Strongest Moment For Romney, Biggest Lie By Obama, Biggest Lie By Crowley – At The Hofstra Halloween Horror Debate

Update II: Candy Crowley of CNN must apologize for her protection of Barack Obama last night. Candy Crowley is a mess that should consider a career as a replacement referee for the NFL. Remember that NFL football game between the Seattle Seahawks and the Green Bay Packers? The replacement referees screwed up so badly it was the tipping point that ended the strike. Crowley is the tipping point but we don’t know for what. We know Big Media won’t reform itself.

Crowley kinda sorta admitted she was wrong last night after the damage was done.

Gallup should apologize too for their selection of the audience (which almost entirely was composed of former Obama voters). Gallup and Crowley also must apologize if indeed one of the most helpful to Obama questioners was a member of CodePink. In either case both Gallup and Crowley failed in getting an audience and questions that reflected true undecided voters without partisan bias.


Update: As promised Mitt Romney’s strongest moment:

HotAir in their wrap up: The second debate:

“Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.”


Obama lied. Crowley protected Barack Obama’s lie with a lie of her own. Candy Crowley lied, or perhaps she was mistaken or heard what she wanted to hear. Obama did not say the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack the day after.

Obama lied and he lied internationally and from talk show to talk show:

Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler has a terrific list of statements made after the Benghazi attack by administration officials and President Obama.  Interestingly, despite the fact that yesterday it was reported that U.S. officials knew as early as September 12 that the attack was orchestrated by al-Qaeda, no official used the term “terrorism” until September 19th, when National Counterterrorism Center director Matthew Olsen said in a congressional testimony, “I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy.” 

The next day at the Univision Town hall, Obama is asked this: “We have reports that the White House said today that the attacks in Libya were a terrorist attack. Do you have information indicating that it was Iran, or al-Qaeda was behind organizing the protests?”

But in his response, Obama suggests it remains unclear whether the attack was an act of terror. “Well, we’re still doing an investigation, and there are going to be different circumstances in different countries,” Obama said. “And so I don’t want to speak to something until we have all the information. What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests.”

And then again, several days after Olsen has told Congress that the attack in Benghazi was a “a terrorist attack,” Obama refuses to call it terrorism when appearing on The View in an episode that aired September 25. In response to this question, “I heard Hillary Clinton say it was an act of terrorism. Is it? What do you say?”, Obama said, “We are still doing an investigation. There is no doubt that the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn’t just a mob action. Now, we don’t have all the information yet so we are still gathering.” Once again, there is no mention of the word “terrorism.” 

Romnney’s best moment of the debate? It was when he listed the litany. Obama’s failures. Failure upon failure upon failure. We’ll put the video up as soon as it becomes available.

It was a true Halloween Horror filled with tension. At times we thought a fistfight would erupt. Or maybe that’s what we wanted.


285 thoughts on “Strongest Moment For Romney, Biggest Lie By Obama, Biggest Lie By Crowley – At The Hofstra Halloween Horror Debate

  1. Obama gave more guns to Mexican drug cartels than he did the consulate staff in Benghazi, so there’s that for next week.

  2. Fank Lundtz (FOX) –Nevada focus group is overwhelming for Romney (many had voted for BO)! They didn’t think BO did well, because he attacked and was mediocre.

  3. Luntz on his focus group: “This is as significant as Denver. This group really swung [in favor of Romney].” Hey, it’s a Vegas focus group.

  4. From the comments I’ve read it seems Mitt was unable to capitalize on Libya attack,
    but overall the debate was fairly even with Obama shouting louder? Should not hurt or help either much?

  5. Attack, attack, attack.. and then a general sentiment about “no acts of terror will blah blah..” COWARD and his cowardice. He did not say it WAS a terror attack much less call it a terror attack by Al Queda. There was a lot about religion gobbledygook and the little Greek introduced the segment talking about the video.

    Defeat these fuckers.

  6. @ trixta

    I think BO’s lie on Libya (and Crawley’s interference for him) will keep the issue alive.

    Indeed it will.

  7. Fuck, I had to listen to that video to verify his blatant lie.. too much Oshit to stomach. Nov 6 can’t come soon enough.

  8. regardless of anything, Romney is still winning hugely on issue of the economy which is what this election will be decided on.

  9. I had CSPAN on my tv, but CNN online to see the meter and what struck me most was the HUGE bounce Romney got when talking about parental responsibility and not having children before marriage, mespecially with WOMEN. Obama tried to parrot those comments next and didn’t get the same uptick on the meter that Romney did.

  10. Pretty stunning that a moderator that openly is basically lying for one of the candidates on stage.
    I knew she was in the tank for Barry, but this is getting beyond corruption. She was basically acting like his press sec. on this Libyan issue, and what’s more, she will be proven false, very easily. And yet she acted like a third debater, with false information, siding with Barry.

  11. Except for LEher, the debate moderators thus far have had the same MO, that is, interrupt R/R so that they don’t get to make their point and tag team for BO campaign.

  12. I listened to the debate on the radio, and I thought Mittens did very well, very specific and focused. Obama was in attack mode, but like Biden, sounded desperate and had little substance to back up his bark. He made a few good points but they sounded like petty jabs. No vision or justification for a second term.

    Romney missed an opportunity to call Obama on the low wages the women on Obama’s staff are paid compared to men, so the media spin will probably be that O scored well with women on the wages issue (Lilly Ledbetter Act iirc).

    I wasn’t surprised Crowley favored Obama by letting him keep speaking, cutting off Romney, etc.

  13. Admin, thank you for putting up this post so quickly to expose what a lie it is and how that bitch Candy played her part. Romney took Obama (and Candy) on, on many occasions but this Benghazi lie probably made him angry — anger got the better of him and I can understand that.

  14. When crowley lies to protect Obama she owes Romney and the American People.

    CNN is worried that they are losing their cash cow Obama, and they do not believe the door will be open to them with the Romney Adminstration. They are having an internal fight and after tonight they are in a pickel. Crowley fucked up bad.

    NBC and ABC are stuck on Obama, and will not change. They will go to the back of the bus in the new Adminstration.

    CBS has made the switch and they will go after Obama. They figure they have nothing to lose.

    FOX is delighted that they drove the Libya story and are reaping the rewards. They need to eviscerate Crowley.

  15. CNN Snap poll: 46% Obama, 39% Romney. — Obama needed to do so so much better. Does nothing to blunt dial and its a CNN poll. CNN said basically draw and Obama could’nt break 50% which is interesting.

  16. Update: As promised Mitt Romney’s strongest moment:

    HotAir in their wrap up: The second debate:

    “Mitt gets another crack at the Libya attack in the next debate, which will focus exclusively on foreign policy. He’ll be very well prepared, rest assured. And since most of the media’s coverage tomorrow will focus on the Libya exchange tonight, that issue will continue to get plenty of coverage for the rest of the week. I can live with that. Exit quotation from Ben Smith: “Romney did, again, come away looking like a guy who could be president, which is probably the most important thing.” Yep.”


  17. They need to prepare a video showing all the times Crowley cut Romney off , gave additional time to Obama, and inserted erroneous facts to protect him.. The title of the video should be Kangaroo Court, or better yet, Pig Stye.

  18. CNN undecided voters in Ohio, Obama only picked up 7 votes and Mitt Romney 5 but in total if they had to choose right now, 18 went for Romney 17 for Obama…so yeah, nothing for either but this is not good for Obama either.

  19. I am listening to the media expert on the phone who is thorougly disgusted with Crowley–says she is unethical and stupid and often in error. We need a video focusing on her behavior with the cnn logo over her head. Respondeat superior–right Jbstonesfan?

    Romney is a job creator/

    Obama is a job destroyer/

    That is the fundamental diffeence>

  20. MoonOnPluto, re the CBS instapoll HotAir has this:

    In the @cbsnews Instant Poll, 65% say Romney won on the issue of the economy. 34% say Obama won on the economy.

    I’d much, much rather have had Romney make a strong impression on the economy than “win” overall with barely more than a one-third plurality. If you think undecideds are going to go into the booth in November and think hard about jobs, then these are the numbers you want to see.

  21. Forget Nightline…one of the “experts” is Brazille who gave Obama an A- grade on this debate.

    I would never have had to study in school using her grading system.

  22. cnn cannot run an honest poll. can’t do it. impossible. garbage in garbage out. aint just holland keating. that should be their imprimatur.

  23. I think it greatly benefits Mitt more if he lays off some of the refute and focuses primarily on the positive aspects of his policies.

  24. Frank Luntz focus group can be viewed here:

    A Frank Luntz focus group made up mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney.

    “Forceful, compassionate, presidential,” one participant said.
    “Confident and realistic,” said another.
    “Presidential,” another told Luntz.
    “Enthusiastic,” another reacted.
    “Our next president,” one man said.
    “Dynamo, winner,” said one more.

  25. CNN poll

    more likely to vote for 25% each
    Stronger leader Romney 49% Obama 46%
    Who did more attacking Obama 49% Romney 35%
    Who answered better Obama 43% Romney 45%

    So the overall internals do not favour Obama but yet they said he won…

  26. Agree wbboei. Well the next debate is literally 8 miles from my home and there will be a lot of excitement here in Boca. I will try to report anything of interest I can find out.

  27. The Obama comment that stands out to me is that “gas prices were so low in 2008 because the economy was on the verge of collapse”.

  28. CNN

    Better to handle Economy R 58% to O 40%

    Healthcare R 49 O 46

    Taxes R 51% O 43%

    Deficit R 58% O 40%

    This is dreadful news for Obama, he lost every internal……….Romney won all areas but lost overall, yeah right.

  29. gonzotx
    October 16th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    The Obama comment that stands out to me is that “gas prices were so low in 2008 because the economy was on the verge of collapse”.

    Agreed gonzo, that was so stupid.

  30. Sorry but those CNN internal numbers spell doom for Obama and i mean doom. The economy questions have murdered Obama.

    I mean look at those, not even close….if this is an economic election, Obama has lost.

  31. moononpluto
    October 16th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    Obama gave more guns to Mexican drug cartels than he did the consulate staff in Benghazi, so there’s that for next week.



    You do have a way with words.


  32. Anyone watching CNN? Sean Hannity just said that Candy Crowley has just admitted she was wrong. If true we’ll hunt down the video.

  33. admin
    October 16th, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    Doesn’t matter, her job was to stop the dialog and not allow Romney to hit the fraud with the truth. How many people stay up to listen to the talking heads, and you know this will be on the back page, if written about at all!

    She did what she was paid to do,PROTECT THE FRAUD AT ALL COSTS.

  34. Acc to CNN, debate watchers say Romney wins on the following internals in each category :

    Economy: R-58% to O-40%
    Taxes: R-51% to O-44%
    Health Care: R-49% to O-46%
    Deficit: R-59% to O-36%

    John King concludes if this is the case and they don’t change their minds by Nov 6, then Romney wins the election.

  35. CNN Debate poll

    Foreign policy O 49 R 47 crap for Obama

    Did Obama have solutions for countries problems Yes 38% No 61%
    Did Romney have solutions for countries problems Yes 49% No 50%

    How the hell can Obama win overall when Romney won every single internal question by a long way.

  36. Greta is going after Candy saying she was wrong. She also read out what we are seeing in that video and said Obama did not call Benghazi terrorism.

  37. I expect that after the debate Andrew Sullivan, Chris Buckley and the rest of the nowhere men are following Obama into the locker room, telling him he is still the champ, getting in the shower with him and massaging him like a hunk of Kobe beef. Sickening.

  38. Crowley says each of the candidates were talking to their base (“it’s a base election)”. She’s wrong!! Romney was talking to independents and undecideds; Obama to his base, thus his attack dog demeanor.

  39. moononpluto
    October 17th, 2012 at 12:05 am

    They love him, it’s like any abusive relationship, they can’t let him go no matter how bad he is for them…makes me sick.

  40. Fox is going to have an absolute field day with Crowley injecting in the debate. So is Breibert.

    Crowley has shrunk her credibility to ZERO and CNN is going to have to scramble again for an audience.

  41. ACE
    Just like the Biden-Ryan debate, this is another one that lefties are going to like a lot more tonight than next week.
    Obama looked like he didn’t know what he was talking about on the federal lands issue as well as digging himself a new hole in Benghazi.
    The preference cascade continues unabated. See the Luntz group.

  42. Let’s try it this way. Candy, the experienced moderator was shilling for teh won. No amount of sorry is going to make anyone who watched this think otherwise.

  43. admin, do an update to this article with Crowley admitting she was wrong on the FRONT PAGE.


  44. VotingHillary, the longer version of the video you posted earlier makes it clear that Crowley wants to have it both ways and has to be more openly confronted on why she did her protect Obama bit.

  45. What candy neglects to say is, “hey, I got paid to make the fraud look good…mission accomplished!”

    She was actually stuttering more than Big bird. Lies do that to you every time.

  46. Regarding the CodePink plant:

    The CodePink Fenton seems to argue that Hillary Clinton is not reliably left wing enough for her tastes.

    More here and here.

    UPDATE: Because probably few people who supported McCain in 2008 are undecided today, Gallup had a problem coming up with unbiased undecideds. Indeed, CNN admitted that almost all of the audience had voted for Obama in 2008.

    There may be a partial solution to this problem: pick a majority of people who supported Bush in 2004. 2004 was a close election, so it shouldn’t have been hard to find undecideds today who voted for Bush in 2004. Next, CNN (or the debate commission) could have picked a Republican-leaning reporter to be a moderator.

  47. The Crowley moment is going to be the most memorable one from this debate — and in a way that bodes ill for Team Obama. Bonus – the Luntz Group comment is going viral on the internet.

  48. Voting Hillary the comment we made to you was not a response to your later comment about an update. Our comments must have crossed paths like two ships in the night. We will update as this situation grows or might just do a full fledged article on Crowley. The video you posted is even more embarrassing for Crowley and we suspect that as the pressure grows she will have to provide a full out apology to Romney.

  49. Romney, much like the Last Starfighter, appears to be equipped with some sort of ‘Death Blossom’ multi-vectored defense mechanism.

    Biased crowd, planted questions, SCOAMF, Crowley the Hutt and the entire Kodan armada came after him…and he held them off.

    When math comes up, he thinks meth…LOL ACE

  50. admin, we are good. Call her out like I know only you can. And thanks for this site. It has been my lone source of sanity..and truth to power.

    Crowley offer a full apology? We can only dream.

  51. Obama needed all the help he can get and he got it. I wonder if Candy quietly slipped in the questions ahead of time.

  52. VotingHillary
    October 17th, 2012 at 12:41 am

    admin, we are good. Call her out like I know only you can. And thanks for this site. It has been my lone source of sanity..and truth to power.

    YES! THANKS for this site and for all the regulars who post day after day!

  53. Update II: Candy Crowley of CNN must apologize for her protection of Barack Obama last night. Candy Crowley is a mess that should consider a career as a replacement referee for the NFL. Remember that NFL football game between the Seattle Seahawks and the Green Bay Packers? The replacement referees screwed up so badly it was the tipping point that ended the strike. Crowley is the tipping point but we don’t know for what. We know Big Media won’t reform itself.

    Crowley kinda sorta admitted she was wrong last night after the damage was done.

    Gallup should apologize too for their selection of the audience (which almost entirely was composed of former Obama voters). Gallup and Crowley also must apologize if indeed one of the most helpful to Obama questioners was a member of CodePink. In either case both Gallup and Crowley failed in getting an audience and questions that reflected true undecided voters without partisan bias.


  54. OMG, the script reads even worse…

    Crowley interrupted Romney during the debate, insisting that President Obama had in fact called the attack an “act of terror.”

    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

    OBAMA: Get the transcript.

    CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

    CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

  55. Hillary supporters have been calling out MSM since 2008, and are accustomed to their efforts – subtle or blatant – to get Barack elected, then reelected. Even though polls indicate that the majority of US citizens do not trust media, I don’t think the average voter is fully aware of the extent of media bias, and thus, not overly concerned about the potential impact on various outcomes, particularly election outcomes. The bias and potential for abuse and circumvention of authentic democratic process by the media exists on both the Left and the Right. We have seen media attempt to impact elections by reporting as fact information gleaned from invalid and unreliable polls. We know that they are guilty omitting relevant information – when it would negatively impact the candidate of choice. We have read and heard media reports containing lies or half-truths.

    Possibly Candy Crowley made a mistake when she defended Barack’s answer about the “terror attack” reference, or, possibly she was deliberately untruthful. Regardless, her response in this matter was inexcusable and intolerable. IMO, at this point, the media pose a greater threat to our democracy than does a threat from outside forces. That may seem a little over the top, but it is a fact that those who control the flow of information, also have control, to a great extent, over the views and beliefs of the consumers of that information. Thankfully, there are sources other than television and radio broadcast news and print media, but not everyone has the ability, inclination, or time to read through countless tweets, blogs, online journals, etc. to ferret out the truth about government, politicians, issues, or anything else relevant to their lives.

    Crowley’s statement tonight, while maybe not that serious in the eyes of some, was indeed, a stark, stunning example of media representatives’ abuse and misuse of the right and freedom granted them by the country many of them appear to despise. Obviously, these freedoms need to be honored and protected. But, when a news outlet entrusted with the responsibility of truthfully informing the public abuses that freedom and the power that accompanies it, there should be a significant penalty. Such a violation dilutes the power of the citizens of this country, and places in the hands of media the power to influence the selection of government leaders, and to affect other important incomes. A country of, by, and for the media is not what the framers intended.

  56. This has a sinister ring to it, disgusting..absolutely no decorum on either of those people.

    “OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?”

  57. Krauthammer thinks Romney asked too many questions of Big Bird, don’t ever ask a question you don’t already know the answer to, so to speak, but Romney did have one good line in that trend of thought.

    Romney to the fraud… “Mr President, that was not a question, it was a fact”..

  58. admin, did you put me in moderation or is it just the luck of the draw? or my French?

    Anyway, I am off to bed. I think Romney had a good debate in the wake of everything else going against him.

  59. I know pm, when I read that, I knew they were in cohorts, he was waiting for the moment. That was not by accident.

  60. free,

    That was no accident on Candy’s part, or mistake. This was a planned sabotage.

    Romney did well in spite of the tage team.

  61. gonzo, people are wondering how she remembered that obscure phrase from a speech two weeks ago.. There was collusion and I think he had the questions ahead of time and she was alerted to this. It was choreographed too smoothly for it to be spontaneous.

  62. It was predictable. There was a drumbeat of how Obama had not called it a terrorist attack. They were prepared for it and I guess they prepared Candy too. Obama tried to cow Romney into silence even before by going on about how dare he talk about this. Romney to his credit did bring up the LV fundraiser the next day.

  63. Reporters applaud Obama’s slam on Romney’s wealth
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    By Stephen Dinan – The Washington TimesOctober 17, 2012, 12:27AM

    Reporters applaud Obama’s slam on Romney’s wealth

    HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — The room set aside for reporters to watch Tuesday night’s debate erupted into applause after President Obama ridiculed the size of Mitt Romney’s personal wealth.

    Mr. Romney was trying to make the point that both his and Mr. Obama’s investment funds probably include investments in China — something the president has attacked Mr. Romney for.

    “Mr. President, have you looked at your pension?” Mr. Romney said.

    “You know, I don’t look at my pension. It’s not as big as yours, so it — it doesn’t take as long,” Mr. Obama retorted. His reply prompted laughter in the debate hall where the two men were squaring off — but across the way in the separate room where the press was stationed, a brief round of applause broke out.

    Mr. Obama has made Mr. Romney’s personal wealth a major issue in the campaign, arguing that he is out of touch with average voters who pay a higher income tax rate even though they earn far less than Mr. Romney, who founded and ran Bain Capital, an investment firm.

  64. (Comment seen on Althouse: definitely there was collusion and prepping as the commenter says)

    On Sunday, September 30th, Candy Crowley interviewed John McCain on the Benghazi scandal. During the interview, she said:

    Friday [Sept 28th], we got the administration’s sort of definitive statement that this now looks as though it was a pre-planned attack by a terrorist group, some of whom were at least sympathetic to Al-Qaeda. Why do you think, and are you bothered, that it has taken them so long to get to this conclusion?

    Those remarks seem to contradict her statement tonight that the President clearly labeled the attack on the Benghazi consulate a terrorist attack in his Rose Garden statement on September 12th.

  65. collusion

    Absolutely. The Affirmative Action clown knew he would be saved and the ugly “journalist” did his biding. What I am surprised at is that anyone besides the Romney camp brought it forth.

    When are the Republicans going to get a clue and demand neutral moderators in neutral sites? I don’t get it.

  66. The time is tomorrow morning, the place is CNN headquarters in Atlanta Georgia, and the office of the boss. He has sent word to his ace reporter and celebrity moderator Candy Crowley to have a chat with her about what happened last night.

    Knock Knock.

    Who’s there?


    Eye Candy (aka Obama)?

    No Candy Crowley, your star reporter, and ace moderator.

    Well come in Candy, and pull up a chair–make that two chairs.

    Oh thank you Boss. I was wondering whether now would be a good time to ask you for a raise.

    I love working here at CNN, but there have been other offers.

    Well, Candy, I glad your raised that question, because before I can make any adustment to your 7 figure salary–north or south, there is a condition precedent.

    Ok boss, don’t make me guess, what is it?

    Why a performance review of course.


    Yes really Candy. And not just really. Indubitably.

    You liked my performance last night, didn’t you? I studied hard for it, and I gave interviews so everyone would know how prepared I was.

    Well, Ms Crowley, the top brass here sat around and observed your performance.

    We looked at it from a business perspective, and whether we would be perceived as fair.

    And frankly Ms Crowley we did not much like what we saw.

    From a business perspective, you need to understand that we have lost considerable market share to FOX.

    We went to some length to get selected to moderate this debate, and we saw it as an opportunty to gain back that market share.

    And the only way for us to do that was for you to select relevant questions, and to run the debate with a sense of due process.

    Whether you realize it or not, we had 60 million people watching you perform, and many of them are unhappy thanks to you.

    Worse, you have left us wide open to attack from our competitor for abusing your position as moderator.

    The first problem we saw was the questions themselves. The questions were peripheral to the problems we face today as a country.

    Moreover, they were selected by you to favor Obama–time and again.

    The second problem we saw was you let Obama have four more minutes of time than you gave Romney. That is unfair. You should have had a bell.

    The third problem we observed was that you would let Obama tell a lie and cut Governor Romnney off when he tried to respond. He was upset.

    The fourth problem was that despite all your preparation you did not have your facts straight/

    You intervened more than once to save Obama and inserted facts known to be false into the record. Even Politico has called you for that.

    In sum, by the way you mishandled this debate you opened us up to criticism and bad press.

    Fifth, if as now seems likely, Governor Romney becomes president, where do you think that will leave CNN in terms of access and influence?

    And more the point, where do you think it will leave you as a reporter–dead weight.

    Now that I have given you your performance review, do you wish to discuss the issue of salary?

    I realize that you have other job options because you are a celebrity.

    But I am not unduly concerned because what we saw last night other potential employers saw as well.

    I thing a 90 day contract would be enough time for you to explore other options.

    Or do you wish to resign immediately?

  67. I”d gladly contribute to a fund to get video of those reporters applauding when Obama zinged Romney about his wealth. That would be some campaign ad.

  68. We are under 3 weeks to the election, 20 days be exact…20 days and judging by the numbers crunched from the debate last night, Obama is finished.

    Obama needed a knockout last night, he did not get it,they tried their best but in instant polls, he did not poll over the 50% mark and the Obama biden ticket has scored in the 3 debate polls so far, 31%, 44% and 46%, an average of 40.3%…..seriously, an incumbent President and he cannot get above 46% in a Debate.

    Of course the overall figures do not matter as much as the internals of that poll which show a devastating lean to Romney on the key issues, the issues people will be more than likely voting on, now and in the 20 days up to Nov 6th.

    Obama was desperately lagging on the question of economic confidence and other issues from the internals of polls last night.

    CNN :

    Better on Economy: R-58% to O-40%
    Taxes: R-51% to O-44%
    Health Care: R-49% to O-46%
    Deficit: R-59% to O-36%
    Who are you more likely to vote for after the debate 25% each
    Stronger leader Romney 49% Obama 46%
    Who did more attacking the other Obama 49% Romney 35%
    Who answered questions better Obama 43% Romney 45%
    Who would handle Foreign policy better O 49 R 47 seriously crap for Obama after the Libya question

    but i think a very serious question internal was this

    Did Obama have solutions for countries problems Yes 38% No 61%
    Did Romney have solutions for countries problems Yes 49% No 50%

    So 61% see Obama as directionless in what he can solve, that is a killer for Obama, along with the economic internals spell doom for Obama.

    CBS also had Obama losing the economic question by 31% last night with Romney at 65% to Obama’s 34%.

    I can tell you right now, as Jon King stated last night, if those numbers bear out and this is a jobs and economy election, Romney will be elected President.

    If the interested debate viewers are right and see Romney as vastly more economically competent leader when they go into that booth to vote, its done, over, Romney will be the 45th President of the United States. If Obama has not won that issue by now 20 days from the election, he never will as the next debate is foreign policy…..he can’t, he can never sell it.

  69. Sure they will try and spin it as a win for Obama but the internal issue numbers are just incredible for Romney. Obama only supposedly won that debate because people thought he did better than last time, I’m 100% sure of that but the real numbers are the inside numbers and the RR ticket will be more than happy to see those, it means their campaign is on the right track.

  70. i think the luntz focus group in NV reflect the real numbers, too.

    btw, anyone pick-up on the kerry “you were for it before you were against it” routine? what an ass. nice try BO, but it fell flat.

  71. Florida returned ballots so far is 391,894

    Of that breakdown is

    Party Reg
    Dem 40.0%
    Rep 44.6%
    None/Oth 15.5%

    This is significant as Reps hold a 4.6% lead on absentee returns in Florida which a D+4 edge.

  72. Ohio looking really good for absentees.

    Wow in 2008 1,351,226 absentees were requested in 2012 it is 991152.

    Dems have requested 445525 in 2008 that has dropped to 291999 in 2012, a drop of 153526 ballots

    GOP have requested 257936 in 2008 that has dropped to 228681 in 2012, a drop of 29255 ballots

    So the difference between Dem and GOP ohio ballot request in 2008 vs 2012 is 63,318 in 2008 the difference was 187589, that like a Dem advantage that is 1/3 of what it was in 2008…Tell me how Obama wins Ohio?

  73. This is where Obama has lost the election.

    Gallup : Obama down in every demographic since 2008.

    Obama’s biggest losses are among college graduates (+2 to -22), southerners (even to -22), Americans aged 30 to 49 (+6 to -10), and, surprisingly Obama is also down among postgraduates (up 30 to up just 14).

    Obama has maintained his support best among mid-westerners (+6 to +4), Americans under 30 (+22 to +18), non-whites (+72 to +68), and those above 65 (-8 to -12).

    look at the details inside.

  74. GM all

    Yep, Crowley openly shilled for her Messiah, basically lied for him. Never seen anything like this. Glad I no longer have CNN on my dish network. What a load of garbage. She became the 3rd moderator.

    And it can all so easily be refuted. What a joke she was. I knew she was liberal, but had some level of fairness, I don’t see her even as a reporter anymore, she clearly cannot separate her bias from actual provable facts. Will CNN apologize? Of course NOT, Crowley and CNN need their WH invites. Will Gallup apologize? Of course NOT, might get another lawsuit from Holder.


  75. People need to start pointing this out…..Likeability does not get the job done, if we wanted a President we all liked, hell Honey Boo boo would be President, The President is not their to be liked, he’s there to do a job not get accolades for being a nice person.

  76. This is the point and the media are not calling him out on this……..

    Halperin on Obama: “He didn’t lay out a second term agenda any more than he did in the first debate.” Its MIA.

    There Mitt, there’s a good ad….Obama’s 2nd term agenda is MIA.

  77. Halperin on Obama: “He didn’t lay out a second term agenda any more than he did in the first debate.”

    I have been making comments to this effect. What is Obama’s plan for his second term? We have heard nothing. Romney, call him out on it, hit him hard.

  78. Ha, win my ass for Obama….Romney more than held his own and Obama on a series of issues. but this line sticks out, must be gutted over at PPP.

    A poll of 438 debate-watching Colorado independents by Public Policy Polling reported that 37 percent said they will be more likely to vote for Obama after the debate, versus 36 percent for Romney. Forty percent of the Colorado watchers said their opinion of Obama improved during the debate, while 44 percent said their opinion of Romney rose.

    Read more:

  79. Crowley was after Romney when she asked if after he was elected and his numbers did not work would he then raise taxes. Imagine what we would be hearing now if he had wavered and showed a peep of daylight? And Crowley would be the toast of the town.

    I read an article about likeability and it made a lot of sense to me. Someone at Stanford wrote a editorial on the black coach, he started out by saying the coach is a great guy and then let fly with eviscerating criticism. The initial author felt that the editorialist at Stanford didn’t like the coach at all and for sure didn’t think he was a great guy – just said that because the coach is black. Then he went further and said he thinks that what he observed in that editorial explains the mystery of Obama’s likeability numbers. And you know, that rings true to me.

    Not a day goes by that I don’t pray that Romney is who he says he is.

  80. Some Dem emails on debate: “Obama was fine but every single word was a line from a campaign speech. I still have no idea what he’s going to do”

    This seems to be a huge consensus from last night, no one still has no idea what Obama’s 2nd term would be like.

  81. I think MO broke the rule and the hangers on around her cheered and clapped like they got the permission or something. Disgusting.

  82. moononpluto, thanks for that video. I had a worse impression in my head of Romney’s reaction to that (our camera angle was not good either) but in this video we see him get across his full thoughts.

  83. Obama is right about one thing: 2012 presents a clear choice.

    But that choice is determined not by the mawkish morality play he has spent a quarter billion dollars producing and trying to impress into the minds of the American People, namely a choice between a middle aged plutocrat who lies, hides his wealth, throws people out of work, deprives them of their health insurance and has no concern for the middle class, vs. a earnest black man and Nobel Prize winner who is an inspiration to the world, who appeals to the better angels of our better angels, loves America and is striving to clean up the mess left behind by Bush.

    Rather, the choice is dictated by the cold hard realities of a failing economy, inextinguishable debt, foreign policy meltdown, and government overreach. Unlike 2008, today the electoral choice is between a candidate with solutions to these existential problems, and a track record of success vs a candidate with no solutions, and a track record of failure. It is a bitter thing to see that nearly half the country has so little grasp of leadership that it is still bamboozed by Messiah Obama. If their life decisions reflect the same flight from reality, then they will be totally dysfunctional.

    in a failing economy it is hardly the choice he has spent , which is a choice between a fictional Simon Legree Romney

  84. Info, Obama running out of time…

    More than 464k Floridians have now voted as of this morning but another 11.5 million are still eligible to vote too.

  85. Video: Luntz focus group unloads on Obama after debate

    In my estimation, last night’s debate was a draw. Both men did what they needed to do for the debate.

    Well, the focus groups did not see it as a draw–except perhaps those selected by CNN. But the CNN exception must be seen in the proper context of an organization that is so biased that it selects a partisan grappler who has betrayed her bias prior to the debate, and then acts upon it during same, an organization which as I pointed our earlier totally misstates Hillary’s commments and sets off a false narrative across the nation about taking responsiblity for Bengazi, an organization that has been running pro Obama polls for years under the auspicies of Holland Keating, and an organization that hired trained marketing specialists to come up with pejorative words to use against Hillary and fed them to their pundits to bring her down-words like divisive, polarizing, unlikeable, etc.

    And when you say both men did what they had to do, that is a tired bromide which is making the rounds of all the media organizations now, and covers for a lack of insight and objectivity. If that is the end of it, then the phrase is singularly uninformative. If it is the windup that precedes the pitch it is equally uninformative and distracting. It tells us nothing.

    And, by the way, I am getting real sick of that line from these know nothing pundits when they cannot think of anything else to say, i.e. both men did what they needed to do.

  86. moononpluto
    October 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
    Rasmussen : National Daily Tracking: #Romney: 49%, #Obama: 48%
    Is half the nation brain dead? Or will the Senate hearings today and tomorrow move the numbers?

  87. Ras’s swing state poll is bunk i’ve realised, its useless, the small sample is useless actually, no point doing a combined swing poll thing, each state is not uniform.

  88. Hillary took responsibility for Bengazi–so said the cnn reporter.

    But the transcript of her comments proves the opposite.

    Hillary said the following:

    1. I take responsiblity for the people at our embassies around the world.


    3. Reporter asks are you responsible for Bengazi? Yes (based on point 1)


    Given the partisan history of CNN, it is perfectly clear that this was not a mistake, but an intentional lie. Which is unfortunate because . . .

    “A lie can travel half way around the world (thanks to CNN) while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”—Mark Twain (1835)

  89. Obama Scores Points, but Romney Remains Solid
    12:21 AM, OCT 17, 2012 • BY JAY COST
    Some quick thoughts on the debate:

    a.) Obama was aggressive on debating/rebutting/getting points in. It was a big improvement over last time. In particular, Obama had a lot more facts at his fingertips this time around.

    b.) Romney was not as aggressive as Obama, but was by no means passive. I do not think he came in with a strategy to attack Obama intensely, but Obama came in with a strategy to attack Romney.

    c.) Romney prosecuted the case against Obama’s record very effectively and got things back to jobs again and again and again. That was extremely effective. He also came across as empathetic with the audience questioners. All of this was good for Romney insofar as it addresses weakness in his numbers.

    d.) I did not hear much of a vision from Obama. I heard little talk about jobs from him, and he totally botched two questions from people on why they should vote for him when they are now so bummed.

    e.) I was impressed with how Romney turned around some obvious left-tilted questions to his advantage. Equal pay for equal work — an obvious tee-up for Obama, but Romney did very well with it. He also nailed the question of why he is different from George W. Bush.

    f.) All in all, Obama spent more time attacking Romney than Romney did Obama. Romney spent more time laying out his own resume, plan, and vision.

    g.) Wild card: The contentious section of the debate on Libya. Candy Crowley corrected Romney that Obama didn’t call it a terrorist attack at the Rose Garden speech day of attack. She’s wrong. This looks like it will play moving forward. Nevertheless, Romney has to sharpen his attack on Libya for the next debate.

    h.) I thought Romney came across as consistently pleasant, much like in the last debate. Obama vacillated — sometimes prickly, other times warm and charming. He played up some good (faux) outrage against Romney on Libya. I am not sure it worked; he seemed resentful to have been accused. There is a fine line between presidential and imperious, and I am not sure he walked it perfectly.

    If I were scoring on pure points, I’d say Obama won narrowly. However Obama looked more prickly than Romney, and Romney was much more focused on pushing his actual campaign message. I think he succeeded there.

    Final thought: These debates provide mostly an upside for Romney, and mostly a downside for Obama — insofar as Romney has an opportunity to look like a credible alternative to the president of the United States by standing on stage with him as an equal. This is why I am uninterested in who wins on points. Once again, Romney looked like a credible alternative to Obama, even if the latter may have landed more technical blows. Romney was especially effective at seeming empathetic, personally qualified, and focused on getting the economy going.

    Jay Cost is a staff writer for THE WEEKLY STANDARD and the author of Spoiled Rotten: How the Politics of Patronage Corrupted the Once Noble Democratic Party and Now Threatens the American Republic, available now wherever books are sold.

  90. Jay is right in one respect. The question is not who won the debate. The question is what did the target audience learn from what was said, and will that cause them to vote for one candidate or the other–in other words will it move them. Obama’s performance last night, specifically his failure to lay out a clear rationale for reelecting him, fell short of the mark, in a paralyzed economy. Generic assurances belied by econometics are unconvincing. Romney on the other hand presented elements of a turn around plan to save the country. That was the take-away many undecideds gleaned from what happened last night, i.e. with Obama there is more of the same, whereas with Romney, there’s hope. Can we afford to stay the course. After so many excuses, scapegoats and broken promises, how can we continue to believe anything Obama says. He can say anything, but alas, he never ever delivers, except for his bundlers.

  91. I sent my vignette @ 1:49 am above to CNN with the title: “What To Do With Roly Poly Candy Crowley”. I will let you know if I receive any response.

  92. The Manhattan Transfer – Candy
    By Mack David, Joan Whitney & Alex Kramer
    I call my sugar Candy
    Because I’m sweet on Candy
    and Candy’s sweet on me

    She understands me
    My understanding Candy
    And Candy’s always handy
    When I need sympathy….

  93. When they prepare Romney for the next debate I wish they would train him to edit his answers almost to almost being an abstract. If he needed to stand and think for a whole minute of the two minutes he is given to respond that would be fine as long as his answer is honed to perfection and if he is finished in less then two minutes stop talking. Never mind trying to fill the whole two minutes with any thing he can think of. Just give a finely tuned, focused response to the question before they can cut him off. He can just leave them standing there trying to get their chin off the floor.

  94. At Best a Fleeting Tie for Obama. The Reality is a Cancer on His Campaign
    By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | October 17th, 2012 at 12:31 AM | 125

    I think Mitt Romney won the debate, but not by much. He flubbed a few good opportunities to really score decisive blows on the President, but definitely drew more blood. The CNN polling and CBS News polling confirm it. While more thought Barack Obama won the debate, largely because his last performance was so bad, clear majorities outside the margin of error thought Mitt Romney would be best on the economy, jobs, the deficit, etc. That suggests Romney did win, but people viewed Obama’s debate performance as an improvement over the first one. In fact, while other areas of the debate may overshadow this point, Romney deftly dispatched Obama on his economic record. That is the one issue that matters. It got so bad, Obama had to trot out Planned Parenthood and Big Bird.

    Additionally, if you ever wondered who could be undecided at this point in the election, well now you know. Fear for the Republic. Why the debate commission thought it a good idea to go to Long Island, NY to hear from undecided voters in an area not considered a swing state is really beyond me.

    Before I go anywhere else, one part of the debate is absolutely going to get overshadowed and I actually think it was one of the most critical exchanges. It showed just how out of touch Barack Obama is. It also explains why voters who thought Obama might have won the debate overwhelming thought Mitt Romney would do better on jobs and the economy.

    The President tried to claim that the reason gas prices were so low in 2008 was because the economy was so bad. He actually wanted the audience to believe that the economy is going gangbusters now as a reason for $4.00 gasoline — a delusion the undecided voters clearly did not buy. His words — he said that gas prices were so low because of the economy, which clearly means he thinks it is so high now because of the recovery. What recovery? Romney hit him hard on this and the undecided voters reacted favorably to Romney. There is more room for Romney to hit Obama on the airwaves over gas prices.

    This was an amazing and stunning show of total detachment from the reality of the American economic situation. I was stunned he said that.

    Beyond that issue, even if we were charitable and declared the debate a tie, this debate spawned a cancer for Barack Obama that is going to do far more post-debate damage than some first imagined as the debate drew to a close. In fact, many pundits left the debate willing to call it a win for Obama if only because he did better than last time. It was as predictable as the sun coming up. But the Libya exchange, in which Mitt Romney did himself no favors, is a cancer for Team Obama to deal with.

    Candy Crowley should not have tried to referee the Libya answer as she moderated. Herding the cats was a difficult enough task. Interjecting on the Libya story made her part of the story in a way she should not have become. But for all the people heaping aspersions on her (full disclosure: I am a political contributor for CNN and have long thought the world of Candy Crowley even before I had a relationship with CNN), they should be thanking her. It was her interjection to clarify what was and was not said that muddied the water on what the President actually said.

    The media, which has tried to move past the story as quickly as possible, is now going to have to go back and revisit what actually happened. As last night dragged on in the post debate analysis, the initial cursory “he did call it an act of terror” fact checking turned into “actually, he didn’t and it took him forever to do so” fact checking. It was not pretty. And it was a hell of a thing for Obama to accuse Romney of politicizing a cover up, then hide behind the rhetoric of greeting coffins as they returned home.

    Within an hour of the debate being over, Candy Crowley herself acknowledged on CNN that “Mitt Romney was right in the main.” CNN and other networks then proceeded to point out all the times Obama Administration officials kept denying terrorism was responsible for what happened. The fact checkers had to explain just how wrong the President was and just how misleading he tried to be last night. This will continue in the lead up to the foreign policy debate.

    Here’s a more important point: Barack Obama put himself solidly in the center as the man of responsibility. He actually refused to answer the undecided voter’s question about security for the Ambassador and, in dodging, put himself in conflict with the State Department. The magnitude of the lies, half-truths, and redirects continues to add up to a significant malignancy. And we have one more debate, solely on foreign policy, to go.

    The muddied waters and detailed fact checking will hurt Barack Obama over the long haul. A tie, at best, in last night’s debate will slowly drain away — a fleeting moment in the fury of analysis over what did and did not happen regarding Benghazi.

    There was another striking moment in the debate that should not be overshadowed by the Libyan issue.

    An undecided voter who voted for Obama in 2008, asked Barack Obama why he should vote for Barack Obama now. Stunningly, Obama offered no new plans, no new proposals, and no new ideas. The voter clearly said he wasn’t impressed with the past four years, but that’s all Obama had to offer. Then Romney countered. It was a magical moment of fact telling, just hitting the low notes of Barack Obama’s record. Obama clearly wanted to respond, but he could not. There was no time.

    One last point — Obama seemed very angry last night throughout the debate. “Stern,” one friend called his expressions. Several times, on the stage, Mitt Romney commanded and the President followed. Romney led the President and I think it showed to undecided voters. Romney, at one point, commanded the President shut up and sit down and the President did so like a dog told to sit. It was masterful.

    Romney, like Ryan, showed weakness on foreign policy. That sets him up for an awkward third debate. But if, unlike last night, Romney doesn’t back down on Libya, we could be in for a command performance. Democrats who hoped for a Reagan 1984 comeback may have liked what they saw, but this debate changed nothing at best. At worse, it creates a cancer for the Obama campaign they’ll have a hard time treating.

  95. Obama is up by 3 in Rasmussen swing state poll. Crazy.
    I thought just yesterday Romney was up? The debate had that quick an impact?

  96. You don’t have to wonder who sent Rice out to lie about the video lie? She has ony one boss. He was the one who did this.

    The military strike Obama plans on the weekend to spike the football at the debate Monday night will not move the needle in his direction. The timing will be seen as wag the dog. Prior to this he claimed no knowledge.

    The question will be what lengths will this man go to to be re elected? How many people will he kill. If that is not an abuse of power, what is?

    This is an opportunity to go before the American People and say, I got Obama and now I got them.

    Will it work? Or will people say we are sick of Obama and his theatrics.

  97. I missed the debate last night because I fell asleep after I turned the radio on 1/2 hour before the debate was to start. So much for planning ahead of time! Anyway, I am listening to Glenn Beck this morning (which is not normal), and he had the following statistic about the debate last night. The moderatorbot Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times while interrupting her boss Obama only 9 times! She also, through her antics, allowed Obama 10% more time to speak while telling Romney that “we are watching the time” and I’ll let you address this issue later, but then never gave Mitt the opportunity to do so.

    I wonder why a candidate doesn’t point out in the middle of the debate when the moderator is not moderating fairly? Would it make the candidate look weak? Or, would it make the candidate look wise?

  98. jbstonesfan
    October 17th, 2012 at 11:18 am
    Obama is up by 3 in Rasmussen swing state poll. Crazy.
    I thought just yesterday Romney was up? The debate had that quick an impact?
    rassmussen said this morning that he would not have any figure until Friday/

  99. Another bit of bad news for Obama. Crime statistics, like everything else under Obama, are going in the wrong direction.


    Violent Crime On the Rise for First Time in 5 Years, FBI Reports
    Published June 12, 2006Associated Press

    Murders, robberies and aggravated assaults in the United States increased last year, spurring an overall rise in violent crime for the first time since 2001, according to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    Murders rose 4.8 percent, meaning there were more than 16,900 victims in 2005. That would be the most since 1998 and the largest percentage increase in 15 years.

    Murders jumped from 272 to 334 in Houston, a 23 percent spike; from 330 to 377 in Philadelphia, a 14 percent rise; and from 131 to 144 in Las Vegas, a 10 percent increase.

    Despite the national numbers, Detroit, Los Angeles and New York were among several large cities that saw the number of murders drop.

    The overall increase in violent crime was modest, 2.5 percent, which equates to more than 1.4 million crimes. Nevertheless, that was the largest percentage increase since 1991.

    Criminal justice experts said the statistics reflect U.S. complacency in fighting crime, a product of dramatic declines in the 1990s and the abandonment of effective programs that emphasized prevention, putting more police officers on the street and controlling the spread of guns.

    “We see that budgets for policing are being slashed and the federal government has gotten out of that business,” said James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University in Boston. “Funding for prevention at the federal level and many localities are down and the (National Rifle Association) has renewed strength.”

    Still, Fox said, “We’re still far better off than we were during the double-digit crime inflation we saw in the 1970s.”

    Robberies were up 4.5 percent and aggravated assaults 1.9 percent, according to preliminary data. Alone among violent crime categories, the number of rapes fell 1.9 percent.

    Violent crimes peaked at 1.9 million in 1992 and fell steadily through the end of that decade. The number has been relatively stable for the past six years.

    Crime last year increased in all regions, although the 5.7 percent rise in the Midwest was at least three times any other region’s.

  100. It looks more and more like Obama will launch an attack against the supposed perpetrators of the Bengazi attack before the next debate. The most likely date for this as Saturday, so he has Sunday to address the nation, and on Monday, this issue will superceed his prior failures as well as the Congressional hearings today and tomorrow. Also, it will allow him once again to spike the football. I am told that right now, he is coodinating this attack with CNN reporters, who have the world wide network to cover this and proclaim its success, whether or not it is successful. This is why Crowley handled the Libyan matter the way she did.

    Question 1: what impact will this have on the election. My sense is it is a game changer for the reasons discussed. I seriously doubt that the American People have the intelligence to be able to figure this out. Big Media will pan it, and the cautious Romney campaign will pull its punches for fear of seeming unpatriotic. Will it win the election for Obama? It is not unlikely, unless Romney pre-empts the issue up front—before the attack.

    Question 2: what can be done to pre-empt the political impact of this wag the dog scenario? One thing Romney supporters should be doing, immediately if not sooner, is to start a pool on when Obama will attack Libya to save his skin? The legalities of running a pool of this nature are easily addressed. Second, when it does happen, Romney should say something like anyone can launch drones, and I do hope we got the right man, but we have only Obama’s word for it. It would have been far better to have taken him alive, so we could have elicted vital intelligence information from him. And, by the way, why is it that we had to do this now, before the investigation of the incident is complete. This could kill the wrong people and inflame the middle east, etc.

  101. Rise In Simple Assaults Drives U.S. Crime Rate Up
    October 17, 2012 09:00:00 am

    The nation’s estimated rate of both violent and property crime shot up last year after several years of decline, the Justice Department’s National Crime Victimization Survey said today.

    The survey unexpectedly reported a 17 percent increase in the violent crime rate and an 11 percent rise in the property crime rate in 2011 compared with 2010. The rate of violent crime victimization rate had dropped or remained steady since at least 1993.

    The surge in violent crime was not across the board, however.

    The survey showed that it was entirely due to an increase in assaults, particularly simple assaults in which there was no bodily harm or weapon used. The estimated rates of the bellwether crime of robbery and also sexual assault remained the same from one year to the next.

    The crime victimization survey differs from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report because the survey is based on interviews with a representative sample of U.S. households on whether their members 12 or older were victimized in the previous year. Nearly 80,000 households and more than 143,000 individuals were interviewed.

    The FBI’s report is a compilation of reports submitted voluntarily by law enforcement agencies.

    In terms of estimated crime-incident totals rather than rates per 1,000 population, there were about 5.8 million violent victimizations last year around the nation compared with about 4.9 million in 2010, the survey found.

    This is still far below the 7.4 million reported for 2002. In contrast, the FBI compilation for 2010 showed about 1.25 million violent crimes, far below that registered in the victimization survey because it included only offenses reported to police.

    Because the victimization survey estimates national totals based on its sample, its numbers are much higher than crimes reported to police. The new survey said that only 49 percent of violent crimes and 37 percent of property crimes were reported to law enforcement.

    ‘Reason for Concern’

    Richard Rosenfeld, a criminologist at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and former president of the American Society of Criminology, called the new report “a reason for some concern,” but he cautioned against jumping to a conclusion, based on one year’s estimate, that the longstanding decline in U.S. crime rates has ended.

    The increase in property crime was driven partly by a rise in estimated household burglaries, which the survey said rose 14 percent.

    The Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, which manages the survey, said that one reason last year’s crime rate increase seems so large is that crime had gone down so far in the last two decades.

    “The low rates make the percentage change large, but crime remains at historically low levels,” the bureau said.

    Among other findings in the survey:

    * Domestic violence victimizations increased slightly last year.

    * Most of the increase in violent victimizations were reported by whites, Hispanics, young people, and men. The rates for black non-Hispanics was stable.

    * Residents of urban areas had the highest rates of total violent victimization, 27.4 per 1,000 population, while residents of suburban areas reported an increase from 16.8  incidents per 1,000 in 2011 to 20.2 per 1,000 in 2010.

    There’s much more detailed info at a link in the article here…

  102. Earthquake : Romney within 6 in NJ…….

    BOGOTA, NJ – President Barack Obama holds a 48.4-41.4 percent lead over Governor Mitt Romney in New Jersey, according to a Neighborhood Research survey of 783 screened likely voters completed between Wednesday and Sunday nights for Americans for Prosperity New Jersey.

    Among definite voters, the President’s lead over Governor Romney narrows to 47.9-42.1, or just 5.8%.

    The survey data showed that among all respondents, the President has his strongest numbers with those under 35 (67-21) while he leads by just 45-43 among those over 50. President Obama is up by 50-39 with women and ties with men at 46-46.

    President Obama holds a solid 61-27 lead in New Jersey’s six Democratic-held Congressional Districts, but they have just 39 percent of the voters. He loses by 39-52 to Governor Romney in the six Republican-held Congressional Districts.

    Liberals support the President by 86-6 and moderates by 53-33 while conservatives back Romney by 82-11 and very conservative voters by 86-11. Registered Democrats support Obama by 72-16 while Registered Republicans support Romney by 74-16. Undeclared voters support Obama by a narrow 46-44 margin.

    read on.

  103. At some point, a big lead becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. People like to back winners. We’re not there yet, but…

  104. There’s no way in Hell anyone can convince me that either Barry was alerted to the questions we would have to answer, or Candy as a true, blue Obot felt it was her duty to correct any Barry errors that she could. These are the things she allowed and has put a huge black mark on the few women moderators:

    1- Covering Barry’s lie that he didn’t claim the attack was set off by a youtube video. She then dismissed the event of the mob and said ‘act of terror’ was all he needed to say to be right. She then doesn’t really apologize but says Romeny used the ‘wrong word’.

    2- When ever Barry was ending the debate of a question, he tossed in a lie about Romeny and Candy worked with Barry to make sure Romney could not correct Barry’s lie.

    3- Never enough time for Romney to refute, but Barry ended up with 9% more time to speak and defend himself.

    Both Candy and BO need to be fired.

  105. One more thing I forgot to add to the list of mothering Candy did for her BarryCakes, (my list is in the spam filter), is:

    When they talked about Hillary accepting responsibility for the attack, Barry danced about the issue of his taking any blame, and Candy said, “The buck stops with you Mr. President, right?”

  106. Politics

    Liberals on Twitter celebrate debate with threats to murder Mitt Romney

    ELECTION 2012OCTOBER 17, 2012B

    Liberals on Twitter threaten to murder Mitt Romney as second Presidential debate gets underway

    election 2012liberal hatetwitterdeath threatDebate

    Liberals on Twitter issued more threats to murder Mitt Romney as soon as the debate between him and Barack Obama began Tuesday, Twitchy reported early Wednesday morning.

    “If Romney win this election, he might as well wear a shirt that says ‘Assassinate Me Bi**h’ (sic),” one person wrote.

    “Romney make me wanna hop through the tv & just assasinate his ass (sic),” wrote another.

    “I will turn that in to the Secret Service. That is a threat right?” responded “Cynthia Cox.”

    “I’m gonna murder Romney right now (sic),” threatened another person. As of this writing, the tweet was not available.

    Twitchy posted 29 tweets from grammatically-challenged liberals threatening to murder Romney.

    Several of the tweets had been removed, mostly after other Twitter users said they would report the offender to the authorities for violating federal law.

    “At this point in time I am completely prepared to MURDER ROMNEY MYSELF,” threatened “Jasmine.”

    “Then I am completely prepared to contact the authorities and report that you are threatening to kill someone,” responded “MLS.”

    “So your logic is: Don’t agree with someone = murder them. Makes sense,” wrote “James Hodge.”

    “Enjoy being on the FBI watch list,” he added.

    Throughout the campaign, liberals on Twitter have made numerous threats to murder Romney, despite federal law that says offenders can face five years in prison for threatening presidential candidates.

    The messages also violate Twitter’s rules, but the social media site has been extremely lax in policing liberals who call for conservatives to suffer physical harm.

  107. Threats to Assassinate Romney Explode After Debate

    Obama supporters voice desire to kill Romney over fears food stamps will be taken away

    Despite numerous media outlets attempting to downplay the issue, Twitter exploded last night following the debate with new threats from Obama supporters to assassinate Mitt Romney if he defeats Obama in the presidential race.

    As we reported yesterday, in addition to threats by Obama supporters to riot if Romney wins, innumerable Twitter users are also making direct death threats against Romney.

    The primary reason given for Obama supporters wanting to see Romney dead is the fear that he will take away food stamps.

  108. Hahaha look at what Nate Silver is suddenly spouting, tells me all i need to know.

    Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight
    “All polling data is massaged A LOT in an era when only 10% of people respond to surveys. So that also introduces a lot of noise.”

  109. When Morris and Rove watched the debate, they said Romney won. Yet, when I watch the pundits score the debate, they say it was either a tie, or Obama won slightly. What is the difference? The difference is Morris and Rove have ran major campaigns, and have been successful at it. Therefore, they tend to focus on the strategic question of how the respective performance play out in the contex of their respective campaigns and the electorate as a whole. By contrast most of the pundits see the debate on its own merits, rather than as part of an overall process. Consequently, they tend to score it as a debate coach would do. And finally pundits are paritisans, and not infrequently wannabe politician who have’t got the gutts to throw their hat in the ring. Consequently, there is a subjective quality to their analysis which prevents them from seeing the whole truth. For those reasons, which the initial polling confirmed, I would trust Morris and Rove more than any of these pundits, even over Krauthammer whose intellectual critiques are in fact, very good. Appropos of that, here is the Morris video which is in follow-up to his live tweets which I posted last night:

  110. pm317
    October 17th, 2012 at 1:32 am
    “gonzo, people are wondering how she remembered that obscure phrase from a speech two weeks ago.. There was collusion and I think he had the questions ahead of time and she was alerted to this. It was choreographed too smoothly for it to be spontaneous.”

    Yes, it looks like this moment was well coordinated ahead of the debate. Indeed, how did Obama know Crowley had the transcript of his Rose Garden comments during the debate? Obama distinctly asked her to refer to the transcript? She then proceeded to pick up a paper before her, saying the Pres had in fact said it was an act of terror. Moreover, -if this moment was coordinated then whose to say that Crowley didn’t also give the BO campaign the questions before the debate?

    Still, Romney (except for Benghazi moment) held his own and appeared to connect well with his questioners–even with the smirking OBot who asked him to differentiate himself from GWB. Romeny should have added to his comments that just as he is NOT GWB, BO is NOT Clinton.

  111. pm317
    October 17th, 2012 at 1:32 am
    “gonzo, people are wondering how she remembered that obscure phrase from a speech two weeks ago.. There was collusion and I think he had the questions ahead of time and she was alerted to this. It was choreographed too smoothly for it to be spontaneous.”

    Yes, it looks like this moment was well coordinated ahead of the debate. Indeed, how did Obama know Crowley had the transcript of his Rose Garden comments during the debate? Obama distinctly asked her to refer to the transcript? She then proceeded to pick up a paper before her, saying the Pres had in fact said it was an act of terror. Moreover, -if this moment was coordinated then whose to say that Crowley didn’t also give the BO campaign the questions before the debate?

    Still, Romney (except for Benghazi moment) held his own and appeared to connect well with his questioners–even with the smirking OBot who asked him to differentiate himself from GWB. Romeny should have added to his comments that just as he is NOT GWB, BO is NOT Clinton.

  112. Good with the bad from the Insider:

    WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: Second Debate: Obama Won – But Romney Didn’t Lose (UPDATED)

    by Ulsterman

    A brief update from a longtime D.C. political operative shows calm in the storm that is the final weeks of a presidential campaign – and regarding last night’s most recent debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, the sentiment appears to be NO WORRIES.

    Ok, I got no time to give right now but you made it more than clear you want to hear what I have to say on the debate. So here goes.

    Obama won. Just deal with it and move on. I’d call it a toss up until the moderator stopped the governor’s momentum on Benghazi. You already did something on that yourself. That was about as blatant a moment of media bias smack in the middle of a debate that I can recall. Then she has the nerve to go on her network right after the debate and say “oops, Romney was actually right”!!!!!

    Whatever. That’s how it happened and there isn’t anything anyone can do to change that. I’ll put it to you this way. Obama won last night but Romney didn’t lose. That isn’t me trying to doctor up what happened. It’s fact. People saw what Crowley did. Her own network was uncomfortable with it. My guess is that for the first debate the word to the moderator was to help Obama. This time it was to save Obama. That’s what she did. We expected they would try and help. We were caught maybe just a bit off guard on how aggressive she was in being so open about saving him. The questions she chose. That group of so called “undecideds”???? Nope. It was about 80% pro-Obama all the way.
    Read more in News
    « Debate Moderator Crowley Admits Romney Right On Obama’s False Reference To Benghazi Terrorism

    Again, I’ll say whatever. So what. Now I know you are angry at how it went down like that. How Benghazi got shoved into the background. Hell, did you see how Crowley totally buried any discussion of Fast and Furious? Can’t help but laugh at how obvious it all was.

    But here is some very good news. At least regarding the spine of these Romney people. After the debate, there isn’t complaining. There isn’t finger pointing. There isn’t whining. They just pick up where they left off. Upward and onward. So we got shoved around a bit by a bullshit debate scenario. Lots of people watching that debate could see how it was manipulated against the governor. Romney handled it about as well as he could. Might have missed a few opportunities here and there, but overall, he did just fine. And the campaign wasn’t rattled. Not one bit. That shows class. That shows strength. That shows a team really in its stride as we head to the finish line.

    And as far as Benghazi. Obama had his little canned moment speech of outrage. But we got the tapes. We got the evidence. He gets a short term reprieve. We get the much more important longer term news cycle. The guy lied. He’ll be caught. There will be some of his base who won’t give a sh-t. But the rest? Those voters will care. Any undecideds left? We win them. All of them. As for “Obama’s base”? Sh-t. That base of his has been shrinking big time for months. Fire those people up all they want. Big f-cking deal. That’s only about 35% of the electorate. They can have them. This election cycle, there just isn’t enough of them to win this thing and the Obama team knows it. They are totally in the f-cking weeds right now.

    The media is gonna try and spin the “comeback kid” scenario for Obama the next few . Fine. We don’t care. They were going to do that regardless what the actual outcome of this debate was. Let them high five themselves all they want. By the weekend a different tune is coming. Of course, there are lots of whispers of plans to alter this outcome. Hit Romney up with a scandal, maybe Obama bombs the f-ck out of Libya just for sh-ts and giggles.

    Anything is possible. But this Romney team is tough. I really like how they are running this campaign. That doesn’t mean anyone can afford to sit back and hope it happens. Everybody needs to keep the pressure on. That’s you. That’s everyone you know. Talk to people about what is really going on. Don’t let the media hijack this thing. They are trying. But if enough people stay connected and educated, the media don’t have a chance. I’m just starting to really appreciate the power of this new media thing you call it. Forget the Crowleys of the world. She is dinosaur just like me. We are all on the way out.

    President Romney. Just keep saying it. Sounds good doesn’t it?

    Sounds like the right thing at the right time.


  113. Romney up 6 in GALLUP!!!! 51-45. Even beating Obama among registered 48-46%. Can you say landslide?

    Today or yesterday before debate?

  114. moononpluto
    October 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    Hahaha look at what Nate Silver is suddenly spouting, tells me all i need to know.

    Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight
    “All polling data is massaged A LOT in an era when only 10% of people respond to surveys. So that also introduces a lot of noise.”

    And add to that, of the 10% who do respoind, Obama supporters tend to be more wanting of “you should know my viewpoint”. Whereas older / more conservative voters might be more of the “why do you want to know my opinion”, or “get off my porch”.

  115. From WHI.

    More on this weekend’s wag0the-dog event.

    Have a heads up for you. This comes directly from the Old Man. Military intelligence may have tracked location of a guy called “Khattalah” who apparently organized the Benghazi attack. Check media reports for name. Obama to order drone strikes or possible all out bombing operation. Says it appears imminent. Obama will then make claim “perpetrators brought to justice” to squash Benghazi questions and play part of hero. “Bin Laden Version 2 “ If accurate, this scenario would fit with the earlier rescue operation scenario you had sent me earlier. That went to sh-t so now they are recalibrating the same general idea with an updated version of it.

    I have not heard anything resembling something this specific. Doing double time trying to confirm. Nobody in Romney camp aware of this. Or if they are, not tipping their hand.

    This has me worried. Old Man attempting to get in front of it be he’s got his hands full with other critical Europe related issues. Says he has source in Libya but has been unable to locate. ????? Tone of his message suggests more worried than me. And I’m pretty panicked about this.

  116. I certainly understand Insider’s concern here – this kind of scenario, if successful, would likely diminish much if not all the current questions surrounding the administration regarding the Benghazi Massacre – at least until after the election. Therefore, it would all but halt the entire build up to make Barack Obama accountable for not only the tragedy in Libya, but the subsequent attempted cover-up form his administration that followed. In the meantime, Obama would be allowed to play the part of Commander in Chief, once again having “made the call” and brought America’s enemies to justice – this time just before Election Day.

    Those around Barack Obama would once again have successfully created a political victory out of deception.

  117. Any strike still doesn’t answer the question people still have though. WHY did they not have the embassy secured on 9/11.

    People still ask, what about my job? What about gas prices, food prices, electricity prices? Who is the next coal mine being shut down.

    Sure he can bomb the fcuk out of Libya but I think he’s too far over the cliff right now. Romney has shown America he has what it takes to be President. Romney doesn’t need padded up in the debates and cottoned to (oh, is that racist?)

    I feel it building everywhere I go, people are sick of Obama and his weak ass posturing and vacationing. People really hate to wake up, they hate to admit they were wrong, but I actually feel good today.

    We knew the media was gonna be blow jobbing Bambi today and so did the Romney camp.

    Mitt Romney is more man than Bambi can ever attempt to be.

  118. Obama has pension envy.. 😆 😆
    Romney — “Mr President, have you looked at your pension lately?”

    obama — “No I dont look at it very often. Yours is a lot bigger.”

  119. jbstonesfan
    October 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    Romney up 6 in GALLUP!!!! 51-45. Even beating Obama among registered 48-46%. Can you say landslide?

    Today or yesterday before debate?

    I believe that’s a 7 day rolling average, so polling following last night’s debate, if any, would have 1/7 weight on everything amassed prior to it.

  120. Good with the bad from the Insider:

    WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: Second Debate: Obama Won – But Romney Didn’t Lose (UPDATED)

    by Ulsterman

    Ridiculous, he actually makes the case for Romney as the winner.

  121. Would be funny if not soo sad! From Legainsurrection site. Wish I could embed.

    They are the 45 percent

    Posted by William A. Jacobson Wednesday, October 17, 2012 at 1:14pm
    Gallup’s Daily Tracking Poll today shows Romney leading among likely voters 51-45% and 48%-46% among registered voters.

    I wonder whether the people in this video are part of the 51% or the 45%.

    I’m guessing the 45%.

  122. Impartial Moderators and Undecided Voters in the Land of Unicorns

    Posted by Joel Engel

    Wednesday, October 17, 2012 at 11:30am
    Heading into last night’s debate, I didn’t believe Candy Crowley would be an honest broker or that the room would be filled with “undecided” voters. Both doubts were proved true at the same moment.

    Of all the statements that Crowley decided to fact check, why that particular one about what Obama said or didn’t say about terrorism the day after Benghazi? Why not, for example, his statements about gas and oil leases? Or his claim of five million jobs created? Why the “terror” claim?

    For five weeks now, the story about what really happened on September 11 in Libya has leaked out in dribs and drabs, strongly suggesting a cover-up of scandalous proportions somewhere in the administration’s pipeline.

    No one with the least familiarity fails to remember that in the earliest days, right up through Obama’s speech to the United Nations, a “filmmaker” in the U.S. was being blamed for inciting the violence. And no one who doesn’t remember that should rightfully have reason to recollect the anodyne comments Obama made on September 12 in the Rose Garden right before jetting off to Vegas.

    So why did Crowley recall seeing or hearing the word “terror” in the generic phrase “acts of terror”?

    The obvious conclusion—and, for me, the only logical one—is that she was tipped off ahead of time to Obama’s argument, which he had prepared, when the issue came up. (But bad on Romney for not having a devastating two minutes rehearsed ahead of time. It was a sickening loss of opportunity.) Without paying particular attention to the context, she inserted herself into the debate to say, yes, the president did say it was an act of terror.

    As for the people in the room, if they were truly undecided, why did they applaud when she “corrected” Romney?

    That revealing moment instantly put the lie to the whole premise of the debate, both in terms of the “impartial” moderator and the “undecided” participants. Crowley and the majority of the audience were Obama partisans.

    Why Romney and the Republican political leadership believed either premise enough to go along with this format and this moderator can best be explained by two words: stupid party.

  123. I found this comment at LegalInsurresction. Disturbing that Hillary would do this.I will try to find an actual advertisement

    SGLawrence | October 17, 2012 at 10:41 am
    Anticipating this very issue when she saw David Axelrod and others already trying to repair the obvious damage done to the “video narrative” by Dear Leader, Alana Goodman of Commentary wrote an entire article about it more than two weeks before the debate, on September 30.

    I’d only add one thing to Alana’s analysis here. If you read the entire speech he delivered on September 12 before flying off to Las Vegas, long before his generalized and very UNcommitted use of the phrase “acts of terror” in the context of 9/11/01 (not the attack of 9/11/12), Obama FIRST made it a priority in his speech to highlight the theme of his Cairo Embassy’s Apologia to the Muslim World: We must not provoke the Muslim world by making statements that would “denigrate” their “religious feelings.” This was, of course, the theme of taxpayer-funded advertisements he and Hillary appeared in in Pakistan long after the Rose Garden speech and this was of course the theme of his UN speech in which he warned that “The Future Must Not Belong to Those Who Slander the Prophet of Islam.”

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  124. This is the only video I found with Hillary
    The Anti-Anti-Islam Film TV Ad By US in Pakistan Repudiating Film
    The ads apologize for the anti-Islam film.

    From FOX News:
    Marked by the U.S. Embassy seal, advertisements condemning an anti-Islam video appeared on Pakistani television on Thursday in an apparent attempt to undercut anger against the United States, where the film was produced. Hundreds of youths, however, clashed with security officials as they tried in vain to reach the embassy in Islamabad amid anger in many countries over the film’s vulgar depiction of the Prophet Muhammad.

    The advertisements appear to be an effort by the U.S. government to dampen chaos surrounding the film and undo some of the damage to America’s image in the Muslim world. Violence linked to the movie has left at least 30 people in seven countries dead, including the American ambassador to Libya. Two people have died in protests in Pakistan.

    The television ads in Pakistan feature clips of President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton during press appearances in Washington in which they condemned the video. Their words were subtitled in Urdu.

    “We absolutely reject its content and message,” said Clinton in the advertisement.

    A caption on the ad reads: “Paid Content.”

    The advertisements end with the seal of the American Embassy in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. It was not known how many channels were airing the ads or whether they were being run in other Muslim countries or just Pakistan.

    More, from the Associated Press:
    The American embassy in Islamabad, in a bid to tamp down public rage over the anti-Islam film produced in the U.S., is spending $70,000 to air an ad on Pakistani television that features President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton denouncing the video.

    The State Department said Thursday the embassy had compiled brief clips of Obama and Clinton rejecting the contents of the movie and extolling American tolerance for all religions into a 30-second public service announcement that is running on seven Pakistani networks. Obama and Clinton’s comments, which are from previous public events in Washington, are in English but subtitled in Urdu, the main Pakistani language

  125. READ – Obama campaign giving up on Florida, NC and Virginia…..shifting focus and resources.

    Obama’s New Firewall: Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada
    By Jim Geraghty
    October 17, 2012 5:05 P.M. Comments0
    Major Garrett, writing in National Journal:

    What also became clear after the dust began to settle from the rumble on Long Island was the electoral map has narrowed and Obama’s team, while conceding nothing publicly, is circling the wagons around Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada. Plouffe said that Obama remains strong in all four states, but he would not discuss the specifics of internal polling or voter-contact analytics, saying only that Obama has “significant leads” in all four places.

    It is uncharacteristic of Team Obama to concede any terrain, but Plouffe offered no such assurances about Obama’s position in North Carolina, Virginia, or Florida. Romney advisers have seen big gains in all three states and now consider wins likely, although not guaranteed, in all three. They are similarly upbeat about prospects in Colorado but not confident enough to predict victory. That Plouffe left Colorado off his list of states where Obama’s leading and can withstand a Romney surge might be telling.

    Chalk one up for Suffolk University Political Research Center’s David Paleologos, which said they would stop polling North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida last week.

    Fascinatingly, the description of Plouffe puts New Hampshire in the “firewall” pile, when the last three polls have Romney up by 4 (ARG) a tie (suffolk) and Obama head by 1 (Rasmussen).

  126. I have a sneaking suspicion that Bambi will indeed start some kind of bombing this weekend, then on Monday night they’ll “cancel” the debate appearance. He doesn’t want to debate anymore, I can tell it. They’ll do anything to quell the rise of Romney.

  127. Dot, Obama starting a bombing of Libya would just finish him off, it would also kick off a middle east battle like never seen. This would play like a lump of burning crap on a preachers doorstep.

  128. gonzotx
    October 17th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    October 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    How did you do it?


    click url it will take you to youtube .
    vlick share options long link.
    click link it will turn blue drag it to the right click on it again it turns blue right click copy take it where you want to post it right click paste. 🙂

  129. I have tried that Foxy, hasn’t worked, must be my computer

    on another note, did you all notice candy also refusing to let Mitt talk about Fast and Furious? She had her notes alright. I just wish we had an email or video that could prove her being bought and sold.

  130. Shadowfax
    October 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Good with the bad from the Insider:

    WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: Second Debate: Obama Won – But Romney Didn’t Lose (UPDATED)

    by Ulsterman
    In other words, the big media side show–vile, corrupt and debased as it is, will not take over the circus this time around. Why not? Because the wolf is at the door and their boy Obama has no plan to deal with it–only smoke and mirrors, and after 4 years most people realize that. Meanwhile, Romney has positioned himself as a man with a plan to fix the problem. Put differently, it is the failure to fix our problems in the first four years, plus the lack of a plan to fix them in the next four years, that dooms Obama. I am not certain that the bombing of Libya changes that. If he does so, and I am betting he will, then very attempt by the media to portray him as the hero will be greeted with derisive sneers and accusations of wag the dog. And that will be hard for him to deny. Day by day, he plays to a smaller and smaller audience and one day the only people who will pay attention to him will be the media people who no one listens too anymore, because they have breeched the trust the public once had in them. Crowley’s hamhanded tactics will merely further their demise.

  131. Seriously?? They are using the “binders of women” as a talking & attack point? This is what they’ve come to?

  132. You Won’t Believe Who Romney’s Related To
    ANCESTRY.COM | 10/16/2012
    How many Commanders-in-Chief can you get in one family tree? When it’s former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney’s family tree, the answer is six.

    According to, the world’s largest online family history resource, Romney’s family tree connects him to Franklin D. Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Franklin Pierce, Herbert Hoover, and both George H.W. and George W. Bush.

    Romney is connected to Presidents George W. Bush (10th cousins, twice removed), George H. W. Bush (10th cousins, once removed) and Franklin D. Roosevelt (8th cousins, twice removed) through Ann Marbury Hutchinson, a key figure in the development of religious freedom in America and early settler of Rhode Island and New York.

    Romney is related to Presidents Calvin Coolidge (10th cousins), Herbert Hoover (10thcousins) and Franklin Pierce (6th cousins, 4 times removed) through Thomas Richardson, a landowner in the late 1500s in Hertfordshire, England.

    Romney isn’t the first presidential candidate with burnished political roots. “We find in these politicians’ family trees links to the foundations of the country—early settlers seeking freedom and opportunities, Revolutionary War patriots, and even American legends,” said Anastasia Harman, Lead Family Historian for, of the discovery. “Time and again American politicians have family ties to our country’s founders and past leaders.”

  133. September was a big month for Romney as well. The only difference between Romney’s fund raising and O’Turds, is Romney’s funds are legal and verifiable, and O’Turds are illegal, unverifiable and a large percentage of them come form overseas, and in one case from a bundler named Roach who lives in China, is closely tied to the commmunist goverment, and serves as a gatekeeper of global contributions though his own site which is a pass through to the Obama site, which fails to require the security code which the Romney site does to ensure the contributions are in fact legal, and traceable to their source. It has been estimated that as much as 40% of the $180 million Obama raised in September was from foreign interests seeking to manipulate our govermnent to their own ends, which are inimical to those of the American People. Obama is a traitor. His second term agenda, which he refuses to disclose, save to say to Medved to tell Vladimir (Putin) in a whisper heard on tape the he would be more flexible after he wins the 2012 election. Keep your fingers crossed that O’Turd does not wag the dog this weekend.


    by MIKE FLYNN 15 Oct 2012 74 POST A COMMENT

    Obama grabbed lots of headlines earlier this month when the campaign announced that, combined with the DNC, it had raised a staggering $181 million in September. It almost matched their fundraising haul from July and August combined. Questions immediately arose about whether Romney could come close to matching Obama’s impressive tally. The answer came this afternoon.
    The Romney campaign announced Monday that it, along with the RNC, had raised $170 million in September. It’s short of Obama but more than enough to stay competitive.
    Even more, the Romney campaign’s online donation page requires a card verification value (CVV) number, unlike the Obama campaign. The Obama website’s lax online security has led to suspicions of illegal foreign donations, leading some to question the legitimacy of the campaign’s near-record fundraising in the face of lagging Democratic enthusiasm.
    Some details from the Romney campaign:
    Over $170.48 Million Raised In September
    93.1% Of All Donations Received In September Were $250 Or Less
    $43.15 Million Raised By Donations Under $250 In September
    1,011,773 Donations Received Under $250 In September
    Approximately $191.23 Million Cash On Hand
    Contributions Received From All 50 States And Washington, D.C.
    At this time four years ago, McCain was scaling back ad buys and exiting critical states completely. Romney, however, is entering the final stretch of the campaign with considerable resources to equal or surpass Obama on the airwaves. With rising numbers in the polls and a campaign that is gathering considerable momentum, Romney is well positioned for the final three weeks.
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  134. I heard from someone that Crowley sent the Obama campaign the debate questions in advance so he could prepare.

    We also know that the undecideds she put in the audience were under cover Obama supporters.

    That is what we are dealing with.

    It was entirely a staged event.

    I heard the same thing from someone else–she fed him the questions.

  135. He goes from not knowing what was going on in Bengazi, to denying it was a terrorist attack, to blaming the video, to apologizing for the video, and on Saturday launching a military strike against the alleged perpetrator—is the antithesis of strategy. It is political opportunism, and wilful blindness. Such a strike would not produce the game change he is looking for, but he is desperate enough to try.

  136. In addition, Obama created a mob which did not exist—-it was just a group of people who went in to kill the ambassador. This lying to the public by Obama is obscene. And so it Candy Crowley. The ambassador was having dinner with the Turkish ambassador on the evening of 911 in the most dangerous place in the middle east. Why? What is wrong with this picture????

  137. If people actually saw the torture and sodomizing of that Ambassador on that video there would be a landslide for Romney.

  138. The takeaway from the second debate is that big media manipulated the process to override the will of the American People, and save Obama. The American People do not like this kind of crap. And they punish the people who do this sort of thing.

  139. FYI…

    Tries to Blunt Romney Criticism Over Candy

    CNN’s Managing Editor sent an email around the office today, praising Candy Crowley and trying to blunt criticism that she was unfair to Mitt Romney.

    The email — sent by Mark Whitaker and obtained by TMZ — is almost a series of talking points to address Candy’s critics.

    Here’s the full email:

    “Let’s start with a big round of applause for Candy Crowley for a superb job under the most difficult circumstances imaginable. She and her team had to select and sequence questions in a matter of hours, and then she had to deal with the tricky format, the nervous questioners, the aggressive debaters, all while shutting out the pre-debate attempts to spin and intimidate her. She pulled it off masterfully.

    The reviews on Candy’s performance have been overwhelmingly positive but Romney supporters are going after her on two points, no doubt because their man did not have as good a night as he had in Denver. On the legitimacy of Candy fact-checking Romney on Obama’s Rose Garden statement, it should be stressed that she was just stating a point of fact: Obama did talk about an act (or acts) of terror, no matter what you think he meant by that at the time. On why Obama got more time to speak, it should be noted that Candy and her commission producers tried to keep it even but that Obama went on longer largely because he speaks more slowly. We’re going to do a word count to see whether, as in Denver, Romney actually got more words in even if he talked for a shorter period of time.”

    TMZ broke the story … some honchos at CNN want the criticism to go away, even though it’s shining a light on one of their most high-profile personalities — and you just can’t buy this type of publicity.


    just as predicted, now in all three debates, the dims have been given more time and challenged less and with less interruptions

    there seems to be a plan to either blunt Mitt’s opportunity to respond to any attacks or follow up…OR simply continue to interrupt him so the moderators and O can try to throw him off and stop him from completing his message…or sentence!

  140. Let’s hope that the American people punish BO by giving him a good spanking on election day.
    He more than deserves it. Candy Crowley could use some punishment along with the biased media. I HOPE they get their punishment some day soon.

    If Romney is elected there are a bunch of so called journalist he should just freeze out.

  141. Jeez JBStonefan, Romney drawing even (Obama 49% Romney 48%) in Wisconsin is excellent news! Here’s where the race there stood just a week ago:

    “Last week, a CBS/New York Times/Quinnipiac poll of Wisconsin likely voters showed Obama was ahead of Romney, 50% to 47%. And a separate Marquette poll conducted late last month indicated the president was up by 11 points in Wisconsin.”

    It’s now listed as a toss up state. I am in Minnesota and we were Obama central four years ago–this year there are very few Obama signs anywhere. Then there is this poll from the St. Paul Pioneer Press yesterday Obama 47% Romney 43%. The four point spread is within the margin of error. A few weeks ago Obama was ahead by 8-10 pts.

  142. jbstonesfan
    October 17th, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    OMG, WI has been in the fraud camp from the get go, this is big Jones, so stop the negativity. We have enough to deal with with fraudulent moderators, media, and obots!

  143. We are visiting in the very western part of Arkansas and have seen ZERO signs for BO. We saw three in yards today for Romney. We saw very few if any BO or Romney signs coming down from Missouri and we thought we would see some on cars on the interstate but there were almost none.


  144. On why Obama got more time to speak, it should be noted that Candy and her commission producers tried to keep it even but that Obama went on longer largely because he speaks more slowly. We’re going to do a word count to see whether, as in Denver, Romney actually got more words in even if he talked for a shorter period of time.”

    A freaking WORD count? He gets more time cause he talks slower. They are so full of shit!

  145. Well, while the media spins the glory of Obama, let’s see what’s happening in Okinawa, Japan.

    Oh, crap. Video at the link. This ain’t good because this isn’t the first time.

    Okinawa’s governor has reportedly lodged a strong protest with the US ambassador to Japan over an alleged sexual assault of a woman by 2 US servicemen in his prefecture.

    Governor Hirokazu Nakaima met Ambassador John Roos at the US Embassy in Tokyo on Wednesday.

    Okinawa’s prefectural government said that during the private meeting, Nakaima told Roos that the incident is unforgivable.

    The government said Nakaima expressed grave concern that the matter could irreparably damage trust between Okinawa and the US military there.

    He reportedly urged Roos to cooperate fully with police investigating the incident and step up discipline among US servicemen stationed in Okinawa.

    The Okinawa government says Roos told the governor that the US takes the incident seriously and is extremely concerned.

    The government quoted Roos as saying he will contact top US military officials and cooperate fully with Japanese police.

    Roos also reportedly said he’s considering enforcing discipline among US soldiers and taking other measures to prevent a recurrence.

    Further article:

    A women’s group in Okinawa has demanded a curfew for US soldiers there. They are protesting the recent sexual assault of a woman by 2 US servicemen in the prefecture.

    12 senior members of the group, Okinawa Women Act against Military Violence, held a news conference at the prefectural government hall on Wednesday.

    The co-leader of the group, Suzuyo Takazato, told reporters that the US military in Okinawa had expressed its intention to enforce discipline among its servicemen after a similar incident occurred in the prefectural capital Naha in August.

    She said the group doesn’t understand why another incident occurred immediately after new US Osprey transport aircraft was deployed in Okinawa despite strong protests from local residents.

    The leader said her group plans to send a petition to Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda and US President Barack Obama.

  146. I seems as though the whole Crowley defence of Obama was planned. Obama was way to confident when he told Romney to “continue” and Crowley was way to prepared with her lie. And when Crowley went on to fake a consolation to Romney she said exactley the opposite of what happened. It went something like- (But you are also correct that it did in fac take 14 days for the strory of the video to come out.) That is the opposit of what actually happened.
    I how Romney educates voters on the history of The Muslim Brotherhood. Not since Adoph Hitler has a Western leader been so inamored with this group. Reference -Haj Amin Al-Husseini- Nazi Muslim Middle East.

    Also another seemingly planned Crowley defence of Obama- When Romney spoke about Fast and Gurious -Obamas gun running scheme, Obama looked to Cowley and said “Candy” she then quickly moved the debate on to the next question.

  147. S
    October 17th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Tries to Blunt Romney Criticism Over Candy

    … On why Obama got more time to speak, it should be noted that Candy and her commission producers tried to keep it even but that Obama went on longer largely because he speaks more slowly. We’re going to do a word count to see whether, as in Denver, Romney actually got more words in even if he talked for a shorter period of time.”

    Is it just me or does this seem to illustrate that Romney can do more with less and that Obama spends his time as poorly as he does our money, knowing that he can always beg for more; and yet when it’s given to him he squanders that as well.

    As for her comments regarding Romney being right “in the main”. That’s double speak for her being mainly wrong. The best part is how she tried to blame Romney for his poor choice of words. It’s the quintessential non-apology … even worse than someone saying “I’m sorry you feel that way” rather than saying “I’m sorry I did that horrible thing that made you feel this way”.

    On a lighter note, it was satisfying to see her squirm in the brief video clip with Anderson Cooper. I’d love for O’Reilly’s body language expert to decipher that for us.

  148. S
    October 17th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
    Assuming Whitaker is not a complete loon, he knows Crowley fucked up big time. If he saw what the world saw, then he knows her partisanship was blatant. This conclusion is not based on conjector or partisan opinion. It is based on empirical facts.

    The think to remember about these media outlets is that in the last analysis they are businesses. CNN is no exception. If this controversy drags on, Whitaker has another memo in is file and another after that, which will be less supportive of Crowley.

    There business model is to support Obama and to treat him as their cash cow. That requires defending him and attacking his adversaries. But this must be done more subtely than Crowley did it. She came across as hyper partisan, and that ruins their most precious asset, goodwill.

    Regardless of what they say in her defense, Crowley has wrecked her career and not because of her partisanship but because it was so blatant that nobody could miss it. If you are going to produce a successful production, it must be believable and this one was not. There will come a point where the firestorm of criticism will subside, but the stain on Crowley and CNN will remain.

    A friend of mine who has been in the media tonight characterized what CNN did here as a big gamble. She went on to say that the market is changing, and in ways they never anticipated. The bloom is off the Obama rose, Romney is rising, and their response has been like that of Ford and GM when Japanese cars were first introduced into the market: ignore it and it will go away. This response puts them at a competitive disadvantage when Romnney wins.

    When and if that happens, CNN will fire reporters like Crowley who became part of the Obama campaign. Then, they will make a deal with Romney to bring on new reporters in their stead and place who will adopt a more congenial tone. Since Romney is a fair man, he will not demand the last pound of flesh from them.

    With respect to the Monday debate, it is reasonable to assume that Scheiffer will not repeat the mistakes by Crowley and Raddish–in particular, the blatant partisanship, the constant interruption, and the assertion of false facts. Also, he is likely to manage the time clock more adroitly than his corrupt predecessors. By then we will know whether the rumored air strike happened. Finally, although he is a liberal, I suspect he will press Obama for answers.

    This is a great opportunity for CBS to get ahead of the power curve and carve out a separate market niche separate from the rest of big media which is based on objective reporting as opposed to distortion and lies. Also, unlike NBC and NYT see so little problem in the middle east that they do not bother to report on it unless they can spin it for Obama. By contrast, CBS has a reporter who was brutally raped in the middle east, and is therefore inclined to buy the Obama line that he has al Qaeda on the run–which is, of course, the campaign team narrative apart from that unfortunate . . . mishap, in Bengazi.

  149. I just can’t believe that Carville said things like this. What could have gotten into him? Did Mary give him a dose of truth serum?

    In the interview Carville said:

    “Ideologies aren’t all that important. What’s important is psychology.
    The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have to do is lay out enough silage and they come running.
    That’s why I became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
    Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have a clue as to political reality.

    Read the rest at the link.

  150. Are job creators, those who pull the wagon, pull the train, are the engine for the train, just pulling a “John Gault” and just refusing to create jobs, and no longer participating in the US economy? Yes, I absolutely believe so, and if OTurd is re-elected, I predict you will see more of it. After all, what the motivation of creating more wealth if Barry and the dem minions just want to berate and sneer at you for working hard, being smarter, and then wanting to “spread that wealth” around.

    Productive, entrepreneurial people will just retreat, pull a “John Gault”, apparently as OTurd and his dem minions believe they did and don’t build any businesses etc anyways, fine, let OTurd, Reid, Pelosi, the govt do it, lets see how long that train will keep moving forward.

  151. In the next debate, Romney should make one simple point before he goes on.. just raise the question, has Obama told you what he would do in his second term to make things better? Has he given any plans, vision..He has spent a lot of money attacking me and my plans but what is he going to do to help you and the economy? That should put Obama on guard about just criticizing Romney for the rest of the debate.

  152. Obama minions are ready to obfuscate on Libya.. they were ready on Tuesday and with that idiot Candy’s help, they got even more lucky. Romney should have a set of questions/facts that are unknown to larger audience and indefensible. Don’t go for the predictable.

    Here is Allahpundits post on the guy who asked the Libya question in Tuesday’s debate. Apparently Obama told him later privately after the debate that naming names in the State dept about who denied security will harm them. See, that is their defense. And Hillary gave them the out.

    Romney should ask: this is Libya we are talking about and you are going to blame some unnamed low level bureaucrat for security lapse? What did you know and when did you know it? Obama has burnished his thug/bully image in the second debate even in his own mind. He thinks he has got his mojo back and the media whores are right behind him licking his ass. Romney has to be doubly smart for this third debate.

    President Obama, though, wasn’t done with Kerry Ladka. “After the debate, the president came over to me and spent about two minutes with me privately,” says the 61-year-old Ladka, who works at Global Telecom Supply in Mineola, N.Y. According to Ladka, Obama gave him ”more information about why he delayed calling the attack a terorist attack.” For background, Obama did apparently lump Benghazi into a reference to “acts of terror” in a Sept. 12 Rose Garden address. However, he spent about two weeks holding off on using the full “terrorist” designation. The rationale for the delay, Obama explained to Ladka, was to make sure that the “intelligence he was acting on was real intelligence and not disinformation,” recalls Ladka.

    As to Ladka’s question about who turned down the Benghazi security requests and why, Obama reportedly told him that “releasing the individual names of anyone in the State Department would really put them at risk,” Ladka says.

  153. In what Obama told that guy Ladka, Obama is admitting that he didn’t call it terrorist attack in the Rose garden.

    “However, he spent about two weeks holding off on using the full “terrorist” designation. The rationale for the delay, Obama explained to Ladka, was to make sure that the “intelligence he was acting on was real intelligence and not disinformation,” recalls Ladka.”

  154. CLEVELAND, Oct 17 (Reuters) – U.S. President Barack Obama plans to usher in what he hopes will be a second four-year term in the White House at an election-night rally at a huge convention center near downtown Chicago, campaign and city officials said on Wednesday.

    The event will likely draw thousands of supporters to the McCormick Place convention center in Chicago, Obama’s hometown and the site of his re-election campaign headquarters.

    Supporters are expected to watch the voting results come in and then hear a speech by the incumbent Democrat who faces Republican Mitt Romney, a former Massachusetts governor and private equity executive, in the Nov. 6 general election.

    Some 240,000 revelers flooded Chicago’s 319-acre (129-hectare) Grant Park in the city’s central business district on the night Obama beat John McCain in 2008 to become the first black U.S. president.

    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, a former White House aide who has helped raise cash for a pro-Obama “super” political action committee, will attend the rally, said spokeswoman Sarah Hamilton.

    “We are excited and honored to once again host President Obama on election night,” Hamilton said. “Chicago is more than capable of safely hosting this historic event in November.”

    McCormick Place, which was the principal site of a NATO conference in May, is the largest exhibition and meeting facility in North America, according to its website. It has roughly 2.6 million square feet (240,000 square metres) of exhibit space and assembly seating for 18,000 people.

    An Obama campaign official declined to comment on the reason why the smaller-capacity convention center was chosen as the venue for this year’s rally over Grant Park.

    The official, who asked not to be identified, said plans for the rally were still being worked out and declined to say how many people the campaign expects to attend.

  155. An Obama campaign official declined to comment on the reason why the smaller-capacity convention center was chosen as the venue for this year’s rally over Grant Park.

    The big bash at Bank of America stadium was canceled during the convention. What are the odds that they will move this to the Drake hotel? 🙂

  156. admin
    October 18th, 2012 at 8:39 am

    We want to open a concession [snark] stand selling tissues at McCormick Place on election night. 🙂

    All tissues stamped, “Regards HI44…we were right”

  157. Rasmussen : #Nevada Senate: #Heller (R) 50%, #Berkley (D) 43%… Heller pulling away after being tied for a long time.

  158. Interesting…..A major change to Univ. of Va’s Ctr. for Politics (WWR’s partner) electoral count: For first time, Pres. no longer has 270 safe/likely votes

  159. Rasmussen daily: Romney goes to +2, 49-47. Romney leads indys by 9%. Poll is 1/3 post debate.

    Romney getting the debate boost, not Obama, was only +1 yesterday.

  160. Foxy @ 9:26 what a hoot, but serious cause. Hope it brings SOS lots of donations.
    Since Obama had the last word at Tuesday’s townhall, I’d like to document a horrendous obfuscation he threw in literally at the last opportunity.
    For the final question “What is the biggest misperception the American people have about you?”
    Mitt spoke first, and eloquently, ending with his “We don’t have to settle…” assurance.

    Obama ended with the biggest lie ever. Here is a paraphrase of Sleezy Preezy: When Romney said behind closed doors that 47% regarded themselves as victims and people who refused to accept personal responsibility, let’s think about who he meant. [He meant] people on social security, veterans, students, soldiers overseas, people working hard every day.
    Video of both men for this debate segment:

  161. The number of FL votes already cast in the general election is up to nearly 537,000 and Republicans are now 5% ahead in returns than Dems.

  162. What is going on with Rasmussen’s swing state poll…Obama up 3 yesterday, now Romney up 1

    In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 49% of the vote to President Obama’s 48%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate in the race, and two percent (2%) are undecided.

    Romney’s edging back ahead highlights the continuing closeness of this race. Just yesterday Obama reached the 50% mark again in the combined swing states. His support ranged from 50% to 51% for the first five days of this month, but those numbers faded and Romney bounced ahead following the president’s sub par performance in the first debate. Because this survey is conducted on a rolling seven-day basis, nearly all of the responses in the latest survey come from before the second presidential debate Tuesday night. Sunday’s update will be the first in which the majority of the responses follow the most recent debate.

  163. Has anyone done a wage analysis of Romney’s staff to see if the women are paid equial to the men? We already know that O’s staff fails in this respect, and has not been corrected, even after having been pointed out. Would make a good ad if Romney is being fair to women on his staff.

  164. The Jobless stat people are now saying a weekly average changes too much, and that a monthly average is better.

  165. AP reports Romney camp thinking of moving resources out of North Carolina & into Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania. They are that confident.

  166. Romney totally has to move resources into MI/PA/WI. Especially MI: Since rumors abound about how things just went sour for Dems there.

  167. The woman needs stripped of her journalistic license.

    Soledad O’Brien thinks Obama is up 15 pts in VA (he isn’t) and that the election is “20 some-odd days away (it’s 19).

  168. MATT DRUDGE ‏

    Here she comes. Hearing Gloria Allred out there again, about to make a move. After all, it’s her time of the campaign. Team O at the ready!!


    The old parasite is due her appearance, wish she’d hurry up and drop off a cliff.

  169. GonzoTx, spam filter really hates you lately. Sorry. PM317 is even more mistreated. We’re trying to find out why because we don’t enjoy fishing comments out of the spam filter but thus far we can’t figure out why spam filter is being so spiteful.

  170. just to give you a clue whats going on in the states right now…..

    In Tennessee, early voting is up 10% from 2008 so far. It’s up 31% in counties McCain won, down 30% in Obama’s. http://

    North Carolina : Total Votes: 50,674

    Dem: 13,887 – 27.4%

    Rep: 27,455 – 54.2%

    Unaffiliated: 9,255 – 18.3%

    Libertarian: 77 – 0.2%

    Compare that with 2008:

    Dem: 51.4%

    Rep: 30.2%

    Other: 18.5%

    …………………….now you see why Obama has not set foot in NC since the convention.

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