When Firewalls Burn: #NVDemsCaucus And South Carolina GOP Primary

Update: Ted Cruz has a South Carolina firewall:

What if the firewall crumbles?

That’s the worry of a growing number of people close to Ted Cruz’s campaign, who are privately beginning to fear that a big loss in South Carolina to Donald Trump on Saturday could signal more defeats to come in the so-called SEC states that are the lynchpin of Cruz’s strategy.

“If they’re pretty far back from Trump and they can’t get southern conservative evangelicals in South Carolina, I do think they’re probably going to have a hard time elsewhere,” said Erick Erickson, a conservative writer in touch with Cruz’s team. “I sense a real fear from people that if Trump blows everybody out of the water in South Carolina, that he is suddenly unstoppable.

South Carolina is not a Trump “firewall” because Trump has a diverse coalition. A Trump loss in South Carolina would be a big blow never-the-less. It would be a weakness and a sign of a long slog to come. Granted, by all logic Donald Trump should lose South Carolina. Trump has been, in one short week, attacked by the Pope, by Big Media and the entire political establishment – then responded with a lethal attack on some of the delusions about George W. Bush the Republican establishment holds most dear.

But South Carolina is a Cruz “firewall” not a Trump must win. If Trump beats Cruz in South Carolina, we believe Cruz will have to get out of the race even though we also believe foolish Cruz will decide to stick with his loser campaign. Of course, Cruz could win. Cruz once thought he would would win South Carolina:

Cruz’s team once envisioned South Carolina as a rubber match between Trump, the New Hampshire victor, and Cruz, the Iowa winner. Now, it’s being read as an omen of what’s to come in 10 days’ time when Southern states vote on Super Tuesday.

Cruz once called the God-fearing, gun-toting SEC states that vote then on March 1 his “firewall,” but polls show Trump leading in South Carolina, and a dominant performance Saturday would show that Cruz has not been able to sufficiently consolidate the evangelical base that he needs to win down the road in places like Tennessee and Georgia.

Cruz could win if evangelicals come out in massive numbers and vote in massive numbers for Cruz. Still, that would make Cruz a niche candidate and the states to come won’t have that high a proportion of evangelicals voting.

Just as Hillary Clinton required at least a ten point win in Nevada to douse the louse Bernie Sanders, Trump could use a big win because that would put the nail in the Cruz coffin:

Several people close to the campaign concede that losing South Carolina by double digits would spell serious trouble for Super Tuesday. If it’s a tighter loss, some say, it would validate the theory that Trump was susceptible to their attacks and encourage more. [snip]

“But if Trump gets 38 or 40 — and Cruz is second with 22 or something like that — it’s going to be very ominous,” the fundraiser added. [snip]

It is hard to overstate the importance of March 1 to Cruz’s self-professed path to victory — he has made the date, which will award more delegates than any other day in the Republican calendar, the cornerstone of his strategy.

Allies tell CNN Cruz is hoping to win 60% of the delegates there.

The next state to vote in the GOP nomination race is Nevada. Trump has a large lead there already. Cruz has a lot of firewalls that might go up in a Glenn Beck blaze:

Assuming Cruz does hold off Rubio, though, the key will be how large the margin of loss is to Trump, who also holds a large lead in Nevada.

If Trump wins and we’re second, the SEC primary becomes a 50/50 scenario,” said one Cruz insider. “It’s our territory, but he’ll have the momentum.”

Firewalls will burn tonight. Whose?

Rubio had a 3-2-1 strategy (come in 3 in Iowa, 2 in NH, 1 in South Carolina). Cruz had a #1 in South Carolina firewall too. Trump has a win-win-win strategy. Not all three men can be #1.

Trump has almost always led by a great deal in South Carolina polls. Cruz had a firewall that might or might not burn down tonight and set a-blaze other firewalls on March 1. Marco Rubio needs to be something other than the perpetual bronze medal winner somewhere. Somethings gonna burn.

There will be losers as firewalls burn:

GOP elders want poorly performing candidates to quit

South Carolina could reshape the 2016 contest, with donor dollars shifting to a single Trump-Cruz alternative.

The South Carolina primary is poised to dramatically alter the Republican nomination contest, winnowing and clarifying the largest and most rambunctious GOP field in decades.

Many in the party’s upper echelons have grown impatient with their splintered field of center-right, mainstream contenders and say they intend to put pressure on whichever candidate falls short of third place on Saturday night to quit. [snip]

South Carolina will reshape the race,” said Scott Reed, the chief political strategist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. [snip]

After disappointing showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, Jeb Bush has staked his campaign on South Carolina, dispatching his brother and mother, former First Lady Barbara Bush, to jog voters’ fond memories of Bushes past. Despite the family’s efforts, however, most polls in recent days have shown Bush hovering in single digits, far behind rival Marco Rubio.

The GOP establishment wants to stop Trump. Stop Trump is the goal:

If Bush bows out, a large and wealthy set of establishment-minded donors will be free to throw their support elsewhere. The former governor has tapped into his family’s loyal political network to amass over $120 million in contributions, and many Republicans say they think Rubio would be able to secure the backing of most of those donors, many of whom are eager for the party to unite behind a single contender to combat Trump and Cruz.

“The donor community is desperate to get someone out to focus on stopping Trump,” said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who won the South Carolina primary in 2012.

Rubio backers also hope that a smaller GOP field will bring party veteran Mitt Romney off the sidelines with an endorsement. Those close to Romney say he’s anxious to defeat Trump and Cruz – and that a Bush exit could nudge him closer to blessing Rubio. [snip]

South Carolina may transform the contest in other ways. Some in the Republican establishment worry that, following his runaway performance in New Hampshire, a lopsided Trump win would create an unmistakable sense of momentum heading into Nevada and the Super Tuesday states that vote on March 1. Most South Carolina surveys show Trump holding leads of anywhere from 15 to 20 percent.

“I think it would make him very difficult to stop, especially if he wins by a large margin, which is what the polls are indicating,” said McCain, the 2008 GOP nominee. “To state the obvious, if he wins, it’s significant.”

The firewalls are burning. A Trump victory in South Carolina would burn the biggest firewall of all:

How a Trump win in South Carolina could tear the GOP apart

For political junkies, the past week has been among the most astonishing in a political season already jam-packed with astonishing weeks.

In last Saturday’s GOP debate in South Carolina, Donald Trump took his disruptive tactics to a whole new level, laying into Jeb Bush and accusing his brother, former President George W. Bush, not just of invading Iraq for no good reason and ineptly managing the occupation of the country, but of intentionally lying to justify the war in the first place. In Trump’s telling, Saddam Hussein didn’t possess weapons of mass destruction, Dubya knew it, and he hyped the threat to justify a war he wanted to initiate for unrelated reasons. That’s long been a trope of far-left conspiracy theorists and dismissed by mainstream Democrats and Republicans alike. Yet there was the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination leveling that charge from center stage of a nationally televised GOP debate.

Conservative pundits understood instantly the gravity of what they were witnessing. If a Republican candidate for president could win a primary in a deeply conservative Southern state after such an outburst, it would be the strongest evidence yet that the conservative movement had lost control of the party — that a significant bloc of its voters is ready and willing to repudiate the movement and the ideas that have defined it for several decades.

That’s what’s going to be tested this Saturday in South Carolina. A dominating victory by Trump, which most polls are predicting, will not only strongly indicate that he’s likely either to win the nomination or prevent the nomination of anyone else prior to the GOP convention this summer. It will also portend a tumultuous future for the Republican Party, regardless of who ends up as the nominee in 2016. A party with such a large bloc of voters who diverge so sharply from the party’s organizing ideology is either a party that will need to significantly change its ideological direction — or one on the verge of breaking apart.

Whether this is in fact what’s in store for the Republican Party will be clarified as never before once the results in South Carolina roll in.

The biggest firewall to burn tonight is the GOP establishment firewall. If Trump wins South Carolina Trump will likely win the nomination and control of the Republican Party. The GOP establishment is burning, set ablaze by the voters, mostly the white working class, tired of the lies and corruption of the entire national political establishment:

The white working-class base of the party has been devastated by stagnating wages, globalization and de-industrialization, and various forms of social and cultural breakdown. And through it all the Republican Party has offered little beyond tax cuts for the wealthy and stern, moralistic reprimands (“Stop whining and get a job!”). That’s hardly a strategy inclined to generate long-term loyalty and enthusiasm for the party.

But that’s just the beginning.

Judged by any objective standard, the Republican Party’s record of governance over the past 16 years has been dismal. The largest and deadliest terrorist attack in American history took place with a Republican in the White House. He started two wars in response. The first failed for years to achieve its most immediate goal (capturing or killing Osama bin Laden) and dragged on for well over a decade, producing a deeply muddled outcome.

The second war was far more controversial. It failed to turn up the weapons that were the proximal cause of the conflict; sparked an insurgency that killed and maimed thousands of American soldiers; killed, maimed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Iraqis; and spawned groups (al Qaeda in Iraq, which later became the Islamic State and its affiliates) that now radiate destabilizing violence throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia, with carnage occasionally reaching as far as France and California.

Meanwhile, the same Republican president pushed through two massive tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthy, inspired only modest economic growth, and did little to buoy middle-class wages. He then presided over the most severe economic crisis and collapse in seven decades.

That’s an awful lot to answer for. But not even this record filled with ample doses of bad luck, missteps, and outright mistakes gets at the deepest source of present-day dissent within the GOP — which is the response of the party and its conservative-movement cheerleaders to these mistakes and missteps.

We typically think of ideology as a web of policies and the arguments that are used to justify them. But ideologies can also shape tactics. And the fact is that for much of the past generation the GOP has been in the grip of a tactical ideology of willful stubbornness. [snip]

Which brings us back to Trump.

What voters hear when he rails against the stupidity of the country’s political leadership, the incompetence of George W. Bush, and what he likes to call the complete disaster of American policy in Iraq and the broader Middle East is a man willing both to face the ugly truth that they themselves perceive and to call out those who refuse to acknowledge it. If he gets a little carried away in countenancing some unsavory conspiracy theories, that’s a forgivable offense. Certainly more forgivable than Republicans failing to take even the least bit of responsibility for what they’ve done, and failed to do, while holding positions of power.

On Saturday night in South Carolina, we’ll see how many Republican voters are willing to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt — all for the sake of telling the party’s leadership just how unwilling they are to continue extending the same benefit to them.

Firewalls will burn today. It is not just political campaigns set ablaze. Today, the political establishment faces the Götterdämmerung conflagration all tyrants fear.

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Today and/or tonight, firewalls will burn. We don’t know which firewalls will burn. But today, firewalls burn.

The biggest and earliest firewall that might Bern? Hillary Clinton’s Nevada firewall.

Hillary2016 must win a resounding victory of ten points or more if she is to keep her Nevada firewall pristine, not charred. If Hillary2016 loses in Nevada, a state where her campaign bragged of its lead for so long, then it will be the first of burnt firewalls and Hillary2016 will resemble bombed out post war European cities.

If we see a Bernt Hillary2016 firewall in Nevada, Bernie Sanders will be able to survive the earlier primaries which should be Hillary2016 victories. If the Hillary2016 Nevada firewall Berns down Bernie Sanders will have his great comeback in the Western primaries and caucuses towards the end of the nomination process.

If Nevada Berns, there will be few credible excuses. The dumb “analysis” that suggests Hillary2016 will be saved by the odious Harry Reid, just don’t know what they are talking about. Harry Reid in 2008 helped destroy Hillary and in 2016 Harry Reid is up to his same tricks.

If Nevada Berns, there will be zero credible excuses for the failure. Hillary2016 campaign manager Robbie Mook grew up in Vermont so he understands the Vermont senator. Also, Robbie Mook was the 2008 Hillary state director in Nevada.

If the firewall holds without a singe on it, then Hillary2016 will be back on track. But an Iowa style “victory” will only serve to fire up the Jacobins of the Bernie cinder campaign.

If the Nevada firewall Berns today, the spiritless Mook “data driven” campaign will be in flames. Mook’s head and the hapless Jennifer Palmieri’s head will have to be removed. If the Nevada firewall Berns today, the long slough for Hillary2016 will begin. It will be a long slough to defeat.

We will update with the Republican contest in South Carolina and the burning firewalls there, before the voting ends at 7:00 p.m.

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  1. DONALD TRUMP IS A BIGGER FRONTRUNNER TO BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE THAN YOU THINK

    Washington Post
    Barring some sort of cataclysm, Donald Trump is going to easily win Saturday’s Republican presidential primary in South Carolina. It would be his second straight large victory out of three contests so far in the presidential contest. In the other — the Iowa caucuses — Trump got the second most votes of any Republican candidate ever, but he finished second behind the guy who got the most votes in the history of the caucuses: Ted Cruz. Three days after the South Carolina vote, the race will move to Nevada where a poll released on Wednesday showed Trump ahead by almost 30 points. Then comes the March 1 “SEC” primary, when voters in 13 states across the country — including six Southern states — vote. Polling puts Trump first in most, if not all, of those states.

    Al of which raises a simple but profound question: Why isn’t Trump being covered as the overwhelming favorite to be the Republican nominee?

    Substitute any other Republican in the race into Trump’s current position. There is a 100 percent chance that that person would be touted as the prohibitive favorite or the odds-on nominee. Imagine Marco Rubio — he of the third-place finish in Iowa and fifth-place finish in New Hampshire — with the same poll numbers as Trump in South Carolina, Nevada and beyond. The coronation would be on. Hell, Rubio is now seen as a likely third-place finisher in South Carolina — behind Trump and Cruz — and laurels are virtually being thrown at his feet.

    Why isn’t Trump getting the credit and coverage he deserves? Because, at root, there is still a belief within the party establishment and the ranks of the media that he will somehow implode or voters will “wise up” or “get real” or something. The problem with that theory is that, well, Trump has done lots and lots of things that would a) be described as “gaffes” and b) would have ended or severely compromised other campaigns. And yet, none of it has touched him. In fact, his willingness to say anything — no matter the underlying facts — seems to affirm to his supporters just how “independent” from the political system he really is.

    Trump has been the front-runner — in South Carolina and nationally — for a very long time. And nothing seems to move his numbers.

    Here’s South Carolina.

    Now ask yourself: What could Trump possibly do or say that would somehow be considered a large enough mistake to peel away large amounts of support from him? There is some internal polling done for rival candidates in South Carolina that suggests Trump is losing some altitude in the state after his not-good-at-all performance in the debate last Saturday. Okay, maybe. But, losing some altitude in a single state where you are ahead by 20-plus points is not exactly a campaign-ending problem.

    The idea that Trump will either derail himself or be derailed given the steadiness of his numbers seems like the most wishful of thinking by establishment Republicans. Ditto the idea — that I still hear nearly every day in D.C. — that the establishment will “figure out” a way to stop Trump. Trust me: If they could have stopped Trump, they would have done it a long time ago. They can’t.

    Wishful thinking is not the same thing as plausible strategy. And, at this point, it appears that wishful thinking is what is keeping Trump from getting the coverage he deserves as the clear front-runner for the Republican nomination. Front-runners can — and do — lose on occasion. And it’s possible that Trump — perhaps when/if the race narrows to a one-on-one contest with Rubio — loses.

    But, it is an undeniable fact that Trump has by far the easiest path to the Republican nomination from here on out. Waiting and hoping for him to collapse is, to borrow a Trump-ism, a loser’s game.

  2. Come on Hillary, knock Burningman off of his unicorn tonight!

    I agree that heads should roll in her campaign, no matter the size of her win in NV.

  3. A dubious caucus win, a thumping in New Hampshire, a tiebreaker in Nevada:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/nevada-caucuses-2016-219537

    Clinton hopes her Nevada firewall will hold

    Polls show Sanders in range of an upset, and even a close result would show Clinton’s support from minority voters is no longer a guarantee.

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign is anxiously awaiting results Saturday as Nevadans prepare a verdict that will shape the next steps of the tightening Democratic primary between her and Bernie Sanders.

    Polls show Sanders making inroads among Latinos in the first Western state to weigh in on the Democratic primary. Prominent players are sitting on the sidelines while Clinton and Sanders jockey for an edge. Talks of voter fraud abound, and — with fresh memories of coin flips that decided tied Iowa precincts earlier this month — campaigns prepared for Nevada-style tiebreakers: drawing from a deck of cards.

    Though polls are spotty and unreliable here, most observers see Sanders within an eyelash of toppling Clinton in this Latino-heavy state. Even a close call would show Sanders’ surprise ability to rally minority voters to his side.

    Conversely, a Sanders win or near-win would show that Clinton’s support from those voters is no longer assured — a blow that could ripple to South Carolina next Saturday, where Clinton has been hoping her double-digit edge among African-Americans will send Sanders back to being an also-ran.

    The polls have tightened in part because Sanders has been able to raise more money than us,” Clinton wrote in a fundraising solicitation to supporters this morning, a reflection of growing concerns that Sanders may have a cash edge in the next round of primary battles.

    The concern — compounded by a lack of reliable Nevada polls and a sense that the race has tightened — was on display Friday night too, when Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, took solace in a decision by the Culinary Workers Union to sit out the race. The decision deprives Clinton’s already well-organized Nevada operation of a potent network of support.

    They were against us the last time. This is progress,” he told a pool reporter.

    Another Nevada power player, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, intends to enter the caucuses uncommitted, CNN reported.

    While Republicans battled for South Carolina votes thousands of miles away, Reid warned of GOP meddling in his state’s primary too. He pointed to reports of a suggestion by college Republicans in Reno to seek to participate in the Democratic caucuses today, only to turn around and vote Tuesday when the Republican caucuses occur. Sanders has urged Republicans to back his candidacy but has not endorsed double-voting.

    As in Iowa, when Clinton narrowly edged Sanders in the state’s caucuses, the level of turnout may be instructive. Veteran Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston predicted that turnout surging above 70,000 would be a sign of a groundswell of support for Sanders.

  4. I posted a link on the last thread. Why the Hell did Reid get NV to change from a primary to a caucus in 2004, if for any other reason than to help Obama cheat in the caucuses in 2008?

  5. I just got one of those “Whatever happens tonight friend” emails form Huma so the internal poll numbers must look bad.

  6. The Scalia funeral today was a classy send off. Barack Obama and Michelle Obama were not there. Maybe that is why the event was so spiritual and elegant.

  7. I assume he is golfing and she was having her wig prepared for a fun night on the town watching Hillary lose…

  8. BREAKING NEWS: Fox News projects @HillaryClinton as the winner of the Democratic Nevada Caucus


    Not sure what the final percentage is of the win, as votes are still being counted. Hillary is also winning in delegates.

  9. admin
    February 20, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    The Scalia funeral today was a classy send off. Barack Obama and Michelle Obama were not there. Maybe that is why the event was so spiritual and elegant.

    ———
    Trump tweeted that Obama might well have attended IF the funeral had been held in a mosque.

    Obama is an E-mon. Or better yet, a F-Bomb.

  10. I expect that Dolores Huerta will be in Nevada, working for Hillary. She was there for us in 2008 when I was in Laredo. She is a solid campaigner and organizer. She was the right hand man of Caesar Chavez in the United Farm Workers days, and fought against the employers, the Brazos program and the Teamsters. I never doubted Hillary would win Nevada, or the other border states in the south against the bern. Here is Huerta’s bio in case you are interested.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Huerta

  11. foxyladi14
    February 20, 2016 at 4:26 pm
    Go home Yebbie!! 😆
    ——-
    I was going to wish him a similar send off, but I had a different destination in mind for him, in the sulpherous regions.

    Jeb sustained a mortal injury, and the devil showed up to claim his reward.

    However, the devil made it clear to Jeb–Jebediah, he said, you useless–strike that, you are a wonderful human being, and I will allow you to decide for yourself where you wish to spend eternity.

    So the devil put Jeb in an elevator and took him down to the nether regions. The door opened, Jeb stepped out and he was in the middle of Augusta golf course, with lilacs, warm breezes, and Cheney stepped forward and handed Jeb a mint julip. Whereupon the devil said, if you like this place, it is yours. And Jeb said, can I take my half billion with me. The devil said you can if you like but you won’t need it. EVERYTHING you see here is free, including the Obamaphones.

    Jeb started to say I accept, but the devil cut him off. He told Jeb no no no you cannot decide now. What we are talking about here, Jebediahm, is ten eternities. Therefore, you must make an informed decision, so you need to see what the alternative looks like.

    So the devil summoned the elevator for Jeb and sent him up to the Pealie Gates. And there he found very few people he knew. And they all seemed, well, pious. And just a little boring, compared to what Jebediah was used to. So he asked St. Peter, is this what I have to look forward to up here? And St Peter replied I am afraid so, but it should be no problem because you have always maintained that you are a good Christian. Whereupon, Jeb told St. Peter, this is a nice place, filled with nice people, but I do not think I belong here. I would be far happier–more at home in hades.

    So Jeb stepped back on the elevator, and back down to where he came from. But when the elevator door opened what did he discover? Augusta in spring? Hardly. A burning fire, screams, smoke everywhere–and his old pal the devil. Whereupon Bush demanded to know what happened.

    Whereupon the devil replied: yesterday we were campaigning. Today, we are governing.

  12. Obama not attending the funeral today and showing up to the podium in a tie-less jacket…
    and nothing from the media unbelievable

  13. Update: Ted Cruz has a South Carolina firewall:

    What if the firewall crumbles?

    That’s the worry of a growing number of people close to Ted Cruz’s campaign, who are privately beginning to fear that a big loss in South Carolina to Donald Trump on Saturday could signal more defeats to come in the so-called SEC states that are the lynchpin of Cruz’s strategy.

    “If they’re pretty far back from Trump and they can’t get southern conservative evangelicals in South Carolina, I do think they’re probably going to have a hard time elsewhere,” said Erick Erickson, a conservative writer in touch with Cruz’s team. “I sense a real fear from people that if Trump blows everybody out of the water in South Carolina, that he is suddenly unstoppable.

    South Carolina is not a Trump “firewall” because Trump has a diverse coalition. A Trump loss in South Carolina would be a big blow never-the-less. It would be a weakness and a sign of a long slog to come. Granted, by all logic Donald Trump should lose South Carolina. Trump has been, in one short week, attacked by the Pope, by Big Media and the entire political establishment – then responded with a lethal attack on some of the delusions about George W. Bush the Republican establishment holds most dear.

    But South Carolina is a Cruz “firewall” not a Trump must win. If Trump beats Cruz in South Carolina, we believe Cruz will have to get out of the race even though we also believe foolish Cruz will decide to stick with his loser campaign. Of course, Cruz could win. Cruz once thought he would would win South Carolina:

    Cruz’s team once envisioned South Carolina as a rubber match between Trump, the New Hampshire victor, and Cruz, the Iowa winner. Now, it’s being read as an omen of what’s to come in 10 days’ time when Southern states vote on Super Tuesday.

    Cruz once called the God-fearing, gun-toting SEC states that vote then on March 1 his “firewall,” but polls show Trump leading in South Carolina, and a dominant performance Saturday would show that Cruz has not been able to sufficiently consolidate the evangelical base that he needs to win down the road in places like Tennessee and Georgia.

    Cruz could win if evangelicals come out in massive numbers and vote in massive numbers for Cruz. Still, that would make Cruz a niche candidate and the states to come won’t have that high a proportion of evangelicals voting.

    Just as Hillary Clinton required at least a ten point win in Nevada to douse the louse Bernie Sanders, Trump could use a big win because that would put the nail in the Cruz coffin:

    Several people close to the campaign concede that losing South Carolina by double digits would spell serious trouble for Super Tuesday. If it’s a tighter loss, some say, it would validate the theory that Trump was susceptible to their attacks and encourage more. [snip]

    “But if Trump gets 38 or 40 — and Cruz is second with 22 or something like that — it’s going to be very ominous,” the fundraiser added. [snip]

    It is hard to overstate the importance of March 1 to Cruz’s self-professed path to victory — he has made the date, which will award more delegates than any other day in the Republican calendar, the cornerstone of his strategy.

    Allies tell CNN Cruz is hoping to win 60% of the delegates there.

    The next state to vote in the GOP nomination race is Nevada. Trump has a large lead there already. Cruz has a lot of firewalls that might go up in a Glenn Beck blaze:

    Assuming Cruz does hold off Rubio, though, the key will be how large the margin of loss is to Trump, who also holds a large lead in Nevada.

    If Trump wins and we’re second, the SEC primary becomes a 50/50 scenario,” said one Cruz insider. “It’s our territory, but he’ll have the momentum.”

    Firewalls will burn tonight. Whose?

    Rubio had a 3-2-1 strategy (come in 3 in Iowa, 2 in NH, 1 in South Carolina). Cruz had a #1 in South Carolina firewall too. Trump has a win-win-win strategy. Not all three men can be #1.

    Trump has almost always led by a great deal in South Carolina polls. Cruz had a firewall that might or might not burn down tonight and set a-blaze other firewalls on March 1. Marco Rubio needs to be something other than the perpetual bronze medal winner somewhere. Somethings gonna burn.

    There will be losers as firewalls burn:

    GOP elders want poorly performing candidates to quit

    South Carolina could reshape the 2016 contest, with donor dollars shifting to a single Trump-Cruz alternative.

    The South Carolina primary is poised to dramatically alter the Republican nomination contest, winnowing and clarifying the largest and most rambunctious GOP field in decades.

    Many in the party’s upper echelons have grown impatient with their splintered field of center-right, mainstream contenders and say they intend to put pressure on whichever candidate falls short of third place on Saturday night to quit. [snip]

    South Carolina will reshape the race,” said Scott Reed, the chief political strategist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. [snip]

    After disappointing showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, Jeb Bush has staked his campaign on South Carolina, dispatching his brother and mother, former First Lady Barbara Bush, to jog voters’ fond memories of Bushes past. Despite the family’s efforts, however, most polls in recent days have shown Bush hovering in single digits, far behind rival Marco Rubio.

    The GOP establishment wants to stop Trump. Stop Trump is the goal:

    If Bush bows out, a large and wealthy set of establishment-minded donors will be free to throw their support elsewhere. The former governor has tapped into his family’s loyal political network to amass over $120 million in contributions, and many Republicans say they think Rubio would be able to secure the backing of most of those donors, many of whom are eager for the party to unite behind a single contender to combat Trump and Cruz.

    “The donor community is desperate to get someone out to focus on stopping Trump,” said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who won the South Carolina primary in 2012.

    Rubio backers also hope that a smaller GOP field will bring party veteran Mitt Romney off the sidelines with an endorsement. Those close to Romney say he’s anxious to defeat Trump and Cruz – and that a Bush exit could nudge him closer to blessing Rubio. [snip]

    South Carolina may transform the contest in other ways. Some in the Republican establishment worry that, following his runaway performance in New Hampshire, a lopsided Trump win would create an unmistakable sense of momentum heading into Nevada and the Super Tuesday states that vote on March 1. Most South Carolina surveys show Trump holding leads of anywhere from 15 to 20 percent.

    “I think it would make him very difficult to stop, especially if he wins by a large margin, which is what the polls are indicating,” said McCain, the 2008 GOP nominee. “To state the obvious, if he wins, it’s significant.”

    The firewalls are burning. A Trump victory in South Carolina would burn the biggest firewall of all:

    How a Trump win in South Carolina could tear the GOP apart

    For political junkies, the past week has been among the most astonishing in a political season already jam-packed with astonishing weeks.

    In last Saturday’s GOP debate in South Carolina, Donald Trump took his disruptive tactics to a whole new level, laying into Jeb Bush and accusing his brother, former President George W. Bush, not just of invading Iraq for no good reason and ineptly managing the occupation of the country, but of intentionally lying to justify the war in the first place. In Trump’s telling, Saddam Hussein didn’t possess weapons of mass destruction, Dubya knew it, and he hyped the threat to justify a war he wanted to initiate for unrelated reasons. That’s long been a trope of far-left conspiracy theorists and dismissed by mainstream Democrats and Republicans alike. Yet there was the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination leveling that charge from center stage of a nationally televised GOP debate.

    Conservative pundits understood instantly the gravity of what they were witnessing. If a Republican candidate for president could win a primary in a deeply conservative Southern state after such an outburst, it would be the strongest evidence yet that the conservative movement had lost control of the party — that a significant bloc of its voters is ready and willing to repudiate the movement and the ideas that have defined it for several decades.

    That’s what’s going to be tested this Saturday in South Carolina. A dominating victory by Trump, which most polls are predicting, will not only strongly indicate that he’s likely either to win the nomination or prevent the nomination of anyone else prior to the GOP convention this summer. It will also portend a tumultuous future for the Republican Party, regardless of who ends up as the nominee in 2016. A party with such a large bloc of voters who diverge so sharply from the party’s organizing ideology is either a party that will need to significantly change its ideological direction — or one on the verge of breaking apart.

    Whether this is in fact what’s in store for the Republican Party will be clarified as never before once the results in South Carolina roll in.

    The biggest firewall to burn tonight is the GOP establishment firewall. If Trump wins South Carolina Trump will likely win the nomination and control of the Republican Party. The GOP establishment is burning, set ablaze by the voters, mostly the white working class, tired of the lies and corruption of the entire national political establishment:

    The white working-class base of the party has been devastated by stagnating wages, globalization and de-industrialization, and various forms of social and cultural breakdown. And through it all the Republican Party has offered little beyond tax cuts for the wealthy and stern, moralistic reprimands (“Stop whining and get a job!”). That’s hardly a strategy inclined to generate long-term loyalty and enthusiasm for the party.

    But that’s just the beginning.

    Judged by any objective standard, the Republican Party’s record of governance over the past 16 years has been dismal. The largest and deadliest terrorist attack in American history took place with a Republican in the White House. He started two wars in response. The first failed for years to achieve its most immediate goal (capturing or killing Osama bin Laden) and dragged on for well over a decade, producing a deeply muddled outcome.

    The second war was far more controversial. It failed to turn up the weapons that were the proximal cause of the conflict; sparked an insurgency that killed and maimed thousands of American soldiers; killed, maimed and displaced hundreds of thousands of Iraqis; and spawned groups (al Qaeda in Iraq, which later became the Islamic State and its affiliates) that now radiate destabilizing violence throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia, with carnage occasionally reaching as far as France and California.

    Meanwhile, the same Republican president pushed through two massive tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthy, inspired only modest economic growth, and did little to buoy middle-class wages. He then presided over the most severe economic crisis and collapse in seven decades.

    That’s an awful lot to answer for. But not even this record filled with ample doses of bad luck, missteps, and outright mistakes gets at the deepest source of present-day dissent within the GOP — which is the response of the party and its conservative-movement cheerleaders to these mistakes and missteps.

    We typically think of ideology as a web of policies and the arguments that are used to justify them. But ideologies can also shape tactics. And the fact is that for much of the past generation the GOP has been in the grip of a tactical ideology of willful stubbornness. [snip]

    Which brings us back to Trump.

    What voters hear when he rails against the stupidity of the country’s political leadership, the incompetence of George W. Bush, and what he likes to call the complete disaster of American policy in Iraq and the broader Middle East is a man willing both to face the ugly truth that they themselves perceive and to call out those who refuse to acknowledge it. If he gets a little carried away in countenancing some unsavory conspiracy theories, that’s a forgivable offense. Certainly more forgivable than Republicans failing to take even the least bit of responsibility for what they’ve done, and failed to do, while holding positions of power.

    On Saturday night in South Carolina, we’ll see how many Republican voters are willing to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt — all for the sake of telling the party’s leadership just how unwilling they are to continue extending the same benefit to them.

    Firewalls will burn today. It is not just political campaigns set ablaze. Today, the political establishment faces the Götterdämmerung conflagration all tyrants fear.

    ———————–

  14. Trump is always winning JBStonesFan. 🙂

    Today was the first Hillary rally that seemed genuinely happy, or at least relieved.

  15. SC R votes so far with 3% counted.

    Donald Trump 29.8%5901–
    Ted Cruz 22.7%4,480-1,421
    Marco Rubio 22.6%4469-1,432
    Jeb Bush 10.5%2079-3,822
    John Kasich 7.6%1505-4,396
    Ben Carson 6.5%1278

  16. Trump spent 1.8 million on ads.. Rubio 12 million
    THE number of voters passed records at 2 pm…Because of Trump, for Trump.
    Trump 2016

  17. Sorry above tally was .3%

    Here is the latest on the top 3

    Donald Trump 31.8%12,314–
    Ted Cruz 22.0%8512-3,802
    Marco Rubio 21.6%8379-3,935

    Amazing that Cruz and Rubio are neck and neck right now. That will be bank for the GOP.

  18. jbstonesfan

    February 20, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    Happy for Hillary…is it officially over?
    _______________________________________

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. HARRY ENTEN 8:02 PM

    While it’s still unclear exactly how much of the vote Trump will end with, it’ll be around one-third of the total. That generally matches his vote percentage in New Hampshire, despite the states being very different in their ideologies. This is good news for Trump because it suggests his support isn’t limited to one region. But he still hasn’t proven that he can get beyond a third of the vote in a Republican primary.

  20. Admin, you indicated Hillary needed 10% or better to protect the “firewall”. I see she is at 5% lead (512 votes) with 81% reporting. What does this mean for Bernie?

  21. Fox News sadder than the Scalia funeral. Dana Perino, Stephen Hayes, Baier, all very subdued. They weren’t happy with the Nevada Hillary results. This Trump news has them near tears. They’re looking for good news such as the doofy “this will go on for a long time” and “Rubio, Cruz have a shot”, “Bloomberg?” “it’s not yet over”. It’s over fellas and Dana/Megyn.

  22. 5% or less not very good imho..I assume they are hoping for a big win in S.Carolina and pull away super Tuesday. Kind of surprised it was so close, but Hillary does not do well in these caucus states.

  23. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, Jeb. Go home to your looted wealth and your crime family.

  24. Melania and Ivanka very easy on the eyes..
    ——————————————
    Rubio finishing 2nd and presumably Jeb will get behind him to take Trump down.

  25. Rubio finishing 2nd
    ——
    I cannot believe this guy.

    He stands for open borders and endless war.

    He is another Obama, i.e. empty suit.

    And he is a proven liar.

  26. From Daily Wire
    “While Clinton’s victory certainly represents a major recovery for her campaign at a critical moment, it also proves the power of the movement behind Bernie Sanders. It’s worth noting that Clinton also defeated Barack Obama in the state eight years ago before losing the nomination to him as the race unfolded. In fact, her victory in 2008 was larger than her win today. For his part, Sanders only shifted his focus to the state in the last few months, and by finishing within just four points of Clinton – who led in the state by double digits only last year – he proved that he will remain competitive in the coming months as voters, especially minority voters, warm to his anti-capitalist message.”

  27. Final RealClearPolitics average of polls was 31.8. Fox News insists Trump underperformed even though Trump is over 33%.

  28. Happy for Hillary as well!!!

    Of course, no surprise that media still trying to spin everything related to Hillary as negative. Same shit different day.

    She won. Nuff said.

  29. Ted Cruz speech is delusional. “We defied the pundits.” How? Cruz comes in 3. Loser! Firewall is fireball now.

  30. “Rubio finishing 2nd. I cannot believe this guy. He stands for open borders and endless war. He is another Obama, i.e. empty suit. And he is a proven liar.
    ______________________
    Wbb, I could not agree more. Rubio is slime, sleaze, and lies all twisted into one person. With Jeb dropping out and surely, surely Carson soon with Cruz to follow, that means that many, many of those voters will go to wittle Marco. I can’t believe the people of this country are so clueless to vote for another BO once again. We are in much deep trouble than we even know.

    Glad Hillary won Nevada.

  31. freespirit
    February 20, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Happy for Hillary as well!!!

    Of course, no surprise that media still trying to spin everything related to Hillary as negative.

    Same shit different day.

    She won.

    Nuff said.

    ——–
    A big, fat Y U P to that!

  32. Based on the numbers I’m seeing at Decision Desk HQ, Cruz and Rubio are virtually tied with 22.3% and 22.4% (99.4% reporting).

  33. With 99.4% of votes counted…look at tiny little RubySlips winning second place numbers… .1% He took away Jebs votes.

    Donald Trump 32.4% 238,622–
    Marco Rubio 22.4% 165,163-73,459
    Ted Cruz 22.3% 164,142-74,480
    Jeb Bush 7.9% 57,808-180,814
    John Kasich 7.6% 56,033-182,589
    Ben Carson 7.2% 53,098-185,524

  34. If South Carolina is a winner take all state, then the contest between Cruz and that sack of shit Marco is nothing more than a beauty contest. Marco has got that deer in the headlights look down pat. And internet donors like Larry Ellison are stuffing his pockets with cash, knowing full well that he is for sale to the highest bidder.

  35. Jeb Bush had the good sense to drop out. So why is Dr. Carson staying in? Here are some comments I’ve been reading from other websites.

    Pathetic. Carson has no hope of winning, no hope of earning delegates, no hope of raising much money. Yep, there is a groundswell of those begging you to stay in the race, Doctor. Your book tour is over. Do you need to sell more books to gullible old white people and get more money?

    Seems by staying in the race at this point, Dr. Carson is grinding an axe he imagines and it is very unbecoming and childish. Do you realize, Dr. Carson, that you are losing because you really are in over your head, you do not have a clue about campaigning or governing and that you have run a pitfully bad campaign?

  36. Yes, indeed, Wbb. Rubio is for sale to the highest bidder. He can and has been bought and will stay bought. What more could the establishment Reps want?

  37. Southern

    The GOP just wants another Empty Boy Scout Suit.

    The look of another clean minority with a well crafted family story, to the land of fairy dust and unicorns.

  38. Question: has the country learned NOTHING about the disasters which befall a nation, when they hire a rookie senator with an undistinguished record to be their president? Doing the same erroneous thing twice is a row expecting a different result is what Einstein called insanity. No. Not the bagel maker, the E=MC2 critter. But it does not take an IQ like his. Anyone with average intelligence should be able to figure that one out. Its like:

    You don’t have to go a private school
    Not to pick up a penny near a stubborn mule,
    You don’t have to have a professor’s dome
    Not to go for the honey when the bee’s not home.
    That comes naturally–but not for the rubio supporter.

  39. When you win double digits, 10%, and you literally have taken on the media, the Republican party,The Globalist money handlers, The Pope for God’s sake…
    Like Bud…that says it all!!

    TRUMP 2016

  40. Gonzotx
    Yep. Hillary is a globalist. Punish the middle class for one world government. Why would any middle class person vote against their own self interest. Sounds like mental illness to me. Call people that want to preserve a way of life xenophobic. Ridicule blue collar men as angry with the changing times. No fucktards you the representatives of the people are making life harder.AMnesty H1B visas hurt the middle class.

  41. You know when you think about it, Marco Rubio should have won 2nd place with a much, much higher percentage. He has had FOX News as his assistant campaign workers. They have touted and praised him non stop for weeks while attacking Trump but mainly Cruz, he has the establishment RNC pushing for him, he has the big donors who want to get richer off of cheap open borders workers pouring money into his campaign, he had endorsements from South Carolina governor Nicky Haley, Rep. Trey Gowdy, Sen. Tim Scott and even Bob Dole working for him. He has had most Rep media both print and websites in the tank for him as well. So with all those people in his pocket, why didn’t Marco win by more? The same people and including Trump have ripped into Cruz continually. So how did Cruz manage to be neck in neck with Barack…I mean Marco?

    If I had been a big Jeb supporter and after all Rubio and especially Trump did to bring my candidate down, I think I’d go for Cruz or Kasich wouldn’t you? But then Bush’s supporters were big time establishment so probably they will fall in line and do what Rinse Dirtyword tells them to do. If Kasich were to drop out would his votes go to Trump or Rubio?

    So is this really such a big win for Rubio as the media will say?

  42. Hillary won by 600 votes… out of 11,000.

    I like the concept of caucuses (when they’re not being scammed), but they just don’t bring out enough people. Too small a percentage of residents decide the vote for everyone else.

    Primaries don’t bring out enough, either, but at least it’s way more representative than a caucus.

  43. I can see how the DNC imagines they can bring out someone at the convention. There have always been a large number of people who hate Hillary (and no, I’ve never seen them on this site), but there are luckily lots of dems who will never vote for a socialist. Whereas in the past they might have sat out in this type of situation, I can see Trump being the final choice for a lot of dems, unless the DNC pulls that fast one at the convention. But that in itself would be weird. So who knows what will happen…

    But if either party pulls someone out at their convention, that person would only be voted on by convention goers, not the public, right? That right there is so wrong, IMO.

  44. The pundits think Rubio will get the nod as he is supposedly a more electable candidate than Trump. Interesting if Trump keeps winning but goes to the convention without enough delegates and the establishment gets Rubio in. I think Trump goes 3rd party if that happens and all but assures a Clinton victory.

  45. Rubio is the golden calf right now…

    Trump is the Matador…

    This is, a fight for America’s very soul.
    If we lose this to globalist Rubio, or Globalist Hillary, we will lose America…

    Word…

  46. The hope would be that once/if Hillary gets by Sanders she can get back to being the candidate we once loved…the question is does that candidate still exist, and if so, can she be elected by the democratic party? Will she continue Obama’s policies of weakening American influence, shifting to Iran at the expense of Israel and the Saudis, push for amnesty, etc? Who is the real Hillary?

  47. jbstonesfan
    February 21, 2016 at 12:29 am
    ———–
    At times like this, it is good to differentiate between known fact and speculation.

    The known facts are:

    1. Trump is winning primaries and amassing delegates.

    2. Trump has out maneuvered the establishment at every turn.

    3. Marco is what the establishment wants but he is distrusted by the base.

    4. Marco has a glass jaw—Christy showed us that.

    5. The establishment and big media are not trusted.

    The trick here is to take Marco down at the right time. If it is done to early, it will open the door for Kasich. If it is done too late he could get up a head of steam. But even if he does, there is always 3, 4 and 5 below.

    What we don’t know is the traps the establishment may set up at the convention. But if Trump wins the majority of delegates then any attempt they make to give the nomination to someone else will not just lose the election, it will implode the party. And you can be damned sure Trump will not go gently into that good night, and a third party will form. For them this has Darwinian overtones, i.e. evolution vs. extinction. For them, this is what the British call in their understated way: a sticky wicket.

  48. Agree wbboei, but isn’t the winner take all states the best chance for Trump to really control the convention?

  49. The young barbarians are not pleased with the results in Nevada.

    They booed Hillary’s victory speech.

    How vulgar, crude, gauche they are.

    The time that Bernie won the race
    They cheered him through the market-place;
    Man and boy stood cheering by,
    And home they brought him shoulder-high.

    Today, the road all runners come,
    Shoulder-high have brought the old frizzle home,
    And set his fat ass down,
    Townsman of a stiller town.

    Oh Bernie please just slip away
    From fields where glory does not stay,
    And early though the laurel grows
    It withers quicker than the rose.

  50. jbstonesfan
    February 21, 2016 at 1:17 am
    ————-
    Precisely.

    Roger Stone is looking for attorneys with convention experience to go to the convention and fight establishment attempts to wrest the nomination from Donald. Under their rules, 5% of the delegates are super delegates (15% for the dims) so 95% are up for grabs. Wins the next several primaries and then sweeps Super Tuesday, then I think he is there. Nevertheless, they have that silly rule which Romney put into effect last time which says that the nominee must have a majority in at least seven states, which is impossible to achieve if multiple candidates remain in the race. But if Trump sweeps the above states, then he will have enough delegates to abolish that rule. That said, my understanding of all this, currently, is a mile wide and six inches deep.

  51. lorac, how sure are you that a lot of democrats will never vote for a socialist?

    I would think just the opposite.

    The establishment is crony capitalist to the hilt–just like the republican establishment.

    But the base, which no longer includes Reagan democrats, and is mostly non white lives on critical race theory and massive entitlements.

    Therefore, it will be as hard to the establishment to get rid of Bernie, as it is for the establishment to rid itself of Trump. In both cases, they are moving against their base.

  52. To paraphrase King Henry VIII, the question the establishment must be asking themselves is:

    “who will rid me of that meddlesome Donald?”

  53. Ben Carson. I think he’s playing a pivotal role, supplementing Trump’s core values really well.

    February 20, 2016
    Presidential Candidate Ben Carson Primary Night Speech Despite a last place finish in South Carolina, Republican Presidential Candidate Ben Carson says he’s still in the race and outlined why he’s running.
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?405026-1/ben-carson-primary-night-speech Truth be told, I almost resumed contributing to him.

  54. wbboei – so your feeling is that most middle class Americans have left the dems? Or that even the middle class that is left is okay with socialism?

    Either way, how sad. Trump definitely needs to win, then, because that socialism crap has to be stomped out in this country. We’re a country of safety nets for those who cannot help themselves while the rest work hard trying to achieve, not gigantic amounts of people wanting to be taken care of instead of taking care of themselves. If the latter wins, we’re not even America anymore.

    So perhaps you are right, but then we definitely need Trump to make this a working country again… get all those extra people out of the safety net before they get too used to being kept people, kept by other people’s taxes and manipulated by their party to stay on the plantation and keep voting for their puppeteers…

  55. Southern Born
    February 21, 2016 at 12:08 am
    So is this really such a big win for Rubio as the media will say?

    The media appear to be entering the hallucination phase of their nervous breakdowns. Spinning like dervishes. And Kasich told media it is four way race! I guess the black guy counts as half a person to Gov Huggy who got half a point less than he did. Rubio won jack squat. He hasn’t won a state and he isn’t going to on Super-Super Tuesday either that I can see. He got ALL of the endorsements who could be bought and still came in a distant second. Cruz who almost got second should be gunning for him now. All they can do is pretend Trump isn’t looming over all of them. Trump killed them in delegates. Cruz got zero. Rubio the “winner” got zero or two. That ain’t winning. That’s losing.

    http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/south-carolina-gop-primary/ Check out the totals by county with your cursor. Remember how much Jeb, Cruz, and Rubio spent in SC and just how poorly they did. Amazing.

  56. !Jeb did his duty to his old man and brother and ran. Now he can go home. He will be remembered as the brother of the President who did NOT keep us safe and rigged the Florida election results. Asshole. No more awful Bushes. And now we can get rid that do nothing son of his hanging his entitled little hat in Austin too.

  57. Rubio is on Wallace’s Sunday Show. After setting him up to bash Cruz and giving him tme to do so, Wallace asked him about his missed meetings even back to Florida, missed meetings in the Senate, missed votes in the Senate, Mr. Slick and Slimey said that many meetings happen at the same time so he couldn’t be everywhere at once.

    Now Wallace is asking him about Nicky Haley as a VP and he said she is incredible plus he is touting that NOW with him. Marco, the Rep party is the face of diversity…a black SC senator and Indian SC gov supporting a Cuban as president.

    Slick, slick, slime

  58. Cruz was probably cheated out of votes to give Robio his second place win so the GOPers could gush over him. Cruz will not get any sympathy because of how he won Iowa. Robio is not as disgusting as Bush is, yet, but given the opportunity I am sure he would do as much looting as the Bush Crime Family would. Just thinking about it probably makes him sweat. As they try to force feed him to the public, they will find he is found to be as repulsive as JEB. That is because of THEM as much as their candidate.

  59. I think Cruz went to the Scalia funeral because he may need a new job soon and needs to keep his law firm contacts open. Networking you know. If this presidential campaign stuff and burned bridges in the Senate doesn’t work out.

  60. This is why Trump can win:

    Hillary supporters chant – HIL-LAR-RY! HIL-LAR-RY! HIL-LAR-RY!

    Robio supporters chant – MAR-CO! MAR-CO! MAR-CO!

    Trump supporters #2 chant – TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

    Trump supporters #1 chant – USA! USA! USA!

    I do not care what he looks like or sounds like, I just need to know he is going to work for my country.

  61. lorac
    February 21, 2016 at 7:31 am
    ———-
    I agree.

    I am for a net worth tax on hedge fund managers, big media moguls, and others who hunt 100 times more than they consume.

    That would hit Gates right between his four eyes.

    I have yet to work out the fine details, but I am sure Steve Forbes and I would come up with a system which is fair and reason and equitable to all parties.

    It would involve taxing those bastards from here to kingdom come.

    I think it was Marshall who said the power to tax is the power to destroy.

    Well . . . perish the thought that I would ever have a dark ambition such as that.

    What I am sick of is seeing these bastards use the middle class as their human shield, while feeding the worst elements in society.

    The question for the ages: does a net worth tax go far enough, or must we consider more drastic (strike that) more extraordinary remedies, to rid our political system of these people?

    That is for others to decide. For me the legal remedy described above may not be enough, but it is a good start. And, of course a long arm statute to go after them when they flee the country.

    These bastards may not like Donald, but after years of fucking the country, he is the best deal they are going to get. They need to understand that if it is not Donald then apres Donald le deluge, to quote a late great French King who was something of an expert on devil’s tooth.
    And when they objected I would call them racists.

  62. There may be those in the elite class who see the problem. There is a passage in War and Peace where a member of the aristocracy, Pierre Buzkoff, tells a confidante that he favors freeing the serfs, not because it would be good for the serfs, but because it would liberate the aristocracy. By the same token, understanding that we are in a revolutionary period where none of the old assumptions can explain, much less control the outcome, just to hedge their bet, the smart ones have to be thinking, Donald may not be our cup of tea, but we can negotiate with him. Because we take him down then what comes next may be worse, and in due course we may find ourselves staring into the hot red eyes of a caveman who places little value on us and our families. Again, they need to take full measure of the times in which we live and the idea that two wedding cake nerds like Marco and Nikki are Potemkin Village which cannot survive the scorched earth scenario that is waiting in the wings, for them.

  63. Plato asked the question, is it better for individuals to remain in the state of nature or to enter the city and become part of what we call civilization. He opted for the former, and in doing so, accepted the notion that individuals must therefore submit to a hierarchy. Hierarchies are the dominant form of social organization across the species. The question presented here is what happens when the hierarchy metastasizes to the point that it no longer serves the subject, but only the elites. The butcher bill here is the 20 trillion dollar deficit, which future generations will pay, but will not touch the elites. The law has, in many respects, departed from the notion of liability based on wrongful behavior, and favored group based remedial solutions based on statistical evidence. And while I find that trend deplorable in the abstract, where our elite class is concerned it makes sense politically. When a corporate chief makes 120 times what a shop floor worker does, and votes himself all the stock options he can, and sells the company to a venture capitalist who sucks it dry and lays off all the working people, the only answer is divestiture of those ill gotten gains. That is the music which our elite class does not wish to face, and cannot say as I blame them.

  64. as we go forward would like to see Christy endorse Donald…and start getting air time blasting Rubio and Crazie, er Cruz

    Chirsty is the best pit bull DT could want and use…and Christy benefits by keeping himself on the national stage…and maybe a contender for a cabinet position…

    Christy can do the major attacking…and is very good at it…

  65. I was very surprised to hear Trump say that he would chose a politician for VP since he was an “outsider”…..hopefully not one of these jokers.

  66. (I hope this is not true)

    http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kylie-jenner-hillary-clinton-campaign-presidential-candidate-wants-kris-jenner-youngest-child-endorse-her/

    Kourting Kylie! Hillary Clinton Wants Youngest Jenner To Endorse Her

    Presidential candidate vying for 18-year-old’s support to help ailing campaign.

    Hillary Clinton has come up with a surefire way to end her problem with the kids – by recruiting Kylie Jenner to help out her campaign, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

    “Hillary has been really worried about her support with millennials. She has a great relationship with the Kardashians so her people have been trying to get Kylie Jenner to endorse her,” a campaign source told Radar about the former Secretary of State angling to get an endorsement from Kris Jenner‘s youngest child.

    “Kylie is the perfect age to support Hillary now and she has exactly what Hillary needs. She’s 18 and she has over 50 million followers on Instagram. Hillary wants her support.”

    Kylie’s older sister Kendall Jenner came out in support of Bill Clinton’s wife, proudly posting on her Instagram page a picture wearing a Hillary t-shirt and putting in the hashtag #imwithher and family friend Anna Wintour just revealed a 10-page spread of the presidential hopeful in Vogue.

    “Hillary is courting Kylie because she needs the help and she thinks it will help her connect to a younger demographic,” the source told Radar.

    And Kim Kardshian‘s selfie with Hillary was a huge hit in 2015, a major factor in Clinton’s desire to have the youngest sibling on board.

    “Kylie could be a big influence in the race and Hillary needs all the help she can get,” the source told Radar.

    **************************************

    sigh…

  67. If it is the Bushes who are funding Bernie, what is going to happen now that JEB has dropped out? Will Robio supporters money start flowing to Bernie?

  68. foxyladi14
    February 21, 2016 at 10:27 am

    by the appearance of Beck’s bloated head, it looks like he could lose a few pounds. it’s obvious the guy dropped a gear long ago, what we call certifiably insane.

  69. I guess that would be Fuckerberg who would be funding Bernie to drive Hillary far left and easier for Robio to defeat in the GE?

  70. Does anymore else like that guy on CNN Jeffrey Lord? They try yo rattle him on Trump and he laughs and makes Trumps case.

  71. looks like Hillary got her mojo back. with a win next Saturday in SC, she could be on her way come super Tuesday.

    question is, what does the POS do? stop her before she rakes in the delegates, or, after? when does the POS drop the next bomb?

  72. The FEC reports are out for January. Robio’s unitemized contributions are at 22%. Bernie has 67% unitemized. Hillary is at 17% unitemized. JEB has 5% unitemized. Those numbers are for the campaign to date, through 1/31/2016

  73. Rubio is talking about his youth and his “rainbow” type group…how wonderful the diversity is…yes, indeed, Obama like experience and good at photo ops and memorizing speeches and not showing up to vote plus seemingly interested in getting us into a Bush like war again. He’s young and cool supposedly. Nicky Haley is a RINO establishment gal just like Rubio. Does Marco not realize that he is turning some of us “old people” voters totally off. Hope Trump thinks twice before he picks a slimey guy like Rubio. Many who would vote for Trump will not if there is a Trump/Rubio ticket. That would tell us that Trump is pandering to the establishment and that maybe secretly he is one of them.

    And by the way, is anyone as sick as I am of all the pandering to the “GROUPS”? Gotta suck up to the Black vote, the Latino vote, etc. Can anyone direct us to the Irish/Scottish/ English origin group or the Italian or German American groups? Actually I don’t care if you are of pink and purple polka dotted origin. For president I just want the best, smartest, honest (or as honest as any politician can be) person who has the best interest of average Americans at heart and a president who is guided by the constitution and who honestly LOVES America. I’ll take a person like that any day before I’d pander to having someone from one of the “groups” as president simply because of the color of their skin. What happened to wanting the BEST person for the job instead of having some one from a group just because they are in a “group” not because they are the best. If someone in a “group” is the best that is great so this is not in any form racist.

  74. For Lu- (Is this what you were talking about Wbb?)

    From another site:

    Bernie Gets $10 Million in Mystery Donations from Washington D.C.

    Paperwork submitted on behalf of Bernie Sanders’ political action committee shows over $10 million in unnamed contributions pouring in from the nation’s capital.

    The mystery money appears on a Schedule A-P filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) by the Bernie2016 PAC with a receipt date of 30 June 2015. The report shows $10,465,912.39 in “Unitemized” receipts for the Primary election. (Transaction ID VPF7BEDRRH8E, page 9845.)

    This report highlights the already problematic donations to Bernie2016 PAC. On 11 February, $23 million was cited by the FEC as in violation of campaign finance regulations.

    The federal form states that the $10 million is an aggregate of individual $35 donations, all with the same date and all originating from Washington, D.C. This would require 299,026 separate donors, which equals roughly half the population of the capital.

    Under federal campaign finance law, disclosure is required on contributions over $200. Thus, the $35 donations do not appear in violation. However, given the relatively small population of D.C. and the lack of support for Sanders among legislators, the 300K individual contributions do appear highly questionable.

    Under campaign finance law, government contractors are also prohibited from making donations to political campaigns.

    https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/bernie-gets-10-million-in-mystery-donations-from-d-c/

  75. totally disgusted
    February 21, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    I was very surprised to hear Trump say that he would chose a politician for VP since he was an “outsider”…..hopefully not one of these jokers.
    —————————–
    I think he said that to get them all thinking about getting the job. Choosing Robio would be like paining a target for assassination on his forehead.

  76. jbstonesfan
    February 21, 2016 at 3:04 pm
    —-
    Do not assume that the dark horse is Biden. Murdock has stated he knows who it is, it is a surprise, but he is not saying. Since I have no inside information, all I can do is speculate, which is a waste my of time. I have heard it is Jerry Brown, who we do know has formed a presidential campaign, but who knows.

  77. Gonzotx, I am aware of Sessions and perhaps his qualifications to be VP. I do not know Martinez or what would make her a good pick. What would make her an interesting choice?

  78. jbstonesfan

    February 21, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    Rubio /Haley could be a tough ticket. Hillary would need a AA(Booker?)or Latino to counter that.
    ——–

    I agree with Southern Born. This is not like being in a candy store and deciding to pick a red one and a blue one and a yellow one. Its a superficial terrible way to pick a candidate. If presented with Clinton or Cruz, Shadow will be happy to know that I would probably choose Clinton…..but I think both are bad choices in that neither will sop illegal immigration or solve the financial trade probles we face.

    I truly despise Rubio and Rubio on a ticket would be a no go for me.

  79. Yes, the global economy is crashing and the stinkin’ FED is posturing to bring negative interest rates here. The economic beatings will continue until moral improves.

    They have not yet perceived the outrage on the rise. Lower interest rates loot savers so the elite can live large. It has been demonstrated. So how they think they can get away with it is beyond me.

  80. I have heard it is Jerry Brown


    I can tell you if this is one of the rumors floating around, someone that will push Hillary out of the convention, (again)…Brown has NO chance of fulfilling that pipe dream.

    Brown has been my Governor twice now, and Dems would NEVER, EVER vote for him over Hillary. I would bet my life on it.

    I think this plan is pure bullshit. Maybe some hate Hillary so much, they did it in 2008 when she won the popular vote, but try it again, if she wins again, and that party will go up in flames.

  81. I know nothing about Martinez.

    If you say she is alright, that is good enough for me

    Which leaves only one question unanswered:

    How many electoral votes does New Mexico have?

    As for that gutter snip Mother Jones

    Martinez could borrow a quote from Churchill:

    Tonight I am drunk and you Mother Jones are ugly.

    Tomorrow I shall be sober and you Mother Jones will still be ugly.

  82. Shadowfax
    February 21, 2016 at 4:38 pm
    ——-
    And here I thought everybody in California loved Governor Moonbeam.

  83. Wbb

    Love Brown, no.

    Like him better than Arnold, the cigar smoking R that promised he would fix everything, but instead spent his time cheating with the maid.

    Brown is at least making some headway on many of the problems in CA that have become critical, debt, water shortage, etc….but that’s it.

  84. Trump predicts he’ll face Clinton, break turnout records
    Washington (CNN)Donald Trump’s general election prediction: He’ll face Hillary Clinton, and the two will bring out “the greatest turnout in history.”
    “Frankly, if she gets indicted, that’s the only way she’s going to be stopped. I think it’s going to be Hillary and myself,” the Republican real estate mogul said Sunday in an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”
    Trump’s comments came the morning after he cruised to victory in South Carolina’s primary — giving him two wins and one second-place finish in the first three GOP contests.
    Trump said he expects to win enough delegates to clinch the Republican nomination before the party’s convention in July.
    “I don’t think we’re going to have a convention, a brokered convention. I think it’s unlikely. I think I’m doing better than that,” he said.
    He laid out his own road map to general election victory, pinpointing two states — Michigan and New York — that he said he’d sweep into the Republican column.
    “I’ll win states that aren’t in play. I’ll win states that Republicans don’t even think of,” Trump said.
    And he predicted he’d earn a “tremendous amount” of support from African-Americans.
    CNN

  85. Trump said.
    And he predicted he’d earn a “tremendous amount” of support from African-Americans.
    __________________________________________
    GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

  86. And if the retort is “Hillary is not Obama”…. my response is

    Yes… she is.

    and she reminds people of her support for Obama every chance she gets.

  87. Can Trump Be Beaten?
    BY MICHAEL WALSH FEBRUARY 21, 2016 CHAT 12 COMMENTS

    Joseph Sohm / Shutterstock.com
    I rarely agree with Frank Bruni of the New York Times about much, but he’s spot-on today:

    Over the last few months and even weeks, the question among many flabbergasted Republican traditionalists and incredulous political analysts was when the forces of gravity would catch up with Donald Trump and send him tumbling to earth. It was going to happen. Of course it was going to happen. You just had to be patient. You just had to be strong.

    But in the wake of his victories in New Hampshire and now South Carolina, the question is no longer “when.” It’s “if.” And the answer isn’t clear at all.

    Consider this: From 1980 forward, no Republican presidential candidate has won both the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries and gone on to lose the party’s nomination. And this: Over that same time period, only one Republican victor in South Carolina failed to become the nominee, and that was Newt Gingrich, in 2012. But Gingrich didn’t have Trump’s durable (and sizeable) lead in national polls. He didn’t dominate the race’s narrative and capture an exasperated electorate’s mood the way Trump has.

    As it happens, Gingrich was on Fox News on Saturday night to discuss Trump’s latest triumph, and he didn’t say: “South Carolina? It’s a muggy, marshy, inconsequential tease. I bagged it four years ago and all it got me was this gig babbling in the wee hours about election returns.” No, Gingrich marveled at what he made clear was “a huge night for Donald Trump.”

    “Nobody should kid themselves,” he added.

    It’s been frankly disheartening to me to see so many of my fellow conservatives tie themselves in knots in their frothing Trump-hatred. Let’s stipulate that everything they say about him is true, and that in any normal election year his candidacy would have been DOA. But these are not normal times, and many people don’t really seem to give a damn any more about whether the GOP stays true to “conservative principles” (when has it ever?) and what will happen on Jan. 20, 2017 should Trump win the White House.

    What we incredulous political analysts keep failing to take into account—what I was reminded of when I went to a Trump rally last week and listened hard to his supporters—is that the people voting for him aren’t evaluating him through any usual ideological lens. They’re not asking what kind of Republican he is. They’re not troubling themselves with whether the position he’s selling today matches the position he was selling yesterday or even what that old position was.

    They want to try something utterly different—utterly disruptive, to use the locution du jour—and that leaves them, on the Republican side, with the options of Trump and Ben Carson. Trump has the fire…

    Rubio hasn’t notched a single victory yet. Trump has notched two, and whether they fully lived up to the advance polling is irrelevant. They’re victories, plural. They’re no fluke, no fad.

    Naysayers can’t claim that he’s just a bad gaffe or an ugly revelation away from doom. There have already been gaffes aplenty—if you can call them gaffes. There have been revelations galore.

    All Trump’s fans see is someone barreling forward without apology and with a largeness that makes them feel a little less small. They see a winner. And it’s no longer an illusion.

    Listening to Trump’s victory speech last night, my thought was this: this is the sound of an oncoming, possibly runaway, locomotive, one that just flattened the entire Bush family: mommy, Poppy, and brother W; movement conservatives ignore it at their peril.

  88. Outris
    February 21, 2016 at 6:32 pm
    Actually….I think he WILL have good luck with that. Obama has done jack shit for AA’s and they know it.
    ——–
    Roger Simon, founder of PJMedia, and a Hollywood writer agrees with you:

    “Here’s the one thing that excites me most about a Trump candidacy. He just might tear down that wall — while he builds the other one. Yes, that sounds crazy, but Trump is the kind of guy who can walk into black communities and command their attention. He’s the one who can say — listen up, you doofuses. You’ve been ripped off for years. These Democrats are worse than the Chinese. Why don’t you try something new? And here’s a hat!

    Don’t laugh. It could work. Everything’s up for grabs this year. And if it does, it will change politics as we know it. If Donald Trump can break the stranglehold of the Democratic Party on African-Americans, he will have done something fabulous for this country and for black people. Is there anything more pernicious than identity politics? (Well, maybe political correctness, but they’re symbiotic.)”

  89. And do not forget the Stump for Trump Sisters, beautiful African AMERICAN women who know their communities are in deep deep trouble and what it is that would help. They want a piece of the cake instead of just the crumbs. And you know DT has taken note of them.

  90. Outris

    February 21, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Actually….I think he WILL have good luck with that. Obama has done jack shit for AA’s and they know it.
    ________________________________________

    It doesn’t matter, O can walk down a street and shoot ten people. Just like Trump they would still vote for him.

    I was in Walmart talking to some African American men. They said they would never vote for Trump. Some said their parents do not like Trump. They do like Hillary.

  91. I noticed that Robio has picked up that same cadence in his speeches that BO uses. You will hear that from a preacher at a revival meeting and from a snake oil salesman.

  92. Some people are going around telling the blacks if they vote for Trump he is going to ship them back to Africa, I know this is silly to believe this would ever happen.

  93. neetabug
    February 21, 2016 at 7:13 pm
    I’m not inferring that all blacks will vote for Trump… But I think there will be a larger portion than usual that will vote for Trump because of his platform. As with your Walmart conversations, I’ve had conversations with my black coworkers as well and they prefer Trump. They don’t want O part three.

  94. neetabug
    February 21, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    I was in Walmart talking to some African American men. They said they would never vote for Trump. Some said their parents do not like Trump. They do like Hillary.

    ————————
    They like Hillary, but will they get out the vote for her? Maybe some. A black male friend of mine who was/is a big BObot says the same thing. He likes Hillary, but I know he just does not identify with her the way he did BO. BO motivated the turnout in a way Hillary will have more difficulty with. 80% of African Americans prefer the DNC while 11% the GOP. Just listen to those tapes of his from 20 years ago when he said the money going out of the country should have been put in to the inner cities. Trump is for real and smart AA’s are going to see it. Trump could take that 11% and make it 30-40%. That would be a victory.

  95. Outris

    February 21, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    neetabug
    February 21, 2016 at 7:13 pm
    I’m not inferring that all blacks will vote for Trump… But I think there will be a larger portion than usual that will vote for Trump because of his platform. As with your Walmart conversations, I’ve had conversations with my black coworkers as well and they prefer Trump. They don’t want O part three.
    ____________________________________

    I understand. You will also notice that voter turn out during the primary will be low. They will be gearing up for the election in Nov.
    There is this one girl going around lecturing the black youth. When she talks they listen.

  96. They said they would never vote for Trump.
    ———-
    Well, never is a long time, and what they say may be different from what they do. They tell you now that they support Hillary? Was that also the case in 2008? I run into the same thing here. One of my class mates lives in Bellevue where so many self important people today reside, whereas I cannot help but think back to the period after World War II when this was all farmland and try as I might I simply cannot bring myself to be impressed. He is mortified at the prospect of being a Republican. In the circles he travels in part of the golden handshake is to declare that he is a democrat and an elitist, which is like being a meat eating vegetarian. What he says publicly and what he does privately in the absence of social pressure may be very different.

  97. Some people are going around telling the blacks if they vote for Trump he is going to ship them back to Africa, I know this is silly to believe this would ever happen.
    ————
    Sounds like the kind of lies Haley Barbour was telling them in Mississippi to get them to vote in the Republican primary to fend off a grass roots challenger to the senile adulterer establishment senator Thaddeus Cochrane.

  98. neetabug
    February 21, 2016 at 7:19 pm
    ——————————

    So now AA’s are illegal immigrants? Who would believe that?

    The thing is that Trump has been effective in getting his message out. Maybe it is not reaching everywhere. But I think he has the advantage of being for real. That it is about bringing the whole country up, not just the white folks. He does have a social conscious for the socioeconomically disadvantaged that includes our minority communities.

  99. Some are saying they are picking on O. They are saying he can’t get anything done in congress because he is black.

    I am just saying.

    Don’t shoot the messenger

  100. Lu4PUMA

    February 21, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    neetabug
    February 21, 2016 at 7:19 pm
    ——————————

    So now AA’s are illegal immigrants? Who would believe that?
    ___________________________________
    That’s the word out there. You can tell them it is not true. Some people just don’t want to listen

  101. neetabug,

    People are being lied to. BO had the majority in the House and Senate for the first two years of his office. He could have done anything he wanted. He served Wall Street. He has served Wall Street his entire time in office. Wall Street and Islam. Those who excuse him because of race, are very lost souls.

    If you want some good information that AA’s may relate to, see these ladies and pass them around: http://www.diamondandsilkinc.com/

  102. The one truly sad thing about the Obama presidency is that is it has set race relation back decades. I don’t know if all of the hate on both sides was just being suppressed, but I have not seen ordinarily very non-prejudicial people become very bitter towards one another. For me, it started when they called Bill a racist in South Carolina.

  103. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-21/jesse-jackson-to-south-carolina-churchgoers-if-you-voted-yesterday-you-need-a-real-prayer
    ___________________________________
    This is what Jessie Jackson said about the SC election.

    Jesse Jackson to South Carolina Churchgoers: ‘If You Voted Yesterday, You Need a Real Prayer’

    Longtime civil rights leaders warns of `a toxic wind blowing’ in the country and urges blacks to get out and vote

    “I am-” the Rev. Jesse Jackson called out to the black congregation at First Nazareth Baptist Church in Columbia, South Carolina, and they shouted it back, knowing what he’d say next.

    “Somebody!” their famous guest preacher bellowed in turn.

    The morning after Donald Trump won the state’s Republican presidential primary, Jackson, the longtime civil rights figure and past presidential candidate, came to this large church a mile from where the Confederate flag finally came down last year with a prayer, and a prophecy. He was blunt: If they don’t turn out to vote in the general election in November, Republicans, perhaps at the hands of a billionaire reality-TV star, will tear down the progress of Barack Obama’s two terms as the nation’s first black president.

    “I hear the phrase, ‘Make America great again,’” said Jackson, reciting Trump’s campaign slogan with a tone of disbelief. “This is the best America’s ever been!”

    He called Trump’s slogan a “throwback in time,” a coded message to appeal to white voters with a nostalgia for the Old South, and said there is a “tug of war for the soul of America” under way. By not voting, Jackson said, “We’re building our own wall.”

    “So much we’ve fought for is now in jeopardy again,” Jackson said. “There’s a toxic wind blowing in the country today” and a “violent undercurrent” to the political debate.

    For Jackson, 74, who was born and raised in South Carolina, the recent days have been a sort of homecoming, on familiar ground with a familiar mission, getting out the vote. He’s urging people to turn out for South Carolina’s Democratic primary on Feb. 27, where Jackson has said he won’t endorse either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, both of whom he’s known for decades. He’s also looking ahead to November’s general election, when South Carolina is considered a solidly Republican state. His goal appears to be to test that premise by convincing the state’s overwhelmingly Democratic-voting black population that it has a stake in what happens in November.

    Jackson said he wouldn’t tell the crowd who to pick next Saturday but that “if you voted yesterday, you need a real prayer.”

    The people in the pews certainly knew their star preacher, even if some of them weren’t even born when he made his landmark runs for president in the 1980s.

    DeAndre Edmonds, 24, said he is wavering between Clinton, who he sees as more experienced and probably better poised to defeat the Republican nominee, and Sanders, whose energy he finds attractive. Edmonds said that “the scary part” of watching Trump is thinking he could be the Republican nominee or the next U.S. president.

    Stephanie Bowen, 46, recalled that it was Jackson who’d registered her to vote when he came to speak at her college in 1988. She’s already decided to vote for Clinton.

    “It was a wakeup call,” she said of Jackson’s sermon.

    Saturday’s primary here isn’t just about who’s running but about what’s on their agendas, Jackson said, urging the congregation to press candidates from both parties to focus on the problems in their state.

    One-fourth of South Carolina is living in poverty, he said. Blacks comprise about 30 percent of the state’s population but make up three-fourths of the prison population and hold only a tiny share of state contracts. Unity, he said, not isolating immigrants and refugees and Muslims, is the answer. “Build coalitions,” he said. “Most poor people in this state are white.”

    “Finally, the flag is down, but the agenda is not,” Jackson said of the Confederate flag politicians agreed to remove from the South Carolina capitol last summer as the world watched. He said the “SEC Primary” nickname given to the Republican primaries on March 1 should instead be “the Confederate primary: That’s old, backwards, Make-America-Great-Again politics.”

    “The hands that picked cotton will pick presidents!” Jackson intoned. “Let me hear you!”

  104. Some are saying they are picking on O. They are saying he can’t get anything done in congress because he is black.
    ————
    I heard the same thing from a couple of older women who had invested their heart, mind and libido in his candidacy. They became very animated when they spoke about him and expected me to join in their reverie. When I pointed out to them that his efforts to create a new heaven and a new earth fell somewhat short of the mark, they reverted to the same argument you noted, i.e. he would have, he would have, he would have, if it were not for those racist republicans, who cannot stand to see a black man in the white house. Neither one of them could face reality, which is that the voters gave him both houses of congress and the presidency and he had them for two full years, and did nothing. Listening to this crap, I wondered at what point does magic thinking become a pathology. And to what extent does it contradict the premise of self government? In a word, it is just plain nuts.

  105. If Trump won and he succeeded in raising the standard of living with black people, then the reverend Jackson would be out of business. Ironically, that is the same concern that the Republican establishment has. They profit from discord and they do not want the nations problems solved. I have run into this same thing with environmentalists and power companies when it comes to dam removal and salmon escapement. If the problem is solved–and we had a technological solution and Indian support, but the parties to the dispute had more to gain by not agreeing than by agreeing, and the governor of our state who I went to high school with does not have the stones to lay down the law with them. That is the other difference with Trump–he could force settlements which are in the public interest, and not worry about donors.

  106. Its like all this energy which is about to be wasted speculating on whether Congress will confirm whoever the joker appoints to fill the supreme court vacancy. Jeffrey Tubesteak and the rest of the “legal experts” will be opining on this subject until hell won’t have it anymore, and the only way I will listen to that prick is if Glenn Greenwald is on the opposite side preparing to take that arrogant dufus down. This is not worth reporting and not worth listening to because there is no way it will happen. But big media will waste a month on this crap, rather than focusing on things that matter.

  107. JB…I like Jeffery Lord…he is cool, calm and collected…and a gentleman…

    ****************************************************************

    wbboei

    February 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    Can Trump Be Beaten?

    *****************************

    wbboei,

    that whole interview with Gingrich was from his appearance on Hannity last night (Sat)…

    and in fact, Gingrich went even further while discussing Trump and the establishment with Hannity…

    he went on to talk about how smart Trump is…how he is a serious man and a man who is descisive and makes and has made “big” worldwide decisions…etc, etc, etc

    it was a very good interview and one of the few honest and insightful discussions on the serious, ‘deeper’ side of Trump that is not always on display…

  108. Lu,
    AA’s are going to see Trump is smart and vote for him? Don’t bet the mortgage on it. They vote the way their Black leaders tell them to.
    Trump will siphon off a few Black votes, but the Black money train will whip them up in a hurry. Look at Jackson, already calling Trump a Slave Master in so any words.
    It’s just starting. Never has anyone gone broke betting on the stupidity of the American. Other and race politics are dumber still.
    Hillary and the Democratic’s will help them beat the drum, she already is. Sickening. ..

  109. When are those people going to realize that Jackson is making things up, because if Trump gets elected and makes things better for everyone, Jackson won’t have his grievance industry anymore.

  110. oops sorry wbboei, I should have kept reading, you already said what I just said.

    I wonder if Trump might ever bring that up….

    If you want to live off taxpayer benefits and never have a choice, vote for Hillary or Bernie…

    If you want a job and a chance to succeed, vote for Trump….

  111. This phone,makes me scream, changes words constantly even after viewing and hitting post.

    That was suppose to read stupidity of the American public and race politics are dumber still.
    Let’s see what posts!

  112. But they won’t have a choice, just like Hillary doesn’t anymore. She answers to the money handlers, that contract has been signed, sealed, and delivered.
    Those who think Hillary will do a 180 after the primaries apparently don’t realize she or her family will pay with their very lives…That sounds conspiracy cray cray, but I Think It’s true. It’s a pack with the devil and the devil will get his due…It may not be physical, but it would be painful and permanent.

  113. gonzo, I’m not sure how she can do that… she has boxed herself into where she is, I think. Her opponent will have lots of video to attack her flip flopping…

  114. Tony Stark
    February 21, 2016 at 10:07 pm
    THE GOP Establishment essentially spent all that money putting lipstick on a bunch of little piggies hoping the voters would kiss them on the lips.
    ——
    Howard

    Dean

    Fat

    Deranged

    Pig

    That he is, is nevertheless inclined to say things he should not say, but in the heat of the moment, and without thinking, out pops the truth, and then he and the rest of his klansmen sit there and let the moment pass hoping that no one will remember what the pig said.

    But I remember, vividly, what Dean said in 2008:

    THIS IS OUR TURN TO RULE

    Now, just think about that statement and all it implies.

    Rule, he said, not govern. He said rule.

    Kings rule, dictators rule, tyrants rule.

    But in a representative democracy leaders are supposed to govern.

    And they are supposed to serve the public interest.

    And when he says “our turn” it suggest what does that tell you?

    It confirms what many of us believe which is that the game is rigged.

    What a glaring admission against interest.

    What a paradigmatic example of gutspilling.

    Which confirms that what we have here is an oligarchy, not a democracy.

    UNLESS you believe I am reading too much into his spontaneous outburst.

  115. Obama has, singlehandedly, destroyed the post world war II international order, and the global prosperity which goes with it. NOTHING COULD BE MORE CLEAR TO THE OBJECTIVE OBSERVER THAN THAT. And, I–I shall not scruple to call anyone who denies that incontrovertable fact, a liar. The lynchpin of that order was political alliances, backed by our willingness to take down any regime in any region who threatened the delicate balance, and to promote evolution toward democracy where that was possible, but not revolution, except to depose left wing dictatorships like Allende, which is as real to leftists as the prosecution of Alger Hiss or the Hollywood. They cite these cases as examples of American imperialism, and McCarthyism, as if they themselves are not guilty of the same damned thing when they get power–look at this asshole in the White House today and tell me they are any better. After world war II, we stepped into Britain’s shoes, and became the essential nation, the guarantor of the stability of the international system. Obama destroyed all that and as we look at the chaos throughout the world which is filling the vaacum one is reminded again of the French King–apres moi le deluge. By Richard’s lights ground zero of this will be the British elections this summer.

    The Autumn Leaves
    BY RICHARD FERNANDEZ FEBRUARY 21, 2016 CHAT 23 COMMENTS

    Opening door or closing window?

    One sign that international power relationships are changing has been the increasing tendency among some countries to strike out on their own. For a long time it was accepted wisdom that there was no future for Britain outside of Europe. Now there is a significant chance that the UK will leave the European Union. London Mayor Boris Johnson and 6 cabinet ministers, including Justice Secretary Michael Gove declared they would campaign for Britain to leave the EU in a referendum to be held in the summer of 2016.

    In South Korea, another reversal is taking shape. For the first time in history major South Korean politicians are seriously considering acquiring nuclear weapons, besides taking steps to deploy an anti-ballistic missile system in response to North Korean nuclear tests and missile launches. Old taboos are crumbling at the ground level. The New York Times notes that in “a survey conducted by the Asan Institute for Policy Studies in Seoul shortly after the North’s third nuclear test in 2013, 66.5 percent of respondents supported a homegrown nuclear program.”

    Two former senior military officers, one American the other Japanese, described the growing fear in Asia that Washington could no longer be counted on to extend its deterrent umbrella over allies. Retired Admiral Dennis Blair, former CINCPAC is Chairman and Lt. Gen. Masayuki Hironaka (Ret.) former head of the Japanese air force warned “the United States, Japan and Korea must reassess whether American extended deterrence in East Asia is still strong”.

    Those doubts may in part be fueled by the behavior of the Obama administration, which allowed itself to be slapped across the face by Pyongyang. “Days before North Korea’s latest nuclear-bomb test, the Obama administration secretly agreed to talks to try to formally end the Korean War, dropping a longstanding condition that Pyongyang first take steps to curtail its nuclear arsenal.” The article explains that Obama was so eager to replicate his Iran deal with North Korea that he led with his chin which gave Kim Jong Un the opportunity to sucker-punch him.

    Mr. Obama has pointed to the Iran deal to signal to North Korea that he is open to a similar track with the regime of Kim Jong Un.
    Instead the U.S. called for North Korea’s atomic-weapons program to be simply part of the talks. Pyongyang declined the counter-proposal, according to U.S. officials familiar with the events. Its nuclear test on Jan. 6 ended the diplomatic gambit.

    The New York Times notes that South Korean skeptics were growing doubtful that Washington would go to the wall for Seoul.

    “We must ask ourselves whether the United States will save Seoul at the risk of sacrificing L.A. or San Francisco,” Chung Mong-joon, a former head of the governing party, wrote in a widely circulated blog post, warning of the North’s potential for striking the United States with a nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missile.
    Obama was certainly not going to the wall for the rebels it sponsored in Syria. “The Obama administration is allowing moderate Syrian rebels, which the U.S. spent hundreds of millions training and equipping, to be slowly destroyed, experts warn. The groups are targeted by Russian air strikes … The attacks have led to criticism that the administration is standing by while its allies are killed.”

    “Beggars can’t be choosers,” said one former Obama official, explaining their administration’s indifference to the rebel’s fate. The lesson cannot have been lost on American allies. With the New York Times reporting that fighting is picking up in Ukraine, many allied countries must seriously be asking themselves how far Obama would go meet multiple simultaneous challenges.

    The resumption of hostilities in Ukraine, with exchanges of machine gun and mortar fire across the front line up to levels not seen since last summer, suggests a willingness by Russia, which supports the rebels in eastern Ukraine, to sustain two conflicts at once. In late September, Russia began airstrikes in Syria on behalf of the government of President Bashar al-Assad.
    Putin’s strategy of focusing differential pressure on parts of the American alliance was deliberate strategy aaccording to George Will. He argued in 2014 that Putin could leverage Obama’s indecision into stress fractures that Russia could use “break up NATO … if you listen to Putin’s language and watch his body language, it’s obvious that he is having the time of his life and he thinks he is winning.”

    The need by countries to defend themselves and the president’s almost perverse inclination to prevent it is putting shear forces on the alliance. That is illustrated by an International Business Times map of NATO expenditures which contrasts the double-digit defense expenditure hikes of Eastern European states with the flat or even negative military budget growth of Western European countries. It is a map of two Europes: one determined to fight for its life, and the other according to the Slovak Prime Minister, equally determined to commit “ritual suicide”. It is telling that the Obama administration has come out forcefully against Britain’s exit from the European Union, that is to say on behalf of suicide.

    But last year, when Obama urged Britons to stay in the bloc, he drew near-universal calls for him to butt out of British domestic affairs — underlining the risk that American officials and companies face in inserting themselves into the debate.
    “The British public have gone completely skeptical of the United States’ foreign policy intentions,” said Kurt Volker, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO.

    That may not have put Obama off, with the president planning another attempt to sway British voters. “I know the president is planning to make a pretty big public reach-out in this regard,” Bob Corker said.

    Just as everyone is trying to unshackled the anvil clamped round their legs, Obama is working feverishly to clamp them back on. But foreseeable events are likely to negate Obama’s “big public reach-out”. Events are likely to work against the Narrative. The summer and fall of 2016 will be crucial months. The UK’s decision to stay in the EU will depend largely on whether public fears of uncontrolled immigration can be mitigated by EU pressure on Turkey to stop hundreds of thousands of refugees from reaching European borders. But with Turkey itself in an unprecedented state in crisis it will have other fish to fry and the migrant tide will probably peak in the warm months of June, just as British voters go to the polls, and just as the wars in the Middle East move into high gear.

    Obama can say what he likes, but the headlines are likely message against him. With the American presidential elections starting to peak at around then, the last months of 2016 bids fair to be one of the more interesting periods in modern history.

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  116. “Nikki Haley serves Jeb and Ted their last suppers, then resurrects Marco:”
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    This tells me a whole lot about Nicky Haley. It’s all about her political future and who might benefit her.
    No loyalty. Didn’t she send out an emergency message to Jeb for help when she realized she was going to
    win the governership of SC? How was she going to get a transition team in place and how was she going to
    govern? Jeb supposedly sent help.

    Not a fan of Nicky. She is big time establishment and marches to their drumbeat seemingly.

  117. Interesting is it not.

    Here they were boiling the frog, hoping no one would notice, promoting multi culturalism, deploring western tradition, and then, then slam bang alacazam—that pesky flood of invaders from the middle east raping, pillaging and screaming Alah Acbar. And now the Ritz Carlton set are looking at their hole card, fearing public reaction, censoring it where possible, but still those flames and fires creep over the walls of their virtual citadel. Give me a net worth tax–on them, and I will gladly shut the fuck up, because this would have a great leveling effect, and would help them understand something which they do not understand, namely that their hair brained schemes to fashion the world in their image and sit there on Mount Olympus saying things like what fools these mortals be have direct personal consequences to them.

  118. Southern Born
    February 22, 2016 at 11:05 am
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    Agreed. An unprincipled RINO. Bobby Jindal is better looking. Yuk.

  119. I would prefer that Bobby go though a Bruce Jenner operation and emerge as a better than Haley. But, as the New York Times person of the year–gender bender Jenner observed, it is easier to be a trangender in Hollywood than it is to be a Republican, even when George Looney and his immigration activist better half are meeting with Merkel trying to decide what can be done to aid and abet the Muslim refugees. Hey dumbshit, open up your estate in Italy to a few thousand of them, and problem solved. Or, you can do what you are more likely to do, to keep out the pavarotzi–build a wall.

  120. “Each generation has faced its own challenge [in America]. Now our moment has come. Now our time has arrived,” the 44-year-old Marco Rubio declared at a big rally in Nashville, TN.

    Great Balls o’ Fire!!! Where have we heard that before. Remember in 2008…we (meaning I) are the ones we have been waiting for so said Barack Obama…remember.

  121. Just read this comment about Marco’s speech.

    “I don’t know if Rubio’s “Time Has Arrived”…….but the GOPe money certainly has, and that will pay for 10 more “speeches” to memorize.”

  122. I would prefer that Bobby go though a Bruce Jenner operation and emerge as a better than Haley
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    funny stuff wbboei..

  123. Reagan biographer Craig Shirley noted that problem with politicians like Nikki Haley, she doesn’t understand (what it means to be a conservative), as soon as she became elected, she became part of the establishment. That’s just a given.”

    He went on to point out Reagan as one of a very few politicians who were able to hold office, yet continue to be seen as an “outsider” of sorts.

    Shirley characterized frontrunner Donald Trump as a threat to the establishment and said, “Any time someone is a threat to the establishment, they are going to be attacked … because the establishment likes being in power. And they like holding onto power and they like being in control.”

    There is great meaning in Jeb Bush’s demise. This is not simply the loss of Carly Fiorina or Rick Santorum.

    Jeb’s loss is the loss of an entire culture. It means the established order is waning, the donor class of the GOP no longer holds sway, and the power no longer resides with the party committees.

    It means those writers and organizations and publications and individuals who subscribed to a New World Order and Big Government Republicanism are also in steep decline. It is yet another indications that the party is returning to the federalism of Ronald Reagan, to American conservatism. The party is going back to the future.

  124. http://nypost.com/2016/02/22/giuliani-is-trumps-campaign-consigliere/

    Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani is part of Donald Trump’s kitchen cabinet, giving campaign advice to the GOP front-runner, whom he described as a “close personal friend.”

    Giuliani hasn’t endorsed any candidate yet in the 2016 race, but said he’s counseled Trump several times in the past month.

    “We’ve been talking. Donald and me, Donald and a few other friends who know politics,” Giuliani told the Washington Post.

    “He calls to check things out or I’ll call him to say, ‘Donald, you’re going too far’ or ‘What you said was great’ or maybe ‘Change it a bit.’ It’s nothing formal. It’s kind of a running conversation.”

    Traditional candidates have a team of advisers and political operatives, but Trump’s run to the top of the GOP food chain has appeared to be a one-man show.

    “There is candor and there is trust,” Giuliani said of his relationship with Trump

    Giuliani said Trump leans on advisers and is more open to suggestions than the real estate maverick lets on.

    “He is calling a lot of people, listening but doing what he thinks he needs to do,” Giuliani said. “He listens respectfully, says he’ll consider whatever it is you send him. Sometimes he uses what we send him, sometime he doesn’t.”

    Trump, who finished second in Iowa before scoring decisive victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina, still appears to be persona non grata with mainline Republican leadership.

    But two-term mayor Giuliani said heavyweight Republicans are quietly keeping in back-channel touch with Trump.

    Giuliani declined to out those Republicans: “I could easily list off some names for you, but that’s for Donald to say.”

    Trump confirmed in an email to the Washington Post on Sunday night that he’s leaned on Rudy for advice.

    “Rudy is a very knowledgeable friend. I consider his counsel very important,” Trump wrote.

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    hmmm…the band of Northeastern guys…DT, Guiliani…Christie…could be formidable down the road…

  125. Foxy…a paragraph from the WP article you posted regarding Rudy and others…

    Trump’s effort to create a private sounding board of associates and allies is the latest example of how he is broadening his outreach beyond the small team of policy aides who work on his campaign. And it underscores how the Republican establishment, which once firmly opposed his candidacy, is beginning to have warmer relations with the candidate, especially as his chances of clinching the nomination improve with each primary win.

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    btw…there is a very peculiar article about Rubio on Radaronline…

  126. If I were Donald Trump, I would be expecting an attack from the black establishment. Remember, he does not hit first, but he does hit back. I would expect he would have a plan. They still do not get it, how they empower him when they attack. He is using their own power against them. The rubber man. This is how to defeat opponents many times you size and strength.

    Watch.

  127. NIRP Chatter on the rise:

    At length, the central bankers will go for the real thing—-NIRP in the neighborhoods were people actually live and try to save a nest egg. To be sure, a pipe smoking economist is liable to say that there is no appreciable difference between positive 30 basis points and negative 30 basis points on a CD.

    Yes there is. The negative sign will be the great political inflection point. The negative sign will be the flashing neon lights announcing that the government is confiscating the people’s savings and wealth.

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/silver-linings-keynesian-central-banking-is-heading-for-a-massive-repudiation/

  128. If I were Donald Trump, I would be expecting an attack from the black establishment. Remember, he does not hit first, but he does hit back. I would expect he would have a plan. They still do not get it, how they empower him when they attack. He is using their own power against them. The rubber man. This is how to defeat opponents many times you size and strength.

    Watch
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    Will not be as easy as it has been mouthing off at Cruz and Rubio.
    Megan Kelly etc. They don’t know how to come back on him. I guarantee you if he did this to any blacks there would be hell to pay.

  129. …driving in my car I heard someone say that Cruz reminds them of a vampire…

    Yes…that is what it is…a while back I said he reminded me of a silent movie actor…couldn’t quite put my finger on it…

    but yes…Cruz looks like he is out of central casting to be a vampire…

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    btw…then I get home and hear he has had to fire Tyler, his campaign spokesperson, for misquoting and questioning Robio on his religion and a bible…

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    yep, a blood sucking vampire…Donald nailed Cruz as a liar and nasty person from the start…no wonder evangelicals are even turning away from him towards DT

  130. “I heard someone say that Cruz reminds them of a vampire…”
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    Looks mainly matter to some people and we got in that mess 8 years ago. Obama looked like a clean well spoken black man (according to Joe Biden) with sharp creases in his pants. He was so handsome gals fainted at his events. He was cool, he had a wonderful smile, he could give great teleprompter speeches, he was a constitutional professor supposedly, he had written books (about himself) supposedly ;), he had been to Harvard and was supposedly the head of the Law Review, he looked great in his clothes, and on and on and on and look what we got.

    At this point, I’d say give me NOT a baby face cute guy but give me a vampire looking guy who really loves America, has argued before the Supreme Court, is truly smart, one who will stand up to the establishment, etc instead. And I’m not even a Cruz voter.

  131. neetabug
    February 22, 2016 at 3:45 pm
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    Suddenly, Jesse Jackson’s pretty darn happy with America
    By Thomas Lifson

    Jesse Jackson has turned away from denouncing America’s faults to proclaiming, “This is the best America’s ever been!” If you’re wondering what brought about this miraculous transformation, the answer is simple: Donald Trump.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/02/suddenly_jesse_jacksons_pretty_darn_happy_with_america.html#ixzz40wJ9FOSI
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