#IowaCaucus #GroundhogDay: The Empire Strikes Back

Has “Trump fever” broken? Did Hillary win? Is the prairie fire doused? Has Big Media won? No!

Big Media is the enemy. Megyn Kelly at Fox News spoke with Marc Thiessen and Chris Stirewalt of Fox News last night and they all chortled. They said Donald Trump lost in Iowa because he defied Fox News by not attending their debate. Later Peter Johnson, the co-author along with Roger Ailes of the anti-Trump sneer memo that set Trump against the Fox News debate, also declared it was Trump’s defiance of Fox News that doomed him. Just about every Fox News mouth assured himself/herself that it was Trump’s defiance of Fox News that sealed defeat. This morning on Fox Business News, John McCain’s Hefty Hideaway girl, the other Meghan, likewise declared that Trump had defied Fox News and therein lay his defeat.

For Donald Trump and his supporters the lesson from last night is that the fight will not be over in one fell chop in Iowa. Instead it will be a long slough. Worst, it demonstrated that an inspirational campaign that brings out voters will not work without a tiresome campaign machinery. It was the Lincolnshire Rising/Pilgrimage of Grace come to America. If there is deep down misery in the Trump loss it is this combined set of reality. This is the lost hope from our predictions article yesterday:

First, a Donald Trump win will be a victory of an inspirational, mass movement campaign of the people, over a technocratic data driven machine that thinks of people as an old IBM card to be folded, spindled, and mutilated (although the Trump campaign claims a well run ground game it prefers to keep secret). Second, a Donald Trump win will be a great victory in the war against Big Media corruption of our politics, in this case one which specifically targets Fox News and hopefully in the future monstrosities such as NBC, MSNBC, and the rest of the Big Media monsters. Big Media is the enemy.

Fox News had a great night last night. We hope that Donald Trump is not cowed by last night and that he continues to fight Big Media.

Why did Fox News have a great night? Because their illegal immigration amnesty shill, the silver fork-tongued Marco Rubio had a great night.

The moment Donald J. Trump defied Fox News with his boycott of the Fox News debate, Fox News went into overdrive in ceaseless promotion of Marco Rubio. At Fox News every show became a Marco Rubio field office. It worked. Rubio became the designated anti-Cruz in the multi candidate race in which Trump and Cruz traded blows which annoyed the public, and votes flowed to him. Rubio had a great night.

The ostensible winner, Ted Cruz, this morning analyzed his victory as one that came about because of his strong attacks against “New York values”. If that is what Ted Cruz believes, Iowa will be a costly victory. To the extent “New York values” attacks resonated in Iowa it is due to the high evangelical population of the Iowa GOP. In New Hampshire the “New York values” attack will not meet with success. For Ted Cruz the question now is where does he replicate his Iowa victory? Does the Cruz victory now result in a poll shift in his favor in New Hampshire?

As to Marco Rubio, he had a great night. Rubio is now the designated candidate of the GOP establishment. Rubio’s problem is that in New Hampshire there are still plenty of other establishment candidates that hold vain hopes of victory. Kasich, Christie, and even the hapless Jeb await their Alamo. As to Jeb Bush, what will the former designated candidate of the GOP establishment do now? Jeb Bush still has $58 million in his SuperPac. Will Jeb Bush spend his cash in attacks against Rubio? Will Jeb Bush quit? Will Jeb Bush attack Trump? What will Jeb Bush do now with his cash?

Donald J. Trump? Trump did not need to win in Iowa. Trump does need to win New Hampshire. Trump has led in New Hampshire with such wide leads that he has a very good chance to follow the now traditional path of losing Iowa, winning New Hampshire.

Last night Trump defied the predictions of Trump haters with a strong, yet gracious, concession speech. There were no denunciations from Trump. It was all loveliness. It conveyed strength even as it was a retreat, think Dunkirk and George Washington. Trump congratulated “everybody” and thanked Iowa.



Donald J. Trump had reasons for his happy warrior, happy competitor, good humor. Premier Trump haters know why Trump’s demeanor was not that of a man defeated but an “on to New Hampshire” confidence. Trump hater Erick Erickson’s The Resurgent:

Donald Trump Is Just Getting Started

For the last seven months I have warned of the menace that is the Donald Trump campaign. [snip]

Trump didn’t win first place in the caucus, but he did place very respectably in 2nd place, and he did so with almost no GOTV organization to speak of. [snip]

Trump was able to do what most thought impossible, he got people to show up without a GOTV operation on the ground going door to door. [snip]

If he can do this in a caucus, which requires the voter to go out and stay out for a rather long time just to cast a series of votes, he can certainly do it in a primary. When you get right down to it, Donald Trump got nearly 40,000 people to show up on a cold February night when a blizzard is on the horizon. That’s no joke.

We have a series of proportional states forthcoming in which we could possibly see Trump pull higher numbers than he has here in Iowa precisely because it can be done with less organization.

What should scare everyone now is if there are any indications Trump decides this was a good opening negotiation point by the voters and begins spending on organization now in earnest.

After all, we know this was just the opening round and Trump isn’t done yet.

The Trump haters from the former Red State that banned Trump from their events are not alone is their red flag warnings:

The guy’s basically half-assing his campaign and he still beat the Great Establishment Hope for second place (I think) and nearly knocked off the hyper-organized, hyper-competent Cruz campaign. He’s no joke. And thanks to a divided moderate field, there’s still every reason to think he’ll win New Hampshire. I’ll leave you with this: Trump now at 41,812 votes, bigger than Huckabee’s 2008 total. That’s a real constituency.

Last night, Ted Cruz survived. That is the sum total of his achievement. Cruz’s long winded victory speech was not a plus. For Iowa, the state can congratulate itself because it did its job: winnow the field. Now New Hampshire and a long campaign of struggle, not a politics of joy.

Iowa not only provided a list of the candidates left standing it removed some of the least favorites from contention. Santorum is gone officially or not. Huckabee has suspended his campaign. Carly Fiorina will hang on till New Hampshire as will Kasich, Christie, Paul, Carson, Bush. But with no more second tier debates they are out unofficially and after New Hampshire they will be out officially.

As to the Democrats, Hillary’s miserable “success” prevents us from declaring a complete rout to our predictions. Hillary’s “victory” is as sleazy as Obama’s victory only less of a victory. Why sleazy? We have no idea what the vote total is. The Democrats are not reporting vote totals. Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats are giving us the percentage of the delegates won under the arcane rules of the Iowa Democratic Party. This is disgusting. Anyone who comments on the Iowa results on the Dim side without mention that the Iowa Democrats will not tell us what the votes of the people are get a digital slap in the face from us. Let’s see the votes, not the phony delegate distribution controlled by party cheats and sleazebags.

The only “news” from Iowa on the Dim side is that we can now thank the cornfields that Martin O’Malley retired from the race. That’s the good news.

Who won? Who knows? We do know that Bernie Sanders needed a victory in Iowa in order to sustain the delusion that Bernie Sanders will get the nomination. Bernie Sanders will not get the nomination. All Bernie Sanders can do is prevent Hillary from the title “President Hillary”.

Iowa was a “must win” state for Bernie Sanders in the same way that Iowa was a “must win” state for Ted Cruz. Cruz got his “must win” but it likely is his penultimate win or last win.

For Bernie Sanders, the “must win” is a bit more complicated. Bernie Sanders’ “must win” Iowa was always a survival strategy to hurt Hillary. To that extent Bernie Sanders got his win.

As of this morning, we do not have a unanimous declaration of Hillary victory in Iowa, nor even an official declaration of anything. It’s still too close. As of today Hillary’s margin of “victory” is less than half a percent. But as we wrote,

Bernie Sanders needs a win. Nothing less. A loss of a quarter point won’t be worth a gallon of piss. Bernie Sanders needs a win.

Bernie Sanders did not get the win. The “win” is useful in most campaigns as it builds momentum for later victories. Bernie Sanders did not get the “win” but neither did Hillary. Hillary did not lose but Hillary did not win. Hillary’s best would have been not only to block Sanders but a victory that would have helped her:

The best that Hillary Clinton can expect is a win of more than 10 points that flattens Bernie Sanders – which gives her momentum and lays to rest all the doubts we and many others have expressed with barely concealed contempt. Hillary should have packed this Bernie loon into the lake a long time ago. But she couldn’t because she believes she can get the kooks to like and vote for her. That is delusional. So for Hillary, a victory will be a win that destroys Sanders, but it won’t get her much other than a victory over a loon.

Bernie Sanders did not win. Why didn’t Hillary win? Hillary didn’t win because the barely detectable margin of “victory” assures that Bernie Sanders will continue to drag Hillary further and further and further to the left and oblivion.

Bernie Sanders is already talking about “voter irregularities” and a possible recount. We don’t know what that means and all it does is, nothing. For Bernie it is a gallon of piss, but for Hillary, well:

How Iowa went wrong for Hillary Clinton

Her vaunted field organization performed as expected. But she didn’t.

DES MOINES – Monday night was Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign in miniature – it began with high hopes of a doubt-eradicating victory and ended with that same old anxiety, an inch beyond the jaws of an underdog. [snip]

Iowa wasn’t just supposed to be a tentative first step in Clinton’s inevitable march to the Democratic nomination, it was meant to be the cornerstone of a rebuilt political persona – and her national team was built from Iowa outward, with a foundational goal of winning here, and winning big.

But nothing is ever easy with Hillary Clinton – especially not here — and her inability to ride a first-class ground organization to triumph underscores the candidate’s weakness and the lack of a message that resonates with primary voters. [snip]

“You’re going to see a bounce in Bernie’s step tomorrow, the first evidence that their message may have taken hold,” said Mo Elleithee, a communications adviser to Clinton’s 2008 campaign. [snip]

How Clinton squandered such a commanding advantage in Iowa is an all-too familiar tale with echoes of 2008, of grit and a top-dollar organization undercut by the candidate’s flaws, the stubborn ambivalence of a state that has now delivered two embarrassments – but above all her inability to capture the zeitgeist of her own party.

Monday began with Clinton’s internal polling pointing to a tight but comfy five-point lead and ended with an essentially deadlocked result that her team chose to call victory.

“A win is a win,” her ally former Sen. Tom Harkin said from the stage here – but it was meager enough (if it existed at all) to allow a Democratic socialist who trailed her by 50 points six months ago to declare, with some justification, a kind of co-victory.

Bernie Sanders did not get a “co-victory”. There was no victory. There was only loss.

On to New Hampshire.

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212 thoughts on “#IowaCaucus #GroundhogDay: The Empire Strikes Back

  1. On this one we agree with Bernie Sanders. We want the raw vote totals not the crap of delegates selected by arcane rules result.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/02/bernie-sanders-requests-vote-count-tight-finish-iowa-caucus-clinton

    Bernie Sanders wants raw vote count released after tight finish in Iowa caucuses

    Dramatic clash with Hillary Clinton for Democratic presidential nomination is sign public want change, says leftwing senator

    Bernie Sanders has called on the Democratic party to release a raw vote count in Iowa after a nail-biting finish left lingering doubts over the first, much tighter-than-expected, clash with Hillary Clinton for the presidential nomination. [snip]

    Speaking to reporters on a chartered plane flying from Des Moines to their next showdown in New Hampshire, the leftwing senator said his performance in the Iowa caucus was a signal that the American people were hungry for more radical change than that offered by establishment candidates.

    “Tonight is a wonderful start to the national campaign,” Sanders said in a packed gangway on the late-night flight heading east to beat an incoming snowstorm. “Tonight shows the American people that this is a campaign that can win.”

    He threw little light on an unfolding controversy over certain Iowa precincts that did not have enough Democratic party volunteers to report delegate totals for each candidate but did call on officials to take the unusual step of revealing underlying voter totals. Delegates are awarded in the Iowa Democratic contest on a precinct-by-precinct basis, irrespective of the state-wide vote for each candidate.

    “I honestly don’t know what happened. I know there are some precincts that have still not reported. I can only hope and expect that the count will be honest,” he said. “I have no idea. Did we win the popular vote? I don’t know, but as much information as possible should be made available.”

    Sanders’ campaign director, Jeff Weaver, told reporters he did not “anticipate we are going to contest” specific results but hoped there would be an investigation into what happened.

    He also claimed the tight result, in a state where Sanders had once trailed by Clinton in polling by 50 percentage points, was a sign of a dramatic surge of popularity for his agenda to reduce income inequality and “seize back democracy from the billionaire class”.

    “People said we had an inferior ground game, that we didn’t have as good an understanding of the state,” said Weaver. “I think we certainly demonstrated that we had at least as good a ground game and I would argue that we had a better one because we started out [as underdogs].”

    Dozens of young staffers were in a jubilant mood on the two-hour flight, cheering as Sanders boarded the plane in a party atmosphere that belied the ongoing uncertainty over the exact result.

  2. I agree that caucus or not, we all need to know the raw vote count.

    Was it always this way, for did the O’DNC change the rules?

    Somethings up, it doesn’t take have a day to count some cards.

  3. This just demonstrates once again how corrupt the caucus system is. Both parties must have learned the system from the Kremlin of the Soviet Union from the days of the Cold War.

  4. Good Afternoon Big Pinkers…

    Admin…thank you for doing such a great job and your hard work and keeping the site up and running…great to see the comments

    I watched most away from the computer

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    my two cents…

    Cruz got a larger share of the Evangelicals and had a better, some say exceptional, ground game…

    Trump did pretty darn good with Evangelicals considering his “New York values”…and his lack of a “good” ground game…and for a total novice/newcomer to running for any office…much less President of the USA

    I do hope that Trump will start investing in his “groud game”…rallys are great but he has to use everything…all the tools in the toolbox…if he is to prevail…

    Agree, Rubio is the number one Establishment Guy…and Chris Christie is #1 Hitman to go after Rubio…

    …with Christie going after Rubio…and DT with a sizeable lead in NH…I would hope that DT take the high road and instead of ‘namecalling’ start projecting a Presidential/Leadership image and focus on the positive plans he has to “Make American Great Again”

    Hillary is very lucky she “won” six coin tosses to give her less than a 1% win…I believe that besides her “hugging” Obama and his policies…she has no clear message…she seems to be shouting platitudes and sounds stale…

    I still believe she will get the nomination…but it might get rocky…and hopefully she does not encounter legal problems

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    all in all…for all the hoopala and punditry…

    the bottom line…the difference between each winner and second place amounted to one delegate…

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    so on to New Hampshire…our second state…and from my POV, I am not fighting or gloating with fellow Big Pinkers…I love the interaction, discussion and dialogue…imho…it is positive for all of us…

  5. Chris Christie is calling Rubio “bubble boy”. He says the media should ask “bubble boy” questions and force him to answer the questions not give his speeches in reply.

  6. Prairie fire:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12135253/Iowa-caucus-a-revolution-is-taking-place-in-American-politics.html

    Iowa caucus: a revolution is taking place in American politics

    On the Democrat side, Hillary Clinton was taken to a “virtual tie” by a 74-year old socialist. On the Republican side, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz – two halves of the same anti-establishment revolt – polled over 50 per cent in a Republican caucus with a historic turnout. And even Marco Rubio, whose name will dominate media coverage the days to come, represents a rebellion of his own. [snip]

    People will say that Sanders voters are just teenagers in love: they don’t really know what they want. But that’s not fair. They’re passing a verdict on the failures of the Obama era. For them, inequality isn’t just an existential problem but one reflected in rising tuition costs, a healthcare reform that has left healthcare over-priced and poor quality, and woefully underpaid jobs. This, too, Clinton doesn’t understand. In debates, she pledged to protect Obama’s legacy. Sanders promised to go beyond it.

    One group of people who want nothing to do with Obama at all are the Republicans. The defeat of Donald Trump will dominate headlines in Europe and some will foolishly write him off. I can understand why. Trump sold himself as a winner and the attention he got was down to excitement/fear that he might win. Having lost the first contest he entered, he suddenly looks like a fraud. Like a giant Trump building that appears gorgeous on the outside but, when you enter it, is just a tacky old casino playing host to alcoholic midwesterners.

    That said, to win a quarter of the vote is still an achievement for The Donald – and he remains way ahead in polling for the next primary state (New Hampshire). Moreover, the victory of Ted Cruz was just as shocking as Trump’s rise. Cruz is loathed by his senate colleagues in Washington. He opposed an energy lobby that is hugely powerful in Iowa. And party leaders lined up to tell Iowans not to vote for him. His triumph, in the face of tons of negative advertising and the scorn of liberal critics, is a big story – especially given the vast number of new people he had to bring to the polls to do it.

    His problem going forward is that he’s essentially campaigning among the same demographic that Trump is trying to dominate: the angry middle-class. That leaves Marco Rubio with a clearer shot at winning over mainstream, moderate Republicans.

    So the real winner of the night may turn out to be Rubio. By securing the votes of younger people, people with college degrees and those who lean towards mild conservatism, he has shown his ability to captivate the kinds of voters who previously gave the nomination to John McCain and Mitt Romney. And by bucking the trend of big personality, social-media-orientated politics, he has shown that old fashioned reason can triumph over passion. That’s revolutionary in its own way.

    Yes, he placed third rather than first. But the result represents for moderates a glimpse of sunlight between the clouds – and the hope of brighter days ahead. If Trump wins a few states but eventually bows out gracefully, Rubio could inherit his voters without having to stoop to his level. A moderate Republican Party bolstered by the Trump vote could prove highly competitive in November. Especially if it’s running against Hillary, the eternal loser.

    So the rules of American politics are changing. Once-upon-a-time, Democrats thought that only the Clintons could win elections: now they prefer cranky old Leftists. And whereas the Republicans were once denounced as the racist party, it is they who boast two Hispanic candidates. Cruz v Rubio? I never saw that coming.

  7. GO! Christie!!! Make the media, if that is possible, start to vet Marco. Make him stop his robotic answers. Ask Ruby a question and you can almost see the computer in his brain kick in, hit the right button and out of his mouth comes the regurgitated the canned speech about that topic. Make him accountable for his positions on illegal immigration, etc. Expose him for the media darling he is. Expose him for the bought and paid for politician he really is. Expose him for the establishment RINO he is. GO, Christie, go!

  8. My Reader’s Digest summary of today’s media reporting of Iowa Caucus:

    Dems: The 1st place finisher….lost. The 2nd place finisher won.

    Repub.: The 1st place finisher won. The 2nd place finisher lost. The 3rd place finisher..won.

    Welcome to the American political media, 2016 edition.

  9. About Cruz premature call of Ben suspending his campaign:
    Ted Cruz Apologizes to Ben Carson For Spreading Rumor He Was Dropping Out
    “…Last night when our political team saw the CNN post saying Dr. Carson was not carrying on to New Hampshire and South Carolina, our campaign updated the grassroots leaders just as we would with any breaking news story. That’s fair game.
    What the team should have done is send around the follow-up statement from the Carson campaign clarifying that he was indeed staying in the race when that came out.
    That was a mistake from our end, and for that I apologize to Dr. Carson.”
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ted-cruz-apologizes-to-ben-carson-for-spreading-rumor-he-was-dropping-out/

  10. Following up something seen last night on twitter:
    Dust Begins to Settle in Iowa With Clinton Edge
    DES MOINES, Iowa — After a tense night and early morning trying to account for missing votes in errant precincts, the Iowa Democratic Party declared Tuesday that it had received results from 100 percent of the state’s precincts and could confirm a razor-thin victory for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton….
    http://atr.rollcall.com/sanders-campaign-party-lost-5-percent-of-iowa-vote/

    PS to Southern Born 1:59 PM
    Ditto.

  11. from my perspective I like to analyze things honestly and objectively…not the way I wish they were or ignore obvious truths…

    having said that…if any Trump camp people are reading… my suggestion is Donald cut back on citing all the polls he is “winning” over and over again at his rallys (avoid making people roll their eyes)

    …now that we are actually in the voting season…Donald needs to up his game and the ‘conversation’ he has with supporters at his rallys…obviously because what he says goes out to people beyond his rallys and into the public ethers…

    Donald should keep his down to earth and blunt style but start showing more flashes of his intellect and (evolving) maturity as a candidate for President of the USA…I have seen him become serious and very poignant on some occasions…he needs to tap into that more…and show it…of course he should be himself…but he has many sides…

    Donald needs to redo and beef up the content his uses at his rallys…lest he start to also sound “stale”…his conversational style works but he needs to fill it in with additional new info…

    not the same ‘built a fabulous company’ ‘went to Wharton, am really smart’ ‘winning the polls’ bla, bla…over and over again…tweak it…!!!

    …and my advice is take some time to ‘brush up on topics that will appear in the debates’…he should challenge himself to learn what he does not know…so as to impress people and his critics…rather than wing it with saying the same things to a fault…

    isn’t the best revenge that suddenly his critics are thrown off balance because Donald is so prepared and that even his critics are impressed…

    Donald is the master of the unpredicable…use that to throw your critics and opponents off balance…give them what they least expect from DT…

  12. Cruz was leading in the polls until right before the caucuses. I have to wonder if Trump “winning” in the late polls was merely an illusion to create this “he lost” scenario being played out in the media.

  13. I’m glad Hillary didn’t lose. Re Bernie, I heard a woman from VT call in to one of the conservative radio programs – I think it was Lars Larson. She said that people in VT support Bernie in large part, because he has not taken is not a strong supporter of gun control – which is an issue in rural states (such as Iowa). I checked out his record on gun control and he has supported a number of measures to control weapon sales and manufacture. But, he seems lean toward not interfering with states with regard to gun laws. Even tho he has kind of ridden the fence on the issue, he has been much less vocal on the 2nd Amendment issue than Hillary has.
    I wonder how much of a role this played in how people voted in Iowa.

    Despite some expressed concerns regarding Trump, I thought Admin’s post about the strike against Big Media, which is a huge problem. Media has attempted to take control of our political system at a core level, and the establishment of both parties have too much control. The end result is a broken system. It would be heartening to see Trump or anyone break the stranglehold that both the media and the political establishment currently have.

    Plus – I detest the idea of Cruz or Rubio being POTUS.

  14. My advice for Hillary

    Keep fighting, never give up. Dump the praise of Obama policies, keep pounding YOUR policies. Loosen up a tad, you looked a little too stressed out…sure you were, so were your strong supporters.

    Make working Americans more of your priority. White lives matter too.

    Listen to Bill and Lynn more, less from the Obama campaign leaders. Get more personal, be a proud woman. Get more young women woking for you on the ground game.

    Don’t let the haters distract you.

    Fight like a girl Hillary

    I don’t like your soft borders, hire Trump to build the fence and work as a negotiator, unless he gets too darn nasty.

  15. Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina endorsed Rubio today.

    Reports that former Senator Scott Brown set to endorse Trump in New Hampshire home state tonight.

    Mary Queen of Scots has yet to endorse. Big chance for Carly?

  16. Damn, again. Distracted with huge weather issues here, and screwed up post.

    I though Admin made some really good points regarding what a Trump victory would mean with regard to media and establishment politics. I’m not sure it’s even possible to correct some of the problems and stop the abuse of democratic process at this point. But, if something doesn’t happen in the relatively near future, I think it’s unlikely to happen at all.

    As has been discussed previously here – public schools, community colleges, and universities preach the so-called “social justice” message to such an extent that it’s accepted – an extreme version of the concept is being taught to and accepted by young Americans.

  17. I do hope that Trump will start investing in his “ground game”
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    He will. I was told to wait, they do not have a campaign set up in my state YET. Also, they are looking for people with experience to go to the convention to fight the battle of Armagedon which will be waged there next summer. This is very much a work in progress.

    But he had a ground game, headed up by two good leaders with political backgrounds–one a former Koch operative who decided to throw off those devils and help the American People. And he had people from his company helping train caucus volunteers, unbeknownst to big media. I think his campaign will pick up steam and he will start spending his money.

    Looking ahead what do we see? A sloslam course of obstacles, such as winner take all rules at states where the establishment candidate is favored like Florida (used to be Bush now its Rubio) pro rata where the insurgents are favored, then the convention where the establishment controls the process through superdelegates a change adopted by establishment pawn Romney–ah yes the convention where democracy is bought, bartered and stolen in secret deals, bribes and threats–I had a wire into Denver and it was ugly, and then the electoral college a total anachronism, a throw back to the nineteenth century, which is designed to stop real democracy dead in its tracks, and riding shotgun on this entire subversion of democracy who do we find but big media who corrupts the process beyond recognition.

  18. Here is the pivotal question, which was obscured by last nights results:

    Are we—or are we not in the midst of a political revolution?

    Because if we are in a political revolution,

    Then an open borders neocon like Rubio is–or should be DOA.

    And a wall of money will not change that.

    If it were otherwise, the pharohs would still be alive.

  19. VotingHillary, your summary is a summary of “politics is an upside down world”.

    One word that has been missed and needs discussing in light of what happened last night is a very simple question for those that believe Hillary will win the nomination. Missing word question is “when?” When does Hillary win the nomination?

    Last night, assuming all is on the up and up and the numbers reported reflect how the voters voted (which we strongly doubt) Hillary won. Yesterday’s article cited that even if Hillary won by a quarter of a percent she would win. Today Hillary is declared the “winner” with not one quarter of a point victory but one fifth. Two tenths of 1 percent.

    So, when, following this trajectory and primary schedule, when does Hillary win? When?

    Consider that Hillary is counting on beating Sanders with votes from black voters. This means Hillary will have to continue to lie and continue her support of Obama for a long time to come, until Sanders is put down. We can’t believe she believes any of the crap she is saying so we have to assume she is lying and not very well which causes voters to see her lies and question her veracity further.

    So when does Hillary win? If Trump won last night he could have nailed down the GOP nomination by the end of February or at the latest in the middle of March after the Florida primary. Trump can still stick to that schedule but only with a brisk victory in New Hampshire and a fast win in South Carolina.

    Our presumption was and mostly remains, minus the Iowa component, that once Trump got to March 15, having dispatched Bush and Rubio in the winner take all Florida primary, Trump only had Cruz as a serious candidate whom we presumed would have already been defeated in Iowa. By March 15 Trump would have defeated Kasich in Ohio, Christie in New Hampshire, Bush/Rubio in Florida along with everyone else. After March 15 Trump at worst faced a mop up operation. That was our presumption, which we still think is operative minus Iowa.

    Hillary however faces a very difficult “when” problem now. The Dims do not have winner take all. So if Hillary wins 60% of the vote in the southern primaries and less in the mountain states where Sanders should do better, when does Hillary win?

    Without winner take all primary victories to settle the nomination quickly, Hillary has a much longer “when” horizon than Trump, if he is the eventual nominee.

    After yesterday, Hillary has a big “when” problem because although Bernie did not get his “must win” in Iowa the Sanders’ troops do not feel defeated… yet. Hillary will have to bring down the margin in New Hampshire to single digits and deprive Sanders of a ten point or more victory which will fuel his troops with desire for more battle.

  20. Eight years ago, a hillary operative issued an internal memo recommending she skip Iowa. She would be better off if she had. The electorate in that state is nuts.

  21. admin
    February 2, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina endorsed Rubio today.

    Reports that former Senator Scott Brown set to endorse Trump in New Hampshire home state tonight.

    Mary Queen of Scots has yet to endorse. Big chance for Carly?

    _______________

    😆 Admin,

  22. After yesterday, Hillary has a big “when” problem because although Bernie did not get his “must win” in Iowa the Sanders’ troops do not feel defeated… yet. Hillary will have to bring down the margin in New Hampshire to single digits and deprive Sanders of a ten point or more victory which will fuel his troops with desire for more battle.
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    When they finally fold their hand, do you really believe they will fall in line and support her? Or, do you believe they will flee to the hills and launch guerilla warfare? The answer is obvious.

  23. My Analysis

    IOWA PART 1 : What happened to Trump?

    Lets face it the GOP field is down to Rubio, Cruz and Trump, the others can all go home now. Carson has given up and wandered off wafting through cornfields. Huckabee just said “screw it”. The others need to go now and let the real contenders shine.

    High Turnout was meant to benefit Trump, perhaps it did, if it did, god knows how bad it could have been for him had it not been high turnout because 24%, 1% ahead of Rubio who was polling 15% in the final poll but who ended up on 23% is not ideal for the perceived front runner in a crowded field when there are transfer votes around. GOP voters went elsewhere.Trump didn’t get a 2nd look.

    One thing evident from the last few polls is that 60% of GOP voters say that they would never vote for Trump…that in itself could be lethal. One the question of the entrance poll was “shares my values, Trump only scored 5% which was way way down the list of candidates. So do people not believe Trump understands little people, probably…….Trump also lost the youth vote to both Cruz and Rubio by almost 10 points.

    Transfers were evident last night and all of those little other 10 candidates that did not make the 15% threshold helped Cruz and Rubio go up higher.

    I am also pretty clear that skipping the debate did not help, it lost Trump voters, people perhaps saw him as arrogant, just like Obama and if he could not be bothered to turn up to a debate what else would he not be bothered to do. Perhaps he has taken the arrogance a bit too far, no one likes a smart ass.

    Cruz winning was a shock to Trumps system, Trump seems a bit stunned, he expected to win, no doubt about that, they thought the mailer slamming Cruz would help them and Cruz was mortally wounded……. far from it, it seems.

    Rubio surging was being laughed at before yesterdays caucus, yet it happened and whalloped many observers between the eyes. Make no mistake, I think Rubio is going to be the nominee, I wish he wasn’t but there you have it.

    Is the Trump polling and campaign really just PR illusion? Maybe it is, because after all those supposed massive rallies, you have to wonder where all those first time voters all went. I suspect him and Sanders were fishing the same pond…..or maybe all those people are people that are low info voters and never ever vote but love to shout and make noise to make themselves feel better but never actually bother turning up when needed.

    One thing for sure, Trumps campaign took a major blow last night, he lost to the one guy he has been slamming for weeks and apparently was destroying by all accounts, that is one major boomerang bitchslap. Where does he go from here. I really don’t know but to a man that is used to getting his own way, it must hurt and smart a lot.

    New Hampshire is going to be interesting and I think this is where things get tricky for both Dems and GOP. NH is heavy independent leaning, now do they choose to vote in the Dem primary or the GOP primary. If they choose one more over the other, who does it hurt?

    If the polling for Iowa was way off, then hold your hats because its going to be a white knuckle ride in NH and its bound to make the Trump campaign very very nervous.

    Bernie vs Hillary coming up next…in Part 2.

  24. I have to agree with VotingHillary who said ”
    Cruz was leading in the polls until right before the caucuses. I have to wonder if Trump “winning” in the late polls was merely an illusion to create this “he lost” scenario being played out in the media.”
    I had thought the same thing. When I was watching the pre caucus coverage, the over the top expectation seemed that Trump had it wrapped up. It was too confident in my opinion. I even mentioned this to someone. I said they look like they are setting him up to make it look so much worse when he just looses by a small margin. If you look at the numbers, Trump wins over Rubio by over 2200 votes but he “only leads him by 1%. Cruz lead Trump by less than 6200 votes and he leads by 4%. Cruz lead was rounded up. Trump was rounded down and Rubio looks so much better. Trump looks worse. Just a slight jiggering to change perception.

  25. I agree with the comments regarding Trump and his battle with the media…I applaud him leading the charge and his courage…i love it…

    the thrust of my comments are I want to him to go forward and not sound too redundant (I watch every rally i can on OAN and if you do too you know what I mean) and take it up notch by notch along the trail…always keeping the critics/opponents guessing…while inspiring the people with his plans for ‘Making America Great Again’…a little disarming charm might be used amdist less namecalling…the honey and vinegar thing…he is very likeable when you get to see that side…it will serve him well in the national if he gets there (as opposed to Cruz who is really a slime ball…ask Ben Carson just last night)

    wbboei…i agree with what you said at 4:23…but he would begin to look foolish if he continued to brag about not spending any of his own money and then came up short with his ground game…

    time to get serious and dig in…put on the thicker skin armor…focus like a lazer on the ‘big picture’ and winning…leave aside the petty things…no time for that…

    **************

    as for Hillary, if any of the Clinton magic remains she should do very well in the South…if she has a repeat of 2008 when she won about 10 primaries in a row, her press and image will go up and i think she will appear stronger…

    that in no way changes my mind about the policies she is selling…the O3 and Soros garbage she is wrapped around…

    that is what i mean about being honest…if Hillary promises O3 that is bad…bad…bad…anyway you cut it…

  26. moon…he lost to someone who got more evangelicals in a very conservative Iowa caucus…not quite the end of the world yet…

  27. IOWA Part 2 : Bernie vs Hillary

    Iowa is not Hillary country, it never was, never has been,never will be. In 2008 she polled 29% in a 3 way, in 2016 she polled 49.9% in a 2 way race. Hillary was never going to win big in Iowa, I’m actually surprised she managed to eek out the smallest win over Sanders.

    She made gains in state that was already hostile to her, what more could she have done with a liberal alternative like Sanders.

    Hillary did make vast improvements on her 2008 performance in many counties she improved her results by anywhere between 25 and 30%. She won Polk county which was expected to go to Sanders by 54% to 45%.

    Look at the maps. Hillary last night took every single county John Edwards won in 2008 but relatively nothing of Obama’s except for Des Moines, the university towns were lost to her and always where and will be when someone like Obama or Sanders is against her. This is Iowa’s socialist centre. Nothing she could have done in that setting.

    Sanders needed a win, a decisive win because NH hopefully may get better with bragging rights by Clinton but after that Bernie is up shit creek. He is not making headway in AA voters and in the south, socialists are equal to something off the bottom of your shoe.

    Super Tuesday will be a mess for Bernie.

    Had Clinton lost by 5 or 10 points last night, it would have been difficult but she didn’t. However Sanders needed it. It is expected Bernie will win NH, I don’t see how he doesn’t win NH but it on’t help him. Hillary barely won in NH in 2008. If Bernie doesn’t then its over for him and even then it doesn’t get any better for him after that.

    O’Malley has flounced off, his campaign was all about getting his face up for VP consideration, it was never serious.

    Nevada after NH is a heavy union state, look what they did to Hillary in 2008 when they backed Obama and she still won Nevada, this time they are on her side……

    South Carolina…well Bernie need not bother, its lost to him.

    I don’t see any path for Sanders, it just won’t happen.

    He can crow all he likes about a co-victory, the only victory would have been a 10 point win for him.

    She lost the youth vote last night heavily but Sanders also lost the experience vote, the entrance poll question of “who has the experience to be President”…Clinton 88%, Sanders 7%

    Clinton won over 65’s by 43%…that’s a strong voting block that actually vote…..she won 45 to 65’s by 23%

    Clinton also won the blue collar vote by over 20%.

    Time for the next stage, what do you think is going to happen

  28. S……if he loses evangelicals to Rubio and Cruz, then god help him because when he gets further down the line out of the north eastern states to GOP states then he wont know what hit him….

  29. btw…republican debate this Sat on abc and the NH primary is one week from today on next Tuesday…

    full speed ahead…

  30. moon…i don’t think we can rely on the polls…however all indicators are that DT is very strong in the South…right now he is way ahead of Rubio and Bush in Florida…

    we’ll see

  31. Up periscope.

    Subject: our Harvard trained betters

    Comment: who would have thunk . . .

    The Harvard Crimson reported that nearly half of the 279 students enrolled in a government introductory course last spring are currently being investigated for “allegedly plagiarizing answers or inappropriately collaborating” on last spring’s take-home final exam.

    Daniel Mathews, a junior majoring in economics, said the cause of cheating could stem from the notion that students have more pressure to do well in school to make their future more secure.

    “It’s a risk-versus-reward analysis,” Mathews said. “Do the benefits of cheating and doing well on this paper outweigh the risk of getting caught? And for the people who do cheat, the answer is clearly yes.”

  32. The Mormons are a mutual protection society.

    But they are as nothing compared to our Harvard trained elites.

  33. Daniel Mathews, a junior majoring in economics, said the cause of cheating could stem from the notion that students have more pressure to do well in school to make their future more secure.

    “It’s a risk-versus-reward analysis,” Mathews said. “Do the benefits of cheating and doing well on this paper outweigh the risk of getting caught? And for the people who do cheat, the answer is clearly yes.”
    ——–
    Well, good for Daniel.

    It is obvious that he understood cost vs. benefit analysis taught in Econ 101

    I think we should give the cheaters amnesty.

    I am quite sure Rubio would agree.

    That is the key to the Hispanic vote.

  34. wbboei and Admin…one question I have re: Trump is…

    supposedly DT had Rick Santorum’s former head honcho professional guy, Chuck Laudner working for his campaign in Iowa…if so, how could Laudner not be better prepared with the ground game…strange…surely he must have know the importance and advised Trump’s campaign

    maybe DT wanted to win, but felt he could afford to lose (come in second) in Iowa…

    ???

  35. The final results are in for Iowa. 100% reporting

    Clinton 23 Delegates + 6 SDs = 29
    Sanders 21 Delegates + 0 SDs = 23

    2 SDs remain uncommitted.

  36. Hillary won out the tiniest win in history, more like a down right tie, but a tiny, sliver of a win is still a win.

    Three men in the GOP, placed at the top of the pile, within a few to only one point of each other. Cruz gets the real win, Trump doesn’t come close to being the front runner and RubieSlippers thinks he was just anointed King for coming in third instead of hiding behind the curtain on stage at the little boy table.

    Trump has finally gotten a taste of politics. You can’t demand a win, and get it, no madder how much money you have. This certainly isn’t Celebrity Apprentice where you are the top dog and the dude at the big table that gets to fire everyone else.

    This is new for Trump, maybe a learning moment…probably not.

    Everyone else running has been though this, one way or another…tomatoes tossed or not.

    One candidate has lots of experience with this, Hillary Clinton. She has been the clay pigeon since the nineties, when she was First Lady working with Bill on Universal Healthcare.

    Money can buy a big, new, fancy plane. Buy new suits and younger model wives…but it can’t buy you a win.

    Buck up Trump, you whine like a little girl about everything. You expect the media to be nice to you while you demean other candidates. Only you deserve any respect…no one else but members of your family.

    Also, quit saying everyone loves you, some do, most don’t. That’s life.

  37. Listening to Trumps video, he sounds less disappointed in Iowa than I am. Those people need to learn how to vote or they are all going to end up worse off than their farm animals. Cruze sucked up dirty votes from Carson, but it was Rubio who pulled down DT’s numbers and there are rumors that it was done via the caucus Microsoft App. That’s just 6,000 votes that need to be stolen from Trump to Rubio that would have changed the game.

  38. Anything is, possible Lu…It may have been a set up in the end, This is politics and all politics are dirty.
    Only way to go is forward. Next vote only a week away? Not a lot of time.

  39. No, I am not saying I believe the MS App rumor. But there are 1683 Precincts in Iowa and about 170,000 voters. How hard would it be to cheat 6,000 votes?

  40. Caucus sites are always easy to bamboozle, especially when aggressive people intimidate other voters, like in 2008.

    Just wondering why you think any vote stealing would be directed at Trump and not another candidate.

  41. What makes me wonder is the lack of information posted. If they wanted validation, why not post the results by precinct so that people can check their own precincts? I cannot find such results anywhere.

  42. S
    February 2, 2016 at 6:24 pm
    ———-
    Admin will have a better answer than I will, but I can tell you as a lawyer you take the facts as you find them, and as a general you go to war with the army you have. I think we can safely say that Trump is a pragmatist, therefore he knew the cards were stacked against him because he is not an evangelical and because Cruz spent more time in there than he did and begged his supporters in the body of Christ to vote for him, and of course they did. Given the alternative he invoked, wouldn’t you? Santorum is an evangelical as well, and they relate to that. I expect his guy on the ground, now Trumps guy did what he could based on the facts as he found them. That is all we can expect.

  43. Lu4PUMA
    February 2, 2016 at 6:48 pm
    Listening to Trumps video, he sounds less disappointed in Iowa than I am.
    ———–
    Lu, you are disappointed because you expected that people would wise up to what his happening.

    They lack the mental acuity to do so.

    Just remember what H.L. Mencken said:

    Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American People.

  44. thanks for your answer Wbboei…

    *************************************************

    imho…

    if Ted Cruz is the GOP nominee, Hillary wins in just about a landslide…

    now I will say the unthinkable (don’t read this SB, kidding)…but if things progress and DT starts to rack up wins and the GOP ticket becomes Trump/Rubio, that ticket wins…

    putting aside if you like Rubio or not, objectively he is not Presidential material…but he could be seen as a VP prospect…the young pup being groomed…and take the youngsters and many hispanics with him…although doubtful DT needs him for Florida but he would not hurt and probably help to close the deal in Florida for the GOP

    ************************************************

    finally, putting the religious talk and the Presidency aside…I think Ben Carson is a good man…he may have some strange ideas, etc…but he is a positive influence and a self made, accomplished, intelligent man who is motivated by doing good…he is another one that is not a politician by nature who might be too honest or naive for this kind of work…I wish him well in whatever unfolds…

  45. Just donated to Hillary talk is cheap but if she doesn’t have the $$ to go on we’ll be stuck with sanders or God forbid the mystery candidate admin keeps talking about. Small amount but something!

  46. Everythings a damn conspiracy……except when its your own man……
    ——–
    On the other hand, when you keep losing one poker hand after another, and the dealer keeps winning, there comes a point where you begin to suspect the dealer which is perfectly rational. Nobody is neutral any more–even the superbowl referees. Everyone has an agenda. The question is how far will they go to trample on your rights. THIS SYSTEM IS MORIBUND, SICK, DEPRAVED etc. That is the problem. Every time we trust them, we get hammered. Maybe if they stopped cheating at Harvard all would be well. Maybe if they stopped doing cost benefit analysis–will I get caught—if I get caught how do I beat the rap–how much will mommie and daddie dearest pay to bail me out—and given my stature in society the rules do not apply to me–they are for suckers. If cheating is as rampant at Harvard as that article suggests, does it bother you at all that more Supreme Court justices came from that school than any other. Correlation of causation. I must remember to ask Bernie. He would know. So would the Shadow.

  47. jtjames

    I did the same. I wished she had some cute Hillary 2016 t-shirt like she did in 2008 and I would invest more.

    I pumped in more money last time, near the end of the race.

  48. jtjames
    February 2, 2016 at 8:48 pm
    Just donated to Hillary talk is cheap but if she doesn’t have the $$ to go on we’ll be stuck with sanders or God forbid the mystery candidate admin keeps talking about. Small amount but something!
    ——
    Huma wrote to me–just to me–all very personal–I must have made quite an impression since I met her only once for 10 seconds eight years ago, but I always have that impression on women, etc. Ya sure youbetcha. But all my friend Huma wanted for her friend Hillary was she on dollar. Just 100 pennies to be part of something sublime. I would have thought with the $6 billion Soros just gave her she would not need my dollar. But she does. Why? To defeat the claim that hers is a Wall Street financed campaign by saying she has 1 million small donors. Not hard to read this one.

  49. Cheating has become the norm in everything. Somehow it lost its moral horror. Now the horror is just getting caught.

  50. The Parties are not accountable to the Public. They are private entities and may run their primaries as they see fit. Lesson of 2008.

    The only way to assure the MS App validity is to post the results and let the precincts validate their results. Any thing less is open to question.

  51. gonzotx
    February 2, 2016 at 9:00 pm
    Cheating has become the norm in everything. Somehow it lost its moral horror. Now the horror is just getting caught.

    That is because it is no longer about personal honor. All that matters is money. This, from my generation, who was said to be the most moralistic generation in history, because they marched against the war, went to Woodstock to get laid, and quoted Kant. Personal honor should be made of sterner stuff.

  52. Lu4PUMA
    February 2, 2016 at 9:09 pm
    —–
    Yes indeed. A healthy dose of skepticism where Microsoft is concerned is . . . healthy. As previously noted, those jamokes are dead from the neck down.

  53. As I have been saying, they need to get rid of the prehistoric caucus, move out of the stone age and vote in little booths with curtains like the rest of us.

    They can line dance on another day.

  54. Where’s the darn proof that Microsoft Bing did anything to cheat away Trump’s votes?

    I get it, you all wanted him to win and are disappointed.

  55. jbstonesfan

    Sometimes Jb you are seeing everything for less than a glass half empty.

    How can you be depressed that one little tiny state in 50 states didn’t go well for your favorites?

    Don’t give Iowa that much power.

    If we only have ten little states that picked our President, then you should start to worry.

  56. Shadow,

    Microsoft is a big donor to Rubio.That in itself should have required them NOT to be involved in any way with the vote counting.
    If it smells like a fish…it probably is a fish.
    Trump also was polling big in the urban areas where it just happened to all of a sudden go to Rubio?
    In reality, I don’t trust ant election anymore.

  57. It’s good not to trust all elections after what we have been though, but having some proof that there was foul play, takes it from a theory to something concrete that can be investigated.

    Bernie was afraid his votes would be stolen by MS before the voting ever started, so maybe he is investigating what’s controlled on Bing?

  58. One thing evident from the last few polls is that 60% of GOP voters say that they would never vote for Trump…that in itself could be lethal. One the question of the entrance poll was “shares my values, Trump only scored 5% which was way way down the list of candidates.

    But if 40% are saying they are willing to vote for him, but only 5% say he shares their values (which many people in interviews and rallies have been quite clear that *they* feel he does), then IMO obviously one of these polling numbers is inaccurate – or a lot of people who like him for some reason didn’t go caucus.

    I’m not freaked that he didn’t win, because even though I love Iowa, it usually picks the person who does NOT become the nominee. Of course we won’t know until later if they were right this time or not.

    As far as Hillary, I don’t want Obama 3, not just because I can’t stand him, but because I strongly believe our country is at a crossroads, and now is that last chance to turn away from globalism. And I don’t see her working it like she did in 2008 – a large number of her events now appear to be a few pre-screened people sitting around the table with her.

    But all my friend Huma wanted for her friend Hillary was she on dollar. Just 100 pennies to be part of something sublime. I would have thought with the $6 billion Soros just gave her she would not need my dollar. But she does. Why? To defeat the claim that hers is a Wall Street financed campaign by saying she has 1 million small donors. Not hard to read this one.

    I seem to recall this is something Obama did in 2008. If my memory is correct, it only makes sense, since Hillary chose to be advised by Obama people.

  59. Shadow, your style of posting has really changed overnight – you kind of sound like you accuse Trump of sounding 🙂

  60. Rubio…if the establishment is getting behind him…HELLO…what does that tell us about him? Ruby is now the precious darling of the big money donors, the open border bunch and THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. When these three get what they want you can bet we the people lose.

    Back when Rubio was running for Senate he went on the Mark Levin show and said he was AGAINST illegal immigraton and anmesty. BUT as soon as he was elected, he became good buddies with Chuck Schumer and became the face and force of the GANG of 8. Therefore it would seem that Rubio LIED in his very “sincere” robotic way to get his Senate seat.

    So tell me again, why should we trust Marco Rubio now?

  61. Subject: our Harvard trained betters

    Comment: who would have thunk . . .

    The Harvard Crimson reported that nearly half of the 279 students enrolled in a government introductory course last spring are currently being investigated for “allegedly plagiarizing answers or inappropriately collaborating” on last spring’s take-home final exam.

    It’s simple to me lol Obviously these Intro to Government cheaters need to be put on a Harvard fast track to graduation. They already “have what it takes” to succeed in government, especially politics lol

  62. SB – there’s also video out there showing Rubio telling an English speaking audience that he is against amnesty, and telling a Spanish speaking audience (didn’t you use to have to speak English to become a citizen….?) that he is FOR amnesty.

    I think he and Cruz are both so slimy. Rubio just has a cute boyish face, while Cruz looks like what he is. Especially when he smiles. IMO.

  63. He would know. So would the Shadow.

    wbboei, I love how you threw that in. Unfortunately, a lot of people probably don’t understand the reference 🙁

  64. “Rubio just as a cute boyish face, while Cruz looks like what he is.”
    ____________________

    Lorac, I fear that is what people will ONLY see. Our neighbor is all in the tank for Rubio…why…his policies, his past record, his maturity and independent thinking. NOPE. She thinks he is cute.

    Haven’t we just had going 8 years of HELL because people thought Obama was a cool, handsome, fun guy with a great smile and of course many voted skin as well.
    At this point, I don’t care if a candidate is butt ugly with snaggled teeth. I want a president who has the gumption to stand up against the establishment and
    who is honest (if there is such a thing in politics but at least one who has not lied like a dog in the past to get elected) smart, experienced, and has the best interest of we the people in all he/she does.

    https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/02/02/marco-rubios-november-electability-problem/?print=true&singlepage=true#

  65. Shadowfax
    February 2, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Where’s the darn proof that Microsoft Bing did anything to cheat away Trump’s votes?
    ———–
    Shadow!

    You want proof?

    How old fashioned.

    Nobody wants proof any more.

    Racism explains everything.

    Or, being a Ivy Leaguer.

    Do you think Lois Lerner wants proof?

    Do you think Rubio wants proof.

    Proof is irrelevant.

    That is the second year course in Harvard.

    The British navy had 3 tradition: rum, sodomy and the lash.

    Soros, fine fellow that he is, wants to impose those same traditions on this country.

    And with the electorate, we have a willing victim.

  66. Tony Stark
    February 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm
    Here’s Larry Johnson’s take on Iowa’s caucus results. He’s not that impressed with Cruz’s victory.
    ——–
    Larry does not realize that Ted has the Lord on his side.

  67. Rubio just has a cute boyish face
    ——–
    Yes. Yes. In the big house, Marco would be the belle of the ball. He would get the mr.congeniality award—and a lot more. He is a fast talker–faster than a used car salesman. But he would be hard pressed to talk his way out of that one. Much easier to explain how he was against amnesty before he was for amnesty, and even if he was for amnesty all along and just lied about it, Cruz is just as bad, plus Cruz does not have Marco’s neocon credentials, or the Koch brothers backing him. All I can say for sure is this is not a good time for Boosh. He’s more to be pities than censured, i.e.

    That time of year thou mayst in me behold
    When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang
    Upon those boughs which shake against the cold,
    Bare ruin’d choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.
    In me thou see’st the twilight of such day
    As after sunset fadeth in the west,
    Which by and by black night doth take away,
    Death’s second self, that seals up all in rest.
    In me thou see’st the glowing of such fire
    That on the ashes of his youth doth lie,
    As the death-bed whereon it must expire,
    Consum’d with that which it was nourish’d by.
    This thou perceiv’st, which makes thy love more strong,
    To love that well which thou must leave ere long.

  68. Our neighbor is all in the tank for Rubio…why…his policies, his past record, his maturity and independent thinking. NOPE. She thinks he is cute.
    ——-
    The president of my former company was the consummate cynic. He knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Whenever someone invoked the humanities, the cause of justice, or the better angels of other people, you could count on him to say: get your TLC at home. Don’t bring it to the office etc. Well, southern, your friend could profit from that same advice. She too should get her TLC at home and not bring it to the voting booth. Shall you and I draw straws to see who gets to tell her?

  69. I never believed Microsoft stole Trump votes and gave them to Rubio until I read the Washington Post headline claiming that Microsoft did NOT steal Trump votes and give them to Rubio.

    So Shadow: you wanted proof. Well, there it is.

  70. Shadow!
    You want proof?
    How old fashioned.

    —–Yup, that’s me…the old fashioned woman that doesn’t think that MS Bing was rigged to steal first place from Trump, unless there is some sort of evidence that the software was programmed to do so…meaning that Microsoft is willing to put their companies reputation on the line to make Trump end up 2nd place, so they could later get caught as a real threat to democracy, rigging an election and being sued up the wazoo, and folks tossed in the pokie.

    I could see folks that worked in those caucus shuffling votes, hiding votes, etc…that is nothing new, but MS doing this sort of voter tampering to help RubieSlippers or anyone…I would like to see the evidence on this. One tiny piece of digital evidence would be a good start.

  71. So Shadow: you wanted proof. Well, there it is.

    ———-
    That type of ‘proof’ would not hold up in court.

  72. That type of ‘proof’ would not hold up in court.
    ————
    In the court of public opinion, manipulated by FOX news, don’t be so sure.

  73. Shadow, you keep insisting on evidence. The evidence was on servers which has been wiped clean per standard IRS practice, according to an unimpeachable source—that extraterrestial looking head of the IRS John Kosine. In the absence of evidence we must proceed based on rational inference. Thus, when a proven liar like WashPo says something is categorically not true, the rational inference is that it must be true or else they would simply ignore it. Their reputation (for lying and distorting) precedes them.

  74. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/03/tough_iowa_race_leaves_clinton_reassessing_sanders_129543.html

    Tough Iowa Race Leaves Clinton Reassessing Sanders

    After winning the Iowa caucuses by a margin so slender that her underdog challenger appeared stronger as a result, Hillary Clinton is trying to figure out if Bernie Sanders remains a contender for weeks, or for months.

    New Hampshire could be the high point of Sanders’ presidential bid, considering the hefty lead he has racked up in Granite State polls, or it could put revolutionary fever on ice as the Democratic contest moves past the tiny, liberal and overwhelmingly white New England state to venture into more diverse, populous territory. [snip]

    Sanders currently enjoys an 18-point lead over the former secretary of state in New Hampshire, where Clinton won in 2008 following her memorable burst of teary-eyed candor following a loss days earlier to Barack Obama and John Edwards in Iowa.

    With expectations of a Sanders victory there, the two foes are mulling three challenges.

    First, do they have the right messages for New Hampshire?

    Clearly, Sanders’ rallying cries to think “big” and triumph over a rigged political system and an economy tilted to advantage the “billionaire class” drew young liberals, first-time participants, and the less affluent during the Iowa caucusing. The senator channels the angst of fed-up idealists and reflects the aspirations of struggling families. His message will not change in New Hampshire.

    Clinton’s campaign pitch, on the other hand, could get retooled. Her message is often perceived to be about herself, more than about the electorate. And the former first lady is arguing she is steeped in policy, tough enough to trounce a GOP nominee, and seasoned on the world stage. [snip]

    Second, how are the two candidates playing the expectations game?

    Campaigning in New Hampshire after her Iowa squeaker, Clinton lowered expectations for victory, while Sanders behaved as if he has the home-field advantage. Anything Clinton can do to readjust expectations may help ease the vapors among her Democratic base of supporters, as well as with voters in the contests that follow New Hampshire, and among the media (up to a point). [snip]

    Third, Iowa offered a few lessons about turnout and demographics, as well as campaign organization, heading into New Hampshire’s primary.

    Each candidate inspired enthusiastic turnout in Iowa. But exit polls underscored the generational and ideological splits that will continue to be important in the Democratic contest.

    Sanders did well among younger voters and men, and among new participants in the process. His message resonated with less-educated voters and among those at the lower end of the income scale in Iowa. He attracted support from independent voters, a sizable bloc in New Hampshire’s open-primary process. Sanders won 69 percent of self-described independents in Iowa, according to exit polls.

    Clinton’s backing skewed older, richer, and more female in Iowa. She appealed to the established, practiced Democrats who turned out. She has a head start with Latino and African-American voters.

    The two rivals appeared to have sophisticated ground operations in Iowa, but because the results were a veritable tie, even after Clinton’s considerable investment of resources there, each team will re-examine what it has built in New Hampshire and how much volunteer support it can count on from surrogates and contributors.

    To emulate the successful campaign Barack Obama built in 2008 and 2012, neither candidate can afford to divvy up Democrats and independents by age, race, gender, philosophy, and income and expect to prosper in New Hampshire or other primary states. Clinton may count on that in the general election, but she has to get there first.

    “I’m going to have some work to do with young voters,” Clinton told CNN Tuesday.

  75. SB – I totally agree – I was just thinking how they are both slimy snakes – the only difference being one looks like it, and one doesn’t. (and why would someone want to vote for someone who looks like a little boy, in the first place???) It sounds like your neighbor isn’t too interested in the issues…

  76. Oh, just fyi for those who are wondering if Microsoft and Rubio played a fast one (but since when does someone need proof to wonder…. I’m stuck on that one) – I saw a few references tonight in a thread at conservative treehouse about this alleged Microsoft and Rubio collaboration…. ie, it’s not just being wondered about here….

    In the years since May 31, 2008, I have wondered how many people were being polite but thinking I was whacked when I would say that Hillary had delegates stolen to pull the skinny anti-American across the line. Further making my point by explaining that I saw it live on CSPAN probably cemented their first impression (oh, now it’s a visual hallucination, not just an inaccurate cognitive belief!)

    It can be difficult to hold in your head a possibility (like collusion) when you’re not particularly interested in the first place (ie, it’s not a potential concern for your own candidate) and you haven’t experienced it yourself.

  77. Shadowfax
    February 2, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Where’s the darn proof that Microsoft Bing did anything to cheat away Trump’s votes?

    I get it, you all wanted him to win and are disappointed.

    Microsoft is H1B1 Rubio’s second largest contributor. Nothing is more important in US politics to Bill Gates than slave labor. Nothing. He wants to eliminate world hunger and disease so he will have all the cheap labor he can work to death for pennies. Microsoft develops an app for vote tallying. Media swoons. No one asks them to do it. No one needs them to do it. They don’t have anything better to do but dick with tabulating votes? Then SUDDENLY! out of nowhere their candidate finishes WAY ahead of expectations and polling and common sense because he is just so darn wonderful with his giant ears, “big” heels, and regurgitated agit-prop on cue while sweating like a pig. It may be nothing, it may be something. But Bill Gates is not the most hated man in Silicon Valley (and business everywhere because of his monopolistic business tendencies) because he is a good guy. He is a amoral shark with fake self serving charities. So yes. It gets looked at as everything Gates does.

  78. I have generally not liked Ann Coulter (maybe it has to do with whether she is nice or mean to my candidate?), but she does appear to be a good speaker, and definitely has a good sense of humor…..

  79. Microsoft is H1B1 Rubio’s second largest contributor. Nothing is more important in US politics to Bill Gates than slave labor. Nothing. He wants to eliminate world hunger and disease so he will have all the cheap labor he can work to death for pennies. Microsoft develops an app for vote tallying. Media swoons. No one asks them to do it. No one needs them to do it. They don’t have anything better to do but dick with tabulating votes? Then SUDDENLY! out of nowhere their candidate finishes WAY ahead of expectations and polling and common sense because he is just so darn wonderful with his giant ears, “big” heels, and regurgitated agit-prop on cue while sweating like a pig. It may be nothing, it may be something. But Bill Gates is not the most hated man in Silicon Valley (and business everywhere because of his monopolistic business tendencies) because he is a good guy. He is a amoral shark with fake self serving charities. So yes. It gets looked at as everything Gates does.
    ———–
    Gates’s business practices have been predatory.

    A major lawsuit by the government in the 1990s proved this.

    Why should his political practices today in service of those business interest be any different?

    Especially when there is a clear nexus betweeen:

    a. his massive contributions to Rubio

    b. his need for slave labor

    c. his volunteerism to set up a system of vote counting

    d. the sudden rise of Rubio unpredicted by any poll

    e. the public reaction against FOX which serves to negate the credit they are all taking

    On the other hand, there is no Mafia, the 1960 election was not stolen by the Kennedy/mob alliance based on a promise of no more congressional investigations into a Mafia that did not exist, and Gates would never ever overreach to the point of illegality, even though he has done exactly that in times past, because it would undermine the credibility of his business. Never.

  80. Shadowfax
    February 3, 2016 at 1:27 am
    Wbbs

    This argument seems to be going in circles.

    Where’s the meat?
    ——–
    Ohhhhhhh, its meat you wanted.

    When I was providing satire.

    Momaer has served up what you wanted.

    And it is New York cut, prime grade, broiled to perfection.

  81. https://youtu.be/oHZeYEGwlJI

    This video is well worth revisiting, because it speaks to the central problem of our times, namely the fact that the democrat party and half the electorate are floridly delusional. The tendency is to blame Obama for this, and he deserves all the blame he gets. But the circle of blame cannot stop there. If the big media beloved messiah did not exist, then they would have to invent him. Already they are doing this again as the try to pass off a weak kneed, flap jawed, big eared, neocon, open borders fanatic named Rubio as the new messiah, and the ignoranti are a better than even bet to buy the con. Pathetic.

  82. Proof? There is basis for suspicion. The burden of proof should be on. Microsoft to validate the results with the data. Show me the data. Their lack of transparency is telling.

  83. CNN is reporting that Trump is calling for a new election in Iowa because he says that Cruz cheated by his campaign suggesting that Carson was going back home to Florida?? Did Carson actually go home to Florida…”to get clean clothes”?

    But Trump apparently is not questioning the possible cheating by Rubio and the possible vote manipulation by Microsoft??? But then, Rubio is not the winner in Iowa. Sound like the media establishment mime is that Trump and Cruz are fighting and divisive but the great “uniter” Ruby could unite the party and win the election.

    If Marco is the candidate jammed down our throat once again by the Rep establishment and the media, many of us will either stay home or vote for Hillary…NEVER a slimeball like Rubio.

    I’m listening closely AND TAKING NAMES. If you are a Rep and you are suddenly coming out for Ruby, that tells me you are a RINO establishment Republican and that you are bought and paid for. Tim Scott is now on FOX saying that Rubio is a strong conservative (no mention of his Gang of 8 participation) and has endorsed him. Okay…Tim Scott..just put your name on my list.

  84. wbboei and Momaer –

    If you want to be right that Bill Gates/Bing stole Trumps votes in Iowa, and gave them to RubieSlippers…you are going to have to come up with concrete evidence, not just some conspiracy theory.

    I’m not buying what your sellin’.

  85. Admin: this is part of Richard Fernandez latest contribution:

    But it wasn’t just the Democrats who were trying to steal the insurgent thunder or at least cut a deal. There was a lot of chatter about the GOP leadership trying to get behind one of the rebels. They have to. If the old Republican Houses can no longer ascend to the throne they must at least try to be the power behind it.

    Rupert Murdoch, Tweeting just before Iowa, cryptically hinted at at the existence of various “Plan Bs” in case Hillary faltered. He wrote that if “Hillary email troubles get really serious. WH has surprising alternates if things get worse.” The stakes are so high it’s imperative for all the parties to stay in the game, even by proxy. Too much depends on Washington — it sustains a vast government workforce, supports huge spending programs, pays for giant contracts, etc — to really put it at risk.

    Perhaps the two party insurgency represents the end of an arc that started in 1968 or perhaps even the New Deal that marked the rise of a certain kind of big government expansion in American politics which can go no further. Surely it represents the end of the road for something. Barack Obama was the apotheosis of the old trajectory. But having gone so far it may now be falling back. Big government and rule by the elite is, to paraphrase Marco Rubio’s post-Iowa speech, at that point where it must either proceed to an uber-Obama, or begin a slow retreat.

    The odds are that it will begin a slow retreat. America’s huge postwar success had the same destructive effect upon its political class that the famous “resource curse” has upon Third World countries. It made possible the rise of a parasite class whose voracity required ever more tax dollars to satisfy. At last it may have outrun its means.

    For a long time it was deemed “too big to fail”. The 2016 elections marks the first real indication that a real push-back is possible, but for varying reasons. The Democratic grassroots believe the system will not give them what they want while the conservatives are equally convinced it cannot give them what they need. Either way the discontent has broken out.

    The ideal outcome is for the big government pendulum to swing back without destructive strife so a rebalancing may gradually be achieved. But this depends on the current system being solid enough to take the transition. The challenge facing America is that the Obama years may have weakened it too much to adapt smoothly.

    If the “message” of Iowa is that “both parties are facing hostile takeovers” the critical issue must be which candidate can carry it off. Who represents the strategy which can endure in the crisis surely before us. For the Cold War is officially back. The Washington Post reports the Pentagon’s priority is rebuilding the capability to counter both Russia and China. The New York Times reports that the US is “fortifying” Eastern Europe to resist Putin. The Pentagon is seeking $13 billion from Congress to rebuild the submarine-based nuclear deterrent.

    The War on Terror — even if the administration refuses to call it that — is back as well. There are now 6,000 combatants in Syria and Iraq and probably more to join them. John Kerry has warned that Libya is now as a great a threat to international security as Syria. America is now engaged fighting Islamic expansionism in Africa and has given up any pretense of withdrawing from Afghanistan.

    In summary the world has reverted to precisely that condition which Barack Obama promised to save it from. Like a rock climber who has slipped at every foothold the president is now below the point from which he started. This particular circumstance modifies the question posed by insurgent voters in Iowa. The issue is not which course to follow alone, but also which candidate can better sail the ship in gale.

    Will it be Bernie Sanders with his unabashed socialism? Or Donald Trump with his emphasis on personalistic leadership, albeit or so he claims, of a superior kind to that offered by the incumbent? Is Ted Cruz whose emphasis on the restoration of national Judao-Christian the man to lead when discouraging darkness descends? Or will it be Marco Rubio with his stress on rediscovering the uses of American power in a world riven with fear, danger and doubt? Is it someone else, a figure from even further out in the periphery who is the best man for the job?

    If Iowa represents the beginning of the end for the postwar political orthodoxy, it is also represents what Winston Churchill in another crisis called “the end of the beginning”. It marks the start of uncharted waters. It is not the end of the contest, but its proper beginning. Adapting his classic speech we can venture that from here on things will be subtly different.

    henceforth the elites will meet equally well prepared, and perhaps better opponents not just domestically but abroad. Henceforth they will have to face in many theaters that moral superiority which they once unquestionably boasted was theirs alone and which they intended to use as an instrument for convincing all other peoples that all resistance to them was hopeless.
    There was a time, not long ago, when there was no alternative to them. Those days, thank God, have gone.

  86. Shadow

    You seem to be gloating after Hillary’s unspectacular “win/ tie” in Iowa and Trump’s 2nd place finish. Those of us who support Trump here are not happy to have walked away from Hillary but have no choice as she has changed her positions and embraced Obama. I can only assume you are also an open borders proponent like Rubio et al and you are not concerned about the effects of illegal immigration on our country.

  87. Why shouldn’t people acknowledge Hillary’s win, the clue is in the website name………

    or maybe the name of the board should be changed completely.

    So yes, continue on Shadow…gloat away.

  88. Southern Born

    February 2, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    **********************************

    SB…you ask why should we trust Rubio?

    answer…we should not trust Rubio…or Cruz…neither one of them can be trusted

  89. moon

    I guess my question is why are you still an ardent supporter. Was it ever about her policies? Is it jut about personality or that she is a woman?

  90. totally disgusted

    February 3, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    *****************************

    some Hillary supporters are “compartmentalizing”…and essentially ‘hoping for the best’ or just denying what Hillary is outright telling them she plans to do with ‘protecting O’s legacy’ and taking it further…

    some don’t seem to mind that she is blatantly telling supporters she will continue O’s immigration polices and take them further, keep santuary cities, etc, etc, etc

    ***************

    I would love to have heard Hillary saying the things Donald Trump is saying…that is what I was expecting from her…love to hear her talk about fair trade, creating a border, stopping illegal immigration and question the ‘anchor babies’ we pay for when our own middle class can’t afford to pay their own bills and the ridiculous cost of O’care which Hillary also wants to continue…

    …does she even mention that we are now $19 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt

    I would love to hear Hillary rail against the drug and insurance companies that are benefitting from the Ocare scam she wants to keep…

    but no, she supports O’s freaking legacy and wants to make it stronger…

  91. Donald Trump is getting a personal crash course on how corrupt our political system is…

    Hillary has already been through this ‘ring of fire’

    those were the days when many of us were in shock and disbelief over how a political party could be so deceptive and manipulative…in those days it was “our party, the Democrats”…boy, what a slap in the face and hard lesson it was for so many of us to realize we have been supporting and believing in a party of liars…

    well both parties are actually one when it comes to the massive corruption at the highest levels…

    oh, and one more thing…$5 MILLION dollars from Soros doesn’t seem to concern Hillary supporters…because that will go to ‘good’ use…

    …eyes wide open…

  92. I find it surprising that anyone here – even the most ardent Hill-Haters- would be unhappy that Hillary beat Bernie. Someone has to win the Dim nomination, and that person will face the Repub in the general. Would you honestly prefer to see Bernie within cheating distance of the white house?

    I’m damn glad Hillary won the primary. Would prefer her over Bernie any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  93. Sanders vs Trump, in fact Sanders vs anybody, I can think of nothing worse.

    You think about it…If Sanders won the Presidency, he’d make Obama look like a schoolgirl, he’d be Obama on steroids.

    So yes, fuck it, better the devil I know…..

    Hillary over any of this bunch of asshats.

    Trump, I am sorry is just as fake as they come, he’d do and say anything to get what he wants, he’s as big a snakeoil seller as Obama was, he’d probably switch of a dying person’s ventilator if it did him some good.

    So yes, it might not be perfect, its not what it was in 2008 but over this pack of loons, I’d crawl over hot coal to vote for her.

  94. totally disgusted
    February 3, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    ———
    Maybe you would be able to pin down what I think if you had read more of the blog.

  95. Bye Bye Sweaters…….

    Another GOP departure: CNN has learned RickSantorum will exit race tonight. Plans endorsement.

    They are dropping like flies.

  96. “we should not trust Rubio…or Cruz…neither one of them can be trusted”
    _____________________

    Nor can we trust Donald Trump or 99% of all politicians. But some are not as big of a liar as others. It’s not the garbage said on the campaign trail…it is the politicians’ past history, what they stood up for, their actions, do they flip flop in a big way…as in going from Gang of 8 to opposing it now… continually to gain votes. I agree with the person who said that the politicians should be forced to wear endorsement patches on their suits like Nascar drivers so we can see who their big donors are…then…then we can see where they are headed and who bought and paid for them.

  97. Shadow, on the question of whether Microsoft rigged the Iowa election, and your skepticism that anything of this nature could ever happen with such an entity, the factors we look for in a criminal case are present, i.e. motive, means and opportunity are present. Momaer has identified the motive and it could not be more clear. Means is established by the fact that Microsoft volunteered to count the votes. The only remaining issue is means, which is, I think, what you are asking about. Here are some things you may wish to consider, and please, just think about them. It will require further investigation obviously, but if the system is to have any integrity these questions will need to be answered. And even if you assume that contrary to their previous record Microsoft did all this for the best of reasons, as a volunteer, these questions are germane. American law does not require someone to act as a good Samaritan, but if the undertake that role, they bear responsibility for their actions. Here are the things to look at:

    1. first, how the stage was set, i.e. FOX shamelessly promoting Rubio in the two days leading up to the primary, and their giving him a 30 minute interview on the day of the caucus. That is part of a coodinated effort by the open borders crowd across corporate America.

    2. second, the fact the fact that the incoming and outgoing polls were a direct match, but the voting result varied widely from those. Therein lies your smoking gun. The differential was distributed between Cruz, and to Rubio for different reasons, i.e. in one case to knock off Trump by a candidate who will be easily dispatched in future states, and in the other to lay the groundwork for the eventual rise of Rubio.

    3. third, the fact that during the caucus, the Microsoft app broke down in key districts and the results had to be called in, which is a recipt for fraud, as we saw in the 2008 primary.

    4. fourth, the fact that also in 2008, the same thing happened to Ron Paul.

    Trump was prepared to accept the results as the will of the people in Iowa, until he discovered that this was not the will of the people in Iowa, but the result of an opportunistic opponent, and more insidiously the work of Gates, inter alia. The first point is obvious. The second point is circumstantial, but credible. It will require further investigation, and that is being done. Just remember what I said, i.e. motive, opportunity and means.

  98. moononpluto
    February 3, 2016 at 12:57 pm
    Why shouldn’t people acknowledge Hillary’s win, the clue is in the website name………

    or maybe the name of the board should be changed completely.

    So yes, continue on Shadow…gloat away.

    ———–
    Thanks Moon.

    Actually, I am not gloating, but I am glad to still see some Hillary supporters on HILLARYis44.

    Besides being excited that Hillary is finally running again for President, I am sick and effin’ tired of the Hillary supporters being the simi-silent group on this blog. My frustration didn’t just start, and all Hillary supporters should be speaking their mind, just like all the Trump supporters here have been and will continue to do.

    When Pink changes to a Trumpis45 website, turns color…then I will fall away and just lurk.

    Until then, all of our voices are welcome to Admin, as far as I can see.

  99. Perhaps maybe there was a simple fact of the numbers were not there for him and on the night reporters were asking questions and in many disctricts there was a lot of first time voters who significantly anybody but Trump vote registering.

    This also is possible but flinging it wildly into the wind, well never know either way but go ahead, throw conspiracies, it keeps the brain going.

  100. Caveat: Microsoft can pull this sort of thing off in close elections, or where there are multiple candidates. They can steal votes from marginal candidates, give them to Rubio and no one is the wiser. But when it winnows down to two or three candidates, and when the polls show a landslide for Trump, they will not undertake this effort.

  101. No-o-o! Sweaters is going. Bummer! Plans endorsement. Well, that will make a huge difference don’t you think. I’ll probably change my mind according to who Santorum is supporting. [wink]

    Seriously, do endorsements make a big difference these days? Seems kinda arrogant to me. I’m the great Sweaters or whoever and the great me is endorsing…this candidate. So you voters out there who are stupid, listen up!

    Can people not think for themselves and see behind this charade?

    Endorsements change my mind and are about as important to me as a warm bucket of spit.

  102. wbboei
    February 3, 2016 at 2:01 pm
    Shadow, on the question of whether Microsoft rigged the Iowa election, and your skepticism that anything of this nature could ever happen with such an entity

    ———
    Hold it up right there Wbbs, you are assuming this robbery happened, to a certain person from a certain company.

    My only question is, let’s see some facts, not just jumping to the conclusion that this did happen.

  103. So who’s left…..

    Cruz Schmooze
    Rubio slippers
    Humpty Trumpty
    Christie Kreme
    Fiorina Semolina
    Bush Moosh
    Kasich (fuck all rhymes with that idiots name)
    Carson (currently whereabouts unknown, apparently doing washing in Florida)(not officially fucked off but you all know he is)
    Gilmore Girl

    9 left….who’s next….

    Santorum fell today along with Rand, Huck is dust as is

  104. I know we have not had any entertinment out of Sweaters this year and he’s buggered off way too early. What a boring twit.

  105. Correction: OPPORTUNITY is established by the fact that Microsoft volunteered to count the votes

    ——–
    Okay, so with that logic, anyone in any of the caucus rooms had the opportunity to steal someone’s vote card, bully them into sumission on their vote, etc.

    It doesn’t prove that all these people stole votes, just because they could have.

  106. There are also some things about Rubio that may or may not come out as time goes on:

    1. first, he has promoted the fiction that his parents came to this country to flee Castro, when in fact his parents came over in 1956 which was three years before Castro took over.

    2. second, his parents were not refugees. They worked in the Meyer Lansky operation. Meyer was the banker for the Mafia. He owned one of thee largest hotel/casinos in Havana. He brought them here to work in his Miami hotels.

    3. third, Rubio was arrested for pedopelia years ago, and the record was expunged. Investigative reporters are working on this, and we shall see how that effort plays out.

    You can see why the establishment would pick someone like this. They have enough on him, that they can control him, and everyone knows he is willing to lie to constituents and do the bidding of the elites, as evidenced by his open borders position and his neocon tendencies.

    If you want to know where this information comes from all I can tell you is it comes from the people who know him best, in his home state of Florida.

    Yea, sure, it could all be rumor etc. All I ask you to do is remember this and keep an open mind.

  107. Shadowfax
    February 3, 2016 at 2:17 pm
    ——–
    An open mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    It leaves one in the position of watching the train go by and saying: what happened?

    It is best to direct ones skepticism toward those in power because power corrupts, and power attracts corrupt people.

  108. Okay, so with that logic, anyone in any of the caucus rooms had the opportunity to steal someone’s vote card, bully them into sumission on their vote, etc.

    It doesn’t prove that all these people stole votes, just because they could have.
    ——
    I think the disparity between the in and out polls vs. the voting results, should make a skeptical person like you shadow skeptical. It does not mean you need to believe it. You can wait for the evidence. But dismissing this possibility at the outset is where you and I differ.

  109. moononpluto
    February 3, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    Jeb, its embarrassing …GO HOME.
    ————-
    That is interesting. I would have thought you would want him to hang around and use the $53 million he has left to take down Rubio, so that Hillary will have a cake walk in the general election.

  110. Its just so embarrassing, Jeb’s making George W look like a fucking genius in retrospect……but yet I am curiously enjoying the fact of his constant humiliation day by day, does he a voice in his head that keeps telling him, he’s winning?

  111. You can wait for the evidence. But dismissing this possibility at the outset is where you and I differ.

    ———-
    I do wait for the evidence, if I didn’t, I could wander off and think that Hillary was screwed out of votes, because of the worthless polls.

    But I don’t until there is evidence like there was in Texas, on video in 2008. Before that, it was just a feeling people had.

  112. Correction: OPPORTUNITY is established by the fact that Microsoft volunteered to count the votes

    ——–
    Okay, so with that logic, anyone in any of the caucus rooms had the opportunity to steal someone’s vote card, bully them into sumission on their vote, etc.

    It doesn’t prove that all these people stole votes, just because they could have.
    ———–
    Shadow: you have not been to a caucus, have you? Well, I have been to two of them. And the stealing of votes can and does happen exactly as you say. But what I want you to do is train your mind on something the bard of Moscow said many moons ago: “It does not matter who votes. What matters is who counts the votes”–Joseph Stalin. And in Iowa, who would that someone who counts the votes be? Microsoft. And that is why the statistical disparity should give you pause. Really.

  113. Yipes, who the heck is Jim Gilmore? He only got 12 votes from his family members? Did he just end up on the ballot for the fun of it, or was he a real candidate on the JV team?

    Poor little Sweaters only beat Gilmore.

    REPUBLICAN CAUCUS
    Delegates: 30
    Candidate Votes
    Ted Cruz ✓ 51,666
    Donald Trump 45,427
    Marco Rubio 43,165
    Ben Carson 17,395
    Rand Paul 8,481
    Jeb Bush 5,238
    Carly Fiorina 3,485
    John Kasich 3,474
    Mike Huckabee 3,345
    Chris Christie 3,284
    Rick Santorum 1,783
    Jim Gilmore 12

  114. Shadowfax
    February 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm
    You can wait for the evidence. But dismissing this possibility at the outset is where you and I differ.

    ———-
    I do wait for the evidence, if I didn’t, I could wander off and think that Hillary was screwed out of votes, because of the worthless polls.

    But I don’t until there is evidence like there was in Texas, on video in 2008. Before that, it was just a feeling people had.
    ——
    Shadow. I was there on the ground in Texas. Remember?

  115. Shadow, everyone on that list under Rubio needs to stop and let the 3 of them duke it out……

    I wonder what happens in a 3 way GOP race, if my suspicion is bourne out, Trump will be in trouble, he needs a croded divided field to continue.

  116. moononpluto
    February 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm
    Its just so embarrassing
    ——
    Which makes him a useful idiot/

    But don’t lets forget useful idiots have their use.

  117. wbb

    I have worked at the polls, several times, no caucus only have seen them on video.

    Voting machines are a risk, people counting by hand are a risk. Thugs standing outside of polling places with a baseball bat, are a big risk…voter registration is a risk, even transporting ballots by people driving and delivering ballots is a risk.

    Where there are people involved, there is the ‘opportunity’ of voter tampering. There is a risk of computer tampering, a risk of tampered computer code…all a risk.

    Risk does not prove guilt.

  118. SB, I hear ya. An endorsement means less than nothing to me. I guess if a candidate who dropped out had a significant number of followers who voted according to the drop-out’s endorsement, maybe this could benefit the candidate endorsed. That’s not the case for most of the JV Repub players.

  119. I wonder what happens in a 3 way GOP race, if my suspicion is bourne out, Trump will be in trouble, he needs a croded divided field to continue.

    He will not run
    He may run but he will be out by September
    He will die by the polls
    etc. etc. etc.

  120. Shadow. I was there on the ground in Texas. Remember?

    ——-
    You let them do this? 😉 Just joking.

    Yup, and I was in Nevada trying to keep the bs from hitting the fan there too.

  121. Lets face it, most of the republican field is basically the VP sweepstakes……

    Its a look at me for 2nd slot…

  122. moononpluto
    February 3, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    Yup, three is enough.

    I wouldn’t mind if Christie says in a little while longer, he is better than listening to Cruz or RubieSlippers.

  123. Voting machines are a risk, people counting by hand are a risk. Thugs standing outside of polling places with a baseball bat, are a big risk…voter registration is a risk, even transporting ballots by people driving and delivering ballots is a risk.
    ———
    Then, by your logic, all risks are equal.

    Well, Stalin would disagree, i.e.

    “It does not matter who votes.

    What matters is who counts the votes.”

  124. I have always believed that Obama holds all the levers of the NSA’s spying program. He is theJ. Edgar Hoover of the current time. He knows where all the dirt is and how he can use it. Once known as the Chicago Way, this man now has the FBI, CIA, NSA and any Govt agency at his fingertips. I have always suspected that he governs by exploiting this secret police style of manipulation, intimidation and arm twisting. Hillary has to support him…or else. He can unleash the dogs. Obama wants to control this election and probably the next one. He is not going to give up his place to Hillary, easily. She hopes to hold him at bay until she has the levers. You know that they both hate each other. I always keep this scenario in mind before I get disappointed in Hillary.

  125. I wish O’malley was still there, his squeaky weird voice always had me in hoots of laughter. It was like having the village idiot over for dinner.

  126. You let them do this? 😉 Just joking.
    ——-
    I served as precinct captain in Laredo—we won by a 10-1 margin.

    We had trouble however in other precincts, bots ripped the doors off the gymansium, democratic party operatives not understanding the caucus rules, ballot challenges, etc. Still, we prevailed in that district by a 2 to 1 margin. A well run caucus can work–but somebody needs to take charge. A poorly run caucus is a cluster fuck, like we saw in Houston.

  127. Then, by your logic, all risks are equal.

    ———–
    I didn’t say all risks are equal.

    Having opportunity does not necessarily equate to committing a crime.

    Small example: I was the head vault teller at BofA while I put myself through college, I certainly had great opportunity, but I never committed a crime.

  128. moononpluto
    February 3, 2016 at 3:11 pm
    I wish O’malley was still there, his squeaky weird voice always had me in hoots of laughter. It was like having the village idiot over for dinner.
    ———–
    For of all sad words of tongue and pen
    The saddest are these: It might have been.

    His fatal step/

    He NEVER should have said all lives matter.

    Yes, he apologized for this micro aggression against black people

    But he was never able to unring the bell.

  129. Moon, don’t worry.

    Trump will give you plenty of entertainment this year…maybe too much for us.

    Maybe we can get more Larry David skits out of Bernie. Then again, Bernie might show his crazy side, like Admin pointed out a few threads ago. That might be entertaining???

  130. My favorite lines of ‘What’s-His-Name’ were:

    “When do I get to talk?

    Hey, no one is calling on me!

    When is it my turn?

    I am going to talk now…”

  131. Shadow: on the question of means (as opposed to motive and opportunity) the relevant facts are that microsoft ran the show, apps collapsed in critical precincts, the voting results did not match the pre and post election polls, and this was deja vu 2008 all over again. When you combine that with motive and opportunity, it warrants rational suspicion. A prosecutor would investigate on this evidence, and would indict if the evidence confirmed the suspicion. A prosecutor would not say, I don’t believe it, it is tin foil hat stuff, etc. That, I submit, is where we are with that one.

  132. I am so sad, the two headed whackadoole is going back to yanking teeth.

    He was a dentist, oral surgeon…right?

    Another one bites the dust, and another one….

  133. Being from S. Florida, I have watched the rise of Rubio, which has been steady from his time in the State legislature to his election to the Senate. I wouldn’t say he is Teflon, but he has managed to rise despite a number of accusations that could have easily derailed him. I think the most interesting thing is that Jeb really was a mentor to him and taught him the importance of learning/mastering policy to make up for his youth/inexperience. I wouldn’t feel confident with him as POTUS.

  134. Shadow.

    I read this blog everyday and have read all your posts.
    Moon sounds a bit like Trump hate.

    And for the record I don’t hate Hillary…at all. I’m not sure that Bernie would be worse. I do respect the campaign he is running except his recent “conversion” to pleasing Obama after their meeting. But I do think both would be terrible for our future.

    Its too bad posters can’t all stick to the issues and avoid name calling. I read this blog to hear divergent opinions on national policy.

  135. Cruz actually just made me laugh,

    Cruz..Donald is throwing yet another temper tantrum or if you like, another Trumpertantrum .

  136. Cruz has had lots of temper tantrums right on the US Senate Floor.

    Just coming across twitter now. I’ve never heard of Bill Still, but he sounds sane and capable to me. So in the interest if USA, I place it here. Should there be comments directed at me over posting this, please consider that until this morning, I gave to Ted’s campaign as I give to
    Donald’s.
    Still Report #569 – Cruz Using Hi-Tech Dirty Tricksters
    http://youtu.be/X8hJofse56g

  137. Its too bad posters can’t all stick to the issues and avoid name calling. I read this blog to hear divergent opinions on national policy.

    ———-
    My folks taught me to never talk about religion or politics with others.

    Well, I get the religion part…but I find politics pretty darned exciting/frustrating since 2007. PUMAPac and BigPink are my first attempts to blog.

    Politics is a difficult subject to discuss without the individual investments getting in the way. Tempers sometimes flare, especially since the Hillary/Trump support happened…but some of us are still here, along with Admin, so that’s a pretty stable community, in my opinion.

    More people lurk, maybe because it’s a difficult subject to discuss. I don’t think any one person agrees with one specific candidate 100% of the time. This is partly where the battles take place.

    The way I look at it, jump in, the waters are pretty warm but they do not burn.

  138. freespirit…from my POV, I do not know anyone here who is a Hillary hater…

    I do not come here to trade snarky comments with other posters…

    personally if there is nothing we do not know about to derail hillary I have said I think she gets the nomination…I have not read any comments here from anyone preferring that Bernie Sanders win the nomination

    so I do not know where that is coming from…

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    Southern Born

    February 3, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    “we should not trust Rubio…or Cruz…neither one of them can be trusted”
    _____________________

    Nor can we trust Donald Trump or 99% of all politicians.
    ********************************

    i agree SB however you neglected to include Hillary … she is in there too…it would be naive to think Hillary is the only trustworthy candidate out there and it would contradict some of people currently supporting her who hope she is doing bait and switch re: O

    ********************************************************************

    however I believe that she does plan to keep O’s legacy alive…hence the $5 MILLION dollar injection from Soros to follow “their plan”

    just about one hour ago I saw Bill Clinton on tv saying that Hillary is the only candidate that will continue what President O has started…

    they are all in with this ‘continuing O’s legacy’ stuff…and speaking for myself, it is very disappointing and further it makes me ill.

  139. I wanted to add but the computer cut me off…

    I wanted to say that I have loved Bill and Hillary Clinton since I found them in at least the 1990’s, maybe earlier I can’t remember right now…I worked on his campaign when I lived in LA, I did fundraisers…

    my friends and others grew sick of me pitching Bill and Hillary and how great they were and for the country…bla, bla, bla…everyone that knew me knew how hard I worked for them and how much I supported them…

    so I take a backseat to NO ONE HERE on how much I have supported and been connected to the Clintons for how many years that adds up to be

    however country before party…i cannot understand how all the people here who have complained about O for years and called him a fraud, etc and hated his policies are now ok with Hillary continuing them…

    I get it…you love Hillary and you hope she will do a big turnaround…that’s a gamble, especially with the party she inherits, the people that have given her money, the powers that are influencing her on open borders, immigration, Ocare, etc

    She is right up there with the largest amount of contributions from Wall St…

    Her message is a mess…on one hand she talks about “working every day for the middle class” as almost a throwaway comment and on the other she is going to support more illegals, do nothing for the borders, more santuary cities,more of those visas that put Americans out of work, and fight to keep Ocare…which subsidizes drug and insurance companies and everyone but the hard working middle class

    and still she has not uttered one word about Americans killed by illegals or all the women being raped by Islamic terrorists…she will not even say Islamic terrorist…this is because of the powers behind her…she is not her own person anymore…

    My discussions are about policies, not personalities…that is what i care about…

  140. wbboei

    February 3, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    Shadow: you have not been to a caucus, have you? Well, I have been to two of them. And the stealing of votes can and does happen exactly as you say. But what I want you to do is train your mind on something the bard of Moscow said many moons ago: “It does not matter who votes. What matters is who counts the votes”–Joseph Stalin. And in Iowa, who would that someone who counts the votes be? Microsoft. And that is why the statistical disparity should give you pause. Really.

    *****************************************

    wbboei…and please do not forget that six of the contests in the democratic caucus were won by COIN TOSSES…and coincidently Hillary won all of them…unfreakingbelievable how the democrats do the business of the people…

    can you imagine how some people here would have felt if Bernie, or Trump, or anyone but Hillary won ALL of the coin tosses…they would have been screaming ‘fraud’, not fair, etc, etc, etc

    very selective positions going on…i prefer objectivity even if i do not want to hear or like the truth…

  141. S

    Should some of us just support Trump and just let it go at that?

    Should we all think and defend Trump, even if we disagree with him, just so all of us fit under the same Pink tent?

    You don’t think Hillary will make a great President, I do.

    I don’t try to change your mind. I don’t try to convince you that I am right and you are wrong.

    I make comments that I agree with and disagree with. That’s all.

    In 2008 I tried to convince many people that Hillary would be a great President over Obama…talked until I was blue in the face, and it did almost no good. Like many here, I lost some friends because I did not support Obama.

    I am not about to think I can change anyone’s mind any longer. I just blog on what I see, and what I think…that’s it.

    I won’t loose a minute of sleep if you vote for Trump or anyone else does. I admit I do get excited when I hear of new people that support Hillary and want to work with me in my area, to support her.

    I am voting for Hillary, not the ruined Democratic Party, not the bs Republican Party.

    At one point, I was so mad at Hillary for not fighting to win, that I was seriously thinking of voting for Trump in the primary, and voting for Hillary in the General.

    I lost respect for Trump a few months ago, and would never vote for him over Hillary in the primary now.

  142. Shadow…you are missing the point…it is all about policies, not the person…

    You can do whatever you want…I do not care who you vote for, I am not trying to change your mind or anyone elses

    I am trying to have a discussion as I have said over and over again on what the person who wins is telling us they plan to do with the power they will have

    if you take exactly what Hillary is saying and instead put O in that place saying the same things…will you feel the same way? that is what I am getting at

    as for ‘trumptantrum’ and all the other nickie names and snarks, it feels silly to me…and that goes for when Trump does it too…

    Stop thinking I am trying to change your mind…I am not…I was trying to understand your logic, but I have figured it out

  143. S
    February 3, 2016 at 6:07 pm
    Santorum to endorse an opponent tonight…

    any guesses

    ——–
    Didn’t Sweaters go to the fundraiser with Huckleberry and Trump? If so, I would think the would endorse Trump.

  144. If the JV team, crash and burn, and their supporters rush to Cruz, Trump and RubyS are in trouble.

    We will have to see how this shakes out.

  145. The Libertarian posts I have been reading on blogs, show them with no interest in Cruz and favorable on Trump.

  146. now there is a big exodus of cubans coming into the USA and then we give them money when they get here and after 8 months they get status to stay…

    Fox news reports they just get to the Texan border and walk across…

    Is this ok? what does the Democratic frontrunner and party feel about this?

  147. Rubio has pulled in over $2 million over the last 2 days mostly from small donors in a massive uptick of donations….

  148. “i agree SB however you neglected to include Hillary … she is in there too…it would be naive to think Hillary is the only trustworthy candidate out there and it would contradict some of people currently supporting her who hope she is doing bait and switch.”
    ________________
    I think I said 99% of all politicans are not to be trusted completely so that means BOTH parties and ALL politicans. I listed Rubio, Cruz because you had mentioned them and I added Trump.

  149. Rand Paul had very little of the vote and it is going to split between the candidates. It will have virtually no effect. Now Carson, that is going to be important when he drops out.

  150. Trumpertantrum
    _________

    Shadow, when we heard Shepherd Smith use that term today on TV, we started laughing and have gotten a chuckle all afternoon.

  151. Interesting, Is Trump making a mistake, this is what happened to Hillary in 2008……

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-resists-staff-calls-to-change-course-218711

    In the lead-up to Donald Trump’s loss in Iowa, staffers sought additional funding for campaign infrastructure and were denied.

    Now, six days from the New Hampshire primary and looking for his first win, Trump is still refusing to shake up his ground game. He has added just one paid organizer in the state, a move that came a month ago. Instead, he is pushing ahead with plans to campaign outside of the state in the final week of voting and will count on the glamour of famous surrogates, including his sons, who plan to tour New Hampshire beginning this weekend.

    Even as Republicans here warn that Trump does not appear to have the ground game to match his sky-high expectations and the campaign grapples with internal disagreements about investments in infrastructure, campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said Trump should and would stay the course heading into Monday’s primary.

    Having Eventbrite names and email addresses isn’t campaign data. It’s nice, but you need voter files,” said a person who has worked with the campaign and who called the lack of interest in data “very frustrating.”

    On Tuesday, Trump conceded that he did not invest enough in his Iowa infrastructure. “In retrospect, we could have done much better with the ground game,” he said on Fox News.

    But while the campaign has shifted resources into the first primary state, that move amounted to a single staffer – Stuart Jolly, a former Americans for Prosperity operative brought onto the campaign to focus on the southern states that vote on March 1.

    One person familiar with the move said Jolly was brought in because New Hampshire state director Matt Ciepielowski, a 2011 college graduate, was “in over his head.”
    Said former Gov. John H. Sununu, “One of the keys to building an organization is you have to be here a lot, so you can draw your own conclusion from that.” Unlike Chris Christie, Jeb Bush and John Kasich, who have all blanketed the state with appearances, Trump has spread his campaign rallies across the country. He spent Wednesday in Little Rock and will travel to South Carolina on Friday.

    “They’re not working hard up here. They’re just not,” said Williams. “They’re taking New Hampshire for granted given the polling but there’s a real chance he could lose.”

    …………………………

    Kind of 2008 redux. Don’t take it for granted, people notice.

  152. So Jimmy Carter endorses Trump. Reason enough to vote for him then!!! Good grief.

    If Carson has a lot of supporters and when he drops out or goes home permanently for fresh clothes then as some say, it may be important because he may convince his supporters to go for one other candidate. No wonder Donald Trump is having a Trumpertantrum and tryhing to cause a war between Carson and Cruz.

  153. Wbb, S,

    If the shoe was on the Hillary foot, there would be screams of conspiracy. ..The fact that they won’t release the Democratic votes and Hillary wins 6 delegates by a “coin” toss?
    Next we’ll hear that a race was determined by a cock fight lol.
    This is how the “greatest” nation the world has ever seen determine’s a leader…

  154. I heard light in the loafers Lindsey speak to Donalds absence in NH…
    I do think it’s a mistake. ..People don’t like to be taken for granted.

  155. Ben

    Clean clothes are always a plus.

    Better yet, if you are running for President and just need to leave the state for clean clothes, how about bringing your wife out with a suitcase full? Take her out for a nice dinner and night on the town as a thank you.

    The charge on the plane isn’t that bad for one suitcase.

    Or, if you only need undies, Sears is pretty cheap for a Doctor.

    If you need to go home for personal reasons, that’s okay too. Just say you have something personal to take care of.

    Problem solved.

  156. The fact that they won’t release the Democratic votes

    —–
    I agree, and did above, with Admin, that all the Dem votes need to be transparent.

    Who knows, maybe only five people voted for the three candidates. They sure took all night to count those votes…something was amiss.

  157. I guess I want more than a puppet in the oval office. Bush, Obama and Rubio have been that and nothing more. Obama has one further attribute which not be overlooked in any beauty contest between those three. He is floridly delusional, as amply demonstrated by the Kroft interview. The elites are so anxious to have a cypher in that position who will be their trained poodle, that they have totally forgotten that the job requires far more than that, plus a loyalty to this country which is conspicuous by its absence.

  158. Twelve world leaders just signed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a secretive deal that makes a mockery of democracy. Donald Trump opposes it. Hillary Clinton… well, who knows.

    You need to think twice before you snark off about Trump.

  159. If Trump is going to run a ground game, I think he needs to accept campaign contributions. It think right now he is still thinking that the American People will be able to rise up and fight for themselves. Maybe he is waiting to see if they will do it. Iowa was a mixed signal. The turnout says yes, but the results say no. Maybe they have not got the news or maybe the system is too corrupted.

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