Iowa Caucus 2016: Prairie Fire Pre-Civil War Revolution Realignment With @RealDonaldTrump, #Hillary2016, @BernieSanders

Update: Prediction time. Speak now. We’ve made our predictions, now put up or kiss-up.



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Understand this: The governed withdraw their consent from the corrupt political establishment. We’re in a pre-Civil War situation. America 2016 is late stage America of the 1819 Missouri Compromise, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854, Dred Scott decision of 1857, and finally the presidential election of 1860. The stakes are that high. Iowa today possibly sets off the prairie fire.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Only a successful next president that can lead the country and unify it via clear, undisputed economic achievement with resonant leadership can prevent the fraying and eventual dissolution or the long painful circle the drain vortex.

Today, put aside whom you like, whom you favor, this candidate is nice, that candidate is creepy, I like her, I hate him, he’s a pig, he is great, blah, blah blah candidate talk – put that all aside. Put aside the pseudo-intellectual posing drivel that Iowa matters except when it doesn’t and today is nothing to get excited about. This election in Iowa today is potentially the big one. You’ll never live long enough to see it’s like. The Roosevelt election in the 1930s, Reagan, JFK, Buchanan/Obama, Wilson, pikers all. This could be the big one of our lifetimes and many lifetimes after that. Or it could be a fizzle. Just another election. But the chances this is the big one, are… big. And that’s not normal and it is something to watch with awe.

Consider the implications of a Bernie Sanders win in Iowa today. That would mean the Democratic Party electorate in Iowa is gone full tilt kook. That’s our bias talking. Let’s put it another way to comply with our above edict, a Bernie Sanders win means the Democratic Party electorate in Iowa has gone far left as in 1972 with George McGovern and wants to take the national party with them – only further further left.

A Bernie Sanders win in Iowa will not be powered by an agrarian prairie fire revolt even though it is Iowa. A Bernie Sanders win is an Obama coalition victory of callow youth, identity totalitarians, and leftist world-views. It will be a class based, snooty, leftist, identity politics coup. A Bernie Sanders win will not be a prairie fire set to blaze by the working class of the majority white population. A Bernie Sanders win will be a triumph of the left contemptuous of the white working class.

For clarity of analysis we can all be thankful that Bernie Sanders chose not to attack Hillary Clinton on emails, Benghazi, personality, and such. Because of this (tactically foolish to our eyes) tactic on Sanders’ part a victory over Hillary Clinton will be a “clean” one based on the ideological composition of the leftist powers of the Obama Party.

If Bernie Sanders wins in Iowa, the chances of a nationwide Democratic Party realignment from the working class labor base into the situation comedy demographics identity politics of an Obama Coalition based party increase substantially. If Bernie Sanders wins Iowa, he wins New Hampshire, and then all the Clinton firewalls face a prairie fire that can burn them all down.

Hillary Clinton? She’s run such a bizarre campaign, it’s not really a campaign but an embarrassment. A victory for Hillary in Iowa means survival, not much else.

On the Republican side, as in 1860, torches and pitchforks are arrayed in preparation for a revolutionary tournament.

The story is Donald J. Trump on the GOP side. As we’ve written before, Donald Trump represents the destruction of the Republican Party. That destruction became inevitable once Barack Obama destroyed the Democratic Party and reshaped it into such a warped creature that now the nonentity called Bernie Sanders appears ready for a victory in Iowa to be followed by a victory in New Hampshire which begins the fire which consumes the Clinton political history.

Again, as we have written before, Donald Trump can take over the Republican Party because Barack Obama chased out seniors, and the white working class, among others. These orphan populations headed to the cold environs of the Republican Party. Then Donald Trump came along and offered a warm home, with a welcoming hearth, some hot soup, and a promise to Make America Great Again and throw out Barack Obama and his circus troupe from their occupation of the White House.

If Donald Trump wins the Iowa Caucuses today, as we have written months ago, Donald Trump gets the nomination. That’s conventional wisdom now but not when we wrote it. Now here’s the kicker: If Donald Trump wins the Iowa Caucuses and the nomination, then the likelihood the Republican Party is irrevocably changed increases dramatically. We believe that will happen if Trump (1) wins the Iowa Caucuses; (2) wins the nomination; (3) wins the presidency. We think all three are very very likely to happen.

Can it happen? Will it happen? What is the best Trump can expect? What is the best Bernie Sanders can expect? What is the best Hillary Clinton can expect?

The best that Hillary Clinton can expect is a win of more than 10 points that flattens Bernie Sanders – which gives her momentum and lays to rest all the doubts we and many others have expressed with barely concealed contempt. Hillary should have packed this Bernie loon into the lake a long time ago. But she couldn’t because she believes she can get the kooks to like and vote for her. That is delusional. So for Hillary, a victory will be a win that destroys Sanders, but it won’t get her much other than a victory over a loon. Hillary has to realize her problem is not Sanders but Barack Obama. But Hillary is so wacked out she seems to think packaging herself as the Obama third term is a solution, not the problem it is.

Bernie Sanders needs a win. Nothing less. A loss of a quarter point won’t be worth a gallon of piss. Bernie Sanders needs a win. If Bernie Sanders wins Iowa, then he wins New Hampshire, then he loses less in the later primaries and his great fear becomes Barack Obama’s machinations to torpedo Sanders and Hillary and impose the Obama secret candidate to be revealed at the convention. Bernie Sanders needs a win. A big win for Sanders would be a Muskie moment for Hillary.

Donald Trump? Donald Trump does not need to win the Iowa Caucuses. But a loss, even a slight loss, makes his road a lot tougher, but not an impossible road to travel.

Can Trump win? We think so. We think Trump probably will win. In fact, we think that the Iowa surprise could be a big Donald Trump win. But it won’t matter. Trump just needs to win – even by a single vote.

Yes we think Trump will win the Iowa Caucuses. But, but, but, such is the unpredictable nature of the Iowa Caucuses that we cannot really figure out some basic equations. For instance, there is a storm headed towards Iowa tonight. We cannot say if a storm or bad weather in Iowa tonight, as the Iowa Caucuses begin, is good news or bad news for Trump or Sanders, or Clinton. The polls say the Trump, and oddly the Clinton supporters, not the Sanders’ supporters, are the most committed to their candidate. The polls also seem to imply that the Trump and Sanders campaigns are the ones that need many new voters to go to the caucuses. So does a Trump cheerleader hope for a storm thinking that the committed Trump voters will show up to vote no matter if Hell freezes over – or – does a Trump cheerleader hope for a lovely evening so that many Iowans who have never voted before leave their homes to Trump, Trump, Trump? Brit Hume who hates Trump is either setting up the expectations game or he really does think Trump has it in the bag:

Brit Hume: The polling suggests that Donald Trump does not need a big surge from first time voters. He is leading with those who describe themselves as mainstream Republicans, which means if all things are equal and we get a normal or perhaps an enlarged turnout, he’ll be fine. And if there is a huge surge of new voters, he does very well among them, he could win going away. I think this poll suggests it’s going to be tough for one of his challengers to overtake him.

We also cannot assess the impact of all the ads this weekend in Iowa. We’re not there. Donald Trump is being hammered by ads. But so are Rubio and Cruz and many others. Ads, ads, ads. Do they matter?

We also cannot assess the impact of the non-stop Fox News war against Trump this past week and weekend. Does any voter in Iowa believe Fox News and their subtle digs against Trump in matters great and small? We don’t think so, but we can’t make a real assessment because we are not in Iowa. We also do now know how the other campaigns will strategize and to whom they will give their support at the caucuses themselves in order to play “block Trump from victory”.

We do know that if Ted Cruz does not win Iowa his campaign is dead. There will be no comeback. Trump will inherit the Cruz voters quickly. We do know that if Huckabee and Santorum do not win in Iowa their campaigns are deader than the death state they are in already. We do know that if Ben Carson does not come in second his campaign will survive only until South Carolina, if that long.

We do know that the polls suggest that Trump is on top in Iowa. Today’s last poll continues to post Trump on top, but topples Hillary in favor of Saint Bernard. Has Bernie Sanders surged the little bit he needs to win? But if Bernie Sanders wins it means that all the millions Hillary spent in the Iowa field of dreams has become a nightmare. In that case Hillary will wish she followed our advice.

What is the best outcome for Trump from the Iowa Caucuses? First a big win. Second a Hillary loss. That might be exactly what happens.

For those that hate Donald Trump, we offer a few reasons to cheer him on. First, a Donald Trump win will be a victory of an inspirational, mass movement campaign of the people, over a technocratic data driven machine that thinks of people as an old IBM card to be folded, spindled, and mutilated (although the Trump campaign claims a well run ground game it prefers to keep secret). Second, a Donald Trump win will be a great victory in the war against Big Media corruption of our politics, in this case one which specifically targets Fox News and hopefully in the future monstrosities such as NBC, MSNBC, and the rest of the Big Media monsters. Big Media is the enemy.

We think Bernie Sanders will win tonight. We will find that a catastrophe but Hillary should have listened to us.

We think Trump will win. We will cheer him on. His campaign already has achieved so much. We’ll have an idea that Trump has won early if traffic picks up in Iowa streets and roads as the hour approaches. We’ll have an idea that Trump has won big if the turnout is indeed over 135,000. We think we will know all this rather early too, not past bedtime.

We think Trump has run a masterful campaign. In a sense, the primary ends tonight if Trump wins in tiny Iowa tonight because of Trump’s truly bold, well strategized, and well executed campaign. Trumps campaign ends tonight, we think, as it began – pitch perfect. Trump’s pitch perfect, final campaign ad for Iowa is really a general election ad:



If Trump wins tonight and Hillary loses, say “President Trump”.

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282 thoughts on “Iowa Caucus 2016: Prairie Fire Pre-Civil War Revolution Realignment With @RealDonaldTrump, #Hillary2016, @BernieSanders

  1. Folly:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-iowa-218510

    How Clinton is plotting to go after Trump

    Her top officials and allies have begun accelerating plans to take him on. [snip]

    After months of laughing off Trump — and assuming his ascent would propel the Republican Party to a 1964-style wipeout — her campaign and its allies have begun to steer time and resources into framing lines of attack against the blustery billionaire, even if there’s still considerable confusion over how to attack 2016’s top-of-the-food-chain predator.

    “There’s plenty of material out there,” said longtime Clinton confidant James Carville. “We just have to figure it all out.”

    With her campaign intensely focused on fending off an unexpectedly strong challenge from Sanders, the man tasked with leading off an eventual anti-Trump offensive is David Brock, the former Clinton foe turned ally who spearheaded the first sharp attacks against the Vermont socialist.

    In November, a subsidiary of the Democratic National Committee paid the Brock-run American Bridge $144,000 for “research services,” according to elections filings. That research was devoted almost entirely to building a “Trump Book,” a compendium of clips and other records that could be used for future attacks, a campaign official familiar with the situation told POLITICO. In early December, the Clinton campaign paid the group a further $22,000 for similar work, the official added, and another David Brock-affiliated group, Correct the Record, began a cursory vetting of Trump over the summer.

    The emerging approach to defining Trump is an updated iteration of the “Bain Strategy” — the Obama 2012 campaign’s devastating attacks on Mitt Romney’s dealings with investment firm Bain Capital, according to a dozen Democratic operatives and campaign aides familiar with the accelerating planning inside Clinton’s orbit. This time, Democrats would highlight the impact of Trump’s four business bankruptcies — and his opposition to wage hikes at his casinos and residential properties — on the families of his workers.

    One Obama ally who helped frame the 2012 Bain strategy added another line of likely attack: “He’s a landlord. Everybody f—ing hates their landlord.”

    Hitting Trump on his perceived strength lacks the gut-punch impact of Trump’s recent rehash of Bill Clinton’s sex scandals, but people close to Clinton think the key to beating the real estate mogul is to undermine his oft-repeated assertion that he is a great businessman. And it fits in with Hillary Clinton’s personal philosophy of politics, often articulated to friends and allies, that “attacking an opponent’s strengths,” not their weaknesses, is the key to any presidential campaign.

    “Why didn’t the Republicans do this against Trump already? The business stuff is really good fodder,” says veteran Democratic consultant Hilary Rosen, a Clinton supporter who is close to the campaign. “Look, there are real people who have been hurt from his multiple business dealings — real people with real problems. … Those are charges the Republicans were reluctant to make. Democrats won’t make that mistake. Think Bain.”

    Those attacks would come in conjunction with a larger, more obvious push by Hispanic and women’s groups to rebroadcast Trump’s greatest, most offensive hits.

    Not everyone agrees that Bain-style attacks will dent Trump: One former Obama campaign and White House adviser said that Romney was wounded by the attacks on his business practices because it contradicted his compassionate-conservative pitch to swing voters. “We nailed it because it nailed Mitt on his motivation: He wasn’t this nice guy he claimed to be,” the former staffer said. “Trump never claimed to be nice. … No, the way to attack him is on temperament — a guy like this just isn’t fit to be president.”

    Clinton’s team is wary but confident heading into Monday’s caucuses — their internal tracking is consistent with public polling showing her with a slight lead. Sanders’ seemingly unstoppable mid-January momentum has “stalled,” according to one aide. Even with the result uncertain (and Clinton trailing Sanders badly in New Hampshire), the Brooklyn brass — especially campaign chairman John Podesta — think Clinton needs to begin girding immediately for a Trump showdown.

    Moreover, there is a growing sense of annoyance on the campaign — especially among Podesta and his one-time boss Bill Clinton — that underestimating Sanders and waiting for the last few weeks to begin attacking his electability and capacity to do the job of president, turned a Clinton romp into a real race. The Clintons don’t want to make the same mistake with Trump, a vastly nastier antagonist than the mildly cranky but intermittently cuddly Vermont socialist.

    “Everybody thinks we are sitting around with all these plans, but we haven’t done as much as we should,” said one Clinton insider who speaks to the candidate and her husband regularly.

    Trump has confused pundits, reporters, political professionals, his opponents, and not least Clinton and her army of operatives. “The truth is we are as puzzled by this as everybody else, and have no idea what the hell is going to happen with him,” the Clinton insider said. “[Democrats] knew what they were getting in 2008 with McCain; they knew early in 2012 they’d be getting Romney. You could plan for those guys. You can’t really plan for Trump yet because he’s so unpredictable.”

    Clinton’s top advisers, moreover, are still divided over how to deal with him: Initially, she and her team viewed him as a clamorous godsend, an unelectable party-buster who, along with Ted Cruz, would ensure her victory. [snip]

    But Trump’s rising appeal with white, working-class voters and his willingness to bring up the ugliest Clinton scandals of the 1990s have unnerved the former first family, according to people in their orbit. [snip]

    But attacking him is tougher than it seems, mainly because he is so comfortable throwing a sucker punch and the Clintons aren’t. And he’s already signaled that he would stop at nothing if he faces off against the former secretary of state and her husband.

    If that is their strategy, they are clueless. The above is the Jeb Bush strategy against Trump and tonight we see how well that has worked.

  2. Shadowfax, the only sign of life we have seen from Hillary2016 came today. Lynn Rothschild was on Neal Cavuto’s show touting Hillary. Rothschild is with Hillary in Iowa which must drive the Obamaroids crazy. This is the only good news and signs of life we have detected this year from Hillary2016.

  3. Mayor DeBlasio and the Missus are “helping” too.

    De Blasio’s grunt work for Clinton campaign in Iowa may not be the best use of his time.
    …“I want to go out there and knock on doors and reach people, because that’s what I like to do. That’s what I know how to do and I’ve done it in Iowa before and . . . there’s always a need for all of that.”
    The campaign accepted his grunt work offer in Iowa [ possibly reluctantly ]and said he could campaign in New Hampshire as a surrogate.
    His staff said he’s knocked on about 100 doors in Iowa over the past two days, and also made calls to registered Democrats who are on the fence about Clinton to try to persuade them to vote for her Monday.
    Many of those voters had no idea who the tall guy knocking on their door was.
    The News followed him while he was canvassing in Indianola, a small city south of Des Moines with a population of around 15,000 — about the same as a few blocks of Manhattan.
    One woman rebuffed the mayor and his wife, Chirlane McCray, who accompanied him, in seconds.
    “Thanks anyway. I like your shirt though,” he said about her mustard-colored Iowa Hawkeyes garb as her door was closing on him…..

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/de-blasio-grunt-work-hillary-clinton-campaign-iowa-article-1.2515710

  4. gonzotx
    February 1, 2016 at 2:20 pm
    $25 dollars per hour? I would imagine he is paying for caucus votes too!

    Hope Trump is paying 26 lol.

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    Admin.

    Is he also offering free Right to Rise pizza and a pair of ear plugs?🤓

  5. admin
    February 1, 2016 at 1:56 pm
    Shadowfax, the only sign of life we have seen from Hillary2016 came today. Lynn Rothschild was on Neal Cavuto’s show touting Hillary. Rothschild is with Hillary in Iowa which must drive the Obamaroids crazy. This is the only good news and signs of life we have detected this year from Hillary2016.

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    I agree that Rothschild is a very positive sight though the sea of obots working with the campaign.

    I have a good feeling Hillary is going to end up doing well in the primary and stomp on Bernie.

    The end game fight with Trump will be bloody. Hillary can certainly take a lot of crap and back stabbing, but Trump can get really ugly and we will have to see Hillary in full-on attack mode by then.

  6. The only thing I am looking forward to is seeing squeaky O’malley sit on the sidelines and not make the threshold in a single caucus……..what to do with 1 or 2 people, will they sit on the side sulking, will they storm out and demand a recount or will they go over to one of the others?

  7. In my opinion, I do not think that having all the kids that expect free college, free healthcare and legal pot…will bring Bernie the votes to win the primary.

    Sure, there are pot smokers that are older, and still smoking the Hopium from 2008…but stoners are not as motivated to get up, and get to the voting booth as much as all the nitwits that voted for the guy that whispered sweet NOTHINGS in their ears, offered free goodies and has darker skin.

    I would guess that all the youngsters that liked Obama because he was cool, and young…may not think that ‘Larry David’ is as attractive.

    After all, they sure as Hell didn’t vote for Obama because of his experience.

  8. lots of basketball games and college games on tonight apparently, so that turnout may not materialise….
    I was reading reports today that were saying that Hillary’s caucus operation is better than Obama’s was, I guess we are about to find out.

    Hello Shadow….hope you a well, considering……

  9. Donald Trump, master of Unpredicability…it is his nature…his wheelhouse

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    Admin…you said we should put aside who we like and don’t like…ok…however

    even the slightest chance of George Soros influence and control and his open borders world is enough for me…I will not “willingly” put my country under his control…for anyone…if there is a movement to stop that from happening, I am for it…

    …eyes wide open…

  10. Those pesky super delegates were a problem in 2008. Word was that they were bought, sold, beaten down, cajoled and threatened by Nancy P and pals to backstab Hillary. I believe that the lessons learned in 2008 about the treachery of DNC has influenced this campaign. Not excusing her repeated support for O during her campaign – although it would be very unusual for a candidate to attack the party leader during a campaign – but the theft of the nomination from her, and the lengths the party went to in order to steal it from her would have to have some impact.

    Go Hillary!!

  11. Hillary has half of the superdelegates already….

    347 out of 713…….Sanders has 13! Yes that’s right 13

  12. Well Soro’s money will buy a lot of votes for Hillary. Both she and Jeb boy have burnt through a lot of other people’s payola..

  13. I imagine Hillary will hopefully have learned from 2008 and release some big name SD’s tonight after the caucus….Its what I would do, win or lose to tip the scales.

  14. Shadow, I think you’re spot on about the reason for the young people supporting Bernie.

    I wish they would just go ahead and legalize weed. Then, at least stoners would not have so much of a presence in presidential elections.

    I say give ’em their weed. Likker ’em up good. Keep them away from the polls. They may have the right to vote, but as we saw during 2008, they damn sure don’t have enough sense to do so.

  15. Moon

    Hello Shadow….hope you a well, considering……

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    Thanks Moon, you too. It ain’t easy…reinforcements are ALWAYS welcome.

  16. If you think got to where he is by being all by the book and nicey nicey and not shelling out blood money, you must have lived in a fucking convent, honestly the delusion around here is astounding.

  17. The amazing thing is, you are advocating Jeff Sessions as VP, are you off your trolley! The guy is a loon.

  18. moononpluto
    February 1, 2016 at 3:19 pm
    Hillary has half of the superdelegates already….

    347 out of 713…….Sanders has 13! Yes that’s right 13

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    That’s great for Hillary, the Big Dawg has been going after the delegates for awhile…looks like they did get their ducks in a row on that issue. Wish I was a darn Hillary delegate, no one could steal my vote, even from my dead hand.

    I can’t tell you how many delegates I, and some of my PUMA friends in Denver, tried to tell them their vote for Hillary was an obligation to represent their voters, or the superdelegates that they shouldn’t switch their vote to Obama.

    A few of them (all AA’s) were in a restaurant a day before the convention, they wanted to pose for a photo together, we volunteered as long as they posed with a life-sized cut-out of Hillary, they agreed. (We drug that cutout around Denver for 3 days, Greta took a photo of my PUMA friend, me and cut-out Hillary. I was able to tell Greta how much I enjoyed her.

  19. moononpluto
    February 1, 2016 at 3:33 pm

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    A big yup to that.

    The ‘big stick’ has turned into a superhero for most.

  20. I am a total cynic. I don’t believe any polls, especially after the 2012 letdown. I can only hope for the best. It ain’t over till it’s over.

    Wake me up when the fat lady sings.

    GO TRUMP!

  21. Donald Trump in Iowa: “Putin called me a genius by the way”

    ……………

    Yeah that makes me feel better about him…..not.

  22. I don’t think they mean anything Shadow, the only one that counts is later and its all dependent on turnout, weather, lazy kids and stoned hippies apparently.

    I will say it here and now though, I hate caucuses, they are undemocratic, stuffy and non representative of everybody, they hould all be binned and all go full primary, one person, one vote.

  23. I not only hate the caucuses but also hate that we don’t all vote on the same day, at the same time.

    Mini states like Iowa and NH shouldn’t get all the face time with the candidates and put some of the large populated states last, then give announce the winner before the west coast has even voted.

    What kind of idiots set it up so unfairly?

  24. I not only hate the caucuses but also hate that we don’t all vote on the same day, at the same time.

    Mini states like Iowa and NH shouldn’t get all the face time with the candidates and put some of the large populated states last, then announce the winner before the west coast has even voted.

    What kind of idiots set it up so unfairly?

  25. The prize over all is to get to 2,025 delegates……

    Its all about perception and delegates, remember in 2008, Obama won Iowa by 7% but only got 1 delegate more than her, he got 16, she got 15, edwards got 14…..yet it was perceived as some big blowout win, when it wasn’t.

    In NH, Hillary won the count but got less delegates because he won in the right places……

    Hillary again won Nevada, he got more delegates because of concentrating on smaller caucuses.

    I trust she learned from that…..tonight will be all about winning the media expectations war……nothing more, nothing less……

    Watch the narrative after, see what way they blow and it will tell you lots.

  26. Off my Trolly? Someone that supports obama3?
    Now that’s what I call a delusional cray cray.

    Session’s at least understands the enemy we are facing and speaks truth to power, one of the few.

    Hillary took her 15+ plus pieces of silver from Soro’s, do you think there isn’t an IOU attached?

    Trump may be many things, but evil, like Soro’s is not one of them.

  27. Trump Tells Crowd to ‘Knock the Crap Out’ of Protesters, Offers to Pay Legal Fees

    ………….

    He honestly just said that ….honestly, the man is a thug.

  28. BTW, my post at:

    Shadowfax
    February 1, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    Is a recent video of Lynn Rothschild on Neal Cavuto’s show, cutting through the misdirection and Fox spin.

  29. He honestly just said that ….honestly, the man is a thug.

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    If he talks like this during a Presidental run, what is he like when the camera’s are off? I don’t trust this guy any further than I can throw him.

    He could shoot someone and his followers would still vote for him.

  30. Trumps mouth running away, saying shit like that and then if someone did kick the crap out of someone and actually accidentally killed someone. Trump would be prosecuted for incitement. Its a very stupid characteristic of his that is becoming more and more evident, his mouth shoots off without thinking.

    You just dont do that.

  31. FEC Reports are in. $54 million of Bernie’s $73 million are “unitemized”. Of course he is claiming they are from donors under the limit. That is what BO claimed for about $250 million of his campaign finances that were unitemized. These are lies and you can tell by the data distribution of the itemized contributions. This is big money coming from big money people and Bernie is a phony as the day is long. Unitemized is unitemized.

  32. I think there is some misinformation here about what DT said about protesters.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-crap-protesters-tomatoes-2016-2

    I believe it was limited to people who were essentially assaulting HIM.

    “So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously,” he said. “OK, just knock the hell. I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They won’t be so much because the courts agree with us, too.”

  33. Admin…glad you are back online…seems you were off for awhile…

    I always check twitter when that (rarely) happens for any updates from you…

    hope there are no “rats” trying to silence you and us…

  34. Shadow…good to see Lynn…maybe she can ‘influence’ Hillary and bring her back to her senses…after all Lynn left the party because of O…she definitely would not want O3

  35. Why does the stupid caucus start so late?

    If they have to do the old school, small town way of selection…they should start at high noon.

  36. S

    Admin said that Lynn is with Hillary in Iowa. I am sure she and Hillary talk often, and if she really thought Hillary had lost her mind and turned into Obama, she would not be there.

  37. What a difference 8 years has made in Hillary Clinton! I remember being here in 08 waiting with nervous energy, hoping, praying along with many others for Hillary to win.

    Along the next 8 years she twisted and turned and flipped and flopped and pretzeled herself into the next Obama. THE Obama that we all HATED, his policies, his principles, the way he treated Hillary, his disdain for America and the fact that WE in OUR heart knew he was a DISASTER for America.

    His policies have failed, his middle east policy have failed, we are trillion and trillions more in debt, people have to pay hundreds of dollars a month for health care that they can’t use because of out of pocket and deductibles (mine is 688 a month) so I dropped it.

    Then we have Hillary who campaigned against him, then cozied up with him, lied for his Benghazi murders, and has wrapped herself in OBAMA cloth and she may as well paint herself black.

    No, I don’t support her any longer. I do post here on occssion because I do feel hurt still over the candidate she WAS in 08 and long for that candidate versus the FRAUD she is now.

  38. Lu4PUMA

    February 1, 2016 at 6:19 pm

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    Lu…this is what the media has been doing from the get go with Trump…mischaracterizing and misrepresenting what he says and trying to turn it into something else…

    best example…when he delared he was running…the media is still reporting about how he insulted “immigrants” when he was talking about ‘illegal immigrants”

    in fact the media doesn’t even refer to them as illegal immigrants anymore, per the democrats…they are now undocumented…

    so for your local cartels pouring in through the southern border…no worries, they are just “undocumented”

    thank you O admin for that clarification…

  39. shadow…i did not say she lost her mind…i said hopefully Lynn can show her that O3 is not the way to go…I am sure you would at the very least agree with that…

  40. If Hillary loses look for Warren and Biden to step out of the shadows

    BUTTT I saw an article where some big shot said the White House had some “surprising” alternatives to Hillary

    That is where I figure this would go all along. Let Hillary keel herself then yank her out of the primaries

    Admin alluded to some one surprising

    MESCHELLE .. and you notice she has been SILENT for years.

  41. Yeah Right..Michelle Obama, nope, not gonna happen, all this conspiracy…..MO has done fuck all, been fuck all and she hates the WH anyway, she wants to leave.

  42. Caddell sounds like us:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/01/pat-caddell-were-in-a-pre-revolutionary-moment-and-now-bigger/

    Pat Caddell: We’re In A Pre-Revolutionary Moment, And Now Bigger

    Caddell made the comments today to Breitbart News Daily host Stephen K. Bannon.

    Citing the data, said Caddell, “It’s unbelievable. This country has left the building if you will on the political establishment, on America in trouble and in decline.” Caddell also noted that, just as with the last debate minus front runner Donald Trump, none of those themes really get “hammered” without him.

    “This is what it would have looked like without the insurgents having arrived,” said Caddell, meaning a 2016 Republican primary without candidates like Donald Trump, and Ben Carson. Caddell predicted a big turnout in Iowa.

    He also cited
    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
    as proof of an insurgency of sorts on the Democrat side. The entire interview can be heard below.

  43. We’re struggling to keep the website afloat tonight. Lots and lots of visitors put a strain on the servers.

  44. admin
    February 1, 2016 at 7:06 pm
    We’re struggling to keep the website afloat tonight. Lots and lots of visitors put a strain on the servers.

    ———
    That’s odd, why don’t they post a comment?

  45. Thanks for keeping the blog up Admin…an election without Big Pink would be like having no internet service.

    Wish there was a photo of Hillary in the header.

  46. Shadowfax, 99.99% of our readers don’t post comments. Same on most websites. Lurkers. Speaking of which, welcome to our many readers tonight from some odd place called Brooklyn. Nice to see y’all.

  47. CNN just reported seeing unusually high VOTER Registration at GOP caucus sites. Not so much at Dem sites……

    Interesting….

  48. If anyone knows of an online site that will cover the election tonight, please let me know.

    Not a good time to dump my tv cable.

  49. kind of silly for a dem to change registration to vote against trump when Hillary could use their vote

    they must really be afraid of him to do that

  50. I reckon we see Carson drop out after tonight……at least.

    O’malley probably too…….

    As for the rest, no idea, caucuses are hard to validate, too many variables.

  51. Then again don’t anything those journo’s or “sources” say about advance lines and this and that, they are usually wrong.

  52. Carson is going home to Florida tonight, not going to NH, SC, Nevada….practically has dropped out………he’s done….bye bye.

    Told you, knew it.

  53. That was my fastest prediction to come true, took all of 10 minutes and he didnt even wait til later….

  54. Admin
    (although the Trump campaign claims a well run ground game it prefers to keep secret).

    The secret’s out. Melania will go door to door in Iowa leading thousands of Iowans to Caucus.

  55. btw Admin…love that Thunderclap Newman ‘Something In the Air’

    forgot about that one…always loved that song…aahhhh…

  56. Wonder if Carson will throw his weight behind someone. Kind of think this quiet man may not, not out of spite…I don’t know, he was a great story…

  57. moononpluto
    February 1, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    CNN just reported seeing unusually high VOTER Registration at GOP caucus sites. Not so much at Dem sites……

    Interesting….

    I read this morning that was from Trump’s campaign manager. The old line Republican trick was to print out the voter rolls weeks early then tell new voters they were not on the list and they were out of registration forms. Trump’s folks were to take pre-filled out forms to the caucus and make them register them if they were not listed.

  58. Those CNN exit polls are ridiculous…

    a 2 person race on the dem side

    bwahahahahaha

    that tells me jackshit.

  59. Predictions? what the heck, here goes:

    Democrats – Bernie (weed and bussed vote)
    Republicans – Cruz (bible and constitution thumpers vote)

    of course, I hope I am terribly wrong on both predictions.

  60. He still is, the way he grew up, the strength of his mother, his personal character…His pioneering medical advancements. I wanted to support him, not his time. Wasn’t ready for this.

  61. Fox going out on a limb, lol…

    Fox news projects O’malley to finish 3rd in Iowa…..

    Seriousy…..i’m ROFLmao here.

  62. I’m so sick of hearing about Iowa that I could puke. The first state which ALWAYS gets to be first to vote in the primaries is a ridiculous caucus state where the will of the majority of people is ignored. If it is like 2008 there will be unbelievable cheating going on tonight. Also Iowa holds us hostage to Ethanol and Big Corn with millions and millions of our tax dollars and even supposedly tough guys like Trump won’t stand up to the lobby…gotta get those Iowa votes you know and God forbid if the Gov. of Iowa gets mad at you…gotta save his son’s big lobbyist job with Big Corn. I hope after tonight we don’t have to hear the word Iowa for at least another four years when this vile caucus mess rears it’s ugly head again.

    First state primary voting should rotate or better yet…all states vote on the same day like in the General election. I’m also sickened to hear about the huge amounts of money wasted on our electoral process in this country. For all the money that has been spent buying candidates and all that, think of all the good that could have been done in the USA…infrastructure is only a tiny portion.

    It’s a vile crooked road we are headed down. No wonder the elites wanted no part of campaign finance reform. It makes me nauseous to think of all the money wasted on campaigns. It’s just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

  63. Southern,
    I always thought we should pay a small fee in taxes, it is divided up, they all get so many commercials, print, mag, TV time to make their case, throw in a number of REAL debates and then we vote.
    End of story.

  64. In the last few minutes, another Iowa Superdelegate just went over to Hillary, she now has 6 of them and 2 remian uncommitted

  65. Clinton has won the Coralville Caucus by the looks of it 53 to 42 for Sanders….3% for O’malley, not enough to make a difference.

  66. SouthernBorn…relax, this is just the beginning…we have a whole year ahead of this…all across our great country…

    JBStones…try to think positive…

    : )

  67. Clinton took the other Des Moines site on CNN 57% to 42% at the same place in 2008 she lost big to Obama…….

  68. THE TALLY at Waukee-3: Rubio – 91 Cruz – 77 Trump – 63 Big buzz through the room when Rubio’s number announced.

  69. jbstonesfan
    February 1, 2016 at 8:47 pm
    I hope Trump pulls it out…looks like he may finish 3rd.
    ———-
    Looks like Trump will come in 3d?

    Jb, I am not seeing it.

    1% in and he is behind Cruz by 2 points?

    That is not much to go on.

    Except maybe intuition.

    And past experience with Iowa, which as been disappointing.

  70. This is good news….

    Mitchell County – HRC 68.6% 7/11 in. She got 37.5% there in 2008. So 30 points better when she needs to do 20 pts better statewide than 08

  71. Shocking numbers for Trump in Ankeny county, only 15%, Rubio taking 40% to Cruz’s 38% in early numbers…..

  72. The Democrats are not reporting the vote results. They are reporting delegates. This is a cheat.

    The Republicans are reporting vote results.

  73. I’m concerned Wbboei. Rubio is the biggest threat to Hillary and with a VP like Kasich he has Ohio and Fl…They are , as we predicted, not going to let Trump win. If Rubio comes in #1 or #2 tonight and the Senator from S. Carolina just endorsed him, I see it unfolding badly for Donald. Upset in Boca/Delray.

  74. You will come out of this with a ruptured democrat party–irreconcilable differences.

    You will see the same in the Republican Party too, if they cannot make the transformation.

  75. What the hay…I have to take a simple math test to long on to Big Pink? Does it keep out the NSA?

    It’s okay Admin, I will do what ever it takes. 😉

    ————

    Voting – thanks for the C-Span link…it says I can’t watch, guess it’s because I canceled my tv cable service.

  76. Driving home, CNN says early votes are going Hillary’s way…I am trying sooooooooooooooooo hard not to get too excited.

    I see Moon is pumping in good info…going to read the blog now.

  77. I’m not getting confident, 1/3 of the vote is in but dont forget, its all about the areas and the run up of delegates……not %

  78. Hi everyone, Hi Admin. I’ve been reading with great interest but thought I’d actually chime in tonight. I think Hillary has more under her sleeve than she’s being given credit for and so far she’s ahead! Yay! I’m still with her!

  79. jbstonesfan
    February 1, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    I’m concerned Wbboei. Rubio is the biggest threat to Hillary and with a VP like Kasich he has Ohio and Fl…They are , as we predicted, not going to let Trump win. If Rubio comes in #1 or #2 tonight and the Senator from S. Carolina just endorsed him, I see it unfolding badly for Donald. Upset in Boca/Delray.
    ————
    If that is true, then the polls are so far off the mark as to be 180 out and in that case, we need to stop this polling nonsense once and for all. I think you will find two things here: first, these early returns are not predictive of the outcome. Second, if what they are predictive, then the country has learned nothing over the last two years, and the globalist agenda will go forward full tilt.

  80. Southern Born
    February 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    ———–
    I know you are mad, Southern…but you are cracking me up.

    Yup Iowa FIRST and the stupid caucus are making me crazy…the good news, so far, Hillary is doing really well.

  81. Trump is not showing so well. Ted Cruz? What is wrong with these people? Just now they are showing some precinct where Trump is ahead.

  82. If I suspect what is happening in the GOP side, those little supporters of Bush, Fiorina and the others went over to Cruz and Rubio and this was always going to be Trumps problem…..a smaller field and consolidation.

  83. 100% in Monona County – HRC 60%. She got 37.5% (winning county) in 2008. So a little better than the +20 pts she needs statewide

  84. moononpluto
    February 1, 2016 at 9:31 pm
    This place will go into meltdown , If Cruz and Hillary win tonight……..

    ————–
    That’s for sure, and you will go into lurk mode again and Free, Southern, Voting, PM and I will have to deal with it, all alone.

    😉 (Hope you stay Moon!)

    If Hillary wins tonight, I will be happy if Trump wins or not.

  85. Democratic sources: @HillaryClinton on track to win by 2 to 3 points

    and big news

    Decision Desk HQ ‏@DecisionDeskHQ 21s21 seconds ago

    We project that Ted Cruz has won the 2016 Iowa Caucus.

  86. Lu4PUMA
    February 1, 2016 at 9:26 pm
    Trump is not showing so well. Ted Cruz? What is wrong with these people? Just now they are showing some precinct where Trump is ahe
    —-
    I would say try being a little patient.

    We cannot help the order in which these counties come in.

    By the way, Ted favors GMOs—which tells me he is a shill for the corporations.

    I think the earlier report about a Rubio surge was an outlier.

  87. Democratic sources: Clinton on track to win by 2 to 3 points

    By Glenn Thrush

    02/01/16 09:40 PM EST

    The race is still too close to call but sources in both the Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton camps see her winning by a tight but clear margin of two to three points — barely surpassing the 50 percent threshold.

    Martin O’Malley’s support — expected to be in the 3 percent range — has thus far proven to be smaller than anticipated — and has had a negligible impact on the cast, two Democratic sources said.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/iowa-caucus-2016-live-updates/2016/02/democrats-sources-clinton-to-win-iowa-218584#ixzz3yyVe6bSs

  88. I hope O’malley has the sense to go home after tonight, his funding will be dead in the water, he’ll be gone by tomorrow.

  89. Louisa County, 100% in – HRC 56%. She won it with 34% in 2008. So barely above the 20-pt improvement she needs statewide

  90. Is poor Admin behind the scenes on the hampster wheel trying to keep the blog going? Or is he/she upset Trump isn’t pulling ahead yet?

  91. Ah ha, I win the poll on who is going to get out first…

    What’s-his-name is going to suspend his campaign.

    Bye, bye.

  92. I’m just starting to read the thread backwards. But I recall Hillary lost Iowa, then won New Hampshire, then went on to win the most votes and delegates (but we know what happened next). It’s nice to win Iowa, but they don’t usually pick the eventual winner. Trump has a huge lead in New Hampshire. Winning Iowa would be great, but the odds are great that he will win New Hampshire, so the game is still on 🙂

  93. MSNBC had someone on a few minutes ago from a precint were and Bernie just won 5 of the 6 delegates..a younger demographic area. Trump looks to be in a tight race to hold on to 2nd….disappointing.

  94. I am actually socked that Cruz is winning.

    Hillary and Bernie are too close for comfort. Republican’s must be happy that the email spin is hurting her.

  95. gonzo, it was SO busy at work today, I got out late and still didn’t get everything done, but all day I was thinking, well tonight I’ll home and see a great contest. So I’m trying to pull some positivity out of it 🙂

    But I agree with wbboei about being our being patient – I remember in 2008 Gary, IN held back its primary votes (I think to see how much they needed to cheat), so there could be precincts that are slower in reporting than others, or even some tomfoolery going on (another attempt at positivity lol)

    I guess positivity isn’t even a word, because it’s getting a red line out of it, but I don’t care right now lol

  96. key point — Trump was the polling leader and pretty clearly underperformed by several points…Cruz and Rubio overperforming.

    Trump skipping that debate maybe was not such a bright idea, it gave Rubio time to shine.

  97. I am worried about cheating, the Republican numbers have been stuck on 62% reporting for like 15 minutes. That’s not good.
    I remember all too well Indiana, I was watching it in real time.

  98. The only county that had O’malley do something…

    Monroe County, 100% in: HRC 43%. She got 28% in 2008. O’Malley got 12%, Sanders 45%

  99. Ridiculously close with Sanders…Cruz is winning by like 7k votes over Trump and Rubio only 2k behind Trump.

  100. Hillary is well ahead in the biggest county Polk which was unexpected and in most of the other counties left, she is well ahead.

  101. If you have been watching any of the cable new channels you probably are contemplating suicide. They are on the border of hysteria. The hyperbole and pontificating are over the top. They are acting more like Don King promoting a boxing match than news organizations.

    The Republican establishment is freaking out. The two big players tomorrow, according to the polls, are Trump and Cruz. Both have pretty good ground games. While the Donald is ahead in the polls I am inclined to believe that Cruz may prevail. I think his supporters are more fanatic and will turn out to give him a victory.

    But Trump will do well also. While FOX News will try to portray a Trump “loss” in Iowa as a death blow, Trump should rebound in New Hampshire. If he doesn’t then you Trump haters will have to find someone else to hate.

    There is a real risk that the Santorum, Huckabee, Rubio, Carson and Cruz supporters will end up splitting the evangelical vote. If that happens it will benefit Trump.

    There is a real deep-seated anger among the Republican voters over the failure of the Republican establishment to deliver on their past promises. What I find truly ironic and sad is that the only Republican really talking about fiscal responsibility and pushing a foreign policy that will keep America from jumping into a variety of foreign conflicts is Rand Paul. Rand may actually manage to claw his way into third or fourth position. If he does that then he will remain a player in the campaign. If not, he is toast.

    Jeb, Christie and Kasich? I do not see a path forward for them. Iowa is not likely to cast their votes for the establishment. Looking ahead, I do not see New Hampshire helping Jeb. Jeb will be under some pressure.

    What about the Democrats? I am pulling for Bernie. I am hoping that he will embarrass Hillary. Either way, Hillary and Bernie are terrible candidates for a general election.

    Hillary has a genuine problem with the email scandal. She made the outrageous claim today on George Stephanopolus’s program that there is no way classified info could make its way to her server. Here is what she said:

    STEPHANOPOULOS: “YOU KNOW, YOU’VE SAID MANY TIMES THAT THE EMAILS WERE NOT MARKED CLASSIFIED. THE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT YOU SIGNED AS SECRETARY OF STATE SAYS THAT THAT’S REALLY NOT THAT RELEVANT. IT SAYS CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IS MARKED OR UNMARKED CLASSIFIED AND THAT ALL OF YOU ARE TRAINED TO TREAT ALL OF THAT SENSITIVELY AND SHOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.”

    CLINTON: “WELL OF COURSE AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I DID. I TAKE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION VERY SERIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN’T GET INFORMATION OFF THE CLASSIFIED SYSTEM IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT TO PUT ON AN UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHAT THAT SYSTEM IS. WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. AND WHEN YOU RECEIVE INFORMATION, OF COURSE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME MARKINGS, SOME INDICATION THAT SOMEONE DOWN THE CHAIN THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS CLASSIFIED AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.”

    Bullshit. This is a lie–YOU KNOW, YOU CAN’T GET INFORMATION OFF THE CLASSIFIED SYSTEM IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT TO PUT ON AN UNCLASSIFIED SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHAT THAT SYSTEM IS.

    Yes you can. You send one of your staff to the TS or Secret computer and download the info on a thumb drive. Once you do that you can delete all of the Classification markings. Alternatively you can print off the material, scan it and then copy and paste to an email. This nonsense will not hold up.

    Okay folks, what are your thoughts?

  102. Rubio thinks he won tonight and I have a funny feeling, he may well win the nomination.

    He’s the chosen one.

  103. Shadow, my comment to you seems to have been lost – every time I post, I run the risk of not getting back for awhile – it’s happened a few times (BROOKLYN! lol) I think admin is “gone” working on that.

    About the caucuses, they’re at 7, because everyone has to be there at the same time, and Iowans are workers. It’s not like primaries where people can show up from early morning to later in the evening.

    About Lynn, it could be that she has an allegiance to Hillary, more than to any given principles…

  104. We’re beating the hamsters relentlessly, mercilessly, to keep the website wheels turning! Massive readership for you guys! Keep the news coming. We’ll keep the the whip on the hamsters!

    Run, rodents, run… keep the website turning!!! Whip! Whip! Whip!

  105. god I hope she wins cause if she doesn’t that clip they just played on cnn will be run over and over again… but this is a loss for her even if she does win tonight it should never have been this tight

  106. I just flipped on Fox, and precincts aren’t all in, but they’re calling it for Cruz. Cruz is going to speak soon.Hillary and Bernie are tied, but they say the remaining precincts are ones that will go Hillary.

  107. Admin

    We’re beating the hamsters relentlessly, mercilessly, to keep the website wheels turning! Massive readership for you guys! Keep the news coming. We’ll keep the the whip on the hamsters!

    ———–
    Great job admin.

  108. They’re saying that the new voters’ votes take longer to process (the register that day), so some numbers will still be coming in…

  109. Although both sides may have the other foot dropping at some point – Cruz’ ineligibility problems, and Hillary’s FBI email investigation….

  110. Must be a lot of interest in this election. Not only the blog keeps crashing, more than working…but a CNN livestream keeps crashing too.

  111. Trump did OK at 2nd,,got over 40k votes, but it is an expectation game and he was expected to win particularly the last week. For Hillary, even if she squeaks this out (and that’s not a given), it is a loss as it was expected that Sanders would not be competitive. G-d I’m sick.

  112. $hitsticks, I finally get CNN to work and Cruz is blabbing away. Ugh.

    First RubieSlippers, now Cruz…I want to hear about Hillary and Bernie’s night.

  113. jb

    G-d I’m sick.

    ———–
    Hey Jb, we have been through a lot worse than this. We have 49 more states to go to before we know who will win the primaries. This is a long game, Iowa is just the beginning.

    Hang in there.

  114. Thanks Shadowfax..It’s been a long road here, and despite many of us who are at times upset with Hillary, to watch her struggle to win (and it is vitually tied now) over a nobody like Sanders just is just down right depressing. I felt worse in 08, but even as early as in Iowa, Obama was a far greater threat than a candidate like Sanders.

  115. jbstonesfan
    February 1, 2016 at 11:27 pm
    Trump did OK at 2nd,,got over 40k votes, but it is an expectation game and he was expected to win particularly the last week. For Hillary, even if she squeaks this out (and that’s not a given), it is a loss as it was expected that Sanders would not be competitive. G-d I’m sick.
    ———
    That makes 2 of us jb.

    For me the question is: is it better to support a globalist, or a nut?

    It depends on what you want, i.e. Obama III or Karl Marx?

    Knowing how I feel about globalists and Obama, perhaps you can understand the dilemma.

    It gets down to the destroy the village to save it paradigm.

    The kids see no future with any establishment candidate.

    And they are right.

    Instead of being 1 citizen in 300 million with rights, you are 1 in 6 billion, less than a spec of dust.

  116. Trump will learn about caucus voting from this.
    If you remember, he was down like 7 2 weeks ago in Iowa.
    I think Rubio is not really a surprise. I like really can’t stand him. I am sure there were some for sale votes that went his way.
    He is the pro amnesty, globalist candidate. They weren’t going to roll over.
    We are in a fight, one we must win.
    Trump 2016.
    By the way, someone never learned how to win and not gloat…hope it doesn’t come around and bite you in the a#s.

  117. Wow, I just can’t believe that many Iowans don’t care that Cruz isn’t eligible. Or maybe they didn’t get the memo..

  118. jbstonesfan
    February 1, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    —-
    I know how you feel.

    Bernie is tapping into the 99% kids that want free college education, free healthcare, legal pot and he is planning to tax the wealthy to pay for all of it. To Hell with the military…all the dreamers pied piper.

    I do admire his getting this far without big doners and he is still pretty much respectful to all.

    I don’t think he will win against Hillary in the long run.

  119. Lets assume that the nominees are Hillary and Rubio

    Which of the two would I support?

    Since they are both globalists, my answer would have to be neither.

    The better question would be which of the two would I attack.

    The answer to that question would have to be Rubio.

    For those who support Hillary, that should be good enough.

    Based on the enemy of my enemy is my friend paradigm.

  120. I think if Trump falters in NH, it will be a Rubio ticket as Cruz will not win the more moderate conservative states. Rubio could beat Hillary, especially if he picks a woman VP.

  121. So Marco is being semi declared the big winner in Iowa because he came in a strong third. The media surely is pushing little Marco.

  122. Forgot to mention…I do not trust Rubio and absolutely can’t stand him. If the establishment and media are pushing him…look out. He is already bought and paid for and he is the type of guy who will stay bought.

  123. I don’t think he will win against Hillary in the long run.
    ————-
    I agree. I never believed Bernie could win, or that it was even desirable that he win. It would be like expecting a dog who chases cars to be able to drive if every he caught one.

    But that leaves a gaping hole in the party, because the Bernie supporters define themselves as opponents to Hillary and her wall street backers. In other words, it is philosophical.

    As bad as that it, the situation in the other party is worse. If this nit wit state is any indication, then over 2/3 of the base want an outsider. Therefore when the establishment manipulates the convention to gift the nomination to Rubio, it is lights out for the party.

  124. Well, at least Bernie doesn’t have to worry about Microsoft Bing. They said Trump and Hillary would win Iowa.

  125. I once moved to and lived in Nebraska for 11 years, and the Nebraskan natives looked down on Iowans (and people from South Dakota) as a bunch of inbred farm animals. No, really, they did. Maybe Nebraskans are just full of themselves, but that’s what came to my mind when Iowans chose Cruz, unless their caucus system was just as corrupt as the one that screwed Hillary supporters in Texas back in 2008.

  126. Ok, well since the winner of Iowa rarely gets the nomination, I’ve decided that Cruz’ win tonight was just a kiss of death….. nothing to worry about, full speed a head! 🙂

  127. I once moved to and lived in Nebraska for 11 years, and the Nebraskan natives looked down on Iowans (and people from South Dakota) as a bunch of inbred farm animals.
    ———–
    Oh yes. Animal husbandry has been known to have its ambiguous effects.

    Incidentally this would have interested my hero, Uncle Joe Stalin, who was always the life of the party and the harder you laughed at his jokes, the more likely you would make it through the night without a dagger in your back. He wanted to breed humans and the great apes, to produce an unstoppable army. This was in the 1920s. Well, it did not work, so the project was abandoned in Russia, but Iowa took over the project. One of their more famous success stories was Jim Leach (R-Ia) who led the charge to abolish Glass Steegle, and good old Tom Harkin (D-Ia) who just got caught pushing one of his useless relatives for a job at State. Thank god for neopotism. It makes for a happy workforce.

  128. For all you Trump supporters, do you think his boycott on the last debate hurt him, with folks from Iowa?

    How could the polls be so wrong…again?

    They sure must call the wrong effin’ people at each election. Never once, have they called me.

  129. I don’t think skipping the debate hurt him as Cruz did not do so well…it seemed to help Rubio the most. I think we would havebeen OK and quite surprised at a strong #2 d=for the Donald, but the last poll had him up like 5% points and he lost by about the same.
    ———
    So assuming tonight is a tie or Hillary technically wins, she gets blown out in NH and then the fire wall is SC where Obama basically won the election last time!!!

  130. For all you Trump supporters, do you think his boycott on the last debate hurt him, with folks from Iowa?
    ———
    Well . . . who knows

    If your communication is clear 70% of the people get it the first time you say it.

    The second time, 90%.

    The third tim 99%.

    But in Iowa it is different.

    Donald said what he needed to say in the first 6 debates.

    But to Iowa voters, they may have needed to hear it that seventh time.

    Of course, the other possibility is that if he attended and they sprung their traps on him, he would have done worse, and then everyone would be saying he should have boycotted the last debate.

    Bottom line, shadow, it is an imponderable.

    The only thing we know for sure is the Nebraskan assessment of Iowa voters was prescient.

  131. Which begs the institutional question why in gods green earth would you start the primary season in that venue, with those jamokes?

  132. Tony, in my experience, states always denigrate the next state. In CA, Arizoners (“zonies”) are ridiculed (probably because they flood Socal during AZ’ horrrendous summer temps. When I lived in a northwestern suburb of Chicago, Indianans was made fum of. When I lived in Iowa, I don’t actually remember any state being made fun of – I guess they’re just nice people lol And they’re not stupid, but caucuses involve such a tiny percentage of a state’s population, that really it’s hard to judge much of anything about the state as a whole.

  133. jb: this is the best I can do twisting justice jacksons words:

    Iowa does not come first because it is relevant, but relevant because it comes first.

  134. lorac
    February 2, 2016 at 12:39 am
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    Nice people? sure. Politically astute? . . . . res ipsa locitur (the thing speaks for itself) If family oral history is any indication, my people settled there briefly in the 1880s, and had the good sense continue west. Last time around Iowa voters fell head over heels for Obama, and John whatever his name was. That got the ball rolling in the wrong direction. Not david ypesen or any of the other fixtures in that venue. When Hillary went there in 2008 we had terrible weather, and she had Magic Johnson with her.

  135. Shadow, I’ve never once been polled either. I keep hoping they will call because I surely have an ear full to tell them.

  136. wbboei
    February 2, 2016 at 12:38 am
    Which begs the institutional question why in gods green earth would you start the primary season in that venue, with those jamokes?

    —-
    It ticks me off two. If all states were equal, it wouldn’t matter. I just think that all the time candidates spend there, they get to meet them in a more personal way…yet the big states, lucky if you get to ever see them from a very long distance, and the vote is no big deal as the election winds down and most of the candidates are already bumped off.

    And a freaking cage fight caucus at that. People that are the biggest bullies yank the vote out of more timid voters hands. It is a big free for all that many never attend, because they don’t want to ‘fight’.

    Just going in the booth, pulling the little white curtain and voting for my own choice is the way it should be for every American, not a brawl that has no concern for the individual.

    It is so peasant-like, to me.

  137. Southern

    Shadow, I’ve never once been polled either. I keep hoping they will call because I surely have an ear full to tell them.

    —-
    Maybe that’s why they don’t call us. 😉

  138. I got a 8;15 tomorrow…I am so miserable I just wish I could retire and sleep in , but that ain’t ever gonna happen unless I move to bum f–k Iowa.

  139. uniting the party

    ———–
    That’s the only thing that wouldn’t bother me if someone else won the General. Of course I want her to win, but bringing the Dem party together is almost impossible right now.

    The adults against the kids
    The obots against the centrists
    The illegals against the working class
    The rich against the 99%
    The idiots against everyone else
    The freeloaders against the working class
    The BlacklivesOnly matter against everyone else
    Minorities against everyone that isn’t a minority

    The list goes on.

    Republicans are in a big split too, especially with Cruz and Trump the front runners, against the inexperienced ‘boyscout’ that has his hand out like Obama.

    RubieSlippers is the next Obama.

    He is so clean, he is so young and fresh…we have all seen it before. The new golden calf????

  140. John Edwards.

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    I was just thinking of him and Judas about two minutes ago. Thinking of where things were in Iowa in 2008 primary time.

  141. Okay, I feel better. CNN said Hillary didn’t win Iowa in 2008, Bill Clinton didn’t even compete there.

    The highest % of white ‘liberals’ is in Iowa, NH and Bernie’s state.

  142. One precinct left…Hillary is still leading. Sorry for lack of posts but as soon as I tried to log in I got kicked off.

  143. lorac
    February 2, 2016 at 12:39 am
    Tony, in my experience, states always denigrate the next state.

    How true lorac. NH borders the following:

    Maine = Maniacs
    Massachusetts = Mass-holes
    Vermont = Communists, Socialists, Earth-Mothers, Ben & Jerry’s, Pinkos, Elitists, Snobs…take your pick.

  144. again, never trust the freakin’ polls. it’s so easy to get wrapped-up in the excitement and then there is the eventual big letdown. I’ll never forget the Romney win in 2012. Rove and his fucking whiteboard, everyone and their win-win polls and predictions. it was all bullshit and the letdown was horrendous.

    NH will prove interesting. At least it is an normal primary. None of that 18th Century caucus shit.

  145. Chatting with some co-workers regarding the primary. I’ve heard a couple “he scares me” comments regarding Trump, and that is coming from defense industry folks. I thing Christie will do well in NH, regardless of what the “polls” say.

    I’m with Trump. Full speed ahead.

  146. btw. no one at His44 will “meltdown”. we won’t run away, either. we just get stronger and, hopefully, smarter.

  147. Who knew Iowa likes open borders? Cruz AND Rubio makes a majority of Republicans in Iowa. Add in Hillary and Bernie so they pretty much all do. So I propose to send as many as possible to them. It must not be a fiscal, crime, cultural and social problem there. So “bless their hearts” and good on ’em. Now the circus moves to New Hampshire. The next week should be “interesting” with kill shots flying. I predict Trump will go “immigration” big time and Hillary will just point “Look at him for God’s sakes!”. “Gang of Eight” and Teddy Bear will get the Zika hordes hung around their necks and “Free shit Bernie” the do-nothing. Seriously though Iowa likes the personal touch with candidates appearing in person for months in teeny towns and Hillary and Trump don’t do that shit and I don’t blame them. On to cranky New Hampshire!

  148. Where did it all go wrong……. Hillary and Cruz won…….who’d have thunk despite Bernie trying to cram the caucus…..where did massive crowds for Trump go….was it just pr illusion?

  149. I still say Bernie is an establishment manufactured candidate for political theater and to manipulate/threaten Clinton. The whole Dem show was phony and I would expect Clinton to win because she has been behaving like their good girl.

    I do not get the Trump vote, though. The vote is split between so many, that it is susceptible to manipulation, too. There are too many “non-establishment” candidates, Trump/Cruz/Carson who split that vote.

    Iowa still can’t pick a winner.

  150. Mormaer
    February 2, 2016 at 5:38 am
    Who knew Iowa likes open borders? Cruz AND On to cranky New Hampshire!

    Mormaer- nothing like an old cranky New Hampshire Yankee. too funny and oh so true.

  151. Jenny Beth Martin threw in a late Tea Party Patriots endorsement Ted’s way, giving him more than Sarah could ever have given Trump. Media is still killing her

    Possible Carson drama: there are persistent tweets that a Cruz aide advised Ben’s people to vote cruz cuz Ben would not be back. The jury’s still out on that.

  152. alcina,
    I like NH and ME. Beautiful places, decent and good people and yes cranky but so am I.

    The fear of the defense industry and that idiot survey of 25% of the federal workforce quitting in relation to Trump is directly related to his management style. Slash and burn the deadwood. Productivity and numbers matter. (Example: Why is there one manager for one supervisor with two employees doing the actual work? That is the federal workforce currently) Fear like that is pure self-interest talking because they know a good chance would exist that they would have to produce or be out on their asses. How horrible for them.

  153. Reading back over the article…..all predictions seem to have been laid to waste. The largest did not help Trump or did it save trump from a real disaster…he obviously is not the messiah hes made out to be.
    Sanders needed a win…this is a loss whatever way you at it. He did not topple her.

  154. wbboei

    February 2, 2016 at 12:05 am

    Lets assume that the nominees are Hillary and Rubio

    Which of the two would I support?

    Since they are both globalists, my answer would have to be neither.

    The better question would be which of the two would I attack.

    The answer to that question would have to be Rubio.
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    Wbb…You took the words right out of my mouth. Neither would be good for the US. I no longer trust Hillary on foreign policy and certainly her positions on immigration are destructive. I despise Rubio in addition to not trusting him. I can’t stand to listen to the little twerp. The R establishment are terrible on healthcare so Hillary might be better there if she came out against Ocare except that’s not going to happen.

    I think Rubio’s success can be attributed to the campaigning Fox did for him 24/7 in the days leading up to the caucus. It really is brainwashing and eventually it takes a toll. Think of juries and the people who “change their mind” just to give into peer pressure.
    As for New Hampshire, I believe they have a much greater problem with illegal immigration than Iowa. NH has also seen factory, manufacturing jobs disappear overseas. It is not as agrarian a state as Iowa. So I hope Trump kills it there and then does well in South Carolina. I don’t see Rubio beating Hillary if she is the nominee.

    JB. I have been reading your posts for a long time and I have been surprised by your current support for Hillary after previous comments you have made about healthcare, Israel and other topics seem to be so critical of her recent policies. I don’t recall anything specific just an impression that I had tat we shared many similar views.

    This is a Hillary site and I first came here in 2008 because of my support for her so I shouldn’t be that surprised that so many are rooting for Hillary. I honestly can’t say that I am. A third Obama term scares me….this country will be forever changed in ways that I don’t see as positive. IMHO.

  155. Mormaer
    February 2, 2016 at 5:38 am
    Who knew Iowa likes open borders? Cruz AND Rubio makes a majority of Republicans in Iowa. Add in Hillary and Bernie so they pretty much all do. So I propose to send as many as possible to them. It must not be a fiscal, crime, cultural and social problem there. So “bless their hearts” and good on ’em. Now the circus moves to New Hampshire. The next week should be “interesting” with kill shots flying. I predict Trump will go “immigration” big time and Hillary will just point “Look at him for God’s sakes!”. “Gang of Eight” and Teddy Bear will get the Zika hordes hung around their necks and “Free shit Bernie” the do-nothing. Seriously though Iowa likes the personal touch with candidates appearing in person for months in teeny towns and Hillary and Trump don’t do that shit and I don’t blame them. On to cranky New Hampshire!
    ————-
    When you see a result which is not what you expected, and if you are not guilty of magic thinking, then the question you ask is am I reading this thing wrong?

    In my case, the answer would be yes and no. As the polls came in, I asked a question which was not answered until last night, i.e. in a caucus state, are those polls accurate predictors, or is the ground game the deciding factor. Larry Johnson opined that the ground game was the decisive factor and predicted Cruz would win. Nevertheless, I was impressed by what I was told about Trump’s ground game, but it is hard to overcome the evangelical appeal in a state where that group is powerful. I would give myself a B minus on this issue.

    Where I got it wrong was–and deserve an F was in believing that the people of this country have awakened to the fact that they are losing their country. Yes, I know, if you take Trump, Cruz, Carson, Paul, Huckabee and Santorum together you have nearly 3/4 voting against the establishment. You could also take heart in the fact that Kasich and Christie fell into oblivion. But you cannot explain the surge by the snake oil salesman, liar and globalist Rubio. He is Obama redux, and manna from heaven to the people whose sole criterion is that the candidate be a nice person, while he pulls the rug out from under you. I shall not scruple to say it is the mark of a fool to vote for Rubio. Just as the followers of Obama were known as bots, the followers of Rubio deserve to be called Rubes. And so when somebody declares their support for him in my presence, I will say, oh, then you are a rube are you?

    The establishment will take that as a sign of hope, just when they were getting ready to throw in the towel and vote for the dim. However, there were some signs of encouragement when loser Bob Dole gave Trump a back handed compliment and called his a negotiator, compared to Tednado. And the establishment will use this as a pretext to move a wall of money in his direction, hoping that will be enough to drown out the truth. The Koch brothers have assembled a group of 500 wealthy Republicans together to talk about how to stop Trump, proving to me at least that this really is class warfare, and it is a lie to call it anything else. You can be sure that Rubio will figure prominently in their calculations.
    What I find most disturbing about last night is the fact that Rubio finished a strong third. To me that bespeaks a form of insanity which I am familiar with because it is 2008 all over again. I am going to guess that it is not the farmers whom he snookered by the city dwellers, most of them voted for Cruz in the name of Christ. Larry Johnson predicted this would happen. upper middle class, whose only requirement is that the candidate present himself as a “nice person”. Unable to learn from the past, they seem destined to repeat it.

    Finally, I believe Hillary won the primary last night. It was like the Battle of the Coral Sea, where the Japanese were stopped, but the losses on each side were equal. As Admiral Bull Halsey called it: a tactical draw, but a strategic victory. The conditions on the ground in Iowa, plus the caucus structure, plus the enthusiasm he generates were not enough to stop Hillary. Bernie could win New Hampshire, but after that he is a spent force. And all this will go down like a mouth full of grass burrs with is supporters, hence, the question will be how to unite the party, or how will we win if they all stay home.

  156. The polls in Iowa said one thing, while the caucus produced a different result. Does that mean then that Iowa is full of people who routinely lie to pollsters?

  157. Last night trying to get the blog to run was a crap shoot. I had to take two mini math tests to be accepted after the blog crashed and didn’t remember who I was. 6+2=? if you get a couple of those correct, you get into the main page…it might crash or just freeze, then try to get into the comments and another crash.

    Actually, it was so bad the browser crashed my monitor video at least 6 times.

  158. who’s winning?
    cnn delegate estimate

    Hillary is way out in front as Moon said last night:

    http://www.cnn.com/election/

    Turns out the D party still has not called the race, something fishy must be going on…how long does it take to count some cards?

  159. Tony

    When is the last time any polls were correct? I can’t remember.

    Internet polls can be manipulated by the same person voting over and over.

    Phone polls are almost always wrong…they keep calling the wrong people.

    Polls going on during the election are normally only the early voters, and that is only the eager-beavers sampling

    Rove and his freakin’ white board, no Magic 8 Ball there

    We all try to ignore the polls, but how can we prepare ourselves for the 50 oncoming freight trains that might derail our candidate?

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    The blog is still acting up.

  160. Shadowfax, the math test (which we like as it keeps out robots) and the smashed up front page which has removed our masthead and the side panels, is caused by changes implemented by WordPress. We are beating the hamsters to keep the wheels going while we repair the mess created by WordPress.

  161. alcina
    February 2, 2016 at 5:17 am

    btw. no one at His44 will “meltdown”. we won’t run away, either. we just get stronger and, hopefully, smarter.
    ____________—-
    True Dat.
    And this is only one State.
    There are 57 States to go. :lol:________–

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