Boycott Fox News Debate @RealDonaldTrump – Debate @BernieSanders On Thursday Instead

Update II: Trump: I didn’t like Fox News’s wiseguy press releases so “most likely” I won’t be doing the debate; Update: Campaign manager says he’s out

Hey, do we take credit for this brilliant move?? Biased NRO can’t moderate a debate. Why should unfair and unbalanced Megyn Kelly be allowed to attack Trump at debate?


Update: Trump polls social media: Should I do this Fox News debate or skip it because Megyn Kelly’s biased? The man is smart. As we write below, it is a win/win/win for Trump. Trump has played this so intelligently, once again. You can vote on Trump’s Twitter feed HERE.


Trump’s campaign manager: If Fox won’t remove Megyn Kelly as moderator, maybe we’ll hold our own townhall on Thursday night. We had a better idea last August for a Trump trump against Fox News:

Trump should then say he will hold his own event opposite the Fox News debate. Trump should get a network broadcaster such as ABC News to televise his debate: A debate featuring Donald Trump versus Bernie Sanders (or Hillary, but she won’t accept the invite whereas Saint Bernard will because it will help him).

Result – tens of millions of viewers for ABC, Bernie Sanders Kooks happy, Bernie Sanders happy, strong Hillary Clinton fuming, both party establishments trumped, next to zero ratings for Fox News.

We wrote that before the changes to the debate schedule but the concept is the same. At the very least the threat will force Fox News to reconsider their unfair and unbalanced Megyn Kelly attacks against Trump:

With just five days until Fox News airs the final GOP debate before the Iowa Caucuses, Donald Trump is reigniting his war with Megyn Kelly. “Based on ‪@MegynKelly’s conflict of interest and bias she should not be allowed to be a moderator of the next debate,” Trump tweeted while campaigning in Iowa on Saturday. [snip]

In a lengthy Vanity Fair profile this month, Kelly boasted of writing the now-famous debate question about Trump’s history of misogynistic comments, which ignited the feud this summer. And last week, Kelly sarcastically brought up Sarah Palin’s Trump endorsement, as well as hosted National Review editor Rich Lowry to promote the National Review’s anti-Trump issue.

Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, indicated that Trump could walk away from the debate if Fox won’t exclude Kelly. “Let’s see what happens,” he told me. “It’s fair to say Mr. Trump is a significant ratings driver for these debates. If we aren’t on stage for some reason, they wouldn’t have the record 24 million viewers and would be back with 1-2 million people.”

In the past, the Republican National Committee has banned media it deems unfair. It canceled a debate on NBC, and excluded the Manchester Union Leader and National Review after both outlets attacked Trump. But in this case, the RNC won’t be getting involved. [snip]

Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager, told me Trump could stage his own televised town hall on Thursday night and let Fox’s rivals air it. “That would be a great idea,” he said.

Donald J. Trump has once again demonstrated The Art of the Deal. Trump has placed himself in a win/win/win position.

First Trump win: if Trump attends the Fox News debate the added drama of Kelly v Trump heightens viewership and ratings proving Trump’s center stage power.

Second Trump win: if Trump attends the Fox News debate he can attack Megyn Kelly at will because Trump has prepped the battlefield and informed the viewers that Megyn Kelly is unfair and unbalanced.

Third Trump win: Trump is well ahead in Iowa so he comes from a position of strength if he decides to stage an event opposite the Fox News debate.

Whatever Trump does in this instance, he wins. If Trump would follow our advice and stage a debate on a broadcast station such as CBS, ABC, or even the loathsome NBC, Trump would get the eyeballs and Fox News would lose.

Trump should debate Bernie Sanders. It would be a match so epic it would be like a Marvel universe versus the DC universe; Godzilla v. Mothra, Zeus v. Odin, Barbie v. Buffy. Epic.

A Trump versus Sanders debate would help Trump, hurt all the other Republicans, hurt Fox News, hurt Hillary Clinton, and help Bernie Sanders. Result: Trump would hurt his strongest potential opponent, help his weakest opponent, and break the neck of Fox News and Big Media generally.

For Bernie Sanders a massive debate against Trump on January 28 potentially could be enough to secure an Iowa win. Bernie Sanders could pivot to a general election strategy, which is what he is up to these days anyway:

Sanders opens his rallies by ticking through the latest polls — an uncharacteristic touch of bravado intended to convince Democrats that he is not only viable in a general election but a stronger standard-bearer against the Republicans than Clinton. [snip]

In another sign of growing confidence, Sanders has stepped up his talk of the general election. “I would very much look forward to a race against Donald Trump,” he said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” In speeches at his rallies, he sprinkles in previews of “a Sanders administration.”

Over the course of The Post interview, Sanders said Clinton was running a “desperate” campaign incapable of generating the kind of excitement his has. He raised questions about her motives and character. He said he expects Clinton and her campaign to “throw the kitchen sink” at him in the coming week in what he described as a craven attempt to avoid an embarrassing loss in Iowa. [snip]

Sanders has taken to starting his rallies by touting polls that show him with larger leads against Trump and other leading Republicans than Clinton. He is trying to argue that he is more likely than Clinton to replicate the kind of general election enthusiasm that propelled Barack Obama to the White House in 2008.

Clinton says that she — not Sanders — is the Democrat whom Republicans fear the most.

The DNC might try to punish Sanders or threaten him, but they would not dare to carry out the threat. Ditto the RNC regarding Trump. Authorized or unauthorized a Trump v. Sanders debate would leave the GOP debate on Fox News in the dustbin along with the cat hairballs. All eyes would be fixed on Trump v. Sanders. All the excitement would be on Trump v. Sanders. And the face-off in Iowa streets as the Trump armies v the Sanders squads clash… well, epic.

At this very late date, Hillary Clinton has finally realized what Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders figured out a while back: Hillary must win Iowa:

The last thing Clinton can afford now is for Sanders to get a head of steam from Iowa and New Hampshire. A pair of victories by the Vermont senator could produce a protracted and, for Clinton, debilitating nomination battle. Even if Clinton were to survive and capture the nomination, she would start the general election as a weakened candidate and with her resources significantly depleted.

That’s why a Clinton victory in the Iowa caucuses is so crucial.

Bernie Sanders could win Iowa with a Trump bump. That’s his incentive.

For Hillary, who has ignored every bit of advice we provided these past years, a Trump v. Sanders debate would be a catastrophe. Why? Because it would expose her entire strategy to be the muddled mess we warned about years ago.

Recall our warning in 2013’s The Hillary Clinton 2016 Muddled Message Mess:

The central question for any campaign is whether the electorate must “stay the course!” or whether it is “time for a change!”. It’s one or the other. There is no other question. A merge, a double message won’t sell. A “let’s stay the course but change” concoction has as much appeal and logic as vegetarian pork chops. Hillary Clinton 2016 thus far mumbles non sequiturs hoping no one will notice the screeching echoes of the 2008 muddled message mess (which we tried to correct) when the campaign careened from message to message while the Obama campaign stuck to it’s simple and clear lie.

Read the whole damn thing! Then read scumbag David Axelrod today as he recalls 2006/2008:

Axelrod warns: Take Trump more seriously

For David Axelrod, Donald Trump’s rise among Republican voters could best be explained with the rise of another nearly a decade ago: Barack Obama.

In a New York Times op-ed published Monday, the former Obama adviser wrote of his advice for the then-prospective presidential candidate in 2006, in which he laid out the Illinois senator’s case for a White House run.

“Here’s the gist. Open-seat presidential elections are shaped by perceptions of the style and personality of the outgoing incumbent. Voters rarely seek the replica of what they have,” Axelrod wrote. “They almost always seek the remedy, the candidate who has the personal qualities the public finds lacking in the departing executive.”

In other words, Axelrod added, if he had “only reread my own words, written nine years ago to another aspiring candidate, I would have taken the Trump candidacy more seriously from the start.

Just as a “young” and “energetic” John F. Kennedy succeeded a “grandfatherly” and “somnolent” Dwight D. Eisenhower, so did “puritanical” Jimmy Carter follow the Watergate-sullied administration of Gerald Ford, Axelrod argued.

“So who among the Republicans is more the antithesis of Mr. Obama than the trash-talking, authoritarian, give-no-quarter Mr. Trump?” he asked, noting later, “Relentlessly edgy, confrontational and contemptuous of the niceties of governance and policy making, Mr. Trump is the perfect counterpoint to a president whose preternatural cool and deliberate nature drive his critics mad.” [snip]

“But as the most ardent and conspicuous counterpoint to the man in the White House today, the irrepressible Mr. Trump already has defied all expectations.”

In other words “It’s time for a change.” In 2008 Americans rejected George W. Bush and it was time for a change. That’s why the “Hope and CHANGE” crap was churned out by Obama’s campaign manipulators.

In 2016 it’s time for a CHANGE, a big motherfu*king CHANGE, and Hillary decides she wants to run as the Obama third term. Can you spell “loser”?

Donald Trump took our advice. Trump is THE CHANGE candidate. Hillary put herself in the loser position of “stay the course”.

This is a change election. The unexpected is what is to be expected. In one smart stroke Donald Trump can elevate his poll numbers to even greater heights, schlong Fox News, bury his GOP opponents, utilize Bernie Sanders to finish off Hillary Clinton, and provide the spectacle and entertainment American politics has become. Trump can do all that with a boycott of the Fox News debate and a staged debate of his own.

Or, Trump could just go to the Fox News debate and win again. Trump put himself in a win/win position. That’s what winners do.


142 thoughts on “Boycott Fox News Debate @RealDonaldTrump – Debate @BernieSanders On Thursday Instead

  1. We’ve been schlonged! We have not changed our front page. WordPress changed its software so our front page has been screwed beyond recognition. Repairs are under way.

  2. X-Files. Glenn Beck endorsed Teddy Bear Cruz this weekend but few noticed. Today Rick “heartless” Perry endorsed Teddy Bear Cruz.

    Is a Perry endorsement a good thing? Perry called illegal immigration amnesty opponents of his policies “heartless”. Is this really a person that helps Cruz win, considering all the attacks against Cruz because of his shifting positions on illegal immigration?

    As to Beck, guess who Beck would vote for if not Cruz:

    He said he even prefers Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a self-proclaimed “democratic socialist” running in the Democratic presidential primary, to Trump.

  3. The only thing good about Hillary being removed from Big Pink’s front page is that the page is finally easier to load.

  4. Unfuckingbelievable – Europe is gone.

    Swedish police warns that Stockholm’s main train station has become unsafe after being ‘taken over’ by dozens of Moroccan street children.

    The all-male migrant teen gangs are spreading terror in the centre of the Swedish capital, stealing, groping girls and assaulting security guards, according to Stockholm police.

    Members of the gangs, some as young as nine, roam central Stockholm day and night, refusing help provided by the Swedish authorities.

  5. Admin: some military officer, I can’t quite remember who it was now, claimed that his objective as a junior officer was to do his job in such a way that when the battle was joined he had as many options as possible. Your fine analysis proves that this is exactly what Trump is doing, which is why the establishment has been unable to corner him.

  6. A Donald Trump vs Bernie Sanders debate would be awesome.

    Just think all those Bernie Sanders exposed to Donald Trump. Get to see their guy in sharp contrast. Their guy who the DNC will never allow have the nomination. Sanders people have a familiar heartache coming, maybe they will decide to bolt the democrat party, as we did, and vote for Donald Trump.

    And maybe they will switch even before the DNC shlongs them, deciding they would rather have a chance at a good job and self determination instead of waiting around for handouts.

  7. I would love to see Trump vs Sanders.

    Admin, you say it would help Sanders. But isn’t there a chance that Trump will stomp him, especially since Trump has the better plans? I can’t imagine that Trump wouldn’t be constantly saying, “how are you going to pay for that, Bernie?”, even, “this isn’t a socialistic country, Bernie, we believe in a middle class”.

    If Trump stomps Bernie, wouldn’t that likely make some voters switch to Hillary? (maybe some to Trump, but if you want a socialist, IMO you’re pretty…. warped. I don’t think a normal, hard working, successful American would appeal to them*).

    *and that’s so sad. That used to be “American”. Compete, do the best you can, try to succeed, try try again, be an innovator, etc. Now we’re here – everyone gets awards, many schools don’t have valedictorians anymore because it would hurt others’ feelings. D*mn, we need Trump. For so many things, but not least of all, to restore our culture!

  8. Lorac, they could and would clash on many issues. But there are some points of agreement. For instance, both could certainly profit from attacks on Goldman Sachs.

  9. Lu – from the article you posted last thread. You’re right, that is a very interesting article. One thing I got out of it is that Germany has a tendency to cause trouble lol (maybe not the people, but the elite there)

    The one thing the article doesn’t explain, though, is how Merkel’s previous pronouncement a few years back fits into it. The pronouncement I mean is when she declared that she had decided that multiculturalism just doesn’t work. If she has been the way she is now her whole life, since her upbringing in the marxist politically correct East Germany – where did that big pronouncement come from?

    I didn’t know about her past when she made that pronouncement, but I definitely noticed it and thought the world might be waking up. Then she changed to how she is now, flooding and destroying her own country. I wondered what changed her. But now it seems, that pronouncement was the aberration.

    But still.. I still wonder where it came from, why did she condemn multiculturalism then go back to who she used to be….

  10. admin, I see what you mean. Especially since they could both attack Hillary on those issues, even without her being there….

  11. Lorac, don’t forget Goldman Sachs hurts Ted Cruz more than it hurts Hillary.

    We would especially like to hear Trump question Sanders about illegal immigration. Sanders used to be against illegal immigration because of lower wages. Aggressive questioning from Trump on this issue could prove instructive. Would Sanders side with Trump on low wages being a result of illegal immigration and amnesty to same? Or would Sanders flip flop completely on this issue. It would be fun to watch Trump defend working class voters (white and black) on this.

    Also, as a matter of pure substance, we would enjoy a brawl between Trump the capitalist and Socialist Bernie Sanders. The nation would benefit from a debate like that. Probably will never happen, but it is a shame.

  12. Hillary is ready to take on Trump.

    Or ready for Freddie.

    Here is the problem, as I understand it:

    According to the New York Post, the FBI is focusing on three of her subordinates, i.e. her special assistant Huma Abadin, her chief of staff Cheryl Mills, and her deputy secretary Jake Sullivan.

    What they are attempting to prove is that not only did she have confidential documents on a private server, but she directed one of her subordinates–Sullivan to remove the classified markings.

    They suggest this is worse than what what Snowden did because as Gates notes China, Russia and Iran most likely intercepted that information, and it involved documents with even higher security.

    Assuming arguendo that any of this is true, the pertinent questions are:

    a. Q-1: why did she did she have these high security documents on her private server?– and

    b. Q-2: why did she direct a subordinate to remove the security markings?

    In Snowden’s case, which involves Q-1 only, we know why he did it: so legitimate American news outlets could publish only what was necessary to show the American People the extent to which the Obama administration was spying on them, and lying about it. (Note: see video clip below).

    By contrast, we do not know why Hillary had the documents on her private server, what she intended to do with them, and why she directed a subordinate to remove the security markings.

    If you are libertarian in your leanings, then what Snowden did, the care he took to protect its security, and the nature of the purpose he took it are mitigating factors.

    Here however we just don’t know.

  13. Now that Trump is hitting Cruz on his two undeclared loans, one from G-S, I wonder if he is going to go that next step and identify his wife as a G-S employee (albeit on leave for the campaign).

    He could point out that the low interest rate Cruz got is usually given to rich people who don’t even need the money, which is not Cruz. Gee, how did Cruz get such a low rate from G-S…. where his wife works… hmmmmm…. a mystery…. lol

  14. I am sorry.

    My mistake.

    Never should have

    Posted the above clip

    Critical of Toobin

    But its too late now.

    He has a disability

    Which explains his

    Celebrity status

    And abysmal ignorance

    Of the Constitution

    What is it?

    Harvard College: BA

    Harvard Law School: JD

    And the arrogance that goes with it

    Which makes for

    A disability of a different kind.

  15. lorac
    January 26, 2016 at 1:13 am
    If he is going to drill down on this one, he needs to do the math, figure out what the low interest rate was worth in terms of gross dollars, and ask what if anything the lender got from him as a senator in return, in terms of past benefits or future ones. If the amount is large enough to shock the conscience of the people in Iowa, then that is firing for effect. However, this point may best be made by someone else, like a reporter he has in the bag.

    When the mob ran the Central States Pension fund, they used their position as union trustees to make low interest loans to mob owned casinos in Las Vegas, which enriched the mobs business enterprises, and deprived Teamster members of their pensions. In the public sector, a low interest loan to someone who does not deserve it, is essentially a bribe. Here, the operative questions are how did he qualify for that loan, and what if anything was the quid pro quo beyond repayment of the loan.

  16. In the public sector, a low interest loan to someone who does not deserve it, is essentially a bribe. Here, the operative questions are how did he qualify for that loan, and what if anything was the quid pro quo beyond repayment of the loan.

    wbboei – good point – well said.

  17. For example, it is possible for a spouse who works for a banking firm to secure as a result of his or her position a low interest loan. If GS offers that same low interest rate to all similarly situated officers, and there is no other evidence to suggest bribery, then it is a dead issue, legally speaking. In that case, any remaining attempt to keep it alive must be seen as political.

  18. Correction: a low interest loan to a public official is a bribe if:

    1. he is not eligible to receive it, and-

    2. it is offered to him as an inducement to breach his fiduciary duties.

  19. “Hillary was on fire.

    She is ready to take on Trump.”

    I am sorry Hillary is not ready to take on trump.
    she is rather poor health these days.
    breaks my heart to see her further the obama legacy or try to.

    ““She’s often confused.”

    Those were the words of longtime Hillary Clinton personal assistant/confidante Huma Abedin regarding Mrs. Clinton’s mental state taken from emails uncovered during the ongoing investigation into Hillary Clinton’s potentially illegal use of a private email server to both send and receive classified government information.

    That was three years ago, and apparently, Hillary Clinton’s confusion has only worsened since then and her floundering campaign is proof of that fact. The once formidable Clinton Machine is in 2016 clinging to a long ago past and running out of gas.”

    it doesn’t look good health wise. the campaign grind is about pushing a large stone up a hill and she does not look up to it at this point.

    “Both of the last two Democrat presidential debates have ended early and it is being suggested that came at the direct request of Clinton campaign operatives via DNC Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There was a remarkable moment during the December debate in which Mrs. Clinton arrived quite late following a break. While many have speculated it was due to a longer than expected bathroom “experience” the real issue was with Clinton’s swollen ankles and feet, the result of the many medications she is on to combat a growing myriad of medical issues. Backstage there was far more drama involved than what was shown on the television cameras as the former First Lady was said to be near tears from the discomfort and indicating to Huma she might be unable to continue. Apparently Mrs. Clinton’s personal physician was on hand to administer pain relief and she was then able to continue:”

  20. I don’t know why they make them stand anyway, just a few of them, Hillary should have had that put in the perquisites.

  21. Picking up on where we left off last night:

    If all we were talking about was the removal of documents which Hillary generated to a private server, then one could conclude as I did initially that the purpose was to avoid micro-management by the deranged Obama people. And while some will argue that this is indefensible under any circumstances because the chain of command is sacrosanct, I would point out that there are exceptions as the Nurenberg trials demonstrate. Put differently, where, as here, there is reason to believe that the man at the top of the chain of command is acting in cross purposes to the interests of the nation, a decision to keep his minions out of the loop so the interests of the nation can be served without interference, then the actions may be defensible. (Note: I considered that question in a more generic sense several years ago, in a book I wrote, which asked what do you do when you have a bad boss, and the answer was you find legitimate, defensible ways to work around him).

    If all we were talking about here was the removal of documents, then that explanation would suffice for me and I would object to further inquiry on the subject as partisan.

    But that explanation cannot account for the subsequent alteration of those documents, removing the classified subheading. And it that was done to some of the beyond top secret documents then we really are in a different ball game. In that case, it would be reasonable to ask questions about these purloined altered documents, such as: did they relate to a common theme, did they involve a common set of individuals, were those individuals contributors to CGI, were they affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, and what about Huma, etc.

    According to one theory–and at this point all it is is a theory, these actions were part and parcel of a pay to play scheme involving the Clinton Global Initiative. Proponents of this theory point out that the charitable contributions which the foundation makes are small in comparison to what it takes in. If memory serves, the payout on the Hati disaster relief effort that Bill was engaged in was roughly 10%. The remaining 90% was used for unrelated purposes. Bill and Hillary are paid half a million dollars for hour long speeches at Goldman Sachs and elsewhere. And foreign governments who are major contributors to CGI could have an interest in the purloined altered documents.

    This could all be conspiracy stuff, or desperate efforts by deranged right wing republicans to keep a good woman out of the white house. That would be the position of democrats, like the increasingly vocal Shiff from California, whose designated role in an scandal involving members of his party is to repeat ad infinitum this is a partisan witch hunt and there is no there there. (Note: the Los Angeles U.S. Attorneys office lost a real gem when that joker decided to leave and run for office). I am skeptical too for different reasons, primarily I do not want to believe that it is true. And even if it is all true, when I compare it to the crimes perpetrated by Obama, which are never prosecuted, I lose interest. My only interest in it now is it makes for a good Agatha Christie mystery.

  22. Iowa poll: Trump and Cruz in a dead heat

    The feuding rivals are virtually tied with less than a week before the caucuses.

    While Cruz has slipped from his early-January high in the Iowa polls, the latest survey shows him in a virtual dead heat with his main rival.

    Rubio, however, is struggling to break out of his distant third position. In Tuesday’s survey, conducted over the course of the past week, the Florida senator earned 13 percent, a slight dip from two weeks ago, when he stood at 15 percent.
    All other candidates polled in the single digits…

  23. foxyladi14
    January 26, 2016 at 11:42 am
    This very interesting interview was over 25 years ago

  24. Shadowfax
    January 26, 2016 at 12:00 pm
    Iowa poll: Trump and Cruz in a dead heat
    That does not tell me alot.

    Problem 1: the source is Politico, who play fast and loose with the truth

    Problem 2: this is a caucus state, ergo the end result depends more on the ground games, than on results of any poll.

    The pundits are now telling us this is a two man race between Cruz and Trump. The British bookies we learn this morning believe it is a race between Cruz or Trum vs baby cheeks Rubio. And the jokers at Red State, led by the newly appointed Leon Wolfe are wailing and nashing their teeth in the outer darkness for fear that Donald will win the nomination. Laughing Leon is doing the bidding of dearly departed Eric who banned Trump from the Red State convention a few months back.

  25. S, it is Jerry Falwell Jr.

    Falwell is a big get. He is a well known evangelical and president of Liberty University. He has said some remarkably good things about Trump recently.

    Ted Cruz announced he was running for president at Liberty University so this is a bit of a slap. Also, Trump is not exactly the most prudish of people or candidates for president.

    This Falwell endorsement is reinforcement for the Sarah Palin endorsement. Evangelicals are 60% of the GOP vote in Iowa so at the very least it blunts the “Trump is not religious” attacks coming from the Cruz camp.

    Somewhere in Texas, Glenn Beck is screaming.


    CNN/ORC Poll: Donald Trump dominates GOP field at 41%

    Washington (CNN)Donald Trump has hit a new high in the race for the Republican nomination, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll, with more than 4-in-10 Republican voters nationwide now saying they back the billionaire.

    And more than two-thirds of Republicans say he’s the candidate most likely to capture their party’s presidential nomination.

    Trump has topped the 40% mark for the first time in CNN/ORC polling, standing at 41%. That more than doubles the support of his nearest competitor, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who notches 19% support in the poll. No other candidate hit double-digits. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio landed at 8%, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 6%, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 5%, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 4%, and the rest at 3% or less.

  27. This article is very good. It is from Ace of AceOfSpades website. For those that don’t know the website, AceOfSpades is a very conservative website. Recently, we read that Ace considers himself a “liberal” in the classic sense and does not really like conservatives or conservatism. A lot of people like that recently.

    The article is about why Ace wants to see Rubio lose:

    Here’s Why I Am So Absolutely Opposed to Marco Rubio

    The Establishment has a gameplan. The gameplan is to manage their voters and leave them with little choice but to accept the agenda they’ve set for us.

    Here is what they are hoping: “Sure, the base will squawk and make big noises and rant on the internet, and sure, Rush Limbaugh will hit us, but if we just remain absolutely implacable, unwilling to budge an inch, eventually they will get over their temper tantrum and accept that We Always Win So There’s No Use Resisting.”

    Now, obviously, amnesty is a major part of the Establishment’s platform. In their 2012 post-mortem, the consultants, who are super-smart and know everything, made amnesty a central plank to winning in 2016.

    The same as they’d previously thought it was the key to winning in 2006, 2008, 2010, etc…

    Now, if we all squawk, and make noise, and have our tantrum, but then, in the end, dutifully support an Amensty Super-Hawk like Marco Rubio, precisely as the Establishment always planned for us to do, do you think they’ll take that as a repudiation, and a sign that they must reform?

    Or do you think, rather, they’ll take that as a sign that they calculated the political math perfectly, and they knew our numbers to three decimal places, and they did everything right, and have successfully Managed their stupid, three-toothed inbred voters yet again?

    Of course it’s the latter.

    They could not possibly take the nomination of Marco Rubio any other way. They would take it as total and complete vindication — and they’d be right to do so, because it would in fact be total and complete vindication.

    That’s why, for me, Rubio cannot be permitted to win. For me — you don’t have to agree; we’re all different, and we all have different priorities — the Establishment cannot be permitted to walk out of this with a big W.

    Even if I lose the election, an even worse outcome would be if I lose, and they win.

    Again, you don’t have to agree. We’re Americans, we’re permitted to think differently from each other.

    But my priority is reforming the GOP into an institution which actually serves voters and not just the Chamber of Commerce and a dozen deep-pocketed, socially-liberal mega-donors, but a party that, when working class people tell them Disney is abusing the H-1B program to hire foreign workers and fire American ones, actually gives a shit, and does not just run over to Disney and ask for a campaign donation.

    So for me, it has to be Cruz, or Trump. I’d prefer Cruz, as I keep saying. I’ll take Trump, though, because, while he’s kind of stupid and temperamentally unsuited for the job, he would nevertheless also serve as a repudiation of the Establishment’s Corporate Client “Conservatism.”

    The GOP is nakedly now a “clientist” party the same as the Democrat Party. They just have different clients.

    And those clients aren’t us.

    Some things the GOP does I don’t mind, per se, but I object to the GOP making them a priority, while they give us Fake Votes and Failure Theater on our priorities. I’m sure the right to export oil crude is useful. I just don’t think it’s worth selling out every other agenda item to get.

    A long time ago, the Washington Post described conservative voters as “poor, uneducated, and easily led.”

    I am beginning to fear they were right. If we once again snap our salutes and act like the hierarchy-loving drones the Washington Post had us pegged as — if we once again give in to the Boehner-McConnell Axis of K Street — then what the hell are we, except “uneducated and easily led?”

    We are Americans, damn it. We are supposed to be unruly. We are supposed to be rebellious.

    God did not make us to stand patiently in queues and politely clap for our leaders no matter how distant, corrupt, and dismissive.

    That’s why he made Canadians.

    It is time to actually revolt. Not just talk about it — actually do it. Actually let them know that we do have our limits, and those limits were passed sometime in 2015.

    On the other hand — if this is all just squawking and we all just want to be Managed by the Ruling Class into doing what they’ve decided is Best for us — then by all means, vote for Marco Rubio.

    Just let them know that at the end of the day, all you want to do is bark a little. Then, having barked your little stupid puppy heart out, you’ll roll over and show them your belly, yet again.

    Shall we permit them to manage and wrangle us, or will we finally take over the farm and start managing and wrangling them?

    Choose wisely. Nothing at all depends on it, except everything.

    Hoist the black flag, mateys. We did in 2008.


    Denmark Passes Tough New Immigration Law

    The controversial reforms will allow authorities to seize asylum seekers’ assets and will also delay family reunions.

    Denmark’s parliament has voted in favour of seizing the assets of asylum seekers to help pay for their stay.

    The controversial law is part of a package of immigration reforms designed to make the country less appealing for migrants.

    The new measures, which also delay family reunions by increasing the waiting period from one to up to three years, had cross-party support and passed with an overwhelming majority.

    Out of the 109 parliamentarians who voted, 81 back the bill which was presented by the right-wing minority government of Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen.

    Under the new measures, valuables worth more than roughly £1,000 will be seized as migrants enter the country.

    After considerable uproar Parliament clarified that jewellery and other sentimental possessions will not be taken.

    The UN and other human rights organisations have condemned the legislation, saying it breaks international laws on refugees.

    Critics say separating families is inhumane and will severely affect integration efforts.

    However, the Danish government says the measures have been “terribly misunderstood”.

    It argued that Danes who want to qualify for social benefits may also have to sell their valuables.

    Government spokesman Marcus Knuth said: “This misconception that Danish authorities would take personal valuables and so on is so, so wrong.

    “We’re simply asking that if asylum seekers – in the rare case where they do come with enough means to pay for themselves then – following exactly the same rules as for Danish citizens wishing to be on unemployment benefits – if you can pay for yourself, well then you should pay for yourself, before the Danish welfare system does it.”

    Sky’s Ian Woods says over 70% of Danes think the migrant issue is the most important issue facing the country.

    He says the adoption of the new measures, which were backed by the main-centre left opposition, reflect a marked shift to the right in Danish politics.

    Denmark received 21,300 asylum-seekers, one of the highest rates per capita in the EU, last year.

    The country, which has a population of 5.6 million, has introduced tougher border controls until at least early next month.

    By comparison, neighbouring Sweden took 160,000 migrants last year, while Germany took over one million.

  29. Wbb

    Polls are polls. We all know they fluctuate depending on the day or current events. Remember how wrong all the polls were for Mitt?

    Nothing is set in stone, don’t read anything I post if you don’t want to.

    I just hate to see Big Pink as solid Trump supporters, when not all of us are.

    Pretty soon, I will probably post no longer either…so until then…

  30. Admin,

    As you probably know, I have been reading Ace for sometime, rarely comment however. Ace hates Trump, I think he is a Cruz guy.

  31. Here is your rock ribbed conservative outsider Ted Cruz:

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell Attorney Heads Pro-Cruz, Anti-Trump Super PAC…

    yohio says:
    “Wow, when it all comes together it ALL comes together. So once again the connection to idiot McConnell and the Mr.Wonderful Ted Cruz and why he supported TPA. Now of course for over 2 to 3 million dollars spent to help try and win the presidency, he will use his influence and Senate seat to deliver TPP to them. Mr. Wonderful Cruz despicable as they come, … “

  32. Ok, I know he says he’ll take Trump…but that is the first time I have read that. Usually he is besides himself about him..Something has changed.

  33. So, apparently Trump will do the debate.

    But he warns Kelley she had better be fair.

    And then in the next breath he says she won’t be fair.

    Which is like saying I dare you to be fair.

    But then a spokesman for that network attributes his insistence on fairness as fear?

    I do not think fear is in Donald’s repertoire.

    Then what motivates them to cast it in those terms?

    First, an unwillingness to examine the possibility that she is biased, narcisstic and willing to use her position for illicit purposes.

    Second, an effort to pre empt a counter attack.

    Either way, FOX under Murdock (as opposed to Ailes) is the most corrupt news outlet in the country.

  34. sirmrks
    January 26, 2016 at 3:34 am

    FYI of men that have been our Presidents with VERY severe health problems…so of our best, some…not our best 🙂

    Andrew Jackson
    Chronic headaches, failing eyesight, bleeding in his lungs, internal infection, and pain from two bullet wounds from two separate duels.

    Grover Cleveland
    Suffered throughout his life with obesity, gout, and nephritis (inflammation of the kidneys). When he discovered a tumor in his mouth, he underwent surgery to remove part of his jaw and hard palate.

    William Taft
    Due to his excessive weight, he suffered from sleep apnea, high blood pressure and heart problems.

    Woodrow Wilson
    Along with hypertension, headaches, and double vision, Wilson suffered from a series of strokes. These strokes affected his right hand, leaving him unable to write normally for a year. More strokes rendered Wilson blind in his left eye, paralyzing his left side and forcing him into a wheelchair.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    At the age of 39, the FDR experienced a severe attack of polio, resulting in total paralysis of both legs.

    John F. Kennedy
    Kennedy chose to keep secret his 1947 diagnosis of Addison’s disease—an incurable disorder of the adrenal glands. Due to chronic back pain and anxiety, he developed an addiction to painkillers, stimulants, and anti-anxiety medication.

    Ronald Reagan
    Reagan experienced urinary tract infections (UTIs), underwent removal of prostate stones, and suffered from temporomandibular joint disease (TMJ)and arthritis. In 1987, he had operations for prostate and skin cancers, and suffered from Alzheimer’s disease.

    George H.W. Bush
    Throughout his lifetime, he suffered several bleeding ulcers, arthritis, and various cysts. He was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation due to hyperthyroidism and was diagnosed with the autoimmune disorder Graves’ disease.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    While in office he had a heart attack, stroke, and Crohn’s disease.

  35. Hillary seemed very energetic last night and stood the whole time. She almost seemed like she was making a statement that she was fine. I know Drudge was talking about the cough, but she seemed fine last night.

  36. Admin…I guess it is a double header endorsement for DT

    Jerry Falwell Jr and Sheriff Joe Arpaio

    supposedly they will both be at Donald’s rally tonight

    geesh…he is so strategic and smart…can only imagine what he has up his sleeve for down the road…

  37. btw…maybe Hillary’s camp is reading us…just got home and there was Lisa Caputo speaking for Hillary on CNN with Jake Tapper…she was on with the pollster KellyAnne who is supporting Cruz

    Lisa (and Mandy) should have been front and center a long time ago…

  38. OT…that Jerry Falwell Jr is a lot better looking than his father

    I agree Admin – slap to Cruz…donald has really outfoxed him

  39. I know Drudge was talking about the cough, but she seemed fine last night.

    A freakin’ cough…oh no, the sky is falling.

    If Hillary were younger Drudge would be commenting on her monthly emotional state.

    STFU Drudge! We know you hate Hillary.

  40. Shadowfax

    January 26, 2016 at 1:43 pm


    Shadowfax…you do understand that the reason most of us cannot support Hillary and are supporting Trump is because we do not support O’s agenda and a third term of O’s policies carried out and extended and increased by Hillary Policies and O’s legacy Hillary is telling you she plans to support and continue…

    You seem to be taking this very personally…many of us have already gone thru the last stages of grief with Hillary because she has abandoned us…

    the bottom line for the “Trump supporters” you mention is that we are concerned for the future of our country…starting with IMMIGRATION…and free trade, the enormous 20 TRILLION debt we have, the refugee migration…jobs, jobs, jobs…and a break from the corrupted two party system…the dims and the repubs…this is the best chance to get an independent in the White House…

    You do realize that Hillary supports O’s agenda and will continue it and make it bigger and bigger…

    most of us were you…felt just like you…but Hillary has spoken to us and we do not like what we are hearing…we do not support those policies…believe she is too beholden to the same crew that is behind O…and we have moved on…

    so please do not disparage people who have looked at the same facts you are but are coming to different conclusions…I understand and respect your POV, we are all entitled to express our honest opinions…and I intend to…and as you should continue to do

    it is about how our country will be run…not about liking or not liking Hillary on a personal level…

  41. S

    Please, I have been here every day since 2007 so you don’t need to tell me why you support Trump. I can read.

    I am expressing myself just like all of you are.

    I have been upfront about what I think, so you already know where I stand.

  42. Lu4PUMA what o you; make of this?

    This was in my newsfeed this a.m.

    BREAKING: AIG Plans Divestitures, $25B In Capital Returns After Icahn Push
    AIG unveiled plans Tuesday to divest two businesses and promised to return $25 billion in capital to shareholders, a move that comes just a week after activist investor Carl Icahn urged the insurer to create a narrowly focused property and casualty company that can no longer be considered too big to fail.

  43. As far as the personal level S, I defend her just like most of you defend Trump.

    I don’t defend Hillary when she praises the Fraud, I don’t defend her when she leans too far left for my tastes…I do defend her when I disagree with the media that attack her for assinine things, or when politicians misrepresent her, IMO.

    Seems as though everyone here does the same, just no longer for Hillary any longer.

  44. Shadowfax…I guess what I have been trying to understand because of course I know you have been here as long as I have…and I have often read your positions on immigration and how much you disliked O and his policies(especially with you being in California)

    that is such a big issue…so I do not have to repeat what Hillary plans to do and how she is going to take O’s immigration further and said she will use executive orders to do so…

    that is where I am confused because we will get more and more of O’s policies on immigration…there will be no wall…there will be more dreamers and their families, more illegals walking in, more drugs coming in and more migrant refugees…more open borders like the supporters in the Dim party want…

    and of course, you and I and other hard working Americans will be paying for all that…

    you do not have to explain it to me or be defensive…however that is the point I have had trouble understanding with your stand…I know you love Hillary and have waited a long time for this…

    I wish things were different, I honestly do…

  45. Well said S…we are all at different points in our relationship with Hillary.
    I think I have gone through Erickson’s spectrum more than once. It started with the Convention, then I didn’t support her being SOS, Benghazi….well, we all have our own perspective on things.
    I will say it hurts to see her in the position she is in, but I believe she had choices, some of which most people never are in position to make. I hate the personal swipes at her, 2008 over and over.
    If it was Hillary 2008 I would walk the earth with her, tooth and nail…but it’s 2016 and her agenda is not my agenda. Never did I think Trump would be my choice, but here we are, with quite an interesting bed fellow.
    Life is so strange.


    read this…Europe is overwhelmed and now Italy will take the brunt of the immigrants…look at the photos…almost ALL men…no one knows who they are or why they want into Europe…

    the world cannot continue like this…someone has to make an attempt to stop it and enforce some sanity and common sense…

    and Europe wonders why they are having problems…

    How are women suppose to feel secure anywhere?

    who is suppose to pay for all of this

  47. I know, S. I am more of a centrist, so most candidates have parts I like and parts I do not like.

    Trump has the fence, I still like it, but I do not agree with many of his ideas. To me, he takes things too far for my liking.

    I understand that for some of us, there is an emotional element with Hillary. I have waited for decades for Hillary to run, and then run again…more than anyone else in politics. Have I ever agreed with everything she has done or said, no. But she is as close to what I want in a President as I have ever found. Obama

    I don’t mind that most of Big Pink don’t feel the same way as I do. I just think there should be space and equal consideration of viewpoints for those of us that still want Hillary to win.

    It gets frustrating when I come to Big Pink and it’s it all negative comments about Hillary. I will keep coming back until I can’t stand it any longer.

  48. Donald having a press conference now…just said after Fox sent out the press release about Putin, etc trolling DT, he decided he probably won’t do the debate and will do something else instead and at the same time…maybe something for the veterans and wounded warriors…he said they are acting like children and they cannot use or toy with him…

    so at this point he is not planning on doing the debate…

    frankly why is meghan doing this debate…she had her shot…couldn’t Fox come up with someone else…

  49. Gack, I started to say something about Obama above…then was interrupted and it was there with just his name.

    My opinion is that Obama stole a lot of Hillary’s ideas in 2008, especially healthcare. His lazyass and the one time opportunity of having the supermajority in Congress, led him and the Dims to take advantage and just pass a piece of legislation that was nothing like what Hillary would have built if she had won. My hope, and for now, that’s all I have by some of the things that she has said, is that she will try to revamp ObamaCare if she becomes President. She is much better at working with the Repubs than he was, and hopefully she could turn it into a good healthcare plan when she was finished.

  50. Trump is batting Fox around like a kitten with a yarn ball.

    The GOP front-runner not showing up to a GOP debate on Fox…hahaha.

  51. With this brouhaha over whether Trump will show up to the debate or not….

    Admin, you might as well declare that Trump has already won that debate.

  52. foxyladi14
    January 26, 2016 at 11:42 am

    This very interesting interview was over 25 years ago

    Yes, very interesting. DT gets the math. Our politicians have literally been selling us out for a long time. Globalism is a great excuse.

  53. Obama didn’t steal Hillary ideas..He was waiting for orders from the Trilateral commission.
    He did use her ideas however, he just never planned on implementation.
    Yes Admin…you win the poll!

  54. Betty
    January 26, 2016 at 5:19 pm
    Betty, I am a better engineer than I am a financier. We all see what is going on with the stock markets. Up and down 100+ points day to day is a sign of financial instability. Harry Dent is saying that there may appear to be a rally now, but it will bust after the first week of February.

    Anyone with good sense is buckling up and assuming crash positions.

  55. Admin!

    I no longer wear a hat.

    I have taken it off to you so often, that I decided what’s the use of putting it back on?

    Donald will will not attend because of their snark.

    You called it.


  56. Admin, you could take credit for telling Trump he should boycott the debate…the real question is,

    will he let you take credit for it? 🙂

  57. I believe there is an internal battle between Murdock and Ailes.

    I believe Murdock told Ailes, watch this!

    I will show you how to handle Trump!!!!!!!!!!

    Show him a little red ass–like a baboon would.

    That is the only language he understands.

    Now, Ailes can tell Murdock:

    I am watching . . . but thanks to you, I no longer see Trump on the debate stage.

    I agree. This has been a teaching moment–for you asshole.

  58. All those corporate creatures, especially the Queen of the May are sucking up to Murdock.

    Now, what will they do.

    Murdock set the tone.

    And the rats followed his lead.

    The queen of the May trashed Trump in the vanity fair article

    And then this press agent of their added insult to injury.

    They told themselves he was trapped because Iowa is right around the corner.

    Once again, they guessed wrong.

    I suspect the press guy will get fired for snark over this.

  59. I give monthly to the WWP…that is distressing. I knew they had high recruiting fees, but this is out of hand.

    Power and money corrupt most people. As they say, you want to know someone’s character, give them a little Power.

    Seems all politicians use the power to pad their wallets.

  60. Tweeters! Tweet Trump admin’s idea of a town hall or even a Sanders debate!

    Although this might be part of his negotiation, how he says we should have walked away from the table with Iran at the start if they wouldn’t give us the prisoners. He may be fully ready to debate once they pull Megyn Kelly.

  61. foxy, thanks for the old Trump video! It could have been filmed today – other than the lower amounts that other countries are ripping us off.

    And I love how he said, when talking about hoping that there is someone out there to be a good president, he said “he or she”….


    Presidential candidate Donald Trump said he is “most likely” not going to participate in Thursday’s night Republican debate hosted by FOX News Channel and moderated in part by Megyn Kelly. Trump made the comments at a Tuesday evening press conference in Marshalltown, Iowa.

    Trump said he would probably hold a charity event a charity event to raise money for veterans and the Wounded Warrior Project.

    DONALD TRUMP: I told FOX you should give money to the Wounded Warriors. I’m not a fan of Megyn Kelly. I think she’s a third-rate reporter, frankly, not good at what she does. They could do a lot better than Megyn Kelly. I’m going to make a decision with FOX but i probably won’t bother doing the debate. they picked me as number one. Not only number one, number one by far.

    Probably I won’t be doing the debate. I’m going to have something else in Iowa, do something where we raise money for the veterans and the wounded warriors. We’re going to do something simultaneously with the debate. Most likely I’m not going to do the debate…

    I don’t know what games Roger Ailes is playing, but what’s wrong over there, something’s wrong. But when they sent out that press release talking about, I said why are these people playing games? Most likely I won’t be doing the debate.

  63. Cruz is out there saying Trump is scared of Megyn Kelly, so how can he handle Hillary, how can he handle being president, how can he handle leaders of other countries, yada yada, because obviously he is afraid of all of them if he’s afraid of Megyn Kelly.

    Of course, the whole sequence is built on the original lie/interpretation of his decision not to debate. Not that Cruz or anyone else really believes all that, it was just the obvious low-hanging fruit response for Cruz’ own benefit.

    But not to fear – Fox is interviewing Rubio right now in front of a rally he is having right now. The room looks to be the size of a high school lunchroom.


    Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump says he will not attend a debate scheduled for Thursday night in Des Moines, an unexpected twist just days before voters here launch the election process.

    “I probably won’t be doing the debate. I’m going to have something else in Iowa,” he said during a press conference in a high school workout room on Tuesday afternoon.

    After the press conference, Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski confirmed to The Washington Post that Trump would “definitely not” participate in Thursday’s Fox News debate.

    He’s definitely not participating in the Fox News debate,” Lewandowski said. “His word is his bond.”

    He said Trump would remain in Iowa as planned and would instead host an event in the state to raise money for wounded warriors and other veterans groups.

    Trump has made such threats before, but he said that the Fox News Channel, which is hosting the debate Thursday night, had gone too far by issuing press statements on Tuesday that he said mocked his concern about Megyn Kelly, one of the debate co-moderators.

    They’re dealing with someone who’s a little bit different. They can’t toy with me like they toy with everybody else,” he added.

    When Trump saw the press release from Fox, “I said, ‘Bye bye,'” he said.

    Trump said his event on Thursday will benefit military veterans and service members wounded in war.

    Although Trump said there had been too many Republican debates, Lewandowki said the decision applied only to the Fox News debate and that he would be open to participating in future debates.

    Earlier Tuesday, Fox News Channel President Roger Ailes told The Post that “Megyn Kelly is an excellent journalist, and the entire network stands behind her. She will absolutely be on the debate stage on Thursday night.”

    Later, the network poked fun at Trump in a satirical statement: “We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president. A nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings.”

    Trump’s feud with Kelly began during the first debate in August, when she questioned him about disparaging remarks he has made about women with her opening question.

    Trump is scheduled to appear later Tuesday in Iowa City. On Wednesday, he is scheduled to travel to Lexington, S.C., for a rally before returning to Iowa, presumably for his veterans-themed event.

    The difference between Trump and Hillary: “They’re dealing with someone who’s a little bit different. They can’t toy with me like they toy with everybody else.”

  65. Update from Breitbart’s article of Trump dumping the debate:

    New York Magazine reported at 9.30 pm. that Trump was rejecting telephone calls from Fox News’ chief Roger Ailes. Instead, Trump is requiring that any negotiations must take place between him and Ailes’ boss, Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the News Corp., which owns Fox.

  66. It’s open war!

    Fox News released a statement in response to Trump’s decision, in which the network trashed Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, accused Trump of “terrorizations” of Kelly, and said that Trump is “walking away” from Iowans.

    “As many of our viewers know, FOX News is hosting a sanctioned debate in Des Moines, Iowa on Thursday night, three days before the first votes of the 2016 election are cast in the Iowa Caucus,” Fox News said in the statement. “Donald Trump is refusing to debate seven of his fellow presidential candidates on stage that night, which is near unprecedented. We’re not sure how Iowans are going to feel about him walking away from them at the last minute, but it should be clear to the American public by now that this is rooted in one thing – Megyn Kelly, whom he has viciously attacked since August and has now spent four days demanding be removed from the debate stage. Capitulating to politicians’ ultimatums about a debate moderator violates all journalistic standards, as do threats, including the one leveled by Trump’s campaign manager Corey Lewandowski toward Megyn Kelly. In a call on Saturday with a Fox News executive, Lewandowski stated that Megyn had a ‘rough couple of days after that last debate’ and he ‘would hate to have her go through that again.’ Lewandowski was warned not to level any more threats, but he continued to do so. We can’t give in to terrorizations toward any of our employees. Trump is still welcome at Thursday night’s debate and will be treated fairly, just as he has been during his 132 appearances on FOX News & FOX Business, but he can’t dictate the moderators or the questions.”


    Trump Campaign Statement on FOX News Debate

    (New York, NY) January 26th, 2016 – As someone who wrote one of the best-selling business books of all time, The Art of the Deal, who has built an incredible company, including some of the most valuable and iconic assets in the world, and as someone who has a personal net worth of many billions of dollars, Mr. Trump knows a bad deal when he sees one. FOX News is making tens of millions of dollars on debates, and setting ratings records (the highest in history), where as in previous years they were low-rated afterthoughts.

    Unlike the very stupid, highly incompetent people running our country into the ground, Mr. Trump knows when to walk away. Roger Ailes and FOX News think they can toy with him, but Mr. Trump doesn’t play games. There have already been six debates, and according to all online debate polls including Drudge, Slate, Time Magazine, and many others, Mr. Trump has won all of them, in particular the last one. Whereas he has always been a job creator and not a debater, he nevertheless truly enjoys the debating process – and it has been very good for him, both in polls and popularity.

    He will not be participating in the FOX News debate and will instead host an event in Iowa to raise money for the Veterans and Wounded Warriors, who have been treated so horribly by our all talk, no action politicians. Like running for office as an extremely successful person, this takes guts and it is the kind mentality our country needs in order to Make America Great Again.


  68. I don’t have a pony in this race but just curious…Rand Paul bowed out of the last debate and not a peep from Fox…”The Donald” bows out and all hell breaks loose.

    Could it be Fox seeing all those ad dollars going away?

  69. Ooops forgot the description of the above video

    Fox News and Google have invited three YouTube personalities to ask questions at the Jan. 28 GOP debate — including a Muslim advocate who describes Donald Trump as a bigot and who visually portrayed him as being in agreement with national socialist Adolf Hitler.

  70. The moderators always seem to like to focus on Trump, try to get others to attack him, “Trump says….”, what do you say to that?

    I have a feeling the upcoming non-Trump debate is still going to be about him…

  71. I was thinking about the GOP bigwigs, and not only must they be freaked out that Trump is now leading the parade to party rebellion, but also, the party loves to use their ‘winner’ to campaign for upcoming people that run for Congress in the future, and use that money to help pay for their campaigns.

    Think of a President Trump that funded his own campaign, when the party demands him campaigning to fill the GOP coffers, and Trump tells them to buzz-off, he’s busy.

    The GOP knows their party may be totally out of control in 2017.

  72. I wonder how Trump is planning to do this other event, how is he planning to raise the money? (because you know the media will be all over the amount raised, wanting to say it’s so low)

    People don’t have to pay to go to a rally. Will there be a charge to attend the fundraiser, or is there a different way he is planning to raise the funds – people and companies calling in to pledge money, or what?

    But I suppose even $10 a head admissions fee, if he gets his usual crowd, would raise a lot of money. Certainly the dedicated supporters would do it, maybe some of the inquisitive-and-not-yet-committed would not show up though…? Maybe Trump will offer to match whatever is raised..?

  73. OK, since both parties want to make a game out of this election…want to have some fun?
    Starting tweeting Fox and ask why Carly isn’t in the slot open by Trump since Randy Paulie SKIPPED the last debate.

    Let the games begin.

  74. In Europe and America, revolutions are brewing. They are peaceful and democratic, but they are going to send the elites home that are running our nations into the ground.


    We are witnessing America’s struggle to be America, and the struggle of several European nations, among them the Netherlands, Britain, France, Germany and many others to preserve their identity and liberty, to remain the Netherlands, Britain, France, Germany. Everywhere, patriots are on the march. We are living the Patriot Spring.

  75. In asking the question of “what’s wrong over there?” Trump has shined a spotlight on one of Washington’s best kept secrets: namely, Fox’s role via its founder Rupert Murdoch in pushing an open borders agenda.

    The Trump campaign is a direct threat to Murdoch’s efforts to open America’s borders. Well-concealed from virtually all reporting on Fox’s treatment of Trump is the fact that Murdoch is the co-chair of what is arguably one of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the Partnership for a New American Economy (PNAE).

  76. Fox News planned a Muslim attack on Trump at the debate:

    Google and Fox TV Invite Anti-Trump, Hitler-Citing, Muslim Advocate to Join Next GOP TV-Debate

    Fox News and Google have invited three YouTube personalities to ask questions at the Jan. 28 GOP debate — including a Muslim advocate who describes Donald Trump as a bigot and who visually portrayed him as being in agreement with national socialist Adolf Hitler.

    “We have a presidential candidate whose loudest message reeks of hatred and Islamophobia… turning on the news now is scary, and oftentimes, humiliating,” the Muslim woman, Nabela Noor, says in a December YouTube video. [snip]

    The two companies announced Tuesday afternoon that the anti-Trump Muslim advocate would be allowed to play a role in the debate.

    Google is teaming up with the Fox News Channel for the final Republican debate in Iowa on Thursday, January 28, 2016, and integrating three new components into the debate to help people get informed before they head to the polls, including a way to hear directly from candidates on Google; real-time Google Trends data; and questions from three of YouTube’s most prominent voices—Nabela Noor, Mark Watson, and Dulce Candy — who will join the moderators in the debate to ask the candidates a question on an issue that matters to them and their communities.

    The Republican National Committee also approved the choice of Noor, an LA.-based press aide for YouTube, Jackie Cavanagh, at MPRM Communications, told Breitbart. “I believe” she was chosen by YouTube, with help from the RNC and Fox, she said.

    In her videos, Dulce Candy, the invited Latino questioner, said she was brought from central Mexico to the United States while a young girl. She later joined the U.S. military and served in Iraq.

    It was a trap. An attractive, young illegal immigrant and an attractive young Muslim as part of the official debate schedule with the sole purpose of attacking Trump.

  77. My applause to admin
    I was a regular here in 2008. I would read here and there, but the day Trump announced I came back. Perhaps Big Pink is The Donald.
    GOD knows if Hill 16 was Hill 08 there would be no Trump. SHe is so far left. I find it hard to believe I ever believed in her.

  78. VotingHillary
    January 27, 2016 at 12:27 am
    I don’t have a pony in this race but just curious…Rand Paul bowed out of the last debate and not a peep from Fox…”The Donald” bows out and all hell breaks loose.

    Could it be Fox seeing all those ad dollars going away?
    There is that and a great deal more.

    What they are losing here is their credibility with their core audience.

    And as I have said all along, the issue here is Australian Murdock’s policy of open borders which will make him and his cronies rich and destroy the country. The problem here is he butted in where he should have stayed out of it, because Roger is a far more deft and capable buinessman, whereas Murdock threatens like a dockside bully and has less loyalty to this country than Putin.

  79. What do you can a new organization that markets itself as the conservative counterpart to liberal big media, but cannot get the leading Republican candidate to appear at the most conseque.ntial debate in the primary four days before the Iowa caucus? Chopped liver. Let them wail and gnash their teeth in the outer darkness to their hearts content, it changes nothing. They have been fired. Screwded. Booed. Tattooed. Matter of fact, Mud Rock has a tattoo on his ass than says Mee-again. What a fucking waste of protoplasm he is.

  80. Wbboei
    I was amazed that there was no backlash about no COLA. MAKES me sick. We spend billions on illegal immigrants but the boomers who toiled are screwed.

  81. foxyladi14
    January 26, 2016 at 11:42 am
    This very interesting interview was over 25 years ago
    Saying many of the same things he is saying today.

    In other words these things are not scripts prepared by his campaign.

    And they are not passing fancies–or throw away lines.

    They are strongly held convictions that we are being ripped off by the countries named.

    The fact that he has held these convictions for twenty five years

    Means that there is a high degree of probability that will pursue them as president.

  82. Wbboie
    Doesn’t the rulings on the Affordable Care Act with its mandate open up the door to require involuntary retirement savings?

  83. Capitulating to politicians’ ultimatums about a debate moderator violates all journalistic standards,
    FOX has no standards.

    Much less journalistic ones.

    Mee-again is no journalist

    Lay down thy flattering unction.

    Mee-agin is barely a talking head.

  84. No one ever posted why Donald finally broke with Fox about the debate. When he put his multiple choice yes, no poll out on Twitter and Instagram if he should do the debate, Fox put this out:

    We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president — a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings.

    THIS IS WHAT MADE DONALD ANGRY AND THIS IS WHY HE SAID HE WASN’T DOING THE DEBATE. Why should he go to the Fox debate to get abused? Fox had multiple things up their sleeve to try to take him down before the Iowa primary. Kelly retweeted what one of the guests she has on her show said. He promised after the Fox debate “everything would be different on Friday.” It was going to be a coordinated attack by Fox.

  85. Yheitman
    What else has he up his sleeve?
    He has been thinking about running for 25 years. I bet he has plans for every possible outcome and he is of very clear mind. When mk first attacked him about women he didcnot miss a beat. Right back with well Rosie.

  86. Never. I have I seen a better cut down. A more pre-emptive and canny retreat. Sometime you fight. And sometime it is just a “Nah” and walk off.

    Fox, the “conservative” elite bull shit machine owned by globalists (Davos, Soros, Murdoch, and their wannabes and hirelings) worked themselves into a hissing, spitting lather for WAR! Hakas, shield banging, Twitting, purple special editions, sneering, pep talks for suicidal rage. And nothing. The target says “Check you later alligator. I need to wash my hair. And have a party with my friends to raise money.” The timing is superb. Trump has left them with their asses hanging out.

    Strategic retreat. Don’t need a skirmish now with the doofuses. You don’t let them pick the time, place or weapons. Monday in Iowa is the battle. Cruz is the target and his debate skills was the threat. Now he doesn’t get to use them. And he doesn’t have time for a rebound in falling polls without of a debate. Lucky, lucky Trump. Fox is the patsy. Again.

  87. During the Civil War the wealthy were allowed to pay $300 to buy a substitute instead of being drafted. While that was a lot of money at that time it was cheap for your life or a missing limb. These dopes at Fox, National Review, the think tanks, etc are “substitutes” for the globalists. Not only do globalists buy their brains (I know this is of debatable value) they buy their “honor”. They are being sent out like cannon fodder to be cut down. Or ignored. I think the public knows this and are increasingly regarding the “smartest gals and guys in the room” as substitutes. If they come back missing their heads, well, them’s the breaks. Disposable and replaceable. Just like Jerry Hall.

  88. t was a trap. An attractive, young illegal immigrant and an attractive young Muslim as part of the official debate schedule with the sole purpose of attacking Trump.

    Brava!! Admin,
    There have been traps and Gotchas from the beginning,
    I have not watched fox since that first debate And will never ever!! watch them again,That was a very dirty deal they tried to pull on Trump. 👿

  89. Mormaer: This was, as you suggest, the mother of all setups. Meeagin, the photogenic illegal/muslim poised to ask mawkish questions like I no less of a human being than you are, I love America, so why do you hate me? And, of course, Meee-agin with her mug on the cover of Vanity Fair, bragging about how she scored a touchdown after asking that question about sexism. And the final straw (and justification for the walk-out, manashevitz did Murdock overplaw his hand on that one, that mawkish reference to journalism, and candidates do not get to pick the interviewed, even if she is on a vendetta.

    All this on the eve of the Iowa primary adds up to one thing:

    No, not trump. . . trap. The mother of all traps.

    So, why walk into one if you don’t have to. If you do that, it undercuts your message, that you will stand up to opponents. To walk away from it proves that what you are saying is true. In this case, the power move was to do what Donald did, rather than allowing the adversary to pick the time, the place and the choice of weapons. Napoleon was big on this: never let the enemy pick the battlefield.

  90. To the globalists:

    Foiled again.
    Skip to my Lou.
    Foiled again.
    Skip to my Lou.
    Foiled again.
    Skip to my Lou.
    Skip to my Lou, Murdock.

  91. Donald, bless his heart, is teaching us the art of negotiation.

    And one of the things he says is: “be unpredictable.”

    Murdock put all his eggs in one basket, never dreaming that Donald would give him a Miss Otis Regrets she’s unable to lunch today–with a subtle hint of fuck off.

  92. Which leaves Murdock and the rest of the fox rank and file standing there with their collective dick hanging out, all dressed up and nowhere to go. I suppose they could do a Clint Eastwood, and ask questions to an empty chair, but three hours of that to a much smaller audience may get a triffle old. Of course NYT can publish a headline on Friday on how the chair had no answer to their questions, while forgetting to mention it was unoccupied. That too is journalism, so the say.

  93. Never has a candidate been treated more unfairly by media than Hillary was in 2008 – until Trump. Like the guy or not, media bias at this level is intolerable. From the first debate when there was a conspiracy among FOX staffers and others to get him kicked off the stage until the present, the GOP with FOX’s assistance has targeted this guy – despite the fact that most GOP voters support him! I hope his lawyers find a way to sue some of these clowns. I doubt that’s possible, but the only way to really hurt media is with a financial hit.

    FOX never had much credibility to begin with imo. They have thrown away what little they had trying to get rid of Trump. Same for Megan Kelly.

  94. foxyladi14
    January 27, 2016 at 11:58 am
    No I did not.

    Which makes for the mother of all defenses, in a Republican primary.

    The subtext reads: I care about voters more than I care about these soap and deoderant salesmen, shilling for the elites.

    Make sure to send that link to Cory Lewendosky at the Trump website, who is fielding most of the incoming flack at this moment. He is Trumps campaign manager. I cannot believe they do not know this, but we should assume nothing at this point. RSVP.

  95. Mormaer: there is another war precedent that applies to this situation.

    Prior to World War II, the French army built the Maginot Line. It was impregnable because they believed it was impregnable and they believe it was impregnable because they ASSUMED they knew the path that an invading German army would have to take and those forts stood in the way. Like FOX, they bragged about this, and published pictures of their defensive system, as a deterrent to war. So naturally, they were surprised when the German Army went around those heavily armed outposts, rather than taking them on. Not too long afterwards, they were in Paris, thanks to their adverary’s predictability and their own unpredictability. Just like Trump.

  96. Specifically, Murdock assumed that the path to victory was through the debate system, and he fortified his wholly owned rampart to ensure that Trump would not pass through it, never dreaming that Trump, like Reagan would leave them in irons, talking to themselves and whoever would listen. Greta’s poll indicating that 85% of their core audience will not watch this debate suggests the suicidal potential of this benighted strategy. But when all you care about is open borders, you are inclined to miss these subtleties.

  97. Make sure to send that link to Cory Lewendosky at the Trump website, who is fielding most of the incoming flack at this moment. He is Trumps campaign manager. I cannot believe they do not know this, but we should assume nothing at this point.

  98. Fox hates losing..they have pretty much been the dominate news force (at least on cable for a decade) and Kelly is actually doing better than O’Riley with certain demographics at times. I thought she was going to be more like Great with flare, but she has proven to be a self centered, Hillary hating, self promoting, multi millionaire(I guess she is doing something right).

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