Lindsey Graham Lessons: Who Wins An @RealDonaldTrump #Trump2016 V. #Hillary2016 Race?

Update II: Clinton-Bush takes on a new meaning. Hillary is in tone and language a perfect mimic of Jeb Bush. “Trump is a bully” check. “That is not who we are” check. “Can’t insult your way to the presidency” check. All delivered in a low energy whine – just like Jeb. Bill Clinton said “Better to be strong and wrong than weak and right.” Ignore the wrong and right portion of the equation, who is strong and who is weak? Hillary, call Bill.

We’re informed, as a defense of Hillary and the bathroom business, that our last update was incorrect. We’re told that Hillary was also late to the previous debate under the same circumstances. That’s not a defense. That’s a condemnation. If this happened before, how come Hillary’s bathroom availability needs have not been tended to by her debate negotiators? Doesn’t Hillary have a private bathroom in her ready room? The debate facilities are negotiated with the hosts of the debates by the candidate staffs. Hillary’s staff did not get her a private bathroom? We think she does need a private bathroom. A private bathroom, not shared with opposition candidates or staff, is a reasonable request to be accommodated without question. A private bathroom is an entirely reasonable demand for all candidates. Republican candidates have had big fights, which made headlines, with debate hosts over their accommodations before debates. Hillary’s staff is so incompetent they did not bother to get her a private bathroom even after she allegedly encountered the same problem in a previous debate??? Color us confused.

We’re not the only ones confused. Trump is leading Hillary into a well crafted trap which we can see coming from a mile away and Hillary’s staff thinks this “War On Woman” bait is not a trap as they walk in with a smile. Oy gevalt! Below, we offer some more stocking stuffers on this Christmas Eve.

George Will regurgitates every Hillary/Jeb attack/insult against Trump that has previously failed to kabong The Donald and follows it up with another whiny lament:

It is possible Trump will not win any primary, and that by the middle of March our long national embarrassment will be over. But this avatar of unfettered government and executive authoritarianism has mesmerized a large portion of Republicans for six months. The larger portion should understand this:

One hundred and four years of history is in the balance. If Trump is the Republican nominee in 2016, there might not be a conservative party in 2020 either.

George Will must have missed that “conservative” Paul Ryan budget that just passed the Republican House and Senate which Nancy Pelosi said “gave away the store”. Intellectual George Will should call his party’s grass roots to get an understanding of reality. The dumb as a rock colleague of Will’s at the Washington Post, Jonathan Capehart, must have loosed his bow tie enough to get some blood into his brain because leftist kook Capehart kinda agrees with us:

Democrats should fear the depths of Donald Trump’s support

A word of caution to those Democrats, particularly those supporting Hillary Clinton, openly rooting for Donald Trump to win the Republican presidential nomination. Yes, his campaign has been six months of ugly, gasp-worthy rhetoric that should make the Republican Party a no-go zone for a majority of the American electorate on Election Day 2016. But folks like it. And that is reason to worry.

What if Michael Smerconish was right What if Trump’s numbers are really higher than the polls show because folks are lying to pollsters? What if a Trump vs. Clinton race isn’t a slam dunk for the latter as everyone thinks? Thanks to a study conducted by Kyle Dropp, co-founder and executive director of polling and data science at Morning Consult, we have the frightening answer. Smerconish WAS right! [snip]

The caution here is that Trump’s support is deeper than we want to admit. And if we’re really being honest, we know his support doesn’t just reside within the Republican Party. Thus, Trump’s “I really don’t give a damn” mien could prove dangerous to a Clinton campaign that prizes control.

The caution here is that Trump’s support is deeper than we want to admit. And if we’re really being honest, we know his support doesn’t just reside within the Republican Party. Thus, Trump’s “I really don’t give a damn” mien could prove dangerous to a Clinton campaign that prizes control.

Hillary is running a Jeb Bush “paint by numbers” campaign. Trump runs a “gestural abstraction” “action painting” campaign. It’s as if 2008 didn’t happen ’cause Hillary once again cannot tell friend from foe as she ignores our warnings.

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Update: Some stocking stuffers for you pre Christmas Day. First the latest Trump fever, the “schlong” controversy. Oy vey! The Washington Post went all in etymologist for that controversy. Was Trump a woman hating sexist when he said Obama “schlonged” Hillary”? Turns out Trump has used the same word in the same context before:

“I watched a popular Republican woman [Jane Corwin] not only lose but get schlonged by a Democrat [Kathy Hochul] nobody ever heard of for the congressional seat, and that was because, simply, because of the Paul Ryan plan,” Trump said at the time.

A woman “schlonging” a woman? In 2011 NPR’s Neal Conan used the same exact word in the same election context too. “Schlonged” as used in this context means “fu*ked” not “penis”. So what is Trump up to? Trump is prepping the battlefield. Trump is just beginning to remind voters, particularly African-American voters that Obama hates Hillary and Hillary hates Obama. The goal is not necessarily to win votes for Trump but to keep votes away from Hillary.

That last is a lesson Hillary2016 does not get. Hillary2016 is simply not as quick nor as canny as Trump2016. That can be seen in the other outrage, the “bathroom break” um, crack, from Trump that is the other Big Media air sucker of the day. What many see as crude we see as battlefield preparation. You can be outraged all you want and complain all you want but take a look see at what Trump is up to with the bathroom crack and see the uselessness of the Hillary2016 response. What is Trump up to?

Trump said Hillary disappeared and he thought she “quit” when she came back late to the debate stage and did not explain her absence. Trump says he thought Hillary “quit” because most see Hillary just going through the motions of a campaign and Trump gives voice to that. Trump is also doing to Hillary what he did to Jeb Bush. For the past few months Trump has been repeating the message that Hillary does not have the “stamina” to be president. That’s a rerun attack of the successful anti-Jeb “no energy” tactic that effectively destroyed Jeb Bush. “No energy” becomes “no stamina” becomes “I thought she quit” bathroom crack. Hillary’s limpy retort, “We shouldn’t let anybody bully his way into the presidency because that is not who we are as Americans”, is eerily similar to Jeb Bush’s whine from the last debate “You can’t insult your way to the presidency.” Oh, really????



Fact is what happened at the debate was very odd. We’ve never seen a candidate missing from a major debate after a commercial break and then reemerge with zero explanation. Lesson for Hillary2016: don’t let something go unexplained that people are thinking about because Donald Trump will express the unexpressed thought of voters/viewers. Hillary could have come back to the stage and said something like “why are there never enough women bathrooms?” and millions of women would have understood. Hillary could have said “it takes us longer guys – we don’t just zip and split” to laughs of understanding. Instead there was silence and Trump filled the silence most memorably.

Trump is prepping the battlefield and Hillary2016 is so inept the only response is a silly response about sexism instead of realizing the danger Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Jindal, Perry, Graham refused to see until the Trump truck ran over them. This is a Trump threefer. One, Trump hits back against Hillary false attacks against him at the debate. Two, Trump gets to campaign against Cruz and the other Republicans by ignoring them and hitting Hillary instead. Three, Trump once again grabs all the news and suffocates his opposition. Bonus for Trump is to force Hillary to campaign on the stump where she is liable to make mistakes, not at staged events.

Is any of this working for Trump? Yeah, it does work wonders for Trump:

Now, after spending weeks largely out of the spotlight, Clinton plans to intensify her campaign schedule from an almost incumbent-style effort to a more aggressive, first-timer approach.

Trump now has his Christmas gift: a one-on-one fight with the opposition candidate which separates him from the rest of the failing pack. Result? New CNN national poll: Trump up 21 points over Cruz at 39%. Reuters has Trump at 37% with Carson and Cruz at 11%. More good news for Trump? Yeah,

The latest GOP debate edged out NFL football and beat everything else to score as last week’s most-watched prime-time program, leaving Democrats and even Adele in the dust.

The Republican presidential faceoff (the party’s fifth, this time from Las Vegas on Dec. 15) drew 18.17 million viewers to CNN, according to the Nielsen ratings company.

Sunday’s NFL game between Arizona and Philadelphia, aired on NBC, was the week’s runner-up with 18.11 million viewers.

It’s not just Hillary that helps Trump:

Beltway-insider publications Politico and The Hill are hiding House Speaker Rep. Paul Ryan’s 2016’s disastrous report card, even days after the Dec. 18 passage of his $1.1-plus trillion 2016 spending-and-tax plan.

Ryan and his top aides “really gave away the store,” Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi declared Dec. 18. Her report-card phrase — “they really gave away the store” — doesn’t appear in Politico or TheHill, even by Dec. 22.

Trump will be able to insult his way to the presidency as long as his opposition is so incompetent they prove worthy of the insults.

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Lindsey Graham said two smart things today. First, ‘I quit’ – he got out of the nomination race. Second Lindsey Graham said this:

This is an election for the heart and soul of the Republican Party,” Graham said later on. “This is no longer about 2016. This is about who are we as a party, where do we want to go, and where do we take the country.”

In his farewell Graham tried to cheer himself up with excuses about why his departure was necessary. Graham came up with excuses which failed to bring up the the man who defeated him, trounced him: Donald J. Trump.

Graham’s excuses were “What’s happened here is sort of my lane of the party has collapsed” and “At the end of the day, I’m not going to be competitive in my state if I’m not competitive outside my state” as well as “I would be competitive in South Carolina, but I’ve got to show traction outside the state.” Garbage. Donald Trump crushed Graham in every poll taken in South Carolina. It’s not “what” it is a “who” that forced Lindsey Graham from the presidential race. This entire Graham collapse is a lesson for Hillary Clinton and Hillary2016.

Donald J. Trump squashed Lindsey because Donald Trump is destroying the Republican Party and reshaping it. Graham is incorrect to say 2016 is not the issue. But Graham is right when he said “This is about who are we as a party, where do we want to go, and where do we take the country.” What Lindsey Graham and Hillary Clinton don’t understand is that this 2016 presidential race is about where Donald Trump wants the country to go and where the parties, once the nominees are chosen, want to take the country.

We’ve explained that Donald Trump destroys the Republican Party because Barack Obama destroyed the Democratic Party and that has led to a reshuffled deck and new coalitions, new alliances. The result is that at this moment Donald Trump is winning his hostile takeover of the Republican Party and that increasingly likely successful hostile takeover has caused the power brokers in the Republican Party to do everything in their power to destroy Donald Trump and keep their control of the Republican Party.

The old Republican Party power brokers have failed, thus far, to stop Donald J. Trump for the very reason that Hillary2016 will likely fail to beat Trump2016. A Donald Trump hater explains a bit of what we wrote months ago:

My guess is that if you asked the Pajama Boys in Brooklyn who they want to face next year, the unanimous verdict would be: Trump. He’s down to Clinton by a full 6 points in early polling. He’s undisciplined. He’s a bully. He has no experience running campaign organizations or understanding of the mechanics of electioneering at any level, let alone the national level. He seems, on the face of things, to have a seriously limited ceiling on his support. If I were Clinton, I’d probably want to run against Trump, too.

Except for one thing: If Donald Trump is the nominee, then it means that the deck of American politics has been completely reshuffled-that the political landscape is nothing like what it was four years ago. It will mean that the old laws of politics have been suspended, or warped, or maybe even truly changed. And it will mean that Clinton, who is entirely a creature of the established political order, will be operating in this new world without either a flashlight or a map.

And if I were Clinton, I would not find this prospect all that appealing, either.

Jeb Bush attacks Donald Trump as the “chaos candidate” but what JeBush does not understand – THAT IS A COMPLIMENT. Smart Trump hater Matthew Continetti understands what Trump means to the power structure and begins to unfurl the white flag of surrender:

The Party Divides

The speed with which prominent Republican officials and conservative spokesmen condemned Donald Trump’s proposal to ban Muslims from entering the United States revealed the true stakes in the 2016 election. The future of the GOP as we know it is in question—not the party’s political future but its ideological one. Donald Trump’s candidacy is already intensifying party divisions. Nominating him would alter the character of the Republican Party in a fundamental way.

GOP voters understand this possibility. [snip]

Trump may not even need a majority of traditional Republican voters to win. His unusual candidacy could bring in voters new to the party or even to the political process. Whether Trump wins or loses a general election against Hillary Clinton is less important in this analysis than the effect his nomination would have on the composition and philosophy of the Republican Party. That effect would be profound.

Political parties are not static. They are born, they grow and change, they shrink and die. There is no Mosaic commandment stipulating that a party must hold to one platform over another, no natural law governing the ideology to which the party subscribes. A party is a reflection of its membership. And when the identities or character of that membership is altered, the party is too. The clearest sign that such a transformation has occurred is in the selection of a party’s nominee. [snip]

The Democratic Party was once the party of the white working class—of trade unionists, Catholics, Cold War hawks. [snip]

It’s possible we are at the beginning of another political recalibration based on national identity. [snip]

The tendency in Washington is not to take Donald Trump seriously. To describe him as a clown, as someone who will drop out, as someone whose beliefs are non-ideological. I believe that to dismiss him is a mistake. [snip]

So atypical is Donald Trump’s profile that it is impossible to say where the party will find itself when caucuses are held in Iowa on February 1. It is very possible, even likely, that the party will reject him and retain its identity as the party of Reagan and Bush. But the 2016 election has been, to say the least, unusual. And the crises of international order and domestic governance that give Trump strength are real.

Homegrown terrorism, demographic panic, racial tension, income stagnation, and Trump’s persona may catalyze a political realignment along the lines we have seen before in our politics and see currently in Europe’s. Have conservatives and Republicans thought through what would happen next? What choices we might have to make? Or are we too afraid to acknowledge the possibility that the movement and party to which we belong is no longer our own?

Remove that last question mark. Continetti wrote that article ten days ago before Lindsey Graham changed the question mark to an exclamation point. The Republican Party has already been changed by Donald Trump. Trump has already won that fight.

Trump has already changed the Republican Party. Mullah Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell the turtle still control the official levers of power in the Republican Party. But as can be seen in every debate and in every campaign appearance by every candidate, Donald Trump is imitated by every candidate and his positions have forced every candidate to at least try to pretend they are on the same track as Trump.

Lindsey Graham thought he would beat Trump’s brains out:

Lindsey Graham Says He Will Beat Trump’s Brains Out

Lindsey Graham had some violent words for Donald Trump Tuesday, saying, “come to South Carolina and I’ll beat his brains out.” [snip]

Graham: I won 56 percent of my primary against six opponents. [snip] Come to South Carolina and I’ll beat his brains out. I know my state. This is a silly season in politics. To say that you’re going to go to Iraq and Syria and take their oil and use it for our benefit as a way to destroy ISIL is insanely dangerous. you’re going to turn everybody into the Middle East against America if you do that, you won’t destroy ISIL. That will be his undoing.

That was Graham less than 4 months ago. Now Trump has bashed Graham’s brains out.

In Brooklyn there are a bunch of losers who think a victory over Donald Trump will be easy pickings. We refer these losers to Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, etc. etc. and Jeb Bush.

Hillary2016 is very well positioned to beat the brains out of… Jeb Bush. If Jeb Bush is the nominee Hillary Clinton can go on an eight month vacation next year and still win. If Marco Rubio is the nominee, Hillary can take a seven month vacation. Ted Cruz as the nominee, Hillary’s vacation is cut down further but her victory is almost assured. But against Donald Trump?

Against Donald Trump the Brooklyn Hillary headquarters will resemble the Bastille on July 14, 1789. With a Trump nomination, forces will be unleashed that will have party princes hanging from lampposts on Court Street and along the Brooklyn Heights. Republican leaders will be politically guillotined on K Street in the District. As Lindsey Graham and Jeb Bush have learned, those who ignore the present will soon become the past.

[Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton is the worst Secretary of State ever. Hillary sees the power of this line of attack and she began her defense at the last debate. Before the end of the year we address this line of attack and make our assessment.]

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186 thoughts on “Lindsey Graham Lessons: Who Wins An @RealDonaldTrump #Trump2016 V. #Hillary2016 Race?

  1. Doubled over with laughter here, admin, for seeing Trump educate George.

    This newer development only adds to the merriment:
    Republicans blast Kerry for suggesting Iran could skirt new visa rules
    Republicans on Monday blasted Secretary of State John Kerry for suggesting in a letter to his Iranian counterpart that the administration could help the country get around new visa restrictions passed by Congress.
    “Instead of bending over backwards to try to placate the Iranian regime, the White House needs to be holding it accountable for its recent missile tests, its continued support for terrorism, and its wrongful imprisonment of Americans,” House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce, R-Calif., said in a statement to FoxNews.com.
    snip
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/21/republicans-blast-kerry-for-suggesting-iran-could-skirt-new-visa-rules.html

    [it will add another 5 or 10 minutes next time Donald chats with the greek.]
    ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺

  2. So the globalists will have us terrorized until we give up all our freedoms and put them in charge:

    272 Islamic State Terrorists Are Hiding In Europe, 150 More Are On Their Way, Dagbladet Reports

    It has been over a month since the November 13 Paris terrorist suicide bombings and mass shootings and the subsequent warzone-like shutdown of Brussels, and Europe was just starting to emerge from its terrorized shell.

    However, for a continent which wants to “use global issues as excuses to extend its power”, issues such as terrorism in the words of the infamous 2008 AIG presentation, which serve as an “excuse for greater control over police and judicial issues; increase extent of surveillance” a return to normalcy is unacceptable.

    And since fear of the unknown must constant by stoked in order to justify any government intervention in personal privacy and public affairs, Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that two waves of Islamic State terrorists are said to have been trained for terror attacks in Europe – either for suicide bombings, or for Paris-style handgun attacks.

    According to the paper, the first wave is said to already have travelled to Europe. The cell was trained for attacks in Europe and originally consisted of 300 fighters. 28 of the 300 have lost their lives in Syria – in bombings, firefights, or from other causes. Dagbladet is told that the remaining 272 fighters have travelled to Europe. The sleeper cell is said to be instructed to lay low. Dagbladet is aware that other sources have another estimate of the number of IS terrorists in Europe. This estimate is below 100.

    The second wave is still with the terror group in Syria – after having received training in a militant camp between Sinjar and Mosul in Iraq. The inbound cell consists of 150 fighters who are still in Syria. They are said to have had training in a militant camp between Sinjar and Mosul in Iraq. 112 of the 150 have completed their training. Approximately two weeks ago several of the 112 travelled from the militant camp, to the IS controlled city of Deir el Zour in Syria. Dagbladet is told the fighters travelled to Syria using a total of 11 cars.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-21/272-islamic-state-terrorists-are-hiding-europe-150-more-are-their-way-dagbladet-repo

  3. S – I LOVE Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she has a bunch of books. I would love to be able to speak as knowledgable and well as she does!

    It IS quite odd that the party of women doesn’t want to call out Islam. Quite strange, indeed.

  4. Just my opinion, but I thought Hillary did go too far suggesting Trump is in recruiting videos. That type of statement is as inflammatory as Trumps ban on all Muslims entering the US. Hillary is basically blaming Trump should g-d forbade there is another terror attack.Obama is saying the same thing.

  5. Jones,
    I don’t think it’s inflammatory asking, or shall I say demanding a band on Muslims.
    We are at war with Islam, and the sooner we accept that fact, the sooner we will be able to protect out citizens.
    They will choose Islam over America…always, no matter how perverted their caliphate is.

  6. I agree in terms of banning all refugees who cannot be vetted properly. The problem , however, is that we really never faced a situation where many in a immigrant class do not want to be assimilated into western culture. So while Irish, Germans, Italians, Poles & Jews, all kept their faith and traditions when coming to America in the early 20th century and lived in their on enclaves, they became Americans and they and their future generations embraced American values and law. Can this particular group, in large numbers, do the same?

  7. Past generations (basically European) came here because they wanted to be American, wanted to contribute.

    Now people seem to come because they want something from us. And all the emphasis on multiculturalism now instead of the melting pot, only increases the chances that these people will never assimilate. And there are also stats on what happens when many people of an ethnicity come into a country at once – as their numbers rise, assimilation goes down.

  8. gonzotx
    December 21, 2015 at 10:08 pm
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    That’s just a preview of how Trump will treat Hillary once they are in a debate together. Admin has said that he should probably save his gunfire for Obama, but since she has chosen to still be Obama’s puppet, then she will be fair game for him.

  9. Admin: I am going to have coffee with one of the charter members of the Republican establishment. His great grandfather was a confidante of President Taft. His own roots are with Rockefeller and Chase Bank. He left the party when they nominated Palin. Now I expect to get an ear full about Trump. My question to him will be which would you rather have Trump or Palin. Because if Trump is defeated, the base will go for someone who does not understand banking and then where will you be. Trump will not destroy the Republican Party–he will merely chase a few money changers from the temple, whereas if he loses, then apres le deluge the elites will face a much more uncooperative successor. If they were smarter than I think they are, then they would find a way to work with him—-and tell the fat cats that are robbing the middle class blind to go pound sand. Experience however suggests that they will have to learn the hard way, and in that case, they–not Trump may turn out to be the ones who destroy the party.

  10. Yes. It is mighty interesting. Boy George looks like an old man. His gotchas fall flat. Trump pulverizes them. I got a Christmas card from Trump, which says make america great again. Nice touch. Nothing from Hillary. Her people must be on to me. Or else the elf who sends them out is on strike.

  11. Trump rolled over Step and Fetch it. Trump talked for 95% of the time, refused to play George’s little game, ridiculed him and kept him off balance. It is very difficult to conduct a scripted Q&A which is all by George is good for, when your witness turns your questions around on you, throws out all kinds of new issues, suggests you do not know what you are talking about. This is not what big media moguls like this douchebag George is used to. George has the face of a baby and the skin of an old man. He is creepy, like that 1950s British science fiction movie children of the damned.

  12. Wbbs

    I have been getting spam emails for Hillary, multiple times a day. Probably because I am still a registered D. In CA, I can vote for any party so no need to change.

  13. Graham is the death rattle of the old Republican Neo-con McCain dumb-ass strain of Republicanism. They lost in 2008. They have been loosing primaries and not replacing themselves in Congress. SC got a good look at him this cycle and I doubt he will run again for the Senate because they don’t like what they see after the curtain was pulled back. The robber baron northeast school of Bushes is similarly out of gas. Old Rove was on television last night (with his whiteboard) and he seemed somewhat hysterical.

    Cause and effect. These are the most ineffective, crooked, stupid, useless Republicans. I am more and more convinced that Obama hit a streak with only idiots in fake opposition. They were ripe for a hostile takeover. They enabled him.

    In 2007-2008 when Obama, Jarrett, various scum in the Senate, Brazile, et al “threw out” like so much garbage any and everyone who wasn’t part of their new coalition of elites and the underclass, some of us (me!) thought it would remake the Republican party. I thought it would take 20 years. Maybe longer. And the Democrats would become a regional party slowly mostly on the coasts and the northeast. Then the Tea Party which was beaten back by media and elites but a lot of lessons were learned. Then old Dem stalwarts lost their seats in 2010 and 2012 and again in 2014. While a minority they Democrats were going further and further left. The kleptocrat Republicans were not going to lose their chance to take whatever wasn’t nailed down instead of building a moderate, expanding party to counter a shrinking, radicalizing, tenuous Democratic one. No one ever has accused them ever of being smart.

    Various public thinkers and two bit writers will start calling it the realignment of 2016 or some such minimizing term. It has been going on since 2008 but they were too enamored of the scourge of Chicago to notice. Entire regions have no Democrats in public office except for a few incompetent mayors here and there. The Dems in 2008 told 40-50% of their voters to get out or get with the program. Behavior varied. Some did and many didn’t. Where did they think they would go?

    Political behavior doesn’t just change like a light-switch. It is gradual or in fits and starts. The first clue should have been the huge number of “Independent” voters who didn’t like either party. The next clue was Republicans winning marginal Congressional seats to whip saw the old Obama-cavers out. Next was the abysmal approval ratings of a very unpopular president.

    They act like Trump came out of nowhere. He didn’t. This is a very logical progression of the process set in motion by Democrats in the 2007-2008 purge. Trump often sounds like the DLC of the 90’s and Blue Dogs AND blends in small town Midwest Republicanism. You have extreme progressivism on the one end coming to the end of its loony Puritan life cycle in the US (and Europe! Yikes!) and the puttering out of a extreme globalist crowd pretending to be militarists and super-patriots. Still pushing the left-right narrative it is becoming obvious that it is two fringes are against a diverse and very politically “impure” middle who both extremes hate and dehumanize.

  14. There was an article yesterday that said the pollsters are having difficulty polling Trump and by default the other clowns (and sadly Hillary) too. I’m too lazy to look it up. After about 8 years of screaming “racist!”, Nazi!, and various other insults, they wonder why people won’t tell them jack shit in polls. Why won’t you talk to me after I called you a subhuman and give me your innermost thoughts? The very imperfect little study they ran said Trump ran about 6 points ahead in non-people talking polls compared to people manned phone polls. No mention of people like me who will NOT poll at all. In effect they are saying that the well is so poisoned they have no clue what the polls would say if people would talk to them nor if they would be honest. While they threw out a 6% difference the very premise of the study shows that is probably wrong too. The UK saw this little phenomena in the spring elections with people saying whatever they thought was necessary to get rid of these hectoring, know it all asses collecting data for money and then go vote however they wanted. How can they manipulate the electorate if they don’t know what is going on? They are basically fucked.

  15. “Donald J. Trump squashed Lindsey because Donald Trump is destroying the Republican Party and reshaping it.”

    The hostile takeover is humming along nicely. One of the indicators of success is how cheap you can do it. The Donald wins that one hands down. The psychological barrier is last and Graham is hinting at it but isn’t there yet. Adelson of Las Vegas making nice with Trump is another signal that it is coming to a big sigh of calling “uncle”. The enormous opportunities of turning it into a super-party haven’t sunk in. Tittering ninnies suggesting !Jeb run as a third party elite freak candidate are the last hurrah of the royalist branch of the legacy Republicans (this includes Mittens of La Mancha). All that money could not buy Jeb the White House. Cruz is running as The Apprentice VP. Carson and Fiorina as television savants. Christie as kick ass, off to the can you go Attorney General or maybe HHS guy, !Jeb as ambassador at large to Hispania, Kasich as Postmaster General, Paul to Neptune, Rubio as Realtor of the Year in Miami, and the rest can all go away. The butt hurt is going to be epic. They can go form the Sons of Ronald Reagan Club.

  16. “”Even a race to Obama, she was gonna beat Obama. I don’t know who would be worse, I don’t know, how could it be worse? But she was going to beat — she was favored to win — and she got schlonged, she lost, I mean she lost,” Trump said.
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-disgusting/

    Yep. Obama sure did. He screwed Hillary over. And the Democratic Party did also. Now Trump is framing that she is a loser but that is the point past the resentment, humiliation and getting tossed from the party. But the Dem party screwed her over first and then threw out her supporters which she went along with to a degree. This a persuasion device to appeal to her voters. The media and Dems will try to spin it but it is clearly an appeal to Clintonites tossed by the wayside. Crude, rude, and direct. He is now moving past Republicans, independents into the old Democratic party.

  17. @Mormaer, I remember admin saying the Republicans should talk about what the Dems (include the media here) did to Hillary and how they screwed her but that never happened until now!

  18. Mormaer, I don’t think this is all Trump, a one man show. I mean he must have something going on behind the scenes. Who are they? The progression is too good to be true for just one non politician thinking up he will run for president.

  19. @Mormaer: They act like Trump came out of nowhere. He didn’t. This is a very logical progression of the process set in motion by Democrats in the 2007-2008 purge. Trump often sounds like the DLC of the 90’s and Blue Dogs AND blends in small town Midwest Republicanism.

    Aha.. should have read this comment first. I agree. But I still think Trump has something going on behind the scenes, people… and who are they?

  20. I will answer my own question. Who are they? Bill Clinton. The way Hillary is running the campaign, it screams, ‘screw this whole thing!’ and of course, her running prevents another Dem from rising (and stealing the election).

  21. I think Trump should expand on his Muslim comments and clarify. Personally, I think the US should ban Sharia law as it advocates overturning our constitution and violates basic human rights and civil liberties. We should ban mosques that advocate sharia law. I would also ban Burkas or any other kind of full face covering from any “religious ” protections in public places such as airports, planes, busses, hotels, etc. You should not be allowed to get a drivers license without showing your face for identification purposes. Extremists who don’t like our customs do not have to come here. I would not do what our female reporters do when these visit places like iran and they cover their heads with what we call here in New York…”Schmatas”. I would just not go.
    It is unbelievable that we have had our own freedoms in travelling with ease so restricted by these jerks.

  22. Go Trump!

    No way I will vote for Hillary at this point. I can’t even stand listening to her anymore.

  23. I was the first one here or anywhere else to predict the beak up of the Republican Party. Now that is the truth. So today, when Matt Whateverthefuck his name is reaches the same conclusion six years later, I am not impressed. After McCain and 2010 and Romney and 2014 it was obvious. Mississippi was also a big tell, where the establishment jumped the shark. But my crystal ball was not perfect. I felt the move would come from a third party movement which never materialized, even as the gap between the elites and the base became wider and wider, and the vile treachery of big media became so obvious that a blind man in a dark cave could scarcely miss it, save those whose undying love for Obama is based on either the purple prose of some cheap romance novel, or an anti American agenda or low IQ identity politics, which never bothers to ask yes I know the engineer is black, but one minor question, just where the fuck is this train headed because that is what I will live or die with. Admin saw Trump as the catalyst, before anyone did, and that was the deepest insight of all. If you want a PHD in politics and cannot afford the education, simply read admins blogs over the past eight years and you will have what you are looking for.

  24. Like I said previously, what is going on here is Trump is reaching out to parts of the Republican establishment and giving them assurances that he will not burn the village to save it, and color me naive but I happen to believe they will give him the benefit of the doubt. Hence, the screaming and wailing and nashing of teeth you hear now, is the political class, including big media, and all their hangers on in a state of panic that they and their children will be thrown off their gravy train. This is after all royalty we are talking about, albeit an uber corrupt royalty, and nobility of this sort is passed along through the generations, and incest. Look at the big media superstars we see today. Most of them are the sons and daughters of establishment figures. Most of them are the flotsam and jetsome of the Ivy League. Those are the jackals we are hearing from now. And the question they are asking each other over brandy, cigars and herbal tea is the masses are in revolt, what will become of the beautiful people–like us.

  25. gonzotx
    December 22, 2015 at 9:58 am
    Wbb,

    Your sounding like Rush…He always says he was the “first”…lol
    ——-
    And in some cases he was.

    But my madness is on a smaller scale.

    And it gives credit to others where credit is due.

    And my motive is not self aggrandisment.

    It is simply to point out how stupid most people are in failing to realize our future is being hijacked now in some dark alley, but in plain view.

  26. pm317
    December 22, 2015 at 9:10 am

    That was because they were part of it and/or fine with it. Now they see themselves being replaced and outnumbered by Indies, unionists, old Blue Dogs and ex-DLC’ers and they are freaked! I remember griping to some Republicans after the Texas caucus cheating and they thought it was funny. I said we’ll fix you and take over your G-D shit Republican party. I did not know it would go national. Republicans are idiots and the party will be much better off run by old moderate Dems. LOL.

  27. wbboei
    December 22, 2015 at 9:59 am

    Trump is at odds with Bush-ites who are inside dealers, Rove, the parasite class of government, thieves, etc. Also the nutty neocons I think who are destructive like Cheney. The rest just need to get with the program. The legacy class is very nervous as they should be.

  28. Mormaer
    December 22, 2015 at 10:43 am
    wbboei
    December 22, 2015 at 9:59 am

    Trump is at odds with Bush-ites who are inside dealers, Rove, the parasite class of government, thieves, etc. Also the nutty neocons I think who are destructive like Cheney. The rest just need to get with the program. The legacy class is very nervous as they should be.
    —————–
    Apparently, Kristol who was Dan Quales but boy, ergo a member of the corrupt Bush cabal is threatening to start a third party consisting of RINOS if Trump is the nominee. It is too late for that. But the RINOs will clearly do whatever they can to preserve their perks, including throwing their corrupt support to Hillary as she marches in lock step with Obama toward the destruction of our future. But that will not save them, because they do not have voters behind them. More importantly however, what have they got to offer the country? Not a goddamned thing, and everyone by now knows it. Their failure to take on Obama when voters gave them everything they asked for in 2010 and 2014 is their death knell, but even now they fail to realize their terrible mistake. If money alone would elect them they would still be viable, but who in their right mind would support their policies, or trust them to do what they say? Only a fool. Their world is vanishing before their eyes.

  29. Trump has two main avenues of attack on Hillary. The first is to question her competency and accomplishments as Secretary of State. An example is his recent post on Facebook: “Hillary said with respect to ISIS, “we are finally where we need to be.” Do we want 4 more years of incompetent leadership? MAGA!” He will point to the mess in Libya, Iran and Syria, the rise of ISIS, the lack of response to calls for help by the US ambassador during the attack in Benghazi and lay the blame squarely on her shoulders.

    The second is the question of trust. He is already calling her a liar and confabulator on everything she says, and her recent statement about ISIS using him in their recruitment videos, which were exposed as untrue, don’t help her at all. He will emphasize to voters that she is a politician and he is not and pose the question who is more trustworthy.

  30. Muslims more afraid of the US government than of ISIS, won’t let their children watch the Republican debate, go to bed every night, wake up every morning obsessing over these subjective MICROAGGRESSIONS.

    Go fuck yourself Luntz, you fat fuck.

    If you want to interview somebody, go interview the Christians who are being slaughtered by ISIS in the middle east and the Christians here in this country who are the targets of the Obama Adminstration. THEY are the ones who have reason to be afraid of their government. Not these infidels.

  31. If I were to say Hillary lied, the response would be every politician lies. And, Trump lies. That would be the response. Are what Trump says and what Hillary says really the same?

    Everything Trump has said, offensive though it may be to the political elite, has an element of truth to it which the political class are determined to ignore because it conflicts with the narrative which keeps them in power. So they huff and they puff, and instead of producing the result they hope for, reality intervenes, validates what he says and public opinion swings decidedly against them. That is not lying.

    Hillary on the other hand will never seriously challenge the power of the elites. What she does is invent things that never happened. Like being named for Sir Edmond Hillary who climbed Mount Everest seven years after she was born, or landing in Bosnia under sniper fire when in reality they rolled out the red carpet and a little girl presented flowers to her, and now this latest claim that ISIS is circulating videos of Trump which is a total fabrication, which invites hard questions about the policies she has pursued which have in fact aided and abetted ISIS.

    Exaggeration is a form of lying. And politicians can be forgiven for this because it comes with the territory, and nuanced answers are not what the public wants to hear. BUT INVENTING THINGS that never happened, that sort of lie crosses the Rubicon, and to do this repeatedly raises serious questions on whether it is safe, prudent and sensible to entrust the vast powers of government to someone with those predilections. The counter example of Obama is all the proof you need to know that is a mistake.

  32. wbboei
    December 22, 2015 at 11:57 am
    If I were to say Hillary lied, the response would be every politician lies. And, Trump lies. That would be the response. Are what Trump says and what Hillary says really the same?
    —————————————————————
    Trump is already emphasizing to voters that he is not a politician and not part of the political establishment. To voters who already associate politicians as liars and find Trump’s outspokenness and lack of political correctness refreshing, they make the simple decision in their minds that he tells the truth and Hillary doesn’t. His supporters already see him saying the same things that they discuss among themselves with close friends and family. That is already why he is doing so well against other GOP candidate wannabes.

  33. wbboei
    December 22, 2015 at 11:38 am
    Muslims more afraid of the US government than of ISIS, won’t let their children watch the Republican debate, go to bed every night, wake up every morning obsessing over these subjective MICROAGGRESSIONS.
    ——————————————————————————
    This is the whole Facebook/Twitter narcissistic mentality of wanting other people to like you and be friends and getting upset when they don’t, which seems to infiltrate the minds of foreign policy makers. Honestly, why should we even care what Muslims in other countries think of us? Screw them, they either work with us as allies or they are the enemy and should be treated as such.

  34. This false moral equivalency is one tactic which is often deployed by the left. But in the real world, there is a quantitative and qualitative difference between a felony and a misdemeanor, a breach of decorum and a civil war, which is too often lost on an electorate which is too dumb to spit. Part of it however is the media which supports these false moral equivalencies wherever they serve to preserve the perks and powers of the establishment. Around the castle they occupy there is a wide mote of lies, political correctness and censorship. These weapons are fully deployed when the public reacts to their pouring molten fire down on their heads. When the end game is to keep the elites in power and to fuck the public I have a problem with it. It is astonishing to me that so many people play along wittingly or unwittingly, mostly I suspect the latter.

  35. pm317 and Lorac

    …that example pm317 gave of Brandeis cancelling the opportunity for Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s to speak openly and honestly from a woman’s POV on Islam and the need for it to change and leave the past and join into the 21st century…are a perfect example of why I am so disgusted and disillusioned with the O Democratic Party and the left…

    why should anyone make not hurting muslims’ feelings, particularly radical muslims, a priority when honest muslims are coming forward to speak their truth…

    WHY? are the Democrats, O, and Hillary so concerned about the possibility of hurting radicals and using the illogical argument that it helps their recruiting to hear bad things said about them…too bad, does it not occur to Hillary and the Dems that by the Islamic radicals intimadating us all into silence that they are, in effect, winning….what really are O and Hillary so afraid of? the truth!

    this argument comes from a complete point of weakness…in effect, this reasoning insults muslims…in the 21st century, if there are many peace loving muslims, as the Dems keep saying and I agree with, then they are completely aware and capable of understanding that attacks are meant for the radicals that are acting like barbarians and killing innocent people, including other muslims…

    (should all catholics go out and kill people because they are not capable of hearing about pedifile priests)

    “peaceful” muslims are completely capable of controlling their impulses to reject Isis, rather than go join with them because they hear people calling out their atrocious violent behavior…

    if, on the other hand, we are speaking of violent, evil people bent on any excuse to kill, destroy, control and spread their chosen caliphate…then we are talking about something completely different than peaceful, rational muslims going about their daily lives…and no one should be afraid to speak out against what we can all see to be true….

    everytime I hear Hillary or anyone else use this stupid “recruiter” arguement all I really hear is the Democratic party trying to censor and shut people up who do not agree with them…

    More power to Ayaan…she should be celebrated because of her choices, freedom and efforts to communicate with the world…not silenced…

  36. There is one very smart sentence in this article written by a Trump hater:

    http://spectator.org/articles/65011/trump-spells-trouble-clinton

    Trump Spells Trouble for Clinton

    He’s now in a position to weaken her well before the general.

    If recent polls from more than half a dozen reputable polling organizations are to be believed, of the six leading Republican candidates for president Donald Trump is the one least likely to defeat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election.

    Polling can be and has often been wrong, sometimes spectacularly so, but Trump’s electability gap has been a consistent feature of his primary campaign as a fire-breathing self-funding willing-to-say-anything non-politician politician.

    However, even if you believe (as I do) the conventional wisdom that Hillary Clinton is “clearly itching to run against Mr. Trump,” he nevertheless poses a substantial threat to her presidential aspirations in advance of November’s elections.

    The Donald has a remarkable ability to break through conventional restrictions on acceptable political conversation and to make people think about issues in ways opponents call “extreme” but which resonate among much of the American public. Beyond his base, he is having this effect, whether for good or for ill, on millions of Americans who would not consider voting for Mr. Trump in a general election.

    It’s not so much that Donald Trump breaks new ground in his pronouncements; rather he amplifies what many are already thinking even if in some cases, such as his persistent denigration of free trade as “America losing” or the suggestion that most Mexican illegal aliens are dangerous criminals, the Trump base and their brash human amplifier are wrong.

    When Trump wonders aloud about American weakness overseas, about America not being respected anymore by world leaders, and about the wisdom of allowing thousands of unvettable Syrian Muslims into the country, he is putting words to worries that nag at millions of Americans including many outside of his base and outside of the Republican Party. Indeed, any rational voter — which is to say anyone who does not think that President Obama is doing a good job — should be concerned about these issues.

    A large part of Trump’s appeal is his willingness to say things that other politicians won’t say. In that willingness he comes across to many, especially the lightly informed, as a noble truth-teller. And even for those who would not vote for an arrogant often-wrong blowhard, Trump nevertheless plants in their minds toxic seeds that have roughly the same effect on his opponents’ favorability ratings that Roundup has on the weeds in your lawn.

    He’s done it to Jeb Bush, he’s done it to Ben Carson, he did it early on to Rick Perry and then to Scott Walker — feats that he isn’t shy to remind us about. And now his aim has turned toward Hillary Clinton. Unless she is some sort of GMP (Genetically Modified Politician) who is immune to political Roundup, she should be very worried.

    In Saturday’s Democratic presidential debate (the timing says a lot about whether the DNC actually wants anybody watching), Hillary Clinton claimed that Donald Trump “is becoming ISIS’s best recruiter” and that “they are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.”

    Even the liberal-leaning Politifact.com rated Clinton’s claim as false, concluding that “Clinton has turned speculative left-of-center rhetoric into fact” and that “evidence does not exist” to support her slanderous accusation.

    As NBC’s Chuck Todd put it on Sunday, “no fact checker has been able to back up her claim on that.”

    Trump often says that he rarely hits first, that instead he is a “counter-puncher.” And so the counter-punching against Hillary Clinton begins.

    During a Monday morning telephone interview on NBC’s Today show, Trump took a big swing: “I will demand an apology from Hillary.…She lies about e-mails. She lies about Whitewater. She lies about everything. She will be a disaster as president of the United States.” (On Monday, a Clinton spokesman said “Hell, no” when asked whether Hillary would be offering an apology.)

    This follows a similar Trump conversation with Todd on Meet the Press: “It’s just another Hillary lie. She lies like crazy about everything. Whether it’s trips where she was being gunned down in a helicopter or an airplane, she’s a liar and everybody knows that.”

    And, in typical Trump style, he got personal, referring to Hillary Clinton’s returning late from a break in the debate and walking across the stage while cameras were rolling: “Hillary’s not strong. Hillary’s weak, frankly. She’s got no stamina. She’s got nothing.” Chuck Todd tried to interject with “Let me stop you there” but Trump continued: “She couldn’t even get back on the stage. Nobody even knows what happened to her. It’s like she went off and went (unintelligible).”

    Todd asked incredulously, “Why do you keep going with this?” Trump stayed on message: “Because we need a president with great strength and great stamina. And Hillary doesn’t have that.”

    The Boston Globe reports that Mrs. Clinton was probably late because she refused to use a stall in a university bathroom while someone else — who happened to be a female staffer for former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley — was using another stall. How about that for haughtiness?

    On Monday night in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Trump said he didn’t want to talk about why Hillary was late to the stage because it was “too disgusting.” The implication of the comment makes me wonder, yet again, why there are any women would even briefly consider supporting this schoolyard bully.

    Still, it’s a tactic that has worked well for Trump in the past: When in mid-August he began painting former front-runner Jeb Bush as “low-energy,” Bush’s poll numbers cratered. And although Trump had surpassed Bush’s polling numbers prior to attacking Bush’s personality, the former Florida governor has never again even held second place (and he’s now in fifth place) among the GOP field.

    A few months later, Trump’s aggressive attacks on Dr. Ben Carson’s energy and honesty marked the end of Carson’s brief moment as GOP front-runner once Trump tarred him in the very same way he is now tarring Hillary Clinton.

    With a record of success in rhetorically going places that credible candidates rarely go, there is no reason for Donald Trump to back off his very personal critiques of Hillary Clinton. Not only can he reasonably expect the barbs have their desired effect but there is another tactical benefit for Trump: Targeting Hillary allows him to move away from the constant anti-Republican sniping that has even the Donald admitting he’s been “a little bit divisive.”

    On Monday, Mr. Trump said “I haven’t started with Hillary yet.” I’m sure he’s absolutely serious, and for reasons with substantial political merit:

    Lambasting a Democrat rather than fellow Republicans (to the extent that you actually believe Trump is a Republican) is a smart move for a front-runner who wants to be taken seriously by those outside his current core of support.

    Hillary’s most committed fans won’t be swayed by Trump’s analysis of her (dis)honesty — one that is already shared by many Americans. But this campaign isn’t about them any more than it is about those deeply committed to Donald Trump or to the Republican Party. It is about those who are loosely attached to a party or loosely attached to the idea of voting at all. The risk to Hillary is not that Donald “Roundup” Trump gets millions of Americans who are slightly leaning Hillary’s way to vote for him (or for another Republican); her risk is that Trump gets them not to vote at all.

    There is another aspect of the Trump phenomenon that threatens the Clinton candidacy: His are the politics of the outsider and of inexperience as a virtue. Her campaign is, more than any other candidate in recent memory, that of an ultimate insider running with a mantle of unmatched experience.

    The more Trump can convince moderate and independent voters that Hillary’s strongest arguments for herself are somewhere between irrelevant and disqualifying, the harder it becomes for her to carry those swing voters who now determine American elections.

    The current presidential cycle is perhaps the strangest of my lifetime; that is not going to change anytime soon. Among its strangest aspects is that the Republican candidate most able to harm Hillary Clinton prior to the general election is the one least likely to beat her in that election.

    Smart:

    The risk to Hillary is not that Donald “Roundup” Trump gets millions of Americans who are slightly leaning Hillary’s way to vote for him (or for another Republican); her risk is that Trump gets them not to vote at all.

  37. Normally, I do not go in for this Marquis de Sade stuff, but when Trump puts boy George’s ugly head in a vice and turns the screw I have to admit that a certain level justice has been served. The modus operandi of boy George is to ask his gocha question, and when a candidate refutes him, he closes in with a statement that supplies his own answer to the question and then quickly moves on. Trump catches him pulling that shit storm, and argues with his answer rather than letting him move on. Boy George had ten questions, and he only got through four of them, because Trump would not allow him to move on. Can you imagine a professional eunech like Romney or McCain doing that. Instead of fighting these whores they routinely submit and turn their ire on the American People. Someone should say to those weak sucks time to say good night johnny, and when they refused to budge primary their asses.

  38. I have noticed that Trump is particularly artful in speaking of BO’s failed foreign policies as if they were Hillary’s. Never to even say his name. The thing is, Hillary was only the SOS carrying out the BO policies. Did she have input? Sure. But the insanity was his.

    The following is a good discussion on the ME and the BO disaster. What a mess:

    Washington’s Dead-End In Syria—-You Own What You Break

    …And the third fact about the policy is that the Obama administration embarked on its campaign of illusory peace negotiations with little more than one year left before Obama leaves the Oval Office.

    The obvious implication of these facts is that the ostensible push for a ceasefire and peace negotiations is a useful device for managing the political optics associated with Syria during the administration’s final year. If it is not questioned by media and political elites, the administration will be able to claim both that it is insisting on getting rid of Assad and at the same time moving toward a ceasefire and political settlement.

    Never mind that claim has nothing to do with reality. Being the dominant power, after all, means never having to say you’re sorry, because you don’t have to acknowledge your responsibility for the terrible war and chaos visited on a country because of your policy.

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/is-unicorn-the-new-subprime/

  39. Haven’t read all the comments on the thread, but Donald’s crude remarks about why HRC was late to the podium during the debate is such a turnoff. Really? That’s how he wants to campaign? The good points he makes politically are cancelled out by stooping to such depths. As POTUS, will he insult world leaders he disagrees with? Yes, and that concerns me.

  40. trixta.. yeah. I had to go looking for what he said. What is so disgusting about a woman taking a restroom break? I read in another article, the ladies rest room (as usual) was farther down the hallway and then there was something about her waiting for the restroom to be cleared up — apparently, O’Malley’s campaign woman was in there or some such thing. If I were Hillary, I would not share the restroom with anybody either at that time. Trump is being an ass.

    “I know where she went, it’s disgusting, I don’t want to talk about it,” Trump said as he contorted his face. “No, it’s too disgusting. Don’t say it, it’s disgusting.”

  41. One other thing I would like to point out. The argument is that Hillary wouldn’t use the restroom with the other woman from O’Malley’s campaign. Now, did Hillary say that or did her SECRET SERVICE tell her to wait since someone else was in there because they didn’t know who was in there. Interesting it was one of O’Malley’s people…he is just shit-head enough to try and make Hillary wait thus making her late back to the debate. And it was AFTER that break that O’Malley uttered his totally booed comment about “a different generation’s point of view”..a slam at both Hillary and Bernie as being too old.

  42. Good points, VotingHillary. All angles need to be considered…could have been a set up. So glad O’Malley got booed after his put down of HRC and Bernie. And Trump doesn’t know when to stop.

  43. trixta, pm317, Shadow –

    Yes, that was totally low-class. And it’s disgusting? It certainly couldn’t have been a female slam, because she’s obviously past menopause. So all that’s left to believe is that Hillary is the only human who has the disgusting need to use a restroom at times.

    I think Trump gets a little carried away with his popularity, and resorts to some immature and unnecessary comments. He has seemed to grow a lot (no, he’s not at perfect) during the debates, learning how to do them. I sure hope he learns how to have more gravitas when speaking to the public. He must certainly exhibit gravitas and maturity when making his business deals – he’s got to already know how to be more mature, but he has to learn to apply it in public.

    For me, it doesn’t outweigh what I think he brings to the table. If there were another candidate, a non-politician that I felt was strong, pro-America, non-p.c., and would be determined to make important changes to restore America – but one that exhibited more maturity – I’d probably vote for that person over Trump.

    But I don’t feel we have such a person running. And maybe that person would seem suspiciously polished, as if they really HAD been a politician – so maybe in a way, Trump’s unwashed “graces” actually make him seem more genuine. But I do hope if he wins, he feels more secure and stops the immature low-blow, junior high crap.

    I want to see this country turned around and I think Trump is the most likely to do it, and if the hero of the story isn’t perfect, I guess I can live with that if he does do what he says he plans to.

    (But yes, I do NOT care for the immature crap, even that silly skirmish with Bush at the last debate – I thought the faces he made looked immature and not confident.)

  44. Hillary accuses Donald of being the poster child for ISIS without any evidence and-

    Donald accuses Hillary of taking making 8 million voters wait while she takes a bathroom break.

    Result: Hillary wins.

    Donald has insulted all women by his crass boorish unforgiveable remark.

    Whereas nobody really cares about ISIS, it is no threat and claims to the contrary are fiction.

    My first reaction? There must be some moral equivalency here that I am missing.

    But I am sure you could whistle up an establishment defender who will say exactly that.

    Victorian themes in the twenty first century. Who would have thunk.

  45. The other thing we can be absolutely positively sure of is that if Sander or O’Malley took a bathroom break and delayed the proceedings, Trump would have treated it with a wink and nod and a statement after the debate that’s okay among us guys, when you have got to go you have got to go.

    By the way, is that the Donald Trump you know. Or would he have gone even further and said, I never trust a man who cannot hold his liquor, and the world cannot stand still for these unauthorized spontaneous piss breaks and when I am president they will be verbotten, and by the way MSNBC before you accuse me of locking all the bathrooms except my own, get a fucking life, and realize I am kidding.

  46. It is disgusting to even be analyzing why Trump said what Trump said about Hillary’s bathroom break. He does not know when to stop himself. Period.

  47. A massive attack in the United States between now and the election would get us past these worries about whether establishment figures will kill Trump like Brutas and Cassius slew Caesar or whether his reference to Hillary’s momentary absence was sexism.

    As Doctor Johnson said, nothing so fixates the mind as the imminent prospect of being hanged–or in this case blown up, or decapitated, etc.

    In that scenario, establishment Republicans cannot be trusted to protect the nation because too often they have been enablers of Obama, all rhetoric to the contrary notwithstanding.

    It calls for a man on a white horse, who can tell our adversaries with a sense of conviction, free of their corruption, who could say to our adversaries hey mon in case you have not noticed the party is over.

    If you continue doing what you are doing now, taking advantage of us, you do so at your peril. And if you think I am kidding, just try me.

  48. pm317
    December 22, 2015 at 10:36 pm
    ———————————-
    That does have to rank as one of his more stupid comments. If I were Hillary I would roast HIM over it. So, just what is so disgusting about women peeing? Is that something only MEN are allowed to do?

  49. Andy McCarthy cuts to the chase. He points out that Obama has utterly conflated the cause of Islamic terrorism, by claiming that it is not based on religious doctrine, but is motivated by discrimination nd colonialism, which leads him to ban free speech. By failing to understand the cause, he limits our freedom and leave the world exposed to what Hobbs called the risk of violent death. But the elites support him in this delusion because they have their own delusion which is entirely compatible with his, and that is once ISIS takes Mosule they will move to recognize them as a viable nation state, and seek to bring them into the community of nations and control them from that position. This explains in haec verba why Obama has been keen to make peace with other terrorist nations, like Iran, Cuba, North Korea. The assumption—and it is pure delusion, is that nations in the same supply chain do not make war on each other. Their assumption is delusional because it discounts the seductive pull of religion, nationalism, and a natural tendency of all thinking people to resist the imposition of a global dictatorship dominated by a bureacratic cadre of mandarins and a global elite class. That is the direction the billionaires want to push it, but it is as delusional as Hitlers decision to conquer Russia which was doomed from the beginning. There as an article by Phil Graham in WSJ admonishing us to be cheerful because when a Republican becomes president he will undo everything Obama has done. If you believe that then you must also believe in the tooth fairy. The change must be systemic.

  50. Everybody know that we cannot have Trump for POTUS because he would start a Trade War with China. BBBBBBbbbbwwwwwwwwahahaahahahaha!

    The Trade Wars Begin: U.S. Imposes 256% Tarriff On Chinese Steel Imports

    …Which also means that now that the US has fired the first trade war shot, it will be up to China to retaliate. It will do so either by further devaluing its currency or by reciprocating with its own protectionist measures against the US, or perhaps by accelerating the selling of US Treasurys. To be sure, it has several choices, clearly none of which are optimal from a game theory perspective, but now that the US has openly “defected” from the “prisoner’s dilemma” game, all bets are off.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-23/trade-wars-begin-us-imposes-256-tarriff-chinese-steel-imports

  51. If you want to understand, then you need to read this. Really:

    https://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2015/12/22/obamas-denial-of-the-jihads-ideological-roots-gravely-endangers-the-nation

    And, please note, there is one small minded nevish who seeks to draw a false moral equivalency here too, by saying its okay its okay its okay for lest we forget there are Christian terrorist too.

    Well, then, touche and who are we to judge.

    Lets just sit on our hands as the bodies pile up, rather than violate the cannons of political correctness.

    Better still, lets feed these delusionals to the ISIS beast and see what happens.

    They could become (dead) saints in the secular religion of big government.

  52. reciprocating with its own protectionist measures against the US,
    ——–
    Now there is a hollow threat.

    With so few US goods getting into China, except for microsoft and hollywood, and who give a flying fuck about them.

    Which would you rather have: a shrinking middle class, or even wealthier software and hollywood moguls?

  53. Did she have input? Sure. But the insanity was his.
    ————-
    But it has become hers because she continues to embrace it.

    I mean she had to do this when she worked for him, okay.

    And she has to do it now or he will scuttle her campaign/

    Really?

    Even when those policies are losing mainstream media support

    BECAUSE NOW THOSE USELESS HUMPS ARE THREATENED?

    Note, when it was just us, they had no problem supporting him.

    I think we have to face the fact that she had made a calculated decision to pursue these policies.

    I am sick to death of making excuses.

    Same goes for the Republican establishment.

    Don’t try to tell me you opposed him.

    Look at what that fucking McConnell did when the rubber met the road.

    The truth is Obama is a perfect reflection of the political class.

    He emodies all their flaws, hangups and delusions.

    Which is why Phil Grahams don’t worry, a Republican president will erase what Obama has done

    Is a fairy tale for children.

  54. Somalia’s government has banned celebrations of Christmas and New Year in the Muslim majority country, saying the festivities might attract Islamist attacks.

    “All events related to Christmas and New Year celebrations are contrary to Islamic culture, which could damage the faith of the Muslim community,” the director general of the religious affairs ministry told reporters on Tuesday.

  55. Western values, including sexual equality, are “contrary to muslim culture”. That is the bottom line. It is now official government policy in Somalia, and trust me it is spreading west along with the caliphate. Surprisingly, to our own youth who missed the ’60s this faith has a growing appeal. But we need to be smarter than Obama is in dealing with it, and not make it easier for this cancer to spread.

  56. The elites are perfectly content to ride this wave because it does not threaten them personally, and because the hierarchical system imposed by the Muslim religion which brooks no dissent fits neatly into their own globalist agenda where they drag these failed states into the globalist orbit, exploit their resources, control them and use them to threaten those who want to maintain a sovereignty based system. That is the entire game that is going on now, behind the shade. I think it was Oswald Spenglar who first pointed out that bankers supported every violent revolution which took place in the twentieth century, so why pray tell should it be any different here.

  57. wbboei
    December 23, 2015 at 12:37 pm

    “The elites are perfectly content to ride this wave because it does not threaten them personally, and because the hierarchical system imposed by the Muslim religion which brooks no dissent …”

    That is exactly the truth of what is going on. A system all ready in place to control the population mercilessly. That stinking Price Charles tipped me off years ago when I read how much he admired the muslims. I had to think why would Prince Charles admire muslims and all I could come up with was – he wants to be a real king (the “off with his head” kind of king).

    And I watched that Michigan rally, when Donald Trump starting talking about Hillary not coming back to the stage and asked “where did she go, I thought she quit” some one in the audience yelled out “she took a dump”. You can see his surprise as his head snaps around to see who yelled it. Then he pointed to the person and burst out laughing. Then it is like he can’t shake to visual from his head and he says “no, I’m not gonna go there, that is disgusting etc.’ Make of it what you will.

    One of the things I like about Donald Trump is how he can talk to thousands and still be talking just to me.

  58. Update: Some stocking stuffers for you pre Christmas Day. First the latest Trump fever, the “schlong” controversy. Oy vey! The Washington Post went all in etymologist for that controversy. Was Trump a woman hating sexist when he said Obama “schlonged” Hillary”? Turns out Trump has used the same word in the same context before:

    “I watched a popular Republican woman [Jane Corwin] not only lose but get schlonged by a Democrat [Kathy Hochul] nobody ever heard of for the congressional seat, and that was because, simply, because of the Paul Ryan plan,” Trump said at the time.

    A woman “schlonging” a woman? In 2011 NPR’s Neal Conan used the same exact word in the same election context too. “Schlonged” as used in this context means “fu*ked” not “penis”. So what is Trump up to? Trump is prepping the battlefield. Trump is just beginning to remind voters, particularly African-American voters that Obama hates Hillary and Hillary hates Obama. The goal is not necessarily to win votes for Trump but to keep votes away from Hillary.

    That last is a lesson Hillary2016 does not get. Hillary2016 is simply not as quick nor as canny as Trump2016. That can be seen in the other outrage, the “bathroom break” um, crack, from Trump that is the other Big Media air sucker of the day. What many see as crude we see as battlefield preparation. You can be outraged all you want and complain all you want but take a look see at what Trump is up to with the bathroom crack and see the uselessness of the Hillary2016 response. What is Trump up to?

    Trump said Hillary disappeared and he thought she “quit” when she came back late to the debate stage and did not explain her absence. Trump says he thought Hillary “quit” because most see Hillary just going through the motions of a campaign and Trump gives voice to that. Trump is also doing to Hillary what he did to Jeb Bush. For the past few months Trump has been repeating the message that Hillary does not have the “stamina” to be president. That’s a rerun attack of the successful anti-Jeb “no energy” tactic that effectively destroyed Jeb Bush. “No energy” becomes “no stamina” becomes “I thought she quit” bathroom crack. Hillary’s limpy retort, “We shouldn’t let anybody bully his way into the presidency because that is not who we are as Americans”, is eerily similar to Jeb Bush’s whine from the last debate “You can’t insult your way to the presidency.” Oh, really????



    Fact is what happened at the debate was very odd. We’ve never seen a candidate missing from a major debate after a commercial break and then reemerge with zero explanation. Lesson for Hillary2016: don’t let something go unexplained that people are thinking about because Donald Trump will express the unexpressed thought of voters/viewers. Hillary could have come back to the stage and said something like “why are there never enough women bathrooms?” and millions of women would have understood. Hillary could have said “it takes us longer guys – we don’t just zip and split” to laughs of understanding. Instead there was silence and Trump filled the silence most memorably.

    Trump is prepping the battlefield and Hillary2016 is so inept the only response is a silly response about sexism instead of realizing the danger Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Jindal, Perry, Graham refused to see until the Trump truck ran over them. This is a Trump threefer. One, Trump hits back against Hillary false attacks against him at the debate. Two, Trump gets to campaign against Cruz and the other Republicans by ignoring them and hitting Hillary instead. Three, Trump once again grabs all the news and suffocates his opposition. Bonus for Trump is to force Hillary to campaign on the stump where she is liable to make mistakes, not at staged events.

    Is any of this working for Trump? Yeah, it does work wonders for Trump:

    Now, after spending weeks largely out of the spotlight, Clinton plans to intensify her campaign schedule from an almost incumbent-style effort to a more aggressive, first-timer approach.

    Trump now has his Christmas gift: a one-on-one fight with the opposition candidate which separates him from the rest of the failing pack. Result? New CNN national poll: Trump up 21 points over Cruz at 39%. Reuters has Trump at 37% with Carson and Cruz at 11%. More good news for Trump? Yeah,

    The latest GOP debate edged out NFL football and beat everything else to score as last week’s most-watched prime-time program, leaving Democrats and even Adele in the dust.

    The Republican presidential faceoff (the party’s fifth, this time from Las Vegas on Dec. 15) drew 18.17 million viewers to CNN, according to the Nielsen ratings company.

    Sunday’s NFL game between Arizona and Philadelphia, aired on NBC, was the week’s runner-up with 18.11 million viewers.

    It’s not just Hillary that helps Trump:

    Beltway-insider publications Politico and The Hill are hiding House Speaker Rep. Paul Ryan’s 2016’s disastrous report card, even days after the Dec. 18 passage of his $1.1-plus trillion 2016 spending-and-tax plan.

    Ryan and his top aides “really gave away the store,” Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi declared Dec. 18. Her report-card phrase — “they really gave away the store” — doesn’t appear in Politico or TheHill, even by Dec. 22.

    Trump will be able to insult his way to the presidency as long as his opposition is so incompetent they prove worthy of the insults.

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  59. Interesting book coming out: Jeb and the Bush Crime Family

    Jeb and the Bush Crime Family is the book that smashes through the layers of lies and secrecy that has surrounded and protected our country’s very own political dynasty.

    New York Times bestselling author and legendary political insider, Roger Stone lashes out with a blistering indictment that exposes the true history and monumental hypocrisy of the Bushes. In his usual “go for the jugular” style, Stone collaborates with Saint John Hunt—author, musician, and son of legendary CIA operative E. Howard Hunt—to make this a “no-holds-barred” history of the Bush family.

  60. Trump’s insults may be part of his strategy to throw his opponents off balance and damage their calm as Jayne Cobb would say in the TV series Firefly.

  61. Admin

    Fact is what happened at the debate was very odd. We’ve never seen a candidate missing from a major debate after a commercial break and then reemerge with zero explanation.

    ———–
    This actually happened in the debate just before this last one. There was some talk about Hillary taking a little longer then the men in the bathroom, and her apology.

    Trump then tried to make fun of Hillary for it, I do not share your respect for Trump, Admin.

  62. Admin,

    Despite your sarcasm and disdain for Hillary’s current campaign, you seem to be hoping beyond hope that she will take your advice, run a better campaign and run away from Obama. But how can anyone want to support someone who has either been so easily swayed by others to move off her previous positions or really believes the far left drivel she has been so vehemently spewing?

  63. Admin.. Hillary need not to have explained it at all. Trump need not have filled the ‘silence.’ There is no silence. Everyone knows there is always a longer line at the women’s restroom, be it a restaurant, a theater, a concert, the Capitol Hill..

  64. Us women taking longer in the bathroom is no one’s business. If we could go and pee on a wall, it might be different.

  65. I think Trump is a breath of fresh air and has brought a lot of important issues to the debate. When , however, the first thing Ryan does is acquiesces to Obama’s agenda, one can readily tell it is a rigged game and Trump will not get the nomination of the GOP. Only a real revolt among the silent majority could prove otherwise.

  66. I think what happened in the first debate gave O’Malley or his campaign an idea and his campaign woman set Hillary up perhaps knowing that Hillary’s preference was to wait for it to be cleared up. The debate was for 3 hours! Read that again — three hours with two duds! And the network could do a quick panel overview or some such thing giving these candidates a breather. Why didn’t they do that?

  67. Hillary did joke about it the first time. It is a tell that she didn’t want to joke about it the second time. I think she was angry that she was made to wait. I think she angry to have had to debate with these duds. I think she is angry she is tied to that fucker Obama and can’t extricate herself. I think she is angry that 2008 happened. I would be.

  68. Why did CNN or whatever network not run another ad or focus on the moderators. By walking on to the stage late she gave the optic. Find it hard believe they do not have protocols in place for live events. Trump responding I do not find a big deal.
    After that she sends out a paronizing spanish grandma themed ad. Her whole team seems clueless.

  69. Lu4PUMA
    December 23, 2015 at 3:49 pm
    Interesting book coming out: Jeb and the Bush Crime Family
    ——-
    A friend of mine is doing some parallel research. She says there is evidence that the Bush family fortune was based on Nazi loot. We all know they were involved in lending money to Hitler before the war. But this new evidence suggests that the pay off came after the war. I have no more than that to report, and I did not press the matter because I was not as interested in it as she is. She is a very credible person and a very talented reporter. Wait and see if this new book touches on that subject. If so, then it is a damned good thing that Jebediah hablas espanol, because a quick shot down the rat line to Argentina may be indicated, for him, George and Poppy. Out, out brief candle.

  70. henry
    December 23, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    After that she sends out a paronizing spanish grandma themed ad. Her whole team seems clueless.

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    It wasn’t an ad, but a posting on her site that was written by one of her Hispanic supporters and identified as such.

  71. Her statements about Trump being a recruitment tool for isis Benghazi video lies, and statements made saying at UN that we will utilize peer pressure and shaning to quell anti-moslem gestures. Sounds sharia compliant to me making her unfit.

  72. VotingHillary

    December 23, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    henry
    December 23, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    After that she sends out a paronizing spanish grandma themed ad. Her whole team seems clueless.

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    It wasn’t an ad, but a posting on her site that was written by one of her Hispanic supporters and identifyed as such.
    ____________________________________________________________

    Yeah, well, whatever. It’s pretty tone deaf. HRC stands with the non-Americans. Let her and the Obots she’s courting (who hate her), reap the whirlwind.

  73. We shouldn’t let anybody bully his way into the presidency because . . .

    that is not who we are as Americans”
    ———-
    1. who does she mean by we? You? Me? Patrick Leahy? Charles Manson? I guess we are all the same.

    2. if we are not what she says we are not, then what are we?

    3. that’s easy. We bomb civilians, we abandon our troops in harms way, we cozy up to wall street, we promote big government, we invent things that never happened and we pander to illegals.

    4. but god strike us dead if we let anyone bully their way to the presidency

    5. unless “we” have to.

  74. Trump vs Hillary is shaping up to be like the chess match between US grandmaster Bobby Fisher vs USSR grandmaster Boris Spassky, who were both flawed in their own ways. Fisher was the eccentric and borderline paronoid, delusional chess wiz, and Spassky was a loyal member of the Party.

  75. Hillary tried to silence Donald Trump with a lie that she knew was a lie right when she said it, what did she think was going to happen?

    She pretended that she wanted Donald Trump to shut up for national security reasons, but what she really wanted was for Donald Trump to lay his 1st Amendment guarantee of free speech at her feet. He was shining a light on all of their failures and she wanted him to stop. And if that is not the answer then does she really want us to be just as cowed as the muslims? The night of the debate after she said that I begun thinking that mysterious blow to the head addled her brain.

    I read Admin’s comment above and agree – I would have love to see Hillary come out and make a joke about long lines or something. I hoped she when asked about it later she would have cackled and made a joke about Donald, maybe say ‘I never met a little boy yet who didn’t love making jokes about going potty”.

    I would give anything to have my hero Hillary back, but not going to happen. Then again sometimes I wonder if the hero is still in there and she is throwing the election to Donald to destroy the uni-party the only way she can.

  76. Tony Stark
    December 24, 2015 at 12:27 am

    —–

    I learned more about Fisher from my ex-boyfriend than I ever wanted to. Fisher was a real nut case in the end. Sorry, maybe saying he had a real mental illness was more like it.

    Normally I would be excited to see a real debate between Hillary and Trump on the real issues, but I now doubt that Trump will debate without trying to shockjock his opponent with every nasty thing he can think of. I have a feeling at the end of it, I will disrespect him even more than I do now.

  77. blowme0bama
    December 23, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    Yeah, well, whatever.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    No, not WHATEVER. You presented a false premise just like Obama did in 2008 regarding Hillary. If you don’t support her this time, that is you choice. But what I won’t let go is presenting false premise like the Obama “kiddies” did in 2008. If you actually did support her in 2008, you can’t justify doing what they did in 2016……..PERIOD.

  78. Trump is like the road runner.

    It is rather stunning to see the media still getting that “We’ve got him this time!” attitude whenever Trump says something that one doesn’t normally hear from a politician.

    They then spend an entire news cycle talking about him, all the while Jeb! Bush jumps up and down in the corner yelling, “GUYS, I’m over here!”

    Trump embraces the attention, doubles down on whatever he said, and drives his Republican and Democrat detractors that much closer to needing a year in a rehab facility.

    As someone who long ago grew weary of the MSM playing gotcha politics with Republicans, it is kind of fun seeing them never get him.

  79. wbboei
    December 24, 2015 at 2:33 am
    Trump is like the road runner.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    We agree on something. I think he is a cartoon character too.

  80. 12/24/15/ Homeland Security reportedly readying deportation raids early next year
    Video: Obama admin’s illegal immigration ‘quick fix’ not working
    SNIP raids by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) would detain and deport adults and children who have already been ordered removed by an immigration judge. The targeted groups include illegal immigrants who failed to show up for court dates to hear their asylum applications after they were detained by federal agents.
    The Post report noted that the raids have not been given final approval by DHS and have been a subject of fierce debate within the Obama administration. The report added that DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson has pushed for the operations after a fresh surge of families crossing the border this past October and November, as well as a federal judge’s August decision ordering the administration to begin releasing immigrant families from specially-built detention centers.
    An estimated 100,000 familes with adults and children have entered the U.S. since the start of last year, according to the Post, though this migration has been overshadowed by a similar surge of unaccompanied minors. SNIP
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/24/homeland-security-reportedly-readying-deportation-raids-early-next-year.html

  81. Not having a place to do her business to her specification (and she can have the bathroom to her self if that is what she wants, needs, and should DEMAND) is an indicator, to me at least, or just how lousy her crapping campaign staff is. If she wants privacy, silence, or any other condition, DURING THE BREAK OF A NATIONALLY TELEVISED DEBATE!!!, and her staff doesn’t plan it, set it up, and provide it, should be grounds for firing. She should be furious WITH THEM, and the Secret Service, for putting her in this position for anything of this behind the scenes nature to even be noticed. What kind of half assed, Micky Mouse, low rent outfit is running her campaign? FIRE THEM NOW!

  82. holdthemaccountable
    December 24, 2015 at 6:21 am

    I read that and thought the internal polling is astronomically bad for open border and immigration non-enforcement advocates. It will be a public relations con with cameras and fake “enforcement” raids after throwing the borders wide open and paying billions to disperse and house them. Too late now. Should have done it the first seven years before Trump. Now they have to resort to pretending to be “heartless” and cruel and enforce some laws. This is just like denying entry to the tribe of Al Qaeda thugs from Londonistan trying to go to Disney in CA. PR stunts only.

  83. Shadowfax
    December 23, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    If this is really happening to her, her staff is not seeing to her personal needs and that is unforgivable. If they are doing this to her repeatedly, they need to be shit-canned. They are supposed to anticipate her needs not create awkward or difficult moments for her. I don’t care if it is bathroom breaks, a snack or rest to keep her energy up, short rests, whatever. She is a human being and needs some consideration and if her stupid staff can’t do this they need to be gone. It is supposed to look effortless (it isn’t) and not like a grind or series of problems for her. Are her asshole staff setting her up? With the always petty and passive aggressive Obama faction lurking it would not surprise me if it was intentional. Fire them. Hillary do not put up with this shit.

  84. The thing is .. why does she think she is “entitled” to the WHOLE fucking bathroom??? All the people have been screened and so what if someone by some chance snapped a pic of her washign her hands, or touching up her lipstick

    It just shows again how out of touch she is with regular people

    She should have just opened the other stall door and pissed and got back on stage

    how she handled this is just another indicator that she thinks she deserves “better” than anyone else

  85. VotingHillary
    December 24, 2015 at 4:50 am
    wbboei
    December 24, 2015 at 2:33 am
    Trump is like the road runner.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    We agree on something. I think he is a cartoon character too.
    ———
    Unfortunately, you missed my point.

    The point is its all a game.

    And they are all just politicians.

    And predictable ones at that.

    That said, if we have learned anything whatsoever along the way, then surely it is this.

    NO establishment figure can or will serve the interests of the American People.

    They are all bought and paid for.

  86. Once you figure that one out, the question becomes are the goals of the donors who control the politician compatible with mine or adverse. Today, you will hard pressed to find a politician in either party who can meet those test, because the donors, meaning the elites, are fixated on globalism in support of their parochial business interests,and their penchant for social climbing to become part of a newly forming international ruling class which requires among other things the abolition of soverignty and the honoring of constitutional government more in the breach than in the observance. I hope I live to see the day when their perverse vision comes crashing down around their ears, because it entails the destruction of a form of limited government which has brought unprecedented liberty and prosperity and stability to the world and to the people of this nation. At that point, if someone suggested hanging every leftist from the starboard yardarm, and someone else said no cut them down, my response to the party of the second part would be why spoil a good time.

  87. I am surprised, shocked actually, that someone like Cost who writes a column every week examining the entrails of history for common themes so he can pronounce with the certainty of a Wall Street chartist, when you see this pattern on a graph, the stock will tank or take off as the case may be. For those like him who believe history repeats itself over and over, and what happened in 1823 is happening again now, I would suggest they turn their big brains on the figure of Andrew Jackson. If you want to know who Trump reminds me of—coarse, bold, a view of greatness for the nation, blue collar support, a true leader, viewed with suspicion and contempt by the Georgetown set, there is your precedent.

  88. dot48
    December 24, 2015 at 7:21 am

    The thing is .. why does she think she is “entitled” to the WHOLE fucking bathroom??? All the people have been screened and so what if someone by some chance snapped a pic of her washign her hands, or touching up her lipstick

    That was sort of my first thought. But Secret Service, dirty tricks, terrorists, domestic malcontents looking for publicity, etc. So yes she gets the whole bathroom and her staff should see to it and plan it out. They didn’t and I think they need to be fired. The public should not even be aware of her bathroom security needs or peccadilloes.

  89. Jeb Bush attacks Donald Trump as the “chaos candidate” but what JeBush does not understand – THAT IS A COMPLIMENT.
    ——–
    And that little gem, second only to his brushing aside of Trump’s observation I am at 41 and you are at 3 Jeb, with the comment heard twice . . . it does not matter—which sounds a little like comrade card index i.e. Stalins quip it does not matter who votes, what matters is who counts the votes and touche for that one Jebedia, but while we are on the subject of freudian slips his condemnation of Trump as a chaos candidate, seen in context means if you are bent on preserving the corrupt status quo then his candidacy is destablilizing. But to the rest of us, who do not have the silver spoon or golden handshake, and are being boiled like a frog the status quo he cherishes, Trump is not a chaos candidate, HE IS A GAME CHANGER, and that is what the corrupt elite class finds most objectionable. Because changing the game means they stand to lose something.

  90. This is important. Why? Because the Muslim Brotherhood was the centerpiece of Obama’s ill fated Arab Spring initiative which was catnip to big media and its roots in terrorism was willfully suppressed by big media so the public would never know. Big media also suppressed the fact that Obama gave the Muslim Brotherhood several offices in the White House. And the Washington elites were well aware of this. Cameron is a weak suck prime minister, and an aider/abettor of Obama, but even he has been forced to change his position, whereas Obama persists in his delusions, and opens another door for terrorism to strike on our shores. Trump needs to get on this.
    ————–
    UK breaks with U.S. on Muslim Brotherhood

    By STEVE EMERSON & PETE HOEKSTRA • 12/24/15 12:03 AM
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    The United Kingdom broke from the largely complacent U.S. position on radical Islamists in a startling indictment of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB).

    “Aspects of the Muslim Brotherhood’s ideology and activities … run counter to British values of democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, equality and the mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs,” Prime Minister David Cameron said in a statement. Cameron further states that “association with, or influence by the Muslim Brotherhood should be considered as a possible indicator of extremism.”

    As the West attempts to pinpoint potential terrorists, the Brits tell us where to look, and that is to the MB and its associates.

    The new account — resulting from an 18-month-long exhaustive investigation by respected foreign policy experts — presents a brutally honest examination of the movement. In breaking from the U.S., the UK has shifted closer to Egypt, the UAE and Saudi Arabia in identifying it as a terrorist organization.

    More from the Washington Examiner
    At Christmas 2015, causes for conservative joy
    By Timothy P. Carney • 12/24/15 12:01 AM
    The UK position sharply contrasts with that of the Obama administration, which sought to strengthen ties to the Brotherhood. Just a few years ago Director of National Intelligence James Clapper described the MB as “largely secular…” and “which has eschewed violence.”

    The Obama administration quickly condemned the UK report in an email to the IPT, citing the MB’s stated commitment to nonviolence and that pushing back against the organization would lead to the radicalization of a minority of its followers.

    We’re not sure that they even read the report. Since founding the group in 1928, former schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna, “accepted the political utility of violence, and the Brotherhood conducted attacks, including political assassinations and attempted assassinations against Egypt state targets and both British and Jewish interests during his lifetime,” it says.

    Brotherhood ideologue Sayyid Qutb furthermore promoted the stigmatization of other Muslims as infidels and their states as unIslamic. He advocated extreme brutality in pursuing the perfect Islamic society.

    The MB never officially disowned Qutb’s doctrine — known as “takfir” — and the organization remains composed of those who support it and want to overthrow the West.

    Also from the Washington Examiner
    Jim Gilmore burns bridges with Chris Christie
    By Daniel Chaitin • 12/24/15 12:01 AM
    The British address the Brotherhood’s international network and how it promotes its ideology, raises funds and provides safe haven for members who left their home countries to support its activities.

    From its foundation, it “organised itself into a secretive ‘cell’ structure, with an elaborate induction and education programme for new members … This clandestine, centralised and hierarchical structure persists to this day.”

    The UK report describes the MB’s shadowy and secretive front groups in its home country. It “shaped the new Islamic Society of Britain (ISB), dominated the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) and played an important role in establishing and then running the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB).”

    Their peer in the U.S. is the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

    The IPT has extensively documented its ties to the MB and its Palestinian affiliate Hamas, still the White House continues to welcome CAIR as a participant in discussing policy. It recently invited a CAIR official who accused the FBI of killing two men in cold blood in separate incidents to a meeting on religious discrimination.

    Also from the Washington Examiner
    Franklin Graham leaves GOP, cites ‘Nazi concentration camps’
    By Anna Giaritelli • 12/24/15 1:20 AM
    The Obama administration, in its engagement of Islamist regimes in the Middle East and Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas front groups in our homeland, has severely damaged U.S. national security and left us more vulnerable to Islamic terrorism than in any previous generation.

    The U.S. needs to step back and seriously consider the British study and identify America’s friends and enemies.

    This administration fundamentally changed who it perceives as allies and partners. This change resulted — by the Brits’ analysis — in the U.S. joining the radical Islamist enemy rather than fighting it.

    The failed states, rise of the nihilistic and genocidal ISIS army, and the humanitarian crises of the past few years bear that out. America stands increasingly isolated in its embrace of the MB. The U.S. might consider absorbing the lessons from the UK’s new findings and rethink its strategy.

  91. VotingHillary

    December 24, 2015 at 1:37 am

    blowme0bama
    December 23, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    Yeah, well, whatever.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    No, not WHATEVER. You presented a false premise just like Obama did in 2008 regarding Hillary. If you don’t support her this time, that is you choice. But what I won’t let go is presenting false premise like the Obama “kiddies” did in 2008. If you actually did support her in 2008, you can’t justify doing what they did in 2016……..PERIOD.
    ___________________________________________________________________–

    Uh, no sister, you need to get your attributions straight. I presented no premises about anything. And I didn’t support Hillary in 08 or anyone else and prior to 2010 hadn’t voted or supported anyone since Clinton 92. But it’s pretty clear she stands against middle class Americans, limited government, and liberty. So choose totalitarianism if you want so long as its wrapped in a package you identified with at one point years ago.

  92. Battlespace preparation. Absolutely. Donald Trump just called Hillary Clinton “disgusting” and said that she had gotten “schlonged” by Barack Obama. Don’t say it won’t stick. Trump has given his supporters something they want — a single word to describe Hillary Clinton, just like he glued “low energy” onto Jeb Bush.

    Disgusting.

    Hillary tried to innoculate herself against what she thought were her weaknesses. Her battlespace preparation was to try to “ban bossy” and position herself as a victim of a war on women.

    Trump just bypassed all that entirely. He walked around it like some sort of political Maginot line. No, his line of attack is that Hillary Clinton is a disgusting person. He’s absolutely going after her personally. And she has no way of punching back.

    What can Hillary Clinton or her media army say about Donald Trump that can hurt him? That he’s crude? That he’s a bully? Trump has already defused all that by proving that it doesn’t matter. That’s what this primary was all about. Donald Trump made the opposition (Democrats and media) systematically burn off their entire arsenal of anti-Republican weaponry. Republicans are supposed to know their place. They know that they have to tread very, very carefully, because once they make even the slightest slip, the knives come out and they are finished. Ask Herman Cain. Ask Sarah Palin. The Democrats, media and Republican establishment have been slashing at Donald Trump with every knife they have now and failed to take him down. Heck, the more viciously he attacks his opponents, the more his support rises.

    Now Trump is ready to carve into their candidate and there’s nothing they can do.

  93. Update II: Clinton-Bush takes on a new meaning. Hillary is in tone and language a perfect mimic of Jeb Bush. “Trump is a bully” check. “That is not who we are” check. “Can’t insult your way to the presidency” check. All delivered in a low energy whine – just like Jeb. Bill Clinton said “Better to be strong and wrong than weak and right.” Ignore the wrong and right portion of the equation, who is strong and who is weak? Hillary, call Bill.

    We’re informed, as a defense of Hillary and the bathroom business, that our last update was incorrect. We’re told that Hillary was also late to the previous debate under the same circumstances. That’s not a defense. That’s a condemnation. If this happened before, how come Hillary’s bathroom availability needs have not been tended to by her debate negotiators? Doesn’t Hillary have a private bathroom in her ready room? The debate facilities are negotiated with the hosts of the debates by the candidate staffs. Hillary’s staff did not get her a private bathroom? We think she does need a private bathroom. A private bathroom, not shared with opposition candidates or staff, is a reasonable request to be accommodated without question. A private bathroom is an entirely reasonable demand for all candidates. Republican candidates have had big fights, which made headlines, with debate hosts over their accommodations before debates. Hillary’s staff is so incompetent they did not bother to get her a private bathroom even after she allegedly encountered the same problem in a previous debate??? Color us confused.

    We’re not the only ones confused. Trump is leading Hillary into a well crafted trap which we can see coming from a mile away and Hillary’s staff thinks this “War On Woman” bait is not a trap as they walk in with a smile. Oy gevalt! Below, we offer some more stocking stuffers on this Christmas Eve.

    George Will regurgitates every Hillary/Jeb attack/insult against Trump that has previously failed to kabong The Donald and follows it up with another whiny lament:

    It is possible Trump will not win any primary, and that by the middle of March our long national embarrassment will be over. But this avatar of unfettered government and executive authoritarianism has mesmerized a large portion of Republicans for six months. The larger portion should understand this:

    One hundred and four years of history is in the balance. If Trump is the Republican nominee in 2016, there might not be a conservative party in 2020 either.

    George Will must have missed that “conservative” Paul Ryan budget that just passed the Republican House and Senate which Nancy Pelosi said “gave away the store”. Intellectual George Will should call his party’s grass roots to get an understanding of reality. The dumb as a rock colleague of Will’s at the Washington Post, Jonathan Capehart, must have loosed his bow tie enough to get some blood into his brain because leftist kook Capehart kinda agrees with us:

    Democrats should fear the depths of Donald Trump’s support

    A word of caution to those Democrats, particularly those supporting Hillary Clinton, openly rooting for Donald Trump to win the Republican presidential nomination. Yes, his campaign has been six months of ugly, gasp-worthy rhetoric that should make the Republican Party a no-go zone for a majority of the American electorate on Election Day 2016. But folks like it. And that is reason to worry.

    What if Michael Smerconish was right What if Trump’s numbers are really higher than the polls show because folks are lying to pollsters? What if a Trump vs. Clinton race isn’t a slam dunk for the latter as everyone thinks? Thanks to a study conducted by Kyle Dropp, co-founder and executive director of polling and data science at Morning Consult, we have the frightening answer. Smerconish WAS right! [snip]

    The caution here is that Trump’s support is deeper than we want to admit. And if we’re really being honest, we know his support doesn’t just reside within the Republican Party. Thus, Trump’s “I really don’t give a damn” mien could prove dangerous to a Clinton campaign that prizes control.

    The caution here is that Trump’s support is deeper than we want to admit. And if we’re really being honest, we know his support doesn’t just reside within the Republican Party. Thus, Trump’s “I really don’t give a damn” mien could prove dangerous to a Clinton campaign that prizes control.

    Hillary is running a Jeb Bush “paint by numbers” campaign. Trump runs a “gestural abstraction” “action painting” campaign. It’s as if 2008 didn’t happen ’cause Hillary once again cannot tell friend from foe as she ignores our warnings.

    —————————-

  94. George Will must have missed that “conservative”
    ———-
    Because he is slow, methodical and looks like an absent minded professor, the ignoranti assume he is deep. George is a mile wide—and six inches deep. When O’Reilly is not bending him over in the manner of de Sade, he is busy attacking Trump on behalf of his jobless wife, which with the demise of the great scott walker, and why not, the 7 figure family income has taken a hit.

  95. Hillary is running a Jeb Bush “paint by numbers” campaign. Trump runs a “gestural abstraction” “action painting” campaign. It’s as if 2008 didn’t happen ’cause Hillary once again cannot tell friend from foe as she ignores our warnings.
    —————–
    If Donald Trump is the nominee, then it means that the deck of American politics has been completely reshuffled-that the political landscape is nothing like what it was four years ago. It will mean that the old laws of politics have been suspended, or warped, or maybe even truly changed. And it will mean that Clinton, who is entirely a creature of the established political order, will be operating in this new world without either a flashlight or a map.
    ——————-
    Beltway-insider publications Politico and The Hill are hiding House Speaker Rep. Paul Ryan’s 2016’s disastrous report card, even days after the Dec. 18 passage of his $1.1-plus trillion 2016 spending-and-tax plan. Ryan and his top aides “really gave away the store,” Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi declared Dec. 18. Her report-card phrase — “they really gave away the store” — doesn’t appear in Politico or TheHill, even by Dec. 22.
    ————-
    The pajama boys in Brooklyn are wedded to the formulaic approach which Obama used in 2008 and 12, not realizing that the entire landscape has changed, Obama is seen as a failure, and the nation is under assault economically and militarily. It is the difference between 1938 when peace in our time was all the rage, and 1939 when we heard things like we will fight them on the beaches, in the air, on the ground and never ever give up. It is a different zeigeist now, and when big media keeps trying to hide the symptoms, the only thing that guarantees is bigger gotterdamerung. Who made the decision to scrub Pelosi’s comments. Lets drag that corrupt asshole under the kleig light and cut off his balls. This is not funny anymore.

  96. jms
    December 24, 2015 at 12:18 pm
    ———————

    Ah, you probably read (and regurgitating here) that article analyzing Trump’s brilliant tactics and how the latest one calling Hillary ‘disgusting’ will work wonders. Hillary may be a lot of things but ‘disgusting’ is not one of them. It is even worse than ‘likable enough.’ Hillary gets it from all sides. I have had this sinking feeling that it was a big mistake on her part to run at all. The scorned and dumped woman in 2008 is excoriated all over again but the perpetrators are richer and more powerful for it. The same old goddamn story of a female in histories forever. I don’t particularly care for her at this point but it hurts to see the pile on.

  97. Shadowfax
    December 24, 2015 at 12:47 am
    ———————————————
    During their World Chess Championship in 1972, which I followed as a kid with my chess set, Fisher kept making all sorts of demands, coming in late and doing all sorts off things outside of the actual game that ended up psyching out Boris Spassky, who was more used to business as usual in the world of chess. I brought it up because Trump seems to be employing the same general strategy against Hillary to keep her campaign off balance, and as admin just pointed out, her responses to his insults indicate that his strategy seems to be working.

  98. Shadowfax, I respect your POV and feelings for Hillary however when I think of Hillary 2016, it is things like below that alarm me a great deal…Who is the Hillary of 2016? Where are HER loyalties? Is she just giving lip service, and not much of it if truth be told, to the middle class?

    Who will she support the middle class or illegal immigrants? Is she so desperate for the O coalition that she will betray the rest of us? Do we even matter to her?

    These policy issues…and there are others…are what is important to the future of our country…not just one person… a person that will have a great future no matter what…a person that will have enormous opportunites…win or lose…to continue to do great things with her foundation and gravitas, etc…

    but a person, whether we like it or not, who in the race for the Presidency is indebted to special interests and will have to face paybacks…and many of them…and to who does she owe these payback???

    so for me, a few insults…or rudeness…while it irritates me and I wish we did not have to listen to it…is a small price to pay for the future of our country, our trade polices, our immigration polices, our unfreakingbelievable DEBT, the massive corruption that both parties work in unison to continue to pull off…

    yes, I deplore crudeness…but in the rough and tumble of politics I can handle it if it means we start putting our countries interests and the welfare of the American people first again…and stop the madness we have now…as much as I want to believe, I cannot honestly trust that Hillary is the person, at this time, to pull that off…she has been weakened by the O admin…her campaign is listless and there is alot more going on behind the scenes than we even know about…too much secrecy…she is playing it safe

    I do look to Donald Trump to blast a floodlight on all of it, the corrupt political games, the truth behind the O admin and unfortunately Hillary’s part in it, etc…otherwise, we the people will remain in the dark…and at further risk at this crucial time…

    I do not mean to offend you in any way…just open an honest dialogue about what each person running plans on doing with the power they will inherit…I care more about that than any one person…

    ************************************
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/24/a-political-bomb-is-about-to-blow-up-in-the-democrats-faces/

    A political bomb is about to blow up in the Democrats’ faces

    THE MORNING PLUM:

    This scoop from Jerry Markon and David Nakamura is going to scramble the politics of immigration in the presidential race, and it may create more problems for Democrats than for Republicans:

    The Department of Homeland Security has begun preparing for a series of raids that would target for deportation hundreds of families who have flocked to the United States since the start of last year, according to people familiar with the operation.

    The nationwide campaign, to be carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents as soon as early January, would be the first large-scale effort to deport families who have fled violence in Central America, those familiar with the plan said. More than 100,000 families with both adults and children have made the journey across the southwest border since last year, though this migration has largely been overshadowed by a related surge of unaccompanied minors.

    The ICE operation would target only adults and children who have already been ordered removed from the United States by an immigration judge, according to officials familiar with the undertaking…The adults and children would be detained wherever they can be found and immediately deported. The number targeted is expected to be in the hundreds and possibly greater.

    Read the rest for the details, but the short version is that there has been vigorous internal debate inside the Obama administration about this policy, and it has not been signed off on officially. The administration has long signaled that families crossing over illegally who do not qualify for asylum will be deported. But advocates have been urging the administration to treat these migrants as refugees, because experts believe that violence in Central America is a key reason for their efforts to cross the southern border.

    In a preview of more to come, a leading immigration advocate, Frank Sharry of America’s Voice, told me that there will be intense pressure on the Democratic presidential candidates — particularly likely nominee Hillary Clinton — to denounce the new policy. Sharry pointed out that this could force Clinton to decide whether to align with immigration advocates and Latinos, as she’s been doing in hopes of winning the Latino vote by a huge margin in the general election, which would mean breaking with the Obama administration and adopting a position that Republicans will attack as weak on immigration enforcement.

    “This will be a political nightmare for the Democrats,” Sharry told me. “The specter of raids picking up families and sending them back to violent countries is going to put Hillary Clinton in a difficult position. She’ll have to choose between protecting refugees from Central America, a demand of the Latino community, or standing with the law-and-order position of Obama and Republicans.”

    Clinton has faced a similar predicament before. In 2014, when the crisis of unaccompanied children crossing the border dominated the news, Clinton triggered an outcry from immigration advocates when she suggested that they should be “sent back.” Clinton subsequently clarified her position, arguing that the process should be improved so those children who are genuine refugees would be recognized and treated as such. But the episode called into question whether Clinton can take Latino support for granted.

    The new moves also may threaten to blur the contrasts that Democrats have been working hard to draw with Republicans. The rise of Donald Trump — with his call for mass deportations and fondness for insulting millions of immigrants — has helped drag the GOP ever rightward on immigration and has Democrats dreaming of a 2012-level victory among Latinos in 2016, a demographic edge that would be very hard for Republicans to overcome. Sharry suggested that if the Dem nominee doesn’t full-throatedly condemn the new policy, it could compromise the sharp contrast Dems have etched.

    Indeed, one can imagine Trump taking credit for the stepped-up deportations at one of his rallies, arguing that, by forcing a conversation about the true nature of the immigrant threat (which he likes to claim credit for doing), he has forced spineless elites to confront it. That could theoretically make it harder for Clinton to align with Obama. “The administration will be accused of being Trump-like with immigrants,” Sharry said. “She’ll have to choose.”

  99. S
    Well said.
    I also have a problem with her telling the UN when they were trying to pass a blashemey law that she would use shame and peer pressure to deal with disses to the prophet. Screw her I walue my first amendment rights. Christianity is made fun of relentlessly as is Judaism. She sees fit to oblige to use shame.

  100. S

    I do not mean to offend you in any way…just open an honest dialogue about what each person running plans on doing with the power they will inherit…I care more about that than any one person…

    ———
    I hear what you are saying, and I too have been giving my honest opinion of both Hillary and Trump.

    Up to a certain point, I agreed with Trump…and I am one of the only people that brought his ideas to Big Pink after 2008, and people made nasty comments about him then, his hair, what a joke he was, just a tv lunatic, that I stopped posting my thoughts about him.

    I didn’t ever think that Trump was better than Hillary, but I did prefer some of his ideas, such as the fence and I also stated many times that I never was as far left as Hillary on immigration.

    At some point Trump’s big mouth, half truths have become louder and more obnoxious to me. I do not jump on any political bandwagon, just because I am out numbered in my community or on this blog.

    I have thought about leaving Big Pink in the past several months because it is so frustrating to be painted as someone that is ‘loyal’ and isn’t effin’ thinking clearly. If I had half a brain, I would be up Trump’s bum like most of the folks here. I’ve stayed, not because I agree with the majority of Pinkers sentiment, not because I am ‘loyal’ but because, agree or disagree, over the last 8 years, many of you have become my internet friends. For now, that’s just the way I roll.

    I gave up in 2008 trying to change people’s minds on how to vote. I still feel the same way.

    I see Hillary’s flaws and I see the strengths in her that inspire me and have since the 90’s. Trump has some good ideas, I have always said this…but I do not admire him, I do not respect him and the nastier he gets, the less chance I have of being on his side.

    If Hillary lost the Primary would I vote for Trump now…of course, but that won’t happen.

    If Hillary and Trump had real debates, like two adults and Trump was not a big mouthed shockjock…I would love to see them battle this out. Who has the best plan, the best ideas is what it should be about…not trying to embarrass, bully or out shock the other.

  101. Shadowwfax
    Was she not doing the same thing by lying about him with regards to being a recruitment tool used by isis. ANyhow Merry Christmas.

  102. Shadow…I consider you an “internet” friend…whether we always agree or not…

    I would only add…just keep in mind…that EVERYONE…from BOTH parties has taken every low blow shot at Trump…so what is a type A personality to do…of course he is going to respond…and most people are not used to the force of nature he is when he responds…(Trump reminds me of Bill…he will not go down no matter what…he will fight on)

    just take a look at Dana Milbank’s ongoing comments about DT…we could go on and on regarding how all the establishment and elites have attacked Trump and in truth, often misquoted him and slanted what he is saying …ie, he never said ‘immigrants’ were rapists…he said many illegal immigrants that are rapists and worse are here…that is one of the truths no one wants to hear but now that it is out in the open we find that there is alot more of that kind of behavior than the establishment ever wanted us to know about Why has the establishment kept that hidden for so long?

    …he has been called a bigot, racist, bully, buffon, carnival barker, accused of raping his first wife Ivana…on and on…

    Is that fair? the media and the establishment of both parties have bonded to make him a joke and take him out…they magnify everything he says…and repeat it for days with full blown panels to analyze every phrase from every side from here to Timbuktu…

    the only thing that is keeping him going so far are the people…because we are so fed up with the lies, the backroom deals and getting screwed by our leaders…

    contrary to what the media and his opponents have to say…Donald is not the only one who is aggressive, uses tactics that are meant to embarrass, bully or shock others

    they all do it…I have heard Hillary say some REAL whoppers…as of late she often sounds so over the top that it really is hard to listen to …almost with a hard edge of desperation…not inspiring…she usually sounds so angry…

    so bottom line, it is not all DT, he if very often on the receiving end of the bullying but he soldiers on…

    …a bit OT…but have you seen the Dims are now copying DT with blue hats that say “make the Senate blue again” there is a photo of O and MO wearing the hats

    nothing freaking original about these people…and yet, they want to go after DT…and then try to steal his ideas…

    DT is a leader…he is not afraid to be outfront and original…he will break the proverbial eggs to make the omelet…everyone else just follows the status quo…

  103. henry
    December 24, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    ——
    I wasn’t going to dip into that can of worms, but time will tell if Hillary was right or not.

    I can’t say that I have scoured all ISIS recruiting sites to see if Trump is on any of them. I can say that bombing the Hell outta their sources of oil income and ISIS strongholds, and baring all Muslims from the US…Trump will be on their hit list, and possibly his properties outside of the US.

    You also have to see that when Trump is called on the carpet for some of the things he has said, that can be declared a lie…his reply is that he read it somewhere in the news…and the media is to blame.

    I hope you and all Big Pinkers that celebrate Christmas…have a wonderful one!

  104. I don’t care if Trump is being used for propaganda. Some fuck joins a murderous cult because his feelings were hurt? Give me a break blame it on Trump but not mosques people sit in their entire lives. Meanie Trump insults so you become a killer. What a load of crap. By even suggesting it and her other words in defense of the prophet she is saying we have to watch what we say.

  105. Yes, Merry Christmas to admin and to all the commenters here who make Hillaryis44.org the best political forum around in the net.🎅

  106. Shadowfax,
    It’s one of the million emojis that comes with the keyboard on my iPad. Again, Merry Christmas!☃🎄

  107. jms
    December 24, 2015 at 12:18 pm
    ———–
    There is a lot of truth to what you say.

    The grave stone of W.C. Fields reads: all things considered, I would rather be here than in Philadelphia.

    However, there even in Philadelphia there is the wisdom of the street.

    In that venue, they ask only two questions about there politicians:

    1. Is he,she like me?

    2. Can I trust him/her?

    The reader will decided for herself/himself

    Whether Trump or Hillary passes those tests

    I know where I stood in 2008.

    And I know where I stand today.

    Two different times.

    Two different candidates.

  108. Jebedia does a great impression of a deer in the headlights when Trump attacks him. Pretending to be a deer, that is a tough business too, and you cannot get there by insulting deer flies.

  109. As I see it, Jebediah is insulting Trump.

    Trump calls him a really nice man.

    And Jeb lauches into a hysterical tirade.

  110. Tony,

    Your iPad…nice!

    Merry Christmas to you too. Thinking of going to midnight mass…it’s been a long time, but something calls me.

  111. Merry Christmas, everyone!

    (Hannukah is over, Ramadamawhatever is over – it’s just Christmas now)

    Though there is still New Year’s. Probably we should stop saying “Happy New Year”, because January 1st is not the Chinese New Year – maybe not New Year for others, either – and we could hurt their feelings by saying “Happy New Year” when it’s not their New Year. I’m surprised our younger generation, academia, and certain politicians haven’t thought of this yet!

    BTW, if anyone is interested, the 2nd Hallmark channel (the one which plays a lot of mystery-movie series) is playing one thing until around 5 pm PST on Christmas day. It’s a shot of a roaring fireplace, stockings, a Christmas tree with presents, and they’re playing all Christmas music in the background – and with “a happy dog and cat”.

    The dog and cat come and go in the area in front of the fireplace. The dog and cat get along, even sit next to each other (sometimes they put a big pet bed in front of the fireplace) – but they don’t seem to engage with each other, they don’t snuggle or anything. The cat was scratching her nails on the firewood once, and one time she wanted the dog to move, so she batted the dog on the nose lol

    Merry Christmas!

    Счастливого Рождества!

  112. BTW, if anyone is interested, the 2nd Hallmark channel (the one which plays a lot of mystery-movie series) is playing one thing until around 5 pm PST on Christmas day. It’s a shot of a roaring fireplace, stockings, a Christmas tree with presents, and they’re playing all Christmas music in the background – and with “a happy dog and cat”.

    The dog and cat come and go in the area in front of the fireplace. The dog and cat get along, even sit next to each other (sometimes they put a big pet bed in front of the fireplace) – but they don’t seem to engage with each other, they don’t snuggle or anything. The cat was scratching her nails on the firewood once, and one time she wanted the dog to move, so she batted the dog on the nose lol

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  114. It is interesting. Well, perhaps, only to me. But someone made the point that the reason Putin was successful in this endeavors was because everyone but him played by the so-called rules, and if everyone behaved like he did, you would have chaos. I am not sure you would have chaos, but you might well have nuclear war, and the survival of the fittest.

    Likewise, part of the reason Trump has been so wildly successful is because he violates all the rule as well. Under the establishment playbook, big media is supposed to pretend they are an honest broker while they are destroying conservative, protecting the establishment and promoting big government. Republicans are supposed to cower in public, while demanding under the table payoffs from donors, and playing the game of failure theater. And democrats are supposed to race bait, sell out the middle class, and promote world government. An entire literature of political correctness and racial McCarthyism are unleashed on anyone who defies those rules.

    COMES NOW DONALD TRUMP. He says what everyone is thinking about this Potemkin Village called Washington. He points out how fundamentally dishonest, and corrupt they all are. And how they are destroying this nation. And they hate it like hell, these Harvard trained betters. They swear they will support anything it takes, treason if necessary, to make the cookie monster go away. They agony is a beautiful thing to behold. Their treachery, which is yet to come, will be the final nail in their coffin. In the meantime however, note that the people you see on stage from both parties are unable to deal with this because they are programatic not spontaneous, and scions of the old order.

  115. Brittle, not authentic, phonier than a $3 bill.

    That is what an establishment politician is.

    The one thing he is not is a public servant.

  116. I would be very surprised if Roger Stone is really and truly gone from the Trump campaign.

    Trump is making too many good moves, more Machiavellian than his benighted adversaries, to believe that is really true.

    It takes a guy trained by Lee Atwater, as I seem to recall Stone was, to take on the corrupt political world and bend it to your will.

  117. By Super Tuesday, we will know half the truth.

    By the end of the convention we will know the other half.

    And god help the party if the two do not mesh.

    Odds are, they will not.

    The deranged comments by Will and Kristol suggest they would burn the village to save it.

  118. shadowfax…just giving my analysis and observations like everyone else as part of the ongoing discussion and frankly part of the topic of this post…we do not have to agree that is not a problem for me and hopefully not for you…

  119. To put a finer point on it

    They would burn the village TO SAVE THEIR OWN ASS.

    We have a word for people like that:

    Terrorists.

  120. I still say it is Trump’s time. The GOP elite may be willing to destroy their Party to stop him, but likewise the Obolacrats will do to theirs to stop Hillary. They are rooked. A race to the bottom.

    As for Roger Stone, he may well have left Trump’s campaign, but he is still fighting for him in the trenches. That book coming out on the Bush’s is death blow to Jeb’s campaign. They really are malignancies.

    The elite and political class have brought this on themselves with their corruption and greed. Plain and simple. They lost sight of the responsibility of their wealth and privilege. Globalization has become the pursuit of sociopaths trying to take over the world. The peoples of the nations are becoming aware but do not seem to have the power to stop this. I think it is going to have to be up to the American People. THIS is who we were as a people, the free and the brave, may we be so again.

    So we do not know who Trump is. Maybe he is just another megalomaniac. Then we are no worse off than before, because that is what we have now. What do you think he may just be someone who wants save the world?

    Now, wouldn’t that be an achievement.

  121. If you could, through genetic mapping, and by assuming all the factors that can limit or extend life, know how long you had to live, the years, the months, the days, the minutes and the seconds, would you lead your life any different? Would you even want to know. Or is like that question, will it be a girl or a boy, or shall we just wait and see? And, if you were part of an expedition to colonize Mars, could you escape all the problems of planet earth, including, most of all, the despicable political class would you go? And would you behave any different? Nathaniel Hawthorne gave a half answer to these questions in Twice Told Tales. Sir Richard offers a more contemporary one in the following article. In the end, the godless west will perish–because it rejects God, and the possibility of God. It sees only the State, which proves at least, that there is a Hell.
    —————
    Why humanity should thrive on Mars while billions of humans were being dragged back to the 8th century on Terra is the unasked question in GQ’s Elon Musk interview. What possible advantage could a comparative handful of settlers possess on a pioneer planet that technologically advanced humans on earth could lack?

    One possible answer was that on Mars people could escape not only from ISIS but also from the dead hand of establishment politicians. Their rely for their survival as much to freedom as much as quarantine from “Salafi jihadism”. The GQ interview with Musk contains this fascinating exchange: he is asked who gave him permission to colonize Mars?

    NASA Mars missions are currently forbidden to even land near potential areas of liquid water, in case small bio-organisms from Earth contaminate Mars. Musk is a little dismissive of these concerns. “As far as we can see now, there’s no evidence of life on the surface of Mars at all—the best case is really that there’s subterranean microbial life. That’s what we’re talking about as, like, the most amount of life that would exist.”
    But whether life exists on the planet or not, there seems to be a moral issue worth raising: Is Mars ours to mess with?

    To Musk, this is missing the point. “There’s certainly no moral issue if there’s no life,” he insists. “I mean, in fact, it would be, I think, sort of immoral not to do it, if it meant preservation of life on Earth as we know it.”

    Either way, when it comes to these big decisions about terraforming, he’s also clear about how they should be made, and by whom: “This would be up to the Martians.”

    The Martians. By which he means—and Musk can talk in a way that makes a thought like this sound not only sane, but sensible—those of us who choose to become interplanetary pioneers.

    Is Mars ours to mess with? You can almost hear HIllary asking this question: what about Climate Change? But for Musk the freedom from this question is as important as anything else. Like CS Lewis in his Space Trilogy series he seems to regard the planetary frontier as providing moral opportunities as much as conferring technological or resource advantages. The case from Mars matters hinges on the possibility we can tell the truth there, long after we have been obliged to lie on earth. Space exploration matters because it advances the cause of freedom and not just expands the scope of real estate.

    It is odd how Lewis anticipated problem. His protagonist, Dr. Elwin Ransom, does not see the Solar System as consisting of rocks. It consisted of more bits and therefore, more choices. His hero muses “he had read of ‘Space’: at the back of his thinking for years had lurked the dismal fancy of the black, cold vacuity, the utter deadness, which was supposed to separate the worlds. … he now saw that it was the womb of worlds, whose blazing and innumerable offspring looked down nightly even upon the earth with so many eyes-and here, with how many more! No: Space was the wrong name.”

    This is precisely the opportunity which the faithless PC Western world cannot grasp. The world is facing a moral and spiritual threat, that it cannot even recognize, because they have no notation for that dimension. “Salafi jihadism” is the ultimate stealth weapon against the Western elite who cannot see it lest they see themselves.

    Like the Christmas Star, a light hangs in the firmament unnoticed except by the Wise. But for them it shines out. As Lewis put it: “be confident small immortals. You are not the only voice that all things utter, nor is there eternal silence in the places where you cannot come.

  122. Lu4PUMA
    December 25, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    I watched the short video of the Ardennes. Towards the end it shows our solders, hardly more then boys, celebrating Christmas a day late, the camera ‘pans” to show the dear smiling faces of our young men who saved the world in their time and I wept. “THIS is who we were as a people, the free and the brave, may we be so again.”

    https://youtu.be/U96GeYWUUt8

    “Globalization has become the pursuit of sociopaths trying to take over the world. The peoples of the nations are becoming aware but do not seem to have the power to stop this. I think it is going to have to be up to the American People. THIS is who we were as a people, the free and the brave, may we be so again.
    So we do not know who Trump is. Maybe he is just another megalomaniac. Then we are no worse off than before, because that is what we have now. What do you think he may just be someone who wants save the world?
    Now, wouldn’t that be an achievement.”

  123. S

    we do not have to agree that is not a problem for me and hopefully not for you…

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    We don’t have a problem S, we just disagree. Merry Christmas.

  124. This is a paste and run from Drudge.
    REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 39.3%, CRUZ 12.8%, CARSON 9.6%, RUBIO 8.5%… MORE…

  125. How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love The Donald for Xmas
    BY ROGER L SIMON

    In a recent op-ed — “If Trump wins the nomination, prepare for the end of the conservative party” — the always articulate George Will expresses the angst many establishment (and some not-so-establishment) Republicans feel about their frontrunner:

    If you look beyond Donald Trump’s comprehensive unpleasantness — is there a disagreeable human trait he does not have? — you might see this: He is a fundamentally sad figure. His compulsive boasting is evidence of insecurity. His unassuageable neediness suggests an aching hunger for others’ approval to ratify his self-admiration. His incessant announcements of his self-esteem indicate that he is not self-persuaded. Now, panting with a puppy’s insatiable eagerness to be petted, Trump has reveled in the approval of Vladimir Putin, murderer and war criminal.

    It’s hard to dispute Will’s analysis, as far as it goes, but it only goes so far. No doubt The Donald exhibits some of the traits of an inferiority complex, but the real question is, SO WHAT?????????????? As Joe E. Brown says to Jack Lemmon at the end of Some Like It Hot, “Nobody’s perfect.”

    All the Republican candidates have their flaws, as does, in spades, the woman far at the front of the Democratic pack, described almost twenty years ago by William Safire in one of the most prescient op-eds ever as a “congenital liar.”

    But my interest here is not in detailing everyone’s weaknesses — I like to remain friends with people — but, as a Christmas present to the angst-ridden, to try to explain how Trump’s flaws can be turned to the advantage of Republicans and conservatives. This is particularly important if, as appears highly possible, he wins the nomination. What do we do about it?

    The answer is obvious. The solution to conservative angst over Trump is simple: stop criticizing him, co-opt him.

    If you want Donald Trump to be your friend, if you want him to be as conservative as Ronald Reagan, love The Donald to death. He will be your friend for life. And he will do what you wish, mostly. Praise every conservative statement out of his mouth and ignore the rest. It will probably change anyway.

    And speaking of the fine art of ignoring, this leads me to something that Will, Charles Krauthammer and other of our best political minds seem to ignore themselves. Trump has kicked ideology to the curb for good reason.

    Whether Trump realizes it or not, and I think he does, the situation in the USA has outgrown the finer points of political theory — left, right and center or anywhere in between. It’s far graver than that.

    Barack Obama has murdered America’s magnificent sense of optimism — the very thing that made this country unique, that propelled this country, and therefore much of the world, forward in a generally positive way through Republican and Democratic administrations.

    Now it’s the reverse. America, the global leader, is a despondent, pessimistic country, leaving a void to be filled by the worst imaginable actors like ISIS. Donald Trump wants to make her great again. Bravo for him. That is something we should all be applauding this Christmas. In fact, it is the most important thing of all.

    So if Donald does get the nomination, that’s what I’ll be focusing on. First, we need our country back. We can worry about the ideological implications later. Merry Xmas.

  126. “I gave up in 2008 trying to change people’s minds on how to vote. I still feel the same way.”

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    Well said, Shadow. Also, agree with your comments about Trump. I’ve said it before: If the GE is between Trump and Hillary, she will most likely lose. That said, I’m still offended by his crudeness and will call him out on it as I see it. My concern is that he (as POTUS) might cause unnecessarily an international crisis or damage otherwise good relationships with world leaders. How will he talk to Putin once their bromance is over? How about the unstable Kim Jong-un who’s ego is just as prickly as Trump’s? Also, Trump at his nastiest could very well incite more attacks by ISIS on USA soil. He may have a “winning” political strategy now, but how will he work with Congress or the Dems if he’s president? Regarding his has many businesses across the globe, how will his policies and actions not conflict with those businesses? Perhaps these concerns don’t matter as much to others, but they still do to me. On the domestic front, he may or may not accomplish great things. We just don’t know.

    Thanks to Admin’s analysis, we see how effective Trump’s (insulting) strategy has been thus far. As for Hillary, now what? We know pretty much everything she’s doing wrong. But how does she effectively campaign against a bully at this point? When bullying and crudeness prevail in the discourse as a political strategy, not much else gets attention. Indeed, what to do when you bring a knife to the fight and your opponent brings a nuke?

  127. Hillary is losing the middle class, blue dog dem’s and personally I don’t care how much Donald comes across as a bully, whatever the eff, if he saves America … well I will be happy …… or if he even makes an ATTEMPT it will be more than what Obummer and Hillary are offering.

    I grieve over the loss of Hillary …. she smoozes with the Latinos, the Muslims, the gay, lesbian and trans … but I really don’t see her taking up the cross for JUST Americans

    Would I like to see a woman in the office ..HELL yes, but Hillary I am afraid is not the woman.

    For all of you who hated Obama .. how can you stand with Hillary????? She has become Obama in a pantsuit and has already stated she will be Obama on steroids and she’ll continue ALL of his disastrous programs but as well make them MIGHTIER

    I just don’t see how anyone who loathed Obama could love Hillary

  128. When bullying and crudeness prevail in the discourse as a political strategy, not much else gets attention.

    Trixta, I don’t think that is what is prevailing. What is prevailing are his ideas, and the belief of people that he means to do what he says (ie, the not-a-politician benefit).

    As far as bullying – well, a lot of feel rather bullied the last 7 years, all the race cards thrown at us. A lot of us cringe a bit at the crudeness, but we understand he is a quintessential New Yorker, and that’s the style. But cringe or not, his supporters I think all revel in the feeling that he will work for us, and he will be strong, and mean what he says. I want change, I’m not going to wait for perfection (which no candidate can offer).

    He makes a crude joke about Hillary in the bathroom. Regretful? Certainly. Unnecessary? Absolutely. A deal breaker? In no way. It’s not my job to protect Hillary or any other receiver of a crude joke. But it’s my duty as an American to do what I think will most likely save America.

    I’m very worried about America. Hillary will do fine (and she even said that much in 2008).

  129. Streiff pays a well deserved compliment to Greg Sargent, an Obama worshiper way back. Trump would not bother with cretin such as Sarge, but if he were to do so, he would give him the Jebedian treatment, and call him a nice man before kicking him in the balls. Streiff forgoes such formalities, and pretends to Cleveland Browns field kicking legend, Lou Groza, and I am sure at some trendy Georgetown bar right about now, Sargent’s eyes are bugging out more than Wallace Berry, and his drinking companions are saying Sarge, are you alright, the answer to which is obvious.
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    I’m not a huge fan of the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent. He’s one of the cadre of lefty bloggers that emerged on the scene in the late 90s/early 2000s. He has never worked in politics (one might say worked, period), he has no background in policy formulation, he’s not terribly astute and about anything concerning Conservatives or Republicans he’s close to ass-ignorant, but he is a good weather vane for the received wisdom of the Democrat political class.

  130. When bullying and crudeness prevail in the discourse as a political strategy, not much else gets attention.
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    Well, perhaps.

    Then again you could argue the opposite.

    Lenin did.

    “To make an omlette, an egg must be broken”.

    Political correctness is a much bigger problem.

    Because when political correctness prevails, everything grinds to a halt.

    This gets into the whole business of “that’s not who we are!”

    Political tripe.

  131. Lorac, not at all (Dec 25th @ 8:3l pm). I appreciate your comments. They are thoughtful and always well intentioned and expressed. Thank you for not injecting other meanings or motives to my comments. I strive to speak plainly on the matter here.

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