The Glory Of Thanksgiving As We Battle To Save The West

Jesus, Trump, Putin, Star Wars, ISIS, Thanksgiving.

At his moment of great peril, Jesus Christ, the Nazarene, quoted from the Torah, the Pentateuch. The citation was not from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, nor from Numbers. The wisdom came from the Book of Deuteronomy.

In what is known as the Temptation of Christ, a very hungry Jesus, fasting for forty days in the wilderness, is tempted by Satan to turn stones into bread. In effect this temptation would have Jesus abandon both his heritage and his mission on Earth.

The citation by Jesus is effective in repelling the wily Satan. The quote is relevant in our own time.

Jesus reached back to a time when the nation of Israel was at a similar perilous crossroads. In Deuteronomy, the great Moses, who led his people from captivity, exhorts and chastises them to not stray from their G_d, and to stay true to their purposes in history. Moses too fasted for forty days as he received the tablets of the Covenant with it’s contractual Commandments and he too found himself in the wilderness on a mountain, so the Jesus quote is at the very least a literary masterstroke.

Here we have two figures, both quite conscious of destiny and the need to remain steadfast to their duty, at a moment of great peril. So what is the quote from Moses that Jesus (Matthew 4:4) cited? Here is the full quote from Moses and we will highlight the sentence Jesus utilized to repel temptation to weakness and failure:

He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD.

Yup! Men, Women, do not live by bread alone. We are more than lumps of protoplasm adrift in the tides of history. It is a lesson from Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor, and it is a long struggle between the materialist philosophy Marx espoused and those of the wise who understand other nourishments are required. Star Wars‘ fictional Yoda understands we are more than “this crude matter”.



“I don’t believe it.” “That is why you fail.” Without the belief there is failure. Which brings us to Trump, Putin, ISIS, and Thanksgiving by way of Ross Douthat of the New York Times:

The deep reality here (a reality not unlike the one that’s playing itself out on certain college campuses right now) is that many human beings, especially perhaps young human beings, still crave a transcendent purpose, even in a society that tells them they don’t really need one to live a comfortable, fulfilling life. And more than that, many people experience both a kind of liberation and a kind of joy in submission to these purposes, even — as is the case with ISIS — when that submission involves accepting forms of violence and cruelty that rightly shock the conscience of the world.

This joy is not something that our culture is conditioned to expect or accept, let alone to counter.

Why does ISIS rise? Because their leaders and their followers believe in something. It is an evil something and a hideous something, but they believe in it and are willing to die for it.

The West, the values of the West, the heritage of the West, are in peril today because our leaders have abandoned everything about the West except its materialist component. Since 2011 we have written about Barack Obama’s “managed decline” of America. “Managed decline” of America, brought to you by Barack Obama.

The president of the United States, the one that is supposed to be the leader of the Free World, the champion of the West and its values will not defend the West because he and his cohort do not believe in our values.

So from Barack Obama’s “managed decline” of America a different voice emerges. That voice says “Make America Great Again”. “Make America Great Again” is a rational response to “managed decline”. Add to that Donald Trump’s instinctive defense of the West and its values and the power of his message becomes clear.

Vladimir Putin understands in his Slavic soul that indeed his Russia does not live by bread alone. Relatively speaking Russia is a rather devastated country. But Putin has shown a grit and determination to Make Russia Great Again and that is how he captures the loyalty of the Russian people.

Not that there is any equivalence between what Donald Trump says and wants and what Vladimir Putin espouses. Putin is not of the West. Putin is certainly not of the West that values freedom and liberty and other such “spiritual” values.

Trump is entirely a man of the West. His freewheeling discourses are entirely those of a man who delights in the exercise of free speech, the power of the individual, and the iconoclastic punches against an establishment that has lost its way and no longer possesses the consent of the governed.

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are a clash in values. Both are fierce advocates for their civilizations. Putin is ascendant now because Barack Obama has “managed declined” America’s role as leader of the Free World and therefore the authoritarian Putin has free reign.

Donald Trump wants to champion the West and all its values. What are those values? Our values are our Judeo-Christian heritage. Those values are why Donald Trump and Bibi Netanyahu sound battle cries with the same strength and purpose.

The spiritual heritage of the West is under attack. Notice how it is in the genre of Science Fiction and Fantasy that it is respectable to accept the spiritual and the transcendent? You can’t talk about G_d in the classroom but it is entirely OK to prattle about “The Force” and make Hollywood blockbusters about some make believe priesthood of warriors – just don’t mention the Apostles and how those twelve grew into a global civilization.

The leaders of the West believe the values of the West are a spent force. It’s why Angela Merkel seeks to reset the demographics of Germany with an alien soft invasion to counteract the decline in birthrates in her country. It’s sort of a “managed invasion” of the culture, heritage and values of a Western democracy – from the inside!

Throughout the West we see our great institutions reject pillars of the West such as free speech for the nonsense of “safe zones” stripped of Western values. First it was kick out Jane Austen and Shakespeare, then all white men who wrote the literature that make us who we are.

We see the rise of silly “movements” such as Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter because, aside from the manipulators who initiate these “movements” for their political profit – many young Americans are looking for something to believe in.

It used to be that the young, yearning for something to believe in would turn to cult religions that turned them into profitable sales groups hawking incense and refuge for the lonely or adrift. Now, we have political manipulators who create “movements” for those left unmoored by a society and culture that does not quench the soul of it’s thirst for a spark of the divine that is in us all.

And that is the glory of Thanksgiving. It is on Thanksgiving that the table is set with reflection on blessings.

This Thanksgiving weekend, with the rise of barbarism in the East, the threats from the North, and a global awakening of what might be gone if the West is lost, we find peace and hope. As the shadows rise and history repeats, we believe the West and the values of the West will be defended. This is a moment of great peril. It’s also a moment of great promise.



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126 thoughts on “The Glory Of Thanksgiving As We Battle To Save The West

  1. My wife is constantly being harassed for her views by her so called liberal “friends” on Facebook and other blogs she visits. She posted the following today on one site and I thought I would share, as she stated her thoughts more succinctly than I would:

    “Maybe I am a bit of a “Pollyanna”. I don’t care what CNN or the History Channel wants to make of Thanksgiving. I want to believe that the Indians (my paternal grandmother was 1/2 Seminole) and the settlers sat down and thanked God together for the harvest now called Thanksgiving. I want to believe that Christ was born on Christmas and not some other day of the year. I want to believe and know that our military and police are good people doing a very difficult job and are not all racists looking to hurt people.
    I am tired of Obama’s vision of America. I am tired of being told how wrong our country is and how we have pillaged the rest of the world. We are a good and kind people who give more to charity and to help others than any other civilization ever. We need optimism and love and hope. I am tired of being told that Christians are intolerant and evil. We have a right to believe as we choose just like everyone else. The most loving, giving people I’ve known in my life are Christians…Tithing to give to the poor, the homeless and the broken, long before the government took it over and told everyone how intolerant we are and that they can do it better. It is still Christians running soup kitchens, handing out sandwiches and providing warm clothes to those who need them. It is Christians filling shoe boxes, angel trees and stockings for those who don’t have as much. It is Christians running prison ministries and providing missionaries in the form of nurses and doctors to countries who need them. We do not need a criminal, a community organizer or a man with a huge mouth to run our country. We need someone to bring us together and restore the promise of our forefathers to provide stability and opportunity to everyone willing to work for it. We need to bring sanity back to our schools and restore respect for teachers and administrators. We need to protect our borders from evil people and stop being the garbage dump of the world. I know that my words fall on deaf ears of those who want to believe different and that is okay. I’m Just tired of watching this country I love falling apart. Rant done. Happy Thanksgiving”

  2. This post with comments, is a wonderful Thanksgiving Eve gift from the people at HillaryIs44. Thank you so much.

  3. Apparently the Obola administration gave the Turks the flight path of the plane that was shot down. How absolutely cowardly and incompetent. Do they think no one will figure this out? Did they think Putin is as immature and incompetent as they are?

    I sure hope this comes back to bite them. This administration is funding Terrorists and playing games that are outrageous. And the death tolls must be reaching the millions.

    ISIS is Obama’s baby. That is why he will not kill it. This is a horror.

    The Manchurian Candidate got nothing on this.

  4. Apparently the Obola administration gave the Turks the flight path of the plane that was shot down.

    Lu, are you talking about the passenger airliner or the fighter jet? Why would Obama have access to the flight plans of Russia, especially of a fighter jet? I can’t figure that out.

  5. lorac, it is the fighter jet, Russia must be giving US its flight path because they are both conducting air operations in Syria. If it was not in Turkey’s air space, how would the Turkey know where it was.

    I read some comments on another article. The comments were about how the educated turks would not vote for Erdogan and how elections are all rigged there to elect Erdogan. The growing Islamization of Turkey under Erdogan has been a topic for some years. Looks like he is following Pakistan’s Zia ul Haq’s example in Turkey. Instead of propping up educated middle class, these dictators are propping up peasants incited with religious ideology. Would be nice if mooonpluto could add to this.

  6. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-ecstasy-of-donald-trump/417870/

    The Ecstasy of Donald Trump

    As the public’s fear and loathing surge, the frontrunner’s durable candidacy has taken a dark turn.

    MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina—All politicians, if they are any good at their craft, know the truth about human nature.

    Donald Trump is very good, and he knows it better than most.

    Trump stands alone on a long platform, surrounded by a rapturous throng. Below and behind him—sitting on bleachers and standing on the floor—they fill this city’s cavernous, yellow-beige convention center by the thousands. As Trump will shortly point out, there are a lot of other Republican presidential candidates, but none of them get crowds anything like this.

    Trump raises an orange-pink hand like a waiter holding a tray. “They are not coming in from Syria,” he says. “We’re sending them back!” The crowd surges, whistles, cheers. “So many bad things are happening—they have sections of Paris where the police are afraid to go,” he continues. “Look at Belgium, the whole place is closed down! We can’t let it happen here, folks.”

    Four months into his crazed foray into presidential politics, Trump is still winning this thing. And what could once be dismissed as a larkish piece of political performance art has seemingly turned into something darker. Pundits, even conservative ones, say that Trump resembles a fascist. The recent terrorist attacks in Paris, which some hoped would expose Trump’s shallowness, have instead strengthened him by intensifying people’s anger and fear. Trump has falsely claimed that thousands of Muslims cheered the 9/11 attacks from rooftops in New Jersey; he has declined to rule out a national database of Muslims. The other day, a reporter asked Trump if the things he was proposing weren’t just like what the Nazis did to the Jews. Trump replied, “You tell me.”

    Some observers still think Trump’s support might be soft. Trump has dipped in the polls a couple of times, after a listless debate performance, for example. Perhaps the people who first glommed on to his celebrity got bored and drifted away. But if so, they didn’t find anybody else they liked. And they came back. And now, they are not leaving.

    “I have got my mind made up, pretty much so,” says Michael Barnhill, a 67-year-old factory supervisor with a leathery complexion and yellow teeth. “The fact is, politicians have not done anything for our country in a lot of years.”

    These people are not confused. They are sticking with Trump, the only candidate who gets it, who is man enough to show the enemy who’s boss.

    Barnhill is wearing a button he just bought from a vender outside the convention center. It says “TRUMP 2016: FINALLY SOMEONE WITH BALLS.”

    They seem so nice, your friends and neighbors. Your fellow Americans.

    “In today’s time, if I’m a white person who’s proud to be white, I’m a racist,” says 44-year-old Kevin Stubbs, a land surveyor who shared his Marlboro Reds with an African American T-shirt vender on the way in. “Yet a minority can say that.”

    “I do not feel safe,” says his fiancee, Loree Ballenberger, 42. “People are coming in across the border, and we have no idea where they are coming from.” She recently called her congressman to urge him to vote for a bill limiting Syrian refugees.

    “I remember seeing Muslims around the world celebrating after 9/11,” says Chip Matthews, a 63-year-old retired carpentry teacher in glasses with tinted lenses. So what if it was the Mideast and not New Jersey? “The basic point, I think, is true,” he says.

    “I look at the pictures of those refugees and they all look like able-bodied young men, 18 to 30 years old,” says his wife, Patrice Matthews, a 62-year-old retired school-district worker. Matthews doesn’t see why we have to be the ones to help these people. “It’s their country—they need to take it back,” she says.

    I hear versions of the point about able-bodied young men from five different people. I hear, over and over again, that illegal immigration is the biggest problem we face. Almost everyone says their second-choice candidate is Ted Cruz, the senator from Texas; many express a wish that he and Trump would run on the same ticket.

    Barnhill, the man with the “balls” button, says, “Like he says, people have got to abide by the law. And unfortunately, a lot of minorities don’t.”

    Jay Alter, a 49-year-old computer programmer in a tweed blazer, is here with his 15-year-old son. “Just because he thinks illegal immigrants and terrorists should be deported doesn’t make him a racist,” he says. “He’s calling it as it is. You’ll never see CNN do that.”

    “I grew up in Northern Virginia. I’m a big Washington Redskins fan for decades,” says 68-year-old Mike Long, a Navy vet and former defense contractor. “But all of a sudden you can’t say that anymore because it’s racist? It’s bullshit!”

    “I’m against the anchor babies, and I’m against the Muslims,” says Kathy Parker, a tiny former elementary-school teacher with gold hoop earrings. “We can’t have churches in their countries—why should they have mosques in ours? He is the only one with the guts to speak out and say it.”

    “We’re just tired of paying for people who don’t deserve to be here,” says Nina Lewis, a blue-eyed 33-year-old former sheriff’s deputy who is going back to school to be a veterinary technician. She has brought a giant handmade sign that says “TRUMP: FOR THE VOICE OF THE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS CITIZENS.” “He stands up for the blue-collar people everywhere. He speaks for us,” she says. There is no one else she would vote for.

    These people aren’t skinheads. They don’t seem like jerks. Most of them are wearing jeans. There are guys with mullets and satin jackets, and well-groomed young men in blue blazers with gold buttons. There are people with babies and people with canes. There are women in plaid shirts and women in tight dresses and matrons with pearl earrings. There are trucker-hat versions of Trump’s famous Make America Great Again cap, and camo versions, and one in hunting-vest blaze orange. There are a lot of couples. They are, it is true, overwhelmingly white people. Do you have a problem with that?

    The other night, at a Trump rally in Alabama, a black protester who shouted “Black lives matter!” was surrounded by white men who punched and kicked him. Far from apologizing for this, Trump is gloating about it: “What an obnoxious, terrible guy that was,” he tells the crowd in Myrtle Beach, who turn around and hiss at the press on his cue. In August, two Boston men said Trump inspired their vicious beating of a homeless Mexican immigrant. This week, a group of civil-rights protesters in Minneapolis was fired upon by four white men in masks and camouflage.

    So, America, it seems we do not like each other very much right now. But is this a momentary phenomenon, a passing, mad-as-hell instant? Or is this the eternal darkness of the human heart?

    Trump enters to Twisted Sister’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It,” because this whole thing is, at this point, way beyond parody. (“You’re so condescending/ Your gall is never-ending/ We don’t want nothin’, not a thing from you.”)

    Someone must have suggested to Trump, presumably not flatteringly, that his racial-wedge strategy resembled Nixon’s coded appeals to the “silent majority.” Trump, rather than deny it, put it on his signs: They say, in red cursive letters, “the silent majority stands with Trump.”

    I keep asking people what it means to them, and I can’t find anyone who gets the reference. “I think it means that there’s a lot of people who are afraid to speak
    their minds openly,” says 63-year-old Diane Rosa, who does not have that problem. She is wearing a cowboy hat covered in red sequins and silver stars.

    “Wow, look at this crowd!” Trump says. He does a slow 360-degree rotation at his lectern, putting both thumbs up and displaying himself for the masses. “Our country is going to start winning again really, really soon. Really soon.”

    Trump’s family is with him tonight, and he calls them up onstage: his wife, Melania; adult daughters Tiffany and Ivanka; his 9-year-old son, Barron; Ivanka’s husband Jared; Melania’s Slovenian parents. He summons Melania to the microphone. “Good evening,” she says, in her Slavic purr. “Isn’t he the best? He would be the best president ever! We love you!”

    At another point, Trump brings a man from the audience onto the stage. Stocky and fortysomething, he is wearing a blue suit, red tie, and shiny-blond wig. Trump calls out to his wife in the audience, “Are you happy with your husband?” After a beat: “She said yes! She fantasizes that he’s really the real Donald Trump!”

    It is fun to be here. Even the reporters, to whose perfidy Trump devotes a substantial chunk of his speech, are having fun—you never know what Trump is going to say, and you get a lot of airtime. “Sometimes it’s ‘bomb the hell out of ISIS,’ sometimes it’s ‘bomb the crap out of them,’ sometimes it’s ‘bomb the shit out of them,’” one network correspondent tells me. “Last night was the first time he said ‘ass,’” in reference to waterboarding, which Trump says—“you bet your ass”—he would resume.

    Despite all the negativity and fear, the energy in this room does not feel dark and aggressive and threatening. It doesn’t feel like a powder keg about to blow, a lynch mob about to rampage. It feels joyous.

    “There is so much love in every room I go to,” Trump says, near the end of nearly an hour and a half of free-associative bombast, silly and sometimes offensive impressions, and insane pronouncements. “We want our country to be great again, and we know it can be done!”

    Twisted Sister comes on again, and the people start filing out, pumped-up and smiling to each other. They file out past the pen where all the reporters are imprisoned—citing an unspecified Secret Service directive, the campaign has announced that reporters may not mingle with the crowd until Trump has left the building; one is escorted to the restroom while he is still working the rope line. (Last week, Trump’s campaign manager threatened to “blacklist” a CNN reporter who tried to leave the pen to film a protester.)

    The people wave and make faces at the press as they go by. One gray-haired lady in a sweatshirt keeps pointing at her butt and sticking out her tongue at us as she ambles by. She has a savage look on her face.

    This is the thing Trump knows: You can stand around fretting about truth and propriety and the danger of pandering to baser instincts.

    Or you can give the people what they want.

  7. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-ecstasy-of-donald-trump/417870/

    The Ecstasy of Donald Trump

    As the public’s fear and loathing surge, the frontrunner’s durable candidacy has taken a dark turn.

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    I posted this whole article but it may have gotten eaten up somehow…

    it is an interesting read…

    bottom line…it is hard for the elite media to believe, but Americans still like to think for themselves…

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  8. Turkey is funding ISIS and Obama is defending Turkey.

    None of what he does makes any sense UNLESS you see the forest for the trees.

    Siding with our enemies, dissing our friends, babbling on endlessly about moderate Muslims, the whole fucking sheebang has one purpose and one purpose alone:

    To hasten the demise of the United States as the center of the international order, and to substitute in its stead and place world government through Washington and Brussels, to break down the nation state as the primary structure of the world, just as progressives seek to breakdown the family domestically and have been at that task for two generations.

    Soros has spoken of this in his writings. Just as Hitler told us what he would do when he wrote Mein Kamf in Landsberg prison, Soros has told us repeatedly, but no one listened. Big media has taken his money and covered up for him. Brokaw and Moyers sit on his boards.

    This is a perfect illustration of why 70% of corporate mergers fail. Bad strategic fit, and/or a bad cultural fit. And here we have both. Its not the current state, or the end state that kills you. Its the transition. Unless it is handled deftly, chaos ensues. The fucking caviar eating elites in Washington and their hangers on thought this would all be easy.

    Wrong again
    Skip to my lou
    Wrong again
    Skip to my lou
    Wrong again
    Hang them too
    Skip to my lou my darling

    Putin is brutally frank. He seems to say: ‘we know Erdogan is making money but my agreement with Washington was that we were out of bounds.’ The Russian president said: (emphasis mine)

    We have long been recording the movement of a large amount of oil and petroleum products to Turkey from ISIS-occupied territories. This explains the significant funding the terrorists are receiving. Now they are stabbing us in the back by hitting our planes that are fighting terrorism. This is happening despite the agreement we have signed with our American partners to prevent air incidents, and, as you know, Turkey is among those who are supposed to be fighting terrorism within the American coalition.
    If ISIS is making so much money – we are talking about tens or maybe even hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars – in oil trade and they are supported by the armed forces of an entire state, it is clear why they are being so daring and impudent, why they are killing people in such gruesome ways, why they are committing terrorist attacks all over the world, including in the heart of Europe.

    We will of course carefully analyse what has happened and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences for Russian-Turkish relations.

    We have always treated Turkey not merely as a close neighbour, but as a friendly state. I do not know who benefits from what has happened today. We certainly do not. Moreover, instead of immediately establishing contacts with us, as far as we know Turkey turned to its NATO partners to discuss this incident. As if we had hit their plane and not the other way around.

    Putin is clearly holding Washington accountable for keeping Turkey to the proxy war rules. The most singular thing about the president’s press conference was how completely he avoided addressing the issue of whether Erdogan was a loose cannon. Instead he flew off into the most bizarre tangent possible at such a moment.

    next week, I will be joining President Hollande and world leaders in Paris for the global climate conference. What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists it will be when the world stands as one and shows that we will not be deterred from building a better future for our children.
    But there was no indication he was taking the Turkish wolf or the Russian bear in hand. Both were left to roam in the wild for the present. Interestingly, it was the French president, not Obama, who was most alive to the danger. Hollande is flying to Moscow to meet Putin whether to deliver an ultimatum or reassure the Russian president is unclear. In either case it is doubtful Putin will fully credit Hollande who is after all only a junior partner in NATO and can neither control Erdogan nor completely speak for Obama.

  9. yes, pm317…thanks, i read you your link…

    I think what it really all boils down to is that the average, free thinking, independent American people are just so fed up with the constant brainwashing the media and our government dumps on us all day long…

    the media and our govt pick the stories they want to us hear and just try to drum it in our heads nonstop while ignoring the stories they want to keep hidden…

    for example…this week we had the Chicago story about the police killing another young black person…and honestly, imho…there is no excuse for this kind of behavior from a policeman…whether the kid was doing something wrong or not, open fire like that…again, imho…is wrong…wrong…wrong

    not to mention all the other killing that goes on in Chicago that we know the media really does not want to analyze …or makes excuses for…

    so the media went nonstop with that story, especially CNN and MSNBC…full on panels to discuss over and over…

    BUT…here is the big BUT…

    we hardly heard a word about the two killers who not only murdered but raped and shot in the head that innocent young pregnant blonde woman/mother who was married to the young pastor

    Why? I honestly think they bury these stories because they do not want to offend anyone re: the crimes SOME black men inflict on others

    would they have covered that story differently if it were a crazed white kid(s)?

    …what bothers me is we have no balance…good vs bad on all sides…but the media…and our govt really only want to report one side and report it in the PC allowed way…the media…and our govt take sides and then they expect us to tow the line…

    **********

    and the American people know what is really going on…and we are sick of being lied and pandered to with BS

    i would rather see reality…and while they are at it…how about reporting some good that everyone…including young black and white men/women do…how about some stories that bring us together instead of pitting us against each other…

    but no, our media and govt are going full out to keep us picking sides and in opposition…and showing no sense of fairness…

    yeah, I am a dreamer…

    DT is speaking to a lot of this

  10. In the Doctor Strangelove world of Obama, ISIS is not a problem so long as it serves the purpose of breaking down the post world war II order. Erickson points out that Obama has cancelled 75% of the bombing mission against ISIS–and that right there should tell you something. All along, he has minimized the threat, and after Paris he is still giving them a pass, and preparing for a nuclear attack on the US while lecturing us the if it happens, we must not overreact. The only way any of this makes sense, and the way it ALL makes sense is if you realize that he sees himself as a change agent for a new world order, which diminishes the central role of the United States, and substitutes international bureaurats like Chairman Mo (Maurice Strong, Canadian oil billionaire, architect of the Rio Treaty on Global warming co founder of the green energy exchange–AND BUSINESS PARTNER OF GEORGE SOROS. Viewed in that light, it all makes sense. Every last piece of it.

  11. S
    November 27, 2015 at 11:38 am
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    If only they were perceptive enough to see the big picture.

    99% of the public does not.

    And to drag the dark movers behind the scenes in broad day light.

    At this point, Hillary is not part of the solution.

    Nor for that matter are the RINOS.

  12. The fact that Obama supports the Turks who are doing business with ISIS, and cancels bombing missions against ISIS, and tells us that we should not overreact if we are attacked, and calls ISIS jv should tell anyone with an IQ above room temperature that Obama at some level supports ISIS through his forebearance to act. And it confirms what I said above. Wake up!

  13. I hope Russia/Putin exposes (to lay people) what Obama, the Saudis and the Turk are up to. Turkey is basically stealing oil from Iraq and Syria using the barbarians and Obama is enabling it (which is why he does not want to bomb the trucks or other assets carrying that oil). There are stories that Erdogan’s son is involved. Like I said before only Egypt escaped the Obama cabal in the nick of time by overthrowing MB.

  14. this is kind of funny…

    wait until the media has to bite the bullet and start reporting how many independents, and democrats are supporting Trump, including former Hillary supporters…

    right now, the media is hiding behind ‘these are republican voters’…

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/27/a-bunch-of-people-were-shocked-at-thanksgiving-to-find-out-their-family-supports-donald-trump/

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    wobbei…I think DT is giving a lot of people “permission” to listen to their own intuition and thoughts…and believe what they see…not what they are being told…

    and if he has to be a loud mouth to give them that freedom…then so be it…

  15. Now you get the clear picture of what the Arab spring was all about — it was about installing Saudi-friendly regimes everywhere in the ME. A dog with a Democrat label (and Hillary was not it) would have won 2008 election. Now you see why and how Obama was propelled into that office.

  16. S
    November 27, 2015 at 11:56 am

    “I think DT is giving a lot of people “permission” to listen to their own intuition and thoughts…and believe what they see…not what they are being told…

    and if he has to be a loud mouth to give them that freedom…then so be it…”
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    S, if you are referencing the comment in my post above about us not needing “a man with a huge mouth to run this country”, I agree with you. My wife is not big fan of Trump (I am). If it takes someone like Trump to help wake up the sheep, then as you said, so be it. Many are beginning to feel empowered to speak their true thoughts, albeit sometimes still in whispers; but the noise is growing and the establishment is becoming uneasy.

  17. Hi Outris,

    …actually I wasn’t referencing that…however I do think many of us feel it is long due past time that someone have the nerve and the guts to just say it like it is…

    btw…your wife’s comments were well said…

    if you take a peek at that link above on the daily caller it seems like alot of people got a wake up call at Thanksgiving Dinner re: DT’s support…

    I wish my own father were around to see this…he would be saying “Give em hell, D”

    that generation doesn’t buy or put up with the nonsense we get fed every day…and at the expense of American families…

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  19. S,

    Thanks! I just read the Daily Caller thread. I find the pictures associated with the twitter posts somewhat telling.

  20. Arab Spring needs to come to Saudi Arabia. They are a brutal dictatorship who suppresses their people, funds terrorism throughout the world, and they are Soros allies.

  21. Hillary can’t see the truck heading her way:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/biden-leaves-town-advises-omalley-before-thanksgiving/article/2577142

    Biden leaves town, advises O’Malley before Thanksgiving [snip]

    Biden is also staying involved in the 2016 campaign, even though he decided not to run for the Democratic nomination himself. The vice president met Tuesday with former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, an underdog presidential candidate, at the Naval Observatory.

    Both O’Malley’s campaign and the vice president’s office have confirmed the meeting.

    Biden previously met with Hillary Clinton’s main challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, to talk campaign strategy.

  22. It’s over:

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/19/3713654/donald-trump-campaign-media/

    It Has Been The ‘Beginning Of The End’ Of Donald Trump’s Campaign Since July

    Since the day that Trump’s presidential campaign started, pundits from across the country have declared the “beginning of the end” of his run. They’ve said it on ABC, NBC, and CBS; on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX; in the Washington Post, the New York Times, and the LA Times. They said it when he insulted John McCain and when he insulted Megyn Kelly. They said it when he called Mexican immigrants rapists and when he made fun of Carly Fiorina’s face. So far, they’ve been wrong every time.

    Here are 33 quotes about the imminent demise of Trump’s candidacy:
    JULY

    Tim Skubick, MLive Michigan: “Donald Trump’s immigration remarks were beginning of his end.” [7/13/15]

    Nate Cohn, New York Times: “The beginning of the end of the Donald Trump surge.” [7/18/15]

    Bill Kristol, Weekly Standard: Advice to @realDonaldTrump: Apologize for this pronto. Otherwise beginning of end. Trump Attacks McCain for Being POW 12:35 PM – 18 Jul 2015

    Cecilia Vega, ABC News: “Some now predicting, Martha, this could be the beginning of the end for Trump’s candidacy.” [7/19/15, This Week]

    Ruth Marcus, Washington Post: “And I don’t think this is the end, but I think, and this may be a little bit wishful thinking, it might be the beginning of the end.” [7/19/15, Face The Nation]

    Julianna Goldman, CBS: “Republican strategists tell us they think this is the beginning of the end for Trump’s candidacy, but they don’t expect him to go quietly. Still, it will take a few days to see how these latest comments are affecting him in the polls.” [7/19/15, CBS Evening News]

    Kevin Madden, CNN: “Look, I don’t think the apology will matter. I think the original statement that he made is going to — so many people are going to find it offensive that this is probably starting of the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.” [7/20/15]

    Doug Heye, Republican strategist: “Republican Strategist Doug Heye says the McCain comments could be the beginning of the end of Donald Trump’s campaign.” [7/20/15]

    Lindsay Graham, U.S. Senator: “He’s becoming a jackass at a time when we need to have a serious debate about the future of the party in the country. And this is the beginning of the end of Donald Trump.” [7/21/15]

    Jonah Goldberg, Los Angeles Times: “The Trump squall is not over, alas. But it’s nonetheless obvious that we will someday soon look back on this as the beginning of the end of Trumpmania.” [7/22/15]

    AUGUST

    Abby Huntsman, CNN: “I think this could be the beginning of the end for Donald Trump.” [8/7/15]

    McCay Coppins, Buzzfeed: “[T]he case could be made that last night was the beginning of the end of the Trump bubble, because it was clear on both sides, from FOX News and from Trump, that there’s no love lost anymore between those two entities. And that’s important.” [8/7/15, MSNBC]

    Erick Erickson, Fox News: “‘I think he has disqualified himself,’ Erickson told reporters, adding that the episode ‘probably is the beginning of the end’ for Trump.” [8/8/15]

    Mark Halperin, Bloomberg Politics: “So I think going forward, the establishment, the other candidates, the press, it’s kind of an iron triangle saying Trump is dead. This is the beginning of the end.” [8/9/15, Bloomberg News]

    Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune: “Nevertheless, I believe we saw the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign on that stage in Cleveland” [8/9/15]

    Jeff Zeleny, CNN: “I’m beginning to think he may not ever be on a ballot at all because that is something his brand will not be able to tolerate, losing on the ballot. I think we’re seeing the beginning of the end.” [8/9/15]

    Ben Jacobs, Guardian: “GOP frontrunner’s jab at Megyn Kelly may be beginning of end.” [8/10/15]

    SEPTEMBER

    Cary Gibson, US News: “Could this be the beginning of the end of Donald Trump? Earlier this week, the Republican candidate made some, frankly, awful remarks about fellow candidate Carly Fiorina.” [9/11/15]

    Rand Paul, Presidential Candidate: “If Trump keeps up his sophomoric insults, particularly of women… and I think if he does that directly to a woman on stage, I think it’ll be the beginning of the end.” [9/16/15]

    Sara Fagen, CNBC: “[W]e will look back at last night’s debate and see it as the beginning of the end of Donald Trump’s grip atop the GOP field.” [9/17/15]

    Jamelle Bouie, Slate: “The good news is that this debate might mark the beginning of the end for Trump, who struggled to tackle substantive questions on foreign policy, his advisers, and what he’d actually do as president of the United States.” [9/17/15]

    Dana Milbank, Washington Post: “Could this be the beginning of the end of Donald Trump?” [9/17/15]

    Lynn Sweet, Chicago Sun-Times: “Last night was not the end of the road, but it could be the beginning of the end of the road or the beginning of the next chapter where the laws of political gravity impact [Trump].” [9/17/15]

    Chuck Todd, NBC: “I think this is the week we`re going to look back on and say maybe this was the beginning of the end of Trump ’16.” [9/18/15, NBC Nightly News]

    David Axelrod, CNN: “Q: [I]s this what the beginning of the end looks like for Donald Trump? AXELROD: I think so…I think Donald Trump failed the test at the end of the week when he was confronted with that questioner about the president’s — who accused the president, again of being a closet Muslim.” [9/19/15]

    Jonathon Capehart, Washington Post: “The beginning of the end of Trump.” [9/20/15]

    Jennifer Rubin, Washington Post: “The beginning of the end of Trump.” [9/24/15]

    Arianna Huffington, Huffington Post: “The Beginning Of The End for Trump: His Sarah Palin Moment.” [9/22/15]

    Ron Radosh, PJ Media: “The Beginning of the End for Trump’s Presidential Campaign.” [9/27/15]

    Robert Tracinski, The Federalist: “The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump? Donald Trump goes from winner to whiner.” [9/25/15]

    Harry Enten, 538: “Was The Second Debate The Beginning Of The End For Donald Trump?…Eight national polls of GOP voters have been conducted related to the Republican race for president since the debate, and they show a couple of clear winners and losers — Fiorina won; Trump lost.” [9/24/15]

    Matthew Dowd, ABC News: “I know we’re going to talk about the Pope in the next section, but what his contrast is, which is I think the beginning of the end of Donald Trump, in the course of this election. And I think you can put some of it on the Francis’ effect, which is the contrast between the Pope’s modesty, humility, compassion and Donald Trump’s emphasis on his narcissism, meanness, division.” [9/27/15, ABC This Week]

    Igor Bobic, Huffington Post: “We might be seeing the beginning of the end of Donald Trump. After failing to outshine his more energetic opponents in the second 2016 GOP presidential debate, Trump has begun to slide in national primary polling, according to both the Real Clear Politics polling average and the HuffPost Pollster average.” [9/27/15]

  23. Excellent explanation of how ISIS is being used to globalize us. “ISIS is a creation of the United States” That’s Obama.

  24. Green Fields Of France
    Eric Bogle

    Well, how do you do, Private William McBride,
    Do you mind if I sit down here by your graveside?
    And rest for awhile in the warm summer sun,
    I’ve been walking all day, and I’m nearly done.
    And I see by your gravestone you were only 19
    When you joined the glorious fallen in 1916,
    Well, I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
    Or, Willie McBride, was it slow and obscene?

    Did they Beat the drum slowly, did the play the pipes lowly?
    Did the rifles fir o’er you as they lowered you down?
    Did the bugles sound The Last Post in chorus?
    Did the pipes play the Flowers of the Forest?

    And did you leave a wife or a sweetheart behind
    In some loyal heart is your memory enshrined?
    And, though you died back in 1916,
    To that loyal heart are you forever 19?
    Or are you a stranger without even a name,
    Forever enshrined behind some glass pane,
    In an old photograph, torn and tattered and stained,
    And fading to yellow in a brown leather frame?

    The sun’s shining down on these green fields of France;
    The warm wind blows gently, and the red poppies dance.
    The trenches have vanished long under the plow;
    No gas and no barbed wire, no guns firing now.
    But here in this graveyard that’s still No Man’s Land
    The countless white crosses in mute witness stand
    To man’s blind indifference to his fellow man.
    And a whole generation who were butchered and damned.

    And I can’t help but wonder, no Willie McBride,
    Do all those who lie here know why they died?
    Did you really believe them when they told you “The Cause?”
    Did you really believe that this war would end wars?
    Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
    The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
    For Willie McBride, it all happened again,

    https://youtu.be/Kqba0IUdiBk

  25. The vice president met Tuesday with former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley

    (snip)

    Biden previously met with Hillary Clinton’s main challenger, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, to talk campaign strategy.

    This gave me a pang. Hillary probably feels so alone.

    Not that either of these two could beat her, without Obama-style cheating.

    She and Trump are both being attacked by both parties, but Trump isn’t in love with his own party, and does not have a history of a close relationship with it. Trump probably sees it as just another challenge to win. It’s got to be so much more to Hillary.

    I don’t like where she is with her policies, but I don’t like the thought of her being in pain.

    Hillary’s being attacked by both sides is probably very painful

  26. lorac – if i may comment …I think we are all in pain. I have felt lost in the wilderness since 2008. Ripped away from my party – ex Dem …. can no longer speak to family regarding important issues because they are so entangled in progressive group think people are defending the indefensible ( I wonder how feminists can run around using the phrase “religion of peace” as women are being stoned to death, raped and mutilated, children sexually enslaved – I have been informed this is cultural and not religion but how you separate the two in a theocracy who knows ). I know longer go to former Hillary sites because they hate her and her connection to him. They also hate any group that appears to support him or has appeared to gain anything from his pandering – for example I’m gay and was run off from my regular site because I was told that it was “unnatural” and “narcissistic” for me to have had a child. and selfish because I didnt adopt though as a gay person it was not allowed in my state … etc. Even here – HRC supporters are attacked. There is no way to wade thru the media lies without exhaustive amounts of reading, research and comparison. We are all at each others throats. We are at the precipice of WW3.. Im starting to look at Putin as a hero a man who runs a country that imprisons and tortures gay people. Oh well – at least the syrians kill the gay men quickly by tossng them off buildings. (sigh ) It feels like there is no where to go discuss anything anywhere with anybody. I really believe she is scared and threatened. I wish she wasnt running. I pray if she actually gets the nomination and actually wins she (and Bill) end up not being the globalists she appears to be now and somehow is able to “right the ship” . My candidate is in there somewhere. As for me I am tired of wandering the wilderness alone. And deeply DEEPLY angry with progressives and what they have done to my country.

  27. Great post Admin. Sad to say my sister and her husband remain steadfast in the Obama corner, so much so that they support Turkey’s actions.
    Never were there so many too blind to see…

  28. The Democratic Party died in 2008. We saw the assault on democracy that put BO in power. You only have to look at ISIS, the creation and tool of the BO administration, to know the nature of the what they are. They will drive their agenda to the end, even if it costs Hillary the election.

    Most here came together our of outrage over the assault on democracy, as mush as any admiration for Hillary. Hillary has kept her hand in the game, but it has become such a dirty came, that she has picked up a lot of it. I do not know how she can pull this off, if she gets the nomination. Right now, I would not touch her with a 10 foot pole.

    I still say that the economy is the wild card. The energy sector is in trouble. If oil prices continue to stay down, there will be massive defaults coming. I am hearing, just another 4 months away. I would guess, they will be trying to use their fabricated terrorists to destroy oil supplies and drive the price back up. Then they will blame Trump for suggesting they bomb the oil. Really, the only thing they needed to do, is stop buying it from ISIS.

  29. “The Republican establishment is nearing full-blown panic about Donald Trump.” http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/261252-gop-in-panic-over-trump
    “Robinson, who is not affiliated with any candidate, was scathing toward those GOP centrists who assert that Trump will be unable to translate his polling support into votes because of a weak ground game.”
    “That is the wishful thinking of the establishment,” he said. “That is what they tell themselves so they can sleep at night. The truth is, Trump has one of the better ground operations in Iowa. Will he turn out every single person who shows up at his rallies? No. But if he turns out a fraction, he will roll over the field.”

    The consultant class and media thought this guy wasn’t serious. They thought only they were the pros and he had to dance to their tune. They thought the donor class and the establishment candidates would be picked by them. They thought the great unwashed had been beaten back on open borders, crooked trade deals, and rigged regulation to global climate change. They thought he had no ground game because he wasn’t paying THEM and just went around giving ego driven speeches when he was using those cheap venues to sign up volunteers and send in his organizers without making self serving consultant class “announcements” of ground game in the local rags. They didn’t know or didn’t pay attention to what he was up to because he was going to flame out any day now and isn’t spending ten million dollars in Dubuque AND Burlington. He has seriously undermined the political corruption business model and they are hopping furious. He has skipped the “skim” money that consultants, party hacks, and a lot of media get that turn candidates into “blackrent” extortion victims spending most of their time begging money from billionaires to pay off the “consultants” and their enabling cronies in the media. It is a racket and Scott Walker essentially dropped out over it. The round robin of payoffs is in jeopardy and now it is too late to do much about it but bellyache to the media such as The Hill.

  30. Now, BO gives ISIS free rein in Syria:

    https://www.rt.com/news/323815-syria-s-400-us-airstrikes/

    Both the American and Turkish air forces halted their strikes on Syrian territory around the time Russia deployed S-400 air defense complexes at the Khmeimim airbase, from which it stages its own incursions against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).

    A spokesperson of the Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve (CJTF-OIR) told Sputnik on Friday that the absence of anti-IS coalition airstrikes “has nothing to do with the S400 deployment” in Syria.

  31. Mormaer, it is a joy to read your comments and I have said that before, :). You consistently connect the dots. The 24-hour TV, the need for content and the talking heads have all contributed to the corrupt and incestuous relationship in politics — your spouse works in the WH, you are a reporter and you are a talking head and you have to promote your party and on and on. Elections have become big business, an industry unto itself, like the military industrial complex or the liberal grievance industry milking and corrupting the government.

    And Trump is bad news for all those parasites.

  32. ADMIN: THIS BUD’S FOR YOU: THE DEATH OF JUDIS, TEXIERA AND THE DIM PARTY

    V. The Submerging Democratic Majority
    So yes, the Democrats are having their fun. But as Peter Falk, playing the New York City cop Lt. Columbo on the old TV series would say, “There’s just one more thing.”

    And what would that one thing be? Only this: Open-borders-ism is toxic politics with the electorate as a whole. As in, support for open borders is a political death warrant.

    Once again, the early indicators are coming from Europe, where the open-borders experiment has had such a thorough testing.

    Of course, to the incumbent class of Eurocrats, nothing much has changed, even after the Paris attacks and the Syrian throng. Swaddled in security, drenched in ideology, succored in self-rectitude, the Brussels crowd feels free to continue expounding its globaloney.

    But ordinary Europeans—that is, the folks who could lose their jobs, their incomes, or even their lives—are starting to rebel; even the MSM has had to take grudging notice. This headline slipped into The New York Times: “Regulating Flow of Refugees Gains Urgency in Greece and Rest of Europe.” And this headline, too, made it into The Washington Post: “Europe plans to speed up deportation of tens of thousands of Pakistanis.”

    And in Europe itself, the issue is put even more starkly, viz. this headline in the Daily Mail (UK): “EU must stem migrant flow or risk the same fate as Roman Empire, warns Dutch PM.”

    Breitbart readers are, of course, familiar with the leading European nationalist parties, UKIP of the UK and the National Front of France. At the rate that European politics are changing, it’s a certainty that one or both parties will take power—unless one or more of the major parties pre-empt their anti-open-borders message. And as a further sign of the changing times, we can note that in England, a former Conservative Member of Parliament, now a professor at Winchester University, has established a Centre for English Identity and Politics. (Parenthetically, various U.S. campuses have established White Student Unions.) Thus we see: politics, as a subset of human nature, is its own kind of Newtonian physics—for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Yet even as Europe turns, here in America, an ocean away, the left remains free to get leftier. As we have seen, in the bureaucratic-academic hothouse, there’s not a more pungently seductive orchid than the one beckoning ideologues to a come-one-come-all globalism. And so if following that exotic scent means cutting oneself off from thinking about the larger world, so be it: As Politico reported recently, the 2016 Democrats don’t really want to talk about foreign policy anymore, because to do so would mean grappling with tough-minded matters of national security and national survival.

    And so The New York Times, shorn of practical or logical arguments for its pro-open-borders position, is reduced to attempted tearjerking, to wit, this recent headline: “‘I’m Frightened’: After Attacks in Paris, New York Muslims Cope With a Backlash.” In other words, in the Times view, only a hard-hearted wretch could oppose the coming of more meek Muslims. To which we might add only this: Of the 320 or so million Americans, some 319 million do not read the Times.

    Still, we can observe the same don’t-confuse-me-with-facts-I’d-rather-have-emotionalism phenomenon across the aisle—that is, among libertarian ideologues. For example, the Cato Institute’s A. Trevor Thrall wrote on November 23, “Paris Changed Nothing. We Still Have Every Reason to Welcome Syrian Refugees.” And lest he be misunderstood, Thrall followed up two days later with this advice to Obama: “Dear Mr. President: It’s Time to Ignore the Polls on Syrian Refugees.”

    Indeed, mirroring the leftist multiculturalists, the libertarian multiculturalists are passionate in their disdain for traditional patriotism. So nobody should doubt that an open-borders Democrat would defeat a closed-border Republican inside the rarified precincts of Cato, a billionaire-funded, glass-and-steel highrise on Massachusetts Avenue, up in Northwest Washington, DC.

    Of course, a Republican presidential candidate winning 70 or 75 million votes nationwide next year might not care if he loses 100 or so Ayn Rand readers.

    Yes, Republicans are most likely headed toward a big victory in 2016—along the lines, perhaps, of Ronald Reagan’s win in 1980. In fact, it might be worth noting that, already, the Democrats are at their lowest ebb, in Congress and in the states, since the 1920s.

    Thus the wheel turns—especially when it has been given a good, hard shove by recent events.

    Not so long ago, back in 2002, a book appeared with the ambitious title, The Emerging Democratic Majority. In it, co-authors John Judis and Ruy Teixeira argued that a youngish black-brown-red-yellow “coalition of the ascendant” was going to take over Democratic politics and the country. And sure enough, after the 2006 and 2008 elections swept Republicans from their majorities in Congress, as well as their perch in the White House, it seemed that Judis and Teixeira’s prophesy was coming true.

    And yet, as we know, it didn’t. And why not? Most obviously, for all the talk about “diversity,” the reality is that the U.S. is still more than three-fourths white. Yes, the “coalition of the ascendant” is ascending, numerically, but it is starting from a small base. Meanwhile, if the white majority is mobilized, it is, well, a majority.

    Hence we had the 2010 and 2014 midterms, which were, of course, huge victories for Republicans. And today, the 2016 polls show most GOP presidential candidates defeating any Democrat. Indeed, even the pundit class, which has long predicted an inevitable Hillary victory, is now conceding that the GOP has the edge for the White House. Indeed, in Virgil’s view, the ’16 elections are likely to be the most favorable to Republicans since 1920, when the national GOP ticket won by 26 percentage points.

    So with apologies to Judis and Teixeira, someone could write a new book–titled The Submerging Democratic Majority.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/27/the-democrats-death-wish-the-disappearing-destiny-of-the-donkey-party/

  33. I have read a few times where some people here say Hillary supporters are attacked on this website…I have been coming here since 2007 and imho…I have never noticed a Hillary supporter being attacked, with the exception of the Troll who used many names and went out of his/her way to agitate and is now gone…

    other than that I have always felt this is a free, open and honest space where we can all express ourselves…try to figure out what is going on…have a dialogue and exchange even if we disagree…and give our honest observations in contrasting Hillary 2008 and Hillary post O in current time…

    I have never felt any of us have to fake it or hold back…and frankly many of us are Hillary, the person, supporters however since her many changes in her policies and insistence on backing O term number 3…Hillary has caused many of us a searching of our souls, if you will…and find it almost impossible to support her for control of the Executive branch of our government…

    …way back when I said, it makes no sense to criticize O and then give Hillary a pass when she is saying and proposing the same things…and even more…

    so I hope no one here feels under attack…some may not like hearing glaring or uncomfortable truths but this place is evolved enough for all of us to handle it…

    we still have a long way to go, but imho…everyone should proceed forward with eyes wide open…we are adults and the bottom line is our country is at stake…

  34. S, let me preface by saying I am neutral. But I do see the hurt some of the staunch Hillary supporters feel when she is abandoned by others (and with hateful comments from a few). I think her supporters still have a ray of hope that she will come through for them and there is a part of me that feels that way too but it may be too late. And she is not making choices of a winner.

    Here is a strange thought — what if Trump is Bill’s and Hillary’s agent to screw both parties and the liberal corrupt media and bring the country back and force balance into the global geopolitical situation at large.

  35. Yes, pm317, I am very sensitive to others and their feelings and I share a lot of the same disappointment however I do not think this site is a place where strong ideas and opinions cannot be expressed…

    I feel that Admin creates the atmosphere for an open and robust dialogue

    a ray of hope is good but at what point is there a realization that Hillary is telling us that her policies have changed since 2008 and if they were too suddenly just drastically change again, then what are we left to believe is her core…I am afraid she is no longer the independent fighter for the middle class she once was and is too entrenched by the leftists that now dominate the D party…too much emphasis on identity politics…illegals, refugees, BLM…omg…and she keeps apologizing to them…the working class has since become invisible…

    none of us were expecting any of this…I have been waiting for the strong independent Joan of Arc that I always felt Hillary embodied…

    instead she keeps promoting O and her pandering is really becoming offensive…and caustic…very difficult to listen to…

    I will leave it at that…

    **************

    as for Trump…he is his own man…win or lose…I do not think he is there to be a fall guy for Hillary…

  36. btw…the times have changed…Bill has moved on…he is a globalist, he has an entire foundation devoted to Global affairs…

    https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative

    the Clintons are in a different time and space now…I still love them and believe they are do gooders

    yet I am very concerned and preoccupied with who takes over the power and control of our Executive Branch…just look at all the damage O has done…

    we need someone to undo that damage…not add to it…

    and put the emphasis back on what is good for the American people first…

    that was Bill’s campaign…’putting people first’…now we come last…we just provide and pay the bills with open borders for all who walk in with our hard earned taxes…and if the Dims get the chance they won’t even let us enjoy low gas prices…they even want to increase gas taxes…

    big sigh!

  37. S, I don’t know what you mean by BC is a globalist but I do know that you can’t compare what Obama and his cronies are doing on the global front with BC’s foundation.

  38. Mormaer
    November 28, 2015 at 9:17 am
    ————
    Its the skull duggery of a brokered convention that we will have to deal with next. I do not think they have super delegates—thank god for that. If they did, they could—AND WOULD be bribed. What you will see, however, will be state campaign chairmen trying to pre empt the will of the voters, and Rove/Barbour getting black preachers to call Trump a nazi, a racist—all the shit their moron constituents fall for every time like Pavlov’s dog, pay them walk around money etc. And, if course, they will make sure that the states Trump wins are pro rata states, and the ones Rubio wins are winner take all. But in the end, I think Trump will be the nominee.

  39. Fucking Chris Bayley has now written a book called Seattle Justice, which talks about the effort to combat the policy of tolerance which Seattle had for nearly a hundred years, and one that the Blethan family who owns the Times defended against earlier reform efforts, by real men like Vanderveer an honest man of the left. Bailey could not carry Vandeveer jock strap, but there he is Harvard boy and all, with Gates, Gordon, and the usual cadre of do gooders it won’t hurt us cause we are all billionaires praising this book until hell won’t have it anymore. I knew his dad, who was a squared away guy, but Chris never grew up, but he is so typical of the crowd that now runs Seattle. Booth Gardner would be another one. This is becoming a have and have not city. Chris is now a tree hugger. He devotes too much space in his book to crying about the history of discrimination, which for him is Act 343. These are the same kind of people who passed the Volstead Act, and my parents went to dinner with the daughter of those tee totlars once, but when the sign read bring your own bottle, as it did in those days here, they brought their own bottle. What I worry about with these kind of jamokes, is for them it is never the view form the street, it is always the view from the terrace. Well, I bought the book only because it had one quote I can use on a case I am working on, about the community having an equal responsibility for justice and how that his the philosophy of their office. Most of my experience is with the New York New Jersey prosecutors, and their view of justice has less argula in it. If you want to know what their philosophy is, read Andy McCarthy, he is one of their scions.

  40. Indigogrrl (@6:42),

    Yes, SOMETIMES it does feel like those still leaning toward HRC are admonished by a few here — either directly or indirectly. The pressure to jump on the Trump bandwagon is pretty strong too. But given all of the disappointments and frustrations experienced since 2008, and given HRC’s current campaign embracing or giving lip service to BO, it’s understandable that anger and impatience sometimes creep into comments. ( And this is not to diminish the arguments or points made in those comments.) Nevertheless, I, for one, want to see HRC emerge safely onto the GE theater–i.e. without a Biden/Warren ticket waiting in the wings, “just in case”).

    I’ve it said before: all here are pretty savvy posters. Unpopular as they may be, at least this site allows for neutral or pro-HRC views. So I hope you can take some comfort in knowing that not everyone here has completely abandoned HRC or fully embraced the Donald. Investing all my faith in one candidate is just not where I am politically now.

  41. indigogrrl
    November 28, 2015 at 6:42 am
    ————
    Very well put. It summarizes how many of us feel here having given it our all in 2008, only to see what we see now. The progressives fall in two camps–the hard core marxists, and the ignornanti. You are more likely to find the ignoranti in the ranks of the comfortable and well to do because, as I said above, they see it all as a fashion statement and their view is from the terrace, not from the street. There in an inverse correlation between education and judgment. An ounce of political experience, running a campaign, working in one, doing white papers, serving as a delegate, and finding who will tell you the truth and who will lie to you, etc. it worth a ton of theory and book learning. When it comes to politics I have seen more over educated idiots per square inch than in any other group. They epitomize the old saying that phd means piled higher and deeper.

  42. That is not an anti higher education rant. It is an admonition that people of high intellect who specialize in a given field can be pretty astute in their given field. But for them to deduce from that that this special wisdom and insight translates into other areas leads to folly. There are no generalists any more. Not in law, not in medicine, not in higher education above the sixty grade. It is a world of specialists, and thank god for that.

  43. Well in my opinion, Hillary abandoned us, not the other way around. She abandoned us for big money, globalists agenda Soros/Obama agenda.
    No where in her agenda does she speak for me..no where.
    All the money and endless time I spent campaigning for her…for what? To support an agenda that only the far left wing or illegals embrace.

  44. After being slandered, maligned, libeled, screwed, condescended to, laughed at and dismissed, the base of the Republican Party and independent voters now have a weapon they can use against their tormentors–big media, big business, and the entire political establishment. The problem for the establishment is not simply how do we defeat Trump. Their problem is how do they win back the trust of the base. Because even if they could kill Donald, they would still have that problem, and if they think for a minute that the cherub faced angel Rubio will see, they are loco in la cabeza.

  45. S
    November 28, 2015 at 12:15 pm
    ————————-
    I rather think Bill has his own globalism campaign that is much more populous than Obola’s and his ilk. Think of the animosity of the Obama’s. Bill is the real deal and they are thugs to take the world through tyranny.

  46. So true, wwb:

    “They epitomize the old saying that phd means piled higher and deeper.”

    and

    “Their problem is how do they win back the trust of the base. Because even if they could kill Donald, they would still have that problem [….]”

  47. pm317
    November 28, 2015 at 4:59 pm
    Investing all my faith in one candidate is just not where I am politically now.

    Agree with this.
    _________

    Same here.

  48. Captagon is an amphetamine. Yea, how about that, the Muslim freaks are speeding. What a surprise. I thought Sharia Law prohibited things like that. Shows you how much I know.

  49. So, ISIS is a bunch of mercenary-sociopaths hopped up on speed, who self funds with oil that is sold through Turkey (or Syria, if you believe the WSJ), that Obama is harboring to destroy Assad in Syria, who goes around killing people while ranting about allah.

    I would suppose that their main purpose is displacing populations and forcing immigration.

    Terror is a globalists initiative.

  50. Good luck to all. I don’t understand how anyone can support HRC based upon the anti-American shit she espouses nowadays, but as Dad said, “that’s why they make 50 flavors of jello”

  51. follow up to last –

    I mean that sincerely. Some people have different ideas of what America could and should be. If you like HRC’s vision, I respect you AND your RIGHT to support her. God Bless all of us. 😀

  52. Obama Must Go! Worse President Ever Won’t Fight Terrorists
    President Barack Obama must resign or be impeached for his outrageous bungling of the ISIS terrorist crisis!
    By down-playing the horrific threat the evil killers pose, Obama has put Americans and the nation itself in harm’s way, experts declare.
    Obama’s incredibly “arrogant” handling of the situation peaked when — the day before 129 people were slaughtered in a series of coordinated terrorist attacks in Paris — the President announced ISIS was “contained.”
    And two weeks before making his “dumb” announcement, 224 people were killed when an ISIS bomb destroyed a Russian airliner.
    A chorus of critics are crying for his ouster. Read about their comments only in GLOBE — on newsstands now for a limited time!
    Nov 25, 2015
    [Link to follow. Don’t know if spammy will like, and don’t know if I can omit the silly stuff]

    PS: Admin, I had a special need for the HIs44 Twitter header photo in a tweet to ABC, so earlier this AM I was glad to see it still there. TY.

  53. A description of the anti-democratic one world governance by sociopaths:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12018877/The-truth-how-a-secretive-elite-created-the-EU-to-build-a-world-government.html

    Today, this is still the case. Powerful international lobbies are already at work attempting to prove that any return to democratic self-government on the part of Britain will spell doom. American officials have already been primed to state that such a Britain would be excluded from any free trade deal with the USA and that the world needs the TTIP trade treaty which is predicated on the survival of the EU.

    Fortunately, Republican candidates in the USA are becoming Eurosceptics and magazines there like The National Interest are publishing the case for Brexit. The international coalition behind Macmillan and Heath will find things a lot more difficult this time round — especially given the obvious difficulties of the Eurozone, the failure of EU migration policy and the lack of any coherent EU security policy.

    Most importantly, having been fooled once, the British public will be much more difficult to fool again.

  54. Note: this article lays the blame of the rise of ISIS on the numbuztz. It is from the best contributor to Red State–Streiff who has solid war college credentials.

    I am not a friend of that site, particularly with the way Erickson embarrassed himself at his gathering by dis inviting Donald, and the emergence of this joker Leon Wolfe who has taken over where Erickson left off, and somehow managed to get my private email, so I told him to fuck off.

    Well . . . none of this applies to Streiff, who sees the truth with the bark off. Here he quotes the Russians as saying that the entire responsibility for the rise of ISIS lies with good old president numbnuts, and his enablers. And then, he proves it.

    Again, this can be dismissed as incompetence, but as long as ISIS can be used to dismantle the post world war II international order, Obama will use them to that end. You can say he is doing the bidding of Saudi Arabia, and in that case you will be only half right.

    The larger agenda here is the Soros agenda, and anyone who cannot accept that fact and seeks to advance other explanations is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that is not there. If you put Bill Gates under a truth serum I guarantee you this is what he would tell you.)

    The Genesis of ISIS

    How did it happen? How did a violent Islamic regime, a regime that is sort of like Saudi Arabia but with inferior grooming and hygiene, come to hold sway over large portions of Iraq and Syria? Over the weekend, Soviet Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev provided an interesting insight. During a visit to Kuala Lumpur, Medvedev laid blame for ISIS, and one must say for the attending chaos, squarely upon the narrow, unmanly shoulders of Barack Obama:

    “The strengthening of the Islamic State became possible partially due to irresponsible policies of the United States. Instead of concentrating joint efforts on fighting terrorism, the United States and its allies decided to fight against the lawfully elected president of Syria Bashar Assad,” Medvedev told journalists.

    That is a huge claim. And it is made by a Russian. But we are beyond the political state where we can laugh at a statement made by Russians because over the past five or so years we’ve seen much more truth about the actions of the Obama administration coming from Russia than coming from the White House-or main stream media. At the least, the Russians haven’t lied to the American people about the nature of the Iran nuclear deal nor have the Russians told us that the Benghazi attack was caused by an internet video.

    Let’s take a moment and evaluate Medvedev’s claim. How did ISIS get here?

    Bear with me for a moment. I am about to use a significant number of quotes from Vox.com. They will be from an article by Zack Beauchamp. Some of you may recognize the name. Beauchamp is the low-IQ, note-taking dunderkind who discovered there was a bridge between the West Bank and Gaza. I am not making that up. The reason I’m using Vox.com is that the left relies heavily upon Vox.com for the small daily intake of conventional wisdom and no one wishes to confuse them over an important issue by using unfamiliar sources.

    Prelude

    By 2009, almost all of AQI’s fighters were dead or in prison, and the group was a shadow of itself. But it had learned a valuable lesson: Dissent from Sunnis under its rule could be disastrous. That’s why, years later, ISIS has slaughtered members of Sunni tribes, such as Iraq’s Abu Nimr, en masse. It sees brutality as the best way to prevent a replay of the 2006 uprising that led to its downfall.

    Take note of the years mentioned. There will be a test later on.

    By 2010, “Iraq finally had relatively good security, a generous state budget, and positive relations among the country’s various ethnic and religious communities,” Zaid al-Ali, author of The Struggle for Iraq’s Future, wrote in Foreign Policy. But it was squandered. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki stripped political opponents of power, appointed his cronies to run the army, and killed peaceful protestors.

    What else was going on in 2010? During 2010, Obama was in the midst of his promised troop draw-down in Iraq. He was deliberately sabotaging his own SOFA negotiations to use the failure of those negotiations as a reason for complete US withdrawal. This is significant. The Obama administration came into office with no foreign policy objective larger than doing the opposite of whatever George Bush had done. Without considering the consequences, the gains during The Surge were abandoned and, what is more important, the Sunni tribes who had supported us during The Surge were abandoned by the United States an caught between a hostile regime in Baghdad and resurgent terrorists.

    Arab Spring

    The Arab Spring provided a nice proving ground for the I’m-not-George-Bush foreign policy of the administration. We turned over one ally (Egypt) to the Islamists. We overthrew a harmless (outside of Libya) dictator and gave that country to Islamists. Next on the list was Syria. Syria has been plagued with revolts throughout its existence. The Arab Spring set off initially peaceful protests in January. We didn’t take much notice. As late as March 2011, Hillary Clinton was calling Assad a reformer. By July, an armed insurgency (we won’t even try to understand what it was) had begun.

    “It was very much a strategic decision that the regime made, to militarize the conflict right away,” Glenn Robinson, an associate professor at the Naval Postgraduate School, told me in a phone conversation. “I think, in their mind and correctly, if this becomes a political battle where populations matter, the regime probably only has support of a third of the country … the opposition has the numbers.”

    Perhaps the most devious part of this strategy was Assad’s deliberate effort to promote Islamic extremism among the opposition. In amnesties issued between March and October 2011, Assad released a significant number (exact counts are hard to know) of extremists from Syrian prisons. Hof called this an “effort to pollute the opposition with sectarianism”: Assad gambled that if his enemies were Islamic militants, then the West wouldn’t intervene against him.

    He guessed wrong.

    Ever the rational actor, Assad assumed that the United States would prefer him to an Islamic regime. The Obama administration, didn’t even recognize what Assad was doing because they were fixated on showing the world that they could throw out dictators really, really cheap that they didn’t even stop to consider what regime would regime would follow him. As bizarre as it sounds, they didn’t consider this in either Egypt or Libya. The Turks saw ISIS as a way to prosecute their own “war on terror” against the Kurds. The Iranians saw the chance to expand their influence with Assad and Lebanese Hezbollah. All of these actors saw ISIS as a stalking horse to allow them to accomplish other objectives.

    By August, Obama was calling on him to step down. By early 2012, the Obama administration was sending up trial balloons about using military force in Syria and we were running arms to “Syrian rebels” from Libya.

    Assad and ISIS: partners

    Via TIME Magazine:

    Assad does not see ISIS as his primary problem, the businessman says. “The regime fears the Free Syrian Army and the Nusra Front, not ISIS. They [the FSA and Nusra] state their goal is to remove the President. But ISIS doesn’t say that. They have never directly threatened Damascus.” As the businessman notes, the strikes on ISIS targets are minimal. “If the regime were serious about getting rid of ISIS, they would have bombed Raqqa by now. Instead they bomb other cities, where the FSA is strong.” That said, the businessman does not believe that the regime has a formal relationship with ISIS, just a pragmatic one. “The more powerful ISIS grows, the more they are useful for the regime. They make America nervous, and the Americans in turn see the regime as a kind of bulwark against ISIS.”

    A senior Western diplomat who specializes in the Syrian civil war agrees that ISIS is seen as an asset by Assad. “They will do whatever it takes to devalue the opposition, even if it means strengthening ISIS. They know that if it comes to choosing between the black flag [of ISIS] and Damascus, the international community will choose Damascus.” And the strategy has worked extremely well. “The way it’s going now, it’s a matter of months, not even a year, that the moderate opposition is so weakened that it won’t be a factor anymore. So in just a few months from now the regime will be able to achieve its strategic goal of forcing the world to choose between Damascus and the black flags.”

    Hubris and the Obama Administration

    It its fitting, I guess, that this disaster of Biblical proportions can be laid squarely at Barack Obama’s feet. Every source traces the rise of ISIS to Obama’s decisions in Iraq. It is created and spreads under the nose of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. It is their actions that directly cause its creation and spread. Those decisions were petualant reactions by a very immature president and national security team. Ironically, the divergent needs of the major players in the region have all conspired to keep ISIS in operation and the US might well be the only actor that wants ISIS eliminated and it lacks the will to do so.

  55. pm317
    November 28, 2015 at 4:59 pm
    Investing all my faith in one candidate is just not where I am politically now.
    ___________________
    There is a lot of us like that too. 🙂

  56. Barack Obama is an agent for one world governance by sociopaths. He is the enemy of democracy. And that is what we saw in 2008. That was what made me so alarmed. The Bush years were awful and then I was expecting some return to sanity. Then there was Obama. It is the dark of night for the nation, under attack from within. It is democracy itself that is under attack.

  57. “All of these actors saw ISIS as a stalking horse to allow them to accomplish other objectives.”
    ——–
    NOW THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM ACCUSING OBAMA OF DOING.

    HIS OBJECTIVE IS TO DISMANTLE THE POST WORLD WAR II ORDER, AND AS LONG AS ISIS SERVES THAT OBJECTIVE, AS LONG AS IT CONVINCES NATION STATES AROUND THE WORLD, ALLIES AND ENEMIES ALIKE TO SEE THAT THE UNITED STATES CANNOT BE RELIED ON–AND IS, THEREFORE, PERFORCE, NOT A NATION TO BE RECKONED WITH, HE WILL TEMPORIZE, ASSURE US IT IS JUNIOR VARSITY, CANCEL BOMBING RUNS, CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO CLIMATE CHANGE (A FAVORITE TOPIC OF SOROS) ETC. THAT PUTS INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS CONTROLLED BY PROGRESSIVES AT THE CENTER OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, ALONG WITH CRONY CAPITALISTS. AND JUST WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? THE SAME ONES WHO GAVE HIM THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR WHAT-HE-WOULD-DO, WHEREAS IN THE PAST THIS ESTEEMED AWARD WAS ALWAYS, UNFAILINGLY GIVEN FOR PAST PERFORMANCE, NOT SOME BULLSHIT VISION OF THE FUTURE, WHICH MAY NEVER MATERIALIZE.

  58. Good Morning…

    …before anyone goes off misconstruing what I said about Bill being a globalist…

    let me first say, that I did not even suggest in any way a comparison of Bill to O…

    what I did say and what I mean is that Bill and Hillary have moved on…Bill is not the former governor of Arkanasas that pledged putting people first anymore…as in, putting the American middle class first…

    he is now a former two term President with his own International projects and endeavors…one time I said he is almost like President of the World…

    this is not a criticism, for me, it is just reality…his priorities and energy are committed on an international level…of course, he still loves America, however his attention for the most part is elsewhere and I admire him for the work he does all over the world

    …imho…my humble opinion…Hillary has also evolved to a different place…for me, one of the big drawbacks is her actual association with the O admin…she is now forever scarred from that experience…

    …and sadly she seems to want to carry the torch for O and his legacy forward…

    but beyond that, Hillary also has been on the international stage…she has a lot of comingled relationships and most likely commitments…I cannot lie to myself…I just believe she has too many debts and special interests she must satisfy for the millions…maybe billions of dollars coming her way…

    I admire Hillary…I wish everything was different but it is not…everything has changed…

    …many of the positions she took in 2008 she has completely abandoned and now is planning on going into totally opposing and different directions…illegal immigration being only one of them…she also plans on running an Imperial Presidency and even beyond what O has done with his Executive orders…I am kind of sick of that approach…

    she just does not seem like her own person any more…when she does seem to speak her mind her special interests go after her and there she is apologizing to them…

    I still admire Hillary and respect her intelligence, I just do not like the direction of what she is selling and pitching for her Presidency…it is not a direction I want to go in…

    I also am of the mind that I ‘cannot invest my faith in any one candidate’…however I will listen to them all right up to the very end…

    for now…Donald Trump is talking about the things I care about…he is not afraid and he is bold…yes, I wish he would self edit, I have said that many times…

    Yes, there are times that I wince when he says something and I say to myself…’did he really have to say that…or bring that up’ I hope to see him evolve on that as we go forward…

    but right now…he looks like a leader that will get things done…will shake up the mess we are in…will get our country back on a “winning financial standing”

    He will not let everyone…and I mean everyone…take advantage of us and use us like a bunch of suckers…

    and DT will undo as much as he can to change the mess O will leave the next President

    …and best of all…DT does not owe anyone a penny for all he plans on doing…in fact, he won’t even take his salary compensation and plans on donating it to charities…

    I think DT understands the value of money better than all of the other candidates…

    He is telling us what he wants to do and he will not have to submit to any doners or backers if they disagree with him or try to influence him…

    He can work towards improving and impressing the lives of the American people…FIRST

    …and I believe he will because I do think he has a (psychological) need to prove a lot of things…and to prove he is right…and as some of us have been saying, DT does seem to have a touch of clairvoyance…or at least, intuition that sees into the future pretty well…

    let me just end this by saying and I have said this before, I respect everyone’s POV, especially when said in good faith as opposed to the troll we had, I always look at someone’s POV and try to understand the other side of the discussion…sometimes it will make me change what I think and sometimes not…we do not always have to agree…

    but I never want to feel that anyone cannot come here and say what they think…sometimes the people that are talking about leaving because of their Hillary support make me feel as if I should be guilty for speaking about the reality that I see…

    I did not want this anymore than any of you did but I am not going to walk around in self denial particularly when I hear Hillary saying what she plans to do clearly from her own mouth…

    so let’s hope for the best and hope we get the best candidates and one who becomes President that will change a lot of what is wrong in O’s wake and long shadow…

  59. Sunstein is working on sewing up the tendons and dentrils of the new world order wherein the United States will be referred to as Country 8, in Region 3.

    Meanwhile, the progressives have succeeded admirably in their withering attacks on the Washington Redskins logo, which has produced the following denoument:

    The Washington Redskins are changing their name because of all the negativity, shame, humiliation, dissent, polarity, adversity, defiance, hatred, animosity, contempt,
    discrimination, division, violence, counter-productivity, ill-spirit, un-Godliness, and hostility associated with their name.

    So, from now on they will be known simply as the Redskins.

    The next step of progressives through the institutions of the NFL, after they have instituted their bans on all black trangender coaches in the NFL and all black trasgender directors in Hollywood, to compensate for a legacy of discrimination will be to remove the name eagles title from the name of the Philadelphia football team, at the insistence of PETA, and if you don’t like that one they will give you a bucket full of rotting salmon guts on your head, and Cokie Roberts will say something noble about this like I do not like your tactics, but I will fight to the death (ours not hers just listening to her 24/7 bullshit makes for an agonizing one) for your right to pursue them. She is after all the daughter of one of the more corrupt southern politicians of a prior era Hale Boggs, but you would never know it by the way his reputation has been whitewashed.

  60. Correction: not bans, affirmative action, where there are no quotas, but merely good faith goals and timetable by which compliance will be measured—that kind of manchurian doublespeak which has been part of the EEOC legacy for 40 years. You see, what happened was this: the 1964 civil rights act forbade goals and timetables, so the bureacrats got around it by instituting so called voluntary goals which if they were not met were grounds for punative. This not clever, cute or slight of hand. It is simply a lie, which passes muster only because the Oprah obessed public is too dumb to figure out what their own common sense should tell them. The victims of this reverse discrimination are not the corporations however. They are the people who are not part of the protected class who lose job opportunities because of this perversity. And where do the beneificiaries of these policies go? Back into the black community to help their people? Hell no. They move to the wealthy white community and behave like grandees.

  61. S
    November 29, 2015 at 11:30 am
    ——-
    I think you got it right.

    Bill Clinton was a globalist—and he would be the first to admit it.

    And there is a respectable argument to be made for being a globalist, because of the way the world is interconnected.

    BUT THERE IS ONE BIG PROVISIO:

    Bill was unwilling to throw the middle class under the bus to get there.

    Obama on the other hand is keen to do exactly that.

    Furthermore, he was supported by Soros.

    But he was not controlled by him–the way Obama is.

    What a country they say that a man of great ability can rise from humble beginnings to be president.

    But reality cautions us as follows: nobody becomes mayor of New York without being owned by somebody.

  62. This is, by the way, what makes the rise of Trump, and to a lesser extent Cruz so fascinating. Trump is owned by no one. And while Cruz does have his well heeled supporters he is, more or less, and mostly more, a free agent. The place where free agents get eviscerated is at a brokered convention as the money interests who have so much to lose weigh in with what can only be described as criminal behavior.

    On a different point, Obama claims the law forbids Georgia from paying welfare benefits from its citizens to Syrians. But that is not the final consideration either. And how can Obama, who is a pathological law breaker, condemn anyone for doing the same thing he does. It is sheer hypocrisy. Or worse. I say, tell Obama to go to hell. Tell him to convene an emergency session of congress to raise the money to pay their benefits, or stick in on as a rider to the omnibus spending bill. But do not force the citizens of a state who disagree with his improvident decision to finance it.

  63. this is not a criticism, for me, it is just reality…his priorities and energy are committed on an international level…of course, he still loves America, however his attention for the most part is elsewhere and I admire him for the work he does all over the world
    ——-

    Right on, S! WJC loves America – a primary and critical difference between Bill and Obama.

    In fact, while O and his kook progs embrace citizens of other countries, demanding their acceptance by Americans – even when it is counter to America’s best interests – they express indifference, sometimes open hostility toward and about certain segments of the population of this country and condemn certain regions as ignorant, redneck racists.

    Ironic that their grand vision of inclusion excludes the majority of Americans.

  64. S
    November 29, 2015 at 11:30 am
    ______________________________

    Spot on, S.

    Your soliloquy was, in my opinion, not one of JUST disenfranchised Hillary supporters, but rather, the vox populi. I find myself in a tenuous political position. I love and respect Hillary for what she has done and what she has been through fighting for those that have no voice. And I cannot lie, I would still love to see her in the White House. But I voted for the Republican candidate in the last two elections because I can not, I WILL NOT, support anything from the house of Body Odor, and she sounds like his next champion. To quote Padme Skywalker, she is going down a path I can not follow. It is with shame in my heart that I listen to her defend the ACA. It is with dread in my soul that I listen to her welcome in the terrorists that will come with the refugees. It is with disgust in my bones that I listen to her support the toilet paper that is the deal with Iran. The tiniest bit of hope remaining in my soul is praying that she is doing this now only to win the nomination, and then in the general, her true soul will appear. But that hope is fleeting.

    BTW – I too have no qualms, and will never have qualms, with the only president I have truly known, Wille Jeff. If the elites so block his efforts here in the US, may the world benefit from their mistake. I believe him when he says that he thinks about the economy here everyday. I believe him when he looks for unity and compromise among the political class here in the US. I believe him because he has demonstrated that he has a good heart. But he also has a powerful enemy full of jealousy and mistrust – bumbles the goat. A man that isn’t even equal to President Clinton’s toe jam in terms of leadership.

    Hillary 2016?

  65. S put it more eloquently than I ever could. Sums up every frustration I have had with Hillary 08 verus Hillary NOW. She has moved on from “us”, she no longer feels the need to help make “our” lives matter. She is worried about BLM, PP, Climate Change and ObamaLegacy(tm)… I actually don’t want to see her win, she would be a DISASTER as President and talk about ROYAL rule ………. yep!!!

  66. freespirit
    November 29, 2015 at 2:19 pm
    ——————————-

    Exclusion is not the problem. They targeted the middle-class for looting into destruction. They do not want them to be able to provide resistance to their one world governance agenda. Yea, those guns and bibles would get in the way.

  67. So how about those Syrian “refugees”?

    14,000 Refugees Due For Deportation From Sweden Have Vanished: “We Simply Do Not Know Where They Are”

    As Sweden’s Afton Bladet reports, over half of all the illegal migrants slated for deportation in Sweden have mysteriously disappeared.

    The National Border Police Section reports that of the 21,748 individuals due to be sent home after their asylum applications were turned down, a whopping 14,140 have simply vanished off the police radar. Around a third, or the remaining 7,608, still live and are accounted for in the Swedish Migration Board’s premises or have indicated an address for their own homes. It is not clear if anyone has actually tried following up on said home address to see how many have simply made one up.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-29/14000-refugees-due-deportation-sweden-have-vanished-we-simply-do-not-know-where-they

  68. Illegal Immigration Sucks

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-29/14000-refugees-due-deportation-sweden-have-vanished-we-simply-do-not-know-where-they

    14,000 Refugees Due For Deportation From Sweden Have Vanished: “We Simply Do Not Know Where They Are”

    As Sweden’s Afton Bladet reports, over half of all the illegal migrants slated for deportation in Sweden have mysteriously disappeared.

    The National Border Police Section reports that of the 21,748 individuals due to be sent home after their asylum applications were turned down, a whopping 14,140 have simply vanished off the police radar. Around a third, or the remaining 7,608, still live and are accounted for in the Swedish Migration Board’s premises or have indicated an address for their own homes. It is not clear if anyone has actually tried following up on said home address to see how many have simply made one up.

  69. Exclusion is not the problem.
    ___________

    Obviously, Lu, exclusion is not the primary problem. I was not describing the primary problem, merely pointing out the irony of the fact that while Obama and the progressives embrace many groups of non-Americans and only certain segments of Americans while they feel antipathy for a huge number of Americans, whom they deem unworthy of basic human and civil rights. Worse, O and his kooks feel entitled to the pocketbooks and bank accounts of regular American citizens in order to fund and pay for the groups they wish to support.

  70. If I were born into a HellHole like Syria, where women were treated like 4th class slaves and the males were gangsters, thugs and murders…and I had the chance to live in a wonderful country like Sweden…I would hide if I thought I could be deported too.

    I would rip off my burqa, end my Muslim ties, dye my hair blond and immediately start to learn Swedish. No doubt about it.

  71. I’ve stayed in Sweden, it is a big country by Europe’s standards, with lots of open farm or vacant land. An easy place to stay of out of the cities and live the country life.

  72. I would rip off my burqa, end my Muslim ties, dye my hair blond and immediately start to learn Swedish. No doubt about it.
    _________

    Amen!

  73. @ dailybeast:
    During an interview on Sunday’s Face the Nation, Jeb Bush criticized Donald Trump extensively but said he would still support him over Hillary Clinton.

  74. I told him, Not to poke the Bear!!!. 😀
    __________________

    Amid the latest consequences for Turkey shooting down a Russian fighter jet and murdering the pilot – Russia (Putin) begins imposing economic sanctions against Turkey (Erdogan):

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-kremlin-iduskbn0th0h720151129?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=565a8e9104d301123599dd76&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter#XFPPd1C3VsLwRUis.97

  75. foxyladi14
    November 30, 2015 at 10:40 am
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    The Russians will show them all how it’s done.

  76. Just saw Carly Fiorina on TV criticizing Trump. I have not seen her in a while and I had sorta forgotten how mean girl bitchy she really is. Whew!

  77. Speaking of Carly reminds me of a joke….

    A horse walks into his doctor’s office…

    The doctor says, “Why the long face?”

  78. Oh . . . . . . . .

    I get it . . . . .

    Making America Great Again . . . is . . .

    Turning People against People!

    Per my favorite Journalist Andrea Mitchell

    With one minor edit

    Making America Great Again . . .. is . . .

    Turning People against WASHINGTON

    (Note: the suggestion that the habituaes of Washington are people, assumes facts not in evidence.)

    How do I love thee Andrea.

    Let me county the ways.

    Here’s the answer from an Obama defender who adopts the handle blacker than black:

    The unemployment rate was 7.1 when Obama took office, and 5.1 today: QED

    By Washington math (this goes to the question how do we county the ways) Obama is a success.

    How do WE measure success?

    By some artificial cook the books Washington number which ignores the uber problem of long term unemployment, or by reality???

    If the criterion is reality, then there are 20 million more people of working age not working today than there were 8 years ago.

    Nevetheless, it is useful for the elites to have useful idiots like blacker than black shilling for them, with no idea that they are playing him for an idiot.

    I would never say that about Andrea however, because she and her ilk stand at sentinels repelling the barbarians at the gate, the great unwashed, that small segment of the population who have figured out how badly this nation is being hosed.

  79. Shadowfax
    November 30, 2015 at 3:55 pm
    Speaking of Carly reminds me of a joke….

    A horse walks into his doctor’s office…

    The doctor says, “Why the long face?”
    ———–
    What is the doctor was John Kerry?

    Would that question violate HIPPA?

  80. It seems to me that Trump is uniting people AND IT IS THE WASHINGTON ELITES WHO ARE FOREVER:

    TURNING PEOPLE AGAINST PEOPLE.

    And because there are far fewer of them than there are of us, that is their core strategy.

    In other words, divide and conquer.

  81. For all of us that wouldn’t waste our time listening to the rusted calf, the rest of the planet had to deal with him:

    President Barack Obama was met with what appeared to be the U.N.’s version of the Oscars’ “wrap-it-up” music Monday after he significantly overran his allotted time to speak at a global climate change summit.

    Obama was one of 147 world leaders given a three-minute slot at the COP21 conference to outline their vision for the future of the planet.

    The president of the free world, however, had other ideas.

    More than eight and a half minutes into Obama’s address — and with no sign he was stopping soon — three beeps sounded across the auditorium, clearly audible to everyone present and watching on TV.

    Organizers did not respond to NBC News’ requests for comment on the beeps, but the punctuating sounds appeared to be the conference’s not-so-subtle attempt to get Obama to wrap it up.

    “I’ve come here personally, as the leader of the world’s largest economy and the second-largest emitter, to say that the United States of America not only recognizes our responsibility in creating this problem, we embrace our responsibility to do something about it,” Obama told the summit.

    The beeps continued every 30 seconds, but the president plowed on.

    “One of the enemies that we’ll be fighting at this conference is cynicism, the notion we can’t do anything about climate change,” he continued, seemingly undeterred by the regular interruptions over his speech.

    more
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/obama-ignores-wrap-it-beeps-talks-talks-climate-summit-n471256

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