#GOPDebate #3: Great News For @RealDonaldTrump On Polls And @RealBenCarson

Update: Open thread: The do-or-die debate; Update: Jeb to hit Rubio? CNBC Republican Presidential Debate – Live Stream Video Link and Open Discussion…. LIVE REACTIONS: CNBC “Main Stage” GOP Debate. With those links it looks like we won’t be the only ones watching while most Americans watch baseball. Here’s a livestream link:


Donald J. Trump is so smart it hurts. Trump jokes with Iowans about poll dip: “What the hell are you people doing to me?” More on why this is so smart in a moment.

First, let’s go to the Trump hate news. The #1 Trump hater in Big Media on the Right is probably Rick Wilson. In an attempt to insult Donald J. Trump the hatin’ Rick Wilson regurgitates an observation we made a while back:

Tonight’s debate will feature a number of real presidential contenders, and a greater number of people who should drop out already.

There are six candidates in the Republican primary who deserve to be there for various reasons. [snip]

Ben Carson, because he’s the superego of the GOP to Trump’s id, and while his “campaign” isn’t much to look at, he’s a safe harbor for a lot of GOP voters right now who are sick of D.C. but can’t go the full Trump. (And you never go full Trump.)

That is exactly the point we made about a month ago immediately before the second GOP debate:

Second, what explains Dr. Ben Carson’s rise in the polls? The main reason for the poll rise is that Carson is a pawn in the game. His job is to destroy Trump, then JeBush and the Republican establishment will crush Gentle Ben in an afternoon. But the main reason for the rise of Ben Carson is that he is a halfway house on the road to Donald Trump. For GOP voters that hate the Republican establishment but don’t like Donald Trump’s style or are not 100% sold on The Donald, they are for now parked in the Ben Carson lot but eventually they will find themselves in the Trump camp.

Think of Ben Carson as that starter home before you move on into the big mansion you always wanted. Or Call Ben Carson the gateway drug to the hard stuff. Or think of Ben Carson as the little rivulet that leads to that great wide ocean. Ben Carson is not the end of the road, not even the stopover on the road – Ben Carson is the road – to Donald J. Trump.

Edward Luce at the Financial Times apocalypticly calls it the “End of Days for Republican establishment”:

The two outsiders continue to take roughly half of the Republican field between them, leaving the other 14 candidates to fight over the scraps. [snip]

Mr Carson’s faith, and Mr Trump’s evident lack of piety, explain the former’s solid popularity in Iowa. According to surveys, more than a third of registered Iowa Republicans are born-again evangelicals.

New Hampshire is a different matter. Its Republican party tends to be more libertarian. The “Presbyterian” Mr Trump is still in the lead there.

But these are details. As the Republicans limber up for their third prime time debate on Wednesday evening, the rivalry that will rivet most viewers is between the only two men on stage who have never held elected office.

Opinion polls can no longer be dismissed as fleeting moods. Mr Trump has led the Republican field now for almost 130 days. It is all too easy to imagine him sustaining that lead in the remaining 96 days before the Iowa caucus.

Almost the same applies to Mr Carson, who has stayed in second place — and now first, according to one poll — for most of the past three months.

No other candidate, including Marco Rubio, the Florida senator, who many now see as the establishment’s only viable choice, has managed to sustain a showing in double digits.

Nor can the importance of Iowa and New Hampshire be overstated. As Alex Castellanos, a veteran Republican operative, has reminded his fellow establishmentarians, no Republican presidential nominee has ever taken the prize without winning one or other of the two early states.

Whatever fluidity there are in Iowa polls or even if the fluidity expands there is no doubt that Trump is still tops and likely to remain tops. Recent polls show Trump at 32% versus 18% for Carson with only Rubio barely into double digits at 11%:

Trump leads GOP nationally ahead of third debate

Most Republican voters want someone from outside of the political establishment to win their party’s nomination for the presidential election

Another new poll show Trump 14 points ahead of his nearest competitor (Trump at 35.6 percent, Carson 21.7%, Rubio 10.7%)

Why outsiders? Why is JeBush in such trouble? Why is the GOP establishment so despised? Consider Romney/Ryan 2012.

Today there was a vote in the Republican conference in the House and Paul Ryan received only 199 valid House votes. Ryan lost lots of votes and deserved to lose even more. Most politics watchers know that Paul Ryan is playing “good cop” to Boner’s “bad cop” in the latest budget deal GOP leaders have conspired with Barack Obama to pass. Young, attractive, Paul Ryan is not doing what the GOP voters want but he will play pretend along with other “leaders”.

Paul Ryan was the VP candidate to Mitt Romney. Romney lost to Obama as we warned (note our consistent remarks about Trump in 2012) in large part because with Romney’s history of RomneyCare the GOP lost their #1 issue, the battle against ObamaCare. Many thought we were unfair to Romney on RomneyCare/ObamaCare. But now Mitt Romney has made the point for us as only Willard Romney can:

Thomas G. Stemberg, who cofounded Staples Inc. and invented the office superstore, died Friday at his home in Chestnut Hill, two years after he was diagnosed with gastric cancer. [snip]

In 2012, Mr. Stemberg spoke at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, trumpeting his friend Romney’s contributions to his business dream.

Romney also credited Mr. Stemberg with persuading him to push for health care reform in Massachusetts when he was governor.

Romney recalled that shortly after he was elected, Mr. Stemberg asked him why he ran for governor. Romney said he wanted to help people, and Mr. Stemberg replied that if he really wanted to help, he should give everyone access to health care, which Romney said he hadn’t really considered before.

“Without Tom pushing it, I don’t think we would have had Romneycare,” Romney said. “Without Romneycare, I don’t think we would have Obamacare. So without Tom, a lot of people wouldn’t have health insurance.”

So after all the lies Willard Romney finally rats out the truth. Romney never attacked Obama on ObamaCare with vigor because Romney was the father of ObamaCare. Still Romney/Ryan danced and lied repeatedly in 2012 pretending they too hated ObamaCare. Romney/Ryan lied to the voters. That’s why the GOP establishment is in such vile repute.

Mitt Romney lies, Barack Obama lies, have led to Donald J. Trump. Trump hits hard against these liars. That’s why Trump is hated by the political establishments of Big Media and both political parties. The only ones that like Trump are the voters.

And what’s not to like about Trump? After a few days of stupefaction at the rise of Ben Carson in a few polls, Trump has recovered his stride. In Iowa Trump is having a blast and being super smart:

He could tear into Carson, which is risky given how well-liked Carson is. He could give up on the state and focus on New Hampshire instead, declaring Iowans a bunch of losers or whatever. Or he could do this, teasing them about his downturn and slyly goofing on his own image as a man who accepts nothing less than total victory when he competes. If I lose, he kids them, “I’ll never speak to you people again.” Nearly everything he says here, from harping on his own poll trouble lately to jokingly threatening to hold it against voters if they don’t support him, is unthinkable from a traditional politician. [snip]

In both cases, even at a moment when he’s at a disadvantage, Trump is shrewd enough to handle it in a way that reminds everyone how different he is from all of the polished Washington slicksters in the field. Then, to top it off, he showed the crowd that he’s not always in 24/7 blowhard mode by stepping down from the podium to speak to a wounded veteran face to face about the VA.

Trump, in the second video says if he wins Iowa he wins the nomination. He’s right. Can Trump win Iowa? You betcha:

Expanding the electorate to turn out the blue-collar Republicans who didn’t show up for Romney is indeed the way Trump wins, and his team knows it. That’s one thing to bear in mind with all polls going forward, especially polls of likely voters: Who is and isn’t a “likely voter” may be less certain this cycle because of Trump’s X factor. If he really is making strides in getting disaffected people to vote then all of the polls are understating his support.

In the third video, this is the introduction:

Donald Trump Offers to personally help Veteran at Sioux Iowa rally

Coleen Reich, a Sioux City retiree, said ahead of the event that she was unsure about Trump because of the negative reaction he showed to the poll results, saying it wasn’t presidential.

I don’t like his name calling,” she said. “We did that as children, but then we were taught better manners and we grew out of it.”

But after the event, she said with tears in her eyes that she was ready to vote for Trump because of his speech. She said her husband was a prisoner of war, and a moment in which Trump responded to a question from a disabled veteran moved her.

That veteran was having trouble getting an appointment through the Department of Veterans Affairs, a family member said. Trump asked them to write their information on a note card, and he would “pressure the VA like you wouldn’t believe” until the agency had solved the problem.

That’s smart communication from Trump. A (probably for Ben Carson) voter did not like Trump’s “name calling”. But after the event, “with tears in her eyes” the voter is, um, vote ready for Trump.

For the GOP debate(s) tonight (the losers at 6:00 p.m. ET, Trump and the rest at 8:00) on CNBC few questions remain. The one we think matters is “will anyone be watching?” The World Series, which we are told had an exciting game last night that almost never ended might take all the attention away from the debate.

The few of us watching the GOP debate will see John Kasich try to be his new angry self:

“I’ve about had it with these people,” Kasich said at the rally in Westerville, Ohio. “We got one candidate that says we ought to abolish Medicaid and Medicare. You ever heard of anything so crazy as that? Telling our people in this country who are seniors, who are about to be seniors that we’re going to abolish Medicaid and Medicare?”

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has acknowledged that he would like to gut Medicare.

Kasich went on, saying, “We got one person saying we ought to have a 10 percent flat tax that will drive up the deficit in this country by trillions of dollars” and there’s another challenger in the field who “says we ought to take 10 or 11 [million] people and pick them up — I don’t know where we’re going to go, their homes, their apartments — we’re going to pick them up and scream at them to get out of our country. That’s crazy. That is just crazy.

We hope Kasich attacks Trump, Carson, everyone. We will be amused. We expect lots and lots of fights:

So Cruz will now pump up his efforts with evangelicals in Iowa to try to go around Trump by beating Carson. JeBush will try to go around Trump by beating up Rubio. Rubio will get around Trump by outrunning JeBush as the tiger continues to chase them both.

So expect fights. The candidates need to attack each other to survive as Trump continues to romp. Trump will be under attack too probably by the Big Media “moderators”.

Carly “fizzles” Fiorina will be there. Rand Paul might be making his last appearance before he heads back to Kentucky. Ditto Chris Christie. The other losers like Huckabee and blah, blah, whoever will make appearances but no one will care. It’s outsider Trump and Carson on stage.

Jeb Bush? The guy who had this primary fixed for him? We wouldn’t be surprised if he continues to hoot like an owl.

We’ll be watching. Tonight. 8:00 p.m. ET. CNBC.


118 thoughts on “#GOPDebate #3: Great News For @RealDonaldTrump On Polls And @RealBenCarson

  1. Admin

    “there’s another challenger in the field who “says we ought to take 10 or 11 [million] people and pick them up — I don’t know where we’re going to go, their homes, their apartments — we’re going to pick them up and scream at them to get out of our country. That’s crazy. That is just crazy.“

    We hope Kasich attacks Trump, Carson, everyone. We will be amused. We expect lots and lots of fights – ”

    Get the popcorn ready, I’d PayPerView to see Kasich say that, word for word to Trump.

    Trump would turn beet red and go off on him!

  2. What the effin’ hay, they put everything on prime time for the East Coasters, while us fun in the sun folks are on the freeways going home.

    Thank God for Big Pink and the internets.

  3. REPUBLICANS GO WITH RYAN Wisconsin congressman picked to replace Boehner as House speaker

    Will he be any better than the CryBaby?

  4. Q. Biggest weakness, strength?

    Kasich: My worry is electing someone who is not ready to be president (proceeds to attack as he said he would).

    Huckabee: No weaknesses. I try to live by the rules.

    Bush: I’m impatient. Can’t fake anger.

    Rubio: Optimistic.

    Trump: I trust people too much when they let me down I find it hard to forgive those who deceive.

    Carson: Not really seeing myself as president until people see me there.

    Fiorina: Don’t smile enough. Corrupt government.

    Cruz: I’m too agreeable, easygoing. I’m a fighter, passionate.

    Christie: I see weakness at Dem side. Socialist, Isolationist, Pessimist Hillary.

    Paul: Concern for $18 trillion debt. I will filibuster the deal.

  5. Q: You’ve made promises comic book fashion.

    Trump: Not nice the way you phrase it. Kudlow likes my tax plan. I’ll build the wall. Mexico leaders are smarter than ours.

    Q: Your tax plan will increase deficit.

    Trump: Then get rid of Larry Kudlow who praises my plan.

    Jeb: (interrupts to attack Trump)

    Q: Your plan is a $2 trillion hole

    Carson: My rate will be closer to 15%. We’ll have to cut. Stimulate the economy will be the growth engine.

    Kasich: This is fantasy.

    Q: Repeat it.

    Kasich: I balanced the budget. These plans put us in deficit. I’m the only one who can do it. These are fantasy tax plans. Ohio had a budget hole I fixed it. Discipline. Just like getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid.

    Kasich: We’re not going to fix things by fixing waste fraud and abuse. We won’t get rid of 11 million people. I’ve balanced federal budgets and created jobs.

    Trump: You got lucky with fracking which got you money. Kasich was on the board of Lehman Brothers. Now his poll numbers tank so he attacks.

    Kasich: Ohio has a diversified energy industry. I was not on Board of Lehman Brothers. I was a banker.

    Trump: He’s trying to take credit.

    Carson: Not pie in the sky.

    Cruz: A flat tax like mine works. Up to 36,000 no taxes, then 10%.

    Fiorina: We’ve been talking in D.C. about tax cuts for decades. Lots of ideas but we never get it done. We need a leader to get it done. Bring tax code to 3 pages.

  6. Rubio sound SO, SO scripted in his delivery…memorized. Other than saying he is young and for change, what are his plans?

  7. Oh, Mercy. Now Carly is saying how she “saved” HP. It’s getting deep. She’s such a spinner, it’s a wonder her head is not whirling.

  8. Q: You’re a young man in a hurry.

    Rubio: Wait in line for what? Too many things to do to wait. The debt is bipartisan. The time to act is now.

    Q: Sun Sentinel says you should quit or do your job.

    Rubio: Sun Sentinal did not say anything when a Dem senator missed 30% of his votes. This is mainstream media against Republicans.

    Bush: He was endorsed by Sun Sentinel. You’re working like a French work week. Go to work.

    Rubio: You said you modeled your campaign after McCain. You did not complain when McCain missed votes. You’re attacking me because you’re desperate.


    Q: You are in the fifth place podium, you’re complaining. Ben Bernanke says Republicans have giving in to know-nothingism.

    Bush: We have to offer a compelling reason to vote for us.

    Q: You did not do well as CEO of HP. Your board fired you.

    Fiorina: I was recruited to save HP. I tackled the problems. Other companies went out of business. I had to make tough calls. The man who fired me, Mr. Perkins, now says it was a mistake.

    Q: Mr. Perkins is controversial.

    Fiorina: Which is why we disagreed. I had to answer questions and could not misrepresent my record. I was accountable.

    Q: Debt limit rise. Does this prove you’re not a problem solver.

    Cruz: This is not a cage match. This is media bias. We get questions to attack each other. The questions at Dem debate were fawning. You moderators will not be voting for Republicans. Ask us about substance.

    Cruz attacks Harwood who decides to move on.

  9. Q: Do you oppose budget deal because it does not cut programs too much.

    Paul: The deal takes from entitlements and spends. No cuts. The debt ceiling should be used to cut spending.

    Q: Why does Paul Ryan support this deal?

    Paul: The new leadership might not be a new direction.

    Q: Your proposals, says Huckabee, will rob those who paid in.

    Christie: The Social Security money has been spent on other things and the government does not want Americans to know this. Hillary Clinton wants to raise Social Security taxes.

    Huckabee: Yes, we’ve stolen. But it is their money not the government’s money. The money was confiscated from their paychecks. The debt deal will take more money from Social Security. Don’t blame those on Social Security. Honor your promises. This is not about math, it is about morality.

    Christie: The only way to keep the promises is to tell the truth. The money was stolen. Tell them the truth, not fantasy.

    Cruz: Republican leadership joined with Democrats to pass this budget deal. Both Huckabee and Christie are right. Make no changes for seniors in Social Security but allow younger workers to control their money.

    Huckabee: For 60% of seniors SS is 90% of their income. The government wants to steal even more. The government is no different than Bernie Madoff.


  10. Apparently Carly had a memorized talking point and wanted to say it rather than answer the question asked.

  11. Oh, my, Rubio once again tell us about his economically poor parents and how he didn’t have money…was not rich. Whining

  12. Rubio deflected very well in that last answer. Didn’t even talk about his personal finances. Not bad.

    Hillary 2016?

  13. Carly comes off as such a mean girl bitch. Whew! Seems the moderators are more lenient on her as far as time than they are on the other candidates.

  14. I’ll say one thing about the GOP. They are TERRIFIED of Hillary. No problem in the world originates from anywhere except Hillary’s heart and soul. WOW.

    Hillary 2016?

  15. Q: Bankruptcies?

    Trump: The great Ceasars went to bankruptcy. What happened in Atlantic City was disgraceful. I am good at solving debt problems and will do the same for the country.

    Q: Government of drug price control.

    Carson: Some companies go overboard on profits. Think about the American people.

    Q: Bank executives go to jail? GM mistakes that killed did not go to jail.

    Christie: I would have prosecuted them. The Justice Department plays favorites.

    Q: You supported the deal rejected in 2012 by the GOP.

    Bush: Well, the deal was done.

    Q: But a deal with more spending than cuts?

    Bush: The deal was done. Democrats won’t cut spending.

    Q: You called internet sales tax bad? Even the playing field for retailers?

    Fiorina: Crony capitalism is for the big and powerful. Big and powerful government forces businesses to consolidate. Student loan problem created by government. More regulation is pushed by the big and powerful. Small businesses are getting crushed. Big government favors the big and powerful.

    Q: Lack of bookkeeping skills, maturity and wisdom?

    Rubio: You lump every accusation and I can’t respond to them all. I didn’t inherit anything. I’m not worried about my finances. I’m worried about finances of all Americans.

    Q: But you made a million on a book?

    Rubio: My tax plan is a pro-family tax plan. I make more than the average American which is why I worry for Americans.

    Q: Corporate welfare or development subsidies overseas?

    Kasich: Then overhaul everything. This budget deal is the spend today save tomorrow idea I fought against. Our incentives in Ohio are tight and we gain more than we spend. Balanced budget Amendment.

    Q: Income inequality for women?

    Cruz: Lots of single moms in my family. Even my father left before he came back. Barack Obama has made it worse for women. Big government benefits the wealthy.

    Fiorina: Every single policy of Hillary and Obama is bad for women. Women under extreme poverty highest ever.

    Q: Your Costco Board membership as pertains to homosexuality?

    Carson: I think we need to be fair to homosexuals. I am against gay marriage but I believe in fairness for gay Americans.

    Q: Manitec claimed magic cures and you were involved with them.

    Carson: Absurd to say I am involved with them. Not my fault they put my picture on their website.


  16. Rubio does not answer the questions….very slick…side steps things he does not want to answer and falls into his memorized talking points. Yes, Marco we know you are young and want change. Now he is attacking Hillary. His preaching voice and delivery is grating.

  17. Does anyone have another link to the debates? These Infowars are talking instead of letting us listen to the debate.

  18. The moderators are soooo stupid. Cruz and Paul making some points. Huck pointed out about the theft of social security.

  19. Q: Immigration reform cheap labor.

    Rubio: Train Americans to do the jobs. Companies that abuse these programs should be punished.

    Q: You criticize Zuckerberg?

    Trump: No, I think we should keep talented people.

    Trump: Lots of decisions being made for the benefit of powerful because of superpacs.

    Rubio: Democrats have the ultimate SuperPac. It’s called the mass media. Hillary blamed a video for Benghazi and the American mainstream media helped her out.

    Q: More transparency for Fed?

    Cruz: Audit the Fed. Quantitative Easing is bad. Wall Street does great but not the average American.

    Paul: My bill will Audit the Fed. The Fed should not be allowed to lobby us to prevent us from audit. The Fed caused the housing problem.

    Q: You don’t like government subsidies but you want subsidies for Ethanol.

    Carson: I was wrong. Get rid of all subsidies. Stop picking winners and losers. Stop these regulations with good intentions that hurt the poor and middle class.

    Q: Responsibility?

    Huckabee: The blimp today is our government today. Stagnant wages are due to government policies. We need to focus on curing big cost diseases.

    Q: Reagan taxed capital gains equal to labor, why not you?

    Bush: We need to simplify the rates and the code. We need growth. We’ve tried it the way of Hillary and Obama now let’s try something new.

    Q: You give too much to top 1% says Tax Foundation.

    Rubio: The greatest gains will be for the lower income. We lower taxes for small business. 25% maximum tax rate for small business.

    Paul: My plan is unique because I get rid of payroll tax as well.

    Cruz: Eliminate the IRS.

    Q: Pot legalization for revenue?

    Kasich: No. As to economy, the answer is block grants


  20. Q: You have a gun carry permit. Your employees?

    Trump: I would feel comfortable with employees carrying. I carry. In our country the enemy knows what we are doing. The gun free zones are for sickos. Our military bases can’t have guns but killers get in.

    Q: What about your properties with gun free zones, would you change?

    Trump: Yes.

    Q: Does Trump have moral authority to be president.

    Trump: I’m wearing a Trump tie and that is a nasty question.

    Trump: That is a nasty question. Thanks governor.

    Huckabee: Trump would be much better than Hillary. I fought the Clintons.

    Christie: Moral authority? The FBI Director said crime is going up because of Obama policies.

    Q: 401K plans mandated for workers that don’t have these plans?

    Fiorina: No. The government makes things worse. Companies provide benefits to get best workers. 401K plans are great but there is no constitutional role for government involvement here.

    Q: College debt. Student loans.

    Kasich: In Ohio schools will not be paid unless the student graduates. Universities have lots of non-academic assets. We need to encourage on-line education. Also public service to pay off debt.

    Bush: We don’t need the government to get involved here. Let the states do the job. The solution of the left is to give more power to the federal government.

    Q: Fantasy sports. Isn’t that gambling?

    Bush: I’m doing well in Fantasy sports. There should be some regulation.

    Christie: We’re really talking about federal government involvement in Fantasy football?

    Q: You believe in Climate Change.

    Christie: Don’t do what Hillary and John Kerry want to do. We should invest in all types of energy.

    Q: Reagan opposed Medicare. He said it would lead to socialism.

    Paul: Government does not do a good job. Average person puts in about $100,000 but takes out $300,000. Now we have too few workers to keep the system going. We need to raise the age requirement.


  21. Huckabee: We need to declare war on the big cost drivers on Medicare. Fix Medicare? Focus on the diseases.

    Bush: I have a concrete plan.

    Q: Trump says he can grow economy so Medicare and Social Security won’t be touched.

    Trump: Brings jobs back. Bring manufacturing back.

    Bush: You have to reform Social Security. Because of too many regulations it is difficult to start 401Ks.

    Kasich: Competition. In Ohio we brought down Medicaid costs. On healthcare give incentives to keep people healthy.

    Q: Do these solutions work?

    Paul: The age will have to rise. Means test SS. There is no money in the SS account. Only promises to pay with next generation money and next generation is too small.

    Q: You said replace Medicare with your plan.

    Carson: I would let them opt out. Medicare budget is $600 billion. There’s a lot you can do with this much money. Utilize our intellect.

    Christie: Don’t send more money to Washington like Hillary wants. We are living longer which is good. Unlike Dems we are debating good ideas and good discussions.

    Rubio: 11 quality candidates here, Dems can’t come up with one. We’re talking about reforms for future generations.

    Fiorina: There are some great ideas here. But every election we say the same things. We need zero based budgeting. We need to tackle the basics.

  22. Carly, you can keep dreaming that you will have a debate against Hillary. Not enough prayers in the world to make that happen.

  23. Shadowfax
    October 28, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    That’s a good observation Shadow, though I’d maybe like to qualify it. I think he is supremely intelligent about what he knows about. I don’t think that he is intelligent about what he doesn’t know about. He demonstrates a severe lack of knowledge about things which he has never had to deal with. He has no polish in this arena to which he is a neophyte. And frankly, I’d be at least as scared with him in office as bumbles the fool.

    Hillary 2016?

  24. Closing statements:

    Paul: Government is too big. No debt ceiling raise. No more debt.

    Christie: If you are fed up with Washington endangering America’s future elect me.

    Cruz: Everyone says “take on Washington.” I have done so. I have led the fights. I will fight for freedom.

    Fiorina: Every election we hear good plans. We need a leader. I will cut the government down to size. I am Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare. I will beat Hillary Clinton.

    Carson: I thank all for being civil. The audience is attentive. People are waking up.

    Trump: Our country does not win anymore. We lose on trade, ISIS, the Iran deal. We don’t win. CNBC wanted to get money for ads. I got the job done when everyone said it could not be done. I renegotiated. I will do the same with the country. Make America Great Again.

    Harwood: The debate was always going to be two hours.

    Trump: You know that is not right.

    Rubio: Expand the American Dream.

    Bush: I have a proven record as a businessman and governor of Florida. I changed the culture of Tallahassee. I will do the same in Washington.

    Huckabee: We are held in contempt by those who write columns. But we are here to do better for the future. I have five grand-kids. I don’t want to give them debt.

    Kasich: You can change the world. If you save one life you have changed the world. Come together as a country. America is great from the bottom up. Renew America. God Bless America.

    It’s Over.

  25. Well. the debates are over. Now we will hear all the spinning and then the silly pundits and blogs will tell us what we are supposed to think and who they think won and will trash who they do not want to win. They will push Rubio. Yuck!

  26. This was a horrible ‘debate’…horrible! Did anyone learn anything important about any candidate with those stupid questions?

  27. We weren’t sure about Trump talking about how he forced CNBC to a 2 hour debate. But then he turned it from CNBC to how he would negotiate for the country. That went well. Then when Harwood said it was always going to be a 2 hour debate Trump took him on. Harwood gave Trump a home run.

  28. As far as I am concerned, no one ‘won’ the debate, everyone lost, especially America.

    SNL has some new material to work with from this.

    Trump will be busy trying to prove the 3 hour debate push was real.

  29. We have debates more for the media and pundits to have something to talk about and to be able to push their candidate or the candidate of their boss and the owner of the network. The network that has the debate makes money. It’s all about money and gotcha questions. What candidate can explain his or her policy on some subject in 60 seconds? It’s a joke and then when they throw in those stupid questions…

  30. To me, the definition of a good debate is when intelligent questions are asked and the candidates are able to have several minutes to contrast their ideas with each other.

    Then the public is able to make a judgement on the best answers and get closer to deciding on the person they think would do the best job running this country.

    Tonight was a joke and probably turned more people off to politics than they already felt.

  31. Cruz did well tonight especially his attack on Big Media moderators. We suspect Trump’s punch in the face to Harwood is the video of the night. Trump’s early reference to Larry Kudlow was a smart counter to Harwood’s attempted takedown.

    Kasich looked like a fish gasping as he tried to make an impression – he did but not the one to make him a success. Trump destroyed him with the Lehman attack. Rubio was not particularly effective because he is too glib and it is showing. Rubio’s worst moment was his missed votes.

    From what we saw the worst off is Jeb Bush. For a while there Bush tried to take on Rubio but then he pulled back. It appeared that Bush had a plan but backed off at the last minute. We think Jeb might be out by Thanksgiving as his donors fly to Rubio.

    Carson seems dumbfounded by everything but his charm is his ability to appear knowledgeable when he is not. The rest of the field did fine but not enough to pull them from obscurity.

    The loser of the night was CNBC.

  32. Shadowfax
    October 28, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    Forgive me if I don’t see them occupying a special place underneath a public toilet for their treacherous backstabbing.


    Hillary 2016?

  33. Even other hacks see the bias:


    Moderators lose control at third GOP debate

    At crucial moments, CNBC’s questioners, not the candidates, became the focus of discussion.

    The CNBC-moderated debate became, at crucial moments, a debate about CNBC, as various candidates and, at times, the audience, turned the tables on the network’s three moderators.

    The repeated bursts of anger and anarchy were prompted, in part, by questions from the moderators that veered, at times, beyond sharp into contentiousness. By the end of the first hour, the audience seemed to be siding with the candidates, booing when CNBC’s Carl Quintanilla seemed to play gotcha with Ben Carson about his past work for a questionable company.

    Taking on the media is a time-honored tradition in Republican debates, from Ronald Reagan in 1980 to Newt Gingrich in the 2012 campaign. But those were generally individual outbursts. On Wednesday night, the tension was palpable throughout the encounter, a theme that may have dashed CNBC’s plans to use the night to showcase a broad array of its own anchors and introduce itself to millions of new viewers.

    The pattern was established very early by Donald Trump, spurred by a question about his tax plan from CNBC’s John Harwood that suggested the businessman was running a “comic-book” campaign. Trump angrily proclaimed that the network’s own star host, Larry Kudlow, had praised his tax plan.

    Soon after, Texas senator Ted Cruz picked up the cudgel declaring, in response to a question from Quintanilla about raising the debt ceiling, “Let me say something at the outset. The questions that have been asked so far in this debate illustrate why the American people don’t trust the media. This is not a cage match. The questions shouldn’t be getting people to tear into each other.”

    Cruz, his voice rising in indignation, cited Harwood’s “comic-book” question to Trump and one from CNBC’s Becky Quick to Carson that declared that his flat-tax plan wouldn’t bring in nearly as much revenue as he claimed. After Cruz waxed on about a double standard between Democratic and Republican debates, Quintanilla seemed visibly irritated, and he and Harwood each refused to give Cruz any extra time to answer the original question.

    A few minutes later, they seemed to think better of it and did give Cruz the time. But the spuriousness of the decision left them open to further expressions of outrage by other candidates whenever the moderators tried to cut them off.

    The unruly atmosphere was a far cry from what CNBC seemed to want and expect, from a gauzy opening photo montage to a series of promotions emphasizing what Quintanilla, at the outset, called, “CNBC’s top experts in the markets and personal finance” and “the best team in business” journalism. [snip]

    Later, after the debate was undersay, staffers from several competing networks relished in watching the meltdown, sending emails and texts, saying the network was being “manhandled” and that the moderators had lost control.

    “RETWEET if you think @FoxBusiness and @WSJ will put on a better debate than this #GOPDebate,” Fox host Neil Cavuto tweeted before the end of the debate.

    Behind the scenes, campaign operatives were livid. Jeb Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz was spotted in the debate hall having a heated conversation with CNBC producers. One source said Diaz was complaining about speaking time allotments. “It’s a poorly managed debate,” said a Bush campaign staffer.

    “Why did @RNC decide @CNBC should be hosting this debate?” tweeted Lindsey Graham campaign manager Christian Ferry.

    “Is it or me or are the moderators being condescding to the candidates,” Sen. Rand Paul spokesman Sergio Gor wrote on Twitter. “Is the jury still out on the moderating of this debate? Or is it a trainwreck?

  34. So glad to see Harwood take the big one up the poop shoot.

    So glad to see the big media meltdown.

    Where is it written that candidates must submit to the lunachies of big media.

    On what meet doth these big media untermenchen feed that they have grown so great.

    The saint could use one up the poop shot too til his eyes bug out.

    Defend the beltway, fuck the country at all cost, that is their bottom line.

    Our bottom line?

    Get in their collective faces, smite them down, never let them up.

    I am sick and tired of them being the king makers.

  35. Russert is the source of this gotcha journalism.

    If he was not dead, they would put a bounty on him.

    I hope he rots in hell.

    Did you notice, did you see in that Politico article.

    The other networks are gleeful that this network got its ass handed to them.

    I am all for civility when it is reciprocal.

    When it is not, its Katie Bar the doors.

    It is a categorical imperative to eviscerate big media.


  36. Everyone is talking about how bad the moderators for tonight’s debate were and I agree but how quickly some forget how horrible Megan Kelly and Fox was in the first debate.

    “I am sick an tired of them being the king makers.”

    Yes, indeed. The media needs to be taken down. Good for Ted Cruz who hit back hard and it was certainly needed.

  37. Tim Russert was, indeed, the grand daddy of gotcha journalism. He was disgustingly horrible. Can’t say that I’m sorry that he is no longer with us. Who could ever forget his moderating along with Brian Williams of the debate in 2008 and how hard he tried to take Hillary down while fluffing BO’s pillows?

  38. When Harwood hit Trump below the belt by calling him a clown, there were a few things he could have said in response that would have destroyed this grand inquisitor, and should be deployed against similar attempts by elite media to impress their peers with out bold and witty they are, because that is the game they are playing. It is not about the truth, and it sure as hell is not about the country or you. It is about those magical moments when they go to a Washington cocktail party, they walk into the room and the buzz starts oh there is John Harwood, he destroyed Trump in that interview, we, the elites can breathe much easier tonight because of him, come on, lets go meet him, all giggles. Real fucking serious people they are. And, I will turn Kamovskys question to the elite class around: I wonder if they will sing in tune after Trump becomes president. He is ammo for the next such encounter, there will be more like it.
    (After Harwood tells him he is running a clown campaign.)

    Well, John, to a button down prick like you, who is immersed in the big media bubble, it may look that way. After all, you are constrained by the agreed to narrative of Washington that: 1) illegal immigration is not a problem, ii) 93 million of working age is a statistic, iii) Arab Spring is working, and v) as the Saint (David Ignatiuis, Assistant Editor of WashPo, Harvard, Skull and Bones) put it so neatly a year ago, under Obama we have. You are comfortable, well fed, why should you worry?

    So when I challenge elite opinion on such matters, when it is demonstrably wrong, you engage in character assassination, with comments like this.

    You are entitled to your point of view John, like anybody else. It is your prerogative to be wrong, if you like. But John, you speak mainly for yourself, and not for the millions of people in this country who are struggling to make ends meet. You would rather impress your peers with lies and cheap shots, than tell the truth, so the people of this country know and understand what is really going on, and how their freedom and liberty are being sold by others to the highest bidder.

  39. The narrative that the moderators lost control assumes they ought to have had control in the first place, that this is really a debate, that they are neutral arbiters, and that they are the most important people on stage. Each of those premises is demonstrably false. Consequently, it will be increasingly difficult for big media to maintain control in the future, unless they change their ways. Question: will they? Answer: does a cat bark.

  40. Shadowfax
    October 28, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    REPUBLICANS GO WITH RYAN Wisconsin congressman picked to replace Boehner as House speaker

    Will he be any better than the CryBaby?


    Same ole Same ole,Just less tears from him.
    We will be shedding the tears this time. 😡

  41. From his high perch at editors desk at WashPo, the Saint leads the celestial choir of big media journalists in their continuing worship of Emperor Obama, the man with no clothes, in their thinly veiled effort to advance the economic interests of the political class at the expense of the rest of us. It is class warfare kiddies. Only they are attacking and we are not defending ourselves. If this continues, pretty soon we will have no middle class, and no country.

    All Things Bright And Beautiful
    (Choir Director, David Ignatius)

    All things bright and beautiful,
    All creatures great and small,
    All things wise and wonderful:
    The Obama made them all.

    Each IED that opens,
    Each ISIS bird that sings,
    Pulled back troops to help them
    Gave them bigger wings.

    All things bright and beautiful,
    All creatures great and small,
    All things wise and wonderful:
    The Obama made them all.

  42. I missed the wink. Did you?
    A commenter from another site pointed it out. 😀

    far, my favorite part of the debate was seeing Trump take down Kasich & throw him into a near epileptic seizure with just a few sentences. Then CNBC shifted to a split screen with Kasich flailing & sputtering on one side and Trump standing like a boss all cool and collected. Then, with Kasich in full spaz mode, Trump turns his head towards Ben Carson and winks. (15:40 in the video) LMAO! Great! Trump is having fun and kicking butt at the same time.

  43. Last night was all work. No time to watch debate, but checked out the blog when i had a sec. Thanks to Admin and everyone for the recap and comments. Way more informative than news programs. Saved time and didn’t have the nausea that always accompanies live broadcast of moderator bias and BS. CNN, FOX ad MSNBC could learn a thing or two from Big Pink.

  44. That was really bad. Harwood is a dumbass. The “personal finance” network specialist reporters were ridiculous. I have a feeling that those lucky duckies and the always worthless Rince Pilbus and his cronies walked into a Trump trap.

    Trump and his supporters are taking over the GOP. His adviser is Carl Icahn of hostile takeover fame or infamy (it depends on how you look at it). No organization wants to be taken over. Especially if it pays well and it as bloated, stupid, lazy and incompetent as GOP. Who wants to give up the perks, money, lazy ass days, and influence of getting away with losing? If they are wedged in there tight you have to soften them up. One way is to go after their pals or allies. Media is their pals. Mr GOP Rince Pilbus let the networks set up these crap debates to make money. Not to benefit the party candidates or give them a platform to speak and talk about ideas or to educate the public. But to make money, make names for themselves (to make money) and go after whoever the GOP does not want rocking the boat and interrupting the cash flow.

    “In coming days there will be many more denunciations of CNBC. But for the campaigns, the bigger issue could be the party. In an effort to avoid repeating the perceived problems of 2012, Priebus took control of the debate process. Now, if the Carson campaign and others unite, Priebus could lose some of that control.” http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after-cnbc-debacle-carson-camp-vows-revolt-over-debates/article/2575209

    Get that? The party is losing control of the debates. Carson is mad. Cruz is mad. Christie is mad. Huckaby is PISSED. Who isn’t mad? Rubio, Fiorina, Kasich, probably Jeb because he will be doing something cooler soon anyway and all of these are the favored insiders. Trump isn’t mad either because he is going to benefit. The GOP, the elites, the party functionaries, just lost one more bit of power of the party. And who gets this power that has been ceded by the party through this massive mistake? Trump the media expert who will negotiate for his own advantage and use Carson and Cruz as battering rams.

    So stupid. So typical. So predictable as the party succumbs to the hostile takeover.

  45. Mormaer
    October 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm
    Yes, to everything you said.

    Beyond that, a personal observation if I may:

    Most of us were pretty young when we entered law school forty three years ago. What the fuck did we know about the world? There was one guy in the class, smarter, older and more worldly than we orphans in the storm, who could nail every question that professors threw at him and set them back on their heels. He was a friend and went on to become a judge, thus defying the old adage that the A students become law professors, the B students judges, and the C students make the money. He was, in every sense of the word, an A student, without the bravado. He was far too Socratic for that nonsense.

    When I was beating my head against the wall, trying to understand a complex problem, like the law against perpetuities, he would take off his glasses, lean back in his chair, think for a moment or two, smile, nod, and then say, it all fits together. And then he would articulate an coherent, insightful answer that left the rest of us in awe.

    Flash forward forty years, and it is deja vu all over again. I pound my head against the wall, because I see the treachery of big media, and all of us on this blog were, by degree among its many victims, but the country as a whole is its biggest victim. And yet, I struggle to come to terms with it, and the relative complacency of the public.

    I thought that was all in the past. But then, along comes that Filipino software engineer who like my old friend says, first, relax, second its not as bad as you think–it is worse, but take heart because it all fits together. This is, a priori, a wholesale rejection of conventional wisdom, which is typically an artificial narrative connived by the rich and powerful to control society.

    In so doing he gives us context in the present tense, rather than through the lens of history, as historians so. Analyzing the past is easy, predicting the future is not, but if you can gather the relevant facts, the forces in play, and discount conventional wisdom, then you can make reliable guesses, and realize when and where the old solutions do not work.

    Where big media sees in the debates a rebellion, Richard sees more evidence of the overall decline of the post war consensus, and the civility that was part of it, which big media in its quest for total control was first to breach.

    As Judge Friendly would have put it, it ain’t a fixed father controlled universe any more kiddies, and you had best get used to it. Richard will be your guide. As Cole Porter put it, if you are smart you will follow the advice of the kling-kling bird on top of the divi-divi tree.

    By Richard Fernadez

    Cutting Loose
    We’re on our own now.

    by Richard Fernandez

    The hardest thing about the recently concluded debate among Republican presidential hopefuls was determining where the stage ended and where the audience began. In theaters, the demarcation is usually clear. Politico writes:

    [A]t crucial moments, CNBC’s questioners, not the candidates, became the focus of discussion.

    The media have always been part of the story, but in the past their role was conventionally regarded as that of the omniscient narrator:

    The role of the omniscient narrator is to chronicle the events of a story in an impartial way. He or she has full access to the events and dialogue occuring in the narrative, rendering his or her account the most complete and accurate. This all-knowing, all-seeing narrator type jumps from scene to scene, following characters throughout a story and assessing the progress of the narrative.

    Such narrators provide a story with a comforting certainty so that we have something to hang onto amid the multiplying mysteries of the coming plot. “This is the city, Los Angeles, California, and I wear a badge.” We start with the fact of Joe Friday.

    But on the occasion of the Republican debate, when Ted Cruz accused the CNBC debate moderators of being partisan hacks, the play broke its bounds. Cruz told us Joe Friday doesn’t exist. In case anyone missed the point, Marco Rubio looked straight at the moderators and let them have it straight:

    I know the Democrats have the ultimate Super PAC. It’s called the mainstream media who every single day. And I’ll tell you why. Last week, Hillary Clinton went before a committee. She admitted she had sent e-mails to her family saying, “Hey, this attack at Benghazi was caused by al-Qaeda-like elements.” She spent over a week telling the families of those victims and the American people that it was because of a video. And yet the mainstream media is going around saying it was the greatest week in Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

    It was the week she got exposed as a liar. It was the week that she got exposed as a liar … But she has her super PAC helping her out, the American mainstream media.

    Naturally, there was no love lost from the professional pundity. Ezra Klein of Vox (the explainer) argued that the misgivings of Cruz and Rubio were merely sour grapes, the result of candidates facing tough questions to which they had no answers:

    Cruz’s attack on the moderators was smart politics — but it was almost precisely backwards. The questions in the CNBC debate, though relentlessly tough, were easily the most substantive of the debates so far. And the problem for Republicans is that substantive questions about their policy proposals end up sounding like hostile attacks — but that’s because the policy proposals are ridiculous, not because the questions are actually unfair.

    Yet that is beside the point. What Cruz and Rubio were challenging were the rules of the play. The pertinent fact is that when an arbiter is no longer accepted by both parties as impartial, the conversation may continue, but only as argument, no longer as arbitration. The narrative collapses, unconstrained by the covers of a book. The swordplay on stage which once the audience could safely regard as spectators has suddenly erupted into a real fight in their midst.

    It’s interesting to contrast Cruz and Rubio’s challenge to the passive, almost deferential way with which Mitt Romney accepted the sandbagging of Candy Crowley in 2012 during his debate with Barack Obama. That moment may be remembered by some for its infamy, but it was also the last time the old pieties held sway; the final occasion when the conventions were silently accepted by those concerned.

    Aaron Blake of the Washington Post called Bernie Sanders the first openly agnostic candidate for the presidency. But clearly the real agnostics are the current crop of Republican presidential candidates, who are openly breaking with the really important modern faith — the media-led church that has held mainstream politics together for so long.

    That old time civic religion was not without its virtues. For all its artificiality, it led us safely through the perilous last years of the 20th century huddled safely ’round the glowing screen. You can still visit it in its pristine state when you visit some of the elderly, among people who have no use for the Internet except to pay their bills online, and who rely on broadcast and cable TV for everything else.

    There it survives in full force, like a living museum where the past still lives. If you sit in the parlor, the TV programming comes insistently through the walls like it did in 1990: 24 hours of breaking news on global warming, expanding government, and feel-good stories about the miraculous powers of acceptance.

    It’s a mix of alarmism and artificial hope, designed with artificial highs and lows; once so real and now so bizarre. Yet for all of its stridence, the old civic religion constructed a comforting mental world of known distances and where leaders stood at a reassuring distance from our own limitations, ready to answer; ready to help. Ready to save.

    If you visit such survivals, then by the end of the coffee cake you may be tempted to stay in its folds instead of venturing out into a universe where no budgets are passed, no House speakers are elected, no borders are maintained, and no truth is left unvarnished. The world of drones and shadows and lies. To walk from a warm parlor into uncertainty is no pleasant task, yet perhaps that is the world as it is, and venture into it we must. Freedom and personal responsibility were never comforting places. They were always perilous things.

    The terrible thing about people like Cruz and Rubio is they make their appearance not as replacement demigods — as substitute Hillary Clintons or Barack Obamas — but as reminders that such magical figures don’t exist. What we are left with are merely men like ourselves: flawed and uncertain, with none of the pat answers their rivals have always had, distinguished only by their willingness to ask the questions.

    The cumulative breakdowns in the old ways remind us again that this generation is on its own, probably the first to fully emerge from the long afterglow of the World War II victory.

    Our inheritance lasted a long time. But at last a new generation must make its way from first principles because the old methods have stopped working. Consequently, it will either be the new Greatest Generation or the gang that lost it all.

    In any event, the challenge cannot be refused. Cruz and Rubio had to say it or someone else would. Maybe the hardest part of the whole situation is to realize this really is it. We are on our own. We’ve moved on past the comforting signposts of the the past into the unknown, but look at it this way: what choice have we got?

  46. Could not be arsed…….listening to that rabble, and than all the non analysis….when i could have written it before you watched it.

  47. Reading Richards comments a second time now, it is a form of political EXISTENTIALISM is it not?

    But as he says, “what choice have we got?”

    To follow the self serving bromides of big media, obey their petty rules, to behave guiding what we say by the cannons of political correctness, when Rome is burning, is a clear path to oblivion.

  48. There used to be a law professor out of Kansas who developed a national reputation as an expert on trial practice. He used to caution lawyers to be careful on cross examination, do not let your level of outrage against the adverse witness reach a higher pitch than that of your jury. Apropos of that, these direct attacks on media whores, by most republican candidates, could not have happened years ago, because the jury in that case, the public may not have liked the media, but they did not see how partisan, self serving and unethical they were, or had become. A degree in journalism is no substitute for reporting from Europe in the dark days of World War II, so you could argue that these people never had the chance to become Cronkites, etc. But the truth is, it is more about how they comport themselves, and the defective quality of the narrative they are peddling, easily exposed today by competing sources of information. They may meet their Waterloo in the general election, because just as Hillary has lashed herself to Obama, and will be compelled to defend him, against the weight of the evidence, big media will be compelled to defend both of them, unless an establishment eunech like Rubio or Kasich gets the nomination. For them the jig is up. Only they don’t know it.

  49. moononpluto
    October 29, 2015 at 1:52 pm
    Could not be arsed…….listening to that rabble, and than all the non analysis….when i could have written it before you watched it.
    Moon, the entire process is a joke.

    The simplest question of all is neither asked or answered.

    How will you solve our problems, and how will your solutions affect me.

  50. Has everyone seen this? AT about the 14.30 mark on the full debate video John Kasich thinks he is on the biggest roll of his life. Donald Trump gets 30 seconds to respond and demolishes Kasich, then Kasich get to respond and at the 15.40-45 minute mark Trump turns to Carson and winks.

    It is a wonderful thing to see.

  51. Harwood does not want an answer to the gotcha question propounded to Cruz by his sleezeball colleague:

    Question: you don’t want an answer, John?

    Answer: no, your time is up, senator Paul here is my loaded question for you, and give us a short answer because we need to get to a commercial so we can rake in the big bucks.

    Long before Cruz moved to discredit big media, big media discredited themselves.

    If you have not seen it already, you will want to watch:


  52. Bush is undoubtedly done for, counting down the days until he is gone…


    The former Florida governor was a ghost for most of Wednesday’s GOP presidential debate — and when he spoke up, he was swiftly and effectively counterpunched, most notably by Sen. Marco Rubio. As a result, he lost the opportunity to lift his sagging campaign, say insiders surveyed for a special edition of the POLITICO Caucus, our weekly survey of the top operatives, activists and strategists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.

    Nearly 60 percent of respondents said Bush lost the CNBC debate, botching his comeback opportunity and looking desperate in an attempt to attack Rubio’s poor attendance record in the Senate. They offered their reactions immediately after watching Wednesday’s prime-time debate in Boulder, Colo.

    “[Bush] looked opportunistic and desperate when he went after Sen. Rubio on missing votes and after he walked straight into a crushing right hook,” said one Iowa GOP insider. “He also looked weak and ineffective. The exchange diminished an already failing candidacy.”

    Added a South Carolina Republican, “Tonight’s performance will do nothing to stop the downward spiral that his campaign is experiencing.”

    Bush’s loss was Rubio’s gain: Just shy of half of GOP insiders said Rubio won the night, steamrolling his one-time mentor. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz came in a distant second and third, respectively.

    “Rubio knew he was going to be asked a question about his attendance record coming into tonight’s debate, but he didn’t let it rattle him. He was prepared, and when Jeb Bush tried to nail it on him, he obliterated him,” said an Iowa Republican. “Anytime you walk away with a scalp to put on your mantel, you won.”

    Bush had attempted to mock Rubio’s missed votes, saying the Florida senator should consider resigning if he can’t do the job he was elected to do for a full six-year term. It was one of Bush’s sharpest attacks of the campaign — and a clearly well-rehearsed line — but a spry Rubio parried.

    “Someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you,” he said calmly.

    Bush failed to respond, and was then largely invisible for the rest of the night — he finished dead last of the 10 participants in terms of speaking time. GOP insiders noticed.

    “Bush got his a– kicked by Rubio; he’s done,” said another Iowa Republican.

    The only other time Bush made noise was when he suggested that fantasy football betting is akin to insider trading and worried that it’s unregulated. But Christie stole the moment, ridiculing the moderator’s question about whether the federal government should be involved in fantasy football at a time when ISIL is on the move and federal debt is soaring.

    “Bush was like the sucker you like to see walk into your poker game. Easy money,” said an Iowa insider. “He was obliterated by Rubio. Mocked by Christie. And when not struggling on the stage, was a forgotten man.”

    Democrats rendered precisely the same judgment, with 61 percent seeing a clear Bush loss and 42 percent giving Rubio the victory.

    “Jeb’s performance was once again lackluster,” said a Nevada Democrat. “It’s unbelievable that he or his campaign team have not yet made the adjustments necessary to improve his performance after the last two failed debates.”

    “Rubio has continued to emerge from the field and prove his ability,” added a South Carolina Democrat.

    The debate itself was choppy — moderators struggled to control the dialogue and were criticized by the candidates for their occasionally tough questions. But those plays to the crowd often earned the applause of a frustrated Republican audience, leading a few Caucus respondents to conclude the moderators were the ones who bombed the debate.

    “CNBC moderators are going to take more heat as the losers than any of the candidates,” said one New Hampshire Republican.

    The disappearance of Donald Trump

    Not a single GOP insider rated Trump, the Republican front-runner, as the victor, but barely any said he lost. It was a remarkable fade to the background for the oxygen-stealing showman who thrives on poll results and drives ratings. One respondent rated his performance a “C.” Another said he seemed “banal” and disengaged in the latter portion of the debate.


    Having reviewed things…….Bush was effectively FUBAR…..cannot see how he gets out of the death spiral now.

  53. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/azdc/2015/10/29/phoenix-mayor-greg-stanton-endorses-hillary-clinton/74775796/

    Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton has endorsed 2016 Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton for president.

    “Throughout her career, Hillary Clinton has time and again delivered progressive results that matter for hard working families,” Stanton said in a written statement released to The Arizona Republic. “She’s long been a friend to mayors across the country and as president, Phoenix families will have an ally in the White House who will work to attract more high-paying jobs, try to close the skills gap, make college affordable, lower health care costs and help them save more for retirement.

    “I’m proud to endorse Hillary Clinton for president because as we’ve seen during her campaign, she’ll be a president who will have a policy agenda that addresses what keeps Phoenix families up at night and be a tireless fighter for their priorities.”

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