At #BenghaziCommittee #Hillary2016 Survives, Even As @RealDonaldTrump Thrives, @JeBBush Dies, Part I

We don’t discuss Benghazi nor emails much. Why? Because whether you believe Benghazi and Hillary’s emails are the most important issue in the world or you think these are partisan political attacks and nothing more, the bottom line analysis for us that they will not determine the 2016 presidential elections. We’ve written about and will continue to discuss what will determine the 2016 presidential elections and what will indeed destroy Hillary Clinton as well as Trump’s spectacular rise and JeBush’s spectacular fall. We’ll do so again today. But first a brief break to discuss Benghazi and emails.

We’ve written about Benghazi and emails and such when they happened so we’re not going to waste too much time today on these matters. But we will summarize our analysis of the entire situation. Years ago, before Hillary Clinton testified before another congressional committee on the Benghazi mess we wrote that only a special committee of very few congresspersons with a past as experienced prosecutors could unravel this knot. We stated that a strict search for the truth and nothing but the truth would suffice. We also predicted the Issa chaired hearing would fail. Not much really changed from then. Yes, a special committee was appointed (and recently undermined by other Republicans who declared it to be a partisan witch hunt against Hillary Clinton). But instead of focusing on the central and most important issue related to Benghazi the special committee when off chasing geese in deep woods. In the end, both committees failed to get the truth of what happened in Benghazi.

Since the deaths of an American ambassador in Benghazi we stated that Benghazi was not a silly issue to be swept away. This is what we wrote in May 2013:

Uncovering the truth about what happened in Benghazi on September 11 is important because even if Big Media and Obama Dimocrats don’t think it is important – the terrorist killers of Americans in Benghazi know the truth and they are emboldened when our political system denies the truth.

What contempt for the American way of government these terrorist killers must have as they witness the lies and corruption that our political system cannot uncover, or rather, works like sleepless rust to keep covered.

These terrorist killers must laugh at American power and American “justice” as they see the apparatus of the “government of the people, government by the people, government for the people” protect them and shift the blame for terrorist murders of American officials on an American who exercised his rights and produced a Youtube video Innocence of Muslims. That American is now in prison even as the friend of Boston terrorist killer Tdouchebag Tsarnaev is free on bail.

That entire article is worth a read if you want our complete analysis of Benghazi because it pretty much answers every question we are constantly asked to comment on.

A quick summary of Benghazi from our point of view:

(1) The only question that matters is “What moron idiot too stupid or too corrupt to be president does not prepare for a terrorist attack on America on September 11?” In that one question, easy for every American to understand the Benghazi attack is made relevant.

(2) Answer question #1.

That’s it. That is the entire Benghazi scandal in a nutshell. If Hillary is the moron idiot who did not prepare for possible attacks against American installations, particularly one in a frazzled Libya, then she is too stupid to be president. Or, if it was Barack Obama just before his reelection who in order to maintain the illusion of a nonexistent peace with the Muslim world did not issue orders or prevented the issuance of orders for a world-wide alert at all American embassies, consulates, military installations, and other offices of the American government or American institutions, then Barack Obama is not fit to be president.

“September 11” is the beginning and end of the Benghazi investigation. If a congressional committee cannot get an answer as to why there was not a world-wide alert, let alone an alert for extra precautions in Benghazi Libya, then we expect, and get, only failure and clowns.

Our final observations on Benghazi and Hillary are simple. No committee of the congress is going to be able to outsmart Hillary Clinton. She is too smart. She was a lawyer who went to court to defend clients as well as corporate entities. She is too smart to be caught. For this latest committee hearing Hillary spent seven days in preparation knowing from certain committee members what evidence and questions would be thrown at her. The notion or expectation that in the cumbersome committee process somehow this latest Benghazi committee would somehow imitate the fictitious and phony Perry Mason antics was a delusion.

What do we think happened in Benghazi? We wrote at the end of our 2013 article cited above:

Our operating theory is that Benghazi was a CIA operation in a State Department compound for who knows what. Possibly an Iran/contra type operation to get munitions and supplies to Syrian “rebels” is what was going on. Maybe it was about Chad, who knows? That’s what we need an thorough investigation for.

Again, we stick by that belief. We’ll add that maybe it was the very people we armed and helped who also attacked the installation in Benghazi (“Ansar al-Sharia is claiming responsibility.” It’s interesting; Mr. Khattala, one of the guys arrested in charge actually belonged to that group.) The embarrassment over that fact might be what aided the cover-up of the truth. But in the end it was Obama and the Obama presidential campaign that caused the Benghazi attack to succeed because Barack Obama did not issue a world-wide alert for special security and precautions on September 11.

Of course, the most important thing we have written, the most relevant observation about Benghazi is the one the fewest seem able to digest. And happily, it is at the center of the 2016 presidential campaign.

What the mopes in Congress, what most Republicans, what most Democrats, what most overall can’t seem to understand in their bones – yes, they will accept it at times intellectually – but then they forget because it is not in their bones, is the way to destroy Hillary2016. We’ve written about it so often. Yet, the lesson is constantly forgotten.

Benghazi will not destroy Hillary2016. “Scandals” will not stop Hillary2016 (and if you don’t believe us read what anti-Hillary Jay Cost has to say on this repeatedly failed tactic.)

The only way to destroy Hillary2016 is to tie Hillary to Barack Obama. Tie Hillary2016 to the Obama situation comedy demographic coalition and Hillary is toast. It is that simple.

The Obama goons want Hillary to be the Obama third term and any deviation (as Joe Biden declared) will be forcefully attacked. The sensible rest of the country does not want an Obama third term. Therein lies the trick. Attach Hillary to Obama and Hillary2016 is dead as a door nail.

Attach Hillary to Obama and Hillary2016 is dead as a door nail is a concept Hillary Clinton herself either does not seem to understand, or, is unable to get around. At the first and hopefully last debate (there is another debate scheduled for November but now that the electrifying Lincoln Chaffee and the mesmerizing Jim Webb have pulled out, is there any reason to go on with more debates?) Hillary Clinton managed to tie herself tightly to Barack Obama. After Biden’s threats with Obama at his side it increasingly appears that Hillary will run a disastrous third term strategy.

The third term strategy will prove to be a disaster. To prove our case let’s bring our first witness, Mr. Donald J. Trump.

Recently Donald J. Trump declared that President George W. Bush was the president when the World Trade Center went down. Donald J. Trump did not state that President George W. Bush was responsible for the attack but the “Buck Stops Here” responsibility argument had bite. Immediately Jeb! responded. It was a trap Jeb! fell into.

Recall, the reason why the Jeb! campaign is not the Bush! campaign is because Jeb! did not want to run as the third George W. Bush. Jeb! shaved the “Bush”.

Donald J. Trump with his wily trap forced Jeb! to become Bush! JeBush is the third Bush term. To see how devastating this Trump attack has been look at Jake Tapper’s interview with JeBush:



Jeb! asks why Trump “keeps bringing this up?” Jeb! does not see how Trump is turning Jeb! into JeBush!

As Jake Tapper asked, ‘If Bush isn’t responsible for 9/11 then can Hillary be responsible for Benghazi?’

Trump ties Jeb! to Bush! and he will tie Hillary! to Obama! That’s a chess master at work.



Endgame. Trump closed his trap on JeBush with the release of his own prescient remarks about the World Trade Center attack and Bin Laden from as early as 1999. Now the JeBush campaign is in deep trouble, political and financial.

How did Donald J. Trump manage stop the fix for JeBush and get to this point of near victory? Trump tied Jeb! to Bush! It’s a lesson for Hillary2016.

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180 thoughts on “At #BenghaziCommittee #Hillary2016 Survives, Even As @RealDonaldTrump Thrives, @JeBBush Dies, Part I

  1. Soon, he will be an “outsider”:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2015/10/20/realdonaldtrump-walks-away-with-the-clinton-coalition/#comment-456767

    Emergency Royal Family Meeting: Jeb to Meet with Former Presidents Bush 41, Bush 43 in Houston as Campaign Struggles

    An emergency Bush family meeting is scheduled for this weekend in Houston, Texas, as former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential campaign falls apart.

    In Houston, former Presidents George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush—and former First Lady Barbara Bush—will huddle with the third Bush family member seeking to ascend to the presidency, Jeb.

    The meetings will also include several campaign fundraisers with top high-dollar Texas donors, as the two former presidents seek to jump-start a stalled Jeb campaign.

    “As Jeb Bush heads to Texas on Sunday to rally top fundraisers along with his father and brother, former presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, the family’s vaunted financial network is mostly disengaged and splintered—and his campaign stock is falling,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

    There in Houston—where Jeb grew up, the Wall Street Journal notes—he will “rally his biggest backers.”

    “About 170 donors who have each raised at least $50,000 are expected to attend social gatherings and strategy briefings over two days,” the WSJ’s Rebecca Ballhaus and Christopher Stewart wrote. “Those who have raised at least $175,000 will have the most access to the Bush family, including a reception with former President George H.W. Bush and former First Lady Barbara Bush.”

    The emergency Bush meetings come as he’s struggling in most polls after longtime GOP frontrunner Donald Trump—who has remained at the top of all polls for 100 days, but is himself experiencing a bit of a slip in Iowa behind fellow outsider Dr. Ben Carson—has successfully tormented his campaign with labels like “low-energy” and attacking Bush’s support for open borders immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens.

    What’s more, Bush’s free falling campaign has ordered what Bloomberg News describes as “across-the-board pay cuts” for all of its staff. Such a move is viewed by many in politics as an act of desperation and a sign of impending doom for a campaign, as it is proof positive that the effort has failed to raise enough money for its previously budgeted projections for operation size—all while failing to reach political goals. [snip]

    The campaign is also cutting back 45 percent of its budget, except for dollars earmarked for TV advertising and spending for voter contacts, such as phone calls and mailers. Some senior-level staff and consultants will continue to work with the campaign on a volunteer basis, while other junior-level consultants, primarily in finance but including other areas, will be let go, the officials said. The officials declined to say who would be removed from the payroll or provide an exact dollar figure for the savings.

    What’s perhaps most shocking is an open admission by the Bush campaign—in a talking points document provided to Bloomberg—that they have been blindsided by the rise of Trump. It’s an incredible admission of ignorance in the 2016 race that the political consultants now in danger of extinction on the Bush campaign are making.

  2. “…That’s it. That is the entire Benghazi scandal in a nutshell. If Hillary is the moron idiot who did not prepare for possible attacks against American installations, particularly one in a frazzled Libya, then she is too stupid to be president. Or, if it was Barack Obama just before his reelection who in order to maintain the illusion of a nonexistent peace with the Muslim world did not issue orders or prevented the issuance of orders for a world-wide alert at all American embassies, consulates, military installations, and other offices of the American government or American institutions, then Barack Obama is not fit to be president…”
    ============================

    That is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Has always been the qiestion, and a simple one.
    The reason they didn’t bother to ask is the didn’t want the answer.

  4. A disgrace to the family name:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/23/chafee-ends-democratic-bid-for-president/

    “Now when I hear someone talking about a Rhode Island politician whose father was a senator, who got to Washington based on his family name, used cocaine, and wasn’t very smart, I know there’s only a 50-50 chance it’s me,” then-Rep. Patrick Kennedy, the Democratic son of Edward M. Kennedy, joked at a 2001 Providence political roast.

  5. Maddow attacking Bill’s record and her Libyan policy…why her handlers have her appear on this show is inexplicably stupid.

  6. Hillary walked into a Hatchet job by MadCow Disease … She should have known BETTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr

    fucking bitch MadCow acting all righteous and trying to destroy Bill’s presidency

    Hillary caught on rather quickly though and she’s skewering what she can

  7. Yes, but again her team is making stupid moves after a very positive week. She has the left now that Biden is out..Bernie may win an early state or 2, but don’t go on a show that has been anti-Clinton for the last decade.

  8. Hillary is some kind of woman.

    Right or wrong, she walks into the lion’s den and sits down for a cup of tea and a good laugh. Works for the man that hates her because she is everything he wants to be.

    I guess if Hillary didn’t have this unique part of her personality, she would be someone else.

    For better or for worse, I love this woman.

  9. In 1981, I visited the offices of former New York Mayor Wagner, and there I met a young would be powerhouse lawyer who nobody ever heard from when the firm went belly up, but he had a ticket to a gala affair, as in, the vice president of the united states invites you to attend. Okay, fine, bully for you, but we have business to discuss. And we did. But his eyes never left that invitation form George Herbert Walker Bush addressed not just to anyone, but to moi. Under this breath, he hummed a few bars of if they could see me now that little gang of mine, etc. I have no doubt he will manage to show up at this Bush family revival with bells on, older, greyer, and not much wiser. To me this whole affair–or given the morbidity of Jebediah, perhaps I should say, seance, reminds me the gala ball room on the Titanic, moments before it struck that ice berg.

    Meanwhile, Richard Fernadez stares into the cesspool of Washington and cautions us something is different. Its no longer business as usual. And it may not be so easy to put humpty dumpty together again. The root of the problem? General Motors controls government, and what is good for General Motors, may have been good for America in the 1950 as he slogan went, but today the opposite is true.

    Three interlocking storylines: the open challenge by Cruz, Rubio and Lee to half-measures against Obamacare; the presidential veto of the defense funding bill and the struggle over the Speakership of the House — indeed of the relationship between the Speaker and the members collectively describe a real crisis in Washington. The system is freezing up and nobody knows how the gridlocking systems will unjam themselves. It’s a cliffhanger with no ending yet.

    Yet the drama in Congress is itself part of a larger narrative: the unprecedented collapse of American foreign policy; the failure of traditional Republican presidential candidates to make a showing; the soap opera adventures of Hillary Clinton to name a few. The testimony of Hillary Clinton before the Benghazi congressional committee provided into a peek into a dysfunctional system. If the executive branch runs itself as Hillary recounted, then it’s a hell of a way to run a railroad.

    Much as Washington may deny it, something fundamental has changed. Something is broken. It is no longer possible to conduct business as usual. Political actors, sensing this, are choosing this moment to challenge. Most of them, like Cruz, Rubio and Lee — or the Freedom Caucus — are acutely aware that they are now in terra incognita. The risks are high, but none is higher than remaining where they are.

  10. Or, if it was Barack Obama just before his reelection who in order to maintain the illusion of a nonexistent peace with the Muslim world did not issue orders or prevented the issuance of orders for a world-wide alert at all American embassies, consulates, military installations, and other offices of the American government or American institutions, then Barack Obama is not fit to be president…”

    I get that someone (Obama) should have issued the alert orders – but then again, wouldn’t all foreign American military bases know what Sept 11 is, and that it was approaching..? I’m not military so I don’t know exactly what the procedures are – would they need a presidential order to send out soldiers to listen for the word on the ground, or to otherwise prepare themselves just in case? As far as I know there were no specific threats identified beforehand (through social media chatter or something), so if they don’t need orders, I would have thought that all bases would have known, as each Sept 11 approached, that they needed to be prepared…?

    Anyway, besides the being-prepared issue, I really think Obama issued stand down orders – don’t help the guys under fire. We know there was no order to help, because the guys that went to help did so on their own volition. I think that Obama DID give an order, and it was to stand down. That would definitely be a scandal and hopefully qualify for consequences. But I doubt we’ll ever know. Hillary would know. But she won’t tell, of course… Party over country….

    Hmmm…. what if Obama refused to do what a normal president would in these circumstances, because he wanted to get re-elected, and Hillary didn’t reveal Obama’s treacherousness then or even now because SHE wants to get elected…..

    I fault Hillary for lying to that father’s face, and I fault her for hiding Obama’s many bad moves. But Obama is her boss, and the buck stops with him – plus, I think he’s just plain responsible anyway. But I fault Hillary for lying to that father’s face, and I fault her for hiding Obama’s many bad moves. Especially if she’s doing it for self-serving purposes….

  11. Of course, the Benghazi committee hearings this week backfired for the Repubs who wound up looking like bullies, on the one hand, and baffoons, on the other. That is, what it did do for HRC is help her win some support from the Left, something I thought I’d never see!) Of course, her campaign so far has been too closely tied to BO, and so will definitely hurt her in the general — especially, if Donald is the GOP nominee. If by some reason Ben Carson is the nominee — he looks like a nice guy, but is truly boring! — then Hillary will have a slightly better chance in the general election, especially if she tacks to the center. But this would mean she would have to show a meaningful difference between herself and the current administration. Question is, how does/can she do this? If Donald is the GOP nominee and ties her to BO, then she will lose, as Admin says.

    Then again, if the general election has already been decided by the powers that be, none of this will matter. My mood this time around is more “que sera sera.” Yes, I’d like her to get the Dem nomination because it was stolen from her in 2008, but if, in the end, Donald becomes POTUS I won’t be devastated. Actually, I think he is a centrist too, in many ways. This said, the campaign between HRC and DT — Brains vs Bravado — would be truly something to watch. I only hope it’s a FAIR fight. If Donald and the GOP, however, resort to misogyny as a campaign strategy, then that’s a deal breaker for me.

  12. trixta, from what I read, the GOP wants anyone BUT Trump, so I don’t think they’re going to work with him. I’m starting to think that the GOP would rather lose than have Trump, and the dems would rather lose than have Hillary. And IMO, Trump is like Hillary in that he studies deeply about issues. I’m often amazed at what he knows. If she debates as she did in the first dem debate, she’ll have a problem one-on-one with Trump, because every time she talks about another free program as a solution, he’s going to point out the economic issues with that. And of course, most of the country, across party lines, is with him on the immigration issue, so he’s going to get her on that. Anyway, it would probably be interesting to watch….

  13. he dems would rather lose than have Hillary.
    ————-
    No, that is not true.

    They elites of the party will get behind her—in fact, they already have. She is their representative, and that is a hard cold fact. It is the base who will be hard to convince. And, the one thing about the elites is, the will do anything possible to win. They cannot bear the thought of being out on the street.

    With Trump however, what you say is very true. The elites of the party would rather lose than make peace with him. The careers of their entire consulting class hierarchy is threatened by someone who spits in their eye and tells them they are corrupt and incompetent, and promises to restore America’s greatness at their expense, thereby reversing the status quo where they always win, at the expense of America in general and the middle class in particular.

    I am a Reagan Democrat. When Hillary campaigned for the middle class–meaning the non government working class, and had 26 officers of flag rank endorse her, I was in her corner. But now, as she aligns herself with the elites, and promises to sally forth on Obama’s statist left wing agenda, and take us even further in the wrong direction . . . how can I, and be true to what I believe.

    To be even more honest, I have serious doubts that she is capable of leading this country. And I think if she gets the nomination, and somehow the presidency, it will all fall apart. As a matter of fact, I can pretty much guarantee it. Re-read if you will, Richard Fernadez column. He is not per se a Hillary hater. He is, instead, a student of how shaky our current national consensus is, and how it has produced grid lock and paralysis in Washington.

    Still thou art bless’d compared to me
    The present only toucheth thee
    An’ backward thou I cast my ee
    On prospects drear
    And forward thou I cannot see
    I guess and fear.

  14. What is forcing matters to this point is something that the obscene Tom Friedman wrote about years ago in his book The World is Flat. There is a megapolitical realignment taking place in our political system, which the current parties cannot address. Our domestic policy, like our foreign policy—relics of the post World War II era, is collapsing under the forces of gloabalization. This has produced seismic activity and schisms within both parties. What will emerge over time is two parties: a wall party, which is nationalistic in character, vs. an internationalist part for the well heeled citizens of the world, who will use the underclass to bleed the middle class dry while preserving their supply of caviar. They are not nearly as bad as this sounds however. They will be quite happy to let the midddle class eat cake, but no caviar please, it could raise the price for their staple food.

  15. As there is some sentiment that Hillary is brilliant because she can withstand a grueling cross examination by Congress—if that is what it really was, rather than a overhyped farce—except for the Jim Jordan piece which was very effective, let me suggest that is a matter of witness preparation and Hillary was well prepared. She knew when to be direct, and when to be evasive, and she had help from the democarats on the committee, who will get the same treatment when their turn comes.

    But I would suggest that on the question that counts, namely the ability to turn this country around, that skill, such as it is, has very little bearing. It is as irrelevant as being a community organizer. The job requires, especially at this point, high moral character, a love of country, and a strong mind, not a brilliant one. A mind that is capable of taking all the information that comes in during the course of a day and placing it in the proper place in the mind, because it is the ability to keep everything in such balance that the power of judgment depends. Some people are capable of summoning hatred as she consistently has toward Republicans, capable of charging a hill, capable of killing them all and letting god sort them out. They are fine for limited engagements but they do not have the skill set to lead an army. Put differently, a nation of lions led by a stag is not a nation of lions.

  16. What will emerge over time is two parties: a wall party, which is nationalistic in character, vs. an internationalist part(y)
    ———
    In the face of globalization, we find ourselves in that sorry state wandering between two worlds, one dead, the other powerless to be born. Matthew Arnold captured the sentiment many of us feel at this point, in an obscure poem called Dover Beach. His sense of emptiness emerged from the loss of faith in Christianity, caused by a different megapolitical force–the origin of the species, by Darwin. Ours come from a different source—the loss of our culture, our constitution and our nation, i.e.

    Dover Beach
    BY MATTHEW ARNOLD
    The sea is calm tonight.
    The tide is full, the moon lies fair
    Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
    Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
    Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
    Come to the window, sweet is the night-air!
    Only, from the long line of spray
    Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
    Listen! you hear the grating roar
    Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
    At their return, up the high strand,
    Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
    With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
    The eternal note of sadness in.

    Sophocles long ago
    Heard it on the Ægean, and it brought
    Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
    Of human misery; we
    Find also in the sound a thought,
    Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

    The Sea of Faith
    Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
    Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
    But now I only hear
    Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
    Retreating, to the breath
    Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
    And naked shingles of the world.

    Ah, love, let us be true
    To one another! for the world, which seems
    To lie before us like a land of dreams,
    So various, so beautiful, so new,
    Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
    Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
    And we are here as on a darkling plain
    Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
    Where ignorant armies clash by night.

  17. Like I say, the ability to spar with mentally challenged congress pukes is hardly the issue.

    The question is what does Benghazi tell us about the tenor of Hillary’s leadership.

    Her defense was other people handled it, not my problem, and the infamous what difference does it make.

    How many future disasters does this failure of leadership foreshadow.

    The response, while verbally adept, was what lawyers call confession and avoidance

    Only there is no confession here.

    Nor a compelling dissertation of how she would avoid the problem in the future.

    This points to the decision the nation will face in 2016.

    Running government efficiently is A MANAGEMENT SKILL, NOT A POLITICAL ONE.

    That is why the electorate is looking outside the glass menagerie of the political class.

    It is, in short, the strong suit–and the allure of Donald Trump.

  18. wbboei
    October 24, 2015 at 6:58 am
    He is, instead, a student of how shaky our current national consensus is, and how it has produced grid lock and paralysis in Washington.

    The divide and conquer schemes of both parties has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. It is now biting them in the ass. When you set out to get different competing groups to the point that they are at each others throats pulling anything together like a coalition becomes all but impossible under the direction of an establishment “leader” or figurehead. The shakeout proceeds but not under any one person or group’s control. A consensus may emerge but is it uncontrollable. We are also seeing this happening in Europe. The EU technocrats and especially Merkel went too far, made a hash of EVERYTHING (there are two hundred thousand already denied status non-refugees on the dole taking up scarce resources that she hadn’t bothered to deport before the current invasion that she failed to mention before inviting more in), and are loosing trust and legitimacy. This leads to systemic policy and economic failure like dominoes falling.

    I still think the tipping point in the US was the border invasion from the summer of 2014. Both parties very badly misjudged the taxpaying public’s sympathy/empathy tolerance. When the entire world outside your house is a victim you cease to care anymore and know you are being played or manipulated unless you have a death wish. At some point biological survival instincts kick in and I don’t think elites get it yet. They will have to be made vulnerable to see and I’m not sure that is legal. It is possible to make them irrelevant and already happening to the establishment Republican consultant, flack and money gathering class (see Scott Walker and !Jeb campaigns). There is a re-alignment going on but it is not controlled by political parties or economic interests currently in power. It looks something like a preference cascade going sideways. We are living in interesting times.

  19. What I would do to be a fly on the wall down the road at the Bush family conclave about !Jeb and his catastrophe. Trying to address his primary problem of bleeding from all of his major arteries !MONEY! with absolutely nothing to show for it but humiliation and “low T” jokes, and slashing handouts to goobers who profess their undying love and loyalty to Karl Rove, I hope they scheduled a hazmat team to clean all the hair, teeth, $h*#, and torn clothing after old Barb gets through with them for making a monkey out her “slow” son. Rove thought he needed one more payday before he shuffles off into infamy. Now he can minus his ass.

  20. Shadowfax
    October 23, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    Hillary is some kind of woman.

    Right or wrong, she walks into the lion’s den and sits down for a cup of tea and a good laugh. Works for the man that hates her because she is everything he wants to be.

    I guess if Hillary didn’t have this unique part of her personality, she would be someone else.

    For better or for worse, I love this woman.
    ________________

    Hell yeah, Shadowfax!!!! Perfectly stated.

  21. Wbb,

    Wonderful posts. Hillary’s failure of leadership, her Marie Antoinette stance foretells a future of inability to lead this once Great Nation into the future.
    It was shocking to me to witness her clavier attitude.
    14 hours of what?:He’ll I work with the mentally ill 12 hours a day.period.

  22. Republicans want anyone but Trump. Obama wants anyone but Hillary. Let the people make their choice. How many votes get voided?

  23. Wbb

    “I am a Reagan Democrat.”

    ———-
    Okay, that explains a lot to me. To me, Raygun has pure Republican, at most, he leaned to the left on social issues when he was the Governor of my state, and I remember it well.

  24. Lorac, well said (@ 10/24 3:18am)! It’ll be interesting to see how the GOP will try to foil Trump’s nomination (dirty tricks, cheating, demonization, and all). I’m still surprised at how quickly Jeb Bush fizzled. (Thank you, Donald! Karl Rove must be beside himself!) I’d actually like to see debates between HRC and DT– but only if they’re fair and don’t get reduced to personal attacks, etc. (I think…hope…BOTH will be battling it out in the center.) It would be satisfying to see either one at the helm, especially because certain elements in their respective parties have tried/are trying to knock them out of the running. (I still have a feeling Obama’s boy Biden will insert himself during the Dem primary in an effort to push/keep HRC more to the left.) But we shall see how it all unfolds. The one outcome I’d like to see after this presidential election is the end to both BO and Bush’s stranglehold on the political parties and on national politics in general. One can only hope….

  25. …back in town…

    only got to watch a little of Hillary’s 11th hour…she was very poised…and smart…and held her own and more against mostly testasterone (sp) frothing at the mouth men…

    she looked great…her smile and hairdo are beautiful

    I still love her too and love the idea of getting Hillary and Bill back

    ******************************

    all was good…until the next day and she went back to praising O to the high heavens and promises she will continue his “legacy” and “all the progress he and Biden have made” but, she emphasizes, she will do even more…

    ************************************

    I was thinking that we can’t lose with either Hillary or Trump winning the Presidency but when I hear her speaking that way…literally tied to Obama and his shadow…I cannot in good conscience believe our country will make the needed changes if she wins…who is she beholden to…all those millions of dollars of donations from who?…how can she break free from that?…and what exists as the far leftD emocratic party will box her in

    …and she intends to allow more and more illegal immigration…

    just today I read that there is a surge of thousands and thousands of illegals coming into the USA as i write this…

    I can still love Hillary…and Bill…if she does not win…she will be fine and create all kinds of projects to help people…and then she will be free to do it the way she wants…she will not be free under the constraints she is promising…

    so I have big doubts

  26. I was never a Reagan Dem. I was an active Democratic believer until 2008. As charming, bright and delightful Hillary is, her policies are bad for our nation and I can’t support her. I feel that people here who do are either putting personality over country or really don’t care about illegal immigration, TPP, lousy healthcare, American jobs, our middle east policy, etc.
    Frankly, I’m confused by some of the posts I read here.

  27. …on the other hand…for the first time in about a week I had a chance to watch Donald’s rally last night in Doral, Florida and part of it today in Jacksonville, Fla…part of last night was really poignant and had depth…

    yes he can be rough around the edges…but he is the real deal…

    and I love how this man is spilling all the secrets…all the tricks…all the insider info that all the other campaigns are caught up in…and how he goes after the media…it is like he is talking to us and wants to bring us all into the conversation and let people see what is really going on…

    …not to mention and to be fair…the man is so funny…he is forward looking…he does instill hope and change…and The Donald, like Bill Clinton, is a force of nature

    it is like he loves pulling the bandaid off and exposing the wound for what it is…
    I love his passion…and all of it without a teleprompter…all from his head…Donald trump is not programmed and focus group tested…and he does not have to worry about offending Barack Obama…or Joe Biden…

    whereas I have major doubts that Hillary can continue to tie herself to O and go further left than Bernie…and then be believable in the national campaign when she suddenly is a moderate for the middle class…

    I do not have those doubts about Donald…yes, I wish he would stop insulting people, it makes me cringe and is not my style at all…and yes, I am shocked when I hear him swear on live tv at one of his rallies…as he did today in Jacksonville…leaves you wondering, ‘did he really just say that?’

    but I believe this man is on a mission…and is in competition with himself to not only win…but really change things that have needed changing for probably the last forty years or so…Donald will toss and turn all night trying to come up with solutions for our problems…he will outdeal, outsmart and bring home the bacon for the USA…that I have no doubts about…and he wants so badly to prove it…

    we need big changes…yes…all those trade imbalances…Hillary barely touches that issue…immigration they are opposites…

    Donald will be very bold for the USA … and care for the middle class…and those unfortunate that need it…he will not mince words…people will know where he stands…like it or not…

    ******************

    in an ideal fantasy…it would be wonderful to have Donald and Hillary as the top two running the country…

    but that fantasy is silly…

  28. S,

    I am silly with you. But I would be grateful to have Trump and Hillary as the two running for POTUS. It would be the first time in my lifetime that there would be a hard choice between two presidential candidates I liked.

    This country is in a whole lot of trouble.

  29. the other tricky thing about the national campaign is that if Trump gets the nomination Hillary is not going to be running against your usual Republican…

    alot of what she would be able to throw at a generic republican is not going to be true for Trump…Trump, the rebel Republican…a chameleon…

    …while Donald is running as a Republican…he says new things…new refreshing things…no one ever heard come out of a “republican” before…

    he is already staking out his territory as an Independent…
    as I have said often…he is going to take the best from both parities and be very hard to box in…except for immigration and most of the country agrees with him…

    he has already said he will do things “his party” does not like or agree with” ie, his approach to healthcare

    so Hillary will be running against an very independent “republican” with a mind of his own…who won the nomination by winning votes…and not having to promise his belief system for political donations and he will not beholden to any special interests for anything…nice hand to be holding…and he already has one of her “coalition” groups on his side with the working class cheering for Trump…

  30. “Silly”? HRC & DT are the current two front runners, after all. We all have our own opinions and desired outcomes here, and I respect that. Besides, circumstances and opinions change as the campaigns progress, and November 2016 pretty far away. I view all of our posts as an ongoing discussion. Calling out someone’s opinion as “silly,” etc. is counter-productive. In any case, after 2008 and 2012 I feel quite powerless as a “voter.” Haven’t decided if I’ll even cast my vote, regardless which two candidates wind up as the nominees. I appreciate Admins articles and all of your opinions and insights here. That’s why I can’t ever stay away or be silent for too long.

  31. Right now, this election is between Hillary and Trump. I wonder if Trump will drop out if he isn’t the nominee, or will he stay in as a third party candidate?

    Will Trump end up being a spoiler like Perot?

  32. One big question for the GOP, are you willing to let a wealthy outsider win the Primary, and have a chance at winning the WhiteHouse, or are you too concerned with having control over the leader of your party if he wins? And, will the Trump, conservative hating voters go to the polls to vote for him this election, or stay home like in 2008 and 2012?

    This is very different than the D’s election in 2008 where there was a real battle for the supporters of Hillary and Barry.

  33. Wbb,

    Wonderful posts. Hillary’s failure of leadership, foretells a future of inability to succeed, and be the leader this once Great Nation so desperately needs to navigate into the future.
    It was shocking to me to witness.i believed in 2008 she was so much more…
    I’m not in any way abdicating Obama and his overall responsibility that no one seems to give a care about..it’s so obvious, yet we are waiting for a child to scream “the Emperor had no clothes”. If Obama is tagged, his entire false Presidency is open to the failure and cover up by the elites that it is… that she has been part of this coverup, that’s so distressing.

    14 hours of what?:Hell, I work with the medically and mentally ill 12 hours a day, standing.period.The verbal abuse nurses receive on a daily basis, if not in some cases physical, I would put that more than equal to her one time grilling. Almost a walk in the park.

  34. trixta…

    if you are referring to my use of the word “silly”

    I was talking about a fantasy of having Hillary and Trump running the country TOGETHER…as in…

    **************

    in an ideal fantasy…it would be wonderful to have Donald and Hillary as the top two running the country…

    but that fantasy is silly…

    *********************

    obviously it has to be one or the other…perhaps you misunderstood

    *************************************

    Shadowfax…imho…DT says over and over again…’he is not going anywhere’…if the repubs play dirty with him and try to deny him the nomination if he wins it…he will go rogue and take his supporters with him…and probably leave the republican establishment in his dust…look at the polls…their candidates are barely off the ground…

  35. That is the question, Shadow, concerning Trump. He certainly would be a viable third party candidate.

    As for Jim Webb, he too has threatened to run as a third party candidate, but he pales in every way to HRC or Trump. Still, I wish he would have stayed in the Dem race and just gotten better instead of angry. I have a sense that he’s trying to pull a Trump (i.e arguing with debate moderators & threatening to run as an indie), but it’s not working, for obvious reasons. Only Trump can do Trump.

  36. Donald has said he will take it right to the convention…and he if does rack up win after win he will have alot of leverage…it would be hard for them to deny him as the nominee, but I believe it would be hard for him to run as an independent because I think he would have had to be on the ballot within time requirements…

    maybe he could be a write in? does anyone know how that works legally? is there a such thing as a write in that could be validated by counting votes or does it get all complicated with delegates?

    bottom line if he wins and wins primary after primary and wins…I think “he wins” : )

  37. I think things are going to change a lot over the next year. We have seen a rally on the stock market, but all other economic indicators are bad, and the central banks were buying stocks this week with the ZIRP money flowing for the hedge funds and high frequency traders. They are raping the dead corpse one more time to get more ZIRP money out of it. Indicators point to a global depression like we have never seen before. Bank of America is expecting the bond market in China to go bad by next summer as their economy continues to implode.

    Warren Buffett’s new economy, where those who do not adjust get sold in Afghanistan, is crashing. They will string us along for as long as they can.

    Flashback to 2008: What if we had a POTUS who had directed stimulus funds into the infrastructure, roads and electrical grids, medical and educational facilities and recirculated it to the populous? Maybe we would have something besides overpriced housing and stocks, with a totally parasitic elite class of boobs.

  38. I believe Trump makes some of the hot comments in order to get free air time and media coverage. If you read his book, you will see that he believes any coverage is better than none….get attention and then make something positive from it. He is also not one to waste money He always hedges his bets and plots his moves like a fine chess player. I so hope he makes it. I have actually debased myself and registered as a R in NY just so I can vote for him in the primary.

  39. LU4PUMA…

    what really drives me crazy…yesterday O is making comments going on about how “gloomy” the republicans are…he calls them “grumpy cat”
    and then he goes on to talk about all the “progress” he is making…

    perhaps O needs to get out about average americans to see how happy, happy they are with his admin…i looked at real politics his disapproval is higher than his approval in every poll…great strategy for Hillary to support a president the country disapproves of…

    a while ago someone posted an article about other countries that are starting to question O’s mental state…is he delusional?

    how can that man stand there and talk like everything is just fine…and his opposition is so “gloomy, grumpy cats” when the world is blowing up around us and almost everything O has done is either falling apart or has been a complete failure…

    and he just stands there with the O grin…smirking like the ‘cheshire cat’…

  40. Last night TCM aired The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Maureen O’Hara was resplendent in that movie released in the magic year for cinema of 1939. Today we hear Maureen O’Hara has died. As greatly as she is respected and achieved fame she never really has gotten all the kudos she deserved. Goodbye to Maureen O’Hara who will never be forgotten.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/10/maureen-o-hara-dead-obituary

    “I guess everybody was in love with Maureen O’Hara,” Clint Eastwood said of Maureen O’Hara at the 2014 Governors Awards. An Irish-born actress and one of Hollywood’s biggest stars in the 1940s and 50s, Maureen O’Hara passed away today at the age of 95, per a statement from her family.

    “Maureen was our loving mother, grandmother, great-grandmother and friend,” the statement read. “She passed peacefully surrounded by her loving family as they celebrated her life listening to music from her favorite movie, The Quiet Man.”

    The Dublin-born O’Hara first broke into motion pictures in 1939, with roles in Alfred Hitchcock’s Jamaica Inn and as Esmerelda, opposite Charles Laughton’s Quasimodo, in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Over her celebrated career, O’Hara worked with the greats of her time, including John Ford (most notably on the 1941 Best Picture winner How Green Was My Valley) and John Wayne, with whom she made five films, including 1952’s The Quiet Man. She is, perhaps, most widely remembered for her roles in two family films, The Parent Trap and Miracle on 34th Street.

    O’Hara’s last film performance was in 1991, in director Chris Columbus’ Only the Lonely, where she played John Candy’s overbearing Irish mother.

    Last November, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences presented an honorary Oscar to Maureen O’Hara for her long and memorable career. Presenter Liam Neeson said of O’Hara, “For anyone anywhere around the world who loves movies, she is more than simply an Irish movie star, she is one of the true legends of cinema. A woman whose skill and range of talent is unsurpassed.”

  41. S

    bottom line if he wins and wins primary after primary and wins…I think “he wins” : )

    ———-
    That’s the way it SHOULD be, but that’s also the way it should have been in 2008, but we know how the ‘winner’ turned out in that primary.

    I hope for Trump’s sake, the GOP sees they can’t win with anyone less than Trump.

    I would love to see a Hillary vs Trump debate, and watch how the chips fall.

  42. Maureen O’Hara was so absolutely stunningly beautiful and played so many fine roles. Furthermore, she had the sense not to think it qualified her to be a politician.

  43. S
    October 24, 2015 at 4:56 pm
    ————————
    He has a rubber band brain that bounces off reality with denial. That is characteristic of a chemically dependent person as well as a multitude of mental disorders.

    Just like a drunk who causes disaster after disaster and keeps on drinking.

  44. I cannot in good conscience believe our country will make the needed changes if she wins…who is she beholden to…all those millions of dollars of donations from who?…how can she break free from that?…and what exists as the far left Democratic party will box her in

    …and she intends to allow more and more illegal immigration…

    just today I read that there is a surge of thousands and thousands of illegals coming into the USA as i write this…

    I can still love Hillary…and Bill…if she does not win…

    Spot on.

    Bolding mine.

    That’s why I say (and wbboei just said somewhere in thread), voting for Hillary would be voting against what I believe in. I haven’t changed. SHE CHANGED. And as I also say and S says somewhere in this thread, she can’t change 180 degrees in primary and be believable – she went TOO FAR left, she is swearing allegiance to Obama – really, I’m going to believe her in a few months when she says, “fake out!” and laughs and laughs….?

    And whether she tries the 180 or not, we all know she is not going to affect illegal immigration or take the chance of “offending” any minority or causing a “trigger alert” (that REALLY has to GO) for her lefty friends in doing so.

    She won’t do what this country needs. Things are worse than when she ran against Obama, and mostly BECAUSE of him and his policies (and her supporting them). She has to make too many special interests happy to do what this nation needs.

    It’s a dangerous time, physically, economically, culturally. We need a no-nonsense person, not a person with strings on them, a politician of the highest order, who I’m not even sure anymore believes in the things that need to be done/not done.

    I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for Hillary…. Hillary2008, that is… she has changed….

  45. maybe he could be a write in? does anyone know how that works legally? is there a such thing as a write in that could be validated by counting votes or does it get all complicated with delegates?

    S, remember that question came up in 2008. I don’t remember all the particulars, except that not all states allow write ins.

  46. how can that man stand there and talk like everything is just fine…and his opposition is so “gloomy, grumpy cats” when the world is blowing up around us and almost everything O has done is either falling apart or has been a complete failure…

    and he just stands there with the O grin…smirking like the ‘cheshire cat’…

    The narcissist-in-chief NEEDS to believe all is well and he is amazing. That’s been his defense against his deep feelings of abandonment and worthlessness his whole life. Should he start to accept all his deep failings…. well, let’s just say, he’s going to need a whole lot more drugs….

  47. I believe Trump makes some of the hot comments in order to get free air time and media coverage. If you read his book, you will see that he believes any coverage is better than none….get attention and then make something positive from it.

    Yes, I agree, and observation shows that he *does* turn it all into positive. And he has been very clear he is a counter puncher, won’t throw the first punch. I think he needs to start telling the truth about Carson, but Carson’s been pretty mum. There was the one flare up when Carson said something about Trump, then Trump countered with “he’s an okay surgeon” – then Carson backed down, some say because he knew Trump could go further with the medical allegations. Carson apologized, so Trump stood down.

    But he needs to talk about him, he’s his closest threat. I noticed Trump just said something about Presbyterian being middle of the road, but he doesn’t know about this 7th day Adventism. It’s not a big attack, but I think he’s trying to bait Carson, as he easily did with Bush by mentioning his brother. Then Trump can start telling truths about Carson and Carson won’t be such a close 2nd… That’s my suspicion of what’s going on right now…

  48. wbboei – you know more than I do about politics. I agree that Wall St wants Hillary, she has strong ties to them, and I know they’re part of the elite. But the DNC is in Chicago now, full of obots, and I think they’d rather lose than have Hillary, then run a fresh Obama clone in 4 years. I don’t know who will win, the elites or the DNC….?

  49. I wasn’t into John Wayne, but of course I saw Maureen O’Hara in the original Miracle on 34th street and the original Parent Trap. And I LOVE TCM – mostly the movies from the 30s, but I have also enjoyed the 40s movies. So I’ve seen others of her movies, and she was great.

    And you have to love an Irish woman! 🙂 (especially since all our ancestors’ cultures are now being overrun and destroyed….)

  50. Hypocrite much….

    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/10/24/hypocrite-much-turns-out-benghazi-chairman-trey-gowdy-also-uses-a-private-email-server/

    Let’s state the facts right up front: We have determined that the chairman of the House Benghazi committee, Trey Gowdy, got his ass handed to him this week by Hillary Clinton. We’ve also come to realize that Gowdy tends to sweat a lot (a whole lot!) on his face when he gets worked up. Lastly, we’re still wondering, What is up with that head of his? It looks like a football or Stewie on “Family Guy.”

    Now we can add massive hypocrite to the list of facts about Congressman Gowdy. Why? Because it turns out that he runs his own domain name from his own server. And yet he wanted to tar and feather Secretary Clinton for maintaining a private email server while she was at the State Department.

    According to Alternet:

    “Gowdy maintains his own domain treygowdy.com. For example, one campaign contact email he used was info@treygowdy.com. While it’s not unusual to maintain such a thing particularly for campaign work, it’s not clear that Gowdy utilizes this email solely for political campaign work and not congressional tasks.

    “AlterNet asked Gowdy’s office through both a telephone inquiry followed up by an email communication to his press secretary about how he segregates work he conducts through his personal domain vs congressional work. We also inquired about where his personal email server is stored and how it is secured.

    “We also attempted to contact Gowdy campaign manager George Ramsey, but he did not return our phone calls. In 48 hours, the deadline we set, we received no response.”

    So, Congressman Gowdy, when do the hearings on your email server begin? What’s that? You don’t plan to hold any? Oh, I see: You have no problem looking like the biggest asshat hypocrite in Washington. One more question: Why does your head look like a football?

    Damn! He ran away.

    As it happens, Gowdy is not the only member of the House GOP who is using what seems to be a private email account for official business. Take a look at this business card from Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz, who has been busy in recent weeks attempting to end federal funding for Planned Parenthood:

    ………………….

    lol…..anything to say…..

  51. Right now, this election is between Hillary and Trump. I wonder if Trump will drop out if he isn’t the nominee, or will he stay in as a third party candidate?

    Well, we know Hillary won’t. Party over country, and all that. She should have done it in 2008, and we wouldn’t have had all this degradation of not just the party, but the country and the world. Trump isn’t beholden to the party or any donors, so he’s free to make a choice….

  52. are you too concerned with having control over the leader of your party if he wins?

    Shadow, you’re asking the GOP a good question. Right now I think they’re fighting to have someone they can control.

    Of course, at least there’s a fight, thanks to Trump. Hillary was against Obama, but she’s not against the DNC, the party. That was just a fight who would win the presidency, it wasn’t about crushing the party and cleaning it up, as is going on with the repubs. The Trump supporters know he isn’t a conservative, and conservatives (and the crossover indys and dems) are putting Country over Party…

    Of course Hillary2008 was a million times better than Obama, and she fought hard for certain (good) issues, but was never about changing the system as a whole. She won’t even tell about illegalities, let alone bad processes, because the party is everything to her. (Remember when we all did County over Party – and SHE did NOT….?) And she’s not even Hillary2008 anymore, she proudly exclaims to be Obama III. So again with the dems, it’s just a fight about who wins the office, IMO…

    I’m not like Hillary I guess. I was Country over Party 2008, and I still am….

  53. Besides, circumstances and opinions change as the campaigns progress, and November 2016 pretty far away. I view all of our posts as an ongoing discussion.

    Trixta, I agree with you, and I think of course everyone should be in the discussion. I don’t agree with or understand people who want to vote for Hillary when she is against what I think they believe in, it seems to me to be Candidate over Country. But I want to hear what everyone has to say, even if I don’t agree or understand.

    The thing is, I haven’t changed, and the person who is what I thought was Hillary2008 is now Trump. Hillary left that persona behind and married Obama. (I did not know at the time -2008 – that she has always been for amnesty, as shadow pointed out a while back.) So, I’m still voting for what I voted for in 2008, except now those values are being supported by a different candidate…. and one who actually seems able to meaningfully, positively restore America….

  54. gonzo – I’ve gathered that you’re an RN. I suspect that shadow and I may have the same type of degree, but I think I work in your setting or similar. And I agree.

    When I was younger I thought that rich = entitled. But it turns out, there are a whole LOT of people out there who think they are special and entitled…. and have no problems LOUDLY and PHYSICALLY letting you know that…. although they don’t all have documented psychiatric diagnoses….

  55. I guess I’m not all excited about the Benghazi stuff … I mean, if the investigators are being slimy, yes! that needs to come out. I want to know the TRUTH of Benghazi, though…. too bad we may never know, I guess…

    I DO blame Hillary for lying to that father (that upsets me terribly) and for hiding the truth. But ultimately (not just “the buck stops here”) Obama is to blame – he is, cringe -ingly, the CIC. Wrong choices were made that night, and I do believe in my heart that Obama was drugged up (as a matter of routine or in fear of having to DO something) or otherwise curled up in a corner. But I don’t think Hillary made those bad choices, I’m sure Jarrett was right there barking orders. So that blame doesn’t go to Hillary. But she is responsible for her lies of omission, and her plumping Obama up…. she let the country go to h3ll… and that is a bad, bad thing as well…

    She was strong in the interrogations? How wonderful. She was strong when it saved her own butt. She was NOT strong about Benghazi, and she’s NOT strong about Obama… when it would save the country….

  56. OMG…. it just hit me…. Hillary rightly complained about debate moderators plumping Obama’s pillow (or getting one for him or something)…. and now SHE is plumping his pillow.

    OMG.

  57. It’s Saturday, and I have a lot some rare free time today. I read the rest of the thread and just made a bunch of comments, and they’re all in a row. It’s like a hard press, so I want to re-emphasize that I appreciate EVERYone contributing their views, not just the ones I understand and agree with. For example, shadow – I’ve probably pissed her off more than once, but in truth, she’s always been my favorite person here. Over the years, I’ve admired her stalwart support of Hillary, shadow has been the most loyal person ever. I respect her for that, and I especially did all this time since 2008, plus shadow is just a cool person in the first place. It just happens that I see Hillary as a changed person, so she (Hillary) is alienating me more and more. But I don’t feel alienated from and I haven’t stopped liking the people whom I no longer agree with. We were “born” together… we’re just disagreeing siblings… but PUMAs will always be dear to my heart, my siblings…

    Anyway, all my posts in a row looked to me like I was being forceful or trying to pound my points – and I don’t want little ole me to shut anyone up. I WANT to hear everyone’s point of view… I just had some spare time and kept posting lol

  58. Moon, I originally thought Gowdy was an upstanding kind of guy, but it looks like the Benghazi Committee never did intend to get to the facts. I feel so bad for the families who still have questions about this tragedy and who continue to suffering from their loss. Here’s an excerpt of a long speech given by David Brock to The World Affairs Council in Philadelphia (10/21/15) concerning just how compromised Gowdy is. If any of these allegations are true, I find them quite disturbing, indeed shocking:

    ****************

    “The Benghazi Committee’s Out of Control Effort to Destroy Hillary Clinton at All Costs”

    [….]

    Gowdy owes his political livelihood to the Koch brothers. Five years ago, when an incumbent Republican Congressman from South Carolina named Bob Inglis wandered off the reservation by acknowledging that climate change is a real threat, the Kochs backed Gowdy — then a County Solicitor — to run against Inglis in a primary, helping him win a stunning upset victory.

    They’ve gotten their money’s worth. In 2012, Gowdy was one of just 40 members of the House to receive a 100 percent score from the Kochs’ Americans for Prosperity, a perfect score he has maintained throughout this Congress, as well. He backed measures to expand offshore drilling — including off the coast of South Carolina — a key Koch priority. And, to this day, the Kochs remain his second-largest career donor.

    So Gowdy was the ideal candidate to run this show trial and help achieve the Kochs’ number-one goal: keeping Hillary Clinton out of the White House.

    That was Gowdy’s mission from Day One, one that has elevated his reputation in Republican ranks.

    Conservative operative Bill Kristol has declared Gowdy “the Most Valuable Republican of the 2016 election cycle so far.” In the last few weeks, Gowdy was being floated as a candidate to move up to Majority Leader or even Speaker. Donald Trump said he’d make Gowdy his Attorney General, and Lindsey Graham said he should be on the Supreme Court someday. There was even talk about Gowdy ending up on a presidential ticket. Quite a rise from County Solicitor in just five years.

    ***

    Initially, Chairman Gowdy pledged to run a non-partisan fact-finding inquiry. “I have no friends to reward,” he said, “and no foes to punish. We’re going to go wherever the facts take us.”

    This was a lie.

    Before he was even appointed, and long before Kevin McCarthy let the cat out of the bag, Gowdy sat down for a little-noticed interview with none other than Ginni Thomas, a key player in the original effort to politicize Benghazi, published in the right-wing Daily Caller. In it, Gowdy pre-judged the entire inquiry, stating flatly that he believed Hillary Clinton had committed unspecified crimes, and that he was certain she was ready to perjure herself before Congress.

    In other words, the fix was in from the first bang of his gavel.

    For example: Six months into the committee’s work, Democratic Ranking Member Elijah Cummings wrote to Gowdy that Democrats were being wrongly excluded, pointing to at least five witness interviews that took place without Democratic members or staff allowed to be present.

    Moreover, Cummings noted that Gowdy was consistently downplaying or outright hiding information gained from these secret interviews that might undermine his trumped-up case against Clinton.

    Gowdy has steadfastly refused to adopt committee rules that give the Democratic minority a voice in its proceedings — or even a heads-up about what Republican members and staff are doing.

    In addition, Gowdy established a pattern of abusing his authority to issue subpoenas without debate, and even without a vote, dictating the course of the investigation himself without input from the Democratic minority.

    Meanwhile, Gowdy consistently refused to provide full public transcripts of secret witness interviews, or even allow for a committee vote on disclosing them. Instead, he and his henchmen leaked cherry-picked excerpts to skew the news.

    Committee leaks, in fact, were behind two blockbuster New York Times stories — one suggesting that Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account may have violated federal law, and the other that a federal criminal investigation into her email practices was underway. Both of these stories were based on false information, and had to be corrected or retracted. Yet both of them dominated the news cycle and set off fevered speculation about the imminent collapse of Hillary’s presidential hopes.

    Earlier this month, Gowdy made a new accusation against Clinton, alleging that she had received the name of a CIA informant in an email from former Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal. “Armed with that information,” Gowdy charged, “she forwarded that email to a colleague — debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private e-mail address.”

    Gowdy made sure to underscore that “the name of a human source is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.” He released a copy of the email with the name of the individual in question redacted, making it look even more like Hillary was sharing classified information over her private email.

    Gowdy got the headlines he wanted — such as “Clinton Burns CIA Libya Contact” — but he didn’t get his facts straight. The CIA, which Gowdy hadn’t bothered to ask about the email, slapped down Gowdy’s claim as false, saying that in fact the information in that email was not classified at all. It turns out, Gowdy had doctored the document, inventing his own reasons for the redactions in order to defame Clinton.

    Gowdy’s false claims were made in a communication to members of Congress, making him vulnerable to a referral to the Department of Justice for the criminal act of lying to Congress.

    ***

    By now, Trey Gowdy is very far away from his original mission.

    Indeed, last week, the New York Times reported that eight months after Gowdy announced he planned to hold a dozen interviews with intelligence and national security officials, only one has actually been conducted. Gowdy had also proposed eleven public hearings about the attacks; not one has taken place.

    Instead, in an effort to shift the focus from Benghazi to Hillary’s email, the committee has demanded testimony from at least 18 former Clinton staffers, including three speechwriters and the IT guy who maintained Hillary’s server.

    And last week, the Huffington Post noticed something else peculiar.

    The Benghazi Select Committee has held a total of 54 witness interviews, but Gowdy himself has showed up for fewer than ten. He skipped hearings featuring testimony from top intelligence officials. He no-showed hearings featuring survivors of the attacks, eyewitnesses to the events the committee was supposed to be investigating. In fact, the only times Gowdy bothered to show up were when those close to Clinton were testifying.

    [….]

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-brock/remarks-to-the-world-affa_b_8357048.html

  59. Lorac,
    I’m still too pissed off about 2008 to retract my support for HRC during this primary bid. Once she’s in, I’d like to see how the general election plays out, especially if Trump is the GOP candidate. He’s certainly refreshing and a lot smarter than people think. But at this point, I just want to see a fair and honest election, although that may be asking for too much.

  60. It’s too bad…. he seems like an intelligent person… I guess partisanship and being owned by donors can even ruin intelligent people… we need some way to get “the political class” * out of politics…

    * (including all the people behind the scenes, many of whom whose career is working for the president regardless of whichever party is in office)

  61. Trixta, she probably WILL win the nomination – I can NOT believe enough dems would vote for a self-avowed socialist for him to win….

    but I’m going to vote for Trump in the primaries, because HE is the little guy in this situation (he’s like Hillary was in 2008, he has the opposite party AND the elites of his own party against him), and I want to see him able to get to the general. I have no doubt she’ll get to the general….

    (Hillary may still be in that situation, but they can’t pull tricks to make socialist Bernie win)

    I remember when Ani wrote her book, I bought two whole cases (not a small amount of money) and gave them all away to strangers for free. So I certainly supported her book. But I didn’t like one thing – she gave only a passing glance in the book at the horror of May 31, 2008, because as we all learned, the party can change their rules at any time, which is what they did. So what they did was “legit”.

    However, I still feel it was cheating and stealing. BUT now that I’ve been independent and I look at both sides in my reading, it’s SO clear to me that it’s not just the Obama DNC, it’s all of politics – both sides are crooks, using politics to further their own self-gain basically. And hook or crook they’re all going to do it to make sure they want to get what they want.

    Anyway, I guess what I’m saying is, for me, my anger is no longer at the dems, it’s at ALL of them lol But I do understand what you’re feeling, for sure.

  62. I hear ya, Lorac. I have to keep reminding myself not to let the emotional roller coaster ride get the best of me this time around. This I know, not seeing Obama or a Bush in office is gonna be mighty nice come Jan 2017. That in itself will be something to celebrate!

  63. …just want to add that I also have loved watching Maureen O’Hara’s movies over the years…Miracle on 34th St is a classic in my heart… as a child wanted to be Maureen O’Hara in love with John Payne and with little Natalie Wood as a daughter…doesn’t get much better than that…at Christmas no less and still believeing in Santa…

    RIP, Maureen…one of the great beauties with wonderful talent….

  64. trixta,that emotional roller coaster? I remember it well… I was sure with each revelation the populace would turn against Obama, but Mr. Teflon got past it all. I always just voted for whomever was the dem nominee, I didn’t pay much attention to politics, I just “knew” that the worst thing would be for repubs to win. Hillary was the first person I ever felt invested in. Sometimes when I see Trump doing better and better and saying things I really agree with, I feel myself wanting strongly for him to win. And then I remind myself how utterly crushed I was in 2008.. I don’t want to get THAT invested again lol It was bad for me…. so I agree with you!

  65. Trixta, she probably WILL win the nomination – I can NOT believe enough dems would vote for a self-avowed socialist for him to win….
    ———-
    Oh, I can believe it. Cast your eyes on the electorate of the democrat party. Fall in love with them as you see them before you, looking for ways to cheat the system, blame the man, and remain dumb as a post. I would have to say a fire breathing socialist like Bernie who has no grasp of reality would be . . . how shall I put it? . . . right up their ally. Yes, I believe they would vote for him.

    What I cannot believe is that enough (any?) delegates, superdelates and other puny potentates will carry Saint Bernard out of the Convention Hall on their shoulders claiming they have found their messiah who will deliver a new heaven and a new earth. That was 2008. This is 2016. And a lot has “changed”–for the worse thanks to our first black president. I have dismissed the democrart electorate as stupid. I will now dismiss the democrat hierachy as corrupt as the Republicans, and governed entirely by their donors. Low lifes is a good description.

  66. The love affair between the democrat hierarchy and their donors was engineered by an investment banker named Felix Rohatten. He is the executor of the Ted Kennedy estate, a friend of Pelosi, and a former professor at Middleburg college. Also, he was the trustee who saved New York from bankruptcy, and I was back there at that time. He told the democrat party they needed to sidle up to Wall Street in order to receive the money needed to win elections, and thereby created the faustian pact that haunts those of us who recall a time when the democratic party was the party of the middle class. It was then the party of my mentors, Warren Magnuson and Scoop Jackson. No traces of them remain.

  67. It’s kinda late for Saint Bernard to turn into a junkyard dog. But Bernie tried to bite in Iowa on Saturday. To late Bernie boy everyone now knows you’re not really running for president. Socialist Sanders just wants to pull Hillary further and further and further and further into Kookville:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/clinton-iowa-215133

    Sanders goes on the attack at Iowa Democratic dinner

    He launches a new broadside on Hillary Clinton’s record, caution and character.

    DES MOINES — Bernie Sanders is giving Hillary Clinton a pass on her “damn emails,” but he’s giving her hell on just about everything else.

    On Saturday night, at the high-stakes Democratic Jefferson-Jackson dinner, Bernie Sanders launched a new, frontal attack on Hillary Clinton’s record, caution and character — a direct response to her recent surge in the the polls here and nationally, and fueled by her strong performance at the first Democratic debate earlier this month. The shift represents a gamble: Can a nice-guy candidate publicly dedicated to running on substance turn to attack mode with sacrificing his reputation as an authentic voice of the people? [snip]

    At a pre-dinner rally, Bernie Sanders’ supporters flew a single-engine plane with the banner “FEEL THE BERN” directly over a Clinton rally headlined by the pop singer Katy Perry — who got more shout-outs from the candidate than Barack Obama, Joe Biden or Bill Clinton. During Clinton’s introduction at the dinner, Sanders supporters — many of them in their teen and twenties — tried to drown out her intro with cheers for the democratic socialist. And they filed out quietly when she took the stage to speak, a hint of how passionately they feel about Sanders and their ambivalence about Clinton.

    The Vermont senator, as always, did not go after the frontrunner in a personal way or mention her by name. Instead, he delivered a fiery yet indirect indictment of her entire political career. In his 25-minute speech – backed up by the thundering chants of supporters chanting “Feel the Bern!” — he launched an attack on Clinton’s slowness to take a position on the Keystone pipeline: “this was not a complicated issue,” he said. He lambasted her for now opposing a trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that she once called the “gold standard” of trade deals.

    “It is not now, nor has it ever been, the gold standard of trade agreements,” Sanders said. And he reached back to Clinton’s 2002 vote to support the war in Iraq, an issue that plagued her eight years ago when she took the stage here. “When I came to that fork in the road I took the right road, even though it was not the popular road at the time,” he said. [snip]

    “I promise you tonight as your president I will govern based on principle not poll numbers,” he said, echoing Obama’s 2007 speech here when he was also drawing a distinction with Clinton and said he would govern “not by polls, but by principle.”

    Sanders has recently implied he will not campaign on Obama’s record. But he bear-hugged him Saturday night. “Eight years ago the experts talked about how another Democratic candidate for president, Barack Obama, couldn’t win,” he said. “How he was unelectable. Well, Iowa, I think we’re going to prove the pundits wrong again. I believe we will make history.” [snip]

    Hours before the dinner, the Clinton campaign announced an endorsement from David Plouffe, Obama’s 2008 campaign manager. “To be honest, during the most intense days of the 2008 primary, I would never have imagined writing this,” said Plouffe. “And I doubt Team Clinton felt any differently about me….She’s the right person to protect President Obama’s legacy on health care and so much else.”

    Plouffe and the Sanders’ kooks can go finger themselves.

  68. It is a hell of a choice.

    Wall Street or the Kooks.

    Thesis, anti thesis

    Synthesis: left of Marx on social issues, e.g. racial and gender set asides, etc. and do wall street bidding on economic issues, e.g. open borders, crony capitalism.

    The worst of all possible worlds.

    At this point, angst over Hillary being pulled further left strikes me as theater.

    In 2012, it was real, but Hillary made the wrong choice.

    For reasons admin has documented brilliantly.

  69. S said

    he will not beholden to any special interests for anything…nice hand to be holding
    __________________

    Not a race card in the bunch either.
    Just the Trump Card. 😀

  70. Forget about the formal oath taken by every senator with friends and well wishers gather around him, or her. It means nothing–less than nothing.

    “There is such a difference between the way men act, and the way they ought to act, that anyone who forsakes what is, or what ought to be, will surely be ruined”—The Prince, by Machiavelli

    Mindful of that observation, experience has shown that the formal oath taken by our much beloved establishment politicians sometimes referred to by the felicitous terms RINO and DINO is, unfortunately, a snare and delusion.

    And that conclusion, begs the more urgent question, is there perchance something more to the equation, something that explains the agency problem which exists in our political system that leaves the American People always sucking hind tit, while the politicians go on their way jovially?

    In point of fact, there is another oath, which is conveyed with a wink, a nod, and the threat of political oblivion, which is more binding on the establishment politicians than the formal one he or she takes publicly.

    It is a blood oath which until now has been the secret handshake of establishment members of the world’s greatest deliberative body. But now, with the political system falling apart, perhaps this oath should be reduced to writing so the scales fall from the eyes of the public.

    The benefit of publishing this blood oath is obvious. It will expose the true nature of our political system, which purports to be a representative democracy, but is in fact a system of inverted totalitarianism and managed democracy, which the few brains which exist on the left side of the political system have been saying for a long time, only now it is more obvious.

    Beyond that, the publication of this blood oath, may provide the inquiring minds with some vague notion of what rebels like the Freedom Caucus in the House, and Senator Cruz and Lee are fighting against. (Note: I see where Cher has called Cruz a devil. To that I say, hey kiddo, stick to your day job, and do not trouble your mind with forces you are unable to comprehend)

    Here then is the real oath, the blood oath, taken by every establishment politician:

    —————————————————-
    -THE BLOOD OATH OF A U.S.SENATOR-

    I, SENATOR ___________ (Corker, Leahey, or any other establishment politician of either party)

    Resident of Washington DC, with a walk up apartment in the State of ____________

    Having been duly elected to the US Senate

    By a corrupt electoral process orchestrated by big media and my campaign

    And funded by big money interests known and unknown, adverse to the American People

    Having pricked my finger, drawn blood, and promised to rot in hell if ever I break this oath

    Do solemnly swear, on penalty of perjury (which my party’s DOJ will decline to prosecute)

    THAT I WILL:

    1. LIE, cheat and steal, to advance my personal wealth, power, and nepotism

    2. DIVERT public money to my donors and waive the rules so they can get away with murder

    3. FUNNEL public money to my party coalition and give them plum jobs they are not qualified for

    4. SUBORDINATE the interests of my country to those of my party—always and all ways

    5. DISENFRANCHISE the American People by keeping them in the dark and feeding them shit.

    To this blood oath, I now affix my signature, in the City of Washington DC, and the Bar Room of the Willard Hotel, this _______ day of __________ 2016.

    (Historical note: the term “lobbyists” was describe the denizens who congregated in the lobby of that fine hotel to bribe lobbyists, during the U.S.Grant Administration, which was widely acknowledged to be the most corrupt in history until Obama came to town and showed the world what real corruption looks like, starting with the Stimulus Plan, Dodd Frank, Obamacare, Open Borders, Lois Leaner–the list is endless, everlasting, and, sadly, eternal)

    ____________________________
    Robert Corker, Junior Senator, Sovereign State of Tennessee

    Subscribed and sworn before me this___ day of ____, 2016.

    Notary Public, Senate Chamber, sanctor sanctorim, copies to be kept in congressional vault and to big media for blackmail purposes when and if the need to do so arises.

  71. It would now seem the Obama WH and Obamites have capitulated……….For them to send out this message now may well mean that they believe she will be the nominee. The 2nd half of it, is definitely written with gritted teeth.

    https://medium.com/hillary-for-america/why-i-m-endorsing-hillary-clinton-for-president-1d15ad738c65#.lc3khdf7y

    Why I’m for Hillary Clinton

    Eight years ago, then-Senator Barack Obama told the crowd at the Iowa Democratic Party Jefferson-Jackson dinner that he was running for president “to protect the American worker. To fight for the American worker…. To give our children and grandchildren the same chances somebody gave me.”

    Since then, thanks to the efforts of President Obama and millions of Americans who have fought alongside him, 18 million Americans have gained health coverage under Obamacare and tens of millions more are enjoying new protections so they don’t go broke when they or a loved one gets sick. We’ve brought the economy back from the brink of another depression, saved an auto industry on the verge of collapse, created 11 million new private-sector jobs, and imposed tough new standards on Wall Street to make another crash that much less likely. We’ve passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, taken historic action to curb the effects of climate change, and pursued a new, more humane policy toward immigrant families, especially children. And diplomacy is firmly back in our country’s arsenal.

    We’ve come a long way. Still, eight years after that historic night in Des Moines, there’s so much left to do. And Americans still need a president who will wake up every day, prepared to overcome any obstacle on their behalf.

    Hillary Clinton should — and I believe will — be that president.

    Now, to be honest, during the most intense days of the 2008 primary, I would never have imagined writing this piece. And I doubt Team Clinton felt any differently about me. But here’s what I, and so many of my fellow Obama campaign veterans, have learned about Hillary:

    She doesn’t quit. And there were times I wish she had! But you have to deeply admire that strength and persistence. From the moment she went to work for the Children’s Defense Fund out of law school, she’s been working to make people’s lives better — as an advocate for women and kids, as First Lady of the United States, as U.S. Senator for New York, and as a truly exceptional Secretary of State — a job she showed courage and patriotism to accept after such a tough campaign. We’ve all benefited from her service to America, and I believe we will benefit most of all from the eight remaining years of service she intends to provide the country.

    She will fight to further economic policies that put economic opportunity for those in the middle class and those fighting to join it. You won’t find anyone in this race more determined than Hillary to make sure every single American has a fair shot to live up to their potential. And you won’t find anyone more prepared, more diligent, with more detailed plans for exactly how to make it happen — from removing costs as a barrier to college to raising incomes and making sure all Americans have the skills they need to get a good job.

    She’s the right person to protect President Obama’s legacy on health care and so much else. The woman who helped create the CHIP program, which covers 8 million kids, won’t stop until affordable health care is recognized as a basic human right in America. She’ll enhance Social Security and strengthen Medicare. She’ll continue President Obama’s reforms to make sure Wall Street works for Main Street, not the other way around. She’ll make sure America continues to lead the world in the 21st century. She’ll never back down from a challenge — as we all saw in the Benghazi Committee hearing earlier this week.

    And, like President Obama before her, she will make history. I look forward to the day my daughter, who was born a little more than 48 hours after the glorious scene in Grant Park in 2008, will know just as well as my son that she can grow up to be anything she wants, even president of the United States.

    The privilege of my professional lifetime was to serve as President Obama’s Senior Advisor in the White House. It is a humbling experience, but also an educational one. You reflect on all those who have occupied the Oval Office previously, and what you’d like to see in those who will in the future.

    Hillary Clinton will not just make an outstanding and worthy successor to President Obama. She will be a president we should all look back on, and be proud we did whatever we could to make it so. She will do big and important things.

    Back in 2007 at that long-ago JJ dinner, Senator Obama said:

    “We are in a defining moment in our history. Our nation is at war. The planet is in peril. The dream that so many generations fought for feels as if it’s slowly slipping away. We are working harder for less. We’ve never paid more for health care or for college. It’s harder to save and it’s harder to retire. And most of all we’ve lost faith that our leaders can or will do anything about it.”

    The stakes in this election are enormous, too. The difference between Hillary Clinton and a President Trump, Carson, or Rubio could not be more profound. Once again, we need a leader who understands the challenges we face — and someone who can and will do something about it.

    Hillary is that leader, for this time.

    Go win this thing, Madam Secretary.

  72. Correction: lobbyists was used to describe the denizens who congregated in the lobby of the Willard Hotel waiting to bribe POLITICIANS etc.—radical republicans in those halcion days.

  73. moononpluto
    October 25, 2015 at 11:29 am
    It would now seem the Obama WH and Obamites have capitulated……….For them to send out this message now may well mean that they believe she will be the nominee. The 2nd half of it, is definitely written with gritted teeth.
    ———-
    I think that for them it is a case of any port in a storm, and surely Sander is that storm, the one that would blow them off their high perch and undermine the chances that even with the entire strategy of corruption they have planned for 2016, they might not win. But that is their problem. I only hope it does not become our problem. On the odds, however, it will be. The devil is in the electoral college, and the faustian compromises Hillary has made to advance to this stage.

  74. Yeah, I believe they now think that they have screwed the pooch and that Hillary is now the only hope they have……..quite a turnaround.

    Whether they think they can control Hillary is a different matter, once she has the nomination, she can do what she likes……

    The Obama team are not as clever as they think they are. Their time is up.

  75. BO has not given up. He has cursed Hillary with his endorsement, as Admin says the only one who is a threat to Hillary is BO and his failed policies.

    I would guess the next 15 months he will spend securing his lootings, covering his tracks, and setting himself up to financially control the party. This will be challenging because the financial system is unraveling so they will need to prepare.

    Soros and Buffett have multiplied their fortunes but BO & Co. have a stash that should be on the order of $Trillion or so. Now that would be split with Geithner, Valjar, and Holder at least. I do not know, really how much it would be, maybe it is $100’s of Billions and who knows how much they needed to spend to promote their evil agenda’s. But it is a whole lot of money.

  76. …”they” may not be as clever as they think…but they are still back stabbing, sabotoging sob’s that will inflict whatever whenever…

    Hillary walks in O’s shadow…it is painful to listen to…

    all her talent and intelligence hostage to protecting and carrying ‘O’s legacy and progress’

    if you reread that Pluffie’s plea it is the same narcissitic pablem from the O hierarchy (btw…all those emails Hillary’s camp send out have none of her personality…they are all so rote and bland)

    snip Pluffie says:

    She’s the right person to protect President Obama’s legacy on health care and so much else. The woman who helped create the CHIP program, which covers 8 million kids, won’t stop until affordable health care is recognized as a basic human right in America. She’ll enhance Social Security and strengthen Medicare. She’ll continue President Obama’s reforms to make sure Wall Street works for Main Street, not the other way around. She’ll make sure America continues to lead the world in the 21st century. She’ll never back down from a challenge — as we all saw in the Benghazi Committee hearing earlier this week.

    And, like President Obama before her, she will make history. I look forward to the day my daughter, who was born a little more than 48 hours after the glorious scene in Grant Park in 2008, will know just as well as my son that she can grow up to be anything she wants, even president of the United States.

    The privilege of my professional lifetime was to serve as President Obama’s Senior Advisor in the White House. It is a humbling experience, but also an educational one. You reflect on all those who have occupied the Oval Office previously, and what you’d like to see in those who will in the future.

    Hillary Clinton will not just make an outstanding and worthy successor to President Obama. She will be a president we should all look back on, and be proud we did whatever we could to make it so. She will do big and important things.

    Back in 2007 at that long-ago JJ dinner, Senator Obama said:

    bla, bla, bla…

    ************************************************

    so if Hillary dares step out of turn and re: what is expected of her…then what…

    Hillary’s challenge is to fight for herself…the freaking right to be herself…unchained from O and the last eight years…the country is sick of hearing about him…why cling to him…while she pursues O’s coalition, they are switching teams and …and as Admin points out The Donald is “walking away with the Clinton Coaliton”

    never would have believed it…

  77. In 2008 the elite class’ choice was someone they had 90% control over versus 30%. We JEBush out, their choice is 5% versus 30%. Why would Hillary let them have any more? That is how Clinton wins the nomination on her terms, with Trump in the race. But now she must face him over the GE. Oh my, does that mean she must become a centrist?

    The greedy and corrupt have had their time these two past administrations. They have acted out all their loon ideas and sucked all the wealth they can handle. But such cannot create real wealth. Lives of self indulgence as the country and the world sinks into poverty and war. What a worthless class of failures.

    The remedies are not rocket science. Who will save the world?

  78. Oh my, does that mean she must become a centrist?
    ————
    A centrist?

    What is that??

    And how does that work?

    I said X to get the nomination.

    But now that I am in the general election

    I still believe in X as a matter of principle.

    But when I become president I will also have to be practical.

    And I am sure my supporters understand this.

    What I feel in my heart is one thing.

    What I know in my mind is something else.

    And as Lenin himself conceded

    To make and omlette an egg must be broken.

    And when good old Vlad was drowning in vodka:

    Promises are like pie crusts—made to be broken.

    And if that does not work, I will tell my supporters to grow up.

    Seems pretty simple to me.

    But only in the current environment where deep polarization is in evidence.

    That’s like saying I take responsibility, but other people are to blame.

  79. Political correctness, and political double speak must be buried alive, and those who continue to indulge in them should be shot on sight, the defense being I did not know the gun was loaded, and I take responsibility but others are to blame. Well, gosh, that is real big of you. Just what we want in a president. Again, the legal term for this is confession and avoidance. Surely you remember that one from your law school day, jb?

  80. Lu4PUMA
    October 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    BO has not given up. He has cursed Hillary with his endorsement, as Admin says the only one who is a threat to Hillary is BO and his failed policies.

    So true, Lu. No rethug really wanted Bush’s endorsement in ’08, and the same is true here. The only way this could possibly benefit Hillary is if she had set in motion the capture of the TRUE democratic base – the white working class. An Obola endorsement would get all the die hard obots on her team and fill her coffers for the general. In this scenario, all it does is tie Hill to bunko’s failed policies (did you notice how Plouffe used long strokes to jakk off his boss before RELUCTANTLY giving Hillary her due? Asshat.) You said it so right about writing that endorsement teeth clenched.

    Anymore, I don’t think that Iowa will be the test for her now. It will be New Hampshire again. And the main thing hurting her is this constant Obingo fluffing. She made a timid gesture yesterday saying that she was going for her first term and not her husband’s or Obingo’s third term.

    Reject the Iran deal, and I might start believing you Hillary.

    Hillary 2016?

  81. Moon

    Whether they think they can control Hillary is a different matter, once she has the nomination, she can do what she likes……
    The Obama team are not as clever as they think they are. Their time is up.

    ——

    I agree 100%

  82. Question to the voter:

    Which would you rather have:

    1. limited government and sound management of what is left, so it is responsible to the public, rather than to that politician, bureaucrat, big media whore ready to pop the gotcha question, or donor down the hall? or-

    2. more government, more lies, less liberty, less security and the new feudalism which is emerging before our eyes.

    The 2016 election will answer that question, with finality.

  83. Moon, you are an optimist. The Obama virus is deeply embedded in the democrat party. To eliminate the virus would require an effort of the size and scope of the de Nazification program implemented in Germany in the aftermath of world war II. It is prevalent in government, the bureaucracy, the courts, the media, academia–the very thing the Italian communist Gramci prophesied–the march through the institutions. I read an attack piece by a young female whipper snapper at Newsweek–my god these people look like babies to me any more, could it be that I am getting to old to matter, anyway, she was exactly the kind of useless ideologue I am talking about. The good think is nobody reads Newsweek any more, and with all the real time reporting which takes place on the internet, they are no longer a go to publication. One thing I have noticed however is these faux journalists do not write to educate the reader. They write to indoctrinate the reader in the narrative favored by their editor. Trained apes who have mastered the fine art of flipping a coin to prove that it ends up heads 50% of the time, could do what these your journalist do if we could whistle up Jane Goodall to be their interpreter, the point being their point of view and work product is useless to sentient reader. That reader will do enough research to form their own opinions, and ask what the hell does this journalist know that I should give any weight to their opinions? Have they ever worked in a campaign?

  84. It is clear to me that Hillary and Obama are committed to the vision, with minor variations in emphasis. If I am right, then the infighting we see is more about money, and personalities than it is or ever was about substance. That is why she did not take our advice, or what was reportedly Bill’s as well, to get out of government before the election, and separate herself from Obama. I think it is likely if not certain that her administration would be Obama III, with an emphasis on gender rather than race, and the same fissures in the body politic, the same polarization we see now. Put differently, it is conceivable that you will find a virgin in a whore house, but it is not the way to bet.

  85. “…..She’s the right person to protect President Obama’s legacy on health care and so much else.”

    Oh, THAT is the criteria we use to choose a president? I thought we chose them to do what is best for the country. Wow, no wonder they made a fake American flag with Obama’s symbol. All future elections are to be not about the country, but about Obama. And we must do all we can to hide his utter failure!! These people are sick. And they’re dreaming.

    And I’m so glad this putz wants us to elect the first female president with the purpose of protecting the image of the failed president. Women, be all you can be, strive to be someone whose goal is to protect the image of the loser man! A woman’s ultimate purpose in life is to make men look better!

    Oy….

  86. And I just don’t know how he can praise Obamacare with a straight face.

    Does he KNOW how many people now have $500 monthly payments with a $6,000 deductible? Barring a crisis, which most people don’t have, these people are paying $500 for an insurance they’ll never use. They should have the option of just buying catastrophic, then, but that’s not allowed, because then they can’t pay for everyone ELSE’s insurance.

    And only a fraction of the uninsured even bothered to get Obamacare. So imagine how much higher the costs will go when THEY are factored in and have to be paid for. They spent so much on this Obamacare, that every person in the U.S. could have been given 1 million dollars instead.

    I’m so hoping for and looking forward to demonstrated competence as a defining qualification for president. No more “I’d like to have coffee with him”, no more “Oh, isn’t he a dreamboat, he doesn’t look like the presidents on dollar bills, oh he’s the messiah I see rainbows and doves in his aura”….

  87. I think the election will be decided on the economy. The global economy is failing and here, appearances are being propped up for the masses to stay in denial. I mean, they are really stretching things. Grossly inflated assets with the central banks owning and buying them to keep then inflated. The world has reached maximum debt and just cannot buy it anymore.

    All Obola has to do to destroy Hillary is tie her to him and time the economic crash. Then Trump becomes POTUS and Obola retains the party. Like Admin says, BO would rather lose the Whitehouse, than let Hillary have the party.

  88. pm317 – I imagine it’s already a condition of their support…..

    And first term presidents are always careful not to stir the pot, because they’ve got that next election coming up…

  89. lorac
    October 25, 2015 at 3:59 pm
    ——————
    Yes, it is a hideous trap to loot the middle class and cheat the poor. The Bronze Plans that you referenced have subsidies for the premium but not the deductible. To be eligible for the deductible subsidies, you have to go up to the Silver Plans.

    I think of the Bobot who got my Mother (who had Alzheimers) to vote for BO by absentee ballot so she could get her free stuff and I just want to puke on them all. Obola screwed them all. And what can they say now???

  90. I’m not a wizard, but it seems as though when a person runs for President, it hasn’t been custom to tear apart the previous President of the same party when running for the Primary nor the General. They will cloak their disgust by saying they will carry the policy further and try to get the bugs out. Their main goals are to win the primary and kick the butts of the opposition party/parties so they can ‘fix’ the problems and make things better for all American’s.

    I hope that if by some miracle Trump becomes the next President, many folks here are as open to spotting Trump’s flaws as they are Hillary’s.

    Right now I see Trump with very good ideas, especially the fence. I see deep character flaws in him, now as I did before he ran…he is only my second choice at this point.

  91. All surrealness aside, Plouff’s endorsement sounds more like a list of things they want her to campaign on as a way to promote BO. And Biden is their looming attack-dog to keep her in check. She may very well get the nomination, but the general election is quite another thing if she’s too closely aligned to Obummer.

  92. Shadow, I agree with your assessment (@ 4:51pm). Trump is my second choice too, but he’s a bit of a loose cannon…you just never know what’s gonna come out of his mouth. So far I like that he’s taking on the establishment in his own party. I also think he’s smart and capable, but if his campaign strategy against HRC is misogynistic in any way, he loses me. I’m sick of that shit!

  93. I said the other day that that scene of Obama next to Biden in the Rose Garden was like 2 bulldogs chewing a wasp………they realised they are in trouble, they have no successor to their epic fuck up of a Presidency and may well now have to hitch their wagon to the next best thing…..

    I think they are shocked she has battled her way through their obstacles……the same way she did in 2008.

    I think they underestimated her…..again.

  94. trixta
    October 25, 2015 at 5:02 pm
    ————
    His strategy will be to attack Obama, and force Hillary to defend him.

    Less is more.

  95. She’s the right person to protect President Obama’s legacy on health care and so much else.”
    ——
    Meaning what?

    Party over country??

    That is the plain meaning of that statement.

    Nearly 2/3 of Americans oppose Obamacare.

    But it is good for the party, because it keeps those big pharma dollars flowing.

    And the political class has its own insurance program paid for by the taxpayers.

    When Obama told us in the primary debate that if his own child was sick he would not rely on Obamacare but would get them the best medical care in the world, he marked himself as the elitist he is.

    But of course, the ignoranti breathed a deep sigh and told each other what a wonderful father he is.

  96. Bluto says:
    October 25, 2015 at 7:15 pm
    Did y’all catch this exciting bit of news?

    Trump successfully pressures Ford to move Mexican plant to Ohio

    “CNN Money reports that Ford is moving its facility, originally slated
    for Mexico, back to the United States, where it will employ 1,000
    factory workers in struggling Youngstown, Ohio.”
    Source: http://prntly.com/blog/2015/10/25/trump-successfully-pressures-ford-to-move-mexican-plant-to-ohio/

    CNN Money Article here: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/13/news/companies/ford-truck-mexico-ohio/index.html

    Holy crap, he’s not even President. Imagine what he could do in office?

  97. -THE BLOOD OATH OF A U.S. SENATOR-

    I, SENATOR ROBERT CORKER (a.k.a. “RINO BOOB”)
    • Denizen of Washington DC, with a walk up apartment in the State of ____________
    • Having been duly elected as a Member of the United States Senate
    • By a process controlled by big media whores and my corrupt campaign staff
    • Funded by anti-American billionaires and foreign governments
    • Having pricked my finger, drawn blood & will burn in hell if I break this oath
    • Do solemnly swear, on penalty of perjury (which DOJ will never prosecute)

    THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY:

    1. LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL: to advance my personal wealth and power
    2. PRACTICE CRONYISM: to serve and protect my donors, friends and family
    3. FUNNEL PUBLIC MONEY: and cushy jobs to members of my party coalition
    4. EVISCERATE THE CONSTITUTION: to advance big government
    5. LOOT THE MIDDLE CLASS: always and in all conceivable ways

    To this blood oath, I now affix my signature, in the City of Washington DC, and the Bar Room of the Willard Hotel, this _______ day of __________ 2016.

    (Historical Footnote: the term “lobbyist” refers to bag men who line the pockets of public officials, in exchange for special consideration on issues that matter to their employers. They first showed up during the presidency of Ulysses Grant and the button holed pubic officials of that day in the lobby of the same Willard Hotel, referred to above. Coincidentally, the Grant Administration was deemed to be the most corrupt one in history. But that was before the big media beloved Messiah came to town and showed us what real corruption looks like, starting with the Stimulus Plan, Dodd Frank, Obamacare, Open Borders, IRS–the list is endless, everlasting, and eternal)

    ____________________________
    Robert J. Corker, Esquire
    Junior Senator, Sovereign State of Tennessee
    Subscribed and sworn before me this___ day of ____, 2016.

    _____________________________
    Notary Public, Senate Chamber (copies kept in congressional vault & forwarded to big media to destroy anyone who threatens the divine rights of the political class.)

  98. I am thinking about whether to send that blood oath affidavit to Corker with instructions to sign it, in front of a notary. Normally, I would not be that provocative, but I think we owe mighty mouth something for eviscerating the 2/3 ratification requirement in the Constitution so Obama could get his toxic Iran deal through Congress. He and Cher have a mutual hatred for Ted, because he speaks truth to power, makes the comfortable class uncomfortable, and courts their bette noire the evangelicals. Whatever the explanation, one bad turn deserves another. You cannot tell. He may have no problem with signing it, in which case, I will send one to McConnell, and tell him that his boy Corker, who he appointed to a key committee because he is a yes man likes it, and encourages him to sign it too. Of course, Corker has never actually said that he likes it, but he may. In any event, if it is a lie, it is as nothing compared to the big lie which the RINOS have been giving to their constituents under the heading failure theater.

  99. “CNN Money reports that Ford is moving its facility, originally slated
    for Mexico, back to the United States, where it will employ 1,000

    ———–

    That’s good news, 1000 employees isn’t a big plant but it’s a great start.
    Good for Trump!

  100. trixta, I love that oy video lol

    Or it could be called the V-8 video (guess I’m dating myself, but I think I’m among my peers lol)

  101. That’s good news, 1000 employees isn’t a big plant but it’s a great start.
    Good for Trump!
    ———–
    Up to this point, he has promised to bring back American jobs

    And what have the elites done in response?

    Rolled their eyes, shook their heads, and called him a clown.

    You are right that 1000 employees is not a big plant.

    But it is a powerful proof statement that he can deliver.

    When is the last time you saw a sitting president with all the power that position holds

    Get American jobs back.

    That idea is repugnant to the political class, who want a global economy.

    At one point, during the Reagan years, there were tax incentives to outsource.

    They were abolished, but once they began the trend accelerated.

    And now we have 93 million Americans of working age not working.

    While illegals flood into this country with the support of both parties.

    In criminal law, intent is an important part of the crime.

    But absent a confession, intent can only be inferred from the surrounding circumstances.

    In one context, intent follows the bullet.

    In another context reckless endangerment is second degree murder.

    In another, a man is presumed to have intended the logical and probable consequences of his actions

    Even though he did not foresee the specific results.

    And that is where the elites have liability.

    When they farmed out millions of American Jobs they may not have anticipated 93 million out of work.

    When they opened the border to illegals, they did may not have intended that result either.

    Nevertheless, they can and should be held liable because 93 million out of work

    Is the logical and probable consequences of their actions.

    Is Trump correct?

    Are our political leaders stupid and corrupt?

    Res ipsa locitur—the thing speaks for itself.

    And by the power of this example, candidate Trump has proven that it does not have to be this way.

    Think of how much more he could do to get people back to work if he was president.

    The laws of economics are only as immutable as we make them.

  102. Shadow 4:51

    She’s hardly playing the middle of the road, hell, she has said Obama hasn’t gone far left enough!
    She’s wrong on every issue, from Trade, illegal immigrants, Welfare,”free education”,border…

  103. Let me give you an example.

    I worked in the Alaska seafood industry for over a decade, traveled to all the remote canneries across the state, and although the salmon were caught by seiners in Kodiak, and gillnetter in bristol bay–boats in both cases, there was another technology which was far more efficient and cost less to operate: fish traps placed at the entrance to major salmon producing rivers. This was not a labor intensive operation–all you needed really was a watchman to make sure fish trap robbers did not steal in by night and loot the traps. One man on a fish trap vs. five men on a southeasern alaska seiner, seven on a kodiak seiner, and no need to chase the fish, they came right into the trap. And they stayed fresh alive and fresh until they were brought back to the cannery, rather than dead and rotting on melting ice in the hole. For every logical reason, fish traps were the way to go. But when Alaska became a state in 1959, they were outlawed except in fishing areas consigned to alaska native, like Annette Island. Part of the reason was the traps were owned by interests in the lower 48, like my company which had them since the 1890s. But the other reason, the bigger reason, and the reason I am telling you this story is because the politicians wanted to make sure that their people had employment opportunities. Therefore, they settled for an inferior, higher cost technology. The job of a politician should involve more than accepting political contributions, eating fancy dinners, and doing whatever their donors want. They should be looking out for the people, like those long dead politicians in Alaska including my friend who was mayor of Juneau did, at the time of statehood. If you made that argument to Bob Corker, he would laugh in your face. But Jeff Sessions, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee would understand it to a fare thee well. And so would Donald Trump.

  104. The intellectual class are what Spiro called them:

    Nattering nabobs of negativity.

    The late Bill Saphire of NYT gave the old Greek those words.

    Ergo, it should come as no surprise that they hate Trump.

    Almost as much as they despise the American People

    Who did not go to Harvard.

    But Trump turns their contempt back on them.

    We can almost hear his Napoleonic joking,

    “You don’t reason with intellectuals—you shoot them.”

    Now there’s a thought.

    Can we start with big media?

    Please?

    Pretty please?

    They would make beautiful corpses.

    A month ago, I compared Trump to Napoleon.

    And analyzed the salient similarities.

    Today, Professor Hanson is at it

    Bringing his fine mind to the issue at bar

    Here is a relevant excerpt.

    —————–

    The desire for greatness is most acute among a people that claims that it has enjoyed glory in the past but has since lost it, due to the sell-outs and the weak in their midst. Although Trump is not shy in suggesting that American “weakness” is due to our malaise, he is more accusatory of “them” — the opportunistic and predatory foreigners in China, Europe, Mexico, and Asia who took advantage of American largess, naiveté and namby-pamby leadership to rip us off. We pay “their” defense bills, keep “them” safe, and in return have to play on “their” rigged trade field.

    Trump also claims that folks are treated as infants by politicians of both parties who never deliver on the promises that they make. Given that all politicians are fakers, Trump need not worry about detailing any of his promises: those who spell out assurances consistently break them anyway. As far as the intellectual class that hates Trump, we can almost hear his Napoleonic joking, “You don’t reason with intellectuals. You shoot them.”

    Trump feels no pressure to offer specifics. We doubt that he even reads his own position papers very carefully, given his seeming inability to review their talking points in interviews. Who cares?

    Napoleon’s genius in transmogrifying himself from an obscure lowly artillery officer to emperor of Europe was due to a similar intuition that in demoralized France, worn out from both revolutionary fervor and Bourbon reaction, he alone could offer something similar and yet different from both these despised opportunistic factions. Napoleon would reluctantly employ authoritarianism but put it in service to the proverbial people rather than the aristocratic landed class and ossified clergy. He could cut through bureaucracy and corruption in the fashion that he had sent a “whiff of grapeshot” though mobs of rioters.

    Napoleon’s enemies were not just the corrupt royal class and the freebooters who had betrayed the Revolution, but ostensibly a gang of opportunist foreign countries like Great Britain, Russia, Prussia, and Austria that all wanted to take advantage of French chaos by stealing their borderlands or their trade, and their preeminence.

    Napoleon also never spelled out an agenda on how to make France great again because his own spectacular success was prima facie evidence that whatever he had done for himself he could easily do for his country. Success need not be defined, simply professed.

    Obviously the wheeler-dealer Trump is not the general Napoleon, and we are not France of 200 years ago at war with Europe. But he appeals to a similar depressed public that feels the chaos of continual economic and social upheavals — and lawlessness — can easily cease and be replaced by a new national triumphant consensus, if only led by a dynamic man on a horse.

    For now, Trump’s bluster, promised action and boldness apparently inspire more voters than his incoherence turns off. He is a would-be Napoleon in similarly Napoleonic times that pundits and critics likewise cannot quite figure out — they are attracted to him even as they dismiss him as a buffoon. Yet a millionaire flamboyant reality-TV host is no more unlikely as a self-proclaimed savior of his nation than was an obscure Corsican artillery corporal promising to make revolutionary France “great again.”

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/is-trump-our-napoleon/

  105. Hanson is right.

    This business a golden age lost

    Thanks to the work of traitors in our midst

    Is like lightening in a bottle

    But I am less wary of it than Hanson is

    Yes, it can lead to scapegoating and worse

    As we witnessed in the first half of the last century

    But it can lift a nation out of a malaise

    It can forge unity in place of polarization

    The trick is to harness that energy it generates

    And keep it flowing in a positive direction

    Like Tessla would

    That requires the management skills of a successful businessman

    As opposed to the cheap cloud cuckooland demagoguery of the big media beloved Messiah

    We must never let them forget that he is their frankenstein

  106. Today at 7 AM for early bird Trumpsters:
    NBC to air Trump town hall live in N.H.
    Donald Trump, Matt Lauer and production crews for NBC’s “Today” show are descending on the small Granite State town of Atkinson for a nationally televised town hall event this morning, and local Republicans say if the big-haired real estate mogul can make the jump from bombast to policy, he could take their state’s first-in-the-nation primary….
    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2015/10/nbc_to_air_trump_town_hall_live_in_nh

    DJT tweeted last night that his departure for NH was imminent. Yuge.

  107. Of course wbb, you are right. We have no time for “maybes”, for “read between the lines”…
    We need action, we need someone who puts America and Americans first, not party, not donors..Americans.
    No one, and I mean no one has intimidated a company to bring back American jobs that I know of, no one but Trump.

    Trump… I think does the County good…

  108. Betty
    October 25, 2015 at 8:23 pm
    ————————————–
    Why aren’t Jorge Ramos and open border supporters out on the streets complaining that poor Mexican workers are being deprived of those jobs? 😏

  109. I don’t know how it is with you, but for me the morning begins with a trip to Starbucks coffee shop. This morning was no exception. One of their new coffee makers, baristas they call them, and just as every marine is a rife man, every Starbucks employee is a coffee maker, and at the high volume stores, they must also be qualified to operate a $30,000 state of the art machine called “the clover”. I have got to hand it to Howard, who started his career as a barista, bought the company, and built it into the global enterprise we see today.https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8.

    Part of the secret to Howard’s success is charging 3 dollars for a cup of drip coffee that used to cost 25 cents. But gasoline was less expensive in those days, so that explanation is not complete. The other aspect of his business plan is this: he pays his employees next to nothing. And as a result, they have to work two jobs to make ends meet, and with the astronomical cost of apartments today in Seattle they do not. The subject is the working poor, in the major cities their ranks are swelling because that is where the work is, and the end result, as pointed out to me by one of those Starbucks barrisas of Mexican descent, my uncle lives in San Francisco, has been to Calcutta and sees no real difference–the super rich and the poor, no-middle-class.

    Whereupon, I of course made the pitch for Trump and he countered with–yup you guessed it Saint Bernard. Not a word about Hillary. I told him I understood his point of view, the base does, but the delegates who will decide the issue do not. It is impossible to get the elites to understand this argument when their wealth depends on them not understanding it. They figure they can divide the country, use the middle class as their shield and if things get too hot, scurry down the rat line to Mendosa Argentina, and raise grape vineyards.

    The reality of it, however, is one day they will die, and their children will be keen for that to happen sooner rather than later so they can fight over the loot. And then they can repeat the last words of Sammy Goldwin founder of MGM when he slipped the mortal coil in the lap of luxury, amid his loving family members i.e. nothing matters.

    But it does matter if you can do something with your money while you are living, and not demand a charitable deduction. I do not mean Saint Francis of Azizi France who gave it all away and lived with the pauper. Half of your net worth would be enough. Last time I was in Texas, I met a guy whose father had an oil well that produced half a billion barrels between 1929 and 1985. He died an unhappy man, but now the son who is a neat guy–a bit of an Oscar Madison really, has it all, and has given it–all of it, to that most worthwhile of all charities, the Salvation Army, who will pay him a lifetime annuity and retain the rest. How many of our Harvard trained betters are willing to do something like that?

    Getting back to the barrista, and his preference to Bernie, he apologized and said that is just his wild eyed liberalism speaking. I told him it is nothing of the kind. It is pragmatic based on the position he and so many young people are in. We rail about the 93 million unemployed–they are part of the flotsam and jestsom of a winner take all economic system. The other part is the working poor who have no future to look forward to.

    Bernie, bless his heart, can articulate the righteous frustration they feel. But he cannot create jobs. And neither can politicians. Business men create jobs, when the conditions are right to put capital at risk. Trump is the guy that these young people need, because he is the only one who can solve that problem. His success as in bringing back American jobs in the case of Ford is all the proof statement we need to know he can deliver.

    The bottomline: if we think Trump is the one to support, since Hillary has abandoned the working class, and the establishment Republicans never gave a shit about them any way, then when a young person facing the economic challenges their generation does says Sanders, our reply should be he can rail against the establishment, but he cannot put food on the table. That means jobs, and he has zero track record in doing that. The man who has the track record is Trump. So think about supporting him, when the delegates of the democrat party throw him–and you, under the bus. He may be your answer.

  110. Wbboei: “But it is a powerful proof statement that he can deliver.”

    Add that to his win against the media with this weeks 2 hour debate.

  111. I wished my morning started out at Starbucks and enjoying other’s company.

    My work day starts out in traffic jams, hopping on public transportation that was today delayed by a half and hour…then walking the rest of the way to my job. I am just sipping on my first cup of coffee so things have to get better at work than the commute ever is.

    I tip my cup to you Wbb, this overcast morning, that looks like it should be Seattle.

  112. Wbboei, I hope you don’t mind I copied this part of your comment and put it in my ammo file:

    “The bottomline: … then when a young person facing the economic challenges their generation does says Sanders, our reply should be he can rail against the establishment, but he cannot put food on the table. That means jobs, and he has zero track record in doing that. The man who has the track record is Trump. So think about supporting him, when the delegates of the democrat party throw him–and you, under the bus. He may be your answer.”

    Because we all know Sanders is going under the bus.

  113. Shadowfax
    October 26, 2015 at 12:02 pm
    ———————————–

    Another drizzling, overcast day today here in the Seattle area.

  114. foxyladi14
    October 26, 2015 at 11:55 am
    This upsets me. 😡

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-i-will-go-as-far-as-i-can-even-beyond-obama-to-welcome-illegal-immigrants/article/2574879

    Why was/are Jeb and Hillary fighting for votes from a group who have no right to vote in our country? Does anyone know, beyond Hillary and Jeb, just how many illegal immigrants are in our country? I am starting to write comments urging Real Americans to use word of mouth to tell other real Americans what is happening and our need for an overwhelming turn out for primaries and the general.

  115. wbboei, I stopped going to Starbucks a few years ago. I felt out of place. I purchased one of those Keurig machines and have a cup of French Vanilla , no cream or sugar, every morning. Then I get depressed and leave for work.

  116. Looks like Trump was wrong….

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-ford-mexico-215157

    Donald Trump took credit Sunday for Ford Motor Company deciding not to build new plants in Mexico. The only issue with that: Ford is going ahead with its plans to build south of the border.

    “Word is that Ford Motor, because of my constant badgering at packed events, is going to cancel their deal to go to Mexico and stay in U.S.,” Trump tweeted Sunday, following up with another: “Do you think I will get credit for keeping Ford in U.S. Who cares, my supporters know the truth. Think what can be done as president!”

    Trump prefaced those tweets by sharing a link to an article on Prntly with the headline, “Trump successfully pressures Ford to move Mexican plant to Ohio.” The website, which bills itself as a “is a full service print company with facilities throughout the United States” with “clients … from a variety of backgrounds, parties, and industries,” also features a blog section with articles on politics, business and show business.

    “FORD LISTENED TO ME, GREAT!” Trump tweeted.

    Other headlines on the site Monday included: “Troy, NY man’s ‘local’ pumpkin filled with toxic Tropical spiders,” “PRNTLY read by Donald Trump, Carl Icahn, most popular Oct 2015,” and “Carson, JBush, Rubio ranked most “left wing” on Immigration of GOP.”

    The article referenced by Trump in his retweet cites a CNNMoney report (with no link) that the company is relocating its facility from Mexico to Youngstown, Ohio. A spokeswoman for the company told The Washington Post that the company does not have any plants in Youngstown.

    As Northeast Ohio Media Group reported Monday, the GOP presidential candidate appears to have confused the automobile manufacturer’s expansion plan south of the border with the company’s decision to start production of medium-duty pickups that had previously been manufactured in Mexico. Production began four years after Ohio Gov. John Kasich, another presidential candidate, pushed tax incentives that included breaks for Ford’s plant in Avon Lake, Ohio, about 90 miles from Youngstown.

    Kasich fired back at Trump taking credit for the decision on Sunday night, releasing a statement in which he declared that his state brought back production jobs “working as a TEAM.”

    “Our country needs real leadership and not empty, false rhetoric. Working as a TEAM, we brought Ford production jobs back from Mexico to Ohio years ago. That’s how things really get done. Hard work and teamwork brings results for the people,” Kasich said. “Our nation needs a leader with a record of actually delivering for all of us, that’s why I’m running for President.”

    A spokeswoman for his campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment from POLITICO.

    In a statement from Ford tweeted by the Detroit News’ David Shepardson, the company made clear that it had not spoken with Trump.

    “We decided to move the F-650 and F-750 medium-duty trucks to Ohio Assembly in 2011, long before any candidates announced their intention to run for U.S. president,” it said, noting $10.2 billion in investment in its American plants and nearly 25,000 American workers hired in the past four years.

    ………………..

    Ford are not changing any of their plans……

  117. Kudos to The Donald and for all his bluster and rough edges…getting the job done…and getting 1000 jobs back in the USA…

    and he is not even President…good start…leaders and corporate giants know he means business…they have dealt with him as a non president on a business level and he gets things done…

    he already has China, Japan and Mexico on alert…their party is over

    he already has illegal immigrants on alert…their free lunch is coming to an end…

    The Donald will save the USA so much money and bring us back to some normalcy…

    ******************************

    for the record…I think Hillary will make a “break thru” in the national campaign…she will start saying all the “centrist” things…

    how she makes sense of wanting more illegal immigrants than O in the national is going to be interesting…

    but…for me, it is beyond Hillary at this point…Hillary will have big, big problems governing as a “centrist” with the Dim party that exists…how she will propose and then get passed anything this controlling far left Dim party wants will be extremely challenging

    Hillary will have to adhere to what the special interests of the Democratic party wants…black lives matter, illegal immigrants, ocare, O trade policies, etc, etc

    She is not going to be free to ‘do what she wants’…even if she wants to…

  118. as for Ford…they cannot be happing with DT exposing them at every rally and all over national TV…that is immensely bad Public Relations for them…

    so for whatever reason, Ford, the all American personification of a company, has to be feeling the “heat” because DT has a spotlight on them…

    next we will see Oreos…and Nabisco take a dive…

    …as Macy’s saw a decline and people cutting up their Macy’s cards when they tried to deprieve DT of his right to ‘free speech’

  119. moononpluto
    October 26, 2015 at 1:35 pm
    Looks like Trump was wrong….

    ——

    Well, that was a quick turn around…also makes it sound like Trump didn’t have any real negotiations on this one at all, or he would have known what was happening.

  120. …it is Ford that is depriving Americans of jobs and moving to Mexico…

    Ford is the problem, not DT trying to put pressure on them in a campaign

    Even if you do not like DT…he is right…correct…on this issue…

    What are the Dims going to actually do about this? anything, I have not heard one word out of any of them….

    and do not expect the repubs to do anything

    I hear one person bringing all of this ripping off of America out of the shadows…

  121. Betty
    October 26, 2015 at 12:09 pm
    ———-
    Glad to help.

    I am not sure Sanders realizes where he is going, or what day of the week it is.

    Truth to tell, I feel his pain.

    This gets back to the whole superdelegate concept.

    It is profoundly undemocratic, capable of denying the base the candidate they have chosen.

    If that does not ring a bell, let me give you a clue: 17 million voices.

    In point of fact however, it was even worse before the super delegate concept was created.

    If I recall correctly, the issue first arose in 1968 when the party elders wanted the Minnesota warbler, pleased as punch as he used to say. The liberal base wanted Kennedy, McGovern, a boy named Sue–anyone but Hube the Cube. The issue was ostensibly the war, but also how the nominee would be selected. Until then he was chosen by party elders, but there was pressure to make the whole thing more democratic. So they came up with the superdelegate concept which still kept the party elders in charge, but created the appearance of democracy. Now that is my recollection, it could be wrong, but I am too damned lazy to look it up. I have a hunch that when the establishment coronates Hillary and St.Bernard gets the bums rush, there will be trouble in paradise at convention time.

  122. S

    IMO

    IIf/when Hillary becomes President, she will have to govern more to the center because the House and Senate are held by the Rep. majority. As much as many people here paint her to be Obama, she ain’t no Obama. She is MUCH better at working with both parties, like Bill was in his second term.

  123. I wouldn’t want it……

    Mayor Bill de Blasio’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton now appears to be a question of when, not if.

    A Clinton campaign source told POLITICO New York that de Blasio’s team has been in talks with the former senator’s camp about the possibility of an endorsement, and person familiar with de Blasio’s thinking said the mayor was expected to endorse her “very soon and before the forum” he’s holding in Iowa City on Dec. 6.

    De Blasio, who managed Clinton’s campaign for Senate in 2000 and was sworn in as mayor by former president Bill Clinton, has conspicuously held off endorsing his former boss’ presidential bid, even as the entirety of New York’s Democratic establishment did so. The mayor, who has sought to position himself as a progressive standard-bearer on the national stage, explained repeatedly that he wanted more details from the candidates about their intentions before he made a final decision.

    “I think like a lot of people in this country, I want to see a vision,” said de Blasio in April, on the same day Clinton formally announced her run for the White House. “And again that would be true of candidates on all levels.”

  124. Sorry for above typo, I had to increase the text size to see what the hay is going on…

    Should be: If/when Hillary……

  125. Moon…I am not arguing with you…but honestly at this point it doesn’t matter whether Donald can “take credit” or not…

    He has brought this issue Center Stage and has been drilling it for months…that, imho…is what is really important…

    believe me, I wish I was hearing these kind of issues coming out of Hillary…I wish Hillary was fighting to bring jobs back from Mexico, Japan and China…

    instead right now at least she is talking about bringing even more illegal immigrants in…

    it is very, very disappointing…

  126. S
    October 26, 2015 at 1:51 pm
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    In a court of law, there can be that one piece of evidence that decides the case.

    It is called “the smoking gun”.

    In a political environment where Donald promises to bring the jobs back, and the elites laugh in his face and say it cannot be done, the issue is joined, i.e. can he or can’t he? Who is lying??

    The smoking gun is this Ford example. Granted it is not a lot of people. But the fact that he can do it as a candidate, with no formal power, strongly suggests that with the power of the presidency at his disposal, and world class negotiators like Carl Ican . . . our trading partners will quickly learn there is a new sheriff in town, and our jobs will flow back here, like the Mighty Mississippi.

  127. While I think of it, remember our good friend ABM 92. Let us hope he is still living. Better still if he is reading this blog, even though he no longer comments. His singular goal, having lost his dear wife years earlier, was to see “his girl” Hillary take the oath of the president. Short of that, he would be thrilled to see her get the nomination, which was denied to her eight years ago. I have a feeling he is watching this scenario and all of us, whether from this side of the grave, or the other.

  128. Mayor Bill de Blasio’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton now appears to be a question of when, not if.
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    That is like having David Duke’s endorsement. You can have it. But do you really want it. Then again, the big media beloved messiah had Farakan’s full throated endorsement, which should have been a clue to voters. The difference with Obama, he was happy to have it, from a fanatic muslim who hates white people. Not much different really from the terrorist he coddles in the Middle East.

  129. How do you think a Bill Blasio endorsement of Hillary will be received by law enforcement people across this nation? They vote. It is, to be frank, more of a curse than a blessing.

  130. wbboei
    October 26, 2015 at 2:09 pm
    While I think of it, remember our good friend ABM 92.

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    I hope ABM 92 is still with us too, and watching what is going on would make him happy.

    We miss you ABM 92!

  131. moononpluto
    October 26, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    Well dont believe me, CBS and other outlets have investigated and said in no way can Trump claim any credit for Ford. The decision was made in 2011.
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    Point 1: CBS has no credibility. As you may recall, they withheld critical pieces of the Kroft interview of Obama who they supported from the beginning. And if that is not enough, the indictment which Sharyl Attkisson has laid against them should settle the question with finality. Falso in uno, falso in omnibus.

    Point 2: this point involves a certain degree of subtlety. When my company was faced with a union drive, we took certain steps to deal with the problem, which could have been construed to have promised a benefit or threatened a reprisal in violation of the law. The penalty if this were found to be the case would have been a loss of our right to a secret election, and a Gissel to recognize the union, and commence bargaining. In that case, we looked for evidence that this action was planned well before the union entered the picture, therefore it was a neutral business decision rather than a decision motivated by anti union animus. What I am saying is in all probability there were some discussions in 2011 to move this work back to the US, but there was probably no hard and fast decision made on it at that time, regardless of what they say. It is too much to expect them to say we moved them back because of Donald Trump. How would that make them look? What would they say to their shareholders? Wise business people that they are, they undoubtedly know that the environment in this country has changed since Trump raised the issue, and they want to be perceived as a good American company to buy cars from, rather than one who robs Peter to pay Paul. And with my company we were just as anxious to be perceived as a good Teamster company. Therefore we bootstrapped ourselves into a position where we could say that with a straight face, but if we were closely examined on the issue, which we were not, then the truth would have come out. On the odds, it is the same way here.

  132. and people slagged Hillary off for comments about money…

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-father-loan-1-million-dollars-215154

    “It has not been easy for me. It has not been easy for me. I started off in Brooklyn. My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars,” Trump remarked. “I came into Manhattan, and I had to pay him back, and I had to pay him back with interest. But I came into Manhattan and I started buying properties, and I did great.”

    Trump said his father had told him that going to Manhattan would not work, and later in his life, other people told him that a presidential campaign would not pan out.

    NBC’s Matt Lauer followed up on Trump’s “small loan” remark: “By the way, let’s just put this in perspective, you said it hasn’t been easy for you, but my dad gave me a million-dollar loan. That probably is going to seem pretty easy to a lot of people.”

    “You’re right, but a million dollars isn’t very much compared to what I’ve built,” Trump countered. “I mean, I’ve built one of the great companies, but it’s always been, you know, you can’t do this, you can’t do that.”

    …………….

    A small loan is $200 dollars….a small loan is not $1 million, not sure that sounds nice to people on low income….wish someone would loan me $1 million.

  133. My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars,”
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    Small is a relative term.

    And it was, after all, a loan.

    Before the 2008 crash Jamie Diamond of Chase Bank was writing $700,000 home loans to street vendors.

    In terms of Trump’s vision and ambition, it was $1 million was very small loan.

    I do not think people mind it so much if he built something with it, and gave people jobs.

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