@RealDonaldTrump Just Won The Third GOP Debate – ‘Fizzles’ Fiorina Fumes

CNBC caves to demand from Trump and Carson, agrees to limit next GOP debate to two hours:

Or rather, CNBC caved to the demand from Trump. Carson co-signed the letter that Trump sent to the network, but it ain’t Dr. Ben who’s delivering an extra 10 million viewers or so to these things.

Pretty simple calculation for CNBC: Enjoy two hours of boffo ratings with Trump as your star or three hours of middling ratings for special guest star Jeb Bush. [snip]

Anyway: With 10 candidates on stage, figure a minute for each opening and closing statement plus 20 minutes for commercials each hour and you’ve got one hour of actual Q&A — which includes the time needed by the moderators to actually pose the questions. Not including their openings and closings, each candidate should end up with … four minutes of speaking time, maybe? Five?

Let’s be the first to say it: Ban these debates. All of them. The public gets nothing from these phony filled-with-baloney “debates”. What are these phony “debates” about? The public gets nothing by way of information from them, the candidates get “free” airtime, the TV station gets money from commercials. The public gets screwed. Find another format and get rid of these phony debates. We suggest gladiatorial spectacles as in ancient Rome with candidates physically assaulting each other.

Get rid of these phony debates. These debates all have an agenda and it is not an agenda for the voter to get informed. On the Republican side it is attacks on Trump all the time. It’s attempts to prop up little Jebbie Bush as his pawns try to take down Trump. On the Hillary side, there is no one for her to debate. Sanders and the rest of the Obama fluffers are not serious applicants even for a McDonalds’ janitorial management job let alone fit to be in any “debate” with the word “presidential” in the description. Get rid of these debates.



Maybe, if the Villages idiot – Mourning Joe Biden – decides to do as Obama wants and runs against Hillary then we can see one debate against these two. But then, basta! Enough! As to the Republicans, there is only Trump or Jeb Bush and the satire magazine The Onion provides the best commentary on JeBush:

Extension Cord On Stage Steals Spotlight From Jeb Bush During Campaign Rally

CONCORD, NH—Emphasizing the allure and appeal of the 30-foot length of electrical power cable that shared the stage with the former Florida governor, sources confirmed that an orange three-pronged extension cord completely stole the spotlight from Jeb Bush during a New Hampshire campaign rally Friday. “Jeb made some interesting points about the need to prioritize national security, but ultimately he was just completely overshadowed by the far more riveting extension cord running along the floor beside him,” said political pundit Chris Wallace, who acknowledged that attendees appeared more energized by the flexible orange cable taped to the stage and noted that the one-time GOP frontrunner repeatedly failed to connect with the audience as effectively as the cord. “Unfortunately for Jeb, no matter what he did throughout the night, he just looked bland and flat compared to that extension cord. He’s not going to want to bring that piece of electrical equipment with him to any more rallies if he wants voters’ attention to stay directed at him.” At press time, the Bush campaign team was rapidly assembling a focus group to learn how the candidate could be more like the extension cord.

Hillary Clinton is up against Bernie Sanders, a man about as interesting as an intermittently working light bulb. Donald Trump is up against a dauphin less interesting than an extension cord.

Do we need more dim bulb debates? More no energy dullards on stage? No! CNBC, in order to have more time for commercials, wanted another three hour debate. Donald Trump said “NO” and Donald Trump won:

Again, that’s not a problem for Trump, who can get 30 minutes of cable-news time to riff on whatever he wants anytime he wants simply by dialing up CNN or whoever and asking to be put on the air. On the contrary: Both as the frontrunner and as a guy whose grasp of policy detail is not, shall we say, his chief selling point, he has every incentive at this point to keep the debates as short as possible.

Let’s assume, for arguments sake, that Donald Trump wants less time for self-interested entirely selfish, politically motivated reasons. None of that matters. Donald Trump won the larger debate over who is the dog and who is the tail. Big Media efforts to convince the public, the political parties, and the candidates, that Big Media is the big dog and the political process is the tail just got beat by Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the new Big Dog and Big Media is what comes out of the dog in the tail region. Donald Trump did what we have advised candidates to do since 2007 and that is why Donald Trump is a leader who wins and wins and wins:

CNBC Agrees to Two-Hour Debate: This Is Why Donald Trump Is Winning

While every other Republican remained publicly silent, frontrunner Donald Trump got his closest rival, Dr. Ben Carson, to join with him and together they stood up and said, “No.”

This kept Trump in the headlines and at the top of the news cycle throughout yesterday afternoon and this morning. And now we’ve learned that Trump and Carson won. The DC/NY media agreed to the frontrunners’ demands.

Does anyone in the weak-kneed Republican Establishment, or among the bubbled-morons in the Punditocracy, have any more questions about why The Donald appears to be coasting to the Republican nomination for President of the United States? [snip]

Look who publicly stood up to the media. Look who punched back by threatening to boycott the debate and used their leverage as frontrunners to get CNBC to back down.

This morning CNBC caved and agreed to a two-hour debate. The RNC also believes the candidates will get their opening and closing statements.

Let me put this as simply as possible for the GOPSmartSet-impaired: The Republicans will not win the White House in 2016 with yet another “electable” squish. We need a standard-bearer who is not only willing to stand up to the media but who also knows how to prevail against the media. [snip]

Strength and competence wins the respect of voters and by extension their confidence and their votes. And right now, while Establishment candidates like Jeb Bush go full-Beta, the only Republican candidate showing both strength and competence is Donald Trump.

Trump is in command.

A Bill Clinton axiom is “Better to be strong and wrong, than weak and right.” The new Big Dog, Donald Trump, understands and fights. Donald J. Trump is not only right, he’s strong enough to fight for what’s right. Trump is strong, and not wrong.

The third Republican debate will be under the command and control of Donald J. Trump. CNBC will try to take Trump down at the debate but at every turn Trump will be able to say that CNBC is attacking Trump in vengeance for lost commercial dollars. And that is why Donald J. Trump just won the third GOP debate.

CNBC and the Lilliputians will still try to take down Trump. Already we have seen how Megyn Kelly teamed up with Carly “Fizzles” Fiorina to sneer against Trump.



After the second debate Big Media proclaimed Carly Fiorina’s performance to be spectacular and Rich Lowry on Fox News declared Fiorina to have cut off Trump’s testicles. Our modest prediction was that Fizzles Fiorina would “rise and rise and rise from the low single digits to the high single digits.” Our prediction came true along with our “poof” addendum that after the rise Fizzles Fiorina would be back to low single digits. Done and done.

Fizzles Fiorina, as devastated as she is, compares favorably to what Donald Trump has done to the rest of the field of dreamers. Have you seen the financial results for the last quarter as filed by the candidates?

Consider Donald J. Trump:

Donald Trump Accidentally Raised Almost As Much As Rubio

Donald Trump’s campaign collected $4 million in the third quarter, roughly the same as Florida Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL). The real difference, though, is that Trump’s campaign hasn’t conducted any fundraising efforts.

Almost all of that $4 million total is from “unsolicited” donations. People simply sent his campaign money without being asked for it. [snip]

The result is that Trump, without trying, raised far more than Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and was largely in-line with major challengers Rubio and businesswomen Carly Fiorina. [snip]

According to the most recent FEC filing, Jeb Bush’s campaign was spending more than $3.5 million each month during the Summer.

Donald Trump has spent the least amount of any of the major candidates. Through the entire campaign so far, Trump has spent just over $5 million total.

That’s not the most astounding Trump money news. It’s all about the hats:

Republican frontrunner Donald Trump spent more on hats, bumper stickers, yard signs and t-shirts than he did on any other category in the third quarter, according to his latest campaign finance report filed on Thursday. [snip]

In typical presidential campaigns, top expenditures are usually payroll, mailings and consultants.

But those items did not feature largely on Trump’s report. The filing, made with the Federal Election Commission, contained no line item for payroll at all. [snip]

Trump raised nearly $4 million in the third quarter. In total, the campaign has raised $5.8 million and spent $5.6 million. Despite proclamations that he would self-fund his candidacy, Trump still raked in unsolicited donations from nearly 74,000 people, who gave an average of $50.46.

Jeb Bush? Jeb Bush is the profligate prodigal son:

“The high life has ended,” said one Florida operative familiar with the campaign’s operation. [snip]

“At a certain point, we want to see a bang for the buck. We’re spending the bucks — and we’re seeing no bang,” a longtime Bush Republican said.

Bush is stuck at 7 percent in an average of national polls. [snip]

In New Hampshire, seen by many as a must-win for Bush, Bush and the Right to Rise super PAC backing him have spent at least $4.8 million on TV and radio to support him since early September. One ad-tracking firm produced an analysis for POLITICO that showed pro-Bush spots in the past three weeks have occupied about 60 percent of the political ad air-time in the state. Bush’s numbers have moved from 9 perrcent [sic] to 8.7 percent since the ad blitz began, according to the Real Clear Politics averages of polls in the GOP primary. [snip]

But when asked how he plans to improve his standing, Bush himself has been blunt: “I’m going to do something really novel,” he said last week. “It’s called advertising.” [snip]

“In the past, advertising was a show of strength. Now, if you’re advertising it’s because you’re in a weak position,” said Elizabeth Wilner, senior vice president of Kantar Media Ad Intelligence overseeing its Campaign Media Analysis Group.

TipToes JeBush can barely keep his nose above water.

Self-funded Donald J. Trump has a “burn rate” lower than the money Americans are sending him! And Trump is tops! JeBush spends like a drunk sailor in a Nevada whorehouse. And Bush is drowning! Carson? Ben Carson is making money to spend money:

In the three-month period that ended September 30, the campaign spent 53 cents for every dollar it raised. That number was down slightly from 64 cents for every dollar raised in the second quarter of the year.

Spending top dollar on fundraising has enabled the campaign to assemble a list of more than two million donors from whom it raises between $200,000 and $350,000 per day, a campaign spokesman said.

In all, Mr. Carson directed $11 million of the $14 million he spent in the third quarter to fundraising costs.

Get Dr. Carson to the burn unit at the hospital as a patient. Bad, bad, burn rate. He raised $20 million last quarter but already spent $14 million.

Donald J. Trump is winning every poll in every state, every national poll, consistently, month after month even as he spends less than the other major candidates. The new polls shatter the dreamers:

He first took the lead in the RCP national poll average on July 20, so next week will mean three full months at the top. And Trump is far ahead of the two squabbling candidates, Bush and Rubio, in the early-voting states:

1) In Iowa, Trump is up by 17 over Bush, and 18 over Rubio, according to the most recent poll, by the Wall Street Journal.

2) In New Hampshire, Trump is up by 10 over Bush and 11 over Rubio, according to the Journal.

3) In South Carolina, Trump is up by 25 over Rubio and 30 over Bush in a brand-new CNN poll.

4) In Nevada, Trump is up by 31 over Rubio and 32 over Bush, according to CNN.

They keep burying Trump but, but, Zombie Trump continues to rise and thrive in the supposed strongholds of other candidates:

Trump Trouncing GOP Foes on Their Home Turf

GOP frontrunner Donald Trump is not only leading all national and state polls, but he’s trouncing his other GOP opponents in their own states as voters soundly turn against established government leaders in favor of the New York real estate billionaire.

On Thursday, the trend continued, with a new Rutgers-Eagleton poll in New Jersey showing Trump soundly defeating all challengers and coming in several points ahead of Gov. Chris Christie. The numbers in the poll are as follows, reports The Record:

Trump, 32 percent
Ben Carson, 13 percent
Marco Rubio, 13 percent
Ted Cruz, 6 percent
Carly Fiorina, 5 percent
Chris Christie, 5 percent
Jeb Bush, 5 percent
John Kasich, 2 percent
Mike Huckabee, 1 percent
George Pataki, 1 percent
Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal and Rand Paul, less than 1 percent
Graham and Jim Gilmore, 0 percent

Christie’s numbers dropped from 12 percent in August, according to the poll, while Trump’s rose, from 21 percent. [snip]

The latest Quinnipiac University poll shows Trump holding double-digit leads against both Bush and Rubio, with Trump at 28 percent, Rubio at 14 percent, and Bush at 12 percent.

Trump is also leading in Florida over Rubio and Bush among Hispanics, a group with which both Florida leaders share ties, reports Breitbart. According to a September Public Policy Polling survey, Trump defeated Bush among Hispanics by 37 to 29 percent, and defeated Rubio by one percentage point. [snip]

Trump is also defeating Ohio Gov. John Kasich, even though the Republican governor has been enormously popular among his own state’s residents, reports The Columbus Dispatch, reporting last week on a Quinnipiac Poll that focused on Ohio and two other swing states, Florida and Pennsylvania.

The numbers were:

  • Trump, 23 percent
  • Carson, 18 percent
  • Kasich, 13 percent
  • Cruz, 11 percent
  • Fiorina, 10 percent
  • “Gov. John Kasich’s big card was his enormous popularity in Ohio, generally considered the most important swing state in the November election,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. 

    “But with Trump zooming well past him in the Buckeye State and Kasich’s numbers in Florida and Pennsylvania in low single digits, the Ohio governor’s campaign is going in the wrong direction,” Brown said.

    Graham, who has represented South Carolina for several years, recorded an embarrassing defeat in a CNN/ORC poll released Wednesday that gave Trump 36 percent, compared to 5 percent for Graham.

    Rand Paul in Kentucky and Ted Cruz in Texas are not beating Trump either. Trump tops them all, consistently. That’s something not even Hillary Clinton can boast in her primary against non-entities.

    Donald Trump has triumphed in the third GOP debate even before it is held. It’s not just the third debate though. Donald Trump might have won this primary already. It’s only a few more months until Iowa votes on February 1 and if JeBush cannot advertise himself out of the circling drain, Trump will flush him along with the rest of the, um, schleps.

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    1. Fundraising, not self-funders:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-campaign-money-race-democrats-vastly-outpacing-republicans/2015/10/15/794a1ee4-7352-11e5-8d93-0af317ed58c9_story.html

      The Democratic presidential contenders dramatically outpaced their Republican counterparts in the race for campaign cash last quarter, spotlighting how the parties are taking divergent paths in their pursuit of 2016 funding.

      The emphasis by Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bernie Sanders on raising money directly for their campaigns has helped them amass large donor pools critical to generating the estimated $1 billion each party’s candidate will need to raise by Election Day.

      While GOP candidates put an intense focus early in the year on raising huge sums for independent groups, many have had less success in attracting smaller donations that are the lifeblood of campaign operations, campaign finance reports filed Thursday show.

      The risk of the big-money approach was underscored by the modest $13.4 million raised over the summer by former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who earlier this year was expected to be a financial powerhouse. Just $877,000 came from donations of $200 or less.

      After helping scoop up more than $100 million for his allied super PAC before declaring his bid, Bush is now struggling to explain to backers why he is not getting more traction among the party’s rank-and-file. [snip]

      One of the challenges for Bush and other GOP hopefuls has been the dominance of real-estate impresario Donald Trump, who has siphoned off much of the enthusiasm in the base. The businessman raised $3.8 million, even though he has pledged to self-fund his campaign and is not soliciting contributions.

      “Donald Trump has basically stultified the fundraising for these candidates,” said Anthony Scaramucci, who had been Walker’s national finance co-chair and is now backing Bush. “He’s the Trump speed bump. His ratcheting up in the polls has made it very difficult for more establishment Republicans to get traction with donors.”

      In all, six Democratic candidates reported raising $123.2 million for their campaign committees so far this year, while 15 GOP candidates pulled in $143.5 million overall.

      Clinton and Sanders together had $60.1 million on hand at the end of September. Meanwhile, the 15 Republicans combined reported having $61.2 million in the bank.

      The totals raised on each side by the candidate-aligned super PACs are unclear, because they do not have to report their fundraising until Jan. 31. But by mid-year, GOP allied groups had raised $234 million and Democratic groups had pulled in $17 million.

      Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson raised the most in the Republican field last quarter, scooping up $20.8 million. He still fell short of the totals posted by Clinton ($29.5 million) and Sanders ($26.2 million).

      Other GOP candidates trail behind: Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas ($12.2 million), former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina ($6.8 million), Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida ($5.7 million), Ohio Gov. John Kasich ($4.4 million), New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie ($4.2 million) and Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky ($2.5 million).

      One of the Democrats’ major structural advantages is the size of their small-donor bases. A staggering 650,000 individuals have given Sanders money already, while nearly 400,000 have donated to Clinton, her campaign said Thursday.

      The senator from Vermont spent just $11.3 million last quarter, ending September with almost $27.1 million in the bank.

      Clinton spent at a much faster pace, shelling out $25.7 million as her campaign made deep investments in building its data analytics and national ground operation. Her biggest expense was for a staff that swelled to 511 over the summer — $8.5 million went to payroll and taxes. She headed into October with nearly $33 million on hand.

      Carson and Cruz appear to have built the strongest small-donation operations on the GOP side. Carson raised 60 percent of his money last quarter in low-dollar contributions — more than $12 million — thanks to a donor base of 402,000 people. Cruz brought in $5.3 million in small contributions, 44 percent of his total haul.

      Fiorina also saw a late burst of small donations. Almost half of the $6.8 million she raised was in low-dollar contributions, with donations spiking after her two lauded debate performances.

      Low-dollar contributors are key to a candidate’s long-term health — not just because they can provide repeated injections of cash, but because they bring energy.

      “That’s the biggest leading indicator for us about who is hot,” said Becki Donatelli, a top GOP digital strategist whose firm is working for eight of the 2016 candidates. “These are your volunteers. They’ve got skin in the game.”

      That has been a weakness for Bush, whose small donations amounted to just 6.5 percent of his total last quarter. Instead, his finance operation relies heavily on a network of longtime family loyalists. On Thursday, his campaign released a list of 342 fundraisers who have bundled at least $17,600 for his bid, but it did not indicate how much each person has raised. More than 70 of the bundlers are from his home state of Florida.

      Bush raced through $11.5 million over the summer, spending money at a steep “burn rate” of nearly 86 percent.

      He was not alone: Many of the candidates spent money at an intense clip in the third quarter.

      Carson’s campaign spent $14 million between July and September. Of that, $9.5 million was spent on media and advertising. Nearly $2.7 million went to direct-mail expenses, and $1.4 million was allocated for payroll expenses.

      Trump burned through $4 million in three months, more than the $3.9 million his campaign took in. He reported paying more than 50 consulting firms or individuals, including security guards, strategists, communications specialists, event producers, video­graphers, photographers, web designers and a host of administrative support staffers.

      Trump’s biggest expenses appear to be the renting out large venues to host elaborate events that attract thousands, as well as campaign swag. He has thus far spent more than $800,000 on T-shirts, hats and other campaign-branded items. He also appears to have purchased radio airtime in Virginia and has hired telemarketing and direct-mail firms.

      Paul spent $4.5 million, nearly double the $2.5 million he brought in — an unsustainable burn rate of 186 percent. His biggest expenditures were for campaign consulting and online advertising.

      Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), who has struggled to break out of the bottom tier of 2016 candidates since launching his bid in June, raised less than $600,000 during the third fundraising quarter in 2015. He spent more than $800,000, with the bulk of those expenditures going to payroll, media and campaign consulting.

      Thursday’s filings shed light on the dire financial predicaments that led Walker and Perry to drop out.

      Perry, a former Texas governor, raised just $252,000 in contributions during the most last recent reporting period — from July 1 to Sept. 30 — but racked up more than $1 million in operating expenditures during that same time. To sustain that pace, the campaign relied on the $884,000 it held at the beginning of the reporting period.

      In all, the campaign paid nearly $300,000 in consulting fees on expenses ranging from finance to media specialists. Of that, $200,000 went to Abstract Communications LLC, a consulting firm registered under the name of his campaign manager, Jeffrey Miller. Miller could not be reached to comment.

    2. Informative as always. I am still trying to think how the GOP derails Trump as they will not let him be the nominee. Meanwhile, the loathsome Zogby is suggesting a democratic dream ticket of Biden and Gillibrand.

    3. JBStonesFan, we’ve been gaming how the GOP will try to de-Trump. The best we have come up with is (1) advertising and (2) smears.

      Both approaches we doubt will work. On advertising as a take down strategy we have already seen the millions Club for Growth spent on Trump attacks in Iowa. Not very good results there. Of course, millions upon millions of attack ads might do the trick. But the potential for backlash in a multi-candidate race might either hurt the candidate seen as attacking Trump (even if the attacks come from an organization most people will figure the attacks come from Bush); or even be counterproductive and help Trump.

      The “smears” tactic could also work but Trump has been a public figure featured on tabloids, talk shows, and celebrity magazines so we don’t think that will work either. It’s like Bill Clinton. Bill was not a boy scout and the public knew it so all the “bimbo” attacks and draft dodging, pot smoking, commie lovin’, womanizing, black babies, clenis, attacks failed to stick because the public said “so what?”

      Of course, the two tactics could be combined and millions of attack ads aired to smear Trump. But we doubt that will work either.

      Calling Trump “not a conservative” won’t work for the GOP. Calling Trump a Hillary “plant” hasn’t worked for the GOP. Saying Trump is “mean” won’t work in a country as angry as this one.

      We suppose the GOP establishment could try to attack Trump as a “New Yorker” but Trump in Alabama (or was it Georgia?) already got laughs by asking the audience if they ever thought they would be cheering a New Yorker.

      Attacks on his hair haven’t worked either.

    4. These debates are really nothing more that Hunger Games for the entertainment of the masses while the establishment gets the candidate it wants, except that Trump has now become Katniss Everdeen and upset the apple cart.

    5. These debates are really nothing more than Hunger Games for the entertainment of the masses while the establishment gets the candidate it wants, except that Trump has now become Katniss Everdeen and upset the apple cart.

    6. Most of those donor counts are very questionable. Murphy’s pumaPAC formed the FECK Obama Team and we reviewed his 2008 Campaign contributions. A lot of phony stuff. They were claiming millions of small donors but, in fact, had fewer than 700,000 unique donors in the database. When the contributions were properly cross referenced, there were millions in donations that were over the maximum limit. Then, 1/3 of the money came from “Unitemized” contributions that were claimed to be under the reporting limit.

      The 2012 campaign looked like more of the same, except the FEC was better at challenging the over-limit contributions.

      Now, Bernie has $6 million in itemized and $20 million in unitemized contributions for his third quarter report. http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2015/Q3/C00577130.html

      Hillary show $24 million itemized and 5 million unitemized.

      So what do you think is happening?

    7. That unitemized thing is really a loophole. Because people give multiple contributions, there is know way to know if they are under the reporting limit, unless you itemize and total them. So it is really just a way to bring in funny money.

      Now with the 2008 BO campaign I did a data distribution analysis of the contribution amounts versus the number of people who gave them and it was very apparent the unitemized donations were mostly dirty money, about $210 million, was my best estimate. But you cannot prove it.

    8. I finally caved last night and gave hillary $10.00, I hadn’t given anything this cycle. Figured she deserved it after the debate it’s only a small amout but I saw that bernie had made 3.4$ after the debate so figured i should chip in for Hillary.

    9. Admin
      Let’s be the first to say it: Ban these debates. All of them. The public gets nothing from these phony filled-with-baloney “debates”. What are these phony “debates” about? The public gets nothing by way of information from them, the candidates get “free” airtime, the TV station gets money from commercials. The public gets screwed. Find another format and get rid of these phony debates. We suggest gladiatorial spectacles as in ancient Rome with candidates physically assaulting each other.

      It’s attempts to prop up little Jebbie Bush as his pawns try to take down Trump. On the Hillary side, there is no one for her to debate. Sanders and the rest of the Obama fluffers are not serious applicants even for a McDonalds’ janitorial management job let alone fit to be in any “debate” with the word “presidential” in the description. Get rid of these debates.

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      I absolutely agree Admin!

      I wanna see a REAL debate, with intelligent questions posed, not a poor episode of the Maury Povich show.

      As much of a powerpuff bowl as the Dims had the other night, it at least did not bring it down to the circus level that Fox held, with little anchors trying to get Trump pulled off of the stage.

      American’s are tired of getting screwed when they are trying to learn about these candidates. This year, so far, all the debates SUCK!

      What next, TMZ comes up with the questions?

    10. Bernie looks to be the only candidate with more unitemized contributions, then itemized contributions, except for Trump who just has a couple of million of each.

      More typical, when I reviewed the records of past candidates, they would have 10-20% of their contributions unitemized.

      Bernie is showing $30 million of his $40 million contributions for the cycle to date as unitemized. Who is his Daddy?

    11. A play by play on how Trump beat up CNBC:

      http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/cnbc-gop-debate-donald-trump-demands-214875

      How Trump almost blew up the third GOP debate

      The Republican front-runner’s threat to boycott CNBC’s debate set off an intense 48 hours of deal-making.

      Donald Trump, the billionaire-businessman-turned-Republican-frontrunner, often boasts on the campaign trail about his cunning negotiating skills, promising to best the likes of China, Mexico and Iran to get the most incredible, most tremendous deals.

      This week, it was CNBC that got Trump’d.

      Under mounting pressure, the network bowed to the demands of Trump and other presidential candidates for the Oct. 28 presidential debate — a decision that capped a flurry of behind-the-scenes negotiations that drew in some of the most powerful figures from the TV network and the Republican Party.

      The Republican National Committee, which has been working with CNBC on the format for the debate, to be held in Boulder, Colo., announced on Friday that the program would be capped at a total of two hours and allow for candidates to give opening and closing statements. In recent days, questions about logistics had evolved into a high-stakes tug of war.

      Along with several other candidates, Trump, whose celebrity profile drew tens of millions of viewers to the first two GOP primary debates, had threatened to withdraw from the debate because CNBC had initially been planning to not allow for opening and closings.

      The network was also planning for a debate that, including commercials, would extend past the two-hour mark; last month, Trump loudly and repeatedly complained about the three-hour-long length of the GOP debate at the Ronald Reagan Library. [snip]

      The flare-up began on Wednesday morning, when the RNC and CNBC held a conference call with GOP campaigns to discuss the planned format for the Boulder debate. During that call, aides to Carson and Rand Paul protested the network’s stipulation that candidates not be allowed to give opening and closing statements. To the campaigns, it was clear why CNBC wouldn’t budge: They wanted a debate that was squarely focused on question and answers — a format, in other words, that would allow more time for more candidate-on-candidate clashes.

      On the call, Ed Brookover, a top Carson aide and longtime GOP strategist who formerly worked at the RNC, threatened to take his concerns public and, according to two sources on the call, called CNBC “arrogant.” Chris LaCivita, an aide to Paul, argued that a short opening and closing statement wouldn’t be too much to ask for in a multi-hour program.

      After the call wrapped up, the RNC started talks with CNBC. Spicer reached out to Matt Cuddy, the network’s Washington bureau chief; the next morning, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus spoke with CNBC’s president, Mark Hoffman. Then, on Thursday morning, the RNC reached out to the campaigns to arrange another conference call. The purpose: To gauge their “red line” — in other words, whether their objections to the format meant they wouldn’t be willing to attend the debate.

      The result was chaos. Soon after the call began, aides to Cruz and Trump said they were considering bailing. LaCivita, meanwhile, went so far as to say that if there weren’t opening or closing statements, CNBC could “go f— themselves.” Aides to John Kasich and Mike Huckabee questioned why the RNC was holding the call in the first place. Ken McKay, Chris Christie’s campaign manager, was reluctant to talk about his “red line” on an open conference call line. It would soon leak, he reasoned.

      Amid the back-and-forth, Christian Ferry, the campaign manager for struggling Lindsey Graham, cracked a joke. If any candidates weren’t willing to show up for the primetime debate, he said, Graham, who’s been relegated to the undercard, would be willing to take their place. There were gales of laughter.

      After nearly 30 minutes, Katie Walsh, the RNC’s frustrated chief of staff, abruptly tried to cut the call off. As she did, LaCivita, an aggressive political operative who helped orchestrate the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacks on John Kerry in 2004, muttered, “This is unbelievable.”

      The food fight was just getting started. That afternoon, aides to Trump and Carson, the two leading candidates in the Republican primary, sent a letter to Cuddy saying that unless CNBC limited the debate to two hours and allowed for opening and closing statements, they would bail. That evening, during an appearance on Fox News, the real estate mogul reiterated the threat.

      With things spiraling out of control, Priebus got back in touch with CNBC’s leadership. Thursday evening, he outlined the reasons why opening and closing statements were so important to the Republican candidates. First, he said, candidates wanted an opportunity to express their platform unfiltered. Secondly, he said, some were worried that, without them, they wouldn’t be heard until well into the program.

      The network was fine with Trump and Carson’s wish for a debate that would be two hours flat. But what about the sticky matter of opening and closing statements?

      The RNC came up with a proposal: Allow for one minute opening and closing statements. After some discussion, CNBC returned with a counter-offer: 30-second opening and closings.

      Starting late Thursday evening, RNC officials, including Priebus and Spicer, reached out to campaigns, gauging how they felt about 30-second statements. Again, the RNC wanted to know, what was their red line?

      While not all the campaigns were happy with the small time allotment, none were willing to skip the pivotal debate. By Friday afternoon, the committee had reached an agreement with the network. “Very positive discussions with @CNBC about #GOP Debate,” Priebus wrote on his Twitter account.

      But none, perhaps, was happier than Trump.

      “@CNBC has just agreed that the debate will be TWO HOURS,” he tweeted on Friday. “Fantastic news for all, especially the millions of people who will be watching!”

    12. Can’t wait for Mitt to announce he will rescue the GOP now that Villages Idiot will rescue dims:

      http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2fd0767a54074716885d71bf40703984/letter-biden-aide-urges-dems-not-count-him-out-yet

      Breaking silence, Biden team leans in on potential 2016 run

      WASHINGTON (AP) — Joe Biden is sending out an unmistakable “forget-me-not” plea for 2016, brushing past signs of a Hillary Rodham Clinton resurgence with fresh and direct suggestions he could be on the verge of entering the presidential race.

      The vice president’s political team broke its months-long silence on the subject with a letter circulated by one of Biden’s closest friends and top advisers. In the letter, though Biden is still officially undecided, former Sen. Ted Kaufman describes a “campaign from the heart” that Biden would wage and says a decision isn’t far off.

      “If he decides to run, we will need each and every one of you — yesterday,” Kaufman says temptingly, alluding to the breakneck speed at which Biden would have to ramp up a campaign.

      To its recipients — Biden’s former Senate, White House and campaign staffers — Thursday’s letter smacked of an unambiguous indication Biden was all but green-lighting a presidential campaign. Several individuals familiar with the letter say it was circulated with Biden’s blessing. The individuals weren’t authorized to comment publicly and requested anonymity. [snip]

      This week he has been placing calls to top Democratic strategists in early primary states such as Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina to solicit candid assessments of his chances, according to individuals familiar with the calls. Biden’s team has also had detailed conversations with campaign data and analytics experts to determine how quickly he could ramp up the digital side of his campaign, the individuals said. [snip]

      In the letter, Kaufman offered the first clues to Biden’s rationale for a run, describing an “optimistic” campaign that would focus on expanding middle-class opportunity and protecting Obama’s legacy. He also drew an implicit contrast with Clinton, who has been criticized by some as appearing calculated or overly choreographed.

      “I think it’s fair to say, knowing him as we all do, that it won’t be a scripted affair,” Kaufman said. “After all, it’s Joe.”

    13. None of that matters. Donald Trump won the larger debate over who is the dog and who is the tail. Big Media efforts to convince the public, the political parties, and the candidates, that Big Media is the big dog and the political process is the tail just got beat by Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the new Big Dog and Big Media is what comes out of the dog in the tail region. Donald Trump did what we have advised candidates to do since 2007 and that is why Donald Trump is a leader who wins and wins and wins:
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      Bingo.

      Bingo Bango.

      Bingo Bango Bongo.

      Truth.

      With the bark off.

      Another home run, admin.

      To see what others do.

      But to see it more clearly.

      That is what you have done here.

      Again.

    14. Now the question:

      What kind of fucking assholes are they?

      What chutzpah—to extend the debates an additional hour–to generate more commericals?

      To deny candidates equal time??

      To conduct the republican “debates” like cross examination, and the democrat debates like direct?

      You know what I mean Jb, right?

      To extent this misery and boredom while denying candidates an opening statement or closing?

      Guess what kiddies/

      Big media has jumped the shark in these “debates”

      I can think of no better reason for candidates to do what Trump/Carson have done.

      Boycott this farce.

      I can think of no better reason to do what admin advocates, end the farce, and go to the people.

      Yes, it is possible to get our jobs back, to push back on China, Mexico

      And Trump is showing how it is done—by defeating big media.

      Which fancies itself as the kingmaker.

      Lay down thy flattering unction, big media.

      You are the tail, and hershey highway.

      You are not the dog.

    15. Ol’ Joe is just playing his, Will he or won’t he to the hilt.

      Too bad Joe, no one cares.

      In or out, you won’t make a difference. Obama thinks you can save him, you can’t.

    16. Now the latest, thanks to NBC

      Trump had mob dealings early in his career

      I had mob dealings early in my career

      Anyone who did business in the construction industry in New York had mob dealings.

      That was what the windows trial was all about.

      Anyone who did business on the airport in New York had mob dealings.

      The mob controlled the unions and the suppliers.

      Just because you had mob dealings does not mean that you were corrupt.

      But that is the inference that msnbc seeks to impute to Trump.

      And, you know what, it don’t mean shit.

      Because where the elites are concerned behind every great fortune is a great crime.

      And there, but for the grace of god, goeth they.

    17. Shadow, I think Joe will do a Fred Thompson. He rolls in late, sell the sizzle not the steak, and then just fades away—low energy, as Trump would say. Don’t get me wrong, everyone loves Joe, but everyone knows he is dumber than owl shit.

    18. Admin: I hope the world recognizes that Trump is following the exact game plan you laid out for Hillary, and he is winning. And every win he achieves validates your strategy. Hillary can get by up to now through the slip shod approach, and the lack of competent challengers. But the end game you have laid out, that is where the problem lies. It is as simple as you say: he does not have to attack her directly, and endure the Megan Kelly charges of sexism. All he has to do is attack Obama, and because Hillary has decided on a stay the course strategy, the logic thereof means she must defend an indefensible position. Stupid people get lost in the detail, and dwell on the what do I do next. Smart people look at the end game and structure it to their advantage. You have asked Hillary do do that repeatedly, which is all you or any other adviser can do. After that, it is up to the principal.

      Incidentally, Mrs. Smith has noted Bill’s absence and wondering that that is all about. She feels that it would be best if Hillary presents her campaign in the context of her family. Here is some g-2 on why that has not happened. Take it for what it is worth.

      http://www.dickmorris.com/the-ed-klein-interviews-does-bill-really-want-hillary-to-win-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

    19. The reality is that this race is nowhere near being settled on…..

      The whole love in with Biden ends when he has to start putting up instead of providing the romantic notion, he will have to explain every bit of the last 8 years as Obama’s puppy, even more so that Hillary has to. He will instantly become the establishment candidate and that is where it will all go south, then of course there is the Biden we all know, gaffe a minute.

      The question for Trump is…..what happens when all the others start dropping out and he is left with 1 or 2 others with him……..26% at present does not guarantee you a win, it just means you have a very split opposition….What happens to him when that opposition starts consolidating around the other one, proably Rubio or Bush as the others drop out because i sort of suspect once that starts happening and the GOP start forcing the lower tiers out, we may well see the GOP field even out a little. Then it starts getting tricky for him. Trump is getting the GOP protest vote for now but can he carry a majority when the opposition comes together, I really don’t think so.

    20. Good God, not him again…just go the fuck away…….This guy would suck off a corpse for a cheeseburger, he has no loyalty, only to whoever wants to pay him.

      http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/florida/2015/10/8579939/crist-announce-bid-congress-next-week

      Former Florida governor Charlie Crist is set to announce his bid for Congress during a Tuesday press conference in St. Petersburg.

      A release from Kevin Cate, an adviser to Crist’s failed 2014 bid for governor, says Crist will make a “major announcement.”

      Crist, a Democrat, has already said he would run for the St. Petersburg-based 13th Congressional District, which was made favorable for a Democratic candidate as the result of a legal challenge to the state’s current congressional lines.

      The district almost certain to be approved by the Florida Supreme Court was won by president Obama by 54 percent, and is widely considered a safe pickup for Democrats.

    21. To have the momentum for this period of time suggests it will continue—or, as Newton’s first law: an object in motion or at rest, tends to stay in motion or at rest. It has sustained a whole litany of torpedoes launched by establishment sub-mariners to send his candidacy, and him along with it to Davy Jones locker. What we have seen from Donald is a degree of sophistication and boldness to push back against the corruption that permeates this political establishment—which is robbing American citizens of their birth right and their future. Beyond that however, Donald has established a new school of politics, which relies on spontaneity, rather than canned talking points. His political instincts were honed in the competitive world of business, where there is a bottom line beyond just winning elections. His ability to negotiate trade deals which will bring back jobs is being proven as we speak by the success he has had in changing the rules of engagement with big media–showing them in effect that they are the rump, the tail, but by no means the big dog. They are, for lack of a better term, camp followers, especially megan kelly and her ilk. Finally his excoriation of those useless as tits on a boar (bore)Ivy League trained foggy bottom types who habituate the finest hotels in the world, and give our future away so their boss can claim some phony talking point, and be popular with leaders of other nations is sublime. Yes. It is a long time from now until November of next year, and it is obvious that a lot can happen. But unlike other politicians, Donald is a fast moving quarry and their tools are not too effective. Meanwhile, the nation’s position under Obama is precarious. And that makes the call for real change more urgent than ever. Donald is a change agent. To me, it makes no sense to speculate on what might happen, since we are not in a position where if we knew we could counter it. I would rather watch the entire establishment melt down.

    22. The Biden Eclipse and the Trump Plateau

      Hillary Clinton pre-empts her biggest challenge as Republicans consider their alternatives.

      Vice President Joe Biden at the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C., Oct. 15. ENLARGE
      Vice President Joe Biden at the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C., Oct. 15. Photo: saul loeb/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
      .

      By
      Peggy Noonan

      Oct. 15, 2015 6:39 p.m. ET

      669 COMMENTS

      Something big happened at the Democratic debate. It didn’t have to do with Hillary Clinton besting Bernie Sanders or Jim Webb. What she had to do, after the long, battering summer, was show she is up to the battle, ready for it, capable—that she can do this. She did. She was crisp, lively, a presence. In demonstrating that she is up to the race she deprived Vice President Joe Biden of his rationale for getting into it. People say he didn’t have a rationale but of course he did, it just wasn’t something he could say or leak. His rationale, at 72 and having recently experienced great loss, was: The party’s in trouble, the front-runner can’t win, she’s too encrusted by scandal, in an act of heroic sacrifice I’m going to swoop in and save the day.

      But she had to tank, and very obviously, for him to swoop. She didn’t. If she had, I suspect we’d be spending the weekend hearing about his impending candidacy. We won’t.

      I don’t see how he gets in now.

      Too bad! Mr. Biden would have added a layer of affection to a so-far cold enterprise. He would have added an element of old-time normality to the field. He would have been as entertaining in his way as Donald Trump, and it would have been instructive to see how Democrats respond to the entrance of President Obama’s two-term vice president. Who has the party’s heart?

      It would have been great. But if he jumped in now he’d look like a spoiler, doing it not to save the party but fulfill his sense of destiny. He won’t want to look that way. If he were willing to look that way he would have announced six months ago.

      Luck matters in politics as in life and Mrs. Clinton has now been lucky twice in a short time. Kevin McCarthy blunted Republican arrows on Benghazi, then Bernie Sanders blunted arrows by saying the email scandal doesn’t matter. To many of his supporters, presumably, it did. Now all Democrats have permission not to care. It’s nice to get a pass like that!

      And now the one candidate who could have derailed her will likely not get in. She is on a roll.

      Opinion Journal Video

      Wonder Land Columnist Dan Henninger on Hillary Clinton’s debate performance and how it might affect the Vice President’s decision to run for president. Photo credit: Getty Images.
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      The Democratic debate revealed two other things. The 2008 Democratic contest was a rush to the center, with both leading Democrats, Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama, trying to show they were moderates at heart. The 2016 primary is a rush to the left. We are now not embarrassed to argue America should be more like Denmark, we are proudly socialist or severely progressive, and by the way Republicans are the enemy. Asked which enemy she was proudest to have made, Mrs. Clinton mentioned the NRA, the Iranians, some others and “probably the Republicans.” She was smiling, but if any GOP hopeful declared “the Democrats” to be on his enemies list he would be roundly condemned as polarizing, and people like me would be saying: “You don’t demonize the other team, you win them over!” It is interesting that in Mrs. Clinton’s case that isn’t happening.

      If the Democratic candidates are rushing to the left it’s because they know some significant quadrant of the base is there. If Hillary feels free to speak of the Republicans as enemies it’s because she knows there is a portion of the base that is angry, polarized and ready to respond to an aggressive tone.

      We hear a great deal about uncompromising anger on the Republican side and none about the take-no-prisoners resentment on the Democratic side. But it’s there.

      Which gets us to Donald Trump, who had another good week with smashing polls in Connecticut, Nevada, South Carolina and Virginia. ( Robert Costa of the Washington Post says the untold story now is Mr. Trump’s state organizing.) But the smartest new data I saw this week was from Target Point, which conducted a national poll of likely Republican primary voters from Sept. 29 through Oct. 1. I call it smart because it confirms my own observations and biases.

      It found the GOP electorate to be “extremely fluid.” No candidate is close to a majority. The average respondent is still considering six different candidates. Twenty-nine percent of those polled didn’t express a clear preference for any one candidate. Most are trying to choose between two favorites. Those enjoying increased consideration are Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio.

      Mr. Trump, according to Target Point, is not slumping. But “he does appear to have plateaued.”

    23. Crist will make a “major announcement
      ———
      That he picked up a STD at the Iguana Club, and will charge Florida voters for the cost of his cure, cleverly disguised in a new entitlement program, and he will extend coverage to illegal aliens to prove what a humanitarian he is.

    24. Those enjoying increased consideration are Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio.
      —————
      A figment of her imagination if you ask me.

      Much depends on whether the voter is too consumed with me-me-me, or I am bound by the collective of my peer group, or has the mental acuity to realize that either we turn things around or we fail as a nation.

      Several months ago, I went to visit a friend and happened to notice a group of school children in a playground running together in a wide sweep and changing directions as they moved. I thought to myself how much they resembled a flock of birds. I thought to myself, all life forms share similarities, we have highly developed brains, and do not always use them, so is that all we really are?

      Then I read an article by the biggest brain in my constellation, the software engineer, who unlike 99% of his peers who like the Microsoft people who infest our city are dead from the neck down. He compared the behavior in human beings in politics to a flock of starlings, who calibrate their distance from their 6 or 7 closest peers, and maintain it with the precision of a blue angels squadron or a missing man formation by the Thunderbirds, but have conception at all where the flock as a whole is headed.

    25. Jeb’s campaign is on life support……This does not sound like a man planning victory parties.

      Jeb Bush, crunched for cash, slashed the campaign salaries of more than 60 staffers

      http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/fec-bush-214869

      Bush’s campaign once saw its size and staff as its strength. But the newly released campaign-finance reports indicate it could be a liability if fundraising slacks further.
      More than 60 Bush staffers might have had their salaries cut or their positions changed to reduce their income, compared with the second quarter of the year when Bush announced his candidacy, the campaign-finance reports show. The campaign did not want to discuss the numbers. But the pay cuts, depending on whether the salaries are divided on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, could have saved the campaign anywhere from $450,000 to nearly $900,000 per quarter, according to a POLITICO analysis of the campaign’s payroll. The cuts have ranged from the small for some staffers ($12 a week) to large reductions for four of the top campaign chiefs who each took a $75,000 pay cut.
      The Bush campaign payroll is still huge: nearly $1.7 million this quarter. It spent as much as $2 million more on various consulting-related services, from fundraising to legal compliance.

    26. Gillibrand is a cold ambitious person with no core values as far as I can tell. She will do anything to get ahead.

    27. moononpluto
      October 17, 2015 at 5:41 am

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      Yup Moon, that’s pretty much what I have been thinking. I also don’t see a massive amount of conservatives running to the polls to support Trump.

      I think he is a centrist and we know how voting has gone for the moderate candidates since 2008. The Republican’s essentially let Obama win by not voting for McPalin nor Mitt.

    28. I’m currently reading Trump’s Art of the Deal, written when he was in his 40’s. Chapter 2 details his strategies for success and he ‘s employing those same strategies now, right down to his use of the media and “truthful hyperbole”. He talks about being creative and how people are attracted to “big ideas” but knows that those ideas must be backed by competence and achievement. He is not one to waste money, a smart investor who always goes in to a deal with a back up plan or 2. His interactions with wasteful gov spending on a huge scale tell me that he has the knowledge and management skill to deal with our financial problems on a huge scale.
      What comes thru in the book are not only his brains and ability, but his discipline, hard work, common sense and an ability to read people and situations. The guy has a big heart. I like him more and more.

    29. Villi rand supported the Iran deal and apparently was not concerned about New York Jewish vote nod more importantly money. I think New York Jews, sans the orthodox and some conservatives are as bad as Obama and Kerry as far as disliking Israel. The gall of Kerry , Obama and most MSM to compare terrorist Palestinians to IDF soldiers unchallenged shows you how weak the so called Jewish lobby is.

    30. Totaly disgusted. I had it forever but thought it was a fun read. He has been saying the same thing for decades. I remember wondering over the summer how long he could keep it up. He just keeps on going

    31. Peggy Noonan’s article misses the point.

      Then again, it is hard to see the point, when all you have to talk to is fellow elitists.

      Here again, I go back to the scene in Doctor Zhvigaho where we see a group of Czarist aristocrats milling around in a grand ballroom, when they hear the sound of a march in the street below. They feel a sense of icy silence until Kamarovsky says I wonder whether they will sing in tune after the revolution.

      You can not understand the appeal of outsiders like Trump and Carson over establishment candidates like Bush and Rubio–who someone observed sounds more like he is running for class president, if you believe as she does, that the problem here is that Obama set the bar so low etc.

      If that were all, then the base would look to the Republican establishment to rectify the problem. But instead, the look to the outside, and the reason they do that is because the Republican establishment personified by RINOs in general, and leaders like McConnell and Boehner lie to their constituents about opposing Obama, while clandestinely conspiring with him–a fact which few people have missed.

      The party is in trumoil, not because of Obama, but because they have shown by their course of conduct that they are in league with him. And because that is true, they have no choice but to look to non career politicians. This, in turn, is why I believe Trump has not plateaued. He will go up when other players drop out, when we hear from the dependents, and when Hillary is forced to defend Obama’s record of failure. Meanwhile, big media has been taken to the woodshed.

    32. Oh come on Hillary.

      We did not just fall off the turn-up truck.

      Does laughing and dismissing Benghazi as a conspiracy really work.

      Don’t ask those of us who walked fire for you to defend an indefensible position.

      Anyone with a lick of common sense knows that before, we ignored signals of an attack.

      During, Obama failed to give the order to save the troops. (see Bing West interview)

      After, a narrative was constructed by Rhoades to get Obama through the election, which laid the blame on a video maker, and this was repeated to the father of one of the marines who died trying to save the ambassador and defend the garrison.

      You say it there is no conspiracy.

      I think that is flat wrong.

      I say the burden of proof is not on us, but on you, to prove otherwise.

      If you can do that, I will support you.

      But do not try to laugh your way out of this, and call it tin foil hat stuff.

      That defense does not pass the red face test, even partisans and ignoranti will fall for it.

    33. Jesus. That interview with little miss manners jake the snake tapper sent me to the bottle, well before the sun is below the yardarm. Goddamnit it Hillary, stop it.

    34. Foxilady14
      I hear it all the time in 2008 I registered Indy. Since then my who family has gone indy. Open borders, . bLM has turned off many, white privilege might fly at Princeton. But don’t fly with people paying 600/mo for heath insurance. My brother pays 675 with a huge deductible. Took more than a 150 a week pay cut. You can’t keep working stiffs with hits like that.

    35. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/16/bill-maher-stuns-bernie-sanders-how-will-america-pay-for-your-radical-agenda.html?via=mobile&source=twitter

      Bill Maher Stuns Bernie Sanders: How Will America Pay For Your Radical Agenda?

      The host of HBO’s ‘Real Time with Bill Maher’ grilled the Democratic candidate on exactly how the U.S. will foot the bill for all his socialist programs. [snip]

      Maher endorsed the candidate and admitted that he “wanted to help [Sanders’] campaign” by demystifying the word “socialist” for Americans. “They hear socialist and they think herpes, Bernie!” he exclaimed. [snip]

      “Do the American people agree that public colleges and universities should be tuition-free, as they are in many other countries? Do the American people agree that the largest corporations and the wealthiest people, who today are doing phenomenally well while the middle-class shrinks, do people believe they should have to pay more in taxes? The American people say yes.”

      But Maher—in a surprise move—challenged Sanders on his utopian plan, echoing the most common critiques of the candidate’s agenda: that there’s no way raising taxes for the top 1 percent of Americans could pay for all these programs.

      “The tax revenue that we would get just from taxing the people who I think your fans think you’re talking about, the people who own a yacht, does not come close to covering what you want to pay for,” said Maher.

      “Not true. Not true,” a clearly-thrown Sanders fired back. “What I’m saying is there have been articles out there that have been really unfair and wrong. For example, what they are suggesting is that if we move to a Medicare-for-all single-payer program, which guarantees healthcare to all people, it would cost a lot of money. That’s true. But what they forget to tell you is it would be much more cost-effective than this dysfunctional system we have right now, which is the most expensive per capita on earth.”

      “But it couldn’t even work in your home state of Vermont!” Maher said. “They were going to institute it, and the governor said it’s going to cost too much money. We just can’t do it. It would be the entire budget. That’s true.”

      “No… Well, it’s not…,” a shaken Sanders replied. “I’m not the governor from the state of Vermont, I’m the senator from the state of Vermont…”

      Sanders asked Maher—Maher?!—to explain why he feels his universal healthcare plan wouldn’t work. And Maher obliged him.

      “Because they control both ends of it,” said Maher. “If you’re saying that the government is going to pick up the tab but not make the insurance companies, the hospitals, and the doctors not gouge people, then we are going to break the budget. It has to work both ways. So you’re going to make the hospitals do that? Because that is socialism.”

      And Sanders, who once again looked utterly shocked by the pushback he was getting from Maher, delivered his standard spiel, deflecting Maher’s question. “The United States is the only major country on earth that allows private insurance companies to make huge profits on the healthcare system,” he blustered. “The function of healthcare should be to provide quality care for all people, not to make huge profits for the drug companies and insurance companies. So, here is my point: We are spending more per capita on healthcare than any major country on earth, our healthcare outcomes are not particularly good, and I believe that healthcare should be a right of all people.”

      Maher proceeded to probe Sanders on exactly how he’d fund each of his radical programs.

      OK. But you want to increase social security.

      “And you know how we do that? We pay for it. We say that somebody who’s making $10 million should not end up paying the same amount as someone making $118,000. Lift the cap. We can extend and expand social security.”

      You also want free college.

      “We do. Not free college—free tuition at public colleges and universities. You know how we pay for that? Through a tax on Wall Street speculation.”

      So you’re saying we can pay for all this without raising taxes on anybody but the 1 percent?

      We may have to go down a little bit lower than that—but not much lower. And what people have to understand is right now people can’t afford to send their kids to college, and people are graduating school deeply in debt. Do I think we should join Germany and many other countries and encourage young people to get the education that they need, and make the country stronger? I sure do.”

      That, of course, remains to be seen.

      “No… Well, it’s not…,” a shaken Sanders replied. “I’m not the governor from the state of Vermont, I’m the senator from the state of Vermont…”

    36. What is it with Sanders voice that anoys the shit out of me……..

      and again..how the hell do you pay for all this……

      The problem is the US population is huge compared to somewhere like Denmark and the tax rate in places like Denmark is like 60 – 65%….Can you see that happening in the US?

      All Sanders is saying is tax tax tax and that is going to scare the shit out of the nation.

      Sanders got flambayed by Maher…….

    37. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/17/politics/joe-biden-president-2016-firefighters/index.html

      Harold A. Schaitberger, the president of the powerful International Association of Fire Fighters, spoke Friday morning with Vice President Joe Biden, who strongly indicated in the phone conversation that he is planning to run for president, a source familiar with the discussion said.

      The IAFF is one of the most influential labor groups in the U.S. Biden is especially close to labor, which could be a key constituency for him if he seeks the White House.

      Schaitberger declined to comment on the call, saying he does not discuss private conversations. But the source said Biden talked about campaign strategy with Schaitberger and indicated a final decision on whether he would run for president is imminent.

      The source described the call as one of many the vice president is making to potential backers of a Biden candidacy.

      Earlier this month, the New York Times reported the IAFF informed Hillary Clinton’s campaign that it had abandoned its plans to endorse the former secretary of state. And in a profile on Friday, the Times reported Schaitberger’s “close, longstanding relationship” to Biden, saying he personally lobbied the vice president in 2009 to expand a law that helped avert firefighter layoffs during the Great Recession.

      This past week, Schaitberger suggested to New York Magazine that if Biden ran, he’d get the union’s backing.

      “If the VP were to announce his candidacy, our membership would certainly be very inclined to support that candidacy,” he told the magazine.

    38. Some of us knew he was running all along….just plotting how to take Hillary down. The sad thing is we knew this probably before Hillary saw it coming.

    39. If Obama and Biden make too much noise, Hillary should volunteer to appear on the Benghazi committee and tell them where Obama was that night. We want to know what he did on that night.

    40. uh oh. I hope HRC is merely a bystander here:

      Smoking gun emails reveal ‘deal in blood’ George Bush and Tony Blair made as they secretly plotted the Iraq War behind closed doors a YEAR before the invasion
      Pub 10/17/2015
      Damning White House memo, from secretary of state Colin Powell to president George Bush, was written on March 28, 2002, a week before Bush’s famous summit with Blair at his Crawford ranch in Texas
      In the bombshell document, headed ‘Secret… Memorandum for the president’, Powell tells Bush that Blair ‘will be with us’ on military action
      It adds that Blair was preparing to act as spin doctor for Bush, who was told ‘the UK will follow our lead’
      New light was shed on Bush-Blair relations by material disclosed by Hillary Clinton at the order of the U.S. courts
      Snip
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277493/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-deal-blood-George-Bush-Tony-Blair-secretly-plotted-Iraq-War-closed-doors-YEAR-invasion-started.html

      Honest Colin.

    41. The “smears” tactic could also work but Trump has been a public figure featured on tabloids, talk shows, and celebrity magazines so we don’t think that will work either.
      ———
      Already factored into the stock price. Nobody who knows him thinks he is a saint, and yet many unmarried women are looking for a candidate who is, and is willing to be their Mr. Goodbar, or Obama.

      The guy the smear tactics would be more likely to work against would be Carson because high moral character is part of the brand. So far, big media operatives have screamed to the heavens about five malpractice cases (a cost of doing business if you are a surgeon–if it is even true), and the much more deadly charge that he lives in a big house and his neighbors do not know him.

      The thing I have come to realize is it is far less the politicians, and more the media who are running this country, and running it into the ground to enhance their wealth and power. That is the game within the game, and it is killing the country. They have no honor. But since when has honor had anything to do with it. I would be satisfied if the public rejected what they said and paid no attention to them. They are as invested in this citizen of the world shit as anyone in the political class.

    42. Let us hope that someone does ask in the PUBLIC hearing on Thursday just exactly WHERE was Obama? I mean he is the President but they want to string Hillary out here for HIS decisions????

      WHY has this never been asked?????

      Repubs has not much to lose now wanting to know about Obummer, he’s gone soon BUT it is imperative to know WHERE he was

      Also, I think Biden is waiting to see what happens in this hearing … to see IF HIS NAME comes up or Obama’s

      I have never known a SOS who was held responsible for a Presidents actions

      I hope Hillary addresses some of this BUT I would NOT HOLD MY BREATH

    43. holdthemaccountable
      October 18, 2015 at 9:12 am
      —————————————
      She was. She got those documents in an effort to understand what led to the Iraq war, and that got included in the emails released. I’m sure the far right is mightily pissed off at yet another evidence of Dubya’s deception regarding what led to the war there against Saddam Hussein.

    44. Tony Stark October 18, 2015 at 11:09 am
      She was [a bystander ]. She got those documents in an effort to understand what led to the Iraq war, and that got included in the emails released. I’m sure the far right is mightily pissed
      ———————————-
      and as I’m beginning to realize, this will cleanse Obama and his party in some eyes.

      Thanks for helping me understand.

    45. So far as Benghazi is concerned, the disparity in how BO has been investigated and how Hillary has been investigates says it all. It is all too apparent that BO has chemical dependency issues and they do not get better over time or under stress. I believe he was heavily medicated to get his beauty sleep for his fund raiser the next day and was not available in any kind of coherent state. Whatever he said or did, you can bet he was loaded when he said it or did it.

      If it did come out, Hillary would loose her leverage.

    46. It is all too apparent that BO has chemical dependency issues and they do not get better over time or under stress.
      ——-
      There are three (3) pieces of evidence that suggest you are on the right track.

      1. old selfies of him, with drug paraphenalia

      2. medical opinion by qualified experts that he is a sociopath

      3. disappearance whenever there is a crisis

      4. the incoherent nature of his foreign policy and statements

      Q-1: hat would it mean if the leader of the free world is a junkie?

      Q-2: Would it matter to the elites?

      Q-3: Would it be politically sufficient for the RINO to stop slobbering and start impeaching?

      Q-4: Could this also explain his reliance on Jarrett

      So lets stop beating around the bush

      He has suggested he would win if he ran for a 3d term

      The Constitution forbids it, by if they squeeze Roberts (again) he will say okey dokey.

      Go ahead crack head, prove it.

      Lay seige to the White House, and don’t let them evict you.

      Big media will serve as your Praetorian Guard—like they always do.

      Because you have made them rich, and you are their messiah.

    47. I have to say I agree with Trump on GWB’s responsibility for 9/11. I know he was spun as the hero, but I lived in Texas when he was governor and I know how awful he is. Years later, I actually had the State of Texas come and freeze my bank account for $200 in Sales Tax they “estimated” I owed them. I mean, they did not have any proof of it and I did not owe it. I just had not filed because the business was closed. I was left without groceries for my young daughter over a three day weekend, too. He passed all kinds of laws violating peoples rights when he was governor. And he was known as a coke-headed trust fund brat.

      The election of GWB, with idiot JEB as the Florida Governor, and the mergers of the mega corporations was the mark of the rise of fascism in this country and the Bush’s are integral to that. They are a rotten bunch. And when GWB was let off the hook for 9/11, I knew things were going to get bad. It was GWB who motivated me to become politically active and start voicing my objections to what has been happening.

      Yes, 9/11 happened on GWB’s watch and he is responsible because he did not pick up the Clinton Administrations responsibilities and deal with them properly. He was too busy looting the nation at Daddy’s instruction. And then look what he has done to our freedoms as a result of the attack. Safe? No, far from it.

    48. This is a very good article as to why Biden should just shut up and go away….

      As I pointed out…all this noise but people forget how god damn awful Biden was a candidate in 2008 and in 1988…..A feat they would be reminded of quickly should he make another stupid decision. Remember the savious that was Fred Thompson and Kennedy when he tried to challenge in 1979…….Its different pushing for a run and being the actual candidate with scrutiny.

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/10/18/allure-non-candidate-joe-biden-presidential-campaign-column/74177406/

      How many times have we heard that line? There is never a shortage of candidates for any particular office, especially for president. But there’s always that one person, man or woman, who would be the perfect candidate, the sure winner. If only they’d run.

      Right now the focus of that attention is on Joe Biden. The vice president is wrestling with a decision over whether to enter the 2016 contest for the White House. He wants to be president. His two previous attempts, in 1988 and 2008, went nowhere. Now, after seven years as the loyal vice president, he would like nothing more than to succeed the man who picked him as his running mate, Barack Obama.

      Those calling for his candidacy say his integrity and honesty compare favorably with the party’s front runner, Hillary Clinton. He doesn’t have a closet full of scandals and question marks that she does. If only he would run!

      We forget, of course, why he didn’t win in 1988 or 2008. He wasn’t an especially good candidate. His flubs and gaffes made as many headlines as his policy proposals. He had a tendency to talk for interminable lengths. (The best part of Biden’s speech, the old line went, were the first three hours.)

      …………….

      No Biden is not a good candidate, never was, never will be…..Should his ego win out….he will go down in flames very quickly.

    49. Lu4PUMA
      October 18, 2015 at 6:23 pm
      ———
      A friend of mine now deceased was the Mayor of Juneau Alaska in the 1950s. He served under General Simon Bolivar Bucker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bolivar_Buckner,_Jr.
      who was charged with the defense of Alaska in World War II. The general’s father was a Confederate General from Kentucky during the Civil War, which makes for a fascinating time line.

      My friend, Jim McClean was his name told me a story about Bush that was very revealing. One of his friends was a mayor of Wasilla before Palin. She was a democrat. When she first heard that the party was considering running Bush Jr. she was apoplectic.

      She told them he is unqualified and he is lazy. How did she know? He lived with her when he was sent to Alaska by his dad as sort of a remittance man. This was a landlord tenant relationship. Nothing more.

      She recalled that Bush had a job at the Anchorage Airport, but he was frequently a no show. On several occasions she came home in the late morning or early afternoon. And what did she find? Bush, sprawled out on the living room floor, in sweat gear, watching television, playing hooky from work. seeing him sitting on the floor in sweat gear watching television.

      She begged them to reconsider this altogether improvident proposal. They brushed aside her misgivings and assured her he was a oil man, and that alone was sufficient, so shut the fuck up.

    50. You know, this internet stuff is getting really creepy. I just bought an article of clothing and now every site I visit that has advertising is showing me stuff like what I was looking at. I actually put a sicker on my laptop camera, but the other day realized my smart phone had one too. They say the “authorities” can use our phones to turn on a mic and listen in on our private conversations, even when our phone is shut off.

      The only reason I am not getting rid of my phone is that I do not think they want to hear what I have to say.

    51. Yup, Dubya was asleep on the wheel when 9/11 hit and then milked it as much as he could so that he could take out Saddam Hussein for trying to harm his daddy.

    52. Trump wins again. A few days ago Trump said this:

      http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/256850-trump-i-should-have-secret-service-protection

      Donald Trump on Tuesday said the Secret Service should be giving him protection — and he suggested partisan politics might be why the agency isn’t providing it.

      In a 90-minute interview with The Hill, the Republican presidential front-runner pointed out that he has attracted large crowds just like Barack Obama did eight years ago as a White House candidate and that by this point in the 2008 cycle, the Illinois senator had Secret Service protection.

      Trump doesn’t, and he’s not happy about it.

      “I want to put them on notice because they should have a liability,” he said. “Personally, I think if Obama were doing as well as me he would’ve had Secret Service [earlier]. I have by far the biggest crowds.”

      Now:

      http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/257250-report-trump-carson-to-receive-secret-service-protection

      The Secret Service is extending protection to GOP presidential contenders Donald Trump and Ben Carson, while beefing up Dem front-runner Hillary Clinton’s security, according to a report from Newsmax on Saturday.

      Trump and Carson will receive agents as early as next week, with each candidate being assigned approximately two dozen agents. The report cites a source close to the agency’s planning…

      Political death knell for Bush and Rubio.

    53. It’s not just the 1% anymore:

      http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/18/sanders-would-raise-payroll-taxes-on-everyone-to-fund-paid-family-leave/

      Sanders Would Raise Payroll Taxes on Everyone to Fund Paid Family Leave

      Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said his tax increases would “hit everybody” becuse he would raise the payroll tax to pay for paid family and medical leave.

      Sanders said, “I think if you are looking about guaranteeing paid family and medical leave, which every other major country has so that when a mom gives birth she doesn’t have to go back to work in two weeks. Dad or mom can stay home with the kids. That will require a small increase in the payroll tax.”

      Stephanopoulos said, “That’s going to hit everybody.”

      Sanders agreed saying, “That would hit everybody, yeah, It would but it would mean we were drawing the rest of the industrialized world and make sure that when a mom has a baby she can in fact stay home with that baby for three months rather than go back to work at the end of one week. We are the only country, only major country that doesn’t guarantee paid family and medical leave. We do a lot of great things in this country but we are behind many other countries in protecting the middle class and working families.”

    54. Socialist Workers Party not the Democratic Party of old:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/18/sanders-planning-major-speech-on-democratic-socialism-he-tells-iowa-supporters/

      Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

      IOWA CITY, Iowa — Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Sunday that he is preparing to give a “major speech” on democratic socialism, the political philosophy that is guiding him and his upstart campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

      “I think we have some explaining and work to do,” the Vermont senator told an audience at a house party here in the nation’s first caucus state, acknowledging that the term “democratic socialism” makes some people “very, very nervous.”

      Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats in the Senate, has long identified as a democratic socialist. As a presidential candidate, he has put forward policies that try to create more fairness in a country he says is now rigged to favor the rich — but he has stopped short of calling for classic socialist ideas, like government takeovers of private industries.

      Sanders, for instance, has advocated free tuition at public colleges and universities, a single-payer health-care system, guaranteed family leave for workers and a “massive” federal jobs program to put more people to work and to fix the country’s infrastructure.

      Sanders said his speech on democratic socialism is one of several addresses his campaign is preparing as his race against Hillary Rodham Clinton heads toward the first nominating contests early next year.

      On a two-day swing through Iowa that began Sunday, Sanders also pressed a plan to revamp the way Social Security cost-of-living increases are calculated. [snip]

      Sanders’s swing through Iowa also had some lighter moments. He was asked about actor Larry David’s portrayal of him on Saturday Night Live. David, among other things, suggested the democratic socialist wears only one pair of underwear.

      Sanders assured reporters that he has “an ample supply.”

    55. admin
      October 18, 2015 at 11:15 pm
      It’s not just the 1% anymore:
      ———
      Socialism is not about the 1%.

      Socialism is about burying the middle class, so the lower class can have freebees, and the upper class can say things like the American democracy has never been stronger.

    56. If Sanders is planning those 2 doozies, he can forget about the nomination…….

      raising taxes and rolling our socialism………why doesn’t he go the full hog and declare himself “Dear Leader”

    57. admin
      October 18, 2015 at 8:12 pm
      Political death knell for Bush and Rubio.

      Neither of them gets serious threats because they don’t represent any kind of potential problem to thugs. Think about that! Trump has been getting threats from international drug cartel psychopaths for months and the crazies (who may be associated with them) demanding open borders. Carson stating the obvious that Islam is not compatible with our form of government and legal system which did not thrill the globalists and one world government elites who see them as useful tools to collapse. Even this incompetent and politicized Secret Service knows what happens to agencies who don’t do their job and prevent political assassinations or even attempts. The American public is not going to put up with this. Realizing that being on the shit list of a President Trump or VP Carson and having a serious hard ass appointed as their director is becoming all too real. Self preservation is going to be popping up all over DC as Obama’s reign peters out like a gaseous fart. These clowns didn’t decide this out of the goodness of their hearts. Ass covering 101.

    58. Trey’s back and he is looking strong on yesterday’s Face The Nation.
      Rep. Gowdy: GOP colleagues not on Benghazi committee should “shut up”

    59. With all the broohaha about Hillary’s private email and supposedly classified emails on it, it would seem that in the spirit of national security…ALL… both Dems and Reps in Congress, the Cabinet, CIA, FBI should be checked. Is Hillary the only one who has had a private email both in this administration and also in George Bush’s?

    60. I think we are all just waiting to see when Joe makes the big announcement and his rationale for screwing Hillary over.

    61. Nial is one of the guys I rely on.

      A 200 IQ and no particular interest in being politically correct, which is a loser game.

    62. Trey is fucked if this is accurate and i’ve seen it from a few sources today, maybe this why Hillary has been so confident.

      http://samuel-warde.com/2015/10/cia-trey-gowdy-altered-documents-to-frame-hillary-clinton/

      In a bombshell revelation, the Central Intelligence Agency reached out to Democrats serving on the Select Committee on Benghazi on Saturday to confirm that Chairman Trey Gowdy had altered documents provided to the committee by Hillary Clinton.

      Monday, October 5, 2015, all five Democratic Members of the Select Committee on Benghazi sent a letter informing House Select Committee on Benghazi Chairman Trey Gowdy (F-SC) that they planned to begin releasing witness interview transcripts, starting with the interview of former State Department Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, in order to correct the public record after numerous inaccurate Republican leaks.

      “Despite claims that the Committee would be run with integrity, Republicans have engaged in a series of selective leaks of inaccurate and incomplete information in an effort to attack Secretary Clinton with unsubstantiated or previously debunked allegations,” the Democrats wrote.

      On October 7, 2015, Gowdy sent a response to ranking minority member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), stating that he was “disheartened at the nature and tone of Monday’s letter from your Democrat colleagues and you.”

      In the letter, Gowdy referred extensively to Sidney Blumenthal, a long-time confidante and adviser to the Clintons, who served as assistant and senior adviser to Bill Clinton from August 1997 until January 2001.

      In addition to Sidney Blumenthal’s business interests, Secretary Clinton also apparently received classified information from Blumenthal- information she should have known was classified at the time she received it. In one email, Blumenthal writes “Tyler spoke to a colleague currently at CIA, who told him the agency had been dependent for intelligence from [redacted due to sources and methods].”1 This information, the name of a human source, is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but also human lives. Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded the email to a colleague–debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address.1 There may be other instances as well where Secretary Clinton passed on classified information she received from Sidney Blumenthal. [emphasis added]

      However, as Newsweek reported on Sunday, the CIA informed the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Saturday that Gowdy’s claims were false:

      Indeed, according to committee correspondence reviewed by Newsweek, the CIA did tell the panel on Saturday that it had reviewed 127 emails between Clinton and her close friend and outside adviser, Sidney Blumenthal, and none of it was deemed classified.

      “The CIA reviewed the material in question and informed State that it required no redactions,” the agency informed Susan Sachsman Grooms, staff director and general counsel for the panel’s Democrats, on October 17.
      On Sunday, Cummings sent a letter to Gowdy to correct the public record in light of the fact that the CIA had debunked Chairman Gowdy’s accusations.

      Cummings began, writing that: “On October 7, 2015, you sent me a 13-page letter making a grave new accusation against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Specifically, you accused her of compromising national security and endangering lives,” adding that, “The problem with your accusation—as with so many others during this investigation—is that you failed to check your facts before you made it, and the CIA has now informed the Select Committee that you were wrong. I believe your accusations were irresponsible, and I believe you owe the Secretary an immediate apology.”

      Cummings went on to accuse Gowdy of making the false claims against Clinton in an attempt to diffuse controversy surround Republican Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s admission that the purpose of the Benghazi hearings was to discredit Clinton.

      It appears that your letter was rushed out to the press to counter the public firestorm caused by Republican Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s stark admission that Republicans are using millions of taxpayer dollars to damage Secretary Clinton’s bid for president. However, your letter only provided further evidence of this fact.
      Speaking directly to Gowdy’s accusations against Clinton, Cummings wrote:

      In your letter on October 7, 2015, you stated that Secretary Clinton received an email from Sidney Blumenthal on March 18, 2011, that included the name of someone who purportedly provided information to the CIA. You asserted that this information was classified, arguing that Secretary Clinton “received classified information from Blumenthal—information she should have known was classified at the time she received it.” You then alleged:

      Armed with that information, Secretary Clinton forwarded that email to a colleague—debunking her claim that she never sent any classified information from her private email address.

      In your letter, you went to great lengths to highlight the gravity of your accusation, stating:

      This information, the name of a human source, is some of the most protected information in our intelligence community, the release of which could jeopardize not only national security but human lives.

      Cummings then dropped the bomb – accusing Gowdy of altering documents in an effort to frame Clinton:

      To further inflate your claim, you placed your own redactions over the name of the individual with the words, “redacted due to sources and methods.” To be clear, these redactions were not made, and these words were not added, by any agency of the federal government responsible for enforcing classification guidelines.
      Cummings continued, emphasizing the fact that the CIA had thoroughly debunked Gowdy’s false claims against Clinton:

      Contrary to your claims, the CIA yesterday informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified. Specifically, the CIA confirmed that “the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.”
      Unfortunately, you sent your letter on October 7 without checking first with the CIA. Now that we have done so, we have learned that your accusations were incorrect.
      Cummings concluded his letter, writing that Gowdy’s actions have “brought discredit” on the Benghazi investigation and has “undermine[d] the integrity” of the committee and the House of Representatives itself:

      Unfortunately, the standard operating procedure of this Select Committee has become to put out information publicly that is inaccurate and out of context in order to attack Secretary Clinton for political reasons. These repeated actions bring discredit on this investigation and undermine the integrity of the Select Committee and the House of Representatives.

      ………..

      Oh my…shit meet fan….Maybe Trey beeter line up a good attorney….

    63. Trey feeling some heat…..

      http://www.newrepublic.com/article/123155/benghazi-witch-hunt-against-hillary-backfiring-bills-impeachment

      The Benghazi Witch-Hunt Against Hillary Is Backfiring Just Like Bill Clinton’s Impeachment

      The House Select Committee on Benghazi has had glaring credibility problems from its inception. Even if you ignore the thicket of conservative Benghazi conspiracy theories Republicans spent years fueling, their interest in this one tragedy, plucked from a vast expanse of U.S. foreign policy tragedies over a decade, would have aroused suspicion that it was selected for its potential to damage the most powerful Democrat in the country (Barack Obama) and his presumptive heir (Hillary Clinton).

      When the committee began to drift from its nominal investigative purpose—the 2012 attack on a U.S. outpost in Benghazi, Libya, in which Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens was killed—and focus on unrelated aspects of Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state from 2009-2013, it invited comparisons to the GOP-led fishing expeditions of the 1990s, which culminated in the partisan impeachment of President Bill Clinton, and discredited his leading critics.

      The comparison became inescapable this weekend, when the top Democrat on the Benghazi committee revealed that its Republican chairman, Trey Gowdy, had fabricated a redaction to Clinton’s emails to make it look like she’d endangered a spy, and the CIA had busted her. Gowdy even mimicked intelligence community vernacular, designating the redaction as undertaken to protect “sources and methods,” without disclosing that he was the redactor or that the CIA had cleared the name he redacted for release.

      This flagrant misconduct has barely pierced the consciousness of the political scribes who have treated every selective Benghazi leak with as much credulity and legitimacy as lower-fanfare congressional investigations, even after their media peers have been burned—repeatedly—by intentionally deceptive leaks. Conservatives, too, are ignoring or brushing off the impropriety. But Benghazi committee errors are piling up so rapidly, and timed so impeccably for Hillary Clinton’s public testimony before the committee this Thursday, that it seems for once like Republicans might tamp down on the Hillary misdirection of their own volition, much as they did in the 1990s when a similarly unfocused obsession with the Clintons damaged their party.

      Back in 1998, House Republican leaders had to dial back an investigation into the Clintons’ campaign finance practices after then-oversight committee chairman Dan Burton tried to hoodwink the press with heavily edited transcripts meant to implicate Hillary. That botched operation forced Burton to fire his top aide David Bossie, who went on to become president of Citizens United, and prompted an angry backlash from Speaker Newt Gingrich on behalf of an embarrassed Republican conference.

      The recent blows to the Benghazi committee’s self-styled credibility are at least as severe, beginning with House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s admission that Republicans empaneled it to damage Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy, running through well-substantiated allegations that Republicans have been using committee resources to investigate Clinton at the expense of the actual attacks on the U.S. facility in Libya.

      In the nearly two decades since the last Clinton investigations went nowhere, social media has made it easier for events like congressional hearings to become defined by key moments, rather than by overall substance, and if Republicans are able to embarrass Hillary on Thursday once or twice, the dividends will dwarf any reputational damage the committee has suffered. Ever since Watergate, Republicans have been consumed with the certainty that a similar scandal will one day befall Democrats, and have gone to great lengths to make it so. But when their inquiries run aground, or devolve into partisan witch hunting, they eventually relent, and allow the investigations to fizzle out. The Benghazi committee is flirting with the same fate.

      …………

      This is blowing up in their faces…….

    64. The CIA like the IRS, Military, Media, 99.9% politician’s are all corrupt.
      No one wants the truth..but the American people.

    65. FOX News is saying or hinting that Biden will enter the race

      http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/19/foxs-white-house-correspondent-biden-is-getting-in-the-race-this-week/

      I want Hillary to win the nomination and the election. If for some reason Hillary is denied the nomination, then I want the GOP candidate to win the election.

      Obama has ruined the Democratic Party. It is time for his stewardship of the party to end.

      Hopefully it will be the Clintons, and Hillary’s nomination, that ends that Obama party stewardship.

    66. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/10/19/what-happened-to-president-obamas-executive-actions-on-immigration-nothing-and-thats-the-problem-some-say/

      What ever happened to Obama’s sweeping executive actions on immigration?

      Nearly a year ago, President Obama announced a sweeping plan to shield millions of illegal immigrants from deportation, arguing that a mass exodus of undocumented migrants “would be both impossible and contrary to our character.” [snip]

      Yet Obama’s plan has gone — and may be going — nowhere. That’s because it remains in legal limbo, sitting in a New Orleans federal appeals court that heard arguments in July but has yet to issue a decision.

      The three-month wait doesn’t sit well with immigrant advocates, who last week launched a nine-day fast and vigil outside the federal courthouse, where three judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit are debating the program’s fate. [snip]

      Erin F. Delaney, an associate professor of law and political science at Northwestern University, said the delay is not unusual, given the complicated legal issues at stake. “I understand why everyone is upset,” said Delaney, a former U.S. Supreme Court clerk. “But three months, over the summer, with a case of this complexity, doesn’t seem out of the norm at all.” [snip]

      But after Texas and 25 other states sued the administration, calling the moves unconstitutional, a federal judge in Texas in February put them on hold until the case is resolved. The 5th Circuit in May upheld that injunction, then held oral arguments in July on the substance of the case, with hundreds of immigration advocates rallying outside. [snip]

      Legal experts have long said that the court battle could last late into Obama’s term, especially if it winds up at the Supreme Court. And the window for the high court to hear the case during its current term is starting to close: the court generally must accept a case by January to hold oral arguments and reach a decision before it adjourns in June.

      A case accepted after January would like be held over for the term that begins in October 2016, pushing the highly charged issue into the next administration.

    67. Good God, do they want to know the exact time and place she went to the toilet too and whether it was a 1 or a 2…….

      http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/10/citizens-united-hillary-clinton-schedules-214936#ixzz3p3Qd7OYy

      A conservative group filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit Monday demanding a full set of Hillary Clinton’s schedules as secretary of state.
      Citizens United sought the information from the State Department in March of this year. State agreed to “expedite” its handling of the request, but the group says it has yet to receive a response.
      “When Citizens United filed this FOIA request back in March 2015, we didn’t anticipate subject matter as straight forward as Secretary Clinton’s schedule would take seven months and counting to produce,” Citizens United President David Bossie said Monday.
      “We were encouraged when the State Department granted Citizens United expedited processing for this FOIA based on our status as a media entity. Unfortunately, this did nothing different to move the process forward in a more timely manner,” Bossie said. “The bottom line continues to be, you will likely not receive any public documents from the State Department unless you file a federal lawsuit and that’s what we’ve done today.”
      Hundreds of scheduling-related documents including some of Clinton’s daily schedules have been released through monthly, court-ordered disclosures of messages from the private email account she used for most of her four years as secretary of state.

      ……………………….

      They are soooooo desperate.

    68. The whole “Lets get Hillary” thing is really starting to look bad for the GOP….its like loony hatred on a massive scale and its shining right through to the public who are now seeing this for what it is…..blind utter hatred of one poor woman.

    69. There is no doubt in my mind that the Hillary Haters are over the top. They were in ’08 and they are at it again. I think part of it is that the Clinton are not so much the insiders and members of the elite club as some would think. I mean, Bill got “the treatment” with that stupid shit over his blow job. But I also think a lot of it with Hillary is plan woman hating. Misogyny, a fear and hatred of women.

      I like reading the posts over on Zerohedge. The guy claims to be Libertarian. But his attacks on Hillary are so over the top, that it makes me think twice about his credibility. I mean he criticizes BO but there is nothing like the viciousness of his Hillary attacks. The whole Benghazi thing is characteristic. The POTUS, Commander in Chief gets a pass and the SOS is eviscerated? WTF???

    70. Greta just said talking about Benghazi, she wants to know where Obama was that night and what Hillary’s interactions were with him that night.

    71. Because the 1% he’s scoring is working out so well………

      http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/jim-webb-democrats-independent-214929

      Jim Webb, the longshot Democratic presidential candidate, may run as an independent, his campaign said in an email to reporters on Monday evening.
      The former Virginia senator, who complained last week about not having enough talking time on the stage during the first Democratic debate in Las Vegas, will hold a press conference in Washington on Tuesday to discuss his options.
      Story Continued Below
      During the debate, Webb alluded to his decision to run as a Democrat, suggesting it had been a topic of consideration. He has been to the right of the other candidates on most domestic policy issues.

      ……………………….

      These guys really do think highly of themselves.

    72. anybody else think Biden is timing his announcement around Hillarys Bengazi hearing…. do as We say or I announce I’m running.

    73. They will go after the lapse of security and that cable from the ambassador Hillary says she didn’t get. They will not ask inconvenient questions like where was Obama that night and what was he doing. Whatever happened to the question about who gave the orders for stand down? They should bring Panetta to the hearing.

    74. moononpluto
      October 19, 2015 at 5:00 pm
      Trey feeling some heat…..

      Good reporting Moon, and I’m glad this is coming to light before Hillary’s testimony on Thursday, not after.

      Let’s see where this leads the committee, and I hope Hillary is completely cleared.

    75. pm317
      October 19, 2015 at 7:26 pm
      Greta just said talking about Benghazi, she wants to know where Obama was that night and what Hillary’s interactions were with him that night.

      ———–
      Hell yes Greta, keep saying it until it gets answered.

    76. jtjames
      October 19, 2015 at 9:23 pm
      hillary up 10 Joe biden down 6

      ————

      I just saw an article today on Politico, saying Hillary got no bump from the debate.

      Never trust the polls…

    77. Interesting poll numbers at VOX (below). Also, a good case against a Biden run at DailyBeast.
      *******************************************

      “NBC News/SurveyMonkey, the Huffington Post/YouGov, and Gravis/One America News have all released polls finding that Clinton won the debate by huge margins among Democratic voters who watched it:”

      [….]
      http://www.vox.com/2015/10/16/9553489/hillary-clinton-debate-won

      and

      “Biden 2016: A Bad Idea Gets Worse”
      (10/19/15)

      “Everyone seems to think he’s running. No one has any idea why he would.

      Gossip started flying over the weekend that Joe Biden is about to say something. On Monday, CNBC tweeted: ‘Joe Biden to announce whether he is running for president in 2016 or not in the next 48 hours, sources tell @NBCNews.’

      So there we are. The big moment is nigh. Generally speaking, insiders think he’s getting in. The folks in Clintonland certainly seem to think he’s getting in.

      I don’t, however, know a single person I’m aware of who wants Biden to get in. And I’ve been asking. Journalists, activist types, policy wonks, political operatives—among them, the consensus is that he let all this dangle a little too long and that he doesn’t really bring anything to the table that isn’t already on offer from the existing candidates.

      A Biden candidacy was always a bad idea, in part for reasons I wrote about back in early August: no real rationale, no major policy differences with Hillary Clinton, he’ll just end up attacking her trustworthiness if he wants to get anywhere.

      In the 10 weeks that have passed since I wrote that column, it’s only become a worse idea.”

      [….]
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/voxbox/michael-tomasky.html

    78. My comments are in moderation…perhaps cause I’ve included links to two articles. Oh well….

      Check out, “Biden 2016: A Bad Idea Gets Worse” at DailyBeast.

    79. State agreed to “expedite” its handling of the request, but the group says it has yet to receive a response

      If Hillary is truly clear of all wrong doing, it’s to her advantage to get all this out and taken care of. Is the State Dept. against her and dragging things out? What’s going on?

    80. I don’t think Hillary is going to tell any truths about Obama, especially about what he was doing (probably drugged up and watching ESPN) – she’s so party over country, that she’s willing to go through all this rather than tell the truth about a fellow democrat who is dangerous as our president. She supports everything he does.

      I can’t get over her lying to that dad. I get it, she felt she had to go along with Obama and the video story – but she did NOT have to lie to that grieving father’s face. She could have just said we’re going to get to the bottom of what happened, and I’m so sorry for your grief.

      I think it’s partly her agreement with Obama on so many things, and partly her belief in party over country. We chose country over party to support her against the party’s cheating her of the nomination – but she chooses Obama over country. Apparently she’s just more interested in her aspirations than she is in what’s best for the country. It’s so sad.

      I guess I just can’t understand people so excited that part of the Benghazi investigation is purely political. It doesn’t mean she is innocent of everything. And if she wins, she’s still someone who supports amnesty, TPP, the Iran deal, etc. Country over party was an awakening for me, but it seems like it was a temporary phase for some, and now it’s person over country because she’s running again.

      I still have my two framed Hillary posters on the wall, and if anyone sees me on a wordpress blog, you’ll see I still have the same Hillary icon I’ve always had. But I don’t understand how to reconcile the 2008 Hillary with the 2016 Hillary, how to support someone who seemingly has Patty Hearst syndrome and who supports things I don’t support? How is it a “win” if she’s not the person she was in 2008? How is it a “win” if she wants to be more of the same but worse (an Obama III on steroids)? I just don’t know how to reconcile that. Right now, she just seems part of the system we’ve had too much of, just a politician.

    81. I’m telling you now, Biden , if he does get railroaded into this, will go down in flames, he is stupid if he thinks otherwise……..

      He has always been a god damn awful candidate, that is not going to change….he is also in a $60 million dollar hole money wise that the other 2 have ahead of him and he is not going to raise that anytime fast. Campaign filings begin now, Georgia needs to be done now and he may well miss the deadline on that.

      He has no campaign staff or operation to start with, that should have been done months ago, you don’t just suddenly get campaign staff.

      Not to mention, the lefties will knife him as a spoiler to Sanders, Clintonites will knife him, Joe Biden’s mouth will hang himself.

      Besides, I’ve said this before, its ok flirting with the idea but once he becomes a candidate, they will hang Obama’s 8 years around his neck,he has been a major architect of it all. He will have to explain every policy of it and then some. In fact Hillary can hang Obama’s term round his neck and leave Obama out of it.

      He also looks like a spoiler, no candidate entering late has won the nomination…NONE.

      Does he really want to end his career like this, pull a Cheney and fuck off Joe.

    82. moononpluto October 20, 2015 at 4:57 am “will go down in flames, he is stupid”
      ————————
      Taking the above thought out of context to put a fine point on moon’s whole message.

      Just on TV a clip of him late for a political/donor? meeting, he began with a line he must have thought was comedy: Hi I’m the late joe/Mr? Biden.

      That erased any image I had of the grieving father.

    83. Yup, thats Biden for you….his mouth writes checks the rest of him can’t.

      That reminds you of how bad this guy is as a candidate, there is a reason he got 1% in 2008……..go figure.

    84. I know Biden won’t be able to win on his own. But if Obama wants him there, dead people start voting for him. Then what?

    85. Biden would need more than dead people….he’d need Jesus to come down from heaven himself and declare his support…….

      Biden needs a huge rise in polling.
      He needs money…..
      He needs hiring…..
      He needs a clear reason as to how he would be different…..

      He needs the perfect storm…..its a tall order.

      Not going to Happen……..

    86. I guess we all know the reason why Hillary declared so early now was to flush out what the GOP and Obama attacks were…..She has needed this time to get all the pus out and clean the wounds before Iowa came round……

      If Biden really wanted this, he should have declared months ago…this just looks egotistical dithering right now…..

    87. Webbs GONE……

      Jim Webb to drop out of Democratic race

      http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/webb-dropping-out-214952#ixzz3p7HjuGkG

      Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb will announce Tuesday that he will drop his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.
      In an email to reporters on Monday evening, Webb’s campaign said that he was considering running as an independent. Webb will hold a press conference later Tuesday in Washington to detail his plans.
      Story Continued Below
      News of Webb’s decision was first reported by Fox News. According to Fox, Webb is not planning to announce an independent bid on Tuesday, but is “expected to take some time after his announcement to talk with people from across the political spectrum before making a decision.”

      ………………………

      and Chaffee is still there…..oh man.

    88. Ol’ Joe really is the court’s jester.

      Is he, isn’t he…………this is all Joe ever does, create a buzz out of wet toilet paper.

      He is the perfect pawn for Ooboa…two idiots pretending to be powerful and intelligent.

      I almost hope the Jester tosses his hat in the ring, it would be like watching a train wreck in slow-mo.

    89. 2 new polls out today…..Clinton accelerating, Biden falling….

      2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination NBC/WSJ
      Clinton 49, Sanders 29, Biden 15, Webb 2, O’Malley 1, Chafee 0
      Clinton +20

      2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination ABC/Wash Post
      Clinton 54, Sanders 23, Biden 16, Webb 1, O’Malley 1, Chafee 0
      Clinton +31

      Yeah she’s still losing, right……….rolls eyes.

    90. So all this salivating and pushing and gnashing of teeth for Biden to get in and all he can manage is to poll 15% after all that shit………

      I’d give it up man……..just don’t go there.

    91. Lorac…exactly! Couldn’t have said it any better Her views are Obama views, maybe in steroids.People who think she’s just saying things to get elected are probably fooling themselves.Fool me once, but don’t fool me twice…

    92. Yeah Shadow and Chaffee is still hanging in…….i think he just wants someone to love him really or give him a hug but his career is finished, he just looks like a total dick now.

    93. I have always liked and respected Webb. He would make a good running mate for Hillary. Bring her back to center.

    94. You see this is Biden through and through….an out and out liar and fabricator.

      Joe Biden Now Claims He Privately Supported Bin Laden Raid, Years After Saying He Opposed it

      As he inches closer to deciding whether he’ll enter the 2016 race, Vice President Joe Biden provided new details today on the deliberations over the Osama bin Laden raid, seemingly revising his position on one of the most important decisions of the Obama administration.

      Speaking at a forum honoring former Vice President Walter Mondale, Biden said he privately advised the president to go forward with the 2011 raid, a decision he previously has said he opposed.

      During the forum, Biden recounted the national security meeting the president held to decide whether to conduct the raid.

      In that meeting, Biden had suggested more surveillance was needed before a raid was launched, but today Biden said he told the president privately that he supported the raid after the meeting concluded.

      http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joe-biden-claims-privately-supported-bin-laden-raid/story?id=34598670

      ………….

      Didn’t take long for gaff-o-matic to kick in……..

    95. Webbs presser is a bore-a-minute.

      No wonder he polled so low, he really is 2 sandwiches short of a picnic.

    96. [Trey]

      He was forced to quell a firestorm after Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) suggested in recent interviews that the Benghazi panel was created with an eye toward undermining Clinton’s presidential bid.

      ”Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable,” McCarthy told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping.”

      And last week, Rep. Richard L. Hanna (R-N.Y.) told a radio talk show host that “there is a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people — an individual, Hillary Clinton.”

      In a Sunday interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Gowdy lashed out — and not only at his Democratic critics: “I have told my own Republican colleagues and friends, shut up talking about things that you don’t know anything about. And unless you’re on the committee, you have no idea what we have done, why we have done it and what new facts we have found.”

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gowdys-pleas-to-keep-benghazi-probe-above-politics-have-gone-unheeded/2015/10/19/23f31428-7668-11e5-b9c1-f03c48c96ac2_story.html

    97. PPP: Clinton regains lead in New Hampshire

      Clinton reclaims NH lead; Trump still up big

      PPP’s new New Hampshire Democratic poll finds that Hillary Clinton’s moved back into the lead in the state. She gets 41% to 33% for Bernie Sanders with Joe Biden at only 11%, Martin O’Malley at 4%, and Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb each at 2%. Since PPP last polled New Hampshire in August Clinton’s gone up 6 points from her then 35% standing, while Sanders has dropped 9 points from his then 42% standing.

      Clinton’s rise comes as her image with Democratic voters in the state has improved by a good amount. Her favorability (+56 at 73/17) has improved a net 18 points from August when she was at +38 (63/25) with primary voters. The key for her is that she has narrowed things up among Sanders’ core groups of supporters. With ‘very liberal’ voters Sanders leads her only 43/42, with men Sanders leads her only 35/34, and with younger voters Sanders is ahead 42/34. Meanwhile Clinton remains dominant with the groups most friendly to her- she’s up 50/24 with seniors, 47/31 with women, and leads by at least 8 points with every ideological group besides ‘very liberal’ voters.

    98. Webb: “As of today, I am not involved in the Democratic Party’s primary process.”

      Were you ever really……lets be honest her Jimbob.

    99. Waiting Game
      by Richard Fernandez

      The most interesting thing about Henry Kissinger’s analysis and rescue plan for American foreign policy, A Path Out of the Middle East Collapse, is the how little hope and optimism it excited. Few appear to regard the article’s recommendations as feasible, and it has been received with the passivity air of a beaten boxer hoping only for a rematch.

      This fatalism is especially depressing in the light of Kissinger’s diagnosis that Obama has basically unwound every foreign policy achievement of the last 40 years. His considered belief that an outside chance of survival of the American position is still possible have struck not a spark. The atmosphere is as funereal as the locker room of a team down 40 points at halftime after the failed pep talk of a former winning coach that has only served to remind the players of what an invidious contrast there is to their present one.

      The debate about whether the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran regarding its nuclear program stabilized the Middle East’s strategic framework had barely begun when the region’s geopolitical framework collapsed. Russia’s unilateral military action in Syria is the latest symptom of the disintegration of the American role in stabilizing the Middle East order that emerged from the Arab-Israeli war of 1973.

      In the aftermath of that conflict, Egypt abandoned its military ties with the Soviet Union and joined an American-backed negotiating process that produced peace treaties between Israel and Egypt, and Israel and Jordan, a United Nations-supervised disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria, which has been observed for over four decades (even by the parties of the Syrian civil war), and international support of Lebanon’s sovereign territorial integrity. Later, Saddam Hussein’s war to incorporate Kuwait into Iraq was defeated by an international coalition under U.S. leadership. American forces led the war against terror in Iraq and Afghanistan. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States were our allies in all these efforts. The Russian military presence disappeared from the region.

      That geopolitical pattern is now in shambles. Four states in the region have ceased to function as sovereign. Libya, Yemen, Syria and Iraq have become targets for nonstate movements seeking to impose their rule. Over large swaths in Iraq and Syria, an ideologically radical religious army has declared itself the Islamic State (also called ISIS or ISIL) as an unrelenting foe of established world order. It seeks to replace the international system’s multiplicity of states with a caliphate, a single Islamic empire governed by Shariah law.

      Kissinger noted that Obama has achieved something truly remarkable. “The U.S. is now opposed to, or at odds in some way or another with, all parties in the region”. That is actually the good news. The bad news is that unless the administration turns things around it will become much worse. “As competing regional powers strive for comparable threshold capacity, the nonproliferation regime in the Middle East may crumble. If nuclear weapons become established, a catastrophic outcome is nearly inevitable.”

      A glimpse out of that deep hole alone should ignite a kind of desperate enthusiasm. Instead of which the idea of ‘nearly inevitable’ is driving people to hunker down hoping survive, on the chance that luck may change by and by. What other course is left to America’s hapless Syrian rebels, now reeling and taking heavy casualties under Russian air attack? The president, who has singularly failed to draw a Red Line around his enemies, has actually drawn one around himself, as Ken Dilanian of the AP reports in “US draws a line on protecting CIA-backed rebels in Syria”.

      WASHINGTON (AP) — The Russian military intervention to prop up Syria’s government has brought new scrutiny of the CIA’s secret support to Syrian rebels fighting Bashar Assad. But how far is the U.S. willing to go to empower its proxies to take on Vladimir Putin’s allies?

      The answer seems to be: Not very far. …

      U.S. officials and outside experts say the Obama administration is unlikely to protect CIA-backed rebels from Russian air strikes — by providing them with surface-to-air missiles, for example — for fear they could fall into the wrong hands and be used against passenger jets in a terrorist attack. There is also little appetite in the White House for a U.S.-enforced no-fly zone in Syria, officials say.

      And just to make sure everybody understands policy CNN says “U.S. pilots told not to react to aggressive Russian jets in Syria” With leadership like that it’s probably best not to get too excited about any recovery of US stature.

      For the moment it’s a waiting game — at least until January, 2017. The New York Times says, “the Army general in charge of the Pentagon’s failed $500 million program to train and equip Syrian rebels is leaving his job in the next few weeks, but is likely to be promoted and assigned a senior counterterrorism position here, American officials said on Monday.” Bloomberg adds:

      Nagata was not only the head of the Syrian program, which Congress voted to finance last September to the tune of $500 million at Obama’s request, but the face of it as well. He was the one who explained it Congress, foreign governments and the Syrian opposition. Congressional leaders were shocked to learn of his exit.

      “I don’t recall a time when a mission was entrusted to a senior officer, that that officer didn’t see that mission through to completion. We need to know why this change is taking place,” Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain told me Tuesday. “Whoever is replacing him will take time to get up to speed on a process that has already been significantly delayed.”…

      For many in Congress, the general’s departure is one more sign that the administration is not serious about a program it lobbied so hard for only a few months ago. “The immediate loss is that Nagata commands a tremendous amount of respect on the Hill, within the government, and with the Syrians,” said Andrew Tabler, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “It’s hard to have someone leaving when this is just getting off the ground.”

      Tabler also pointed out that Nagata the latest in a string of senior U.S. military and diplomatic officials working on Syria to leave the government recently. These include Daniel Rubinstein, the State Department’s special envoy for Syria, who will soon be appointed the next ambassador to Tunisia. “They just don’t see the president doing much, so people tend to do that in a bureaucracy, they abandon ship,” Tabler said.

      Lots of people have got better things to do than run their heads against a brick wall. Kissinger’s advice is useless because there’s no one at the White House to take it. As Michael Crowley noted in Politico the staff is outvoted by the surpassingly brilliant incumbent. ”Vladimir Putin’s intervention in Syria is creating new rifts inside an exhausted and in some cases demoralized Obama national security team.”

      Sources familiar with administration deliberations said that Obama’s West Wing inner circle serves as a brick wall against dissenting views. …

      Obama’s refusal to take firmer action against Moscow has increasingly isolated several of his administration’s Russia specialists, who almost uniformly take a harder line toward Putin than does the president himself. They include Victoria Nuland, assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs; Celeste Wallander, the National Security Council’s senior director for Russia and Eurasia; and Evelyn Farkas, deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia. Farkas’ recent announcement that she will exit the Obama administration this fall raised eyebrows among officials aware of her frustration that Obama hasn’t responded more forcefully to Putin’s annexation of Crimea and his support for pro-Russian separatists in the country’s east. …

      Obama did face a public challenge in the form of an interview on CBS’ “60 Minutes” that aired Sunday, in which the president grew visibly annoyed as interviewer Steve Kroft pressed him on the modest results of his campaign against the Islamic State and on whether Putin was successfully “challenging your leadership.”

      Standing his ground, Obama repeated his argument that it would be a mistake to overreact to Putin, who he says is acting out of weakness, and that the Syria morass defies the kind of “silver bullet” solution sought by his critics.

      American strategy, as formulated by president Obama, is as fixed as a pair of feet in concrete buckets. The most depressing thing about Dr. Kissinger’s pep talk is it assumes that the taxi’s going somewhere else besides the East River.

    100. wbboei

      October 20, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      Waiting Game
      by Richard Fernandez

      This fatalism is especially depressing in the light of Kissinger’s diagnosis that Obama has basically unwound every foreign policy achievement of the last 40 years.
      _____________________________________________

      This is PRECISELY the analysis I gave when all this ridiculous celebration of “Arab Spring” was ongoing. Obama has managed to WASTE all the foreign policy advantages our Nation, indeed Western Civilization, had gained in the ME over the past 50 years. The only question was whether the chaos was intentional or the result of hopium induced delusion.

    101. If there was ever proof of how a Biden campaign would go….look at today, not even running and he fucked up multiple times…..

      http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-2016-stumbles-josh-earnest-214977

      For a politician who projects authenticity, Vice President Joe Biden seemed to stumble around the truth on Tuesday.
      It wasn’t just that he contradicted his previous accounts of the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, claiming for the first time that he did indeed recommend that President Barack Obama go forward with the operation. It was also that he claimed to have veto power over nominations and to speak for the president with more authority than other top officials.
      Story Continued Below
      Since Biden hasn’t decided whether to run for president, but is facing campaign-level scrutiny, it was up to Obama’s press secretary, Josh Earnest, to handle fact-checking questions about some of Biden’s other revelations.
      151020_osama_sit_room_gty_1160.jpg
      Biden says he backed bin Laden raid all along
      By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE
      “I am not aware of the kinds of conversations that then-Sen. Obama had with then-Sen. Biden had about him coming on board as the running mate. I don’t have any information about that,” Earnest said.
      Does Biden, as he also claimed at an event to honor Walter Mondale on Tuesday, really have veto power over Obama’s cabinet nominations?
      “You’ll have to take it up with one of the two of them if they’re willing to talk about it publicly.”
      There was also Biden’s boast about speaking for the president on foreign trips.
      “We’ve had two great secretaries of state, but when I go, they know that I am speaking for the president,” Biden said.
      It’s true that Biden is often called on to speak to foreign leaders in the president’s stead, both at home and abroad. But reporters pressed Earnest on whether Biden’s voice was somehow more powerful than other top Cabinet officials.
      “They’re receiving him because the president has asked him to go,” Earnest said. “I think the same thing could be said about the secretary of state or any other senior U.S. official that represents the U.S. government.” Earnest did note that the significance of a vice presidential visit was Biden’s “close, personal relationship” with Obama.

      read on…….he’s a total gum flapping bozo…..

    102. Poor Joe, all those times Obozo was off doing God knows what and someone important came a knockin’…only to find out that Barry was stood them up…and Ol’ Joe had to fill in the gap.

      Gap gaffs, gap gaffs galore.

    103. Interesting read……

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/20/the-math-is-clear-hillary-clinton-has-better-odds-of-becoming-president-than-anybody-else-by-far/

      Hillary Rodham Clinton had a brutal summer-long news cycle that has bled into fall. She has lost ground to Bernie Sanders in Democratic primary polls, and she may draw a new and formidable challenger, Vice President Biden, in the coming days.

      Despite all that, she’s still the candidate you’d bet on at even odds to be the next president, no matter what your personal views. It’s not even a close call.

      If you had to bet $100 on any single person to win the 2016 general election — to win $100 if you guess correctly — every rational gambler would chose Clinton. According to online betting markets, she remains the overwhelming favorite to win the nomination of the Democratic Party, which is the party that is favored to win the general election. There is no clear favorite in the very crowded field for the Republican nomination. As such, bettors see Clinton as more than four times as likely to be the next president as her closest rival, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

      The real question about your presidential bet right now isn’t whether you’d take Clinton above anyone else. It’s whether you’d take her over everyone else combined.

      If you had that $100 again and one of two choices, which would you choose? Clinton wins? Or, “the field” — any other American except Clinton — wins?

      A quick read of the odds rounded up by PredictWise suggest you should take the field, barely. They give Clinton a 47 percent chance, as of the afternoon of Oct. 19, of winning the 2016 general election.

      ……………….

      Its like I said no one else comes close.

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