Death-throes: #Hillary2016 Finally Joins @RealDonaldTrump Against TPP ObamaTrade Because of #BernieSanders And #DraftBiden

It’s the right decision. But so badly executed it is more of an execution.

Hillary Clinton today declared she is against ObamaTrade.



It is almost as if top level insiders at Hillary2016 plot to destroy Hillary and Hillary2016. Bottom line: Hillary’s late, week before the debate move, won’t help her with the Bernie Sanders’ kooks, hurts her with the Biden “centrist” crowd, and the timing aids Barack Obama’s eventually knife in the back treachery against her.

We’ve repeatedly expressed our suspicions that the Obama henchmen Hillary has employed for her campaign are out to protect and help Obama at the expense of Hillary’s fortunes. At first glance it would appear that Hillary declaring herself against ObamaTrade runs counter to our doubts about the Obama lovers in Hillary’s campaign. But today’s clumsy declaration, so badly timed it screams “scaredy cat inauthenticity” in sirens, fortifies our thesis.

Think about it. For months we heard mush from Hillary2016 on ObamaTrade. Bernie Sanders attacked TPP/ObamaTrade and fast track authority. Donald Trump attacked ObamaTrade and fast track authority. Elizabeth Warren, Kween of the Kooks, attacked ObamaTrade and fast track authority. From Hillary there was mush on ObamaTrade and mush on fast track authority.

Month after month Hillary Clinton could have joined in and attacked ObamaTrade. But from Hillary Clinton there was only the Cavern of Silence. Imagine the strength of the coalition against ObamaTrade and fast track authority if Hillary Clinton joined in. Hillary Clinton arm in arm with Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Kook Kween Elizabeth Warren, and many writers/leaders on the left and the right would have been a powerful gravitational force more than sufficient to squash Barack Obama and ObamaTrade. But there was no Hillary against ObamaTrade until now.

So if we are right and there are top level Obama protectors in Hillary2016 more interested in helping Obama than helping Hillary why would they allow Hillary to speak out against ObamaTrade now? Answer: Mourning Joe Biden’s pending announcement that he is in.

Mourning Joe Biden will run to protect ObamaTrade. There will soon be in Joe Biden a candidate to champion ObamaTrade. With Hillary and Bernie, along with the others running for the nomination, dividing amongst themselves the votes of those against ObamaTrade, Mourning Joe Biden will be positioned as the sole defender of ObamaTrade.

Barack Obama would have been hurt if Hillary, Trump, Sanders, Warren, and the rest attacked ObamaTrade with only losers like John Boner firm for ObamaTrade. But with Mourning Joe Biden lined up with Obama and ObamaTrade, the loser in this fight will be dumbass Hillary Clinton left holding the feces filled bag. Hillary’s opposition to ObamaTrade only helps Obama by providing him with an excuse to dump on Hillary and support “loyal” drunk Joe Biden.

Is there anyone loyal to Hillary in Hillary2016 that also has a brain????

In 2013 we strongly advised Hillary Clinton to attack Barack Obama. We understood that such an attack would have negative consequences as the Obama kooks would line up against Hillary. But we also understood that the Obama kooks would line up against Hillary no matter what she said or did. The Obama Kooks hate Hillary.

The time for Hillary to come out against ObamaTrade was during the fast track debate. But from Hillary there was only mush. Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump hit hard against fast track. Mush from Hillary. Hillary said Obama should listen to Pelosi but Hillary never said “Vote NO on fast track.”

Hillary Clinton was always going to have to do what we advised – not because we are the Almighty able to strike down those who do not obey our will. Hillary Clinton was always going to have to do what we advised because in order to win the 2016 election the winning candidate will have to be for CHANGE because the voters understand the country is headed down the wrong track.

Hillary had to come out against ObamaTrade. Hillary should have come out against ObamaTrade long ago, not the week before the first debate. Instead Hillary chose to announce her opposition to ObamaTrade at the worst possible time for her as Mourning Joe Biden prepares to announce perhaps as early as this weekend.

If Hillary had announced opposition to ObamaTrade at a time when it was only Bernie Sanders to worry about she would have been seen as weak against Sanders. That would have hurt only a little because Sanders is not seen as a real threat to her. Also Hillary would have joined a phalanx of united opposition to ObamaTrade. But now, Hillary’s timing only serves Mourning Joe’s purposes and Obama.

Hillary2016’s entire strategy has failed. Hillary2016 has done the opposite of what we advised. We advised she begin her campaign in the states that gave her the greatest margins of victory against Barack Obama. That was so that Hillary2016 could recapture the 2008 magic and bring in the white working class. Instead Hillary2016 has done the opposite of what we suggested and now Bernie Sanders is wooing/winning her voters:

In rural America, a startling prospect: Voters Obama lost look to Sanders

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — Shelley Brannon, 62, can sum up the Obama presidency with three words. Well, three words and an exclamation.

“He screwed us,” said Brannon, a coal miner from Wise County, Va., as he sat outside a rally for the United Mine Workers of America. “Man, he screwed us.”

He shook his head under a camouflage hat that matched his camouflage UMWA T-shirt, and he described his fantasy of dumping nuclear waste in the yards of environmentalists, “if they think coal’s so bad.” He mulled over the mistake he says the UMWA made in 2008, when it endorsed Barack Obama over Hillary Rodham Clinton. Then he explained why he would probably be voting for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in the next Democratic primary.

The white working class voters should have been the bedrock of Hillary2016. Instead, Hillary2016 tried to recreate the situation comedy demographics of the losing Obama coalition. The result is failure:

West Virginia has rejected the Obama-era Democratic Party more dramatically than any other state outside the South, with Appalachian counties that voted for Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale turning blood red over the past eight years. But if you think it’s in places like this where the insurgent Sanders campaign faces its most formidable test, here’s what he thinks: It is also one of his greatest opportunities.

The Vermont socialist believes that white, working-class voters — the sort of people Obama once self-defeatingly said “cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them” — are just one honest argument away from coming back.

“We have millions of working-class people who are voting for Republican candidates whose views are diametrically opposite to what voters want,” Sanders said in an interview. “How many think it’s a great idea that we have trade policies that lead to plants in West Virginia being shut down? How many think there should be massive cuts in Pell grants or in Social Security? In my opinion, not too many people.”

This state, one of the last to vote in the 2016 primary race, is supposed to be Clinton country. Seven years ago, in the 2008 primary, West Virginia Democrats gave Clinton a landslide victory over Obama. She won 69 percent of the white vote and did even better with voters who lacked a college education. A Democrat who improved a few points on Obama’s 39 percent of the national white vote in the 2012 general election would stroll into the White House.

Read that last sentence and understand the monumental Mistake in 2016 committed by Hillary2016.

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  1. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/clinton-comes-out-against-obamas-trade-deal-214523

    Clinton sides with progressives against Obama trade deal

    Her stance puts her in stark opposition with the White House — and Vice President Joe Biden, who could still challenge her in the coming days — once again. [snip]

    By coming out against the deal, Clinton sides with labor unions as well as Sanders and O’Malley. And her stance puts her once again in stark opposition with the White House — and Vice President Joe Biden, who could still challenge her in the coming days.

    It’s just the latest in a growing list of Clinton’s breaks with her former boss. After months of refusing to answer questions about the Keystone XL pipeline — which is still under White House review — Clinton came out against its construction for environmental reasons in September. Shortly thereafter, she announced her opposition to the so-called Cadillac tax on expensive health care benefits that is part of the Affordable Care Act.

    And in recent weeks she has also pledged to go further than the White House on immigration reform and gun control regulations — other domestic policy issues that align her with the liberals pressuring her.

    But she has also weighed in from the opposite side, advocating for the administration to impose a no-fly zone in Syria.

    It’s a striking string of disagreements with Obama, capped by discord today that has been brewing ever since she announced her candidacy in April. But the White House was not surprised by Wednesday’s development: Clinton’s staff gave the administration a heads up today, according to a White House official. [snip]

    In Clinton’s 2014 book, “Hard Choices,” she acknowledged that an agreement would be “important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field. And it was a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia.” [snip]

    O’Malley, for one, immediately weighed in, pointing to Clinton’s shift.

    “Wow! What a reversal! I was against the Trans-Pacific Partnership months, and months ago,” he told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute in Washington on Wednesday shortly after the news of Clinton’s stance broke.

    “I believe we need to stop stumbling backwards into bad deals and Secretary Clinton can justify her own reversal of opinion on this, but I didn’t have one opinion eight months ago and switch that opinion on the eve of the debates.”

  2. Admin

    Your new thread about Hillary’s mistakes,
    poor campaign management
    and speeches without teeth… are very, very sad,

    YET, ABSOLUTELY TRUE

  3. First attack against the nice guy:

    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bungling-surgeon-ben-carson-left-sponge-patients-brain

    Judging by White House wannabe Ben Carson’s track record as a neurosurgeon, his presidential campaign should be declared dead on arrival!

    In a bombshell investigation into his medical career, The National ENQUIRER has exclusively learned the now retired doc allegedly butchered one patient’s brain — and EVEN left a sponge in another’s skull!

    According to at least six malpractice lawsuits against Carson obtained by The ENQUIRER, the Republican candidate allegedly rushed patients into surgery, and brandished a scalpel like a meat cleaver!

    “He’s totally untrustworthy!” one former patient, Karly Bailey, told The ENQUIRER.

    The rest of the article is uglier. We hope none of this is true and that this is just a typical hit piece against Ben Carson. But it does show that his smooth ride is over.

  4. ISIS has a good production team. Their videos are well produced. The kid in this video has nice hair, is cute and his outfit works. Hey, wasn’t one of the Obama selling points in 2008 how Muslims would love him?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3262979/We-cut-filthy-head-Child-ISIS-jihadi-taunts-Dog-Rome-Obama-submit-Caliphate-die-direct-video-threat.html

    ‘We will cut your filthy head’: Child ISIS jihadi taunts ‘Dog of Rome’ Obama to submit to the ‘Caliphate’ or die in direct video threat

    Child jihadi threatens to cut off US President Obama’s head in new video
    Boy wears fatigues and holds rocket launcher as he addresses the camera [snip]

    A child jihadi armed with a rocket-propelled grenade has threatened to behead ‘Dog of Rome Obama’ in a chilling new video released by ISIS.

    The boy, who is only about ten-years-old, tells US President Barack Obama he is ‘dreaming’ if he thinks American soldiers will enter the large swathes of land the terror group controls.

    With one finger pointed to the sky – a hand signal which has become synonymous with ISIS – he warns: ‘Wake up from your sleep and pay the jiz’ yah (religious tax) in submission before the swords of the khalifah (caliphate) reach you and cut your filthy head.’ [snip]

    The video ends with an image of a motorboat travelling through an expanse of water – possibly referencing a journey across the Atlantic or the threat of terrorists slipping into Europe hidden among the hundreds of thousands of migrants.

  5. She looked beautiful in that video, wrinkles and all. But I am not sure what is going on in her campaign. If Sanders and Trump can feel the pulse of this country, why can’t she? What is she afraid of? She might as well stayed home and preserved her dignity.

  6. Gonzotx, some of these people are hard core Dems and they would not vote for a Republican. I personally know a few, (not miners but people from WVa).

  7. The kid in this video has nice hair, is cute and his outfit works.

    ——
    What next, a huge crowd of burqua’d women boiling heads for ISIS dinners?

  8. You know, will we ever get rid of the scourge called Obama in the Democratic party? He is young and his wife is greedy and they and their minions will not let go of this cash cow ever.

  9. admin

    October 7, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    First attack against the nice guy:
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    …this might have something to do with what Trump meant when he said BC was an OK doctor…and the media rushed to BC’s defense at that time…

    I hope it is not true also because whether one likes or agress with Ben C or not, he seems to be an intelligent and good person…

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    btw…today all the media is in an uproar over how “”appalling”” Ben Carson’s comments are about fighting back if someone is trying to kill a group of people

    …this is a perfect example of the media gone amuck…

    I was recently watching a segment with a security professional on what to do if you are caught in one of these situations when a gunman enters and starts shooting at the group…

    and what Ben Carson said is EXACTLY what this professional suggested people should do and they illustrated it with a room fooled with students and how all of them stormed at the guy …girls and guys included…and started pummeling and tackling him from all angles…from the front, side and his back…hitting him on the head, punching him on the side and in his back…trying to bring him down to the floor with them all on top of him…

    the media is so stupid …what are they going to do…just stand there and wait for the bullet…Do not listen to the media…including Jeff Tobin and SE Cupp…and the rest of the pack of reactive group think

  10. what has happened to Hillary?
    I cannot support this: “The idea that you need more guns to stop people who are committing mass shootings is not only illogical, but offensive,” Clinton told the crowds when asked about what she would do to curb gun violence.

    who stops a mass shooter? the police are rarely close.
    all this mass shooting happens in gun free zones.
    the statement doesn’t make sense?

  11. one of the other things that really bothered me yesterday was when Hillary reinforced her immigration policy and made excuses for when Obama was supposedly deporting too many people at the beginning of his presidency…

    according to her…she won’t be doing that…he was wrong to deport all those people…

  12. Hillary seems very confused with the politics of the new democratic party…she seems like she is still stuck in 08 and hasn’t learned trust NO ONE remotely associated with Obama.Bill must be losing it too as he seems unable to help or guide her..then again, he too got Obama’ed in S. Carolina and yet helped Obama many times thinking Obama would return the favor in 2016 to Hillary. Instead, Joe Biden is going to be our next President. Makes me want to puke.

  13. Admin.. Biden the centrist to save the day..

    memeorandum has an article about Axelrod saying pro-Biden group’s ad is tasteless. THAT is a huge TELL.

  14. i’m confused… hillary doesn’t like the plan, every republican running for president doesn’t like it, sanders and other democrats Wig wam etc don’t like it… unions are against it. if Biden supports it wouldn’t it tie him to obama and therefore couldn’t it sink him. confused?

  15. JtJames, all the candidates against ObamaTrade will divide that vote. No profit there for the “no” votes.

    Biden’s entire plan is to tie himself to Obama and get the Obamaroids to vote for him because they are so mindless they will vote for anyone/anything tied to Obama. But Hillary wanted those numbskulls to vote for her and sunk her campaign in order to appeal to them in the primary then scurry away from them during the general election. Obama will use Biden to get rid of Hillary. Biden will back Obama on ObamaTrade. Everyone loses, except Obama – and his real candidate.

  16. Pm317, Axelrod had something to say about Hillary too:

    https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/651794674567483392

    HRC’s dilemma: Having touted TPP as SOS, to oppose it would mean new questions on trust. Yet embracing it would rile base. #hardchoices

    Notice Axelrod’s use of the “trust” and betrayal narratives against Hillary. Obama and his henchmen know they have Hillary in a crossfire. As we’ve written before, the military tactic of putting an opponent in a crossfire is the deadliest tactic on the battlefield (other than a nuke or aerial bombardment).

  17. There was just one reply in that bastard’s twitter TL that came to Hillary’s defense. I don’t have a good feeling about this election. If Obama wants Biden, he will get Biden, by hook or crook, but mostly by crook. Dr. (heh) Biden’s dream will be fulfilled. It is actually nefariously masterful and for that reason, scary.

  18. I don’t have a good feeling about this election.
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    Me either…

  19. If you don’t have a good feeling about this election maybe it is because Hillary still thinks she has “friends” in ObamaWorld. Here is Hillary friend Joe Biden:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-if-i-dont-move-ill-be-demoted-secretary-state-or-something_1042269.html

    During the White House’s Summit On Worker Voice on Wednesday, Joe Biden had a clear message for labor unions—that Hillary Clinton might not be a reliable ally, but he would be. His speech focused on his sympathies for the labor movement, his friendship with AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, and the like. He also hit Clinton, saying, “if I don’t move… I’ll be demoted to Secretary of State or something like that. [laughter from audience] THAT’S A JOKE.” The statement also suggests he’s seriously considering running against Clinton, and that he’d be a better ally for the labor movement than Clinton.

    “But in the meantime, while this is happening, the fight we have is we can’t—we can’t—let the average American out of benefitting from this deal. That’s why we need organized labor. That’s why we need collective bargaining. That’s why we need more protection for workers’ rights.

    Because it’s coming, this resurgence. The question is—it shouldn’t all be, figuratively speaking, meeting income workers with the minimum wage, even if it’s a good minimum wage.

    So we’re counting on you. We need your help. We need your suggestions. We need your muscle. We need to move. And, if I don’t move… I’ll be demoted to Secretary of State or something like that. [laughter from audience] THAT’S A JOKE.”

  20. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/07/hillary-clintons-opposition-to-tpp-is-a-sign-of-just-how-worried-she-is-about-bernie-sanders/

    Hillary Clinton’s opposition to TPP is a sign of just how worried she is about Bernie Sanders

    Hillary Clinton almost never says the words “Bernie Sanders” on the campaign trail despite the fact that the Vermont socialist is running ahead of her in the New Hampshire primary and has been surprisingly competitive with the former secretary of state in the fight for fundraising dollars.

    But just because Clinton doesn’t say Sanders’s name doesn’t mean he isn’t on her mind — a lot. He quite clearly is, with the latest piece of evidence being her decision, announced Wednesday afternoon, to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. TPP is a massive trade deal that the Obama administration views as one of its second-term legacy items and that Clinton, as secretary of state, was on the record as supporting.

    TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field,” Clinton said in 2012. “And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world’s total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.”(CNN listed 45 times that Clinton spoke in support of TPP.)

    The trade agreement is vehemently opposed by key liberal constituencies — the labor movement, most notably — who view it as an invitation for corporations to move jobs overseas, and by Sanders, who has said of the deal that it is “time for the rest of us to stop letting multinational corporations rig the system to pad their profits at our expense.”

    Clinton’s reversal on TPP comes hard on the heels of her decision, after months and months of deliberation, to oppose the building of the Keystone XL pipeline — another position held by Sanders and the liberal elements within the Democratic party. (Interestingly, organized labor favors Keystone because of its potential to create jobs.)

    It’s not hard to see that Clinton, concerned with the surprisingly strong challenge by Sanders from her ideological left, is working to put out that fire by allowing zero distance between she and the Vermonter on these two high-profile issues.

    What’s fascinating though is that there is still scant evidence that liberals have soured on Clinton in any meaningful way. In the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll, Clinton led Sanders 42 percent to 24 percent among all Democrats. Among self-described liberals, the race was closer, but Clinton still led Sanders by 10 points. In an August WaPo-ABC survey, 80 percent of Democrats had a favorable view of Clinton while 18 percent had an unfavorable one. Among liberals, 66 percent had a favorable view as compared to 33 percent who saw her in an unfavorable light. There’s plenty more evidence out there that liberals like — if not love — Clinton, and would be fine voting for her.

    And yet, Clinton decided to reverse herself on TPP — no matter what her campaign says, she was a supporter of the deal — and take the flip-flopper flak rather than risk putting distance between herself and the party base. Worth noting: Vice President Biden, a longtime friend of organized labor, continues to mull a run for the Democratic nomination. So it’s possible Clinton was trying to box Biden as well as Sanders out with this decision, as noted by WaPo’s Paul Kane.

    Clinton also may still be stung by the slings and arrows she took from Barack Obama during the 2008 primary campaign for her support of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) during her husband’s presidency.

    This mailer, which was sent to Ohio primary voters in 2008, caused a massive stir in that race. [snip]

    Clinton, insisting that her position had been mischaracterized, attacked Obama and let loose with the now-infamous “Shame on you, Barack Obama” line.

    It’s clear that Clinton and her campaign made a simple calculation: The damage done by flip-flopping on TPP was less worrisome than the reverberations on the left — and among unions especially — if she supported the trade deal.

  21. But if Joe Biden runs, it will be a character campaign against Hillary Clinton. That doesn’t mean there won’t be specifics discussed about wages and health care and the U.S. role overseas. But at its heart what will have gotten Biden in the race and what will animate it will be character—both his own and the perception that Clinton’s isn’t strong.

    Will he run? Why would he run? So it begins!

  22. I know that this Hillary 2016 campaign is also approved by the Big Dawg, at least though the primary.

    What must the Clinton’s be thinking? They are two very smart people, as a couple, they are a powerhouse.
    It couldn’t be all about the Only Black Lives Matter.

    They only way Joe is a threat is if Hillary decides to fold up her campaign and leave.

    As Admin says above, Joe is there to protect Barry’s golden eggs a$$. To pamper his ‘legacy’ and be the goat that Joe has always been. After all, “Obama is clean and speaks clear English”. (I twisted the words a little).

    The little Communist is there to talk of free college, healthcare, lunches for all, as if the money falls from the Heavens.

    The other white Dim guy, is so forgettable, I can’t remember his name.

    So, Hillary is really the only one that really has the majority of votes from Dims, unless the DNC pulls another bullshit 2008.

    Hillary gets the nomination and either comes out swinging against Trump, if he wins the nomination, (which I doubt that the GOP will let happen), or Hillary sees Trump as the third party candidate that will split the R vote.

    Hillary will continue to attack Shrub III, the GOP favorite, and try to dodge bullets from Trump.

    BTW, news reports said that if Joe runs, he will probably not be in the debates. Then how can anyone take him seriously.\?

    I see this entire election as the model as to how NOT to run for President by all, especially Hillary.

  23. And ha ha Julio.
    Donald Trump to appear in Vegas for campaign rally
    6:38 AM, Oct 8, 2015

    LAS VEGAS (AP) – Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump is expected to appear at a noon campaign rally in Las Vegas at the Treasure Island casino-hotel.
    The event will be inside a theater dedicated to Cirque du Soleil shows at the property owned by friend and business partner Phil Ruffin.
    The two own the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas.
    On Wednesday singer Julio Iglesias called Trump “a clown” for the candidate’s comments about Mexican migrants and vowed to no longer perform in his casinos. That won’t be difficult in Vegas. The Trump International doesn’t have a casino. In New Jersey’s Atlantic City, the Trump Plaza closed and his name has been stripped from most of it. Trump doesn’t control the Trump Taj Mahal but has a minority stake in the company that does.
    http://www.ktnv.com/news/political/elections-local/donald-trump-to-appear-in-vegas-for-campaign-rally_24294522

  24. holdthemaccountable
    October 8, 2015 at 10:54 am
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    Sounds more like carelessness on his part, but then politicians prefer not to own up to their mistakes.

  25. Background to the McCarthy story:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/256270-freedom-caucus-endorses-rep-webster-for-speaker

    The conservative House Freedom Caucus on Wednesday endorsed little-known Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.) for Speaker — a bold move that raises serious doubts about whether Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy can cobble together the 218 votes on the House floor he needs to be promoted.

    McCarthy, a five-term California Republican, is expected to easily win the nomination when House Republicans huddle at noon Thursday to pick a successor to outgoing Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

    But the true test will come Oct. 29, when the House holds a public roll call vote to formally elect the next Speaker.

    The Freedom Caucus, led by Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), holds enough votes to essentially veto a McCarthy Speakership, though it’s unclear whether all members would cast their ballots the same way.

    No one can be elected Speaker unless they win 218 votes.

    “I think he’s over the 200 hump, but that’s not the hump,” said Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.), a McCarthy backer who acknowledged the leader still has a steep climb.

    Webster, 66, the soft-spoken former Speaker of the Florida House, is a long shot to win the Speaker’s gavel, as is another rival, Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), 48, who jumped into the race last weekend.

    But combined, Webster and Chaffetz easily could siphon more than 30 GOP votes from McCarthy on the House floor, denying him the Speaker’s gavel and sending the process into multiple rounds of voting.

    And the endorsement of Webster signals the influential 40-plus member Freedom Caucus’s intention to draw out the process and force McCarthy’s hand.

    “Under the present circumstances and without significant changes to Conference leadership and process, Rep. Daniel Webster would be best equipped to earn back the trust of the American people as Speaker of the House,” the group said in a joint statement.

    Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), a Freedom Caucus member, said the endorsement is for Thursday’s vote and not for the floor vote.

    Still, he said the group has proven that “once we walk out of that room united, we stay united on the floor.”

    Our quick impression? Republicans escaped a bullet by getting rid of McCarthy. We don’t think anyone should trust showhorse Jason Chaffetz either. The entire Republican leadership in the House and Senate need to be removed for their failures.

  26. One more point about McCarthy out of the leadership race: This would not have happened without Donald J. Trump. Not that Trump was directly involved in any of these machinations. But Trump has lit a fire (for accountability and stiff spines) that is just beginning to burn.

  27. Dirty Harry going to sue Theraband.Talk about frivolous lawsuit. .
    Loss of wages, his ability to get a job after 2017 when, hurrah, he leaves Congress. .
    What his millions he has scammed in his re election funds, under the table deals, and hundreds of thousands of taxpayer retirement funds is not enough?

  28. HoldThemAccountable, NYTimes baits Trump to help Rubio:

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/08/high-noon-out-west-between-trump-and-rubio-the-kid/

    According to Donald J. Trump, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida is “just a kid” — too young and too inexperienced to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. But what if Mr. Rubio were to be the one who comes out of the spat looking like the grown-up?

    We may begin to get an answer to that on Thursday as both men travel to Las Vegas to campaign in events just a few hours apart. Mr. Trump will hold his rally first on the Las Vegas Strip at a theater that, perhaps fittingly, is home to an installment of the theatrical and grandiose Cirque du Soleil series. It is hard to imagine he won’t take more shots at Mr. Rubio, who has been the subject of Mr. Trump’s constant needling and taunting for the last few weeks.

    Mr. Rubio will appear later to speak to supporters at an affluent development of west of the Strip. Don’t expect him to say much about Mr. Trump. He hasn’t been taking the bait so far, believing that avoiding the back-and-forth would give him the higher ground. And that of course helps Mr. Rubio, 44, appear to be something he isn’t often called in a presidential field of older, more seasoned politicians: the adult.

  29. Looky here: Jeb Bush is against the “Old Order”. Yup, Jebby is now an outsider by decree:

    https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/08/bush-super-pac/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Politics&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body

    A “super PAC” supporting Jeb Bush is set to begin airing a new commercial that echoes his recent turn toward a more forceful anti-Washington message.

    “We need to disrupt the old order in Washington, D.C.,” Mr. Bush says in the ad, as an image of President Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton together flashes on the screen.

    Mr. Bush, trying to find traction as political outsiders perform well in the presidential race, has begun incorporating variations of the word “disrupt” into his remarks, vowing to take on the capital’s political culture the same way he did in Tallahassee as governor of Florida.

    The 30-second spot by the super PAC, Right to Rise, will air in New Hampshire, with a variation of it running in Iowa. It is part of the $37 million ad buy the group has placed in the early nominating states through February.

  30. holdthemaccountable
    October 8, 2015 at 10:54 am

    Off topic and mean. Picture this:

    “The TheraBand

    ———
    I’m no lawyer but good luck with this suit Harry. The only way he will win is because of his name.

    Harry admits that the band might have slipped out of his hand, and there is no mention that the band broke…so maybe they will buy him a life time of sunglasses and give him a ten year pass at the YMCA.

    Harry using a device like that at his age is just an accident waiting to happen.

    For the corruption he has pulled on the American people, I have zero sympathy for him.

  31. Shadowfax, HoldThemAccountable, will Botox John Kerry be next to sue? Kerry conceivably could sue bicycle manufacturers for falling off his bike. Or maybe Kerry will sue the Botox manufacturers for Botox caused inflammation around the eyes causing the bike crash?

  32. admin
    October 8, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    ——
    That’s pretty darn funny, “Disrupt the old order in DC”…hahahahahahahaha…

    He is the THIRD BUSH TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, someone needs to remind him that the old order Bush dynasty is part of his campaign.

  33. Forgot to mention, that ad has him raising up his hand and speaking a little louder…is that in retaliation to Trump saying Shrub3 ads put the public to sleep????

  34. admin
    October 8, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    ——
    🙂

    I think HorseFace has a lot of people he could sue for a face like that. Maybe he went to the same plastic surgeon as Carly Fiorina and their surgery also caused delusions of grandeur.

  35. The Wall Street Journal is fertilizing Shrub 3 a.k.a. Jeb! every day. The comments section knows it is all GOP establishment manure. Here’s the WSJ shoveling the stuff:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/jeb-bush-plays-up-role-as-a-disrupter-1444269329?mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy

    Jeb Bush Plays Up Role as a ‘Disrupter’
    One-time GOP presidential front-runner tries to regain momentum in three-day Iowa campaign swing

    MUSCATINE, Iowa—The onetime front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination now likes to call himself a “disrupter.”

    During a swing this week through eastern Iowa, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush stepped up his rhetoric against the political establishment, seeking to catch up to the outsider candidates leading the GOP field.

    I’ve never lived in Washington, never been part of Washington,” the former two-term governor said Wednesday at a coffee shop here. “I just have the skill set to disrupt the beast.”

    Mr. Bush, who relishes discussion of policy and counts two former U.S. presidents as family, is struggling to be treated like a renegade. An anti-Washington joke he told about 500 people Tuesday night at a Republican Party dinner in nearby Bettendorf fell flat. “He can pitch himself as an outsider but I don’t know if he can sell it,” said Wylie Pillers, an attorney who attended the GOP dinner and praised Mr. Bush as “levelheaded,” “coherent” and “not extreme.”

    When Mr. Bush officially declared his candidacy on June 15, supporters expected his fundraising and political network to cow potential opponents. Instead, he found himself competing in one of the most crowded fields in decades amid a groundswell of antiestablishment fervor.

    He has dropped from fifth to sixth place in Iowa, from first to fourth in New Hampshire and from first to fifth in South Carolina, according to Real Clear Politics polling averages. In his home state of Florida, where he once dominated, a Quinnipiac University survey Wednesday showed him trailing Donald Trump, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

    Mr. Trump has needled Mr. Bush as “low-energy,” a description he has sought to defy with frequent travel and public appearances. When a man remarked Wednesday morning that he didn’t lack passion, Mr. Bush smiled triumphantly. “You should see me in the afternoon!” he said.

    Mr. Bush is also increasingly critical of Mr. Rubio, who has suggested his former mentor is out of touch with modern-day issues. At a time when Mr. Rubio has skipped Senate votes for campaigning, Mr. Bush has made docking the pay of absent lawmakers part of his platform. He also said members of Congress have thin records of accomplishment compared with his own. “If you’ve been in Washington, D.C., in the last six years and you’re a United States senator, what have you done?” Mr. Bush said. “There’s been no change in the culture.”

    Mr. Bush juxtaposed Washington gridlock with a description of how he “turned the place upside down” as Florida governor, cutting taxes, vetoing legislators’ pet projects and slashing the state payroll. “It wasn’t easy to do it, and it required disrupting the old order,” he said. “I took on the establishment.”

    ???????

  36. Turning out to be a busy day. With McCarthy out, WaPo opines a GOP revolution has begun. Some say it’s about a letter Rep Jones sent regarding skeletons and Kev might have one. Others think its Cruz’s doing because he keeps in touch.

    But I wanted to get this Roseburg Facebook event out. Know we aren’t happy about Obama going to extend sympathies to shooter’s surviving victims. But perhaps there will be a physical protest.

    Over 6,500 set to protest Obama’s visit to Roseburg, Oregon
    SNIP As of this writing, a Facebook event called “Defend Roseburg – Deny barack 0bama,” has managed to garner over 6,500 supporters who say they plan to attend the event, which is set to be held on Friday, October 9 at 9:00 a.m., at the intersection of Stuart Parkway and Aviation Dr., in Roseburg.
    The event says:
    The anointed one his majesty king 0bama and the White House have announced a Friday arrival in Roseburg, Oregon in the wake of Oct 1st’s horrific tragedy at UCC.
    Polarizing as usual, Mr 0bama has insisted on politicizing the event as a conduit for increased executive orders on gun control via means of his pen, and his phone.
    This blatant disrespect of the victims families, the community and the town of Roseburg, Mr 0bama’s administration is flying not just the 747 that is airforce one to Oregon, but a three helicopter team of Sikorsky’s that make up HMX-1, known as Marine one to travel to Roseburg at the taxpayers expense.
    We need a lot of people. Please come show your support for Roseburg, not the little man who has no respect for the Constitution.
    Support has been pouring in from across the country. One person wrote:
    SNIP
    http://linkis.com/conservativefiringline.com/mpcGv

    Maybe Barack could just go directly to California and make American Hero Stone feel better.
    HikeBot(?) was killed in Philadelphia.
    French train hero attacked in Sacramento.
    USA USA USA

  37. Hillary and ALL Democrats are LOST to the bottom half of West By God Virginia!

    Obama has DESTROYED coal (as he promised — but dumb shits here voted for him in mass — up north) NOT the mid down to the south.

    As goes COAL so goes the votes here

    TRUMP is the talk

    MOST worrysome is the different rules regarding each states primaries.

    I’m a Trumpster and I expect the UMWA WILL endorse him … I don’t think they’ll endorse Biden and I know they won’t endorse Hillary

  38. I don’t think Kerry as he is universally disliked by almost all. The Iran deal will likely get him and the Iranian a Nobel Peace Prize for setting the path to destroying Israel, but he is not electable.(I cringe to think I voted for him in 2004!!!!!!). Biden, on the other hand, is less competent than most running, but has the tragic story of his son’s dying wish (allegedly planted by him via Dowd) and many dems love this guy. Heck, I even liked him at one time, but that was before he became Obama’s lap dog.

  39. Admin, for all your right on observations about Hillary’s campaign, I am going to suggest again that what you do not get about how “stupid” she is, can be found in her personality type, that I happen to share as a Briggs-Meyers INTJ. It is a lack of political acumen. So she has to depend on others for that and she has obviously made some bad choices, or maybe is not free to make her choices.

    And I have to say, that I feel passionately that the TPP is an evil threat to democracy and freedom for the populous. But I also think Hillary has taken a very logical position on it. I have never seen that she supported it, but that she refused to take a strong position on it as it has never been available for her review. Even now, she slips that in, that she has not read it and that does bother her as she now has to take a more definite position.

    She came out today with some more on the Financial Crisis. I almost puked about her pro-Obola crap, but if you can get past it, it is quite interesting:

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-08/hillary-clinton-s-plan-to-prevent-the-next-crash

    Well, it is too late for the plan because we are already crashing and it will be in full bloom as the next POTUS takes office. Hillary blames Bush for the last one, but Too Big To Fail and not consequences for the financial crimes have resulted in a redo under Obola. Bigger. Worse. And Failing.

    Still it is the illegal immigrants that is the deal breaker for me. But it is scary how many of them are voting.

    Right now my vote is TRUMP. But my heart belongs to Hillary.

  40. He’s Back:
    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/2015/10/08/breaking-john-boehner-has-agreed-stay-speaker

    Breaking: John Boehner has agreed to stay on as Speaker

    Per Bret

    Having Talked to several senior aides on Capitol Hill (along with Chris Stirewalt and his sources on the Hill tied to the leadership) here is the picture that is beginning to form.

    Speaker John Boehner has agreed to stay on as Speaker–not just until the Caucus nominates someone –but, until that person can confirm 218 votes on the House floor (needed to take the Speaker’s gavel). Short of that – Boehner will stay on for the rest of this Congress and steer legislation that is pending.

    What does this mean? Moderates and leadership types are cheering and saying Boehner is the only one they will support. Conservatives will go ballistic since they know this signals that Boehner will make ALL kinds of deals to get big ticket legislation through the House even if it means using Democrats votes to do it.

    The news… short of another candidate that can get 218 votes (and that looks like a long shot with leadership and moderates lining up behind Boehner)

    Looks like he may be here to stay to handle the very tough debt ceiling and next CR.

  41. Frank Lutz is on FOX …boy…he is blaming the Conservatives in Congress for the Kevin McCarthy withdrawal. He says the Conservatives are tearing the Rep party apart and he sees a parallel between 2006 when Reps took a beating and this year and he points to the Conservatives in the House. Lutz says they need an establishment experienced type. He’s mad that McCarthy was forced out because he must think he was the best for the Speaker’s job.

    I love seeing this fat slob all stressed out and mad.

  42. admin
    October 7, 2015 at 6:52 pm
    ——–
    Not to worry. This fine young man with the surface to air missile in hand is just going through a phase that most young boys do where they fall in love with toy trucks, helicopters, war planes and atomic cannons etc. Don’t worry. He will go on to become a doctor and will invent a cure for cancer. Lets bring a million of them over here, with they toys, and in the fulsomeness of time we will have a million doctors all inventing the cure for cancer. Besides, it will compensate for our low birth rate, and please the Pope. Likewise, Bohner will be pleased, especially if he get another million slipped in his pocket from lobbyists during this interrignum, and especially if one of the pistol toting geniuses also invents a cure for alcoholism, and skirt chasing.

  43. FORGET ABOUT THE TYPE WORN BROMIDES OF THE POPE.

    WHAT RICHARD SAYS BELOW—THIS IS HOLY WRIT

    AND FOR SECULARISTS, WHO BELIEVE ONLY IN OBAMA, ETC.

    THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE:

    WE THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT

    BY THE POLITICAL CLASS AND BY BIG MEDIA

    AND THERE NO LIVING WITH IT.

    ————–

    “The elites who seized power underestimated the costs of despising the voters.

    They underrated the effects of constant betrayal and unbroken degradation.

    They failed to remember that even the worm turns.

    Vladimir Putin, for all his evil character, understands that he had to serve the his dictatorial constituency faithfully. He might serve the devil, but he serves him well.

    Edward Luttwak, writing in Tablet magazine observed that Putin was ironically true to his salt; and that in this crazy world one might prefer Atilla to Judas;

    Putin is guilty of a very great crime: He defends his allies and attacks his enemies—conduct particularly reprehensible in the eyes of the Obama Administration, which does the exact opposite.

    Obama’s America dislikes Japan’s staunchly pro-American Prime Minister Abe (deemed “insufficiently apologetic”), it spurns the calls for action of Britain’s Cameron and Hollande of France, and has missed no opportunity to denigrate Benjamin Netanyahu, even as it eagerly embraces the bleak dictators of Cuba and of course Hassan Fereydoun a.k.a. Rouhani, president of the “death to America” Islamic republic of Iran and de facto chief nuclear negotiator—for the second time. The first time, from Oct. 6, 2003 to Aug. 15, 2005, when Rouhani was the official negotiator, under the equally mellifluous President Mohammad Khatami, he boasted that he had used the talks “to buy time to advance Iran’s nuclear program”—but that is not something that would dissuade an American administration that is intensely suspicious, but only of its allies.

    If the Republicans — if Obama — had been half as willing to serve the American people as to sell them out, they might have been trusted more.

    A working Democracy must turn over its officials with sufficient frequency to ensure that the trust relationship is renewed. The problem facing the Republican Party — and Washington in general — is that they’re all out of trust.

    When that is gone it is as if the oil were drained out of the engine of governance. The costs — like heat – build up and the radiator can’t carry it away. Things go on for a while, but ultimately the engine will seize up. Either trust is restored or you get a new engine.

  44. As all of you know, I have been in favor of a new engine.

    Can an institution be reformed from within?

    Erasus of Rotterdam thought so, he tried, and he failed.

    But not for lack of effort.

    Martin Luther succeeded because he made a clean break from the Catholic Church.

    A clean break by conservatives from the Republican Party is what is required.

    Anything less is a lifetime exercise in futility.

  45. I think this TPP thing will be the catalyst for the breakdown of the political system as we know it. If we continue to allow the elites to over reach this far, then we will have nothing left. Its over.

  46. Is Biden getting a clue? http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/10/08/pro-biden-super-pac-pulls-about-family-tragedy/YvzwTiYkDDhUYVj057yljM/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter While everyone can empathize with the tragedies that have befallen Joe during his hard life, is a hard luck case like him really what the country wants (much less needs) at this time of peril? Wife and child dying, brain aneurysms, adult son with young children dying, serving as VP for the worst president in history, Joe seems to be snake bit. He is one verbal “kill shot” (Scott Adams term for a descriptor of what is in the back of everyone’s mind such as !Jeb is low energy) from Trump and sliding off into oblivion. The noise that he has a great team, great message and lots of money to challenge Hillary is baloney. Wrong message, wrong guy, wrong time to float a human tragedy aggregator as president for a country in trouble. Do any of these Democrats ever think things through? I doubt it.

  47. It is clear that the country does not want Biden but Obama crowd can cook the books with fake votes. What will Trump do?

  48. Luntz is a putz and a yutz.

    On CBS just now the nincompoop said, “God help us if anyone other than Paul Ryan gets the Speakership.”

    The fix is in. I wonder how much money he got paid to float that little pearl of wisdom. Like many other bits of wisdom I hear from our betters these days, that one floats alright, but it ain’t no pearl.

  49. Paul Ryan, darling of the donor class, is absolutely positively the worst possible candidate for Speaker, bar none.

    No issue is more foundational to our survival than the issue of borders and immigration. Yet, there is nobody around in the party who is more fanatically dedicated to the cause of open borders than Paul Ryan. Whereas most others could be talked off the ledge on this issue, Ryan is a true believer. When asked to comment on Obama’s executive amnesty – the single biggest act of imperialism from a modern president – Ryan said “call my office.”

    At a time when we need the next GOP leader to fight another year of Obama’s lawlessness on criminal aliens and dangerous refugee policies, Ryan will give Obama tail winds and could possibly use his respect within the conference to promote these issues.

    Nothing threatens the foundation of our Republic than the growing assault on our sovereignty. That is the number one issue of our time. Almost nobody has the ability and desire to score points for the Democrats on this grave issue than Paul Ryan.

    It’s time to let the Young Guns go the way of the Whigs.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/09/paul-ryan-is-the-absolute-worst-choice-for-speaker/

  50. WAKE UP HILLARY!

    Pick up your sword and FIGHT, or GET OUT of the effin’ RACE!

    I am so sick of waiting for her……………………………

    So far, Trump has my vote and Hillary has my anger and disappointment.

  51. pm317
    October 9, 2015 at 9:03 am
    It is clear that the country does not want Biden but Obama crowd can cook the books with fake votes. What will Trump do?
    ___________

    Hell yeah they can. They can, did, and will again if O tells them to.

  52. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/09/watch-fox-sports-hypes-usa-mexico-soccer-match-with-video-featuring-donald-trump/

    Watch: Fox Sports Hypes USA-Mexico Soccer Match with Video Featuring Donald Trump

    Fox Sports’ soccer account tweeted out a video Friday hyping up the October 10 matchup between the United States Men’s National Team and Mexico’s National team.

    The video uses some of GOP front-runner Donald Trump’s nicer comments regarding Mexicans as “having amazing spirit,” but then plays his comments of the United States, “Our country has tremendous people, tremendous potential.”

    The video closes with Trump’s comments saying, “We will make America great again.”

    This is the opposite of what a Mexican television station did, when they used Trump’s negative comments on Mexico to hype up their fans for the upcoming match.

  53. http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/09/trump-im-never-getting-out-of-the-race/

    Trump: I’m Never Getting Out of the Race

    On Friday’s “Morning Joe” on MSNBC, Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump vowed to stayed the course in the presidential campaign.

    Trump explained that in a previous media appearance if things weren’t going his way, he would consider dropping out of the race. Trump declared the media’s reaction to those remarks “ridiculous” and then made his proclamation about the contest.

    “You know the amazing thing — I was with Chuck Todd, who was very good, and I did ‘Meet the Press’ and he said, ‘Well, would you get out?’ and I made this statement, ‘Well, you know, if I could see I wasn’t going to win, and if my numbers were really terrible, and if you wouldn’t call and everybody’s not calling, if I saw it wasn’t going to happen, of course I would.’”

    “The next day headlines: ‘Trump considering maybe getting out’ — it was so ridiculous,” he said. “So you know what I say right now? I give more of a political answer: I’m never getting out.”

  54. …the media is worse than it has ever been…

    even people who are somewhat reasonable and objective have gone off the rails

    …the story they have all created this week about Ben Carson has been so asinine…the media would rather have people stand there and be slaughtered than have another option on what they might do if so cornered…

    particulary when police and other trained officials are suggesting that people do just as Ben Carson said…

    the biggest loser of the pack this week is Wolf Blitzer…if anyone saw the clip of Wolf Blitzer interviewing Ben Carson yesterday regarding people defending themselves, whether Ben believes Obama is a “real black man” and a “real Christian” and then if the Jewish people would have been better able to protect themselves if they had guns, instead of being disarmed by Hitler of all means to defend themselves…

    it was insane…I have never seen Wolf badger a person in an interview like that…like a dog on a bone…and all the other news outlets were basically doing the same thing with this made up “backlash” BS

    they just make up stuff and try to corner people to take them out and then have their panels on to just all agree and try to reinforce the SET UP…

    the backlash is against them…a bunch of group think attempting to brainwash the public…

    it really is nauseating…they are getting worse and worse…they cannot seem to understand they are part of the problem…and that is why outsiders are winning

  55. S, I watched Wolf and he just about shit his pants when Carson would NOT say what the wanted him to say!!!!!!!!

    The media all frigging week has tried to drag Mr. Ben Carson down and I admire Ben sooooo much better now that one week ago!!!

    Ben has shown tremendous STRENGTH and GRACE and just “COMMON SENSE” in his answers and the media onslaught that he HAS to know is being heaped on him

    His calm demeanor is fantastic and the fact that he IS calling out Obama on his failed policy for not only BLACK but also WHITE people in this country.

    Rock on BEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  56. S, I watched Wolf and he just about shit his pants when Carson would NOT say what the wanted him to say!!!!!!!!
    ———
    Vulf Bleitzkreig is a racist.

  57. (Trump) “So you know what I say right now? I give more of a political answer: I’m never getting out.”

    ——-
    That’s the spirit! Even if you have to run as a third party candidate, someone like Trump can’t stir up the pot,

    and leave everyone at the alter.

    He thinks the American public is pist now, watch how we would react if he were to quit.

  58. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/07/donald-trump-dominates-gop-field-weakest-against-hillary/

    The media has spent the last week speculating if Trump will drop out of the race. These polls show that it is Jeb Bush who should be fielding these questions. Bush is not only drowning, he is doing so while spending millions and millions of dollars.

    On “Morning Joe” this morning “Weekly Standard” editor Bill Kristol said that “Donald Trump has probably destroyed Jeb Bush.” These polls back that up.

    NATIONAL

    The latest national polls show Trump with a commanding lead over his Republican opponents. The left-leaning Public Policy Polling firm has The Donald way out front with 27%. His next closest rival, Dr. Ben Carson, is -10 down at 17%.

    The latest Ipsos /Reuters national poll has Trump at 33%, beating second and third place (Carson, Jeb Bush) combined.

    SWING STATES

    In Florida, Quinnipiac shows that Trump is crushing his rivals with 28% support. Carson is second with 16%. Florida sons Jeb Bush and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) sit at 12% and 14%, respectively. Trump’s support in Florida beats Bush and Rubio combined. That’s extraordinary.

    In Ohio, Trump is crushing favorite son and current Republican governor John Kasich, 23% to 13%. Trump leads in the state. Carson is in second place with 18%. Cruz 11%; Fiorina 10%; Rubio 7%; Bush sits at a pathetic 4%.

    The song is the same in Pennsylvania. Trump leads with 23%. Carson is in second place with 17%. Rubio 12%; Bush 4%; Fiorina 8%; Cruz 6%%.

    We notice the Carly Fiorina Train is off the rails after so much Big Media hope and hype. Rubio as the next Trump-taker-downer is flailing as well (especially with his dismal 3rd Quarter fundraising results which were half of Cruz’s 12 million). Carson is back as the Trump-downer-taker but with the same limits and likelihood of failure that for a while got him replaced with Carly and Marco.

    We also have to point out that the Trump-taker-downers are a woman, a black man, and a Latino man. The white guys use the aforementioned as pawns to take down the white guy that trumps them all. Ray-siss-um!!!!

    The real problem for the Trump-taker-downer strategy is that if Floridians Jeb BUSH and Marco Rubio can’t win against Trump in Florida what good are they in the rest of the country? If John Kasich can’t beat Trump in Ohio what good is he in the rest of the country (Kasich is the man that won his last election in Ohio 2014 with a 31% vote margin)? If Texans Ted Cruz and the moldy Rick Perry can’t beat Trump in Texas what good are they for the winning ticket in 2016? We can only guess that a New Jersey poll when one is taken will show Trump beating Christie there so we’ll ask what good is Christie nationally then? Ditto Lindsey Graham and Rand Paul.

    If you can’t be a Trump-taker-downer in your home state what makes you think you’d be a Trump-taker-downer anywhere else?

  59. that video clip does not take you to Myriam (instead the Pope), but the interview and clip is at Neil’s website…maybe some here knows how to embed or whatever you need to do so the clip shows up

  60. I agree Dot48…the media sounds stupid…what kind of example do they set with their nonsense…

    very disappointed in Wolf, he is usually more restrained but he went way overboard and the rest of the pack just follows along…

    it is ironic that the media cannot…will not…recognize OBVIOUS common sense and intelligent remarks…and instead undermines the public’s safety and well being…

    i wish Donald or Ben would turn the question around and ask each of them in the media ‘what would you do or tell your children or spouse to do, just stand there and all take the bullets and be killed?’

    it is hard to believe they do not see how foolish and irresponsible they sound…

    btw…don’t know if anyone caught John Heinlman (sp) and his cohort Mark…they did a focus group in Iown and NH and everyone in the focus groups (minus I think 3 people in one state) fully agreed with Carson and Trumps remarks regarding electing a Muslim president and Sharia Law…

    the media is so freaking politically correct and corrupt that they have lost complete touch with the people…

  61. So they say Joe may announce the day of the debate and make the evening’s events all about him. If so, he has learned well from his teacher Obama. Once Joe enters I hope the gloves come off and Hillary and her “team”(so far a very weak one) find the guts to point out Joe’s very flawed record and plagiarism past. I know the media will be all over her and her surrogates for attacking poor “Uncle Joe” with the loss of so many relatives, but with what he and Obama have conspired to do to bring her down makes all fair game.

  62. Admin: The Brooklyn strategist are still learning to shave. They have convinced Hillary to reject the white working class coalition which was the core component of her 2008 coalition that produced 17 million votes, and to put all her marbles on the Obama coalition comprised of Blacks, Hispanics, single women and youth voters. The strategy assumed that she would carry that group like Obama did by supporting Obama. It never made provision for Sander, Biden, etc. The question, then, is how is she doing with those four groups? The answer, according to a recent poll is, rather badly. Overall, even at his lowest point, Obama had 68% support in this coalition, whereas today she has less than half. More startling however is the breakdown within these groups:

    Blacks: 69% (vs Obama 90%)

    Hispanics: 46%

    Unmarried women: 36% (this should be her core demographic)!!!!

    Youth: 30%

    http://www.dickmorris.com/hillary-no-demographic-safety-net-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

    I mean blacks, latinos, single white women (looking for Mr. Goodbar or some other sugar daddy) and young whippersnappers

  63. ‘We notice the Carly Fiorina Train is off the rails after so much Big Media hope and hype. Rubio as the next Trump-taker-downer is flailing as well (especially with his dismal 3rd Quarter fundraising results which were half of Cruz’s 12 million). Carson is back as the Trump-downer-taker but with the same limits and likelihood of failure that for a while got him replaced with Carly and Marco.’
    _________________

    Thanks, Administrator, good news to hear that Carly, Jeb, and Marco are derailing…yeah

  64. Lu4PUMA – I’ve heard you mention Myers-Briggs before. I just wanted to throw out there that you might not want to put *too* much emphasis on it, as it’s a self-report scale with poor psychometric qualities – it’s not strong as are the reliable and valid traditional psychological tests which are administered by a clinical psychologist (sort of like reading a self-help books vs seeing a therapist)

    There are articles in peer-reviewed journals about this, but here’s a quick wiki (excerpts) take on it… if you don’t feel safe with the wiki, you can look the subject up in peer reviewed journals. Just fyi!


    Criticism
    The validity (statistical validity and test validity) of the MBTI as a psychometric instrument has been the subject of much criticism.

    It has been estimated that between a third and a half of the published material on the MBTI has been produced for the special conferences of the Center for the Application of Psychological Type (which provide the training in the MBTI, and are funded by sales of the MBTI) or as papers in the Journal of Psychological Type (which is edited and supported by Myers–Briggs advocates and by sales of the indicator). It has been argued that this reflects a lack of critical scrutiny. Many of the studies that endorse MBTI are methodologically weak or unscientific.

    Psychometric specialist Robert Hogan wrote that “Most personality psychologists regard the MBTI as little more than an elaborate Chinese fortune cookie…

    Most studies have found that scores on the individual scales were actually distributed in a centrally peaked manner, similar to a normal distribution, indicating that the majority of people were actually in the middle of the scale and were thus neither clearly introverted nor extraverted. Most personality traits DO show a normal distribution of scores from low to high, with about 15% of people at the low end, about 15% at the high end and the majority of people in the middle ranges.

    But in order for the MBTI to be scored, a cut-off line is used at the middle of each scale and all those scoring below the line are classified as a low type and those scoring above the line are given the opposite type. Thus, psychometric assessment research fails to support the concept of type, but rather shows that most people lie near the middle of a continuous curve.

    The MBTI measures preferences, not ability. The use of the MBTI as a predictor of job success is expressly discouraged in the Manual. However, the MBTI continues to be popular because many people lack psychometric sophistication, it is not difficult to understand, and there are many supporting books, websites and other useful sources which are readily available to the general public.

    The accuracy of the MBTI depends on honest self-reporting. Unlike some personality questionnaires, such as the 16PF Questionnaire, the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, or the Personality Assessment Inventory, the MBTI does not use validity scales to assess exaggerated or socially desirable responses. As a result, individuals motivated to do so can fake their responses.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator

  65. admin has mentioned there is a real candidate that Obama wants to whip out at his own time. My guess is that it will be Deval Patrick.

  66. lorac,

    I had mine done by a professional firm when I was employed by a major corporation, as part of a large study with management. They wanted to know why “talented” people were so “difficult” to manage, as I was considered. The conclusion was that management consisted primarily of extroverts while the “difficult”, “talented” pool consisted mostly of introverts. And there was training on interacting with different personality types that I found to be very helpful.

    I do not know who determined Hillary’s type, but I have seen it referenced as INTJ in numerous articles and do consider it one of the reasons I feel I relate to her.

  67. It’s funny that they keep asking Trump, the front runner, when is he going to drop out. I remember they wondered that about Hillary, even when she was winning state after state and racking up delegates (before they were stolen or bribed, of course). I think in both cases, the media is trying to set a narrative in people’s minds, that these people *should* be dropping out.

    I think that’s what Trump does (ONE of his reasons anyway)for why he is often bragging and pointing out his wins. IMO, part of his purpose is to plant a narrative in the people’s minds to make sure they know his good qualities – just as the media does for nefarious reasons.

  68. Hi Lu – for me, the big takeaway points are that there is no evidence of “types”, which is the main base of the whole theory. People’s personalities fall on a bell curve, as does intelligence, with most grouped near the middle of the curve. The Myers Briggs has to force types by drawing an arbitrary line down the middle of the sample. But “types” means the groups are discrete. They’re not discreet when they’re lumped together and artificially made into groups…

    Also, most of the positive research on it has been done by the groups that design it, market it, sell it, etc. Huge potential for bias there. It’s like how drug companies used to be able to run their own studies on the medications they developed, but just threw out all the bad studies (that didn’t agree with their hypothesis),and only published the few that did support their hypothesis (the rules have changed, now they have to produce research even on the studies that don’t support their medicine).

    What I know is that I used to perform batteries of intelligence and personality tests to many people. The batteries never included the Myers-Briggs; it was considered more something a guidance counselor might toss to a student to give them something to mull over – but even that was inappropriate in my mind, because the Myers-Briggs doesn’t have demonstrated reliability or validity.

    Just my .02 🙂

  69. I don’t think Deval Patrick as he was a Clinton supporter until it became clear O was going to win(cheat)…..

  70. “admin has mentioned there is a real candidate that Obama wants to whip out at his own time. My guess is that it will be Deval Patrick.”
    _____________________
    Deval Patrick…now my headache is back. Hopefully he is not the ghost candidate Admin has in mind.

  71. Since we are guessing at the ghosty candidates, here are my left field guesses:

    Jarrett

    Axelgrease

    Love – the body man

    Any black man in a hoodie that could be his son.

  72. Nooo…nooooooo! Thanks Shadow, my headache has zoomed into the migraine category. You have just proven that things can always be WORSE. lol

  73. Southern

    “You have just proven that things can always be WORSE. lol”

    —–

    I am close to the same mood, but with a touch more of anger. Maybe music will help??? Blast away a tune my friend.

  74. This line is best in the Stone’s song I posted above,

    “I’m gonna tear my hair out, tear my hair out, over you.”

  75. I have noticed that CNN has started to just show even MORE outragous facial expressions when interviewing guests. Brooke Baldwin yesterday was just terrrible

    Wolf Blitzer has become the MOST badgering person on tv

    Shep Smith does nothing but spew his own PERSONAL thoughts

    Honestly WHERE can a person go to just see what is going on in the campaigns without having to subject themselves to this bullshit

    Ben Carson is doing a FINE job 🙂 I love him more day after day

    Hillary sucking up to Black Lives Matter yesterday and they come out and said “nope” to her hope .. I guess she couldn’t promise to dis arm police and everything else they want.

    Black Lives Matter is nothing but THUGS

  76. Gowdy has finally had it with Ly’n Elija. This letter drags that dark mover from behind the scenes into broad daylight for all to see what he has been doing. It is an incredible letter, and but for all the political theater in the House, this would have received serious attention.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/10/09/brutal-trey-gowdy-pens-scathing-letter-to-top-benghazi-committee-democrat-n2062980?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_7&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall

  77. orac
    October 9, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    admin has mentioned there is a real candidate that Obama wants to whip out at his own time. My guess is that it will be Deval Patrick.
    _____________________
    Hope not 👿

  78. I’d like to see the ‘Stump For Trump’ sisters, Diamond and Silk…

    join up with the Columbian woman, Myriam and a few of her Latino/Hispanic friends from her neighborhood…

    and take their “we love and want Donald Trump for President” show on the road…

    they are fun, strong and entertaining…

    The Donald makes politics joyful and fun again…even his critics can’t help but smile and laugh when DT goes into full throttle…

  79. lorac, about MBT, I came up an out and out INTJ in a team building gobbledygook that we did in my first job. My husband purportedly is an INTJ also. But over the years, we have both become more E than I, just because this society and culture rewards more E than I. Where I agree with you is that there is no hard science behind it — like much of Industrial Engineering type stuff, Organization Behavior this and that. At some level, it is not any more than the personality types they describe under your astrological signs. I share my birthday with Hillary and we are both Scorpios, yay! Joking, nothing to it.

    In corporate settings, MBT type exercise may have a placebo effect, that is if you declare (honestly) that something is your weak point, others may be more understanding and cooperative than holding it against you.

  80. I think MB is a useful model for discussing the differences in peoples personalities. Sure, it is inexact and way more simple than a total persons actual personality, but I found it very useful and quite interesting. But INTJ is the most unusual of the MB types, observed in 1 in 200 people and only 1 in 300 women. And Hillary Clinton sure does seem to fit the profile, for whatever that insight is worth.

  81. Here is a good read on why our markets look like they do. There are more an more critical articles turning up in the MSM on the financial situation

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-09/bank-of-america-here-s-the-precise-moment-when-we-should-have-known-qe-went-wrong

    At some point during Fed QE, the markets started reacting positively to bad news. In our view, this is when things started going wrong. Bad news became good news for asset prices, as markets expected more QE by the Fed. Asset prices were increasingly deviating from fundamentals, as the markets were trading the Fed instead of the economic reality. This was clearly not sustainable.

  82. Awesome song selection Shadowfax. As for MO, if not now sometime in the future. I am also sure she is orchestrating this with O and Dr. Jill Biden to bring Hillary down.

  83. S
    October 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    I’d like to see the ‘Stump For Trump’ sisters, Diamond and Silk…

    join up with the Columbian woman, Myriam and a few of her Latino/Hispanic friends from her neighborhood…
    —————————–
    The Sisters are spiffing up their website, have more videos and are taking donations. I gave them the one I had budgeted for Hillary.

  84. pm317

    I share my birthday with Hillary and we are both Scorpios, yay! Joking, nothing to it.

    ———
    Same here, but my B-day is Halloween, so I might be part Scorp and part spooky. (y)

  85. jb

    Awesome song selection Shadowfax


    I like that one too and ran across this one that I haven’t heard in a long time. Tried to think of a political reason to post it for you, but since I couldn’t think of any…I will just post it for you for the heck of it. :star:

    https://youtu.be/C39kQoprfP0

  86. Lu4Puma

    thanks for reminding me…here is the youtube of today’s rally in Georgia…sound is alittle off but full of energy

  87. Donald is right about one thing for sure…

    the media rarely does long shots of his events so you can see all the people that are there, and if they do they try to zoom in on empty seats way in the back…they keep the camera focused on him at the podium so you can’t see the people

    I’m surprised they don’t try to silence the applause so it sounds like no one is there…that’s next I suppose…

    they used to do the same thing to Hillary but would always pan the whole vast crowd for O to cheering people

    very misleading and such cheats…that’s our media

    ………………….

  88. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/10/declassified-cia-report-concluded-director-mccone-led-cover-up-kennedy/?intcmp=hpbt2
    ——–
    I used to caddy for McCone at Seattle Golf Club which is our most exclusive course. This was in the 1966-1968 time frame. He married the widow of the president of Pacific Car and Foundry, which makes the Kenworth and Peterbilt trucks. My assessment of John, this was of course as a kid, but my assessment of him was he was an admirable guy.

  89. Obamian justice.

    Kunduz: Pentagon to pay compensation over Afghan hospital bombing
    US military says it will address consequences of ‘tragic incident’, which killed at least 22 staff and patients of Doctors Without Borders
    snip
    “The Department of Defence believes it is important to address the consequences of the tragic incident,” said Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook, adding that US Forces-Afghanistan (USFOR-A) also had the authority to pay for repairs to the hospital.
    “One step the department can take is to make condolence payments to civilian non-combatants injured and the families of civilian non-combatants killed as a result of US military operations.”
    Cook said USFOR-A would determine “appropriate payments” through discussions with those affected.
    snip
    theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/kunduz-pentagon-to-pay-compensation-over-afghan-hospital-bombing

    one helluva cold cold heart.

  90. Drug Price Gouging a Product of Our Political System
    Tweet Comment
    If Hollywood had created Martin Shkreli as the monster from Wall Street, we would have accused it of unfair characterization. But Shkreli — a 32-year-old hedge fund director in T-shirts, dabbler in the punk rock music world — has saved Tinseltown the trouble.

    Shkreli has also done the American people a service by showing in high def how the pharmaceutical industry gouges us. The pharmaceutical industry is angry with him for the same reason.

    Drugmakers prefer a subtler approach. Do it quietly and with a touch more nuance. For example, the day Valeant Pharmaceuticals acquired two heart drugs, it raised the prices for them by only 525 percent and 212 percent.

    That was a model of self-control next to Shkreli’s instant 5,455 percent price hike on a 62-year-old lifesaving drug. This wasn’t a good visual for the industry. The audio wasn’t so hot, either.

    To recap, Shkreli’s startup company recently bought the marketing rights to Daraprim and proceeded to raise the price from $13.50 a pill to $750 a pill. (It used to cost $1 a pill.) Daraprim is often the last hope for cancer patients and others with weak immune systems suffering from parasitic infections.

    Some Shkreli decoders explained that his drug company raised prices to recoup the $55 million it had just spent for the rights to sell Daraprim. Thing is, the $55 million acquisition price for a drug serving a relatively small number of patients seemed justified by the belief that one could raise the per-pill cost more than fiftyfold overnight. You can only get away with that in the United States, but we’re a big, big market.

    No other industrialized country lets drugmakers pick prices out of thin air and assume patients, insurers and taxpayers will somehow come up with the ransom. The U.S. setup comes courtesy of our lawmakers in Washington, above all our Republican lawmakers.

    In the Valeant case, Sen.

    Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent seeking the Democratic presidential nod, demanded documents defending the price increases. Valeant said no, that such information is “highly proprietary and confidential.” Wouldn’t it just.
    Governments elsewhere, however far to the left or right, see negotiating drug prices for their people as a duty of leadership. The United States does little of that. In fact, the law establishing the Medicare prescription drug benefit specifically forbids the government to negotiate drug prices.

    Let’s talk about markets, OK? We believe in a market system, buyers negotiating prices with sellers, right? U.S. taxpayers fund 73 percent of the Medicare drug benefit. They are the buyers.

    But in our skewed political language, Republicans denounce proposals to have the federal government negotiate Medicare drug prices as an attack on our allegedly free-market system. Somehow letting the taxpayers defend their interests is “socialism.”

    It is true Medicare beneficiaries obtain drug coverage through private insurers who do negotiate prices. And it is true that, as Republicans say, the Medicare drug program is costing less than originally projected. But this is a shell game.

    The relevant comparison is what the drug benefit costs next to what it would have cost had the government been allowed to bargain on prices. Taxpayers could save up to $16 billion a year if Medicare did the negotiating, according to a recent estimate in The Wall Street Journal.

    The week Shkreli revealed the creepy reality of drug pricing, Hillary Clinton issued a proposal to curb “profiteering” by the drug industry. Biotech stocks promptly took a hit on Wall Street.

    That hedge funder let the cat out, for sure, and it will be screeching right through Halloween. Some boys are so bad they do good.

    https://www.creators.com/liberal/froma-harrop/drug-price-gouging-a-product-of-our-political-system.html

  91. Drug Price Gouging a Product of Our Political System

    If Hollywood had created Martin Shkreli as the monster from Wall Street, we would have accused it of unfair characterization. But Shkreli — a 32-year-old hedge fund director in T-shirts, dabbler in the punk rock music world — has saved Tinseltown the trouble.

    Shkreli has also done the American people a service by showing in high def how the pharmaceutical industry gouges us. The pharmaceutical industry is angry with him for the same reason.

    Drugmakers prefer a subtler approach. Do it quietly and with a touch more nuance. For example, the day Valeant Pharmaceuticals acquired two heart drugs, it raised the prices for them by only 525 percent and 212 percent.

    That was a model of self-control next to Shkreli’s instant 5,455 percent price hike on a 62-year-old lifesaving drug. This wasn’t a good visual for the industry. The audio wasn’t so hot, either.

    To recap, Shkreli’s startup company recently bought the marketing rights to Daraprim and proceeded to raise the price from $13.50 a pill to $750 a pill. (It used to cost $1 a pill.) Daraprim is often the last hope for cancer patients and others with weak immune systems suffering from parasitic infections.

    Some Shkreli decoders explained that his drug company raised prices to recoup the $55 million it had just spent for the rights to sell Daraprim. Thing is, the $55 million acquisition price for a drug serving a relatively small number of patients seemed justified by the belief that one could raise the per-pill cost more than fiftyfold overnight. You can only get away with that in the United States, but we’re a big, big market.

    No other industrialized country lets drugmakers pick prices out of thin air and assume patients, insurers and taxpayers will somehow come up with the ransom. The U.S. setup comes courtesy of our lawmakers in Washington, above all our Republican lawmakers.

    In the Valeant case, Sen.

    Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent seeking the Democratic presidential nod, demanded documents defending the price increases. Valeant said no, that such information is “highly proprietary and confidential.” Wouldn’t it just.
    Governments elsewhere, however far to the left or right, see negotiating drug prices for their people as a duty of leadership. The United States does little of that. In fact, the law establishing the Medicare prescription drug benefit specifically forbids the government to negotiate drug prices.

    Let’s talk about markets, OK? We believe in a market system, buyers negotiating prices with sellers, right? U.S. taxpayers fund 73 percent of the Medicare drug benefit. They are the buyers.

    But in our skewed political language, Republicans denounce proposals to have the federal government negotiate Medicare drug prices as an attack on our allegedly free-market system. Somehow letting the taxpayers defend their interests is “socialism.”

    It is true Medicare beneficiaries obtain drug coverage through private insurers who do negotiate prices. And it is true that, as Republicans say, the Medicare drug program is costing less than originally projected. But this is a shell game.

    The relevant comparison is what the drug benefit costs next to what it would have cost had the government been allowed to bargain on prices. Taxpayers could save up to $16 billion a year if Medicare did the negotiating, according to a recent estimate in The Wall Street Journal.

    The week Shkreli revealed the creepy reality of drug pricing, Hillary Clinton issued a proposal to curb “profiteering” by the drug industry. Biotech stocks promptly took a hit on Wall Street.

    That hedge funder let the cat out, for sure, and it will be screeching right through Halloween. Some boys are so bad they do good.

    https://www.creators.com/liberal/froma-harrop/drug-price-gouging-a-product-of-our-political-system.html

  92. Shadowfax, we have great musical taste at this site…you can’t go wrong with anything on “Sticky Fingers”. Anyway, it is my birthday in 5 minutes so I consider it a birthday gift-thanks….53 and counting.

  93. An interesting piece of news. Lets see if it has some legs….

    Ex-Benghazi investigator says U.S. panel targeted Clinton: media

    From article…..{EXCERPTS MINE}

    A former investigator for the House of Representatives Select Committee on Benghazi is accusing the Republican-led panel of targeting Democrat Hillary Clinton to scupper her presidential bid, the New York Times and CNN reported on Saturday.

    They said Major Bradley Podliska, an intelligence officer in the Air Force Reserve on active duty in Germany, alleged that he was fired for resisting pressure to focus his investigation into the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi on Clinton’s role. They said he planned to file a complaint in federal court next month.

    …..

    “Contrary to his brand new assertion, the employee actually was terminated, in part, because he himself manifested improper partiality and animus in his investigative work. The Committee vigorously denies all of his allegations,” a committee spokesperson said in a statement.

    The committee has come under criticism since Representative Kevin McCarthy, the No. 2 House Republican who had been expected to become speaker of the House, suggested in a television interview last week that the taxpayer-funded investigation into Benghazi was designed to hurt Clinton as she seeks the Democratic presidential nomination.

    McCarthy later said he had not meant to suggest the committee’s purpose had been to harm the former secretary of state’s chance of winning the November 2016 election. On Thursday McCarthy bowed out of the Speaker race, leaving the Republicans in disarray.

    Saturday’s reports on Podliska drew sharp reactions from Democrats.

    “These are extremely serious whistleblower charges … Republicans have been abusing millions of taxpayer dollars for the illegitimate purpose of damaging Hillary Clinton’s bid for president,” Representative Elijah Cummings, ranking Democrat on the committee, said in a statement.

    “Even before Kevin McCarthy’s comments laid bare the true intent of the committee, it’s been clear that Secretary Clinton has been the true target of this investigation. It’s time to shut down the Benghazi Select Committee,” Representative Adam Schiff of California said in a statement.

    On Wednesday, Democratic Representative Alan Grayson of Florida filed an ethics complaint against McCarthy and the committee’s chairman, Trey Gowdy, saying that federal funds for the Benghazi committee were being used for political purposes.

    Read more at http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/us-usa-clinton-benghazi-idUSKCN0S40ZC20151010

    Now the correct campaign, and overall political, move would be to tie this to the email scandal. All of those worthless spokespeople that can’t formulate sentences, should inundate the MSM with daily quotes tying Benghazi to the email scandal. Then Hillary needs to do a few interviews where that is all she talks about. Every question about email should be answered with a reference to this.

    That said, this is a little bit of good news for Hillary 2016.

    Hillary 2016?

  94. jbstonesfan
    October 10, 2015 at 11:55 pm

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    Happy Birthday, young whipper snapper!!!

    Hillary 2016?

  95. Washington seems unable to do anything at present. The Republican inability to lead an impeachment is matched by the impotence of the president and his party actually get anything done. Obama’s failures have not only created a crisis abroad, they have created a crisis at home in the form of political paralysis.

    At least the Republicans are in the process of determining, through the process of rebellion, what the future of their party will be. The Democrats are a long way from resurrection, having yet to die as a party, though they have managed to rot. For the moment, both wings of the Washington elite are out of money, credibility and moves. It will take some time to shake things out.

    At a time of world crisis events there is nothing but the sight of exhausted political fighters, shambling around the canvass throwing slow motion punches at the air, with all thoughts of a knockout gone, straining every effort to stay on their feet until the bell rings. Nobody really knows what to do know but dance the same old, same old and hope for the best. A speech here, an investigation there, a talk show every now and again. The difference is that it doesn’t seem to work any more.

    It’s possible events have taken the world beyond anybody’s control, with bad actors still rushing into the fray expecting restraint only to find none and in their surprise becoming engaged beyond their limit. What is certain is a growing number of observers are slowly becoming aware of the rising wind, growing in fury all the time. Ferguson still thinks the system can ride it out. He says if “this president has sown the wind. His successor will reap the whirlwind.” But the necessary question is “how big is this whirlwind”? Otherwise the successor will be in for it.

    That is question no one has an answer to.

    If the whirlwind is too big future historians will regard the tragedy of the SS El Faro, a large American crewed cargo ship which sank under Hurricane Joaquin in October 1, 2015 as a metaphor for the age. A ship the size of the El Faro should ordinarily have survived even Joaquin. What doomed the ship was the loss of propulsion at the time it needed it most.

    Around 7:30 a.m. on October 1, less than 30 hours after the ship sailed from Jacksonville, the United States Coast Guard received a satellite notification that the vessel had lost propulsion, taken on water—though flooding was contained at the time of the message—and had a 15-degree list. According to TOTE, the loss of propulsion is what ultimately sealed the fate of the El Faro, leaving the vessel helpless within the approaching hurricane.

    That is the precise problem with the West. It is now dead in the water with the captain unwilling to admit it will not answer the bell, nor even to confess that he cannot read the compass. There is the sound of boilermen fighting in the engine-room over who will be chief engineer. The European passengers, alarmed by this state of affairs, are milling about the deck. Now to top it off, an eminent navigator has been over the skipper’s charts and reports to the surprised passengers that he has puzzled out the “real destination” of the ship. It is not San Juan, Puerto Rico but the Bermuda Triangle where the Worker’s Paradise and the Fountain of Youth may be found.

  96. The second discovery Ferguson made was that Obama was not out to merely repudiate Bush, but to deliberately undo Ronald Reagan, indeed dismantle the entire postwar edifice from Harry Truman onward. He had a vision of restoring the world to its paradisal state before Western meddling:“to create the international coalition and atmosphere in which people across sectarian lines are willing to compromise and are willing to work together in order to provide the next generation a fighting chance for a better future.” Some would regard this approach as risky. Hence it buried beneath layers of misdirection.

    Ferguson describes the moment when the scales dropped from his eyes:

    I now see, however, that there is more to it than that.

    The president always intended to repudiate more than George W. Bush’s foreign policy. In a 2012 presidential debate with Mitt Romney, Mr. Obama made clear that he was turning away from Ronald Reagan, too. “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back,” he jeered, “because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”

    The third point Ferguson makes is that while Obama succeeded in carrying out his real doctrine under the breezy banner of we “don’t do stupid sh–” the results were the opposite of his expectations. Instead of Paradise Lost it was a case of Hades Found.

    It is clear that the president’s strategy is failing disastrously. Since 2010, total fatalities from armed conflict in the world have increased by a factor of close to four, according to data from the International Institute of Strategic Studies. Total fatalities due to terrorism have risen nearly sixfold, based on the University of Maryland’s Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism database. Nearly all this violence is concentrated in a swath of territory stretching from North Africa through the Middle East to Afghanistan and Pakistan. And there is every reason to expect the violence to escalate as the Sunni powers of the region seek to prevent Iran from establishing itself as the post-American hegemon. …

    Today the U.S. faces three strategic challenges: the maelstrom in the Muslim world, the machinations of a weak but ruthless Russia, and the ambition of a still-growing China. The president’s responses to all three look woefully inadequate.

    Things are now so bad the media are now actually talking about the possibility of accidentally stumbling into World War 3.

  97. These quotes from Richard Fernandez citing in one instance the findings of one of our premier thinker Nial Ferguson embody what I see in Obama and his administration. Sad to say, we ARE on the road to national ruin, and all I can tell you is I have seen it before. In my case, Deutsche Post took over the company I worked for, installed an incompetent management team dba DHL, paid a billion dollars for the company, lost 10 billion over the next five years, and then shut the company down cause 15,000 employees to lost their jobs, and devastating the town of Willmington Ohio, where our air hub was located. Incompetence and corrupt visions destroy individuals, companies, ergo why should it be any different when it comes to nations. The only cure I see is someone like Trump. In time, we may be able to make this nation great again under his leadership, and the best minds on wall street. But for now, the categorical imperative is to simply stop the bleeding. Much depends on whether Paul Ryan gets the speakership. If he does, then he will support Obama on amnesty, and everything else. And far from tamping down the base, he will cause open revolt. He is an agent of the elites and a globalist.

  98. The reason I keep harping on the need to spread the coming misery to the elites as well as the rest of us is because since time immemorial they have shirked their obligations to throw in with the rest of us to fight the great battles that we face as a nation. Since the civil war they have been famous for buying their way out of military service, and in a million other ways, they seek to insulate themselves from the disasters which flow inevitably from their policies of self enrichment and let the people eat cake. The only way to reign them in is by restructuring the incentives in such a way where if we lose they lose in direct proportion to their wealth. That is the only way to remove them from this globalist agenda, and force them to think once again in terms of what is best for this nation. Who knows. The way this thing is shaping up, I may yet get my wish.

  99. Most of us saw the Carl Icahn video that was posted here by me and by others. You should note that he finds the corruption that is destroying our future in two places: our political system, and–no less, in the board rooms of our largest corporations. That observation applies in spades to our financial industry, which has successfully socialized the losses created by the 2008 crash, which was the direct result of their avarice, while privatizing–and arrogating to themselves the profits derived through the recovery. Knowing this, Carl maintains that it will take Trump–or someone like him to chase these corrupt people who sacrifice the public interest for their own greed from the temple. And, at this point, there is no one but Trump who is capable of performing that role. I told a friend of mine last night that I have volunteered from the Trump campaign, and his comment was, then you have abandoned your support for Ted Cruz, to which I responded only because Ted cannot seem to get the attention I had hoped he would, and big media would crucify him. Trump on the other hand head hunts big media, and the country is starting to realize how corrupt those people are. When Glenn Greenwald calls them a bunch of courtier currying favor with the administration rather than honest journalists nobody hear him. But when Trump says the same thing million of people hear it and know the truth. And speaking of that, I think of lovely Dana Bash calling anyone who contemplates shutting down government to rein in Obama a bomb thrower. From her high perch, it is much better that government should shut down the people, rather than the people shutting down government. And therein lies the problem.

  100. TheRock
    October 11, 2015 at 12:34 am
    An interesting piece of news. Lets see if it has some legs….

    ———————————-

    Most of us know this was going on, and this crap is why politics is a stinking business.

    I hate the Republicans –
    I hate the Democrats –
    I hate the media, both sides –
    I hate the racial bs that the Obama’s have caused

    I am not in a good political mood!

  101. Most of us know this was going on, and this crap is why politics is a stinking business.

    I hate the Republicans –
    I hate the Democrats –
    I hate the media, both sides –
    I hate the racial bs that the Obama’s have caused

    I am not in a good political mood!
    __________________________

    I’m right there with you, Shadow. I also have no respect for those with Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Ken Starr’s “baby boy” Trey is probably going to end up seeing his likely carefully made plans to advance do just the opposite and he may go down in history as just another Starr panty sniffing, TAX PAYER WASTED MONEY witch hunter who will do anything to advance the Reps and a highly, highly partisan Republican guy no matter how good of a lawyer he was or is. I’d think if ol Trey does not provide an indictment or jail time for Hillary and if she is not totally knocked out of the election, the RINOS and establishment Reps who have no doubt been whispering in his ear will drop him like a hot rock and his career will advance no further. Ken Starr does not hold a vaulted position in history for his behavior and right now I’m so mad at that type of Republican that I hope Gowdy gets his name linked to Starr’s as just partisan hacks forever.

    And I won’t even start on the Dems right now but BO and his thugs are absolutely horrible.

  102. Southern Born
    October 11, 2015 at 12:48 pm
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    Maybe there is an academic opening for him at Pepperdine Law School (where Starr became dean)

    You are making some quantum leaps relating to Trey, but you may indeed be right. For example, today there Mr. Taptoes (a highly overrated guy) has an interview with a committee underling—a major, hardly a senior member. He was fired from his job, which taints his testimony all other things being equal. He claims that the committee has departed from its supposed mandate and is going after Hillary. Of course, he may be lying, and we can safely assume that black racist Elija Cummings is doing exactly that, which comes rather natural to him, in which case the contention that this has become a witch hunt falls apart. But if that is all there is, then how does one explain the apparent failure of the Republican committeemembers to focus on why Obama failed to give the order to save the troops. He claims he did, but of course there is incontrovertible proof that he did not, so why isn’t he the focal point of this investigation. I can tell you than answer to that question right now. He freezes up when major decisions need to be made to save the country. And that is because, exactly as Nial Ferguson points out, he is focused on dismantling the entire post World War structure, removing the United States from the enforcement role, and setting up the UN as the superannuated judicial legislative and executive body, and putting its edicts beyond the reach of democratic majorities in affected countries. For the American People this can only represent a race to the bottom, and the only remedy is to make certain that if that scenario plays out, the elites are not permitted to escape that fate by boarding their gold plated lifeboats stuffed to the brim with champagne and caviar. Since Obama should be the focal point of this investigation because he is, after all, the commander-in-chief the decision to ignore him and focus on Hillary must be deemed “political”, since by January 2017 he will be nothing more than a terminal hangover for a nation drunk on the failed promise of hope and change. I would urge anyone who is interested to read the Nial Ferguson article for further detail on why Obama has reaped the whirlwind, etc.–what perverted thoughts occupy his brain.

  103. Twitter is beginning to bare talons against Donald. AP has a couple. CBS, Huffin. Maybe Jeb candidacy has been claimed unresponsive and DJT cannot look like the clear winner?

  104. “Since Obama should be the focal point of this investigation because he is, after all, the commander-in-chief the decision to ignore him and focus on Hillary must be deemed “political”…
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    Yes, indeed, Wbb, that is exactly what I think. If the Benghazi committee were not partisan, why have they not dug into Panetta as Sec. of Defense, how about really checking on Gen Petraus at CIA and what was going on there but then Petraus got shut down seemingly by BO when his affair was outted. How about digging into where and what BO was doing? The Reps are suddenly SO wild about that horrible Hillary and her emails yet they have turned a blind eye over and over the past 7 years to all that Obama has done to bring down the country….”Nothing to see there, folks, but, oh that Hillary Clinton!”

    When Gowdy and his committee totally focused on Hillary’s emails, it felt like it was repeat of the Ken Starr mess with the Reps doing anything to bring down a Clinton.

    Wbb, Nial Ferguson has written a good article about Henry Kissinger as Sec. of State. Have you read it? If not I’ll try to find it and post it. Hillary may be an innocent little lamb compared to Kissinger.

  105. Any Benghazi finding against Hillary is tainted by the lack of investigation and accountability of Obola. If you look at the whole dirty business, it is as if Obola is a Republican.

  106. wbboei
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    That is what has got me rootin’ for Putin. They are giving him hell in Syria. But Trump has a very practical point of view on it. The UN is shaping up like a pack of rabid dogs. The whole world appears to have descended into chaos, like it has a bad case of Obola. It’s about the leadership.

    The central banks know what is in store for them and are now looking to redirect blame. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-11/g-30-group-central-bankers-warn-they-can-no-longer-save-world :

    Central bank policies since the outbreak of the crisis have made a crucial contribution to restoring the appearance of financial stability.

    Nevertheless, for this appearance to become a reality, underlying problems rooted in very high debt levels must be resolved if global growth is to be more sustainably restored.
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    No $#it, Sherlock. Too bad they did not point that out to our world leaders, earlier.

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