#GOPDebate – The Trump Show – Who’s Zooming Who???

Open thread: The classiest, most luxurious debate ever. Is this true? It certainly will be a real life Celebrity Apprentice. The question to be answered is whether Donald Trump is the apprentice or whether he will school the other candidates.

After tonight we’ll have some idea of who. We’ll also have an idea of what. Who will stand out? What issues will determine the course of the evening of the campaign?

After tonight we will know if Scott Walker is just a Wisconsin hot-house flower or if he can play nationally. What about Ted Cruz? What Trump spoke to Bill Clinton about? Why Jeb Bush is such a little backstabber who says nasty things behind Trump’s back? Will Bush dare insult Trump to his face?

Here we go. Snide comments and brilliant observations in the comments section.

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  1. It opens with an attack on Trump. Will he pledge to not run third party and support the nominee? Trump says “no”.

  2. Rand Paul attacks Trump. Calls Trump a businessman who buys politicians. Ties Trump to the Clintons. Trump responds he will not take the pledge that it matters who the nominee is. Some applause for Trump followed by boos.

  3. An attack on Carson is next. What the Hell is this outsider doing running for president? Carson says what you need is a brain.

  4. Marco Rubio is told to attack Jeb Bush as to why Marco is better as president than Bush. Marco talks about everything else. He says Hillary wins a resume contest.

    Rubio says he is a nominee of the future.

    Bush next. Another Bush in the Oval office? Bush says he will earn it and run with heart. Proud of his dad and brother. Talks of his record. Ignores the question. Says “I’m my own man.” Says he’s conservative.

  5. Attack on Trump. All the nasty things Trump has said about women and their looks. Trump jokes that he’s only said nasty things about Rosie O’Donnell. Kelly says that is not true.

    Trump says he does not have time, the country does not have time for political correctness. Trump threatens Kelly. Says we need brains, quickness and energy to run this country.

    This was a hot exchange.

  6. they want to trap Donald with every freaking gothcha they can

    he goes for the big picture and big problems

  7. Cruz next: Why are you such a divisive figure? Cruz says, it’s the truth! Denounces career politicians who get in bed with lobbyists. Reminds the country we are trillions in debt. Republicans don’t honor their commitments. I will always tell the truth.

  8. Christie next: Your economic record stinks says Bret Baier. You can’t handle the economy of NJ how can you handle U.S. economy? Christie responds how he improved the NJ economy. Lots of facts and figures. Is proud of how he brought NJ back.

  9. compared to the questions the others are getting so far, they gave Jeb a softball…got to see if this becomes a trend…

  10. Walker next: You want to make abortion illegal says Kelly. Are you too out of the mainstream. Walker says he is pro-life. Will protect the unborn and the mother of that child. Attacks Hillary support of Planned Parenthood.

    Huckabee next. Pro-life and anti gay marriage is a killer in election. Huckabee says he will invoke the 5th and 14th amendments to protect the personhood of the unborn.

  11. Paul next. You blamed ISIS on Republican hawks. Paul responds that ISIS is to blame. But we should not arm allies of ISIS. ISIS has American made weapons.

    Kasich next: You expanded Medicaid for ObamaCare and Medicaid is over budget. You cited Saint Peter as your rationale. Kasich says he used money to treat mentally ill and rehab for drug addicts. Praises his economic record overall.

  12. Gov Kaisich (sp) is demonstrating that running a state is more than just soundbites. Not a horrible answer from the gov.

    Hillary 2016?

  13. Illegal Immigration question to Bush: “act of love”. Bush says he stands by his statement. Wrote a book about this. E-verify is a must. Eliminate sanctuary cities. Much to do. Obama uses this as a wedge issue I will solve the problem with earned legal status.

    Mexican government sends drug dealers to US says Trump. Tell Bush why you are right. Share your proof. Trump says if it wasn’t for me you would not be talking about illegal immigration. Calls reporters an dishonest bunch. Trump says we need to build a wall. We need to build a wall and keep illegals out.

    Wallace says what is your evidence that drug dealers come here. Trump says our politicians are stupid and Mexican government sends drug dealers over. I know this because I have been to the border.

  14. Jeb smart to go after bumbles the idiot. TRUMP IS BALLIN!!!!!!! And he is going after the press!!!! Not an orater by any means, but truly speaking his mind!! DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE BOOOS!!!!

    Hillary 2016?

  15. anyone else get the feeling that after they opened with trying to put DT on defense with the pledge and then the misogyny question…that DT was thinking…”oh yeah, they want to play this game with me…well get ready”

  16. Chris Wallace goads Kasich to attack Trump on immigration. Kasich plays the smart move says that Trump is hitting a nerve and should be listened to. Praises his own record.

    Now, Wallace asks Rubio to attack Trump and what he said. Rubio says the majority come from Central America not Mexico. Rubio says he somewhat agrees with Kasich and that Trump addresses an important issue.

  17. Kaisich is angling for a cabinet position in whoever’s government is in power. GOP government that is….

    Hillary 2016?

  18. Wallace to Walker: you supported amnesty then you flip-flopped. Walker says I listen to the American people. I looked at what Obama did. I listened to the American people and realize the border must be secured. Fix the legal immigration system.

    Wallace to Cruz: Murder of Kate Steinle and issues surrounding. Cruz says he sponsored Kate’s law in Congress and the Republican leadership blocked him. Cruz says Obama wants to fundamentally transform this country with illegal immigration.

  19. Kelly to Christie: You blame Rand Paul for a future terrorist attack. Christie says I prosecuted terrorists so yes I blame Rand Paul. Recalls 9/11. Defend the country and protect civil liberties.

    Rand Paul responds: Collect records of terrorists not of innocent Americans. I stand for the Bill of Rights.

    Christie: Ridiculous answer. How are you supposed to know?

    Rand Paul: Get a warrant!

    Christie: Senators get to blow hot air like that.

    Rand Paul: You fundamentally misunderstand the Bill of Rights. I don’t trust Obama. You gave Obama a big hug go hug him again.

    Christie: I remember the hugs to families on 9/11. You use 9/11 for political gain.

  20. This debate style is garbage. This person said this about you. What do you say about that? That’s crap. Christie is making the point that political executives are more fit to lead than those in the Senate….

    Hillary 2016?

  21. How to destroy ISIS? Cruz says we need a president who tells the truth. Say “radical Islamic terrorism.” Cruz mocks the jobs based approach to destroy ISIS.

    Kelly: Isn’t it an ideological problem? Cruz, yes that’s why I propose to revoke citizenship from terrorists.

  22. Kelly to Bush: You struggled to answer the Iraq War question. How do you tell the families of the dead the war was a mistake?

    Bush: I called the families as governor to console them. Barack Obama abandoned Iraq. ISIS created because of the void Obama left.

  23. Kelly to Walker: Partners in the Middle East? Walker says Egypt. Obama has disengaged from Middle East.

    ? to Carson: Obama banned waterboarding. Carson says I was afraid I would never be heard from again. Says I would not broadcast what we do to get the necessary information. There is no such thing as a politically correct war. Use our military intellects to win war. Don’t tie their hands.

  24. ObamaCare. Wallace says Trump supported Canadian style health care.

    Trump says I was the only one who opposed the Iraq War. As to ObamaCare the Canadian system works as does the Scotland model. Get rid of the artificial lines. I will do that through a private system.

    Paul: You’re in the wrong party.

    Trump: You didn’t hear me. You’re having a hard time tonight.

    Wallace: You have to explain your donations to politicians to buy them.

    Trump: It’s a broken system. With Hillary Clinton she came to my wedding. I gave to her foundation. I did not know it was going to be used for travel.

    Walker: We need to talk about Hillary and how every where she went things got worse.

  25. Everyone out there can see the moderator’s are going after Trump with both guns blasting and gloves of. Bush.

  26. gonzotx…they are not really asking DT questions they are attacking him with a question and then welcoming the other candidates to go after him

    basically they ask the other candidates questions

  27. Wallace: Is the government to big to shrink? Huckabee says the donor class and the political class is the problem. The federal government places mandates on states. Power has to be shifted to the states. Get rid of the IRS.

    Carson: We need significant change. Base it on tithing. A proportional tax system. Get rid of deductions and loopholes.

  28. Common Core. Bush says he is for higher standards. End social promotion. School choice. A record of success.

    Why is Bush wrong Rubio? It should happen on the state and local level. The problem with Common Core is that the Department of Education will never be satisfied only to suggest. It will become a forced program.

    Bush: just make sure your standards are high. If states want to opt out they should.

  29. Bumbles the idiot is truly an idiot. For me to have VOTED for TWO platforms whose core beliefs are being demonstrated on stage tonight is mentally debilitating. The problem with the education system stems from the fact that it is looked at as a potential money-making entity. Tax cuts to fix EVERYTHING can not be the solution.

    Bumbles is a goof.

    Hillary 2016?

  30. Wallace to Kasich – Hillary will attack on rich, the future, war on women, etc.

    Kasich: my dad was a mailman. We have to be pro-growth. I balanced the budget in D.C. Economic growth is the key. Reach out to those in the shadows such as the minority community. Lift everybody up.

    Carson: I doubt Hillary will be the candidate. She is the epitome of the secular progressive movement. She counts on the uninformed. Alinsky tactics. I will educate people that progressive movement is the problem. If I wanted to destroy the country I would divide the country, get into debt, disengage from the world – that is what she is doing.

  31. Here is where the beginnings of the tie the results from bumbles to Hillary. This is why she should divorce herself from obunky!!

    Hillary 2016?

  32. Sorry

    Your right, definitely not asking questions to Trump but egging him on..
    Truthfully, he should have been better prepared for it.

  33. Sorry

    Your right, definitely not asking questions to Trump but egging him on..
    Truthfully, he should have been better prepared for it.

  34. Wallace: You promised 4% growth and 19 million jobs. How.

    Bush: We need high expectations. We need growth. Income is not growing. Fix the tax code. Fix regulations. Get rid of ObamaCare. Embrace energy revolution. Fix immigration system.

    To Walker: You promised to create many jobs and barely got half of what you wanted. Walker says I aimed high, not law. I’ve been elected 3 times. Hillary thinks you grow the economy by growing Washington. Get the government out of the way. Repeal ObamaCare. Get people the skills they need.

  35. admin
    August 6, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    Walker next: You want to make abortion illegal says Kelly. Are you too out of the mainstream. Walker says he is pro-life. Will protect the unborn and the mother of that child. Attacks Hillary support of Planned Parenthood.

    Huckabee next. Pro-life and anti gay marriage is a killer in election. Huckabee says he will invoke the 5th and 14th amendments to protect the personhood of the unborn.

    IIRC, the question had to with Walker previously saying that he doesn’t agree with abortion to save a mother’s life. I never heard him address that directly, he just said that a fetus is a human so it shouldn’t be killed. If he truly said previously that a mother’s life should be sacrificed in favor of a fetus who is not even self-sustaining (the logic of what he reportedly said), then he’s a sick puppy.

    And someone (can’t remember if it was Walker or Huckabee), said that with DNA, we now KNOW that a fetus is a human. I’m sorry, but I couldn’t stop laughing. I guess even though the only things that have ever come out are human, they had a small concern that sometime a woman could actually give birth to a dragon – or maybe a bunny rabbit??? ROFL well I needed that laugh!

  36. Awful questions and clearly trying to prop Bush and bring down Trump. Fox moderators looks like the “JV” squad.

  37. admin
    August 6, 2015 at 9:59 pm
    S, Big Media is the enemy. We can’t say that enough.
    ——–
    I have said that here AT LEAST 10,000 times.

    They are our biggest enemy.

    Bigger than any politician or party.

  38. screw christie, I pay into social security when I retire I should get it back, I don’t care how much money I have, if I work and save and invest for my nest egg so that I can enjoy my retirement why should I then be punished by not getting my SS

  39. Christie, you say you want to raise the Social Security age. Huckabee says no.

    Christie: Huckabee is wrong. On SS we need to phase the new age over 25 years. Means test it for those over $250,000. This problem will bankrupt our country.

    Huckabee: It would break a promise to American people. 60 million are on SS and 90% depend on that income. The government forced Americans to do this. Whose fault is it that the system is screwed up. Get rid of the government retirement systems before you cut Social Security. It is lying to the American People.

    Christie: Yeah, get rid of the congressional retirement program. But we can’t fix the problem just with that. Tell the truth.

    Huckabee: The problem is that less people are working and therefore less contribute to the SS system. Transform the system.

  40. Awful questions and clearly trying to prop Bush and bring down Trump. Fox moderators looks like the “JV” squad.
    ———
    Just as I told you.

    Just as Rupert Murdock wants.

    Just.

    There is no fucking mystery to any of this.

    I did not watch.

    I figured this was as good a time as any to let the folks in India repair the computer.

    But I did read your comments.

    Because after nearly eight years, I trust you all.

    But not big media.

  41. Another attack on Trump. Trump corporations have declared bankruptcy. You said “I used the law to my advantage.” Why should we trust you.

    Trump: I have used the laws of this country to do a great job for my company and my employees.

    Wallace: That’s your line…

    Trump: On 4 occasions I used the law to advantage. When somebody else uses the law no one says anything. I have a great company. Hundreds and hundreds of deals and only 4 had problems.

    Wallace: On Trump resorts you went bankrupt and others got hurt.

    Trump: These lenders are not innocents. I left Atlantic City when it was smart to do so. This country owes 19 trillion and they need someone like me to straighten out that mess.

  42. Every question to Trump is a “gotcha question” and truthfully he is not handling it that well…

  43. Small business:

    Rubio: Great question. The small companies are the ones struggling. Limit regulations. Repeal ObamaCare. Improve education system. Repeal Dodd-Frank.

  44. they do not want to give trump any questions that show his intelligence or strength…

    so later they can criticize him…

  45. Iran deal and Obama remarks tying Republicans to Islamic radicals.

    Video of Perry and Fiorina are shown.

    What if this deal is undone?

    Walker: I remember yellow ribbons for Iran hostages. This Iran deal is bad. Failed foreign policy of Obama/Clinton.

    Paul: I don’t discount negotiations from a position of strength. I would not release the sanctions until later.

    Huckabee: Obama trusts our enemies and vilifies those who disagree with him. We got nothing from this deal. Iran gets everything. Iran says we will wipe Israel out.

  46. Every question to Trump is a “gotcha question” and truthfully he is not handling it that well
    ————-
    This is not surprising either.

    In business life people do not attack him.

    Here he is unfair game.

    THE QUESTION IS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN, WHETHER WE CAN MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

    If the Murdocks of the world are able to get their candidate in–open borders, kill the middle class, global government

    Then the answer is a forgone conclusion.

    Thank god I am not 20.

    These fucking jamokes do not get it.

    All they want is bread and circuses.

  47. …at least donald will get to speak for himself in his closing statement…

    unless, that is, they do not allow him even that…

  48. I am sorry. I put Paul, Sweaters and the Huckster all in the same category.

    The first stage out of town.

    With lightfood Linsey tearing after that stage screaming Shane come back, dadddy loves you, mommie loves you, and good old Allen Ladd he just keeps riding into the sunset.

    Why do I hate that fucking Lindsey Graham—let me count the ways. Where’s Chief Scar when we need him. Lindsey’s scalp would look good on the walls of the Teepe.

  49. …they are going out of their way so Donald does not “look” Presidential…and they want to make the others look moreso next to him

    admin…I am surprised they didn’t ask him….”If he raped his wife”

  50. You are director of Bloomberg foundation which gives millions to Planned Parenthood.

    Bush: I have a good pro-life record as governor. I did not know where the money went.

    Rubio, you want rape and incest exemption on abortion?

    Rubio; that’s not my position. I am pro-life.

    Trump, you said you were for abortion and gun control and sound more like a Democrat as you call everyone else a clown? When did you become a Republican?

    Trump: I hate the concept of abortion. Ronald Reagan changed his mind too. I have evolved. I am a Republican. But I did not like what Jeb Bush’s brother did.

    Bush: I disagree with Trump because he is divisive. I have a good economic record. Triple A bond rating. Everybody rises. That’s how we win. I did not say those nasty things about Trump.

    Trump: I am very happy that you deny you said those nasty thing. But when you have people cutting heads off Christians you need to get the job done not worry about political correctness.

  51. How would you treat a child of your’s who is gay.

    Kasich: This is a plan to divide us. I went to a gay wedding. I will love my daughters unconditional loves and same to my friends and family.

    What about Christians who disagree with gay marriage?

    Rand Paul: No government should interfere in the practice of Christian belief. It is time to resist when the government intrudes in religious life.

  52. The most polished answers have consistently come from Walker. Yes, he makes my skin crawl, but the establishment would do well to tap into his calm and demeanor. He is a skilled politician in the political sense of the word.

    Hillary 2016?

  53. Tell me this:

    Who, other than Donald (and Ted) will speak for the middle class.

    The answer is: what the little boy shot at: not one fucking thing.

    The thing that gauls me is all this obsessing over whether he is a Republican.

    Shorn of the formalities only one question matters.

    Is he or she loyal to this country.

    Donald is.

    And that is what separates him from the herd.

  54. TheRock
    August 6, 2015 at 10:34 pm
    The most polished answers have consistently come from Walker. Yes, he makes my skin crawl, but the establishment would do well to tap into his calm and demeanor. He is a skilled politician in the political sense of the word.
    ——–
    Freddie Kruger.

    By the way Rock, how did Cruz do? The people I spoke with today were underwhelmed with his how to cook bacon on the barrel of an M-16.

  55. Gonzotx…you just know when they were putting the questions together that they all laughed and chuckled about asking that question but settled on sublimating thru questions more generalized towards women, etc

    wbboei…i don’t understand what you mean @ 10:27 pm

    this debate has convinced me that I will vote for Trump in the primary…

    btw…if any of you did not get a chance to view that link i posted last thread regarding the two fantastic AA women who are democrats but voting for Trump…please do not miss it…

    as Tony said…this Trump phenom is touching many people and the people feel protective towards Trump because we are sick of this manipulating media and brainwashing

  56. jbstonesfan
    August 6, 2015 at 10:29 pm
    Megan Kelley has proven she is a tool of the GOP establishment.
    ———-
    And an ugly one at that.

    An abuse of power is always ugly.

  57. OMG, Trump is not as fluent as these other politicians whose job is to talk and talk, unless if you are a stuttering Bush. But Trump needs to polish up.

  58. Iran.

    Trump: We have a president who does not have a clue. I would say he is incompetent but I won’t because it is not nice. We have people in Washington who do not have a clue.

    What is happening in Iran will destroy the world.

    Cyber war by China and Russia?

    Cruz: Leading from behind is a disaster. Radical Islam is on the rise, China, Al Quds the Iranian deal, cyber war. We need a new commander in chief that has credibility with our enemies.

    Obama’s “Syrian red line”?

    Carson: We have weakened ourselves militarily so much that it makes it difficult to deal with our problems. Our generals are retiring. Our enemies are increasing. Our friends are worried. I would shore up our military first.

    What if Russia starts to destabilize more countries?

    Walker: the Russians know more about Hillary’s server than congress. The Russians use Lenin “if you find mush you push.”

  59. pm317…DT is not getting as much time to talk about issues…they give in personal questions

    i wish DT had a chance to talk about Ocare 16 and explain what is going to happen, or jobs he will create, etc

    he is not getting the chance…

  60. Transgenders in military?

    Huckabee: the military is not a social experiment. The military under Obama is reduced by 25%. In Benghazi and the border the military should be prepared to answer but under Obama cannot.

    You cut all financial aid to Israel Senator Paul in your first budget?

    Paul: don’t send money to countries that hate us. Netanyahu knows Israel must stand on its own financial feet. We can’t borrow money from China to give to Israel. Don’t give away money we don’t have.

    Christie: I agree with Carson. Strengthen the military. 350 ship navy. That sends a clear message. But Israel is a priority that must be kept strong.

  61. They gave Ben Carson a lot of attention, LOL.. I didn’t like how he attacked Hillary, the smug bastard.

  62. wbboei

    August 6, 2015 at 10:38 pm
    ___________

    His answers have been good, just not polished. Intellectually, he is on par with George H. W. Bush, and it is easy to see how formidable in a one-on-one debate he would be. But with so much of the judgement by the American people in regards to their chief executive rely on smoothness and presence, he needs a bit of work in that arena…


  63. admin
    August 6, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    Black lives matter?

    Walker: Train police. Support the police. Treat everyone the same.

    and..

    TheRock
    August 6, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    The most polished answers have consistently come from Walker. Yes, he makes my skin crawl, but the establishment would do well to tap into his calm and demeanor. He is a skilled politician in the political sense of the word.

    It was a smooth answer, but he skirted the main issues of “black lives matter”. There are some cops who have made mistakes, but they kill more whites than blacks. It’s a fallacy that we have cops out to kill blacks. If they cared about black lives, those activists would be in the cities, working on the problem of 95% of blacks being killed by other blacks. That when blacks get killed by cops, the vast majority are not complying and are even charging and attacking the cops. In other words, “black lives matter” has a whole LOT to do with blacks fixing themselves, not blaming cops. So – his just throwing out an easy answer of watching cops was – just extremely political, IMO.

  64. wbboei…i don’t understand what you mean @ 10:27 pm
    ——-
    Southern born has been on my case about Megan Kelly.

    I thought she did a good job destroying Obama apparatchik like Billy boy Burton.

    But that is where it starts, stops and ends.

    She are going after Donald because he attacks the establishment of which she is a part.

    Her motives are crass and partisan.

    They have nothing to do with honest journalism.

    Give me Andrea Mitchell or Dana Bash any day of the week.

    They are left wing partisan hacks, but they are honest about it.

  65. Cruz did not get enough time to make a dent I think, Kasick will rise, Bush stays even , Trump, I really dont know, Huck even, Christie has lost his mojo, Paul has lost his mind, Carson did better than I thought he would, Walker neutral

  66. toss up… trump held up the questions were so biased, carson no personality, walker, kaisich, did well, goodbye christie, huckabee, cruz I just wanted to tell him shut up. bush nothing remarkable.

  67. S, DT is slow and not used to these political debate settings. Look how the others spew their talking points like there is no life after their allowed 1 minute. DT has no such urgency. I would give him a pass this time if he survives this. I didn’t think the questions were that bad — he tells them he disdains them and they want to show he is at their mercy.

  68. lorac
    August 6, 2015 at 10:50 pm
    __________

    So we agree. I never said that Walker gave any GOOD answers. He is just the most establishment quality politician.

    Hillary 2016?

  69. Really surprising how poor a job the moderators are doing..Kelly and Baier are awful. Wallace was a good journalist at one time but seems in a fog.

  70. Has God given you instructions:

    Cruz: Through scripture. I am the son of a pastor. My dad left me and my mom because he was a drunk. When he found God he came back. We need a consistent conservative to be president. I fight for religious liberty.

    Kasich: Dad was a mailman, my mom could barely speak English. I do believe in miracles. Restore common sense, economic growth, unite the country. Listen to other people and respect them. God wants America to succeed. Family, faith, friends.

    Walker: God asks us to do his will. 100,000 protestors against me but I did not respond.

    Kelly, talk about the veterans too.

    Rubio: God blessed America. Blesses veterans. We changed the law but the VA has not fired anyone who abused our veterans.

    Add race relations says Kelly to Carson.

    Carson: The bully pulpit must be used to fight the race-baiters. The color of skin does not make people who they are. We are the United States not the divided states.

  71. It was a smooth answer, but he skirted the main issues of “black lives matter”. There are some cops who have made mistakes, but they kill more whites than blacks. It’s a fallacy that we have cops out to kill blacks. If they cared about black lives, those activists would be in the cities, working on the problem of 95% of blacks being killed by other blacks. That when blacks get killed by cops, the vast majority are not complying and are even charging and attacking the cops. In other words, “black lives matter” has a whole LOT to do with blacks fixing themselves, not blaming cops. So – his just throwing out an easy answer of watching cops was – just extremely political, IMO.
    ———
    You can study martial arts all your life, and practice it in matches. But when you are confronted with real danger on the street, and your heart beat reaches a certain level, regardless of how well you have been trained the mind will shut down. We are talking about heartbeat rates that are beyond the fight or flight response. Experts who have studied all the martial arts know this. They try to teach some very simple fundamental moves to deter attackers, but they know even those will not work–even for Bruce Lee, who happens to be buried two miles from where I live. The point is, cops are more likely to encounter these situations than the rest of us. But they are still human beings. And when the primal response kicks in, tunnel vision and survival take over. And beyond that–nothing. So when we say black lives matter, the rebuttal should be yes they do, but in more instances than not , cops are saving black lives from black or hispanic thugs as we now see on the streets of LA, and when they are placed under enough stress, training cannot avail them.

  72. Carson and Kaisch did well

    I think fair minded people can see that Trump was under attack by the moderators…and it did not happen by ‘chance’…it was orchestrated

  73. Closing statements:

    Kasich: 18 years on national security committee. Then budget committee. 10 years in public sector. I turned Ohio around. The state is unified and there is hope in Ohio.

    Christie: Middle class family. Breyers Ice Cream factory is where my father worked. I am conservative pro-life governor in blue state. Stop worrying about being loved and worry about being respected.

    Paul: I’m a different type of Republican. I’ve been to Ferguson and Chicago. I lead Hillary in 5 states.

    Rubio: Cuban parents born poor. They gave me a chance. The essence of the American dream. We can expand the American dream. Make America greater than it has ever been.

    Cruz: My first day will be to rescind every executive order of Obama; prosecute Planned Parenthood; cancel Iran deal, move American embassy to Jerusalem.

    Carson: I separate Siamese Twins. I remove brains but someone in Washington beat me to it. I will fight for our next generation.

    Huckabee: This election has been about someone who does not know how to govern and I am talking about Hillary. America is in trouble but we can be again One Nation Under God.

    Walker: One wife, two kids, a Harley. Normal. Took on the union bosses and won. Won the recall. Won the reelection. It’s not too late for America.

    Bush: Washington is holding us back. Broken immigration system. Reform entitlement system. Politicians in Washington use wedge issues.

    Trump: Our country is in serious trouble. We don’t beat China, Japan, Mexico in trade. Our vets have to be taken care of. Repeal ObamaCare. I will do that. Thank you.

  74. Trump should have been ready for that first set up question about running as a third party….total set up to isolate and make him look disloyal to party.

  75. Rubio: Cuban parents born poor. They gave me a chance. The essence of the American dream. We can expand the American dream. Make America greater than it has ever been.
    ——–
    How mawkish:

    mawkish= oversentimental, maudlin, cloying, sickly, saccharine, sugary, oversweet, syrupy, nauseating.

  76. Rubio’s father was a bar tender and believe me I needed several drinks to get through that charade tonight.

  77. jbstonesfan
    August 6, 2015 at 11:16 pm
    lol..he is dominating the “Drudge” poll..
    ———
    I am shocked.

    My world is toppling.

    What’s the use of being a pundit if people do not listen to you?

    They are just not smart enough to realize how clever these big media types are.

    Of course, if the tables were turned, if you took away their script and sat them in the witness box.

    And tore them limb from limb on the subject of journalistic malpractice.

    Damned few of them would survive.

  78. I finally got to see the debate on Newsweek online. The only thing the debate captured were gotcha questions and gave no time for any substance answers.

    The debate as a whole, sucked.

    I am glad that Trump raised his hand at the first question and didn’t back down once.

    He might not be a polished bullshitter, but being pc or a straight shooter…I would pick the latter any day of the week.

    The media will never say Trump is the winner of the debate, lets see what the American voter thinks.

  79. TheRock – yes, we do agree. It’s just a subject that riles me up. Activists and media lying and getting people injured and killed…..

  80. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/06/trump_to_megyn_kelly_i_dont_have_time_for_political_correctness_and_neither_does_this_country.html

    MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS CHANNEL: Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don’t use a politician’s filter. However that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women. You’ve called women you don’t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. Your twitter account–

    DONALD TRUMP: Only Rosie O’Donnell.

    KELLY: For the record, it was well beyond Rosie O’Donnell.

    TRUMP: I’m sure it was.

    KELLY: Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contesttent that it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees.

    Does that sound like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?

    And how do you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who is likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?

    TRUMP: The big problem this country has is being politically correct. I’ve been challenged by so many people and I don’t frankly have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn’t have time either. This country is in big trouble. We don’t win anymore. We lose to China, we lose to Mexico both in trade and at the border. We lose to everybody. Frankly what I say and oftentimes it’s fun, it’s kidding, we have a good time. What I say is what I say. And honestly, Megyn if you don’t like it, I’m sorry. I’ve been very nice to you although I could probably not be based on the way you have treated me, but I wouldn’t do that. But you know what? We, we need strength, we need energy, we need quickness and we need brain in this country to turn it around. That I can tell you right now.

  81. The DrudgeReport poll is interesting not only because Trump is doing so well. Usually the Rand Paul types win these Drudge polls because they are very active on the internet. But not tonight. Trump is the runaway favorite of DrudgeReport readers.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/now.htm

  82. By the way Rock, how did Cruz do?

    Cruz was Cruz, but went nearly an hour without being asked a question. I think he was asked three questions plus a closing statement.

    He changed up his closing statement. Used it to list the first four things he would do the first day in the White House:

    1) Revoke all of Obama’s unconstitutional executive orders.

    2) Instruct the Justice Deparment to begin criminal investigations into Planned Parenthood’s trafficking in baby parts.

    3) Issue orders ensuring religious freedom.

    4) Move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

  83. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/chuck-schumer-opposes-iran-deal-121128.html?hp=t1_r

    Chuck Schumer will oppose Iran deal

    The statement is published in the middle of the first GOP presidential primary debate.

    New York Sen. Chuck Schumer announced late Thursday that he would oppose the Obama administration’s nuclear deal with Iran – denying the White House a powerful Senate Democratic vote as the administration lobbies for support to protect the agreement.

    In a statement that was published in the middle of the first GOP presidential primary debate, Schumer warned that the “very real risk that Iran will not moderate and will, instead, use the agreement to pursue its nefarious goals is too great.”

    “Therefore, I will vote to disapprove the agreement, not because I believe war is a viable or desirable option, nor to challenge the path of diplomacy,” Schumer said in a nearly 1,600-word statement posted on Medium. “It is because I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power.”

    Rather than implementing the new accord, Schumer said it was preferable to boost sanctions against Iran while enforcing secondary sanctions against other countries and “pursue the hard-trodden path of diplomacy once more, difficult as it may be.”

  84. Luntz . . .

    I can imagine him as the guest of honor

    at a Hawaiian Luau

    with a steel rod up his ass,

    and a apple his mouth turning

    slowly over an open spit.

  85. Shadowfax

    August 6, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    I finally got to see the debate on Newsweek online. The only thing the debate captured were gotcha questions and gave no time for any substance answers.

    The debate as a whole, sucked.

    I am glad that Trump raised his hand at the first question and didn’t back down once.

    He might not be a polished bullshitter, but being pc or a straight shooter…I would pick the latter any day of the week.

    The media will never say Trump is the winner of the debate, lets see what the American voter thinks.

    **************************

    Shadowfax…you might not have seen it all…but you heard it right…

  86. As somebody who has already watched 2 to 6 Q&As with all of these candidates at various forums, I thought tonight’s debate was entertaining and even occasionally informative.

    I thought the questions were exactly as expected, combative questions intended to get at the perceived criticisms of the candidates, get under their skin, if possible, and provoke some fireworks.

    My impression was largely in keeping with what I have seen previously: that this is a deep field with a half dozen or more quality candidates capable of making a coherent presentation of Republican positions.

  87. I also liked when Donald shot back at Chris Wallace and told him when he was talking about “the lenders” that Wallace was ‘not living in the real world’ or ‘dreaming’ or something like that…

    if anyone can provide the exchange that would be great…

    and then the shot of Wallace’s smirky face…

    …and at another point, DT added something like…”and if you don’t like it, it’s too bad”

  88. Chuck Schumer will oppose Iran deal
    ——–
    Wow!

    Of course, the only way this means anything is if Obama has not lined up enough votes in favor of the treaty for it to pass without Schumer’s vote. I suspect that he has, in which case this is the kind of constituent deception that McConnell on the other side of the aisle is notorious now that Cruz has called him out. I further suspect that this is why Schumer has been stalling. Simply put, I take this as an indication that Obama has those votes, and it will pass, thanks in no small part to that idiot Corker.

  89. Now that Kelly and her guests have stopped praising the moderators of the debate we’ll get to see the reverse. Hannity is on now and he will interview Trump.

  90. speaking with Megan Kelley…Krauthammer declared…”Trump collapsed tonight”

    ***************

    btw…just saw a replay clip….

    Wallace…”I’ll give you 30 seconds…what evidence do you have that…at the border?”

    30 seconds, what proof do you have?

    Donald says…”that’s the way it is…bla. bla…and if you do not like it, that’s too bad”

  91. “Porky pig Luntz and his Kiwi Cordovan hair.” Perfect description! He’s so creepy I can hardly stand to look at him much less listen to him and want to puke when I see the tennis shoes he wears because he apparently thinks he is cute and cool in them??

    After listening to Dear Megan’s questions and the plan to attack Trump and bring him down, it showed more about what FOX News is than Trump and the candidates. Afterward Ms. Megan reminded me so much of how Bill O’Really acts after a big interview…patting herself on the back and wanting praise for her “skills”. YUCK! And whoever said her hair extensions should go is right on. Not a good look.

    I hated the smirk on Chris Wallace’s face when he tried to get Trump and did get him worked up. All a set up.

    Bush is more boring than I ever imagined.

  92. You guys are missing the fact that a proctology exam is what happens to ever candidate (not named Obama) when they become the prohibitive favorite and presumptive nominee. Clinton got it in early 2008 debates. Cain got it. Romney got it. It is what it is. When you are the presumptive nominee, you are the story, you are the target, you are the headliner.

    Frankly, I’ve gotta give Fox credit. Starting the broadcast with the show of hands question was brilliant. You can’t argue that it’s not a fair question in a Republican debate. It’s been asked repeatedly for years. I’m pretty sure that Hillary was asked if she would support Obama in 2008. It’s not even a hard question to answer.

  93. shadow… in regards to Fox, it depends on what show you are watching…

    trump is on hannity right now…hannity supports Trump and gives him airspace without real criticism

    if its megyan’s show with Kruthammer, etc, they are against DT, and other establishment pundits as guests all unite in knocking DT

    cnn is a mixed bag…i think anderson secretly likes DT and tries to be partial

    I am trying to monitor as time permits…

  94. As for being up to the challenge, I was really surprised that the presumptive nominee didn’t come prepared with any new material.

    I was shocked that he said that single payer works in Canada, works in Scotland, and could have worked here at the time. Surely he anticipated that question, right?

    I was not surprised that Megyn Kelly was able to get under his skin. That’s his big Achilles heel, lashing out when he’s attacked. I would have thought that he would have prepared to not all for that trap no matter what. But, Trump gotta Trump….

  95. Yeah, Trumps answer to Obama care and single payer are was weak and not well thought out. I think he thought, hmm, 5 to 6 minutes, I can wing it…hmm, not so much Donald.

    He needs to get a little more serious here.ADD time is over…

  96. Another:

    http://deadline.com/2015/08/gop-debate-live-blog-donald-trump-jeb-bush-fox-news-1201494078/#liveblog-entry-1412085

    Megyn asks Trump about speaking his mind, including calling women “fat pigs, dogs and disgusting animals.” “Only Rosie O’Donnell,” Trump snaps back, dinging her good. He says the big problem in this country is “being politically correct” and that he doesn’t have time for political correctness and neither does the country. What a gaffe to try to take on Trump over political correctness before this crowd. Trump cut her off at the knees, using humor, which she can’t handle.

    Looking through the Deadline Hollywood site it is Trump cheering section.

    http://deadline.com/2015/08/gop-debate-live-blog-donald-trump-jeb-bush-fox-news-1201494078/

  97. I think he thought, hmm, 5 to 6 minutes, I can wing it

    I don’t think people appreciate how hard it is to be a good Presidential candidate. I have a lot of admiration for the pure talent and skill required. That’s why I get upset when fakers like Herman Cain or John Edwards get support.

  98. S

    August 7, 2015 at 12:24 am

    shadow… in regards to Fox

    Thanks for the rundown S.

    I am surprised that Hannity likes Trump. In real life, Hillary and Trump have similar views on things like the economy, jobs, healthcare…and Hannity hates Hillary.

  99. Frankly, I’ve gotta give Fox credit. Starting the broadcast with the show of hands question was brilliant. You can’t argue that it’s not a fair question in a Republican debate.

    Wellllllll….. it was asked of the group, but really it was only asked of Trump. Maybe they thought they’d get some grief if they only asked Trump alone. But definitely I think it was a set up to have it as the first question – because they knew if anyone raised their hand, it would only be Trump. Seemed like a way to start the debates trying to have the audience against Trump. They could have started the debate with introductory type questions, or a question perhaps they’re not so far apart on… to sort of warm up, help the audience get a quick general feel for who each person is. But they went first for the question that would right off automatically get that audience upset – upset at ONE person.

    So…. I’m not sure I feel it was fair, in the way that it was done.

  100. Megyn Kelly is getting slammed on her Facebook page by the commenters.

    ———–
    Good, Barbie Tool deserves it!

  101. The comments over at DRUDGE are agreeing with us. Megan Kelly is getting hit hard as well as FOX NEWS along with smirking Chris Wallace but Dear Megan is getting popped harder as well she should be. So we are not the only ones who thought Megan should be told, “YOU’RE FIRED” and that creepy Frank Luntz’s group was a complete set up to bring down Trump. Some have even said they are not going to watch FOX anymore. If Roger Ailes is reading there, I’ll bet he is stunned and sweating bullets. Some are even saying FOX NEWS stock will go down tomorrow.

  102. Bret Baier tries to get Trump to pledge he won’t run as indie if he doesn’t get this nomination. He refuses. Audience boos.

    If I could get my hands on them, I would strangle that audience. They have no concept that there is a world out there which is idependent of either party and those who attach themselves to both parties like parasites, who are killing the country.

    Here is what Reich says about this:

    What’s new is the degree of anger now focused on those who have had power over our economic and political system since the start of the 1980s.

    Included are presidents and congressional leaders from both parties, along with their retinues of policy advisors, political strategists, and spin-doctors.

    Most have remained in Washington even when not in power, as lobbyists, campaign consultants, go-to lawyers, financial bundlers, and power brokers.

    The other half of the ruling class comprises the corporate executives, Wall Street chiefs, and multi-millionaires who have assisted and enabled these political leaders — and for whom the politicians have provided political favors in return.

    America has long had a ruling class but the public was willing to tolerate it during the three decades after World War II, when prosperity was widely shared and when the Soviet Union posed a palpable threat. Then, the ruling class seemed benevolent and wise.

    Yet in the last three decades — when almost all the nation’s economic gains have gone to the top while the wages of most people have gone nowhere — the ruling class has seemed pad its own pockets at the expense of the rest of America.

    We’ve witnessed self-dealing on a monumental scale — starting with the junk-bond takeovers of the 1980s, followed by the Savings and Loan crisis, the corporate scandals of the early 2000s (Enron, Adelphia, Global Crossing, Tyco, Worldcom), and culminating in the near meltdown of Wall Street in 2008 and the taxpayer-financed bailout.

    Along the way, millions of Americans lost their jobs their savings, and their homes.

    Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has opened the floodgates to big money in politics wider than ever. Taxes have been cut on top incomes, tax loopholes widened, government debt has grown, public services have been cut. And not a single Wall Street executive has gone to jail.

    The game seems rigged — riddled with abuses of power, crony capitalism, and corporate welfare.

    In 2001, a Gallup poll found 77 percent of Americans satisfied with opportunities to get ahead by working hard and 22 percent dissatisfied. By 2014, only 54 percent were satisfied and 45 percent dissatisfied.

    The resulting fury at ruling class has taken two quite different forms.

    On the right are the wreckers. The Tea Party, which emerged soon after the Wall Street bailout, has been intent on stopping government in its tracks and overthrowing a ruling class it sees as rotten to the core.

    Its Republican protégés in Congress and state legislatures have attacked the Republican establishment. And they’ve wielded the wrecking balls of government shutdowns, threats to default on public debt, gerrymandering, voter suppression through strict ID laws, and outright appeals to racism.

    Donald Trump is their human wrecking ball. The more outrageous his rants and put downs of other politicians, the more popular he becomes among this segment of the public that’s thrilled by a bombastic, racist, billionaire who sticks it to the ruling class.

    On the left are the rebuilders. The Occupy movement, which also emerged from the Wall Street bailout, was intent on displacing the ruling class and rebuilding our political-economic system from the ground up.

    Occupy didn’t last but it put inequality on map. And the sentiments that fueled Occupy are still boiling.

    Bernie Sanders personifies them. The more he advocates a fundamental retooling of our economy and democracy in favor of average working people, the more popular he becomes among those who no longer trust the ruling class to bring about necessary change.

    Yet despite the growing revolt against the ruling class, it seems likely that the nominees in 2016 will be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. After all, the ruling class still controls America.

    But the revolt against the ruling class won’t end with the 2016 election, regardless.

    Which means the ruling class will have to change the way it rules America.

    Or else it won’t rule too much longer.

  103. The show of hands to start the show wasn’t supposed to be easing into it. It was about starting the TV show (entertainment) with drama, conflict, and news. It’s YUGE if the presumptive nominee raises his hand. It’s YUGE if he doesn’t. Drama, conflict, news, entertainment, ratings.

    BTW Erick Erickson at RedState is praising Fox for sticking almost exclusively to questions that Republicans would be interested in, as opposed to asking the candidates to respond to the litany of Dem talking points. I think that’s largely true.

  104. If Roger Ailes is reading there, I’ll bet he is stunned and sweating bullets

    Are you kidding? Roger Ailes is popping the champagne about tonight’s broadcast. It was gold. They got actual fights. Drama. News. It was YUGE!

  105. Lorac, you are exactly correct. The very first question was meant to isolate Trump (which helps him but that is something the anti Trump establishment does not understand). It took a lot of guts for Trump to raise his hand.

    If that was not enough the very first question for Trump was the Rosie O’Donnell question which now that we have viewed it again (Fox is rebroadcasting the debate now) we see Trump handled very well. Every question to Trump was a personal attack.

  106. Unable to watch the debate, so thanks to Pinkers for informative commentary. Sounds like Trump was treated much like Hillary was in 2008 in debates with Barack. Media no only treated Barack with kid gloves, they also manipulated approval numbers following the debates.

    Will the viewers see that media and GOP deliberately tried to take Trump down? If so, this should only help Trump’s numbers.

    ____________

    lorac
    August 6, 2015 at 10:53 pm
    Personally, I don’t care for all the religion in these questions and answers….
    ___________

    Agreed, Lorac.

  107. Shadowfax
    August 7, 2015 at 1:05 am
    Megyn Kelly is getting slammed on her Facebook page by the commenters.

    ———–
    Good, Barbie Tool deserves it!
    ______

    Damn straight!

  108. Headline at Brietbart:
    ________

    Breitbart Debate Wire: GOP Candidates Deliver Strong Performances… Fox News vs. The Donald: Anchors Try to Take Out Trump

  109. And the commentor at a big Republican site, which lauds the fox team for its excellent work, warns readers not to look at drudge because the results will depress them. To me it is an indication that big media is not able to control the base. As you can see, Boosh did a fantastic job, and garnered a huge swath of vote . . well.. . er. . . maybe not that big–but more than he deserved.

    Thank you for voting!
    BUSH 2.4% (5,608 votes)

    CARSON 9.71% (22,695 votes)

    CHRISTIE 1.35% (3,150 votes)

    CRUZ 15.03% (35,129 votes)

    HUCKABEE 3.44% (8,038 votes)

    KASICH 4.72% (11,040 votes)

    PAUL 8.61% (20,115 votes)

    RUBIO 9.31% (21,767 votes)

    TRUMP 41.36% (96,683 votes)

    WALKER 4.07% (9,515 votes)

  110. From Red State:

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    jackm125 • 29 minutes ago

    I thought the commentators could have been from CNN based on their questions to Donald Trump. This was clearly an attempted ambush of Trump night. All three commentators were very unprofessional in their attack on Trump. Fox News has joined the MSM. The Megyn Kelly question using the fake Democratic War on Women theme proves it. The RINOs are clearly trying to get Trump out of the Republican debates.

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    medamorphus • an hour ago

    RE: Trump potential third party run. Trump is a business man and a
    negotiator. Potentially running third party is potential “leverage” against the
    establishment GOP. You don’t give up leverage without getting something in
    return. If, for instance, he pledged to never run third party it would be open season on Trump from the establishment. However, he keeps his “power” by not ruling out that possibility. Practical application of this: he would have secured the release of our four hostages from Iran before the talks even began, unlike Obama and Kerry, who just gave it up.

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    quill67 medamorphus • an hour ago
    Trump could simply say: I am making sure the establishment does not get liberal democrats to vote against me in the Republican primary like they did in Mississippi. (Remember Thad Cochran)
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  111. This was the consensus on all the blogs I looked at in re. the first panel:

    CARLY FIORINA simply owned the stage. She was lucid, never at a loss, poised and smart.

  112. The show of hands to start the show wasn’t supposed to be easing into it. It was about starting the TV show (entertainment) with drama, conflict, and news.

    hwc, you had originally mentioned the word “fair”. I was responding to that, because I didn’t see any fairness in that. You’re mentioning drama now. Yes, sure, I can see they wanted some cheap drama. Not sure if that is fair to the people seriously worried about the country. I think maybe they thought they were orchestrating a reality show, maybe…

  113. I will go to bed now, happy, because Marco has promised me that America’s best days are ahead.

    And if anyone would know he would.

    And if anyone knew how to bring that about he would not.

    He is a fucking blow hard.

    El Fanfarron!

  114. Yes, indeed.
    ________________

    “I will go to bed now, happy, because Marco has promised me that America’s best days are ahead.

    And if anyone would know he would.

    And if anyone knew how to bring that about he would not.

    He is a fucking blow hard.”
    _______________________

    Mr. young, cool ‘Hope and Change’…now where have we seen and heard that before. Rubio/Obama III

  115. I said the show of hands question was perfectly fair game. Every candidate in a Republican (or Democrat) primary knows they are going to be asked the question and knows how they have to answer it. Sheesh, the presumptive nominee has been asked that question in every interview for weeks. Of course, he was going to be asked it tonight.

    He wants the leverage of not ruling out a third party run. That’s fine. That’s his choice. Now, he should put on his big boy pants and live with the downside of his refusal. He can’t refuse to commit and then whine because people are understandably not on board with him on that one.

  116. wbboei
    August 7, 2015 at 1:49 am

    Then on the drudge poll, donald won and cruz came in second and carley did well.

    Then what am I getting so depressed about?

    It is kind of what I expected.

    I guess I just got wrapped up in the big media bullshit.

    As long as it has no effect, they can run their mouths til hell won’t have it any more.

    But I will say this much.

    The candidates should declare their independence from big media.

    And start scheduling more in depth discussions of issues with no big media involvement.

    As it stands, these debates are like congressional hearings.

    Long on talking points, short on productive discussion.

    And as for that mongoloid idiot Frank Cruz

    I do not think for a moment that his focus groups are randomly chosen.

    I think they are rigged to support the Rupert Murdock narrative.

    And he is nothing more than the delivery boy.

    Before I would accept anything he says as presumptively valid-

    I would have to know a lot more about how his audiences are selected, etc.

  117. Here are some more wobbei. This one is his response to being asked about being a trouble maker in the Republican caucus:

  118. He wants the leverage of not ruling out a third party run. That’s fine. That’s his choice. Now, he should put on his big boy pants and live with the downside of his refusal. He can’t refuse to commit and then whine because people are understandably not on board with him on that one.
    —–
    As noted above:

    Trump potential third party run. Trump is a business man and a
    negotiator. Potentially running third party is potential “leverage” against the
    establishment GOP. You don’t give up leverage without getting something in
    return. If, for instance, he pledged to never run third party it would be open season on Trump from the establishment. However, he keeps his “power” by not ruling out that possibility.

  119. I understand the leverage he seeks. He needs to man up and understand that many Republicans will not support his decision because they do not want a candidate who will help elect a Democrat.

    Voters have leverage, too.

  120. It is kind of what I expected.

    It was MUCH more entertaining than I expected. As someone who slogged through all of the Repub debates in 2012, this was really refreshing. A varied and mostly articulate group of candidates with some pretty substantive differences on policy.

    One of the things the Huckster said (on abortion) was breathtakingly radical.

    Biggest surprises of the night for me:

    Trump’s full-throated praise of single payer health care in a Republican debate and Jeb! admitting that he still favors the federal imposition of common core education mandates, as long as the states get to set up their own (federally approved) testing standards.

    As someone who thinks that all government programs are corrupt, inefficient, and inept, I disagree strenuously with both of those positions.

  121. Who did Fox award the ‘blue ribbon Winner’ to?

    Certainly not Trump.

    Good night Pinkers.

    Thanks for the debate blow by blow Admin.

  122. Terrific story from a college debater on the circuit with Ted Cruz:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/reflections-on-ted-cruz-the-michael-jordan-of-college-debate-20150806

    Ted Cruz was a king in Parliamentary Debate Land. And standing out in that crowd was not easy. Debate attracted swaths of wunderkinds who shared a geeky, cocky confidence; many of them came from a world of private high schools and rigorous speech teams. Nevertheless, says Raj Vinnakota—a Princeton debater who knew Cruz and who is now the CEO of the SEED Foundation in Washington, D.C.—when you had to face Cruz in debate, “you walked in assuming you would lose.”

    At Princeton, according to Vinnakota and Scott Angstreich—a regulatory and appellate lawyer in Washington—debate practice was taken seriously, and Cruz was an excellent mentor, providing feedback and helping to strengthen younger members of the team. “In that environment,” says Vinnakota, who was two years younger than Cruz, “he was cool, spectacular, a god.”

    He was excellent at connecting with a large audience (think: machine-gun bacon). Dae Levine—a former Columbia debater in Cruz’s year who is now a communications strategist living in Australia and who has twice been the chair of Democrats Abroad—thinks of it as a kind of bewitching political narcissism: “It’s not visual. It’s not: Look at me. It’s: Listen to me. No, believe me. No, follow me.” Indeed, emotion—not just intelligence—was very much in Cruz’s skill set. Angstreich (who is Jewish) recalls a debate that he was arguing involving the Holocaust. Before Angstreich got up to speak, Cruz leaned over to him and whispered, “Be outraged!”

    Oh, BTW, it looks like Cruz was the most searched candidate on Google during the debate.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/06/the-most-searched-person-in-the-first-half-hour-of-the-gop-debate-ted-cruz-by-far/

  123. The Fox Republican debate was a clown show. How unprofessional for a moderator to tell the candidate that they are lying. Trump was attacked and marginalized the whole time in a very obvious fashion and every person who relates to him will feel it.

    They were provoking him to the max and he stressed but did not break.

    I hope it backfires on them big time.

    Stump for the Trump.

  124. Trump is overwhelmingly winning the Drudge poll. People are incensed at his treatment by the panel. Almost 400,000 and he is winning by 50%

  125. Is there something wrong with Megyn Kelly? What is with the mood swings, grimacing, giggling, etc. Very strange. Has she had a recent head injury?

  126. Good news (for me) is that Jeb was unable to deliver. Good riddance. I think with this many, we have to look at losers and not winners but who gets a second chance. I was surprised by Jeb’s performance or lack of it. Maybe his mother knew something when she said he should not run.

  127. @Mormaer, that is her schtick. She must think her ways are unique and what made her successful. She probably thinks she goes where others fear to go. She may need to tone it down. But I hate to criticize strong, ambitious, driven women. There are so few.

  128. pm317
    August 7, 2015 at 8:41 am

    That schtick is neither strong nor ambitious. It is either mugging, diva behavior, or there is something wrong with her. And she didn’t sound smart. Fiorina sounded smart in the first debate. The smirking was sophomoric and/or inappropriate to the degree of mental/personality disorder. And if she was male I would say the same thing.

  129. I would separate her schtick from her strong and ambitious personality, :). Anyway, she is getting clobbered and I am no fan of hers. But she does not irritate me as much (my hubby does not like her at all).

  130. well, I have only been checking out the day after vibe for about one hour and the consensus is and being said in these actual terms…

    this was an “assault on Donald Trump”

    the questions were an “inquisition of DT”

    that Fox news set up DT and the plan was to take him out

    **************************************

    I have been listening to Washington Journal on C-span and many callers, including many democrats and including many AA, saw right thru Meghan Kelly and what Fox was doing to DT

    so many callers calling in to support DT…democrats declaring they will vote for him

    (many of them echoing what some of us are saying here at Big Pink)

    AA women are strongly supporting Donald Trump – they want change and believe DT can do it…he has the “guts” to speak up and get the job done…

    one man called and said ‘he has been on the fence re: DT but then he said when he saw how MK and Fox went after him, at that point Fox “showed their hands” & they are all afraid of DT because he will change things…and at this point the man has decided he will vote for DT…

    Larry Sabato and MSNBC also pointing out that the real debate was between the Fox moderators and DT and they went at him hard to take him out…

    *************************

  131. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Fox-made-trump-stronger/2015/08/07/id/667786/

    snip

    It turns out Trump was right. His toughest opponents Thursday night weren’t the candidates up on stage, but the Fox News moderators, who went right after him — none with more gusto than Kelly.

    Kelly, the whip-smart queen of Fox News’ blonde stunners, went straight for the jugular. “You’ve called women you don’t like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals,” she admonished Trump. “Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?”

    But Trump saw her coming a mile away and cut her off. “Only Rosie O’Donnell,” he barked, drawing cheers from the crowd.

    When Kelly tried to point out that he had insulted more women than O’Donnell, Trump, as he would all night, steamrolled right past her. “The big problem this country has is being politically correct,” Trump practically shouted, invoking conservatives’ favorite term of disdain. “I’ve been challenged by so many people and I don’t frankly have time for total political correctness and to be honest with you this country doesn’t have time either.” The crowd went wild.

    (me – if you look at that clip Meghan had daggers in her eyes as the crowd cheered and her question lost its impact, she was seething)

    snip

    Right now, Trump is the dominant candidate in the field because he has exerted a broad appeal to every part of the Republican Party. How might those Republicans react to Fox News — their own network! — aggressively trying to take down their favorite candidate?

    To find out, I called Janet Roberts, 69, a nurse in Bellville, Ohio, who participated in last week’s Bloomberg Politics poll and supported Trump (“He has the balls to stand up to the career politicians”). She had agreed to give me her reaction immediately after the debate.

    When I called, Roberts was furious. “I had more emotion about Fox News tonight than I did about Donald Trump,” she told me. “Those questions were not professional questions. They were bullying. They were set up to purposely make them all look bad. Our country is a mess and I feel like the debate was an example of that. I’m still with Trump.”

    In fact, Roberts said, after watching the debate, she felt even more strongly than before. “He was very composed,” she said. “It’s probably difficult for him, because he’s a very opinionated person.”

    We won’t know for a few more days if other Republicans reacted to the debate as Roberts did. But my guess is that Trump didn’t hurt himself and might even emerge stronger than before. There’s an unspoken accord between Trump and his supporters that Thursday’s debate can only have intensified.

    Trump rants and raves in language that upsets and scandalizes the establishment. In return, his fans annoy the elite know-it-alls by rallying to him anyway. Together, they raise a big middle finger to everyone. That’s the art of the deal.

  132. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/donald-trump-clear-winner-pollster/2015/08/07/id/666251/

    Pollster Matt Towery: Trump ‘Smoked’ Other GOP Candidates

    Donald Trump was the clear winner in Thursday’s Republican presidential debate, pollster Matt Towery told Newsmax.

    “While most of the political pundits are not going to want to admit it, Trump did not hurt himself tonight — and he may have actually accelerated his campaign,” Towery, CEO of InsiderAdvantage, said in an interview.

    “He stayed true to what’s gotten him through his lead in the polls. He was not politically correct. He was blunt — and he sparked back at every opportunity.”

    The billionaire developer also pulled the most time during the two-hour debate at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Towery said.

    “If you actually add up the time of Trump versus the other candidates, he smoked them in terms of the amount of time he had in the debates,” he said. “I look at who dominated the field in terms of time and who dominated on social media.

    “The early reports we’re seeing on social media is that Donald Trump absolutely dominated it,” Towery said. “The other candidates acquitted themselves well — and there are some other candidates who are going to rise as a result of this debate.”

    Those two include Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, the third candidate to enter the race, and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, the last one, strategist Bruce Haynes told Newsmax.

    “Kasich distinguished himself as the most human and authentic on the stage — and I thought Rubio was clearly the best communicator of his story and of Republican policies and ideas,” said Haynes, founder and president of the bipartisan Purple Strategies firm.

    “They were both happy warriors.

    “They both seemed to stand above the fray — and I thought Kasich did a good job of taking advantage of the home field,” he said. “He worked really well the audience.

    “They both smiled a lot and seemed optimistic and encouraging about the future, even as they were being critical of Democratic policies — and that’s not always hard to do.”

    But the biggest loser in Cleveland was Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, Haynes said.

    “What continues to be surprising to me is how underwhelming Rand Paul is as a candidate. He was the clear loser.

    “He got the worst of two of the more intriguing exchanges,” Haynes added, referring to the outburst with Trump at the beginning of the contest over any third-party run and the exchange with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie over the Patriot Act.

  133. I’m shocked that everyone is calling this a debate. Each question should have been asked of each candidate in some kind of order. And the so called journalists obviously inserted themselves as spinners to try to steer the outcome. I have lost all respect for the 3 of them with their self satisfied grins every time they thought they had scored.

  134. Well, it’s official, as agreed by various media talking mouths and the political establishment – Last night’s debate was small potatoes compared to the upcoming gathering, Redstate 2015, hosted by Redstate, of course. Among the speakers are Ted Cruz, Carly Forina, Jeb, Huckabee, Rubio. I didn’t see The Donald’s name on the agenda.

    _________

    #RSG15 ‘far more important than Thursday’s debate’: RedState Gathering 2015 promises to be epic

    http://twitchy.com/2015/08/03/rsg15-far-more-important-than-thursdays-debate-redstate-gathering-2015-promises-to-be-epic/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitt

  135. One bad turn deserves another.

    That goes for big media princes and princesses.

    What I am saying is this:

    Whenever big media serves up a have you stopped beating you wife question

    A candidate opposed to the status quo

    MUST, Must, must seize the opportunity to

    either

    attack the question,

    or the pundit asking it

    Big media is despised

    Consequently, that counter attack will

    Put points on the board

    And will be remembered long after the debate is ended.

    That tool should have been in Donald’s mess kit.

    It should be in Cruz, and Carly’s as well.

    And they need to know when and how to use it.

    There was an expert on cross examination I knew a generation ago

    He cautioned attorneys to use the outrage factor wisely but selectively

    Hammer and tongs crosses turn off juries

    You must never, he said, let your own level of outrage

    Reflected in your line of questioning

    Exceed the level of outrage against that lying or evasive witness

    That the jury is feeling in their gut at the time you attack

    Lest you lose credibility

    But where big media is concerned

    That level of outage is baked into the cake already

    All you need to do is summon it up with a left jab

    And then clobber them with it.

    Civility is lost on these jackals.

    IMHO.

  136. Hwc
    I made another contribution to Trump keep up your Cruz infatuation you serve to drive people away from him. I hear him speak and I think about how obnoxious you are. I am turned off.

  137. In their treatment of Trump in last night’s debate, the establishment players cast mega-wealthy Trump as an underdog. Americans love an underdog. At this point, the more they attempt to destroy him, the more they build support for him.

    They are in the unenviable position of being – Damned if they do. Damned if they don’t. I love irony.

  138. I am sorry to say that I hate…hate…that photo of Hillary with Kim Kardashian…I know Hill was at Justin Beaver’s agents fundraiser for her…

    really…ugh

  139. I’m done with Fox….don’t know where to get anything resembling news anymore….just pick your propaganda.

    I do think Trump could have done much better, but he still has my vote. I wouldn’t base my vote on this phony set up.

  140. S
    August 7, 2015 at 10:03 am
    freespirit…I just heard on Fox that Trump is supposed to appear there in the afternoon…AND

    that Trump has increased his lead in Georgia to over 34% and the next person, Bush is at @ 12%

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/trump-clinton-lead-early-georgia-primary-poll/nnDzL/
    _____________

    Unbelievable. I love the fact that America is reacting against the political establishment and media. People have been pushed too far. They’re pushing back.

    BTW S, I saw the video you posted of the two women. They cracked me up.

  141. Speaking of irony. I had a weird thought after reading about Big Dawg’s conversation with Trump.

    I don’t seriously believe this, but what if rather than Trump being a Hillary plant, she were actually a Trump plant. lol

  142. totally disgusted…and SouthernBorn…I agree Donald needs to prepare his responses regarding Ocare16 and start referring to his book for more policy details…

    it is kind of laughable that these moderators DEMAND policy details in 30 seconds

    I really want Donald to flesh out why Ocare16 is going to get worse and worse…he uses it as a throw away line…i would love to see him put some meat on the bones for that one…the average person has NO IDEA…

    ****************

    Admin…I hope you are planning on contacting DT and/or his peeps…your idea regarding DT pushing more policy details from his book should be suggested front and center to them…he didn’t even mention it…

    *****************

    also DT needs to understand that so many in the AA community are beginning to believe in him and ‘count on him’ to change things for the better

    DT needs to start making distinctions about how illegal immigration is hurting everyone but particulary many in the AA community…they know it, Donald needs to speak even more forcefully on this issue for them…

    Hillary is kidding herself if she thinks she can just assume AA women are going to fall lock, stock and barrel behind her…they are not…and they want to be heard and listened to…

    and one last time, for any that have missed Lynette Hardway and Rochelle Richardson from ‘the viewers view’…this is what is simmering and going on away from mainstream media…I love them…

    http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/NewsMax/OoyalaPlayer.aspx?embedcode=JuY2Rxdjph0Eq8ZTWGKFcDeEanimdgxy&section=Newsmax-Tv&author=Cathy+Burke#ooid=JuY2Rxdjph0Eq8ZTWGKFcDeEanimdgxy

  143. Most watched program in Fox News history? That would be YUGE. All those lower rated debates were STUPID. They were a COMPLETE DISASTER.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/media/gop-debate-fox-news-ratings/index.html

    <blockquote?But the preliminary ratings, known as "metered market overnights," indicate that upward of 10 million viewers tuned to Fox for the prime time debate.

    The first Republican primary debate in 2011, also on Fox, was watched by 3.2 million people.

    There was also a surge — though much smaller surge — in viewership for the undercard debate at 5 p.m.

    Fox had high expectations for Thursday's kick-off to debate season. Rival executives and campaign aides also predicted unusually high ratings for the event, thanks to curiosity about Trump and the controversy over the "top ten" candidate criteria.

    But the overnight numbers seemed to surpass everyone's expectations.
    There was speculation on Friday morning that it may go down in the record books as the highest-rated Fox News telecast ever.

  144. I would separate her schtick from her strong and ambitious personality,
    ——–
    narcissistic might be a better description/diagnosis

  145. There was speculation on Friday morning that it may go down in the record books as the highest-rated Fox News telecast ever
    ——
    Another successful Trump project.

    The credit should go to him.

  146. yes, freespirit I agree…I had to post a link to the ladies one more time for some who might have missed it…they just cut through it all…

    Stump for the Trump! too much…!

  147. I for one feel like a fool for believing Fox was any different from MSNBC and CNN or the networks. The rose tinted glasses are now off. The media (all of it) is not just part of the problem. They are the main problem. (As Wbb has been saying for years!)

    I wonder if Kelly, Baier and Wallace realize how they represented the first and second estates last night? The commoners are up in arms. I feel like the Bastille is about to be stormed any moment and Trump is at the head of the mob leading with figurative pitchforks and torches.

    I hope Fox’s ratings crash.

    Interesting times indeed.

  148. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/08/fox-news-wins-the-debate-212020.html?hp=l5_4

    Sounds like Roger thought it was YUGE.

    For more than two hours, the trio that won widespread praise in 2012 for hard-hitting questions once again demonstrated that Fox News would offer no safe harbor for Republican candidates.

    Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes was of course effusive in his praise.

    ”I’m extremely proud of all of the moderators—they asked tough, important questions and did their job as journalists,” Ailes said when POLITICO asked him to assess the performance. “I think that was the best political debate team ever put on television. Their performance was outstanding.”

  149. Let them feel the lash.

    Or, as Thomas Crown said: to hell with fairness

    Turn a deaf ear to the establishment

    The same deaf ear they turn to us

    Resist the urge to agree with them

    Just repeat your talking point dig in and fuck this dialogue bullshit

    Its like free trade–if it were free and fair, it would draw little opposition

    If this were a dialogue, and they were willing to listen to us, we might extend the same courtesy to them.

    But we are way past that point.

    The article by the dwarf, William Reich made sense to me

    Once upon a time, when we had a different set of values, a defined enemy and all boats seemed to rise with the tide

    The people of this nation could tolerate an elite class, and worry as deTocquville did about the tyranny of the majority

    But today, the elites are in it only for themselves and the rest of the country is failing, as the common good slips away

    His conclusion, then, is one I agree with: either they change, or they will not be ruling too much longer.

    I used to believe that merit was an important principle for nations or social organizations to embrace.

    Affirmative action is the negation of the merit principle, and that is why I opposed it.

    But I never realized that it was also important from the standpoint of stablility.

    Because as our elites build an oligarchy much like the kings of Europe

    Upward mobility for people who deserve it by virue of their character and contributions is denied.

    And at that point, they look for ways to undermine that system.

  150. Poor widdle Donald. Everyone is being so mean to him. He was up all night tweeting about it:

    “Wow, @megynkelly really bombed tonight. People are going wild on twitter! Funny to watch,” he tweeted at 3:40 am. “I really enjoyed the debate tonight even though the @FoxNews trio, especially @megynkelly, was not very good or professional!”

    “.@FrankLuntz your so-called “focus groups” are a total joke. Don’t come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!,” He tweeted. “.@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/trump-tweets-megyn-kelly-isnt-very-good-or-professional-121148.html#ixzz3i8nai4JY

  151. There were almost 500,000 votes on Drudge and Trump got 45%
    Cruz distant 2nd
    Rubio 3rd
    Bush got like 2% of vote…

  152. hwc
    August 7, 2015 at 10:41 am
    ——-
    Some day, I will take the time to explain what propaganda is, and the motivations behind it, i.e. power and money.

    That will be a difficult operation so please do not eat any meals, and drink only clear liquids during the next 24 hours.

  153. gonzotx
    August 7, 2015 at 10:50 am
    There were almost 500,000 votes on Drudge and Trump got 45%
    Cruz distant 2nd
    Rubio 3rd
    Bush got like 2% of vote…
    ———-
    And that is what counts.

    If you were a consultant that would be cause for concern.

    You would be saying to your colleagues if Trump’s numbers do not tank, we’ve got big problems.

    Because this tells us that the country does not believe us, does not trust us and is tired of being bamaboozled.

    Even worse, they are not interested in listening to our gas bags like Rubio who serve up vague promises of a better tomorrow.

  154. admin
    August 6, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    It opens with an attack on Trump. Will he pledge to not run third party and support the nominee? Trump says “no”.
    ________________________

    The Donald is a Puma!!! Who knew??

    Yep!!! We are still out therre. 😆

  155. Poor widdle Donald. Everyone is being so mean to him. He was up all night tweeting about it:

    “Wow, @megynkelly really bombed tonight. People are going wild on twitter! Funny to watch,” he tweeted at 3:40 am. “I really enjoyed the debate tonight even though the @FoxNews trio, especially @megynkelly, was not very good or professional!”

    “.@FrankLuntz your so-called “focus groups” are a total joke. Don’t come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!,” He tweeted. “.@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!”
    ——-
    His motivations are political more than personal.

    And they play to the sweetspot of his campaign—attacking the establishment.

    Millions of people hate FOX News to begin with, and when the smoke clears this will earn them few new friends.

    I doubt they see the mistake because they are too caught up in the moment, i.e. deal heat.

    The irony is that the seeds of distrust which they planted against the establishment, which I for one strongly approve of, are coming back now to bite THEM in the ass, which will be more obvious with the passage of time.

    Just like Hillary, they fail to realize that this is a change election, and if it fails to deliver a real change candidate, then the days of the establishment will soon be over.

  156. Correction to the last sentence: the days of ESTABLISHMENT CONTROL OF OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM, are numbered.

  157. There are two themes that course through the veins of every RINO. And if you do not see them in a particular encounter, you need to look closer, because they are always there, hiding in plain view:

    1. Cuckconservative: the principle of pretending to be a conservative, and betraying those principles in practice.

    2. Failure Theater: the off broadway skit where leading actors like McConnell, and the sorcerors apprentice Corker blow Gabriel’s horn about Obama for their constitutents–who say give it to them good Mitch give it to him good, then collude with Obama to get a bad deal, and then collude with their colleagues, to figure out a way to pass the thing while giving loyalists in swing districts the right to vote against it while pounding their chests that they stood tall against what has just passed.

    Time was, people did not like RINOs because they just had this uneasy feeling that they were getting screwed. The introduction of these new terms into the political lexicon ensures they will be adopted into the common culture, such that people will realize not only that they are being played, but how it is being done.

  158. Just who in the world does Jeb Bush appeal to? It’s difficult to imagine just how deluded whoever his handlers are to think there could be any intense craving for such a milquetoast nothing guy. There is no way in hell he wins. None.

  159. I don’t think Jeb! has any support outside of establishment donors and members of the Washngton cartel.

    He has zero discernable grassroots or conservative support.

    Think about his poll numbers in the context of his name-recognition and “royalty” family status.

  160. Wow, @megynkelly really bombed tonight. People are going wild on twitter! Funny to watch,” he tweeted at 3:40 am. “I really enjoyed the debate tonight even though the @FoxNews trio, especially @megynkelly, was not very good or professional!”

    “.@FrankLuntz your so-called “focus groups” are a total joke. Don’t come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!,” He tweeted. “.@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!”
    ——-
    How many other billionaires do you know who will step up to the plate to fight their own battles?

    Typically, they do not. Typically, its like the scene in the movie El Dorado where John Wayne looks the corrupt boss in the eye and says I see you ain’t wearing a gun so I reckon you pay others to do your dirty work.

    Not Donald.

    He does his own gun fighting.

    Which is more than you can say for the lounge lizards of the establishment.

    https://youtu.be/gdtrGhQ6dwk

  161. ________________________

    The Donald is a Puma!!! Who knew??

    Yep!!! We are still out therre. 😆
    ________

    Right Foxi. There are a lot of us PUMAs still around.

  162. Fox News is really just a ratings whorehouse pretending to be a news organization, and its moderators at the debate were there strictly to bring in viewers for Roger Ailes by bashing Trump. They accomplished their mission of bringing in viewers alright, but all of them need to take a long shower to scrub off the cum off their faces. They really don’t have even an ounce of self-respect left in them.

  163. How many other billionaires do you know who will step up to the plate to fight their own battles?

    Yeah. He’d stick it to Putin in a Twitter battle. It would be YUGE.

  164. I don’t think Jeb! has any support outside of establishment donors and members of the Washngton cartel.
    ——
    Any?

    How about Dennis Miller?

    And just the other day a friend of mine who was manning the heavy artillery at the check out stands opened up about it as he rung up the bottles of Ripple and Nightrain in my shoping cart that he was one of those rareist of all species, a grass roots Bushman. I stood there in disbelief, and asked him-why on earth do you support that nevish? He replied because I like the cut of his jib. When I told him that Jeb had never set foot in a vessel smaller than 120 feet, and that diesel engines not sails were his passion, he replied well, a vessel is a vessel is a vessel. I told him, well, by that logic, a community organizer is a great senator is a historical president who can walk on water and fly. Only those set of assumptions did not work out too well, did they?

  165. Yeah. He’d stick it to Putin in a Twitter battle. It would be YUGE.
    ——–
    If he relied on Twitter, the world would know.

    In this case, he wants the world to know.

    There it would be treated with the duty of care he exercises in business affairs.

    But most of all, and this is the point you are missing

    He would make it personal with Putin, AND-

    In the only language Putin understands

    Which is neither Russian or English, but real poitic of the Bismark sort

    I doubt you knew this, but when Russia threatened to attack west berlin during the Berlin airlift

    Truman, my hero, sent them a telegram that if they made such a move, their cities would be the next Hiroshima

    Naturally, Stalin backed down

  166. The imprimatur of any SUCCESSFUL president is the ability to engage in brinksmanship when dealing with an intractable adversary on an issue critical to national security. This is a test of will as well as capacity. It is a test that Obama ALWAYS flunks. It is a test that Roosevelt, Kennedy and Reagan all passed. It is a test that Trump would pass. This is not the doctor stangelove stuff. Everyone knows that escalation of conflict for its own sake leads to further escalation and disaster, i.e. The Guns of August. But an unwavering commitment to a cause is a source of great strength and people of good will rally around a just cause, and bullies back down. Again, this wisdom is foreign to the thinking of the big media beloved messiah, or to the RINO.

  167. totally disgusted
    August 7, 2015 at 10:05 am

    ——
    I made the same choice you are making now, the night that the Fraud ‘won’ his second term. I knew Fox would no longer keep their hatred of Hillary ‘fair and balanced’ and as it turned out, they are now obvious about their hatred of Trump.

    I gather news from many resources and compare them against each other. Big Pinkers, (including our great Admin) is the best resource for information.

  168. Every RINO I know is open to any accomodation to avoid conflict. Every RINO I know is riddled with self doubts. Every RINO I know refuses to make an unconditional commitment to doing the right thing and seeing it through. Every RINO I know wants merely to look good.

  169. Poor widdle Donald. Everyone is being so mean to him. He was up all night tweeting about it:

    “Wow, @megynkelly really bombed tonight. People are going wild on twitter! Funny to watch,” he tweeted at 3:40 am. “I really enjoyed the debate tonight even though the @FoxNews trio, especially @megynkelly, was not very good or professional!”

    “.@FrankLuntz your so-called “focus groups” are a total joke. Don’t come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!,” He tweeted. “.@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels
    ———–
    Again, you don’t understand:

    “Whatever you might think about how well Donald Trump did in Thursday night’s Republican Primary debate, there is no question the billionaire businessman IS WINNING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS: THE POST DEBATE SPIN (emphasis added).

    The Narrative on almost all the morning shows centered primarily around how Fox News was gunning to take out Trump. If anything, debate co-moderator Megyn Kelly is taking on the most damaging post-debate water.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/07/trump-wins-post-debate-spin-blasts-frank-luntz-as-low-class-slob/

  170. And this insight provides a whole new light on the self congratulatory nonsense about the greatest news night in history narrative. Roger Ailes is a smart guy–and what he may be doing here in addition to a pump and dump stock operation, is girding their loins for the counter attack by the big media whores against FOX and that–how was it that Newsmax put it . . . that whip-smart queen of Fox News’ blonde stunner,(who) went straight for the jugular.” Only the jugular may turn out to be their own.

  171. I hear you Wbb about the post spin and the tweets…but he doesn’t need to call Megan a bimbo, even though she is one. We want some decorum of class. A, little, just a little. He still has a long way to go.

  172. wbboei
    August 7, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    “The Narrative on almost all the morning shows centered primarily around how Fox News was gunning to take out Trump. If anything, debate co-moderator Megyn Kelly is taking on the most damaging post-debate water.”
    ———————————————
    I’m suspect that Fox News knew fully well before the debate that attacking Trump would guarantee high ratings and that while doing so would cost Megyn Kelly what little popularity she may have had, CEO Roger Ailes figured that sacrificing their blond queen would be worth the ratings.

  173. WBB
    Yes, this is a change election. That will be the key to 2016. Anyone who doesn’t get it will sink.

  174. In these turbulent times, you hear politicians criticize someone, but when pressed for the why of it, refuse to draw rational conclusions from the facts as to their motivations. They say, I am not going to say why the individual I am attacking is doing this, because I don’t know, and am fearful that if I go down that boulevard someone is bound to ask where did I get my degree in psychiatry. Not being a politician, or a plagiarist, I mean journalist, let me defy that prescription and tell you what I think is going on at FOX. Ailes is a smart guy. He knows that the genie is out of the bottle, and change is inevitable. He knows that letting Megan go bezerk is not smart. But he has a boss, who is too old and too wedded to the status quo to see change coming. He likes Megan, and is willing to give her enough rope to hang not only herself but the entire network. So Roger puts on a happy face, and pretends all is well. But he, who before anyone else, sense the vacum which existed in this nation between and imperious elite media and the values of the country, and created FOX News to fill that gap–trust me, he knows the truth. And so do you.

  175. totally disgusted
    August 7, 2015 at 1:36 pm
    WBB
    Yes, this is a change election. That will be the key to 2016. Anyone who doesn’t get it will sink.
    ——
    Reich acknowledges this point.

    But he goes on to say that even though 2016 will be a change election, for the reasons stated above

    Neither party is likely to give us a change nominee

    Because the elites exercise undue influence over the process

    Therefore, either they will change their behavior–which is where I hoped Hillary would position her candidacy

    Or they will not rule much longer

    I guess they are a bit like Navy Planners prior to World War II

    Re-fighting the last war, rather than imagining and planning for the next one.

    And striking down heretics like General Billy Mitchell

    In this 1955 Otto Preminger film, Gary Cooper stars as World War I hero Brigadier General Billy Mitchell. The film recounts Mitchell’s efforts to prove the viability of a strong air force. The hidebound military higher-ups refuse to finance aviation any further, figuring that the strength of the United States lies in its navy. When a friend is killed by flying a faulty plane, Mitchell charges the War and Navy department with incompetence and criminal negligence. When the brass tries to quietly court-martial Mitchell, they are forced into the open by the strength of public opinion, largely in Mitchell’s favor. Subjected to the grilling of prosecutor Alan Guillon (Rod Steiger) during his trial, Mitchell sticks to his guns, even outlining a potential Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor unless the military wises up and strengthens its air power–the path not taken until after the actual attack some 15 years later.

  176. Schumer finally coming out against Iran deal knowing he is getting cover as most other Jewish dems (Feinstein, Boxer) support ..

  177. Mitchell field is the name of the airport in Milwaukee…of course untill some group decides that he was racist…then we’ll have the Rosa Parks International Airport, something like that.

  178. jbstonesfan
    August 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm
    Schumer finally coming out against Iran deal knowing he is getting cover as most other Jewish dems (Feinstein, Boxer) support ..
    —–
    That was what he was waiting for.

    One more episode of that X rated family favorite: Failure Theater, co-starring Mitch the Bitch and Bullet Bob Corker, whom that Maryland Hyena Ben Cardin insists on calling an honorable man. I agree. Corker is, like Brutus, an honorable man–even when he is stabbing the constitution and the American People the same way Brutus did to Caesar. They are all, as Marc Anthony later opined before he hunted them down like dogs, honorable men.

  179. Brian StelterVerified account
    ‏@brianstelter
    #GOPDebate was the most-watched telecast in the nearly 20-year history of @FoxNews. 24 million viewers, 7.9 million ages 25-54

  180. I hear you Wbb about the post spin and the tweets…but he doesn’t need to call Megan a bimbo, even though she is one. We want some decorum of class. A, little, just a little. He still has a long way to go.
    ————
    You and I come from a generation that respects civility.

    Generations who came after us are heavily influenced by rap music, and for them, nothing short of this gets your attention.

    Donald is tuned into all that, and he understands P.T. Barnum as well.

    I do not expect to find him taking ballet lessons with Obama.

    But he might take judo classes with Putin.

  181. hwc
    August 7, 2015 at 2:33 pm
    Brian StelterVerified account
    ‏@brianstelter
    #GOPDebate was the most-watched telecast in the nearly 20-year history of @FoxNews. 24 million viewers, 7.9 million ages 25-54
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    To which I say great.

    And the result?

    Trump lapped the field, and won the post debate war of words.

    Twenty four million viewers makes for pretty good market penetration.

    Another successful Trump production.

    The hits just keep coming.

  182. YUGE, I tell you. YUGE.

    http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/fox-news-has-most-watched-primary-debate-ever-24-million-tune-in/269157

    This is now the highest non-sports cable program of all time, the highest-rated cable news program of all time, and Fox News’s most-watched program ever.

    The 5 p.m. ET debate, withe the 7 lower-tier candidates did very well for Fox News too, drawing 6.1 million total viewers and 1.2 million in the demo, making it the third-highest primary debate ever on cable.

    In the 2012 cycle, the first GOP debate, also on Fox News, and airing much earlier — on May 5, 2011 — was watched by 3.258 million viewers. The most-watched primary debate drew 7.630 million on ABC on the night of Dec. 10, 2011.

    This is so great for the Republicans. A reality TV celebrity candidate drives YUGE ratings and the audience tuning in sees a deep field of articulate, mostly rational, candidates making a case for hope and change.

  183. And yet I thought the moderators, sans Wallace, were juvenile and embarrassing. Kelly’s appeal is somewhat puzzling to me. I don’t find her intelligent or that attractive.

  184. the jist of this has already been said by many in different ways, however a little bit of context…

    remember a day or two before and on the day of the debate, Meghan Kelly, Brett Beir and Chris Wallace were ‘teasing’ that they had a plan and they had some, essentially, ‘tricks’ to keep the candidates in line, and to take care of them if they got out of line,so to speak…

    well there it is…they had a PLAN all along, from the getgo and first “raise your hand” question, to throw “thin skinned” DT off his game and then let him stew with anger while they avoided giving him substantive questions where he could explain any ideas he had…

    Donald would then be forced to hear everyone else basically saying things he has been saying for weeks…but he had to just stand there and take it…

    and then they would come back and WHACK the Donald again with his first personal attack…

    then they would let him stew in his anger a little more…while they went on to other candidates who had the opportunity to talk more about what they had accomplished and what they planned to do…

    …and then while Donald was “sitting in the corner with a time out” they would come back to him and hit him with a ‘sexist’ question, followed by his ‘bankruptcy’ question…and so it went…

    Donald was bullied with personal attacks, and cut off when he did try to pivot to what he would do and then ignored…

    …bastards…that is what I say to the moderators…

    and further, the bottom line is that they must protect the interests of all those doners starting who those who have given Jeb over $125 MILLION DOLLARS…

    …so freaking obvious what is going on…the moderators fronted for the doner cartels…

  185. Perhaps Fox News really tried their best to follow their orders from the GOP establishment to take out Trump, but they only succeeded so far in getting the GOP base and the undecideds even more riled up and determined to put Trump in the White House. This means that the Democrats, who appear to be far less excited over their candidates, have their work cut out for them in next years elections in terms of getting the faithful to the polls and voting for their candidate, whether it’s Hillary, Biden, Sanders, O’Malley or the Starbucks CEO whats-his-name.

  186. i know some here do not like JK, yet imho a Trump-Kaisch ticket could win this whole thing

    bad cop/Donald & ‘good’ cop/Kaisch duo

  187. If FoxNews got their highest rating for the debate, it had nothing to do with the GOP, the other candidates nor the bs line, “fair and balanced’.

    It had only to do with Donald Trump.

    Lots of Democrats and Dims watched it for Trump.

    Period!

  188. Tony Stark

    August 7, 2015 at 2:55 pm

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    Tony I think you are on to something and correct…if you heard any of the feedback, say on Washington Journal this morning, then you would hear people saying exactly that…they were on the fence but now they have decided that they will vote for DT

    …and worse than that…the democrats are starting to come out of the wood work to say out loud that they are going to vote for Donald…

    the dems better wake up…women, men from all backgrounds, AA, moderates, etc are ready to leave the Dims and vote repub for DT

    if the repubs want to push DT out they will drive him to run as an independent…how stupid can they be…

  189. wbboei:

    I say “great” too. I hope that the reality TV show candidate keeps driving interest in the Republican race. What is going to drive interest and partisan enthusiasm on the Dem side?

    Debates like last night groom a half dozen or more effective high-profile Republican surrogates for 2016. Is the Dem side prepping surrogates?

    It’s YUGE for the Republicans. YUGE.

  190. Too bad that Trump is not interested in taking a VP spot, because Hillary/Trump would make a powerful team. Toss in the Big Dawg as head adviser…and you have a powerhouse.

    Hillary would have to move to the center, Trump would have to tone down his insults and take the lead on job creation and negotiating.

    I know he only wants the top job, or nothing. The the three of them working together would be the best for America.

  191. According to the Republican rules in 2008 (no idea if they have changed), the presumptive nominee will currently be barred from the primary ballots in 11 states, including Texas:

    http://libertymaven.com/2008/11/05/ron-paul-third-party-run-impossible-gop-forbade-it/3048/

    Ron Paul could not have run Libertarian if he wanted to. In order to be on the GOP Primary Ballot in at least 11 states, including Texas, Ron had to pledge that he would not seek the presidency on another ticket if he failed to secure the GOP nomination. Not running third party was the price of admission.

    We are certainly open to fair criticism of Dr. Paul. But criticizing him for not running third party is not fair criticism. I hope this clears things up.

    The wording of Bret Baier’s pledge question appears to be verbatim from the rule.

  192. This is an x rated video

    It the opposition playbook brilliantly executed.

    It is highly recommended for Hillary strategists

    As a shadow of things to come and to be prepared for

    It is highly recommended to Republican operatives

    Who are too gutless to confront big media

    It is contraindicated for children

    And for people who cannot bear hearing negative things about Hillary

    I have watched big media for fifty years

    I have witnessed their descent from heaven to hell

    I remember Admiral Rickover telling them they were nothing

    Nothing but a bunch of soap and deoderant salemen and terminating a hostile interview

    I remember the death of Russert and the three day orgy of self congratulations that followed on all networks

    And I asked myself on what meat doth this Caesar feed that he has grown so great

    Perhaps that is why I like Carley

    Unlike the RINO castrades, she stands up to them

    Like I said above, every interview should have two goals, to promote yourself and to condemn big media

    Like Love and Marriage, these go together like a horse and carriage

    Much better than this I love the American People and I hate the other party etc.

    So watch this, if you dare, and tune out the negative message, if you can

    Otherwise scroll past it, and don’t blame me.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ken-shepherd/2015/08/06/carly-fiorina-pushes-back-against-chris-matthews-hardball

  193. So, for all intents and purposes, the presumptive nominee will have to declare in the next few months whether he intends to file for the ballots and run for the Republican nomination or declare for the Democrat nomination or run as a third party candidate.

  194. Dick Morris conclusion:

    1. Trump won big time.

    2. Cruz won as well.

    3. Bush, Walker and Rubio lost.

    4. FOX News lost big time as well.

    First, the video: http://www.dickmorris.com/who-won-the-debate-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert-13/

    Second, then the follow-up commentary explaining why FOX News lost, and what many of you on this blog picked up on in the moment. I would venture to say they may not have been before, but are now, charter members of the big media cabal which means in essence that they are not cannot be on our side.

    Fox News Seeks To Satisfy Mainstream Media, Not Its Viewers
    By DICK MORRIS
    Published on DickMorris.com on August 7, 2015

    In its GOP primary debate coverage, Fox News’ recent desire to be accepted into the fraternity of leftist leaning journalists was on full display. Having built its audience by being fair to conservatives, its anchors now seek to pivot to the left in order to satisfy their professional peers.

    It is very revelatory that CNN praised Fox News for its handling of the debate.

    Fox News couldn’t care less what the audience or the Republican candidates thought of them. It was trying to make it in the journalistic cocktail circuit. That’s why they pummeled Trump with such personal attacks and treated all of the other candidates like enemies.

    Megyn Kelly was especially partisan, her bias showing through her questioning of Trump. You can bet she’ll never be as tough on Hillary as she was on the Donald last night and certainly won’t be asking her personal questions.

    Fox News showed an arrogant contempt for its audience in its leftist bias and was, in effect, telling them that they have no other place to go.

    The network’s choice of who got to answer questions was just one of the many ways it showed a bias. Conservative Ted Cruz had to wait for 25 other responses before he was finally asked a question — and that one was about God.

    Conservative newcomer Ben Carson was ignored for so long by the Fox News anchors that he even commented that he was wondering if he would ever get the chance to speak.

    Fox News could have shown that it could be fairer than any other station. Instead its liberal bias rivaled that of George Stephanopoulos.

  195. hwc
    August 7, 2015 at 3:52 pm
    So, for all intents and purposes, the presumptive nominee will have to declare in the next few months whether he intends to file for the ballots and run for the Republican nomination or declare for the Democrat nomination or run as a third party candidate.
    ——–
    Won’t happen:

    For three (3) reasons:

    1. It will cost him a fortune and, although rich, as we have seen The Donald is not quite as rich as he says he is. Running as an independent would put a serious dent in his net worth.

    2. It will put an equally serious dent in the Trump brand. Yes, it will keep him in the public eye, but many millions of Republicans will be very angry at him for throwing this important election to the Democrats, a significant portion of whom are such true believers they would vote for Hillary if she had to govern the country from behind bars. Think those millions of irate Repubs would be willing patrons of Trump’s hotels, casinos, golf courses, clothing lines or whatever? No way — and Trump certainly knows it. He’s a businessman.

    3. Trump doesn’t like to lose — and he would.

    So, in sum, Trump saying he would run third party is just a stunt.

    http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/08/07/why-trump-will-not-run-third-party/

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