Soft Repeal: ObamaCare Died Today – Murdered By Barack Obama

Update: We’ve gone from House to vote on Upton’s “Keep Your Plan Act” soon to, at 1:33 p.m. on the east coast, the House of Representatives voting on the Upton legislation now. Barack Obama has threatened to wage war against his own promise. How many Obama Dimocrats will vote against their self-interest and millions of Americans under attack by Barack Obama’s lies?

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We thought ObamaCare was to be euthanized tomorrow. The House vote on legislation designed to force Obama to turn his ‘u likey u keepy’ lie into law was set to pass. The chances for the soft repeal law in the Senate looked good as well.

Tomorrow’s vote is a soft repeal vote. That’s a truth few want to admit. A vote to force Barack Obama to keep his oft repeated promises about ObamaCare essentially doomed ObamaCare. That essential truth is why so many expressed shock when Bill Clinton told Obama in a most public manner to “honor the commitment”.

Bill Clinton is no fool and he understands health law as few others do. Bill Clinton knows for ObamaCare to survive Obama’s lies had to be honored intact. ObamaCare missionaries know this too. Nate Cohn at The New Republic has shilled mightily to force ObamaCare into birth and criminal adulthood. After Bill Clinton stuck the shiv into ObamaCare Cohn wrote Bill Clinton Is Wrong. This Is How Obamacare Works.”:

“Clinton’s statement makes it seem as if there is some simple way to let people keep their current plans—to avoid any disruption in the existing non-group market while still delivering the law’s benefits. As readers of this space know, no such magic solution exists. [snip]

And the grandfather clause is narrow, by design: If insurers made even modest changes, the protection goes away. Those plans are subject to the new regulations that take effect in January. As a result, the majority of people who buy insurance on their own are learning they can’t have what they had before, even though Obama promised everybody they could. Either their premiums are going up, as insurers accommodate the new regulations, or the plans are disappearing altogether. In those cases, people have to find new plans. And the sticker price of what they’ll find is higher than what they pay now.

This is not a glitch or an accident. This is the way health care reform is supposed to work. [snip]

But there are real people who must pay more and, in some cases, put up with less. [snip]

They are right to feel burned, since Obama did not make clear his promise might not apply to them.

Obama lied because his lie was a neccessary central pillar of ObamaCare. Like the way he has conducted his life, ObamaCare was a huge lie from birth onward.

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The Upton legislation is a deathblow to ObamaCare. It is soft repeal as compared to a hard core lurid full on turgid repeal. It’s soft repeal:

“The defenders of Obamacare know full well that the Upton legislation represents a serious threat to the viability of the law. It would provide a lifeline for a viable insurance market outside of Obamacare’s rules and suffocating structure. Millions of Americans would flock to a revitalized insurance marketplace that offered lower premium products with better coverage. The end result would be one more step toward fully reversing the catastrophic mistake of Obamacare.”

It’s going to be a long hard death of pain and blood for ObamaCare. By the deathbed will be withered Obama Dimocrats drawn to death themselves as they nurse the ObamaCare death throes and listen to the cheering crowds outside the hospice White House. Still, their perilous political situation as they watched the Virginia election results and the latest polls from North Carolina, forced Obama Dimocrats who voted for ObamaCare to declare their votes for the Upton soft repeal tomorrow.

By today Barack Obama knew that the Upton bill would have a massive bipartisan majority in the House. Barack Obama also knew that all the tricks of Harry Reid would not prevent a similar bill from passing the senate. Barack Obama knew that if any bill passed congress he would have to veto a popular bill that etched into law Obama’s promise. Obama would have to veto Obama’s popular promise. Obama would be at war with himself.

Obama Dimocrats thought that if they proposed many multiples of bills this would provide cover for every Obama Dimocrat that voted for ObamaCare to vote for a bill to keep Obama’s promise without actually passing a bill. That’s right. If Reid could get votes on many bills some Obama Dimocrats could vote for one bill but not another thereby everyone got a job saving vote without anything actually passing the senate and going to Obama for signature which Obama would then have to veto. A veto override vote would pull the duplicitous mask off and Obama Dimocrats would have to vote for or against a veto override. By voting for a veto override they would destroy Obama (whom they need, for their own reelection efforts, to be at least in the high forties in the polls by November 2014). By voting against a veto override they would destroy themselves as angry Americans flocked to the Republican banner.

That gimmick would not have worked because too many Americans are watching an Obama that they now know “cannot be trusted”. Even Nancy Pelousy ran for cover and announced a “yup” vote tomorrow. That hideous future is what forced Barack Obama to propose his useless “administrative fix”. The insurance companies have already slashed at Barack Obama even as he spoke:

“Insurance Industry Rips White House Obamacare Fix

This doesn’t change anything other than force insurers to be the political flack jackets for the administration,” says an insider.

WASHINGTON — The health insurance industry is already attacking a White House fix to Obamacare on Thursday even before the plan is formally announced by the president.

“This doesn’t change anything other than force insurers to be the political flack jackets for the administration,” said an industry insider. “So now when we don’t offer these policies the White House can say it’s the insurers doing this and not being flexible.”

This “administrative fix” will not change anything other than make it more obvious that flim-flam man Barack Obama continues to lie and break the law:

“The president is not proposing that the law be changed to allow all health insurance plans grandfathered into Obamacare’s eligibility requirements.

No, instead the White House is saying that it will use “enforcement discretion” to allow illegal health insurance plans to be able to still be sold. That is, the Obama administration will not enforce the penalty on individuals for not having eligible health insurance plans and they’ll allow the insurance companies to still sell so-called bad plans — plans they technically can’t sell under Obamacare.

“Under the White House’s approach, the Department of Health and Human Services will notify the nation’s state insurance commissioners that they have federal permission to allow consumers who already have such insurance policies to keep them through 2014,” reports the Washington Post.

He’ll also be forcing insurance companies to help advertise for Obamacare by letting customers know that there’s an Obamacare marketplace where they can purchase (or get subsidized) health care coverage.

Obama’s proposal is an extra-legal solution to a big problem for millions of Americans around the country.

I don’t see within the law how they can do this administratively,” said Speaker John Boehner in a press conference on Capitol Hill. “No one can identify anything the president could do administratively to keep his pledge that would be both legal and effective.”

So much for “settled law”. “Through 2014”, after the elections, is not enough of a lie to keep Obama defenses solid. It’s an illegal plan from a flim-flam man.

We told you immigration reform was dead before anyone else. We were right and it won’t be resurrected in an election year of ObamaCare burials.

This is our eulogy for ObamaCare. ObamaCare is dead. Corruption returns to corruption. ObamaCare is dead. Celebrate. Continue to fight.

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240 thoughts on “Soft Repeal: ObamaCare Died Today – Murdered By Barack Obama

  1. Thanks for all the informative comments in the previous article. Those comments kept us up to date on what was happening until we could post this article. MoonOnPluto was on the job.

    Our Hillary Part II article will appear soon. Obama’s extra special boob show today forced the postponement. Tomorrow should be fun as the House votes.

  2. Hahaha here we go…

    Hagan (D-NC) says White House fix to #Obamacare not enough. She faces challenging reelex in ’14

    Insurance commissioners bewildered, stmt: “It is unclear how changes proposed today by President can be put into effect.”

  3. Collapse:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamacare-fix-white-house-99862.html?hp=t2_s

    Though there will be relief among some corners of Congress that the White House has offered a solution, even the rollout of a White House’s proposed fix to Obamacare itself has been bumpy. Senate leaders weren’t even briefed on what the fix will entail ahead of time, sources said.

    “Yes, one is coming,” said one exasperated aide about a proposed fix. “You’d think they’d want to tell us first.”

    Some Democrats indicated Thursday that they aren’t on board with an administrative fix and are insisting that any changes must be done through legislation.

    At a closed-door caucus meeting, Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ) said he would support a GOP bill on the cancellations Friday.

    I am beginning to think members of the administration ?haven’t read the bill,” Pascrell said, according to a source in the room. “I am voting for Upton tomorrow.”

    Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Penn.) expressed similar sentiments.

    “I told the White House yesterday, I said members of Congress aren’t judged by administrative fixes, they’re judged by their voting records,” Doyle said. “And people want to be on the record that we made a commitment to the American people that they could keep their insurance if they like it, and we want to fix that.”

    Judgement Day commeth.

  4. As far back as last March, the media dutifully reported that the CBO reported that these cancellations were coming. So the media knew Obama was lying during the campaign but never said a word to spread this truth — oh, except to call Mitt Romney a liar for telling the truth.

    All these Democrats and members of the elite media now pretending they don’t or didn’t know… Please.

    Just as the media knew Obama was lying about people in the individual market being able to keep their insurance, the media also know that the same apocalypse looms for the employer-based market.

    This is why other serious think tanks believe that before this nightmare is over, up to 93 million people could lose the insurance Obama promised they could keep.

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    CBO: Insurance Cancellations Just Beginning

    by John Nolte 14 Nov 2013, 6:45 AM

    Dozens of times (that we know of) over his campaign to pass ObamaCare and to win re-election, President Obama lied to the American people about being able to keep the health insurance they like. But that lie has only been replaced with another: the lie that these cancellations will be limited to the 5% of Americans in the individual marketplace — when the truth is that these cancellations have only just begun.

    Over at National Review, in a piece appropriately titled “Lying About Lies,” Michael Tanner reports that the same ObamaCare formula currently wiping out the individual market is about to rain hell on the employer-based market. The result will be that tens of millions of policies will be wiped out.

    This is a secret that is and always been hiding in plain sight.

    As far back as last March, the media dutifully reported that the CBO reported that these cancellations were coming. So the media knew Obama was lying during the campaign but never said a word to spread this truth — oh, except to call Mitt Romney a liar for telling the truth.

    All these Democrats and members of the elite media now pretending they don’t or didn’t know… Please.

    Just as the media knew Obama was lying about people in the individual market being able to keep their insurance, the media also know that the same apocalypse looms for the employer-based market. It is not conservatives making this estimate, it is the Congressional Budget Office. [emphasis mine]

    But the same conditions that are causing the cancellation of individual policies will eventually result in the cancellation of millions of employment-based policies as well. The only reason that hasn’t happened yet is that the employer mandate was postponed for a year, so employer plans don’t yet have to be ACA-compliant. But they will. Even the Congressional Budget Office estimates that as many as 20 million workers will lose their current employer-sponsored plans. Combine that with those losing individual plans, and more than 30 million Americans cannot keep their current insurance.

    ObamaCare’s latest trick is the “junk plan hustle.” Over and over, we keep hearing about how our White House overlords are doing Americans a favor by canceling the insurance they like and replacing it with “appropriate” health plans. But most of those plans are not junk plans. That is just another lie the White House is telling, and the media is letting them get away with it.

    The media know the White House is lying about this junk plan nonsense because the ObamaCare guidelines for what isn’t a “junk plan” only includes 2% of the policies currently in existence.

    According to HealthPocket, a health-insurance consulting firm, fewer than 2 percent of individual plans on offer today meet all ACA requirements. The most frequent reason for noncompliance was not a failure to cover hospitalization, as the administration has suggested, but not providing pediatric care, including vision and dental care for children. A worthwhile benefit, perhaps, but if you are childless, it’s hard to see how lacking such a benefit makes your policy subpar.

    This is why other serious think tanks believe that before this nightmare is over, up to 93 million people could lose the insurance Obama promised they could keep.

    In order to buy time, Obama, Democrats, and the media are trying to con the American people into believing that the rolling ObamaCare catastrophe is compartmentalized to just 5% of the population. This conspiracy of silence is all about trying to contain through a lie of omission what is a legitimate reason for the public to panic as soon as they realize that … they are next.

    Obama is not sorry for lying. And the media is not sorry for covering up that lie for three years.

    The phase we are in now is nothing more than a 2.0 version of that exact same lie

  5. The Head Journolister, Ezra Klein:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/14/wonkbook-a-new-low-for-the-obama-administration/

    There will be no immigration bill in this Congress.

    Worsening matters for the White House, Obama’s political influence is at a low ebb. An underappreciated effect of Obamacare’s disastrous roll-out is that congressional Democrats feel betrayed: They took tough votes and lost dozens of seats to pass this law, and then the Obama administration failed to make good on its key political promises (“if you like your health care plan, you can keep it”) and failed to implement the legislation effectively, or even vaguely competently.

    And then there’s Obama’s poll numbers, which, according to Quinnipiac, have dropped to a new low. This graph does not improve Obama’s pull in Congress: [snip]

    Politically and substantively, this is a low for the administration. “Things suck right now,” says one Senate Democratic aide. “They suck unbelievably much, considering where we were six weeks ago.”

    The question is whether it’s rock bottom. Perhaps soon HealthCare.gov will improve, congressional Democrats will relax, and the narrative will shift to “comeback” mode. In that world, it’s even plausible that Republicans could underperform in 2014 and decide to take another look at immigration reform before their standing with Hispanics dooms them in 2016, too.

    It’s also possible, however, that the Web site will continue to fail, the Obama administration’s agenda will continue to flounder, and the damage will simply mount, leading to a disastrous 2014 for Democrats and an early end for the White House’s second-term ambitions.

    The core fact in all of this is that the Obama administration’s fortunes largely lie beyond politics now. They will be decided by the reality of how well their signature law works. Jeff Zients has a big job ahead of him.

    R.I.T. ObamaCare

    [Rest in Torment]

  6. Big Media still spinning lies about Obama. Notice how it is only a small number of losers paying a little more. Still, the confession comes through: ObamaCare is dead.

    LAUER: Chuck, can you tinker with a part of the program and not impact the viability of the entire program, numbers-wise?

    TODD: I’ve talked to one of the architects of this plan… and he essentially argues, no. If you start messing around with this and trying to grandfather in some of these folks, you undermine the whole premise of the law. The whole way insurance companies can make it affordable for somebody who has a preexisting condition is if they are forcing these younger and healthier people essentially to pay a little more. You know, that’s the way, and this is the problem that the president brought upon himself when they didn’t make this clear. There are always winners and losers in any legislation. There is a small number of losers here if you want to count losing as in, having to pay more for your health insurance. Healthy people are going to pay more. That was always the intention, that was the only way you could make the law work if you wanted to bring down the cost for sick people.

  7. “President Obama would go on to admit that the website will not be fixed by the end of November. “This is very complicated,” Obama stated, admitting that he was “discovering” that buying insurance was not like buying a song on iTunes. “The website itself is doing a lot of stuff.” He continued, “The federal government has never been good at this in the past.”
    *******
    Medicare was up and running less than a year after becoming law and those were the days of high tech being IBM punch cards. WWII was run with pencils, paper and slide rules; nothing is the responsibility of this corrupt, sociopathic fraud.

  8. Things suck right now,” says one Senate Democratic aide. “They suck unbelievably much, considering where we were six weeks ago.”
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    This ignoramus deserves a pink slip. How many more are there like him in the ranks of staffers? They are a bad group.

  9. Excellent Eulogy , Admin.

    This statement from NR article typifies the arrogance of the Obamaphiles:

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    “his is not a glitch or an accident. This is the way health care reform is supposed to work+. [snip]

    “But there are real people who must pay more and, in some cases, put up with less. [snip]”

    __________

    Not an accident or glitch, you suckers. And some of you real people will just have to pay more . Some of you may get less. And yeah,
    His Phoniness should have told you that from the beginning, but it was gonna happen anyway. It’s gonna be hard on some Americans, but we all have to sacrifice for the good of the president – er, I mean the country.

    Truth is, as we know, Some Americans, and we may or may not know who we are, are simply expendable as far as the progs are concerned – not that important in the grand scheme. In fact, The health of Americans is not now nor has it ever been something that the WH gives a damn about. The WH is about Obama’s legacy, and Ocare was supposed to be it. Unfortunately for Obama, it is his legacy – regardless of whether it’s fixed, repealed, or whatever, it will forever be his legacy.

    Admiin, what did Obama and his peeps think was going to happen. Did they think he could actually get away with this, as he has everything else? He new people were going to lose their policies. Did he think no one would notice? He could have gotten away with it if it had been some obscure law that – for example – protected tadpoles in their natural habitats. But a law that effects life, limb, vision, health, wellbeing, existence!? People are going to notice that. WTF were they thinking?

  10. Getting messy quickly…..

    already a backlash in Washington, where the state insurance commissioner will *not* be allowing insurers to extend their policies.

    Epic Fail.

  11. S November 14, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    “we will just have to agree to disagree…”

    Please, for the record, it is with that attitude that I engage every discussion, not end the discussion….

    So the debate goes on:

    “….I, for one, do not want to be forced to fork over $6000 a year and another $6000 out of pocket to be forced to submit to remedies I do not adhere to…. that should be my ‘right’ and freedom.”

    Funny you should mention $6000 a year, because that is the ceiling in the French system, for full coverage with almost nothing out of pocket – no deductibles, anyway.

    In that same system, homeopathic medicine is covered for people who prefer that, along with acupuncture and a number of protocols that you might consider “out in left field”. So there is quite a range of choice. But there is a case to be made that it is the medical professional, and not the patient, who has the greatest responsibility and therefore the greater range of freedom in choosing one remedy over another.

    Now, when you say:

    “I know many healthy people over 50 that rarely, if ever, see doctors or use the medical system”,

    you are actually trying to make the case against universal healthcare – that is, that people who don’t think they’re going to get sick should be allowed to go uninsured.

    Hillary would never buy this argument, and neither do I. Nobody can ever say that they won’t get cancer or hepatitis or whatever, just because they take care of themselves and have an aversion to doctors.

    This is just the kind of person – whatever the age – for whom everyone else has to pay when your body plays tricks on you. Thus the individual mandate.

  12. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/State-rebuts-Obama-plan-to-allow-old-health-insurance-policies-231949931.html

    State rebuts Obama plan to allow old health insurance policies

    OLYMPIA, Wash. — Just hours after President Obamaannounced changes to his health care law to give insurance companies the option to keep offering consumers plans that would otherwise be canceled, Washington state Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler says those changes will not be allowed in our state.

    Kreidler says Thursday he has “serious concerns” about how Obama’s proposal would be implemented and its potential impact on the overall stability of the state’s health insurance market.

    “I do not believe his proposal is a good deal for the state of Washington,” Kreidler said in a statement announcing his decision. “In the interest of keeping the consumer protections, we have enacted and ensuring that we keep health insurance costs down for all consumers, we are staying the course. We will not be allowing insurance companies to extend their policies. I believe this is in the best interest of the health insurance market in Washington.”

    He says the Washington-based exchange at Wahealthplanfinder.org is up and running and successfully enrolling thousands of consumers.

    “We have worked for three years to implement the Affordable Care Act in a way that works best for Washingtonians,” Kriedler said. “One goal of our efforts has been to build a stable, fair and competitive individual health insurance market.”

    Only last week, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a Senate panel she doubted that retroactively permitting insurers to sell canceled policies “can work very well since companies are now in the market with an array of new plans. Many have actually added consumer protections in the last three-and-a-half years.”

    Obama has been under enormous pressure from congressional Democrats to give ground on the cancellation issue under the health care overhaul, a program likely to be at the center of next year’s midterm elections for control of the House and Senate.

    It’s unclear what the nationwide impact of Thursday’s changes will be for the millions of people who have already had their plans canceled. While officials said insurance companies will now be able to offer those people the option to renew their old plans, companies are not required to take that step.

    ……………………

    I think this is going to be the response from most…..epic fail.

  13. There will be no immigration bill in this Congress.

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    The self imposed immigration bill has hit somewhat today. Immigrants that thought they would get free Obamacare will be running back over the border when they try to sign up for subsidized healthcare.

    When the rest of the insurance cancellations come though in the coming months, many citizens will be wanting to run to France and join up for socialized medicine over there, or take Michael Moore’s advice and smuggle themselves onbord ships to Cuba.

    My concern is for all that had healthcare, have serious illnesses and will be running to the emergency rooms with no insurance.

  14. Freespirit, you write (emphasis added):

    Admiin, what did Obama and his peeps think was going to happen. Did they think he could actually get away with this, as he has everything else? He new people were going to lose their policies. Did he think no one would notice? He could have gotten away with it if it had been some obscure law that – for example – protected tadpoles in their natural habitats. But a law that effects life, limb, vision, health, wellbeing, existence!? People are going to notice that. WTF were they thinking?

    Yes, they did think they could get away with it.

    The plan was to have a massive rollout on October 1. The plan was to have Obama in one state university, Michelle in another university, Biden in another university, Jill Biden in another university, and every other person they could get and every organization and every actor/actress to pimp this diseased cow Obamination.

    The plan was to have a massive rollout then tout the great success. Add to the massive rollout on October 1 a plan to spotlight all the happy little peoples happy happy happy with their new ObamaCare.

    The plan was to go directly from massive rollout celebration day to Big Media glorification featuring all the people so very happy with the new social disorder. This great propaganda push of the happy people celebrating dear leader and dear leader’s great leap forward would drown out the complaints and those hurt by ObamaCare.

    But then the website happened and they knew the website would not be ready so they postponed the big rollout.

    With the massive rollout celebrations postponed and the desperate search to find the happy happy people when only 6 had enrolled – the plan began to fail.

    Instead of the happy happy happy people lavishing praise on dear leader and the dear leader’s great leap forward what Americans witnessed was the people abused and looted by the dear leader. Big Media could not ignore the disaster because even Big Media Obama loving personalities (Dylan Ratigan of MSNBC) were hurt by ObamaCare.

    The people that were to be ignored came into the spotlight. The people that were to be spotlighted were in the dark.

    Yes, they thought they could get away with it. But their own internet website told the truth.

  15. Guy Benson has this from earlier today before Obama’s latest blunder: Blame Bill Clinton:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/11/14/civil-war-msnbc-attacks-bill-clinton-over-obamacare-comments/

    Civil war: MSNBC attacks Bill Clinton over Obamacare comments

    It’s ugly behind the scenes, and it’s ugly on the air. Krystal Ball:

    “If there was a way under the law that you could make this work so that people could keep the thing that they wanted to keep, he would do it,” she continued. “The problem is this whole law was designed to have as little disruption as possible. This was the minimum amount of disruption possible…Bill Clinton is basically engaging in magical thinking here,” Ball declared. “That you can just snap your fingers and say, ‘Go ahead guys. Keep what you got.’ It doesn’t work that way.”

    Ah, but that’s what people were repeatedly promised — and Senate Democrats unanimously refused to address this inevitable problem in 2010. Lots and lots of “magical thinking” going on these days, it would seem. Ed Schultz got in on the Bubba-bashing action, too. Delicious:

    Clinton’s ‘permission slip’ interview led to the dam bursting. Screaming about it may be cathartic for Big Ed, but it changes nothing. Rant away, bro.

    Will they denounce Barack Obama for “magical thinking”?

  16. Thanks, Admin.

    The synchronicity of the monster hinged on the website, and when the website was atrocious and unusable, the dominoes started to fall. Makes sense.

    How absolutely amazing that they did not iron out the massive kinks in the website. They must have barely bothered to test the system prior to launch.

    Ironic – Obama’s tech-head army played a major role in getting him selected president. The tech-heads he hired to develop the Obamacare website have played a major role in exposing him and bringing him down.

  17. “Clinton’s ‘permission slip’ interview led to the dam bursting.”

    ___________________

    Payback’s a bitch – way more than 99 bitches. I’ll bet Obama’s singing that JZ rap out of a different side of his mouth now. Remember when he was all manic after Iowa – I think, singing that song in reference to Hillary and grinning his ass off?

    Karma is not always as much fun as one would hope!!

  18. Civil war: MSNBC attacks Bill Clinton over Obamacare comments

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    Perfect, pull out the race card on Bill again and it will be the Big Dawg off the leash, calling out more details of the Fairytale.

    Setting up Hillary to come out of the fog, drop some bread crumbs before she takes the dragon by the tail, early next year.

  19. foxyladi14
    November 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm

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    I am so shallow that I hang my head in shame.

    The minute I see a video posted on the blog of my guy Trey, I immediately look at his wacky hairdo of the day. Today wishing he would get a different barber or buy a wig.

    Now that I have gotten it out of my system, I can watch the video.
    😉

  20. …hey I got an idea…let O go “unwaiver” all the “waivers” he gave to his selectively chosen friends and let them start contributing to his fiasco, instead of the law abiding middle class that was just trying to get by and within a budget they could afford and with the choices that work for their families…

    this ‘one size fits all’ just does not work…and I will say it again…Americans do not like being forced to suddenly do what ‘daddy’ tells them they must…whether they like it or not…and then even get a penalty if they do not obey…

    (and frankly if Hillary tries forcing this on people she is going to get pushback too, especially from young people…this is reality…and people are starting to understand what is at stake as it comes out of the shadows and is explained and people see the consequences…especially for all those that thought they were going to get a free ride or it would only effect someone else and not them)

    O should have quit while he was ahead…one term and he could have sauntered off and golfed all day…but no, O’s ‘magical thinking’ believed all his own popular press and he thought no one would dare question him…he thought he was infallible…

  21. Admin…I think you hit the nail on the head when you said:

    “so much for the “settled law”…

    how do dims climb out of that talking point hole?

  22. Revealed: Obamacare plans will cost MORE ‘in many cases’ even with government subsidies, officials admit for the first time
    By David Martosko, U.s. Political Editor

    The Obama administration has directly conceded for the first time that ‘in many cases,’ health insurance plans offered through government exchanges are more expensive than plans consumers bought before the Affordable Care Act became law – even when government subsidies are figured in.

    In a letter to state insurance commissioners, Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight director Gary Cohen wrote on Thursday that one reason for the new Obamacare measures the president announced Thursday is that millions of consumers receiving cancellation letters from their insurers are learning the Affordable Care Act options are in fact less affordable.

    ‘Although affected individuals and small businesses may access quality health insurance coverage through the new Health Insurance Marketplaces,’ Cohen wrote, ‘in many cases with federal subsidies, some of them are finding that such coverage would be more expensive than their current coverage, and thus they may [be] dissuaded from immediately transitioning to such coverage.’

    His written statement contradicts President Obama’s campaign promises that the Affordable Care Act would lower costs for Americans.

    In October of that year he said during a campaign rally in Columbus, Ohio that ‘we are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president.’

    SCROLL DOWN TO READ THE LETTER

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2507489/Obamacare-plans-cost-cases-WITH-government-subsidies-Obama-administration-admits-time.html#ixzz2kfVF5vzG

  23. moononpluto
    November 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    I have known a number of the insurance commissioners of Washington going all the way back to Karl Herman. They do what the insurance companies want. This guy Kreidler is no exception.

    The only one of them who was willing to face down the industry did so under circumstances of duress. The Tacoma Narrows Bridge aka Galluping Gertie had collapsed under heavy winds, the broker whose firm I later did business with arranged the coverage, the insurers refused to respond because all the broker had bought to cover the risk was homeowners policies, which landed the broker in McNeil Island Penitentiary and left the state with a huge uninsured loss. Under those circumstances, the commissioner put his arm around all admitted carriers in the state and told them to use their collective resources to pay the claim. They did. Kreidler does not have the stones to do that.

  24. http://capitolcityproject.com/second-okeefe-video-exposes-more-obamacare-navigators-telling-people-to-commit-fraud-and-deceit/

    Within the new video, Obamacare Navigators in Texas yet again counsel the reporters to lie in order to avoid higher premiums.

    “To get a lower premium, I wouldn’t include it…that’s my money,” Obamacare Navigator Kris McCray from Change Happens in Houston, Texas, advises the reporter of the cash she ‘earned’ on the side but failed to report in her taxes. “I would just try to get that number as low as you can. It would help you qualify for more stuff as far as aid and stuff like that.”

    “Do you report this on your taxes?” asks Claudia Flamand of the North Texas Area Community Health Center in Fort Worth, Texas. After the reporter says that he does not, she responds by telling him not to worry. “So if you don’t report it…It’s the same with people who clean houses…Yeah, they don’t report the taxes, they don’t report that income,” she says.

    That’s not all.

    “So if you don’t claim the income, you don’t have to,” a Navigator from the Community Health Centers of South Central Texas advises. “Are you sure they won’t find out?” asks the undercover reporter. The Navigator reassures that no one will find out.

  25. Its all very simple, when you are a Messiah. You see solutions which others do not see. You behold the entire universe in a single glance. Not a sparrow falls to earth but you do not hear it.

    So when it comes to a trivial matter like saving our health care system from the destruction which your signature legislation, your greatest civil rights victory since 1964 according to the New York Times will create, beyond the current reality of systemic collapse you see a solution and the dreamy of peace in our time.

    The prescription? Arsenic in large doses and more hopium from big media.

    (P.S.I gave them my apology. If they don’t like it they can go fuck themselves. I am late for my starting time.)
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    President Obama’s “Administrative Fix” Will Make the Problem Worse
    Dogs and and cats living together

    By: Leon H. Wolf (Diary) | November 14th, 2013 at 04:00 PM | 19

    RESIZE: AAA

    By now you have no doubt heard that President Obama, in a disastrous and meandering news conference, has announced that he will attempt, via executive fiat, to implement something very similar to the Upton Plan, which will purportedly allow (but not require) insurance companies to continue to offer plans that were made illegal by Obamacare. Without wading into the politics of this move, as a matter of policy, it is going to be a disaster. That the President would even attempt it indicates that he does not have even a rudimentary understanding of how insurance works – which is a minor problem seeing as how he apparently sees fit to unilaterally dictate insurance policy for the whole country as of today.

    Insurance premiums today are set and fixed by an incredibly byzantine process that is the product of decades of often nonsensical federal and state regulation. Speaking in gross generalizations, insurance companies have complex actuarial algorithms that attempt to capture what a risk pool will look like, the parameters of which are, again, generally set by law. Once generated (again, generally speaking) insurance companies must submit requested premium to state insurance commissioners who permit those premiums if they fit a profit model that is set by the regulatory framework.

    If the previous paragraph caused your eyes to glaze over, just know this: rolling out policy particulars and setting premiums is a lengthy process that cannot be easily short circuited. It is not as simple as adjusting the price of a widget to compensate for a 10% increase in its gross cost. The current premiums (which are giving people sticker shock) are built upon assumptions, already baked into the actuarial tables, about what the risk pool would look like given that the old plans would be illegal and no one would be on them.

    Now, I have some real concerns about whether what Obama is attempting to do via executive order is even legal, but set that aside for a moment. Even if this passed through proper channels in Congress, it would be a terrible idea and would destabilize the entire market. Even if such a plan went into effect today, it would essentially require companies to run the actuarial gauntlet in 45 days just to get policies underwritten on Dec. 31, which they have been saying that they cannot do ever since something like the Upton plan was announced.

    Stating this even more simply, dumping a large population of policies into the pool at this late of a date that the actuaries haven’t accounted for may well destabilize the entire insurance marketplace. As noted by AHIP:

    Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption of when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace. If due to these changes fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase in the marketplace and there will be fewer choices for consumers. Additional steps must be taken to stabilize the marketplace and mitigate the adverse impact on consumers.

    This is why, after Obama announced that it would be up to state Insurance Commissioners to decide whether to allow the old plans to be dumped back into the system at the last minute, it took about five minutes for the state of Washington to reject the idea wholesale:

    Just hours after President Obama announced changes to his health care law to give insurance companies the option to keep offering consumers plans that would otherwise be canceled, Washington state Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler says those changes will not be allowed in our state.

    Kreidler says Thursday he has “serious concerns” about how Obama’s proposal would be implemented and its potential impact on the overall stability of the state’s health insurance market.

    “I do not believe his proposal is a good deal for the state of Washington,” Kreidler said in a statement announcing his decision. “In the interest of keeping the consumer protections, we have enacted and ensuring that we keep health insurance costs down for all consumers, we are staying the course. We will not be allowing insurance companies to extend their policies. I believe this is in the best interest of the health insurance market in Washington.”

    Folks, while it would be great for a lot of people if such a fix were doable, the reality is that the bell cannot be unrung for 2014. And if Congress tries to force insurance companies to offer these plans at the last minute, it may well result in a much worse outcome than just letting this whole horrible charade play out.

    As a side note, it is especially galling to ask insurance companies to offer policies that are illegal under black letter Federal law (in addition to being completely outside actuarial computations and the regulatory framework) just because Obama asks them nicely to do so, given that he basically ran two presidential campaigns on how evil they were.

    I realize a lot of people are hurting because of this but what’s being proposed right now isn’t a fix. It’s a poison pill for the economy at large, and we should resist the urge to swallow it just because it might make our current headache go away.

  26. For those of us who are not on the operating table at the moment this is a learning experience:

    First, the revelation that he knew what he was promising was a lie settles with finality the lingering question of whether he is incompetent or corrupt. He is corrupt. He may also be incompetent, but that is not the deciding factor.

    Second, the revelation by Breitbart set forth above proves what I have been saying is true. They knew it was a lie just as he did, and they covered it up. In addition, it proves that there big media and the Obama Administration are a single entity. There is a vast interchange of personnel, a sharing of talking points, mutual protection, mutual demonization of the opposition and a common intent to screw the American People.

    This conclusion is clear as a bell. Therefore, what will it take for the American People to turn their collective backs on big media? What will it take for the other party to stop playing ball with them, and letting them arbitrate elections in this country? How much more proof do they need to simply say adios.

  27. MSNBC attacks Bill Clinton over Obamacare comments
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    Which hearkens back to what MSNBC President Phil Griffin told the young Turk: outsiders are cool. They wear leather jackets and drive motor cycles. We here as MSNBC are NOT outsiders. We are insiders in this administration.

    MSNBC is a hate site. Obama is using MSNBC to counter attack Clinton. These comments came right from the White House. MSNBC simply provided a conduit to an audience who worships Obama and survives on hate.

  28. Megyn Kelly agrees with our proposition that ObamaCare died today. She is about to focus on that issue in a few moments.

  29. This may be a stupid question, but has anyone gone on the HellCare website and tried to navigate though it at all?

    Just wondering…I’m not going near that toxic site.

  30. LOCKED IN THE CABINET
    The worst job in Barack Obama’s Washington.

    Steven Chu is a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, a brilliant innovator …bla, bla, bla…bullshit…bla, bla….

    [big snip]

    …inside the West Wing of the White House Chu was considered a smart guy who said lots of stupid things, a genius with an appallingly low political IQ—“clueless,” as deputy chief of staff Jim Messina would tell colleagues at the time.

    [snip]

    …A phone rang. It was White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel calling Messina to snarl, “If you don’t kill [Chu], I’m going to.”

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/locked-in-the-cabinet-99374.html

  31. I hate to post an article by Hillary hater Brent Budowski, who penned many articles slamming Hillary in 2008. His writing was remarkable only because he managed to have both hands on his keyboard, while his lips were firmly planted on Obama’s rear-end – a flexible dude, Brent.

    He has remained a devoted disciple of the O’messiah from jump. Granted, in recent months he has written one or two negative rants about Obama’s performance – still with his lips attached to O’s backside. Brent loves him some Obama.

    But in this article at thehill.com, his devotion to his guy was complete, Ole Brent removed every question about his mind’s proximity to reality. Clearly, he is either trippin’ or suffering from delusions of Obama’s grandeur.

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    Brent Budowsky: Obama can rise again”

    By Brent Budowsky – 11/13/13 05:54 PM EST

    “Democrats can win in 2014 the way Harry Truman won in 1948. President Obama, Democratic leaders in Congress, former President Clinton, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Organizing for Action, the Ready for Hillary super-PAC and Democrats everywhere should launch an aggressive campaign with the following theme for 2014:

    Voters who disapprove of Congress should “throw out the bums” who create the conditions that voters despise, and should defeat do-nothing and obstruct-everything Republicans in Washington.

    Those who stampede with the herd and overemphasize the negative about Obama might reread the Gallup polls in September and October 2011, which were virtually identical to polling today, and media commentary then, which was virtually identical to commentary today.

    One year after Obama’s low in 2011, he won a resounding reelection victory. Democrats performed brilliantly in Senate elections. Democrats gained seats in the House and won a million more votes than House Republicans nationally.

    Yes, the president has hurdles to overcome, but he can certainly rise again as he did after October 2011”.

    (snip)

    thehill.com

  32. Every time things have come to a head before, the fucking RINO caves. Every single time. The Washington Times had an article talking about Obama’s regulatory fix. It is based on his presumed discretion in faithfully executing the laws. That is a narrow provision, yet he expanded it to the limits of its logic when he unilaterally exempted employers for one year, and labor unions as well. In other words he used this discretion which is procedural in nature to make substantive changes to the law, thereby usurping the powers of congress. The RINO will roll over in a New York Minute, because the yellow streak on his back says born to run. Roberts is no different. Where I find the glimmer of hope is in the comments to that article. These people get it. It is Obama, the dims,the RINO and big media. That is the cabal working against this nation. That is in short, the uniparty. These commentors get it:
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    • 10 hours ago

    Start drafting up Articles of Impeachment. No President in US History has had MORE reason to impeach than this one does.

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    Americathelost big_conservative
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    He is making a mockery of Congress and the Constitution.
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    Scott Stein Americathelost
    • 10 hours ago

    And being allowed to! If our Congressmen don’t do something, we need to fire all of them
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    Alan Muldoon Scott Stein
    • 10 hours ago

    I agree completely. They talk, talk, and criticize but no backbone to do anything against this idiot
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    Samadhi Alan Muldoon
    • 10 hours ago

    no, the RINOS have no backbone.
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    Alan Muldoon Samadhi
    • 10 hours ago

    Yes you are correct. And when people do stand up to him they are reclassified as wacko birds
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    Samadhi Alan Muldoon
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    yup i intend to vote against any RINO that runs from now on. I will vote for Tea PArty or conservative first. I will only vote for a RINO over a Democrat, although these days there is little difference.

    Good thing is in Texas we have few RINOs.
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    In Connecticut we have nothing BUT democrats in every representative and senator office. No wonder no jobs and every one fleeing. Everyone’s face up obama’s backside
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  33. Samadhi Alan Muldoon
    • 10 hours ago

    yup i intend to vote against any RINO that runs from now on. I will vote for Tea PArty or conservative first. I will only vote for a RINO over a Democrat, although these days there is little difference.
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    That comment is in error. If it is a RINO vs a democrat, you vote for the democrat, unless he is an Obamaite.

  34. This Budowsky is a loon. Like Obama, he conflates campaigning with governing. Obama has never stopped campaigning and has never began governing. He has no experience governing. He is a grifter and that is all he is.

  35. I had forgotten who this Budowky was. He was a staffer for Lloyd Bentzen. These staffies who go on to become bloggers are worthless, and should not be listened to.

  36. freespirit
    November 14, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    “Voters who disapprove of Congress should “throw out the bums” who create the conditions that voters despise”

    Um, voters despise Obamacare so that means throw out all the Dems. That guy is what I call in pleasant company a total numbnut.

    I love how the Dems constantly point to the CONGRESSIONAL disapproval and discern that it is the Republicans that are causing this low number.

    They somehow seem to forget that they are a part of Congress also. Congress is not merely the House.

  37. Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said he was still “concerned about people having policies which don’t do anything. They’re just junk policies.”
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    This guy is a certifiable lunatic.

    There is real trouble in his eyes.

    He has been predicting a civil war.

    Now this little gem.

    What-junk-policy-is-he-talking-about.

    He never says.

    He is just like that Pallone space cadet from NJ.

    I swear Harkin reminds me of John Brown at Harpers Ferry.

  38. VotingHillary
    November 15, 2013 at 12:10 am
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    The Senate is where the problem is. That is the body that is least responsive to the American People. It is haven and home to the likes of Schumer, Durbin, Corker, Heller, Houven, McCain, Graham, and some of the dumbest people in Washington including Senator Murray from my state.

  39. We need billboards like this in every state.
    ===

    Why Lie?… Oregon Billboard Bashes Democrats on Obamacare

    This anti-Obamacare billboard popped up on the Interstate 205 near Estracada, Oregon.

    Victoria Taft reported:

    This billboard debuted this week on Interstate 205 near Estacada in Oregon. It reminds voters of who voted for the ObamaCare debacle. You own it Democrats President Barack Obama, Governor John Kitzhaber, Senator Ron Wyden and Senator Jeff Merkley.

    We need more of these. Jeff Merkley voted for ObamaCare and for the “grandfather” clause that destroyed millions of individual insurance policies. He knew what he was doing.He’s one of the 15 Senators up for re-election in 2014 and now he wants to change the subject. We shouldn’t let him.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/it-begins-oregon-billboard-bashes-democrats-on-obamacare/

  40. Obama Bashes America Again – Says ‘The System’ Doesn’t Give People ‘A Fair Shot’ (Video)

    He can’t help it.
    He sees America as an inherently flawed nation.
    It’s his upbringing.

    Barack Obama was scheduled to discuss a political “fix” to Obamacare today. But off TelePrompter he couldn’t help but bash America.

    “I wake up every single day working as hard as I can on behalf of Americans out there from every walk of life who are working hard, meeting their responsibilities, uh, but sometimes they’re struggling because of the way the system works isn’t giving them a fair shot.“

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/outrageous-obama-bashes-america-the-system-doesnt-give-people-a-fair-shot-video/

  41. moononpluto November 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Great article you quote. Let’s not overlook:

    Kreidler says… the Washington-based exchange at Wahealthplanfinder.org is up and running and successfully enrolling thousands of consumers.
    “We have worked for three years to implement the Affordable Care Act in a way that works best for Washingtonians,” Kriedler said. “One goal of our efforts has been to build a stable, fair and competitive individual health insurance market.”

    which goes to show that people of good will are trying to make the PPACA work and are succeeding, and which makes me wonder if the problems are due to people of ill will toward this law, which people are myriad.

    In any event, I’m still thinking in terms of how this whole storm will affect HRC 2016. Fox is reporting a Washington Times article reminding us that

    “When she was last a candidate for president in 2007, Hillary Clinton unveiled her own health care proposal, which, like Obamacare, included beefed-up benefits and a catchy pitch: “If you have a plan you like, you keep it.””

    and that…

    “In 1993, when her husband was president, she led a health care reform effort that ultimately crashed and burned.”

    which reminds us that HRC is going to face stiff opposition from the right on this issue, while Shadowfax reminds us of the rising opposition from the left:

    “MSNBC attacks Bill Clinton over Obamacare comments

    Perfect, pull out the race card on Bill again and it will be the Big Dawg off the leash, calling out more details of the Fairytale.

    Setting up Hillary to come out of the fog, drop some bread crumbs before she takes the dragon by the tail, early next year.”

    My objection to Shadowfax’s argument concerns only “early next year.” HRC can and should let Bill fight these battles until mid-2015, when she’s due to declare. She’s got time, let her sit back and watch the show….

  42. Now what was that yesterday…..

    President threatens to veto Keep Your Health Plan Act

    http://twitchy.com/2013/11/14/president-threatens-to-veto-keep-your-health-plan-act/

    What was that DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz tweeted earlier today about the president being eager to work with Republicans to get the Affordable Care Act working?

    Well, so much for that idea. It seems that President Obama is intent on he and the Democrats retaining sole ownership of this train wreck.

    Today in his presser, Obama said he’d work with Republicans and Democrats to fix ObamaCare. Tonight he threatens a veto.

    The White House announced President Obama will veto the “Keep Your Plan Act” if it’s passed. Let that sink in.

    so basically…Obama schedule. 11/14/13:

    AM: Announce illegal change to Obamacare.
    PM: Threaten to veto legal change to Obamacare.

    …………………

    John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz

    The WH has officially gone mental. Screaming veto at the top of its lungs after today’s lunatic presser? That’s just weird behavior.

    ……………………….
    John Ekdahl @JohnEkdahl
    Simply from an optics standpoint, it’s tough not to see Obama as power mad. “I’ll veto your legislation & do it on my own without Congress”

    …………………….

    This is hilarious….its a sociopath on a grand scale.

  43. Little-Known Tax Funding Obamacare
    Franklin Lakes, New Jersey (My9NJ) –

    The Affordable Care Act or Obamacare seems to be in the headlines every day because of all of the problems surrounding the launch. And while most realize the law is funded in part by the individual mandate and penalty tax, it is also being funded in ways that are not discussed as much in the media.

    Luxury real estate broker Ron Aioso says there is a tax that is rarely discussed that also helps fund Obamacare. It is a tax on high-income taxpayers when they sell their homes.

    Franklin Lakes, N.J. was listed on Forbes.com in 2010 as one of “America’s Most Expensive ZIP Codes”, with a median home price of $1.3M.

    Aioso says homeowners in a neighborhood like this could really be impacted by the Obamacare tax.

    “Where we are today in a luxury area, you look and you see this home behind me, somebody like this is really affected,” he said.

    If you are single with an adjusted gross income of $200,000 or file jointly with an income of $250,000 or more, you may be impacted. Once you sell your home, any profits over the first $500,000 are already subject to a capital gains tax. And now those profits will have an additional 3.8% tax to fund Obamacare.

    Aioso noted that there is also a lot of confusion surrounding this tax and many homeowners know little about it.

    “I think more than anything we need some education on it so people fully understand what is this 3.8%? What am I paying?” Aioso said.

    http://www.my9nj.com/story/23967715/njs-rich-funding-obamacare

  44. “wbboei November 14, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    … insurance commissioners of Washington… do what the insurance companies want. This guy Kreidler is no exception.”

    Well, I meant to ask you directly if you knew anything about Kreidler and what you thought of him, I guess I’ve got my answer.

    But are his statements incorrect? Are people in Washington having as much difficulty as people elsewhere?

  45. Amazing if true and a hope they are moving towards a more democratic system….

    AP: State media in China reports the country will loosen one-child policy and abolish labour camp system

  46. Put her face on a billboard!
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    Boxer Defends Obama’s Promises on Health Insurance: ‘Absolutely a Fact’

    (CNSNews.com) – Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said it’s “absolutely a fact” that people who like their insurance plans can keep them, as President Obama promised – if that plan “met the standards” set by Obamacare, that is.

    CNSNews.com said to Boxer on Thursday: “After President Obama signed the ACA he said that if you like your health care plan you will keep it. No one can take that away from you.”

    “I think everyone knows he said that,” Boxer said. She spoke shortly before Obama announced that he would let insurance companies renew policies for existing customers in the individual market through 2014, even if those policies don’t meet the law’s requirements.

    “But is it true or false?” CNSNews.com asked.

    “Oh, it’s absolutely a fact that if you had a plan that you wanted to keep, that met the standards, you could keep it,” Boxer said “If it was a junk plan and didn’t meet the standards, you couldn’t, but he’s about to fix it now.”

    – See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/boxer-defends-obama-s-promises-health-insurance-absolutely-fact#sthash.TkqeP4vU.dpuf

  47. Just past 4:30 this morning Philadelphia’s 6ABC referred to Obamacare situation as a fiasco. So I was tempted to pop a Brewski. But it’s early.

    Groups Mobilize to Aid Democrats in ’14 Data Arms Race
    By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE Published: November 14, 2013
    SNIP

    George Soros, the retired hedge fund billionaire and longtime patron of liberal causes, will invest $2.5 million in the effort, officials involved with the plan said. His participation is a signal that some of the wealthy donors who arrived late to the Democrats’ “super PAC” efforts in 2012 are committing early for the next round. SNIP

    President Obama’s campaign spent tens of millions of dollars building a program to identify likely supporters and to motivate them with ads, social media efforts and get-out-the-vote messages. But the data experts and engineers who built Mr. Obama’s tech programs have largely moved into the private sector. And the president’s political organization faces an uncertain future: Reborn after Election Day as a tax-exempt advocacy group, it has struggled to translate Mr. Obama’s millions of supporters into an effective tool for advancing his agenda on issues like guns and immigration. SNIP

    The initiative, as yet unnamed, will be based at Catalist, a for-profit cooperative founded in 2006 by Harold Ickes, a former aide to Hillary Rodham Clinton, and others. SNIP

    Details of the effort were presented this week at a Washington conference of the Democracy Alliance, SNIP

    On Thursday, boldfaced names of the Democratic donor world mingled at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel with rising Democratic stars like Wendy Davis, a contender for the Texas governor’s race, and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, who has been urged by some supporters to consider a presidential bid. Ms. Warren gave a speech touching on Republican efforts to filibuster Mr. Obama’s judicial nominees and the drive to bring intellectual diversity to the federal bench, attendees said, and was warmly received. GAG:“She’s been a darling here since the first time she came,” said Rob McKay, the alliance’s chairman. The conference will also feature the installation of Gara LaMarche, a veteran of liberal philanthropy, as the alliance’s new president. SNIP

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/us/politics/groups-mobilize-to-aid-democrats.html?_r=0

  48. I stopped listening or taking note of Boxer when she did her about face on Hillary when Hillary won California and she backed Obama, so she can go take a run and jump off a cliff because she’s nothing but a lying hag.

  49. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/11/14/white-house-defends-legality-of-obamacare-fix/

    White House defends legality of Obamacare fix

    By Greg Sargent
    November 14 at 5:25 pm

    With President Obama trying to quell a rebellion among Democrats by proposing his own administrative fix to Obamacare, foes of the law took to Twitter today to demand what authority the President has to unilaterally change his law by “fiat,” as at least one critic put it.

    The Obama “fix” to the law allows insurance companies to continue current policies for a year. What is the legal basis for this, given that the Affordable Care Act stipulates minimum standards for health coverage?

    I put the question to the Obama administration. Here’s the answer, from a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services:

    “The Supreme Court held more than 25 years ago that agencies charged with administering statues have inherent authority to exercise discretion to ensure that their statutes are enforced in a manner that achieves statutory goals and are consistent with other administrative policies. Agencies may exercise this discretion in appropriate circumstances, including when implementing new or different regulatory regimes, and to ensure that transitional periods do not result in undue hardship.”

    The Supreme Court case in question, HHS says, is Heckler v. Chaney in 1985. That case involved a lawsuit brought by inmates who were sentenced to death by states. They sued to force the FDA to take action to block the use of certain drugs in state lethal injections, on the theory that the FDA has no authority to approve this use of the drugs. But the Court ruled that private citizens cannot force a federal agency to bring an enforcement action, even one in keeping with federal statutes.

    David Vladeck, an expert in administrative law at Georgetown Law, tells me that critics would likely point out that the specifics of the case are not parallel to the current argument over the Affordable Care Act. “The inevitable question will be, what does lethal injection have to do with the health law?” Vladeck said.

    But Vladeck clarified that the larger finding of the Court in that case does in fact support the administration’s reading of administrative law.

    “The ultimate conclusion of the Court was that when it comes to using the various tools an agency has, it has very broad discretion, including refraining from enforcement actions, if the agency thinks this it will achieve its statutory goals,” said Vladeck, who was a political appointee to the FTC during Obama’s first term, but is widely quoted as an independent expert on these topics.

    “The President does have discretion not to take enforcement action when he believes it would frustrate the purpose of federal law,” Vladeck added.

    Vladeck said the problems with the health law had created a rare set of administrative and legal conundrums that virtually ensured that the legal rationale for a fix would appear odd at first glance.

    “The administration is put in a position where they have to use what seems like an odd justification to delay the president’s signature achievement,” Vladeck concluded. “But I think they’re being responsible in doing it, and the legal case for it is solid.”

    Critics of the law, one imagines, will not deem this persuasive. But there’s the rationale.

    ………………………….

    But we have been told for years now, this is “settled law” and nothing could be done to change anything and now suddenly they can?

  50. Anyone surprised?

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obamacare-advocate-poised-become-next-u-surgeon-general-015515582.html

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama will nominate the head of a doctors group that promotes his signature healthcare law to be the next U.S. surgeon general, the White House said on Thursday, shortly after Obama proposed a “fix” for the latest problem with the law.

    Vivek Hallegere Murthy, president of Doctors for America, will succeed Rear Admiral Boris Lushniak, who has been acting as the surgeon general since July, overseeing public health endeavors around the country, after Regina Benjamin completed her four-year term.

    Doctors for America is a group of 15,000 physicians and medical students that has rallied behind Obamacare through participating in marches, filing an amicus brief in the Supreme Court case on the law, and even visiting the Republican National Convention to promote it, according to the group’s website.

    In 2011 Obama appointed Murthy to an advisory group on prevention formed under the law, the White House said.

    On Thursday, the president tried to address a rash of cancellations of health insurance policies that do not meet Obamacare’s standards by allowing those policies to continue well into 2015.

    The solution could create new snags. Insurers and state regulators said it may lead to higher premiums and logistical nightmares.

    Murthy, who received his doctor of medicine and his master of business administration degrees from Yale University and completed undergraduate studies at Harvard University, is an attending physician and instructor at Brigham and Women’s Hospital at Harvard.

    He also helped found two technology companies related to medicine: Trial Networks, a cloud-based platform for pharmaceutical and biotechnology trials; and Epernicus LLC, a networking site for research scientists, according to his LinkedIn profile and the company websites.

  51. S November 14, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    “this ‘one size fits all’ just does not work…and I will say it again… Americans do not like being forced…. and frankly if Hillary tries forcing this on people she is going to get pushback too“

    This is why I’m wondering where your head was at in 2007-08, when Hillary was openly trying to “force” a universal healthcare system on America.

    Her plan had an individual mandate to make the system universal, though no mechanism such as a penalty for enforcing it.

    I clearly remember that, at that time, Obama was asking how HRC was going to force healthcare insurance on people (HRC responded: sign ‘em up at the emergency room!), but Obama, again at that time, shied away from the individual mandate and Paul Krugman at NYT estimated that Obama’s system would consequently be no more universal than healthcare was at the time.

    So can I assume that, in 2007-08, you were an Obama supporter?

    I think it goes without saying that you will not support Hillary in 2016, because healthcare has been a lifelong concern for Hillary, and you can count on it: improving on the ACA will still be a plank in her platform in 2016, she will still be aiming for a universal healthcare system….

  52. Oprah in Europe insulting Americans to protect treacherous liar boob Barack Obama:

    http://therightscoop.com/video-oprah-winfrey-tells-bbc-many-americans-hate-obama-because-hes-black/

    Oprah Winfrey is going around the world telling everyone that Americans are racist while she promotes her new film:

    Oprah Winfrey has been a prominent supporter of Barack Obama. She thinks that both he and the Office of President have been treated with contempt because of the colour of his skin.

    “There’s a level of disrespect for the office that occurs. And that occurs in some cases and maybe even many cases because he’s African American. There’s no question about that and it’s the kind of thing nobody ever says but everybody’s thinking it.”

    Warning: video of the race-baiter at link.

  53. Oprah’s performance in The Butler was outstanding; but now should stick to her new career as an actress, i.e. faking reality on screen.

  54. Vladeck: “when it comes to using the various tools an agency has, it has very broad discretion, including refraining from enforcement actions, if the agency thinks this it will achieve its statutory goals,”

    Sounds reasonable to me. In any event, Obama will probably go that route anyway…

  55. There is No Fix: “The Entire System Will Detonate Within the First Year”

    We’ve got a serious problem on our hands and it’s one that many Obamacare apologists refuse to admit.

    The Patient Affordable Care Act is an unprecedented catastrophe in the making.

    While millions of Americans are losing their health care coverage within weeks, the health care exchanges advocated by Obamacare supporters are in shambles. So far, a little over 100,000 people have signed up. Moreover, what’s important to understand is that none of these people have yet paid a premium, so in essence, those are preliminary numbers. When the monthly bill comes due, we’ll see how many people actually have the money to pay the exorbitant new rates.

    The key problem is one of basic arithmetic.

    Remember, what this legislation does is it robs from Paul to pay Peter. This means that the whole system is essentially a pyramid scheme that depends on one group of people paying the premium for those who are the beneficiaries of this “free” and “affordable” insurance.

    As we know all too well, the new rates for those who have to pay into the system are double or triple their previous insurance premiums – and those newly minted rates actually stand to double again because there is not enough money in the system to provide coverage for everyone.

    We can sum this up in two words: Unmitigated Disaster.

    And just so we’re clear, we’re not talking about these issues rearing their head a decade or so down the road.

    We’re talking about mere months before the whole thing falls apart.

    The scary thing? When it crumbles, the broader economy goes with it.

    See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/there-is-no-fix-the-entire-system-will-detonate-within-the-first-year_112013#sthash.GCONZya3.dpuf

  56. Lying liars and the liars who protect them:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/15/us-usa-healthcare-chao-idUSBRE9AE05K20131115

    Exclusive: U.S. official in July feared HealthCare.gov ‘crash’

    (Reuters) – Almost three months before the botched launch of HealthCare.gov, a U.S. health official expressed frustration with a main contractor working on the website, fearing quality assurance issues could “crash the plane at take-off,” according to government documents obtained by Reuters. [snip]

    In a July 16 email sent ahead of a meeting with then-prime contractor CGI Federal, Chao describes the agency’s low confidence level in the project work, from constant struggles with releases to changing delivery dates and poor quality assurance on software.

    “I just need to feel more confident they are not going to crash the plane at take-off,” Chao says in the email, which was among several documents the Republican investigators released.

    Officials at CGI Federal, the U.S. subsidiary of Canada’s CGI Group Inc, were not immediately available for comment.

    In congressional testimony released October 23, CGI Federal blamed early website problems on another contractor’s software and also said the federal government was ultimately responsible for the website’s performance.

    CMS released a statement that did not directly address Chao’s email but described the challenging task of building HealthCare.gov. “This is a complex project with a short timeline,” CMS said.

    Chao, the deputy chief information officer at CMS, declined a request to speak directly with Reuters.

    President Barack Obama and administration officials have come under fire for launching a malfunctioning website, but it’s not clear if officials knew the extent of the site’s problems or when they knew.

    A day after writing the email about CGI, Chao assured a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee that HealthCare.gov would be ready on time.

  57. Here is the official Barack Obama declaration of war against Barack Obama’s promise words:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/364024/obama-threatens-veto-upton-bill-robert-costa

    On Friday, the House will vote on chairman Fred Upton’s bill, the “Keep Your Health Plan Act.” It’s expected to pass with scattered Democratic support. President Obama, however, has pledged to veto it, and issued a statement earlier tonight:

    “The Administration supports policies that allow people to keep the health plans that they have,” the White House said in a statement Thursday evening. “But, policies that reverse the progress made to extend quality, affordable coverage to millions of uninsured, hardworking, middle class families are not the solution.”

    If the President were presented with [the bill], he would veto it,” the statement concluded.

  58. An excerpt from Todd Purdum’s beyond comical defense of Barack Obama’s lies and the scam called ObamaCare:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/the-obamacare-fumble-99906_Page2.html

    “There’s a piece of me that says this thing is just so complicated that God couldn’t have implemented it,” said Tom Peters, the veteran management guru and co-author of “In Search of Excellence.” “Every time you make one little adjustment, there are probably 150, if not 1,000, regulations that have to be taken into account. Would it be doable if it was inside a Google, with all the things the private sector allows you to do? But presumably at the top of the administration, I have to assume there was de facto no oversight of this thing.”

    Just last summer, Bryan Sivak, chief technology officer of the Department of Health and Human Services, told Alex Howard of The Atlantic that the healthcare website was “fast, built in static HTML, completely stable and secure,” and Howard declared: “HealthCare.gov is the rarest of birds: a next generation website that also happens to be a .gov.”

    Those attempting to defend ObamaCare, and that includes Barack Obama, have repeatedly used the defense that if they had the experts and response times of private industry (Google is the example used in the excerpt) that things would have gone smoothly with the ObamaCare website. The defense is that the ObamaCare website is doable and that things will eventually work out well.

    What these dolts seem to miss is that they undermine their own belief in what government can do. These people will undermine everything and all they have ever said in order to defend Barack Obama and his scam ObamaCare. The difficulty for them is that in defending the indefensible they are stating that government cannot get things done. It’s amazing that what is staring them right in the face they are unable to see.

  59. admin

    November 15, 2013 at 9:47 am

    It’s like a Cheech and Chong movie at 1600 Penn. Do they not realize that these speeches are recorded??

    Un-fricken-believable.

    Hillary 2016

    P.S. – While her silence about running for president should remain, it might be politically feasible for Hill to begin an IMMEDIATE distancing from the toxic sludge that is the president’s coattail. The wide-eyed waste from Illinois knows that the ‘if you don’t support preezy, you must be racist’ falsehood doesn’t work on this society anymore. Followed by the sheer incompetence of threatening a veto (a veto no less!!!!!!) of the fix that is looking to be VERY bi-partisan, the GOP will have to be populated by crack babies to not sweep into office in 14 in both houses and in 60-80% of the gubernatorial races. This is the kind of boobery that even President Clinton can’t put a spit shine on.

    I really hope Hillary is watching this foolishness and is developing some kind of counter strategy.

    Hillary 2016

  60. foxyladi14

    November 15, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Hey foxy –

    Funny how the MSM won’t show this, and also so sad that the GOP doesn’t capitalize with this RIGHT NOW. I am so much more proud of my vote for Romney now than ever before.

    Keep those videos coming foxy!!

    Hillary 2016

  61. Anyone believe this? He says he’s halfway there. More like a quarter there, no?:

    http://www.my9nj.com/story/23967736/christie-half-way-to-weight-goal

    Trenton, New Jersey (My9NJ) –

    Since Governor Christie won the gubernatorial election last week, many have been speculating about him making a potential run for president in 2016. Many have questioned if he can win the presidential election at his current weight.

    Christie has noted that since his secret lap band surgery, he is more than halfway to his goal weight. He said that he is eating differently and even sleeping better.

    To learn more about how weight might impact a political candidate, image expert Sylvie di Giusto chimed in. She noted that Governor Christie’s face is thinner and more powerful since he lost weight. “You will see a huge difference in his face actually and the face is always important for politicians you cannot hide anything in the face,” she said.

    Sylvie also noted that Mary Pat, Governor Christie’s wife, might need to improve her image as Governor Christie enters the national spotlight. “Right now she doesn’t show that professional appearance and attitude, he has to make sure that if he runs for president in a few years that he will start preparing the team right now,” she said.

    Christie’s weight it seems has helped him to win office. Now that he has decided to lose some pounds he is being attacked for his girth. Why is his wife slammed for being dowdy? Leave her alone. As to Christie, if he is losing weight just for political appearances then maybe he just wants to lose enough weight to appear better and that is why he says he is “half way” to his goal. But it does appear that he needs to lose quite a bit more than just the half he plans to lose. 🙂

  62. Scott Brown is a Fox News contributor. [I didn’t realize that but thot this a pretty good read.] He served as Republican Senator from Massachusetts from 2010-13.
    Democrats can run and hide from ObamaCare disaster but voters will find them in 2014
    Published November 15, 2013
    FoxNews.com
    …it’s not just President Obama who needs to be held to account. It is also every single Democratic senator and congressman that voted for the health care bill. Without their support, it wouldn’t have happened….

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/15/democrats-can-run-and-hide-from-obamacare-disaster-but-voters-will-find-them-in/

  63. It seems to me that the Liar-In-Chief has outmaneuvered the RINO yet again. His announcement of an administrative fix allows wavering dims to stand down. The bold thing to do is to challenge this usurpation of legislative authority, but the RINO is petrified at the prospect of doing that. Suppose it succeeds, then they will be perceived as the party responsible for the cancellation and non reinstatement of policies. Likewise, the insurance will whine and do it, and he will compensate them for their losses with taxpayer funds. Big media will cover his back, because as previously noted, they are nothing more than an extension of this White House. And as they go, so will go the sheeple. In other words, a silent betrayal–a mere blip. There is zero accountability in the system. This is yet another reason why the two party system cannot work. Not any more. The system itself is dysfunctional.

  64. Christie and weight. Maybe the lap band was troublesome and has secretly been removed. Yeah his face looks a little better. But now his nose it too big, and his waist is still astounding.

    I’ve always admired his wife for dressing to her own pleasure [I do the same] but it does cost important points in most arenas.

  65. Amazing.

    Rassmussen has Obama’s approval numbers UP from 44% to 45% after that meandering press conference yesterday when he faced down his critics and showed us the path to a new heaven and a new earth, through an administrative fix which flies in the face of business economics, but he is the dictator and the dictators word is law. Just ask John Roberts.

    Are the American People that stupid? Yes. They think he has saved the day. Trey says he hopes the American People are smart enough to not believe him. In the words of Clarence Darrow to a judge, you Honor has a right to hope.

    Is Soros goosing the numbers? It is not unlikely.

  66. jeswezey
    November 15, 2013 at 7:50 am

    *******

    J…I have been an ardent supporter of Bill and Hillary since prior to Bill even coming on the national scene way back when…before many people had even heard of them…you have no idea of my support or connection to them…

    You have to be kidding or attempting to be sarcastic to suggest that I was an O supporter…perhaps you have missed any or all of my comments here over the last years…either way, it doesn’t matter to me…

    I, personally, do not support the mandate…i honestly believe there are ways between the two parties to come up with solutions to cover the uninsured while not denying others their own personal choices to take care of their own health…and without forcing the “one size fits all” and then even penalizing them…no, I cannot go for that…

    …particularly, with all the corruption behind the scenes that has occurred to get there with the behind closed doors deals with drug and ins companies, O promised this would all be out in the open on C-span…remember that one, another one of his big fat lies…I do not support Ocare at all, period…the whole thing rings unamerican to me and I do not trust O and how he put his Ocare together …however you are free to believe what you choose and maybe that is why you moved to France…I don’t know and it is none of my business…

    re your comment:

    I think it goes without saying that you will not support Hillary in 2016, because healthcare has been a lifelong concern for Hillary, and you can count on it: improving on the ACA will still be a plank in her platform in 2016, she will still be aiming for a universal healthcare system….

    **************************

    hmmm…you are a presumptious individual aren’t you…well, as far as your perspective on what your assumptions are concerning me and who I will support, etc…think what you like but I wouldn’t spend alot of time worrying about who I will support or why I will do so…

    I can support Hillary and still maintain my own feelings about the mandate…and frankly, after all that is actually manifesting right now…Hillary’s plans and policy will probably have to evolve with reality and the times by the time we get there…

    …so again, assume to your heart’s content, I will make up my own mind about what I think and why I think it…and please feel free to do the same for yourself…

  67. I, personally, do not support the mandate…i honestly believe there are ways between the two parties to come up with solutions to cover the uninsured while not denying others their own personal choices to take care of their own health…and without forcing the “one size fits all” and then even penalizing them…no, I cannot go for that…

    …particularly, with all the corruption behind the scenes that has occurred to get there with the behind closed doors deals with drug and ins companies, O promised this would all be out in the open on C-span…remember that one, another one of his big fat lies…I do not support Ocare at all, period…the whole thing rings unamerican to me and I do not trust O and how he put his Ocare together …however you are free to believe what you choose and maybe that is why you moved to France…I don’t know and it is none of my business
    ——————
    Well put, S.

  68. The RINO does what the consultant class tells him to do. If that means lying to constituents, then they lie to constituents. Here is the incontrovertible proof:
    ————————————————

    Wait…Didn’t Republicans Beat Up Conservatives For That?

    By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | November 15th, 2013 at 10:07 AM | 8

    During the fight over defunding Obamacare, Congressional Republicans claimed that Heritage Action for America, the Senate Conservatives Fund, RedState, and others were raising money off the defund fight and knew it would never work.

    In effect, they and their friends in the lobbyist community claimed conservatives were stirring up the base for the sole purpose of raising money.

    Now, in Congress, Republicans are considering Fred Upton’s legislation claiming it is a backdoor way to end Obamacare. Further, they are also saying that it (1) is messaging, (2) won’t actually pass, and (3) really has no power to do what it claims.

    They say all these things. And yet — here is an email I just got:

    For the past three years Obama and the Democrats in Congress have consciously and repeatedly misled the American people.

    They promised that ObamaCare would make healthcare more affordable and if they liked their current plan, they could keep it.

    The truth is millions of Americans are losing their existing health insurance, or have seen their premiums skyrocket because of ObamaCare.

    House Republicans aren’t sitting back and letting this happen.

    On Friday, the House will take action on the Keep Your Health Plan Act.

    It’s simple. It’s about 4 sentences and it does what it says it will – unlike the 3,000 page ObamaCare law.

    Only the Republicans in Congress are going to hold the President responsible for this and go after the liberal Democrats who gave us this train wreck of a law.

    Erick, contribute $50, $25 or $15 so we can put a stop to Obama and kick out the Democrats in Congress who gave us ObamaCare.

    Sincerely,

    Greg

    Rep. Greg Walden
    NRCC Chairman (R-OR)

  69. JesW

    … Setting up Hillary to come out of the fog, drop some bread crumbs before she takes the dragon by the tail, early next year.”

    My objection to Shadowfax’s argument concerns only “early next year.” HRC can and should let Bill fight these battles until mid-2015, when she’s due to declare. She’s got time, let her sit back and watch the show….

    —-
    I am just quoting a comment Hillary made in the past two weeks that she would make her decision on running by early next year.

    She really can’t wait to toss her hat in the ring much later, because she needs to set her platform and other Democrats need to start campaigning if she decides not to run.

    She didn’t say exactly when next year, but I remember she implied it would be before the summer.

  70. moononpluto
    November 15, 2013 at 6:24 am

    I stopped listening or taking note of Boxer when she did her about face on Hillary when Hillary won California and she backed Obama, so she can go take a run and jump off a cliff

    —–

    I stopped voting for her in 2008.

  71. The Upton Bill seems to violate the principle that Democrats should own Obamacare completely, and we should do nothing to save Democrats from their own folly, particularly after we were called terrorists, suicide bombers, arsonists and hostage-takers for trying to help just a month ago in the run up to the temporary, partial government scale-back.

    On a purely political level, though, let Democrats go on record against it, or let Obama veto it.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/obama-threatens-veto-of-upton-bill/#more-70849

  72. jeswezey

    HRC and Christie tied with Quinnipiac, Christie leading big time with Independents:

    ——-
    This is Christie’s temporary bump from just winning his election.

  73. The defense of Obama’s “administrative fix” is ridiculous. This article addresses the legality and trashes the Obama rationale:

    http://www.volokh.com/2013/11/15/legality-latest-obamacare-fix/

    According to the President’s announcement, insurance companies will be allowed to renew policies that were in force as of October 1, 2013 for one additional year, even if they fail to meet relevant PPACA requirements. What is the legal basis for this change? The Administration has not cited any. (See, e.g., this letter to state insurance commissioners explaining the change.) According to various press reports, the Administration argues it may do this as a matter of enforcement discretion (much as it did with immigration). In other words, the Administration is not changing the law. It’s just announcing it will not enforce federal law (while simultaneously threatening to veto legislation that would authorize the step the President has decided to take).

    Does this make the renewal of non-compliant policies legal? No. The legal requirement remains on the books so the relevant health insurance plans remain illegal under federal law. The President’s decision does not change relevant state laws either. So insurers will still need to obtain approval from state insurance commissioners. This typically requires submitting rates and plan specifications for approval. This can take some time, and is disruptive because most insurance companies have already set their offerings for the next year. It’s no wonder that some insurance commissioners have already indicated they have no plans to approve non-compliant plans.

    Yet even if state commissioners approve the plans, they will still be illegal under federal law. Given this fact, why would any insurance company agree to renew such a plan? It’s nice that regulators may forbear enforcing the relevant regulatory requirements, but this is not the only source of potential legal jeopardy. So, for instance, what happens when there’s a legal dispute under one of these policies? Say, for instance, an insurance company denies payment for something that is not covered under the policy but that would have been covered under the PPACA and the insured sues? Would an insurance company really want to have to defend this decision in court? After all, this would place the insurance company in the position of seeking judicial enforcement of an illegal insurance policy. If there’s an answer to this, I haven’t seen it. It’s almost as if the Administration has not thought this through. As Sarah Kliff reports, this supposed “fix” creates a “big mess.”

    UPDATE: Louisiana Insurance Commissioner Jim Donelon, President of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, comments:

    [NAIC members] are concerned by the President’s announcement today that the federal government would use its “enforcement discretion” to delay enforcement of the ACA’s market reforms in 2014 for plans that are currently in effect. This decision continues different rules for different policies and threatens to undermine the new market, and may lead to higher premiums and market disruptions in 2014 and beyond.

    In addition, it is unclear how, as a practical matter, the changes proposed today by the President can be put into effect. In many states, cancellation notices have already gone out to policyholders and rates and plans have already been approved for 2014. Changing the rules through administrative action at this late date creates uncertainty and may not address the underlying issues.

  74. Meanwhile as this goes on, the entire administration led by Kerry are doing their best to allow Iran to go nuclear. Israel is doomed and as an american Jew(and former super liberal), I blame in large part liberal Jews who have no concept of what it is to live for over 50 yrs with neighbors who seek your destruction as Israel has. it’s easy to give advice from fancy Manhattan penthouses when you don’t have rockets fired on your cities, suicide bombers in your pizza shops, and now a regime that has vowed to wipe Israel off the map being inches from obtaining the means to do it.

  75. FROM BREITBART—ON THE OLD COVER UP AND THE NEW COVER UP BY OBAMA MINIONS IN BIG MEDIA

    In a Friday editorial mainly taking aim at President Obama and Democrat lawmakers, The Washington Examiner’s Byron York argues that the wave of millions of insurance cancellations were in fact not a surprise for many who are now claiming it was. They knew, knowingly lied and they were not the only ones. York points out that “sympathetic journalists” also knew what was coming and remained silent:

    All during the debate, Democratic officeholders, aides, policy wonks, advocates and sympathetic journalists all knew coverage cancellations would be coming as part of Obamacare. Of course, the president knew, too. When Obama made the keep-your-coverage promise, over and over, those Washington insiders accepted the untruth as a necessary part of the process, something Democrats had to do to pass their bill.

    But millions of Americans didn’t get the memo and took Obama at his word. And now that the promise has been proven false, the president is trying to recover his credibility — his desire to do so was painfully evident at his long and sometimes rambling news conference Thursday — and his party is searching for cover.

    And the media cover up continues. Today, Obama and Democrats have merely traded one lie in for another. The new lie is that only 5% of the public will be affected by insurance cancellations:

    The situation could become infinitely worse if problems now plaguing the individual insurance market begin to infect employer-based insurance, which covers by far the largest number of Americans.

    Once ObamaCare hits the employer-market, what is happening today will look like the good old days. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that tens of millions will lose their insurance. Other estimates go as high as 93 million.

    But the media is covering that fact up.

    Follow John Nolte on Twitter @NolteNC

  76. NBC’s Chuck Todd: Obama Doesn’t Have The Power To Do This
    —————-
    Maybe not.

    But who’s to stop him?

    The RINO?

    This is, after all, the age of fake.

  77. More on the legal mess Obama has created for himself and those he has screwed with his phony illegal “fix”:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-14/obamacare-is-whatever-obama-says-it-is.html

    But that raises an interesting legal issue. Remember that in 2012, the Supreme Court ruled that the mandate was a tax. And as a lawyer of my acquaintance points out, taxes have to be enforced uniformly; the Internal Revenue Service can pick and choose who it audits, but it cannot pick and choose who has to obey the law. If it declines to enforce the mandate against grandfathered consumers, it’s conceivably opening itself up to a bunch of legal challenges.

    This is not, in other words, a good solution if your desire is to make Obamacare work as planned. It is not even a very good solution if you are genuinely moved by the plight of people losing insurance policies they liked. At best, it solves only one real problem: the administration’s plummeting poll ratings. And that’s only for the short term; it’s hard to see how we avoid going through this drama again next year.

  78. The Rock

    I really hope Hillary is watching this foolishness and is developing some kind of counter strategy.

    —-
    Do you honestly think Hillary isn’t watching and doesn’t have the kind of brilliance to see though the lies and stupidity?

    I’m sure if anyone is trying to think of a way to fix this health care fiasco, it’s Hillary.

  79. Battlestations….tells you how worried they are……“Pelosi on the House floor personally arm-twisting — never seen anything like it,” he says.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/364066/democrats-brace-messy-vote-jonathan-strong-betsy-woodruff

    House Democrats are bracing themselves for a messy intra-caucus split today. Dozens of rank-and-file Democrats are expected to defect from the party line and vote in favor of Republican representative Fred Upton’s bill that aims to let people keep insurance policies that were recently canceled. It’s doubtful the legislation has a rosy future in the upper chamber (Representative Chris Van Hollen says “it’s not going to go anywhere in the Senate”), but the vote lets members register discontent with the Affordable Care Act. And many Democrats in purple and red districts will probably take that opportunity.

    Not everyone in their party is thrilled about it. Representative Elijah Cummings (D., Md.), the ranking member on the House Oversight Committee told National Review Online that voting for Upton’s bill was “definitely” a vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

    “I think Upton is another attempt to put a dagger in the heart of the Affordable Care Act,” he says. But when asked what it’s like handling the gaping rift in his caucus, he said, “I think this — I can’t answer that.”

    One senior GOP aide tells NRO that Democrats’ behind-the-scenes efforts against the Upton bill are more concerted than some might think, though Democratic leadership isn’t formally whipping the bill.

    “Pelosi on the House floor personally arm-twisting — never seen anything like it,” he says.

    And Representative Raul Grijalva (D., Ariz.) says that Democratic support for Upton’s bill seems more motivated by political expedience than interest in good policymaking.

    “This vote, in terms of the split, is from the colleagues I’ve talked to is more of a tactical political move than it is of substance,” he says, “and that’s too bad, because there’s some substance issues here at stake too.”

    One of the Democrats expected to defect, Representative Bill Pascrell of New Jersey, tells NRO that in a caucus meeting he told members he would support Upton’s bill if Democrats didn’t supply a viable alternative.

    And, he says, “I haven’t seen the total alternative ye. We tweaked it a couple of times during the night.”

    He didn’t seem wholly confident in the president’s administrative fix.

    “We’re tweaking it,” he says. “And we will tweak it.”

    Just an hour before the vote, Maryland freshman John Delaney told NRO he hadn’t made up his mind. “I’m still considering it,” he says. “Still reading things and just trying to see if the president’s measures do enough.” He adds that the law’s implementation is “obviously off to a bad start” but said he felt House Democratic leadership gave him flexibility on the vote.

    Representative Sheila Jackson Lee (D., Texas) was optimistic.

    “I don’t know how many votes that we’re going to get from Democrats,” she says. “I have heard many of them feel the president’s administrative fix is a good one, they feel confident that within 30 days plus, or maybe under 30 days, the system will be up and running.”

  80. jbstonesfan

    November 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Couldn’t agree with you more. In 2008, when bumbles went to AIPAC and told them he believes in a unitary Israel only to recant that statement to a Palestinian reporter the next day, all the Jewish obots sealed their own fate and for them I shed no tears.

    bumbles and Kerry’s mid-east policy SHOULD be the headline as Iran continues to move towards becoming a nuclear state, but this healthcare mess has overshadowed their foibles. Thanks to the efforts of the French, Israel can breathe a little for another day.

    Hillary 2016

  81. “There’s a piece of me that says this thing is just so complicated that God couldn’t have implemented it,” said Tom Peters,

    —-

    When someone makes a comment like this, you have clear proof the guy is a total moron and he shouldn’t be speaking in public.

    If God couldn’t make this work, how can anyone expect God-like dear leader to do a better job at it than he has done?

  82. Shadowfax

    November 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    I’m sure if anyone is trying to think of a way to fix this health care fiasco, it’s Hillary.
    _________________________________

    The fix is actually quite simple. Repeal ocare, dust off HR676 and debate it on the floor, pass and implement it with a planned June 2015 start date, then finally elect Hillary in 2016 who will modify and improve the structure and delivery.

    Repealing ocare gives the country a do-over and effectively reduces bumbles to a mistake in history or a gag that comics can use over and over. HR676 is the public option that make a mandate enforceable (personally, if enacted, I would re-tool the mandate to include all employed individuals to be a part of the plan). Implementation of Medicare for all shouldn’t take more than 11 months since all that is being done is expanding on an existing system without interface with the private sector. Finally, electing Hillary ensures optimization of the law and structure to provide better delivery and access for all.

    Hillary 2016

  83. admin
    November 15, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    The defense of Obama’s “administrative fix” is ridiculous.

    ——-
    I keep pondering the ‘legality’ of this ‘fix’ too admin.

    Let’s say some bill to ‘fix’ is passed and it says that policies that do not meet the ‘criteria’ set out by the HellCare bill will be accepted for one more year, but when the clock strikes midnight, the policy turns into a rotten egg.

    Then in one year, the same flock of cancellations will be sent out again, and we are back at square one.

    That scenario does not address the already canceled policies, which are not mandated by any bill to be picked back up by the carrier, but could possibly be a suggestion to the insurance companies, if they want to reinstate these policies. Not a mandate, leaving most of these people still scrambling for insurance.

    What happens to the big insurance companies that have now canceled millions of policies because of HellCare? Do they just try to downsize to make up for their own loss of business?

    Has this ever happened?

    No!

    So where do they drum up the business they just tossed out the window? They try to make up for it in the HellCare exchanges.

    Why would they do that? Besides wanting to comply with the regulations of the new law, they can offer more services that will not be used by the majority, but the consumer will now have to pay for them anyway.

    What about the homeless that have no computers to sign up for HellCare, and hopefully get health care for free? (Besides an emergency visit, which started this whole thing off.)

    What about all the people that have not found jobs or are only working part time because Obama has done nothing to fix the economy in 5 years? How are they going to pay for this new insurance if they don’t have a full time job for these higher costs?
    How are they going to pay the penalty for not signing up?

    Okay, so maybe these people will get subsidized health care…but where is the money going to come from to pay for it?

    As you say, there can be no fix.

  84. Update: We’ve gone from House to vote on Upton’s “Keep Your Plan Act” soon to, at 1:33 p.m. on the east coast, the House of Representatives voting on the Upton legislation now. Barack Obama has threatened to wage war against his own promise. How many Obama Dimocrats will vote against their self-interest and millions of Americans under attack by Barack Obama’s lies?

    ————————————————————————————————–

  85. CNN’s Dana Bash: 39 Dems voting for “keep your plan” bill is “significant.” They know bill undermines law.

  86. It’s going to get worse as the “fix” does nothing to help Americans under attack by Obama and ObamaCare:

    http://freebeacon.com/mcdermott-i-havent-seen-this-much-panic-on-the-floor-since-911/

    McDermott: I Haven’t Seen This Much Panic on the Floor Since 9/11

    House Dem. compares Congressional panic over Obamacare to worst terror attack in nation’s history

    Rep. Jim McDermott (D., Wash.) said “I haven’t seen this much panic on the [House] floor since 9/11″ in response to the House Republican proposal allowing insurers to offer healthcare plans scheduled to be cancelled under Obamacare Friday morning:

    JIM MCDERMOTT: Mr. Speaker, my mother used to say, patience is a virtue. I haven’t seen so much panic on this floor since 9/11.

  87. from my earlier comment….

    One senior GOP aide tells NRO that Democrats’ behind-the-scenes efforts against the Upton bill are more concerted than some might think, though Democratic leadership isn’t formally whipping the bill.

    “Pelosi on the House floor personally arm-twisting — never seen anything like it,” he says.

    …………….

    or did someone steal her bottle of Grey Goose and she went looking for it.

  88. S November 15, 2013 at 11:52 am

    “I… do not support the mandate… I honestly believe there are ways between the two parties to come up with solutions to cover the uninsured while not denying others their own personal choices to take care of their own health…and without forcing the “one size fits all” and then even penalizing them… no, I cannot go for that…”

    I’ll grant you that Hillary’s idea was never to penalize people for not getting insured, but she still intended to require people to sign up – with the public option – when they show up for treatment at the emergency room.

    This is because her goal all along – since well before her abortive attempt in 1993-4 – has been universal healthcare, which clearly means “one size fits all” (i.e. full coverage for everyone from conception to the grave) and an individual mandate.

    Personally, I have no problem with this concept of universal healthcare because it closely parallels the French system that I live with and that is reputed to be the best in the world.

    But anyone who doesn’t support this concept of universal healthcare, considering its importance on Hillary’s agenda, logically has little reason to support Hillary because, I repeat:

    “improving on the ACA will still be a plank in her platform in 2016, she will still be aiming for a universal healthcare system.”

    If you plan to support HRC 2016, then, I think it would be best to come up with some positive suggestions that might help HRC then, and not fall back on totally negative statements like

    “…I do not support Ocare at all, period…”

    because Hillary’s plan would have contained most of the provisions of the ACA and the biggest drawback to Obamacare is that it is a jumble of half-way measures that amount to lipstick on a pig as long as it doesn’t have a public option. With no deductibles.

    *************

    “… as far as your perspective… concerning me and who I will support, think what you like but I wouldn’t spend a lot of time worrying about who I will support or why I will do so…”

    Believe me, I won’t spend much time trying to second-guess whom you will support. I just made those remarks because your support for Hillary, for the reasons given above, is illogical.

    “Hillary’s plans and policy will probably have to evolve with reality and the times by the time we get there.”

    I fully agree with you here. That’s why I am imploring everyone to (i) give her time and let her stay out of the debate for now, and (ii) help develop some positive suggestions for when the time comes.

  89. Carol Shea-Porter (NH), one of most liberal Dems in House, voted for Upton. Shows how the blowback must be playing in NH.

  90. http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/the-39-house-democrats-who-defied-obamas-veto-threat/

    Here’s the list:

    Ron Barber of Arizona
    John Barrow of Georgia
    Ami Bera of California
    Timothy H. Bishop of New York
    Bruce Braley of Iowa
    Julia Brownley of California
    Cheri Bustos of Illinois
    Jim Costa of California
    Peter A. DeFazio of Oregon
    Suzan DelBene of Washington
    Tammy Duckworth of Illinois
    Bill Enyart of Illinois
    Elizabeth Esty of Connecticut
    Bill Foster of Illinois
    Pete Gallego of Texas
    John Garamendi of Califonia
    Joe Garcia of Florida
    Ron Kind of Wisconsin
    Ann McLane Kuster of New Hampshire
    Dave Loebsack of Iowa
    Dan Maffei of New York
    Sean Patrick Maloney of New York
    Jim Matheson of Utah
    Mike McIntyre of North Carolina
    Jerry McNerney of California
    Patrick Murphy of Florida
    Rick Nolan of Minnesota
    Bill Owens of New York
    Scott Peters of California
    Gary Peters of Michigan
    Collin C. Peterson of Minnesota
    Nick J. Rahall II of West Virginia
    Raul Ruiz of California
    Brad Schneider of Illinois
    Kurt Schrader of Oregon
    Carol Shea-Porter of New Hampshire
    Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona
    Filemon Vela of Texas
    Tim Walz of Minnesota

  91. Sabado. Not that I believe him. But another nation heard from. A purveyor of what passes for “conventional wisdom”.

    Notice. He makes no provision for the impact of Rove/McConnell’s attack on conservatives in defense of their own corruption. I believe that is a factor, but less so in 2014 than in 2016 when the RINOS use their money to defeat conservatives and nominate the fat man from New Jersey.

    Sabato is a democrat. He has little real grasp of what is going on in the other party. If this professor wanted to educate himself he would start reading Red State Blog. This assumes, of course, he can read. Being a professor, one can never be quite sure about that.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2841748699001/larry-sabato-on-obamacare-fallout-jfk-myths/?playlist_id=928378949001

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2841748699001/larry-sabato-on-obamacare-fallout-jfk-myths/?playlist_id=928378949001

  92. “Carol Shea-Porter (NH), one of most liberal Dems in House, voted for Upton. Shows how the blowback must be playing in NH.”
    ******
    Upton and Landrieu pure street theater. The 39 Dems who voted for Upton are likely in competitive seats and got permission from their WH handlers for their yea votes. It’s more bullshit; the logistics for the insurance companies are impossible and with the Obama “fix”, no insurance company is going to issue illegal policies and then fight the lawsuits in court for the next decade.

  93. When I look at a list of House democrats who defied Obama, I see names missing that I did not expect, especially in Texas. But lets take that group as it is presented and analyze it further. How many of them are in safe democrat districts? Those who are, I would support to the hilt. They are looking out for the people. Those who are in contested districts, I would assume that their defiance of this god forsaken messiah is what? Political. What? Political. What do you mean? I mean it means nothing. They voted for this toxic legislation and now they are running for their lives. They don’t count.

  94. jeswezey
    November 15, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    ————————
    1. Obamacare is NOT universal health care.

    2. Obamacare is NOT an enabling step to universal health care coverage.

    3. Obamacare is what the Republicans proposed in 1994 as a defense against universal health care coverage.

    4. Obamacare is a payola to insurance company contributors. Period.

    5. You cannot have a welfare state and open borders without sinking the country.

  95. 5. You cannot have a welfare state and open borders without sinking the country.
    —————————–
    This is the Soros game plan. To sink this country. Why? Because it stands in the way of his dream of international government and a global marketplace. Not for nothing does he own an interest in 153 newspapers in 200 countries. Not for nothing did he arrange to have his boy, Obama, given the Nobel Prize for what he would do. Old grisley ugly he can still do a great immitation of Loretta Switt, the world is my oyster. Abroad they get it. Here they don’t. And because they don’t this is all dismissed as conspiracy talk. I have no answer. We are dealing with sheeple–too dumb to spit. And when Browkaw and Moyers sit on his boards, well . . . . you are right as rain SHV, it is just street theater. And in the midst of this carnival atmosphere, shades of Rio, who do we find dressed up as the Jack of Naves? Christie! Sidney Greenstreet Jr.

  96. Jeswezey you either do not read or do not understand what you yourself write, let alone what ObamaCare is, or what Hillary Clinton proposed in 2008. Your attempts to force the thoughts of others into your narrow understanding is offensive. How you know from so far away what Hillary will run on in 2016, if she runs, is as mysterious as the continued support by anyone with a brain for ObamaCare and Obama.

    You yourself wrote:

    Her plan had an individual mandate to make the system universal, though no mechanism such as a penalty for enforcing it.

    I clearly remember that, at that time, Obama was asking how HRC was going to force healthcare insurance on people (HRC responded: sign ‘em up at the emergency room!), but Obama, again at that time, shied away from the individual mandate and Paul Krugman at NYT estimated that Obama’s system would consequently be no more universal than healthcare was at the time.

    So can I assume that, in 2007-08, you were an Obama supporter?

    I think it goes without saying that you will not support Hillary in 2016, because healthcare has been a lifelong concern for Hillary, and you can count on it: improving on the ACA will still be a plank in her platform in 2016, she will still be aiming for a universal healthcare system….

    You somehow do not think it is important now what everyone thought was important at the time and still is. Hillary in 2008 had a point of contact registration system – there was no coercive whip to extract money from anyone or to destroy the insurance plans of others.

    Point of contact registration would not have implicated the Commerce Clause (which the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional in the case of ObamaCare) because those registering clearly would be engaged in the commerce of health. Eventually, there would be almost universal coverage because anyone at point of contact with the health and hospital system would be registered – but there would be no coercion for those so offended or so healthy they had no point of contact with the health industry. In your zeal to defend the indefensible ObamaCare you somehow fail to understand what you yourself write. Do you need instruction to read again, with understanding, what you wrote? There was no penalty; there was no coercion; and there certainly was no dishonesty.

    Further, Hillary proposed a public option in order not to destroy insurance companies but in order to bring about competition and lower prices. Most at the time understood that insurance companies would be threatened by the marketplace if the public option produced cheaper and better coverage. If the insurance companies produced better and cheaper plans they would thrive and the public option would be a vestigial organ.

    Hillary was very open and very honest with her proposal. Obama has lied about everything. Obama cut deals with the very people in the drug industry and insurance industry that he ran ads against (such as Billy Tauzin). Obama extorted money and made threats against those same industries and promised in turn to turn the federal government into a Frank Nitti enforcer extorting money from the American taxpayer to give to insurance companies. Obama also gave away, essential elements of lowering health care costs such as the ability of Medicare to negotiate drug prices and re-importation of drugs from other countries for cheaper rates.

    We won’t go into the corrupt deals with individual congressional representatives to pass ObamaCare nor the crony granting of exemptions to keep the wheels from falling off this rickety joke of a system. We believe Hillary would have run a competent hands on implementation program instead of golfing. Hillary also would not have made the deals Obama made with the industries affected. We know all this because in the earlier HillaryCare period Hillary turned down the offer (originated by the Heritage Foundation) that Barack Obama accepted.

    Your comment at 1:22 is misinformation and ignorance. The point of contact registration for mandated healthcare was not about the public option. At point of contact anyone could register for whatever insurance they wanted.

    As to the blather about what Hillary is going to run on in 2016 only a Japanese Kamikaze pilot is capable of understanding your reasoning in light of the increasing contempt for ObamaCare among the American people.

  97. “1. Obamacare is NOT universal health care.

    2. Obamacare is NOT an enabling step to universal health care coverage.

    3. Obamacare is what the Republicans proposed in 1994 as a defense against universal health care coverage.

    4. Obamacare is a payola to insurance company contributors. Period.

    5. You cannot have a welfare state and open borders without sinking the country.
    *****
    All true but the big winner is PHARMA. The insurance companies are trying to maintain their 4-4.5% profit margins and prevent Medicare “for all”, the drug industry is trying to expand their 24% profit margins, in the Uni-party political system. Bush’s medicare Part D, new money and no price negotiations; Obamacare a lot of new money and no drug price negotiations. Billy Tauzin didn’t promise $100 million to Obama to sell ACA as a altruism.

  98. Wbb

    I agree, ObamaCare is no Universal Health Care.

    ObamaCare is universal profits to Big Pharma and insurance companies at the highest rates possible, enforced, tracked and fined by the Government IRS and data snooped by the NSA. (Don’t kid yourself that the administration isn’t gonna snoop on this.)

    This isn’t Hillary’s plan, not even close to it or some of us die hard supporters would be somewhat supporting it.

  99. Wbboei, we did not see your comment at 3:11 while we were writing our comment at 3:22. You comment is much more concise than ours. You hit the points we made very well, especially point #3.

  100. admin
    November 15, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Wbboei, we did not see your comment at 3:11 while we were writing our comment at 3:22. You comment is much more concise than ours. You hit the points we made very well, especially point #3.

    —–

    And I was writing before I saw your comments Admin. I also appreciate your details on the:

    “… Point of contact registration would not have implicated the Commerce Clause (which the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional in the case of ObamaCare) because those registering clearly would be engaged in the commerce of health. Eventually, there would be almost universal coverage because anyone at point of contact with the health and hospital system would be registered.”

    I wasn’t aware of how it worked.

  101. Anyone still think Hillary will, or should, run on ObamaCare or even healthcare at this point? Here’s Ron Brownstein, one of the biggest Obama/ObamaCare kiss asses of all time discussing the future for ObamaCare supporters:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/political-connections/obamacare-s-problems-could-haunt-democrats-for-years-20131115

    Obamacare’s Problems Could Haunt Democrats for Years

    The party’s strategists thought the program would show white voters that government programs can help them. It’s not going so well.

    President Obama’s health care law is now compounding a political problem it was meant to solve: the generation-long loss of faith in government activism, particularly among the white middle class.

    For decades, Democratic strategists have viewed universal health care as their best opportunity to reverse the doubt among many voters, especially whites, that government programs can tangibly benefit their families. Now the catastrophic rollout of the health law threatens instead to reinforce those doubts. That outcome could threaten Democratic priorities for years.

    Even before its disastrous launch, the health care law faced anxiety about its goals. On the plan’s best days, polls found Americans split almost evenly on whether reform would benefit the country overall. But even then, nothing approaching a majority ever said the law would help their own families; among whites, fewer than one-third said they expected to personally benefit. Far more whites said the law would help the poor or uninsured. That meant, as the law debuted, most whites viewed health care more like food stamps than Social Security.

    With its chaotic launch, the administration has now added derision over the law’s execution to suspicion about its motivation. [snip]

    The aftershocks from this failure are already rattling many windows. The most immediate damage is measured in Obama’s declining ratings for competence, trustworthiness, and overall performance. Although surveys have not yet found any gusting demand for repeal, they continue to record gale-force misgivings about the law’s impact, particularly among whites. In the exit polls taken during Virginia gubernatorial election last week, two-thirds of whites said they opposed the law; incredibly, a 52 percent majority of white voters said they strongly opposed it (three-fourths of minorities, meanwhile, said they backed the law).

    This resurgence of resistance has emboldened Republicans and significantly increased the odds that the 2016 GOP presidential nominee will again run on repealing the law, as Mitt Romney did in 2012. It has also unnerved the president’s party. The Democratic confusion was visible in former President Clinton’s suggestion this week that Obama should allow consumers receiving cancellation notices in the existing individual market to keep their current plans. [snip]

    And that, notes Jonathan Gruber, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist, “would generate a huge [premium] rate shock in 2015” that could further discourage the healthy from enrolling and risk a fatal downward spiral.[snip]

    As the health law teeters, the stakes are so great because the struggle encapsulates each party’s core argument. It embodies the Democratic belief that society works better when risk is shared—between young and old, healthy and sick—and government intervenes in private markets to try to expand both security and opportunity. The fury of the Republican resistance reflects the party’s insistence that markets work best unfettered, that centralized government programs cannot achieve their goals, and that Democrats are unduly burdening the “makers” to support (and politically mobilize) the “takers.”

    If most Americans conclude Republicans are right about the health care law, that judgment would inevitably deepen doubts about other government initiatives. In this world, Democrats could still hold the White House in 2016 around cultural affinity, but they would likely struggle to achieve much if they do. If the president can’t extinguish the flames surrounding Obamacare, this runway explosion could reverberate for years.”

    Brownstein’s article is the best ObamaCare defenders can do. Brownstein says the best thing to do is not to honor Obama’s promise but to get insurance for those hurt by Obama’s lie. Brownstein does not say how that can ever pass the House nor how that helps with the higher rates and what to do come September 2014 when employer plans begin to die.

  102. JIM MCDERMOTT: Mr. Speaker, my mother used to say, patience is a virtue. I haven’t seen so much panic on this floor since 9/11.
    ——————
    He is a liar. He did not have a mother and even if he did she would never speak to a case of arrested development like him. As you may have guessed, he represents my district, and more is the pity for that. Good old Bagdad Jim.

  103. admin
    November 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Anyone still think Hillary will, or should, run on ObamaCare or even healthcare at this point?

    ——
    If Hillary decides to run, I do hope she comes out with a plan to destroy ObamaCare as it stands, and hear her idea of how she would handle reducing Big Pharma costs and how to cover those in need without health insurance.

    I don’t want Hillary to just pretend this mess doesn’t exist.

  104. I looked at the list of the four Republicans who voted against the Upton bill. Two of them were naval aviators, and one is a doctor. The only one I know is Ralph Hall. He is about the oldest member of Congress, and was a Democrat for most of his career. I knew him when he was a Democrat, and he came to the small east Texas town of Laneville to have dinner with my friend the Congresswoman, and me, and a bunch of Texas cowboys. Ralph is one of the few honest men in Congress. He flew attack aircraft off carriers in the Pacific during World War II, so he has something in common with my dad. I highly respect this guy, he is the essence of Southern charm, and honor. He is 100% invested in the welfare of the people he represents–which is the best thing you can say about any elected representative. When a man like that votes against a proposal which purports to ameliorate the harsh effects of Obamacare, you know he and those who voted against the Upton bill saw something in that bill that its authors and supporters did not want you to know. Could it have anything to do with what Erickson mentioned in the posting above, that the inside word about the bill is that the Republicans know it will not fix the problem and it is merely about messaging, which is a polite way of fooling your constituents. At the risk of repeating myself ad infinitum, ad nauseum, it is the way of the RINO.

  105. Financial Times: “Unfortunately, Mr Obama’s solution looks unworkable”

    …………………….

    When one of the premier world business newspapers says your idea sucks, then you really do suck.

  106. ADMIN:
    Jeswezey you either do not read or do not understand what you yourself write, let alone what ObamaCare is, or what Hillary Clinton proposed in 2008. Your attempts to force the thoughts of others into your narrow understanding is offensive. How you know from so far away what Hillary will run on in 2016, if she runs, is as mysterious as the continued support by anyone with a brain for ObamaCare and Obama.
    ====================================================
    ADMIN, thanks for weighing in on this. Hate to see BS left standing.

  107. Ruh Roh….

    Staff Warned in July That Website Was Failing

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/11/15/officials-warned-in-july-website-was-failing/?mod=WSJBlog&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    A series of emails released Friday by a House committee shows that staff overseeing development of the HealthCare.gov website were worried the project was off-track and in jeopardy of failing several months before the scheduled Oct. 1 launch.

    The emails, released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, showed discussions among Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services staff and Henry Chao, the agency’s deputy chief information officer, in addition to a vice president at CGI Federal, the prime contractor building HealthCare.gov.

    CMS is the federal agency that oversees HealthCare.gov, the health-insurance portal serving Americans living in 36 states. On Thursday, President Barack Obama conceded his administration “fumbled” the rollout of the website and health law.

    One email dated July 8 by a CMS employee detailed parts of the federal website that were behind schedule or weren’t even developed yet, as well as testing failures. The email raised concerns there weren’t enough technology developers on the project and concluded, “We believe our entire build in jeopardy.” It was later forwarded to Mr. Chao, who then emailed CGI for a response to the concerns.

    CGI responded that it was putting additional people on the project but also said the firm believed that some features not needed on Oct. 1 like the processing of payments could be added later. In another internal CMS email that discussed an upcoming monthly meeting with CGI, Mr. Chao stated, “I just need to feel more confident they are not going to crash the plane at take-off.”

    In a statement Friday, a CMS spokeswoman said, “This email discusses one small piece of ongoing discussions about managing deliverables and communicating expectations that were on a short timeline.” The spokeswoman said that “management concerns about meeting timelines are expected for any project of this size and scope.”

    CGI spokeswoman Linda Odorisio said the company is “100% focused on delivering not only its portion of HealthCare.gov but helping improve the overall system. Evolving requirements and shifting priorities had a significant effect on the design, development and deployment timelines of the technology prior to launch.”

    In a separate email dated July 20, Mr. Chao urged CGI officials and several CMS employees to make sure the Oct. 1 deadline for the rollout of HealthCare.gov was met. He reminded them that he and Marilyn Tavenner, the head of CMS, testified before Congress on July 17 and stated under oath that the deadline would be met.

    ………………….

    Of course Obama knew.

  108. I’m sorry this is so long, but I had to post what the DNC sent to ‘rally the troops’ email concerning Ocare. There are some people over there with some real mental deficit if they really believe this blather….

    Democrat, —

    “We will tattoo it to their forehead in 2014.”

    That’s what RNC Chair Reince Priebus said this weekend about how the GOP would try to use Obamacare to beat Democratic candidates in 2014.

    Well, I’ve got a message for Reince — bring it on.

    You see, I’m a Democrat who — despite all the glitches — is anxious, eager, and proud to fight FOR the Affordable Care Act.

    If you are too, say you’re in today.

    Why am I excited about the Affordable Care Act?

    Because it’s working, and people are already getting better, more affordable health care than before.

    Already, 500,000 Americans have been able to sign up for health coverage through the federal exchange, state exchanges, and Medicaid expansion.

    That’s half a million Americans who did not have health insurance, who now will. And one million more consumers are ready to get the plan that’s right for them. And that’s just in one month.

    Has it been perfect? No. President Obama and Democrats are the first to admit the website challenges have been unacceptable. Would more people be able to enroll if the website was working properly — yes, of course. And they will.

    But you know what else would help get more people enrolled? If Republicans would stop their concerted effort to block the law at every turn. If more Republican governors would set up state exchanges or expand Medicaid. If Republican lawmakers would stop holding ridiculous hearings to score political points, and help folks figure out how to fix the problems.

    Republicans, though, have never really been interested in that. They don’t want Obamacare to work. They are actually afraid of it working. Why? Because they know once people begin to enjoy the benefits that come with a better and more affordable health care system, they won’t want to give them up.

    And that terrifies Republicans to no end. So much so, that they even shut down the government and risked us defaulting on our national bills in order to stop it.

    Look, we’ve got some work to do to fix the glitches and get more people enrolled. We did that during the Bush Administration when Medicare Part D had a rocky rollout, and we can do it again now.

    Will that stop the Republicans from trying to kill it? Nope. Ted Cruz has already signaled that he’s open to another shutdown in January to try to stop Obamacare. Just as President Obama unveiled some administrative fixes to the program, Marco Rubio said that, “by no means should we be exploring ways to fix this law.” John Boehner renewed his commitment to “targeted strikes” aimed at repealing Obamacare, regardless of its impact on the American people.

    They are going to keep fighting this to the bitter end. That’s why Democrats need you on their side.

    This is what they want to expend their energy on. Nothing else. (Well, except for restricting women’s health care decisions. They’ll still keep trying that. Oh, and blocking commonsense immigration reform. That appears to be a priority as well.)

    No wonder a poll this week showed Congressional approval at an all-time low: 9 percent!

    So, yeah. I’m eager, anxious and proud to run on this in 2014.

    Because under the Affordable Care Act, half a million people have signed up for health care so far, and that number is only going to grow. The Republican plan is to try to take that away.

    Because under the Affordable Care Act, being a woman is no longer a preexisting condition. The Republican plan would not only make it one again, but they would impose even more restrictions on women’s health care access.

    Because every single Democratic member of Congress is committed to finding the solutions to make the Affordable Care Act work even better. The Republican Party? It shut down the federal government, delivering a $24 billion hit to our economy.

    I’ll take that fight any day of the week.

    Republicans tried to “tattoo” Obamacare to our foreheads in 2012. We won. They tried it in Virginia in 2013. We won.

    With your help, Democrats will win again in 2014. Say you’re in today:

    http://my.democrats.org/Obamacare-2014

    Thanks,

    Mo

    Mo Elleithee
    Communications Director
    Democratic National Committee

    Bring it on??? Really?? Do they not look at polling? I don’t even know what kind of response is warranted…

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2016

  109. Wbboei @ 3:11
    Your concise points are good nails for the already well informed, but the forgetful or less well-informed need the benefit of ADMIN’s detailed perspective.

    BTW, moononpluto: followed you in real time through yesterday and enjoyed it a lot! Thanks!

  110. I think i went through a whole bottle of JD watching that muppet yesterday and blogging it……its the only way to get through an Obama Presser…..

    I did enjoy it though, watching him implode.

  111. While his domestic centerpiece implodes, bumbles foreign policy withers away like a piece of paper that was set on fire.

    Obama cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his allies.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-envoy-nsa-spying-causing-distress-germany-174317708.html

    A strategy of half measures is proving not to work. In fact, it actually hurts more than it helps. Putin knows this and acted accordingly. Putin 1 Bumbles 0.

    http://news.yahoo.com/insight-powers-push-talks-syria-balance-tilts-towards-080446494.html

    From article {Emphasis mine}…

    Since the August 21 nerve gas attacks on rebel suburbs ringing Damascus, which brought the U.S. to the brink of a missile assault on Assad’s forces, the diplomatic tide has turned against the opposition, which briefly believed external intervention would enable its forces to launch a final offensive.

    Instead, the combination of hesitation by President Barack Obama’s administration and an 11th hour deal brokered by Russia, a key Assad ally, to decommission Syria’s chemical arsenal, has wrong-footed the rebels, now under intense U.S. and European pressure to attend talks in Geneva with a vague agenda.

    Syrian opposition advisers and independent analysts fear this could channel the Syrian conflict – like other intractable regional problems such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict – into a lengthy and fruitless process.

    Hillary 2016

  112. “President Obama’s messy breakup with insurers”
    ******
    It’s only going to get worse. Because the web site sucks, essentially no exchange insurance policies have been issued or used; when a significant number of people do get Obamacare insurance that’s when the shit is really going to hit the fan. Best that I can tell from the few horror stories that have come out, Obamacare policies are priced and the networks established at the county level, so rural counties will have limited networks, limited choices and higher prices compared to metro areas. The real screw job seems to be that Obamacare policies have no out of network coverage except for emergency care. So if a person goes out of their Obamacare limited network of hospitals and doctors, they are responsible for 100% of the cost. I can’t find the “rules” yet but I don’t think that the maximum yearly out of pocket cost applies to out of network costs. If that is true, than the insurance is essentially worthless for major medical conditions.

  113. ADMIN, Wbboei and Shadowfax…you all explain the truth and Hillary’s position better than I ever could…and thanks for all that detail Admin provided…

    …this site is a constant learning experience…

  114. admin
    November 15, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Wbboei, we did not see your comment at 3:11 while we were writing our comment at 3:22. You comment is much more concise than ours. You hit the points we made very well, especially point #3.
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    Admin–my response may have been more concise, but yours was more persuasive, particularly to the target audience, i.e. millions of voters who have not followed the issue. I concur with grape’s assessment.

  115. TheRock
    November 15, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    I’m sorry this is so long, but I had to post what the DNC sent to ‘rally the troops’ email concerning Ocare. There are some people over there with some real mental deficit if they really believe this blather….
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    Denial is an extremely powerful drug that makes one feel really good about oneself even during a zombie apocalypse.

  116. In October, it became apparent to the insurers he colluded with to create the health care abomination otherwise known a Obamacare that he had screwed the pooch with the website, and was intent on using them to pull his rocky mountain oysters out of the fire. They were not happy. Morale to the story. When you have unprotected sex with a male prostitute do not be surprised if you contract . . . fill in blanks. Jarrett was the flack catcher.

    Today, Obama himself, that greater than Lincoln, that Pericles of the golden age, that grifter, liar and destroyer of worlds met with his co-conspirators for a skull session entitled what the fuck do we do now. And, through his trusty teleprompter who is now represented by the AFL-CIO pursant to a cardcheck agreed to with Trumka, he delivered another speech for the ages. Lets examine his holy words, for the wisdom that passeth all understanding.

    “I want to welcome the executives who are here from a lot of the insurance companies that are participating in the marketplace,” Obama said before the meeting.

    Comment: Participating in the marketplace? That is too high faluten greek for me. Why does he not just say selling health insurance? Because he wishes to put a barrier between himself and his audience and sound professorial)

    “We all share a similar value, which is we want to make sure that Americans have good, solid coverage that gives them the security they need for themselves and their family members if and when they get sick.”

    (Comment: Oh give me a fucking break! And spare me the elevator speech. The goal of the insurance companies is profit. The goal of Messiah Obama is to reward his contributors, take over the economy, and get himself off the hot seat for the lies and incompetence he has shown. If Obama gave a rat’s ass about giving families solid coverage, he would have levelled with them rather than lying.)

    “We had, despite all the problems with the website, over a million people apply. Many multiples of that wanted to see what options were available.

    (Comment: another lie. What he mean by apply? Does he mean apply or visit the website. There is after all a not so subtle difference. Yes? And what are the real numbers? And for those that did apply, were they young healthy people, or old sick people who applied for medicaid?)

    Obviously because of the problems with the website some folks have been blocked from seeing the well-priced benefits that are available in the marketplace, and so we’re working 24/7 to get it fixed. The website is working a lot better now than it was a couple of weeks ago,” Obama continued.

    (Comment: Obviously? If it was so obvious, then why did you fail to realize it until it crashed. And don’t give me this crap that you asked and Secretary Celubrious said its ready to launch all systems go. You know, she knows, we know and felix the cat knows you never asked. And they did not tell you, because you do not talk with them. How may meetings have you had with your cabinet since you took office. How many? How about a nice round number–like zero. You are too detached, too disinterted and too preoccupied with campaigning to worry about governing.)

    The president said the meeting would consist of “brainstorming on how do we make sure that everybody understands what their options are.”

    (Comment: When has Messiah Obama ever had an original thought? When he stole Hillary’s ideas in the debates? When he stole Patrick Devalles lines–the mini black governor from Massachusetts. So lets be clear about the intent of this skull session. It amounts to this–its the Tacoma Narrows Bridge scenario all over again–like I posted yesterday. This is your problem to solve. I am just a messenger. The public is losing confidence in you. I need you to figure out a way to bail me out here, and I will see what I can do to indemnify you. But if you don’t help me here, then I will have no choice than to put on my populist hat and bury the lot of you alive.)

    “Because of choice and competition, a whole lot of Americans who’ve always seen health insurance out of reach are going to be in a position to purchase it.

    (Comment: What do these people want–really? If they want medical help when they are sick then they already have it. They get that help in the emergency room. This is very expensive, but that is not their concern. So all this fucking bullshit about getting cheap insurance to people who need it is one big ruse. They want medical help, not insurance. And if that help involves insurance with a huge deductible they are worse off than they are now. If this is the pretext to take over 1/6 of the economy–that 30 million will be better off, it is merely a pretext. I am not prejudging the merits of universal coverage which would produce tangible advantages. But that is not what this is.)

    “So I appreciate all these folks coming in. We’re going to be soliciting ideas from them. There’s going to be a collaborative process. We want to make sure that we get this done so that in the years to come every American is going to have the kind of affordable health care that they all deserve.”

    (Comment: folks? one of his favorite words, in case you have not noticed. It is the shortened version of the full text which reads: Ein Reich. Ein Volk (i.e. folk). Ein Fuerher (i.e. Messiah Obama)

    In announcing the administrative fix to defer enforcement on plans that don’t meet new minimum coverage standards, White House officials said companies would be under no obligation to give back canceled plans to customers.

    (Comment: But, but, but–what about if you like your plan you can keep it? Is he changing his position yet again. What about this administrative fix? Hardly is the ink dry on the paper, that he repudiates his own words. Again.)

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/11/15/obama-pulls-healthcare-execs-into-closed-door-brainstorming-session/
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  117. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-replace-obamacare-edit-1115-20131115,0,4468841.story

    Stop digging. Start over.
    This political salvage mission by the White House is roiling Americans’ health coverage.

    As Friday dawns, here’s what a health insurance crisis looks like to many millions of Americans: Barely six weeks shy of 2014, they do not know whether they will have medical coverage Jan. 1. Or which hospitals and doctors they might patronize. Or what they may pay to protect themselves and their families against the chance of medical and financial catastrophe. How much, that is, they may pay in order to satisfy the Democratic politicians and federal bureaucrats who are worsening a metastasizing health coverage fiasco.

    For perhaps 5 million of those Americans thus far — estimates vary — the Washington-ordered cancellation of their policies is especially maddening. In the past these people took responsibility for their coverage and bought policies that balanced their needs, finances and personal choices. Congress and President Barack Obama, by enacting the Affordable Care Act, in effect ordered insurers to dismantle many of those individual plans — and cancel those policies.

    The Americans manhandled by this exercise in government arrogance now find themselves divided into warring tribes: Those with chronic ailments who have found new plans on Obamacare exchanges and are pleased. Those who don’t want or can’t afford the replacement policies Obamacare offers them. Those whose new policies block them from using the health providers who have treated them for many years. The estimated 23 million to 41 million people whose employer-sponsored plans are the next to be imperiled. And on and on.

    Most of these tribespeople only wish their big problem was a slipshod Obamacare website. On Thursday, their plight grew more frightful. With even Democratic members of Congress storming the White House over the cancellations, Obama declared — by what legal authority is unclear — that he would overrule the law he signed in 2010 and allow insurers to extend those canceled policies for a year.

    If, that is, insurance regulators of the 50 states permit this potential distortion to risk pools inside and outside of Obamacare. The regulators, including those in Illinois, had better put protection ahead of politics: Within two hours of Obama’s announcement, Mike Kreidler, insurance commissioner of Washington, a Democrat-leaning state, rejected the president’s notion, citing “its potential impact on the overall stability of our health insurance market. … We will not be allowing insurance companies to extend their policies.”

    Note that these are the same insurance companies that have done what Obamacare demanded of them, while they often were being vilified by politicians and bureaucrats who haven’t done what Obamacare demanded of them: Create workable, economically sustainable, insurance markets. A spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, an industry group, said Thursday that Obama’s decree could further drive up prices: “Premiums were set based on assumptions about people transitioning to the (Obamacare) marketplaces,” Robert Zirkelbach told The Washington Post. “Changing the rules in the middle of the game could dramatically change who actually signs up. If the exchanges become nothing more than a high-risk pool, that’s going to result in massive premium increases for consumers.”

    So, what Obama presented Thursday as a favor looks like one more mess for state governments, insurers and … American citizens. Under the policy Obama articulated, the states and insurers aren’t required to do anything. The American citizens? Under Obamacare, they’re still required to have health insurance. Or pay a government fine.

    Note that the president’s intent to enable the extension of policies his administration deems inferior also contradicts a key tenet of Obamacare: the guarantee that (almost) every private health plan in the nation must offer a lengthy list of mandated benefits.

    On some level, then, the president plainly agrees with critics of Obamacare, this page included, that the law needs to be rewritten: He and his administration keep rewriting its major components — remember the mandate that sizable employers offer coverage in 2014? — as practicalities and politics demand.

    But in this country we don’t change bad laws by presidential fiat. We change them by having Congress rewrite them or by starting from scratch. Obama doesn’t want to reopen this law for fear that Republicans and some Democrats will substantially rewrite it. But that’s what has to happen.

    We understand why the president and leaders of his party want to rescue whatever they can of Obamacare. On their watch, official Washington has blown the launch of a new entitlement program … under the schedule they alone set in early 2010.

    What we don’t understand is their reluctance to give that failure more than lip service. Many of the Americans who heard their president say Thursday that “we fumbled the rollout of this health care law” would have been pleased to hear him add: So we’re admitting it. This law is a bust. We’re starting over.

  118. My take on the Middle East is this: thanks to the bungling of Obama, Russia is in line to replace us as the dominant player in the region. Saudi Arabia will be the last former ally to concede to this reality, and they are moving in to fill the vaccuum that Obama created with Egypt through his betrayal of the army, and ham handed attempts to install a puppet government which sought to impose Sharia Law. Obama’s snatching defeat from the jaws of victory on Syria, and his abject surrender to Putin is more of the same. Here are some further insights from Spengler-aka David Goldman:
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    Putin Gets It and We Don’t

    Middle East politics amounts to managing the decline of a failed culture. Nothing expresses Arab failure more vividly than Egypt, a banana republic without the bananas, now living on a $14 billion or so annual subsidy from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States. With 70% of its population living in agricultural areas, it imports half its food, and would starve if not for the Saudi check. ‘

    Egypt is beyond the point of no return economically, and American foreign policy is beyond the point of no return intellectually. Americans of both parties–Obama and Kerry on one side, and Sens. McCain and Graham along with the Weekly Standard on the other–believed that by waving the magic wand of democracy over this cataclysmically failed state, all would be well. I characterized this consensus as “Dumb and Dumber” earlier this year.

    The outcome, of course, is that Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov turned up in Cairo this week to hear his Egyptian counterpart declare that America’s erstwhile Arab ally wants to restore Russian-Egyptian relations to their level during the Soviet era–when Egypt was an enemy. As the Jerusalem Post summed up the mess:

    The more persistent the denials, the clearer it is that a marked shift is taking place in international ties that until recently bound the world’s single superpower with the most populous Arab state. The Russian ministerial visits were preceded by a visit by the chief of Russian intelligence and by Russian naval vessels.

    More important, the visits by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu involve a major sale to Egypt of sophisticated Russian military hardware – clearly a counter move to the American halting of weapons supplies.

    The Egyptians are essentially saying that they can shop elsewhere and not have to shell out cash. According to reliable reports, another exasperated American ally, Saudi Arabia, is footing the bill for this transaction to the tune of $4b. The Russians may receive additional compensation in the form of access for their navy to port facilities on the Mediterranean.

    Like it or not, this smacks of a return – if not fully in substance then at least in appearance – to the days of the Cold War when Egypt enjoyed unstinting Soviet support, enabling Moscow and Cairo to thumb their noses at Washington.

    Vladimir Putin gets it, and we don’t. He backs the Assad regime in Syria against Saudi-supported rebels. He is cracking down ruthlessly on Muslim terrorists in the Russian Caucasus, using Stalin-era forms of collective punishment. Nonetheless Riyadh is footing a $4 billion bill for Egypt to buy Russian arms

  119. btw…thought it interesting that John Garamendi of Califonia defied O and is on that list…Garamendi was the California State Insurance Commissioner from 1991 to 1995

    …one cut at a time…Ocare is dying a slow death…

    and the more the other dims…Pelosi, DWS, etc remain in denial…the more foolish they sound and the more trust of the people they lose…the American people are not as stupid as they think we are…

  120. S
    November 15, 2013 at 9:34 pm
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    The Law of Holes says this:

    When you are in one . . .

    Stop digging!

    That goes for mortals.

    Messiahs however are a different story

    The are unconstrained

    by logic,

    consistency,

    or the laws of nature.

    They have been known to walk on water and fly

    Yet fixing a website can be a challenge.

  121. From the Megyn Kelly show last night:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-architect-could-be-beginning-death-spiral_767168.html

    Obamacare Architect: ‘Could Be the Beginning of a Death Spiral’

    Harvard professor David Cutler, a so-called architect of Obamacare, says we “could be” witnessing “the beginning of a death spiral” for the unpopular health care bill. Cutler made the comments last night on Fox News:

    “So when you were on last week I asked you, if they don’t get enough people in the exchanges, then what happens?” said host Megyn Kelly. “And you said then the premiums go up very, very high. Now, was that ball put in motion today?”

    “We don’t know yet,” said Cutler. “So what the president is trying to do is to say the website is not working, the exchanges are not working. Let’s try and slow the process down and delay it by a year. And if it turns out to be a delay of a year, then we can work through that. It would be uncomfortable as it has been for the past month, but it will turn out okay. If it becomes a permanent situation that people who are healthier stay away and people who are sicker go into the exchanges, that becomes a very big problem.”

    “Is that the beginning of the so-called death spiral?”

    “That could be the beginning of a death spiral,” said Cutler. “That is, you could have a situation where the only people in the exchanges are very unhealthy people with very high premiums.”

  122. “As Friday dawns, here’s what a health insurance crisis looks like to many millions of Americans: Barely six weeks shy of 2014, they do not know whether they will have medical coverage Jan. 1. Or which hospitals and doctors they might patronize. Or what they may pay to protect themselves and their families against the chance of medical and financial catastrophe.”
    ******
    My wife was insurance shopping this week and decided on a BCBS plan. It is AHC compliant which means that she is paying for (her) useless maternity, pediatric, pediatric vision and hearing, etc., etc. However since it is not yet Jan 1, they can still ask about pre-existings and risk factors. The good news is that it has $1k deductible, 80-20 coverage, $20 co-pays and essentially an unlimited network and the premium is about $350/month. Compared to the junk insurance being sold on the exchanges, this is a real deal.

  123. Obama: “I am going to continue working for the priorities the American People care about.”

    Like amnesty, loss of medical insurance, giving the Middle East to Putin, etc.?

    Obama misspoke.

    What he meant to say was:

    I will continue working for the priorities of MY CONTRIBUTORS,

    And I don’t give a damned what the American People think

    Because (as he told Russian President Medved)

    2012 will be my last election.

    Only then could we believe him.

    And only on that narrow point.

  124. admin
    November 15, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    From the Megyn Kelly show last night:
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    A friend of mine with a first rate background in jouralism maintains that Megan Kelley is the best moderator in the media. I do agree. She never loses her cool, asks penetrating questions and thinks well on her feet–the latter being the most important test of anyone in the public light. Greta and Brett Baier are excellent too, but Megan is the best. I put O’Reilly at a much lower level than any of them. Half the time he comes off as the Duke of Torquemada, and the rest of the time, he is wishy washy as hell. He wilts when he interviews Obama. Baier interviewed Obama and he made Obama wilt. Notice Obama has never come back. I think Ailes did a good thing giving Megan the top spot.

  125. Krauthammer is a former psychiatrist and political pundit without peers. Obama attacks all pundits who oppose him–except for Charles. The dims, big media and the foundations of the left all attack everyone but him. I wonder why. In sum, Sir Charles is a man of medicine, a man of letters, but there is no indication that he is also a man of the cloth–a sky pilot. And neither was Freud. Therefore, it is noteworthy that after he describes the horror show brought on by the left through its own machinations and Obamacare, and says it is not a three day story but one that will last days, weeks months, (and years), and Megan Kelly asks him what Obama should do, that Krauthammer would recommend prayer. As for Pelosi, he reminds us that he was a psychiatrist, and that she is having a hard time coping with reality. I think it is fair to say, she always did, c.f. this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs, remember? only now she is floridly delusional. Ready to wield an axe? She has got that look. No more Ms Magazine covers for you Madame. Mad Magazine is calling your office, asking you to do a lay-out. Should you? Ask George Miller.
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    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2842776815001/charles-krauthammer-on-the-collapse-of-obamacare/

  126. Life has been known to imitate art. For example:

    In real life, a man rises from the depths of obscurity to the pinnacle of power and he inflicts upon us a program called Obamacare which he tells us nothing about but assures us it is for the good of humanity, as he defines it. (Note: the welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants–Camus)

    (vs)

    In the Rod Serling production To Serve Man, an alien, with no college records, visits us from outer space, seduces the sheeple and inflicts a similarly benign agenda, about which he tells us nothing, but lures us in. Too late we discover his game, and what he means when he says he is here to serve man. Whereupon, horror ensues.

    ——————————————
    PLOT SUMMARY:

    As the episode opens, Michael Chambers is seen lying uncomfortably on a cot in a spartan interior. A voice instructs him to eat. He refuses. He asks what time it is on Earth, and begins to tell the story of how he came to be here (aboard a spaceship) in flashback.

    The Kanamits, a race of 9-foot (2.7 m)-tall aliens, land on Earth. One of them addresses the United Nations, vowing that his race’s motive in coming to Earth is solely to be helpful to humanity. Initially wary of the intentions of an alien race who came “quite uninvited”, even skeptical international leaders begin to be persuaded of the aliens’ benevolence when the Kanamits share their advanced technology, quickly putting an end to many of Earth’s greatest woes, including hunger; energy becomes very cheap, and nuclear weapons are rendered harmless. The aliens even morph deserts into big, blooming fields. Trust in the Kanamits seems to be justified when Patty, one of a staff of US government cryptographers led by Chambers, cracks the title of a Kanamit book the spokesman left behind at the UN. Its title, she reveals, is To Serve Man.

    Soon, humans are volunteering for trips to the Kanamits’ home planet, which is portrayed as a paradise. With the Cold War ended, the code-breaking staff has no real work to do, but Patty is still trying to work out the meaning of the text of To Serve Man.

    The day arrives for Chambers’s excursion to the Kanamits’ planet. Just as he mounts the spaceship’s boarding stairs, his staffer Patty appears. He waves, smiling, but she runs toward him in great agitation. While being held back by a Kanamit guard, Patty cries: “Mr. Chambers, don’t get on that ship! The rest of the book To Serve Man, it’s… it’s a cookbook!” Chambers tries to run back down the spaceship’s stairs, but a Kanamit blocks him, the stairs retract, and the ship immediately lifts off.

    Chambers is once again seen aboard the Kanamit spaceship, now saying to the audience: “How about you? You still on Earth, or on the ship with me? Really doesn’t make very much difference, because sooner or later, we’ll all be on the menu…all of us.” The episode closes as he gives in and breaks his hunger strike; as Chambers tears at his food, Rod Serling provides a darkly humorous coda in voice-over, noting man’s devolution from “dust to dessert” and from ruler of a planet to “an ingredient in someone’s soup”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29

  127. VotingHillary
    November 16, 2013 at 12:46 am
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    My misfortune is to know him.

    He IS a wacko bird.

  128. I think it would take a Harvard trained ornithologist, specializing in wacko birds, to study McDermott, Pallone and McNutt, explain to us how they differ, and why the dodo bird expired and they survived. If he could do that, then I would recommend him for a Nobel Prize for what he had done, secure in the conviction that unlike Obama, he earned it.

  129. Here is what I think the question we as Americans have to ask ourselves.

    Is it that Barack Obama is the worst President or is it that the current eligible voters are the worst ever?

    Is Barack an abberation or is he the new norm of citizens more in tuned with Honey Boo Boo than the state of our national affairs?

    Is Barack’s narcissism inherant to him…or to this nation as a whole?

    They are calling this next generation the “lost generation”…the generation that voted for Obama en mass. Are they lost due to lack of jobs or are they lost because their entire self-worth is based on the latest cellphone?

    Obama felt entitled….so do his voters. Who raised them that way? How did we get to this point?

    Start back with the boomers, those born from 1944-1956. They were raised in a most prosperous of times and yet they have done more damage to this country than any other generation.

    Let’s look at their “achievements”. First, they bombed college campuses in the 1960’s leading to corporations ceasing their college scholarships, scholarships based on academic achievement.

    In the 1970’s, the “boomers” went all self-awareness leading to self absorbtion, free sex, free drugs…bad perms and polyester pantsuits. You would think those trends alone would cause them to rethink. But the end result was AIDS and a permanent class of addiction.

    In the 1980’s, they then raised their children to be mindless MTV consumers, while they, the narcissists they had become, bought videos to help them look great courtesy of Chairman Mao Fonda, they cheated the stock market galore, created the biggest piece of crap ever forced on the American worker..the 401K plan…and most of all…created a new type of journalism. The “tiffany network” CBS moved their news division into their entertainment division and demanded a profit thus creating the start point of what now passes as journalism today.

    Their grandchildren became these mindless voters that were raised even more entitled than the boomer’s children and don’t know real reporting from propaganda. This generation has a thousand friends online, but not a sole to invite to their birthday party. Obama tapped into that “friend me by voting for me” mentality.

    Barack Obama is the worst President this nation has ever had because we have raised the worst voters this nation has ever had.

  130. Clusterfook…..Reid is a dick.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/190431-senate-wont-bring-upton-fix-to-floor

    Senate won’t bring Upton fix to floor

    Senate Democrats do not expect to vote on the ObamaCare fix the House approved on Friday with 39 Democratic votes, according to a senior Democratic aide.

    The aide said there is not any pressure on the Senate Democratic leadership to bring the legislation sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) to the floor.

    ADVERTISEMENT
    “There is a difference between constructive fixes designed to improve the law and bills that would gut it,” said the senior Democratic aide. “The Upton bill is the latter.”

    Upton’s bill would allow insurance companies to offer the less expensive, limited plans that do not meet all of the more stringent requirements under ObamaCare.

    Millions of people have been told their existing plans have been or will be canceled, and the GOP bill is meant to address that.

    Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) has sponsored rival legislation that would require insurance companies to offer the old plans. She has panned Upton’s proposal.

    “The House bill guts and undercuts and drives a Mack truck through the Affordable Care Act by not only allowing people that had policies to keep them but allowing new people to sign on,” she said. “Their whole purpose is to undermine and throw the markets out of wack and make the Affordable Care Act not work.”

    Landrieu’s bill would mandate that insurance companies allow people to keep their plans if they prefer them to the options available through government exchanges. It would also require insurance companies to send notices to people who keep their plans informing them of the ways it does not meet the standards of the Affordable Care Act.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has yet to commit to putting Landrieu’s bill on the floor.

    Some Democrats argue a legislative fix is not necessary.

    “There is no need for a legislative fix for this issue,” Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) said in a statement earlier this week.

    He said Congress should work with the administration to improve the implementation of the law and publicize its benefits to people without insurance.

    ……………………………

    One way for the house to deal with that, refuse to bring anything the Senate does to the house floor…2 can play that game. Landrieu’s bill is now dead in the water.

  131. admin November 15, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    “… you… do not understand what you yourself write, let alone what ObamaCare is, or what Hillary Clinton proposed in 2008.”

    I don’t claim omniscience on Obamacare or Hillary’s 2008 proposal; but it’s strange that you say the above while nothing you write in your rebuttal refutes anything I said…

    For example, I said with respect to the individual mandate that HRC had proposed to “sign ‘em up at the emergency room,” which is an exact quote but which you refute with “point-of-contact” registration. I don’t object to the correction of vocabulary, but they’re the same thing.

    “Point of contact registration would not have implicated the Commerce Clause… because those registering clearly would be engaged in the commerce of health.”

    Yes, I know this and said nothing contrary to it. But the individual mandate was defended, and won, before the Supreme Court as a tax and not under the Interstate Commerce clause.

    “Do you need instruction to read again, with understanding, what you wrote? There was no penalty; there was no coercion; and there certainly was no dishonesty…. there was no coercive whip to extract money from anyone or to destroy the insurance plans of others”

    I must indeed need some instruction on how to read what I wrote: Nowhere can I find where I stated that there was a penalty, coercion or dishonesty in Hillary’s plan. I re-read all of my posts several times before submitting them, so I must be going gaga or something.

    In any event, if I even implied such things, I apologize.

    “How you know from so far away what Hillary will run on in 2016… is as mysterious as the continued support by anyone with a brain for ObamaCare and Obama.”

    First of all, my whole point (which I have repeated a number of times) is that we are too far from 2016 to place any demands on Hillary as concerns healthcare or any other issues, for that matter. We have to leave her time to think it out.

    Secondly, whether Obamacare is a disaster or a limited success, I for one am sure that it will be on Hillary’s mind if she contemplates a WH run because affordable universal coverage has been her goal for an eternity and she’s not going to stop any time soon. Exactly what she will propose, however, and where the country’s collective head will be at, in 2015, is beyond me, of course. It’s just speculation.

    Thirdly, I grant you that I don’t have much gray matter; but I am not expressing any support for Obamacare and certainly none for Obama. On the contrary, I’ve had enough of talking about Obama and think it’s pointless figuring out at this stage of the game whether he’s a liar or just an incompetent lackadaisical fool – a “boob” as you like to say.

    And I’m not expressing any support for Obamacare either – I think that should be obvious from what I’ve written over the last few days. I’m just trying to find something positive that can be done to reach viable universal healthcare under the present circumstances where I don’t see Obamacare going away anytime soon.

    It is on this last point that we diverge. Today’s article is entitled “Soft Repeal…” and claims that Obama himself has gutted Obamacare. You have a better crystal ball than I; but I’m not so sure that Obamacare is dead just yet.

    And if it does die, my concern is then for Hillary 2016. Can she, given the disaster of Obamacare, convince the country to go for her 2008 or 1994 plan?

    “Hillary proposed a public option in order not to destroy insurance companies but in order to bring about competition and lower prices. Most at the time understood that insurance companies would be threatened by the marketplace if the public option produced cheaper and better coverage. If the insurance companies produced better and cheaper plans they would thrive and the public option would be a vestigial organ.”

    I fully agree with this recounting of the public option in the 2008 plan. I don’t know why you’re preaching at me here; I have said as much in my recent writings.

    “We believe Hillary would have run a competent hands-on implementation program instead of golfing. Hillary also would not have made the deals Obama made with the industries affected. We know all this because in the earlier HillaryCare period Hillary turned down the offer (originated by the Heritage Foundation) that Barack Obama accepted.”

    I fully agree with you here too, though I have said nothing about this – certainly not the contrary! – in my posts. This is what Hillary would call a “hypothetical”, based on what “would have” been. It’s nice that we agree here, but the past conditional makes the statement irrelevant.

    “Your comment at 1:22 is misinformation and ignorance. The point of contact registration for mandated healthcare was not about the public option. At point of contact anyone could register for whatever insurance they wanted.”

    Looking at that comment, I see where you might get the idea that I was relating mandated healthcare to the public option. In fact, the mandate and the public option would not be applied in separate universes: They are related by the goal of a universal system. In my book, it’s a moot point so I’ll let you have it your way.

    “As to the blather about what Hillary is going to run on in 2016 only a Japanese Kamikaze pilot is capable of understanding your reasoning in light of the increasing contempt for ObamaCare among the American people.”

    Again, my “reasoning” concerning HRC 2016 is “Wait and See”. If Kamikazes had followed this “reasoning”, a lot of lives would have been saved, including their own.

  132. VotingHillary November 16, 2013 at 1:58 am

    “Is it that Barack Obama is the worst President or is it that the current eligible voters are the worst ever?”

    My answer is that the latter proposition is true and is the reason why the former proposition is true too.

  133. admin
    November 14, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    Yes, they did think they could get away with it.

    You could see the scam and accompanying PR plan falling apart on October 1st if you were familiar with his 2008 nomination scam. It was set up just like his nomination and then election. It had Axelrod written all over it. All of the 2008 douchebags like Pelosi and Reid, the Journolist media, paying constituencies (like big pharma, big insurance, Wall St, big hospital corporations, poverty pimps, stupid “gimme some federal money” governors, big labor, federal contract friends and hustlers, etc) were assigned their parts just like in 2008. It was a massive scam, transfer of wealth, and hustle calibrated to move money and squash dissent. They had done it successfully with his nomination, election, green energy scam, expansion of welfare benefits, and bailouts of various contributor industries.

    What fouled this one? I think eventually we will find out it is greed. Not only was the scam too big, affecting almost everyone, with a pot of money too temping for a bunch of grifting thugs from Chicago, the “contracts” to pull off a critical component (driving the getaway car if you will) of the scam were handed out to some of the biggest idiot cronies ever assembled and overseen by the prime greed brigade in the WH who I suspect is ValJar and Michelle. Everything these two do is based upon what they expect in return. IT is so far beyond the realm of anything either can understand I think they were conned and played while trying to con and play everyone else. Why are these two prima donnas so quiet of late? Because they are in hot water. They screwed up as only those two can. Everyone else did their part but the website portal to provide the getaway mechanism blew a gasket. I thank Canada for sending in their biggest idiots to con ValJar and Michelle who are our biggest idiots. I see Divine Providence. And a big dose of dark comedy.

  134. Claims that Obamacare had to bring up premiums to cover sick people is based upon a false premise. The jump in premiums with the bait and switch of offering additional services that insured people will never use as a way of jacking up profits is part of the scam. As it the offer of skimpy subsidies which go directly to insurers. The gargantuan windfall that the insurers were expecting was part of the carrot to get them to co-operate in the wealth transfer. But as is his usual practice Obama has double crossed them and is now blaming them.

    Obamacare was supposed to create another Democratic constituent class such as big labor, greenies, big education, big banks, etc who in turn pay out to Democrats to keep the scams running. It is parasitic. Republicans do it too with defense, big agriculture, etc. When Obama said “I won” he meant he was in charge of the scams and the time for Democrats to profit. The false premise is that Obamacare was the ONLY way to help the un and under-insured. It was not. But it was the best way for Democrats to profit financially and politically. As the rot is uncovered expect to see stock deals, lucrative jobs, and assorted other dirty deals set up by Democrats to profit. Think of Chicago public housing scams on steroids.

  135. wbboei November 15, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    1. Obamacare is NOT universal health care.

    Never said it was, quite the contrary. If you surmised that from what I said, please accept my apologies.

    2. Obamacare is NOT an enabling step to universal health care coverage.

    Well, I don’t think so either, at least not in the political environment of this moment.

    My suggestions, or rather demands, rather concern what I think has to be done to achieve universal healthcare coverage once the dust has settled and people begin thinking about the country’s best interests again.

    And, as you know, these suggestions are colored by my personal experience with a full-coverage universal system that could as well in America as it does elsewhere. That is, universal healthcare coverage may seem un-American to you, but there is nothing anti-American about it.

    3. Obamacare is what the Republicans proposed in 1994 as a defense against universal health care coverage.

    Interesting, I didn’t know that….

    4. Obamacare is payola to insurance company contributors. Period.

    Yes.

    5. You cannot have a welfare state and open borders without sinking the country.

    You’re right, of course; but I don’t see where that fits into the issue as it stands. Do you mean that expanded Medicaid will cover undocumented workers? That’s true enough, if it is indeed the case.

    But again, I’m speaking from the perspective of a system with low-cost universal and full coverage, which happens to work: There are no undocumented workers to speak of in France, and those few are not integrated into the healthcare system anyway because the health insurance premium is collected “at the source” – i.e. a withholding on salary. Undocumented workers do not collect a salary but cash on the black market, so they are not in the system. If they get sick, they’re in trouble – and so is everyone else, if their disease is contagious; but the worker will either be expelled from the country or the employer will be forced to pay a fine, spend time in jail, and/or integrate the worker.

    One example of how this has been handled in the past:

    When East Europe opened up and countries applied for membership in the EU, there were a lot of women from Czechoslovakia who came to Paris to make money as prostitutes. Since the French police (unlike American police) have the right to demand ID from anyone at any time, these women were picked up on the streets, jailed and sent back to their home countries. But there was an alternative: They could apply for working papers, declare their income and pay into the healthcare system (independent worker status), with compulsory monthly checkups.

    This is equivalent to the Dutch form of legalized prostitution.

    The key here, to my thinking, is the fact that ID is required in France whereas it is not in the US (5th amendment). Thus, it is not directly linked to healthcare but is another issue that gives rise to many problems in the States: No ID.

  136. UnitedHealth drops thousands of doctors from insurance plans: WSJ

    (Reuters) – UnitedHealth Group dropped thousands of doctors from its networks in recent weeks, leaving many elderly patients unsure whether they need to switch plans to continue seeing their doctors, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

    The insurer said in October that underfunding of Medicare Advantage plans for the elderly could not be fully offset by the company’s other healthcare business. The company also reported spending more healthcare premiums on medical claims in the third quarter, due mainly to government cuts to payments for Medicare Advantage services.

    The Journal report said that doctors in at least 10 states were notified of being laid off the plans, some citing “significant changes and pressures in the healthcare environment.” According to the notices, the terminations can be appealed within 30 days.

    Tyler Mason, a UnitedHealth spokesperson, was not immediately available for comment when reached by Reuters.

    The insurer told the WSJ that its provider networks were always changing and that it expected its Medicare Advantage network to be 85 percent to 90 percent of its current size by the end of 2014.

    UnitedHealth is participating in about a dozen new state insurance markets that launched on October 1 to offer subsidized health coverage under President Barack Obama’s healthcare overhaul.

    http://news.yahoo.com/unitedhealth-drops-thousands-doctors-insurance-plans-wsj-030014903–finance.html

  137. admin
November 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Anyone still think Hillary will, or should, run on ObamaCare or even healthcare at this point?

    Shadowfax November 15, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    If Hillary decides to run, I do hope she comes out with a plan to destroy ObamaCare as it stands, and hear her idea of how she would handle reducing Big Pharma costs and how to cover those in need without health insurance.

    I don’t want Hillary to just pretend this mess doesn’t exist.

    Thank you for this positive note, Shadowfax.

    Perhaps unknowlingly, you’ve weight in on my side.

    Because I’m being cast as the Black Sheep once again, as if I were taking the side of “Obamacare as it stands”, whereas my concerns are exactly yours: I don’t want and don’t think that Hillary will “just pretend this mess doesn’t exist”. She will definitely take a stand and indeed will have to do so, but only in 2015 when the dust has hopefully settled.

    In the meantime, I’m trying to find ways that “she would handle reducing Big Pharma costs and how to cover those in need without health insurance.”

    Again, we don’t know what the fate of Obamacare will be by 2015: Has it already been repealed, as claimed in today’s article? Will it eventually go down in flames? Or will it be the success, albeit limited, claimed in the DNC declaration?

    My point is and has always been that, regardless of the fate of Obamacare, “I don’t want Hillary to just pretend this mess doesn’t exist” and I want to “hear her idea of how she would handle reducing Big Pharma costs and how to cover those in need without health insurance”, as you say, and all my comments so far have been cast in that vein…. with the caveat that, for the time being, it is safer for her to let WJC and D operatives like Carville, Ickes and congressional Ds do the heavy lifting.

  138. Mormaer
    November 16, 2013 at 7:05 am
    ————————–
    Marvelous analysis.

    It sheds new light on what occurred.

    And it tells us what so many insiders do not want us to know.

    The magnitude of the fraud is . . . incredible.

    A massive transfer of wealth leading to what?

    Kirsten Powers said it best: chaos.

  139. For Democrats, Obamacare Unfolding Like a Greek Tragedy

    A great tragedy is unfolding within Democratic ranks. The party and their leader, President Barack Obama, are scrambling to mitigate the damage the Affordable Care Act is doing to the Democratic brand. In their rush, they are striking glancing blows against a law which is already teetering on its unsound foundations. In a Euripidean twist, it is Democrats, not Republicans, who are meting out potentially fatal blows to the project which had once represented their greatest hopes.

    Passed along party lines by appealing to methods unbecoming of the democratic process, the president secured his signature achievement in 2010. It was all downhill from there. A scandalous number of waivers, carve-outs and bailouts later, the ACA went into effect in October amid the self-flagellating protests of Republicans. Defeated at last, the law’s opponents stepped aside. Without a distraction, the press and the public focused on the effects of the law itself. What they saw was grotesque.

    As the waves of policy cancellations continued, liberals and Democratic partisans atonally cheered the development. True to form, they celebrated the dismantling of the individual insurance market. The “incorrect promise,” in the parlance of the New York Times editorial board, that the president had made the nation was a necessary fiction and, they told themselves, a forgivable one. It was required in order to sell a skittish public, married to the quaint idea that they could determine what was best for them and their families, on a program that would rob them of this injurious autonomy.

    See More @
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/for-democrats-obamacare-unfolding-like-a-greek-tragedy/

  140. Mormaer:

    What I find so brilliant in your comments is the way they cut to the chase of what is really going on here.

    There is a tendency among professors like Larry Sabato, pundits like Krauthammer and their ilk to characterize what is going on here as a battle between competing political ideologies, i.e. free market vs socialism, rich vs. poor, democrats vs republicans, and to leave it all there.

    The problem with this analysis is it does not explain reality. For example, if he Republican Party is the party of small government as they claim to be, then why is it that the federal government grew as much as they did under Bush. If they are the party of liberty and freedom, then how does one explain the Patriot Act? And if the Democrat Party is the party that looks out for the poor and downtrodden, then why is it that the poor have not prospered, but regressed under their regimes, as Tom Sowell has proven? The clash of ideologies does not explain what is occurring.

    Many of us have been trying to articulate what is occurring. For example, the Tea Party characterizes it as a clash between the economic interests of those in Washington and the American People, which is true up to a point. Furthermore, in the specific case of Obamacare, SHV has proven to a moral certainty that the insurance companies are behind part of it. These insights frame the picture, but they do not fill in the details.

    That is where your cogent analysis has proven to be, for me at least, so insightful. It is an anatomy lesson on the kind of corruption that infests the body politic. It shows the moving parts, and how they work together to exploit the American People, and diminish their future prospects, all under the pretext of helping them. It is not simply profit making. It is deceptive and predatory politics. May its practitioners die at the ballot box and rot in hell.

  141. wbboei November 16, 2013 at 11:58 am

    General agreement with your remarks and thus those of Mormaer, but

    “…deceptive and predatory politics. May its practitioners die at the ballot box and rot in hell”

    is just wishful thinking, at the end of the day. The electorate put these people in power and is generally unaware of what is happening. Result: It’s just going to be a R v D struggle at the ballot box.

  142. “The insurer said in October that underfunding of Medicare Advantage plans”
    ******
    Medicare Advantage and Part D Medicare are the Republicans contribution to the “Uniparty’s” money laundering politics of bribes and extortion. In 2012, insurance company “Advantage” plans sucked up an additional $34 billion over the cost of Medicare for the same patients. The only bigger insurance ripoffs are the Medicare supplemental plans.

  143. Frank Luntz who is no friend to the GOP is scaring the pants off Dems on Fox right now. Obama too.

    Lets put Frank Luntz’s focus groups results down to one sentence: “Dem,s You are screwed.”

  144. The main difference between Obamacare and Hillary/Bill Clinton’s approach is the way it was passed. While Obamacare was passed without informing the public of the consequences by creating it behind closed doors, I think that Hillary and Bill would have opened it up for argument. I remember clearly that Bill was advocating that on the subject of Universal Health Care, what the Democrats should do is to win the argument. If Obamacare is such a good thing, why didn’t they open everything up, discussed the benefits AND the consequences and argued it in public. The thing is, they know that if they opened it up it would be unpalatable to the public. And because they think they know what was good for everyone, they passed it anyway without bipartisan support.

  145. The main difference is Hillary would never have gone head first into Heatlhcare in her first term, she would have focused on the economy and worked on that first. but oh no Bumbles had be an ass.

  146. Logging in to just say a big THANK YOU! to

    Mormaer
    November 16, 2013 at 7:05 am

    When I see your handle, I read your comment with great interest. Keep up the good work. Hope you don’t mind if I copy and paste it around the blogs.

  147. jeswezey
    November 16, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Thank you for this positive note, Shadowfax.

    Perhaps unknowlingly, you’ve weight in on my side.

    Because I’m being cast as the Black Sheep once again, as if I were taking the side of “Obamacare as it stands”, whereas my concerns are exactly yours: I don’t want and don’t think that Hillary will “just pretend this mess doesn’t exist”. She will definitely take a stand and indeed will have to do so, but only in 2015 when the dust has hopefully settled.

    In the meantime, I’m trying to find ways that “she would handle reducing Big Pharma costs and how to cover those in need without health insurance.”

    Again, we don’t know what the fate of Obamacare will be by 2015: Has it already been repealed, as claimed in today’s article? Will it eventually go down in flames? Or will it be the success, albeit limited, claimed in the DNC declaration?

    My point is and has always been that, regardless of the fate of Obamacare, “I don’t want Hillary to just pretend this mess doesn’t exist” and I want to “hear her idea of how she would handle reducing Big Pharma costs and how to cover those in need without health insurance”, as you say, and all my comments so far have been cast in that vein…. with the caveat that, for the time being, it is safer for her to let WJC and D operatives like Carville, Ickes and congressional Ds do the heavy lifting.

    I think that what Hillary should do is NOT to fix Obamacare but to repeal it altogether and start from scratch. Open everything up to the public. Discuss ALL the pros and cons and then decide. This is the thing that the Democrats did not do when they passed this gargantuan piece of legislation. There are many reasons why Healthcare in the US is expensive. Universality is just one aspect of it. That the US is a litigious society is also one reason. The fact that the US is basically subsidizing the rest of the world is also one reason. So the solution is not going to be simple. But the main thing is that the solution should be debated. Democrats do not have a monopoly on good ideas.

  148. JesW

    Thank you for this positive note, Shadowfax.
    Perhaps unknowlingly, you’ve weight in on my side.
    Because I’m being cast as the Black Sheep once again

    ——-
    First of all, I don’t think you are the blacksheep on the blog but you definitely have a very different point of view living in France and either forgot the immigration problem in the US, or lived in an area that was not overrun with undocumented immigrants flooding over the borders. I live in CA, so the backbone of our state is broken right now from the costs of supporting, healing and educating these people. I am surrounded by these people at work and that’s all I can say about it. So, contrast that against the system you are living in, and see that is a huge element in many states along the border, Arizona, Texas, California…and down the line. These are some of our largest states and the illegals move up around the country. This is what overburdens our health care system. Anyone can go to the emergency room if they are sick, no questions asked…and they do. They also get free health care in the general hospitals, at least in parts of CA I know of. You get the picture.

    The other point of the big picture that I see in this ‘black sheep’ scenario, is when differing from the opinions of someone else, people (including you) are offended if their perspective is mis-characterized, as in their loyalty to ObamaCare, Hillary or Obama. I think we all need to be careful on how we frame our opinions, I struggle with it most of the time, believe me.

    Anyway, I will leave the other details to you and the blog on this issue, but I do admire your courage, and I am glad you have a thick skin. 😉

    I left another blog years back because I was openly accused of being a batshit over Hillary and insinuated that I couldn’t think outside of that perspective.

  149. The electorate put these people in power . . . ?
    ——————————
    Only in the sense that they were given a choice between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.

    They were not chosen.

    They were installed by the monied interests–in both parties.

    And that is why truth tellers do not get very far as candidates.

    Make no mistake about that.

  150. And big media is the tool they use to cape the herd and install the candidate they want.

    Whether he be the winner or the designated loser.

    The RINO is the designated loser, but like the ham and egger boxer, he will take the fall for a price.

    Conservatives are sick to death of that little soap opera.

    I think of no better example of a 24 carrot loser than McCain.

    He is an habituae of the same fantasy land of denial as Pelosi.

    He actually thinks he speaks for the party.

    He also believes the moon is made of green cheese.

    Pelosi of course concurs.

  151. “Only in the sense that they were given a choice between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb.

    They were not chosen.

    They were installed by the monied interests–in both parties”
    *******
    That is why Obama was selected, he was the perfect candidate..utterly corrupt..no agenda other than self interest. The whole Dem primary was pure street theater; the deals had been cut probably several years before, with health care and “big money” and it was “anyone” but Hillary. The fly in the ointment was that Hillary wasn’t told/wouldn’t play and she kept winning thus requiring the “rules” committee “putsch”.

  152. moononpluto
    November 16, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    The main difference is Hillary would never have gone head first into Heatlhcare in her first term, she would have focused on the economy and worked on that first.


    I agree.

  153. Admin: I am confused at this point. Can you provide insight on this conundrum?

    Red State argues that Republicans should do nothing to help save Obamacare. They voted against it consistently, and when they went so far as to allow a shutdown of non-essential workers in government (who should not be working there in the first place, when you have an 18 trillion dollar budget) they were blasted as racists, terrorists by big media, at the behest of Obama. Why lift a finger to save that him? I agree with that sentiment, at least in principle.

    PJ Media argues that if the Republicans do nothing then they will be seen as the party of do nothing. Ergo, they must come to the aid, and work with the dimocrats to save the day. Voters will reward them if they do, and punish them if they do not. I disagree. I think the more they get enmeshed in this goddamned thing, the more they will be cast as part of the problem. Swim as far away as you can from a sinking ship. To me that seems pragmatic, but it can also be seen as an abdication of leadership, and putting party over country.

    Morris argues that Obama has cleverly given insurance companies the option of cancelling or not cancelling the policies. The Upton bill does about the same thing. But the insurance companies have no financial incentive to reinstate those policies. Hence they will not, millions will be forced into the private exchanges, and Obama can shift the blame to them, and with the help of big media the sheeple will believe him.

    Two days ago, Morris asks his readers to tell their congressmen to support the Uption bill. Now he is saying naye naye nave, you must tell them to support the Landieu bill. Why? Because it does not give insurance companies the option to reinstate, it compels them to do so. He contends unless the insurance companies are compelled to reinstitute those policies, they will refuse to do so, for the very reason Mormaer describes.

    I do not see one clear path which keeps the turd in Obama’s pocket and protects the middle class from being exploited by being forced into the exchanges. Doing nothing let Obama win. Doing Upton lets Obama win. Voting for the Landieu bill lets her off the hook, but it is the one way–the only way forward, if we are going to stop Obamacare.

  154. November 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    My above comment talked mostly about illegal immigrants. Someone could say, “You must not support Hillary if you don’t believe in things like the Dream Act, etc…”

    Well I do support Hillary, but I do not support keeping open borders and giving illegals amnesty, etc.

    So, to support Hillary as a candidate for President doesn’t mean that we all have to mindlessly follow all of her beliefs.

  155. Well you got what you voted for…..thats what you get for voting color over brains.

    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=5239

    VIDEO: Students at historically black college complain Obamacare has left them uninsured

    Bowie State administrators say they canceled students’ health insurance plans due to new Affordable Care Act regulations.
    Many students say they are left uninsured.

    Students at Bowie State University assailed the Affordable Care Act (ACA) on Thursday after administrators cancelled a low cost school-wide health care plan due to new regulations in the law.

    Many students told Campus Reform that the now cancelled plans, which provided coverage for just $50 per semester, were the only insurance they could afford.

    “I can’t afford anything right now,” one said. “I can’t even afford my loans.”

    “We don’t have that money,” said another. “We can barely afford books.”

    Several students said that they felt they had been let down.

    “It’s stupid and it’s Obama’s fault,” one said. “You haven’t done anything, Obama, and I’m disappointed in you.”

    “What it was hyped up to be, was that it was supposed to solve a lot of problems and help a lot of people, and its not really doing that,” said another.

    Many students had no idea the plans had been canceled, which was announced only in an email to their school addresses.

    In a statement to Campus Reform, Bowie State said it was confident that Obamacare would fill the void left by the canceled plans.

    “Most students are now able to be covered under their parent’s health plans up to age 26 at no additional cost and new affordable coverage is becoming available through the Maryland State Insurance Exchange System,” it read.

    Campus Reform conducted the interviews with student Eugene Craig III, who first wrote about canceled plans in an article in the school’s alternative newspaper, The Bulldog Collegian.

    ……………….

    Your Chickens came home to roost and they are turning on you…..

  156. “You must not support Hillary if you don’t believe in things like the Dream Act, etc…
    ——————-
    That would be thinking like a bot, which is to say, abandoning your own free will and blindly adopting everything the candidate says. Are we not entitled to think for ourselves? Are we prohibited from disagreeing with a candidate we support on certain issues? Is that disloyalty. I know what Obama, big media and Taylor Marsh would say in response to that question. You have no right to think for yourself. Forgive me for saying, but they are too close to Stalin for me.

  157. Greek columns in Denver lead to Greek tragedy. ObamaCare, like a deer that has been shot but still running, is dead. What remains to be seen is when the caretakers allow the death certificate to be signed:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/for-democrats-obamacare-unfolding-like-a-greek-tragedy/

    For Democrats, Obamacare Unfolding Like a Greek Tragedy

    A great tragedy is unfolding within Democratic ranks. The party and their leader, President Barack Obama, are scrambling to mitigate the damage the Affordable Care Act is doing to the Democratic brand. In their rush, they are striking glancing blows against a law which is already teetering on its unsound foundations. In a Euripidean twist, it is Democrats, not Republicans, who are meting out potentially fatal blows to the project which had once represented their greatest hopes.

    Passed along party lines by appealing to methods unbecoming of the democratic process, the president secured his signature achievement in 2010. It was all downhill from there. A scandalous number of waivers, carve-outs and bailouts later, the ACA went into effect in October amid the self-flagellating protests of Republicans. Defeated at last, the law’s opponents stepped aside. Without a distraction, the press and the public focused on the effects of the law itself. What they saw was grotesque.

    As the waves of policy cancellations continued, liberals and Democratic partisans atonally cheered the development. True to form, they celebrated the dismantling of the individual insurance market. The “incorrect promise,” in the parlance of the New York Times editorial board, that the president had made the nation was a necessary fiction and, they told themselves, a forgivable one. It was required in order to sell a skittish public, married to the quaint idea that they could determine what was best for them and their families, on a program that would rob them of this injurious autonomy.

    In spite of their celebrations, the clamorous public never quieted. The scale of the political catastrophe became apparent in poll after poll. Young voters told Quinnipiac pollsters that they trust congressional Republicans over President Obama on who would best handle health care by 5 points. 52 percent of voters viewed Obama as untrustworthy. A majority of Americans told Fox News pollsters they believe the president intentionally misled the public.

    Alarm evolved into panic. Nervous Democrats began to craft plans that would reverse the politically disastrous effects of the ACA’s implementation. Stalwart Democrats in the Senate like Sens. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and Mark Udall (D-CO) crafted plans that would, in varying degrees, undermine the financial stability of the law by allowing those who lost their plans to regain them even though they knew that the long-term consequences of these “fixes” could do irreversible damage to the ACA. [snip]

    Democrats are fully aware of how their “fixes” are potentially fatal for the most expansive liberal reform in generations. They do not care. The political threat is that grave. Initially, they warned the president that he must do something to stop the bleeding. After President Bill Clinton admonished the president for failing to honor his “commitment” to voters, Democrats stopped asking.

    Members of the president’s party in Congress begged Obama, like Brutus, to strike a blow against his signature legacy achievement. In doing so, Obama’s strike against the ACA would legitimize those of his allies. On Thursday, Obama did just that. [snip]

    The public’s anxiety will not abate. Obama will not escape blame, and his party’s representatives in Congress fighting for their careers will continue to call new strikes against a law responsible for a wholly unnecessary crisis, the explosion of newly uninsured.

    This is a tale of misfortune and woe so Shakespearean that only history’s greatest bards could have ever dreamed it. So many liberals sacrificed so much to bring this creation to life. As it has become clear that their creation is a monster, they are struggling against the increasingly inescapable realization that they may have to kill it in order to save themselves, and their party, from an age in the wilderness.

  158. I am flattered that some readers of this fine blog like my analysis. One of the things that struck me in 2008 when I was researching candidate Obama was his association with highly dubious “programs”, legislation, community groups, agitators, and do nothing hustlers. It was a history of producing nothing but favors for certain groups and individuals who in turn helped him (or his wife). They invariably produced nothing and usually left things much worse than when they started “messing” with whatever or whoever was unfortunate enough to be chosen to “help”. The goal was always the same with everything he was involved with which was to extract money from taxpayers or business interests to pass around to his cronies or himself. Most of Chicago civic life seems to follow this pattern.

    Obamacare follows this same pattern. Find a problem, exaggerate it, then find a way to profit from it and bring in some greedy co-conspirators. Obamacare is much larger however with more moving parts and more complicated on a huge magnitude. Because they had gotten away with so much already, are too stupid to realize how complicated that which they were attempting to pull off, and kept finding new ways to be greedy and crooked along the way (IT contracts! Canada! Jobs for cronies’ children!) the scam collapsed upon itself. All of the governors who declined to participate know a scam when they see one as they are fairly common at the state level. Obama and Co. really are third rate criminal minds and very undisciplined in the greed department. And career crooks never know when to stop.

  159. Its started folks ….the transition. They realise only Hillary can save them in 2016. Interesting Messina is about to sign on with Hillary..a significant step?

    “Priorities was formed to back Obama in ’12 and is making transition to become the pro-Clinton super PAC for 2016″ –

    even if the pres remains neutral in the Dem nomination contest, key members of Obama’s pol team will be working for Clinton.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-lay-groundwork-for-clinton-2016/2013/11/16/8b919fa6-4ed2-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html?hpid=z1

    Democrats lay groundwork for Clinton 2016

    The institutional apparatus of the Democratic coalition is shifting gears as party strategists, outside groups and the people who finance campaigns prepare for what they believe is an inevitable 2016 presidential bid by Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    As President Obama struggles with the debacle of his Affordable Care Act rollout and fights to regain his political standing, his party’s machinery is already pivoting to the next campaign. Concrete steps are being taken to wage a general election contest with Clinton as the presumed nominee.

    All of this may seem premature, and in many ways it is. Obama’s presidency, weak or strong, has three years to run. Clinton hasn’t yet said definitively whether she will be a candidate in 2016. Even if she does, she must prove herself as a candidate — and there are enough memories of the mistakes that she, and particularly her team, made when she ran in 2008 to make any Democrat nervous.

    Still, the signs of activity, and the implications of those efforts, speak both to Clinton’s unique standing in the Democratic Party and to the understanding that the sophistication of modern politics — especially on the scale of a presidential campaign — requires far more lead time and preparation than it did a generation ago.

    A formal Clinton campaign, should there be one, lies well into the future, although informal discussions among key advisers have been going on for months. But the outside entities that are now part of any presidential campaign are moving to make themselves into promoters and protectors of Candidate Clinton.

    “There’s an amazing amount of outside activity, but more important, structural formation,” said one prominent Democratic strategist with a long history in presidential campaigns, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak candidly. “There’s a real apparatus out there.”

    The latest evidence came last week when BuzzFeed and, later, other news organizations reported that Jim Messina, Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, was nearing agreement to join the super PAC Priorities USA. Priorities was formed to back Obama in 2012 and is now making the transition to become the pro-Clinton super PAC for 2016.

    Also expected to play a significant role is John Podesta, who was White House chief of staff during President Bill Clinton’s administration. Priorities USA struggled to raise money for a good part of the 2012 cycle. With Podesta and Messina aboard, that’s not likely to be a problem for the pro-Clinton PAC.

    The Biden factor

    Messina’s likely move is notable for another reason. It signals to other prospective Democratic candidates, particularly Vice President Biden, that even if the president remains neutral in the Democratic nomination contest, key members of Obama’s political team will be working for Clinton.

    This is not out of any disloyalty to Biden. Obama advisers are moving to Clinton because they are persuaded that the vice president will not run if she does. In fact, Biden has told some key Democrats that he understands there would not be room for him if Clinton were a candidate (though some of his allies think their might be). He will do all he must do to maintain his viability as a candidate as the party awaits Clinton’s decision.

    read on to page 2

  160. The practical question, of course, is when you destroyed the private marketplace, how do you put Humpty Dumpty back together again? Other than the very government exchanges, where those insurance companies will be shitting in tall cotton.

    I wish it were as simple as burning Zeke at stake. Actually, that would not be simple as one might think. Oh, why not? Because he would insist upon making a final speech, a self eulogy, and when we tried to hold him within a reasonable time frame, he would get bitchy. This would prove unendurable, and suicide could be our only way out.

  161. This is a tale of misfortune and woe so Shakespearean that only history’s greatest bards could have ever dreamed it.

    ———
    Shakespearean tragedy?

    More like Cheech or Chong become the Manchurian Candidate.

    The slacker is caught with his pants down, and somehow those to blame for his coronation see this as their epic tragedy.

    Off with their heads!

  162. Leanora
    November 16, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    ————-
    Thank you Leanora. You have beat me to the motherload. He is a Soros agent, and I was going to do an expose on him a few days ago. Big money, big problems, hand picked by the Old Nazi himself. Oh, by the way, he blogs occasionally at HuffPo.

  163. I bet Obama is saying to himself…”why did’nt i stick to One and Done” He has stuck too long in the job to get found out and he should have done what he always did, run away before they found out he is the useless employee who got by on pure luck and no skill……he’s done it in every job, should have stuck with it.

  164. moononpluto
    November 16, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    Its started folks ….the transition. They realise only Hillary can save them in 2016. Interesting Messina is about to sign on with Hillary..a significant step?

    ———
    If this is true, I would like to know if the Clinton’s are in on it or not.

    If they are, Hillary has made her decision to run and is moving behind the scenes.

    If the Clinton’s are not part of this plan, either the movers and shakers are ready to abandon their half black darling, or they may be infiltrating moles to stab Hillary in the back again?

    Any info on the character of these people would be greatly appreciated.

  165. Well, confirmation that the Government systems are not secure, and my guess is that the HellCare site, if working will also not be secure to hacker theft.

    (Reuters) – Activist hackers linked to the collective known as Anonymous have secretly accessed U.S. government computers in multiple agencies and stolen sensitive information in a campaign that began almost a year ago, the FBI warned this week.

    The hackers exploited a flaw in Adobe Systems Inc’s software to launch a rash of electronic break-ins that began last December, then left “back doors” to return to many of the machines as recently as last month, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said in a memo seen by Reuters.

    The memo, distributed on Thursday, described the attacks as “a widespread problem that should be addressed.” It said the breach affected the U.S. Army, Department of Energy, Department of Health and Human Services, and perhaps many more agencies.

  166. Messina is an albino blob, who sent the SEIU thugs to St Louis with specific instructions to assault the Tea Party people who appeared at a legislative forum. He is a toxic cocksucker. We do not need him on the team. He belongs in jail.

  167. Shadowfax

    I think they really do realise that the only starpower that is going to save them in 2016 is the Clintons…..with the crap unfolding do you think they will turn to a big mistake like they did with Obama…he was an experiment and the party know how that went, they cannot risk another complete unknown who really does not have the parties best interests or that does not have the experience……

    Who really can they put up……

    Biden – The idiot
    Warren – untested outside of any liberal establishment and do they want another person with 3 years experience in the senate running.
    Dean – Obsolete

    There is no-one to save the party but Hillary and Bill Clinton and they know it.

    The Clintons can remake the party as it should be from next year onwards and i think we will see Bill and Hillary take charge from early next year onwards.

  168. moononpluto
    November 16, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    The main difference is Hillary would never have gone head first into Heatlhcare in her first term, she would have focused on the economy and worked on that first. but oh no Bumbles had be an ass.
    ************************************************

    so true,

    when O became Prez after Bush the country was in dire straits…housing, the banks, no jobs, etc…it is still bad, but we were really bleeding badly then…and everyone was screaming…we needs jobs…jobs, jobs, jobs…that is what is was all about…

    …so what did O and the dims do…after O made his behind closed doors deals with insurance and Big Pharma, he then farmed the rest of Ocare out to Pelosi and the Congress and he wonders why he doesn’t know anything about his “signature legislation” …and then lots of things got added and snuck into it that hardly anyone even knows about…medical device taxes, Sebelious and her intense regulations(more wheeling and dealing and fingers in the pie)…etc…the Congress forced it thru, did not take any imput from the repubs…and here we are…

    never a concentrated emphasis on jobs…just lots and lots of more money falling into the black hole of O’s benefactors, like Solyndra, etc

    so full circle…still a need for jobs, mainly low paying service and part time jobs being created…and the cost of living sky rocketing for middle class…and they lose the chosen health care and now may face a penalty or higher cost for health care they did not want but O lied to them and many fell for it…surprise!

    No, Hillary would never have done any of this…a big waste of important time and a Presidential term…

    Hillary is a smart…obvioulsy she is watching everything unfold…she is not going to come back with outdated policies that people do not want…or try to revive something that has failed…

    she will regroup…and if she is as smart as I, we, think she is…she will take the best from each side…both parties…and form a consensus that works for the middle class while finding the way to insure the most needy Americans…she will get rid of the mandate and start negotiating with drug and ins companies…and the hospitals to get the COSTS down…

    emphasis for Hillary’s plan has to be to get ‘health costs down’ not insurance reform…

  169. wbboei, i know how you feel but going forward, The Clintons will need part of the Obama machine to get established and take over the party, thats just the grubby part of it and the best thing would be to use them for now and once she complete control, Hillary can bare her teeth and destroy the lot of them when she no longer needs them. However she must make it known this will not be like 2008 and that she will tear them down if she has too, demand absolute loyalty but certain people will be persona non grata.

    Patty Solis Doyle better pack her bags and leave Washington because that woman is gonna be sent to an oilfield in Alaska when Hillary takes over.

  170. If they are thinking about hiring Messina, then it is because he was an architect of the Obama electoral strategy, and not because he is a Harry Reid man, or a former deputy chief of staff under Zeke’s brother. The risk of doing this however are incalculable and his allegiances will not be to Hillary, regardless of what he tells them. I am not suggesting that this information is not needed. All I am saying is there are safer ways to obtain it.

  171. “The practical question, of course, is when you destroyed the private marketplace,”
    *****
    That was one of the major features of Obamacare, protect the private market and give insurance companies a larger piece of the pie. If a person doesn’t qualify for large subsidies, there is no reason to go to the “exchange”, just sign up with an insurance company. The profit margins are likely to be better than a year ago because they are mandated to include coverage that most people will never use but will pay for. The insurance companies are also backed up by the “risk corridors”, with potentially unlimited dollars since that program isn’t, by law, required to be revenue neutral.

  172. http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/15/report-feds-spent-4-4-billion-on-state-obamacare-exchanges/

    I know I mentioned this before…but, just in case anyone missed this…notice
    millions and billions sent out for “vague” reasons…and recently we have gotten a look at the so called no background check “navigators” … this is such a racket!

    our country is being robbed blind…

    Report: Feds spent $4.4 BILLION on state Obamacare exchanges

    Data compiled and released Friday by the conservative organization Americans for Tax Reform reveals the amount of federal tax dollars funneled to states to implement Obamacare exchanges at $4.4 billion.

    According to ATR, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services distributed the funds to states for a variety of “vague” purposes.

    ATR pulled out grant purposes such as:

    •“[P]reparations to demonstrate operational readiness”
    •“Provide assistance to hire staff and consultants”
    •“Continue and complete current planning and implementation efforts”
    •“Secure staff consultants and expert resources and actively engage stakeholders”
    •“Marketplace IT system design and development costs including IT consultants and privacy and security consultants”

    States that did not end up setting up there own Obamacare exchanges also received money, according to ATR’s research.

    Alabama for example, received $9,772,451 in two grants in 2010 and 2011 one for planning the exchange and the other to “support core staff, contracts, and activities around early implementation of the Alabama Health Insurance Exchange.”

    Many of the states that did end up creating their own exchanges received more money than those that did not.

    ATR’s tax policy director Ryan Ellis told The Daily Caller that it was not clear from CMS’ records what ended up happening to the money provided to states to set up exchanges that in the end decided not establish their own exchange.

    “Presumably, [the funding] was to try to get those states to change their mind at an earlier stage of development,” Ellis wrote in an email.

    In April, The Hill reported that HHS expected to have spent $4.4 billion by the end of the year on grants to state exchanges, more than twice as much as the department expected to spend.

    In May, Sally Pipes, Pacific Research Institute CEO, noted at Forbes that “HHS can’t even account for all the grant money it’s throwing at the states, since the money comes with little or no restrictions, guidelines, or accountability.”

    A CMS official explained to TheDC that states do have the ability to transition between exchange models with their grants and work with CMS to update the grant for the state’s exchange decision. The official added that if the state does not need the grant any more the state would return it. To date, five states have returned grant funding (Oklahoma, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, and Wisconsin).

    “If a state needs to modify their award, CMS works with them in that modification,” the official wrote in an email. ”The state submits a revised work plan, budget, budget narrative, and project narrative to reflect the new exchange model and timeline that the State is pursuing. CMS will evaluate the scope of each state’s proposed projects to determine the allowability and cost reasonableness of each request. CMS conducts a very careful review of the applicant’s proposal, both through the Office of Grant and Acquisition Management (OGAM) and the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight (CCIIO), as well as through an internal review by our subject-matter experts. ”

    See ATR chart:

    State Total Amount
    Alabama $9,772,451
    Alaska Did Not Apply
    Arizona $30,877,097
    Arkansas $54,573,738
    California $910,605,370
    Colorado $178,683,411
    Connecticut $184,096,903
    Delaware $12,936,639
    Florida $1,000,000
    Georgia $1,000,000
    Hawaii $205,342,270
    Idaho $69,395,587
    Illinois $154,813,136
    Indiana $7,895,126
    Iowa $59,683,889
    Kansas $1,000,000
    Kentucky $253,698,351
    Louisana $1,000,000
    Maine $42,469,009
    Maryland $171,013,111
    Massachusetts $179,036,455
    Michigan $41,517,021
    Minnesota $155,020,465
    Mississippi $21,143,618
    Missouri $21,855,716
    Montana $1,000,000
    Nebraska $6,481,838
    Nevada $83,775,083
    New Hampshire $7,267,088
    New Jersey $8,897,316
    New Mexico $52,979,483
    New York $401,633,975
    North Carolina $98,357,315
    North Dakota $1,000,000
    Ohio $1,000,000
    Oklahoma $1,000,000
    Oregon $245,289,375
    Pennsylvania $34,831,212
    Rhode Island $134,719,994
    South Carolina $1,000,000
    South Dakota $6,879,569
    Tennessee $9,110,165
    Texas $1,000,000
    Utah $2,000,000
    Vermont $208,232,414
    Virginia $6,567,803
    Washington 181,392,299
    West Virginia $20,832,828
    Wisconsin $999,873
    Wyoming $800,000
    Washington, D.C. $133,573,928
    Grand Total: $4,419,050,921

    *This story has been updated with comment from CMS.

    **************************************

    I’d like to understand the rhyme and reason to this distribution…for example,

    Rhode Island $134,719,994

    I love RI, but come on now? it is the smallest state in the USA and they got almost $135 MILLION

    …something seriously wrong with this picture

  173. Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
    Declaration of Independence?

    Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before
    they died.

    Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving
    in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.

    Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

    They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred
    honor.

    What kind of men were they?

    Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were
    farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated.

    But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well
    that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

    Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships
    swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties
    to pay his debts, and died in rags.

    Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without
    pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from
    him, and poverty was his reward.

    Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
    Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

    At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted that the British General
    Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and

    Nelson died bankrupt.

    Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed
    his wife, and she died within a few months.

    John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13
    children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

    Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more.

    Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

    They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War.

    We didn’t just fight the British. We were British subjects and we fought our own government! Some of us take our liberties for granted, forgetting they were won by the “militia” against an overbearing central government bent on robbing individuals of basic rights to speech, self-defense, and personal property.

    Be sure to take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday to silently thank these patriots and resolve never to give away the freedoms they died to secure. It’s not too much to ask for the price they paid.

    Remember: freedom is never free.

  174. That was one of the major features of Obamacare, protect the private market and give insurance companies a larger piece of the pie. If a person doesn’t qualify for large subsidies, there is no reason to go to the “exchange”, just sign up with an insurance company. The profit margins are likely to be better than a year ago because they are mandated to include coverage that most people will never use but will pay for. The insurance companies are also backed up by the “risk corridors”, with potentially unlimited dollars since that program isn’t, by law, required to be revenue neutral.
    ———————
    Then you see no way out of this?

    The question then becomes how do we avoid paying for programs we do not want or need?

    How do we buy insurance which is tailored to our individual needs?

    I expect there will be answers forthcoming when the shit hits the fan.

    Because politically, this is not going away.

    Maybe the answer is the political wilderness.

  175. What I mean is, politically, we must repeal the portion of the law that creates the insurance windfall, which is the provision that requires that policies conform to a general standard which forces people to spend money on services they will never need. That provision is the vampire that needs to have a silver stake driven through its malignant heart.

  176. Popcorn….Typical of the self preservation crowd.

    Charlie Rangel Blasts Obama: ‘Saying You’re Sorry Doesn’t Help Me Worth a Damn at the Polls’

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/charlie-rangel-blasts-obama-saying-youre-sorry-doesnt-help-me-worth-a-damn-at-the-polls/

    Democrats are not happy with how the continued Obamacare rollout boxed them into a corner next week, and a few of them are speaking out, including New York’s Charlie Rangel, who’s shown a willingness to publicly criticize President Obama in the past. This time Rangel took on the president for his weak apology for all the problems surrounding the health care law.

    Obama took responsibility for all the problems with the health care law, but he did admit he was unaware with the website’s problems beforehand, because as Obama said, he wouldn’t have been “stupid” enough to talk about how simple online enrollment would have been had he known.

    Rangel wasn’t satisfied by any of Obama’s explanation at all, according to the New York Daily News.

    Still, some Democrats called for making legislative changes in addition to those Obama announced. Democrats said that colleagues vulnerable in next year’s election remained concerned about a backlash from voters.

    “If I had the problem, saying you’re sorry doesn’t help me worth a damn at the polls, unless I can staple your remarks to the ballot,” Rep. Charles Rangel (D-Manhattan) said.

  177. “I am telling you straight. Messina is an Obama mole.”

    *******************************
    I’m inclined to think so too, wbb. And if Warren runs in the Dem primaries, it will be interesting to see who will be running her operation(i.e. other BO operatives?) and underwriting campaign.

  178. wbboei
    November 16, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    …we must repeal the portion of the law that creates the insurance windfall…

    They will howl like banshees. They wanted to kill the individual market which allows tailored coverage and cuts the fat. Next up is employer insurance which they intend to make prohibitively expensive. Democrats view insurance as a perk rather than as a form of pay and thus discriminatory to the un-employed. By driving policies to create unemployment the Obama administration is one of the biggest creators of the uninsured. They are making their own constituencies for which they solve problems and profit from. Rotten business they are in.

  179. …btw..just thinking @ the $$$$ 4.4 BILLION already spent on the exchanges with no accountability and the disaster that the rollout of Ocare has caused and the pain it is causing the middle class…

    why didn’t they just take that $ 4.4 BILLION and work with dims and repubs and allocate it to helping the uninsured instead of throwing the rest of the country into this unnecessary upheaval…and then throwing more $$$ away with the additional MILLIONS spent on defunct website and payouts to tech people that blew it…

    …just saying…couldn’t there have been a much better way…enter Hillary in the future…

  180. Its Ok John, we all know what you are doing, its called sucking up to the woman who may let you keep your job in 2016.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/15/kerrys-advice-on-how-to-marry-women-like-clinton/

    Appearing at Georgetown University on Friday with predecessor Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State John Kerry gave some tips to the men at the school, where former President Bill Clinton also studied.

    “For all the men…who sat in or who sit in classrooms where Bill Clinton sat so many years ago, my advice to you is this: Study hard, go to Oxford, become governor of your state, and then maybe you can marry one of the country’s remarkable Secretaries of State,” he joked.

    Kerry was full of praise for Hillary Clinton after she introduced him at the event, which focused on progress made by women in Afghanistan. Referring to her as “Madam Secretary slash Senator slash First Lady slash everything,” Kerry thanked her for her work in advocating for women and girls.

    Former First Lady Laura Bush was also in attendance. She and Clinton serve as honorary co-chairs of the U.S.-Afghan Women’s Council, and will take part in a public discussion at the Georgetown event.

  181. There is one way I can see to break the back of Obamacare.

    Everybody except the chronically ill needs to refuse to enroll in the exchanges and simply pay the fine.

    That would produce the death spiral which will sink their ship.

    There are risks, of course.

    If you or your dependents become chronically ill you will be on the hook for medical care.

    But short of that, why would anyone who is healthy pay $10,000 per year for coverage he or she will never use because of a $5000 deductive?

    If millions would opt out then you would see the fur fly.

  182. I used to have this argument with a fisherman who owned four seiners in southeast Alaska when I recommended that he buy insurance. My argument was what if worst comes to worst? What if one of your crewman drowns, gets hit in the head with a wynch, falls off the gang plank when he returns to the boat half drunk–where does that leave you as a vessel owner, when maritime law imposes maintenance and cure obligations and you are found guilty of Jones Act negligence by a jury? He would grin and say look I am willing to take that risk, and if something bad happens then I will cross that bridge when we come to it. In the meantime, think of the money I will save. I am not sure a family can afford to look it that way, but millions of individuals will. The Achilles heel of Obamacare is the low fine level. It will go up in succeeding years, but in the interim it will break the back of insurance companies, and Obama, which is the megapolitical goal. And the beauty of it is it is lawful, legitimate, and they are the ones who left the barn door open.

  183. “Everybody except the chronically ill needs to refuse to enroll in the exchanges and simply pay the fine.”
    *******
    Don’t know about business but for the individual there is no tax/fine. All that the IRS can do is confiscate a person’s tax refund; there is no penalty, no enforcement, etc. All that needs to be done is adjust with holding to 0. The other way to screw the system is for the “healthy” to sign up if they get ill; no penalty for “pre-existings”.

  184. Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that an actuary were to calculate the chance that a healthy 30 year old single man or woman would incur medical bills in excess of a $5000 deductible in a given year, under a policy which costs $6000 per year. Factor out the subsidy offset, because those will never see the light of day. I have no idea what the exact number would be, but my surmise is somewhere in the neighborhood of one in ten thousand. In other words, from an actuarial standpoint, buying insurance off the exchange is not just a poor investment, it is waste. This is merely one of a hundred financial risks we take in life, so there is no point in being sentimental.

  185. “When HHS in 2011 invited contractors to bid on the chance to build HealthCare.gov, the department’s “statement of work” did not include requirements typical of many IT contracts in which interested companies must spell out how the system would perform, according to an industry representative close to the project, who was granted anonymity in order to speak frankly. The agreement that CGI Federal, the company chosen as the main contractor, signed on Sept. 30, 2011, also did not contain specific performance criteria, success measures or response times.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/healthcaregov-goal-80-percent-able-to-enroll-for-insurance-through-web-site/2013/11/16/04fa02a2-4e1a-11e3-ac54-aa84301ced81_story.html?hpid=z1

    Who exactly did these contracts? Who in the WH violated every federal contracting law to get their cronies these bottomless pit contracts? Who benefited? Who was paid off and and how? Who spent 3 minutes per month supervising the idiots until after the election? Did they push their cronies on the states who were building their own crap sites? Are any of the state sites anything but glorified Medicaid signup petitions? How much were the states cheated on contracts or were their Democratic buddies in state houses in on the grift? The numbers are going to be astounding just on the website.

    I think it is time for a special prosecutor. He or she should have extensive RICO experience unrolling organized crime. The Republicans in the House need to do this now while the Democrats are on the run.

  186. GOP Website Claims it Fulfilled Pledge to Repeal Obamacare

    by Joel B. Pollak 17 Nov 2013

    According to the official website of the House GOP, the 2010 pledge to “repeal and replace” Obamacare was fulfilled on January 19, 2011. “President Obama’s Job Destroying Health Care Law was repealed by the House of Representatives,” the website boasts, next to a giant green check mark that indicates the job is done.

    Surely the GOP does not think voters are stupid enough to understand the difference between voting to repeal Obamacare and actually repealing it? Surely it would have been better to explain that the Democrats are the reason that pledge had not been fulfilled? Is it any wonder that conservatives distrust Republican leadership?

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