Phony Sorry Obama And The ‘Keep Your Health Plan Act’ H.R. 3350

Now that Barack Obama has told Chuck Todd in an interview he is “sorry” for his lies about ObamaCare not taking away health plans of Americans, a whole lot of questions get teeth to chew on his sorry ass.

The first big question is about the House vote next week on the “Keep Your Health Plan Act” H.R. 3350. Will Obama threaten a veto? Will Obama actually dare veto a bill which he has now set up for successful passage due to his “sorry”? Obama Dimocrats in the U.S. Senate up for reelection next year have said they want to pass a bill to allow Americans to keep the health care plans Obama lied about and is now phony sorry about. Will Obama now be forced to sign a bill into law that will continue the slow asphyxiation of ObamaCare?

Here is the phony “sorry” from a sorry excuse for a human being, not to mention president:



All the Obama Dimocrats in congress up for reelection next year just got a big bomb from Barack Obama. They have denied all along that Obama said what he said and that what he said was a lie and that in either case you had to break millions of eggs to make the poison ObaminationCare omelet. Now that Obama has backtracked and mouthed a phony “sorry” those up for reelection next year better get out their thesaurus of “sorry” too. Recently, in Boston and before an OFA meeting in Texas, Obama tried to revise history by saying he had said something entirely different from what he actually said. Unfortunately for the lying Obama what he really said repeatedly dozens of times could be instantly revisited by the millions losing their health care plans via the miracle of Youtube which forced Big Media to acknowledge reality:

“Recent attempts to explain Obama’s previous line on keeping people’s health care plans fell short of Thursday’s apology.

“If you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed,” Obama said Monday at an event for Organizing for Action, the nonprofit group that works to boost the White House agenda.

In Boston last week, Obama was even less sympathetic, saying that he’d promised that Americans could be grandfathered in to keep “substandard” plans they had when the ACA passed, but that it wasn’t his fault if insurers chose to cancel or change those plans.”

Obama’s phony apology has fallen far short of what is necessary and the Republicans know it:

“Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) wasn’t satisfied with Obama’s answers in the interview Thursday. “If the president is truly sorry for breaking his promises to the American people, he’ll do more than just issue a half-hearted apology on TV,” he said in a statement. “A great place to start would be to support the Sen. [Ron] Johnson bill that would allow Americans to do what the president promised in the first place: keep the plan they have and like.”

What idiot in the White House, or the sweat soaked basements of OFA, thought up this half assed phony apology by Obama? What does this accomplish? O.K. so now we have from Obama: I’d like to apologize for lying to your faces several thousand times about keeping your plan if you liked it. As Conn Carroll writes “I dont get it. Why is Obama apologizing for people losing their insurance? Last week he said they were all junk policies. Was he lying then?Why is Obama apologizing for liberating millions of Americans from what Democrats all swore were scam insurance policies? Why indeed?

It’s not even a real apology anyway so why say it? Obama essentially said ‘I’m sorry my wife is so annoying I had to beat her like Chris beat Rihanna‘. [Yes, we know we are stretching quite a bit here. Everyone knows Michelle does the beating of her flabby hubby.]

If this phony “sorry” was sufficient to quell the uproar over ObaminationCare’s now glaring phoniness and corruption then maybe such a sleazy “sorry” could be understood. But this phony “sorry” is so transparently phony and weakly insufficient it only pulls the rug out from any and all defending Obama on his repeated lies to sell ObaminationCare (and yes, we do mean you too Bill).

Who’s sorry now? Plenty of ObaminationCare defenders are plenty sorry:

“I’m Sorry, Too, Mr. President

Obama apologizes for breaking promise on health care reform.

I’m sorry you campaigned for reelection on the famous false promise: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan. Period.”

I’m sorry your aides debated whether to tell the full truth (that people could keep their insurance only if it hadn’t changed and if it met your standards) and decided instead to institutionalize the lie.

I’m sorry that when Americans recognized the deception you tried to reinvent history: “What we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” No, no, no, no, no—that’s not what you guys said.

I’m sorry you didn’t trust Americans with the truth.

I’m sorry that the Democratic Party’s decades-old chase toward universal health care is now at risk because your law—your legacy, sir—is off to such a miserable start. The online networks don’t work and the people you need bought into the system, particularly young Americans, can’t access the market and now may never trust it … or you.

“I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me,” you told NBC News. “We’ve got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we are going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this.”

Then, work hard, Mr. President, and tell your administration to do the same. Tell them, please, to stop blaming Republicans, insurance companies, and the media—to stop making excuses and shading the truth. You must lead by example (the NBC interview was full of excuses) and create a system of universal health care that is worthy of your promise.

“Ultimately,” you told NBC, “the buck stops with me.” You’re right, sir. Please don’t make us sorry about that.”

Too late now to regret Obama as president. It’s too late for 2014 Obama Dimocrats running for reelection. And candidates for 2016 up and down the ballot better start denouncing ObamaCare now or they will be as viable as the health plans and doctors Barack Obama once assured were safe.

Run away from ObamaCare if you want to live. Run away from Obama too if you want to have an electoral career or be elected to anything in 2014 or 2016. Krauthammer explains:

The president now is toxic. The thing is called Obamacare. There’s no running away from it. It’s got his name on it. You see the president, you think about the policy and you know it’s a disaster. And the problem for the Democrats is, they are hostage to a bunch of geeks working right now late into the night trying to fix a system which is not just the glitches we talked about. The architecture, the underlying structure of it is wrong.

I think the likelihood of it being fixed, working like you would expect from any normal commercial private website normally by December 1 is pretty small. And the pressure on the White House will become irresistible. If it isn’t up and running smoothly and perfectly, they’re going to start with postponements and then the whole thing starts to unravel.”



Obama Dimocrats are “hostage to a bunch of geeks” and a treacherous lying boob in the White House. Elect a treacherous lying boob – expect treacherous lying boobery.

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189 thoughts on “Phony Sorry Obama And The ‘Keep Your Health Plan Act’ H.R. 3350

  1. The latest unearthed Obama video promising Americans who liked their health care plans could keep them. In this video Obama specifically mentions the individual marketplace:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/07/obama-promised-on-sept-26-that-people-in-individual-market-would-keep-their-plans/

    “Obama promised on Sept. 26 that people in individual market would keep their plans

    It was less than a week before Obamacare’s exchanges launched that President Obama gave a speech in Maryland about the benefits of the Affordable Care Act. Using a community college in a friendly county as a backdrop, Obama pushed back against Obamacare critics, charging them with “fear-mongering” and mocking them for “crazy” predictions about the law. [snip]

    The Affordable Care Act is here to stay. (Applause.)

    And so today, I want to speak plainly, clearly, honestly, about what it means for you and for the people you care about.

    Now, let’s start with the fact that even before the Affordable Care Act fully takes effect, about 85 percent of Americans already have health insurance -– either through their job, or through Medicare, or through the individual market. So if you’re one of these folks, it’s reasonable that you might worry whether health care reform is going to create changes that are a problem for you — especially when you’re bombarded with all sorts of fear-mongering.

    So the first thing you need to know is this: If you already have health care, you don’t have to do anything. In fact, for the past few years, since I signed the Affordable Care Act, a lot of you have been enjoying new benefits and protections that you didn’t before even if you didn’t know they were coming from Obamacare. (Applause.)

    At 12:30:

  2. Here is when the shit is really going to hit the fan:

    From the July 19, 2010 IRS Bulletin that described the consequences of the AHC law on the insurance markets:

    “Under this assumption, the Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relin- quish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans, respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively.”

    No wonder Obama delayed the employer mandate; they can dismiss the 14-16 million people on the individual market as insignificant but 80-100 million people who could potentially loose or see significant increases in costs for their employee policies is not insignificant. It is also typical of the fraud to say that it’s only 5% of the population affected. 14-16 million is 12-15% of the total health insurance market and many of the policies purchased on the “individual” marker cover families; so the real number of people affected by lose of coverage is likely much higher than 14-16 million.

    It’s also bullshit that a law needs to be passed to allow people to keep their insurance; the definition of what constituted a grandfathered policy was an HHS/IRS administrative decision not part of the Obamacare law.

  3. No matter how much money is thrown at web designers to try and fix a website that’s design is jimmied to fit Obama’s wishes, it won’t have better results for Obama and his thugs. Even if the site ends up spitting out jumping unicorns while a person tries to fill out the forms for HellCare, it will not change the outrageous prices the user has to pay to get worse healthcare than the average HMO.

    They will not make it affordable to the middle class, the unemployed and the poor, so in the end, fixing the ‘website’ is not the problem.

    Even a cute or pretty website is not going to please the public, it will just make them more angry to have to wait to see what a rip-off it is.

    Tying a ribbon on a turd doesn’t make it smell better.

  4. BRAVA ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOORAH TO ALL HERE THAT NEVER FELL FOR THE GREAT BLACK HYPE THAT IS BUMBLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to those that defended binko to any of us prior to and after his election – WE F*&^ING TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and shout out to you admin for linking that NYTimes presser of Slick Willy 😀 )

    Remember the Bill Maher episode with Debbie loudly claiming that the president never lied? Remember Pelousy on Charlie Rose belittling the GOP for claiming that prezzy lied to the public? Remember the Meet the Press where Axelrod told the panel that the president never lied about people keeping their policies if they liked them? And when they all said that the policies of only 5% of Americans were affected?

    SCREW ALL YOU VERMIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2016

  5. every word so true…the worst is yet to come

    reading some of the comments over at Fournier’s article post above, such as:

    “Obamacare is the Detroit health care plan.”

    **********************************

    caught a snippet about Well Point investing money for tv scripts that promote and push Ocare on the tv shows …Well Point a private insurance company stands to make big, big money from Ocare…

    …oh the tangled web Ocare weaves…

    Fournier may have coughed up some blood, but we need a real, courageous hard core investigative reporter ‘out there’ to tie all the tentacles together to show how Ocare is really going to bleed the American people dry…and how the corruption now and to follow is mindblowing…asking for the impossible, the reporter would probably be putting his life on the line…

    how any honest progressives could remain in denial and not see the truth staring them in the face is beyond me…

  6. The DU kids aren’t having a great night. The One’s health care “apology” if you can call it that, has forced them twist their brains inside out, as they struggle for excuses for their King. Here are just a few responses to the apology:

    This genius apparently doesn’t think it matters about Obama’s lying to the country about losing their health coverage (probably a 22 year old in perfect health, and with a sizable trust fund). Why should Barack have to apologize? Nothing is his fault. But, even if it is, just blame it on Bush.

    ** “Still waiting for Bush and the Republicans to say they are sorry”

    And then we have a dreamer, just floatin’ on the River Denial.

    ** “This thing is going to get fixed and rather quickly… Stories are emerging in msm concerning many ACA success stories…”

    For the last time, people! It was not his fault!! He didn’t know. No one told him. He just needs to have more honest people around him. lmao!

    *** ” I don’t think anybody told him about the problem. Hopefully he will start cleaning house of the incompetent aides and get some people who will be honest with him.”
    ________

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014642434#post2

  7. Shadowfax

    November 7, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    freespirit

    November 8, 2013 at 12:47 am

    ________________________________

    Thank you 🙂 I hope that I posted what most if not all of us were thinking….

    Hillary 2016

  8. While I agree that the “sorry” sounds phony, I also see the reason why there was a misunderstanding on this score, that is, why Obama was saying all along that people could keep their health plans whereas now they are losing them:

    There is indeed nothing in the ACA that requires people to change plans or do anything at all if they have a plan they like.

    The cancelations people are receiving now are actions taken by the insurers, for various reasons of their own, and not due to the law; and, contrary to what SHV claims (10:28 pm), a law is indeed needed so that people can keep their insurance under these conditions, because there is no requirement under Obamacare that insurers have to continue plans that are not to their own (the insurers’) liking.

    I want to thank admin for posting Obama’s entire speech of Sept 26. I listened to the whole thing, and it was a little like listening to Bill Clinton’s nomination speech at the last D convention: an eye- or rather ear-opener.

    In the speech, Obama explicitly stated that there are going to be problems at the outset, as there will be with any new rollout, especially of a thing as big as the ACA.

    Here we are now, actually rejoicing that there are now problems with the rollout – problems that Obama himself had predicted – and jumping at the opportunity to call him a liar when actually he simply did not foresee this particular problem of plan cancelations. So at worst, we should really be calling him an improvident boob, which we have known all along.

    I know I sound hypocritical when I say this – because I am a beneficiary of the world’s best health care plan, at low cost, and am not about to change it or have it canceled – but look, people: We should all cool down a bit, “take it down a notch” (as Jon Stewart implored America), eschew our sarcasms, and look for ways to improve the ACA. What is missing in it? Where does it go too far? Wouldn’t a public option put an end to rising health care costs, put greater pressure on the insurers, and make it possible to negotiate with the drug companies? And so forth.

    This is going to be Hillary’s situation if and when she declares two years from now. Bill and she have already said that, a few years from now, everyone will see the advantages of the ACA and it will go the path of Medicare and Medicaid. So, at worst, in 2015-16, she will be campaigning on ways to improve the ACA, not repealing it.

    In the meantime, we don’t seem to be at all concerned about actually improving the awful healthcare situation in America. All we want to do is to advise the Republicans’ on how to play their political games better. In the Sept 26 speech, Obama has some true and very telling things to say about Republican opposition to the law and that of the Tea Party in particular.

    Last August, several people at this forum made of point of saying that they couldn’t bear to listen to Bill Clinton at the D convention. The idea of Clinton supporting Obama, and Obamacare in particular, was just too painful for them. So, they just closed their eyes and ears.

    I don’t get it: This is just not the way intelligent people think or act.

  9. jeswezey
    November 8, 2013 at 4:46 am
    I don’t get it: This is just not the way intelligent people think or act.

    People react viscerally when they are being lied to.
    People are reacting joyfully to the dismantling of our medical system being SLOWED DOWN so people can see for themselves, in spite of media spin and lying public officials exactly what is being done. A large and crucial part of any con in to get in fast and take the money and get out and declare it over and done. The complete collapse of the money collection system via the website has thrown a huge monkey wrench in the con mechanics. Obama did not predict problems with the website and continued lying after it was obvious it is screwed beyond repair thanks to his crony incompetent contractors.

    The cancellations are specifically required by administrative regulation written by the Obama henchmen to MANDATE insurers to switch anyone in the individual market onto the rigged exchange. It is part of the con. Most people will get much worse insurance for much higher costs. The deductibles are so high it renders it almost worthless. Many states outlawed this type of shit insurance years ago. These are basically catastrophic policies at Cadillac prices. The freebies are stuff people pay for themselves anyway like wellness care which is cheap. The mandates for coverage are things that his voting blocks want such as birth control, maternity, and pediatric dentistry.

    If Obama was sorry about anything regarding policy cancellations all he needs to do is rewrite the Federal Register regulations that his thugs wrote in 2010 to set this in motion. He has no intention of doing so because their goal was to rip people off and PUNISH them for being responsible unlike his voting constituencies. Insurance is protection from risk. Our risks change through out life thus the different markets and types of coverage and deductibles. Obamacare is not insurance. It is a punitive, it is graft, and it is a power grab that he has no intention of relinquishing.

  10. Obama Accused of ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ at International Criminal Court

    According to Egyptian newspaper El Watan, a group of Egyptian lawyers has submitted a complaint charging U.S. president Barrack Hussein Obama with crimes against humanity at the International Criminal Court.

    The complaint charges Obama of being an accessory to the Muslim Brotherhood, which incited widespread violence in Egypt both before and after the June 30 Revolution.

    Along with Obama, the complaint reproduced by El Watan mentions several Brotherhood members by name, beginning with the leader of the organization Muhammad Badie, and other top ranking leaders such as Mohamed al-Beltagy, Essam al-Erian, and Safwat Hegazi, adding that “Obama cooperated, incited, and assisted the armed elements of the Muslim Brotherhood in the commission of crimes against humanity in the period from 3/7/2013-8/18/2013, in the Arab Republic of Egypt.”

    According to the published text, the complaint begins by quoting Article 7/1 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court, titled “Crimes against humanity,” which is reproduced below:

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/raymond-ibrahim/obama-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity-at-international-criminal-court/

  11. Shadowfax November 7, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    “No matter how much money is thrown at web designers to try and fix a website… it will not change the outrageous prices the user has to pay.”

    You’re right, of course: the web designers will not influence prices; but there are other factors that will.

    One such factor is volume, and that cannot be detected yet on the individual market.

    Insurers are currently putting plans on the exchanges with premiums gauged to the individual or family subscriber, showing how much a single subscriber will pay for such and such plan.

    Once you have 50, 100, 1000 subscribers signed up for that plan, though, the insurers can offer a lower premium. It’s like a new model car or any other object on the market. The supplier, not knowing how many people will buy the product, will have to set an initial price tag high enough to cover his costs if the object does not sell well. After the launch of the product, though, when he gets an idea how many products he can sell, he can adjust his price downward.

    This means that the premiums finally charged for each plan will be determined only next year, and that they will be lower than they are now.

    Also, remember that the ACA demands that insurers use 80% of their income for actual healthcare services, and refund any excess income. So, the following year, people will be getting refunds and further premium decreases. Rather than take the premium decrease, people may then opt for a plan with better coverage, and so on, keeping the market fluid.

    Incidentally, I think this 20% (100% – 80%) cap on overhead and profit is far too high. If the system had a public option, the natural overhead cap would be 3-4% like other public systems (Medicare, Medicaid), which would drastically hasten the decrease in premiums market-wide and might even force insurers out of business, leading to a single-payer system. This is one improvement Hillary might propose in 2016.

  12. Thanks admin for another good post; I’m glad to see this episode “memorialized”, for I’m so weary of the totally inexperienced (Bush and Obama) pushing for big overhauls of things they do not understand. I give Obama no leeway on this and I hope it gives him eternal agita.

  13. Crisis management always begins with the principle that you must admit in the blandest terms possible that which you cannot deny, and if you are president, the people will forgive you. The often cited example is Kennedy admitting that the Bay of Pigs fiasco where he said the responsibility resides with me and me alone. The classic book on the subject is entitled Nail-em, and as generalities go, it is valid.

    But let us more from the general to the specific. Obama is different from other holders of that office in that his entire history has been a continuum of lies, nuance and evasion. Up to this point, this strategy has been remarkably effective thanks to a corrupt, complicit big media, the utter destruction of which is, or should be a higher priority for this nation than the defrocking of Messiah Obama. But for them, he would not be where he is now, destroying the country. Until people are ashamed to work for that organization, this nation will continue it slide into oblivion.

    When you have in the witness box someone who is the kind of pathological liar that Mr. Obama is, a recantation of his lie and a half hearted apology to those who were harmed, and in some cases, mortally effected by it, is insufficient. Moreover, it is not the optimal approach for extrication, because the case at bar here is unique. Kennedy’s admission was refreshing because it was an act of character. Obama’s is not because he has a history of bad character, it was repeated 28 times, and it had an impact upon an election. It is read my lips–no new taxes on steroids.

    In this situation, he received bad advice. It is the problem which arises every time high paid advisers rely on boiler plate solutions to specific problems, which fail to take account of the background at history surrounding what might be most charitably referred to as a mistake. A day or so before he apologized he was still clinging the the notion that it was not a lie, rather he simply was not clear on what he said–on twenty eight separate occasions. Now he has moved from the land of denial to the land of lie. Frantic to save its own skin, big media will hang him out to dry. If I had my druthers they would follow him down the rat hole. Why? Because, they are every bit as responsible as he is.

  14. I misstated the most important point. I must learn to proof read.

    The critical statement is in the last paragraph: he (Obama) has moved (with jarring abruptness) from the land of denial to the land of equivocation to the land of admission, within a time frame of 48 hours.

    Messiahs of course are capable of such acrobatics. Also, they have been known to walk on water and fly. Therefore, his transmorgification is hardly surprising.

  15. Mormaer November 8, 2013 at 5:15 am

    Thanks for your reaction.

    “People react viscerally when they are being lied to.”

    I guess I’m not one of the people, then, or maybe it’s just the recent surgery on my viscera that has made it impossible for me to react this way.

    It has been decades since I took the government’s word on anything. I always assume the government’s lying. On the day of 9/11, for example, I knew immediately that the “terrorist” line was a hoax and that Bush, Guiliani & Co. were pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. Did you or anyone in America react viscerally against that lie? The gut reaction, on the contrary, was to believe the lie and go to war.

    Furthermore, your remark ignores one of the points I was making, which was that Obama was not lying but rather just being his usual thoughtless self, a boob.

    “People are reacting joyfully to the dismantling of our medical system being SLOWED DOWN so people can see for themselves, in spite of media spin and lying public officials exactly what is being done.”

    Again, I guess I’m not one of the people. Anyway, if indeed our “medical system” (do we have one?) is being dismantled, this process is not being slowed down but just postponed a few weeks, and should not necessarily be stopped, because the medical system as it stands now is in bad need of a change.

    “The complete collapse of the money collection system via the website has thrown a huge monkey wrench in the con mechanics. Obama did not predict problems with the website and continued lying after it was obvious it is screwed beyond repair thanks to his crony incompetent contractors.”

    Obama did predict problems with the website. Listen to the speech admin posted.

    Anyway, I don’t see the con mechanism at all. Assuming the website problems are as easy to fix as I know they are, it presents people with a clear set of choices and premiums, and of course tells them who you are paying the premiums to. People who find the prices high will be relieved later on – next year and the year thereafter, as I explained to Shadowfax at 6:09 am.

    And people whose policies are currently being canceled will be saved too if adequate legislation is passed.

    “The cancellations are specifically required by administrative regulation written by the Obama henchmen to MANDATE insurers to switch anyone in the individual market onto the rigged exchange. It is part of the con.”

    I don’t understand what you’re saying, but maybe you’re right. I’ll have to wait and see – again, adequate legislation would reverse the situation.

    “Most people will get much worse insurance for much higher costs.”

    You’re making a prediction based on what facts? A few stray testimonies from people around the country are not good enough for me.

    “The deductibles are so high it renders it almost worthless.”

    I fully agree with you here. Deductibles should have been banned outright in the ACA.

    Or maybe I don’t understand what “deductibles” are. Several times, I’ve asked the forum to clarify what “deductibles” means because I don’t have any in my plan. Everything is covered, no matter how small the cost. So I would appreciate it if you or someone else here defined what is meant by “deductibles”. (“Co-pays” I understand.)

    At any event, this is another tweek Hillary could suggest in 2016: ban deductibles.

    “Many states outlawed this type of shit insurance years ago.”

    And the ACA re-institutes them?

    “These are basically catastrophic policies at Cadillac prices.”

    Dunno what you mean.

    “The freebies are stuff people pay for themselves anyway like wellness care which is cheap.”

    So what?

    “The mandates for coverage are things that his voting blocks want such as birth control, maternity, and pediatric dentistry.”

    OK, I think I see what you’re driving at here: A childless couple in their fifties should not have to pay for this type of stuff. Does the ACA require them to? If so, that would be another change to be made to the ACA.

    “If Obama was sorry about anything regarding policy cancellations all he needs to do is rewrite the Federal Register regulations that his thugs wrote in 2010 to set this in motion. He has no intention of doing so because their goal was to rip people off and PUNISH them for being responsible unlike his voting constituencies.”

    OK, so maybe he will have his thugs do this now that he’s apologized. If not, adequate legislation would still do the trick.

    “Insurance is protection from risk. Our risks change throughout life thus the different markets and types of coverage and deductibles.”

    OK, OK, but I still don’t see why you accept deductibles at all…

    “Obamacare is not insurance. It is a punitive, it is graft, and it is a power grab that he has no intention of relinquishing.”

    Obamacare is not insurance, no, the insurance is left up to private companies. That is just my point about the public option: If there were a public option, then the ACA would be insurance.

    There is a punishment for not subscribing insurance; but uninsured people (except the wealthy) put off the cost of their healthcare onto the rest of us when they fall ill or get into an accident. There’s got to be some kind of incentive to sign up, or disincentive for not signing up.

    Graft? Power grab? I don’t see that, dunno know what you’re talking about.

  16. Thanks admin for another good post; I’m glad to see this episode “memorialized”, for I’m so weary of the totally inexperienced (Bush and Obama) pushing for big overhauls of things they do not understand. I give Obama no leeway on this and I hope it gives him eternal agita.
    —————
    Most politicians are not problem solvers. They are pitch men for lobbyists who are pitch men for business interests who see future profit in promoting certain policies, with support from political supporters who are ignorant of the harm those policies inflict. My godfather, who was a player in the Democratic Party in Washington during the post war era was fond of saying this: an honest politician is one who stays bought. Obviously, there have been exceptions, just as there have been politicos who rose to prominence under the system, played ball with it, and once they had acquired the top position, they began doing the work of the people. It is always surprising when that happens, because the entire system, most of all big media is rigged against it. Seeing what I have seen throughout my life, and particularly in these past five years, I am compelled to say that party labels are street theater, and the real battle here is between the Washington elites and the American People. I doubt very much that either party can break out of that destructive pattern wherein the parasite slowly consumes the host, and represent those they took an oath to represent. This realization compels me to say that the only answer is a third party, mindful of the risks that entails.

  17. party labels are street theater, and the real battle here is between the Washington elites and the American People.
    ———————-
    For the party faithful, the above statement will not ring true. They will point to things like governing philosophy, party platform, governing coalitions, etc. and say the two parties are as different as night and day.

    If you accept that premise however you will be hard pressed to explain the continuity phenomenon which exists from one administration to the next, wherein campaign promises yield to inertial forces as we see with our policy of continuing war, and the fact that Obamacare, which is uniformly opposed by the Republican Party was first suggested by them as a counter proposal to Hillary care, the only difference being that when they proposed it, the pharmaseutical companies were contributing to them, whereas now they contribute to Obama, which leads to the ineluctable conclusion that their opposition to it is ground more in principal than in principle.

    Professor Sheldon Wollin who has given us the concepts of inverted totalitarianism and managed democracy as a way to view our political system, argues that whereas in the past, the people were supposed to let the elites manage the show, the Viet Nam war caused many of them to question this approach and augered in favor of an energized attentive electorate. However, during the intervening years, the American People have pulled back, for reasons which are understood only vaguely, if at all. Part of the answer may lie in the realm that Snowden has revealed and which Bob Woodward alluded to in that interview with Andrea Mitchell–as equivalent to the Manhattan Project.

  18. The Bad Apple President

    Turn on your television. Keep flipping the channels past the infomercials, the reality shows and the music videos and you’ll hear it.

    The problem only affects a small (millions large) sliver of the population. The plans being cancelled were substandard. Health plans aren’t lost; they’re transitioning to new health opportunities. The private marketplace was an unregulated Wild, Wild West where villainous deductibles went around with guns blazing through the office of the town sawbones.

    The insurers decided to cancel the plans for reasons having nothing to do with the government. These were “bad apple plans” that the insurers didn’t even want to sell anymore. They couldn’t sell the plans anymore because they had changed too much. (Such as increasing the co-pay by 5 bucks.)

    Leave the television on CNN, MSNBC or your local news and between weather and sports, you’ll hear these lies peddled by Obama, his advisors and assorted Democratic Party figures reciting the same talking points about the Wild, Wild West where Bad Apple plans roamed the frontier

    And every word of it is a lie.

    More @
    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-bad-apple-president/

  19. “People react viscerally when they are being lied to.”

    I guess I’m not one of the people, then, or maybe it’s just the recent surgery on my viscera that has made it impossible for me to react this way.

    It has been decades since I took the government’s word on anything. I always assume the government’s lying. On the day of 9/11, for example, I knew immediately that the “terrorist” line was a hoax and that Bush, Guiliani & Co. were pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. Did you or anyone in America react viscerally against that lie? The gut reaction, on the contrary, was to believe the lie and go to war.

    ——————
    The lies Obama told about health care have a direct, adverse impact upon millions of individuals. He promised that they could keep their policy, keep their doctor, their premiums would go down and that everyone would be ensured. And he won two elections based on that promise. None of that is true. And he said these things repeatedly. But the website failure was the catalyst for this discussion. You never have a second chance to make a good impression, and when that happened the stage was set for a more critical examination of the policy. The discussion has moved from intentions–the favorite defense of every bad idea, to impact–where the rubber meets the road. Part of the problem here too is Obama himself, as alluded to above. Like a fly caught in a spider web, the more he struggles to explain the more he entraps himself. His advisers, including our friend Lanny, are doing him no favors right now. Good.

  20. jeswezey
    November 8, 2013 at 7:21 am

    I know you like the French medical system, and many would agree with you on that point. But I do not know how we can replicate that system here. On these shores the counter example is the Post Office. In these situations, the devil is in the detail and the bridge must be capable of supporting the transition, whereas here it is not. Furthermore, Obamacare is not a single payer system. On the contrary, it was initiated by the insurance companies as a defense to a single payer system. As such, it is highly unlikely that it will provide the bridge those who support single payer would want. The most likely outcome of what we are seeing now is a massive degradation in health care for the American People. China pays for our misadventures in the middle east. The American People pay for the degradation of our health care system out of their own pockets. This is a very personal thing and that is why it resonates. If it did not, big media would be defending his lies, like they always so, whereas here, they risk losing whatever credibility they still have if the cover for this lie.

  21. Leanora November 8, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Turn on your television. Keep flipping the channels past the infomercials, the reality shows and the music videos and you’ll hear it….

    Sorry, no can do. No TV, and no TV for 41 years now. That may be why I don’t have a “visceral” reaction to lies. Or it may just be that I stopped believing the government – and the press – a very long time ago and don’t really care anymore what they say.

  22. wbboei November 8, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Concerning single payer, first of all, that is not exactly what the French system is. This system has several insurance entities – one for workers, another for independently employed, yet another for managers and executives, and several other “mutuals” that are voluntary, to pay the individual’s share of a co-pay. All of these entities operate the same way and have the same premium structure, so I don’t know why the French didn’t just meld them all into one single-payer system – I guess it’s just their love of complexity or maybe they don’t want to tamper with a system that works so well.

    Secondly, if we had adopted Hillary’s American Health Choices Plan with its public option, the plan would have evolved into a quasi-single-payer system like the French one in the course of five or ten years because of this public option. If you think about the long-term effect of an efficient public option, you can see that the private systems could not compete with it and the current 1600 insurers in the US would soon be whittled down by merger/acquisition to a half-dozen specialized systems such as the French mutuals, or a special insurer for dental care, optics, emergency care etc. The bridge to single-payer you are looking for is the public option.

    To return the ball to your court: I’ve asked several times – and the first time it was to you – what is meant by “deductibles”, because if you have deductibles of 5 K, for example, then your health insurance is practically worthless (as Mormaer said above, and I agree) since so many claims come to less than 5 K.

    The way I see it, the solution to this is simple: ban deductibles.

  23. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-rhetoric-vs-reality/2013/11/07/48e75002-47ec-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html

    Having denied the obvious deception, the president proceeds to say that, well, anyway, you’ll be better off under the plan my health-care experts have imposed on you.

    But many of those getting notices will find this equally untrue: Their new plan is likely to carry a higher premium and a bigger deductible and to cut them off from their current doctor.

    Does Obama really think that recipients of those notices — millions of them — won’t notice that? Even the mainstream media have featured dozens of interviews of people tossed off plans they like — only to be offered expensive, less attractive Obama-mandated alternatives.

    Obamacare proponents who live in the real world might admit that they intended to cancel people’s individual plans all along because kicking people off individual policies is at the heart of populating the health exchanges. You must cancel the good, less frilly plans because forcing these people into more expensive plans (that they don’t need) produces the inflated rates that subsidize the health care of others.

    The more honest Obamacare advocates are, in effect, admitting that to make this omelet you have to break 8 million eggs — roughly the number of people with individual plans who are expected to lose them. Obama, however, goes on as if he can conjure omelets out of thin air.

  24. The cancellations are specifically required by administrative regulation written by the Obama henchmen to MANDATE insurers to switch anyone in the individual market onto the rigged exchange. It is part of the con. Most people will get much worse insurance for much higher costs. The deductibles are so high it renders it almost worthless. Many states outlawed this type of shit insurance years ago. These are basically catastrophic policies at Cadillac prices. The freebies are stuff people pay for themselves anyway like wellness care which is cheap. The mandates for coverage are things that his voting blocks want such as birth control, maternity, and pediatric dentistry.
    ——————
    That is the bottom line. And now that this is coming to light, Mr. Obama and his insurance industry co-conspirators are doing what crooks always do in these situations, after they have resolved the prisoners dilemma: blame the other in exchange for a lighter sentence. The next move after that fails is to undergo a religious conversion, and begin preaching the gospel. Obama will be good at that. After all, he learned that gig from the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

  25. jeswezey
    November 8, 2013 at 8:24 am
    Leanora November 8, 2013 at 7:50 am
    Turn on your television. Keep flipping the channels past the infomercials, the reality shows and the music videos and you’ll hear it….

    Sorry, no can do. No TV, and no TV for 41 years now. That may be why I don’t have a “visceral” reaction to lies. Or it may just be that I stopped believing the government – and the press – a very long time ago and don’t really care anymore what they say.

    ==

    Really? Good for you! I think that’s a great idea. There’s really nothing but crap on the tube lately anyway.

  26. These are basically catastrophic policies at Cadillac prices. The freebies are stuff people pay for themselves anyway like wellness care which is cheap. The mandates for coverage are things that his voting blocks want such as birth control, maternity, and pediatric dentistry.
    ————————–
    However, there is contrary evidence. Namely, the sworn testimony of that fearless leader from New Jersey, Congressman Pallone. One look at those eyes, the slurred speak and the endless repetition of the word “lousy” to describe existing policies, would compel him to be drug tested before you ever let him take a vehicle out on the road. Even in Congress it is rare to see such a conspicuous example of incompetence, misfeasance and malfeasance. At the same time, he commends as excellent the kind of policies described above–Cadillac princes for Nash Rambler coverages, with perks to loud boistrous coalitions looking to have taxpayers pay their freight. It is beautiful. If only the Republican Party represented a credible alternative. So long as RINOS and the consultant class run the party, it is a distinction without a difference.

  27. Oliar said “uha” 4 times in the 19 seconds of his sorry video. People are not just losing their healthcare plans, they are losing their health and even their lives. So the rich get richer and O fills his coffers. It is evil greed and corruption on the grandest scale.

  28. To return the ball to your court: I’ve asked several times – and the first time it was to you – what is meant by “deductibles”, because if you have deductibles of 5 K, for example, then your health insurance is practically worthless (as Mormaer said above, and I agree) since so many claims come to less than 5 K.

    The way I see it, the solution to this is simple: ban deductibles
    ——————–
    Early in my career, I was a risk manager, and I had a bullshit degree in it as well. From that experience I can say with relative certainty that reasonable deductibles are appropriate, for two reasons: first, they act as an incentive for responsible behavior (as do co-pays). Without them, medical services tend to be over utilized and society as a whole pays the cost. Secondly, there is a normal level of utilization, which is sometimes referred to as the burn layer, that will be expended in any event. If you put that cost through the insurance prism, then you will end up paying administrative costs (12-15%) and other costs, which will lead to a higher premium. The challenge in any risk management scheme, then, is to set the deductibles at the right level. Today, they tend to be too high. In my case, there were at 3k and I have never come close to them in terms of dollars spent. Nor have I penetrated the insurance layer above the deductible. Finally, those deductibles will be going up to $5000 and the cost will be 40% higher. And then of course, by offering the most desirable group from an actuarial standpoint a cost effective alternative to opt out you have created the problem of adverse selection which will be the death knell of Obamacare. If I delivered that kind of program to a company as a risk manager, there would be just cause for discharge.

  29. Major hospitals all across the country not included under new insurance plans

    Another Obamacare surprise

    As if the millions of Americans set to lose their existing health insurance coverage as a result of Obamacare was not bad enough, a recent survey by Watchdog.org has found that many top hospitals across the nation will no longer be accessible to the average person with a new “eligible” plan. In fact, many major hospitals are being excluded from Obamacare coverage altogether, which means that millions of previously covered individuals will have to settle for subpar care at other “in-network” facilities.

    Based on the results of the survey, most of the nation’s top hospitals, including renowned facilities like Case Medical Center in Cleveland, Ohio, will only be accepting insurance from one or two companies included as part of Obamacare. This means that all the other insurance plans offered on the Obamacare exchanges will be ineligible, and many patients will be required to go to other facilities, even if their previous insurance plans were accepted by these same hospitals.

    “Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered under their personal policies,” explains U.S. News & World Report about the report’s findings. “Most of the top hospitals will accept insurance from just one or two companies operating under Obamacare.”

    Included in the survey were 18 revered medical centers across the country, as ranked by U.S. News for 2013-2014. Investigators contacted each of these hospitals to inquire about their contracts with insurance companies, how plans would be handled under Obamacare and who would be covered. They found that almost every hospital would not be accepting the vast majority of insurance plans offered under Obamacare, because the carriers are considered “out of network.”

    “This doesn’t surprise me,” Gail Wilensky, a Medicare advisor for the second Bush administration and senior fellow for Project HOPE, is quoted as saying to U.S. News. “There has been an incredible amount of focus on the premium cost and subsidy, and precious little focus on what you get for your money.”

    Obamacare exchanges fail to explain which hospitals are included as ‘in-network’

    More @
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/another-obamacare-surprise-major-hospitals-all-across-the-country-not-included-under-new-insurance-plans.html

  30. The misinformation that ObamaCare did not cause dropped health plans must be countered. ObamaCare is the cause of the dropped health plans:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

    Obama administration knew that Obamacare would disrupt private plans

    If you read the Affordable Care Act when it was passed, you knew that it was dishonest for President Obama to claim that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan,” as he did—and continues to do—on countless occasions. And we now know that the administration knew this all along. It turns out that in an obscure report buried in a June 2010 edition of the Federal Register, administration officials predicted massive disruption of the private insurance market. [snip]

    Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

    “The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

    Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and become illegal, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

    How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

    Will these canceled plans be replaced with better coverage?

    President Obama’s famous promise that “you could keep your plan” was not some naïve error or accident. He, and his allies, knew that previous Democratic attempts at health reform had failed because Americans were happy with the coverage they had, and opposed efforts to change the existing system.

    Now, supporters of the law are offering a different argument. “We didn’t really mean it when we said you could keep your plan,” they say, “but it doesn’t matter, because the coverage you’re going to get under Obamacare will be better than the coverage you had before.

    But that’s not true. Obamacare forces insurers to offer services that most Americans don’t need, don’t want, and won’t use, for a higher price. Bob Laszewski, in a revealing blog post, wrote about the cancellation of his own health coverage. “Right now,” he wrote, “I have ‘Cadillac’ health insurance. I can access every provider in the national Blue Cross network—about every doc and hospital in America—without a referral and without higher deductibles and co-pays.”

    But his plan is being canceled. His new, Obamacare-compatible plan has a $500 higher deductible, and a narrower physician and hospital network that restricts out-of-town providers. And yet it costs 66 percent more than his current plan. “Mr. President,” he writes, “I really like my health plan and I would like to keep it. Can you help me out here?” [snip]

    UPDATE 2: In a front-page story, the Wall Street Journal confirms that Obama policy advisers always knew that the “like your plan” promise wasn’t honest, but that the President’s political aides insisted on the categorical promise, because a more accurate statement would have imperiled the passage of the law:

    The former official added that in the midst of a hard-fought political debate “if you like your plan, you can probably keep it” isn’t a salable point.

    The breadth of Mr. Obama’s statement proved to be a miscalculation. Mr. Obama repeated the claim, with only occasional caveats, through this week, when a flurry of cancellation notices from insurers to customers around the country prompted him to recalibrate.

    One of Mickey Kaus’ commenters notes that it’s not just that Obama failed to keep his promise–it’s that Obamacare’s policy success requires the disruption of current plans:

    “This is very disturbing…The problem is not simply that he said one thing and then did the opposite, but rather that he knew when saying it the first times that the more young people kept their existing insurance coverage the harder it would be to control the costs of the increased coverage for older and more at-risk people under the new law. Thus he knew that the more he kept his promise the more trouble he could be in. And therefore it has to be said that he knew when he was promising that he would do his damndest to break the promise. He knew not only that it was not going to be true but also that he would be the chief actor in its not being true. This deserves not four Pinocchios, but eight, or fifteen, or fifty.”

    When a mugger demands you empty your pockets and give him the cash therein, technically he can say that he did not take the money from your pockets.

  31. “What we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” No, no, no, no, no—that’s not what you guys said.
    __________________

    Amen. 🙁

  32. This is simply not true:

    There is indeed nothing in the ACA that requires people to change plans or do anything at all if they have a plan they like.

    The cancelations people are receiving now are actions taken by the insurers, for various reasons of their own, and not due to the law…

    Here’s why, the facts declare that to be a lie:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?hpid=z2

    “Meanwhile, in the Republican weekly address on Aug. 24, 2009, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), a doctor, made this point: “On the stump, the president regularly tells Americans that ‘if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.’  But if you read the bill, that just isn’t so.  For starters, within five years, every health-care plan will have to meet a new federal definition for coverage — one that your current plan might not match, even if you like it.”

    One might excuse the president for making an aspirational pledge as the health-care bill was being drafted, but it turns out he kept saying it after the bill was signed into law. By that point, there should have been no question about the potential impact of the law on insurance plans, especially in the individual market.

    As we have noted, a key part of the law is forcing insurers to offer an “essential health benefits” package, providing coverage in 10 categories. The list includes: ambulatory patient services; emergency services; hospitalization; maternity and newborn care; mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

    For some plans, this would be a big change. In 2011, the Department of Health and Human Services noted: “62 percent of enrollees do not have coverage for maternity services; 34 percent of enrollees do not have coverage for substance abuse services; 18 percent of enrollees do not have coverage for mental health services; 9 percent of enrollees do not have coverage for prescription drugs.”

    The law did allow “grandfathered” plans — for people who had obtained their insurance before the law was signed on March 23, 2010 — to escape this requirement and some other aspects of the law. But the regulations written by HHS while implementing the law set some tough guidelines, so that if an insurance company makes changes to a plan’s benefits or how much members pay through premiums, co-pays or deductibles, then a person’s plan likely loses that status.

    If you dig into the regulations (go to page 34560), you will see that HHS wrote them extremely tight. One provision says that if co-payment increases by more than $5, plus medical cost of inflation, then the plan can no longer be grandfathered. (With last year’s inflation rate of 4 percent, that means the co-pay could not increase by more than $5.20.) Another provision says the co-insurance rate could not be increased at all above the level it was on March 23, 2010.

    While one might applaud an effort to rid the country of inadequate insurance, the net effect is that over time, the plans would no longer meet the many tests for staying grandfathered. Already, the percentage of people who get coverage from their job via a grandfathered plan has dropped from 56 percent in 2011 to 36 percent in 2013.

    In the individual insurance market, few plans were expected to meet the “grandfathered” requirements, which is why many people are now receiving notices that their old plan is terminated and they need to sign up for different coverage. Again, this should be no surprise. As HHS noted in a footnote of a report earlier this year: “We note that, as the Affordable Care Act is implemented, we expect grandfathered coverage to diminish, particularly in the individual market.”

    Indeed, at least six states — Virginia, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Wyoming and Kansas — require insurance companies to cancel existing policies, rather than amend them, if the grandfathered coverage lapses.

    Now, it’s important to note that many people — perhaps a large majority — are receiving notices that they have lost their insurance plan because they were never grandfathered in the first place. In other words, they got a plan after the bill was signed into law back in 2010. If that’s the case, they have no option but to accept the more comprehensive insurance mandated by the law.

    Still, it’s worth remembering that insurance companies pressed throughout the health-care debate to allow people to keep the policy they had effective at the end of 2013.  The consequences of the unusual March 23, 2010, cut-off date are now being felt. HHS, when it drafted the interim rules, estimated that between 40 and 67 percent of policies in the individual market are in effect for less than one year. “These estimates assume that the policies that terminate are replaced by new individual policies, and that these new policies are not, by definition, grandfathered,” the rules noted. (See page 34553.)

    [snip]

    But such assertions do not really explain the president’s promise — or Jarrett’s tweet. There may be a certain percentage of people who were happy with their “substandard” plan, presumably because it cost relatively little. And while Jarrett claimed that “nothing” in the law is forcing people out of their plans “unless insurance companies change plans,” she is describing rules written by the president’s aides that were designed to make it difficult for plans to remain grandfathered for very long.

    As the HHS footnote mentioned above stated: “We note that, as the Affordable Care Act is implemented, we expect grandfathered coverage to diminish, particularly in the individual market.

    The Pinocchio Test

    The administration is defending this pledge with a rather slim reed — that there is nothing in the law that makes insurance companies force people out of plans they were enrolled in before the law passed. That explanation conveniently ignores the regulations written by the administration to implement the law. Moreover, it also ignores the fact that the purpose of the law was to bolster coverage and mandate a robust set of benefits, whether someone wanted to pay for it or not.

    The president’s statements were sweeping and unequivocal — and made both before and after the bill became law. The White House now cites technicalities to avoid admitting that he went too far in his repeated pledge, which, after all, is one of the most famous statements of his presidency.

    The president’s promise apparently came with a very large caveat: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan — if we deem it to be adequate.”

    It was a premeditated lie. More than a lie it was a fraud. A fake. It was a fraud designed to pass a bill that would otherwise not come close to passing.

  33. Sorry, no can do. No TV, and no TV for 41 years now.
    ————————–
    Me too.

    I have been television free since 2009.

    I have experienced no withdrawal symptoms.

    It is better than an AA pledge.

    41 years is more impressive.

  34. The left has abandoned the doctrines of doctor king, and embraced the doctrine of critical race theory. It has imposed that doctrine by force on public and private institutions in this society. Even a baseless charge of racism has a chilling effect on discussion, and is grounds to exile the hapless victim to the nether regions. Mindful of all this, and not wishing to offend anyone, let me offer this assessment of the political prospects of Messiah Obama:

    If he was NOT (half) black, he would be lynched for what he is doing to our health care system.

    (Note: is this not the obvious corollary to the tag line of big media that all those who criticize him are racist, and that the people who do so cannot stand to see a black man in the White House. So deal with that one CNN, you who comb the planet in search of racists. It may be that you and your ilk are the greatest racists of all. Why? Because false charges of racism are the last bastion of scoundrels, and they do not constitute an affirmative defense to incompetence, or moral failure. Not any more.)

  35. wbboei

    November 8, 2013 at 9:51 am

    _________________________________

    Quick add to your deductibles reason for being. All businesses need cash at the point of sale. When it comes to clinics and/or diagnostic facilities, those services pay for everyday items needed in the office/facility and it serves as a bridge for the facility to survive on until insurance is filed and recouped.

    Also, enough cannot be said about the prevention of over-utilization by patients. I worked for a doctor in Kansas that accepted Medicaid patients where there is a $1 copay for office visits. The only way this was not abused was by limiting the number of visits per year to 12. That system does not exist in the private sector almost mandating a higher deductible for office visits. Side note – both groups treated their financial or plan-imposed limits with respect the entire time I worked at that office. We never had problems collecting the upfront or copay.

    Kudos wbb on a very complete definition of the need for the copay/deductible in terms of insurance. It is very specific topic that doesn’t get explained well by a lot of insurance people.

    Hillary 2016

  36. Leanora

    November 8, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Major hospitals all across the country not included under new insurance plans

    _______________________________________

    Great find Lenora and something that isn’t receiving NEARLY enough attention. With the loss of doctors from this insurance scheme coupled with the hospitals that are leaving the many networks offered by the insurance companies, the QUALITY of care as well as the ACCESS will go south in a hurry. Think about it in these terms, there might only be 1 or 2 hospitals in an area that can provide a specific treatment at the highest level, e.g. the Texas Children’s Hospital here in H-town. Under the wrong policy, a child might not be able to receive treatment there without a huge out-of-network penalty that a middle class family may not be able to afford. That might leave that family with the choice of a hospital that does not specialize in the care of children and may not have the equipment necessary to provide the highest quality of care.

    Great eye Lenora.

    Hillary 2016

  37. Lynn Sweet slowly walking back to reality from the land of the Hopium dens:

    http://www.suntimes.com/23607315-761/sweet-obama-tries-to-empathize-over-health-insurance-cancellations-but-is-that-the-best-hes.html

    “Meanwhile, the website selling health insurance under Obamacare in Illinois and other states — Healthcare.gov — is still not fully functional and never has been since the Oct. 1 launch.

    A remarkable feature of Todd’s interview with Obama — whose hair is noticeably grayer — is the president’s inability to sincerely express empathy. I know he tried, but is that the best he’s got? Given that people are freaking out when they get a notice their policies are being dropped — a horrible, frustrating life experience. [snip]

    Obama said variations of the “if you like your plan, you can keep it,” at least 34 times “in some form,” according to Politifact. “But that is literally not true for hundreds of thousands and likely millions of people,” Politifact concluded.

    “I mean, we’re talking about 5 percent of the population,” Obama told Todd.

    “But — but that’s — a significant number of people. Even though a whole lot of them are going to be better off. There’s going to be a segment who — you know, I’ve ultimately got to make sure that — you know, I’m speaking to their needs and their concerns. And, you know — I take that very seriously, because I want everybody out there to know that, you know, my entire intention here is to make sure that — people have the security of affordable health care,” he said.

    The 5 percent reference is about folks who bought individual policies after the law became effective in 2010. Under the new law kicking in now, if those policies don’t pass federal muster, insurance companies must stopping selling them.

    What the administration never appreciated was that people get new plans all the time — but they hardly noticed because it seemed more like an automatic renewal, albeit often with higher costs. A cancellation letter gets your attention.

    The Obama team has been relying on legalistic technicalities in keeping the misleading language in his remarks.

    Obama kept using that 5 percent figure in his interview with Todd in an attempt to put the situation in perspective. But if you are one of the 5 percent and are angry and feel duped — I don’t blame you. You are entitled to your story.

    Democratic lawmakers who have been defending Obamacare for years are fuming at the botched Healthcare.gov and now have to deal with the uproar over the cancellations.

    Obama and Vice President Joe Biden met Wednesday at the White House for 90 minutes with the Democratic senators up in 2014 — including Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. — to address their concerns.

    The Senate Democrats are Obama’s front line in what is now a more intense House and Senate GOP push to delay the mandate for everyone to buy insurance or pay a penalty. There are breaks in the Democratic ranks. Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., on Thursday introduced a bill with Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va, to delay the mandate a year.

  38. Jeswezey, first let me say that your fund of knowledge, if accurate, on Obamacare, specifically, and insurance, generally, is impressive.

    Secondly, I will absolutely plead guilty to the following comment from you:

    “Here we are now, actually rejoicing that there are now problems with the rollout – problems that Obama himself had predicted – and jumping at the opportunity to call him a liar when actually he simply did not foresee this particular problem of plan cancelations. So at worst, we should really be calling him an improvident boob, which we have known all along.”

    1. Obama did not predict the mangled mess that is currently occurring with the website.

    2. You’re right, government does lie to us – but never before has media been so complicit if facilitating the basic dishonesty and extensive lies of a presidential administration. This fact alone, is cause to distrust any program Obama constructs. Additionally, the covering and apologizing for Obama engaged in by MSM on a grand scale has been so destructive , having both Obama and media exposed for the bamboozlers they are will hopefully discourage this in the future.

    3. Obama’s presidency was illegitimate to begin with, because of the manner in which he was selected. Call me a vengeful bitch, if you want, but I’m damn glad to see him and the Democratic cronies who selected him fall flat on their faces. 2008 was not a small deal – even to seasoned political junkies. J’wezy, you know the score – the sexism that he and the media participated in, the insulting remarks to and about Hillary supporters. Hell, Hillary supporters reported being the targets of death threats, arson, destruction of property, you name it.

    Too much destruction has been wrought by Obama and his people, both during the 2008 primary and during both terms of office to allow those of us who know what happened to trust or accept that anything this administration enacts is even intended to help America, or capable of doing so.

    3. The manner in which Obamacare was passed, and shoved down the throats of congress and of this country, forever delegitimized it. No president or member of congress in history has been allowed to demand that a bill of this size and scope be passed based solely on the word of the author that it was a good bill. When questions were asked – people were attacked by the Obama machine. How dare we question him? He was the first half-black president, and anyone who dared disagree was racist.

    Anyone who does not understand why there is “celebration”- that finally there is some public validation of the fact that Obama is a liar, need only read through the archives of this blog. There are many well-documented examples of the unscrupulousness of Barack Obama. Repeatedly, Admin has reminded us that Obama cannot be trusted. And each reminder has accompanied yet, another travesty perpetrated on this country by Obama, the media, and the Dimocrat party.

    For more than six years now, BO has been able to do or say any outrageously dishonest thing he wanted to do or say – with no exposure by media. He has consistently gotten away with any and every mistake, misstep, and outright lie. So, yes, now that MSM has had to inform the public that Obama has lied on a grand scale about something that so significantly affects their very lives and well being – you’re damn right I’m celebrating. I’m celebrating my ass off.

  39. admin
    November 8, 2013 at 10:18 am
    A former MSNBC host agrees with us that ObamaCare is the cause of cancelled health care plans:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/11/08/newest-victim-of-obamacare-former-msnbc-hosts/

    Dylan Ratigan

    I bought a catastrophic health policy for $170/mo when I left MSNBC. Obamacare cancelled the policy. New rate $600/mo. Thnx Mr. President!
    *********************************************************************

    ADMIN…I saw that this morning…last night I said we needed a good investigator to tie all the loose ends together to show the corruption that Ocare has created…and then I added…yeah, who…that person would probably be putting his life on the line…

    I want to amend that…Dylan Ratigan could be that person…if anyone recalls Dylan and his fearlessness on exposing banks, etc, on, of all places MSNBC, and then of course he left to grow hydorponic vegetables…

    Dylan “gets it”…he probably doesn’t want the grief…but Dylan could tie those corrupt loose ends together

    …another wishful fantasy…

  40. ah, yes, the same IRS that will be handling our Ocare and serving out the penalties on fellow Americans…the O admin goes from one disaster to compound another…

    doesn’t this make you feel secure?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/tax-refund-id-theft-is-gr_n_4236221.html

    Tax Refund Identity Theft Is ‘Growing Epidemic’: IRS Watchdog
    Reuters | Posted: 11/07/2013 6:30 pm EST

    WASHINGTON, Nov 7 (Reuters) – More Americans’ identities were stolen in tax refund crimes in the first six months of 2013 than in all of 2012, said a U.S. Internal Revenue Service watchdog on Thursday who described the problem as “a growing epidemic.”

    Tax refund fraud has exploded in recent years. Scammers typically use stolen names and Social Security numbers to file phony electronic tax forms for IRS refunds. (<b) soon to be Ocare healthcare fraud

    About 1.6 million Americans were victims of ID theft/tax refund crimes this year through June, up from 1.2 million taxpayers in all of 2012, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) said in a report.

    “Identity theft is a growing epidemic,” said J. Russell George, TIGTA’s chief. ( ah, yes Ocare naviagators have no backgroud checks and could even be felons

    Democratic Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, a hot spot for these crimes, said in a statement that TIGTA’s analysis shows the IRS is making progress, but much remains to be done.

    TIGTA said that while the number of frauds has risen, the amount of federal revenue lost to these crimes has decreased. In 2011, the government lost $3.6 billion in potentially fraudulent tax refunds, down from $5.2 billion in 2010.

    The thieves are increasingly working from abroad, (<b) as in, people working on Ocare website are foreigners working on Ocare website) TIGTA found. In 2011, someone using a single mailing address in Lithuania made more tax filings with fraudulent Social Security numbers than any single U.S. address, TIGTA said.

    The Lithuanian address received $220,489 in fraudulent IRS refunds; an address in Shanghai received $156,533.

    “The constantly evolving tactics used by scammers to commit identity theft continues to be one of the biggest challenges facing the IRS,” the IRS said in a statement on Thursday.

    TIGTA said the IRS must do more to spot red flags signaling potential fraud in tax filings, such as multiple filings from the same address, and to help victims more quickly.

    The IRS said it agreed with TIGTA’s recommendations. (Reporting by Patrick Temple-West; Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh, Bernard Orr)

    *****************************************

    why are the repubs making the connection to the epidemic of identity theft already occuring with the IRS and the direct link with Ocare and the IRS???

  41. wbboei November 8, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Thanks for your explanation of the deductibles. What you say confirms my worst suspicions: They render your insurance worthless because they simply provide a way for the insurer not to pay for your healthcare, almost all of which is billed at less than the deductible level.

    The only upside to this is the fact that insurers are now (with the ACA) obliged to refund any profits over 20% of their income, so from now on you will be getting refunds each year. Big deal.

    I understand what you say in defense of deductibles, in that they are an incentive for responsible behavior (though I don’t understand the second defense of them – burn layer etc.).

    However, I do not agree that “medical services tend to be over-utilized”.

    As I was trying to explain the other day when talking about market-based (or rather for-profit) medicine, the demand curve for medical services is practically a straight vertical line, unlike the demand curve for any other market – the generic widgets, thingamajigs, movies, hamburgers or any other marketable products or services.

    By “straight vertical demand”, I mean that, no matter what the price, you don’t just decide on your own to get an appendectomy rather than go to the movies or to a restaurant tonight. You either need the appendectomy or you don’t – and the price of it is not a factor in deciding whether you need an appendectomy, chemotherapy, gall bladder removal or whatever: Like price, your subjective whim has no place in the decision either.

    The supply curve is also an almost-straight vertical line. That is, a doctor is not going to tell you that you need brain surgery rather than a flu shot because he can get more money for brain surgery.

    Now, in today’s situation, a poor person will not go to a doctor for a flu shot because he can’t afford even that. If that same person has insurance without deductibles, though, he will go to the doctor and get his shot. Would you say that this medical service is being over-used, that the person is acting irresponsibly? No, on the contrary, he is acting more responsibly and the system is being used normally.

    Even if the poor person needs a costly operation like heart surgery, with CAT scan and other stuff like a 2-week stay in the hospital, he’ll shy away from the operation if he has a 5 K deductible because he can’t shell out 5 K; but is that “responsible behavior”? And if he has no deductibles, he will decide to go ahead with the surgery. Would you call that over-using the medical service? Irresponsible?

    I can see where deductibles would incentivize responsible behavior in car or home fire insurance, etc.; but even in those fields, I’ve never heard of deductibles of the order of 5 K for an individual. Several hundred dollars, yes, but I’ve never heard of a 5 K deductible for car insurance. (Maybe that’s different in the US too?)

    And there are the examples of the French and other systems where there are no deductibles; there are no problems of over-use or “burn layer”, whatever that is; and those systems operate at 10-12% of the economy while US healthcare consumes 17% of the economy. Are the patients over-using those systems? Is someone acting irresponsibly? Because if so, their still getting good medical service at just over half the price in the US.

    Health insurance deductibles should be banned. That’s my final say on the matter unless you can find a better justification.

  42. here is the real bottom line fantasy of Ocare and the Dims

    the “young people” they are counting on to support Ocare are BROKE…out of work and BROKE… and for the ones that have some $$$, they are more interested in a new Iphone or Samsung Note than health insurance…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/yep-being-a-young-american-adult-is-a-financial-nightmare/281214/

    Poverty is an astonishingly common experience here in the world’s richest country. As I wrote this morning, almost 40 percent of American adults experience it for at least a year by age 60.

    But you know who poverty is especially common among? Young adults.

    Based on the data I shared earlier, which were given to me by Washington University in St. Louis professor Mark Rank, I’ve pulled together a few more graphs that I think illustrate the difficulty of making ends meet in your twenties and early thirties (particularly if you’re not lucky enough to, say, have a college degree). Exhibit a) between the ages of 25 and 34, 41.3% percent of Americans will spend at least a year earning less than 150 percent of the poverty line, which is a technical way of saying “being pretty broke.” By age 35, a little more than a quarter will have lived under the actual poverty line, which is the technical way of saying, “really truly broke.”

    Why are young adults so poverty prone? Partly because, by definition, they tend to lack work experience and earn less than later in life. But as a group, we’re also prone to getting fired and laid off. Almost half of young adult households face a period of unemployment at some point.

    snip

    see charts at link

    *************************************************

    guess O and the Dims are expecting these “young people” to go to Michelle’s vegetable garden and pick the money for Ocare off the trees…so they can contribute to ocare

  43. …btw…just got around to looking at that interview with O and Todd…

    and honestly the first thing that came to mind was Nixon saying “I am not a crook”

    just get that same sleazy feeling watching O dodge

  44. “What the administration never appreciated was that people get new plans all the time —”
    *****
    Lynn Sweet obviously has permanent Hopium brain damage. The administration did appreciate the fact that “people get new plans all of the time” and specifically issued very restrictive rules so that even very small changes in an insurance policy made the policy a “new” policy and therefore no longer grandfathered. For individual policies, the IRS estimated, in 2010, that 40-67% of policies would lose grandfathered status, PER YEAR. This wasn’t an oversight but a necessary feature of Obamacare; people had to be forced into the exchanges if there was to be even a remote chance that the system would work. Next year, the same “old policy/new policy” dynamics will be applied to the employer health plans, with, by IRS estimates, 80% of business with less than 99 employees have their plans becoming invalid and 67% of large business affected in a similar manner. I suspect that HHS and IRS were following the recommendations and using data supplied by the insurance companies in order to get to the “desired” results.

  45. freespirit November 8, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “…your fund of knowledge, if accurate, on Obamacare, specifically, and insurance, generally, is impressive.”

    Please, it sounds like you’re making fun of me here…? If not, then it’s a compliment that is too enormous for me and I must stand down: I don’t know that much about insurance generally and what I know in particular about Obamacare comes mainly from what I heard Bill Clinton say at last year’s D convention (which I think you should listen to if it’s still on Youtube), but also from what I’ve heard right here at H44. From there on, it’s just a matter of interpreting the facts and theories – with an open mind, some life experience, and no foregone conclusions!

    Also remember that Obama did not participate much, if at all, in the creation of the ACA. It was created mainly by the Senate Ds, if you remember. The House bill was a better law, with the public option, but the Ds were so afraid of Scott Brown overturning the apple cart that they accepted the inferior Senate version and Obama called in Bill and Hillary to push that inferior version over the top in the House.

    So it’s not surprising that Obama doesn’t know that much about his “signature legislation”. He didn’t craft it and most certainly hasn’t read it. So, to foresee “details” that were not written into the ACA itself, like what decisions insurers were going to make about policies they don’t like, is asking too much of this incompetent lackadaisical fool.

    I understand why you are celebrating the rift between BO and the media and his probable embarrassment before the public. It’s just that, as I’ve said elsewhere, the media are a matter of complete indifference to me, as are their lies and that of the government. I’m not a media consumer.

    What I’ve been talking about today is not all the dishonest things Obama has done since 2008 and which are the cause of your celebration. I’m trying to limit my discussion to Obamacare. I’d appreciate your reactions to what I’ve been saying (but I’m signing off now and won’t be back till tomorrow evening or Sunday).

  46. Admin: “More than a lie it was a fraud.”

    *******************************

    Pure and simple! Bottom line!

    Once the definition of what constituted health care/insurance was changed based on stringent criteria, it was inevitable that the grandfather provision would NOT apply. So promises made to the contrary are lies AND FRAUD! Furthermore, there was no debate on the AHA law before it was shoved down our throats via a slimy parliamentary move that categorized AHA as a budget item which would only require a simple majority to pass, instead than the 60 votes in the Senate.

    As a result of this fraud, people are being forced to buy virtually useless plans because of the high deductibles and premiums. Unfortunately, among those whose insurance kicks in after the high deductible (due to an catastrophic illness or accident), many will go bankrupt. As wwb said, the health insurance under the ACA is basically catastrophic insurance with high premiums and deductibles. One could even say it is a new form of JUNK insurance.

    This new law should be called the Unaffordble Healthcare Act — UHA.

  47. First I have to say I am way behind on the posts, so forgive me for sounding like old news.

    JesW

    [snip] “This means that the premiums finally charged for each plan will be determined only next year, and that they will be lower than they are now.”

    —-
    Well, if you are right, I will not only be shocked, I will say, “You were right!”, but until then, I don’t believe it. I have never had any health insurance decrease in price no matter how many millions of people joined Kaiser, not one penny lower.

    From Obama’s track record of failure and the congress not given time to read the bill before the Democrats voted for it, your analysis of this situation seems overly optimistic to me.

    In the back of my mind I wonder if Hillary became President, could she help repeal parts of the HellCare bill and turn it into a great healthcare plan…I have no idea if that is even possible.

  48. F$$kin Hilarious……the whole reason and push for Obamacare just got flushed down the toilet. Obama ruined everyones insurance for this…….

    Poll: 78% of Uninsured Not Interested in ObamaCare

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/08/poll-78-percent-of-uninsured-not-interested-in-obamacare

    A new Gallup poll brings more terrible news for President Obama and his signature health plan, showing that only 22% of uninsured Americans intend to buy insurance through the ObamaCare exchanges.

    One of the major selling points for using ObamaCare to disrupt our health care system (that polls showed up to 80% of Americans were satisfied with) was to insure the uninsured. But according to this poll, only a very small minority of that small minority is even interested in obtaining insurance.

    Even more troubling is the realization that a month ago, that number was double; a full 44% of the uninsured said they would purchase insurance though the exchanges.

    Over the course of a month, however, the reality of ObamaCare scared off half of that 44%. The high cost of premiums, the high deductibles customers have to pay regardless of any tax subsidy, and the unforgivable bungling of the rollout only discouraged those who we blew up a perfectly good health care system to help.

    The worse news is that you can bet that the 22% who do intend to sign up are made up of the oldest and sickest among the uninsured. Meanwhile, the 78% who are uninterested in being insured are likely the youngest and healthiest.

    This means a sicker and older pool of enrollees, which means higher premiums for a couple hundred million Americans who were perfectly satisfied with what they had–that is, before President Obama, Democrats, and the media decided what was best for us.

    As of now, the poll shows only 18% of the uninsured have even tried to visit a marketplace website.

    When you look at the nearly 4 million Americans who have already had their insurance cancelled, the low enrollment numbers we have seen so far, and combine that with the website problems, sticker shock, and overall disgust, it is not out inconceivable to speculate that by this time next year, ObamaCare will have caused the number of uninsured in America to increase.

  49. Wbb

    Early in my career, I was a risk manager, and I had a bullshit degree in it as well.

    ——
    Well the info you wrote, especially towards the end of that paragraph made my head spin…

  50. Jeswesey,

    “Please, it sounds like you’re making fun of me here…?”

    _______________

    I’m sorry it sounded that way. I wasn’t making fun. You actually seem to have a thorough understanding of insurance. But I will say, I’m pretty easy to impress when it comes to matters requiring logical, left-brained processing. My right-brained, ADHD self struggles with detailed, lengthy material, related to insurance, ant similar more technical topics.

    I respectfully disagreed with your post, but was not making fun of you.

  51. Excellent post Admin 10:10 AM, and very informative:

    “It was a premeditated lie. More than a lie it was a fraud. A fake. It was a fraud designed to pass a bill that would otherwise not come close to passing.”

    ——
    Sounds like the demographic that will benefit the most is for young families with small children. Freakin’ dental coverage for kids, while adults need it the most!!!

    Mental health care is good for the public, only if states do not dump these poor people into their jails and out on the streets as homeless without any meds or care. Mental health facilities only hold patients for a couple of days, give them meds that take weeks to kick in, and let them roam the streets half dressed, without shelter.

    California has become a dumping ground for the hopeless and poor with no healthcare nor mental health care. In N. Calif. this is a huge problem.

  52. wbboei
    November 8, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Sorry, no can do. No TV, and no TV for 41 years now.
    ————————–
    Me too.

    I have been television free since 2009.

    I have experienced no withdrawal symptoms.

    It is better than an AA pledge.

    41 years is more impressive.

    ———
    Sorry to burst your bro awards guys, but for many, the internet supplies most of us with more entertainment than tv ever did. I watch tv shows and movies on my computer more than I do on my tv set.

    I have stopped watching the evening news, but I get more news on the internet than I could in one hour of a local program. I even gave up Fox news after the fraud got his second term. If Hillary runs, I’m not sure what tv station I will watch. Fox bashing Hillary, no way.

    TVs are becoming obsolete.

  53. admin
    November 8, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Celebration

    Crank up those speakers Admin!!!!

    Friday music on the blog…it’ been awhile. We need to keep this song handy for Hillary…

  54. So basically, he’s saying “I’m sorry you’re all f*cked, but that my legacy and I’m stickin’ tp it!”

    Jesus, its gonna be a l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g 3 more years……

  55. admin
    November 8, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Sisters…

    Admin, do you have some inside news about Hillary for us??????????

  56. informative post admin. Yes, of course Obama lied. We knew it. But those who had to hope that Obama wasn’t lying and that they would be able to keep their coverage is the heart-wrenching result of this, because faced with the difficult decision to choose another plan and being unable to do so because of website purposefully-designed glitches to keep us in the dark of the real costs to Ozerocare, people have to make hard choices now based on the limited information they have, they don’t have the luxury to wait until the market finally corrects itself when the yet-to-be-determined additional people do sign up. They need to assess the benefits v. costs NOW. Like this man:

  57. New Obama approval-disapproval #s aren’t looking good. On economy: 31-65; On immigration: 32-60; On healthcare: 37-59

  58. bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Breaking: Joe Biden has now called more people in Boston trying to find the new mayor, than have enrolled via MA Obamacare exchange

  59. “Analysis: Tens of millions could be forced out of health insurance they had”
    (snip)
    “Obama insisted anew Thursday that the problem is limited to people who buy their own insurance. “We’re talking about 5 percent of the population who are in what’s called the individual market. They’re out there buying health insurance on their own,” he told NBC.

    But a closer examination finds that the number of people who have plans changing, or have already changed, could be between 34 million to 52 million. That’s because many employer-provided insurance plans also could change, not just individually purchased insurance plans”
    (snip)
    Already this year, only 36 percent of employer plans were pre-2010 plans, compared with 56 percent in 2011, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading health care research organization. That means that millions of people’s plans already had changed or were canceled in the three and a half years since the law was enacted in March 2010.”

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html#storylink=cpy

    This is an indictment of McClatchy and other so-called news services. This information was available on the internet 2 1/2 years ago. Rather than doing their job, “news” organizations are trying to cover their asses, waiting to see which way the wind blows. Too early to say but if insurance cancellations impact the employer group market then this will be Obama’s “Katrina”.

  60. Hollywood Donors Set to Cast Hillary Clinton in Top Role

    LOS ANGELES ­ In the prelude to the 2008 Democratic presidential primary season, the split between the Hollywood mogul David Geffen and Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton represented an early and embarrassing sign of trouble for Mrs. Clinton.

    Mr. Geffen, previously one of the Clintons’ most generous benefactors, criticized the former first lady as overly ambitious and called the former president “a reckless guy.” Hollywood divided, quickly and sharply, between Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama, then a senator.

    When Mrs. Clinton arrives here on Friday to accept an award at an A-list charity event organized by, among others, the producer Jeffrey Katzenberg, she will find a decidedly more embracing climate.

    Conversations with a range of Hollywood figures suggest that there is widespread ­ if not so starry-eyed ­ support for Mrs. Clinton should she decide to run for president in 2016, a stark contrast with 2008, and an important early indication of Mrs. Clinton’s standing with some of the biggest donors in the Democratic Party.

    “If she ran, I would support her ­ no question,” Mr. Geffen said in an interview. “I think she’s the best candidate currently available for either party.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/08/us/politics/in-hollywood-clintons-a-star.html?_r=0

  61. Expert: Radioactive Water To Hit West Coast Within Months!!! (Video)

    Finally the MSM is catching on and attempting to catch up to the Alternative Media that has been warning that the radioactive water coming from Japan and the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant will be hitting the West Coast of America and is a global concern.

    Yet the MSM is still seen as downplaying the situation… he radioactive water will hit the US, but no worries, it’ll be diluted, no need for concern, nothing to see here, move along.

    The irresponsibility of the MSM is beyond criminal.

    From killing off ocean life to the seafood we eat, jobs on the water, fisherman, etc… Ultimately affecting our air, our food and our economy.

    Via ENENews, from ABC Los Angeles:

    http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/

  62. Leonora, it could get worse with another 7.0 earthquake at the site. According to some scientists, an earthquake of this magnitude has a 95% chance of occurring, then it’s good-bye Japan and evacuations of North America. Don’t know if it will come to this, but, as you say the down-playing — indeed, black out — of this developing story since the tsunami is criminal.

  63. According to this article from The Examiner, Obama grants Dem incumbents the right of free speech, but strings are attached. In return, they must not try to mess with Obamacare.

    ____________

    “WH gives permission to Dem Senators facing reelection ‘to bash administration?”

    White House

    U.S. Government

    Howard PortnoyPolicy & Issues Examiner

    November 8, 2013

    “Here’s hoping they got it in writing.

    Who knew Democrats needed Barack Obama’s permission to take shots at him and his awful health care law if it will help them win reelection? A piece at Politico acknowledges that “at the pleading of senior White House officials,”

    Senate Democrats are holding off on demands to delay major aspects of the health care law until the Obama administration has the opportunity to fix the website problems that are thwarting enrollment in the program.

    Democratic senators facing reelection have a green light to bash the White House and call for certain legislative fixes. But they’ve been urged by senior administration officials not to insist on delaying the controversial law’s core: The mandate for individuals to purchase insurance coverage or face penalties”[Emphasis added]

    http://www.examiner.com

  64. Wow. Even Vanity Fair, who wrote that nasty hit-piece on Bill back in 2008 to help out Obama, is now joning in the Obama walk-back. He really is in trouble.

    “When Barack Obama arrived in Washington almost five years ago, the universal assumption was that the young president—who had, after all, won office by exploiting every connective tool of the national social and electoral network—would run his White House in sharp contrast to the bunkered, hunkered-down George W. Bush.

    Like so much conventional wisdom, that impression has proved dead wrong. In fact, Obama’s resolute solitude—his isolation and alienation from the other players and power centers of Washington, be they rivals or friends—has emerged as the defining trait of his time in office. He may be the biggest presidential paradox since Thomas Jefferson, the slaveholder who wrote the Declaration of Independence: a community organizer who works alone.

    In early 2011, when the president’s most trusted political adviser, David Axelrod, left the White House to return to Chicago to run his re-election campaign, Obama made a surprise appearance at Axelrod’s going-away party in a grand apartment off Dupont Circle on a wintry Saturday night. Clad casually in a black jacket, he spoke warmly, even emotionally, of the aide who had done so much to elect him. Then he made his way quickly around a living room full of Cabinet members, other aides, and off-duty reporters, grasping each proffered hand with a single, relentless, repeated greeting: “Gotta go.

    Self-containment is not simply Obama’s political default mode. Self-possession is the core of his being, and a central part of the secret of his success. It is Obama’s unwavering discipline to keep his cool when others are losing theirs, and it seems likely that no black man who behaved otherwise could ever have won the presidency.

    But this quality, perhaps Obama’s greatest strength in gaining office, is his greatest weakness in conducting it. And as he ends the first year of his second term, that weakness seems to dog him—and to matter—more and more. At a time when the abrasions of office leave any president most in need of friends, Obama is the capital’s Lonely Guy.

    Obama’s self-evident isolation has another effect: It tends to insulate him from engagement in the management of his own administration. The latest round of “what did the president know and when did he know it” on the disastrous rollout of Obamacare and the tapping of German chancellor Angela Merkel’s cell phone raised troubling questions: Were Obama’s aides too afraid to tell him? Was he too detached to ask? Or both? At the least, such glaring failures cast fresh doubt on Obama’s invariable assurance to those around him in times of trouble: “I got this.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2013/11/barack-obama-loner-self-reliant-closed-off?mbid=social_twitter

  65. http://washingtonexaminer.com/magazine-cover-conjures-hillarys-nightmare/article/2538784

    Magazine cover conjures ‘Hillary’s nightmare’

    new edition of the left-leaning magazine The New Republic imagines Hillary Clinton’s political “nightmare” as a crowd of people holding up Elizabeth Warren masks.

    The Image, an homage to the original promotional poster for the film “Being John Malkovich,” will run with the tagline, “A Democratic Party that realizes its soul lies with Elizabeth Warren instead.”

    Clinton, who is weighing a bid for president in 2016, is widely viewed among Democrats as the party’s logical nominee should she run. Unlike in 2008, when then-Sen. Barack Obama was making overtures about a serious bid for the presidency, no apparent Democratic challengers to Clinton have yet emerged.

    And, while some progressive Democrats have pointed to Warren as a potential alternative to Clinton, the senator from Massachusetts has denied any interest in running for president. When asked recently whether she would consider it, she answered in the negative, and she was among the signatories on a letter sent to Clinton in February from the Senate’s Democratic women, urging her to run for president in 2016.

  66. S
    November 9, 2013 at 1:36 am

    omg…Marie Antoniette is at it again…prepare yourself before you look…

    ===

    Please don’t insult Marie Antoniette. 🙂

  67. Obama’s Betrayal of Israel and Arming of Iran

    Obama’s betrayal of Israel is stunning and completely predictable. It’s right on schedule along with the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. I don’t know how anyone could be surprised by this. Whispers are on the wind that a nuclear deal is within reach between the US and Iran, but the US has already been quietly lifting financial sanctions, enabling the terrorist Islamic state. While Obama and his Muslim acolytes have been busy emboldening, financing and arming Iran to destroy tiny Israel, he has distracted America with a myriad of emergencies and shiny objects all of which spell death to Israel and eventually death to America. The infidels have been duped and Iran is now simulating missile attacks on Israel, getting ready for the big show to come:

    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2013/11/08/obamas-betrayal-of-israel-and-arming-of-iran/

  68. St. Louis Woman Is Victim of ID Theft After Signing Up for O-Care (Video)

    Warning: If You Sign Up for Obamacare – Your Information Can Be Accessed By Complete Strangers
    We were warned this could happen. A St. Louis woman found out she was a victim of identity theft this week after she signed up for Obamacare.

    Lisa Martinson called customer service after she forgot her password. That’s when she was told three different people were given the password to her account, her address and her Social Security number. Then she was told it would take up to five days to get her personal information offline.

    O-Care officials say they are investigating the situation.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/st-louis-woman-is-victim-of-id-theft-after-signing-up-for-o-care-video/

  69. This is Admin’s admin typing this message on behalf of Admin. Admin is unable to type for an indeterminate amount of time and therefore not sure when Admin will be able to contribute to the comments section without assistance again. Unfortunately Admin is temporarily blind. Admin foolishly looked at the picture at the link provided by S without sufficient preparation. Admin did not even wear the usual, and required, blackout sunglasses provided when viewing pictures of B.O. or M.O. In future Admin will wear protective gear when engaging in dangerous picture viewing. Admin advises all to wear your protective gear to gaze on M.O. or B.O. at all times.

  70. Just living the dream of our first black president, as he brings peace and prosperity to the Middle East. He gave the world his Sermon on the Mount in Cairo. Now he is giving the Moolahs anything they want. What a fine multi tasker he is. He can destroy the Middle East and our health care system at the same time, and still have time to work on his golf. Why has big media done a black out on his golf? A few months back this was all they could talk about.
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  71. Tonight Show Audience Cheers When Ted Cruz Says ‘ObamaCare’s the Biggest Jobs Killer in This Country’

    Barack Obama’s signature legislative achievement has become a laughing stock.

    On NBC’s Tonight Show Friday, the audience broke out into cheers and applause when Senator Ted Cruz (R-Tx.) told host Jay Leno, “ObamaCare: it’s the biggest jobs killer in this country” (video follows with transcript and commentary):

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/09/tonight-show-audience-cheers-when-ted-cruz-says-obamacares-biggest-jo#ixzz2kAutveW2

  72. admin
    November 9, 2013 at 8:06 am

    This is Admin’s admin typing this message on behalf of Admin. Admin is unable to type for an indeterminate amount of time and therefore not sure when Admin will be able to contribute to the comments section without assistance again. Unfortunately Admin is temporarily blind. Admin foolishly looked at the picture at the link provided by S without sufficient preparation. Admin did not even wear
    he usual, and required, blackout sunglasses provided when viewing pictures of B.O. or M.O. In future Admin will wear protective gear when engaging in dangerous picture viewing. Admin advises all to wear your protective gear to gaze on M.O. or B.O. at all times.

    _______________________________

    My deepest sympathies.Admin. Praying for a speedy recovery.
    I have found that listening to tapes of Hillary speaking usually brings about full recovery rather quickly.
    Bill is also good but not as good as Hillary is. 🙂

  73. Leanora
    November 9, 2013 at 7:55 am

    St. Louis Woman Is Victim of ID Theft After Signing Up for O-Care (Video)

    Warning: If You Sign Up for Obamacare – Your Information Can Be Accessed By Complete Strangers

    ___________________________

    Please be careful !!! 🙂

  74. wbboei

    November 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    As we all do here, the difference between the corrupt sheeple that work for (bumbles as well as bumbles himself) seek to mislead thru fabricated communication. Notice in the one-minute statement given by the PM of Israel, like him or not, distilled the reason WHY the deal was bad. The central sticking point in the deal negotiations that doesn’t pass the smell test is the fact that the ABILITY for Iran to continue to enrich remains as their coffers and pantries will begin to be restocked. Couple that with the failure of United States to provide leadership in the region giving Russia the opening to sell military hardware almost indiscriminately, and you have a recipe for the violent elimination of Israel and the continued emasculation of the United States in the region and in the world.

    If you listen to Uncle Bumbles legion of monkeys, when they defend him, it is with calls for patience and with misdirection. Misdirection as we are seeing with Sebilius, patience as we are seeing with Kerry. The other very obvious difference is that they still do not tell you what exactly the problem is. Again, like him or not, PM Netanyahu tells the world in under one minute what the sticking point is and why it is a sticking point in a way that the lay people listening can understand exactly what the problem is and why.

    More and more now, it is becoming evident why Hillary didn’t make peace forays to the Middle East as Kerry is doing – there is no way she would have agreed to these deals and never would have led a team in those negotiations. I am curious to see if this agreement is signed whether or not bumbles will claim ignorance the day after Iran tests their first nuke. I can see Jarrett’s hands all over this one….

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2016

  75. admin
    November 9, 2013 at 8:06 am

    This is Admin’s admin typing this message on behalf of Admin. Admin is unable to type for an indeterminate amount of time and therefore not sure when Admin will be able to contribute to the comments section without assistance again. Unfortunately Admin is temporarily blind. Admin foolishly looked at the picture at the link provided by S without sufficient preparation. Admin did not even wear the usual, and required, blackout sunglasses provided when viewing pictures of B.O. or M.O. In future Admin will wear protective gear when engaging in dangerous picture viewing. Admin advises all to wear your protective gear to gaze on M.O. or B.O. at all times.
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    Admin…oh my goodness…i tried to warn you…you had me worried…take it easy…we need you…

  76. I can see Jarrett’s hands all over this one
    —————
    As with Hadleman and Erickman she will be a fall-guy, by the time this thing runs its course. And when she does go down there will be plenty of insiders eager to piss on her political grave. The story of her abuse of power has yet to be written, but sure as God made little green apples, it will be. As this presidency comes unglued, attention will focus on her. She is the perfect cultural villain.

    For me however this is not adequate. Any demise of this administration must be accompanied by a concomitant demise of big media, so that everyone knows who is ultimately responsible. Never again can we afford to trust them. They are bigger liars than Mr Obama–which is no defense for him, but simply a recognition of how they operate. We also know the why of it now–they are an integral part of the fascist government, therefore repentance is not in the cards. They must never again be allowed to be the opinion maker for this nation. They have an aversion to truth.

  77. Have you ever wondered if Barry is really a white guy that only looks brown because he is so full of shit?
    ===

    Maybe that’s why there are always so many flies flying around his head.

  78. If only…
    ==

    Calls Begin For Obama’s Impeachment & Removal Over Serial Fraud & Corruption

    In 2009, while discussing his plans to overhaul health care, Barack Obama repeated this promise to the American public:

    “If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.”

    But it was all a lie.

    And, Obama and Democrats knew it was a lie.

    So far over 4.2 million Americans have lost their health insurance due to Obamacare. That’s more than the population of 26 states.

    More @
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/calls-begin-for-obamas-impeachment-removal-over-serial-fraud-corruption/

  79. And right on cue….

    http://news.yahoo.com/crisis-brewing-israeli-us-relations-173012571.html

    From the article{Emphasis mine}

    White House spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said Saturday the Obama administration was “in full agreement with Israel on the need to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon” and that the negotiations had that goal in mind.

    But Netanyahu has said international pressure should be increased, not eased, until Iran dismantles all suspicious nuclear activities. That position puts him at odds with the U.S. as the White House urges Congress to hold off on new sanctions while negotiations are under way.

    For now, Netanyahu’s options appear limited. Despite longstanding threats to carry out a military attack on Iran if necessary, it would be all but impossible to do so in the current diplomatic environment. On the Palestinian front, Netanyahu holds most of the leverage and is showing little inclination to change.

    Obama cannot be trusted. Israel should not trust this administration and solely act in their own best interest. They face annihilation on a daily basis. Like the referee in a boxing match says in pre-fight instructions – protect yourself at all times – and that includes this administration.

    Asshats

    Hillary 2016

  80. One of Barack’s campaign videos against McCain and the GOP health plan had the title: It Gets Worse.
    Same can be said of his own plan. [The full article is posted.]
    Obamacare adviser says healthcare website encountering new issues
    11/8/13. (Reuters) – The Obama administration’s HealthCare.gov adviser Jeffrey Zients said on Friday that the trouble-plagued federal healthcare website is improving, but that higher volumes of visitors are exposing new capacity and software issues.
    In a conference call with reporters, Zients said progress this week has been marred by roadblocks. He described HealthCare.gov as being “a long way from where it needs to be.”
    The administration is struggling to resolve problems with the website by the end of November, when it has pledged to have the system operating smoothly for the vast number of users including uninsured people interested in obtaining subsidized private health insurance.
    (Reporting by David Morgan; editing by Christopher Wilson)
    (This story was refiled to correct the spelling of last name to Zients from Zeints)
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/08/us-usa-healthcare-zeints-idUSBRE9A70Y220131108

  81. admin November 8, 2013 at 10:10 am

    This is simply not true:

    ‘There is indeed nothing in the ACA that requires people to change plans or do anything at all if they have a plan they like.’

    …. Here’s why the facts declare that to be a lie:

    “… a key part of the law is forcing insurers to offer an “essential health benefits” package, providing coverage in 10 categories…. For some plans, this would be a big change.“

    Yes, but this is an indirect impact of the law that was not stipulated therein.

    All of the coverage categories listed would be billed at less than $5 K, so if the insurer has to include these new categories in an old plan but clamps a $5 K deductible on the policy, then the bottom line is that these services will not be paid for.

    Again, the culprit here is the deductible which is part of the habits and customs of private insurance and, while this will be attenuated by the necessary refunds from the insurer under the ACA law, it will not correct the basic defect in the law (not banning deductibles).

    It can only be said that these deductibles have always existed and have always rendered health insurance pointless; but now that insurers are limited to a 20% take (100% – 80%) on their revenues for overhead and profits, the effect of these deductibles will be mollified.

    “If you dig into the regulations…”

    Yes, but let’s stick to the law, since that is what I was talking about.

    The regulations were written “tight”, but the law wasn’t. If we want to correct the cancelations problem now, either the regulations have to be re-written or a new law has to be passed.

    “Another provision says the co-insurance rate could not be increased at all above the level it was on March 23, 2010.”

    First, I admit I don’t know what co-insurance is, nor the co-insurance rate, and secondly I don’t understand why capping such rate obliges an insurer to cancel a plan.

    “In the individual insurance market, few plans were expected to meet the “grandfathered” requirements, …”

    This is true, because there is a fundamental difference between group plans and individual plans: of the 10 categories listed, for example, things such as maternity and newborn care are ordinarily written into group plans, whereas individuals can opt out of such items as maternity and newborn care if the parents are no longer of childbearing age and the children are already grown.

    “Expected” refers to expectations, however, and not to what is written directly into the law. “Expectations” refer to experts or insurers themselves, who read the law and had to plan what they would do about it. “Expectations” do not refer to the grunt man-in-the-street who is now surprised at his cancelation because he has other things to do than to read and think about a 2500 page document that not even the legislators had read, no less Obama.

    I will not let go of the fact that the US healthcare system rated 37th in the world in the WHO ratings before Obamacare, and that the bottom line is to know whether or not Obamacare will hoist us up in that rating a few years from now.

    In such regard, and in my humble opinion, Obamacare will help a little, but not much, even in the long run. Adjustments are needed, and some of those adjustments are major. I don’t expect Republicans to be helpful in making any such adjustments, because their objective all along has been to keep or return to the economic free-for-all robber baron system that existed before Obamacare. So, I don’t care to advise Republicans on how to play their political games more effectively.

    I still suggest, as I did the other day, that we follow Jon Stewart’s advice and “take it down a notch.”

    That is, little does it matter to me if Obama’s ignorance was or was not an intentional lie, and little does it matter to me if experts or legislators knew a long time ago that policies would be canceled, rates and deductibles would go up in the individual market, or that Obama’s cronies would create problems with the website and so forth.

    The fundamentals for me are rather:

    1) What needs to be done to achieve adequate universal healthcare in America, with or without Obamacare? and, as a consequence,

    2) How will Hillary grapple with this situation politically, assuming she launches a presidential bid in 2015?

    Because, believe me if no one else, Hillary has been fighting for universal quality healthcare for a very long time and the issue is very likely to be on the chopping block again in 2016. So, we need to think about the first question and get some serious answers.

    I provide my answers (public option with full coverage for everyone and no deductibles for anyone) on the basis of my life experience with just such coverage and at about half the cost of the American system, whatever the individual or group plan you use.

    Take the example I mention above, of a 50-year-old couple with adolescent children. That was my situation 15 years ago. At the time, I was paying into a system that provided maternity and newborn care services liberally, although I never stood another chance in life to need such services. I couldn’t opt out.

    Did I complain? No, because 15 years earlier than that, other subscribers had been paying for my own young family even though they had no children of their own. At the time, we even had babysitting services, and the babysitter would do things like prepare supper and hang out the laundry!

    wbboei: That’s what risk management is all about. It’s not a matter of instituting deductibles, but of spreading out risks.

    Another example is my bout with cancer this year. Out of the whole population of 61 million, all of whom pay for full coverage, there are only about 20,000 people undergoing chemo, radiation treatment or surgery for cancer at any given time; and in fact, there are fewer and fewer people undergoing any cancer treatment at all, with the preventive measures that are paid for by social security (i.e. “social security” is the health system, not the retirement system). Included in the radiation treatment was taxi service round-trip to the radiology center.

    I would estimate that the entire cost of the treatment came to about €30,000 with €800 out of pocket, and in the US it would probably have been twice that. I paid nothing except what the doctors charged above the going social security rate, and I could have avoided that if I had shopped for other doctors who worked for the going rate.

    Again this is risk management – spreading out the cost among all subscribers with no rewards or punishments on the basis of actual medical history.

    And no deductibles.

    In the US, a public option would have to work this way. As I reminded freespirit the other day, there was a public option in the House bill of 2009; but Lieberman gutted it from the Senate bill that was actually passed. I think we have to press for a public option, and I hope Hillary does that in 2016.

  82. admin November 8, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “A former MSNBC host agrees with us that ObamaCare is the cause of cancelled health care plans“

    Again, I’m not arguing with the fact that the law is the cause of the cancelations, only saying that the cancelations are not part of the law, and since neither the lawmakers nor Obama read the law, no less thought about its consequences, their claim that the law didn’t harbor any cancelations was literally true.

    I am further arguing that this whole to-do about who was lying or just plain ignorant is completely irrelevant to the healthcare issue. It’s all about Obama again. My point: who cares? I don’t, anyway….

    In any event:

    “I bought a catastrophic health policy for $170/mo when I left MSNBC….”

    Catastrophic health coverage is the absolute minimum and far too limited, not allowed under the ACA. It is a prime example of minimum risks and does not include the 10 categories mentioned in the ACA. Dylan Ratigan should have known his policy would be canceled, but there is no cure for stupid: Even at $170/month ($2 K/year), his insurer was ripping him off.

  83. TheRock November 8, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “Kudos wbb on a very complete definition of the need for the copay/deductible in terms of insurance.”

    You apparently understood something that I didn’t get.

    I understand deductibles in car or home insurance, for example, but not in health insurance because health matters are needs of an absolute nature – that is, you are not going to ask for a gall bladder removal on the basis of price or whim, and your doctor isn’t going to order that operation on the basis or price or preference either.

    Either you need the operation or you don’t.

    In terms of smaller, more “elective” health care such as the flu shots I mentioned to wbboei, you don’t have an absolute need, no; but the more responsible course of action is to get the flu shot because, without it, you might catch the flu, miss out on a few days of work, spread the flu to others, etc.

    “All businesses need cash at the point of sale.”

    Yes, but not all businesses impose deductibles on their customers. It is only in insurance that this happens, and it is part of “overhead”. Insurers under the ACA are allowed 20% of their receipts for overhead and profits.

    “…pay for everyday items needed in the office/facility and it serves as a bridge for the facility to survive on until insurance is filed and recouped.”

    No, these come under the allowable overhead items.

    “Also, enough cannot be said about the prevention of over-utilization by patients.”

    No, I answered this to wbboei. Medical services are intrinsically not over-used. I used the above example of the flu shot as a demonstration.

    I admit that I have no knowledge of Medicaid doctors’ experience with patients, though. Limiting the number of visits per year to 12 seems reasonable but arbitrary; but instituting a deductible would be entirely unjustifiable – and illegal under Medicaid. I don’t view this as justification for a deductible.

    In my system, there is no Medicaid; but the reimbursements to doctors under the universal system are not always to the doctor’s liking and he will charge more than the social security rate. My family doctor, for example, charges a hefty €30 above the going rate for visits that rarely last more than 12-15 minutes. But I’ve never shopped for another doctor because I am convinced my doctor is one of the best: He has made some surprising diagnostics in those 12 minutes that have saved me a lot of hardship.

    For example, in the run-up to my cancer treatment this year, I did not go to the family doctor because there was another doctor nearby (10 yards from my house, and I was suffering from diarrhea) who charges only €20 above the going rate. This second doctor had me do blood and stool analyses before surmising that maybe there were polyps, and then sent me along to a gastroenterologist.

    So, before I was handled by the gastro specialist, I shelled out €40 to a doctor who didn’t have enough smarts to guess I had cancerous polyps, whereas I’m convinced the €30 family doctor would have sent me directly to the gastro or maybe even the oncologist.

    In any event, the two visits to the proximity doctor took place within a week and thus would not have satisfied your 12 visits/year (i.e. once monthly) rule. To my eyes, it’s just one more illustration of how medical services are not over-used.

    “Side note – both groups treated their financial or plan-imposed limits with respect the entire time I worked at that office. We never had problems collecting the upfront or copay.”

    Actually, this statement supports the idea that deductibles are not necessary – serve no purpose.

  84. admin November 8, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “What the administration never appreciated was that people get new plans all the time — but they hardly noticed because it seemed more like an automatic renewal, albeit often with higher costs. A cancellation letter gets your attention.”

    Yes indeed. This is another reason why I say the cancelations are actions taken by the insurers and not required by the law. The law requires changes, yes, but not cancelations.

    And the law allows for natural market mechanisms to bring down prices, but does not require price hikes or decreases. It leaves all this up to the insurers, assuming (perhaps wrongly) that the market mechanisms will have the same effects they have in other markets.

    Since the healthcare market (straight vertical demand and supply curves) is different from any other, though, I don’t see how these market mechanisms are going to have the desired effect. Only the 80% rule and the volume of trade for a given insurer will have any downward effect on prices, as far as I can see.

  85. Shadowfax November 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    (“This means that the premiums finally charged for each plan will be determined only next year, and that they will be lower than they are now.”)

    “… if you are right, I will not only be shocked, I will say, “You were right!”, but until then, I don’t believe it. I have never had any health insurance decrease in price no matter how many millions of people joined Kaiser, not one penny lower.”

    Fair enough, I’ll take bets on it and I’m a good loser.

    But also, don’t get me wrong: I have no reliable crystal ball and all I can do is talk common sense on the basis of my own education, spotty knowledge of the ACA, and life experience.

    And don’t forget the second factor I named – the 80% rule for insurers. This will require insurers to refund any gains they make over 20% of their base revenues. But the effects of this 80% rule will only be felt beginning in 2016.

    “From Obama’s track record of failure and the congress not given time to read the bill before the Democrats voted for it, your analysis of this situation seems overly optimistic to me.”

    I know. But in the atmosphere of H44, I want to push back against the revelry over the failures and perceived pitfalls in the ACA, because what is really at stake here, both for the country and in terms of Hillary’s 2016 bid, is not to determine who’s been lying or defrauding the public (because that has so often been the case for so long) or counseling the Republicans on a more detrimental course of action, but rather how the ACA can be changed to get truly universal, affordable, quality healthcare to all Americans. So, you see, we are both on the same page again:

    “In the back of my mind I wonder if Hillary became President, could she help repeal parts of the HellCare bill and turn it into a great healthcare plan…I have no idea if that is even possible.”

    It’s got to be possible. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is not the solution.

    To get to the public option, for example, one solution would be to make Medicaid (a public option) available to anyone who wants to buy into it. In such case, Medicaid would still be available free of charge to the indigent; but if people above the poverty level could buy into Medicaid, it would enlarge the system, spread risks, increase coverage….

    Also, I’m starting a campaign of 1 person to ban deductibles (as under Medicaid).

  86. (me) No TV, and no TV for 41 years now.
    (wbboei) “I have been television free since 2009.
    I have experienced no withdrawal symptoms.”

    Cold turkey was not entirely without withrawal symptoms for me, though it was easy.

    What happened was that I spent a few days – or maybe it was weeks – with my mind wandering aimlessly while I wondered what I was going to do with all my newfound “free time”.

    Actually, the free time was all psychological. It felt like my head was empty, whatever was I to think about with no sitcom or news program to tickle my neurons. Eventually, I spent all this free mental space thinking, reading and talking with other people and forgot completely about what TV producers wanted to put into my head.

    My news then came mainly from listening to other people talk about it. Sometimes they made fun of me for being a few hours or days behind on one or another issue. But in those hours and days, I picked up the news from several sources (people, different newspapers, magazines), giving me a broader perspective on it all.

    Nowadays, there are some substitutes lining up:

    Shadowfax November 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Sorry to burst your bro awards guys, but for many, the internet supplies most of us with more entertainment than tv ever did.

    I agree with this completely. Furthermore, I can view some choice TV sequences on Youtube, but at any time of day or night and a week or more later, without the ads, plus several snatches from different talking heads that broadcast at the same time, so with a TV I would have to choose between them.

    Still, my many years without TV have accustomed me to not taking anything said on TV at face value. Often, I make a transcript of an interview (I’m a fast typist) and then read through it at leisure, then pick up an opposing view and read that…

    As far as entertainment goes, Youtube gives a lot more than TV productions. So, in the final analysis, while my consumption of media has revived a little with Youtube, the listening mode is still different.

    “If Hillary runs, I’m not sure what tv station I will watch. Fox bashing Hillary, no way. TVs are becoming obsolete.“

    In my book, TV has been obsolete for a long time. I walked around in circles at first, but I’ve never suffered from a lack of it.

    The problem with TV is that producers, writers and actors get high salaries whereas the viewers don’t pay, so that producers get their money from advertisers who pay the producers to sell their products to the public.

    Producers, therefore, produce whatever it takes to draw an audience so the advertisers can put across their products to the largest possible audience. Since the audience wants to be entertained and kept happy, even the news is meant to be entertaining. The days of Walter Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley and Eric Sevareid were already numbered in 1972 when I pulled the plug on the boob tube, and basically there is no news anymore, just the chattering class that makes one or another category of people feel happy by listening to their quips, spin and sarcasm.

    (Incidentally: That’s how Hillary reacted to the rise of Al Jazeera, saying that Al Jazeera presented news, whereas all we get on American TV was a string of arguments between talking heads interrupted by commercials… remember that? She said it before Congress.)

    Fox seems to carry some people who live in a balanced world of common sense, such as Greta Van Susteren and Wolf Blitzer. Maybe Morning Joe. You think they’re going to bash Hillary? Then write to their advertisers and ask the advertisers if they really want to pay for such unfair coverage. That may have some effect.

    But what will have the most effect is just to pull the plug and flush the TV down the drain, then not buy any of those products anymore. It’s a win-win outcome.

  87. Rep. Young on Obamacare: ‘This is What Betrayal Looks Like’

    Reciting a litany of horror stories on the negative effects of Obamacare in the nation’s heartland, Republican Indiana Rep. Todd Young declared: “This is what betrayal looks like.”

    “Here you have hardworking people who were repeatedly told not to worry, that their coverage would stay the same and­if anything­their costs would go down,” Young said in Saturday’s Weekly Republican Address. “Just the opposite is happening.”

    http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/gop-address-young-obamacare/2013/11/09/id/535742?promo_code=F323-1&utm_source=Life_Site_News&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

  88. Here is some more evidence that Hillary is not backing out on her lifelong concerns:

    Hillary Clinton Helps Pitch Hollywood on Early Childhood, Public Service Storylines
    Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images
    NOVEMBER 8, 2013 | 08:54PM PT

    Hillary Clinton and her daughter Chelsea headlined an event at the Paley Center for Media on Friday to encourage Hollywood content creators to incorporate into their shows storylines about national service and early childhood development.

    Shonda Rhimes, Lena Dunham, Ted Danson and Mark Gordon were among those at the event, one of a trio of public appearances that Clinton has planned in Los Angeles on Friday and Saturday.

    Rob Reiner moderated a panel that included the Clintons, ServiceNation executive director Zach Maurin and childhood advocate James Steyer. Steyer has partnered with Clinton in an initiative called Too Small to Fail.

    Maurin said that a goal was to start a conversation with the creative community about writing stories that reflect the two issues, yet to do so in a way that “respects the creative process.” He said that ServiceNation was working to build a presence in Hollywood “so that we can be a resource to the creative community.” ServiceNation is promoting the concept of young people devoting a year of full-time national service, including via AmeriCorps, which was established under President Bill Clinton.

    “This is the type of effort that could give the issue more visibility and more momentum,” he said. Clinton noted that a “reason she is out of politics right now is she wants to reengage” on the two issues.

    ************

    I think Hillary’s on the right track here, because content generators in the media are sorely in need of some good ideas that will grip the public.

    I for one am a sucker for humor like Shadowfax; but I am also a sucker for true stories in the movies and TV.

    There is a mine of true public service stories that I would go for if they are handled correctly by Hollywood; but some fiction in this field could also be generated. Fictional stories revolving around a public service story are not entirely new; but it would be a better source, to my mind, than action films glorifying violence and martial arts heroes (which I refuse to see).

  89. There is a minority push to get Sebelius to resign. I am not in favor of it, because I want the sacrificial lamb here to be Obama, and no one else. As long as he has conceded most magnanimously that he is responsible, and the buck stops with him, I would be inclined to take him up on that and push for impeachment. However, on that score, I would be in the minority, particularly with the entrenched wusses who run the opposing party, and have a genius for losing elections.

    Kathleen however presents something of a problem for Obama. What he wanted from her he got, namely a lie that he asked and she assured him it was all systems go on the website. He never asked, and nobody wanted to tell him. On the larger question, Krauthammer is spot on. Obama knew all along that millions would lose their coverage, that was indeed the plan, because that was the only way they could be herded into government exchanges where they could be forced to buy insurance they did not need, with higher premiums and deductibles, which means that when he promised 28 times that they could keep their coverage prior to the election, he engaged in fraud writ large. He looks small and pathetic now as he tries to lie his way out of it, and big media has momentarily extracted their collective mouth from his zipper.

    What makes Kathleen a problem is she is political royalty in the Democrat Party. Her father was the Democrat governor of Ohio, she was not only Governor of Kansas but was also chairman of the Democrat Governors Association. She is a woman and won two terms in a red state. Prior to that she was insurance commissioner, lobbyist for the trial lawyers association and executive director. She was a key player in luring insurance companies from the Democrat to the Republican Party. Before this debacle, she was a solid candidate for Vice President–and I would have supporter her. Not so now however, because her vision for the country is anathema to mine. (Note: if there is such a thing as the Daschle machine, she would be a key part of it).

    You can see perhaps why Obama has not moved to remove her. A logical future time to do so will be at the end of this month when the website is still not fixed, but I doubt it will happen then either. Unless it becomes politically imperative, she will hang around. I just cannot see her stepping aside voluntarily I doubt that will happen because that would be an admission of defeat, and she would wear this albatross around her neck until the end of her days. And I doubt the Chicago crew has the clout to force her out, if she does not want to go.

    I am going to take a wild guess and say the website will be up and running if not by the end of this month, then prior to Christmas. I think that statement by the website expert they brought in, that they are a long ways for a fix it part and parcel of something Guliani said in his book: under promise and over deliver. Messiahs however are exempt from the law. I think the real problem here is the substance of the new law. It is not a question of whether but how badly it will screw up our system. And the final irony in all is the putative justification for this law is to expand coverage to the uninsured, the immediate term effect will be to deny coverage to those who have it.

    The American People are abysmally stupid when it comes to politics. Whether they can draw the line in their tiny brains between Obamacare, higher premiums, higher deductibles, unwanted coverage, etc. when big media will do everything within its power to defend Obama, is an imponderable.

  90. From “SFGate” (San Francisco), a little pouting:

    Hillary Clinton should give media access to events

    When Democrats think about the White House in 2016, one name dominates: Hillary Rodham Clinton. That’s why even a paid speech to a trade group and a drop-in visit to charity merit press coverage. A would-be president bears scrutiny wherever she goes.

    Unfortunately Clinton doesn’t accept this political reality. She wants to dodge the rightful focus that accompanies her long career in public life. Clinton is barring the press from two appearances in San Francisco on Saturday with no explanation.

    The media will be prevented from hearing her speak to a convention gathering of 7,000 Realtors and a fundraiser for the Clinton Foundation, where she’ll be accompanied by daughter Chelsea. Clinton’s remarks to the real estate group will be a paid-for appearance similar to others she’s made to trade groups. The foundation gathering will be pitched to longtime Clinton boosters.

    Neither event is being billed as a major address. Also, it’s unrealistic to think that eager real estate agents or Clinton fans won’t have smartphones at the ready to catch whatever the former first lady, New York senator and secretary of state has to say. Clinton may be officially a private citizen right now, but it’s a meaningless distinction for a person of her prominence and White House ambitions.

    Her reluctance to allow the press in could be a strategy to stay under the public radar while she plans her future. Or it could be a desire to control her image carefully, a tendency many politicians have. But keeping out of sight risks appearing indifferent and hard to reach. It also thwarts the public’s right to know and vet a brewing candidacy.

    Clinton should reconsider her stance. The public, not just a select few, deserves to hear what she’s saying. It’s especially important as momentum builds for a White House run. Clinton should let the journalists in.

  91. The hearings tell the story about Kathleen, and how wired she is into the establishment. Former Senator Bob Dole sat with her at the senate confirmation hearings–and he of course is a Republican, former Majority Leader, and presidential candidate. He was there to vouch for her and to warn senators who might be inclined to ask her tough questions to refrain from doing so. Notice too, that in the Obamacare hearings she said she told Obama it was ready, and no one followed up on that assertion. In other words, if she is not a website expert, then upon whom did she rely in forming that opinion. And why was there no performance bond? And why does she not insist that the contractors who failed her, the president, and the country, reimburse the taxpayers? Nobody asked those questions. Their silence on those points was deafening.

  92. It seems to me that this is one more element of proof for the prosecution, whose theory is that there is one set of rules for the political class, and another set of rules for the American People. We see this in the rules on insider trading, benefits, exemption from welfare, and so many others. In the words of Six Sigma, belts help belts.

    To which I say we need to take back the country, and that means we need a third party.

  93. wbboei: That’s what risk management is all about. It’s not a matter of instituting deductibles, but of spreading out risks.
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    In fact, there are a number of risk management strategies:

    1. avoid the risk: healthy life habits would be an example of this.

    2. self insure: if the risk is small in terms of frequency and severity, this is the most cost effective option, if the risk cannot be avoided. That is the rationale for deductibles and co-pays. If you run those costs through insurance, then it is very expensive, since insurance companies add 12-15% for administrative costs, plus profits

    3. transfer the risk: this involves contracting with a third party provider who can spread the risk to a pool of policy holders who have the same risk profile, pursuant to a valid underwriting scheme. (Note: in a property casualty context there are other transfer schemes, like hold harmless agreements, etc.)

    A sound risk management portfolio would incorporate each of these strategies.

  94. S 2:10

    I wondered what what the accomplishments of Elizabeth Warren were, so I searched and found out:

    Elizabeth Warren (born Elizabeth Herring, June 22, 1949) is an American bankruptcy expert, policy advocate, law professor, and United States Senate candidate. She chaired the oversight of the 2008 U.S. banking bailout, and led the conception and establishment of the U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She is also a professor of law at Harvard Law School, where she has taught contract law, bankruptcy, and commercial law, and has written several academic and popular books concerning the American economy and personal finance.

    —-> Sorry but this background does not make a US President in my book, at least not with this limited background. She is about as prepared as Baracko Bama.

  95. S
    November 9, 2013 at 1:36 am
    omg…Marie Antoniette is at it again…prepare yourself before you look…

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    My first attempt to look at this link, totally crashed Firefox.

    Now that I see the ugly witch hands and the scowl with pucker poses, the wet armpits in a white blouse was the icing on the cake. Seriously, this woman needs to look at her videos with a critical eye.

  96. The difference between a democrat and a republican today is clear in my mind:

    Democrats have more imagination, but their execution skills are faulty.

    Republicans lack imagination, but their execution skills are better by degree.

    With notable exceptions, neither one of them is worth a tinkers dam.

    Neither one of them are seriously interested in the welfare of the American People.

    It is all just rhetoric.

    Just you wait Henry Higgins, when they start raising taxes. Just you wait.

  97. Shadowfax
    November 10, 2013 at 1:35 pm
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    Warren’s resume is just like Barack. Being a law professor, she knows everything–they do you know, those law professor. And Harvard at that. Now we are in the genius range. Furthermore, being a first term senator, she carries with her all the wisdom (and other bullshit that passes for wisdom) associated with that august body. Finally, like Obama, Warren is an accomplished liar. Another affirmative action candidate–this time an Indian poseur.

    Experience? Who needs it. Warren will simply surround herself with the best and the brightest just like Barack did. And before we know it, there will be a new heaven and a new earth, which will appear like magic before our eyes. We all love a happy ending.

    Of course there is another way to look at her resume, and it calls to mind the reaction of a partner in a prestigious Chicago law firm Kirkland Ellis to a brief written by a late professor of mine who I liked very much. He commended my friend for his fine brief which he described as long as a whore’s dream and bare as a goats ass. In the balance I would be inclined to describe Warren’s resume accordingly, with infinite apologies to the goat.

  98. JesW

    Good luck on that one-man-band trying to band deductibles in health care.

    For an example, where I work, we have many choices as to what providers we can pick for health care, the only option without a deductible is Kaiser. (My choice) The other options are limited coverage with lower deductibles and monthly payments, or higher deductibles with a larger network of doctors, hospitals and coverage.

    Of the four different plans I can choose from at work, only Kaiser hasn’t changed since Barry’s plan rode into town. Two of the middle coverage/cost plans have been eliminated with two others added, but the new plans are much, much more expensive than the two they replaced. Only Kaiser has remained affordable for those of us that can’t afford deductibles and high monthly charges.

    You are receiving French heath care and I am glad they are saving your life. ObamaHellCare isn’t even close to what you are used to.

    How long has it been since you lived in the US and paid for our health care?

  99. go to Still4hill.com to see all the crowd that went to see Hillary speak at the event in SFCOI. It will make your day!

  100. Yup Warren is as unprepared as Barry and claiming her possible two drops of Native American blood shows how low she can go to sell herself as a minority.

    She stinks of the same bs that Obama did in 2007.

  101. Vcal

    November 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    _________________________________

    She looks so good! Refreshed, confident, healthy and she looks like she has lost a little weight as well! You are right, that pic made my day!

    Hillary 2016

  102. Obama is right out of Gilbert and Sullivan. If his first term was a symphony production of the Ruler of the Queens Navy, then his second term is a brass band production of A Policeman’s Life Is Not a Happy One. It would appear that the unaffordable care act has provided the criminal class in our society with new job prospects, gainful employment, and a helping hand up from the gutter.

    THE HIDDEN BENEFITS OF OBAMACARE:

    WHEN A FELON’S NOT ENGAGED IN HIS EMPLOYMENT (his employment)
    OR MATURING HIS FELONIOUS LITTLE PLANS (little plans)
    HIS CAPACITY FOR INNOCENT ENJOYMENT (-cent enjoyment)
    IS JUST AS GREAT AS ANY HONEST MAN’S (honest mans)

    OUR FEELINGS WE WITH DIFFICULTY SMOTHER (-culty smother)
    WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY’S TO BE DONE (to be done)
    AH, TAKE ONE CONSIDERATION WITH ANOTHER (with another)
    A POLICEMAN’S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE

    AHHH
    WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY’S TO BE DONE, TO BE DONE,
    A POLICEMAN’S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE.

    WHEN THE ENTERPRISING BURGLARS NOT A’BURGLING (not a’burgling)
    WHEN THE CUT THROAT ISN’T OCCUPIED IN CRIME (-pied in crime)
    HE LOVES TO HEAR THE LITTLE BROOK A’GURGLING (brook a’gurgling)
    AND LISTEN TO THE MERRY VILLAGE CHIME (village chime)

    WHEN THE COSTER’S FINISHED JUMPING ON HIS MOTHER (on his mother)
    HE LOVES TO LIE A’BASKING IN THE SUN (in the sun)
    AH, TAKE ONE CONSIDERATION WITH ANOTHER (with another)
    A POLICEMAN’S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE

    AHHH
    WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY’S TO BE DONE, TO BE DONE,
    A POLICEMAN’S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE (happy one).
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    PSA: #Obamacare drawing con-men like rotten meat draws flies.

    By: Moe Lane (Diary) | November 10th, 2013 at 02:30 PM | 1

    Don’t believe me? Then maybe you’ll believe that notorious right-wing Tea Party rag The New York Times:

    To the list of problems plaguing President Obama’s health care law, add one more — fraud.

    With millions of Americans frustrated and bewildered by the trouble-prone federal website for health insurance, con men and unscrupulous marketers are seizing their chance. State and federal authorities report a rising number of consumer complaints, ranging from deceptive sales practices to identity theft, linked to the Affordable Care Act.

    Madeleine Mirzayans was fooled when a man posing as a government official knocked on her door. Barbara Miller and Maevis Ethan were pitched by telemarketers who claimed to work for Medicaid. And Buford Price was almost caught by another trap: websites that look official but are actually bait set by fly-by-night insurance operators.

    (Via Hot Air Headlines) Seriously, it’s widely known at this point that the only real reason that we haven’t seen more fraud is because pretty much nobody can actually use the site. To the point where seeing the process apparently working smoothly should in itself set off warning bells. But before Democrats start breathing a sigh of misguided relief, they should chew on this:

    It is now becoming clear that the Obama administration will not have Health.care.gov fixed by December 1 so hundreds of thousands, or perhaps millions, of people will be able to smoothly enroll by January 1.

    Why do I say that? Look at this from the administration spokesperson’s daily Healthcare.gov progress report on Friday:

    Essentially what is happening is people [those working on the fixes] are going through the entire process. As we have fixed certain pieces of functionality, like the account creation process, we’re seeing volume go further down the application. We’re identifying new issues that we need to be in a position to troubleshoot.

    Does that sound like the kind of report you would expect if they were on track to fix this in less than three weeks?

    That’s from Bob Laszewski, who first hit the national scene last month when infamous neocon and Sarah Palin supporter Ezra Klein interviewed him for Klein’s column for the paleoconservative fish-rap Washington Post. I assume that I can stop with that line of sarcasm, right? – Because my point is that we’re one-third of the way through the month to a December 1st deadline, and two-thirds of the way through to a November 15th deadline, and if neither deadline is met by Obamacare there will be a whole passel of folks out there who will in fact mildly panic and start looking for insurance policies because Barack Obama canceled their existing ones. When and if (read: “when”) that happens there’s going to be a lot of hungry predators out there, licking their chops.

    So please be careful out there.

  103. The differences between this guy and Barack are 1) Media would never have reported this about BO 2) BO would not have confessed. But Wilson’s style is invigorating.
    White Republican Wins ‘Long Shot’ Election After Leading Voters To Believe He’s Black
    November 10, 2013
    SNIP [Wilson] came up with the strategy because he knew his chances of winning the election against 24-year Democratic incumbent Bruce Austin were quite thin.
    “I’d always said it was a long shot,” Wilson told Houston’s KHOU. “No, I didn’t expect to win.”
    Austin described Wilson’s campaign as “disgusting,” referring to Wilson’s use of fliers showing African-American faces and a caption of: “Please vote for our friend and neighbor Dave Wilson.”
    Wilson admitted simply using images found on the Internet.
    One of the mailers used said that Dave Wilson was “Endorsed by Ron Wilson – a longtime African-American, Democratic state legislator. However, the fine print below the slogan states, “Ron Wilson and Dave Wilson are cousins,” a reference to Wilson’s non-politically affiliated cousin who lives in Iowa.
    “He’s a nice cousin,” Wilson told KHOU, suppressing a laugh. “We played baseball in high school together. And he’s endorsed me.”
    In response to losing the election by 26 votes, Austin said he was seeking a recount.
    “I don’t think it’s good,” he said. “I don’t think it’s good for both democracy and the whole concept of fair play. But that was not his intent, apparently.”
    http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/10/white-republican-wins-election-after-leading-voters-to-believe-hes-black/
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    I’ve just watched a session of Inside Edition and in doing so have hit a new low. But it teased OReilly and Christie so I hung in there. Eh.
    But the shocker can when the subject of Lingerie Football was covered. I had no idea it existed. Am I the only one here not in the know? The league name has been changed to words which accommodate the acronym LFL and the women play for no pay and seem to incur many injuries. Sad on so many levels. Ridiculous too.

  104. wbboei…re: parties and differences

    imvho…when each party can honestly hold themselves as critical and as accountable for their own mistakes, corruption and failed ideas as they are in their attacks against the opposition then the American people will see real progress and benefit, otherwise as things stand it remains the insiders of each party that are the benefactors and who get rich and more powerful, and we the people, the taxpayers, just pay for their corrupt follies…

    …what a dreamer I am, fantasyland…especially with the complicit media protecting the insiders…Michael Goodwin had a good piece re: how the NYT actually makes things worse (as we know) for the people by protecting O

    http://nypost.com/2013/11/10/new-york-times-obama-cheerleading-harms-the-nation/

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    when we have the likes of Debbie Wasserman Shultz and her robotic, repeated talking points and lies to protect O…it becomes so obvious that the O Dimocratic Party has no real connection to the middle class…or reality…all they do is cover each other’s backs…and look out for themselves

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  105. Jeswezey…perhaps Dylan Ratigan, like others, just wanted a catastrophic plan…that was his choice…this is the intrinsic problem…Ocare was rushed thru congress on a party line with late night bribes and shenanghins…and no input or compromise of ideas from across the aisle…this was not the will of the people…and then the people were absolutley misled…you can parse it…you can split hairs about if it was technically a ‘lie’ or not…this is not what now millions of people expected from ocare…not even O supporters…

    …the majority of people did not want Ocare…and many believed their ‘lying/misleading’ President when he repeated over and over again that they could keep their insurance, keep their doctor and they would save over $2500…

    …none of that is true…and as Admin and others have indicated…when the employee mandate kicks in, the tip of the iceberg…will become the iceberg…because millions more will be cancelled…unless Obrain steps in to try to save his butt…

    …the bottom line is many Americans were happy either with the plan they had…or frankly some happy with no plan at all…now everyone is beginning to see that a fraud has been cast upon all of us…and realize they will be forced to cough up money they cannot afford for a policy they might not want or need or be forced to pay a penalty

    …and yet, we have the likes of Debbie WS still out there talking about how dims are going to win runnning on Ocare and everyone is going to be so happy, bla, bla, as she keeps repeating the lies that even O, is now, trying in his narcisstic way, to ‘apologize’ or at least acknowledge were not what he actually meant even though he said it over and over again…

    …we are now entering the ‘reality check’ phase…

  106. foxyladi14
    November 10, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    H/T MOTUS 🙂
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    That picture is worth 1000 words. Biden has that typical dumb as a post look on his face, Pel-ousy looks like Marie Antoinette at the Tulleries Palace worried that the rabble of Paris has gathered and are sharpening the devil’s tooth for its next victim, and Obama the boob looks like a card cheat whose bluff has just been called.

    As for Joe, the outburst did not really hurt him. In 2008, he issued an apology (he does a lot of that, but given what he is facing, it is understandable). He was censured by the House, strictly along party lines. He has since become the assistant whip. In 2012 he ran unopposed and won 96% of the vote. In other words, his approval rating is more than double that of the great Messiah Obama. Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels–right Barack?

  107. As noted, Scott Rassmussen has left the Rassmussen organization, Soros operatives are now running the show and the polling results they post fully reflect this change. At a time when other polling agencies have Obama at 39% approval, Soros operatives in the Rasmussen organization have goosed up his approval ratings to 46%. They are now as bad as the infamous CNN pollster Keating Holland who has always been in the bag for Obama. No integrity whatsoever.

  108. I agree that Warren does not have sufficient experience.

    J’wezey, It matters about whether Obama lied or was ignorant of the fact that people would lose insurance. It matters if legislators knew. Had Obama not repeatedly assured the public that they could keep insurance policies, it’s reasonable to deduce that the passage of ACA might have been prevented. If not prevented – then at least, people would have demanded more information about the full impact of Ocare.

    The question of whether ACA will or will not improve America’s health care system in the years to come is irrelevant. If Obama lied about this, which we know damn well he did, deliberately withholding critical information about the impact on individual policies of Americans in order to pass ACA, he circumvented democratic process in order to fundamentally and comprehensively change a system that so profoundly impacts the lives and health of Americans. There is no justification for this. He has behaved like a two-bit dictator throughout his presidency, but passing ACA by lying, manipulating, bribing and threatening, is a new low – even for Obama.

    Obama and the Dems abused their power and misused the power of their offices. People are dying because of the passage of this law – now, in real time. I guess to them it no longer matters whether Obama lied or was just incompetent. But to the rest of us, it should.

  109. Jbstonesfan: you need to be aware of this, if you are not already . . . . .

    “The impression left is that the US, working behind the scenes w/Iran, sought to present its allies w/a fait accompli.”

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/what-went-wrong-and-more/#more-70489

    (Note: this is Soros’s work. He wants to do business with Iran. He was instrumental in denying covert assistance to the young revolutionaries in Iran. In addition, Immelt at General Electric has been waiting five years to do business with the Moolahs and that was part of the quid pro quo for his political support. This was also the key foreign affairs priority of the administration, as set forth in Foreign Affairs Magazine. I have grave misgivings about Hillary supporting these people. They are both backstabbers. That is a well known fact about Soros. But among the business elites who deal with him, Immelt is known to be a snake. I have been told this directly. Some jobs czar.)

  110. “Immelt is known to be a snake. ”
    *****
    When he was Obama’s “Job Czar”, GE moved their entire medical imaging division to China. The biggest beneficiaries of Obama delaying the northern portion of the Keystone pipeline and expediting the southern part of the pipeline are Buffett and Imelt. GE, in addition to being a major locomotive manufacturer, has the largest fleet of oil tanker cars for lease.

    Follow the money.

  111. Isn’t it amazing. The deal falls through because France doubts what Iran can be trusted. The thought that Iran could not be trusted never entered Obama’s pin head–or Kerry’s Harvard trained empty head. So long as Iran qualifies as an enemy of the United States, Obama will step on our allies and make any deal they want for the sake of his useless legacy.

    The victims of this deal were Israel and the democracy forces inside Iran. It would have legitimatized their leadership in the eyes of the world, shut the door on democracy, and allowed them to continue building the bomb. Most important however, it would have unfrozen the financial assets of the Iranian leaders purloined from the Iranian People. Obama is Neville Chamberlain at Munich. The damage he is doing is irreparable.

  112. Yet another 1,000 page bill that will be passed in the dead of night that will harm the American people. I wonder if the AA communtiy realizes what this amnesty bill will do to their chances for employment?

    God help this nation survive the next 3 years. I know this is a long article, but it needs to be read because our government sucks at “comprehensive” anything. Obamacare has more than proved this.

    “According to new national polling data from Pew Research, the American people have revolted against President Barack Obama’s and the GOP establishment’s efforts to grant amnesty to America’s at least 11 million illegal immigrants through comprehensive immigration reform.
    “Only about a third of the public (32%) approves of the job Obama is doing on immigration policy; 60% disapprove,” Pew wrote. “Obama’s ratings for this issue among Democrats are mixed: About half (53%) approve of his handling of the issue while 42% disapprove.”
    Obama’s 60 percent disapproval rating on immigration from the American people is an all-time high for him on the issue and puts him on par with former President George W. Bush’s immigration polling numbers. Obama’s immigration disapproval rating has skyrocketed as he has ramped up his efforts to lobby Congress for the passage of an amnesty—particularly the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” immigration bill.
    As the American people have learned more and more about the Gang of Eight bill and the effects which amnesty and a drastic influx of millions of new workers would have on the hurting economy, they have grown more and more outraged with what Washington, D.C., is doing regarding immigration reform. In February—before Obama and lawmakers like Sens. John McCain (R-AZ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Chuck Schumer (D-NY), and DIck Durbin (D-IL) began their push for immigration reform—the President’s immigration policy approval rating among the American people, according to Pew, was higher than his disapproval rating. His approval rating on immigration then was 44 percent, whereas his disapproval rating was 43 percent.
    Over the next several months, the Obama administration worked with the Senate Democrats and a handful of Senate Republicans to develop the more-than-thousand-page-long Gang of Eight bill. The administration helped Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid rush the bill to the floor with hardly any substantive review from members, staffers, the media, and the American people.
    In mid-June, before the Senate bill passed and as its ultimate passage became questionable, Obama’s Pew Research disapproval rating on immigration spiked up to 47 percent, and his approval rating on the issue dropped to 43 percent. With the public beginning to turn against amnesty, the Senators pushing for it cobbled together a series of amendments designed to win over extra votes in the Senate—like the Corker-Hoeven plan for their votes, casino kickbacks for Sen. Dean Heller’s vote, “Lobster Bait” for Susan Collins’ vote, and a seafood processing deal for Lisa Murkowski’s vote, among others—and rammed the bill through to final passage in the Senate.
    Since then, Obama’s immigration disapproval rating, according to Pew, has skyrocketed to 60 percent. That disapproval rating is higher than George W. Bush’s ever was, according to a Pew chart on page 12 of the report, save one exception: in April 2006, Bush’s immigration disapproval rating reached 62 percent.
    As Obama’s disapproval ratings reach all-time highs because of his support for amnesty, Republicans keep the issue alive. While House Majority Whip Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) says the issue will not receive any votes in the House in 2013, which is probably true, the effort to grant amnesty from House GOP leadership is alive and well—and likely to continue in early 2014.
    Officials like Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Reince Priebus and House Budget Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) keep offering Obama cover by continuing to push for some kind of immigration package. In an interview this week with Bloomberg’s Al Hunt, Priebus continued pushing for amnesty.
    “I think it can happen, and I think people like Paul Ryan and others still want something like that to happen,” Priebus said this week. “It could happen next year, I don’t think there’s any sort of midnight hour here.”
    Ryan is in the process of drafting a bill that would grant America’s at least 11 million illegal immigrants legal status. “A lot of people are saying, just pass the Senate bill,” Ryan said this summer at a town hall event in Racine, Wisconsin. “That’s not what the House is going to do. I think we can make it better.”
    Priebus and Ryan, if they keep pushing down this road, face the fate of what happened to Senator Rubio after he pushed for amnesty. Rubio has since backed off the push and publicly undercut the efforts of House GOP leadership to pass any group of piecemeal bills with the goal of getting to a conference committee negotiation with the Democratic Senate–from which a comprehensive immigration reform conference report like the Senate bill would arise. Rubio’s backtracking on the issue, and complete reversal of support for his own bill, came after the American people turned on him for supporting such a plan. Polling data over the past several months showed the once-promising presidential candidate tanking among Republican voters.
    House GOP leadership could technically kill this once and for all by promising publicly what Homeland Security Committee chairman Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) has advocated: that there will never be a conference committee with the Senate bill. However, they have left the door open, as pressure from lobbyists and groups funded by left-wing billionaire George Soros ratchet up pressure on House Republicans to pass an amnesty.
    If such legislation as the Gang of Eight bill were ever to become law, it would be considered President Obama’s signature second-term legislative achievement, much like Obamacare is his first term’s signature achievement. The difference from Obamacare is that Republicans like Priebus and Ryan are helping him achieve it, at least for now—largely because the donor community on Wall Street wants this policy.
    Despite all the pressure from donors and special interests to do what Ryan and Priebus are doing, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, offers a different pathway forward for the GOP: flip this whole debate on its head, undercut amnesty, and make the Democrats wear the blame for having fought against the interests of American workers.
    “In changing the terms of the immigration debate we will not only prevent the implementation of a disastrous policy, but begin a larger effort to broaden our appeal to working Americans of all backgrounds,” Sessions wrote in a memo to his GOP colleagues this summer.
    Now is the time to speak directly to the real and legitimate concerns of millions of hurting Americans whose wages have declined and whose job prospects have grown only bleaker. This humble and honest populism—in contrast to the Administration’s cheap demagoguery—would open the ears of millions who have turned away from our party. Of course, such a clear and honest message would require saying “no” to certain business demands and powerful interests who shaped the immigration bill in the Senate.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/10/Public-revolts-against-political-Obama-s-and-establishment-s-amnesty-efforts

  113. freespirit
    November 10, 2013 at 10:54 pm

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    freespirit…I so agree with your comments…and that is not too mention the other big, big, big elephant in the room that hardly anyone even mentions…and that is the actual medical community…the actual health givers…the doctors, the nurses, etc…

    all we hear about is O, the dims and the insurance companies…these three sides have nothing to do with the actual health care people will be receiving…and if you listen to…or talk to any doctors…many of them say they were never consulted by O or the dims and they do not have the slightest idea what O has in mind for regulations for them…they have no idea what they will be paid etc and they know an increased onslaught of patients will be coming…who is to actually care for all these new patients?? and how will they be paid…doctors are not socialists…they have invested heavily in the education…many still in debt…they expect to be paid fairly…not regulated out of existence as they are stipped of all their decision making power…

    hence, many of them will say ‘thanks, but no thanks’ and do something else…thereby adding to and increasing the already shortage of doctors…or go into ’boutique medicine’…and as some of us have mentioned before…there is no way in hell doctors are going to stick around when O and the Dims decide to take their dictatorship further to try to force them to see quotas of patients, etc for practically nil…

    J’wezey…this is why so many here in the USA feel this is the beginning of the end of the quality of health care the USA has been known for…

    a perfect example of what many fear has already occurred recently and in full view and blatantly by Kathleen Sebelius…

    if you recall…there was a 10 year girl who I believe needed a lung transplant and suffered from cystic fibrosis…Kathleen, speaking on behalf of the govt, said No, and denied the girl the transplant…the young girl would have died within weeks, but a court intervened and the girl received the transplant and has been steadily improving and I think was released from the hospital about 1-2 weeks ago…if it had been left to O and Kathleen Sebelious that 10 year old girl would be dead today…

    …this is what we can expect with Ocare…cold hearted, detached beaucrats making life and death decisions that will effect our health and lives…as we become less and less in control of our own fates and have fewer choices to make for ourselves…

    I do not believe seniors will continue to get anywhere near the care that say our parents, as seniors, have been able to receive…for example, I doubt very much that Ocare will allow for multiple stents on patients in their 80’s…stents that prolong their lives in their old age…imo…those days will be gone…and seniors will just be sent off to hospice to quietly depart…that is what I see coming down the road with Ocare…

    there is way, way too much room for the govt to be corrupted and play favorites…as we have already seen the O admin is so very willing to do…

  114. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, offers a different pathway forward for the GOP: flip this whole debate on its head, undercut amnesty, and make the Democrats wear the blame for having fought against the interests of American workers.
    “In changing the terms of the immigration debate we will not only prevent the implementation of a disastrous policy, but begin a larger effort to broaden our appeal to working Americans of all backgrounds,” Sessions wrote in a memo to his GOP colleagues this summer.
    Now is the time to speak directly to the real and legitimate concerns of millions of hurting Americans whose wages have declined and whose job prospects have grown only bleaker. This humble and honest populism—in contrast to the Administration’s cheap demagoguery—would open the ears of millions who have turned away from our party. Of course, such a clear and honest message would require saying “no” to certain business demands and powerful interests who shaped the immigration bill in the Senate.”
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    Jeff is the real deal. He may be the best member of congress. I do not like to see Cruz opting out of efforts to unseat Republicans like McConnell, who never once in his life thought about what was best for this country, and only what is best for his perks and pocketbook. Corker, Houeven, and that silly jackass Dean Heller–3 of the biggest traitors in congress. We have more corruption in our government today than at any time in our nation’s history. It is a cesspool.

  115. It was the biggest political mistake that Rubio could have ever made, signing on to this gang of eight abortion. Whoever advised him to do that–most likely Jebediah Bush, is an idiot. An idiot with presidential aspirations and the name Bush is not just an idiot, but is a total idiot.

  116. Some encouragement from The Guardian:

    Hillary Clinton is the most formidable presidential frontrunner in modern era

    All the variables that predict primary winners from polling to endorsements are working more in her favor than in 2008

    Hillary Clinton remains the most formidable presidential nomination frontrunner for a non-incumbent in the modern era. As I wrote about last year, Clinton’s combination of a number of factors made her strength pretty much unprecedented. Clinton has, if anything, become stronger over the last 12 months.

    Clinton’s polling among Democrats is still incredible. The latest Public Policy Polling (PPP) survey has her at 67% of the vote among Democrats nationally. That compares to 61% in December 2012. The fact that her numbers have if anything gone up is a very good sign for her. It shows that her numbers weren’t merely inflated because she held the non-partisan secretary of state position, as they were for general election electorate.

    Some might want to dismiss the predictiveness of early polling. Some may want to point to Clinton or Rudy Giuliani in 2008. The problem with that point of view in my opinion is that most early front-runners didn’t put up anywhere near the same numbers Clinton is doing for 2016. Clinton was about 30pt lower in 2008 than she is now. Giuliani was about 35pt lower than Clinton now.

    Other candidates too were simply not close. George W Bush was stuck in the mid 20s for the 2000 Republican nomination. His father was in the low 40s for 1988. Colin Powell was in the mid 20s and mid 30s for his 1996 and 2000 no-goes respectively. Bob Dole was in the high 30s for 1996.

    The only candidate anywhere close to Clinton was Al Gore for 2000. Gore had long been in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Gore went on to waltz to the nomination in the single strongest non-incumbent performance in the modern era. He won every single primary and took 76% of the primary vote.

    Clinton’s numbers look a lot more like an incumbent. Bush was in the low 70s for 1992. Clinton was in the low 60s to low 70s for 1996. Obama mostly was in the low to mid 60s for 2012, even when matched up against Hillary Clinton.

    Moreover, Clinton’s edge extends to the early caucus and primary states. Your national numbers can be amazing, but if you don’t win either Iowa or New Hampshire, you’re likely not going anywhere. Clinton is in the mid 60s in New Hampshire and the low 70s in Iowa.

    A peak under the hood should give Clinton more confidence still. Her favorable rating among Democrats nationally per Quinnipiac is 90% compared to just 4% who viewed her unfavorably. That suggests that it isn’t just name recognition that is catapulting Clinton at this time.

    Almost all other factors that made Clinton strong when I wrote my last article remain the same. She’s got the organization in place in the early states thanks to her 2008 run, while pretty much any other candidate would need to start fresh. Clinton remains incredibly well polished in public speaking, as she was in 2008. I mean she says pretty much nothing to possibly get in trouble.

    Importantly, there is no sign of anyone like Barack Obama contemplating a run. Clinton’s coalition of women, non-college educated whites, and Latinos was just beat out by Obama’s of African-Americans, college-eduated whites, and young voters. All Clinton needs to do is take a little bit of Obama’s 2008 base that ensured his nomination.

    The only candidate in my mind who could catch fire, Massachusetts’ Senator Liz Warren, has already declared her support for Clinton. In fact, every single female Democratic senator is behind Clinton. What a difference that is from 2008 !

    Much of the establishment was actually encouraging Obama to run in 2008. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid weren’t backing Clinton. Claire McCaskill’s endorsement of Obama in 2008 was particularly memorable. All three of them are now openly pleading for and endorsing Clinton for 2016.

    That’s big news because a candidate who clearly wins the “invisible primary” usually takes the nomination. Primary voters can get confused between candidates whose ideology is very similar, so they look to the party elders. It’s how Mitt Romney was able to take down Newt Gingrich in 2012. Clinton will have invisible primary advantage, which she didn’t have in 2008.

    Overall, there are many reasons to think Hillary Clinton will win the 2016 nomination, if she were to run. There are not many reasons to think she’s going to repeat her 2008 performance. Every factor that forecasts nomination winners points more strongly in her direction than it did eight years ago. Now, none of this means Clinton will take the general election; but you have to get there first to have a shot.

  117. wbboei November 11, 2013 at 1:21 am:
    “It was the biggest political mistake that Rubio could have ever made, signing on to this gang of eight abortion.”

    Perhaps the biggest, but not the first. I think his self-adulating bullshit rejoinder to the SOTU turned a lot of people off. For my part, I’ve never been attracted to silver-tongued bullshitters.

  118. freespirit November 10, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    It matters about whether Obama lied or was ignorant of the fact that people would lose insurance….

    The question of whether ACA will or will not improve America’s health care system in the years to come is irrelevant….

    I respectfully disagree with both these statements, especially the latter.

    Because, if the ACA does indeed lead to some improvements, the former issue will be totally irrelevant and we will be eating crow; and if the ACA does not improve or in fact worsens the healthcare system, then that healthcare system will be even more in need of change than it was in 2010, and that will affect the lives of the whole country and needless to say will affect Hillary’s chances in 2016.

    People are dying because of the passage of this law – now, in real time.

    I don’t know where you get off making a statement like this; but let’s assume for a second that it’s true:

    If you thus recommend repealing the ACA outright, it can only be out of spite for the “lying, manipulative, bribing and threatening” people who crafted and passed the law, but you have expressed no substitutes for that law!

    And if right-minded people (such as Hillary) were ever to craft a new law, it would contain many of the elements in the ACA, and then some, which would be equivalent to improving the ACA.

    So, I think it is quite pertinent at this point in time to investigate and suggest ways to improve the ACA, assuming it lives on.

  119. S November 10, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    “…perhaps Dylan Ratigan, like others, just wanted a catastrophic plan…that was his choice…this is the intrinsic problem….”

    Of course that is what Ratigan wanted (after all, he did it willingly!) and it is indeed the basic problem.

    In order to get to universal healthcare on a fair basis for all, we can’t have people picking and choosing what coverage they want, on the basis of pre-conditions or no pre-conditions, such as “No one in my family has ever had cancer, so I am not cancer-prone and don’t want coverage for it.” That is what the insurers used to do, and now customers can do it. It’s pernicious and stupid both ways.

    The intrinsic problem in the ACA is that an insufficient effort was made to avoid cherry-picking both on the part of the insurers but also on the part of the insured. A middle course was chosen. The very idea of having 50 different plans that people can choose from is a sop to the American “free-market, free-competition” religion.

    Hillary’s “American Health Choices Plan” was constructed the same way; but there was a public option that would have had full coverage at the same price for everyone, and with the low (4%) overhead of Medicaid – in fact, I’m pretty sure Hillary suggested in one debate that the Medicaid system be used as a starting point, allowing people to buy into it. Of course, the indigent would still be covered, but lower income subscribers would get subsidies. Thus the €150 billion price tag on her plan.

    Hillary’s plan was named “…Health Choices” to avert the criticism of “socialized medicine” and make the plan sound all-American. But, as I’ve said many times now, the public option would have attracted tens of millions of customers and eventually squeeze the private insurers out of business or into mergers/acquisitions leading to a small number of specialized private insurers.

    I hear and agree with your complaints about late-night shenanigans, no input from across the aisle, no compromise, etc.; but I am not the one parsing and splitting hairs, because I don’t care who knew what when, who was lying or just a plain boob. The plain fact is that, with or without Obamacare, American healthcare was already a shambles before Obamacare came into existence, and may or may not be more of a shambles now. The bottom line is, What can we do to get out of this mess now?

  120. Another election stolen. It makes me want to say “Why Bother Voting”?
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    Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud Found in Virginia Governor’s Race

    Richmond, VA–Merely hours after the close of a bitter and divisive Governor’s race in Virginia that saw Democrat Terry McAuliffe pull out a win over Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, irregularities in voting data have emerged. According to mainstream media outlets McAuliffe supposedly defeated Cuccinelli in a razor-thin 47-46 percent victory to become the next Governor of the great state of Virginia.

    Immediately following the announcement, Cuccinelli’s office opened a full investigation into the legitimacy of the vote and quickly turned up surprising results. In 13 districts, multiple instances of intimidation at the polls were reported. Large black men wearing traditional Black Panther garb were reported lingering around polling places approaching older voters asking questions about who they intended on voting for. In Loudoun and Fairfax counties (traditional Democratic strongholds), election officials withheld submitting voter data in order to get an idea of whether to count absentee ballots or not. In an audit of the voter registration information, it quickly became apparent that MULTIPLE votes were cast by people who were either deceased or had long ago moved out of the district.

    According to exit polling Cuccinelli won the race by big margins reaching a high percent of the key voting blocks of women, Latinos and Blacks.

    Cuccinelli was a target of large amounts of out of state financing as the Democrats set out to make the race be a referendum against the Tea Party movement. McAuliffe got a late boost from Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as Joe Biden, who campaigned hard for the Democrat.

    Even in defeat Cuccinelli reminded voters that the election was in fact a referendum against President Obama’s Affordable Care Act. “Despite being outspent by an unprecedented $15 million,” he said, ”this race came down to the wire because of Obamacare. That message will go out across America tonight.”

    Sources within Cuccinelli’s office have warned that “this is not over” and that Ken will be challenging the results of the election in court.

    http://federalistpress.com/evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud-found-in-virginia-governors-race.php

  121. jeswezey
    November 11, 2013 at 3:27 am

    The bottom line is, What can we do to get out of this mess now?

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    start all over again…

    Where is it that you live? did you say France??

    I have not read all your postings word for word so I’m not sure if you have included the notion that Ocare is corrupt…that there are alot of deals and payoffs behind the scenes that are making a lot of people a lot of money that have nothing to do with “health care” (starting with the failing website disaster at @ $500 MILLION ALREADY SPENT AND COUNTING AND THE $ 4.4 BILLION THAT HAS BEEN SPENT SETTING UP THE EXCHANGES) – God help us when they get to dictating our health care – especially when many of the customers they were expecting don’t show up…and now there are more uninsured because many opted for the penalty)…

    or as I mentioned, many of the doctors are considering bolting all together…again, Ocare does not represent the will of the american people…the problem is Ocare is/was theortical (according to O and the dims with a big dose of Chicago) and not based in a workable reality (just assuming that all the young people were going to flock to ocare is the first indicator)…it was thrown together…

    Americans, we like our choices and we do not like being forced or penalized to buy something we don’t want or may not need…OR maybe cannot AFFORD…perhaps this is a major difference in the mentality here as compared to the european…or french…preferences…I don’t know…

    a recent poll, i think it might be this week’s Pew, states that about a third of the people that are not even tuning in and not paying any attention and have no interest in ocare…

    If Hillary is foolish enough to support Ocare or try to promote this mess then she will have as much trouble as O…let’s hope she does not try to pull a Debbie WS…

    and finally because so many people are now waking up to higher premiums, copays, deductibles, etc…that means they now have less money, if they even have the extra money to begin with…there are alot of people living paycheck to paycheck, if they even have a job (1 out of 3 not working)…now they have less money to do other things with…so less money goes into the overall economy…an economy that is stagnant and producing very few good jobs…most of the jobs being produced are low paying service jobs or part time and seasonal jobs…

    …this whole Ocare fiasco is ass backwards and will be destructive on so many levels…

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    btw…this is off topic…but I was speaking to a friend of mine earlier who said that next year all the FDIC banks are going to start charging 1% for all transactions…deposits/withdrawls, etc…i have never heard this before and have no idea if it has any truth…but that will be the last freaking straw…that the banks use our money to make themselves money and then they start charging us to use our money…it sounds too crazy to be true…but in the days of O and his penalties and scams anything is possible…

    signing off for now…

  122. CAUGHT ON TAPE: Dem Operative Assaults GOP Election Observer in Virginia

    A Democratic operative in Fairfax, Virginia was caught on tape this week tossing chairs and tables. When the cameras came out, the agitation went up. The Democrat is caught on tape at the 1:00 mark smiling as he smacks an Obenshain observer. The Virginia GOP posted the video this week.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/caught-on-tape-dem-operative-assaults-gop-election-observer-in-virginia/

  123. I recently said that there are at least a dozen women, both R and D, in addition to Hillary that I might support for a presidential bid. I’ve found a list of 18 such women that does not include Olympia Snowe or Jan Brewer (whom I would include), and some of them I admit are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don’t say that I would support any or all of these women, but here’s the list I found:

    Susana Martinez (R gov of NM)
    Elizabeth Warren
    Kelly Ayotte (R-NH, Senator)
    Kirsten Gillibrand
    Cathy Rodgers (R-Wash, representative, a “moderate”)
    Kamala Harris (D-CA, attorney general)
    Condoleezza Rice
    Amy Klobuchar (Dem-Framer-Labor Party of MN, US Senator)
    Nikki Haley (R gov of SC)
    Maggie Hassan (D gov of NH)
    Mary Fallin (R gov of OK)
    Sarah Palin
    Lisa Murkowski (R Alaska, Senator)
    Christine Gregoire (D governor of Washington)
    Michele Bachmann (Tea Party, MN)
    Kristi Noem (Tea Party, SD)
    Pam Bondi (FL att genl, R)

    Some of these don’t have the requisite experience; others have little or no political clout to start off with.

    Then again, there are plenty of male candidates who don’t measure up to these women. And, a lot of surprising things can happen in politics, such as happened to Palin, who would never have made it onto the national scene and this list without McCain’s surprise pick in 2008.

  124. 11/9/13. The White House is increasing its reliance on insurers by accepting their technical help in efforts to repair the problem-ridden online health insurance marketplace and prioritizing consumers’ ability to buy plans directly from the carriers. The Obama administration’s broader cooperation with insurers is a tacit acknowledgment that the federal insurance exchange — fraught with software and hardware flaws that have frustrated many Americans trying to buy coverage — might not be working smoothly by the target date of Nov. 30, according to several health experts familiar with the administration’s thinking. SNIP Insurers are eager to take on a larger role. But they, like consumers, have been stymied by the online system’s technical problems. During one step in enrolling customers — determining whether their income qualifies them for government help with paying for health plans — insurers must connect to part of the federal online system, and that part does not work. White House officials and insurance industry leaders have been talking about how to solve this problem, perhaps on a temporary basis, and insurers are insisting that they be allowed to keep any extra subsidy money they might accidentally be paid, said people familiar with these discussions who, like others interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the topic’s sensitive nature. SNIP
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-relying-more-on-insurance-carriers-to-help-fix-healthcaregov/2013/11/09/ecfcc294-489b-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html

  125. At the risk of annoying everyone here even more than I have over the last several days, I would like to comment on, and ask for your comments on, the following (edited) Wikipedia definition of the ACA. Again, my goal is constructive criticism:

    The ACA aims to:

    (1) increase the quality and affordability of health insurance [blah blah],

    (2) lower the uninsured rate by expanding public [Does that mean Medicaid?] and private insurance coverage, and

    (3) reduce the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government [meaning Medicare and Medicaid].

    The law requires insurance companies to

    (4) cover all applicants within new minimum standards and

    (5) offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex.

    It provides a number of mechanisms—including

    (6) mandates,

    (7) subsidies, and

    (8) insurance exchanges

    — in order to increase coverage and affordability.

    Additional reforms aim to reduce costs and improve healthcare outcomes by shifting the system towards quality over quantity through

    (9) increased competition,

    (10) regulation, and

    (11) incentives to streamline the delivery of healthcare.

    The Congressional Budget Office [note that the CBO is non-partisan] projected that the ACA will lower both future deficits and Medicare spending.

    Concerning point (3), I think the reference to “public insurance” must mean Medicaid, because I remember that states are called upon to expand their Medicaid programs as a prerequisite for federal help in setting up their exchanges. This means the states have to shoulder a share of the cost of the ACA or else their citizens will bear the brunt of increased costs, or won’t get federal subsidies or something like that. Please clarify if you can.…

    Point (4) seems to be a stumbling block for some of us that would prefer less-than-standard coverage at lesser cost. This imposition of 10 categories of care on all policies increases the cost of all policies taken together, without decreasing the cost for people who actually need the care.

    The problem here is that these new standards of coverage are a half-way measure. The ACA doesn’t go far enough in this respect. Full coverage should be imposed across the board, in which case there would only be a few (instead of 50) plans to choose from, and the choice would depend solely on the premium and on the level of deductible.

    The way it stands, the suppliers are offering customers a choice between a bicycle, a motorcycle, a car, an airplane or a truck all at different and very high prices, but not a bus that will get a lot of people to the same destination at the same time and at cut rate.

    I can understand people’s dismay at such a situation; but the solution is not to worry about who was lying to whom or manipulating the public at one time or another. The solution is rather to move toward full coverage for everyone under a single system.

    That is the fallacy of point (9) (increased competition). We Americans have this religious faith in free enterprise, which means to us that private companies can do whatever the hell they please and have only to compete with each other to bring prices down and keep the corporate noses clean.

    Anyone who believes this “increased competition” bullshit when it comes to health insurance will have to believe what I was telling Shadowfax the other day, which was that, once insurers know how many subscribers they have for one or another policy, they can reduce their premiums and indeed are incentivized to do so because they are allowed only 20% for overhead and profits and have to refund any more than that (the other 80% going to actual medical care).

    The ACA imposes this “increased competition” and we’ll just have to wait and see how much effect it has. It is still, in my opinion, a flimsy half-measure. I say the same, of course, about point (8), because the exchanges are just the artificial marketplace for this so-called “increased competition”.

    Concerning point (5), even the Republicans called it a “no-brainer” so I guess there is no dispute there.

    Point (6) was the mandate that everyone thought would bring down the ACA until the Supremes validated it as a “tax”.

    The greater issue, beyond constitutionality, is: Is the mandate desirable or necessary?

    My idea is that the mandate, both for employers and individuals, is necessary. Anyone who doesn’t agree with me here is also in disagreement with Hillary, by the way, because her plan had an individual mandate while the boob’s plan did not.

    The logic of the employer mandate is that a company that offers no coverage for its employees is operating at an unfair advantage over companies that do offer that coverage. I think that’s clear enough.

    The logic of the individual mandate is that people generally do not know how their health is going to evolve as life goes on, and never know if they’ll need their gall bladder removed at age 35, for example. If they have no coverage, they’ll get treatment anyway, it’s just that everyone else pays for it. If they have coverage and don’t fall sick, on the other hand, they will pay into a system that benefits other people, bring down the cost to other people.

    I know a lot of people get off the bandwagon at this point; but I do not. This is the logic behind all: You pay for fire insurance on your home but don’t demand a refund if your home doesn’t burn down.

    Of course, you can build your home in cinderblock and the insurer will offer you a lower rate. Maybe that’s what the various plans in the exchanges are for?

    In any event, I can tell you from experience with my own plan that such variation in rates is not necessary, would complicate the system, thereby making the system more expensive, and would be a disincentive to fund preventive medicine.

  126. Shadowfax November 10, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Good luck on that one-man-band trying to ban deductibles in health care.

    For an example, where I work…, the only option without a deductible is Kaiser. (My choice)”

    Wow! Congratulations! Yay “Kaiser”! And do you have anything near full coverage?

    “The other options are limited coverage with lower deductibles and monthly payments, or higher deductibles with a larger network of doctors, hospitals and coverage.”

    I can’t understand “lower deductibles”: Lower than Kaiser? But you just said Kaiser had no deductibles…??

    Anyway, “full coverage” in my system means not only all medical services (and more), but also all doctors and hospitals in France, and some outside of France (when you’re traveling in Europe or Japan, for example). I don’t know what it’s like to be limited to a small number of doctors and hospitals.

    “… only Kaiser hasn’t changed since Barry’s plan rode into town.”

    Then maybe Obamacare isn’t as pernicious as we’re all saying! You have a good plan you want to keep, and you can….

    “Two of the middle coverage/cost plans have been eliminated with two others added, but the new plans are much, much more expensive than the two they replaced. Only Kaiser has remained affordable for those of us that can’t afford deductibles and high monthly charges.”

    All of this is quite an advertisement for Kaiser, don’t you think?

    And as for the two new replacement plans, maybe their costs will eventually come down with the volume of trade, competition between plans and the 20% cap on overhead…. From my perch, I’m willing to wait and see; though for those caught in the pinch, all I can say is, “I feel your pain…” or go buy into the Kaiser plan….

    “You are receiving French heath care and I am glad they are saving your life. ObamaHellCare isn’t even close to what you are used to.”

    You’re right, there are huge differences. But can people outside California, or in the individual market, buy into Kaiser? It sounds pretty good, all told; and if more people bought into it, Kaiser could lower its premiums under the 20% rule….

    “How long has it been since you lived in the US and paid for our health care?”

    The last time I accessed health services in the US was in 2005. It went like this:

    I was diagnosed “bipolar” at a time when I was destitute and living in Florida. I went to a psycho clinic and they fed me a pack of medicine free of charge (the doctor told me they were samples from the drug company). The medicine induced depression (the doctor wanted to depress me so I wouldn’t go manic on her).

    After a year of depression, I pled with the doctor to change the medicine and she gave me something else – still free of charge – but I felt dizzy all the time and vomited all over the place like a carsick child.

    Then I came into some money and decided to return to France; but I stopped over at a friend’s in NY and the friend took me to his wife’s psychiatrist, who told me to stop cold turkey with the medicine I had just paid for ($400 for one box of useless capsules). I stopped the medicine but the dizziness remained.

    On the day before my trip back to France, my friend took me to the ER at the local hospital, where I waited for 2 ½ hours to see a doctor. The doctor ordered a CAT-scan of my head to check for a tumor, I guess, then gave me a little pill and told me to lie down for a few minutes. After 20 minutes or so, I got up and the dizziness was gone.

    When I got back to France, I received the hospital’s bill from their lawyer: $2700. The bill wasn’t itemized, so I can only guess that the cost was due mainly to the CAT-scan. Otherwise, I couldn’t believe they were charging me that much for waiting around, for the little pill, or for five minutes of the doctor’s time.

    Anyway, the “bipolar” condition continues now, but I am taking effective medicine that eliminates the bipolar effects and does not induce depression or dizziness, and is paid for by the French medical system.

    By the way, my bipolar medicine is a small dose of Depakote, which is available in the US, plus tablets of Tercian, a medicine that is not available in the US. The Tercian is very important, but neither the doctor in Florida nor the psychiatrist in NY had ever heard of it or any corresponding US drug.

    So, the difference between US and French medicine for me is not just a matter of price, but the quality of the drugs and services. It was not just the bipolar medicine that was lacking, but nobody seemed to know what was causing the dizziness (I’m convinced the ER doctor gave me a palliative.)

  127. Incidentally, Shadowfax, when I got back to France after an absence of two and a half years, I found that my medical coverage was still operational because whenever you leave your job or get fired, the full medical coverage remains intact for 40 months. It will be a long time before Obamacare (or even Kaiser) covers you that well!

  128. Leanora
    November 11, 2013 at 5:22 am

    Another election stolen. It makes me want to say “Why Bother Voting”?
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    I have been thinking that myself Leanora Why bother. 🙁

  129. As you can see from the attached article, the RINO is fine with Obamacare. All he intends to do is politic over it. Fixing the piece of shit is a snare, a delusion and an opportunity to stick it to his corrupt counterparts in the opposing party. These people dims and rinos are traitors to this nation. This bullshit by the Republican Senator from Wisconsin and Senator Tubby from Louisiana is typical of what this problem. Let people keep their existing insurance–is that what they are proposing. I am sorry, the train has left the station on that one, and there is no way now to restore the status quo ante. So what is the real purpose of this bogus political stunt by our arrogant political class, one of who supported Obamacare without reservation, and another who failed to do everything he and his party could have done to prevent it, beyond lying to their constituents, and secretly cheering it on. Why would the ask for the impossible and demand that existing coverages be continued? Same answer. It is just politics, and the intent is to bamboozle the stupidest people on earth, the American voter. How? By convincing them that the law that is not the force which is causing the collapse of our insurance system, it is the insurance companies. On the one hand, this is poetic justice since the insurance industry is behind this program, or at least they were. But the effort is fraudulent on its face, because the authors of this so called fix is unworkable, and yet they propose it anyway in order to mislead their constituents so they can reward their contributors. Again, the whole game here now, today, is to reward contributors, and to mislead the American people, rather than fixing their problems. That dynamic is what will cause the system to crash. The question is not whether, it is simply a matter of when. And the real tragedy is there is not a damned thing we can do about it.
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    “Obamacare cannot be fixed. Its damage cannot be mitigated. It can only be repealed. The GOP’s strategy should be to stick a repeal provision on every piece of legislation from now till Kingdom come — or at least till November 2014 — and watch red state Democrats in the House and Senate sweat.”

    http://www.redstate.com/2013/11/11/repeal-is-the-only-fix/

  130. A few people lost in la la land may be wakening up to the fact that Obama is more of a blithering idiot than a Messiah, but the rest of them–roughly half the country according to Soros run Rassmussen love what they are seeing. Maybe not love, but see him working for the greater good, as he plays nookie with Iran, and collapses the American economy. These loons clench their little fists, shake like a leaf and bleat it Obama Cares, and he is not a Republican. I think it is a distinction without a difference. I do agree, however, that Obama cares–but only about himself.

  131. CDS alert. Author is R {n 2010, Ehrlich ran again, hoping to defeat O’Malley, but lost again. Ehrlich then announced via his web site that he “will return to private life”. In October 2011 he was named as Chairman of Mitt Romney’s Maryland campaign for the 2012 Republican nomination for President.)
    and did not miss the opportunity to kick Hill/Bill briefly.
    The greater point is his choice of crude words.

    Obamacare is a turkey ready for slaughter
    Republicans should dig in their heals [sic] and continue the fight
    SNIP “We’ll take that”: The transfer of wealth (rather than the creation of same) is another fundamental tenet of progressivism. And this prized value is well represented in Obamacare’s 2,300 pages of text, 10,516 pages of regulations (as of Sept. 10), and 22 new tax increases. Total wealth transfer is unknowable, but assuredly monumental. The price tag represents the largest tax increase in U.S. history. SNIP
    “…today’s Obamacare defenders rant, rave and blame the GOP for Obamacare’s numerous problems. And, as always, there’s a frequent hint of Republican racism to explain the party’s united opposition to the bill. Well, enough is enough. Here’s hoping Republicans will not back off. Many were sent to Washington to oppose Obamacare. Many of their predictions are proving all too accurate. We can do better, but not with this turkey. Scrap it now, before it’s too late.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-ehrlich-obamacare-20131109,0,242676.column

  132. Lauer should shave off the beard and the receding hairline so he is bald as a billiard cue (like that line from Gangs of New York), stick that shorn head in the toilet and flush three times. That might not be enough, but lets face it, it would be a good start. As he ages, he becomes more and more beautiful. That Romanian profile grows more and more severe. He beings to resemble one of the demons in Goya’s Caprichios. For NBC he is perfect.

  133. holdthemaccountable November 11, 2013 at 10:31 am
    “… We can do better, but not with this turkey. Scrap it now, before it’s too late.”

    “Scrap it now”? OK, but it’s already too late.

    “We can do better”? Sure, but let’s hear how!!

    Given some thought about the Wikipedia article I quote above, I think the problem with the ACA is that it did not go far enough.

    A public option is needed, even we “cheat” by opening up Medicaid to everyone,

    FULL coverage should be demanded for all policies,

    and DEDUCTIBLES MUST BE BANNED.

  134. holdthemaccountable

    November 11, 2013 at 10:18 am

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    Sarah has politically matured so much since the 2008 election. She handled Lauer like the petulant Obamaphile that he truly is, stayed on point and rallied behind her Tea Party compatriots with great skill. I don’t agree with all her policy choices (e.g. making healthcare totally market-centered), but I respect her as a politician and wouldn’t mind seeing her in office in some capacity (hell, I voted for her in 2008).

    Hillary 2016

  135. jeswezey

    November 11, 2013 at 11:30 am

    A public option is needed, even we “cheat” by opening up Medicaid to everyone

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    H.R. 676 as a fix followed by Hillary’s Healthy Choices plan as a long term solution.

    Hillary 2016

  136. TheRock
    November 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
    Happy Veterans Day to all and God bless and keep all those that serve and served their country.

    Hillary 2016
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    Amen.

  137. I know a new article is up, but wanted to reply to Jeswezey’s question here:

    J’wezey, perhaps I should have said that people are at significant risk of dying. I hope none of those adversely effected by OCare have died, but i wouldn’t bet on it.

    I can’t confirm the truthfulness of calls from the people who call into talk radio expressing fear about how they will pay for their cancer treatment or their critically ill family member’s health care because ObamaCare has caused them to lose their insurance or their doctor. But, there are numerous such callers – some with terminal illnesses – who have lost coverage and don’t know how they will pay for care. They are at risk. Not only that, but the kind of stress that loss of access to health care causes severely ill people can further erode health.

    Elderly who previously were covered under Medicare Advantage at no cost are now required to pay. Some can’t afford the cost, and are pretty much SOL. I can tell you from having helped care for an elderly relative until her death at age 86, it’s pretty difficult for elderly patients whose illness or medication has left them with diminished capacity to figure out what the hell to do when their insurance is no longer available or when their drug plan screws up and they now have to pay hundreds out of pocket. Some elderly don’t have families to help.

    Another threat to the indigent has resulted from the cut in federal dollars to charity hospitals. These cuts were made because it was assumed that uninsured indigent, who didn’t previously qualify for Medicaid would do so after ACA. Problem is – some of the states didn’t accept Barack’s offer. Some of the indigent in these states still are not covered by Medicaid. Funds are being cut across the board, resulting in possible closure of hospitals in these states, leaving those not covered by Medicaid at significant risk.

    The article below provides a few examples of how people are being placed at risk by Obamacare.

    I can’t prove that they’re dying. But they’ll have a damn hard time living through this.

    From TownHall:

    “Are the American people convinced by the Administration’s tactics? It’s hard to say. While poll numbers show the majority of Americans don’t like Obamacare, the Republicans have not received overwhelming support to delay or defund the bill either. However, there is an interesting group of anti-Obamacare activists growing, and they’re not just coming from the far-right.
    The newest wave of critics are the people President Obama vowed Obamacare would save: the sick, the disabled and the poor. Here are their stories:

    How the Sick are Affected by Obamacare:
    Pattie is a catholic, stay at home mom; her two youngest sons suffer from a rare chronic illness and require constant medical attention as home, as well as frequent visits to the doctor and surgical procedures. Pattie described her medical costs as difficult, but reasonable, until 2010.

    President Obama promised premium fees would decrease $2,500 under Obamacare, yet for Pattie and her sons, all of their medical costs—from premiums to co-pays to the new medical device tax—have skyrocketed to unimaginable levels.
    Here is Pattie’s account of how the implementation of Obamacare has affected her family and finances:
    Between 2005 and 2010, our deductible increased $50. Since the passage of Obamacare, it has increased $1,200.
    In 2009 and 2010, our premiums stayed the same. Since the passage of Obamacare, our premiums have increased $1,528/yr.
    Our out of pocket maximum increased a total of $500 between 2005-2010. Since Obamacare passed, our out of pocket maximum has increased $3,000.

    A medication protecting my son’s kidneys from damage had a co-pay of $131 from 2005-2010. Since Obamacare passed, that co-pay skyrocketed to $532.

    In 2005-2010, we paid 4-5K per year in prescription co-pays. Now, in 2013, we are on target to pay $10,000 in prescription co-pays for the same medications. As of August 12, 2013, we have already paid $5,775.42 for prescriptions this year.

    How the Disabled are Affected by Obamacare:
    Frank K. is a father of two; one of his children lives with Autism. Frank, like many parents whose children have Autism, relied on non-taxed Flex Spending Accounts to pay for the medical of his child. Until 2010, families could put as much money as their employer would allow into their FSA’s to pay for their families medical expenses.

    Many parents with disabled children use these accounts to pay for otherwise unaffordable schooling and therapy for their children. However, a new provision of Obamacare has capped all FSA’s $2,500, in efforts to make up to $13 billion more taxable.
    Here is how the FSA provision has affected Frank and his family:

    “As a father of two kids who have chronic on-going issues (one with GI issues and one with Autism), and a wife who is unable to work due to back problems, we have a LOT of medical bills every year. So being able to use a $5,000 FSA account every year was a win for us.
    We don’t really have a choice to treat or not treat our children.

    So when the FSA limit went down to $2500 thanks to ACA (Affordable Care Act) we lost quite a chunk of money. As a result of this, and since ObamaCare never put in any support for kids with Autism or actually addressed the underlying cost issues, we as a family have been forced to make painful cutbacks; picking and choosing which therapies to apply for our autistic son, delaying my wife’s back surgery and ultimately forcing us to go from two cars to one to save on costs.

    Even so we put most costs onto a Credit Card and payoff what we can when we can. For us ObamaCare solved nothing and if anything my employer will likely force us onto an Exchange because they are self-funded and our care costs so much.”
    Frank K.

    How the Poor are Provided For Through Obamacare:
    Sandra Duck is a Medicaid patient with an infected, artificial hip. Dr. Dale Mitchum treated her infection in 2009, but when it resurfaced in early 2012, Mitchum knew Duck was in need of another hip transplant.
    Here is how Obamacare provided for Sandra Duck’s medical condition:

    “(Mitchum) tried to find an orthopedic surgeon who would operate. More than a year later, he’s still trying.
    “I cannot find a living soul that will touch her,” he said recently. “And I’ve tried everywhere, from Tallahassee to Pensacola.”
    Doctors in several states outside Florida also have refused to operate on Duck, who’s covered by Medicaid, the state-federal health insurance program for poor people and those with disabilities. Because of the program’s history of low payments, fewer than half of U.S. doctors and other health care professionals accept Medicaid patients, according to a recent study.

    Nationwide, the lack of doctors is a growing problem that will only worsen as some 27 million people get health coverage by 2016 as part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The Association of American Medical Colleges projects a shortage of 29,800 primary care doctors and 33,000 specialty doctors in 2015 alone.”

    These stories are not the hypothetical scenarios made up by Republican leaders. Pattie, Frank and Sandra have no intention of denying 30 million people healthcare. Their stories are a dose of reality for big-government advocates and Obamacare supporters. The sick, the disabled and the poor are not going to benefit under Obamacare. And, most likely, neither will anyone.”
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kateandrews/2013/08/18/the-sick-disabled-and-poor-suffer-under-obamacare-n1665450

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  138. jeswezey
    November 11, 2013 at 11:30 am

    holdthemaccountable November 11, 2013 at 10:31 am
    “… We can do better, but not with this turkey.
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    Yes he has us quite tangled already. How could the thousands hired for IRS, for navigators, or whatever be earning their keep at the moment? And there’s so much more as you clearly understand … but I will never.
    I did like the chuzpah of that article, though.

  139. TheRock
    November 11, 2013 at 11:34 am
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    Sarah has matured
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    :)I love that that she’s coming back as “somebody.”

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