Would You Buy A Used Car From Barack Obama?

Obama looked like a particularly shady used car salesman during his ‘believe me ObamaCare is great – call now to get yours right away! operators are standing by’ publicity stunt at the White House. It was the Barack Obama we’ve known for so long.



Obama used the White House as if is was a parking lot full of clunkers for which he could squeeze cash from the gullible. It was a nauseating spectacle of dishonesty and bad performance with a side geek show of a fainting prop.

It was the same old Barack Obama we described in April 2007 and since: a flim-flam con man pitching scams for self-advancement and profit. The Barack Obama con was obvious to us from the first even as we laid out markers for how he could prove us wrong. However as every day passed and Obama danced the Music Man flim flam con job without answering basic questions about himself or his positions we knew our analysis of him was, to mangle a phrase popularized by such as the Black Panthers, “right on”.

So filthy was Barack Obama that we veered from our normal practice to “get over” the primaries after a loss and immediately endorse the winner so that we could all focus with unity our attacks against the “RethugliKKKlan” nominee. We knew that a broken tea cup, or is it a broken coffee cup now that the Tea Party is a target of rage among the Obama cult, would be better as president that Barack Obama.

We can recall quite vividly hearing from people we respected the notion sold by Obama’s campaign apparatus that Obama reminded them of Kennedy. Yes, people we respected actually regurgitated the notion to us in private that JFK is what they saw when they looked at the Chicago scam artist. How can respect be maintained when such foolishness is revealed, such weakness of thought?

As the years proceeded it got worse. More of the once sensible came to the defense of Barack Obama and you could not argue with them because they were so ignorant and in such high numbers that no matter how much Barack Obama proved himself an enemy of what they proclaimed to be their principles they would concoct new and more twisted outlandish reasons to excuse the Chicago flim-flam con man. We were in an asylum and had to walk out.

We always wondered about the sincerity of those Obama defenders. We were not sure if there was some personal animosity or secret hatreds that motivated them because we simply could not believe that people we once knew to be sensible kept muttering stupidities as gospel truth. They would get angry and angrier the more their “facts” and cheap opinions were contradicted by logic, facts, and overall reality. We just simply could not believe that the once sensible so swiftly fell to madness. But this week we finally accept that these voting fools are sincere in their stupidity (this does not necessarily apply to our “higher up” friends who know Obama for what he is but they are part of the machine and jobs for friends and family, if not money for themselves or there businesses, are the motivation in spewing defenses of Obama).

We came to accept the sincerety of many Obama defenders thanks to an article from some Obama voting whiner who is upset about ObamaCare and the lies told by Obama to pass his scam. Here’s the opener from a second year medical student at Harvard Medical School(!) called Nathaniel P. Morris:

“(CNN) — I’m reading a terribly sad book these days. It’s a book that I thought would uplift me during the doldrums of second-year medical school, and renew in me a sense of hope. It’s called “The Audacity to Win,” and it’s a memoir of Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign.

When I’m finished with my patient write-ups at night and get into bed, the book returns me to a time when politics inspired millions and speeches could take your breath away. The election turned out to be a landslide, and news anchors paused to reflect on the historic nature of the hour.

My classmates cried with joy, and my parents saved every newspaper they could find. A young team of visionaries was headed for the White House, and the nation was ready for change. During Obama’s transition to office in 2008, he had an 82% approval rating. There was something in the air.

And then I close the book. Cutting to the present is a rude awakening, like snapping out of a dream. It’s hard to remember those days of optimism — they seem a distant memory, a sad reminder of opportunities gone by. Change indeed happened, in the years since I cast my first ballot. It was simply nothing I could have imagined.”

Something was in the air alright. It was the smell of Chicago corruption come to town fresh from the stockyards filled with death. That’s now we recall the election of the Chicago flim-flam con man Barack Obama.


Chicago Clown

Perhaps academically able Nathaniel will grow up into an intelligent Dr. Morris. But we doubt it. Stupid doesn’t grow on trees, it has to be cultivated and nurtured from within. Don’t blame youthful naiveté either. There were and are plenty of young people who demonstrated intelligence in 2008 and 2012 and rejected Barack Obama. These young people, like their sensible elders, might not have been the most academically credentialed but they had street smarts.

If you have “street smarts” you are immune to the flim-flam con men. People with street smarts can see the con coming and going. Those like Nathaniel who lack street smarts will continue to fall for the three card monte dealers and the flim flam con men all their lives, well after they believe they have finally learned their lesson and been healed and wizened. Like alcoholics they will never be fully “cured”. And for now, dear old Nathaniel is still making excuses for Barack Obama, even as he experiences a few brief moments of clarity:

“But, after the countless times in which I have found myself defending the Obama administration to colleagues and peers, I’ve reached a limit to the explanations that I can provide. I’ve reached a point of political despair.

Republican obstructionism cannot explain allowing the bugging of foreign leaders, nor having drones strike innocent children overseas. It cannot explain having the National Security Agency collect data on the private lives of Americans, nor prosecuting whistle-blowers who reveal government wrongdoing. It cannot account for assassinating Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen, without a trial, nor shirking public funding and spending limits during presidential campaigns.

It cannot justify the findings of a report that says the White House’s efforts to silence the media are the “most aggressive … since the Nixon Administration”.

And, most recently, it cannot excuse the failure to design a simple website more than three years since the Affordable Care Act was signed into law.

I don’t know if this is what I should have expected. If, at 18 years old, I was supposed to figure out that governance may contradict the political campaigns that precede it. Obviously, elective office isn’t a predictable course, as the opposing political party and random events, such as the Newtown massacre, will shape our public conversation. Yet, of all of the examples that I have listed above, they largely seem to be of the administration’s own choosing. That is what troubles me most of all.”

Dear Nate needs to get over the risible “I was young” excuses and tell himself “I was fooled. I am a fool. I believed a Chicago flim-flam con man. I will never vote again because I cannot be trusted with my nation’s present or future. I will dedicate myself to overturning the harm I have done to my country with my foolishness. I apologize to those I derided and attacked for opposing Barack Obama from the start – they were right. I was wrong – to the detriment of my country and its citizens.”

At this moment Nate is just a few miles away from his first step towards recovery. Many Obama Hopium guzzlers are further away. But there is some hope always that some of the drunks and addicts can be saved:

“Poll: 71% of Voters Believe Obama Knew Premiums Would Skyrocket For Some Americans

A new Rasmussen poll finds that an overwhelming majority of voters think the president probably lied to them about his “signature achievement”, and would like to see it scrapped or changed.

Asked how likely it is that Obama or senior officials in his administration were aware long before ObamaCare was implemented, that health insurance costs would go up for some, 71 percent of voters responded that “it’s at least somewhat likely.”

When the vast majority of American voters can agree they were lied to in order pass a controversial bill on a party line vote that amounts to a takeover of nearly 1/6 of the economy, and a large percent of them say, yeah, so what? – Our country is in deep trouble. According to Rasmussen, 48% of Likely U.S. Voters still approve of Obama’s job performance. Unbelievable.

Only 18 percent want Obamacare to continue on as it is. 43% want it repealed and started over from scratch, and another 35% want Congress to fix it in a piecemeal fashion. That’s a total of 78% who want to see either a complete do-over, or major fixes.

So – Obama blatantly lied to us in order to pass his “signature achievement” which has turned out to be a major debacle most people want scrapped or changed….Good job, Mr. President! You’re “historic!”

It should be 100% that know Barack Obama lied to all of us in order to pass ObaminationCare. But we’ll look at the glass as 70-80% full and not 30% or more empty. They will learn in the school of hard knocks reality:



As Big Media Obama defender Charles Cook writes in a rare detour into Obama reality street, a credibility gap can harm an office occupant:

“Obama’s Credibility Is At Risk

The troubled health care rollout and disclosures that the NSA spied on allies have damaged the public’s view of the president’s ability to do his job.

President Obama’s allies are alternately wincing over, or shaking their heads at, the troubled rollout of the Affordable Care Act and its website, as well as disclosures that U.S. intelligence agencies spied on some of our closest allies. Many of the president’s supporters are probably wishing they could avoid watching news programs altogether, hoping the damaging reports will just go away. The eavesdropping on the cell-phone conversations of German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President François Hollande (the latter heading the only European nation supportive of the initial U.S. plan for airstrikes on Syria) has been particularly hard to defend because it puts the United States (and Obama) in an enormously awkward position.

What makes these problems more troublesome than some other controversies is that they go to the question of Obama’s competence, rather than to differences of policy or ideology. On policy disputes, one side may like a decision and the other may dislike it, often resulting in a political wash. However, competence issues cut across the partisan and ideological spectrum, and they can have a real impact on independents and moderates. [snip]

On Monday night, Daily Show host Jon Stewart framed the White House line that Obama was “out of the loop,” or unaware of the surveillance of allies, by noting, “There appear to be very few loops he’s in.” [snip]

Doubts about competence inflict damage, particularly if they are followed by other incidents that reinforce those doubts and by a vigilant opposition party flagging these miscues, as Republicans can be counted on to do here. Doubts about competence eat at enthusiasm among your base and alienate the moderates and independents who are really the ones determining whether a president has strong job-approval ratings (and note that high ratings translate into clout on Capitol Hill and, to a certain extent, around the world).”

Would you buy a used car from Barack Obama? We know “Cash For Clunkers” was a complete waste of money and yet another Obama scam. Yet when asked Obama comes up with another excuse and changes the topic.

As failure upon failure is exposed with ObaminationCare even some Obama Hopium guzzlers notice Obama ran a flim-flam con man con job. But Obama (and his Big Media guard) just comes up with new lies, new excuses, to fleece the flock. Obama’s repeated lies before and after the 2012 election assuring Americans who liked their health care insurance that nothing in ObamaCare would take that insurance away recently were explained away by Obama with another series of lies. We were not surprised.

In 2012 we wrote The Video Mitt Romney Better Watch. What is happening to America with Obama lies and then lies denying the lies and calling the truth tellers “liars” is all too familiar to us. Recall 2008:

CLINTON: Well, I couldn’t agree more. But I do think that your record and what you say does matter. And when it comes to…

(APPLAUSE)

… a lot of the issues that are important in this race, it is sometimes difficult to understand what Senator Obama has said, because as soon as he is confronted on it, he says that’s not what he meant. [snip]

Now, why is this important? It’s important because I think elections are about the future. But how do you determine what will happen in the future? Well, you have to look to the record, you have to look to what we say in campaigns, and what we have done during our careers.

And I want to be just very explicit about this. We are not, neither my campaign nor anyone associated with it, are in any way saying you did not oppose the war in Iraq.

You did. You gave a great speech in 2002 opposing the war in Iraq. That was not what the point of our criticism was.

It was after having given that speech, by the next year the speech was off your Web site. By the next year, you were telling reporters that you agreed with President Bush in his conduct of the war. And by the next year, when you were in the Senate, you were voting to fund the war time after time after time.

So it was more about the distinction between words and action. And I think that is a fair assessment for voters to make.

(APPLAUSE)



Like a corrupt, lying, used car salesman, Barack Obama’s word on anything is worth nothing. Don’t expect a corrupt, lying, used car salesman like Barack Obama to live up to the warranty on his clunkers. He just can’t be trusted:

“Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

Don’t trust him. Don’t buy a used car from Barack Obama. Don’t buy anything Barack Obama is selling.

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214 thoughts on “Would You Buy A Used Car From Barack Obama?

  1. We’re way behind on our publishing schedule and will try to get an article out about Michele Obama and ObamaCare. For now, this story has not gotten the attention it deserves and we are not referring to the ObamaCare corruption portion of the story:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/michelle-obama-and-cgi-federal-executive-belonged-to-student-group-at-princeton-that-hosted-pro-terrorist-speaker/

    “Michelle Obama and CGI Federal executive belonged to student group at Princeton that hosted pro-terrorist speaker

    First Lady Michelle Obama and her Princeton classmate whose company received the no-bid government contract to build the HealthCare.gov Obamacare website were both members of a black student organization that caused a tense scene on campus by inviting a PLO leader who advocated for terrorism.

    Michelle Obama ’85 and her classmate Toni Townes-Whitley ’85, a senior vice president at CGI Federal, were both students at the university when their groups the Organization of Black Unity (OBU) and the Third World Center (TWC) engaged in a confrontation with Jewish students on campus.

    Michelle Obama was a member of both the OBU and TWC during her time at Princeton (1981-85). Townes-Whitley also belonged to OBU and TWC.

    It was an ugly scene, but few expected perfect harmony when the OBU, in conjunction with the Third World Center (TWC), invited Hassan Rahman, the Palestine Liberation Organization’s deputy UN observer, to appear on campus,” according to a January 25, 1982 Princeton Alumni Weekly (Volume 82) article entitled “War of Words” in the column “On the Campus” by Ted Lempert ’83.

    Rahman “reiterated the PLO’s position that the Palestinians deserve a homeland and that they are entitled to use terrorism to achieve their goal, just as American revolutionaries did against the British.”

    We have the right to kill them if they are traitors and negotiate with the Israelis,” Rahman said of non-PLO supporting Palestinians at the event.

    “The OBU met with Jewish students to discuss the event, and Hillel leaders affirmed Rahman’s right to speak on campus… As about 400 students poured into McCosh 50, tension replaced this short-lived calm. The entire center section of the auditorium had been reserved for TWC members, most of whom are black. The remainder of the audience, mostly Jews, filled the outer sections. OBU’s Murphy stepped to the microphone, but instead of giving a standard welcome and introduction, he noted the ‘subdued controversy’ surrounding the speech and noted that disruptions ‘would not be tolerated.’ He even mentioned the possibility of disciplinary action or prosecution. Patrolling the room were a dozen OBU members wearing security badges, a supplement to the university proctors manning the doorways. Before Rahman had said a word, hopes of a congenial atmosphere were dashed.”

    “For the question-and-answer session, OBU monitors took down the names of those wishing to ask questions. No questions could exceed one minute, and follow-up questions were not allowed. Because of time restraints, only the first person on each list was recognized.

    “Organizers adhered closely — almost militantly — to their rules, intimidating and antagonizing many,” Hillel member Stuart Rabner ’82 wrote in a Princetonian column. “One usher warned Hillel Rabbi Edward Feld to be silent or proctors would remove him physically. Rabbi Feld had apparently disrupted the event at one point by shouting ‘answer the question.’”

    Michelle Obama, according to a 2008 puff piece in the Boston Globe, served on the Third World Center’s governance board and was particularly active in OBU.

    “Although Obama had friends who were both black and white, her social world revolved around several of the black organizations on campus, as it did for many other black students,” the Globe’s Sally Jacobs wrote. “Obama was a member of the Organization of Black Unity, a primary resource for black students on campus which arranged speakers and programs.”

  2. Why ObaminationCare hurts politically:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/11/01/the-insiders-all-health-care-politics-is-personal/

    The old adage is, “all politics is local.” Well, all health-care politics is personal. And thanks to President Obama and his Democratic allies, today every American adult is anxiously evaluating the personal status of his or her health insurance. In most cases, these people either can’t get any answers or they don’t know if what they are being told is accurate or even truthful. This is big. The Obamacare debacle has become something of a national collective focal point. The entire country is engaged, and it’s not a holiday or a sporting event. It’s more like a natural disaster. A slow motion, rolling disaster — and the storm surge might not peak until November 2014.

    The unintended consequences of Obamacare have only just begun. More and more Americans are receiving health care plan cancellation notices, and it’s possible that the number of cancellations is greater than the number of new enrollees. And between Team Obama’s incompetence and denial, you can bet that no one had a plan to deal with these problems, even if they were warned. It is unlikely they can turn things around quickly. What will the political fallout be?

  3. Earthquake:

    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=2212AF8A-99F6-4115-BDA6-FA38F5D060DF

    “It’s not theoretical anymore,” said Virginia-based health industry consultant Robert Laszewski. “You can spin in the White House press room, but these are people who will be sitting down with their friends and families at Thanksgiving sharing stories about their cancellation letters. That’s going to be the only thing that counts.” [snip]

    For every one person who gets their policy cancelled, that fact could influence maybe three or four other voters as well. It has a potential to spiral to not just people it immediately affects, but others,” said David Hogberg, a health care policy analyst for the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative think tank.

  4. ObaminationCare wounded:

    She’s going to buy coverage, she says, but she’s torn about it.

    It will make me broke all the time,” she says. “It’s basically taking every last dollar that I would have to spend on extra food, or a parking ticket or anything.”

    Prince says she’s gone to and calculated that with a subsidy she would have to pay just over $100 per month.

    “I am super-healthy. I rarely go to the doctor. So to pay over $100 a month for something I rarely use seems crazy to me,” she says.

  5. Admen, this article concisely and solidly nails the true nature of Barack and his presidency, clearly and perfectly articulating the qualities that characterize Barack and his presidency. Beginning with his basic dishonesty and lack of character, moving on to his obvious narcissism, reflected by his inability to act to advance anyone other than himself – or to even understand the relevance of others and their problems, and ending with his total lack of competence. You shucked the corn right down to the cob, and the cob was not attractive.

    What was clear from early on – at least to some people – was the Barack could not be other than what he was. It was not in him look beyond himself. But using tools within his personality developed and sharpened from childhood, he played whatever part was called for by the circumstances. He learned to portray himself as whomever his particular audience at the time needed him to be. He learned what true character was supposed to look like, and could imitate it, possibly even believing himself to possess true character at that moment.

    But, as you said of Nathanial, people cannot play the victim when they consider how they allowed themselves to be bamboozled by Barack. In any scam or con game, the con artist could not succeed without a target who wanted to acquire something wonderful for nothing – or for very little. The target’s good instincts nag at him/her, reminding him that there are no free rides, and the if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is. But unable to resist the attractiveness of the package offered by the con man, the target relents, and willingly accepts.

    The people who sincerely believed Barack was all they needed him to be and more, should confront their need and expectation for life to proceed like a fairy tale, as well as their tendency to see things as they want to see them, rather than as they are. I’m glad, Admin, that you addressed the question about whether those people who proclaimed Barack’s greatness actually believed it. Apparently some did. Others were just expressing their need to be like the larger group around them. Still others were true progressives who thought Barack was one of their own – dedicated to the cause. He’s dedicated alright – but not to them, or to any cause beyond himself.

  6. admin

    November 3, 2013 at 8:12 am

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    Outstanding article admin. Quick comment (football is on) about the Bill Maher video. I listened to the panel twist in the wind at Bill’s “lie or no a lie” question and I was ashamed that I voted solely as a partyline democrat. Dr. Tyson, one of my favorite scientists, feeble attempt to minimize PEOPLE saying when does 5% of the population matter in terms of legislation this size, begs the question does a college education make you smart? How sad that the fundamental tenant of representative government which is that EVERYONE’S voice is heard and EVERYONE is represented at the big table is lost on someone so ‘smart.’

    And what can be said good about Wasserman-Schultz? I get donation emails from her that I always used to just delete. I think from now on I am going to respond to all of them. That or I will start donating $0.01 just so that I can comment to her and the DNC about their treachery. She honestly said to the country that the president DIDN’T lie in the sale of CrapCare. REALLY?!?!?!!?!?!?! Foolishness!!!!!

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2016

  7. …imo…from O’s early primary days to now…

    BO has always seemed to me to be the “Creflo Dollar of Presidents”

    …for those who do not know who Creflo Dollar is, he is a televangelist that preaches “prosperity theology” for example:

    Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of prosperity theology.[9] He has been criticized for his lavish lifestyle as he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, a million dollar home in Atlanta, a $2.5m million home in Demarest, N.J., and a $2.5m home in Manhattan,[9] which he sold for $3.75m in 2012.[16] Dollar has refused to disclose his salary and Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of “F” for financial transparency by the organization MinistryWatch.[9][17]

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    CD is a handsome, charming, charismatic AA man…I came across him when I worked for a TV broadcaster and had to view all the programming before airing to make sure it met the standards and practices requirements…

    …if you google him and look at any of his sermons one can seem the similarities…but he is a charleton…

    imo…BO is the ‘Creflo Dollar’ of Presidents…

  8. …btw…CD has that lavish lifestyle because of the money he gets from the parishoners…all off the backs of struggling people…but CD makes them part with their money and brains to serve him…

    ok, enough of that…

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    ADMIN…Earthquake #2 is coming within the year…when the employer mandates kick in…we are just starting to hear a little bit about how many of those polices will also be cancelled…the same policies that O and the Dims are now lumping in the 95% who can keep their plans and won’t be effected…

    …what they really mean is … you can keep your employer plan…for now…but in about a year when the employer mandate kicks in…you, too, will be on the chopping block and you will be cancelled…your spouses coverage will go by the wayside…and then all hell will really break out…

  9. Blogs for Hillary features this headline:

    Sen. Schumer endorses Hillary Clinton for president

    Published by president hillary – Yahoo! News Search Results on 11/3/2013 | Leave a response

    New York Sen. Chuck Schumer publicly urged Hillary Clinton to run for president at an event in Iowa Saturday, vowing his “full and unwavering” support. TODAY’s Lester Holt interviews NBC’s David Gregory about the potential political impact.

    Posted in Hillary
    http://www.blogsforhillary.com

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    Well, what a relief that must be! I’m sure Hillary wouldn’t want to even consider a run without Shumer’s support. His public declaration must mean he really, really likes her, and will absolutely, without a doubt work to help her get elected. Unless it doesn’t.

  10. http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html

    Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients
    You would think that when your party is burying a hole that is getting harder and harder to get out of, you wouldn’t want to that hole get deeper faster. But here is Kathleen Murphy, Democrat running for the House of Delegates against Barbara Comstock, telling a forum in Great Falls that she believes it should law to force doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Forced by government decree, mind you. A birdie sent me this:

    FYI last night at the Great Falls Grange debate, Democrat delegate candidate Kathleen Murphy said that since many doctors are not accepting medicaid and medicare patients, she advocates making it a legal requirement for those people to be accepted.

    She did not recognize that the payments are inadequate to cover the doctors’ costs. She also did not recognize there is a shortage of over 45,000 physicians now and that it is forecast to be 90,000 in a few years.

    Democrats appear to want to make physicians slaves of the state, but Democrats don’t admit they would just drive more doctors out of practice into retirement and other occupations. The Obamacare law and regulations are causing millions of people to lose their health insurance, drop many doctors and hospitals. The HHS internal forecast is 93 million Americans would lose their health insurance due to the Obamacare law and rules about adequacy of insurance.

    Many more people will be uninsured. The penalties for being uninsured start at $95 per year, but the penalties can’t be collected by the IRS if a person does not have a tax refund to attach.

    The out of pocket costs required by Obamacare’s Silver Plan for a non-smoking mother and father with two children making a gross before income taxes of $50,000 (roughly average salary for VA) would be $13,765 per year including the deductible of $10,400. That’s 28% of their gross income — not very affordable and about the same as guidelines for a mortgage payment. For such a family making $100,000 of gross income, The cost would be $21,431 including the deductible of $12,700, or 21% of gross income.

    With such high deductibles doctors are stuck with trying to collect cash from the patients, even at regulated charge structures. Thus is makes sense for primary care doctors not to participate in Obamacare, medicare and medicaid. They should encourage patients to participate in Concierge Care and insurance programs run by the doctors themselves with patients who can do simple math. Patients can take out catastrophic insurance with high deductibles for major surgeries. Tax deductability for individual medical savings accounts would make health care more affordable.

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    this is going to be another ‘unintended consequence’…if dims think they can force doctors to accept patients, dims will really be on the path to destroying good medical care in the USA…doctors do not go medical school and do residencies and rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to then be told how to practice medicine and who they must see for patients…this is not a third world country…

    …my niece is going thru this right now…she is in medical school…in fact, she just came back from going to Peru with other students to treat patients there…when i talk to her about this she tells me that the wave of what the medical students are planning is “concierge/boutique medicine” otherwise they will be in debt for the rest of their lives…

    dims better not try going there…it will backfire big time

  11. btw…why aren’t reporters asking the follow up questions about what happens when the employee mandate kicks in next year?

    How do they let Bill Maher and his panel…especially Debbie Wasserman Shultz get away with MORE LIES?

    I cannot take DWS…besides being in dire need of a mirror…the woman is so dishonest…I am sorry I was sucked in with her in the past…she cannot be trusted as far as you can throw her…sad, because I am sure she will become an ardent Hillary backer…but I am done with her…

  12. frankly, it is going to be tough to accept and bare to listen to all these former O supporters when they do an about turn and become diehard Hillary supporters…

    …it is going to be very hard to believe one word that comes out of their mouths…

  13. Wonder what the reaction will be…………..

    Most Of 290,000 Individual Market Health Care Plans In Washington State To Be Cancelled

    Bill Fullner has reached his breaking point.

    It started with the letter from his health-insurance company informing him it was canceling his plan and offering him a new one that’s nearly twice as expensive. Then the 60-year-old retiree from Mount Vernon heard about more people like himself with canceled plans and soaring premiums. Finally, he spent hours on the phone and computer trying — and failing — to find a new option that he likes.

    “This whole experience has converted a lifelong Democrat into a foot soldier for the Republican Party,” Fullner said.

    He’s not alone in his frustration.

    In Washington, most of the 290,000 people covered by insurance plans they purchased on the individual market received letters this fall telling them that their plans are going away.

    Keep reading…

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022180687_acacanceledpoliciesxml.html

    ……………………

    All those good little Obama soldiers sure gonna be pissed……

  14. Democrat Proposes Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid

    FYI last night at the Great Falls Grange debate, Democrat delegate candidate Kathleen Murphy said that since many doctors are not accepting medicaid and medicare patients, she advocates making it a legal requirement for those people to be accepted.

    She did not recognize that the payments are inadequate to cover the doctors’ costs. She also did not recognize there is a shortage of over 45,000 physicians now and that it is forecast to be 90,000 in a few years.

    http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html

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    Yeah good luck with that proposal………..where do they find these people. What next, round them up and if they don’t accept Obamacare, shoot them up against a wall…..wait don’t give them ideas.

  15. That was their plan all along. If you didn’t believe it before you can believe it now.
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    Obamacare architect Ezekiel Emanuel, a former adviser to the Obama White House, admitted today that, if Democrats have their way, the individual insurance market is going away.

    “Insurance companies don’t want, insurance companies don’t want the individual market as it’s constructed. They see the future. That individual market is going away. They don’t want to invest in it.”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/obamacare-architect-ezekiel-emanuel-insurance-companies-see-the-future-the-individual-market-is-going-away-video/

  16. A big problem on the horizon, open warfae erupting in GOP…..this has severe implications for 2014 and beyond.

    Did the NRSC’s Josh Holmes Just Cost Mitch McConnell His Primary?

    http://riehlworldview.com/?p=32258

    In 9 plus years of blogging, never have I seen a story this telling of a Republican Party that doesn’t understand its base, or New Media. Worse, it’s indicative of a corrupt inside the Beltway party that has abandoned, or decided to ignore nearly everything I believe in as an American and a conservative. This is a disaster for several reasons I’ll try to briefly and clearly explain my thinking below.

    GLOVES OFF: GOP ESTABLISHMENT GOES AFTER TEA PARTY

    The National Republican Senate Committee, the GOP campaign arm responsible for Senate elections, has decided to use its political power to block consulting firm Jamestown Associates from receiving political work from GOP candidates or incumbents.

    First and foremost, this has nothing to do with Jamestown Associates, or the Senate Conservative Fund. It’s foolish for McConnell and company to pretend there aren’t dozens of firms capable of pursuing any business one, or another firm might forego.

    Furthermore, since when did the GOP decide it was against the free market AND the First Amendment? The insular nature of thinking that led McConnell, Josh Holmes and the NRSC into this debacle should frighten all Americans. It’s Neo-leftist, all but Stalin-esque and especially grotesque coming from a party that purports to stand for liberty. This is not the GOP I came to support when I abandoned the Democrat Party to vote for Ronald Reagan. If this kind of nonsense keeps up, soon, I won’t be supporting the GOP at all.

    The grassroots base the GOP needs to turn out for them to win elections neither knows, nor cares about a Jamestown whatever, or some ‘fund.’ But that some thirty-something upstart who appears to have never held a real job outside of the DC political bubble thinks running to the New York Times is a smart way to send someone a message given the nature of this message and the current state of GOP politics is truly one of the dumbest moves I’ve seen out of DC in sometime. All it did was confirm the absolute worst fears of an already all-too-weary GOP base.

    How on Earth does an allegedly-seasoned GOP political operator like a Josh Holmes think it wise to run to the Times with what amounts to a jack-booted attempt to stifle both free market capitalism and political dissent? Those are supposed to be core values for the GOP. Yet, here we see a DC GOP establishment on display at its worst. In effect saying — If you engage in a form of commerce we don’t like, we will try to destroy you! If you attempt to exercise your First Amendment right to free speech to say something with which we disagree, we will try to destroy you?

    That position is not only unworthy of, but totally unacceptable for any political party within our Constitutional republic. Frankly, it sounds more like something right out of a totalitarian regime and it truly disgusts me as an American. I’m ashamed to think that a party to which I am connected is even thinking in such terms within it’s inner circles.

    THAT is the message Holmes sent to the base here. And whether the Beltway GOP likes it, or not, it’s the only one an increasingly restive base is going to take away from all this. And that’s only the beginning of why this is so bad for Mitch McConnell, now likely facing an emboldened and even more empowered primary challenger back home in Kentucky.

    Frankly, I had been of a mind to give McConnell a pass in Kentucky. Why waste time and money better spent trying to take out a vulnerable Democrat, perhaps Mary Landieu in Louisiana? Now, thanks to Josh Holmes’ little anti-free market, anti-First Amendment fascist-like snit fit in the New York Times, that’s now not only the furthest thing from my mind – it’s a position rendered all but impossible for me to defend. Hechuva job, Josh. Heckuva job.

    Now, here’s why it matters so much for McConnell. Obviously the DC GOP doesn’t know, understand or respect its base, including in New Media, to realize we can and will connect the dots. Clearly, McConnell moved his COS to the NRSC to do his dirty work, not only in his own race, but against the conservative movement as a whole. In essence, his fingerprints are all over this disastrous NYT’s story and any suggestion that isn’t the case is implausible to the point of being laughable. And it gets worse.

    And on Friday, one of Mr. McConnell’s closest aides offered a vivid metaphor about the leader’s determination.

    “S.C.F. has been wandering around the country destroying the Republican Party like a drunk who tears up every bar they walk into,” said Josh Holmes, Mr. McConnell’s chief of staff, now detailed to the National Republican Senatorial Committee through the election. “The difference this cycle is that they strolled into Mitch McConnell’s bar and he doesn’t throw you out, he locks the door.”

    read on………….

    If this carries on, we may have a total implosion and breakup of the GOP and pray god this is only happening now because if it had happened in 2008 or 2010, Obama would have been able to pull more shit off. However if they continue, Obama may have 2 years of free rein in 14 to 16 and that cannot be good news for us or for Hillary.

  17. Forget the website crashes: The real $1 trillion problem with Obamacare has yet to emerge [VIDEO]

    In an exclusive interview with The Daily Caller, Dr. Robert Nirschl ­ a practicing orthopedic surgeon, former faculty member of Georgetown and a former member of the legislative committee of the American Academy of Orthopedic surgery ­ dismissed the recent issues suffered by HealthCare.gov and the media feeding frenzy surrounding it, arguing that the systemic flaws within the law had not yet surfaced, and that when they do, it will be catastrophic.

    Nirschl took apart the concept of “health insurance” arguing that it’s an inaccurate buzzword. What is being legislated is not insurance at all, Nirschl said. By its very nature, “insurance” is a way of protecting against an unforeseen, catastrophic incident. It works by having large groups of people paying premiums into a central fund with the understanding that if they were to suffer an unlikely incident, they will be compensated. The likelyhood of people claiming out of the central fund is a calculated through a risk assessment, and the riskier the “bet,” the higher the premium. Nirschl points out that since the 1950s’s true health “insurance” has not existed.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/03/forget-the-website-crashes-the-real-1-trillion-problem-with-obamacare-has-yet-to-emerge-video/#ixzz2jd4JY5X2

  18. Sources: Alleged LAX gunman was shot in face numerous times and has wounds to his jaw, mouth and tongue –

    oh my heart bleeds for him….not.

  19. S
    November 3, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    frankly, it is going to be tough to accept and bare to listen to all these former O supporters when they do an about turn and become diehard Hillary supporters…

    …it is going to be very hard to believe one word that comes out of their mouths…
    _______________

    It is indeed.

    Regarding the division between the current big wigs of GOP and the more conservative faction- Last week, I heard a caller on a call-in conservative radio probram – don’t remember which one, but the caller’s son was working the phones for the “De-fund the GOP” effort, and reported that number of donors had risen dramatically in the last two weeks. It appears that some of the antics of the Pub leaders are backfiring.

  20. My great niece and her husband attended state colleges and medical schools; both are now residents. Their educational debt is >$600,000.

  21. We’ve written often about how the young get screwed by ObaminationCare. The young are not alone in their misery because wait until ObaminationCare hits seniors:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/seniors-hurt-obamacare-article-1.1504414

    The seniors getting hurt by Obamacare

    Medicare Advantage patients are getting hurt in just the way that critics of the President’s plan warned that they would

    O bamacare has a new message to seniors: Take two aspirins and find yourself a new doctor in the morning.

    Just ask 84-year-old Dorothy Gaillard, a retired book binder and a patient of my father, an Upper East Side primary care physician, for more than two decades.

    Gaillard could easily find a doctor near her Queens home, but she dutifully makes a 45-minute schlep to my father’s office for uniquely personal care. He takes her blood pressure himself and even schedules her next appointment, tasks that most doctors shunt off to assistants.

    Last Saturday, Gaillard called my father, aghast about a letter she had just received from the Medicare Advantage program of UnitedHealthcare.

    Gaillard, one of close to 900,000 aged New Yorkers covered by Medicare Advantage, was informed that my father’s contract was being terminated effective Jan. 1; she would need to find another doctor.

    I couldn’t believe it,” she recalled. “Something ain’t right.”

    That something is Obamacare. Due to reductions in funding under the law, the Medicare Advantage programs, in which Medicare provides money for private insurers to cover seniors, have quietly started to cancel the contracts of providers to save money.

    Although there was much attention last week to the fact that many health insurance plans purchased on the individual market will be cancelled under Obamacare, the havoc it is wrecking on Medicare Advantage patients and their providers has been barely noticed.

    Yet this is exactly what critics of the program have warned, even as its slavish defenders vehemently denied any coming ill effects.

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) was pooh-poohed after he said this August that “the chances are that soon [seniors] will open up the mail to the bad news that your Medicare Advantage . . . has been changed in a negative way for you because of Obamacare.”

    In order to fund other aspects of the program, Obamacare cuts $717 billion from Medicare over 10 years; $154 billion of that will come from Medicare Advantage.

    Citi analyst Carl McDonald warned his clients earlier this year that government payments to Medicare Advantage programs would decrease by 7% or 8% in 2014, proving “enormously disruptive to Medicare Advantage, likely forcing a number of smaller plans out of the business and creating disarray for many seniors.” [snip]

    “My reaction was: I hate Obamacare.”

    Unterrich, a Brooklyn ophthalmologist, says Empire Blue and Emblem Health are also cutting Medicare Advantage physicians loose, but he does not yet know how many. He wants a congressional investigation.

    Nationwide, UnitedHealthcare is canceling 10-15% of its contracts with Medicare Advantage providers.

    Back to my father, Herbert Gahr. He voted twice for Barack Obama, and now feels the President has betrayed him. He thought the government health-care program would bring him more patients, not snatch away those already under his care.

    The classic adage about good health is “an apple a day keeps the doctor away.”

    Elderly New Yorkers beware: The federal Leviathan that is Obamacare is devouring apples; it could soon make your favorite doctor stay away for good.

  22. Bill Fullner meet the Griffins, Ken Davis, and Philip Johnson:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_YOURE_CANCELED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-02-09-44-38

    Sticker shock often follows insurance cancellation

    MIAMI (AP) — Dean Griffin liked the health insurance he purchased for himself and his wife three years ago and thought he’d be able to keep the plan even after the federal Affordable Care Act took effect.

    But the 64-year-old recently received a letter notifying him the plan was being canceled because it didn’t cover certain benefits required under the law.

    The Griffins, who live near Philadelphia on the Delaware border, pay $770 monthly for their soon-to-be-terminated health care plan with a $2,500 deductible. The cheapest plan they found on their state insurance exchange was a so-called bronze plan charging a $1,275 monthly premium with deductibles totaling $12,700. It covers only providers in Pennsylvania, so the couple wouldn’t be able to see the doctors in Delaware whom they’ve used for more than a decade.

    “We’re buying insurance that we will never use and can’t possibly ever benefit from. We’re basically passing on a benefit to other people who are not otherwise able to buy basic insurance,” said Griffin, who is retired from running an information technology company.

    The Griffins are among millions of people nationwide who buy individual insurance policies and are receiving notices that those policies are being discontinued because they don’t meet the higher benefit requirements of the new law.

    They can buy different policies directly from insurers for 2014 or sign up for plans on state insurance exchanges. While lower-income people could see lower costs because of government subsidies, many in the middle class may get rude awakenings when they access the websites and realize they’ll have to pay significantly more.

    Those not eligible for subsidies generally receive more comprehensive coverage than they had under their soon-to-be-canceled policies, but they’ll have to pay a lot more.

    Because of the higher cost, the Griffins are considering paying the federal penalty – about $100 or 1 percent of income next year – rather than buying health insurance. They say they are healthy and don’t typically run up large health care costs. Dean Griffin said that will be cheaper because it’s unlikely they will get past the nearly $13,000 deductible for the coverage to kick in. [snip]

    Ken Davis, who manages a fast food restaurant in Austin, Texas, is recovering from sticker shock after the small-business policy offered by his employer was canceled for the same reasons individual policies are being discontinued.

    His company pays about $100 monthly for his basic health plan. He said he’ll now have to pay $600 monthly for a mid-tier silver plan on the state exchange. The family policy also covers his 8-year-old son. Even though the federal government is contributing a $500 subsidy, he said the $600 he’s left to pay is too high. He’s considering the penalty.

    I feel like they’re forcing me to do something that I don’t want to do or need to do,” Davis, 40, said. [snip]

    Many states require insurers to give consumers 90 days’ notice before canceling plans. That means another round of cancellation letters will go out in March and again in May. [snip]

    The cancellations run counter to one of President Barack Obama’s promises about his health care overhaul: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan.”

    Philip Johnson, 47, of Boise, Idaho, was shocked when his cancellation notice arrived last month. The gift-shop owner said he’d spent years arranging doctors covered by his insurer for him, his wife and their two college-age students.

    After browsing the state exchange, he said he thinks he’ll end up paying lower premiums but higher deductibles. He said the website didn’t answer many of his questions, such as which doctors take which plans.

    I was furious because I spent a lot of time and picked a plan that all my doctors accepted,” Johnson said. “Now I don’t know what doctors are going to take what. No one mentioned that for the last three years when they talked about how this was going to work.”

  23. Obama is getting the best and brightest of the liberal tech world to fix the glitches in
    the websites. If people are happy with the new choices, we are in big trouble for the mid terms. If he gets the House back the last 2 years will compete the transformation. I am extremely pessimistic .

  24. Bill Fullner, the Griffins, Ken Davis, and Philip Johnson meet Edie Sundby:

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304527504579171710423780446

    You Also Can’t Keep Your Doctor

    I had great cancer doctors and health insurance. My plan was cancelled. Now I worry how long I’ll live.

    By Edie Littlefield Sundby

    Everyone now is clamoring about Affordable Care Act winners and losers. I am one of the losers.

    My grievance is not political; all my energies are directed to enjoying life and staying alive, and I have no time for politics. For almost seven years I have fought and survived stage-4 gallbladder cancer, with a five-year survival rate of less than 2% after diagnosis. I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky. But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective Dec. 31.

    My choice is to get coverage through the government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors, or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange (the quotes average 40% to 50% more) for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits.

    Countless hours searching for non-exchange plans have uncovered nothing that compares well with my existing coverage. But the greatest source of frustration is Covered California, the state’s Affordable Care Act health-insurance exchange and, by some reports, one of the best such exchanges in the country. After four weeks of researching plans on the website, talking directly to government exchange counselors, insurance companies and medical providers, my insurance broker and I are as confused as ever. Time is running out and we still don’t have a clue how to best proceed.

    Two things have been essential in my fight to survive stage-4 cancer. The first are doctors and health teams in California and Texas: at the medical center of the University of California, San Diego, and its Moores Cancer Center; Stanford University’s Cancer Institute; and the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.

    The second element essential to my fight is a United Healthcare PPO (preferred provider organization) health-insurance policy.

    Since March 2007 United Healthcare has paid $1.2 million to help keep me alive, and it has never once questioned any treatment or procedure recommended by my medical team. The company pays a fair price to the doctors and hospitals, on time, and is responsive to the emergency treatment requirements of late-stage cancer. Its caring people in the claims office have been readily available to talk to me and my providers.

    But in January, United Healthcare sent me a letter announcing that they were pulling out of the individual California market. The company suggested I look to Covered California starting in October.

    You would think it would be simple to find a health-exchange plan that allows me, living in San Diego, to continue to see my primary oncologist at Stanford University and my primary care doctors at the University of California, San Diego. Not so. UCSD has agreed to accept only one Covered California plan—a very restrictive Anthem EPO Plan. EPO stands for exclusive provider organization, which means the plan has a small network of doctors and facilities and no out-of-network coverage (as in a preferred-provider organization plan) except for emergencies. Stanford accepts an Anthem PPO plan but it is not available for purchase in San Diego (only Anthem HMO and EPO plans are available in San Diego).

    So if I go with a health-exchange plan, I must choose between Stanford and UCSD. Stanford has kept me alive—but UCSD has provided emergency and local treatment support during wretched periods of this disease, and it is where my primary-care doctors are.

    Before the Affordable Care Act, health-insurance policies could not be sold across state lines; now policies sold on the Affordable Care Act exchanges may not be offered across county lines.

    What happened to the president’s promise, “You can keep your health plan”? Or to the promise that “You can keep your doctor”? Thanks to the law, I have been forced to give up a world-class health plan. The exchange would force me to give up a world-class physician.

    For a cancer patient, medical coverage is a matter of life and death. Take away people’s ability to control their medical-coverage choices and they may die. I guess that’s a highly effective way to control medical costs. Perhaps that’s the point.

    And they mocked Sarah Palin for talking about death panels.

  25. Question: what do Obama and used car sultan Ralph Williams have in common?

    Answer: more than you think. Watch and decide for yourself:

  26. Heartbreaking stories!! Can’t see how the Dems will win the Senate in 2014 as the avalanche of horror stories pour in.

    Another excellent article, Admin! I know your expose on Michelle will be explosive. As I recall, she (and Jared?) were also involved in dumping patients in Chicago back in the day. Cold-blooded snakes, the lot of them!

  27. jbstonesfan: I do not see Obama or his party recovering from the Obamacare debacle. However, I see the Republican party imploding, because their contempt for their own base has reached epic proportions, as illustrated by the following article. The operative question, then, is who will implode faster? (Note: how ironic that the white middle class who was always the center of the political contest has been relegated to the margins by both political parties.)
    ————————————————————-
    Did the NRSC’s Josh Holmes Just Cost Mitch McConnell His Primary?

    by Dan Riehl 3 Nov 2013, 3:24 PM PDT 510 post a comment

    In 9-plus years of blogging, never have I seen a story this telling of a Republican Party that doesn’t understand its base, or New Media.

    Worse, it’s indicative of a corrupt inside-the-Beltway party that has abandoned or decided to ignore nearly everything I believe in as an American and a conservative. This is a disaster for several reasons; I’ll try to briefly and clearly explain my thinking below.

    GLOVES OFF: GOP ESTABLISHMENT GOES AFTER TEA PARTY The National Republican Senate Committee, the GOP campaign arm responsible for Senate elections, has decided to use its political power to block consulting firm Jamestown Associates from receiving political work from GOP candidates or incumbents.

    First and foremost, this has nothing to do with Jamestown Associates, or the Senate Conservative Fund. It’s foolish for McConnell and company to pretend there aren’t dozens of firms capable of pursuing any business one or another firm might forego.

    Furthermore, since when did the GOP decide it was against the free market AND the First Amendment? The insular nature of thinking that led McConnell, Josh Holmes, and the NRSC into this debacle should frighten all Americans. It’s Neo-leftist, all but Stalin-esque, and especially grotesque coming from a party that purports to stand for liberty. This is not the GOP I came to support when I abandoned the Democrat Party to vote for Ronald Reagan. If this kind of nonsense keeps up, soon, I won’t be supporting the GOP at all.

    The grassroots base the GOP needs to turn out for them to win elections neither knows nor cares about a Jamestown whatever, or some “fund.” But that some thirty-something upstart who appears never to have held a real job outside of the DC political bubble thinks running to the New York Times is a smart way to send someone a message, given the nature of this message and the current state of GOP politics, is truly one of the dumbest moves I’ve seen out of DC in some time. All it did was confirm the absolute worst fears of an already all-too-weary GOP base.

    How on Earth does an allegedly seasoned GOP political operator like a Josh Holmes think it wise to run to the Times with what amounts to a jack-booted attempt to stifle both free market capitalism and political dissent? Those are supposed to be core values for the GOP. Yet, here we see a DC GOP establishment on display at its worst—saying, in effect, “If you engage in a form of commerce we don’t like, we will try to destroy you! If you attempt to exercise your First Amendment right to free speech to say something with which we disagree, we will try to destroy you!”

    That position is not only unworthy of but totally unacceptable for any political party within our Constitutional republic. Frankly, it sounds more like something right out of a totalitarian regime, and it truly disgusts me as an American. I’m ashamed to think that a party to which I am connected is even thinking in such terms within its inner circles.

    THAT is the message Holmes sent to the base here. And whether the Beltway GOP likes it or not, it’s the only one an increasingly restive base is going to take away from all this. And that’s only the beginning of why this is so bad for Mitch McConnell, now likely facing an emboldened and even more empowered primary challenger back home in Kentucky.

    Frankly, I had been of a mind to give McConnell a pass in Kentucky. Why waste time and money better spent trying to take out a vulnerable Democrat, perhaps Mary Landrieu in Louisiana? Now, thanks to Josh Holmes’ little anti-free market, anti-First Amendment, fascist-like snit fit in the New York Times, that’s now not only the furthest thing from my mind – it’s a position rendered all but impossible for me to defend. Heckuva job, Josh. Heckuva job.

    Now, here’s why it matters so much for McConnell. Obviously the DC GOP doesn’t know, understand, or respect its base, including in New Media, to realize we can and will connect the dots. Clearly, McConnell moved his COS to the NRSC to do his dirty work, not only in his own race but against the conservative movement as a whole. In essence, his fingerprints are all over this disastrous NYT story, and any suggestion that isn’t the case is implausible to the point of being laughable. And it gets worse.

    And on Friday, one of Mr. McConnell’s closest aides offered a vivid metaphor about the leader’s determination.

    “S.C.F. has been wandering around the country destroying the Republican Party like a drunk who tears up every bar they walk into,” said Josh Holmes, Mr. McConnell’s chief of staff, now detailed to the National Republican Senatorial Committee through the election. “The difference this cycle is that they strolled into Mitch McConnell’s bar and he doesn’t throw you out, he locks the door.”

    Scott Reid of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is also quoted in the NYT’s item.

    “These are not the kind of people we would ever do business with,” said Scott Reed, senior political strategist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

    My, my, my, well, isn’t this special. And who handles, or handled comms for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce as recently as last year, if not still? Oh, that would be the wife of McConnell’s hand picked neo-nitwit quoted in the very same story mouthing off on the part of the NRSC. And all the happy couple did was poke a stick at an already riled up base. That is something McConnell—already under siege—simply didn’t need, no matter who or how many Washington flunkies thought it was a good idea. Pro-Tip, Mitch: the honeymoon is now officially over! Thanks to your boy genius there, more people than ever are now sharpening their pitchforks and thinking about playing in Kentucky.

    Blair Latoff and Josh Holmes: Mrs. Holmes, 30, is the senior director of communications at the United States Chamber of Commerce in Washington. [emphasis added]

    This narrative now reeks of the very type of corrupt, inside-the-Beltway, bubble-headed, corporatist, and, ultimately, internecine nonsense of an otherwise un-accomplished D.C. GOP that understands neither its base, nor New Media as a genuine player in politics today. Sadly, it’s also an indicator that the GOP is moving in precisely the opposite direction from its base, all but forcing the conclusion that Mitch McConnell is no longer capable, or qualified to be considered as a leader within it, assuming it still wants to have a base in the years ahead.

    As someone who has voted Republican reliably since 1980, I’m no longer sure they do want a base, given events of the last several years.

    Sorry, Mitch. I honestly had considered using my little platform here to try and encourage friends and fans to give you a pass, while shifting more time and money over to taking out Landrieu in LA. Thanks to your hand- picked would-be henchman at the NRSC, Holmes, that’s now an impossible position for me to take and defend. If the many phone calls I’ve had both to and from other activists in the last two days are any indication, all Holmes did was energize and incentivize the very movement against you, which you so shortsightedly dispatched him to the NRSC to try and quash.

    In the end, perhaps no one on our side now wins, and the Democrats and liberal media will get everything they want and more. But don’t pretend, or direct your surrogates to pretend, for a moment that you didn’t escalate this to a level to which it didn’t need to rise.

    I could end this with Game on. But somehow having worked for the late Andrew Breitbart, it seems just a bit more fitting to end it with: #WAR!

  28. Not a day goes by that the need for a third party does not become more and more apparent.

    Not a day goes by that we see the old paradigm of democrat vs republican has been superceded by the new, and far more pernicious paradigm of Washington DC vs. the American People.

    It will be fascinating to see how establishment republicans win national elections, by losing their base. It will require a greater than Houdini to pull off that trick. But with operatives like Holmes and Holmes, they will prevail inside their bubble, and that is enough for them, because that is the only world these Harvard trained fools understand. But as we saw with the Czarist army in world war I, if the base becomes sufficiently disenchanted with its putative leaders, and if those leaders show contempt for them, then the invocation of patriotism and pleas for unity will no longer avail.

  29. I support Republicans who want to restrain the federal budget. I had a lot of sympathy for Sen. Ted Cruz and his colleagues when they threw themselves in front of the train in an attempt to delay Obamacare. Austerity is not a governing platform for any party, however. The plain fact is that if we can’t get the U.S. economy out of its “new normal” doldrums with economic growth languishing in the 1%-2% range, and we can’t raise the labor force participation rate from the alarming 63% level to which it has sunk under Obama, we can’t fix the budget problems. Our economy won’t be able to bear the retirement and medical costs of the next thirty years without unacceptable pain.

    http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2013/11/02/national-security-and-economic-growth-a-new-plan/2/

  30. Very passionate admin, excellent post.

    Your story of the people you trusted falling for the rusted calf sounds like my world. I can count on one hand, people that I am most close to, that saw the true Obama and were not willing to vote for him – less than 5 people in my personal circle.

    The blog has been a sanctuary of sanity for me, thank you Admin and Big Pinkers.

  31. Shadow: The blog has been a sanctuary of sanity for me, thank you Admin and Big Pinkers.
    —————-
    Infinitely true. Don’t know what I’d do if I could not come here.

  32. My God – I feel like I’m living in Stalin’s Russia! 🙁
    ===

    Forced collectivization of the health care kulaks via single payer is inevitable under Obamacare

    The Revolt of the Kulaks Has Begun, February 22, 2009, just over a month after Obama’s first inauguration:

    In the end, as must all economic redistributors, Obama either will have to resort to repressive measures, or he will have to abandon his redistributive plans.

    The great Obamacare reform is turning into the great thrust of tens of millions of people onto Medicaid.

    The problem is, fewer and fewer doctors are willing to take Medicaid patients because the reimbursements are so low.

    I have met numerous doctors who tell me they either refuse Medicaid patients or restrict them because the reimbursements do not cover their costs. They also double and triple book, because so many Medicaid patients who make appointments don’t show up. As to Medicare the payments currently are bearable, but only because private insurance payments for other patients make up the shortfall.

    Increasingly, doctors are abandoning the government payment train wreck, and going all cash or some hybrid. This all was foreseeable and was foreseen.

    The millions of new Medicaid patients will have insurance, just no doctors to see them. That is a feature, not a glitch, to those who want single payer. Obamacare is proceeding accordingly to plan.

    So this report (via @SissyWillis) is no surprise, Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients:

    …. here is Kathleen Murphy, Democrat running for the House of Delegates against Barbara Comstock, telling a forum in Great Falls that she believes it should law to force doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Forced by government decree, mind you. A birdie sent me this:

    FYI last night at the Great Falls Grange debate, Democrat delegate candidate Kathleen Murphy said that since many doctors are not accepting medicaid and medicare patients, she advocates making it a legal requirement for those people to be accepted.

    She did not recognize that the payments are inadequate to cover the doctors’ costs. She also did not recognize there is a shortage of over 45,000 physicians now and that it is forecast to be 90,000 in a few years.

    MORE @
    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/forced-collectivization-of-the-health-care-kulaks-via-single-payer-is-inevitable-under-obamacare/

  33. I think the dam is about to break with Democrats. I also think the Republicans have piddled around too long in not strongly critiquing and repudiating every single horrific goal of Obamacare. To do so would legitimize what Cruz, Lee and House conservative Tea Party members were trying to do and they had rather bite their own nose off. Staying somewhat silent is necessary while it is actively imploding but they may have given the Democrats too much time to rebel now against Reid and Pelosi who have held the line pretty well but it is now failing and panic has set in. Now cancer patient antidotes are making their way into the media which the Dems will not be able to stand up with. I think starting next year Obamacare will be disassembled piece by piece via the courts and/or legislation. Obama’s “top men” screwed up and his name now means ultimate failure.

  34. This only emphasizes the comment identified as wbboei November 3, 2013 at 11:23 pm.
    Obviously the War on People has begun. Adios to the guy I thought was nice, moral. Who could not stand up for himself but will pimp for GOP:

    “…On NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday, Romney also took a not-so-subtle jab at Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R), a Tea Party favorite, by refusing to put him on a short-list of people he thinks are legitimate 2016 Republican contenders.
    “Chris, by the way, could easily become our nominee and save our party and help get this nation on the right track again,” Romney told host David Gregory. “They don’t come better than Chris Christie.”
    Romney’s praise of Christie came at a time when a new book, “Double Down: Game Change 2012,” details the nightmarish vetting process of Christie as a potential vice presidential candidate in last year’s election. There were concerns about his health, weight, and other issues that popped up from Christie’s time as attorney general and from his brother’s securities-fraud settlement.
    Romney brushed those aside, saying Christie had satisfied his campaign’s requirements. He also cast Christie’s credentials — and the fact that he is set up to win re-election by a landslide in blue-state New Jersey on Tuesday — as something that makes him stand out as a member of the 2016-hopeful field.
    “At this stage, you look at Chris Christie and say, ‘That’s a very impressive guy,’ with a great track record, with a demonstrated ability to work across the aisle, with support of labor and blue-collar voters in New Jersey,” Romney said. …”
    http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romney-chris-christie-ted-cruz-2016-2013-11

  35. I recently learned that the mainstream statewide GOP Commonwealth Club is hosting a soiree for Reps Tom Marino and Lou Barletta. The 1 1/2 hour event is apparently free, but one must be a member in good standing of “the club” – $1000 for most, $500 for students. And that’s hardly “common.” But for awhile – not very long, actually – I could hope it would work out well for the little people.

    And after reading here this morning that the gloves are off, true alarm has rightfully set in. Just when the Ocare victory was coming into view and looking sweet, the other shoe has dropped. That Mitt got off his righteous ass to chime is was just the icing on the cake.

  36. I saw Jackie Mason twice in person. The man is hysterical! He is also very well liked in NYC.
    ===

    Famous comic flays Obama as lying ‘maniac’

    ‘If he wasn’t the president, he’d be in jail or in a sanitarium’

    Legendary comedian Jackie Mason has uncorked a full-blown assault on President Obama and his troubled attempt at providing health care for Americans.

    “It’s such a ridiculous thing. The whole country’s walking around wondering if this guy’s really the president of a country. He sounds more like a maniac in an asylum,” Mason said in a radio interview Sunday night.

    “He’s saying things that nobody believes. He was always lying every day of his life. Every time he talks it was a lie. The only time he tells the truth is when you didn’t hear from him.”

    “This is becoming so ridiculous, that even the biggest liar can’t top himself,” Mason, 76, told host Aaron Klein on WABC in New York City. “He looks at you straight in the face, and tells you that if you want your plan, you got your plan, you keep your plan. Now, a month-and-a-half later, you got no plan, you lost your plan, and he tells you you still got a plan.”

    (Click on the screen below to hear all of Jackie Mason’s comments:)

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/legendary-comic-flays-obama-as-lying-maniac/#RXlsymmILWRxyIJv.99

  37. 2 new NJGOV polls show Christie over 60%.

    No NJ GOV has ever run more than 13.6% above previous party POTUS nominee.

  38. Obamacare deception meets reality

    Posted by William A. Jacobson Monday, November 4, 2013 at 8:45am

    On June 16, 2009, in the earliest days of discussion about what form Obamacare would take, I wrote, Deception and Tyranny Key To Health Care Reform:

    The only way the Obama administration and Democrats can force through the types of changes they envision for the health care system is through deception and tyranny. Honesty and freedom have no place in a system of national health care.

    And now the deception and tyranny is being exposed for all to see. You cannot keep your insurance plan and doctor, and adminsitratively Obamacare is not ready for prime time. Worse still, the dysfunctional nature of restructuring 1/6th of the economy is having ripple effects throughout the health care industry, with patients put at risk and doctors drafting exit plans.

    Meanwhile, the Editors of The NY Times are trying to wordsmith away Obama’s clearly knowing false statement that people could keep their insurance plans by saying Obama “misspoke.”

    Obama and his aides knew at the time that it was not accurate — they even kicked around whether to make the statement.

    At least some other outlets are not playing the game.

    From NY Mag, this fairly comprehensive account of how many time that promise was made (h/t Twitchy):

    Meanwhile, CBS News reveals this morning that despite Obama’s and Kathleen Sebekius’s repeated assurances earlier this year that healthcare.gov was ready to go, there were clear and present warnings otherwise:

    CBS News is learning the Obama administration knew of the risks associated with the Obamacare rollout well before last month.

    Three years ago, a trusted Obama health care adviser warned the White House it was losing control of Obamacare. A memo obtained by CBS News said strong leadership was missing and the law’s successful implementation was in jeopardy. The warnings were specific and dire — and ignored….

    David Cutler, who worked on the Obama 2008 campaign and was a valued outside health care consultant wrote this blunt memo to top White House economic adviser Larry Summers in May 2010: “I do not believe the relevant members of the administration understand the president’s vision or have the capability to carry it out.”

    Cutler wrote no one was in charge who had any experience in complex business start-ups. He also worried basic regulations, technology and policy coordination would fail….

    The White House dismissed these and other warnings. It relied on appointed bureaucrats and senior White House health care advisers. Fearful of constant attacks from congressional Republicans, the White House became secretive about the law’s complexity and regulatory reach.

    Memo reveals health care adviser warned W.H. was losing control 3 years ago

  39. In other words, Obama’s statement was fraudulent, based on the five (5) elements of fraud, i.e.

    1. representation: if you want your health care, you can keep it

    2. falsity: in point of fact, Obamacare has caused the loss of existing insurance for millions of people

    3. knowledge of falsity: Obama and his aided debated whether to say that because they knew it was not true

    4. reliance: a majority of the electorate bought the lie and voted for him because of it, and other reasons

    5. damage: 10-15 million people are losing their insurance due to Obamacare

    (Note: this is but one of a cornucopia of problems emanating from Obamacare, rising premiums and loss of doctors and delays in medical treatment and the the drying up of the private insurance market being others.)

  40. Mike Rogers is a solid citizen and a responsible legislator. A bit of a plodder perhaps, and it is not his fault that he has to sit with the gun grabber from California. But, Mike, before you double down on this delay (rather than defund)remedy for the blight of Obamacare you need to understand that there is no luke warm hell.

    Let me be cold, heartless and Machiavellian for just a moment. There are two ways to kill this vampire. One is to defund it. The other is to let it proceed with all deliberate speed, as in damned the torpedoes full speed ahead. If you believe nothing else, believe this: regardless of what they claim, the RINO position which advocates delay is calculated to save Obamacare by making it more palatable rather than to destroy it, which defunding or the chaos of immediate implementation would yield.

    You do not have to believe me if you do not want to, but if you value the truth then at a minimum you need to understand the concept of Obamacare was first proposed by RINOS at the behest of their insurance industry clients, in response to Hillary care. You would do well to review that history, and it was actually proposed through Kennedy to Hillary, if memory serves. Also, the motive to save Obamacare by the RINO, and is simultaneous outrage against Cruz and Lee who sought to kill it, is once again motivated by their earnest desire to enrich their insurance industry clients and to fuck the clueless American People like a house cat.

    (Note: I do not put Mike Rogers in that category, but without realizing it, he is carrying their water. He is looking to soften the blow on the American People from this legislation, which means he is temporizing rather than confronting. The answer here is not to soften the blow, but to avoid it altogether.)

  41. I realize that proceeding apace would not avoid the blow. On the contrary it would accentuate it for a limited amount of time, but long enough for the dullest wit in the electorate and the most dishonest writer for the New York Times to concede the inevitable, that this program is a monumental failure and muse be withdrawn immediately. The law of the land argument would then fall by the wayside, the same way it did when the law of the land was prohibition.

  42. I mentioned that I through a fundraiser for McConnell a number of years back, but I never explained the reason. My company at the time was trying to get approval for a merger with a foreign company, which would bring jobs here rather than exporting them off seas, and it would offer consumers a third choice in a market which was, and still is, a duopoly. Despite these advantages, McConnell told us through channels that he would not help us unless we through a fundraiser for him. Erickson’s comments below serve to further illustrate his modus operandi, and why, despite the support of McCaine, Rove (McNutt and Sidney Greenstreet) and big media, Mitch is going down, towit:

    “There is a new paradigm of empowered grassroots activists at work. They are not intimidated. They will not be silenced. They do not fear McConnell. They hate him and want him out of office. McConnell has always relied on an alliance of staffers who’ve moved to K Street to get rich. He gives them access, they make lots of money, then they return money to his campaign coffers. It is a loyalty that extends to a lobbyist class now attacking the Senate Conservatives Fund because their gravy train may be ending. But it is a loyalty that does not exist at the grassroots level within the conservative movement or even Kentucky.”
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    Mitch McConnell Embraces the Anti-Rush Limbaugh Playbook

    By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | November 4th, 2013 at 03:30 AM | 35

    For the last year, the left has engaged in an organized campaign to drive Rush Limbaugh off the air. Knowing they cannot go after Rush Limbaugh directly, the left has launched repeated boycotts against any advertisers who dare advertise while Rush Limbaugh is on. Consequently, some advertisers decided to stop advertising at all on political talk radio, depriving the genre as a whole of resources.

    And it still hasn’t hurt Rush Limbaugh.

    Mitch McConnell has decided to embrace the same strategy in his war against the Senate Conservatives Fund. He can’t attack the Jim DeMint created Senate Conservatives Fund outright, so instead he will launch an all out war against anyone who does business with the Senate Conservatives Fund.

    This story, from the New York Times, is intriguing. McConnell has demanded, via the National Republican Senatorial Committee, that anyone who wants GOP support stop hiring Jamestown Associates. The organization is used by a number of Republican elected leaders and candidates. In fact, Senator Ted Cruz uses Jamestown Associates. So does Governor Chris Christie. For that matter, Senators Marco Rubio, Roy Blunt, Mark Kirk, Dan Coats, and Pat Toomey have all benefited from Jamestown Associates. Outside groups hired Jamestown Associates to make independent expenditures on behalf of those Senators. [edit: JA did not directly work for those Senators, but handled independent expenditures on their behalf]

    But McConnell is perfectly happy destroying a private company his Senate Republican colleagues use because Jamestown Associates also helps the Senate Conservatives Fund. And the Senate Conservatives Fund just endorsed Matt Bevin against Mitch McConnell.

    McConnell would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven. He’d rather be minority leader, than have a Republican Senate majority without him. Updated: From the comments by Darin H: “Apparently McConnell would rather serve in Hell than even bother with Heaven.”

    It’s all the sadder still in that McConnell worked against Ted Cruz’s effort to defund Obamacare. 280,000 Kentuckians are losing their insurance. But McConnell would rather drive a private enterprise out of business than fight for those Kentuckians losing their health insurance. If only McConnell had put as much energy into stopping Obamacare as he has stopping a business that does work with the Senate Conservatives Fund.

    Outside observers have listed the Kentucky Senate race as a toss up. It does not lean McConnell’s way. This is very important to note. This is very important to understand. The polling in the race is terrible for McConnell. Charitably it breaks even against an empty suit of a Democrat. McConnell has already spent over $6 million. He is the weakest Republican incumbent up for re-election in 2014. Were it another Senator, McConnell would be pressuring him to retire.

    McConnell has never been the grand strategist some claim he is. He is a bully who tries to get his way through intimidation. The New York Daily News notes McConnell aide Josh Holmes alluding to the movie “A Bronx Tale” with this quote:

    “S.C.F. has been wandering around the country destroying the Republican Party like a drunk who tears up every bar they walk into,” Holmes said. “The difference this cycle is that they strolled into Mitch McConnell’s bar and he doesn’t throw you out, he locks the door.”

    Mitch McConnell is the thug in the bar who controls through intimidation. He badgers, bullies, threatens, and cajoles others into giving him his way. Because of his position, most yield to his intimidation. And when others do not yield, he goes after their associates.

    But there is a new paradigm of empowered grassroots activists at work. They are not intimidated. They will not be silenced. They do not fear McConnell. They hate him and want him out of office. McConnell has always relied on an alliance of staffers who’ve moved to K Street to get rich. He gives them access, they make lots of money, then they return money to his campaign coffers. It is a loyalty that extends to a lobbyist class now attacking the Senate Conservatives Fund because their gravy train may be ending. But it is a loyalty that does not exist at the grassroots level within the conservative movement or even Kentucky.

    The only tactic McConnell can respond with is driving private businesses into the ground if they dare help those opposed to him — no matter who else they help. Senate Republicans and challengers in the races to be decided next year need to understand the bottom line here — Mitch McConnell is making it the NRSC’s job preservation of Mitch McConnell, damn the rest of the candidates. Don’t believe me? Where are the other groups the NRSC is blackballing? Right now, the only ones being blackballed are the ones who are on the opposite side of Mitch McConnell in Kentucky.

    I’m giving another $100.00 to the Senate Conservatives Fund. If Mitch McConnell wants to bleed the NRSC dry to save him at everyone else’s expense, I’m happy to make that happen. Or, he can just retire.

  43. The Week the Wheels Came off Obamacare

    Obamacare’s numbers paint a bleak picture of broken promises and outright lies.

    by
    Stephen Green

    The pols and pundits can argue and fingerpoint until they’re blue in the — finger? — but Obamacare’s numbers paint a bleak picture of broken promises and outright lies. After a full month, nearly 40,000 people have successfully signed up for health insurance at HealthCare.gov, out of an administration goal of over seven million by the end of March. At that rate, the administration will have met its goal sometime in the autumn — of 2028.

    Mind you, the goal of Obamacare was to provide coverage for some 47,000,000 uninsured Americans. So take those 15 years and multiply them by about seven. You’re gonna need a bigger calculator.

    Ignored in those dreary statistics is the fact that people are being dumped out of their current coverage and onto the nonfunctional exchanges faster than the exchanges can handle them. An estimated 1,500,000 have lost their coverage, up against those newly insured 40,000. The best guess is that seven or eight million more face the same fate.

    Which brings us to Kyle Smith in Saturday’s New York Post:

    This week was something new. It was the week Obama was revealed to be a stone-cold liar.

    Some 10 million Americans are going to lose their health insurance as a direct result of the Affordable Care Act.

    On June 15, 2009, Obama said, in one of hundreds of similar statements, “No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

    This wasn’t just bulls – – t. This was a lie.

    Well and simply put, Kyle. But now what? Slate’s William Saletan argues that Obama still has the polls on his side:

    In a CBS News survey taken Oct. 1–2, a majority of Americans—51 to 43 percent—disapproved of the Affordable Care Act. Only 43 percent, however, said the law went “too far in changing the U.S. health care system.” Thirty percent said the law was about right, and 20 percent said it didn’t go far enough. The plurality supported the law or an extension of it. In an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll taken Oct. 7–9, 43 percent of respondents said the law was a bad idea. Only 38 percent called it a good idea. But 50 percent opposed “totally eliminating federal funding” for it, compared with 39 percent who favored cutting off funds.

    Those numbers certainly do seem daunting for the GOP, especially since that bickering bunch on Capitol Hill has yet to coalesce themselves around a repeal or a replacement for Obama’s namesake reform act. What Saletan ignores, however, is that the law as structured simply isn’t working. If the solution isn’t a full repeal, then that solution is going to require a president with enough political capital to push it through a recalcitrant House.

    And where is Bull***tter-in-Chief, if I may riff off Kyle Smith, going to get enough oomph for that challenging a task? The politics of reforms will get even more difficult for the president as Americans come to grips with the sticker shock of higher premiums coupled with higher deductibles, and as we learn more about HealthCare.gov’s security breaches, blacklistings, (further) service outages, and just basic incompetence.

    It gets even worse for the president as details continue to emerge from how Obamacare was enacted. Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin tell a chilling tale in the Washington Post:

    Three and a half years later, such insularity — in that decision and others that would follow — has emerged as a central factor in the disastrous rollout of the new federal health insurance marketplace, casting doubt on the administration’s capacity to carry out such a complex undertaking.

    “They were running the biggest start-up in the world, and they didn’t have anyone who had run a start-up, or even run a business,” said David Cutler, a Harvard professor and health adviser to Obama’s 2008 campaign, who was not the individual who provided the memo to The Washington Post but confirmed he was the author. “It’s very hard to think of a situation where the people getting legislation passed are best at implementing it.

    Maybe the American public really does prefer reform to repeal. In that, they may be wise, because Obamacare has already wreaked so much havoc in the insurance industry and in the delivery of medical services, that there may be no putting Humpty Dumpty back together.

    Obama demanded a law to “fundamentally transform” American healthcare. The law he got is largely the law he wanted — largely through subterfuge and lies. As the chief executive of that law, it was his administration’s job to implement it, and they failed miserably. Will Americans now trust him to reform it? It seems unlikely. More likely, the country will hobble along aimlessly for another three years with low growth, poor employment, and a worsening health care system. That’s a terrible price for an entire nation to pay for the sake of one man’s hubris and mendacity.

    Obama broke this, but we have to buy it — from a website which doesn’t work.

  44. I’m glad to hear confirmation that Mike Rogers (MI) is a good guy. I’d had that inkling but cannot be specific. Also I’m surprised that two out-of-state House members have bothered to send me correspondence stating their views on subjects the post cards have covered. A very nice one by Ann Wagner of Missouri, and another just in that I’ve barely scanned, from Ken Calvert of CA.

    Perhaps ABC does not like CBS “owning” so much of Ocare’s troubles, for Twitter just yielded this from ABC, and it is a dandy:
    “…While President Obama and other top aides have publicly reassured frustrated consumers that they can bypass the troubled website and apply by phone in as little as 25 minutes, those working most closely with the rollout acknowledged privately that even the nonelectronic avenues would be no more efficient or guaranteed, the documents show.
    “The same portal is used to determine eligibility no matter how the application is submitted (paper, online),” reads a Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight memo from Oct. 11.
    “The paper applications allow people to feel like they are moving forward in the process and provides another option,” it says. “At the end of the day, we are all stuck in the same queue….”
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/11/obamacare-paper-phone-web-apps-stuck-in-the-same-queue-memos-note/

    Back in the 1980’s AT&T had similar trouble – only one path for everything. Only the failed connection was external to computers of the day. And incredible as it seems now, all communications were via telephone wire. Many ATT-Bell Labs east coast facilities were connected to the huge IBM mainframes at Aurora CO by a telco switching office in Hinsdale IL. The place suffered a huge fire, and most computer processing ceased, probably for several weeks. Although engineering generally had the concept of redundancy in mind, it was a huge whoops – as I’m sure this current situation should be.

  45. Howard Kurtz is useless baggage. Nothing new, interesting or insightful ever passes his lips. A media critic who makes a living admiring the media, vilfying outsiders and revelling in the inside game is useless as tits on a boar (bore). In that respect, his closest competitor is Charlie Cook, yet another world class dimwit and dullard.

  46. What we are witnessing right now is an unprecedented centralization of political power and economic liberty in Washington which will eventuate in a dependent population, unable to think for itself and accustomed to being prodded like sheep to whatever result the ruling class wants.

  47. If this is true, then Senator Feinstein is dirty. She and her husband stand to make nearly a billion from the sell-off of public land, who was given the EXCLUSIVE listing for the sale of that property.

    If memory serves, she and her husband also enriched themselves through the sale of The Presidio. This is yet another pay to play scheme.

    You can sure see why rinos dinos and big media hate the tea party. People who engage in this level of malfeasance, which is common in the political establishment, hate to be called on it.

    —————————————————

    The US has entered into a contract with a real estate firm to sell 56 buildings that currently house U.S. Post Offices. The government has decided it no longer needs these buildings, most of which are located on prime land in towns and cities

    across the country. The sale of these properties will fetch about $19 billion.

    A regular real estate commission will be paid to the company that was given the exclusive listing for handling the sales. That company is CRI and it belongs to a man named Richard Blum.

    Richard Blum is the husband of Senator Dianne Feinstein. (Most voters and many of the government people who approved the deal have not made the connection between the two because they have different last names).

    Senator Feinstein and her husband stand to make a fortune (estimated at between $950 million and $1.1 billion!!) from these transactions.

    His company is the sole real estate on the sale. CRI will be making a minimum of 3% and as much as 6% commission on each and every sale.

    All of the properties that are being sold are all fully paid for. They were purchased with U.S. taxpayers’ dollars. The USPS is allowed free and clear, tax exempt use. The only cost to keep them open is the cost to actually keep the doors open and the heat and lights on. The United States Postal Service doesn’t even have to pay county property taxes on these subject properties.

    Would you put your house in foreclosure just because you couldn’t afford to pay the electric bill?

    Well, the folks in Washington have given the Post Office the OK to do it! Worse yet, most of the net proceeds of the sales will go back to the USPS an organization that is so poorly managed that they have lost $117 billion dollars in the past 10 years! No one in the mainstream media is even raising an eyebrow over the conflict of interest and on the possibility of corruption on the sale of billions of dollars’ worth of public assets.

    How does a U.S. Senator from San Francisco manage to get away with organizing and lobbying such a sweet deal? Has our government become so elitist that they have no fear of oversight? And it’s no mere coincidence that these two public service crooks have different last names; a feeble attempt at avoiding transparency in these type of transactions.

    Pass this info on before it’s pulled from the internet.
    Verified on Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/blum.asp
    Also confirmed by: http://www.truthorfiction.com/google-result.htm?q=Post%20Office%20buildings%20blum

  48. The Feinstein example serves to illustrate just how out of control the corruption is in Washington. If he were not her husband, he would never have gotten these exclusive right to list all these properties, not just in California but across the country. Why was there no bid? Why was he given the right to sell all these properties. Given the fact that the nation is nearly twenty trillion in debt, might he not have considered doing all or part of this work pro bono, or at least reduced his fee. Not here, apparently.

  49. A very interesting article from The Blaze. I have never been a Glen Beck fan. He comes off to me as an opportunist and one that fans invisible flames for his own self interest. That said, every so often, he stumbles upon the truth. I tend to value the perspective of someone that has ‘been there.’ This is from an interview he did with a former Secret Service agent that is running for congress.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/31/former-secret-service-agent-warns-president-obama-sees-government-as-a-shiny-new-toy/

    From the article: {EMPHASIS MINE}

    …He added that while most will say “I have nothing to hide,” you do. Whether it’s something personal but not necessarily illegal, or some regulatory offense you didn’t even know you are committing, the government will get you if it wants to.

    “It’s only a matter of time before someone slaps an email on your desk that you sent fifteen years ago threatening to punch out your neighbor for not pruning his trees, and says, ‘Look at what I got against you. We need your information on whatever…’”

    He said the NSA scandal “gets at the roots of what liberty means…That flag means something. It’s undermining the very principles that made this country great.”

    “Remember,” Bongino concluded, “when the key is held by someone else, liberty means absolutely nothing.”

    Hillary 2016

  50. Civil Rights Leaders React to VA Dem Lt. Governor Candidate Refusing to Shake Opponent’s Hand

    National civil rights leaders reacted to Democratic candidate for Virginia Lieutenant Governor Ralph Northam refusing on camera to shake hands with his Republican opponent­right after confirming that he wants to massively expand government healthcare and not denying allegations that he thinks traditional Christians have no right to act according to their traditional-marriage views.

    Dr. Alveda King­the niece of Martin Luther King, Jr. and one of America’s most prominent and respected civil rights leaders­said in a statement to Breitbart News:

    I was saddened to learn today that Lt. Gov. candidate Ralph Northam refused to shake the hands of his opponent E.W. Jackson at the end of a television debate. I am deeply burdened by the loss of civility in politics today.

    As one who has been elected to office as a Democratic Georgia State Representative, served as a Republican presidential appointee and who has often voted as an Independent, I have often said that we would all be better off without the political squabbles that tend to divide us. Refusing to shake hands with your opponent in front of a television audience takes the loss of civility to a new low. I would hope that his refusal to shake hands had nothing to do with the color of his opponent’s skin.

    In a troubled economy, people are looking for leaders who can bring everyone together to solve the problems that confront us all. It is my hope that in these last hours of the race, Ralph Northam will recognize his inappropriate behavior and offer an apology to E.W. Jackson and to all those he hopes to represent.

    Dr. King’s reference to skin color is because Northam is white, while Jackson is African-American.

    More @ http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/03/Civil-Rights-Leaders-React-to-VA-Dem-Lt-Gov-Candidate-Refusing-to-Shake-Opponent-s-Hand

  51. The investigations on Capitol Hill are usually a waste of time because they cannot get cooperation or documents (certainly not the truth) from the executive branch. That’s too bad but it’s reality. So perhaps the best thing is for them to go home to get an earful from constituents. The people back home can slap sense into the GOP on immigration reform and warn them not to try to pass anything. Also, maybe hearing firsthand from the voters will shake ObaminationCare supporters:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/gop-strategy-on-obamacare-shut-up-and-leave-town-20131103

    GOP Strategy on Obamacare: Shut Up and Leave Town

    “When your opponent is committing suicide, don’t shoot him.” That’s advice Speaker John Boehner frequently offers to House Republicans, and it appears especially timely in the GOP battle to defeat Obamacare.

    Amid the drip-drip-drip of problems surrounding the Affordable Care Act, House Republicans appear to be seriously considering the notion that the best course may be to pipe down and allow Obamacare supporters to continue bleeding.

    “To put it in context, we should just try to get out of our own damn way for now,” said one House GOP leadership aide.

    House members left Washington on Thursday and are out this week, giving lawmakers extended time in their districts for constituent services. The timing is perfect for House Republican leaders, who have grown wary of distracting the public from Obamacare’s wobbly rollout with GOP attacks on the law.

    The strategy is a stark contrast to the bombastic tone Republicans struck fighting the law to the point of a government shutdown, and then beyond. And, according to some lawmakers, there was discussion among House members about cancelling the break and staying in Washington to continue hammering the health care law.

    But House leaders dismissed that idea, feeling confident that the best thing they can do is step back, be quiet, and let Americans watch Obamacare’s supporters contend with a faulty website, rising premiums, and an avalanche of policy cancellations.

    Essentially, top Republicans believe the negative headlines surrounding the law are doing more damage to the Obamacare brand than any hearing they can conduct or press conference they can stage. The problems speak for themselves, they argue, and Republicans risk overplaying their hand with vocal criticism.

    Of course, plenty of Republicans were making this case even before the Oct. 1 rollout, arguing that the Affordable Care Act was in for an ugly introduction. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., seemed to embrace that thinking as far back as Sept. 24, in a colloquy on the Senate floor.

    “I think this law has no chance of working,” McConnell said, adding that, “I think it is pretty safe to conclude that things that can’t work don’t stick, and don’t last.”

    Still, not all Republicans are on board with the hands-off approach.

    For instance, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has subpoenaed Health and Human Services documents regarding the HealthCare.gov rollout. Meanwhile, other committee chairmen have promised to continue holding investigative hearings into various aspects of the health care law. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is headed back to Capitol Hill to testify in the Senate this week.

    Moreover, aides expect the anti-Obamacare action to intensify at the local level. Several Republican lawmakers are planning town-hall meetings specifically geared toward spotlighting the law’s impact on individuals and families. Others will be meeting with constituents to document their struggles with Obamacare, and will turn those stories into Web videos, fundraising letters, or TV advertisements.

    House leadership made available to members a talking-point “playbook” to use during the recess entitled, “Because of Obamacare … I Lost My Insurance.” It is chock-full of suggested and scripted themes and media strategies on how to capitalize politically from the HealthCare.gov website problems and the news of policy cancellations.

    That may not bode well for the “don’t shoot” strategy. When lawmakers return from their districts on Nov. 12, they are likely to be loaded with ammunition.

    But the fact is that some conservatives have been saying for weeks that the best strategy may be a quiet one.

    “As unhappy as Americans are now at the prospect of Obamacare,” wrote Linda Chavez, a conservative commentator, weeks ago, “just wait until they have to live under it. Even Democrats will be pushing to rewrite the law once their constituents feel its full effects. Patience will pay off for the GOP.”

    If they go home they should not vacation but work.

  52. Got this LA TIMES link from a Crawdad poster. Also, comments are worth reading…many are not so favorable to our Used-Car-Salesman in Chief:

    “Why can’t Obama run the government as smoothly as his campaign?”
    by By Kathleen Hennessey and Christi Parsons
    Nov 4, 2013

    “WASHINGTON — A year after his reelection triumph, President Obama is facing an awkward question from friends and foes alike: Why can’t he run the government as well as he ran his campaign?

    What with the IRS targeting of tea party groups; the poor security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya; the eavesdropping on close allies; and the botched rollout of the landmark healthcare law, Obama increasingly seems to be battling top-level management failures as much as policy or political problems.

    On each of these controversies, Obama has claimed ignorance before the fact and outrage afterward, leaving even some Democrats to see him as asleep at the wheel.”

    [….]

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-manager-20131103,0,2282121.story#axzz2jhEMJayC

    Here are some of my favorite comments:

    Paddledaddy at 8:28 AM November 4, 2013
    “Thats rich considering LA Times is a far Left rag.But the Big O has just Fkd Up so badly they cant ignore his incompetence anymore.They are just trying to save some semblance of journalistic integrity.”

    29PalmsSailor at 7:50 AM November 4, 2013
    “Chicago style politicians and the veil of biased journalist allowed this to happen.”

    Beast_SPQR at 9:41 AM November 4, 2013
    “Why can’t Obama run the government as smoothly as his campaign ? That’s like asking “why can’t a used car salesman tell the truth? ” He is not a leader, never was. The people became enamored with his orating skills, and the media hyped him up when he never EARNED it. You put the President on a pedestal, and ended up with blue balls.”

    Erik in NE at 8:54 AM November 4, 2013
    “Reality check for all the Obama whiners and apologists; Bill Clinton had a far more aggressive and competent opposition in the Congress that fought him every step of the way. In fact, they impeached his butt. Obama and his whiners don’t have a clue what real opposition looks like. This guy is either utterly incompetent, a blatant liar, or is completely isolated from the government he was elected to lead (which begs the question, who is actually running the government?). I think he’s a run-of-the-mill liar. He lied about you keeping your health policy and doctor (read his lips), he lied about Benghazi (and people died), he lied about NSA spying, he lied about tapping world leaders phones (apparently he never heard of Angela Merkel), he lied about closing Guantanamo (glad he did), he lied about Solyndra, he stonewalled “fast and furious”, he lied about having the “most transparent” Administration, on and on and on…. This guy is one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. There’s no way around it.”

  53. More people to meet:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/for-consumers-whose-health-premiums-will-go-up-under-new-law-sticker-shock-leads-to-anger/2013/11/03/d858dd28-44a9-11e3-b6f8-3782ff6cb769_story_1.html

    For consumers whose health premiums will go up under new law, sticker shock leads to anger

    Americans who face higher ­insurance costs under President Obama’s health-care law are angrily complaining about “sticker shock,” threatening to become a new political force opposing the law even as the White House struggles to convince other consumers that they will benefit from it.

    The growing backlash involves people whose plans are being discontinued because the policies don’t meet the law’s more-stringent standards. They’re finding that many alternative policies come with higher premiums and deductibles.

    After receiving a letter from her insurer that her plan was being discontinued, Deborah Persico, a 58-year-old lawyer in the District, found a comparable plan on the city’s new health insurance exchange. But her monthly premium, now $297, would be $165 higher, and her maximum out-of-pocket costs would double.

    That means she could end up paying at least $5,000 more a year than she does now. “That’s just not fair,” said Persico, who represents indigent criminal defendants. “This is ridiculous.” [snip]

    The disruptions being caused by the new law have been especially jolting for those who support the ideals of the health-care overhaul.

    Marlys Dietrick, a 60-year-old artist from San Antonio, said she had high hopes that the new law would help many of her friends who are chefs, actors or photographers get insured. But she said they have been turned off by high premiums and deductibles and would rather pay the fine.

    I am one of those Democrats who wanted it to be better than this,” she said.

    Her insurer, Humana, informed her that her plan was being canceled and that the rate for herself and her 21-year-old son for a plan compliant with the new law would rise from $300 to $705. On the federal Web site, she found a comparable plan for $623 a month. Because her annual income is about $80,000, she doesn’t qualify for subsidies.

    A cheaper alternative on the federal exchange, she said, had a premium of $490 a month — but it was an HMO plan rather than the PPO plan she currently has. “I wouldn’t be able to go to the doctor I’ve been going to for years,” she said. “That is not a deal.”

    And both the HMO and PPO exchange plans she examined had family deductibles of $12,700, compared with her current $7,000.
    [snip]

    David Prestin, 48, who operates a gas station and diner at a truck stop in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, was unhappy to learn recently that his premiums are slated to rise from $923 to $1,283 next year under Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. [snip]

    At the same time, Prestin said, the new plan would reduce coverage for things he and Kathie need, such as free annual checkups.

    The Prestins explored HealthCare.gov. They are not eligible for subsidies, but they found a cheaper plan than the one being offered by their insurer. However, there was another problem: It would have required the couple to switch from the doctors they have seen for more than 16 years and travel more than 100 miles from their home to the nearest major hospital center for treatment — in Green Bay, Wis.

    I pay my taxes. I’m assistant chief of the volunteer fire department here in Cedar River and a first responder for Mid-County Rescue,” Prestin said. “You try to be personally accountable and play by the rules, but the more you play by the rules, the more you get beat up on.

    ObamaCare = Tea Party Recruitment office.

  54. They can’t be that stupid, so they must be lying.
    ===

    Plaque At Northeastern Illinois University Honors Abraham Lincoln . . . As A Democrat…

    I saw this on Twitter and figured it was a hoax (how could anyone be that stupid?), I did a little digging and amazingly it is not. The plaque is affixed to the exterior of the Jacob Carruthers Center for Inner City Studies of Northeastern Illinois University.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/03/plaque-at-northeastern-illinois-university-honors-abraham-lincoln-as-a-democrat/

  55. “ObamaCare = Tea Party Recruitment office.”

    Indeed. The Repubs would be wise to hold town hall meetings all next year and lend a sympathetic ear to those who’ve lost their current health insurance. The TP organically sprung up and grew as a response to the Dems making O’care the law of the land.

  56. UNREAL! White House takes to Twitter to dismiss stage-4 cancer patient’s insurance cancellation

    Dan Pfeiffer is the White House’s senior advisor to President Obama. Responding to a stage-4 cancer patient’s op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Pfeiffer took to twitter today to dismiss her complaint that she has lost her insurance coverage and her doctors because of Obamacare.

    Pfeiffer links to the “oh-so-non-partisan” source of Think Progress which claims that her insurance was cancelled because of competition in the health insurance market. This claim is absurd on its face for two reasons. First, Ms. Sunby (the author of the WSJ op-ed) lost her coverage because regulations from Obamacare forced her insurance company to drop her coverage, something Obama repeatedly promised would not happen. Secondly, with all the supposed new “competition,” Sunby now finds herself unable to find an affordable plan that allows her to keep her current doctors.

    Really class, team Obama. Attacking cancer patients on Twitter. Really…really…classy.

    http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/66002536399/unreal-white-house-takes-to-twitter-to-dismiss-stage-4#disqus_thread

  57. No surprise here!

    *********************

    ELECTION INTEGRITY ACTIVISTS: OBAMACARE ‘BIGGEST VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD SCHEME IN HISTORY’

    “Conservatives point to the Obamacare website exploiting a strange loophole in the National Voting Rights Act to question whether the President’s signature healthcare law had a political motive, as well.
    Several election integrity activists have alleged that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), or Obamacare, does not appear to have been an effort to conduct healthcare reform to fix what was described in 2009 and 2010 as a broken healthcare system.
    The law passed Congress with just Democratic Party support. Instead of being an honest attempt to fix America’s healthcare woes, “I think [it] is the biggest voter registration fraud scheme in the history of the world,” said Gregg Phillips, the founder of the election integrity group Voters Trust, in an interview with Breitbart News Wednesday morning.
    Phillips and Catherine Engelbrecht of True The Vote, another election integrity group, cite as proof what left-wing organizations are saying about how they plan to use Obamacare. Demos, a left-wing organization funded by liberal billionaire George Soros, published a report earlier this year titled: “Building a Healthy Democracy: Registering 68 Million People to Vote Through Health Benefit Exchanges.”
    On page six of the report, author Lisa Danetz argues that Obamacare “will enroll 68 million individuals.”

    [….]

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/30/Election-Integrity-Activists-Obamacare-Biggest-Voter-Registration-Fraud-Scheme-in-History

  58. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11/04/affordable-care-act-could-be-further-hamstrung-by-shortage-of-doctors/

    NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A doctor shortage threatens to make the roll-out of the Affordable Care Act even more difficult — and it could create lines for care and services.

    New Yorkers are notorious for wanting things immediately, and that includes medical care.

    But even doctors who support Obamacare say there could be delays due to more patients and fewer doctors, CBS 2’s Dick Brennan reported Monday.

    It’s like shopping during Christmas time. You’re going to have a tough time if you have all of these people demanding services at the same time,” said Dr. Steven Lamm of the NYU School of Medicine.

    Lamm said the Affordable Care Act could mean an explosion of demand for doctors and services, but will the system be able to handle it?

    “I think the concern that the system will be overwhelmed, that there will be a greater demand that we can meet in a quality fashion and we will have to delay service for a lot of individuals,” Lamm said.

    Right now, there is already a shortage of 20,000 doctors nationwide, and with healthcare expansion, plus increasing population, there will be a need for about 52,000 primary care doctors by 2025.

    This while only 20 percent of new doctors become primary care physicians and the new landscape has older doctors bailing, Brennan reported.

    “Doctors are planning to retire. Anyone near retirement age is talking about retirement because they’ve had it and they don’t want to deal with it. There’s just too much going on,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht of the New York State Medical Society.

    Others fear that centralizing medical care will squeeze out small independent doctor groups, in favor of large centralized care.

    It will be inferior care, end up going to clinics, sit where they don’t have private physicians, when they go to hospitals they won’t have doctors who know to take care of them,” cardiologist Dr. David Hess said.

  59. Current Article
    Shit Storm, Thy Name is Obamacare

    By Larry Johnson on November 4, 2013 at 9:07 PM in Current Affairs

    The debacle that is Obamacare becomes more profound, more disturbing and more widespread with each passing day. Apparently, Obama was too busy smoking dope back in 1992 and destroyed too many brain cells to learn the lesson of George H.W. Bush.

    Old Man Bush destroyed his credibility and legacy with his failure to live up to his promise, “READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES.” The only good news for Obama? He is not running again. If he dared try again, he would be beaten into belly button lint from his failure to keep his promises–IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE YOU CAN KEEP IT; IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP HIM OR HER. PERIOD.

    For those younger than forty, you now have a modern example of the absurdity that was the Soviet Union. Soviet leaders were notorious for issuing totally idiotic statements trying to redefine reality. Empty butcher shops were touted as examples of great consumer demand rather than admit the reality–the Soviet centralized economy failed utterly to provide what Soviet citizens wanted.

    The unraveling of Obamacare and his Administration is everywhere:

    Want more?

    Stalwart supporters of Obama are discovering that they are getting totally fucked by their god. Actually, economically raped is probably a more accurate description:

    Marlys Dietrick, a 60-year-old artist from San Antonio, said she had high hopes that the new law would help many of her friends who are chefs, actors or photographers get insured. But she said they have been turned off by high premiums and deductibles and would rather pay the fine.

    “I am one of those Democrats who wanted it to be better than this,” she said.

    Her insurer, Humana, informed her that her plan was being canceled and that the rate for herself and her 21-year-old son for a plan compliant with the new law would rise from $300 to $705. On the federal Web site, she found a comparable plan for $623 a month. Because her annual income is about $80,000, she doesn’t qualify for subsidies.

    A cheaper alternative on the federal exchange, she said, had a premium of $490 a month — but it was an HMO plan rather than the PPO plan she currently has. “I wouldn’t be able to go to the doctor I’ve been going to for years,” she said. “That is not a deal.”

    And both the HMO and PPO exchange plans she examined had family deductibles of $12,700, compared with her current $7,000.

    The most heartbreaking testimony so far comes courtesy of Edie Sundby:

    My grievance is not political; all my energies are directed to enjoying life and staying alive, and I have no time for politics. For almost seven years I have fought and survived stage-4 gallbladder cancer, with a five-year survival rate of less than 2% after diagnosis. I am a determined fighter and extremely lucky. But this luck may have just run out: My affordable, lifesaving medical insurance policy has been canceled effective Dec. 31.

    My choice is to get coverage through the government health exchange and lose access to my cancer doctors, or pay much more for insurance outside the exchange (the quotes average 40% to 50% more) for the privilege of starting over with an unfamiliar insurance company and impaired benefits.

    Countless hours searching for non-exchange plans have uncovered nothing that compares well with my existing coverage. But the greatest source of frustration is Covered California, the state’s Affordable Care Act health-insurance exchange and, by some reports, one of the best such exchanges in the country. After four weeks of researching plans on the website, talking directly to government exchange counselors, insurance companies and medical providers, my insurance broker and I are as confused as ever. Time is running out and we still don’t have a clue how to best proceed.

    I strongly urge you to read her full piece at the Wall Street Journal.

    And then there is Karma. Got to love this:

    Democratic officials said top administration aides got a close-up view of the cancellation controversy last week, when Sen. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., said at a closed-door meeting of the party’s rank and file that his son had received notice his coverage was being terminated.

    In response, these officials said White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough referred to a speech Obama had made earlier in the week saying some of those losing coverage would qualify under Medicaid, some would receive federal subsidies for individual coverage, and others would have options in the so-called exchanges the law set up to allow individuals to shop for insurance. Donnelly’s office declined several requests for comment. The officials who described the incident did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss a private meeting.

    Cry me a damn river. (Thanks Helen, great link.)

    The best video image describing what Obama has created comes courtesy of Director Kevin Smith:

    Obama is doing the political equivalent of farting rancid beans and wants you, the American public, to believe it is rose water fragrance. Shit is shit.

    (Note: the video Larry refers to is posted above)

  60. That Harvard med student clearly lacks any critical thinking abilities. I bet he also believes that pharmaceutical industry-sponsored studies constitute real science.

  61. Rut ro. If Christie chooses Martinez for his running mate, it could be problematic for Hillary in 2016. I thought Martinez and Mia Love stole the show at the 2012 Republican convention. Martinez, like myself, is more of a moderate. Anyone know what her stance is on the amnesty for illegals issue?

    “LAKEWOOD, N.J. — New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez is eager to see the nation elect its first female president — a milestone she called “long past overdue” in an interview with RealClearPolitics on Monday.

    But the popular first-term Republican governor said she is disinclined to seek the position herself.

    “I’m the first female Hispanic governor in the country, and being that first female Hispanic governor in the country, with it comes a lot of responsibility,” she said. “And I have to do the job of being governor for New Mexico right. There are a lot of little girls watching, and because there are a lot of little girls watching, I can’t walk away from a position not having accomplished the things I said I was going to do.”

    Martinez, who was in New Jersey for a full day of campaign appearances with Gov. Chris Christie, noted that she took the reins of a state that ranked next to last in education — an issue that remains urgent as she faces re-election next year.

    “My priority is moving the needle in the right direction, because then those little girls can dream to be something maybe like me, beyond me, or anything else. But I want to pave that path for them,” she said. “So being governor is what I want to be.”

    Martinez has echoed this line of thought previously when explaining why she won’t run for president, but in Monday’s interview she did not answer directly when asked if she would consider being the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee.

    “I’m so focused on New Mexico,” she replied.

    Since being elected in 2010, Martinez has steadily risen on Republican strategists’ presidential wish lists, becoming one of the most highly coveted campaign surrogates for GOP candidates nationwide.

    Like Christie, Martinez is a former prosecutor turned popular Republican governor in a blue state, earning approval ratings consistently topping 60 percent.

    As she joined the New Jersey incumbent for a half-dozen public events throughout the state on Monday, Martinez (at left in photo above) went largely unrecognized by the crowds who had come to see their own high-profile governor on the day before he is expected to cruise to an easy re-election victory.

    But Christie made sure to let his supporters know how fondly he regards Martinez, noting that she and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani were the only out-of-state politicians whom he invited to campaign with him.

    Asked whether their joint appearances might serve as a prelude to a 2016 presidential ticket, Christie did not dismiss the notion.

    “I have absolutely no idea,” he said at a packed diner in Nutley. “But I’m glad Susana is here.”

    Despite her denials of interest, Martinez is almost certain to face continued entreaties from fellow Republicans, many of whom are enamored of her political resume and the demographic appeal that her addition to a GOP ticket would present.

    Her bipartisan appeal was on full display Monday in the Garden State.

    Asked about the extent to which some of her fellow party members may have damaged the Republican brand during the recent government shutdown, Martinez noted that there was “plenty of blame to go around.”

    “It shouldn’t have happened,” she said. “It could have been avoided. But there were not relationships that were created early on by the president with those in Congress and in the Senate that should have been created a long time ago. And when there isn’t any communication, nothing gets done.”

    Martinez noted that she and Christie have found success in their liberal-leaning home states by engaging with Democrats — and not just in election years.

    “It’s about substance,” she said of her outreach efforts in New Mexico. “It’s about tone. It’s about relationships.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/04/susana_martinez_us_overdue_for_female_president_120566.html

  62. I like Terry McAuliffe alot. He was with us in West Virginia, and we had a great conversation. But if I were voting in Virginia, I would not vote for him, because there is a more important issue at stake here for the country. That issue is the internal battle between the RINO and grass roots Republicans, in effect the corrupt tyrants in Washington vs those who truly represent the people. And, as there is no similar battle going on in the Democrat Party, I would vote for Cuccini, who is the tea party candidate. In ever RINO held district, I am all for the democrat challenger. And, in 2016, with Christie as the inevitable Republican nominee, I will be all for Hillary. The most important battle in this country is between the establishment and the American People, and I believe that battle will be either won or lost by what happens in the Republican Party. It is unrealistic to think that Hillary can take on this leviathan, so if there is going to be any chance to restore the Constitutional order it will be decided on the other side of the aisle. My goal is to ensure that if the RINO succeeds in snuffing out the tea party, which is their avowed goal, that no RINO achieves or retains public office, because they are categorically, and without exception unfit to govern, and damned near as corrupt as Obama, and his Chicago denizens.
    ————————————————-
    Many in the GOP establishment, from major fundraisers and consultants, to GOP officeholders such as the GOP Lt. Gov and mayor of Virginia Beach, have either trashed Attorney General Ken Cuccinnelli or endorsed McAuliffe outright. The GOP national machine has done next to nothing for Cuccinnelli. And GOP bag man, Karl Rove, is all over Fox without a word of support for Cuccinnelli, while he schemes and whispers behind the scenes against conservatives nationwide.

    Having tried to sabotage Cuccinnelli’s candidacy from the start, these GOP actors are hoping for a Cuccinnelli loss and a big Chris Christie win (built on a Huey Long style of politics) to make the case that only big government Republicans can win and limited government, constitutional conservatives, such as Tea Party activists, are too extreme to prevail. They’ve already written the script.

    In fact, the GOP establishment’s attacks on the Tea Party, which is an obvious assault on conservatives and conservatism generally, are increasingly difficult to distinguish from Obama and the Left’s attacks on the same folks. The ruling class in Washington is clearly united in one respect: to wipe out conservative resistance to their corruption, cronyism, and nation-killing policies.

  63. If you think what I have said is hyperbole, go back and read Erickson’s dissertation about the shell game that RINO in chief Mitch McConnell is waging. And listen to that puss pocket of evil Karl Rove.

    The Republican Party is a marriage of convenience between certain economic factions in society, i.e. business interests, national defense devotees, principled conservatives, lobbyists and grass roots people. Business interests may deliver the money, but grass roots people deliver the votes. That alliance is rapidly coming unglued.

    Consequently, the move by the business wing and monied interests to wipe out the base is not simply unwise, it is suicidal. They will not get the independents, the Mexicans, or the single women who form the base of Obama’s dwindling support. There is no statistical, but plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that conclusion.

    Consequently, if the RINO succeeds in his vainglorious mission, it will be a Pyrrhic victory–at best.

  64. wwboie, I have a question for you and please take this as intended..an honest question and not any attack on you. I feel like I have learned more reading your posts than I ever have from my college years, particularly historical context.

    Since you seek to rid the Republicans of the RINOS, what is it about Hillary that appeals to you and makes a conservative such as yourself want to support her? Make no mistake about it, I am thrilled that you do, but I am curious as to what it is about her political positions that earned your support.

    Thanks for being such a dependable anchor on this board.

  65. Dan Pfeiffer is the White House’s senior advisor to President Obama. Responding to a stage-4 cancer patient’s op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Pfeiffer took to twitter today to dismiss her complaint that she has lost her insurance coverage and her doctors because of Obamacare.
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    This guy strikes me as a real dumb shit.

  66. The people Obama has working for him are not very bright or very effective. That is becoming more and more obvious. Carney looks like a carnival barker and that jerk off who preceded him in the role was never any good. It is all falling apart for Obama. All the more reason Hillary needs to distance herself. Swim as far away from that sinking ship as possible. And do not worry about Martinez. She is a slow bell–and a RINO. Hillary has a better in with Hispanics based on what I observed on the campaign trail in places like Texas, Dolores Huerta et. al. Be thankful that Pig Man Christie will not choose Niki Haley because she is smarter than Martinez and more formidable.

  67. Since you seek to rid the Republicans of the RINOS, what is it about Hillary that appeals to you and makes a conservative such as yourself want to support her?
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    Well, in 2008 I believed she was a strong leader and I was convinced that she would put this nation back on the road to prosperity after 8 years of Bush. I wrote a 50 page paper on the subject which I posted here 5 years ago. That perception was shattered however by her support for Obama, and by Benghazi. If that were all, I would probably not vote. But over the course of time, I came to appreciate that with or without Bush, the Republican Party was not an acceptable alternative, because although it claims to be conservative, it is not. Furthermore, it sees conservatives as the enemy. Finally, they failed to fight Obama, and now believe it is their turn to govern. Consequently, I now support Hillary for an entirely different reason. If she wins the election it will be a big set back for the RINOs–losing a third election in a row, and that will cause a break out from the party. Furthermore, Hillary will protect social security whereas the RINO candidate Christie would gut it. He is after all a hatchet man. Therefore, I think it is very important that we support her. And we must trust her to keep people like Soros in check, because he is hell bent on destroying this nation, and he has been as explicit about that as Hitler was as to his intentions in Mein Kampf. I wrote and posted here another 50 page paper on that subject, before it was common knowledge.

  68. So, basically you support Hillary to stop the RINOS. Many here supported McCain, then Romney to defeat the far-left of the Dems.

    My question now is this. By our supporting candidates that are not truly aligned with our own political views, are we ourselves responsible for this whole syndrome of “twin sons of different mothers” regarding our two parties?

    Have we the voters set ourselves up for failure by our “revenge” voting?

  69. VotingHillary
    November 5, 2013 at 12:05 am
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    The things about her that appealed to conservatives were the strong support she had from senior generals and admirals, her pledge to look into NAFTA to ensure it was working for the benefit of the American People, her concerns about venture capital abuses, the fact that she was a very hard worker, that she won 24 of the 26 debates, and that understood the task of govening. The article she wrote in Foreign Affairs Magazine was a masterpiece of sound thinking about this nation, its role in the world, and how that role should change in the aftermath of Bush. In 2008 she was all anyone could want in a candidate, and better prepared for the role than any figure in history.

  70. VotingHillary
    November 5, 2013 at 1:58 am

    So, basically you support Hillary to stop the RINOS
    —————
    If Hillary had not supported Obama, if she had handled Benghazi in the way I imagined she would, and if Soros, Schumer were not on her team, then my support for her would be as unconditional now as it was in 2008. Since that is not what occurred, I have a different rationale for supporting her, namely the restoration of the Constitutional order, which will only come, if at all, through the final defeat of the RINO.

  71. Have we the voters set ourselves up for failure by our “revenge” voting?
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    Yes. But this is what happens when we do not get to choose the candidates. Rather they are dictated to us by the monied interests, and big media. I learned enough about Obama and his dirty tricks to support McCain, whom I never liked, and Romney, whom I never liked. Neither one of them offered a solution I was wild about. My motive was revenge against Obama.

  72. The people Obama has working for him are not very bright or very effective. That is becoming more and more obvious. Carney looks like a carnival barker and that jerk off who preceded him in the role was never any good. It is all falling apart for Obama. All the more reason Hillary needs to distance herself. Swim as far away from that sinking ship as possible. And do not worry about Martinez. She is a slow bell–and a RINO. Hillary has a better in with Hispanics based on what I observed on the campaign trail in places like Texas, Dolores Huerta et. al. Be thankful that Pig Man Christie will not choose Niki Haley because she is smarter than Martinez and more formidable.
    ______________________________________________________

    This is what I find so fascinating about Hillary supporters. How very different our views are but we agree on Hillary.

    I would vote for a ticket with Martinez because she seems to have Hillary’s ability to work across the aisle (although I still want to know her amnesty views before I pull a lever for her.) I felt the same about McCain and Romney where Obama was definitely a my way or the highway politician and his “way” was one I didn’t want to travel. Niki Haley would prevent me from voting “R” the next presidential election.

    The other thing is I think Martinez is a RINO because she does not believe in the “progressive” Dem agenda. She was originally a Dem turned Repub and I doubt in a blue state like New Mexico she did so to score political points. So she is a RINO I can support because she is actually what we call a “blue-dog” Dem. Now, McConnel, Graham, McCain etc. aren’t really RINOs to me. They are what I call “save my ass at any cost” Republicans. And remember, McCain like Lieberman was an independent for many years.

    And before I forget, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. It is very much appreciated and I have so enjoyed the dialogue. That only our national leaders could converse in this same civilized manner.

  73. wbboei
    November 5, 2013 at 2:20 am
    …My motive was revenge against Obama.

    There is nothing wrong with getting even. That is how many lessons are taught. And getting rid of poor public servants in any way possible is also fair including recalls of asses that think once they are in they can do as they please. All is fair in love and war and this is war. I like “whipsaw” elections. When parties only offer up hacks the public changes parties at alternate elections to get rid of the filth and keep the accumulated seniority and graft to a minimum. Presidential elections are often “whipsaws”. I also find the “let’s be bipartisan and all get along” public to be ignoramuses who have no clue what the issues are and use this catchphrase to cover their own laziness to stay informed and understand what the heck is going on. I have asked people if that is their tact at home or work when they are getting bulldozed. If they say yes I ask do you like laying down and getting run over? Then stop being a lazy coward and and have an informed opinion.

  74. I guess Obama took a pass on endorsing this guy who is as big in the polls as he is in girth – he’s lost some weight but still looks obese. Not that that will matter. He did catch endorsement of Shaquille O Neal ? [basket ball player] and that’s probably good enough for most AA’s. I think Buono would be good, but by this article, she’s much too independent.
    Christie’s Democratic embrace
    11/4/13.
    NEWARK, N.J. – To begin his last full week before Election Day, Gov. Christie sat in the front row at a ceremony honoring the semiretired Democratic political leader of Essex County, Steve Adubato Sr. He made a joke about Adubato’s alleged corruption, he said the 80-year-old reminded him of his late mother, and he lifted the veil from a large bronze statue depicting Adubato seated on a bench.
    The moment epitomized Christie’s reelection campaign – and the years leading up to it.
    On the way to what polls indicate will be a landslide reelection victory Tuesday over Democrat Barbara Buono, the Republican governor is touting bipartisanship by spending more time with Democrats than with politicians of his own party….
    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/Christies-Democratic-embrace.html

    Worst temporary part of this will be the writing of media over it.

  75. Cheating going on!
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    Polling Machine Problems Happening In Swing County In Virginia

    Problems appear to already be happening on election day in Virginia. Two callers from Loudoun County called into WMAL’s Morning’s on the Mall radio show and told hosts Larry O’Connor and Brian Wilson that the electronic validation system across the county was down when they showed up to go vote.

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/11/05/Polling-Machine-Problems-Happening-In-Swing-County-In-Virginia

  76. This investigative reporter who had been looking into the background of SERCO, a British company that has been awarded a US government contract to handle the paper applications for Obamacare. Sounds like a pretty shady lot, having been charged with massive over-billing of UK for contract work there. Sexual assault allegations against some employees, as well. Apparently, Obama officials were aware of the dirty dealings alleged about this company, and awarded them the contract regardless.

    The reporter, Melchoir, appeared on Greta:

    “NRO’s Jillian Melchior joined Greta Van Susteren to discuss her latest piece, “Serco’s Checkered History.”

    Serco, a British-based firm, has been tasked with processing Obamacare’s paper applications, but has a long history of investigations and scandals, including claims of fraud, sexual coercion, and overbilling.
    “The company has quite a history abroad — it’s being investigated very, very much, not only in the British health system, but it’s also dealings in prisons and detention centers,” she said. “It’s just got a terrible track record.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/362851/melchior-pretty-startling-serco-got-obamacare-contract-despite-its-checkered-past-nro

  77. VH and wbb, your dialogue was informative. I’ll have to say that I don’t have a problem with moderates, which is what I always considered RINOs to be. I always like the Blue Dogs, as well – with some exceptions to both groups. While I don’t agree 100% with any political view point, I do think the centrist way is the best way. Extremes on either side are potentially destructive.

    I know that’s not the most intellectually complex view, but IMHO, finding some common ground is the only way to get anything done. Without some compromise, bills don’t get passed, and the work doesn’t get done.

  78. Democratic political leader of Essex County, Steve Adubato Sr. He made a joke about Adubato’s alleged corruption,
    ————————-
    Take out the word alleged and you have a true statement. The man in that county was Tony Boiardi, aka Tony the Boot. He controlled the political process. He kept a crematorium in his basement for those who were inclined to dissent. How often he used it I cannot say, but knowledge of its existence had a chilling effect on free thinking. Yes, he was Mafia. I never really knew which family he belonged to. My best guess was that he was either Genovese or DeCavalante, the former being a first class operation, the second being an offshoot, which always puzzled the feds. Up the street from there was a golf course called Essex Fells which I played a couple times with the pro who was a good family man, and the New Jersey State seniors champion. The singer Connie Francis lived in that community as did my dad’s old boss, so it had some interest to me. In the 1960s, the entire state was becoming a Mafia stronghold, therefore the political leaders including William Brennan’s son went to Judge Fred Lacey who was an ends justify the means type of guy and begged him to start scorched earth investigations and prosecutions against the Mafia in New Jersey. To do that he recruited a guy I knew who was hands down the best trial attorney in the business, and he went after the corrupt politicians, companies, labor unions and mob figures woi who were part of that entire menagerie. He secured convictions against the mayor of Newark, Union City, Jersey City, Trenton, and many others. It was high stakes litigation which captured the imagination of the Newark Star Ledger and other outlets, because it featured among others Judge Simon Rivkin (Jackie Kennedy’s lawyer) appearing for the defense. His firm was Paul Weiss and if you recall the attorney who prosecuted the Iran Contra case, Arthur Lyman he was with that firm. So was John McEnroes father who fucked up a merger case involving my dad’s company so badly it had to be taken away from him. But the guy who brought down the Jersey mob is one of my heroes. He is borch belt outside the court room and a tiger in court. Playboy did a movie on him which was a bust. Christie came up through that structure, knows the history, thus I find it hypocritical for him to be joking about this guy being mob. It is no joke.

    There was a golf course up the street from his mansion called

  79. wbboei November 5, 2013 at 9:44 am Democratic political leader of Essex County,
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    There is also a Steve Adubato Jr. He was one of the crowd making tv rounds in June 2008 demanding that Hillary step aside as she was obliterating the spotlight which Obama had earned.
    A few years later, Christie would be governor declaring that states have no right being in the news business. I could agree, but could not swallow that Christie GAVE New Jersey Network news to the Adubato family broadcasting business. WNET PBS NYC. Back in NJ, it had been the most stellar of stellar reporting organizations and the anchor [possibly Jim Hooker ]could not hold back tears when he signed off for the last time. Eventually some of those were hired back. But the new digs are in Lincoln Center NYC so everything is different. And NJ people lost a straight news source due to Christie.

    It all makes more sense to me now that ‘The Governor’ would do that. The cable I receive here in PA carried that news and I watched it religiously. I get the other PBS station too but rarely have the heart to watch it now that it is Adubato.

    Yes Christie had a lot of nerve scrubbing the Adubato name. Shit eating nerve. Christie has become cool. Obama, Booker, CHristie. How much cool can we stand?

  80. freespirit
    November 5, 2013 at 9:37 am
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    The pivotal question for me is not whether there is a bi partisan consensus, but whether that consensus advances the interests of the American People, or merely the interests of their respective contributors. Unless that question can be answered in the affirmative, then I think bi-partisanship standing alone, is a much overrated virtue. The deep divisions we see in the political process are a reflection of the deep divisions which exist today in society, consistent with Yeats’s observation that things fall apart the center cannot hold. Government, as opposed to the market, is now picking the winners and losers, and it is unrealistic to think the losers will be happy. The political class in general and big media in particular are exploit those schisms in society for a living and then decry the fact that there is no bi partisanship. Thus, when someone speaks of bi partisanship, it begs the question of with whom, for what purpose, and is that purpose sustainable. As for the word moderate, I do not know what it means. When support for the constitution and limited government is dismissed as extreme, it strikes me that the elites are engaging in yet another form of political correctness which they use to define the in group and the out group of their universe. Again, the question is not about labels, but whether the contemplated legislative or executive endeavor really does serve the public interest broadly defined. If not, then the word moderate or bi-partisan will not save it, any more than you can make chicken salad out of chicken soup.

  81. holdthemaccountable
    November 5, 2013 at 10:19 am
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    Interesting, and not at all surprising.

    That big media connection will be a presumptive asset to the fat man when he runs for the nomination.

    And the words moderate and bi partisan will ring across the airways, just as the words the media ascribed to Hillary, i.e. polarizing will be repeated with the same robotic consistency.

    And whenever big media uses those words we could do well to remember the object lesson of Obama and Bush before him whom big media presented as uniters not dividers.

    Trust me, Christie falls in that exact same category, and he is by nature and disposition a hatchet man who is honing his blade and looking at the neck of the American People, like that wonderful line in the Raymond Chandler book.

  82. I found it:

    “There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands’ necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge.”—Raymond Chandler

  83. PA has some ridiculous regulations. At my polling place the candidates spend the day there. Each time a voter arrives they lunge at that voter, with Hi how are you today, and as the cheap pen is extended, their heads tilt and smiling, they say I’d sure appreciate your vote today.

    I don’t remember that from my previous state, NJ, and I’m the type of person who resents the intrusion. So today I had a plan. Got on my best smile, endured the half dozen lungers, then went over to the one candidate who always gives voters some space and quietly told her she’d have my vote again even though I’m trying to self-enforce term limits in which case she would have been excellent for too long and I’d have given the new person a chance, except that the new person lunged. ;/

    Once inside, I asked who was in charge, and how far away the candidates needed to be. First, the 4 women seemed to be in apoplectic shock that anyone would ask adn informed me this is done all over PA. As the conversation progressed I found out the distance in my town is 10 feet from the grey metal entry door. That door opens onto a porch which is probably 30′ long and the steps to the ground are toward the end opposite the grey metal door. Meaning that legally these candidates may gather on narrow the porch and voters could legally be expected to squeeze by them. So I just had not realized how fortunate things already were. And I’ll probably be the talk of the town for awhile.

  84. The RINO is determined to kick the tea party out of the Republican Party, or to marginalize their influence to the point that they cannot be an effective check and balance against the sheer corruption which is the inside game of Washington. Thus their goal is to win elections with a different base–that is what the consulting class is telling them.

    Their strategy is transparent. Competent, credible, bi partisan Christie will surround himself with a bevy of questionable democrats, like Adubato who will swear he is bi partisan, in exchange for under the table commitments by Chritie to support his media enterprise when he becomes president–promises we will never hear about.

    It is the same model we saw on a grander scale, when Immelt used NBC to promote Obama. And the fat man will go to Silicon Valley and big media will say he is good for business, is bi partisan and offers this nation a credible path forward. Yes, he is fat, but isn’t he wonderful will be the whisper campaign.

    This is why oppo research early and often is key. Any democrat who crosses the line to support Christie will be unwelcome in the Democrat party.

  85. wbb, I totally get what your saying regarding bi-partisanship, and about people acting in the best interest of the country – rather than themselves.

    A major sticking point is, of course – which pols view of what is in the “country’s best interests” do you accept? The progs’ answer to that would be very different from my own. The right wingers’ would be, as well. Party is no longer an issue to me, which offers a degree of freedom, though not enough. There are a some issues about which I feel so strongly, if a candidate has opposing views, she/he is not an option for me.

    Most often, right wingers and far lefties have to be ruled out, because of differences in views on these core issues – leaving primarily centrists from which to choose. Not a strategic way of voting, but it just works best for me.

  86. I think the Republican party lost it’s way, awhile ago.

    When Ronny Raygun is held up like the second coming of Christ to Republicans, you know the R’s have started to unravel.
    Raygun was a Dem first, then he switched to being a Rethug and was Governor of my state, and he screwed up our schools and mental health facilities, just to being with…that even now have not recovered.

    Raygun was elected in Califorina, a blue state, just like Arnold was…because both were actors with Hollywood money behind them. Stupid California loves it’s celebrities.

    The US no longer has a Democratic nor Republican party, the names are just fronts for big money to push forward their clownfaced puppet. The puppet is given perks and just has to pretend HE is running the country.

    I believe this is why Hillary had the election stolen from her. She would not be any party’s Presidential puppet.

    I believe as much as Hillary would like to be President, it all depends on if she can be her own woman or not. If the public support is great enough, then Hillary will stand on her own two feet.

    For anyone that doesn’t think Hillary should be our next President, I would like to know who you think is a better candidate, and what policies they have worked on in the past that you admire. If you prefer a flash in the pan, someone ‘new and fresh’, I don’t want to hear about this person. Voting for someone without much experience is silly.

    Christy has NO chance of becoming President, unless Hillary doesn’t run.

    Christy and his snippy mouth are entertaining, but the guy is a big fat puppet too.

  87. Democratic senators have a warning for the White House: Fix Obamacare’s problems or put Senate seats at risk next year.

    In interviews, Democratic senators running in 2014, party elders and Senate leaders said the Obama administration must rescue the law from its rocky start before it emerges as a bigger political liability next year.

    Democratic senators from red states — the most vulnerable incumbents up for reelection next year — voted for Obamacare and have been among the law’s biggest champions, believing that voters would embrace it once they experienced its benefits. They could end up being some of the law’s most prominent
    casualties if its unpopularity continues to grow.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/11/05/senate-dems-panic-mode

  88. freespirit
    November 5, 2013 at 11:06 am
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    The problem with the centrist label is big media gets to define it, just as they define the boundaries of acceptable opinion and they sell the country on the proposition that anything else is extremist. I have no desire to play their game because I know it is the path to serfdom. In the broadest sense, the goal of the political process should be to enable markets to operate efficiently and fairly, to remove the obstacles to prosperity, and to disengage from a state of endless war. The political class does not march to that drum. To them, the only question that matters his how much can I steal. And how many examples of that have we seen over the years, but now it seems to be worse than ever. So I embrace what can only be described as an extreme position, with rejects the moral validity of everything they do, unless it can be proven that it is beneficial to the country. Nine times out of ten now it does not.

  89. Democratic senators have a warning for the White House: Fix Obamacare’s problems or put Senate seats at risk next year.
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    The senate is not at risk. Don’t fix it. Fixing it would be a tacit admission that Obama was wrong. We cannot afford to admit that possibility ever. Once we do that all his Messiah magic vanishes on the wind. Ergo, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes and off with the heads of any democrat who dares dissent from the greatest civil rights victory in 70 years.

  90. Sadly, another woman smitten by Oh, and I cannot resist pasting the whole thing here.
    Monroe’s McCool: Marino, you’re racist, foolish
    Commissioner uses official letterhead to blast US rep on shutdown
    November 05, 2013
    In a blistering letter, Monroe County Commissioner Suzanne McCool blasted U.S. Rep. Tom Marino as a racist, a short-sighted chauvinist and accused him of possibly being a traitor to his country.
    In the letter, dated Oct. 23 and on county letterhead, McCool wrote: “In my opinion you should be fired or impeached or whatever could remove you from office for not performing your job adequately. You may be guilty of treason since you have tried to destroy our American system of government.”
    McCool went on to write that Marino’s vote to shut down the federal government was “unconscionable and quite dangerous. You hurt many people by your foolish actions.”
    She said his refusal to work with President Obama over the federal budget was childish and hurt the economy’s recovery. “If our economy fails, then the world’s economy could fail as well,” she wrote.
    The letter was written on Monroe County commissioners’ official letterhead. It was sent to Marino’s Selinsgrove office.
    “Personally,” she wrote, “I believe you are a racist and anti-intellectual, as well as being short-sighted chauvinist. You do not deserve your position in Congress. My friends of EMILY’s List will do everything we can to see you defeated in your next election.”
    EMILY’s List is a Washington, D.C.-based group that tries to get pro-choice Democratic women elected to office. It focuses on recruiting female candidates, fundraising, advocacy and getting women to the voting booth. The grassroots group was formed in 1985.
    McCool is a Democrat. Marino, a Republican in the 10th District, represents northcentral Monroe and all of Pike and Wayne counties.
    Neither returned calls for comment on Monday. But Monroe County Republican Chairman Tom Geffers said McCool not only crossed an ethical divide with her comments, but may have broken the law by printing her letter to Marino on county letterhead, using county resources.
    “You can’t use your office to do your personal agenda,” Geffers said. “It’s clearly illegal.”
    Geffers said he read the letter after being contacted not by Marino, but by several Republican congressmen. A Colorado congressman sent Geffers a copy and inquired whether McCool was, in fact, a county elected official, Geffers said.
    Howard Frank
    http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20131105%2FNEWS%2F311050329#.UnkJz4YBpVA.facebook

  91. fired or impeached or whatever could remove you from office for not performing your job adequately. You may be guilty of treason since you have tried to destroy our American system of government.”
    —————————
    There is never enough prozac is there?

    Where is the injury? Those who were laid off were recalled with back pay.

    Who is responsible? Marino, for trying to protect the nation against the scourge of Obamacare? Or Obama for refusing to negotiate?

    This woman is floridly delusional. One can only wonder how she would react if something bad really happened.

  92. In the midst of Obamacare and the war on coal, Mitch McConnell is losing to a Hollywood-style liberal in Kentucky.

    And this is after spending an unprecedented amount of money one year out in a cheap state. In 2008, he had to spend $21 million in a scorched-earth campaign just to hold onto the seat, even with Obama weighing down Democrats on the ballot.

    Moreover, he is already showing the signs of a losing candidate. He is constantly on defense against Grimes’s vacuous attacks. Instead of boldly counterattacking on this ‘war on women’ nonsense, McConnell acts all apologetic about the deceptively-named Violence Against Women Act, touting his support for the original bill.

    When Grimes started attacking him for excessive partisanship in Washington, Mitch responded by groveling before her with defenses of how bipartisan he has been with Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer.

    There are obviously ideological differences within the party at this point. For example:

    MANY OF MCCONNELLS’S FORMER STAFFERS AND CURRENT MONEY BUNDLERS ARE MAJOR LOBBYISTS FOR AMNESTY, INTERNET SALES TAX AND CORPORATE WELFARE. THESE PEOPEL PURSUE PROFIT OR PERFIDITY, AS THEY LOBBY FOR OBAMA’S BIGGEST PRIORITIES. CLEARLY, THEY STAND TO LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOOD IF MCCONNELL GOES DOWN. FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, HE IS TOO BIG TO FAIL. (Emphasis added)

    However, putting aside the schism in the party, can anyone say with a straight face that they are trying to win seats for Republicans while supporting the only person in Kentucky who can lose the seat?

    Since we all know that the NRSC is so dedicated to electing a Republican majority, one can only conclude that they will be working against McConnell in the primary.

    The road to a Republican majority is not paved with Mitch McConnell in Kentucky.

  93. Terry just squeaked it out…doesn’t bode well for Ocare…he was supposed to win by a big margin…

    wake up dims…and get on the side of the people and run from Ocare…

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    Dr Ben Carson was on fox earlier…the voice of reason…

    my fantasy ticket…Hillary/Ben Carson (I know…I said it was a fantasy!)

    …if Christie put Dr Ben on the ticket or Suzanna Martinez that could be strong…

  94. S
    November 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm
    Terry just squeaked it out…doesn’t bode well for Ocare…he was supposed to win by a big margin.

    _____________________________________________________

    Hillary really needs to look at what happened w/ Terry. She and Bill stumped for him and if it weren’t for a little “Chicago” BS with Obama’s bundler funding the so-called libertarian candidate, Terry would have lost. Even Ron Paul campaigned against this guy as a non-libertarian. And the media at its finest, didn’t point out where the funding was coming from until today. I wonder how many would have still voted for him had they known.

    The usual Obama tricks won this for Terry. But I think this is a real warning shot for 2014 and it will be a campaign about Obamacare.

  95. Bad night for us IMO. Also,,they are already saying Hillary may not get nomination
    as Democratic Party wants more progressive candidate. They are pushing Warren.

  96. VotingHillary
    November 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm

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    I agree…one of my biggest feat with Hill…and Bill…is that they are going to come out and start pushing the same DWS/Carney/O BS…and if they do, I just cannot take it…

    hopefully they are smarter than that…

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    JBS…chill out just a little… 🙂 btw…we got bigger right now in florida…with the choice being between Crist and that alien Scott…they are the worst of the worst…

  97. I’m glad McAuliffe won.

    First it was ‘no chance of winning’, then

    ‘ahead by a landslide’,

    then ‘a tie’,

    finally a ‘squeaker win’.

    Sounds more like media spin than the voters changing their minds.

  98. November 4, 2013, 7:12 PM
    Obama’s Catastrophic Victory
    Subheadline: He fought hard for this disaster.
    ————–
    SNIP It’s the biggest governmental enterprise that hasn’t worked since the earliest beginnings of the U.S. rocket program, when they kept trying to send rockets into space and they kept falling, defeated and groaning, into the ground. Only the rockets were still unmanned, so those failures never hurt anybody!
    SNIP Two closing notes. In my lifetime the good word liberal was discarded by the Democratic Party. Over the decades they’d run it into the ground and changed it from a plus to a minus. Liberal came to suggest a whole world of bad ideas—soft on crime, eager for gun confiscation, big taxing. So the past 20 years Democrats tried to change their label, and in the Obama era it was finally definitively changed. They were now progressives. Well, the biggest piece of progressive legislation in our lifetimes—not just costly but intrusive, abusive, and marked by a command-and-control mentality—is ObamaCare.
    Remember, “We’re gonna need a bigger boat”? They’re gonna need another name.
    Second point: I don’t know, maybe the Republican Party could focus on where we are and help those Americans who are beside themselves with anxiety? A friend had a suggestion today. Maybe instead of having oversight hearings on the stupid website, they could be hauling in some insurance executives to see if they’re capitalizing on this bad law and trying to profit on its dislocations? You know, like they’re listening not to K Street lobbyists but the people? Maybe they could even call in some people from the White House and Congress, the ones who helped write and interpret this famous law that you had to pass before you could know what was in it, and ask: “Did you ever meet a normal human? Did you understand what you were doing when you produced this thing?” Maybe they could even ask the president: “In your entire life, from community organizer to lawyer to politician, did you ever buy an insurance policy? Were you always on your wife’s plan, or immediately put on a plush government plan? Did you ever have to do anything like what you’re telling the people of your country to do?”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2013/11/04/obamas-catastrophic-victory/

  99. Anyone who loves NYC should cry over this. 🙁
    ===

    America’s First Openly Marxist Big City Mayor

    If you think Barack Obama has gotten a free ride from the press, consider the case of Bill de Blasio.

    The New York Post revealed at the last minute that the Marxist frontrunner for mayor of New York City visited Communist Russia in 1983. But the paper’s bizarre cover headline, “Back in the USSR,” complete with a hammer-and-sickle, seemed to make a mockery of the discovery.

    International communism, which claimed more than 100 million lives, is not a laughing matter, nor just the subject of a 1968 song by the Beatles.

    Described by CNN as the “unabashed liberal,” de Blasio is actually to the left of Barack Obama, in the sense that de Blasio didn’t disavow his communist background once it came to light. At least Obama tried to cover up his ties to communist Frank Marshall Davis.

    De Blasio had scrubbed the Marxist connections from his campaign website, an omission that momentarily captured the attention of The New York Times. But once these connections and controversies came to light, he embraced his sordid history. He still embraces liberation theology and his work for the communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

    Nobody believed the purpose of his “honeymoon” to Cuba was actually a honeymoon, but the media didn’t even bother to check into how he made the illegal trip and whether the FBI had developed a file on the candidate.

    De Blasio was so open about his Marxism that on Sunday, he campaigned with Harry Belafonte, who during the Cold War sang at a “Concert for Peace” in communist East Germany, where he attacked President Reagan’s anti-communist foreign policy. A long-time supporter of the Castro dictatorship, Belafonte was also an ally of the late Venezuelan Marxist ruler Hugo Chavez.

    MORE @
    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/americas-first-openly-marxist-big-city-mayor/

  100. bstonesfan
    November 5, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Bad night for us IMO. Also,,they are already saying Hillary may not get nomination
    as Democratic Party wants more progressive candidate. They are pushing Warren.
    _______________

    This idea that Warren is in and Hillary is out continues to come up. I don’t doubt that the progs would rather have Warren than Hillary. They have hated the Clintons since Bill signed Welfare Reform Act. The fact that Hillary and Bill are centrists and have been willing to work with Republicans is intolerable to the progs. That faction of the Dim Party has become more of a force since Obama’s election. They have learned how to play dirty politics. They have also seen just how committed Big Media is to the progressive cause. That said, the country is beginning to see through Obama, and the deception that has defined him and his administration.

    As others have said, Hillary needs to distance herself from anything and everything associated with Obama and with his cronies – especially ObamaCare.

    I think Shadowfax made a really good point above. Hillary won’t run if she has to sell her soul to the progressive faction of Dim party. She will own her candidacy.

    As for Warren, unless and until Hillary writes it in stone that she will not run in 2016, Warren needs to back off. The party knows the nomination was rightfully Hillary’s in 2008. If they try to usurp it again, they will do so at their own peril. Let them get a senator, representative or governor elected in a swing state or in a district with heavy Pub leanings – without the help of the Clintons. They have been able to win some of the close races because the Clintons – especially Bill, during Hillary’s SOS years – have supported and campaigned for the Dem candidate.

  101. Hillary needs to do what Joe is doing Put some distance between herself and Obama, 😉

    Vice President Joe Biden, whom White House aides considered dumping from the ticket in 2012, returned the favor at a campaign event here on Monday, supporting the election of Virginia gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe without ever mentioning Barack Obama or any of the president’s achievements in office.

    The omission was all the more noticeable because Obama himself had campaigned in the state the day before. The president won Virginia in both 2008 and 2012, signal Southern victories that changed the Electoral College map in the Democrats’ favor.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/joe-biden-obama_n_4213154.html

  102. freespirit November 5, 2013 at 11:06 am
    I totally get what your saying regarding bi-partisanship, and about people acting in the best interest of the country…

    A major sticking point is… what is in the “country’s best interests” do you accept? …. There are some issues about which I feel so strongly, if a candidate has opposing views, she/he is not an option for me…. leaving primarily centrists from which to choose.

    For my part, I have often said that issues are tertiary for me, coming after character and competence (these being closely inter-dependent).

    This should broaden the spectrum of candidates for me, from the ideological standpoint; but it actually narrows that spectrum from the practical standpoint since there is a limited stockpile of candidates with the requisite character and competence.

    Some results: I voted for both McCain and Romney on the basis of character and competence (McCain’s competence being a little weak for me, but still better than Obama), regardless of the issues.

    Another more recent result: I voted for Cory Booker over Lonegan and the basis of Booker’s history, and won my bet. But I also voted for Barbara Buono in her hopeless race against Chris Christie, based on my basic prejudice in favor of women since I feel that women are less corruptible than men.

    Another impending result: I will re-launch my financial support to Hillary as soon as she announces (but not a minute before) for 2016, on the basis of her character and competence, which are, in my opinion, peerless.

    I was recently taken down on this forum because of my general prejudice in favor of women, with you (or maybe it was The Rock) and Shadowfax noting that voting on the basis of gender was just as mindless as voting on the basis of skin color.

    But I don’t think that is the case. There is a substantial difference between men and women that is hard to circumscribe; but I think that, whatever that difference is, it has played against women in the past and should play in their favor in the future.

    Women have been elected to high office in other countries – England, Pakistan, Liberia, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, and the list is growing longer by the week – and have shown their backbone and skill, bringing together disparate elements of society to handle their countries’ problems together, bringing them out of the doldrums and eschewing corruption.

    This rise of women on the world stage absolutely must reach the United States at some time, and snowball thereafter.

    This is why, if the Rs choose Susana Martinez or Nikki Haley or any of several other female governors or Senators, I think they will be doing themselves a favor. I, for one, will give them a fair shake in that case; and if Hillary does not run, I may very well end up voting Republican for the third time in a row even if the head of the ticket is that fat asshole Christie, “my” governor.

    On the issues, I will state once again state that I am a socialist and don’t have a conservative bone in my body, except as concerns fiscal policy. And even what is known as “conservative” fiscal policy is not rightly called “conservative”, because conservatives historically have violated fiscal balance just as liberally as the liberals.

    But again, on the issues, I cannot agree with you that I feel so strongly about some issues that I will rule out a candidate. What is paramount is the candidate’s character and competence; and in my book, women both conservative and liberal generally have a strong edge in such matters.

  103. without ever mentioning Barack Obama or any of the president’s achievements in office.
    ———————
    Achievements in office? Like, umm err, Arab Spring? Benghazi? Fast and Furious? Louis Learner? Doubling the deficit? Twenty percent unemployment? Syria? Race baiting and polarization? 12-18 million to lose their insurance? Doubling premiums? Losing your doctor?

    Which of those achievement were they thinking of when they wrote those HuffPo maggots concocted that pusillanimous drivel?

    If Biden wanted Terry to win (which he did with major help from the RINO) then it is not that hard to see why Biden kept his stupid mouth shut for once. Yet HuffPo sees in this ommission a hidden slight against Obama. These people are sick.

  104. Terry’s victory will widen and deepen the growing schism in the Republican Party.

    The Tea Party will interpret it to mean a betrayal, because the establishment abandoned their candidate and supported Terry under the table, which hearkens back to what Rove did to Hillary by the way when he allied himself with that fat slob Brazil.

    The establishment, disingenuous to the core, will convince themselves that Christy won and Cucchini lost because one was the former was establishment the latter was tea party. They will see in it what they want to see and nothing more. That is a losers perspective however.

    This Warren crap is troubling. She would be an easy target for Christie, and that alone is a problem for the American People. Furthermore, if she does run and if she wins with the help of big media, she will probably not get much help from the Clinton people, in which case she will have to rely on the flush with money commies in the Obama machine, Soros, and the dependent population, which numbers half the population.

  105. Streiff @ Red State: Christy is like Obama: a cult figure. And, what you also see here is more evidence of one party rule. The democrats went through the motions of supporting a candidate, but then they pulled the rug out from under her. Just like the republicans did to their candidate in Virginia. The message to the American People–those who are capable of thinking about our future is this: the elites run the party and the role of the American People is to get out of the way, and settle for bread, circuses, and eventually bankruptcy. That is where this train is heading. I just ordered a book entitled East Side Story, which is brilliantly written, by Lous Anchuloss one of the insiders in the east coast establishment, who deals with the question of what can people surrounded with that much wealth possibly do to lead a productive and worthwhile life. The answer is unsettling. Most are content to sit back and rape the middle class. They have no social conscience, but are willing to buy the pretense of one, with a 404 tax deduction.
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    On New Jersey. Governor Christie won. No big surprise there. But as somebody famous once said to somebody else, “you will know them by their fruits.”

    The question I have for any Blue State governor is what have you done to advance the cause of either conservatism (the answer to this is always “not much, I don’t believe in that crap”) or the GOP in general? By this I mean, did you help build the party or did you build a cult of personality.

    If you go through my commentary on Mitt Romney you will see that the center of my critique over two elections was that he left the Massachusetts GOP in a shambles. No matter what his approval ratings or accomplishments, those were the function of Romney focusing on Romney. The state party was ignored and reduced to an irrelevant husk.

    I think the same question is appropriate for Christie? What have you done in New Jersey besides build a machine focused on promoting Chris Christie’s career. Last night the answer was pretty clear: Nothing. Christie was in the election to win big for Christie. He did. Good for him. He didn’t move the political needle in New Jersey one iota. That bodes ill for how a President Christie will govern.

    What does it mean?

    Last night, Christie said in his victory speech,

    “Maybe folks in Washington should tune in their TV right now to see how it’s done.”

    But when the losing candidate complains that her party threw her under the bus:

    She thanked aides who “withstood the onslaught of betrayal from our own political party.”

    And [State Senator Barbara Buono] recalled her decision to back down and let party leaders install their choice for state party chairman like this:

    “I took one for the team. The only problem, I realized too late there was no team.”

    you are left with the feeling there is part of the puzzle you’re not being allowed to see.

    One has to wonder why, if Governor Christie represents the way the GOP must run for office to win and if Ken Cuccinelli represents the way that guarantees the GOP will lose, the Democrat party ignored the New Jersey race — to the extent that their candidate basically accused the NJ Democrat party of throwing the election — and hurled everything they had into the race to beat the guy who, according to the conventional wisdom, didn’t have a chance.

    I think the results from last night should leave us with grave concerns about a Christie candidacy to the extent that it does anything more than serve as a sop to Christie’s immense ego. Like a James Bond martini, it leaves one shaken not stirred.

  106. Follow the money….In addition to no price negotiations and no re-importation of drugs, I was wondering what the drug companies were getting to their hundreds of millions spent on forcing Obamacare down the throats of the American public. Well,as time goes on, the results of deals made by the DNC, RNC, etc. are gradually coming out.

    From WSWS:

    “US government exempts new health exchanges from anti-fraud standards”

    “In an October 30 letter, Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) Kathleen Sebelius revealed that the Obama administration has determined that programs created by the Affordable Care Act (ACA) are not federal health care plans. This decision, which flies in the face of common sense, exempts the Qualified Health Plans (QHPs) and state-based and federally facilitated Marketplaces from laws banning kickbacks and various forms of semi-legal fraud perpetrated by pharmaceutical companies and other interested parties.”
    (snip)
    “The Wall Street Journal pointed out that the anti-kickback rules “went into force in 1991 and broadly bar companies from making payments to beneficiaries or other firms to induce business paid for by Medicare and other federal programs. That could range from paying rebates to Medicare beneficiaries for buying specific drugs to paying physicians to refer their patients to a specific imaging facility.”
    (snip)
    “The pharmaceutical firms have been engaged in a campaign against lower-cost generic drugs for decades. One of the means they have hit upon to advance that effort is the issuance of prescription drug coupons handed out to consumers. The coupons temptingly subsidize co-pays on expensive brand-name drugs and steer patients away from therapeutically equivalent generic drugs.

    A June 2012 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported, for example, that Pfizer subsidizes the average co-pay for the anti-cholesterol drug Lipitor, decreasing its cost from $30 a month to $4. The generic equivalent simvastatin costs $10. As Kaiser Health News summarized the situation: “It’s a great deal for the patient, but not the insurer. According to the JAMA article, the insurer pays $18 a month for simvastatin and $137 a month for Lipitor,” more than seven times the cost. Of course, this “great deal” turns out to be the opposite, when the insurer passes on this additional cost to the consumer in the form of increased premiums.”
    etc., etc.
    *****
    Obamacare restores the pre 1991 “good old days” when drug reps. openly bribed docs. to use certain meds.

  107. …have been watching some of this hearing with Sebelious…

    when the senators start reading their consituents letters I want to hear a repub or dim bluntly ask:

    (1) Now that the premiums and deductibles have gone up dramatically for Mr or Mrs____
    where do you expect these Americans to get that extra money to pay for your mandated insurance? What do you expect to happen to those people who have played by the rules, do not qualify for your subsidies and have mot relied on the govt for anything and now they cannot afford your insurance demands?

    (2) Are you aware that the subsidies that some might qualify for will not cover the big increases they are getting?

    (2) You said the the Ocare is meant to insure the (30) million uninsured, what are you going to do for the people that are now uninsured because they cannot afford Ocare and will now have to go without health insurance and pay the penalty, so What are you going to do for all the uninsured Ocare has created as a result of ocare?

    (3) Is it fair to the American people that Ocare insures some while creating a reality that forces other Americans to become uninsured?

    (4) In this rife and tempting climate of identity theft, how can you expect people to give personal information to navigators that are not, at the very least, given a background check before they are hired and have access to this personal information either when people are shopping for insurance or when accessing the HUB?

  108. Unbelievable…the dims have lost it…

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/sebelius-possible-for-convicted-felons-to-become-obamacare-navigators-video/

    Sebelius: Possible for convicted felons to become Obamacare navigators

    WASHINGTON — Health and Human Services Sec. Kathleen Sebelius acknowledged Wednesday that it would be possible for a convicted felon to become an Obamacare navigator — one of the workers responsible for helping people deal with the ins and outs of the healthcare law.

    “Isn’t it true there is no federal requirement for navigators to undergo a criminal background check, even though they will receive personal information from the individuals they help to sign-up up for the Affordable Care Act?” asked Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn at a Senate Finance Committee hearing at which Sebelius was testifying.

    “That is true,” Sebelius replied. “States could have an additional background check and other features, but it is not part of the federal requirement.”

    “So a convicted felon could be a navigator and acquire sensitive personal information?” Cornyn asked.

    “That is possible,” Sebelius acknowledged. “We have contracts with organizations and they have taken the responsibility to screen the individual navigators and make sure they are sufficiently trained for the job.”

    Asked by Georgia Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson if they would be open to a federal requirement for background checks, Sebelius said it was up to congress, but that they would certainly look at it. she has got to be kidding…

    one can only imagine the “health care” coming down the road…

  109. jeswezey

    Good to see you on the blog again.

    I have always been kinda miffed at folks that vote for gender like they do for race. Especially in 2008 when some people (not you) voted for Hillary because she was a woman, then are ready to jump on someone else’s bandwagon, just because of her gender.

    Why? Because a woman is the sum of her career and her track record should matter. Otherwise, one flash in the pan woman, is seen as equal to another. Just like a flash in the pan Obama is no Bill Clinton.

    I do agree with you that generally speaking women have some great attributes over men that have never been tapped as president, but all women are not equal, not by a long shot, and neither are men.

    Character does matter, but so should their experience when it comes to running our country. You say you are a socialist, well how would you feel about voting for a hard core, religious right female candidate, if she were running against a decent candidate that was male?

    My questions are not meant to attack you, just to question your position.

    I do have to smile at your perspective in general because I do believe as a woman, that it’s really nice for men to see women as a value instead of just pushed aside for the top job.

  110. (1) Now that the premiums and deductibles have gone up dramatically for Mr or Mrs____
    where do you expect these Americans to get that extra money to pay for your mandated insurance?
    ******
    No one seems to ask: “if people need a tax credit to help pay for monthly insurance premium, where the hell do they expect people to get the money for co-pays, and $6-12,5000 out of pocket yearly max cost”? Also, what happens to the insurance coverage when the person can’t pay the deductibles? Is the policy cancelled?

  111. SHV
    November 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm

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    that’s what I am getting at…they don’t ask the bottom line follow, reality-based, follow up questions…’Where is the money supposed to come from?’

    Is it growing in Michelle’s garden ready to just give to everyone?

  112. Shadowfax: “… how would you feel about voting for a hard core, religious right female candidate, if she were running against a decent candidate that was male?”

    This is a hard question for me to answer because, while I do know of a few hard-core religious right female candidates (would Sarah Palin fit the bill?), I can’t think of many decent male candidates…! LOL

    I know it sounds like I’m really down on men, but I look around at the worlds not only of politics but also of business and see women doing good jobs where their male counterparts flunked, miserably.

    Above, I listed a string of countries where women have been elected to the top office and their countries have fared well during their terms. It is now Merkel’s turn to take a bow for her direction of Germany, winning a third term as Chancellor and bringing the socialist SPD back into government to govern with her own right-wing Christian Democrats. I remember that Germans were wary of her at first, not just because she was right wing but because she was Germany’s first female Chancellor. Now, it looks like she could go on forever, with the left-wing SPD in tow!!

    My basic prejudice in favor of women is fueled not by the obvious physiological differences, but by something else that I have spent years trying to define (without real success). There are unseen physiological differences such as the hormone balance that has effects that I don’t understand, and there is the life experience of being a girl and woman, i.e., daughter, sister, mother, that I am not equipped to understand, at least not first hand.

    Somewhere along that life experience, I have the feeling that women learn to be more honest with themselves and with those around them, and thus my statement that women generally are less corruptible and tend to consider opposing points of view. I further think that these traits have worked against women in the past because they are seen as weaknesses, at least in the American political landscape.

    However, give a woman a chance – even a “hard-core, religious right female” – and I am confident that only good can come of it. So, in the future, these traits should work in women’s favor.

    In the meantime, note that “socialist” does not have any religious connotations: I have also expressed my religious views on this forum. I don’t believe in the One True God, but I am not an atheist. I am a convinced Christian. But again, this has nothing to do with socialism, which is entirely secular.

    Anecdote: I’ve just come back from a trip to China (that’s why I’ve been absent for the last three weeks, and thank you for welcoming me back), where my personal guide in Shanghai said she had no religion and that’s why she didn’t belong to the Communist Party. In her eyes, Communism was a religion and she would have none of it.

    I thought this was an insightful viewpoint that could easily apply to American politics: I have often referred to the Republican religion of free-market capitalism and to conservative values as the religion of what America was like 50 years ago. I am against these secular religions because they are thoughtless re-hashing of Cold War ideological warfare with the Soviet Union, and amount to Herbert Hoover on steroids.

    If the Republicans were to nominate a woman for the presidency, she might mouth much of this Republican rubbish on the campaign trail but, once in office, I am convinced things would work differently and for the better, because a woman would not be content to take sides and shut her ears to the adversary. There’s Palin’s “fight like a girl” that is different from the way a boy fights. And there’s Hillary way of knowing how to stand your ground and when to give ground, which is Donald Trump’s negotiating mode.

    (By the way, I would probably take Trump as a “decent candidate”.)

  113. …named ‘Affordable Care Act’… “Affordable” what a joke…

    …starting to become apparent to others, besides us, this is something O and the Dims threw together, no one read the concoction or prepared for the ramifications and now Washington Dims have to protect their behinds, continue the lies while the American people are being punished … and the opposite of what O and Dims promised is coming home to roost…

    let’s add ‘Would anyone buy a used car…or anything…from Sebelious, or what’s her name from yesterday?

    these people are so out of touch with the middle class…it’s all about wheeling and dealing and their secret contracts and no bid shenanigans amongst themselves in secrecy

    Senator Kirk sounded a little strange yesterday…but that man was the first one I heard that was getting the the crux of what the ACA or Ocare is really about…or what the O posse is trying to conceal…

  114. …just want to add…I loved when Senator Kirk said “I’m from Chicago”

    …talk about hitting the nail on the head…

  115. SHV: “…what happens to the insurance coverage when the person can’t pay the deductibles? Is the policy cancelled?”

    This is a good question but mine goes even further because in the French system I pay for there are no deductibles. Not everything is paid for, though, and there is something that corresponds to co-pays – for example, for my operation this year the surgeon asked for €600 that was not reimbursed. He was paid I don’t know how much by social security, but wanted €600 more, and I paid it. I suppose I could have looked up another surgeon who would have worked for the social security price, but I didn’t. So there is an equivalent of a co-pay in the French system, but you can get around it by doing a little research.

    But I don’t understand what a deductible is. If you have a $5 K deductible, does that mean your insurance doesn’t pay anything at all for an illness or diagnosis that is billed less than $5 K?

    If that is the case, you don’t have any insurance at all, because the great majority of illnesses cost less than $5 K to treat… I asked wbboei what “deductible” means but got no answer. Do you have an answer?

  116. Thanks for your reply JesW, funny you would call Trump a decent candidate, I too would agree on that because he is smart, and knows how to negotiate for America. He does not push any religious views on people and he doesn’t not harp on the abortion issue. These views are important to me. Also, willing to work across the isle.

    I often said Trump would have been my choice over all the Repubs that have run against Obama.

    I do differ from your choice of Sarah. I really like her, love that she speaks the truth when others in her party acted like cowards towards Obama’s corruption. I think she has good values, but…I would look for someone with more experience to run our country. Not just Sarah, but male or female. That’s why I liked little Ross Perot, before I saw Bill Clinton shine. That man knew his stuff, was a great business man like Trump and was darn funny. I am a sucker for humor. 😉

    I just want the most competent person to run this complicated country, a fighter for every American, not just the D’s or R’s or what gender, skin color or religious beliefs they have.

    Using Merkel as an example is a good one, and partly the reason that I freakin’ can’t believe our stupid ass citizen’s didn’t stand behind OUR girl. Hillary is at least as brave, smart and competent as Merkel, and yet, the Republican’s are scared to death of her brilliance, her charisma and work ethics.

    Our Republican’s are horrible and now I am seeing red, so I am going to cool off and take my son to the doctors.

  117. Jesweezy, I appreciate your point of view, and I would guess my criteria for a political candidate would be much the same as yours. If Hillary made the decision not to run – without pressure from the Clinton Haters and other Progs in her own party – I would look at Warren. I would prefer to support a woman.

    But, like you, I feel competence and character are important , along with concern for country. If Warren or a group of her backers from the prog camp actively tried to suppress a Hillary candidacy, particularly after the sh** they pulled in 2008, I would have to question whether she possessed any of these three qualities. If Hillary bows out, I will definitely consider Warren if she is a candidate. Having said that, I’ll have to also note that I was a lot more impressed with her in the beginning of her campaign than I am now.

    There is also the issue of the damage and potential damage that could be done if the far left remains in power. They’ve wrought enough havoc. And worse, they believe themselves to be justified in any action they decide will further their causes, and will result government playing a larger role in every aspect of the lives of Americans. If they have to deceive the public in order to give more power to government they will do it. They are, after all , so much brighter than the rest of us – in their opinions.

    I’m no conservative, but I do not want to see increased government control over the lives of Americans. Nor do I want rights and freedoms usurped further. Maybe Warren is not part of that progressive faction that has awarded the key to the Kingdom to Barack. I’m not saying that she is. I’m saying that if she is, she won’t have my support. Likewise neither will Sarah Palin, and other conservative women. I know that’s not a popular view of Palin, here. But I stand by it.

    No woman should be subjected to gender discrimination and sexism, as Palin and Hillary were, and if they are, they should be defended by any and every women’s rights group in the country. These groups should have defended Palin in 2008, rather than contribute to the sexism. Some didn’t do a lot better about defending Hillary.

    But while I condemn gender bias against any female candidate, I won’t support all female candidates – just because they are females. I

  118. Can you imagine this in the USA?

    http://www.propublica.org/article/loyal-obama-supporters-canceled-by-obamacare

    Loyal Obama Supporters, Canceled by Obamacare

    San Francisco architect Lee Hammack says he and his wife, JoEllen Brothers, are “cradle Democrats.” They have donated to the liberal group Organizing for America and worked the phone banks a year ago for President Obama’s re-election.

    Since 1995, Hammack and Brothers have received their health coverage from Kaiser Permanente, where Brothers worked until 2009 as a dietitian and diabetes educator. “We’ve both been in very good health all of our lives – exercise, don’t smoke, drink lightly, healthy weight, no health issues, and so on,” Hammack told me.

    The couple — Lee, 60, and JoEllen, 59 — have been paying $550 a month for their health coverage — a plan that offers solid coverage, not one of the skimpy plans Obama has criticized. But recently, Kaiser informed them the plan would be canceled at the end of the year because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The couple would need to find another one. The cost would be around double what they pay now, but the benefits would be worse.

    “From all of the sob stories I’ve heard and read, ours is the most extreme,” Lee told me in an email last week.

    I’ve been skeptical about media stories featuring those who claimed they would be worse off because their insurance policies were being canceled on account of the ACA. In many cases, it turns out, the consumers could have found cheaper coverage through the new health insurance marketplaces, or their plans weren’t very good to begin with. Some didn’t know they could qualify for subsidies that would lower their insurance premiums.

    So I tried to find flaws in what Hammack told me. I couldn’t find any.
    •The couple’s existing Kaiser plan was a good one.
    •Their new options were indeed more expensive, and the benefits didn’t seem any better.
    •They do not qualify for premium subsidies because they make more than four times the federal poverty level, though Hammack says not by much.

    Hammack recalled his reaction when he and his wife received a letters from Kaiser in September informing him their coverage was being canceled. “I work downstairs and my wife had a clear look of shock on her face,” he said. “Our first reaction was clearly there’s got to be some mistake. This was before the exchanges opened up. We quickly calmed down. We were confident that this would all be straightened out. But it wasn’t.”

    I asked Hammack to send me details of his current plan. It carried a $4,000 deductible per person, a $40 copay for doctor visits, a $150 emergency room visit fee and 30 percent coinsurance for hospital stays after the deductible. The out-of-pocket maximum was $5,600.

    This plan was ending, Kaiser’s letters told them, because it did not meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. “Everything is taken care of,” the letters said. “There’s nothing you need to do.”

    The letters said the couple would be enrolled in new Kaiser plans that would cost nearly $1,300 a month for the two of them (more than $15,000 a year).

    And for that higher amount, what would they get? A higher deductible ($4,500), a higher out-of-pocket maximum ($6,350), higher hospital costs (40 percent of the cost) and possibly higher costs for doctor visits and drugs.

    When they shopped around and looked for a different plan on California’s new health insurance marketplace, Covered California, the cheapest one was $975, with hefty deductibles and copays.

    In a speech in Boston last week, President Obama said those receiving cancellation letters didn’t have good insurance. “There are a number of Americans — fewer than 5 percent of Americans — who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident,” he said.

    “Remember, before the Affordable Care Act, these bad-apple insurers had free rein every single year to limit the care that you received, or use minor preexisting conditions to jack up your premiums or bill you into bankruptcy. So a lot of people thought they were buying coverage, and it turned out not to be so good.”

    What is going on here? Kaiser isn’t a “bad apple” insurer and this plan wasn’t “cut rate.” It seems like this is a lose-lose for the Hammacks (and a friend featured in a report last month by the public radio station KQED.)

    I called Kaiser Permanente and spoke to spokesman Chris Stenrud, who used to work for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. He told me that this was indeed a good plan. Patients in the plan, known as 40/4000, were remarkably healthy, had low medical costs and had not seen their premiums increase in years. “Our actuaries still aren’t entirely sure why that was,” he said.

    While many other insurance companies offered skimpier benefits, Stenrud said, “our plans historically have been comprehensive.”

    Kaiser has canceled about 160,000 policies in California, and about one third of people were in plans like Hammack’s, Stenrud said. About 30,000 to 35,000 were in his specific plan.

    “In a few cases, we are able to find coverage for them that is less expensive, but in most cases, we’re not because, in sort of pure economic terms, they are people who benefited from the current system … Now that the market rules are changing, there will be different people who benefit and different people who don’t.”
    “There’s an aspect of market disruption here that I think was not clear to people,” Stenrud acknowledged. “In many respects it has been theory rather than practice for the first three years of the law; folks are seeing the breadth of change that we’re talking about here.”

    That’s little comfort to Hammack. He’s written to California’s senators and his representative, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., asking for help.

    “We believe that the Act is good for health care, the economy, & the future of our nation. However, ACA options for middle income individuals ages 59 & 60 are unaffordable. We’re learning that many others are similarly affected. In that spirit we ask that you fix this, for all of our sakes,” he and Brothers wrote.

    Consumer advocate Anthony Wright said it’s important to remember the way the insurance market worked before the act was passed, when insurers could deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. “It’s impossible to know what the world would have looked like for these folks in the absence of the law,” said Wright, executive director of the group Health Access.

    “We certainly had an individual market, especially in California which was the Wild Wild West, where there was huge price increases, cancellations, a range of other practices.

    “That doesn’t mean that there were certain people who lucked out in the old system, who wound up in a group with a relatively healthy risk mix and thus lower premiums,” he added. “The question is: Is health insurance something where people get a rate based on the luck of the draw or do we have something where we have some standards where people who live in the same community, of the same age, with the same benefit package are treated equally?”

    Wright said discussions should focus on how to provide consumers like Hammack with assistance if they barely miss qualifying for subsidies.

    So what is Hammack going to do? If his income were to fall below four times the federal poverty level, or about $62,000 for a family of two, he would qualify for subsidies that could lower his premium cost to as low as zero. If he makes even one dollar more, he gets nothing.

    That’s what he’s leaning toward — lowering his salary or shifting more money toward a retirement account and applying for a subsidy.

    “We’re not changing our views because of this situation, but it hurt to hear Obama saying, just the other day, that if our plan has been dropped it’s because it wasn’t any good, and our costs would go up only slightly,” he said. We’re gratified that the press is on the case, but frustrated that the stewards of the ACA don’t seem to have heard.”

    ****************

    so Americans who strive to increase their salaries and obtain promotions, etc…now are reduced to working for less money so they don’t get clobbered by Ocare…wow…think about that…another step towards enslaving the middle class

  119. …I am not a lawyer…but isn’t this starting to sound like collusion with insurance companies to increase all the prices – premiums, deductibles, out of pocket costs, etc…

    …wonder what is going to happen to the cost of the drugs…have been hearing the drugs allowed are being narrowed to certain brands that are covered…

    this whole thing sounds like the middle class was the lowest consideration…everyone else O, his contractors, insurance co, drug co…everyone else gets a piece of the pie…and again, the middle class gets the shaft and pays the bill…and now not only gets a pentalty…but also should try to lower their salary for a government handout…

    oh brother…

  120. S

    November 6, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    …I am not a lawyer…but isn’t this starting to sound like collusion with insurance companies to increase all the prices – premiums, deductibles, out of pocket costs, etc…

    And therein lies the true heart of the treachery. S, you have followed the money to the source and in one sentence, identified the root of this particular corruption. The next phase is to find out exactly WHO benefits in real time. The supporting doctrine behind this is the control of information. With the NSA having the ability to see everything about the populace, this provides a real time data sink about the same populace. That sounds less like socialism and more like East Germany.

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2016

  121. “but isn’t this starting to sound like collusion with insurance companies…..”
    *******
    Just another money laundering scheme to transfer tax $$$$$ to the “folks” who pay the biggest bribes. Just a scam like Part D Medicare, “Medicare Advantage”, Student Loans, Food Stamps, etc.. etc.; now Obamacare. The nice payoff is that the Insurance companies are “insured” by the Govt against losses in the Exchange markets. The way the program is going, billions more will be going to the insurance companies.

    “Obamacare: insuring the insurers”

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/11/obamacare-insuring-the-insurers/

  122. freespirit November 6 @ 3:39 pm: “I’m no conservative, but I do not want to see increased government control over the lives of Americans.”

    I see this question from arm’s length; but I think the base issue is not one of increased or lessened control but rather of enforcing misguided policy and loyalty to the fürher, which is neither a conservative nor a liberal issue: It is a basic tug-of-war between traditional democracy and dictatorship.

    A number of times, I have posited on this forum that we Americans have an idea of freedom that is “unfettered” – that is, our freedoms are absolute for us. If rules are established, we feel that our lives are being controlled.

    If we have gun controls or regulations, for example, we feel that our 2nd amendment rights are being tramples; but the pandemonium that would result from no gun regulations at all would produce a society with very little freedom indeed for the citizen who ventures out into the street without body armor or an automatic pistol at his hip. In the interest of greater freedom for all, most countries around the world have thus opted to ban guns altogether.

    Even more damaging to our freedom is our idea of unfettered free speech – you can say anything you please and society is doomed to defend your right to say it. We don’t have the idea of responsibility for what we say (except in a courtroom, and even there… we have the 5th amendment). The result is lies, sarcasm, injurious speech and spin that pass for truth because no one has the right to call you out on what you say, to make you accountable for your words. We all have to defend even the indefensible.

    In some other countries, positive laws have been adopted to curb the excesses of irresponsible speech, and in yet other countries these limits are culturally ingrained because freedom of speech has never been laid down as an absolute right.

    In the same way as we need gun regulations to support 2nd amendment rights, we need rules to govern free speech, or we must at least have a sense of accountability.

    Since we have no such rules or accountability enforced by the press, and live in a nominal democracy of and by the people, our leaders don’t follow any such rules or have a sense of accountability either. Government leaders lie on a daily basis, and when supported by the press, the result is that a lot of people – the majority, in fact – believe what the führer says.

    Obama is not the first führer, by a long shot. The Pentagon Papers told us of how the US government had been supporting the corrupt South Vietnamese government since 1954 and was itching to take over the war, invented the Bay of Tonkin incident to do so, and was lying consistently to the public about American successes in Vietnam so as to sustain public support for the war.

    Even after The Pentagon Papers were published, the public continued to support the war and was finally deeply hurt by this first American “loss” of a war. Even 35 years later, in 2008, McCain contended that we could have won the war if we had continued or intensified the bombing.

    To broaden this discussion to the other point at hand here, i.e., women versus men in power, I would add that this whole idea of waging and winning a war is a man’s world view that a woman would not view in the same light. It is not that women are natural wusses, but rather that they feel what is happening on the ground and realize that everyone loses in a war, on both sides (especially women!!), so they don’t go throwing the military at a problem at the drop of a hat.

    I’m dead certain that this is why so many military supported Hillary and would support her again. In 2008, the military had the experience of living under the neocon cowboys Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld who (to return to the original issue) had lied to the American public about 9/11 (yes, it was a hoax) and thrown the military mindlessly and against their will into Afghanistan and then into Iraq as a consequence of that hoax and their ludicrous “War on Terror”.

    So, with Bush, we had another führer with the lie of 9/11, a hoax that he used to get us into two costly wars – “costly” in terms that a woman would have understood beforehand, the military has always understood, and that Bush simply did not grasp.

    This is all why I think a woman’s character is needed in this crucial position of POTUS. As I tried to explain to Shadowfax, there is something in a woman’s hormone balance and/or life experience that I think makes her more honest with herself and with those around her.

    So far in American politics, this honesty is seen as naïve and simplistic and thus weak – but that is because we have never tried it. Once we have the experience of a Bhutto, a Thatcher, a Sirleaf Johnson, a Merkel in the Oval Office, we will know once again what it is like to live under an honest incorruptible president who doesn’t need to enforce misguided policies and loyalty on his subjects.

  123. Barry had some splainin to do.
    Updated 3:50 p.m. | President Barack Obama heard an earful at the White House Wednesday from Senate Democrats running for re-election next year who are fuming about the Affordable Care Act’s rocky rollout. During a two-hour meeting that was not on the president’s public schedule, the president met with 15 Senate Democrats facing the voters next year, as well as Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Michael Bennet, D-Colo.
    Sen. Mark Begich of Alaska issued a release after the meeting torching the administration.“It is simply unacceptable for Alaskans to bear the brunt of the Administration’s mismanagement of the implementation of the Affordable Care Act and that is the message U.S. Senator Mark Begich delivered to President Obama today,” his office said in a statement blasted to reporters…. http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/senate-democrat-presses-obama-at-white-house-meeting/

  124. Shadowfax November 6, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    “Trump… does not push any religious views on people and he doesn’t not harp on the abortion issue. These views are important to me….“

    They’re important to me too, theoretically; but I’m willing to give a candidate a pass on such issues because they are campaign issues that no president can pass into law without a constitutional amendment, which is just not going to happen.

    “Also, willing to work across the isle.”

    For the record, it’s “aisle” (reminds me of your Hillary “roll” model LOL).

    But more importantly, it’s not a matter of willingness but of know-how: Even Obama would be “willing” to work across the aisle if only the Republicans agreed with him beforehand. Trump, and Hillary, do not look for complete agreement before opening a discussion, but rather dig into the negotiating process from the get-go.

    “I do differ from your choice of Sarah.”

    Hey look, I only took Sarah as an example of a candidate of the “religious right”. I too would “look for someone with more experience to run our country.” It’s just that Palin had more – and better – experience than Obama in 2008, which made it a no-brainer for me to vote for her over -/Biden that year. My problem at the time was McCain. Palin no problem.

    “I am a sucker for humor.”

    So am I. I was completely unaware of Ross Perot and voted pretty much mechanically in 1992. Hated Bush even more than Ray-gun.

    “I just want the most competent person to run this complicated country, a fighter for every American, not just the D’s or R’s or what gender, skin color or religious beliefs they have.”

    Well, what can I say that I haven’t said before? I still think that competence stems from character, that both are the antithesis of corruption, and that women have an edge at this level, regardless of the campaign issues. Remember that campaign issues are 90% spin anyway, or “poetry” in the words of Mario Cuomo, whereas governing is in “prose”.

    “Merkel… partly the reason that I freakin’ can’t believe our stupid ass citizens didn’t stand behind OUR girl. Hillary is at least as brave, smart and competent as Merkel, and yet, the Republican’s are scared to death of her brilliance, her charisma and work ethics.”

    I think the Republicans’ fear mainly has to do with their fear of “losing” – again a masculine fear. Remember my discussion of the Japanese maxim “loser is winner”? – according to which I preferred to play chess against someone who was sure to beat me, because winning and losing are meaningless to me. “Loser is winner” means that the winner gets his lollipop but the loser gets to learn something so he can come back playing better the next time around.

    I think “loser is winner” is more understandable to women than to men, at least in America.

    “Our Republican’s are horrible…”

    Well, I agree that they churn out a lot of rubbish and are generally backward in their thinking; but we agree that the Republican Trump would be good in the Oval Office, so maybe the Rs have some saving graces?

  125. At http://www.msnbc.com/all/christie-hillary-clinton-2016:

    “Asked to choose between the governor they re-elected Tuesday and Hillary Clinton in a presidential contest, New Jersey voters said they would ditch Chris Christie in favor of the former first lady.”

    And, remembering that 50 democrats endorsed him over Barbara Buono:

    “…bipartisan bonds may weaken if Christie formally enters national politics, where ideological differences start to become more important than local power-sharing arrangements. Christie, if matched up against Clinton, would have to contend with his state’s reliable blue tilt in national elections. He would also find himself up against the Democratic Party’s national operation, which would undoubtedly be more invested in thwarting him than the New Jersey Democrats have proven to be.”

  126. Hillary 2016 is still “news”. Here’s a semi-humorous view of the election everyone is already talking about (Bloomberg):

    Five Reasons Hillary Clinton Is in the Catbird Seat

    By Francis Wilkinson Nov 6, 2013 5:44 PM GMT+0100

    Frank Bruni has a column this week in the New York Times on “the beginning of the end” of Hillary Clinton’s “inevitability.” He offers a litany of reasons why “she has serious problems as a potential 2016 presidential contender.”

    I’m sure she does. Running for president is an insanely difficult proposition, and it seems to get harder every four years. And, as Bruni notes, voters are deeply angry at the political class right now, and no one is more rooted in, or emblematic of, the political establishment than the former first lady/senator/secretary of state.

    Still.

    Presuming her health is solid, there is no one better positioned to be the next president. Here are five reasons why Clinton will have a much easier run at the White House, should she make one, in 2016 than she had in 2008:

    1. Barack Obama isn’t running. Sure, his approval ratings are in the tank today, but mixed-race first-term senators with politically ridiculous names don’t become president without staggering political talent. There are very few Obamas in a political lifetime. There won’t be one in 2016.

    2. Barack Obama isn’t running. Liberals will accept Clinton as an encore. They will even decide they like her. Still patting themselves on the back for having elected the first black to the presidency, they will embrace the historic task of electing the first woman. Wouldn’t they prefer Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren? Possibly. But they don’t need her. And if Clinton runs, Warren has said she won’t. Clinton has also paid additional dues since her last run: Serving as secretary of state bought her goodwill among Obama supporters, a greater independence from her husband’s complicated legacy and, Benghazi notwithstanding, a reputation for competence.

    3. Barack Obama isn’t running. Soon after the 2014 election, Obama will become ancient history. The conservative crazy machine will gradually forget the tyranny of his reign and focus on . . . why, Clinton, of course. If Democrats have any lingering doubts about their affection for her, they will lose them once Fox News begins its 24/7 expert analysis of the Benghazi “scandal” and treats us to hours of archival footage of Arkansas real estate. In effect, Republicans will rally wavering Democrats to Clinton’s cause.

    4. Barack Obama isn’t running. Clinton is crushing potential Democratic opponents in (too early) polls, including Vice President Joe Biden. And just as there is no Obama on the Democratic side, there is none on the Republican side. The Republican field promises to be a quantum improvement from the last one. OK, let me rephrase that in a way that actually sounds positive: Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are all legitimate and interesting politicians. But navigating between the Scylla of the Republican primary season and the Charybdis of a general election will test the most gifted politician. It’s hard to be crazy in spring, sane in summer and victorious in the fall.

    5. Barack Obama isn’t running. But his winning coalition doesn’t appear to be going anywhere. What part of Obama’s coalition lacks a natural affinity for Clinton? In addition to claiming support from blacks, Hispanics and college-educated women, she can make far greater inroads with non-college-educated white women than Obama ever did while surpassing him in the Appalachian stretches of the American mindscape, where resistance to Obama’s, um, policies was intense.

    Can Clinton lose? Sure. U.S. political parties hardly ever hold the White House three terms in a row. But Clinton has extraordinary fundraising capacity and is taking up all the oxygen on the Democratic side, while Republicans not named Christie are still staring into a demographic abyss. (Terry McAuliffe was just elected governor of Virginia with only 36 percent of the white vote.) Clinton can be president. Obama isn’t running.

    (Francis Wilkinson is a member of the Bloomberg View editorial board.)

  127. Of course, the “Barack Obama isn’t running” refrain in the above article will not be enough.

    Hillary will still, as admin has repeatedly pointed out, have to distance herself from Obama without offending her left too much.

    How she will do this as concerns healthcare is yet to be determined, but she has time. Let’s not jump the gun.

    I have a feeling she will eventually take a stance on further reforming healthcare by proposing changes to the ACA. After all, there are significant differences between the systems she proposed in 1994 and 2008 and the one the Dims eventually passed in 2010.

  128. Jeswezey. Yes, the concept of freedom is complex, and Barack’s administration has not been the first to infringe upon the rights of Americans. For example, his domestic spying activities were enabled by Bush. But, Barack has taken this to a whole new level. One overriding precept of the progressives is that the concept of individualism, valued by Americans from the time of its founding (by Europeans – a murderous, oppressive lot by nature – as some progs believe), is inherently evil.

    The only true and perfect way for the progressives is to eschew “individualism” and embrace the interconnectedness of all humanity. From the ideal of interconnectedness flows the even more enlightened ideal of “social justice”, a term which, as defined in the past reflected a noble and worthwhile goal, but which has since been redefined by the progs to imply a more vengeful (toward the dominant culture) and socialist concept. One has only to pick up a recent college level sociology book to see the manner in which the progressives would like to “transform America”.

    So, I won’t be voting for or supporting any candidate who embraces the progressive ideology. The accomplishment of progressive goals requires more control by government – just as the accomplishment of radical right wing does.

    I agree with you about women. In fact, as an old school liberal, in the past I have supported and worked for the advancement of oppressed races and groups, just as others here have. After 2008, I only care about fighting discrimination against women – to hell with the other groups. That may be wrong in the eyes of many, and I will agree that it is. So be it. It became crystal clear in 2008, that few people of either the dominant culture or of minority groups gave a damn about the extreme gender bias, or the extreme sexism and misogyny to which white female candidates were publicly subjected. That kind of treatment of a black or homosexual candidate would not have been tolerated by media, by the Democratic Party, by the public. But, it was fine, in their view, for women to be so maligned.

    So, yes, I want a woman in the WH, and every other public office. But, I want women whose ideals are aligned with my own – just as I would only support a male candidate with whom I agreed.

  129. Foxy, it’s my belief that Christie reached his NJ pinnacle awhile ago and I do know of a few teachers were spitting nails at one of his recent rallies over the way he denigrates NJ schools.
    —————
    This is a good video. Not sure how it will present itself here though, so here is the title: November 6, 2013 Sens. Lee, Toomey on the president’s ‘dishonest’ promise
    Congressmen react to ObamaCare testimonies
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2813453360001/sens-lee-toomey-on-the-presidents-dishonest-promise/

  130. Foxladi, one of the things a lawyer learns to do is to know the other side’s case as well as his own.

    As things now stand, you are right: Christy has no chance against Hillary.

    But he is the chosen one of the other party, and while there will be a short list of other candidates for the nomination, they will fail because they will be outspent by a factor of ten to one. Barring the unforeseen, Christie is the one to worry about, and I for one believe he will be a strong adversary.

    In order to defeat Christie, we need to understand how he will present himself, in the aftermath of the failure of Obama. He will present himself as a centrist, a bi-partisan politician, an effective manager–in sum, all the things that have caused Obama to fail. And by the end of Obama’s term in office those characteristics will be seen as essential by an electorate too stupid to realize that they are always sine qua non–even in a black president.

    He will attack Hillary by tying her to the failure of Obamacare, Benghazi, and old scandals. Big media sees the damage which their blind support has done to their credibility. therefore, they will gravitate toward the Republican this time, hoping that people will miss the fact that this is no change at all, because Christie belongs to the same corrupt east coast establishment as Obama, of which they themselves are a part.

    In addition, Rove will reach out to leftists democrats who are determined to control the party, if not the White House going forward. He will use them to undermine Hillary, and although she has got the infamous Soros on her side, you never know how many ends he is playing to the middle. In that respect, he could be a Rothschilde.

    How can we hope to counter this tsumani? That is the question. Today, it is a breeze. Three years from now it will be more akin to a hurricane.

    The most important thing Hillary can do is distance herself from Obama. The second most important thing she must do is tear down this false image of Christie, and present him for what he really is: a crass opportunist, loyal to no one, an ex-prosecutor who is willing to pay homage to a mobbed up politician who has a media empire. The third most important think is to show that Christie is a hatchet man and if he is turned lose he will destroy social security. The fourth thing is to show he has no foreign policy experience. And the fifth thing is to win back Reagan democrats and centrists by showing that she is not controlled by big business the way Christie is, and to renew her promise to take a hard look at the treaties and policies that have caused so many Americans to lose jobs, and corporations to park money rather than investing it in this nation.

    But I do not think we can assume this will be an easy victory. I can assure you it will not be.

  131. Obviously, the Bush machine would love to run Jebedia for President, but the name is toxic to the electorate. Their price for supporting Christie will be for him to take Condelessa Rice as vice president.

  132. Wbboei said
    The most important thing Hillary can do is distance herself from Obama. The second most important thing she must do is tear down this false image of Christie, and present him for what he really is: a crass opportunist, loyal to no one, an ex-prosecutor who is willing to pay homage to a mobbed up politician who has a media empire.

    __________________________________

    I agree Wbboei. 😉

  133. Rebranding Christie as GOP’s Bill Clinton Takes Agenda

    Thursday, 07 Nov 2013 04:20 AM

    By Elliot Jager

    If Chris Christie is to bring Republicans the same renewal Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton delivered for Democrats, he needs to articulate a conservative reform agenda, National Review editor Rich Lowry writes in Politico

    In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Clinton promoted a centrist philosophy to move Democrats away from the left.

    In his victory speech following his re-election Tuesday, New Jersey’s Republican governor seemed to be addressing a national audience. “Tonight, a dispirited America, angry with their dysfunctional government in Washington, looks to New Jersey to say ‘Is what I thinks happening really happening? Are people really coming together?'”

    Christie demonstrated he can reach beyond the GOP base to win in a state Barack Obama carried in 2012.

    Pulling Latinos, African Americans, women, and a wide demographic swath of New Jersey voters does not automatically translate to the national level.

    “On that score, I’d invoke ancient Scottish law and say the verdict is not proven,” writes Henry Olsen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

    “What Clinton had that Christie evidently lacks is a well-thought-out approach to his party’s predicament,” writes Lowry.

    Clinton offered a new centrist philosophy and public-policy proposals.

    “For Christie to capitalize on the opportunity he has created for himself, he will need a conservative reform agenda,” writes Lowry.

    Kavon Nikrad, a political blogger, believes an apt comparison is between Christie and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Both were U.S. Attorneys, built political careers based on support from a wide array of voters, and drew admiration for their handling of a crisis.

    Both, too, are viewed warily by the ideologically driven Republican base. Giuliani never convinced them he was pro-life. Christie will have to do better.

  134. What Clinton had that Christie evidently lacks is a well-thought-out approach to his party’s predicament,” writes Lowry.

    Clinton offered a new centrist philosophy and public-policy proposals.

    ———————–
    That was Bill’s genius. I do not think Christie is that kind of genius. But with things going the way they are, he may not need to be.

  135. Hatch blames Cruz and Lee for Cucchini’s loss?

    He would have won if a couple senators had not shut down government?

    That is not what Cucchini says . . . (see below)

    Nothing to do with the fact that the Republican governors withheld the money he needed?

    Nothing to do with the fact that republicans have lost 8 of the last 9 governor races?

    Nothing to do with attacks lauched against his Tea Party supporters by Rove?

    There is only one plausible conclusion: Hatch is a senile liar.

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    Cuccinelli advisor blames Bobby Jindal, RGA for defeat: ‘They just blew it’
    8:08 AM 11/06/2013

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    “Bobby Jindal and his political team totally blew it,” harrumphed one advisor for Ken Cuccinelli the morning after a closer-than-expected loss.

    Cuccinelli, who narrowly lost last night’s gubernatorial election to Terry McAuliffe, was badly outspent in the days and weeks leading up to the election. The New York Times‘ Jonathan Martin described Cuccinelli’s plight as having been “close to abandoned at the end.” He was. As Politico’s James Hohmann reported, ”The Republican National Committee spent about $3 million on Virginia this year, compared to $9 million in the 2009.” And as the Roanoke Times noted, in 2009, the Chamber of Commerce spent $973,000 on Bob McDonnell, but “[t]his year, the chamber gave Cuccinelli nothing.”

    But it was the Republican Governor’s Association (RGA) and chairman Bobby Jindal who drew the most ire from a Cuccinelli advisor I spoke to on Wednesday morning — this, despite the fact that the RGA spent millions on the race.

    “Bobby Jindal’s presidential campaign is over,” said the Cuccinelli advisor. “He screwed this up so bad. And I don’t know why. The campaign knew it was moving numbers over ObamaCare. And the RGA was not very far from that information, they could have obtained it themselves,” the advisor continued. “They should have given the money to the campaign to spend as opposed to running these stupid China ads. They just blew it.”

    The Democratic Governor’s Association (which actually spent less on McAuliffe) forwarded most of the money they contributed directly to the campaign. This meant they could focus like a laser beam on their message — for example, attacking Cuccinelli for advocating a “war on women.” (Conversely, the advisor says because Cuccinelli’s team didn’t control all of the RGA’s money, they weren’t able to focus on hitting the ObamaCare issue as part of a closing argument.)

    According to a DGA memo (authored by communications director Danny Kanner) released last night: “The DGA contributed a total of $6.5 million to the McAuliffe campaign over the last year, an unprecedented investment for the organization in Virginia. Roughly $6 million of that sum was transferred directly to the campaign, a strategic decision that POLITICO reported was the “most important” of all those made by the extraordinarily coordinated Democratic effort to win the race.”

    And the DGA even went out of their way to mock the RGA’s strategy, saying: “The DGA’s wise investments stood in stark contrast to those of the Republican Governors Association. Despite laws in Virginia that allow for unlimited financial contributions and complete coordination between the campaigns and outside groups, the RGA tried to run a different campaign than their own candidate – a puzzling strategy that made both the Cuccinelli campaign and the RGA less effective.”

    This complaint was echoed by the Cuccinelli advisor: ”[The RGA’s] ads were stupid. Instead of giving the money to the campaign who could spend it on ads, they were running all these ads on China — which did not move the needle. The problem is, it’s too convoluted for TV.”

    “We were grossly outspent from DGA to RGA from memorial day to labor day,” the advisor continued, which “is when a tie race became a McAuliffe lead.

    “They just took their money and spent it in New Jersey where we took a 17 point win to a 20 point win. They had a system — they had a process — that they thought was better than what Haley did. For some reason, they don’t do that in Jindal land. They run the ads themselves. I don’t know what their strategic thinking is. It just doesn’t make sense to me,” the advisor continued.

    Republicans who worry about winning elections might want to take a closer look at the RGA. As the DGA’s memo boasts: “Since 2010, the DGA has won eight of the nine elections in which both organizations have competed. In nearly all of those races, the RGA has either matched or spent more than the DGA. But we spend our dollars more effectively.”

    Note: Matt Lewis’ wife previously consulted for Ken Cucccinelli’s state Senate and attorney general campaign.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/cuccinelli-advisor-blames-bobby-jindal-rga-for-defeat-they-just-blew-it/#ixzz2jyHSDlS2

  136. After Sticking U.S. With A Sick Health Care Law, Did Unions Just Get A Sweetheart Deal On ObamaCare?

    By: LaborUnionReport (Diary) | November 6th, 2013 at 11:00 PM | 13

    Trumka and Obama

    Do you remember all of the fuss that union bosses were making a couple of months ago about ObamaCare destroying the ‘health and well being’ of their members?

    Well, as it turns out, Barack Obama may have covered his union buddies’ backs after all.

    According to the Washington Post’s Wonkblog, “the Obama administration is signaling it intends to exempt some union plans from one of the law’s substantial taxes.”

    Buried in rules issued last week is the disclosure that the administration will propose exempting “certain self-insured, self-administered plans” from the law’s temporary reinsurance fee in 2015 and 2016.

    That’s a description that applies to many Taft-Hartley union plans acting as their own insurance company and claims processor, said Edward Fensholt, a senior vice president at Lockton Cos., a large insurance broker.

    Well, isn’t that special?

    Everyone seemed to believe what the White House said–that unions wouldn’t get special treatment. Now, it turns out that may not, in fact, be true either.

    Shocking, isn’t it?

    After fighting to pass a law that is causing (or going to cause) millions of Americans to lose their health care plans, first they got themselves waivers and, now, union bosses are negotiating to make union plans exempt.

    Who do they think they are? Congress?
    _______________________
    “Truth isn’t mean. It’s truth.”
    Andrew Breitbart (1969-2012)

  137. foxyladi14
    November 7, 2013 at 10:53 am

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    foxy…loved it!…

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    http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-question-that-will-determine-obamacares-fate/article/2538650

    snip

    So, of 29 million people who might enter the Obamacare exchanges, about 17 million would be eligible for subsidies. That’s about 59 percent who would be eligible for taxpayer-paid assistance, versus 41 percent who are not. That’s a majority on the subsidy side, but not a huge one. Then figure that some of those who are eligible for help will only be eligible for very small subsidies. For example, a family of four in St. Louis, Mo., with one parent who earns $48,000 and another who earns $37,000 would be eligible for a subsidy — all of $13 per year to pay for an $8,088 policy — that is virtually no help at all. (The numbers come from the Kaiser Foundation’s online subsidy calculator.)

    Out of the 59 percent who are eligible for subsidies, then, some portion will receive subsidies that do not cover the increased cost of their new coverage. For them, Obamacare will be a net loss. So, it’s unlikely Obamacare will actually help the full 59 percent of those eligible for subsidies by Kaiser’s estimate. The bottom line is, Obamacare could very well hurt substantially more than 41 percent of the people who are currently uninsured or purchase coverage on the individual market. That’s not exactly making the system work “better for everybody.”

    And that’s not even beginning to consider the far larger number of people who receive their health coverage through work. If Obamacare means they pay more, either through work or being thrown by their employers into the exchanges, the help vs. hurt ratio could change considerably, and not in the president’s favor.

    Obamacare’s future depends on those numbers. The program will not be politically viable if it hurts more people than it helps, and probably not even if it helps a few more than it hurts. If that turns out to be the case, there will be hell to pay politically for the president and his fellow Democrats, likely for a very long time.

    This week, the liberal Washington Post blogger Greg Sargent wrote that “many experts believe the law will ultimately benefit significantly more people than it will hurt.” Maybe that will happen. But right now, the numbers look very iffy.

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    when the employer mandate kicks in…more pain and suffering for the middle class…already we know that Sebelious regulations will render many of those policies cancelled…

    now there is talk of help for the unions…depleting even more money that was supposed to “go into the pot” to keep the premiums low for the suckers, er, scratch that…the people O is mandating into Ocare to make their health care more affordable…

    O and the dims are getting extremely desperate…as posted above…now there is a pledge to insurance co to kick back to them if Ocare doesn’t make it numbers…

    there are all the secret deals on the line…

    the O dim party does not stand up for the people…just the fact that they would rationalize any of Ocare and put our personal info at rish with FELONS…just tells exactly how low the are prepared to go…

  138. foxyladi14

    November 7, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Foxy,

    One of the things that turned me off very very VERY early about Bumbles was the fact that he has no ability to talk off script. If he doesn’t have a teleprompter in front of him, he sounds like a 7th grader. Compare the 5 min clip of him in Texas to the below presentation from President Clinton. If Uncle Fluffy said what Slick said, I would run to Healthcare.gov.

    After thanks to God for my family and friends (and my brother getting hitched), my next biggest joy is that we as a nation will be that much closer to the end of the era of bumbles.

    Asshat.

    Hillary 2016

  139. Sorry. Lets try that again…

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    http://nyti.ms/160wzRS

    Hillary 2016

  140. jeswezey
    November 7, 2013 at 6:10 am

    —–
    Well, once again we agree about 85% of the time, which is pretty remarkable when it comes to my beliefs in Politics.

    We will just have to disagree on any female candidate is better than every male candidate except Trump.

    And you need to forget my typos like they were hormonal brain shorts or I am gonna have to give you a smack 🙂

  141. Sorry all! Just cant seem to get that fricken embed code right. The link should take you to the Clinton interview.

    Sorry all!

    Hillary 2016

  142. JesW

    But more importantly, it’s not a matter of willingness but of know-how: Even Obama would be “willing” to work across the aisle if only the Republicans agreed with him beforehand.

    Working across the aisle means to negotiate with people that have opposing views, debate and try to reach an agreement though common goals, often giving in to the issues that are less important to each side.

    Baracko has a law degree, for what it’s worth, and debating is taught in law school. Therefore, I don’t give him a free pass on his lack of negotiating skills.

    He only likes playing the dictator, he will ‘talk’ with the Republican’s only if he gets his way. That isn’t any type of debate, negotiation or even an adult conversation.

  143. I’ve been saying for awhile now, that Christie has no chance of winning against Hillary.

    Just the thought of their possible debates makes me bust out laughing. She will mop the floor with any of their candidates.

  144. Hillary Clinton supporters meet in Los Angeles to boost 2016 bid

    A group urging Hillary Rodham Clinton to run for president in 2016 held a fundraiser in downtown Los Angeles on Wednesday night, during which supporters called it their duty to encourage the former secretary of State to seek the White House.

    “Our job is to basically convince, to urge, to nudge, to hug Hillary Clinton into the presidential race,” said Michael Trujillo, a senior advisor to the Ready for Hillary Super PAC. “So as we take this journey literally three years from now, on election day hopefully it’s all of us at the White House, hopefully it’s all of us saying thank you to Hillary.”

    The fundraiser at the art deco Exchange LA nightclub raised thousands of dollars for the super PAC, Trujillo said, making it the group’s biggest fundraiser to date. Volunteers handed out yard signs, T-shirts and bumper stickers to the more than 400 people who were asked to donate at least $20.16 (This is also a PUMA signal to Hillary) to attend.

  145. TheRock
    November 7, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Compare the 5 min clip of him in Texas to the below presentation from President Clinton. If Uncle Fluffy said what Slick said, I would run to Healthcare.gov.

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    Red Alert…

    The Rock…those words are what worry and concern me immensely…it the abundantly more articulate Bill and/or Hillary support Ocare and just are better at selling the scan and bambozzle…then frankly, all is lost for decades to come…

    if Hillary and Bill do not unequivocally distance themselves from all the pain and control that Ocare is exerting over the middle class then, imho, all bets are off if it becomes Hillary vs Christie…if that is the case then I suspect that at that juncture many true dems will cross over to Christie…

  146. meant if Bill and Hill are better at selling the scam…everyone, please forgive me for some reason I cannot type these days and my spelling is a mess

    a scam is a scam is a scam…no matter who sells it…

  147. This week, the liberal Washington Post blogger Greg Sargent wrote that “many experts believe the law will ultimately benefit significantly more people than it will hurt.”
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    What a no good piece of shit this leftist bastard is:

    “many”: how many? what percentage of the total? etc.

    “experts”: who are they? what is their background? did they vote for Obama? who pays their salaries? is Zeke Emanuel one of those experts? How many cronies does he have?

    “believe”: do they also believe in the tooth fairy? what is their logic and evidence?–that is the question.

    “the law will ultimately”: when will this nirvana occur? in the long run, we will all be dead–Keynes.

    “benefit”: lower premium? lower deductibles? better doctors? how do we measure this, empirically?

    Sorry to parse the words of this numbnutz. But how else can we expose this kind of sophistry. When you say many experts it has a chilling effect on those who are not experts, because it makes them feel that their opinion has less value. At a minimum, these experts should be identified. From the useless sack of shit Sargent, we get generalizations and talking points as opposed to credible even handed analysis. Fools like him gave us Obama.

  148. I will bet Zeke’s new book about the saga of an American Family–growing up with Ramadan and seeing how he would one day be the mayor of Chicago is a real page turner. Al Capone had a fine American Family too. However, unlike Zeke, he merely sought to control booze gambling extortion and prostitution. Zeke on the other hand has more imperious ambitions–to control the health care system of the American People and benefit the insurance industry. Different family, same m.o.

  149. TheRock
    November 7, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Sorry all! Just cant seem to get that fricken embed code right.

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    SoKay Luv we are getting used to Glitches 😆 😀

  150. Shadowfax

    November 7, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    I’ve been saying for awhile now, that Christie has no chance of winning against Hillary.

    Just the thought of their possible debates makes me bust out laughing. She will mop the floor with any of their candidates.
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    The difficulty for Hillary is going to be from the media and it’s two-faced portrayal of her and from the DNC elites that will be publicly shamed for not backing her in 2008. I have no illusions about that woman from Missouri, Shumer, Pelousy, or any of these other fair weather dems that all of a sudden found the light and want to support the ‘best’ candidate in the field. I’m also paying close attention to the Congressional Black Caucus. I think that even they are starting to realize that bumbles is a joke and that they made a mistake 5 years ago. I have 1000% confidence with Hillary in a debate/discussion/negotiation with Putin let aone anyone the dems OR the GOP could throw at her.

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    November 7, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Red Alert…

    The Rock…those words are what worry and concern me immensely…it the abundantly more articulate Bill and/or Hillary support Ocare and just are better at selling the scan and bambozzle…then frankly, all is lost for decades to come…

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    I thought about that before making that post S, and you are right. Here is where I fall back on the political skills of Bill and Hill. Hillary hasn’t really stumped for Ocare and Bill has been cagey with his remarks (though any support for this piss-mess is bad support). And while I disagree with him coming out to say anything positive about the scam, he must be laying the foundation for something. I don’t yet know what, but he must be laying it for some reason.

    Hillary 2016

  151. The chorus calling for Hillary is helping blot out any potential rivals for 2016 as Gov Mark Dayton calls for Hillary today.

    Dayton already backing Hillary Clinton for president in 2016

    Three years early, Gov. Mark Dayton is taking a stand for his 2016 presidential pick.

    The DFL governor joined Ready for Hillary, the political action committee supporting Democrat Hillary Clinton’s potential run for president, the group said Thursday and Dayton’s staff confirmed.

    “Everyday, Minnesotans from all over our state and from all walks of life tell me that they want to see Hillary Clinton run for president in 2016,” Dayton said in a release. “Hillary Clinton is the most qualified person to be the next president of the United States.”

    The governor has long been a Clinton fan. Back when Clinton was battling in Iowa in 2008, Dayton has said one of the Clintons would go to speak to any large group of Iowans but if two or three were gathered Dayton would go to sing Hillary Clinton’s praises.
    Mark Dayton preparing for a 2008 Hillary Clinton event

    Mark Dayton preparing for a 2008 Hillary Clinton event

    There is a lot of time and challenge between now and the 2016 election. Dayton, in his first term, first has his own race to run and win next year. Recent polling found that fewer than half of Minnesotans approve of the job he is doing.

    Despite that, Dayton said: “I am proud to join the national movement that Ready for Hillary is leading to show her that, if she runs, she will have a huge grassroots army behind her.”

    Dayton served in the U.S. Senate with Clinton and he also helped fundraise for her presidential campaign in Minnesota..

    The governor has a history of picking Hillary Clinton for early backing. As early as 2005, he introduced her as “the next great president of the United States of America.” Three years later she lost her presidential bid to now president Barack Obama, who handily won Minnesota’s presidential caucus that year.

    Read more at http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/231026911.html#Z7GK7Z7w7Cs5u6Bx.99

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    It looks like the attempt to clear the field early is underway and hopefully Bill and Hill have decided to clear the field early and not let another one like Obama get a foothold. Luckily this time, we do not have to worry about the Kennedy’s and Lurch Kerry cannot intefere this time round like he did in 2008 because as the current SOS he cannot intefere in domestic matters. Obama will be a spent force by the end of 2014 and no one will be listening. Looks like lesson learned.

  152. The Rock..
    Yup

    I have 1000% confidence with Hillary in a debate/discussion/negotiation with Putin let aone anyone the dems OR the GOP could throw at her.

    —I agree, the only person that could ever give Hillary a run for her money is the Big Dawg, and since he isn’t running, she will run circles around anyone else with her experience, wit and intelligence.

    I just wish we could see a ‘coming attraction’.

  153. Moon
    It looks like the attempt to clear the field early is underway and hopefully Bill and Hill have decided to clear the field early and not let another one like Obama get a foothold.

    Every time a big name endorsement comes out for Hillary, 3 years in advance…I can’t help thinking that they are so sick of Obama and his crew that they can’t wait to get Hillary into the Oval to clean up his mess. Everyone wants to press ‘Fast Forward”.

    People are going to go nuts when she gives her decision next year, no matter which decision it is.

  154. TheRock
    November 7, 2013 at 4:17 pm

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    I know you are too smart to fall for the scam even if it is Bill/Hill pushing it…let’s hope it is as you say and they are laying the groundwork for their getaway…

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