#ZimmermanTrial Case Goes To The Jury But There Is No Justice For George Zimmerman

Update III: Six women inside the courthouse could hear the vengeful mob screaming for George Zimmerman’s blood. The six women stood their ground. These six women faced down the mob. These six women beat back Big Media and the lies. Hear the voices of the brave in this video: Jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting:



Six women told Big Media, Al Sharpton, Parks, Crump, Corey, and the race-baiters that they would not be intimidated. They said “not guilty”. So say we all.

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Update II: Verdict is in. Not Guilty!.

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Update: The only significant development thus far during the jury deliberations happened late today. The jury asked “May we please have clarification on instructions regarding manslaughter?”

This question might mean the jury has decided against the second degree murder charge. This question might mean the jury is compromised by the political pressure and is looking for a “compromise” which would doom George Zimmerman to decades in prison (although the jury does not know how severe the penalty for their “compromise” is). This question might mean the jury does not want to go home on a Saturday night to mother children and husbands. This question might mean there is confusion about the confusing manslaughter law. This question might mean one or more jurors are being a pain in the court. This question might mean nothing at all.

All we do now is sit and wait and keep our eyes fixed on Sanford and her son.

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Hillary Clinton supporters recall the threats of riots if Barack Obama did not get the nomination in Denver. Here we are again years later and the threats are of riots if George Zimmerman is not convicted and sent to prison for decades.

It was earlier threats of riots and political pressure that led to the arrest and trial of George Zimmerman. Florida has a “stand your ground” law designed to prevent the arrest and trial of law abiding citizens who find themselves forced to defend themselves against criminals who attack them. The unprovoked attacks are by definition “criminal”. The “stand your ground” laws intend to protect the law abiding citizen forced to defend herself from criminals from further having to defend herself at great expense financially and otherwise in the courts of law.

Too often victims of break-ins or assaults (all too often these victims are themselves black) defend themselves against criminals only to find themselves forced into criminal trials where they are the presumed criminal simply for defending themselves. In the present trial George Zimmerman found himself attacked by Trayvon Martin. In the course of the attack Zimmerman defended himself with deadly force. The police at the scene did not arrest Zimmerman because they believed Zimmerman and did not fear he would flee. But then, for political purposes and financial gain, the race-baiting began.

Barack Obama, ever ready to race-bait (as he did in the Henry Louis Gates race-baiting episode) insulted the corpse of Trayvon Martin as his own potential son. In an election year Barack Obama’s supporters cheered.

Joshua Heath Chellew does not have the same skin color as Barack Obama so even though he has been beaten to death Barack Obama remains silent and does not call him “son”. Perhaps 19 year old Jekari Oshay Strozier, or 18 year old Antonio Shantwan Pass, or 18 hear old Johnathan Donald Anthony, or 18 year old Kemonta Bonds, are more to Obama’s liking. These thugs killed Joshua Heath Chelley but there is no word heard from race-baiter Barack Obama because in this case the beaten and killed man is white and the cold blooded killers look like Barack Obama’s sons – if he had any.

We do not need to wonder what would have happened if George Zimmerman was not a darker shade of pale but was instead blond haired and/or blue eyed. If George Zimmerman was a white man with blond hair and/or blue eyes the race-baiting would have already taken his life. Instead because of his half-Peruvian heritage George Zimmerman has a chance to keep his freedom and his life.

Whatever the jury decides there has not been justice for George Zimmerman because he should never have been subjected to the politically motivated race-baiting that has him facing decades in prison.

American citizens have as a birthright the rule of law. The rights of Americans should not be determined by color of skin. Decades ago when it was black people subjected to lawful discrimination the nation rejected that course. George Zimmerman, of mixed heritage and race, lived in a fully integrated neighborhood with men and women of Asian, White, and Black people. Enter Gangster Government.

It is Gangster Government. George Zimmerman was not immediately arrested nor immediately charged with a crime because in large part the police at the scene did their duty and proceeded according to the law. The police chief later proceeded according to the law, fought Gangster Government, and he was removed from office:

(CNN) — The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked “in a number of ways” by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.

Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial, told CNN’s George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.

“It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn’t care if it got dismissed later,” he said. “You don’t do that.”

There was to be no justice for George Zimmerman. Obama Gangster Government from the start was stoking the fires of the lynch mob:

“Judicial Watch, a conservative legal foundation, has used the Freedom of Information Act to uncover documents that show Eric Holder’s Justice Department used a “community relations” unit to support and stage-manage public protests in Florida against George Zimmerman after his controversial February 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Justice’s Community Relations Service (CRS) even helped organize a meeting between Sanford, Fla., public officials and the local NAACP. The result was the resignation of police chief Bill Lee over his handling of the Martin case. While his resignation was rescinded after a few weeks by local officials, Chief Lee faced further pressure to leave his job and ultimately quit for good two months later. Valerie Houston, one of the pastors leading the protests against Zimmerman and Lee, praised the Community Relations Service as being “there for us.”

The website for the CRS claims it “does not take sides among disputing parties” and only provides “impartial conciliation and mediation services.” But the evidence of its activities in Sanford shows that it placed a large thumb on the scales of justice in the Zimmerman case. What can providing support for a “March for Trayvon Martin” rally headlined by the rabble-rousing Reverend Al Sharpton have to do with “conciliation and mediation”?

From top to bottom, the handling of the Zimmerman case was marinated in racial political correctness.

George Zimmerman has been denied justice already. It might still get worse for him if the jury decides to convict him based on a trial which denied Zimmerman the right to present the evidence necessary to defend himself (such as Trayvon Martin’s phone texts and pictures).

The jury now holds George Zimmerman’s fate in its hands. The instructions to the jury appear to ensure an acquittal:

“An issue in this case is whether George Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It is a defense to the crime of Second Degree Murder, and the lesser included offense of Manslaughter, if the death of Trayvon Martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force.

“Deadly force” means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.

In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capacities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty.

However, if from the evidence you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman was not justified in the use of deadly force, you should find him guilty if all the elements of the charge have been proved.”

The jury is entirely composed of six women. One of the jurors is “non-white” whatever that means. The other five jurors are white women. Be prepared for the race-baiting against the jury if they decide to acquit George Zimmerman.

Why, oh why are there no black jurors. Why are there no men? Why are there no black men on the jury? Is it racism? There were black people on the jury pool that could have been selected. There were black people that easily could have been on the jury. What Jim Crow Apartheid RACIST culprit kept black people from the George Zimmerman jury?:

“The panel was finalized on Thursday, after both prosecution and defense attorneys whittled down the pool of 40 potential jurors to six, along with four alternates: two women and two men.

It was unclear immediately after the hearing whether one of the jurors is black or Hispanic. However, in a press conference after court recessed, George Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, was asked by a reporter what he would say to people who “don’t understand the process and are upset there are no black jurors on the panel.” [snip]

O’Mara added that “the state struck the first black juror….”

The racism and race-baiting have come from one side in this entire case – the side prosecuting George Zimmerman. The racism and race-baiting have come from Barack Obama and his Gangster Government.

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194 thoughts on “#ZimmermanTrial Case Goes To The Jury But There Is No Justice For George Zimmerman

  1. Admin:

    HA!! I just posted a comment in the last thread with many of the same points as this your latest post!! 😀 Is this a case of that whole great minds theory?

    Hillary 2016

  2. Admin

    “the state struck the first black juror….”
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    I didn’t know that. I had wondered why the prosecution didn’t ensure that the jury was more racially diverse. It’s just very strange. Wonder if they were unable to find any AA jurists who could claim objectivity, and no preconceived notions of guilt.

    After all, Barrack was grieving for this young man who could have been his son. In a community that has embraced the failed president based solely on half his racial heritage, Barack’s views on the matter were likely to be more compelling than a jury’s verdict.

  3. Anyone see his plan yet…..This will cause serious trouble.

    Erdogan : Police to replace private security in public universities.

    Till now all campuses were off limits for police in Turkey unless there was something important. Now Students will be policed on campus by cops….one more step in enforcing his agenda.

    pretty sure its designed to quell dissent and spy on students at source and also i imagine spy on and remove foreign teachers who are “troublemakers”.

    Why would you have trained police in a college campus with no threats.

  4. The jury is entirely composed of six women. One of the jurors is “non-white” whatever that means.
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    She is half black and half Hispanic. A twofer. It has been said she was crying during the prosecutions final statement about Trayvon being a child. I understand she has 8 children? I also believe she was arrested once, and thought she was treated fairly. I believe another juror was arrested once also.

    My daughter has friends of the same make up. They identify as Black.

  5. WTF again…another holiday.

    Obamas to return to Martha’s Vineyard acosta.jimheadshot Posted by CNN National Political Correspondent Jim Acosta

    (CNN) – After an election year break in vacations to Martha’s Vineyard, the President Barack Obama will return to the island off Massachusetts in August for a week-long getaway from the White House.

    A White House official said the president and first lady would travel to the summer resort on August 10, staying for a week. The official added that there were no public events currently scheduled for the stay.

    Obama and his family traveled to Martha’s Vineyard in the summers of 2009, 2010 and 2011, though they didn’t take the trip last year in the final months of the 2012 presidential campaign. His past trips have included golf, grabbing ice cream with his two daughters, and bicycling around the 100-square-mile island.

    Like many presidents on vacation, Obama has withstood some criticism of his Martha’s Vineyard sojourns, including from then-GOP primary contender Mitt Romney in 2011.

    “I wish the president were in Washington calling back Congress and dealing with the challenges we have,” Romney said at an event in New Hampshire.

    Martha’s Vineyard, as a tony enclave where many of the country’s mega-rich keep homes, has also provided Obama’s rivals with fuel for their attacks on his vacation choices.

    White House officials have argued in response to criticism that a team of advisers follow the president whenever he vacations, making it possible to carry out the duties of the presidency from outside Washington.

  6. gonzotx
    July 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    Wbb,
    I have been reading a book on President/General Grant, written by H.W. Brands,have you read it?

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    I know you weren’t asking me, but when I read your question I thought I’d jump in. I hope you don’t mind. Just yesterday I bought that book while shopping in Barnes & Noble. I think I’ve read most of what H.W. Brands has written. I love his books. I hope you enjoy it.

    I will read mine when I’m through with the book I’m reading now. It’s a great one too called “The President and the Assassin – McKinley, Terror, and Empire at the Dawn of the American Century” by Scott Miller. If anyone is interested in American history I would highly recommend this book. There’s so much information about the anarchist movement. It’s fast moving, well written and has been keeping my mind occupied while I await the verdict – along with everyone else, I suppose.

  7. freespirit
    July 12, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Admin

    “the state struck the first black juror….”
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    I didn’t know that. I had wondered why the prosecution didn’t ensure that the jury was more racially diverse. It’s just very strange. Wonder if they were unable to find any AA jurists who could claim objectivity, and no preconceived notions of guilt.
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    My guess is the prosecution knew they had no real case, so by agreeing to a jury without any AAs, they could say, “Aha! and now you see why we lost!”.

  8. Well, if there was one juror who was half black, then I amend that to “agree to a jury with little racial diversity”.

  9. moononpluto
    July 12, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    WTF again…another holiday.

    Obamas to return to Martha’s Vineyard acosta.jimheadshot Posted by CNN National Political Correspondent Jim Acosta

    (CNN) – After an election year break in vacations to Martha’s Vineyard, the President Barack Obama will return to the island off Massachusetts in August for a week-long getaway from the White House.

    A White House official said the president and first lady would travel to the summer resort on August 10, staying for a week. The official added that there were no public events currently scheduled for the stay.
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    Let’s take a guess at how many 100s of millions this will cost the US tax payers, for his flight, his security detail, and their “frugal” vacation plans:

    Meechelle: “Oh look, dummy head, I love that dress in that store window. I gotta have.”

    Barky: “That dress costs 15,000, and you have so many other sleevelss dresses”.

    Mee: “Not dress, Shit-for-brains, the store. I wanna buy the damn store”.

    Barky: “You know, my books are selling well any more, not like 2008. I wonder if we officially recategorized them as ‘fiction’, it might bump the sales. Anyway, who’s going to pay for that store?”

    Mee: “The American public. Because they adore us. We’re the new Camelot, or at least, I’m the new Jackie. They need me during this turbulent time in our country’s history, to be this INSPIRATION and fashion icon. Don’t I look pretty?”

  10. Splendid analysis Admin. It underscores the reason why an acquittal here is so important. The more the race card works, the more they will play it. It is not until it fails that people will step back and re evaluate the wisdom of doing this. The elites however are 100% invested in it, because it is a way for them to divide and conquer those who would challenge their imperious reign.

    I have listened to a few legal pundits criticize the closing statement for the defense. They felt it was lacking in passion, did not remind the jury a thousand time that the burden of proof is on the state, etc.

    I did not see the entire closing, but the parts I did see were excellent. And I wondered whether those pundits saw what I saw, because their analysis does not square up with my own. Given the composition of the jury, the shortcomings of the judge, and the presence of cameras in the court room, I thought it was perfect.

    My theory of the closing statement is this: it does not persuade the jury, the way an opening statement does, because by the time it occurs, the jurors have formed their impressions. Nobody stays neutral any longer than they can stand it. It therefore follows that the purpose of a closing statement is not to persuade, but to calmly and deliberatively arm your friends on the jury with the information they need to convince their fellow jurors to decide he case your way, and to answer the questions their fellow jurors are likely to ask.

    From the sound of things, there may be trouble with one juror, and the temptation of some will be to search for some compromise. If that is the result then it is bad for the rule of law. But again, the defense lawyers did everything the could do to shut that door. I was glad to see them go at the prosecutor, because he is cloaked with the mantel of authority to which some people would defer. In sum, I think the defense closing was fine. Now it is up to the jury, and who the dominate voices are on that panel.

  11. The Muslim-in-Chief Obama asks Egyptian leaders to RELEASE his BFF, Mohamed Morsi!

    No wonder the people of Egypt loathe Obama so much.

    The United States on Friday urged the Egyptian military and interim leaders to free deposed president Mohammed Morsi for the first time since he was detained over a week ago. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the United States agreed with Germany’s earlier appeal for Morsi to be released and was “publicly” making the same request.

    Morsi has been held in a “safe place,” according to the interim leaders, and has not been seen in public since being ousted on July 3. In past days, while condemning arbitrary arrests, Psaki had refused to say whether the U.S. administration believed Morsi should be freed.

    Psaki said she was making the call for Morsi’s release “today, publicly,” but refused to say what had determined the U.S. change of stance. “We’ve expressed concerns from the beginning… about his arrest, about the politically motivated arbitrary arrests of the Muslim Brotherhood members,” she said. U.S. officials had also been in regular contact with all sectors of Egyptian society, she stressed.

    More @
    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/07/12/the-muslim-in-chief-obama-asks-egyptian-leaders-to-release-his-bff-mohamed-morsi/

  12. Leanora
    July 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    My youngest took three of Prof Brands courses after I suggested she take one of them because of the quality of his books. I too read all of his books and got to meet him last year. He is a great teacher, cares about his students as well as being a wonderful writer. While I met him at her school he also does extensive book tours and you might listen to him speak at one of those.

  13. I hate to say this and am risk of being politically incorrect…however sometimes the truth is hard to listen to for some…

    Trayvon came from Miami…he had just been suspended from school…there are various emails etc where he talks about fighting and getting a gun, etc…that was not admissable as evidence but believe me when I say Miami is loaded with tough kids, and yes many that look like Trayon…that are continually breaking into places, shooting people, robbing people, etc…

    just yesterday there is a dragnet out for two that caught on security cameras shrouded in hoodies and trying to rob a convenience store (very similiar getup and look to T)…it is an everyday…sometime multiple times a day in Miami…occurence…

    I saw one black pundit on TV, this is her website

    http://conservativeblackchick.com/ run by Crystal Wright

    and she was having none of the typical political racism being passed for honest, objective discussion on the likes of MSNBC and HLN…

    caught a segment of that kook, Dr Drew’s show…he tries to pass as some expert on psychology…and he has panels of these condescending know-it-alls that think they know better than everyone else as they push their ‘learned’ nonsense on those so beneath them…

    …anyway that show, like most of HLN, always loads the panels with group think agreers and if anyone differs they all jump on the independent thinker or overtalk or outshout them…

    lately he has had on some black woman Ms Ali, for short, she dresses in a snazzy headdress, etc…and she says the most blatant racist things possible and the whole panel smiles and glosses over and then they target the racism of the white world against this poor black child…the hypocrisy is nauseating…their special target is that man Frank that is Zimmerman’s sole spokesperson on TV…good thing he has tough skin… they all pile on him and psychoanalyze him while they are at it…a joke!

    the person mentioned above, Crystal Wright was on with the Ms Ali and she let her have it with all the ‘racism’ talk…she said why don’t you go to Chicago and do something about all the black on black crime there…

    Crystal was so insensed by the sterotyping of all black people acting a certain way…etc etc etc…she is so impressive and forthright…a real breath of honest fresh air…

    if people would start being honest instead of using labels to pacify and excuse certain bad, bad behavior they might start getting better results all the way around…instead you get a bunch of enablers that want to stick their heads in the stand…

    for the record, I am not lumping all kinds of any people in any category…just saying that when certain things are happening and instead of addressing it we get people threatening riots and that is considered ok because they are angry…well that is not progress, maturity or responsibility on anyone’s part…

  14. forgot to mention…these so called liberal, progressive shows, MSNBC and CNN…or the HLN variety…Drew, Nancy Grace, and many of the rest of them…they are enflaming the tension…many of them encourage it in code…

    nancy grace opens every show with “a young boy was gunned down by ” ….

    it is infuriating how instead of seeking solutions these people are gleeful with the divide…they thrive on using words and images to make things worse not better…

  15. Wbb,
    I have been reading a book on President/General Grant, written by H.W. Brands,have you read it?
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    No gonzo. I will get a copy if it is as good as you say it is.

    My feelings about Grant are ambiguous. When he took charge of the Army of the Potomac, we were headed toward defeat. He was fortunate to succeed a weak commander, i.e. McClellan, just as Halsey was fortunate to succeed a weak commander, i.e. Gormely. As we saw in Viet Nam, it is no good for an army to be stationary, it must remain on the move or else, sooner or later its combat efficiency goes down. Grant changed that. He got the army out of bivoac and on the move, to implement the grand strategy devised by General Winfield Scott who was a true military geniusl Under Grant’s command, we fought the Battle of the Wilderness, Spotslvania, Cold Harbor and Petersburg with the earthen trenches. They proved to be a charnal house for the nation. But where I get cross ways with Grant, was his decision to burn Atlanta, which was faithfully executed by Sherman who I regard as a Butcher. His cavalry general, James Wilson is more to my liking. He attacked the military targets, but left the civilian population alone, and maintained discipline among his men, which Sherman failed to do. Dick Morris thinks Grant was a great president. Again I disagree. I have been to the Willard Hotel in Washington where the lobbyist first hang out and that was during his administration. There was much graft in his administration and if I remember my history, they sent him on a world cruise to get him away from the temptations of Washington. He died of cancer from cigar smoking and one of the generals he fought against, Johnson was a pall bearer. That is the extent of my impressions, and I suspect the book you recommend will prove some of them, perhaps many of them, wrong.

  16. War may be hell, but when a commander targets the civilian population for annihilation, I believe he has crossed the line from civilization to barbarism, and there is no living with it. Sherman did that. Then,after the Civil War, he became General of the Army. In that capacity, he declared that our policy toward the Indian is one of extermination. Nevertheless, he is highly regarded by venerated military historians like Liddell Hart, who wrote a book about him. Personally, I think Sherman was a sociopath, and there were stories in the Cincinnati newspaper suggesting as much prior to the war, and before he was hand picked to prosecute the strategy in question.

  17. I am just so sick of all things connected to racism. Guess some of the hoods will be burned to the ground if Barry’s son’s case doesn’t hang Zimmerman from the nearest tree.

    Then again, maybe it will just be some nitwits in a few areas and a lot of bs from the media milking it to the hilt.

  18. Voting Hillary…thanks for posting those Dr Drew clips…that first one was actually tame and rational…the ‘producers’ and panel must have viewed the previous show and been so emabarrassed that they had to come back and address it and try to sound sane…(there was a previous clip somewhere when Ali calls Crystal an Oreo and Crystal tells her to look at what is going on in Chicago)

    but in the second one you get a feel for what I was describing about Crystal…I love her ‘tell it like it is’ strength…and often Mark E can be objective…but when the psycology experts are on…and Drew’s sidekick yes woman Jenny…and then the addition of Zimmerman’s friend, Frank…they all go off the rails again…especially when the psychoanalyzing begins…

    btw…Crystal was on Drew tonight and she is funny in her description of the racism going on…the rest is mostly group think agreement

  19. The only intelligent commentator on that clip is Crystal Wright.

    She is smarter than all the rest of them combined.

    All the rest of them suffer see themselves as victims, including that defense attorney.

    If I needed a defense attorney I’d be damned if I would want an idiot like her to represent me.

    I would want somebody smart and rational, like Crystal.

  20. I am just so sick of all things connected to racism. Guess some of the hoods will be burned to the ground if Barry’s son’s case doesn’t hang Zimmerman from the nearest tree.
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    Thanks to Obama and his attempted gun grab this is more than ever a well armed nation.

    The last time these youth went on the rampage, Korean store owners went up on their roofs and held them at bay.

    My feeling is this kind of incitement will continue until NBC and CNN executives are held accountable one way or another.

    Apparently the elder black woman who is dressed like a Shriner has been spouting off more than her share of racist crap, and now she turns around after inciting violence and admonishes against violence.

    I am not sure she adds anything constructive to the discussion.

  21. I was troubled by Jenny’s claim that she knew what it was like to be black because she is Jewish. What she is implying is that both blacks and Jews have been subject to discrimination. That may be true historically, but today it has limited validity. A very high percentage of the lawyers, doctors, bankers, entertainers, financiers, media etc. in the country are Jewish and they have the economic power to exert great influence throughout society. That is not the case at all with blacks. Furthermore, no Jews that I am aware of were brought to this country in chains, and sold as slaves. My Jewish friends never complain to me about discrimination, which leads me to believe that it is only a problem in marginal situations, like Obama’s home church, Reverend Farakan’s followers, etc. That said, there is a real threat to Jewish people, and it is in the middle east. Consequently, I fully support Israel, and I do not support wealthy white liberals who wish to claim victim hood by comparing themselves to what blacks have experienced. Crystal’s rebuttal was appropriate, and true. Does anyone have a different perspective on this question?

  22. Apparently the elder black woman who is dressed like a Shriner has been spouting off more than her share of racist crap, and now she turns around after inciting violence and admonishes against violence.
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    I just remembered who she reminded me of. Nelson Mandella’s estranged wife Betty Shabaaz. Nelson was a terrorist in his early days, but the got over it. Betty however never did. A decade ago she was still plotting assassinations.

  23. Mormaer
    July 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Leanora
    July 12, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    My youngest took three of Prof Brands courses after I suggested she take one of them because of the quality of his books. I too read all of his books and got to meet him last year. He is a great teacher, cares about his students as well as being a wonderful writer. While I met him at her school he also does extensive book tours and you might listen to him speak at one of those.

    How wonderful! Every time I see H.W. Brands do a lecture on Book TV, I mention to my husband how fortunate his students are to be able to sit in his class and hear him every day. I’ve never met Brands, but if he ever speaks in NYC again I will definitely try to attend. Thanks. And good luck to your daughter.

  24. Just the latest samples of twitter threats. Take them seriously and be careful – no matter where you live!

    Twitter Flooded With New Wave of Riot Threats

    Trayvon Martin supporters take to social network in greater numbers than ever before to promise unrest if Zimmerman acquitted

    As the jury retires to consider its verdict, threats to stage riots, looting and racial violence if George Zimmerman is acquitted continue to flood Twitter in greater numbers than ever before despite efforts by authorities to discourage unrest.

    http://www.infowars.com/twitter-flooded-with-new-wave-of-riot-threats/

  25. Well if it was anyone else other than the entitled AA’s threatening to riot on twitter, their doors would be being bashed in by the justice dept right now. One rule for one…….etc.

  26. The whole country is being held hostage by trash on the internet, its ridiculous…..haul their asses off…hell i could not give a shit if they burned down their own areas, go for it but expect any sympathy when you want money to rebuild it. If I was a police chief, i would warn them immediately “if you riot, you can expect zero tolerance”

    What are hispanics saying about all this, i mean he is one of their own?

  27. As the jury retires to consider its verdict, threats to stage riots, looting and racial violence if George Zimmerman is acquitted continue to flood Twitter in greater numbers than ever before despite efforts by authorities to discourage unrest.
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    I am sure they are just bluffing.

    If not they need to talk to the woman in the Shriner hat.

    I am sure she can calm them down.

    Provided she can calm down herself and stop hurling racial epithets.

    Obama could calm them down–after all they voted for him, and Trayvon was his son.

    And that was why a lot of white liberals voted for him too—in the event of racial strife.

    Unfortunately, Mr. Obama is on yet another well earned vacation.

    So all we get from him now is stony silence.

    But secretly he is loving this.

    If there is no murder and mayhem, he can take heart in the fact that he has scared white liberals out of their wits.

    If there is murder and mayhem, then he can deliver a speech on tolerance and racial justice.

    And then big media can go blatto like they always do and resume their meme of the greatest president ever.

    And he can dress up like Lincoln and ride a miniature freedom train around the perimeter of the White House.

    That, plus the postponement of the individual mandate, and he would be back to above 50% as the dead heads weigh in.

    Big media talking heads call him the come back kid as we head into the 2014 elections.

    And pundits like bald faced empty brained pundits like Jonathan Alter can write a sequel to his first book on Obama which is entitled The Center Holds.

    Which underscores another crime against the truth:

    Who are assholes like Alter to tell the rest of us what “the center” of the political spectrum is?

    I guess the center is whatever position agrees with the perverse narrative promoted by the elites in Washington, and their sustained assault on the Constitution.

  28. Question: Will Obama run for a third term? He says that 2012 was his last election. But he has lied about everything else, so why should this be any exception? I ask that question for a reason. Despite his track record of failure, half the country approves of the job he is doing. He is monitoring everyone. And he knows what buttons to push with minorities, and single women to cause them to take leave of their senses. He has an adoring media to protect him, scads of overseas contributors, and an army of eager volunteers willing to risk arrest and prosecution. There is no one in Congress who is willing to say no to him, for fear of being called a racist. Just remember, these are the same spineless bastards who have done his bidding and sat by while he destroyed the Constitution. So if his minions under the direction of Axelrod, Jarrett, and Holder could stage a Reichstag fire, it is a good bet that the lemmings would jump off the same cliff for him that they did in 2008 and 2012. The only question, then, is whether he wants it. Retirement may have some allure to him in the moment, since it would allow him to fuck off 100% of the time, whereas now he can only get away with it under the eagle eye of big media 80% of the time. But the loss of power would be devastating. Confronted with the prospect of becoming the forgotten man, he could very well decide to plant his skinny ass in the big chair and dare those racists to try and pry him loose. And when his racist opponents took the case to the Supreme Court, and read the language of Section 1 of the 22nd Amendment, i.e. no president may hold the office of president more than two terms, to Justice Roberts slowly and repeatedly to make sure he understood it, if Obama trashed the court prior to the decision, Roberts could be counted upon to overrule the 22nd Amendment. Thus, the ineluctable conclusion is if Obama wants a third term, then he can have it. We do not live in a linear world, and laws are simply words on a piece of paper unless someone has the will and power to enforce them. In the glorious age of Obama, it is patently obvious that said will does not exist, or it is vested in people like Holder who are determined to abuse it.

  29. Admin: after watching the Senate blow the best opportunity they had to learn the truth about Benghazi, Judge Napolitano has concluded that the only way we will ever learn the truth about Benghazi is through a special prosecutor. This was of course your assessment months ago, and time has certainly proven you right. As things stand, those questions are heading directly into the same black hole as looming questions about Obama’s eligibility.
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    Judge Napolitano: Senate Incapable of Unraveling Benghazi

    Thursday, 11 Jul 2013 07:44 PM

    By Greg Richter

    The Senate is “institutionally incapable” of finding out what really happened during the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, says former Judge Andrew Napolitano.

    Appearing on Fox News Channel’s “Special Report,” Napolitano said he watched Thursday’s confirmation hearings for Victoria Nuland, the former State Department spokeswoman who has been tapped by President Barack Obama as assistant secretary of State.

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    “In my former forum, the questions would have been more pointed and she would have had to give precise, specific answers to the questions,” Napolitano said.

    Nuland’s name surfaced after the Benghazi attacks because she was the go-between for the State Department in talks between the CIA and White House over talking points that would be used with the press. The final version of those talking points scrubbed any reference to terrorism.

    Republicans on Capitol Hill have been trying to find out who changed the talking points used by then-U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice on the Sunday morning talk shows. In Wednesday’s testimony, Nuland said she never communicated with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton about the talking points.

    The Senate, which has the power to confirm Nuland’s nomination isn’t capable of finding the answers to Benghazi, Napolitano said, “in part because these (Senators) are not professional cross-examiners and in part because (Nuland) doesn’t want to give truthful answers.”

    The only way the truth will ever come out, Napolitano said, would be from an independent prosecutor or the State Department of whoever assumes the presidency after Obama.

    “This is deeply and profoundly frustrating,” Napolitano said. “She obfuscated better than Susan Rice did.”

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  30. This guy is not at all the sterotypical figure which big media depicts of the New Black Panther Party, which is most closely associated with the voter intimidation which occurred at the polls in Philadelphia in 2008. He is a pretty thoughtful guy. And the story he tells is how the Obama Administration has bought off the traditional civil rights establishment, therefore it has fallen to his organization to present their side of the story on the Zimmerman trial. That does not alter may view of the equities of that case, however, I see it exactly the way Crystal does. But to the real heart of the matter, on the more important issue, namely the NAS spying, this man lays out the truth which is that the Obama Administration has silenced these same organizations–like NAACP, Urban League, etc. from criticizing this violation of the Fourth Amendment, and the corresponding loss of privacy, liberty and freedom, which is supposedly one of the things they stand for, since Martin Luther King was victimized by such surveillance at the hands of J. Edgar Hoover, hence this should be a matter of concern. But these civil rights organization are just like other organizations, perfectly willing to sacrifice their principles for the sake of power. NOW is no different. They would defend their silence in the face of tyranny by saying that the end justifies the means. But that is a dangerous, and ill conceived argument which leads to the gulag. And what standing do they retain when the pendulum shifts and at that point they attempt to invoke principle? The answer is they are no longer credible. Instead, it will be viewed as it should be, namely a mere attempt to reassert their own power to their own advantage, hence not to be taken seriously. The right message carried by the wrong messenger will have no traction. Consistency is matters of principle is the only thing that matters.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/07/13/New-Black-Panther-Chairman-Obama-Silenced-Civil-Rights-Leaders

  31. Total fucking idiots . . .

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday July 13 shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove (see trends).

  32. Legal Insurrection: This has been a dirty prosecution in so many ways, so no one should be surprised that as soon as the jury went into deliberations the retaliation began.
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    Well, here we are: Verdict Watch.

    The jury has been charged in Florida v. Zimmerman, and have begun their deliberations. The verdict form is here. Final Jury Instructions here.

    Last night they asked for an inventory list of the evidence–which makes sense given the dozens of witnesses and hundreds of exhibits. Now, we here at Legal Insurrection (and Law of Self Defense) are on stand-by ready to jump into action as soon as news emerges, whether that is the verdict itself or some lesser item. The video feeds located below the fold will be active when the broadcasters that control them feel there is something worth streaming.)

    In a breaking development, the Special Prosecutor’s Office of Angela Corey has fired the IT specialist who blew the whistle on the prosecution’s concealment of evidence:

    State Attorney Angela Corey fired her office’s information technology director Friday after he testified last month about being concerned prosecutors did not turn over information to George Zimmerman’s defense team in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

    On the same day attorneys finished their closing arguments in that nationally watched trial, a state attorney investigator went to Ben Kruidbos’ home about 7:30 a.m. to hand-deliver a letter stating Kruidbos “can never again be trusted to step foot in this office.”

    The letter is here.

    (WAJ adds) This has been a dirty prosecution in so many ways, so no one should be surprised that as soon as the jury went into deliberations the retaliation began.

  33. State Attorney Angela Corey fired her office’s information technology director Friday after he testified last month about being concerned prosecutors did not turn over information to George Zimmerman’s defense team in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
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    The obligation of the prosecutor is absolute. He or she must turn over to the defendant ALL exculpatory evidence which comes to them in the course of their investigation and prosecution. All means all. Not some, not the majority, all. That information would presumably be under the care custody and control of the Informational Technology Director of the State Attorney’s office. Therefore, he has an obligation to speak out when he has reason to believe that the State Attorney, Corley, who is facing potential liability over this entire affair, knowingly withholds exculpatory information, for the ostensible purpose of ensuring a false conviction. Under such circumstances, she should have erred on the side of fuller disclosure. This black hand letter she sent to him at his home throws the spotlight on what she is up to. They whine about how he has betrayed them. They would be better served to contemplate the possibility that Corely is the one who is guilty of betrayal, in launching and now pursuing a foul is fair prosecution. Professor Jacobsen’s comments about the prosecution are directly on point, i.e. a dirty prosecution, in so many ways . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  34. The Zimmerman trial fascinates because it is a window on this stubborn, inborn, reflex, obsessive-compulsive tendency to divide the world into I-IT, rather than I-THOU. And that is only partly because it bills itself as a look inside George Zimmerman’s soul. It is also because it is, in fact, a window into a segment of the black community’s soul. The entire case is almost entirely a creation of reverse discrimination–I-IT, again, with Zimmerman being “IT” this time. The charges that Zimmerman faced were trumped up or, perhaps, completely conjured up because he is not dark enough. Period. And we are going to find out whether not being black (just like not being white enough) is enough to get a man convicted these days.

    Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at info@keithablow.com.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/13/zimmerman-trial-inside-mind-how-race-divides-us/#ixzz2YwiLnfL2

  35. RINO Fred Barnes calls him: “the future of the republican party”.

    No doubt about that. Within the beltway, and the democrat party Marco is the toast of the town.

    Pretty soon they will be calling him the new John McCain, loser in chief.

    However, it is to be noted that the same verdict is not ringing forth from the hinterland.

    Not after his betrayal of the tea party on immigration.

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    Rubio Drops to 5th in Iowa Poll

    On Thursday, Public Policy Polling released its latest 2016 tracking poll of Iowa Republican voters. The results show a dramatic shift in Republican voter sentiment. Sen. Marco Rubio, who had led in previous surveys, has dropped to 5th place. Sen. Rand Paul now leads the pack in the critical first-caucus state.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/12/Rubio-Drops-to-5th-in-Iowa-Poll

  36. Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who first published the documents Snowden leaked, said in a newspaper interview published on Saturday that the U.S. government should be careful in its pursuit of the former computer analyst.

    “Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,” Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinian daily La Nacion.

    “The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare.”

    Snowden, who is sought by Washington on espionage charges after revealing details of secret surveillance programs, has been stranded at a Moscow airport since June 23 and is now seeking refuge in Russia until he can secure safe passage to Latin America, where several counties have offered him asylum.

    Greenwald told Reuters on Tuesday that Snowden would likely accept asylum in Venezuela, one of three Latin American countries that have made that offer.

    Snowden’s leaks on U.S. spying secrets, including eavesdropping on global email traffic, have upset Washington’s friends and foes alike.

    Latin American leaders lashed out at the United States after Greenwald reported in a Brazilian newspaper that the U.S. targeted most of the region with spying programs that monitored Internet traffic.

    Washington has urged nations not to give Snowden safe passage.

    Greenwald said in his interview with La Nacion that documents Snowden has tucked away in different parts of the world detail which U.S. spy programs capture transmissions in Latin America and how they work.

    “One way of intercepting communications is through a telephone company in the United States that has contracts with telecommunications companies in most Latin American countries,” Greenwald said, without specifying which company.

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/13/usa-security-snowden-greenwald-idINDEE96C05520130713

  37. One of the fictions that big media has sought to perpetuate with baby pictures is that Trayvon was a black CHILD. When a young man is 17, he can drink, he can vote, and he can join the army to defend this country. The one thing he is not is a child. Meanwhile black ministers have used that description to justify rioting in nearby Miami.

  38. Hillary Clinton, foreign policy. our man in Nantucket, and Barack the boob:

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/11/Why-Obamas-Foreign-Policy-Process-is-Broken.aspx#page1

    Why Obama’s Foreign Policy Process Is Broken

    Egypt continued its quick descent into chaos Wednesday, with more clashes between Islamists and pro-reform supporters. Leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood were placed under arrest just a day after 51 of supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsi were killed by the military.

    Despite the fast-moving pace of events in Cairo, the Obama administration has been oddly silent. This comes just days after U.S. ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson expressed support for Morsi, a statement quickly contradicted by the State Department. The Obama administration’s most public stance on Egypt is that what has happened there is not a coup, despite the fact that the military, which removed a democratically elected president, meets the precise definition of a coup.

    Obama’s failure to characterize events in Cairo is a strategic one: If the United States acknowledges a coup, it has to cut $1.5 billion in funding to Egypt, removing leverage. The confusion following Morsi’s ousting, followed by the radio silence in the days since, is indicative of how Obama had handled similar crises.

    They’ve not done a very good job of crisis management,” Josh Foust, a former fellow with the American Security Project and a foreign policy consultant. “They haven’t been able to get ahead of the curve, haven’t been good at managing public opinion, and they haven’t been good at having some sort of response plan in place.

    RELATED: OBAMA’S FOREIGN POLICY AGENDA BEGINS TO CRUMBLE

    This lack of preparedness has been apparent in recent weeks. The White House took a hands-off approach to the Libyan conflict. It failed to act quickly after reports of the use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. It allowed Edward Snowden to escape from Hong Kong to Moscow, keeping the NSA leaker in the news for weeks. And it’s dithering on its long-term plans for Afghanistan.

    The void caused by delayed White House action has allowed others to dictate the international conversation.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to needle Washington over Snowden
    European allies have taken the lead in Syria and Libya
    Afghan President Hamid Karzai humiliated the White House by pulling out of peace talks unexpectedly
    Even Obama’s Africa trip was eclipsed by the health of Nelson Mandela and the return of George W. Bush to the public eye

    This pattern has led critics to claim that the foreign policy operation within the Obama administration is reactive, rudderless and dominated by political, not geopolitical, concerns. New poll numbers show these criticisms have also caught on with the general public.

    These criticisms are not coming from conservative think thanks. They’re coming from former Obama administration officials.

    POINTED CRITICISMS
    For instance, Vali Nasr, who served as senior adviser to Richard Holbrooke when he was ambassador to Pakistan and Afghanistan, said this of Obama’s Afghan policies: “Their primary concern was how any action in Afghanistan or the Middle East would play on the nightly news, or which talking point it would give the Republicans. The Obama administration’s reputation for competence on foreign policy has less to do with its accomplishments in Afghanistan or the Middle East than with how U.S. actions in that region have been reshaped to accommodate partisan political concerns.”

    Anne-Marie Slaughter, director of policy planning at the State Department from 2009 to 2011, said this about Obama’s Syria policy: “Obama must realize the tremendous damage he will do to the United States and to his legacy if he fails to act. He should understand the deep and lasting damage done when the gap between words and deeds becomes too great to ignore, when those who wield power are exposed as not saying what they mean or meaning what they say.

    And Rosa Brookes, a former senior adviser at the Pentagon, attacked Obama for his failure to outline a broad, sweeping foreign policy strategy. “The Obama administration initially waffled over the Arab Spring, unable to decide whether and when to support the status quo and when to support the protesters. The United States used military force to help oust Libya’s Muammar al-Qaddafi, but insisted at first that this wasn’t the purpose of the airstrikes — and without any clear rationale being articulated, the use of force in seemingly parallel situations seems to have been ruled out.”

    All three no longer work for the president. But all of their criticisms share one central theme – Obama does not have the personnel in place to outline and execute a broad international strategy. At the heart of this problem is a disconnect between the State Department and the White House’s national security team. [snip]

    Say what you will about Bush’s actions. But it’s undeniable that the world spent eight years reacting to the United States, not the other way around.

    Compare that to the Obama White House. Hilary Clinton was given the State Department as a consolation prize. Because of her clout, State operated in an orbit separate from the White House.

    In his second term, Obama has brought in Susan Rice as national security adviser, a long-time political ally who is protective of the president and vice versa. John Kerry and the president are friendly, but they don’t share much history.

    This has lead to a lack of communication and strategy coordination between Obama and State. Now, America is reacting to events instead of shaping them.

    According to Nasr, this dynamic also politicizes Obama’s response to international events. “The president had a truly disturbing habit of funneling major foreign-policy decisions through a small cabal of relatively inexperienced White House advisors whose turf was strictly politics,” Nasr, who is now the dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, wrote recently.

    But the State Department has also played a role in the feckless response. While Egypt moved closer to chaos, Kerry was in the Middle East attempting to restart a long-dormant peace process between Israel and Palestine. On the day of the Egyptian coup, he was on a yacht.

    The State Department has really struggled post-Hillary,” Faust said. Kerry “was born to be a diplomat. He wasn’t born to be a department head.”

  39. Wbboei, that “child” narrative by Big Media is why we referred in our article to Trayvon Martin as “Saint Skittles”.

  40. … a few things…

    Wbboei…Ms. Ali is a ‘pot stirrer’…she is on that clip above sounding concillatory and rational…she is far from it, they must have read her the riot act to tone it down on that show…she has said many unbelieveably racist things to the smiles of the panel…Crystal was the perfect person to call her out on Ali’s own racism…I had never heard of her, her name is Shabrazad Ali(she is always going on about the white people and racism) and she has written some books …here is one review:

    http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0933405049 for a book written entitled ‘Are you still a slave’ (evidently if you laugh at a white man’s joke…you are)

    …as for ‘Jenny’ and her comments…Jenny is Drew’s sidekick…her purpose for being there in her little box is to feign horrified looks with wide open eyes…and then say things like “I totally agree with you Dr Drew”, (emphatically) “Yes, Dr Drew” and “You are so right Dr Drew”…once in a while she gets flustered and blurts out things that she imagines equates with the discussion…hence, ‘I am a Jew…’ (so I know what Ms Ali means…and you too Crystal…I can speak for you)

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    re: the rioting threats…

    and imho adding to the discussion Moon and Wbboei are having re: the issue of rioting…

    …funny how the liberal media is inflaming and hyping it…bordering on rationalizing for it (and the bad behavior it entails)…yet they always do so safely from afar…let these “angry” rioters march into their neigborhoods to vent their “anger” and then we will see how long their tolerance and enabling lasts…

    as long as this behavior is “over there” they have no reason to fear anything…let the rioting come into the suburbs in Maryland or tony areas in NYC or LA and then let’s see how removed the pontificators are…the Toobins and the like…

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    finally one wonders why the same media discussed never mentions…for the sake of balance…that Zimmerman and his family has been repeatedly threatend…that he had to go into hiding and move from one hotel to the next…that his family is still under threat and fear for their lives…Is that supposed to be ok? Are those threatening him supposed to be excused and justified in doing that to his family?

    …the same media never mentions the real threat of some of the AA wanting revenge…why aren’t those individuals called out on their behavior? not talking about everyone…talking about the ones regardless of color that are threatening others…Ms Ali would call them “her community” and that is what Crystal reacts to…who is in that community and why are they allowed to get away with acting badly and making threats or inciting violence…

    …much like how the media glossified the ‘Occupy Wall St’ crowd while vilifying the ‘Tea Party’…

    same tactics…divide and conquer…and create tension and hate…not solutions and resolution…

    and Wbboei @ 10:52…you are so correct, O has silenced the people that depend on him…in fact some of the Black Caucus members (can’t remember exactly who now) are on record stating they have ironically given O a pass on many of their most important issues and if it were anyone else they would be protesting and voicing their opinions…O has effectively silenced them…

    Crystal Wright rightly tries to make that point…she is a brave soul fighting a battle riddled with backlash…i took a peek at her twitter acct – she gets what you would expect…she is a traitor, etc

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    and finally Wbboei…this will interest you…

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-indicted-allegedly-falsifying-arrest-warrant

  41. admin
    July 13, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Wbboei, that “child” narrative by Big Media is why we referred in our article to Trayvon Martin as “Saint Skittles”
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    Very good admin. I missed the subtly of it.

  42. S: this whole thing has got me really pissed off. This Ms Ali has driven me to the verge of writing a stern letter to the Imperial Potentate of the Shriners of North America demanding that either he instruct Ali to cease and desist in making racist comments, or else turn in that Shriners fez and schmock she has been wearing, and be expelled from the Eastern Star. She is giving the Shriners of North America a bad name, and verbal denials are not enough.

  43. funny how the liberal media is inflaming and hyping it…bordering on rationalizing for it (and the bad behavior it entails)…yet they always do so safely from afar…let these “angry” rioters march into their neigborhoods to vent their “anger” and then we will see how long their tolerance and enabling lasts…
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    BINGO! Like that old saying from the 60s that a liberal is someone who has not yet been mugged. Real liberals are the last hope for this civilization. Real liberals. Like Goerta about women the eternal feminine move us all forward. The problem is that too many charlatans, totalitarians, faux celebrites and poseurs masquerade under that banner. A purely conservative society is a static one which cannot deal with the changes in demographics and technology. A true liberal one that values the individual is the last best hope. But what has emerged under Obama is at every turn the essence of evil in the form of an obscene conformity which crushes the individual. It is remarkable to see how quickly and unthinkingly the intelliencia in this country has succumbed to this new oppressive orthodoxy. The sun is below the yardarm, I can speak the truth and plead intoxication when someone calls me on it later.

  44. wbboei…you gave me the robust lolaughs of the day…maybe the weekend…

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    you might find this article written by Crystal that I just happened upon interesting…

    http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/11/george-zimmerman-trial-black-crime

    snip…

    a little snippet…

    Even President Barack Obama got in on the act, stoking the racist flames before any facts were revealed, “If I had a son he’d look like Trayvon”. Yet Obama has been a lot less vocal on the killings in Chicago, the city from which he hales and served as both an Illinois state senator and US senator.

    The tragedy is that blacks who are shouting about racism aren’t offering real solutions, especially to the violence issue in African-American neighborhoods…

  45. and finally Wbboei…this will interest you…

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/zimmerman-prosecutor-angela-corey-indicted-allegedly-falsifying-arrest-warran
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    I will tell you a little secret. I was one of two finalists in a big job with a Florida airline which operates in the Caribbean, and the northern tip of South America. I was not selected, they picked a less qualified attorney who was licensed to practice in Florida, whereas I was not. The 10 interviews I had went swimmingly, so I must assume that there are subtleties about Florida law which are beyond the ken of the rest of us–like stout Cortez on Darius. I mention this to you because, to my pea brain, an citizens indictment against the state attorney would be a big deal, yet, under Florida law it is not big deal. I hope it is as big a deal in Florida as it is elsewhere, because elsewhere I can assure you that it IS a big deal, and if it compounded by the failure to turn over exculpatory evidence then it is game set match.

  46. One final thought: this business of being a TRUE LIBERAL is stern stuff. What it means is taking the heat, standing up for principle and doing what is right. Virtually none of those who pretend to be liberals can meet that test. David Gregory, give a fucking break. Picture me on the floor laughing at that one. What matters to that fucking punk is NOT principle except for the principle on his $10 million mortgage, and standing at the head of the receiving line at the White House. To call him a worthless cocksucker is an insult to all the worthless cocksuckers who have preceded him in bending over to the temptations of power. And this is what I admire most in a real man like Greenwald. Like Snowen he begins and ends with the question of what is right, rather than what is expedient and will put money in my pocket. For all those who pretend to be liberals and are not, may they rot in hell.

  47. Today the main people holding blacks back as a race and taking them back to the days of Jim Crow are blacks themselves. Self appointed black leaders, advocacy groups like the NAACP and black members of Congress cry racist at every turn. Beyond this battle cry, they have no solutions to offer blacks a way towards greater economic prosperity and less violent lives.—Crystal Wright
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    Now that is the unvarnished truth. They have no solutions. Just as there would be no Pratorian Guard without Caesar, there would be no need for civil rights organizations without a plantation to cater too. It is not in their self interest to provide solutions. It is in their self interest to exploit the problem. This is the thing about groups like the NAACP, the Southern Poverty Institute or whatever Morris Dees is calling himself these days. Once they have accomplished their putative objective, the change that objective to justify their continued existence. And at some point they find themselves operated at cross purposes to their original mission. If you want to know what these groups will do forget about their tag line and mission. Instead, ask yourself two questions: what are their incentives? and what are their constraint? Only then can you accurately predict their future behavior.

  48. Once they have accomplished their putative objective, the change that objective to justify their continued existence
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    To put a finer point on it, they EXPAND the objective . . .

  49. Dershowitz: Zimmerman Prosecutors ‘Should Be Disbarred’

    Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder trial should be charged with “prosecutorial misconduct” for suggesting the defendant planned the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

    “That is something no prosecutor should be allowed to get away with … to make up a story from whole cloth,” Dershowitz told “The Steve Malzberg Show” on Newsmax TV.

    “These prosecutors should be disbarred. They have acted absolutely irresponsibly in an utterly un-American fashion.”

    Read More @
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dershowitz-zimmerman-trayvon-martin/2013/07/12/id/514847?s=al&promo_code=14298-1

  50. Leanora
    July 13, 2013 at 4:56 pm
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    Such are the powers of a prosecutor, that he or she could indict a ham sandwich if he chose to do so.

  51. Leanora
    July 13, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Dershowitz: Zimmerman Prosecutors ‘Should Be Disbarred’

    The Dershowitz article supports a post I made last thread, and admin’s above post concerning this trial. The burden of proof that the state must satisfy begins at the time of collection of evidence. You cannot prosecute what you cannot prove, and you cannot prove anything that your facts do not support. The facts in evidence do not support the charges levied against Zimmerman, and for that reason and that reason alone, he deserves to be acquitted. Had the DA that filed the charges from the beginning based on the facts collected the night of the incident and not on the politics surrounding the event, this would have been a much tougher case for the defence to tackle.

    Furthermore, the article goes on to say that lesser charges should have never been introduced at the end of the trial. This is another point I made in my post and that admin made above. Our judicial system allows for the defence to have ample time and opportunity to defend their client. To introduce what amounts to new charges against Zimmerman at the end of the trial after the evidence has been presented is grounds for a dismissal.

    I don’t want to speculate what the feeling about Trayvon Martin as a human being is here. The caustic and political nature of this trial has sparked strong feelings, and the fact that Zimmerman is being railroaded is a shame on Florida and the US justice sytem in general. It shows how far from our core beliefs we as a society have fallen. That said, it is a callous heart that would for a minute believe that Trayvon deserved to die that night. It is takes hard heart to cheer in support of a life lost before it was lived, regardless the defenders of the life that was lost. Whatever anyone feels about Trayvon, he was breaking no laws prior to being confronted, and death is MUCH MUCH too severe a price to be paid for wearing a hoody.

    In a fair and just world, the rioters should ‘dispence justice’ at the prosecuters and the DA/city offices that handled this case so poorly from the start. Zimmerman should not go to jail as a result of their incompetence.

    Hillary 2016

  52. A bad indication for George Zimmerman: the jury has a question. The question is about manslaughter.

  53. The question from the jury is “We need help understanding “manslaughter”. The judge will answer the question not the lawyers.

    The very fact that the jury wants to know about manslaughter might mean that they are looking for a “compromise” solution. What the jury does not know is that the “compromise” means decades in prison for Zimmerman.

    The jury might just be getting all the answers before a verdict but as we only have broken tea leaves to read this does not appear to be good news for Zimmerman.

  54. Looks like a stitchup of the highest order is in effect unless off course you get a hung jury of which case they cannot convict.

  55. admin
    July 13, 2013 at 6:06 pm
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    Yes, I saw this. It could mean something, or it could mean nothing. It is not surprising that they would want to understand the potential charges they are deliberating upon. I expect that some of them are saying we cannot we cannot look the other way when someone is killed. Others are saying it is our job to understand the law. Years ago I had a discussion with a Jesuit who was dean of a law school, and he said that so much of the mischief we see in this society can be traced to two opposing views of justice. One is the view is that one ought to do the right thing, no matter what the consequences, and the other is that the consequences should dictate what is right. In other words, the deontological view vs. the utilitarian view. It takes courage to do what is right. We used to look at arbitrators to hear cases, and the question we asked ourselves was is this one someone who by past experience do what is right, or divide the baby. Human weakness causes people to divide the baby, rather than doing what is right.

  56. I have a friend who is an arbitrator and he is an absolute basket case when it comes to dividing the baby rather than doing what is right. From time to time he has asked me to ghost write opinions for him, which I have done. And after defining the issues, marshaling the pertinent facts, and reaching the only logical conclusion, he revises the conclusion to divide the baby. It drives me to distraction, so much so that I let him write his own opinions, which are now illogical at all points on the compass, and give little constructive guidance to the parties moving forward.

  57. What is the use of having a trial if the trier of fact is unwilling to make the tough call? Would we not be better off hiring a baboon to flip a coin, and call it justice. After all, justice delayed is justice denied.

  58. A bad indication for George Zimmerman: the jury has a question. The question is about manslaughter.
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    To me this indicates that they have as a group ruled out second degree murder. The debate they are having internally is about manslaughter. Having a debate about manslaughter does not mean they are converging on manslaughter as a verdict. My guess is that a hung jury is more likely than a verdict of manslaughter, and a hung jury means an acquittal, as opposed to a new trial. I suspect the one juror who was crying her eyes out during the closing argument is the hold out, and the foreman is trying to convince her otherwise. But I could be dead wrong about this, so do not hold me to it.

    (Note: In some states you can be convicted by a vote of 10-2. But Zimmerman doesn’t have to worry about being convicted by a less than unanimous jury because Florida requires unanimity for conviction. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-zimmerman-jury-size-20130621,0,3918396.story)

  59. Update: The only significant development thus far during the jury deliberations happened late today. The jury asked “May we please have clarification on instructions regarding manslaughter?”

    This question might mean the jury has decided against the second degree murder charge. This question might mean the jury is compromised by the political pressure and is looking for a “compromise” which would doom George Zimmerman to decades in prison (although the jury does not know how severe the penalty for their “compromise” is). This question might mean the jury does not want to go home on a Saturday night to mother children and husbands. This question might mean there is confusion about the confusing manslaughter law. This question might mean one or more jurors are being a pain in the court. This question might mean nothing at all.

    All we do now is sit and wait and keep our eyes fixed on Sanford and her son.

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  60. If you think back for a moment to the OJ Simpson case, where we had an all black jury, they never asked for clarification of jury instructions, never requested an exhibits list, and rendered a verdict in less than 45 minutes. This left most of us with the impression that this was not justice, but juror nullification. Consequently, it is potentially a good thing that the jury in this case would behave in a deliberative manner. If we end up with an acquittal it will be harder for big media who have fashioned a hangman’s noose for Zimmerman to weasel out of it. And if all we end up with is a hung jury, it will be harder for big media and their supporters to argue that Obama’s son was the victim of a white assailant and white justice and a white jury which is what they are angling to do. Especially, NBC and CNN. But the flip side is if we end up with a conviction, then the deliberative process redounds to the benefit of the forces of evil.

  61. I do not like that jury form.

    Option 3 should read: we find the defendant not guilty OF SECOND DEGREE MURDER OR MANSLAUGHTER.

    In other words, they are finding him not guilty of the specific crimes charged, as opposed to not guilty in general.

    Unless that is a standard verdict form which cannot be altered.

  62. GOVERNMENT ISN’T US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Last week, in remarks about further increasing efficiency in government after having “made huge swaths of your government more efficient and more transparent, and more accountable than ever before,” President Barack Obama said:

    “[In] this democracy, we the people recognize that this government belongs to us, and it’s up to each of us and every one of us to make it work better. We can’t just stand on the sidelines. We can’t take comfort in just being cynical. We all have a stake in government success—because the government is us.”

    In May he also said this:

    “Unfortunately, you’ve grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that’s at the root of all our problems; some of these same voices also doing their best to gum up the works. They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can’t be trusted.”

    COMMENT:

    With trust in government near an all-time low, the president’s agenda stalled in the House because of skeptical Republicans, and a host of scandals that raise questions about governmental integrity and competence, we should expect to hear a lot more of this from President Obama over the next few weeks and months. Cynicism about government is bad because, in the end, it is just “us.” Why worry?

    THIS IS PERNICIOUS NONSENSE.

    For starters, this is not a “democracy” in the sense that Obama suggests. Government is not “us” inasmuch as we elect representatives whose job it is to represent our interests as they formulate policy. This should immediately induce some measure of skepticism about the government, for it points directly at THE PRINCIPAL-AGENT PROBLEM. That is, how can principals (i.e., the voters) make sure that their agents (i.e., their elected representatives) are actually working on behalf of the public, rather than for their own personal gain? As questions of public policy become more complex, and the agents become more entrenched, it becomes harder and harder for citizens to ensure that the people they elect are doing the job they were sent to do.

    Moreover, there is an inherent difficulty in aggregating the interests of individual citizens into something that rightly can be called “the public good.” Many times, for instance, the policy demands of one faction will result in harm to another. What to do then? At the very least, one cannot merely assume that a “democracy” will ensure that the public good is promoted after all the votes are counted, as Obama seems to suggest. IF AN AGGRESSIVE FACTION HOLDS A NUMERICAL MAJORITY, SHOULD THE MINORITY THEN EXPECT TO BE PLUNDERED? If so, then how does that serve the public good?

    The Framers of the Constitution were acutely aware of such dilemmas. James Madison summarized the “republican problem” thus:

    “The great desideratum in Government is such a modification of the Sovereignty AS WILL RENDER IT SUFFICIENTLY NEUTRAL between the different interests and factions, to controul one part of the Society from invading the rights of another, and at the same time sufficiently controuled itself, from setting up an interest adverse to that of the whole Society”. (EMPHASIS ADDED)

    This sentence is the Rosetta Stone for understanding the unique construction of our Constitution, which tries simultaneously to empower the government TO RULE THE PEOPLE AND RESTRAIN IT FROM OPPRESSING THEM. This is why the Framers spread power across three branches, with an intricate system of checks and balances between them; why they limited the power of the national government; and why they even added a Bill of Rights to state unequivocally what the government cannot do. (Note: is it any surprise that the separation of powers and the bill of rights are the very things that Obama is bent on destroying?)

    This points to why Obama is making the specious case that “government is us.” In 2008, he claimed to be the reformer; today, he is the chief executive of a government in desperate need of reform. He surely knows better than to believe this happy talk; his course syllabi at the University of Chicago, for instance, were full of critical race theorists who promulgated radical, leftist versions of the very same critique. The difference for Obama between then and now is that CYNICISM ABOUT GOVERNMENT THREATENS HIS POLITICAL POWER, something he simply cannot abide.

    Since he arrived on the national stage, Obama has TRIED TO RECAST EVERY CRITICISM OF HIMSELF AS SOME SORT OF PARANOID, FRINGE PLOT COOKED UP BY NAVES AND FOOLS. (Note: this meme has been echoed and re-echoed by big media who serve his interests NOT OURS.) Perhaps in a sign of his declining power, he is now trying to dump American luminaries like Madison and Jefferson, who dared wonder if government was really looking out for the people, into the crazy bin with the rest of us.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/author/jay-cost

  63. Sadly, if Zimmerman is sent to prison for any reason, he is a dead man if he is put in with the general prison population.

  64. Should GOP sharks strike Obamacare blood in debt-ceiling water?

    By: Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) | July 13th, 2013 at 11:50 AM |

    Now is the time for tea partier and other conservative patriots to exercise all the raw power they can muster even if it is wielded from a Speaker John Boehner-described, mere one-half of one-third of government base. This DeVine’s Right gamecock doesn’t lightly suggest the playing of government-shutdown games of chicken, especially when connected to a debt ceiling extension that can easily be exploited by the Democrat media to paint Republicans as threatening the full faith and credit of the United States. But a number of factors have combined to make repeal of Obamacare a proper vehicle for a constitutional exercise of the House of Representative’s Article I-power of the purse to counter a lawless Executive and his irresponsible Senate Democrat sycophants.

    Except for mandates that require insurers to cover pre-existing conditions and adult “children”, Obamacare has been wildly unpopular from its Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid-initiated, lawless inception, and remains so.
    The employer mandate is widely seen as preventing the creation of new jobs and causing the elimination of full-time jobs or their reduction to part-time.
    The effects of the above mandates are seen as, now, currently betraying the promise that those satisfied with their pre-Obamacare existing private insurance policies would get to keep them; and causing private insurers to cease business operations in California and elsewhere portending the fulfillment of the conservative-predicted intent of the President’s signature legislation to destroy the private health insurance industry writ large, thus ushering in the Democratic Party’s long-wished-for dream of full-blown European-style, single-payer socialized medicine.
    Obama’s tacit admission of the failure of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to neither protect patients nor control costs has shed liberal political blood in the 2014-mid-term election waters that if not acted upon by Republican-sharks could forever cement an establishment/ruling class GOP image of fecklessness that could accelerate the ongoing workforce drop-out rate as potential conservative voters give up on an exceptional American future for the next generation and merely fight for the most Welfare State scraps they can get as they fade into the sunset.

    America’s future is at stake now. Conservatives know this, have for years; and that such an epic economic failure as Obama could get re-elected cements the urgency of our current American circumstance. Three more years of an anemic “recovery” unworthy of the name that revels in a 7.6% “official” unemployment rate calculated against an increasingly shrinking pool of labor and available good jobs at good wages, much less career opportunities; could leave little to build upon even if enough Americans got economically re-educated enough to produce the needed 2010-like tea partier landslide needed in 2014, 2016 and beyond to reverse the setbacks to free market capitalism suffered over the past five years if not five decades at the hands of the Regulatory State.

    Our Grand Old Party of Lincoln and Reagan, that neither would recognize today, has proven it can lose elections and power while timidly playing its cards close to a Democrat-lite vest. Does anyone think that we can re-take the two-thirds of the government we don’t now control with the same strategy or that such control would carry with it any mandate strong enough to restore America even if we did back into power that way?

    I think not, and hope that the voices of Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Mike Lee, Rand Paul and the like, are increasingly heeded in the days and months ahead; and that the GOP House issues a debt ceiling-extension gambit conditioned upon a complete suspension or repeal of most, if not all, of Obamacare.

  65. Indeed, the rioting will begin across the country. Just ‘cuz.

    And the Resident on Vacay will do nothing to stop it. Carney will make a five second speech tomorrow: “America, oh, behave”.

    And then they’ll do nothing.

  66. Al Sharpton on Trayvon Brawley:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sharpton-slap-face-those-who-believe-justice-country_739351.html#

    Rev. Al Sharpton blasted the jury’s verdict in the George Zimmerman trial tonight on MSNBC:

    “Well, I think that this is an atrocity,” said Sharpton. “I think that it is probably one of the worst situations that I’ve seen. What this jury has done is establish a precedent that when you are young and fit a certain profile, you can be committing no crime, just bringing some Skittles and iced tea home to your brother, and be killed and someone can claim self-defense having been exposed with all kinds of lies, all kinds of inconsistencies. … Even at trial when he is exposed over and over again as a liar, he is acquitted. This is a sad day in the country. I think that we clearly must move on to the next step in terms of the federal government and in terms of the civil courts. Clearly, we want people to be disciplined, strategic. But this is a slap in the face to those that believe in justice in this country.”

    Zimmerman will likely sue the city and these race-baiters.

  67. Angela Corey, Florida State Attorney, is on TV trying to save face. There is something about her that surely reminds me of Katherine Harris from Florida during “hanging chad” problems in the 2000 Bush/Gore presidental election.

  68. admin
    July 13, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Update II: Verdict is in. Not Guilty!.
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    Thank God.

  69. admin
    July 13, 2013 at 10:29 pm
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    This verdict is a repudiation, and a thrashing for Sharpton, Corey, NBC, CNN and all the other race baiting parasites who suck the blood out of black people and the middle class. Good sportsmanship is wasting on them. May these parasites rot in hell. Obama is the devil so he will be quite at home in that venue. The others will need to get acclimated.

  70. I have to say I didn’t want Z to go away for 30 years, but I do think he made horrible decisions that led to a death of a young man who also made a horrible decision. A wanabe tough guy and a vigilante. One errorously led by a society that idiolizes thugs and hip hop and a young man with a gun who should have stayed in a car and not tried to be a cop. As a parent, I know 17 y/o’s are still a child. I feel very much for the parents.

    I think 2-5 years would have been just.

    Now I wonder how many people will pay with their lives.

    Thank you Mr President for continuing to stroke the flames of hatred and racisim.

  71. What a demagogue Sharpton is. He tells his disciples that Martin was killed for bringing home skittles and ice tea to his brother. The man is sick. I do not think his reputation can survive this one. He has no seat at the table of public discussion any more. Tawana Brawley was a generation ago, whereas this is now. Same tactics.

  72. Actions have consequences. Two young men made some bad decisions which resulted in unfortunate consequences. Perhaps some thugs and police wannabes will now change their behaviors when interacting with others in the future. I think true JUSTICE was metted out tonight which pleased me.

  73. Update III: Six women inside the courthouse could hear the vengeful mob screaming for George Zimmerman’s blood. The six women stood their ground. These six women faced down the mob. These six women beat back Big Media and the lies. Hear the voices of the brave in this video: Jury acquits Zimmerman in shooting:



    Six women told Big Media, Al Sharpton, Parks, Crump, Corey, and the race-baiters that they would not be intimidated. They said “not guilty”. So say we all.

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  74. gonzotx
    July 13, 2013 at 11:22 pm
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    From the standpoint of individual justice, you are right. Zimmerman does bear some responsibility for what happened.

    But the moment Reverend Al took center stage and did his Bonfire of the Vanities routine, and big media began reciting false facts to inflame the public, and the state attorneys office decided in their infinite wisdom to overcharge Zimmerman, individual justice was compromised on the cauldron of racial politics.

    Like you I feel sorry for the parents who did what any parent would do under the circumstances which was to seek justice as they saw it for their son. One of my closest friends and her half black daughter will be crestfallen by this acquittal. She was fixated on the events which took place prior to the final altercation, as you are. And, like you, she blames Obama for creating the racial animus surrounding this trial, on all sides.

    But from the standpoint of society, and from the standpoint of the facts the jury was given this was the right verdict. The prosecution case was full of holes, and they abused their power. It is not the role of the jury to speculate about what has not been proven.

    Thank God this jury had the courage to stand up for the rule of law rather the mob rule that Sharpay was peddling. http://www.puppyfind.com/sharpay.php. What this verdict represents is a repudiation of the racial politics which is Obama’s stock and trade, which he has used to terrorize this nation and to snuff out dissent.

    The unanimous verdict by these women represents an object lesson to men like Boehner and McConnell, who shrink from their duty to defend the nation from the predations of big media and Obama. Perhaps they will learn something. And if there is violence over this verdict, it must be blamed on the race baiters, because they are the guilty party.

  75. Well lets see how badly they handle this then, didnt take them long to find him not guilty and i hope they go after this prosecutor for all its worth, she needs disbarring.

  76. So So sad…..

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/glee-star-cory-monteith-dies-584965

    Glee star Cory Monteith was found dead at Vancouver’s Fairmont Pacific Rim hotel Saturday, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed. He was 31.
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    The actor was found at noon Saturday on the hotel’s 21st floor, Vancouver police said in a news conference. He checked into the hotel on July 6, and was expected to check out Saturday. When Monteith missed his checkout time at noon, hotel staff went to his room and discovered his body.

    PHOTOS: ‘Glee’ Season 4 in Pictures

    Police said Monteith was with other people Friday night. An examination of hotel video footage showed him returning to his room alone early Saturday morning. Police believe he was alone when he died. No cause of death was given and no foul play is suspected, police said. Police are questioning the people he was with Friday night.

    In March, Monteith voluntarily checked himself into rehab for substance abuse. He previously checked into rehab when he was 19. It was unclear why the British Columbia-native had checked into the Vancouver hotel.

    Family, Vancouver police said, have just been informed. He had been deceased for several hours when his body had been discovered.
    Monteith has played Finn Hudson, the lovable boy-nextdoor on Glee since it debuted in 2009. He also has a role in the upcoming indie All the Wrong Reasons.
    ……………………..

    These young actors cannot cope with stardom.

  77. The Judge has a look of “oh there is some serious crap coming my way” blood drained from her face.

  78. i hope they go after this prosecutor for all its worth, she needs disbarring.
    ——————
    and-

    Reverend Al needs defrocking

    and-

    Mess-I-Ahhhhhh Obama needs impeaching

    the seventh Maxim of Equity demands no less, i.e.

    Equity delights to do justice, and that not by halves.

  79. The Judge has a look of “oh there is some serious crap coming my way” blood drained from her face
    ———————
    An acquittal? After all I have done to aid and abet the prosecution? A real bad hair day. I wish I had walked out before the verdict, so I could declare a mistrial.

  80. Comments by President Obama, Al Sharpton, and others surely stirred up the racial aspects of the case and appear to have led some blacks across the country to attack whites to avenge Trayvon Martin (e.g., Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and Norfolk, Virginia).

    The media also bears a real responsibility for sensationalism. After all, most people can’t spend their days reading police reports or listening to trials. But in Zimmerman’s case, “NBC Nightly News” and the “Today Show” went so far as doctoring tapes of Zimmerman’s 911 call to make it look as if he was fixated on Trayvon Martin’s race.

    Even late in the trial, media coverage still showed pictures of a much younger 12-year-old Martin continually reinforcing the image in many minds that Zimmerman had shot a young child, not a six-foot, 17-year-old football player.

    Many readers might be surprised to learn that 17-year-olds are almost 50 percent more likely to commit murders than 28-year-olds such as Zimmerman.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/14/never-should-have-witnessed-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2Z04qvUki

  81. wbboei, its not like they need any excuse to go riot or loot, that seems to be a general trend anyway among a certain section the young in those demographics……lest we remember the flash mob riots and gang thefts.

  82. They keep showing this photograph of Trayvon as a young small boy on TV…he was not a young small boy, he was a big thumping tall 17yr old thug, high as a kite intent on theft and robbery.

  83. I think that WE MUST MOVE ON to the next step in terms of the CIVIL COURTS– Sharpton
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    If you mean move forward to civil courts as DEFENDANTS, then I wholeheartedly agree, Reverend.

  84. wbboei, its not like they need any excuse to go riot or loot, that seems to be a general trend anyway among a certain section the young in those demographics……lest we remember the flash mob riots and gang thefts.
    ——————
    Right. They do not need an excuse to riot. But they do need an excuse when they get caught. I hate whitey is not enough. Particularly after this courageous verdict.

  85. Right. They do not need an excuse to riot. But they do need an excuse when they get caught. I hate whitey is not enough. Particularly after this courageous verdict.

    …………………….

    These days under Obama and Holder at Justice “I hate Whitey” does seem to be enough.

  86. I’ve heard some dumb shits in my time but this one…..

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/13/AP-Reporter-on-Zimmerman-Verdict-So-We-Can-All-Kill-Teenagers-Now

    fter George Zimmerman was found not guilty of all charges on Saturday evening, an Associated Press reporter, Cristina Silva, tweeted this out from her verified twitter account: “So we can all kill teenagers now? Just checking.”

    So we can all kill teenagers now? Just checking
    — Cristina Silva (@cristymsilva) July 14, 2013

    Watch this dumbass on video.

  87. Wow didnt take Jackson long to play the racist and sexist card all at the same time….

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/13/Jackson-no-blacks-jury-Zimmerman

    Jesse Jackson: ‘The Jury, No Black and No Men, Was Always Suspect

    Early on Sunday morning, Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr. released a statement on Facebook regarding the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the killing of Trayvon Martin. He quickly blamed the absence of black members of the jury for the acquittal. “We are saddened and disappointed by this decision. It is a pattern involving young black men that is too often repeating itself. In my view the American legal system has once again failed justice. The jury, no black and no men, was always suspect.”

    Jackson then called for peaceful protest rather than violent protest: “The whole world observed this painful conclusion. Every avenue in the law was watching. I hope that no one will compound our pain with street justice. It will do damage to the innocent blood and legacy of Trayvon Martin.”

    He assured his readers that “The struggle for fairness and justice is not over. Justice will come to those who continue to struggle for it. We continue to pray for the parents of Trayvon Martin and we urge them to remain prayerful and to stay strong.”

    ………………………………..

    Are you saying Women cannot make informed decisions then you racebaiting sexist old bigot.

  88. moononpluto July 14, 2013 at 4:07 am:
    “….old bigot.”

    Old bigot? Tut tut, now you’re being “ageist”!!

  89. Sharpton? I think of him the same way I think of an arsonist. Why? Because in the final analysis that is what he is.
    Never happy unless something is burning. The dark mover behind all this, however is Phil Griffin. A white fat bald headed slob who is the head of MSNBC. But he hides behind the curtain, while race baiters like Al and his female counterpart Meliss Perry, spout their race baiting. Don West was right when he said the prosecution was disgraceful. The same is true of MSNBC from top to bottom. They along with NBC and CNN made a fair resolution which would have provided individual and societal justice utterly impossible. As for me, I am sick of these red under every bed, racists around every corner pundits and academicians. To a man with only a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
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    The Spectacle of Al Sharpton

    by
    Bryan Preston

    MSNBC’s reaction to the Zimmerman verdict was an editorial vomit. The network chose Al Sharpton and Melissa Harris-Perry to be among its commentators. Both predictably injected race into the discussion. It’s the only card in either one’s deck.

    Al Sharpton’s presence as a commentator is particularly galling. Sharpton operates as part shakedown artist, part con man, and part Hizballah-lite through his National Action Network. He was no bystander in the Martin case. He was among the first to turn the tragedy into a phony referendum on race relations. He is regularly among the first to deploy the terroristic slogan “No Justice, No Peace” when things aren’t going his way. Or when he believes a credible threat of violence is useful to him.

    Al Sharpton regularly denounces America as a racist country. But only in “racist” America could Sharpton build a lucrative and influential career in national media on anti-Semitism, a horrendous hoax, lies, smears and a riot that resulted in the deaths of innocent peopl

  90. Jesse Jackson: ‘The Jury, No Black and No Men, Was Always Suspect
    —————
    What’s the matter Mr. Has Been? Business a little slow? Or have you just been upstaged by Obama? Time was big media followed you around like a trained puppy. But since 2008 you have been the forgotten man. Maybe you can exploit this situation to your own personal advantage, Reverend. Sure beats spitting in white people’s hamburgers which was your stock in trade during the salad days of your youth. If you want my advice, try being part of the solution, rather than part of the problem. You could offer a more hope-ful vision for the future than the perennial racial grievance you make a market in. For example, you could look beyond your own pocketbook to the greater good of society, as Ben Carson, Tom Sowell, Crystal Wright and legitimate Americans who happen to be black are doing at the sufferance of people like you, who look backwards to the past rather than forward to the future.

  91. holdthemaccountable
    July 14, 2013 at 9:49 am
    ———————
    When Phil Griffin told the Young Turk we (MSNBC) are insiders in this administration, he was not kidding. A deal was cut between Obama and Griffin, to hire Sharpton to promote the racial grievance and to mobilize the base of the party in preparation for the 2012 election. This is why the Young Turk lost that critical time slot. He believed it was because he was critical of the Administration, and that is how it was explained to him, when he was offered a staff position. Griffin figured he would not accept it, and he was right. But the bottom line was this was not about the Young Turk, and his calculated irreverence for Obama. It was all about the 2012 election, and maximizing minority turn-out, regardless of the corruption of the social software of this country.

  92. After Pearl Harbor, and Corrigador, we had to claw our way back from the jaws of defeat. I am hoping that this verdict will prove to be a turning point in the public recognition of the incestuous relationship between big media and this administration, which makes it impossible for this society to move forward to the colorblind principles advocated by Dr. King. That is the only hopeful path ahead. The path of the race-baiter leads only to despair.

  93. False charges of racism are the last bastion of scoundrels.

    Big Media is guilty as charged. It was not just the doctoring of evidence, the hiring of race baiters, and the suppression of material evidence which they engaged in to the disgrace of their profession.

    It was how they set up the paradigm in the first place.

    1. Obama is half white and half Black. Yet they choose to call him black.

    2. Zimmerman is half white and half Hispanic. Yet they choose to call him white.

    They could have told the truth which is that they are both of mixed race. Or they could have said they are both white. Or they could have said one was black and the other was Hispanic.

    That logic would have been consistent. But to ignore the white half in once case and the Hispanic half in the other was logically inconsistent, and in the context of this case morally wrong.

    It is a false paradigm, which was calculated to prevent old wounds from healing, and to do the bidding of Obama. A news organization which degenerates to that level cannot claim to be legitimate.

  94. Of course ABQ has its own trial going, known nationally as the Casanova Cop. The Jury might decide that next week.

  95. Wonder if the lawyers can tell us, if Zimmerman leaves the country now, and they bring a civil case, does he have to come back, and would another country hand him over.

  96. The posting are slow on facebook about the issue. I think that the verdict came in faster than people thought it would. Mainly it is along political lines.

  97. wbboei
    July 14, 2013 at 2:47 am

    ————
    Thank you for that video.

    Trey hotter than a firecracker, nothing is better.

    —-
    Zimmerman, not guilty.

    Someone pass the case of matches.
    Either the hoods will be ablaze, or every hotheaded racist will be putting in their two cents to anyone that will listen.

    I refuse to listen to any more of this crap in my real life. Someone starts the conversation, I will just give a ‘deer in the headlights’ stare back like I don’t have a clue…and walk away. They may hate it, but I don’t give a crap.

  98. Harry Reid was on Meet The Press this morning.
    ——————————————
    Reid on Zimmerman: ‘This isn’t over with’
    —————
    For a corrupt politician like Dirty Harry, it is not over. With people like him, it ain’t about Travon. It never was. It is all about voter turn-out for 2014. If he and his boss can inflame the base, then they hope to take the public eye of of Obamacare. In the end, however, they may simply reap the whirlwind. For the rest of us, the acquittal closes the matter, and now we have more pressing problems to deal with as a nation moving forward. We have heard enough, more than enough from cynical race-baiters like Dirty Harry. The word in Congress is that he is a totally unscupulous and loathsome individual, hiding behind that facade of a frail, bespecaled, dottering old fool, whose voice trembles whenever he speaks.

  99. Last night I was reading a book by Lloyd Paul Stryker who was the premier trial member of the New York Bar at mid century last, and got Alger Hiss acquitted in the charged atmosphere of that day, which was similar in that respect to our own. He spoke of a Judge who he appeared before in 1912 in the prosecution of a police captain who was falsely accused of bribery and murder. The name of that Judge was Goff, but he was in many ways the spitting image of Harry Reid. “An old man with white hair and piercing blue eyes, which conveyed the misleading impression of quiet kindliness and serene benignity. How mistaken and how tragic an illusion this was. He had a cold heart and a sadistic joy in suffering of others. During the impaneling of the jury, he called a young district attorney to the bench and whispered have the shades drawn. There is not enough gloom in the court room.”

  100. http://www.chron.com/news/article/Sen-Ted-Cruz-of-Texas-heading-to-New-Hampshire-4664315.php?cmpid=hpts

    BOSTON (AP) — Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas is heading to New Hampshire as part of a summer swing through early voting states on the presidential calendar.

    The freshman senator, a tea party favorite thought to be weighing a 2016 presidential bid, is scheduled to headline an Aug. 23 fundraiser for the New Hampshire GOP.

    The trip represents Cruz’s first visit to New Hampshire, which is expected to host the nation’s first presidential primary. He has already visited South Carolina and has summer stops planned for Iowa and Florida.

    The 42-year-old senator began serving his first Senate term in January.

  101. Oh loving this….

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/07/14/carlson_sharpton_and_jackson_are_hustlers_and_pimps.html

    Tucker Carlson: Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are “Hustlers and Pimps”

    It was quite the morning for Fox News Sunday. Ann Coulter called George Zimmerman a “sacrificial lamb for this media narrative about America as being run by the Klan,” Geraldo Rivera said that if “you dress like a thug, people are going to treat you like a thug,” and Tucker Carlson gave viewers his nuanced opinion on why he doesn’t believe several key civil rights leaders should be called that.

    “I don’t know how I feel about George Zimmerman,” Carlson said (watch video here). “But I am positive that people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not deserve to be called civil rights leaders. They are not. They are hustlers and pimps who make a living off inflaming racial tensions. They know nothing about this. They’re not residents of Florida. They don’t represent anybody, they’re not elected to anything, they don’t have constituencies. The only reason they’re allowed to do this is because we in the press enable them by calling them civil rights leaders. Why do we do that?”

  102. Imagine if Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz got together in 2016…..we could have Bush/Cruz.

    The could be the funniest election name pairing ever. All i can hear is Booze Cruise.

  103. NY Giants Star: ‘Zimmerman Doesn’t Last a Year Before the Hood Catches Up to Him’

    After George Zimmerman was found not guilty of all charges on Saturday evening, New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz sent a threatening tweet that has since been deleted from his account.

    He tweeted, “Thoroughly confused. Zimmerman doesn’t last a year before the hood catches up to him.”

    Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/2013/07/ny-giants-star-zimmerman-doesnt-last-a-year-before-the-hood-catches-up-to-him/#ixzz2Z31PnOmf

  104. Polling must have been bad…….

    Obama on Zimmerman verdict: ‘A jury has spoken’

    President Barack Obama urged Americans to keep calm in the wake of Saturday’s jury verdict finding George Zimmerman not guilty of charges associated with the controversial shooting death of black teen Trayvon Martin.

    “I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher,” Obama said Sunday in a statement. “But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son.”

    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/14/19470565-obama-on-zimmerman-verdict-a-jury-has-spoken?lite

  105. See even his statement is egging them on. 🙄

    I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son.”

  106. holdthemaccountable
    July 14, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Harry Reid was on Meet The Press this morning.
    ——————————————
    Reid on Zimmerman: ‘This isn’t over with’

    Here in lies the underlying reason why our legal system is disintegrating before us. How on earth can a citizen have a fair trial when the highest ranking member of the Senate backs an INDIVIDUAL in a CRIMINAL case? I can see congresscritters using their power and influence to represent the masses against a powerful entity (NSA, big business, etc), but against a single individual? The same goes for Snowden. How great an obstacle is it (and what courage it must take) to have the leader of the free world swear legal non lethal (for now) vendetta against you? Think of the power that is weilded when THE SUSPICION that Snowden is on a plane carrying A WORLD LEADER is forced out of the sky and searched?

    gonzotx
    July 13, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    I have to say I didn’t want Z to go away for 30 years, but I do think he made horrible decisions that led to a death of a young man who also made a horrible decision. A wanabe tough guy and a vigilante. One errorously led by a society that idiolizes thugs and hip hop and a young man with a gun who should have stayed in a car and not tried to be a cop. As a parent, I know 17 y/o’s are still a child. I feel very much for the parents.

    I think 2-5 years would have been just.

    Couldn’t agree with you more (and said as much prior to the verdict). That failure rests squarely and quite comfortably on the heads of the decision makers in the DA’s office and spans every boneheaded decision that they made. Since they let this trial be governed by politics as oppsed to what the law says and what they could prove based on the evidence, they lost. And they lost fair and square. Their focus on stoking racial flames from the beginning (with the assistance of big media, by the way) mercifully backfired. Kudos to the jurors and to the defence team for doing their jobs and doing them amidst threats and violent innuendo at every corner.

    Finally, kudos to the defence team for maintaining pressure on the prosecuters. At the post trial press conference, the defence team was asked if they planned to continue in their pursuit of sanctions against the prosecuters, and they said (my words, not theirs) ‘HELL YES!!!!’

    All of Florida should be ashamed of that DA’s office. They will probably all move onto jobs running Rubio’s campaign office….

    Hillary 2016

  107. Breaking : The Department of Justice says it will review the Travyon Martin-George Zimmerman case. ”

    …………………………..

    Don’t see them interfering in other cases do you….

  108. We knew it much longer than just a month ago. Immigration reform still dead:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/how-momentum-for-comprehensive-immigration-reform-collapsed-in-the-house-20130714

    What a difference one month makes.

    It wasn’t that long ago—June 5, in fact—that conservatives in the House of Representatives were pushing the panic button, convinced that the momentum behind comprehensive immigration reform was becoming irreversible. They had watched with horror as the Gang of Eight bill, which included a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, sped through the Senate. And on this day, at a special immigration summit hosted by the Republican Study Committee, they saw members of their own chamber—some longtime opponents of “amnesty”—coming around to the case for comprehensive immigration reform, and agreeing with GOP senators that Republicans must act quickly to address what had become both a policy dilemma and political nightmare.

    It looked awfully bleak for the likes of Iowa Rep. Steve King, who emerged from that meeting red in the face and wondering aloud whether his fellow conservatives had lost their nerve — if not their minds. He marveled at how “so many otherwise smart people” in his chamber were being seduced by Florida Sen. Marco Rubio. He described that immigration summit, and the supposed ideological shift among his colleagues, as “surreal.” To King, the writing was on the wall: The House was going to pass some form of comprehensive immigration reform, and probably sooner rather than later.

    But by July 10, everything had changed. Emerging from a conference-wide immigration meeting, King and his newly vocal band of conservative comrades were floating. After convening for more than two hours to plot the path forward on immigration reform, members were still not entirely sure what the House approach would be. But this much they knew: The Senate bill was, as Speaker John Boehner said without equivocation, “dead on arrival.” The House would act, the speaker vowed. But it would not follow the Senate.

    There would be no comprehensive package. There would be no rush to approve legislation this year. And, in all likelihood, there would be no path to citizenship.
    [snip]

    On June 17, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., told a radio show that Boehner “should be removed as speaker” if he brought an immigration bill to the floor without the support of a majority of House Republicans, a violation of the so-called “Hastert Rule.” At a conference meeting the next day, Boehner promised his members that he would do no such thing. He also emphasized that immigration proceedings would go through regular order, with House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., working through a series of single-issue bills.

    Speaking to reporters later that day, Boehner publicly repeated his promise, saying, “I don’t see any way of bringing an immigration bill to the floor that doesn’t have a majority support of Republicans.”

    Feeling a sudden surge of momentum, King prepared to capitalize on Boehner’s pledge. The next afternoon, conservative activists swarmed around a makeshift stage on the Capitol lawn, listening as King and his chorus of conservative allies railed against “amnesty” for illegal immigrants and begged House Republicans to reject the Senate bill, which was on track to pass in the coming week. Energized by the swollen crowd of activists, King took the stage and cried: “I can feel it! I can feel we’re going to defend the rule of law! We’re going to defend the Constitution! We’re going to defend our way of life!”

    The momentum, King said, was shifting in front of Washington’s eyes. The camps were becoming clearer, King told National Journal during the rally. “But,” he added, “ours is getting bigger.”

    As the tension intensified outside the Capitol, lawmakers also felt the pressure up close. [snip]

    The following Thursday, Boehner again told reporters he would not bring any immigration bill up for a vote unless it had majority support. But this time, the pledge included any House-Senate compromise that could be ironed out in a conference committee. The speaker had now made it unequivocal: Either immigration reform would pass in a manner pleasing to his House majority, or it would not pass at all. There would be no back-door deal with the Senate.

    Hours later, the Senate passed its bill on a 68-32 vote, with 14 Republicans joining a unanimous Democratic caucus. The response from across the Capitol erased any doubt about the House’s willingness to follow suit. Boehner released a statement saying, “The House is not going to take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes.” The speaker reiterated that Goodlatte, an outspoken proponent of incremental legislation, would continue with regular order, and that the House would focus on “real border security.”

    Rank-and-file members were not as passive. King called the Senate triumph “a meaningless political trophy.” Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said it amounted to “amnesty now, border security never.” It wasn’t just the hardliners, either. Alabama Rep. Martha Roby, not known as a firebrand, called the Senate bill a “monstrosity.” [snip]

    In interviews with more than a dozen members prior to the immigration summit, there was remarkable consensus. On the policy side, they wanted leadership to focus on border security now and everything else later. And on the process side, they wanted a renewed commitment to a slow, incremental approach that unhurriedly tackled one issue at a time. If those expectations were met, members said, the meeting would go fine.

  109. DrudgeReport headline says that Zimmerman wants to go to law school. 🙂

    As to that “Justice Department” story from MoonOnPluto, there is this to consider:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/14/3500052/federal-case-against-zimmerman.html

    Federal case against Zimmerman would face obstacles

    The NAACP and other civil rights groups, angered by a state jury’s acquittal in the shooting death of South Florida black teenager Trayvon Martin, turned up the pressure Sunday on the U.S. Justice Department to pursue federal criminal charges against the man who killed him, George Zimmerman.

    The Justice Department has a host of criminal civil-rights laws at its disposal, and has made such cases in the past. [snip]

    In his case, it’s possible the Justice Department might consider using a different type of civil-rights law: the federal hate-crime statute. As in the King case, the double-jeopardy clause of the U.S. Constitution does not prohibit such a federal prosecution in the wake of Zimmerman’s state acquittal, because it’s a different jurisdiction. But legal experts said it’s going to be a formidable challenge for Attorney General Eric Holder to press forward with a hate-crime case against Zimmerman under U.S. civil rights laws, because Florida jurors found Zimmerman not guilty of both second-degree murder and manslaughter in Trayon’s death.

    Jurors found that prosecutors failed to prove the more serious second-degree charge that Zimmerman, the neighborhood watchman at a Sanford gated community, possessed “ill-will,” “hatred” or “spite” in the fatal shooting of Martin. Instead, the six female jurors found that Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

    Consequently, experts said, it would be legally inconsistent for the Justice Department to consider filing criminal charges against Zimmerman under the federal Shepard-Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009. [snip]

    Srebnick added: “I find it doubtful that the attorney general will pursue a prosecution on a civil rights theory simply out of displeasure with the state jury’s verdict.”

    Brian Tannebaum, a Miami defense attorney and past president of the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, agreed.

    “People are comparing this case to Rodney King, where there was a federal prosecution after a state acquittal, but the difference there was there were witnesses, specifically the video everyone still remembers,” Tannebaum said, referring to a man’s sensational videotape of the police beating.

    Zimmerman was a failed prosecution from the beginning — where the only witness [Zimmerman] had the right to remain silent [by not testifying] — and I don’t think the federal government will try again,” Tannebaum said.

    The day after the verdict, Trayvon’s parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, spoke with their attorney, Benjamin Crump, about what happens next — possibilities including not only a federal prosecution but also a wrongful-death case against Zimmerman in civil court. [snip]

    Meanwhile, the NAACP, in a statement issued by President Benjamin Todd Jealous, said the civil rights group was “not done demanding justice for Trayvon Martin.”

    By midday Sunday, about 250,000 people had signed a petition on the NAACP’s website — the surge of traffic left the site inaccessible at times — urging the Justice Department to bring a criminal civil-rights case against Zimmerman. Another 125,000 people had signed a similar petition at moveon.org, an NAACP spokesman said.

    The group’s public pressure on the Justice Department puts Holder, the nation’s first African-American attorney general, in the difficult position of making a daunting decision on a controversial case that has riveted the nation’s attention and ignited renewed debate about racial profiling.

    The story does not mention that a civil suit would open up all of Trayvon Martin’s past to examination.

  110. I hope George has a strong internal family support. I feel so sorry for him. I hope he doesn’t wake up some morning and say “oh why am I still living through this, and just do himself in! I’m worried for him because he was so stoic throughout the trial … nobody can be that strong for such a long time.

  111. …if the left and the media…and the political pundits want to really have a discussion on race then they must examine…white on black, black on black and black on white crime and killings, etc…

    it is so unfair to hear all this stuff…and then when one lone voice (that black conservative Dave ? for one…he got shouted down on CNN earlier) tries to bring up something that broadens the discussion from victimhood…to an all encompassing, honest discussion, that lone voices gets shouted down and insulted and attacked…

    the media wants to turn this into an everyday, neverending topic…they want the feds involved so they can keep this story going forever and on virtually every segment every day…

    …this is not an honest discussion if blacks are not also held responsible for the violence they perpetrate on others…

    …to hear all these pundits talking you would think they are all singing in the choir…how about looking in the mirror once in a while before pointing fingers…when everyone is involved with the discussion maybe they can be some positive change…but if it is only going to be one sided victimhood pointing the fingers at others and taking no responsibility for their own actions…then forgetaboutit!

    I feel like a trap is being set towards the rest of us…

  112. The Rock
    I remember reading about that case awhile back and the CBS story is criminally remiss on the details of shooting. It is sensationalism. She left went and got the gun and came back in and discharged it. May be other mitigating circumstances but she was not covered by Stand Your Ground. Sentence does seem severe and may have been a response to her having turned down a plea, but who knows was the gun in her name? Did endangering the children come into play. I find all news stories wrought with so much passion in the lead to be suspect.

  113. Have heard OWS is trying to hijack these so called protests. sure protest but for what really? The guy was found not guilty by a jury, i thought that was meant to be paramount in the USA.

    Far as i can see in LA is the “protests” are like tiny, very few.

    I actually saw one AA girl this morning in a restaurant say “its ridiculous, the media has used it as a soap opera and they never tell you the full story, we don’t know what that jury heard”.

    So looks like some are not buying the whole media narrative.

  114. the conservative ‘Dave’ I mentioned above is David Webb – he has a radio show on Sirius and evidently cofounded teaparty365 in NYC

    http://www.breitbart.com/Columnists/David-Webb

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html on this clip @3:56

    …he is another conservative black spokesperson who is trying to counter the group think narrative…he comes across as an intelligent gentleman…

    am beginning to notice more and more black conservatives starting to come out and speak…even though they have to take a lot of abuse and very degrading insults from people that can barely put a sentence together…

  115. A not-so-bad piece from WaPo:

    E.J. Dionne Jr., Opinion Writer: Hillary Clinton and the quiet gender revolution

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-hillary-clinton-and-the-gender-revolution/2013/07/14/91822baa-eb4b-11e2-8023-b7f07811d98e_story.html

    He ends with what I always felt was the best statement in HRC’s concession speech (I didn’t much like the “18 million cracks” remark):

    … that, going forward, “it will be unremarkable for a woman to win primary state victories, unremarkable to have a woman in a close race to be our nominee, unremarkable to think that a woman can be the president of the United States.”

  116. A Nation of George Zimmermans Awakened – Understand The Fraud – Post Verdict of Acquittal ….

    Posted on July 14, 2013by sundance

    We have not yet had true justice – We have merely stopped ONE aspect of injustice. So long as these people remain in social, political, or legal power – No-One is safe from becoming the next George Zimmerman.

    The Attention of A Nation Should Be Directed To The Fraud That Was The State Of Florida V. George Zimmerman: These Are The People Behind the Justice For Trayvon Martin™ Scheme Team agenda:

    It begins with Tracy Martin reaching out on February 28th to his sister-in-law attorney Patricia Jones, she in turn contacted Benjamin Crump from Parks and Crump law firm in Tallahassee. Crump contacted Tracy Martin February 29th and took the case March 1st.

    Crump then contacted Orlando Attorney Natalie Jackson to begin the process of formulating the offensive strategy. Natalie Jackson is a Seminole County NAACP board member and serves as a member of the Legal Redress Committee. In addition Natalie Jackson’s mom, Francis Oliver, is a major activist and historian within the NAACP.

    Read More @
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/14/a-nation-of-george-zimmermans-awakened-understand-the-fraud-post-verdict-of-acquittal/#more-66108

  117. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do not deserve to be called civil rights leaders. They are not. They are hustlers and pimps who make a living off inflaming racial tensions.
    ————————
    And what does that say about MSNBC, which gives Sharpton a prime time television show from whence to spew his racial hate and CNN who treats Jackson as the Delphic Oracle on all race related controversies?

    To big media those hustlers, those pimps, those arsonists are the final and infallible authority on all such matters. And if they just happen to yell fire in a crowed theater then it is freedom of the press.

    The reason this will not change in our lifetime is because unholy alliance between big media and the democrat party. One sees it as the path to profits, the other as the path to power. This is a known fact, and if you doubt it, then I give you two examples to the contrary: Harry Reid and Phil Griffin.

    As a society, we are just fucked. Sorry to have to say it, but it is true.

  118. If we end up with a belated outbreak of violence or more targeting of whites for violence over this verdict, and the exploitation of it for purely political ends, then Reid’s standing threat against society that this is not over will need to be revisited.

  119. admin
    July 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    My understand of Florida’s immunity laws is that if a civil suit is filed by the Martin family that an immunity motion can be filed and hearing can be called by Zimmerman to have the case dismissed. This can be ruled by the civil rather than criminal court. The defense specifically did not ask for this type of ruling because of the alleged misconduct and prejudice of the judge presiding in assisting the prosecution in hiding exculpatory evidence and her harsh rulings to the defense. If (and a probability of immunity finding is quite good) the plaintiff would have to pay for Zimmerman’s legal bills for the civil suit upon dismissal. This tangle of liability is part of the so called Stand Your Ground law which forbids harassment lawsuits against those who use self defense legally. It is a very interesting pickle the Parks and Crump law firm may find themselves in. There is some argument when a defendant may ask for immunity but the law is unclear and does not specify. The intent on when it was to be filed was to prevent trials when clear self defense is THE defense but some judges just don’t want to listen to it.

  120. foxyladi14 July 15, 2013 at 10:48 am: “Huma going to bat for Tony.”

    Yeah, Huma is such a glamour puss she’s sure to put him over the top just by standing there with her arms folded and smiling.

    She prefers playing national issues in the back room. I don’t think she knows much about NYC and she sure doesn’t like public exposure. That must be her Saudi upbringing.

  121. Crump then contacted Orlando Attorney Natalie Jackson to begin the process of formulating the offensive strategy. Natalie Jackson is a Seminole County NAACP board member and serves as a member of the Legal Redress Committee. In addition Natalie Jackson’s mom, Francis Oliver, is a major activist and historian within the NAACP.
    ——————————————
    I know people like this. There is no reasoning with them. A major historian within the NAACP? Now that impressed me. Especially, the word major. But then again, I knew a guy who got a PHD in medieval chimneys. He impressed me as well, even though he never claimed to be a major anything. And, I promise you he is not an agitator, nor did he aspire to keep one segment of the population so mired in the past that they cannot move forward, or call those within that group with a broader and more hopeful vision uncle Toms, oreos or all the other racial slurs. All this poor son of a bitch cares about is medieval chimneys. God bless him for that small contribution to civilization.

  122. Yeah, Huma is such a glamour puss she’s sure to put him over the top just by standing there with her arms folded and smiling.
    ——————-
    Everybody who knows her likes her. The people who don’t like Hillary, or conspiracy theorists who see land where there is no land, attack her because of her heritage and nothing more. And Vanity Fair among others, and if I recall correctly Deede Myers perverted anti-Clinton pro Obama husband attacked her, but among fair minded people she is high test. I met her only once, at a fundraiser, and she was gracious enough to deliver my book on leadership to Hillary. A friend of mine who was there with me knows Hillary and Huma personally, and he has the highest regard of her.

  123. Obama looking like the voice of reason while Dems go ballistic?
    ——————
    It aint selling in Peoria, trust me. That is a tough act to pull off when he helped light the fuse initially. But either way it is all just an act, by an aging ham actor who is box office poison to half the country, and type cast by the other.

  124. holdthemaccountable
    July 15, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Most likely, this is what the racist Justice Department of Holder is looking at, in their continuing effort to politicize the tragedy, to incite the base for 2014 and to exonerate their big media allies.

    42 USC § 1983 – Civil action for deprivation of rights

    Current through Pub. L. 113-14. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
    Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

  125. That language seems to apply to government action deemed to be violative of civil rights, but I believe it has also been used against private groups and citizens.

  126. Here, Larry proves to a fare thee well, what we have either believed or suspected about Obama, namely that he has no concern for the hundreds of blacks murdered mostly by other blacks in his home city of Chicago. But he feigns deep concern over the killing in self defense by a mixed race actor who big media insists on calling white, doctors the tapes to suggest racial intent, so that Obama can call him his son. There is no principal at work here, none. It is all about mobilizing the base, in a key swing state for 2016, even if it produces further tragedies. If the world Satanic has any meaning, then it applies to Obama and his fellow travelers in big media.
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    Media Lynching Derailed by Zimmerman Jury

    By Larry Johnson on July 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM in Current Affairs

    Most of the media was panting in anticipation of putting the “White Hispanic,” George Zimmerman, in jail. They envisioned the Marsellus Wallace fantasy from Pulp Fiction:

    Butch: So, what now?

    Marsellus: What now? Let me tell you what now. I’ma call a couple of hard, pipe-hittin’ niggas to go to work on homes here with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. You hear me talkin’ hillbilly boy? I ain’t through with you by damn sight. I’ma get medieval on your ass.

    Yep. Media was gonna get medieval on Zimmerman’s white ass. Notice, no one in the media dares to refer to Barack Obama as a White Black man. But George Zimmerman? Hell, yes. He be whitey. Right?

    Barack Obama and his horde of race baiting assholes need to shut the fuck up. If they spent 1/10th of the energy mourning the hundreds of black victims murdered in the streets of Chicago by other black thugs they might have some credibility on the issue. But they don’t. Black on black violence is just kept out of sight and out of the limelight.

    So happy that Zimmerman walked. And really happy to watch the media squawk their fury at being deprived the chance to electronically lynch the non-white white man.

    Oh yeah. One more thing. I also am fed up with the bullshit that Trayvon Martin was an “unarmed boy.” Ridiculous. A five foot, eleven inch boy? Unarmed? He had two arms. Those were his weapons. He was not slapping George Zimmerman. He was pummeling him. Trayvon broke Zimmerman’s nose and was using Zimmerman’s head as a basketball on the sidewalk. If Zimmerman had the mixed martial art skill of Carlos Condit then he possibly could have reversed Trayvon’s dominant position. But Zimmerman is no Carlos Condit. He shot to defend himself. Trayvon, as is typical of too many young men, made the mistake of picking on someone he thought was smaller and weaker than him. He forgot to consider that he might be staring down the barrel of a gun.

  127. Instigators of mob justice, like Sharpton, NBC/CNN, and, one begins to suspect, little Himmler aka Harry Reid, would do well to remember a long forgotten movie on the subject, where the very kind of mob hysteria they purposely fed–knowing that it would never affect their privileged lives, and the false evidence they manufactured–both gladly and gleefully, could have resulted in a similar tragedy, had it not been for the courage of six women jurors. As the sheriff in the television show Northern Exposure said to me at a Hillary fundraiser in Seattle, about Hillary specifically, and women in general, they are better than we are. And the worst of us, is that fucking Obama.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIDfzCzdjcs&feature=player_detailpage

  128. Here is a fine short piece by Eric Zorn about the Zimmerman farcical debacle. It is from his blog and appeared on
    Real Clear Politics ( a good site to catch up on things from all sides):

    Change of Subject
    OBSERVATIONS, REPORTS, TIPS, REFERRALS AND TIRADES
    BY ERIC ZORN |
    Saturday, July 13, 2013

    Zimmerman acquitted: Your thoughts and mine

    UPDATE–I don’t have a lot to add to my 25 thoughts on all this (20 things I think about the George Zimmerman case  &  5 more things I think about the George Zimmerman case).  Perhaps the jurors agreed with my basic outline of the story, that Zimmerman wrongly felt Martin was up to no good, got out of his truck to follow (not chase) Martin so he could lead police to him when they arrived, was ambushed by an angry Martin, was getting his butt beaten and panicked and shot him, then embellished his story in order to bolster what was already a legitimate claim of self-defense under Florida law.
    It’s pretty clear jurors didn’t buy  the idea suggested by prosecutors that Zimmerman actively pursued Martin, confronted him, provoked the fight that he was winning at the time the fatal shot was fired and then made up a bunch of lies to justify what he did.
    And it may have been that, as I’ve suggested all along, they focused almost exclusively on the final altercation and what likely happened in the 30 seconds or so leading up to that. And that they found that long gap in the timeline — a gap when Martin could easily have strolled home — highly suggestive that Martin himself sought and initiated the fight.
    We’ll know if and when they give interviews.
    One of the reasons I began writing about this case in the first place was my worry that the public was not being fully and adequately informed about what’s known about what actually happened that night compared to what many people think happened. And that an acquittal, which has always seemed both possible and just to me, would be greeted by just the sort of exasperated, furious, inaccurate statements I’ve been listening to these last two hours on cable TV.
    Zimmerman chased Martin. Zimmerman confronted Martin. Zimmerman had no reason to shoot Martin. 
    These were always opinions, never facts that appeared to be backed up with evidence offering proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and no number of clumsily phrased news reports and no amount of incendiary punditry suggesting otherwise could make it so.  All they could do was make people angrier than they ought to be at this verdict.
    Proof wasn’t there. Our system demands such proof, and the system worked.  All along, those who were demanding “justice for Trayvon” were telling us what that meant was for Zimmerman to face a fair trial and the judgment of the jury of his peers. 
    Some of those outraged by the verdict are calling tonight for the U.S. Justice Dept. to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman — federal charges being a slippery way around the Constitutional prohibition against double jeopardy — and that sounds like many kinds of wrong.  We need to move the conversations about race and guns forward and not keep this particular wound open any longer.  
    And we can’t let civil rights charges be used as political tools to attempt to assuage people who are angry about not-guilty verdicts in otherwise straightforward local criminal trials. If U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder gives the go-head to such an effort, it will rip the country apart.

    Posted at 11:59:00 PM in Trayvon Martin case

  129. Jessie and Al don’t care about Treyvon anymore that Obama and Holder do. They have exploited his death for their personal agendas – Sharpton’s and Jackson’s being to remain in front of a camera and behind a microphone for as long possible. I’ll bet Jessie has already written a bunch of snappy rhymes, in anticipation of speeches to come. And Sharpton has probably hired an agent to get him as many appearances as possible before the story dies down. Of course, there will be other racist incidents that will provide opportunities for these two irrelevant opportunists to incite racial tension. If not, they’ll create one – as they did in this case.

    Treyvon’s parents must not be aware just how much their son’s death has been exploited by the media, Obama, Holder, and other so -called civil rights advocates like Sharpton and Jackson. That’s truly sad. Not only to lose a son, but to have his death used in such a despicable manner. As others have said, if Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest cared about the lives of black youths, they would address the violence and destruction in Obama’s home town.

  130. This is a useful article. What it can and should be used for is to rebut the MSNBC story that a white man killed a black child for buying skittles and ice tea for his brother, and an all white jury acquitted him, just like the racial hangings by the Klan in the deep south following the civil war, as the “major historian of the NAACP” is prepared to show. The prosecution case stunk to high heaven, and the style of the prosecutor was vaguely reminiscent of Roland Freisler, Hitlers blood judge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQaP5aLVig8

    This article rebuts the prosecution case, point by point. I will give you the intro here, and the balance appears in the link below:

    Zimmerman Closing Arguments: Detailing What the Mob Ignores
    No intellectually honest protester — or jury — could have convicted. Challenge the mob’s assertions with this summary.

    by
    Mike McDaniel

    George Zimmeman was found not guilty by a six-woman jury late in the evening of July 13, 2013. To try to understand why they came to that decision, consider the closing statements of the prosecution and defense. In many ways, they forecast that verdict.

    In this backwards case — defense attorney Mark O’Mara called it the “bizarro case” — the prosecution plumbed improbable depths once more by springing a motion to send an alternate charge of third-degree murder to the jury. Third-degree murder in Florida is murder committed during the commission of a felony. The supposed felony here? Child abuse. Even Judge Nelson couldn’t warp the law to conform to that degree of lunacy, and eventually settled on second-degree murder with a lesser included charge of manslaughter.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/zimmerman-closing-arguments-detailing-what-the-mob-ignores/

  131. OBAMA IS THE BIG LOSER IN THE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL
    Roger Simon, PJMedia
    July 13th, 2013 – 9:48 pm

    Forget the over-zealous prosecutors and the repellent state attorney Angela Corey (who should be immediately disbarred or, my wife said sarcastically, elevated to director of Homeland Security) and even the unfortunate Trayvon Martin family (although it is certainly hard to forget them — they have our profound sympathies), the true loser at the Zimmerman trial was Barack Obama.

    By injecting himself in a minor Florida criminal case by implying Martin could be his son, the president of the United States — a onetime law lecturer, of all things — disgraced himself and his office, made a mockery of our legal system and exacerbated racial tensions in our country, making them worse than they have been in years. This is the work of a reactionary, someone who consciously/unconsciously wants to push our nation back to the 1950s.

    It is also the work of a narcissist who thinks of himself first, of his image, not of black, white or any other kind of people. It’s no accident that race relations in our country have gone backwards during his stewardship.

    Congratulations to the jury for not acceding to this tremendous pressure and delivering the only conceivable honest verdict. This case should never have been brought to trial. It was, quite literally, the first American Stalinist “show trial.” There was, virtually, no evidence to convict George Zimmerman. It was a great day for justice that this travesty was finally brought to a halt.

    We all know Al Sharpton, the execrable race baiter of Tawana Brawley and Crown Heights, agitated publicly for this trial more than anyone else. But he most likely would not have succeeded had it not been for Obama’s tacit support. As far as I know this is unprecedented in our history (a president involving himself in a trial of this nature).

    The media also followed Obama (as they always do) by enabling the demagogue Sharpton, as if he were a serious person. The media, as I wrote before, treated this case like pornography, something to be exploited, giving it all sorts of racial import it didn’t have. The New York Times, acting like true reactionaries of the Obama era (how can we use the word “liberal” with these people?), even went so far as to invent the term “white Hispanic” to fit the case. The National Enquirer couldn’t have done it better. (I take it back. The Enquirer behaves more ethically.)

    The irony is that the people who suffer most from the media behaving in this manner are black people who are manipulated into acting as an interest group when they have no interest. They are literally victims of the media and of Obama.

    Of course, they aren’t the only ones. Almost everyone is a victim in in this case that should never have been tried. George Zimmerman will never live a normal life. The American public has been polarized with emotions stirred up for absolutely no reason. Racism is essentially manufactured, as if it were a commodity.

    A further irony is that recent polls have shown racism in our culture at all-time lows. You don’t hear that from the media or from our administration, however. This knowledge is not to their advantage.

    As I type this article, I am listening to Geraldo, on the post-verdict show, nattering on about the possibility of the Justice Department initiating a civil rights prosecution of Zimmerman. If that happens, the Obama administration will have outdone itself in the creation of racism. The shame continues.

  132. wbboei
    July 13, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    What a demagogue Sharpton is. He tells his disciples that Martin was killed for bringing home skittles and ice tea to his brother. The man is sick. I do not think his reputation can survive this one. He has no seat at the table of public discussion any more.
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    My wife noticed how gaunt and lifeless Rev. Al looks. Of course, it is good to lose excess weight, but all those years of race baiting have taken their toll. And his reputation continues to go down hill. He’s only useful for driving the more extreme AA movement, and being a sh*t-stirrer on MessNBC.

  133. wbboei
    July 14, 2013 at 2:52 am

    Even late in the trial, media coverage still showed pictures of a much younger 12-year-old Martin continually reinforcing the image in many minds that Zimmerman had shot a young child, not a six-foot, 17-year-old football player.

    Many readers might be surprised to learn that 17-year-olds are almost 50 percent more likely to commit murders than 28-year-olds such as Zimmerman.
    &&&&&

    Indeed, MSM continued to show a pre-teen Trayvon, seldom showing the 17 year old version with hoodie, any tatoos, etc.

    Also, Zimmerman detractors constantly refer to “the boy” who was killed, and piling on with “skittles”.

    Let’s not discuss those mixed martial arts interest…

    Their arguments before and after the verdict were skewed away from reality, not listening to cogent arguments presented by the defense, and exaggerating points that would make Zimmerman look guilty, facts be damned.

    “You’re watching CNN, the fact-free zone”.
    “This is MSNBC, the state mouthpiece”.

  134. You kind of wish Rev Al and his ilk like Jackson would take a long walk off a high cliff and leave everyone else be.

  135. CAIRO (Reuters) – The first senior U.S. official to visit Egypt since the army toppled its elected president was snubbed by both Islamists and their opponents on Monday, while huge crowds of supporters of the ousted leader demonstrated in the streets.

    After meeting the interim head of state and the prime minister, Deputy Secretary of State William Burns insisted he was not in town “to lecture anyone”. But many on either side of Egypt’s divide suspect Washington of plotting against them.

    A huge crowd of supporters of Islamist Mohamed Mursi poured into a square near a mosque in northeast Cairo carrying a giant Egyptian flag, banners and portraits of the detained leader.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/senior-u-official-visits-egypt-islamists-plan-more-015149321.html

  136. moononpluto
    July 14, 2013 at 4:07 am

    Wow didnt take Jackson long to play the racist and sexist card all at the same time….
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    Hmmm, is this the SAME jury that the prosecution agreed to???

  137. foxyladi14
    July 15, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    CAIRO (Reuters) – The first senior U.S. official to visit Egypt since the army toppled its elected president was snubbed by both Islamists and their opponents on Monday, while huge crowds of supporters of the ousted leader demonstrated in the streets.
    ———————-
    When Obama was asked about this by a reporter, the rest of Obama loving big media gasped in horror that anyone calling themselves a journalist could ask a question which could called into question his intelligent foreign policy, the Messiah waved off his big media attack dogs, and responded thusly:

    You are not a legitimate reporter, but if you were, and you deigned to ask me, your messiah, what you have just asked, then I would say that this is incontrovertible proof, that I hail from Ill-inois and am a greater than Lincoln. White House historian Michael Beschloss was first to pronounce this, but only as a theory, where as now, I confirm it myself and from this point forward it is to be treated as Holy Writ by all who do not wish to be thought of as racists.

    Verily, verily, I say unto you that I am a greater than Lincoln. He accepted the proposition that a leader can please some of the people some of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but never to my knowledge did Lincoln ever conceive of the possibility that a leader could, with a little effort, please all of the people none of the time. Yet, I, you, moi, I have proven in Egypt that this is possible. And, if Lincoln were living today, my worshipers in Big Media would demand that he proclaim me to be a greater than Lincoln. But, beyond all that, here is what pleases me most as a Messiah. I have wrecked the American economy, torn the social fabric to pieces, and made a mockery of my office, and yet, half the electorate still loves me, thanks to the cover-up by big media. Moreover, I have punted on Iran, and helped set the Middle East ablaze, yet I stride across the globe like a god, because, silly goose, I am one.

    (Damn it Brian Williams, get your mouth away from my zipper).

  138. holdthemaccountable
    July 14, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Reid on Zimmerman: ‘This isn’t over with’
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&

    What will “they” try to do now that Zimmerman was declared “not guilty”?

    NAACP, Holder, Obama want to go after him at a Federal level, for hate crimes (although they admit the bar is high to reach, and there’s NO WAY it’ll work. So…what else?

    IRS audit.

    ATF inspection into GZ’s gun licensing.

    Local authorities following him around for jay walking, or for creating a public disturbance (“because there are all these protestors around your house that you are attracting”).

    Phone tap.

    Holder looking the other way when death threats come in from New Black Panther Party, and other “civic organizations” who mouth these words, “we’re not exactly encouraging violence, but sometimes, hey, we can’t control everyone”.

  139. rgb44hrc
    July 15, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    Holder looking the other way when death threats come in from New Black Panther Party
    ——————————-
    Exactly. Raw beast. All because of a concern about human skin.

  140. HLN used to be a branch of CNN. I wonder if they are still connected. I think HLN just stole MSNBC’s audience. They’d been implementing some change for awhile, but came out of a closet so-to-speak this past Friday night providing wall-to-wall Tray coverage all weekend long and it is still intense today as far as I can tell. I check in often but do not stay long.

  141. foxyladi14
    July 15, 2013 at 10:42 am

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    foxi, I saw an segment earlier today on CNN and they were discussing ‘if is is possible to profile someone without being racist’ ironically, the only voice of reason i heard was the man mentioned above, David Webb…(btw…no one will ever hear about the situation you cited above…that would be balance…the media and the race baiters do not want to hear or talk about that…they can’t even talk about the reality of Chicago)

    everyone else is falling over themselves to fit everything into the racism against AA category…there is one younger AA woman, don’t know her name she is on CNN alot as a pundit (not the former prosecutor Sunny)…anyway…she is so, so angry…so mad, so bursting with hate and vengence and lashing out…no one can reason with her…

    …when I hear all of this all being pigeonholed into everything and it is directed solely towards black males I want to ask…’Is is possible for AA to be racist?” ‘Is it possible for AA males to be racist” ‘Do you know any AA that are racist?’ ‘Is it ok for AA to be racist against white people? (as in they can use very derogatory words even in an insulting way and it is ok, but anyone else then immediately they are big racists) Do AA’s get a pass on bad behavior…or mirror behavior of what they are claiming against others?

    If you look at comments on the internet or some of these interviews in the media…there is a lot of racism by AA towards others…but it seems ok…no one calls them on it…

    Is it ok for young black males to kill white people? or is it equally bad for all sides to be doing these evil things?

    they is enough blame to go around for everyone…not just for one side…

    …imho…that would be an honest discussion…what we are hearing now is very one sided and it is get hyped to a frenzy…the media is not representing balance and they are encouraging unrest at the same time…and making the divide wider…if we all were faced to look at all sides of what is really going maybe each side would start to see the other’s POV…

    but one gets the feeling that the media and mentioning what some AA’s do to
    the other side is forbidden…it must be ignored…like it is not happening…

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