Some Answers: Hillary Clinton, Benghazi, And The Nomination Fight For 2016, Part I

Update: Hillary’s opening statement on Benghazi: “I take responsibility”. Other than a spirited John McCain not much has happened this morning. As we wrote below Republicans have caved on Benghazi like they have on the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling. Perhaps this afternoon the House Republicans will ask some pertinent questions.

Most ridiculous “question” came from Durbin of Illinois who spent his time remembering Bush era “weapons of mass destruction” stories which at the time even Al Gore thought were true. Somehow Durbin forgot Hillary voted for the authorization on that Iraq issue. Even if Durbin has a point on the weapons of mass destruction issue, shouldn’t everyone of every political stripe be against misinformation and lies in situations such as Benghazi? People died, Obama lied.

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It’s going to be an update kind of day here with Hillary Clinton testifying before the foreign policy committees of Congress. Hillary will be at the Senate starting at 9:00 a.m. and this afternoon she will appear before the House committee. The topic is Benghazi.

We’re going to use the focus on Hillary Clinton this week to answer questions about what we are going to do in 2016 and all manner of questions as to what is going on with Hillary Clinton and 2016. The Hillary Clinton for President Federal Elections Committee reports a surplus with all debts paid so there are a lot of answers to questions available for those without need of political seeing eye dogs.

Those without political sight write silly things about us such as this:

“…that place will be fascinating to watch if Hillary decides to run as they’ll now have to reverse course and launch internal purges against all the tea party dreck they’ve attracted since Hillary conceded.”

By “that place” they mean good ol’ Big Pink. We’ll try to ‘splain to these illiterates what we are going to do in 2016 and what they are going to do as well. They’re so stupid and incapable of understanding they spew nonsense about us calling Elvis “gay” (we never wrote anything so silly about Presley although we did write that Jailhouse Rock is the gayest song to hit the American top ten and all you have to do is read the lyrics to know we are right”) so we will explain to them as clearly as possible what we believe they are going to do before they receive their marching orders and do what they are told to do.

Hint for these are other DailyKooks: Barack Obama will do everything in his power to make sure Hillary Clinton does not get the nomination of the party in 2016. The DailyKooks will dredge up every attack they employed against Hillary Clinton in 2008 because they will not surrender the Obama Dimocratic Party to Hillary or Bill or Terry or Penn or anybody. But that’s all for another in this series of articles and we will explain it all in Part II or III.

For those wondering why we are talking about 2016 when Hillary Clinton will be “grilled” on Benghazi today let’s get real and understand that 2016 is the subtext of today’s hearings. We will always put country above party or personality and we want answers about what happened in Benghazi as well as the entire catastrophe presided over by Barack Obama in the Middle East and the abomination termed by Obama managed declinists as the “Arab Spring”.

But we now doubt there will be any answers because it appears that Republican policy is now to cave on anything they previously said they cared about. Tomorrow we will see the complete collapse of Republicans on the debt ceiling after they earlier collapsed on the fiscal cliff and today we might just see a complete collapse of opposition on foreign policy.

Will Republicans dare face down Hillary? Probably not (not even in the House) especially as the latest WaPo/ABC poll shows Hillary Clinton popularity peaking.

We want answers as to what happened in Benghazi. On this issue politics should be put aside and let the chips fall where they may. As we have repeatedly written we believe if the entire story is told Hillary will come out smelling like a rose. But we doubt the entire story will be told while Barack Obama is in office.

Perhaps Republicans are being wise by caving on the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling and Benghazi. Perhaps their cowardice on budgets, debts and deficits will pay off sometime in the future. Perhaps they want to use the Benghazi disaster against Barack Obama and John Kerry not the outgoing Secretary of State.

Meanwhile there are a lot of questions that need answers.



The New York Times reports some of the Egyptian terrorists from the hostage taking in Algeria were in Benghazi. There are a lot of questions that require answers:

“Congressional investigators have pieced together a series of decisions that led State Department officials to inexplicably draw down security in Libya last year even as threats and attacks against Western diplomats were rising in the violent, chaotic city of Benghazi where America’s ambassador was killed last Sept. 11.”

It’s going to take much more than a top to bottom review to explain all the Obama failures of leadership in the Middle East.

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251 thoughts on “Some Answers: Hillary Clinton, Benghazi, And The Nomination Fight For 2016, Part I

  1. Corker’s introduction speech is good and stronger than we expected although he is keeping hands off Hillary. His comments are more an attack on the failures of his own committee. He thanks Hillary for her openness.

    BTW, Hillary looks great in green. Nice green jacket and matching emerald earrings in a gold setting which match her gold necklace. Michelle Obama should get a clue as to how to dress and not wear costumes from sci-fy movies. Scrawny Barack we can’t help dress other than to put on a red rubber nose and large colorful shoes.

  2. Hillary confirmed that there was a CIA operations center at Benghazi. Hillary said she called Petraeus to see what was going on with his operation the night of the attack.

  3. Marco Rubio up now. States admiration for Hillary. Now asking about any meetings on security she attended. Hillary says no security requests came to her.

    This Rubio exchange with Hillary might be the most important political news of the day.

  4. Is anyone else getting nervous about what Hillary is saying? She has already told the panel that we need to stay in Mali. It doesn’t matter that we were never attacked by Mali – that doesn’t mean we won’t be in the future. (Sounds familiar) She told them that they need to provide more money for security in Mali and Libya.

    Hillary is using what used to be republican excuses. And she is indicating that we are going to remain in the mid-east and Africa for a long time!

    That’s not what I wanted to hear!

  5. What a joke this hearing is.

    No mention of WHY the US did not send support to Stevens and company
    .
    No mention of the MIA pos and his dismissal of the tragedy, going to bed before he knew what had happened, flying out to Vegas the next day. Of course he wouldn’t
    miss his inauguration after party which went on until 4 a.m. The blow must have been flowing.

    No mention of the outrage of the first US ambassador in 30 years being assassinated.

    No mention of what actually happened to Stevens before he died – the alleged rape, the dragging through the streets.

    No mention of why Rice continued to blame the attack on an amateur video.

    No hard hitting information gathering questions.

    Just complete BS.

    HRC looks great in green, looks rested, but for me her goal is to wrap this up as soon as possible, get off the hot seat and then pretend it never happened on her watch.

    She says she takes responsibility but I have yet to hear any explanation for her lies.

    Sorry for the assessment but it’s how I feel.

    Ultimately the pos is to blame for everything but she facilitated not only his re(s)election but his ducking any accountability.

    Pathetic.

    I find it disgusting.

  6. “But we now doubt there will be any answers because it appears that Republican policy is now to cave on anything they previously said they cared about. Tomorrow we will see the complete collapse of Republicans on the debt ceiling after they earlier collapsed on the fiscal cliff and today we might just see a complete collapse of opposition on foreign policy.”

    Sadly, I agree.

  7. Sorry again but her outburst to the senator questioning her about how the video explanation came out and became the meme of the month was unacceptable.

    She said “What difference does that make?”

    It makes a heck of a lot of difference if the country was deliberately lied to in order to protect the pos’s election ambitions.

    I want to know the truth.

  8. This is outrageous. She is still covering for Rice, the pos, the video explanation saying there was no clear picture when she herself blamed the events on the video and in fact taped a Pakistanis PSA apologizing for it.

    BS BS BS BS BS,

    I am disappointed.

  9. Brilliantly Machiavellian move to delay testimony until after the election, after the inauguration and just before stepping down from the POS position.

    Half of each questioner’s time is taken up with a lovefest over her tenure at state and the rest of the questioning about Benghazzi lacks focus or passion.

    What a slap in the face to those who were slaughtered and to the country.

  10. These hearings are completely scripted.

    One Senator started getting to the truth of the matter but there was no follow-up.

    Rubio’s questioning was weak and ineffective.

    McCain has provided the most probing inquiries so far but I don’t doubt that was prearranged between him and HRC.

    Then Dickie Durbin brings up Weapons of mass destruction and infers there were no hearings about that so how dare anyone question this administration.

    BS.

  11. Update: Hillary’s opening statement on Benghazi: “I take responsibility”. Other than a spirited John McCain not much has happened this morning. As we wrote below Republicans have caved on Benghazi like they have on the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling. Perhaps this afternoon the House Republicans will ask some pertinent questions.

    Most ridiculous “question” came from Durbin of Illinois who spent his time remembering Bush era “weapons of mass destruction” stories which at the time even Al Gore thought were true. Somehow Durbin forgot Hillary voted for the authorization on that Iraq issue. Even if Durbin has a point on the weapons of mass destruction issue, shouldn’t everyone of every political stripe be against misinformation and lies in situations such as Benghazi? People died, Obama lied.

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  12. What we said from the very beginning: the one question that has never been answered is why on the anniversary of 9/11 was there no additional security at American installations, bases, embassies?

    This is the sole question that has to be asked and an answer which is satisfactory, comprehensive and believable, received.

  13. Rand is on fire. Says if he had been POTUS when HRC fumbled Libya she would have been relieved of her post.

    Also brought up the weapons running from Libya to Turkey.

    She was stunned.

    Go Rand.

    I don’t mean to dump on HRC. The ultimate fumbler is the POS. I am just furious that everything has been swept under the rug and judging by today’s hearings that’s where it will stay and the pos will get yet another pass.

    She is covering for him. She has been forced to do so.

  14. Senate portion of the day is over. So much for the speculation that Hillary was afraid or running away from these hearings. Next stop, the House hearing.

  15. Michelle Obama: Sugary drinks are racist.

    NAACP: Not having access to sugary drinks is racist.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUGARY_DRINKS_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-23-06-18-52

    NEW YORK (AP) — Opponents of the city’s limit on the size of sugary drinks are raising questions of racial fairness alongside other complaints as the novel restriction faces a court test.

    The NAACP’s New York state branch and the Hispanic Federation have joined beverage makers and sellers in trying to stop the rule from taking effect March 12. With a hearing set Wednesday, critics are attacking what they call an inconsistent and undemocratic regulation, while city officials and health experts defend it as a pioneering and proper move to fight obesity.

    The issue is complex for the minority advocates, especially given obesity rates that are higher than average among blacks and Hispanics, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control. The groups say in court papers they’re concerned about the discrepancy, but the soda rule will unduly harm minority businesses and “freedom of choice in low-income communities.” [snip]

    The NAACP and the Hispanic Federation, a network of 100 northeastern groups, say minority-owned delis and corner stores will end up at a disadvantage compared to grocery chains.

    “This sweeping regulation will no doubt burden and disproportionally impact minority-owned businesses at a time when these businesses can least afford it,” they said in court papers. They say the city should focus instead on increasing physical education in schools.

  16. Did we learn anything new from these hearings. As we prepare to attack Iran, we get assurances that there will be no second Benghazi? Can we rely on them? The problem I have with all this is when the smoke clears the wrong party takes the fall. You cannot run an effective government this way. I do not like the fact that Hillary takes responsibility for what happened in Benghazi, when the fault for this lay higher up in the administration. The cover-up bothers me greatly as well. I cannot overlook the conflicting testimony here–in the aftermath of this disaster. The worst part of her testimony is it shields Obama. Hearings like this are yet another cover-up. If you wonder whether I watched the hearing, the answer is no. I have seen, read and heard alot. No surprises. No accountability.

  17. BASIL99
    January 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Rand is on fire. Says if he had been POTUS when HRC fumbled Libya she would have been relieved of her post.

    Also brought up the weapons running from Libya to Turkey.

    She was stunned.

    Go Rand.
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    Right.

    As I have said from the beginning–be very careful of what you take responsibility for.

    That would be the first rule of trial practice.

    Why take the fall?

    Does she think this will not come back to haunt her.

    If Admin is reading this right, her own party will use this episode against her, if she decides to run in 2016.

    Rand Paul, for all his bluster, was merely saying what many were thinking.

    Competence is Hillary’s strong suit.

    Does this mea culpa make her look competent?

    When it was not really her fault.

    Let us hope the take away from this–she never saw the telegrams, is believed.

    But how does that bear on the issue of competence?

    If Issa does the questioning, the afternoon may be more difficult than the morning.

    If Boehner people lead the charge, it will peter out shortly after the gavel falls.

  18. Dutbin is a giddy panda with worms crawling out of his brain and an Illionis Combine insignia stamped on his forehead. He is the epitome of all that is wrong with the system, and is dumber than owl shit, which has been known to attract worms, like David Gregory.

  19. Gotta look at this thing with a cold sense of detatchment. This is neither about protecting Hillary or attacking her. It is about getting past the cover-ups, the press censorship and the adminstration lies to the truth. The tedency of patisans is to overlook the facts–and the lack of real accountability here—I take responsibility is a parry against a more in depth analysis of what went wrong–and it means nothing except for future political calculation. It seems that the political class cannot put politics aside long enough to solve a problem, and that is the winter of our discontent. They are too afraid of where the chips might fall, and how it affects their future ability to loot the American People. Big media is the worst offender in that respect. It is beyond disgusting.

  20. Thanks for the updates Admin, I was only able to watch the very end of Hillary’s Senate hearing. Does anyone know when the House hearing is today, will it be on CSPAN too?

  21. Michelle Obama: Sugary drinks are racist.

    NAACP: Not having access to sugary drinks is racist.

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    What racist crap.

    MO needs to put down the carrot sticks and take on the deterioration of minority youth – mainly that have no responsible fathers in the home, gang life and all the shootings in their neighborhoods.

  22. I would like to actually see and hear the complete hearing (Senate) before I lash out at Hillary for anything.

    Was Rand Paul in the hearing, questioning Hillary herself…..or is he just attacking her in a tv bluster?

  23. He was attacking her at the hearing..that part was just grandstanding and Hillary handled it well. Other areas she has handled as best as possible , but the “what difference does it make” not the best answer, albeit it was in the context of
    the tragedy of the killing of four Americans. I don’t think these hearing are going anywhere….just a formality and will be forgotten in a month if not sooner .

  24. I watched 1/3 of the hearing.Hillary did great! McCain was tough, Rand Paul,too and the RJ ,too. I see Hillary as sincere, I think she feels as in peace with herself.There are a lot of things here that weren’t her responsibility but she’s taking the blame because she is very Institutional and feels an obligation and compromise in her mind with the well being of the US.so far I don’t think it damages her reputation, and she has been very forthcoming and transparent as much as the circumstances have let her.Reading different blogs, she did great in the general public opinion.She didn’t send Susan R to the TV shows and it was a CIA compound as I read above.I’m with the ADMIN, if we could know all the truth, she would smell like roses.

  25. Thanks Leanora for the link to Rand Paul’s pile of crap he threw at Hillary.

    The ‘Worst tragedy since 9-11″…..what is he smoking? How many people were killed that day in Libya? How many people were just killed at the school a month ago? How many American’s were just killed as hostages? How many other American’s have been killed since 9-11?

    Anyway, I don’t need an answer to these questions to see he was grandstanding as mentioned above.

  26. House hearings now on. Will there be any focus or theme from Republicans? Will they try to at least get the answer to the question we keep suggesting is at the core of this entire matter – Why no added security on 9/11?

  27. my opinion: the whitehouse insider on ulsterman has it right. people have given up.
    the people who fought a few years ago shrug and say what can we do about it.
    its very sad.

    Benghazi Testimony – “Complete Bullsh-t”
    by Ulsterman on January 23, 2013 with 3 Comments in News

    After repeated requests for feedback, a former longtime D.C. political operative gives this rather brief and too the point assessment of Hillary Clinton’s testimony today before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee regarding the Benghazi Massacre that led to the deaths of four Americans, including the first U.S. Ambassador to be killed in the line of duty in over 30 years.

    “And they’re working it up to keep it going after ’16. A longer term shakedown. Breaking the whole country right over the wheel. Community organizing on a global scale.” -White House Insider

    WHI: What I think about Hillary’s show this morning? All bullsh-t. Every single second of it. Want to know something the media isn’t telling you? That neither the Republicans, the White House, or Hillary’s people are telling you?
    EVERY F-CKING QUESTION WAS AGREED TO BEFOREHAND. Hillary had notes for every question. Watch her look down every time a question is asked. She sucks at hiding it. That’s the tell. They negotiated the terms of the questioning weeks ago. She was prepared. There is no real investigation by the Senate. There is no real search for justice here. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Complete bullsh-t.

    the money quote: If people still care enough in this country about what is happening it’s going to be up to all of them to set things right again. Don’t count on Republicans. Sure as hell don’t count on any of these Democrats. Sure as hell don’t count on used up old f-cks like me. Start local and work out from there. That takes real work. Hard work and that’s what they are counting on. Most people are way too lazy and uninformed to handle that. So in the end, not a damn thing changes. Same old corruption but taken to a whole other level.

    as much as I loved Hill I think she is covering for zero. the big question is why.
    one small statement from her and zero wouldnt still be president… either during the election or now while she has the spotlight.

  28. The ‘Worst tragedy since 9-11″…..what is he smoking? How many people were killed that day in Libya? How many people were just killed at the school a month ago? How many American’s were just killed as hostages? How many other American’s have been killed since 9-11?
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    Worst day since the last time an ambassador was killed by muslim extremists who we tell the American People we are fighting, while secretly schlepping arms to. You would think they were drug cartels to be the beneficiaries of the dimocrat party’s largesse.

  29. Notice how, with both fast and furious, and the shipping of arms to al Quaeda in Lybia, both of which eventuated in American deaths, big media has been absolutely silent. The failure to report, when there is a duty to report, which is the entire justification for the broad plenary protection they are accorded under the first amendment is a cover-up writ large, the entire motive for which is to protect the jackass they worship. If that is not a cover-up then the English language has lost all meaning/

  30. This is what I want to know.

    1 – Who first developed the amateur video as protest impetus meme?
    2 – Who suggested it be used as explanation for the Benghazzi assault?
    3 – When was the video meme suggested?
    4 – When was the decision made to use it as a default explanation?
    5 – Why, when the explanation was clearly an absurd diversion, was it used to explain the assault for more than two weeks?
    6 – Why was Rice chosen to go on the Sunday talk shows?
    7 – Why has it taken 4 months for HRC to testify, even with the one month of indisposition because of health?

    We are getting none of the answers to those questions.

    It’s as if the entire sordid episode never occurred.

    I refuse to let anyone rewrite history.

  31. Sorry but HRC’s remarks that it was funding cuts which causedd some of the problems at Benghazzi does not pass the smell test.

  32. Finally some real questions.

    Ileana Ros Leighton of Florida asks why HRC was not interviewed, why she never spoke up about the false video narrative.

  33. The republican reps are like eunuchs in a whorehouse…it’s amazing they retained control of the House. They are either stupid, ignorant or could care less .(probably a combination of all 3).

  34. Sunday talk show story changes.

    Now HRC says she didn’t go on instead of Rice because she has better things to do on Sunday and it’s not her favorite thing to do.

    Joe Wilson question.

    :facepalm:

  35. The republican reps are like eunuchs in a whorehouse…it’s amazing they retained control of the House. They are either stupid, ignorant or could care less .
    ~~~

    I don’t know where you are getting that from. From what I can see, it’s the republicans who are at least trying to ask the relevant questions. The dems are just speechifying and slobbering over Hillary and telling her how wonderful she is. You may agree with those sentiments, but they are NOT the reason for this hearing!

  36. Sorry but HRC’s remarks that it was funding cuts which causedd some of the problems at Benghazzi does not pass the smell test.
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    You are right. That explanation does not help her.If you are gonna stick with that, better explain the exact cause and effect. Otherwise, as you say, it sounds false.

  37. WBBOEI,

    It’s the dims who are trying to turn a serious hearing about the murder of 4 Americans into an HRC going away party.

    Tasteless, inappropriate and obviously partisan.

    Overall a disgusting display.

    This is not the time to tout her work on LGBT and gender issues.

  38. Hillary Clinton testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about the terrorist attack in Benghazi. Speaking on the circumstances that led to the deaths of four Americans, she asked, “What difference, at this point, does it make?“
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    Who is advising her to say this kind of crap? Jesus Christ. Can you imagine what the other side will do with this?

    Do the dims count so lightly the death of their own ambassador, and three others?

    What difference does Pearl Harbor make? What difference Corrigdore? What difference Aushwitz. Just artifacts of history.

    If this does not make a difference, then praytell what does.

    And don’t tell me what we learned from this so it does not happen in the future.

    It will happen in the future, because there is no accounability.

  39. Now HRC says she didn’t go on instead of Rice because she has better things to do on Sunday and it’s not her favorite thing to do.
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    Jesus Christ.

  40. Hillary needs some serious time off to get her head on straight. This is not the way you answer questions. It reaks of arrogance and condescension toward the American People. Forget about the fact that we have jerks asking the questions, the questions are serious and deserve serious answers.

  41. This is like this fucking Biden. He sits there and laughs throughout the debate about the economic future of the United States. The dims are behaving as if they they believe in the right of kings. This is bad stuff. This was an opportunity where I had hoped that Hillary had demonstrated her mastery of the subject matter, and presented a sympathic view. Neither happened.

  42. BASIL99
    January 23rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    Wow! Want to see a real reporter’s list of Benghazzi questions? Check Sheryl Attkisson’s list at Twitchy.

    (via HA)
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    the last real investigative reporter.

  43. This is not the time to tout her work on LGBT and gender issues.
    ————————
    Irrelevant to this discussion.

  44. wbboei,

    Here are a couple of direct quotes.

    ” The fact is we have four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or because some guys were out for a walk one night and decided to kill some Americans. At this point what difference does it make?”

    In response to Senator Johnson “From my perspective it is less important today (looking back) as to why these militants decided they did it, than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what happened in between.”

    Sounds a lot like Pooplosi’s “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it” strategy.

  45. That’s all the dims are commenting about, her record as SOS. Bemoaning the fact she’s being forced by the other side to answer some inconsequential and pointless questions about 4 dead Americans.

    There is a time to recognize her service to the country but this is not it.

    But the dims have circled the weapons, deployed their strategy, extricated the pos and are anxiously anticipating the demise of the Benghazzi probe.

    And that’s what will happen after today.

    What a disgrace.

  46. Since Secretary Clinton does not seem to have enough sense any longer to be ashamed of herself, I’ll do it for her. I am ashamed that such a flip, double talking schmoozer has been the SOS and has chosen to present herself in this manner before the US Congress and the people of the United States. In recognition of her prior good works I will wish her good health and a happy retirement.

  47. A jerk that was going, full guns blazing at Hillary.

    Many of you would probably think he was doing a good job.

  48. Now she says she didn’t blame the Libya attack on the video. She blamed it for the other worldwide protests.

    Unfortunately there is taped evidence she did blame the video for Benghazzi.

    Now the dims are running out the clock. They know she’s leaving at 5. Question asking for her advice.

    Give me a friggin break. The dim HR members should be ashamed of themselves for not doing the work of the American people and sticking to the reason for the hearing..

  49. Unfortunately there is taped evidence she did blame the video for Benghazzi.
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    And there is that comment she made to the father of the dead SEAL—we will get the video maker, which meant the video was the cause in fact of the attack which killed his son. My point on that one was she should have said nothing, other than offer her apologies and condolances.

  50. Truth without credibility is meaningless.

    Rep. Brooks, Alabama.
    Rice said Benghazzi was a spontaneous reaction to Cairo, a copycat protest in reaction to the video. Is Rice’s statement factually accurate?

    HRC – I don’t know. That is not the weight of the evidence. Won’t know until FBI finishes investigating.

    Rep Brooks: Was it prompted by an anti-Muslim video true?

    HRC – I don’t know.

    Brooks: September 16 Libyan PM said idea of a video causing the attack is preposterous.We know he told the truth. It forces us to wonder if Liby Intelligence better or leaders more candid. What evidence was so compelling to force WH to force Rice to make these statements.

    HRC – I was not involved in Talking Points process.

    Brooks: If you don’t know who would know?

    HRC – the intelligence committee.

  51. wbboei,

    Agree.

    Now dims are saying they hope they get to serve with her in the future. Jeezus! Can they be any more blatant?

  52. Here are a couple of direct quotes.

    ” The fact is we have four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or because some guys were out for a walk one night and decided to kill some Americans. At this point what difference does it make?”
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    Very bad. She tried to obfuscate the issue. Poorly handled. Why? Because the way the public mind works that clever parsing of words get reduced to what difference does it make that we have four dead Americans/

  53. Now dims are saying they hope they get to serve with her in the future. Jeezus! Can they be any more blatant?
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    Translation: party over country.

  54. Shadowfax
    January 23rd, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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    Shadow, he is not relevant here. It is the evasive answers she is giving and the arrogance that is coming across that are the problem. Maybe Jb has a different take on this. What I will tell you for sure however, is this is not the kind of a performance that bodes well for 2016. Not at all.

  55. We are watching a Who’s on First doublecross of the American People and at this point they are all in cahoots from the pos to Rice to HRC. Much as it pains me to say that it is the truth.

  56. Mormaer
    January 23rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
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    Very well said.

    What I saw, or thought I saw in 2008 was a candidate who was competent and bi-partisan and willing to take on the tough issues. As I said before, I did not watch it, but in listening to the reactions of those who did, none of those qualities of character were on display today. I do not know what happened here.

  57. Wbb
    I differ with you, Basil and Moramer on how you see Hillary’s testimony.

    As angry as all of you are, I feel just as angry at the attacks of some reps and some posters.

    All of you thought Hillary was a coward, that she was a liar and that she was pretending to be ill.
    Now you continue to think she stinks…no surprise here that you all are still done with her.

  58. Fuck this crap about I have a meeting at the White House so I must leave by 5. If you are a responsible public official, you stay until the questions–at least the legitimate ones are asked and answered.

  59. Mormaer
    January 23rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
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    It is tough to be objective. It is not for everyone. I understand where you are coming from. A couple years ago, it was hard for me to do it. Now I really don’t give a damned. It is the country I am worried about. I wish for her sake she would have presented herself as a sympathetic witness, helping the responsible members of congress do their job of oversight. Instead, we got what we got. I wish it had been different.

  60. wbboei,

    Spot on. Here’s a sampling of headlines about the hearing.

    ‘What Difference Does It Make!?’

    Hilllary on Libya: ‘What Difference Does It Make?’

    White House Says It Agrees With Hillary Clinton When She Said “It Doesn’t Make A Difference” Who Killed 4 Americans In Benghazi…

    Clinton Shouts: ‘What Difference Would It Make?

  61. Shadowfax,

    You are right that I think she has gone over to the dark side. I can arrive at no other conclusion. Her support for the pos through the Bengahazzi fiasco was the last straw for me. That and BC’s enthusiastic stumping for him.

    Her demeanor today and her air of being above the fray, of accepting the accolades of dims when the true purpose for her presence was to shed light on September 11 instead of further obfuscating the truth was, frankly, sleazy.

    She has stooped to the pos’s level. Many of us worried about that when she took the SOS position. Unfortunately if you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas and I am afraid that is what has happened.

    She did not make the slightest effort today to get to the truth about Benghazzi. I do not take that lightly.

    Maybe we’ll find out she was blackmailed into this testimony.

    I don’t know. I do know her election debt was paid off last week.

  62. Shadowfax
    January 23rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
    ——————————
    I would not say I am angry at Hillary. I am disappointed. I reserve my anger for her boss.

  63. sirmks,

    Just checked the WHI.

    Disgustint isn’t it?

    “Want to know something the media isn’t telling you? That neither the Republicans, the White House, or Hillary’s people are telling you?
    EVERY F-CKING QUESTION WAS AGREED TO BEFOREHAND. Hillary had notes for every question. Watch her look down every time a question is asked. She sucks at hiding it. That’s the tell. They negotiated the terms of the questioning weeks ago. She was prepared. There is no real investigation by the Senate. There is no real search for justice here. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Complete bullsh-t.”

    “. . .she is covering for zero. the big question is why. One small statement from her and zero wouldnt still be president… either during the election or now while she has the spotlight.”

  64. wbb

    I am angry at Hillary, she is the one testifing, she is the one we believed to be above all this and the one we supported with our money, time and hearts.

    The fool in the WH? Never bought the pony show.

  65. Wbb
    I would not say I am angry at Hillary. I am disappointed. I reserve my anger for her boss.

    ——
    I can appreciate your feelings.

  66. BASIL99
    January 23rd, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    —————————–
    Then it is not testimony. It is simply an exchange of talking points. Which is to say a farce.

  67. Basil,

    You and I are 180 degrees apart on Hillary these days, I do not see Hillary as not caring about the death of her people and 3 that tried to help.

    I don’t know if she is blackmailed, but I do not doubt there is some sort of threat behind it. She also said many of the questions would be answered in writing.

    Like I said, I do respect you as a person, but I certainly do not agree with your perspective.

  68. It’s been always amazing to me how people critizes Hillary from the Left, Right, her supporters,etc. They give excuses for everyone but Hillary. I think she did great, the Republicans wanted her head and it was so obvious and she responded with knowledge, grace and patience , now the Rep are only talking about she answer feisty but she never lost her composure, they always take her words as is convenient for them. Hillary wasn’t arrogant as someone said here, she could have acted as the Justice Dep stonewalling the info and BO could have implemented an Executive Order and stop everything.As she said , she could have classified the info and just say goodbye but that’s not her way. Those who doesn’t want to believe in her never will, and those who trust on her always will be at her side .She was eloquent and forthcoming as much as the circumstances let her. I’ m not disappointed, I’m proud of her.

  69. Hillary is not being blackmailed. She made a decision some time ago, 2008 I would say and we just didn’t believe her at the time, but I saw a look in her eye, and I believed her.

  70. The Chairman of the House Committee, Royce, is on Bret Baier’s show. He thinks the committee members asked good questions. We must have missed that.

    From what we heard today, which was both hearings, not one single new item or new bit of information was elicited. Instead of focusing on a few questions and getting answers we got long winded speeches posing as questions by Ros-Lehtinen, and scatter-shot whining about this or that event.

    Nowhere to be seen was a coherent question list from the Republicans who promised so much and whined so much that this hearing was needed. If the Republicans had been serious they would have focused, IN A COORDINATED WAY, on a series of questions that would put forward a narrative of what they believe happened.

    The only two people, both senators, who asked smart questions happened to be the tiresome Rand Paul and Ron Johnson. Unfortunately for them the fact that their fellow Republicans cast them adrift made them come off as kooks.

    Hillary’s strongest answer has been the one as to why no one has been fired. Hillary said that the law does not allow it. This is either true (and incredibly stupid to have laws that protect these incompetents) or a lie. Unfortunately even on such a simple matter we still do not know because Republicans did not acknowledge the truth of what Hillary said or challenge her on a supposed lie.

    Further if Hillary did lie on this simple matter and the Republicans did not assault her on it then they are beyond stupid because that would have been a lynchpin moment for them opening up new lines of attack. In addition, if Hillary is correct, then the Republicans should have acknowledged that fact so they could concentrate public opinion and their questions on another line of questions (again, from the beginning we’ve written the key point is that this happened on September 11).

    The Republicans had to winnow down the questions because if Hillary is correct this firing issue is a distraction that keeps the unknowing from speculating further. As to the nonsense that all the questions were pre-approved that is hogwash (unless you believe that Rand Paul and Ron Johnson were in on the game. The real answer is what we wrote – the Republicans did not want to take on the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling or Hillary).

  71. In response to Senator Johnson “From my perspective it is less important today …”
    ————————————–
    I don’t pretend to know what is in HRC’s thoughts, but I see her mentally finishing her testimony above with: “because the boob managed to crawl back into the oval office for a second term.”

    That ties in with a sort of personal epiphany I experienced several days ago – that she, Bill and Chelsea devoted huge portions of their lives (the entire 2008 primary season), then went with their plan B when Oh ascended for the 2st term. The two did what they thought they had to do to survive personally – much to the chagrin at times of myself as well as many others here – but ultimately she held out hope that Rice fiasco would trip him up – prevent the re-ascension. Since it did not, what difference does it make now?

  72. FWIW,

    I have been wary of the Benghazzi storyline from the beginning. The explanation given initially by the pos, HRC, Rice and others that the assault in Libya was the result of an amateur anti-Mohammed video was bunk and I, along with many others at this site, were disappointed when HRC expected the American public to accept that fairy tale way back in September 2012.

    But I gave her the benefit of the doubt and resolved not to reach a final conclusion until she had the chance to say her piece. She did that today.

    Now I have arrived at my analysis of the situation and her handling of it and my sense is she lied to protect the pos.

    By doing so she let the American people down.

    Is she more at fault than the pos? No.

    Is it likely she came up with the video idea? I’d say no.

    Was she complicit in continuing the lie? I’d say yes.

    This closes a chapter on HRC for me. I do not hate her, or despise her or wish her ill.

    I think she has done a hell of a lot of good in this country and it’s unfortunate she allied herself with the biggest fraud in the history of the republic.

    That was her decision, for whatever reason.

    I can never accept or respect the pos and those who surround and enable him.

    I wish her the best and hope she resigns from politics and enjoys the rest of her life. She has earned a good long time of peace and quiet.

    But her performance today makes it impossible for me to support her for future public office
    unless some bombshell info leaks out about her being forced to lie for him.

    I realize this site is dedicated to campaigning for HRC and I guess I really should step into the shadows now as today proved to me I can’t be part of that process.

  73. The news that really matters: 🙂

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267039/Levi-Johnston-Report-claims-bit-kicked-slapped-wife-Sunny-Oglesby.html

    Bristol Palin’s former beau Levi Johnston was pummeled and ‘nearly stabbed’ by his new wife during a boozy New Year’s Eve attack, a shocking new report claims.

    Johnston, 22, of Wasilla, Alaska, married Sunny Oglesby – the mother of his second child – in October months after she became pregnant with a girl, whom the couple named Breeze Beretta after the Italian firearm.

    But their wedded bliss may have taken a back seat on New Year’s Eve, when Sunny allegedly attacked Johnston in front of horrified family members.

    A source, speaking to The National Enquirer, claimed that Johnston’s new bride had a few too many martinis and ‘went completely insane.’

    The witness told the magazine: ‘She started biting, kicking and slapping him. Then she grabbed a knife and tried to stab him!’

    The attack came after the couple enjoyed a romantic dinner and went to see New Year’s fireworks with friends and family before returning home, according to the Enquirer.

    But there, a remark from Johnston sent her flying into a rage, the source said, and sent her ‘lunging’ at the former Playgirl cover boy and ‘calling him all kinds of names.’

    ‘She had two martinis and then she just snapped, ranting and raving about Levi not thinking she was pretty enough.’

    The source added: ‘He was too stunned to defend himself and curled up in a fetal position while Sunny worked him over.’

    But the dispute took a harrowing turn when she reportedly grabbed the knife.

    ‘Thank God Sunny’s mother and brother pulled it away from her as Levi ran off in terror. Finally, Levi’s father Keith was able to restrain her.’

    The Enquirer reported that the police were dispatched to the home, but no charges were filed and Sunny ‘was already sleeping it off.’ [snip]

    In 2011, Johnston announced he would run for mayor of Wasilla, the position held by Sarah Palin before she became the state’s governor.

    Six weeks before the election, however, he abandoned the campaign.

    Last month, market research firm E-Poll listed Johnston ninth among the top 10 most overexposed celebrities, just ahead of Khloe Kardashian.

  74. admin
    The question and answer that perked my ears up was about the live-steam that everyone was watching as the attack occurred.

    Hillary said there was no live stream, something about a phone or radio conversation was going on…and Hillary first talked to Barry on 9-11 that evening.

    Did you catch any of this?

  75. Senate hearing being re-run on CSPAN right now…House hearing being re-run right after it for those who didn’t get to see because you were working to pay for these imbeciles to conduct what seems to be such a farce.

  76. Shadowfax, the exchange you noted was filled with possibility but the dunce Republicans had not a clue to follow-up.

    Hillary made it clear that there was no live video as everyone has been talking about (true or false? Republicans don’t have a clue to either admit it is true thereby clearing the decks for the worrisome facts or to puncture that as a lie). Hillary stated that there was some continuous phone contact and that there seems to be some video that was viewed weeks later (again, true or false? Republicans don’t have a clue to at least clear that one up either).

    Then the very great question from the congressman asking when Hillary spoke with Obama? Republicans did not have the wits to pursue the answer which according to Hillary is that she spoke to Obama later that night. If the Republicans had wits they would have noted that Obama was asleep or getting ready to travel and thereby too busy to care about 4 dead American diplomats.

  77. Shadofax – I sure did catch that. Hillary is claiming that she had no knowledge about Obama’s knowledge about what happened in Benghazi? How disappointing.

    It was all so vanilla.

  78. Hannity and Rand are doing their spin on the hearings. Rand says that Sharon Lamb (or what ever her name was) said there was a live stream of the attack….

    Why didn’t Republicans choke on their gum the minute Hillary said there was no live stream of the attack….this is the cornerstone of why the Republicans thought the State Dept, the WH and the Dept of defense were doing nothing to help when they could see what was going on as it happened. Isn’t this where the spin started?

    Was this like a game of telephone, where there is a pile up based on the first derailment of the truth….or if Hillary was telling a big lie to congress today, why didn’t someone, or even Rand on Hannity a couple of minutes question this live stream?

    If Hillary was telling the truth, then why doesn’t ANY one question this in Congress or on Fox?

  79. General Mattis. I posted about him here must be a couple years ago. He is very salty and Old Marine Corps—a devil dog at Bellau Woods. I said at the time he would not last. He was too tough, too honest, and too much of a marine to swallow the Obamashit from the likes of Tom O’Donolin who is head of national security and leaks sensitive security information to his buddies at NYT who publish it and get our operatives killed because he thinks it will help Obama politically. Mattis is not about to get his people killed to prop up Obama. O’Donolin is a total and complete whore. Pat Caddell named him as the leaker in chief, and Pat is an honest Democrat of the old kind.

  80. Bristol Palin’s former beau Levi Johnston was pummeled and ‘nearly stabbed’ by his new wife during a boozy New Year’s Eve attack, a shocking new report claims.

  81. The biggest problem I have with all this is she took responsibility where she did not have to. The truth of the matter is what I have been saying all along after I read the article posted by pm 317—this was a failed CIA operation. My sense is that both sides of the aisle know this, and that is why they politicked off it rather than digging to find the truth. We can ill afford to admit what we are really up to, but why Hillary should take the fall for this is a mystery to me.

  82. Nor does it sit well. There must be more to it. Remember Ed Klein’s report that right after it happened she and Bill convened a meeting of political operatives–we know who they are, and lawyers to advise how to handle this. And shortly thereafter there was an affirmation that she knew about the threat and passed it up the chain of command. I feel like Lanny Davis at the RGBC hearing arguing a prior point not realizing a deal had been made already.

  83. Hey wbboei – Thanks for the Ink Spots. Haven’t heard their marvelous voices for ages. A nice change of pace from the fractious events that occupy these days.

  84. Wbb

    I could be out in left field on this, but I think when Hillary took ‘responsibility’ for what happend during the attack, she didn’t intend to take the blame for every department nor the administration, she meant she was responsible for any errors in the State Dept, and for the death of her employee, and those that tried to help him. To me, as a woman this makes sense on an emotional level. The fact that no one else in the US stepped up to take any responsibility, she sood alone, and to me, right or wrong, that takes courage.

    Did Hillary get hung out to dry by Obama, the CIA, the Defence Dept….you bettcha…but I’m sure she knew they would hide behind her pantsuit.

  85. Interesting comment by Larry–that Paul is a mench and Rubio is a pretty boy without much substance. Paul may be the real deal, but his support is regional and the Washington DC establishment qua press will vilify him, not because he is bad, but because he represents a threat to their gravy train. Sarah and Hillary took the same tack–there to work for the American people not the DC establishment, and I admired both of them for that. I think Hillary has changed, and if you doubt it, just look at how many members of the establishment who supported Obama over her, are now begging her to run. I think she has decided not to, and her less than boffo performance today suggests as much. Taking a leaf from the Soros book, there is more global power to be derived from running a major foundation with roots in every country than it being president of the united states. In attempting to elevate himself at the expense of the nation, Obam has diminished both our stature and our importance in the world. He has undermined the rule of law here, and throughout the world. He has lit the fuse for future conflicts.

  86. I could be out in left field on this, but I think when Hillary took ‘responsibility’ for what happend during the attack, she didn’t intend to take the blame for every department nor the administration, she meant she was responsible for any errors in the State Dept, and for the death of her employee, and those that tried to help him.
    ——————–
    Then she needed to be much more careful and specific on what she said. As it stands, it is a total exhoneration of Obama, and we know he is the source of the problem. A fish rots from the head down–and so does a country. Meanwhile cudas to Sharlyl Atkisson, the last of the great investigative reporters. Big media is now officially, an anachronism/

  87. I take back what I said above about Tom O’Donolin. I was wrong to call him a “complete whore”. Mea culpa.

    What Tom O’Donolin is is a traitor to this nation. He is in the same class as Benedict Arnold, the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss. A traitor as head of National Security? No good can come of it.

  88. Then she needed to be much more careful and specific on what she said. As it stands, it is a total exhoneration of Obama, and we know he is the source of the problem.

    —-
    I agree, except for it being a total exhoneration for Obama….the only way that happens is if the Republicans decide that the buck stops at Hillary, (to try and ruin her chances in 2016), or they continue to investigate everyone else involved, leading to the Commander in Chief, and where is the paperwork where he claimed to give orders to his commanders to assist in stopping the attack, and what about the “stand down” orders given to the Marines that were killed saving lives.

    These all lead directly to Barry….

  89. where is the paperwork where he claimed to give orders to his commanders to assist in stopping the attack, and what about the “stand down” orders given to the Marines that were killed saving lives
    ———————–
    Right> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLms6aX2YeY&feature=player_embedded

    Bing West is the real deal. He was Marine Force Recon. During the Viet Nam War, he trained the green berets and he spent months behind enemy lines under cover. This is the TRUTH that big media has moved heaven and earth to hide from the American People to save Obama and keep the wealth of the nation flowing into Washington DC and their corrupt pockets. Obama froze as he did on the pirates, as he did no Bin Laden, and as he did here. He is the proverbial deer in the headlights whenever there is a crisis. Pathetic. But this will never come out because we have in this country a traitor in our midst (besides Donolin) and its name is big media.

  90. Just NEED to say that I agree with you Vcal and Shadowfax!
    “I’m not disappointed, I’m proud of her.” I think she did a damn good job…

    2 1/2 hours in the morning and then another 3 hours in the afternoon…with the Repubs accusing, demeaning, and with puffed up egos, either pontificating for their 5 minutes so that she had no time to answer or asking stupid questions that were already addressed, and then demanding written answers! No one was actually listening to her, or had bothered to read the classified reports, as she had to remind them about, over and over! Their agenda wasn’t to get answers, it was to trip her up and tear her down! She was strong, confident, knowledgeable, prepared…she was Hillary! and she was as wonderful and competent as ever! There are a few posters here that would have fit in with those repubs very nicely!

    I used to stop by regularly to read admin’s pieces, and then some of the comments to get different perspectives about what was going on in Hillary’s world, but after reading today, I remember WHY I stopped. Maybe you guys will prefer ‘Big F..in Deal’ Biden!

  91. Wbb that video shows that even if Hillary heard what happened with BO and his commanders, she was not present in that meeting nor did she partake in that conversation…

  92. jeleanoro
    January 23rd, 2013 at 11:56 pm
    Just NEED to say that I agree with you Vcal and Shadowfax!
    “I’m not disappointed, I’m proud of her.” I think she did a damn good job…

    2 1/2 hours in the morning and then another 3 hours in the afternoon…with the Repubs accusing, demeaning, and with puffed up egos, either pontificating for their 5 minutes so that she had no time to answer or asking stupid questions that were already addressed, and then demanding written answers! No one was actually listening to her, or had bothered to read the classified reports, as she had to remind them about, over and over! Their agenda wasn’t to get answers, it was to trip her up and tear her down! She was strong, confident, knowledgeable, prepared…she was Hillary! and she was as wonderful and competent as ever! There are a few posters here that would have fit in with those repubs very nicely!

    ——-
    I couldn’t agree more and it’s nice you came back long enough to make this comment.

  93. Since I didn’t see all of either hearing, did Trey Goudy ask Hillary questions? If so, was he tough but still a respectful to Hillary?

  94. Vcal
    January 23rd, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    It’s been always amazing to me how people critizes Hillary from the Left, Right, her supporters,etc. They give excuses for everyone but Hillary. I think she did great, the Republicans wanted her head and it was so obvious and she responded with knowledge, grace and patience , now the Rep are only talking about she answer feisty but she never lost her composure, they always take her words as is convenient for them. Hillary wasn’t arrogant as someone said here, she could have acted as the Justice Dep stonewalling the info and BO could have implemented an Executive Order and stop everything.As she said , she could have classified the info and just say goodbye but that’s not her way. Those who doesn’t want to believe in her never will, and those who trust on her always will be at her side .She was eloquent and forthcoming as much as the circumstances let her. I’ m not disappointed, I’m proud of her.

    _____________

    I agree Vcal. The negativity is tiresome. Hillary remains the best candidate for president in the country. She cannot be our mother, sister, and best friend, who will fulfill all our hopes and dreams. She cannot operate in the international arena and say exactly what she would like to say. No one can. She functions in the real world with real conflict, dealing with real cutthroat pols who are all too ready to twist and spin every word to suit their purposes. The rules of the game were established long before she got to DC. Anyone in her position must find a way to operate within the system, hopefully while taking steps to improve it. Those who demand that the candidates they support be as pure as the driven snow, while having the strength and the smarts to get elected and/or hold a position of power are expecting the impossible.

    It blows my dress up that some who are now so filled with disappointment about Hillary are able to find perfection in many Republican candidates, politicians, and media reps. Talk about your disappointment, just give your favorite conservatives time, and you’ll see a whole new level of disappointment.

    And, while you’re at it, consider whether you would be so disappointed if Hillary were a man. I doubt it.

  95. Dear Shadowfax,

    I just finished watching the reruns of both hearings on C-SPAN and here is what I take away:

    1. I don’t know how she held up through all those questions/bombasts/fawning that took place instead of a real discussion on the Bengazi issue.

    2. She had a beautiful ring on her left hand, but it wasn’t her wedding ring….hmmmm.

    3. She was a good Democrat and took the fall for the Obama administration.

    4. She didn’t do what I had hoped…just told the truth, short and sweet.

    5. She said they didn’t have video feed of the attack. I don’t understand that.

    But mostly what I got out of this is that she played “watergirl” for the administration being the loyal Dem that she is. I don’t think she is going to run in 2016. The Dems and their media mouthpieces are already starting to beat the drum for Biden. I think all the early “We want Hillary in 2016” is just another cover for when the powers that be select Biden. You know the routine, “Hey we backed her, but the people(ie: ACORN) wanted Biden.”

    I will always admire her and don’t regret backing her in 2008 one bit. I am not sure after today’s hearings I could back her again.

    But I doubt I will have to face that choice in 2016. Biden is being positioned for that for being such a “good boy” for Obama.

    I will not see Hillary as POTUS and I doubt I will see a woman as POTUS in my lifetime.

  96. One last thing, Shadow, I hope like hell I get proven wrong on my entire last post. Not convinced I will be.

  97. When Hoffa Sr was convicted and was sent to Lewisburg Federal Center of Incarceration, he left his lieutant Frank Fitzsimmons in charge of the Teamsters until he returned. He reckoned that Fitzsimmons was too stupid, and when he (Hoffa) was back in circulation, everyone would welcome him back. When he did come back they did welcome him back and gave him a Last Supper at one of my old haunts Machus Red Fox. He got in an autombile with members of LCN (La Costa Nostra) and Jimmy was never heard from again. What Hoffa failed to realize was that even though Fitz was dumb as a post, he was ambitious, and he liked to sit in the big chair at the Marble Palace at 25 Louisian Avenue, and stare at the capital building. More to the point however, the Mafia grew comfortable with him because he was a shill for their interests and was willing to let them rob the Central States Pension Fund, in order to build casinos in Las Vegas. Biden has much in common with Fitz–ambitious, dumb as a post, and willing to let the bad guys loot the country. That is the essence of who and what Joe Biden is.

  98. I really am amazed. The do nothing congress, who has not done the most basic of things in four years, like pass a budget thinks HRC should be fired. It is Congress who should be fired. When she got up and shouted at them, I was right there with her. I want to go and yell at congress also.

    How dare they rake her over the coals. She made major decisions everyday, and took complete responsibility for those decisions, good or bad. All Congress does is run for re-election.

  99. I picked up a copy of Spoiled Rotten for a lady who is a former professor of political science at one of the premier east coast universities and helping me with a program I am working on to improve the operation of local governments. I highly recommend this book. The author, Jay Cost, argues convincingly that the Democratic Party has succumbed to what he calls clientism—complaining loudly about inequality in society while enacting policies which advance only the interests of its contributor, and not the general welfare. Michael Barone calls it a searing critique, and one to which thoughtful Democrats may want to pay heed. Cost traces the party’s descent from high principle to debauchery, from being the engine of popular reform, to the slavish servant of grasping special interests as another reviewer commmentd. Doug Schoen calls it a must read for anyone who wants to understand 2012 etc.

  100. The do nothing congress, who has not done the most basic of things in four years
    ———————–
    Reid is the majority leader. His strategy has been to do exactly that. To do nothing, and blame the other party. And his counterpart, McConnell, is a standing joke. There is no leadership. In fact they hate eachother. And I hate both of them.

  101. Somebody asked me tonight what do I think of Obama. I asked them to be more specific and they were puzzled. So I told him, if you are asking me about his character I think he is a sociopath, and if you want to do what that is then look it up as Casey Stengel would say. If you are asking me about his job performance, I think he is a failure. If you are asking me about his truth and veracity, I think he is a pathological liar. Does that answer your question.

  102. NewMexicoFan
    January 24th, 2013 at 1:40 am
    I really am amazed. The do nothing congress, who has not done the most basic of things in four years, like pass a budget thinks HRC should be fired. It is Congress who should be fired. When she got up and shouted at them, I was right there with her. I want to go and yell at congress also.

    How dare they rake her over the coals. She made major decisions everyday, and took complete responsibility for those decisions, good or bad. All Congress does is run for re-election.
    ____________________________________________________

    Hillary had one bad day that unfortunately cost the lives of 4 American citizens. I have to say it was her bad day because she said she is responsible. Frankly, I think it just another bad day with this adminstration. I just wish she had been more forthright and less political-speak in her answers.

    Congress has 365 bad days that destroy the lives of millions.

  103. wbboei
    January 24th, 2013 at 1:43 am

    I picked up a copy of Spoiled Rotten for a lady who is a former professor of political science at one of the premier east coast universities and helping me with a program I am working on to improve the operation of local governments. I highly recommend this book. The author, Jay Cost, argues convincingly that the Democratic Party has succumbed to what he calls clientism—complaining loudly about inequality in society while enacting policies which advance only the interests of its contributor, and not the general welfare. (snip)
    _______________

    It was clear in 2008, that the Dem Party’s concern for “inequality in society”, if it existed at all, did not extend to women. It’s amazing how little outrage about the disregard for women’s rights has been forthcoming from the liberal elite. The conservatives are open about their antipathy toward women’s rights. The liberals pretend to support women while ignoring real discrimination within the Dim party, itself.

    Like you said, wbb. I hate them both.

  104. VotingHillary

    We each have to follow our own beliefs and if you are now convinced that Hillary is someone you no longer support, I doubt anyone can change your mind or prove to you that your post was inaccurate.

    Why do I think this…because the people that have also changed their mind about Hillary since this past election…still feel the same way no matter what everyone says that still support Hillary.

    Personally, I would really be depressed if I thought Hillary wasn’t worth supporting any longer.

  105. Admin is right about the Republicans. Dunces. She should not be their target. The thrust of their questions should have been directed at Obama. They should have asked follow-up question to pin down what did he know and when did he know it. There is no artistry, no finesse, no savoire fare to these people. Worse, no strategy. Dunces. Wrong target.

  106. It was clear in 2008, that the Dem Party’s concern for “inequality in society”, if it existed at all, did not extend to women
    ——————-
    Exactly. Howard Dean did nothing to deter the misogny of Matthews toward Hillary. At one point, I had a list of 100 quotes. They should have castrated that little abino bastard and shoved his missing member down his thoat measure for measure, just to shut him up. Silence in his courtroom would be a welcome change. It is never too late for that. And there were pathetic assholes at WashPo and NYT who deserve simliar decapitation from the neck down. You’ll diconnect him? I’ll vivisect him. You’ll open wide him? I’ll subdivide him, etc:

    SIR LIONEL
    (spoken)
    Your majesty, let me tilt with him and smite him!
    Don’t refuse me so abruptly, I implore!
    Oh, give me the opportunity to fight him
    And Gaul will be divided once more!

    GUENEVERE
    You’ll bash and thrash him?

    SIR LIONEL
    I’ll smash and mash him.

    GUENEVERE
    You’ll give him trouble?

    SIR LIONEL
    He will be rubble.

    GUENEVERE
    A mighty whack?

    SIR LIONEL
    His skull will crack.

    GUENEVERE
    Well…
    (sung)
    Then you may take me to the fair
    If you do all the things you promise
    In fact, my heart would break should you not take me to the fair
    (spoken)

    Sir Sagramore!
    (sung)
    I have some rather painful news relative to the subject who’s
    To be beside me at the next court ball
    You were the chosen one, I know, but as tradition it should go
    To the unquestioned champion in the hall
    And I’m convinced that splendid Frenchman can easily conquer one and all
    And besting all our local henchmen
    He should sit beside me at the ball

    SIR SAGRAMORE
    (spoken)
    I beg of you, ma’am, withhold your invitation.
    I swear to you this challenge will be met.
    And when I have finished up the operation,
    I’ll serve him to your highness en brochette!

    GUENEVERE
    You’ll pierce right through him?

    SIR SAGRAMORE
    I’ll barbecue him!

    GUENEVERE
    A wicked thrust?

    SIR SAGRAMORE
    ‘Twill be dust to dust!

    GUENEVERE
    >From fore to aft?

    SIR SAGRAMORE
    He’ll feel a draft!

    GUENEVERE
    Well then…
    (sung)
    You may sit by me at the ball
    If you demolish him in battle
    In fact, I know I’d cry were you not by me at the ball
    (spoken)

    Sir Dinadan!
    (sung)
    Didn’t I promise that you may guide me to London on the day
    That I go up to judge the cattle show?
    As it is quite a nasty ride there must be someone at my side
    Who’ll be defending me from beast and foe
    So when I choose whom I prefer go, I take the strongest knight I know
    And young du Lac seems strongest, ergo
    He should take me to the cattle show

    SIR DINADAN
    (spoken)
    Your Majesty can’t believe this blustering prattle-
    Let him prove it with a sword or lance instead!
    I promise you, when I’ve done this Gaul in battle
    His shoulders will be lonesome for his head!

    GUENEVERE
    You’ll disconnect him?

    SIR DINADAN
    I’ll vivisect him.

    GUENEVERE
    You’ll open-wide him?

    SIR DINADAN
    I’ll subdivide him.

    GUENEVERE
    Oh, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.
    (sung)
    Then you may guide me to the show
    If you can carry out your program
    In fact, I’d grieve inside should you not guide me to the show

    SIRS LIONEL, SAGRAMORE, DINADAN
    Milady, we shall put an end to that Galic bag of noise and nerve
    When we do all that we intend to
    He’ll be a plate of French hors d’ouvres!

    GUENEVERE
    I do applaud your noble goals
    Now let us see if you achieve them
    And if you do, then you will be the three who go to the ball, to the show
    And take me to the fair

  107. Shadowfax
    January 24th, 2013 at 1:58 am
    VotingHillary

    We each have to follow our own beliefs and if you are now convinced that Hillary is someone you no longer support, I doubt anyone can change your mind or prove to you that your post was inaccurate.

    Why do I think this…because the people that have also changed their mind about Hillary since this past election…still feel the same way no matter what everyone says that still support Hillary.

    Personally, I would really be depressed if I thought Hillary wasn’t worth supporting any longer.
    _____________________________________________________

    I am really depressed, Shadow, hence why I wrote that post directly to you and added after it I hoped I was wrong.

    Help me out here.

  108. Shadowfax January 23rd, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    “I don’t know if she is blackmailed, but I do not doubt there is some sort of threat behind it.”
    ======
    Now that the testimony is over, I hate to say “I said so”, but I’ve been saying for months that Hillary would not pass the buck to Obama and would say nothing that would undermine the presidency.

    She does not have to be blackmailed or threatened to act in such a way. It is in her character and in her concept of her job. She does not hold grudges and does not torpedo her colleagues, underlings or above all her boss, and she is not a cut-throat. And she always accepts responsibility, it’s second nature to her.

    The questions we wanted answered? Most of the questions weren’t even asked, because most of the answers lie with Panetta and Obama, who will not be called to testify, plus there is the strong possibility that national security matters were at stake and will not be disclosed.

    So Benghazi will now be swept under the rug and we might as well get on to something else, because the Republicans don’t seem to be in a mood to push any farther or higher than Hillary: The potential of her testimony was over-rated.

  109. Did Hillary get hung out to dry by Obama, the CIA, the Defence Dept….you bettcha…but I’m sure she knew they would hide behind her pantsuit.

    AMEN1111 👿

  110. Well said, jeswezey, well said, and spot on. Hillary is a Democrat in the administration of a Dem President. No matter how much we may detest O, or how little regard we have for the Dim Party, Hillary does not have the luxury of openly throwing either under the bus. Change in the party won’t come from some major, public gut-spilling. Change will come from the efforts of party affiliates, like the Clintons, working from the inside. My hope is that’s what they’re doing. However, it’s arguable that no one in the party sees the need to cleanse its soul. With the Republicans’ determination to fail, and the absence of a viable third party, where is the incentive to change (from the party’s perspective)? Shadowfax, I applaud your ongoing support for Hillary and agree with you. Wbb, I LOVE the Arthurian reference, and especially like the dialogue. lol

  111. Okay, okay, I just agreed to tell you the gist of a heated conversation among a bunch of grapes on the island of Martha’s Vineyard who urged me to relay their message to you on 44.

    We want to thank those of you who are still standing for Hillary. We read His44 mainly for ADMIN’s contributions. Some of us used to contribute to His44 but drifted away as the Hillary-bashing became justified on the pretence of fair judgment…which it most often is not and most often because the arrogant personalities screaming their judgments display a very narrow view of the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Sec of State, unmindful of the multiple layers of international diplomacy,etc etc not to mention a cynicism born of the frustrated adolescent need to believe in heroes.

    Having said that, we also want to thank the following for their remarks:
    jeswezey
    January 24th, 2013 at 2:48 am
    She does not have to be blackmailed or threatened to act in such a way. It is in her character and in her concept of her job. She does not hold grudges and does not torpedo her colleagues, underlings or above all her boss, and she is not a cut-throat. And she always accepts responsibility, it’s second nature to her.
    The questions we wanted answered? Most of the questions weren’t even asked, because most of the answers lie with Panetta and Obama, who will not be called to testify, plus there is the strong possibility that national security matters were at stake and will not be disclosed.
    =========================================
    VotingHillary
    January 24th, 2013 at 2:22 am
    We each have to follow our own beliefs and if you are now convinced that Hillary is someone you no longer support, I doubt anyone can change your mind or prove to you that your post was inaccurate.
    Why do I think this…because the people that have also changed their mind about Hillary since this past election…still feel the same way no matter what everyone says that still support Hillary.

    • NewMexicoFan
    January 24th, 2013 at 1:40 am
    I really am amazed. The do nothing congress, who has not done the most basic of things in four years, like pass a budget thinks HRC should be fired. It is Congress who should be fired. When she got up and shouted at them, I was right there with her. I want to go and yell at congress also.
    How dare they rake her over the coals. She made major decisions everyday, and took complete responsibility for those decisions, good or bad. All Congress does is run for re-election.

    • freespirit
    January 24th, 2013 at 1:10 am
    Vcal
    January 23rd, 2013 at 6:49 pm
    It’s been always amazing to me how people critizes Hillary from the Left, Right, her supporters,etc. They give excuses for everyone but Hillary. I think she did great, the Republicans wanted her head and it was so obvious and she responded with knowledge, grace and patience , now the Rep are only talking about she answer feisty but she never lost her composure, they always take her words as is convenient for them. Hillary wasn’t arrogant as someone said here, she could have acted as the Justice Dep stonewalling the info and BO could have implemented an Executive Order and stop everything.As she said , she could have classified the info and just say goodbye but that’s not her way. Those who doesn’t want to believe in her never will, and those who trust on her always will be at her side .She was eloquent and forthcoming as much as the circumstances let her. I’ m not disappointed, I’m proud of her.
    _____________
    I agree Vcal. The negativity is tiresome. Hillary remains the best candidate for president in the country. She cannot be our mother, sister, and best friend, who will fulfill all our hopes and dreams. She cannot operate in the international arena and say exactly what she would like to say. No one can. She functions in the real world with real conflict, dealing with real cutthroat pols who are all too ready to twist and spin every word to suit their purposes. The rules of the game were established long before she got to DC. Anyone in her position must find a way to operate within the system, hopefully while taking steps to improve it. Those who demand that the candidates they support be as pure as the driven snow, while having the strength and the smarts to get elected and/or hold a position of power are expecting the impossible.
    It blows my dress up that some who are now so filled with disappointment about Hillary are able to find perfection in many Republican candidates, politicians, and media reps. Talk about your disappointment, just give your favorite conservatives time, and you’ll see a whole new level of disappointment.
    And, while you’re at it, consider whether you would be so disappointed if Hillary were a man. I doubt it.

    • Shadowfax
    January 24th, 2013 at 12:27 am
    jeleanoro
    January 23rd, 2013 at 11:56 pm
    Just NEED to say that I agree with you Vcal and Shadowfax!
    “I’m not disappointed, I’m proud of her.” I think she did a damn good job…
    2 1/2 hours in the morning and then another 3 hours in the afternoon…with the Repubs accusing, demeaning, and with puffed up egos, either pontificating for their 5 minutes so that she had no time to answer or asking stupid questions that were already addressed, and then demanding written answers! No one was actually listening to her, or had bothered to read the classified reports, as she had to remind them about, over and over! Their agenda wasn’t to get answers, it was to trip her up and tear her down! She was strong, confident, knowledgeable, prepared…she was Hillary! and she was as wonderful and competent as ever! There are a few posters here that would have fit in with those repubs very nicely!
    ——-
    I couldn’t agree more and it’s nice you came back long enough to make this comment.
    ===============================================================

    We realize full well that this is a lengthy comment and make no apology for it. If it is not self-indulgent and wasteful to use up thread with lengthy repetitious rages and lengthy dialogue from fiction and poetry we can all read for ourselves if referenced, then it is not wasteful to have repeated the comments we view as most in keeping with the this pro-Hillary site. Thanks to those we have quoted and if we failed to include anyone who is still standing with Hillary, please forgive and know we appreciate you very much.

  112. I just grabbed a big chunk of Clinton stuff from WashTimes:
    So how’d she do? A brief review of headlines based on Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s lengthy appearance before the U.S. Senate regarding the Benghazi terrorist attack:
    “Hillary on the hotseat” (Daily Beast)
    “Hillary handles hardball.” (Fox News)
    “Hillary Clinton’s fiery moment” (ABC News)
    “Hillary Clinton storms the Hill (The Washington Post)
    “Hillary the Invincible” (National Journal)
    “Run, Hillary, run” (The Huffington Post)

    Jay Carney on Wednesday refused to speculate on a 2016 presidential matchup before the aforementioned Mrs. Clinton and Vice President Joseph R. Biden. Pollsters, however, have numbers. “Of two potential Democratic successors to Barack Obama, one has a clear advantage in personal popularity: Hillary Clinton, whose favorability rating exceeds Joe Biden’s by a hefty 19 percentage points,” says ABC News analyst Greg Holyk, citing an ABC News/Washington Post poll revealing that 67 percent of Americans view Mrs. Clinton favorably and 48 percent feel the same about Mr. Biden.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/23/inside-the-beltway-the-persistence-of-eastwood/#ixzz2IvJq6hu1

  113. VotingHillary,

    I am really depressed, Shadow, hence why I wrote that post directly to you and added after it I hoped I was wrong.

    Help me out here.

    ——-
    I wondered why you wrote directly to me about your change of heart and I wish I could convince you that Hillary is still the same woman you thought she was…but you had specific things you felt Hillary needed to say in the hearing, a specific attitude you needed to see and Hillary did not do those things to convince you.

    I had different expectations from Hillary at the hearings which are very similar to what jeswezey posted at 2:48 am -above.

    Although I hoped Hillary would have dirt on Barry and spill the beans, I know that is not her nature in a situation like this, and I pointed out above why Hillary would only have second hand knowledge of what went on between Barry and his commanders…and Hillary was not at that meeting.

    I do believe Hillary did all she could when she found out about the attack and was running into roadblocks with the people that were in control of the CIA, Defense Dept and the WhiteHouse.

    If there really was no live stream of the attack, and everyone including the State Department was not watching it live on their computers, (as Hillary stated), then the basic premise by the Republican’s is wrong. People were not watching it like the Bin Landen attack…and therefore they were not aware of the details of what was happening, by whom in real time.

    I know Hillary is not the type of woman to push all the blame on others, her taking the blame for the State Dept was courageous, while she probably knew others that were at fault would not do the same.

    Blaming all this on Hillary isn’t fair nor accurate in my book. She did her best, I am sure of that. All the folks that thought Hillary was faking an illness to get out of the hearings were wrong, but none of them acknowledged that to Big Pinkers.

    My best advice to you VotingHillary, if you are really unhappy with your new decision is to give it some time. You can keep a list of future disappointments of character you see in Hillary in the future…if that list does not grow for you…then maybe you judged her too harshly and need to reconsider.

    I don’t expect Hillary to fall on her sword for Barry and erase all the good she has done all her life. She is the woman I want to be the first female president of the United States, never any doubt in my mind that she is worth fighting for.

    Madam President Hillary Rodham Clinton – 2016

  114. Lil’ grape and the other grapes on her vine –

    Big Pink is a Hillary site, all of you should post now and then if you think Hillary is worth fighting for.

    Some Big Pinkers are struggling now and any help would be appreciated.

  115. holdthemaccountable

    I just grabbed a big chunk of Clinton stuff from WashTimes…

    Loved some of those titles, will have to go read some of them…thanks for the link.

  116. NewMexicoFan

    Boxer walks out of hearing in defense of Hillary! Thanks, Barbara

    ——
    About time Boxer stood up for Hillary, she just gained back a little respect from me.

  117. As far as 2016, do any of you really believe the democratic party will support Hillary? Barry will either stay out of if she runs or support Biden or g-d forbade Michelle. If Hillary and Bill played ball for Obama for 2016, remember, Obama cannot be trusted.

  118. …my two cents…

    …primarily I agree with the perspective expressed by Shadowfax and Vcal (and Jeleanoro at 11:56 am)(and seconded by lil o grape at 11:38 am)…

    …in fairness, to me, Hillary’s weaker moments were the outburst of “what difference does it make” and her response to the Sun TV shows…good deflection but evasive…

    …beyond that, for the most part, I thought she projected strong presidential material…I cannot help but think that many of the back benchers from both parties were thinking…this woman is smart, courageous and strong and has an amazing command of the ‘big picture’ and would be a great president to work with on ALL fronts…not just Benghazi…in fact, I thought I heard the Repub from Arkansas even say he wished she had won the 2008 primary race…(admittedly I did not watch the whole thing all day)

    …can anyone imagine O trying to respond to any of this without his teleprompter…she projected command and offered solutions and ideas and tried to weave and link all the loose ends together…

    Shadowfax says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
    Wbb

    I could be out in left field on this, but I think when Hillary took ‘responsibility’ for what happend during the attack, she didn’t intend to take the blame for every department nor the administration, she meant she was responsible for any errors in the State Dept, and for the death of her employee, and those that tried to help him. To me, as a woman this makes sense on an emotional level. The fact that no one else in the US stepped up to take any responsibility, she sood alone, and to me, right or wrong, that takes courage.

    Did Hillary get hung out to dry by Obama, the CIA, the Defence Dept….you bettcha…but I’m sure she knew they would hide behind her pantsuit.

    *******************************

    wbboei…Harry Reid is completely useless and if anyone is an obstructionist it is him…
    **************

    RE: Biden running for Prez…that would give the repubs their BEST CHANCE of regaining the Presidency…the reason O won is primarily the support of the minorities and his cult personality…he lost power during the midterms because that base did not rise up when O was not front and center…that support is not going to be there for Biden, especially in his 70’s…forgetaboutit!

    …that support will be there for Hillary (and Bill)…if Hillary runs, hopefully she and Bill remain in good health and stead… then she is without any doubt the best chance the dems will have to prevail…

    *********************

    finally…for fun and another POV:

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/278947-hillary-clinton-69-rand-paul-10

    Hillary Clinton 69, Rand Paul 10
    By Brent Budowsky – 01/23/13 05:41 PM ET

    I was not planning on writing any more pundit blogs this week, but I do have a brief comment about Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-Ky.) outburst at the Benghazi hearing with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    Paul suggesting he would have fired Clinton is like the Little League coach suggesting he would have fired Babe Ruth. I expect Hillary Clinton to run for and win the presidency, and I very much hope Paul runs against her. If he does, Hillary Rodham Clinton will pulverize Rand Paul into outer space.

    Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said today that President Obama wants to annihilate the Republican party. He is half right — it is the Republican Party that is in the process of annihilating itself, with a distemper that is far outside the mainstream of American life, as Paul demonstrated at the Benghazi hearing.

    Last I heard, Clinton’s favorability rating was 69 percent, and the favorability rating of the Republicans in Congress is somewhere in the vicinity of 10 percent, on a good day.

    The kinda says it all, doesn’t it?

  119. jbstonesfan

    Will Hillary run in 2016, that is the big question.

    If she runs, I do believe she will have even more support then she did in 2008 from the Dims on the Hill. God knows the voters want her to run, 67% approval by all parties and most popular.

    Barry will be put out to pasture in 2016 and if MO is nominated and becomes pResident, I will move out of the US. I will be finished with the idiots in this country.

    I honestly don’t think MO could even get the nomination.

  120. S

    Paul suggesting he would have fired Clinton is like the Little League coach suggesting he would have fired Babe Ruth. I expect Hillary Clinton to run for and win the presidency, and I very much hope Paul runs against her. If he does, Hillary Rodham Clinton will pulverize Rand Paul into outer space.

    😆 Yup.

  121. Thanks… lil ole grape…still watching and waiting! I believe in Hillary and I’m hopeful she will run again…plenty of time to switch to hopeless feelings down the road… if necessary!

  122. VotingHillary ,
    I understand how you feel about Hillary right now.I felt confused when she was stolen the nomination and was speculation that she would be SOS.I thought she shouldn’t accept to work for O, but when I told that to my mom (a very Practicing devoted catholic ,then 68) she told me :” If Hillary really wants to serve her country, is authentic and is more focused in giving than receiving, she will accept; if she’s more a politician than a public servant, then she won’t”. Hillary accepted with grace and my mom became also a H fan.That change my perspective of H even more about her real motivation.I’ m also a devoted Catholic, my sons have attended Catholic schools all her lives, even HS; so as a person of faith I easily can understand how Hillary forgives and try to live as a religious person.We know her faith is real and her sense of service,too.I don’t consider my self a Liberal, nor a radical conservative, but in the middle.I don’t agree with all H positions and was angry and didn’t accept when she was campaigning for BO with that slogan “Hillary sent me”, I always thought “I don’t care that H sent me, I won’t do anything for the Fraud” and I voted for mcCain. As a professional I understand her because if I were in H shoes I think I’d try to do my best and as she says find common ground and advance a cause I believe in.She has stated many times that she disagrees with him in some areas but have came together for the good of the country.We are outside that bubble she lives in and have became less liberal/party than she, but she has more in common with BO than does with Reps, so she tries to advance causes aligned with her principles.She has said she believes in free market ,etc, so she’s not the radical the reps try to paint. She is married to an ex president and she knows how Washington works and she has learned to make compromises to advance causes (she learned that from the HC debacle), so she’s a Washington insider but has lived a life trying to help children and women since her teen years.She never planned to be a leader and do things to make people follow her, she just has lived her life and millions of people have followed her.If she were fake it would happen, why people in remote countries have women like the Nobel Peace laurete with Hillary’s picture in her chest to get courage and inspiration to fight for her country? Why people around the world follows her and see her as an icon to emulate?? For me, is very simple, she is a very normal woman ( like me) who has not a perfect life or character, but with a great conviction in her believes, her goals , purpose in life, that gets up every morning and try to do her best in the place where she was planted and gives all her 100% effort for the things that matter in life, a vocation, family, friends, community and does with all her heart even when not all the winds have been on her favor (Lewinsky,HC reform,2008 fraud,etc), fights, stands up, learns,grows,gets better each time and forgets who has offended her. For me that’s enough to admire and to follow, she’s more humble than I am, that’s why.

  123. Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi Hearing Proves Women Can Handle Combat

    If there was any question, ahead of the Pentagon’s decision to allow women in combat roles, about whether females could handle it, one needed only to look at the other major story of the day: Secretary of State Clinton taking apart the men in Congress who thought they could bully her into submission.

    [snip]

    You want to see how strong women can be? Watch the tapes of Clinton testifying before House and Senate committees on the Benghazi affair. She was resolute, she was frank, she was humbled, and she expressed a sincere determination to find out what really happened the day four foreign service officers—one of whom was a personal friend of hers—were killed. She talked for seven hours on a highly emotional and complex topic. When first-term Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky told Clinton that if he had been president, she would have been relieved of her duties, one could almost see the sides of Clinton’s mouth turn up slightly (since the idea of Paul having been president is kind of like the rest of us in our living rooms on Super Bowl Sunday, saying, “Well if I were the Ravens coach…”). But she kept it together, controlling her emotions for the sake of professionalism.

    And when Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin continually sought to create a cover-up scandal, suggesting that the administration deliberately misled the American public about what led to the attack, Clinton would not be bullied. Johnson bizarrely asserted that the cause of the attack, a spontaneous demonstration or a planned attack, could have been determined in hours or days, an absurd notion to anyone who has been in a war zone or such a violent and chaotic situation. Clinton raised her voice, saying, “What difference, at this point, does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from happening again.”

    In other words, she was strong and focused.

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/susan-milligan/2013/01/24/hillary-clintons-benghazi-hearing-proves-women-can-handle-combat

  124. Shadowfax
    January 24th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    ********************

    right on Shadow…Hillary strong and focused and such a wide spectrum of knowledge and the ability to explain things…all sans teleprompter…using her brain…and able to express it to others under rapid fire…

  125. • Shadowfax
    January 24th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    Lil’ grape and the other grapes on her vine –
    Big Pink is a Hillary site, all of you should post now and then if you think Hillary is worth fighting for.
    Some Big Pinkers are struggling now and any help would be appreciated.
    =====================

    Oh, I know, sweetheart! We’ve been saying, “Good ole Shadowfax standing so often alone among the snarling wolves!” and we would like to join you but we have busy workdays and tired evenings; it’s all we can do to stayed informed about what’s current; no time for writing about it. One of these days we hope to retire—God knows we’re old enough!—and then, if we’re not senile, we’ll join you, but look what great help you’ve had today from some strong-minded Hillary supporters!

    re Boxer—I dunno how I could ever trust her. During the ’08 primary, she was here on the island with Howard Dean secretly plotting against Hillary—Dean was taking our money for H and all the while working for Obummer. I can’t forget that.

  126. Thanks Lil’ grape…I appreciate your posts and hearing that Hillary has strong grapes at the Vineyard. 😉

  127. Good to know I could sign the Thank you and flip them off for donations to the DNC and Barry. Why is this ahole asking for damn donations? Not one red cent from me…I have only donated to Hillary.

    I signed it more as a stick in the eye to Barry and thugs and will also thank Hillary in my own way.

    ——-

    “Thanks for adding your name! Now that Hillary Clinton is stepping down as Secretary of State, we want to reach 100,000 strong thanking her for her tremendous service to our country.”

  128. Apple on Track for Worst Day Since ’08 TARP Rejection

    Is this some kind of karma for all the Obama supporters over there?

  129. Shadowfax,

    You are right about this:

    “I doubt anyone can change your mind”

    But way off base on this:

    “or prove to you that your post was inaccurate.”

    Why would you think you have an accurate grasp on the situation whereas those who disagree with you don’t?

    Perhaps there are thins you don’t know or haven’t considered like wishing Trey Gowdy, who was not on the Senate Committee and therefor unable to provide questions, would get to the root of the matter.

    In any case, I have said my piece and I will not be commenting further after this post. I have no desire to offend anyone and it is true my perspective now is far different than it was four years ago.

    I remain committed to finding out the truth no matter how difficult, disheartening or unpopular that might be.

    We still do not know why the video was seized upon by everyone, including HRC, as the reason for the Benghazzi attack. As far as her comment “What does it matter now?” goes, if it was an attempt to sweep under the rug information which would have been damaging to the pos’s re(s)election, it matters a great deal. If she was involved in a coverup to ensure his election victory, it matters enormously.

    If you are the parents or family members of one of the four who died you would want to know what happened.

    She did not offer any explanation for why she went along with what turned out to be a despicable hoax. And judging by Kerry’s responses to questioning at his Senate confirmation hearing today, we will never know the truth.

    That is a tragedy, for the family members, for the democratic process and for the country.

    In any case, I guess I will never be able to “prove to you your posts are inaccurate.”

    Of course I was never trying to do that in the first place, just trying to share pertinent information. Sometimes people don’t want to hear truth which conflicts with or challenges their worldview. Like I said yesterday, no problem.

    I do agree that since I’m no longer on the HRC bandwagon as of yesterday there is not much else to say except I have always enjoyed this site and I wish everyone the best.

  130. Basil, since you have said goodbye…you may not be around to see this comment.

    I will just say that I don’t think it is up to me to change anyone’s mind on what is important to them. All I do is state what I think and it is up to each individual to do the same.

    I am not going to comment on the rest of what you said, you are leaving and I certainly have grown to respect you over the years and appreciate you even if we disagree these days on Hillary.

    I don’t have time nor do I have the emotional strength to try and ‘prove’ my thoughts are right and yours or another’s are wrong here on the blog. My own life has too much sorrow and stress to take on more than I do at Big Pink.

  131. “re Boxer—I dunno how I could ever trust her. During the ’08 primary, she was here on the island with Howard Dean secretly plotting against Hillary—Dean was taking our money for H and all the while working for Obummer. I can’t forget that.”

    XXXXXXXXXXX
    You’re so right, lil Ole g! And to think, Boxer is related to Hilary (by a marriage between the families) — and she still stabbed her in the back in 2008 by remaining “neutral” throughout the primaries.

    As far as I’m concerned, the Benghazi hearings were just theater. If the Repubs had really wanted answers, they could have refrained from grandstanding and proceeded with a tag-team strategy of focused questions and follow-up questions. Except for her “what-does-it-matter” moment, I thought Hillary staved off the attacks and defended herself well against those wishing to bring this all down on her. I actually think she was kept in the dark about this mission and only found out about it when the attack started. Those behind this secret mission and its fiasco are none other than Obama, Jarret, Panetta. These are the people who need to be put under oath and questioned on the matter. It is, after all, an open secret that the real mission in Benghazi was gun running to Syria. If the Senate could have pinned this on Hillary they would have been happy, but other than that they just want to sweep the whole affair under the rug and move on.

  132. S

    That fly photo is classic. They really like BO, remember when he swatted or caught one in the WH and was so darn proud?

  133. BASIL99
    January 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    Sunday talk show story changes.

    Now HRC says she didn’t go on instead of Rice because she has better things to do on Sunday
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    Aren’t those “Sunday” shows taped on Friday???

  134. I have to agree with those disappointed in Hillary yesterday, but even more disappointed in the Republican boobs who couldn’t get their act together (agree with admin on that point).

    In foxy’s video post yesterday at 3:08pm, HC talks about comforting the families as the victims of Benghazi were returned home, around 11:35, and I wanted to gag because she told those people at that time that the video dunnit. She also says it was “personal” and she starts to choke up. I’m sorry, but I found this an unconvincing performance and frankly it reminded me of the New Hampshire primary moment where she watered up and said “this is personal.”

  135. Trixta,
    Totally agree with you on this:
    “As far as I’m concerned, the Benghazi hearings were just theater. If the Repubs had really wanted answers, they could have refrained from grandstanding and proceeded with a tag-team strategy of focused questions and follow-up questions. Except for her “what-does-it-matter” moment, I thought Hillary staved off the attacks and defended herself well against those wishing to bring this all down on her. I actually think she was kept in the dark about this mission and only found out about it when the attack started. Those behind this secret mission and its fiasco are none other than Obama, Jarret, Panetta. These are the people who need to be put under oath and questioned on the matter. It is, after all, an open secret that the real mission in Benghazi was gun running to Syria. If the Senate could have pinned this on Hillary they would have been happy, but other than that they just want to sweep the whole affair under the rug and move on.

  136. Basil. I am with you for all the reasons you have expressed so robustly.
    I Have been on this blog 6 years through thick and thin. I believe it has gotten punfortunately thin.I made a lot of excuses for a woman I adored. No more. Do I think there is a knight or AMazon out there that will save us from ourselves? Most likely not. But I feel that the Clintons may have stepped to close to the dark side for my taste. For me it will always be AMERICA FIRST.Thanks Admin for your incredible insights.

  137. The corruption in the Republican Party is well documented. All you need to do is read the works of Kevin Phillips.

    As far as Boxer is concerned, she made a commitment to endorse whoever won the Calfornia primary. When Hillary won that State, she regeged. I spoke to her staffers and tried to get her to live up to her word. It was no use. Boxer is one of the most useless people in Congress. Walking out of a room is about all she is good for.

    I woke up this morning very sad. I wish things had gone differently yesterday. I just finished a meeting with my business partner. He told me that Hillary had no choice and he admired her for taking responsiblity, unlike everyone else. He hates Ron Paul and made some disparaging comment about a wig–or maybe the word was whig.

    He thinks McCain is a dottering fool, and I did not take exception. He told his wife he has got to get control of himself because although the country is going to hell as a result of a failure in leadership by both parties, there is nothing he can do about it. A sad note to end on, but that is where we are at the moment.

  138. Kerry and his boss are riding for a big fall. In four years that pair of deluded fools will age 20. And Obama will be the most reviled president in our history. Benghazi will look like a cake walk.

  139. Leanora
    January 24th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
    Here’s how the NY Post covered it.

    Instant classic.

    ********************************

    yes, instant sexist classic…so what’s new…

    Do you see any men being covered that way…with references to their wives

    …same old battle…

  140. Leanora
    January 24th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Here’s how the NY Post covered it.

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    Just looking at that photo of Hillary, I see some real anger released, and God knows she sure has much to be angry about since 2008.
    If I had been in her shoes all these years, I would have shown more anger and much more often. I do not have Hillary’s composure…then again, I would never want to be in the public eye and have to deal with all the digs and back stabs from the media.

    I wouldn’t blame Hillary if she tossed in the political towel and joined the Big Dawg at CGI.

    The headline and photo together is sexist, I agree.

  141. Thanks Shadow and VCal for words that have helped. I thought about it all night long last night and again today.

    I still have mixed emotions but I wracked my brains and I can’t think of anyone else of either party I would want more in 2016 than Hillary. She is flawed, like us all, but she is still the best we have.

  142. VotingHillary, I was worried that you would leave like Basil….and that would be two Big Pinkers I would really miss…glad you are staying.

    Hillary isn’t perfect and neither am I or anyone I know in my real life, but she has accomplished more than almost anyone in the US that I can think of.

  143. love her or hate her Hillary is responsible for obama being where he is.
    she could have taken him out of the 2nd election at any time.

    the first commercial jet downed with a Benghazi stinger missile will have the current administration responsible.
    pretty reprehensible giving the jihadis weapons in my opinion.

    obama will also eventually pay for his current hankypanky with the military generals and such…

  144. love her or hate her Hillary is responsible for obama being where he is.
    she could have taken him out of the 2nd election at any time.

    the first commercial jet downed with a Benghazi stinger missile will have the current administration responsible.
    pretty reprehensible giving the jihadis weapons in my opinion.

    obama will also eventually pay for his current hankypanky with the military generals and such…

  145. obama will also eventually pay for his current hankypanky
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    I believe that fate is stalking him now. When people feel the full weight of his oppressive policies they will rebel against him. By the end of this term he will be a reviled and big media will be held in contempt.

  146. I think Feinstein gone beserk. Let her turn in her guns, but leave everyone elses along. Her proposal is loony tunes.

  147. obama will also eventually pay for his current hankypanky with the military generals and such…
    —————————-
    Two things I heard this morning: Credit card swipe fees are just around the corner.
    Smokers will pay more for their OCare.
    Don’t quote me on amts. Think I heard 1 – 3% of purchase for credit transaction. This fee is at co or store’s discretion. For hc, heard the figure $8000 but I don’t know if it represents increase over nonsmoker, is per month, or annually. With Obama how could you know? He’s unpredictable. Neither of these changes will be welcome here. At 1 – 3 % I will likely pay with cash or check, neither of which is expedient for anyone.

  148. S January 24th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    Basil,
    I wish you the very best too…
    …maybe as time goes on, things will fall back into place…
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    ditto, Basil

  149. Shadowfax January 25th, 2013 at 11:45 am
    “Clinton spokesperson confirms Daily News analysis that Secretary of State is wearing glasses…”
    ====

    Duh, HRC is blind as a bat. She has worn glasses or contact lenses since she was a kid – it’s got nothing to do with the concussion & blood clot.

  150. n a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.

    The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments Mr. Obama made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and the board no longer has a quorum to operate.

    [snip]

    “Recent presidents are doing no more than interpreting the Constitution. While we recognize that all branches of government must of necessity exercise their understanding of the Constitution in order to perform their duties faithfully thereto, ultimately it is our role to discern the authoritative meaning of the supreme law.”

    The case is likely to end up before the Supreme Court, and it turns on the definition of what the Constitution means when it says “recess.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/25/federal-court-obama-broke-law-recess-appointments/

  151. jeswezey

    Did you read the article? It was taking about the microscopic lines on one lens that is normally used for double vision, and the article says a spokesman for Hillary confirmed these glasses were connected to eye problems from her fall and blood clot.

    I noticed these specific classes in the photos of Hillary coming out of the hospital. She does wear glasses and probably contact at times too…but these looked very different to me.

  152. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_RECESS_APPOINTMENTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-25-10-49-05

    By SAM HANANEL
    Associated Press

    Court: Obama appointments are unconstitutional

    WASHINGTON (AP) — In an embarrassing setback for President Barack Obama, a federal appeals court panel ruled Friday that he violated the Constitution in making certain recess appointments and moved to curtail a chief executive’s ability in the future to circumvent the Senate in such scenarios.

    A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said that Obama did not have the power to make three recess appointments last year to the National Labor Relations Board because the Senate was officially in session – and not in recess – at the time. If the decision stands, it could invalidate hundreds of board decisions.

    The court said the president could only fill vacancies with the recess appointment procedure if the openings arise when the Senate is in an official recess, which it defined as the break between sessions of Congress.

    The ruling threw into question Obama’s recess appointment of Richard Cordray to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Cordray’s appointment, also made at the same time, has been challenged in a separate case.

    The White House had no immediate comment.

    Obama made the recess appointments on Jan. 4, 2012, after Senate Republicans spent months blocking his choices for an agency they contended was biased in favor of unions. Obama claims he acted properly because the Senate was away for the holidays on a 20-day recess. The Constitution allows for such appointments without Senate approval when Congress is in recess.

    But during that time, GOP lawmakers argued, the Senate technically had stayed in session because it was gaveled in and out every few days for so-called “pro forma” sessions.

    GOP lawmakers used the tactic – as Democrats had done in the past – specifically to prevent the president from using his recess power to install members to the labor board. They had also vigorously opposed the nomination of Cordray. The White House argued that the pro forma sessions – some lasting less than a minute – were a sham.

    The three-judge panel, all appointed by Republican presidents, ruled that during one of those pro forma sessions on Jan. 3, the Senate officially convened its second session of the 112th Congress, as required by the Constitution.

    “Either the Senate is in session, or it is in recess,” Chief Judge David Sentelle wrote in the 46-page ruling. “If it has broken for three days within an ongoing session, it is not in “the Recess” described in the Constitution.”

    Simply taking a break of an evening or a weekend during a regular working session cannot count, he said. Sentelle said that otherwise “the president could make appointments any time the Senate so much as broke for lunch.”

    The judge rejected arguments from the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which claimed the president has discretion to decide that the Senate is unavailable to perform its advice and consent function.

    “Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointment power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” Sentelle wrote.

    Sentelle was joined in the ruling by Judge Thomas Griffith, appointed to the court by President George W. Bush, and Karen LeCraft Henderson, who was appointed by President George H.W. Bush.

    The Obama administration is expected to appeal the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court. But if the ruling stands, it means that hundreds of decisions issued by the board over more than a year would be invalid. It also would leave the five-member labor board with just one validly appointed member, effectively shutting it down. The board is allowed to issue decisions only when it has at least three sitting members.

    Obama used the recess appointment to appoint Deputy Labor Secretary Sharon Block, union lawyer Richard Griffin and NLRB counsel Terence Flynn to fill vacancies on the NLRB, giving it a full contingent for the first time in more than a year. Block and Griffin are Democrats, while Flynn is a Republican. Flynn stepped down from the board last year.

    The court’s decision is a victory for Republicans and business groups that have been attacking the labor board for issuing a series of decisions and rules that make it easier for the nation’s labor unions to organize new members.

  153. I just went through a lot (and i do mean a lot!) of pics of Hillary wearing glasses through the years — if the camera catches light reflected along the inner edge of the frame on her left eye, there is that same line indicating a greater thickness of that lens than the right lens.

    Also, I wear glasses thicker at the outside edges–they are special lenses for people with slowly developing cataracts and where they catch the light they seem to indicate a line like that.

    I think someone is trying to make us believe Hillary is brain-damaged, and I’m not buying it.

  154. Hmmm, there are lots of articles out there about the double vision and Hillary’s glasses…hopefully jeswezy and Lil’ grape are right and it’s all bs.

  155. Wow! Since yesterday, over 170,000 of you have thanked Secretary Clinton for her almost thirty years of service to this country. That’s incredible! Will you help us reach 250,000? http://dccc.org/Thank-You-Hillary
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    IF WISHES WERE DOLLARS 🙂

    Foxy, tnx for info on smoking, Boeing, and so much more.

  156. Since yesterday, over 170,000 of you have thanked Secretary Clinton for her almost thirty years of service to this country.
    ——————————
    Note to DCCC and a-hole SOS-In-Waiting: Of course in 2008 18+ MILLION voters CHOSE Hillary. I have been pasting this link all over like wall paper for weeks. Probably not the first time I put it here. May not be the last time either.
    10 January 2008. Kerry Endorses Obama as Campaign Goes Nationwide
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/us/politics/10cnd-campaign.html?_r=0

  157. When you are dealing with the dimocratic party, that seeks to destroy the constitution and everything that goes with it, compromise is a dirty word. The only thing that counts anymore is whose side are you on?

  158. I know I sound like a broken record, but 2nd Terms at least since FDR have not usually been kind to Presidents. Too many Beltway Insiders are either too enamoured or too intimidated by President Obama. Post election polling can be taken both ways. Yes, he won; and in a narrow Rovian sense, his victory was a piece of tactical brilliance. But, like Bush in 2004, one cannot ignore the fact that nearly 50% of the voters casted votes against Obama. There was no mandate.

    Taken within that context, I do find it odd that the President continues to push his snark, his arrogance, his utter disregard for the House GOP, and his strategy of using whatever political capital he has remaining to destroy Boehner and Company as a political force. His window of oppurtunity from a strictly political point of view is maybe 12 months. In 2014, the mid-term elections will drive out all other concerns. But, reading his inaugeral speech, one clearly sees that Obama has no agenda, at all. And without an agenda, the President is in a way forced to react to events. Without the Newton Massacre, there would have been no big WH push to implement more gun control. And if the President’s continued modus operandi is “Never allow a crisis to go to waste”, well let’s just say he is playing with fire. Kicking Boehner and Ryan in the pants may gratify the readers of Huffpo, but in the electorate at large, danger lurks for the Dems. I predicted 3 weeks ago that the President and his party would be hurt by their ill-conceived war with the NRA. I really don’t believe they realize how much they are hurting themselves. If they lose those 6 seats in the Senate, Obama’s may as well retire in 2015.

    And now comes reality time. The continued budget “crisis” (lots of good Beltway Theatre) is a case in point. Not even rank and file Democrats will be entertained anymore now that their standards of living could be taking another big hit (increased taxes and a return to higher oil prices). But, more explicitly if the economy remains stuck at 1.8-2% GDP (with little improvement in jobs), voters will begin to wonder who is benefiting from so much debt? Those with jobs are seeing thier healthcare premiums skyrocket (the lucky ones) and their paychecks lessened. The President is immuned to all of this (he doesn’t stand re-election). But, his party most certainly will not.

    Just an hour ago, the Senate Dems announced renewed efforts to restrict gun ownerhsip. They are all lemmings that will go over the cliff. The GOP remains a limp, ridiculous party. However, they will again reap the political benifits of Progressive over-reach.

  159. In a political vaccum, one could rationally argue that putting some limits on assault weapons to protect public safety is a rational response to what has occurred.

    But nothing ever occurs in a political vaccum, especially now.

    When a would be dictator, who is an elitist, a racist, and someone who seeks to invalidate the Constitution, it is a very different story.

    It is the tactic of the left to say ten things in a row that sound reasonable and then slip you the mickey finn.

    Therefore, reasonable minds will reject AB INITIO (at the outset) ANY attempt by dims to put any restrictions on guns other than more education, training and gun safety.

    Our prosperity and our liberty are in grave danger now from a sociopath who wants to take away our guns. Even a pared back proposal from him on the issue–or from Feinstein is likely to lead to another and another, until our sovereign right to resist tyranny is eliminated. That is the direction they are going—prevention of future strategies is nothing more than a pretext.

  160. holdthemaccountable
    January 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Foxy … am watching the 2:40 video. John is looking very plastic. Surely surgery.
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    Ayup!!! 🙂

  161. Hi guys, just dropping by…hope all is well, just catching up on the blog.

    I think i want to throw up though….

    US President Barack Obama and outgoing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are to be interviewed on 60 Minutes this weekend.

    60 Minutes journalist Steve Kroft’s chat with the US President and Secretary Clinton at the White House will be the politicians’ very first joint interview.

    Clinton is expected to reflect on her four years spent representing the US abroad as well as her recent Capitol Hill testimony on the Benghazi terrorist attack.

    The outgoing Secretary of State is expected to leave her official post next week if Obama’s nominee John Kerry is confirmed by the US Senate.

    President Barack Obama is flanked on stage by musicians Jay-Z, left, and Bruce Springsteen at a campaign event at Nationwide Arena

    Obama was last interviewed by Kroft on 60 Minutes at the height of last year’s presidential election campaign.

    60 Minutes airs its interview with Obama and Clinton on Sunday, January 27 at 7/6c on CBS.

    ……………………

    Can anyone bear to watch this, why would you do it

  162. I won’t be around much as i said before as i am moving internationally again in the next few months. Its soooo stressful.

    Hugs to all.

  163. After a three-year run as a paid contributor to the nation’s highest-rated cable news channel, Sarah Palin and FOX News have cut ties, according to a source close to the former Alaska governor.

    “It’s my understanding that Gov. Palin was offered a contract by FOX, and she decided not to renew the arrangement,” the source close to Palin told RCP. “She remains focused on broadening her message of common-sense conservatism across the country and will be expanding her voice in the national discussion.”

    ……………………….ahem….oh look there’s a senate seat up for grabs in 2014 in Alaska.

  164. moononpluto
    January 25th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I won’t be around much as i said before as i am moving internationally again in the next few months. Its soooo stressful.

    Hugs to all.
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    Hugs back Moon we will miss you. 😉

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