Unravel #4: Egypt – Why Won’t Obama Demand Morsi Resign?

Update II: Others are beginning to take note of Obama’s refusal to call for the resignation of Morsi. As Cairo protesters throw rocks at US Embassy, clash with police in Tahrir Square why doesn’t Obama stand for democracy and freedom and side with the Egyptian people?:

“Say, this has a familiar ring to it. Protesters fill Tahrir Square to demonstrate against the head of state who uses an “emergency” to claim dictatorial powers, police deploy teargas, and rocks get thrown at the US Embassy. The last time this happened, Barack Obama demanded the resignation of the Egyptian head of state. [snip]

The Muslim Brotherhood used democracy to gain power, but they’re not going to allow anyone to use it to take power away from them.”

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Update: It’s going to get worse: France to vote for UN recognition for Palestine. Appeasement never works, it only encourages and drives extremists. This is another demonstration of Obama weakness and the unraveling of American power and prestige as the West cannot even feign unity of purpose in a region which only respects strength. We’ll soon be another step closer to war, regional and possibly worse.

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We’re slowly and with great deliberation arrived post 2012 election, after unravel 1, 2, and 3, at unravel #4. And it’s still November.

January 2011 it was obvious to all but the Hopium Guzzlers what would happen in Egypt and Egypt is game over:

“The boobery from Obama has been ceaseless. From the first Obama pandered to Arabs and Muslims and snubbed Israel. Obama thought that if he strapped on a ukulele and sang “Tip Toe Through The Tulips With Me” the gangs governments of the Middle East would sing along. But these governments have interests and strategies that will not be swayed by Obama’s flood of words, backed up by more words and yet more words. Weakness is not respected in the Middle East and Barack Obama is weak and foolish. [snip]

In most if not all instances, the revolution in the streets, hailed in the West as steps forward, ended in theocracy and authoritarianism. The people are tools to establish dictatorships. The hopes that start with calls from the street for democracy – end in small groups of men who seize power and throttle the voice of the people.”

During that season of gullibility and fantasy-politik Obama and the foolish assured us that the Muslim Brotherhood constituted too small a group, that it was unpopular, and that in either case the Muslim Brotherhood had forsworn running a candidate in Egyptian elections.

The well organized Muslim Brotherhood not only fielded a presidential candidate. He won. The Muslim Brotherhood candidates also gobbled up the legislature. We were then assured the Egyptian courts and the military would block the crazies – as if the entire Muslim Brotherhood was not “the crazies”.

Subsequently, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Morsi declared himself authority over the military and removed Egyptian military officials that might block his full control. That much power was not enough for the Muslim Brotherhood.

As Americans ate turkey after Obama’s reelection, Morsi struck:

“On Thursday, Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood president Mohammed Morsi passed an extraordinary presidential decree. This unilaterally fired the country’s prosecutor-general, banned the judiciary from dissolving the country’s constituent assembly and, conveniently, also declared all the president’s decisions to be irrevocable and immune from any form of judicial challenge or overturn.”

We cannot believe the Obama non-reaction to the Morsi power grab in Egypt is boobery. It is historic treachery.

Barack Obama has not demanded Morsi resign. A power grab by Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood and Obama is effectively silent. Obama demanded the resignation of Hosni Mubarak when pawns took to the streets to demand “freedom” but now Obama is slient. No calls for resignation.

Obama demanded the Mubarack resignation and we were told it was because Obama wanted to be seen as on the side of “the people of Egypt”. It’s that “Obama brand” ugliness in full flower.

But for some reason Barack Obama is not siding with the “Egyptian people” now that the Arab Spring is slowly turning to nuclear winter. The Egyptian people are demonstrating their anger with the Morsi Muslim Brotherhood power grab:

“Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy on Sunday defended his unilateral assumption of a host of new powers — including over the country’s judiciary — though his insistence the moves are “temporary” did little to quell furor of those who now call him a dictator. [snip]

One of Morsy’s advisers, Farouk Guweida, resigned in objection to the decree, presidential adviser Esam El Erian said Sunday. Two days earlier, another presidential adviser — Samir Morcos, a Coptic Christian — also quit in protest, state media reported. [snip]

Such dissension is rife in Egypt as thousands have hit the streets in recent days to decry what they call an undemocratic power grab by Morsy, who is his nation’s first president since longtime leader Hosni Mubarak was ousted amid a popular uprising. [snip]

Late last week, protesters overran the Alexandria base of the Muslim Brotherhood’s political wing and set it on fire, said Ahmed Sobea, a spokesman for the Freedom and Justice Party.

And overnight Saturday, others tried to attack the group’s offices in the northern city of Damanhour, Egypt’s Interior Ministry said Sunday. Injuries were reported as the movement’s supporters fought back, the ministry said. [snip]

In addition to Damanhour and Alexandria, party offices in Mansoura, Suez and Cairo have been “damaged and ransacked” in recent days, said Sobea. [smip]

There have been many other cases of protesters clashing with security forces, including some Sunday in Cairo, state-run Nile TV reported.

Since Thursday, at least 261 people have been injured in clashes in the Egyptian capital and elsewhere, according to EGYNews, which cited the Health Ministry but didn’t break down who was hurt.”

Is Obama aware of any of this. These reports from CNN should clue Barack Obama:

“Meanwhile, thousands of other demonstrators have expressed their views more peacefully — including by vowing to occupy Cairo’s Tahrir Square with white tents and people, just as was the case leading up to Mubarak’s exit, until Morsy reverses course. Protests also broke out Sunday outside the capital, according to the Interior Ministry.

Mubarak, with all his arrogance and dictatorial tendencies, never gave himself the power that no one can appeal his decisions,” protester Mohamed Abdul Wahab said, blasting Morsy for giving himself “the powers of a new pharaoh.”

Where is Barack Obama? Where is Barack Obama’s demand that Morsi resign? Why is Barack Obama not listening to the Egyptian people? There’s plenty of video: Protests, clashes spread outside of Cairo.



Hopium Guzzlers claim that Morsi helped Obama in the temporary “truce” in Gaza so Obama should not stab Morsi in the back. But Mubarack helped the United States for decades and Barack Obama did not hesitate to stab Mubarack in the back. Also, the Gaza ceasefire is an armistice before the next war. If anything the “truce” blocks Israel from removing Hamas in Gaza before turning attention fully to preventing Iran from going nuclear.

Why won’t Barack Obama demand Morsi resign? Egyptian demonstrations? Check. Violence in the streets? Check. Government officials resigning in protest? Check. Egyptian government institutions such as the military and judiciary threatened? Check. Why won’t Obama demand that Morsi resign?

The only difference between Mubarak and Morsi we see is that Morsi is an Islamic extremist. Why won’t Barack Obama demand Morsi resign?

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293 thoughts on “Unravel #4: Egypt – Why Won’t Obama Demand Morsi Resign?

  1. Oh happy day that our Admin is back and taken up the fight against the flim flam cow again.

    “Why won’t Barack Obama demand Morsi resign?”

    My guess is because Baracko is trying to do the same thing here in the US and Morsi isn’t ‘cool’ enough to pull it off like the Kool Aid Diety.

  2. Great article, and welcome back admin!

    Obama’s foreign policy continues to be a festival of boobery. Surely there’s a way to blame Bush…

  3. Coward liberals like their Muslim dictators and monarchs and even terrorists like Hamas. The liberals would side with Iran before they side with a democracy like Israel.

  4. Oh happy day that our Admin is back and taken up the fight against the flim flam cow again.
    __________________________________________
    Hey, leave Moooo-shell out of it. It’s not nice to pick on the First Cow. 😉

  5. Because Obama is very happy having Morsi and the Brotherhood in power. Look, only
    42% of Dems supported Israel’s actions in operation pillar of defense compared to 79% republicans and independents combined. The democratic party has became a shadow image of it’s Muslim leaning POTUS, whose best buddy Erdogan called
    Israel a terrorist state ( he being Obama’s must trusted foreign leader). Thank’s again to the self-hating liberal Jew leftists who are helping Obama , the Muslims /Arabs and Europeans divest, isolate, and ultimately destroy Israel.

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    PS- Welcome back Adm.

  6. There is a Bangladeshi-origin guy at work and he thinks Obama is a Muslim. Now what makes me uncomfortable is that this guy is around 30, grew up in this country(his parents came here when he was a kid). He speaks English with no accent, went to school here and even has a technical degree. The thing I can’t reconcile about this guy is he grew up here, but he is more Bangladeshi than American.

    Same with Obama. He is his father’s son — a third world dictator wannabe.

  7. obama has a ton of people doing this some on this blog…

    I Was a Paid Internet Shill, page 1
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread826545/pg1
    ATS Members have flagged this thread 86 times Topic started on 3-4-2012 @ 10:30 PM by ExShill

    I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

    I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

    My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me). She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.

    The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.” I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.

    The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.

    We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.” Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.

    After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”

    “Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.

    “No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.

    reply posted on 3-4-2012 @ 10:32 PM by ExShill
    The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.

    My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”

    She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings. If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”

    The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.

    The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.” Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”

    Continued in the next post

    reply posted on 3-4-2012 @ 10:33 PM by ExShill
    At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.

    The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”

    The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).

    I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.

    After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.

    A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.

    This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.

    Yours,

    ExShill

    April 2012

  8. the above post is OFN but I wanted to make a point about obamas webspinners and monitors. we have a monitor here and most likely a few spinners. it would be interesting t track Ip addresses and see if a number of posters hail from location. most likely they use something like anonymizer.com to hide their location due to the sophisticated web centers that obama uses. I also wouldnt be surprised if they also probably track us and our locations.

  9. His silence on the subject is predictable. When faced with a choice involving downsides, his natural reaction is to freeze up.

    Morsi has the levers of power. He controls the legislature. I doubt this will make much difference. The protests in Iran have gone silent. The question is not what the judges do, but what the Egyptian military does.

    The only good thing to come out of this was that Obama supported him and he did not bother to tell Obama, or his secretary of state before the fact. Israel does not give Obama prior notice of its intentions either. Nevertheless big media treats Obama like the savior, and the peacemaker in the middle east.

  10. sirmrks, it seems at least one or two regular “spinners” have disappeared from this site. Perhaps they’ll return….

  11. Concerning recent events in and around Egypt, I think we have to keep our accounts clear.

    Firstly, I don’t think there is any reason for Obama or anyone else to call for Morsi’s resignation. The Egyptian people are demonstrating, not for his resignation, but for Morsi to rescind his nefarious decrees that constitute an outright power grab. To be on the people’s side, we should do the same; but calling for his resignation would constitute an interference in the democratic process of a foreign country – something for which the US, sad to say, has been nefariously notorious in the past.

    Secondly, we should recognize that the Muslim Brotherhood itself is calling for participation in today’s million-man demonstration. Thus, while supporting Morsi generally, there is a part of this large organization that also opposes the impending dictatorship. As a result, there is nothing we can do or say against the Muslim Brotherhood. They stood for election and won, and we have to live with that – even though they do not live or think the way we do, and do not tremble in their boots when we say boo.

    Thirdly, the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas is, whether we like it or not, a feather in Morsi’s cap. As I said to ABM94, there are people on both sides who feel they are getting a raw deal. It is nonetheless a deal.

    With the above comments in mind, I would like to post two articles concerning Hillary,
    her role in the cease-fire, her 2016 chances, and awareness of Morsi’s power grab:
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    (The Baltimore Sun)

    Hillary Clinton’s stock is on the rise

    If she wants it, she would be the prohibitive favorite for the 2016 Democratic nomination

    By Jules Witcover

    1:51 p.m. EST, November 26, 2012

    In the cease-fire struck between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton got second billing to Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi’s role as the prime go-between, and rightly so. But her highly visible hand-holding on both sides did nothing to quiet chatter about her political strength at home as a potential presidential candidate in 2016.

    Her visits to Tel Aviv for a talk with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and to Ramallah to confer with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas underscored President Obama’s confidence in her in sending her from Burma, where she had been accompanying him, directly to the Middle East to try to put out the fire.

    As Mrs. Clinton nears her promised resignation from State at the end of the first Obama term, and absent any Sherman-like statement that she will not run for president again, she’ll be leaving the administration at a peak of her popularity and general respect at home.

    She has handled her arc of departure with skill and grace, sticking to her heavy diplomatic workload and global travel schedule without domestic political distraction through the 2012 presidential campaign. During that campaign, she correctly brushed off the uninformed chatter that Mr. Obama might somehow get Vice President Joe Biden to switch jobs with her.

    For both personal and political reasons, Ms. Clinton will be well served as she contemplates her return to private life to step out of the political arena for the immediate future. Whatever role she decides to play between now and 2016, it is likely to reinforce a commitment to public service in some manner, keeping her visible without the intensity accorded an open pursuer of the presidency.

    At the same time, no other Democrat has emerged as a serious challenger to the former first lady if she should choose to run in the next presidential cycle. One prospective hopeful, Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, recently announced he would not seek a second term as governor of his state, preferring to stay in the Senate, perhaps a hint of his plans to bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

    Others mentioned include Govs. Martin O’Malley of Maryland and Andrew Cuomo of New York, but neither has the public profile or party support that Hillary Clinton will carry into the next chapter of her life. Her very strong campaign against Mr. Obama in 2008 left her with an army of women backers seeing her as the best prospect for becoming the first female American president.

    Concerns that the American electorate might oppose the creation of a Clinton dynasty, with her husband former President Bill Clinton playing a dominant role behind the scenes, would clash with her own personal and well-demonstrated independence in the soap opera of what the Clinton marriage has sometimes seemed to be.

    The former president himself has undergone somewhat of a public resurrection after an at times abrasive role in backing his wife’s 2008 presidential bid. His enthusiastic and effective campaigning for Mr. Obama’s reelection, in which the president described him as his chief “explainer of stuff,” confirmed that Bill Clinton remains peerless as a Democratic advocate. His appearance with Mr. Obama at the Democratic convention in Charlotte was its highlight.

    In any event, for all of Hillary Clinton’s earlier insistence that her one exhausting campaign for the presidency would be her last, the pressure from women voters for her to run again is likely to be immense if she is able to navigate the next three years on an even course, especially in the absence of some yet-to-emerge Democratic star rivaling her.

    The arguments that the country is not “ready” for a female president or that no woman has the qualifications for the job seem quaint today; other women leaders around the globe play distinctive roles in leading their countries at home and in international diplomacy.

    Hillary Clinton took considerable strides in 2008 in challenging the first contention, and her impressive role as secretary of state since then has effectively combated the second one. If in the end she decides to reach for the Oval Office again in 2016, she will be a formidable candidate.

    Jules Witcover is a syndicated columnist and former long-time writer for The Baltimore Sun. His latest book is “Joe Biden: A Life of Trial and Redemption” (William Morrow). His email is juleswitcover@comcast.net.”
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    In furtherance of the reference to “her impressive role as secretary of state”, I am ready to review that role with anyone who believes that she has been less impression than many of her predecessors.

    Now to the 2nd article from CNN Security Clearance:
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    Clinton not warned of Egyptian president’s power grab

    By Jill Dougherty

    Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy’s bid for more power blindsided Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who, as her spokeswoman told reporters Monday, had no forewarning about his upcoming political maneuverings.

    Clinton met with Morsy in Cairo last Wednesday in an effort to broker a cease-fire in Gaza but there was no discussion about Morsy’s plans for his own government.

    “She heard about it when everybody else heard about it,” spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Monday.

Morsy’s announcement that he was assuming new powers shielding his decisions from judicial scrutiny raised red flags in Washington but officials also were more immediately concerned by the potential for violence after thousands took to the streets to protest the president’s move.

    Since Morsy’s announcement, which comes as an assembly is writing a new Egyptian constitution, the Obama administration has been seeking clarification. So far, the conclusion is the move appears to be temporary.

    “When he says it’s temporary,” Nuland explained, “our understanding is it’s temporary until there is a constitution that can be approved, but the concern was that there were various, you know, issues that were not well represented in the way he went forward with this.”

    On Monday, Secretary Clinton spoke by phone with Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amr and, according to Nuland, stressed again the United States’ view that the constitution should not “overly concentrate power in one set of hands.”

    The U.S. has been calling for all “stakeholders” in the constitutional process to be included in discussions, and that appears to be happening, with Morsy consulting with various groups, including the judiciary.

    But, Nuland cautioned, “It is a very murky, uncertain period in terms of the legal and constitutional underpinnings, which makes it all the more important that the process proceed on the basis of democratic dialogue and the consultations.”

    Morsy’s move, coming days after he played a key role in working out a Gaza cease-fire, has raised questions on Capitol Hill over U.S. funding to Egypt. Nuland stressed U.S. support for a $4.8 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund agreed to last week.

    When it comes to U.S. help, she said “We’ve also been clear with the Congress that we think that the support in the form of economic support funds that we’ve pledged to Egypt should go forward.”

    The Obama administration wants Congress to approve an immediate cash infusion of $450 million, part of an overall package of $1 billion to support Egypt’s transition after the toppling of former President Hosni Mubarak.

    Nuland added a caveat: “But, obviously, I think everybody’s watching now, (to see) that this current set of issues has a democratic resolution.”
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    “A democratic resolution” leaves the door open for Hillary, or rather Obama, to call not for Morsi’s resignation, which would be undemocratic, but for his withdrawal of the decrees.

  12. “Why won’t Barack Obama demand Morsi resign?”
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    It’s not boobery. That would be giving obama too much credit. I believe that this is what obama wanted from the start. Back when he was helping to overthrow the governments of Mubarak and Gaddafi, he did it with the intention of replacing them with islamic radicals. I believe that obama wants to bring back the califate in the mid-east. For 100 years the muslims have been longing for the return of the Ottoman Empire. Obama wants to bring it to them and lead the way.

    If you just consider the fact that obama is a muslim, it all makes sense.

    Why do you think obama is taking his oath of office in secret?

  13. Soon after entering the White House as Barack Obama’s “senior adviser” Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett began meeting with top members of the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islamic group that has for decades integrated itself with various political groups throughout the world. With Barack Obama as president, and Valerie Jarrett’s influence on nearly all aspects of presidential policy, it appeared the Muslim Brotherhood had finally found its way into the White House as well.

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/25/obama-and-jarrett-now-reap-what-they-have-sown-in-egypt/

  14. Leanora November 27th, 2012 at 6:22 am

    That’s all well and good, perhaps Obama (or rather Jarrett, what’s the diff?) was in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood. However, that does not explain the Brotherhood’s success at the polls in Egypt.

    Mubarak spent a great deal of energy excluding the Brotherhood from power; and with Mubarak gone, it could be expected that the Brotherhood would come into its own with popular support.

    Are we really ruing the day we dropped our support for our own dictator? If we had continued to support Mubarak, could we have kept him in power? And for how long? And what would the popular reaction have been if we did so?

    We simply have to recognize that we have tried to rule the world by installing dictators to our liking, beginning with the Shah of Iran in 1953 but spreading throughout Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and even Europe (the Greek colonels), and that the US is widely hated, or at least suspect, in many areas of the world because of this.

    What happened in Egypt last year was pretty much a lose-lose game for the US. So far, we haven’t done so badly. At least Egypt is not a second Iran. It could very well have been a second Iran if we had tried to maintain Mubarak in power.

    As I tried to explain above, now is not the time to call for Morsi’s resignation because that would be interference in Egyptian politics. What we can do, though, is to side with the Egyptian people who are perfectly aware that Morsi is making a power grab, and thus we should call for him to rescind his decrees.

  15. http://news.yahoo.com/mursi-opponents-rally-cairos-tahrir-091805404.html

    CAIRO (Reuters) – Opponents of President Mohamed Mursi rallied in Cairo’s Tahrir Square for a fifth day on Tuesday, stepping up calls to scrap a decree they say threatens Egypt with a new era of autocracy.

    The protest called by leftist, liberal and socialist groups marks an escalation of the worst crisis since the Muslim Brotherhood politician was elected in June and exposes the deep divide between newly empowered Islamists and their opponents.

    The crowd is expected to grow in the late afternoon but hundreds were already in the square after many camped overnight. Police fired tear gas and organizers urged demonstrators not to clash with Interior Ministry security forces.

    One person – a Muslim Brotherhood activist – has been killed and hundreds more injured in violence set off by a move that has also triggered a rebellion by judges and battered confidence in an economy struggling to recover from two years of turmoil. [snip]

    The protest will test the extent to which Egypt’s non-Islamist opposition can rally support. The Islamists have consistently beaten more secular parties at the ballot box in elections held since Hosni Mubarak was toppled in February, 2011.

    “We don’t want a dictatorship again. The Mubarak regime was a dictatorship. We had a revolution to have justice and freedom,” said Ahmed Husseini, 32, who was speaking early on Tuesday in Tahrir Square.

    Activists have been camped out in Tahrir Square, scene of the historic uprising against Mubarak, since Friday, blocking it to traffic and clashing intermittently with riot police in nearby streets.

  16. Update: It’s going to get worse: France to vote for UN recognition for Palestine. Appeasement never works, it only encourages and drives extremists. This is another demonstration of Obama weakness and the unraveling of American power and prestige as the West cannot even feign unity of purpose in a region which only respects strength. We’ll soon be another step closer to war, regional and possibly worse.

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  17. This is the way I feel since November 6th. If you ever see me link this video again, there is no explanation needed on my part.

  18. Update: Others are beginning to take note of Obama’s refusal to call for the resignation of Morsi. As Cairo protesters throw rocks at US Embassy, clash with police in Tahrir Square why doesn’t Obama stand for democracy and freedom and side with the Egyptian people?:

    “Say, this has a familiar ring to it. Protesters fill Tahrir Square to demonstrate against the head of state who uses an “emergency” to claim dictatorial powers, police deploy teargas, and rocks get thrown at the US Embassy. The last time this happened, Barack Obama demanded the resignation of the Egyptian head of state. [snip]

    The Muslim Brotherhood used democracy to gain power, but they’re not going to allow anyone to use it to take power away from them.”

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  19. ADMIN! – so glad you are back on the job! Missed you!
    Do you read Melanie Phillips? I always dig her take on ME. No friend of Obama! Would love to hear you in conversation with her.
    http://melaniephillips.com/

    “So now Egypt has replaced a secular autocrat by a fanatical Islamic dictator – and the Egyptian crowds are back in revolt.
    snip
    So much for democracy then! And well done Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy for helping establish another theocratic dictatorship to enslave the masses at home and threaten the west!
    As I wrote here previously, Obama’s main concern in establishing the ceasefire in Gaza appeared to be not so much to secure the safety of Israel as to cement his protégé Morsi in Egypt. This view was echoed today in the Times of Israel, which suggested that Obama had now given up on Israel and the Palestinians and was only interested in shorting up Morsi in Egypt.
    But puzzlement as to why Obama should thus want to promote in Egypt the Brotherhood, the mortal foes of the west, can only deepen into acute alarm in view of the signals from his administration that he is now also preparing to throw King Abdullah of Jordan to the Islamist wolves. As Khaled abu Toameh reports:
    ‘Deputy State Department Spokesman Mark Toner managed to create panic [and anger] in the Royal Palace in Amman when he stated that there was “thirst for change” in Jordan and that the Jordanian people had “economic, political concerns,” as well as “aspirations.”
    ‘The spokesman’s remark has prompted some Jordanian government officials to talk about a US-led “conspiracy” to topple King Abdullah’s regime. The talk about a “thirst for change” in Jordan is seen by the regime in Amman as a green light from the US to King Abdullah’s enemies to increase their efforts to overthrow the monarchy.
    ‘The US spokesman’s remark came as thousands of Jordanians took to the streets to protest against their government’s tough economic measures, which include cancelling subsidies for fuel and gas prices.
    ‘The widespread protests, which have been dubbed “The November Intifada,” have resulted in attacks on numerous government offices and security installations throughout the kingdom. Dozens of security officers have been injured, while more than 80 demonstrators have been arrested. And for the first time, protesters in the Jordanian capital have been calling for overthrowing King Abdullah. In an unprecedented move, demonstrators last week tried to march on the monarch’s palace in Amman in scenes reminiscent of anti-regime protests in Tunisia, Libya, Yemen and Egypt.’
    Just whose side is America now on in the great battle for civilisation?”

    Melanie Phillips is a British journalist and author. She is best known for her controversial column about political and social issues which currently appears in the Daily Mail. Awarded the Orwell Prize for journalism in 1996, she is the author of All Must Have Prizes, an acclaimed study of Britain’s educational and moral crisis, which provoked the fury of educationists and the delight and relief of parents.

    Her book “The World Turned Upside Down” is one of my favorites.

  20. When Iranian’s protested in the streets and were killed…Obama was silent.

    When Egyptian’s protested in the streets last year, for a long time…Obama was silent.

    Obama votes present because he either has no backbone, doesn’t give a crap or is always on the side of dictator’s in power.

    He would like to be a dictator too, he strives for that kind of power himself.

  21. Hillary Clinton’s stock is on the rise

    If she wants it, she would be the prohibitive favorite for the 2016 Democratic nomination

    By Jules Witcover
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    Not in my book. The Hillary I see today is not the Hillary I saw in 2008. She should have taken time off to reflect on her loss rather than going to work for a man she did not respect. When you make that mistake you end up defeating yourself, and your vision, which was once very broad and inclusive, narrows, and you become blind to things happening around you. If she had had the broad vision she once had, she would have seen Benghazi coming and demanded protection. If she had had had the vision she once did, she would realized that Morsi would betray her and her vision of democracy, immediately after she got done meeting with him. Perhaps between the time she steps down and the time she decides whether to run in 2016, she will be pushed to do that by Bill who wants a return to power, and big media who knows Obama will not appoint a successor and is desperate for a new cash cow they can lie for, she will find the time to reflect on what was and what might have been. I think she will opt to build a womens global initiative, to tear down the patriarch which rules the world, especially in places like the Middle East. Frankly, if she goes in that direction, then she may acquire over time the kind of power we see in George Soros–which is far greater than the power of presidents. Or, she may find her voice as she did in the 2008 campaign after Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia. In that case, I would be tempted to support her, but I would still fear that the cabal behind her would use her in the same way they use Obama–and that does concern me. There was a program on recently which talked about the election of 1896, when three robber barons–Rockafeller, Morgan and Carnagee bought the election and the newspaper editors. In doing so they beat back a challenge by the grass roots candidate William Jennings Bryant. Later the threat to them came from Teddy Roosevelt. So they talked him into becoming vice president to McKinley–knowing that the Vice Presidency is not worth a warm bucket of piss. They believed they had him bottled up. Then the unexpected happened: McKinley was assassinated and Roosevelt became president. The breakup of Standard Oil ensued, and in time JP Morgan was summmoned before a Congressional Committee, and treated in such a manner that it broke his heart and contributed to his subsequent death. He felt that he had been betrayed by the county, inasmuch as he had three times bailed it out when it was in financial trouble only to be treated like this. His holding Morgan Bank and General Electric survive.

  22. Update: It’s going to get worse: France to vote for UN recognition for Palestine. Appeasement never works, it only encourages and drives extremists. This is another demonstration of Obama weakness and the unraveling of American power and prestige as the West cannot even feign unity of purpose in a region which only respects strength. We’ll soon be another step closer to war, regional and possibly worse.
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    Superb analysis.

  23. Kissinger told Romney as I look around the world today in every direction what I see is not American power, but American weakness, which will lead to the great unraveling of the world order. Yet big media is like the old Tammy Wynette song stand by your man. And the dimwit who said it was quite correct: he is THEIR savior, at least for now. The next great unraveling will come with the implementation of Obamacare. I speak from experience when I say the easy part is doing the deal, the tough part, where the entire enterprise goes on the rocks, is when you attempt to implement what you have agreed to. At that point, you encounter encounter friction, blind alleys, hidden costs, competing agendas, unintended consequences. According to an article I read in Harvard Business Review, 70% of all mergers fail. With Obamacare the odds of failure are higher. And because that will be a domestic issue, it will resonate with the electorate and will be harder for big media to cover-up. Instead of blaming Bush, big media will, with the permission of Obama, blame Republican governors for the failure of his signature program, which NYT called the greatest civil rights victory since 1964 at the time of its passage. Obama care will not fail at the court level, Roberts has already proven that he is not up to that, it will fail at the state level, which is where the rubber meets the road. As such, it will through the health care industry into chaos, because vendors, caregivers, hospitals and employers do not know which way to go. And Obama will freeze up, read a speech, big media will applaud his candor and courage, and the issue will go unresolved. We are speaking here of a confluence of a dysfunctional chief executive, a dysfunctional media, a dysfunctional party. No good can come of that. With so many things collapsing on all fronts now, there will be pain, and no one will be spared. The hope is that out of the ensuing chaos a new paradigm will emerge. At the end of his term, I wonder whether there will be much appetite to put the hideous vision of Obama on the side of Mount Rushmore, as many of his supporters are now keen to do. He is an object lesson in failure writ large.

  24. ———————–
    Not in my book. The Hillary I see today is not the Hillary I saw in 2008.

    ——
    Gotta disagree with you wbb on this, Hillary in 2008 was running for President, won the popular vote and went silent politically for awhile before she agreed to be SOS

    She also decided over a year ago to step down at the end of Barry’s first term.

    Is she her own boss as SOS, nope.

    Is she the same Hillary that has worked her buns off for four years, keeping Barry on track as much as she could? Yup.

    Do I still respect her, yes indeed.

    Do I wish she had called out every crooked deal Obama and Thugs have done, even stealing the pimary, oh yes………..but I don’t claim to know what is going on behind the scenes and I hope to God, she gets to lay way donkey down in the mud, sooner rather than later.

    Hillary doesn’t have to work hard to help women to build her reputation, she has been doing this all her adult life, this is her passion and I admire her for it.

    Now I will get attacked by some on the blog for supporting Hillary. Go for it.

  25. Three Republican senators who met Tuesday with U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice say they left the meeting with more unanswered questions about her comments after the deadly September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

    “I am more disturbed now than before,” said South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.

    The Capitol Hill meeting lasted about 90 minutes and also was attended by acting CIA Director Michael Morell.

    Graham was joined by Sens. Kelly Ayotte, of New Hampshire, and John McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    “I’m significantly troubled by the answers we got and didn’t get,” McCain said.

    Rice continues to be discussed as one of the top candidates to replace Secretary of State Hillary Clinton when she steps down next year.

    However, the senators said after the meeting they needed more information about the attacks and the aftermath before making a decision on how they might vote on a potential Rice nomination.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/26/rice-to-meet-with-top-gop-senators-after-their-objections-to-her-replacing/

  26. A sober post mortem on the 2012 election by a close friend of mine, and former Hillary supporter, who has the gift of prophesy, and is worldly wise in the field of politics. She is not as gloomy as I am about the current situation, to which I see no good answers–and that is a good thing. Without question she is more courageous. It is always dawn. But she does believe there will be a major change in this country which will shake up our politics, our media, and most of all our lives. She sees the endgame of this process as pain followed by renewal and advancement. Here is her assessment.
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    The election is over. All of the “swing states” went for Barack Obama. The Republicans for the office of the Presidency were trounced.

    The only saving grace for Republicans, and I believe for the country, is the fact the Republicans remain in firm control of the House of Representatives and the Democrats did not gain enough in the Senate to reach the 2/3rds majority to enable shutoff of filibuster. This means that if President Barack Obama wants anything through Congress, he will have to work with the Republicans or the federal government will be in a state of gridlock for the next four years.

    Then there is Benghazi. I pray the House of Representatives will not let this issue go. There were four Americans murdered including the Ambassador from the United States of America. It is clear the Obama administration attempted a coverup of the events leading to the death of these four. In short, they lied.

    The Obama foreign policy is in shambles. The Middle East is a complete mess with dictators being replaced with worse, the Islamists. Israel no longer trusts the United States to be at their back. And Obama goes off to Burma for what?

    And this at a time when there are millions in the USA that are in dire need of federal assistance to get their lives back from the hurricane and storms that hit the east coast. It is ironic that many of the states affected voted for Obama and that now federal response to their plight has been pathetic. There was little, if any, prepositioning of assets before the storms.

    We have to live with a President who wants to lead this country down a path that many of us do not want to go. Where we have the power to stop the slide to more and more government, there should be no compromise.

  27. As the results of the Arab Spring continue to show themselves in clearer light, Islamists in Libya have kidnapped 12 homosexual men and announced plans to kill them.

    The kidnappers are members of the “Private Deterrent Force,” which is believed to be part of the Nawasi militia group.

    They kidnapped the men from a private party in Tripoli on Nov. 22nd and have not made clear when they plan to kill them yet. Their actions demonstrate the fact that Sharia has come to Libya, and Islamists are ready to make examples out of those who offend Islamic law.

    This episode brings to mind again the death of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Benghazi and the foreign policy failures of the Obama administration. It raises anew the question the Serbian consulate asked just days after Stevens’ murder — why was a homosexual ambassador sent to a country full of militant Islamists this hostile towards homosexuals?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/26/Islamists-Kidnap-To-Kill-Homosexuals-In-Libya

  28. ‘Talks’ begin on ‘Fast and Furious’ gunrunning operation

    The lawyers for both sides told U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson they met Monday and would continue, but preferred to do so without the assistance of the court. The judge scheduled a status conference for Jan. 10.

    Republicans lawmakers on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee have filed a civil lawsuit asking the court to enforce a congressional subpoena of Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. in his refusal to turn over documents sought in the investigation. House Speaker John A. Boehner said at he time the lawsuit sought to overturn the Obama administration’s “frivolous executive privilege claims,” forcing the Justice Department to make public documents the committee claims could show who at the department was aware of the botched investigation and what they did about it.

    Mr. Boehner said President Obama and his staff were ignoring an Oct. 11 congressional subpoena — something the courts have long recognized as valid — and that lawmakers were left with no choice but to ask the U.S. District Court in Washington to referee.

    The House voted a contempt of Congress citation against Mr. Holder on June 28 in a 255-67 vote for his refusal to turn over subpoenaed documents in the Fast and Furious investigation.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/27/talks-begin-fast-and-furious-gunrunning-operation/

  29. Israeli Americans File Suit Against U.S. Government For Funding Terrorism

    Obama and his ultra radical administration have supported the Islamist movement across the Mideast, helping to legitimize the radical Muslims winning power by calling it a democracy movement. Americans who live in Israel see terrorism clearly and know the Palestinian Authority is not a friend of peace or Jews.
    Americans in Israel have had enough of Obama funding these radicals:
    http://lonelyconservative.com/2012/11/israeli-americans-file-suit-against-u-s-government-for-funding-terrorism/

  30. The Lost Irony in the Tax Debate

    Posted: Nov 27, 2012 | Author: Daniel Horowitz

    There is an uncanny irony that has emerged from the bowels of the tax fight – one that is lost in all the banal details of the pitched battle. Democrats have fallen in love with the Bush tax cuts, which they fought so vociferously to block in 2001 and 2003.

    While the Democrats are demanding that we raise taxes on the rich, they are stridently demanding that we extend the Bush tax cuts for the rest of American taxpayers (or non-taxpayers). The irony is that Democrats spent several years during the Bush years protesting how the Bush tax cuts were nothing but handouts for the rich. Now, they are correctly asserting that if we don’t extend the Bush tax cuts, low and middle income earners will be severely hit. Woops!

    Democrats will never have the intellectual honesty to give Bush (and Reagan) the credit for lowering taxes (and in some cases, granting negative tax liabilities) for low and middle income families, but the reality is that the Bush tax cuts made our tax code more progressive than ever. Bush lowered rates in the middle and at the bottom, eliminated the lowest bracket, doubled the child tax credit, and fixed the marriage penalty.

    Over the years, Republicans have lowered taxes substantially towards the bottom end of the income scale with every tax reform package. In 1981, the first year Reagan was in office, only 19.6% of tax units had no tax liability. In 2009, according to the Tax Foundation, 40.9% of tax filers paid no federal income taxes. A number of households towards the bottom end make several thousand dollars off the tax code, as a result of the expansion of the child tax credit and the earned income credit (and Obama’s Make Work Pay Credit in 2010).

    The declining tax burden on the bottom half of income earners is reflected in the increased progressivity of the tax code since Reagan. In 1980, the top 1% paid 19% of federal income taxes. In 2009, they paid 36.7%. The top 5% went from paying 36.8% of the tax pie to 58.6%. The bottom 50% (mainly those near the 50% mark) paid 7% of all income taxes in 1980. Now they are responsible for just 2.25%.

    Now that those tax rates for the bottom half of income earners are slated to expire, Democrats are suddenly waking up to the fact that the Republican tax rates have sustained millions of families for over a decade. Instead of using the impending expirations as a weapon to leverage tax hikes on the rich, Democrats ought to muster the courage to credit Bush for those tax rates in the first place.

    It’s time to repudiate the lie of Bush’s tax cuts for the rich; it’s time they give Republicans credit for alleviating the income tax burden on millions of Americans.

    And while almost half of households don’t incur an income tax liability, they all suffer from the regressive taxes of Democrat regulations and market distortions. So while they thank Bush for lowering income taxes on the working class, they should start apologizing for devaluing of our dollar and implementing green energy mandates, CAFÉ standards, Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and EPA regulations.

  31. Israeli Americans File Suit Against U.S. Government For Funding Terrorism
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    Sovereign immunity.

  32. Shadowfax
    November 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    ‘Talks’ begin on ‘Fast and Furious’ gunrunning operation

    The lawyers for both sides told U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson they met Monday and would continue, but preferred to do so without the assistance of the court. The judge scheduled a status conference for Jan. 10.
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    Jackson is an Obama appointee. That’s the problem . . . . And, as we know, Obama appoints people based on their politics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Berman_Jackson

  33. Crowd of 300 sexually assaults three women in Tahrir Square!

    The Mona Eltahawys and Wael Ghonims and Sandmonkeys have much to answer for. They blocked (as in football) for these savages. And Obama? This is his legacy no matter who writes this history books. He owns the deliverance of secular Muslim countries into the hands of Islamic supremacists and jihadists. Decades of pain and suffering will be his lasting legacy.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/crowd-of-300-sexually-attacks-three-women-in-tahrir-square.html

  34. Jackson is an Obama appointee. That’s the problem . . . . And, as we know, Obama appoints people based on their politics.

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    Unfortunately, I don’t have hope for anything at this point in time, F&F or anything else.

    I am searching for real hope, but so far…nada.

  35. The French government have never met a terrorist group against Israel they have not
    embraced, so no big surprise.

  36. Holy smokes Leanora, the photo of all those protesters is amazing.

    One thing that should be pointed out in your link was the reaction of other protesters toward those three women that were raped:

    [snip]

    After the assault, which took place near the Qasr al-Dobara Church that is used as a field hospital in the current protests, the women ran to the nearby Mugamma administrative building in Tahrir Square, the Al-Ahram journalist present wrote about the incident.

    Their assaulters followed them there, but the employees of the building closed the doors to block them out. Dozens of other demonstrators, who had been holding a sit-in in the square, then beat the assaulters with sticks and rocks to disperse them, and took the women to their tents in the center of the square.

  37. foxyladi14
    November 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Stunning footage.

    LSM will ignore and not report for fear of interfering with the pos’s ME fairy tale.

    Shameful

  38. No Quarter –

    “Jaw-Jaw is the War-War”

    My information is that the triad of Morsi of Cairo, Erdogan of Ankara, and the Emir Hamad of Qatar conferred and agreed upon a peace plan for Gaza that they then sent to POTUS Obama enroute to Southeast Asia. POTUS passed the peace proposal onto PM Netanyahu without comment or direction. That was Saturday, November 17.

    My information is that the proposal is absurd, and that is said to be a compliment. Israel will continue to participate in the talks with Hamas, through go-betweens, however the probability of Hamas agreeing to anything credible is said to be low.

    The jaw-jaw of negotiation is the war-war. The multiple voices in the parley include , in addition to the triad named, also the king of Saudi Arabia and his counselors. POTUS Obama is said to be much on the telephone to both Morsi of Cairo and to Netanyahu of Jerusalem.

    Am told that POTUS Obama is demanding concessions by Israel that are unrealistic, such as lifting the blockade of Gaza at sea. Am told that The war-war will continue at its present confused and haphazard way, with rockets fired at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Dimona, at the same time IAF continues to destroy the Hamas structures.

    Human Shields

    What is to be done? The Middle East is in a regional war. The dark hand is Tehran that is guiding and funding the rocket firings from Sinai.

    A resupply of Fajr-5s said to be enroute, either overland from Sudan to Sinai and Gaza, or on the Med from Hizballah stores in Lebanon. Civilian casualties will be the way both sides keep score.

    The latest report of 500 Egyptian citizens crossing into Gaza to act as human shields introduces and possibility of escalation from catastrophe. The other part of the threat is Hizballah in Lebanon. My information is that Hizballah will not open fire with its rockets on North Israel until and if Tehran orders. Also the Syrian civil war is unpredictable just now.

    In Jordan, the king is said to be fragile, hanging on a fated thread, as the well-armed Moslem Brother faction can rock Amman at will. In sum, the next weeks are as unpredictable as promises of peace. Israel is looking at the November 29 UN Security Council meeting as a turning point.

  39. Shadowfax, thank you for standing behind Hillary, I’m with you, she’s more experienced than in 2008, more seasoned, and she has proved time and time again that she’s extraordinary in all she does.She accepted with humility( not everybody has it) a position for Obama because all she wants is to serve her country and give sense to her life, she makes tough decisions and sticks with them. As is my understanding this is still a pro-Hillary site eventhough we have some differences and don’t agree 100% with all what Hillary does.She is human, ünperfect, but she’s great and authentic, she’s not done yet and we ( a lot of us) are not done with her either! I don’t like BC very much but I admire and adore her! way to go HILLARYis44, I love this site!

  40. Harry Reid would like the senate to ratify this treaty by the end of this week. Please call your senators and urge them to vote against it.

    The United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD) poses a serious threat to the right of parents with disabled children to make decisions on behalf of those children regarding their education, medical care, and other areas of life.
    http://parentalrights.org/index.asp?SEC={5518816F-CE05-4294-8F90-C41AD67C94D2}&Type=B_BASIC

  41. I had not been over to NO QUARTER to read comments in a long time. No wonder Larry Johnson now only allows the first few comments to be printed. What happened over there?

  42. Shadow, my support for Hillary goes back to her days in the Senate, and I contributed significant money to those campaigns for no personal reason than I believed she had the wisdom and experience we needed in the senate. Thereafter, I supported her financially and in the field during the 2008 primary. The policy she executes today is the opposite of what she advocated as a candidate. As a matter of fact, she dismissed as cloud cuckoo land the notion that we could sit down with the leaders of Iran etc. within the first year, and she was very clear that if Iran planned to use a nuclear weapon on our ally Israel, then the United States would obliterate them. It is called deterrence. Nobody believes Obama would do that, therefore our enemies are free to tweak the nose of the United States and threaten Israel with annihilation once they have the bomb. No leader of Israel will sit still for another Holocaust. Therefore war is rather likely, and then we shall see Obama freeze up again, like he always does. Like it or not, the Obama foreign policy is in shambles, and Hillary is wise to get out.

  43. He quotes Micheal Reagan at the very end and I don’t like that. That gives it away. But what else would you make of the rest of it? If true they are all playing a dangerous game, including Hillary. I think we should focus on being good citizens of the planet and mind our own store, get our economy on a stronger footing. Call it naive but I don’t like to partner with the Saudis or do their bidding or any of the other unsavory characters.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51346

  44. A good comment to Larry’s article concerning Susan Rice:

    KenoshaMarge • 8 hours ago −

    Evidently the left doesn’t think she has the gravitas to be SoS either or they wouldn’t have to roll out their endless insistence that the only reason anyone is picking on the poor thing is that she’s female and black. If they had better arguments they would use them.

    However they have become so intellectually and morally bankrupt that all they can think to do is race-bait or weep crocodile tears because the big mean mens is picking on a gurl. Senator Kelly Ayotte is also unhappy with Susan Rice but she isn’t mentioned because that doesn’t fit their scenario.

    I waited most of my life to see women, of any color, in positions of importance. What I want from them is the same as from a man, competence, character and honesty. This woman seems to fail on all three. So far as I know competence, character and honesty have neither color nor gender.

    If she can’t take the heat, she better damn well not be put in the kitchen!

  45. pm317
    November 27th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
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    another excellent article by the same writer. Could you post tomorrows’s article as well, which is part II? This needs to go viral.

  46. Southern Born
    November 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
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    He has got bots on his site. Scottymac for one.

  47. Morsi is the to contender for Times Person of the Year. Fluke is also a contender for Times Person of the Year. Time Magazine is an anachronism.

  48. wbboei
    November 27th, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Shadow, my support for Hillary goes back to her days in the Senate,

    —-
    wbb
    When I said I had to disagree with you above, it was because of how I felt, how long I have stood by Hillary since she was First Lady and how long I have wanted her to be President. I understand how you feel, just that I feel differently about her now than you do.

  49. I think this is brilliant. A few years back when someone put a Crucifix in a jar of his own urine and titled it ‘Christ in Piss’ the leftists thought it was a wonderful work of art. Let’s see what they think about ‘Obama in Pee Pee’.

    Surely, progressives will celebrate the artistic genius in this exhibit.
    Or, will they cry out that their savior has been defiled?
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/glenn-beck-dunks-obama-bobblehead-in-pi-calls-it-art/#comments

  50. wbboei
    November 27th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
    Morsi is the to contender for Times Person of the Year. Fluke is also a contender for Times Person of the Year. Time Magazine is an anachronism.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Won’t it just go to Obama? (Not for his accomplishments in the first term, but for the Possibilities of what he can accomplish in the second)…

    As for Morsi, I’ve also seen it spelled Mursi. Is this another Khaddafi, Ghaddafi, Quaddafi??? What’s next? Merci. More-see. Herman Munster.

    I think he’d make fine “Person of the Year”, if you mean, Big Impact, not Positive Big Impact. Like in 1939, you could have nominated that German feller with the Charlie Chaplin mustache, you know, for “shaking things up”.

  51. Leanora
    November 28th, 2012 at 7:08 am
    &&&&&&&

    Yes, there will be an outcry.

    But don’t worry, the federales are closing in on Glen Beck as we speak. He’ll be detained for questioning endlessly in Gitmo.

    Yeah, that place…the one MoveOn.org protested when Bush ran it, but grew quieter when Resident 44 occupied White House.

  52. The White House announces that Governor Mitt Romney will meet tomorrow with President Barack Obama for lunch.

    “On Thursday, Governor Romney will have a private lunch at the White House with President Obama in the Private Dining Room,” says White House press secretary Jay Carney. “It will be the first opportunity they have had to visit since the election. There will be no press coverage of the meeting.”

  53. Leanora

    It’s Censorship!

    ———
    Really?

    Sorry but this is just another kookie idea of Beck to make a point. Ebay selling something with pee in it is disgusting and would open the door to other creepy things for sale.

  54. Following on their meeting with UN Ambassador Susan Rice, Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC), John McCain (R-AZ), and Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) released a statement bashing her performance and stating that President Obama had serious questions to answer about Rice’s statements in the aftermath of the Benghazi terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of four Americans.

    The text of the statement:

    We respectfully disagree with the White House’s statement today that ‘there are no unanswered questions’ about Ambassador Rice’s September 16 Sunday show appearances and the talking points she used.

    Around 10:00 this morning in a meeting requested by Ambassador Rice, accompanied by acting CIA Director Mike Morell, we asked Mr. Morell who changed the unclassified talking points to remove references to al-Qaeda. In response, Mr. Morell said the FBI removed the references and did so to prevent compromising an ongoing criminal investigation. We were surprised by this revelation and the reasoning behind it.

    However, at approximately 4:00 this afternoon, CIA officials contacted us and indicated that Acting Director Morell misspoke in our earlier meeting. The CIA now says that it deleted the al-Qaeda references, not the FBI. They were unable to give a reason as to why.

    We are disturbed by the Administration’s continued inability to answer even the most basic questions about the Benghazi attack and the Administration’s response.

    Beyond Ambassador Rice’s misstatements, we continue to have questions about what happened in Benghazi before, during, and after the attack on our consulate – as well as the President’s statements regarding the attack.

    Perhaps most important, we also need to understand why the U.S. military was unable to respond within seven hours to save American lives in Benghazi and why our consulate was left so unsecure despite a series of previous attacks.

    In more than a dozen letters, we and other Senators have repeatedly requested that the Administration provide answers to our questions. Yet, today most of them remain unanswered. We eagerly await their response.

  55. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    “We respectfully disagree with the White House’s statement today…”

    Any statement starting with that line usually translates to, “I’m about to tell you how much I disrespect you…”

  56. It seems like the only people defending Morsi are the Muslim Brotherhood and the U.S. State Department!

    The emanations from State’s press secretary, Victoria Nuland, are downright surreal, and I delve into them more below. I’ve noted earlier that, beginning with the Hamas-Israel cease-fire announcement last Wednesday, the U.S. State Department hasn’t stopped with the gushing praise for the Egyptian president, Muslim Brotherhood member Mohamed Morsi, who, the very next day, seized an incredible amount of personal power (neutering the judiciary and protecting his own decrees from review, among other things). The State Department’s response to this event, which some deemed a usurpation equal to anything Mubarak ever perpetrated, was notably weak, refused even to criticize the president by name, or bring up any particular transgressions.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334237/state-department-morsi-far-cry-autocrat-patrick-brennan#

  57. Rice blows it again…

    Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) emerged from an almost two-hour meeting with Susan Rice Wednesday morning unconvinced by her explanation of her role after the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi and concerned about her role in denying security requests prior to the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Africa.

    “I continue to be troubled by the fact that the UN ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election … by agreeing to go on the Sunday shows to present the administration’s position,” the top Republican on the Homeland Security Committee said.

    http://thehill.com/video/senate/269865-sen-collins-troubled-by-susan-rices-political-role-in-the-libya-attacks

  58. Leanora
    November 28th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    It seems like the only people defending Morsi are the Muslim Brotherhood and the U.S. State Department!
    ***************

    AKA Hillary. Case closed

  59. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    ********

    I am pretty sure it is apple juice or something close to that. Be real

  60. Bill Clinton seeks help retiring Hillary’s campaign debt (email just landed in my mailbox)

    [snip]

    In a message sent today to Hillary Clinton’s email list, Mr. Clinton asked supporters to help pay down his wife’s lingering campaign debt from her 2008 presidential bid, offering the possibility of a free trip to New York City to spend a day with the former president to any supporter who donates before December 6. Her campaign has winnowed down millions of dollars of debt that totaled $25 million when she ended her bid in June 2008 to $73,000 as of September 30.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57555987-10391739/bill-clinton-seeks-help-retiring-hillarys-campaign-debt/

  61. If Kelly Ayotte seeks a national political role she really needs to see a good voice coach.

    Her voice is just awful.

  62. A comment on UM from America the Beautiful

    [snip]

    Who will bring the truth of Benghazi out with passion? Who has the guts? Where is our leadership? Name a leader who leads? Allan West…any Military not afraid or who hasn’t sold out? Military, your time is NOW…Pannetta is releasing the patriots from the ranks to manage the Sheeple Military…Petraeus is a traitor to the constitution and got to where he sat because he would comply…he is a coward….Meagan Kelly has more balls…

    Those in Congress are well aware Rice is simply fodder…ask Obama these questions. Where are the soon to be retiring senators? At least take a last shot….have we ever seen such weak kneed Republicans…Stop being political hacks and dammit stand up like real men….Sending the likes of Lindsey Graham out is a joke….a. Sad, pathetic, soft mushy little joke…

    IT IS NOW …..OR IT IS NEVER

    ASK:

    IF Obama gave the order to save the Ambassador, military attache and the Seals, there Is a written order…SHOW IT..PROVE IT….

    EXACTLY WHERE was Obama at the time of the attack???..over those 7 hours…

    Why was Obama running missiles and armaments through Turkey, using them as a conduit and into Syria to AlQaeda ???

    Why was the Turkish counsel there in Benghazi??? At a CIA safe house?

    30,000 Missing missiles and Manpads launchers,,,WHY??? Is this Fast and Furious II Missile Running??? Why was the known Arms Dealer’s ship at Benghazi’s port??? This is traitorous SEDITION if the president is arms running…And if as thought to an enemy, Al Qaeda, of the USA?? Do we have a traitor in the WH…

    Ambassador Stevens was raped as reported, was this because the USA stood by and let our supported rebel forces rape Kaddaffi…PAYBACK by Russia…

    Is this a proxy war with Russia?…It would seem so… as Russia is angered with our turn over of their allies Libya and now in process Syria, to the Muslim Brotherhood…Why would this president want to start WWIII?

    Was Russia sending us a message on Election Day with RUSSIAN NUCLEAR SUBMARINES off our East Coast.???

    Who told those Seals to light themselves up with Laser…they would Only have done that if told the Drone above would give them cover and use that light up to draw out and kill the enemy…the Seals did not draw fire to out their position and to get themselves slaughtered? Who gave the order to lie to the Seals toure the laser to get them murdered?

    What is Lochkeed’s part in the direct commerce of Missile running?

    Why is the USA, against our NATO treaty, handing over Stinger Missiles to Al Qaeda, an entity of the Muslim Brotherhood?

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/28/eric-holder-scrambles-to-bury-fast-and-furious-scandal-for-good-r-i-related/

  63. BASIL99
    November 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    If Kelly Ayotte seeks a national political role she really needs to see a good voice coach.

    Her voice is just awful.—–

    I wondered about her and also that woman Collins (I think that’s her name) but felt badly thinking they have something like Michael J. Fox has?

  64. Hillary’s debt… $25 million when she ended her bid in June 2008 to $73,000 as of September 30.
    ******************************

    I think BC and Hillary can pay this, how embarrassing to put that out.

  65. SF,

    I can’t find any evidence she has a health issue causing her voice problem. But she needs to address it if she wants to get anywhere. It is irritating and distracting.

  66. POLL: REPUBLICANS LOSING LIBYA DEBATE

    by JOHN NOLTE 28 Nov 2012, 6:04 AM PDT 221 POST A COMMENT

    Only the Republican party could blow this one: [emphasis added]

    On Libya, 54% of the country is dissatisfied with the administration’s response to the Benghazi attack, with only four in ten saying they’re satisfied with the way the White House handled the matter.

    “But that dissatisfaction is not because Americans see a cover-up,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Only 40% believe that the inaccurate statements that administration officials initially made about the Benghazi attack were an attempt to deliberately mislead the public. Fifty-four percent think those inaccurate statements reflected what the White House believed to be true at the time.”

    This failure to adequately communicate to the public a little something I like to call The Obvious is all about a lack of discipline and organization.

    And as someone who monitors the media 18 hours a day, I’ve seen this failure first hand. Time and again, Republicans unprepared for the media’s pro-Obama talking points show up on CNN or MSNBC or the “Today Show” and are constantly caught off guard. As a result, they look foolish and as though they are driven by partisan politics.

    This never happens to Democrats. Not only are Democrats prepared for almost anything a Sean Hannity or Bill O’Reilly throws their way; they have also, obviously, gotten together to make sure their message is sharp and unified, so that it penetrates.

    We’re awful at this. Simply awful. Not being able to convince even the 48% of those who voted for Romney that the White House engaged in a cover up is like not being able to convince people that water is wet. And until we get better, the Obama Administration and its media allies are going to continue to run circles around us. Even on what should be a slam-dunk like the Libya cover up.

  67. WND is the first alternative website I have seen start keeping tabs on their trolls and report on it.

    WND EXCLUSIVE
    DECISIVE ACTION AGAINST OBAMA’S LEFT-WING ‘TROLLS’
    Pajama bandits seek to stifle thought, discredit right

    NEW YORK – WND Internet forum moderators have conducted extensive studies of leftist, pro-Obama “trolls” who post misinformation.

    In the process, the moderators have blocked from WND forums participants who post abusive language aimed at angering or otherwise insulting forum members, WND authors, management and staff.

    Trolls appear to perform a “disinformation” function typical of counter-intelligence efforts by intelligence agencies to confuse political enemies and refute or deflect opposing political views that are less susceptible to refutation by more traditional methods of debate and argumentation.

    Typically, trolls operating on WND forums attempt to defend Obama by posting specious and diversionary arguments with the goal of changing the subject and obscuring topics that could damage Obama, such as his birth records, life narrative, political history and policy preferences, including his current positions as president.

    Particularly offensive is the proclivity of trolls to use obscene or blasphemous language mixed with personal invective.

    Repeat offenders

    Trolls operate on WND forums under various identities, often using the same IP address but with different usernames and email addresses.

    One troll who was banned from participating in WND forums, was found to have posted more than 4,794 comments over 664 days on a wide range of websites in addition to WND.

    Another posted 3,575 comments over 560 days on website forums in addition to WND that ranged from CNN to Fox News.

    A third troll posted more than 10,000 comments on various user forums, including 4,306 on Fox News alone.

    A fourth posting under different usernames used various email addresses and nine different IP addresses to post 15,200 comments over 787 days on WND and Fox News, as well as several smaller news websites, some of which had a local focus or interest.

    Many of the trolls banned from participating in WND forums appear to have been operating on a professional level.

    Some could be leftist “plants” whose purpose is to damage the reputation of WND by posing as supporters and utilizing offensive language and making obscene claims or suggestions.

    go read the rest here: http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/leftist-trol … -with-wnd/

  68. It’s depressing times and watching “O” gloat and the masses treating him like a deity is hard to take. I really have not watched mainstream news since he first got elected and it will probably have to be that way for another four(4) years. If you want to get the news without any agenda there simply is nowhere to turn.

    PS-a friend of mine agreed with me that “O” will run Michelle and have a third term as we would have had with Bill had Hillary won. I believe this is a real possibility and she could easily get elected given the demographics we saw this past election. Something else to depress me the next four years as well.

  69. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    A comment on UM from America the Beautiful

    sigh… I have not got a single comment through ulstermans site moderator. they have some serious comment moderation going on there.

    I have tried to post about 10+ times now and nothing has passed moderation:
    here are a few:
    mark d
    Your comment is awaiting moderation. November 27, 2012 at 6:38 am
    obama has a ton of people doing this some on this blog…

    I Was a Paid Internet Shill, page 1
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread826545/pg1
    ATS Members have flagged this thread 86 times Topic started on 3-4-2012 @ 10:30 PM by ExShill

    mark d
    Your comment is awaiting moderation. November 16, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham
    By Michael, on November 13th, 2012
    After what we have seen this November, how is any American ever supposed to trust the integrity of our elections ever again? There were over 70,000 reports of voting problems on election day, and there are numerous eyewitnesses that claim that they saw voting machines change

    anywya I gave up trying to post there as they only post what supports their narrative.

  70. Something else to depress me the next four years as well.

    —–
    Oh, just shoot me before things get that desperate!

  71. sirmrks

    sigh… I have not got a single comment through ulstermans site moderator. they have some serious comment moderation going on there.

    ——

    I tried to post there a couple of times but never got though either.

    …serious moderation… YUP.

  72. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    Bill Clinton seeks help retiring Hillary’s campaign debt (email just landed in my mailbox)
    &&&&

    I got that too. Hmmm, 2016 anyone??? 8^)

  73. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
    sirmrks

    I tried to post there a couple of times but never got though either.

    …serious moderation… YUP.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Moderation there provided by Website Insider, or WSI.

    UM: “Can you tell me with what’s up with all the moderation?”

    WSI: “Not at this time, it wouldn’t be prudent, people are watching”.

    UM: “Yeah, but I can’t even comment on my own website”.

    WSI: “We saw what you were going to write, couldn’t let THAT one through.”

  74. jbstonesfan
    November 28th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
    It’s depressing times and watching “O” gloat and the masses treating him like a deity is hard to take. I really have not watched mainstream news since he first got elected and it will probably have to be that way for another four(4) years. If you want to get the news without any agenda there simply is nowhere to turn.
    &&&&&&

    Agreed, it is better that we take up hobbies rather than cause our eyes to bleed and brain to rot watching MSM lick Dear Leader’s boots.

    Suggestions:

    * knitting
    * foreign language (may I suggest Iranian)
    * target shooting
    * yoga

  75. Ooooo Rgb, wow…I had no idea.

    —-

    Moderation there provided by Website Insider, or WSI.

    UM: “Can you tell me with what’s up with all the moderation?”

    WSI: “Not at this time, it wouldn’t be prudent, people are watching”.

    UM: “Yeah, but I can’t even comment on my own website”.

    WSI: “We saw what you were going to write, couldn’t let THAT one through.”

  76. Rgb

    I got that too. Hmmm, 2016 anyone??? 8^)

    ———
    What’s the protocol for retiring a debt before you run for office? Is it just the ‘right’ thing to do or some sort of rule?

  77. Leanora
    November 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    President Barack Obama singled out the American ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, for praise at a cabinet meeting today.
    &&&&&&

    Whatta guy!

  78. Caveats: This is humor. Mitt Romney is first on the list.
    HUMOR
    The Least Influential People of 2012
    Any magazine can do a year-end list of influential people who have accomplished far more than most of us ever will. But only GQ possesses the iron testicles to count down the twenty-five least significant men and women of 2012—a collection of people so uninspiring that we should round them all up and stick them on an iceberg. Please note that these folks are ranked in no particular order, because all zeros are created equal.
    December 2012
    7. Michelle Obama
    It was a game effort by the first lady to get Americans to eat healthier. She founded the “Let’s Move!” campaign to get our children to contemplate forward locomotion. She even wrote a book about growing her own vegetables, which many people bought as a passive-aggressive way of telling someone they’re fat. And yet we’re still all hopeless corpulent shits. You tried, Mrs. Obama. You really did. Sorry we’re such poor listeners. Now why not join the winning team and indulge in this delicious pint of Häagen-Dazs Caramel Cone ice cream? It’s so rich and sweet and delectable. Come on. REWARD YOURSELF.
    http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201212/least-influential-people-2012#slide=7

    Picture at link of Moochelle raiding ice box.

  79. Apparently, Barack Hussein Obama’s statement about the people associated with the Prophet Mohammed film, ‘Innocence of Muslims,’ was prophetic:

    “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
    – Barack Obama, 9/25/2012 in address to the general assembly of the United Nations.

    An Egyptian court convicted in absentia Wednesday seven Egyptian Coptic Christians and a Florida-based American pastor sentencing them to death on charges linked to an anti-Islam film that had sparked riots in parts of the Muslim world.
    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/11/28/egypt-court-sentences-in-absentia-seven-coptic-christians-and-one-us-pastor-to-death-over-anti-islam-film/

  80. holdum’

    Obama voters already feeling ‘Buyer’s Remorse’
    … A brand new poll from Rasmussen Reports indicates that fully 50 percent of independent voters expect the economy to be weaker over the next year. Before President Obama won his second term, just 19 percent felt the same way….

    ——-
    Yea, just wait until the young obots get the bill for Obamacare, they will be charged the highest rates for health insurance in 2014 and will have to pay a fine if they opt out. And they thought they should get free birth control pills. 😆

  81. Don’t SAY that! PLEASE! I will never survive if that happens. Bad enough to see the purple-lipped pinhead day after day but if the wookie takes over I’m done for. And I agree the obots would vote for the fat slob. They’d think they were voting for Orca.

    “PS-a friend of mine agreed with me that “O” will run Michelle and have a third term as we would have had with Bill had Hillary won. I believe this is a real possibility and she could easily get elected given the demographics we saw this past election.’

    (I must confess I have been thinking the dims will run another black candidate no matter how incompetent and ill-qualified. Look how well the race card has worked for them thus far.)

  82. This is brilliant.

    After the Crack-Up
    Conservatives need to support their arguments with creative storytelling.

    By Lee Habeeb & Mike Leven

    Excerpt:

    The dominance of the Left in the storytelling arena is making a difference at the polls. It’s impossible to measure, but anyone who doesn’t think it skews outcomes is living in an alternative universe.

    The fact is, it’s easier to sell a political narrative to America when it comports with the cultural narrative we see and hear every day.

    “The universe is made up of stories, not atoms,” the poet Muriel Rukeyser once said. Stories, not facts, are the way people process information. Screenplays, plays, scripts, and stories are packed not with hard data but with something more powerful and human: emotional data. That’s why we remember stories long after we’ve forgotten facts. Stories stir our souls.

    And we’re not talking about the anecdotal stories politicians deploy to inject humanity into their stump speeches. We’re talking about the narrative of our nation. The story of America. The story of who we are, how we got here, and what we’re to become.

    It is extremely serious business, that kind of storytelling.

    Plato understood the power of storytellers. It’s why he wanted to ban them in his dream society. Wisely, the Left understands the importance of storytelling and dominates almost every aspect of it in the culture, from content creation to distribution. Regrettably, too few conservatives think storytelling matters.

    We’ve invested billions in our great think tanks but little in the task of translating that work into stories the average American will care about. Yes, we have Fox News and political talk radio — important outlets, but outlets that narrowcast to the conservative base and are driven by politics and opinion, not storytelling.

    What we don’t have is an alternative to NPR. Or The Daily Show. Or 60 Minutes. Or The Charlie Rose Show. Or Frontline. Or Ken Burns. Content that doesn’t scream its politics at the audience but that lures America in with great storylines, not lectures.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/334080/after-crack-lee-habeeb

  83. Greta talking to McCain about his talk with S. Rice on the Benghazi attack….

    The whole discussion is interesting.
    One question Greta asked is why Rice went on the talk shows and not Hillary, the SOS?

    McCain said he asked Rice that question and her answer was………

    “She was tired.”

    ……….

    Duh huh?

    Sounds like the wife’s comment that she has a headache….

    More like, Hillary wasn’t about to fall into this trap of lies while Rice couldn’t wait to go blow smoke up America’s a$$ for her Dear Leader.

  84. When I was much younger I dated the son of the then, Lebanese Priminister. He was studying here in America. His father and Uncle were each priminister and his uncle was assasinated and there were several attampts on his fathers life by Yasser Arafat and the PLO. We have long since lost touch but a very old friend of Lebanese origin (a Christian) still is close friends with this man and his family. My Christian Lebanese friend is a conservative and doesn’t like a thing about Obama. I often talk to him about world affairs and politics. Knowing that we share the same concerns about what Obama’s love for the Muslim Brotherhood is doing to the world I asked him what my old boy friend thought of Obama. My friend told me: ” he doesn’t like him. He thinks he is a radical.” So a moderate Muslim who’s family was in power for years in Lebanon thinks that Obama is a radical. That is pretty alarming. I didn’t ask if he meant a Muslim radical because I know that Obama is an atheist and not a Muslim. He was taught Islam and was a Muslim in his youth but he is a stone cold atheist. But I took the term radical to mean that he is a radical leftist and they always take the side of savages and evil. They would never support America or the word of God. I told my friend that I didn’t believe that Obama was a Muslim because I have meet nice people who identify themselves as Muslims. I understand that many of these people long to know a true God and his true prophets but they have never had a choice or freedom of religion. Aspostacy is punishable by death in Islam. So no Obama is not a radical Muslim he is a Godless self loathing low down bath house Barry. He is as dangerous as any man who actually believes that Mohammed is a true prophet and as radical as any Jihadist.

  85. Rice comes across as an idiot. And over-educated idiot, which is the worse kind of idiot there is.

    Years ago, I served as head of a political action committee for the cattle industry, to get certain legislation passed. I should add that my efforts were not crowned with conspicuous success, largely because we were fighting some very big corporation, IBP, Con-Agra and Cargill–and the Democrat and Republican candidates they had very much in their hip pocket. We went to east Texas–south of Tyler, we held a legislative forum with my friend and Congressman Ralph Hall in attendance. There, we met a certain cattlewoman who was related to New Orleans chef–Prudholm, and she said something which rings true of Rhodes Scholar Susan Rice: our children were doing fine til we sent em away to college and they educated the goddamned common sense out of them. In the department of common sense, Rice is especially deficient. What kind of idiot accepts the brown helmet job assignment of going on 5 networks, lying, and then expects to be confirmed for the SOS job by the representatives of the very people she lied to. Evidently, she buys the hype that whatever Obama wants he get. Not likely.

  86. Shadowfax

    Hillary did assist Obama in spreading the lie about the video. She even made it a point to tell the father of the slaughtered Navy Seal that we were going to get that guy who made that video and prosecute him. She told him this at the ceremony while the caskets draped in American flags were being taking into the hanger for the counrty to see. Bill and Hillary are about the only two people on earth who could have stopped Obama in his tracks back in 2008. But shile Hillary supporers were waiting to get her her role call at the 2008 democrat convention, the Clinton’s chose to negotiate a sweat deal for themselves, leaving their supporters out in the cold and on their own.
    Hillary Clinotn is working to eliminate US soverignty the same way that George H. Bush and every US president since him has, by grandually allowing the UN to have more and more control over US. The UN wants to ban criticism of Islam which means it wants to eleiminate free speech. That is what the lie was all about. It was a manipulation of the self loathing Americans who will rather blame an America who they thought made the video, than to blame Muslims savages for doing what they do best. I supported and volunteered for Hillary in 2008. Lately I just keep asking God for forgiveness for having supported her. She and Bill have not undermined Obama at all. They supported who they knew would win and chose opportunity for themselves not the American people.

  87. he is a Godless self loathing low down bath house Barry.
    ———————-
    Well put.

    Here is Barry, returning to the White House from the endless campaign trail. He and Caligula have much in common.

  88. Wbb

    To me it seams that Rice is of the same mindset as Barry, MO and Jarret…that they are the winning race and will take full advantage because they have the ‘majority’ behind them.

    They think they will not get caught in lies because so far in over 4 years everyone has given them a free pass…they probably don’t believe they even lied….just protected their own best interest.

    Eff all of them and may justice smack them down to where they belong….at least I hope there is still justice in our country.

  89. Juliette

    I’ve disagreed with you many times over the past few years and you can join the ranks of those that trash Hillary on a blog that was set up to support her.

  90. Yes, indeed, Shadowfax 12:39. Seems like many feel embolden to trash others beside Barry. He should be the main focus. He is the fraud. He is the problem…period.

  91. Yup Southern Born, it’s hard to come to this blog and deal with the pain of four more years of corruption with Obama and thugs….and to not have Hillary as the common thread among us….I feel more alone than ever before.

  92. I feel like you SHADOWFAX, like if I say something good or positive about Hillary is going to bother others, what a bad feeling in a Pro-Hillary site, I don’t get it, feel tha same way to be between Obots and Republican Hillary-haters. My support for her is stronger than ever because with all her faults she’s very human but extraordinary at every level at the same time.Hillary has served others all her life and has served her country like the best.There are millions standing with her yet.

  93. Here is what Morsi had to say about Barry:

    Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, currently under fire at home and abroad for decreeing his actions exempt from judicial review, had high praise on Wednesday for President Obama, whose administration has raised concerns about Morsi’s declarations but stopped short of condemning them.
    “President Obama has been very helpful, very helpful,” Morsi told Time Magazine. “And I can say really that his deeds coincide with his intentions.”
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/28/egypts-islamist-president-heaps-praise-on-obama-he-has-been-very-helpful-very-helpful/

    That’s creepy!

  94. Larry Mendte’s take on Susan Rice’s Candidacy for Secretary of State (Video)
    So many nagging questions
    Why did Rice tell story to America that wasn’t true?
    Obama focused on campaign
    Rice given talking points
    Rice would not say who gave talking points
    For that reason she should not be SOS
    Unless person at WH who changed talking points wants to step out
    http://landing.newsinc.com/wpix/video.html?freewheel=91044&sitesection=wpix_mendte&VID=23902665

  95. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
    Greta talking to McCain about his talk with S. Rice on the Benghazi attack….

    The whole discussion is interesting.
    One question Greta asked is why Rice went on the talk shows and not Hillary, the SOS?

    McCain said he asked Rice that question and her answer was………

    “She was tired.”
    &&&&&&&&&

    Wow.

    That is about as lame of an excuse as it gets.

    Just say Soozie, “That bee-yotch wasn’t going to go door-to-door trying to sell shit-burgers. But I was.”

    Obviously, word from “up high” (Obama, or his superior, Jarrett) was:

    Don’t admit it was a well-coordinated attack by Alqeda, as it would undermine the narrative just weeks before the election that ‘Obama has Alqeda on the run’.

    I don’t think they even considered letting Hillary go on the dog-and-pony Sunday circuit. “She’s a loose cannon, she never listens to our talking points. We need one of our own out there to spin it the right way. Get Rice to do it, she’s high enough up the totem pole for cred, but not high enough, so she’ll be able to claim plausible deniability”.

  96. Leanora
    November 29th, 2012 at 6:29 am
    Here is what Morsi had to say about Barry:

    “President Obama has been very helpful, very helpful,” Morsi told Time Magazine. “And I can say really that his deeds coincide with his intentions.”
    &&&&&&

    1. “Bayz-boll, have been berry berry good to me. Berry good”.

    2. I agree, Obummer’s deeds do coincide with his intentions (his real intentions, not the ones he states publicly, or on the campaign trail).

  97. President Obama is reportedly scheduled to be vacationing in Hawaii on January 2, the date billions in spending cuts – and untold consequences for the economy – will kick in if a deal is not reached on the “fiscal cliff.”

    According to the Hawaii Reporter, residents who live in the area of Oahu where Obama and his family vacation have been told that the usual restrictions on their movements during an Obama stay will be in place for 21 days, from December 17 through January 6.

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/11/29/obama-slated-hawaii-cliff/

  98. I was told by a friend that a black man representing the Obama Administration went on the O’Reilly program last night and proposed a 1% tax per year on net worth of every American as a way to put our financial house in order and avoid spending cuts. Obviously, this could not happen now and O’Reilly was dismissive of the idea. However, my friend believes that this was a trial balloon by the Obama administration, and it would not happen until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. Big media has done a very successful of painting Republicans as the problem in these negotiation, and of course the Fraudster has scheduled a vacation the day after the nuclear option goes into effect. Therefore, my friend believes the whole thing, as it stands now, is set up to have us go over the financial cliff, tank the economy, and impose just such a tax with the full support of big media, the democrat party and the majority of the country. All my experience in negotiations tells me this is not the most likely scenario, and it is not uncommon to get both sides to look down into the abyss before deciding for sure whether a deal is better than no deal at all. What gives me pause here is two things: first, Obama is a puppet willing to do whatever his masters tell him to do–of that much I am certain. Second, Obama is a sociopath, and is perfectly willing to be the executioner of this country, if that is what the job calls for. I know most people do not want to believe someone they elect is capable of such acts, but they do not realize the extent of his moral depravity, which lurks behind that goofy smile, that seduces the ignoranti. I told my friend that I had considered a variant of that strategy, namely a return to the pre-Reagan tax cuts as a way of sobering up the elites, and responding to the political imperative which the electorate evidently wants namely redistribution of wealth of those above a certain income level, but obviously not them. My friend told me that is your ego speaking, and you have got to get back to fundamental values. We are in a very tough time, the worst is yet to come, and people need to protect themselves. If this tax on net worth goes through, the wealthy will find ways to protect themselves, and the burden will fall on the middle class–and wipe them out. She said we will have to go through this valley of the shadow of death to come out the other side, and then, for those who survive, the word progressive will be as dirty of a word as the word communist was in the 1950’s. My friend is spiritual, a seeer, but not a believer in end times prophesy. Again, she believes that things will be better for those who survive. I take no position on this pro or con, but it is never a bad idea to prepare for the worse.

  99. The other thing is when you play a game of brinksmanship with a true sociopath, his own delusions PLUS the law of unintended consequences make unthinkable outcomes, not only thinkable but possible.

  100. When I was doing labor negotiations and the Teamsters went on strike we would make a big show of going on vacation, so they knew they could not hurt us, etc. The fraudster is pulling the same tactic here, and it tends to confirm the possibility that he is willing to let this thing crash, because it will give him total control which is what he wants. In that case, the Republicans would panic when the defense cut kicked in automatically, and would be willing to give him anything he wants. We will find out soon enough if that is the strategy we are up against. We can oppose this tyranny, but we do not have the power. The people of this country still love Obama, the media will support anything he does, and until that dynamic changes, we will continue to be a voice in the wilderness. Let us hope that when it does change, it is not too late to save the ship.

  101. Shadowfax
    November 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
    Bill Clinton seeks help retiring Hillary’s campaign debt (email just landed in my mailbox)

    The Clintons should pay it off themselves…..they’re filthy rich at this point.

    FYI Chelsea’s fave B&B here runs $1500. per night.

  102. FYI,

    I stopped in at a local gold shop today and the owner told me an intriguing tale. Said his wife is related to the local multi-millionaire and was told of a meeting a while back on Air Force 1 with all the top global and national honchos. The contact was through a relative at the Pentagon. The local rich guy was told to prepare, it’s all going to crash around January 3 and the US is set to go the way of Spain. The Pentagon contact said the meeting was on AF1 to keep out of communication and hacking range and to maintain top secrecy.

    I was at the shop inquiring about buying silver. Our conversation had turned to the economy and the fiscal cliff and we were kindred spirits. He told me there have been a rash of burglaries in the past few months, unusual for this area. He’s hooked into the local and county law enforcement because of his former job as a prison guard.

    He said the word from the pentagon contact is to buy food, guns, ammo and have barter currency ready. I am stepping up my prep efforts.

    Just passing this info on.

  103. Report: Obamas to spend holidays in Hawaii at $4 million cost to taxpayers

    The first family will be vacationing in Hawaii for the Christmas holidays at a cost of at least $4 million to taxpayers, according to a report from the Hawaii Reporter.

    The Hawaiian paper reports that residents living near the beachfront homes at Kailuana Place, where the President Obama and first family have visited annually since 2008, were notified Monday that there will be restrictions on their movements in place for 20 days, from Dec. 17 through Jan. 6.

    The Hawaii Reporter calculated the $4 million cost to taxpayers based in part on the price of a round trip flight to the island on Air Force One, the transport of the president’s support equipment, housing of security and staff and the cost of police to local taxpayers.

    The first family pays for their own rental on the beach, according to the paper.

    The White House Dossier notes that the White House has yet to officially announce the vacation or the president’s travel plans and notes Obama could be in Hawaii on the day the country goes off the “fiscal cliff” if no deal is reached in time.

    The Dossier adds that the vacation could help to add “subtle pressure” the president to reach a deal.

    Author Robert Keith Gray estimated in his book “Presidential Perks Gone Royal“ that last year taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on the first family, compared to the $57.8 million British taxpayers spent on the royal family, The Daily Caller reported in September.

    Last year the Hawaii Reporter estimated the president’s 17-day holiday vacation in Hawaii was more than $4 million as well.

  104. Rice wrote book advocating white students learn black history.

    What history?

    In a 1986 book by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, the future diplomat argued for the aggressive inclusion of a black history curriculum in American schools, claiming that its omission had “crippling effects” by “providing a child with no more than … a white interpretation of reality.”

    The 86-page book, “A History Deferred,” served as a guide for secondary and elementary school teachers wanting to teach “Black Studies,” and was published by the Black Student Fund, an advocacy group where Rice had an internship.

  105. Sound familiar?

    Central to the book’s ambition was reclaiming lost black achievements and giving black children pride in their history.
    *******************************************
    This was necessary, Rice noted in her book’s foreword, because most students were “taught American history, literature, art, drama, and music largely from a white, western European perspective. As a result, their grasp of the truth, of reality, is tainted by a myopia of sorts.”

    “American history cannot be understood fully or evaluated critically without ample study of Black history,” Rice added.
    ************************************
    And failing to teach Black Studies in school, she argued, had negative consequences for the self-esteem of black children.

    “Ultimately, what is more important than the white or majority perception of black Americans is the black man, woman, and child’s perception of themselves,” Rice wrote. “The greatest evil in omitting or misrepresenting Black history, literature, and culture in elementary or secondary education is the unmistakable message it sends to the black child. The message is ‘your history, your culture, your language and your literature are insignificant. And so are you.’”

    Check her pic at this site./

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/29/susan-rice

  106. YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU BROKE IT.

    For those who voted for Obama in 2008, were mildly or more acutely disappointed, but held your nose and voted for him again…You bought their story, you’ll deal with the consequences.

    I see the left wing media are coming forward now, such as Bill Maher. Essentially, “Mr. President, now with no campaigns to worry about, can you finally start implementing all those promises we’ve been waiting for…”

    Ummm, I wouldn’t hold my breath. On the contrary, now he has no incentive to even look busy, to his own supporters. You thought he looked listless, disinterested, disconnected in the first debate???

    I can just hear the decrees.

    O: “As your president, I will not be needing to conduct any more press conferences, even the softball variety. I’m going to be too busy with ‘stuff’ for that sort of thing. And let me remind you, I’m the President. The Decider. Never liked it when Bush said, but I kinda like it now.”

  107. YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU BROKE IT.

    Right, rgb44hrc.

    One of the few pleasures I expect over the next 4 years is LMAO as the obots slowly awaken from their trance to discover they’ve been punked by the pos.

    At least here we know what’s coming and have undertaken safeguards to ride out the storm. The other idiots won’t know what hit them and I will have not the slightest bit of sympathy for any of them. They bought it, they voted for it, they own it. The rest of us will be fine. We’ll emerge battered and bruised but intact.

  108. Rice …. the US votes NO to Palestinian Statehood

    UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY VOTES ON PALESTINIAN STATEHOOD (Foxnews)

  109. Shadowfax
    November 29th, 2012 at 12:34 am
    ——————————-
    True. But the mindset they have is unrealistic. Their greatest enemy is the law of unintended consequences. But they will incite race war on their way out the door. Too many minorities, and ignorant white people follow them blindly. It will take a major catastrophe for that to change. Since we have no control over the outcome, all we can do is protect ourselves, our family and friends from the coming catastrophe.

  110. Hillaryis44 is pro Hillary but to suggest that some of here can’t voice opinions about the change Hillary has embarked on since she became lock arms with Obummer is just not right!

    Hillary is NOT the same person OR I didn’t know her.

    Tell me she is same person who ran, tell me THESE are her policies that she voiced then???? They are not.

    She is different.

    I hope to be able to come to this blog without having to worship Hillary. We detested OBOTS for that, for not calling him out for the things he did.

    Sorry, I love Hillary the person but I don’t love Hillary the politican any longer.

  111. well I am coming around to the let it burn way of looking at things. I thought Romney might be able to swing ut away from collapse but obama just seems to have the foot on the pedal and wants to crash society.

    the takers will be the first ones to suffer and riot. they will be culled by the 400 million rounds of hollow point bought by FEMA. cant believe this is possible but the more I read about what is not being done to avoid the financial cliff and the collapse of our currency the more I think that it is the only thing that will wake up the takers to the fact that they are the ones who will suffer the most.

    Even more unbelievable than the “offer” itself is the fact that the our hack media will go on painting Republicans as the unreasonable ideologues in this equation.

    House Republicans said on Thursday that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, an immediate new round of stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.

    The proposal, loaded with Democratic priorities and short on detailed spending cuts, was likely to meet strong Republican resistance. In exchange for locking in the $1.6 trillion in added revenues, President Obama embraced $400 billion in savings from Medicare and other entitlements, to be worked out next year, with no guarantees.

    He did propose some upfront cuts in programs like farm price supports, but did not specify an amount or any details. And senior Republican aides familiar with the offer said those initial spending cuts might well be outnumbered by upfront spending increases, including at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, an extension of unemployment insurance and a deferral of automatic cuts to physician reimbursements under Medicare…

    [T]he details show how far the president is ready to push House Republicans. The upfront tax increases in the proposal go beyond what Senate Democrats were able to pass earlier this year. Tax rates would go up for higher-income earners, as in the Senate bill, but Mr. Obama wants their dividends to be taxed as ordinary income, something the Senate did not approve. He also wants the estate tax to be levied at 45 percent on inheritances over $3.5 million, a step several Democratic senators balked at. The Senate bill made no changes to the estate tax, which currently taxes inheritances over $5 million at 35 percent.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/29/report-obamas-fiscal-cliff-offer-to-republicans-calls-for-1-6-trillion-in-new-taxes-and-end-of-debt-ceiling-in-exchange-for-nothing-basically/
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-blasts-secret-fiscal-cliff-negotations_664187.html

  112. oops there should be a break between suffer the most and “Even more unbelievable”
    it didnt take the page format.

  113. House Republicans said on Thursday that Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, an immediate new round of stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.
    ————————————-
    That is an opening proposal. The thing to bear in mind here is that Geithner is a creature of the banking industry, and he owes his ultimate loyalty to them–not Obama. The Republican Party needs to embark on a scorched earth communications campaign so the public fully understands precisely what is a stake here–in their own lives. I can tell you for sure, in that proposal there are must haves, intend to get, and red herring issues. The Republicans should take the weakest part of the Obama proposal, and show the public what it would destroy. I would set the Democrats up in such a way as to march them to the edge of catastrophe and then let the back pressure build on them to the point they break. Be smart and be aggressive.

  114. several Democratic senators balked at.
    ————————-
    Don’t even go there. They will do whatever the party demands of them–just like good Germans. It is a waste of time to place any hope on any member of the Democrat party. Worse, it is a dangerous delusion. Let history be our guide.

  115. Wbb
    Since we have no control over the outcome, all we can do is protect ourselves, our family and friends from the coming catastrophe.

    —-
    I agree, and it’s difficult for those of us that don’t have much to hunker down with, but if it isn’t going to be an attack from the ME, it will be that our currency will be worthless and it will take some big hero to pull us out of this mess.

    All so darn depressing.

  116. sirmrks

    the takers will be the first ones to suffer and riot.
    —-
    Yes, and their ‘leadership’, like BO, Nasty, Reid and the rest have their own pile of $ so it won’t effect them.

  117. The corollary is counting on the left wing media to come to its senses is a similar exercise in self delusion. Friends tell me that as they lose business they will change. Not so. They have crossed the rubicon. There can be no hope for our country until these liars are seen for what they are, and no longer listened to. As Pat Caddell said, they are the enemy of the people.

  118. So the Islamists in Egypt kicked out the moderates when it came to a vote on their constitution, which passed with flying colors today…

    And where is the reporting on the protest in Egypt????

    Where is Anderson Cooper and CNN that normally cover this news? Where is any video on what is going on there today and yesterday?????

    WTF

  119. If I were bargaining for the Republicans, I would assume that he is just a puppet, and the representative he has at the table–Geithner, is a shill for the banks. I would assume, further, that the banks will be devastated if we go over the financial cliff, therefore, there is a point beyond which they will not allow the Obama administration to go. Like any negotiation, the early stages are full of bluster, and it is not until you get down to the deadline, that you see who is swimming without a bathing suit. I think I would bargain tough on the tax increase on the wealthy, with some give, but only if there was a contemporaneous agreement for spending cuts–because that is where the greater threat lies. I would waste no time on the rest of those proposals, and use them for political advantage to demonstrate the adverse impact they would have on everyone.

  120. Where is Anderson Cooper and CNN that normally cover this news?
    ————————–
    They are an arm of the Obama Administration.

  121. They are an arm of the Obama Administration.

    —–

    I know, but why has all the media gone silent on this????
    Are they trying to prop up the brotherhood by not showing the violence over there now, or did all the thousands of protesters just go home????

  122. dot48,

    I agree. I would have to think seriously about whether I could vote for her should she run again. She is a different person than she was in 2008 an I am no longer a devoted follower. She change and so did I.

  123. Drudge has a pic of hazy Hillary behind Obama with a headline that reads “why so secret?”

    dot48, I am disillusioned with her too and would not vote for her again. A week ago I unsubscribed from CGI — I gave them money every year but won’t this year. I don’t like all these other commenters here admonishing people like us who don’t fawn over Hillary. I want them to explain her behavior with respect to Benghazi. Or at least give us room to vent. This blog has become more than Hillary for many of us. It is opposition central for all things Obama and we will call her out when we see her embracing Obama wholeheartedly which she is doing in this Benghazi thing.

  124. Drudge also has a link called Buyers remorse and a Gallup poll on Obama. It is not a drop, it was the fake votes that pushed it up. He never got past 47% or 49%.

  125. Shadowfax,

    “Are they trying to prop up the brotherhood by not showing the violence over there now,”

    You betcha.

    Same way they tied themselves in knots to avoid covering Benghazzi or, when it was mentioned, insisted it was Mitt’s fault or that of some crackpot amateur filmmaker who is now in prison.

    As late as this week Joe Klein was blaming Benghazzi on the film even after Rice had testified that, hey, she might have been mistaken about that.

    They are the lowest form of scum – the presstutites, I mean. They learned all about the journalistic code and threw it out the window when their childhood fantasy of being black without the consequences was handed to them on a silver platter ala the pos.

    We are paying for their sick perverse wet dreams.

    It is beyond depressing.

    Even if you don’t have much to hunker down with you can still stock up on food and water and get a shotgun. Honestly. Be prepared to defend what you’ve got. I am not kidding. See my post at 2:32.

  126. Like some other posters here, I am sick of all the Hillary bashing. I used to enjoy coming here, but now it seems that the comments section has been taken over by Republicans.

  127. In negotiations, there is something called the mutually prominent alternative. As the debt ceiling negotiations go down to the wire, the mutually prominent alternative is Simpson Bowles. If the go over the cliff because Obama demands more than Simpson Bowles, then when the economy tanks, he will get the blame. If I were the Republicans, I would drive him against that wall, and dare him to take it down. I would. I think he would fold. More important, I think that Geither and the people he represents would jerk Obama’s chain. I am as sure of that as I am of anything. But as I have stated before, he is unquestionably a sociopath. Therefore, I would have a back-stop for this when he goes blatto.

  128. Shadowfax
    November 29th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
    ———————-
    I think we are fighting the equivalent of the Cold War in the middle east. It is a war with China, Russian and Iran. And we are fighting it through surrogates. Our allies are Saudi Arabia, and Europe. It is a war that we will eventually lose. We have allied ourselves with the Muslim Brotherhood on the assumption that they represent a counter force which can stabilize the Middle East, from Egypt, to Lybia, to Syria. In my view this is a dreadful mistake. One day we support al Qaeda, and the next day we fight them. Meanwhile they kill our soldiers. It is one the same order of mistake as Charlie Wilson’s War which led to Bin Laden, al Qaeda, Castro et. al. Over the years, the New York Times has played a pivotal role in elevating these insurgent forces to the level of legitimacy, only to find that when they do achieve power, they turn on this country like a snake, and the New York Times pretends they never supported them.

  129. This gets back to the whole concept of style vs substance. The ignoranti see only what is in front of them. If the man smiles and seems friendly, they do not see the knife he is holding at their throat. Knowing that, it is unfortunate that they do not have someone who can present a non-threatening face to the Republican position. Someone who can appear to be nice but drive a hard bargain. I am trying to think of who that might be. If Jennifer Dunn was still around she would be ideal. There are pushing this Cathy McMorris up the ladder in leadership, why I don’t know. I suspect I would have her around visible. On the issue of style, the Republicans have an image problem, and an implacable foe in big media.

  130. Jen the Michigander
    November 29th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
    Like some other posters here, I am sick of all the Hillary bashing. I used to enjoy coming here, but now it seems that the comments section has been taken over by Republicans.
    ——————–
    Jen there are plenty of HRC supports still reading. However, no sense in starting arguents until we know what we are fighting for. In addition, there is no better way to build a stronger position for Hillary, than to understand her weaknesses. In discussing HRC with potential voters, they will know them all. The question is how do we persuade them to give her her rightful chance. That is if HRC decides to go through HELL again and run.

  131. Did anyone see Lincoln. I saw it yesterday. It gives you a great idea about what Lincoln had to go through to make the Civil War an outcome that would preserve liberty for all people. Lincoln, a Republican, had a living hell of an administration, and a challenging home life. Yes, he wrote some of the greatest speeches we have ever heard, and he understood exactly what he had to do to get his legislation through, and he used every trick he could to assure its passaged. Was it justified. I think it was. I don’t like the dirtiness of politics, and will always fight against it. But I understand that many of the freedoms we enjoy today were obtained not by the most admirable methods.

  132. During the Bush years, the problem was the Republicans, so we went after the Republicans. During the Obama years, the problem is the Democrats, so we go after the Democrats. Frankly, I don’t know any other way to do it. At some point, we may find a candidate who will represent the people rather than the special interests. Should we find such a candidate, then I for one will support that individual.

  133. Okay, some people say they will not vote for Hillary. So maybe they think the future of the party is someone better like Michelle Obama or how about another giant ego like Chris Christie or aother young rock star like Rubio…or Jindal. Haven’t we just been down that road with Obama?

    I still want someone with experience, qualified…not cool rock star status…and smart who loves American and is willing to work hard every day for us.

    Sorry folks, but right now, Hillary fits that bill.

  134. NewMexicoFan
    November 29th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
    Jen the Michigander
    November 29th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
    Like some other posters here, I am sick of all the Hillary bashing. I used to enjoy coming here, but now it seems that the comments section has been taken over by Republicans.
    ——————–
    Jen there are plenty of HRC supports still reading. However, no sense in starting arguents until we know what we are fighting for. In addition, there is no better way to build a stronger position for Hillary, than to understand her weaknesses. In discussing HRC with potential voters, they will know them all. The question is how do we persuade them to give her her rightful chance. That is if HRC decides to go through HELL again and run.
    ____________________________________________________

    I have mixed emotions about Hillary at this point, but I do want to address those chastizing Bill’s email to help bring down her debt when it is so relatively small at this point.

    Do you really think it is about the money? C’mon, you know better than this. Bill is testing the waters early to see how much ground support Hillary still has and to start building up funds for 2016.

    His email “plea” has me convinced Hillary will take a year off to re-energize and run in 2016.

  135. Southern Born

    I still want someone with experience, qualified…Hillary’s got character, strength, a great sense of humor…and smart who loves American and is willing to work hard every day for us.

    Sorry folks, but right now, Hillary fits that bill.

    ———
    I feel the same way….

    And others can find the person they trust more, they can sing that person’s praises while we stand by Hillary.

  136. wbboei
    November 30th, 2012 at 12:48 am
    During the Bush years, the problem was the Republicans, so we went after the Republicans. During the Obama years, the problem is the Democrats, so we go after the Democrats. Frankly, I don’t know any other way to do it. At some point, we may find a candidate who will represent the people rather than the special interests. Should we find such a candidate, then I for one will support that individual.
    ____________________________________________________

    Not going to happen. This past election both candidates spent close to a BILLION dollars each to win a job that pays over the term 1.6 million dollars.

    Our tax dollars and future legislation are the repayment for the special interest investment in the candidate. We the People are an afterthought.

    Follow the money trail because it is the special interest, not the candidate, that your vote is truly electing.

  137. NewMexicoFan wrote:

    Jen there are plenty of HRC supports still reading. However, no sense in starting arguents until we know what we are fighting for. In addition, there is no better way to build a stronger position for Hillary, than to understand her weaknesses. In discussing HRC with potential voters, they will know them all. The question is how do we persuade them to give her her rightful chance. That is if HRC decides to go through HELL again and run.

    —————————-

    I agree that it can be helpful to address and understand Hillary’s perceived weak areas. However, I don’t think the way to achieve that is to repeat talking points from far-right Republicans who have suffered from Clinton Derangement Syndrome since long before anybody had ever heard of Barack Obama. To be sure, the mainstream media cannot be trusted, but I don’t think we should believe everything we hear from Fox News, Breitbart, or right wing bloggers. Those people have their own agenda and part of that agenda involves tearing down Hillary so they can run Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush in 2016.

  138. I loathe this picture:

    http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/fhiZ8KFps2ya14k0pMyJhA–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNDk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg–/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-11-28T210018Z_384082530_GM1E8BT0DSY01_RTRMADP_3_USA-OBAMA-FISCAL.JPG

    She wants to play with the big boys and get dirty. You guys can have her. That does not make me or other critics here a Republican. I think we are all looking for some ideal regardless of the party label, country before party. But go ahead, make my day. Adios!

  139. sadly the clintons are all thats left of the democratic party without them there is no way to return to the democrats of the past. obama has destroyed the brand and the trust. you may be unhappy with her but she is all we have left. hopefully she can shake off the “taint”(warhammer40k reference) of obama and his policies but it will be difficult to forgive bill and hill for supporting obama in his second term let alone his first.

    maybe they also decided that they needed to “let it burn” because the entitlement mentality and the taker generation needed to be burned back a little by a national crisis.

  140. VotingHillary
    November 30th, 2012 at 1:31 am

    On one thing we agree. I don’t think, after the personnel slams that Hillary suffered, that she should pay one cent of her debt from the campagin. That is the least we can do.

  141. Jen the Michigander
    November 30th, 2012 at 1:43 am

    Sorry I went to bed.

    I could not agree more.

    However, the media has become far too predictable, especially those who seem to have the same old grips, fears, and political positions. I think we are getting close to the media being tuned out. We are tuning out the news broadcasts. In fact their are fewer and fewer listening to the evening news. People are seeking out their own news and even validating it. I think the media is becoming less relavent. The typical Hillary bashers will remain such, but not listened too like they use to be. Just my opinion.

  142. As to the leadership of the Democratic Party. Right now is it rotten. HRC and WJC must mire through this rotten mess and regain the leadership in order to change it. It is either that, or form a new party. He was not called William Jefferson Clinton for nothing. They both want to save the Dems, and I think they will do pretty much anything to accomplish that. In fact thing most of us will not like. They believe in the end result, just like Lincoln did.

  143. It sounds like the democrats want war – – – just like Lincoln did!

    In a stunning embrace of political terminology normally associated with political polarization and vile anti-Americanism, top Democrat Party activists, led by long time progressive leader Robert Borosage, have launched an initiative to push economic warfare against conservatives and Republicans.

    http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/11/campaign-for-americas-future-top.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmericanPower+%28American+Power%29

  144. VotingHillary
    November 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am
    —————————-
    Never say never. We have come through other dark times.

  145. Didn’t you think the President would give you a decent lunch, Mitt?

    Romney drops in to McDonald’s just hours before White House meal with Obama

    😆

  146. It sounds like the democrats want war – – – just like Lincoln did!
    —————————————————————-
    Which is not to say the Democrats are like Lincoln. Then as now they are the antithesis of Lincoln. Lincoln sought to preserve the union, whereas the democrats aim to divide us as a nation–through race baiting, gender baiting, and age baiting. Lincoln believed in political and freedom whereas the Democrats will put us so much as the mercy of the state that we will become indentured servants. The Republicans under Bush had some of these same tendencies, and remain the unforgiven. But Democrats have taken their follies to new heights. The goal of both parties is to disenfrancise the American People and to promote global economic consolidation. And that is why we must do what we can within the limits of the law to fight the party in power.

  147. There is one more point to be made here. You can express misgivings about what Hillary is doing without being a Hillary hater. Likewise, you can consider the viewpoints of FOX news, without being a Right Wing Republican. In fact, leading advocates of Hillary have appeared on FOX News to explain and lament what has become of their party. Even if you remain a staunch democrat, there are things about your own side that your own party will not tell you. A friend of mine has reported to me repeatedly that this is not the same FOX News we saw in the 1990s that chased Clinton over the Lewinsky thing. In many respects they have evolved. And so for that matter have I, just seeing what has occurred in the past 12 years, and what it harbingers for our future. It has confirmed my view, that every political party is a conspiracy against the American People, and the political class in Washington is the permanent enemy of the American People.

  148. NewMexicoFan
    ——————-
    I sure hope you are right about the media being tuned out. My concern is that they remain a major influence on hundreds of millions of lost sheep, by practicing the techniques of Goebbels. They promote Washington DC interests and do not look out for the average American. O’Reilly talks about being on the side of the folks. If that were true, and if it was the goal of big media, then we would have a political system responsive to the people, rather that the special interests and the agenda of ideologues whose monstrous ideas push us the road to disaster.

  149. wbboei

    There is one more point to be made here.

    You can express misgivings about what Hillary is doing without being a Hillary hater.

    Likewise, you can consider the viewpoints of FOX news, without being a Right Wing Republican. In fact, leading advocates of Hillary have appeared on FOX News to explain and lament what has become of their party.

    ———–
    I completely agree.

  150. wbboei
    November 30th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    ———————-
    Correction: Lincoln believed in political AND ECONOMIC freedom–the homestead act, etc.

  151. BASIL99
    November 29th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
    dot48,

    I agree. I would have to think seriously about whether I could vote for her should she run again. She is a different person than she was in 2008 an I am no longer a devoted follower. She change and so did I.
    ——-

    I agree

  152. VotingHillary
    November 30th, 2012 at 1:39 am
    ************

    And Hillary has supported the fraud each step of the way, not to speak of BC. I will support the best candidate, but Hillary had opportunity to stand up for America and chose party, she is part and parcel of the cover up of Benghazi.

  153. Newt has never been my favorite, but some of what he said on Greta last night made sense to me…

    Gingrich: The fiscal cliff is an ‘artificial invention’ of Washington, GOP should do what’s right for the American people

    [snip]

    GINGRICH: Well, I think this whole fiscal cliff language is designed to maximize a sense of fear that’s nonsense. The very same people, the Congress and the president, who invented the fiscal cliff — this is all an invention — could break it down into 12 foothills, or 15 foothills or 20 foothills. They could tackle one problem at the time.

    I agree with what I understand Senator Jeff Sessions has said — and I think he’ll be on your show later — this ought to be out in the open. We’re rushing towards a secret deal made in secret meetings where nobody will know what’s going on, and then people will be told, Boy, if you don’t vote for this, we’ll go over the cliff.

    Well, I think there are a lot worse things than going over a man-made cliff that I think is entirely artificial. And I think the reality is, the President of the United States has not come forward with any serious spending cuts. What the Democrats are proposing is to take the tax increase now, and then sometime next year, eventually, possibly, we might have some kind of entitlement reform. That’s a really bad deal for the American people.

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2012/11/30/gingrich-fiscal-cliff-artificial-invention-washington-gop-should-do-whats-right-american-

  154. Hillary Clinton’s stock is on the rise (By Jules Witcover)
    ———————–


    wbboei November 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm: “Not in my book. The Hillary I see today is not the Hillary I saw in 2008.”
    ======

    Unless you’re carved in stone, you are not the same person now as in 2008 either. Nor am I; and I refuse to judge someone by past actions and decisions alone, unless they were mistakes, in which case a responsible person will take the hit and move on, not dwell on them as you seem to be doing.

    After the 2008 election, Hillary had a choice to make and, like many of us here, I hoped she would not accept the Secy of State appointment. I can only assume that she did so in order to serve the country at a higher level than her seat as junior Senator from New York.

    You hold that decision against her because of your contempt for her boss Obama. I do not hold that decision against her, because I have followed her actions since then pretty closely. I have followed the State Dept site, have a Google Alert out for news of her, and I read the QDDR that she commissioned, which was published in 2010.

    You hope that “… she will find the time to reflect on what was and what might have been. I think she will opt to build a women’s global initiative, to tear down the patriarch which rules the world, especially in places like the Middle East.”

    Frankly, a statement like that shows how little you know about what she has been doing as Secy of State and, for that matter, what she has been doing for all of her adult life.

    If you had read the QDDR and followed her statements and actions, you would realize that building “a women’s global initiative” has been her agenda all along, and that she has made remarkable progress in that direction – especially in the 150 or so countries that do not come under the klieg lights of the evening news and that most Americans have never even heard of; but also in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, and above all Afghanistan, where she has consistently pressed for the rule of law and supported the development of civil society, which means NGOs, staffed mainly by women.

    Instead, the occasional articles that I’ve posted about Hillary over the years, including the one to which you are reacting here, have been generally ignored on this site, where our sole purpose now seems to be to knock down Obama and anything related to him, including Hillary Clinton.

    When I come here, to a site that bears Hillary’s name and was the first to do so, and see statements of distrust, disgust, lack of respect for a civil servant who has taken her job with utmost sincerity and verve, and who is probably the person most qualified for the presidency that we will see in our lifetimes, poo-pooing the notion that 2016 will be her year unless she does this or that to your liking, and saying “…she may find her voice…. In that case, I would be tempted to support her…”, oh dear, how she must be searching for ways to have your precious support. To statements like these, my only reaction is:

    You.Gotta.Be.Kidding.Me!!!

    Do some homework.

    It’s too late to brush up on State Dept activities over the past 4 years, or to refer to the articles I’ve posted here. But at least go read the QDDR and discover what Hillary wanted to do, because she has done exactly what she wanted to do while you weren’t looking, and what she has done is a great step forward for the country.

    This is why “Hillary’s stock is on the rise,” because a lot of people have been taking note while we were busy trashing Obama. If her stock is not on the rise in your book, your portfolio is seriously lacking in any better alternatives.

  155. Jeswezey

    …When I come here, to a site that bears Hillary’s name and was the first to do so, and see statements of distrust, disgust, lack of respect for a civil servant who has taken her job with utmost sincerity and verve, and who is probably the person most qualified for the presidency that we will see in our lifetimes, poo-pooing the notion that 2016 will be her year unless she does this or that to your liking, and saying “…she may find her voice…. In that case, I would be tempted to support her…”, oh dear, how she must be searching for ways to have your precious support. To statements like these, my only reaction is:

    You.Gotta.Be.Kidding.Me!!!

    ——-
    BRAVO, your entire post is something I wish I had said.

  156. FTR,

    After what the dims have done to this country over the past 4 years I would have difficulty supporting anyone affiliated with them.

    That does not make me a Repub. I am a registered Indie. But I have no trust in the dims past, present and future. I think they jumped the shark with the pos and it’s going to be impossible to turn that ship around anytime soon and especially not before 2016.

    As a matter of fact I would not be surprised if jbstonesfan’s fear they will run the wookie might not come true.

    A third party candidate is another matter and could serve as a reset. Problem is third parties are not viable.

  157. jeswezey
    November 30th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    ————————
    Great! I said something much like this not long ago, and I’m delighted with your comment: “poo-pooing the notion that 2016 will be her year unless she does this or that to your liking, and saying “…she may find her voice…. In that case, I would be tempted to support her…”,

    Sing out, Louise! (that’s from “Gypsy” the Merman version–ok, so I’m old)

  158. Lincoln believed in political AND ECONOMIC freedom–the homestead act, etc.
    ~~~~

    You are repeating what you were taught in school. I once believed it too. Then I began reading about the history of that period myself.

    Actually, according to Jefferson and Madison, there was nothing illegal about leaving the union if the people of a state were dissatisfied. When several states did this in 1861, Lincoln could have let them go peacefully. Slavery would have died out as it did in every other country where it was practiced. But instead – against the advice of his cabinet members – Lincoln ended Habeas Corpus, had his opponents thrown in jail, launched a military invasion without the consent of congress, issued the first draft in history, issued the first income tax in history – both of which were struck down by the court – caused the deaths of 650,000 soldiers in the field and untold deaths and damages to civilians. The numbers can never be known, since after Sherman’s march many small cities and towns simply disappeared. The south remained under military control until 1877 when Rutherford B Hayes finally ended the military occupation.

    I’m sad to have to say that I no longer believe that Lincoln was a man who valued freedom.

  159. lil ole grape
    November 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    God, I hate revisionist history.

    😆

    Put on your tinfoil hat, Grape.

  160. So, the Fiscal Cliff has wiped the Benghazi/ Petraues/ F&F stories off the news cycle, just like the Egyptian protests?

    Crickets everywhere………

  161. jeswezey
    November 30th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Instead, the occasional articles that I’ve posted about Hillary over the years, including the one to which you are reacting here, have been generally ignored on this site, where our sole purpose now seems to be to knock down Obama and anything related to him, including Hillary Clinton.

    When I come here, to a site that bears Hillary’s name and was the first to do so, and see statements of distrust, disgust, lack of respect for a civil servant who has taken her job with utmost sincerity and verve, and who is probably the person most qualified for the presidency that we will see in our lifetimes, poo-pooing the notion that 2016 will be her year unless she does this or that to your liking, and saying “…she may find her voice…. In that case, I would be tempted to support her…”, oh dear, how she must be searching for ways to have your precious support. To statements like these, my only reaction is:

    You.Gotta.Be.Kidding.Me!!!

    I think that the main reason for this is a change in perspective. With the help that the Clintons provided Obama in getting re-elected, there is now doubt as to whether or not there is any light between them with regard to foreign or economic policy. We had always knocked Obama on his economic or foreign policies and shielded Hillary from criticism. The question that we need to ask ourselves is where is the evidence that Hillary disagrees with any of Obama’s policies? If she does not disagree with his policies, then it is only fair that she be criticized for it as well.

    We always claim that Hillary Clinton would have governed differently and would have taken us in a different direction had she been president in 2008. Where is the evidence of that? Bill and Hillary seem to agree with everything that Obama has proposed. All the talk about the Clintons speaking in code is all speculation. As it is right now, there is no reason to believe that they disagree with Obama in any way. There is no reason to believe that they would have governed differently. If this is the case then it is perfectly reasonable for Clinton to be criticized along with Obama.

    It is pretty easy for those who still refrain to criticize Bill and Hillary to convince Clinton supporters who have started to criticize them along with Obama. All they would have to do is to present a policy position by Obama that Bill and Hillary disagrees with along with the evidence that they indeed disagree with Obama’s position.

  162. God, I hate revisionist history.
    ~~~

    Me too. They should teach the truth about history in the first place. Then people won’t be disappointed when they learn about it later on. We don’t need the teachers choosing our saints and sinners for us. We are smart enough to decide.

  163. Would Hillary Clinton have governed differently?

    Hell yes.

    First, she knows that the POTUS is supposed to run the business of the nation and she knows how to do that. Everybody blames Bush for the crash, and he owns a big part, but the fact of them matter is that the bottom occurred AFTER O was in office. Even in February, after he took office, he was crowing how he could turn it around. Amateur-idiot. H would have been right on it. And let’s say we would not have a healthcare bill if it was not done right. It is the divisiveness brought on by the fascist nature of the O administration that is ripping the country.

    The Democratic Party had a golden opportunity that they gave to a 2-bit grafter with islamo-facsist attitudes, sympathies and behaviors. Men. They wanted war instead of peace.

    Just think of what the POTUS will face in 2016.

    We are half of the whole. A system that excludes us is destined to fail. Think about muslim women and what they will face as the Muslim Brotherhood takes over the middle east. Do not be fooled. We must support Hillary Clinton.

  164. shadowfax,

    All going according to pan.

    And the fiscal cliff garbage is a either a deal which has already been decided or an opportunity for the pos to let it occur and then get credit for lowering everyone’s taxes.

    It is all BS.

    I’m sticking with my theory it’s all going to explode – by design – in the very near future and best thing to do is prepare yourself.

  165. Good comment rickya.

    I have not and do not intend to criticize the Clintons. I will, however, express my disgust and repulsion for the dim party. Period. The party has trashed me and does not deserve my respect or support. I doubt that will change anytime soon. The pos has another 4 years to accelerate his destructive policies. By that time it may be impossible for another party to rise to power. I fear an Egyptian style soft dictatorship. The 25% of Americans who helped put the pos in power do not care the rest of us are going broke. (Roughly 50% of eligible voters turned out.) They don’t pay for anything anyway.

    However, I am still convinced the election was a setup and everyone, it seems, went along with the theft.

    But if all Americans had gotten off their butts and out to the polls it would have been more difficult to pull the fraud off so I blame my fellow citizens even though the election was stolen.

    From what I understand some Conservatives refused to vote for MR. If that is true they deserve everything coming down the pike just as much as the fools who voted for him.

    There is no solution right now, IMHO. It’s a time to hold onto the seat of your pants and hang on for dear life. Who knows where this will end or if there will ever be another election?

    I am not optimistic.

  166. jeswezey
    November 30th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    —————————–
    If I have offended you I am sorry. When you say people change that is true in most cases. But if you are morally centered then your values do not change. And you have a right to measure the people you support in terms of those values. Let me speak personally about all that, so you can understand my point.

    As a candidate, Hillary advocated a set of values that were very compatible with my own. After eight years of Bush, she was a breath of fresh air. Suddenly, we had a candidate who was willing to promote and implement a set of policies that would unite the country, grow jobs, and create an economy which could compete in the world. All boats would rise with the tide.

    She was opposed by a candidate who was the spawn of the Chicago gutter, whose resume was bare as a goat’s ass and long as a whores dream, and was clearly a shill for globalist interest.

    For those reasons,I traveled across the country for Hillary, blogged, challenged the RBC, pressed superdelegates,contributed significant sums of money, only to see her lose out do to cheating. That broke my heart.

    When Hillary decided to throw in the towel and campaign for him, Taylor Marsh and others jumped on board, but I did not. Frankly, the spectacle of it sickened me, and I did what I could to continue the fight, to make sure this would be dictator was not elected. At that point, I found myself on opposite sides than the Clintons. So I made excuses for them.

    When Hillary was appointed Secretary of State, I assumed that she would lend gravitas to the position and preserve the foreign policy leverage we had enjoyed since the end of the Second World War. The pro-Israeli positions she advocated as a candidate (which being pro Palestinian yourself, you probably disagreed with). Kissinger was asked recently what he saw as he looked at American Power today around the world and he replied weakness wherever I look. Those hopes and aspirations were dashed as well, and I found myself still making excuses like she has to follow the boss’s edicts, even when they are wrong.

    After the 2010 election, I hoped and prayed that Hillary would challenge the fraud. I was ready to follow her to the gates of hell, if that was to be. There were periodic glimmers of hope, but nothing came of it. Yet another disappointment. On the other hand, I knew how toxic the race issue had become, thanks to Obama, Kaine and Van Hollen, plus big media. So I excused her, saying she does not want to divide the party, etc.

    But there comes a point when you can no longer suspend disbelief. A point when all the explanations and excuses just don’t make sense any more. A point when you realize for the first time that the only coherent explanation is the pursuit of power. And when that pursuit can no longer be reconciled with the values you believe in, suddenly, the bloom is off the rose. For me, Benghazi before/during/after was the come to Jesus moment.

    When you say we are not the same people we were four years ago, that would include me. So perhaps you would be willing to share with us what you did to help get Hillary elected, and how you have changed since 2008, if at all.

  167. Obama Warns Congress: “I’ve Been Keeping My Own Naughty And Nice List”

    …Now, of course, Santa delivers everywhere. I’ve been keeping my own naughty and nice list for Washington, so you should keep your eye on who gets some K’NEX (toys) this year. There are going to be some members of Congress who get them, and some who don’t,” President Obama said Friday at a rally where he pushed Congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. LINK
    Read more in News

    And here is what senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett was reported to have said days before the election:

    The part that really stuck out to me was when I overheard the rep say that Jarrett told them, “After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”

    Ulsterman

  168. Homeland Security graduates first Corps of Homeland Youth

    October 7, 2012. Vicksburg. The federal government calls them FEMA Corps. But they conjure up memories of the Hitler Youth of 1930’s Germany. Regardless of their name, the Dept of Homeland Security has just graduated its first class of 231 Homeland Youth. Kids, aged 18-24 and recruited from the President’s AmeriCorp volunteers, they represent the first wave of DHS’s youth corps, designed specifically to create a full time, paid, standing army of FEMA Youth across the country.

    On September 13, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security graduated its first class of FEMA Corps first-responders. While the idea of having a volunteer force of tens of thousands of volunteers scattered across the country to aid in times of natural disasters sounds great, the details and timing of this new government army is somewhat curious, if not disturbing.

    http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42012/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-homeland-youth/

  169. Shock Video: Syrian Rebel Massacres 10 Unarmed Prisoners

    Your tax dollars at work

    “New footage posted on the Internet appears to have been filmed by a Syrian rebel who points the camera along the barrel of his gun as he shoots 10 unarmed prisoners,” reports Reuters.

    The graphic clip shows prisoners lying on the ground begging for their lives before they are gunned down. One pleads, “I swear to God that we are peaceful,” before being slaughtered.

    After the massacre, the gunman shouts “Allah Akbar, Jabhat al-Nusra,” referring to the Nusra Front, an Al-Qaeda offshoot that has claimed responsibility for innumerable suicide bombings in Syria that have killed hundreds of innocent people.

    The massacre occurred in Ras al-Ain, a town close to the Turkish border that has seen fierce clashes between rebel forces and government troops in recent weeks.

    “It certainly is a very disturbing video, and it is important to establish what happened,” Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, told Reuters.

    As we have previously documented at length, the Obama administration is funding and helping to arm Muslim extremists in Syria who openly display their contempt for the United States by burning American flags in public. Many of these militants are not even Syrian – they are foreign mercenaries led by Al-Qaeda terrorists that killed U.S. troops in Iraq.

    The White House has signed off on over $200 million dollars in “humanitarian aid” that has gone directly to Syrian opposition forces. In addition, Obama recently rubber stamped a separate deal to use taxpayer money to support Syrian rebels with “non-lethal aid”. The New York Times admits that the CIA is helping steer heavy weaponry to the rebels on the Turkish border paid for by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    Western leaders have completely failed to condemn the plethora of bombings, assassinations, massacres and brutal acts of torture carried out by these “rebels” and in some cases have all but lauded their acts of savagery.

    I am throwing in character breaks so this clip does not automatically pop up.

    http:// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_-Ugl_CwA&feature=player_embedded

  170. Basil,
    I have not and do not intend to criticize the Clintons. I will, however, express my disgust and repulsion for the dim party. Period.

    ——-
    Personally, I appreciate that and agree that the Dim party is full of snakes and rats, just like the Repub party.

  171. While the idea of having a volunteer force of tens of thousands of volunteers scattered across the country to aid in times of natural disasters sounds great, the details and timing of this new government army is somewhat curious, if not disturbing.

    ——
    Why didn’t they train out of work adults for these jobs? Why young, impressionable kids to work for FEMA?

    I agree, this is bs.

  172. Since this has been such a sinking week on Big Pink, I propose we put a little Friday music up like admin used to do….

    Here’s one for henry, where ever you are.

  173. Re the FEMA corps … wondering if it’s sort of like the CCC and WPA — public works jobs established to provide employment for young people who had no jobs during the Great Depression? A lot of good came out of those. Of course, anything coming out of this administration is bound to smell bad whether worthwhile or not.

  174. Americorps is a creepy organization which turns out arrogant, cultish young people. I know. There were always several AC teachers in the inner city schools. They were horrible before the pos took office and I can only imagine how much worse they are now.

    Think OWS.

  175. wbboei
    November 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
    Leanora
    November 30th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
    A case that supports your theory–lock em up and throw away the key, etc.
    ********

    Thanks wbboei. Here’s a little more about Lincoln if you can stand it. This explains his relationship with the Plains Indians.

    Lincoln’s victims were not just the states, both Southern and Northern, but the Indian nations. His conduct toward the Indians revealed his duplicity.
    http://www.vdare.com/articles/lincolns-other-war-of-aggression

  176. gonzotx
    November 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Hillary’s debt… $25 million when she ended her bid in June 2008 to $73,000 as of September 30.
    ******************************

    I think BC and Hillary can pay this, how embarrassing to put that out.
    &&&&&&

    Of course, they could pull $25 mill out of their metaphorical butts…

    But sometimes an activity has other uses/motives. Fund-raising is often coupled with “awareness”, enthusiasm for a cause, etc.

    So them going around asking for money is a vehicle for dialog, about…the weather??…the (your favorite team here)???…or trying to reclaim the Dems from the Obamacratic Party, in preparation for 2016.

  177. Shadowfax
    November 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Oh God, the kiss of death or is he already over Obama??

    Rangel: I don’t see’ how anyone could be better qualified’ for presidency than Hillary Clinton
    &&&&&

    Sigh, the mysterious wheels of sucking up slowly bubble to the surface…

  178. Rgb

    Of course, they could pull $25 mill out of their metaphorical butts…

    😆

    I needed a good laugh, thanks for that.

  179. wbboei
    November 30th, 2012 at 12:48 am

    During the Bush years, the problem was the Republicans, so we went after the Republicans. During the Obama years, the problem is the Democrats, so we go after the Democrats. Frankly, I don’t know any other way to do it. At some point, we may find a candidate who will represent the people rather than the special interests. Should we find such a candidate, then I for one will support that individual.
    &&&&&&&

    Sad to say, but “that candidate” is hiding behind that flock of unicorns…

  180. rgb44hrc
    November 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    gonzotx
    November 28th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    Hillary’s debt… $25 million when she ended her bid in June 2008 to $73,000 as of September 30.
    ******************************

    I think BC and Hillary can pay this, how embarrassing to put that out.
    &&&&&&

    Of course, they could pull $25 mill out of their metaphorical butts…
    ____________________________________________________

    rgb, you need to reread the line about Hillary’s debt. She has $73,000 left as of Sept. I do believe she or Bill could easily pull that out of their “metaphorical butts.” LOL. Loved that phrase.

    This is why I posted earlier that the plea has nothing to do with her debt. It is laying down early ground game for 2016 run.

  181. Well I went to pumasunleashed. Some people seem to have short menory’s and revisionist history on their side. You will be happy to know Admin you are welcome to post at the site.

  182. rgb44hrc
    November 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
    gonzotx

    **************

    I understand you want to keep the faith, but in all honesty, for 5 years we have been trying to read the tea leaves of the Clinton’s only to see them not only work and support the fraud in the WH, who is destroying this country and putting Israel in perilous harms way along with us, but cheerfully dragged his sorry purple liped ass across the finish line.

    I am tired of tea leaves, I wanted a hero. I believe, Mitt understood and believed in his heart and actions, what America stands for, his life reads like a Readers Digest. Maybe he was too good for us, maybe we deserve exacetly what we got.

    I wanted to leave my children my America, the America that I grew up in. I am afraid we will be seeing that only when we run ‘Mr Smith goes to Washington’ on the Fourth of July.I now have a Mosque where a Baptist church stood for 40 years. There are three nearby, I see women wrapped up like burrito’s hidden from the world. I see Muslim women being lead around like sheep and we do nothing. Sharia law is right around the corner. We have become the land of appeasement. We are Chamberlin.

    I am furious that the Clinton’s helped bring credibility to Satan’s Spawn.

  183. I’m sorry she did this. I take the opposite view.

    Hillary praises the Palestinian Authority and blasts Israel.
    http://spectator.org/blog/2012/12/01/hillary-praises-pa-blasts-isra

    FTA – “There was, of course, a time when Hillary Clinton spoke out against the “hateful rhetoric” of the Palestinians. But alas that time has long since passed”.

    So maybe it’s all just political. Maybe Hillary is saying and doing what she thinks will please her boss. Maybe when she is free from this administration, she will change her mind again.

    Maybe, maybe, maybe.

  184. A Tale of Two Cities – Quite a Frightening Read:
    http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-tale-of-two-cities.html

    “The President of the United States believes the ideas of the founders are better replaced by the ideas of the progressive movement. That is the nation he loves. Barack Obama has CORRECTLY identified that what is stopping him from putting these ideas into realization is the Republican Party. The idea that a majority of people might oppose this is IRRELEVANT. Like his ally in Egypt, the aim of this president is to do whatever he has to up to the rulings of SCOTUS to PROTECT HIS REVOLUTION. Maybe AROUND SCOTUS, and AROUND Congress. This for the greater good, of course”.

  185. Leanora
    December 1st, 2012 at 6:49 am
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    This is very troubling (and, quite frankly, tough to defend).

    Hillary 2016

  186. Here is a great video which starts out with Jay Leno “complimenting” CBS for being first to follow FoxNews’ lead, [video] then cameos others including the Democrat ladies who issued righteous indignation regarding the sexist and racial attacks upon dear Susan Rice SNARK, and then on to the meat: Sarah Palin with Greta. About 17 minutes. http://video.foxnews.com/v/2001101343001/

  187. Hope this is not repetitive info:
    Ambassador Susan Rice Is Financially Tied To Keystone Pipeline Company
    by Eyder Peralta
    November 29, 2012 1:43 PM
    …Needless to say, Rice hasn’t had a great few weeks. Today brings more bad news for her. This time the magazine for the Natural Resource Defense Council’s OnEarth is highlighting the fact that Rice has deep financial ties to the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, which Republicans have championed and environmentalists have opposed.
    The big deal is that the State Department is responsible for giving the go-ahead to the pipeline. Remember, back in January the State Department rejected a proposal by TransCanada to build the 1,700 mile pipeline, which would carry oil from Canada to refineries in Texas. But the administration also encouraged the company to reapply, which means this is one of contentious issue the next Secretary of State will likely have to handle.
    With this news, Rice now has another set of detractors but this time from the other side of the political spectrum…..
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/29/166166977/ambassador-susan-rice-is-financially-tied-to-keystone-pipeline-company

  188. A friend of mine went to Princeton. In his second year, he took a class in economics. One of the first questions discussed in that class was the creation of money. The professor told the class that banks, and by extension the federal reserve creates money. He went home and thought about that for a day. Then he came back to class and told the professor that he (the professor) did not understand economics. He told him what creates money is the live birth of a human being. When that human being completes the education process, enters the workforce, and borrows money to purchase a home, then a bank can monetarize the future earnings of that human being, and that is how money is created.

    Now if that proposition is correct, then it has profound implications in the age of fiat money. It suggests that the root of the financial problems we face today is based on demographics, the fact that when the baby boom generation ( born between 1946-1964) purchased homes the prices went up, and now that they are retiring, and wish to sell them, the prices will go down, based on simple supply and demand economics. And if that is true, then whether through immigration, or financial incentives for people to have children, the demographic curve would smooth out. That is not to say that financial incentives always work. France tried them and they did not take.

    He then ventured an idea which I thought was interesting. If the people who have children are making an investment in the future health of this nation, smoothing out demographic curves, and stabilizing our economic future, then perhaps we should consider a variant of weighted voting, whereby those individuals would hold by proxy the votes of their children until they reach the age of maturity. That way, in a family of four, the husband and wife could cast two votes each rather that 1 each. In addition, they would receive financial incentives. This would be a radical departure from the one man one vote holding of the Supreme Court. But when I look at jurists like Roberts, the thought does cross my mind what do they know.

    My friend is not the only one to think about this issue. The head of one of our on line news organizations was on Lou Dobbs awhile ago, and listed the demographic problem as one of the three biggest challenges we face in this country, apart from the deficit etc. And yet, can you imagine the hue and cry from the hard left if this issue were raised directly. Their goal is a reduction in population, rather than an increase. And, of course, the subject matter itself invites unfavorable comparisons to Germany in the 1930s. The difference here is it would still be voluntary. But even if we were to implement such a policy, it would take thirty years to take effect, for the reasons discussed.

  189. Leonora,
    don’t believe everything you read negative about Hillary, on still4hill.com/ there’s a transcript of Hillary last night : REMARKS AT THE SABAN CENTER GALA DINNER,
    where she talks a great length about how the Palestinians have missed several opportunities in the past to get a good resolution and how she has seen over the years the Israelites tried really hard get things done without results, she talks about Bibi N,Edhu B and others.She’s totally in favor of them, don’t get misinformed so easily, everybody has an agenda, even Fox News (those are the only news I watch, but they never either let go opportunities tondissinformed about Hillary). You’ll love the pics and the presentation, it will be aired on cspan about 3:30pm today Sat Dec 1st.

  190. The Republican Party is a joke.

    When Geithner proposes that Congress be stripped of the power to set the debt ceiling, which derives from their power of the purse, and given to a spendthrift like Obama . . .

    Why, why, why . . .

    Does the Republican Party, not hang him in effigy over that proposal.

    If the tables were turned, is there any doubt that this Administration would do that to them? Is there?

    So if that is the game, I would be saturating the airways with that toxic proposal, and painting the other side out to be precisely the tyrants they are.

    What do they have to lose if they do?

    What do they have to gain if they don’t.

    There are no rules of Hoyle when dealing with this asshole.

    And those who assume otherwise are destined to lose big time.

  191. Vcal
    December 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am
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    The problem here is that Clinton wanted to work with Israel and the Palestinians to reach an enduring settlement. One of the final concessions which Israel would have made would have been statehood in exchange for recognition and a return to the 1967 borders. But then Obama intervened, and insisted that a return to 1967 borders be a PRE-CONDITION to negotiations, and that intervention upset the balance of power in those negotiations, and emboldened Hamas. Subsequently, they fell apart. After those negotiations were scuttled by Obama, we heard precatory words from the administration. But by then, the incentives changed, and a deal of the kind President Clinton worked for was no longer possible.

  192. “You.Gotta.Be.Kidding.Me!!!”

    rickya November 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    “I think that the main reason for this is a change in perspective. With the help that the Clintons provided Obama in getting re-elected, there is now doubt as to whether or not there is any light between them with regard to foreign or economic policy.”

    Glad to see you’re still with us, rickya…

    There are a couple of amalgams already in this first statement above.

    First of all, “the help that the Clintons provided Obama in getting re-elected” has nothing to do with Hillary, but only the “loose cannon”, WJC. I already addressed that question in a post about 2 weeks ago and am willing to address it again; but the subject of my post that you are referring to was Hillary, not WJC.

    Secondly, you expect to see “light between them [Obama and the Clintons] with regard to foreign or economic policy.” I will admit that, in foreign policy, not much light can be seen between Obama and Hillary because she is his main adviser in foreign policy and he is her boss. The real world has it that, in such a relationship, no differences can be revealed to the public. Everything is behind closed doors, as it should be.

    And yet, on economic policy (which is normally not a matter of concern to the Secy of State), Hillary made a clear statement in 2009 to the effect that the rising debt was hampering our ability to act in our own interest and was thus a matter of national security. The statement was widely reported in the press and was even noted in an article here at H44.

    This difference of vision with Obama has only increased since then, as the debt has continued to climb and her 2009 statement is now being repeated by acting Generals.

    You ask, “where is the evidence that Hillary disagrees with any of Obama’s policies?” and my answer is in the preceding three paragraphs, i.e. (1) it is not in her territory to exhibit disagreements with her boss, and (2) she has done so anyway.

    You continue: “We always claim that Hillary Clinton would have governed differently and would have taken us in a different direction had she been president in 2008. Where is the evidence of that?”

    I’m sorry, but this is a rather pathetic question: How can you ever find evidence of a hypothesis? There is no evidence to support or overturn a hypothetical question like an HRC presidency starting in 2009.

    Continuing with this hypothesis, you say, “There is no reason to believe that they would have governed differently.”

    Well, I think there is very good reason to believe such a thing because, by contrast to Obama,

    (1) HRC is incorruptible. She would be dealing with the same powers that be – Soros, Wall Street, for example – and she would be their friend but not their puppet. She’s nobody’s puppet and never has been.

    (2) She has a proven capacity to “work across the aisle” and is widely respected by Republicans. If she had undertaken health care reform, for example, the result would have been very different from the scam we now have to live with, and the Republicans could have got a word in edgewise to boot.

    (3) HRC would never have been taken for a sap in international meetings like the G20 where Obama was practically laughed out of the room. Obama now subcontracts those meetings to Hillary. People around the world would listen to her because she does her homework and has good ideas. In fact, if the people of the world had any say in the matter, she would be president already.

    (4) Experience does count. HRC now has 20 years of experience in national and world politics, and Obama’s experience still stands at the point it was on January 20, 2009: Nada. There is no way and HRC would have resembled the Obama presidency, and no way in the future either.

    (5) Everyone noticed, especially here at H44 but even in the lamestream media, when Obama handed over a crucial press conference to WJC and walked away so he could goof off at a party. In a minute, everyone realized who the president was, or wasn’t. There have been moments during the last four years when Hillary also stood out like the only adult in the room. The Clintons are people who take their responsibilities seriously.

    “It is pretty easy… to convince Clinton supporters who have started to criticize them along with Obama. All they would have to do is to present a policy position by Obama that Bill and Hillary disagrees with along with the evidence that they indeed disagree with Obama’s position.”

    Well, I’ve given you one example above, concerning Hillary anyway.

    Another more twisted example was WJC’s interview with Jon Stewart in the run-up to the 2010 elections. I made a transcript of that interview and analyzed it here at H44, to everyone’s glee – because in fact WJC was tearing down Obama pretty badly, along with the Democrats, while couching it in terms that sounded like an apologia.

    It was at that time that he made his famous statement, “Give us two more years and if it isn’t working by then, you can throw us all out!” But that brings us back, of course, to WJC’s conduct in the 2012 cycle: Having lost 2010 big time, WJC came back and helped the Democrats maintain their position in the House and expand their majority in the Senate. He is now the leader of the party again.

    However, this whole idea of demanding that the Clintons pass our little litmus test of virulent negativity toward Obama before we deign to look at their positive achievements, and Hillary’s qualifications for the presidency, just shows how small we can be.

    We’ve been Puma’s since June 08, and as private citizens with no public responsibilities, we’ve been expressing outrage against Obama ever since.

    At the time, Hillary astounded us by turning on a dime and beginning to campaign for Obama. Already then, many of us felt betrayed by our heroin.

    But that move, rickya, was to be expected from Hillary Clinton, because “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow” – you can’t win ‘em all, so take the hit and move on.

  193. jeswezey
    December 1st, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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    jeswezey, that is soooo god, I could kiss you!
    Thank you! Thank you! For keeping your head on straight when too many are losing theirs!

  194. Jezwezey, thank you for puting in words wh we stand with Hillary! Hillary works with everybody, not only with the ones that agree with her, please watch the cspan link above and for all the one who doubt whose side Hillary is you will find out that she’s with the Jewesh people, not the palestinians, she’s not the President and you could see she doesn’t think like BO on many things, she talks about Bibi and the israelis give her great marks, even Bibi says he’s worked with her and she’s someone pragmatic and with principled and get the things done! Bibi and Tony Blair say that we haven’t seen the best of Hillary yet!LOL! After the 1:06:00 mark on the video Hillary is all pro-Israel.Please don’t believe everything negative of her as easy as Hillary haters do!

  195. jeswezey

    …However, this whole idea of demanding that the Clintons pass our little litmus test of virulent negativity toward Obama before we deign to look at their positive achievements, and Hillary’s qualifications for the presidency, just shows how small we can be.

    We’ve been Puma’s since June 08, and as private citizens with no public responsibilities, we’ve been expressing outrage against Obama ever since.

    At the time, Hillary astounded us by turning on a dime and beginning to campaign for Obama. Already then, many of us felt betrayed by our heroin.

    But that move, rickya, was to be expected from Hillary Clinton, because “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow” – you can’t win ‘em all, so take the hit and move on.

    ===============
    Another big, fat BRAVO for having the patience and skill to reply to rickya’s doubts in such an elegant way. You didn’t get nasty, you didn’t attack, I admire that in you.

    I on the other hand, just want to start ignoring have of the comments on Big Pink lately, but it’s so much better to have real discussions like you and wbb are able to do without being nasty.

  196. Dana Perino hosts Huckabee!
    Tonight, 8p ET: Is the President playing politics with YOUR money? Plus, Inside Hillary Clinton’s possible 2016 push!

  197. holdthemaccountable
    December 1st, 2012 at 9:30 am
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    I have been rethinking this issue. Clearly, she does not have the character to be SOS. And it is disgusting that the hard left tries to recast the issue as race or gender, when they are some of the worst offenders. But look at the hole card. If horseface is the bridesmaid, and her defeat would make him the bride, how much better is that? And, as I think that one though the question I must ask is the defeat of Rice really a hill worth dying for–unless it would undercut Obama. If we could be sure that it would do that, then my response would be damned the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

  198. Leanora
    November 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
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    As I mentioned to Jbsotonesfan, a close friend of mine has done a magnificent exhibit which celebrates the role of women of color in the evolution of civilization. The primary tie in this was plains Indians, which is her cultural heritage, black women which was the heritage of her first husband, and the women of Ravenbruk–a German concentration camp for women 60 miles north of Berlin. Her exhibit speaks through the voices of these long since passed figures, and it is very powerful. As a favor to her, I have been trying to market it to museums, etc. But to your point, there is a quote in the book Son of the Morning Star, which is the biography of George Armstrong Custer, where the author compares a cable sent to by Custer to Sherman to a cable sent by Himmler to Hitler. Sherman, who was mentally unbalanced before the war, stated plainly, our policy toward the plains Indian is one of extermination.

  199. wbboei 3:38 pm
    But look at the hole card. If horseface is the bridesmaid, and her defeat would make him the bride, how much better is that?
    ————————————
    Good points, all. Sobering thought: people such as ones I’m familiar with could easily regard horseface as a war hero, giving Obama more unearned leverage. [And so sorry, I’ve forgotten. Did not horseface to something really egregious against HRC? It would be such a kick in the teeth to have him follow her in that event.]
    Agreed. Let Rice and Obama walk the gauntlet. And may the walk be long, arduous, and damning.

  200. Re Hillary’s debt, didn’t Obomber promise to pay it off. I gave money to her campaign when I had to charge it on my credit card. It galls me to see them beg for such little amount of $ because that is pocket change to them. Sure it might be testing the water, but if they had faith they would not need to bum to find out if she’s still viable. I think they know she’s wounded herself seriously, Bill Clinton inflicted more harm to Hillary’s campaign than anyone else. Come 4 years from now, the economy and the country will be so bad that the R’s could run a toothpick and win. It’ll be anyone BUT a democrat. Hillary doesn’t need to worry, she says she is not running so why not just pay your darn bill and quit bumming people who are living day to day.

    I just don’t get it.

  201. Hillary’s debt is not about Hillary’s debt. It is about keeping the flame lit. I have been watching. She is the best bet women have for showing the world why we belong in governance. This is not just about you and I who are relatively comfortable with our second class citizen status. It is about the women of the world, some of whom live in unspeakable conditions. It is about our daughters.

    I made a donation of $20.16
    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/

  202. The relationship between John Kerry and Teresa Heinz widow of the late John Hines heir to the Heinz Ketchup fortune reminds me of the exchange between Winston Churchill, and an admirer: If you were my husband, I would put poison in your wine. If you were my wife, I would drink it. But here is the thing Kerry must be mindful of as he jockeys for the position of SOS:

  203. A gang of six has formed in the House to advocate high taxes on everyone. Those making over $250 is only the beginning–so they say. Bury the middle class is their emerging model. The comments to this were on point:

    This ‘gang’ really is a gang of thieves. What an appropriate name.

    ————————————–
    “Life is tough. It’s tougher when you’re stupid.”–John Wayne

    Lefties think “only the very rich” are going to get hammered. They are about to get a very long, painful, expensive lesson in how wrong they are.

    I am going to enjoy watching Obama voters come to grips with their stupidity. This will be four years of schadenfreude.

  204. Rice isn’t friendly enough is code for, “Rice is a tool for Obama and not qualified to be SOS.”

    IMLessTHO

  205. Why does FOX have on a tool like Geraldo? He has on Tom Tancredo from Colorado to talk about immigration. So in the studio standing around him, Geraldo has Latino, Asian, middle east teens and older and he asks them how old they were when their parents brought them to the USA and if they are scared daily that they will be deported. And Geraldo also asks if Tancredo thinks immigration is a winning issue for the Republicans. Tancredo tries to tell him that immigration is a political issue and being used by the Dems and if the shoe were on the other foot and most immigrants would be voting Republican would the Dems be pushing the DREAM Act. Geraldo didn’t really answer.

  206. Can the Republican Party Avoid the Fate of the Whigs?

    by Patrick Caddell30 Nov 2012815post a comment

    Note from Senior Management: Pat Caddell, Fox News Contributor and top Democratic strategist, continues his series of exclusive commentary and analysis for Breitbart News concerning the recent election and the future of the Republic.

    If present trends continue, the Republicans will likely soon fall out of political viability; and the Grand Old Party will be the Grand Defunct Party. They are well on their way to becoming the 21st Century incarnation of the Whigs.

    Let’s consider: At the national level, Republicans have lost four of the last six presidential elections; if one measures the popular vote, they have lost five of the last six. Indeed, over the last six elections, the GOP has averaged approximately 44.8 percent of the popular vote, whereas the Democrats have won 48.8 percent. And the disparity in the electoral college is even more telling: Republicans have won an average of 211 electoral votes over the last six elections, while Democrats have won 327.

    These are trends that transcend any one candidate, and any one election. Meanwhile, the Establishment Republican party seems uninterested in learning anything about why they really lost; the goal DC Republicans today is the generation of conveniently self-serving excuses.

    The proof that Establishment Republicans want to paper over their failures–and prop up a doddering, but still lucrative, status quo–is found in the post-election behavior of Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Priebus was just another state party chairman, unknown outside of Wisconsin, until he was hand-picked for the national chairmanship by Beltway kingmakers Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie. So of course Priebus is not going to do anything much to investigate, let alone change, what wrong with the Republican campaigns of 2012 that were profitably overseen by Rove, Gillespie, and their cronies. Priebus, Rove, and Gillespie should be exiting from the scene; they should not be given another chance to explain away their own failures, even as they make new plans to make new money in the next set of elections.

    And speaking of failures, what is there to say about Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, who also helped oversee this Republican debacle? McConnell now has presided over three consecutive GOP Senate failures, in 2008, 2010 and 2012. In ‘08, McConnell’s Republican Senate lost seats, and then in ’10 and ’12, McConnell & Co. blew opportunities to win control of Senate from the Democrats–indeed, they lost more seats in ’12.

    Failure in politics can have many causes, but in a political coalition there can be only one leader, and that leader should step up and take responsibility. And so for Senate Republicans, that’s McConnell, and he should have done the right thing.

    McConnell should have set an honorable example by resigning from his minority leadership post. If he had, others, too, would have been forced to rethink their ways, and their roles–and that’s how renewal takes place. But of course, McConnell stayed in place, indeed, he was unopposed. And that learn-nothing attitude, from McConnell and his subordinates, sent a powerful signal of despair to Republican partisans. We might pause to note that the Democrats are no better these days; the same stench of failure hangs around the neck of Nancy Pelosi, and yet she, too, clings to power on her side of the aisle; evidently, nobody in the DC political class feels burdened by a sense of competence, let alone honor.

    We will more closely the failings of Mitt Romney and the Republican consultant-ocracy in later installments of this series. But first, let’s focus on the big picture for the Republicans.

    So what has happened over four election cycles, 2006 to 2012? Most obviously, George W. Bush did enormous harm to the Republican brand; his grandiose vision of nation-building first gave us the Iraq fiasco and then, indirectly, the Islamist ascendancy in Gaza, Egypt, and elsewhere in the Middle East. Notably, Iran, having gained influence over an old enemy, Iraq, proved to be in a stronger position at the end of the Bush presidency than at the beginning.

    On the homefront, voters still remember the Bush economic meltdown; the 2012 exit polls showed that more Americans blamed Bush for the present-day bad economy than blamed Obama. The Bush Administration and the GOP Washington establishment transformed the Republicans into a pro-spending, pro-government party– a junior version of the Democratic party and establishment in Washington.

    Although Republicans like to point out that Bush ran the deficit up less than Obama, the truth is that 43 opened the floodgates. How so? Because when a Republican deficit-spends without restraint, such spending gives license to the Democrats to trump it. So yes, Bush Republicans and the Congressional majority spent money like “drunken sailors,” as John McCain said; abrogating their very rationale for existence–and opening wide the spending sluice for the Democrats. Moreover, the Republicans were at the trough, right alongside the Democrats, when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were ladling out their off-budget financial favors.

    But before Bush, such figures as Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, and Bob Livingston had all damaged themselves and their party by trying to impeach Bill Clinton, when they themselves had sexual peccadilloes; hypocrisy is always bad politics.

    Just this year, we’ve had the disgusting spectacle of a married Republican Congressman, Scott DesJarlais, having been taped pressuring his mistress to have an abortion. DesJarlais was re-elected to his seat in Tennessee this November, although hopefully not for long.

    To be sure, no party has any monopoly on either vice or virtue, but it does seem as if the Republicans have done their best to monopolize the vice of strangely medieval, as well as hypocritical, sexual politics. But I’ll get to Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, as well, in a later installment.

    The economy, to be sure, is the most important issue, and national security may be the second most important issue, and as we have seen, Bush 43 bequeathed a negative legacy for Republicans on both.

    Yet at the same time, modernity is an important issue, too. Much of the Republican Party has simply lost its capacity to think about America as it is today–an America where, for example, most people no longer worry about gay marriage.

    So what could happen? As I said, the GOP could slide into marginalization. It’s happened before.

    For example, during the years 1932 to 1968, the Republican Party lost seven of nine presidential elections. The only two exceptions were the twin victories of Dwight Eisenhower, the greatest hero of WW2. Without Ike’s presence on the Republican ticket in 1952 and 1956, it’s easy to imagine the Republicans having lost all nine of those elections.

    Moreover, as a better measure of partisan support in those years, we can note the Congressional elections: During that same 36-year period, the Republicans managed to win the House and Senate for a meager four years each. Four years out of thirty-six. Now that’s marginalization.

    For further perspective, we could reach back even further into US history. After all, in terms of its geographical center of gravity, the Republican Party of today is much closer to the Democratic Party of the 19th century. That is, the party today is centered in Dixie, where Romney won nine of the states of the old Confederacy; the South was the only region that he carried. And so for more precedent, we might look back to Dixie during its wilderness years.

    After the Civil War, the South was deeply discredited in the eyes of the rest of the country, and so the Democrats–the party tied to the South–lost nine of the 11 presidential elections from 1868 to 1908. It took a long time for memories of the Civil War to fade, and a long time for the South to be willing to join the modern mainstream of civil rights and equality. Indeed, as a Southerner myself–born in South Carolina, raised in Florida, a resident of South Carolina today–I was and am proud to have helped a Georgian, Jimmy Carter, become the first president from the Deep South in nearly a century-and-a-half. Notably, whatever Carter’s flaws as president might have been, he was a sterling figure on civil rights.

    Of course, the ultimate example of political failure is the Whigs. The Whigs could trace their political lineage to George Washington, and they elected two presidents in the 1840s and yet went out of existence in the 1850s. The Whigs were a forward-looking, modernizing party, but they disappeared because they could no longer grapple with the changes coming to the country, nor with the widening cracks in their own coalition. As has been said of the Whigs, having lost their citadels of electoral strength the Whigs now chose to abandon all their principles. On important issues such as the abolition of slavery and a forward-looking policy on immigration, they could reach no agreement other than disagreement, and that was the end of them.

    It’s worth recalling that there was a Whig president, Millard Fillmore, sitting in the White House on March 4, 1853. And yet within one presidential election cycle, by 1856, the party was dead. So the Republicans need to understand just how quickly political extinction can happen.

    Today, slavery is long gone, but immigration is as prominent an issue as it ever has been. A century-and-a-half ago, the Whigs couldn’t figure out a viable policy for new immigrants, in those years, mostly the Irish. Today, Republicans haven’t been able to figure out a viable policy for newer immigrants, now mostly Hispanics. So that’s one reason why Barack Obama won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote. And what will happen to the GOP when another 10 or 20 million Hispanics are legalized and start to vote? Or when perhaps even hard-red Texas becomes a blue state?

    Indeed, the Republican pathology runs deeper than the just the presidential races. As noted earlier, the Republicans have blown two Senate election cycles in a row–two cycles in which they were given easy chances to win a majority. And now respected political analyst Stu Rothenberg is projecting a possible Democratic supermajority in the Senate by 2016.

    Meanwhile, in the House of Representatives, the Republicans hung on to their majority, but by reduced numbers. In fact, though, the Democrats won a majority of the House vote this year, only the particularities of House districts saved the Republicans. But the Democrats, with the wind now at their back, will make recapturing the House their top priority in 2014.

    What I am describing here is the contemporary path to the Whigs’ fate. I certainly hope that my party, in its current corrupt incarnation, is not allowed to dominate the political landscape without challenge, without checks and balances. And in fact, I am confident that checks and balances will come — perhaps from a revived Republican Party, or perhaps from a new party altogether.

    I will examining possible alternative fates for the Republicans, in future installments.

    But before letting him slip completely down the memory hole of bad ideas, let’s take up Mitt Romney, in the next installment.

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