Unravel #2, Unravel #3, Unravel #1 Follow-up

Another lesson in how to spot a flim-flam con man: as soon as he has your money (and/or votes) the promises made turn to sh*t. Moral lesson of another horrid November: A fool and his vote are soon parted.

If you are reading this and you voted for Obama you are a fool. You probably will always be a fool. You probably always were a fool. You’re a fool. That is why your life is a mess so stop wasting money on therapists or doctors or time on crying or wondering why things go so wrong for you – you are a fool and that is why things will never get better for you. Liquor won’t help, sex won’t help, exercise won’t help, food won’t help, meditation won’t help, drugs won’t help, smoking won’t help, marriage won’t help, divorce won’t help, good health won’t help, hospitals won’t help, rest won’t help, work won’t help, parties won’t help, study won’t help, cleaning won’t help, music won’t help, walks won’t help, movies won’t help, books won’t help, entertainments won’t help, screaming won’t help, gunnysacking won’t help, having children won’t help, new shoes won’t help, spending money won’t help, saving money won’t help, TV won’t help, new hairdos won’t help, new gadgets won’t help, a career won’t help, a new job won’t help, a vacation won’t help, making money won’t help, singing won’t help, gardening won’t help, staying in a rut won’t help, new starts won’t help – you just can’t fix stupid.

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If you think we are being harsh with the above analysis, consider:

“Today, as the country continues the great unraveling – which began immediately after the Tuesday elections with layoffs, stock market fiscal cliff, Taxmageddon, January 1 tax hike, shakes – we are told that the Director of the CIA has resigned.

It didn’t take long for the flim-flam consequences to bear fruit. It’s not that the Obama messes ever ceased. But before the election, even as many remained without electricity, water, or shelter, and the nation stayed on the skies going downhill – the Big Media news was ever so positive. Now comes the toxic harvest.

The motto of the flim-flam con man is a variant of a Lincolnism: “If you can fool enough of the people enough of the time…

Enough fools were fooled yet again so that Barack Obama the Boob, whose idiot savant super power is self advancement, was reelected. Since that terrible Tuesday the unraveling has begun with a renewed vigor.

Big Media is busy turning the post election revelations into slimy sex scandals. Petraeus is the sex starved old guy, goes the narrative, and his replacement is also tagged as a sex hound. The Benghazi scandal remains hidden in the chorus as sex takes the limelight.

Months after the terrorist attacks and murders of Americans, including an ambassador, there are still no answers but a lot of questions. The lies from Barack Obama and his henchmen and henchwomen continue.

Instead of answers on Benghazi we are titillated with sex, again. But even on the serious questions regarding the sex we are still in the dark even as the sounds of copulation ring our ears. We have questions, as do many others, and we want answers.

We do want to know what Obama knew and when he knew it about Petraeus. At this point no one knows when Petraeus began his sex patrols with Paula Broadwell. Was it before he was nominated by Obama as Director of the CIA? Was it much earlier? What triggered the investigation of Petraeus and why was the investigation begun?

Anyone remember when David Petraeus was seriously considered a potential 2012 presidential candidate for Republicans?

Anyone remember when David Petraeus was called “Dave The Dull”?:

“The New York Times updates us on the burgeoning White House-Pentagon split over Afghanistan and how it relates to Gen. David Petraeus’ potential presidential bid in 2012, [snip]

Petraeus is lying low in part because his potential presidential bid “worries” political aides at the White House, the Times reports. The remarkable general’s closest aides say idea he’s running for president is “absurd,” but that the administration is “rightly” suspicious because of rampant speculation.”

Was the Petraeus investigation a way to neutralize a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2012 or 2016? What did Obama know and when did Obama know it?

No one has been given answers yet. It’s been months since the Benghazi terrorist attack and we still don’t know what happened. The nation witnessed Barack Obama’s festival of lies yesterday. The terrorists likely have already made their review of the successful ambassador killing operation and most likely efficiently have incorporated the review into the next series of attacks.

The American review? Still waiting while the questions multiply. Today there is a report from CBS: CIA talking points for Rice never mentioned terrorism. Oh right, it was that video a handful of people saw that caused the killings so why mention terrorism? Or is this latest leak a way to blunt whatever testimony Petraeus provides to congress? We’ll take door #2.

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Unravel #1 is frightening. But two weeks into November 2012 we already have Unravel #2. From one of the many Obama pimps at the New York Times, Tom Friedman:

“The scandal engulfing two of our top military and intelligence officers could not be coming at a worse time: the Middle East has never been more unstable and closer to multiple, interconnected explosions. Virtually every American president since Dwight Eisenhower has had a Middle Eastern country that brought him grief. For Ike, it was Lebanon’s civil war and Israel’s Sinai invasion. For Lyndon Johnson, it was the 1967 Six-Day War. For Nixon, it was the 1973 war. For Carter, it was the Iranian Revolution. For Ronald Reagan, it was Lebanon. For George H.W. Bush, it was Iraq. For Bill Clinton, it was Al Qaeda and Afghanistan. For George W. Bush, it was Iraq and Afghanistan. For Barack Obama’s first term, it was Iran and Afghanistan, again. And for Obama’s second term, I fear that it could be the full nightmare — all of them at once. The whole Middle East erupts in one giant sound and light show of civil wars, states collapsing and refugee dislocations, as the keystone of the entire region — Syria — gets pulled asunder and the disorder spills across the neighborhood.”

Pimp Friedman should be ignored, if not vilified, when it comes to his advice. Even the above list is only a partial list. Unravel #2 made more news today as Israel and Hamas now locked in Twitter war, also actual war. It’s going to get much much worse than it already is much much worse:

“Egypt calls on US to stop ‘Israeli aggression’

Move follows Cairo’s removal of ambassador on basis of “brutal” Israeli assault; Arab League calls special meeting in Cairo. [snip]

The move follows Wednesday’s decision by Egypt to recall its ambassador from Israel after IAF strikes on the Gaza Strip killed top Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari and at least six other Palestinians.

Presidential spokesman Yasser Ali said in a statement on television and his Facebook page that “President Mohamed Morsi has followed the Israeli brutal assault in which a number of martyrs and sons of the Palestinian people were killed.”

“On this basis,” he added, Morsi “has recalled the Egyptian ambassador from Israel, has ordered the Egyptian representative at the United Nations to call for an emergency meeting at the Security Council…and summoned the Israeli ambassador in Egypt in protest over the assault.” [snip]

Iran’s state-controlled and pro-regime media also rushed to report Jabari’s killing. [snip]

Earlier on Wednesday, before the targeted killing, the grand imam of Egypt’s powerful al-Azhar Mosque denounced Israel’s strikes on Gaza, describing them as the “Zionist army’s bombing of innocent civilians,” Egyptian and Saudi news sources reported.

In his statement, Mohamed Ahmed El Tayeb warned the “Zionist entity” against continuing the strikes, which he said were “brutal” and would lead the entire region into a wider conflict.”

As we predicted during the “Arab Spring” euphoria it’s going to be much much worse as the Muslim Brotherhood brings down the Iron Veil. Israel is in danger.


Israel’s Defense Forces are already in full war preparation. Israel is under attack from all sides. It’s not as if we are surprised.

Unravel #3 is the American economy. We’re going from worse, to worse yet:

More Pain: Jobless Claims Up, Inflation Up, Recession Looms

Jobess Claims Up: Applications for jobless benefits surged by 78,000 to 439,000 in the week ended Nov. 10, the most since April 2011
Inflation Up: Consumer prices rose slightly last month as higher rents and costlier food offset cheaper gas.
Recession Looms: The euro zone debt crisis dragged the bloc into its second recession since 2009 in the third quarter despite modest growth in Germany and France, data showed on Thursday.”

Is it time to concede? Should we simply all say “Good-bye America”? No.

It is time to put aside remorse and fight for the future against the fools.

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579 thoughts on “Unravel #2, Unravel #3, Unravel #1 Follow-up

  1. wbboei
    November 13th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    Well, at least this mess has brighthened someone’s day. A friend of mine has let his credit card debt slip, and the possee is chasing him. He owes more than he can afford. A bankruptcy filing is indicated. And he is not happy about it.

    if he is in washington I am in the financial business and can possibly help. wife and I are going through a strategic bankruptcy and its not been that bad so far. can run some numbers or point him in the right direction.

  2. Is it time to concede? Should we simply all say “Good-bye America”? No.

    It is time to put aside remorse and fight for the future against the fools.

    ——
    So good to see you admin and I agree, fighting is much better than paralyzing depression and remorse.

  3. Is it time to concede? Should we simply all say “Good-bye America”? No.

    It is time to put aside remorse and fight for the future against the fools.

    __________________________________________

    That was a backbone stiffening article!

    Yup. Time to rub dims’ faces in the daily disasters that comprise Obama’s leadership.

  4. yes, and we can add to the list the “Obamacare tax” that businesses will be adding because of their additional expenses and passing on to us as they lay off their employees and also but back their hours…

    yes, it is going to get much worse…heading into dire straits

  5. BRAVO, admin. The wait for your latest post was well worth it.

    Love that 2nd P. I was LMAO reading it.

    About the fools, I’m of the mind to let them stew in their own juice for the next four years. Let’s not raise a finger to help. Let the House go along with all the dims hare-brained schemes and let the destruction reign down on them.

    OK, we’ll be affected, too, but I would imagine the non-fools have begun potting in place safeguards against the sh1tstorm which will sweep through the country until the aptly titled pos is either impeached, removed or term-limited out.

  6. Yes, and my fight begins by reminding whining Obots — including those in my family! — that they own their Golden Calf. Even my two Republican brother-in-laws voted for BHO! I won’t let the Holidays turn into a love fest for Obama.

  7. Great article admin. They are fools alright.

    At least there is some comic relief for unravel #1:

    It appears as though the local ABC News Denver affiliate used a parodied version of biographer Paula Broadwell’s book cover during a news report on Gen. Petraeus’ extramarital affair.
    [snip]
    Americablog noticed that the station seemed to mistakenly use a fake version of the book cover. The real title “All In” was replaced with the title “All Up In My Snatch.”

    (see video!)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/abc-news-denver-affiliate-paula-broadwell-petraeus-biography_n_2122239.html

  8. OT but WOW!

    The Israeli Air Force struck some 70 targets in the Gaza Strip in the past hour,

    The Israeli Air Force struck some 70 targets in the Gaza Strip in the past hour, the IDF Spokesman’s Office said shortly before 10 p.m. Thursday. Among the targets, the IDF statement said, were underground medium-range rocket launching pads. The most recent blitz of air strikes brought the total number to well over 300.

    Palestinians have fired over 275 rockets from Gaza into the South since the IDF launched its operation. Two rockets triggered an air raid siren in Tel Aviv, marking the first time that a real siren was sounded in Tel Aviv since the Gulf War in the early 1990s.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/15/israeli-airstrikes-hit-70-targets-in-one-hour/

  9. TOLD YOU the ragheads would be laughing their butts off at American military and how the pos DELIBERATELY deligitimizes them!

    Taliban: Petraeus should be stoned to death for adultery

    (Oh, I’m so brilliant – once a year at least)

    The sex scandal that brought down David Petraeus poses a tricky dilemma for his old foes in the Taliban: should an adulterer be stoned to death or executed by a firing squad made up of his mistress’s relatives?

    As generals, journalists and military analysts in the United States continue to ponder the national security and political implications of Mr Petraeus’s spectacular fall from grace, his affair and resignation have tickled the famously humourless Taliban.

    One official burst into laughter at the mention of the Petraeus affair during an interview in Pakistan’s north-western city of Peshawar.

    “What a b——! But all Americans are the same, it’s nothing new,” the official told the AFP news agency on condition of anonymity.

    Adulterers suffered severe punishment under the brutal Taliban regime in Afghanistan, which ran from 1996 until they were forced from power in 2001. Offenders were flogged in public.

    But there is a dilemma for the Talib, balancing the demands of Islamic law against the norms of his conservative Pashtun tribe.

    “From a Pashtun point of view, Petraeus should be shot by relatives from his mistress’s family,” the Taliban official explained helpfully.

    “From a sharia point of view, he should be stoned to death.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/15/taliban-petraeus-should-be-stoned-to-death-for-adultery/

  10. Can’t beat the Brits for scintillating headlines

    David Petraeus: gleeful Taliban ponder correct way to execute adulterer

    The sex scandal that brought down David Petraeus poses a tricky dilemma for his old foes in the Taliban: should an adulterer be stoned to death or executed by a firing squad made up of his mistress’s relatives?

  11. It is time to put aside remorse and fight for the future against the fools.

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    HOW?!! For God’s sake HOW?!!!!!

    I’m long done with remorse! — I’m mad as hell, but what can I do?? WHAT?!Somebody tell me WHAT!!!

  12. lil ole grape

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    I wish I had the answer but for darn sure, don’t go away quietly, nor sit down and shut up.

    Just like the Dims would love for all the Rethugs to shut up and fade to black, making BO’s current and future corruption slide under the radar.

    Personally, I like rubbing salt in the obot’s wounds every chance I get if they start complaining about anything attached to BO and his sinking hand picked thugs.

  13. Taliban: Petraeus should be stoned to death for adultery
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    How refreshing.

    But he needs a better target.

    Like that waste of protoplasm Bill Maher.

    Maher would try to get him to curse Republicans.

    But the Taliban “fighter” would blame Obama.

    Whereupon Maher would flip him the bird.

    Whereupon the “fighter” would stone him.

    I am a sucker for a happy ending.

    Would I intervene to save Maher?

    I have thought about that.

    Absolutely not.

    This would be the one time I would

    Plead for tolerance for their culture.

    Maher of all people would understand.

  14. Oh, yay, Leonora. More ways to get rid of whites and pass my meager savings onto blacks and illegal aliens.

    Yippeee.

    Idiots aren’t thinking this through. In a decade or so there will be no more money coming into the system.

    “Already there is a bill requiring all businesses to automatically enroll their employees in IRA plans in which part of every employee’s paycheck would be automatically deducted and deposited into this account. If this passes, the government will be just one step away from being able to confiscate all these retirement accounts.”

    NSC has taken the lead in warning the nation about this new government onslaught and is plotting ways to stop it.

    “This effort ultimately is designed to grab the retirement nest eggs of America’s senior citizens. This new government annuity scheme, even if it is at first optional, will turn into a giant effort to redistribute the wealth of America’s older citizens,” explains Crone. “This scheme mirrors what I expect the President will try to do with Social Security. He wants to turn that program into a welfare program, too.”

    NSC will likely unveil a new grassroots campaign effort later this year or early in January to coincide with the seating of the new Congress.

  15. Thanks adm. I just pray the world does not end before Dec 8th, 13th and15th as I have important plans those evenings.

  16. Report: Petraeus Pushed Out For Challenging Administration’s Timeline On Libya…

    Petraeus pushed under the Obama Express?

    New reporting by the Wall Street Journal suggests that the Benghazi attack may have played a major role in General Petraeus’ resignation as director of the CIA. This report suggests that Petraeus may have been pushed out of the position because he tried to challenge the Obama administration’s timeline of the attack. According to the report, Petraeus wanted to come out and push harder in defense of the CIA and what it did in Benghazi, but was told not to.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/15/report-petraeus-pushed-out-for-challenging-administrations-timeline-on-libya/

  17. So according to FOX new Jill Kelley had had breakfast or at least a visit at the WH recently?? Did I hear that correctly?

  18. JUST GOT WEIRDER! Jill Kelley at the WHITE HOUSE on SEPTEMBER 28????? If so, why?
    by Greta Van Susteren

    Nov 15 2012 – 12:01 PM ET

    OK…this is just bizarre. See below what Tampa socialite and General David Petraeus friend wrote in an email to a reporter on September 28. Was she at the White House? Who did she see? Why was she there? (and what’s with the honoary Ambassador to US Central Command Coalition?)

    “Btw I was made the (honorary) Ambassador to US Central Command’s Coalition!” she told a [Tampa Bay] Times reporter in a Sept. 28 email. “In addition to that, I was just recently appointed to be the Honorary Consulate General to South Korea! I’m in DC today – just left from breakfast at the White House. . . . I really hope to see you soon!”

    CLICK HERE TO

  19. Politics is full of tricks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3LJtN0e1Tk&feature=plcp

    Yes, fight but who is who? The Republicans puked on this election. Can you believe Romney got fewer votes than McCain? Surreal. Has Ground Game become the new code for Voter Fraud? I think a couple million votes got in the wrong place.

    I also think Big Pink was right about the VP choice. They better take back the Senate in 2014 and do something about this piece of $#it they let stay in the Whitehouse. Train up some women and minority candidates, too.

    So what is the plan? I am ready to do the Obama count down.

  20. jbstonesfan
    November 15th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    You’ve got ’til December 21 if my Mayan History database is correct.

  21. Can you believe Romney got fewer votes than McCain?

    No.

    It was fraud. I have seen tons of articles about touchscreen votes changed from Mitt to the pos but not vice versa.

  22. Admin, nice to see you back.

    Hey, before Nov. 6th, Big Media was telling us that a) prosperity was around the corner (albeit, slowwwwly), b) Obama would be safer for the world than a Pres. Mitt, c) Obama was not a threat to Israel.

    Nine days later, “Gee, I guess we done got it wrong.”

    Yes, go lick your master’s boots.

    Bad doggie.

  23. BASIL99
    November 15th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    Can you believe Romney got fewer votes than McCain?

    No.

    &&&&&&&&’
    This is the biggest crock of shit. It is a diversion from the fact that votes were stolen.

    So yeah, technically, Romney appears to have RECEIVED less votes than McCain.

  24. sirmrks
    November 15th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
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    Thanks sirmks. He is in Arizona. His bankruptcy is more desperate than strategic. I directed him to the legal aid people in that state.

    The Jay Inslee win of the governorship surprised me. He was a year behind me in high school. His father in law was coach of the UW golf team which my brother played on for all four years. So I guess that takes some of the sting out of it. His opponent McKenna had a good record as AG, is squeaky clean, and is a much smarter guy than Jay. Even the idiot editor of the Seattle Times, whom I have mentioned here before as a counter example of honest journalism, endorsed McKenna. But the Democrat machine here, with the unions and all, makes it almost impossible for a Republican–even a liberal republican to win statewide elections. McCain’s campaign manager was a friend of mine and he said Washington is a red state with a blue hole in it–King, Snohomish and Pierce Counties are the holde. He told me all the Republicans need to do is win 38% of the vote in those three counties, and they will win the election. But it never seems to happen.

  25. rgb,

    Also an indication the pos didn’t dare try to claim a win of 6-7%. The more modest 2% was slim enough not to set off alarm bells for anyone except junkies like us.

  26. I received an e-mail from a friend. She sent an article about George Bush senior accidently voting for o. Said he got confused. Did anyone hear about this

  27. Cuyhaoga County includes Cleveland.

    Cuyhaoga Country was one of the counties that Obama and Soros targeted for election fraud.

    Cuyhaoga Country has voting machines, hence there is no paper trail.

    Cuyhaoga County was won by Obama.

    Cuyhaoga County turn-out was very high.

    Question: how high.

    Answer: we now learn that 126% of eligible voters turned out to vote.

    Shades of Gary, South Bend and Fort Wayne, in the 2008 primary.

  28. Admin, I received a second survey call about the election tonight, this time it was from a Sun Surveys from Miami. The first survey call a few days ago was from Education Minnesota asking me how I voted and what types of union and other advertising I received. This second survey call was very detailed asking me who I voted for and how much I had been contacted by union members before the election. They asked if I was contacted by supporters of Obama/Romney or by union members and if I thought the economic situation was getting better or worse. They also asked who I voted for President.

    What is the purpose of these calls? I can understand Education Minnesota wanting to see if their union efforts/advertising had paid off but this other call was a robot survey (and from Florida). It’s just weird–I haven’t received phone calls like this before…

  29. Shadowfax at 4:50 pm
    Wow, why would any R vote for BO??

    *********************************
    Go figure…I guess because one is an anti-Semite (which fits in nicely with BO’s policies against Israel) and the other works for the insurance industry.

  30. The democratic party in Cuyahoga county pay people to stand outside the polling places. They pay people to take voters to the poll. They pay them to knock on doors. At the end of election night they come back to the campaign headquarters to get paid.
    This is the time of year a lot of campaign workers know they can make some money

    I don’t know if the Republican party just have volunteers

  31. I feel the same way as grape, I want to fight back, just not sure how when I do believe there was selected voter fraud. That really is the first order, voter ID ans a paper trail.

  32. As Hillary gets ready to testify, all the corrupt interests are coming out of the woodwork to promise her their support in 2016. There is no reason in the world for the shadow government to be making this statement now, four years before the fact, if it were not for the fact that she will testify. The scope of Buffets investments is global and he control large chunks of our infrastructure. I have a client who has an invention which works and has great potential value. The problem is if Buffett gets wind of it, he will either try to buy it for nothing, or create something very similar and tie him up in court for years with his money. We are talking about a brutal capitalist here. Not the avuncular oracle of Omaha most people think of. When he comes forward now with this, this is a de facto bribe in my opinion. No reason at all to be lining up like this publicly now, other than the fact that her testimony could hurt Obama. Working for these kind of people cannot save the country. Working for them is not working for us. I hope she testifies, and tells Buffett and his ilk to go to hell. Your word means nothing. You promised to support me in 2008, and then you secretly backed the fraud in the White House.

  33. A placeholder?

    You got me on that one NMF.

    The timing suggests it not about 2016.

    It is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early for that.

    The timing suggests a more immediate purpose.

    Namely an attempt to suborn perjury.

    Or to put it more gently to influence her testimony on Benghazi.

    Because if Obama outed, the whole cabal which includes him will be vulnerable.

    Buffet is not the sort of individual you can trust, for the reasons discussed above.

    I hope Hillary tells it how it was.

    No more falling on the sword to save Obama.

  34. This guy Clapper belongs in leg irons. He is a lying bastard. Apparently, he wanted the CIA to take the fall over Benghazi in order to protect Obama, and Patreaus refused to do that. Clapper. What a perfect name for that Obamastooge.

    With jackasses like Elija Cummmings and others obstructing the truth here, it is clear to me that we need an independent prosecutor. And right this very moment or shortly after Thanksgiving, we need a petition demanding a special prosecutor, citing all the reasons why we need one. But most of all, we need an independent prosecutor to reassure our military people, some of whom have been killed or maimed for life that the President has their back, and that he will not run away like a coward or freeze up at the first sign of trouble. Those people who put their lives on the line for this country, have a right to know that he will not use them as cannon fodder, and will discharge his sworn duties in a competent manner. Democrat officials who vote against a special prosecutor must lose their jobs when they are next up for election.

  35. Just a suggestion for anyone who wants to fight back about this election: Allen West lost an election by a very narrow margin in Florida involving gross voter fraud. He is trying to fight back. The stupid Republicans are not supporting him the way they should. Is it racism? Or are they just stupid?

  36. I listened to Ron Paul on CSpan radio yesterday morning. He sounded great. They played a sound clip of him from 1983 where he was saying why do we need all this diplomatic core and spend money on the Ambassadors and consulates when we can easily conduct business remotely in this communication age. This was 1983. It is truer now. He blamed CIA and military for Benghazi and could not quite come to blame Obama. In fact he didn’t say much negative stuff on Obama. I wonder if his supporters drained votes away from Romney.

  37. Precious metals (Gold and Silver) have been monkey-hammered for three days in an extraordinarily blatant display of criminal market manipulation ….. in seconds 25,000 Gold contracts were dumped in a single order, dropping the spot price by $20 ……. Some jerk in NYC was able to ‘dump’ the equivalent of Australia’s entire physical Gold holdings with the push of a button……

    http://www.theospark.net/2012/11/is-jig-almost-upfrom-rico.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheoSpark+%28Theo+Spark%29

  38. Hillary is not testifying anytime soon. She will testify after the board reports on the investigation which may be like January.

  39. January!? Really?

    4 months to do an internal investigation?

    IIRC, it only took a month or so for Congress(?) to write the HORRENDOUS so-called “Patriot Act” and have it passed into law after September 11, 2001.

    (although one has to suspect the Patriot Act was already conveniently on the shelf awaiting implementation) but 4 months for State do do an internal investigation is bullshit.

  40. lil ole grape and others still mourning the unthinkable win of Obama The Inept Yet Unsinkable:
    I think admin has given us the key word which is “unraveling.” Yesterday I noted a Palin statement that gave me relief and fit admin’s focus. It is at charismanews.
    Also yesterday was the Romney statement, again to his donors but given to media to spin far and wide: Fox headline: Romney: Obama won by promising gifts to groups. Further in, Romney is much more specific: “to key groups like black, Hispanic and young voters.”
    And who could deny this? Turns out Bobby Jindal can and did very loudly. And twice I’ve seen tee vee cover the rebuttal (Jindal) first, then mention without specifics, the Romney stance prompting the Jindal rebuttal.
    So for me, I’m back in my fav mode – pointing out the media bias. I Twitter tee vee ppl and my congressmen. Even tho it will not be change, once again I see a purpose for myself.
    Hope all those still gasping due to the tragedy, soon find their purpose which will be to unravel as much as possible, as loudly as possible.

    Today h/t gateway I see http://youtu.be/oMDfptJhcso, Swift Boat Vets may be ready for a comeback. 🙂

  41. But West’s supporters aren’t the only ones frustrated with the St. Lucie County elections board and its supervisor, Gertrude Walker. The Florida secretary of state’s office announced this week that it is launching an audit of the county’s vote-tabulating process, saying that it was “concerned” about the results. A report was expected to be completed as soon as Friday.

    And even Walker has confessed her department made errors. In a news conference, she said officials had shown “too much haste” in trying to get complete results to the public on election night and that “mistakes were made.” She also acknowledged there was an initial problem in feeding voting machine memory cards though the office’s tabulating system.

  42. basil 8:06. wow.
    ———————-
    Here from the what goes around category:
    The Audacity of 51% Get ready for higher taxes and no spending reform. James Taranto 11/15/2012
    “Maybe peace would have broken out with a different kind of White House, one less committed to waging a perpetual campaign–a White House that would see a 51-48 victory as a call to humility and compromise rather than an irrefutable mandate.” Yeah, well, shut up, you Republican losers. Obama won, which means a majority of Americans support his policies. Stop being obstructionist and get with the program.
    Oh wait, sorry. That quote wasn’t from a Republican but from a recently elected Democrat. It was referring not to Obama but to George W. Bush after the 2004 election. The author: Barack Obama, junior senator from Illinois. The book: “The Audacity of Hope.”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324556304578121132809393520.html

  43. Leanora
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:59 am
    Precious metals (Gold and Silver) have been monkey-hammered for three days in an extraordinarily blatant display of criminal market manipulation ….. in seconds 25,000 Gold contracts were dumped in a single order, dropping the spot price by $20 ……. Some jerk in NYC was able to ‘dump’ the equivalent of Australia’s entire physical Gold holdings with the push of a button……

    http://www.theospark.net/2012/11/is-jig-almost-upfrom-rico.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheoSpark+%28Theo+Spark%29
    ———————
    But of course the 2008 financial crash was not orchestrated. Oh to have Soros under truth serum–imagine what hidden secrets would come out. He is worse than J Edgar Hoover in keeping dossiers on everyone in Washington. If you dig deep enough you will probably discover that that is where the Paterus scandal originated.

    And then you have the ignoranti–the proud 51% who voted for Obama and a depression and a collapse of the dollar and the all that comes with it while high fiving each other. The world clueless hardly begins to describe them. Rome burns while visions of sugar plums dance in their heads.

  44. I am as certain as I can be based on circumstantial evidence, and the law of probability, that the premature announcement of support for Hillary in 2016, by billionaire Warren Buffet, two months before the first term of his puppet Obama has ended, and one month before she is scheduled to testify in Benghazi, is an attempt by Buffet and his fellow billionaires to suborn perjury, assuming the right questions are asked by the Committee. I suspect that they know she has the goods on Obama, including but not limited to hard proof that he was notified of the danger by her, not once, but repeatedly, and those warnings went unheeded because he wanted to keep everything under wraps until after the election. Some of that has come out already. But there is a lot more. The evidence Hillary has, that Buffet and the rest of the cabal are afraid of is evidence that there was an off the books CIA operation going on in Benghazi, which is the moral and political antithesis of everything puppet Obama claimed to stand for. The full disclosure of this would reverberate across the Middle East, and on the domestic political scene. In addition, it would explode the myth of Obama as a decisive leader, and could substitute in its stead and place, a more accurate impression of him as a coward and totally disengaged political figure–a big media photo op and nothing more. So this testimony will be a defining moment for Hillary. It will tell us once and for all whose side she is on. I do not envy her, because if she tells the truth, she will court the wrath of big media, and help a party that tried to destroy her. However, the ultimate criteria is not the political parties, and not even her since others gave their lives for this country at Benghazi. Therefore, the same prescription which applies to Patreaus applies to her: duty, honor, country.

  45. The typical reaction of the Obama lover. When he is starving he burns down the bread factory. In this case, it happens to be Hostess, and the moving party is the Bakers Union. Interestingly, the Teamsters agree with the company, and are crossing the picket line. I know their top people and they are smart that way. But the Baker’s Union would prefer to see the company go under than give concessions, because it claims other employers in the industry would demand the same concessions. Unfortunately, you cannot repeal the laws of economics. Like the Spartans at Thermoplae, those proud union men stood their ground. It makes a nice epitaph. Meanwhile the sugar dependent Obama lovers will be morning, not the loss of the jobs of thousands of families, but the loss of their Twinkies. Say goodnight Johnny.

  46. McCain may be a war hero etc. but he has never had the guts to take on the press. When the usual suspects in big media attack him, how hard is it to look them in the eye and say, you do not really want the American People to know the truth about Benghazi, or for Congress to do its oversight job in investigating a policy failure which led to the violent death of and American Ambassador, because you are afraid of what it may reveal. What are you afraid of? Would you like us to just sweep it under the rug–like you do?

  47. November 16, 2012
    Petraeus: Some Parts of Susan Rice’s “Presentation” Came From the White House, Not Intelligence, and Not Me
    —Ace

    And other Things Which Would Have Been More Useful To Know Three Weeks Ago.

    David Petraeus is going to tell members of Congress that he “knew almost immediately after the September 11th attack, that the group Ansar al Sharia, the al Qaeda sympathizing group in Libya was responsible for the attacks,” CNN reports.
    In his closed door meeting on the Hill, “[Petraeus] will also say he had his own talking points separate from U.N. ambassador Susan Rice. [Hers] came from somewhere other in the administration than his direct talking points,” Barbara Starr of CNN reports, referencing a source close to Petraeus.

    The former CIA director will move to further himself from comments that didn’t accurately characterize the terror attack that Rice made 5 days after on national television shows.

    “When he looks at what Susan Rice said,” CNN reports, “here is what Petraeus’s take is, according to my source. Petraeus developed some talking points laying it all out. those talking points as always were approved by the intelligence community. But then he sees Susan Rice make her statements and he sees input from other areas of the administration. Petraeus — it is believed — will tell the committee he is not certain where Susan Rice got all of her information.”

    Now, for weeks and weeks, we’ve been told that these Talking Points, as they’re called, came directly from the “Intelligence Community.”

    Now a very high ranking member of that community says they didn’t come from the IC at all, and thinks they came from the White House — which was our strong suspicion before the Administration began telling the media this came from the IC.

    The other thing he’s claiming is that while he initially briefed Congressmen that there was some “evidence” for the Administration’s story (the spontaneous protest), this was “disproved over time” — in other words, “I didn’t perjure myself, because even though what I said was wrong, I didn’t know it was wrong when I said it.”

    But he’s also claiming now that he new this was terrorism “almost immediately.”

    It appears he lied for Obama when it was critical that he lie for Obama. And now he’s doing a Modified Limited Hang-Out, telling mostly the truth, while maintaining he also told the truth when he told a different account of the truth.

    And I wonder why he’d do that.

  48. BASIL99
    November 16th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    But West’s supporters

    —–

    This is why West is a hero to many, he is one of the only ones to keep fighting and bring the voter fraud into the daylight.

    In 2008, no matter what Hillary supporters tried to do to alert the media of the caucus and voter fraud in the primary, even FoxNews…non of them cared, they just swept it under the rug.

    Why didn’t Romeny fight this, he was shocked at not winning, and BO was shocked he did ‘win’.

  49. John McCain and his buddies should have played tough BEFORE THE DAMN ELECTION when it would have helped stop the Fraud from being in the Oval another 4 flippin’ years! They owed no allegiance to the Dim party and should have done it not only for Mitt, but also for America.

    Be a lion when it counts, otherwise….fuhgeddaboudit

  50. Gonzotx

    But he’s also claiming now that he new this was terrorism “almost immediately.”

    ———–

    How did Petraeus ‘know’?

    – Was it just gut instinct?

    – Was it because he watched the live feed?

    – Was it because of his past experience in the area?

    Or was it that he had prior knowledge of the ongoing problems there?

  51. foxyladi14
    November 16th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    &&&&

    Obummer: “I don’t know nuffin’. Nuffin’ about Benghazi, nuffin’ about Petraeus, nuffin’ bout nuffin”.

    Press: “What about the baseball MVP vote?”

    O: “Well, if they used advanced stats, and calculated in defense metrics and runs plus/against other teams, I think clearly Mike Trout should have gotten instead of Cabrera, despite Cabrera’s triple crown season, especially given that it’s the lowest winning batting pct in quite some time. Glad you asked me something I DO know about”.

  52. As much as we were disappointed on Nov. 6th, much like Dems watching Nixon win re-election in 1972, I hope it will soon be “popcorn time”; watching the movie in real time, “The Fall of the Obama Empire”.

  53. LOL! It’s not that she blatantly lied, it’s because ….

    ***********************

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — A dozen female members of the House staunchly defended U.N. ambassador Susan Rice against Republican criticism over her remarks on the deadly Sept. 11 Libya attack, suggesting the GOP lawmakers’ comments were racist and sexist.

    “It is a shame that anytime something goes wrong, they pick on women and minorities,” Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, the next chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, told reporters Friday at a Capitol Hill news conference.”

    [….]

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_LIBYA_ATTACK_RICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-16-11-05-32#

  54. trixta
    November 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    LOL! It’s not that she blatantly lied, it’s because ….
    &&&&&&&

    So if she committed murder of say a whole schoolbus of kids, she could not be arrested, and no one could even criticize her, because she has double indemnity due to her race and gender????

    Oh come off it.

    As soon as you sign on for any tough job, you have to expect demands for you to perform, and earn your salary. Big superstar sports hero gets fat contract, as soon as they slip, the press and the public start in with “Hey, you big bum…”.

    Does Rice think her job is not one of the “tough jobs”??

  55. “Oh come off it.”

    ******************************************
    Exactly my point, rgb. Bots are a f&%king disgrace! It feels like we’re living in a Body Snatchers film. “Double indemnity”, indeed! Good one!

  56. I know how all of us feel depressed and devastated for the fraud on this election and Obama’s once again stealing it and continuing lying with no repercutions at all; but watching Hillary in this video from last Friday at the State Dep helped me a lot seeing how nice and super funny she is and remembering me why so many people love and trust her.I hope she comes clean from her appearance at the hearing because she is an extraordinary human being and a great leader and I just pray that she does the right thing.Watch it and I hope it will help you on keeping a big picture on her as we always have done.She keeps the people laughing all the time, specially from mark 4:00 to the end! http://still4hill.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-11-13T19:59:00-5:0010:06&MAX-results=20&start=9&by-date=false hope it works, if not sroll down on still4hill.com/page/3/ to SECRETARY CLINTON HOSTS THE SWEARING-IN CEREMONY FOR JOE MACMANUS, US REPRESENTATIVE TO THE US MISSION TO INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS IN VIENNA

  57. From UM

    [snip]

    What we now have here is a quite recent former member of the Obama administration – the CIA Director no less, giving a very strong indication that a person or persons with direct ties to the Obama White House, aggressively altered the CIA assessment of who was actually behind the deadly terrorist attack of September 11th, 2012. This alteration/lie was then repeated for days to the American people.

    The question now is WHO ALTERED THE CIA ASSESSMENT? And if there was in fact a “stand down” order that in effect, sentenced those four Americans to death – WHO GAVE THAT ORDER?

    Related to those two simple, yet critical questions, is this now breaking news item:
    CIA to investigate Petraeus as he testifies?

    In a story line full of credibility-stretching coincidences, NBC brings us one that doesn’t even clear the laugh test. Just two days after David Petraeus offered to testify on his knowledge of the Benghazi attack and its aftermath, and on the same day when the first of those appearances by the former CIA director will take place, NBC News breaks the story that the agency will open an investigation into Petraeus’ affair with biographer Paula Broadwell to see if Petraeus abused CIA resources to conduct it.

    ______________________

    It seems increasingly clear the Obama White House is more than willing to attempt to destroy the reputation of the most celebrated American military leader in a generation in the hopes of intimidating him to shut up about what he knows regarding the Benghazi Massacre. Pure Chicago Thug politics at a level this country has never seen. -UM

  58. rgb

    “popcorn time”

    ——-
    That is the only thing that would make these next 4 years worthwhile…then we would be

    stuck with President Joe

  59. A comment on UM, interesting…

    NameBM
    November 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    A thought this morning which might make WHI feel better.

    What if the Senate conference, which was planned and did not happened before the elections, was cancelled because it was a done deal Obama was going to win the elections via agreement and/or fraud. The decision might have been taken soon before election day to stop battling for the election per se and to move the battlefield on a “watergate” like one the day after.

    A typical Military move to change the theater of combat: Understanding that the field parameters, i.e. minorities + fraud, made victory impossible and moving the battle onto a theater where such parameters are irrelevant, i.e. Congress hearings and courts of law.

    Sure looks like it’s going that way so far. It is clear the target is Jarrett which if taken down, not wounded but taken down, would live Obama widely exposed. It would also explained why Holder has been kept in place to provide secondary firewall in case Jarrett has to retreat.

  60. Leaked: Audio of Mitt Romney Explaining to Donors Why He Lost Election — And Guess What Bill Clinton Told Him

    [snip]

    “I spoke with President Clinton the day before yesterday. He called and spent 30 minutes chatting with me. He said, ‘A week out, I thought you were going to win.’ And he said, ‘But the hurricane happened, and it gave the president a chance to be presidential, and to look bipartisan. And you know, he got a little more momentum.’ And of course he also said that when he was watching Ann speak at the Republican convention, he decided he was tempted to join the Republican Party. So he may have just been effusive with generous comments as he chatted. He was very complimentary, by the way, of how well we did with middle-class voters, and he said they were surprised by how strong we were in Ohio and in other states with middle-class voters, they did exceptionally well with minorities, but white, middle-class voters, we really cleaned up with and that caught them by surprise.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/leaked-audio-of-mitt-romney-explaining-to-donors-why-he-lost-election-and-guess-what-bill-clinton-told-him/

    If this is true, wonder why Bill called him? To be nice, or what?

  61. Shadowfax
    November 16th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    rgb

    “popcorn time”

    ——-
    That is the only thing that would make these next 4 years worthwhile…then we would be

    stuck with President Joe
    &&&&&

    Well, getting rid of Obama would be, “a big fuckin’ deal”.

    :^)

  62. The question now is WHO ALTERED THE CIA ASSESSMENT? And if there was in fact a “stand down” order that in effect, sentenced those four Americans to death – WHO GAVE THAT ORDER?
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    Will we ever get the answer????? 👿

  63. getting rid of Obama would be, “a big fuckin’ deal”.

    If this happens, I would start making t-shirts with this on it. ;-P

  64. Shadowfax
    November 16th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
    ———————–
    Very strange. He says he got a detailed briefing and what he got out of it is that the cause of the Benghazi attack was a “failure of intelligence”. If that is all it is, then why did his House counterpart say that Patreaus was explicit at the time of the event that this was an al Qaueda attack and his comments to that effect got edited out—meaning politically sanitized by someone when it went up the chain of command to just say extremists. McCain was hunting Obama, and perhaps Patreaus did not give him what he was looking for?

  65. Why no information from the 30 people who were rescued from the attack in Benghazi?…Surely one of them could tell us what the facts on the ground were.more questions then answers?? ;(

  66. We need to help in whichever way we can. One way I think we could is by making lists of companies which contributed to O’s campaign and another list of those who contributed to the GOP. We should spread these lists to blogs, posts and to email recipients. Lets boycott those companies which supported O like Pepsi, Cotsco, etc. and support those products which did not help him win. I love Coke so I have no problem boycotting Pepsi! Also lists of companies which are not supporting Obamacare and support them also.

    Another list should be one of contacts in the MSM. Lets send them emails demanding their deep investigation of Benghazi, Fast & Furious, etc. Tell them we are watching their bias and will stop supporting their programming and advertisers if they continue their bias reporting or their hiding of important news and facts.

    We must demand control of our borders,voter ID’s & paper ballots for manual counting in future elections, no screens! We can do this by petitions, emails to our reps, media and important blogs.

    All this will not only help us but it will give us something to do as we wait for O’s term to expire or his impeachment.

    What do you think?

    Admin, do you think this is a good idea? Can you guide us if you agree by giving us assignments?

  67. Wbb

    McCain was hunting Obama, and perhaps Patreaus did not give him what he was looking for?


    I don’t know. McCain acted like something was very wrong, and he ran away from the reporters and said very little.

    He is either very sick or very upset…and out of breath.

  68. RNC Demands Voting Machines Changing Romney Votes to Obama Votes Be Fixed
    Katie Pavlich
    News Editor, Townhall
    Nov 02, 2012 12:30 PM EST
    Earlier this week we learned that early voting machines in Florida are changing votes cast for Mitt Romney into votes for President Obama. Since the Ohio incident, we’ve seen the same problem come up in Nevada, Kansas, North Carolina, Missouri, and Colorado. This has prompted the RNC to send an official letter request to election officials in all the states effected, asking for the problem to be investigated and fixed. From the letter:

    Dear Election Officials:

    I [John R. Phillippe, Jr. Chief Counsel] write regarding the media and citizen reports of voting machine errors taking place in your states. I understand that, in a significant number of cases, voting machines in your states have populated a vote for Barack Obama when a voter cast his or her ballot for Mitt Romney. I further understand that the causes of this problem are varied, and include miscalibration and hyper-sensitivity of the machines.
    Accordingly, I request you immediately take the following actions to mitigate any potential machine errors:

    1. Re-calibrate all voting machines on the morning of Election Day before the polls open, or, if necessary, the day before the election.
    2. Make arrangements for additional technicians on Election Day in case of increased calibration problems.
    3. Issue guidance requiring polling place officials to prominently post a sign reminding voters to double-check that the voting machine properly recorded their vote before final submission. This sign should also note that poll workers should be notified and can assist in the case of a voting machine error. (See, e.g., North Carolina State Board of Elections Numbered Memo 2012-24.)
    4. Issue guidance requiring polling place officials to remind voters to double-check that the voting machine properly recorded their vote before final submission, and to note that poll workers should be notified and can assist in the case of a voting machine error. (See, e.g., North Carolina State Board of Elections Numbered Memo 2012-24.)

    Even without the vote changing problem, voting in Ohio is already looking like a long and drawn out nightmare:

    A new Ohio program intended to make voting easier could keep the presidential election in doubt until late November if the national outcome hinges on the state’s 18 electoral votes.

    Under Secretary of State Jon Husted’s initiative to send absentee ballot applications to nearly 7 million registered voters across Ohio, more than 800,000 people so far have asked for but not yet completed an absentee ballot for the Nov. 6 election.

    Anyone who does not return an absentee ballot, deciding instead to vote at the polls, will be required to cast a provisional ballot.

    That’s so officials may verify that they did not vote absentee and also show up at the polls.

    By state law, provisional ballots may not be counted until at least Nov. 17.

  69. did anyone hear about the superpac no questions asked cash reward for voter fraud convictions?
    $500,000 for proof of paper voter fraud.
    $5 million for proof of electronic voter fraud.
    $25 million for the code used to hack the machines.

    this sure would put the heat on obama and his crooked crew.
    wrote about this on ulsterman but the comment was deleted.

  70. sirmrks
    November 16th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    RNC Demands Voting Machines Changing Romney Votes to Obama Votes Be Fixed

    ——-

    This is so lame I could scream.

    These machines and their internal code is proof of election fraud and tampering…

    Why does the RNC want to cover up and fix the machines instead of using this proof to show the election was a scam?

    “Oh well, we lost…moving on and pretending all is well.”

    No wonder Obama is still in office.

  71. $25 million for the code used to hack the machines.
    ————————-
    And worth every penny, because THAT is the stolen election right there.

  72. Wbb

    McCain was hunting Obama, and perhaps Patreaus did not give him what he was looking for?


    I don’t know. McCain acted like something was very wrong, and he ran away from the reporters and said very little.

    He is either very sick or very upset…and out of breath.
    ——————-
    Just a wild guess: the Obmamites are blackmailing him–like they always do.

  73. 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham
    By Michael, on November 13th, 2012
    After what we have seen this November, how is any American ever supposed to trust the integrity of our elections ever again? There were over 70,000 reports of voting problems on election day, and there are numerous eyewitnesses that claim that they saw voting machines change votes for one candidate to another candidate right in front of their eyes. In several of the swing states there were counties where the number of registered voters exceeded the total voting age population by a very wide margin. How in the world does that happen? Some of the vote totals that were reported in some of the most important swing states were completely and totally absurd, and yet we are just supposed to accept them on blind faith without ever being able to ask any questions. Of course the Romney campaign has already totally given up, so it isn’t as if there is any chance that the results of the presidential election could be overturned anyhow. But if massive election fraud did take place and nobody is held accountable, what kind of message will that send for the future? Will we ever be able to have faith in the integrity of our elections ever again?

    The following are 22 signs that voter fraud is wildly out of control and the election was a sham…

    #1 According to the Election Protection Coalition, voters across the United States reported more than 70,000 voting problems by 5 PM Eastern time on election day.

    #2 There were 59 voting divisions in the city of Philadelphia where Mitt Romney did not receive a single vote. In those voting divisions, the combined vote total was 19,605 for Barack Obama and 0 for Mitt Romney.

    #3 The overall voter turnout rate in Philadelphia was only about 60 percent. But in the areas of Philadelphia where Republican poll watchers were illegally removed, the voter turnout rate was over 90% and Obama received over 99% of the vote. Officials in Philadelphia have already ruled out an investigation.

    #4 According to WND, one poll watcher in Pennsylvania actually claims that he witnessed voting machine software repeatedly switch votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama…

    It was in Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., where an auditor, Robert Ashcroft, was dispatched by Republicans to monitor the vote on Election Day. He said the software he observed would “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”

    He said that happened in about 5 percent to 10 percent of the votes.

    He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.

    Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status, and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default.

    #5 Somehow Mitt Romney won 55 out of the 67 counties in the state of Pennsylvania and still managed to lose the entire state by a wide margin because of the absurd vote totals that Obama ran up in the urban areas.

    #6 Barack Obama received more than 98 percent of the vote in 10 out of the 50 wards in the city of Chicago.

    #7 Prior to the election, voters in the states of Nevada, North Carolina, Texas and Ohio all reported that voting machines were switching their votes for Romney over to Obama.

    #8 There were more than 50 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Mitt Romney received 2 votes or less.

    #9 There were more than 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Barack Obama received more than 99 times the votes that Mitt Romney did.

    #10 Barack Obama also received more than 99% of the vote in a number of very important precincts down in Broward County, Florida.

    #11 Wood County, Ohio (which Obama won) has a voting age population of 98,213, but somehow 106,258 voters were registered to vote on election day.

    #12 Ten counties in the swing state of Colorado have a voter registration rate of more than 100%.

    #13 Barack Obama did not win in a single state that absolutely requires a photo I.D. in order to vote.

    #14 In Ohio, two election judges were caught allowing unregistered voters to cast ballots.

    #15 Many Ohio voters that showed up at the polls on election day were surprised when they were informed that they had already voted.

    #16 In fact, there were reports all over the nation of people being unable to vote because records showed that they had already voted.

    #17 According to U.S. Representative Allen West, there were numerous “voting irregularities” in St. Lucie County, Florida on election day…

    “The thing that spurred our curiosity in our race was the fact that at 1 o’clock in the morning on Election Night, all of a sudden there was a 4,000-vote swing that took me from being ahead to put the lead into my opponent’s hands.”

    #18 In Wisconsin, there were allegations that Obama voters were actually being bussed in from out of state…

    The Democrats stationed a self described “BIG Chicago pro bono attorney” as one of their two observers at this small polling place. He remained at the polling place from 7:00 a.m. until well after 8:p.m. …..A high priced CHICAGO attorney, sitting in a Sheboygan WISCONSIN polling place, observing wards comprised of 1500 voters? …. WHY???
    Why would someone from Chicago be observing in Sheboygan Wisconsin? And WHY at such a small polling place? Finally, isn’t it interesting that this would occur at the VERY polling place in which all of the above described events ALSO occurred? AGAIN WHY WOULD A CHICAGO ATTORNEY BE OBSERVING AN ELECTION POLLING PLACE WITH FEWER THAN 1500 VOTERS IN IT, IN SHEBOYGAN WISCONSIN? Of all the places where there has been suspected voting irregularities, and OUTRIGHT FRAUD throughout the ENTIRE United States, WHY HERE? WHY SHEBOYGAN? WHY THIS SMALL WARD?

    This lawyer spent the day running in and out making, and taking calls, which coincidentally then coincided with influxes of groups of individuals by the van and bus loads, coming in to register, AND VOTE, using what appeared to be copied Allient energy bills. These individuals often did not have photo I.D.’s, could not remember their own addresses without looking at the paper, and became easily tripped, confused and annoyed when questioned.

    Many of these same individuals, just so happened to be dressed in/wearing CHICAGO BEARS apparel, and whom openly discussed “catching busses back to Chicago” with each other, with poll workers, via their cell phones in the lobby area just outside the polling place, as well as in the parking lot, both before and AFTER registering and voting.

    One woman was dressed head to toe in CHICAGO BEARS apparel including perfectly manicured BEARS fake fingernails!

    She complained because registering was taking too long and she had to hurry up to catch her bus back to Chicago.

    We have photos of these people in vehicles with plates from different states, photos of them leaving the polls, and other irregularities.

    #19 Prior to election day, an Obama for America staffer was caught on video trying to help someone register to vote in more than one state.

    #20 It is being alleged that unions in Nevada have been registering illegal immigrants and pressuring them to vote.

    #21 According to townhall.com, there was a systematic effort by the Obama campaign to suppress the military vote because they knew that most military votes would go against Obama…

    Aiding Obama’s win was a devious suppression of the conservative vote. The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.

    #22 According to the Naval Enlisted Reserve Association, it appears that thousands of military votes from this election will never be counted at all.

    So what do you think about all of this?

    Do you still believe that elections in America are fair and honest?

  74. So what do you think about all of this?

    Do you still believe that elections in America are fair and honest?

    ——-
    Seems like the RNC is fine and dandy with the results of the election and it’s tampered voting machines.

    They didn’t listen to us in 2008 and only West is fighting against the corruption now.
    Pretty damn sad for both parties, the cheaters and the opposition that lets them get away with it.

    I am disgusted with the whole batch of idiots.

  75. Thomas Paine in 1776: “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

  76. sirmrks
    November 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
    ************

    Wisconsin has same day voting registration, guess you can figure out why…

  77. holyshit can this be true? off of ulstermans comments

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

    SallyAl
    November 16, 2012 at 10:07 pm
    Kim-yes this is true. Truth&Justice and I have been commenting on it. The case was recently relitigated and updated case/opinion/outcome can be found here:
    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca3/09-4615/09-4615-2012-03-08.html

    Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud
    Posted on November 15, 2012 by Dr. Eowyn | 49 Comments
    Friends and Patriots,

    It’s major duct tape time ’cause you’ll need it to keep your head from exploding.
    Are you ready for this?

    Here we go….

    There is now compelling and undeniable evidence that MAJOR vote fraud had been perpetrated in the November 2012 Election. See FOTM’s posts chronicling the extensive pervasive fraud by going to our “2012 Election” page below our FOTM masthead, and click on those post links colored neon green.

    But our screaming and hollering are to no avail. No one is listening to us. Not even the Republican Party.

    Here’s why….

    The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud.
    Yes. You read it correctly.

    In fact, legally the GOP cannot ensure voting integrity, nor can it prevent vote fraud.

    Here’s the astounding reason, which is kept from the American people.

    PolitiJim writes for Gulag Bound, November 13, 2012, that during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht related a meeting she had with Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?

    Nothing. They aren’t legally able to.

    This all goes back to a lawsuit 31 years ago, in 1981. The following is compiled from an account on The Judicial View, a legal website specializing in court decision research and alerts, and from “Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee,” Case No. 09-4615.

    In 1981, during the gubernatorial election in New Jersey (NJ), a lawsuit was brought against the RNC, the NJ Republican State Committee (RSC), and three individuals (John A. Kelly, Ronald Kaufman, and Alex Hurtado), accusing them of violating the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (VRA), 42 U.S.C. §§ 1971, 1973, and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

    The lawsuit was brought by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the NJ Democratic State Committee (DSC), and two individuals (Virginia L. Peggins and Lynette Monroe).

    The lawsuit alleged that:

    The RNC and RSC targeted minority voters in New Jersey in an effort to intimidate them.
    The RNC created a voter challenge list by mailing sample ballots to individuals in precincts with a high percentage of racial or ethnic minority registered voters. Then the RNC put the names of individuals whose postcards were returned as undeliverable on a list of voters to challenge at the polls.
    The RNC enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs and police officers with “National Ballot Security Task Force” armbands, to intimidate voters by standing at polling places in minority precincts during voting. Some of the officers allegedly wore firearms in a visible manner.
    To settle the lawsuit, in 1982, the RNC and RSC entered into an agreement or Consent Decree, which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance. The following is what the RNC and RSC, in the Consent Decree, agreed they would do:

    [I]n the future, in all states and territories of the United States:

    (a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;

    (b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause said signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;

    (c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;

    (d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

    (e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

    (f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.

    The RNC also agreed that the RNC, its agents, servants, and employees would be bound by the Decree, “whether acting directly or indirectly through other party committees.”

    As modified in 1987, the Consent Decree defined “ballot security activities” to mean “ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud.”

    Since 1982, that Consent Decree has been renewed every year by the original judge, Carter appointee District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise, now 88 years old. Long retired, Debevoise comes back for the sole purpose of renewing his 1981 order for another year.

    U.S. District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise
    In 2010, the RNC unsuccessfully appealed “to vacate or modify” the Consent Decree in “Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee,” Case No. 09-4615 (C.A. 3, Mar. 8, 2012). (I paid The Judicial Review $10 for the PDF of Case No. 09-4615 and uploaded the 59-page document to FOTM’s media library. To read Case No. 09-4615, click here!)

    This is a summary of the appeals judge’s ruling, filed on March 8, 2012:

    In 1982, the Republican National Committee (“RNC”) and the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) entered into a consent decree (the “Decree” or “Consent Decree”), which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance. The RNC appeals from a judgment of the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey denying, in part, the RNC’s Motion to Vacate or Modify the Consent Decree. Although the District Court declined to vacate the Decree, it did make modifications to the Decree. The RNC argues that the District Court abused its discretion by modifying the Decree as it did and by declining to vacate the Decree. For the following reasons, we will affirm the District Court’s judgment.

    Surprise! The judge who denied the RNC’s appeal to “vacate” the 1982 Consent Decree is an Obama appointee, Judge Joseph Greenaway, Jr., of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.

    Judge Joseph Greenaway, Jr., U.S. Court of Appeals, 3rd Circuit
    Guy Benson of Townhall.com points out that in last Tuesday’s election, Obama only won by 406,348 votes in 4 states:

    Florida: 73,858
    Ohio: 103,481
    Virginia: 115,910
    Colorado: 113,099
    Those four states, with a collective margin of 406,348 votes for Obama, add up to 69 electoral votes. Had Romney won 407,000 or so additional votes in the right proportion in those states, he would have 275 electoral votes.

    All four states showed Romney ahead in the days leading up to the election. But on November 6, Romney lost all four states by a substantial margin, all of which have precincts that inexplicably went 99% for Obama, had voter registrations that exceeded their population, and had experienced problems with voting machines.

    This election was stolen by the Democrats via vote fraud. Despite all the evidence of fraud, the Republican Party has been strangely silent about it.

    Now you know why.

    I’ll leave you with one last, even more disturbing thought:
    The RNC and DNC made their Consent Decree 30 years ago, in 1982. The agreement in effect gives a carte blanche to the Democrat Party to commit vote fraud in every voting district across America that has, in the language of the Consent Decree, “a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations.” The term “substantial proportion” is not defined.

    The Democrat Party knew this 30 years ago, more than enough time to put a plan in place to identify and groom their “perfect candidate” — in the words of Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) in 2008, a “light-skinned” black Democrat who has “no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one.”

    Being a black Democrat, this perfect candidate would get the support of almost all black Americans (96% in 2008!) and other racial minorities (two-thirds of Hispanics in 2008).
    Being a “light-skinned” black with “no Negro dialect”, this perfect candidate would get the support of white Americans perpetually guilt-ridden about America’s original sin of slavery.
    It doesn’t matter if this “perfect candidate” has dubious Constitutional eligibility to be president. They would see to it that his original birth certificate (if there is one) would never see the light of day. The same with his other documents — his passports, school and college records, draft registration, and medical records (so we’ll never know why Obama has that very long scar from one side of his head to the other.)

    Now, we understand the significance of the account Tom Fife wrote during the 2008 presidential campaign. Fife, a U.S. government contractor, claims that in 1992 while he was visiting Moscow, a woman with undying allegiance to Soviet Communism (the Soviet Union had recently collapsed, on December 31, 1991) told him that a black man named Barack, born of a white American woman and an African male, was being groomed by communists to be, and would be elected, President of the United States.

    Now, we finally understand the cryptic remark made in May 2010, by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan: “Obama was selected before he was elected.”

    In 2008, this “perfect candidate” won the presidential election. And despite his many failures in his first term, he would be reelected in 2012 for a second term via massive vote fraud. But nothing would be done about the vote fraud, because of that Consent Decree signed by the RNC 30 years ago.

    The Republican Party is dead — and with it, the U.S. two-party system as well — and the sooner we voters recognize that the better.

    The question that remains is whether the American Republic is also dead.

    UPDATE (NOV. 16, 2012):
    Since I published this post yesterday, we’ve been asking each other: “What can I/we do about this?” Here are my suggestions:

    1. If you are a registered Republican, QUIT! Switch your voter registration ID to non-partisan Independent.

    2. Stop donating money, not even one penny, to the GOP. Tell them why.

    3. Spread the word. Please send the URL of this post (http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/) to:

    EVERYONE on your email list.
    Media people for whom you have email addresses.
    Tea Party groups you know.
    Post the link on your Facebook page.
    Post the link as your comment on websites and blogs you visit.
    Just so you know: It makes no monetary difference to us how many people read this post. Fellowship of the Minds is an ad-free blog. We don’t make even a penny in revenue because we don’t have ads. All of our writers work our butts off, for no pay, as a labor of love for our country.

    ~Eowyn

  78. The ugly underbelly of political correctness

    The FBI has scrubbed virtually all references to Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, Muslim terrorism, etc., from their training manuals. Instead, they refer vaguely to “violent extremism.”

    This was not any accident. It’s institutionalized policy. As the FBI once pretended the Mafia didn’t exist, it is now the policy of the FBI that references to Al Qaeda or Muslim terrorism should be rare. For example, the FBI’s Counter-Terrorism Analytical Lexicon — a standardization of definitions of important words used in counter-terrorism — does not define “Muslim terrorism” or “Islamic extremism” or “Jihad.” Apparently these words are not part of the analytical lexicon — although less terms which do not implicate Islamism, such as “terrorism” or “violent extremism,” are part of the lexicon.

    Ace

  79. Sources: Obama Knew Benghazi Was Terrorism Before Deploying Rice

    12:41 PM PDT 78 post a comment

    According to the Washington Guardian, it wasn’t just CIA Director David Petraeus who knew that the attacks on the American consulate in Benghazi were terrorism linked with al Qaeda. It was the White House. And they knew it well in advance of Ambassador Susan Rice’s appearances on national television to lie to the American public about a “spontaneous” demonstration based on a YouTube video spurring the assault.

    The Guardian reports:

    U.S. intelligence told President Barack Obama and senior administration officials within 72 hours of the Benghazi tragedy that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region, officials directly familiar with the information told the Washington Guardian on Friday ….

    The details from the CIA and Pentagon assessments of the killing of Ambassador Chris Stephens were far more specific, more detailed and more current than the unclassified talking points that UN Ambassador Susan Rice and other officials used five days after the attack to suggest to Americans that an unruly mob angry over an anti-Islamic video was to blame, officials said.

    Most of the details affirming al-Qaida links were edited or excluded from the unclassified talking points used by Rice the following weekend, officials confirmed Friday.

    Two days ago during his righteously indignant press conference, President Obama said that Rice was sent out on the Sunday shows at the behest of the White House. We now know that the talking points she used were edited by someone – and that the White House knew they had been edited. In other words, the White House knew that Rice would lie before she ever set foot on a television set. Rice is culpable for playing the flack for Obama. But Obama is right: we should be going after him. He knew. And he promoted lies to get him past election day.

  80. OMG.

    I thought I had escaped the nasty black woman Whoopi Goldgerg mentality when I escaped the Paterson Public Schools but noooooooooo.

    We are a nation run by Whoopi Goldberg and crew.

    I thought it couldn’t get any worse. I was wrong. Now we’ve got the Michelle Obama- Whoopi brigade riding roughshod over white Americans.

    I want to move to Canada. Just take a look at these fugly loud-mouthed incompetent ignorant shrill affirmative action shrews.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/house-dems-call-mccain-racist-sexist-and-say-he-battered-susan-rice

  81. OK. Now I’m getting furious.

    These same black hags who wouldn’t lift a finger to stand up for HRC when THEY stole delegates from her and gifted them to the pos now want ME to protest the alleged mistreatment of the lying anti-Israel pro-Hamas Bytch Susan Rice??????????

    These black bytches who didn’t defend HRC’s New Hampshire tears but grow giddy at the sight of the pos welling up TWICE when he STOLE the second (s)election in a row now want me to defend them?????????

    Screw them all, the entire fat nasty ugly-faced lot..

  82. I wish Hillary would decide to stay for at least 2 more years just to fcuk up Rice. I have NEVER forgot the “monster” remark by that bytch.

    Hillary staying would fcuk with her head.

    2 years and then HRC could decide if she’s running in 16. Also, interesting that all the WOMEN in govt NOW comes to Rice’s defense when very few of them defended Hillary.

  83. Read an article over at Breitbart. Christie Slams Romney, “You can’t expect to be a leader of all the people and be divisive.”

    So Christie hugs and sucks up to Obama who is the most divisive president anyone can remember while slamming his own Rep. party candidate.

    Christie makes me sick to hear him, he makes me sick to LOOK at him, he makes me sick to see his ego driven politics.

    I would not vote for him for dog catcher.

  84. I actually liked Christie because he spoke out against the bs….then he needed Barry and started kissing his ass with the excuse it would help NJ.

    Now attacking Mitt….did he fall in love with Barry?

    He’s toast in my opinion.

  85. Is it true that NJ turned down help from an Alabama crew who came up there to help after the hurricane because they were from a right to work state?

    If that is true and Christie sucks up to a president who flies in for a photo op with him BEFORE the election and yet the people are still hurting and without the things they need in this horrendous clean up, I’d say that Christie should be worse than toast.

  86. What makes the current issue so outrageous is that the White House deliberately fucked with an intel community product in order to cook the results.–LJ

    This conclusion is now incontrovertible. Who in the White House did this has yet to be determined.

  87. Looks like the Black Caucus forgot about Susan Rice’s part in the Rwanda Genocide, advising the Clintons to stay out of it as bystanders. And she was part of the screw up with the Clinton’s and Bin Laden.

    I guess they are still working for the crumbs from Obama. Sad. And another discredit to Civil Rights.

    ———————–
    BASIL99
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    OMG.

    ….

    I want to move to Canada. Just take a look at these fugly loud-mouthed incompetent ignorant shrill affirmative action shrews.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/house-dems-call-mccain-racist-sexist-and-say-he-battered-susan-rice

  88. Shadowfax
    November 16th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
    Wbb

    My guess is either Barry or his puppetmaster, Jarrett. No one else would dare be this stupid?
    —————–
    My guess is Donolin.

  89. Shadowfax
    November 16th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
    ——————-
    I agree– put a fork in him . . . or in his case, a harpoon in the Orca.

  90. I guess the blacks now have the power.

    This afternoon, President Barack Obama consulted with MSNBC host Al Sharpton, who’s also assicated with the National Action Network (NAN), about the fiscal talks between the White House and Congress. At the same meeting, Obama also consulted with other “leaders of civil rights and civic organizations.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-consults-msnbc-host-al-sharpton-and-other-civil-rights-leaders-fiscal-talks_663493.html

  91. The faeries did it!

    @SharylAttkisson

    CBS: white house says it wasn’t them or state dept that removed al qaeda from CIA talking pts after benghazi.

  92. I am still puzzled by how everything was called so very quickly and without drama on election night. Almost like let us get this thing over quickly, kind of like washing ones hands. I think GOP should run Black candidates and for every criticism of their ineptitude, they should cry racism and sexism. That parade of black women berating the Republicans as going after women and minorities is sad and utterly distasteful. They learn from their master. Race thing under Obama has got that much more insidious.

  93. pm317
    November 17th, 2012 at 8:53 am
    I am still puzzled by how everything was called so very quickly and without drama on election night. Almost like let us get this thing over quickly, kind of like washing ones hands. I think GOP should run Black candidates and for every criticism of their ineptitude, they should cry racism and sexism. That parade of black women berating the Republicans as going after women and minorities is sad and utterly distasteful. They learn from their master. Race thing under Obama has got that much more insidious.
    ———————-
    Agreed. But one thing has become crystal clear. These hard core leftists cannot run the country successfully. All they can do is run everything into the ground. Kennan traveled extensively in Russia in the years following forced collectivization. He was struck by the fact that the people who lived in the villages were less concerned about their own miserable lot, and much more concerned about whether anyone else in the village was doing a little better than they were, even if that might also make their own life better. That is not a defense of the current system which is weighted too much in favor of billionaires, who are using the middle class as a human shield to protect themselves from the rising tide of underclass. It is, however, an indictment of the bankrupt ruthlessness of the hard left which cost nearly a billion lives in the last century. And no one captured their perverse mindset better than Orwell who as had been a true believer but came to realize that the hard left is the secular variant of pure evil. His deep insight, set forth below, should be kept in mind constantly as we watch Obama.

    The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”

  94. I have a few questions about the women involved in this scandal.

    1. Is Patraeous Mistress employed by WHOM, The Department of the Army, a Contractor, or privately by the General. They say they have lifted her security clearance, so I think one of the two. So under what job description was she hired to qualify for this job? Why would she need access to classified material other than what Patraous would give her.

    2. Kelly, what job was she performing that would qualify her to briefings on any aspect of this countries military activities international or otherwise. A social integrator, or whatever she was would have no need for this. Was she earning a salary from the Government or any other entity that required this exposure. If she was employed at all, by whom, and what were their intentions.

    Both women were known to be involved with contractors after governmnet business. Broadwell was used in at least one film demonstrating a firearm. The contractor thought it would inflence Patraeous in purchasing the item. Kelly tried to negotiate a contract with a $80 Million dollar fee for herself. Patraeous even told her to back off using his name.

    Yet both women this month were allowed unusual access to the White House.

  95. Steve Diamond • 11 hours ago −
    Larry, The NSC was not renamed by Brennan. Only Congress can do that or change the NSC as it was created by statute. What happened is in some ways more serious and insidious. Obama used a Presidential Directive to merge the staff of the HSC and NSC and create an NSS that reports to Brennan. This drains power away from the NSC and its Congressionally approved officers and Cabinet members. This is part of the dual power or shadow government structure that has been a hallmark of Obama and Jarrett from day one. It centralizes power in a less accountable and legitimate and transparent form. This structure may have been responsible for how the President outmaneuvered Petraeus and others during recent events.
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    Steve Diamond Steve Diamond • 2 hours ago
    Sorry, of course, the NSS report to Donilon not Brennan.

  96. Just to remind everyone who Donilon is, he is the White House leaker in chief to the NYT on sensitive security matters. He is a political hack of the lowest order. He is the one Pat Caddell put his finger on as releasing classified information to help the Obama campaign. Would someone who has the power described by Steve Diamond and the motive described by Pat Caddell not alter the talking points which were sent to the White House by the CIA, to delete the reference to al Quaeda after his boss promised the country that he had al Quaeda on the run. It is illogical to assume he would’t. Let’s stop kidding around. This is obviously the guy who is responsible.

  97. BREAKING: The president knew the truth about Benghazi
    By Jennifer Rubin

    In a blockbuster report, John Solomon, the former Associated Press and Post reporter, has ferreted out the president’s daily brief that informed him within 72 hours of the Sept. 11 attack that the Benghazi attack was a jihadist operation.

    Citing officials directly familiar with the information, Solomon writes in the Washington Guardian that Obama and other administration officials were told that “that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region.”

    He adds:

    The details from the CIA and Pentagon assessments of the killing of Ambassador Chris [Stevens] were far more specific, more detailed and more current than the unclassified talking points that UN Ambassador Susan Rice and other officials used five days after the attack to suggest to Americans that an unruly mob angry over an anti-Islamic video was to blame, officials said.
    Most of the details affirming al-Qaida links were edited or excluded from the unclassified talking points used by Rice in appearances on news programs the weekend after the attack, officials confirmed Friday. Multiple agencies were involved in excising information, doing so because it revealed sources and methods, dealt with classified intercepts or involved information that was not yet fully confirmed, the officials said.
    Solomon cautions that there were bits of evidence pointing to a spontaneous attack but, as Eli Lake of the Daily Beast and others have reported, he writes: “Among the early evidence cited in the briefings to the president and other senior officials were intercepts showing some of the participants were known members or supporters of Ansar al-Sharia — the al-Qaida-sympathizing militia in Libya — and the AQIM, which is a direct affiliate of al-Qaida in northern Africa, the officials said.”

    How could the president and his senior staff then have allowed (or rather, sent) Rice to go out to tell an entirely different tale to the American people on Sept. 16 on five TV shows?

    This report indicates that the president certainly knew that Benghazi wasn’t a rogue movie review gone bad. He had information that plainly spelled out what was later confirmed by additional intelligence. If this information was too confidential to share with the public, at the very least the president and others should not have mislead voters.

    This is a full-blown scandal, and in light of this information, the press corps’s slothful indifference to uncovering the truth at Wednesday’s news conference with Obama is all the more shocking. It is time for the president to come clean. The scandal has now enveloped the Oval Office and will define his second term, if not resolved satisfactorily.

    The irony of this is that Rice may well have been used as a patsy, unaware that she was sent out to spin a misleading tale. My colleague Dana Milbank recounts Rice’s long-standing inability to get along with others and to be circumspect in her pronouncements:

    It’s true that, in her much-criticized TV performance, she was reciting talking points given to her by the intelligence agencies. But that’s the trouble. Rice stuck with her points even though they had been contradicted by the president of the Libyan National Assembly, who, on CBS’s ‘Face the Nation’ just before Rice, said there was “no doubt” that the attack on Americans in Benghazi “was preplanned.” Rice rebutted the Libyan official, arguing — falsely, it turned out — that there was no evidence of such planning. . . . Obama can do better at State than Susan Rice.
    Frankly the same could be said of many national security positions at this point. The American people made their choice in November on the president, but it now appears they were duped regarding the real facts concerning Benghazi. What are we going to do about that?

    By Jennifer Rubin | 05:18 PM ET, 11/16/2012

  98. Check this theory!

    Consider this possibility … the talking points came from the CIA, and they were altered by the campaign people in Chicago. The coverup has been about hiding the sharing of classified information with campaign officials who don’t have the proper clearance. This sharing of information could also be the source of the earlier leaks such as the virus in Iran’s nuclear program.

    I’ve always wondered why David Axelrod appeared on news programs to talk about the administration’s official policies when he was a campaign official. Those of us old enough to remember Watergate will recall the mixing of official administration business with CREEP (Committee to Reelect the President) activities and the Democrat’s outrage at the time. Perhaps we are seeing the results of a similar improper mix.

    CatDaddyKSC may be on to something, and I am highlighting his comment in the hope that the FBI and the staffs of the House and Senate committees will take notice. I suspect too that, if true, this is more than just an “improper mix.” Legal lines may have been crossed here with a political campaign redacting or helping to redact classified material it should never have seen in the first place.

    What may emerge is a kind of government by cabal, a super-government composed of David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, and possibly a few others who operated, in the service of the president, above and beyond our legal and constitutional systems — all the time thinking what they did was for the better good of our country.

    Events like Benghazi could and should be whitewashed, since in their views Obama’s continued rule was of paramount importance. To say this is a crime beyond Watergate is to understate it. In the coming days we shall see how this evolves. It is the duty of every American citizen to watch carefully, since many forces conspire to push it under the rug.

    From Roger Simon PJ Media

  99. Basil:

    “The coverup has been about hiding the sharing of classified information with campaign officials who don’t have the proper clearance.” + “I’ve always wondered why David Axelrod appeared on news programs to talk about the administration’s official policies when he was a campaign official.”

    BINGO!!!!

    I have asked this over and over and over. Answer?

    “Crickets”

  100. Foxy @ 2:43 – I look for reasons to cite this article which should have been spoken over and over when tee vee first met her. Sadly I think no one realizes the enormity of her accomplishments, nor will they credit the impeccable source. So once again for auld lang syne:
    TransCanada Gets Alaska Governor Palin’s Approval for Pipeline By Eduard Gismatullin – August 29, 2008 03:20 EDT
    Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) — TransCanada Corp., the nation’s largest pipeline company, won approval from Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to build a $27 billion pipeline to carry natural gas from the Arctic to U.S. markets. Palin on Aug. 27 signed a bill authorizing the state to award Calgary-based TransCanada a license to build the 1,715- mile (2,744-kilometer) link from Prudhoe Bay to the Alberta Hub in Canada, according to a statement. The license will be granted in 90 days….
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=acNe2vW46POk

    Per two comments between yours and this, always the same impediment to reasonable awareness of facts. tee vee.

  101. The way I feel is, anyone like Axelgrease, Holder, Jarrett or Donilon may have changed the talking points for Rice, but there is no way Barry didn’t know about it.
    He may not have been the one that typed it and printed it out, but that doesn’t mean he was kept out of the loop or didn’t agree to it.

    Think about how that would appear, that one of his underlings made up a lie, pushed Rice onto all MSM Sunday shows and lil’ Barry was so distracted he didn’t notice it, didn’t have a press conference to correct the error to the Amerian public.
    That would prove he is just a puppet.

    No way Barry can stay innocent on this.

  102. Norma Desmond
    November 17th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I’m afraid we will hear no coverage of this from LSM. Deflect, deny, dismiss.

    Disgusting.

  103. “No way Barry can stay innocent on this.”

    In a sane world you would be right. But we live in Biazrro Bronco Bammy World.

  104. OT.

    Don’t know whether this will make you laugh or cry but it is sure to get your attention.

    What a college degree gets you these days

  105. why did Romney concede? He should have said that before conceding there needed to be some checking on voting irregularities in certain states. basically, he could do what West is doing. we will never know who really won, but I believe
    it was Romney.

  106. Anyone else think this is possible? GOP can’t challenge voter fraud because of a 30 year old consent decree?

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

    Guy Benson of Townhall.com points out that in last Tuesday’s election, Obama only won by 406,348 votes in 4 states:

    • Florida: 73,858
    • Ohio: 103,481
    • Virginia: 115,910
    • Colorado: 113,099

    Those four states, with a collective margin of 406,348 votes for Obama, add up to 69 electoral votes. Had Romney won 407,000 or so additional votes in the right proportion in those states, he would have 275 electoral votes.

    All four states showed Romney ahead in the days leading up to the election. But on November 6, Romney lost all four states by a substantial margin, all of which have precincts that inexplicably went 99% for Obama, had voter registrations that exceeded their population, and had experienced problems with voting machines.

    This election was stolen by the Democrats via vote fraud. Despite all the evidence of fraud, the Republican Party has been strangely silent about it.

  107. Beginning to think Mitt was the fall guy for the repubs as well as the dims. Too many repub bigwhigs coming out against him. Like they are happy the pos won. Gives them an excuse to implement the policies they say they are against. I call BS. They want millions of illegal aliens granted amnesty, insurance, government assistance. We have been shafted.

  108. We have been shafted.

    ——–
    Yes we have and I keep asking myself why the RNC and big ticket R’s didn’t fight for Mitt, they tossed up the white flag before the votes were even counted.

  109. Allen West Closer to Triggering Full Recount

    UPDATE 2: BNN’s source Hawkes reports the early vote retabulation has been completed.

    County operatives have begun to count the 304 lost ballots by hand, and the Supervisor of Elections (SOE) has begun uploading data from the voting machines’ memory cards—a process that takes roughly an hour to complete. Representatives from both sides are monitoring the process. The final vote count is expected at midnight eastern time.

    Original story continues below:

    Congressman Allen West may gain enough votes to trigger a full recount of the Nov. 6 election results, which initially went for Democrat Patrick Murphy, sources monitoring the race in Florida’s Congressional District 18 have told Breitbart News.

  110. You know, the election was JUST TOO Weird. It was like the RNC did not want to win. I mean, the support was never really there.

    Glad to see Allen West standing up. I voted for him when he was in my district, but they redistricted before this election.

    Go Allen!

    ———————————————-
    BASIL99
    November 17th, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Anyone else think this is possible? GOP can’t challenge voter fraud because of a 30 year old consent decree?

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

    Guy Benson of Townhall.com points out that in last Tuesday’s election, Obama only won by 406,348 votes in 4 states:

    • Florida: 73,858
    • Ohio: 103,481
    • Virginia: 115,910
    • Colorado: 113,099

  111. Not to be a downer, but the apparently a majority of people do not give a flying f—
    about what he knew, didn’t know, or anything else he does or fails to do as long
    as they get their government handouts. It may or may not have cost him the election but Romneys 47% comments (more like 52%) were true and his post election discussion with donors was also correct. This is why I fear for this countries future. As for Christie, anyone who watched his speech at the RNC knew this guy is a pompous, self -serving, RINO.
    ——————————————
    On another topic, once again as Israel defends itself the world press lives in a parallel
    universe. To have rockets fired on your cities for years, and basically take it, showed a
    lot of restraint. Now that Israel defends herself and is kicking some serious ass, the world is rushing in to stop the escalation. If we just let Israel do what she needs to do both in Gaza and Iran, it will be a much safer world.

  112. Carol
    November 17th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    why did Romney concede? He should have said that before conceding there needed to be some checking on voting irregularities in certain states. basically, he could do what West is doing. we will never know who really won, but I believe
    it was Romney.
    &&&&&&&&

    If Obama had lost by the same 3% margins, but had major doubts by enough swing states to tip the electoral vote, I am SURE he would have NOT conceded, saying, “we need to hear from ALL the voters”. Romney bowed to pressure to give the country the fake feeling of “stability” of knowing the election is done with in a few hours.

    Unless an election is a blow out, and not just by popular vote, but by electorals, the whole fucking process needs to be slowed down. MSM should insist that there are far too many irregularities and far too many uncounted votes (provisional ballots, overseas ballots, recounts) to make snap decisions, especially where the margin of difference is 1 or 2%.

    Oh, did I says MSM? Silly me. They are mere “interns” fetching coffee for the powerful elite.

    I meant “the people”. That means you and me.

  113. jbstonesfan

    Not to be a downer

    ———
    I’m not about to call you or anyone else a downer because the news is terrible no matter where you look.

  114. On another topic, once again as Israel defends itself the world press lives in a parallel
    universe.
    ******
    I’m not sure when it gained “traction” but over the past ten years, the antisemitism of the “left” has become virulent. It’s as if the left’s mantra has become the Worlds 1.3 billion Muslims are being victimized by the world Jewry of 13.3 million. The current US leadership with, at best, a policy of “equivalence” in the Middle East is playing with the lives of 42.5% of the world Jewish population. There is no doubt in my mind that the goal of most Muslims, is a Middle East that is “Judenfrei”. It also appears that a significant number of American Jews have bought into the same leftist hand-wringing. I really don’t get it.

  115. LANSING, MI – A federal appeals court on Thursday struck down Michigan’s 2006 voter-approved ban against using affirmative action in university admissions.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/michigans_affirmative_action_b.html

    The state’s constitutional amendment – Proposal 2 – is unconstitutional because it “reorders the political process in Michigan to place special burdens on minority interests,” the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in an 8-7 vote.

    ~~~
    Special burdens? Like what – being qualified?

  116. Seems to me Republicans are clearly in step with Dems at this time, feeling all warm and fuzzy that TEA party advancement in DC has been turned back. In no uncertain terms, its influence has it suffered a severe blow. The winds of futility for any efforts on behalf of Main Street are an excellent reason for Romney not to challenge even the most obvious voter fraud. Surely the timing of Mitt’s defining Obama’s “gift strategy” means he entertains no idea of being Oh’s SOB. I wonder what direction he will take.

    The following opinion is not what Big Pink commenters are currently espousing, but thot I’d submit it anyway. For me it is a good reminder of some recent political history which I had forgotten.
    Final thoughts, first thoughts
    The Lowell SunUpdated: 11/18/2012 By Michael Goldman
    Final thoughts on 2012 and first thoughts on 2016. The truth nobody else will tell you is that this year’s presidential election was won back in 2004, and there was little Mitt Romney or any Republican nominee could have done to change the outcome. Statistics show that in 2004, about 45 percent of Hispanics voted for Republican George W. Bush, the largest percentage of support for any Republican presidential candidate by Hispanics in history. Yet as recently as 1988, only about 28 percent of Hispanics had voted for the Republican candidate for president.
    The four biggest reasons for this substantial growth in support by Hispanics during that period were that as conservative Catholics, Hispanics tended to be opposed to the Democrats positions on abortion and gay marriage; that they realized that in the Republican Party they were the top minority group, not second in status to blacks as was the case in the Democratic Party; that like many Republicans they viewed themselves as entrepreneurial in philosophy, willing to work hard in a free-enterprise system in order to achieve upward mobility; and that like many other Republicans, they were suspect of any aggressive government oversight that they believed from their personal experiences was more likely to be a burden on them, rather than an asset to them. In 2004, George W. Bush and Karl Rove saw the potential of permanently integrating this expanding bloc of new voters into a coalition with the shrinking, but still potent numbers of older white voters, thus potentially creating a new unbeatable majority capable of electing Republicans presidential candidates for decades to come. Working with John McCain, Ted Kennedy and others, Bush and Rove advocated some sort of permanent Pathway to Citizenship that would legalize the status of millions of Hispanic voters.
    Sadly for them, and ultimately Romney in 2012, the anti-immigration voices in the Republican Party at that time, including, but not limited to Sen. Jim DeMint, Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter, all saw Hispanics only through the prism of their potential illegality, rather than as possible social and economic soulmates to Republicans in the decades to come. The result of the rejection of the Bush/Rove vision was that this year only 21 percent of all Hispanics who cast ballots for president did so for the Republican candidate. The difference between receiving the 21 percent of the vote of 2012 instead of receiving the 45 percent vote as was the case in 2004, was that Romney lost Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia and Colorado. Winning those states would have made him president. Speaking for Democrats everywhere, thanks Jim, Pat, Rush, Laura and Ann and here’s hoping you keep those blinders on right through the 2016 cycle.
    And speaking of 2016…
    Read more: http://www.lowellsun.com/oped/ci_22021577/final-thoughts-first-thoughts#ixzz2CaZSJg5K

  117. holdthemaccountable
    November 18th, 2012 at 7:59 am
    ********

    Clearly giving amnesty to 20 million illegals is NOT the way to go. Reagan did it to 3 million and we got in exchange 20 mil. What next , 60 million illegals? It’s like turning the country over to the Muslims. Can’t or won’t beat them, then join them. Insane thinking. Close the damn boarders and take care of this countries freaking legal immigration.

    I am sick of people of this shit.

    Further more I do believe Romney won. I do believe it was stolen from him. I will take that to my grave. If we do not honor the vote, why bother? I have NEVER felt that way in my life…but I do now.

  118. It is being said that the reason Bill drug his sorry butt across the finish line (again) is because that would leave a clear path for a Hillary run in 2016. 🙂

  119. gonzotx 9:05 & 9:30
    ——————-
    I’m with you on it all. Lady Liberty lifts her lamp to those yearning to be free … not for those seeking a handout.
    BC can kiss mine too. IMO he has made a real fool of himself & that will hardly be helpful to HRC.
    Earlier I was over at realclear where I’m seeing articles of the message “he won. it’s time to move on.” The whole tone is trending conciliatory toward the won.
    Gonna be really tough to gin up efrfective resistance with the climate we have now.

  120. As an American I will NOT be blackmailed into changing my culture and ignoring the rule of law to legalize those who have forced their way inot this country and abused our generous system.
    That said, I feel we need a centrist movement- as vocal and potent as the Tea Party- to represent those of us in the center who advocate for fiscal responsibility, social responsibility and a new integrity in government.
    The answer is not more partisan politicians from either the far right or the far left.

    I think Bill is worried because many of his previos supporters voted for Romney. He is probably very concerned if Hillary can get those voters back.

  121. “anti-immigration voices”
    ————————
    I do not hear many anti-immigration Michael Goldman. I think there is some acknowledgment across the political spectrum that some amount of population growth is not undesirable. What I hear is anti-ILLEGAL immigration that does not stand in line like others who wish to enter our country and become lawful productive citizens, but pay wolves to sneake them in here illegally, drop a child and claim all the benefits of this system. But Michael Goldman, since you are indifferent to the idea of soverignty, and property rights, why don’t you tell me where you live, because there are alot of homeless Americans today, and in the same spirit in which you and your ilk tolerate people with no legal right to do so moving in here to live, with no guarantee that they will be lawful abiding citizens, I am going to pack up a busload of homeless Americans who will come into your home and become adverse possessors. Don’t worry Michael, you are gonna love it, and when your neighbors object to the drug deals, fights and bad contract, you can tell them its okay because you are a tolerant guy and they need to stop being such xenophobic racists. And that will make you their favorite neighbor, Michael.

  122. Leanora
    November 18th, 2012 at 6:01 am
    LANSING, MI – A federal appeals court on Thursday struck down Michigan’s 2006 voter-approved ban against using affirmative action in university admissions.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/michigans_affirmative_action_b.html

    The state’s constitutional amendment – Proposal 2 – is unconstitutional because it “reorders the political process in Michigan to place special burdens on minority interests,” the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in an 8-7 vote.

    ~~~

    That case will go to the Supreme Court. Roberts will fall through his ass again I expect. I do not expect great things from this man. What I expect is petty, small minded, cowardly, attention to politics and ignoring of the constitution. It is a fools errand to expect anything more out of a man like him who is intellectualy and morally bankrupt, in my opinion. He is Roger Taney to the great constitutional questions of our time, and that is a crown of thornes. Let him wear it with pride.

  123. The state’s constitutional amendment – Proposal 2 – is unconstitutional because it “reorders the political process in Michigan to place special burdens on minority interests
    ———————
    In other words, colorblind enforcement of the constitution places special burdens on minority interests. That is a complete non-sequitur.

  124. 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in an 8-7 vote.
    ————————–
    This is the same court that upheld Obama care. Scalia’s former clerk sits on that court and was part of the majority. He is a snake. But let us do this: lets take the same principle that they articulate and apply it to the court. Anyone outside the quota is OUT. The key to this whole thing is getting the elites–like Kennedy, to play by the same set of rules as they impose on society. Because the way it is now, in military parlance, they sit back at staff headquarters all safe and sound, and send their men out on missions they would never undertake themsleves because they are too dangerous. It is worse than hypocrisy.

  125. The 6th circuit has lowered itself to the position of being the arbiter of a racial spoils system. They need to understand that the real issue is not race struggle, it is class struggle, but the longer the elites can distract us with race and use it to beat up the middle class, the longer they can fool the people. A black radical I met when I was in law school was the first to tell me this, and what he said to me is like it or not kid, we are all just Buffalo Soldiers.

  126. NOW Goodwin returns to his journalistic roots? What took you so long? STFU fothermucker. Too little, too late.

    Bam hides terror truth

    By MICHAEL GOODWIN

    Until Friday, there were two possible explanations for why the White House failed to immediately call the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism. One was incompetence, the other was worse.

    Now there is only one, and it is the worse one. Based on the persuasive testimony of ex-CIA boss David Petraeus, it is clear the Obama administration made a deliberate decision to mislead Congress and the American people.

    The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.

    Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bam_hides_terror_truth_NR1M639HvJ4ZhJcywstHAI

  127. Now I know how Americans must have felt when their leaders were unwilling to stop Hitler and the Nazi. O was stuttering when he voiced support for Israel. Disgusting.

  128. Shadowfax
    November 16th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    sirmrks
    November 16th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    RNC Demands Voting Machines Changing Romney Votes to Obama Votes Be Fixed

    ——-

    This is so lame I could scream.

    These machines and their internal code is proof of election fraud and tampering…

    Why does the RNC want to cover up and fix the machines instead of using this proof to show the election was a scam?
    _____________________________________

    The letter’s dated 11/2, indicating they wanted the problems addressed before the election, not after.

  129. His “support” for Israel was about as convincing as their explanation on Benghazi. I was thinking about Romney’s concession speech as he walked off alone without his family , in a black suit, and turned around as he exited the podium. Reflecting back it was the end of his generation in America. A sad day for all of us who worked hard to build our own American dream.

  130. jbstonesfan,

    I agree with you on how phony the stuttering boob was when he made his statement on Israel. He could not even maintain eye contact. I hope Israel has friend in the legislature who can stand up for them and beat O with the Benghazi stick for them. Maybe someone can start a “Remember the Nazi” campaign. America has been here before. Does history need to repeat itself?

    And Romney’s loss is not the end of the American Dream. Ron Paul does have a good grip on the problem as he described in his farewell speech, even though he has no clue about any real solutions. The party is over and someone forgot to tell the guests.

    Romney was not alot better than O who had plans to rape our natural resources to fix our problems in the short term. Who knows if he would have gotten us some real financial and tax reform while he had that easy out. I was hoping more than knowing that he would.

    I, personally am going to organize my life to pay minimal taxes and qualify for all Obama’s free stuff. How long do you think it will last? I think O is working on another recession to justify another bailout so they can bankster again.

    We need a hero(ine). Where is Hillary?

  131. I have come to loathe, loathe the Democrats and the lefty latte liberals and the Obamaphone kind of people..Sure we need a safety net for the really vulnerable in the society but buying votes by making them more and more dependent on the government?! Where did the country of anything is possible if you put your mind to it, the classic American Dream concept country?

    Read on:

    http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2012/11/travel-and-reprise.html#comment-form

    I listened over the weekend to a parade of Democrats coming on the talk shows, one after another, calling for tax increases on the “wealthy.” Some of these calls would push our top rate to some 62%. The Democratic formula is simple. You take the money from the 40% of the people who pay income taxes, and you buy the votes of the 60% who do not–and if there’s a gap you borrow from the Chinese and the Japanese. This formula for political success and economic disaster was driven home to me when I was visiting a college campus many months ago. Nearly all the students were voting Democrat. They were full of outrage over some proposed cuts to local government services. None of these students pays income or property tax, few were from the community where they were now voting, and after their college years would move on. The bill would be paid by the local taxpayers; the goods, however, would be consumed by people who were not taxpayers.

  132. Some on the Right seem to think McCain and Graham mucked up the Benghazi investigation. I don’t understand how.

  133. I love this quote from Cicero – looking at his own decadent empire, Cicero wrote:

    “Do not blame Caesar; blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and given him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.”

    Can you believe that Cicero wrote those words over 2,000 years ago? It sounds like he is talking about obama and our recent election.

    History really does repeat itself.

  134. They should be conferring on how to best proceed with the offensive, not on how to pacify obama!

    Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman conferred urgently Sunday night on how to respond to US President Barack Obama’s insistent demand that they delay a major IDF ground operation in the Gaza Strip.
    http://www.debka.com/article/22539/Israeli-leaders-re-examine-Gaza-ground-operation-under-strong-Obama-pressure

  135. valleyboy
    November 18th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    I think the only way we will ever get voter fraud eliminated, either fraud by machines with no paper trail, or by illegals who are allowed to vote while our solders are disenfranchised is for Americans who work surprise the powers controlling our elections by staging a mass walk out to cripple the nation until we are given a “will be done by” date. And if they miss the date or try to screw us some other way, walk out again and again till they get it right.

  136. Leanora November 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Friday that Congress should stop placing legal limits on the amount of money the government can borrow and effectively lift the debt limit to infinity.”

    ========

    This would be the end of the road for American leadership in the world.

    In recent weeks I have had to defend Hillary’s career at State, against people who compare her unfavorably to more productive or ingenious Secretaries of the past, or who are simply against her because she has worked in partnership with Obama.

    Each time, I have recalled Hillary’s statement of 2009 when she warned that the US debt was hampering our ability to act in our own interest, a statement that was not only embarrassing to Obama but was a sharp insight into what actually constitutes our power in the 21st century.

    Now Geithner wants that debt to extend to infinity?

    As the following article shows, Hillary has not budged from her assessment of 2009 and indeed has her hands tied by the situation of US businesses beleaguered by the spendthrift policies of the administration, and that no longer have the confidence necessary to invest. Many foreign countries are aware of this lack of confidence, perhaps no more than in Asia.

    ========

    Clinton says budget deal critical to U.S. global role, security

    By David Brunnstrom
    SINGAPORE | Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:40am EST

    (Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Saturday that reaching a deal to resolve

    America’s budget crisis is critical to its global leadership and national security and would bolster efforts to project U.S. economic power around the world.

    Speaking in Singapore during a tour of Asia and Australia, Clinton said that when she was in Asia last year during the height of debate about the U.S. debt ceiling, leaders from across the region asked her if the U.S. Congress would actually allow the United States to default on its debt.

    “Let’s be clear,” she said. “The full faith and credit of the United States should never be in question.”

    However, Clinton, who spoke at Singapore Management University, said that with Washington gearing up for another round of budget negotiations, she was “again hearing concerns about the global implications of America’s economic choices”.

    Clinton, who says she will step down as secretary of state early next year and has ruled out running again for the U.S. presidency in 2016, said she was now “out of politics”.

    She said that despite all the differences between the U.S. political parties, “we are united in our commitment to protect American leadership and bolster our national security”.

    “Reaching a meaningful budget deal is a critical to both,” she said. “It would shore up our ability to project economic power around the globe, strengthen our position in the competition of ideas shaping the global marketplace, and remind all nations that we remain a steady and dependable partner.

    “For us, this is a moment to once again prove the resilience of our economic system and reaffirm America’s leadership in the world,” Clinton said, stressing that U.S. leadership depended on its economic strength.

    “Global leadership is not a birthright for the United States or any nation. It must be constantly tended and earned anew.”

    U.S. President Barack Obama and his Republican rivals are in talks aimed at avoiding what has been dubbed a “fiscal cliff” at the year-end, which experts say could push the U.S. economy back into recession.

    If Congress cannot agree to less extreme steps, from January 2, about $600 billion worth of tax increases and spending reductions, including $109 billion in cuts to domestic and defense programs, will begin to kick in.

    Both sides are eager to reassure the public that Washington will not see a repeat of the white-knuckle budget standoff that spooked consumers and investors last year, and Republican and Democratic congressional leaders emerged from a meeting with Obama on Friday pledging to find common ground to avert the fiscal cliff.

    “HISTORY BEING WRITTEN”

    Clinton said responding to threats would remain central to U.S. foreign policy, but could not be Washington’s only foreign policy.

    Maintaining U.S. strength would require following through on a policy of intensified engagement with the Asia-Pacific region and elevating the role of economics in foreign relations.

    Clinton said the visit of Obama to Asia from Sunday – within days of his November 6 reelection – showed the importance of the region in U.S. eyes. Obama will visit Thailand, Cambodia to attend an East Asian summit, and Myanmar.

    “Why is the American president spending all this time in Asia so soon after winning reelection?” Clinton asked. “Because so much of the history of the 21st century is being written here.”

    Clinton said the United States was making progress in talks with countries on both sides of the Pacific towards finalizing a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade pact, which would lower barriers and raise regulatory standards in a region accounting for 40 percent of world trade.

    “We will continue to work with Japan and we are offering to assist with capacity building so that every country in ASEAN can eventually join,” she said, referring to the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

    Clinton said the United States would welcome the interest of any country willing to meet the standards of the TPP – including China, where some view the pact with suspicion and as a U.S. attempt to contain China’s rapid growth, something U.S. officials deny.

    In Beijing, an official said China had not been asked to join.

    “We have looked at and continue to look at the contents of the TPP,” Liang Wentao, deputy head of the Commerce Ministry’s Asia Department, told reporters.

    “We think there are many advanced elements to it we should study. As to whether we should join, we have not been invited.”

    The United States, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei agreed this year to let Mexico and Canada into negotiations on the TPP, which could reach a conclusion next year. Japan’s prime minister said this month he wants to enshrine backing for the pact in his party’s election platform.

    Clinton said that with the U.S. government working to bring down trade barriers and create a level playing field for U.S. firms, it was also up to them to raise their game abroad.

    “Too many are sitting on the sidelines,” she said. “I hear it over and over when I travel: ‘Where are the American businesses?’ At a time when America’s domestic growth depends more than ever on our ability to compete internationally, this has to change.”

    =========

    All this is underscored by her statement in Singapore, ahead of an Asia-Pacific summit in Cambodia and reported in ‘The Times of India’: “We are shaping our foreign policy to account for both the economics of power and the power of economics.”

    After a decade attending to “a war in Iraq that is now over and a war in Afghanistan that is winding down,” Clinton said the “first and most fundamental task is to update our foreign policy and its priorities for a changing world”.

    In the meantime, so many of us are still clinging to the superpower myth that we don’t appreciate Hillary’s skills or analyses any more. For Hillary, our power has never been measured by the number of nuclear warheads nor even the boots on the ground, but by our economic supremacy, and that supremacy is now in question. This was not so when she took office, but has become so for reasons beyond her control.

  137. wbboei November 16th, 2012 at 10:21 am
    “… the premature announcement of support for Hillary in 2016… is an attempt by Buffet and his fellow billionaires to suborn perjury”
    =====

    Most of the questions you list to be asked by the Committee cannot be answered by Hillary. Things of interest that might be damaging to Hillary are:

    (1) Who gave the order to remove the SST security force from the Benghazi mission a month before that attack? Did you object?

    (2) Thus, Did you feel that this consulate was under-protected given the CIA and Libyan intelligence that Al Qaeda was roaming the streets? Did you try to do anything about it?

    (3) On 9/11/12, were you called in to monitor the Benghazi attack as it proceeded?

    (4) Thus, When did you become aware of it? Did you ask for help from Defense/President?

    (5) Why did you claim, 2 days after the attack when the Libyans themselves had already said it was a terrorist attack, that it was due to a stupid video?

    It is her answer to questions 4 and 5 that will expose her to perjury if she doesn’t condemn Obama or Panetta. But her answers may depend on question 3, and 4, i.e. if she had no real-time evidence of a coordinated attack, then she could be “forgiven” for buying Obama’s argument that it was that stupid video.

    By the time Rice was called in to give that video argument, though, it is obvious that Hillary no longer bought it.

  138. I’m glad West is not throwing in the towel…

    On the bottom part of Foxy’s link above:

    But West’s campaign vowed the fight wasn’t over yet. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported:

    “They did this recount because they weren’t confident in the outcome,” said West campaign manager Tim Edson. “Now, because they missed the deadline, we’re not going to know whether they were right in their concern or not.”

    Edson said the incumbent’s campaign was looking at what could be done to possibly extend the deadline and suggested the fight was not yet over. “We’ll continue with all legal options that are available,” he said.

  139. pm317 November 16th, 2012 at 6:53 am

    “I listened to Ron Paul on C-Span radio… he didn’t say much negative stuff on Obama. I wonder if his supporters drained votes away from Romney.”
    =====

    There was speculation about a Ron Paul ticket in 2012 and where his votes would come from. It was concluded that his candidacy would draw off much more support from Obama than from Romney.

    If this was true, it would explain why he “didn’t say much negative stuff on Obama” but also that “his supporters drained votes away from Romney”, as you say, but not much. Just enough. If Paul had run, Romney would have won, according to this speculation.

    Personally, I do not take Paul as an Obama stooge or apologist. As you noted, he has been in the business of laid-back foreign policy for a long time. It is realistic. The “superpower” myth was based on our idea of ourselves fending against the Soviet Union in the Cold War, and that was based solely on our nuclear capability (in which the Soviet Union was actually the leader, with more warheads and also more boots on the ground).

    Already, this superpower myth was belied by Vietnam. I remember, at that time, there was much wonderment at home about why the US couldn’t beat a “fourth-rate military power” like North Vietnam combined with the Viet Cong. We thought we were the greatest, and wee Ho Chi Minh proved otherwise.

    The US foreign policy apparatus, including the military, took the lesson to heart and didn’t engage in foreign wars again (with the exception of the coalition against Saddam in the Gulf war) until 30 years later when Bush revived the superpower myth and led us into two long, sticky wars in the Middle East.

    In the meantime, the Soviets saw themselves as the greatest superpower and got bogged down into a long, humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, reminiscent of the American debacle in Vietnam, which was one of the reasons the Soviet Union fell to pieces. So Bush’s war in Afghanistan was just an over-confident American attempt to do better than the Soviets, after the Soviets were gone. We thought we were still a superpower, and the only one on earth.

    In the midst of all this, we have had reasonable voices like those of Ron Paul, who were saying that we should take stock of what we have and make do with that. In essence, that is also Obama’s policy. Thus Paul does not have that much to say against Obama and, if he had run in 2012, he would have taken more voters away from Obama than from Romney.

  140. jeswezey

    I would like to know what the emails or correspondence is that worried Bill enough to call in his lawyers for Hillary.

    Could those emails show a conflict in what Hillary tried to do to help in Benghazi and what was denied by Obama’s command?

    Remember when Hillary said she would take blame for any wrong doing by the State Dept. in preventing or during the attack…

    Then Barry went on tv and when a reporter mentioned that Hillary said the ‘Buck stopped with her’, he got pretty aggressive and said that SHE worked for HIM. He wanted it to be clear she is only there to follow his orders.

    Also, when the budget cuts to the State Dept were being discussed awhile ago, Hillary went before congress and begged that the cuts would greatly weaken the State Departments defense abroad.

    These are the only things we actually know of right now, that I can think of to judge Hillary on, and the bottom line is, Obama and ??? are calling the shots while the cabinet is leaving the sinking ship.

  141. gonzotx
    November 19th, 2012 at 5:54 am
    foxyladi14
    November 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) split with his Senate allies John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday, telling “Fox News Sunday” that he doesn’t think a special committee is needed to investigate the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    (translation)
    Lieberman: “Let’s move along folks, nothing to look at here…”

    Ahem, except may four dead bodies, and a massive cover up.

  142. Shadowfax:

    “Remember when Hillary said she would take blame for any wrong doing by the State Dept. in preventing or during the attack…”

    Well, more precisely, she didn’t talk about wrongdoing and blame, just that she took responsibility for what happened to State staff.

    “Then Barry went on tv and when a reporter mentioned that Hillary said the ‘Buck stopped with her’, he got pretty aggressive and said that SHE worked for HIM. He wanted it to be clear she is only there to follow his orders.”

    I saw only a short few words of that, where he said the responsibility lay with himself. I didn’t know that he got aggressive about it. That would indeed be mysterious to me.

    “Hillary went before congress and begged that the cuts would greatly weaken the State Departments defense abroad.”

    Yes, that’s a very good line of defense for her because the budget limitations imposed by Congress didn’t make things any easier. On the other hands, congressional Republicans were quick to point out that, within a limited budget that applies to everyone, decisions have to be made. In other words, they are implying that less could be spent on security in low-risk areas like Europe and more on higher-risk outposts like Benghazi. That throws the responsibility back in Hillary’s hands.

    However, State threw everything it had into the fray at Benghazi. It was not enough, and the consulate could only be saved by bringing in outside support, i.e. from Defense. Those supports were available in Sicily and could have been on site within 20 minutes. Let’s say one hour. But there was nothing even after 7 hours. The explanation for that can come only from Obama and/or Panetta.

  143. the fraud continues.

    In St. Lucie County, florida, the election board failed to meet a Sunday noon deadline for the recvount and so theoriginal results stand and West loses.

    Geraghty has the hard numbers of voter totals in 2012. With the huge dim voter decrease you tell me how it makes sense the Mitt lost. There was a repub drop too but it’s far less than the dim.

    This election was stolen..

    I want to know why Mitt walked away. I also want to know why he did not pushback on Libya. It’s like the fix was in.

    ********************************************
    From 2008 to 2012, those voting for the Democrat ticket dropped from 69.49 million to 63.16 million, a drop of 6.3 million.

    From 2008 to 2012, those voting for the Republican ticket dropped from 59.95 million to 59.47 million, a drop of just over 479,000.

    From 2008 to 2012, those voting for the Libertarian ticket increased from 523,433 to 1.22 million, a jump of just over 700,000.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/333646/did-some-470000-mccain-voters-go-libertarian-2012

  144. Looks to me like the push is on for HRC in 2016. Stories and pix galore of her in Burma with the pos, in meetings with Valjar and the pos, signing on to open up the Gaza Strip for US visitation. Last week Buffet basically endorsed her.

    There was a time I would have welcomed this trend. No more. It seems BC stomped for the pos in exchange for 2016. I have no respect for anyone who stood silently by and allowed Benghazzi and the financial destruction of this country to occur.

    Zero.

    I know mine is not a popular POV. It is what it is.

  145. “Now, on other hand, as President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could.”

    Guess who said that, where and when?

    If you guessed the pos, today, in Burma you would be right.

  146. Just curious for all those that no longer support Hillary and wouldn’t vote for her in 2016 if she ran.

    Who do you trust and want to run in 2016?

  147. Shadowfax
    November 19th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    I have not gotten that far. As of this second I can’t name one person I would enthusiastically support. Sad, isn’t it?

  148. It may be time to take the tax hit and withdraw funds from private retirement accounts before they are forced into long term T-bonds.

    The Obama administration is reportedly quickly moving on plans to nationalize private 401k and IRA retirement accounts, and replace them with government sponsored annuities(aka Treasury bonds that the Treasury currently can’t sell to anyone but the Fed).

    http://www.silverdoctors.com/obama-begins-push-to-confiscate-iras-401ks/

  149. Mass Dem Gov. Deval Patrick Grants Illegal Aliens In-State Tuition Rates At All Public Colleges, Universities…

    More of our money siphoned into the pockets of those who have not contributed to their support (or, in this case, their parents).

    Add this move to the 2 million now eligible for amnesty, the millions who will flood the health care market and the dwindling number of those who who pay into the system and the prospect of a financial disaster is an understatement.

  150. Basil

    As of this second I can’t name one person I would enthusiastically support. Sad, isn’t it?

    —–
    Yes, the last 5 years have been painful to go though and now we have another 4 years to hope he will be impeached.

  151. S,

    I do not love him or her anymore. I guess I should stop posting here. Honestly I couldn’t support either one of them for dogcatcher at this point.

    I am completely demoralized and disillusioned. It would be hypocritical for me to support those who are supporting the people and policies I despise. I just can’t/won’t do it.

    There is no one in either party I respect in the slightest except for Guiliani and it’s doubtful he will run.

    It is so depressing. I fear the country will have a pos in the WH for a long time.

  152. ‘The Obama administration is reportedly quickly moving on plans to nationalize private 401k and IRA retirement accounts,’

    Yes, I read about that Leonora. I don’t have much but what I have on hand I’m thinking about buying gold or silver with. Unfortunately I don’t know anyone in that field and I’m afraid of being ripped off without proper professional advice.

  153. Anyone else notice the Benghazzi story has dropped off the face of the earth?

    Fothermucker is going to get away with yet another crime. The repubs are rushing to kiss his butt just like Christie, Jindal, even Rubio. Graham and McCain are trashing Mitt. It’s absolutely horrendous.

    Holder to stay on at least another year to bury he proof of the pos’s crimes.

    We have no recourse. NONE. I’m ready for self-imposed exile. Honestly, my life will be little changed no matter who is in office. Now that it seems clear there is no greater good anyone will actually fight for what the heck is the use?

    Sorry to be so glum.

  154. Basil, I’m in complete agreement with you. I wish I could move out of this country. I hate it here now. I would have to really have a come to Jesus moment before I could support Hillary, she’d have to really prove to me all over again that she has not REALLY changed, but I don’t really know if she changed or if I just had rose colored glasses on because I loved the BC years. BC is changed to me now as well. I’m bummed about tons of stuff now. Hate that Thanksgiving is this week, Xmas coming up, I wish they’d just deep six both holidays because I have nothing to be cheerful about.

  155. And he lectured some head of state on democracy! LOL, may be he told him how to steal elections and make whores of the media.

  156. pm317,

    Yeah, he’s despicable but she’s gazing at him like a lovesick teen.

    Dot,

    I am going to have to ween myself off of most blogs. It just feels like hunker down and survive time. I continue to feel like whites should stand up to the so-called minorities. Since we’ve been accused of the crime (over and over again) of racism what’s the difference if we actually begin to punch back.

    It’s all devolved to race and gender. I do not recognize the country.

  157. I saw this comment on Althouse, just as I was thinking about it having written my previous comment here:

    “I pledge that this will be my last comment, here and elsewhere on the web, and in my life in general, on the life and times of President Obama. From this point forth, I will do everything in my power to ignore him.”

    I think I am done.

  158. pm317,

    He actually had the unmitigated gall to say this.

    “As President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could.”

  159. Nice article pm317 but honestly I will not support her should she run again. I know it’s sacrilegious on this blog to make that comment but I realized only over the past few days the extent to which her actions and those of her husband have alienated me.

    It’s a painful realization but I am not going to lie about it.

  160. “It is only two weeks since his re-election, and his second term remains two months away, but Barack Obama is already blundering again on the world stage, with the kind of gaffes that would have been plastered on the front page of The New York Times if they had been committed by George W. Bush when he was in the White House. Obama’s first term was littered with foreign policy gaffes, and there is every chance the second term will be more of the same.

    On his trip to Asia this week, President Obama struggled to pronounce the name of Aung San Suu Kyi, the most prominent human rights activist in the world.”

    We will have to go to the UK papers for the next four years to get anything which resembles the truth.

    What a disgrace the US presstitutes are.

  161. Well. I;m off for the night to watch The Voice, That show has more relevenvy, authenticity and meaning than anything having to do with the pos.

    I need a break.

    See ya later.

  162. Watch crossfire hurricane on HBO. It will cheer you up if you like the Stones. I am
    off to three(3) shows next month .

  163. Basil99 and pm317,
    I am also depressed over the whole mess, but I am trying to take the long view of eternal vigilance being the price of liberty, in which case we are bound to lose a few battles, but we can never surrender the war. I am trying to take consolation from the fact that history will remember O as a zero.

    And Debbie Harry says Keep on Going, so we must. 🙂
    http://youtu.be/cjQPyTBprks

  164. I admit that I’m a supporter of Israel. I believe they have every right to fight back and defend their freedom after months and months of attacks by hamas. It’s no surprise to me that obama is siding with the muslims in this, but now he has Hillary doing his dirty work too.

    Clinton on her way to pressure Netanyahu on ground op
    http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/11/it-continues-clinton-on-her-way-to.html

    I wish she wasn’t doing this. That said, I hope Netanyahu pays her no attention. It’s not her country that being attacked. It is his!

  165. Shadowfax November 19th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    “Just curious for all those that no longer support Hillary and wouldn’t vote for her in 2016 if she ran.
    Who do you trust and want to run in 2016?”
    =======

    That’s a very good question to post here at H44, and very well put.

    There are a lot of people badmouthing Hillary here, because her husband seems to have been fighting for Hillary 2016 all along, selling his soul for it. There are many people here who hold that against him and, by extension, against Hillary. This is illogical and ill-founded.

    WJC is a loose cannon because he has every right to be so. He is not our political plaything or anybody else’s. He is a past president with a record to stand on and is respected across the political spectrum.

    By contrast, you may notice that George W Bush was not called upon to help Romney, no endorsement was even asked of him, and no reference was even made to him, except to say that Obama can’t blame everything on Bush any more. The Republicans thus have some skeletons they would rather ignore.

    Not so with the Democrats, and the reason for that is WJC. WJC has well-deserved clout on the national scene, and he thus has a right to his own opinion which, I might add, is always well-informed. He stated those opinions loud and clear at the DNC, and showed himself to be once again the leader of the Democratic Party.

    I listened to that whole speech and, with all the negative opinions I have of Obama, I couldn’t gainsay a word of what WJC said that night. In fact, I am so accustomed to the negativity here at H44 that I was nothing short of amazed at how anyone could find anything positive at all to say about Obama.

    So, while nothing in the world would make me vote for Obama, I came away from WJC’s speech thinking that Obama might indeed have some good points hidden away somewhere; maybe he had done a few good things in his first term; maybe his attitude wasn’t so bad; maybe Hillary’s association with him had been beneficial; and maybe a second term wouldn’t be so awful as we all imagine.

    I don’t blame WJC for taking the edge off my dislike for Obama. He didn’t change my vote, but he did put a few marbles in my head.

    In any event, I can’t fathom why anyone would announce total lack of respect for WJC, as BASIL99 does, just because he allegedly campaigned on false premises for Obama while laying the groundwork for Hillary 2016. That is putting both WJC and HRC on trial for their intentions alone, and just because, as public figures, they do not have the same options as we private citizens do. They have responsibility for their words and actions, and we don’t.

  166. BASIL99: “There is no one in either party I respect in the slightest except for Guiliani and it’s doubtful he will run.”

    Again our paths diverge… Giuliani is the last person on earth I would vote for. He has no respect for himself, no less his constituents, and I have no respect for him. Just returning the favor…

  167. jeswezey
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:27 am
    “By contrast, you may notice that George W Bush was not called upon to help Romney, no endorsement was even asked of him,…”

    That group wanted any republican candidate to loose so that we can cram Jeb Bush down our throats next time. So what difference is there between them and WJC?

    Maybe they now have a deal: we get to have a president for 8 years then it is your turn. I notice also that there are a lot of public figures out there trashing Romney (someone who I came to admire). Let us be clear, all they are trying to do is legitimize the corrupt election result, Rubio included.

  168. “Again our paths diverge… Giuliani is the last person on earth I would vote for”

    I have no problem with your assessment. I have a very high opinion of Rudy having lived in NYC in the 1990’s, seeing the way he turned the city around then and watching how bravely he dealt with the WTC disaster.

    He was actually the only name that pooped into my head. while I do admire and respect him enormously I certainly wouldn’t jump through hoops for him.

    I just can’t think of one other person just now.

  169. I agree, Betty.

    “Let us be clear, all they are trying to do is legitimize the corrupt election result, Rubio included.”

  170. BASIL99 November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    “As President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could.”

    ====

    Yes, it is galling. But Dubya said that even more succinctly and directly, iirc, “It would be nice to have a dictatorship, as long as I’m the dictator!”

  171. Betty November 20th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    “Maybe they now have a deal: we get to have a president for 8 years then it is your turn.”

    ====

    In that were the case, you couldn’t blame WJC for maneuvering to get Hillary nominated in 2016, if he made a deal that the Republicans would win. Can’t have it both ways… you would have to believe that he’s maneuvering to get Hillary defeated in 2016?

  172. Bush was, at least, joking.

    Don’t get me wrong. I couldn’t stand him while he was in office. It’s only after the disaster of the pos that I now regard GWB far more favorably. I didn’t think anyone could be worse at presidenting than him. Boy was I wrong. I now despise the pos 1000 more than I did Bush.

  173. BASIL99 November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    “I do not love him or her anymore. I guess I should stop posting here….”

    =====

    I beg you to reconsider both these sentences, perhaps in reverse order: First, please don’t stop posting, you are far too valuable. And secondly, try to understand WJC and HRC if not love them. Read my posts on their behalf and riposte if you will, but please reconsider…

  174. BASIL99
    November 19th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    “Now, on other hand, as President, I cannot just impose my will on Congress — the Congress of the United States — even though sometimes I wish I could.”

    Guess who said that, where and when?

    If you guessed the pos, today, in Burma you would be right.
    &&&&&&&&&

    RGB Times got the remainder of the quote:

    Obama: “But I steal an election. I did it twice.”

  175. jeswezey
    November 20th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    In that were the case, you couldn’t blame WJC for maneuvering to get Hillary nominated in 2016, if he made a deal that the Republicans would win. Can’t have it both ways… you would have to believe that he’s maneuvering to get Hillary defeated in 2016?

    Ok. Sorry,I just get so pissed sometimes. But I still say all the Romney hate is being applied to legitimize Obama’s questionable win by getting us to blame Romney for losing.

  176. BASIL99
    November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Basi: I agree with you except for one thing….Guiliani is no good…..another controlling narcissist. His behavior towards his first wife was appalling.

  177. Basi: I agree with you except for one thing….Guiliani is no good…..another controlling narcissist. His behavior towards his first wife was appalling.
    ~~~~~

    If you mean Donna Hanover – she was his second wife. 🙂

  178. jeswezey

    I agree with most of what you said about Bill and Hillary and am glad to hear something nice about them for a change.

    I didn’t listen to Bill’s speech, so I don’t know if Barry has done ‘some’ good things in his first term because I am so appalled by all the crappy, half a$$ed stuff he has done, like F&F, sloppy and expensive obamaCare, bailouts for the green companies that went bankrupt and all the corruption in the two elections…just to name a few.

    If Hillary doesn’t run in 2016, and I am more doubtful than ever before at this point, who else would I possibly like to run? Who else do I at least respect?

    The only two I can think of to answer my own question is: Diane Feinstein or Trey Gowdy.
    Now that’s a pair 😉

  179. My absolute favorite choices to run as a team in 2016 are:

    1. Hillary and VP Feinstein

    2. Hillary and VP Trey Gowdy

    I can still dream.

  180. CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. ……….Leahy’s rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies — including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission — to access Americans’ e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title

  181. BREAKING: Gaza truce will be declared at 2 p.m. EST and go into effect at 5 p.m. EST: Hamas official… developing…

    Drudge

    I hope this is true and if Hillary goes there, she will be kept safe.

  182. A sweet article from the UK about Hillary. Nice photos of her too.

    —-

    Going out in style: How relaxed Hillary is upstaging Obama on last ever presidential tour – or is she gearing up for 2016?

    Hillary Clinton has said that she will make sleep, exercise and relaxing her priorities over the coming year. But the promise of some down-time seems to have already had a positive effect as she bids farewell to her four-year term as Secretary of State.

    Mrs Clinton, 65, looked on fine form in Myanmar today as she joined President Obama in a historic meeting with the country’s opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

    Though she looked elegant and polished in a crisp white blazer, navy pants and a statement silver beaded neckpiece, it was the broad smile she wore that really made the difference.

    Looking to the future: The promise of some down-time seems to have already had a positive effect as Mrs Clinton bids farewell to her four-year term as Secretary of State

    Mrs Clinton, who greeted the iconic pro-democracy leader with a warm hug, seemed happier and healthier than she has in some time.

    It made for a stark contrast with some previous public appearances, in which the demands of the role appear to have taken a more visible toll.

    Indeed, who could blame her. In four years, she logged more than 918,000 miles, traveling to 112 countries – overseas for nearly a quarter of her time in office.

    In an interview with The New York Times last week, she refused to be drawn on rumors that she is planning to run for President in 2016.

    She admitted: ‘I just want to sleep and exercise and travel for fun. And relax. It sounds so ordinary, but I haven’t done it for 20 years. I would like to see whether I can get untired.

    [snip]

    I work out and stuff, but I don’t do it enough and I don’t do it hard enough because I can’t expend that much energy on it.’
    Toll: Mrs Clinton, pictured in November 2008, looked fresher-faced before she took on the demanding role of Secretary of State

    Toll: Mrs Clinton, seen in Nov 2008, was fresher- faced before she became Secretary of State

    She added that she had not yet decided what will follow the year-long hiatus from public life, joking, ‘maybe I’ll get a decorating show.’ (Like Martha Stewart? 😉

    Mrs Clinton’s visit to Myanmar with President Obama marked the first American presidential visit the controversial country.

    Aung San Suu Kyi, who endured two decades under house arrest in her struggle for a free and democratic Burma, greeted the pair warmly outside her home.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2235282/How-relaxed-Hillary-Clinton-upstaging-Obama-presidential-tour–gearing-2016.html

  183. Basil and Dot48…

    I understand your disappointment…and depression…it is going to be difficult ahead…

    …the only thing I can say…is be happy you are alive…and have days ahead…

    when I think of all the loved ones many of us have lost who would be so happy to just be here again……or how happy many of us would be to have them back here with us again …especially with the holidays coming…be happy you are alive and do not let anyone take your time or happiness from you…O is not worth

  184. S

    Good words to remember for my life right now too. Thanks.

    “Be happy you are alive and do not let anyone take your time or happiness from you…”

  185. Shadowfax November 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    1. Hillary and VP Feinstein

    2. Hillary and VP Trey Gowdy

    I don’t know much about Gowdy except he’s a Republican and our 2-party system being what it is… well yes, that’s a dream, unless you think maybe Hillary would turn Republican? I mean, she was a Goldwater girl and supported Nelson Rockefeller too….

    I like the two-woman ticket with Feinstein. Two old women, though. Maybe Elizabeth Warren? There’s Rendell and Nutter from Pennsylvania, too. Both respectable Hillary supporters. There’s Meek from Florida.

    There are a lot of 2008 Hillary supporters that WJC has paid back and kept in congress. California’s governor Brown owes WJC big time. The FDR/HRC party can still be resurrected in time for 2016, or am I dreaming too?

  186. I understand the folks here who are angry about Bill supporting Oturd. I think we all knew he was working to keep Dems together, and if that also support Hillary in 2016, that’s another reason.

    There is far too much behind the scenes black hole activity that we’re not privvy to, and therefore Bill or Hill’s actions may not seem to make sense to us.

    If you don’t like the Clintons any longer, but have something of value, feel free to keep posting here. I think we value the diversity of opinions.

    I am inclined to hope for Hillary as a candidate in 2016, and if she does opt for that, I’m sure she’ll have had to explain her role in the Benghazi deaths, and defend her record as SoS. I’ll be listening.

    As for Romney, much of the carping coming from Repubs kinda ticks me off. Yeah, he could have done better, but Obummer used the full force of government (FBI/CIA to stuxnet Romney’s operations, the MSM to lie and fawn over Obummer, and Unions and strong arming ACORN like groups who are now demanding their pay back).

    As for Obama….ugh. I can’t even complete that sentence.

  187. UM blows a fuse at the new Repub Insider, I didn’t read this until today because the title was too depressing:

    REPUBLICAN INSIDER: “America…Going-Going…GONE.” PART TWO

    by Ulsterman

    The second half of our most recent sit down interview with Republican Insider…

    _____________________________

    …RI: Ok-ok…right…but the big problem there was a lot of voters didn’t see it that way. Do you understand? And that’s because the Romney campaign didn’t do a good enough job outlining what the choice really was. The Mainstream Media confused voters, helped suppress the vote…then you have the Obama campaign…it had hundreds maybe thousands of operatives slamming the alternative media with their version of things, getting Republicans…conservative voters to fight amongst themselves…it all worked in unison with them. The old media and the new media…they have it down to a science. Barack Obama might be a fool, he might be some created version of liberal perfection…but the people behind his campaign. They are good. Very good at what they do. And they are winning. Not just the election…they are winning the country. All of it. And you can’t tell me you don’t feel that. Right?

    UM: I do feel that, yeah. America is…it’s disappearing. I see it. Going-going…gone.

    RI: There you go…that’s what’s happening. And if we don’t learn quickly how to change it up…how to get a message out there…how to not demand perfection from a candidate…or to follow every ridiculous controversy or rumor or tin foil hat conspiracy that just divides us up even more…we will lose. Republicans will lose. Conservatism will lose. America will lose. America…America will…it will be just like you said…going-going…GONE.
    Read more in News
    « The Man Who Calls Himself Obama IV – NOW AVAILABLE.
    Apologies… »

    UM: But if we can’t believe…believe the integrity of the vote… If people don’t feel like their vote counts – why should they even bother?

    RI: Ahhhhhhhhhh…don’t even go there! C’mon! Really? That’s the election loss talking. You know, after every election there’s people on the losing side who talk just like that. Just like it. Poor me. Why should we even bother…it was stolen…boo-hoo-hoo. I thought you were a lot tougher than that. Your insider said you were. But…well…if you really mean that…the whole why bother stuff…(shrugs)…why bother!

    Go back to 2004 – Bush vs ummm…Bush vs John Kerry. Now the polls…polls showing Kerry in the lead, or right there. Then the exit polling showing he was going to win it…then he didn’t. Ohio was so close. And who was saying that the Bush team stole it? Democrats. They were so upset. All kinds of conspiracies about voting machines, and how wrong the exit polls were…basically the same thing we….same thing we are hearing now from some of the Republicans. You know, for as much as they say they dislike liberals, we really do have a whole lot of so-called conservatives who only seem to do what they do best and that is to cry and moan about how things should be. I’m not saying all conservatives, not even close to half, but enough of them and they like to make a lot of noise and throw their tantrums…and in the end…in the end…they don’t do much if anything to actually help out. Just the opposite, all of their cursing and negativity just turns the majority off.

    (PAUSE)…And I’m not saying that is what you’re doing. Not at all. You’re asking questions that I have no problem with hearing and answering.

    Look…really…I’ve gone over the numbers. Yes, there were some abnormalities but you know what? You get that in every big election. Every time. It’s happened for Republicans, against Republicans, and everything in between. The fact is, on Election Day…we have a ton of eyewitness accounts saying so…there was quite a big turnout for Barack Obama. Now how they pulled that off…normally Democrats don’t do that…not that much on Election Day. But this time…they had huge Election Day turnout for them. Did they bus them in? Sure. That’s perfectly legit. Republicans do that too – we just don’t do it as well. The phone banks. The emails…the whole program was superior to what the Romney campaign was doing. The RNC…it had plenty of cash. It didn’t use it nearly as effectively as it could have. Or should have. And Mitt Romney…he kind of became deflated toward those last days didn’t he? Wasn’t fighting as hard. I don’t know why that was…but you can’t deny that is what it appeared to be. That last debate…Benghazi was…was it even mentioned by him? Why didn’t he push that issue? Why did he allow Obama to push it back to after the election?

    UM: Now you stop right there. Right there. You know damn well there was supposed to be a press conference. I have to imagine Romney was in the loop on that, yeah? And so he’s waiting for it. He’s waiting for something that never came. Something he was promised…never happened. Bloody hurricane they said. No time to get that political. I say bullsh*t on that. Bullsh*t. We have an election with this socialist-communist…whatever the hell he is…and we got people…HE STUCK HIS NECK OUT FOR ALL OF US. You KNOW that. Maybe you told him…maybe you promised to put that together. That press conference, yeah? Something went horribly wrong in those last days. Why does McCain come out AFTER the election to hold that press conference? What good does that do NOW? You want to talk about…you said that this Benghazi thing…or Petraeus…you said Republican leadership was helping to keep it under wraps. Right?

    RI: Absolutely.

    UM: So why the bloody hell…why should we trust any damn one of you? You tell me that. WHY? Why…why when I see somebody put so much at risk…risk exposure…risk…he’s still in the White House. Obama is still there now. You know what that means for him. For Insider? You know…they won’t respond, so I’m…I’m assuming they are…have to be worried. And maybe YOU did that. And these republicans. So yeah – why bother? What good does it really do? When somebody is willing to risk a career, family, their life…and they get sh*t on by someone. Somebody made that decision to leave them hanging like that. To leave Mitt Romney waiting for something that never came – not before the election anyways.

    RI: I won’t speak for them. And I’m sure that sooner and not later they will be ready to speak for themselves. I already said I would take a while to heal from something like that myself. And…I still say the Romney team made their own decision on that…to not…ummm…not pursue the Benghazi story. They should have. Hurricane be damned…they should have.

    As for Republicans who are…who aren’t doing their job. Or are playing way too much politics with issues like Benghazi…the politics of covering their self…I am in 100% agreement with you. Look, don’t for one second question my desire to see this party rebuild itself into a proper representiation of conservative values. It’s my life’s work now. So with all due respect – you have no idea what the work involves. You don’t. I do.

    UM: (PAUSE) With all DUE respect…you have no idea what the last two plus years have been like working day in and day out to defeat Barack Obama. To see one partner in this battle waste away to nearly nothing…to see another one…well…to come up short and now live in such fear they won’t even return my messages? Who are you to say I don’t have any idea?

    RI: I’m the one who your insider told to join up with this thing. I’m the one who might be the only one left who can…I might be the only one left standing between you and THEM. They’ll come after me before they come after you. That’s why there has always been another. Insider knew that. Both of them did.

    UM: I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean.

    RI: Sure you do. You’re just upset right now. So am I. This was a tough loss. For all of us.

    UM: Then why don’t you show it? You talk like…like it’s just another election…and we have another one just around the corner so upward and onward and all that crap…I’m a positive person. I am…but…this has been tough. So damn tough to take…

    RI: I know…but pissing and moaning about it won’t change the election. It won’t. And there IS another election around the corner. And there are some republicans trying to make this president accountable for what he’s done. But that stuff…in due time. Things have to…positioning and patience. That’s how you win the marathon. This isn’t a sprint.

    UM: Ah jehhsus….(SIGHS)…enough with the…I can’t take the flowery language. The pep talk…don’t want it. Don’t want to hear it.

    RI: What do you want then?

    UM: …I want to smack you right f-ck in your face. Right up in it. And if not you…someone else. Someone with an Obama 2012 sticker on their little sh-t Prius. I’m so mad…I’m just bottling it up and it’s driving me mad. I still can’t believe he won. How? Insider said the only way Obama wins is to steal it. Well guess what then? That’s what happened, yeah. Those bastards stole this thing from us. All of us. Every Republican vote…they stole it from us. And they know it. Look at them. I can see it. It’s on their faces. The smirks. Makes me sick. Every last one of them. The whole lot of them.

    RI: You’re upset – but you know that violence…it won’t change the election either. You’re not some dumb hick…you’re better than that.

    UM: Am I? Really? And what do you know of that, eh? You think I’m beyond planting you on your ass because of some well earned civility? Is that it? You sure you want to be so confident in that? I’ll tell you something…the others…I respect them. They earned it with me. All in. They are gentlemen and warriors. Trust them…trusted them with everything in this. You? You haven’t earned it yet, yeah? You’re here because you were vouched for personally by one of those gentlemen. But as of yet…you ain’t fit to say their names. And you ain’t fit to place judgement on what I am or what I’m not. You’re in more dangerous waters than you seem to realize here mate – so start thinking a bit more about what you want to say and how you want to say it, because…well…right now I ain’t feeling so civilized…and just a push more and you’re going to be brickin’ it.

    RI: Bricking it?

    UM: Look it up. For future reference. And your own personal well being.

    RI: What?

    UM: Look it up.

    (LONG PAUSE)

    …RI How about…how about you tell me what you want out of this? The…this arrangement?

    UM: Truth.

    RI: Truth?

    UM: Yeah…that would be a nice start.

    RI: I haven’t lied to you.

    UM: That might be right…but you haven’t told the truth either. Not all of it anyways. There’s a difference between “not lying” and actually telling truth…politicians know all about that now don’t they?

    RI: I suppose they do. And…I can promise you that when it’s available to share…you’ll get the truth from me. As best as I know it at that time.

    UM: Uh-huh.

    RI: If this is going to work…we need to respect one another here. I can’t be them…I’m my own person. I do what I do. I know what I know. I think this can work…I think I have something of value…but…ummm…I’m not THEM. I won’t even try to pretend I could be.

    UM: No…you aren’t. And no…you won’t ever be. How about you just tell me something about what these Republicans are going to…to do anything about anything. Benghazi? Fast and Furious? Eric Holder? Solyndra? None of it…it just gets brushed away. Gone…Obama never seems to have to…no rules seem to apply to him and so many Republicans…they are too afraid to do anything about it.

    RI: That’s not entirely true. There were hearings. Eric Holder was found in contempt. More hearings. Benghazi is not done…I told you that last week. Things just don’t move as quickly as any of us want. Insider said the same thing. Right?

    UM: Yeah…suppose they did. Yeah. Three years of work and waiting…and the bastard is re-elected.

    RI: Hey…after 2014…if we take back the Senate…things can happen. Reid is shutting everything down. Has been ever since Obama got in there. But without the Senate…the White House becomes a whole lot more vulnerable.

    UM: Obama was vulnerable…he wasn’t supposed to win in 2012. But he did.

    RI: You can’t lose faith.

    UM: Faith? God? Yeah…starting to wonder about that too. Why would God ever want Barack Obama to get away with these things? What plan is that supposed to be part of?

    RI: Now I really know you don’t mean that. (PAUSE) Tell you what…I completely understand your reservations to trust me right off the bat. At least not completely. But I give you my word, there are people working to undo some of the damage Barack Obama has done and would like to do…and those people are also determined to make him account for things like Benghazi. Give me a couple weeks – maybe three. You watch and wait…let me see what I can get done on my end.

    UM: (SHRUGS) Don’t really have a choice now do I?

    RI: We all have a choice…but I get what you mean. Couple weeks. See what happens over that time period.

    (PAUSE) Did you really want to hit me?

    UM: Yeah.

    Still do…

    END INTERVIEW

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/20/republican-insider-americagoing-goinggone-part-two/

  188. JESWEZEY

    Your contribution at 7:27 was a thoughtful one. Very useful in trying to assess all our pent up frustration after a corrupt election in which a lesser man defeated a better man.

    I particularly appreciated your prudent assessment about why the Clintons have done what they have done. Many of us are dismayed and disillusioned by feelings of betrayal but we have to realize that when you assert that Bill Clinton is “well informed” that term means a great deal. He certainly personifies a respected ex president with a commendable record during his terms and since. He knows that Barky can only inhabit the White House for four years whereas Mitt Romney might have occupied it for eight. Perhaps Clinton’s election dance was done as a kind of holding action. It was based on his conclusion that the benefits of another term for Obama outweighed the risks. Obviously Clinton knows a great deal more about all of this than any of us.

    It is foolish to have a blind faith in ANY politician but Bill and Hillary both have proven their bonafides
    over and over again. They probably deserve a little slack even though it is terribly hard for me to justify. If his calculation is predicated on running Hillary in 2016 then he surely did what had to be done despite some personal reservations which must have been colossal.

  189. I don’t know much about Gowdy except he’s a Republican and our 2-party system being what it is… well yes, that’s a dream, unless you think maybe Hillary would turn Republican? I mean, she was a Goldwater girl and supported Nelson Rockefeller too….

    Nah, Hillary is a loyal Dem…I just like Trey and trust him. 😉

  190. She finds him boring too
    Hillary falls asleep during Obama speech!!!!

    ———-

    It proves not only he is boring, but that he has run her ragged in the past 4 years and also, he is full of hot air that isn’t worth staying awake for.

    He never inspired her either.

  191. Leonora and Carol,

    I know many took exception with Guiliani’s philandering but I’m hands off with people’s marital indiscretions. In didn’t bother me with Bill and it sure didn’t bother me with Rudy.
    I saw first hand how he cleaned up Manhattan during his tenure, especial;;ly the Timed Square area and that impressed me.

    About his narcissim – let’s face it, all pols are like that, IMHO.

    Like I said, I wouldn’t jump through hoops for him but he was the only sane, competent credible candidate that popped into my head. No big deal. If you don’t like home that’s your perogative. He ran such a lousy campaign in 2008 I doubt he would take another shot in 2016. Like I said, his is the only name at the tip of my tongue. I still haven’t come up with another choice except for Perry and he ran such a weak primary he’s probably removed himself from future consideration.

    However, I can say it is highly unlikely I would support any dim at this point which is weird as I was so passionate about HRC 4 years ago.

    But times change, sh!t happens and blinders are removed. Really, I can’t see myself ever voting for her now.

  192. BASIL99
    November 20th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Shadowfax,

    I am not thrilled with RI.

    ——
    Me either…just a cheerleader for the future and no sense that anything serious can be done against BO for the next 4 years, IMO.

    What happened to Issa, what’s with F&F and what is going on with the Benghasi hearings??

    Seems like everyone but McCain and his little band are all off on Holiday or just put on a show for the election????

    I am livid.

  193. Were all the hearings just for show?

    Even seeing West thow in the towel is freakin’ depressing.

    There has to be something going on behind the scenes to make the Republican’s give up on everything.

    It seems like they just puff up for the tv time and go away until the next drama they can jump on board with.

  194. BASIL99
    November 20th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
    Leonora and Carol,
    I know many took exception with Guiliani’s philandering but I’m hands off with people’s marital indiscretions. In didn’t bother me with Bill and it sure didn’t bother me with Rudy.
    I saw first hand how he cleaned up Manhattan during his tenure, especial;;ly the Timed Square area and that impressed me.
    ~~~

    I was half kidding about his second wife. Actually, I lived through those years too and although his marital problems turned into a daily circus, I do believe he was the best mayor NYC ever had. At least in my lifetime. I worked in the city back then and as soon as Rudy came on the job I could see a difference. No more squee-gee men. Crime went down. Times Square went from porno films to Disney. He was terrific. His handling of 9/11 received praise from everyone – even his enemies.

    Bloomberg started out good, but became more and more obsessive as the years went on. Banning salt, soda, give me a break! That’s not what mayors are supposed to be doing. No wonder everyone calls him Nanny Bloonberg.

  195. WTF

    If you voted this election season, President Obama almost certainly has a file on you. His vast campaign database includes information on voters’ magazine subscriptions, car registrations, housing values and hunting licenses, along with scores estimating how likely they were to cast ballots for his reelection.

    And though the election is over, Obama’s database is just getting started.

    Democrats are now pressing to expand and redeploy the most sophisticated voter list in American political history, beginning with next year’s gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey and extending to campaigns for years to come. The prospect already has some Republicans worried.

    “It’s always hard to play catch-up,” said Peter Pasi, a Republican direct marketer who worked on Rick Santorum’s primary challenge to Romney. “It can be done by 2016. I’m much more doubtful it can happen by 2014.”

    The database consists of voting records and political donation histories bolstered by vast amounts of personal but publicly available consumer data, say campaign officials and others familiar with the operation, which was capable of recording hundreds of fields for each voter.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/democrats-push-to-redeploy-obamas-voter-database/2012/11/20/d14793a4-2e83-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_story.html

  196. • rgb44hrc
    November 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    I understand the folks here who are angry about Bill supporting Oturd. I think we all knew he was working to keep Dems together, and if that also support Hillary in 2016, that’s another reason.
    There is far too much behind the scenes black hole activity that we’re not privvy to, and therefore Bill or Hill’s actions may not seem to make sense to us.
    — I am inclined to hope for Hillary as a candidate in 2016, and if she does opt for that, I’m sure she’ll have had to explain her role in the Benghazi deaths, and defend her record as SoS. I’ll be listening.
    ==================================
    rgb44hrc … you’re right of course, and I would not only vote for Hillary again, I would take my almost eighty year old legs out on the street to carry a banner!
    She’s a diamond in the garbage dump, slightly tainted but easily brushed off and a great treasure! No wonder we get shit for leaders; we keep ripping up the good ones because they can’t perform miracles. I get mad at Bill but I know I’m too poorly informed as to what the hell games are going on and even if I did know, I’m not smart enough or arrogant enough to think I know what he ought to be doing and saying. So, yes, I get mad, but eventually I get a little better perspective, stick a pin in my arrogance. So, honestly, besides giving thanks for family and friends and hillaryis44.org, I’m once again grateful for both the Clintons.
    Wishing you all a lot to be thankful for!

  197. Shadowfax
    November 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I concur. It’s like there is nothing left. At least after the 2008 theft people were still roiled up and ready to take action. But this blatant stolen election has everyone stumbling about, disoriented, unsure of how to proceed.

    Look., we were robbed. Period. And no one wants to admit it. It’s like a rape victim
    told to shut up after the fact, it wasn’t so bad, things could be worse.

    It’s like the breath has been knocked out of the country.

    I just feel empty. I’m glad I have gotten involved with horse training and grooming. What a joy it is being around those powerful, gorgeous, sensitive and gentle creatures.

  198. OMG. They are brutal barbarians. These pix are front page of the NY News.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/hamas-kills-suspected-collaborators-israel-gaza-article-1.1205010

    Masked Hamas gunmen forced six people suspected of collaborating with Israel to lie face down on the street — and shot them dead, witnesses told The Associated Press.

    Then, while an angry mob stomped and spat on five of the bodies, the sixth was tied to the back of a motorcycle and and dragged through the streets.

    “Spy! Spy!” the people screamed as the corpse was hauled off.

    Witnesses told the AP that Hamas posted the names of the alleged informers on a utility pole.

    The Israelis rely on spies to pinpoint the location of the rocket launchers that Hamas has been using to bombard Israel.

    It was a stomach-churning reminder of what the Israeli forces massed on the Gaza border face if they launch a ground offensive into the densely packed Palestinian territory.

    The disgusting display came as Egypt’s Islamist government suddenly raised hopes that a truce was at hand — and President Obama dispatched Secretary of State Clinton to the Mideast.

  199. Graphic Graphic Graphic

    I left the code as is so it won’t show automatically

    Israel should bomb them into oblivion

  200. 😆 stolen from, CDH
    THE QUEEN’S RIDDLE

    barack obama met the Queen of England

    he asked her, ” your magesty how do you run such an efficient government? Are there any tips you could give me?

    “Well” said the Queen ” the most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people”

    obama frowned and then asked ” but how do I know the people around me are really intelligent?”

    The Queen took a sip of tea. ” Oh that’s easy; you just ask them to answer an intelligent riddle.”

    The Queen pushed a button on her intercom. “Please send Tony Blair in here, would you?”

    Tony Blair walked into the room and said ” yes your majesty?”

    The Queen smiled and said, ” Answer me this please , Tony.
    Your mother and father have a child, It is not your brother and it is not your sister.”

    Who is it?

    without pausing for a moment, Tony Blair answered ” that would be me”

    Yes, very good, said the Queen.

    obama went back home to ask Joe Biden the same question.
    Joe, answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. It is not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?

    I’m not sure said biden. Let me get back to you on that one. He went to his advisers and asked everyone, but none could give him an answer.

    Finally, biden ran into Sarah Palin out eating one night. Biden asked ” Sarah can you answer this for me? your mother and your father have a child and it’s not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?

    Sarah Palin answered right back ” Thats easy, its me.”

    biden smiled and said ” thanks” then he went back to speak with Obama. ” Say I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle. It’s Sarah Palin.

    Obama got up stomped over to biden and angrily yelled into his face

    NO ! you idiot! Its Tony Blair.

    thought it would make some smile

  201. BASIL99
    November 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    ‘please don’t stop posting,’

    Thanks, jes.
    —–

    I agree.

    Nothing worse than dealing with all this……alone.

  202. I just don’t have the stomach to watch the video or see those photos. I just don’t have it in me these days.

  203. I watched Anderson reporting on the Hamas atrocity.

    He looked like he was going to throw up.

    Maybe it’s starting to dawn on him that if those savages got their hands on him, a gay man, he’d face a similar fate after having his crown jewels detached.

  204. Benghazzigate fizzles out.

    “I’m telling you right now that any hope we had that this White House would pay in any way for a two week cover up is over.

    The media is not only sending a signal that they will not litigate the issue, they are also sending a signal that they will punish any Republican who does.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/20/Morning-Joe-Confirms-Obama-Will-Pay-No-Price-for-Libya-Cover-Up

    Unfortunately, I agree.

    Isn’t it shameful when we have presstitutes ready to lynch George Zimmerman for “allegedly” murdering an out-of-control thuggish black teen, who are ready to excuse any atrocity committed by Hamas as retaliation for Israeli oppression but who sit on their rears and look the other way when the murder and coverup of four Americans at the hands of the pos in the WH is proven?

    And then they protest that any criticism of the incompetent, traitorous Susan Rice is not only racist but sexist.

    And the repubs and Conservatives don’t even say boo. Oh, wait, that’s racist, isn’t it? Boo. Ghost. Sheet. Klan.

    The black women of the CBC shut McCain up good. They would doubtless shut us down if they could.

    Who knows? Maybe that day isn’t far off. At this rate the country is devolving into Farhenheit 451 territory at breathtaking speed. Can’t say this, can’t say that. I know, let’s not say anything anymore so no one gets insulted. Let’s prohibit all speech, on every subject unless it’s pos-approved glorification.

  205. Right on schedule. From Meghan Kelly at Fox.

    Today’s meme du jour is distinct from Friday’s alleging that Republicans like McCain and Graham are racist and sexist for picking on Obama’s designated stooge in the Benghazi mess. That meme’s still alive and kicking — James Clyburn pushed it this morning — but this one’s different. It’s not so much that Colmes and Scarborough et al. think that criticism of Rice is racist, it’s that they seem to think it can be spun as racist and therefore the “optics” should be enough to back Republicans off after the nightmare of November 6.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/20/meme-du-jour-itll-look-bad-if-republicans-pick-a-fight-with-susan-rice/

  206. I also see on sites like Politico they are trying to dismiss the Benghazi attack and make it all about race and gender for Rice. If the Republican’s dismiss this like they seem to have with F&F………..we are super s@rewed.

    No one to fight for truth and responsibility.

    May as well crown Barry as Supreme Leader, it will be more like N. Korea here than Spain.

    Where is the American FIGHT? Is everyone just too depressed to fight back?????????

    Did a big drone fly over and poison everyone with O’koolaid?

  207. BASIL99
    November 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    ——-
    “The optics, the optics………”

    Have they all lost their minds?

    Do they even care how darn stupid they sound, or do they just feel so confident and secure in their meaningless jobs that get to faun over the lame duck…

  208. I see the admin as being brilliant sending the black woman out to “talk” all wrong. They got the media now talking about race and all that shit, while Hillary was smeared left and right and nobody would say shit about it.

    The admin is cunning, they are going to get away with this just like Fast and Furious.

    However, the terrorists know now that they can hit us and not suffer any consequences. WHO has been made to pay for LibyaFibya??? Nobody. What does that tell Alqaeda and the others who want to kill us. It says, go ahead, we won’t do a damn thing about it and we’ll even help you do it by giving the order to stand down.

    The generals were fired because they knew, they were shown a “little bit” of what could happen to them. They’ll not talk now.

    The country is fcuked. Thats it in a nutshell. Look for another big 9 11 very soon.

    Something WILL eventually stick to this flim flam turd but it’s gonna take a lot of American’s to lose their lives, not just the 4 in Libya.

    What a fcuking shame and what a disgrace he and his whole administration is to the world.

  209. We “were” listening to FOX News. We are almost getting to the point of turning off the TV when Juan Williams comes on. We definitely change channels or shut the whole thing off when BO comes on. We can no longer stand to look at him much less listen to him drone on and on and on with his non answers, lying and reading some lofty gobble gook that someone immature “kid” wrote. I’m surprised BO is not embarrassed to read some of that junk. If any other president said the oceans would recede and on and on when he was elected, his political career would last about a year before the press and everyone else nailed him. Oh, the media!! Juan williams is a racist and will do anything to protect his “god”. He must buy koolaid by the gallon.

  210. Shadowfax,

    “If the Republican’s dismiss this like they seem to have with F&F………..we are super s@rewed.”

    Agreed. Looks like that’s what’s happening. Hence I’m in hunker-down mode.

  211. ‘Where is the American FIGHT? Is everyone just too depressed to fight back?????????’

    It all seems so pointless. The presstitutes are now the palace guards and they will protect the pos ’til the end.

    I hate this as much as you. It’s why I am slowly stepping away from the pc. There is no rallying point. Seems everyone has given up and succumbed to the inevitable.

    If that’s the case I’d rather spend my days in the equine world.

  212. Southern Born
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    “We are almost getting to the point of turning off the TV when Juan Williams comes on. We definitely change channels or shut the whole thing off when BO comes on.”

    You have more patience than me. I reached that point years ago.

    I can’t even watch Fox anymore. I generally only turn on the tube when I go to bed and lately I’ve gotten in the habit of watching mindless harmless shows like The Voice, American Pickers, Storage Wars, Pawnshop and, yes, I confess, sometimes the Housewives.

    At least those shows don’t pretend to be something they’re not.

  213. shadowfox,

    HRC has already thrown a monkey wrench into the Israeli response by forcing them to extend the cease fire instead of striking now while they’re ready.

    Israel should listen to its own counsel at this point. The have been abandoned, screwed over, dismissed and thrown under the bus. It’s time for them to take matters into their own hands, IMHO.

  214. Basil

    There is no rallying point. Seems everyone has given up and succumbed to the inevitable.

    ——–
    I know it feels that way right now but I refuse to succumb to any of this. If all I can do is keep fighting and yelling my head of at the corruption and joining in Tea Party protests and pushing against anyone that delights in Obama’s bs, then that is what I have to do.

    The Hell with giving in. I didn’t give in, back in 2008 and four years later, I am still pist and causing havoc in my little world in a very blue state.

    I will not show my throat to these nitwits, in both parties. I will support anyone that stands up to the bs.

  215. Basil

    HRC has already thrown a monkey wrench into the Israeli response by forcing them to extend the cease fire instead of striking now while they’re ready.

    —–

    I hope you are wrong, that Israel taking on this fight alone with the entire ME out for their blood has to be beyond what they can control, Barry would have his back up against the wall if Iran and other assholes join in the fight and America doesn’t step up to help Israel.

    I fear for this kink of war.

  216. Shadowfax,

    I’m not giving in, just orchestrating a personal tactical retreat. Don’t feel like wasting energy.

  217. Here’s where I picked up insight on the Isreal issue.

    Israel squanders initiative waiting for Obama

    Posted by William A. Jacobson Tuesday, November 20, 2012 at 4:26pm

    Israel caught Hamas off guard. While Hamas reasonably could have expected retaliation for stepped-up missile fire, it did not anticipate the nature of the retaliation — the assassination of the head of Hamas’ military wing and the bombing of numerous long-range missile depots.

    The lesson of Lebanon and the prior Gaza conflict is that air power alone cannot stop missiles from being fired by people who hide among civilians. The international community of thugs and anti-Israeli journalists will scream about Israeli retaliation, so Israel always has only a very short window to inflict decisive damage on the ground.

    That short window is gone. This analysis at DEBKAfile is spot on, For Israel, a truce is the worst of all worlds: Tied hands, Hamas unbowed:

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/israel-squanders-initiative-waiting-for-obama/

  218. Benghazi Double Talk
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-white-house-just-expose-another-rice-lie/
    “There was only one thing that was changed … and that was, the word ‘consulate’ was changed to ‘mission,’” Feinstein said. “That’s the only change that anyone in the White House made, and I have checked this out.”

    If the White House intentionally changed the reference to the Benghazi facility from a “consulate” to a “mission,” why did Rice repeatedly refer to the facility as a “consulate” when she engaged in a media blitz in the immediate aftermath of the Benghazi attack?

    In a Sept. 16 interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Rice twice labeled the facility a “consulate.”

    In a subsequent interview on CBS’s “This Morning,” she again referred to the facility as a “consulate.”

  219. Feinstein said. “That’s the only change that anyone in the White House made, and I have checked this out.”
    ———————————
    That too is a lie.

  220. You have checked this out? What exactly did you do to “check this out”? Feinstein is worthless on this issue.

  221. So they made the hapless, faceless Clapper the scapegoat for Benghazi talking points! What a bunch of nth rate fuckers.

  222. dot48
    November 20th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    I see the admin as being brilliant sending the black woman out to “talk” all wrong.
    ——————–

    Dot, the Dims should just run black men or women from now on and cry racism and sexism when things go wrong.

  223. I fear for this kink of war.

    ——- Ooops, ….that KIND of war.

    ——–
    Basil, I understand how you feel to hunker down, I feel that way certain days then get mad and feel like fighting.

    I don’t have the calm attitude at this point, I think it will take me awhile to find any ‘hope’ in the next 4 years…

    ——
    I know you don’t like Feinstein….I am probably the only one on this entire blog.

    Missed you today.

  224. Pm

    Dot, the Dims should just run black men or women from now on and cry racism and sexism when things go wrong.

    ——-
    Seems like that is what they have been doing for the most part, and will probably do more of in his 2nd frickin’ term. 😡

  225. I think from now on, after this Benghazi flap, the MO of the media whores and the WH idiots is to just keep quiet on all screw ups. If they don’t talk or respond, and at the same time ridicule and vilify the people who are talking about it, the people who are objecting, protesting, wanting to know the truth, what will happen? They will shut up at some point. This is the ultimate “nothing to see here, move on.” I have a vague feeling that the election day was like that too.

    I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.. (sorry to shout).

  226. Shadow, I meant that is what they should do forever..

    ——-
    I think the novelty will wear off with just putting in AAs, and the minorities will fight to put in the first Hispanic, the first Asian….and on and on.

    When will we have the first woman? Will it just be a minority default…I don’t give a ratsa$$ if it isn’t Hillary.

  227. OK, one more clarification.. It was sarcasm.. I was exaggerating but hope the idiots will be dumb enough to overdo it enough to shoot themselves in the foot. Anyway, I am done for the night..

  228. The way to keep Benghazi in the news and refute charges of racism & sexism is to have female pundits — preferably black (but other right-leaning minority men or women will do) — keep talking about it. They must be hard hitting and relentless on both fronts. Fox also has to find those few progressives who are also alarmed by the Benghazi murders and BO’s (non)response to it. For once I agree with Maureen Dowd on BO’s paternalistic attitude toward race.

  229. Pm

    I didn’t mean anything negative towards your comment, I was just expanding on what I thought would happen beyond that.

    Please don’t leave because of what I said.

  230. What Happened In Benghazi

    1. “WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” General Smedley Butler, former Commandant of the Marine Corps:
    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of BROWN BROTHERS in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

    2. Nunc pro tunc: then as now. There are three (3) business factions fighting over oil profits in the Middle East. The dominant one is the Soros faction. The Bush faction is also involved–remember the two billion which was to be used to rebuild Iraq that disappeared? The Soros faction has worked through their puppet Obama to distance itself from Israel and to promote the Muslim Brotherhood. They believe this group is for sale–but they are not. The British made the same mistake when they deposed the Shah of Iran, and paved the way for Khomeni. There is a third faction as well, but I am not at liberty to say who they are. The money making activities which the Soros faction is engaged involve allegedly money laundering and skimming. Suffice it to say, nothing they are doing is in the interests of the United States, anymore than what the Bush family and their business affiliate BROWN BROTHERS-Harriman have been doing for more than a century is in our interest regardless of how often they tell us it is to provide the blessings of democracy to the oppressed. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/carlyle.html

    3. So what happened in Benghazi? i) WHY did Soros puppet Obama cut back on security for the Benghazi outpost, when all indications were that an attack was imminent? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/13/266436/uk-weapons-in-us-libya-mission-missing/ ii) WHY did Soros puppet Obama fail to give the order to intervene when the embassy was under attack? And later lie about it and say he did give the order? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/13/266436/uk-weapons-in-us-libya-mission-missing/, iii) WHY did Soros puppet Obama lie about the true reason for the Benghazi attack, when he knew it was not a mob of protesters but a al Qaeda attack?, iv) WHY did big media which had steadfastly refused to cover Benghazi suddenly become interested in it when there was an alleged sex scandal emerged? and v) WHAT were Patreaus and Ambassador Stevens doing in Benghazi, when the embassy was in Tripoli and the British French and Red Cross had all pulled back because of the imminent threat of violence?

    4. Soros puppet Obama made a mistake when he appointed Stevens to be his ambassador to Libya. Unlike the daughter of my former neighbor, who was appointed to the ambassadorship of Luxembourg because she was an Obama bundler, lacked the requisite background and temperment for the job, and was fired a year later, Stevens was everything that individual was not: peace corps, foreign service resume, well liked by everyone, idealistic and committed to doing the right thing, without regard to what it cost him. And because he was well liked and interacted with the local leaders, he learned things about the machinations of the three groups mentioned in paragraph 1 above–particularly the Soros faction. He also uncovered incriminating documents. He tried to pass this information upstream but the phone calls were not returned. He knew Patreus and they had a good working relationship. At Stevens behest, Patreaus visited the Middle East and they spoke about this. Stevens also spoke to the Turkish diplomat on that subject. Unfortunately for the American People, the bad guys learned of this.

    5. Big media, with the exception of FOX had ignored the story except for this sex story, which appeals to their shallow prurient interest–and shameless love for Obama. The Democrats in Congress are solely interested in protecting Obama. The sex story is a lie. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” he told the Daily News. “There is a lot more that is going to come out … You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.” http://www.businessinsider.com/paula-broadwell-father-paul-krantz-2012-11#ixzz2CojALaaB.

    Patreus is a patriot. He does not care about his reputation. But he does care about his family. And if you doubt what these people are capable of doing to people who stand in their way, then you need to recall the untimely deaths of Hillary supporters Bill Gwatney who was gunned down by an unknown black assailent and Stephanie Tubbs Jones who died of a brain hemorrage on the eve of the convention, to prevent them from launching a floor challenge to Obama.

    6. As our duly elected representatives investigate the Bengazi debacle, and debate such incidental questions such as was Obama told of the threat, did he give the order to intervene, does his Rose Garden statement constitute a sufficient indication that he knew this was al Quaeda, did Rice lie or simply go with the best information she had, and how much of the CIA draft was changed by the White House, the one comprehensive answer for the consistent failure of Obama to act when he had a duty to act has yet to emerge. The death of Stevens and the discrediting of Patreus have stopped the momentum. Furthermore, Soros puppet Obama has discharged a number of senior military officers who were close to Patreaus, i.e. Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak, all of whom we had previously reported on in our reports. Just remember, 500 Generals and Admirals endorsed Obama. They knew he would clean up the corruption. Soros approached him with a deal, and unlike most politicians he declined. At this point, these patriots lost a battle but the war continues. There are many incriminating documents which have not yet come to light. FOX has them and will release them in due course. And although Soros has bought two senior Republicans whose names were not disclosed to me, there are others who will continue this fight for the American People, for the blind fools who got bamboozled into voting for Soros puppet Obama, as well as the rest of us.

    7. Finally, Soros is over eighty. He has sons but none of them are mentally astute enough to run his world wide subversive organization. Therefore, the succession plan is unclear.

  231. What Happened In Benghazi

    1. “WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” General Smedley Butler, former Commandant of the Marine Corps:
    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of BROWN BROTHERS in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

    2. Nunc pro tunc: then as now. There are three (3) business factions fighting over oil profits in the Middle East. The dominant one is the Soros faction. The Bush faction is also involved–remember the two billion which was to be used to rebuild Iraq that disappeared? The Soros faction has worked through their puppet Obama to distance itself from Israel and to promote the Muslim Brotherhood. They believe this group is for sale–but they are not. The British made the same mistake when they deposed the Shah of Iran, and paved the way for Khomeni. There is a third faction as well, but I am not at liberty to say who they are. The money making activities which the Soros faction is engaged involve allegedly money laundering and skimming. Suffice it to say, nothing they are doing is in the interests of the United States, anymore than what the Bush family and their business affiliate BROWN BROTHERS-Harriman have been doing for more than a century is in our interest regardless of how often they tell us it is to provide the blessings of democracy to the oppressed. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/carlyle.html

    3. So what happened in Benghazi? i) WHY did Soros puppet Obama cut back on security for the Benghazi outpost, when all indications were that an attack was imminent? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/13/266436/uk-weapons-in-us-libya-mission-missing/ ii) WHY did Soros puppet Obama fail to give the order to intervene when the embassy was under attack? And later lie about it and say he did give the order? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/13/266436/uk-weapons-in-us-libya-mission-missing/, iii) WHY did Soros puppet Obama lie about the true reason for the Benghazi attack, when he knew it was not a mob of protesters but a al Qaeda attack?, iv) WHY did big media which had steadfastly refused to cover Benghazi suddenly become interested in it when there was an alleged sex scandal emerged? and v) WHAT were Patreaus and Ambassador Stevens doing in Benghazi, when the embassy was in Tripoli and the British French and Red Cross had all pulled back because of the imminent threat of violence?

    4. Soros puppet Obama made a mistake when he appointed Stevens to be his ambassador to Libya. Unlike the daughter of my former neighbor, who was appointed to the ambassadorship of Luxembourg because she was an Obama bundler, lacked the requisite background and temperment for the job, and was fired a year later, Stevens was everything that individual was not: peace corps, foreign service resume, well liked by everyone, idealistic and committed to doing the right thing, without regard to what it cost him. And because he was well liked and interacted with the local leaders, he learned things about the machinations of the three groups mentioned in paragraph 1 above–particularly the Soros faction. He also uncovered incriminating documents. He tried to pass this information upstream but the phone calls were not returned. He knew Patreus and they had a good working relationship. At Stevens behest, Patreaus visited the Middle East and they spoke about this. Stevens also spoke to the Turkish diplomat on that subject. Unfortunately for the American People, the bad guys learned of this.

    5. Big media, with the exception of FOX had ignored the story except for this sex story, which appeals to their shallow prurient interest–and shameless love for Obama. The Democrats in Congress are solely interested in protecting Obama. The sex story is a lie. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” he told the Daily News. “There is a lot more that is going to come out … You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.” http://www.businessinsider.com/paula-broadwell-father-paul-krantz-2012-11#ixzz2CojALaaB.

    Patreus is a patriot. He does not care about his reputation. But he does care about his family. And if you doubt what these people are capable of doing to people who stand in their way, then you need to recall the untimely deaths of Hillary supporters Bill Gwatney who was gunned down by an unknown black assailent and Stephanie Tubbs Jones who died of a brain hemorrage on the eve of the convention, to prevent them from launching a floor challenge to Obama.

    6. As our duly elected representatives investigate the Bengazi debacle, and debate such incidental questions such as was Obama told of the threat, did he give the order to intervene, does his Rose Garden statement constitute a sufficient indication that he knew this was al Quaeda, did Rice lie or simply go with the best information she had, and how much of the CIA draft was changed by the White House, the one comprehensive answer for the consistent failure of Obama to act when he had a duty to act has yet to emerge. The death of Stevens and the discrediting of Patreus have stopped the momentum. Furthermore, Soros puppet Obama has discharged a number of senior military officers who were close to Patreaus, i.e. Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak, all of whom we had previously reported on in our reports. Just remember, 500 Generals and Admirals endorsed Obama. They knew he would clean up the corruption. Soros approached him with a deal, and unlike most politicians he declined. At this point, these patriots lost a battle but the war continues. There are many incriminating documents which have not yet come to light. FOX has them and will release them in due course. And although Soros has bought two senior Republicans whose names were not disclosed to me, there are others who will continue this fight for the American People, for the blind fools who got bamboozled into voting for Soros puppet Obama, as well as the rest of us.

  232. jeswezey
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:27 am
    Shadowfax November 19th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    “Just curious for all those that no longer support Hillary and wouldn’t vote for her in 2016 if she ran.
    Who do you trust and want to run in 2016?”
    =======

    That’s a very good question to post here at H44, and very well put.

    There are a lot of people badmouthing Hillary here, because her husband seems to have been fighting for Hillary 2016 all along, selling his soul for it. There are many people here who hold that against him and, by extension, against Hillary. This is illogical and ill-founded.
    ****************************
    Many of the posters that have changed their minds on BC and Hillary are gone. I will never vote for either again. They have both betrayed this country when opportunity rose to protect it. Character over party, country over party. Alot can and has happened in four years. I am terrified of the next four.

    The people you mention as running mates for Hillary are jokes as well.

    By the way,Guiliani would be great!

  233. 1. “WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” General Smedley Butler, former Commandant of the Marine Corps:

    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

    “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of BROWN BROTHERS in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

  234. 2. Nunc pro tunc: then as now. There are three (3) business factions fighting over oil profits in the Middle East. The dominant one is the Soros faction. The Bush faction is also involved–remember the two billion which was to be used to rebuild Iraq that disappeared? The Soros faction has worked through their puppet Obama to distance itself from Israel and to promote the Muslim Brotherhood. They believe this group is for sale–but they are not. The British made the same mistake when they deposed the Shah of Iran, and paved the way for Khomeni. There is a third faction as well, but I am not at liberty to say who they are. The money making activities which the Soros faction is engaged involve allegedly money laundering and skimming. Suffice it to say, nothing they are doing is in the interests of the United States, anymore than what the Bush family and their business affiliate BROWN BROTHERS-Harriman have been doing for more than a century is in our interest regardless of how often they tell us it is to provide the blessings of democracy to the oppressed. http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/carlyle.html

  235. 3. So what happened in Benghazi? i) WHY did Soros puppet Obama cut back on security for the Benghazi outpost, when all indications were that an attack was imminent? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/13/266436/uk-weapons-in-us-libya-mission-missing/ ii) WHY did Soros puppet Obama fail to give the order to intervene when the embassy was under attack? And later lie about it and say he did give the order? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/13/266436/uk-weapons-in-us-libya-mission-missing/, iii) WHY did Soros puppet Obama lie about the true reason for the Benghazi attack, when he knew it was not a mob of protesters but a al Qaeda attack?, iv) WHY did big media which had steadfastly refused to cover Benghazi suddenly become interested in it when there was an alleged sex scandal emerged? and v) WHAT were Patreaus and Ambassador Stevens doing in Benghazi, when the embassy was in Tripoli and the British French and Red Cross had all pulled back because of the imminent threat of violence?

  236. 4. Soros puppet Obama made a mistake when he appointed Stevens to be his ambassador to Libya. Unlike the daughter of my former neighbor, who was appointed to the ambassadorship of Luxembourg because she was an Obama bundler, lacked the requisite background and temperment for the job, and was fired a year later, Stevens was everything that individual was not: peace corps, foreign service resume, well liked by everyone, idealistic and committed to doing the right thing, without regard to what it cost him. And because he was well liked and interacted with the local leaders, he learned things about the machinations of the three groups mentioned in paragraph 1 above–particularly the Soros faction. He also uncovered incriminating documents. He tried to pass this information upstream but the phone calls were not returned. He knew Patreus and they had a good working relationship. At Stevens behest, Patreaus visited the Middle East and they spoke about this. Stevens also spoke to the Turkish diplomat on that subject. Unfortunately for the American People, the bad guys learned of this.

  237. 5. Big media, with the exception of FOX had ignored the story except for this sex story, which appeals to their shallow prurient interest–and shameless love for Obama. The Democrats in Congress are solely interested in protecting Obama. The sex story is a lie. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.”This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” he told the Daily News. “There is a lot more that is going to come out … You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.” http://www.businessinsider.com/paula-broadwell-father-paul-krantz-2012-11#ixzz2CojALaaB.

    Patreus is a patriot. He does not care about his reputation. But he does care about his family. And if you doubt what these people are capable of doing to people who stand in their way, then you need to recall the untimely deaths of Hillary supporters Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney who was gunned down by an unknown black assailant and Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Oh) who died of a brain hemmorage on the eve of the convention, to prevent them from launching a floor challenge to Obama. (Lest we forget.)

  238. 5. With the exception of FOX, big media had ignored the Benghazi story except for this sex story, which appeals to their shallow prurient interest–and shameless love for Obama. The Democrats in Congress are solely interested in protecting Obama. The sex story is a lie. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.”This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” he told the Daily News. “There is a lot more that is going to come out … You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/paula-broadwell-father-paul-krantz-2012-11#ixzz2CojALaaB.

    Patreus is a patriot. He does not care about his reputation. But he does care about his family. And if you doubt what these people are capable of doing to people who stand in their way, then you need to recall the untimely deaths of Hillary supporters Bill Gwatney who was gunned down by an unknown black assailent and Stephanie Tubbs Jones who died of a brain hemorrage on the eve of the convention, to prevent them from launching a floor challenge to Obama.

  239. 6. As our duly elected representatives investigate the Bengazi debacle, and debate such incidental questions such as was Obama told of the threat, did he give the order to intervene, does his Rose Garden statement constitute a sufficient indication that he knew this was al Quaeda, did Rice lie or simply go with the best information she had, and how much of the CIA draft was changed by the White House, the one comprehensive answer for the consistent failure of Obama to act when he had a duty to act has yet to emerge. The death of Stevens and the discrediting of Patreus have stopped the momentum. Furthermore, Soros puppet Obama has discharged a number of senior military officers who were close to Patreaus, i.e. Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak, all of whom we had previously reported on in our reports. Just remember, 500 Generals and Admirals endorsed Obama. They knew he would clean up the corruption. Soros approached him with a deal, and unlike most politicians he declined. At this point, these patriots lost a battle but the war continues. There are many incriminating documents which have not yet come to light. FOX has them and will release them in due course. And although Soros has bought two senior Republicans whose names were not disclosed to me, there are others who will continue this fight for the American People, for the blind fools who got bamboozled into voting for Soros puppet Obama, as well as the rest of us.

  240. 5. Big media, with the exception of FOX had ignored the story except for this sex story, which appeals to their shallow prurient interest–and shameless love for Obama. The Democrats in Congress are solely interested in protecting Obama. The sex story is a lie. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.”This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” he told the Daily News. “There is a lot more that is going to come out … You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.” http://www.businessinsider.com/paula-broadwell-father-paul-krantz-2012-11#ixzz2CojALaaB. (N.B.)Patreus is a patriot. He does not care about his reputation. But he does care about his family. And if you doubt what these people are capable of doing to people who stand in their way, then you need to recall the untimely deaths of Hillary supporters Bill Gwatney who was gunned down by an unknown black assailent and Stephanie Tubbs Jones who died of a brain hemorrage on the eve of the convention, to prevent them from launching a floor challenge to Obama

  241. 5. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.”This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” he told the Daily News. “There is a lot more that is going to come out … You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.” Patreus is a patriot. He does not care about his reputation. But he does care about his family. And if you doubt what these people are capable of doing to people who stand in their way, then you need to recall the untimely deaths of Hillary supporters Bill Gwatney who was gunned down by an unknown black assailent and Stephanie Tubbs Jones who died of a brain hemorrage on the eve of the convention, to prevent them from launching a floor challenge to Obama

  242. Correcton: Just remember, 500 Generals and Admirals endorsed ROMNEY. Soros approached ROMNEY with a deal just as he did with Obama, but ROMNEY declined. Unlike Puppet Obama, Romney was not for sale.

  243. The entire big media new meme fixates on the all powerful Obama. They see only the puppet, and never the puppeteer. I am getting tired of listening to big media lie, and other people catch them lying. My friend claims they will eventually come around. However, I am quite sure that they will never come around. My friend tells me that it took 200 articles by Washpo before the rest of the media woke up. What my friend fails to realize is that big media did not install Nixon, but they sure as hell installed Obama. The other thing was Nixon was a Republican, whereas Obama is a dimocrat. Big media is overwhelmingly dimocrat themselves and are today the center of the institutional left, which is destroying the country. As Pat Caddell says, they are the enemy of the American People.

  244. wbb
    At this point, these patriots lost a battle but the war continues. There are many incriminating documents which have not yet come to light. FOX has them and will release them in due course. And although Soros has bought two senior Republicans whose names were not disclosed to me, there are others who will continue this fight for the American People, for the blind fools who got bamboozled into voting for Soros puppet Obama, as well as the rest of us.

    ——
    So Fox and the military have the goods on Barry?

    Do you have any idea who the two Reps are, McCain and Graham?

    I hope this is true and Obama doesn’t get away with it.

    I would think the military wouldn’t bend over and risk their lives to protect a corrupt prez like Obama.

  245. Do you have any idea who the two Reps are, McCain and Graham?
    ——————————–
    McCain and Graham are on the side of the angels on this one. My source did not know who the two Republicans were whom Soros has succeeded in corrupting. All I was told is they are very senior Republicans. I have three people in mind, but without proof, I am reluctant to say.

  246. Larry Johnson comes to the aid of Susan Rice and Obama on her controversial pre nomination dance. Nice . . .
    ———————————————————————

    Let me state up front that I hope and pray that Susan Rice is confirmed as Secretary of State. Why? She is a total, dysfunctional bitch and will make Barack Obama’s life miserable. (Lest you think that sexist, I’m happy to amend my description to refer to her as a “total prick,” instead). You think I’m exaggerating? I have a friend who knows Susan’s mother. Susan’s mother does not like Susan (which may explain why Susan is such a bitter, angry, little person).

    (snip).

    Obama and his entire National Security team knew the night of 9-11 that the United States had been hit by a group tied to Al Qaeda. No doubt about that. They wanted to cover up their covert op that was shipping weapons to jihadists in Syria and did not want to disrupt Obama’s meme about having Al Qaeda on the run.
    So, if you need a clueless bimbo to go on TV and sell a load of crap who ya gonna call? Susan Rice. Hell yes. Let’s make her SecState. If we’re going to fuck up America we might as well go all the way.

  247. @Shadowfax, no issues.. I was just tired and gone.

    Soros and his puppet.. I am sick of hearing all this. If there is any there there people should come forward and say it. If Petraeus thing is all a lie, why does he suffer the public humiliation? Like I said I am sick and tired of hearing all this stuff and believing in them. It is like the Ulsterman stories.

    wbboei, you often cut and paste other people’s stuff here without a link and attribution. I think you should say what your source is clearly and what is your own.

  248. FWIW I am here in spirit. Mozart was criticized for having too many notes.
    For me at this time it is too many words as well as being the wrong words which I hear when I succumb to watching tee vee news. The din of ObamaPraise is what it was 4 years ago and I cannot think of anything to say that would gain traction against it at this time.
    I’ve written disapproval here over WJC but it does not necessarily mean that I’ve forever left him in the dust.
    I am easier on HRC and I dearly loved seeing her snooze through some of Preezy’s big speech the other day. 🙂

    Guess I’m just biding my time. I know that’s an old song, but I’m not in the mood (is that another old song?) to go searching out youtube links.
    In the meantime, on this day, WPIX Lionel took another rare swing at the Ted Baxter media as well as the Sheeple who follow it.

  249. I’m beginning to wonder if this could be true.

    GOP legally barred from fighting vote fraud

    a race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean.

    Impossible?

    No. Fact.

    The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican National Committee, originally from 1982.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fraud/

    Voting machines suspiciously defaulting to Barack Obama? Buses loaded with strangers appearing at polling stations? Even ballots turning out 100 percent for one candidate in precinct reports?

    In short, suspicions of vote fraud?

    That’s too bad, because a race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean.

    Impossible?

    No. Fact.

    The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican National Committee, originally from 1982.

  250. I think Leonora posted about this a few days ago. Here’s more on how the pos wants to raid 401K plans and redistribute the money to others.

    This is chilling.

    Government Sets Its Sights on Private Retirement Accounts: “Giant Effort to Redistribute the Wealth of America’s Older Citizens”

    **********************************************************************

    A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people. She demanded the Obama administration set up a “government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (the governments’ Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation).”

    Such “reforms” would effectively end private retirement accounts in America, Crone warns.

    “These people want the government to require that ultimately all Americans buy these government annuities instead of saving or investing on their own.The Government could then take these trillions of dollars and redistribute it through this new national retirement system.”

    “This effort ultimately is designed to grab the retirement nest eggs of America’s senior citizens. This new government annuity scheme, even if it is at first optional, will turn into a giant effort to redistribute the wealth of America’s older citizens,” explains Crone. “This scheme mirrors what I expect the President will try to do with Social Security. He wants to turn that program into a welfare program, too.”

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/government-sets-its-sights-on-private-retirement-accounts-%E2%80%9Cgiant-effort-to-redistribute-the-wealth-of-america%E2%80%99s-older-citizens%E2%80%9D.html

  251. This pretty much sums up my sentiments.

    Excerpts from the always enigmatic Lame Cherry
    *****************************************

    This cartel of Obama has the law enforcement, the government, the schools, the hospitals, the banks and the food supply. They now control the voting machines in the vote scam. There is no human way possible to stand up against this nor to defeat it, because if you try you will be thwarted in stolen elections or become and enemy of the state.
    The only solution is to learn the lessons of the Obama voters in scamming the system, and do it legally to protect yourselves, your families and your properties.

    *******************************************
    Barack Obama is a criminal and waiting around from some Pentagon people to watergate him is waiting around at a dry hole hoping it rains. You have to protect yourselves . . . and start being like the Ohio settlers in being a farmer in the morning, horse trader at noon and by night you wove a blanket. You have to educate yourselves not in what you already know, but educate yourselves in how to siphon off from a system that is designed to kill you and kill America.

    If you go to college you are going to be a debt slave to the debt terrorists. If you work, the debt terrorists will take all you have. The measure of all of this is looking at your individual situation, seeing how to protect what you have and then finding ways to have Obama’s debt terrorists pay you to do what his voters do in taking money.

    Obama has already monetized the economy, the stock markets, the banks, the hospitals, the schools and yes the debt. It is not some measure of anything credible and saying it is not credible is not going to stop it from happening as it is all fraud.
    *****************************************************

    America is in your hearts and that is the only place she survives. The rest of this is going to implode and the sooner it does the better it will be for the individual and worse for the cartel which is not ready to initiate their program.

  252. Lu4PUMA
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    Benghazi Double Talk
    “There was only one thing that was changed … and that was, the word ‘consulate’ was changed to ‘mission,’” Feinstein said. “That’s the only change that anyone in the White House made, and I have checked this out.”
    &&&&&&&&

    Ummm, Petraeus testified that specifics of it being a terrorist attack (and “them” being Al Qeda) was what was removed from the CIA assessment. Not substituting “mission” for “consulate”.

    Heck, I only have limited amount of time, and I can spot that. Either Feinstein is much more stupid than I am, or she’s lying.

    Pick your poison, Diane.

  253. wbboei
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:09 am

    Do you have any idea who the two Reps are, McCain and Graham?
    ——————————–
    McCain and Graham are on the side of the angels on this one. My source did not know who the two Republicans were whom Soros has succeeded in corrupting. All I was told is they are very senior Republicans. I have three people in mind, but without proof, I am reluctant to say.
    —-
    Thanks for this piece of info, it’s the only sign of hope I have seen since the election.

  254. wbboei
    November 21st, 2012 at 1:27 am
    5. If you think that a man like Patreus who has been a model of rectitude all his life would succumb to the wiles of Paula Browell, to the point of 30,000 emails and sex in every position known to man including under the desk, then your are delusional. But that is the story fed to the media by Soros puppet Obama and that is what they have gone with. Patreaus knows it a lie, so does his wife and so does Paula Broadwell. Her father’s reaction says it all:Paula Broadwell’s father Paul Krantz gave the New York Daily News a strange, cryptic quote this afternoon outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.
    &&&&&&&&

    Wow, interesting. I didn’t consider this a possibility…

  255. A tip for those trying to post videos the only way I can get it to work is this.
    Go to the video on you tube share to face book and copy link location from there. 🙂

  256. A cease-fire between Israel and Hamas will take effect at 9 p.m. (2 p.m. ET) today, Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amr announced at a joint news conference with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    The Israeli-Hamas cease-fire should “improve conditions for the people of Gaza and provide security for the people of Israel,” Clinton said.

    The upsurge in violence began eight days ago. Hamas has been firing hundreds of rockets from Gaza into Israel, and Israel has launched repeated airstrikes into Gaza.

    At least 142 people have died in Gaza since the Israeli airstrikes began, according to the Ministry of the Interior in Gaza. Another 1,180 have been injured, the ministry said. In Israel, five people have died and 94 have been wounded, according to authorities.

    CNN has multiple crews in Gaza, Israel and neighboring countries to bring you the latest accurate information on the conflict, the impact on people and talks to stop the violence. Turn to CNN TV and http://CNN.com for what you need to know now.

  257. In re. Benghazi, the easier part of the puzzle is what Larry has come up with, and what we identified more than a month ago as the two most likely causes for the failure to prepare, to intervene and to tell the truth about what happened: to protect the election narrative, and to hide the dirty truth that Obama was gunrunning in order to topple the pro-Iranian regime. As clear and logical as that is, it will be difficult for the political process to get there for two reasons, i.e. the democrats and media will hide the truth from the American People because it reflects badly on their party and their president–party before country is their unstated motto, and the further fact that when it comes to understanding occurrences such as this, we operate within a very narrow bandwidth of what is possible, which is defined by our corrupt big media who, by their own admission, are an extension of the White House. But in time, I think we will get there. The question will then become whether the president’s actions and inactions rise to the level of a high crime, and/or treason. This would not be the first time a commander in chief or commander left people to die, therefore the question would be one of motive. The other part of the equation, the deeper logic if you will, namely the age old game of capitalists to foment things like Arab Spring, hoping to reap the ensuing profits, is known by people in the military, FBI and CIA. But people in these positions are loyal to the chain of command, and have a natural aversion to challenging the civilian order, regardless of how corrupt it obviously is. For me, it is much harder to react as I once did to the daily headlines, which comprise the puppet show, and ignore the puppeteers.

  258. This cease fire is no surprise. It was inevitable. The last time Bibi sent ground troops in, they got mired in a door to door conflict, and it was an ugly war of attrition. So lets not get too carried away here. If you view this development as you should, Iran used Hamas to attack Israel in order to prevent the western powers from trying to topple the Assad regime through gun running and other means, and the Israeli response was one of limited self defense. This reminds me of some of the deals Bill Richardson did, largely an excuse for both sides to back off, each having made its point. It is more of the puppet show referred to above.

  259. The problem with the American People is that when it comes to politics, they think emotionally rather than logically. As such, they are fare game for the Patent Medicine show of mainstream media politics. What is happening today, sub rosa, is the elites have emasculated the Constitution, stolen the wealth of the American People and disenfrachised them. Yet, if you talk to most people, they do not understand this. If you talk to republicans who have failed to understand the manipulations which occured in this past election, and what they portend for future elections, you realize that they are clueless. It was surprising to me how quickly Erickson at Red State was to claim that Obama won fair and square–and to ignore the cheating that went on in the battleground states. Eric seemed more interested in settling scores within the party, in particular, with the elites of that party who tried to ignore the base and reach out to independents. And it was equally revealing to see how quickly Bobby Jindal was to blame Romney FOR RUNNING A DEVISIVE CAMPAIGN. Jindal is an unelectable dolt, but he sees an opening to diversify the party racially, and for him to ride the crest of that wave to the White House. The only candidate who came out of this thing well positioned was Marko Rubio, and one is left to speculate whether the result would have been different if Romney had chose him. Another fool who may grasp for the brass ring is the morbidly obese Chris Christy. If that is his fond aspiration, then he should waste no time changing parties. Finally, we have the totally corrupt big media. This puppet show is not worth paying attention to.

  260. Sorry but HRC had nothing to do with the ceasefire. It’s just another scripted moment designed to give all thanks to D.L. as he pardons the turkeys at a ceremony scheduled for 2 p.m., the same time, coincidentally, as the beginning of the ceasefire.

    Just another dog and pony show.

    Ever since she willingly went along with the meme Benghazzi was caused by an amateur film trailer, kept silent while the guy was arrested and then appeared with the pos in an ad shown in Pakistan blaming the massacre on the film I have lost whatever remaining respect I had for her.

    What about Stevens? What about the families of the other 3 Americans?

    crickets.

  261. Brilliant, wbboei.

    “Iran used Hamas to attack Israel in order to prevent the western powers from trying to topple the Assad regime through gun running and other means, and the Israeli response was one of limited self defense.”

  262. “The problem with the American People is that when it comes to politics, they think emotionally rather than logically.”

    You are giving them far too much credit. i doubt they think at all.

  263. BREAKING: Jesse Jackson Jr. to resign within the hour, according to report
    posted at 1:57 pm on November 21, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    Wish he would take Holder, Rice, Valjar and Lisa Jackson with him.

  264. No cease fire will ever hold for long with Hamas, they live to hate and destroy Israel. Adinnerjacket feels the same and is a bigger threat.

    I don’t see any good option for Israel over the long run.

    Without the ‘ceasefire’ this would be all out war that would drag many ME countries into the fight and Barry doesn’t want to do any more than vote ‘present’.

    Hillary is doing what she can with words and logic, but she is not in the drivers seat on American ‘power’. She would be blamed if she threw up her hands and didn’t try to get a ceasefire, and she will be blamed when Hamas breaks the agreement.

  265. For what it’s worth…

    [snip]

    Obama said the United States would use the cease-fire to increase efforts to help Israel address its security needs, especially the issue of the smuggling of weapons and explosives into Gaza. And he is committed to seeking additional funding for U.S.-Israel missile defense programs.

    The prime minister’s office confirmed that Netanyahu talked to Obama and said he accepted the president’s recommendation to give a chance to the Egyptian offer of cease-fire.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/21/white-house-obama-reassured-netanyahu-us-backing-during-ceasefire-talks/

  266. “Obama only won by 400,000 votes in four states. ALL of which showed Romney ahead in the days leading up to the election, but losing by a substantial margin. All of which have precincts that inexplicably went 99 percent for Obama and had voter registrations that exceeded their population. ALL of which have public statements of problems with voting machines changing Romney votes to Obama.”

    WND

  267. Breaking News, Jesse Jackson will announce his resignation today. He has been havinng treatments at the Mayo Clinic.

  268. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. will announce today that he is resigning from Congress, a source close to Jackson said. Jackson, an Illinois Democrat, had been undergoing treatment recently at the Mayo Clinic, which said in August he was suffering from depression. Jackson, 47, won his bid for a 10th term in the U.S. House this month despite making no public campaign appearances and having been out of the public eye since May.

  269. BASIL99
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    BREAKING: Jesse Jackson Jr. to resign within the hour, according to report
    &&&&

    Why did he even bother “winning” another term??

  270. “Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    Wish he [Jesse Jacksn Jr] would take Holder, Rice, Valjar and Lisa Jackson with him.”
    _________________________.

    Yes, indeed, Basil. I’ll bet we could add to that list: Of course # 1 would be:

    BO and Mooch
    Rep Clyburn from SC
    Rep Cleaver
    Shirely Jacksn Lee TX and the rest of the racists like them
    Van Jones
    Elizabeth Warren
    Nancy Pelosi
    Harry Reid
    Axlerd and Pfuff
    Tim Geithner
    Stephanie Powers
    Claire McCaskill

    You know it is fun to make a wish list of those who need to leave Washingtn DC and never ever come back…kinda like a letter to Santa. That’d be the best Christmas gift!

  271. Jackson hasn’t been active in politics for more than five months, but won re-election earlier this month with 63% of the vote. [gateway quoting Marketwatch]

  272. I propose those who are unhappy with the election should rock the vote.

    no? I mean literally take a rock and break the electronic voting machines. err a rock doesnt work so well but maybe use a bottle of salt water or diluted acid.

    if the electronic voting machines are nationally destroyed we can go back to paper which at least has a trail.

    “ROCK THE VOTE IN 2014”

  273. Greta is fired up:
    [Here is more Dana Milbank had to say:]

    “…True, Rice was following orders from the White House, which she does well. But the nation’s top diplomat needs to show more sensitivity and independence — traits Clinton has demonstrated in abundance. Obama can do better at State than Susan Rice…”
    I have not heard MS/NBC or their employee Richard Wolf call the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank a racist. Why not? Under Wolf’s definition of a racist – opposing Ambassador Rice – the Washington Post’s Milbank, like Senator McCain, is a racist. They both oppose Ambassador Rice as Secretary of State. Of course you and I both know that neither Milbank nor McCain is a racist for opposing Amb Rice. But Richard Wolf? What is he? What is he for falsely accusing someone of being something as terrible as a racist?
    By the way, Senator McCain and his wife have an adopted African child who is now a young adult so my guess is that this reckless insult is particularly painful to his family. MS/NBC’s Richard Wolf might want to extend a special apology directly to their child since I bet it was extra painful to read for her to read that her Father, Sen. McCain, was falsely being called a racist….
    http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/21/lets-get-something-straight-senator-john-mccain-is-not-a-racist-and-while-i-am-at-it-neither-is-president-bill-clinton-msnbc-needs-to-direct-its-employee-richard-wolffe-to-apologize

  274. ‘Why did he even bother “winning” another term??’

    Clearly, rgb, he wanted a hand in naming his successor and collecting the pass-go fee.

    His seat now, I believe, is allocated either by appointment or special election.

  275. SURPRISE!

    😯

    Hamas Violates Cease-Fire

    Hamas has already violated the cease-fire negotiated by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood government. According to sources within Israel, air raid sirens sounded in the city of Beer Sheva as the cease-fire went into effect at 9 p.m. local time, and rocket attacks were reported elsewhere across the south.

    In addition, as reported by Israeli blogger Jameel at “The Muqata,” a new poll released by Israel’s Channel 2 indicates that 70% of Israelis oppose a cease-fire, and only 24% support one. (The poll was conducted before today’s announcement of a cease-fire agreement.) 64% of Israelis believe a cease-fire will not last. A smaller majority, 58%, believes that Operation Pillar of Defense strengthened Israel’s deterrent; 15% say it is weaker.

    The cease-fire agreement came as Israel scored hit after hit on Hamas terror infrastructure, including Iranian-made long-range rockets–but also shortly after a terror attack on a bus in Tel Aviv for which Hamas claimed responsibility. The timing may allow Hamas to claim a political and strategic victory, especially as its rockets reached the outskirts of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem for the first time during the week-long conflict.

    Pressure from the United States undoubtedly played a role, as the Obama administration was reluctant to see Israel launch a ground war in Gaza, and Clinton may have threatened to close the purse strings of aid to Egypt.

    Other polls showed that Israelis, who supported the aerial assault on Gaza, were far more reluctant to back a ground campaign that could take weeks and involve casualties to Israeli soldiers, including reservists. Yet the Israeli public seems convinced that Hamas has not been sufficiently crippled and that more needed to be done.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/21/Hamas-Violates-Cease-Fire-70-Percent-of-Israelis-Oppose-It

  276. Sirmks, what we can do is relentlessly expose, discredit, and ridicule BO, his followers, and his pathetic msm. The Emperor still has no clothes…the chair of leadership is still empty. Push back at every turn. Accusations of racism are the new McCarthyism, but even so, such accusations have lost all meaning.

  277. sirmrks

    if the electronic voting machines are nationally destroyed we can go back to paper which at least has a trail.

    —–

    Not so sure on paper ballot trail.

    Where I vote in CA we have paper ballots and we fill in bubbles with a special marker. When we have voted, we get a stub from that ballot with a number on it. We feed our ballot into a special plastic container with a slot.

    I asked the precinct folks if there was proof that my vote was counted towards the candidate I picked.

    The answer was that I could go online, trace my number and see that I voted. Problem is it will not show WHAT or the Candidates I voted for….just that I voted.

    So there is no proof on these ballots that my vote for Mitt wasn’t given to Barry.
    In CA my vote doesn’t matter because this is the land of unicorns.

  278. The answer was that I could go online, trace my number and see that I voted. Problem is it will not show WHAT or the Candidates I voted for….just that I voted.

    So there is no proof on these ballots that my vote for Mitt wasn’t given to Barry.
    ——————————————–

    In most secret ballot voting countries, they can’t map your vote with the candidate you chose. But what can be an indelible evidence of a vote for your candidate without your identity on it is a piece of paper that shows the vote going to Romney. EV machines without paper trail is a disaster. Even with paper trail there is no guarantee there is no fraud. A piece of paper independently generated at the time you cast your vote kept aside but used in manual re-counting if there is a need/demand for it will work. But for all this to work fine, we need a strong press/media that will scream if there are improprieties observed and are feared by perpetrators, election board workers with integrity and principles (not the kind that would hang a Obama mural on the wall in the polling place), and so on..are essential. What went on in 2012 and 2008 primary is sophisticated stealing/mugging, high-tech lynching of voters and making a mockery of democracy.

  279. Israel may have obtained a short term peace, at relatively small loss of Israeli life. But Hamas will claim the victory. Hamas will restock and expand its arsenal, as Hezbollah did in Lebanon. There may not be any rocket fire in the short run, but when the Iranian orders come, Hamas will be a a position to overwhelm even the Iron Dome defenses.

    Hamas lost some key members, and plenty of buildings. It will not make a difference, they will celerate their victory. They fired long range missiles into the heart of Israel and live to fight another day.

    And in exchange for stopping firing rockets, Hamas gets more open borders.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/israel-and-hamas-agree-to-obama-sponsored-truce/#more

  280. The bottom line of this cease fire for Israel: a tactical draw, and a strategic defeat, for the reasons enumerated by Professor Jacobson.

  281. Most of all we need a free press/media that will shame the perpetrators and we need non-partisan, highly principled people with integrity running the elections. We don’t have either. It is a very big disappointment for me coming from India (where elections are conducted with higher integrity than here and they are proud of it and have a working press/media) that we can’t match it here.

  282. Get directions to J P’s North
    Russian GRU Intelligence Agency
    Reportedly Says Obama Fired Military Officers Because He ‘Fears a Coup’

    According to (shadowy anonymous blogger) Sorcha Faal the Russian military’s GRU foreign intelligence unit presented a report to Kremlin leadership late last month that said Obama removed one of the United States Navy’s most powerful admirals from his command (in the wake of Benghazi 9/11) specifically because he fears a military coup is being planned against him.

    On 9/11/2012, that officer -Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, commander of Carrier Strike Group Three in the Middle East- apparently felt obligated to come to the aid of besieged US defenses at the Benghazi consulate, violating an utterly bewildering White House command he probably had a hard time believing was even being made. Gaouette was said to be attempting to help AFRICOM commander General Carter Ham, also purged by Obama for violating of an obstinate White House insistence to ‘stand down’.

    Ham considered himself bound-by-duty to take action, but the story goes that his second-in-command -a likely Obammunist- promptly stepped-right-up and informed him he’d just been ‘relieved of his command’, effective immediately- General Ham was then physically apprehended/arrested.

    Subsequently -and despite Navy claims that he was NOT ‘replaced’ due to Benghazi- Admiral Gaouette was otherwise inexplicably removed as Carrier Strike Group commander on October 27th…
    Faal:

    US news reports on Obama’s unprecedented firing of a powerful US Navy Commander during wartime state that Admiral Gaouette’s removal was for ‘allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment’ that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East.

    This GRU report, however, states that Admiral Gaouette’s firing by President Obama was due to this strike force commander disobeying orders when he ordered his forces on 11 September to ‘assist and provide intelligence for’ American military forces ordered into action by US Army General Carter Ham, who was then the commander of the United States Africa Command (AFRICOM), against terrorist forces attacking the American Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

    General Ham had been in command of the initial 2011 US-NATO military intervention in Libya who, like Admiral Gaouette, was fired by Obama.

    And as we can, in part, read from US military insider accounts of this growing internal conflict between the White House and US Military leaders: ‘The information I heard today was that General [Carter] Ham as head of AFRICOM received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

    General Ham then received the order to stand down.
    His response was ‘screw it’, he was going to help anyhow.

    Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command…’

  283. Fox tv, just said Rice says she is not qualified to be SOS…will be on soon.

    That probaby means Kerry will get his wish and Hillary can get the Hell outta Dodge.

  284. Not sure if I had bananas in my ears or if what was reported on Fox before the break was a false statement, but Rice didn’t say she was unqualified to be SOS.

    Sorry….

  285. woah. video at link.
    News Anchors Stun Audience & Resign Live On-Air: Told to Do ‘Unbalanced News, Politically’
    Two Maine news anchors resigned together at the end of Tuesday’s broadcast after “a longstanding battle with upper management over journalistic practices” including being expected to do politically unbalanced news, the Bangor Daily News reported.
    Cindy Michaels and Tony Consiglio announced at the end of WVII-TV’s 6 p.m. newscast that it would be their final broadcast together.
    “And finally tonight, this will be Tony and my final show together here on ABC 7,” Michaels said. “The last six years have been an interesting and enjoyable time for both of us as we have been the longest running news team in Bangor.”
    Consiglio said “some recent developments have come to our attention though and departing together is the best alternative we can take….”
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/news-anchors-stun-audience-resign-live-on-air-told-to-do-unbalanced-news-politically/ via @theblaze 11/21/12

  286. (sirmrks: If the electronic voting machines are nationally destroyed we can go back to paper which at least has a trail.)

    Shadowfax November 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    “Not so sure on paper ballot trail.”

    No, simrks is right: Paper is the way to go. It leaves a trail and the possibility of a viable recount.

    But pm317 is right too: The paper trail does not serve to check that your vote was correctly recorded. There is and can be no way of checking that, because the ballot must remain secret. That is fundamental – the secret ballot.

    The paper ballot is better because you can check your vote before you cast it. After that, you have to trust the polling officers.

    The stub you get in California is a good idea but is just a guarantee that your vote was counted. All the stubs from all the candidates have to add up to the sum total of votes for all the candidates: If there were a million votes cast, for example, then all the votes for Romney and Obama combined must add up to exactly a million. If your stub isn’t online, though, you can protest using the stub and demand that it be counted.

    Of course, you can always suspect the polling officers of fraud or just getting the count wrong; but the paper trail is there and a recount is possible. The very fact that it is possible, however, makes it unnecessary in practice: that is the experience of countries that use the paper ballot.

    So I think the whole country should move in the direction of California and other states that use a paper ballot.

    But beyond this question, or underlying it, there is the more important issue of voter ID, the lack of which makes it possible for people to vote more than once in a single day, or to use names of deceased or even fictional characters.

    Voter ID is difficult to establish in the US because it is unconstitutional to require ID. The ‘man on the street’ or ‘in his castle’ is by definition anonymous if he wishes (5th amendment), and no ID can be required of him. Since voting is considered to be a universal right, it follows that a person can vote without identifying himself.

    I should point out that the US is the only country in the world that faces a problem of this kind. Everywhere else, ID is required.

    A number of states are trying to come to grips with this issue, and the DOJ is giving them a hard time because of the logic I described in the paragraph above. The states argue that you need proof of citizenship and address to get a driver’s license, which comes under states rights; but DOJ argues back that driving a vehicle is a privilege, not a right.

    If the Federal Government wanted to do something positive in this regard (which does not seem to be the case), it would liken voter ID not to a driver’s license but to a passport. We think of a passport as a privilege because it is only international travelers who need it.

    But a passport is a right. You don’t have to prove you are going on a trip abroad or have lots of money to get a passport. You just send in an application with the necessary proof of citizenship, and the State Dept cannot refuse to give you a passport.

    Likewise, if you provide the necessary proof of citizenship (social security number?) and address, plus photo, the federal government could not refuse to give you voter ID. And it would be a national system, then, with paper ballots and stubs too. Voter fraud would be a thing of the past, and miscounts too.

    Then comes:

    Shadowfax November 21st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    “… also included is caucus fraud and voter intimidation.”

    My opinion is that the caucuses should be eliminated entirely.

    There was talk of that in D circles after the 2008 election. It’s a device that dates from the days when people were one big happy family and knew how to talk to each other. But it is basically undemocratic because the voting is not secret – which I noted above is absolutely fundamental – and thus opens the door to intimidation. Don’t pine for the good old days: Get rid of the caucuses.

    Voter intimidation at election time, such as we saw in Philadelphia in 2008 and probably occurred again this time around, is simply illegal. That is, there are sufficient laws against it and therefore it is a law enforcement matter. No systemic changes are needed, just good police.

  287. pm317 November 21st, 2012 at 6:47 pm
    “Most of all we need a free press/media that will shame the perpetrators and we need non-partisan, highly principled people with integrity running the elections. We don’t have either. It is a very big disappointment for me coming from India (where elections are conducted with higher integrity than here and they are proud of it and have a working press/media) that we can’t match it here.”

    ========

    The Indians do have people of higher integrity running the press and the political show; but there must be a strong culture supporting them, because the inescapable rule is that water rises no higher than its source – and as wbboei reminds us constantly, “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.”

    Concerning elections, I refer you to my remarks above (in which I quote you). I think it is possible to return to fair elections in the US without insisting on the integrity of the people counting the votes.

    As for the “free” press/media, it is sad to say that the press and media are indeed free in the US, but only by the American definition of unfettered freedoms. I tried to press this point after the 9/11 attacks on US embassies over the anti-Muslim film, but was pushed back even by admin.

    The press and media are free in one sense – that they are not owned by the government and are not censored by law. This is little solace when we see them taking their talking points from the White House.

    The press and media are paid by their advertisers, and the advertisers are concerned only with reaching the largest audience possible. For-profit press and media thus reach the largest possible audience by giving the audience what it wants, which is entertainment. So, everything on the air is produced for its entertainment value, including the news. News is now show biz.

    Which brings us back to the responsibility for all this, which is the audience. Once again, water rises no higher than its source: the audience wants entertainment and that’s what the producers give them. It is the public that is ultimately responsible for this state of affairs.

    The for-profit “free” press and media also Xeroxes its audience’s idea of freedom of speech, which is that you can say anything you please (except cuss words) and refrain from saying anything you don’t want, because no one is accountable for what they say. That is our idea of “free speech” that we think the whole world should ape.

    It is depressing enough for me to hear such irresponsible speech amongst private individuals, though at our level in the powerless crowd, it is understandable. But when I witness press or media journalists spinning their web of opinions and ignoring important issues and pieces of information, I feel it is an outrageous abuse of “free speech” and the height of irresponsibility.

    “Free speech” indeed! These people are generally more educated than their audience, and are trained to be seekers of truth. They have power. They are the “fourth estate”. They are trained to inform, not influence. And day after day, they abuse free speech right in front of us and we swallow it all, not realizing that they are only their to entertain us – give the people what we want.

    I have met few Indians and most of them were better educated than me. I have watched Indian films and read Indian newspapers. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I get the impression that Indians are more laid-back and thoughtful in their approach, less prone to come out with quick solutions to every problem, more philosophical if you will, and that may be the “strong culture” I referred to above, supporting the integrity of the press, media and political class?

  288. Been very busy and under the weather.Should be back and active for Hillary again.Her cease fire between Isreal and Hamas is another victory for the worlds most popular woman and te presidency is hers if she wants it.

  289. ABM90 – Yeah! I was getting worried about you. Sorry you weren’t feeling well, but glad to know you were very busy. Being busy at 94 is an accomplishment!

    Yes, the ceasefire is a victory but as is always the case, if you’re on one side or the other, you think your side got a raw deal.

    The ceasefire that ended World War I is still celebrated today in Europe, though. Armistice Day!

    Another thing: In your absence, a lot of people left the blog for lack of respect for the Clintons. We Hillary supporters would have appreciated your optimism.

  290. Southern Born
    November 21st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
    Administrator, we hope you have a lovely Thanksgiving. We do miss you, however.

    ——
    I second that, and hope all Big Pinkers have a good day tomorrow with family/ friends, with or without turkey. 😉

  291. Happy Thanksgiving to the Big Pink community. And thank you to Admin for all that you do.

    HILLARY 2016!!!!!!!!!

  292. From La Belle Époque to the Fin-de-Siècle to what?

    Irrationalism, subjectivism, totalitarianism

    History repeats itself.

    2012 was a watershed election.

    The Republicans made three mistakes:

    First, they underestimated the impact of our perverse culture.

    Second, they failed to realize that identity trumps competence.

    Third, they overestimated the intelligence of the American People.

    The first is bad, the second is worse, but the third is fatal.

    The far left divides us by race, gender, age, income etc.

    It castigates our culture and promotes multi culturalism

    With the federal government as the arbiter.

    This path always ends in decadence, decline and decay.

  293. Even if we do not all agree.
    ——————————-
    Thank god for that. If we all agreed then we would be bots.

  294. Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
    by mrks » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:18 am

    looks like his second term is going to piss a bunch more people off..

    Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
    Posted on 11/20/2012

    Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
    Alan Korwin – Author Gun Laws Of America GunLaws.com
    Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

    Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

    Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

    Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
    M1 Carbine,
    Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
    AR-15,
    Bushmaster XM15,
    Armalite M15,
    AR-10,
    Thompson 1927,
    Thompson M1;
    AK,
    AKM,
    AKS,
    AK-47,
    AK-74,
    ARM,
    MAK90,
    NHM 90,
    NHM 91,
    SA 85,
    SA 93,
    VEPR;
    Olympic Arms PCR;
    AR70,
    Calico Liberty ,
    Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
    Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
    Calico M-110,
    MAC-10,
    MAC-11, or MPA3,
    Olympic Arms OA,
    TEC-9,
    TEC-DC9,
    TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
    Uzi.
    Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
    Armscor 30 BG,
    SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
    Striker 12,
    Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
    A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
    (ii) a threaded barrel,
    (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
    (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
    Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
    10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
    A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
    (i) a second pistol grip,
    (ii) a threaded barrel,
    (iii) a barrel shroud or
    (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
    (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
    A semiautomatic shotgun with:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
    (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
    (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
    (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
    Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
    Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

    Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

    The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

    Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

    Forward or send to every gun owner you know…
    Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
    YouTube – CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk

    A partial list of gun rights groups:

    Gun Owners of America
    http://gunowners.org/

    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.jpfo.org/

    FREEDOM=GUNS
    http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm

    National Rifle Association
    http://www.nra.org/

    Second Amendment Committee
    http://www.libertygunrights.com/

    Second Amendment Foundation
    http://www.saf.org/

    Second Amendment Sisters
    http://www.2asisters.org/

    Women Against Gun Control
    http://www.wagc.com/

  295. OBAMA BEGINS PUSH TO CONFISCATE IRA’S & 401K’S

    NOVEMBER 19, 2012 BY THE DOC 61 COMMENTS

    It may be time to take the tax hit and withdraw funds from private retirement accounts before they are forced into long term T-bonds.
    The Obama administration is reportedly quickly moving on plans to nationalize private 401k and IRA retirement accounts, and replace them with government sponsored annuities(aka Treasury bonds that the Treasury currently can’t sell to anyone but the Fed).
    National Seniors Council Director Robert Crone warns: “This whole issue is moving forward very quickly. Already there is a bill requiring all businesses to automatically enroll their employees in IRA plans in which part of every employee’s paycheck would be automatically deducted and deposited into this account. If this passes, the government will be just one step away from being able to confiscate all these retirement accounts.“

    All your retirement savings are belong to us:
    A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans, NSC is warning.
    The hearing, held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans.
    “This hearing was set up to explore why Americans are not saving as much for their retirement as they could,” explains National Seniors Council National Director Robert Crone, “However, it is clear that this is the first step towards a government takeover. It feels just like the beginning of the debate over health care and we all know how that ended up.”
    A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people. She demanded the Obama administration set up a “government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (the governments’ Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation).” She proclaimed that even “private annuities are problematic.”
    Such “reforms” would effectively end private retirement accounts in America, Crone warns. “These people want the government to require that ultimately all Americans buy these government annuities instead of saving or investing on their own. The Government could then take these trillions of dollars and redistribute it through this new national retirement system.”
    Deputy Treasury Secretary J. Mark Iwry, who presided over the hearing, is a long-time critic of 401k plans because he believes they benefit the rich. He also appears to be one of the Administration’s point man on this issue.
    “This whole issue is moving forward very quickly,” warns Crone. “Already there is a bill requiring all businesses to automatically enroll their employees in IRA plans in which part of every employee’s paycheck would be automatically deducted and deposited into this account. If this passes, the government will be just one step away from being able to confiscate all these retirement accounts.”
    Read more:
    Please realize that this is 100% about funding $1.5 TRILLION annual deficits using Americans’ retirement funds, as there is simply no other remaining pool of wealth able to soak up $1.5 Trillion in T-bills annually.
    If the US government was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would not be a grain of sand remaining in 6 months.
    Got PHYZZ??

    http://www.silverdoctors.com/obama-begins-push-to-confiscate-iras-401ks/

  296. Victor Davis Hanson makes the interesting point that today there are too many victims and not enough oppressors to make the little faux morality play work of the institutional left work. The wealthy, white, male, homophobic, sexist oppressors have left the seats of liberalism, and have taken their money with them, which serves to deplete the tax base and usher in bankruptcy. Coming out of bankruptcy, everyone will be poorer. They, will hate and distrust each other. But again they will be more equal. Just like in the old Soviet Union, where villagers would watch each other like hawks to make sure no one got a better deal than they did.

    http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2012/11/20/interview-vdh/

  297. pm 317

    Soros and his puppet.. I am sick of hearing all this. If there is any there there people should come forward and say it. If Petraeus thing is all a lie, why does he suffer the public humiliation? Like I said I am sick and tired of hearing all this stuff and believing in them. It is like the Ulsterman stories.

    wbboei, you often cut and paste other people’s stuff here without a link and attribution. I think you should say what your source is clearly and what is your own.
    —————————-

    When I am posting someone else’s work, I do post a link. If I do not, then it is a oversight, and it is a rare occurrence.

    When I talk about Soros, I rely on the research I did on him which culminated in a 10 chapter paper which I wrote in 2009. That paper had many links. I posted that paper right here on this blog. I do not think you were posting here then, then you can go back in the archives, go to Mrs. Smiths blog pumas unleashed where it was co posted, or dig it out of the ground like I did. If you give me an email address, I could send it to you.

    If you are complaining about the lack of links on the Benghazi story, then you need to know this information came to me second hand from a member of the intelligence community. It is not something I can post a link to, and the source is confidential. My objective is not to prove something, but to generate an awareness of what is happening, so they can see things in a more accurate context that what is given to them by the big media who you indicate you do not trust.

  298. I just commented in another thread – have no idea where. I thanked wbboei for his long outstanding service to us as well as his all who love the Republic of the United States of America. Then I threw in a link for lite reading:
    Twelve reasons why I voted Democratic
    http://thedailysentinel.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/article_c09009b0-2afa-11e2-9d5e-001a4bcf887a.html

    And then a lookback to what the original American pilgrims endured. It was written by commander at Fort Hood. Meant to inspire and encourage that we have plenty to be thankful for. I will try to keep it in mind myself, today.

  299. How did Obama’s dereliction of duty on 9/11 in Libya become the all consuming Susan Rice’s fairytale told on 5 talk shows?Is that why some Righties are upset with McCain adn Graham for beating that drum too much? The coverup is one thing but what were they covering up? Let us get back to the fundamentals here. Apparently WH will not release any pics of Obama and his team during Benghazi attacks. If we see them we will see them asleep at the switch.

  300. I hope the American Public understands what this cease fire arrangement was about. It was about getting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to assume control over the actions of Hamas, by conditioning a continuation of foreign aid to Egypt on that premise.

    This is such an inspired thought that it had to come out of Harvard.

    It has only one MINOR flaw to it: Iran controls Hamas—not Egypt. Iran is using Hamas as a proxy to harass Israel, and to keep it off balance. Obama provides the perfect pincer, where he conditions future aid to Israel on the same premise.

    Oh, yes, it has one other MINOR flaw, which somehow escaped the vigilant attention of the best and brightest–like Susan Rice, and Power: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11-26/news/30442772_1_muslim-brotherhood-mosque-jews.

    Trust not Obama. Trust not big media. Trust the reaction of the Israelis who are being killed by Hamas. 70% of them oppose this cease fire.

  301. BASIL99
    November 21st, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    ‘Why did he even bother “winning” another term??’

    Clearly, rgb, he wanted a hand in naming his successor and collecting the pass-go fee.

    His seat now, I believe, is allocated either by appointment or special election.
    &&&&&&

    Funny (funny odd, not funny “ha ha”),immediately after the election, everything changes. Petraeus now an adulterer who has to quit, Allen’s promotion held up (derailed?), and then Jackson Jr. saying, “Yo, thanks for re-electing me, but I just now realized, I’m not fit to serve. I guess my opponent and my critics weren’t all that wrong. But now I guess I’ll hand pick a successor”.

    Agreed, he ran just to keep the seat warm. Again, higher up powers moving around the chess pieces.

    All this post-election fall out seems to indicate that the media was propping up their desired candidates, and that the higher powers had to wait to make their makes.

    Kind of like buying a house, you just signed the final contract, and the seller says, “Oh, by the way, there’s a swamp under the house, termites in the basement, and evil ghosts roam the indian burial ground in the backyard.”

  302. WH WON’T RELEASE PHOTOS OF OBAMA TEAM DURING BENGHAZI ATTACK

    Today, the White House officially refused to release photos of US officials during the September 11 terrorist attacks on our consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that ended with the deaths of four Americans. CBS News requested the photos on October 31; the White House has routinely released photos showing members of the Obama administration in their hero poses during national security crises. That happened most famously with pictures of the Obama administration key players clustered into the White House situation room during the raid on Osama Bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan.
    The White House told CBS to ask the White House Photo Office; that office then delayed for nearly three weeks. Finally, the Office said they wouldn’t release any photos without the permission of the White House Press Office, which has been utterly unresponsive to this point. CBS News has also not been told any details about the Obama administration’s actions during the Benghazi events.
    So much for Obama’s pledged transparency, despite Obama’s words at his bloviating press conference of November 14, 2012:
    We have provided every bit of information that we have, and we will continue to provide information …. we will provide all the information that is available about what happened on that day.

    Right.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/21/White-House-refuses-to-release-Benghazi-photos

  303. ABM94! Hurrah!

    So glad to see you’re back! I was afraid you were ill and I’ve been praying for you!

    Wishing you and all here a lot to be thankful for. And you, ABM, are obviously one we are thankful for.
    Stay well, stay with us and God bless!

  304. ABM 94. we’re so glad that you are back! We need Hillary unconditional friends and supporters here! She needs us and we need her! God bless you all and HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all here! Welcome back ABM 94!

  305. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

    ABM94, I join all other posters in welcoming you back.

    I have much to be thankful for and have decided to work on my seriously sour attitude since the election. Time is short and there’s too much beauty in life to wast it on the pos.

    (I just can’t think of another appropriate name for the interloper).

  306. Happy Thanksgiving!

    Vcal – I’m going into passive mode to watch the trainwreck and taunt. Obviously the Repubs have a plan or they would not have surrendered the Presidential election so easily. Neither the Repubs or O have anything good planned for the working middle class or women. If HRC gives the word it would make my day.

  307. It all depends on the meaning of the word “truce”—or when is a truce nothing more than a respite from fighting which allows the aggressor to regroup, re arm and resume the attacks. It ain’t over til Iran says its over. And Iran is will not say it is over. The naivete of this administration is breathtaking. But only if you believe he is proceeding in the best interests of the United States. Not if you see that it is proceeding in the best interests of Soros.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/22/Understanding-What-Hamas-Means-by-Peace-Truce

  308. ‘Why did he even bother “winning” another term?

    because if he lost all the terrible thing he did would come out and he would have to spend the rest of his pathetic life in jail.

    it his bottom line…

  309. I’m also grateful for all the Big Pink gang that are still here. We all are angry about what we have been though over the past 5 years, but I couldn’t imagine going through this alone.

    Life is short and I hope others that just lurk will come back when they are ready.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all, and especially to Admin for giving us this shelter from the storm.

  310. Why is wsj treating Rove as if he speaks for the party. Normally, when someone self destructs like he did it, we do not listen to him anymore. He describes Christy as a rising star in the Republican Party. Christy is D.O.A. Anyone who thinks the grass roots will listen to that loud mouth prick, much less support him, needs to see a shrink. The Republican party has failed. And we must not rely on them to save the county. They are going the way of the Whig Party. We must find better alternatives.

  311. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! And stay safe out there shopping tomorrow. I just got back from the local Target–there were about 300 people in line. I waited 45 minutes to check out but got my $49 Nook. Crazy…

  312. REPUBLICAN ‘LEADERS’ HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT via WND
    Exclusive: Joseph Farah shares blueprint for ‘meaningful victory in 2014’

    The silver lining under the dark cloud of the Republican debacle of 2012 is that the so-called “leaders” have it all figured as to what went wrong.

    You can read all about it in their own words right here.

    These leaders – the same ones who selected Mitt Romney as the nominee of the party – believe success in the future means they need to be the ones to pick nominees for the Senate, rather than leaving that up to Republican voters.

    In other words, they still believe they lost the unloseable election to the most failed president in American history because of Todd Akin. Never mind the fact that they lost every Senate race where their chosen candidate got the nomination. They were just too hands off in 2012. They don’t plan to make that “mistake” again in 2014.

    Isn’t that good news?

    Even Sen. Jim DeMint, who has bucked the Republican establishment in the past by supporting upstart Marco Rubio, says he won’t do that in 2014 by getting involved in primary challenges against RINOs like Lindsey Graham and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    Thank goodness there’s at least one Republican senator who is skeptical about this planned micro-management of state primary races by the Washington establishment – Sen. Rand Paul, who won his 2010 primary race despite support for his opponent by McConnell.

    In other words, it seems the Republican establishment hasn’t figured out that it is the problem with the Republican Party. It’s hard to point the finger at oneself. Instead, it has learned all the wrong lessons from 2012.

    There are several people who have to go if the Republican Party is to reinvent itself in a way that will allow it to be more competitive in future elections: McConnell is one. John Boehner is another. And Karl Rove is the third member of the arrogant, self-interested triumvirate.

    McConnell and Boehner, for instance, are tripping over themselves to accommodate Barack Obama in his second term – offering up support for “comprehensive immigration reform,” a euphemism for amnesty for millions of illegal aliens who will vote Democratic in 2014 and 2016, raising the debt limit again to ensure Obamacare is funded and not even considering how this complicity will position the Republicans as a non-viable alternative to the Democrats in future elections.

    Not one of them has publicly acknowledged the role organized voter fraud played in the 2012 elections. They haven’t publicly challenged the campaign finance violations that played a role in the 2012 elections. They haven’t publicly recognized the obvious mistakes they all played themselves in clutching defeat from the jaws of victory in 2012.

    And I want you to notice how the Democrat-loving media cheerleaders are loving and applauding and encouraging every self-destructive move the Republican establishment is making in the aftermath of the election.

    The Republican leadership is busy writing the epitaph of its party rather than being introspective, thoughtful and applying the principle of self-examination about what went wrong.

    What’s the answer?

    It’s not throwing up our hands.

    It’s probably not forming a viable third party, though I wouldn’t be against it if there were enough money and organization to support it.

    It’s probably an organized grass-roots effort, like we saw in 2010, to take over the levers of power in the party badly in need of new ideas, new strategies and new courage and conviction.

    It’s time for conservatives to avert another disaster by getting to work right now.

    The Democrats are already at it.

    Now’s the time to stop licking wounds and start organizing for meaningful victory in 2014.

  313. May be Obama should give Morsi the lecture about democracy he gave Burma’s students and politicians. I dare him to be condescending to Morsi!

  314. Why would he do that, pm? He and Morsi are on the same side – the side of Islamic clerical fascism.

    When he lectures Burma (or any other country) on an open society, he really means a society open to Islamist takeover. That’s what he meant when he lectured Mubarek. Morsi is the result. It’s no accident.

  315. The people are unhappy with Morsi’s power grab. I don’t know if he expected such a reaction, but the next few hours should be interesting. Either he has to back down – which I doubt he will – or bring in the tanks to force his will on the crowd.

    Tens of thousands of pro-democracy activists meanwhile converged on Cairo’s Tahrir Square, angered at the decisions by Morsi.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/23/opponents-egypt-islamic-president-clash-with-backers-over-new-powers/

  316. On Foxnews tv, they just discussed with John Bolton that the administration asked Hillary to go on the Sunday talk shows and talk about the Benghazi attack (with the story of the movie trailer causing the attack)…. “Hillary refused so they whet down the line asking others until Rice agreed.”

  317. Dear mods,

    Is there any way you could see fit to realase my previous comment from your spam filter? It deals with Obama somewhat harshly, but I don’t see it as improper. Hopefully you’ll agree.

  318. I hope admin is all right. No word for many days.

    I know, after the election, you may be all tuckered out.

    But you understand our concern…

    Wishing your Thanksgiving was good, and that you are well rested.

  319. foxyladi14
    November 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    Hillary wouldn’t lie for him.
    ***************

    Sadly, She already has, many times

  320. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/74473/obama-and-hillary-get-snookered-by-egypts-morsi/#more-74473
    ———————-
    I do not blame Hillary. She was just following orders. I blame Obama. For him, this was never about democracy. It was about what Soros wants–namely a new business partner. The remarkable thing is this: when Soros crashes markets–as he did in Britain in 1992, and Asia in 1998, and when he overthrows governments as he did in Georgia (Rose Revoulution), Ukraine (the Orange Revolution, he does it with a specific purpose in mind–to loot that country. In the former Soviet Republics it was so he and his cabal could purchase state owned assets at bargain basement rates. And, as we saw in the Dean Plan, he took the very tactics he honed in the 1990s and used them to promote Obama, both times. The natural barriers to his Napoleonic schemes for world control are China and the Middle East. This was the point which the CIA guy I mentioned before said Obama’s vulnerability lies. He labors under the misapprehension that he can buy his way in and they will take the money. They will always take the money, but they will never give him access. Chinese intelligence has him under surveillance. He is old and one day he will die from natural causes. His sons are losers, and he has referred to Obama privately as a cheap date who lacks the mental horsepower to take over his worldwide charitable subversive operations around the world. I have heard that Putin, and–of all people Dinner Jacket are possible successors. Evidently, Dinner Jacket is not the mad loon that big media has painted him out to be, but a smart and ruthless sort. I am still wondering about that one.

  321. There is an old saying that the devil you know is better than the devil you get. If Soros is succeeded by either of those two, who are almost as bad as Obama, the merits of that old saying would be severely tested.

  322. The jackal is flush with victory, has control of the senate and the only chance of stopping him is in the House. But if he is stopped there, he will do this by executive decree. The tax burden will be severe as well. It does not take a rocket scientist to see where the jackal is heading. Now that he has taken over health care (20% of our economy), the retirement programs–public and private will be next.
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    http://www.nationalseniorscouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89:obama-begins-push-for-new-national-retirement-system&catid=34:social-security&Itemid=62

    Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System
    A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans, NSC is warning.

    The hearing, held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans.

    “This hearing was set up to explore why Americans are not saving as much for their retirement as they could,” explains National Seniors Council National Director Robert Crone, “However, it is clear that this is the first step towards a government takeover. It feels just like the beginning of the debate over health care and we all know how that ended up.”

    A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people. She demanded the Obama administration set up a “government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (the governments’ Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation).” She proclaimed that even “private annuities are problematic.”

    Such “reforms” would effectively end private retirement accounts in America, Crone warns. “These people want the government to require that ultimately all Americans buy these government annuities instead of saving or investing on their own. The Government could then take these trillions of dollars and redistribute it through this new national retirement system.”

    Deputy Treasury Secretary J. Mark Iwry, who presided over the hearing, is a long-time critic of 401k plans because he believes they benefit the rich. He also appears to be one of the Administration’s point man on this issue.

    “This whole issue is moving forward very quickly,” warns Crone. “Already there is a bill requiring all businesses to automatically enroll their employees in IRA plans in which part of every employee’s paycheck would be automatically deducted and deposited into this account. If this passes, the government will be just one step away from being able to confiscate all these retirement accounts.”

    NSC has taken the lead in warning the nation about this new government onslaught and is plotting ways to stop it.

    “This effort ultimately is designed to grab the retirement nest eggs of America’s senior citizens. This new government annuity scheme, even if it is at first optional, will turn into a giant effort to redistribute the wealth of America’s older citizens,” explains Crone. “This scheme mirrors what I expect the President will try to do with Social Security. He wants to turn that program into a welfare program, too.”

    NSC will likely unveil a new grassroots campaign effort later this year or early in January to coincide with the seating of the new Congress.

    (Originally posted 10/13/10)

    Now that Barack Obama has been reelected he’s going to push harder than ever to seize private retirement accounts. To sign NSC’s emergency petition against Obama’s new National Retirement System scheme, just click here.

  323. latest lamecherry.
    sorry lamecherry I edited out some of the more inflammatory language.
    your writings are sometimes too good to not share….

    bengaziGATE: Weapons of Destruction

    There is a reality in Chris Stevens which no one but this blog is going to address and that is what part did the Obama gay agenda have in his murder in sexual connections and political payback inside this regime?

    It was absolutely no secret that Chris Stevens was gay. Thee entire diplomatic corp of the world knew and those who would speak about it, were perplexed as to why Obama stationed an openly gay male inside Muslim nations where the very acts were a death sentence.

    Chris Stevens has a meteoric rise in the diplomatic corp starting with the Bush people. His premier station from the start was Israel and in the heat of situations, it was him that ended up in Libya.

    We know for a fact that Chris Stevens was briefing Sen. Inhofe of Oklahoma two weeks prior to what took place in Benghazi in meeting with this top Republican.
    We know for a fact that Chris Stevens was chosen especially to be sent into Benghazi to deal with another Barack Obama fiasco, in the recovering of piles of sophisticated munitions which Mr. Obama supplied to the terrorists.

    When this blog stated it was Obama hired mercenaries who oversaw the mass murder of the Khadaffi group, that is exactly what took place last year. This was not an act of natural selection but select assassination carried out by the Obama regime in a mass murder. This was not the natural law of nature, but the nature of the outlaw of Mr. Obama.

    That is what Chris Stevens walked into with three other Americans. They were told that this was a negotiation for weapons to keep the Obama regime from being embarrassed and implicated in handing sophisticated weapons into terrorists hands, which were starting to be negotiated with assassinate competitors around the globe.
    It is why this blog first reported that CIA Director David Patraeus lied to Congress about the smart mortar which murdered two people at the US Embassy ending the rampage there at 4 AM, because this is what this entire cast in trying to steal Libyan oil and hand Libya over to the Muslim Brohood had been engaged in, the literal arming of terrorists in Libya.

    It connects into Turkeygate, which was exposed here first in Obama has been running money and arms covertly through Islamic Turkey into Egypt and now having given Stinger missiles to terrorists in Syria.

    The Obama regime has been nothing but a conduit of drug trade, weapons, money and land to terrorists in quid pro quo for four years.

    Chris Stevens was supposed to be taken hostage by the “negotiators”, who Mr. Obama was going to blame on the Khadaffi loyalists who have been negotiated with by the Libyan government.
    The SEALS were never to survive in being the rift between Christian America in the release of the Obama covert produced tape about Islam to intimidate Christians from voting for Romney. This was the rift Obama sought to create and exploit for the election theft in 2012.

    Stevens with the video cameras which were provided along with the chanting Muslim teenagers protesting this movie in ENGLISH, were to be the feeds to cable news setting the stage for all of this.
    You missed that did you not children in these terrorists had these cameras to record all of this for the world to see, all from the Obama campaign.

    B. Hussein honestly thought the operation was successful at first, but then he was afforded through his Muslim back channel, that if Mr. Obama attempted to intervene, his entire hostage taking campaign along with the weapons he had supplied terrorists would be put on display.
    That is why the terrorists blew the Embassy apart with that precision guided mortar, as it was given to them by Obama.

    It was the smoking mortar, and all B. Hussein could do was continue on his campaign talking points as that is all he had to cover up with.

    There is the question in this, in just how much of the Karl Rove puffy lips and Barack Obama puffy cheeks lifestyle had in promoting Chris Stevens to a situation he had no diplomatic business in.
    These terrorists knew exactly that Stevens was gay, and that is why they raped him. That kind of information does not come from Afghanistan, but is fed directly by the diplomatic corp.

    Anderson Cooper by his reaction at CNN points to he knew Chris Stevens was gay. Cooper in his teabagger lines smearing the Tea Party with Barack Hussein Obama using that exact word, means the talking point was bandied about among the Obama corp as their personal joke.

    Anderson Cooper outing Obama on CNN over the murder of Chris Stevens.

    Was one of the reasons Barack Hussein Obama was covering up what took place with Chris Stevens in Benghazi, was the same cover up with Donald Young and Lawrence Sinclair in Chicago, in Barack Obama was hiding a more intimate detail.?

    Why is it in the reason Chris Stevens was in Libya on that staged night, that not one connection has been made in his visiting the White House, DOD, CIA headquarters in briefings on getting those weapons back Mr. Obama supplied his Libyan terrorists?
    For those who do not know of such ventures, no Ambassador is going to not be briefed and coordinated directly with out of 1600 Penn Avenue, when it is a White House operation overthowing Khadaffi and it involves illegal arms transfers to terrorists, and the mission is how to cover up that crime.

    Chris Stevens met with more than Hillary Clinton on this, as he would need to know exact weaponry to be inquired about, and he would need a direct affirmation from the Oval Office, because if he was ever outed or caught working deals to acquire weapons from terrorists on his own, he would be indicted as this arms trade just like Iran Contra would blow back directly to those who started it at the White House.

    Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, David Patraeus or Chris Stevens can not hand out weapons to terrorists. That comes from one person and that person is Barack Hussein Obama, as he has been doing for years.

    That is the reality in this, and the question asked exclusively now in this Lame Cherry blog in matter and anti matter is………..

    Just what kind of relationship did Chris Stevens and Barack Obama have, and what part did it have in his advancement in Libya, and what part did it have in the cover up of these four American’s murders?

    That is the question which must not be asked alone, but answers demanded of it.

  324. This gives me hope. Some young people in France understand the destructive nature of political correctness, grasp the negative impact on their young lives and vow to fight it. This is one French fad I hope will spread to the U.S.

    //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8SLNMIBlM

    We are Generation Identitaire.
    We are the generation who get killed for glancing at the wrong person,
    for refusing someone a cigarette, |or having an “attitude” that annoys someone.
    We are the generation of ethnic fracture,
    total failure of coexistence,| and forced mixing of the races.
    We are the generation doubly punished:| Condemned to pay into a social system
    so generous with strangers it becomes| unsustainable for our own people.
    Our generation are the victims of the May ’68′ers| who wanted to liberate themselves
    from tradition, from knowledge and authority in education.
    But they only accomplished to| liberate themselves from their responsibilities.
    We reject your history books to re-gather our memories.
    We no longer believe that „Khader” could ever be our brother,
    we have stopped believing in a „Global Village” and the „Family of Man”.
    We discovered that we have roots, |ancestry and therefore a future.
    Our heritage is our land, our blood, our identity. | We are the heirs to our own future
    We turned off the TV to march the streets.
    We painted our slogans on the walls. Cried through loudspeakers
    for “youth in power” and flew our Lambda flags high.
    The Lambda, painted on proud Spartans’ shields, is our symbol.
    Don’t you understand what this means ? |We will not back down, we will not give in.
    We are sick and tired of your cowardice.
    You are from the years of post-war prosperity, retirement benefits, S.O.S Racism and
    „diversity”, sexual liberation and a bag of rice from Bernard Kouchner.
    We are 25 percent unemployment, social debt, multicultural collapse
    and an explosion of anti-white racism.
    We are broken families, and young French soldiers dying in Afghanistan.
    You won’t buy us with a condescending look,
    a state-paid job of misery and a pat on the shoulder.
    We don’t need your youth-policies. Youth IS our policy.
    Don’t think this is simply a manifesto. It is a declaration of war.
    You are of yesterday, we are of tomorrow.
    We are Generation Identitaire

  325. BASIL99: “…We turned off the TV to march the streets….”

    If this is true, then there is indeed hope.

    In fact, TV viewership has been declining in France for more than 20 years.

  326. Condolances to the family of Larry Hagman who passed away yesterday. JR Ewing, you will always be one of my all time TV favorites…such sad news…

  327. wbboei: Who exactly is “Dinner Jacket”. I’ve missed out on that one…
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    The leader of the Iran.

    Yes, the wack job big media has told us about.

    But here is the rub: he is a calculated wack job. Just look at how he has managed to rub Obama’s nose in the dirt.

    If you spend your career in negotiations, then you learn things–either the easy way or the hard way.

    The first thing you learn is to differentiate between style and substance. In other words, even though your adversary is likable, that too is a tactic. You must look beyond his personal style, to the agenda he is pressing on you, how detrimental it is to your interests, and how persistent he is. That is the bottom line. (Note: if the American People had the ability to do just that, or if we had an honest media in this country, which manifestly we do not, then they never would have elected Obama. His agenda is toxic to the American People. It is the agenda of a former Nazi collaborator–George Soros).

    The second thing you must do is decide whether the issue is negotiable. From the Israeli standpoint, the Iranian demand of death to Israel, is non-negotiable. In other words, there is no trade-off, no package, no compromise position which would meet the Israeli needs in negotiation. If Israel were to lower its guard and negotiate on that premise, then the best it could hope for would be a Chamberlain type deal which would only postpone the inevitable. I can imagine an Obama offering sanctuary to Israelis in this country to mollify his fellow Muslims, but the religious convictions which are infinitely stronger among Israelis than in most Jews in the United States, as evidenced by their steadfast support for Obama would preclude such a deal.

    The third thing you must do is understand the nature of the issue you are dealing with. Some issues lend themselves to compromise, trade-off, and packaging. The net effect is both sides win. Liberals believe all negotiations can be handled this way–and the trade-off they favor is paying the other side money to concede their position. That is an altogether naive position, and you are seeing it now in the middle east. Why? Because there is nothing that the leadership of Iran wants from the United States. We cannot buy them off with money. Their goal is to be the dominant player in the Middle East, and to push western interests out of the region. Their strategy is to buy time until they can build the bomb, and to rely on their de facto partner, Obama, to lean on Israel not to retaliate. If you performed due diligence on the donors who contributed to the Obama campaign, you could be certain that some of that money came from Iran.

    The fourth thing you need to do is examine the tactics of the other side. If they are playing the role of bully one ought not to succumb, because that merely enforces the tactic. Unfortunately, with his apology tour and such, Obama has created a powerful incentive for third world dictators to challenge the power of the United States, and the entire system of international law is now in jeopardy. Our adversaries then adopt a position of calculated unreasonableness. And that tactic works very well–in merger negotiations, in labor relations, and in international diplomacy, right up to the point that they other side becomes emotional and walks out. Connoisseurs of calculated unreasonableness, develop a keen sense of when the bubble is about to burst and they pull back. If they do not, then the gains they have achieved in negotiation up to that point turn to dust, and there will be no agreement. Obama, unfortunately, is incapable of mustering the kind of push back needed to protect vital United States interests, therefore, our power erodes by the day.

    I fell into the big media trap of seeing him as half nuts. But there in any negotiation, there are those wposition of calculated unreasonableness, and press their advantage. Whether it is a buy-out situation, a labor negotiation, or any other exercise that involves a clash of competing interests–distributive bargaining, i.e. more for me means less for you–the zero sum dynamic, as opposed to integrative bargaining, i.e. trade-offs, so both parties come out ahead, this is a game winning tactic, with too provisos: first, if the aggressive bargainer pushes that advantage to the point that he engenders an emotional reaction then its game off, and things tend to collapse. Therefore of this tactic develop a sixth sense of when they have pushed things too far and pull back at that point, or set a trap. Second,

  328. AmericanGal
    November 24th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Condolances to the family of Larry Hagman who passed away yesterday. JR Ewing, you will always be one of my all time TV favorites…such sad news…
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    Mine too He was sick for awhile but i had hoped he would get better.Prayers for the Family.

  329. The people who voted for Obama, voted for the nationalization of our health care program, and our retirement programs.

    Romney and Ryan wanted to preserve social security and 401 (k) programs. Obama wants to liquidate both and put those trillions into a government retirement program which invests in T-Bills. (See my posting at 3:36 above.)

    The advantage to Democrats is obvious. First, this will give then trillions of dollars to spend as they please. They already have a past history of borrowing from social security–now they plan to confiscate it. This would give them a huge cash reserve to continue their prolifigate spending. Second, it will give them a hedge when China stops buying our T-Bills, which could otherwise put a damper on spending. Third, it will save poorly negotiated, poorly managed Taft Hartely Pension Plans, which have accrued trillions in unfunded liability as a result of generous benefits, under-performing investments and a decline in participating employer contributors. That is the next big Obama payoff to the Teamsters and SEIU—using taxpayer monies to bail them out.

    From the standpoint of a productive taxpayer, this is a losing proposition. First, he will lose control of his/her investement. Second, he will lose a higher rate of return. Third, he will be forced to subsidize bad behavior by politicians when it comes to spending and paying off cronies–the moral hazard. Fourth, it will unjustly enrich union members, as we saw with GM/Delfi, where Obama used our money to bail out union members, but not their non-union counterparts.

    I do not know what you think about this, as someone who will be footing the bill for all this. The skids are already being greased. The press will browbeat the Republicans into submission, like they always do. And then, guess what? National health care last term. National retirement program this term. And all that you lose is your freedom, your net wealth and your security all for the greater glory of Obama. To me it seems like a high price to pay for electing someone whose only claim to fame is being cool in the eyes of the ignoranti. But then again, what do I know.

    Ours not to make reply
    Ours not to reason why
    Ours but to do and die.
    All into the Valley of Death
    Rode the 600.

  330. It is fitting and proper that CNN is now attacking Red State blog, accusing them of being in a state of anger and despair over the recent election result. The reason it is fitting and proper is because the target of their condescension is Erickson, who draws a paycheck from CNN. Furthermore, Erickson was took the position that the Fraud won the election fair and square, and admonished anyone on his blog to contend otherwise. In doing so, he turned a blind eye to the voting machine problems in Ohio, and the fact that in the county in which Cleveland is located, 126% of the eligible voters cast ballots. He was more interested in lashing out at establishment republicans, but part of his motive, I suspect, was to keep faith with CNN, which is a propaganda ministry. The position I take on the election is I do not accept the results as legitimate, and I cannot accept the fiction that Obama won fair and square. On the contrary, from his acceptance of foreign donations, to his vilification of his opponent, to his failure to defend his record, to his failure to reveal his plans for a second term, to his unholy alliance with big media whores like CNN, to his opposition to voter ID laws, to his political payoffs to Hispanics and corrupt business interests, to his cover-up on Benghazi, to his invocation of executive privilege, on fast and furious, no one can honestly say he is a legitimate leader. And the results–massive unemployment and policy melt down are obvious to anyone with sound judgement.

  331. I still say, the way to flush out the quail is to propose elimination of the Reagan tax cuts. Do that and you will see how quickly the upper class loses their stiff upper lip, quakes with anger and starts to bail on the Fraud.

  332. Speaking at The David Horowitz Freedom Center’s “Restoration Weekend” in Florida on November 16, Pat Caddell indicted what he called the Republican “consultant-lobbyist-establishment” complex for losing a presidential campaign in 2012 President Barack Obama had no business winning.
    “No presidential campaign should be run by consultants,” Caddell said. “They should be run by people who are committed to the candidate and not into making big money.”
    Caddell, the former Jimmy Carter adviser who consulted on the “Hope and the Change” movie that profiled disaffected Obama 2008 voters who were not going to vote for him in 2012, warned Republicans that the consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex may threaten to take the party into oblivion if not marginalized.
    The Romney campaign, Caddell said, was driven be establishment consultants and was a failure of mechanics and message.
    “But most of all, it was a failure of imagination,” Caddell said. ““It was the single worst campaign in modern history of a challenger who had a chance to win … and that’s the truth and nothing can take away from that.”
    Caddell said “Republicans never attempted to put a frame around the national election” because “the people who run the messaging in the Republican party and their consultants refused to do it.”
    As a result, Rommey lost decisively to voters who voted for the candidate who “cares about me,” which was more than 20% of the electorate. Many of these voters are Reagan Democrats and independents.
    “You have to have some connection to the people,” Caddell said, noting Romney lost the “empathy vote” by 65 percentage points to Obama.
    Caddell said the Republican establishment thought, “We don’t have to do anything, [Obama] will be defeated because of the economy.”
    He said Republicans believed the “numbers” told them they would win the election, and that is why many in the establishment and consultant class thought they could win by default by “holding the ball” and running out the clock. As a result, Caddell said the party neither controls the presidency nor the Senate after having played so unimaginatively and cautiously in 2012.
    Caddell blasted the Romney campaign’s strategy of not running positive biographical ads about Romney until the convention. He said he was puzzled the Romney campaign did not play up Romney’s success in managing the Winter Olympics, which the Obama campaign even admitted was a winning issue.
    More shockingly, Caddell said the Romney campaign made no effort to run positive spots about Bain Capital, even after Ted Kennedy’s campaign had already eviscerated Romney over Bain during the Senate campaign two decades ago. Letting the Obama campaign define Romney again was, he said, campaign malpractice.
    Caddell asked: “Don’t you think you would want to say something positive about Bain?”
    Caddell also wondered why Romney, who spent nearly $50 million of his own money in losing the 2008 GOP presidential primary, did not loan his campaign a similar amount of money in the spring so his campaign could more positively define him to voters.
    He then brutally told donors in the audience that the Republican consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex took millions of dollars from them to only enrich themselves without having any meaningful impact on the election.
    “You donors and others were played for marks by groups like [Karl Rove’s American] Crossroads,” Caddell said, noting that establishment super PACs cared more about “preserving arrangements in the media.”
    Too often, Caddell said the Republican consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex ignores anything that could be effective if it does not allow them to profit.
    For instance, even though a Frank Luntz focus group found that the “Hope and the Change” movie was the most effective way for Republicans to appeal to independent voters, Caddell accused the Republican “consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex” of not utilizing the film because “that communication didn’t fit” in their conventional plans to make the consultant class wealthy.
    Caddell said Republicans have to go away from a bureaucratic, top-down approach to messaging and outreach and be more imaginative in the future if they do not want to go the way of the Whigs. He said Republicans have been so poor on combating narratives and framing their own messages that minorities — like Asians — voted overwhelmingly for Obama despite sharing conservative values because they think Republicans “do not care about minorities.”
    He said the Republican party needed to be more imaginative — like promoting education reform against teachers unions as the new battle for civil rights and running against corruption in Washington, which a Breitbart News/Judicial Watch Election Night poll found 85% of voters were concerned about.
    “Why are Republicans not the anti-establishment party?,” Caddell asked.
    Caddell emphasized a “narrative is a story” that comes over a period of time and “not just a single message.”
    He cited Ronald Reagan as someone who knew how to speak to Democrats and “ordinary and common” Americans and bring them over to his side because Reagan had been one of them and came from regular Americans and shared their experiences.
    “That is a quality that has been missing a long time in a search for alternative candidate,” Caddell said, in reference to Reagan’s ability to resonate with blue collar Americans.
    In contrast, Caddell compared Romney to the “man on the wedding cake” and Thomas Dewey in 1948, who lost to Harry Truman in an election nobody thought Truman could win. Obama, Caddell said, turned “hope and change” into “divide and conquer” and activated his liberal base just like Truman energized the New Deal coalition in 1948.
    Caddell said Republicans played into Obama’s strategy because they continued to believe they could win by default and did not aggressively confront Obama and his machine. For instance, even after the first debate in which Romney thumped Obama, Caddell said Republicans tried to run out the clock. They advised Romney not to challenge Obama on Libya, which Caddell said was as much of a transparency and honesty issue as a foreign policy issue.
    As a result, the media was able to protect Obama and go on the offensive against Romney for most of the campaign.
    Caddell again called the media the “enemy of the people” for wanting to protect Obama instead of trying to uncover the truth about Benghazi, and told Republicans if they do not confront the mainstream media like the Romney campaign failed to do, “they will continue to kill you.”
    Caddell said those in the Republican consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex “do not want to hear any views from outsiders” because it threatens their racket. Caddell said this mentality will just result in more Republican losses unless this Republican consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex is eviscerated.
    “As long as the establishment wants to preserve the establishment and their special deals, you will lose,” Caddell said.

  333. Caddell also wondered why Romney, who spent nearly $50 million of his own money in losing the 2008 GOP presidential primary, did not loan his campaign a similar amount of money in the spring so his campaign could more positively define him to voters.
    He then brutally told donors in the audience that the Republican consultant-lobbyist-establishment complex took millions of dollars from them to only enrich themselves without having any meaningful impact on the election.
    “You donors and others were played for marks by groups like [Karl Rove’s American] Crossroads,” Caddell said, noting that establishment super PACs cared more about “preserving arrangements in the media.”
    ——————
    Truth comes like a bastard into the world, bringing ill fame to him that wrought her.—John Milton. The question I have is how do you put this Humpty Dumpty together again. Between the elite establishment Republicans and the Grass Roots there are . . . how shall I put it . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . irreconcilable differences. The consultant class has got to go. But who’s to do it?

  334. There is another Hillary hater that I cannot stand Former amb John Bolton.He wanted the SOS job and was passed over by BO and now is Bolton the brown nosed has been.From white house to out house

  335. We have had two great presidents in this century. One was Roosevelt and the other was Kennedy. Both were democrats, both had a working sense of the general welfare, and both of them were leaders–not front men.

    Professor Kathleen Kelly at USC Business School, a Hillary supporter, has written two books on the subject of the golden handshake–the tactical moves that allow an aspiring business person to not only succeed in business by trying, but to move into the inner circle, where the sign above the door reads visitors not welcome.

    In one of her books, she embraces the view that there are no great leaders any more. And although I dispute that premise, partly because I think it is wrong, and partly because I do not believe it is true, and I wrote a book to disprove it. But too often, indeed in most mediocre organizations it is demonstrably true.

    What we have in these organization is front men, salesmen–promoters if you will. They deal in hail fellow well met, and they are carefully scripted by their handlers. Their knowledge of the company and what it does is a mile wide and six inches deep. So they surround themselves with people who do their thinking for them. At best they lay out a broad vision, and leave it to others to fill in the blanks.

    Reagan and Obama were/are of that ilk. Front men–not leaders. (Note: I do want to be clear on one think: Reagan was a compassionate man, a good man, whereas Obama is a bad man of the type who has appeared often throughout history, the one Nietsche spoke of–the bad man. Ethically speaking Obama and Reagan are different as night or day.)

    What made John Kennedy a great leader was a love for this country, a refusal to be seduced by baubles (the way Obama is forever seduced by baubles–his own helicopter, the mansion in Hawaii–that kind of crap–for which he will sell his soul to the highest bidder) of power. In addition, when his father was Ambassador to England, he personally witnessed the sequence of events which led to World War II–which made him wise beyond his years. Finally, Kennedy acted with courage and purpose for the good of the country, whereas Obama is a hollow shell of a man, who serves only himself, and his godfather Soros.

    The Kennedy family was an interesting incubator for great leaders and great failures. The three oldest–Joe the serious one, John the universal man, and their sister Kathleen–Kick was her nickname. Those three were were a team, and within the family, they were the ones the stars fell on. Tragically, Joe was killed in World War II, Kick died in an accident with her fiancee–a Protestant, which left only John. We will never know the real Bobby, because he was killed at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, as he began a campaign for President. Ted was an alcoholic who destroyed his wife, filandered, killed a young woman companion at Chapaquidic. Ironically, he was the one left to carry on the Kennedy name, in that generation and he was a failure as a family leader and as a human being. He was the antithesis of his older brother John.

    Jackie Kennedy (nee Bouvier) was a fashion plate, and a very cold blooded woman. She used wealth and power to control people. When Jack was assassinated her true colors came out. She told James “Scotty” Reston of the New York Times: why did the assassin have to be some dirty little commie bastard? Why could it not have been some white southerner? She was the one who claimed the civil rights banner for the Kennedy family, even though John himself had been less of a stark enthusiast. But Teddy seized that mantle, which is why he came unglued when Hillary credited LBJ rather than his family for passing the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    Jackie also was very tough on her son John Jr. What the world remembers about him was the salute as the horse drawn hearse passed by–which Jackie made him practice, and when he grew up and wanted to pursue a life in the arts, she refused to have it. He had to enter law, eventually politics and keep the torch burning for the family. That was very tough on him. The woman he married was no prize, and Jackie made sure her father was drunk the day of the wedding so her husband could accompany her down the aisle. Most of this was kept hidden by Judge Rivkin and others.

    Caroline has most of her mothers traits. People surmised that she would emerge as the leader of that generation by that was not to happen. He ill fated attempt to grab the Senate seat vacated by Hillary proved to be her gotterdamerung. She is married, but her marital vows have been honored more in the breach than in the observance. He lengthy liason with that yound Arthur Saltzberg scion of the New York Times, is one of many. She lacks the glamour of her father and the cunning of her mother. If it were not for her money, she would be nowhere–or as Hogan said about Billy Casper–if he could not putt he would be selling hot dogs outside the ropes.

  336. Obamacare Meets Reality. Reality Wins.
    Another Adventure In Cargo Cult Economics

    By: streiff (Diary) | November 24th, 2012 at 06:01 PM

    For years the Democrat party has derided the GOP’s view of economics. Our view, essentially, is that your money is yours, not the government’s, and the decisions you make on how to spend it will inevitably be more lucid than anything the government comes up with. The corollary to this is that income redistribution is nothing more or less than theft which characterizes garden variety covetousness as fairness. They call this “trickle down” economics.

    The Democrats have their own operating principle: Cargo cult economics. It has many facets but the basis idea is that if the government creates something that is associated with a vibrant middle class then a vibrant middle class will spring from that program as inevitably as Athena sprang from the forehead of Zeus.

    Though the term has been around for a while, I first encountered it while riding with a good friend through a dystopic steel town outside Pittsburgh where right in the middle of boarded up store fronts some governmental agency had plopped down an “arts center.” The idea being that somehow funding an arts center in a mostly deserted downtown would revive the downtown area because affluent downtowns all have arts centers.

    Over the past months, we’ve chronicled the Obama regime’s slavish devotion to cargo cult economics (here | here | here | here | here | here). Now the slow motion implementation of Obamacare is giving us a rich laboratory for observing cargo cult economics in full flower.

    What Obamacare has done is create a series of perverse incentives that encourage businesses to stop providing health insurance. As a business you have the choice of providing a rather gaudy health care plan to your employees or paying a tax. I say gaudy because the the basic requirements of the package, providing enough birth control pills to satisfy Sandra Fluke’s appetites, for instance, adds cost on to the plan. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to believe the health care plan provided by your employer is not YOUR health plan, it is your employer’s.

    So by paying a tax, a business can avoid the human resources head ache of managing a health plan and reduce costs. What option do you think many businesses will choose.

    But wait there is more.

    An employer only has to provide a health plan for full time employees. There is no penalty for not providing health coverage to part-time workers. And there are no penalties if you employ fewer than 50 persons (by person I mean full-time equivalents: if you have part time workers and your average number of hours worked exceed 50 x 120 (4 weeks x 30hr/week). You can read more on the nuances of calculating what is a full time equivalent worker courtesy of RedState member jayp.

    Faced with the prospect of paying as much as $40,000/year some employers are reducing both full time positions and total number of employees.

    Companies as diverse as Papa John’s, St Jude’s Hospital, and Murray Energy have all announced layoffs that are linked to Obamacare.

    What Obamacare has done in the name of providing universal health care is to make it advantageous to employers to provide no health care whatsoever. This isn’t necessarily bad, in my view one of the major shortfalls of our current system is that the policy is owned by the employer rather than the employee, but what is bad is when such a sea change occurs when the actual operational concept was to expand the scope of coverage provided by employers.

    By gold plating the minimum policy, employers are encouraged to carry no policy at all. To avoid the fines associated with not providing coverage employers have an incentive to reduce a vast majority of employees to working less than 30 hours per week. If you are a waiter, your employer now has an incentive to reduce your tip income to avoid health care costs:

    Bob McAdam, Spokesperson for Darden, parent company of Olive Garden and Red Lobster restaurants, stated that they were still in a test stage back in October. The company had made plans to reduce hours and require tip-sharing from waitstaff to the remainder of employees, which would eliminate the owners from having to provide tip-credit*. (*A set hourly pay amount for waitstaff established by the local government and is divided into two parts. If the waiter doesn’t earn tips then they receive the whole amount of both parts. If the waiter does receive tips then they only receive half of the hourly amount.)

    On the subject of employers wanting to reduce the incomes of waitstaff for his own benefit, it certainly isn’t going to encourage staff members to purchase food at his restaurant.

    One issue that concerns career waiters is that they choose the field because they can earn up to $200 per day in tips, having to share their income with remaining employees reduces their own income.

    When is a waiter responsible for paying for the wages of his co-workers? For that matter why is the paying consumer responsible for paying for the wages of a business above and beyond the price of his meal? The tip has always been a gratuity, a thank you, an appreciation, not meant as a subsidy for business owners to underpay their employees.

    Since the government assumes that the waiter is earning at least 8 percent in tips figured on his gross sales for the day; reporting less could trigger audits.

    In the view of Obama and his minions companies are in business to provide free stuff to their employees (so his view on economics parallels his view on governance) and since a vibrant middle class has health care provided by their employer if the government merely mandated this to happen we would suddenly be prosperous.

    Now the demographic Obamacare sought to help is finding itself not only without health coverage, it is also required to work two jobs to make ends meet. Well played, President Obama.

  337. What Obamacare has done is create a series of perverse incentives that encourage businesses to stop providing health insurance. And as you can see above, it has also created an incentive to not hire. And, as you can see to reduce fulltime employees to parttime status. And to drive doctors out of the profession creating a health care crisis. And to drive employee cost up through the roof. But stay tuned. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

    There is nothing new under the sun. This kind of centralized control has been tried before. And the results follow as day follows night. The pie does not expand–it contracts, and people are left to fight over scraps with arbitrary government left to decide who gets a job and who does not, who eats and who doesn’t, who lives and who dies.

    What happens then is a vibrant black market develops. And none of THAT money goes to the federal government. You would think we have learned some lessons from the forced collectivization schemes of the Soviet Union in the 1920s which they then sought to reverse through Lenin’s New Economic Policy. Or even the Volstead Act. But naye naye naye. The cargo cult mentality prevails in the democrat party. Not at all the party of JFK. He was a capitalist and believed that all boats rose with the tide. Obama is a socialist, and he is determined to ensure that all boats sink together in perfect Wagnerian Glory.

    This is perfectly in keeping with the Soros Plan. Obama is simply his tool.

  338. lamecherry:

    SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2012
    The Obama Five

    That 5% firing of Americans due to Obamacare is an interesting number no one has bothered to explain, because these Obama corporations all knew exactly the costs of Obamacare to the American economy, because across the board it is that 5% figure.

    That is an amazing amount really, as 5% of a company accounts for more than 5% of their production wealth. It literally means that Barack Obama is that 5% salaried employee now in every business, corporation and conglomerate across America.
    For a company making 1 billion in revenues, that means Obama is the 200 million dollar executive.
    For a company doing 3 million dollars in business a year, which numbers of supermarkets run, that means Mr. Obama is the 150,000 stock boy.

    That number starts adding up really, as people who really work for a living, can comprehend that in their 20,000 dollar a year job before withholding, that Obama in his mandates is the affirmative action guy getting 130,000 dollars a year more in not showing up for work.

    You do not get this 5% as if a company is paying 5% in cuts to keep others working for Obamacare costs, it would mean the remaining employees are going to be taken from them a matching 5% from their wages.
    For someone in the real world that would be 5% of the minimum wage of 20,000 or another 1000 dollars per year, for something they are already paying thousands of dollars more already in insurance costs.

    So you understand this my children, that 5% is really 10%, and in this Obama second election theft it means literally, not just a 10% in costs, but in a new Carteresque misery index, what Obamacare is going to do to the American Super Depression Economy is it is both going to inflate prices 10% in costs and it is going to strangle that 10% out of the economy in a combined effect of costs and people who do not have that money to spend on things to drive the economy.

    Lame Cherry would define this as the OBAMA INDEX, which is a misery index of Jimmy Carter, with an added effect of a new massive constriction of the economy.

    In projection, this 10% really evolves into a monster of combined effect of multiplied effects in being a 20% factor in the American economy. If one wants to see the real effects, the London Model of the rich being treated and poor left to die, as the British economy always is lagging in having absolutely no effective way to fund defense or public projects, that is what America will become.
    It is why Obama is already cutting the National Defense, as Britain could not float it’s nuclear submarines either.

    The combined effect is remarkable as the debt increases as more people are out of work and on welfare. Business will not hire as they have 10% of their profits already siphoned off from Obamacare. Factoring in the reality of businesses will raise prices by at least 5% on products produced, it begins an additional cycle of inflation as this progresses out.

    America under Obama was running an approximate 11% rate which was ruining the American economy in strangulation. The Obama numbers now are a reality in, if the work force was 70 million souls. 5% of them are now being vaporized before the Christmas season, meaning 3.5 million people have just lost their jobs, and will not be spending money, but instead going on welfare.
    The job structure will not gain workers as the Obama economy is one where China will out produce for market the American structures in this massive throttling. As much as London was a factor in this example model, what America is going to be a mirror image of is, Japan in an aging workforce, a constriction of decades long depression and an imported work for indigenous, in their case being Korean and in America it will be Mexican.

    Look to the evidence oil companies have provided in fuel was in the 3.80 cent range and dropped to a 3.45 range. The percentages are there as the oil barons realize the economy is on a revolutionary trend, meaning anarchy and in order to do business and keep the majority of people still from revolting their price drop reflected that.

    As a Lame Cherry exclusive in matter anti matter, the reality is this, that no one has ever factored in the model in public of just what is the average in percentiles of what a strangled economy before riots in the streets break out.
    Now it is plain why the Obama regime was buying a billion rounds of 40 caliber ammunition. It was to keep the government employees on the job sacrifcing people, and it was to expend ammunition in the event this reaches break point.

    These are now the new definitions in the Obama Index and the Riot Scale. America should be economically raped by B. Hussein Obama at approximately the plus 23% inflation rate with unemployment exceeding that 23% rate which is the reality it stood at.

    The feudal powers will attempt to deflate oil prices and the suspected food prices to hide this index, but it will rise as costs mount, and Bernanke and Obama keep printing money in this house of cards.

    *note did you notice that Susan Rice’s nose seemed to grow after in her lying about BenghaziGATE.
    Benghazi
    This is the American reality as the corpse decomposes in the Obama Abyss. That is the model which has been set in motion. It will now be a Banana Republic boat of money for a taco as the rich dons sit around doing nothing.

    The model spirals out to over 100% consumption of the economy, because this is a massive tax structure at loanshark rates. Each person in America has a new ward at their place of work and their homes, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama, costing each person over 20% more of what they have.

    This is the future in this economic invasion as that is exactly what this is akin to, in a nation invaded by an enemy army which is destroy the societal foundations and nothing replacing it. This is going to be worse than even the numbers can project out.

    nuff said

  339. AmericaTheBeautiful
    November 25, 2012 at 2:29 am
    Yes agree Ebysan , UM has been most generous….his passion, like that of the High Kings of Ireland, as Teddy Roosevelt once remarked, the Irish and their righteous will to fight will save the United States of America.

    Whistleblower, yes we’ve posted and discussed this story in the last years…Think the term Kabuki was first used at UM to describe the Obama administration as KABUKI….

    … the REAL story about Comey and his hand in appointing Fitz, taking down Libbey to get to Cheney and Bush in his thrust to dismantle executive power for Bush and usher in Obama, coordinated by the traitor Colin Powell with his hand orchestrating same…outrageous interference coupled with the CIA’s agenda…and the Why of Lockheed’s CEO resigning the same day Petraeus did…for the exact same bogus reason …should create real interest in those not brain dead..

    To connect the dots to the illegal missile running that took place out of Benghazi and our Arms Dealer Ambassador …the CIA Safehouse…the Seals retrieval mission…the rape for a rape proxy war with Russia…the ” Arab Spring” fraud for the arsonists at work….

    Seems Lockheed should be testifying before Congress…and Cohens minions Senators Snowe and Collins would be an interesting addition…Weapons manufacturing should not and cannot be our stock and trade as carnage is an unacceptable currency…unacceptable to most Americans…All roads lead to Lockheed

    Eisenhower had a point and his warning should indeed be heeded…

    From Illinoispaytoplay….

    “Why would James B. Comey appoint Patrick Fitzgerald as Special Counsel on a case that was already solved?

    Why would he even appoint a Special Counsel at all when Richard Armitage, the man responsible for exposing the identity of CIA employee Valerie Plame to the media, had already confessed and had not even hired an attorney to represent him?

    Who is James B. Comey?
    _______________________________________________________________________________________
    James B. Comey, Jr. (born December 14, 1960) was U.S.Deputy Attorney General in the George W. Bush’s administration. As Deputy A.G., Comey was the second-highest ranking official in the Department of Justice (DOJ). He ran the day-to-day operations of the DoJ, serving in that office from December 2003-August 2005.
    Comey had been U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York before becoming Deputy A.G.

    In December 2003, he appointed his close friend and former colleague, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, to be the Special Counsel leading the investigation into the Valerie Plame leak after Attorney General John Ashcroft recused himself.
    In August 2005, Comey left the DOJ and became General Counsel and Senior Vice President at Lockheed Martin. From there he went on to Bridgewater Associates in June 2010.
    ________________________________________________________________________________________
    In 2009, Comey’s total compensation package at Lockheed Martin was 6,113,797. Apparently, no one in the media cared that Lockheed worked closely with the Cohen Group where Marc Grossman was Vice Chairman.
    Grossman was a key figure in Patrick Fitzgerald’s quest to find out who leaked that Valarie Plame worked for the CIA.

    Before Fitzgerald’s investigation team even bought their office supplies, Comey and Fitz knew that Armitage had, innocently he claimed, leaked the knowledge about Valarie Plame to, now deceased, columnist Bob Novak.

    Comey left Lockheed to work at Bridgewater Associates and then, after a short stay at Bridgewater, he became a partner with Attorney General Eric Holder’s former law firm, Covington & Burling.

    What do Lockheed Martin and the Cohen Group have in common? Did they have any vested interests in Iraq or Afghanistan while Fitzgerald was chasing down the phantom leaker? Did the old media ever explore that possibility?

    Has any reporter ever asked Fitzgerald or Comey why a phantom leaker was sought after the real leaker had already confessed? Did any Tribune or Sun Times reporter ever pose that question to Fitz?

    Has anyone asked former New York Times writer Judith Miller how she feels about having spent nearly three months in jail after Fitz already knew that Armitage was the leaker? Does that make her a victim of wrongful imprisonment?

    What does Scooter Libby say about all this?
    And, lastly, did Fitzgerald or Comey violate any laws during this Kabuki dance?
    Many questions – no media interest – hence, no answers. Nothing to see here folks, move along. It’s the Chicago Way.

    Next….. Where did Dick Armitage eventually land?”

  340. A FB friend just posted this: “We survived Bush, we will survive Obama.”
    Sadly, this is not the case, as we here understand. But I mention it to indicate that while not even 3 weeks have passed since the GE, one in my daughters’ disappointed. Already.
    Tell me, @SenadorReid, @NancyPelosi and @DNC, how can it be?

  341. Leanora–years ago a union friend of mine went on a boat ride around Boston Harbor with senior Democrat officials and a group of young ladies sometimes referred to as strippers. To those with Puritanical tastes, this was seen to be unseemly, unprofessional and a waste of taxpayers money. The result was predictable. It was like the old Cole Porter line: stead of landing on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock would land on them. And believe me it did, with Howie leading the cavalry charge. Howie is a smart, articulate and persistent guy. His insights into the political process are second to none, in my opinion.

    There are people who are ready to fight at the drop of a hat, so long as there is a companion with them who will extricate them from the situation they have created with statements like come on Joe, you have had enough to drink, lets go home, I am sorry, he is not normally this way, he is under a lot of pressure, etc.

    Appros of that sentiment, one of the comments to Howie’s article sort of caught my eye. If I was the republicans, I would give him his wish list and watch it all crash. If I am a member of the electorate, I would grab all the free goodies, I could. In other words, hand Obama by his own petard.

    Politically and economically speaking, this Obama care is the greatest disincentive to the economic recovery there is. Worse than that, it foreshadows a total economic collapse. Big media is now suggesting that portions of Obama care may be on the negotiating table in the fiscal cliff discussions. The too dumb to spit Republicans will leap at the opportunity to amend certain provisions of that toxic law. In other words, the dumb ones–which is most of them, see this as a bargaining chip for Obama. The smart ones will realize it is just the opposite– a bargaining chip for them.

    That insight makes all the difference in how you play the hand. No longer is it a question of getting him to amend provisions of his own legislation which are toxic to economic recovery. It is the other way around. What price is he willing to pay to get off the hook on the toxic portions of that improvident legislation which in the fulsomeness of time, sink his presidency. At a minimum, I would give him nothing in the way of a trade-off for this. In negotiations, you always hope to get your opponent negotiating against himself. That is what they should do here.

    Unfortunately, it requires a lot of self discipline to execute such a strategy. You have to play a game of brinksmanship and take him right down to the wire. When the negotiator is someone who would rather be playing golf, or be on an adventure not unlike the booze cruise, this strategy may be unrealistic, save to say he must treat the modifications proposed by Obama, Reid and Pelosi to the job killing aspects of that odious act, as an effort to solve their problem, and not give anything back to them in exchange. They made the mess, let them clean it up—if they can.

  342. Correction: I neglected to put quotation marks around the following portion of the above: “If I was the republicans, I would give him his wish list and watch it all crash. If I am a member of the electorate, I would grab all the free goodies, I could”. The rest of the analysis is my own.

  343. Excellent idea.
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    wbboei
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Correction: I neglected to put quotation marks around the following portion of the above: “If I was the republicans, I would give him his wish list and watch it all crash. If I am a member of the electorate, I would grab all the free goodies, I could”. The rest of the analysis is my own.

  344. http://legalinsurrection.com/

    ——————
    Ezra Klein, Max Fischer, Eric Blowhard, Matt Tabbi, et.al

    They all look alike: callow, pseudo sophisticated, verbose, and far too intense. Like young Nazis.

    They all sound alike. Spouting their left wing drivel. Hoping to be taken seriously. Like young Nazis.

    And they all come from the same left wing venues. From Harvard to Atlantic to WashPo etc.

    The problem is they don’t know shit from shinola.

    What they really are is pampered, over-educated schlockmeisters.

    Their half baked ideas pollute public discourse.

    Like Fischer’s idea that it would be better if more Israelis died because that would make Bibi desperate to negotiate.

    Let us hope the next time a Hesbola rocket lands in Israel, Fischer is there to catch it–since he does not like the shield.

  345. Spot-on analysis wbboei

    wbboei
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Unfortunately the repubs are far too dense to understand they’re the ones with the trump cards and will doubtless cave to the pos.

  346. I mean really, how does this work?

    Over here you have fanatical forces bent on destroying Israel and expelling western presence and influence from the middle east. Those forces control the street, and the governments in Iran, Iraq (in time), Syria, and now Egypt.

    And over here we have Israel. The only democracy in the middle east, seeing its people killed with Hesbola rockets, and being condemned by the world and at times by the Obama Administration as well.

    Then, along comes this idiot Fisher who expects the lion to lay down with the lamb, if only Israel would abandon the missile defense shield.

    Shame on WashPo and the entire left wing establishment for allowing loons like him to pollute their space. The only possible reason they do this is because they agree with him. If you look at the history of the left, it becomes obvious that they have always been anti-semitic, yet too many Jews in this country ignore that incontrovertible fact.

  347. BASIL99
    November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    —————————
    There is another reason for the Republicans to hold the line on this: if they help Obama eliminate the politically toxic provisions of the act, that leaves the rest of the act standing. In legal parlayance, it preserves the status quo ante–which is Obama care. There is a you broke it you own it aspect to this. I am not suggesting that they should be churlish about this, or behave like a dog in a manger, or let the country slip off the financial cliff. Obviously, that is what the Obama media will accuse them of doing, regardless of what they do. What I am saying is they should concede nothing for this, and extract concessions from him on spending in exchange for their support. Those concessions will squeeze his balls with his black supporters, who have already made it clear to him as dirty Al Sharpton notes, the revenue generated by increasing taxes on the rich must go to the urban communities–which is racial coding for blacks. In other words, racial spoils, instead of a color blind distribution to distressed rural areas as well, based on need. Sharpton is a racist demagogue right out of Bonfire of the Vanities, and Obama is his little bitch.

  348. Lets hope Obama appoints Rice. I mean it. Not just for the reasons Larry Johnson suggested–to destroy everything, but for an even better reason: it flings open the door on Benghazi, and the questions she would be asked in the ensuing confirmation hearing by people like Lindsay Graham will cause Obama to twist in the wind, and scream racist. Now granted, the blacks may riot,–lets hope they burn down Beverly Hills if they do, but that seems like a small price to pay to achieve political accountability.

  349. While Texans consider ceding from the US, Catalonia is mulling leaving Spain.
    _____________________________________________________

    “Madrid (CNN) — Before Sunday’s elections in Catalonia, Artur Mas, president of the region’s parliament, promised a referendum on independence for one of Spain’s most important regions if he won re-election.

    But after the election, Mas has a more difficult task because his center-right Convergence and Union coalition lost 12 of its 62 seats, a strong setback for a party that was hoping to gain a simple majority in the 135-seat legislative body.

    The Catalan Republican Left party was the big winner in the elections, winning 21 seats, according to the Catalonia elections web site, which reported 98% of the votes had been counted.

    The Catalan Republican Left party also backs independence, and the two parties could form a majority in parliament on the independence issue.

    They, however, differ on most other issues, especially economic policy.

    Voters in Catalonia, the most powerful economically of Spain’s 17 regions, heeded the call that these would be historic elections, even if independence wasn’t on the ballot Sunday. They voted during a deep economic crisis in the eurozone countries, especially in Spain and in Catalonia. Voter turnout was the highest in 24 years for Catalan elections, officials said.

    The Spanish government in Madrid vows to block any self-determination referendum, arguing that the constitution does not permit a region alone to decide its independence.

    Last September 11, an estimated 1.5 million people — 20% of Catalonia’s population — filled the streets of Barcelona, the Catalan capital and Spain’s second-largest city, demanding independence.

    Soon after, Mas called snap regional elections, two years early. His government already has enacted deep spending cuts trying to balance the regional books and has asked Madrid for $6 billion in emergency credit to pay its bills.

    “The crisis has made many people in Catalonia desperate,” said Gonzalo Bernardos, a University of Barcelona economist. “They see a dark future. Then hope springs, that with Catalan independence, things will be better.”

    Catalonia has its own flag and language — Catalan — and various analysts say the economic crisis has brought long-simmering nationalist sentiment to the forefront.

    Catalans complain of cultural repression and economic sleights by Madrid dating back centuries.

    With just 16% of Spain’s population, Catalonia produces 19% of the nation’s wealth.

    Catalonia argues that it sends far more in taxes to Madrid than it gets back in central government spending, and that Catalan taxes help support poorer Spanish regions.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/25/world/europe/spain-catalonia-elections/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

  350. Obama Goes After Insiders…

    by Ulsterman

    To say reading the outline of this newly issued executive order by Barack Obama leaves me concerned is an understatement. Not long ago, Insider warned that if Obama was to win re-election, he and his administration would then remain in control of the “the machine” and many would be left vulnerable to the implications of that fact. It appears that warning is proving all too accurate now…

    Thank you to the readers who sent this my way.

    ________________________

    EXCERPT: (via Canada Free Press)
    Obama’s memo on “insider threats”

    On the day before Thanksgiving, Barack Hussein Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum, or an unofficial directive to the heads of departments and agencies under the executive branch. This Presidential Memorandum, the text of which is only 183 words, directs agency and department heads to establish a program “to deter, detect, and mitigate actions by employees who may represent a threat to national security.”

    Much like all of Obama’s other directives, Executive Orders and findings, there is a disturbing level of ambiguity contained within this memorandum. One could correctly state that the obvious intent of this directive is to stop government employees from leaking classified information that would endanger the safety and security of our nation. While true, there appears to be a deliberate lack of specificity concerning the exact elements that constitute such an “insider threat.”

    …Taken to its extreme, it gives Barack Hussein Obama the ability to redefine what constitutes a threat to the government, including treason. It’s no longer about the rule of law and one’s allegiance to theUnited States. It’s now about allegiance to the agenda of the Executive branch, assured by active surveillance of government employees by Obama’s hand-picked appointees.

    This memorandum quietly inserts yet another plank in the framework for absolute control by Barack Hussein Obama. It is he, not laws enacted by congress or the workings of the judicial branch, who will now determine who and what constitutes an “insider threat.” The mechanisms for reporting such threats are now in place, and actual or perceived threats to our government are to be identified and reported on by the very people he appointed to key government positions. It is the very essence of “Big Brother” within the government itself.

    Everyone needs to wake up and understand exactly what’s happening not only in theU.S., but across the world. We are witnessing the consolidation of power that historically precedes a war for absolute control. LINK

    ____________________

    ‘After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. -Valerie Jarrett

    ____________________

    President Obama…the administration…the people around him…they have embraced chaos. They have implemented it at every opportunity. I do not believe it to be purposeful necessarily from the president – he does not possess the…full understanding of what he has done – continues to do…but those around him likely know exactly what they are doing. The goal – I am certain of this now…the goal is the destabilization of the American economy in the hopes of then picking up the pieces and putting it back together in their own image. This was done during the Roosevelt administration – the Great Depression. This was done following the assassination of John Kennedy, following Watergate, September 11th – and now they hope to do so again. -WSI

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/26/obama-goes-after-insiders/

  351. We are in a surreal world now, where failure by the Obama administration has no consequences. Friends tell me that if he screws up then we will have a Republican President in 2016, and I tell them, to quote Keynes, 2016 is the long run and in the long run we will all be dead. I was struck, as I often am, by the wise insights of Howie Carr in re. the moonbats remorse. Yes. I am sure some of them are in trouble now because of Obamacare. But even that fine insight ignores reality, which is that there is no end to the rationalizations that can the moonbats will conjure up that this is not Obama’s fault, even when his fingerprints are all over it. That is not to say that I have no delusions of my own. Mine was that the electorate would have enough sense to step off the train to Auschwitz while there was still time, and I now know that was expecting far too much from them. The mere thought of it made their widdle heads hurt. What this nation of moonbats wants is more government and they are indifferent to the costs it imposes on their liberty and their financial wealth. “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.” The only question that really intrigues me at this point is how far partisan advantage will be pressed by the king of fools. If he has the Republicans on the run, retreating faster than the German Army after D-Day on raising taxes, will the Soros Puppet push further. Will he raise the marginal tax rates on the wealthy–and eliminate the Reagan tax rates, and give it all to the blacks, as Sharpton advocates. And where will that leave the productive class–will they say fine, or will they go on the lamb. But the time Russia reached the point of economic collapse, the black market economy was larger than the state run economy, and when it did collapse, the architects of that economy, the Russian mafia, and opportunistic billionaires like Soros took control, because they were the ones in a position to do so. This is why Soros remains a much hated figure in Russian today, as evidenced by the testimony of Dr. Velma Butler. It is pointless to ask will the Soros tyrant go after the middle class on taxes as well. The fact is he already has. Obamacare is the case in point. And if he succeeds in converting 401(k)s to a national retirement program invested in T bills, then the job of turning us into a socialist dictatorship will be complete. And what is to stop this inevitable race to the bottom? The Republican Party? Give me a fucking break.

  352. I have not illusion, delusion; neither have I faith that this could even begin to approach our reality. Yet I must give it mention.

    Supreme Court orders new look at Liberty University’s health care challenge
    Published November 26, 2012 FoxNews.com
    “…Today’s ruling breathes new life into our challenge to ObamaCare,” Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, which filed the suit on behalf of the school, said Monday. “Our fight against ObamaCare is far from over….”
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/26/supreme-court-orders-new-look-at-health-care-challenge/#ixzz2DMmUl7Hg

  353. This is a very smart guy. The Republicans will not win over Hispanics, because most of them are Mexican, 70% of the illegals are Mexican, and they hate white people, because of their history. Years ago, I played golf with a Mexican businessman at the Dominion Golf Course in San Antonio. He was part of their wealthy class, and he traced his vast estate in Mexico back to a grantor named Juan soldier of the King of Spain, 1509. He was white, as many in the upper class of Mexico are. He told me there are 8 million of us–Spaniards, in Mexico, and the rest . . . are Indios. At another time, I had dinner with the most beautiful woman I have ever met, who was a dead ringer for a young Elizabeth Taylor, and I am not exaggerating. She belonged to a bullfighting family in Mexico. She was a friend of a friend, and we talked about conditions in Mexico, and the collapse of the market economy. She was more charitable toward the Mexican People as a whole, but the great social divide in that country was evident as well. At that time, ten million Mexicans were living off the garbage dump–which astounded me. And now many of them are here in the United States, and are, for those reasons, a natural constituency for the Democrat Party. And yet, the Republican Party persists in the illusion that Mexicans are social conservatives and will flock to them. 2012 proves that is not the case, and there are important lessons to be learned here. Unfortunately, 2012 was a bellweather election, and all the blather you here about the cycles of political history are largely irrelevant.
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    The Hispanic Voter Paradox
    Wednesday, 21 Nov 2012 04:31 PM

    By James Walsh

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    inShare inShare0 Hispanics voters, particularly the Mexican majority, proved to be a paradox in the 2012 election. The image of Hispanics as family and faith oriented, hard-working, entrepreneurial, conservative economically, supporters of education, and opponents of legalizing drugs was debunked at the polls.

    Pre-election surveys showed Hispanic voters more concerned about jobs, the weak economy, education for their children, and healthcare than they were about immigration; yet they voted for four more years of President Barack Obama.

    Republicans need principled politicians such as former Gov. Jeb Bush (left) and Sen. Marco Rubio to sell U.S. values to Hispanic voters.
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    By doing so, they found themselves supporting attacks on religion and promoting gay marriage, abortion, legalized marijuana, fiscal irresponsibility, and “revenge” voting.

    A survey by the Latino independent blog, VOXXI, found 75 percent of Hispanics opposed any change to Medicare. On Election Day, they voted for big government and taxing the “rich.”

    How did the Democrats do it?

    Men, women, and children of Hispanic heritage presently make up 16.7 percent of the U.S. population. Those of Mexican heritage make up 64.9 percent (or about 33.9 million) of the Hispanic population in the United States.

    They also make up about 72 percent of those residing illegally within U.S. borders. Obama received 71 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2012. This vote, an increase from 2008, won the election for him.

    Republicans are now agonizing over how to win back Hispanic voters. Pundits opine that the Hispanic vote was Mitt Romney’s greatest weakness, and Mexican-American voters led the opposition to the Republican candidate.

    For Mexicans, it may have been centuries of resentment against the role of “white” Europeans in their homeland’s history, a resentment they carried with them to the United States.

    Republicans will need to show these voters the benefits that flow from the culture of freedom in the United States, from liberty, individual responsibility, rule of law, and values based on U.S. heritage. This will not be easy. A Pew Research Center report of April 2012 found that 69 percent of U.S. Hispanics say they do not share U.S. culture.

    Many Mexican immigrants find that the U.S. lifestyle may not be what they risked their lives to attain. They find that the weak U.S. housing and construction markets affect them economically.

    Concerned about sub-par teaching in public schools, healthcare costs, and job opportunities, some are self deporting. A Pew Hispanic Center report found that 1.4 million Mexicans living in the United States self-deported in 2007-2010.

    To understand the Mexican voter, Republicans need to look at Mexico’s history. Mexico was “discovered” by the Spaniards in 1519 and conquered by 1521. After three centuries of Spanish dominance, the Mexican people were led in an 1812-13 revolt by a Catholic priest who was later executed by the Spanish authorities.

    For the next 120 years, Mexico suffered political revolutions, assassinations, internecine fighting, and turmoil. In 1857, a radical liberal Constitution was pushed through by President Benito Juarez, a Mestizo (of the uneducated class).

    In the late 1800s and early 1900s, nihilistic leaders like Juarez, Villa, and Zapata led the Mestizos in attacks on business, military, and “rich” communities as part of class warfare that included attacks on religion, especially the Catholic Church.

    Historically, Mexico has had three economic and social classes, Mestizos — Indians or indigenous people, and the lower economic and uneducated class; Criollos — those of mixed Indian and Spanish/European blood and the middle class; and Peninsulares — pure Spanish/ European blood (white) and the business and land-owning class. The majority of illegal aliens entering the United States are Mestizos.

    As members of the lower economic class, they favor the Democrats who offer welfare programs, strong government intervention in economic affairs, and progressive taxation of the “rich.” These immigrants see Republicans as elitists (like the Peninsulares) who favor the “rich” over the “poor”— a viewpoint influenced by Mexican history.

    In contrast, Mexican-Americans who have lived in the United States for decades and centuries favor the Republican political model.

    Legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants, however, are absorbing the secular, non-traditional values that the United States now offers. For instance, 53 percent of Hispanic single women have children, and Hispanics living in poverty has spiked upward to 28 percent.

    The Obama re-election theme of class warfare was aimed in large part at Mexican immigrants familiar with attacking the “rich.” They were won over with promises of “Obama bucks” — federal government freebies.

    One Hispanic said, “We vote with our hearts,” and another proclaimed, “We own America. They owe us.”

    Republicans need to convince Hispanic voters that reliance on government welfare programs destroys self-reliance and individual prosperity, while liberty and limited government nurture the human spirit and represent the best way out of poverty.

    Republicans need principled politicians such as former Gov. Jeb Bush, R-Fla., U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Gov. Susana Martinez, D-N.M., and Gov. Brian Sandoval, R-Nev.) to sell traditional U.S. values to a paradoxical Hispanic population.

    James H. Walsh was associate general counsel with the U.S. Department of Justice Immigration and Naturalization Service from 1983 to 1994. Read more reports from James Walsh — Click Here Now.

    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/Hispanic-voters-Mexico-Obama/2012/11/21/id/465074#ixzz2DM57w5tM

  354. From the above article:

    One Hispanic said, “We own America. They owe us.”

    In 2012, over 70% of their constituents bought it.

    That is the identical message Black demagogues like Sharpton, and Jealous are peddling.

    In 2012, over 90% of their constituents bought it.

    So if you want to talk about the real problem, well there you have it.

    And the Republicans have no answer for it.

    “From each according to his ability to each according to his need” (Preamble to the old Soviet Constitution)

  355. wbboei

    We are in a surreal world now, where failure by the Obama administration has no consequences. Friends tell me that if he screws up then we will have a Republican President in 2016…

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    If he screws up?

    He has been screwing up for over 4 years and these folks think we can wait another 4 years from this corrupt Prez when he has no media or opposing party that will hold his feet to the fire?

    I think of all the folks that have lost their jobs, lost their homes, savings and have no health care now.

    The folks that worked all their lives to support their families and didn’t cheat the system…that now only have hope that the government will save them, just like the people on the east coast that are still waiting for help, or the folks in New Orleans that lost everything.

    This isn’t the America I grew up in, when adults are only looking out for themselves and lies and cheating are the accepted norm.

  356. holdthemaccountable
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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    I never want to hear from Justice Roberts again. What Quisling was the the Nazis, Roberts is to Obama. Far from protecting the Supreme Court, he diminished it in the eyes of thinking Americans, to say nothing of four members of the Supreme Court. Worse, he undermined the Constitution, through the most convoluted logic in legal history. And then I see these Republicans say, he limited the power of the federal government by expanding it. I get very tired of this contrarian logic, which is not logic at all, but self delusion.

  357. Shadowfax
    November 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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    Right on. The change here is cultural, as much as political. Culture precedes politics. And Republicans, by their own admission, have lost the culture war with the left. The most depressing part of it is, there is no reality check any more. Rational argument has failed, and even when disaster hits, most Americans will believe big media, and not their lying eyes. The question is no longer how do I change the system. The question is how do I prevent the system from destroying me. Four years hence, some of the productive class will be asking themselves that question. Canada is close, but there is a three year residency requirement before you can apply for citizenship. In Navy parlayance, how do I swim far enough away from the sinking ship to not be pulled down by the undercurrent.

  358. In his fatally flawed, mendacious opinion, Roberts refused to overturn Obama care, after the political pressure was turned up on him, and relied on the fiction that the voters would decide the issue in the 2012 election. If the asshole wanted to defer to the voters, then he could have taken his que from the mid-terms, when that was the primary issue on the table. In 2012, it got drowned out by all the other issues like likability, free hand-outs, the killing of Obama, and all the cover-up which a uber corrupt mainstream media could deploy. Therefore, his explanation, as well as his holding, is a cop-out. He is unworthy of the job, and the only reason he is there is because Bush hired him.

  359. wbb

    In Navy parlayance, how do I swim far enough away from the sinking ship to not be pulled down by the undercurrent.

    —-
    Yup, 100% Wbb.

    We have all been swimming our buns off here at Big Pink to keep from being sucked down into that BLACK hole…but the hole keeps getting larger.

    Most of the poor and disenfranchised are Democrats, how long will the thrill of ‘winning’ last before they finally realize the a$$hole they elected has just run up the limit on their credit cards…and they will be paying for it dearly for the rest of their lives?

  360. I came across a passage in a book called Sketches of A Life, by Ambassador George Kennan which explain why we are destined to fail in the Middle East, and why too often it has proven to be the graveyard of empires. The passage relates to Africa, but the root cause is the same–except today we send technocrats like Jeffrey Sachs rather than missionaries, yet lingering somewhere in the picture is an evil capitalist Cecil Roades, or, in our time George Sorows.

    “I could not help but think how unfortunate the white man had been in all his undertakings for Africa, HOW FALSE AND MISCONCEIVED HAD BEEN HIS EFFORTS TO WESTERNIZE AFRICA; how much better it would have been if all of them–missionary, educator, merchant, adventurer, medical man, journalist and administrator had stayed home and administered to their own kind. All of it, all that the white man did for the black man–the schools, hospitals, churches, and whatnot: they were all, as the Russians put it, nye to (not what they were intended to be). I have learned to simply dislike the spectacle of the white man resident in the African milieux–to dislike his pretensions and to resent his presence.”

  361. Most of the poor and disenfranchised are Democrats, how long will the thrill of ‘winning’ last before they finally realize the a$$hole they elected has just run up the limit on their credit cards…and they will be paying for it dearly for the rest of their lives?
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    Unfortunately, they are governed by primitive impulses like blood, ancient hatreds, real or imagined scapegoats and idolatry. Too often, that is who these people are. And the elites exploit them in every way including their voting. Their motive is transparent–to saddle the middle class with the burdens created by their failures in public policy, and to turn the disenfrancised against America and the middle class. Sooner or later, they will run out of other peoples money.

  362. Here comes another “promise” of Obama supporters actually getting off their duffs and “doing something” (trying to influence fiscal cliff negotiations).

    There was no big enthusiasm by the Obots in 2012, just more of a “it’ll be so bad if Romney wins…”, Obummer got “more votes”, but not after you adjust for stolen votes in the four key electoral states, and elsewhere to run up the score to buoy his lead to 3%, so he wouldn’t have an “electoral college win only”.

    But here comes the attempt to fabricate a “groundswell”.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/us/politics/white-house-turns-to-obama-voters-for-support.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  363. FOUR MORE YEARS OF, “YOU RACISTS CAN’T CRITICIZE ME”.

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/11/26/new-politics-discrimination/

    The New Politics of Discrimination
    ============================

    by Keith Koffler on November 26, 2012, 8:21 am

    There’s a new racket in town, and President Obama is running it.

    After Sen. John McCain said on the morning of November 14 that UN Ambassador Susan Rice was not qualified to be Secretary of State because of her erroneous assertions that the Benghazi consulate attack was prompted by an anti-Muslim video, the discrimination police descended, unleashed by Obama himself.

    The tactic was effective. Sunday, McCain backed down.

    Spurred perhaps by the success of his presidential campaign’s efforts to smear Gov. Mitt Romney, Obama had launched a counteroffensive against McCain and other critics of Rice, suggesting the boys were picking on her because she’s a girl:

    But when they go after the U.N. Ambassador, apparently because they think she’s an easy target, then they’ve got a problem with me. And should I choose, if I think that she would be the best person to serve America in the capacity of the State Department, then I will nominate her.

    The comments, made during a press conference the afternoon of November 14, were paternalistic and patronizing. He would not have offerred such a defense for a male adviser.

    Obama’s allies in the smear racket took the hint.

    Two days later, a dozen female House members, most of them African American, charged McCain had revived the Republican war on women and that he’d added blacks to the list too.
    Obama November 14, 2012 press conference

    Obama at his November 14 press conference.
    Photo by Keith Koffler

    “There is a clear sexism and racism that goes with these comments being made by unfortunately Sen. McCain and others,” said Rep. Marcia Fudge, the incoming chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    Last Tuesday, Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), an African American who is the third ranking Democrat in the House, chimed in with the analysis that Republican usage of the word “incompetent” to describe Rice was a resort to racial “code words.”

    By Sunday, McCain was off Rice’s case, saying she deserved a chance “to explain herself” and adding that “she’s not the problem.” Bowing to Obama’s original demand, McCain said Obama was “the problem.”

    If McCain was indeed chased away from his position by a race baiting posse, it’s a sad new day in American politics.

    Obama, who once sought the mantle of post-racial president, sowed the ground for this new politics by running a campaign laden with slurs against his opponent, including one by Vice President Biden, who said Romney wanted to put blacks “back in chains.”

    Now that Obama put the campaign on the lowest road he could find, he appears set to place the government there too.

  364. “REALITY SANDWICHES” SELDOM TASTE GOOD

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/26/obamacare_faces_the_implementation_iceberg_116241.html

    ObamaCare Faces the Implementation Iceberg
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    By Paul Howard and Stephen Parente – November 26, 2012

    Defenders of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, can be forgiven for some post-election triumphalism. But their joy is likely to be short lived. Because the law put off implementation of most key provisions until after the 2012 election, voters cast their ballots on November 6 without knowing what Obamacare’s true effect will be on their tax bills, insurance costs, or access to care.

    Delaying implementation until 2014 helped the president win re-election, but now the bill is coming due. The administration can’t forestall Obamacare’s massive regulatory impact any longer, and the result will keep Congress and the media occupied for months and years to come.

    The administration has just begun to issue guidance (proposed rules) to the insurance industry on Obamacare’s most important (and expensive) insurance market “reforms.” Insurance plans must have clarity on these issues if they are to develop and price plans for the individual and small group markets both inside and outside of the exchanges.

    Right now, insurance companies don’t have answers to some of the most critical questions. Dozens of other smaller, but still important rules are also outstanding from HHS that will affect what kinds of plans are available on the exchanges, and how much they will cost insurers and taxpayers.

    Some of the recently issued rules, particularly on community rating (charging the same price to everyone regardless of health status) and limiting the premium difference between older and younger applicants are likely to increase prices for young people – and over half (55%) of the uninsured are under age 35.

    If prices rise sharply for this group, they’re much less likely to buy coverage, since Obamacare lets them buy insurance for the same price even after they become sick. And if young people pass up coverage, the rates will rise for everyone else in the exchange – and for taxpayers who are footing the final bill.

    The administration’s “damn the torpedoes” attitude toward implementation of Obamacare also ignores the significant amount of time it will take for stakeholders to comment on provisional regulations and for HHS to issue its final rules. Keep in mind that the law requires exchanges to begin enrolling people by next October.

    To call this deadline ambitious given the enormous uncertainty facing the industry and state regulators is a massive understatement.

    Many states are still evaluating their options. According to a recent report from Avalere Health, only 20 states are actively building insurance exchanges, with as many as 13 states of those states opting for some sort of partnership model with the federal government. The rest are simply going to allow the federal government to run their exchanges. That’s hardly a winning record for the exchanges, supposedly the crown jewel of Obamacare.

    As for the federal exchanges that are supposed to be up and running in states that don’t want to or aren’t ready to operate their own exchanges, the outlook is equally uncertain. As health care consultant Robert Laszewski recently put it, “[T]he Obama Administration has said emphatically that they will be ready [to run federal exchanges], but so far they’ve produced no information about how they are going to do it.”

    The virtual veil of secrecy surrounding creation of the federal exchange has led to skepticism that it will be in any position to operate as advertised.

    Beyond insurance rules and insurance exchanges, Obamacare faces other enormous uncertainties, like how many states will embrace its Medicaid expansion after the Supreme Court decision last summer allowed them to opt-out. Currently, six states (Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Texas) are saying they’ll sit out the expansion. Large states such as New Jersey and Pennsylvania are on the fence.

    Since Medicaid accounts for about half of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, and the exchanges are supposed to facilitate Medicaid enrollment, governors have leverage to push for changes to the program that will help them manage expenses.

    So what’s the bottom line? The Obama Administration is just beginning to issue critical guidance to states and insurance companies about how insurance markets and insurance exchanges are supposed to operate. The majority of states aren’t in any position to operate their own exchanges, and the federal government isn’t prepared to step in and operate the exchanges for them—at least not according to the schedule laid out in the ACA. The Medicaid expansion is a giant question mark.

    And, we haven’t even mentioned how looming tax and budget negotiations over the “fiscal cliff” and sequestration might affect implementation of Obamacare.

    Here’s our prediction. HHS has already pushed the deadline on the state exchanges from December 14, and in some cases to mid-February. We expect that deadline to slide again in the coming months.

    But we shouldn’t wait that long to address the underlying problem. Delaying exchange implementation has important federal budget implications, and may make it easier for Republicans and Democrats to agree on serious budget and entitlement reforms. If Republican governors can coalesce around demands for exchange flexibility and Medicaid reform, they can also give their colleagues in Congress more leverage to press for entitlement reforms.

    Ironically, the president and his Democratic allies may have to grant more flexibility in operationalizing Obamacare than they ever did while ramming it through Congress in 2010. On the other hand, if Republicans want to maximize their own policy leverage and develop a credible health policy platform for 2016, they will have to figure out an “endgame” for health care reform that increases coverage and lowers costs.

    The good news is that we’ll finally get to find out “what’s in” the Obamacare law. Won’t that be fun?

    Paul Howard is director and senior fellow of the Manhattan Institute’s Center for Medical Progress. Stephen T. Parente is the Minnesota Insurance Industry Professor of Health Finance in the Carlson School of Management, and Director of the Medical Industry Leadership Institute at the University of Minnesota.

  365. Jen

    I sure hope Admin comes back, I can’t imagine going through the next 4 years without Admin and Big Pink.

  366. A new poll from CNN/ORC shows that President Obama remains Teflon despite the fact that he designed the upcoming fiscal cliff to speculation. The public, by and large, sees Republicans as obstructionist. That’s due to a combination of messaging failure on the part of the GOP — nothing new, in that they seem incapable of explaining the simple fact that low tax rates, particularly on job creators, spur economic growth and thereby raise tax revenues — and a media concerned only with saving its flailing president.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/26/Poll-more-americans-blame-Republicans-fiscal-cliff

  367. Lets get it to the point that Imelt pays 100% taxes on what he earns. If he earns 100 million, then his tax is 100 million, and if he tries to hide revenue (like they all do) throw him in jail. 75 million of that hundred million goes to deficit reduction and 25% to be feed the growing dependent class–created by his outsourcing. The difference between this scheme and those that have been tried in the past, which like this one never work, is that the rich will be footing the bill, rather than the middle class. That should also include big media executives and pundits. They “OWE” us 100% of what they make. Let them live off their net worth. They do not need that third yacht or fifth house in the Hamptons. Force them to be charitable. They are not worth defending.

  368. Shadowfax
    November 26th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
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    I agree. We need admin to keep this site alive. But if admin is going through what I am going through, it is hard, very hard, to see any path forward.

    “Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
    And ever where it is loosed
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned
    The best lack all conviction
    While the worst are filled with passionate intensity”

  369. The chances that Obama will fail in the middle east? 100%

    The chances that big media will blame everyone but him? 100%

    The chances that the American Public will see the failure of American leadership? 0%

    Here is a very insightful article on the subject. First the Gigot comments, and then the follow-up interview.

    http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-egypt-islamist-coup/7A778248-E164-4535-97FF-6F0D1EDCE554.html?mod=wsj_article_tboright#!7A778248-E164-4535-97FF-6F0D1EDCE554

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