Four More Years – Of Political Warfare And Disaster

After a campaign of fear and smear, an economy in shambles, a world adrift from American leadership, corruption and lies, Barack Obama has enough electoral votes to drag America further into the abyss. The near even distribution of popular votes indicates the country is as divided as ever.

The House of Representatives is even firmer in the hands of Republicans and they will not be in a giving vein after the way Obama has attacked and smeared. There is no mandate for Obama from the voters because Obama ran a substance-less campaign of no proposals or plans. From Politico:

“But the victory seemed too narrow and too rooted in the Democratic base to grant him anything close to a mandate — much less the popular support needed to break the deadlock of Washington partisanship as he promised during the campaign. [snip]

What it all means for a country in need of functional two-party government is impossible to reckon until Obama meets with the GOP leadership on Capitol Hill to begin negotiations over the expiring Bush-era tax cuts.”

America will continue to slip further away into horror.

This election has resolved nothing. The economic crisis will come to a head in January as scheduled. Massive tax increases are in store with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. The sequestration issue will lead to across the board cuts instead of a planned thoughtful reorganization of the budget and economy. The contraption of Obamacare will need to be dismantled or at the very least massively reformed and restructured but that won’t happen.

What will happen is an immovable object will meet an irresistible force.

In foreign policy despots will see America leaderless and adrift. The jackals are ready to pounce. Israel in isolation with an enemy in the White House will at some point be forced to strike at Iran in order to prevent another Holocaust. As bad as we might feel tonight – it will get worse.

This cannot go on but it will for a while as things go from Barack bad to Barack worse. “Herbert Stein’s Law: “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.” The question is when.

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324 thoughts on “Four More Years – Of Political Warfare And Disaster

  1. Well, my daughter that will complete her Ed doctorate in the spring, age 26 , tells me this election has made her realize she needs to get involved in a national elected position.

    She worked many hours with me volunteering for Hillary while in pre med and playing D1 basketball. Still I am surprised. I told her I hope there is a republic for her to run for. She is a charismatic, beautiful Latino/white, 6 feet tall. She will be a force if she follow’s through with this.You really can’t take your eye’s off of her. She is already an Ass’t Principal (fell in love with teaching while waiting a year for med school placement)and a coach. She is a winner with a solid moral compass and great leadership skills. Think Vince Lombardi here.

    I think she really will do it, but we shall see.

    It is the only positive thing I can take from tonight, and really, I don’t know how positive it really is. I do know we need more youth like her.

  2. Anyone and everyone INCLUDING ALL charities will get my stock answer from this moment on out: “Ask Obama for the money”.

    By the way S, I use Mittens and it IS a term of endearment. I simply love the man.

  3. Where the Fuc& did the 2010 voters go?

    I am thinking voter machine fraud big time. I can not wrap my head around this.

  4. I know there is no uplifting post by admin on this punch in the gut night, and we all know it will get worse if Bill doesn’t kick Barry and thugs into a more central position.

  5. Barry and his thugs will now feel like they don’t owe anyone anything, least of all Bill. Watch Barry start governing even more like a dictator, issuing more executive orders under Valerie Jarrett’s direction and bypassing Congress as much as possible.

  6. Karl Rove, a great number cruncher, says that only 991 votes separate President Obama and Mitt Romney in Ohio.

  7. 991 votes and they called it for the fraud.

    The media have so sold out this country, I wish, outside of turning them off, we could do something.

  8. I should have voted for Barry, almost every candidate I vote for as Pres does not win.
    First time I voted was for Bobby Kennedy, and he was shot while I voted.

    Maybe I have a cursed voting record.

  9. Just as disgusted as everyone else is tonight but I wanted to thank you for all of the hard work that you’ve put in for the last five years. I don’t know where we go from here, including you and this site, but after things settle down, a path hopefully will present itself.

    For every year that Hannity has been on the air, he has said that the coming election is “the most important election in my lifetime” (that went for 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008). This time, I fear he may be right; it certainly seems like a tipping point. I worry about Israel, the Middle East, the national debt, unemployment, Muslim extremists, etc. and see the most unqualified idiot with no plan or ideas re-hired. As you once described him, he truly is “the garbage scow that is Barack Obama.”

    Everything certainly seems hopeless tonight, but maybe when things clear up a bit and the disbelief wears off, something or someone will emerge from out of the ashes …. who knows? At any rate, giving up is not an option.

  10. It’s too bad we couldn’t have somehow made Hurricane Sandy look like a big chocolate pie so Chris Christie would have swallowed it whole with his fat mouth, thus averting multiple catastrophes. Hindsight!

  11. Romney can always try again in 2016 after everything completely falls apart after four more years of Jarrett and her puppet in the WH. Nixon was able to do it in 1968 after losing to JFK in 1960 and watching LBJ drag the country through the mud in Vietnam.

  12. The GOP-controlled House really needs to get its act together and work hard to impeach Obama over Benghazi and Fast & Furious during the next year.

  13. valleyboy
    November 7th, 2012 at 1:55 am

    It’s too bad we couldn’t have somehow made Hurricane Sandy look like a big chocolate pie so Chris Christie would have swallowed it whole with his fat mouth, thus averting multiple catastrophes. Hindsight!
    ___________________________

    LOL!!!I needed this laugh!

  14. Ann Romney looked as if she had been crying, it must have been so hard for her. I also believe Romney will not run again I think Ann could not take another campaign and he wouldn’t ask her to go through all this again.

  15. We’ll just have to try to survive the next four years just like Rick Grimes and his group trying to stay alive in The Walking Dead’s zombie apocalypse.

  16. Trixta, it certainly feels like the end of the world tonight. I always think God has a plan, but it’s hard to believe the plan is for America to fall on its face.

  17. tonight I had to tell my fifteen year old stepson he had better study harder because I will not be paying for his college. we can hardly afford his healthcare and are both uninsured.
    my wife cried and I am sick to my stomach.
    no help for us safety net wise as we are white and working poor.

  18. Trixta, that Nor’easter headed to New York might be the beginning of the Mayan apocalypse. 🙂 Tonight certainly was.

  19. So both of my predictions were dead wrong: A Romney blowout and a skyrocket of the markets this Wednesday. Nope. Nope. Instead, the markets will slump.

    After my treatment, I read through the comments and this is what stood out:

    ==============

    @ 9:53 “Elizabeth Warren beats Scott Brown” I may be the only one here that is happy about that… Did MA split their vote top/down ticket?

    @9:54 “NH goes to O” Very bad start for the evening.

    @10:11 “McCaskill wins again” Well we all wanted her out but objectively that would be trading one asshole for another. Southern Born has the right attitude.

    alcina@10:15 “funny thing is, I don’t think BO even wants the win.” He doesn’t want the job, no, so from that standpoint BO would even prefer not to have a second term; but losing the election would be too big a blow to his ego. This whole potus thing since 2007 is an ego trip for him.

    nomobama @ 10:36 “Republicans need to learn how to cheat like Democrats.” Hey, you remember Gore-Bush? Republicans are no choirboys either. The real solution is to “rig” the election system so there is one-person-one-vote and no way around it. The way this has been done in other countries would call for a constitutional amendment in the US: national ID. There may be some other way, on a state-by-state basis. Anyway, the objective shouldn’t be to let everyone cheat the same way but by preventing the cheating.

    @10:52 “Minn goes Obama” Well I guess that was a foregone conclusion.

    @11pm: “North Carolina goes to Mitt” Was pretty sure of that…

    @11:01: “Idaho Mitt wins, O wins Hawaii, CA” Good for Idaho! Sure of the other two.

    @11:08: “Missouri to Mitt” That means Missouri split their ticket, RR at the top, down ticket Dem, like me in NJ. Akin is so fucking stupid!

    @11:14: “It’s over, O wins Ohio” Jesus, I’m going to stop my chemo treatment and let myself die of cancer.

    @11.26 (admin) “Romney… disputing… Ohio… This is NOT over.” OK, will go on with my chemo…. But no, scratch that.

    gonzotx @ 12:02 has it right, quoting from the Czech article that was posted here a month or two ago: “The danger to America is… a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.” We are ultimately responsible for everything that happens. We were responsible for Dubya 1 and 2 and for Obama 1 and 2. We have brought it upon ourselves.

    @12:10 “Colorado goes O.” And then it is really over. Pull out my chemo IV.

    =================

    admin’s quote of Herbert Stein’s Law is fun, but it’s very fatalistic from the standpoint of November 7, 2012, because O does indeed have a mandate: to do nothing. Nothing is what he did in his first term, Nothing is the platform he ran on, and Nothing is what he will do. Nothing can go on forever, nonstop, and it will go on for at least four more years.

    What is in the offing is possible action by Congress over the Benghazi matter, especially when Hillary’s commission comes out with its report. O will probably invoke Executive Privilege, impeachment will fall flat on its face.

    Which brings to mind Congress: How has the face of Congress changed? Has Reid lost his majority? Are there more Rs in the House?

    O will let the Bush tax cuts expire, which means doing Nothing, his specialty. I’m no fan of the Bush tax cuts, so drop that. That will bring $40-45 billion into the coffers, a drop in O’s bucket of spending. But it won’t cut or limit jobs: The rich don’t create jobs, that was Reagan’s false assumption. There is no trickle-down, the rich just get richer. It’s the middle class that creates its own jobs.

    The other obstacle will be the debt ceiling. I can see Congress forcing O’s hand on this. O can shut down the government and Congress shouldn’t budge.

    rickya has some good suggestions for the RNC: they should wrap their heads better around social issues and teach/lead the conservative wing rather than kowtowing to it.

    On our side, I’d like to keep track of gonzotx’ daughter, so please keep us informed of her political activities and aspirations.

    Tony Stark says O & Co. “now feel like they don’t owe anyone anything…” and don’t forget Jarrett’s “payback time”!

    sirmrks: I feel your pain, not being able to finance your stepson’s education. Maybe you should consider following Carol and go live in some country where there is universal education and health care. Such places exist!!

  20. We are now living in a country of fat lazy voters who don’t want the responcibility of a job or a family. Women are more interested in their devine right to an abortion than having babies and this has proven to be a disaster for Europe with it’s aging population and it’s lazy young people whos only occupation is waiting for their parents to die so that they can inherit their stuff. Medicare is unsustainable because it is dependent on new younger healthier working people paying into the system. Our young people are not health, the are obese and have STDs at alarming rates. There are fewer young people and their unemployment is outragiously high. So how on earth does the electorate expect the government to save medicare when our progressive culture makes it impossible? America never accumulated centuries worth of imperial wealth like the the Europeans did. They were able to buy their subjects with the free stuff they stole from the world and make them dependent on the government for everything. America had to build it’s wealth and now it will all be destroyed by parasites who will quickly suck the host dry. It took Europe a long time to arrive at it’s socialist disaster. America will get there much faster. Sarah Palin breathed life back into the republican party after 12 years of damage from the progressive global government Agenda 21 Bush Cartel’s damage. She has put her career on the line time and time again for her conservative convictions. I will support her in 2016 or Michele Bachmann who voted against both Bush and Obama bailouts. I will never support another Clinton as long as I live. They were the only ones who could have stopped the Obama night mare. But instead they decided to jump on the gravy train with him.

  21. I’m sure there will be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking, and many of admin’s criticism of the Romney campaign are correct. Should have had more of R’s voice in the ads, for example. Also I think he tried to run out the clock the last week, left some cards on the table, like Libya, and played some weak ones (Jeep jobs in China). But with the media bias it seemed like a stacked deck anyway.

  22. S, excerpts from the link you posted:

    http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/obama-victory-comes-with-no-mandate-20121106

    Barack Obama won a second term but no mandate. Thanks in part to his own small-bore and brutish campaign, victory guarantees the president nothing more than the headache of building consensus in a gridlocked capital on behalf of a polarized public.

    If the president begins his second term under any delusion that voters rubber-stamped his agenda on Tuesday night, he is doomed to fail. [snip]

    “The mandate is a myth,” said John Altman, associate professor of political science at York College of Pennsylvania. “But even if there was such a thing as a mandate, this clearly isn’t an election that would produce one.”

    He pointed to Obama’s small margin of victory and the fact that U.S. voters are divided deeply by race, gender, spirituality, and party affiliation. You can’t claim to be carrying out the will of the people when the populous has little shared will. [snip]

    “I’m generally an optimist, but it’s hard to see how there is a mandate for anything other than more of what we’ve seen the last several years,” said GOP strategist Mark McKinnon, who helped elect and reelect the younger President Bush. “There’s not a good scenario for how this turns out.”

    Obama hurt his cause by running a hard-edged and negative campaign against Republican Mitt Romney, hoping to convince recession-weary voters that his rival was unworthy of the job. He gave lip service to an agenda, publishing scaled-back and repackaged ideas from his first term in a 20-page pamphlet. Obama’s message was often microtargeted to Democratic coalitions rather than the broad electorate. [snip]

    Altman, the political science professor from Pennsylvania, struggled for the advice he would give no-mandate Obama. “You are going to govern unsuccessfully. You are going to fail,” he said with a chuckle.

    But then he hedged. Maybe expectations would be lower for Obama than they were in 2009, Altman said. “They expect him to just hang on for another four years and hopefully not screw it up too much,” Altman said. [snip] ”

  23. Stock market advice from MarketWatch:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/where-to-put-your-money-if-obama-wins-2012-11-06

    The administration and the Federal Reserve run by his appointed chairman, Ben Bernanke, have systematically stuffed big banks’ pockets with cash in an unending rescue effort, slashed interest rates to the lowest levels of the past 300 years, diverted senior citizens’ savings to revive the moribund residential construction industry and showered drug makers and insurers with fresh sources of revenue from his health care overhaul.

    Little wonder then that Wall Street cannot bear the idea of parting ways with the Obama administration, and thus in the past two months has thrown a tantrum to protest the surprising advancement of challenger Mitt Romney in the polls.

    Now that the president has won a second term, you can expect most of the sectors that have benefited from the present administration to keep on rolling.

  24. Admin was correct too about Romney’s VP choice. Ryan failed to deliver Wisconsin, and they also lost Florida.

  25. For those appropriately angry with Bill Clinton, don’t worry. Bill will be discarded now:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/11/obama-calls-clinton-148775.html?hp=f1

    President Obama put in a call to Bill Clinton, his relentless surrogate over the last five months, after he spoke with Mitt Romney early this morning, Fox News’ Ed Henry reports.

    Sources familiar with the call confirmed it took place.

    That Obama owes Clinton a huge debt of gratitude is clear, and will be an enduring part of the story of 2012.

    UPDATE: Clinton was not among those Obama mentioned in his acceptance speech, which just ended.

  26. wbb1950 • a few seconds ago −

    Forgive me for saying so Eric, but you have seriously misinterpeted the message of this election. I am as conservative as you are, Romney was not my first choice, but the explanation for this loss does not lie with him. That is nonsense. And so is the misleading explanation that BHO won because he ran a good clean campaign. Save that one for your appearances on CNN, who bent over backwards to throw this thing to Obama.

    The message of this election is loud and clear. The critical mass of the American People want government to control their lives, and as disheartening as that is to me, it is the bottom line. This has serious ramifications for the Republican Party. I think it will split as the national level and go the way of the Whig Party. Their ideology of limited government and individual freedom to which I subscribe to strongly is no longer sellable to the dependent class who now comprise the critical mass of the public. Therefore, it is hardly surprising that our nation is in a state of accelerating decline.

    To those who voted for Obama, I would simply say this. Congratulations. You voted have this country into a depression.

  27. There’s really nothing we an do tonight but drink and ridicule Chris Christie.

    So do you think the recovery plan for the northeast might involve him making burritos out of those left homeless by the storm?

  28. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/6/morning-after-reality-no-easy-answers-to-gridlock/

    Some problems won’t even wait for Inauguration Day, Jan. 20.

    The new year will usher in higher income taxes across the board as the George W. Bush-era tax cuts are due to expire Jan. 1.

    One day later, the $110 billion in automatic spending “sequesters” set in motion by last year’s debt deal take effect, slashing equally from defense and domestic spending.

    But an angry electorate begging for change did little to upset the balance of power in Washington, where gridlock has reigned and shows no signs of letting up. [snip]

    Democrats and Republicans spent most of the past year arguing over different solutions to cancel the spending cuts, “they couldn’t find them before the election, so I don’t know how that works out,” said former Rep. Thomas M. Davis III, who runs the Republican Main Street Partnership, the coalition of moderate lawmakers in the GOP.

    Mr. Davis said Congress could let the deadline slip past Jan. 1 but would have to be quick to act early next year because otherwise “the genie is out of the bottle.”

  29. This quote feels very appropriate, given what we can expect in the next four years thanks to the voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida who decided to keep the status quo in Washington and let the country burn:

    “So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause.”
    Padme Amidala in Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith

  30. Almost everyone who made an optimistic prediction for a Romney Win, qualified that prediction by acknowledging the possibility of an Obama win through massive voter fraud. At this point, I don’t know if the Republicans are aware how much of this actually occurred, but there have been many reports of cheating by the Obama campaign since early voting began. We witnessed it on a massive scale in the 2008 primary. Petitions were signed and submitted requesting investigation by the FEC, but, as far as I’m aware, nothing was done. We know that primary was stolen. We know there’s a likely possibility that it was a factor in this election. The public has become so complacent about this, it’s hardly addressed. Of course, the Republicans have been known to stuff a ballot box or two in their time, as well. And, whether Al Gore would have made a good POTUS or not, the Republicans got away with murder in 2000. That doesn’t justify cheating by the other side, but when the standard is set, people will live down to it. We have got to change it.

    When a candidate has the resources to accomplish widespread voter fraud, is willing to engage in such illegal activity, and has armies on the ground working all manner of schemes to steal an election for their candidate, it is almost impossible to overcome this. I’m not sure it’s possible any longer for good to prevail over evil in America, nor do I know if it’s worth trying to stop the fraud. but, I do know that unless it is stopped, democratic process is a joke. If elections can be bought and stolen in America with impunity, how the hell do we have the right to insert ourselves into the politics of struggling democracies around the globe? How are we better than the the bogus democracies in the Middle east and elsewhere?

    I don’t have any faith that the agencies charged with the responsibility of monitoring, investigating, and addressing the violations will do their jobs. Money gets passed around. Jobs are promised. Threats may be made. Corruption is knee deep. But, if enough concerns were expressed, possibly it would do some good. Our senators, representatives, and the secretaries of state for each state can be held accountable by the voters – well, unless they, too, are engaged in massive fraud, in which case, they have no incentive to correct it. It is imperative that someone find a way to reign in the voter fraud. Otherwise, why support a candidate? Why vote?

    Of course, in the 2008 primary, one of the reasons it was impossible to combat election law violations was because of the second big problem we fact in politics: the biased media. They refused to hold Obama accountable in 2008, and they will work to cover any voter fraud committed by the Democratic Party in this election, as well. No need to elaborate. We know who they are. We know what they did. And, we know where they live (figuratively).

    We also know how to express our dissatisfaction with their unethical practices – by refusing to purchase the goods and services offered by their sponsors, and by notifying these sponsors that we will not make such purchases unless and until the news program/network in question has demonstrated more honesty and less bias in reporting. Obviously, this undertaking would require a huge effort with a great number of people participating.

    Maybe there is nothing that can be done to put things right – to recapture some of the American ideals that our relatives and friends have fought and died to protect. Who knows if it would prove to be worth the effort to try to correct some of the systems and practices that are so broken and distorted in this country?

    At this point people are exhausted. Admin, I don’t know how you find the energy to keep working to advance true and right democratic principles, and the candidates you believe will honor and support these principles. Others have put many hours in, as well, and a huge emotional investment.

    It may be too soon to even mention righting the wrongs. But, at some point, all the people here, all of whom care about their country, will be ready to take action. Some have said they won’t support Hillary. They are angry, and based on the appearance of the situation, who can blame them? I happen to believe that what you see ain’t what you get with regard to the Clinton involvement. But, I could be wrong. Regardless, I’ll will support Hillary if we ever get the opportunity to do so again. And, my guess is that Admin will continue to support the idea of a Hillary run, as well. Again, I could be wrong. I guess we’ll see.

    No matter what the future brings, I don’t think there is a person here who after having time to process this shit storm, won’t be ready to put their razor sharp intellect – and in some cases, tongues (lol) – to work for the good of this country – whatever their idea of “good” may be. Most of us have children. Some have grandchildren. We don’t have the luxury of doing nothing.

    One thing I learned in 2008 – As bad as most of us hate losing, we would hate it so much more if we did not go down fighting the good fight, giving it our best shot, working like hell for something or someone we believe will create a better life for us, our families, and our fellow citizens. Sometimes, trying is all you got.

    (sorry about any typos, screwed up sentences, etc. I had to take my contacts out. Glasses don’t help. I can’t see shit.)

  31. “SO SORRY. SO VERY SORRY TO HAVE FAILED ALL OF YOU.” (WSI)
    by Ulsterman on November 7, 2012 with 33 Comments in News
    “SO SORRY. SO SORRY TO HAVE FAILED ALL OF YOU.”
    This was the message received from the Old Man earlier tonight.
    No word from Insider despite multiple attempts on my part to contact them.
    As for me, like many of you I’m sure – absolutely gutted. I cannot help but ponder the warning of Insider last week – “The only way they win this is to steal it.”
    Was rampant fraud responsible for this loss? Perhaps. We will likely never know. Just as so many other things continue to be buried away by this administration.
    What does the future then hold for myself regarding possible future updates? At this point I simply do not know. There is pain tonight. Deep, bitter, and it will be lasting.
    Read more in News
    « WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: “We Done Good. Win Or Lose, We Done Good.”
    There remains fight left in my yet, but for now, I am just too damn tired. The numbers just don’t add up, and yet they are the numbers being reported. They represent the final result.
    We lost. Far more importantly I know it in my soul – America lost.
    Obama, Jarrett, etc. – they won. Be it fairly or not, that is what history will record.
    Barack Obama remains this nation’s president.
    That fact remains impossible, even though I know it to be so.
    Does America live yet to fight another day, and will I remain a part of that fight? And what of our Insiders? A lack of time may prevent one from rejoining the fray, and the other, for now, refuses to respond. I certainly understand that refusal. For them, this defeat is a very personal one. And the dangers to them are now likely even greater because as they told me long ago, “If they keep control of the machine, I’m f-cked.”
    Maybe that goes for me too.
    We shall see…

  32. I ducked out from reality last night just before the inevitable announcement came across the wires, and this morning am numb but seem to refuse to be devastated. My path from here out is currently a question, and no doubt many others are searching for ways to survive the next few days, weeks, months. So please let me begin with an all-inclusive “thanks for the memories” to everyone at our beloved Big Pink.

  33. We enjoy these made-up quotes:

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/11/07/quote-day-november-7-2012/

    “Now I want to bring us all together, Democrats and . . . those who lie, only like rich people, detest Hispanic immigrants, want to send jobs overseas, love oil companies, enjoy war, hate the middle class, wage war on women, like to throw old people off cliffs, favor letting people die instead of giving them health care, and want to put African Americans back in chains.”

    – Barack Obama

    A note from our attorneys: This is not a real quote

  34. Gonxotx
    I was thinking the same thing…..massive voter fraud…….I just can’t believe all the consistent polls were wrong. My democratic area went for Romney but we have a paper trail on our ballots where paper ballots are scanned and kept. we used to have the machines.

    I live In a community being destroyed by illegal immigration. If you don,t live with it I dont think people realize how destructive it is.
    I just feel I have to get out of here. The demographics have changed and Latinos will be the dominant voting block. since many were illegal and then gifted citizenship, they will continue to accept poor south Americans to live at our expense while thEy destroy neighborhoods and build lovely homes in their home countries.

    I guess the only winner here is
    Clinton if she wants the presidency. I have just lost so much respect for both Clinton’s and personally blame them also for where we are.

  35. Is it true Oturd didn’t even thank Bill Clinton in his speech? If so, I have to actually clap about that. I’m gutted, I’m scared for me personally financial wise and for the country as a whole.

    4 years can’t go by fast enough to we can literally send them packing but the 4 years will be torture for us. Mooch will vacation, Oturd will play golf as the country and Americans burn.

    But, when people start starving I hope they remember they are the ONES who went along with this corrupt party.

    I’m beyond disgusted and yes IMHO Bill Clinton drug this pos over the finish line.

    Shame on Bill Clinton.

    Hillary may as well accept she’ll never be President as well. Oturd will never help her like Bill Clinton did him. Never, he’s a mean man and if he failed to even thank Bill Clinton now ..look out the knifes are out.

    Gutted beyond despair. I haven’t even turned on the teevee.

    Looks like Florida, Va and Ohio all fell in step for the frauds .. un fcuking believable

  36. Thank you Admin for your hard work as well.

    Haven’t cried yet but I’m close to it.

    Of course my stupid brother kept my sister up all night taunting here with “we won”, you shouldn’t have listed to your lil sister and other big brother. He was drunk and wasted and it’s a good damn thing he did not call me.

  37. I would like to do a private citizen poll. I wanted to do one in 2008, and again this year when I became worried as to why they were keeping the polls so close but never got the courage to try and convince you all.

    What would happen if each of the readers here and on other blogs picked random telephone numbers and called to ask if the person would share who they voted for. I wonder how many volunteers we could round up and how many people we could poll. Then we all would switched lists so that everyone got polled twice. and then publish the numbers for all to see and crunch.

    It is the only path to peace of mind I can think of. Maybe Obama did win, but somehow I doubt it and I don’t know how much time we have – or what we could do with results if they went against Obama.

  38. I say to my husband, not even one swing state for Romney!?

    “He says they were not really swing states — Republican party is delusional if it thinks it can win a swing state, can’t win in its current ultra-right wing/conservative state of mind, and they(remember Santorum) pushed Romney in the primary to become that guy who would scare the middle,” and oh boy, did Obama scare them.

    Well, that is the non-conspiracy explanation but still, not one swing state? Why were the (cooked) polls all so close, so if fraud went on, people would not know? (think Obama winning if the polls were real with Romney leading by a good margin) But how much fraud in how many states? If they were hanging Obama murals in polling places, can fraud be far behind? This is crazy. Welcome to the third world.

  39. dot48
    November 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am
    Is it true Oturd didn’t even thank Bill Clinton in his speech?
    _________________________________________________________________

    GOOD

    I am not watching tv, i even avoid reading my yahoo page. I don’t even want to look at o

  40. Neetabug, me either. I haven’t logged on to Yahoo. I haven’t turned on the tv. I want no part of the celebrations. I think it was stolen and read on one blog that Oturd didn’t even seem really happy to have won it. After all he’s just a “prop”, he admitted that.

    God didn’t save this country so I have to assume the Devil is in charge.

  41. Just watching a breakdown on fox.
    auto bailout
    Turned enough union votes in Ohio. atino vote was deciding factor in Colorado.

    Florida still counting but doesn’t matter.
    Exit polls say indies went. For R but not in the margins expected.
    o only won the pop vote by some 40k votes???

  42. Elections have consequences, as the old saying goes. But not this time. They spent 2Billion dollars to keep the status quo. What gives? We have to ask serious questions because nobody else is.

  43. It is almost like they calibrated the whole election to 2008 turn out numbers, just like they had in the polls. Only that we didn’t see it on the ground, in the rallys, in the people.

  44. Congratulations to all the winners. And to the losers I say You fought the good fight you gave your best but the opponent got more votes and won.

    Now lets hope that our elected leaders work together for the American people.
    Because there will be another election coming up in just two years.:)

  45. dot48: “Oturd didn’t even seem really happy to have won it.”

    Of course he is isn’t all that happy. I mean, a loss would have burst his ego balloon, but basically he doesn’t give a shit about his job – it distracts him too much from vacation, golf, basketball.

    I’m wondering if he and Me-Shell will be drifting apart now. She’s no longer needed in the WH, she can go on vacay all the time…

  46. foxy, that is a laudable sentiment. But I don’t think I am there yet. I think I will just withdraw for a while.

  47. I am just profoundly disappointed that our corrupt media won and that they can continue to do what they have been with more impunity.

  48. God grant me the serenity
    to accept the things I cannot change;
    courage to change the things I can;
    and wisdom to know the difference.

    Living one day at a time;
    Enjoying one moment at a time;
    Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
    Taking, as He did, this sinful world
    as it is, not as I would have it;
    Trusting that He will make all things right
    if I surrender to His Will;
    That I may be reasonably happy in this life
    and supremely happy with Him
    Forever in the next.
    Amen.

  49. I saw this comment at Althouse..That pretty much sums up a democrat voting for Obama while still not on koolaid.

    To me it’s telling how in conceding the brilliance of Bill Clinton many on this blog seem to say Clinton helped Obama (so excellently) only for the cause of Hilary in four years who will be 70 or pretty close to it. Are the ears here really that tin?

    Bill Clinton is the last great Democratic politician. Barack Obama is not a good politician. For me his star peeked around June 2008, and has kind of been fading ever since. I don’t think he speaks that well either.

    But I voted for him – this time. Health care and no more wars, and still some hope. I like what he is trying to do though there’s not much pull I feel towards him personally, nothing like I did for Bill Clinton.

    Hilary will not run in the next four years. She is too old now and will be then.

    Many of us who voted Democratic (Republicans would be well advised to drop “Democrat Party.”) who are over 40, and there are a LOT of US too!, are worried. We are worried about the fiscal cliff, we are worried about the still disastrous pick of Biden. We are worried that our man still does not seem to have a feel for how to lead the Congress or give great persuasive speeches to fire up even his BASE. We are worried about a lot of things. We voted for Obama with NO ILLUSIONS.

    Many of us who voted for Obama also realize what a decent man in the end Romney turned out to be, or at least the face he presented to us. I thought his speech was very good. As were his speeches towards the end of the campaign. They did get better and better, he became more human. And he did leave it all on the field. That is very admirable.

    Romney was as good a candidate as could be had, I have to admit in the end. The primaries were an unmitigated disaster. There is no way Santorum would have done nearly as well as Romney, nor the Texas governor. He was the best candidate.

    For a greater voice in national politics, conservatives should consider joining the Democratic Party.

  50. Pm317, the post you quoted only proves that the electorate did not vote based on the economy. They are still afraid of what will happen to the economy but they are more afraid of losing their free healthcare, their access to free abortions, afraid of the country going into another war. In short, they bought hook, line and sinker all the negative ads and the memes sent out by the media during this campaign. This election is a triumph of the media and negative advertising.

  51. This was my response comment to that commenter at Althouse:

    you are right to worry. Many Hillary Democrats worried in 2008 and more than half their worries came to pass and now the rest will perhaps come true. If you didn’t see the incompetence (even with the healthcare thingy you tout) in the last four years, you will see it in the next four, some may even turn out to be disastrous. But don’t worry, the media will never tell you. They will play Baghdad Bobs so you can vote for an Obama third term of incompetence if that is possible. Romney would have got a handle on the fiscal issues that you are worrying now. But of course you are happy enough to vote for Obama with healthcare for ladyparts.

    {BTW, that wretch could not even muster enough class to mention Bill Clinton to thank in his acceptance speech last night.}

  52. Thanks for letting us down easy, admin.

    Anyone know the final popular vote results?

    And, for those interested in intrigue, LC has another fascinating blog up equating MR’s votes as exactly matching JM’s 4 years ago. Not that there’s anything we can do about it.

    FWIW:

    Mitt Romney puts up the same numbers and states just like John McCain. That is from the same program which Obama had run for him in 2008 in vote flipping. … it reveals the algorythmns are unable to be rigged to nuance the data.

    The lies of Obama flipping 10 million GOP votes is a reality.

    This blog caught Obama’s election theft numbers in matching John McCain’s.

  53. rickya, people like Newt and Santorum hurt Romney during the primary irreparably. Fire the Sean Hannitys, Laura Ingrahams, Santorums, (Akins, and that Indiana guy and any others) if Republicans want to win in the future.

  54. Instead of joining the democratic party, conservatives should pivot on social issues and immigration to beat the democratic party. On the issue of abortion, i think that the republican party should drop their opposition to abortions. They can pivot and accept abortions but campaign to ridicule people who will have third trimester abortions. The campaign should be that abortions are not ” cool”. With the availability if contraception, only stupid, reckless people need abortions. On immigration, the republican party should craft a well thought out immigration policy that incorporates the principle of the rule of law , fairness, and compassion. I believe that the republican party is on more solid ground when it comes to health care, entitlements and fiscal policy.

  55. I might as well be my usual nutty self.

    I wonder if LSM were so enthused about Christy because he offered a perfect and plausible opportunity to spike the votes and get away with it. In other words, a POS win without any explanation would have seemed unrealistic.

    Just meandering, here. I don’t believe the POS won fair and square.

  56. We are in no man’s (woman’s) land. We rejected the Democratic party in 2008 because it was not good enough for us. And teamed up with the Republican party to teach the Dems a lesson but now find that that party is not good/capable enough either.

  57. (just reposting and not waiting for admin to release my comment) This was my response comment to that commenter at Althouse:

    you are right to worry. Many Hillary Democrats worried in 2008 and more than half their worries came to pass and now the rest will perhaps come true. If you didn’t see the incompetence (even with the healthcare thingy you tout) in the last four years, you will see it in the next four, some may even turn out to be disastrous. But don’t worry, the media will never tell you. They will play Baghdad Bobs so you can vote for an Obama third term of incompetence if that is possible. Romney would have got a handle on the fiscal issues that you are worrying now. But of course you are happy enough to vote for Obama with healthcare for ladyparts.

    BTW, that wretch could not even muster enough class to mention Bill Clinton to thank in his acceptance speech last night.

  58. I take back what I asked there is no more fight in me. and I agree with rickya. Minnesota failed to pass the voter id amendment. I exercise with my neighbor every morning and she told me that the voter id amendment was a good idea but there were little things wrong with it and the legislature needed to go back and make tweak it (one little political ad told everyone that). I guess she didn’t know that our legislature already put forth a herculean effort and passed a voter id law – with bypartisian support and our democrat governor vetoed it. I guess she didn’t know the monumental effort some Minnesotans put forth to get any worded amendment just to give her a say in the matter. I guess she didn’t know how heroically some fought for the wording we had. I guess she is fool enough to believe that anyone will have a chance to vote on an id law again in MN. And I guess she didn’t deserve the efforts some put forth for the sake of her democracy. I guess if she wants to start over she can head up the effort.

  59. Betty, your idea of a private citizen driven poll is a very good one. Hope someone with entrepreneurial spirit will pick it up.

  60. Pm317, you are so right 🙂 I don’t think we should settle. Our path is either to work from within the republican party or work within the democratic party. With the recent victories of the democratic party, i dont think they are open to any level of self examination. I think it would be easier for the republican party to marginalize their wingnuts and tack to the center than it is for the democratic party to shift to fiscal centrism. Remember that the democratic party relies on a dependent base for its votes.

  61. Basil99, one of the things that can be said about the 2 million vote margin is that a biased media can easily deliver 5 million votes to its candidate. Just think about how many low info voters there are. We might have been used to the bias already but the level of bias in this campaign is unbelievable. Obama didn’t have to defend himself from anything, the msm is doing it all for him. They attack his opponents for him, hide stuff from the public, protect him, minimize any criticism and elevate all his arguments. The wonder is that the lead was not higher.

  62. Florida remains too close to call By Daniel Strauss 11/07/12 10:12 AM ET
    The presidential race in Florida remained too close to call as of early Wednesday.
    A day after the election had been called for President Obama, The Associated Press reported that officials in Florida were still counting ballots.
    On Wednesday morning Obama held a lead over Mitt Romney in Florida of just 50,000, according to the AP. About 200,000 votes still had to be counted.
    Unanticipated long lines and absentee ballots were reportedly to blame for the delay in calling the Florida race. Even after counting ballots all night officials in Miami-Date still had 20,000 absentee ballots to count on Wednesday, the Associated Press report.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/266567–florida-remains-too-close-to-call

    Ho hum.

  63. Good morning all. Very bitter pill to swollow, but we all did the best we could here. The thing that concerns me is Romney did pretty well on the economy issue,direction of country, etc., but still lost rather convincingly. The immigration hardline of the right killed him, but he would not have won the primary without taking it. The abortion non issue apparently really swayed single woman voters, and the youth cam out again. Our assumptions(based on the so called experts) about a lesser turnout proved erroneous. I am proud to be here and will remain comitted to our cause.

    PS-my law practice employs 33 people. form hourly to salary. I determined thaty at a minimum, I will lay off 3 workers next yr to off set my tax increase/cost of business increase. They will be the low level file clerks, runnners, etc who need the jobs the most. Elections do have consequences.

  64. I haven’t posted in a while but this is a nightmare. Something is not right. The enthusiasm for Romney was off the charts and Obama had trouble filling small venues! I think it was rigged! No way could he have lost fairly! Going into yesterday, liberals were depressed and conservatives were energized. Obama was preparing for a defeat, what changed! A hurricane could not save convinced that many people to change his mind!

  65. jbstonesfan
    November 7th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    PS-my law practice employs 33 people. form hourly to salary. I determined thaty at a minimum, I will lay off 3 workers next yr to off set my tax increase/cost of business increase. They will be the low level file clerks, runnners, etc who need the jobs the most. Elections do have consequences.
    &&&&&&

    Agreed, I expect that many who voted for him, whether half-heartedly or with more passion, will be wondering a few months down the road why Obama did so little for them.

    I fully expect him to rest on his laurels, let Pres. Jarrett exact her revenge, and he can concentrate on golfing and decide which picture his Mt. Rushmore carving should be based on.

    Oh, Nobel Peace prize committee, it’s been four years since Obama won. Please give it to him again.

    Onto world politics, Iran will continue to work under the covers on their “peaceful nuclear power”, Putin is licking his chops deciding on how to win his game of Risk (“Maybe we’ll take over the Baltics…”). The sheiks will be expecting another apology and bowing tour.

    As for jobs, now they don’t have to worry about cooking the books over at Commerce. They don’t have to worry about doing anythihng on foreclosures, as Obama doesn’t have a re-election to worry about.

    I think our job here is to take a deep breath, and get back to exposing Obama lies, media complicity, and seek impeachment/removal for Benghazi and F&F.

  66. I think a few people were reluctant to dump him because he’s black! They see him as some sort of atonement for past crimes against racism and bigotry. Ironically, he’s the worst thing to happen to race relations ever! He’s divided this country so much that Bush is a uniter compared to him. He’s the black Jimmy Carter except that during his presidency, Carter meant well but just in over his head. Obama’s intentions are scary and long lastingly dangerous to the foundation and well being of the country. Can we survive? Now second guessing I wonder, could Gingrich have done any better?

  67. rickya,

    A good article outlining your thesis, how the LSM stole the election for the POS (and how we should consider them enemy combatants.)

    5 Ways LSM gifted the POS the election

    Reviewing the 2012 presidential campaign, here are five ways the media elite tipped the public relations scales in favor of the liberal Obama and against the conservative challenger Mitt Romney:

    1. The Media’s Biased Gaffe Patrol Hammered Romney: The media unfairly jumped on inconsequential mistakes — or even invented controversies — from Romney and hyped them in to multi-day media “earthquakes.” Case in point: the GOP candidate’s trip to Europe and Israel in late July. A Media Research Center analysis of all 21 ABC, CBS and NBC evening news stories about Romney’s trip found that virtually all of them (18, or 86%) emphasized “diplomatic blunders,” “gaffes” or “missteps.”

    Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer blasted the news coverage in an August 2 column, calling the trip “a major substantive success” that was wrapped “in a media narrative of surpassing triviality.”

    Similarly, when the left-wing Mother Jones magazine in September put out a secretly-recorded video of Romney talking to donors about the 47% of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, the networks hyped it like a sensational sex scandal. Over three days, the broadcast network morning and evening shows churned out 42 stories on the tape, nearly 90 minutes of coverage. The tone was hyperbolic; ABC’s “Good Morning America” called it a “bombshell rocking the Mitt Romney campaign,” while ABC “World News” anchor Diane Sawyer declared it a “political earthquake.”

    None of Obama’s gaffes garnered that level of coverage. After the president in a June 8 press conference declared that “the private sector is doing fine,” the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts gave it just one night’s coverage, then basically dropped the story — nothing further on ABC’s “World News” or the “CBS Evening News” in the weeks that followed, and just two passing references on the “NBC Nightly News.”

    And, when Obama infamously declared, “You didn’t build that,” ABC, CBS, NBC didn’t report the politically damaging remark for four days — and then only after Romney made it the centerpiece of a campaign speech.

    2. Pounding Romney With Partisan Fact Checking: There’s nothing wrong with holding politicians accountable for the honesty of their TV ads and stump speeches, but this year the self-appointed media fact-checkers attacked Republicans as liars for statements that were accurate.

    For example, a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter writing for PolitiFact branded VP candidate Paul Ryan’s convention speech anecdote about the closing of the General Motors plant in his hometown as “false,” even though Ryan was correct in all of his details. The slanted review became TV reporters’ talking points; the next day on NBC, correspondent Chuck Todd grumped that while what Ryan said “was technically factual, by what he left out, [he] actually distorted the actual truth.” Matt Lauer greeted Ryan the following week in an interview on Today: “There are some people who are claiming that you played a little fast and loose with the truth….”

    The same thing happened when Mitt Romney talked about Obama’s “apology tour” during the final presidential debate. While in 2009 Obama had, in fact, criticized the United States as “arrogant,” “derisive” and having “too often… set [our] principles aside,” the networks said to call it an “apology tour” was “false” because, as CNN’s John Berman tenuously insisted, “even if he was critical of past U.S. foreign policy, he issued no apologies.”

    Writing in the New York Times August 31, correspondent Jackie Calmes scolded that “the number of falsehoods and misleading statements from the Romney campaign coming in for independent criticism has reached a level not typically seen.” That’s not true, either; Romney’s team was, at worst, guilty of highlighting those facts that best illustrated their points (something done by all politicians), and the Obama campaign certainly put out their share of tawdry TV ads and dubious campaign claims.

    But with “truth cops” who mainly policed just the GOP side of the street, the media used “fact-checking” as another club to tilt the playing field in favor of the Democrats.

    3. Those Biased Debate Moderators: Upset liberals scorned PBS’s Jim Lehrer for taking a hands-off approach in the first debate on October 3, with MSNBC analyst Howard Fineman slamming him as “practically useless” for not jumping into the debate on behalf of President Obama.

    Such criticism may have encouraged the activist approach taken by ABC’s Martha Raddatz in the vice presidential debate October 11, and by CNN’s Candy Crowley in the October 16 town hall debate, as both of those journalists repeatedly interrupted the Republican candidate and larded the discussion with a predominantly liberal agenda.

    Crowley earns extra demerits for taking the media’s penchant for faulty fact-checking to new heights when she jumped into the October 16 town hall-style debate to validate President Obama’s claim that he called the attack in Benghazi, Libya, “an act of terror” the very next morning. Crowley endorsed Obama’s story, telling Romney: “He did, in fact, sir, call it an act of terror.”

    Not according to the transcript, which had Obama only speaking generically about how “no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,” not assigning that label to the violence in Benghazi.

    Wrong though she was, Crowley became a heroine to many in the liberal media; ABC’s Matt Dowd, for example, cheered: “What Candy Crowley did, I actually thought, was laudable….I hope we get to do more of that in this discourse.”

    Moderators are supposed to ensure both sides get a fair hearing, not pick sides. By leaping into the fray, Candy Crowley epitomized the media’s itch to tilt the scales this year — again, in Obama’s favor.

    4. The Benghazi Blackout: Right after the September 11 attack in Libya, the networks proclaimed that the events would bolster President Obama — “reminding voters of his power as commander-in-chief,” as NBC’s Peter Alexander stated on the September 14 edition of “Today.” But as a cascade of leaked information erased the portrait of Obama as a heroic commander, the broadcast networks shunted the Benghazi story to the sidelines.

    News broke online in late September, for example, that Team Obama knew within 24 hours that the attack was likely the result of terrorism. That starkly contradicted claims from White House press secretary Jay Carney, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, and President Obama himself that the attack was a “spontaneous” reaction to an anti-Muslim video posted on YouTube. Yet, ABC took nearly two days to bring this story to viewers, while CBS and NBC held off for three days.

    This was, shamefully, the broadcast networks’ pattern in October: New developments exposing the administration’s failure to provide adequate security, or contradictions in their public statements, were either given stingy coverage or buried completely. The puzzle pieces revealed a disturbing failure of Obama’s national security apparatus, but the networks flitted in and out of the story, never giving it any traction.

    Instead of an “October Surprise,” the networks engineered an “October Suppression” — keeping a lid on the boiling Benghazi story until Election Day. Who knows how voters might have reacted if the media had covered this story as tenaciously as they did Romney’s “47% gaffe”?

    5. Burying the Bad Economy: Pundits agreed that Obama’s weakness was the failure of the US economy to revive after his expensive stimulus and four years of $1 trillion deficits. But the major networks failed to offer the sustained, aggressive coverage of the economy that incumbent Republican President George H.W. Bush faced in 1992, or even that George W. Bush faced in 2004 — both years when the national economy was in better shape than it is now.

    According to a study conducted that year by the Center for Media and Public Affairs, from January through September of 1992, the networks ran a whopping 1,289 stories on the economy, 88% of which painted it in a dismal, negative light. That fall, the unemployment rate was 7.6%, lower than today’s 7.9%, and economic growth in the third quarter was 2.7%, better than today’s 2.0%. Yet the media coverage hammered the idea of a terrible economy, and Bush lost re-election.

    In 2004, the economy under George W. Bush was far better than it is today — higher growth, lower unemployment, smaller deficits and cheaper gasoline — yet network coverage that year was twice as hostile to Bush than it was towards Obama this year, according to a study by the Media Research Center’s Business and Media Institute.

    When Republican presidents have faced reelection, network reporters made sure to spotlight economic “victims” — the homeless man, the woman without health insurance, the unemployed worker, the senior citizen who had to choose between medicine and food. But this year, with an economy as bad as any since the Great Depression, those sympathetic anecdotes have vanished from the airwaves — a huge favor to Obama and the Democrats.

    Given Obama’s record, the Romney campaign could have overcome much of this media favoritism and still prevailed — indeed, they almost did. But taken together, these five trends took the media’s historical bias to new levels this year, and saved Obama’s presidency in the pr

    .

  68. Good Mourning all.

    So nice to know the financial barons see the impact of this election too. Dow down 350 points.

    Largest one-day sell off in a year.

    FOUR MORE YEARS!

  69. AS for me? Well, I’m now finding time to clean up the house, clean up my life. Thoughts of building a new business that sucks the last remaining spot of change these morons have in their pockets and building a fortress against tyranny.

    After 12 years (now looking at 16) of SHITTY PRESIDENTS – I no longer have HOPE that the America many of us know will ‘return’

    So, I have to adapt.

    Much money can be made in foolery.

    And having a big dog helps too.

    I am really aghast.

  70. So Florida went to the POS by 47G? How? All pollsters, including Chuck Todd, called FL for MR late as 10 pm last night. This is not possible. Black Box voting at its most insidious.

    MR – 4,097,011
    49.29%

    POS – 4,144,272
    49.86%

  71. @billhobbs

    If you own a business and have to lay people off, fire the Obama voters first. And tell ’em why: It’s what they voted for.

  72. I am posting Rolling Stones videos today. I will stop tomorrow , but I need this today:
    ====================

  73. I’m in the mood to start pointing the finger.

    To begin with.

    1 – Lame Stream Media
    2 – Chris Christie
    3 – Colin Powell
    4 – BC and wife (sorry but it’s true)

  74. Tony Stark
    November 7th, 2012 at 2:03 am

    The GOP-controlled House really needs to get its act together and work hard to impeach Obama over Benghazi and Fast & Furious during the next year.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    O-Biden is his insurance against that. 😯

  75. Rush going over exit polls and people gave the POS credit for Hurricane Sandy.

    That is pure unadulterated BS! The POS did nothing for hurricane victims. That sounds like a conveniently inserted plot point to justify the POS’s vote numbers.

    Remember how Stephanopoulos inserted the contraceptive question in one of the primary debates and everyone thought WTF and then the POS used that as a talking point and distributed it to the bullsh!t artists?

    So now the talking point was Sandy helped the P{OS and that’s a way to keep away closer scrutiny of the actual numbers.

    Sorry if I seem paranoid BUT It. Smells. Rotten.

  76. jbstonesfan:

    Bitter pill it is, and really sorry we’re not going to celebrate as planned. I told you I’m not a drinking man except of the finest Champagnes; but right now I’m in a mood to get me a bottle of rotgut and drown my sorrows.

    Before you lay off your three workers, though, let me propose a little job to your firm. I told you I have some business to tend to in your neck of the woods. Send me a word at jeswezey at yahoo dot fr and I’ll run it past you.

  77. Two thoughts: One, – the loss of this election is a loss for the country and a personal loss for those of us who backed R&R; Two, – the Romneys and Ryans were such exceptional families and positive candidates especially because we have had so many unqualified and disappointing politicians in these very difficult times. We will miss them personally because they are unique and probably irreplaceable in the present political culture.

    We wish to thank them for their work and commitment, their good cheer and their unambiguous American dedication to public service. We sure were lucky to have had this great experience. Good luck and thanks to all the Romneys and Ryans.

    Spouse and I are not big fans of rock and roll but we are even going to miss “Born Free”!

  78. Norma Desmond
    “Good Mourning all.”

    Is “mourning” supposed to be a pun?

    “So nice to know the financial barons see the impact of this election too. Dow down 350 points.”

    Yes, it is the reverse of the skyrocket I had predicted for today. Submarine.

  79. Yes, yahoo.fr

    I don’t publish the email spelled out because it becomes a link and gets pirated.

    Before the yahoo.fr you have my name jeswezey and then the @

  80. Forget about “Rock the Vote”. This was “Cheat the Vote”. There is no way that 20 million people sat at home on their asses. Where did the missing votes inthis election go? They just disappeared while a certain amount flipped to Obama. The totals in this election do not add up. This was not an election that people would sit out. Yet we are to believe that Obama’s supporters were all pumped up while his opponents were not. Nope. Jeswesey criticized my comment about cheating which I wrote in jest, but yet if Democrats continue to steal elections, the Republicans need to figure out to negate it somehow. I am leaving the Democrat party… finally. No need to be associated with these criminals any longer.

  81. The LSM just gave the affirmative Action POS an unearned Do-over and we the people are the victims.

    I agree with UM’s take on the something-rotten-in-the-land-of-Denmark perspective.

    Oh, and jbstonesfan, I owe you an apology. You were right.

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    Fewer Voters In 2012 Than 2008 – Or 2004????

    by Ulsterman on November 7, 2012 with 10 Comments in News

    The numbers coming in from yesterday’s vote simply don’t make sense. I’ll concede I’m looking at them from the viewpoint of one whose candidate lost the election, but still, even forced objectivity is revealing very odd results that quite simply, “Don’t add up”.

    Take this quote from an article this morning via kypost.com:

    A drop in voter turnout in Tuesday’s election didn’t keep President Barack Obama from winning a second term.

    Preliminary figures suggest fewer people voted this year than four years ago, when voters shattered turnout records as they elected Obama to his first term.

    In most states, the numbers are shaping up to be even lower than in 2004, said Curtis Gans, director of American University’s Center for the Study of the American Electorate.
    Read more in News
    « “SO SORRY. SO VERY SORRY TO HAVE FAILED ALL OF YOU.” (WSI)

    “This is one of those rare elections in which turnout in every state in the nation went down,” Gans said.

    ______________________

    And yet, despite reduced voting numbers, which should have directly harmed Barack Obama’s re-election hopes, and prior data that confirmed over and over again voter enthusiasm was strongly in favor of Mitt Romney, Barack Obama managed to win re-election in nearly every battleground state he needed.

    Is such a thing really possible? Yesterday’s results suggest so – in the Age of Obama

  82. WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: “SHUT UP. MOVE ON…OR NOT.”
    by Ulsterman on November 7, 2012 with 0 Comments in News
    After repeated requests for feedback, we finally hear back from the D.C. political operative who just days ago was supremely confident Barack Obama would be defeated in the 2012 Election. They were proven wrong yesterday. Very wrong. Barack Obama remains president. So what now?

    (The Jarrett-Obama Agenda received four more years last night. Will the promises of ”revenge” now begin?)
    ____________________________________
    WHI: Please stop with the messaging. I’m going over the #s. State by state. County by county. Had all of that lined up a week ago and it was looking so good for us. Last night not adding up. A major shift in the final hours or some serious anomalies in the actual vote counts. Voter turn out was depressed for both sides. All prior evidence states otherwise. How is that possible? Don’t know. At this point not worth discussing because I don’t have an answer for you so don’t ask. This is f-cking Venezuela we got here.
    Is what it is for now though. Shut up. Move on.
    You want me to say I was wrong? Fine. I was wrong. But I said they could steal it. And that is what might have happened. But to pull that off in so many states, would mean they got help. Talking from both sides here. Get it? Republicans. And that is scary. If we are that far gone, what the hell are we to do about that? We need a major reset in America if that is the case. We don’t f-cking deserve America anymore. When those Senators dropped Benghazi I got real worried real fast. It felt like a deal had been made. And the CBS bullsh-t. Talk about a media scandal of epic f-cking proportions. But nobody is pushing it. Like I told you. They buried it. Both sides. Gone. I’ll say it again. BOTH SIDES. Get it? I know localized fraud. But a multiple state millions of votes level of fraud. To pull that off would be incredibly risky and would require help from the apparent opposition side. And I don’t really want to go there right now. Too scary.
    Read more in News
    « Fewer Voters In 2012 Than 2008 – Or 2004????
    Another thing. They will use this to further divide the conservatives. Stir them up. Get the finger pointing at an all time high. Divide them up even more. Easy pickings then. You might be getting taste of that already. Keep your head up.
    Won’t sugar coat the real issue here though. America is in big f-cking trouble here. Jarrett said they have two judges ready and waiting. They want to own the Court. Congress really does become moot at that point. More than it already is. Hell, if elections are moot, why not the Court too?
    Give me 24 more to digest all of this. I’m waiting for feedback from others. Sure they are just as stunned as me. Virginia? That was +3 for us. Easy. When that got jammed up last night I knew something was up. And everybody was saying “What is going on?” Everybody. I’m hearing something like 8 million fewer votes. And we don’t win with those #s? That means no Republican pick ups? How is that possible? Don’t know. Doesn’t make any sense. There is no previous election to hold 2012 up against in comparison. I have never experienced an election night roll out like what happened last night. Never.
    Give me 24.
    Maybe we shut this down. Permanent or temporary I don’t know yet.
    I’ll echo the Old Man. I’m sorry too. Really believed we had this one.
    To give you a taste of what I’m doing now I’ll share this with you. I’m using a Florida outcome in a specific district to try and wrap my head around all of this. Three counties. Martin, St. Lucie, and Palm Beach. Martin is controlled by Republicans and the turnout #s match what all our national trending showed. Big enthusiasm for the Republican candidate. Republican vote dominated Martin County. St. Lucie and Palm Beach are the real tests and is where the #s really start to signal something is wrong. St. Lucie leans Democrat. Palm Beach is Dem dominated. St. Lucie showed marginally less votes for Democrats % wise. Republicans enjoyed some cross-over which is what all the national models were indicating. In Palm Beach County which is Dem. dominated, voter turnout was even more depressed than prior elections, especially for the Democrats. But the Democrats won the district. The Republicans lost. Basically, the Democrat-dominated counties seem to be where some very odd #s came back. And if this is the model they utilized last night, they had to have done it in multiple counties for every swing state. That kind of coordination would be huge. And it would need the help of operatives from the other side. So I’m sitting here trying to figure out if the #s represent real voter outcome, which means almost all our internals were way the f-ck off, or how they pulled off fraud. That will take time. It won’t matter for this election, but it will make us better prepared for the next one. Either way, I got to focus and make calls, and try to figure this sh-t out.
    Or not.

    -INSIDER

  83. I’m still scratching my head about what all the polls said and the election results. I find it hard to believe that Mitt received less votes than McCain, and that Obama added to his voting coalition. All the polls were saying otherwise, as I understood them. That and the unemployment number and tanking economy, etc. How could all of those indicators have been wrong?

  84. Interesting comment from a poster responding to the Ulsterman article:

    “The gist of things was this: LC said that Rove helped steal the election for Obama in 2008. Flipped 10 million votes, supposedly.

    So, for awhile now — for months, I think — LC has been saying that Rove and his associates wanted Mitt to lose so that they could run Jeb Bush in 2016 and have the path clear. And that some shenanigans might take place in the 2012 campaign to help make that happen.

    Now, is that right? Did that happen? I have no idea.

    But LC did say it. I guess we wait to hear more from WHI on this. I am most sure LC will read this article and then write an “I told you so” post about it. That is his style, so I would look for that in the next day or so. I would imagine he would recapitulate what he has said up until this point in time in such a post.

    If he’s right, then I give him credit. I don’t agree with some of what he says, but he is a smart man who can see the whole chessboard.”

  85. jeswezey
    November 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Norma Desmond
    “Good Mourning all.”

    Is “mourning” supposed to be a pun?

    youbetcha

  86. warehouse553
    November 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    I haven’t posted in a while but this is a nightmare. Something is not right. The enthusiasm for Romney was off the charts and Obama had trouble filling small venues! I think it was rigged! No way could he have lost fairly! Going into yesterday, liberals were depressed and conservatives were energized. Obama was preparing for a defeat, what changed! A hurricane could not save convinced that many people to change his mind!

    ——-
    I keep thinking of those things too and yet, the evil deed is done and just like in 2008, nothing will change the corrupt outcome.

  87. My cable is cut off right now, so I had the pleasure of not watching the tragedy as it unfolded. I did however, get a call from an obot friend last night gloating about how much of a hater I am for not just falling in love with bumbles. ‘I mean, he IS the first black president.’ I am so depressed right now, I could just spit. I live in Texas, and we took care of business here. I want to go to the so called battleground states and just ask people why.

    And then I see this……

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-victory-spells-trouble-israels-netanyahu-124053396.html

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2012

  88. I was in my colleagues office and an Obot walks in and gloats about how much money he made off of betting on yesterday’s election in daytrading. Is that legal? He was like Nate Silver is God. I want to know how Silver was the only guy saying 86% win, 90% win for Obama when everyone else was talking about a tie and even Romney up 1 or 2 points. What information did he have? Did he work out the “algorithm” for Obama’s campaign to defraud for the shortfall in the swing states? Something is definitely not right. Warehouse’s point up thread is well taken. There was not any of the cocky attitude from Obama, in fact he was crestfallen and weak. If I am looking for a tell there was not any to say he was pretending.

  89. TheRock – The article at your link simply says that the Romney upset is bad news for Netanyahu. Olmert may upset Netanyahu in January. Olmert is Kadima and would form a government with center-left. Kadima has one more vote anyway in the Knesset than Netanyahu’s far right Likud.

    All this signals what is to my mind a healthy reorientation for Israel. Bibi is Israel’s Bibi. Olmert is no jewel, but he’d definitely be less bellicose.

  90. jbstonesfan
    November 7th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    I think our job here is to take a deep breath, and get back to exposing Obama lies, media complicity, and seek impeachment/removal for Benghazi and F&F.

    ___________________________

    Exactly my feelings. I really thought I would take a rest from politics after a Romney win, but since that did not happen, it’s back to work! I hope Admin and all of you stay around to work on this. It’s our only hope for a better future.

  91. jeswezey
    November 7th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    I know. I read the article. It was the headline that caught my eye. The story is good ‘ol MSM NOT talking about the actual ramifications of an Obummer 2nd term to Israel. That is why I called them Asshats.

    Hillary 2012

  92. “Beyonce Posts Message to Mitt Romney Supporters: “Take That Mitches” (PIC)”

    This makes me feel sorry for her. All that money, fame, looks but no class. You can’t buy class. That goes for her husband too.

  93. Romney fails to match McCain total as turnout drops by 14 million. How is that even possible? Wasn’t there a 10 million people who stayed home for McCain?

  94. By and large, what I have seen the past 4 years is that liberals are far less tolerant than conservatives. Sure, you have you extreme right wingers, but look at the Romney supporters vs. Obama and you see a real difference in class. I understand joy in winning (and obviously the pain in losing, which is why I came to this site initially). This hatred towards one another is really disheartening. I can’t say it all started under Obama as look at what the GOP did to Bill/Hill. However, that was more political whereas today it’s all about race. Yet, the liberal elites who think this country is racist seem to not recognize it was the white majority that twice elected Obama to office. I think this country is a lot of things, but this racists shit has got to stop.

  95. I’m sorry but the results are not possible. My gut is screaming there was fraud. I don’t know how they did it but the election results are simply unbelievable. Even Chuckie Todd had called Florida for Mitt, Cutter had warned obots about early polling returns. What changed within a matter of hours?

    And with Holder at DOJ ALL of this will be swept under the rug, just like F&F, Benghazzigate, Solyndra. We have been taken over by a dictatorship. Sorry for the hyperbole but that is what happened.,

    Hell, even the POS knew the jog was up. You could tell by his demeanor, the tears, the half-empty stadiums, the lack of enthusiasm.

    It does not compute.

    UM is talking about two party coordinated fraud to pave the way for jeb.

    Who knows.

    But my gut tells me this was a stolen election. I have read enough about black box voting that I know how possible it is. Even Mitt was stunned. He didn’t even have a concession speech ready.

    We are screwed. And now Valjar is out for payback. Against who? Why, us, of course. Just got an appointment for pistol permit fingerprints. Apparently it’s not a minute too soon. Holder will be calling for gun rights laws to be struck down.

  96. basil.. I have similar thoughts about what went on. It does not compute. It is not that difficult to steal elections with these electronic voting machines. It all depends on who is running the election and how independent and principled that entity is. In the age of Obama corruption is the order of the day. If it was anything like the media whores, then why should we expect anything different? We should perhaps go back to paper ballots.

  97. Amarissa: “…I would take a rest from politics after a Romney win, but since that did not happen, it’s back to work! ”

    Yes, it’s disheartening to see upthread how many people are leaving out of disgust… for Hillary no less!

    Hillary herself may be disgusted. The end of her term at State is inglorious, hasn’t been going well for the last year.

    Obama has thrown Bill under the bus and a lot of people here are doing the same.

    I say, like jbstonesfan, we get back to the task we had before. Let the Clintons be. At least Hillary has some future for herself, let her work it out.

  98. Maybe cutting off your nose to spite your face isn’t the best political philosophy after all. As to Bill and Hillary, they are ecstatic with the results. President Clinton was a major factor in the election and the the Clintons are central figures in the future of the DEMOCRATIC party.

    Hillary is 44 in 2016!!!! Start working for her today!

    Admin, you are incredibility politically savvy…

    But William Jefferson Clinton is the MASTER…

  99. pm317
    “It is Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio in 2016.”

    Makes sense politically, but Bush and Rubio are both from Florida. No go. Where did you hear this?

    Anyway, I will never vote for Jeb Bush. The Dems could put up a 3 week old corpse in 2016 and I would take it over another Bush, especially Jeb. What is this, Bush is American royalty or what?

  100. jeswezey:

    I’m like you, not leaving. I like to finish whatever it is I started. I will not rest until we get justice done. We have been robbed twice and this is unforgivable and unforgettable. I will, like some posters here, not vote for any Clinton ever again. Will never forget the images of Bill praising the fraud and campaigning for him. Hillary, in my opinion, will not make it in politics again, reason being Benghazi or for her support of O. Besides, Dems abandoned and trashed her once and will do it again for Warren or someone else.

    Will keep on fighting for REAL Change!

  101. Agree Amarissa.

    There is something awful going on. Something’s going to break. Have no idea what. Just my gut.

  102. It is Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio in 2016.

    ************************

    Yes, pm317, if LC and WHI are correct, this Repub loss was agreed upon a while back, so that Jeb would run in 2016. I also think it will be either Hillary or Elizabeth Warren as the Dem candidate–but neither will beat a Bush/Rubio ticket, as per agreement between the powers that be. And the media will be in Jeb’s pocket too as they were for GWB.

    Such are my tinfoil hat predictions. E-voting and the loss of the fourth estate makes such scenarios possible, IMHO.

  103. Jeb Bush in 2016! Surely you jest.

    Jesezey, you said it for many of us.
    “…I will never vote for Jeb Bush. The Dems could put up a 3 week old corpse in 2016 and I would take it over another Bush, especially Jeb. What is this, Bush is American royalty or what?”

  104. trixta, I have a sense that the kingmakers are all laughing at us, mocking us, and their puny little pawns like the Cheetos and DUs write blogs to run their mission. I am not sure what we are doing here.

    Hillary or Warren, DOA, sorry to use that expression. In this botox country, the media will paste their wrinkled faces and menopaused bodies (no ladyparts to speak of) everywhere and they are done. Bill Clinton may fantasize that the kingmakers will run Hillary in 2016, no such luck. It is the Bush/Rubio circus next time.

    Again, I am not sure what the hell are we doing here?

  105. Not sure what to make of this article? If we knew all this before the election, why were the ground games different? Why did the polls seem to tell a different story?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/07/rcp-poll-averages-predicted-49-of-50-states/

    ———————————————–

    Going back to this article and the numbers and stats cited there and that god Silver, and others who are purported to have predicted it correctly, why wasn’t Obama more confident knowing this?

  106. GoP/Boehner offers deal, Drudge says. Opens door to new revenue. Expect your taxes to go up on Jan 1. The little people pay taxes, the big people steal elections.

  107. no way in hell I vote for Bush

    We live in a Banana Republic. Someone ought to care enough to investigate the vote.

  108. Jeb Bush was loved in Florida as governor. He is more center right, for immigration reform and is married to an Hispanic woman. I wouldn’t mind voting for him and Rubio but before we get to that option, I want O impeached.

  109. jeswezey
    November 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Amarissa: “…I would take a rest from politics after a Romney win, but since that did not happen, it’s back to work! ”

    Yes, it’s disheartening to see upthread how many people are leaving out of disgust… for Hillary no less!

    Hillary herself may be disgusted. The end of her term at State is inglorious, hasn’t been going well for the last year.

    Obama has thrown Bill under the bus and a lot of people here are doing the same.

    I say, like jbstonesfan, we get back to the task we had before. Let the Clintons be. At least Hillary has some future for herself, let her work it out.

    ——–
    I agree 100%.

  110. With regard to the HOTAIR article (posted by PM317), I find it difficult to believe that the R/R team was not considering the individual state poll numbers in their calculations. This whole thing stinks to high heaven! But, in an age of E-voting anything is possible.

  111. Admin, thank you for all of your brilliant and tireless work over the years! I’m very proud of all the work you and all the posters have done on this website, and hope that we continue to expose the Fraud-in-Chief. Even though he still occupies the WH, that doesn’t mean it has to be a comfy 4 years. There is plenty left to expose and ridicule, to be sure.

  112. trixta
    November 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Ditto. Admin, this site has kept me sane through these 4 years of Bumbles. Your posts are both educational and informative, and the collection of posters here could best any news organization in the MSM. Whatever happens over the next four years, I’m glad I found this place. KUDOS ADMIN! KUDOS ALL REGULARS!!!!

    Hillary 2012

  113. Thank you for being here. Your post is right on. I still can’t get over George Dubya’s reelection – and look just what good that did – let alone the sheeple who would vote for such a scumball/failure.

    Hey, heard any impeachment rumors over Benghazi?

  114. All of the criticism about Obama’s foreign policy, everyone here attributed to Obama because everyone was a Hillary supporter. But who is to say that Hillary disagrees with Obama’s policies. For all we know, she was the one who didn’t want additional security for fear of the Muslims. Obama’s attitute toward Israel? It is highly probable that she shares those same attitudes too. There is no reason to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt. She hasn’t given anyone any reason to think that she believes differently about Obama’s (their) foreign policy positions.

    If they share Obama’s policies, then both Hillary and Bill Clinton doesn’t deserve any support. If they did it out of political expediency in the service of Bill and Hillary’s ambition to become president, then she doesn’t deserve any support. To foist an incompetent President upon the world just because you want to be president is evil. It could be that everything the Obots in 2008 said about Bill and Hillary Clinton are true. Maybe they are really overly ambitious. Maybe they would sell their parents for another shot at the presidency. Who can really tell?

  115. For the few of us that still support Hillary on this blog…
    ——

    Obama win doesn’t change Hillary Clinton’s plans to step down

    The State Department on Wednesday said Tuesday’s election results don’t change Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s plans to step down.

    “You’ve heard her say many times that she intends to see through a transition of a successor and then she will go back to private life and enjoy some — some rest,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

    Mrs. Nuland said the news media may have “misread” recent remarks in which Mrs. Clinton suggested she might stay in the post longer.

    “What she was talking about was that she would ensure that the transition to her successor happens smoothly, and I think that’s still her intention,” Mrs. Nuland said.

    The challenge of replacing Mrs. Clinton, who enjoys a relatively high rate of popularity among foreign dignitaries and populations, is likely to prove among the most difficult facing the Obama administration as it gears up for the second term.

    Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and the current chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has been among those mentioned as a candidate.

    While Tuesday’s election results bolstered the Democratic majority in the Senate, it remains to be seen whether the party would accept a move by Mr. Kerry to the State Department, since doing so would open his Senate seat to a shock-election Republican challenge.

    Susan Rice, the current U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations has also been mentioned. Mrs. Rice, however, faced a rash of criticism from Republicans over statements she made following the Sept. 11 killing of American Ambassador J. Christopher Stephens in Libya.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/7/obama-win-doesnt-change-clinton-plans-step-down/

  116. trixta
    November 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    With regard to the HOTAIR article (posted by PM317), I find it difficult to believe that the R/R team was not considering the individual state poll numbers in their calculations. This whole thing stinks to high heaven! But, in an age of E-voting anything is possible.
    ——————————-

    Yeah, I was wondering about that after reading this article. What were the state by state internals look like for Romney? I am sure he got those done. He should release it along with the company which carried it out. Shred their credibility or let them come out and defend their work.

  117. You know Drudge had that big headline “Four more tears” on the election day. It does take on a new meaning now. Was he forewarning us of the impending disaster?

    BTW Politico has a 4 page article on Obamacare and what it might do to us little people when it is fully implemented.

  118. rickya November 7th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    You’re trying to pin as much blame as you can on HRC, apparently because you’ve already decided you don’t trust her any more:
    ====

    “For all we know, she was the one who didn’t want additional security for fear of the Muslims.“

    One thing that we do know is that the State department itself has limited resources at its disposal for security purposes – a small security staff, outside contractors such as Blackwater, and a few Marines or SEALs detached from Defense – and State threw all those resources into the fray. It was not enough. Any further security effort had to come from Defense, i.e., sanctioned by Obama and delivered by Panetta. Despite ample evidence of a coordinated attack and ample time to react, no further resources were committed. This can only be Panetta’s and ultimately Obama’s fault.
    ====

    “Obama’s attitute toward Israel? It is highly probable that she shares those same attitudes too.”

    The US attitude toward Israel is not a one-way street. Israeli attitude toward the US counts too.

    George Mitchell then HRC have both had major problems dealing with Netanyahu, and when Netanyahu refused to apologize for killing 9 Turkish civilians on the high seas, sending Hillary to mend fences with our ally Turkey, Hillary apparently threw in the towel. She hasn’t done anything with Netanyahu since then because there is simply no reasoning with the man.

    The situation may change in January when Netanyahu will probably be replaced with someone more reasonable.
    ====

    “There is no reason to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt.”

    Oh yes there is, as explained above. But then again, time will tell if you let it. The verdict comes at the end of the trial, not the beginning.
    ====

    “To foist an incompetent President upon the world just because you want to be president is evil.”

    I would tend to agree with you in principle, but you are assuming an enormous vile conspiracy by two people who may have motives other than you think. Hillary, for example, wants out of national politics. Just maybe she’s telling the truth?
    ====

    “It could be that everything the Obots in 2008 said about Bill and Hillary Clinton are true. Maybe they are really overly ambitious. Maybe they would sell their parents for another shot at the presidency. Who can really tell?”

    So now you’re calling the Clintons racist? Their parents are dead, can’t sell ‘em, so maybe they’ll be pimping out Chelsea on the campaign trail?

    And is ambition, so valued in business, such an evil thing in politics? I don’t think anyone who has ever run for president, with the possible exception of the first few, could really be anything but ambitious.

    All in all, rickya, I think you’re going off the deep end here. Maybe you’d feel more at home on an Obama site or blogging for Chris Matthews if that is possible. But really, I think it would be best, if you stay with us as I hope you will, that you just leave the Clintons be for now.

  119. I came to Big Pink because admin and the bloggers supported Hillary Clinton.

    Today is pretty painful for all of us, many of us that grew to respect and vote for Mitt feel like we were once again sucker punched by our fellow Americans.

    To come to this site and hear Hillary be blamed and trashed is even more painful.

    Is Hillary any more perfect than any of us are? Does she really deserve to be trashed again, I think not.

  120. rickya
    November 7th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    All of the criticism about Obama’s foreign policy, everyone here attributed to Obama because everyone was a Hillary supporter. But who is to say that Hillary disagrees with Obama’s policies. For all we know, she was the one who didn’t want additional security for fear of the Muslims. Obama’s attitute toward Israel? It is highly probable that she shares those same attitudes too. There is no reason to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt. She hasn’t given anyone any reason to think that she believes differently about Obama’s (their) foreign policy positions.

    If they share Obama’s policies, then both Hillary and Bill Clinton doesn’t deserve any support. If they did it out of political expediency in the service of Bill and Hillary’s ambition to become president, then she doesn’t deserve any support. To foist an incompetent President upon the world just because you want to be president is evil. It could be that everything the Obots in 2008 said about Bill and Hillary Clinton are true. Maybe they are really overly ambitious. Maybe they would sell their parents for another shot at the presidency. Who can really tell?
    ______________

    You are wrong on several counts. There’s no need to argue them here, but Hillary’s position has been clear during her term as senator and again as SOS.

    I get the anger about Bill’s participation in O’s campaign. But I resent the hell out of your saying that anything a damn lying Obama supporter said about them in 2008 was true. They said some of the same about us, her supporters. It’s ridiculous to assume that Bill Clinton all by himself brought this election home for Obama.

    You wanna know what a big part of it was. Some fundamentalist, evangelical Christians, all of whom are Republicans, believe that the Mormon Church is a cult. I hate to even write those words it’s so inflammatory and sickening and stupid. But it’s the effin’ truth. Back in the day, before I saw the light, and got the hell away from a very closed minded (though main-stream affiliated) church with a crazy-ass pastor, this premise was taught in the church. Believe me when I tell you it is taught in others around the country to regular people. That’s one thing that no one wanted to talk about, and I can’t prove it, but I believe that was a big factor. Now, this is a tad crazy, even I’ll have to admit, but when the show Big Love was on – about the polygamous Mormon family that had escaped the compound and lived in Suburbia. Tom Hanks produced it. I thought at the time, even this far ahead, this is a preemptive strike at Romney. The polygamous suburbanites were the sanest and most normal ones on the show. They referred to themselves as LDS – even though the church didn’t like it. But all of their relatives were FLDS and lived on the compound of the damned. There were murders, incest, cutting babies out of wombs, creating babies from some crazy substance. It was wild, but entertaining. But, it did make the Mormons – even the ones who were not in suburbia or the compound – the regular Mormons, look shallow, mean, greedy, etc. Maybe no connection, but it certainly crossed my mind.

    Anyway, bottom line is either Americans are too stupid and concerned to elect someone who is honest and patriotic over a shrill, greedy, do-nothing, race-bating, America-hating piece of shit, or we are to chicken shit to do something about the abuse of power by media and about the voter fraud both of which are responsible for Obama’s reselection. Either way, we are in deep shit.

    Another factor was the Republicans did not get their shit together. They did not try to help McCain in 2008. Hell, I like McCain, but he didn’t even try to help himself get elected. He was the sacrificial lamb, to make up for Bush. They did not try to help Romney a whole lot. Unless and until the Pubs lose that evangelical faction and move to the center, they will be struggling. Plus they haven’t had a soul in the party for a long time with any charisma – Mitt had more than anyone recently.

    I hate to say it, but the collective IQ of Americans is declining – has to be. Judging from the TV shows they watch – Jersey Shore, etc, and the focus on nothing but superficial shit. some of the very young adults are just lacking something. Sorry if that offends. We want fast answers, fast results, no trouble, a free fucking ride in a fancy car. That’s what we all have come to want. Those are not qualities that keep nations great. Those are the qualities that make a bunch of potheads with no jobs ride around from state to state voting for Obama. It’s not about right. It’s about getting what they want.
    I’m sure that’s not the majority, by a long shot, but a sizable portion.

    I thought it odd the whole election that there was no more concern about the cheating. That was one of the biggest things in 2008. We know what kind of thugs these bastards are. They’ve done it more than once. And the sorry ass media WILL NEVER ALLOW OBAMA TO FACE THE MUSIC. NEVER.

    If you want to be mad, and I don’t blame you, it makes more sense to be mad at the media and Obama.

    All of that said. You have the right to believe whateverthehell you want to. But before you go equating Hillary with that POS after what he did to her and to us, please have the decency to dig up some facts to support it.

  121. Thank you shadow. I tried to post a response to that bull shit, but something happened to it. You said it better, anyway.

    I’m sick of this blaming the Clintons. Who are we – MSM? or Rush?

  122. Last year Bush Sr and Jeb Bush went to White House to meet with the Fraud. At that time it was rumored that they went to make a deal with the Fraud that he will be helped now in exchange for Dimocrats’ help in 2016 for Jeb Bush.

    Now it seems that it was true and they got what they wanted.

  123. This site has Hillary’s name on it. The original goal here was to get Hillary elected president. That’s why I started coming here and that’s why I’m still here. If Mitt had won last night, I’d be in in the exact same place politically where I stand now– Hillary 2016. She is better for our country than Obama or any Republican. If she chooses not to run in 2016, then I will support a centrist Dem with similar views.

  124. democrat1 “Last year Bush Sr and Jeb Bush went to White House to meet with the Fraud….”

    Now you see rickya, talking of conspiracies to get into the White House, there’s a story that has legs!

  125. Last night showed that Republicans have a serious “brand” problem. Putting up another Bush won’t help.

  126. Boehner Extends Olive Branch on ‘Fiscal Cliff’

    House Speaker John Boehner offered Wednesday to pursue a deal with a victorious President Barack Obama that will include higher taxes “under the right conditions” to help reduce the nation’s staggering debt and put its finances in order.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49731550

    Let’s see what Jarrett thinks of this.

  127. Jen the Michigander
    November 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Last night showed that Republicans have a serious “brand” problem. Putting up another Bush won’t help.
    ——

    Brand problem is right, how did 2 million less R’s not vote for Mitt?

    What do the R’s think will happen when they stay home, Baracko got their blessing. Even all the Hillary supporters that voted for Mitt wasn’t enough to make up for the R’s that stayed home.

    What are they waiting for? The prefect Raygun again?

  128. From Ulsterman

    Data Points To A Powerful Romney Campaign – And Yet…He Lost.
    by Ulsterman on November 7, 2012 with 0 Comments in News
    Received this link from Insider this afternoon and told to look it over carefully. They remain completely confounded as to how the reported #s and final results appear to directly conflict with data such as appears in this link. THIS DATA IS IMPORTANT SO PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO REVIEW IT AS WELL.
    Here is a brief summary of just how well Mitt Romney did in shifting voters toward him in 2012 versus what took place in 2008:

    Barack Obama netted FEWER Democrat votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.
    Mitt Romney earned MORE Republican votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.
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    Barack Obama earned FEWER Black votes in 2012 than he did in 2008.
    Mitt Romney by the way, earned MORE Black votes in 2012 than were cast for the Republican in 2008.
    Mitt Romney earned MORE votes from both married men and married woman than were cast for Republicans in 2008, while also improving support among non-married men and woman by 2% from 2008 as well.
    Mitt Romney earned MORE votes among liberals, moderates, and conservatives than were cast for the Republican candidate in 2008 – in fact, this improvement was by a full 7% over 2008 – a very significant improvement.
    Mitt Romney earned more votes from Protestants, Catholics, and Jews than the Republican nominee received in 2008, including a 9-point improvement among Jewish voters alone.
    The two top issues according to voters were the economy and the budget. Mitt Romney earned A 38 POINT ADVANTAGE OVER BARACK OBAMA on the top two issues of the election – and yet Romney was somehow defeated.
    Lastly, regarding the following three personal trait issues – strong leader, shares my values, and has a vision for the future, Mitt Romney DOMINATED Barack Obama among 2012 voters by 45 points. And lost the election.

    Here is the link to the data via the Washington Post. It is stunning, some might even say inconceivable, that a candidate improves in such categories as overall votes among Whites AND minorities, is ranked far ahead of their opponent in both the top two concerns among voters, as well as the three most important personal trait issues – and still loses the election.
    That is exactly what happened last night. Somehow, someway…that is what happened to Mitt Romney – and to all who supported him.
    See link below – and the dramatic shift in Republicans’ favor in 2012 vs 2008. A shift the resulted in a confounding loss that remains dubious at best…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/
    ___________________________

  129. I’m with you Shadow,free spirit and Jes; I feel so depressed right now, but I’m still with Hillary all the way until everything is said and done.She’s being an inspiration in my life since she run for pres in 2008, even without known it, she has helped me in a lot of ways with her example of perseverance, fortitude and wisdom, she’s not perfect, but because she’s very normal and very human , those qualities make her extraordinary!
    When she explain her position on issues she ‘s always very clear and makes a lot of sense to me, she’s not a radical and we know that she has disagreed with the amateur several times.Even if she comes out with some responsibility on Benghazi, I’ll support her because all of us make mistakes and only the people who don’t do anything do not make them.She’s so human and so great at the same time.I owe to her my admiration and my gratitude. I’m as sad this time around as I was whe BO won in 2008, so thank you Admin for this site as I won’t be watching TV for a while. God bless you guys.

  130. Shadowfax and jeswezey, i am NOT saying that Bill and Hillary are evil and overly ambitious. All I am saying is that they should not be given a pass everytime a retarded policy from the Obama administration is promulgated. Hillary provided Obama with legitimacy and competence. Bill gave him his superior political skills by campaigning for him. It is high time that they take some of the blame for the disaster that is Obama’s presidency.

    Time and time again, we give the Clintons the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they are working behind the scenes…maybe they fought against this…maybe there is a secret code in what he is saying… All of this is conjecture designed to excuse bill’s actions. We have no evidence that he disagrees with Obama’s policies and plenty of evidence that he agrees. I think all i am waiting for is something more concrete than the suppositions that we make.

    Motivations aside, we can see the results of Bill and Hillary’s actions. The continuation of a disastrous presidency.

  131. From Basil:

    “We are screwed. And now Valjar is out for payback. Against who? Why, us, of course. Just got an appointment for pistol permit fingerprints. Apparently it’s not a minute too soon. Holder will be calling for gun rights laws to be struck down.”

    I hope she comes after us. This election, or more specifically, the fact that Obama can steal another one, and still be hailed as the conquering zero, has put my rage level right off the charts, and I’d love to take a crack at someone who deserves it as much as she does. No gun needed.

  132. rickya
    November 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    I agree. They helped give legitimacy to this disaster in 2008 and in 2012.

    I can not forgive them.

    When Israel is obliterated and Sharia law instituted in many “Western” countries in this world, including ours…will you still forgive them… Judas?

  133. Southern Born
    November 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Jeb Bush in 2016! Surely you jest.

    Jesezey, you said it for many of us.
    “…I will never vote for Jeb Bush. The Dems could put up a 3 week old corpse in 2016 and I would take it over another Bush, especially Jeb. What is this, Bush is American royalty or what?”
    _________________

    You sure did Jesezey! It’s gonna take a whole lot more than a Bush to clean up after Obama. Plus, if there’s any validity to the speculation that the damn Repubs threw Romney under the bus to make way for Jeb, I wouldn’t vote for his ass even if I liked him.

    I know it’s elementary to think that we can put a stop to all, or even most of the corruption that spawns these deals in which a few old has-been power brokers decide who will run this country and how it will be run. But, I’m so damn ready to try it

    And, Jes, I started reading from the bottom of the thread, and didn’t see your well articulated post about the Clintons, at first. Thanks for those wise words. I’m with you.

  134. going to work today was like attending a 9 hour funeral. not only were my gal-pals beyond consolation, the men on my construction site were even worse. one of my sheetrock guys said he wanted to cry. for a contractor to say that to me is unreal. these guys eat nails for breakfast.

    everyone i came in contact with was upset, janitors to managers, male and female. so my question is, who the hell voted for the asshole???

  135. That Ulsterman report is exactly what I have been trying to get at. The math doesn’t add up. The announced election results are bogus. 2 + 2 does not equal 5 unless you’re in obamaworld.

    The data and the results don’t match. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck.

    The election results are BS.

    IMHO.

    Now will that ever come to light? Doubt it. The obots and non-obots alike are good little sheeple. Let’s all just bury the inconvenient truth that the presidential election was a sham the same way we’ve glossed over Benghazzi, F&F, trillion dollar deficits, green energy fraud, golf outings, lavish vacations. LSM lies shamelessly and now if you confess to not believing the lies you’re a heretic. Off with your head. Banished. It is shocking.

  136. And what’s worse is Mitt, just like McCain before him, who also KNEW about the voter fraud, will never contest the results.

  137. Boehner to the POS.

    “This is your moment” and “we want you to succeed.”

    So now the b@stard gets to repeat First Grade, no consequences, no questions asked, just because he’s the affirmative Action incompetent first black prez.

    Nauseating. Absolutely nauseating. Screw the rest of the country just so long as Bronco Bammy’s self esteem remains intact. Poor widdle thing. it was all so much for a skinny little ball=less mankin from Hawaii to get right in only 4 years.

    I am beyond disgusted.

    I refuse to sit down, shut up, suck it up and pretend the big theft did not happen under everyone’s noses in broad daylight and no one did a thing to stop it.

    We have been mugged.

  138. alcina, I came home early because I couldn’t work. Just I was leaving I had to listen to this Obot gloating about making money daytrading yesterday using God Nate Silver’s numbers. It is like what Paglia said — the white professional class gone amok.

  139. The Dim party will never pick Hillary in 2016 despite Bill Clinton’s graveling and there is no way that Obama will be of any help — the fucker would not even mention BC in his acceptance speech. I don’t want her to run again unless there is an absolute guarantee from the current idiot’s Dim faction and the media whores that they will support her — I want a fix like there was for the idiot or at least a total absence of interference from those motherfuckers. I don’t want her to suffer the kind of indignity she had to suffer in 2008. It is all well and good for us to sit here and try to satisfy our whim and fancy of her support. Even if there is no interference from the 2008 perpetrators, majority may not support her because this is a botox country — people don’t get excited about that. I don’t want her to go through another rejection at the polls again.

  140. BASIL99
    November 7th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Boehner to the POS.

    “This is your moment” and “we want you to succeed.”

    _____________________________

    Has America become a monarchy, and we just didn’t get the memo? The concern here should be for the country, not about creating a shining moment for the POS.

  141. Thanks, Basil for the Gaynor – I always like to hear her when I’m feeling like giving up on the world – it’s not so much the words of the song as her interpretation – very essence of pick yourself up and damn the ill winds kind of thing. Something you know a lot about.

    Glad most of you are willing to hold off on judging Hillary till we know more, because I still believe she’s sterling, but I am damned mad at Bill for pimping for that hollow boob and his gangsters. He could have said he’s too old and too tired to go campaigning. And I believe he should have. Ambition is one thing, but not caring about the effect it might have on your country — whoa, that’s real betrayal.
    Next time he asks me to hand him another fat check for his world charity, I’ll tell him charity begins at home. Let him go and ask his good buddy Obummer for a handout. No more from me.

    Those of us in business, the idea of not hiring Obots, I think, is a good idea. So is raising prices for the wealthy Dimwit clientele.

    I do hope ADMIN continues this site – we need all the watchdogs to keep fangs bared at DC and TV. ADMIN is real quality.

    Actually, I have a special fondness for all of you. You each bring something unique yet also representative. This has been a terribly painful day; these have been terribly difficult years, but I think we here, along with half of all Americans (probably way more than half!) carry the real ideals of our country– the spirit of independence is our strength; it’s in our bones. When all the fads in this age of fake are faded, we will still be strong. We will survive.

  142. Gonzo, this is the headline today:

    Muslim Brotherhood: Obama Needs To ‘Accept The Will Of The Arab People’

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/07/muslim-brotherhood-obama-needs-to-accept-the-will-of-the-arab-people/

    There is a Bangladeshi Muslim guy at work — he thinks Obama is Muslim. He is a young guy about 30 and speaks English without accent because he grew up here. He is marrying a woman of age 22 who is in Bangladesh and she repeatedly asks him if he will beat her. He narrates that conversation to others without shame as if it is normal, run of the mill. I wanted to scream. {now there are many young Indian men and women recent immigrants on work visas who are not socially adept here who go back to India to find someone to marry — but this guy grew up here.}

  143. This comment from VTX at UM rings true.

    The vote was rigged, no doubt, but the trick was keeping it close enough for plausibility – that’s where the polls came in. The polls, too, were rigged, so that a couple of hundred here and a couple thousand there wouldn’t be as easy to spot. It’s how you siphon money if you’re a white collar thief – from credit card accounts and banking accounts: you stay small, and work on multiple sources.

    When you look at the corruption at the bottom – welfare fraud (welfare is mostly a fraud anyway) and disability fraud and insurance fraud and work your way up the ladder to corporate fraud and political fraud (Solyndra represents both) then you have a cover for all sorts of deceit.

  144. but I am damned mad at Bill for pimping for that hollow boob and his gangsters. He could have said he’s too old and too tired to go campaigning. And I believe he should have. Ambition is one thing, but not caring about the effect it might have on your country — whoa, that’s real betrayal.

    This is what most of us are complaining about. We are even perplexed about why he did that. This is what rickya alluded to, that we make excuses for BC doing this, reading the tea leaves. I am done reading tea leaves.

    lil ole grape, I have always given generously to BC’s charity, CGI. I was thinking along the lines you wrote. No more. Like you say, I might even write a note in response to his email next time, that he should go ask Obama.

  145. The vote was rigged, no doubt, but the trick was keeping it close enough for plausibility – that’s where the polls came in. The polls, too, were rigged,
    ————-

    basil, I made this point up thread, the suspiciously close polls to enable fraud.

  146. lil ole grape

    Actually, I have a special fondness for all of you. You each bring something unique yet also representative. This has been a terribly painful day; these have been terribly difficult years, but I think we here, along with half of all Americans (probably way more than half!) carry the real ideals of our country– the spirit of independence is our strength; it’s in our bones. When all the fads in this age of fake are faded, we will still be strong. We will survive.
    _______________________________

    log, those are the most inspirational, hopeful words I’ve heard in a while. You are damned right. “the spirit of independence is our strenght; it’s in our bones.”

    If the task of settling this country and forming a nation had been assigned to the Obots, not a single shot would have been fired against the crown. They would chopped up the May Flower, constricted a Starbucks, and sat there until someone invented the internet and trust funds. We got this.

  147. Pm i don’t want Hillary to be made fun of because she isn’t 35 years old, nor any of the sexist comments she and her supporters were stoned with.

    If Bill is well, and if she thinks she can win, she will run…and she is a tough lady, more courage than I could ever muster against these assholes.

    She has a lot going on that only she and her family know about, so if there is too much obama/jarrett dirt she knows of, or if Bill’s health is down, or if she becomes a grandmother…she could just decide to work with CGI and it would be America’s loss and a loss for women to not have her be the first Madam President. No other woman deserves it more than our Hillary.

  148. pm317
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    Gonzo, this is the headline today:

    Muslim Brotherhood: Obama Needs To ‘Accept The Will Of The Arab People’
    **************

    Sad truth is he already does. He is a muslim.

    Boehner needs to STFU if he can not, will not stand up for America. He needs to go .

    I believe many men secretly wouldn’t mind more control over women. It wasn’t that long ago we passed title 9, and for that matter, the vote. There is a real sickness in this world that has permeated this great country. It is frightening.

    How do you forget 9/11 and Daniel Pearl?

  149. Since I feel touched by some of the comments here criticizing those of us that are mad with the Clintons, I feel that I must also express my feelings, not as an apology because I stand by what I have expressed previously, but as a person who has the right to feel deceived.

    I worked my but off for Hillary’s campaign. I have pictures with her, Chelsea and Bill, signed posters, pins, etc. to prove it. I was even in private parties given to the Clintons by one of their biggest donor/supporter and adviser in the Hispanic circles. In other words, people who were very close friends of the Clintons.

    I was a full time member of PumaPac since their beginnings, if you visit my blog, and go back in my posts, you can see that I was one of her biggest supporter and posted all the lies, injustices and media bias aimed at Hillary and Bill. I have every right to be mad at them because what they have done, first by accepting the SOS job and then Bill’s full time campaigning for this inept President, this liar, this traitor and this divider, has been, at least to me, a stab in the back.

    To give you a bit of my life’s history, in my family circles I was considered a leftist (believe me this is bad especially among my Cuban family) because I supported Liberals. Right now, my family is still amazed that I supported, first McCain and now Romney. Yes, I have turned to the center right and I don’t think I will ever go back to being a Democrat and much less a Liberal one.

    If by expressing my disappointment with the Clintons makes me unwelcome in this blog, I will refrain from any future comments and limit myself to just reading yours because I enjoy them and learn from them. We all started together as PUMAS and some of us took other roads and that is OK because that is what Democracy is all about. The good thing I found here, at HillaryIs44, is that we are all mostly different but that we all agree on one thing and that is removing Obama from office. Where we go after we reach our goal is not what is important right now. What is important is that we are all decent people, fighting peacefully together, for the sake of our country.

  150. freespirit
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    If the task of settling this country and forming a nation had been assigned to the Obots, not a single shot would have been fired against the crown.
    —————————————————————-
    They were called Loyalists … there were thousands of them …. many thousands went to Nova Scotia where the Crown gave them land, food, clothing, arms, farm equipment, building materials etc – loads of handouts for being good little followers

  151. None of the blogs are pointing a way froward. We are all shell shocked. I hope in time a leader rises that helps us find our way back. I can’t help but think of the Lord of the Rings and the final battle. Who will be our Gangalf and Aragorn?

  152. You see, this party loyalty screws up the psyche and makes voters dumb. That Althouse commenter whose comment I copied here — he/she said they voted for Obama because he gave them healthcare, stopped wars, blah, blah. OK fine. Take that but he has shown himself to be extremely incompetent when it comes to the economy and jobs. He/she says they are worried about what comes next. Here comes Romney who seems to have all the right experience to tackle the fiscal issues plaguing this country and he wants to take it up as a challenge and show results. For all intents and purposes, he seems like an honest guy and hardworking guy (unlike the other one). The commenter even says he/she likes Romney. So at this point what would a smart person do, hire the guy who seems right for the immediate needs of the job, right? No, he/she has to remain loyal to their fucking party candidate and vote for the nincompoop again. Does it make sense? NO!

  153. Well I have to say this and I’ll most likely not be coming back to the blog. Admin, thank you for the wonderful place to support Hillary.

    That being said, I’m in agreement with Rickya in that Bill Clinton especially was successful in helping drag Obama through the finish line. I’m adamant in my belief that the Clinton magic pulled in many, many votes for the fraud, who even chose to play Bill’s music and then didn’t have the gall to thank him in his acceptance speech.

    As I no longer believe that my views are in line with the Democrat party as it stands now I could not in clear conscience support Hillary again. The big goverment, give away to the thugs who never want or intend to work while I bust my ass, the big spending, the deficits that nobody in the Obama campaign ever addressed, this is just unacceptable to me.

    Hillary or Bill can’t transform the party because Obama OWNS the party now. They helped him keep another 4 years.

    Keep up the fight ya’ll. Love ya and I’ll read and perhaps comment on things non Hillary related but in deference to those of you who still believe she can become President I will not mention my deep resentment of both Clintons any more.

    Hillary would have maybe been a fine President but by endorsing Obama, Bill Clinton defined Hillary in more ways than she ever could. We expected Hillary would govern like Bill and with their stamp of approval on Obama, I have to wrap my head around the fact that her Presidency may have been exactly like Obama’s.

    I can’t take that chance again with my vote or my emotional attachement to a candidate.

    As it stands now, only a handful of states really determine who wins so I most likely will never cast a ballot for President again.

  154. Amarissa
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Very well said. I feel they have betrayed this country.

    By the way, I meant forward, not froward, but I guess you all could figure that oe out.

  155. lil ole grape
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    freespirit
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    If the task of settling this country and forming a nation had been assigned to the Obots, not a single shot would have been fired against the crown.
    —————————————————————-
    They were called Loyalists … there were thousands of them …. many thousands went to Nova Scotia where the Crown gave them land, food, clothing, arms, farm equipment, building materials etc – loads of handouts for being good little followers

    ————————–

    This reminds me of my conversation today with a co-worker. He was quoting Madison in the federalist papers about the more dependent the voters become on govt, the more bastard the democracy becomes (something to that effect).

  156. (National) 11/7/2012 –
    AMERICA’S CLAIRVOYANT ELECTION SYSTEM –

    Perhaps one of the oddest moments of all during last night’s live election coverage was what happened to Karl Rove on Fox Network News.

    With Florida still too close to call and hundreds of thousands of votes still out in Ohio (including a large hunk of votes in Romney strongholds), and with a spread of about 100,000 votes separating the candidates in Ohio, Fox called Ohio for Obama. Karl Rove arranged to come on the Fox network to voice his rebuttal.

    Now, whatever you think of Rove, I think most of us agree that he’s a numbers guy. His numbers didn’t support the calling of the state of Ohio at that point in time. When he explained his reasoning, the Fox anchor quickly shut him down. “It’s a science” he was told.

    Based not on actual votes, but on projections from a single private entity, the National Election Pool (NEP), we were all told what the election results were going to be. When Rove pulled out his notes and calculations, he was basically told “Shut up, this is a science.”

    [read more]

    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

  157. LOL OE…ONE

    DOT, we all have issues now of what to do. We need time to heal, yet we know the forces of evil are on the march. Boehner is Chamberlin

  158. Take it easy, dot48 and don’t withdraw. I concur with most of what you say. You still have a lot of support for whatever you have to say here. You should share what is on your mind and gain some peace of mind. We are not some runaway light weight critics of Clintons or Obama for that matter, much of what we say and do is derived from our deep convictions in fairness, justice and morality (sure I will use that word). Nobody should be pooh poohing that.

  159. Gonzo, Obama will issue more Executve Orders now that EVER before. He’ll circumvent Congress whenever he wants.

    He’s already moved up the EPA deadlines to further cripple my state. My loved ones are all coal miners, coal truck drivers, timber operators, mine suppliers and we are NOT going to survive.

    I am very afraid.

  160. Based not on actual votes, but on projections from a single private entity, the National Election Pool (NEP),

    Maybe they were using (God) Nate Silver’s algorithm.

  161. PM317 this party loyalty screws up the psyche and makes voters dumb.
    —————————————————————————
    I think the screwed up psyche clings to party loyalty –as a facet of identity – that’s why it’s so hard for a weak sense of self to give up that party identity and stand on one’s own ideas and observations – interesting read in re this topic is Eric Hoffer’s classic “The True Believer”
    —————————————————
    PM He was quoting Madison in the federalist papers about the more dependent the voters become on govt, the more bastard the democracy becomes (something to that effect).
    ———————–
    Federalist papers are stuffed with concepts, observations, definitions, etc that we all can find enrichment in by occasional rereading. Those founding founders and framers were really fascinating — certainly throw a revealing light what small shit we have for leaders now!

  162. gonzotx
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    We need time to heal, yet we know the forces of evil are on the march.
    ____________________________________________________

    True words spoken! I am really, really, exhausted, more mentally than physically. I walk around the house like a zombie, my only escape is reading here and in other places words of comfort and hope. I am so mad at all those who voted to give this man another four years that my family is really worried about my mental health. I have been fighting, as all of you, for many long years to prevent him from continuing occupying the people’s House. This time, I was so, so sure that we would prevail, that I find it very hard to accept the reality we are facing once again.

    I hope justice is done and we are able to see him impeached before he destroys what is left of our Democracy.

  163. Gonzo, Muslim brotherhood telling that to a US president — that is what is so shocking to me in that headline.

  164. I too am upset that Bill yanked the donkey over the line…don’t get me wrong. Even when Bill mocked Barry and exposed Him as a weak leader, some Dims used Bill’s campaigning as the reason they voted for the fraud.

    I call Hogwash on this excuse. I bet these same voters would have voted for Barry even if Bill wasn’t in the picture. They were too afraid to vote out-of-party for Mitt, and too ashamed to tell their family and friends that they voted for a Repub or didn’t vote at all. Didn’t want to be a white racist or not accepting enough.

    I also am angry at Christie, but I seriously think that few voters were willing to change their vote for Barry, just because of that mini bromance.

    I am most angry at the media and the O’crooks that BSed another election and keep the truth from the public for the past 5 years….and all the voting fraud that we all know happened.

    The Repubs are pist at the evangelicals and the Tea Folks, hillary supporters are still pist at the rotten half of the Dim party.

    What a mess we are all in when the circus stayed in town.

  165. As usual, there was nothing on TV so I rewatched The Matrix tonight. As I was listening Morpheus’ speech at the beginning, I realized this is what this nation now is…The Matrix of America. Keep us pacified, give us our “stuff”, create the illusion of freedom.

    God bless what used to be the United States of America.

  166. Not only will BO not be impeached, Benghazigate will be swept under the rug just like Fast and Furious has been. At this point with all the “flexibility” BO has in his second term and Valerie Jarret out for the blood of anyone who opposes or opposed the fraud…nothing is going to happen. Deep Throat could not happen at this point in the history of the USA. The BO loving media will not allow it. Even Bob Woodward is too interested in advancing his own career to investigate and report the truth.

    Those who fight for truth, justice and the American way truly are LONE Rangers and doing the right thing in the America we grew up in is “old school” today.

  167. I’m a little depressed about last night. I remember about the threats of riots if Obama did not win. Well the riots did occur, at Wall Street with a big sell off over 300 points on the Dow today. With all the new taxes and regulations coming next year, there will more riots on Wall Street in the near future.

  168. Here is the list of things coming down the pike. (Via NQ) and I think the article was linked up thread.

    http://bonds.about.com/od/Issues-in-the-News/a/What-Is-The-Fiscal-Cliff.htm

    “Fiscal cliff” is the popular shorthand term used to describe the conundrum that the U.S. government will face at the end of 2012, when the terms of the Budget Control Act of 2011 are scheduled to go into effect.

    Among the laws set to change at midnight on December 31, 2012, are the end of last year’s temporary payroll tax cuts (resulting in a 2% tax increase for workers), the end of certain tax breaks for businesses, shifts in the alternative minimum tax that would take a larger bite, the end of the tax cuts from 2001-2003, and the beginning of taxes related to President Obama’s health care law. At the same time, the spending cuts agreed upon as part of the debt ceiling deal of 2011 will begin to go into effect. According to Barron’s, over 1,000 government programs – including the defense budget and Medicare are in line for “deep, automatic cuts.”

  169. rickya
    November 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
    ——————–

    I found nothing wrong with your original post. I do contend that blame being placed om fundamentalist Christians or evangelical Christians in this election is hogwash. Blame should be place where it belongs which was primarily massive vote fraud indicated by numbers that just don’t add up. Secondary blame can certainly be placed on Bill Clinton. He deserves derision. I have little respect ledt for the man and I have stuck up for him in personal conversations throughout the years. He fought against me this time, and that is not forgiveable when the end result is the refraudlection of Barack Obama. As for Hillary, there comes a point where one just cannot gloss over her connection to this obamanible administration. I am beyond weary with what appears to be the “Hillary can do no wrong” beliefs of some. No one is perfect. I know Hillary isn’t. I do not believe in the unDemocratic party anymore, yet Hillary and Bill still seem to do so. I find fault with this. Their “star” power aids the Democratic party which in turn aids Obama and his disciples. It’s difficult to separate the Clinton’s from this equation, and to rationalize all the motives of their actions as being pure and self-sacrificing. There is no doubt in my mind that there is much concern about their own success which can be viewed as being made at the expense of the peons in this country like myself who have no political connections nor the benefits thst these connections bring. The Clintons do not seem to speak for me anymore. Promoting Obama in any way, shape, or form indicates this. I acknowledge the good that they have done in the past, but by the same token, I
    will not attempt to gloss over what I consider as being the bad. Obama=bad. Carry his water in any way, and you risk your reputation doing so. Think Benghazi and Hillary’s comment to the Wood’s family about having the filmmaker of the Mohammed film being arrested even though it jad already been widely known that the connection of the murders in Benghazi to the film was blatant bullsh!t, yet Hillary was still pushing that nonsense. How much more disrespectful could she have been to the Wood’s family to treat them as know-nothings? What the heck was she thinking? Giving
    excuses for her in that situation would be ludicrous, so please don’t even try.

  170. I hope people would still respond after my rant about the clintons. I amdeeply disappointed in them but in the spirit of this site, i will refrain from criticizing the clintons.

    on a different topic, i am just wondering how much do you think romneys mormonism hurt him? IIRC, obama won the catholic vote? Did obama win the evangelical vote too? can this be the reason for the depressed turnout? Did some republicans stay home because they didn’t want to vote for a mormon president?

  171. Did some republicans stay home because they didn’t want to vote for a mormon president?
    ******************

    Hillbuzz asks the same question about Evangelicals and Ron Paul followers.

  172. Shadowfax
    November 7th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
    I am most angry at the media and the O’crooks that BSed another election and keep the truth from the public for the past 5 years….and all the voting fraud that we all know happened.

    The Repubs are pist at the evangelicals and the Tea Folks, hillary supporters are still pist at the rotten half of the Dim party.

    What a mess we are all in when the circus stayed in town.
    _____________________________________

    I am mad at the voters more than anybody else. I think that just as we all took responsibility to inform ourselves on the candidate’s backgrounds, all those that enjoy the power of the vote should do the same. I am amazed that most people vote just because a President looks Presidential, is cute, cool, black, white or because they are promising gifts.

    I tell my friends that if I were a powerful leader I would have all voters pass a test before they vote just as you have to pass a driving test to be given a driver’s license. People’s lives are at stake when you drive, as well as when you vote. If you don’t even know who the Speaker of the House is or who runs the Senate or what laws are being passed or discussed, you cannot vote. Another thing I would do is substitute Electoral Votes with Popular Votes. Enough with the billions of dollars spent on ads on the so called swing states which drive those poor people crazy! Candidates would have to manage with equal limited funds to campaign. No SuperPacs, no outside money and no money from big interest groups. The media would have to, by law, give equal time to candidates to explain what they would do to improve our lives through Public Service Announcements and debates. Social issues would remain State issues. No more talks about abortion, pills, condoms, religion, etc. Each state would have laws that fit their demographics.

  173. Amarissa, sure wish you were a powerful leader and could enact all the ideas you mentioned. I’d vote for you. But with the self interested wussies we have in Congress and the WH and the down right thugs of BO’s administratin and the back room deals with former presidents and other, it “ain’t” gonna happen.

  174. pm317
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    The vote was rigged, no doubt, but the trick was keeping it close enough for plausibility – that’s where the polls came in. The polls, too, were rigged,
    ————-

    basil, I made this point up thread, the suspiciously close polls to enable fraud.
    *****************************************************************************
    basil, pm317…and other friends here…

    …all I have got to say is… Florida is still counting votes…that’s right…they gave out thousands of absentee ballots…willy nilly…when the lines got so long…that they are still counting as of today…thousands more left to count in miami/dade

    Florida is so screwed up that on tonight’s news they showed a reporter talking to a woman who was still in line waiting to vote last night…and the reporter went up to her and told her the election had just been called for O…she was still in line to vote…and did not believe him…but he told her it is true…and then she left

    I kid you not…that’s all i got for today…

  175. “Did some republicans stay home because they didn’t want to vote for a mormon president?”
    ******************

    If that is true then it must also mean that Democrats came out in huge numbers because they wanted to vote for a Muslim president.

  176. Southern Born
    November 7th, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Amarissa, sure wish you were a powerful leader and could enact all the ideas you mentioned. I’d vote for you. But with the self interested wussies we have in Congress and the WH and the down right thugs of BO’s administratin and the back room deals with former presidents and other, it “ain’t” gonna happen.
    ______________________________________________________________

    Well, see, I already have one vote, it’s a start, isn’t it? LOL!

  177. I get the disappointment in Bill, although I’m a little surprised about the anger at Hillary. Regardless, IMO, it’s about respect and support, not worship. I do still respect and support them. I’m not quite as surprised as some about Bill campaigning for Obama. Bill is the voice of the Dem Party. Obama is the leader, who, lacking the ability to reach the crowds, which BC can do like no one else, apparently asked for help. I don’t like it – well I do like the fact that POS had to evoke the name of the “racist” Bill everywhere he campaigned. He eventually had to get Bill to speak for him, and finally, proclaimed he was Bill. I’m sure Bill felt like that was a little karmic installment for the trash talk, lies about him and Hillary in 2008. I love the fact that the Obamanut Clinton haters, and the progressives in the party had to admit that little Barry had to have the help of the real leader of the party, the guy whose wife they threw under the bus. I don’t think Bill or Hillary have forgotten their treatment in 2008. My guess is that there’s more to this than meets the eye – but I don’t think it’s necessarily about a Hillary run in 2016.

    I understand the venting about disappointment in Bill, but some of it has gotten a little vicious and redundant, JMHO. That said. It’s Admin’s blog. Admin’s call.

    I agree with everyone who said that Obama’s “win” should be blamed on those who deserve it: The media, the failure of election officials to do anything to stop voter fraud, and the Republicans for being so stupid, corrupt, and disinterested in the welfare of the country that for two presidential elections, they allowed Obama to occupy the white house – rather than vote for a Republican who didn’t fit their Right-wing mold. How stupid is that. John McCain was too much of a moderate for them, so they allowed an extreme Left-winger to be elected instead. Same with Romney.

  178. Amarissa, gotta start somewhere 🙂

    Come to Missouri in six years and help us get rid of the vile Claire.

  179. Southern Born
    November 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Amarissa, gotta start somewhere 🙂

    Come to Missouri in six years and help us get rid of the vile Claire.
    __________________________________

    Will give it my best shot! LOL

  180. It only took one day. Here we go. The United States of the United Nations:

    “The U.S. Mission to the United Nations helped move a controversial arms trade treaty on Wednesday, less than 24 hours after President Obama won reelection.

    The Obama administration was widely blamed by treaty advocates for derailing the effort back in July when it asked for more time amid growing opposition from Republicans and pro-gun-rights Democrats who are worried the treaty would affect the sale of civilian weapons in the United States. Fifty senators — including eight Democrats — signed on to a letter at the time signaling their opposition to the treaty.

    The U.S. Mission said the timing of the vote had nothing to do with the election. They said it was initially scheduled for last week but was delayed because of Hurricane Sandy.

    “Our objectives for the ATT have not changed,” a Mission official told The Hill. “In particular, we seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout. As we have made clear, we will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms.”

    The treaty sailed through the General Assembly’s disarmament committee on Wednesday, with the United States joining 156 other countries in voting to finalize the treaty in March. Russia was the only major arms exporter to vote against.

    “This is an opportune moment for all countries to get behind this life-saving treaty to prevent needless suffering worldwide from the unregulated flow of illegal arms,” Amnesty International USA executive director Suzanne Nossel said in a statement.

    “The support of five of the ‘big six’ arms-exporting countries, including the United States, sends a powerful message: these countries can find the political will to stop the mayhem that weapons are causing around the globe. Today’s vote is step one toward a hugely meaningful human rights victory. We will be urging the United States and all other countries to keep today’s momentum going towards the final passage of the first arms trade treaty.”

    The Obama administration has said the treaty would not affect domestic arms sales and would merely require the rest of the world to adopt America’s already strong export controls. The treaty would have a hard time being ratified by the Senate, which requires a two-thirds vote, but if the president signs it, that would create some obligations under international law, such as agreeing to refrain from actions that would defeat the treaty’s purpose and goals.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/266687-us-endorses-un-arms-treaty

  181. Here we go, Pt.2:

    “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Wednesday he will push rules changes to limit Republicans’ ability to filibuster proceedings in the next session of Congress.

    To do so, Reid most likely will have to employ a controversial tactic known as the “Constitutional” or nuclear option. Under this scenario, Senate Democrats could change chamber rules by a simple majority vote.

    Otherwise, reforming the chamber’s rules through regular order would require a two-thirds vote of the Senate and need heavy buy-in from Republicans. Democrats will likely control at least 54 seats, and perhaps 55 seats, at the start of the 113th Congress in January.

    Reid said he will not end the Senate filibuster, which gives the minority party the ability to block legislation with 41 votes. Instead, he will curb its practice, most likely by shielding motions to proceed to new business from dilatory tactics.

    “I think that the rules have been abused and that we’re going to work to change them,” Reid told reporters. “We’re not going to do away with the filibuster but we’re going to make the Senate a more meaningful place. We’re going to make it so that we can get things done.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/266623-reid-will-begin-new-congress-by-changing-filibuster-rules

  182. This is the most recent sponsor list for CNN i could find with a quick search. Free Republic had the 2008 list with phone number and addresses, but I don’t know how current it is. It would take a lot of time, people, and effort to actually make a strong statement about media bias – but hitting them where their money is might have some impact. Many of us refused to watch CNN after 2008, and they apparently didn’t miss us. Of course there are other offenders, as bad or worse than CNN. So many idiots – so little time.

    I wish that someone with a good understanding of how the numbers don’t work out would put it all in letter form, that could be sent to all of the newspapers that endorsed Romney – especially the ones who switched to him from Obama. If they all featured editorials about it, at least, it might shake things up a bit. Even if it didn’t change anything for now – which it wont – it might spark a greater effort to demand an end to fraud in the future.

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    Jimmy Dean Sausages
    lawyers Weitz & Luxenburg, NY
    Sudafed
    Video Professor
    Natural’s Cat Chow, Purina
    Merneke Car Care Center
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    Travel Companion on CNN
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    Vonage Phone
    Dyson Vacuum
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    Hyundi Car
    U.S. Buildings
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    Direct TV
    Colonial Penn Life Insurance
    Indulg-a-Bath
    Stop IRS Debt
    HSBC Direct Financial Inst
    U.S. Airforce
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    Steak-umns Burgers
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    Scalpcin
    Mama Lucia Meat Balls
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    eDiets Meal Delivery
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    Citracal
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    Chemistry.com
    Bayer Products
    Old Mutual Investment
    Rogaine
    Verizon (Both)
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    Coldwell Bankers
    Geico
    Jimmy Dean Sausages
    Sudafed
    Natural’s Cat Chow, Purina

  183. I’ve no links available for most of what is in this comment. First stated, feelings which have risen to the top of my own mind:
    1. Bill Clinton has made himself irrelevant.
    2. Any former concept of the power which “We The People” may have thought it had, was greatly diminished on Tuesday evening.
    Second, opinion stated on WPIX by Larry Mendte whom I admire but am shocked recently to find associated with serious scandal. Larry had this to opine during the station’s 5 pm newscast yesterday:

    Obama demonized Mitt Romney and Obama demonized Bain Capital. For whatever reason, Mitt never fought back. It is now unlikely that any other CEO will venture into a presidential fray to lend his/her particular brand of expertise in this country’s path back to economic sanity. Therefore, the Oval Office is bound to continued to be occupied by the political class from this time on.

    Of candidates thought to be in play for 2016 amongst Repubs he briefly, mentioned Jeb … then Gov Christie whom Larry believes damaged himself inexorably by embracing Obama with such gusto during the Sandy photo op last week.
    For Democrat Hillary, it was Larry’s opinion that she may be quite damaged by Benghazi.

    Finally, I’ll heard from Tom Smith, who invested heavily of his fortune and his life to attempt overturning PA Senator Bob Casey. Tom has just emailed his supporters with an expression of thanks, and an unexpected hint that he’ll be looking for other ways to restore America. In that effort, he has provided a chunk of his campaign computer code to collect emails of those who may want to keep in touch with him in the future. It is as follows:
    “Friend,
    Last night, though we came up a bit short, we sent a loud and clear message that we stand ready to fight for the future of this country that we love. Our thoughts and prayers are with last night’s winners. That they may have the wisdom and courage to make the sometimes difficult decisions necessary to keep our nation strong.
    I thank you for your support and tireless hard work over these many months. My family and I are truly humbled by your prayers and well wishes, and your passion has been an inspiration to this campaign.
    While the campaign has ended, our work is far from done. The challenges facing our nation persist – and though they are great, we remain resolved.
    Like you, I love this country and the god given freedom it represents. I know our best days are still ahead of us, and like you, I will not stop fighting for a prosperous future for our children and grandchildren.
    We’ll keep fighting, because this country is worth it.
    Thank you and God bless you.
    Sincerely, Tom”
    To join his mailing list for future inclusion in whatever he’s going to do, go here: http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=0014JH8uEhntBuaM7TDs6k-wA%3D%3D

  184. holdthemaccountable
    November 8th, 2012 at 2:29 am
    Finally, I’ll heard s/b Finally, I’ve heard
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    ?

  185. gonzo, correcting egregious typo from prev. entry
    ———————————————————
    Obama wins with backing from biggest supporters – the media
    By Dan Gainor Published November 07, 2012 FoxNews.com
    It was a big win for President Obama on Tuesday night. Exit polls had him scoring lots of minority votes – African-Americans again voted in huge numbers for the first black president. But the political bloc that most helped push Obama to reelection was the American media.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/07/obama-wins-with-backing-from-biggest-supporters-media/

  186. America…our freedoms are gone…be very afraid…

    Man behind anti-Muslim film sentenced to prison

    By GREG RISLING, Associated Press – 7 hours ago
    LOS ANGELES (AP) — The California man behind an anti-Muslim film that led to violence in many parts of the Middle East was sentenced Wednesday to a year in federal prison for probation violations in an unrelated matter, then issued a provocative statement through his attorney.
    The sentence was the result of a plea bargain between lawyers for Mark Bassely Youssef and federal prosecutors. Youssef admitted in open court that he had used several false names in violation of his probation order and obtained a driver’s license under a false name. He was on probation for a bank fraud case.
    Shortly after Youssef left the courtroom, his lawyer, Steven Seiden, came to the front steps of the courthouse and told reporters his client wanted to send a message.
    “The one thing he wanted me to tell all of you is President Obama may have gotten Osama bin Laden, but he didn’t kill the ideology,” Seiden said.
    Asked what that meant, Seiden said, “I didn’t ask him, and I don’t know.”
    U.S. District Court Judge Christina Snyder accepted the plea agreement and immediately sentenced Youssef after he admitted to four of the eight alleged violations, including obtaining a fraudulent California driver’s license. Prosecutors agreed to drop the other four allegations under the plea deal, which also included more probation time.
    All parties agreed that none of the violations had to do with the content of “Innocence of Muslims,” a film that depicts Mohammad as a religious fraud, pedophile and womanizer.
    However, Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Dugdale argued Youssef’s lies about his identity have caused harm to others, including the film’s cast and crew. Deadly violence related to the film broke out Sept. 11 and spread to many parts of the Middle East.
    “They had no idea he was a recently released felon,” Dugdale said Wednesday. “Had they known that, they might have had second thoughts” about being part of the film.
    He said they have had death threats and feel their careers have been ruined.
    Seiden said his client admits to being the film’s scriptwriter but had no other involvement except what he described as being a “cultural adviser.”
    Youssef, 55, was arrested in late September, just weeks after he went into hiding when the deadly violence erupted.
    Enraged Muslims had demanded severe punishment for Youssef, with a Pakistani cabinet minister even offering $100,000 to anyone who kills him.
    Federal authorities initially sought a two-year sentence for Youssef but settled on a one-year term after negotiating the plea deal with Youssef’s attorneys. Prosecutors said they wouldn’t pursue new charges against Youssef— namely making false statements — and would drop the remaining probation-violation allegations leveled against him. But Youssef was placed on four years’ probation and must be truthful about his identity and his future finances.
    Seiden asked that his client be placed under home confinement, but Snyder denied that request. Youssef will spend his time behind bars at a Southern California prison.
    Youssef served most of his 21-month prison sentence for using more than a dozen aliases and opening about 60 bank accounts to conduct a check fraud scheme, prosecutors said.
    After he was released from prison, Youssef was barred from using computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.
    Federal authorities have said they believe Youssef is responsible for the film, but they haven’t said whether he was the person who posted it online. He also wasn’t supposed to use any name other than his true legal name without the prior written approval of his probation officer.
    At least three names have been associated with Youssef since the film trailer surfaced — Sam Bacile, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and Youssef. Bacile was the name attached to the YouTube account that posted the video.
    “This is a defendant who has engaged in a long pattern of deception,” Dugdale said. “His dishonesty goes back years.”
    Court documents show Youssef legally changed his name from Nakoula in 2002, though when he was tried, he identified himself as Nakoula. He wanted the name change because he believed Nakoula sounded like a girl’s name, according to court documents.

  187. gonzotx November 8th, 2012 at 3:19 am
    “America…our freedoms are gone…be very afraid… Man behind anti-Muslim film sentenced to prison”

    =====

    Given Youssef’s history and the allegations against him, he had imprisonment coming to him, don’t you think?

    He wasn’t tried for making the video, but he could have been, imo – he deceived the actors and they received threats, had their careers ruined. Youssef belongs in prison.

  188. Here is my cheerful thought for the morning:

    Only 4% more to go and Obama and the Dims will have permanent majority — 47% as Romney made it famous, don’t pay taxes and are dependent on the govt for something or the other and only 4% more to go for creating a permanent underclass that would always vote for the Democratic party — yay! we will be like Venezuela or something. 1% per year for the next four years.. There you go, that is Obama’s goal. Of the 47% I want to look at the numbers on really legit population that requires a safety net. I will do that research in the evening but be my guest to dredge up that number/s if it interests you. What is the breakdown for the 47% who don’t pay taxes and why are they stuck in that bracket?

  189. Late military ballots would have swung election to Mitt

    WASHINGTON, DC – Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted, with preliminary counts showing that they would have overturned the vote in several states and brought a victory for Governor Mitt Romney.

    Officials say the ballots were delivered late due to problems within the military mail system. Tracking invoices show the ballots sat in a warehouse for a month, then they were accidentally labeled as ammunition and shipped to Afghanistan. At Camp Dwyer, Marine Sergeant John Davis signed for them and was surprised at the contents.

    “I told Gunny we got a bunch of ballots instead of ammo,” Davis told investigators earlier today. “He told me to file a report of improper delivery and that the chain of command would take care of it. We didn’t hear anything for three weeks. While we were waiting we came under fire so we dumped a bunch of them in the Hescoes. We didn’t dig those ones back out.”

    After military officials realized the initial error, the ballots were then sent back to the U.S. but suffered a series of setbacks.

    Twelve boxes of ballots were dropped overboard during delivery to the USS Kearsarge (LHD-3) in the Persian Gulf, then while the ship sailed to Bahrain, postal clerks allegedly pocketed whatever ballots they wanted.

  190. MARC FABER: Obama Is A Disaster, The Stock Market Should Have Fallen 50%, And You Should Buy Yourself A Machine Gun

    Investment Watch Blog
    Nov 8, 2012

    Marc Faber, publisher of the Gloom Boom, & Doom Report, told Bloomberg Television’s Trish Regan and Adam Johnson on “Street Smart” today that “Mr. Obama is a disaster for business and a disaster for the United States” and that he “thought that the market on his reelection should be down at least 50%.”

    Faber also said “I doubt [Obama] will stay at the presidency for another four years. I think there will be so many scandals” and that investors should “buy themselves a machine gun.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/jim-rogers-marc-faber-obama-is-a-disaster-the-stock-market-should-have-fallen-50-and-you-should-buy-yourself-a-machine-gun-its-going-to-be-more-inflation-more-money-printing-more-de/

  191. 3 of 10 eligible voters put the pos in office

    Here is some math the establishment hopes you never do. Take the popular vote the newly elected president received, and see what percent of voter turnout it actually makes up. You will find that out of all eligible voters, the president is put into power with only between 25-35%.

  192. BASIL99
    November 8th, 2012 at 8:08 am
    Late military ballots would have swung election to Mitt
    **

    Do you have a link for this story?

  193. WILL AGREES WITH Admin all along.;0
    GEORGE WILL: “During the Republican nominating process, the party turned first to one person and then to another to try and avoid what turned out to be inevitable. If there’s a winner tonight, it’s the Senator from Florida, Marco Rubio because all eyes are now going to be turned to him as a man who might have a way to broaden the demographic appeal of this party.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/06/george_will_marco_rubio_is_tonights_winner.html

  194. Well I am confused (as usual). Why there has not been a challenge to the results??
    They are still counting votes in Florida. Thousands of Military votes were not counted??and Christy is allowing people in N.J. to vote until Friday???:confused:

  195. trixta
    November 7th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
    (National) 11/7/2012 –
    AMERICA’S CLAIRVOYANT ELECTION SYSTEM –

    Perhaps one of the oddest moments of all during last night’s live election coverage was what happened to Karl Rove on Fox Network News.

    With Florida still too close to call and hundreds of thousands of votes still out in Ohio (including a large hunk of votes in Romney strongholds), and with a spread of about 100,000 votes separating the candidates in Ohio, Fox called Ohio for Obama. Karl Rove arranged to come on the Fox network to voice his rebuttal.
    &&&&&

    MSM spin on this is that despite Romney being behind by only 991 votes, the more heavily Dem areas’ vote counts were still due in. But this year, there is plenty of Dems crossing over. I know, I am one (just like in 2008).

    It was NOT fair to call it so early…

    If Obama was behind, they would have held off: “A presidential election is TOO IMPORTANT to get wrong, we must get it right”. “Fer christsakes, he’s only a 1,000 votes behind; why are the Romney people pushing for an early call???”

  196. Amarissa
    November 7th, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    I am mad at the voters more than anybody else.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Agreed, millions of people voted to keep the current Resident at 1600.

    However, let’s give kudos to the millions who voted against him.

    It seems it will take a while (or maybe ever?) to determine how many votes for Romney weren’t counted, were disenfranchised, left uncounted in bags, or flipped to Obama via electronic vote theft machines.

  197. I wish everyone would stop with the I’m leaving, I love all the differing opinions. Good god how boring it would be if everyone here was of the same mind set. Am I pissed at Bill Clinton for carrying Barry’skinny little ass over the finish line again you bet I am and I want to know why. As for Hillary love ya but I need to watch and see if your are the person I hope you are. Fit me with a tin foil hat cause a lot things that have happened lead me to believe in lots different conspiracy theories going on.

  198. We’re going to see just how PA got called so early for Oturd, and why the spread was like 6%. MASSIVE vote suppression in Philly, and voter intimidation.

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/171073/voter-suppression-election-day-key-swing-states#

    Voter Suppression on Election Day in Key Swing States
    =============================================

    Ari Berman
    November 6, 2012 – 6:04 PM ET

    This afternoon the 1-866-Our-Vote Election Protection Coalition did another press briefing about voting problems nationwide on Election Day. The major issues are in the key swing states of Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, in addition to New Jersey, which is struggling to cope with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy and has extended voting until Friday at 5 pm. See the links for more information on voting reports in each state.

    Let’s start with Pennsylvania. As I reported earlier, poll workers in the state are telling a number of voters they wrongly need ID to cast a ballot, and voters in Bucks and Montgomery County in the Philadelphia suburbs have been wrongly turned away from the polls. Signs in Bucks, Butler and Erie counties also wrongly told voters they needed photo ID to vote.

    In addition, scores of longtime voters in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have been told they are not on the voter rolls and must cast a provisional ballot. Such ballots will not be counted until up to seven days after the election. Philadelphia City Commissioner Stephanie Singer said the city had received as many provisional ballot requests as of 3 pm today as they had for all of 2008. Barbara Arnwine, executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights, said voters were not on the rolls due to administrative errors or an unannounced voter purge. First-time student voters have also been facing major problems in the state. “At least several hundred first-time voters going to polls near or on college campuses in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are reporting apparently being left off the rolls at the locations on their voting cards and having to vote by provisional ballot,” according to US PIRG. “Additionally, the confusion is creating particularly long lines, further endangering turn out for voters in those precincts.”

    A proliferation of provisional ballots is also a major problem in Ohio. In major counties like Hamilton (Cincinnati), voters are wrongly being told that the address on their voter ID must match their address on the voter rolls or else they must cast a provisional ballot. A proliferation of provisional ballots could determine the outcome and/or delay the results of the election in the Buckeye State, thanks to an eleventh-hour directive by Ohio GOP Secretary of State Jon Husted. In addition, there have been reports of voting machines breaking down in cities like Cleveland and Akron. Students are also being targeted in Ohio. According to Evan Gildenblatt, president of the student body at Kent State University: “Hundreds of students across state have been forced to file provisional ballots, have been intimidated and are being turned away for bogus ID req’s. As student body prez of the second-largest state school, I’m appalled.”

    Florida has experienced long lines, power outages and broken voting machines. In Pinellas County, which includes St. Petersburg, 12,000 voters received a mistaken robocall from the supervisor of elections stating that Election Day was tomorrow. This seems to have an honest mistake and has since been corrected.

    Finally, there have been long lines throughout Virginia, particularly in Democratic areas in Northern Virginia, Richmond and Hampton Roads. Five-hour lines were reported in Chesapeake.

    As of 5 pm, the Election Protection Coalition had received 71,849 calls to its 1-866-Our-Vote hotline.

  199. From above:

    “Barbara Arnwine, executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights, said voters were not on the rolls due to administrative errors or an unannounced voter purge.”
    &&&&&&&&

    Remember, the Dems kept fretting that their voters would be purged (in FL specifically, but elsewhere too).

    It turns out that THEY were the ones purging voters and finding nasty ways to confuse / disenfranchise Republican leaning areas.

  200. guys the vote was stolen.
    many votes that just voted president. republican votes down ticket that voted obama. races that suddenly flipped by 200 straight votes. many irregularities with the voting machines. many stating the voted multiple times and no way to catch them. shredded ballots. and strange numbers when obama is extremely unpopular.

    illarys family was threatened, palin was threatened and its possible mitt was threatened and just folded like a wet paper bag.
    there is a list of 50 death obama related deaths including his step sister and a few weeks ago one of his long time staffers dropped dead like breithart did. red gasping dead.

    dont believe it but too much points to foul play on a national scale.

    lots of info on ulsterman, lame cherry and others on this. tons in His44 alone.

    anyone interested in putting together a package of info all in one place?

    if you look at an aggregate of info over a long time it points to something rotten.

  201. Far be it from me to advance conspiracy theories to explain what happened in our recent presidential election. Frankly, people who do that routinely make me more suspcious of them than of what is happening. But neither do I believe in cooincidences. Not when the competition for power intense, the future of the world is at stake and the capability exists to influence if not determine an election result. Not when, in legal parlayance, there is motive and opportunity.

    Frankly, I was surprised by the election results. They raise in my mind one pivotal question: How does a president with a track record of failure in foreign and domestic affairs–which is obvious to anyone who has been paying attention, manage to win re-election against a candidate who appeared to have the very credentials necessary to rescue the country from the current malaise, and who was in fact prevailing until the very last minute?

    Big media, a less than credible source, claims that the demographics of the electorate have changed. Furthermore, they argue that the Republican Party as a whole is controlled by the Tea Party, which is racist to its core. Not surprisingly, the Tea Party represents a challenge to the power and priviledge of the Washington establishmen of which big media is a part. We should be sceptical their explanations, because they have shown themselves to be bitter partisans in this election. Thus, in legal parlayance, anything they might say on the subject is tainted with bias.

    Republicans offer an entirely different set of explanations. Grass roots Republicans claim that Romney was not conservative enough. That argument assumes that conservative principles are wildly popular in battleground states–which is a dubious proposition. And they ignore the distinct possiblity that in bad economic times, the electorate wants big government. Establishment Republicans offer an entirely diffeent explation. The claim that Romney, who was after all, their candidate, ran a poor campaign, which failed to appeal to Hispanics, and lacked the massive ground game of their opponent. Those explanations fall short as well.

    From my perspective, none of these explanations suffice. They tend to reflect the institutional interests and belief systems of those that advance them, and ignore the possiblity that the entire process is rigged–more than any of us realize. The obvious response is prove it. Tell me who, when, what, why, where, so I can disprove it, and laugh you off the stage. No, I am not going to walk into that trap. As the golfing great Ben Hogan said, when he was asked him about his golf swing: “Dig it out of the ground like I did”. But, if you have the time, interest and inclination, then the following facts and anomolies:

    1. In 2008, John McCain was leading in the polls. Then came the financial crash. Thereafter he lost.

    2. In 2012, Mitt Romney was surging in the polls a week before the election. Then came the hurricane Sandy. Thereafter he lost.

    3. Markets crash like this once every eighty years. Hurricanes devastate the center of our financial and media outlets never before.

    4. Human beings have the ability to cause markets to crash. Soros did this in Britain in 1992, and in Asia in 1998. As Casey Stengel said, look it up.

    5. Human beings have the abiity to manipulate weather patterns. Bush 43 set up a project to generate sand storms in Iraq. Obama has expanded that project.

    6. There is evidence that voting machines in swing states registered Romney votes for Obama. How widespread this was has not been determined.

    7. There is evidence that the vote count for prominent conservative Republican Allen West was changed. That issue has gone to court.

    8. There is compelling evidence that a substantial portion of the campaign contributions of Obama came from overseas, through Roach, et. al.

    The questions here go on and on and on. Either you believe in coincidences, or you do not. If you believe in cooincidences then you will be drawn to one or more of the explanations presented above. And when it happens again, you will do so again, because that is how your mind works. But if these facts make you curious, or even a trifle suspicous, given all that is at stake, then perhaps they will provide a point of departure for rational analysis on your part, and new insights on what is likely to happen next.

  202. the info will be hard to pull upas I never book marked it over the years but the trends tending is there. put all the info in a package or one place and then start sending it out to rush hannity, trump and the like. maybe get the birthers involved in the project as they are incredible detectives. Sheriff Joe Arpaio would also be a good recipient.

    thats about the only thing I can think that we can do. because as long as they can threaten our contenders and steal the vote we the people will never win another election.

  203. so on the conservative blogs the obama datameisters are spinning dissent like crazy.
    romney was not conservative enough. the conservative platform just needs some tweeks its just not quite there.. this one made me think about what the flood of blog comments was really about…

    they are literally flooding the blogs all working for obama to confuse and divide the commentors.

    its a huge problem thats keeping people from figuring things out.

    his data operation is like no other.

  204. it begins:

    Mickey Davis · Top Commenter · Frank L. Ashley
    Lorretta talk about obama.s loyalty.Just had a big layoff at a big air craft plant, and a lot of do nothings got a pink slip.they were all obama people.He told the company not to do any layoffs until after the election. The MSM was told not to mention it either.

  205. the duffle bag is a satirical website please make sure you make a note on that when you post.

    Satirical military news site fools some readers

    By Gina Harkins – Staff writer
    Posted : Tuesday Aug 14, 2012 15:52:38 EDT

    A former Marine infantryman runs a fake military news website — and he does it so well that officials have had to field questions from outraged readers who mistook the stories for fact.

    Former Sgt. Paul Szoldra, of Lakeland, Fla., runs The Duffel Blog, the military’s equivalent to The Onion, a satirical newspaper. He has about 20 volunteer writers who regularly contribute stories from the Marine Corps, Army and Navy.

    “I guess airmen just don’t have anything to complain about,” he joked about the lack of Air Force contributors.

  206. what america needs is early voting where each person can go look at their vote as counted and make sure they its right.
    was nice that my vote was logged but I could not see the results. if it was wrong I could resubmit it by going to a polling place.

  207. I wonder how many of these employees that will be laid off voted for their deal leader that promised this wouldn’t happen?

    ———-

    Boeing Announces Big Layoffs in Defense Division

    Boeing announced a major restructuring of its defense division on Wednesday that will cut 30 percent of management jobs from 2010 levels, close facilities in California and consolidate several business units to cut costs.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49729998

  208. the duffle bag is a satirical website please make sure you make a note on that when you post.
    **

    Thank you. I didn’t know that. I’m very sorry.

  209. (revised, spell checked)

    Far be it from me to advance conspiracy theories to explain what happened in our recent presidential election. Frankly, people who do that routinely make me more suspicious of them than of what occurred. But neither do I believe in coincidences. Not when the control of the government of the United States is at issue. Not when the future of the world is at stake. And not when, in criminal law parlance, there is motive and opportunity.

    Frankly, I was taken aback by the election results. They raise in my mind one pivotal question: How does a president with a track record of failure in foreign and domestic affairs–which is obvious to anyone who has been paying attention, manage to win re-election against a candidate who appeared to have the very credentials necessary to rescue the country from the current malaise, and who was in fact prevailing among credible pollsters until the very last minute? To say the least, it is an anomaly.

    Big media would have us believe that the election result is attributable to changing demographics. That argument assumes that race and gender trump judgment. Furthermore, they assert that the Republican Party as a whole is controlled by the Tea Party, which in the absence of credible evidence, they say is racist to its core. Not surprisingly, the Tea Party represents a challenge to the power and perks of the Washington establishment of which big media is a part. We should be skeptical their explanations, because they have shown themselves to be bitter partisans in this election. Thus, in legal parlance, anything they might say on the subject is tainted with bias.

    Republicans have their own explanations for the election result. Grass roots Republicans claim that Romney was not conservative enough. That argument assumes that conservative principles are wildly popular in battleground states–a dubious proposition at best. In so doing, they ignore the distinct possibility that in bad economic times, the electorate wants big government. Establishment Republicans offer an entirely different explanation. The claim that Romney, who was after all, their candidate, ran a poor campaign, which failed to appeal to Hispanics, and lacked the massive ground game of their opponent.

    From my perspective, none of these explanations suffice. They tend to reflect the institutional interests and belief systems of those that advance them. Moreover, they ignore the distinct possibility that the electoral process as a whole is rigged–to a degree most of us neither realize or understand.

    The conventional response to that statement is really . . . prove it. Tell me who rigged this election and how they did that, so I can disprove what you say, and dismiss you as a tin foil hat. No, I am not going to walk into that trap. As the golfing great Ben Hogan said, when he was asked a question about his golf swing: “Dig it out of the ground like I did”. You might be surprised. Indeed you might even learn something. In that case, the following facts and anomalies are worth mulling over:

    1. In 2008, John McCain was leading in the polls. Then came the financial crash. Thereafter he lost.
    2. In 2012, Mitt Romney was surging in the polls a week before the election. Then came the hurricane Sandy. Thereafter he lost.
    3. Markets crash like this once every eighty years. Hurricanes devastate the center of our financial and media outlets never before.
    4. Human beings have the ability to cause markets to crash. Soros did this in Britain in 1992, and in Asia in 1998. As Casey Stengel said, look it up.
    5. Human beings have the ability to manipulate weather patterns. Bush 43 set up a project to generate sand storms in Iraq. Obama has expanded that project.
    6. There is evidence that voting machines in swing states registered Romney votes for Obama. How widespread this was has not been determined.
    7. There is evidence that the vote count for prominent conservative Republican Allen West was changed. That issue has gone to court.
    8. There is compelling evidence that a substantial portion of the campaign contributions of Obama came from overseas, through Roach, et. al.
    9. Would a mind that is capable of dropping bombs on a civilian population have moral compunctions against crashing markets and creating storms?

    Either you believe in coincidences, or you do not. If you believe in coincidences then you will be drawn to the conventional explanations presented above. And when it happens again, you will do so again, because that is how your mind works. But if these facts and anomalies make you curious, or even a trifle suspicious, given all that is at stake, then you may get the sense that maybe–just maybe, you are not getting the straight story from the elites. These days, from Chief Justice Roberts to the Obama Administration, the Constitution is honored more in the breach than in the observance. But if enough people wake up to what is happening then there is hope.

  210. Greta was baffled last night about her home state Wisconsin voted for a Republican legislature (with Republican Gov Walker at the helm), but somehow voted for Obama for President. Such a result doesn’t make any sense to me either.

  211. wow lamecherry is really going this morning. she may be a religious and offensive sometimes but she is damn interesting this morning.

    2012 Election Theft Thread

    My children, did you know there is an amazing discovery in Blogspot just requires brats to have a Google account and then they can rise up and type things in anal English, about all the things they think they know and by magic no on will care about what the brats type or say no more than the fill space which you pollute on monetized sites……….

    I digress………

    Apparently the White House Insider and Wall Street Insider need some assistance as my blog is too difficult to decipher in things like the algorithms Obama used to steal the election for John McCain repeated in the same numbers for Mitt Romney.
    I would be more plain in this in breaking this story on election eve by God’s Grace but the problem would be……………I do have my limits in how stupid I can communicate.

    Let’s sing…….

    or let’s not…….

    From the desk of the Tiger Lily.

    To understand what took place in the Obama 2012 election theft that the WHI is now attempting to hijack as a story in his and or her meanderings of sifting numbers in never once mentioning Scytl, SOE or Argentina Euro voting machines all covered here, one has to know something which is difficult if one is an idiot whose keyboard is constantly typing out things, instead of utilizing their eyes to read information.

    Andrew Breitbart.

    Karl Rove

    Barack Hussein Obama

    My children, I will exclude the brats as Lame Cherry has instituted a new policy in all the sifters here who are too anal college degree in setting up their invalidated validity, must now donate in pennance for all the smears they post, as I will inform you my children if you are seeing posts about me which are attacking what goes on here, those types have not donated anything, and they are busy stealing things found here, begging for attention and waiting for widows with mites, to once again pay for their college tuition as they act superior.

    Let’s sing……….

    No let’s not as the above is too important to do anything else.

    When George H. W. Bush faced his Lawrence Walsh October Surprise in indictments of his administration to install William Jefferson Blythe Clinton into the White House, a young George W. Bush who had numerous messiah or good son complex issues, decided to win one for pappy.

    A young fag became enamored of W. and his name was Puffy Lips Karl Rove, who had an alter ego named Puffy Cheeks Barry Chin who was enamored with W. too. Yes if George W. Bush had just invited B. Hussein over to the White House and let the terrier hump on Obama’s leg, none of this would have taken place.

    Where was I in another matter anti matter exclusive in all things in time always are proven right here……….

    Say, why is it the Insiders can say all sorts of things like there was going to be a challenger to Obama from democrats and we were all supposed to follow it all back to Chicago……..and none of it came true, but all the brats keep tuning in and never asking who is feeding the insiders gossip information meant to delude the public, as this blog questioned long ago.

    That’s right, this blog is always wrong……….yes, that will be a donation price of 50,000 dollars for all the brats or they can register for blogs of their own, not by God, which no one will care to read.

    Where was I?

    Oh yes, so W. goes in with the Architect, Puffy Lips Rove, and they make all the charts the WHI is going over and they win one for Pap Bush over Al Gore, in a horrendously horrid election where a normal campaign adviser could have won over Gore by 20 points due to Clinton fatigue.

    So not to trust to Karl’s idiocy again, the Bush camp decided to employ that infamous black box voting which was quite black box, and if you recall in 2004, John Kerry’s people had numbers which showed him trouncing Bush until the “numbers” came in………..Karl Rove’s numbers.
    Yes George W. Bush stole the 2004 election by Karl Rove.

    That is why Norm Coleman and other GOP candidates were partly thrown under the bus when democrats cheated as the insider information was out, that Rove had rigged the electronic voting machines.

    That is why there was the mad push in Europe for Scytl and SOE in America to be gained control of by the cartels who have been busy installing communists across the globe, including the lovely Puffy Cheeks Barack Hussein Obama.

    Follow this now, as Karl Rove in being caught, initiated an agreement where his fraud would be hidden and Barack Obama’s election theft would be hidden, all so it would come down to a 2016 election of Hillary Clinton versus Jeb Bush.
    That is what this has been about and has only been reported here. It is the reality as each of these events begin to unfold. America has no free elections any longer, the 2016 elections prove everything posted here as correct.

    So a certain Jewish Conservative guy named Andrew Breitbart just happened to have some disgruntled person whose identity will remain their identity give them some information from things about bin Laden’s corpse, to that reality that Barack Obama flipped 10 million votes from John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.
    Breitbart was assassinated over this, as it would have exposed thee entire rigged system for the past 30 years and how it all started with the cartel’s choice of Bill Clinton over Prescott Bush’s wee lad, HW.

    It was the original 10 million vote flip over McCain, because Bush Rove hate McCain for his not taking his beating like a good soldier in 2000, which started the revelations in this, in Strawman Romney, being fed his Mormon ego, dined on it to another defeat as Rove had orchestrated a decade ago.
    In reality, Karl Rove should not be called an architect, but a demolition machine as he destroys more effectively everything he touches and barel ever wins anything.

    Mormon Romney thought he could play this game, but was led out as much as the Wall Street Insider in their arrogance. The 2012 election was fixed, just like the 2016 election has already been set.
    Now who was it that was pointing all the candidate fingers at Lil Jeb, when it looked like he would never rise to anything, but this blog…….yes this blog.

    All of this comes full circle, and 2012 was another preparatory run in the algorithms of John McCain’s numbers from 2008.
    This blog exclusively laid all this out in Scytl, in it’s Spanish founders murder, and how the software which runs all of this is based on casino gambling software which spots trends in betting.
    That is what the 2012 election was to the software in the ballot boxes in it was to make the “house” which is Obama the winner, no matter what the percentage was, as the percentage was set that a certain number of winners in a casino would be fed to make the masses think they could win. With Obama running the McCain program, it required vote suppression as the fury over Obama in America, would blow the margin as this blog stated.

    I warned of the California gas price spike was to reduce the Obama margin for stealing or flipping votes. Obama’s contractors though were ready for this in Obama reduced election output to his fictional numbers based on the original McCain codex.

    That is why Al West in Florida had 5000 votes flip in not matching the the count there. GOP Conservatives like Todd Akin who won the election were written off in the hard ballots do not matter, as the system was rigged to specific areas all to flip the elections in test areas to keep Obamacare active.

    What 2016 is, is but the child of 2012 in the reality is, in 2012 was a prototype of 2004 in how not to just steal the Presidency, but how to steal every election in America so the cartel picks every UN candidate running for office.

    Now all of this is too exclusive really and it is why “someone” has been most interested in the blog and apparently posting when I did not post in “re evaluating” things in cleansing what appears.

    All of this ties together and is tied together. It is why when Breitbart went puffy pink no one on the right in Mockingbird said a word as it would undo the whole thing as much as anyone is not allowed to mention Scytl, save this blog.

    The reality is this blog has broken all of this wide open, and yet it is the types who read magazines in the check out, but never buy them who are revealed for what they are. In their little idiot boxes they never seem to consider how many times my life has been in danger, as they are cowards who hide behind the screens.
    The powers that be who murder people, who throw people in prison who send state police to lie in wait, know completely who Lame Cherry is. That is enough as those are the ones who matter in this world and continually stalk this popular girl.
    If three things happened to any of the detractors of this blog which I have had the displeasure of dealing with, they would be hiding under the seat cushions. I answer to God though and do this as long as He wills.

    The always experts are the experts always. If one is too stupid to figure things out nor is wasting their time trying to be an expert on this popular girl, Star Trek awaits as perhaps you can speak Klingon.

    Enough of the cryptic revelations…….she’s laughing at the joke and I’m too slow.

  212. sirmrks November 8th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    This is lame cherry?

    “…all so it would come down to a 2016 election of Hillary Clinton versus Jeb Bush….”

    Where does lame cherry get this stuff? I don’t follow it at all.

  213. lamecherry is a nut but after folling her for a while she is amazing.

    I think she has a neural net pulling info off the net from all ver and putting it into a framework.
    if you scan enough in for you can start to see trends. I have a little trend ability.

    one thing to note on trend spotting is the flood of new blog posters on the conservative websites all suggesting how to change the republicans and how romney was good but not good enough to vote for.

    I tell you it is a flood of concern trolls who really are obama datameisters spinning their webs of deceit.

  214. is anyone interested in putting together a data package of what happened to the election?
    or what obama is doing?

  215. sirmrks
    November 8th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    wow lamecherry is really going this morning.

    ——–
    This isn’t the first time Lame Cherry has scared the crap outta of me.

    I read the whole Karl Rove/ Donna Brazillnut stuff before the primary election in 2008 and it was creepy but could have been very true.

  216. This is a devastating loss not just for those who fought against disaster of a President but for ALL Americans. All we can do now is observe and remember. We should never forget those who aided and abetted this clown. Someone needs to list Obama’s major supporters and document everything that they have done to support Obama. The right time will come when we can hold it against them. This election will have major consequences. I just hope that it does not include a Great Depression. But if a second recession comes, we should be holding Obama’s supporters feet to the fire. We should include the media people and the celebrities who supported him. We should also hang it on those who voted for this charlatan.

  217. Drone not hit and Obama protested the incident.. The State Dept through the Swiss dept yelled at Iran, ROFLMAO….The big bad dem’s…I will never support this sick party

  218. There have been articles and comments on Republican leaning websites and blogs exhorting republicans to stand ready and fight Obama policies that will ruin the country. I say that this is the wrong approach. I think that the best thing for the Republican Party to do is to give the Democratic Party everything that they want. That way, the Democratic Party can not accuse them of being obstructionist.

    Remember during Bill Clinton’s presidency? It was because of the Republican policies that the country grew. But did they get any credit for it? No. Bill Clinton was successful in co-opting all of it. What needs to happen is for Obama to be successful in enlarging the government further so that the country goes into ruin. If Republicans offer any resistance, Obama can always blame them for the predicament and the stupid people who voted for him will just lap it up. If however, the Republicans become successful and the country becomes successful, Obama can just always take credit for it.

    Elections have consequences and the Republican Party should allow the consequences to happen.

  219. Cute photo of Hillary…

    Politico: Bush vs. Clinton 2016!

    Politico, living in a dreamworld of its own making, is already forecasting the 2016 election – and they’re suggesting that Jeb Bush may be the Republican nominee, squaring off against Hillary Clinton. Now, this is a business that Dick Morris should have discredited long ago, when he predicted a 2008 race between Condoleeza Rice (never ran) and Hillary Clinton (lost to Obama during the primaries).

    But if Politico truly thinks that Republicans are ready to embrace a moderate governor of Florida who is soft on most of the issues conservatives care about, especially in the aftermath of two brutal defeats of GOP moderates, they have another think coming. George W. Bush is the model Republicans want to avoid; without Bush, there would have been no Obama. And it’s time for Republicans to tap their bench. But Politico continues to dream of a regressive GOP intent on re-embracing its failures.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/08/Politico-Jeb-Bush-Hillary-Clinton

  220. sirmks,

    Lame cherry cracks me the heck up when (s)he is not laying out some fascinating info.

    In today’s article when (s)he kept saying:

    “Let’s sing,’ I had tears running down my face.

    And yes, I’d be interested in your project.

    You can contact me at hawke at mhcable dot com.

  221. wbboei,

    Clearly I agree with your POV. The election was stolen. I did not feel this in the 2008 general ( although HRC was robbed during the primary) but this year’s results are total BS and don’t pass the smell test.

    I also agree with Carol. Something big is going down.

  222. I feel the same way Rickya. The Republicans in the house should just vote present, don’t pick a side, so they can’t use it against them in 2014.

    Boehner is negotiating with Richard Trumka for goodness sakes, regarding the debt ceiling. They want to kick the can down the road again.

    Let the Bush tax cuts expire, lets see how people feel when more is taken out of their paychecks. Allow obamacare to bankrupt the country. Let them have it, the fools voted for it.

    rickya
    November 8th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    the Republicans become successful and the country becomes successful, Obama can just always take credit for it.

    Elections have consequences and the Republican Party should allow the consequences to happen.

  223. Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week’s elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

    “We’re so far gone. We’re over the cliff,” the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop” program. “We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things.” The video can be seen at http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ron-paul-on-fiscal-cliff-and-vows-to-compromise-MYkAiqYBTaiHwXZL9Tvxkw.html.

    Mr. Paul, who is retiring after 12 terms in the House, said voters on Tuesday rejected Mitt Romney because he had opposed the government bailout of General Motors and Chrysler.

    “The people in the Midwest voted against him: ‘Oh, we have to be taken care of!’ So that vote was sort of like what we are laughing at in Greece,” Mr. Paul said.

    “People do not want anything cut,” he said. “They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don’t believe that we’ve gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with some magic solution. But you can’t have a budgetary solution if you don’t change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to police the world and run this welfare state, all we are going to argue about is who will get the loot.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/8/ron-paul-election-shows-us-far-gone/

  224. Dick Morris is a limp you-know-what and is only out to promote himself.

    Personally, I don’t believe the turnout projections were wrong. I believe the vote was rigged.

    Here’s an interesting POV from an UM poster:

    “So it is official the Dem participation was way down overall. Now tell me how it is that every single polling institute had O barely tying Romeny with a max advantage of dem participation, and yet on election day O won with a diminished participation.”

  225. Yup Basil

    The only thing that makes sense is the votes were rigged. Either by the voting machines, the military votes burned in a chopper, some arriving too late, and any scam they could think of.

    Barry did not act like he was going to win, tears and all, then what…zippo, Sandy strikes and hugabugs from Christie and they you have it, a win for the cheater…again.

  226. The main question during this election was “are you better off now than four years ago” Just about everyone I know agrees it was easy to answer NO.

    Still cannot wrap my head around how he won. I do think it was stolen and America is a country far the worse.

    About the military votes, is there not a way that Romney/Ryan could sue for those votes to be counted since it was the governments faults they set somewhere and no one noticed??? Don’t you think it’s strange that the military will not have their votes counted AND that they ended up just sitting somewhere.

    Why was nobody questioning this and WHY did they just turn up the day after election.

    No way did Romney lose people. This is a fraud once again perpetuated on the American people. Just like the last 4 years. God how are we going to go throw another 4 years and the damage he can do. What awaits us???

    I prayed more prayers for Romney to win than I’ve ever prayed in my life. Now I pray for the country, we are in the shitter.

    8 years of total disaster.

  227. BASIL99
    November 8th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
    sirmks
    And yes, I’d be interested in your project.

    sadly I am not an organizer but a sifter of information and have some trend identification skills.
    we would need a leader who can post benchmarks and assignments.
    I used to have a ton of stuff bookmarked to do this for Hillary but those have long been lost do to computer issues.

    we need someone tcan rally around people to get excited about producing a data packet then can be sent to media and other who are objective. the info can be a little way out there like WHI/ulsterman/lamecherry whogood at posting pieces of truth that can spark others to question the status quo.

  228. Questions from Hillbuzz

    Did the “Ron Paul Revolution” Stay Home Last Night?

    I haven’t seen anyone ask this yet, so I will: did the Ron Paul Revolution stay home last night?

    Mitt Romney won 3 million votes less than McCain while Obama lost 10 million votes of his own from 2008.

    Where did those 3 million McCain voters go?

    The main part of why I believed Romney would win this time because I knew the 10 million Obama supporters would sit home…but never in my worst nightmares did I imagine McCain voters would sit home. I counted on them to show up and bring friends this time to boot Obama out.

    The only thing I can think of is this:

    * Ron Paul supporters sat the election out because Dr. Paul because the conflict regarding the convention and the other delegate issues

    * Evangelicals went through with their threat to sit home because Romney is a member of the LDS Church

    And these two groups thought allowing Obama to have a second term was worth sitting home.

    Is that what happened?

    I never thought that was a realistic possibility because I can’t imagine ever allowing the Left to not just maintain power but actually expand their reach…but that’s what happened last night.

    Have you seen anyone crunching numbers to explain this today?

    The Ministry of Truth will say “oh, it was all about Hispanics!” but that is a red herring. That doesn’t explain dropping three million votes below McCain and a total of five million votes from Bush in 2004.

    Ron Paul supporters seem to explain that first drop from Bush’s 2004 numbers, sitting out to the tune of 2 million when McCain ran in 2008…and then sitting out even more this time; perhaps it’s a combination of Ron Paul people and Evangelicals who sat home “to teach everyone a lesson”.

    That’s an expensive lesson if this is right.

    Read more http://hillbuzz.org/

  229. There is no doubt the election was close, especially in the swing states. And I would not doubt that the Obama thugs could have rigged it. But that was the responsibility of the Republican Party and they should have been on it. George Soros has Billions of dollars (thanks to BO) to spend and getting a couple of 100,000 votes here and there is well within his means. Just like those “unitemized” campaign donations.

    If the repubs are unwilling to call for audits and recounts, then there is nothing to be done. Romney was over a million votes short on the popular vote.

    Of course I dread another 4 years of Obomination, but the truth is that Romney’s energy policies are bad for the nation, too. Just another way of robbing the future. Romney is a good guy and made Obama look like the low class jerk that he is. It is better to let Ofucktard continue and show what an incompetent ass he is. Hopefully that will not make people too turned off the Dems to vote for Hillary.

    Face it. The damage was done in 2008 when the Democratic party bosses took the nomination from Hillary and gave it to the stupid soros surrogate. The entire country is paying for it and Soros is racking up Billions.

    Take care and stay amused.

    The Dow Jones dropped 313 yesterday and another 125 today.

    Must be Romney’s fault.

  230. freespirit
    November 7th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    You are wrong on several counts. There’s no need to argue them here, but Hillary’s position has been clear during her term as senator and again as SOS.

    There’s no need to argue them??? Or you can’t bring any examples. Her positions when she was a Senator is irrelevant to the discussion. What are her positions as SOS that is opposite to what Obama is espousing?

    I get the anger about Bill’s participation in O’s campaign. But I resent the hell out of your saying that anything a damn lying Obama supporter said about them in 2008 was true. They said some of the same about us, her supporters. It’s ridiculous to assume that Bill Clinton all by himself brought this election home for Obama.

    All I was referring to was the accusation that Bill and Hillary are overly ambitious. How can we explain Bill helping Obama? It is one of a few things: (1) He agrees with Obama’s policies (2) He wants Obama to win so Hillary can be President (3) He wants to moderate Obama from within. I want to believe that the answer is number 3 but where is the evidence that that is the case. That is all that I want, evidence.

    You wanna know what a big part of it was. Some fundamentalist, evangelical Christians, all of whom are Republicans, believe that the Mormon Church is a cult. I hate to even write those words it’s so inflammatory and sickening and stupid. But it’s the effin’ truth. Back in the day, before I saw the light, and got the hell away from a very closed minded (though main-stream affiliated) church with a crazy-ass pastor, this premise was taught in the church. Believe me when I tell you it is taught in others around the country to regular people. That’s one thing that no one wanted to talk about, and I can’t prove it, but I believe that was a big factor. Now, this is a tad crazy, even I’ll have to admit, but when the show Big Love was on – about the polygamous Mormon family that had escaped the compound and lived in Suburbia. Tom Hanks produced it. I thought at the time, even this far ahead, this is a preemptive strike at Romney. The polygamous suburbanites were the sanest and most normal ones on the show. They referred to themselves as LDS – even though the church didn’t like it. But all of their relatives were FLDS and lived on the compound of the damned. There were murders, incest, cutting babies out of wombs, creating babies from some crazy substance. It was wild, but entertaining. But, it did make the Mormons – even the ones who were not in suburbia or the compound – the regular Mormons, look shallow, mean, greedy, etc. Maybe no connection, but it certainly crossed my mind.

    I suspected as much.

    Anyway, bottom line is either Americans are too stupid and concerned to elect someone who is honest and patriotic over a shrill, greedy, do-nothing, race-bating, America-hating piece of shit, or we are to chicken shit to do something about the abuse of power by media and about the voter fraud both of which are responsible for Obama’s reselection. Either way, we are in deep shit.

    Agreed.

    Another factor was the Republicans did not get their shit together. They did not try to help McCain in 2008. Hell, I like McCain, but he didn’t even try to help himself get elected. He was the sacrificial lamb, to make up for Bush. They did not try to help Romney a whole lot. Unless and until the Pubs lose that evangelical faction and move to the center, they will be struggling. Plus they haven’t had a soul in the party for a long time with any charisma – Mitt had more than anyone recently.

    Agreed.

    I hate to say it, but the collective IQ of Americans is declining – has to be. Judging from the TV shows they watch – Jersey Shore, etc, and the focus on nothing but superficial shit. some of the very young adults are just lacking something. Sorry if that offends. We want fast answers, fast results, no trouble, a free fucking ride in a fancy car. That’s what we all have come to want. Those are not qualities that keep nations great. Those are the qualities that make a bunch of potheads with no jobs ride around from state to state voting for Obama. It’s not about right. It’s about getting what they want.
    I’m sure that’s not the majority, by a long shot, but a sizable portion.

    Agreed.

    I thought it odd the whole election that there was no more concern about the cheating. That was one of the biggest things in 2008. We know what kind of thugs these bastards are. They’ve done it more than once. And the sorry ass media WILL NEVER ALLOW OBAMA TO FACE THE MUSIC. NEVER.

    If you can’t protect against cheating, then you deserve to lose.

    If you want to be mad, and I don’t blame you, it makes more sense to be mad at the media and Obama.

    I am mad at them too but I won’t make excuses for Bill and Hillary.

    All of that said. You have the right to believe whateverthehell you want to. But before you go equating Hillary with that POS after what he did to her and to us, please have the decency to dig up some facts to support it.

    The fact is that Hillary is still with Obama’s administration. There is no evidence that she disagrees with any of his policies. I will not read tea leaves so I can discern her real intent. All I know are the results. Obama is still President and will continue with his disastrous policies.

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