Brass Knuckle Mittens: Romney KO Of BO At Final Florida Debate FP Fight

Update II: Big Media “fact checkers” deride “the apology tour” label because they say Obama never used the word “apology”. We remind them Neville Chamberlain never called his policy “appeasement” but that is what it was and the consequence was a World at war.

Here is the best exchange of the debate when Romney calls out Obama:

“I think they looked and thought, well, that’s an unusual honor to receive from the president of the United States,” Romney said. “And then the president began what I’ve called an apology tour of going to nations in the Middle East and criticizing America. I think they looked at that and saw weakness.” [snip]

“Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey and Iraq,” he said. “And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations. And, by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. And then in those nations and on Arabic TV you said that America had been dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations.


Update: Lot of Wrap up: The third debate reactions coming in. Chris Wallace gets it:


As we wrote, this “debate” was never going to be a discussion about foreign policy. This debate was about “getting votes”. Mitt Romney understood Obama wanted to smear him, as Obama smeared Hillary Clinton, by denouncing Romney as a warmonger.

By calling Romney a “warmonger” Obama hoped to get the women that have fled from his incompetence and damaged economy back to voting for him. Romney frustrated Obama and proved himself reasonable and rational.

During the “I killed Bin Laden” section, Obama threw Joe Biden under the bus by reminding everyone that Biden was opposed to the kill Osama operation by Navy Seals.

Romney did not just play “defense”. Romney struck blows against Obama policies around the globe.

If Obama is to be believed, we live in the most wonderful of all possible worlds and all those problems we see around the world are not happening.

Romney in his best moments mentioned the turmoil in the Middle East as evidence of Obama’s failures. Romney’s brass knuckles pummeled Obama on the obvious reality that despots watched Obama snub Israel, bad mouth Neyanyahu, stay silent on Iran’s Green Revolution, sashay on apology tour after apology tour and insult American history as polices as a country that “dictates”. [We’ll provided videos as soon as they are available. Tweets of the debate can be read at the Professor’s place. Reaction of others are available at the HotAir open thread: The third debate and other websites tracking this debate.]

Romney even reminded the nation of “no preconditions” Obama of 2008. Romney assaulted with these facts in Boca Raton with its large population of Jewish Americans that are well informed on Obama perfidy in the Middle East and ugliness against Israel.

Romney also returned time and time again to the need to have a strong economy if we are to have a strong military and a nation respected and effective around the world. Throughout Romney appeared “presidential” – confident and happy to engage the nation on his views.

Obama repeatedly attacked Romney on the auto industry. Romney shattered all these lies by noting he was born in Detroit and his father ran an auto company. Romney smashed Obama’s investment in auto companies in other countries as well as bankrupts such as Solyndra.

Obama repeatedly attacked Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney replied that attacks on him as a presidential candidate are not the answer and that Obama should provided solutions not attacks.

Obama ended with more promises similar to promises unfulfilled. Romney ended by saying that he can do the job because he has the experience and record of accomplishment on these very issues.


384 thoughts on “Brass Knuckle Mittens: Romney KO Of BO At Final Florida Debate FP Fight

  1. Krauthammer:

    Mitt won tactically and strategically.

    Mitt went large, the POS went small.

    Staying away from Libya helped Mitt.

    High points: leveled charges of the apology charge. Said, “We don’t dictate to other nations, we liberate to them.”

    Mitt looked presidential, the POS did not.

  2. I did check but I couldn’t find any CNN poll.

    FWIW, I agree that Romney needed to look presidential, to not make any unforced errors, and to avoid saying anything that would allow Obama to characterize him as a warmonger. He accomplished that and then some.

    Does anyone have an opinion on whether we might see another post debate bounce or is that unlikely given that this was relatively boring.

    Yeah, Krauthammer says Romney won!!!

  3. “couldn’t find any CNN poll.”

    My guess is CNN is waiting for OTurd and his camp to tell them how big OTurd won.

  4. 2girls, Romney will get 1=2 points. There can not possibly be many undecideds. Probably “soft” supporters were swayed tonight.

  5. Mitt Romney understood Obama wanted to smear him, as Obama smeared Hillary Clinton, by denouncing Romney as a warmonger.

    I remember while walking on the main street in downtown Santa Cruz during the primary 2008, there were a bunch of women, older, wearing black and protesting the wars (and Bush). I asked one of them what they thought of the primary, Hillary and Obama. One of them was so against Hillary and her indignant words were something like ‘she(Hillary) wants to obliterate Iran!’ I try to reason with her but it was futile. So Mitt understood how Obama wanted to paint him tonight and he was not going to allow it.

  6. Took a peak at CNN.

    The guy with the magic electoral map (John Knight) played with several scenarios and left it at R 248, Obama 247. Ooooh isn’t that pretty.

  7. Frank Lunz’ group is awarding points to the POS on foreign policy and to R on the economic aspects of foreign policy. I strongly disagree.

  8. I like how Romney is surrounded by his family at the end and the Obamas look lost. The dynamics are such that they leave sooner than the Romneys and that is less face time with the audience. Tonight Ann R. lingered long enough on the stage greeting the people that Romney came back to get her and the crowd roared. I remember in the townhall debate between Obama and McCain last time, the McCains looked lost at the end and left and O and MO lingered to shake hands with everyone.

  9. Luntz Group is split. Awards Romney on economics and awards Obama on Foreign Policy. Then state economy is more important.

    Thats what matter.

    CNN Poll : Romney 40% Obama 48%….same as last week, draw, Obama should have done a lot better. Obama cannot crack 50% as an incumbent President.

  10. Still watching CNN. Someone got to Carville. He’s saying Obama looked stronger.

    The other talking head, Ari Fleischer, conceded that Obama was more aggressive but that it wouldn’t change the trajectory of this race. Fleischer says Obama was “punching from behind” and notes that Romney didn’t want to turn off female voters.

    A. Cooper mentioned upcoming poll results. Are these online or are they calling voters?

    Poll results in: O – 48; R – 40

    Didn’t catch whether he said this is a scientific or unscientific poll of debate watchers.

  11. Gergen disagrees with Carville, Romney needed to be “comfortable” and not a “bomb thrower”. Zakaria notes he had to distinguish himself from Bush.

  12. jbstonesfan
    October 22nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
    If he picked Rubio, he would be coasting now.

    JB..tonight was great night. Please revel in positive…please?

  13. Gergen is a muppet, undecideds always break for challenger in close race and Romney is up in most polls with huge Dem bias samples, thats no edge, thats a nightmare for Obama.

  14. jbstonesfan
    October 22nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
    If he picked Rubio, he would be coasting now.

    Really? Rubio might have helped him in Florida but it’s starting to look like he doesn’t need that help; and I’m not certain that Rubio would have helped him in Ohio, Wisconsin, etc. the way that Ryan seems to be.

  15. admin
    October 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    The moving van companies will deluge the White House switchboard with estimates tonight.


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  16. What a joke CNN is

    Forceful Obama bests defensive Romney in foreign policy debate
    A forceful President Obama put GOP challenger Mitt Romney on the defensive on foreign policy issues on Monday night, scoring a solid victory in their third and final debate just 15 days before Election

  17. CNN is RV voters, lol, not even LV.

    Romnney passed the CIC test to people polled,

    Can handle CIC Job : Romney 60%, Obama 63%

  18. According to Blitzer it is a scientific poll and more Republicans than Democrats respond.

    Castellanos is laughing at Van Jones’ analysis on Libya.

  19. TwoGirls
    October 22nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Just because someone is aggressive does not mean they are being effective.

  20. Can handle CIC Job : Romney 60%, Obama 63%

    I hope these people hear about Obama watching the live attack on Benghazi for 6+ hours and doing nothing.

  21. CNN “reality check” (fact check), the “Apology Tour” wasn’t an apology tour since he didn’t use the word “apology”.

  22. CNN

    Who attacked More Obama 68% Romney 25%
    More likeable Obama 48% Romney 47%
    Strong leader Romney 47% Obama 51%

    This was not a win for Obama.

  23. I think Mitt did exactly what he had to do. His numbers will not go down, they might even go up. He did not want to risk it at this point in time and did very well on his answers and proved he is knowledgeable in foreign policy. The way he tied up the economy to the security issue was superb. He kept banging on the fact that he is for peace and not war and bringing up women issues in these countries are vital points that will give independent voters and women a reason to vote for him. I think he won the debate and think he will win in November (God willing!)

  24. Will Stephen Colbert launch an ‘October surprise’ with $776G super PAC?
    The super PAC started by Stephen Colbert has $776,033 left in its account, raising speculation about how the politically minded comedian and Comedy Central star might spend the money in the neck-and-neck presidential race with Election Day just two weeks away.

    Hmm, I use to like him but alas, he is drunk on kool aid. He was awful to Hillary and I have tuned him out ever sence.

  25. Not going to,watch anymore…talking heads on both side say obama won but Romney
    appeared Presidential. Going to be hell the next 15 days.



  27. Amarissa, we wish Romney has slapped Obama’s face, insulted him and Michelle, kicked Obama under the table. But we know that while that would have sated our desire for a kick-ass debate (literally) it would have been foolish and hurt Romney.

    Romney was smart and screwed Obama. Obama thought Romney would hit on Benghazi etc. Instead Romney sidestepped everything and went after Obama on Israel and other failures of leadership.

  28. Carville’s face just sunk when he saws those internal numbers and just said he does not know what will change poll numbers for Obama, looks defeated now.

  29. I think its very clear now, the first debate just completely muredered Obama, it was decisive, exposed him.

  30. …my two cents…

    Tonight was Act III – the Reassuring Close

    (Act I – was the Introduction, Act II – the battle with the Opposition)

    Romney came across as very calm and reassuring, safe and mature…a gentleman…a smart, thoughtful…thinking…gentleman…

    Obama tried his very best to smear Mitt…Mitt deflected and did his best within the time constraints to address as many attacks as possible…I think he wanted to avoid a tit for tat and not give O too many openings to drag the discussion off track…

    Mitt, the Peace Candidate…very smart…

    I think Mitt has heard of submarines and air craft carriers…snark…

    Mitt says: “you traveled to the middle east and you skipped going to Israel, our closet friend in the region…and everyone noticed” “disappointed when you said you wanted “daylight between Israel” (said it like he was sadly flunking his student)

    “America dictated to other nations, we have not dictated to other nations, we have freed nations from dictators” very strong line

    Mitt – “attacking me is not a strategy”

    Mitt in closing, looks directly into the camera “…”I will work with you”

    Mitt came across as a ‘big picture guy’…a guy who sees the ‘micro and the macro’…

    O came across aggressive, yes, informed from his POV, however snarky and the one who kept going back to personal…personal…attacks on Romney

    Bottom line: Romney continues his positive progression

  31. Romney Beats Obama NQ
    By Larry Johnson on October 22, 2012 at 10:49 PM in Current Affairs

    The Obama campaign hinged tonights debate on portraying Mitt Romney as a reckless cowboy who would take us to war. Just one more reminder of how inept and desperate the Obama campaign is. And what did Romney do? He stepped back. He refused to take the bait and, instead, offered a vision of hope and strength. All Obama could do was attack.

    Attacking is a sign of weakness. Obama baited Romney into seizing reckless positions. Romney refused to take the bait. Instead, he took the high road. He demonstrated knowledge and competence. That was what he had to do and he did it.

    And what did Obama do? Offer hope and change or more of the same? If you liked the crap sandwich of the last four years, get ready for a steaming, heaping plate of manure.

    But Romney really struck home on Israel. He accused Obama of an apology tour. Obama bristled and insisted that was not true. At that point, Romney jammed it home. He reminded America that Obama’s first trip overseas to the Middle East visited every major Arab state but shunned Israel.

    Obama had no answer.

    Romney also was very effective in linking foreign policy to the dismal domestic economy and the reckless, burgeoning Federal deficit. Obama, once again, failed to offer any solution or vision. Instead, he lied about what Romney prescribed for the domestic auto industry and insisted Romney declared something in his op-ed he never said.

    Romney did what he had to. He showed what a President should look like. Obama? A reprise of the angry black guy. That will not inspire or rally independents to his side.

    Obama’s final statement was out of sync with what transpired during the debate. He described Romney as reckless. But any sentient being watching the previous 90 minutes would conclude that Obama must have been somewhere else. The Romney in the foreign policy debate was calm and measured. He emphasized that force would be a last resort, not a first option.

    Romney also was more forceful in making the case that he would stand with Israel. Obama? He waffled and remained locked to his campaign rhetoric.

    Tonight’s debate was the geek debate. Only political junkies were really paying attention. With Monday night football and game 7 of the National League Playoffs underway, folks in Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis and San Francisco were more focused on their respective teams.

    Finally, Obama forgot to learn the lesson of Bill Clinton. It is still the economy stupid. Foreign policy matters in this election only to the extent that Americans don’t want a bellicose guy vowing to wage war everywhere. Romney reassured Americans listening that he could be trusted to build a future of prosperity and peace. Obama? He just complained.

  32. I have to get this off my chest because it has been bugging me for a long time. The media keeps calling the Republicans “obstructionists”. Well, wasn’t that the whole point of the 2010 election landslide. After 2 years of the Obama/Democrat super majority, the nation’s voters said, “O, NO!”

    And he refused (again) to listen to his people.

  33. ABC’s Rick Klein… seems to think it’s advantage Romney.

    But Romney also had a strong debate, in pursuing different goals than the president. He sought to come across as reasonable rather than confrontational — a candidate comfortable with the campaign’s trajectory.
    “Attacking me is not talking about an agenda,” Romney said at one point.

    Perhaps oddly for a challenger, Romney singled out areas of agreement with the president — on Egypt, Syria, the use of drone strikes — and then used disagreements to stitch together an argument that looked forward.

    “I’m optimistic about our future. I’m excited about our prospects as a nation,” he said in his closing statement. It used the word “hope” twice.

    But Romney had already shown voters that he belongs on the stage with the president. Coming into the debate, he’d fought himself into a virtual tie with the president on key issue areas, according to the new ABC News/Washington Post poll, with little daylight between the two men on trust in handling terrorism, international affairs, or serving as commander-in-chief.

    There’s no going back, though, to a point where a single debate could change the trajectory of a campaign. Nothing happened tonight to change the race’s direction — and Romney walks away strong after playing on Obama’s turf, competing for his job.

  34. admin
    October 22nd, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    Amarissa, we wish Romney has slapped Obama’s face, insulted him and Michelle, kicked Obama under the table. But we know that while that would have sated our desire for a kick-ass debate (literally) it would have been foolish and hurt Romney.

    Romney was smart and screwed Obama. Obama thought Romney would hit on Benghazi etc. Instead Romney sidestepped everything and went after Obama on Israel and other failures of leadership.

    I totally agree admin.

    Mitt won, was tough without being an a$$hole like the liar Cic [gag, spit] Slick Rick the rusted cow.

  35. You’d think Debbie Wasserman Schultz and BO were siblings. They both are great twisters of the truth and obviously feel no remorse at lying through their teeth.

  36. The whole time during the last Presidential debate, Mitt Romney looked like the incumbent and Barack Obama looked like a challenger trying to keep it together. More specifically, Barack Obama, when he made eye contact, looked like he was seeing and invisible hand writing “Mene, Mene, Tekel, Parsin” on the wall behind Bob Schieffer. This was a man who knows the gig is almost up.

    Throughout the debate, Mitt Romney smiled, agreed, and avoided fights. Barack Obama did everything he could to get into fights. That’s not what incumbents in a comfortable lead do.

    The biggest issue to come out of this debate, though, was Barack Obama totally claiming that sequestration was Congress’s fault — he signed it into law — and that it would not happen, despite it being the law of the land.

    Within mere moments after the conclusion of the debate, the Obama camp already walked it back. It is never good for the President of the United States when, immediately upon conclusion of a must win debate, his campaign team is already walking back his bold statements. His jokes about sequestration will haunt him in military towns and his dismissiveness of the American Navy will hurt him in key swing states.

    Mitt Romney won this debate. Barack Obama, by the end, when not distracted by the handwriting on the wall, must have secretly been contemplating how good a deal he could get from U-Haul on moving boxes.

  37. Norma Desmond
    October 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 am

    Norma…that is hysterical…very funny!

  38. 🙂

    Ok all – off to bed! Admin, and all…great reading.

    We’ll see what transpires. We’ll next see if America can survive Allred and Trump.

  39. admin
    October 22nd, 2012 at 11:51 pm
    Amarissa, we wish Romney has slapped Obama’s face, insulted him and Michelle, kicked Obama under the table. But we know that while that would have sated our desire for a kick-ass debate (literally) it would have been foolish and hurt Romney.

    Romney was smart and screwed Obama. Obama thought Romney would hit on Benghazi etc. Instead Romney sidestepped everything and went after Obama on Israel and other failures of leadership.
    I was really nervous before this debate, didn’t even know if I could watch it because I had doubts regarding the Benghazi issue: should he or shouldn’t he get even with empty chair? Finally, after hours of going around this issue, I thought he (Mitt) should let it rest and do exactly what he did. Of course, I, like you and everyone here, wished Romney slapped the One’s face and everything else you mention, but this is why Mitt is a successful businessman and I am not! LOL!

    Thank you all again for such an intelligent after debate discussion as usual! All of you are great and I thank you for taking the time to explain and expose so many important facts!

  40. Forgot to say something which also worries me… What am I going to do with my life once Empty Chair leaves office????? I have been at this since 2007 as probably all of you! LOL!

  41. I agree with Admin and Krauthammer – Mitt won! Combined with the brilliant Al Smith dinner, it’s been a good week. Thanks everyone for such great discussion.

  42. observing BO’s clenched jaw and glaring eyes it was obvious R was getting to him. R would not fall for the trap. this ain’t high school, pal, and you’ve been had.

    you could see BO’s anger as he walked toward michelle at the end of the debate. he was pissed!

  43. I think we’ll start to see Obama drift in the polling now, Mitt starting to pull away as they grudgingly start reducing the dem bias they have been using.

    James Carville looked green with sick last night, eventually CNN got round to asking him and Fleischer at what does Obama lose this and Carville said “if Michigan and PA are seriously in play, Obama loses this, it means the Dem vote is collapsing”. Very pointed admission.

    Funny how both Obama and Romney both mention PA and Philadelphia last night and both talked at length about autobailout…..make your own mind up on why they did that.

    Romney’s lead with independents is very real, it has been for a long time, you don’t win this race by losing independents.

    Here is the winning stats needed to win the election.

    Win independents by 5 or more.
    GOP always loses women, if it loses it by less than 10 and win the men, they win.
    Maintain senior Vote.
    Get Dems around D+3

    I don’t see how Obama pulls this out, if you have not persuaded voters to vote for you now in a 2 horse race after 4 years, you lose. Obama has not been near 50% in a very long time and undecided and late deciders will always break hard for a challenger against an incumbent. You don’t suddenly turn those votes round 14 days before election day.

    Foreign Policy for Obama is a bust as we found out last night.
    The Economy is a bust is a bust, he has nothing left.
    Likeability is now even when Romney was losing by a mile a while back.

    It is clear the 1st debate destroyed Obama’s credibility, it was the moment the election was flushed down the pan and i think we’ll all see that as true after the election. This election was always going to be an Economy and Jobs elections. Obama has known this for a long time, it is why his only shot was to flush Romney’s likeability and paint him as a nasty unethical businessman. The debate flushed this and 200millions worth of ads down the pan.

    What happens now?

    The Preference cascade folks. Its make your mind up time and like 2008, people always like to back a winner and that is why i think the gulf will open between Obama and Romney, soft Obama support will drop away and go to Romney. Dem voter enthusiasm will drop as this happens.

    I could be wrong but i think not, the signs have been there for a while in the background on what people were voting for and the clear indication is they do not want to continue with the Obama policies for 4 more years.

    14 days folks until we find out.

  44. Moon, excellent! I do believe the undecideds now are truely worried more about the economy. FP actually to most people, really is over their heads. We just want a President who will attack our enemies and we at Big Pink know he won’t. Still wish Romney would have brought up the drone over head but of course we dont’ know why he wanted to lay low on that.

    Surrogates need to hammer home the LibyaFibya if they can without a mine pit.

    Under a Romney administration I know we’ll get the full story and who knows, even Obama could be charged.

    So Obama threw Biden under the Big Bus.

  45. Moon, only thing on the winner is that MSM will still and still are trying to show that it’s too close to even call, calling Gallup out there and such.

  46. I know that people are most concerned about the economy, but there are other things going on. This report by Steve Emerson is devastating! This is the equivalent of top Nazis visiting the WH during the FDR administration. Does anyone think that he would have gotten away with that? Why is barack hussein obama allowed to get away with this?

    A year-long investigation by the Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) has found that scores of known radical Islamists made hundreds of visits to the Obama White House, meeting with top administration officials.

  47. Maybe the Donald is gonna call a press conference and actually put some mileage on this IPT report.

    Talk about selling out America!

  48. Here is an argument for voting for rich, and philanthropic guys like Romney who has said he will donate his salary if elected. He does not need the money. He does not need to play pay-to-play with anyone. He has no cronies to pay off. He is not greedy to amass wealth before he leave office and then make it continue after he leaves office. His motivation may be just that he wants to do good and he thinks he can and has by now demonstrated to a majority that he can. Contrast that with the desperation that is Obama who has not held a real job in life at any point. He has been a part-timer all along despite his Ivy League education and he likes his presidential perks, the hangers on, the sycophants, the house, the plane, and he likes them to continue even after he leaves the WH. His wife likes the perks even more and will dog him to get it by hook or crook. They are still young and they have to finance their lifestyle for another 40 years and they have never held a real, honest job. Imagine that and their desperation.

  49. Update II: Big Media “fact checkers” deride “the apology tour” label because they say Obama never used the word “apology”. We remind them Neville Chamberlain never called his policy “appeasement” but that is what it was and the consequence was a World at war.

    Here is the best exchange of the debate when Romney calls out Obama:

    “I think they looked and thought, well, that’s an unusual honor to receive from the president of the United States,” Romney said. “And then the president began what I’ve called an apology tour of going to nations in the Middle East and criticizing America. I think they looked at that and saw weakness.” [snip]

    “Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey and Iraq,” he said. “And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations. And, by the way, they noticed that you skipped Israel. And then in those nations and on Arabic TV you said that America had been dismissive and derisive. You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations.


  50. Leanora 6:53 am – re other things going on. indeed. imo both he and gwb were like two year olds in that they really should have had someone following right behind them mopping up the messes/indiscretions which were abundant.
    This article refers back to the first Romney/Obama debate, so it may already be here at Big Pink. I love what the writer had to say. Here are final few paragraphs:

    The liberal media loved Obama to death
    October 9, 2012

    … On Sept. 12, the day after mobs ransacked American embassies, burned the flag and Obama in effigy, and killed one Marine, two Navy SEALs, and one ambassador, NBC’s Chuck Todd took to the air almost in shock and seemingly tearful, because Romney critiqued an official in Cairo who apologized for provoking the riots, citing a barely-seen YouTube video as the pretext for the violence. Voice shaking, he channeled the shock on the part of the White House (which later itself condemned the apology).
    For days after, Romney’s “mistake” was the story. On Sunday, after a week in which Obama was burned in effigy on several continents and his Middle Eastern policy exposed as a failure, he lost his best (perhaps his sole) campaign issue, and questions were raised about criminal negligence. But Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post said that Mitt Romney had had “the worst week in Washington.” Obama’s failures had turned out to hurt Romney, most of the press corps agreed.
    Obama had seen that his friends would protect him, and so he believed he could mail it in Wednesday, but this was the venue that could not be spun. No filter. No edits. No choosing what to put in or leave out. No shaping of the story. Just the story itself, rolled out in real time, sans narration, before 70 million American voters, undoing six years of hype and hysterics. It revealed one small, not all that keen academic, having been inflated by the narrators beyond all recognition, dissolving before everyone’s eyes.

    Examiner Columnist Noemie Emery

  51. Bottomline, Romney didn’t take the bait. Obama’s MO was to paint him as a war monger who will start another war with Iran (and that leak about the agreement was prep work) but Romney refused to take the bait. Remember McCain singing bomb, bomb, at a campaign stop in 2008…


    Romney’s Brilliant Maneuver

    Gov. Mitt Romney today pulled a bold move in the final debate with President Obama, opting for relatively limited verbal combat with his opponent while instead showcasing his knowledge of foreign affairs, adopting a presidential demeanor, and offering a sense of optimism for the future. [snip]

    Some commentators are suggesting Obama won because he scored more points. But I think such people are looking at this from within the paradigm of what they expected, and not what happened.

    Everyone – including me – thought Romney would tear into Obama once again and engage in another slugfest, spending as much time as possible discussing the failures surrounding Benghazi. Instead, Romney completely walked away from Benghazi.

    What Romney needed tonight was not to beat up on Obama – he had already proven he could do that – but to cast himself as a leader people will be comfortable having as their president.

    He threw some jabs, but the knockout punch wasn’t delivered by fist, but by feint.

    Romney stood tall while Obama appeared a little surly, eager to re-litigate domestic policy points that the two had already plowed through in two debates. By repeatedly demeaning Romney, Obama demeaned himself. The proverbial Martian visiting earth for the first time would have been convinced that Romney was the king the earthlings, not Obama. [snip]

    But the impression that will linger through Election Day is that of the sunny guy to the left of the screen who seemed to have ideas about where to go and was interrupted repeatedly by the guy on the right who made lots of points but, in the end, had no new ideas, couldn’t defend his record the few times it was challenged, and seemed a little unlikable.

  53. The Republicans Gov Assoc has pulled all remaining ads in NC, confident Pat McCrory’s well ahead. Gonna be an easy pickup for the GOP

  54. The one thing i will point out is out of all of these debates, which one do people actually remember…..?

    Yup, that first debate ripped the air out of it all, it set a bar and its the one thing people have remembered is that Obama imploded on that debate, not one person i have talked to can remember a thing about the other 3 debates….deadly for Obama.

  55. Democratic Congressman Chris Murphy and Republican businesswoman Linda McMahon are in a near tie following their final debate in Connecticut’s testy U.S. Senate race.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Connecticut Voters shows Murphy with 48% support to McMahon’s 47%. Two percent (2%) like some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    This race now moves back from Leans Democrat to a Toss-Up


    Watch the lib heads explode this morning.

  56. Hmm what does that tell you……

    US Atty Patrick Fitzgerald is quietly going to the private sector at the end of the month.

  57. Per Natl Law Journal, Fitzgerald joining Skadden firm. Prosecuted Rezko, Blago, several public officials in Chicago……guessing he thinks the game is up.

  58. Obama’s final statement was out of sync with what transpired during the debate. He described Romney as reckless. But any sentient being watching the previous 90 minutes would conclude that Obama must have been somewhere else. The Romney in the foreign policy debate was calm and measured. He emphasized that force would be a last resort, not a first option.

    We know that Obama is an empty suit schooled by his handlers. O was caught off guard by Romney’s debate strategy. O had memorized remarks for his closing prepared in advance and was not intelligent enough to adapt to the actual debate. Often during the debate O repeated the same talking points….not capable of having a real conversation. Romney also lost his “sweet look” expression for this debate which was terrific.

    I thought O won the first 10 minutes, but then Romney was fantastic!

  59. Yup its moving…here we go from what i gather.

    WHOA!! Rasmussen National: Romney 50 Obama 46 –

    swing states Romney 50 Obama 45

  60. anyone venture over to messiahnetwork yet? Have their heads exploded? Seems Mitt came over as the adult in the room 🙂 Was worried there to begin with as I was only reading but it seems like he honed in for the slow kill with steady, sharp focus. I’m liking what I’m reading online about it all. Of course I’m prepared to see Lamestream media do some ass kissing with it’s big headline grabs and all. Hope polling agrees with us that Mitt looked like what we want in our President. Cool, calm, steady and unafraid to voice his convictions. No bowing, no ass kissing.

  61. What did i say yesterday…..

    Today is the day the pollsters have to start getting into line because it is the start day of the polls being used for accuracy ratings after the election. So Today is the day they start converging.

  62. US Atty Patrick Fitzgerald is quietly going to the private sector at the end of the month.
    Moon: They all do that. Or else they go into politics. I have witnessed this phenomenon first hand. During the 1980s, the head of an organized crime strike force suspected me and my company of making labor peace payments. He and the FBI interrogated me for nine hours. The main evidence he had was others on JFK airport were doing this, and I had been able to obtain favorable contracts with Teamster local unions who were headed up by made members or associates of organized crime. I never acceded to that status of being a “target”, but it was not for lack of effort on his part. Ultimately, he could not prove his case. Sometime later, he came back to me, told me that the Organized Crime Force was being shut down and that he was going into private practice. He offered his services Chutspa to me–an offer which I could and did refuse. This is not uncommon. (Note: the Organized Crime Strike Forces were set up by RFK because he did not trust the US Attorneys Offices. Twenty years later, Judge Webster shut them down and transferred their responsibilities back where they belonged, in the US Attorney’s Office.)

    The man I consider to be my mentor on trial practice, a former district and appellate court judge who was half Clarence Darrow and the other half Borsht Belt, spoke about this phenomenon a couple days ago. He was US Attorney for New Jersey, at the age of 31. During his tenure, he took down the mafia and corrupt politicians throughout his state, and they fell like dominoes. Playboy did a movie on him called Tiger In Court. The attorneys who went after Agnew and later the watergate prosecutors consulted with him. Alito, Christy inter alia were in a way his progeny. He said the reason I never went into politics was I never wanted the people to think that our office was never about personal advancement, or politics. He limited his comments to himself however, and supports Governor Christy.

    He has been a criminal defense lawyer now for a generation. But I am quite sure he never offered his services to people he went after in his official capacity.

  63. Correction: I never wanted people to think my office was about personal advancement or politics.

    He is so right about that. There is nothing worse than a politically motivated prosecutor. Why? Because the powers of the office are such that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he choses to do so, for political gain.

    Before, during and after his tenure as US Attorney of the Southern District of New York, Rudy came perilously close to that line. He used to stage his arrests on Wall Street, and more than one innocent defendant was arrested adn ushed into patrol cars or paddy wagons in full view of the press cameras–and he scored front page headlines. The retraction came months later, when no one was watching. Those falsely accused were left to wonder how do I get my reputation back. The man I see today is not like that. I think he is on top of the issues, and argues his position forcefully. More often than not, it is a position I agree with/

    The technique of making a false charge when the eyes of the world are watching and then retracting it later in a small inconspicuous forum is bad faith. We saw the same thing last week with the deplorable behavior of Candy Crowley. I am told that not only did she give Obama the questions in advance, which allowed him to prepare and memorize his own answers, but no less to anticipate Romney’s line of attack. They even went so far as to choregraph their little act, where you saw Obama call on Candy to interrupt Romney and plant the false point in the critical moment, which she retracted later, when most of the world was no longer watching. She and Obama succeeded with that little ploy. It through Romney off his game, and helped him win that debate in the eyes of many in the media. She is corrupt.

  64. Interesting…

    Florida SOS : Election Update: More than 829k Floridians have already voted absentee, including 371k GOP and 327k DEM

  65. krauthammer on mitt

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I think it’s unequivocal, Romney won. And he didn’t just win tactically, but strategically. Strategically, all he needed to do is basically draw. He needed to continue the momentum he’s had since the first debate, and this will continue it. Tactically, he simply had to get up there and show that he’s a competent man, somebody who you could trust as commander in chief, a who knows every area of the globe and he gave interesting extra details, like the Haqqani network, which gave the impression he knows what he’s talking about. But there is a third level here, and that is what actually happened in the debate.

    We can argue about the small points and the debating points. Romney went large, Obama went very, very small, shockingly small. Romney made a strategic decision not go after the president on Libya, or Syria, or other areas where Obama could accuse him of being a Bush-like war monger. Now I would have gone after Obama on Libya like a baseball bat, but that’s why Romney has won elections and I’ve never had to even contested them. He decided to stay away from the and I think that might have actually worked for him.

    What he did concentrate on is the big picture. People don’t care what our policy on Syria is going to be. They care about how America is perceived in the world and how America carries itself in the world. And the high point is when he devastatingly leveled the charge of Obama going around the world on an apology tour. Obama’s answer was ask any reporter and they will tell you it wasn’t so. That’s about as weak an answer you can get. And Romney’s response to quote Obama saying that, ‘we dictate to other nations,’ and Romney said, ‘we do not dictate to other nations, we liberate them.’ And Obama was utterly speechless.

    So that is the large picture, America is strong and respecting. What Obama did is he kept interrupting, interjecting and his responses were almost all very small, petty attacks. The lowest was when he’s talking about sanctions that are old. ‘When I was working on sanctions you were investing in a company in China.’ I mean that is the kind of attack you expect from a guy who is running for city council for the first time, that’s not what you expect from the president. A personal attack about an investment when talking about Iran?

    I thought Romney had the day. He looked presidential. The president did not. And that’s the impression I think that is going to be left.

    MEGYN KELLY, FOX News: Mitt Romney sounded a bit more dovish, less bellicose than some, perhaps on the right wanted to hear. How will that play?

    KRAUTHAMMER: Well, I think those on the right like me, who would have loved for him to have been bellicose and love the near fisticuffs will understand exactly why Romney did it. He stayed away from the pitfalls. He did not allow himself to be painted as a war monger. This is what Reagan understood in 1980, he did it extremely well. So Romney did and I think this could help him win the election.

  66. Chris Wallace’s remarks.

    eah, let me first give you my general opinion. And that was, I thought in the middle of the debate that if I had been on the desert island for the last four years and I had just been parachuted into this debate, I would have thought the guy that had turned out to be Mitt Romney was the president protecting a lead and that Barack Obama was the challenger trying, somewhat desperately to catch up.

    Obama was slashing, was personal, was cutting, I thought that Romney was big-picture, seemed to have much more of an agenda for the future than the President did. I e-mailed one of his top aides in the course of the debate, and said, “What’s behind this strategy?” Clearly he was not taking the bait, not getting into fights with Barack Obama. This official said, “This is all Mitt Romney’s idea. This is how he wants to conduct this debate.”

  67. “How do you measure success? Here at EF Hutton, we measure success one investor at a time.” (John Houseman, cohort of Orson Welles at the old Mercury Theater)

    How do you measure success in last nights debate, which I did not watch but spent two hours discussing and alyalyzing with the friend who was a professor of communcations who has a long family history in the media which includes running the best small town newspaper in the county. I present her insights to you now, s if they were my own.

    First of all, Romney supporters wanted red meat, and he did not give it to them. That included the normally inperterbable Greta. Specifically, they wanted Romney to take down Obama over Libya. Instead, he side stepped the issue. Why? Because going into the debate he could not be sure if he was walking into a stacked deck as he did with CNN. Also, Obama is a weasel and a liar–and it is hard to keep up with his lies and baseless allegations. Obama expected Romney to attack him on Libya and was well prepared to rebut, by reminding voters of the tweet, and saying that he is not commander in chief material. And, big media was poised to echo and re-echo that very message until election day, since it reinforces their narrative–and cover-up.

    This is not a matter of speculation. It is fact. And the proof of it is the way big media attacked Romney for his tweet on Libya, and that attack continued for three solid days, while they conveniently ignored the real story of how the death of four Americans could have been but was not prevented by Obama. If the British, the French and the Red Cross pulled out then why didn’t we? If cables were sent by the Ambassador predicting what occurred, why were they not heeded? If we had a marine detachment who was poised to go in why didn’t they.

    Second, the way to measure success in a debate is not who made the most noise, and who was more aggressive–which were the criteria AB Stoddard used to pronounce Obama the winner. Rather, success depends on how well you connected with your target audience–the independents and resolved whatever doubts may have existed in their minds. In a clear attempt to distort the picture, Politico claimed yesterday that Romney needed a game changer, when in fact, the momentum now is clearly in his direction, and the demograghic that was heavily invested in Obama is now moving to Romney. In those circumstances, a game changer would be a gaff by Romney which he avoided.

    Romney’s goal was to present himself as a competent commander in chief, and Obama’s goal was to present him as a warmongering fuddy duddy. Simply put, Romney succeeded and Obama failed. And in the course of failing, Obama came across as less likeable and not having answers. His response was a combination of snark platitudes, and calling Romney a liar. Much to his credit, Romney refused to rise to the debatate and pointed out, attacking him was no substitute for having clear coherent policies. The hyena behavior we saw from Biden and the cheap shots we saw from Obama, which Democrats loved because they are still fixated on the debate are not appreciated by real undecided voters concerned about the future of our country, and if they have any smarts, their own survival.

    Finally, unlike Crowley, Bob Schieffer did a good job as moderator. He equalized the time. He asked good questions for both sides. That was my triend’s assessment, and my progostication. It suggests that CBS is smart enough to see that the market is moving, whereas CNN, ABC and NBC do not, because their anti Romney narrative has not changed, although here and there we see some evidence of a spring thaw. Their executives have enoyed a torrid flight from reality and journalistic ethics, but have no good plan for the morning after. Too bad for them and their shareholders.

  68. Just as you don’t expect your surgeon to have a bad day, you don’t expect your President to have a bad day, especially when the event it so important. I feel the first debate caused the American people to rethink about his abilities.

    However, this race is too close to call, and wide open for fraud. If they pay attention to key cities, key states, they can be fixed.

  69. As a long time pet person, jbjonesfan, I know your pain. I’m so sorry to hear about your obviously much loved dog. Pets who have had that kind of loving life are, indeed, lucky.

  70. (10/23/2012) “Romney won the presidential debate by looking presidential. Obama had a painful case of Biden’s smile” (The Telegraph)

    Romney won the third presidential debate – and how he did it was encapsulated in a single exchange. The candidates were discussing military spending and Romney had just accused Obama of making harmful cutbacks. The President wheeled out what must have seemed like a great, pre-planned zinger: “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military’s changed.” The audience laughed, Obama laughed, I laughed. It was funny.

    But here’s why it was also a vote loser. For a start, Twitter immediately lit up with examples of how the US Army does still use horses and bayonets (horses were used during the invasion of Afghanistan). More importantly, this was one example of many in which the President insulted, patronised and mocked his opponent rather than put across a constructive argument. His performance was rude and unpresidential. Obama seemed to have a touch of the Bidens, wriggling about in his chair, waving his hands dismissively and always – always – smirking in Romney’s direction. By contrast, Romney sucked up the abuse and retained a rigid poker face all night. He looked like a Commander in Chief; Obama looked like a lawyer. Who would you rather vote for? Aside from the horses and bayonets moment, this was essentially a debate without incident. Part of the fault was the format. It’s interesting to note that Romney won the first debate while standing up and Obama did better in the second when walking around. But when both men were forced to sit for 90 minutes, the energy was inevitably reduced and neither broke through the fourth wall convincingly. Romney had a slight edge because he didn’t use his hands so much: Obama blew his closing statements by developing ultra-energetic conjurer’s hands (“Look at the hands, not at the cards, look at the hands…”)

    But the bigger problem was that they agreed on the essentials, which were all about foreign policy. Romney refused to tackle Obama directly on Libya (I shouted at the TV that he should, but he just wouldn’t listen) and Fast and Furious seems to have been forgotten by the GOP. In everything else, Obama has become so homicidally neoconservative and Romney so desperately peaceful that they’ve met in the middle on most issues. Both would defend Israel in the event of an attack, both want out of Afghanistan in 2014 and neither would let Iran get the bomb. If you want a real debate on foreign policy, you’re just going to have to wait until Rand Paul gets the nomination in 2020. …

    Where a disagreement did exist was on the question of leadership; Romney wants to be proactive and Obama pledges to remain reactive. Nevertheless, both seem committed to nation building overseas – with Obama throwing in the caveat that he’d like to do some nation building at home, too. The real difference was in style. In his closing statement – after Obama was done making the Ace of Spades disappear – Romney channelled Reagan by looking straight into the camera and asserting his faith in America. It was empty, sugary stuff that will make liberals sick. But it was infinitely preferable to Obama’s constant, nasty attacks. Sometimes in life, the nice guys do win.

    We also have to judge this debate as part of the narrative arc of this season. Romney won the first debate by a mile. Because Romney’s win was so decisive, it sparked an image change: Americans started to think of him as presidential material. That’s why Obama winning the second debate by an inch made little impact – people were watching Romney not to see him land punches but to see how well he could take them. He won the third debate because, by the end of the night, his and Obama’s positions in the narrative arc had switched. Romney now looks like the President and Obama looks like the challenger.

    I read elsewhere (I’ve already forgotten where) that due at least in part to these debates (primarily the first one) that not only didn’t Obama disqualify Romney but that he is now in the awkward position of having to (re)qualify himself.

  71. Here it comes…Dems in panic over Ohio.

    Talk about the sullen presage of a campaign’s decay. Something was wrong with President Obama last night, to judge by his performance. Was Ohio on his mind? An AP story says that the Obama campaign is now talking about a way to win without taking the state:

    The vice president is midway through a three-day tour of uber-battleground Ohio, and Obama’s team contends it’s best way of ensuring victory is a win there. The campaign says internal polling gives Obama a lead in the Midwestern battleground state, in large part because of the popularity of the president’s bailout of the auto industry.

    But even if Obama loses Ohio, his campaign sees another pathway to the presidency by nailing New Hampshire, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nevada and Colorado.

    That the Obama camp is even talking about losing Ohio is a stunning turn of events.

    No wonder, then, that Romney seemed like the man who was winning last night. When he spoke, you thought “energy in the executive.” When Obama spoke, the words that came to mind were “fatigue,” “apathy,” “frustration.” In his closing statement the president was clearly rattled, lamely reciting talking points we’ve heard too often before, not even pretending to care about what he was saying — simply wanting it to be over. It was as though a light had gone out. Was he disconcerted by the smoothness of Romney’s performance? Or is his campaign’s internal polling in Ohio less pretty than his people are letting on?


    Told you….dominoes.

  72. Holy Crap…..Obama only 5 ahead in Minnesota.

    This will cause panic in the ranks….

    President Obama earns just over 50% of the vote in Minnesota.

    A new telephone survey of Likely Minnesota Voters finds Barack Obama with 51% support to 46% for Mitt Romney. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, while another one percent (1%) is undecided.

  73. I don’t understand why so many think Barry won on FP points…what points?
    Lies and stories of his adventures are not points. Tearing Mitt apart and claiming he flip flopped on everything is now winning points.

    Barry didn’t win anything, and I watched the entire debate. Please someone, tell me what point Barry won that was true.

  74. Shadowfax, that usually has the opposite effect, people will go, well if they don’t care, why should I, double edge sword, i think Obama is only interested in getting money in now, he can scam off for his retirement.

  75. “An AP story says that the Obama campaign is now talking about a way to win without taking the state:”

    That. Made. My. Day!

  76. Democratic Polling Firm PPP: Romney 49, Obama 47

    A few notable things here beyond that.

    Obama’s favorable/unfavorable is underwater, 47-49. Romney’s is above water and ahead of Obama’s: 50/45. With women he’s 47/47. Obama’s well underwater with men, though, 41-55.

    I am a convert to believing favorability might be the single most important number in a poll. I suppose it’s not as important as the head-to-head. But it’s close.

    Obama’s job approval is 45/51.

    Now, among Independents: Mitt Romney has a fav/unfav 50/45. Obama’s fav/unfav among independents is way underwater, at 42/51.

    And Romney leads in independents, 50-41.

  77. Shadow…Shorter Obama email: I don’t really care if I win or lose in November, but you should because you clearly need me.

  78. These people are ridiculous…


  79. I’m already starting to enjoy the psychological benefits of Obama’s removal. How wonderful it will be to enjoy life without the overhanging dread of Obama’s disaster du jour. Just knowing an adult is in charge and not actively working to subvert us is a huge burden lifted from our shoulders.

  80. From LJ at NQ:

    “I was standing behind Chris Matthews in the security line. He is looking very unhappy this morning. Having been on his show several times in 2001 and 2002, I know his happy face and I know when he is in a major funk. He was very funky today.

    Immediately to my right (on the other side of the security line) was F. Chuck Todd, oblivious to all around him, talking on the phone. I heard him say, “Yeah, Obama’s numbers are collapsing.”

  81. re: the ‘preference cascade’ Moon mentioned

    We’re starting to see a preference cascade, in Romney’s direction.

    Mitt Romney was an unlikable loser until the debates showed he wasn’t.
    When Romney’s strength got attention, suddenly a lot more people were willing to vote for him.
    Same thing happened to the Tea Party. First they were a racist fringe, then electoral victors.
    7:19PM EDT October 22. 2012 – The documentary Hating Breitbart, about the late blogger and media gadfly Andrew Breitbart, opened this past weekend to packed houses. The theme of the film — and of Breitbart’s life — is how conventional “mainstream” media deliberately distort the news to benefit the policies and politicians they favor.

    That’s no secret in the Obama era, of course, as the press’s efforts to boost, and then protect, the presidency of Barack Obama have become ever more obvious. But it’s still worth pointing out. It’s a problem for America, and it’s a problem for people on the right. But it’s probably a bigger problem for people with whom the media agree. That’s because they wind up living in a bubble, protected from contrary views, which means that they are perpetually caught by surprise when reality asserts itself.

    We may be about to see this happen again. Though we’ve been told over and over again by the press that President Obama, and his policies, are overwhelmingly popular with the American public, and that challenger Mitt Romney is an unlikable loser, this may turn out not to be the case.

    In recent years, we’ve often seen that the truth on the ground doesn’t match the images presented in the press. Despite representations that it was a narrow fringe group composed of “bitter clingers,” the Tea Party movement handed the House of Representatives to the Republicans in 2010. And despite claims that it was washed up, the Tea Party movement has remained a force in 2012.

    Now, despite being told by the press — and quite a few Republican pundits — that Mitt Romney didn’t have a chance, since his performance in the presidential debates things seem to be turning around. Reports of early voting and absentee ballots suggest that Republican voters are a lot more energized than we’d been led to believe. The polls are looking good for Romney, and he’s picking up all sorts of endorsements all of a sudden.

    This has caused some Republican enthusiasts to suggest that what we’re seeing is a “preference cascade,” and they may be right.

    What’s a “preference cascade?” In his book, Private Truths, Public Lies, economist Timur Kuran looked at the way “preference falsification” can distort societies, and then collapse suddenly.

    The classic example is in a totalitarian society, where everyone has to pretend to love the Great Leader on pain of death. If the authorities manage it right, 99% of the populace can be ready to revolt — but won’t, because each individual thinks he or she is the only one who feels that way. This works until some event suddenly shocks the system, and people realize that they’re not alone. When that happens, things can go south in a hurry. That’s a “preference cascade.”

    The United States isn’t a totalitarian society, but media bias has the same sort of effect: By privileging some views and suppressing others, the media give Americans, and itself, a distorted idea of reality. Then, when things crack, it’s a big surprise.

    That may be what’s happening here. Obama was presented as unbeatable, and a lot of people believed it — until, suddenly, he looked kind of beatable after all. Once that happened, everything was different.

    If this really is happening to Obama, there’s a spot of irony to it, because that’s exactly what happened when he ran against Hillary Clinton in the primaries. Hillary spent years building up a facade of inevitability, and the press and pundits went along. Lots of other potential challengers didn’t even bother to enter the race and it looked like she had things sewn up, but then Obama started beating her, and, to everyone’s surprise, she didn’t look inevitable any more.

    Will Romney do the same thing to Obama? We’ll see, but I think that’s the way to bet.

    Glenn Harlan Reynolds is professor of law at the University of Tennessee. He blogs at


    the only thing I disagree with is the way the writer characterizes Hillary…we all know what happened during those primaries…Hillary did win…she was pushed out…

  82. gonzotx says:
    October 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    These people are ridiculous…


    “It is just that Michelle brings such a unique, vibrant and youthful style and the average woman can see herself wearing many of her outfits, so designers want everyone to know that she is wearing their clothes,” explained entertainment/lifestyle commentator Valerie Greenberg. “And even though Anna Wintour has a reputation for being tough, I don’t think she would let her political views dictate the designers she chooses to feature in the pages of Vogue.”

    Emmy-winning stylist and author David Zyla, who has previously outfitted political figures including Hillary Clinton, said that is simply hard for anyone to measure up to Michelle Obama, who roused the industry after the eight years of the simple style preferred by former First Lady Laura Bush.


    Oh please, again we can see what we see regarding what MO wears…boy, can we see, often blinded by the mismatch…

    ONE THING…i will say, has anyone else noticed that MO wore SLEEVES to every debate??
    hmmmm…could it be she decided it too risky to go sleeveless compared to the elegantly and tailored fashion sense of Ann Romney?

    MO even wore sleeves in hot, humid Florida last night…hmmmm…

    PERHAPS…MO’s bare arms are not polling very well? !!

  83. Gallup: 51-46
    Rasmussen National: 50-46
    Rasmussen Swing States: 50-45
    ARG New Hampshire: 49-47

    Gallup’s numbers were late today. When they finally posted, Obama gained a point to 46%; Romney’s lead shrunk from 6 to 5. No change in registered voters from yesterday (48-47 Romney).

    Here’s an important finding, from @conartcritic. In a poll conducted Oct. 1st through 21st, Gallup found the party affiliation of the country very nearly evenly split:


    Gallup survey of party affiliation pref for 1-21 Oct: Dem 34.3% GOP 34.1% Ind 31.6%

    CAC’s conclusion: It’s not D+7, or 6, or 5, or 4, or 3, or 2, or even 1 anymore. It’s D+0. It’s all even.

    Meanwhile, ARG posted a New Hampshire poll showing Romney up by two points.

    Rasmussen: Romney 50, Obama 46 (see update at post’s end).

    Rasmussen Swing States Only: Romney 50, Obama 45.

  84. Basil99, that Clear Path ad is very good. It’s simple and direct and a good final argument.

    The Apology Tour ad is especially welcome as well.

  85. JBS…

    I know how much it hurts when our little pals are having tough times…
    I hope your little babe will do well…I honestly think our pets are gifts from Heaven…

  86. moononpluto
    October 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Shadow…Shorter Obama email: I don’t really care if I win or lose in November, but you should because you clearly need me.


    “Just send money for my golden cow retirement.”

  87. I must be in good company, agreeing with admin and Charles Krauthamer. 🙂

    Romney was brilliant last night. Go back to the basics. To win the election, Obama had to successfully tar Romney as Ebenezer Scrooge on domestic policy and Attila the Hun (or George W. Bush) on foreign policy. Going into last night’s debate, Romney had successfully parried the domestic policy caricature and was gaining momentum. There was no way to improve his position on foreign policy, but he sure could unravel everything he has built by giving Obama any opportunity to “scare” voters.

    So, what did Romney do? Agree with all of Obama’s positions, while giving a convincing statement of the widely accepted Reaganesque “peace through strength” mantra.

    It was brilliant. Romney won the election last night and, I expect, things will break hard in his direction over the remaining two weeks. People are unhappy with Obama and Romney has successfully made himself an acceptable alternative.


    MSNBC’s Chuck Todd this morning explained that President Obama has run out of time to “disqualify” Mitt Romney, and has to scramble in his remaining weeks to reassert his case for re-election.

    “Look, the president’s got bigger problems than trying to disqualify Mitt Romney now,” he explained on Morning Joe asserting that Obama missed his opportunity in the first debate. “The president has to requalify himself for a second term.”

    Todd suggested that the Obama campaign’s new advertising push is a “closing argument” attempt, but perhaps is a bit late.

    “I think they now realize that – two weeks is not enough time to have the conversation with voters that they want to have,” Todd said. “He missed his opportunity. He blew it in that first debate.”


    Dear Governor Romney,
    I’m writing this letter to you the morning after the last of the presidential debates to apologize to you personally for doing absolutely everything I could think of for four years to stop you from becoming the 2012 Republican nominee. I really didn’t know a thing about you, except that you had a lot of kids, were Governor of Massachusetts, and looked like an old movie star…and that you came in second last time to John McCain and somehow I got it into my head that this should have disqualified you from running again this year (or that it meant you’d repeat McCain’s anemic campaign and not even try to give Barack Obama a run for his money). Boy, was I stupid..because after these debates and the campaign you’ve run I have come to realize you’re one of the best political strategists I’ve ever studied…and you are a man who has clearly answered the call of duty when our country needed you the most. I am sorry for not giving you a fair chance until you became the nominee, but I’m beyond grateful I have the opportunity today to do anything I can to help your campaign in this home stretch.
    What you have managed to do in this general election will be studied and written about for years because even many Republicans have no clue how smart you’ve played things. A lot of people are going to have pleasantly bewildered faces on November 6th as the electoral college results pour in and it becomes clear why you did everything you did for the last several months; it’s going to be like the end of one of those old M. Night Shyamalan films where the pieces all fit together and the audience finally gets the big “twist”. I actually plan on watching MSNBC for the results because I want to see Chris Matthews, Chuck Todd, Rachel Maddow and the other loathsome clowns on that Democrat propaganda network have real-time meltdowns and psychotic breaks as state after state is declared another addition to your victory column.
    It will indeed be morning in America again for our country…while the Left’s media operatives mourn Barack Obama’s crushing defeat.

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  90. Also Chuck Todd:

    “Immediately to my right (on the other side of the security line) was F. Chuck Todd, oblivious to all around him, talking on the phone. I heard him say, “Yeah, Obama’s numbers are collapsing.”

  91. While I am awaiting with great glee and anticipation the moment that the Democrats and the media (to be redundant) visibly grasps that it’s all turned to dung for their boy Barry. I haven’t really seen it yet, but I am setting my DVR to sample a few MSNBC shows this week. I figure it will probably be in the next few days.

  92. An obot just showed me a two line graph from someone…this person, “takes all the polls in the planet and comes out with Obama’s chance of winning being 70%.”

    I just laughed and said, yea, like the 2010 election where the media told all the voters that the Tea folks were just meaningless crackpots, and the House was fumigated for Democrats.

  93. Obama: ‘Michelle and I Will Be Fine No Matter What Happens’ in the Election
    Well . . . . that is one big worry off my mind.

  94. Another result of the first debate, in addition to destroying the caricature that was created by the media and Dims, was that Romney finally convinced conservative Republicans that he could win this election; it wasn’t necessary to have Gingrich or Santorum to win the debates. This has resulted in the conservatives being more agreeable to letting Romney run his campaign as he sees fit. They probably would have screamed bloody murder over “lost opportunities” in last night’s debate; not so much now.

    In all three debates, Romney has acted in a manner that was unexpected and thereby didn’t allow the media to use their pre-planned narratives. Very clever. The frustration on the face of the fraud and the media, when Romney has refused to play their game, has been enjoyable to watch.

  95. Initial draft of the numbers that matter (so that Big Media will not be able to steal Romney’s victory):

    Almost 11.5 million viewers watched the third and final Presidential debate last night on Fox News Channel. That makes Monday’s face-off between President Obama and Governor Mitt Romney the all-time high for any broadcast in the network’s 16-year history. Fox News’ 11.47 million viewers of the 9-10:30 PM ET debate was more than rivals CNN and MSNBC’s audiences put together, according to Nielsen. Fox News also drew 3.43 million in the adults 25-54 demographic. CNN attracted 5.8 million viewers overall (2.5 million in 25-54), and MSNBC had 4.06 million (1.7 million in 25-54). Fox News took the top spot among cable networks for all the Presidential debates this year.

    Fox News’ numbers for the foreign-policy-focused debate were up from the 11.1 million it pulled in for the second debate between Obama and Romney on October 16. That broadcast was tied with the 2008 Vice Presidential debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden as Fox News’ former all-time high rating. The second Presidential debate had an overall audience of 65.6 million viewers on 12 networks, down from the 67.2 million who watched the first debate October 3. Fox News drew 10.4 million viewers for that one.

    Final numbers due later today.

  96. “Immediately to my right (on the other side of the security line) was F. Chuck Todd, oblivious to all around him
    Twas ever thus. That was no imposter. Todd’s days are numbered. Happily, in the next life, he will be running a Chuckie Cheese franchise in Washington. Prizes for the tiny tots, and autographed pictures of him and Obama, for the tiny minds of their parents. His usual oblivous self was heard to remark I have never been happier in my life, because after seaching in vain for most of my life I have found something I am good at.

  97. Kevin at Hillbuzz seems to think that Trump’s big surprise might be exposing O’s big fancy new Hawaiian house that contributors supposedly are getting ready for them…for Jan…and that Marian, MO’s mom will be moving with them…


  98. Thanks for that info on the polls admin.

    This particular obot thinks that Mitt will never win because of the 47% statement and he is a ‘flip flopper’.

    I tossed back that his guy Barry, promises the world, delivers on almost nothing except killing Obama Bin Laden which was to the credit of our Marines and tactics set up in the previous administration.

    All they care about is covering for the 1/2 a set of DNA that makes them ‘better’ then the ‘average’ voter.

    I told him Barry screwed Hillary and I would do what every I could to make sure he is out in January.

    He was SHOCKED! “You are going to vote for Romney?”


  99. “The president has to requalify himself for a second term.”
    Sounds pretty simple to me. Just pass out 4 year amnesia pills rather cell phones to the target audience.

  100. foxyladi14
    October 23rd, 2012 at 10:25 am
    Dow down 270 points
    Good. If there is to be a day of reckoning, let it happen before the election. Like it did in 2008. That is the only thing that will cause limosine liberals, and people with more money than common sense, to abandon Obama. It is futile to reason with them. And because Barack has assured us that he and michelle will be okay if he loses the election, we can toss him out on his keester with a clear conscience. However, they will still need to expand the psycho wards for his supporters.

  101. …and the O camp wonders why it is even losing some of its base…

    2008 Called. It Wants to Know What Happened to Barack Obama.

    John Cook

    One of the many little thrills of being a part of the Obama campaign four years ago was a deep and abiding sense that, finally, a political leader had come along who could live up to our highest aspirations. Yes, Obama was cool and played basketball and was conversant in ironical youth culture, but when it came down to it, he was overwhelmingly serious. The other guys were hauling unlicensed plumbers onstage and suspending their campaign at the drop of a hat, but Obama kept his eyes on the prize and played the grown-up. Now he’s talking about “Romnesia.”

    If anything, Obama’s 2008 campaign promised a president who would actively repudiate the frenetic, aggressively stupid cable-news culture that had engulfed political reporting. His campaign manager David Plouffe was openly derisive of Time’s Mark Halperin and Politico, the two chief avatars of empty-calorie bitch-slap politics: “If Politico and Halperin say we’re winning, we’re losing.”

    Obama himself confidently mocked the cable-news conflagration that was the Tea Party summer—people were getting “all wee-wee’d up” for no good reason. His inaugural address—a deeply depressing read in light of the last four years—contained a stern admonition to those who insisted on sweating the small stuff: “On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises…. [I]n the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things.”

    That’s the same guy who let loose last night, in the midst of a debate that was ostensibly about how many people we are going to kill over the next four years and under what circumstances, this little nugget: “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.”

    That’s a middling joke. It should by no means be coming from the president of the United States, let alone one who promised to put away childish things. It’s a dumb “zinger,” transparently crafted to appeal to the Mark Halperins and Politicos of the world. That’s not to say that humor has no place in political rhetoric or that Obama betrays his promise every time he deigns to insult his opponent. But to graft a pre-planned VH1 Best Week Ever-level joke onto a nationally televised discussion about life and death and our role on the world stage is scarcely less pathetic than the desperate flailings of the McCain campaign that I smugly scoffed at four years ago.

    It’s not just that joke. Obama has taken to using “Romnesia” to describe Romney’s inability or unwillingness to hew to a policy position for more than two weeks. “He’s forgetting what his own positions are, and he’s betting that you will, too,” Obama said at a rally in Virginia last week. “We’ve got to name this condition that he’s going through. I think it’s called ‘Romnesia.'” Today, summing up the debate, Obama called Romney’s performance “at least Stage 3 Romnesia.”

    This is very, very dumb. Maybe “Romnesia” is a funny, handy term that usefully carries an important anti-Romney message. But even if it is, it is just too juvenile and jokey to be coming from the president. He shouldn’t be making jokes based on his opponent’s name. That’s what vice presidents are for. Put it in John Kerry’s mouth. He’ll say anything.

    But when Obama says it, it comes off as unserious and jocular. It’s the kind of joke that, had a speechwriter proposed it four years ago, 2008 Obama would have smirked at and said, “OK guys, let’s get down to work.” The term, it bears noting, was apparently coined on Twitter by a guy going by the name of @breakingnuts. This is not how you put away childish things.

    Nor is it by holding up a binder at your stump speech, as Joe Biden has taken to doing in mockery of Romney’s “binders full of women line.” The “binders” meme is just that—a funny little Twitter and Tumblr belch, an acerbic diversion. For the vice president of the United States to pick up on it and amplify it in an attempt to harvest a perceived opportunity is to confuse dumb gags with arguments.

    It’s what John Ellis calls the “trending on Twitter” campaign, and it’s beneath Obama. Twitter—as with other social media that both campaigns are desperately working—is just as empty and mindless as the cable news void Obama decried so effectively four years ago. For his campaign to routinely venerate its judgments today is fundamentally at odds with Obama’s sense of himself as the adult in the room.

    So stick to the serious stuff and let dumb bloggers make the jokes, Mr. President. That’s what we’re here for. You’re getting all wee-wee’d up.



  102. Thank you S. Animals , are ideed, a gift from Heaven. This is my first dog and he has been so loyal, loving and always there for me. I pray the eye treatments work and can slow the progression of his disease.

  103. For what it’s worth:

    Donald Trump to reveal ‘divorce papers of Michelle and Barack Obama’, claims respected financial pundit

    Donald Trump is to claim that he has unearthed divorce papers of Michelle Obama and the President, according to a respected financial pundit with links to the tycoon.

    It is alleged that the eccentric real estate mogul will claim that the documents show the First Lady and the President were at one point in their two decades of marriage seriously considering splitting up.

    Trump set the hare running on Monday by claiming that he was set to make an announcement on Wednesday that would be ‘bordering on gigantic’ and that it would ‘possibly’ change the Presidential race.–claims-respected-financial-pundit.html

  104. Fox News Confirms Romney will run 30-minute infomercial in key battleground states – Romnney spending and going big for last 2 weeks.

  105. moononpluto
    October 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    Fox News Confirms Romney will run 30-minute infomercial in key battleground states – Romnney spending and going big for last 2 weeks.

    that is great news…I was hoping for that…

  106. Caddell is furious Mitt didn’t go after the POS on Libya. Says he could have ended the race last night. And he had two clear chances.

    I was equally furious last night. I have since read numerous articles opining it was a strategy and while that may be true and the strategy may turn out to be effective I agree with Caddell that Mitt owed it to the American people to unveil the truth.

    But that;s just me. It won’t change m vote but I am disappointed.

  107. Jbstonesfan,

    Dogs are amazing. I lost my friend of 17 years in 2007. It was heartbreaking. One thing about parrots, they have a long lifespan. Venus is 30 oe so and will outlive me. Basil and Wyntre can both live 35 years.

  108. BREAKING NEWS: In the first indication that the Obama campaign is abandoning Virginia, Virtucon has received information that the Obama campaign has ceased polling in the Commonwealth. (Such a move confirms the recent trend showing Romney taking the lead in Virginia over Obama.) This information comes to us from a high level Republican source with whom we have had long experience and reliability.

  109. S
    October 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    If the courts cave to Allred/POS after keeping the POS’s records under lock and key all he11 will break loose. Mitt will be ready with tons of POS oppo research, IMHO. Or, if not Mitt, one of his PACS.

    There’s already news of a POS cocaine dealer story Mitt has refused to sign onto. And there’s always Donald.

  110. RidUsOfZero
    October 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    No one cares about that. IF that’s Trump’s bombshell it’s a dud.

  111. Donald Trump JUST shut up! I’ve been married 35 years and I’ve come close to divorce SEVERAL times. We don’t need the distractions cause you know what lame stream media will do, try to pin it on Romney camp and just some people would want to buy into it.

  112. Well,to be honest Obama screwed people doing this and did it to 2 other people he ran against, getting their divorce records unsealed, so kudos if he went down by the same method. All depends what is in them i suppose, if she alledged infidelity or abuse.

  113. If Trump’s bombshell is Obama divorce papers, at least Blair Hull & Jack Ryan will get to pee themselves laughing.

  114. jbstonesfan
    October 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 pm
    Thank you S. Animals , are ideed, a gift from Heaven. This is my first dog and he has been so loyal, loving and always there for me. I pray the eye treatments work and can slow the progression of his disease.

    God bless. We’ve had many over the years and its always painful to lose one. We lost a unkempt cocker spaniel that had been my Mom’s before she died. I learned a life lesson from that dog: that “smarts” and “beauty” aren’t as important as steadfast devotion and love.

  115. Please somebody get him to shut up! The reveals won’t help Romney and might even help obummer because he actually might get some sympathy vote. He’s tried to strap himself to the everday family and strife and yes, marital infidelity happens to most couples. SHUT UP DONALD. Romney is winning, don’t fcuk up a good thing.

    Also, Allred won’t win. I am most sure you can’t unseal those kinds of family law court proceedings. Allred is a bitch of utmost contempt. Someday karma will bite her ugly ass.

  116. Divorce = nothing burger. Romney’s got it sewn up so there’s no need for unforced errors from his pal Donald.

  117. We know that NBC will lie to protect Obama. The question is how long will they go on lying to promote a fiction. If Todd tells someone that Obama’s numbers are collapsing, then it is more probable than not that he believes this to be true and has some objective basis to believe that–most likely a NBC-WSJ poll. So deep they have been in denial, that less than a month ago the Wall Street Jounals bot in residence Jerry Seib–a Todd cohort asked Romney’s campaign manager whether he could see any way–any way that Romney could come back and win the election. The campaign manager mentioned the debates but was surprisingly non-committal. Well, Romney did a remarkable job in all three debates, and the ever likeable Obama got very nasty and showed the American People the side of him that his handlers in the campaign and big media had hidden from the American People. If you added it all up, I will bet you that Obama spent half a billion to vilify Romney and in the course of three debates that campaign argument not only failed, but it backfired. Now, the thing to watch is how quickly the exectives at NBC attempt to re-box the compass, because no longer is Obama true north to their profits. On the narrow question of when to hold em and when to fold em, its time to fold. The problem is FOX and now CBS are way ahead of them. They are a little like GM and Chryster–too slow to react to market changes. Or, like Chuck Todd–oblivious. I see it as a measure of his despair that he would be so careless as to admit that in public when he has been invested for so long in the opposite narrative.

    If Chuck Todd is now tells someone off the record that Obama’s numbers are collapsing, then it is more probable than not

    I trust Larry Johnson. When he says that Chuck Todd says that Obama’s numbers are collapsing, I believe that is what Chuck said. I also believe that Chuck believe what he said. And I believe that Chuck had an

  118. Obama Unnerved — by Ohio?
    By Michael Knox Beran
    October 23, 2012 10:20 A.M.

    Talk about the sullen presage of a campaign’s decay. Something was wrong with President Obama last night, to judge by his performance. Was Ohio on his mind? An AP story says that the Obama campaign is now talking about a way to win without taking the state:

    The vice president is midway through a three-day tour of uber-battleground Ohio, and Obama’s team contends it’s best way of ensuring victory is a win there. The campaign says internal polling gives Obama a lead in the Midwestern battleground state, in large part because of the popularity of the president’s bailout of the auto industry.

    But even if Obama loses Ohio, his campaign sees another pathway to the presidency by nailing New Hampshire, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nevada and Colorado.

    That the Obama camp is even talking about losing Ohio is a stunning turn of events.

  119. Maybe The trump thing is a warning shot at Obama saying “go on keep up with the Gloria Allred shit and i’ll bury you”

  120. Yup, its in play….Wow…Patriot Majority on the air in PA not for Casey, but for Obama…proves the race is tight in the Keystone State.

  121. moononpluto
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
    Maybe The trump thing is a warning shot at Obama saying “go on keep up with the Gloria Allred shit and i’ll bury you”

    The “mutually assured destruction” angle crossed my mind.

  122. We’re not as high-minded as so many of you. 🙂

    We wish we were above the pettiness of viewing divorce papers but after Hull and Ryan and “you can’t run the White House if you can’t run your own house” dig by Michelle against Hillary in 2008 – we confess we simply would looooove to see divorce papers with all the ugly juicy details. Yum…. Yum…. Yummy.

    If it helps Obooba and the missus then we will grouse and squawk but won’t want to see anything that in any way helps Obooba. But sometime after the election we want to post the d-i-v-o=r-c-e papers and post Michelle videos mocking Hillary.

    No, we’re not as high-minded as some. We want the dirt, all the dirt, and nothing but the dirt so help us Trump. 🙂

  123. blowme0bama
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
    Far be it for me to count our chickens before they hatch, but we should contingency plans to deal with an outcome that seems more likely with ever passing day. That contingency plan should deal with what we will say when he and his Chicago scumbags go home with their tail between their legs. Obviously, it depends on how much cheating he does, whether he steps down gracefully, whether he lets his followers riot, whether he tries to cede our soverignty to the UN in the waning days of his presidency. But assuming he behaves civily, then a letter of condolance would be fitting and proper. My view is that letter should congratulate him for his historic loss, ask him to leave the White House intact, and advise him how relieved we all are that despite his loss, he and Michelle will be fine. Your handle, i.e. blowmeobama would provide the perfect close.

  124. O.M.G!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Messina says we don’t have bayonets anymore!

    The ignorance is appalling! (and funny. Wonder if Stewart will pick up on this)

  125. Trumps not stupid, he would not go there unless there was something in it that could be bad, maybe its the details or the actual “grounds for divorce” because divorcing on grounds of “he lost a political race” is total utter bullshit.

    The WH denied these papers existed earlier this year, would it not have been easier to say, yes all marriages have problems including us, would have made them look more normal unless……….

  126. admin
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
    I am tempted to rewrite the words–

    Like um . . er . . . I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T.

    Tammy was terrific. Obama is not.

  127. I hope Trump’s surprise isn’t divorce papers unless:

    1- The divorce will be as soon as his ass gets kicked out of the oval.

    2- MO divorces him for being gay.

    3- Something as dramatic as the two above, it would be awful for his children to learn of either from Trump.

    I hope Trump has something good and not tacky.

  128. somebody needs to make the Messina video go viral and include the training video of them with Bayonets. Because Messina distinctly says we DON’T have bayonets anymore which reinforces that Bambi was saying that.

  129. Now after reading what admin said……

    Let there be dirt, dark, smelly, sticky dirt.

    Trump, don’t disappoint us…I wanted you for Prez, now don’t let me down.

  130. Moon, I wasn’t aware the WH disavowed the existence of any such papers at all. HEE HEE Grounds might be interesting.

  131. Would not be a better xmas present than to have a whole load of shit drop on Bambi right now. Don’t stop with that. Seems Ortiz lady had her day in court in Indiana and the judge will rule next week. That is the only thing that I see that could actually stop the election dead in its tracks, she wins, they throw Bambi off the ballot, he appeals and further delays the election. Someone tell me how stupid I am to even think that LOL

  132. BASIL99
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Messina says we don’t have bayonets anymore!
    If you hang around the barroom after a PGA event, you will find that the players divide into two groups. The ones who are winning are all hyped up, and they say things like I could not miss a putt, the ball went in the hole as if it had eyes. Meanwhile, the losers sit around the bar, and they bitch, and they moan, they are snarky etc. For example, Lee Trevino came to town and shot a cool 90. After the round a reporter came up to him while he was still fuming and asked him how he liked the course. Trevino responded there aint nothing wrong with this course that a good bulldozer cannot solve. Snark.

    The Obama campaign ended the debate series in the same way they began. Snarky. And the reason they are snarky is because they are losing–and they have no idea what to do about it. The mistake was made at the convention. Then there was time to move to the center and soften his image. Instead he adopted a negative approach and the results speak for themselves.

  133. I was gonna toss up Christina Aguilera video, ‘Dirty’….but there are some folks that might object. 😉

  134. Up to this point Trump has made exaggerated claims which never seem to pan out. Let us hope it is different this time.

  135. just ventured over to Taylor Marsh, she is in semi meltdown mode. Trying to say “the media” is giving Mitt a free ride and she advised days ahead they would. This woman is seriously crazy. I predict that November she’ll be off the web period. I despised her since she turned coat on Hillary in 08.

  136. Just seems funny, The Trump thing is scheduled to drop just as Gloria Allred is starting her crap tomorrow, maybe the leaking of the info from Trump really is a “you really want to go there” warning.

  137. An adviser to Donald Trump told The Daily Caller on Tuesday that speculation that the real estate mogul’s “very big” revelation about President Barack Obama expected this week has to do with college-era allegations involving cocaine is not true.

    “Mr. Trump’s announcement is substantially more important to the American people than these allegations made against the president,” Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump, told TheDC by phone on Tuesday.

  138. Donald may actually be onto something but his phrasing of “it may change some minds” makes me wonder. If it was bambi being outed as gay…well maybe a lot. Outed as a druggie, somewhat. Outed as abuser .. a whole lot.

    Why haven’t they had the girls at the debates? You don’t see that “family” unit that Mooch tries to portray. They should be there to offer moral support. Something is up.

    Donald’s chose of whether he thinks this is “big enough” concerns me. His “maybe” it will change some minds. We’ll know soon OR we’ll find he’s dropped it and you don’t hear from Alred. Then we’ll know he flushed her out

  139. BASIL99
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
    Messino worked for Harry Reid before Obama. He sent the SEIU thugs to attack the Tea Party in St. Louis. Messino is a thug.

  140. Don’t think Mitt had any affairs. The records are in a court of law so could it have to do with his counsel of the woman in his church? Would that be sealed in records of a court???

  141. Is the 4 and 5 point lead comfortable enough in Rasmussen and Gallup?
    Depends on how much cheating there is. In Indiana primary it cost us 8 points–but that was a caucus format.

  142. Alred reminds me of Johnny Cochrane. A celebrity with marginal legal skills. If you watched the OJ trial, you saw Cochrane lose motion after motion before Ito by day, and by night you watched pundits talk about how Cochrane mopped up the court room. Serious practitioners have little respect for people like Alred. My disapppointment with her was personal. She should have filed a lawsuit against the DNC, but settled for turning her putting the napkin on the table over her mouth as a great symbolic act, which was a nothingburger—like her.

  143. I’m with dot48 on the divorce thing. If that’s all The Donald has….big woop. Who hasn’t seriously considered filing for divorce at one time or another. Donald has a really thorough understanding of business and economics, and may have something important to add to the discussion with regard to those areas. But, when it comes to political campaigning, sometimes he just gets way too wound up about things not worth getting all jerked out of shape about. I hope this isn’t one of those times. Unless he has some substantial dirt and not something that typical middle class Americans have had to deal with or witness in their friend/family groups, then this could blow up in Trump’s (and Romney’s) face.

  144. I got this bizarre campaign request from “Romney Victory’ asking up to , are you ready, $75,800, and pretty much asking me to be a bundler, LOL. I have to think this is a scam.

    I tried to find something on line about this committee, but couldn’t. Di any of you get a request?

    Also I would like to say that I think Romney gets us… this is a very smart, focused man. I had no idea. I paid absolutely no attention to him in 2008 and I have become very fond and protective of him.

  145. It’s Ground Game Time For The Win In 2012
    By: Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) | October 23rd, 2012 at 03:47 PM | 6


    The Goal Is Within Sight

    Not a lot remains about which to philosophize. Two weeks remain, the debates have finished and Campaign 2012 is down to the brass tacks of game-day execution. Having read everyone’s polls until I’m sick of the concept, I can boil election 2012 down to the following if/then/else statement.

    If turnout >= D+5, then Barack Obama is re-elected
    Else, America is liberated.

    We should be about to capture the big prize, but another question is what happens to the Senate. With Romney’s surge, this has swung back in our favor as well. Jim O’ Sullivan of The American Thinker tells us that at present, we should expect wins in NE, WI, and ND. He says we are likely to win MN and NV. After this, it gets more tenuous. FL and VA are day-to-day. MA, CN, and (amazingly) MO are still long shot possibilities. Against this, the GOP loses a seat in ME and probably MA.

    When I read this between the lines, I get the following logic table.
    If turnout >= D+8, GOP gets net +1.
    If turnout >= D+5, GOP gets net +3
    If turnout >=D +2 GOP gets net +5
    If Turnout >=D-1 GOP takes +8.

    Just so I state the obvious and put it out there for all to see, you have a vote concerning what that turnout looks like. In 2008, we saw what D+8 looked like. In 2010, we saw how things looked at D+0. Here’s how we can make 2012 look more like 2010 than 2008.

    We have the enthusiasm to make this happen. Ace of Spades tells us that Gallup has surveyed party affiliation from 1-21 Oct. Here’s what they got: Gallup survey of party affiliation preference for 1-21 Oct: Dem 34.3% GOP 34.1% Ind 31.6%. That’s right where we need to be to get the Senate. The missing ingrediant here is YOU

    So how do we put Romney solidly over the top and take the Senate? We go to work on the Independent vote. Walk precincts. Work phone banks. Display yard signs, bumper stickers, Romney/Ryan bath toys, et al. You don’t have to get in anybody’s face, pace Obama, but letting America know who’s team you’re proud to support overcomes any potential “Shy Tory” effect that would prevent a wavering moderate from voting against Barack Obama.

  146. gonzotx

    A bundler…

    I was asked to donate $15…guess they have my number since Hillary is the only one I ever donated to.

  147. dot48
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    I took a look over there earlier today to see reaction to debate…that place is an obot cesspool….the comments are so petty and childish…TM is an identity crisis in denial…she does not know what she thinks…only in her own mind as in she keeps saying “I have been writing about this…I told you’ delusion…

    she has fallen very low…

  148. Can’t we all just vote today and have done with it?
    This diseased warthog of an election can’t end fast enough. Two more weeks is intolerable. Each waking hour, I feel compelled to seek out stories like this one by Nate Silver. Great work — yet it churns my stomach. We’re all sick of polls and analyses of polls and the spinning of polls and the criticizing of polls and the chewing of polls and the spitting of polls and the dissection of polls and the pallor of polls and the putrescence of polls. We’re sick of the people who say that polls are paramount and of the people who say that polls don’t matter.

    I’m actually looking forward to whatever rabbits Donald Trump and/or Gloria Allred may pull out of their hats. At least they won’t talk about polls.

    Odd thing…it’s hard to find any writer, right or left, who believes that The Donald has made a serious discovery. I predict that his announcement will shake the nation to its core. Lightning will flash and statues will bleed and newborn infants will recite from the Kalevala in Finnish. Why do I say such things? Because nobody else is saying such things and I want to be different.

  149. gonzotx
    October 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    October 23rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    So is Brown losing in MA?

  150. Is anyone else so looking forward to John Sununu’s next appearance on CNN with Soledad Obrien? I’m sure he will be so consoling to the poor little thing…

  151. RCP Average: Warren +1.7 RCP Ranking: Toss Up

    WBB, it is a toss up, hope he pulls it out, she is soo disgusting

  152. I do not know what the legal grounds are for unsealing court records in Massachusetts.

    Typically, the burden of proof is high.

    Otherwise there would be no point in sealing them in the first place.

    Most likely, the records were sealed pursuant to a settlement agreement.

    Absent murder or some heinous crime, my sense is that there are no legitimate grounds for the court to so rule.

    If the court unseals the records in the absense of such grounds, then I would not scruple to say the court is corrupt.

    Now this judge was appointed by Deval Patrick, and that fact alone raises an adverse inference.

    By contrast, Ted Kennedy’s Chapaquiddic daliance and murder record was sealed for 99 years–no one has opened those records.

    The judge should also weigh the affect it will have on public trust in the judiciary if she pre-empts the electoral process in this manner.

  153. gonzotx
    October 23rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    Thanks Gonzo. I know Bill Jacobsen is doing everything he can to make sure that the pathological liar Granny Warren who has broken every oath she has taken, and is a poseur who games the affirmative action clusterfuck does not win.

  154. Shadowfax
    October 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Now after reading what admin said……

    Let there be dirt, dark, smelly, sticky dirt.

    That reminds me of the lyrics to Hair (I know – dating myself)

    Let there be dirt
    Lots of dirty dirt
    dark and smelly
    stinky, nasty, scrumptious

    Gimme head with hair
    Long beautiful hair
    Shining, gleaming,
    Streaming, flaxen, waxen

  155. Divorce papers will be relevant and damaging depending on what MO is accusing him of. Let us see what he did and whatever it is it will shatter his cool and lovable brand to pieces.

  156. Brown was also down before he won against Coakley. I still think Brown will pull it out. Even Bloomberg is now speaking out against Warren.

    As for Trump, I wish he hadn’t started this whole “change the race” nonsense, Romney’s winning, we don’t need to change the race, just continue on this trajectory to a romney win. However, that being said, I’m also reading that the moron Alred is going to have some stupid presser tommorow about how cruel Romney was to women etc. So maybe that is why Trump is doing this, to offset Alred. If that is why, then I can see that because to the average voter it will be wash, both sensational stories, can’t cover one without the other, and people will just say, “who cares? I want a job, and romney’s the guy who seems to be able to right this country’s economy”
    If Trump is doing this for his own sensational purposes, then he needs to shut up.

  157. Dear Republicans, please run some decent candidate who can keep their damn mouths, or at least have some sense on how stupid the words coming out of their mouth sound. Better yet, run women, more women like Sarah Palin or Mia Love, who have more sense than idiots like Murdock and Akin!

    from Fox’s twitter feed.
    “Indiana GOP Senate candidate Richard Mourdock says during debate that when rape results in pregnancy, it’s “something God intended.” “

  158. well, unlike Akin, at least Murdock called it a “horrible situation”, still do they have not have any filter in their heads on how the words come out and how it will sound once its a soundbite, and especially coming from a man’s perspective. And why are they even talking about this? Why can’t they stick to the economy.

    from Fox’s reporter, the exact quote:
    “when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen”

  159. Has anyone noticed that Hill buzz is speculating that the big Thump from Trump is documentation that BO listed himself as an Indonesian citizen to be eligible for financial aide to attend college. I be back with link.

  160. So far Trump has been all talk. Please stay away from Mitt. He is doing well. No
    birth er distractions.

  161. Greta is reporting OTurd admin knew this was a al-queda linked terrorist attack as it happened, not the video, there is a WH email trail for this that has just come out.


    Odd memory regarding this just came back to me. Back just after the 2008 GE, on one of the Hillary forums this same speculation was made by a forum member. She stated that she and BO would have been entering college at roughly the same time period, and that during that time, colleges were really trying to find foreign students to grant money too. This poster, who stated that she was often mistaken for someone of Hispanic heritage, said that when she first entered college, officials at the school frequently approached her about giving her a college grant. She said there was a big push during that time to get foreign students into American colleges, and the schools were eager to award money to these students.

    She speculated then that Obama had probably experienced the same thing. Wish the forum was still active, I’d find the post.

  163. I swear to God if Trump or Alred mucks this election up I am going to hunt them both down myself. I am sick of both these self-serving, self-important, egotistical maniacs.

  164. tim
    October 23rd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
    Greta is reporting OTurd admin knew this was a al-queda linked terrorist attack as it happened, not the video, there is a WH email trail for this that has just come out.
    Yes, for 7 hours nothing was done??

  165. Tim, here’s another liberal democrat that will not vote for O
    No liberal democrat who is true to his values will ever vote for O. Why? Simple. True liberal democrats believe in the Constitution. Obama and his surrender monkeys do not. Obama and his attorney do not believe in the rule of law. They believe in the rule of men. During his four year tenure, the Obama Administration has attacked most of the Bill of Rights–free speech, free exercise of religion, right to petition government for a redress of grievances, gun rights . Obama will make them irrelevant, just as the Bolsheviks made the Mencheviks irrelevant, search and seizure, due process, speedy trial, habeaus corpus, cruel and unsual punishment, states rights, separation of powers, the powers of Congress and the Judiciary. When you look at the entire picture, as I did in a paper I wrote and gave to the Romney campaign it becomes obvious that one of his goals, as well as Holders, is to undermine the constitution and to grand powers previously exercises by the people and their lawful representatives, to faceless bureacrats, here in the United States and at the United Nations. He is truly the enemy of the people. The problem is he has such a congenial personality and is so protected by big media that only one in ten people really understand the irreparable harm he is doing to a governmental structure and philosophy that has provided freedom and prosperity to millions people over the last 200 plus years.

  166. This is a very nice video of a close friend of one of Romney’s sons being interviewed by Charlie Rose. This guy has written a book about Mitt, specifically about the many acts of kindness and generosity he has extended to other people over the years. Rose and the other guests/co-hosts/whatever are actually very nice and open to the author, with the African-American female guest recalling having been aware of Mitt’s kindness toward Susan St. James and Dick Ebersol when their son was killed in a plane crash. It’s nice to see something positive without being followed by a snide, ridiculing remark. I doubt this will embed, but is posted at Women state

  167. John R. Dykstra ‏@John_R_Dykstra

    Obama dropping like drunk uncle: Intrade now showing O=54.5 R=45.4 > Overnight change in spread from 21.8 pts to 9.1 pts > 58% closing.

  168. These emails are damaging to everyone. There is NO WAY IN Hell the WH Situation Room had them and Obama was not told.

  169. The reason Obama wanted a taxpayer bailout as opposed to an orderly bankruptcy was because the bailout protected the unions–by giving them seats on the board, and preserved the lucrative, non competitive UAW contract. If they had gone through a bankruptcy proceeding the contract would have been renegotiated to a lower rate, GM would have survived (don’t let anyone tell youi different) and been a much leaner company, with a lower operating cost, which would enable them to price their product more competitively in world markets. Obama put the entire economic burden of the contract inefficiencies and rate differentials on the backs of the American taxpayers. In sum, the bail-out was never about saving GM. It was about saving a non-competitive contract which had become a suicide pact between the company and union. It was the wrong thing to do to the taxpayers, the bondholders, the shareholder, and in the long term the employees themseleves,

  170. Obama dropping like drunk uncle: Intrade now showing O=54.5 R=45.4 > Overnight change in spread from 21.8 pts to 9.1 pts > 58% closing
    I really believe that if Obama is re-elected we will not have a country in another four years.

  171. John R. Dykstra ‏@John_R_Dykstra

    Obama dropping like drunk uncle: Intrade now showing O=54.5 R=45.4 > Overnight change in spread from 21.8 pts to 9.1 pts > 58% closing.
    Norma, can you explain this. To me it is gibberish.

  172. Wbboei – go take a look:

    and of course, the a**-kissing NYT explanation

    October 23, 2012
    Brief Betting Surge for Romney on Intrade

    For a moment it looked as if Mitt Romney’s chances of becoming the next president were up, way up.

    His odds of winning the election soared around 10 a.m. Tuesday to nearly 49 percent on the betting site Intrade, up about eight percentage points from a few minutes earlier.

    The numbers on Intrade, which have put the odds of President Obama’s winning on Nov. 6 at over 60 percent for the last several weeks, are closely watched by pundits and Wall Street traders because they are constantly updated based on wagers on the changing election odds. In 2008, the site’s users correctly predicted an Obama victory.

    But the system is relatively thinly traded and so a few politically motivated bettors with money to burn can place strategic wagers that push around the numbers displayed on the site.

    The economist Justin Wolfers, an expert on prediction markets, said that all the indicators from Tuesday morning suggested that someone, or a few people, intentionally inflated Mr. Romney’s numbers by offering a considerable premium over what shares were selling for. Unfortunately for Mr. Romney, they fell back almost as quickly, as other gamblers took advantage of the dislocation and pushed the price down. Mr. Wolfers estimated that it cost the traders responsible $1,250 to give Mr. Romney, the Republicans’ nominee, a six-minute surge.

    Intrade did not respond to requests for comment.

    The good news from Intrade wasn’t all so short-lived for Mr. Romney. His chances on the site did rise from where they had been before the final presidential debate on Monday night, ending Tuesday around 43.5 percent.

  173. I can tell you from personal experience that they are dead serious about the 100 foot rule in Texas. And they are not going to allow these officious intermeddlers brought in by left wing hate groups like the new NAACP to interfere with a fair election. They shold send them to Philadelphia where the real voter fraud and intimidation at the polls took place, by the New Black Panther Party.

    Texas Attorney General warns OSCE on Election Observations
    By: Neil Stevens (Diary) | October 23rd, 2012 at 08:15 PM | 24

    Left-wing groups (like the have gone to international organizations in the run up to this election, seeking to apply global governance to the United States. The results of this is that the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE, not the UN as is often reported) has announced it will send election observers—-with the implication that Voter ID laws are the problem.

    Now, the reason they’re only investigating Republican-run areas is that Republicans would never run to the OSCE or anyone else to interfere with American elections. But that said, we must not let the OSCE observers think they are above the law. The OSCE is a voluntary organization and it has no binding authority over anyone, which is why Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott has warned the OSCE that Texas laws will apply, including bars on unlawful entry of polling places.

    Abbott wasn’t shy as he closed his letter:

    Elections and election observation are regulated by state law. The Texas Election Code governs anyone who participates in Texas elections—including representatives of the OSCE. The OSCE’s representatives are not authorized by Texas law to enter a polling place. It may be a criminal offense for OSCE’s representatives to maintain a presence within 100 feet of a polling place’s entrance. Failure to comply with these requirements could subject the OSCE’s representatives to criminal prosecution for violating state law.

    It seems clear to me that if you’re threatening to prosecute foreign observers, then you’d have to arrest them to do so, because otherwise they’d just flee the country. Arresting OSCE observers would be a strong act to preserve the rule of law, which of course means he’s going to get strong opposition from the left on this.

    But I’m sure glad America has Texas to take the lead on liberty and federal government, time and again. If not Texas, who?



    A story on The says the observers will be from Germany, France, Serbia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

    So are the left wing groups who want these observers saying we should have voter ID requirements like Germany and France already do?

    Or are they saying that Serbia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan are models of democracy that the US should emulate?

  174. TMZ: Boston Globe, Gloria Allred Trying to Unseal Court Records In Someone Else’s Divorce; Got Tip Record Contains “Juicy Information” About Romney

    Unless Romney was boinking the woman — which seems unlikely — I don’t know what they hope to get out of this.

    Mitt Romney was heavily involved in the extremely messy divorce of one of his key supporters … and the Boston Globe is going to court first thing Wednesday morning in an attempt to unseal the court file as well as lift a gag order … TMZ has learned.The divorce was between Staples co-founder Tom Stemberg and his first wife Maureen. We’re told the divorce battle lasted for years and was extremely ugly.Sources tell us Romney gave both a deposition in the divorce and testified in the trial. According to our sources, the Boston Globe got a tip that there was “juicy information about Romney” in the sealed documents.
    TMZ believes Gloria Allred represents Maureen, but they haven’t confirmed it.

    This would be a fitting cap to Obama’s political career — going out the same way he got in. Unsealing divorce records.

    That observation is from Allah, who I wanted to link anyway because of the Trump Situation. Apparently Trump is saying it’s not the coke claim, and the NYPost’s Page 6 hears it’s also not the alleged divorce papers.

    Here’s Trump, promoting it

  175. Norma Desmond
    October 23rd, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    “The economist Justin Wolfers, an expert on prediction markets”

    I would rather rely on a chimpanzee flipping a coin than that idiot.

    With a name like that only one conclusion is possible.

    He is a 29 year old bot who pretends to know everthing but in fact knows nothing.

    If he works for a security firm, they should fire his ass for incompetence.

  176. Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.

    Interesting that in the RCP General Election average poll all the polling is done with Likely Voters. These are the polls that will determine a polling company’s accuracy rating at the end of the election. Mitt is up .9 on the average.

    Now look at Obama’s approval. This number won’t effect the rating of a polling company. Obama approval +2.7. Why so high if he is losing the general election poll? CBS and Gallup are using ALL VOTERS numbers and scewing the average to favor Obama.

  177. White House Told Al-Qaeda Associated Group Took Credit For Benghazi Attack Within Two Hours

    And Obama looked the American people in the eye and gave a rehearsed “How dare you accuse me” speech.

    Obama lies, Obama lies, Obama lies!!!!!!

  178. ALSO (pardon the add on dri): Please remember today, the 241 Marines killed in the Beirut bombing attack, in 1983. 29 years

  179. If ACE is right, then here is my guess as to what happened. There was a messy divorce, it went to court, Mitt testified on behalf of his partner, her attorney tried and failed to impeach him, the ex-wife blames Romney and has not gotten over it. Spare me the soap opera, I am really not interested. And keep the records sealed. There is no good faith basis for this request to unseal. It is nothing more than a fishing expedition.


    Register editor: Obama off-the-record comments deserve to be shared with voters
    8:22 PM, Oct 23, 2012 | by Rick Green |
    Categories: From the Editor’s Desk

    The Des Moines Register’s publisher and I spoke with President Barack Obama this morning — but we can’t tell you what he said.

    Just four days before the Register’s presidential endorsement is released, Laura Hollingsworth and I received a phone call from the president. He was calling from Florida, on the heels of a morning campaign appearance and about 14 hours after his debate with GOP nominee Mitt Romney at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Fla.

    The conference call lasted nearly 30 minutes and was an incredibly informative exchange of questions, answers and an insightful glimpse into the president’s vision for a second term. He made a genuine and passionate case for our endorsement and for reelection.

    Just two weeks before Election Day, the discussion, I believe, would have been valuable to all voters, but especially those in Iowa and around the country who have yet to decide between the incumbent Democrat and his Republican opponent.

    Unfortunately, what we discussed was off-the-record. It was a condition, we were told, set by the White House.

    We learned Monday afternoon that the president would be available to us this morning. Like most newspapers around the country, the Register has lobbied for months to get both candidates to appear before our editorial board to analyze the important issues confronting Iowa, the rest of the country and the world.

    Typically, these visits are an opportunity for us to ask questions, get details on platforms and positions and to contrast each opponent’s views. These exchanges are weighed when our five-member editorial board – which also relies heavily on independent and extensive research — meets and drafts our endorsement editorial.

    Romney appeared before our board Oct. 9. We literally met in a barn on a family farm owned by Jeff Koch, just west of Van Meter.

    We had a wide-ranging conversation in a little under an hour of access. He squeezed us in just before a campaign stop that spotlighted his agriculture policies. With the exception of one final question (“Why have you earned the Des Moines Register’s endorsement?”) his camp said the interview could not be videotaped, which has become our typical practice with politicians meeting our editorial board. But the audio was digitally recorded and posted on

    We repeatedly –- and politely — have asked Obama 2012 campaign officials in Iowa and Chicago for the same access to the president. I believe it earned serious consideration. But despite at least 28 campaign stops and 11 days in our state, we never could convince his team to carve out a few moments for our editorial board –- in our office, on the trail or even in a barn somewhere in Iowa.

    Which takes me back to Monday afternoon’s call from the White House, inviting us to chat with President Obama this morning.

    It was a “personal call” to the Register’s publisher and editor, we were told. The specifics of the conversation could not be shared because it was off-the-record.

    Of course, we immediately lobbied his campaign staff in Des Moines for a formal, on-the-record call. We were told it was not their decision; it came from the White House. We requested that the White House be asked to reverse course so whatever the president shared with us could be reviewed by voters and our readers.

    No reason was given for the unusual condition of keeping it private.

    We relented and took the call. How could we not? It’s the leader of the free world on line one.

    And as we weigh with our editorial board this critical decision about who to endorse, it was necessary for us to discuss the challenges confronting our state, nation and world with the president -– even when handcuffed by rules related to what could be shared.

    However, after our call, I did send a note to the communications chief of the president’s Iowa campaign. I asked that it be shared with others who decided to shortchange readers and voters everywhere from hearing the president’s very thoughtful and specific responses to our questions focused on rebuilding the national economy, imploding the gridlock that has gripped Washington, his priorities for a second term and the importance Iowa plays in winning a second term on Nov. 6.

    “Thanks for making today’s call happen,” I wrote to spokesperson Erin Seidler. “It was very beneficial, informative and wide-ranging. I appreciate the hurdles that needed to be cleared.”

    However, “one note of feedback for you and the Obama Team: It should have been on the record. You would have wanted this 30-minute conversation to be shared with the rest of Iowa. I understand all the worries, the fears and potential implications. … I know how one slip-up could lead to a (news) cycle-changing ‘gotcha.’ But you and I both know Iowa is coming down to the wire and the polls are incredibly close.

    “What the President shared with us this morning — and the manner, depth and quality of his presentation – would have been well-received by not only his base, but also undecideds. From a voter standpoint, keeping it off-the-record was a disservice.”

    It’s important that I emphasize the White House’s decision won’t play a factor in our board’s final endorsement decision. That would be petty and ridiculous. We take far too seriously what’s at stake this election and what our endorsement should say.

    And I write this not to poke the president’s team. I get that he’s busy. I understand the demands of running a country and a competitive campaign.

    Instead, this blog, I hope, reveals in a transparent way the rigors of covering a heated presidential race in a critical swing state and the circumstances that unfold far from the view of our readers.

    Yet, it also speaks to the transparency all voters should demand from the candidates. They want more than just repetitive sound bites on the campaign trail or rehearsed one-liners from debate stages.

    Our expectation is that the answer to one of the most important questions the Register ever can ask a politician –- “Why should you be our president?” –- deserves to be shared with voters.

    It’s unfortunate that did not happen today.

    Look for the Register’s endorsement to appear here on at 7 p.m. Saturday and in our Sunday print edition.

  181. Expanding the map: GOP moves to lock down ME-02.
    By: Moe Lane (Diary) | October 23rd, 2012 at 09:19 PM | 5

    Essentially, the Restore Our Future Super PAC* will be putting in a 300K ad buy in that market over the next week. It’s a twofer: first, it helps blanket New Hampshire, which is one place where Obama for America is currently frantically trying to shore up its latest firewall. Second, it covers… ME-02. Recent partisan polling is showing Romney ahead, there: and since Maine is one of two states where some of its Electoral Votes are distributed by who wins its Congressional Districts, well. It’s apparently worth 300K to explore the possibility.

  182. I was reading HillBuzz, and apparently Allred is going to try to unseal some divorce papers, she is going to court tommorow to try and unseal them… maybe the lawyers here can explain something? If both parties in a case agree to seal the case, how can it a third party years later sue to unseal those documents?

    I don’t understand what the third party has to stand on in terms of legal foundation since the 2 parties in the lawsuit already decided to seal it.

  183. I thought this was an interesting observation by a TMZ poster on what may be really happening with the Allred court efforts in regards to Obama:


    “Yeah, this is a crappy shot by the Obama campaign (and don’t pretend Gloria isn’t a part of the campaign – she’s a MAJOR contributor). And they are trying to make it look like Romney diddled the wife. They don’t really care if the records are unsealed or not – in fact, it’s probably better if they don’t get unsealed so the innuendo can hang out there like a dump in the center of the room.

    But think about it… Romney’s company saved Staples. Who better to know the financial condition of the company? So when the CEO of the company is getting divorced and his shares have to be valued because the wife has a claim on them, who do you think they were going to subpoena to get to the truth about their value? Romney, of course.

    But hey, they sure have made it smell like sex. Nice job, Team Obama.”

  184. Final paragraph best summarizes last night’s debate.

    But the impression that will linger through Election Day is that of the sunny guy to the left of the screen who seemed to have ideas about where to go and was interrupted repeatedly by the guy on the right who made lots of points but, in the end, had no new ideas, couldn’t defend his record the few times it was challenged, and seemed a little unlikable.

    Bottom line: Obama is no longer “likable enough”.

    Fareed is a proven liar. And Obama is a proven liar. The Law of Attraction. Obama says you share my values. You have low values and I have no values. How about I put you on my long list of applicants for Secretary of State, and in the mean time shill for me. Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddddddd.

  186. Desperation is in the air, and The Chicago Machine’s ugliness is just starting to get ginned up. They’ve already all but accused Romney of being a “felon” and of murdering Joe Soptic’s wife, but now that the polls are moving against Obama – and the President’s closing argument has been reduced to Big Bird, binders, and bayonets – President Obama’s about launch his own personal freak show starring Jeremiah Wright, Gloria Allred, and Andrew Sullivan.

    It all started over the weekend, when former Democratic San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown let the cat out of the bag about Obama reaching out to his 20-year mentor, the racialist demagogue and America-hating Jeremiah Wright:

    If Obama looks as if he’s going black, he could turn off white people. So he’s largely been lying low on the race issues – visibly pushing for the Latino vote, the gay vote, the women’s vote, but not the black vote. But last weekend, he held a conference call with a collection of black preachers that included his old pastor, Jeremiah Wright. He wanted to talk to them about getting out the vote.

    Predictably, the White House would later throw Willie Brown under the bus.

    Today, things got improbably worse when the Daily Beast’s Andrew Sullivan, who has reportedly been a guest of Obama’s at the White House, launched into a punishingly long, bigoted, desperate anti-Mormon tirade against Romney that burns a warehouse full of strawmen and employs enough guilt-by-association to choke the ghost of Joe McCarthy:

    Romney’s response to the white supremacism of his church was to point to his mother’s and father’s secular support for civil rights for African-Americans, which ties in with Mormon founder Joseph Smith’s abolitionist convictions. And there is no question that Mitt Romney’s parents were heroic civil rights Republicans in the secular sphere – in a party that had not yet become the South’s racial plaything. And I do not doubt Mitt’s story about weeping upon hearing that the “ongoing revelation” had now changed. But all this evades the key question: what did the Romneys do to confront their own church’s non-secular position on the inherent spiritual inferiority of blacks?

    These are the same passive-aggressive tactics the monstrous Sullivan utilized for years to mercilessly torment (to the delight of the mainstream media) Governor Sarah Palin’s family.

    Obama’s infamous Trifecta of Freak-dom ended today with none other than — you knew this was coming — Gloria Allred:

    “The Boston Globe is headed to court tomorrow morning for an emergency hearing in an attempt to obtain a court order to unseal the sworn testimony given by Mitt Romney in a prior court case and to lift a gag order so that the parties can speak about Romney. Gloria Allred will be in court representing one of the parties in the case,” a source close to the situation tells

    The emergency hearing will take place at the Norfolk Probate & Family Court in Canton, Massachusetts, and Justice Jennifer Ulwick will oversee the proceedings which will begin at 9 a.m. EST.

    And let’s give an honorary freak show tip of the hat to Salon’s Joan Walsh, who wrote a piece about Romney titled: “The man without a soul.”

    This is all the man who ran on hope and change has left: to dogwhistle the dregs of the left-wing fever swamp to spew desperate venom on his behalf.

    Obama has never really been a President of the United States. He’s been too divisive and partisan since the day he took office to ever achieve that. On his best days, he was the leader of the Democratic party. On his worst days, he was nothing more than a Chicago political thug. And now, staring into the abyss with 13 days to go, it looks as though we’re about to see who this man really is.

    It will not be pretty. One poll showing Romney up in Ohio and Obama will be asking Bill Ayers to be a poll watcher.

  187. “another senate seat gone…”

    The man is an idiot without a filter, but I very much doubt that that the seat is gone. Indiana is socially pretty conservative.

  188. “The Chicago Machine’s ugliness is just starting to get ginned up.”

    It is going to get very very ugly these last 1 weeks, though I’m unsure what else they can call, infer, out-right-accuse Romney of?

    They’ve tried liar, felon, murderer, racist, out of touch, “not one of us”, stupid, moderate, extremist, etc.
    What else can they try? I guess we will find out in the remaining 2 weeks.

  189. Lets see….Emails proving the President is a liar or a statement by a senate candidate…..which will the media ride today…………you can guess which one they will go for.

  190. Best quote today :

    “People died, Obama lied hoping you wouldn’t find out the truth until after you voted. Benghazi is really just that simple.”

  191. Two weeks right now, we’ll know whether the nightmare is over or the turkeys just voted for thanksgiving.

  192. Best quote today :

    “People died, Obama lied hoping you wouldn’t find out the truth until after you voted. Benghazi is really just that simple.”

    Best quote and 100% accurate. The MSM will of course cover for their Messiah by not covering this story or outright ignoring it.

  193. If this was Bush that this happened again, gee I wonder how much the MSM would actually do its job, to the point of over doing it!

  194. First email was sent 20-30 min after the attack began. The 3rd and final email was sent about 2 hours later – entire attack lasted 7 hrs

    I see too many people tweeting ‘after the attack’. We need to be accurate: It was a 7 hr long attack & emails went out in the 1st 2 hours

    The last 2 Americans weren’t killed until final hour of the attack – 7 hours after it started. Which mean WHITE HOUSE already had the emails

    4 more hours of those brave guys hunkered down waiting for help when White House already had emails calling it a terrorist attack.

    Less than 3 hrs into a 7 hr attack State Dept. & WH has emails confirming Al Qaeda linked group claiming credit for on-going assault.


    Remember this, Libs are trying to say emails sent after the attack, no it was when started, WH knew less than 1 hours into attack and the attack lasted 7 hrs.

  195. Obama goes to the UN and gives this speech where he blames the Benghazi attack on the YouTube video and then had the nerve to stand at that debate and use righteous indignation that he be accused of lying.

    What a fucking lying two faced bastard. Sorry but I am furious.

  196. It’s becoming increasingly clear Amb. Stevens was LURED to Benghazi. Al Qaeda knew the 16 member Special Forces security team was gone.

  197. Went to cnn dot com and then foxnews dot com.

    Fox has the OTurd libyan lies in the front of the page. CNN on the side, and right below the libyan lies story, the Murdock story. Since I don’t have CNN anymore on TV, I still predict like Moononpluto, the CNNs, other OTurd media outlets will cover the senate candidate statements more than the outright provable lies on the Libyan murders by OTurd and his minions.

    Everyday the MSM in this country prove themselves to be lefty garbage, they no longer see themselves as holding people in power to account, that only happens when a dem is not in office.


    “Check out the now breaking news reports folks. Emails prove Obama White House KNEW – emails went directly to White House situation room detailing the Benghazi Massacre as a TERRORIST attack within TWO HOURS of the attack – and Barack Obama did NOTHING to save those four American lives.


    During the second presidential debate, Barack Obama angrily replied his administration would NEVER play politics when lives were lost.

    It now appears he did just that.




  199. moononpluto
    October 24th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    That is the rub.. the attack went on for 7 hours. WH didn’t know anybody had dies. The last two guys who died, died in the last hour of the attack. So the WH didn’t do anything to help the living.. there was an article on Monday about this in NationalReview.

  200. Can you imagine how the perpetrators and enemies were sniggering and laughing at Obama and his WH when they went around saying it was a video that caused the attack?

  201. Miscellany
    1. Scott Brown – just received USPS request. I was willing to give $25 one more time. His suggested figures were very high tho, so I tossed it.
    2.woman4power October 24th, 2012 at 2:41 am Damn Richard Mourdock. Don’t have the figure but I gave generously to him. Double damn Richard Mourdock because there was an MR video giving an endorsement of sorts for Mourdock. There was a tee vee statement that MR disagreed.
    3. Rand Paul is quite unknown to me. Yet his email today is one I’d like to highlight as he talks about his outrage over Benghazi deficiencies, money sent elsewhere to look good to the green world movement. Plans to utilizie lame duck between GE and new session. It deserves note.
    Sen. Rand Paul Speaks Out Against Pres.Obama’s Actions in Libya – 10/20/12 – YouTube
    “Where the hell were the marines?”
    “What happened to the plane?”

  202. Rasmussen Ohio : Romney 48% Obama 48%

    Taken the night after the debate, so probably moved a bit since then.

    This will fall Romney’s way soon.

  203. “Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

    Labor unions, liberal groups fear lame-duck betrayal by Obama
    By Alexander Bolton – 10/24/12
    Major labor unions and dozens of liberal groups working to elect President Obama are worried he could “betray” them in the lame-duck session by agreeing to a deal to cut safety-net programs.

  204. Obviously a big fat nothing….

    The usual web gossip peddlers are speculating about why Allred is involved and what political damage could come Romney’s way from the sideshow.

    The full details of the case and the nature of the hearing could not be learned, but Robert Jones, an attorney at the Boston law firm of Ropes & Gray, who is representing Romney in this matter told TIME in a statement, “This is a decades-old divorce case in which Mitt Romney provided testimony as to the value of a company. He has no objection to letting the public see that testimony.”


  205. I am sorry to say this but if Hillary hitched herself to Obama and she knew standing at those coffins that Obama was lying and this was a coverup then shame on her for not resigning and blowing him to kingdom come.

  206. From Twitter …..

    Tried to go to a Romney rally in Denver @ 10,000 seat venue. Got turned away b/c 25,000 showed up. Colorado’s looking awfully red.

  207. Donald Trump releasing at 12, timing is immaculate, straight after Gloria’s shenanigans and Trump says no-one has got the story correct yet????

  208. @ tim

    The emails may have gone to the situation room, but Beyonce and Jay Z probably threw them to the side for another photo op with teh won.

    Erstwhile some old man sits in jail awaiting to see the light of day because teh won’s team blamed everything on his crappy video.

  209. I think it’s unfair to condemn Hillary for not immediately outing her boss based on claims of responsibility for Benghazi attack by any specific group, especially given the extreme volatility of that region. There are always questions regarding whether those taking responsibility (or credit – as the terrorists groups see it) are, in fact, the perpetrators. It’s not surprising, however, give increasing buzz about a Hillary run in 2016 that the conservative news sources are trying to attach as much blame to her as possible.

    Hillary did not promote the notion that this was due to the video. Her boss and his spokespeople did. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect that she would jump in there and call him a liar. She continually stated that there needed to be a full investigation. She did refer to this as a terrorist attack – even while her boss refusing to do so. That’s pretty gutsy, if you ask me.

    I dislike Barack as much as the next person, but having worked for Hillary and supported a run for POTUS by her all these years, I don’t want to see her chances destroyed in order to defeat him. And, I don’t trust the spin by a bunch of right wing Clinton haters – not to mention women haters, like those in the ultra right wing media.

  210. Florida SoS : FL is nearing 1 million votes cast. More specifically to date, 926k absentee ballots have been cast, including 414k GOP and 364k DEM

  211. Ed Kline on Beck radio now exonerating HRC. Said HRC had requested beefed up security BEFORE attacks and was overruled. Perhaps someone has/can get a podcast or transcript.

  212. It was pretty explosive stuff, if true.

    Klein stated he had two sources for his info. Both were Clinton legal council. Also said Carney is scheduled for a Presser at 11(?)

    Should be interesting if this is addressed.


    “There were emails about all sorts of information that was coming available in the aftermath of the attack. The email you’re referring to was an open source unclassified email referring to an assertion made on a social media site that everyone in this room had access to and knew about instantaneously. There was a variety of information coming in, the whole point of an intelligence community and what they do is to assess strands of information and make judgments about what happened and who was responsible and I would refer you to what we’ve already said about, and what the DNI has said about the initial assessments of the inelegant community and the fact that throughout this process I and others make very clear that our prelim assessments were preliminary, that an investigation was underway and as more facts became available, we would make the American people aware of them. Again this was an open source, unclassified email posting on a facebook site.

    I would also note, I think within a few hours that organization itself claimed that it had not been responsible. Neither should be taken as fact. That’s why there’s an infestation underway.”

    INFESTATION? I am sure that is true, but I wonder if it’s a typo anyway




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  215. Rasmussen : New Hampshire: #Romney 50%, #Obama 48%…
    I think we will win New Hampshire. Hillary did, much to the surprise and chargrin of the big media whores. A Republican super pac is putting $300,000 in adverstising into Maine this week, to push that state, and New Hampshire into the Romney column. Meanwhile, the messiahs numbers continue to collapse, even as big media continues to insist this will be a very very very very very very very . . . . tight race. And intrade is a day late, and a dollar short.

  216. “The full details of the case and the nature of the hearing could not be learned, but Robert Jones, an attorney at the Boston law firm of Ropes & Gray, who is representing Romney in this matter told TIME in a statement, “This is a decades-old divorce case in which Mitt Romney provided testimony as to the value of a company. He has no objection to letting the public see that testimony.”

  217. “The full details of the case and the nature of the hearing could not be learned, but Robert Jones, an attorney at the Boston law firm of Ropes & Gray, who is representing Romney in this matter told TIME in a statement, “This is a decades-old divorce case in which Mitt Romney provided testimony as to the value of a company. He has no objection to letting the public see that testimony.”
    In re. Romney–doesn’t sound too juicy to me. If that proves to be the case, then we can say that Alred and Geraldo its in the vault Rivera have much in common. As it has been several years, and memory fades with the passage of time, I hope Romney has re read the transcript, so he knows what if anything they are referring to.

  218. …it would be great if Trump has secured either one of the two infamous videos that have escaped us…the Khalidi or the MO racist clip…

  219. Off-the-record: Obama says Latino vote will win re-election, vows immigration reform as reward… and if they buy that crock, then they are dumb idiots.

  220. hearing on net that Trump’s big revelation is that he is offering $5 million dollars for information on O???

    if that is it, forget it…another publicity stunt and silly and inconsequential

  221. freespirit
    October 24th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Bravo, I feel the same way.

    Hillary spoke up and said it was a terrorist attack before anyone in the O’admin…letting Barry throw her to the wolves. Then, Hillary accepted the blame on behalf of the State Dept, saying the buck stopped with her.

    Meanwhile, Barry just acted like the asshole he is an hid behind her skirt until his darling Candy, said at the debate, ‘The buck stops at you, right Mr. President?.” And Barry didn’t like conceding to it and didn’t restate it himself.

  222. Trump has offered Obama $5 Million to a charity of his choice to release his college transcripts and passport applications.

    Interesting proposition.

  223. Hillary called a press conference and still refused to call the attack terrorist!

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held a press conference this morning and addressed the Benghazi Consulate attack and cover-up. The Secretary of State would not call the massacre a terrorist attack despite the fact that top officials at the State Department knew a Libyan terror group took credit for the attack two hours after the consulate was penetrated on 9-11.

    It is getting more and more difficult defending Hillary to republican friends and acquaintances who are following every detail.

  224. Will air 2 days before the election. National Geographic denies any political motivation behind date…ya, for sure


    by JOEL B. POLLAK 23 Oct 2012 204 POST A COMMENT
    The New York Times reveals today–in a classic buried lede–that Harvey Weinstein’s film about the killing of Osama bin Laden, set to air on the National Geographic Channel two days before the election, originally included a scene showing Gov. Mitt Romney “appearing to oppose the raid,” a complete fabrication of history.
    The film, SEAL Team Six: The Raid on Osama bin Laden, grants President Barack Obama a “starring role,” and was edited–apparently at Weinstein’s suggestion–to embellish Obama’s involvement: “the film has been recut, using news and documentary footage to strengthen Mr. Obama’s role and provide a window into decision-making in the White House.” The director claims, in his defense, that the edits reduce Obama’s on-screen time.
    The Romney scene was cut at the insistence of National Geographic Channel CEO Howard T. Owens, who told the Times: “We wouldn’t air this if it were propaganda.” He explains the choice of the film’s release date as merely the best chance to exploit its commercial potential.
    Another controversial film about the bin Laden raid, Kathryn Bigelow’s Zero Dark Thirty, which was produced in coordination with the Obama administration and using classified information from intelligence agencies, had its release date postponed until after the election.
    Romney has pushed back throughout the presidential campaign against made-up charges by the Obama campaign that he would not have ordered the raid–a claim that has been debunked and widely criticized, not only for the substance of the charge, but for the political foolishness of the Obama campaign in making it.
    Now that task has been outsourced to Weinstein, a devoted donor to Obama and other Democrats, who spent $2.5 million to acquire the rights to the film and shaped it to suit his political purposes and preferences.

  225. A decision on whether to unseal testimony by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in the 1987 divorce proceedings of one of his closest friends has been postponed a day to allow the former Bay State governor and his attorneys to review the records. Celebrity feminist attorney Gloria Allred arrived this morning at a Norfolk court to back the unsealing of what she called two volumes of records in the case. “We believe the public has a right to know what Mitt Romney’s testimony was.


    Hello Gloria, we have a right to know what is in Obamas records too, don’t see you going to court to release those.

  226. Yup, as i said earlier, Hillary is not giving us indication she is not backing Obama 100% here, its rather leaving a very bad taste in my mouth. I want to believe her but she is not helping herself.

  227. Oh stop the drama JBS…that aint gonna hurt Romney for anything….take a valium and go lie down for half an hour.

  228. Posted on Crayfisher:

    Lola-at-Large, on October 24, 2012 at 9:39 am said:

    Nothingburger #3 on the way?

    James O’Keefe @JamesOKeefeIII

    Things are going to get very interesting in about 15 minutes.
    24 Oct 12

  229. How could anyone question the wisdom of black Jesus?

    Worse yet, they are not all white racists living in small towns clinging to obsolete notions of duty, honor and county.

    Blame FOX News. They are the ones who are pressing this story. They are not a news organization, and worse they are heathens.

    There is no legitmate story here.

    More people are killed in highway accidents in a year than were killed at Bengazi.

    Surely the voters are smart enough to know that when you are transforming the world there will be bumps in the road, and inevitably shit happens.

    Messiahs are by definition omniscient, therefore he knew, he knew this was likely to happen.

    The British French and Red Cross pulled out their people. But they do not have the special relationship to Arab spring that our messiah does.

    The pleas for help before the attack were just noise. Messiah receive similar pleas every day. We must not over-react.

    We had a team ready to go in that could have rescued the Americans. Could would should our Messiah cannot be troubled with such details–big picture guy.

    He watched the attack. Well, there was no basketball game on at the time. Besides, he thought it was a preview of his movie The Killing of Bin Laden.

    Detached? Dereliction of Duty? Wilful Blindness? Hardly. He was acting/not acting in the best interests of mankind.

    Let the terroists keep their guns. But disarm the American People. They are the real threat.

    Blame Bengazi on the video, as part of the overall effort to dismatle the constitution and disenfanchise the American People.

    The Messiah hath spoken. Let him who hath ears to hear listen. What seems to be a defeat was really a victory. It is heresy to claim otherwise.


    That was a grave error.

    Presumably, the decision to emphasize the idea of a spontaneous attack was intended to shield Obama from the question of how, given the warnings and given that it was the anniversary of 9/11, his team had allowed the attack to succeed.

    This comes on the heels of the revelation that top officials, and perhaps even the president himself, were able to watch the hours-long battle in real time as U.S. drone aircraft circled the besieged compound filming the slow-motion massacre.

    Or how could American officials watch the massacre in real time but not send any aid to the doomed garrison? Or how had the situation in Libya, the centerpiece in Obama’s Middle East policy, so devolved that such a brazen attack was even possible?

    Rather than face those questions, Obama sought to shift blame to the filmmakers and absolve his team of liability. But as evidence mounted that al Qaeda was involved and the president’s team knew it, the administration shifted back to a premeditated attack by Islamist militants.

    When it was finally revealed that there had been no riots at all before the attack, the video gambit was completely unraveled. The storyline that Obama had adopted – that well-armed militants spontaneously took advantage of the chaos spurred by the video – was kaput.

    Obama took a risk in trying to mitigate his own administration’s culpability – rejected requests for additional security, mounting warnings of al Qaeda activity, probing attacks months before on the compound and not being adequately on guard on the 9/11 anniversary.

    And while Obama liked to highlight how he and his team watched live as Usama bin Laden was snuffed in Pakistan nearly two years ago, he could not have liked the idea that people might know there was a live stream of the attack in Benghazi.

    In hindsight, the correct answer would have been for Obama to clear his campaign schedule the day after the attack and huddle with his security team rather than campaigning. He also should have stayed with his first public response of talking about bringing terrorists to justice. Republicans would have howled about the security failures and missed warnings, but that would have been mostly drowned out by coverage of the president’s get-tough response.

    But the president flinched and opted instead to try to sidestep the expected partisan response and minimize the role of terrorism in the attacks.

    That was back when Obama looked to be on a glide path to a second term and was probably unwilling to highlight any international incident that could lessen his luster on terrorism. So on Sept. 12, it was terrorism, but for the two weeks that followed it was “under investigation.”

    Had he stuck with terrorism and played up a tough, focused executive response, he might have seen the nation rally around him. But instead, the president opened up a line of questioning that will haunt him right up to Election Day and, if he loses, for years thereafter

    Read more:

  230. AM Comments
    The Stemberg Settlement Saga Celebrates Its Silver Anniversary, By The Usual Custom of Dragging Mitt Romney Into It

    This is an update to the last post. TMZ is reporting Gloria Allred’s supposed October Surprise is just a relitigation of the Stemberg divorce settlement from 1986 (yes, the year the Mets won the World Series, that long ago) at which Romney testified.

    Read this. It’s from a Boston Herald opinion piece (well, it sure looks like opinion) that’s no longer available. You can find it by searching on the Boston Herald site for “Maureen Sullivan Stemberg.” It’s the fourth article down.

    From 2006:

    Maureen Sullivan Stemberg, ex-wife of Staples founder, sits in her $5,200 a month, 14th-floor, concierge-at-the-door, elegantly furnished Back Bay apartment and tells you she’s broke. She can’t work. She can’t afford a car, her medications, her rent, even the family springer spaniel, J.J., who she just gave away.
    She produces doctors notes detailing medical woes: possible lupus, bouts of pneumonia requiring hospitalizations, a history of cancer, petit mal seizures, plus recommendations for thrice weekly psychotherapy and psychiatry. She says her insurance won’t cover mental health care.

    “I’m going to be out on the street,” says Sullivan Stemberg, a tiny, 50-ish woman who alternates between an overanxious recitation of worries, and tears. “I’ve had a change of circumstances.”

    And now she wants her ex-husband, Tom Stemberg, whose worth has been estimated at upwards of $150 million, to dramatically increase his support, guarantee health insurance forever and buy her another home in a concierge building. “I’m sicker and thinner every day,” she says. “I’m not asking for anything more than he did for his other wife and girlfriend.”
    Now, even in 2006 Romney was planning a presidential bid, so the Herald notes the “political” angle:

    Tom Stemberg, meanwhile, hailed as an entrepreneurial genius, has just gone through a second divorce and is now living with the mother of his newest child. His paternal shortcomings are evident in a letter he wrote to his then-12-year-old son with Sullivan Stemberg. “It will not be possible for you to be part of our family in the foreseeable future” because of the child’s supposed misbehavior during their divorce, he wrote, blaming the child for taking sides between parents and creating unbearable hassles, such as monthly court appearances.
    Enter a political angle: That same child, the same year – 1996 – approached Mitt Romney, an early Staples money man, during a chance vacation meeting. The Wall Street Journal and Sullivan Stemberg herself say her son asked Romney for an appointment to speak about his mother’s problems, financial and otherwise.

    Apparently this did not cause Mitt Romney alarm. In April, our would-be president began an op-ed article, also for the Journal, this way: “Only weeks after I was elected governor, Tom Stemberg told me that if you really want to help people, find a way to get everyone health insurance,” Romney wrote. When Romney expressed doubts, he said, Stemberg insisted, “You can find a way.”

    Long story short, although Maureen Sullivan Stemberg had a pretty big settlement, in normal human terms, it wasn’t a mega-settlement, and her ex-husband wound up mega-rich. And she seems to have spent a lot of it on contesting the settlement itself. And then she was hit with medical problems.

    So, she wants more money.

    So the 2006 version of this story was put out, it seems, to pressure Romney to pressure Stemberg to open his wallet and voluntarily agree to increase Sullivan Stemberg’s support.

    I mean, that is the whole point of the Herald article. It concluded:

    The story is what a rich, local superstar has done, or not done, for the mother of his son who can’t support herself anymore. It’s hard for mere mortals to relate to this, I know. Still, despite the awfulness on both sides, he should give her the money.
    Until then, here’s hoping Romney and other local luminaries skip the Stemberg accolades. The personal is political here, and the personal reeks.

    She’d been arguing for years — apparently “shopping her story” around — that her husband should increase his upkeep payments to her.

    But this divorce is now 25 years old.

    I see the 2006 story as essentially arguing the former Mrs. Stemberg should be paid more, because, Romney.

    Should a president be friends with such a heartless skinflint?, the argument seems to go.

    And, Should a president be friends with someone who turns away his own son?

    That last one is bad… for Stemberg. I don’t really see the Romney angle, except in extremely contrived fashion.

    I do not see any reason to think the six-years-later version of the story is much different.

    I note there were no prior allegations of “juicy stuff” about Romney. Seems to me the Former Mrs. Stemberg’s just relitigates the terms of her divorce every few years.

    I’m not taking any position on the case of Stemberg v. Stemberg. I’m just asking what the hell on earth this has to do with Mitt Romney, except that he is — as he was in 2006 — a convenient catspaw.

    It Also Seems To Me… That this is not a political story. It seems to me that the Romney Card has been played simply in hopes of pressuring Romney into pressuring Stemberg.

    That’s how it was played in 2006.

    Again, I have no idea if the Former Mrs. Stemberg “deserves” more money or whatever.

    I know the law seems pretty clear that she’s not legally entitled to more. The settlement has been litigated (apparently more than once) and has been on the books for 25 years.

    Hence, a series of non-legal arguments about it.

    And I think the devious Ms. Allred is playing the media (and Drudge) for fools in what is simply a straight money play.

    Stoke up interest by suggesting this is a ROMNEY SCANDAL and hope that that serves to open the vault.

    And I Repeat… This is 25 year old divorce.

    Are there really “juicy allegations” about a third party in the divorce papers?

    Still juicy 25 years later?

    Juicy allegations that apparently haven’t been previously known?

    Juicy allegations usually get passed around a spell. That’s what makes them juicy.

    This is Gloria Allred’s Second Finest Moment. Here’s her finest.

    Theory 2: A reader suggests maybe Allred will claim that Romney testified falsely about the value of Stemberg’s worth, or the shares he was offering her in the settlement.

    First, you have to understand that a big part of the settlement was Staples shares. Maureen Sullivan Stemberg apparently sold half of these before the company went public… which was a big mistake, because the share value soared. Per TMZ:

    According to an article in the Boston Globe in 2005, Maureen received nearly 500,000 shares of Staples stock in the divorce … but sold half her shares before the company went public.
    So her argument might be that Romney was testifying about the value or potential value of the stocks and gave a low valuation which caused her to sell and thus deprived her of millions…. and so pay me.

    But if Romney was trying to help his friend, he would have offered a high valuation of the stock, because then Stemberg can give her less. He wouldn’t claim the stocks are worth less than he knows they are — that would just mean Stemberg has to give her more stock to make the same payoff.

    This just seems to be a very bad (as it turns out) decision by the Former Mrs. Stemberg.

    And, besides, Romney wasn’t acting as her financial adviser, even if he did guestimate the value of the stocks. He would have been providing a valuation for the trier of fact (the jury or judge), not for Mrs. Stemberg to take as some kind of financial advice for her to act upon.

    If that’s the avenue of the complaint: It’s not juicy and it doesn’t even make any sense. “Lowballing” the value of the stocks just means that Stemberg has to give her more of it, which I’m pretty sure is not the outcome he sought.

    Someone Posting as “Maureen Stemberg” on HuffPo… …who claims to have once been married to Romney’s “Partner in Crime, Mr. Staples,” says she likes Obama a whole heck of a lot and Mormons not a bit.

    Gloria’s History of Late Election-Season Shakedowns. “Blackmail,” Greta alleged.

    Well, it sure does look like a shakedown. These cases are brought at a particularly sensitive time because they have such little merit that only the pressurized atmosphere of a political campaign can invest these nuisance shakedowns with Cash Money Settlement Value.

  231. jbstonesfan
    October 24th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    Trump stop this shit!!!!!!!!!! It is hurting omeny.
    Agreed. The last thing we need.

  232. Up to now, Romney has done a good job of threading the needle. I just think Trump is a distraction, and someone whom the Obamites can use against Romney. I have about had it with this guy myself and maybe that is part of the reason I want him to shut the fuck up. He has made exaggerated claims in the past, but can never deliver. As a result, I see him as a charlatan. I know he wants to help Romney, but UNLESS he has something real at this point, I would prefer to see him stfu.

  233. stones… wbboei: really don’t see how this even remotely touches Romney – everybody knows it’s just the Donald self-trumpeting again.

    libs wearing faces that look like shell-shock here on lib heaven Martha’s Vineyard — saying to me: “can’t believe this is happening” and “what to do?, what can I do? how can I vote?” and “what went wrong?” etc

    also want to mention that voters here have a different view of Warren and a different take on what’s being said about her — that’s why her numbers are up over Brown. They say she never practiced law in MA — only advised according to her academic knowledge of MA law. As for the Cherokee thing,hey,I can’t find public proof of my roots, either — but I believe my personal family records are accurate. In doing research on my roots I found huge errors in census and ship manifests and lost records etc.

    I’m not defending Warren because I really don’t know the facts — just telling you not to be surprised if she wins and suggesting that the accusations might not be what they seem.

  234. New White House Insider up by The Ulsterman.

    Soros is mentioned…It’s an excellent reading:

    WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: The Only Way Obama Wins This Election Is To Steal It

    by Ulsterman on October 24, 2012 with 2 Comments in News

    As Benghazi news reports now pummel down upon the head of President Barack Obama, a longtime D.C. political operative who has spent the past three years attempting to correct the mistake that was the 2008 election, declares in this brief communication that the only way Obama can now be allowed a second term is if he steals the 2012 election.

  235. lil ole grape
    October 24th, 2012 at 1:17 pm


    She presented herself as a native American to get special treatment, starting with her tenure at Harvard. That alone tells you the measure of a person.

  236. Allred/Trump. fools. not civil to use personal power/money to bring up hot button stuff this close to election. Shame on both.
    OTOH ( “which also has 4 fingers and a thumb” Did anyone else here have Bill Condon for a teacher?)I cannot pass up a Boo Obama event no matter when nor where, and this is military-related. No greater right than they to boo. Especially since he was not there. Guess Clemson pres had to CYA though.

    President Obama booed during Clemson game | Oconee/Pickens News – WYFF Home
    October 24, 2012 CLEMSON, S.C. —
    The president of Clemson University is chastising those who booed President Barack Obama during the college’s Military Appreciation Day at last weekend’s game.
    During the university’s annual event that was held this year during the Clemson vs. Virginia Tech game on Saturday, a ceremony was held to induct ROTC cadets into the military.
    The ceremony was disrupted by booing from some fans in the stands.
    In an email with the subject line, “Dear Clemson Family: Focus on Positive Dialogue and a Civil Discourse,” Clemson University president James Barker addressed the behavior at the football game.
    He wrote: “Saturday’s football game marked Clemson’s annual observance of Military Appreciation Day, a time when we pay tribute to veterans, men and women currently serving and those who gave their lives to protect us. Clemson has a strong military heritage, and this day is always a special occasion.
    “Unfortunately, the day was marred by bad behavior from some fans. During the ceremony inducting ROTC cadets into the military, a number of fans booed during the section of the oath they take to obey the President of the United States.
    “I understand that we are in the home stretch of a heated presidential election

  237. From UM and RidUs’s link above…

    WHI: [snip] Just keep watching for the Benghazi roll out over the next 48. Should damage Obama big time. All of it together. Momentum. Momentum. Momentum. We got it. (Romney) They don’t.

    Don’t forget about the riots after the election. They got that in the bin. A little legacy salvage campaign. Got it confirmed a few more times since I told you about it before. Watch Obama call for calm. Unite the country. All that bullsh-t. Hopefully someone will catch sense enough to call it off because people will get hurt. People will die. But with this administration, they don’t give a f-ck about any of that.

  238. gonzotx
    October 24th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    She presented herself as a native American to get special treatment,
    As I said, I really don’t know the facts about Warren – I have not seen those records which show what Harvard decided was “special treatment” or how they determined who qualified for it. Somebody had to have approved her according to whatever criteria was involved.
    You know, according to historical records, (Martha’s Vineyard Historical Society) the last full-blooded Wampanoag Indian on Martha’s Vineyard died shortly after the Civil War, but the very mixed blood descendents here still claim benefits from government — it all depends who’s determining who is qualified, no? What percentage of blood and all that?
    Jackie Onassis used to get very upset about this issue, saying that there really are no full-blooded native-Americans on MV. It’s a devilishly complex problem in allocating funds, benefits, etc.
    I was reminded just now by someone at my elbow that Warren has also been experiencing the usual misogyny.
    Personally, I’m still not decided. It’s getting closer to voting day and I’m still trying to do hard research on both Warren and Brown, unwilling as I am to accept any pundit’s pitch for or against either one of them. In the end my choice will be based on what I can learn about what they have done in terms of public service.

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