Hofstra Halloween Horror Debate Night; Hillary Drops A Bomb; Shock: Republicans/Conservatives Defend Hillary Clinton???

Update: Maybe Obama thinks Harry Truman said “The Buick Stops here”? No?

Thanks to Powerline for featuring us as a “pick” once again. Powerline “picks” us today and Buzzfeed picks on us today. Sigh…

Powerline also makes the same call we do below for Romney (Candy?) to slap Obama with a certain question tonight:

“But then came a substantive question, to which Obama had no answer:

POLITICO: Is Hillary to blame for Benghazi?

OBAMA: (Silence. Kept walking.)

It is quite remarkable to watch: [video at link]

It’s a tough question. What is the right answer? Yes? No? I suspect that one more item was added to Obama’s debate preparation.”

As we cross our fingers let’s reiterate a point we made below: If Romney “defends” Hillary and tell Obama to “man up” (Romney campaign is already using “man up”) he might do himself a world of good with women voters. We call it the “reverse Rick Lazio.

A few more hours to go for the 97 lb. weakling to face off against Mitt Romney. We’ll be commenting and having all sorts of fun during the debate.

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Tonight is presidential debate night. Barack Obama is worried. Make that terrified. Just look at the numbers: Romney hits 50%, leads by 4 in PPP/Daily Kos national poll. A DailyKooks poll!

At the first debate Barack Obama proved yet again he is neither qualified nor ready to be president. Now Obama needs a blowout undisputed debate victory to stop the oceanic flow of voters away from him to Mitt Romney. It’s likely Mitt Romney will not be so generous as to give drowning Obama the air hose he needs.

Other than yet more flowery words and a grin Obama does not have much going for him tonight. American voters hate Obamacare and his scam of close to a trillion dollars on a failed “stimulus”. In addition to the domestic house of horrors Obama now has to deal with what we term the “Libya Fibya”.

At the debate for the vice president nominees Joe Biden pled the Sergeant Schultz defense, “I know nothing.” That ploy has not been successful and the Obama stonewall of denials remains under siege.

Now, fearful of what Mitt Romney will do to him at tonight’s debate, Barack Obama has ordered more national security leaks. The latest national security leak from the White House is that Barack Obama will soon order an attack on someone[s] in Libya. The killers of Ambassador Stevens could not be happier now that Barack Obama, for personal political gain, has effectively warned them to disperse and hide until he is more flexible after the election.

The national security leaks from the White House are an attempt to block the onslaught from Mitt Romney tonight on the Libya Fibya. Obama will try to deflect by either announcing an attack or acting like a man and making threats that he will kill again just like he killed Bin Laden. But that’s not going to work now. Hillary Clinton has opened up new lines of attack for Mitt Romney.

Last night Hillary Clinton’s “responsibility gene” kicked in. As the official in charge of the State Department the Secretary of State said the obvious – she is responsible for what happens at the State Department.

Barack Obama is passing the buck. Joe Biden does not even know what the buck looks like. And considering the many questions about whether the American facilities in Benghazi were a C.I.A. cover operation not just the run of the mill “spies at the embassy” has anyone seen General Petraeus – the man in charge of the C.I.A.? No, only Hillary Clinton is on the job.

And what a job! Hillary Clinton has now, whether intentionally or not, foolishly or not, made sure that the Benghazi disasters will be a topic at tonight’s Hofstra Halloween Horror Debate. Big Media has tried to block investigation and stories about Benghazi in order to protect Barack Obama. Now, Hillary Clinton has broken this story wide open and given on a silver platter a smorgasbord of opportunities to Mitt Romney.

The opportunity for Romney is not just in driving this story into the headlines of even the Benghazi adverse New York Times. Mitt Romney can now ask Barack Obama “Where does the Buck stop, Obama? Where? With the people you appoint or with you?

The variations on that question are many. Romney should ask Obama, face to face, the question that was asked of David Axelrod on Sunday. Axelrod on Fox News would not answer the questions that Mitt Romney can ask Barack “where were you and what did you do?:

“After David Axelrod’s repeated assurances this morning on Fox News Sunday that “there isn’t anybody on this planet” who feels a greater sense of responsibility for our diplomats than this President, Chris Wallace asked how soon after the Benghazi attacks the President actually met with his national security team.

Wallace followed up on Axelrod’s non-answer by asking whether the President managed to squeeze in a meeting with the National Security Council before jetting off to Las Vegas for a campaign rally. Given Axelrod’s inability to produce a straightforward answer to the questions, it’s pretty clear the answer is “no.”

At the debate Mitt Romney can be quite the gallant, protective of frail and sweet Hillary Clinton, while at the same time appealing to women voters. Think of it as reverse Rick Lazio.

Expose Barack Obama as the “blame the staff, throw Hillary Clinton under the bus” weakling that he is. Oh right. This also makes Barack Obama be seen as the fey twit that he is. The opportunities for Mitt Romney multiply the more thought is applied.

Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post has given some thought to questions that need to be asked and answered before the election:

“Where is CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus? He seems to be the missing man in the unfolding Benghazi debacle. It is his agency, among others, which is being fingered by the White House for getting the Libya attack wrong. However, we know that within a very short time after the murder of our ambassador (an extraordinary occurrence) and others, our intelligence community did have the story straight: This was an organized al-Qaeda attack. [snip]

The questions are multiplying:”

Among the questions asked by Rubin are if and when did Hillary find out about security requests for Benghazi, the usual Susan Rice questions, plus who briefed Rice before she lied on national television? When was it determined that Benghazi was a terrorist attack and what was done thereafter? Why all the lies about that video? Was there any sort of review of Obama’s U.N. speech – lies spewed internationally on September 25 blaming a video? Did Hillary hater Tom Donilon inform Obama about the attack and just what did Donilon say? Did Petraeus tell anyone to stop lying/blaming the video and call it a terrorist attack?

Mitt Romney can take note of all these questions which boil down to the simple “What did Barack Obama know and when did he know it – and what did he do about it?”

Our repeated calls for an investigation with results to be disclosed before Election Day 2012, with testimony from Hillary Clinton and everyone else involved or pretending they are not involved, are needed now more than ever.

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After Hillary Clinton’s interviews last night we were shocked. We were not shocked at all about what Hillary Clinton said. What shocked us is what Republicans/conservatives said and wrote.

Perhaps we should not have been shocked. Republicans/conservatives were doing exactly what we have recommended to them for a long time. Repeatedly our suggestions and “memes” have made their way into the bloodstream of political discourse and political campaigns. Our call for “We can’t afford Barack Obama” ads from the Romney campaign have been met with “We can’t afford Barack Obama” ads from the Romney campaign. Not bad for a Big Pink website derided today as “deadenders” by Buzzfeed.

For the longest time we have advised Republicans/conservatives to think of Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton as opportunities to attack Barack Obama.

For the longest time we have advised Republicans/conservatives to put “I” over “E”, not the losing “E” over “I”. Last night that is exactly what they did.

Instead of emotionally responding with ancient hatred against the Clintons, Republicans/conservatives got very smart. Many expected Republicans/conservatives to go full out stupid and demand Hillary Clinton’s resignation. Instead intelligence prevailed over emotion. Republicans/conservatives came as close as they genetically could to the defense of Hillary Clinton!

Perhaps Republicans/conservatives realized that a call for resignation or fight with one of the most popular politicians officials, generally respected as a hard worker, would be another losing battle in a long history of losing battles against Hillary and Bill Clinton. Perhaps fear that American voters would perceived Hillary Clinton was a “victim” and rally to her was/is the motivating factor. Perhaps, but we don’t think so.

We think that what led to the Republican/conservative response was not fear, but rather intelligence. In short Republicans/conservatives decided to stay focused on the prize.

The “prize” is the election a few short weeks away and the defeat of Barack Obama. A fight with Hillary Clinton would be a distraction and a missed opportunity to win the election.

Consider Senator Lindsay Graham. Early yesterday Graham sent Obama a letter asking Obama whether he knew of the previous attacks on the Benghazi compound and if so what Obama did about it?

Years ago Representative Lindsay Graham was an impeachment manager against Bill Clinton. Did now Senator Graham attack Hillary Clinton and demand her immediate resignation? No. Senator Graham’s response to the Lima statement by Hillary remained focused on Barack Obama:

“Her remarks drew a quick response from three Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee, including ranking member John McCain.

Clinton’s statement of responsibility was “a laudable gesture, especially when the White House is trying to avoid any responsibility whatsoever,” the Arizona senator said in a joint broadside with Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, “The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there.

Senator Graham and Hillary Clinton know where the buck stops:

“Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama: You don’t get what it takes to be an effective President.

“Government by adviser simply doesn’t work,” charged Clinton, seizing for the second straight day on Obama’s pledge to be a President who inspires and provides a vision for the nation – not one who will make sure “everything’s running on time” in the federal bureaucracy.

Being President means being both CEO and COO of one of the largest and most complex organizations in the world,” she insisted. [snip]

“I know that we can get on top of this, but it’s going to require strong presidential leadership – it’s going to require a President who knows from day one you have to run a government and manage the economy,” she said. “The buck stops in the Oval Office.”

Hillary in 2008: “That buck stopped in the Oval Office”:

“Allahpundit last night wondered whether Barack Obama would magnanimously assure people in tonight’s debate that the buck stops at his desk. Frankly, it’s too late for that now. Hillary may or may not have intended to take some heat off of the White House after Joe Biden’s Sergeant Schultz “We knew nothing” declaration at Thursday’s debate, but all she ended up doing is making Obama look tremendously weak by contrast. [snip]

It’s a jaw-dropping display of a leadership vacuum, which Hillary ended up having to fill herself. This is exactly what Hillary warned voters about in 2008. The contrast between her moment of leadership in this crisis and Obama’s lack of leadership since the very beginning of it will not help Obama make the case for another four years of buck-passing at the top, not even when Obama showed leadership on the Nicki Minaj-Mariah Carey feud.”

Lindsay Graham and Ed Morrisey are not alone in putting I over E. Stay focused on Barack Obama and don’t victimize Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama must go and any distraction helps him. Instead, turn the tables. Mitt Romney can do that tonight.

AllahPundit at Republican/conservative HotAir quotes Hillary: I take responsibility for Benghazi

Here’s the real question: Did Obama put Hillary up to this or did she do it on her own initiative to put O on the spot? As I’ve explained, I think this actually helps him by letting him accept symbolic responsibility while continuing to shunt actual responsibility onto State. But maybe I’m wrong. A friend e-mailed me after I wrote this post on Friday scolding me for thinking that Obama might throw Hillary under the bus rather than vice versa. After all, she’d have an easier time running in 2016 against President Romney than she would trying to succeed a two-term Democratic president. (Although, in that case, why did Bill Clinton give a wildly successful speech for O at the convention?) And as I said Friday, there is political peril for O in having Hillary go first on this. Potentially, he’ll look weak and diffident tomorrow night by following her lead, not loyal and magnanimous — and maybe Hillary knew that when she stepped up. Expect Romney to hammer that point, especially given how much he enjoys playing the Clintons off of Obama. What kind of “leader” says “the buck stops here” only after it’s already stopped somewhere else?

Hillary waited to be out of the country to drop this bomb. Now Obama has to answer questions from a position of weakness. And Mitt Romney? – “he enjoys playing the Clintons off of Obama.” Yup.

At Powerline, more I/E:

Does this take President Obama off the hook? No. First, he appointed Clinton as his Secretary of State, in what was probably his most important personnel decision as president.

Second, Clinton did not, and cannot, take the fall for the false statements by the Obama administration about what happened in Benghazi. The State Department, which was following events there in real time, knew that this was a terrorist attack, not a protest. Yet, days after the attack, the administration mischaracterized it as a protest that spun out of control against a movie. That’s on Obama, not Clinton.

Wittingly or unwittingly, Hillary Clinton is once again the Republican secret weapon against Barack Obama. After his first brilliant debate performance we are sure that Mitt Romney will deploy the secret weapon.

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167 thoughts on “Hofstra Halloween Horror Debate Night; Hillary Drops A Bomb; Shock: Republicans/Conservatives Defend Hillary Clinton???

  1. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/16/ross-perot-endorses-mitt-romney/

    Ross Perot, the businessman who mounted the last major challenge to the two-party political system, said Tuesday he is backing Mitt Romney for president this year.

    Mr. Perot’s 1992 campaign elevated the budget deficit to the forefront of politics, and six years later the federal government notched its first surplus in decades.

    At stake is nothing less than our position in the world, our standard of living at home and our constitutional freedoms,” Mr. Perot said in a statement released by the Romney campaign. “That is why I am endorsing Mitt Romney in his quest for the presidency. We can’t afford four more years in which national debt mushrooms out of control, our government grows, and our military is weakened. Mitt has the background, experience, intelligence and integrity to turn things around. He has my absolute support.”

    Like Mr. Romney this year, Mr. Perot made the argument in 1992 that the country needed a businessman to take control and execute a turnaround.

    Mr. Perot also wrote an op-ed for the Des Moines Register laying out his thinking. He called the economy “stagnant” and pointed to the same deficit trajectory that pushed him to enter the race in 1992.

    It is this massive deficit spending that threatens to undermine our future standard of living. To pay for our government’s massive debts, Washington’s profligacy, our children and grandchildren will be paying interest and principal on the nation’s debt for untold years into the future. That is wrong. It’s not the way America ought to be,” he wrote.

  2. Admin. Last night I was in a state of dispair over this, and my comments reflected as much. But after sleeping on it, I began to realize that this was in fact a sound strategy by Hillary, as you have pointed out. You are, as I have said, the master. Simply put, Hillary has accepted responsiblity for the security lapses in Bengazi, while at the same time separating herself from the ensuing cover-up. The political effect of this strategy is as follows:

    I thought about this overnight and here is the explanation for Hillary’s actions that I have come up with. On the one hand, she has acceptance of responsibility for the lapse of security. On the other hand, she has separated herself from the false narrative that the video did it, and pointed the finger at the White House. Here are my thoughts and conclusions about all this:
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    1. By taking responsibilty, Hillary has:

    a. demonstrated leadership on the issue, which has been conspicuously absent from Obama.

    b. pre empted the move by Obama–telegraphed by Biden, to blame her for this disaster.

    c. made it impossible for Obama to blame her for his iminent loss of the election.

    d. preserved her standing as a patriotic leader who takes responsibiity for her actions, even when they go wrong–whereas Obama does not.

    e. put Obama in a double bind: to throw her under the bus, or keep her. (Notice she did not resign.)

    f. shifted the spotlight on Obama to explain why he did not know, what was going on in this volatile region, which was the focal point of his foreign policy.

    g. shielded what was obviously a CIA operation, and thereby protected the interests of the United States.

    2. By stating that the attack was caused by terrorism, rather than the video, and saying that the latter explanation came from the White House, Hillary has:

    a. separated herself from the Obama inspired cover-up

    b. adhered to the lesson of Watergate, i.e. it isn’t the crime, it is the cover-up that takes you down.

    c. focused public attention and scrutiny on a pattern and practice by this administration of misleading the American People

    d. insulated herself from attacks by the Obama media, i.e. New York Times, who have been in on this through Tom Donolin from the beginning.

    e. teed up this issue for tonight’s debate.

    (N.B.) Hardly the actions of a doormat. It is not the sexism of the blogger that is most offensive. It is the sheer stupidity.

    (N.B.) There was a time when the law firm Sullivan and Cromwell ran the foreign policy of the United States. Today, in Democrat Adminsrations that power is excrcised by NYT, and to a lesser extent WashPo. This explains their lack of coverage, even more so than their undying love for Messiah Obama.

  3. It begins:

    http://politicker.com/2012/10/obama-feels-fabulous-about-tonights-debate/

    Campaigning in Williamsburg, Virginia this morning, President Barack Obama spoke to reporters about his feeling’s ahead of tonight’s presidential debate, but he was much less chatty when asked his thoughts on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accepting responsibility for evolving explanations of the terrorist attack against the U.S. embassy in Libya last month.

    At a photo-op, reporters standing 50 feet away hurled questions at Mr. Obama. One asked how he felt about tonight’s sparring session with his Republican rival, Mitt Romney.

    I feel fabulous,” Mr. Obama answered with a smile, according to a pool report. “Look at this beautiful day.” [snip]

    However, Mr. Obama was apparently less eager to discuss Ms. Clinton’s attempt to take responsibility for the Obama administration’s controversial response to the attack on the diplomatic post in Libya.

    Is Hillary to blame for Benghazi?” came the final inquiry yelled at Mr. Obama.

    Mr. Obama did not respond and walked way.

  4. JBStonesFan, as our article today notes, for “deadenders” we sure are alive and kicking and exerting influence over what is happening in the political world. 🙂

  5. Quite a remarkable act by Hillary. My first thought was “oh no!” My second thought was, “oh, this makes it pretty clear who has NOT taken responsibility.”

  6. (Clarification)

    Admin. Last night I was in a state of dispair over this, and my comments reflected as much. But after sleeping on it, I began to realize that this was in fact a sound strategy by Hillary, as you have pointed out. You are, as I have said, the master. Simply put, Hillary has accepted responsiblity for the security lapses in Bengazi, while at the same time separating herself from the ensuing cover-up. The political effect of this strategy is as follows:

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    1. BY TAKING RESPONSIBILTY FOR THE LAPSE OF SECURITY, HILLARY HAS:

    a. demonstrated leadership on the issue, which has been conspicuously absent from Obama.

    b. pre empted the move by Obama–telegraphed by Biden, to blame her for this disaster.

    c. made it impossible for Obama to blame her for his iminent loss of the election.

    d. preserved her standing as a patriotic leader who takes responsibiity for her actions, even when they go wrong–whereas Obama does not.

    e. put Obama in a double bind: to throw her under the bus, or keep her. (Notice she did not resign.)

    f. shifted the spotlight on Obama to explain why he did not know, what was going on in this volatile region, which was the focal point of his foreign policy.

    g. shielded what was obviously a CIA operation, and thereby protected the interests of the United States.

    2. BY STATING THAT THE ATTACK WAS CAUSED BY TERRORISM, AND THE WHITE HOUSE WAS THE SOURCE OF THE VIDEO LIE, HILLARY HAS:

    a. separated herself from the Obama inspired cover-up

    b. adhered to the lesson of Watergate, i.e. it isn’t the crime, it is the cover-up that takes you down.

    c. focused public attention and scrutiny on a pattern and practice by this administration of misleading the American People

    d. insulated herself from attacks by the Obama media, i.e. New York Times, who have been in on this through Tom Donolin from the beginning.

    e. teed up this issue for tonight’s debate.

    (N.B.) Hardly the actions of a doormat. It is not the sexism of the blogger that is most offensive. It is the sheer stupidity.

    (N.B.) There was a time when the law firm Sullivan and Cromwell ran the foreign policy of the United States. Today, in Democrat Adminsrations that power is excrcised by NYT, and to a lesser extent WashPo. This explains their lack of coverage, even more so than their undying love for Messiah Obama.

  7. admin
    October 16th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Some of our long time readers will remember Ben Smith from Politico and his attacks on this website. Ben Smith is now at Buzzfeed.
    &&&&&&&&

    Dead-enders???

    The dead end here is that centrist Dems, us here included, do not want to see Obummer gifted a second term where he could lead the country further down the path to ruin.

    Smith makes us sounds like sad little brats. I think he is the sad little brat, crying that his golden pony is now “broken”, and that Christmas this year is going to suck.

  8. One would imagine this has come out of left field for Obama and i bet he messes it up royally tonight and ties himself in knots because there is no way in hell Benghazi is not going to come up in a question tonight now.

    No matter which road he chooses he gets tied up and gets deeper drawn into the mess. This could be a “Titanic” moment.

    If he says she is to blame and does not accept responsibility, he goes down in flames.

    If he accepts blame, then the lies of the last 5 weeks comes out in full flow and out in full force.

    No matter what Obama says tonight he really is in a bind and will have a tough time keeping track of his lies.

  9. Former Aide on Obama: ‘Stunning that He’s in Politics, Because He Really Doesn’t Like People’ (tell us something we did’nt know)

    Neera Tanden, a former aide to both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, had this to say about the relationship of the two presidents:

    Clinton, being Clinton, had plenty of advice in mind and was desperate to impart it. But for the first two years of Obama’s term, the phone calls Clinton kept expecting rarely came. “People say the reason Obama wouldn’t call Clinton is because he doesn’t like him,” observes Tanden. “The truth is, Obama doesn’t call anyone, and he’s not close to almost anyone. It’s stunning that he’s in politics, because he really doesn’t like people. My analogy is that it’s like becoming Bill Gates without liking computers.”

    It’s a revealing statement from Tanden, who “served as senior advisor for health reform at the Department of Health and Human Services, advising Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and working on President Barack Obama’s health reform team in the White House to pass the bill,” according to her bio at the Center for American Progress. She is currently president and CEO of the liberal organization. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/former-aide-obama-stunning-he-s-politics-because-he-really-doesn-t-people_654636.html

  10. Admin, excellent insight into Hillary’s possible motives and method of execution. As soon as I saw some of the immediate reactions last night, I thought some stepping back would give context. I never thought of Hillary as a stupid person or willing to set herself on fire for Obama. Similarly with Bill, giving the speech at the DNC, and doing some stumping for Obama.

    Bill supposedly has a legendary memory when it comes to friends and backstabbers. What Bill is “doing for Obama” seems to be him and Hillary holding the non-traitorous Dems together, and letting the Obamacrats go down the sewer with “their savior”.

    &&&
    Quicky question for admin. Our “good friend” Ben Smith claims to know who “admin” is…any comment?

  11. I don’t like the Politicker article. They are twisting her words to mean to take responsibility for all evolving explanations about Benghazi. That is not true. I ws afraid of this.

  12. wbboei
    October 16th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    I thought about this overnight and here is the explanation for Hillary’s actions that I have come up with.
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    Wbb
    I think you have some excellent explanations.

    She knew that she was going to be the scapegoat, the deflection, the one to blame by Barry, so she could either tell Congress and investigators what happened, piece by piece and continue getting Obama/Biden/Jarret mud bombs tossed at her before and after the election,

    or she could stand up on her own, with no one to shield her, face the American people head on and take responsibility for what happened to her people at the State Department, her State Department.

    She isn’t trying to cover her buns for a future election, she is standing up as the intelligent and courageous women she is. To Hell with politics, this is called LEADERSHIP, RESPONSIBILITY, COURAGE, LOYALTY TO HER STAFF, and may the chips fall were they may. There is much more to this story and Hillary knows it, she also knows who else is involved and will the ever have the courage to stand up and take responsibility for their part in this disaster?

    This is one of the many things I admire about Hillary, and you can’t help but respect her for being so courageous.

  13. The thing is, Hillary must know she has only 3 weeks of shelflife of usefulness for Obama because he could and would sack her on Nov 7th morning if he won a 2nd term and pin it all on her and she must know that.

  14. And so it continues (notice the repeated “man up” references? Obama weak, Hillary strong. Romney will as we suggested portray Obama as a weakling):

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/aide-mitt-romney-will-ask-obama-to-man-up-on-libya-20121016

    Aide: Mitt Romney Will Ask Obama to ‘Man Up’ on Libya

    A foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, in a preview of the second presidential debate, said on Tuesday that Romney will ask President Obama to “man up” on his response to the terrorist attack in Libya that left four Americans dead.

    Richard Williamson, the former special envoy to Sudan under President George W. Bush, was asked on Fox News how Romney would bring up the issue of September’s attack on the American mission in Benghazi in the debate.

    “I think Governor Romney, quite properly, will be asking questions, probing, and trying to ask the president to man up, accept his responsibility and explain to the American people the failure that resulted in four American deaths,” Williamson said.

    He later added of Obama: “He can run but he’s not going to be able to hide. He’s going to have to man up and tell the American people what he knew, when he knew it and what he’s doing.”

    On Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she took “responsibility” for the terrorist attack that led to the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

    Williamson said that there needs to be “transparency” from the administration about the attack. “The administration has to come clean,” he said. “It is a presidential-level decision protecting our diplomats overseas. It’s the president’s obligation to make sure that diplomats in difficult situations have adequate security so they can do their job, and clearly they failed here.”

    Williamson also alleged that Obama must have seen information in daily briefings indicating the previous attacks on the compound and other threats in Libya. “The information was there. The White House has certain responsibilities,” he said

  15. admin
    October 16th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    And so it continues (notice the repeated “man up” references? Obama weak, Hillary strong. Romney will as we suggested portray Obama as a weakling):

    Richard Williamson, the former special envoy to Sudan under President George W. Bush, was asked on Fox News how Romney would bring up the issue of September’s attack on the American mission in Benghazi in the debate.

    “I think Governor Romney, quite properly, will be asking questions, probing, and trying to ask the president to man up, accept his responsibility and explain to the American people the failure that resulted in four American deaths,” Williamson said.\
    &&&&&&&&&

    Imagine if John Sununu was asked the question…

  16. ‘dead-enders’

    Tea party people

    Independents

    Centrists

    ——-

    I guess Obama doesn’t need any of our votes, because he will not get them.

    We didn’t shut up, we didn’t come back to the Democratic party even if we still hold their card.

    The party blinders are off since 2007 and most of us life time ‘Democrats’ now watch Fox News and compare the lies pumped out of MSNBC, CNN, BigBird channel and all the other in-the-pocket for Obama coverups, spin and lies that pretend to be ‘news’ stations. This is why their ratings have fallen off drastically.

    Good luck to the Dem party getting us back, not even playing the ‘race’ card, or the free women’s contraception is going to work.

    And the buzzfeed article ending by assuming that Hillary’s army is under 4000 of us……….
    that’s just plain stupidity.

  17. This is all making Obama look like a skirt hider.

    Telling him to man up gets in before Obama can try and do it tonight in the debate. Its a very potent attack if people think he is weak already, it make Mitt look the alpha male.

    I’m pretty sure Mitt has had various options and responses given to him today of how Obama may play this but if Hillary did pull a fast one on Obama, Obama may not have had long to put together a coherent response because Mitt is going to have quotes, facts and figures at his fingertips tonight. Hence Axelrod frothing.

    Even if he does accept responsibility, its too late and too weak and people will be saying, he’s only accepting it because he has been forced to by Clinton, this is like resigning after being caught with your fingers in the cookie jar. Also Mitt will attack on just what responsibility is shown, has anyone resigned, will be seeking Hillary’s resignation, will Obama resign himself for lying to the american people.

    Obama is in a bind. He’s been put between 2 guns and not knowing which trigger to pull.

  18. admin
    October 16th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    “Williamson also alleged that Obama must have seen information in daily briefings indicating the previous attacks on the compound and other threats in Libya.”

    Best guess is it WAS in the PDB’s that Obama DID NOT (does not) read or take time to be briefed upon. The entire charade of demonstrations, etc was to divert from Obama’s negligence in performing his duty to know what the hell is going on as CinC. The Republicans know this, are heavily hinting at it in this article, and will bring it up in hearings in the next few weeks. Who knows Romney may mention it in the debate.

  19. moononpluto
    October 16th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    The thing is, Hillary must know she has only 3 weeks of shelflife of usefulness for Obama because he could and would sack her on Nov 7th morning if he won a 2nd term and pin it all on her and she must know that.

    —-
    Hillary already announced that she would not be SOS if Barry ran and won a second term, and that was more than a year ago…and she made it very public.

  20. I fear the worst, people in politics usually only accept responsibility when there is worse to come to shut it off, maybe there are other shoes to drop from Obama setting her up and Hillary knows she may be finished now, so she sets him up right back…….just a thought but could it be Hillary was anticipating Obama throwing her under the bus in the debate or tomorrow and got in there first…..?

  21. Obama only up by single digits in NJ….a state he should be winning by 15+%
    Party – R 26 D 37 I 33 Other 3

    Vote –
    Obama 51 Romney 43 Other 1 Undecided 5

    Should be D+9, so about D oversample of 1-2…. Actual is Obama +5

    With three weeks to go until Election Day, President Barack Obama leads Gov. Mitt Romney 51 – 43 percent among New Jersey likely voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

    NJ is in single digits?.. Holy mary.

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/nj/nj10162012_demos.doc

  22. WSJ had Clinton’s admission since last Wed and sat on it……did Hillary have to force it out?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/wsj-held-clinton-remark-got-scooped-138569.html?hp=l1_b4

    CNN landed big news yesterday when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she took responsibility for security at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. It turns out she told the same thing to The Wall Street Journal’s Monica Langley last Wednesday, but the paper didn’t run with it until last night.

    Michael Calderone flags:

    Clinton sat for an interview with the Journal last Wednesday and there was no embargo preventing the paper from publishing any part of it, a State Department spokesman told The Huffington Post.

    While the interview may have been conducted as part of an upcoming profile of Clinton, it’s common for news organizations to extract timely material for a news story. Given that Clinton gave this interview on the same day as a congressional hearing on security at the consulate — and as criticism over the administration’s response gets amplified on the campaign trail — it clearly had news value. Indeed, the Journal led Tuesday’s print edition with the comment.

    A Wall Street Journal spokeswoman declined to comment on the paper’s newsgathering.

    …………………………..

    Did Hillary have to force admission out, did Obama minions at WSJ shut it down for Obama?

  23. Why Obama is likely to blow the second debate too

    J.E. Dyer (Hot Air)

    The short answer is: because he’s got nothing. There is no record to run on, no argument to make for four more years. The ideology that drives him is outdated and bankrupt. He has, in fact, implemented his policies – Republicans have had little means of stopping him – and those policies are the problem.

    But there’s a slightly longer answer too. Obama’s advisors will read the mainstream media assessment of the vice-presidential debate – they actu
    ally think a debate that turned women across America off of Biden was a draw, or a Biden win – and conclude that what the president needs to do is find his inner Joe Biden. Appeal to his base by going on the attack, perhaps interrupting, being visibly annoyed at the trend of Romney’s statements, and vigorously asserting untruths in the interest of racking up effective soundbites.

    Petulant attack-doggery isn’t Obama’s style, so I don’t predict that he will simply adopt the Biden posture for this week’s debate. What I do think is that Obama and his handlers will be looking to enhance the president’s trademark pace and balance in public speaking (which does descend rather often into a sonorous drone) with more Biden-like spice. This won’t come naturally to Obama, any more than his occasionally put-on “black accent” sounds natural. It’s not who he is, and he won’t be good at it.

    Of course, the townhall format this week can be worked to Obama’s advantage, and no doubt will be. Obama need not be thrown softballs, but he will get questions framed to suit the answers he is likely to have – and he probably won’t be troubled much with questions framed in a confrontational manner.

    Romney probably will be. He will have to think more quickly on his feet, turning hostile questions into jumping-off points for getting his message across, while conveying a sense of goodwill and avoiding red herrings. If there is a “silly question” for the debaters – say, “If you were an Oscar-winning movie, which one would you be?” – it may well be barbed with false implications about conservatism, Republicans, or even Romney himself.

    Romney will have more choices to make in his approach and substance. There are a lot of things he could say; what will be the most effective? We can reasonably suppose he will perform again as well as he did in Debate 1.

    Obama doesn’t have those choices, because he’s trying to stay in office – to tend cronies and inflict ideological constraints on the people – using arguments that don’t accurately represent what he’s been doing for nearly four years. He has no intention of changing course, regardless of what the current course is inflicting on the American people. Yet he can’t argue in the campaign for his current course – at least not to anyone but his base – because it is so ridden with failure and the scent of corruption. Americans continue to turn against his signature legislation, ObamaCare, and even the New York Times is beginning to doubt the effectiveness of his foreign policy.

    So we can expect to hear more about Romney giving a “$5 trillion tax break” to the richest Americans, along with the other canards about Romney-Ryan policy (e.g., tossing Grandma off the cliff) being trotted out over and over by the Obama campaign. These mendacious soundbites have lost their impact, but what else does Obama have? Personal attacks on Romney?

    If the president makes a decision on retaliating in Libya before Tuesday night, he may be able to speak at the debate from a perspective of putative decisiveness, the commander-in-chief moving forces around. A new line of tactical operations would blunt Romney’s justifiable criticism of how the White House has handled the whole matter. I don’t foresee this dynamic winning the debate for Obama – a belated military response has little hope of trumping the public’s nearer-to-home concern about the US economy, the national debt, and constitutional freedoms – but if it comes off, it will probably be gratifying for his Amen corner in the MSM.

    Gratifying them is not enough, however. Whether he plays to his base or the MSM, Obama will not be playing to the constituency that matters: the majority of likely voters. His appeal to that constituency in 2008 depended on his being an unknown quantity, and that’s what he no longer is. Obama doesn’t have any more tricks in his bag. This is it.

    J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,” Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.

  24. I wonder if Hillary expected her admission to get out before the Veep debate but it was sat on by the WSJ and the Obama admin was informed of what Hillary was doing by Obama minions at the WSJ and that is why Biden chucked her under the bus in the Veep debate……that would explain everything.

  25. Did Hillary have to force admission out, did Obama minions at WSJ shut it down for Obama?
    ——————————————-
    Quite possibly. That raped ape with that wierd look on his face, Jerry Seib, is capable of that. He is an Obot, and even now he is righting articles advising Obama how to win tonights debate.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/capital_journal.html

  26. moononpluto
    October 16th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
    ************

    I think it is too much for R/R to obtain, 9 points is still very wide.

    ***********

    I do remember Hillary coming out an blaming the video wbb.

  27. I anticipate he’ll fight every natural inclination he has and attempt to appear adult-like by accepting full responsibility for the Benghazi attacks while at the same time explain that security for consulates is a discretionary matter committed to the State Dept. He’ll still have to explain why the WH kept pushing the “spontaneous protest” meme.

  28. Gonzo but its the numbers that are interesting, if he’s only up single digits in deep blue states…………its really a big problem for Obama.

  29. Just one more tweet…and trending sentiment on Twitter about Axelrod”s tweet: “Sick. Mitt Romney’s mouthpiece jumps shark.”

    GAYRIGHT ‏@gayright
    It’s unappealing how Obama is making Hillary take the fall for his foreign policy failures. Talk about war on women. @davidaxelrod

  30. Allah Pundit is full of shit. Obama can and probably will say the buck stops with him. But as with everything else he says, it is . . . just words. Words that never traslate into action. The only actions he ever takes are politically motivated, and are adverse to the general welfare. For example, he tells us in his stump speeches that he is committed to saving the middle class, but if you examine his policies, it becomes obvious that he is their worst enemy. As they say in the Marines, actions talk and bullshit walks.

  31. “WSJ had Clinton’s admission since last Wed and sat on it”

    WSJ is right leaning, if the whole story had come out last Wednesday rather than yesterday, it would given OTurd much more time to spin it. Having all this come out last night gives Oturd and his media minions little time to spine for their Messiah.
    I suspect the WSJ was fine sitting on it and letting Hillary be the driving force for this, right on the even of the second debate.

  32. what an idiot. Cannot stand Akin, but I want Claire Mccaskill defeated. And then oust idiot Akin in 6 years. But first MO, please evict this lunatic woman from office. But defeat this lunatic politician Claire in November.

  33. This was posted over on PUMApac by Murphy…

    Hillary Makes The Smartest Political Move of this Cycle
    by Datechguy | October 16th, 2012

    There has been a lot of back and forth about “Will Barack Obama Throw Hillary under the Bus over Benghazi?” or vice-versa this week .

    It was quite a situation, If Obama threw Hillary under the bus would the Clintons work subrosa against him? (I maintain they already have been.) If Hillary threw Obama under the bus would the African-American community make her pay in 2016, it’s one thing for them to be pissed off at Obama, it’s quite another for some white lady to beat up on him.

    What do you do? Well Hillary has threaded the needle in a way that accomplishes everything she needed to thus.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Monday tried to douse a political firestorm around the deadly assault on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya, saying she is responsible for the security of American diplomatic outposts.

    “I take responsibility” for the protection of U.S. diplomats, Clinton said during a visit to Peru. But she said an investigation now under way will ultimately determine what happened in the attack that left four Americans dead.

    The moment I heard this I had one thought: This is the move of a political master. Consider what this accomplishes:

    Seemingly:

    It is a statesman like move, going forward and not ducking responsibility in a way nobody has been willing to do.

    In Reality:

    It covers her, by taking responsibility it heads off all kinds of stories that might come up with a theme of finding fault. Why should congress investigate to pin blame when it’s already been accepted?

    Seemingly:

    It supports the president, by taking the blame she shields the first Black president both showing herself a good soldier to the party and most importantly to the black community.

    In Reality:

    It undermines Obama by making her look strong, and him look weak. He is now forced to make some kind of statement second as a response. It’s the 3 AM phone call with her answering while he goes to Vegas.

    Seemingly:

    It ends press coverage on what the Obama Administration should do next, blame assigned move on.

    In Reality:

    It doesn’t end coverage it changes it. What will the president do about this? It puts Obama in a box. Blame is assigned so what is the punishment? If Hillary is responsible does he ask for her resignation, does he fire her? With his electoral prospects already sinking he dare not do either, and God help him if she resigns on her own. It would be another example of her acting while he is paralyzed. It is the final act of Carterization of the president.

    Seemingly:

    It makes her vulnerable as every commentator on the right calls for her head in the hope of embarrassing Obama and taking her down a peg.

    In Reality:

    It gets her in good with the base of her party. I can see the fundraising e-mails now. “She’s taken responsibility and those nasty right wingers are piling on” This will coin money for her. That doesn’t even take into account how the press will react.

    Seemingly:

    It hurts her 2016 election prospects after all she is responsible for an attack on the US on the Anniversary of 9/11 no less.

    In Reality:

    Not only does this make her look presidential (Expect comparisons to JFK’s Bay of Pigs speech from the MSM) but it neutralizes her primary opponents on the subject, in fact for the second time in twelve years she will be able to paint herself as the victim of the irresponsibility of a man who should have known better.

    Seemingly:

    It hands President Romney a ready-made issue in 2016 to use.

    In Reality:

    It puts Romney in a box. Every president has foreign policy failures and Mitt will have his share. Imagine the debate answer: “President Romney is right. I was secretary of state during the Benghazi debacle and I took full responsibility for it. What I would like to know is when the president will take responsibility for (insert relevant issue here)”. It will put and keep Mitt on the defensive.

    The Bottom line is forgetting all the national security and moral issues involved. Hillary has done the thing that most helps her in the long run while all the time managing to undermine her foes on both the left and the right in one fell swoop.

    That doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right thing to do, it IS but as usual the right thing is generally the smart thing and this was the smartest thing anyone in this administration has done in a while.

    This story may continue, but in terms of its negative impact there will be little if any on Hillary Clinton from this point on.

    Simply amazing.

    Update: Stacy Smithy gets it:

    Why am I not a Presidential candidate? Because if I was Mitt, I’d be all: “I’d like to congratulate the President on his choice of Secretary of State. After the better part of four years, somebody in the Administration finally took responsibility the way leaders do, on one of those hopefully rare occasions when it involves confessing a shortcoming. In this case, one that involved the butchery of four Americans. Hopefully this President isn’t too old to learn something from all this. Better leaders plan so as to minimize these sorts of tragedies. Lesser men play the Casablanca card and locate a usual suspects for a round-up. How is Nakoula doing these days, Mr. President?”

    Update 2: On Morning Joe Hillary Clinton compared to JFK. Think about it, in under 12 hours Hillary goes from: “The person responsible for a disaster” to JFK saying “defeat is an orphan”.

    Today is day one of campaign 2016.

    Update 3: Captain Ed Morrissey (he will always be Captain Ed to me) NAILS it:

    It’s a jaw-dropping display of a leadership vacuum, which Hillary ended up having to fill herself. This is exactly what Hillary warned voters about in 2008. The contrast between her moment of leadership in this crisis and Obama’s lack of leadership since the very beginning of it will not help Obama make the case for another four years of buck-passing at the top, not even when Obama showed leadership on the Nicki Minaj-Mariah Carey feud.

    http://datechguyblog.com/2012/10/16/hilary-makes-the-smartest-political-move-of-this-cycle/

  34. I do remember Hillary coming out an blaming the video wbb.
    ———————————-
    The initial response of all concerned was circle the wagons, and get NYT to bury the story–which they did. But the recovery of the Ambassadors diary by CNN, the testimony of Patrick Kennedy that the state department never concluded the video caused the problem, and other contrary evidence made it impossible for her to perpetuate that story. Hillary, a veteran of the Watergate Investigation, Special Prosecutors, etc. knew how politics work in Washington DC. Consequently, she disavowed the video explanation. Obama on the other hand was determined to stay the course, based on his infamous statement that “I can make them believe anything I want them to believe.” That parting of the ways may have been the catalyst for what subsequently happened. Her timing was excellent. If she had waited until after the election and he won he would have made her the scapegoat, and his media accolytes would have supported that. And if he lost, the hard left in the party, and the African American base would have had the same reaction as they did in 2008–how dare you destroy our first black president, we hate you etc. Infantile.

  35. Will anyone ask Barry about this? Of course, candy won’t, no Obot LSM will.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443768804578040873921142716.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

    ” President Obama is campaigning as a champion of the oil and gas boom he’s had nothing to do with, and even as his regulators try to stifle it. The latest example is the Interior Department’s little-noticed August decision to close off from drilling nearly half of the 23.5 million acre National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska.

    The area is called the National Petroleum Reserve because in 1976 Congress designated it as a strategic oil and natural gas stockpile to meet the “energy needs of the nation.” Alaska favors exploration in nearly the entire reserve. The feds had been reviewing four potential development plans, and the state of Alaska had strongly objected to the most restrictive of the four. Sure enough, that was the plan Interior chose.

    Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says his plan “will help the industry bring energy safely to market from this remote location, while also protecting wildlife and subsistence rights of Alaska Natives.” He added that the proposal will expand “safe and responsible oil and gas development, and builds on our efforts to help companies develop the infrastructure that’s needed to bring supplies online.”

    The problem is almost no one in the energy industry and few in Alaska agree with him. In an August 22 letter to Mr. Salazar, the entire Alaska delegation in Congress—Senators Mark Begich and Lisa Murkowski and Representative Don Young—call it “the largest wholesale land withdrawal and blocking of access to an energy resource by the federal government in decades.” This decision, they add, “will cause serious harm to the economy and energy security of the United States, as well as to the state of Alaska.” Mr. Begich is a Democrat. Cont…”

  36. Hey Ben @ Buzzfeed…would you rather be a clear headed independent thinker that can freely express what you believe OR…

    would you rather be part of the chattering ‘group think’ that pass these days for ‘journalists’ and are obligated to toe the Obama talking points…otherwise they will suffer the rath as Buss Bissenger just experienced…you little scaredy cat…have you ever had an independent thought or are you just too sucked in to know one when you hear one?

  37. MILITARY INSIDER: Ambassador Rice Just Confirmed Obama White House Lie

    by Ulsterman

    In a recent interview with the very Obama-friendly Washington Post, Ambassador Susan Rice said something very interesting that would appear to confirm the belief that it was senior advisers within the Obama White House who told her to lie to the American public regarding the true nature of the Benghazi Massacre that killed four Americans – including a United States ambassador. According to a longtime military insider, the quote from Ambassador Rice leaves NO DOUBT – it was the Obama White House that told her exactly what to say.

    EXCERPT:

    In an interview with The Washington Post published on Tuesday, Susan Rice, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, said, according to The Post’s characterization, that “she relied on daily updates from intelligence agencies in the days before her television appearances and on a set of talking points prepared for senior members of the administration by intelligence officials. LINK

    __________________________

    A figure with long standing ties to the United States defense industry, received this bit of information from a longtime Military Insider, and then passed it along to me. I am now, with their permission, sharing it with all of you…

    We provide intel. We don’t tell an administration how to sell that intel to the public. We don’t do “talking points”. Any talking points received came directly from administration. They packaged it. They delivered their version of it. Rice just admitted to that. Confirmation of Obama White House lie. Will forward to committee with assessment. -NAME DELETED- pushing for hearing announcement no later than 23rd.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/susan-rice-i-relied-on-talking-points-20121016?mrefid=mostViewed

  38. S
    October 16th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
    Hey Ben @ Buzzfeed…would you rather be a clear headed independent thinker that can freely express what you believe OR…
    ——————
    He is a journolister. A man with no honor.

  39. SUSAN RICE: I relied on daily updates from intelligence agencies in the days before her television appearances and on a set of “TALKING POINTS” PREPARED for senior members of the administration BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS.

    INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: We provide intel. We don’t tell an administration how to sell that intel to the public. WE DO NOT DO “TALKING POINTS”. Any talking points received came directly from administration. They packaged it. They delivered their version of it. Rice just admitted to that. Confirmation of Obama White House lie.

    OH WHAT TANGLED WEBS HE WEAVES, WHEN MESSIAH OBAMA STOOPS TO DECEIVE

    I GUARANDAMNTEEYOU, HONEST TOM DONOLIN IS UP TO HIS NECK IN THIS LIE. IT STINKS OF HIM.

  40. A Thought For Obama In Tonights Debate:

    I’m just a gigolo and everywhere I go,
    People know the part I’m playin’.
    Pay for every dance, sellin’ each romance,
    Ooohh what they’re sayin’?
    There will come a day, when youth will pass away,
    What will they say about me?
    When the end comes I know, there was just a gigolo’s
    Life goes on without me.

  41. Incidentally: The Town Hall, with “undecided” voters, isn’t being held in a swing state, but in True Blue New York.

  42. sigh, once again I have to remind that the AverageJoe is not as politically savvy as most everyone here. First thing my sis said this morning .. “wow, can’t believe how incredibly stupid Hillary was in letting the embassy people get killed. Hillary should have told the President she needed more people”

    Just the messenger.

  43. President Obama is expected to “spend some down time” with his close friends just hours before his debate this evening.

    The White House pool report notes that Marty Nesbitt and Mike Ramos, two of his closest friends, will spend time with the president this afternoon after he finishes an hour of debate preparations.

    Ramos is one of Obama’s close childhood friends from Hawaii, and Nesbitt frequently plays basketball with the president on primary election days, which according to the Washington Post is a “superstition” for the candidate.

    Obama will have dinner with the First Lady at the hotel before the debate.

    ……………………

    Screwing or chooming?

  44. This is also on the Foreign Policy site link below, but a little more of the big picture on UM…

    Is Hillary raining down on Barry and Joe???

    ——-

    State Department Paints Obama and Biden as Liars, Uninformed – or BOTH

    by Ulsterman

    An interestingly timed information release by the Hillary Clinton State Department tips the media off to ongoing negotiations between the United States and Afghanistan to extend the stay of American military well beyond the often repeated 2014 deadline. Just last week Vice President Joe Biden repeated the 2014 promise during a debate against opponent Congressman Paul Ryan that U.S. troops were to be out of Afghanistan by 2014. Now just a week later, the State Department directly contradicts Biden’s comments.

    EXCERPT:
    State Department official: Negotiations to extend U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan starting soon

    Despite statements by Vice President Joe Biden, the State Department is about to begin formal negotiations over the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, a top State Department official said Tuesday.

    Last week, U.S. and Afghan negotiators met in Kabul to talk about the Bilateral Security Agreement that will govern the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, when President Barack Obama said the combat mission in Afghanistan will end and the U.S. will complete the transition of the entire country to Afghan government control.
    Read more in News
    « MILITARY INSIDER: Ambassador Rice Just Confirmed Obama White House Lie

    Also last week, Biden told Americans during his Oct. 11 debate with Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan that U.S. troops were leaving Afghanistan by 2014.

    “We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we’re going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion,” Biden said. “We’ve been in this war for over a decade. The primary objective is almost completed. Now all we’re doing is putting the Kabul government in a position to be able to maintain their own security. It’s their responsibility, not America’s.”

    Marc Grossman, the State Department’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, explained today that’s not the whole story.

    Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces. LINK

    ___________________

    To have the Vice President of the United States, speaking directly for the Obama administration, repeat over and over again during a nationally televised debate that American troops will no longer be in Afghanistan in 2014, only to have the Obama State Department refute that claim less than a week later is indication of major miscommunication between the United States military, the State Department, and the Obama White House – OR – Barack Obama and Joe Biden are repeating an election year lie to the American public day after day after day with little regard to the truth, or the sacrifices of U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

    Well played Hillary…

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/16/state_department_official_negotiations_to_extend_us_troop_presence_in_afghanistan_s

  45. Update: Maybe Obama thinks Harry Truman said “The Buick Stops here”? No?

    Thanks to Powerline for featuring us as a “pick” once again. Powerline “picks” us today and Buzzfeed picks on us today. Sigh…

    Powerline also makes the same call we do below for Romney (Candy?) to slap Obama with a certain question tonight:

    “But then came a substantive question, to which Obama had no answer:

    POLITICO: Is Hillary to blame for Benghazi?

    OBAMA: (Silence. Kept walking.)

    It is quite remarkable to watch: [video at link]

    It’s a tough question. What is the right answer? Yes? No? I suspect that one more item was added to Obama’s debate preparation.”

    As we cross our fingers let’s reiterate a point we made below: If Romney “defends” Hillary and tell Obama to “man up” (Romney campaign is already using “man up”) he might do himself a world of good with women voters. We call it the “reverse Rick Lazio.

    A few more hours to go for the 97 lb. weakling to face off against Mitt Romney. We’ll be commenting and having all sorts of fun during the debate.

    ——————————————————————–

  46. I’m already tied up in knots about the debate. I literally loathe Candy Ass Crowley and don’t believe for one minute she’ll let Bambi get any hardball questions. She should NOT be getting the questions beforehand at all. the people in the room should stand up and ask their question. Fat Ass should not be screening them so she can pass them onto Bambi.

    Odd that Bambi decides to just chill out this evening and only had one hour today to prep. Sounds like someone who knows the answers before the test even begins.

  47. admin
    October 16th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    MoonOnPluto, enjoy:
    &&&&&&&&

    Hey, that’s my state!

    When we lived in rural Warren county (up in the Appalachian Mtns), it was fairly strongly Republican. When we moved to rural central (Monmouth), it too was Republican territory. In 1996, and going forward, I was happy to vote Dem.

    2008 changed everything. For the first time in my life, I voted against the Dems, and not just the top of the ticket, but to send a message to the Obummah boot lickers.

    My wife and I (she too a lifelong Dem, who can’t stand Obummer) are happy to see Romney yard signs.

    Heck, NJ just elected a Republican governor (and we have in the past). Hmmm, I wonder what the oversampling is like.

    Even people that voted for O 4 yrs ago (whether Dems or cross-over Republicans) are either on the fence, uninspired to vote (“didn’t we make ‘history’ already?”), or are now ready to vote him out.

  48. Dot48, let’s assume you are correct about AverageJoe and AverageJane (we disagree with you in that we think they might not be politically up to the details but most people have common sense). It is the job of political campaigns and political parties to get the message out. If Romney/Republicans say “the buck stops with Obama”and they make the case for that then AverageJane/AverageJoe will get the message. Thus far there are plenty of voices in agreement with Harry Truman about where the buck stops.

  49. What so many conservative pundits, including ALLAHPUNDIT and some at Breitbart fail to understand is that there is no love lost between the Clintons and Obama. Absent that understanding they are inclined to misinterpret the motive behind what Hillary does. They would do well to realize that if Hillary and Obama appear to be working together for the sake of party loyalty, they may not be, and there is probably far more to it than meets the eye.

  50. Admin: The voice of reason in a world of insanity 🙂 I just want all of my gut instincts about the interlopers in the WH to be shown in true light come November 8. My gut told me in 08 that he was dangerous to this country, my gut was right. My gut tells me that Romney might could get this country back on some sort of solid footing, bring back some jobs, do away with the death knoll ObamaCare. Maybe I want to feel vindication in a way when I hear them call it ROMNEY has just won the Presidential elections. I know if Bambi gets another 4 years we will not recognize this country. It’s undergone the transformation he promised and not in a good way nor good for Americans.

    I want our $ to be used here. I want dead beats off Welfare. Makes me sick to see that black woman BRAG about getting 30 free cellphones when I can’t even afford one. This woman most likely gets free housing, food stamps, medical card, heating assistance and everything else that honest hardworking people like I have been all my life do not qualify.

    When WV had the dericho back in June, I lost a whole fridge and freezer of food…I could not even get aide to help me replace my food. People around me getting fooodstamps who did not even lose power for two weeks just went to the welfare office and they gave them 2 free months.

  51. JbStonesFan, this one is most definitely for you (the new Stones single called Doom and Gloom):

    😆 😆 Perfect admin.

  52. The Stones, Doom and Gloom

    Now they are using graphics on their videos because Keith is too darn old to film? 😉

  53. Another thing I heard this morning which makes sense, is that people have really wanted a reason to fall out love with teh one. They resented being called racists because they think he is a failure. The last month has given them plenty of room to say, geez this guy is a total putz. White guilt.

    My empty chair has been out since Eastwood 🙂

  54. More speculation from the right…Barry a hero??? Not a chance.

    —–

    Tonight: Obama to Play Hero, Take ‘Full Responsibility’ for Libya

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton publicly accepting blame for the security failures in Libya the night before a hugely important presidential debate might be nothing more than a fabricated set-up to allow President Obama to dig himself out of a hole. Hillary’s statement was obviously timed so that it would take some of the pressure off Obama and swamp today’s pre-debate news — which it has. But the timing also pretty much ensures it will come up during tonight’s debate, and that’s where I smell a rat.

    Is the Obama campaign playing a simple game of checkers where Hillary’s statement is meant to let Obama off the hook 24 hours prior to the debate? Or is the Obama campaign playing a more complicated game of chess that potentially sets up a powerful presidential moment for Obama?

    Think about it: If Obama were to stand up before the American people tonight and thank Hillary for being The Greatest Secretary Of State In The History Of The Americas and then pull her out from under the bus and accept 100% of the responsibility himself, he’d look like some kind of hero.

    A moment like this would be dramatic, make the president look good, and likely command a lot of the attention in post-debate coverage. Pulling a manufactured stunt like this also presents almost no downside (everyone blames Obama anyway) and almost 100% upside.

    Just for starters, Obama would look chivalrous rescuing his female Secretary of State. This can’t hurt with the women’s vote and it certainly can’t hurt with Hillary’s core supporters who might be thinking of voting for Romney. Moreover, the media will absolutely gush over Obama for pulling Hillary off her sword. Almost immediately, The Libya Narrative could shift to how noble and brave it was for Obama to step up and accept responsibility. Suddenly, he’d actually look as though he has some credibility on the Libya issue.

    Earlier today, a member of Obama’s press pool asked if “Hillary’s to blame for Benghazi.” Obama refused to answer. He looked cowardly and the moment is right now getting all kinds of media attention. This only reinforces that it will come up in tonight’s debate. But why would Obama answer before the debate? It would only steal his own thunder, if he plans to rescue Hillary before 60 million people.

    If this is the plan and always has been the plan, it would also explain why Bill Clinton would allow Hillary to publicly take the fall — which has been the big question all morning. It would also help Obama pierce the criticism that he never takes responsibility for anything.

    That’s the upside.

    What’s the downside?

    Well, there really isn’t any. Obama’s already going to be held responsible regardless of what Hillary does or doesn’t say, and accepting responsibility is not the same as saying the security failures in Libya were his fault. It’s a win-win.

    The most important thing to keep in mind, though, is that Obama is only playing this game of chess for the next three weeks. All he needs do is run out the clock on Libya through the election. Both Obama and Hillary accepting responsibility muddies the waters for the media’s Narrative Gatekeepers, who are desperate to cover for their guy and to keep this from blowing up in Obama’s face.

    Finally, what does “accepting responsibility” really mean?

    Other than symbolically, it means nothing. And if you remember Janet Reno and Waco, when Democrats accept full responsibility to take the heat off a president, that’s usually enough to satisfy the corrupt media.

    Normally, I don’t risk making a fool of myself making predictions, but this seemed interesting enough to take the risk.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16/Debate-Obama-Will-Take-Responsibility-for-Libya

  55. Are we being played?

    http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/10/breaking-obama-spokesman-maybe-buck.html

    After Hillary Clinton took “full responsibility” for the security of US diplomats, and hours after refusing to respond to follow up questions from reporters, Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki fully reversed the Administration’s position.

    Psaki just told Fox News’ Sheppard Smith:

    SMITH: a conservative website from tucker carlson said hillary clinton shielded the president from benghazi attack, a political move?

    PSAKI: absolutely not. president obama takes responsibility for the safety and security of all diplomats serving overseas.
    Watch The Video here:

  56. If Obama pulls this I am responsible routine, Romney should tell him action speaks louder than words, Mr. Obama. And flying off to a Las Vegas fundraiser is not taking responsibility–anymore than going down to the local bar for a beer when your house is on fire. And don’t give me this “malarky” about being reachable by phone. If you are going to govern this country, you must be physically present when a crisis is at hand. That is like Leadership 101. As you have been told by foreign leaders long before this Mr President, we live in the real world–not a virtual one. But you never seem to get it.

  57. Are we being played?
    ———————-
    My sense is not. I believe the Obama campaign is playing catch-up with Hillary and damage control against Romney all at the same time. Now would be the time to bait him, when the pressure is on to prove himself. I believe he would jump the shark. Since he is a schmoozer and a backshooter by nature, it will be harder for him to play the tough guy to Romney’s face, and if he tries, he will quickly find himself in unfamiliar terrain, unsure of how far he can safely go. Reagan lost a debate because everyone around him–all his handlers were urging him to try to be something he is not. That same pressure will be on him tonight, and by subltley baiting him it is entirely possible that Romney will push him over the edge.

  58. Anyone know when the debate starts out on the West Coast, Hillbuzz thinks it starts at 5 PM in the Central zone….

  59. shadowfax, it starts at 9ET, that’s I think 6PT? you can watch it on cspan online… fox news will have a live stream, also youtube I think is livestreaming it also.

  60. better run some errands, thank you in advance for those blogging this tonight for us scardy cats who cannot stomach the OTurd and his adoring MSM who will cover up for him.

  61. I do not think Hillary and Obama coodinated on this at all. I really don’t. I think his original plan was to take responsiblity, blame her and fire her after the election. If this was staged she would have resigned. By taking responsibiity first herself, his later assertion thereof becomes an empty gesture–mere words. He can try to play the knight errant rescuing her, but that is absurd. In the moment, when it counted, the Las Vegas fundraiser was more important to him than the safety and security of the United States. And before the attack, he was not even interested enough to know what was going on, in a region he professed to be the focal point and the litmus test of the efficacy of his policy. Mere words is all he has got–plus a promise to track down the bad guys, and a wag the dog ploy. None of it will convince the undecideds in my opinion. Not when you set it againt his narrative that he had tamed al Quaeda, and had them on the run.

  62. I am damn happy to see that Hillbuzz is standing behind our girl again, and they have my favorite photo of Hillary in the rain to boot:

    WHAT SHE’S REALLY UP TO: something you miss if you buy the stupid “falling on the sword” meme being pushed about Hillary Clinton today.

    [ Hillary Clinton is not a woman who falls on a sword for anyone…but she is someone who knows how to take center stage in the middle of a storm and loudly define herself as the only adult in the room…while all the men around her are emasculated and diminished by her presence. ]

    I love words and consider them tiny magical spells if strung together properly into well-crafted sentences. I’m a wordsmith and am fascinated by turns of phrase, especially ones that other conservative writers choose to use that I think are inappropriate in certain situations. Today, Ben Shapiro over at Breitbart.com has an article up where he insists Hillary Clinton “fell on her sword” for Barack Obama; I’ve long thought Ben was the weakest writer they had over there and this cemented that in my mind because while “falling on a sword” is a phrase he’s probably been using since high school (which was not all that long ago for him) it doesn’t really apply to what’s happening regarding Hillary and the Benghazi situation in Libya. Things are far more interesting than that, and “falling on a sword” is not what Hillary did.

    I see that many of you out there are running around like chickens without their heads typing “Hillary fell on her sword!” too…and that makes me think less of you, frankly.

    [snip}

    Then there were all the emails in the in-box today: about 60 of them (and counting!) with various people out there disappointing me by writing in with some twist on the “Hillary fell on her sword!” garbage; I blame Ben Shapiro for a lot of this because it looks like a lot of them got their group-think notions from the Breitbart site. All of them miss what’s really happening here…which is obvious if you aren’t either blinded by Hillary-hate or are a political Tigger who jumps from one bit of excitement to another without really ever thinking about what you’re doing. This is like standing up in a theater shouting “The butler did it!” at the start of a mystery movie because you heard someone say that once, but you didn’t check to see if there was even a butler in the cast of characters…you just wanted to have fun shouting something in public because that got you some momentary attention, regardless of how wrong you were.

    Let’s first ask ourselves what “falling on a sword” really means. I found a site called The Phrase Finder that defines the idiom as: to commit suicide or offer your resignation.

    Has Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton killed herself this morning? No.

    Has she resigned as Secretary of State? No.

    Therefore, in the most basic sense, running around exclaiming “Hillary’s fallen on her sword!” is just stupid. If you’re doing this, please stop it. And tell Ben Shapiro to stop it, as well.

    Whenever Hillary Clinton is involved in anything, you need to look at the timing of what she’s up to…and understand that everything she does has a Hillary-related motive to it that benefits her in some way that might not be obvious to you. Hillary plays political chess and often makes moves that people don’t quite understand. Here it is four years later and on this site I still see people trying to leave repetitious comments about how they “don’t know why she ever agreed to be Secretary of State!”. Well, she did that because she didn’t want to be in the Senate anymore after losing the presidential nomination and becoming Secretary of State for a while adds another title to her resume besides lawyer, former First Lady, and Senator. Now she’ll be a former Secretary of State in the future whenever she runs for president again (which she is totally still doing) and it makes it that much harder for any of her detractors and malcontents to scream “How is she qualified to run!” again like some of them tried to do last time.

    Also — and it floors me that so many conservatives have such a monstrously hard time understanding this — Hillary needed to make black people like her again after the 2008 race when Obama’s campaign poisoned blacks against the Clintons in their effort to destroy Hillary. Remember Obama’s surrogates calling Geraldine Ferraro a racist because she supported Hillary and not Obama? Do you recall, right after the South Carolina primary when the Pigford bribes-for-black-votes was first happening, Obama’s campaign branding Bill Clinton (and by extension Hillary) a racist? All through the rest of the primary campaign, Hillary’s supporters were called racists for not “wanting a black man to be president” instead of the media accepting that Clinton’s supporters were largely people personally loyal to her who’d wanted her to be president for decades (in some cases). The fact that Obama was black had nothing to do with people’s support for Hillary, but Obama’s personal Ministry of Truth tried to paint her supporters as racists anyway. To this day, people like me who were once loyal Democrats will never vote for a Democrat candidate again because of the Alinsky methods used against Team Hillary in those primaries and the nonstop false accusations of racism that Obama’s camp has used as weapons for over four years now.

    Hillary leaving the Senate spared her from voting for any of the crazy things that Democrats did during Obama’s presidency…which is something Hillary was burned with before in the 2008 primaries when Obama held her vote for the Iraq War against her once the war became unpopular and he could claim that Hillary shouldn’t be the nominee because she “voted with Bush” on that. Hillary Clinton is a woman who’s been burned and abused so many times in her life that she automatically maneuvers to make sure the same thing can’t happen to her twice…hence her desire to leave the Senate and not be vulnerable to votes on the record coming back to bite her again. Becoming the Secretary of State and joining Obama’s Cabinet also meant that blacks would see that she’s not a racist, because she is “helping Obama by being his Secretary of State”. This worked perfectly because I’m not aware of any black people hating Hillary for running against Obama in 2008. Whatever bad blood was engendered during that primary campaign has been completely forgotten as it if never happened in the first place.

    As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has been completely untouched by anything insane that Democrats have done to the country domestically for the last four years. In fact, she purposefully escapes to someplace remote and exotic whenever Democrats are up to anything particularly stupid and memorable. Hillary Clinton even went so far as to be specifically as far away from DC as was humanly possible on Election Night in 2010 when Democrats were being shellacked by voters at the polls during the midterms. Democrats suffered the largest losses in modern American political history that day…while Hillary Clinton was literally dancing around a fire in Papua New Guinea wearing flowers in her hair and enjoying the squish of sand between her feet.

    THAT is who Hillary Clinton really is…someone who plays the game of politics very well, with the skill and foresight of a master chess player. This is the reason she’s the most popular political figure around today…more popular than any other Democrat and also viewed more favorably than any Republican on the national level. The woman has game and continues to survive and thrive despite everything that is consistently thrown at her.

    I’m sure Ben Shapiro is a nice kid, but he’s a fool if he thinks Hillary Clinton really “fell on a sword” to destroy herself to save Barack Obama. If you think this too, please stop coming to this site because you are using up expensive bandwidth and you clearly aren’t someone who pays much attention to either the Clintons or anything I’ve ever written about them in the last four and a half years. I’m really serious about this…if you can’t see that Hillary Clinton has a bigger plan in play here, then don’t ever load this page again because I only want astute and clever readers here…not people who think like Ben Shapiro and are racing around saying “Hillary fell on her sword!” today.

    What I think she’s up to:

    Consider the timing of the “I accept responsibility for the security failings” line that Hillary’s putting out there. She did this last night, after Close of Business, THE DAY BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.

    Hillary Clinton comes out and does something presidential…she in fact uses the classic presidential phrasing of “the buck stops here”…making herself look like the ultimate power in this administration, not Barack Obama.

    Hillary Clinton has totally emasculated the current sitting president and some of you are missing all the fun because you are too busy shouting “Hillary fell on her sword!”. Dummies.

    Today, while Democrats want to be focused on bragging about how well Barack Obama will do in this town hall debate instead the conversation is dominated by Hillary Clinton, as if she was the current president instead of Obama.

    Do you think this is a coincidence?

    Hillary knew full well what she said yesterday would prompt excitement and grab headlines…which sucked all the energy out of Obama going into this debate. Now, instead of preparing to go on tee-vee and try to remedy the damage he did to himself in the first presidential debate in Denver Obama is plagued by more worry about what Hillary’s up to now and how this is going to hurt him in the end. You saw how the night before that Denver debate when Sean Hannity played that old tape of Obama praising Jeremiah Wright how rattled it made Obama the next day. Well, Hillary enjoyed that so much she went ahead and rattled Obama again last night so he’d be off his game again this evening.

    She did this for fun and sport…and also to remind many of her old supporters from the 2008 campaign that Hillary should have been president, and not Obama. That’s the kind of thing that subtly encourages former members of Team Hillary to sit home on election day if they’re not going to vote for Mitt Romney the way I am. Don’t think for a minute that’s not the signal she’s sending to her supporters…by showing them that she’s the only adult in this administration and that she alone is responsible and brave enough to come out and say “the buck stops here”.

    The net result of all this is not any “sword falling”, as Ben Shapiro wrote and many of you have emailed or attempted to blast in comments here, but rather a woman who makes herself look mature and responsible while everyone around her plays a blame game and comes across as political amateurs.

    This is Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton making the most of the cards dealt to her in this mess and coming out of it looking more presidential than the actual president.

    Now that she’s done this, Obama’s diminished and is truly in a bind. Hillary’s just declared that Obama and Biden are both largely out of the loop and not involved in much that happens in the world. How can Obama then spend the next 21 days on the campaign trail claiming otherwise? It’s a great opening for Romney to repeatedly ask “Mr. President, who’s really running things in your White House?”. What does Obama say to that?

    I know that some of you out there still don’t understand why Bill Clinton is out campaigning for Obama when the Clintons clearly still hate the current president. Yet again, this is about the black vote…and about Clinton doing everything he needs to do to prevent anyone from blaming Team Hillary when Obama loses. This needs to be Obama’s loss, with no scapegoats. Obama needs to lose this without any ability to claim that if only Bill had campaigned more things would have been different. So, Bill is out there showing blacks what a good team player he is so that no one can call him racist…and Hillary is standing up and taking responsibility for Benghazi so no one can blame her for not doing it.

    To Democrats, this looks like Hillary is being selfless and noble…”taking one for the team”.

    To Independents, it’s Hillary showing more leadership and presidential qualities than either Obama or Biden possess.

    Republicans, it seems, just get to race around today foolishly shouting “She fell on her sword! She’s finished” like dummies because after all these years the woman who’s lived rent-free in their nightmares is still a complete sphinx to them.

    I honestly will forever cherish the many personal encounters I had with Hillary Clinton during the 2008 presidential campaign because she is a figure in history that is truly unparalleled…a brilliant woman whose detractors attribute all sorts of magical powers to…but whose true abilities and cunning remain a mystery to all of them. The real Hillary is a little different from the one you see on tee-vee and is definitely not someone who would “fall on a sword” for Barack Obama. People who have studied this woman or know her on any level would agree that there’s no advantage to her in sacrificing herself for someone she detests. Why on Earth would she?

    But Hillary Clinton is smart enough to seize a moment in her own way and come out of a mess better than anyone around her. My favorite photo of her ever is the one at the top of this article…Hillary in the driving rain in Pennsylvania thundering away despite the Obama Ministry of Truth telling her to shut up and go away and surrender the nomination to him. Hillary fell on no sword then and surrendered nothing…and she’s not doing it now either.

    This Benghazi situation is a lot like the Clinton impeachment, actually, if you think about it. There’s a disaster for Democrats and Hillary’s in the middle of it and the woman expertly maneuvers herself into a position to best capitalize on the entire thing in the future. You’ll remember that how she handled herself during the impeachment and the revelations of Bill’s affair made her a Senator in 2000.

    How she’s handling herself now — taking responsibility, proving herself to be the only adult in this administration, outshining Obama — is what she thinks will make her the 2016 Democrat presidential nominee.

    And she’s right, too. She will be the nominee and nothing will stop her. The only thing that could have ever stopped her was a credible black candidate and that already happened to her. It won’t happen again.

    It’s doubtful she’ll win the presidency in four years provided Romney/Ryan do everything I think they will do to bring the economy back to life, but those racing around today like little chickens crowing that Hillary “fell on her sword” and ended her political career are just foolish.

    And clearly people who know absolutely nothing about Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton or how she operates.

    There’s a reason I will forever respect and admire this woman even if I won’t vote for a Democrat ever again…and it’s because of her resilience and uncanny ability to twist and turn in just the right ways to avoid destruction by minimizing and emasculating the dim-witted men around her.

    Which is precisely what she did to Barack Obama last night.

    Just before his big, important, must-win debate.

    That’s classic Hillary, folks, if you are smart enough to see the magic in her words and the brilliance in her timing.

    Read more http://hillbuzz.org/

  63. President Obama’s campaign spokeswoman said that he “takes responsibility” for the security of U.S. diplomats, less than a day after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took the blame.

    “President Obama takes responsibility for the safety and security of all diplomats serving overseas,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Fox News today. “Secretary Clinton of course has a great amount of responsibility as Secretary of State.”

    Psaki denied that Clinton’s remarks were a “coordinated roll-out” to shelter Obama ahead of the debate, as Fox’s Shepard Smith suggested.
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-camp-president-obama-takes-responsibility-for-benghazi/article/2510923?custom_click=rss#.UH3Iu4bEL3B

  64. hahaha, the walk of shame….

    Van Jones just did awkward walk-on on CNN to apologize to Romney for calling him a ‘douche’ twice ON THE AIR.

  65. Is everyone out making popcorn for the show?

    Testing the waters today here in BLUE, blue state…Obots are not excited, they do not think Barry will do well in the debate, but they ‘Hope’ he will…they will vote for him even if he grows a tail, horns, spits fire and takes a dump on their pillow.

    It’s all about half of his DNA and his ‘education’.

    Idiots.

  66. so are there really any undecideds in deep blue NY?? really?!? so its already stacked against Romney. Let me guess, its will all about abortion, sandra fluke, 47% remark, then contraception, basically a rereun of the DNC convention day 1, and considering Obot Candy Crowley will be selecting the questions, no doubt it will be tilted towards her Messiah.

  67. sorry, if this reposts, not sure where these posts are going.

    so are there really any undecideds in deep blue NY?? really?!? so its already stacked against Romney. Let me guess, its will all about abortion, sandra fluke, 47% remark, then contraception, basically a rereun of the DNC convention day 1, and considering Obot Candy Crowley will be selecting the questions, no doubt it will be tilted towards her Messiah.

  68. Rumor has it that Sen. Bob Casey (D, PA) has quietly removed office decorations linking him to Obama and advertising changed. I wonder why……….

  69. If Obama gets all Patoneque tonight and says immediate action will be taken against the evil doers, someone should remind him that he has promised an investigation and we cannot know for sure who the bad guys are until that investigation is complete, so unless he is really into killing innocent civilians and setting the whole Middle East on fire, he should abandon any thought of wagging the dog.

  70. tim
    October 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    NYS is actually very Republican EXCEPT for the NYC area – including LI – and Albany.

    I am disgusted that Candy “The Ryan pick is a death-ticket wish” Crowley is the moderator. She’s even worse than Radditz. I am not going to watch. I will get the after-the-game rundown.

  71. tim,

    NYS is actually very Republican EXCEPT for the NYC area – including LI – and Albany.

    I am disgusted that Candy “The Ryan pick is a death-ticket wish” Crowley is the moderator. She’s even worse than Radditz. I am not going to watch. I will get the after-the-game rundown.

  72. tim,

    NYS is very Republican except for the NYC area, including LI, and Albany.

    I am disgusted that Candy “The Ryan pick is a death-ticket wish” Crowley is the moderator. She’s even worse than Radditz. I am not going to watch. I will get the after-the-game rundown.

  73. Rumor has it that Sen. Bob Casey (D, PA) has quietly removed office decorations linking him to Obama and advertising changed
    ———————-
    A totally useless gesture. Casey is the one who bragged about how tight he was with Obama, how they entered the Senate in the same year and Obama is good for the nation and the state of Pennsylvania–expecially the coal miners. He was so close to Obama that there was talk that if Obama stopped in his tracks, Casey would get a broken nose. This fawning, doting, Uriah Heep needs to be served his walking papers. Let the Catholic voters take care of him. He is a Vatican III Catholic, which means he is not Catholic at all. Just a gutter snipe.

  74. The real test is not what Casey does–fuck him. The real test is whether Andrew Sullivan takes down the Obama centerfolds that adorn his office, and make his heart throb. Only then will we know that the millenium has arrived.

  75. moononpluto,

    Casey is leading by only 2 points if polls are to be believed! He’s really in danger of actually losing.

  76. Looks like just about everybody who does not want Obama to win is angry that Hillary gave Obama an out with her breaking news.

  77. tim
    October 16th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
    Huh. Wife just got a call from her cousin that there was a small earthquake in new england area.
    —————————
    That was not an earthquake. It was simply a case of Candy Crowley slipping on a banana peel. A seismic event nonetheless.

  78. I wonder how much time gets devoted to Dem issues tonight, namely condoms, abortion. Will jobs get a mention…….

  79. Looks like just about everybody who does not want Obama to win is angry that Hillary gave Obama an out with her breaking news.
    ———————————————————–
    Only the stupid ones. You do not hear this sort of thing from Newt, Graham, or their ilk. They get it. They understand the politics of the other party. Most Republican voters do not.

  80. We hear a lot of about Romney’s plans but what do we know about what Obama wants to do if he gets a second term? What is his “vision”? (oh, don’t laugh at the question, 🙂 )

  81. Hillary falling on her sword was the theme on Bret Baier — Krauthhammer practically said that Hillary saved Obama.

  82. wbboei
    October 16th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
    What so many conservative pundits, including ALLAHPUNDIT and some at Breitbart fail to understand is that there is no love lost between the Clintons and Obama. Absent that understanding they are inclined to misinterpret the motive behind what Hillary does. They would do well to realize that if Hillary and Obama appear to be working together for the sake of party loyalty, they may not be, and there is probably far more to it than meets the eye.
    ****************

    I don’t know wbb, maybe we are really being gamed here. I remember in 2008 when the question of Hillary’s support for Big Bird vs McCain was presented to her and she looked into the camera and straight dead on she said ” I completely support Barack Obama and anyone who thinks differently, they don’t know me very well”

    I will never forget her demeanor, body language, I believed her, I still do. Sometimes I think we are delusional to put words or thoughts into her mouth or actions. Sometimes it is just what it is.

  83. tim
    October 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    Very harsh piece about all this by Larry Johnson over at No Quarter. I find myself agreeing with much.
    ————————-
    I do not know Larry personally, but I think highly of him. He can be very cogent on international affairs and attacking Obama. But I doubt that he understands the politics in the democratic party. Also, I think he is reacting to the scapegoating of the intelligence community by Messiah Obama. Evidently, he believes this helps Obama too. If so, then he has no grasp of the subtleties. There is a Souix tribe called the Nqoia. The name means they who appear to be going in one direction but are really going in the other. I wonder if he has heard of them.

  84. tim
    October 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    I told my daughter just about the same when she asked if I would be watching, I told her I didn’t need to, the narrative has been already written.

    *******************

    .pm317
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    Hillary falling on her sword was the theme on Bret Baier — Krauthhammer practically said that Hillary saved Obama.

    *************

    Krauth is probably right and I must be aligned with the dumb Repuds.

  85. gonzotx
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    ———————-
    Gonzo, when you have as few facts to deal with as I do, you can always be wrong. I find it significant that Hillary gave the interview to Monica Crowley who is a staunch and very bright Republican, rather than to Obama networks like NBC, ABC, NYT, WashPo, and Monica kept it secret for a week. I can draw a number of inferences from that fact alone to suggest this is not a favor to Obama. There is more here going on here than meets the eye, and the bitterness they feel toward Obama is a great motivator. The beauty of this strategy is 9 people out of 10 see her as helping Obama, whereas the Republicans knew of this a week in advance, and had an opportunity to prepare for it, whereas the Obama campaign leaned of it the day before the debate. If I were the Obama campaign, I would try to put a brave face on this, and make the grand maganaimous gesture , but internally I would be pissed, and would wonder what else did she tell them.

  86. But didn’t Tom Brokaw SAY there is no bias in the media?

    MEDIA
    Reporters Using ‘Fake Names’ to Buy Obama Campaign Merchandise at the DNC
    By Hunter Walker 9/06 9:55pm

    The Obama campaign merchandise table inside one of the media areas at the DNC. The press stand is visible on the left side of the photo.
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Members of the media have apparently been using “fake” names to buy official Obama gear and contribute to the Obama campaign inside the Time Warner Cable Arena where the president is due to speak in a few minutes. During our travels around the arena, Politicker spotted a souvenir stand in one of the press stands selling T-shirts and buttons supporting President Barack Obama, “Democrats Are Hot” bumper stickers and other official Obama merchandise.

    The souvenir stand was in a secure area only accessible to those with a media credential and buying campaign gear means contributing to the campaign, so we asked the woman working the cash register whether anyone at the press stand had been making purchases. Her answers were quite surprising.

    The woman working at the souvenir stand told us she hadn’t been “too busy” during the day, but had seen business pick up in the past half hour or so. She then asked us whether we wanted to buy anything. When we informed her that our status as a reporter means we don’t buy campaign gear, she suggested a strategy other members of the media have apparently used to pick up their Obama swag.

    “Have you ever thought of making up a fake name? That’s what the other guys do,” she said.

    Buying official merchandise at the DNC means making a donation the Obama campaign, an activity that is generally frowned upon for members of the media. The Obama campaign website specifically informs shoppers that purchases amount to donations in its “Frequently Asked Questions” section where one of the queries is, “Can I receive merchandise without making a donation?”

    “The only way to receive items from the 2012 store is by contributing through the official store site at store.barackobama.com,” the site says.

  87. wbboei
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    **********

    One has to wonder why Crowley didn’t bring it out today. Why give Big bird any chance to regroup prior to the debate?

  88. Kind of in a nutshell, found on Drudge
    ************

    Ross Perot endorses Romney…
    Honey Boo Boo endorses Obama…

  89. Okay, lets take the Krauthammer line: Hillary saved Obama. Do we want a president who cannot save himself or stand on his own two feet. If I were a Republican, I would make this a talking point—-but I would also read between the lines. If you do that, and examine THE ENTIRE RES GESTAE, then you will see an element of offense and defense in what she has done, and it has made Obama look bad in the process. Far from ending the inquiry, we have only just begun.

  90. Romney to get first question, so i bet they ask about Benghazi first question nd then Bambi gets to drop his gotcha.

  91. gonzotx
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
    wbboei
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    **********

    One has to wonder why Crowley didn’t bring it out today. Why give Big bird any chance to regroup prior to the debate?
    ————-
    Maybe she wants to see what kind of lies Obama tells tonight. If she did so prior to the debate, Obama could nip them in the bud, tonight.

  92. Col Hunt on Fox now saying St. Dept. people watched & listened to the 6 hour long firefight as our people fought for their lives in Benghazi

  93. moononpluto
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    Romney to get first question, so i bet they ask about Benghazi first question nd then Bambi gets to drop his gotcha.
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    I say good. He gets to paint the picture his way, and put Obama on the defensive. In a court of law, I would gladly trade the burden of proof for the right to go first. If he opens strong on this issue, it will set the tone. It will force Obama to respond aggressively, and people may not like that. And we shall also see how he hides behind Hillary’s skirt. By now, Romney has a treasure trove of information on this, and tomorrow there will be a senate hearing over the issue. Rather than seeing the debate as a stand alone event, it is best to see it as part of an overall process which will continue up to the day of the election, except for the early ballots.

  94. moononpluto, the attack went on for 6 hours — I think this has been known for a while. Hillary in the interview said it was intense and difficult ( or something to that effect). What was Obama doing in those 6 hours? Romney should ask that.

  95. pm317
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    moononpluto, the attack went on for 6 hours — I think this has been known for a while.
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    I don’t think people really knew that, hasn’t been common information.

  96. Well we know Big Bird Always went second with Hillary so he could copy her answers because the smartest man to ever hold the office of President cannot think on his feet.

    Nothing different here.

  97. “I aim to go watch Westerns on The Web.”
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    I’m at the Wynn. I think I will go down to the casino and see if there is any betting action on the debate/election.

  98. moononpluto
    October 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    Why is Van Jones still on CNN as a pundit after his rantings and name calling.
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    CNN Moon…

  99. I am going to watch my DVD of “The Outlaw JoseyWales”. Will be back in 2hrs to get
    the real results.

  100. I didn’t see this posted but, if I overlooked it, just ignore the – my bad.

    Found at PumaPac. Politico article saying Hillary had taken responsibility in a WSJ interview on Wednesday. They held it until last night. The question posed at PumaPac – why was article held? Did Hillary have to force publication? Interesting.

  101. BRILLIANT. MY FRIEND, THE MEDIA EXPERT HAS CRACKED THE CODE. *************************************************************************************************************************************************

    THEY TOOK HILLARYS BAIT. SHE SAID I AM RESPONSIBILE FOR THE EMPLOYEES AT THE CONSULATE. BUT I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SECURITY PROFESSIONALS, AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY. THE MEDIA ASKED ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR BENGAZI AND SHE SAID I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE 60,000 EMPLOYEES AND ALL OF THE EMBASSIES AND COUNSULATES–WHICH MEANS RUNNING THEM.

    THE MEDIA IGNORED THE SECOND STATEMENT. AND SHE LET THEM DRAW THE WRONG INFERENCE–TO THROW OBAMA UNDER THE BUS. IT WAS MEANT TO RILE OBAMA–AND WHEN SHE SAID THE BUCK STOPS WITH ME–MEANING SOS. SO THE MEME DEVELOPS THAT SHE TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM. BRILLIANT. AND SHE IS IN LIMA PERU–LAUGHING HERSELF SILLY.

    TRUST ME. THIS IS THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH IS RIGHT THERE HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT.

    THEY HAVE PLAYED THAT STATEMENT MANY TIMES, BUT NOBODY HEARS IT.

    CLASSIC HILLARY: STICK A SHIV INTO OBAMA, AND GET EVERYONE TO SAY HILLARY TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM. BRILLIANT.

  102. Lets see if the nerves of Obama become apparent very quickly or not?

    Candy, i hope she’s fair but i don’t bank on it. Cnn’s sound is screwed, lol.

  103. Not watching. Can’t stomach it, but I’ll bet MO’s outfit is sleeveless. If she’s wearing a jacket, there are no sleeves under it, and it’ll come off later.

  104. CLASSIC HILLARY: STICK A SHIV INTO OBAMA, AND GET EVERYONE TO SAY HILLARY TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM. BRILLIANT

    Buttttt, if people really believe Hillary was responsible then it takes all the heave ho off Bambi. Yes, I’m dense, admin has explained but I still keep thinking about all those people who like I originally did … believed that she was really responsible because she said she was.

    I’m not watching the debate.

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