Our Best Advice For Paul Ryan: Make Tonight The ‘Nobody Messes With Joe’ Danville Debate

Update: How many viewers will be watching tonight? It’s Vice Presidential Debate Night Follies.

Will this be bigger than the thrilla in Manilla? Will Robin leave Batman for Paul Ryan? Will Ryan, not Sinatra, henceforth be known as “ole blue eyes”? Will Biden have the gaffes punched out of him by Ryan’s pythons???? Everyone is having an open thread: The VP debate party tonight. Tune in tonight. The whole world is watching? With bated breath we will watch and hope Paul Ryan takes our advice (below) and reminds everyone of “nobody messes with Joe.”


26 days left. Tonight is debate night for the VP candidates. Joe Biden = No Scam Left Behind. Before the Denver Debate we gave our best advice to Mitt Romney. Today we give our best advice to Paul Ryan.

First Paul Ryan and his supporters should expect the best performance from Joe Biden ever. Biden will be tough and prepared. As Jim Gerathy points out “.. Joe Biden has done 18 Presidential or Vice Presidential debates and Paul Ryan has done zero. Unlike Obama, Joe Biden is going to throw the kitchen sink at the Romney-Ryan ticket — “Big Bird,” “47 percent,” “tax returns,” “$5 trillion tax cut,” and of course “voucherizing Medicare.”

Biden’s job is to attack Mitt Romney using Paul Ryan and his past proposals as the brass knuckles. Biden went into seclusion for six days in order to prepare for tonight and he will be ready to use all his decades of debate experience to demolish Paul Ryan.

What should Paul Ryan do? Obviously Ryan should attack Barack Obama using Joe Biden as his cudgel. How to do this in the most effective way possible is the subject of this article.

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Paul Ryan will be tempted to utilize the baseball scandal complaint, “Say it ain’t so Joe.”

But that Shoeless Joe Jackson lament will not be a home run for Ryan. The line that Paul Ryan should use early and repeatedly is “Nobody Messes With Joe.”

Remember “Don’t Mess With Joe”? It was the line Obama used to assure Americans about the wasteful and now hated Obama Stimulus scheme:

“Don’t mess with Joe!

6:23 p.m.: Obama explains that he is putting Vice President Joe Biden in charge of a “tough, unprecedented oversight effort” of the fiscal stimulus plan. “Because nobody messes with Joe.”

Biden breaks into a huge grin, Nancy Pelosi stands to applaud the Veep. Weird moment of humor because it almost sounds patronizing. Biden does not seem to mind and the crowd eats it up.”

It was before Congress, at a speech televised to the nation on February 24, 2009 that Obama declared that “every dollar” of his “stimulus” scheme would be scrutinized for waste and abuse.

In that nationally televised speech assuring the nation that his expensive wastes of money would stimulate the economy Obama promised that Joe Biden would protect the close to a trillion dollar scheme from waste, fraud, and abuse.

Joe Biden was charged by Obama, in front of the Congress and the nation, to mastermind a “tough, unprecedented oversight effort”. Joe Biden was given this important task by Obama. T-shirts were designed and sold by Obama Hopium Guzzlers bearing the admonition not to mess with Joe.

The Obama promise and threat “Nobody messes with Joe” was believed by Americans. Joe Biden praised the phony “stimulus” and declared he would be an effective watchdog. It would be a matter of “discipline” said Joe. Joe promised meetings. Joe said the money would be well spent. Joe said there would be a website making all monies spent “transparent”. Joe said he would go on TV to expose any waste, fraud, and abuse his oversight team would uncover.

The day after the Tuesday of Barack Obama’s “Don’t Mess With Joe” stimulus scam speech was Ash Wednesday. The first “don’t mess with Joe” meeting took place:

They said last night don’t mess with Joe,” the Vice President said today (Ash Wednesday) at the first Recovery Plan Implementation meeting. Then, pointing to his left, he corrected that perception: “This is the guy you don’t mess with.”

He’s talking about Earl Devaney, announced this week as the choice to lead the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board.

“The President has appointed one of our toughest Inspector Generals — he’s a no-nonsense guy — to help us follow the money,” the Vice President said.

A former Secret Service agent best known for his record of rooting out corruption as an Inspector General (IG) at the Interior Department, Devaney said it’s not enough just to detect fraud and waste — we’ve got to prevent it before the fact.

I’ll be on the frontlines, alongside the department IGs, preventing that waste,” he said. And once the money starts to go out and Recovery.gov has all sorts of data, he said, he’s counting on everyday Americans to take the initiative and keep an eye on the government, too.
There will be regular Recovery Plan Implementation meetings in the weeks and months ahead, so the Vice President can get regular updates from department and agency leaders – to hear what’s working and what isn’t.

Other key quotes from the meeting:
Vice President Biden:

This is a monumental project, but it’s doable…It’s about getting the money out in 18 months, to literally dropkick us out of this recession.

“The fact that so many Americans are struggling to get by should be an incentive to make sure the money is spent well.”

Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag:
“We are asking the taxpayers for their help to get this country out of this recession, and in return they deserve accountability and transparency. We have to go beyond normal procedure to a higher level of reporting.”

As we wrote in “Enormous Unprecedented Corruption” almost from the start “nobody messes with Joe” acknowledged the scams to come. Still Joe Biden stated: “Our credibility depends on transparency.”

How did “nobody messes with Joe” work out? That is the line of attack Paul Ryan should deploy tonight.

How did “nobody messes with Joe” work out? We discussed it in Enormous, Unprecedented Corruption. Remember corruption fighter Gerald Walpin and the Corporation for National and Community Service, the organization that runs AmeriCorps? Remember Mayor Kevin Johnson? Let’s hope Paul Ryan remembers these examples of the failure of “nobody messes with Joe” and makes the case that Joe Biden failed to protect hundreds of billions of “stimulus” taxpayer dollars. Let’s hope Paul Ryan makes the point that not only did Obama scam taxpayers out of eight hundred billion dollars but also that Joe Biden failed to do what he promised to do.

After Enormous Unprecedented Corruption” we wrote a follow-up article called “More Enormous Unprecedented Corruption“. More examples of Joe Biden’s failures and Obama’s lies exposed. Remember the Special Inspector General For TARP that was “blocked from messing with scammers by Obama and his Chicago Crimelords”? Remember Barofsky and SIGTARP? The Chicago Crimelords knew they could mess with Joe. Indeed, the Chicago Crimelords knew Joe Biden was a made member of their mob and that there would be no scam left behind.

Let’s hope Paul Ryan remembers these examples of the failure of “nobody messes with Joe” and makes the case that Joe Biden failed to protect hundreds of billions of “stimulus” taxpayer dollars. Let’s hope Paul Ryan makes the point that not only did Obama scam taxpayers out of eight hundred billion dollars but also that Joe Biden failed to do what he promised to do.

That’s our best advice to Paul Ryan.

There’s real reason to hope Paul Ryan will utilize “nobody messes with Joe” tonight. Paul Ryan mentioned the wasted taxpayer dollars from the Obama stimulus scam during his convention speech.

Paul Ryan has lots of ammunition if he decides to utilize our advice:

“Dance and ants. Dogs and dinosaurs. Windows for an abandoned building; new sidewalks replaced by newer sidewalks; and, a facelift for a fort few can reach.

According to a report released Tuesday by two Republican Senators, these are just a few of the questionable projects being funded with money from President Obama’s $862 billion dollar economic stimulus package. [snip]

Among the projects singled out for criticism in the report:–A half million dollars for new windows at the Mt. St. Helens visitors center in Amboy, Washington. The building has been closed since 2007 and there are no immediate plans to reopen it.–$6.9 million dollars for repairs to an 1846 brick fort marooned on Dry Tortuga at the end the Florida Keys. Few people can visit this remote national park unless they hire a seaplane or take a four-hour round-trip boat ride. –Creating a museum in an abandoned train station in Glasboro, NJ, at the cost of $1.2 million.–$2 million dollars to send researchers from the California Academy of Sciences to islands in the Indian Ocean to study exotic ants.–A study of dog domestication at Cornell University with a price tag of $296-thousand dollars.–$141-thousand dollars to send students from Montana State University to China to study dinosaur eggs.–$762-thousand dollars to create interactive choreography programs at the University of North Carolina. Dancers would wear electronic monitors to analyze their movements. –$89-thousand dollars to replace sidewalks in Boynton, Oklahoma that were just replaced five years ago. One of them goes nowhere near any houses or businesses and leads directly into a ditch. Coburn and McCain claim these and other projects are misconceived and mismanaged, while creating few, if any, new jobs.

As Senator McCain put it: “The stimulus package was supposed to create jobs. Unemployment was going to be 8%. That’s what the president said. That’s what his chief economic advisor said. That’s what the Secretary of the Treasury said when they sold this debt to the American people. It does not create jobs.”

Most Americans know the Obama stimulus scam wasted billions of dollars to little effect on jobs and the economy. Paul Ryan should hold Joe Biden to account.

Paul Ryan should declare Joe Biden a failure and Obama’s policies a failure.

Paul Ryan should focus on the Obama scams and make a strong case for a clean sweep.

Tonight, Paul Ryan should mess with Joe.

Tonight, Paul Ryan should defend Mitt Romney and mess with Barack.


314 thoughts on “Our Best Advice For Paul Ryan: Make Tonight The ‘Nobody Messes With Joe’ Danville Debate

  1. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444799904578048864216681262.html

    For the first week of this election season, Mitt Romney is outspending President Barack Obama on television ads, with the Republican challenger dipping into a war chest amassed from an aggressive fundraising schedule.

    Mr. Romney will spend about $16.8 million on television ads this week, according to ad-tracking data provided by media buyers, while Mr. Obama will spend about $15.5 million, down 30% from a week earlier, when the campaign spent heavily to air a two-minute, pre-debate spot.

    When spending by independent super PACs is included, the mismatch is wider. Mr. Romney and his allies will combine for $31.4 million this week, compared with $19.7 million for Mr. Obama and his supporters, according to data from one media tracker.

    A lot of the super PACs kind of were sitting there tepidly,” said Kyle Roberts, head of Smart Media Group, a Republican ad-buying firm. “You’re seeing them get back in the game.”

    The GOP advantage represents an additional fillip for Mr. Romney, who is riding a post-debate wave that has seen his poll numbers improve as the race enters its final stage.

    The Romney campaign is even spending heavily in states where Mr. Obama has led by notable margins, including a roughly $1 million advertising buy this week in Wisconsin. Mr. Obama and the super PAC supporting him have decreased their ad buys there, betting that the president’s lead is safe after a blitz of TV ads and two visits to the state by the president, including his largest rally of the year last week, in Madison. [SNIP]

    Meantime, Romney allies are poised to empty their hefty bank accounts during the campaign’s final weeks. Restore Our Future, a pro-Romney super PAC, said it is launching a $6.3 million ad buy in Florida, Iowa and Virginia this week—after spending money in just one state, Wisconsin, last week. On Oct. 23, it will launch a $14 million blitz in nine states, the tracking data show. This coming week, American Crossroads, another pro-Romney super PAC, will spend $7.4 million on a new spot that accuses Mr. Obama is asking for four more years of “more of the same.”

  2. …well, well, well…look who has re-appeared…Obama loving and Hillary hater, Camille Paglias herself…and she is out of love with O…and doesn’t really even think MR would be so bad…but boy is she angry with the pseudo-Liberals…

    …it only took her over four years to catch up with us…



    Next: I know you’ve got thoughts on the election.

    You’re getting an exclusive, because I haven’t said a word about this publicly. Journalists have tried to get me to comment, and I’ve refused, because I’ve been saving it for Salon!

    OK: Who are you going to vote for?

    I am voting for the Green Party.

    Oh, you are? I don’t even know who the Green candidate is. Who is it?

    Jill Stein — a doctor from Massachusetts. Now, I wouldn’t be voting Green if Roseanne Barr had won the nomination, but Stein is a solid and sensible candidate. I don’t agree with everything the Green Party says, but I’m in tune with many of its basic positions. I’m remaining a registered Democrat because I still hope for the reform of my party. If the Republican candidate were Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich, I would certainly not be voting Green; I would be voting for and contributing to Obama again, as I did in 2008. There are three people on the political landscape whom I absolutely loathe — Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Dick Cheney — that delusional and mendacious war-monger.

    But I think that Mitt Romney is a moderate — like Nelson Rockefeller, who as governor of New York poured money into the state university system that educated me. Romney is an affable, successful businessman whose skills seem well-suited to this particular moment of economic crisis. Hence I want to use my vote to make a statement about my unhappiness with the Democratic Party and the direction it has taken. The biggest issue for me is the Obama administration’s continuation of endless war, war, war. I denounced the Iraq incursion before it even happened.

    I remember that — it was in an interview with David Talbot for Salon.

    It was when the cowardly major media were totally accepting the government line and the flimsy evidence that Colin Powell presented at the United Nations. It was only after the invasion had been launched — and the non-discovery of any weapons of mass destruction — that the media woke up and began its way-too-late critique. I have been revolted by the silence of the liberal mainstream media about Obama’s expansion of war — even beyond our pointless continued presence in Afghanistan. After 9/11, I was for bombing the hell out of the mountains of Afghanistan until Osama Bin Laden was caught or blown to smithereens.

    I certainly never believed that land troops should be used in Afghanistan. Good lord, look at the evidence of history — how ridiculous! Not only the defeat of the Soviet Union there — it goes all the way back to Alexander the Great! But the Libyan incursion is another example. The mainstream media behaved like robots as Hillary Clinton and Samanatha Power and who knows who else put pressure on Obama to go into Libya. What are we doing there? It’s absolutely madness! Then, all of a sudden, when the whole thing blows up and our ambassador is killed, Hillary is in a funk. Oh, dear, how could this have happened? In a country that we helped!

    And what is the administration’s response to the murder of our ambassador? Nothing. Do we have a presidency or not? The ambassador’s journal was lying on the floor for CNN to find, and it took weeks for the FBI to get there and spend a day — after sensitive documents were stripped long ago. The State Department has clearly become a morass of political correctness. Hillary and U.N. ambassador Susan Rice should resign. Of course the mainstream media were mum for weeks about the Libyan scandal. And that just empowers the right-wing in the country.

    The media’s pampering and protection of Obama over the years simply led to his weakening — which was on excruciating public display at his first debate with Romney, who landed blow after blow.

    So, the first reason I’m voting Green is the state of endless war. Second is the appalling rise in the military and domestic use of drones. I bought Medea Benjamin’s protest book about drones, and I agree with her. There is reason for great concern about the use of drones for police surveillance in the United States.

    This Democratic administration has gone very deep into the weeds here in offering incentives to local police departments to acquire drones, which are a serious threat to our civil liberties and right to privacy — which liberals should be defending. We’re on our way toward a Big Brother society.

    My third reason for going Green is the creeping totalitarianism of Obamacare, which Jill Stein as a physician is rightly skeptical about. I began denouncing the Obamacare bill in my Salon column within two months after Obama’s inauguration.

    And I was also criticizing the President’s imprisonment within an insular circle of advisors who were not of sufficient quality and experience as administrators or strategists to sustain his presidency. If Democrats and their cohorts in the mainstream media had listened to me and begun criticizing the administration early on, there would have been ample time for a course correction and Obama would now be sailing into reelection.

    But the childish naivete of so many supposedly well-educated liberals was shown by their complete failure to notice or remark on the most glaringly obvious deficiency in Obamacare:

    You cannot possibly expand medical coverage to millions of people without also expanding medical training and funding new clinics and hospitals. The total absence of that in the bill was ludicrous. And you still hear mush-minded liberals saying all the time in the media, “Oh, what about this nice provision or that?” When any of those things could have been easily dealt with by free-standing bills passed with bipartisan support.

    The way liberals lay down flat to accept this massive, totalitarian takeover of the American medical system was shocking to me. Let’s remember how Bob Dylan broke out of folk music into the public sphere with his great song, “Subterranean Homesick Blues,” which was about the fascist intrusion of Big Brother government.

    It was about the FBI and the CIA and the police — faceless bureaucracies — intruding into our private lives. What in the world has happened to the Democratic Party?

    Its passivity towards this awful takeover of our lives by a know-it-all government, as shown by the way Obama has governed by constantly going around Congress — appointing czars and one new layer of bureaucracy after another. And hardly a peep of protest from liberals.

    It’s like the movie of H.G. Wells’ “The Time Machine” — Democrats have turned into the Eloi; they’re like sheep. They hear a signal, and it’s like pre-programmed spin in their heads — they just trot like sheep in one direction. I am voting Green in protest against the systemic corruption of my party.

  3. Vcal
    October 11th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Wait till we have all the facts? Will we ever have all the facts? We are talking about a government that has never come out clean with “the facts” about anything.

    I was not “quick” to lay blame at Hillary. But I do not have blind allegiance. I also realize that the “Ambassador” was probably playing a double role. If you read my posts completely you will see that. I came to that conclusion quite some time ago.

    Nonetheless, Hillary is the SOS. I can not, and I will not abnegate her responsibility because of past admiration. If we find out she informed the Ambassador to get out or not be present in Libya during 9/11, or until a SECURE consulate was available, I will apologize, BUT if this is not part of the narrative, I stand on my comments. It is because of my admiration for her I have swallowed my initial anger at her being part of this foul Administration in hope that her presence could buffer his destruction of this great country of ours.

    It is because of my past admiration of BC that I have not gone bat shit crazy that he is campaigning like a zealot for the fraud.

    But no more.

    I am sick and tired of playing the ‘what does she really mean, or what does he really mean” by their actions. It is time for all to lay their cards out. This country is in grave danger and under attack from within. It is time.

    I am afraid for this country. I am truly afraid for this country and my children’s future, and ANYONE that helps this monster get re elected, is no longer a friend of mine.

  4. Good advise for Ryan Admin. People will be out with daggers if he beats up poor old drunken Joe tonight too badly. Joe can play the “experienced” statesman on occasion when his blood alcohol level is down. The powers that be can not let both Joe and Big Bird lose in a week.

    I realize they had him in detox filling his head with factorama’s, no booze to be found I am sure. But then again, alcoholics have a way of hiding things.

    The deck is already stacked against Ryan with the moderator. He will have to navigate the murky shark infested waters like Jacques Cousteau.

  5. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-exclusive-biden-debate-prep-photo/

    Danville, Kentucky (CNN) – CNN has obtained exclusive pictures showing Vice President Joe Biden practicing for the vice presidential debate against Rep. Paul Ryan in the Sheraton Hotel in Wilmington, Delaware where Biden spent the last four days in an intensive debate camp.

    This look at Biden’s practice set up shows the lengths his team went to replicate the debate conditions he will experience tonight as he squares off in his only debate against his Republican opponent at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky.

    A second floor ballroom in the hotel was staged to resemble the debate conditions, complete with a similar blue backdrop, red carpet and a semi circle-shaped table like the one he will share with Ryan.

    As seen in the photos taken Wednesday, Biden is seated on the left in the debate. Paul Ryan, played by Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Maryland, in the mock debates, is seated on the right.

    Across from Biden and Ryan is moderator Martha Raddatz, played by the Vice President’s communications director Shailagh Murray, who is a former reporter with The Washington Post.

  6. There is reason to believe she might: Raddatz has irked at least one campaign from the moderator’s seat: the 1990 gubernatorial campaign of Democrat John Silber, president of Boston University.

    Raddatz (at right, above) famously asked Silber why he had not campaigned more frequently in poor minority communities, prompting him to respond: “There is no point in my making a speech on crime control to a group of drug addicts.”

    Silber, amidst accusations of racism, fought to clarify his remarks in the days that followed, and visited the predominantly black community of Roxbury in Boston–though he refused to apologize. He went on to win the Democratic primary by 10 points, though he lost to Republican William Weld in the general election.

    While Silber was responsible for his own gaffe, public consensus was that Raddatz had likely aimed to knock him off balance, joining the media’s general skepticism of–and opposition to–his campaign.


  7. MoonOnPluto, we fear you are right. These seated debate settings are usually a politeness buffet. As you say, a snooze.

    Biden might be desperate enough to attack though and that would liven things up. Maybe Ryan will put Biden in a headlock until Biden says “uncle” if/when Biden attacks.

  8. Hope remains for a lively fight:


    DANVILLE, Ky. — Vice President Joe Biden will take the stage Thursday to debate Rep. Paul Ryan in a matchup that Democrats hope will restore some of the momentum they’ve lost since President Barack Obama’s widely panned performance in last week’s debate.

    Republicans, meanwhile, want to bolster their own standing, which polls indicate has improved since nominee Mitt Romney’s strong showing against the president.

    Thursday’s debate will be the only contest between the two men, but it could be critical for the Obama campaign, which finds its numbers falling in key battleground states since the first debate.

    “There’s some thinking in conservative circles that (Mitt) Romney did so well and Obama did so poorly that a really good showing by Ryan could firmly establish a trend of momentum for the Republicans,” said Keith Appell, a Republican consultant who advises conservative groups.

    Even Democrats acknowledge that the stakes are higher now for Biden to deliver a solid performance.

    “For Democrats, it’s an opportunity to start the comeback narrative,” said Fred Yang, a Democratic pollster. “It’s a chance to restart, to acknowledge that we had a tough debate, but we’ve had some improving jobs numbers and we’ve got momentum heading into the next round.”

    The 90-minute faceoff at Centre College in Danville, Ky., which starts at 9 p.m. EDT, will focus on foreign and domestic issues. Martha Raddatz, chief foreign correspondent for ABC News, will moderate.

    Though Ryan has little foreign policy experience, Biden does. But Ryan is likely to push Romney’s charge that the administration has mishandled events in the Middle East, particularly the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya that resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador.

    Expect Biden eager to cast himself as a champion of the working class and to portray his opponent as a far-right conservative and a member of the unpopular House of Representatives. He’ll look to tie Ryan to his budget plan, which cuts into popular programs, and charge that he wants to radically change Medicare and cut taxes for the wealthy.

    Ryan will likely portray Biden as partner in a presidency that has failed to fix the economy and improve conditions for millions of jobless Americans.

    While the campaigns might view this debate as critical, analysts say that it’s just as likely to be forgotten as soon as Tuesday, when Obama and Romney meet for a second time. They will take questions from undecided voters in a town-hall style encounter in New York. Their final debate will be Oct. 22 in Florida.

  9. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/11/video-jon-stewart-mocks-big-bird-ad-tells-obama-to-let-it-go/

    Stewart congratulates President “Costanza” on his next-day comeback and declares the most damning part of the ad, “I’m President Obama and I approved this ad.” “WHY?” Stewart asks, pleading with the campaign to “let it go.” The poet laureate of my generation and writer of “My Humps,” Wil.i.am, even comes in for some uncustomary ridicule for his “half-assed remix” of “Sesame Street’s” theme song at an Obama rally.

    I’m echoing others, here, but it bears repeating. What’s striking about this ad is not that it’s uncharacteristically shallow. It’s not. It’s a hallmark of the Obama campaign to fan any flimsy story line or one-off gaffe to distract from the economy or the debt or Benghazi. What’s different now is that it’s being treated as shallow. A couple months ago, this ad would have been hailed as a savvy, emotional play for the very young voters and moms he must energize. Wil.i.am’s mere presence would have been a signal of Obama’s ability to harness the power of the creative class to really bring the politics of budget priorities home for the average voter. “Is there more to the Big Bird flap than meets the eye?” newscasters would have asked, happily producing PPP’s inane polling of the bird’s approval numbers— spoiler: they’re very high—and reproducing every hipster parent’s YouTube production of toddlers Hudson and Cash whimpering for their favorite fowl.

    Now, this very phony story line looks like a failure to recognize his very real failure in the debate (not to mention Benghazi, which adds to the perception, even if it’s not linked to Obama’s political woes as often as Denver).

  10. Disgraceful on so many levels, should be stripped of polling licence and shunned as a pollster.


    Stunning PPP poll asks if conservative media wants white people to think Obama hates them

    The Democratic-leaning polling outfit Public Policy Polling is pushing the stunning notion that media figures like Sean Hannity, Matt Drudge and Tucker Carlson want white people to think President Barack Obama hates them.

    “Do you think conservative media figures want to make white people think Barack Obama hates them, or not?” PPP asked in a recent Wisconsin poll this month, according to results first published by Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin.

    The question came after the outfit asked respondents if Obama hates white people and whether they have a favorable or unfavorable impression of the Drudge Report, Sean Hannity of Fox News and Tucker Carlson of The Daily Caller.

    PPP pollster Tom Jensen told The Daily Caller Thursday that the poll was put in the field in response to The Daily Caller’s much-publicized video last week of Obama discussing race and Hurricane Katrina in 2007.

    “Many people felt that the Daily Caller’s intent last week, along with Sean Hannity and the Drudge Report, in trying to make news out of a 5 year old video was to stir racial resentment among white voters against Barack Obama,” Jensen said in the email. “We were just polling on a topic in the news last week- one in fact that your own organization tried to make into news.”

    He denied that the survey amounted to a push poll, where the questions are asked in an attempt to sway the view of respondents.

    “Polling on something that received a large amount of media attention last week is not a push poll,” Jensen told TheDC.

    On his radio show Thursday, Hannity said of the survey: “That is a sick question if you ask me.”

    “They’re acting as advocates,” Carlson said on Hannity’s show. “They are an adjunct to the Obama campaign.”

    In her story, Rubin wrote that every independent and Republican pollster she spoke to about the survey were “shocked” by the questions. One independent pollster called it “low rent” polling.

    “I am just taken aback that a respectable polling firm would even ask a question like that,” one Republican pollster told Rubin.

    According to the results, 13 percent of people surveyed in Wisconsin think Obama hates white people. Seventy-one percent do not think that, and 15 percent are not sure.

    Twenty-nine percent think conservative media figures want white people to think Obama hates them, while 51 percent think they do not. Twenty percent, according to the poll, said they are not sure.

    On Twitter, Jensen elaborated on the poll and said no one paid them for the survey. “Just things we [we’re] interested in internally,” he wrote.

  11. Wow, Stef cutter literally running away from CNN’s Katie Pavlich, who’s asking about her remarks on CNN. Video to come.

    As she fled, Cutter told Katie Pavlich she’s not resigning and “stands by” her comments, flees questions about her outrageous Libya remarks, hides behind “written statement.”


    Oh i can see a resignation coming over this. journo’s are actually out for blood.

  12. This is going to please you guys…..

    POLL ALERT: Romney up 7 in Florida, per Mason-Dixon

    Times/Bay News 9/Herald exclusive Florida poll: Romney 51, Obama 44

    Barack Obama’s lackluster debate performance last week has dramatically altered the presidential race in Florida, with Mitt Romney opening up a decisive 7 percentage point lead, according to a new Tampa Bay Times/Bay News 9/Miami Herald poll.

    The survey conducted this week found 51 percent of likely Florida voters supporting Romney, 44 percent backing Obama and 4 percent undecided. That’s a major shift from a month ago when the same poll showed Obama leading 48 percent to 47 percent — and a direct result of what Obama himself called a “bad night” at the first debate.

    The debate prompted 5 percent of previously undecided voters and 2 percent of Obama backers to move to Romney. Another 2 percent of Obama supporters said they are now undecided because of the debate.

    “There’s no question in my mind that debate made people stand up and pay attention, and it really wiped away any questions people had about Romney, whether they were undecided or soft for Obama,” said Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, which conducted the poll for the Times and its media partners.

    Across the board, from who is better suited to improve the economy, to who will protect Medicare, to looking out for the middle-class, to handling foreign policy, likely Florida voters now favor the former Massachusetts governor over the president.

    “It’s a very big shift since the debate, and where the shifts are taking place are very, very interesting because they are the types of shifts you see in Florida when something starts to break one way or another,” said Coker, likening it to when Ronald Reagan shot past Jimmy Carter in 1980.

    Take Tampa Bay, the battleground region that invariably mirrors statewide results. A month ago, Obama had a 4 percentage point lead in Tampa Bay. This week, Romney led by 8 percent, 52 to 44. In Central Florida, Romney now leads by 6 points.

    Likewise, Obama’s lead among likely women voters in Florida fell from 15 percentage points last month to just 2 points, 49 percent for Obama and 47 percent for Romney.

    Obama’s once 11 point lead among likely independent voters had cascaded into a 13 point lead for Romney this week, 52 percent to 39 percent.

    The poll found little change among Florida youngest voters, 18-34, or oldest voters, 65 and up. But those ages 35 to 64, who had been evenly divided a month ago, moved dramatically to the Republican nominee. Romney now has a nine point lead among voters age 35-49 and a 15 point lead among those between 50 and 64.

    Especially ominous were the numbers for Hispanic voters, a demographic where the Obama campaign is banking on an advantage of at least 15 percentage points. The poll showed 44 percent of likely Hispanic voters favoring Obama and 46 for Romney, though the margin of error is higher with that smaller group of voters.

    “We ran away from other countries in search of a more traditional United States,” said Coral Gables resident Mary Gonzalez, who immigrated from Venezuela. “I think with the current president, the United States moves to (the left). And with Romney, I believe he can return the United States to its traditional course.”

    The bottom line? Obama appears to be in serious trouble in America’s biggest battleground state. He has two debates and 25 days to turn it around, but the poll points to a race that had been close and stable for months shifting significantly toward the Republican nominee.

  13. Ma-Dix FL poll finds 9% either moving to Romney post-debate or from Obama to undecided. 0 percent moved other way.

  14. Ok, thats good…

    Per coin toss… Biden will deliver the first answer and first closing statement… Ryan will get the final word.

  15. WOW! KAZAM! Mitt trounces Cutter and the POS with this response to her outrageous comments that R-2 caused the Libya assassinations.

    This does NOT sound like a man who intends to lose.

    Governor Mitt Romney objected heatedly to an Obama spokeswoman’s dismissal of criticism of his Administration’s handling of the Libya crisis as a political issue driven by Romney and Paul Ryan.

    Obama and his campaign “fail to grasp the seriousness of the challenges we face here in America,” Romney said.

    “No, President Obama, it is an issue because this is the first time in 33 years that a United States Ambassador has been assassinated,” Romney said during a campaign stop in Asheville, North Carolina. “Mr. President, this is an issue because we were attacked successfully by terrorists on the anniversary of 9/11. President Obama, this is an issue because Americans wonder why it was that it took so long for you and your Administration to admit this was a terrorist attack.”

    “This is a very serious issue, these are very serious questions, the American people deserve serious answers, and I hope they come soon” he said

  16. omg, what a complete lunatic this deranged Stephanie Cutter is! and these are the idiots who were in the WH for 4 years?!?

  17. Thank you George Clooney for revealing how much of a totalitarian you really are. The first amendment is protected by the US Constitution not just for nice speech, its protected more importantly for speech that isn’t popular, nice to see you express that its unfortunate that some people have that right to free speech, however vile that free speech is. SCUM, utter left elitist hollywood scum. and then has the gall to make a movie like Argo!


    “Clooney added that he saw part of the YouTube video: ”It made me mad and I’m not Muslim,” he said. “It made me mad for the quality of film that it was, more than anything. But the simple truth is that in order to make [democracy] work, the idiots get to have their say, too. And that’s unfortunate.””

    Wonder what Mr. Clooney thinks of Shariah law, I’m sure he’s a big fan.

  18. Basil, not sure, sometimes the youtube clip shows up, sometimes it doesn’t, not sure if it has something to do with the formatting of the link.

  19. wow. These people are deranged, all these dems, deranged. 4 Americans were murdered, we were told over and over again it was because of some stupid movie, when they knew that was not that reason internally. If the roles were reversed, they would absolutely and correctly be going after the repubs. So because now they’re in charge, its now “unamerican” to investigate?
    They correctly went after the Plame outing, but no one died in that case, but now 4 Americans, including an American ambassador were killed, and the dems are more interested in covering up. Unbelievable.

    “Wasserman Schultz Calls Republicans “Un-American” For Investigating Benghazi Attack…”

  20. “ooh Dana Bash trying a gotcha on CNN and Ryan stops her dead in her tracks.”

    is that a past interview? if not, I wonder why is Ryan giving interviews just 1 hour before the debate? Very strange.

  21. Thank you in advance to anyone who is blogging this live. (sorry, still cannot watch, wife will watch, she loves Ryan, lol, gee I wonder why, but I cannot watch any of these debates)

  22. this could be fun………………

    Report: Axelrod Took Over Biden’s Debate Prep Because He Was “All Over The Place”…

    Via Gretawire

    –Fox has learned that VP Biden was “all over the place” in his first debate prep, acc to a senior Democratic source

    –this is why David Axelrod and other senior aides “took over” the prep, acc to my source. Word is VP a little rusty after 4 yrs of no debate

    –They did at least six prep sessions, and top Dems now say they are confident VP is ready to go


  23. Dems have been hiding Biden purposely for the last 5 months, you have to ask yourself why? Because they are worried when he goes off script.

  24. Debate Thoughts: Lower Expectations

    Because I’m hearing a lot about how Ryan’s going to “destroy” Joe Biden.

    Let’s look at reasons why that won’t be so:

    1. The Moderator Chooses The Questions and Will Presumably Attempt to Maintain “Control.”

    When liberals assailed Jim Lehrer for “losing control” — that is, permitting two highly accomplished, adult men with no criminal history to talk to each other without much official supervision — they weren’t really criticizing Lehrer. They were making excuses for Obama, but more importantly, they were working the refs of the next game.

    They were laying down a marker for the next moderators that If you fail to properly coddle Obama and/or Biden, you will be all but excommunicated from the Press Club.

    I imagine this worked. I imagine, as many have said, that Paul Ryan will be debating two opponents, not one. I believe that all the tough, wedge-issue questions will be put to Ryan — with the moderator interrupting his answers to contradict him and cavil — whereas Biden will be offered open-ended questions asking him to rehabilitate Obama’s image. And he will do so.

    2. All Issues, Including Abortion, Birth Control, and #waronwomen, Will Be Included In This Debate.

    Understand this about the Romeny/Obama debate — that debate was on the economy, debt, and taxes. The issues the Romney/Ryan ticket are running on.

    This debate will cover all issues, and bet your bottom dollar that #waronwomen will be three of them. (There are nine “pods” of questions; expect a full third, or more, to be devoted to Birth Control, Abortion, and #waronwomen.)

    It’s not that Ryan automatically loses on such questions; but he doesn’t have any advantage. Further, when the moderator is dwelling on all the tough questions of Ryan’s position (abortion in cases of rape) but serving up Biden Home Run Pitches and not asking him any tough questions (“abortions” conducted on actual live-birth babies), it stacks the field pretty badly.

    Ryan will tread very carefully here, trying to appease both the harder-core of the social right while trying to not scare the shit out of moderates. He will come off scripted, controlled, and not quite candid during these interrogations.

    And that’s a third of the debate.

    And when Ryan gets into the specifics of budgetary policy, and Biden seems to be flailing, the moderator will advise Ryan “let’s get out of the weeds here.”

    Of course– let’s get away from Ryan’s advantage. And ignore the fact that the game is in the weeds. That’s precisely where you hunt it.

    3. Biden Is Liberated From Responsibility And Can Say Literally Anything Without Fear of Fact-Check.

    Biden’s reputation for silly blarney means that nothing he says will be fact-checked by a media desperate for an Obama/Biden win, and furthermore, no matter what howlers he tells, none of that will be permitted to reflect poorly on Obama himself.

    No idiocy of Biden’s will wind up staining Obama. So he can indulge in the Tactically Idiotic at will.

    A Liberation From Responsibility is quite an advantage.

    4. Biden Has Long Been Regarded As Rather A Strong Debater.

    No bullshit here — this isn’t just me hackishly propping him up. As Legal Insurrection recently noted, with video clips aplenty, Biden’s strength — one of his only strengths — is being good at both giving an old-fashioned ward-heeler type political speech, and giving the same sort of Machine Politician Pro debate performance.

    Remember, Sarah Palin gave a good performance in the 2008 VP debate — so good I thought she won, and won clearly (on points, but unanimous decision by the judges).

    But polls — the same polls that now say Romney won Round One with Obama — said Biden actually won.

    Sarah Palin wasn’t an idiot, and had charisma, and had done her homework in preparing for the debate. Biden still won.

    And Biden was judged to have won many of the Democratic debates when he ran for president in 2008. No one noticed, because he was never considered a serious candidate, but his combination of joviality and po-mouth blarney was thought to be winning and charming.

    5. For a Certain Segment of the Population, Intellect Is Threatening and “Other.”

    And this is Biden’s secret strength — he talks best to people who are, how do I say this, not particularly bright. That was Obama’s cynical reason for picking him as VP.

    Will he have his facts in order? Will he know his policy cold? No, he won’t, but he “speaks from the heart,” which is what people say when they want to compliment someone who’s kind of dimwitted and out of it.

    Biden’s strength is this: “Often in error, seldom in doubt.” He will make sweepingly stupid statements, and he will offer them with complete conviction, because he’s stupid enough to believe what he’s saying.

    Meanwhile, Paul Ryan is an extremely smart guy, and is, how would we put this in terms Biden would understand?, burdened by knowledge and expertise.

    Some of the people who voted for Obama last time might feel a bit of resentment at this obviously highly intelligent young whelp beating up on a confused old man who means well and “speaks from the heart.”

    6. No Matter Who Wins, The Media Will Claim Biden Won.

    They need Biden to win; thus, it will be so. And because the ratings will be so much lower for this debate — the VP debate tends not to be watched very much, the 2008 aberration aside — most people will learn of the debate via the media, not the report of their own eyes.

    And hence, “Biden wins” is the headline.

    It’s already the headline. It has already been written.

    To actually “win” — and be judged as winning — Ryan will actually have to demolish Biden worse than Romney demolished Obama. An extremely high hurdle, which simply will not happen.

    If Biden wins, then Biden wins.

    If Biden ties, then Biden wins.

    If Biden loses, then Biden wins.

    Only if Biden commits the sort of embarrassing gaffe that becomes a viral sensation can Ryan possibly win– and then in that case, he “edges” Biden, only because of this one little problem, which by the way is no big deal.

    So, overall: Chillax. We’re not going to “destroy” Biden. We’re looking for a win, which then becomes a “tie with little impact on the race” in the media’s telling.

    And it will be an uphill battle to get that much.

    Format: The basics:

    Unlike last week, Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan will be seated, next to each other and at the same table as Raddatz….
    Another difference will be format. Tonight’s debate will be roughly evenly split between foreign and domestic topics. Last week’s debate was domestic only; there will be a with a town-hall format and a foreign-policy debate to follow over the next two weeks.

    And while Jim Lehrer moderated a debate broken into six 15-minute segments, Raddatz’s debate will be broken into nine 10-minute segments.

    At the beginning of each segment, Raddatz will ask the same question to both Biden and Ryan. Each will have two minutes to respond, uninterrupted, with lights giving time signals to both men.

    Raddatz will then use the balance of the time in each segment to facilitate a discussion between Biden and Ryan. There will be no opening statements, though both will be given on minute and 30 seconds for closing statements.

  25. Unbelievable! They “coincidentally” omit one state from this week’s unemployment claims. WHAT A JOKE! Jack Welch is completely vindicated.

    This is all manipulation! From Ace of Spades:

    “Here’s a roundup of the morning’s headlines on the jobless claim figures released by BLS today.

    CNN: Jobless claims fall to four-year low

    CBS: Jobless claims fall to lowest level since ’08

    Reuters: Jobless claims fall to lowest in four and a half years

    Bloomberg: Jobless Claims in U.S. Fall to Four-Year Low

    Chicago Tribune: New jobless claims plunge to 4 1/2-year low

    And on, and on. Break out the bubbly and the top hats and tails; happy days are here again.

    Oh, wait! Those rightwing nutjobs at Faux News noticed something in the details of the report that makes the gold in them thar hills look a little more like iron pyrite.

    STRANGE: Jobless Claims Sank to 339,000 in Latest Week, Though Data Didn’t Include One Large State

    Well now. A large drop when comparing apples and oranges is pretty meaningless, isn’t it? So where were all those other guys in noting that the data is bad and the real change from prior … oh, right.

    I’d bet everything I own and then some that those headlines would’ve been markedly different if, say, a Republican was in the White House.

    And anybody notice a missing word up there? What the hell happened to “unexpectedly”? This was so huge a change from the expectations of a 2,000 claim drop that you’d think they’d be blaring this in all the headl … what? that doesn’t help the President? … oh, right.”

  26. http://youtube/1fiBTcywM3M

    From ACE

    Brutal: Obama Campaign Press Secretary Ben LaBolt Has Disastrous Radio Interview; Hangs Up

    The good news: this happened in Ohio. Oh, I meant the good news for us. Sorry there, Ben.

    These Obama flunkies are still all over the map on their Libya stories. Compare this with what Stephanie Cutter has said today about “waiting for the facts”.

    Consistent storylines: How do they work?

  27. You chickens who don’t watch are going to miss out. 🙂 Fingers crossed for Ryan.

    Update: How many viewers will be watching tonight? It’s Vice Presidential Debate Night Follies.

    Will this be bigger than the thrilla in Manilla? Will Robin leave Batman for Paul Ryan? Will Ryan, not Sinatra, henceforth be known as “ole blue eyes”? Will Biden have the gaffes punched out of him by Ryan’s pythons???? Everyone is having an open thread: The VP debate party tonight. Tune in tonight. The whole world is watching? With bated breath we will watch and hope Paul Ryan takes our advice (below) and reminds everyone of “nobody messes with Joe.”


  28. LOL. One cowardly chicken reporting in to read what you courageous bloggers type for us cowardly chickens. HA HA.

    Good luck Mr. Paul Ryan. Go Romney/Ryan. Thank you again for all those watching and reporting on it.

  29. Thanks admin and trixta
    Still try to read here everyday but often cannot read comments as I get some script error
    Have to watch online as I am working at my bar and the Steelers are playing

  30. right visuals check…………………

    Ryan looks young, fresh and sexy….

    Biden looks like the cryptkeeper. Boody hell thats bad make up.

  31. Ol’ blue eyes is back. He has a red stripped tie on. First question is Benghazi and there is a reminder that this happened on September 11.

  32. A few notes on Twitter!

    Axelrod’s grease seen all over Biden’s suit.

    How many times does Biden wink at the moderator and offer a shoulder rub?
    by Derik 7:59 PM

    This just in: Ryan has given Biden a handicap. Ryan will only be allowed to answer in American Sign Language, which he does not know.

    Will Joe be wearing a shock collar?

  33. To win, Ryan needs a good offense and a good defense. One offense, he should have three good lines of attack against Joe, and three good lines of attach against Obaman. Two of those lines of attack should highlight domestic failures (like the stimulus), and one should highight foreign policy failings. On defense, Ryan must be prepared to defend his own policies/statements, and those of Romney. Ted Olson, arguably the best appellate lawyer in the country is coaching Ryan. Van Hollen, known to be a race baiter, is coaching Biden.

  34. Yikes. What did Biden do to his face? I had to do a quick look to see how the 2 men looked. Ryan, very genuine, very fresh, very optimistic. Biden, yikes, what happened to his face? he looks so different, and not in a good way.

  35. Biden forgot he was against killing Bin Laden operation. Tries to distract with blame Romney for not giving firm deadlines in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Ryan hitting on not enough security in Benghazi. Says we should not project weakness abroad. Unraveling of Obama foreign policy. Biden is laughing.

  36. ok, just watched Biden laugh over this Benghazi attack questioning. He thinks its funny that 4 of our people were killed?!? Is Biden drunk?

  37. Raddatz asks if Romney spoke too soon on Libya. Ryan says that we are projecting weakness. Biden interrupts calls it all “marlarky”. Says he does not understand talk about “weakness”. Says the world now respects U.S. “These guys bet against America all the time” says Biden.

    Raddatz not having it. Asks “what did you know”. Biden says there is an investigation. Biden says we did not know they wanted more security.

    Biden seems to be burying himself on this. Biden says we usually get together but Romney was not presidential.

  38. that’s it, cannot watch anymore. The drunk punk is interrupting like nothing I have ever seen. What a drunk punk.

  39. Should U.S. apologize for burning Qurans and pissed on corpses? Ryan says yes to the corpse pissing but we should stand up for our values. Reminds that it was September 11. We should not apologize for speaking out on our values.

  40. Biden with his smirk and grin when Ryan talks reminds me of how Al Gore sighed. Biden seems arrogant.

    Ryan is not hitting hard enough.

  41. Qstn: Biden off topic fast…says R’s comments are “malarky”…

    Ryan: Talks about video and growing problem with current administration and not apologizing for “our values”….

  42. Iran. Ryan: no cukes for Iran. Iran racing for nukes. Iran getting closer. Biden is acting all smug and smiling to himself. Didn’t Biden read about cameras and how Obama reacted? Biden is screwing up.

  43. Pm317, What is Biden doing???? He’s laughing. It’s supposed to be avuncular laughing at the little kid but it is coming off as “I’m a smug idiot.”

  44. Judging by twitter comments so far, Biden is crap and his smirk, laughing is not going over well at all.

  45. Biden sounding like the propaganda minister for Iran. Says Iran not close to nukes.

    Ryan “Let’s take this from the point of view of the ayatollahs.” They see Israel snubbed. Biden still tolerantly smiling.

  46. Yikes!

    Biden is scary. He’s hysterical. He’s shouting. He’s rambling and now he says let’s everyone calm down when he’s the one who is cracking.

    His responses are juvenile and bar room drunk style. He is too theatrical and DRUNK!

  47. Biden says we all should calm down about Iran’s nuclear capabilities because they “don’t have a weapon”.


  48. ok, I had to see the laughing. oh my goodness, it reminds me of the loud sigh that idiot Al Gore gave in the debate against Bush. And the way Gore walked up in the personal space of Bush in that debate.

    Wonder who gave that stellar advice to Biden to laugh like an utter clueless arrogant moron. Those families of those just recently slain in Benghazi, what must they be feeling that the VP is laughing off the seriousness of those murders!

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    14s Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan needs to answer no weapon to put it into. Ryan needs to do more than that they are closer to a bomb
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    1m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan is effective on Iran. But he is not elaborating how to change their minds. Biden doing a very good job.
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    4m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Biden looks weak on Iran. nobody believes that they are not close to a weapon.
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    5m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan is right on sanctions. Now he is doing well. watered down sanctions is right. Biden looks stupid laughing and smiling
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    7m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan shouldn’t let her inerrupt him. Did not fully answer Biden. Ryan not aggressive enough
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    8m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan is letting him dominate time on clock.Isn’t he going to answer???? Now he’s finally hitting it. He needs to call a coverup
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    10m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan needs to interrupt and quote the state department that it was never anything but a terror attack. Ryan should open his mouth
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    10m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Ryan should have insisted on answering Biden and not let her pick it up
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    11m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Biden very effective. Not true but he’s doing well. He just can’t speak English
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    12m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debates Biden nicely aggressoive. Ryan good but not great.
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    13m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debate Ryan’s answer on Iraq wasn’t good.
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    #debate call it a terrorist attack great. Biden has new teeth, new hair, and a face lift. Needs a new brain
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    #debate bin Laden quote out of context totally. Romney said he’d not move heaven and earth to get bin laden and leave everyone else alone
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    #debate We have lost all influence over Iraq because we pulled all our troops out. Don’t set a deadline to pull out. Helps your enemy
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    16m Dick Morris ‏@DickMorrisTweet
    #debate No intelligence failure it was a coverup by the Administration when they pretended that it was a spontaenous demonstration.

  50. Biden is making a mistake laughing in his split screen. Most people see this as flippant and out if place – not having his intended effect

  51. Biden interrupts Ryan. Biden says the ayatollahs are scared. He says Bibi is his friend. Says Obama talks to him all the time. “This is a bunch of stuff.” Ryan jokes.

    Raddatz finally has enough and tells Biden “You’re acting as if they don’t want one [nukes].” “What about Bob Gates’ statement?”

    Ryan: “This undermines our credibility.” Talks about the Green Revolution in Iran.

    Biden laughs. Biden is losing this debate because of his demeanor. Biden is doing well with his distortions but he is so smug and stupid acting he is blowing it all away. Ryan is acting appropriately. We wish Ryan would punch Biden out but his demeanor is the more winning way.

  52. Economy: JOBS and “getting unemployment under 6%.”

    Biden brings up the 47%…these people pay more tax than Romney. “I’ve had it up to hear about this 47%…”

  53. As just one independent voter, from the few minutes I watched, Biden’s behavior is so disgusting, I’m not even listening to whatever crap is coming out of his mouth.
    How this will convince independents to come his side, I have no clue. This is only digging the hole deeper for OTurd and his minions, in my humble opinion.

  54. Biden is like a hungry greasy used car salesman trying desperately to get the sale.

    What a turn off. He sounds confrontational, aggressive, and has a nasty tone in his voice. Very ugly.

    I’ve had it up to here with the 47% . . .

    Why doesn’t Ryan interrupt since Radditz won’t give him a chance to reply.

    Now Ryan is trying to speak and Biteme interrupts and shows complete disrespect to Ryan.

  55. Moving on to economy. Biden butted in and is fillibustering, leveling the full arsenal: taxes, 47%, Grover Norquest, etc. Ugly, angry butting-in Biden just showed up who said, “UNCHAIN Wall Street… They’re gwine put y’all BACK in chains!”

  56. moononpluto
    October 11th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    Biden looks like he feels its beneath him to be there.

    It’s happy hour somewhere in the world

  57. Unemployment, how long to 6%?

    Biden jumps in and says how bad things were and how much has been done. Ryan looks at Biden and waits his turn. Biden brings up 47% and gives an emotional attack in defense of the 47%. Mentions Grover Norquist whom most Americans don’t know. Biden attacks tax cuts for “super wealthy”.

    Ryan says unemployment in Scranton is 10% was 7%. Biden interrupts. Ryan: We’re going in the wrong direction. This is Ryan’s strongest exchange with Biden and surprisingly it is on Biden’s supposed turf. “This is not what a recovery looks like”. “Get America energy independent”. “Champion small business.” Biden openly laughing. Stop it Joe, you’re killing yourself you idiot.

    Ryan telling nice stories about Mitt giving his time and money to those in need. Ryan hits Biden on gaffes. Ryan is hitting his stride in a big way.

  58. 6:01PM Here we go…

    6:02PM Martha Raddatz should fully disclose what the Obama’s bought her as a wedding gift.

    6:03PM “I would like to begin with Libya.”


    6:04PM Oh, BS! “Wasn’t this a massive intelligence failure, Mr. Biden?”

    NO! Raddatz opened the whole damn debate by swallowing the State Department line. There was no intelligence failure. They knew. They failed to act.

    Damn you, Martha Raddatz, and that lovely gravy boat the Obamas gave you 22 years ago.

    6:05PM This is gonna be a long night.

    6:06PM Ryan need to hit Raddatz, Gingrich style. Instead he’s hitting Biden. He’s OK, but he missed the narrative. “OK” won’t cut it with Raddatz and her fat thumb on the scale.

    6:07PM Ryan, why are you talking about Iraq?

    6:08PM “It’s never too early to speak out for our values.”

    Biden flashes that smile of his, which is nearly as genuine as his hairline.

    6:09PM “With all due respect that’s a bunch of malarky.”

    Biden, interrupting, and the king of malarky.

    6:09PM “I don’t understand what my friend’s talking about.”

    This is Biden’s secret sauce, and it makes me thankful this is only the Veep debate.

    6:11PM “We weren’t told they wanted more security” in Benghazi.

    Joe Biden, stomping over four American corpses.

    6:11PM Ryan is going to let that stand?

    6:12PM Koran burning? Thank you, Martha Raddatz, for bringing this debate into 2005.

    6:12PM “There were requests for extra security, those requests were not followed.”

    6:13PM Thank you, Martha, for interrupting Ryan during his answer. I bet that’s worth a silver setting right there.

    6:14PM Ryan is better on Iran, but when he mentions Russian obstruction, he ought to mention the Reset button.

    6:15PM Ryan is bringing his inner wonk. That’s a strength against Biden’s ability to smoothly deliver the worst bromides.


    Or something. War?

    6:16PM Biden just name-dropped his security clearance: TOP WAZZZZZUP.

    6:17PM Ryan needs to hit Biden on his insider-y-ness.

    6:17PM Biden’s smile is getting creepy.

    6:19PM After a shaky start by Ryan, I’m wondering if Joe might be losing some cool.

    6:19PM Biden says Iran sees the world as “totally united” against them. Totally, literally. Except for Russia and China and sometimes India and big parts of Iraq.

    6:20PM Iran is “totally isolated.”


    6:21PM What’s the difference between “four years closer to a nuclear weapon” and “four years closer to fissile material?”

    6:22PM Something just clicked in Biden’s head. It was something from debate camp where they told him to “stop smiling like an asshole.”

    6:22PM “We can’t live with that.” – Ryan, regarding a nuclear Iran.

    6:23PM Biden is defending the sanctions. You know the ones no one is against and the ones everyone knows won’t work.

    6:23PM Unemployment fell below 8 percent for the first time in four years? Joe Biden, you didn’t build that.

  59. She says she does not like the aggressive interruptions, I agree with her, it is extremely off-putting. I don’t think women will like this, this constant interruptions. And that creepy smirk from the drunk punk.

  60. Martha just cut off the fillibiden to cite some facts and broken O promises.
    RYAN IS GOING THERE! Biden oversaw stimulus….

  61. Biden is looking like an absolute dick, this does not look well on tv.

    Ryan hitting hard on china, jobs.

  62. Biden doing his emotional schtick. Now bringing up Ryan’s voting record.

    Ryan, “Let’s not forget they came in with one party control.” They passed the stimulus.”

    Ryan says our goal is economic and job growth.

    Biden interrupts. Says not cronyism. Says Ryan asked for stimulus money.

    Ryan says he applied for grants for his constituents.

    Biden hits back saying Ryan asked for money and praised the stimulus. Says no cronyism.

    Ryan asks if it was a good idea to build cars in Finland and China?

    Biden: it stopped us from going over the cliff.

    Ryan: where are the 5 million green jobs?

  63. Ryan looks very serious, friendly, knowledgable with a light touch. Biden cheap shot about Ryan doing his job as a congressman, supporting two grant applications from WI.

  64. Medicare. Have to change?

    Ryan brings up his grandmother story. “We will honor this promise.” Wants to reform it for “my generation.” Attacks Obamacare taking $716 billion from Medicare. Attacks the board and declares it will continue to cut money from Medicare. Says Romney will save Social Security. Ryan getting wonky but in a good way.

  65. Ryan needs to not let the moderator interrupt him. She is obviously in the tank and Joe is on a dry drunk to say the least.

    I guess the prep was to be aggressive as Big Bird was so passive.

  66. Ryan is not smooth. His words are choppy. He appears to be very nervous.

    Calm down Paul. Stop drinking so much water. The audience can hear you swallowing.


  67. Biden laughing and saying he heard about the death panels from Palin. Says AARP supports Obamacare (didn’t AARP ask them not to do that?). Attacks voucher program. Biden getting wonky now.

    Biden attaching Romney past proposals. Ryan says they got “caught with their hands in the cookie jar” taking $716 billion out of Medicare. Ryan gets serious and tells Biden not to interrupt. Biden gets testy.

  68. Bwa-ha-ha

    I know you’re under duress but I think it would be better if we don’t interrupt each other.

    Biden ignores him.

    Biteme comes across as patronizing, boorish – a real Archie Bunker type.

    What a turn off.

  69. I am keeping away from Morris, because he is going to pieces. The below live blog is better:

    that, and got the first laugh of the night.

    6:29PM Biden trumped with the Dead Wife Card.

    6:30PM For. The. Last. Time. GM DID GO BANKRUPT. That’s what Chapter 11 is. Even a phony-baloney, screw the bondholders, enrich the UAW Chapter 11 like Obama put GM through.

    GM. Did. Go. Bankrupt.

    6:31PM “Look at where we are right now.”

    Hammer that line home, Ryan.

    6:32PM “The Vice President was in charge of overseeing” the stimulus.

    6:32PM “I love my friend here.”

    Again, that’s Biden’s strong suit. He’s done this for 40 years. and he’s damn good at it.

    6:34PM “Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer money on electric cars in Finland?”

    YES! Um… yes?

    6:35PM I’m waiting for Biden’s Lloyd Benson moment, because one of those would go a long way towards reversing Romney’s post-debate momentum.

    That’s what Biden needs to do for win. Ryan just needs to be competent

  70. As much as people don’t like the drunk, they think Ryan is losing the debate because he is not aggressive enough on other blogs

  71. Raise eligibility age? Biden says no to vouchers in any way.

    Ryan quotes Obama on stale ideas and attacking opponents. Biden continues to interrupt. We’re barely able to listen to Ryan (is that the aim of Biden) because of Biden’s antics. Whatever the value of what Biden is saying is lost because he is so obnoxious. Biden asks “Who do you trust?” Our answer: Obama cannot be trusted.

  72. “As much as people don’t like the drunk, they think Ryan is losing the debate because he is not aggressive enough on other blogs”

    well, rudeness is a big turnoff, and the interruptions aren’t even so that Biden can make a salient point, he’s interrupting Ryan to smirk and then laugh. Very creepy. It doesn’t come off as aggressive, but instead very very annoying and jerk-like. Its like in a movie, when someone is talking while the movie is on, very annoying, extremely annoying to the point of loathing that person for the interruptions they are causing.

  73. Ryan doing a solid job staying composed. Biden’s trying to piss him off and is pissed off himself. twitter

  74. Taxes. Biden starts first answer again. Says they are holding middle class tax cuts hostage.

    Ryan defends small business and warns of hurt of tax rises.

  75. admin
    October 11th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    Biden now cackling like a hen. We expect an egg any moment now.
    A marriage made in heaven, Big Bird and Mr Snuff.

  76. We turned over to CNN to watch their viewer reaction line a bit. It looks like everyone is disgusted with the debate. We suspect it is anger at Biden and his rudeness. Thus far Biden has spoken one minute longer.

  77. This isn’t a good, aggressive charming Joey. This is a scary, off-kilter, annoying slightly unhinged Vice President Biden.

  78. Biteme reminds me of my always drink on beer older brother who becomes increasingly louder and more obnoxious as the day goes on and whom we tolerate because he’s family.

    Biteme ain’t’family. Thank God. He reminds of a drunk dirty old man.

  79. This isn’t a debate, Biden is just interrupting to not allow Ryan to talk. In a real debate, interruptions are fine if one side does to to counter some point made by the opposing side. Biden is only interrupting to not allow Ryan to talk. This isn’t a real debate, its just filibustering by an arrogant unhinged drunk punk.

    And MR, what a pathetic showing by this lady. She’s getting bullied by Biden too, and she’s too much of a coward to say anything.

  80. Afghanistan. Ryan praises the troops. Agrees with timeline for getting out but does not want to lose “gains”. Biden still laughing. Ryan says we want to have a successful transition.

    Biden says he’s been there more than 20 times. Says Bin Laden is dead and Al Quaeda decimated. Biden says it is the responsibility of the Afghans. “We are leaving.” Biden’s strongest response this debate.

    Ryan talks about a good friend from Janesville who serves in Afghanistan. Give the commanders what they need to make it successful. Unraveling of Obama foreign policy. “Troubles growing abroad, no jobs at home.” How best to complete the timeline. Biden continues to interrupt.

  81. If something happened to a US president, which one of these men would you want to take over? People watching this debate have to be asking themselves this question…

  82. This interruptions nonsense, if AxelHole thought it up, people like smartness, aggressiveness but respectful at the same time, it is none of these things, this is outright bullying in many instances, and bullying not to make some counter point, its bullying to shut up the other side. Absolutely disgusting.

  83. Oh Jeezus! Now he’s lecturing! Before the surge Occurred. (he likes how that sounds so he repeats it several times – always louder.) His voice is ratcheting up again. He’s got that mean sound in his voice.

    “Let me illustrate this here because it can all get a little confusing’ – Go RYAN!

  84. Now Biden is yelling at moderator about the surge, but didn’t answer the qstn: What is the military (rather that the political) reason for the withdrawal?

    Biden’s animated hand is menacing… he seems so angry.

  85. Now Biden is yelling at moderator about the surge, but didn’t answer the qstn: What is the military (rather that the political) reason for the withdrawal?

    Biden’s animated hand is menacing… he seems so angry.

  86. MR, what was the military reason for bringing the surge troops home, if not political?

    Biden says it was not political. MR says that troops were concerned that it was a political motive for pulling out. Biden response is the Joint Chiefs agreed to the pull out.

    Ryan explains the fighting seasons in Afghanistan. Ryan invokes Admiral Mullen and General Petraeus.

    Biden says the pulled out troops were replaced by Afghan troops.

    Ryan: “the calendar works the same every year.”

  87. Biden is the drunk at the bar; Martha is the unhappy bartender, and Ryan is the unfortunate salesman caught in the middle.”

  88. I’m listening in the other room, not watching, is Biden on drugs? he sounds positively unhinged and very angry. And seems to be constantly lecturing MR, who seems fine with it. I imagine the rest of the world who is watching is probably stunned at the idiot who is the VP of the USA.

  89. 6:37PM Ryan is so good on Medicare, he explains why Romney is up with seniors, all on his own.

    6:37PM To paraphrase Kevin Smith, AARP is gonna sue somebody.

    6:38PM “Follow your instincts.”

    That’s kinda the whole Dem appeal, isn’t it?

    6:39PM “Mr Vice President, I know you’r under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground… ”

    Thank you, Paul Ryan.

    6:41PM Biden’s new Secret Service codename: Interruptus.

    6:41PM Biden’s new Secret Service codename: Interruptus.

    6:41PM Biden: “I was there… in 1983.”

    Operational error there.

    6:42PM Biden’s inner long-term Senator is coming out. That’s not a good thing.

    6:43PM Ryan is quoting numbers. Biden is begging Raddatz for an out. You make the call.

    Math is hard.

    6:45PM Biden on taxes: The rich will pay “slightly” more.

    He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

    6:46PM “Let’s have a vote.”

    There’s one coming on November 6, Mr. Biden. Perhaps you’ve heard of it.

    6:48PM “There aren’t enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending.”

    Line of the night.

    6:49PM Biden has that look on his face, like he’s trying to remember the third or maybe fourth digit of pi.

    6:50PM When Biden is in his comfort zone, he’s every bit as good as I remember him. When he’s not? He’s a jackass with a jack-o-lantern smile.

    6:53PM “Now you’re Jack Kennedy!”

    Joe Biden? I knew Lloyd Benson. Lloyd Benson was a friend of mine. And, you Mr. Vice President, are no Lloyd Benson.

    6:54PM Oh. Now it’s $800,000,000,000 that the rich need to pay. Pick a numer, Joey, and stick to it.

    6:56PM It’s really getting testy now.

    6:57PM Um… Mr Biden? Who is calling to resume M1 tank production? Straw man much?

    6:57PM Um… Mr Biden? Who is calling to resume M1 tank production? Straw man much?

    6:57PM Um… Mr Biden? Who is calling to resume M1 tank production? Straw man much?

    6:58PM Raddatz: “We’ve degraded al Qaeda.” Tell that to the Benghazi consulate, unless you’re really angling for those sterling silver candlesticks.

    7:00PM Biden is making an excellent case for pulling out of Afghanistan, and a crappy case for the surge never should have authorized.

    7:01PM Ryan telling the story of one of his best friends fighting in Afghanistan. It’s a good story. It’s a good argument. But nobody can explain why we’re still there.

    7:03PM Getting testy again, Joe. He’s trying to run roughshod like he did against Palin, but Ryan is just too reality-based to make it work.

    7:04PM Huh. Timelines are how you make the enemy fear you. Who knew?

    7:05PM It’s hard to gauge just how well Ryan is doing, because this isn’t a Sherman’s March like Romney enjoyed last week. But there is not one person watching Biden tonight and getting all excited about four more years of this guy.

  90. My prediction, the lefties in the MSM and everywhere else will call it Biden’s. Apparently they will think bullying is a win. However, most independents will not appreciate not being able to hear both sides because one side tried to silence the other side with the moderator in the tank for the drunk punk, and that creepy smirk is extremely off-putting.

  91. Biden just sounds like angry old man.

    slimy & creepy as well. Someone above said a greasy car saleman, that is a pretty accurate description.

  92. moononpluto
    October 11th, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Biden is the drunk at the bar; Martha is the unhappy bartender, and Ryan is the unfortunate salesman caught in the middle.”


  93. Cringe inducing. Biden’s smirking, grinning, leering, patronizing, faux superiority DOESN’T PLAY on the Hot Medium of television. It’s absolutely rash producing. NO record to run on..? Disrespect the young whippersnapper. It ain’t playing, Pluggsy!!

    Ryan is coming off as Very Smart and the ONLY Adult at the table. GOOOOOOOOOD Stuff. Whoever that grotesque blonde is, she’s simply looking like a clown for the Dems. You GO, Girly! It’s coming off–on this HOT Medium–as two embarrassing idiots against ONE FULL ADULT.


  94. Radditz asked about RELIGION! Why is Ryan talking about abortion???????????????????

    He stepped in it when he didn’t need to.

  95. I used to respect MR, not after this nonsense. Instead of actual moderating the debate, she looked like a reporter, her actual job, asking the drunk what do you think, then going to Ryan, well the drunk said this, what do you think, and then the drunk interrupts, and she doesn’t tell him to stay silent so people can hear the opposing view.

    This really wasn’t a debate. And Job Biden, I used to respect this man at one point, what an embarrassment to this country that this is the VP.

  96. I have not respect for Martha Raddiz…she’s an OBOT! I don’t know if she has a cold or what but her voice sounds like a witch at times.

  97. Morris is a basket case. The wild swings in his personality turn me off. One minute he is anxious to go to war. Once in, he flees from the sight of it. Sticking with Instapudit Steven Green:

    7:07PM Joe Biden: One Afghan soldier = One US Marine.

    I beg to differ.

    7:08PM “Afghans to do the job, Afghans to do the job.”

    Just annoying as all hell.

    7:10PM For the record, I was against our lead-from-the-ass Libya semi-intervention. That said, there is a better (but still not good) argument for a Syria intervention. It’s just not possible to argue against the latter while being for the former. I’m against either, but Obama-Biden is, as always, bass-ackwards.

    7:11PM Nice turn to our Russia “reset” by Ryan.

    7:13PM My best guess is, Biden is trying to play the grownup. I don’t think it’s working.

    7:14PM “We should not have waited for Russia to give us the green light.”

    Pshaw, such Cold War era thinking, Mr. Ryan. We’re all one big happy reset global family now.

    7:15PM Question: Just how Catholic are you, re: Abortion.

    7:16PM I’m moderately pro-choice. And let me tell you, I have never heard anyone put the pro-life case better than Paul Ryan is doing right now.

    7:17PM That giant sucking sound you hear is millions of Reagan (Catholic) Democrats sighing with relief

  98. Its meh, this debate wont change a thing, nothing, people still gonna vote for who they will. Nothing to change.

  99. I wonder if Biden thought “open minded” meant “sucking ones brains out through a straw after downing 1/5th of Grey Goose?

  100. HA! Biden just said something was an Obamanation…bad choice of words.

    Joe is whispering now and coming down off whatever and sniffing.

  101. “HA! Biden just said something was an Obamanation…bad choice of words.”

    ? what did he say. Sorry, the tv is now off, couldn’t stand the yelling.

  102. Ryan delivers a hit-it-out-of-the-[park finale! THAT was supposed to be the last word but Noooooooo. Martha gives Joe the last word when he was not entitled to it.

    Oh, wait – not the closing statement. And now Ryan interrupts Joe.

  103. Why does Raddiz keep going to Ryan FIRST to answer one of her questions like they did in 2008 to Hillary.

    Repeat…I have NO, absolutely NO respect for OBOT Martha.

  104. I think most people not of the “corn”, will see that Ryan has thoroughly established himself as a credible Veep. Biden made himself a frightening presence a heartbeat from the presidency.

  105. Biden is doing his little whisper voice again…AH! Are we supposed to feel warm and fuzzy about him now after all his rude yelling and interupting.

  106. Biden forgot to thank Ryan. I noticed. Ryan noticed, too, made a big point of thanking Biden. Feeding the “Biden’s a jerk” storyline.

  107. “The POS had his chance. He made his choices. It’s not working. The choice is clear. A stagnant economy or a dynamic country which will create job.

    We will not whine we will take responsibility. We ask you for your vote.”


  108. Fox says, “Radditz interrupted Ryan much more”.

    Also, Biden’s smiling came off creepy.

    Biden’s interruptions was a major put-off, from where I was sitting (w/ whiskey in hand).

  109. HA poster mapper has this – reaction from left bloggers. Very interesting.

    TIME’s Michael Scherer: “Not sure debate cameras have been light tested for Biden’s teeth. Best to watch with sunglasses.”

    NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.”

    BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith: “So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???”

    ABC’s Rick Klein: “Biden on verge of breaking down in laughter when Ryan talks.”

    Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling”

    PBS’ Jeff Greenfield: “Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.”

    The New York Times’ Ashley Parker: “Biden’s grin is Chesire Cat caliber.”

    Movie critic Roger Ebert: “Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!”

    Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin: “Biden’s laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious”

    Comedy Central’s Indecision: “If this keeps up much longer, Joe Biden’s going to sprain his laugh muscles.”

  110. Bret Breir said that Biden must have been happy since he grinned and smiled through Ryan’s comments. He wondered how that would have played at home.

    Well at this home, Biden came off as arrogant, know it all, drunk, condesending, rude and the kind of old uncle at a holdiay gathering that you hope will either drink MORE and pass out of “forget” to show up next year.

  111. He doesn’t think it was likeable. It was condescending. That’s Joe Trippi. Biden was smirking even during Ryan’s closing statement when he thanked him. Of course this is from Fox.

    At least we know we’re not nuts. The other blogs I checked reacted pretty much the same way we did.

  112. Chuck Todd: Fired up Joe Biden… He controlled the debate… at times a little too amped up…took too many Red Bulls…kept Ryan on defensive but Ryan kept his cool…Ryan passed Presidential Test

    Looks like they, except for nutcase Tingles and Madcow, think it was a draw. I think Indies will be put off by the alcoholic myself.

  113. Jesus NBC called the debate for Ryan.

    [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%

  114. Key statistic of the debate: Joe Biden interrupted Paul Ryan 96 times. Paul Ryan interrupted Joe Biden 6 times.

  115. McNorman, please repost your statistic comment in the new thread. It’s very important that Biden’s interruptions were counted. This was a significant failure by Biden.

  116. oh brother…if the voters can’t see thru this…then god help us…

    Biden is ready for retirement (and he was so rude)…and Ryan is so prepared and authentic…

    this thing is so obvious…i am surprised Martha was as biased as she exposed herself to so obviously be…

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