Savage Friday Among The Flowers Of Evil

We went hunting for good news today, but came up empty. It was a gloriously beautiful day weather-wise so when we began the hunt we thought we would return with a news basketful of flowers – but weeds prevailed and the few roses found have thorns bigger than the petals.

Our tiptoe for tulips began with a bump to the toe that almost tore our legs off:

“The president exudes an air of likability and friendliness, which is endearing,” Romney told ABC News. “But at the same time, I think people recognize that he has not done the job they expected him to do and that he promised he would do.”

Now we have heard of “damning with faint praise” as a smart tactic, but to us this sounds more like faint praise damning Romney. We loathe and despise taking precious insults away from our Obama stock to use on Romney but really….. How stupid is Romney to say such things?

Has Romney read this?:

“Liberal super PAC: Calling Republicans racist more effective than criticizing policy

According to an audio recording obtained by The Daily Caller, Matthew “Mudcat” Arnold, the national campaign manager of the liberal CREDO super PAC, told a gathering of supporters in Aurora, Colo., on Sept. 8 that they’ve realized “policy did not move voters.”

He used Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King as an example.

“When we said that Steve King … is pro-life and believes in cutting Social Security and voted for the Ryan budget, no one cared,” Arnold said. “When we said Steve King’s a racist, Steve King believes that immigrants ought to be put in electric fences, people moved.”

When you talk about the substance of a man’s character, people respond,” Arnold continued.”

Um, Mitt, do you really think saying nice things about Barack Obama while he has his henchmen call you a felon and murderer is a smart thing to do? Um, character matters and exposing a Nightmare Alley creep is usually a public service and wise to do in a political campaign, we’ve heard. Will saying Big Media is doing a marvelous job in being objective and above board be the next pearl of wisdom to drop out of your mouth?

Perhaps there will be praise from Mitt for this this piece of news which is only now, after the stock market has closed, breaking: Foreign Policy President is also President Downgrade. America and its finances continue to be downgraded.

Well, we did not want our search for lovelies to be buried by such unpleasantness so we moseyed on over to a lush patch filled with herbs to aromatically refresh ourselves. Some bright green peppermint tickled our noses:

“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 45% of the vote.”

Unfortunately, there were some dried leaves that ruined the moment:

“In Ohio Obama leads by a point. In Florida, the president is up two. Romney has edged back into the lead in Missouri and now earns 51% of the vote in North Carolina.”

Soon the wafting stench from some rotting oregano chased us from our reverie:

“President Obama holds a narrow three-point advantage over Mitt Romney among Americans most likely to vote in November, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

With their back-to-back political conventions behind them and the general election season fully engaged, the poll found Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney running essentially even among those seen as the most probable to vote. The president has 49 percent and Mr. Romney has 46 percent, a difference within the margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points on each candidate.”

Oh dear, how unpleasant! With a frown on our faces but determined to find beauty this fine Friday, we turned to the mystical and religious. Surely some devotionals would sooth our troubled breasts. “What greater enlightenment in these days of division”, we thought, “than an ecumenical feast?” We sought refuge amidst the great religions:

“Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.”

Such wisdom, albeit garish and offensive, from a self described “satirical” magazine shook us to the core. We noted that the ecumenical cartoon lacked one group of adherents who coincidentally gather on Friday’s to perform religious devotions and prayers together in peace. “What were they up to today?” we innocently wondered.

Our wonderment was drowned in a bloodbath of ugly news. Censorship, burnings, international horror, met our innocent eyes.

The sheer stupidity, if not complicity, of the past few years emerging internationally with explosions gave us some hope that the red fields of Hopium would be abandoned as the evident treachery and boobery was stripped naked:

Obama’s Middle East Policy Is in Ruins’

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said he was “deeply concerned” about the attacks on US embassies. He called on the countries in question to protect foreign missions. “Diplomats have to be able to do their work without fear,” he said.

Westerwelle said he could understand the outrage that many Muslims felt about the anti-Islam film. “But this outrage cannot justify violence.” [snip]

On Friday, German commentators analyze the violence and its implications for US foreign policy.

The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:

“The murder of an ambassador in Libya and the attacks on US diplomatic missions in other Arab countries is sure to strengthen the skepticism that more than a few Americans feel toward Muslims and the political changes brought by the Arab revolutions. The deeply held American belief that all you have to do is liberate people from serfdom and dictatorship, and then democracy and a market economy will develop more or less on their own, burned to ash in the trial by fire of Iraq. [snip]

The left-leaning Berliner Zeitung writes:

“The attacks on US embassies and consulates in the Arab world can not be justified in any way. If it turns out that al-Qaida is behind the attacks, as some US officials suspect, then they are acts of terrorism committed under the guise of religion. [snip] But that clearly does not help US President Barack Obama very much. He has to bear the political consequences of the recent events by himself.”

“Four years ago, Obama pledged to seek reconciliation with the Muslim world. Now, it is doubtful whether he has succeeded. The US and its European allies now have to ask themselves how much support they still enjoy in the countries of the Arab Spring.”

The center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung writes: [snip]

America hardly has influence in the region any longer, and now sees itself confronted with anti-American sentiment in places where it no longer controls the dictators. Meanwhile, forces that simultaneously exploit and spurn America are gaining influence.” [snip]

The conservative Die Welt writes:

“US President Barack Obama’s Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It’s a bitter outcome for Obama.”

Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. [snip] This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali.”

“One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America’s deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check.”

The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:

“It’s lucky for Obama that his opponent Romney is acting in such a hapless manner.”

The financial daily Handelsblatt writes:

“Three years after Obama’s speech in Cairo, which was supposed to initiate a new beginning in the Middle East, the United States now has even less support in the region than before.”

The mass-circulation daily Bild writes:

“Naked hatred is raging against a country that many people in the world regard as a symbol of freedom. When US flags burn, embassies are vandalized, and diplomats are murdered, it is an attack on the West, and not just America!”

“We rooted for the demonstrators at Tahrir Square, and many of us have longed to see democracy in the Arab nations. But democracy includes honoring the lives of fellow humans.”

“The turmoil in Libya, Cairo, and Bangladesh is a return to the Middle Ages, when people were beheaded and stoned to death. No pathetic anti-Islam film can justify hate-filled murder.”

The West must be tough on terrorism. And it must show that it can differentiate between rabble-rousers and peaceful Muslims.”

For a few brief seconds we felt some hope. We were happy to see many recognize that appeasement never works. Now, we thought, Americans would wake up and even Obama Hopium Guzzlers would see that Obama will get us all killed.

In those brief seconds we read about the latest Obama policy of appeasement and offense against free speech. We read the confession from the White House: Yes, we asked YouTube to consider removing that Mohammed movie

Appeasement never works. But for the deluded Obama supporters the bumbling of Obama will be taken as a rallying cry to love Obama greater, bigger. Only a fool, will vote for Obama. But there are a lot of fools walking about these days.

In Hollywood rapist Roman Polanski (a great filmmaker for sure) is defended as not doing “rape-rape”. The vilest misogyny in rap music is defended as righteous free speech which reflects “the culture”. Gay people and women are degraded by Muslim savages but not a word from those who purport to respect the rights of gay people and women. Crucifixes of Christ in urine is defended as a free speech issue. Unpopular atheism is defended. Pornography is exulted as another legitimate viewpoint. No unpopular viewpoint or outright abomination is left undefended but a film that has a controversial viewpoint, one not shared by the Hopium Guzzlers who love Obama, is left undefended.

Yet these people who reside in the hills of Hollywood and the latitudes of Manhattan don’t see the hypocrisy they engage in when they defend Barack Obama or denounce an unpopular film whose message they deplore. Vipers brood! These are unprincipled and extremely stupid people who think they are smart and think they are principled. We wish them all retroactively to the top floors of the World Trade Center circa September 11, 2001 to contemplate on their stupidity.

We went looking today for flowers of beauty to contemplate peacefully on the state of the world. Unfortunately we only found festering lilies and flowers of evil.

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  1. The below ad makes some fine points. But Romney and his allies are wasting money on these crap ads. These ads are snarky and clever. But these ads do not have the sense of urgency and seriousness that is necessary to win.

  2. and it goes on…

    At least two Americans killed in “complex” Taliban attack on Camp Bastion in Southern Afghanistan – U.S. Officials

    someone add that to Barry’s checklist i wrote on the previous comments. That thing is as long as gone with the wind now.

  3. Yup admin, that pretty much sums up my day too. A beautiful day outside, Friday and nothing but doom and gloom in America.

    I can’t even think of an uplifting cartoon nor song to go with the basket of weeds you picked.

    America cries for good news for a change.

  4. Here we go again….

    BREAKING: Wisconsin judge strikes down law used by Gov. Scott Walker to end collective bargaining with state workers

  5. Just great even more….

    Israel media – Channel 2 – just reported that the US-commanded Multi-National Force Observors headquarters in the Sinai is under assault. Salafists laid seige to the building this afternoon and some 50 armed men stormed it. There is fighting going on in the building and there are dead inside. The MFO is the force that was established under the Israel-Egypt peace treaty. It is charged with guaranteeing the demilitarization of the Sinai. The MFO has two bases. I believe that the one under attack is in northern Sinai, built on an old Israeli Air Force base.

  6. SHV
    September 14th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    Anyone one know when the big budget Hollywood “Obama Killing Osama” movie is getting released? That ought to stir up a real shit storm.
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    Obama has taken the position that the Mohammed video is highly inflammatory. Therefore it must be banned. The movie about how Obama slew Osama is highly inflammatory as well. And it too is fictional. Therefore, for the sake of innocent lives, Obama must ensure that this movie is never shown. If it is shown, and more people are killed, then their blood is on Obama’s hands. Not that that will stop him.

  7. Obama has taken the position that the Mohammed video is highly inflammatory. Therefore it must be banned. The movie about how Obama slew Osama is highly inflammatory as well. And it too is fictional. Therefore, for the sake of innocent lives, Obama must ensure that this movie is never shown.

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    Good point, killing Osama isn’t going to make the middle east love Barry more.

  8. This should not be lost on the public – why the downgrade was issued:

    http://www.forexlive.com/blog/2012/09/13/egan-jones-analyst-hints-at-us-rating-downgrade-post-qe3/

    The latest round of quantitative easing announced Thursday by the Federal Reserve will almost certainly trigger a rating downgrade by Egan-Jones.

    Already the rating agency had warned on Wednesday when it affirmed the U.S. rating at AA that “QE3 will likely trigger a negative action.

    Given that the outlook is already negative (AA-), a downgrade to AA- would be a logical next step for the rating agency.

    We are not receiving QE3 positively,” Vice President and co-manager of the ratings’ desk Bill Hassiepen told MNI Thursday, while the fiscal situation is a “nightmare.”

    While the Fed is seeking to support economic growth through its quantitative easing, Hassiepen argued that the central bank’s “massive monetization” is instead causing “sluggish to stagnant economic growth.”

    In fact, he expects growth to become stagnant within six months as a result of the Fed’s policy.

    The reason the country does not have a weaker rating, he said, is that it remains “the only viable reserve currency in the world.”

  9. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/18840

    Black Flag of Islam Flies Over American Embassy in Tunisia as Attacks on America Continue Around the Globe

    A black Islamic flag is currently flying over the U.S. embassy in Tunisia after it had been stormed by an angry mob of protesters, who were upset over an anti-Islam film that was made by Americans.

  10. These poor men. Absolutely devastating. I used to have confidence that no matter what or how they bungled many things , at least the US president was at least on America, and the US Constitution’s side, whether it be a dem or repub, and I’ve supported both. Now, with OTurd in office, I no longer have trust that they are on America’s side.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/bloodstained-walls-at-consulate-reveal-americans-were-dragged-from-building-before-their-death/

  11. “A black Islamic flag is currently flying over the U.S. embassy”

    People may say what they want about George W Bush, but they feared him and knew he wouldn’t take chit when it came to kicking America around.

    Barry? He’ll be the first one to kick America down and sympathize with America’s enemies.

  12. http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ed-koch-romney-was-in-bounds-criticizing-embassy-statement-135581.html

    Former New York City Mayor Ed Koch, who became a President Obama supporter after some courting by the president’s team — and after some strong public denouncements of his Mideast policies — strongly defended Mitt Romney for the remarks criticizing the Cairo mission statement about violence in Egypt.

    In an interview with POLITICO, Koch — a Mideast hawk who was recently hospitalized during the Democratic Party platform fight over language relating to Jerusalem as Israel’s capital — said he is “still on the [Obama] train.” But he expressed displeasure with the president on issues related to Israel, and said Romney was within his rights to have criticized the administration when and in the way he did.

    “I don’t think that Romney said anything bad,” he said, adding that the comments he liked the most were from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. “She was really wonderful.”

    (Romney) was right about the embassy statement,” he said. “The issue itself is in-bounds … (it is fair) for the GOP candidate to disagree” with the response.

    Koch, a popular figure among American Jews who had been expected to go to Florida to campaign for Obama, insisted the only thing that would keep him from doing it now is his health, and logistical troubles he has getting around now.

    But he added that while he’s still backing Obama, “I am distressed that they did not put back all of the language that was” removed from the 2008 platform about Jerusalem.

    I’m very distressed with what is happening,” he went on, saying, ‘I do not believe it could have been changed (the first time, removing the language) without White House approval.” [snip]

    He also faulted Obama over the report that the White House turned down a requested meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has all but endorsed Mitt Romney (the White House denied that sequence of events).

    But he added he believes the platform issue will negatively impact Obama in states like Florida: “That’s got to inflame people who are supporters of Israel.”

    The assumption among many operatives is the feelings about where Obama is on Israel and the Mideast is essentially hardened in voter sentiment at this point. Still, Koch is publicly criticizing his chosen candidate at this stage of the game, and as the situation in the Mideast is still erupting in violence today.

  13. And tonight, Barry will be flying to NYC to party with Beyonce. Sick, sick sick. He really is a piece of $hit. And so is the MSM that covers up every damn thing for him!

  14. Mayor Ed Koch

    Another idiot. First he believes Barry in 2008 when OTurd makes some speech at AIPAC, so Koch goes around supporting him. Then comes Barry’s 1967 border comments, Koch gets mad, endorses a repub to win Weiner’s seat. Then Barry meets with him, and the moron Ed Koch is actually stupid enough to believe him, and re-endorses Barry. Then comes the DNC platform removing all Israel etc references, and then it dawns on the genius Koch, oh maybe the WH has something to do with this!
    Now, of course Barry doesn’t give a damn, maybe if Koch makes a big ruckus about this, Barry will call Ed Koch again, and Koch proving himself to be the gullible idiot that he is, will fall for Barry’s lies again and support him again…

    until the next time Barry disses and goes again after Israel. Which 100% will happen. Ed Koch ==> poster child for a gullible idiot.

  15. a bit more bad news to digest.
    Fox showed a long speech by Ryan today. I heard most of it. He was doing quite well for a while then he spent alot of time on his Catholicism and the right to life issues. Sure way to lose.
    Why are they so stupid? Why can’t they just stick to the economy and foreign policy?
    Someone needs to shut him up and fast.

  16. apologies if this is a repost.

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/14/german-newspaper-rips-into-barack-obama-weak-naive-distracted-america-in-decline/

    “US President Barack Obama’s Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It’s a bitter outcome for Obama.”

    “Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. In practice, the policies of the Obama administration in the region were not as naive as they may have seemed at times, and the Americans have always been much more involved in the Middle East than the passive Europeans. But Washington has provided the image of a distracted superpower in the process of decline to the societies there. This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali.”

    “One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America’s deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check.”

  17. Wonder what all those people who switched from Hillary to Oturd think now? I forget his name, but he was OTurd’s first lawyer, he went from Hillary to OTurd (and insulted Hillary in the process) and then left within 2 years.

  18. Thanks admin, yes that was it, I think he was Hillary or Bill’s classmate. What a doofus, got fooled by a liar and fraud.

  19. So,Ed, why the hell are u still supporting him. It’s actually been a hot and rainy day down here and Romney reinforcing Mr. Likeable is nauseating. Bottom line, he
    is losing in the key states and Ryan was a bad pick. We get a Romney commercial
    down here about us not being better than we were 4 yrs ago, and Obama follows with
    a medicare attack on Romney. The Medicare thing sticks down here with all the alter
    cockers.

  20. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/anti-us-protests-spread-india-bangladesh-indonesia

    “Did we say Arab Fall? We meant global fall. From the Star Tribune: “Thousands of Kashmiri Muslims protested Friday against an anti-Islam film, burning U.S. flags and calling President Barack Obama a “terrorist,” while the top government cleric here reportedly demanded Americans leave the volatile Indian-controlled region immediately. In the southern Indian city of Chennai, protesters threw stones at the U.S. Consulate, shattering some windows and burning Obama in effigy. Police quickly cleared the area, arresting more than 100 protesters. U.S. Embassy officials in Delhi did not immediately comment.” And elsewhere: “In Bangladesh, about 5,000 hardline Muslims marched in Dhaka’s streets after Friday prayers, burning U.S. and Israeli flags and calling for the death of the filmmaker. Police prevented them from marching toward the U.S. Embassy several miles away.” And elsewhere: “In Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, about 200 protesters chanted slogans and held up signs in a largely peaceful protest outside the heavily guarded U.S. Embassy in Jakarta. ”

    HUH. I wonder if OTurd still thinks what he said 3 years said is true?

    www dot breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/09/14/FLASHBACK-Obama-The-Day-Im-Inaugurated-Muslim-Hostility-Will-Ease

  21. I am beginning to think MR may have had the bad luck to have spoken before he knew about the deaths in Libya

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    Bad luck? Or bad judgement in speaking prematurely, without watching what was going on elsewhere? Or deliberately giving a mis-impression of Cairo’s words, which backfired on him?

    What WAS the exact timeline, here?

  22. Dr. Ben’s latest stunt of QE3 will only accelerate this.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/china-and-russia-are-ruthlessly-cutting-the-legs-out-from-under-the-u-s-dollar

    “The mainstream media in the United States is almost totally ignoring one of the most important trends in global economics. This trend is going to cause the value of the U.S. dollar to fall dramatically and it is going to cause the cost of living in the United States to go way up. Right now, the U.S. dollar is the primary reserve currency of the world. Even though that status has been chipped away at in recent years, U.S. dollars still make up more than 60 percent of all foreign currency reserves in the world. Most international trade (including the buying and selling of oil) is conducted in U.S. dollars, and this gives the United States a tremendous economic advantage. Since so much trade is done in dollars, there is a constant demand for more dollars all over the globe from countries that need them for trading purposes. So the Federal Reserve is able to flood our financial system with dollars without it causing a tremendous amount of inflation because the rest of the world ends up soaking up a lot of those dollars. But now that is changing. China and Russia have been spearheading a movement to shift away from using the U.S. dollar in international trade. At the moment, the shift is happening gradually, but at some point a tipping point will come (for example if Saudi Arabia were to declare that it will no longer take U.S. dollars for oil) and the entire global financial system is going to change. When that tipping point comes the global demand for U.S. dollars is going to absolutely plummet and nightmarish inflation will come to the United States. If such a scenario sounds far out to you, then you have not been paying attention. In fact, China and Russia have been working very hard to move us toward exactly such a scenario.

    China and Russia are not the “buddies” of the United States. The truth is that they are both ruthless competitors of the United States and leaders from both nations have been calling for a new global currency for years.

    They don’t like that the United States has a built-in advantage of having the reserve currency of the world, and over the past several years both countries have been busy making international agreements that seek to chip away at that advantage.

    Just the other day, China and Germany agreed to start conducting an increasing amount of trade with each other in their own currencies.

    You would think that a major currency agreement between the 2nd and 4th largest economies on the face of the planet would make headlines all over the United States.

    Instead, the silence in the U.S. media was deafening.

    At least there were some reports in the international media about this. The following is from a Reuters article about this very important deal….

    Cont…”

  23. How many times during his speech did Joe Biden point his finger and say “Osama ben Laden is dead and GM is alive”? How many days ago was that? The Egyptians were chanting “Obama, Obama, we are all Osama”. Obama and the democrats are the ones who ignited this fire and now they are trying to convince us it was some obscure u-tube video. Fighting over what Romney said, going to Vegas, everything they have done is to distract us and keep us from making that connection.

    I wish every civilized person is the world would go out and buy a Koran and then we could announce that we’ll start a fire, draw a picture of Mohammed and burn it along some bacon and the Koran on Sunday unless they all stop their rioting, clean up their mess and go home to live quietly. Do they love their holy book enough to give up their sick fun?

  24. Some wise words from a great lady:

    “pls understand, [redacted] is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing.”

    Admitting that the subject was legal and was protected by the First Amendment rights, she still said it should not be supported, because it would emotionally hurt some people.

    Anyone recognize it?

  25. Betty
    September 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    One thing most the Obot MSM doesn’t mentioned, Hannity just did, the movie has been on the internet since August. It just so happened, “coincidentally”, this all came to a boiling point on September 11th. Yea, it was all about the movie, nothing to do with radical Islam and September 11th.

  26. It just so happened, “coincidentally”, this all came to a boiling point on September 11th.

    ==================

    It came to a boil when an Arab tv personality (similar to Limbaugh) made a broadcast about the alleged movie, shortly after someone had put up an Arabic translation.

  27. It just so happened, “coincidentally”, this all came to a boiling point on September 11th.

    =====================

    Ok, here are details about the Arabic Limbaugh-type who chose the date. The comments also talk about a broadcast by a Fundamentalist sect network.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/egyptian-outrage-peddler-who-sent-anti-islam-youtube-clip-viral/56826/
    SEP 13, 2012
    Everyday Americans spout off hours upon hours of offensive statements about Islam. So how on Earth did a poorly-produced, wildly obscure 14-minute YouTube clip spark violent uprisings from Yemen to Afghanistan to Algeria to Egypt? The answer is Sheik Khaled Abdullah, an Egyptian TV host who latched onto a trailer of the U.S. film Innocence of Muslims on Sunday, a move that has stoked anti-American sentiment across the Muslim world.

    At the outset of the controversy, the U.S. media focused on the blowhard producer of the film Sam Bacile, a pathological liar of sorts, who allegedly tricked his cast and crew into making the grotesquely offensive movie and lied to the mainstream media about his identity and the film’s financing. While Bacile’s lies have made for an interesting media sideshow, he never would’ve become a headline if his film hadn’t sparked an international incident. So the question remains: Why this shoddy YouTube clip and why now?

    The original trailer of Innocence of Muslims was posted to YouTube by Bacile in July, but never gained attention until last week when it was translated into Arabic and linked to by an Egyptian-American Copt Morris Sadek in an Arabic-language blog post. Around that same time, Koran-burning Florida Pastor Terry Jones began promoting the film to practically no effect in the U.S. But it did gain the attention of a Glenn Beck-style TV pundit in Egypt: Sheikh Khalad Abdalla, a host on the Islamist satellite-TV station al-Nas. On Sept. 8, Abdullah lit the match that set this entire international incident in motion and broadcast an offensive clip of the trailer [….]

  28. Wonder what all those people who switched from Hillary to Oturd think now? I forget his name, but he was OTurd’s first lawyer, he went from Hillary to OTurd (and insulted Hillary in the process) and then left within 2 years.
    ——————–
    He was the fall guy for Obama, when Guantanamo was not closed. He has been sniffing around however trying to get back aboard, according to my information.

  29. Osama ben Laden is dead and GM is alive”?
    ——————–
    Osama was killed by Navy Seals, GM is on life support, the middle east in on fire, and where is Barack? Hiding in the root cellar and imbibing sweet blindness by the gallon along with his harem of big media whores–moonshine lovers all.


  30. Tim–I was reading the comments to the Eastwood interview, and I said to myself these petty, vindictive, totalitarian, anti American assholes . . . which obviously they are—-res ipsa locitur—the thing speaks for itself.

    Then I reflected back on what a surgeon told me, namely that of the people who come to him for medical care, 10% are crazy as a march hare, another 30% are on prozac or belong on prozac just to make it through the night, such that he is never surprised when they do something or say something which is utterly deranged.

    I asked him how he managed to attract so many Obama supporters in one medical practice.

  31. Mike Merker Most likely a liberal judge appointed by a democrat.

    6 hours ago · 8..

    Joel Odegaard it’s not a wi judge it’s a dane county judge

    6 hours ago · 4..

    Deb Shimek-Hanson Well Mike, which party wrote the constitution?

    6 hours ago · 1..

    Lynn Cedergren Does he actually have the authority to do that? A Dane County Circuit Judge doesn’t sound like someone with all that much authority.

    6 hours ago · 2..

    Heidi VanFrachen Brown How does this violate the U.S. Constitution? Could some one tell me where in the constitution it says give union workers all the money and free benefits they want?

    6 hours ago via mobile · 14..

    Lonny Luberts Not to mention the Democratic Process has been tested and retested on this issue. And why is it that a County Judge can rule on state law?

    6 hours ago · 4..

    Joel Odegaard dane county thinks it has the right to speak for the rest of the state the supreme ct ruled on this last year and i’m sure they will rule on this also

    6 hours ago · 3..

    Paul Bierbrauer Supreme court judge and I will listen till then GO WALKER!

    6 hours ago via mobile · 4..

    Scott Rickhoff it was a legislative state law that created the guidelines to bargain and another legislative state law that changed it… neither violates any real rights in the constitution, if so then no law created can ever be changed. What sort of knot heads do they have for judges over there?

    6 hours ago · 2..

    Scott Rickhoff liberals just won’t accept the will of the people…. but then neither do Fascists, Nazis or Communists, who are the political parents of today’s progressive movement.

    5 hours ago · 3

  32. ADMIN:

    THIS IS IMPORTANT! IT IS WHY HILLARYIS44 IS THE LEGITIMATE HOME FOR TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATS, AND WHY THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT OBAMA ARE NOT TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATS. THE FORMER LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND THE LATTER HATE IT. THOSE HILLARY SUPPORTERS WHO ARE STILL IN THE PARTY HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED. WHY THE BRILLIANT ROMNEY STAFF HAVE NOT CLARIFIED THIS CRITICAL DISTINCTION, WHICH COULD PEEL OFF OBAMA LEANERS IN KEY STATES IS A MYSTERY TO ME.

    The Obama Democrats This isn’t the party of FDR, Truman, JFK or Clinton. They’re different.
    By DANIEL HENNINGER

    It is no accident that the Chicago teachers union would walk off the job, seeking a 29%, two-year wage settlement, days after the Democratic convention in Charlotte, N.C. The Chicago teachers union and the podium speakers in Charlotte are part of the seamless political fabric that has been created by Barack Obama and the modern Democratic Party. They’ve got goals, and what they want from the people of Chicago or America is compliance.

    The speakers in Charlotte fastened the party to a theme: We’re all in it together. This claim is false. The modern Democratic Party, the party of Obama, is about permanent division and permanent opposition. You’d never have guessed they were speaking on behalf of an incumbent and historic presidency. One speaker after another ranted that the America system remains fundamentally unfair.

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    Columnist Dan Henninger on how the Democratic party has become a party whose agenda is avenging hurts, slights, wrongs and the systemic theft of “our democracy.” Photos: Associated Press
    .
    .Despite seven Democratic presidencies since FDR, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Harvard still grieves, “The system is rigged!” Jennifer Granholm, who seems to have summered in Argentina, shouted that for Mitt Romney, “year after year, it was profit before people.” The economics of San Antonio Mayor Julián Castro (Stanford, Harvard Law): “It’s a choice between a country where the middle class pays more so that millionaires can pay less.” Sandra Fluke: “Six months from now, we’ll all be living in one [future], or the other. But only one.”

    How is it that this generation of Democrats, nearly 225 years after the Constitutional Convention, sees 21st century America at the precipice of tooth and claw?

    Recall all the talk about Bill Clinton’s politically “generous” speech. His speech was an outlier. Set against the furious voices roaring off that stage, Bill Clinton was a figure from the Democrats’ crypt.

    The Obama Democrats are no longer the party of FDR, Truman, JFK or Clinton. All were combative partisans, but their view of the American system was fundamentally positive. The older Democratic Party grew out of the American labor experience of the early 20th century, which recognized its inevitable ties to the private sector. The systemically alienated Obama party more resembles the ancient anticapitalist syndicalist movements of continental Europe.

    In its 2008 primaries, the Democratic Party made a historic pivot. The center-left party of Bill and Hillary Clinton was overthrown by Barack Obama and the party’s “progressives,” the redesigned logo of the vestigial Democratic left.

    The internal tension between the party’s liberals and the left blasted to the surface at the Chicago convention in 1968, when the famous Days of Rage street protesters vilified the party of LBJ and Hubert Humphrey. The “San Francisco Democrats” dominated the 1984 convention, but the party still nominated the establishment liberal Walter Mondale.

    While liberals owned the party apparatus, the left took control of its ideas. By 1990, liberal Harvard Law School was torn apart by a left-wing theory called critical legal studies, which condemned the American legal and economic system as . . . rigged.

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    The Harvard proletariat: Elizabeth Warren at the Democratic convention.
    .What binds Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Sandra Fluke and the rest of the Charlotte roster is the belief, learned early on, that their politics has made them a perpetual band of American outsiders.

    It’s an irony now that one of their touchstone ideological works has been Richard Hofstadter’s “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” (1964), which was about the American political right back then. Today it’s the Obama Democrats who insist that something like voter-identification statutes are a racist conspiracy. Barack Obama in his grave acceptance speech fears that “this nation’s promise is reserved for the few.” And so out on the plains, the Obama Democrats will assemble a voter army from that vast proletariat, the U.S. middle class, to pull down “the wealthiest.”

    This is a party whose agenda is avenging slights, wrongs and the systemic theft of “our democracy.” For all this injustice, someone must be made to pay. How far all this is from the America called for in Lincoln’s first inaugural: “We must not be enemies.”

    The Obama administration’s battle with the Catholic Church over contraceptive services is symbolic and important. The tradition of religious independence, which even liberal Catholics thought legitimate, has no standing with the do-the-right-thing politics of the Democratic left. Kathleen Sebelius to American Catholics: Get out of our way.

    An Obama victory wouldn’t be just a defeat of the GOP. It would be a defeat of the post-World War II Democratic Party. And they know it. The progressive left has wanted to push Democratic liberalism over the cliff for decades. This is their best shot to get it done.

    Mitt Romney—whose own political conversation is remarkably bereft of history—ought to be explaining to Democrats-turned-independent how far Mr. Obama has moved their party from its traditions. FDR’s Social Security and LBJ’s Medicare asked all to buy in to supporting it. ObamaCare doesn’t; Mr. Obama revels in explaining how “they” will pay for “you.” Left unanswered, demagoguery can win elections. And take a generation to undo.

    Write to henninger@wsj.com

  33. Youtube has told the WH to go to Hell, they will not take down the video.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/14/youtube-tells-white-house-it-will-not-remove-video-blamed-for-sparking-riots

    hoosing to get tough against a video rather than the mob is certainly the easier course, but not even Google, owner of YouTube, seemed intimated by this administration. A YouTube spokesperson said in a statement:

    We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions. This can be a challenge because what’s OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere. This video — which is widely available on the Web — is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube.

  34. Obama acts as did the Athenian Senate when threatened by the autocratic Phillip of Macedonia:

    ‘So you, thundered Demosthenes,’if you hear of Phillip in the Chersonese, vote an expedition there, if at Thermopylae you vote one there; if somewhere else you keep pace with him to and fro. You take your marching orders from him; YOU HAVE NEVER FORMED ANY PLAN OF CAMPAIGN FOR YOURSELVES, NEVER FORESEEN ANY EVENT, UNTIL YOU LEARN THAT SOMETHING HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, OR IS HAPPENING. OUR BUSINESS IS NOT TO SPECULATE ON WHAT THE FUTURE MAY BRING, BUT TO BE CERTAIN THAT IT WILL BRING DISASTER, UNLESS YOU FACE THE FACTS AND CONSENT TO DO YOUR DUTY.’ (First Philippic, 41, 47 and 50)

  35. Looks like Little Miss Airhead aka The Obama Girl is sitting this one out.

    What a crying shame that is.

    I have found the perfect routine for her to serenade the useless one, i.e. Barack Hussein Obama.

    It is an old Marilyn Monroe song called “Teach Me Tiger.”

    Only this time, i.e. 2012, the Title and refrain to serenade her erstwhile hero should be “Paper Tiger.”


  36. http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/14/state_department_stop_asking_us_about_the_benghazi_attack

    The State Department told reporters Friday afternoon that it won’t answer any more questions about the Sept. 11 attack on the consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans until the investigation into the incident is complete.

    “I’m going to frustrate all of you, infinitely, by telling you that now that we have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans, we are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this this happened — not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador Stevens, not any of it — until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation that’s its got,” State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon.

    “So I’m going to send to the FBI for those kinds of questions and they’re probably not going to talk to you about it,” she said.

    All aspects of the attack, including what led up to it, its causes, the identity of the perpetrators, and the circumstances surrounding the death of Amb. Chris Stevens and the other three Americans,are off limits for reporters.

    The new policy leaves many questions about the Benghazi attack unanswered, potentially for a long time, such as the identity of the attackers, whether they were connected to protests earlier in the day in Cairo, what were the exact circumstances and cause of Stevens’s death, whether the administration had indications of the threat beforehand, and whether the consulate’s security was adequate or not.

    Many of these questions are sure to be asked by lawmakers, beginning with the leaders of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, who called today for an investigation into the security procedures at the Benghazi consulate before and during the attack.

    Two senior officials did speak extensively about the events of the night of the attack on the consulate Sept 12 in a background conference call with reporters, but that’s all the information the administration intends to give out, Nuland said.

    Reporters at the briefing pointed out that the officials on that conference call noted that they were giving out preliminary information that might have been wrong and if the State Department doesn’t talk about the night’s events ever again, that wrong information would remain uncorrected in the public sphere.

    “The U.S. government is going to be happy to let incorrect information stand?” one reporter asked.

    “I will make a personal pledge to you that if I become aware that information we gave that first night is radically wrong in a way that you deserve to know, I will do my best to get that information to you,” Nuland said. “But I have to respect the fact that this is now a crime scene.”

    ……………………………………

    This is a very old political trick of kicking the can into the long grass to make sure it dies over time, do not fall for it. I think i’ll as many questions as i like thatnk you very much.

  37. Those bullshit Gangsta rappers (Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka, etc.) just need to retire and make room for talented and more worthy musical acts like this.
    barber747 in reply to oldClemCole (Show the comment) 4 months ago 8
    —————————
    That says it all except that Marilyn McCoo was the best thing to come out of Detroit, Billy Davis is a lucky guy, and the late Andy Gibb (who was no stranger to drugs) lost track of his decades. The year was 1968, and I remember it because I heard that voice coming out the window of the top floor at Bancroft Hall Annapolis, and I just had to find out who it belonged to. In those days, there were no women midshipmen so it had to be a record and indeed it was. Admin has posted that song as a tribute to WJC so this is not a case of first impression on this blog. If only Clint Eastwood were running for president. But when you have been mayor of Carmel what can you possibly do for an encore. You can search the world over for a better billet and never find it. Certainly not on the Potomac.


  38. moononpluto
    September 15th, 2012 at 2:39 am
    I see Politico is at the forefront of its fellatio of Obama with its front page today……

    I kid you not “The GOP’s Foreign Policy Muddle” straight out of the propaganda playbook.

    However look at the comments …scathing at Obama.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81232.html?hp=t1

    ……………………………………………..

    How much more can people take of this bullshit.

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    Politico is depraved.

  39. State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon.
    [….]

    This is a very old political trick of kicking the can into the long grass to make sure it dies over time, do not fall for it.

    ==========================

    This is Hillary’s State Dept. You think Hillary wouldn’t be on top of what’s said by her spokesperson at this point?

  40. Think Politico is bullshit? Just wait for the BS bath we are going to take with the Sunday show talking heads.

    This country has lost its collective mind.

  41. but but Barry was the muslim saviour who would stop the oceans and ebbtides……

    Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/15/us-protests-qaeda-idUSBRE88E03G20120915

    The Yemen-based branch of al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill more U.S. diplomats in Muslim countries after a U.S.-made film mocking the Prophet Mohammad which it said was another chapter in the “crusader wars” against Islam.

    “Whoever comes across America’s ambassadors or emissaries should follow the example of Omar al-Mukhtar’s descendants (Libyans), who killed the American ambassador,” the group said, referring to Tuesday’s attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

    “Let the step of kicking out the embassies be a step towards liberating Muslim countries from the American hegemony,” a statement posted on an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) website on Saturday said.

    ……………………

    Quite clear this so called “film” is being used to ferment anti-US fever. So much for Bambi’s community outreach program.

  42. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/13/egypt-libya-hollywood-film
    [….]
    Produced and promoted by a strange collection of rightwing Christian evangelicals and exiled Egyptian Copts, the trailer was created with the intention of both destabilizing post-Mubarak Egypt and roiling the US presidential election. As a consultant for the film named Steve Klein said: “We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen.”

    The Associated Press’s initial report on the trailer – an amateurish, practically unwatchable production called The Innocence of Muslims – identified a mysterious character, “Sam Bacile”, as its producer. Bacile told the Associated Press that he was a Jewish Israeli real estate developer living in California. He said that he raised $5m for the production of the film from “100 Jewish donors”, an unusual claim echoing Protocols of the Elders of Zion-style fantasies. Unfortunately, the extensive history of Israeli and ultra-Zionist funding and promotion of Islamophobic propaganda in the United States provided Bacile’s remarkable statement with the ring of truth.

    Who was Bacile? The Israeli government could not confirm his citizenship, and for a full day, no journalist was able to determine whether he existed or not. After being duped by Bacile, AP traced his address to the home of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a militant Coptic separatist and felon convicted of check fraud. On September 13, US law enforcement officials confirmed that “Sam Bacile” was an alias Nakoula used to advance his various scams, which apparently included the production of The Innocence of Muslims.

    According to an actor in the film, the all-volunteer cast was deceived into believing they were acting in a benign biblical epic about “how things were 2,000 years ago”. The script was titled Desert Warrior, and its contents made no mention of Muhammad – his name was dubbed into the film during post-production. On the set, a gray-haired Egyptian man who identified himself only as “Sam” (Nakoula) chatted aimlessly in Arabic with a group of friends while posing as the director. A casting notice for Desert Warrior listed the film’s real director as “Alan Roberts”. This could likewise be a pseudonym, although there is a veteran Hollywood hand responsible for such masterpieces as The Happy Hooker Goes Hollywood and The Sexpert who goes by the same name.

    Before Nakoula was unmasked, the only person to publicly claim any role in the film was Klein, an insurance salesman and Vietnam veteran from Hemet, California, who emerged from the same Islamophobic movement that produced the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. Styling themselves as “counter-Jihadists”, anti-Muslim crusaders like Klein took their cues from top propagandists like Pamela Geller, the blogger who once suggested that Barack Obama was the lovechild of Malcolm X, and Robert Spencer, a pseudo-academic expert on Muslim radicalization who claimed that Islam was no more than “a developed doctrine and tradition of warfare against unbelievers”. Both Geller and Spencer were labeled hate group leaders by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    Klein is an enthusiastic commenter on Geller’s website, Atlas Shrugged, where he recently complained about Mitt Romney’s “support for a Muslim state in Israel’s heartland”. In July 2011, Spencer’s website, Jihad Watch, promoted a rally Klein organized to demand the firing of Los Angeles County sheriff Lee Baca, whom he painted as a dupe for the Muslim Brotherhood.

  43. of course, wacko line of night goes toooooooooooooo

    MSNBC host Chris Matthews said on his program that he thought Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney was displaying a suspicious level of arrogance by thinking that he could run for president against Barack Obama. He said he “didn’t like the look” of what Romney could have been thinking, although he said he opted to refrain from getting “into his head on this.”

    ………………………

    So there you have you are now arrogant to even dare to run against Obama………….the mindset displayed is chilling, these guys would lock up any dissenters.

  44. Huffpo contributor jumps the shark.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/12/HuffPo-Contributor-Why-Should-I-Care-About-Death-of-Ambassador-Stevens

    “100s of 1,000s of Arabs & Muslims slaughtered by American troops. Tell me again why I should care about whatshisname-plus-three? ”

    Huffington Post contributor Sharmine Narwani took the occasion of the murder of our ambassador to Libya to launch into an anti-American diatribe that culminated in her asking why she is supposed to care about Ambassador Chris Stevens’ death or that of the other two killed with him.

    Sharmine Narwani, who is also a correspondent for Al Jezeera and an associate at St Antony’s College, Oxford University, took to her Twitter account on Wednesday after it was reported that Ambassador Stevens was murdered by a rioting Islamist crowd in Benghazi, Libya.

    100s of 1,000s of Arabs & Muslims slaughtered by American troops. Tell me again why I should care about whatshisname-plus-three?

    Almost immediately Twitter followers began to attack the HuffPo blogger for her callousness. But Narwani was unapologetic. At one point she asked a detractor why he questioned her “logic” just because it was different from his. “His life,” she said of the ambassador, “does not hold any more weight than another.”

    But here’s the actual logic to Narwani’s points. If she feels that ambassador Stevens’ death is somehow equal with everyone else’s and yet is so dismissive of his death, then logic states she is equally dismissive of all deaths. You can’t be dismissive of one death if you think all deaths are equal without being dismissive of all!

    Logic is obviously not Narwani’s strong suit.

    ……………………………………………

    Not only is this POS disrespectful, she could’nt even bring herself to say his name instead refers to him as “whatshisname” Nice people they have contributing to HuffPo.

  45. moononpluto
    September 15th, 2012 at 4:18 am

    Huff poop is a major attraction for anti-americanism, and those who hate this country. I remember a while back, there was a report published that FBI and other authorities would look at Huff poop to see if they could track down or at least get leads on jihadies etc.

    These people aren’t even just regular lefties, they are hard core, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn america hating type people.

  46. http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/320283

    ” Cont….

    As I say, I’m inclined to be generous, and put some of this down to the natural torpor and ineptitude of government. But Hillary Clinton and General Martin Dempsey are guilty of something worse, in the secretary of state’s weirdly obsessive remarks about an obscure film supposedly disrespectful of Mohammed and the chairman of the joint chiefs’ telephone call to a private citizen asking him if he could please ease up on the old Islamophobia.

    Forget the free-speech arguments. In this case, as Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey well know, the film has even less to do with anything than did the Danish cartoons or the schoolteacher’s teddy bear or any of the other innumerable grievances of Islam. The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: That’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it. Secretary Clinton and General Dempsey are, to put it mildly, misleading the American people when they suggest otherwise.

    One can understand why they might do this, given the fiasco in Libya. The men who organized this attack knew the ambassador would be at the consulate in Benghazi rather than at the embassy in Tripoli. How did that happen? They knew when he had been moved from the consulate to a “safe house,” and switched their attentions accordingly. How did that happen? The United States government lost track of its ambassador for ten hours. How did that happen? Perhaps, when they’ve investigated Mitt Romney’s press release for another three or four weeks, the court eunuchs of the American media might like to look into some of these fascinating questions, instead of leaving the only interesting reporting on an American story to the foreign press.

    For whatever reason, Secretary Clinton chose to double down on misleading the American people. “Libyans carried Chris’s body to the hospital,” said Mrs. Clinton. That’s one way of putting it. The photographs at the Arab TV network al-Mayadeen show Chris Stevens’s body being dragged through the streets, while the locals take souvenir photographs on their cell phones. A man in a red striped shirt photographs the dead-eyed ambassador from above; another immediately behind his head moves the splayed arm and holds his cell-phone camera an inch from the ambassador’s nose. Some years ago, I had occasion to assist in moving the body of a dead man: We did not stop to take photographs en route. Even allowing for cultural differences, this looks less like “carrying Chris’s body to the hospital” and more like barbarians gleefully feasting on the spoils of savagery. Cont…”

  47. With Obama policy crumbling, White House blames movie for Mideast unrest. ow.ly/dJBbJ

    Its always someone or something else’s fault. Never OTurd’s.

  48. How Ironic, one of the biggest water carriers for the left and OTurd writes this lame article.

    latest tweet:
    politico One of the oldest tricks in the GOP playbook: In times of political crisis, blame the liberal mainstream media: politi.co/QO1okZ

  49. tim
    September 14th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    “The mainstream media in the United States is almost totally ignoring one of the most important trends in global economics….“
    =====

    Thanks for this article. We should all read it because it clearly delineates a matter that I have raised repeatedly over the past two years or so: The dollar is in danger of failing its role as the world’s reserve – and trading – currency, and the results will be disastrous for the US economy as it has operated since Bretton Woods.

    The author claims that Russia and China are steering away from the dollar because they are not US “buddies” but enemies. But the reality of the thing is that these two countries – and several others – are acting in their own self-interest. So, little does it matter how evil their intentions may be.

    China and Germany have “agreed to start conducting an increasing amount of trade with each other in their own currencies,” as the article says. Does this make Germany an enemy of the US too? Actually, it is the result of China’s desire to get hard currency for their products, i.e. the Euro, and peg the Yuan to the Euro. China already buys its oil from Iran and Iran will accept only hard currencies – mainly the Euro, because China has a lot of trade with Europe. So for China, this new agreement with Germany is just an extension of its policy as it has existed for several years now.

    Russia is following suit. The Ruble is no longer the Monopoly money of the Soviet years. The Russians want due recognition for their currency and the best path to that goal is to peg the Ruble to the Euro and trade (mainly with Europe) in Euros.

    Brazil, Venezuela and India are wavering. All that is needed now is for Saudi Arabia to go the route of China and Russia and, as the article says, the dollar will go down for good. In that context, “Drill baby drill” will not only be a good idea energy-wise, it will become a matter of life and death for the dollar, because the US will be unable to buy enough Euros to pay for all the oil it consumes. We are just a year or two away from this cataclysm, which has been building up for more than a decade.

    To build on the article’s opening line, I ask the question, “Why is the mainstream media ignoring this trend?”

  50. “Why is the mainstream media ignoring this trend?”

    Most have no understanding of anything in economics, propping up the Messiah OTurd up seems to be what they excel in.
    Even the financial channels, are about stocks, equities, etc, but not basic economic philosophies, Keynesian vs Milton Friedman, etc. They bring on ivory tower idiots like Paul Krugman and Tom Friedman, who have very little understanding, excepting spouting off their own beliefs, but have no critical thinking skills when confronted with opposing views.

  51. In view of these facts:
    1. DNC had scheduled, but canceled, some sort of pre-convention event with 20,000 Muslims. (Muslims smiled in anticipation; then po’d at having prize taken away due to heavy public pressure.)
    2. By hook or crook, DNC manages to remove all mention of “God” & “Jerusalem”. (Muslims smile.)
    3. Removal of God, Jerusalem gets out. POTUS forced to render edict reinserting words God, Jerusalem; POTUS does so by instruction of all media to mention words that he feels very strongly in his “personal” belief that the words must be returned to the platform.(Muslims very angry as their preference won or came close in the first two voice votes; yet DNC pressed until the CSPAN-covered voice vote came out as Dear Leader had instructed … and ANOTHER prize dangled before Muslims by Obama was snatched back.)

    How about these riots have nothing at all to do with the movie trailer, but are a signal to Obama that his DNC did not deliver as had been expected? Obama knows this and is initially deer in headlights; but eventually recovers enough to throw this crumb: no more dissing Islam within the US. Then he prays silently to whatever deity he worships [I know, himself], that all the angered Muslims remember the flexibility he will have after the election…..

  52. holdthemaccountable: “How about these riots have nothing at all to do with the movie trailer, but are a signal to Obama that his DNC did not deliver as had been expected?”

    Good point. Everyone can wait until after the elections, even his Muslims. The Muslims should realize: Obama cannot be trusted.

  53. moononpluto: 2:04 am
    “But I have to respect the fact that this is now a crime scene.”
    “This is a very old political trick of kicking the can into the long grass to make sure it dies over time, do not fall for it. I think i’ll as many questions as i like thatnk you very much.”
    =====

    I have to side with the State Department here. There is indeed a crime scene, an investigation, and no questions answered in public. That is all normal. Ask all the questions you like, the State Department is not only under no obligation to answer them, but under an obligation not to. Funny how the media takes offense at this, after all the legitimate questions they don’t ask.

  54. There is indeed a crime scene, an investigation, and no questions answered in public. That is all normal. Ask all the questions you like, the State Department is not only under no obligation to answer them, but under an obligation not to.

    ==================

    Crime scene is putting it mildly.

    According to an article posted above:
    ” The 400-strong assault force in Benghazi showed up with RPGs and mortars: That’s not a spontaneous movie protest; that’s an act of war, and better planned and executed than the dying superpower’s response to it.”

    ‘Act of war’ fits with the views I quoted above, and with HIllary’s statements iirc. All the more reason not to answer questions about it! Whatever clues they have about which faction did it, should be classified information for quite a while.

  55. Leanora
    September 15th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    A Channel 2 Action News investigation found that the State Department is sending millions of dollars to save mosques overseas.

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    This charge was debunked on a previoius day’s thread.

  56. Good point. Everyone can wait until after the elections, even his Muslims. The Muslims should realize: Obama cannot be trusted.

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    Smooth enough to need a sarcasm tag.

  57. From Kirsten Powers of Fox News, in an article vilifying Hillary as well as Obama, we get an article entitled “President Obama, stop blaming the victim for Mideast violence” with some choice tidbits most of you will probably like, but not me:

    “what is “disgusting and reprehensible” is that there are people in the world who think they are justified in attacking and killing people because someone hurt their feelings or offended their sensibilities”

    True, true.

    “… what we shouldn’t do is affirm the wrongheaded view that people should be protected from the free speech of others…”

    What’s wrongheaded about that view?

    The article goes on to cite the favorable public reception of “Da Vinci Code” that puts forward the hypothesis that Mary Magdalene had a daughter by Jesus – which, by the way, the Tom Hanks protagonist says “would add insult to injury” – and glorifies the public’s enthusiastic reaction to the book/movie as if this were some ideal way to respond.

    As a convinced Christian, but one with a certain training in historical research and with a strong feminist bent, I found this hypothesis exhilarating – in no way insulting to me or to the memory of Jesus – especially because there is historical evidence to back it up. This evidence indicates that both Jesus and Mary Magdalene were offspring of Cleopatra – half-siblings by Julius Caesar and Marc Antonio, respectively – giving them both royal lineage and access to great wealth, and a birthright to both the Egyptian and Roman Empires and to the Hebrew throne as well.

    If this hypothesis is fully correct, their daughter would thus be the product of incest but would be the true Mother of the Church, which Jesus purportedly wanted to pass along to Mary Magdalene and not to Peter. The true Pope would be a woman, and so forth.

    Insult? Injury? Maybe for some Catholics, but not for me…. Anyway, for Powers to aver that ‘Da Vinci Code’ in any way equates with the lies and insinuations packed into this disgusting video, which Sam Brice himself says was intended to get the virulent response it got, is nonsense.

    She also praises the public non-reaction to vile anti-Christian comments by Amanda Marcotte and Bill Maher, ending with:

    “If Christians had burned down Maher’s house in response, would the administration put out a statement condemning the violence but pointing out that he should have respected the religious beliefs of others?”

    to which I say that I would for once praise the White House if they did exactly that. Bill Maher needs to be taught a few lessons, and respect for the religious beliefs of others is one of those lessons. But Powers doesn’t think so :

    “Of course not. Nor would anyone want that.”

    Oh yes I would, milady.

  58. The Yemen-based branch of al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill more U.S. diplomats in Muslim countries after a U.S.-made film mocking the Prophet Mohammad which it said was another chapter in the “crusader wars” against Islam.
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    This was not the cause of the violence in the middle east. The time lines do not square up. The rioting we see is the result of US policy under Obama. Period.

  59. On the other hand, this film could have caused it. But in this case it is a distraction repeated by the media elites, to divert attention from the real cause, which is the weakness that oozed out of Messiah Obama, the darling of big media.

  60. “this film could have caused it. But in this case it is a distraction repeated by the media elites, to divert attention from the real cause, which is the weakness that oozed out of Messiah Obama, the darling of big media.”

    Quite true.

  61. “The president exudes an air of likability and friendliness, which is endearing,” Romney told ABC News. “But at the same time, I think people recognize that he has not done the job they expected him to do and that he promised he would do.”
    —————————-
    In this business, you have to be willing to call your bitter adversary what he is. How in the hell can Romney like him–when he lets his people call Romney a murderer and a felon? Every time Romney says that he reinforces the only strength Obama has. Is that sensible? Rommey sees this as gratuitous and that it will promote a civilized dialogue. He fails to realize that we are far beyond that point. He fails to understand that the other side does not play by the rules of Hoyle and if he persists in this, people will read him as weak. Stop the gratuitous compliments.

  62. Rasmassen’s weekly review shows R in the lead slightly (48% to 46%), and in swing states they are tied 46% each.

    Talk about pucking, the last few days I have had to listen to Richardson on the local channels (a film they made in Charlotte), on how he is helping the administration as much as he can. If HRC got in office and gave him a job I would be pissed. But knowing HRC if she forgave WJC she would probably forgive Richardson!!! However I will not.

  63. Utter disgrace NYT should be closed down. Sending articles to the WH for approval and editing………..so the Govt writes what you.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nytimes-columnist-sent-article-draft-white-houses-valerie-jarrett-comments-publishing_652278.html

    NYTimes Columnist Sent Article Draft to White House’s Valerie Jarrett for Comments Before Publishing

    The latest Bob Woodward books reveals that Peter Orszag, at the time a columnist for the New York Times, sent a draft of an article to White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett for review and comments before publishing.
    Barack Obama meets with Peter Orszag 1

    “Orszag continued his star turn in the op-ed spotlight and a month later drafted a column to appear October 20, 2010, on the sensitive subject of Obamacare,” writes Woodward of Orszag, the former OMB director. “He wanted to focus on one of its weaknesses. The health care legislation ‘does many things right,’ he wrote. ‘But it does almost nothing to reform medical malpractice laws.’”

    Woodward adds, “Should he alert the White House? [Orszag] wondered. Better not to surprise them. With some discomfort, because a columnist is supposed to speak for himself, not his former employer, Orszag sent his draft to Valerie Jarrett. It was about three days before the column was scheduled to run. Here’s a draft, he wrote in an email to her. Let me know if you have any comments.”

    Jarrett did have a comment for Orszag, according to Woodward:

    “Thanks, Jarrett wrote back. She offered no comments on the draft. The column ran as scheduled, unchanged from the draft Orszag had provided the White House. Orszag was in an airport when he got Jarrett’s email. How could you have done this? It’s ridiculous. You’re so disloyal. You have got to realize the health care bill is wildly unpopular, Orszag replied. Every single speech I give, if I lead with this reflection on its imperfections, the dynamic changes. People will then listen. You can’t hold this law out as perfect. It won’t sell. People think it’s a piece of crap. The weaknesses must be acknowledged. Then it’s credible to say, here’s why it is good and why it is the only thing that will work. Jarrett’s answer was delivered with Politburo finality: You have burned your bridges.”

  64. Another quote from Hillary that should please those of us who take irresponsible “free expression” as an unassailable American value:

    “I know it’s hard for some people to understand why the United States cannot or does not just prevent these kinds of reprehensible videos from ever seeing the light of day…Even if it were possible, our country does have a long tradition of free expression, which is enshrined in our constitution and our law. And we do not stop individual citizens from expressing their views no matter how distasteful they may be.”

    I wish I could find her 2009 quote where she clearly states that all freedoms are bound by responsibility for their exercise.

  65. @ moonpluto

    Carlos Slim should rename his rag and call it Government Times because they will still carry water for Bozo no matter what.

  66. Protests in Sydney Australia now as well. Nice to see, no matter which country Muslims seem to be in, their loyalty is first and foremost to their religion not their country.

  67. A piece of chit, the man is a PO$. And the MSM that protects him.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-campaign-has-tweeted-about-jay-z-beyonce-more-than-deadly-libya-consulate-attack/

    “Just one of President Barack Obama’s last 47 tweets from his official campaign account mentioned the crisis unfolding in the Middle East or the four Americans who lost their lives in a fiery attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya on Tuesday.

    Among the tweets sent out by Obama’s Twitter account included a chance to win tickets to an Obama event hosted by Jay-Z and Beyonce, links to Obama merchandise and solicitations for $5 and $10 donations.

    The only mention of the consulate assault came in the form of a retweet of the White House Twitter account”

  68. This is a video from Australia, radicals Islamists in Australia protesting because their feelings were hurt… it is somewhat graphic towards the end of the video, its from RT media.

  69. ” OTurd said “the day I’m inaugurated, not only does the country look at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently.” He went on to say his experience of living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, during some of his growing up years, and the fact that his half-sister is Indonesian, would give him “powerful tools” to reach out to the Muslim World.”

    Yes, this is working out really well.


  70. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EGYPT_FILMMAKER_PROBATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-15-06-44-

    “A Southern California filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie inflaming protests across the Middle East was interviewed by federal probation officers at a Los Angeles sheriff’s station but was not arrested or detained, authorities said early Saturday.”

    How long before Holder and Oturd arrest him for “hurting the feelings of Muslims”?

  71. Actually Fox is reporting he has been picked up, so apparently according to the AP, getting picked up by the authorities is not “arrested”.

  72. Breaking : Sudan rejects US request to send Marines to protect US embassy, state news agency says

    ————————————

    Ok, in that case close the embassy,remove all personnel, issue no visas, cut off all financial aid and say Goodbye.

  73. Jim Geraghty : I’m sure the Department of Justice will tell us all about the Benghazi attack right after they get back to us about Fast & Furious………………….

  74. Moononpluto

    I wanted to bring this up sooner. When we lived on a military installation in Europe, it depended on the agreement with the country as to who had the authority on the base. In Germany it was USA, but in Italy, it was Italian.

    It was in the back of my mind that how the embassies are protected might be a matter of what the country agreed to (they would protect, or US could protect). Your information seems to bear that out.

  75. Ok, in that case close the embassy,remove all personnel, issue no visas, cut off all financial aid and say Goodbye.

    Yep, agreed, the local authority are either not capable or able to protect our people or our interests, and then reject our request to protect our people/interest. Get everyone out of there before our people are hurt as they burn more buildings down.

    Maybe Barry can go over and apologize for hurting their feelings.

  76. so valerie jarrett has SS protection 24/7, yet our ambassador to Libya had basically none. And really, why does Jarrett need SS protection? Is it protection against real genuine threats or just arm candy/accessories so she looks important?
    I read she had full SS protection when she went on a vacation to martha’s vineyeard, WTF?!

  77. Chaos At The State Dept?

    I spoke with a well-placed journalist last night whose sources describe the situation at the State Department in one word: “Chaos.” The working assumption is that several American embassies may have been penetrated, or are vulnerable to attack, because so many of them rely on local residents for staff needs at the embassy, and as such may be in a position to breach security if they have been recruited by Al Qaida. Moreover, the full story of the attack on the Benghazi consulate is much worse than we have been told (except by the Independent newspaper report John and I linked to here on Thursday).

    The consulate in Benghazi was an interim facility, with only a standard door lock for security, and worse, Ambassador Stevens was traveling with only a light security detail, rather than in the heavily armed convoys our diplomats in the region usually employ. The attack on the Benghazi was no mere target of opportunity spurred by reaction to the “Innocence of Muslims” film; the film is just a pretext. The killing of Amb. Stevens was a premeditated hit, planned and carried out as retaliation for the recent drone strike that killed the number two Al Qaida operative in Afghanistan recently. The vulnerability of Stevens at the Benghazi compound was scouted out carefully. All the other embassy protest activity is just covering theater.

    As Drudge would say, developing. . .

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/chaos-at-the-state-dept.php

    ………………………………..

    Which is why I think the State Dept has gone virtually into information lockdown. If indeed this bears out and indeed many embassies have been “moled”, Hillary is done for. It is as we expected and think, that information about what happened is being hidden.

  78. I saw this post over at Hillbuzz. There are reports Mr. Stevens may have been sodomized before, during that 400 mob attack. I’m so angry, how the hell does a senior US diplomat get basically no protection in that part of the world where these radical cockroach freaks have no morals, go after anyone who doesn’t abide their extremism.
    This poor man, and 3 other men who died. What a sad sickening event.

    http://hillbuzz.org/breaking-news-two-sources-in-chicago-diplomatic-circles-identify-ambassador-chris-stevens-as-gay-meaning-state-department-sent-gay-man-to-be-ambassador-to-libya-64291

  79. The thing is after the wikileaks crap did they not learn about security and intelligence, did no one actually up the intelligence stakes then…..the mind boggles.

  80. After seeing these pics on Gateway Pundit, the way these fingerprints are on the column, these men were dragged to their deaths, and based on the disgusting things these radical cockroaches do to other humans they don’t agree with, I do believe these poor men were dragged, and all sorts of disgusting things done to them there after.
    The American MSM is in full protection mode for their Messiah, so real information will only be gotten on the Internet and foreign press.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/breaking-obama-administration-was-warned-3-days-before-deadly-benghazi-consulate-attack/

  81. Have a good afternoon everyone. Everyday, more information comes out about these 4 American patriots who were murdered, and everyday it gets more sickening on what happened to them and how OTurd is still partying it up even when all this is going on. And the pravada American MSM covers up everything for him.

  82. still4hill.com is a very good site, with both videos and texts of Hillary’s own statements, uncut.

    Here is hers of 9/12, showing some often quoted lines in context.
    http://still4hill.com/2012/09/12/hillary-clintons-video-remarks-on-the-deaths-of-american-personnel-in-benghazi-libya/
    [….]
    This was an attack by a small and savage group – not the people or Government of Libya. Everywhere Chris and his team went in Libya, in a country scarred by war and tyranny, they were hailed as friends and partners.

  83. Christ What Next, now Obama wants you to sell all your stuff and give him the money. Seriously WTF


    Yard Sale for Obama.

    WTF

    Next weekend is the “Yard Sale for Obama.” They put out this video to advertise it. They want people to gather up their old junk and sell it and send the proceeds to the Obama campaign. And if you don’t have enough junk to sell, just swipe your neighbor’s stuff and sell that. That’s what they did in the video, a guy comes along, grabs a golf club and says “Isn’t this my nine iron?” Liberals don’t think twice about taking what doesn’t belong to them as long as it’s for the collective. Watch:

  84. All I’d say is, if that dumbass gets re-elected, either you’ll need that stuff to burn for firewood or he’ll come and make it property of the state anyway.

  85. Best comment ever………………

    what’s next? whores for obama?

    Hey Prostitutes, spend one day for obama, and send your john’s money to us instead of keeping for yourself?

    We need to pay fluke, so donations from the public please for her contraceptives.

  86. Jbstonesfan,you’ve been told time and time again that is very disappointing (and disrespectful after everybody have pointed that) that you always mention when BO is up at the polls, always adding your conclusion that he’ll win ( even my teenagers pay more attention to my reprimand or recommendations to respect others requests or opinions).Now you seem to be surprised that Romney is up as you say “in 1 poll?”, what’s your point ?Are you with us or against us? Are you an obot?hope not!

  87. A Hollywood film that is making close to zero money at the box office opened in July. This timed for election crap has almost no viewers. Hold your stomachs:

  88. “Eugene Volokh teaches free speech law, criminal law, tort law, religious freedom law, and church-state relations law at UCLA School of Law, where he has also often taught copyright law and a seminar on firearms regulation policy. Before coming to UCLA, he clerked for Justice Sandra Day O’Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court and for Judge Alex Kozinski on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.” He writes today about the calls for censorship:

    http://www.volokh.com/2012/09/15/why-punishing-blashphemous-speech-that-triggers-murderous-reactions-would-likely-lead-to-more-deaths/

    In recent days, I’ve heard various people calling for punishing the maker of Innocence of Muslims, and more broadly for suppressing such speech. During the Terry Jones planned Koran-burning controversy, I heard similar calls. Such expression leads to the deaths of people, including Americans. It worsens our relations with important foreign countries. It’s intended to stir up trouble. And it’s hardly high art, or thoughtful political arguments. It’s not like it’s Satanic Verses, or even South Park or Life of Brian. Why not shut it down, and punish those who engage in it (of course, while keeping Satanic Verses and the like protected)?

    I think there are many reasons to resist such calls, but in this post I want to focus on one: I think such suppression would likely lead to more riots and more deaths, not less. Here’s why.

    Behavior that gets rewarded, gets repeated. (Relatedly, “once you have paid him the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane.”) Say that the murders in Libya lead us to pass a law banning some kinds of speech that Muslims find offensive or blasphemous, or reinterpreting our First Amendment rules to make it possible to punish such speech under some existing law.

    What then will extremist Muslims see? They killed several Americans (maybe itself a plus from their view). In exchange, they’ve gotten America to submit to their will. And on top of that, they’ve gotten back at blasphemers, and deter future blasphemy. A triple victory.

    Would this (a) satisfy them that now America is trying to prevent blasphemy, so there’s no reason to kill over the next offensive incident, or (b) make them want more such victories? My money would be on (b).

    And this is especially so since there’ll be plenty of other excuses for such killings in the future. It’s not like Muslim extremists have a clearly defined, unvarying, and limited range of speech they are willing to kill over (e.g., desecrating Korans and nothing but). Past history has already proved that; consider the bombings and murders triggered by the publication of the Satanic Verses.

    What’s more, there are lots of people in the Muslim world who are happy to stoke hostility. (Neither the recent riots nor the Mohammed cartoon riots were simply spontaneous reactions to what was done in America or Europe; they came about after people in the Middle East took steps to encourage anger on the part of their fellow Middle Easterners.) Even if something doesn’t outrage lots of people at first, some will be happy to try to explain to them why they should indeed be outraged.

    So imagine what would likely happen the next time someone writes a book like the Satanic Verses, or makes a movie — even a serious movie — depicting Mohammed, or perhaps reproduces the Mohammed cartoons in the course of making a movie about the cartoon controversy. Or imagine perhaps what might happen if extremist Muslims in the Middle East start trying to generate outrage over American Christians trying to convert some Muslims to Christianity, whether in America or using American Web sites to try to reach Middle Eastern countries.

    I don’t have statistics on how many people would be willing to riot over such conversions, but 84% of Egyptian Muslims support enacting a law providing “the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion.” If even a tiny fraction of this 84% can be persuaded to riot over Americans’ trying to persuade Muslims to leave the Muslim religion, that could be plenty of people willing to murder. (See also this example of mob attacks on churches in Egypt “stoked in part by hard-line Islamic clerics warning that Christians were trying to convert Muslim women.”)

    “Last time this happened, and our men killed four Americans, the Americans saw the light and decided to punish the blasphemers. They agreed that blasphemy must be suppressed — and yet they now shamelessly refuse to act on their promises!” (I doubt that the mob will have much of a sense of the nuances of American legal doctrine, so it’s a safe bet that they won’t know that the hypothetical new law doesn’t extend to “serious literature” or “genuine debate” or religious proselytizing; plus they might not view the Satanic Verses and the like as “serious literature” or “genuine debate.”) “Maybe the Americans forgotten what happened last time — but we haven’t. Let’s give them a taste of the same medicine that worked so well back then.”

    Now the people I’m describing of course won’t include all Muslims, or most Muslims. But events over the past decades have shown that there are enough extremist Muslims (whatever their fraction of the Muslim population might be) who are willing to riot and murder in reaction to what they see as blasphemy. Obviously this is a large enough and dangerous enough subset of Muslims that some people are willing to try to forcibly suppress American speech in order to appease them. Will our accommodating these Muslim extremists diminish that impulse, or fuel it?

    (I suppose some people might think that America’s good-faith efforts to try to suppress blasphemy would change some of the would-be rioters’ attitudes, as a gesture of goodwill towards their sensibilities. But the four murders were in Libya, a country that we had just helped save from a brutal tyrant, and were committed by Muslim extremists who were freer and more powerful as a result of our military help to the Libyan revolutionaries — if that didn’t build enough goodwill to save our people’s lives, then I don’t see how enacting a new speech restriction would.)

    So what will we do after that next round of killings? Broaden the speech restriction, so that the Satanic Verses and proselytizing of Muslims and anything else that might provoke extremist Muslim murderers would be banned, too? Or hold the line, risking infuriating the extremists even more? People tend to be more angered by what they see is a broken promise of appeasement (even if they view the promise as much broader than its actual terms) than by a stubborn refusal to deal in the first place. And of course once the American government proves willing and able to suppress some blasphemy, it will be even easier to view the American government as responsible for refusing to suppress other blasphemy.

    Moreover, this lesson — if you want to shut up the blasphemers, just kill enough Americans in response — will likely be learned not just by extremist Muslims but by others. Extremists of other religions might do the same with regard to American speech (or American behavior) that angers them. (Hindu religious riots and threats of violence seem to be limited right now to what the rioters and threateners see as provocations in India, but all it takes is for a few extremists to take the next step.) So would extremist nationalists of various nations who are angered by what American individuals or the American government is doing, or extremists of various transnational ideologies who are likewise anti-American.

    To be sure, there is already some incentive for people in these groups to riot and kill to try to get their way (as well as some disincentive). But, again, will the example of our suppressing American speech to appease extremist Muslims be ignored by those other extremists? Or will it increase their incentives to adopt the tactics that worked so well for extremist Muslims? Remember the trifecta: kill Americans, visibly force America to change its ways, and on top of that suppress the blasphemy or other behavior that you dislike, win win win. That’s a hard temptation to resist.

    That’s why it seems to me to actually be safer — not just better for First Amendment principles, but actually safer for Americans — to hold the line now, and make clear that American speech is protected even if foreigners choose to respond to it with murder. That would send the message, “murder won’t get you what you want.” Not a perfectly effective message to be sure, but a better one than “murder will get you what you want.”

    Appeasement never works.

  89. This past week has been one disgusting parade of the first world media gone amuck and they are not even hiding their bias. I am feeling quite dispirited right now. I don’t think Romney is well equipped to handle this 500 army of media lapdogs that have built a fortress around Obama. I don’t want to bash Romney like everyone else — he gets it from the left and the right. I thought if given a chance he would be the perfect antidote to Obama. But without people overtly supporting him and their overt disgust at the media bias, how does he go on? If I were him at this point in the race, I would leave in disgust and tell the electorate they can have Obama and his fucking media for another 4 years and they can all go to hell.

  90. Obama wants you to sell all your stuff and give him the money. Seriously WTF

    ——-
    This is even more derserado than asking your wedding money to go to Barry.

    What next?

    Sell kisses and lap dances for Barry?
    Bake sale for Barry?
    Sell your Life Insurance for Barry?
    Donate an organ for money for Barry?
    Sell one of your kids?


  91. This is consistent with what I said above. This is one of those times when a little common sense trumps a mountain of Harvard degrees.

    ——————————————-

    Obama now has unleashed a radical muslim monster in the Middle East. Radical Sunnis and Shias are fighting in both Syria and Iraq. Egypt is now under the sway of Islamists who, given time, will end the treaty with Israel and allow radical groups keen on attacking the West a place of safehaven and support.

    Don’t buy the lame spin that the events in Libya and Egypt this week were the result of some obscure, amateur film. This was a coordinated terrorist strike and a sad reminder that supporters of Al Qaeda can still hit us in places where the host governments provide a welcome mat for such extremists.—Larry Johnson

  92. “Much of the film was shot inside the offices of Media for Christ, a nonprofit based in the Los Angeles-area city of Duarte. The charity raised more than $1 million last year “to glow Jesus’ light” to the world.

    The Riverside County man who was a script advisor to the film and who has a long history of anti-Islamic activism told the Press-Enterprise newspaper that he has received multiple death threats.

    “I’m really tired,” Steven Klein said when he answered the door of his home in Hemet, Calif., Friday with a pistol in his hand and clad only in a pair of white shorts stained with what appeared to be ink spots.

    The newspaper said Klein, a Vietnam veteran, appeared agitated. While waving the gun, he told the newspaper he was standing up for his First Amendment rights in helping with the film and said he is prepared to die for those rights.”

  93. gonzotx
    September 15th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    wow. Looks like it doesn’t matter what country they’re in, Shariah law comes first to them. I agree with your assessment, if they can’t or refuse to live and think in a civilized world, hell send them all back to the middle east, and they can go after each other all they want, and teach their kids whatever crap they want.

  94. Obama Obama
    They all are Osama
    All those Muslims
    You claimed were our friends
    How vulgar they were
    To stage their killings
    While you were campaigning
    To partisan ends

    Obama Obama
    They all are Osama
    Iran, Hezbolla, al Quaeda attends
    You bowed to the bad guys
    You beat down the good guys
    And buried our country without any friends

    Obama Obama
    They all are Osama
    Big media applauds our impending demise
    They relish the parties
    They love the junkets
    And for that they are willing to echo your lies

    etc.

  95. Don’t buy the lame spin that the events in Libya and Egypt this week were the result of some obscure, amateur film. This was a coordinated terrorist strike [….]

    =======================

    There’s evidence that the Libyan assassination was at least semi-military political (probably using the film protests and ‘blind sheik’ protests elsewhere as distraction).

    So we might match the Danegeld above, with (quoting from memory)

    Who can doubt the secret hid
    Under Cheops’ pyramid
    Is that the contractor did
    Cheops out of several millions?

    Or from elsewhere in Kipling,

    “What Devil’s in THAT belfry?”

    Which is to say, that a group practical enough to have the weaopns and plan and execute that attack, probably have more immediate and practical motives (like personal power for themselves if they can collapse the provisional government), than any large scale vendetta against the US, either.

  96. Off course I’m with you. Trust me, I would not spend 4 years on a site of I was not
    dedicated to defeating Obama. I came here as a Hillary /Bill fan, but it is much bigger
    than the two (2) of them now. It’s about saving our country and preserving a future
    for our children. Please do not misinterpret my pessimism for Obotism.

  97. pm317
    September 15th, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    I think it was just one area, Chennai?, not sure where that is in the country, but I’m guessing its a heavy muslim area, but it was shut down very quickly, the arrests by the Indian police was pretty quick from what I’ve read.

  98. “Much of the film was shot inside the offices of Media for Christ, a nonprofit based in the Los Angeles-area city of Duarte. The charity raised more than $1 million last year “to glow Jesus’ light” to the world.
    [….]
    “I’m really tired,” Steven Klein said when he answered the door of his home in Hemet, Calif., Friday with a pistol in his hand and clad only in a pair of white shorts stained with what appeared to be ink spots.

    =========================

    Too bad he doesn’t live in New Jersey, where ON A MEDIC ALERT CHECK an elderly heart patient can be shot by police for answering the door in his underwear and a knife.

  99. jbstonefan: I hope someone smarter than the geniuses running the Romney campaign is asking himself some searching questions to determine WHY is Romney is barely running neck and neck with Obama in the polls despite the fact that Obama has been a failure on every front, and that failure will adversely affect every American.

  100. Has anyone here watched it? I watched part of it on youtube, its the most amateurish thing I’ve seen. I wonder what lies have been told in the mosques etc of all these countries? and it appears these people are more mad about some stupid short film they’ve never seen than their living conditions, lack of jobs, etc.
    The Libyan murders were in my opinion a brutal attack, a plot, all preplanned, they used the protests as a cover, but the type of weaponry they used based on the damage caused, it has to be a plot, carried out on 9/11, the way the media makes it sound its like a mob gone wide… even if a mob went wild, look at the weapons used! even if a mob gets through, they don’t have that kind of weapons, they might have knives, etc, but not the high grade weaponry that was used to basically level the place.

    And now of course, all these radicals and radical sympathizers are using the film to protest, if its not this, it’ll be some other nonsense they want to bitch and moan about.

  101. Honestly, I do not understand how the left in this country sympathizes with Islamists and CAIR, considering if these same lefties lived in Muslim countries, they would be oppressed like nothing else, and all their complaints would be silenced.

    http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2012/09/15/125-Malay-govt-holding-seminars-to-help-parents-and-teachers-spot-gay-kids.html

    So, do the lefties still want to defend this nonsense? apparently, its fine, since I hear no lefty speak out against the brutality of what these people in islamic countries preach and practice.

  102. Hello! Is Romney trying to loose in Florida? I got a pig from his campaign. It was a pink pig and I got it in the mail. WTF? I guess he does not know I am a Clinton Democrat and a woman? He could have at least made the pig a white/neutral color.

    And to top it all off they are running an ad similar to the campaign slogan of our Ugly Governor Rick Scott. 700,000 new jobs for Florida. Scott campaigned on 700,000 new jobs in seven years for Florida after he had the report saying they were already to happen anyway. Then he poured his own money into a campaign to get the Governors seat, obstruct Obamacare and avoid his own indictment on Medicare Fraud. His behavior and policies have been totally devoid of any appropriate feelings for the health and welfare of the people of Florida. He has like the lowest approval rating in the nation.

    Romney needs to appeal to Florida voters on a family and human level as well as economic or he is going to lose here. What is wrong in his campaign? They are not connecting.

    And distance himself from the Ugly Governor.

  103. How lovely. First booing Israel after removing Jerusalem from the DNC platform, now this… the dems really have “transformed” in the last 4 years. Maybe she was one of the people booing at the convention 2 weeks ago, wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

    I don’t remember ever a sitting senator going after the leader of another country, who was an ally of ours.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-senator-lashes-out-at-netanyahu-for-attacking-obama-on-iran/

    “Barbara Boxer, a top Jewish U.S. senator and the sponsor of major pro-Israel legislation, blasted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for lashing out at President Obama on Iran.

    “I write to you as one of Israel’s staunchest supporters in Congress to express my deep disappointment over your remarks that call into question our country’s support for Israel and commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons,” Boxer (D-Calif.) said in a letter sent Wednesday in a rare instance of a pro-Israel lawmaker making public an unhappiness with an Israeli leader. “Your remarks are utterly contrary to the extraordinary United States-Israel alliance, evidenced by President Obama’s record and the record of Congress.”

    Boxer apparently was referring to Netanyahu’s remarks in Jerusalem on Tuesday in which he decried a lack of clarity from the “international community” — seen in Israel as code for the Obama administration — for failing to make clear what would trigger a U.S. strike on Iran as that country reportedly nears obtaining a nuclear weapon.

    “The world tells Israel, ‘Wait, there’s still time’,” Netanyahu said in English at a ceremony in which he greeted Bulgaria’s prime minister. “And I say, ‘Wait for what? Wait until when?’ Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.””

  104. Lu4PUMA
    ****

    Walker won by 14 points in a recall that Dems and Unions put in millions of millions of dollars to oust him.

    WI loves Walker!

  105. tim
    September 15th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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    This is the kind of thing people like me are afraid of. Saudis and Pakistanis will be very happy infiltrating and corrupting the Indian Muslims. Imagine what a payback they can have and what havoc they can cause if they turn even a miniscule percentage of Indian Muslims?

  106. pm317, India is predominately Hindu, is that correct? is it like 80% hindu, and then 15% muslim, and 5% christian? do you know the makeup?

  107. well, better get other work done. Honestly, if people are still stupid to vote this fool back in, I won’t even get mad anymore, I’m just going to stock up on food, grow my garden, not even consider going back into business, and just wait for the collapse, because that is what is coming. And i’ll just watch how long the MSM will carry water for Oturd. I read a great article a while back, wish I had saved it, something to the effect, OTurd isn’t just the problems, its the fools who vote for him, they are the bigger problem.

  108. ” I wonder what lies have been told in the mosques etc of all these countries?”

    Yes. I’ve been posting about the ‘Arab Limbaugh’ who publicized this trailer, starting the fuss. I wonder if the recent Arab translation was even accurate. (Similarly, the worst of the cartoon flap was started by some Arab clergyman who circulated really dirty pictures that were nothing like the actual cartoons.)

    “The Libyan murders were in my opinion a brutal attack, a plot, all preplanned, they used the protests as a cover, but the type of weaponry they used based on the damage caused, it has to be a plot, carried out on 9/11, the way the media makes it sound its like a mob gone wide… even if a mob went wild, look at the weapons used! even if a mob gets through, they don’t have that kind of weapons, they might have knives, etc, but not the high grade weaponry that was used to basically level the place.”

    Very likely. So, what WAS the attackers’ motive? The obvious result is to cause trouble for the provisional government which Hillary supports, and perhaps to get the US to withdraw aid.

  109. Saudis and Pakistanis will be very happy infiltrating and corrupting the Indian Muslims. Imagine what a payback they can have and what havoc they can cause if they turn even a miniscule percentage of Indian Muslims?

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    This suggests that in Muslim behavior, cultural factors may be more important than Islam per se.

  110. Boxer condems Netayahu while Rome burns. It is truly a perverted world where our Prez and a prominent senator condem the leader of a democracy and ignore the
    atrocities going on around them. It is the USA interfering with Israel’s right to defend itself. If Netanyahu had any confidence that Obama really would stop Iran from becomming a nuclear power he would not feel do distressed. Bibi has a responsibility to protect his people, the Jewish people, from another holocaust. Obama ‘s weakness
    has made it abundantly clear to Tehran that he has no intention of stopping their nuclear ambitions. Boxer’s covering from Obama is appalling and shows you how the liberal Jew is more concerned with keeping an AA as president than saving our homeland.

  111. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/14/powers_wheres_media_outrage_over_black_flags_being_raised.html

    Democratic analyst Kirsten Powers discusses the turmoil in the Middle East with FOX News’ Megyn Kelly.

    MEGYN KELLY: Kirsten, you wound up having the Obama administration and Mitt Romney agreeing that the embassy statement was not appropriate, and yet the whole media narrative yesterday was how awful Gov. Romney was for pointing it out.

    KIRSTEN POWERS: Oh yeah. It’s still the media narrative. And the thing is, the outrage that has been expressed over the fact that Mitt Romney put out this statement has even overshadowed any kind of outrage that you would see over the fact that you have Islamic flags being hoisted over American embassies, the fact that an American ambassador is dead. You just are not seeing the same level of outrage over just the process of what time he put the statement out. It is just absolutely, utterly insane the way that they have elevated this.

    And even if we stipulated, Megyn, let’s just stipulate that, for the sake of argument, Romney shouldn’t have done it. I don’t agree with that. It still would not explain the obsession with Romney’s statement over these horrific events that are unfolding.

    KELLY: When you’re detecting media, potential media bias, you look back at what would the media have done if this had happened on George Bush’s watch, if we had had these attacks on the embassies and the consulates.

    POWERS: Yeah. It would have been completely radically different. Like I said, even if you agree that Mitt Romney did something wrong, OK, look at that, but then let’s also look at the Obama administration. It was just radio silence. They allowed that statement to stay up on an embassy website, which is taken as the official position of the U.S. government. Someone was tweeting from the official account, and they didn’t come out and say a word. So, what’s that about? Why didn’t they know that these attacks were coming? Was Obama getting his intelligence briefings? These are the issues that should be being asked and would be being asked if this had happened on George Bush’s watch.

  112. JBStonesFan:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html

    Armada of British naval power massing in the Gulf as Israel prepares an Iran strike
    An armada of US and British naval power is massing in the Persian Gulf in the belief that Israel is considering a pre-emptive strike against Iran’s covert nuclear weapons programme.

    Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

    Western leaders are convinced that Iran will retaliate to any attack by attempting to mine or blockade the shipping lane through which passes around 18 million barrels of oil every day, approximately 35 per cent of the world’s petroleum traded by sea.

    A blockade would have a catastrophic effect on the fragile economies of Britain, Europe the United States and Japan, all of which rely heavily on oil and gas supplies from the Gulf.

    The Strait of Hormuz is one of the world’s most congested international waterways. It is only 21 miles wide at its narrowest point and is bordered by the Iranian coast to the north and the United Arab Emirates to the south.

    In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise.

  113. jbstonesfan: this speaks to your concerns. Romney needs to stop playing it safe, and go for the gold. Pulzerize the fucking press, guts them and shit down their neck. Yes, I know, that is not him. But his campaign should do that. He is losing at the moment and time is running out. He needs to become a strong advocate of reform and present big ideas. There is no excuse for him to be in the position he is in now. As Kimberly says:

    “The tragedy is that Romney isn’t a blank check (but that is how he is coming across at the moment). He has a hearty reform agenda. But his decision to play it safe–to be the crouching, hiding Romney prevents him from harnessing the American hunger for political change. . . Americans respond well to a-b-c explanations of reform. (Here is what is wrong, here is my policy to fix it, here is how it will work; here is the good that will come of it). Were Mr. Romney to apply this formula to health care, food stamps, entitlements, and college loans he would be winning.” . . . The press embarrassed itself this week by flaying Romney’s criticism of the State Department while giving a pass to Obama who flew to a campaign event in Las Vegas. The press goal is to let Romney know what is in store for him if he runs anything more than a mediocre campaign. If he gets spooked by that he is done.”

    That is all very true, and I would add only this. The finish line is not November Mitt. The finish line is reached when people make up their minds and stop listening to you. On that score Mitt, it is later than you think. You need to be bold.

  114. Deadly stuff from the editor of the Wall Street Journal. (As flies to wanton boys are we to gods. They kill us for their sport)

    Bernanke Unbounded
    The Fed enters a brave new world of unlimited monetary easing.
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    So much for fears that the Federal Reserve might disappoint Wall Street. Chairman Ben Bernanke and his music men at the Fed’s Open Market Committee put on their party hats Thursday and unleashed an unlimited program of monetary easing. The move exceeded even Wall Street’s expectations, but whether it will help the real economy in the long term is doubtful.

    This is the Fed’s third round of quantitative easing (QE3) since the 2008 panic, and the difference this time is that Ben is unbounded. The Fed said it will keep interest rates at near-zero “at least through mid-2015,” which is six months longer than its previous vow. The bigger news is that the Fed announced another round of asset purchases—only this time as far as the eye can see.

    The Fed will start buying $40 billion of additional mortgage assets a month, with a goal of further reducing long-term interest rates. But if “the labor market does not improve substantially,” as the central bankers put it, the Fed will plunge ahead and buy more assets. And if that doesn’t work, it will buy still more. And if . . .

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    The Fed statement paid lip service to pursuing its “dual mandate” of controlling inflation and reducing unemployment, but no one should be fooled. The Fed has declared that it is going all-in to cut the jobless rate, no matter what it takes.

    “We have to do more, and we’ll do enough to make sure the economy gets on the right track,” Mr. Bernanke declared at his Thursday press conference. That bravado contradicts the Chairman’s by now routine caveat that monetary policy “is no panacea” and can’t save the economy by itself, but no matter. He’s going to try.

    Will it work? Mr. Bernanke recently offered a scholarly defense of his extraordinary policy actions since 2008, and there’s no doubt that QE1 was necessary in the heat of the panic. We supported it at the time. The returns on QE2 in 2010-2011 and the Fed’s other actions look far sketchier, even counterproductive.

    QE2 succeeded in lifting stocks for a time, but it also lifted other asset prices, notably commodities and oil. The Fed’s QE2 goal was to conjure what economists call “wealth effects,” or a greater propensity to spend and invest as consumers and businesses see the value of their stock holdings rise. But the simultaneous increase in commodity prices lifted food and energy prices, which raised costs for businesses and made consumers feel poorer.

    These “income effects” countered Mr. Bernanke’s wealth effects, and the proof is that growth in the real economy decelerated in 2011. It decelerated again this year amid Operation Twist. When does the Fed take some responsibility for policies that fail in their self-professed goal of spurring growth, rather than blaming everyone else while claiming to be the only policy hero?

    Then there are the real and potential costs of endless easing, three of which Mr. Bernanke addressed at his Thursday press conference. He said Americans shouldn’t complain about getting a pittance of interest on their savings because they’ll benefit in the long term from a better economy spurred by low rates. Retirees might retort that they know what Lord Keynes said about the long term.

    Mr. Bernanke was also as slippery as a politician in claiming that his policies don’t promote deficit spending because the Fed earns interest on the bonds it buys and hands that as revenue to the Treasury. Yes, but its near-zero policy also disguises the real interest-payment burden of running serial $1.2 trillion deficits, while creating a debt-repayment cliff when interest rates inevitably rise. Does he really think Congress would spend as much if he weren’t making the cost of government borrowing essentially free?

    The third cost is the risk of future inflation, which Mr. Bernanke accurately said hasn’t strayed too far above the Fed’s 2% “core inflation” target. That conveniently ignores the run-up in food and energy prices, which consumers pay even if the Fed discounts them in its own “core” calculations.

    The deeper into exotic monetary easing the Fed goes, the harder it will also be to unwind in a timely fashion. Mr. Bernanke says not to worry, he has the tools and the will to pull the trigger before inflation builds.

    That’s what central bankers always say. But good luck picking the right moment, which may be before prices are seen to be rising but also before the expansion has begun to lift middle-class incomes. That’s one more Bernanke Cliff the economy will eventually face—maybe after Ben has left the Eccles Building.

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    Given the proximity to the Presidential election, the Fed move can’t be divorced from its political implications. Mr. Bernanke forswore any partisan motives on Thursday, and we’ll give him the benefit of the personal doubt. But by goosing stock prices, and thus lifting the short-term economic mood, the Fed has surely provided President Obama an in-kind re-election contribution.

    The irony is that, with this historic and open-ended easing, Mr. Bernanke is also tacitly admitting how lousy the Obama-Bernanke economy really is. For all the back-slapping by the Fed and the White House about how they’ve saved us from a Great Depression, four years later the Fed is acknowledging that the recovery is rotten, that job creation stinks, and that their policies haven’t helped the middle class. But, hey, it’s great for Wall Street.

  115. I had to come back to ask a question.. I’ve donated $$ to several Senate candidates, many of them are fiscal conservative. However, it was to them directly, not a PAC. Well, today I receive an email from Todd Akin’s camp, I’ve never donated to him or anyone in MO, I was planning on donating to whoever is running against Claire “my kids told me to vote for” Mcshakill, however I will not donate a cent to that idiot Akin.
    What I want to know, is how he got my email? I know the email had to have been gotten thru one of the other candidates I’ve already donated to.
    I still get emails from the DNC, and DCCC, but its probably because my wife is in the process of changing her registration. But I no longer get any from indiv dem candidates.

    I ended up unsubscribing that email from Akin, what an idiot, a completely winnable seat, and the loser goes around talking about the “party bosses”, the campaign manager sounds like its either his brother or son, the last name was the same.

    What a sad loss, a completely winnable seat.

  116. tim
    September 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    well, better get other work done. Honestly, if people are still stupid to vote this fool back in, I won’t even get mad anymore, I’m just going to stock up on food, grow my garden, not even consider going back into business, and just wait for the collapse, because that is what is coming. And i’ll just watch how long the MSM will carry water for Oturd. I read a great article a while back, wish I had saved it, something to the effect, OTurd isn’t just the problems, its the fools who vote for him, they are the bigger problem.
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    The wall street friend I had dinner with the other night is certain that this economy will collapse if Obama is re elected. 100% certain. In preparation for that eventuality, wealthy people are putting billions into foreign banks. The idea is to avoid the collapse and then reinvest at the new bottom. You just cannot pay off a 16-20-25 trillion dollar debt. And what Bernake is doing will result in drastic uncontrolled inflation. That too is certain. He commented that as special assistant to the President of Citi Bank, he foersaw the housing collapse in 1987,–not enough buyers for the homes when the baby boomers retired/ 5 years later Soleman brothers figured it out, and instead of pulling in their horns, they did the opposite, lowered interest rates, and enticed weak pockets to invest. Where he admitted he was wrong was in thinking it would come to a head a decade sooner than it did. He said he underestimated the ability of Wall Street accountants to forestall the collapse for years though accounting chicaneries, which amount to eggregious malpractice. If Obama is re elected thousands of people will leave the country, like they did on the Titanic.

  117. wbboei
    September 15th, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    There will be no point of return from this. There will be massive inflation in the next few years, and there be a deeper continuing recession by the end of this year, beginning of next year. Every person I know, there revenues are plummeting, not by 1-2%, but 7-8%, which quarter to quarter is a massive drop.

    Inflation, the buying power cut massively, and recession, low growth. 4 more years of OTurd, at some point the voters will wake up, hugely, I remember with Bush it was after Katrina, if Oturd gets in again, when will it be? who knows, but I do think it won’t just be against him, but also the MSM that so blatantly protects him

    Read this…

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/last-sane-person-fed-more-easing-will-not-lead-growth-would-lead-inflation

    and

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/who-lying-federal-reserve-or-federal-reserve-and-why-stalin-lost

  118. I simply don’t understand how someone so successful as Romney can’t see that the
    current strategy of his campaign is not working. If he is concerned that he is going to
    be called a racist, it’s already happening daily. Take off the gloves Mitt and fight to win
    this election . Our future depends on it!!!

  119. wbboei
    September 15th, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    100% accurate. the 2 links I posted, the second one shows how during Truman’s time they tried the same thing. It didn’t work, fortunately at that time, America had a strong manufacturing base, most people were working, and there was no debt, it was a upward moving country.

    That will not happen this time, less & less people working, as you stated 20-25 trillion cannot be ever paid back, so this country will collapse, essentially there will be a new world’s reserve currency, some sort of SDR, and people in the MSM will act surprised, not realizing this was bound to happen. And standard of living will plummet for those in the middle class, upper middle class.
    Unfortunately, people think this is just a theory, it isn’t, no country can accumulate this much debt and still be a leader, have their currency as the reserve. Not going to happen.
    How will it unfold, I honestly have no idea, expect it will 100% unfold.

  120. gonzotx
    September 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Lu4PUMA
    ****

    Walker won by 14 points in a recall that Dems and Unions put in millions of millions of dollars to oust him.

    WI loves Walker!
    —————————————-

    WI can keep Walker if they want him. Florida is a way different situation. After years of Jeb Bush, we had the second lowest paid state workers in the country and Rick Scott is cutting more. Education and health and environmental protections.

    Rick Scott is polling around 20-30% approval and is a total freak. Romney needs to DISSASSOCIATE!!!!

  121. for those who are not in finance… this was extremely easy to understand.
    we watched as a team training exercise and the econ professor said it was very very close to the truth…
    The Collapse of The American Dream Explained in Animation: http://youtu.be/mII9NZ8MMVM

    it really is worth watching folks.

  122. Bibi: You want these fanatics to have nuclear weapons?”

    Obama: I will hold a beer summit with them and get them to give up their weapons in exchange for cash.

    Big Media: Never one to take no for an answer, our beloved messiah has extended the hand of friendship to the fanatics, and shown them a better path to the future. Vote for peace loving Obama, not that warmonger, Israel coddler and antediluvian Romney. (Psssssssssst: messiah, is that what you wanted us to say?)

  123. jbstonesfan
    September 15th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
    I simply don’t understand how someone so successful as Romney can’t see that the
    current strategy of his campaign is not working. If he is concerned that he is going to
    be called a racist, it’s already happening daily. Take off the gloves Mitt and fight to win
    this election . Our future depends on it!!!
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    He had an authoritarian father or so I am told. What made him successful in business was smarts and the ability to select good people, something the incumbent sorely lacks. I have known a Mormon or two in my time, and the ones I have known have tended to be sedate rules driven people–good people but not Chicago animals who bear a striking resemblance to Felix Derzinsky–the CHEKA does not judge, it strikes. To counter these sugb-humans species you need someone who smiles, laughs and then gouges their eyes out–like John S.

  124. tim
    September 15th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
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    The other thing the wall street banker said to me when I was writing the paper on Soros, who is keen to kill the dollar and substitute an international currency in its place, is that when/if the dollar loses its reserve currency status, then we will lose the ability to export our inflation to the rest of the world. So what you have converging on the economic scene is several storm cells, and when they collide, we will have a meltdown which we have not seen since the fall of the House of Barta. Naturally, I hope he is wrong, but it is hard to see it any other way, if Obama is re elected. The first thing Romney should do when he is elected is fire Bernake–get that absent minded professor as far away from the financial controls as possible. Lock him in a padded cell with Greenspan et ux if you must but get him somewhere where he can do no further harm to the American People. Read between the lines of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, and you will get a keen sense of what they think of this jerk off.

  125. I think the Muslim population in India is 12% and I think it is the second largest next to Indonesia.

    ======================

    So maybe it is not just their beliefs that are responsible for their different actions?

  126. Mitt Romney five percent lead by unskewed Gallup poll data

    http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-five-percent-lead-by-unskewed-gallup-poll-data

    This Examiner report shows how to deal with pollster biases. It takes Gallup poll numbers (which oversamples Dems by 8%), shows its internals, applies Rasmussen breakouts (D/R/I 33.3/37.6/29.2) and reinterprets the results.
    Most of the polls that we see oversample Dems by 5 to 10 points, which is quite unrealeastic.

    Denver Post did a poll for Colorado a few days ago showing Romney leading by 4 points. They used a D/R/I breakout of
    34/34/30, which is also reasonable. So if you are citing a poll, always give the internals so we can adjust and analyze the numbers. I think Romney pollsters should speak out on this type of pollster biases. Pat Cadell (Jimmy Carter’s pollster, but a now reformed anti-Dem) has. Conservative bloggers also have written about this.

    So if we apply this technique consistently, we can say Romney has a lead of 4 to 5 points. Those Boston guys know this and they are not panicking. And we shouldn’t either.

    From Examiner…

    The Gallup seven day tracking poll of the presidential race released today shows Mitt Romney behind President Obama by a 49 percent to 44 margin. The seven day tracking poll of 3050 registered voters, that has a margin of error of 2.0 percent, samples Democrats by about a 8 percent margin based on calculations from the reported data. If the data is properly weighted for the partisan makeup of the electorate, the data from this poll unskewed would show a Romney lead of 49 percent to 44. By skewing the poll, it gives Obama a five point lead instead of showing Romney leading by the same total.

    The sampling used by Gallup differs with the partisan data measured from hundreds of thousands of voters by Rasmussen Reports, which measures the partisan percentages at 37.6 percent Republicans, 33.3 percent Democrats and 29.2 percent independents. This indicates a degree of over-sampling of Democrats by eight percent, a plus four margin for Democrats as opposed to the plus four margin of Republicans among the likely voting electorate.

    The Gallup tracking poll has Democrats favoring Obama by a 90 percent to seven percent margin while Republicans surveyed in the poll favor Romney by a 91 percent to six percent margin. ARG found independent voters to support Romney by a 43 percent to 42 percent edge.

  127. Those who think he had it coming because of probation are sticking their heads in the sand.

    He wasn’t hounded because he violated probation. He was persecuted because he made a video that the federal government is upset with.

    Regardless of the “how” they are justifying their actions, the “why” is completely clear.

    If you use his, please use my name. I refuse to be bullied by those who would use force to silence, be they terrorists or my own government.
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    Instapundit is usually pretty sharp. For example, their editor predicted that Justice Roberts would fall on his sword, when most other people doubted this would happen. But here, he misses the finer point. The reason the federal government has chosen to harass this individual is not because he produced a video they were upset with. The reason they harassed him, with the able assistance of big media was to reinforce in the public mind that the cause for the cascade of violence across the middle east was because of this stupid video, and thereby distract the public mind from the real cause which was the collapse of Obama’s naive utopian and destined to fail foreign policy. This is right out of George Orwell. That is what this stunt if about. It is an extension of the campaign.

  128. If you want to live in a society run by the rules of Orwell, where big brother is watching, then by all means vote for Obama. Here are the rules Obama will lay down in a second term. How do I know? They are de rigeur behavior of the hard left, and that is what he is:

    1. Pure Power:

    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”

    2. Erroneous Thought:

    “We are not content with negative obedience, nor even with the most abject submission. When finally you surrender to us, it must be of your own free will. We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us; so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. We burn all evil and all illusion out of him; we bring him over to our side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. We make him one of ourselves before we kill him. It is intolerable to us that an erroneous thought should exist anywhere in the world, however secret and powerless it may be. Even in the instance of death we cannot permit any deviation . . . we make the brain perfect before we blow it out.”

    3. Perfect Unity:

    “The ideal set up by the Party was something huge, terrible, and glittering—a world of steel and concrete, of monstrous machines and terrifying weapons—a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting—three hundred million people all with the same face.”

    4. The Ecstasy of Fear:

    “A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one’s will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.”

    5. Thought Police:

    “There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.”

    6. The Future:

    “We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”

  129. I used to think that Matthews was sort of on the fringe of big media. I mean he is a rabid albino geek who screams and spits in all directions and accuses every opponent of Obama of being a racist, etc etc etc. I know realize how wrong I was about that. He is not on the fringe of big media he is smack dab in the middle of it. More Goebbels than Cronkite–all for one and one for all, i.e. group think.

    Saturday Night Card Game (When Chris Matthews says Romney is “arrogant” what he means is …)
    Posted by William A. Jacobson Saturday, September 15, 2012 at 6:20pm
    2 7 Come on Chris, just say that Mitt Romney is whipping up racism. You spent almost the entire RNC doing that. It’s your claim to fame, your reason to be on television, your destiny.

    Why are you being so coy now, calling Romney “arrogant” for challenging Obama, as if no political candidate has had a multi-presidential election cycle plan.

    We know that when you say Romney was “arrogant” to challenge Obama, what you mean is that Romney doesn’t think a black man can or should be President.

    Don’t make us figure it out, Chris.

    We’re so busy responding to Romney’s dog whistles that we don’t have the energy to figure out yours.

  130. A few other wise words of warning by Thomas Jefferson:

    “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
    “A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither.”
    “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”
    “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
    ————————————
    Nial Ferguson has a strange article which I will not bother to post. He dislikes Obama, but reads the polls to say that Obama is winning. The Republican strategy assumes that the economy is the main issue. But if that is true, and assuming the polls have any legitimacy which most do not, then the explanation must lie elsewhere. Nial attributes this to the prototypical voter. He says, in effect, that the prototypical has no idea how Obama is undermining their liberty and their financial security, but instead they find him personally more engaging than Romney and will vote for him on that shallow, stupid basis. He notes that single women particularly support Obama, and I believe the explanation for this is many of them he is their ghost lover and sugar daddy. I hope Nial is wrong in this instance, because if he is not then I have wasted the last four years, and the time has come to make plans to emigrate somewhere else. If we get Obama again, then its over.

  131. A few other wise words of warning by Thomas Jefferson:

    “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
    “A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither.”
    “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”
    “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

  132. VotingHillary
    September 16th, 2012 at 12:05 am
    Oh, man, did Bibi let Dick Gregory have it on this one. Of course, it is a web-only video.

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/meet-the-press/49047122#49047122
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    Forty years ago, I read a book by Kissinger in which he said the challenge we will face in the future will come not from bureacratic societies who have a vested interest in their own survival and the world that exists. The existential threat will come from emerging societies whose players are less concerned with the world that exists, and more concerned about the world they are willing to die to bring about. Political calculations which are based on cold logic, hold little sway with these people. The thing they are more likely to understand is overwhelming force directed at their throat.

  133. I think we have found the missing link. The Neanderthal head and the eyes too close together and that shock of white hair reminiscent of Arthur Fiedler of the Boston Pops. Yes, you guessed it, David Gregory—give the man a cupie doll. He is only 42 and looks 62. He is married to a man or woman who was an executive vice president with fanny mae. Yet another example of just how incestuous the big media–government connection really is.

  134. I dont’ even know where to start with this one.
    ____________________________________________________

    First lady Michelle Obama said her biggest personal health fear is triggered by her father’s multiple sclerosis.

    “If I’m honest with myself, I think probably because my father had MS and he contracted it at the prime of his life – I worry about those sudden illnesses that may be genetically linked that you don’t have any control over,” she said in a pre-taped interview that aired Wednesday on “The Dr. Oz Show,” a syndicated, daytime talk show. “That would be probably something that’s looming.”

    Obama also spoke about her father, who died in 1991, and his painful battle with MS in her speech to the Democratic National Convention this month.

    Her fears of MS provide an interesting comparison to the woman married to the man challenging President Obama’s reelection. Ann Romney was diagnosed with MS in 1998, and has frequently spoken of it in interviews and on the campaign trail. The disease is now in remission. The causes of MS are still unknown.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/249109-michelle-obama-opens-up-about-fears-of-ms

  135. Lu4PUMA
    September 15th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    *********************

    Scott’s favorables will go up when his polices show positive effect, and they will. Same thing happened in WI. You may not like it but we have to get a hold of our budgets. Public sector workers with high paying jobs and benny’s are going to be a thing of the past.

  136. Forty years ago, I read a book by Kissinger in which he said the challenge we will face in the future will come not from bureacratic societies who have a vested interest in their own survival and the world that exists. The existential threat will come from emerging societies whose players are less concerned with the world that exists, and more concerned about the world they are willing to die to bring about. Political calculations which are based on cold logic, hold little sway with these people. The thing they are more likely to understand is overwhelming force directed at their throat.

    =======================

    That could explain why we got attacked by them 15 years later. Force at the throat breeds revenge.

    Still, the nations he’s talking about, may have a lower class that’s “concerned about the world they are willing to die to bring about” — but an upper class who has had many generations of looking out for their own family’s interest behind the scenes of political ups and downs.

  137. The Riverside County man who was a script advisor to the film and who has a long history of anti-Islamic activism told the Press-Enterprise newspaper that he has received multiple death threats.

    “I’m really tired,” Steven Klein said when he answered the door of his home in Hemet, Calif., Friday with a pistol in his hand and clad only in a pair of white shorts stained with what appeared to be ink spots.

    The newspaper said Klein, a Vietnam veteran, appeared agitated. While waving the gun, he told the newspaper he was standing up for his First Amendment rights in helping with the film and said he is prepared to die for those rights.”

    ========================

    Perhaps some Stalky will insult Klein and provoke him to violence against RabbitsEggs. Then Klein can be jailed and we can all condemn Klein for violence, while defending Stalky as innocently standing up for First Amendment rights.

  138. Tea Party devotees have to be loving this validation:

    The Federal Reserve is Terrified of the Tea Party – Business Insider
    …The accumulated evidence, in other words, clearly favored restraint – at least some restraint – of a nature that would give the Fed more ‘Reserve’ (no pun intended) at a time when markets were probably about as favorably disposed as possible to a little medium disappointment without imploding.
    That’s the logic. And yet, ‘neutral accomodative’ ain’t what we got…..
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-federal-reserve-is-terrified-of-the-tea-party-2012-9

    Now consider US Senator Bob Casey from PA [like every other Dem] is basing a large part of his campaign against Toms Smith on trashing the TP. A Casey email dated 8/24 says in part “…Voters have a right to know what our opponent Tom Smith meant when he said he was a “Tea Party guy.” That’s why we’ve launched www dot teapartytomsmith.com – a website that highlights Tom Smith’s extreme record. Not only did Tea Party Tom Smith start his own Tea Party group – he’s hit the campaign trail pushing a divisive agenda that is in lockstep with the Tea Party and out of step with Pennsylvania. In fact, Smith has embraced all of the Tea Party’s extreme policies – from ending Medicare as we know it to privatizing Social Security. He’s even put his support behind a tax plan that would cut taxes on the wealthiest while raising taxes on Pennsylvania’s working families….”

    Casey and Obama. Still BFF’s.

  139. Jimmy Carter was (is) a decent man. He just took on a job that was too big for him. He was incompetent, but his intentions were good.

    Obama is evil! His intention is to destroy western culture, Christianity, Israel and especially America!

  140. admin
    September 15th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
    GonzoTx, Lu4Puma wrote about Florida, not Wisconsin.
    ***************

    Your right. LOL.Sorry Lu

  141. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/09/10/poll-shows-obama-getting-lowest-jewish-support-since-jimmy-carter-vote/

    Poll Shows Obama Getting Lowest Jewish Support Since Carter
    Jonathan S. Tobin
    09.10.2012 – 6:40 PM

    President Obama may be enjoying a slight, if likely temporary, bounce in the polls this week. But one of the surveys showing him with a lead in a tight race over Mitt Romney also provides a breakdown of the data that confirms predictions that he is losing up to a quarter of the Jewish votes he got in 2008. The Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor/TIPP Poll gives a breakdown of religion along with other demographic groups and shows Obama leading among Jews by a margin of 59 to 35 percent with six percent undecided. While that is still a majority it is a dramatic decline from the 78 percent of the Jewish vote he got four years ago.

    Obama has a 46-44 percent lead over Romney in the TIPP poll. That means Obama is suffering from a decline in support throughout the electorate from his 2008 victory when he won 53 percent of the vote. But the president’s loss of approximately 25 percent of Jewish voters this year is not matched by a similar decline in any other demographic group. Indeed even in the unlikely event that Obama was to win almost all of the undecided voters in the survey, that would barely match Michael Dukakis’ 64 percent of Jewish votes in 1988. Far more likely is a result that would leave the president with the lowest total of Jewish votes since 1980 when Jimmy Carter received 45 percent in a three-way race with Ronald Reagan and John Anderson. While some losses in Jewish support could be put down to disillusionment with his economic policies that is shared across the board, the only conceivable explanation for this far greater than average loss of Jewish votes is the administration’s difficult relationship with Israel.

    Over the past year, Jewish Democrats have scoffed at predictions of a dramatic loss of support for Obama. The president’s attitude toward Israel was a major issue in the special election in New York’s 9th Congressional District and allowed Republican Bob Turner to steal a long-time Democratic stronghold with a disproportionately large Jewish population. But Democrats dismissed that result as an outlier and have been predicting that the president, who has conducted an election year charm offensive toward Jewish voters after three years of constant fights with Israel, would recoup any potential losses by Election Day.

    Given the fact that a majority of Jews identify as liberals, the Republican Party’s social conservatism would seem to set up Romney for the same shellacking among Jewish voters that every GOP candidate has received since 1988. Instead, the TIPP poll shows him threatening to rival Ronald Reagan’s modern record set in 1980 when he won 39 percent of Jewish votes, the most ever by Republican since World War One. Since it is unreasonable to assume that Jews are any more riled up about the economy than any other faith or demographic group, the only possible explanation for this stunning result is dissatisfaction with Obama on Israel.

    While Jews constitute a tiny portion of the total electorate anything close to a 59-35 percent result could have a major impact on the outcome in Florida with its large Jewish community. But it could also be meaningful elsewhere, especially if states like Pennsylvania or Ohio turn out to be close.

    This problem was highlighted by last week’s fiasco at the Democratic National Convention when pro-Israel language was first removed from the party’s platform and then clearly not supported by the majority of delegates when some of it was put back into the document. The spectacle of the majority of Democratic delegates on the flower booing when both God and Jerusalem were put back into their platform will linger with viewers. Though Jewish Democrats like Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Deborah Wasserman Schultz have sought to dismiss this incident as a non-story, the TIPP poll illustrates its importance.

    For decades, Jewish Republicans have sought a GOP candidate who could equal Reagan’s achievement but they were mistaken. They needed a Democratic opponent like Jimmy Carter and in President Obama they may well have found one.

  142. I say we don’t ask. We tell them we ARE and if they don’t like it, we leave and NO MONEY.See how fast they reconsider!

    Sudan rejects U.S. request to send Marines to guard embassy

    (Reuters) – Sudan has rejected a U.S. request to send a platoon of Marines to bolster security at the U.S. embassy outside Khartoum, the state news agency SUNA said on Saturday.

    On Friday, around 5,000 people protested against a film that insults the Prophet Mohammad, storming the German embassy before breaking into the U.S. mission.

    They also attacked the British embassy. At least two people were killed in clashes with police, according to state media.

    A U.S. official told Reuters on Friday that Washington would send Marines to Sudan to improve security at the embassy, which is located outside Khartoum for security reasons.

    “Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps,” Sudanese Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Karti told SUNA.

    The U.S. State Department declined to comment.

    Sudan beefed up security at some missions on Saturday. A riot police truck was parked in front of the deserted German embassy, which protesters had set on fire on Friday. An Islamic flag raised by the crowd was still flying. Three officers manned the main gate.

    More than 20 police officers were sitting in front of the U.S. embassy.

    The film, which depicts Mohammad as a womanizer and charlatan, was made in the United States, and Muslim outrage has led to crowds assaulting U.S. diplomatic missions in a number of Arab countries.

    Sudan has also criticized Germany for allowing a protest last month by right-wing activists carrying caricatures of Mohammad, and for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s award in 2010 to a Danish cartoonist who had depicted the prophet, triggering unrest across the Islamic world.

    President Omar Hassan al-Bashir has been under pressure from Islamists who feel the government has given up the religious values of his 1989 Islamist coup.

    The Sudanese government had called for protests against the film, but peaceful ones. U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration said it had nothing to do with the movie, which is little more than an amateurish video clip and appears to have been made in California.

  143. If this were a foreign-policy election, a simple ad with Obama’s Cairo speech followed by footage from this week would be damning.

  144. Libyan president: ‘No doubt’ consulate attack was ‘preplanned’ starting months ago.

    Ambassador Rice: Libya Attack NOT Premeditated…Film to blame

    Rice’s account directly contradicts that of Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf, who said this weekend that the attack was premeditated by individuals from outside Libya.

    “It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” told CBS News.

    Rice said there were no Marines present to protect the consulate in Libya, saying the U.S. presence there is “relatively new” since the revolution that overthrew former dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

    “There are not Marines in every facility. That depends on the circumstances. That depends on the requirements,” Rice said. “Our presence in Tripoli, as in Benghazi, is relatively new, as you will recall. We’ve been back post-revolution only for a matter of months.”

    But Rice said there was a “substantial security presence” at the consulate in Benghazi, noting that two of the four Americans killed there were providing security.

    “We certainly are aware that Libya is a place where there have been increasingly some violent incidents,” Rice said. “The security personnel that the State Department thought were required were in place… It obviously didn’t prove sufficient to the – the nature of the attack and sufficient in that – in that moment.”

    “But the president has been very clear. The protection of American personnel and facilities is and will remain our top priority,” Rice added. “That’s why we’ve reinforced our presence in Tripoli and elsewhere.”

    …………………………..

    Rice is a lying POS.

  145. WHY is Romney is barely running neck and neck with Obama in the polls despite the fact that Obama has been a failure on every front, and that failure will adversely affect every American.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    Several reasons first that is some powerful Koolade.
    Second some DIMs vote Party line.
    Third FREE STUFF
    four the lying Obamedia.
    and Five the Polls are Wrong!!!! 😯

  146. Libyan president: ‘No doubt’ consulate attack was ‘preplanned’ starting months ago.

    Ambassador Rice: Libya Attack NOT Premeditated…Film to blame

    ———

    If they deny it was an attack and BLAME it on some unknown film maker, they won’t be held accountable for their lapses and failures (they think) and the media does not have to talk about Obama missing his intelligence briefing… Unfortunately Hillary is peddling the same line.

  147. Apparently an ignorant woman like Amb. Rice hasn’t figured out or bothered to read any real news, the Libyan govt just put out a report saying the Benghazai attack was indeed an al-queda event.

    and now she says “we’re no impotent”, well how about just competent?

    VIDEO: Amb Rice–“we’re not impotent” tinyurl.com/8r527um

    So, do we no longer have people who are on America’s side? Seems more and more like it and they’re in the leadership roles of this country.

  148. tim
    September 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Actually Fox is reporting he has been picked up, so apparently according to the AP, getting picked up by the authorities is not “arrested”.
    &&&&&

    DOJ-instructed law enforcement not “arresting” Bacile, just “picking up”?

    COPS: “Mr. Bacile, we are here to pick you up by order of the Dept. of Justice, just for some questions”.

    Bacile: “Are you arresting me? For what?”

    COPS: “You aren’t being arrested, so we don’t need to read you your rights, nor do you need a lawyer. Given that most of the Muslim world wants you dead, think of this as an extended opportunity to protect yourself”.

    Bacile: “Where are we going?”.

    COPS: “Nice little place in Cuba, with lots of protection. Place called Guantanamo.”

  149. One thing about the Google/Youtube request bu Oturd. I find this very unnerving. OTurd didn’t ask if that video complied with Youtube’s policies, which of course have to comply with whatever country that youtube’s servers are in. Oturd and his gang asked Google/Youtube to review its policies, implicitly meaning, change it!

    In Indonesia etc, one of many countries where Youtube does operate, they have to comply with local laws, so they took that video down, however in the US we have a Constitution with very strict protection of the first amendment, so it appears Oturd is now openly asking companies like Google/Youtube, forget the first amendment, just “review” your policies so it doesn’t hurt people’s feelings, meaning change it!

    If Oturd and his minions feel that strongly about restricting the first amendment, then by all means, pass a law for it, get it ratified by 3/4 of the states and then change the 1st amendment. Then Google/Youtube and all sorts of other companies, people, artists, movies will have to comply with a restricted 1st amendment and then they will have to get rid of anything that “hurts Muslims’s feelings”, and frankly at that point, it could be anything, once that Pandora’s box is open, it will take another fight to get the rights back that 236 years so many thousands upon thousands died for.

  150. wbboei-

    “WHY THE BRILLIANT ROMNEY STAFF HAVE NOT CLARIFIED THIS CRITICAL DISTINCTION… IS A MYSTERY TO ME.”

    Why you would call candidate Romney’s staff “brilliant” (based on success) is s mystery to me.
    His staff and strategies seem to be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
    One imagines all of them emerging from a single, tiny car, wearing brightly colored costumes with exceptionally large footwear.

  151. So glad Valerie Plame is weighing in on the recent Navy Seal book about the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

    ************
    “Valerie Plame Wilson: Why is the U.S. Government Bullying an American Hero?”

    “Every day thousands of Americans working for the U.S. government spend all their waking hours keeping their fellow citizens safe. The vast majority of them work quietly — and anonymously — as they track our enemies, aid our allies, and seek out any and all threats to our country. And most of the men and women don’t give a damn about the absurd posturing and contrived drama generated by America’s political process. As I learned first-hand in 2003, there are times when the politicians bring the posturing and drama to you.

    I served my country, loyally and well, as a covert CIA operations officer focused on stopping nuclear weapon proliferation until the Bush administration decided to betray my secret identity as payback for my husband questioning the White House’s justification for the Iraq War. The lesson was simple: If you offer the public a true story that is at odds with what the government wants you to know, they will stop at nothing to destroy you, your reputation, and the reputations of the people around you.

    In the past few weeks, we have heard riveting stories of heroism and valor from one of the U.S. soldiers who participated in the combat mission that killed Osama bin Laden. His book, written under a pseudonym (his true identity was subsequently made public by Fox News), is by most accounts devoid of any classified information. In fact, most of what is in the book had been already leaked by top officials of the U.S. government themselves. I am dismayed to read the steady stream of criticism flowing from the U.S. government aimed at the book and its author. The Defense Department and administration officials have called the author’s decision to publish the book the “height of irresponsibility.” Former CIA Director and current Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has even gone so far as to say, “I think we have to take steps to make clear to him and to the American people that we’re not going to accept this kind of behavior.”

    At the same time that they threaten the author and try to “make clear” they’re not going to accept an honest account of what happened in Abbottabad, Americans have also recently learned that the CIA and other U.S. government agencies have been cooperating with Hollywood figures on a movie about the same topic. In fact, according to CIA emails released recently, one writer was given a “deep dive” inside the Agency as they wrote a screenplay on the bin Laden raid. Are U.S. government officials angry that the author wrote a book, or that his book came out before their movie? This, of course, comes after the U.S. government officials have participated in and been sources for newspaper articles, magazine features and even movies — like Act of Valor.

    It is time for the public to make clear to our government that we will no longer accept their unsubstantiated or spoon-fed version as the only one of significant historical events. I don’t believe that cooperating with an author or a screenwriter or even a movie producer on an authentic account of what happened in war is necessarily a bad thing, as long as no classified information is jeopardized. In fact, it has happened throughout American history and inspired many Americans to serve our country in their careers — myself included. However, next time you hear an American government official attacking the author of No Easy Day — stop and ask yourself why they are trying to bully an American hero. I just wish the officials making these threats would do the same. Our government has survived as long as it has because there are those prepared to hold it to account for its words and deeds. It’s the essence of our democracy.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-plame-wilson/bin-laden-book_b_1885408.html

  152. The world is unraveling ….

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9545254/Anti-Japan-protests-erupt-in-dozens-of-Chinese-cities-in-disputed-islands-row.html

    “Anti-Japan protests erupt in dozens of Chinese cities in disputed islands row”

    ‘Large scale anti-Japan protests over disupted islands have spread throughout China, and the Japanese embassy in Beijing was pelted with rocks, eggs and bottles.

    [Photo: AP]

    The angry Chinese protesters called for Japan to recognise China’s sovereignty over an island chain in the waters between the two countries.
    Last week, the Japanese government said it had purchased some of the Diaoyu, or Senkaku, islands, from a private Japanese family.
    The move outraged the Chinese government, which has now submitted new mapping coordinates to prove its ownership of the chain to the United Nations.
    In Beijing, a cordon of paramilitary anti-riot police prevented the mob from reaching the embassy, but did not intervene as the protesters chanted slogans and hurled objects.
    “Return our islands! Japanese devils get out!” some shouted. One held up a sign reading: “For the respect of the motherland, we must go to war with Japan.”‘

  153. wbboei: “… when/if the dollar loses its reserve currency status, then we will lose the ability to export our inflation to the rest of the world.”
    ====

    Very well said, this is exactly what we are doing and is why we should all read the article tim posted yesterday evening.

    The concerted attacks on the Eurozone debt and the Euro, which was and still is ready to stand in for the dollar as reserve and trading currency, were conducted by the Anglo-American financial axis (City/Wall Street) to save the dollar. The Euro did go down, from $1.44 to about $1.33, but this will not save the dollar with all the money we’re printing.

    “The first thing Romney should do when he is elected is fire Bernanke” – This is indeed a necessary first step (remember the “Wall Street Insider” rant about Bernanke) as Bernanke is now revving up QE3. QE3 will allow Obama to continue spending and racking up the federal debt, spurring inflation at home and abroad.

    Having said this, it would be a mistake to think the Eurozone countries are licking their chops over the potential replacement of the dollar by the Euro in reserves and trading. They don’t want a collapse of the dollar, at least not a sudden collapse. Perhaps if the changeover is stretched out over, say, five years, that would be OK with them. But five years of agonizing watering down of the dollar is to no one’s advantage – not ours, not theirs and not anybody else’s.

  154. Good quote from Valerie Plame Wilson via trixta (thanks!):

    “It is time for the public to make clear to our government that we will no longer accept their unsubstantiated or spoon-fed version as the only one of significant historical events.”

    Among other examples, I would point to the 911 Commission’s version of the WTC attacks.

    “Our government has survived as long as it has because there are those prepared to hold it to account for its words and deeds.”

    “Hold it to account”, yes, a matter of responsibility for one’s words and deeds. I’ll bet that Valerie does not consider irresponsible speech to be an American value.

  155. I commend this video to anyone who wants to understand the history of the 2008 election. Incidentally, Penn was the one who did not realize how proportionate voting worked and refused to be educated on the subject. A friend of mine tried.

    What the Morris analysis fails to account for is the blackmail which was used by Axelrod against Bill to force Hillary out of the race. It was mentioned in a high donor call early in the campaign. It was hinted at in the Vanity Fair article. And it was referenced in a catty comment about Bill by Claire McCaskill. As Casey Stengal used to say, look it up. The bottom line is that Axelrod was–and is the political blackmailer. He threatened to tarnish the Clinton legacy.

    This explains a number of things that remain a mystery to those of us on the outside. Hillary had the Wright tapes but did not use them. This is why. Hillary had the whitey tapes but did not use them. This is why. Hillary had 2000 voter fraud complaints against the Obama campaign which were compiled by her attorney Lynn Ulrecht, but never went public with them. This is why. Hillary had delegates who were prepared to stage a revolt at the convention, but did not do so. This is why. (Note: the pointman in this revolt was murdered a couple weeks before the convention, and since he was shot dead, no motive was ever determined). And Bill now served Obama at the convention and on the campaign trail. This is part of the reason why.

    This is why informed Hillary supporters must never support Obama–never ever. He is the spawn of the gutter. Given all this, the question they should be asking themselves is why should Axelrod and Jarrett have more Secret Service protection than our entire Ambassador Core, who unlike them, stand in harms’s way throughout the world? Since the taxpayers are footing the bill, that is a fair question. Who is more important to the future of this country? Ambassadors like the one who was sodomized and slain or the two Obama henchmen who are nothing more than the spawn of the Chicago gutter?

    Mind you, these are my conclusions, based on what I saw, what I read, and what I have heard from sources I deem highly credible. Could I be wrong about this? Could there be other causes which explain these random events? You decide. But first watch this video. And then do a little research of your own.

    http://www.dickmorris.com/history-of-the-2008-election-dick-morris-tv-history-video/

  156. gonzotx
    September 16th, 2012 at 4:05 am

    Lu4PUMA
    September 15th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
    *********************

    Scott’s favorables will go up when his polices show positive effect, and they will. Same thing happened in WI. You may not like it but we have to get a hold of our budgets. Public sector workers with high paying jobs and benny’s are going to be a thing of the past.
    ———————————-

    I will not like it when my communities water is not safe to drink and our natural resources are destroyed and neither will any other Floridian. Our state workers were the second lowest paid in the nation when Scott took office. There is such a thing a cutting too far and Rick Scott is doing it. His policies have not been effective or beneficial to Florida. It is especially disgraceful when his cronies are filling their pockets with graft. PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility) is suing him over the grafter he put in charge if environmental protections. Rick Scott represents everything negative about Republicans. A billionaire of medicare fraud and graft, cutting education, health and environmental protections.

    Very few people who voted him into office will even admit to it now. He is poison and the Romney Campaign better be very careful to dissociate or they will lose Florida. Education, health and the environment in Florida are BIG DEALS.

  157. So in the tank….

    ABC’s Jake Tapper whines on Twitter: ‘Ambassador Rice came on to answer questions, more than Romney or Ryan have done’

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/16/abcs-jake-tapper-whines-ambassador-rice-came-on-to-answer-questions-more-than-romney-or-ryan-have-done/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

    ………………………

    Maybe its because of the coordinated hit job your profession is running…….just a hunch.

  158. and it continues.

    CBS: Obama Leads in Our D+13 Poll

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/16/cbs-obama-leads-in-d-13-poll

    Anyone following the presidential campaign through the prism of media polls is doing themselves a serious disservice. Virtually every one uses a polling sample that is so heavily-skewed towards Democrats that it distorts the actual state of the campaign. Of course, that is a feature, not a bug of the polls. The polls are specifically designed to drive a narrative that Obama is surging and Romney is struggling. Increasingly, though, the polls are having to go to ridiculous efforts to support this meme. Friday’s CBS/New York Times poll, for example, uses a D+13 sample of registered voters. This is absurd.

    In 2008, an historic election wave for Democrats, the electorate was D+7. In 2004, when George W. Bush won reelection, the electorate was evenly split. In other words, D+0. Repeat after me; the Democrat share of the electorate is not going to double this year. Given the well-noted enthusiasm edge for Republicans this year, the electorate is going to be far closer to the 2004 model than 2008. Any poll trying to replicate the 2008 is going to artificially inflate Obama’s support.

    CBS does apply a Likely Voter screen to the head-to-head match up. The LV sample is D+6, similar to the make up of the 08 election. In that, Obama leads Romney by just 3 points, 49-46. In the RV sample, which more than doubles the proportion of Democrats to D+13, Obama leads by 8 points, 51-43. See the simple relationship there?

    Let’s try a simple thought experiment. Imagine if, for a week, all media polls decided to use a sample that replicated the 2004 electorate–a D+0 model. Given the GOP’s enthusiasm edge–even the CBS poll found Republicans voters with a double-digit lead on enthusiasm for the election–the electorate is going to look a lot more like 2004 than 2008. Imagine how the narrative of the campaign would change. The CBS poll found Romney beating Obama among Independents by 11 points. With a balanced partisan sample, Romney would likely post consistent leads against Obama.

    A week of this and Politico would run out of fuel for its daily “Romney is struggling” theme. Which is why the media will never adjust its samples. This election, it isn’t so much about polling as propaganda. The polls are simply a tool being used by the media to try to depress GOP turnout and give a powerful lift to Obama’s obviously lackluster campaign.

    The polls confirm that the media aren’t really biased. Rather, they are active players for the other team.

  159. Interesting that the US official agrees with Israeli time table for Iran to be able to have a nuclear device.

    “Iran on brink of nuclear bomb in six-seven months: Netanyahu”

    “Taking to the television airwaves to make his case directly to the American public, Netanyahu said that by mid-2013 Iran would be 90 percent of the way toward enough enriched uranium for a weapon.”

    “Senior U.S. officials say Iran has yet to decide on a nuclear “breakout” – a final rush to assemble components for a bomb – and they express high confidence that it is still at least a year away from the capacity to build one if it wanted to.”

    then the “news minder” aka “Baghdad Bob” formerly know as a reported injects this:

    “This contrasts with Netanyahu’s timetable,….”

    The time tables are exactly the same.

  160. jbstonesfan
    September 16th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    Happy Rosh Hashana to all who celebrate(and to those who don’t as well),
    —————————
    Happy Rosh Hashana Jbstonefan.

  161. SHV
    September 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    Interesting that the US official agrees with Israeli time table for Iran to be able to have a nuclear device.

    “Iran on brink of nuclear bomb in six-seven months: Netanyahu”

    “Taking to the television airwaves to make his case directly to the American public, Netanyahu said that by mid-2013 Iran would be 90 percent of the way toward enough enriched uranium for a weapon.”

    “Senior U.S. officials say Iran has yet to decide on a nuclear “breakout” – a final rush to assemble components for a bomb – and they express high confidence that it is still at least a year away from the capacity to build one if it wanted to.”

    then the “news minder” aka “Baghdad Bob” formerly know as a reported injects this:

    “This contrasts with Netanyahu’s timetable,….”

    The time tables are exactly the same.
    ————————————-

    The function of big media is perfectly clear: to trash anyone who disputes the false conclusions of this Administration.

  162. TheRealist
    September 16th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    wbboei-

    “WHY THE BRILLIANT ROMNEY STAFF HAVE NOT CLARIFIED THIS CRITICAL DISTINCTION… IS A MYSTERY TO ME.”

    Why you would call candidate Romney’s staff “brilliant” (based on success) is s mystery to me.
    His staff and strategies seem to be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
    One imagines all of them emerging from a single, tiny car, wearing brightly colored costumes with exceptionally large footwear.
    ————————–
    Hello again. Evidently you have not seen the rest of what I have been saying. I have spent the past several months decrying the ineptitude of the Romney staff, asking why he should be losing when Obama is failing on every front and sending them advice on what to do–which advice which has fallen on deaf ears. I do not know whether to credit the statement or not, but someone the Daily Beast (a pro Obama blog infested with bots) who was attacking Nial Ferguson claimed that they are scared they are going to lose. If that is the mentality that exists in his campaign at this pivotal moment then new blood is essential and time is of the essence. Brilliant in this context is a sarcastic and pejorative term.

  163. You can imagine the dialogue before you see it.

    Tapper : So it was’nt pre-meditated.

    Amb Rice : of course not Jake, everyone has RPG rocket launchers just laying around for random riots.

  164. White House desperately trying to sell idea that 400 attackers showing up with mortars, RPG’s & heavy artillery guns was a ‘spontaneous movie protest’.

    In other news here is that igloo in Florida you wanted to buy.

  165. Anyone following the presidential campaign through the prism of media polls is doing themselves a serious disservice. Virtually every one uses a polling sample that is so heavily-skewed towards Democrats that it distorts the actual state of the campaign. Of course, that is a feature, not a bug of the polls. The polls are specifically designed to drive a narrative that Obama is surging and Romney is struggling. Increasingly, though, the polls are having to go to ridiculous efforts to support this meme. Friday’s CBS/New York Times poll, for example, uses a D+13 sample of registered voters. This is absurd.
    ————————–
    Moon: brilliant comment. I wish I had said it that way. All I can do is fixate on the why of it. But I think that is critical too. Why, why, why. And as I have said many times, the answer is not that they are liberal, or democrats. It is primarily economic. They depend on a large federal government, grand bargains, and the inflow of the wealth of the hinterland into Washington where they live. The parties, the trips, the backdoor to the white house makes their jobs more enjoyable and secure. They are just like any other pressure group advancing their interests, in derogation of the general welfare. The trajectory of their propaganda will sink this country, because they have no interest in the dreary science of restraining the Leviathan. Their money is safely esconsed in foreign banks–waiting for the crash so they can either flee the country, or reinvest at the bottom. If you think the main reason for the infringement on our liberty is al Quada, then you are wrong. The main thrust of their infringement on privacy, their efforts to take away our guns, etc. is to protect the elites from us, when the financial collapse occurs. Yes, I know, it sounds like science fiction. There is a science to this, but it is not fiction.

  166. “The function of big media is perfectly clear: to trash anyone who disputes the false conclusions of this Administration.”
    *********
    At some level, the the Obama admin. has to be shitting themselves. I don’t think Bibi is blowing smoke. Israel had the best intel on Iran so very likely they know what is going on. However, from public information, it’s a fact that Iran is moving their enrichment facility to a bomb proof location and that they now likely have a sufficient inventory of 20% enriched Uranium to be able to make a critical mass of weapons grade U-235.

    For the first time, I think that Israel is really going to “do it”. If Obama is wins in Nov. there will be no reason for delay; if Romney wins, perhaps a reduced chance but a strike after Jan. 2013 is still likely.

  167. Tapper : So it was’nt pre-meditated.

    Amb Rice : of course not Jake, everyone has RPG rocket launchers just laying around for random riots.
    ———————-
    Objection: leading question. When Obama shills are on big media it is a direct examination. When the Obama opponents are on it was cross examination. It is a kangaroo court. Only an idiot plays by their rules.

  168. They have all become Baghdad Bobs, including Hillary.. nothing to see here, move on, some lone, wacky film maker whom we have identified, put a target on his face and sent him to hiding and there won’t be any more of such incidents because we have intimidated all such film makers in our country.

  169. I have been commenting on Althouse about this — denying that the attack was premeditated absolves the WH and the State (they think) of any a negligence. Which is why they are playing Baghdad Bob. I don’t think it is a winning strategy. It may work for them in the short run because of the cooperation by the media whores but it emboldens the perpetrators.

  170. “ABC’s Jake Tapper whines on Twitter: ‘Ambassador Rice came on to answer questions, more than Romney or Ryan have done’”

    To anyone interested in writing Jake Tapper over at ABC “news”.
    I did.
    No response yet.

    his email: Jake.Tapper@abc.com

    I basically asked him, why its a surprise that an an actual official coming on more often than a candidate is a surprise, I also noted that he seems to have not much of a critical thinking skills, or critical questioning skills, for example, I linked in that email, reports from Reuters from official Libyan govt that point the figure at al-queda, NOT the movie, so I asked Mr. Tapper, did it occur to him to ask just a simple question of Amb Rice. I wrote in that email apparently, he will carry water for the administration so that he will get these interviews, and since that seems to be the case, why would any candidate come on his “news” show.

    No response yet.

  171. And as I have said many times, the answer is not that they are liberal, or democrats. It is primarily economic. They depend on a large federal government, grand bargains, and the inflow of the wealth of the hinterland into Washington where they live. The parties, the trips, the backdoor to the white house makes their jobs more enjoyable and secure. They are just like any other pressure group advancing their interests, in derogation of the general welfare.

    ==========================

    This fits with the pattern I’ve been seeing: press attacks an individual of either party who might ‘shake things up’, such as McPalin, Gore, Hillary, perhaps Goldwater.

  172. I too am getting more convinced Bibi and Israel will be attacking Iran soon, if Romney wins it will be delayed for a while as Romney will at least cooperate, etc with Israel, if its clear Romney is not winning, I think Israel is moving forward. The interview on MTP, David Gregory, ever the Obot, carrying water for the Oturd Messiah.

    Never in my life have I seen such a collusion of the administration and the american media. They all drink from the same kool aid fountain.

  173. wbboei, I hope you don’t mind, but I used your phrasing when I wrote Jake Tapper.

    “The function of big media is perfectly clear: to trash anyone who disputes the false conclusions of this Administration.”

    100% accurate.

  174. tim, send the youtube (I linked up thread) to Jackass Tapper, it is about Rogers, the intelligence committee chair disagreeing with the WH.

  175. pm317, that would have been a good clip to send him, I’m going to see if he responds back. I have written to him in the past and he has responded back a couple of times. My opinion, he’s still not getting it, his job is to question whoever is in power, not peddle the opinions, etc of those in power. He’s not as kool aid drunk as the others in the MSM, but he’s still tipsy on it.

  176. oh goody. Jeff “what part of the job enchants you Mr.Oturd” Zeleny of the NYTimes on Fox News Sunday is now saying that the 2009 now sounds “naive, quaint”

    No Shit Sherlock!

  177. from the previous link, Bill Press:

    “. I think we also ought to be identifying the people who made this video and go after them with the full force of the law and lock their ass up.””

    Yes, lets lock up anyone who offends anyone in the world. Forget the 1st amendment, and just convert it to Shariah Law, since this is where it stems from, even though Mr. Press is too much of a coward to openly admit it.

  178. “I too am getting more convinced Bibi and Israel will be attacking Iran soon,”
    *******
    Another factor that may be pushing Israel is intel that Iran has a “bomb” program. It’s one thing to have fissile material, it another and much more of a threat if they have the technology to make it go “boom”. I have never seen any speculation about that aspect of the equation. If they do, it is likely a “gun type”, easy, reliable (unsafe) but for the Iranians, like undeliverable. If they have developed implosion tech., then Israel will hit them very soon.

  179. and the Libyan heads of govt openly and consistently saying US govt is wrong that this was just about a mob of people angry about a movie, because of course all mobs have rockets, grenades, etc all those high weaponry just lying around.
    Apparently the Libyan govt president has more integrity to tell the truth than the American media, who will repeat whatever Oturd tells them to repeat.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/libyan-president-completely-unfounded-and-preposterous-think-attack-was-spontaneous-protest_652437.html

    “Libyan president Mohammed el-Megarif is saying the attack Benghazi that killed the American ambassador was planned well beforehand. His statements on this topic firmly contradict the Obama administration’s version of events.

    “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous,” Megarif says in an interview on NPR. “We firmly believe that this was a precalculated, preplanned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. Consulate.””

  180. I should amend what I wrote

    “Apparently the Libyan govt president has more integrity to tell the truth than the American govt AND the American media, who will repeat whatever Oturd tells them to repeat.”

  181. RE your quote, Jeswezy:
    ‘“Hold it to account”, yes, a matter of responsibility for one’s words and deeds. I’ll bet that Valerie does not consider irresponsible speech to be an American value.’

    ***********

    The above lacks intellectual honesty. You can twist Valerie Plame Wilson’s words all you want, but your “interpretation” runs contrary to what she’s arguing in her article. To be clear, she’s criticizing government censorship of speech it deems “irresponsible.” Government censorship and its manipulation of facts and information to go after American citizens is what she says needs to be “held to account.” As a case in point, she refers to the WH outing her as a CIA agent when her husband undermined Bush’s reasons for going to war. But your “interpretation,” would have her characterize her husband’s speech as “irresponsible” and would have her condone government censorship. And we know that is not true. Bottom line, she supports free speech and objects to government censorship and persecution. As she says,

    “I am dismayed to read the steady stream of criticism flowing from the U.S. government aimed at the book and its author. The Defense Department and administration officials have called the author’s decision to publish the book the “height of irresponsibility.”

    ******
    Jeswezy, you have a right to your view on the first amendment; my view happens to differ. But this issue has already been argued ad nauseam in past threads, so I’ll move on. Hope you enjoy the rest of your Sunday. My garden beckons….

  182. Here’s a link direct to the Libyan President’s interview with NPR.

    Imo we should distinguish:
    1. was the attack planned
    2. was it planned by Libyans or by foreign infiltrators
    3. was it planned by al Qaeda

    http://www.npr.org/2012/09/16/161228170/consulate-attack-preplanned-libya-s-president-says
    “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous,” he says. “We firmly believe that this was a precalculated, preplanned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. Consulate.”

    The attackers used the protesters outside the consulate as a cover, he says.

  183. Tim–the better quote to send to tapper is the one that discusses the motivations of big media. He may not be aware of them.

    “O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.”

    Robert Burns, Poem “To a Louse” – verse 8
    Scottish national poet (1759 – 1796)

  184. Richard Grenell was just on Foxnews saying that Hillary was the adult in the room. That she answered the 3 AM call when Obama didn’t.

    This clip would be a good one to post if I can find it.

  185. turndownobama
    September 15th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
    http://twocircles.net/2012sep15/six_die_muslimpolice_clash.html

    Or, you might try reading the article. The six people killed were PROTESTORS, defending the Koran. The people who killed them were the police.

    turndownobama
    September 15th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Yes. I’ve been posting about the ‘Arab Limbaugh’ who publicized this trailer, starting the fuss. I wonder if the recent Arab translation was even accurate. (Similarly, the worst of the cartoon flap was started by some Arab clergyman who circulated really dirty pictures that were nothing like the actual cartoons.)

    “The Libyan murders were in my opinion a brutal attack, a plot, all preplanned, they used the protests as a cover, but the type of weaponry they used based on the damage caused, it has to be a plot, carried out on 9/11, the way the media makes it sound its like a mob gone wide… even if a mob went wild, look at the weapons used! even if a mob gets through, they don’t have that kind of weapons, they might have knives, etc, but not the high grade weaponry that was used to basically level the place.”

    Very likely. So, what WAS the attackers’ motive? The obvious result is to cause trouble for the provisional government which Hillary supports, and perhaps to get the US to withdraw aid.

    turndownobama
    September 15th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    This suggests that in Muslim behavior, cultural factors may be more important than Islam per se.

    You are proving my point exactly. 🙂 Muslim behavior, cultural??? Please… If your religious texts tell you to kill all infidels and a majority of the adherents ignore it while some follow it, are you saying that it is not the fault of the religion? Stupid conclusion. Muslims are good inspite of their religion and not because of it.

  186. And Baghdad Bob.aka Jay Carney.

    “His record of evaluating and acting on intelligence, I think, speaks for itself,” Mr. Carney said on Friday…

    Some of these jokes just write themselves, don’t they? 😆

  187. Here is the reality, from Jonathan S. Tobin of Commentary

    What we are seeing on the screen is the meltdown, collapse of the Obama policy on the Muslim world,” Charles Krauthammer said on the panel segment of FOX News’ “Special Report” tonight. “The irony is that it began in Cairo, in the same place where the speech he made in the beginning of his presidency in which he said, you wanted a new beginning with mutual respect, implying under the other presidents, particularly Bush, there was a lack of mutual respect. Which was an insult to the United States, which had gone to war six times in the last 20 years on behalf of oppressed Muslims, in Kuwait, in Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.”

”So to imply that we somehow had mistreated Muslims which was the premise of his speech and how the Iraq War had inflamed the Arab world against us. Well there was no storming of the U.S. embassy in Cairo in those days,” the FOX News contributor and syndicated columnist said.

”What we’re seeing now is al-Qaeda developing in Libya, meltdown of our relations with Egypt, you have riots in Yemen, attacks on our embassy in Tunisia. This entire premise that we want to be loved and respected, we’ll apologize, has now yielded all of these results and these are the fruits of apology and retreat and lack of confidence in our own principles,” Krauthammer concluded.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/the_white_house_and_press_create_a_fairy_tale_version_of_history.html#ixzz26fHQDCMQ

  188. If your religious texts tell you to kill all infidels and a majority of the adherents ignore it while some follow it, are you saying that it is not the fault of the religion?

    =====================

    Well, if the majority and the minority are grouped in different countries, that suggests that the culture of those countries may have something to do with their differing behaviors.

    More important, if the majority claiming any religion ignores the worst parts of their Bible, then maybe it is the majority’s view that we should consider as defining the religion. Christians and Jews now ignore much bad stuff in the Old Testament, and it’s their view that we accept, rightly.

  189. A short history of Muslim Terrorism against the USA:

    -1979 American Hostages taken. Then President Carter appeased them.
    – In Beirut (1983)
    – on TWA flight 847(1985
    – on the Achilles Lauro (1985)
    – On PanAm flight 103 (1988)
    – At the World Trade Center NYC(1993)
    – In Mogadishu, Somalia (1993)
    – in the Kobar Towers, Saudi Arabia (1996)
    – in Nairobi, Kenya (1998)
    – on the USSS Cole (2000)
    – in the Twin Towers NYC, DC & PA (2001)
    – in Afghanistan (2001 – present)
    – in Iraq (2003 – present)
    – at Fort Hood, TX (2009)
    – in Benghazi, Libya (2012)

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/the_white_house_and_press_create_a_fairy_tale_version_of_history_comments.html#disqus_thread#ixzz26fIHGddf

  190. Richard Grenell was just on Foxnews saying that Hillary was the adult in the room. That she answered the 3 AM call when Obama didn’t.

    —————

    This was the Fox Media Watch program (I watched it yesterday afternoon and it airs again on Sundays) and the panel did a good job of highlighting all the media bias this week. Grenell lent good support to Romney and he said that nice thing about Hillary.

  191. SHV
    September 16th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    “The function of big media is perfectly clear: to trash anyone who disputes the false conclusions of this Administration.”
    *********
    At some level, the the Obama admin. has to be shitting themselves. I don’t think Bibi is blowing smoke. Israel had the best intel on Iran so very likely they know what is going on. However, from public information, it’s a fact that Iran is moving their enrichment facility to a bomb proof location and that they now likely have a sufficient inventory of 20% enriched Uranium to be able to make a critical mass of weapons grade U-235.

    For the first time, I think that Israel is really going to “do it”. If Obama is wins in Nov. there will be no reason for delay; if Romney wins, perhaps a reduced chance but a strike after Jan. 2013 is still likely.
    ——————————
    If you look at the history of Bibi, read his initial book like I have, and admire him as I do, then you know he does not bluff on matters which relate to the survival of Israel. Look in those eyes, and you can see the No fucking way is he bluffing. N-F-W.

    Normally, Israel would share this information with the President. And some of it will have to be shared at the operational level to coordinate any attack which may occur between now and the election. Hopefully, he can wait until Romney takes office.

    But the key parts cannot be shared with Mr. Obama. Why not? Because Obama sides with the Arabs–not Israel, and because his administration in general and his National Security Director Tom O’Donilon (code name O.D.) leaks like a sieve to the New York Times and to anyone else who will listen, if the disclosure benefits the Obama campaign. The computer virus disclosure is the case in point. Never trust a politician from Chicago. They will sell you down the river.

  192. Obama policy on the Muslim world,
    ———————-
    It was cloud cuckoo land from the beginning. No one with common sense had much doubt where it would end up. A full blown war across the world which will cause Bernake to print 10 trillon dollar to save Wall Street, but not the country.

  193. Bill Press:
    ” I think we also ought to be identifying the people who made this video and go after them with the full force of the law and lock their ass up.”
    ****
    I wonder if the ACLU will smack down Bill Press and the other Stalinists who pretend to be Liberals??? I’m not holding my breath, I tore up my blue ACLU card during the ’08 Primary, so far they haven’t shown me that was a mistake.

    The ACLU of “Skokie” is now a distant memory.

  194. Yikes. I had no idea, no media in this country is reporting this, but this is very very grave news for the stability of that region.

    China was crying for war because of those islands, now the Japanese amb to China “mysteriously” dies, and so the Japanese understandably are pissed.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/japans-ambassador-china-dies-chinese-police-use-tear-gas-water-cannon-anti-japan-protesters

    The entire world seems to be on fire. I’m sure that’s all Bush’s fault according to the Obots.

  195. SHV
    September 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    No, these people are not classical liberals, the way Liberalism used to mean — and still does in Europe, progressism is what they preach now, progressing past the US Constitution, which protects free speech, is supposed to limit govt, protect indiv rights. And when you’re “progressing” past the Constitution, what are they progressing to? totalitarianism? Leninism? Stalinism?

  196. pm317
    September 16th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
    Richard Grenell was just on Foxnews saying that Hillary was the adult in the room. That she answered the 3 AM call when Obama didn’t.
    ************

    One of the commentators said it is time for the 3am call ad against the fraud, as I stated a few posts ago. He slept through it and didn’t make a statement for 13-14 hours later. He was fundraising.

    Still makes me sick she was standing by, him propping him up knowing he was immediately jetting off to Las Vegas.

  197. I keep sending Romney suggestions. Hope he takes a few. I just resent the 3am ad suggestion, I send ADMINS posts and suggestions.

    Is anyone listening @ Romney.com?

  198. Rasmussen Swing-State Poll: Romney 47, Obama 45
    —Ace

    This contradicts most other polls, but I think it means something. Maybe Rasmussen is +2 points or so too friendly to Republicans, but even so, rumors of the demise of Romney/Ryan have been greatly exaggerated.

    Posted by Ace at 03:19 PM Comments

  199. Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip http://reut.rs/PrdpJX

    =========================

    By now the film clip has gone viral, and ‘Arab Limbaughs’ may be putting out their own versions, even worse than the original. Leaving the original on Google is a reality check against them — and against US Limbaughs who may be trying to defend the film.

    Even if all such films and statements could be censored in advance, the ‘Arab Limbaughs’ would still find some statements from some obscure US pastors to rant about, even if they had to look in mimeographed newsletters. Like US Limbaugh types find obscure statements in Arab writings to rant about, and to say are typical of all Islam.

  200. turndownobama
    September 16th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Well, if the majority and the minority are grouped in different countries, that suggests that the culture of those countries may have something to do with their differing behaviors.

    More important, if the majority claiming any religion ignores the worst parts of their Bible, then maybe it is the majority’s view that we should consider as defining the religion. Christians and Jews now ignore much bad stuff in the Old Testament, and it’s their view that we accept, rightly.

    Proving my point over and over again, turndown. If they ignore it then they are good despite of it. This is so easy to understand, I don’t know why you can’t.

    My criticism is not exclusive to Islam, don’t worry. I also criticize Christianity but my main preoccupation now is Islam because there are few Christian terrorists now.

    Also, there is a huge difference in the religious texts of Christianity and Islam. In Christianity, the evil texts in the OT has been abrogated by the more moderate texts in the NT. This is not to say that the NT has no evil in it.

    In Islam, however, the more moderate texts have been abrogated by the violent texts. HUGE difference here. The peaceful verses came first in Islam and then the violent texts came later. The reason for this is that Islam was weaker when it began and had to coexist with other religions. Later in the history of Islam when it was more powerful, the peaceful texts have been abrogated by the evil texts such as “kill all infidels”. BTW, the concept of abrogation is an Islamic concept in the Koran itself which is quite different from how the Bible is interpreted. Whereas Bible scholars are free to pick and choose, Islamic believers are not. This is how the Islamic scholars determine which of the contradictory orders to follow. Problem is the Islam of the terrorists is perfectly theologically defensible given what the Koran says on both the substance and how to interpret it. In a debate between a fundamentalist and a moderate Muslim, the fundamentalist will easily win on the legitimacy of their position.

    I think that the problem here is one of understanding on your part. My criticism is not on Muslims per se. There are good and bad Muslims like there are good and bad Christians. My criticism is about the religion itself.

  201. Still makes me sick she was standing by, him propping him up knowing he was immediately jetting off to Las Vegas.

    =================

    Maybe she wanted him out of her way.

    Btw my semi-Bot friend is wishing she were in charge, and hoping she can get there in 2016.

  202. SHV
    September 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    Bill Press:
    ” I think we also ought to be identifying the people who made this video and go after them with the full force of the law and lock their ass up.”
    ****
    I wonder if the ACLU will smack down Bill Press and the other Stalinists who pretend to be Liberals??? I’m not holding my breath, I tore up my blue ACLU card during the ’08 Primary, so far they haven’t shown me that was a mistake.

    The ACLU of “Skokie” is now a distant memory.
    ———————-
    Pure scapegoating, and cover-up.

    Today, Erickson at Red State suggested that the incident was politically motivated. Whereupon, a bot who denies he is a bot took chastise Eric for this inflamatory suggestion and claimed it was just a voluntary interview which just happened to occur at midnight, just happened to require five cops in attendance, and just happened to coincide with efforts by the Obama Administration to deny liability for the collapse of the middle east and blame it on one lone film maker. Whereupon the following discussion insured, which failed to establish clarity and alignment, but is funny to watch: (Note: streiff is one of their heavy hitters)

    frankmac • 7 hours ago
    He wasn’t arrested, nor was he in handcuffs. It was a “voluntary interview” reviewing his probation. One of the requirements of his probation is that he cannot access the internet without the approval of his probation officer. Since the “movie” was on YouTube, it’s reasonable to question how it got there. Let’s not make stuff up. It looks bad for the movement as a whole.
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    tnfriendofcoal101368 • 6 hours ago • parent
    A picture is worth a 1000 words, you’ll note: 5 police officers, midnight, a police car, the man being shoved into said police car with his hands behind his back. Perhaps, maybe, I am thinking the LA sheriff got caught putting the screws to an American citizen and “voluntary” is spinning it…I am just saying…http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a
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    frankmac • 6 hours ago • parent
    Agree that the “imagery” of the incident looks terrible. I guess I’m just responding to the inaccurate headline of “The Film Maker Is Arrested”. We don’t need to make things up to be effective.
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    streiff MOD • 7 hours ago • parent
    This is nonsense on stilts. You don’t have police cars for a “voluntary interview.”
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    frankmac • 7 hours ago • parent
    He wasn’t arrested. He wasn’t in cuffs. He was released after the interview. What do we want to call it? Let’s keep in mind he was also on probation, so there will be different restrictions for him than there would be for you or I.
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    streiff MOD • 4 hours ago • parent
    “taken into custody” would be okay. But the assertion that this was a voluntary interview marks you as someone who is either a) not too bright — and I have to admit I’m willing to entertain that idea in light of your comments — or 2) trolling.
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    frankmac • 3 hours ago • parent
    streiff: I’m not stupid and I’m not a troll. The headline of this post continues to be incorrect. I’m not much for internet pissing matches, however, so this will be my last reply on the issue. Have the last word, if you’d like.
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    jddrouin • an hour ago • parent
    Well, frank, your screed (aka “apology for the left”) missed a few details … details such as the FACT that there are several hundred thousand statutes the Feds or a State government can, very literally, bring ANY citizen in for questioning.

    Including you. And if you ‘decline’ the ‘invitation’ …
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    PowerToThePeople • 6 hours ago • parent
    Yep, you must be right. Most normal citizens, on or not on probation, desire to voluntarily be embarrassed by a midnight encounter with tons of cops and cameras just so they can be “questioned.”

    Funny his “voluntary” agreement to be harassed only happened after our self proclaimed Jesus president decided he abused his first amendment rights when angered the muslims.

    Sorry Bub, there was nothing voluntary about what happened and it had nothing to do with his probation. This was pure intimidation, nothing more, nothing less.
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    frankmac • 5 hours ago • parent −
    When you’re on probation, you are not a “normal citizen”, and you must adhere to the terms of your probation. If it just came to light (after this week’s tragedies) that he may have been posting things on YouTube without his officer’s permission, then you’re in violation and anything can happen from that point. If he wasn’t on probation, it would be a totally different story. Again, my biggest beef is that the headline of Erick’s post was, and continues to be, completely inaccurate. No arrest took place, plain and simple.
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    M_Becker • 2 hours ago • parent
    So frankmac, you’ve got a copy of the terms of his probation? Post ’em please or at least provide a link.

    Otherwise, STFU.
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    Tbone • 2 hours ago • parent
    Semantics aside, your point is just plain stupid. If a bunch of cops show up at your house in the middle of the night with press in tow, and haul your sorry ass off in a police car, I hope don’t feel “arrested”.
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    jamesm • 5 hours ago • parent
    Was he booked and charged? For sure he was detained and taken in for questioning–arrested.
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    streiff MOD • 4 hours ago • parent
    thank you for your exegesis on criminal law. I’m sure no one reading this story understands “probation” or “parole.” Your knowledge has raised the quality of the discourse to stratospheric levels.

  203. My criticism is about the religion itself.

    ====================

    Imo “the religion itself” is whatever the current majority says it is. Regardless of which old texts claim to “abrogate” which other texts. Pastors like Westboro’s and Terry Jones etc may win arguments — but their version is not “Christianity itself”.

  204. rickya

    I think that the problem here is one of understanding on your part. My criticism is not on Muslims per se. There are good and bad Muslims like there are good and bad Christians. My criticism is about the religion itself.
    ***********

    good Muslim, like a “good Nazi”. This is not a religion…

    List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days

    Date Country City Killed Injured Description
    2012.09.16 Afghanistan Gereshk 12 0 A dozen women and young children are destroyed by Taliban bombers.
    2012.09.16 Pakistan Jandool 14 7 Three women and three children are among fourteen civilians taken apart by a Sunni hardliner bomb.
    2012.09.15 Iraq Hajj Ali 3 0 Three cousins are murdered in their own home by Mujahideen.
    2012.09.15 Thailand Pattani 4 0 Muslim militants ambush a vehicle and shoot four occupants to death including a housekeeper.
    2012.09.14 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Muslim ‘separatists’ shoot a villager in the head in front of his wife and 7-year-old daughter.
    2012.09.13 Pakistan Akkakhel 4 2 Two children are among four members of a family crushed in their own home by a Lashkar-e-Islam rocket.
    2012.09.13 Pakistan Quetta 3 4 A 2-year-old is among the casualties when Sunnis spray a car carrying Shias with automatic weapons fire.
    2012.09.12 Somalia Mogadishu 8 10 Eight people are turned into ‘pieces of meat’ by a suicide bombing at a hotel.
    2012.09.11 Yemen Sanaa 12 12 Twelve people bleed out in the aftermath of a suspected al-Qaeda blast.
    2012.09.11 Libya Benghazi 4 17 An Ambassador is among four Americans killed when protesters angry over a Muhammad film storm the US consulate.
    2012.09.10 India Baramulla 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a village head to death.
    2012.09.10 Afghanistan Kunduz 21 15 A Holy Warrior blows himself up at a demonstration, sending twenty-one other souls to Allah.
    2012.09.10 Pakistan Parachinar 14 45 Sunnis murder fourteen members of the minority Shiite sect with a car bomb that rips through a packed market.
    2012.09.10 Iraq Mussayib 3 2 Sunni bombers take down three Shiites near their shrine.
    2012.09.10 Iraq Bayaa 8 32 Eight people at a coffee shop are blown to bits by a Mujahid car bomb.
    2012.09.10 Syria Aleppo 20 0 Video surfaces of the Salman al-Farisi members executing twenty captured prisoners in cold blood while praising Allah.
    2012.09.10 Syria Aleppo 17 40 The FSA claims a bombing outside a hospital and school that leaves seventeen civilians dead.
    2012.09.10 Iraq Hillah 2 3 Two civilians are taken down by Jihadi bombers.
    2012.09.10 Mali Gao 0 5 Five cousins have their hands and feet cut off by Islamists citing the Quran.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Basra 3 24 A vicious bombing along a city street kills three.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Kirkuk 8 17 al-Qaeda car bombers slaughter eight oil company employees.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Dujail 11 7 A Shahid suicide bomber sends seven Iraqis to Allah.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Amara 16 100 Dedicated Sunni car bombers massacre sixteen Shiites outside their shrine.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Kirkuk 7 70 Two Islamic Army of Iraq bombs tear apart seven people outside of a police station.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Nasiriyah 2 3 Mujahideen bomb a hotel, killing at least two.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Baghdad 7 21 A Mujahideen bomb targeting a market seven dead bodies.
    2012.09.09 Thailand Narathiwat 2 1 Two men are killed and a 9-year-old boy loses his leg to Muslim ‘rebels’.
    2012.09.09 Afghanistan Farah 1 16 A 12-year-old boy is disassembled by a Taliban bomb.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Maysan 5 40 Five Shiites are blown to bits outside their own mosque by Sunni bombers.
    2012.09.09 Iraq uz Khormato 4 41 Four shoppers at a market are flattened by an al-Qaeda blast.
    2012.09.09 Syria Homs 4 24 Sunni terrorists are suspected in a bus bombing that leaves four dead.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Baghdad 3 14 Holy warriors detonate a bomb outside a pet market, killing three people.
    2012.09.09 Afghanistan Mula Khel 6 0 Religion of Peace extremists pull six civilians out of a vehicle and execute them.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Tal Afar 2 7 al-Qaeda bombers take down two innocents.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Baghdad 5 21 A restaurant blast by the Islamic Army of Iraq kills five patrons.
    2012.09.08 Iraq Qaim 1 0 A 5-year-old girl is killed instantly by an FSA rocket.
    2012.09.08 Pakistan Shalobar 2 0 A Religion of Peace blast sends two highway patrolmen to the morque.
    2012.09.08 Afghanistan Kabul 6 4 Six civilians, mostly children, are torn to shreds by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
    2012.09.08 Afghanistan Kajaki 5 2 Five Afghans are taken down by Taliban roadside bombers.
    2012.09.07 Syria Damascus 5 6 Five security personnel are killed by a bomb blast as they leave a mosque.
    2012.09.07 Lebanon Ain al-Hilweh 1 0 Jund al-Sham terrorists are accused of assassinating a local official.
    2012.09.07 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A policeman investigating Sunni sectarian killings is sprayed with bullets.
    2012.09.07 Philippines Sumisip 1 35 Seven Abu Sayyaf fire into a crowd of plantation workers on their lunch break, killing one.
    2012.09.07 Iraq Kirkuk 9 80 Sunni bombers take out nine Shias near their mosque.
    2012.09.07 Lebanon Damour 1 0 A man is stabbed merely for belonging to the ‘wrong’ religious sect.
    2012.09.07 Afghanistan Kabul 0 3 Three actresses are stabbed by religious hardliners for appearing with ‘immodest’ outfits.
    2012.09.07 Libya Rajma 3 3 Three people are killed when Islamic fundamentalists attempt to blow up a rival shrine.
    2012.09.06 Nigeria Yobe 16 0 Boko Haram Islamists murder sixteen people in a series of attacks.
    2012.09.06 Pakistan Sipah 3 8 A child is among three crushed to death by a Lashkar-e-Islam mortar shell slamming into their home.
    2012.09.06 Pakistan Gulistan Colony 1 0 An Ahmadi schoolteacher is gunned down in a targeted attack.
    2012.09.06 Iraq al-Sharqat 1 1 The leader of an Iraqi anti-terror unit is killed by a bomb.
    2012.09.05 Ingushetia Datykh 6 1 Mujahideen ambush and kill six Russians.
    2012.09.05 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shia doctor is murdered in his clinic by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.
    2012.09.05 India Kerala 1 0 A Hindu activist dies from a stabbing attack by Muslim ‘activists’ at a university campus two months earlier.
    2012.09.05 Iraq Tikrit 2 0 Two Sunnis are ambushed and killed by al-Qaeda gunmen.
    2012.09.05 Iraq Khalis 1 8 Jihadis kill one person with a car bomb blast near a clinic.
    2012.09.05 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shiite dentist is taken out in a Sunni drive-by.
    2012.09.05 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 A 75-year-old Shiite is murdered along with his 17-year-old grandson in a targeted shooting by Sunnis.
    2012.09.04 Iraq Tuz Khurmatu 6 2 Terrorists massacre six Iraqis with automatic weapons.
    2012.09.04 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 28-year-old Buddhist villager is slain by Muslim gunmen.
    2012.09.04 Kenya Mombasa 2 0 Two more people are reported killed by rioters whipped into frenzy by a radical imam.
    2012.09.04 Iraq Fallujah 1 0 Suspected al-Qaeda members machine-gun a judge in his own home.
    2012.09.04 Afghanistan Dor Baba 25 35 Over two dozen mourners at a funeral are blasted into bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
    2012.09.04 Pakistan Pirabad 2 0 Sunnis shoot two Shiites to death.
    2012.09.04 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A 16-year-old victim of ‘insurgents’ is found with his head, hands and feet cut off.
    2012.09.04 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 Wahhabis shoot a Shia traffic cop three times in the head.
    2012.09.04 Somalia Barawe 2 0 al-Shabaab Islamists tie two men to a pole and open up on them with automatic weapons.
    2012.09.04 Nigeria Gwange 4 0 Four people are shot and stabbed in their own homes by suspected Boko Haram.
    2012.09.03 Nigeria Maiduguri 2 0 A lecturer is among two people murdered by Islamist assassins.
    2012.09.03 Syria Jaramana 4 12 Sunni rebels are blamed for a car bomb blast in a residential neighborhood.
    2012.09.03 Nigeria New Marte 3 0 Two civilians and a cop are murdered by Boko Haram gunmen.
    2012.09.03 Pakistan Peshawar 2 25 Two civilians are killed in a suicide car bomb attack on a U.S. Consulate vehicle.
    2012.09.02 Pakistan Bazarak Khwar 1 4 Muslim radicals ambush a police vehicle and kill the driver.
    2012.09.02 Mali Gao 1 0 A kidnapped Algerian diplomat is executed in captivity by al-Qaeda.
    2012.09.02 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 Another Shia minority dies from injuries suffered in a targeted attack by Sunni.
    2012.09.01 Syria Deir al-Zour 1 2 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out one other person.
    2012.09.01 Pakistan Hazar Ganji 5 0 Sunnis pull five Shia vegetable seller off of a truck and calmly shoot them to death.
    2012.09.01 Pakistan Quetta 2 0 Two Shias walking along the side of the road are taken out by Sunnis on a motorbike.
    2012.09.01 Afghanistan Wardak 13 78 Twin suicide bombers incinerate over a dozen people including a child and two women.
    2012.09.01 Thailand Narathiwat 0 2 Muslim bombers tear off the legs of two plantation workers.
    2012.09.01 Pakistan Quetta 2 10 Two demonstraters are killed when Sunnis fire on Shias protesting an earlier murder.
    2012.09.01 Iraq Baghdad 2 11 Terrorists set off a bomb outside a coffee shop, killing two patrons.
    2012.09.01 Syria Damascus 15 3 A Sunni group is blamed for a car bomb attack near a rival mosque.
    2012.09.01 Iraq Basra 1 1 Knife-wielding ‘insurgents’ stab a judge to death in this home.
    2012.08.31 Pakistan Peshawar 12 12 A dozen Pakistanis are torn to shreds by a Taliban bomb near a mosque.
    2012.08.31 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A Shiite imam is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.
    2012.08.31 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Two Shiite worshippers are shot to death on their way home.
    2012.08.31 Iraq Baghdad 1 1 A Sunni attack on a Shiite cleric his driver dead.
    2012.08.31 Egypt Muqatta 1 0 Islamic extremists kidnap and behead a local man.
    2012.08.31 Pakistan Shor Kot 1 0 Following a fatwa against women using cell phones, a girl is honor killed after her brother discovers her with one and suspects immoral activity.
    2012.08.31 Pakistan Jacobabad 2 0 A Muslim shoots his sister-in-law and niece to death over alleged sexual misconduct.
    2012.08.31 Afghanistan Sahib Khan 5 0 Five villagers are kidnapped and executed by the Taliban.
    2012.08.30 Indonesia Solo 1 0 A jailed cleric’s hardline followers gun down a cop in a drive-by.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Batwar 12 0 Fundamentalists praise Allah as they videotape the beheading of a dozen captured Pakistani soldiers.
    2012.08.30 Thailand Yala 1 0 A Buddhist trader sitting in his truck is shot and beheaded by Muslim militants.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Quetta 3 0 Sunnis spray a car carrying a Shia judge with automatic fire, killing three occupants.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 A Tehreek-e-Taliban member shoots a young man to death at a market.
    2012.08.30 Iraq Hillah 2 0 ‘Insurgents’ murder two Iraqis sitting in a car.
    2012.08.30 Afghanistan Kapisa 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists are thought responsible for the beheading of a 6-year-old girl.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Beaver Ridge Canaan 5 0 Suspecting his mother and four sisters of ‘illicit relations’, a man drugs the five and then butchers them in their sleep.
    2012.08.30 Afghanistan Baraki Barak 5 10 Islamic radicals fire a rocket into a bus stop, killing five civilians.
    2012.08.30 Syria Damascus 2 0 Two policemen guarding the Lebanese embassy are brutally murdered in a sectarian attack.
    2012.08.29 Iraq Kirkuk 5 3 al-Qaeda bombers take down five people.
    2012.08.29 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 Islamic radicals shoot a young Christian to death in a residential neighborhood.
    2012.08.29 Germany Berlin 0 1 A rabbi is beaten by Muslims in front of his young daughter for ‘being Jewish’.
    2012.08.29 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic ‘separatists’ shoot a man in the head as he is eating noodles.
    2012.08.29 Syria Zamalka 7 0 A family of seven Christians, including three children, are shot in the street by ‘Liua Islam’.
    2012.08.29 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A cleric is gunned down in his mosque by Religion of Peace rivals.
    2012.08.29 Georgia Lapankuri 3 0 A doctor is among three people who die trying to rescue innocent hostages taken by Islamic radicals.
    2012.08.29 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 A 12-year-old boy is kidnapped and beheaded by the Taliban.
    2012.08.29 Pakistan Ghatbadr 8 6 Armed Islamists attack a checkpost, leaving eight defenders dead.
    2012.08.29 Afghanistan Logar 1 0 A woman is killed inside her home by a Taliban rocket.
    2012.08.28 Somalia Merka 1 0 A UN humanitarian worker is murdered by suspected al-Shabaab.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Kunar 5 0 A suicide bomber on foot murders five local troops.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Uruzgan 3 2 Three Australian soldiers are shot in the back by a Taliban in army uniform while they are relaxing.
    2012.08.28 Iraq Waziriyah 2 0 Two Iraqis are murdered by suspected al-Qaeda.
    2012.08.28 Dagestan Belidzhi 7 6 Influence by ‘Islamist literature’, a border guard murders seven fellow soldiers.
    2012.08.28 Dagestan Chirkey 7 0 A female suicide bomber takes down a 74-year-old Sufi cleric and six others at his home, including a 12-year-old boy.
    2012.08.28 Kenya Mombasa 2 13 A civilian and a cop are killed when a Muslim militant hurls a grenade at them.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 20 Four civilians are sent to Allah by Fedayeen suicide truck bombers.
    2012.08.28 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Runda Kumpalan Kecil cadres open fire on a passenger train, killing a guard.
    2012.08.28 Syria Jaramana 27 48 Sunni terrorists are blamed for a car bombing attack on a Christian funeral that leaves twenty-seven dead, including children.
    2012.08.27 Afghanistan Musa Qala 17 0 Fundamentalists interrupt a party and behead two women and fifteen men for dancing to music.
    2012.08.27 Pakistan Katha Kanray 1 1 A member of a peace committee bleeds to death after Islamic militants set off a roadside bom.
    2012.08.27 Mali Ansongo 1 0 A man bleeds to death after his hand is cut off by Islamists.
    2012.08.27 Afghanistan Washir 10 4 Taliban in uniform infiltrate a unit a shoot ten Afghan soldiers to death.
    2012.08.27 Kenya Mombasa 1 0 A Muslim mob hacks a person to death after urged on by an imam.
    2012.08.27 Iraq Mosul 2 5 Two civilians are murdered in separate terror attacks.
    2012.08.27 Pakistan Quetta 3 2 Sectarian Jihadis fire on a car carrying Shia civilians, killing three.
    2012.08.26 Nigeria Gashua 1 0 A group ‘committed to the Prophet’s teachings’ attacks a local bank, killing the guard.
    2012.08.26 Iraq Garma 3 2 Mujahideen bring down three Iraqis with IEDs.
    2012.08.26 Pakistan Bajur 1 4 Taliban militants Afghanistan cross the border from Afghanistan and attack a police checkpost, killing one defender.
    2012.08.26 Indonesia Sampang 2 12 ‘Mainstream’ Muslims stop a group of Shia children and teachers, and proceed to hack at least two to death.
    2012.08.26 Iraq Baghdad 5 1 Islamic terrorists shoot three security guards and two others to death at an amusement park in a Shiite neighborhood.
    2012.08.26 Afghanistan Pailoch 3 0 A ‘girl and two boys’ are shot to death by the woman’s brother for committing adultery.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Zehi 2 4 Hardline bombers take out two Afghans.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Sistani 1 0 A civilian bleeds to death following the detonation of this car by Islamic radicals.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Paktia 5 12 Four separate Taliban bomb attacks leave five Afghans dead.
    2012.08.25 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Suspected al-Qaeda muder three people.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Gosfandi 1 0 A civilian is left dead following an ambush by Islamic militants.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Gereshk 1 6 A girl is killed by a Taliban rocket attack on her house.
    2012.08.25 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 Two Shiites are murdered by sectarian rivals.
    2012.08.25 Pakistan Bara 7 8 Seven members of a family are crushed to death when their home is hit by a Lashkar-e-Islam mortar shell.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Panjwayi 5 3 Five local troops are killed Sunni fundamentalists in a roadside blast.
    2012.08.24 Iraq Baghdad 3 8 Sunnis fire mortars into a group of Shiite worshippers, killing three.
    2012.08.24 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 At least six people are murdered when Islamic terrorists throw grenades into a hotel.
    2012.08.24 Lebanon Tripoli 3 41 A Sunni sheikh is shot dead by Shia gunmen. Two other people are killed in the same sectarian clash.
    2012.08.24 Pakistan Batwar 2 8 Women and children are among the casualties when Islamic militants open up on a village with automatic weapons.
    2012.08.24 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 1 Islamic ‘militia’ shoot one person to death.
    2012.08.24 Iraq Khan Beni Saad 1 3 A Sunni bomb targeting a Shiite family kills one member.
    2012.08.23 Pakistan Chakwal 2 0 A couple that eloped without the girl’s family’s permission is snatched and hung from a tree.
    2012.08.23 Pakistan Hangu 3 0 Three policemen are ambushed and murdered by Islamic militants.
    2012.08.23 Dagestan Makhachkala 11 0 Five civilians are among eleven reported dead from Islamic terror attacks between the 11th and 17 of the month.
    2012.08.23 Sudan Kassab Camp 1 20 At least one person is reported killed when Arab milita invade an African refugee camp and rape dozens of women.
    2012.08.23 Tunisia Sidi Bouzid 0 7 Salafists attack people drinking alcohol with knives and sticks.
    2012.08.23 Afghanistan Ahmad Khil 3 0 Hardliners kidnap and kill three local soldiers who were on their way home to visit families.
    2012.08.23 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 6 0 Three children and two women are among six civilian blown into bits by a Taliban bomb.
    2012.08.23 Somalia Mogadishu 3 12 An al-Shabaab attack leaves three dead.
    2012.08.23 Pakistan Bakwa 2 0 Two local security guards are murdered by Sunni hardliners.
    2012.08.22 Dagestan Babayurt 1 0 A policeman dies from wounds suffered during an earlier ‘insurgent’ attack.
    2012.08.22 Dagestan Mokok 1 3 A soldier is killed by a Muslim sniper.
    2012.08.22 Lebanon Tripoli 4 25 Four more people die in clashes between Sunni and Shia.
    2012.08.22 Pakistan Islamabad 2 0 Video surfaces of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi beheading two abducted Shiites.
    2012.08.22 Pakistan Joharabad 1 2 A Muslim mob attacks a brothel, killing the owner’s companion.
    2012.08.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 2 Muslim gunmen ambush a bus carrying civilian, killing one.
    2012.08.21 Nigeria Goniri 2 0 Gunmen shouting ‘Allah Akbar’ burn down several buildings and shoot two villagers to death.
    2012.08.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A 34-year-old civilian is picked off in a Muslim drive-by.
    2012.08.21 Pakistan Faisalabad 1 0 A Muslim perpetrator is strongly suspected by the minority community in the targeted torture and murder of a 14-year-old Christian boy.
    2012.08.21 Nigeria Borno 1 0 Islamists open fire on a rival cleric, killing him outside his mosque.
    2012.08.21 Nigeria Biu 1 0 Boko Haram gunmen assassinate a worshipper inside a mosque at close range.
    2012.08.21 Lebanon Tripoli 8 75 A clash between Sunnis and Shia leaves eight civilians dead.
    2012.08.21 Pakistan Quetta 1 12 Islamists are suspected in a bombing that leaves one dead.
    2012.08.20 Indonesia Cisalopa 4 0 Four people are murdered on accusation of heresy.
    2012.08.19 Pakistan Karachi 16 1 A bloody shooting at a cafe is one of several that leave sixteen dead at the hands of sectarian Jihadis
    2012.08.19 Pakistan Haripur 0 6 Six people are attacked by fundamentalists for watching television during Eid ul Fitr.
    2012.08.19 Ingushetia Malgobek 7 10 A Fedayeen suicide bomber enters a funeral and slaughters at least seven mourners.
    2012.08.19 Iraq Baghdad 4 1 Four persons are killed in a bombing targeting a Sunni cleric.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 3 8 Islamic bombers kill three people at a cemetery.
    2012.08.19 Bangladesh Sunamganj 0 30 Two groups of devout Muslims clash at a mosque over a disagreement over prayers.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Kabul 3 0 Authorities accuse the Taliban of beheading three people during Ramadan.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 1 A terrorist in police uniform shoots a soldier in the back.
    2012.08.19 Yemen Abyan 3 2 An al-Qaeda suicide bomber takes out three souls.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Farah 2 0 Two brothers are shot to death in their car by Taliban gunmen.
    2012.08.18 Yemen Aden 21 9 An al-Qaeda rocket attack and suicide bombing leaves over twenty people dead.
    2012.08.18 Afghanistan Grish 1 0 The Taliban assassinate a local official with a bomb.
    2012.08.18 Pakistan Michni 4 0 Four young men are brutally gunned down by radical Sunnis.
    2012.08.18 Dagestan Khasavyurt 0 8 Suspected Islamists enter a rival mosque and open fire.
    2012.08.18 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Muslim terrorists kill six family members in their homes.
    2012.08.18 Iraq Kirkuk 5 4 Five local security forces at a checkpoint are riddled with bullets by Mujahideen.
    2012.08.18 Afghanistan Herat 4 12 Fundamentalist bombers murder four people at a crowded market.
    2012.08.17 Pakistan Sadda 0 0 Militants bomb a market, killing at least one patron.
    2012.08.17 Pakistan Quetta 5 5 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out five Pakistanis.
    2012.08.17 Pakistan Karachi 2 18 A bus carrying Shiite students is hit by a bombing that leaves at least two dead.
    2012.08.17 Afghanistan Kinisk 2 0 Two Americans are shot in the back by a Taliban in police uniform.

    There is a reason we call it Islamic terrorism, and it isn’t
    because we falsely attribute motives to the terrorists, but
    because Islam is the stated purpose and aim of the terrorists.
    Daniel Greenfield

  205. DYLAN WON’T ENDORSE OBAMA, SAYS VOTERS ‘CHANGE THEIR MINDS’
    Breitbart

    Rolling Stone magazine worships at the altar of President Barack Obama. So the magazine’s writers apparently assume a musical legend like Bob Dylan does the same.
    Not quite.
    The magazine’s latest edition interviews Dylan in connection to the singer’s newest album, “Tempest.” It’s the perfect excuse to wring an Obama endorsement out of the folk icon.
    Dylan wasn’t biting, to put it bluntly, particularly after the singer/songwriter discussed slavery’s lasting legacy on America.
    This gives Gilmore his hook: didn’t Obama change all that? And isn’t it so that people who don’t like him don’t like him because of race? Gilmore takes five different swings at getting Dylan to agree. Some of Dylan’s responses: “They did the same thing to Bush, didn’t they? They did the same thing to Clinton, too, and Jimmy Carter before that….Eisenhower was accused of being un-American. And wasn’t Nixon a socialist? Look what he did in China. They’ll say bad things about the next guy too.” On Gilmore’s fourth attempt, Dylan just resorts to: “Do you want me to repeat what I just said, word for word? What are you talking about? People loved the guy when he was elected. So what are we talking about? People changing their minds?”
    Dylan isn’t quite done mentally undressing his interrogator.
    “Would you like to see him re-elected?” Bob: I’ve lived through a lot of presidents. You have too! Some are re-elected and some aren’t. Being re-elected isn’t the mark of a great president.”

  206. turndownobama
    September 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Imo “the religion itself” is whatever the current majority says it is. Regardless of which old texts claim to “abrogate” which other texts. Pastors like Westboro’s and Terry Jones etc may win arguments — but their version is not “Christianity itself”.

    That is your opinion,turndown. The Pastor’s like Westboro’s and Terry Jones will find it difficult to win arguments. However, if they genuinely win an argument…then THAT is Christianity itself. For instance, the Bible has no verse that condemns slavery – not even in the New Testament. Christians have abandoned slavery inspite of the Bible and not because of it. I argue that Christianity is evil in this regard. To be clear, Christians are not evil but the religion is. To the extent that no Christian right now advocates slavery, I am not bothered by this part of the Christian text. And because the way to interpret the Bible is not in the Bible itself, Christians are free to pick and choose like most Christians do now. The case of Islam is totally different.

    In Islam right now, people advocate the killing of infidels. Muslims are offended by criticism of Muhammad. These are all Islamic in nature and is easily supported by their text.

  207. gonzotx
    September 16th, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    good Muslim, like a “good Nazi”. This is not a religion…

    List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days

    I agree with you however, most Muslims do not understand the koran. They may be able to recite it but most don’t understand. So it is possible for a Muslim not to be exposed to the evil teachings of their religion.

    There was this thinking in the past that all we needed to do with Muslim countries is to educate them. Problem is, once we correct for education and resources, the society becomes more radicalized not less. As more people really understand their religion, they become more radicalized. Remember that the 9/11 hijackers were all college educated.

  208. uh huh. Bob Dylan, what a racist! /sarc

    “Being re-elected isn’t the mark of a great president.””

    I would add being able to get elected isn’t a mark of a great president either.

    But I am 100% sure Bob Dylan will again vote and support the Messiah Man-child this time around, doesn’t matter what he says or doesn’t say.

  209. The Obama Administration helped the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) push through their resolution condemning the stereotyping, negative profiling and stigmatization of people based on religion. Team Obama led the way for the resolution to pass through the General Assembly.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/iranian-regime-threatens-to-sue-obama-using-new-un-blasphemy-laws-he-signed/

    Now the Iranian Regime is threatening to sue Barack Obama using that same blasphemy law.

  210. To this imam from Dearborn, Michigan who is now advocating for people who offend Islam to be stopped by the US govt.

    You want Shariah law, get the F out of this country! Not a chance in hell will this country stand for Shariah law!

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120915/NEWS05/309150151/Dearborn-imam-Violence-not-what-Islam-preaches?odyssey=nav%7Chead

    “This is not what Islam preaches,” Al-Qazwini said of the fatal attacks. “There is no way we can tolerate killing.”

    At the same time, he said we can’t “sit and watch” as the anti-Islam video is promoted.

    “We can do more to stop inciting violence,” he said. Allowing the movie has “broader ramifications for our troops, diplomats and Americans abroad.”

    The filmmaker and those who support the movie, such as Quran-burning Pastor Terry Jones of Florida, “have blood on their hands,” he said.”

    Riiiight, because some nutjob no name “preacher” from Florida burns a book, he has “blood on his hands”, not the actual people who slaughter and murder innocents!

  211. So, how long are Rice and Hillary and OTurd going to lie to cover their behinds!

    This was absolutely premeditated, the Amb Stevens wasn’t “taken to the hospital”, he was dragged to his death, sickening, absolutely sickening. What the hell were they doing there, with all this warning and no protection from these radical cockroaches!
    There are videos now on Drudge that Stevens was dragged while the crowd chanted “Allah Abubar”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/09/16/BREAKING-Video-Purports-To-Show-Ambassador-In-Libya

  212. PLEASE WATCH THIS. THIS IS THE HARD, COLD TRUTH WITH THE BARK OFF. THE POLICIES OF OBAMA–SHOWBOATING, APOLOGIZING AND WITHDRAWING HAVE CREATED THE VACUUM, NATURE ABHORS A VACUUM AND OUR ENEMIES ARE ON THE MARCH WHILE WE ARE RETREATING. THESE DEVELOPMENTS WERE PLANNED AND COORDINATED.

    GIVEN: i) THESE DESTABILIZING CLOUD CUCKOO LAND POLICIES OF OBAMA, ii) SARKOSI’S ADMONITION THAT WE LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD NOT A VIRTUAL ONE,iii) THE DISCLOSURE OF SENSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST BY THOSE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, iv) THE WAY OBAMA HAS SPIKED THE FOOTBALL ON HIS CAMEO ROLE IN THE KILLING OF BIN LADEN IN HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN, DOES ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BELIEVE THAT THE CAUSE IN FACT FOR THIS MELTDOWN OF AMERICAN POWER IN 20 COUNTRIES WAS A VIDEO ON THE INTERNET? YET THAT IS THE FIG LEAF BEHIND WHICH THE OBAMA CABAL NOW HIDES. A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR NATIONAL FAILURE.

    THIS VIDEO DECIMATES OBAMA’S MAKE WEIGHT BLAME IT ALL ON THE VIDEO DEFENSE AND IT PROVES BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT AND TO A MORAL CERTAINTY THAT OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE. OBAMA HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS. WATCH KRAUTHAMMER–HE NAILS IT. THEY ARE EITHER WILLFULLY OBTUSE OR DELUSIONAL. ALL OF THIS WAS FORESEEABLE.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/15/krauthammer_on_mideast_attacks_the_tide_of_american_power_is_receding.html

  213. krauthammer eviscerates Obama: (ouch that hurts)

    (The Obama contention that the rise of anti Americanism violence across the globe) has nothing to do with us or our policies, [that] it’s about a video, is either willfully obtuse or simply clueless,” Krauthammer said. “What has happened is, as you pointed out, beginning with the Cairo speech, Obama changed American policy on the theory that the reason that people hated us was because we were tough. They hated us because of Iraq. They hated us because of Guantanamo. They hated us because of the torture — he used the word, he accuses his own country abroad of torturing.”

    “And he was now apologizing and promising to change course,” he continued. “We would no longer be tough. We would be loved. We would show compassion. And we would get out of Iraq. He set a deadline for Afghanistan. He doesn’t support the Green Revolution in Iran. He shows the Ayatollahs tremendous respect. He essentially protects them when they are under attack. He gets nowhere on the Iran nuclear issue. He is equivocal uncertain during the Arab Spring. He leads from behind in Libya. The theory was if we go soft, if we are very nice, if we say ‘Assalamu alaikum,’ enough times, everything will be all right. And what he decided is, the way to do that, the theory and therefore the practice is going to be, retreat and withdraw. Remember the line he uses? The tide of war is receding.”

    Krauthammer said American interests were threatened because the president’s policies have created a power vacuum that radical Muslims have jumped to fill.
    “That means the tide of American power is receding,” Krauthammer said. “And the reason that American interests, embassies, schools, businesses are aflame throughout the Middle East from Tunis all the way to South Asia is because things don’t happen in a vacuum. And when you withdraw the power and the influence of the strongest country on earth from a region, the vacuum will be filled. What we are seeing now is the Salafists, the Islamists, understanding this is their opening, America is in retreat. The tide of America is retreating in the region. And they are now going to fill the gap.”

  214. And yet everybody loves Obama. After all, he is so likable. If perchance you do not like him then we will send police cars and reporters to your home at midnight for a voluntary interview. Strike that. We are getting ahead of ourselves. That will be policy after 2012 when he has more flexibility to destroy the country. What you are witnessing here and now is the death of a republic and the emergence of a police state aided and abetted by big media.

  215. Riiiight, because some nutjob no name “preacher” from Florida burns a book, he has “blood on his hands”, not the actual people who slaughter and murder innocents!

    =====================

    Both sides are at fault, but Jones is worse. Jones action was in cold blood, designed to provoke violence, from his safe church in Florida; aside from the planned military strike on the Ambassador, the sincere Arabs were defending their Prophet, risking their own lives.

  216. turndownobama
    September 16th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Both sides are at fault, but Jones is worse. Jones action was in cold blood, designed to provoke violence, from his safe church in Florida; aside from the planned military strike on the Ambassador, the sincere Arabs were defending their Prophet, risking their own lives.

    WOW!!! They are NOT both at fault…..Jones was in his right do what he did. There is no law against burning the Quran. It is not illegal…it is not even immoral. The people who killed the people in Libya have no right to do so. Murder is both illegal and immoral. Defending the prophet is NOT a valid reason. This is the most stupid thing I have seen written on the comments section of this site. Your moral compass is so warped that you can’t see this difference and what’s worse you are saying that Jones was more at fault.

    You are done. This statement proves that no logic is going to convince you because your brain has been so warped by your defense of Islam that you can’t even acknowledge that murder is worse than exercising one’s freedom of expression.

  217. I just watched the Wallace interview of this Republican from Minnesota. He does not know anything. And, maybe it will take a little time to sort everything out. But why go on a show in the first place, it you cannot answer the obvious questions.

  218. What a crock that Ambassador Stevens was taken to the hospital. Hillbuzz pointed out that if you look at that picture of where Ambassador Stevens is being carried over someone’s shoulder he doesn’t have any pants on. I didn’t think that was really the case but I went back and looked at the picture and it’s true. It was also pointed out that in the picture of the one of him sitting down (where his lips are blue) it appears that someone is either taking his belt on or off. The man disappeared for hours and they’re saying that they didn’t know who he was and that was why he was in the hospital for five hours before they found him. Oh yeah, those terrorists really respected him. What a crock of crap! That man suffered and I hope that he was already dead when he was defiled but I place all the blame on that POS in the WH.

  219. If I were advising the Romney campaign I would encourage them to play hardball with big media. Romney should schedule an interview with the Neanderthal boy like David Gregory (the head shape gives him away: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gregory_(journalist) Let them prepare their script of gothchas. Then cancel at the last minute and send somebody else in like Paul Ryan, whom they are not prepared for.

  220. Tim

    That’s what I usually use 🙂

    It’s just that sometimes, i just don’t want him to get away with starting a meme that is totally wrong. I believe that memes are important and it shapes opinions. At the very least in this board, I want these stupid memes to be challenged and crushed.

  221. The tolerant Hollywood, everyday exposing themselves to be the Stalinist lunatics that they are.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/16/top-obama-bundler-russell-simmons-it-should-be-illegal-to-make-movies-that-insult-muslims/

    So, Hollywood elites is now advocating for Shariah Law. How nice, does Mr. Simmons know that gays are absolutely hated by Muslim, Shariah compliant countries, what does Mr. Simmons advocate the USA do in that case? And why stop there? Muslims also hate bacon, maybe we should make bacon illegal since it insults Muslims.

  222. ” At the very least in this board, I want these stupid memes to be challenged and crushed.”

    well, good for you, you have more patience than I do. I tried it in the past, I no longer have the energy or the patience for it, reading it, responding to it. The comment you responded to is indeed something you would see at Huffpoo or the kooks at Kos. As I said, good for you, I’ve reached my limit on that BS a while back.
    (completely agreed with your response!)

  223. Breaking News: Chicago Mayor is going to injunct the teachers. They did not accept proposal. He claims they have not right to strike.

  224. 1. LIBYAN OFFICIAL WARNED USA ‘3 DAYS BEFORE ATTACK’…

    2. Libyan president: ‘No doubt’ was ‘preplanned’ starting months ago…

    3. Yet Rice tows the party line: Attack NOT Premeditated…

    4. After Krauthammers analysis, all Obama has left is a fig leaf–another lie.

    5. Moral to the story: apologies, charm offensives, and a thousand mea culpas are weakness. They equate to appeasement and history teaches us that appeasement does not work, except in the parallel universe where Obama resides.

  225. Well, sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t have the energy or patience for it. I do post on other boards but I usually shun those boards with lots of kooks. Daily Kos and Huffpost are two that I would not post on. If responding to posts like this is tiring here, it is nigh impossible there.

  226. Netanyahu: US must draw a ‘red line’ with Iran over nuclear weapons

    WASHINGTON – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a direct appeal to American voters on Sunday to elect a president willing to draw a “red line” with Iran, comparing Tehran’s nuclear program to Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and reminding Americans of the devastating repercussions of failed intelligence.

    His remarks were an impassioned election-season plea from a world leader who insists he doesn’t want to insert himself into U.S. politics and hasn’t endorsed either candidate. But visibly frustrated by U.S. policy under President Barack Obama, the hawkish Israeli leader took advantage of the week’s focus on unrest across the Muslim world and America’s time-honored tradition of the Sunday television talk shows to appeal to Americans headed to the polls in less than two months.

    Tehran claims its nuclear program is peaceful. Netanyahu said the U.S. would be foolish to believe that, using football metaphors and citing example of past terrorist attacks on U.S. soil to appeal to his American audience.

    “It’s like Timothy McVeigh walking into a shop in Oklahoma City and saying, ‘I’d like to tend my garden. I’d like to buy some fertilizer … Come on. We know that they’re working on a weapon,'” Netanyahu said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/16/netanyahu-iran-guided-by-leadership-fanaticism/

  227. September 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    ==========================

    Leaving aside the military assassins of the Ambassador, both sincere protestors who resort to violence AND Jones who incites them, are morally guilty.

    Though burning a Koran (or a US flag) may be legal in the US, that does not make either burning morally right. Both hurt people’s feelings, so both are wrong.

    (If there were a country where killing infidels were legal, it would still be morally wrong.)

    “murder is worse than exercising one’s freedom of expression.”

    Defending one’s religion does not justify violence, and ‘exercising freedom of expression’ does not justify inciting violence.

  228. Breaking News: Chicago Mayor is going to injunct the teachers. They did not accept proposal. He claims they have not right to strike.
    ————————
    Well it is Cook County after all. In Cook Country there is no coherent body of law. The Daley machine just makes it up as the go. For the life of me, I cannot figure out who to root for in this dispute. If they destroyed each other, I would regard that as the only satisfactory outcome.

  229. reminding Americans of the devastating repercussions of failed intelligence.

    ===================

    We should also remember the repercussions of intelligence that fails in the opposite direction, claiming Weapons of Mass Destruction where there were none.

  230. wbboei
    September 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Sorry, but I’m not familiar with these terms, can you explain?
    What does that mean, “injunct the teachers”? That they can force teachers to teach, how does that even work?

  231. turndownobama
    September 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
    September 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    ==========================

    Leaving aside the military assassins of the Ambassador, both sincere protestors who resort to violence AND Jones who incites them, are morally guilty.

    Though burning a Koran (or a US flag) may be legal in the US, that does not make either burning morally right. Both hurt people’s feelings, so both are wrong.

    (If there were a country where killing infidels were legal, it would still be morally wrong.)

    “murder is worse than exercising one’s freedom of expression.”

    Defending one’s religion does not justify violence, and ‘exercising freedom of expression’ does not justify inciting violence.

    This is called the “hecklers veto”. You are advocating that those who are prepared to be violent have the right do dictate what speech is or is not acceptable. There have been numerous attacks on the Christian religion and the attacks continue to this day. No one has the right to dictate what speech can or can’t be said. And when will it end? Are we to accede to their every demand because they are prepared to be violent? Unfortunately for the world, the muslim world is easy to offend. They can be offended by mere cartoons. What you are proposing is dhimmitude.

    This is especially true for a religion that has extraordinary claims about its prophet. Everyone has the right to call BS on these claims by examining the life of this so-called prophet. Questions about the holiness of this prophet should be par for the course. Was this prophet a pedophile or not? Was the prophet a bandit or not? Wasn’t he an assassin? Didn’t this so called prophet kill a woman while the woman was nursing her child? And you call this man a prophet whose life is an example for ALL Muslims?

    And writing “leaving aside the military assassins of the Ambassador” is particularly dishonest in that the original poster was talking about the violence. It’s like saying of a rapist, “leaving aside the rape, he is a good guy”. It is precisely the rape that we are talking about. Moreover, protesters who resorted to violence did not just hurt feelings. They hurt bodies as well. So No, There is no equivalence between what Jones did which is both legal AND moral and what the violent protesters did. Jones was acting within the bounds of society while the protesters were barbarians.

  232. This live footage proves the administration is lying to America. NO rescue. The ambassador’s corpse is being cheered.

  233. tim
    September 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
    The tolerant Hollywood, everyday exposing themselves to be the Stalinist lunatics that they are.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/16/top-obama-bundler-russell-simmons-it-should-be-illegal-to-make-movies-that-insult-muslims/

    So, Hollywood elites is now advocating for Shariah Law. How nice, does Mr. Simmons know that gays are absolutely hated by Muslim, Shariah compliant countries, what does Mr. Simmons advocate the USA do in that case? And why stop there? Muslims also hate bacon, maybe we should make bacon illegal since it insults Muslims.
    ____________________________________________________

    Anybody remember any of these “Hollywood” folks have this same attitude when the guys from South Park made fun of the Muslims?

  234. The way I understand it, he has asked a judge to state that they do not have a right to strike and therefore must go back to the classroom. Whether that is enforceable or not we shall see on Monday if the Judge goes along with it. Remember it is the teachers that are the backbone of the Dem Party and getting their vote out. I think some bridges are being burned here.

  235. Watching Judge Jeanie’s guest eviscerate state dept. for embassy attacks, particularly
    Libya where total miscalculation of security contributed to those brave men who died.
    To blame it on a film is a dishonor to their memory. Yet, Obama gets a pass and the press is fixated on Romney commenting too early. How we can re-elect this man is stunningly scary.

  236. Watching Judge Jeanie’s guest eviscerate state dept. for embassy attacks, particularly
    Libya where total miscalculation of security contributed to those brave men who died. […] Yet, Obama gets a pass

    ====================

    How could someone blame the State Dept without blaming Hillary?

  237. “Jones was acting within the bounds of society”

    The bounds of which society? Not the Asian society, nor the French, apparently. Nor the majority of our society. We couldn’t legally stop him, but most of us, like Hillary, said it was a very bad thing to do. And in some countries it is illegal (as burning a flag was once illgal in the US).

  238. turndownobama
    September 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
    “Jones was acting within the bounds of society”

    The bounds of which society? Not the Asian society, nor the French, apparently. Nor the majority of our society. We couldn’t legally stop him, but most of us, like Hillary, said it was a very bad thing to do. And in some countries it is illegal (as burning a flag was once illgal in the US

    I say that he is acting within the bounds of society. He did nothing illegal or immoral. He was making a point about the violent and hateful book that is the Quran. We can debate that point forever.

    What can’t be debated is that the actions of the violent protesters are illegal and barbaric. So, there’s no equivalence between their actions. Even you can’t argue that. Well maybe you can. I have seen the lengths at which you will go to twist yourself in a pretzel to defend precious Islam. I am looking forward to see you try and defend the murders. It is really entertaining and instructive of how cults rot the brain.

  239. ROMNEY/RYAN: GET OFF THE SUICIDE PATH
    David Limbaugh: ‘Now is not the time for them to go all John McCain on us’
    Published: 6 days ago
    by DAVID LIMBAUGHEmail

    The November elections are a Republican landslide begging to materialize – but will the GOP make it happen? I believe so. I’m not buying these negative polls, but to increase our chances, let’s sharpen the message, not dilute it.

    A recent Fox News story reports that Romney and Ryan are both beginning to emphasize a bipartisan message rather than sharpen the contrasts between Obama’s manifest failures and their plan for America. They must not follow this suicidal path.

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    Now is not the time for them to go all John McCain on us and downplay what Obama has done or to apologize for their own winning message. In the campaign’s homestretch, they must bring more passion and urgency. It’s not enough to calmly assure the American people that they’ll do better. They must convince them they believe with every fiber of their beings that the nation as we know it would not survive four more years of Obama’s assault – that unless Obama is defeated, their children will not enjoy the same America they have enjoyed.

    Their message should be: Sure, President Obama inherited a tough economy. But enough already. He knew and stated how bad it was, and he promised that if we implemented his agenda, the economy and debt would vastly improve. He implemented his agenda, yet the economy is still doing terribly, and the debt is dramatically worse. He still refuses to accept responsibility for his failures. He has no new ideas and offers the same failed policies and promises nothing but prolonged malaise if he’s re-elected. Under a second Obama term, we’d experience catastrophic financial collapse.

    Romney/Ryan rejects the defeatist idea that economic malaise is inevitable. Historically, the worse the recession the stronger the recovery, except with Obama, who has given us the worst recovery in 50 years. Romney/Ryan would implement tax and entitlement reform that would spur economic growth and greatly reduce our deficits and debt.

    The shorter version should be: Obama is bearish on America. Under Obama, we’d fail. Romney is bullish on America. Under Romney, we’d get America back.

    Millions of Americans abhor what Obama has been doing to the nation they love. Many didn’t pay enough attention when he promised to fundamentally transform the nation, but they’re paying attention now, and they’re horrified and outraged. Most assumed he meant he would advance policies to turn the economy around. They never imagined he would turn the American dream on its head, from “if you work hard in America, you can make something of yourself and succeed” to “the system is rigged such that those who have succeeded haven’t earned it (‘you didn’t build that’) and will be forced to give more to others.”

    Obama is obliterating the promise of equal opportunity for all, exploiting class, racial, gender and ethnic divisions, destroying our domestic energy industry, demonizing business, smothering the private sector, shoving Obamacare down our throats, giving us double-digit actual unemployment, bankrupting the nation and pushing America toward decline.

    Romney must make Obama own his failures. For starters, Romney must unpack this horror picture known as the most recent jobs report. Though the nominal unemployment rate went “down” to 8.1 percent, when you factor in those who’ve quit looking for a job, actual unemployment exceeds 11 percent.

    As Mortimer Zuckerman wrote in the Wall Street Journal, 8 million people are no longer counted as unemployed because they are no longer looking for a job. The economy only added 96,000 jobs last month; the monthly average for 2012 had been 139,000. A staggering 5.2 million have been out of work for at least 27 weeks. Though our population has grown by 31 million since April 2000, we now have fewer people working. Our employment numbers are way worse off than they were when the recession began at the end of 2007.

    In addition, millions more are on food stamps and Social Security disability, and millions fewer are paying any federal income taxes in Obama’s America.

    Obama, in consciously choosing to adopt the Jimmy Carter vision of malaise and resigning himself to America’s inevitable decline, has thrown Romney a high-hanging curveball, and Romney must oblige him and knock it out of the park, with an abundant dose of optimistic, winning Reagan conservatism.

    Experts are saying that Romney must give more specifics about how he would turn the economy around. Yes, he and Ryan have detailed plans and must communicate them. But it is equally important that they present their competing vision. They must underscore their pride in America and their commitment to the American idea and American exceptionalism. They can and will turn things around. Our best days are still ahead.

    Above all, Romney/Ryan must not sell the American people short and assume they can’t handle the truth. Hit them between the eyes with it and they’ll return you a decisive victory.

  240. I use to think that the Reps were the illegal vicious politicans. Now it appears to be the Dems. Who would have thought.

  241. Sorry, but I’m not familiar with these terms, can you explain?
    What does that mean, “injunct the teachers”? That they can force teachers to teach, how does that even work?
    ————————-
    I. INJUNCTION: A preliminary injunction, in equity, is an injunction entered by a court prior to a final determination of the merits of a legal case, in order to restrain a party from going ahead with a course of conduct or compelling a party to continue with a course of conduct until the case has been decided. If the case is decided against the party that has been enjoined, then the injunction will usually be made permanent. If the case is decided in favor of the party that has been enjoined, the injunction will usually be dissolved or dismissed.

    In most courts in the United States, the party seeking the preliminary injunction must demonstrate all four things together:

    i) That there is a substantial likelihood of success on the merits of the case:
    ii) That they face a substantial threat of irreparable damage or injury if the injunction is not granted,
    iii) That the balance of harms weighs in favor of the party seeking the preliminary injunction
    iv) That the grant of an injunction would serve the public interest.

    The “balance of harms” refers to the threatened injury to the party seeking the preliminary injunction as compared to the harm that the other party may suffer from the injunction.

    II. NORRIS LAGUARDIA (ANTI INJUNCTION ACT)

    The Norris–La Guardia Act (also known as the Anti-Injunction Bill) was a 1932 United States federal law that banned yellow-dog contracts, barred the FEDERAL COURTS from issuing injunctions against nonviolent labor disputes, and created a positive right of noninterference by employers against workers joining trade unions. The common title comes from the names of the sponsors of the legislation: Senator George W. Norris of Nebraska and Representative Fiorello H. La Guardia of New York, both Republicans.

    III. VENUE

    I expect they will file the injunction in Cook County where the Daley Machine owns the judges. I am sure they will have no difficulty finding a judge they own to issue an injunction, and fine the union for any violations. In a normal setting, it would not be easy to obtain an injunction, unless the law prohibits the union from striking. In those cases, the alternative is usually interest arbitration. I have not studied the facts of this case, so I am speaking in generalities. But I do know there is widespread corruption at all levels of Cook County and a federal judge who sent Daley’s main fixer to jail noted that fact when he sentenced the crook.

  242. From Breitbart via moononpluto: “This election, it isn’t so much about polling as propaganda. The polls are simply a tool being used by the media”

    I remember the polling after Iowa in 2008, when Obama was given a huge bump over Hillary going into New Hampshire. After Hillary’s NH win, people suddenly became a little less naïve about the polls and how they were being used or rigged, so the media began making up excuses: how Hillary’s “tears” had changed people’s minds at the last minute.

    Why do the polls have an effect on the electorate? Why do the media twist them this way?

    Someone here posted an article last week saying that part of the electorate will vote for the person they think will win, sort of to be on the winner’s bandwagon. It’s a kind of mania to go with the winner.

    If anything, I do the reverse. When I attend a ball game, for example, I have a gut reaction to root for the underdog, no matter who the home team is. If the underdog wins or loses, I feel real good about myself.

    In politics, though, top dog/underdog has no effect on me, except if my candidate is slated to win, in which case I might not vote. Which is kind of stupid on my part, I’ll admit: If I had been among those who wanted Dewey in 1948, I would have kicked myself for not voting. That’s why Truman won: Everybody assumed Dewey would win and there was not enough enthusiasm among Dewey voters to turn out for the election.

    Anyway, I’ve noticed this several times in American elections, starting with the election of Class President in high school: Other pupils would tell me, “Don’t vote for him, he’s gonna lose!” as if there was some glory about voting for the winner in a secret ballot.

    On a national scale, I intuit that there is a chunk of the electorate that votes this way, and the media manipulates the polls to influence them. However, it may backfire this time if the polling indicates a very close race in Obama’s favor: O’s supporters may grow comfortable and lazy “knowing” that their man will win, while Romney’s supporters will strive harder and be sure to turn out on Nov 6. It could very well be 1948 in reverse.

  243. Limbaugh via wbboei: “A recent Fox News story reports that Romney and Ryan are both beginning to emphasize a bipartisan message rather than sharpen the contrasts between Obama’s manifest failures and their plan for America. They must not follow this suicidal path.”
    ====

    I disagree. Romney is a centrist and it is fitting and sound that he present himself as such. That is what the country needs, both now and forevermore.

    Which is not at all to say that he should not inveigh against O and show up O’s failures. One of O’s greatest failures is that he has not been a centrist and in no way bipartisan as he had promised.

  244. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 12:29 am
    From Breitbart via moononpluto: “This election, it isn’t so much about polling as propaganda. The polls are simply a tool being used by the media”
    ———————-
    it is called the “bandwagon effect”.

    In a court of law, big media would be impeached with no difficulty for three classic reasons which are well established grounds for same:

    1. Bias: their left wing bias, and statist agenda are a matter of record. Polling data and anecdotal evidence confirms this to be a fact. In addition they have no respect for the intelligence and judgment of the American People. Therefore, they bamboozle them.

    2. Motive: they are part of the Obama campaign, helped elect him and the deliver Obama’s talking points routinely. They rig polls for the same reason to drive headlines and produce a bandwagon effect.

    3. Interest: they have an economic interest in the outcome. The grand bargains he makes, like Obamacare, suck the wealth of the nation into their community. If they go belly up, he will bail them out. They are lazy and willing to print his talking points as if they were their own. Hence, they are joined at the hip.

  245. rickya: “[Jones] was making a point about the violent and hateful book that is the Quran. We can debate that point forever.”

    I for one am not prepared to engage in that debate, because I know precious little about the Koran or Muhammed’s life. I intuit that you know even less, and have no good reason to qualify the Koran or Islam as “violent and hateful”.

    I do know something about American society, however. When you say that Jones “is acting within the bounds of society,” you are speaking in the shadows of nombrilism, i.e., an awareness of American society alone. Note that there have been no riots by Muslims on American soil. So I can only conclude that Muslims in the US are not violent or hateful, and this is because they are accustomed to the free-for-all of irresponsible speech in America, which many of us take to be a fundamental American value.

    rickya: “What can’t be debated is that the actions of the violent protesters are illegal and barbaric.”

    To my knowledge, no one has debated that point. However, why can’t it be debated? Are you placing limits on my free speech?

    rickya: “I have seen the lengths at which you will go to twist yourself in a pretzel to defend precious Islam.”

    You are saying this to turndownobama, but I will take this on the chin too.

    My approach, and tdo’s as well, has been to try to stem the tide of Islamophobia expressed on this site. Making blanket statements about “violent and hateful” Islam are not conducive to debate, especially when they are made by people who know next to nothing about Islam or its believers, or the Koran, and in the presence of no Muslims who can defend themselves.

    rickya: “It is really entertaining and instructive of how cults rot the brain.”

    Good point, but irrelevant here.

  246. Well Well well a cudgel to beat him to over the head with.

    Obama to Cut 131 Million Dollars from Embassy Security

    You have to give Obama credit, this is a man who knows how to deal with a crisis. Some nut like Mitt Romney would run around shooting Muslims from the hip, but Obama meets with his advisers and dutifully studies ways to make each and every crisis that much worse. Because that’s what good government is.

    Obama’s Sequestration Plan Would Cut $1.084 Billion From The State Department’s Diplomatic And Consular Program, Including $2 Million For The Protection Of Foreign Missions And Officials, And $129 Million For Embassy Security, Construction, And Maintenance. (“OMB Report Pursuant To The Sequestration Transparency Act Of 2012,” Office Of Management And Budget, pp. 135-136, 9/14/12)

    Err what do embassies need security for anyway? What are the real odds of a bunch of Muslim Jihadists deciding to carry out a series of embassy attacks timed with September 11? Also who needs 20,000 Marines, let’s cut that money and put it into Solyandra and free condoms for Catholic schools.

    But that’s okay. Stop looking at the negative and focus on the positive.

    I know the images on our televisions are disturbing. But let us never forget that for every angry mob, there are millions who yearn for the freedom, and dignity, and hope that our flag represents. That is the cause of America – the ideals that took root in our founding; the opportunity that drew so many to our shores; and the awesome progress that we have promoted all across the globe.

    There’s a silver lining for every cloud. For every Muslim who is burning an American embassy, there’s a Muslim yearning to move to America and bomb our bars, planes and Christmas tree lighting events.

    Who needs security anyway?

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obama-to-cut-131-million-dollars-from-embassy-security/

  247. Wbboei: “In a court of law, big media would be impeached with no difficulty…”

    If only! Your hypothetical case against them in court is funny, I guess because it is spot-on but impossible.

    “The polls are simply a tool being used by the media”


    wbboei: “it is called the “bandwagon effect”.”

    I can understand the bandwagon effect among public officials who want to endorse the winner before it is too late, for the sake of their own chit bank and how much they can grub off the winner after the election. The same would apply to activists.

    What is incomprehensible to me is the bandwagon effect in the grunt voter’s mind. What difference would it make to an undecided voter if they thought Obama or Romney was going to win? Why should that influence their decision?

  248. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 1:48 am
    I for one am not prepared to engage in that debate, because I know precious little about the Koran or Muhammed’s life. I intuit that you know even less, and have no good reason to qualify the Koran or Islam as “violent and hateful”.

    This is not the thrust of my response. What I was referring to was the debate about whether or not the filmmaker acted within the bounds of society. I say that he is while you say that he isn’t.

    I do know something about American society, however. When you say that Jones “is acting within the bounds of society,” you are speaking in the shadows of nombrilism, i.e., an awareness of American society alone. Note that there have been no riots by Muslims on American soil. So I can only conclude that Muslims in the US are not violent or hateful, and this is because they are accustomed to the free-for-all of irresponsible speech in America, which many of us take to be a fundamental American value.

    Huh?!? Aren’t you making my point? In our society, freedom of speech is highly valued. Unless the speech crosses legal lines, it is NOT considered out of bounds. If you continue with this appeasement, wait till Muslims gain a sizable minority in the US. You’ll get riots. Look at France and UK.

    To my knowledge, no one has debated that point. However, why can’t it be debated? Are you placing limits on my free speech?

    Are you kidding? This is exactly what turndown is trying to defend. He was equating the actions of the violent protesters with the filmmakers actions and in fact was saying that the filmmakers actions are worse.

    Obviously, you can debate any crazy thing you want. Just know that we are pointing at you and laughing while you argue that ridiculous point.

    You are saying this to turndownobama, but I will take this on the chin too.

    My approach, and tdo’s as well, has been to try to stem the tide of Islamophobia expressed on this site. Making blanket statements about “violent and hateful” Islam are not conducive to debate, especially when they are made by people who know next to nothing about Islam or its believers, or the Koran, and in the presence of no Muslims who can defend themselves.

    Stem the tide of Islamophobia? How can you do this with any level of integrity when you admit that you precious little about Islam? Are you sure that the statements that you consider Islamophobic is wrong? How do you know that? Maybe they are accurate. What about the following statements: (1) Muhammad is a pedophile (2) Muhammad is a murderer (3) Muhammad is crazy (4) Muhammad is a bandit. These are all ABSOLUTELY TRUE statements. You will find this out if you just read up on Islam. The statement that Islam (as opposed to Muslims, in general) is violent and hateful is entirely defensible. It is intellectually dishonest for you to defend it if you admit that you don’t know anything about it. I’m sorry if you think that I don’t know anything about Islam. That’s pure conjecture on your part. On the other hand, I am sure that you know nothing about Islam as you have admitted.

    Good point, but irrelevant here.

    This is totally relevant as this refers to people whose logic disappears when they are trying to defend something that they are emotionally attached to.

  249. A word from a (former) Obot:

    “An apology to Hillary

    Drying tears again, resilient Clinton proves true leader

    By Margery Eagan
    Sunday, September 16, 2012 –

    At Andrews Air Force Base on Friday, a military band played “Nearer, My God, to Thee.” Marines in dress uniforms carried to four black hearses the flag-draped caskets of the Americans, including Winchester native Glen Doherty, killed at our consulate in Libya. President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton led the solemn ceremony, Clinton speaking before him.

    “If the last few days teach us anything, let it be this: that this work and the men and women who risk their lives to do it are at the heart of what makes America great and good,” said Clinton, her voice at times uneven with emotion for the dead men she had employed.

    Then she said: “So we will wipe away our tears, stiffen our spines, and face the future undaunted.”

    It was a perfect line for America and for Americans who try to keep peace in a smoldering Middle East. It was a line, too, that captured — unwittingly or not — how Clinton has lived her life. How many times since this woman took center stage in this country nearly 20 years ago has she, privately and publicly, wiped away her tears, stiffened her spine, and faced the future undaunted.

    Clinton appeared to be crying again as she listened to Obama, seeming stricken himself. And when Obama finished and walked back behind the podium, Clinton reached for his hand like an older sister or even a mother, and held it for a second or two. It was a moment the history books will remember.

    There was the first black president on the verge of re-election, or not. There was the woman expected to be the first female president, until he showed up out of nowhere. There was the rivalry and tortured history, Bill Clinton ever the third actor in the shadows. But all of it was put aside for something bigger than politics or egos: their country. We don’t see enough of that anymore.

    When her husband was president, I made a career out of trashing Hillary Clinton’s hairdos, pantsuits, her attempted health care coup, her right-wing conspiracy theories, her staying with that slippery serial philanderer. Four years ago in the presidential primary I rooted for Obama over her.

    Yet when she finally conceded a totally unexpected defeat, a different Hillary Clinton began to emerge. She surprised us by accepting a consolation prize, secretary of state. She then went on to perform it so ably that nearly two-thirds of Americans, an almost unprecedented percentage, approve of her and her rehabilitated — or so we hope — spouse.

    More than once since 2008 I’ve wondered: Would she have done a better job than Obama? I don’t know. But I do know I sold this woman short.

    In awful moments in history, some leaders rise to the occasion, and some don’t. Think Ronald Reagan’s reassurance after the Challenger disaster. Or George Bush on the rubble of Ground Zero after 9/11, telling the world we’d never forget. Friday, by comparison, was a tiny moment. Still, Hillary Clinton rose to meet it.”

  250. I can understand the bandwagon effect among public officials who want to endorse the winner before it is too late, for the sake of their own chit bank and how much they can grub off the winner after the election.

    =====================

    This applies to Big Media too, per Wbboei on their own financial motives: suck up to get access later. And help their choice win.

  251. rickya
    September 17th, 2012 at 3:28 am

    ======================

    It’s not necessary to use both blockquote and bold in the same post. Even bold without the blockquotes makes you look like you’re yelling. And both disappear when someone quotes your post. So it’s better to label each speaker with their initials, or at least quote marks or a flag like &&&.

    Your posts are getting so thick with insults that they’re verging on personal attack, which is discouraged here, so I’m mostly just scrolling through them, not engaging.

  252. turndownobama
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:15 am

    We are talking about substantial things and you want to talk about format?

    Don’t give me excuses for not responding. You are not responding simply because you can’t engage the arguments. That’s all.

  253. “Unless the speech crosses legal lines, it is NOT considered out of bounds.” So there are legal lines after all? My impression is that there are not; rather that the freedom of speech you so highly value is simply unbounded, or at least it is not met with accountability for our words as the Founding Fathers assumed (take a looksee at the literature of that time).

    turndownobama “was equating the actions of the violent protesters with the filmmakers actions”

    Well, if that’s the case, I didn’t catch that. I would not agree with tdo there.

    “Stem the tide of Islamophobia? How can you do this with any level of integrity when you admit that you precious little about Islam?”

    I have enough integrity to admit I know little about Islam. Islamophobes know even less but don’t have the integrity to admit it. They’ll take little tidbits from the Koran or statements from some radical imam and blow it up into a worldview that suits them.

    The statements you put forward as “absolutely true” are not necessarily so; and even if there is some truth to them, they serve no purpose except to stir up hatred for Mohammed or Muslims in general. You seem to be certain that Mohammed was a pedophile, for example.

    I won’t debate that because it makes little difference to me that someone who died 1500 years ago was a pedophile when the Catholic priests of the 21st century are fondling their choirboys. That makes 7th-century Mohammed in Arabia no better than a 21st-century Catholic priest in America. So what?

    “I’m sorry if you think that I don’t know anything about Islam. That’s pure conjecture on your part.”

    It’s conjecture, yes; but, based on what you’ve been saying, it’s clear to me that you know less about Islam than I do. I did not say you know nothing.

    I have not read the Koran, but I have known Muslims – one of them for nearly 50 years and who is now an imam in Canada – and I have occasionally sounded them out about the tenets and practices of Islam. What they have told me does not endear their religion to me, I could never be induced into accepting Islam and it is not my “precious Islam”. But at least I have some grounds for disputing Islamophobia.

    “On the other hand, I am sure that you know nothing about Islam as you have admitted.”

    And I did not say that I know nothing either. There’s no sense trying to match wits with me on the subject of Islam. Neither of us has the wherewithal to settle any question on the matter.

    “It is really entertaining and instructive of how cults rot the brain…. This is totally relevant as this refers to people whose logic disappears when they are trying to defend something that they are emotionally attached to.“

    Yes, it would be relevant if someone were indeed trying to defend something that they are emotionally attached to.

    But that is not the case here, so it is irrelevant.

    I say this because, in discussion, I never get emotionally attached to anything but rather view the whole discussion, including my own person, from arm’s length.

    That is perhaps the very problem I’ve had over the past few days, with people accusing me of justifying the mob actions in the Muslim world by criticizing the American penchant for irresponsible speech – whereas I haven’t talked about the riots at all. That is an accusation by emotional people: I’m supposed to get riled up and emotional like everyone else over the loss of life and property. But I’m not and, in fact, if the losses affected me more closely such as the loss of a family member, I still wouldn’t get riled up about Muslims or Egyptians or Libyans and so forth. I have the typical Christian reaction: If my brother slaps me, I want to know why; and I begin my search within my own soul.

    You, on the other hand, seem to be emotionally attached to the supreme value of irresponsible speech because no amount of reasoning seems to have gotten through to you.

  254. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9547081/Wall-Street-braced-for-Occupy-first-anniversary-protest.html

    This oughta be fun…….the muppets are back. Something I’m sure Dumbo can do without.

    Wall Street braced for Occupy first anniversary protest

    Wall Street is today braced for its first major demonstration in a year, as hundreds of people are expected to take to the streets to mark the first anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

    A series of “sit-ins” are planned throughout New York’s financial district from about 7:30am, according to the organisers’ website. The New York Stock Exchange, the headquarters of bailed-out insurer AIG and the New York Federal Reserve are expected to be among the targets.

    Monday’s action follows a series of largely peaceful marches over the weekend in New York, where more than 200 people descended on Zuccotti Park near Wall Street. A year ago today, demonstrators first occupied Zuccotti Park in a bid to draw attention to rising income inequality in the US and a raft of other issues, including America’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The protesters were evicted from the park by New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg last November. The occupation became the symbolic focus for similar protests across the US and the rest of the world, including London. Although the movement lacked a clear set of policy demands, it did briefly threaten last autumn to become a major force in this year’s election. However, it has since largely faded from public view since.

    New York police says no permits have been secured for today’s demonstrations, but that they anticipate they will be largely peaceful.

    read on……………..

  255. http://triblive.com/opinion/2596253-74/obama-iowa-johnson-state-clinton-counter-democrats-romney-vote-guinan#axzz26dgGcGWd

    Hawkeye Dems disgruntled

    GLIDDEN, Iowa

    William J. Clinton and three other locals — Tim, Jeff and Jack, who declined to give their last names — sat at the Dairy Mart lunch counter, a Carroll County roadside staple on the Lincoln Highway for more than 60 years.

    Besides a name, Clinton said, he shares only one thing with America’s 42nd president: “We are both from the South and both Democrats.”

    He and his lunch-counter buddies voiced displeasure with America’s direction.

    “Let me tell you something,” Clinton said. “It takes more than pretty words to run the country. I was fooled once by the president. I am not going to be fooled again.”

    One by one, all four said they are Democrats, voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and, in Clinton’s words, “cannot wait till election day to vote for Romney.”

    “You guys have it all wrong,” said Mike Johnson from behind the counter, where he cooked four pork tenderloin sandwiches. With oil sizzling in a large cast-iron pan, he insisted that “Obama’s a nice guy, I’m voting for him again” — to a collective groan from his customers.

    Johnson’s father built this red-and-white-checked ice cream shack in the 1950s, complete with an incredible innovation for its time — a drive-thru window to entice families using the coast-to-coast highway for great American road trips.

    He admitted he has “no solid reason” to support Obama again, adding: “I guess I just don’t want him to fail.”

    “Fail? Hell, he did that a long time ago,” said Tim, who owns a small business down the road.

    Iowa is tight, according to Steffen Schmidt, an Iowa State University political science professor.

    “Not leaning, but a complete tossup,” Schmidt said.

    In 2008, Iowa put Obama on the political map by kicking off his string of caucus and primary victories. It followed that with an easy Obama win over Republican John McCain in the fall.

    Today, Democrats across the state feel the same disillusionment articulated by the lunch-counter quartet.

    More than 500 miles of crisscrossing Iowa uncovered scores of Hawkeye Democrats unhappy with the country’s direction and the White House under Obama.

    Winery owner John Guinan said he “wanted to put a sign outside that said, ‘I can’t wait to vote,’ but I thought it was a bit over the top.”

    Five years ago, Guinan and his wife, Rose, transformed an old Ford assembly plant-turned-auto-dealership into the enchanting Santa Maria Vineyard & Winery, with stone courtyards and a restaurant offering the feel of Tuscany. Guinan said it’s “the third largest winery in the state.”

    He admitted his passion to vote for Mitt Romney didn’t exist until Romney picked Paul Ryan as his running mate: “Right then and there, he had my vote. Ryan is very bright, very capable, and understands the serious problems facing the finances of our country.”

    read on……………

  256. Rickya, you are wasting your breath with the bought and paid for concern troll blogging squad. Its a worthless effort, thisis what they do on each and every site across the board, divde and conquer get everyone fighting amongst themselves, its the tactic that has been employed for years now.

  257. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:33 am

    Of course there are legal lines, who says there aren’t. That’s a strawman that you are fighting there.

    You have enough integrity to admit that you know little about Islam but not enough to admit that if you know little about it then you couldn’t possibly evaluate statements regarding Islam. That is not integrity, that is arrogance. Your statement that both of us don’t have the wherewithal to answer questions about Islam is pure guess work on your part.

    I was like you before I studied up I’ve been studying Islam for 10 years now. I live in a country with a sizable Muslim population. I know what I’m talking about. Your defense against Islamophobia is without basis since you know practically nothing about it. Have you picked up the Quran in the past 5 years or so? So enough about this, because it’s clear from your statements that you don’t know what you’re talking about. At the risk of sounding condescending, I ‘ve been where you are. I was like you before I started my study of Islam. I thought that all religions are all good. But when I studied it, I found that it is really an evil religion. Again, I am not talking about Muslims but of Islam.

    You say that you don’t care whether or not Muhammad is a pedophile because Catholic priests are pedophiles too. There is a huge difference between the two statements (Muhammad is a pedophile, Catholic priests are pedophiles)- only one of these statements will result in murder. It makes little difference to you but you see, some Muslims react violently to truth. This is a problem.

    Think about this….what if the filmmaker was responsible? What if the filmmaker created a film that is ALL true and researched properly? What if the truth that comes out are the statements that I posed to you in my previous post? Do you think that the reaction from the Muslims will be any different? Muslims react violently to a lot of things. Modifying our behavior in anticipation of their violence never works. And it is not as if their reaction is at all valid or justifiable.

    If you want to be a dhimmi, that’s your choice. Turn the other cheek and search within for yourself.

  258. He’s an effing one man band:

    AP Sources: Obama launches new China trade action Sept 17 2012 3:20 AM
    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is launching a new trade enforcement case against China, as he seeks an advantage over Republican rival Mitt Romney on an economic issue that has become a flashpoint in the presidential campaign.
    Senior administration officials say Obama will announce the new action, targeting Chinese subsidies for automobiles and automobile parts, Monday during a campaign trip to Ohio. The swing state has a large manufacturing base where many blame China for depressing its industry.
    Romney accuses Obama of being weak on China and ceding American jobs to the rising Asian power. The president says Romney has investments in Chinese companies and outsourced jobs to China while running the private equity firm Bain Capital.

    The officials requested anonymity in order to discuss the trade action ahead of the president.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57513910/ap-sources-obama-launches-new-china-trade-action/

  259. rickya (4:33 am):

    You seem determined to draw me into a debate about Islam. I have a premonition that you have a lot of factoids that you want to throw at me to show how much you know and how any person who has studied Islam for 10 years (except Muslims themselves, of course) must inevitably come to your conclusion that Islam “is really an evil religion.”

    When you say “I am not talking about Muslims but of Islam,” you are showing deep ignorance of what Islam is. That is:

    I can say, as I often do, that Catholicism is anathema to me, or I hate it (not true, but it’s almost that bad) because the Catholic Church exists, with an intellectual hierarchy that establishes a doctrine that all Catholics are supposed to believe. Result: You can study Church dogma for a few years, or even a few weeks, and get a pretty good idea of what the Church wants its faithful to believe.

    The same is not true of Islam. Compared to the Catholic Church, Islam is an upside down nebula. A Muslim becomes a believer first, and then follows the rules and wisdom laid down not by some Pope but by a local imam. There is a fluid hierarchy among imams – depending on their life experience, their teachings will have more or less sway in their community – but that is the sum total of Muslim hierarchy: the local imam. There are at least 80 million imams worldwide, and they do not all have the same viewpoint – far from it – but it is they who define what Islam is, not some Pope or some American non-believer who studies book renditions of Islam for 10 years.

    So, right off the bat, I can say that my private meetings and discussions with Muslims are of greater value in actually trying to understand what Islam is all about, whereas your readings would be more useful for someone looking for ammunition against Islam, or tying extremist Muslims into the nebulous mainstream. I suspect that that is what you want to do.

    You assert, in your purely hypothetical assumption that “the filmmaker created a film that is all true and researched properly,” which is absolutely not the case, that “Muslims react violently to a lot of things” from which you expect me to infer that Muslims are going to go violent no matter what we say, true or not.

    You drive this at best hypo- hypothetical presumption home by asserting that “Modifying our behavior in anticipation of their violence never works,” but you have no reason at all for saying that. You are implying that Muslims, acting under some pre-ordained Islamic code, are simply an army waiting for the chance to go to war. History over the past 1500 years will show you the opposite is true: Except for the conquest of the Crescent, Muslims have spent their time seeking and living in peace in the face of European conquest.

    “Turn the other cheek and search within for yourself.” Yes, that is indeed my gut reaction; but I should tell you that I always search within myself before the slap comes, which has avoided quite few slaps in my life. Always assuming that I was right, on the other hand, would have landed me in the cooler for sure.

  260. turndownobama “was equating the actions of the violent protesters with the filmmakers actions”

    jes: Well, if that’s the case, I didn’t catch that. I would not agree with tdo there.

    ==========================

    Like most posters here, I assume the killing of the Ambassador was the work of a military group, well armed and well planned — not just “violent protestors”. And that it had real political motives, not just ‘about a film’. Also, the motives of the film-makers are not as clear as Jones’s motives.

    So on the philosophical/moral issues I’m mostly talking about Jones. and the protests against his Koran burning (and similar non-military protests of the films in Eqypt, India, etc).

    At some point we need to look at what’s practical, and at outcomes. And we can’t say that if something is legal (by US law) then it’s also moral. Much of our political debate is about making our laws comply with the majority’s sense of morality — where it can be practically defined and enforced.

    Jones knew the practical outcome of his gesture would be riots and people would get hurt: many people. He chose to cause that result.

  261. jes said:
    I can say, as I often do, that Catholicism is anathema to me, or I hate it (not true, but it’s almost that bad) because the Catholic Church exists, with an intellectual hierarchy that establishes a doctrine that all Catholics are supposed to believe.

    ==================

    Well, that’s still coming down on the side that says a religion “is” what some authorities want its people to believe. This is being debated among Catholic laymen on Catholic forums. Many say that the church is the laymen themselves, and ‘Catholicism’ is waht the majority of laymen DO believe now, not what its books or its bishops want them to believe.

  262. Argueing with T and J the muslim obots is foolish.
    they are paid trolls who change the subject, argue to distraction and make your eyes bleed.

    when you tink about the islam religion this is all you need to know… it is the religion of intolerance and violence.
    gonzotx
    September 16th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    rickya

    I think that the problem here is one of understanding on your part. My criticism is not on Muslims per se. There are good and bad Muslims like there are good and bad Christians. My criticism is about the religion itself.
    ***********

    good Muslim, like a “good Nazi”. This is not a religion…

    List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days

    Date Country City Killed Injured Description
    2012.09.16 Afghanistan Gereshk 12 0 A dozen women and young children are destroyed by Taliban bombers.
    2012.09.16 Pakistan Jandool 14 7 Three women and three children are among fourteen civilians taken apart by a Sunni hardliner bomb.
    2012.09.15 Iraq Hajj Ali 3 0 Three cousins are murdered in their own home by Mujahideen.
    2012.09.15 Thailand Pattani 4 0 Muslim militants ambush a vehicle and shoot four occupants to death including a housekeeper.
    2012.09.14 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Muslim ’separatists’ shoot a villager in the head in front of his wife and 7-year-old daughter.
    2012.09.13 Pakistan Akkakhel 4 2 Two children are among four members of a family crushed in their own home by a Lashkar-e-Islam rocket.
    2012.09.13 Pakistan Quetta 3 4 A 2-year-old is among the casualties when Sunnis spray a car carrying Shias with automatic weapons fire.
    2012.09.12 Somalia Mogadishu 8 10 Eight people are turned into ‘pieces of meat’ by a suicide bombing at a hotel.
    2012.09.11 Yemen Sanaa 12 12 Twelve people bleed out in the aftermath of a suspected al-Qaeda blast.
    2012.09.11 Libya Benghazi 4 17 An Ambassador is among four Americans killed when protesters angry over a Muhammad film storm the US consulate.
    2012.09.10 India Baramulla 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a village head to death.
    2012.09.10 Afghanistan Kunduz 21 15 A Holy Warrior blows himself up at a demonstration, sending twenty-one other souls to Allah.
    2012.09.10 Pakistan Parachinar 14 45 Sunnis murder fourteen members of the minority Shiite sect with a car bomb that rips through a packed market.
    2012.09.10 Iraq Mussayib 3 2 Sunni bombers take down three Shiites near their shrine.
    2012.09.10 Iraq Bayaa 8 32 Eight people at a coffee shop are blown to bits by a Mujahid car bomb.
    2012.09.10 Syria Aleppo 20 0 Video surfaces of the Salman al-Farisi members executing twenty captured prisoners in cold blood while praising Allah.
    2012.09.10 Syria Aleppo 17 40 The FSA claims a bombing outside a hospital and school that leaves seventeen civilians dead.
    2012.09.10 Iraq Hillah 2 3 Two civilians are taken down by Jihadi bombers.
    2012.09.10 Mali Gao 0 5 Five cousins have their hands and feet cut off by Islamists citing the Quran.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Basra 3 24 A vicious bombing along a city street kills three.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Kirkuk 8 17 al-Qaeda car bombers slaughter eight oil company employees.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Dujail 11 7 A Shahid suicide bomber sends seven Iraqis to Allah.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Amara 16 100 Dedicated Sunni car bombers massacre sixteen Shiites outside their shrine.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Kirkuk 7 70 Two Islamic Army of Iraq bombs tear apart seven people outside of a police station.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Nasiriyah 2 3 Mujahideen bomb a hotel, killing at least two.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Baghdad 7 21 A Mujahideen bomb targeting a market seven dead bodies.
    2012.09.09 Thailand Narathiwat 2 1 Two men are killed and a 9-year-old boy loses his leg to Muslim ‘rebels’.
    2012.09.09 Afghanistan Farah 1 16 A 12-year-old boy is disassembled by a Taliban bomb.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Maysan 5 40 Five Shiites are blown to bits outside their own mosque by Sunni bombers.
    2012.09.09 Iraq uz Khormato 4 41 Four shoppers at a market are flattened by an al-Qaeda blast.
    2012.09.09 Syria Homs 4 24 Sunni terrorists are suspected in a bus bombing that leaves four dead.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Baghdad 3 14 Holy warriors detonate a bomb outside a pet market, killing three people.
    2012.09.09 Afghanistan Mula Khel 6 0 Religion of Peace extremists pull six civilians out of a vehicle and execute them.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Tal Afar 2 7 al-Qaeda bombers take down two innocents.
    2012.09.09 Iraq Baghdad 5 21 A restaurant blast by the Islamic Army of Iraq kills five patrons.
    2012.09.08 Iraq Qaim 1 0 A 5-year-old girl is killed instantly by an FSA rocket.
    2012.09.08 Pakistan Shalobar 2 0 A Religion of Peace blast sends two highway patrolmen to the morque.
    2012.09.08 Afghanistan Kabul 6 4 Six civilians, mostly children, are torn to shreds by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
    2012.09.08 Afghanistan Kajaki 5 2 Five Afghans are taken down by Taliban roadside bombers.
    2012.09.07 Syria Damascus 5 6 Five security personnel are killed by a bomb blast as they leave a mosque.
    2012.09.07 Lebanon Ain al-Hilweh 1 0 Jund al-Sham terrorists are accused of assassinating a local official.
    2012.09.07 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A policeman investigating Sunni sectarian killings is sprayed with bullets.
    2012.09.07 Philippines Sumisip 1 35 Seven Abu Sayyaf fire into a crowd of plantation workers on their lunch break, killing one.
    2012.09.07 Iraq Kirkuk 9 80 Sunni bombers take out nine Shias near their mosque.
    2012.09.07 Lebanon Damour 1 0 A man is stabbed merely for belonging to the ‘wrong’ religious sect.
    2012.09.07 Afghanistan Kabul 0 3 Three actresses are stabbed by religious hardliners for appearing with ‘immodest’ outfits.
    2012.09.07 Libya Rajma 3 3 Three people are killed when Islamic fundamentalists attempt to blow up a rival shrine.
    2012.09.06 Nigeria Yobe 16 0 Boko Haram Islamists murder sixteen people in a series of attacks.
    2012.09.06 Pakistan Sipah 3 8 A child is among three crushed to death by a Lashkar-e-Islam mortar shell slamming into their home.
    2012.09.06 Pakistan Gulistan Colony 1 0 An Ahmadi schoolteacher is gunned down in a targeted attack.
    2012.09.06 Iraq al-Sharqat 1 1 The leader of an Iraqi anti-terror unit is killed by a bomb.
    2012.09.05 Ingushetia Datykh 6 1 Mujahideen ambush and kill six Russians.
    2012.09.05 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shia doctor is murdered in his clinic by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.
    2012.09.05 India Kerala 1 0 A Hindu activist dies from a stabbing attack by Muslim ‘activists’ at a university campus two months earlier.
    2012.09.05 Iraq Tikrit 2 0 Two Sunnis are ambushed and killed by al-Qaeda gunmen.
    2012.09.05 Iraq Khalis 1 8 Jihadis kill one person with a car bomb blast near a clinic.
    2012.09.05 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shiite dentist is taken out in a Sunni drive-by.
    2012.09.05 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 A 75-year-old Shiite is murdered along with his 17-year-old grandson in a targeted shooting by Sunnis.
    2012.09.04 Iraq Tuz Khurmatu 6 2 Terrorists massacre six Iraqis with automatic weapons.
    2012.09.04 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 28-year-old Buddhist villager is slain by Muslim gunmen.
    2012.09.04 Kenya Mombasa 2 0 Two more people are reported killed by rioters whipped into frenzy by a radical imam.
    2012.09.04 Iraq Fallujah 1 0 Suspected al-Qaeda members machine-gun a judge in his own home.
    2012.09.04 Afghanistan Dor Baba 25 35 Over two dozen mourners at a funeral are blasted into bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
    2012.09.04 Pakistan Pirabad 2 0 Sunnis shoot two Shiites to death.
    2012.09.04 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A 16-year-old victim of ‘insurgents’ is found with his head, hands and feet cut off.
    2012.09.04 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 Wahhabis shoot a Shia traffic cop three times in the head.
    2012.09.04 Somalia Barawe 2 0 al-Shabaab Islamists tie two men to a pole and open up on them with automatic weapons.
    2012.09.04 Nigeria Gwange 4 0 Four people are shot and stabbed in their own homes by suspected Boko Haram.
    2012.09.03 Nigeria Maiduguri 2 0 A lecturer is among two people murdered by Islamist assassins.
    2012.09.03 Syria Jaramana 4 12 Sunni rebels are blamed for a car bomb blast in a residential neighborhood.
    2012.09.03 Nigeria New Marte 3 0 Two civilians and a cop are murdered by Boko Haram gunmen.
    2012.09.03 Pakistan Peshawar 2 25 Two civilians are killed in a suicide car bomb attack on a U.S. Consulate vehicle.
    2012.09.02 Pakistan Bazarak Khwar 1 4 Muslim radicals ambush a police vehicle and kill the driver.
    2012.09.02 Mali Gao 1 0 A kidnapped Algerian diplomat is executed in captivity by al-Qaeda.
    2012.09.02 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 Another Shia minority dies from injuries suffered in a targeted attack by Sunni.
    2012.09.01 Syria Deir al-Zour 1 2 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out one other person.
    2012.09.01 Pakistan Hazar Ganji 5 0 Sunnis pull five Shia vegetable seller off of a truck and calmly shoot them to death.
    2012.09.01 Pakistan Quetta 2 0 Two Shias walking along the side of the road are taken out by Sunnis on a motorbike.
    2012.09.01 Afghanistan Wardak 13 78 Twin suicide bombers incinerate over a dozen people including a child and two women.
    2012.09.01 Thailand Narathiwat 0 2 Muslim bombers tear off the legs of two plantation workers.
    2012.09.01 Pakistan Quetta 2 10 Two demonstraters are killed when Sunnis fire on Shias protesting an earlier murder.
    2012.09.01 Iraq Baghdad 2 11 Terrorists set off a bomb outside a coffee shop, killing two patrons.
    2012.09.01 Syria Damascus 15 3 A Sunni group is blamed for a car bomb attack near a rival mosque.
    2012.09.01 Iraq Basra 1 1 Knife-wielding ‘insurgents’ stab a judge to death in this home.
    2012.08.31 Pakistan Peshawar 12 12 A dozen Pakistanis are torn to shreds by a Taliban bomb near a mosque.
    2012.08.31 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A Shiite imam is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.
    2012.08.31 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Two Shiite worshippers are shot to death on their way home.
    2012.08.31 Iraq Baghdad 1 1 A Sunni attack on a Shiite cleric his driver dead.
    2012.08.31 Egypt Muqatta 1 0 Islamic extremists kidnap and behead a local man.
    2012.08.31 Pakistan Shor Kot 1 0 Following a fatwa against women using cell phones, a girl is honor killed after her brother discovers her with one and suspects immoral activity.
    2012.08.31 Pakistan Jacobabad 2 0 A Muslim shoots his sister-in-law and niece to death over alleged sexual misconduct.
    2012.08.31 Afghanistan Sahib Khan 5 0 Five villagers are kidnapped and executed by the Taliban.
    2012.08.30 Indonesia Solo 1 0 A jailed cleric’s hardline followers gun down a cop in a drive-by.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Batwar 12 0 Fundamentalists praise Allah as they videotape the beheading of a dozen captured Pakistani soldiers.
    2012.08.30 Thailand Yala 1 0 A Buddhist trader sitting in his truck is shot and beheaded by Muslim militants.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Quetta 3 0 Sunnis spray a car carrying a Shia judge with automatic fire, killing three occupants.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 A Tehreek-e-Taliban member shoots a young man to death at a market.
    2012.08.30 Iraq Hillah 2 0 ‘Insurgents’ murder two Iraqis sitting in a car.
    2012.08.30 Afghanistan Kapisa 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists are thought responsible for the beheading of a 6-year-old girl.
    2012.08.30 Pakistan Beaver Ridge Canaan 5 0 Suspecting his mother and four sisters of ‘illicit relations’, a man drugs the five and then butchers them in their sleep.
    2012.08.30 Afghanistan Baraki Barak 5 10 Islamic radicals fire a rocket into a bus stop, killing five civilians.
    2012.08.30 Syria Damascus 2 0 Two policemen guarding the Lebanese embassy are brutally murdered in a sectarian attack.
    2012.08.29 Iraq Kirkuk 5 3 al-Qaeda bombers take down five people.
    2012.08.29 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 Islamic radicals shoot a young Christian to death in a residential neighborhood.
    2012.08.29 Germany Berlin 0 1 A rabbi is beaten by Muslims in front of his young daughter for ‘being Jewish’.
    2012.08.29 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic ’separatists’ shoot a man in the head as he is eating noodles.
    2012.08.29 Syria Zamalka 7 0 A family of seven Christians, including three children, are shot in the street by ‘Liua Islam’.
    2012.08.29 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A cleric is gunned down in his mosque by Religion of Peace rivals.
    2012.08.29 Georgia Lapankuri 3 0 A doctor is among three people who die trying to rescue innocent hostages taken by Islamic radicals.
    2012.08.29 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 A 12-year-old boy is kidnapped and beheaded by the Taliban.
    2012.08.29 Pakistan Ghatbadr 8 6 Armed Islamists attack a checkpost, leaving eight defenders dead.
    2012.08.29 Afghanistan Logar 1 0 A woman is killed inside her home by a Taliban rocket.
    2012.08.28 Somalia Merka 1 0 A UN humanitarian worker is murdered by suspected al-Shabaab.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Kunar 5 0 A suicide bomber on foot murders five local troops.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Uruzgan 3 2 Three Australian soldiers are shot in the back by a Taliban in army uniform while they are relaxing.
    2012.08.28 Iraq Waziriyah 2 0 Two Iraqis are murdered by suspected al-Qaeda.
    2012.08.28 Dagestan Belidzhi 7 6 Influence by ‘Islamist literature’, a border guard murders seven fellow soldiers.
    2012.08.28 Dagestan Chirkey 7 0 A female suicide bomber takes down a 74-year-old Sufi cleric and six others at his home, including a 12-year-old boy.
    2012.08.28 Kenya Mombasa 2 13 A civilian and a cop are killed when a Muslim militant hurls a grenade at them.
    2012.08.28 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 20 Four civilians are sent to Allah by Fedayeen suicide truck bombers.
    2012.08.28 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Runda Kumpalan Kecil cadres open fire on a passenger train, killing a guard.
    2012.08.28 Syria Jaramana 27 48 Sunni terrorists are blamed for a car bombing attack on a Christian funeral that leaves twenty-seven dead, including children.
    2012.08.27 Afghanistan Musa Qala 17 0 Fundamentalists interrupt a party and behead two women and fifteen men for dancing to music.
    2012.08.27 Pakistan Katha Kanray 1 1 A member of a peace committee bleeds to death after Islamic militants set off a roadside bom.
    2012.08.27 Mali Ansongo 1 0 A man bleeds to death after his hand is cut off by Islamists.
    2012.08.27 Afghanistan Washir 10 4 Taliban in uniform infiltrate a unit a shoot ten Afghan soldiers to death.
    2012.08.27 Kenya Mombasa 1 0 A Muslim mob hacks a person to death after urged on by an imam.
    2012.08.27 Iraq Mosul 2 5 Two civilians are murdered in separate terror attacks.
    2012.08.27 Pakistan Quetta 3 2 Sectarian Jihadis fire on a car carrying Shia civilians, killing three.
    2012.08.26 Nigeria Gashua 1 0 A group ‘committed to the Prophet’s teachings’ attacks a local bank, killing the guard.
    2012.08.26 Iraq Garma 3 2 Mujahideen bring down three Iraqis with IEDs.
    2012.08.26 Pakistan Bajur 1 4 Taliban militants Afghanistan cross the border from Afghanistan and attack a police checkpost, killing one defender.
    2012.08.26 Indonesia Sampang 2 12 ‘Mainstream’ Muslims stop a group of Shia children and teachers, and proceed to hack at least two to death.
    2012.08.26 Iraq Baghdad 5 1 Islamic terrorists shoot three security guards and two others to death at an amusement park in a Shiite neighborhood.
    2012.08.26 Afghanistan Pailoch 3 0 A ‘girl and two boys’ are shot to death by the woman’s brother for committing adultery.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Zehi 2 4 Hardline bombers take out two Afghans.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Sistani 1 0 A civilian bleeds to death following the detonation of this car by Islamic radicals.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Paktia 5 12 Four separate Taliban bomb attacks leave five Afghans dead.
    2012.08.25 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Suspected al-Qaeda muder three people.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Gosfandi 1 0 A civilian is left dead following an ambush by Islamic militants.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Gereshk 1 6 A girl is killed by a Taliban rocket attack on her house.
    2012.08.25 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 Two Shiites are murdered by sectarian rivals.
    2012.08.25 Pakistan Bara 7 8 Seven members of a family are crushed to death when their home is hit by a Lashkar-e-Islam mortar shell.
    2012.08.25 Afghanistan Panjwayi 5 3 Five local troops are killed Sunni fundamentalists in a roadside blast.
    2012.08.24 Iraq Baghdad 3 8 Sunnis fire mortars into a group of Shiite worshippers, killing three.
    2012.08.24 Iraq Baghdad 6 12 At least six people are murdered when Islamic terrorists throw grenades into a hotel.
    2012.08.24 Lebanon Tripoli 3 41 A Sunni sheikh is shot dead by Shia gunmen. Two other people are killed in the same sectarian clash.
    2012.08.24 Pakistan Batwar 2 8 Women and children are among the casualties when Islamic militants open up on a village with automatic weapons.
    2012.08.24 Dagestan Khasavyurt 1 1 Islamic ‘militia’ shoot one person to death.
    2012.08.24 Iraq Khan Beni Saad 1 3 A Sunni bomb targeting a Shiite family kills one member.
    2012.08.23 Pakistan Chakwal 2 0 A couple that eloped without the girl’s family’s permission is snatched and hung from a tree.
    2012.08.23 Pakistan Hangu 3 0 Three policemen are ambushed and murdered by Islamic militants.
    2012.08.23 Dagestan Makhachkala 11 0 Five civilians are among eleven reported dead from Islamic terror attacks between the 11th and 17 of the month.
    2012.08.23 Sudan Kassab Camp 1 20 At least one person is reported killed when Arab milita invade an African refugee camp and rape dozens of women.
    2012.08.23 Tunisia Sidi Bouzid 0 7 Salafists attack people drinking alcohol with knives and sticks.
    2012.08.23 Afghanistan Ahmad Khil 3 0 Hardliners kidnap and kill three local soldiers who were on their way home to visit families.
    2012.08.23 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 6 0 Three children and two women are among six civilian blown into bits by a Taliban bomb.
    2012.08.23 Somalia Mogadishu 3 12 An al-Shabaab attack leaves three dead.
    2012.08.23 Pakistan Bakwa 2 0 Two local security guards are murdered by Sunni hardliners.
    2012.08.22 Dagestan Babayurt 1 0 A policeman dies from wounds suffered during an earlier ‘insurgent’ attack.
    2012.08.22 Dagestan Mokok 1 3 A soldier is killed by a Muslim sniper.
    2012.08.22 Lebanon Tripoli 4 25 Four more people die in clashes between Sunni and Shia.
    2012.08.22 Pakistan Islamabad 2 0 Video surfaces of the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi beheading two abducted Shiites.
    2012.08.22 Pakistan Joharabad 1 2 A Muslim mob attacks a brothel, killing the owner’s companion.
    2012.08.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 2 Muslim gunmen ambush a bus carrying civilian, killing one.
    2012.08.21 Nigeria Goniri 2 0 Gunmen shouting ‘Allah Akbar’ burn down several buildings and shoot two villagers to death.
    2012.08.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A 34-year-old civilian is picked off in a Muslim drive-by.
    2012.08.21 Pakistan Faisalabad 1 0 A Muslim perpetrator is strongly suspected by the minority community in the targeted torture and murder of a 14-year-old Christian boy.
    2012.08.21 Nigeria Borno 1 0 Islamists open fire on a rival cleric, killing him outside his mosque.
    2012.08.21 Nigeria Biu 1 0 Boko Haram gunmen assassinate a worshipper inside a mosque at close range.
    2012.08.21 Lebanon Tripoli 8 75 A clash between Sunnis and Shia leaves eight civilians dead.
    2012.08.21 Pakistan Quetta 1 12 Islamists are suspected in a bombing that leaves one dead.
    2012.08.20 Indonesia Cisalopa 4 0 Four people are murdered on accusation of heresy.
    2012.08.19 Pakistan Karachi 16 1 A bloody shooting at a cafe is one of several that leave sixteen dead at the hands of sectarian Jihadis
    2012.08.19 Pakistan Haripur 0 6 Six people are attacked by fundamentalists for watching television during Eid ul Fitr.
    2012.08.19 Ingushetia Malgobek 7 10 A Fedayeen suicide bomber enters a funeral and slaughters at least seven mourners.
    2012.08.19 Iraq Baghdad 4 1 Four persons are killed in a bombing targeting a Sunni cleric.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 3 8 Islamic bombers kill three people at a cemetery.
    2012.08.19 Bangladesh Sunamganj 0 30 Two groups of devout Muslims clash at a mosque over a disagreement over prayers.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Kabul 3 0 Authorities accuse the Taliban of beheading three people during Ramadan.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 1 A terrorist in police uniform shoots a soldier in the back.
    2012.08.19 Yemen Abyan 3 2 An al-Qaeda suicide bomber takes out three souls.
    2012.08.19 Afghanistan Farah 2 0 Two brothers are shot to death in their car by Taliban gunmen.
    2012.08.18 Yemen Aden 21 9 An al-Qaeda rocket attack and suicide bombing leaves over twenty people dead.
    2012.08.18 Afghanistan Grish 1 0 The Taliban assassinate a local official with a bomb.
    2012.08.18 Pakistan Michni 4 0 Four young men are brutally gunned down by radical Sunnis.
    2012.08.18 Dagestan Khasavyurt 0 8 Suspected Islamists enter a rival mosque and open fire.
    2012.08.18 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Muslim terrorists kill six family members in their homes.
    2012.08.18 Iraq Kirkuk 5 4 Five local security forces at a checkpoint are riddled with bullets by Mujahideen.
    2012.08.18 Afghanistan Herat 4 12 Fundamentalist bombers murder four people at a crowded market.
    2012.08.17 Pakistan Sadda 0 0 Militants bomb a market, killing at least one patron.
    2012.08.17 Pakistan Quetta 5 5 A Shahid suicide bomber takes out five Pakistanis.
    2012.08.17 Pakistan Karachi 2 18 A bus carrying Shiite students is hit by a bombing that leaves at least two dead.
    2012.08.17 Afghanistan Kinisk 2 0 Two Americans are shot in the back by a Taliban in police uniform.

    There is a reason we call it Islamic terrorism, and it isn’t
    because we falsely attribute motives to the terrorists, but
    because Islam is the stated purpose and aim of the terrorists.
    Daniel Greenfield

  263. “Much of our political debate is about making our laws comply with the majority’s sense of morality”

    Very good point.

    “Many say that the church is the laymen themselves,”

    My reaction to this is that the Church is covering its ass for centuries of Inquisition, torture and other persecutions of heretics, and excommunication. Then again, so much the better if they are coming around. Maybe someday they will start listening to Protestants instead of… well, you know, that’s why I “hate” the Catholic Church. Can’t get the bad taste out of my mouth.

    My Grandmother, an evangelical pastor, used to say the doors of the Catholic Church were the gates of hell, and when she went to France she refused to visit any cathedrals because of the statuary and stained glass windows depicting God, Jesus, whatever. By the way, this was one of the objections to the ‘Innocence of Muslims’ video – that it depicted Mohammed. The ban of ‘graven images’ is adhered to strictly in Muslim communities, as it is in Jewish and Protestant communities.

    Anyway, my comment was not meant to inveigh against any Catholic beliefs or practices, nor even to imply that the Church subjected its faithful to mind control, but rather to point to the fact that the Catholic Church exists, whereas the Islamic Church does not.

  264. Leonora, Obama himself could have dragged Amb Stevens out of that safehouse, done him in on video and the msm would still be cheerleading and covering for him.

    That is what all of us are up against.

    If Romney wins, i hope he dismantles and tries to clear out that “field” of journalists, first thing would be to oust and remove the obama cheerleaders from the WH press corps.

  265. and its begun, not many Obot MSM will report it… we’re literally watching American decline in front of our eyes.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/dollar-no-longer-primary-oil-currency-as-china-begins-to-sell-oil-using-yuan

    “On Sept. 11, Pastor Lindsey Williams, former minister to the global oil companies during the building of the Alaskan pipeline, announced the most significant event to affect the U.S. dollar since its inception as a currency. For the first time since the 1970’s, when Henry Kissenger forged a trade agreement with the Royal house of Saud to sell oil using only U.S. dollars, China announced its intention to bypass the dollar for global oil customers and began selling the commodity using their own currency.

    Lindsey Williams: “The most significant day in the history of the American dollar, since its inception, happened on Thursday, Sept. 6. On that day, something took place that is going to affect your life, your family, your dinner table more than you can possibly imagine.”

    Cont…….”

  266. Seriously and they still wanna vote for this lazy feckwit.

    NY Times: On Saturdays, Obama “pretends to go to work” in the Oval Office and watches “Homeland.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/321108/when-president-obama-pretends-go-work

    The New York Times has an article about Showtime’s thriller series, “Homeland”… and offers this little anecdote:

    And then there was that request from the White House screening room. Mr. Gordon’s reaction? “Completely surreal.”

    (When [actor Damien] Lewis sat next to the president at a state dinner last spring, he said Mr. Obama told him, “While Michelle and the two girls go play tennis on Saturday afternoons, I go in the Oval Office, pretend I’m going to work, and then I switch on ‘Homeland.’ ”)

    Ms. Danes said: “I think we were all stunned — and a little terrified by that idea. The president knows what we do?”

    Chiefly, Mr. Lewis said, it was validation that the show’s seemingly far-fetched premise — a Marine held captive by Islamic terrorists is converted into a willing anti-American operative, while the C.I.A. agent on his trail suffers from mental illness — had been rendered compellingly believable. “It was Obama saying this is not unrealistic,” Mr. Lewis said.

    Which is more disturbing?

    1) That Obama “pretends he’s going to work” on Saturdays and watches “Homeland”?

    2) That Obama finds Manchurian-Candidate-style POWs-turned-terrorists to be plausible?

    I hope the president wasn’t scheduled to review intelligence briefings about threats to our embassies and consulates some recent Saturday.

  267. Howard Dean: Of course I meant tensions with Israel are Netanyahu’s fault, not Obama’s

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/17/howard-dean-of-course-i-meant-tensions-with-israel-are-netanyahus-fault-not-obamas

    Dean: “My guess is the … relationship between Netanyahu and Obama is not all that good. And I think most of that has to do with Obama.”

    Howard Dean appears to tell @AlexWitt today that Obama is to blame for the tensions b/w WH and Netanyahu. Off message perhaps?

    …………………………

    Keep Digging Dems, we are all watching.

  268. BRAVO rickya! You’re doing a spectacular job in exhibiting the sheer foolishness of the resident islamamania obots. Keep up the good work.

    And I LOVE the bolding of your replies to their garbage. Makes the logical good sense arguments you espouse even more clear.

    Keep up the good work. We desperately need someone like you on the board – someone willing to fight the jello-heads.

  269. Basil,

    You can’t fight them, they are insane, you have to roll past them.
    **************

    rickya

    I agree with you however, most Muslims do not understand the koran. They may be able to recite it but most don’t understand. So it is possible for a Muslim not to be exposed to the evil teachings of their religion.

    ********

    Not understanding is not an excuse. “we have to pass it so we know what’s in it”

    I find it hard to believe that a Muslim would not be exposed to the evil in their “religion”, it is their “religion”

  270. “I find it hard to believe that a Muslim would not be exposed to the evil in their “religion”, it is their “religion””

    If it’s hard to believe, maybe it’s not true?

    How come you’ve been exposed to the evil in their religion without even being exposed to their religion?

  271. “…most Muslims do not understand the koran. They may be able to recite it but most don’t understand.”

    Can you recite it? Do you understand it? How do you know “most” don’t understand it if you haven’t communicated with them personally?

    If the Koran is like most holy books such as the Bible, it certainly contains some contradictions and these contradictions are hammered out generation after generation, imam by imam, as the world turns.

    I’m sure there are Muslims who would like to be enlightened by you concerning the evil aspects of their religion. So far, you haven’t indicated anything evil about it here.

  272. Leanora
    September 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    The Obama administration’s Department of Justice official Edward Perez, who is the assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Division, refuses to say that his department won’t attempt to criminalize blasphemy in the future.

    http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/why-we-need-first-amendment-part-ii
    *************

    These crazies MUST GO!

    One word describes Zero-bama and his bandit loons: “Dhimmitude”

    Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad

  273. Apologies if this is a re-post. Unfortunately, I can’t read every single comment, I work for myself (very, very busy), I Built it!

    Prominent Members of Chicago Black Community Confirm: those closest to Obama know there is no second term coming

    “Listen bud, there’s no second term nothing and they know as much,” a Think Squader told me between bites of his bodacious sandwich. “All this is for show. Axelrod has already moved on but no one knows what to do and they’re kind of just limping around without a plan hoping those Romney people mess up or the media drags them across the finish line. But ain’t nobody in that top tier who thinks he’s going to win. It’s just not happening because they can’t fool people a second time”.

    Read more http://hillbuzz.org/prominent-members-of-chicago-black-community-confirm-those-closest-to-obama-know-there-is-no-second-term-coming-42773

  274. “Prominent Members of Chicago Black Community Confirm: those closest to Obama know there is no second term coming”

    Very encouraging, this is what I’ve suspected for a long time. If I were a better, I’d place some money on a 55-45 win for Romney.

  275. THE NEW CREDIBILITY GAP ( Between Media Propaganda and Truth is now wider and deeper than the Grand Canyon. It reflects an unholy alliance between three parasitic entities–the left wing blogosphere, plus big media, plus the revolving door administration.) Today that is the governing coalition and the driving force behind the campaign. The results are failure for everyone but them. Oh, yes, there is one more parasitic entity—multi national business and the FED.)
    ——————————————————————

    Morning Jay: How the Media Misrepresents the Race
    6:00 AM, SEP 17, 2012 • BY JAY COST
    The gap between the way the media characterizes the presidential race and what is actually happening is growing larger by the day. In particular, we see a systematic emphasis on news items that favor the president and a discounting of evidence that disfavor him.

    The mainstream media’s recent coverage of the Democratic National Convention was fawning – little or no mention was made of the extremist abortion plank or the decisive defeat on the floor of the motion to reinstate a reference to God in the platform (nevertheless gaveled through by the party establishment) and an acknowledgment that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel (pro-Israel language that had been included in previous party platforms). So, the Democrats won their convention week with a bullet. Next, even though Obama’s bounce was modest by historical standards, and he still could not pull above 50 percent nationwide or in the key swing states, the mainstream media dutifully declared not only that Obama was winning, but that the Romney campaign was in utter disarray.

    And what did the media overlook last week?

    -Gas prices increased on average by $0.04, despite the end of the summer driving season. With Brent crude prices remaining elevated, gas prices are probably not going to come down any time soon.

    -The Consumer Price Index increased by 0.6 percent month-over-month. This is an extremely large jump, built mostly around increased energy prices.

    -Retail sales, excluding gas and cars, were flat.

    -Manufacturing production fell by more than 1 percent last month alone, and capacity utilization dropped by 1 point.

    -The jobs report from August was an absolute misery.

    -Overall, the economy is so anemic that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has initiated an unprecedented third round of quantitative easing, this one open-ended.

    Put simply: This economy is already weak and appears to be getting weaker.

    And what of President Obama’s political position? Already we see his convention bounce – such as it was – fading in the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls. Rasmussen is back to a tie between the two, and a three-point Obama lead among registered voters in Gallup suggests a tie among likely voters as well. Incidentally, this is exactly where the race was through all of August.

    Conservatives are growing frustrated with the Romney campaign, and for good reason. It needs to settle down and provide a clear message how Romney will be a successful president. It does not need to mail out a white paper to every swing voter in metro Columbus, but it does need to provide enough details to give them the impression that Romney has a plan.

    Amazingly, Team Romney seemed to have been caught flat-footed last week. We all could have predicted that the mainstream media would transform a middling bounce into a decisive edge for President Obama. And we can rest assured there will be more to come.

    Long gone are the days of straight journalists calling the balls and strikes fairly. And make no mistake: This is not merely a liberal bias we are dealing with, but a Democratic party bias. There is now a revolving door between the leftwing blogosphere, the broader Democratic establishment, and the mainstream media – and the phony narrative of a runaway Obama lead is just one result of that insidious alliance.

    The good news is that this race will be decided on the fundamentals. Also, the GOP has enough money to communicate directly with the electorate, independent of the spin from the former Obama campaign consultants, and liberal reporters who dominate the mainstream media. Team Romney needs to settle on a plan of attack and take the battle directly to the president on the issues that voters care about – the economy, gas prices, the deficit, and Obamacare.

    Jay Cost is a staff writer for THE WEEKLY STANDARD and the author of Spoiled Rotten: How the Politics of Patronage Corrupted the Once Noble Democratic Party and Now Threatens the American Republic, available now wherever books are sold.

  276. tdo: “Many say that the church is the laymen themselves”

    jes: My reaction to this is that the Church is covering its ass for centuries of Inquisition [….]

    No, it’s the Catholic laymen who are saying this. They’re saying that the anti-contraception Bishops are out of the loop, and that what the majority of Cath laymen belive and do IS what counts.

    jes: ” the Catholic Church exists, whereas the Islamic Church does not.”

    By that standard, there is no Protestant Church either, as the Protestants are less organized than the Catholics. Which may be true. But Rickya and I were talking about religions, not churches.

  277. rickya: “At the risk of sounding condescending, I ‘ve been where you are. I was like you before I started my study of Islam. ”

    jes: “I have a premonition that you have a lot of factoids that you want to throw at me”

    [[ There seems to be a cottage industry for that. Maybe the same one that produces the stuff about ‘republic’ vs ‘democracy’. ]]

  278. wbboei-

    My sincere apologies. I suspected sarcasm, and as we seemingly share the same view of the Romney campaign,
    “Defeat from the Jaws of Victory” tour 2102…it was my “bad”…

  279. “there is no Protestant Church either”

    That is largely true. There are as many protestant sects as there are days in the year. Of course, each of them will have an ideology of sorts, but its pretty nebulous and comes close to resembling Islam.

    Buddhists and Hindus have congregations with “ideologies” too, but nobody has the bi-millennial organization of the Catholic Church. If Catholic laymen are revolting now, so much the better; but the Church is going to be here for a long long time to come. It will be a long time before the Pope admits he doesn’t have a private phone line to the One True God.

  280. Obama’s black turnout nightmare may be coming true

    by Thomas Lifson

    When Barack Obama suddenly changed his position on gay marriage, many people (including me) predicted that this could have a dampening effect on black turnout, because many black churches take their Scripture quite seriously. It might be too much to expect black pastors to urge their flocks to vote for a Republican (and Mormon) candidate, but staying home and not voting might well be an option to protest the discarding of a bedrock tenet of faith.

    The Associated Press is now reporting that this scenario may indeed be developing:

    Some black clergy see no good presidential choice between a Mormon candidate and one who supports gay marriage, so they are telling their flocks to stay home on Election Day. That’s a worrisome message for the nation’s first African-American president, who can’t afford to lose any voters from his base in a tight race.

    The pastors say their congregants are asking how a true Christian could back same-sex marriage, as President Barack Obama did in May. As for Republican Mitt Romney, the first Mormon nominee from a major party, congregants are questioning the theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its former ban on men of African descent in the priesthood.

    Keep in mind that a voter who stays home in disgust as a protest is not going to be voting for down ticket candidates, either. Staying at home is an easy option – the default option, in fact. No doubt, there will intense pressure — pestering, really — from the Obama campaign turnout machine, which is reportedly collecting data on a house by house basis, and mobilizing activists to get people to the polls. But such pressure can easily be turned into harassment, and the result might be protest votes from those who are dragged to the polls.

    The black turnout this year is going to be one of the most interesting questions of the election.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/obamas_black_turnout_nightmare_may_be_coming_true.html

  281. rickya

    As you see, we don’t feed the trolls here. They are like the “Muslim” terrorists”, the more you educate them, the more violent they become. Do yourself a favor and “troll by”

  282. AP Sources: Obama launches new China trade action Sept 17 2012 3:20 AM

    WASHINGTON ­ President Barack Obama is launching a new trade enforcement case against China, as he seeks an advantage over Republican rival Mitt Romney on an economic issue that has become a flashpoint in the presidential campaign.
    Senior administration officials say Obama will announce the new action, targeting Chinese subsidies for automobiles and automobile parts, Monday during a campaign trip to Ohio. The swing state has a large manufacturing base where many blame China for depressing its industry.
    Romney accuses Obama of being weak on China and ceding American jobs to the rising Asian power. The president says Romney has investments in Chinese companies and outsourced jobs to China while running the private equity firm Bain Capital.

    The officials requested anonymity in order to discuss the trade action ahead of the president.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57513910/ap-sources-obama-launches-new-china-trade-action/

  283. I do think Jones is more evil that the sincere* protestors whose ‘violence’ mostly consists of yelling, graffiti, flag burning, attempting to climb walls or enter a building — and getting themsleves shot by police.

    Imo it’s worse to incite a riot than to attend a riot. Jones deliberately incited riots all over the world.

    *As for the the organized Baghezi assassins — I was thinking they were as bad as Jones or worse, but on second thought, they presumably had some real practical goal in mind, they weren’t causing killing just to prove a point, as Jones was.

  284. “I have a premonition that you have a lot of factoids that you want to throw at me”

    Here are two factoids resembling that of Mohammed’s pedophilia that someone could throw at me about my own religion (Quaker):

    (i) At the outset, the richest and most powerful Quakers were slave traders, and some owned slaves. Real bad.

    (ii) Dick Nixon was a Quaker. Even worse.

    (iii) Some Quakers voted for Obama. Egad!

    (iv) Quakers are supposed to be abstemious and moderate in all things. Not free to get drunk!!

    (v) Brotherly love is the fundamental tenet of the Society of Friends. The Brotherhood is the Mafia!!

    (vi) Quaker meetings are held behind closed doors and no one speaks of these meetings outside, nor does anyone identify anyone else as a Quaker. Secret identities! It is indeed the Mafia!

    Knowing these things would not stop me from proselytizing for Quakerism, because the Quakers are made up of individuals who together constitute the “religion” as it is. No one is going to be able to tell me that my “religion” requires me to trade in or hold slaves, or tolerates slavery, or to vote for Nixon or Obama.

  285. WASHINGTON – The number of Islamic places of worship in the United States soared 74% in the past decade.

    While protests against new mosques in New York, Tennessee and California made headlines, the overall number of mosques quietly rose from 1,209 in 2000 to 2,106 in 2010.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/r

  286. foxyladi14
    September 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
    new Romney ad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPV1yd7sQg

    foxyladi14
    September 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    sorry here it is.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQAZYZrjVU
    ——————
    Thanks for both ads. The Hillary ad was terrific and right on. Too bad so many women did not listen. Instead they got fooled into thinking THE ONE would do something for them, which he has not.

    Romney’s ad was straight forward and direct. He has more Presidental performance in his little finger than O has in his entire body.

  287. “These are the times that try men’s souls.” So wrote Thomas Paine in the midst of the darkest days of the American Revolution, when the fate of what would become the grandest experiment in human liberty hung in the balance. In recent weeks, those words have found renewed relevance as it becomes clear to this generation that the fate of our nation hangs in the balance again.

    This much is now clear: on every count, domestic and foreign, the presidency of Barack Obama has failed.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/a_failed_presidency_of_global_proportions.html#ixzz26j67Nwou

  288. BASIL99: “…someone willing to fight the jello-heads.”

    Uh, uh, are you calling me a jello head? Uh, gee, dunno, but I don’t think that’s a nice thing to say. Personal attack, maybe?

  289. gonzotx: “They are like the “Muslim” terrorists”, the more you educate them, the more violent they become. Do yourself a favor and “troll by””

    Do you mind if I read your posts rather than scroll by?

    If not, I read the above and couldn’t help thinking that “they” and “them” includes me; so I’d just like to ask your pardon for the increasing violence of my posts, and for accepting whatever education you have offered me. I promise not to educate myself in the future and to accept the restrictions you place on my irresponsible speech.

  290. Here’s Romney’s followup to a link I left early this morning:

    Romney blasts Obama for ‘campaign-season trade cases’ – The Hill’s On The Money
    “…President Obama has spent 43 months failing to confront China’s unfair trade practices,” Romney said in a statement on Monday. “Campaign-season trade cases may sound good on the stump, but it is too little, too late for American businesses and middle-class families….”
    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/1005-trade/249811-romney-blasts-obama-for-campaign-season-trade-cases

  291. TheRealist
    September 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
    wbboei-

    My sincere apologies. I suspected sarcasm, and as we seemingly share the same view of the Romney campaign.
    ———————————-
    Unfortunately. He is running as a Massachusetts Republican–that is all he knows. The bet is that that will sell. Unfortunately, what he is doing is blurring the distinction between himself and Obama, which leaves only likability–and he loses on that one. Furthermore, if that is all there is then he was a fool not to turn the vicious character attacks which were launched against him around in the summer. They took faith in the fact that after spending all the money the dims did over the summer, the race is virtually a tie. Had he spent the money and hit Obama very hard in the summmer and picked Rubio, I personally believe he would be far ahead of where he is now, and a landslide would be imminent, and there was nothing big media could have done without being called racists.

    Fate however has intervened. No matter how big media tries to spin it, this happened on his watch, and it demonstates in blood the failure of his policy. Without a graphic incident like this, the far left would be boiling the frog, walking us into their Orwellian world so gradually, and inconspicuously with the able assistance of big media who hates America almost as much as Obama and his erstwhile spiritual advisor do. There is great hunger in this country for political change but the tepid approach we see from Romney equates to more of the status quo in the eyes of many people–or a day of reckoning which they do not wish to face. He MUST do what Kimberly Strassel and David Limbaugh have said (infra), and present the big ideas which would define his presidency–the problem, the solution, how it would work and why it is fair. And he has got to stop saying Obama is a nice man–he is a smiling thug. And he must be leery of big media.

  292. Hillary has abusy schedule taking the negative fallout from the latest BO show of not fit for the job and lack of interest in the Public Schedule for September 17, 2012

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    September 17, 2012

    U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
    PUBLIC SCHEDULE
    Monday, September 17, 2012

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    Secretary Clinton holds meetings at the Department of State.dangerous events that are ocurring in the muslim world.

  293. If I were advising Romney the mantra would be solutions, not rhetoric. In the second paragraph of my last post, I was referring to the meltdown in the Middle East. It is the failing report card on Obama’s foreign policy, and it confirms the axiom that appeasement does not work and nature abhors a vacuum. It is like that line from Dover Beach except the subject matter is not the Sea of Faith, but the tide of American Global Power which Messiah Obama has done so much to destroy:

    The sea is calm tonight,
    The tide is full, the moon lies fair
    Upon the straits; on the French coast the light
    Gleams and is gone; the cliffs of England stand,
    Glimmering and vast, out in the tranquil bay.
    Come to the window, sweet is the night air!
    Only, from the long line of spray
    Where the sea meets the moon-blanched land,
    Listen! you hear the grating roar
    Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
    At their return, up the high strand,
    Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
    With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
    The eternal note of sadness in.

    Sophocles long ago
    Heard it on the Agean, and it brought
    Into his mind the turbid ebb and flow
    Of human misery; we
    Find also in the sound a thought,
    Hearing it by this distant northern sea.

    The Sea of Faith
    Was once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
    Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furled.
    But now I only hear
    Its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
    Retreating, to the breath
    Of the night wind, down the vast edges drear
    And naked shingles of the world.

    Ah, love, let us be true
    To one another! for the world, which seems
    To lie before us like a land of dreams,
    So various, so beautiful, so new,
    Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
    Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
    And we are here as on a darkling plain
    Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
    Where ignorant armies clash by night.

    Matthew Arnold (1867)

  294. In the Middle East, Obama’s chickens are coming home to roost
    By Michael Goodwin

    Published September 17, 2012

    New York Post

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/17/in-middle-east-obama-chickens-are-coming-home-to-roost/#ixzz26k8GHcI4

    According to President Obama’s narrative, the murder of four Americans in Libya is a story of “senseless violence” provoked by an anti-Islam video. According to his Praetorian Guards in the media, the story is how Mitt Romney rudely criticized Obama’s foreign policy.

    Here’s the real story: The murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others is the most important terrorist attack on American civilians since 9/11. And it happened on the 11th anniversary of that day of infamy, on Obama’s watch.

    There were no Marines on guard, and there are reports that the Benghazi embassy had been warned of an Al Qaeda assault, yet there were no precautions. It is likely the organized attackers, some carrying rocket-propelled grenades, had inside information about a “safe house,” where they killed two of the Americans.

    Obama, after offering condolences and vowing to find those responsible, flew off to a campaign event in Vegas.

    If that were all, it would be reason enough to doubt his competency and character. But it’s not all.

    The crisis, including riots at our embassies in 20 countries, is the full flowering of a policy predicated on appeasement and apology. To borrow a phrase, the Obama chickens are coming home to roost.

    The essence of his doomed approach is revealed in Obama’s refusal to meet with the prime minister of Israel while finding time to meet with the Muslim Brotherhood president of Egypt. The choice raises a fundamental question: Whose side are you on, Mr. President?

    To ask is to concede despair. Starting with his Cairo speech in 2009, Obama promised a “new beginning” in our relations with Muslims. Had the comment been a marketing tool for a new administration, it would have been understandable. But the speech was far from benign. It foretold the ruinous path he would follow.

    In Cairo, Obama insisted that, after 9/11, America “acted contrary to our ideals,” by using torture — a libel against his own country and the warriors who defend it. Under the Obama “ideals,” we follow a “kill or release” protocol, blasting terrorist leaders with drones while freeing all others without interrogation. So death is now more humane than waterboarding.

    He suggested in Cairo that Americans harbor bigotry against Muslims, saying, “We cannot disguise hostility towards any religion behind the pretense of liberalism.” That, too, was a slander, and the policy corollary is that he says nothing about the slaughter of Christians in Arab lands.

    He misstated Mideast history to draw a moral equivalency between Israelis and Palestinians. His portrayal of a “humanitarian crisis” in Gaza was spun of whole cloth, as was his claim that Israeli settlement activity “violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace.” As a result, there have been no direct negotiations during his term.

    On Iran, he talked as if the mad mullahs and the US are equally responsible for the 30-year rupture, even though Iran was at that moment helping to kill our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said, “No single nation should pick and choose which nations hold nuclear weapons,” a tip-off to his feckless policy.

    The central idea of that speech is that America and Israel are largely to blame for radical Islam. The same instinct drips from the statement issued by Obama’s Cairo representative last Tuesday.

    Utterly craven, the statement “condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions . . . we firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”

    Deciphering the childish gibberish leads to the conclusion that free speech is OK only until Muslim feelings are hurt. Then we surrender our values to the mob.

    In its cockeyed defense, the White House offered conflicting claims: one, that the statement came before the riots began; two, that we should, Obama said, “cut folks a little bit of slack” when they fear for their lives.

    Let’s see — there was no riot, but they feared for their lives?

    In fact, the embassy reaffirmed the apology twice while the riots raged.

    After the statement was online for nearly 10 hours, Mitt Romney called it disgraceful and the White House quickly disavowed it. Until then, the apology for free speech was the sole response from the White House to the day’s events.

    And why not? It is perfectly consistent with the last four years.

    To continue reading Mr. Goodwin’s column on additional topics including the mainstream media and the GOP, click here.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_apologist_ASAIAyRhJdld3mPcCVBElL#ixzz26jDZrzWJ

    Michael Goodwin is a Fox News contributor and New York Post columnist.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/17/in-middle-east-obama-chickens-are-coming-home-to-roost/#ixzz26k7q5agg

  295. Hey gang, I recently read here on Big Pink quite a few “Well, with these embassy attacks, it looks like Hillary’s done for…”.

    Agreed, Obama will try everything in his power to deflect blame.

    But let’s think about it for a second. Obummer was the one missing all those security briefings. And he’s the one who seldom gets “burdened down” by getting too informed.

    Hillary is the complete opposite. Extremely knowledgeable, extremely well-prepared. Can I say for certain that she’s got her CYA plan in place??? No, but I wouldn’t be betting money against her.

    Also, for the next subset of those seeking to lay ALL (or most) of the blame for these embassy attacks at the feet of the State Dept. (translation: Hillary), the Drudge Report and other conservative bloggers. Look, they’ve had a long history of Clinton (Bill and Hill) hate. And with her working within the Oturd administration (albeit quite independently, and often BEING CUT OUT OF THE LOOP, by like Jarrett, Powers, etc.), it’s convenient to saddle her with all Oturd’s sins.

    But think about their motives. What one person do they fear most in 2016? Anyone? Anyone? Beuhler?

    Yeah, her.

    So I think viewing this in the prism of time (days and weeks) will show a clearer picture.

  296. 1. who is closest to the scene and able to observe unfolding events? the Libyan president or the deep fried Rice?

    2. who has an election coming up and needs a scapegoat? the Libyan president or Messiah Obama?

    3. who has a proven track record of lies and distortions? the Libyan president or Barack Hussein Obama?

    This is not even a close question. If it gives anyone pause they should re-read the article posted by Michael Goodwin, posted above.
    —————————————

    Obama administration, Libyan president clash over explanation on consulate strike
    Published September 17, 2012

    FoxNews.com

    Was deadly attack in Libya ‘spontaneous’ or planned?

    Did US policy or anti-Muslim film spark Mideast…
    The Obama administration is doubling down on its theory that the attack a week ago on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a “spontaneous” act, despite the Libyan president calling that idea “preposterous.”

    The sharply divergent views on what led to the deadly strike in eastern Libya played out across the airwaves Sunday and are sure to generate more questions this week. In two interviews over the weekend, Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif joined other members of his government in declaring the attack a planned assault, possibly by an Al Qaeda-tied group.

    “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous,” Megarif told NPR.

    But U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, in a string of interviews, stood by the administration’s position that the Libya attack was just part of the wave of protests over the anti-Islam video circulating on the Internet.

    “What sparked the violence was a very hateful video on the Internet,” Rice said on “Fox News Sunday.” “It was a reaction to a video that had nothing to do with the United States.”

    She also repeated the administration’s message that the attacks, which started Tuesday in Egypt and spread to more the 20 U.S. posts in the region, were “spontaneous,” not planned or timed for the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.

    “The best information and the best assessment we have today is that this was not a pre-planned, pre-meditated attack,” Rice also told Fox News. “What happened initially was that it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video. People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent. And those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons, which unfortunately are quite common in post-revolutionary Libya, and that then spun out of control.”

    It was a message that Rice would recite nearly verbatim on the other network shows.

    She said the FBI is investigating the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, and that more attacks are possible.

    Her comments were in sharp contrast to those Sunday of Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif, who in separate interviews with NPR Radio and CBS’ “Face the Nation” dismissed the notion that the attacks, at least in his country, were spontaneous.

    Megarif, president of the Libyan National Congress, also said the violence, including the timing, bears the markings of an Al Qaeda attack.

    He said the attacks were carried out by foreigners who have been infiltrating his country since the uprising ended the dictatorship of the late Muammar al-Qaddafi and that they used the Cairo protests as a cover to attack the U.S. Consulate.

    In addition, Arizona Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Committee on Armed Services, and Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers, House Intelligence Committee chairman, said Sunday the administration’s foreign policy of “disengagement” in the Middle East created the vacuum for the attacks.

    “The Middle East believes there is a disengagement policy with the U.S.,” Rogers said on “Fox News Sunday.”

    The campaign for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney responded in part to Rice’s efforts within hours.

    “Today, the Obama administration found itself facing serious questions about its record of leadership in the world, America’s waning influence abroad, and the failure of its outreach efforts in the Middle East and North Africa,” campaign spokesman Ryan Williams said.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/17/obama-administration-libyan-president-clash-over-explanation-on-consulate/?intcmp=trending#ixzz26k9LjtLW

  297. THIRTEEN CENTURIES!

    There is nothing new here. In one way or another, Islam, with its many flavors and incarnations, has been at war with the West for thirteen centuries. Roughly, since about the year 800 A.D., when Islam began its conquests of the Arabian peninsula, Persia, the Indian subcontinent, and North Africa.

    http://babalublog.com/2012/09/thirteen-centuries/

  298. RidUsOfZero
    September 17th, 2012 at 10:25 am
    Obama’s black turnout nightmare may be coming true
    ————————-
    Chicago Oriole

  299. Jeeze Louise, is there never going to be an end to this worthless Muslin pros/cons discussion?

    Isn’t there another blog to have that discussion on so it doesn’t take up 90% of the conversation on this thread and make the rest of us get carpel tunnel scrolling by?

    No conclusions are being made, no minds are being changed, just a lot of hot air stinking up the thread.

  300. Shadowfax
    September 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
    &&&&

    Agreed, especially when it comes to personal back-and-forths.

    As for the topic, it unfortunately is completely intertwined with the Mid-East developments since 2012sep11.

    As for getting this web-site uncluttered, I’m afraid like “democracy”, web forums are “messy”.

  301. gonzotx
    September 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    troll by, troll by, they are ravaged

    Yes, you are absolutely right, gonzotx.

    Shadowfax
    September 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Jeeze Louise, is there never going to be an end to this worthless Muslin pros/cons discussion?

    You too, shadowfax. These are just obots. trying to sow discord and reap division. It is perfectly clear to everyone here. Rickya makes great points but her valiant efforts are wasted on those two. Better to scroll by.

  302. Yes, indeed, Shadowfax. “…no minds are being changed, just a lot of hot air stinking up the thread.”

    Administrator, we are anxious to have a new article from you and get your wise input.

  303. LAMESTREAM MEDIA TOADIES DO THE NATION NO SERVICE

    Another take on exposing State Mouthpiece media.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/16/curl-obamas-protective-press-cordon/

    CURL: Obama’s protective press cordon
    ===============================

    By Joseph Curl
    Sunday, September 16, 2012

    A full day after the U.S. ambassador to Libya was brutally killed by a Muslim mob, another mob attacked Mitt Romney. While armed only with pens and notebooks, the cabal meant to inflict the same outcome on the Republican’s presidential campaign.

    Protecting and defending President Obama through his failures and blunders and gaffes is a full-time job for America’s mainstream press corps — and they’re getting worried. So, they attacked the GOP nominee for his reaction to the U.S. Embassy in Egypt’s statement condemning “the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.”

    Was that “appropriate”? “Mixed signal”? “Jumped the gun”? Seven of eight questions were on his statement. It was an another embarrassing day for the national media, and the slap-down was short-lived; within 48 hours, the Middle East and North Africa were in full-blown crisis, and details began to pour out about all the administration had done wrong leading up to the first killing of a U.S. ambassador since the one term of Jimmy Carter.

    The U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya, it turned out, was barely guarded; the mob easily breached security and swarmed in. Worse, a U.K. newspaper reported, “the U.S. State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and ‘lockdown.’”

    In the days following the killing, the White House scrambled to pin blame on something or someone — anything but them. White House spokesman Jay Carney said the violence in Egypt and Libya was “in response to a video, a film we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting,” referring to a YouTube video, “The Innocence of Muslims.”

    Of course, the claim was preposterous. That Muslims would suddenly swarm U.S. embassies over a short film posted in July is absurd. Most likely to blame: the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, a top al Qaeda leader from Libya. In fact, the Washington Guardian reported Saturday that less than 24 hours before the Libya attack, “U.S. intelligence learned of a new 42-minute video in which al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri implored Libyans to rise up against Americans” and avenge the death of another al Qaeda member.

    Within days, protests at U.S. embassies had spread to Britain, Jerusalem, Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, Sudan, Nigeria, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, India, Germany — even Australia. This wasn’t over some YouTube film.

    Mr. Obama had claimed much credit for the so-called “sweep of democracy” during the Arab Spring, when mobs rose up to overthrow governments in North Africa, along with a new respect for America. In February, he said, “One of the proudest things of my three years in office is helping to restore a sense of respect for America around the world, a belief that we are not just defined by the size of our military.”

    Now, in a puff of smoke, all that is gone. Egypt, taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood, is violently targeting America. (When the president, in another foreign-policy blunder, said Egypt was neither ally nor enemy, none other than Mr. Carter corrected him, saying, “Egypt is a friend.”) Libya — of which, after the killing of Moammar Gaddafi by rebels, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton proudly boasted with a laugh “we came, we saw, he died” — appears lost to U.S.-hating extremists. And Muslims across the world are burning effigies of Mr. Obama — the Nobel Peace Prize winner with the “secret kill lists.”

    Missing in all the Q&A from America’s top reporters was this simple fact: An American ambassador was killed — on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

    By week’s end, no doubt at the order of the White House, the State Department clammed up completely. “We have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans. We are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this happened — not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador [J. Christopher] Stevens, not any of it — until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation … ,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. So stop asking.

    Mr. Obama can make no claim of helping the U.S. economy during his four years in office: In fact, things are worse than they were. And now, the Arab Spring is turning into the Arab Winter — despite his pledge that “the day I’m inaugurated, not only does the country look at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently.”

    Boy, he wasn’t kidding about that one.

  304. I KNEW THE TEA PARTY, AND YOU SIR (OCCUPY WALL ST.), ARE NO TEA PARTY.

    NY Times’ Nocera shows how the Obummer outsourced scheme to bamboozle and distract with OWS has shown how little real impact they had, as compared to the Tea Party. First part talks about the Lehman meltdown in 2008, second part about OWS.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/opinion/nocera-two-days-in-september.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    Two Days in September
    By JOE NOCERA
    Published: September 14, 2012

    Anniversary No. 1: Exactly four years ago, Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy protection. In the days and weeks that followed, we saw the unfolding of the dramatic — and ultimately successful — effort by the federal government to rescue the banking system. But, once the dust settled, we began to see something else: like the stock market crash of 1929, Lehman wasn’t an isolated event. Rather, it was a signal that deep problems had enveloped our economy — problems that wouldn’t be solved quickly or easily. That is why the Lehman bankruptcy still resonates. It was the moment everything changed.

    Prior to Lehman, it was easy to believe that housing prices could only go up and that we could always rely on debt to maintain our standard of living. We shrugged as manufacturing jobs disappeared — 5.8 million just since 2000 — and good middle-class jobs became harder to find. We didn’t talk much about income inequality. Nor did we care much that Wall Street had developed a mercenary trading culture, which had little to do with providing capital for companies, ostensibly its reason for being.

    Post-Lehman, economic reality set in. First came the Great Recession, followed by a recovery so weak that unemployment remains at around 8 percent. The huge debt overhang is a yoke holding back economic growth. Millions of homes have been foreclosed on. The Federal Reserve has continually opened its monetary spigots to boost the economy — as it did again this week — but the problems are simply too big to be fixed by monetary policy alone. That’s the world we live in now.

    Inevitably, this sense of never-ending economic struggle has led to a great deal of anger. On the right, that anger found its voice in the Tea Party. Its core belief is that government is the enemy, and that a more hardhearted approach — slashing government spending and forcing people to fend for themselves — is the best way to get back on track. However misguided, its conviction cannot be doubted.

    On the left, that anger led, a year ago, to the rise of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Thus, Anniversary No. 2: Sept. 17, 2011, was the date Occupy Wall Street took over Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan, which soon led to similar actions in cities across the country. The movement’s primary issue was income inequality — “We are the 99 percent,” they used to chant. Reporters swarmed into the park, interviewing Occupy protesters and speculating on whether Occupy had the potential to be a lasting force. “Can Occupy Wall Street Become the Liberal Tea Party?” asked The American Prospect magazine.

    A year later, we know the answer: It can’t, and it isn’t. For all intents and purposes, the Occupy movement is dead, even as the Tea Party lives on. But why?

    One reason, it seems to me, is that the Occupy protesters were purposely — even proudly — rudderless, eschewing leadership in favor of broad, and thus vague, consensus. It’s hard to get anything done without leaders. A second is that while they had plenty of grievances, aimed mainly at the “oppressive” power of corporations, the Occupy protesters never got beyond their own slogans.

    But the main reason is that, ultimately, Occupy Wall Street simply would not engage with the larger world. Believing that both politicians and corporations were corrupt, it declined to dirty its hands by talking to anyone in power. The takeover of the park — especially as the police threatened to force the protesters out — became an end in itself rather than the means to something larger. Occupy was an insular movement, whose members spoke mainly to each other.

    The Tea Party did just the opposite. It, too, believed that politicians were venal, but rather than turning away from politics, its adherents worked to elect politicians who believed in the same things they did. Yes, the Tea Party had wealthy benefactors, but their money would not have succeeded without enormous grass-roots support. Two years ago, 87 new Tea Party-elected candidates showed up in Washington. Much as you or I may not like it, they have largely succeeded throwing sand in the wheels of government. That was their goal.

    Timothy Noah, the author of “The Great Divergence,” a fine book about income inequality, says that Occupy Wall Street did succeed in “massively raising the issue’s profile,” as he put it to me in an e-mail. There is more discussion now about income inequality, he added, than during the entire quarter-century the income gap was widening.

    That is nothing to sneeze at, I suppose, but raising the issue is the easy part. The hard part is doing something about it. Without political engagement by those who want to reverse income inequality, it will continue to widen.

    Occupy Wall Street gave us a memorable slogan — “the 99 percent.” But you know what they say. Talk is cheap.

  305. Shadowfax: “Jeeze Louise, is there never going to be an end to this worthless Muslin pros/cons discussion?… no minds are being changed, just a lot of hot air stinking up the thread.”

    Exactly, I hope it does come to an end. We haven’t been on this subject for months, and here it is back again.

  306. jeswezey

    Exactly, I hope it does come to an end.

    ——-
    If you want it to end, just don’t participate in the discussion.
    It’s simple.

  307. Shadowfax: “If you want it to end, just don’t participate in the discussion.”

    I did try to curtail it with my last post to rickya: “You seem determined to draw me into a debate about Islam…” and so forth. We were talking about irresponsible speech and the guilt of inciting to riot relative to the guilt of participating in a riot, things like that, and then rickya hits us with Islam is an evil religion and starts to compare his credentials to mine for saying so. Then BASIL99 and gonzotx join in cheerleading on the sidelines.

    I will certainly take your advice heretofore. Too much has already been said on the subject.

  308. Libya sacks Benghazi security chiefs after U.S. attacks

    Libya has sacked its security chiefs for Benghazi after a deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in the eastern city last week, Interior Minister Fawzi Abdel A’al told Reuters.

    Colonel Salahadeen Doghman will replace the deputy interior minister for the east, Wanis Sharif, as well as the head of national security for Benghazi, Hassan Bou Hmida.

    “The decision to replace Mr. Sharif and the security chief was made last week,” Abdel A’al said.

    “We will do what we think is right if there is a weakness within the security leadership that has affected the security work in the city.”

    The U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans died when gunmen attacked the consulate and a “safe house” in the eastern city last Tuesday night.

    The attackers were part of a crowd that blamed the United States for a video posted online that mocks the Prophet Mohammad.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/17/us-libya-attack-sacking-idUSBRE88G10R20120917

    …………………………

    That last line is the fantasy spun by the Obamabot media Reuters.

  309. doubled down on stupid…….

    Fighter jets in Democratic convention’s military montage were Turkish, not American

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/fighter-jets-in-democratic-conventions-military-montage-were-turkish-not-american/#ixzz26kkldBEE

    The Democratic Party’s national convention in Charlotte, N.C. may have doubled down on insulting the U.S. military community.

    The Democratic National Committee has already apologized for using a photo of four Soviet-era Russian warships in a giant stage backdrop intended to illustrate the party’s support for military personnel and veterans.

    That huge image, visible in the Time Warner Cable Arena during speeches by Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and retired Admiral John B. Nathman, also depicted a synchronized formation of jet aircraft that convention-goers assumed were American fighter planes.

    But the F-5 fighter planes in the photo are part of the air force of Turkey, a nation whose government is now jailing journalists and establishing Islam as a state religion.

    Brad Woodhouse, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, did not respond when the The Daily Caller asked why the convention planners displayed Turkish-flown aircraft alongside Russian warships while seeking support from the American military community.

    On Sept. 12, Democrats apologized for using the picture of Soviet-era, Russian-operated ships after the slip up was first reported by the Navy Times. The Navy Times also received a tip that the planes depicted may have been from the Turkish Air Force.

    The vessels, with their distinct radars and blue-cross-motif Russian naval flags, occupied the center of the massive backdrop. The aircraft were depicted flying in a seven-plane formation on the upper right.

    ……………………….

    and this lot run a Govt…….

  310. “There is nothing new here. In one way or another, Islam, with its many flavors and incarnations, has been at war with the West for thirteen centuries. Roughly, since about the year 800 A.D.”
    ********
    Funny, I was thinking the same thing last night; 1300 years of warfare between Islam and the “West”. It’s been 1280 years since Charles Martel stopped the Islamic invasion of Western Europe at Poitiers/Tours France. Current events are just another skirmish in the longest war.

    That said, and to use a rather tired cliche, the Existential Threat to the survival of this Country is still economic. Much worse economic hardship is likely in our near future and our old cold war foes are digging the sand from under our feet. The days of floating more “paper” and worry about it tomorrow are rapidly coming to an end. With continued downgrading of the US bond rating and likely loss of “reserve currency” status in the future, today’s economic situation will look like the good old days.

    The current Islamic “threat” is real but compared to the “big picture” is a distraction, IMHO.

  311. The Quote of the Decade:

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ‘s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, “the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
    ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

    Pass it on ’til eternity…

    (it was so nice of him to give us this great quote for posterity!) SO, USE IT!!!
    Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%.
    Please send it on if only to one person.

  312. “The current Islamic “threat” is real but compared to the “big picture” is a distraction, IMHO.”

    IMO as well.

  313. Leanora: Sure is a good quote, one of many that can be thrown in O’s face.

    With Obama, it’s never been “The buck stops here” but “The bucks stop here”!

  314. jeswezey

    I will certainly take your advice heretofore. Too much has already been said on the subject.

    ——-
    Thank God, let’s just move on…

  315. jbstonesfan

    Romney up in poll.

    ——–
    The polls will change from day to day, but I appreciate a taste of good news for a change.
    Thanks.

  316. Americans told to leave Sudan and Tunisia. But not to worry. It’s not the real Muslims who are protesting against Americans. As Susan Rice said, it’s just a handful of troublemakers who saw some ridiculous movie trailer about Mr. M and decided it was insulting. And the American government seems to agree, even to the point of considering an Egyptian decree to target any anti-Mr. M speech as blasphemy. They haven’t yet, apparently, decided on the punishment for the crime. Should it call for cutting off an ear, the lips or maybe even the head which contains the brain and is the origin for all thought-crime?

    Oh, and the Islamic protesters in the other 50 countries, including Australia are also just upset about that movie – you know – the movie no one has seen. They’re not protesting against America and not, for goodness sake, against President POS.

    I bet there are at least two people on this blog who believe that fairy tale.

  317. “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. [….]
    ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

    Pass it on ’til eternity…
    [….]
    Only 86% will send this on.

    =========================

    LOL! Any evidence that Obama really said this? He’s a DINO but I think he was a ‘closet’ Republican in 2006, and that sounds like it was lifted from an ‘out’ Republican.

    In any case, most debt existing in March 2006 would have been incurred by Bush and the GOP, since the House only went Democratic in 2006.

    “Only 86% will send this on.”

    And how was THAT figure obtained? Sounds like someone recycled a ‘bad luck’ chain letter.

  318. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, OCCUPY WALL STREET, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.

    Or not!

    Sept. 17th, exactly one year after the first Canadian-inspired slackers started showing up near my office, with their message as diffuse a salmon semen during spawning season, it is time for us to look back fondly on the good times:

    * all night bongos
    * “What’s that smell?”
    * people with more ink on their skin than un-inked skin
    * Triumph the Insult Comic Dog asking Pointed Questions!
    * “Hey it’s winter, and it’s freaking cold. Time to move back into mom’s basement.”

  319. The Democratic Party’s national convention in Charlotte, N.C. may have doubled down on insulting the U.S. military community.

    The Democratic National Committee has already apologized for using a photo of four Soviet-era Russian warships in a giant stage backdrop intended to illustrate the party’s support for military personnel and veterans.

    =======================

    They shouldn’t have apologized! Free speech! Who cares is someone got insulted!

  320. Iran atomic chief says ‘explosives’ cut power at facility

    Iran’s nuclear chief said Monday that “terrorists and saboteurs” might have infiltrated the International Atomic Energy Agency in an effort to derail his nation’s atomic program, in an unprecedentedly harsh attack on the integrity of the U.N. organization and its probe of allegations that Tehran is striving to make nuclear arms.

    Fereydoun Abbasi also rebuked the United States in comments to the IAEA’s 155-nation general conference, reflecting Iran’s determination to continue defying international pressure aimed at curbing its nuclear program and nudging it toward cooperation with the IAEA inspection.

    As such, the speech was bound to give a greater voice to hardline Israeli leaders who say that both diplomatic efforts and economic penalties have failed to move Iran, leaving military strikes as the only alternative to stopping it from developing nuclear weapons.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a direct appeal to American voters on Sunday to elect a president willing to draw a “red line” with Iran.

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2012/09/14/savage-friday-among-the-flowers-of-evil/#comment-393246

  321. Sorry, Shadowfax, but this inf must be ahraed.

    More evidence of insane pro-Islam anti-American policy from the POS administration.

    New rules for soldiers.

    US commanders are putting troops through intense Muslim sensitivity training. Among other things, they’ve been ordered to:

    * Wear surgical gloves whenever handling a copy of the Koran.

    * Never walk in front of a praying Muslim.

    * Never show the bottom of boots while sitting or lying across from a Muslim, which in Islam is considered an insult.

    * Never share photos of wives or daughters.

    * Never smoke or eat in front of Muslims during the monthlong Ramadan fasting.

    * Avoid winking, cursing or nose-blowing in the presence of Muslims — all viewed as insults in Islam.

    * Avoid exiting the shower without a towel.

    * Avoid offering and accepting things with the left hand, which in Islam is reserved for bodily hygiene and considered unclean.

    Troops who violate the sensitivity rules face severe punishment.

  322. By Joseph Curl
    Sunday, September 16, 2012
    Worse, a U.K. newspaper reported, “the U.S. State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and ‘lockdown
    [….]
    after the killing of Moammar Gaddafi by rebels, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton proudly boasted with a laugh “we came, we saw, he died”

    ============================

    Since Curl’s article was posted approvingly on a Hillary blog, I would have expected some rebuttal to his attacks on Hillary.

  323. “2. who has an election coming up and needs a scapegoat? the Libyan president or Messiah Obama?”

    [[ Both. ]]

    “3. who has a proven track record of lies and distortions?”

    [[ Fox News. ]]

  324. BASIL99: “They haven’t yet, apparently, decided on the punishment for the crime.”

    If the “crime” is publishing an insulting video in Egypt, maybe they should offer Sam Brice and Jones a free ride to Cairo so they can explain themselves to the mob. I’m sure the Egyptian police would provide adequate security….

  325. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 6:05 am
    rickya (4:33 am):

    You seem determined to draw me into a debate about Islam. I have a premonition that you have a lot of factoids that you want to throw at me to show how much you know and how any person who has studied Islam for 10 years (except Muslims themselves, of course) must inevitably come to your conclusion that Islam “is really an evil religion.”

    When you say “I am not talking about Muslims but of Islam,” you are showing deep ignorance of what Islam is.

    You are in no position to say this. You know precious little of Islam. It is your deep ignorance that is being revealed here.

    That is:

    I can say, as I often do, that Catholicism is anathema to me, or I hate it (not true, but it’s almost that bad) because the Catholic Church exists, with an intellectual hierarchy that establishes a doctrine that all Catholics are supposed to believe. Result: You can study Church dogma for a few years, or even a few weeks, and get a pretty good idea of what the Church wants its faithful to believe.

    The same is not true of Islam. Compared to the Catholic Church, Islam is an upside down nebula. A Muslim becomes a believer first, and then follows the rules and wisdom laid down not by some Pope but by a local imam. There is a fluid hierarchy among imams – depending on their life experience, their teachings will have more or less sway in their community – but that is the sum total of Muslim hierarchy: the local imam. There are at least 80 million imams worldwide, and they do not all have the same viewpoint – far from it – but it is they who define what Islam is, not some Pope or some American non-believer who studies book renditions of Islam for 10 years.

    Are you saying that the Islam that was practiced by Muhammad is not the true Islam. That’s the problem with Islam, jeswezey. When fundamentalists invoke Muhammad’s example, moderates can no longer debate. While Christians were peaceful in the time of Jesus, Muhammad was far from peaceful. While Jesus was chaste, Muhammad’s second wife was 6 years old when he married her and 9 years old when he consummated the marriage. You see, when these imams are confronted by fundamentalists, they can not win the debate. That’s why it is so important to go back to the text to determine if a religion is good or not. Neo-Nazis may live moral lives but that doesn’t say anything about whether or not Nazism is good.

    So, right off the bat, I can say that my private meetings and discussions with Muslims are of greater value in actually trying to understand what Islam is all about, whereas your readings would be more useful for someone looking for ammunition against Islam, or tying extremist Muslims into the nebulous mainstream. I suspect that that is what you want to do.

    Self-congratulatory statement of the sort that is embarassing.

    You assert, in your purely hypothetical assumption that “the filmmaker created a film that is all true and researched properly,” which is absolutely not the case, that “Muslims react violently to a lot of things” from which you expect me to infer that Muslims are going to go violent no matter what we say, true or not.

    You didn’t understand the hypothetical. What I was saying is that even if the film were well researched, we would still have the same response from these barbarians.

    You drive this at best hypo- hypothetical presumption home by asserting that “Modifying our behavior in anticipation of their violence never works,” but you have no reason at all for saying that.

    I have every reason to believe that this is true. If we modify our behavior because of their violence, won’t this encourage them to think that violence is effective in modifying our behavior? Your lack of imagination stuns me.

    You are implying that Muslims, acting under some pre-ordained Islamic code, are simply an army waiting for the chance to go to war. History over the past 1500 years will show you the opposite is true: Except for the conquest of the Crescent, Muslims have spent their time seeking and living in peace in the face of European conquest.

    Your ignorance here is showing. European conquests as you call them were all a reaction against Muslim aggression. Please read up on it. Do not just spout off when you are ignorant about it.

    “Turn the other cheek and search within for yourself.” Yes, that is indeed my gut reaction; but I should tell you that I always search within myself before the slap comes, which has avoided quite few slaps in my life. Always assuming that I was right, on the other hand, would have landed me in the cooler for sure.

    And while you are at it, live in Iran where you will be able to turn the other cheek everyday.

  326. BASIL99: New rules for soldiers.

    The rules sound like good common sense to me. Especially:

    “Never show the bottom of boots while sitting or lying across from a Muslim, which in Islam is considered an insult.”

    Showing the bottoms of your feet is considered bad manners, or an insult, in many countries including Israel and China. It happens to be a thing that Americans do without thinking. Remember when Obama was talking on the phone with Netanyahu and a photo was taken of him with his feet up on the desk in the Oval Office during the call? It was viewed as an insult, in any case non-Americans find it very distasteful.

    Foreign Service officers learn all of these rules and more. It stands to reason that military men master them too when they travel to foreign lands.

  327. rickya, we have just agreed to drop this topic of the evil of Islam. If you think you have won an argument, I’ll let you win: Islam is evil, Muslims are violent, the Crusades were a reaction to Muslim violence or whatever you’re trying to prove. You’re 100% right. Goodbye to that.

  328. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
    “…most Muslims do not understand the koran. They may be able to recite it but most don’t understand.”

    Can you recite it? Do you understand it? How do you know “most” don’t understand it if you haven’t communicated with them personally?

    Yes I can and Yes I understand it. I have communicated with a lot of Muslims and most don’t care to know what Islam is. Like I said, they don’t understand it.

    If the Koran is like most holy books such as the Bible, it certainly contains some contradictions and these contradictions are hammered out generation after generation, imam by imam, as the world turns.

    Well unfortunately, the Quran itself has in its text the mechanism to reconcile contradictions. So no, it is not hammered out imam by imam.

    I’m sure there are Muslims who would like to be enlightened by you concerning the evil aspects of their religion. So far, you haven’t indicated anything evil about it here.

    I have. You are just not reading properly. What about “Kill all infidels”? Don’t even bother coming up with peaceful verses….those peaceful verses came first while “Kill all infidels” came last. So under the concept of abrogation, the peaceful verses are abrogated athe the “Kill all infidels” stands.

  329. turndownobama
    September 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    By Joseph Curl
    Sunday, September 16, 2012
    [….]
    after the killing of Moammar Gaddafi by rebels, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton proudly boasted with a laugh “we came, we saw, he died”

    ============================

    Since Curl’s article was posted approvingly on a Hillary blog, I would have expected some rebuttal to his attacks on Hillary.
    &&&&&&&&&

    I posted the article, and yes, generally approvingly. The thrust of the Curl opion piece was valid.

    If there are details in there that are uncomfortable, or controversial, so be it. Maybe Hillary did say that, and maybe it is being taken
    out of context to some degree. I dunno, I can live with her having said that.

    To expect Hillary to have survived any political position (Senator, SoS, and dare I say it, President)without a scar would require a Twilight Zone-like suspension of belief.

  330. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
    rickya, we have just agreed to drop this topic of the evil of Islam. If you think you have won an argument, I’ll let you win: Islam is evil, Muslims are violent, the Crusades were a reaction to Muslim violence or whatever you’re trying to prove. You’re 100% right. Goodbye to that.

    Wow! Did I start this discussion? Wasn’t I just responding to your posts and TDO’s. Stop regaling us with your ignorance about Islam and I will stop responding.

  331. rickya: “Wow! Did I start this discussion?”

    Yes, you did; but little does that matter, I’ve let you win so that should end it.

  332. “FoxNews.com
    Was deadly attack in Libya ’spontaneous’ or planned?”

    =========================

    Both. Both Rice and the Libyan President say that two elements were involved: a spontaneous protest infiltrated and used as “cover” by a planned operation.

    Of course the spontaneous protestors may have been summoned for that date by the ‘Arab Limbaugh’ who broadcast about the film (and some al Qaedas who wanted to protest about the ‘blind sheik’ iirc).

  333. “FoxNews.com
    Was deadly attack in Libya ’spontaneous’ or planned?”

    =========================

    Both. Both Rice and the Libyan President say that two elements were involved: a spontaneous protest infiltrated and used as “cover” by a planned operation.

    Of course the spontaneous protestors may have been summoned for that date by the ‘Arab Limbaugh’ who broadcast about the film (and some al Qaedas who wanted to protest about the ‘blind sheik’ iirc).

  334. Religion is the opiate of the masses and opinions are like assho!es,
    Everyone has one and believes that theirs is the only one that doesn’t STINK.

    Put a cork in it, or maybe find someone who actually PRACTICES the religion to argue with.
    Being both a Jew and a confirmed Catholic, it rankles me to hear “expertise” from “scholars”
    who are not of the faith they critique. Smarter people than you have disagreed on this topic,
    and have done so with far more eloquence, wit and RESPECT.
    Having a discussion about someone else’s religion almost always results in generating lots of heat
    without shedding much light. Here is yet another example.
    Stick to politics…

  335. MEDIA DESPERATE TO CREATE A “ROMNEY JUST ABOUT TOAST” MEME

    Even as some polls show the race tightening (and that being viewed through the prism of heavily oversampled Democrat polls), we still have the peddlers of misinformation telling us we might as well sit it out. It’s done. Romney almost can’t win. Obama should start picking out the second-term curtains for the Oval office.

    In WW II, if you heard the Germans saying, “The weak west is almost kaput, we are weeks away from victory. Moscow is on the verge of falling”. At some point, you gotta say, “Hey, this is just propaganda, meant to shore up an increasingly desperate opponent.”

    But still it’s funny breezily skimming through pieces like Ezra Klein’s “The Romney campaign is in trouble”.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/17/romney-is-behind-and-the-debates-arent-likely-to-save-him/

    Or Robert Reich’s HuffPo “Why Romney and Ryan Are Going Down” (hey, is that a homophobic slur???)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/romney-ryan-going-down_b_1888892.html

    Blah blah blah:

    “Obama sees clear path to victory”
    “Biden’s body fat ratio at all time low, better than Ryan!”
    “Romney sleepwalking into gauntlet”
    “Obama pulls off that Magic Again!!!”

    Give me a break.

  336. Jamiat Ittehadul Ulema (JIU) Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa chapter President Abdul Akbar Chitrali declared a bounty worth Rs10 million (US $105,000) on the head of the film’s producer as vociferous protests against the anti-Islam movie ‘Innocence of Muslims’ continue.

    ======================

    Obscure nuts in the US do these things (Jones, film makers), and obscure nuts in the ME make these offers. Haven’t heard of anyone collecting the “rewards”, or even any violent attacks on the US nuts. Perhaps money raised for either project, goes into the respective nuts’ pockets?

  337. TheRealist: Thanks for the words of wisdom: “… find someone who actually practices the religion to argue with.”

    Perhaps that will end the discussion, since none of us is Muslim.

  338. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
    rickya: “Wow! Did I start this discussion?”

    Yes, you did; but little does that matter, I’ve let you win so that should end it.

    No, I did not. You were going on and on about this three threads back when I responded. And there are no winners here. It is enough that the arguments are out there for others to read.

  339. “Abdul Akbar Chitrali declared a bounty worth Rs10 million (US $105,000) on the head of the film’s producer”

    Assuming he gets Jones, what’s he going to do with him? Seems a hit man would cost less than $105,000.

  340. rickya: “It is enough that the arguments are out there for others to read.”

    I’m telling you, the others don’t want to read the arguments and I don’t want to participate.

  341. TheRealist
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
    Religion is the opiate of the masses and opinions are like assho!es,
    Everyone has one and believes that theirs is the only one that doesn’t STINK.

    Put a cork in it, or maybe find someone who actually PRACTICES the religion to argue with.
    Being both a Jew and a confirmed Catholic, it rankles me to hear “expertise” from “scholars”
    who are not of the faith they critique. Smarter people than you have disagreed on this topic,
    and have done so with far more eloquence, wit and RESPECT.
    Having a discussion about someone else’s religion almost always results in generating lots of heat
    without shedding much light. Here is yet another example.
    Stick to politics…

    Actually, the best people to debate this are people outside of the religion. People of the religion tend to be emotional about it to the point of being criminal. People of the religion tend to be irrational about it.

    Are you saying that because other people have more eloquence, wit and respect on a given topic, we should stop discussing it? That would be true of ALL topics. I don’t care that it doesn’t generate much light, I care that the information is relayed out there.

  342. jeswezey
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
    rickya: “It is enough that the arguments are out there for others to read.”

    I’m telling you, the others don’t want to read the arguments and I don’t want to participate.

    I only care that the arguments are out there for others to read whether they want to read the arguments or not.

  343. Someone else may want to enable your unabated, insufferable exposition on your infallible knowledge, but Ive clearly stated my position.
    Stick to politics…

  344. TheRealist
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
    Someone else may want to enable your unabated, insufferable exposition on your infallible knowledge, but Ive clearly stated my position.
    Stick to politics…

    You rudely intrude into a discussion by telling everyone to shut up and I am the one who is insufferable? My knowledge is not infallible but you seem to think your wisdom is.

  345. ‘The Hope and The Change’ Movie to Air on Broadcast, Cable TV

    “The Hope and the Change,” the movie about Democrats and independents who voted for President Barack Obama in 2008 and will not do so in 2012, will air on a dozen television stations this fall leading up to the presidential election, Citizens United announced on Monday.

    Citizens United produced the film and has struck a deal to begin airing the movie on six broadcast stations and six cable stations beginning Tuesday on HDNet and through November’s presidential election. It will reach 130 million households and air on broadcast stations in Indiana, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Hawaii, and Colorado. The movie will air on cable channels such as FamilyNet, Rural TV, and HDNet movies.

    Sean Hannity said “The Hope and the Change” was the “most powerful documentary” he had “ever seen,” and the movie could only be produced because of the Supreme Court decision that did not place limits on political speech.

    “It is important to note that these distribution opportunities would have been against the law a mere three years ago. This is why I went to the United States Supreme Court – to fight for the right to produce a political documentary,” said Producer David N. Bossie. “’The Hope and The Change’ exposes the hard truth that many Democrats and independents are suffering at the hands of President Obama’s failed policies, and we will aggressively market this film so Americans can finally have an unfiltered conversation they deserve.”

    Stephen K. Bannon, who directed the film, said “the ability to reach 130 million American cumulative households with this historic deal is astonishing.”

    “The power of the film comes from the collective unscripted and unrehearsed voices of the participants – ordinary Americans from every walk of life – who broke through the white noise of political speak,” Bannon said.

    Pat Caddell, the former Jimmy Carter adviser who helped conduct the film’s focus groups of Reagan Democrats from swing states like Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Colorado, said “this documentary gives real voice to ordinary Americans, Democrats and independents, who are, until now, unheard and ignored by the political class and mainstream media.”

    “The power of these 2008 Obama voters comes from the fact that they were unscripted and spoke from their hearts,” Caddell said.

    The movie is one of the most powerful weapons of the 2012 election cycle for its unfiltered portrayal of the disaffected voters who voted for Obama who feel betrayed by his false promises and lofty rhetoric.

    The mainstream media knows how powerfully the movie resonates with voters who will decide the election in swing states like Ohio and Florida, and that is why they are not giving the movie any publicity. The mainstream press has also avoided interviewing and profiling the types of disaffected Reagan Democrats “The Hope and the Change” profiled.

    With the broadcast and cable television deal, “The Hope and the Change” has an opportunity to go over the heads of the traditional, legacy media and into the homes of some of the most important swing voters in this election.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/17/The-Hope-and-The-Change-Movie-To-Air-On-Broadcast-And-Cable-Television

    Too bad it won’t air in other states like Fl.

  346. The Hope and the Change,” the movie about Democrats and independents who voted for President Barack Obama in 2008 and will not do so in 2012, will air on a dozen television stations this fall leading up to the presidential election, Citizens United announced on Monday.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/17/The-Hope-and-The-Change-Movie-To-Air-On-Broadcast-And-Cable-Television

    =======================

    Same producers who made the anti-Hillary movie (under the acronym C.U.N.T?), and got corporations declared as people.

    Doesn’t this tell us something about their credibility? (And Breitbart’s also.)

  347. How can you not show the soles of your feet when you put your feet on a coffee table, or a hassock, or sit back in a lounge chair or in a recliner? Naturally you would think that’s a good idea.

    I suppose if Muslims found it offensive to to eat ice cream in a cone you would agree to that ban as well and force everyone to use a spoon whether the ice cream was in a cone or a cup.

    The sight of a human tongue is surely offensive, just like the sight of a woman’s body from at least head to toe with maybe the eyes peeking through. In your insane world all western women should wear the burka so Muslim men wouldn’t be offended. Women, whether or muslim or not, should walk behind so men won’t be aroused, just as they have to sit behind the men in mosques.

    You are the one who should book a one way ticket to the mideast. On the other hand, if you are a male you have nothing to lose.

  348. Leanora
    September 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Breaking: Libya Story Collapses

    It was only a matter of time. now let’s see if LSM reports it or if the contrarians on the blog accept the truth.

  349. BASIL99: “LSM reports it or if the contrarians on the blog accept the truth.”

    ?? Am I supposed to be one of the “contrarians”? In any event, I definitely accept this version of the facts which seems unassailable.

    Also interested to see if LSM will report it.

  350. Leading Sunni Clerics Demand Global Ban on Insults to Islam
    By Patrick Goodenough

    (CNSNews.com) – Six months after declaring that all churches in the Arabian peninsula should be destroyed, Saudi Arabia’s top cleric called at the weekend for a global ban on insults targeting all religious “prophets and messengers,” a category that, from a Muslim perspective, includes Jesus Christ.
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    The two clerics’ calls are a new salvo in an unremitting campaign by Islamic political and religious leaders, spearheaded by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), to pressure non-Muslims to treat Islam with deference.
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    Nonetheless Asheikh last March told a delegation of visiting Kuwaitis that all churches in the Arabian peninsula should be destroyed. He cited a hadith – a saying or tradition of Mohammed – in which he was quoted as declaring on his deathbed, “There are not to be two religions in the [Arabian] Peninsula.”
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    Saudi Arabia does not permit the existence of churches or public expressions of non-Muslim religious worship.

  351. New ULSTERMAN article:

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    ‘Obama DOJ Update: IG Report Excerpts Condemn Top Obama Officials”

    “Somewhat lost in the still developing Middle East embassy attack stories, is a very-soon-to-be-released Inspector General report that Fox News suggests holds damning evidence against top Obama administration officials related to the failed and deadly Fast and Furious gunrunning operation.” [….]

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/17/obama-doj-scandal-update-ig-report-excerpts-condemn-top-obama-officials/

  352. Oh, goody.

    Iranian official: We’ll “track down” the people behind the Mohammed movie

    “The government of the Islamic Republic of Iran condemns … this inappropriate and offensive action,” First Vice-President Mohammad Reza Rahimi said, according to the Mehr news agency.

    “Certainly it will search for, track, and pursue this guilty person who … has insulted 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.

  353. A sampling of today’s headlines. Anyone notice a pattern?

    1 – Death threats, petitions swirl online after anti-Islam filmmaker’s identity is revealed

    2 – Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil has revealed that “a number” of the thousands involved in protests near the U.S. Embassy in Cairo were getting paid to participate.

    3 – Libyan reports shred White House claim that Benghazi attack was spontaneous, driven by anti-Islam film

    4 – White House media ignores Obama’s Muslim outreach meltdown

  354. rickya: “Wow! Did I start this discussion?”
    jes: Yes, you did

    For your information, Rickya, here’s where you took it deeply off topic: away from current events into factoids about another religion’s scriptures:
    rickya
    September 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

  355. Raging at ‘Muslim Rage’

    Muslim Rage & The Last Gasp of Islamic Hate

    Liberal and Muslim media outlets expressed outrage Monday over a Newsweek cover photo and essay discussing the drawbacks of appeasing “Muslim rage,” as Newsweek dubbed it.

    The article, by scholar Ayaan Hirsi Ali—a former Muslim who renounced the religion after the 9/11 terrorist attacks—argued that the Western tendency to apologize for offensive free speech only emboldens Islamic extremists.

    http://freebeacon.com/raging-at-muslim-rage/

    ********************************************

    “It is a strange and bitter coincidence that the latest eruption of violent Islamic indignation takes place just as Salman Rushdie publishes his new book, Joseph Anton: A Memoir, about his life under the fatwa.

    In 23 years not much has changed.”

    Once again the streets of the Arab world are burning with false outrage. But we must hold our heads up high. Ayaan Hirsi Ali on how she survived Muslim rage—and how we can end it.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/09/16/ayaan-hirsi-ali-on-the-islamists-final-stand.html

  356. The POS is about to have even more blood on his hands. After Brian Terry, after Chris Stevens and the other three Americans, after the 30+ SEAL team members shot down following bigmouth Barry’s boasting about bin Laden – now it could be the deaths of civilians – the three children and wife of the film maker demonized by this administration in a disgusting attempt to “blame anyone but Barry.”

    There is still free speech in this country. The administration had gone after this man, painted a bullseye on his back by outing him and have now endangered his entire family.

    What a disgrace.

    Where the f**k is the ACLU? Where are the leftie activists?

    The family of the man linked to the controversial anti-Islamic film “Innocence of Muslims” left their Cerritos home amid darkness Monday morning with assistance from members of the Cerritos Sheriff’s Station.

    Three unmarked sheriff’s vehicles made their way into the residential cul-de-sac at about 3:40 a.m. Monday to pick up the family members of 55-year-old Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who left the Cerritos residence just after midnight Saturdayunder the glare of a handful of news cameras.

    This time, the late night operation was not quite the spectacle with just a Patch reporter and a lone network camera man videotaping the family exiting their home.

    Cerritos sheriff’s Capt. Joe A. Gonzales and sheriff’s department spokesman Steve Whitmore looked on as members of the Cerritos sheriff’s Special Assignment Operations (SAO) Team — three deputies, a sergeant, and a lieutenant — approached the front door, but were then asked to go the the side gate by the residents inside.

    A few minutes later, four family members — Nakoula’s wife, his two sons and a daughter — walked out of the same black wrought-iron side gate the infamous patriarch of their family did just two nights before. The family, clad in hooded sweatshirts and jackets used to cover their heads and faces, quickly scurried towards the three sheriff’s vehicles, placing a few bags and belongings in the trunk before getting into the cars.

  357. BASIL99: “How can you not show the soles of your feet when you put your feet on a coffee table,…”

    When in Rome do as the Romans do. If an American takes tea in Japan, he should not put his feet on the tea table, whatever the reason. It isn’t done. All Foreign Service officers are aware of such rules and follow them. When an uninstructed American does something like that, the Japanese hosts are really shocked.

    Actually, I believe this taboo of not showing the soles of your feet to someone is of Buddhist origin; but it is offensive in many countries. It’s not particularly Muslim, in any case.

    Please don’t start saying that this is “my” insane world where I think that all Muslim foibles should be imposed on Texans in Texas. You’re putting words in my mouth: “In your insane world all western women should wear the burqa so Muslim men wouldn’t be offended.” Why do you say that? To make me look stupid? I’m stupid enough as it is without accusing me of living in an insane world of your own imagination.

    It’s a matter of “When in Rome…”. You’d better wear a burqa and walk around with an escort when in public in Jeddah; whereas just a few hundred miles away in the UAE you can wear a miniskirt and go unescorted. I don’t make up these rules and don’t agree with them, but we have to follow them depending on the local custom.

    Why do you say I “should book a one way ticket to the mideast”? Trying to pick a fight? What nonsense!

  358. “the Western tendency to apologize for offensive free speech only emboldens Islamic extremists.”

    Ya think?

    👿

    If Muslims keep this up they’re going to awaken some American rage.

  359. “but we have to follow them depending on the local custom.”

    That’s ridiculous. The local custom in Mali calls for cutting hands off thieves. So I take it you would adhere to that practice or submit to that punishment if you were in Mali as it is the local custom? I mean, you wouldn’t even try to fight it, right?

    “A spokesman for one of the radical Islamist groups controlling northern Mali says their fighters have cut off a thief’s hand in the former tourist hotspot of Timbuktu.

    Oumar Ould Hamaha told The Associated Press the robber had been caught after breaking into a store, from where he had stolen merchandise worth $2,000. His hand was cut off Sunday afternoon.

    It was at least the seventh amputation carried out by the Islamists since they seized control of the territory in April. It comes after last Monday’s gruesome double amputation of five highway robbers in the northern city of Gao. According to the strict form of Shariah practiced by the rebels, armed robbery requires the cutting off of both a hand and a foot.”

    “Why do you say that? To make me look stupid?”

    I have no comment.

    “When in Rome do as the Romans do.”

    I never did think that proverb was very helpful. I mean, if you were hanging out with Charles Manson and the group was helter-skeltering then you would join in. If you were a soldier in Nazi Germany you would help incinerate Jews, Poles, Gypsies and other undesirables (according to Hitler). If you were a black teen and saw a roving gang attacking someone (usually white) just for kicks you’d take a shot or two.

  360. This is brilliant. And it illustrates why so many have zero sympathy for the Muslim “he called my mother fat” whine.

    First of all, the film had NOTHING to do with what happened in Egypt and Libya. I was all a lie – Taqqiyah – permissable in Muslim society. The other 48 countries howling at the moon weree simply salivating for the excuse to protest Americans.

    Here’s Flopping Aces post.
    By: DrJohn

    This could be a really simple post. All I have to do is post Drudge headlines. First, these three:

    LIBYAN OFFICIAL WARNED USA ’3 DAYS BEFORE ATTACK’…

    Libyan president: ‘No doubt’ was ‘preplanned’ starting months ago…

    Video Purports To Show US Ambassador Dragged, Cheers From Crowd…
    and then this one:

    Ambassador Rice: Attack NOT Premeditated…

    But let’s flesh them out a bit.

    It is obvious to all but the most mentally impaired that the attack that took the life of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was planned. Libyan officials agree. Hell, they even warned Washington.

    Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.

    Libya’s current President made it clear that this was planned:

    Libya President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf said Sunday that 50 arrests have been made in connection with last week’s “preplanned” attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that left U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead.

    “The way these perpetrators acted and moved — I think we, and they’re choosing the specific date for this so-called demonstration, I think we have no, this leaves us with no doubt that this was pre-planned, determined,” Magariaf said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

    “And you believe that this was the work of Al Qaeda, and you believe that it was led by foreigners. Is that what you’re telling us?” CBS host Bob Schieffer asked.

    “It was planned, definitely. It was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago. And they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” Magariaf said.

    And the Obama adminstration?

    Um, no it wasn’t. It was spontaneous.

    U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi last week was not premeditated, directly contradicting top Libyan officials who say the attack was planned in advance.

    Let’s recap:
    – The attack in Bengahazi was not an attack in a nation’s capitol
    – It was the only attack on US assets to include grenades and RPG’s
    – It simply happened to occur when Chris Stevens was visiting
    – The attackers knew where the safe house was
    – There was no Marine guard
    – It occurred on 9-11
    – They knew Stevens was coming

    I present to you three of the most grand lies in US government history:

    “I am not a crook”
    “I did not have sex with that woman”
    “This was a spontaneous attack”

    If you buy into this, and most liberals will, you are truly a useful idiot. Among those useful idiots?

    Brian Williams, Anderson Cooper, Bob Schieffer, David Gregory.
    And all of PMSNBC.

    But the fact is, Obama has jumped the shark.

    And let us harken back to Obama’s words:

    I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.

    Not Catholicism, not Judaism, only Islam.

  361. Actually, I believe this taboo of not showing the soles of your feet to someone is of Buddhist origin; but it is offensive in many countries.

    ==================

    It’s strong in Indian Hindu culture, and in Thai Theravada Buddhist.

  362. “The local custom in Mali calls for cutting hands off thieves.”

    In Saudi Arabia as well. The trick is not to get caught stealing in Mali or Saudi Arabia. Whether or not I “would adhere to that practice”, it is the law of those lands and I cannot just tell the police that I’m American so another punishment applies for me. I doubt that even the US embassy would fend for me.

    I don’t agree with mutilation. But Mali is not my country and I cannot influence the laws or customs. I have to live by them when I am there, and the best way to avoid mutilation is to avoid breaking the law.

    “When in Rome” does not mean when you find a gang. The examples you give are local gangs engaged not in lawful or even customary activities. “When in Rome” is not an invitation to undertake the illegal activities of a gang but just the opposite – to follow the customs and laws of the land.

    None of the rules for soldiers would require them to do anything illegal or morally reprehensible. They are simply things that don’t come to mind for an average American but which can be important when the American is not in his own country.

    This “insane world” – i.e. the world outside the US of A – does not belong to me nor to you, but to the local populations; so it doesn’t matter what our personal assessments of these customs are. All we have to do is to keep them in mind and follow the local rules. It’s not too much to ask of a traveler, a diplomat or a soldier.

  363. The POS should be impeached and the LSM should have their press credentials permanently revoked for their despicable dishonest handling of the latest Muslim outrage.

  364. THIS is one reason I despise the Muslim Brotherhood (the controlling group in the worldwide anti-American riots) and the POS.


  365. “Sure wish there was such an honest, responsible voice in American media.”

    Tut tut !! Mustn’t demand responsibility when it comes to free speech. The media can say whatever the hell it pleases and the truth be damned. It’s a free country!

  366. Flopping Aces wrote elsewhere:
    I present to you three of the most grand lies in US government history:
    “I am not a crook”
    “I did not have sex with that woman”

    ======================

    Which, on a pro-Clinton blog, should tell us something about Aces’ sympathies.

  367. TheRealist
    September 17th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The insanity of the events of the past week lend itself to this very discussion. No American can really NOT talk about what has happened. It is all tied together, Muslims, the fraud, MM, Romney.

    The threat of Islam is real. I have a church which converted into a mosque in an extremely conservative city in Texas 2 years ago, in the dead of one night. I have since found out they converted 2 other church’s nearby. This is of great concern to me.

    Islam is a violent dictatorial evil threat to our existence, and we do nothing but placate it. Worse, we open our cities to this repulsive threat. No woman in her right mind should ignore this.

    Rickya has every right to fight the obot lovers on this board but I feel it is a waste of time.

    The violence will continue because of the appeasement of the muslims by the fraud and MM. Our lives are in danger, America is in danger. We can not walk away from this issue.

  368. The Scary Thing Isn’t That Fundamentalist Muslims Are Calling For the Filmmaker’s Death. The Scary Thing Is That American Liberals Are, Too.
    —Ace

    Althouse: “Let’s not be so quick to assume the man with the “Shut Up America” sign [a protester outside an embassy] is thoroughly alien. The threats to free speech lie within. They always have.”

    Yup:

    “Insallah [God willing], we will kill him,” one Facebook user, Shayan Khan, wrote from Karachi, Pakistan.
    Some YouTube users envisioned particularly imaginative demises for Nakoula in the comments section of a video related to his detention.

    “I wanna torture him with a shot [to] his knee cap, then blow his eyes with [a] knife, take a chain saw and cut his penis, then a hot rod would be given to his ass, then kill him until he is hanged till death,” funkyfolk1110 wrote. “Kill this bastard,” said another user.

    On Twitter, a user named Yayan E. Putra posted, “Fuck Nakoula Basseley, i want to kill you!!!” The message starkly contrasted with Putra’s brief Twitter profile, which stated simply, “A smile is the little thing that can make life easier.”

    “Someone please kill him,” agreed Nelson Davis, a retired market researcher living in New York, who earlier on Sunday invited his Twitter followers to “Choose your free Obama sticker!”

    The man’s crime? Using the right of free speech. But the actual offense is complicating Obama’s political campaign.

    And for that, of course, he should be killed. (Um, obviously I am being bitterly sarcastic here. I don’t want a Doom demerit.)

    For some reason, I suspect if I were to say something like “I wish the crazed, homicidal Tea Partiers (who haven’t killed or hurt anyone) would kill these traitors to the Constitution,” their attitudes about violence over free speech would change pretty damn quick.

    And suddenly we’d have sympathetic stories about their plight, these poor Americans, abused by crazed extremists wishing for their deaths, put in fear for their lives by vicious extremists who don’t understand that in America, dissent is patriotic.

    In related news: Happy Constitution Day!

    “Liberal” Bill Press: Lock These Guys Up For Blasphemy: But we’ll call it something else, so we can pretend we’re still “liberal.”

    So, I think the United States ought to identify, yeah, we oughta be going after these terrorists that carried out the attacks in Libya and we are. I think we also ought to be identifying the people who made this video and go after them with the full force of the law and lock their ass up.
    That tip is from, appropriately enough, George Orwell.

  369. turndownobama
    September 17th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    For your information, Rickya, here’s where you took it deeply off topic: away from current events into factoids about another religion’s scriptures:
    rickya
    September 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Well, that post was a response to your post that claims that culture has more to do with it than religion. I disagreed.

  370. Well, that post was a response to your post that claims that culture has more to do with it than religion. I disagreed.

    =====================

    pm and I had made a couple of very brief posts about current behavior of Muslims differing in different countries. You went into long, factoid attacks on their old writings.

  371. turndownobama
    September 17th, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    pm and I had made a couple of very brief posts about current behavior of Muslims differing in different countries. You went into long, factoid attacks on their old writings.

    So what? My post was still just a response to yours. I brought up those “factoids” as you like to call it to prove a point. Not as a point to discuss. You wanted to absolve the religion from the evil. I was saying that it is guilty of it. That was the point that I was trying to make.

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