After Cairo: Barack Obama Will Get Us All Killed

Update II: In the United States of America, we don’t apologize for our freedom of speech. Ever. For some however we are not only supposed to surrender our freedom of speech but also to surrender our voices and parrot their ideology. Two words come to mind in response to Egypt’s Islamist president telling embassy to take legal action in U.S. against makers of Mohammed film.

Here in America we won’t put on the Iron Veil willingly. Mitt Romney must provide a coherent narrative to Americans that starts off with the Obama snub of Netanyahu and the Cairo speech of 2009.

This is much better from the Romney camp:



C’mon Romney fight Big Media, that’s your real enemy. You won’t beat Obama without beating on Big Media.

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Update: As we write below, Big Media is out to protect Barack Obama now more than ever. An attack on American soil just as with Jimmy Carter but Big Media sees the job as “attack Mitt, protect Barack”. There now appears to be proof of our contention via an surprise audio: Press caught on open mic coordinating Egypt/Libya questions for Romney? When Big Media coordinates on Obama questions it is about how the JournoListers can protect Obama.

C’mon Mitt, you got to strike back against Big Media and Obama as we suggested yesterday and below.

Paul Ryan has given a good statement which is on the right path of what we suggest. We’ll put the video up as soon as it is available.

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Muslim murderers kill American diplomats. American Big Media immediately condemns the free speech which is the birthright of American citizens.

These same Big Media pigs once praised Barack Obama as the man that would raise respect for America among Muslim men “not a notch, but a logarithm“.

Other Big Media pigs that fell in love with the disgusting “Arab Spring” put their efforts in protecting the failure that is Barack Obama and attacked Mitt Romney for introducing rationality into the discussion.

That’s all true. Andrew Sullivan thought “Obama’s face” should be praised and that Muslim men would regard that ugly puss in the same way Russian peasants once worshiped icons of the Virgin. Mike Barnicle and Donny Deutsch want Americans deprived of free speech rights and prosecuted for watching this film:



The Wall Street Journal reported on what the film is about and what happened when Muslim savages attacked the American embassy:

“The film’s 52-year-old writer, director and producer, Sam Bacile, said that he wanted to showcase his view of Islam as a hateful religion. “Islam is a cancer,” he said in a telephone interview from his home. “The movie is a political movie. It’s not a religious movie.” [snip]

The flashpoint appeared to be the film about the Prophet Muhammad, portions of which in recent days have been circulating on the Internet. Contravening the Islamic prohibition of portraying the prophet, clips from the film show him not only as flesh and blood—but as a homosexual son of undetermined patrimony, who rises to advocate child slavery and extramarital sex, for himself, in the name of religion. [snip]

While protesters in Cairo said they understood American laws on free expression, they saw them as secondary to their religious practice. “Freedom of belief is more important than freedom of expression,” said Ashraf Ibrahim, 34, who was at Tuesday’s protest.[snip]

Though the film was the focus of demonstrators’ outrage, the spirited protest amounted to more of a general outpouring of grievances against U.S. policy in the Islamic world. Several signs and chants decried the U.S.-led invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as American support for Israel.

Many recalled the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, that killed thousands of U.S. citizens 11 years earlier.

“Obama! Obama! We are all Osama!” went one chant, referring to Osama bin Laden, the late head of Al Qaeda, the militant Islamist organization widely believed to be responsible for the 9/11 attacks.”

None of the above should surprise anyone and none of the above issues is unknown to Americans. The producers of the film claim it is a “political film” and Americans know the Citizens United Supreme Court decision and what happens in a free society when there are attempts to shut down political expression. Ain’t gonna happen here Muslim savages and opponents of free speech (which we are indulging in today even though we recognize that there are good and bad people in all groups).

The Muslim savages want Muhammad exempt from a modernity that commonly depicts religious figures without having members of that faith kill others and destroy property. ‘Mo-ham-mud’s biography is also subject to scrutiny – and ridicule – and we will spell that name any damn way we please.

To the Muslim savages, “freedom of expression” which they understand quite well, is subservient to “freedom of belief”. In America you can worship goats or rubber ducks and we have the right to laugh at you. Islam is not and should not be exempt from ridicule or examination no matter how cruel or vicious.

But freedom of expression is out of fashion with Big Media these days. Today, after our exhortations to Mitt Romney yesterday on several matters related to the Muslim savage attack on American embassies and Obama’s snub of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, we heard from Mitt Romney a reasonable statement on the embassy killings.

Big Media immediately rushed to protect Barack Obama. Mark Halperin, a commentor along with Barnicle and Deutsch on MSNBC put the burden and the blame on Mitt Romney:

“Unless the Romney campaign has gamed this crisis out in some manner completely invisible to the Gang of 500, his doubling down on criticism of the President for the statement coming out of Cairo is likely to be seen as one of the most craven and ill-advised tactical moves in this entire campaign.”

Big Media or as Halperin calls his fellow pigs “the Gang of 500” will attempt to portray Romney’s tepid statement as “one of the most craven and ill-advised tactical moves in this entire campaign”. Romney should take on Barack Obama and his Big Media campaign affiliates full on.

We are sure, and we are not relying on polls although we have been ever so on target with our polling analysis (told ya so about that bounce and “wait until after Wednesday”), that Americans will support Mitt Romney on these myriad issues. It’s why we have repeatedly called for Romney to go to Florida and speak out as loudly as possible on the Obama snub of Netanyahu and on the subsequent savage attacks on American embassies.

Conservative Daniel Foster of National Review, like Mark Halperin, thinks Romney has a problem too. But that’s because Daniel Foster (and Politico and the rest of Big Media) have the timeline all wrong. What’s missing in their analysis?:

“But he’s been screwed by the timing.

If I’ve got it straight, here’s the actual order of events: 1) U.S. diplomats in Cairo shamefully apologize more or less preemptively for private U.S. citizens exercising their First Amendment rights in a way that “hurts the religious feelings” of Muslims. 2) “Protests” intensify into attacks on embassy in Cairo and consulate in Benghazi. 3) Romney calls Cairo embassy response disgraceful. 4) Reports of murders of Americans in Benghazi confirmed. 5) Obama administration disavows Cairo embassy line. 6) Obama campaign flack LaBolt shames Romney for politicizing murders.

But the instant narrative from the media is that Romney “jumped the gun,” that he has used the death of Americans as a campaign prop and broken the sacred rule that “politics stops at the water’s edge.” Except that’s not what happened at all. Cairo jumped the gun on its controllers in Washington, and by the time Cairo’s disgraceful response filtered out into the media ether it was being rendered more disgraceful still by the violent turn the protests took, and Romney rightly condemned it as disgraceful. The Obama administration then caught up to Romney and muzzled Cairo. So how is Romney the one with the bad messaging here?”

Somehow the Obama snub of Netanyahu got left out of yesterday’s order of events. If Romney screwed up it is in not following our advice and speaking up about the Obama snub of Netanyahu as the primary problem. The embassy killings are a symptom of Obama weakness and signals to Muslim savages that they will win if they fight against American freedom.

Again, “The embassy killings are a symptom of Obama weakness and signals to Muslim savages that they will win if they fight against American freedom.” Got that Mitt?

Mitt Romney has to declare that Obama is the problem. Obama bowing and scraping, in between apologies, is the problem. It sends a message of weakness. Of course Obama is weak so the message is apropos. Mitt Romney has to denounce Obama’s pusillanimous postures and demand that Obama be thrown out of office because Obama will get us killed.

We recently discussed George W. Bush’s message in 2004. It was simple:Bush will keep you safe, John Kerry will get you killed.” Mitt Romney better appropriate that message before Obama gets his slimy hands on it.

Obama wants to run a Bush 2004 campaign with a weak incumbent eventually winning. Mitt Romney has to block that and use the Bush message: “Mitt Romney will keep you safe, Barack Obama will get you killed.”

Mitt Romney will not win the vote in academia, Big Media, Mosques or Muslim countries. Academics are already declaring that the producers of a film should be prosecuted and their free speech rights annulled, Constitution be damned. Supposed American ally, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan is already on the job stirring up violence from savages.

Mitt Romney has the capacity to win this foreign policy argument, place the blame where it belongs – on weak Barack Obama – and garner the votes of the majority of Americans. Today Mitt Romney tried but he left out the key component – the Obama snub of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. Impromptu asides are insufficient and will not work.

It’s not only Obama’s snub of Netanyahu. Barack Obama’s Cairo speech sent the signal to Muslim savages that Obama, either due to weakness or sympathy, would protect them. Obama at Cairo sent the signal that lit yesterday’s fires.

The Obama policy of appeasement is what Mitt Romney must attack. Romney has to remind Americans of Barack Obama’s weakness: It’s the surrender to the Iranian mullahs as the Iranian people rose up. It the “without preconditions” Obama destruction of America. It’s the corrupt bowing to the corrupt. It will get us killed and Mitt Romney has to make that clear.

It is clear that these attacks were staged and planned for September 11. the embassy is American soil and the terrorists attacked America once again on September 11. Mitt Romney must put the blame squarely on the Muslim savages that attacked American embassies and on Barack Obama’s policy of snubbing Israel and appeasement of savagery.

Mitt Romney tried today but Big Media is out to protect Obama. Romney must understand that he will not beat the Big Media filter he will have to overcome it. Florida voters will hear Mitt Romney if Romney speaks clearly and without fear. Remind the voters of “Jerusalem” at the DNC and the boos that came from the majority of Obama delegates.



Sorry Mitt. Saying Obama is sending “mixed signals” is not going to cut it. Borrow from Bush “Obama will get us all killed, I’ll keep Americans safe.” That has to be your foreign policy message.

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176 thoughts on “After Cairo: Barack Obama Will Get Us All Killed

  1. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/us-usa-libya-attack-idUSBRE88B1C620120912

    The attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other American diplomats in Benghazi, Libya, may have been planned and organized in advance, U.S. government officials said on Wednesday.

    The officials said that there were indications that members of a militant faction calling itself Ansar al Sharia – which translates as Supporters of Islamic Law – may have been involved in organizing the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya’s second-largest city.

    They also said some reporting from the region suggested that members of Al-Qaeda’s north Africa-based affiliate, known as Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, may have been involved.

    “It bears the hallmarks of an organized attack” and appeared to be preplanned, one U.S. official said.

    The officials asked for anonymity when discussing sensitive information. More specific details about the possible role of militant groups or cells in the attack were not immediately available.

    One U.S. official noted that, in the wake of the collapse of the government of the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi last year, Libyan government arsenals were looted, making small arms and more sophisticated weapons available both to potential militants and black marketeers.

    Some U.S. officials cautioned against assuming that the Benghazi attack, or a similarly-timed violent protest at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, were deliberately organized to coincide with the anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks carried out by al Qaeda in Washington and New York.

    U.S. and European officials said that in contrast to the Benghazi attack, which some investigators say may have been calculated and organized, the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo appeared more likely to have been a spontaneous eruption by a mob.

    Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith and two other Americans who have not yet been identified were killed when gunmen stormed the consulate and another U.S. safe house in Benghazi on Tuesday.

    A London think-tank run by a former Libyan militant leader suggested on Tuesday that not only was the Benghazi attack “well planned,” but that it may have been retaliation for an American drone attack which killed a Libyan leader of al-Qaeda’s core command group earlier this year.

    The Quilliam Foundation said that 24 hours before the Benghazi incident, al Qaeda leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, distributed a video to militant websites in which he confirmed the death of his second in command, known as Abu Yahya al-Libi, and urged Libyans to avenge his killing.

    Quilliam, whose president, Noman Benotman, once was a leader of an anti-Gaddafi militant faction known as the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, said that according to its sources, up to 20 militants had prepared for a military assault.

    Quilliam said the assault on the Benghazi Consulate took place in two waves. After the first wave, U.S. officials arranged an evacuation of the Consulate by Libyan security forces. As the evacuation was taking place, a second wave of attacks was launched against U.S. officials who had already been moved to a supposedly secure location, Quilliam said.

    The Eurasia Group, a strategic consulting firm, said that it also believed that “the attack on the consulate was an orchestrated response by an organized Salafist (ultra-orthodox Muslim) group.”

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    So essentially with the news Obama has not been holding intelligence briefings, we either have a tine ear President or a severe big hole in intelligence or both. This is a massive problem and a huge problem for Obama. He is going to get us all killed.

  2. Obama wants to forgive $1B in Egyptian debt. Clearly, he completely misjudged the character of Egypt’s govt.

    There is 2 words for this…i think you can guess them.

  3. Pres Obama wheels up from Andrews on 2-day campaign trip en route campaign rally in Las Vegas | Priorities.

    …………………….

    Whoever said continuing on with this fundraiser and not being in the WH right now needs firing. It looks like his statement earlier, cold, detached and frankly like he could not give a flying……

  4. Reposting Krauthammer who also needs to note this was a premeditated attack against U.S. soil by the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Queda. Obama will get us all killed.

  5. Explosive read this…points to massive intelligence failure and ignorinng the warning signs, this may have just got very very bad for Obama.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/09/12/report-riots-actually-about-release-of-blind-sheik/

    USA Today reports that the riot at the U.S. embassy in Cairo appears to have been planned well before the Egyptian media reported on the anti-Islam YouTube film that was blamed for sparking the protest. The protest was reportedly announced on August 30 by Gamaa Islamiyya, an Egyptian terrorist group, to call for the release of its leader, Sheikh Omar abdel Rahman — aka the blind sheik, who is serving a life sentence for the first World Trade Center bombing:

    Days of planning and online promotion by hard-line Islamist leaders helped whip up the mobs that stormed the U.S. Embassy in Egypt and launched a deadly attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya that killed an ambassador and three others. …

    The protest was planned by Salafists well before news circulated of an objectionable video ridiculing Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, said Eric Trager, an expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

    The protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo was announced Aug. 30 by [Gamaa Islamiyya], a State Department-designated terrorist group, to protest the ongoing imprisonment of its spiritual leader, Sheikh Omar abdel Rahman, who is serving a life sentence in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.

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    read on. Questions need to be asked about what the hell went on, did Obama’s campaigning just mean all else got ignored?

  6. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/12/is-this-1979/

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. — George Santayana

    I’m having the strangest sense of deja vu over the last eighteen months or so, and the attacks on two diplomatic missions in the Middle East over the last 24 hours has only intensified it. Once again we have an American government that either tacitly or actively undermined an ally in the region in favor of supposedly democratic Islamist radicals, and once again we have an American government that gets taken by surprise when the government that results either fails to protect our embassies and consulates or arguably participated in an attack on them. Once again, the response to those attacks have been more mea culpa than mighty, and once again the weakness of the response puts our other diplomatic missions at risk.

    It’s looking a lot like 1979 all over again.

  7. The latest anti-Obama ad is fine and all that. But these ads seem stale. They lack punch. They are clever but they speak to the choir that thinks this is proof of what we have known all along. But they are stale. There is no sense of urgency, no sense of “now”. The ads should be changed into what we have long suggested. “Obama is Nasty”, “Obama will get us killed.” “Obama is weak and does not defend America” “Obama snubs Israel” Get better ads guys, these ads seem weak and out of date. Hit harder.

  8. An update already:

    Update: As we write below, Big Media is out to protect Barack Obama now more than ever. An attack on American soil just as with Jimmy Carter but Big Media sees the job as “attack Mitt, protect Barack”. There now appears to be proof of our contention via an surprise audio: Press caught on open mic coordinating Egypt/Libya questions for Romney? When Big Media coordinates on Obama questions it is about how the JournoListers can protect Obama.

    C’mon Mitt, you got to strike back against Big Media and Obama as we suggested yesterday and below.

    Paul Ryan has given a good statement which is on the right path of what we suggest. We’ll put the video up as soon as it is available.

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  9. http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated

    WASHINGTON – Intelligence experts and U.S. government officials are starting to view the attack in Libya that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others in Benghazi as a coordinated attack.

    Sources, including officials at the Pentagon and the State Department, are discussing the possibility that it was a planned operation, and some say several developments seem to support the possibility.

    The incident does not appear to be a random mob scene, but rather an opportunity that militants seized, sources say. The attackers used a rocket-propelled grenade, a weapon not traditionally carried by protesters, but commonly used by terrorists.

    The attack is believed to have come in two waves. The first wave got inside of the compound, and a second wave penetrated a secure location inside the building. This development raises questions about how the attackers knew the location of that secure facility, sources say.

    On Sept. 11, al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri put out a video eulogizing Abu Yahya al-Libi, an Islamist terrorist and high-ranking al-Qaida member, who was killed in a drone attack in June. Sources have said they believe the Libyan incident might have been revenge for the death of al-Libi.

  10. Question: how can Barack and his big media fellow travelers blame this one on Bush? What will the Washington DC elite media conjure up to lay the blame where it does not belong. The facts here are simple and straight forward:

    Obama invaded Libya–not Bush

    Obama gave the Cairo speech–not Bush

    Obama failed to anticipate the fall of Mubarak–not Bush

    Obama interceded in the Israeli/Palestinian negotiations and scuttled them–not Bush

    Obama dissed the Israeli government–not Bush

    Obama has failed in his key objective, to get Iran to stop building the bomb.

    Simply put, when it comes to the middle east, Obama broke it, ergo Obama owns it.

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    Hayden: Obama’s Libya Adventure to Blame for Ambassador Death
    Wednesday, 12 Sep 2012 12:05 PM

    By Jim Meyers and John Bachman

    Violent protests in Libya that claimed the life of the U.S. ambassador were the result of President Obama’s decision to intervene in the Libyan revolt without a “deep appreciation” for what would follow, former CIA Director Michael Hayden tells Newsmax.

    Hayden, a former four-star Air Force general, was appointed CIA director by President George W. Bush in 2006 and served until 2009.

    In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV on Wednesday, Hayden discusses the events in Libya: “I’m reminded of Secretary of State Powell’s comments about Iraq going back almost a decade — the Pottery Barn theory that if you break it you own it.

    “Here’s a case where we went into Libya for reasons that seemed very powerful for some people at the time, almost all of them in Tehran, perhaps without a true or deep appreciation for what the secondary and tertiary effects of overthrowing [Libyan ruler Moammar] Gadhafi would be.

    Watch our exclusive interview. Story continues below.

    “This was always the story we saw in those cell phone videos of oppressed and oppressor, but there were other stories going on too, other narratives — East vs. West in Libya, tribal disputes in Libya, eastern Libya being home of the Islamic Libyan fighting group.

    Please Note: You can watch Gen. Hayden’s special LIGNET Briefing on the Iran Crisis and the implications of an Israeli Attack — Click Here Now

    link to sign up lignet for iran“All these subplots were always out there and once you shatter the old society, these subplots become far more powerful and now we are seeing the results of that: Loss of control, portable air missiles, weapons from Libya being used to grab the northern half of Mali away from the Malian government, which is a good friend of the U.S.”

    “The U.N. Security Council resolution on Libya was bait and switch. It was never just humanitarian assistance, it was to overthrow the regime,” added Hayden.

    “As for how that affects the Russians, think about Syria. Now you’ve got a state, a heavily armed state in Libya that is armed at the militia and tribal level. I actually said when we first intervened that we now take on a moral responsibility for the future of the Libyan state and here we are.”

    Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other members of the U.S. diplomatic mission were killed in Benghazi, the cradle of the Libyan revolution, on Wednesday in protest at a movie that depicts the prophet Muhammad.

    In addition to the protests in Libya, demonstrators in Egypt tore down an American flag and burned it. Hayden, a member of the advisory board of LIGNET.com, was asked if State Department officials in other countries, particularly the Middle East, are in greater danger.

    “I am sure that the cables have gone out to the appropriate embassies in that region saying be on your guard, increase security, strengthen your liaison with local government in order to get a warning of impending demonstrations or attack,” he responds.

    “You might even see people being told to vary their times en route to work. You might see other people being told to stay at home. You’ve got to take all appropriate precautions, although I must admit that if you were going to predict two countries in which these events were to take place I would’ve predicted Egypt and Libya as being the two that were most volatile and the two where these events would’ve been most likely.”

    Libyan military forces and police were slow to act once the protest in Benghazi developed. Asked if they may have been complicit in the demonstrations, Hayden tells Newsmax: “I really don’t know, and a wise man once told me several decades ago, never blame on malice what can easily be explained by incompetence. So we’re just going to see how the facts take us with regard to what the Libyan government did and didn’t do.”

    The protests were sparked by the YouTube trailer of a movie, “Innocence of Muslims,” which insults the Prophet Muhammad. Florida pastor Terry Jones, who had inflamed anger in the Muslim world in 2010 with plans to burn the Koran, said he had promoted the film, which was produced by an Israeli-American property developer.

    Regarding Jones, Hayden says: “Blood on his hands is a strong statement, but actions have consequences. These are reasonably predictable consequences, so I do think that someone who set this chain of events in motion bears some measure of responsibility.

    “But when you come right down to it, one of our fundamental values is freedom of speech. We have a right to say that. People have a right to say things even if those things are offensive. Frankly, that’s a real test of freedom of speech, isn’t it?”

    Asked why protests turned so violent in Libya but not in Egypt, Hayden says: “On the surface, Libya is a far more fractured society. It is all controlled by a variety of competing armed groups. It could be a case where arms in the hands of violent ill-tempered men are more numerous than they are in Egypt.”

    Please Note: You can watch Gen. Hayden’s special LIGNET Briefing on the Iran Crisis and the implications of an Israeli Attack — Click Here Now

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Hayden: Obama’s Libya Adventure to Blame for Ambassador Death
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  11. We’re looking for the video of Ryan’s remarks:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ryan-avoids-obama-criticism-in-response-to-libya-egypt-135314.html

    If you show weakness, if you show moral equivocation then foreign policy adventurism among our adversaries will increase. We do not want a world climate where our adversaries are so tempted to test us and our allies are worried about trusting us and that is unfortunately the path that we are on right now, and I’m really worried about that,” Ryan told attendees here at a town hall outside Milwaukee.

  12. Twitter reactions are scathing towards Obama.

    #Washington reporters think Romney defended America too quickly. we’ll take it.

    #I don’t want a president who sits for multiple interviews with Vanity Fair but repeatedly misses his daily intel briefings.

    #Seriously, I don’t swear often But fuck you, Barack Obama. Jetting off to a fundraiser in Vegas today?

  13. Even more frightening than the threat from radical Muslims is the threat from our own media, who have abdicated their roles as guardians of democracy, in order to fill the role of guardian of Obama. The selective and bias reporting by media weakens the ability of the citizens of this country to understand and react in their own best interest, to their environment. When those in possession of the information allow their political biases to dictate what they report and how they spin it, they potentially control the country.

    Thankfully, with enough effort, you can get unbiased information via various internet sites – or you can at least be aware of how much credence to give the sources, and collect enough data to arrive at some semblance of truth.

    The radicals would destroy us, while the Obama media excuses their actions. WTF kind of hold does Obama have on these weak minded news people and prog bloggers?

  14. Just imagine what this jerk off will be like if he gets a second term. You think what we have seen so far is bad . . . well you aint seen nothing yet.

  15. Interesting.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate

    The fallout appears to linger in the Missouri Senate race, with incumbent Democrat Claire McCaskill still holding a six-point lead over Republican challenger Todd Akin. But the race is tightening.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds McCaskill will 49% support to Akin’s 43%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate in the contest, and another four percent (4%) are undecided.

    ……………………

    Akin has climbed back 6 points up from 37% since 3 weeks ago. its still doable. McCaskill still cannot top 50% which is very interesting.

  16. freespirit
    September 12th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
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    Right on. They no it is us vs them. If they lose, their influence goes down the shitter with their messiah.

  17. People are noticing and asking questions…….

    #Maybe you didn’t notice, but there’s kind of a crisis breaking out. And His Arrogance is at a fundraiser?

    #Seriously, not one outlet thinks to question Obama Camp on why he is traveling to Vegas for Campaign events in the middle of all this?

    #Why the hell is the President off fundraising?

    #I’m disgusted, not one of the media is asking why Obama is off collecting money on the back of a murdered US Ambassador.

  18. Gov Jindal : That statement, the 1st first statement by this Administration was pathetic & reveals a lack of judgment. Very troubling.

  19. Love this comparison….

    The msm wanted the RNC to delay the convention 4 Issac, but apparently have no problem with an Obama fundraiser on today of all days

  20. “People have a right to say things even if those things are offensive. Frankly, that’s a real test of freedom of speech, isn’t it?”
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    Once again, I say no.

    I don’t know of anywhere but in the US that people think they have a right to say something offensive and the offended party just has to put up with it.

  21. Obama invaded Libya–not Bush

    Obama gave the Cairo speech–not Bush

    [….]

    Simply put, when it comes to the middle east, Obama broke it, ergo Obama owns it.

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    The ME was broken before Obama was born. We/NATO invaded Libya because Hillary (and Bill) threw rocks at Obama. Obama’s idiotic Cairo speech got a lot of nice ME kids killed for believing Obama’s promise of support. Obama can’t be trusted — but I still trust Hillary and Bill.

  22. Just imagine what this jerk off will be like if he gets a second term. You think what we have seen so far is bad . . . well you aint seen nothing yet.
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    A sociopath without restraints. What little leverage the concept of re-election gave Obama’s handlers will be gone. His petulant, oppositional and acting out behavior will reach full bloom; from a clinical perspective it will/would be interesting to watch. Rather dangerous for the country, however. I don’t think that Valerie is sleeping too well thinking about four more years of trying to keep Obama in line; she is power hungry, ruthless and corrupt but she isn’t crazy like her alleged boss.

  23. What a despicable bastard ……..

    Chris Matthews: Tragedy in Benghazi has been overshadowed by [Romney’s] desperate reach.

    I guess a statement trumps cold blooded murder of the American Ambassador.

  24. Newt Gingrich ‏: I am glad Mitt Romney defended America and free speech. It is clear President Obama is too busy appeasing radicals to defend free speech

  25. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/dnc-russian-warships-convention-image-181737864–election.html

    How in THE HELL do you (wait for it) ACCIDENTALLY post pictures like that at an AMERICAN POLITICAL PARTY’S CONVENTION?!?!?!?!? I’ve stopped blaming the DNC. I blame the people that BELIEVE the rubbish they say.

    Asshats.

    Hillary 2012

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    Er, okay. If it wasn’t an accident, then who did it, and why?

    Who profits? The GOP, embarassing Obama? Hillary 2012 supporters, embarassing Obama?

  26. rickya, last thread:

    “Is insulting equal to injurious?” – Yes, an insult is injurious by definition.

    “Are you saying that insulting speech should be censored?” – Not censored, which would be by the government; but the insulted person should have some way of righting the wrong done to him.

    “In law, injurious language is language that results in injury.” – Yes, that’s what I said just above.

    “Are you saying that if we insult Mohammad, it injures Muslims?” – It’s up to Muslims to decide that. Personally, I don’t give a damn. But they do.

    “If that is what you are saying, then you don’t actually value Freedom of Speech.” – However, I do. My point is that words are not harmless vibrations in the air. They have consequences.

    “Anyone can take offense or find any speech insulting. What is the freedom of speech protecting if not insulting speech.” – No, I, for example, feel free to say what I want as long as it does not hurt you. I do not feel free to insult you.

    “…it is clear that you don’t understand the concept of Freedom of Speech.” – What you don’t understand is that the concept of Free Speech is interpreted differently in different countries, and that the American concept of free expression is bereft of the notion of responsibility for what you say: We have a right to say anything at all; and if it hurts someone, it’s the fault of the victim for taking it wrongly. The victim just has to put up with it.

    “… for a religion that makes outrageous claims, are you saying that they should be beyond criticism?” – Criticism and debate are not injurious. I said nothing about any claims of any religion. And I am not condoning the violence in the Middle East now.

    But note one thing: The violence is not directed against Christians or Jews or Hindus or whatever, so it’s not religious; nor is it directed against people of any nationality except American. So the problem in these protesters’ minds is specifically about America. This doesn’t justify the violence in my mind or yours. But doesn’t it give you pause to think a little about what America represents in the world?

    My point was that we Americans feel that our Free Speech is beyond reproach, that everyone around the world envies us our freedoms and wants to have the same freedoms as us. But we are mistaken here. Our freedoms are not respected elsewhere in the world – not even in Europe as I was saying yesterday – and here we go beating the war drums because Muslims want redress for an insulting video.

  27. Bloody Media

    Mitt Romney’s words aren’t “incendiary”, Rocket RPG’s aimed at US Ambassadors cars and Embassies on fire are incendiary.

    They need to get a grip, the media is becoming one big laughing stock.

  28. What you don’t understand is that the concept of Free Speech is interpreted differently in different countries, and that the American concept of free expression is bereft of the notion of responsibility for what you say: [….]

    =========================

    Of course. And the US too has limits. “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, incitement to violence, disorderly conduct, slander….

  29. Uh Oh……

    Breaking : http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81134.html

    BREAKING: There were NO Marines protecting U.S. Consulate in Libya

    The consulate where the American ambassador to Libya was killed on Tuesday is an “interim facility” not protected by the contingent of Marines that safeguards embassies, POLITICO has learned.

    Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed with three other Americans in an attack on the U.S. consulate in the city of Benghazi, where Libyan rebels ousted strongman Moammar Qadhafi last year.

    Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Kendra Motz said that Marines were not posted to the consulate, unlike the embassy in the capital, Tripoli.

    A defense official told POLITICO on Wednesday that the Pentagon is sending an elite team of about 50 additional Marines, called a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, to reinforce the embassy.

    A senior administration official Wednesday called the Benghazi consulate “an interim facility,” which the State Department began using “before the fall of Qadhafi.” It was staffed Tuesday by Libyan and State Department security officers. The consulate came under fire from heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades at about 10 p.m. local time on Tuesday. By the time the attack ended several hours later, four Americans were dead and three others had been injured.

    The Benghazi consulate had “lock-and-key” security, not the same level of defenses as a formal embassy, an intelligence source told POLITICO. That means it had no bulletproof glass, reinforced doors or other features common to embassies. The intelligence source contrasted it with the American embassy in Cairo, Egypt – “a permanent facility, which is a lot easier to defend.” The Cairo embassy also was attacked Tuesday.

    American officials fear that a little-known Internet video linked with an extremist Florida pastor may have inflamed Muslim sentiments across North Africa. A second senior administration official said Wednesday that Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, the highest-ranking U.S. uniformed officer, called the pastor Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video, but the pastor was “noncommittal.”

    The Florida religious leader, Terry Jones, has tangled with the Pentagon before – former Defense Secretary Robert Gates phoned him in 2010 to ask him not to burn a Koran in an anti-Islamic demonstration. He agreed then, but later burned a copy of the Muslim holy book earlier this year.

    President Barack Obama said the United States would step up security at its diplomatic missions around the world.

    According to press reports Wednesday, the attack on Benghazi may have been launched by terrorists linked to al Qaeda, who may have sparked or otherwise taken advantage of protests over an anti-Islamic video posted online. CNN reported that the U.S. could begin using unmanned surveillance aircraft to look for terrorist training camps nearby.

    The second administration official said Wednesday that the Defense Department “was ready to respond with military measures as directed by the president.”

    ………………………………..

    So the Ambassador and his staff were sitting ducks “protected” by the libyans themselves.

  30. I await the media criticisms of Barack Obama’s hastily arranged primetime interview, in which he seeks political advantage, on this horrific day.

  31. Here is a transcript from Hillary’s statement, and an excerpt from it that is not often quoted.

    http://www.bet.com/news/politics/2012/12/transcript-hillary-clinton-s-remarks-on-the-u-s-embassy-attacks-in-libya.html
    [….]
    The mission that drew Chris and Sean and their colleagues to Libya is both noble and necessary, and we and the people of Libya honor their memory by carrying it forward. This is not easy. Today, many Americans are asking – indeed, I asked myself – how could this happen? How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction? This question reflects just how complicated and, at times, how confounding the world can be.

    But we must be clear-eyed, even in our grief. This was an attack by a small and savage group – not the people or Government of Libya. Everywhere Chris and his team went in Libya, in a country scarred by war and tyranny, they were hailed as friends and partners. And when the attack came yesterday, Libyans stood and fought to defend our post. Some were wounded. Libyans carried Chris’ body to the hospital, and they helped rescue and lead other Americans to safety. And last night, when I spoke with the President of Libya, he strongly condemned the violence and pledged every effort to protect our people and pursue those responsible.

    The friendship between our countries, borne out of shared struggle, will not be another casualty of this attack. A free and stable Libya is still in America’s interest and security, and we will not turn our back on that, nor will we rest until those responsible for these attacks are found and brought to justice. We are working closely with the Libyan authorities to move swiftly and surely.

  32. Jeswezey, the concept of “hate speech” is a fig leaf for suppression of speech. It does not matter what the country is, the concept of free speech is always under threat. To borrow from Tom Cruise, some people just can’t handle the truth and governments will always seek the right to determine what the “truth” is.

    As to your arguments there is no balance of equities in what you espouse. No one is denying Muslims the right to express outrage at what they perceive to be an outrage, if they do so. The problems are these: One, to respond to speech with physical violence is an inequitable act. Two, the Muslim state cooperation in the violence.

    The concept of “free speech” is not an isolated concept untethered to other facets of society. Governments, and those in power, always seek more power and more control. The point of “free speech” is to prevent that monopoly of power from draining the life from society. For years now we have demonstrated how the epithet “racist” has been used to suppress speech. The truth will always try to rise and there will always be attempts to suppress it as well. The filmmakers have a point of view as to the truth and some Muslims have a contrary one. Suppose the filmmakers are correct? Have you considered that?

    As you say many governments detest the American concepts of free speech, as do many peoples worldwide. But it is these same people who are attracted to American culture including the more outre precincts of that multifaceted culture. We can deplore aspects of that culture but we recognize that in the balance it is better to have free speech than the alternative.

    As to insults, as Groucho Marx once said, “we resemble that remark”. We indulge in insulting speech as much as possible. Where would we be without our bon mots about sleeveless, lantern-jawed Michelle and her lunkhead lurch of a husband?

  33. Where would we be without our bon mots about sleeveless, lantern-jawed Michelle and her lunkhead lurch of a husband?

    =====================

    More influential, perhaps.

  34. admin, your remarks are appreciable but the fact that “we indulge in insulting speech as much as possible” underscores the very fact that we live in a society where such speech is so commonplace that it becomes necessary to survive – that is, nobody listens to you unless you have the best bons mots in town.

    Beyond a certain point, though, this freedom to insult handicaps our reasoning abilities: I remember that you forbade “personal attacks” among bloggers on your site, and that was a big relief for most of us. What you were doing was applying censorship in the form of “moderation.”

    I still tend to think that I am right about our freedoms unfettered with responsibility.

    As for “governments will always seek the right to determine what the ‘truth’ is,” I think that is certainly worth discussing and true, but the tie-in with unfettered free speech is a bit lengthy to get into.

  35. Jes,

    What you don’t understand is that the concept of Free Speech is interpreted differently in different countries

    ================

    Just a thought (haven’t received my spin points for the day, so I’m making this up by myself ;-), but I wonder if the US gets the same effect by a variety of laws based on different injuries the speeches are likely to cause.

    Another place to look for differences, is what subjects are the equivalent of “Fire!” in different cultures?

  36. jeswezey
    September 12th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Oh PUL-LEASE.

    Ever hear the old saying one man’s trash is another man’s treasure?

    Same with insults. You can NOT legislate universally what is or is not insulting to everyone on the planet. It is impossible.

    And as far as being sensitive to any culture that punishes so-called “insults” with a hacking off of a foot here, a hand there, a head there, I say BS. Why would any sane person even attempt to discuss what does and does not constitute an insult with such a culture? In fact, to do so, in said culture, would probably result in the questioner losing a body part or two.

    In the U.S. those who are insulted to the point of materially conclusive evidence have recourse to the slander and libel laws. But you have to PROVE actual damages.

    What you are saying is pure unadulterated lunacy.

    Ever hear of the book Fahrenheit 451, the old Ray Bradbury classic? I suggest you read it. Maybe that will clue you in to the American view of free speech.

  37. “I wonder if the US gets the same effect by a variety of laws based on different injuries the speeches are likely to cause”
    =====

    We’re talking about personal injury here, to which our only response is slander. The video of Shabazz screaming epithets and threats on the streets of Philadelphia sticks in my mind. Also in my mind was the visible reactions of the people he was screaming at: one or two stood there trying to reason with him or contradict him, most of the people just walked on by. In France, he would have been put in the cooler for a month, not just for disturbing the peace but because of the content of his remarks (that is, if one of the bystanders complained – the police would not have judged his remarks).

  38. Bring it on you Shariah loving punk. The US isn’t governed by Shariah law, unlike Egypt.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4280756,00.html

    “Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi asked the Egyptian embassy in Washington to take legal action in the United States against makers of a film attacking the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, the official state news agency said on Wednesday.

    Morsi had requested the mission take “all legal measures”, the MENA agency said, without giving further details on what that might involve.”

  39. And gee where is CAIR in all this? Are they condemning attacks on Americans, or are too busy calling everyone a racist?

  40. What an idiotic woman. Yes, we should all just shut up anytime anyone is offended. And funnily, Christians don’t behave like this, Buddhists don’t, Jews don’t, Hindus don’t, seems only the extremist people in one religion behave like this.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/christiane-amanpour-implies-%e2%80%98extremists-in-this-country%e2%80%99-inspired-murderous-riots-in-n-africa/

    ““There is obviously freedom of expression in this country. There is also a 100-year-old law by the United States Supreme Court which says you can’t cry fire in a crowded theater. So, now one has to figure out the extremists in this country and the extremists out there who are using this and whipping up hatred. What’s happening here is deliberate provocation at a transitional time.””

  41. LOL. Gotta love Gov Palin.

    https://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin/posts/10151169787338588

    “It’s about time our president stood up for America and condemned these Islamic extremists. I realize there must be a lot on his mind these days – what with our economy’s abysmal jobless numbers and Moody’s new warning about yet another downgrade to our nation’s credit rating due to the current administration’s failure to come up with a credible deficit reduction plan. And, of course, he has a busy schedule – with all those rounds of golf, softball interviews with the “Pimp with the Limp,” and fundraising dinners with his corporate cronies. But our nation’s security should be of utmost importance to our Commander-in-chief. America can’t afford any more “leading from behind” in such a dangerous world. We already know that President Obama likes to “speak softly” to our enemies. If he doesn’t have a “big stick” to carry, maybe it’s time for him to grow one.

  42. SO, the Obot MSM is attacking Romney for attacking OTurd because of this attack, saying Romney shouldn’t be attacking OTurd due to the severity of this attack, yet they won’t attack Oturd for attending 3 fundraisers today itself.

    The American MSM is nothing but an extension of the OTurd campaign.

  43. Peggy Noonan. Please just shut up, your time of significance is over, it was over in 2008 over your slobbering of OTurd. Now you pop up again because you actually think independent minded people care what YOU think.


  44. Maybe Ms. Peggy Noonan thinks because she speaks in hushed tones her words have more significance. For me at least, if they were stupid enough to be fooled 4 years ago by the fraud in the WH, their words now have no significance or meaning now.

  45. Fox was repoting this evening that the filmaker does not seem to exist….Americans, Israelis have no record of this person and the film apparently doesn’t exist either….at least no evidence at this point.

    ALl part of elaborate planning??? New WHI on Ulsterman has shocking comments that O made to Bibi.

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/12/wall-street-insider-sadly-every-concern-about-this-man-calling-himself-obama-has-proven-true-and-far-worse-is-yet-to-come/

  46. It appears the Obot MSM is more interested in attacking Romney than actually reporting the horror of what happened to one of our ambassadors and his collegues.

  47. tim
    September 12th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    And where is Oturd right now?? campaigning in Vegas
    ____________________________________________________________

    He had to go to Vegas to use this for his campaign. He could not do it in Washington.

  48. neetabug
    September 12th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    Imagine if this was Bush, 24/7, “how can Bush go on campaign trips and fundraisers after this attack on american consolutes?”

    but now… *crickets*

    I have been watching CNN, MSDNC, etc… NOT ONE DAMN REPORT on OTURD’s CAMPAIGNING today, its all about attacking Romney. Heck they aren’t even covering the actual attack!!

    the entire American MSM is just part of the Oturd campaign, absolutely stunning.

  49. so what happens if Oturd gets re-elected? The American MSM is essentially a part of the OTurd administration, they proved this in 2008, they have proved it since then, and it continues on today.
    And this will only continue on. No holding to account anyone in power.

    Just like how it was in the Soviet Union, the American press will be just an arm of the government.

  50. Warning on Monday.

    Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.

    According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the “Blind Sheikh”], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”

  51. jbstonesfan
    September 12th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
    Jews should not vote for Obama:
    ————————————

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/04/why-obama-has-abandoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/?intcmp=obnetwork

    ————-
    Unfortunately, they will not abandon Obama ever. He touches too many of their hot buttons. And that is a bitter thing. Even if Obama’s malfeasance and misfeasance caused the destruction of Israel, they would still make excuses for him–and vote for him. That assumption must be built into any winning strategy.

    ————

    I too have become disillusioned.
    By Matt Patterson (columnist – Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)

    Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world’s largest economy, direct the world’s most powerful military, execute the world’s most consequential job?
    Imagine a future historian examining Obama’s pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a “community organizer”; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote “present”); and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions.

    He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama’s “spiritual mentor”; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama’s colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?

    Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal: To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberal Dom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass. Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass – held to a lower standard – because of the color of his skin.

    Podhoretz continues: And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) “non-threatening,” all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?

    Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon – affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.

    Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don’t care if these minority students fail; liberals aren’t around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self-esteem resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist. Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin – that’s affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn’t racism, then nothing is.

    And that is what America did to Obama. True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois; he was told he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary.
    What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time

    Obama speaks? In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama’s oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people – conservatives included – ought now to be deeply embarrassed.

    The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of clichés, and that’s when he has his Teleprompters in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth – it’s all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.

    And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited this mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?

    In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office.

  52. By Matt Patterson (columnist – Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)

    Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages.
    ———————
    You do not need to go back to the middle ages to find the kind of mass hysteria that gripped the nation in 2008, and led to the election of the vile one. This same hysteria was in evidence in the dying days of the Weimar Republic and led to the rise of Hitler.

  53. Update II: In the United States of America, we don’t apologize for our freedom of speech. Ever. For some however we are not only supposed to surrender our freedom of speech but also to surrender our voices and parrot their ideology. Two words come to mind in response to Egypt’s Islamist president telling embassy to take legal action in U.S. against makers of Mohammed film.

    Here in America we won’t put on the Iron Veil willingly. Mitt Romney must provide a coherent narrative to Americans that starts off with the Obama snub of Netanyahu and the Cairo speech of 2009.

    This is much better from the Romney camp:



    C’mon Romney fight Big Media, that’s your real enemy. You won’t beat Obama without beating on Big Media.

    ——————————————————————————————

  54. The video of Shabazz screaming epithets and threats on the streets of Philadelphia sticks in my mind. Also in my mind was the visible reactions of the people he was screaming at: one or two stood there trying to reason with him or contradict him, most of the people just walked on by. In France, he would have been put in the cooler for a month, not just for disturbing the peace but because of the content of his remarks (that is, if one of the bystanders complained – the police would not have judged his remarks).

    =================

    Cf the ‘beer summit’ guy, who was hauled off to the cooler (for a short time) to stop him standing on his own back porch inflaming his neighbors against the policeman.

  55. Krauthammer essentially restates what we have written since this began on 9/11/12:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/12/krauthammer_on_attack_in_libya_fruits_of_appeasement_and_apology.html

    “The substance of what Romney said at the time was absolutely right,” syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said about the situation in Libya and Egypt on “Special Report” tonight. “The problem is he needs to make a larger argument. There is a collapse of Obama’s policy. It began with the Cairo speech, it began with the apologies to Iran. It began with regret for the Iraq war, it began with the so-called outreach and it completely collapsed. It has gotten nowhere on Iran. These are the fruits of appeasement and apology.”

    He should make a general speech, not attack here and there but a speech explaining and connecting all the dots. That’s what a candidate ought to do and to leave attacks to surrogates and to Ryan,” Krauthammer said.

    Video at link.

  56. Wow. I didn’t even see this coming. He’s now throwing embassy staffers under the bus. How much of this farce will the american people stand?? Does this moron get that an administration includes all aspects of the govt??

    Notice how he throws these Cairo embassy staffers under the bus to save his own behind.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/12/Obama-Throws-Embassy-Staffers-Under-The-Bus

    “In an effort to cool the situation down, it didn’t come from me, it didn’t come from Secretary Clinton. It came from people on the ground who are potentially in danger,” Obama said. “And my tendency is to cut folks a little bit of slack when they’re in that circumstance, rather than try to question their judgment from the comfort of a campaign office.” “

  57. Thanks Tim. We could not find a youtube embed code but you did. Krauthammer is laying out the same strategy we are (which merits repeated viewings of the video):

  58. ” tim
    September 12th, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    OMG. I am speechless.”
    *******
    Followed the links; that story is from July 8. I wonder if Obama will keep that meeting since he stiffed Israel, especially if things really go to shit in Egypt this weekend. If he does meet with the Muslim Brotherhood, then the Florida campaign ads write themselves.

  59. Any one else starting to think maybe the Mayans are right about 2012?

    I am not a fan of Michelle Malkin but I have to give her props for what she said. It is on YOU, Mr. President, your “30 pieces of silver” media be damned.

    And I have to confess, I am deeply disappointed with both Clintons at this point. Either start defending the country instead of this fraud of a POTUS or find all your good go down the drain. Don’t think the media won’t turn on either of you if it will protect their great “NONE”.

    I think that is what he should be called. The Great None.

  60. “You can NOT legislate universally what is or is not insulting to everyone on the planet. It is impossible.”

    [[ Luckily no one has suggested that. ]]

    “And as far as being sensitive to any culture that punishes so-called “insults” with a hacking off of a foot here, a hand there, a head there, I say BS. Why would any sane person even attempt to discuss what does and does not constitute an insult with such a culture?”

    [[ Perhaps sane people care about the feet, hands, and heads of innocent parties.

    [[ As for discussion, such cultures make it clear what does insult them, long before they resort to violence. ]]

  61. So it seems clear that the thing that insults Muslims is infidels or anyone hwo is not a belive?? You are right, they have made this very clear before their attacks.

  62. I hope this is’nt true but i don’t believe we are getting full story about all of this from the US or Libyan Govt, i think they are trying to hide details from us

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/sep/13/picket-report-murdered-us-ambassador-libya-reporte/

    Murdered U.S. Ambassador to Libya reportedly raped

    A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:

    “Libya – USA Ambassador in Bengazi sodomized and killed by his own al-Qaeda puppets.”

    …………………………

    Very very distressing.

  63. “Libya – USA Ambassador in Bengazi [molested] by his own al-Qaeda puppets.”

    ====================

    Well, the latter half of the sentence should cast some doubt on the first half, and on the credibility of the sources.

  64. If we are being lied and there are conflicting stories coming out here, it will spell huge trouble for Obama.

    President Obama claims Libyan security forces fought beside Americans against attackers on Tuesday, but a Libyan official says they gave up consulate personnel to the Islamists who murdered them. Libya’s Deputy Interior Minister Wanis al-Sharif says the consulate’s security forces moved Ambassador Christopher Stevens and other personnel to a second, safer building once the attacks began. But, he continues, the security forces told the attackers which building Stevens was hiding in, effectively handing him over.

    Now we also hear that claims were made that ambassador was take to “a hospital”, yeah somehow not believing that because those pics do not give an impression that guy was being taken to hospital and now allegations of rape

    Someones lying, who’s covering up, there needs to be a huge investigation on this.

    By the way the optics of Obama doing a eulogy at a campaign event with paid mourners is just sickening and i hope every American feels that, we have entered the twilight zone. I feel disgusted and loathe for Obama more than i ever did after that little display.

  65. TDO, you seriously are being an absolute dick. You really like to create a great big stink when you are here, its like wading through lakes shit when you post and after all the events of yesterday and last night you still act like a tool on steroids.

  66. Michelle Malkin laid it out there bare, thats what we need, we need to flash this anger about what has happened.

    If this crap does not make americans blood boil, nothing will, its just ridiculous what Obama is getting away with and not one…not one of the media has called the bullshit on this President.

    Every word she said was correct.

  67. Wow….

    The Day The Roof Fell In

    Sometimes trouble blows up out of a clear blue sky. That’s what happened to the White House yesterday.

    Coming out of the Democratic Convention, despite an uninspiring speech, President Obama had a united party and a comfortable bounce. While the economy was no great shakes, the President’s stewardship of foreign affairs helped give his administration an air of competence and professionalism. At a time when war-weary and terror-wary Americans, buffeted by storms at home and upheavals abroad, want nothing more than a quiet life, “no drama” Obama was ready to campaign as a safe and experienced steward of the national interest against a gaffe-prone challenger.

    But that was before 9/11/12, the day the roof fell in. The Chicago teacher strike raised doubts about the President’s domestic leadership, the publication of Bob Woodward’s new book raised questions about his economic management and political skills, and 11 years to the day after the 9/11 attack, radical America-hating Islamists stormed the U.S. embassies in Cairo and Benghazi, assassinated the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others even as U.S. and Israeli relations sank to another low point.

    “No drama” Obama is in it now: his ex-chief of staff is locked in a high profile cage fight with one of the most important unions and donors in the Democratic stable in his home town; his humanitarian intervention in Libya has created yet another bloody Middle East imbroglio for the United States; his efforts to reconcile the U.S. and moderate Islamism — in part by distancing the U.S. from Israel — have angered Israel without reducing Islamist bitterness against the United States.

    And in the middle of all this, a misguided U.S. embassy employee in Egypt issued a groveling “apology tweet” condemning a privately made film whose unflattering portrayal of the Prophet of Islam was stoking mob violence. Even as pictures of the U.S. flag being torn down at the Cairo embassy flashed across the world, Secretary Clinton was disavowing the ill-conceived tweet — and critics were jumping on the incident as a sign of confusion and appeasement in the administration’s approach to Middle East radicalism.

    -snip-

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/09/12/the-day-the-roof-fell-in/

  68. Obama is basically Neville Chamberlain waving the white flag to Hitler and appeasing……appeasing never works, history ought to tell you that. You want to control the situation then you really must control it hard.

    One thing i have learned living in middle eastern countries is they don’t know how to live under democracy, its just not in their nature to do so. Its incompatible to their mindset.

  69. By the way, after reading an awful lot of blogs and comments…the media has this way wrong, the public is going to back Mitt Romney on this, this is a losing strategy the msm is laying down. This Election could shift very fast after these events.

    Fact of the matter is, after the recent events and Obama’s interference in Egypt, Libya, dead ambassadors, dead americans, another 9/11 attack on the embassies, voters will rightly begin to think mixed with the economy that Romney could do no worse than what Obama has wrought on us all and there lies the devil. If Americans see that Obama cannot protect us, that he is appeasing the aggressors then he will fail and lose re-election in a huge huge way.

    I don’t see any dodgy statement, all i see is a Dead brutally murdered US ambassador and his dead staff and its all down to the foreign policy of his administration.

  70. My husband has been reading His44 over my shoulder for the past few months and he keeps saying to me “In case you haven’t figured it out yet TDO is an Obama troll.” I happen to agree with him and when I’m scrolling down reading the comments and her name is coming up I just fly right by skipping anything she has to say. Her comments have no value except to stir up crap and I refuse to raise my blood pressure over her meaningless claptrap.

    That’s also why, for the most part, I read admin’s article and that’s about it. I’ve left this blog and rarely post here anymore because I feel I just don’t need TDO’s crap sandwiches

  71. I don’t see any dodgy statement, all i see is a Dead brutally murdered US ambassador and his dead staff and its all down to the foreign policy of his administration.

    ======================

    The dodgy quote from your sources was:

    “Libya – USA Ambassador in Bengazi [molested and killed] by his own al-Qaeda puppets.”

    The dodgy claim is that the Ambassador had “al-Qaeda puppets”.

  72. TDO you are a disgrace with all you apologist behavior, you are no better than Obama and his cohorts who get people killed so please do us all a favour and foxtrot oscar and go play on the other sites you go peddle and disrupt also.

    And i was talking about Romney’s statement but you just used that to push one of your Obama pushbacks like you always do.

  73. 11 years to the day after the 9/11 attack, radical America-hating Islamists stormed the U.S. embassies in Cairo and Benghazi, assassinated the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others even as U.S. and Israeli relations sank to another low point.
    ——————
    This Election could shift very fast after these events.

    ========================

    It shifted fast after the economic panic of 2008, away from the good guys (McPalin) to the bad guy (Obama). There were conspiracy theories that bad guys had engineered the panic for that purpose.

    If I liked conspiracy theories, I’d say the current events fitted that same pattern. Cui bono? Who benefits? Allies of Hillary (the Ambassador et al) are killed, Hillary’s policies are being blamed by the GOP, and the whole 9/11 flag waving thing is on again, all on a Sept 11. Maybe the GOP is just capitalizing on it, as Bush did in 2001.

    But as Hillary said, the Libyan authorities are investigating, and maybe she will soon get to the bottom of this and let us know which Arab faction really did this, and why.

  74. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81140.html?hp=l3

    When a U.S. Embassy gets stormed by protesters overseas, it’s usually a matter of public concern. It might occasion headlines and commentary. Even debate between presidential candidates.

    Unless one of the candidates is President Barack Obama and the other is Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Then, everything changes.

    In the immediate aftermath of the deadly attacks on U.S. diplomatic installations in Egypt and Libya, the political debate fastened on the propriety of Romney criticizing the administration for its initial response. You know — important stuff.

    Forget the dead body of our ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, who had been instrumental in aiding the rebellion. Forget the desecration of the embassy’s flag in Cairo. Forget the question of what we’re going to do to find the perpetrators or respond to two governments unable or unwilling to fulfill their most basic international responsibilities.

    The reports from earlier this week about how Obama would use foreign policy as cudgel against Romney had barely faded when the media pack turned around and declared politics must stop at the water’s edge, thank you very much.

  75. Here we go again…

    AFP: Yemeni protesters storm U.S. embassy in Sana’a as protests continue in the Middle East

  76. Information, please. Just what was the timing here?

    From elsewhere:
    When Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s team got wind of the Cairo announcement, while the Bengazi attacks were still going on, they huddled and then the candidate issued a press briefing condemning the Obama administration for being apologetic to the Muslim world. “I’m outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

  77. From pumapac via admin: “In the United States of America, we don’t apologize for our freedom of speech. Ever.”
    =====

    True.

    However, instead of getting into fighting mode whenever our freedom of speech is challenged elsewhere in the world, why don’t we take a good hard look at it? Because we may find something (gasp!) lacking?

  78. Matt Patterson article: “… it’s all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.”
    =====

    Quite true, although Marxism did serve at least as inspiration for a few decades until Keynes came along and we got on with the real world. Now, even Keynes is passé, but Obama went Keynesian with his QE programs, the third of which is now coming up.

    The reason for this reliance on past principles and theories is that Obama has no experience with the real world, with the possible exception of his time as attorney before he met Rezko, who greased his rails from then on up to his presidential run. So Patterson puts his finger on the basic problem by saying, “The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?”

    We (or rather I) have been talking about responsibility in recent days – namely, the responsibility that should apply to our free speech. But there is an even more important principle of responsible free press, or media.

    Like all of us, the press has adopted irresponsible speech as a fundamental American principle and applies this principle with vigor. As long as they follow some basic rules of journalism, such as checking their sources occasionally, journalists feel free to write or say anything they please and, more importantly still, not to write about anything that displeases them.

    They adopt a cause and are subservient only to that cause, the truth be damned. Objectivity has no place in their discourse, nor does the truth. We at this site are all keenly aware of this; my sermonizing over the last day means to point out that we too are guilty of this when we champion irresponsible speech.

    Yesterday’s question by rickya, if I “thought that insulting Mohammed insulted Muslims”, reminded me of the classical school playground scene where Kid A insults Kid B’s mother and Kid B hauls off and punches Kid A in the face. When the teacher breaks up the ensuing fight, he would do well to tell Kid A that words have consequences and that Kid A should not have insulted Kid B’s mom in the first place.

    Not many teachers will do that, but will rather insist on “who started the fight”, meaning who threw the first punch, in which case it will be Kid B who gets 50 lines to write. It is the victim who gets penalized because he took the crucial step from verbal violence, which is OK, to physical violence, which is not OK.

    By the time A and B reach adulthood in America, they will thus be trained to ignore injurious language and avoid violence; and we then get the screenplay where Muslims in foreign countries get violent and do not respect our natural American birthright to say whatever the hell we please and punish our victims coming or going.

  79. From politico via admin: “…Forget the desecration of the embassy’s flag in Cairo…..”
    ======

    If I remember correctly, there were many anti-war demonstrations during the Vietnam war in which the protestors burned the American flag, on US soil. As outrageous as this was to many of us, it was defended in court on the basis of free speech.

    I think a law has been passed since then, banning this practice. So this is one instance in which we have placed bounds on outrageous free speech in our own country.

    That law does not apply, though, in Egypt. So the mob in Cairo was exercising its own right of free speech, by our own definition of free speech.

  80. turndownobama: “But as Hillary said, the Libyan authorities are investigating, and maybe she will soon get to the bottom of this and let us know which Arab faction really did this, and why.”

    moononpluto: “TDO you are a disgrace with all you apologist behavior, you are no better than Obama and his cohorts who get people killed….”
    =====

    Yes, turndown, you should realize that, Hillary and her efforts be damned, it is you, Obama and his cohorts that have caused all our problems. What we want is war with Libya so we can do what we please and support our troops.

  81. One factor distorting the discussion is that “Obama shouldn’t have called Bill a racist” gets taken to mean “There oughtta be a law!”

  82. It is odd that people who get very upset about the flag and flag pins and a hand over a heart, or an anniversary — consider insulting a religious holy figure to be fair game.

  83. moononpluto: “TDO, you seriously are being an absolute dick. You really like to create a great big stink when you are here, its like wading through lakes shit when you post and after all the events of yesterday and last night you still act like a tool on steroids”
    ====

    Fortunately, we no longer engage in personal attacks on this site so the above comment must be legit. So I would just like to add, tdo, that not only are you seriously an absolute dick, but unseriously too.

  84. It’ll be fun watching the media explain how Obama politiciking in Vegas while the Yemen embassy was stormed is Romney’s fault.

    and how bad must the violence at our embassies have to get before it becomes appropriate for President Obama to suspend his campaign and actually work?

  85. “how bad must the violence at our embassies have to get before it becomes appropriate for President Obama to suspend his campaign and actually work?”

    The entire MSM is part of the Oturd campaign, there nothing bad as far as they’re concerned. Everything is Romney’s fault or Bush’s fault or Congress’s fault, their Lord Messiah is above it all.
    There is no real American press anymore in this country, its just an extension of the OTurd Administration and campaign.
    And at this point lump Bill clinton into this mess, he could have done what artur davis did, but no he didn’t, the only reason the Obot MSM isn’t going after Bill and Hillary like they did in 2008 if because they are on OTurd’s side, and anyone on Oturd’s side is not on America’s side.

  86. Maybe Barry can go give another speech in Cairo like he did in 2009, inviting the Muslim Brotherhood, after Mubarak pleaded and warned not to do so.

  87. Consulate in Berlin evacuated..after stafff fall ill after someone handed in visa papers and contained white powder.

  88. “The U.S. President, Barack Obama, has concealed the true leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and these days it is showing no shame with its undue pressure on the junta to leave it that way to the Muslim Brotherhood.” To speak thus is a liberal parties close to the Egyptian activist who organized the first demonstrations in Egypt believe that they can transform their country into a democracy.

    http://www.rightsmonitoring.org/2012/06/egypt-barack-obama-true-leader-muslim-brotherhood/

  89. New Fox poll out, conducted by a third party, and STILL using registered voters. 48/43 Oturd

    “1,224 registered voters (RV).
    Results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted”
    They sample likely voters, yet don’t use it in their results.

    32 pages long, its the most convoluted nonsense, no indications of polling samples, they use likely voters in one polling sample, registered in another, and the results of the registered sample is what they use and ignore the likely voted sample.

    What a load of nonsense. Completely convoluted.

  90. It would be nice if Fox could be a little more supportive of Romney to counter all the effusive praise being heaped on O from the rest of the media…..you know.. make this a fairer fight….
    I think there is alot of praise that could be fairly be given to Romney but mostly they are critical.

    I think he appeared presidential when he spoke yesterday…..looked and acted alot more presidential than the joker.

  91. Jeswezey you are greatly misinformed and spewing misinformation at an exponential rate. Flag burning is protected activity in the United States so you do not know what you are talking about in this sphere (see U.S. v. Eichman). Flag burning has been greatly curtailed, if not eliminated because citizens who were outraged about the flag burning expressed their own free speech rights to condemn such acts. Now those who burn the American flag in the United States are condemned by the majority and such an act is viewed as detrimental to whatever “cause” is the excuse for burning the flag. So you see, it was free speech that countered the vile free speech that is still legal and protected activity.

    Further nonsense from you is that rubbish about the mob in Egypt “exercising its own right of free speech”. In our comment to you yesterday you replied with some cute remarks but did not address the central point we made which is a balance of equities. You seem determined to dodge that massive hole in your logic all in pursuit of your determined efforts to attack American values of free speech.

    Whatever justifications you concoct to justify what happened in Egypt are for naught. Once rational people in a rational debate look at the facts of what happened the balance of equities tilt against what happened in Egypt on September 11. Muslims can be outraged all they want at some video attacking their faith but they have zero claim of equitable relief in invading another country and burning its property.

    We certainly do not advocate dropping several nuclear bombs on Egypt for the invasion of American soil – it simply would be inequitable. Once you open the door the way you have there is no assurance of what comes through.

  92. Re: polls. We wrote we would start considering polls starting today, Wednesday, as worthy of consideration because they would be past the “rock in the lake” distortions of the conventions. Today is Wednesday so from now on polls should reflect the actual sentiment of the voters. We still warn against paying attention to online polls and other garbage and of course by now only likely voter polls with appropriate samples should be taken seriously.

    That said, just because polls show Obama winning they should not be discarded as “lies” or attempts to damage Romney. The bottom line is this race right now is probably really close. A slight breeze will tilt the winning numbers to the opposing side. We’re not happy about any of this. We had proposed a scenario whereby Romney could have blown up the electoral map and won big, but he preferred to go with someone else and a different electoral scenario. We hope Romney is proven right and we are dreadfully wrong, but…

    In either case, the polls that will matter now are the state polls in the swing states (and yes we start with all important FLORIDA and then Ohio). The national polls will make people feel good and they will provide bragging rights and maybe even an indication of which way the swing states will swing. But for now we have a tight race even though we think this should have been a much easier bigger margin race for Romney.

    For those that need a boost, Rasmussen has Romney ahead of Obama today. 47-46.

  93. Interestingly from Rasmussen….Romney is now supported by 18% of white Democrats.

    That would be very interesting if born out. It really digs into Obama’s base.

    The swing states is where it lies until a point if Romney pushes right up against Obama and then other states start falling into swing status but we cross that bridge if it comes to it. With leaners Romney is 1% of that 50% mark, if he can push past that, it will be meltdown for Obama.

  94. Yesterday I saw a national map which shows NM as a swing state. It was not in the recent past. It shows a shift at least in this state, if the polling is significant. I believe very little of polling lately.

  95. NewMexicoFan, the polling in New Mexico has been interesting. This was presumed to be a solid Obama state although we thought there was a shot at it under different circumstances which we have outlined ad nauseum.

    The problem for Obama in New Mexico is Gary Johnson. The former governor has been polling at high single digits and at least once in double digits. If former Governor Johnson does well in New Mexico most of his votes come from Obama and this helps Romney.

    Unfortunately, as the election draws near third parties usually fade away. If this happens to Johnson then Obama will win New Mexico. If not, Romney has a remote chance.

  96. Why isn’t Romney saying, from Afghanistan, to Iran, to Yemen, to Egypt, to Munich, THIS is where Obama’s trail of apology and weakness inevitably leads. The failure here is not at the tactical level, it is at the strategic level. It has turned a nation with the finest military in the world into a paper tiger. When the deterrent effect is gone, because of a collapse in leadership, civilization is lost and the forces of brute thuggery regain their ancient and evil primacy. And that is entirely the fault of one man, because he occupies the position of president, even though he spends most of his time on the campaign trail. As Krauthammer has said and I will merely repeat–the Obama Doctrine, which was sired in the east coast centers of academia and misunderstands human nature, is collapsing before our eyes in the middle east. The law of megapolitics is that the suppression of violence requires greater violence. When the police are issued bb guns and the drug gangs have AK 47s then the end game is inevitable. The same result obtains when you have a man who presumes to be president, who is a coward, a weakling and an apologist. Neville Chamberlain move over. You have got company.

  97. The reports from earlier this week about how Obama would use foreign policy as cudgel against Romney had barely faded when the media pack turned around and declared politics must stop at the water’s edge, thank you very much.
    ——————–
    Politics never ever stops at the waters edge when you have a deeply divided electorate. During the civil war, McClellan actively campaigned against Lincoln in the 1865 election. When the policies of an administration put the safety and security of the nation in jeopardy, it is the solemn duty of the opposing party to speak out. It is outrageous for big media to suggest otherwise. If you consider the entire record of their behavior, it becomes obvious that big media is Stalinist. Interestingly, Camille Paglia ascribed that label to Steinem and her ilk because Steinum was and is a socialist, and tries to suppress dissenting opinion. In other words, the reaction of big media and dictated through the White House press office, staffed with ex members of big media is Stalinist. And Stalinism is, by definition, deeply and irretrievaly un-American.

  98. Yes, Admin, Ex Gov Gary Johnson is a factor in NM recently taking 7% of the poll. You are right also that he pulls from O, vs R. He was a Republican Gov who legalized medical marijana (wish I could spell that right). Many liberals like him, and I know several NMs who will vote for him. Time will tell if that will fade.

  99. We’re not happy about any of this. We had proposed a scenario whereby Romney could have blown up the electoral map and won big, but he preferred to go with someone else and a different electoral scenario. We hope Romney is proven right and we are dreadfully wrong, but…
    ======================

    Agreed. I hope to hell I am wrong, but when a Fox News poll give O a plus 5 or 6, there are reasons to be concerned. Also, has anyone else noticed O’Riley, since O looked like he would be elected in 2008 , has really been more supportive than objective of O? I assumed he wanted access, which he has gotten, but I listened to him last nighnt for the first time in a while, and he was a little skeptical of Romney’s statements re the embassy.

  100. admin:

    Thanks for the clarification about flag burning, I was running on memory without doing any research. So it is legal. But the fact that the flag can be burned legally in the US certainly does not mean it is any more reprehensible in Egypt. By burning the American flag, the Egyptians were indeed exercising the right of free speech as we ourselves define it. So we can, as the article you quoted said, “forget about the flag burning in Cairo.”

    I’m not surprised that you characterize my remarks as “cute” and “dodging” – they were my last contribution of the day because it was very late here and I was extremely tired.

    You accuse me of making “determined efforts to attack American values of free speech” and I suppose there is some truth to that. But it is in fact your accusation itself that I am attacking: Americans generally don’t like to have their values criticized, that’s a no-no. Any criticism of anything American is akin to treason. I’ve been told I’m not American or that I should give up my citizenship. I’ve had to live with that since childhood: I’ve always been critical of my cultural surroundings, but it’s only in the United States that I get in trouble for it.

    I said repeatedly that I am not justifying the violence in Egypt, Libya or elsewhere, only trying to find some rationale behind it. It seems the raging mobs are protesting a lot of things about US policy and actions, support of Israel and so forth, and I latched onto only one rationale, which was the disgusting video. That led to my discussion of freedom of expression as valued in the US and abroad. I stick to everything I said in regard to irresponsible free speech. Neither you nor any blogger has shown me anything but further proof of my ideas.

    I’m sorry I did not do justice to your central point of “balance of equities” but the fact is that I was too tired to understand what you meant.

    Now, when you do not advocate nuking Egypt because that would be inequitable, I begin to see what you’re driving at with “balance of equities” – a “punishment to fit the crime”. Nuking Egypt would not be a due measure of punishment for invading US property and harming Americans.

    So I guess what you’re saying is that the outraged Egyptians should have found some other avenue of redress for their grievance. Would you rather some Muslim moviemaker made a disgusting video of Moses? Or that the mobs sat peacefully outside the US embassy with cuss words on signs, handing out tea and bananas? Or write letters to the moviemaker and TV moguls? What sort of reaction would be equitable in your eyes?

    As I wrote in a previous post, the situation closely resembles that of Kid A in the playground who insults the mother of Kid B, and Kid B wallops Kid A in the face. There is some justice, or vengeance or catharsis, in Kid B’s action; but is it to your liking? Is it equitable? If you disapprove of Kid B’s right hook, what other action would you recommend? “Sticks and stones will break my bones,” but words can hurt me even worse.

  101. I have enough to deal with in my personal life so using the scowl button to pass over TDO, the eternal pessimist and jeswezey right now is pretty darn easy.

    A plate full of shit is all I can handle, and any more is just too much.

  102. For what it’s worth:

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 46% of the vote. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

    This is the first time in a week that Romney has held even a single-point advantage.

  103. Did anyone see on Fox last night, i forget what show. Rasmussen was on he predicted Romney would win.

    I sure hope so. I am not going to get excited just yet

  104. neetabug
    September 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Did anyone see on Fox last night, i forget what show. Rasmussen was on he predicted Romney would win.

    I sure hope so. I am not going to get excited just yet
    ————————–
    Good. That may not be the full solution, but it will stop the bleeding and avert civil war in this country. If Obama cheats his way to victory, I am afraid that is where we are heading. In that case, my gut tells me he will not serve out a full second term, but it will not matter. By then irreversible damage will have been done by him and his big media cohorts, to this nation, and to the world. In some respects this is Custers last stand for big media and the washington dc interests who are determined to strip us of our liberty, destroy our net worth and cede all power and money to the east coast establishment. With a flat gdp and still rising unemployment that is a formula for chaos and rapid decline. If Obama wins, it cannot be otherwise.

  105. Shadowfax…the interesting part is the leaners bit in the Rasmussen and the details, clearly pointing to a seachange in there.

  106. Would you rather some Muslim moviemaker made a disgusting video of Moses? Or that the mobs sat peacefully outside the US embassy with cuss words on signs, handing out tea and bananas?
    ———————
    You may not have been in the country at the time, a left wing artiste– worshiped at the time by big media and the rest of the limousine liberal cartel, concocted a Christ figure immersed in a bottle of urine and called it art. It was featured at one of the New York museums. In other words, you do not have to invent a hypothetical. The scenario already exists. And there were no death threats. And now one suggested that fining him and putting him in jail would be perfect freedom. That is the world of Orwell, the hard left in this country, and certain elements in the middle east. The suppression of thought and the intolerance of opinion they disagree with is the imprimatur of the hard left in this country. They are not liberals nor are they democrats. But they have managed to fool a lot of people.

  107. moononpluto
    September 13th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    Shadowfax…the interesting part is the leaners bit in the Rasmussen and the details, clearly pointing to a seachange in there.
    —————-
    yes. Even if the other polls were not shamelessly partisan, Rassmussen gives us a so much more accurate view of the situation, and a sense of where things are moving than all the other pollsters combined. Also, the undecided will fall into the Romney camp for the reasons suggested by Morris. But again, the issue here is, has always been, and will always be the electoral college–meaning the swing states, plus the massive cheating operation Obama has planned. Therefore, Romney needs to win by a significant margin to offset that factor.

  108. Jeswezey you continue to ignore the central issue. Nonsense analogies about children is childish and not worthy of debate. If Kid A insults Kid B that is no excuse for Kid B to strike out with violence. It is not equitable. Get yourself to a movie outlet and purchase the first “Godfather” movie. In the very first scenes when Godfather is asked to kill the molester of a man’s daughter Godfather replies that the man’s daughter is still alive so that request is not one for “justice”.

    As to what “outraged Egyptians” should do it is very simple, free speech versus free speech. They can protest the video. It’s that simple. Hold demonstrations, teach-ins, whatever. There’s no point in making nasty videos about Moses or Jesus because Hollywood has beat them to the punch. It is also rather silly to hold the American government responsible for what someone puts up on Youtube but intelligence appears to be at a premium here.

    Your statements that Egyptians were exercising “free speech” is beyond reason and logic. They invaded American soil, tore down an American flag, and burned it. In the United States you can burn the flag but it has to be your flag, not belonging to someone else. Further you can’t burn the flag on the property of someone else. This is not a free speech issue. If you go into someone’s house, take their flag and burn it in their living room you are not engaged in “free speech”. You are a vandal that should be shot without ceremony.

    Even sillier is your assertion that “Americans generally don’t like to have their values criticized”. Americans typically wallow in such critiques and love to engage the topic in honest debate. Perhaps instead of indulging yourself in mass generalizations you should look to yourself and wonder if you are either wrong or communicating your ideas in a foolish or dishonest way. For instance, you repeatedly state that “I am not justifying the violence in Egypt” when clearly that is exactly what you are doing. Don’t you see that? You ask for others to engage in self examination but you somehow don’t recognize a flaw in your thoughts or at the very least in how you present them.

  109. It seems Obama made a big booboo by saying

    “Egypt neither an ally or an enemy”

    Well Egypt was an ally for many years, so he admits he lost one of our biggest Middle east allies. Egypt was designated a non-nato ally in 1989.

    Now the WH is scrambling to spin the fallout from the remark that has left many foreign policy commentators scratching their heads.

    Who’s the foreign policy dunce now then Barack?

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/13/white_house_clarifies_obama_s_statement_that_egypt_is_not_an_ally

  110. Yup he’s getting slammed…

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/13/obama-cant-say-terrorist-spikes-football-as-4-lay-dead-declares-he-lost-egypt-as-ally-luke-russert-slams/

    That’s right. In an interview with Telemundo last night in Vegas, baby, Vegas, President Obama admitted to losing Egypt as an ally. He declared, on Telemundo, that the U.S. would no longer consider the Egyptian government an ally, “but we don’t consider them an enemy.”

    Breitbart.com has more. Even MSNBC was forced to express disbelief.

    This morning, on MSNBC of all places, NBC’s chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel obviously didn’t get the memo about protecting The One throughout this crisis and hammered Obama over losing one of three allies America has in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia and Israel being the other two):

    CHUCK TODD: I just want to get your first reaction, before you give me a report, of the President saying Egypt was not an ally or an enemy.

    RICAHED ENGEL: Yeah, I almost had to sit down when I heard that. For the last forty years, the United States has had two main allies in the Middle East — Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the other ally in the Middle East being Israel. For the President to come out and say, well, he’s not exactly sure if Egypt is an ally any more but it’s not an enemy, that is a significant change in the perspective of Washington toward this country, the biggest country in the Arab world. It makes one wonder, well, was it worth it? Was it worth supporting the Arab Spring, supporting the demonstrations here in Tahrir Square, when now in Tahrir Square there are clashes going on behind me right in front of the US embassy?

    You know what would surely not be worth it? Another four years of this hot mess of a president. Unbelievable. Besides Israel, the United States has two allies in the middle east: Egypt and Saudi Arabia. President Obama’s “smart diplomacy” lost us one of them. And he irresponsibly announced it on Telemundo. Funny what happens when he is off teleprompter, huh?

    Citizens are, of course, outraged. And where is the rest of the media?

  111. This is what we have to keep in mind – these followers of Islam intend to kill us.

    “… quote from Mohamed Morsy just after he was elected to power:
    “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal.”

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/13/jihad-is-our-path-and-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal/
    -;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-

    There is no way to live peacefully with people who want to kill you – no matter what they think their justification is. They reduce it all to kill or be killed.

    Obama will get us all killed!

  112. Shadowfax
    September 13th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    … pass over TDO, the eternal pessimist and jeswezey right now is pretty darn easy.
    A plate full of shit is all I can handle, and any more is just too much
    -;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;
    Keep hanging Shadowfax – the grapes see TD and justwoozy as a lot of white space… although after reading ADMIN’s explanation of the basics of free speech, curiosity sent me back to read the sophomoric bs that prompted it – lots of defensive wheelspinning and posturing. Oh, well, back to scrolling white spaces. Someone here once said, (sang?) “Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, keep those mousies scrolling” – I always chuckle as I remember that. But you have to be a well-aged American to know the tune.

  113. tim posted:
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/the-filmmaker-who-wasnt.html

    ==============================

    Thanks for posting this informative link. (But do you know much about the background and credibility of al-monitor? I don’t have time to check them out.)

    Perhaps the key fact from al-monitor’s story is:
    ““Sam Bacile” also had almost no presence on the Internet until someone with that handle posted an Arabic-language translation of a 13-minute trailer for the film to YouTube on Monday.”

    Even the English version sounds bad, so the translation may be accurate. But this reminds me of the history of the ‘Mohammed cartoon’ flap some years ago. According to the New Yorker iirc, what upset the Arabs was not so much the actual European cartoons, but some Arab preacher’s publication of some bogus, really offensive drawings which he ‘linked’ with the cartoons.

  114. Here are some new links from the Brad Hicks journal I linked above about the anti-Mohammed trailer.

    theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/what-weve-learned-cast-crew-who-worked-muslim-innocence/56811/

    theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/does-not-represent-us-moving-photos-pro-american-rallies-libya/56803/

  115. ““Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, keep those mousies scrolling”
    ********
    Now you’ve done it…that will be in my head all day!!! :>)

  116. RidUsOfZero
    September 13th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    Working copy of Muhammad Movie Trailer (while it lasts).

    Don’t know is this was re-posted:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&%2338;feature=youtu.be
    ——————–
    Now that I have seen the movie clip, I would have banned it. The right to free speech is not absolute. There are exceptions for fighting words, and Holmes famous dictim about screaming fire in a crowded theater. This kind of hate filled parody was calculated to produce the effect it had, whether they knew it or not. It is Bill Maher on steroids. It is unacceptable–and not even funny.

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