Florida Primary Results: Romney Rapture, Gingrich Apocalypse?

We have to pretend this Florida primary is the most important thing in the world today. To us it really does not matter. We want to get onto other matters like Hillary, Donna and memos and such. But tonight is all Florida and the Republican primary results. All we care about is getting rid of Barack Obama and his enablers/henchmen.

Newt Gingrich supporters however are all excited about tonight
. Mitt Romney supporters are all excited about tonight. Whatever happens, meh. NoBama!



The Boob has got to go. Obama does not know much about things he thinks he knows a lot about. The problem is compounded by the fact that Obama has an “interesting disconnect” on things that are not solely about himself – like jobs and the economy.

The Boob has got to go. Who the GOP opponent is matters, but not to us.

As in any horse race this Republican primary fight is between a “favorite” called Romney and a “long shot” called Gingrich.

The “favorite” is a non-threatening horse that has been around this track before. If you bet on this horse odds are you will win but the payout from your bet won’t be particularly high or exciting because so many people are betting on this nag – who won’t win “stud of the year”.

The “long shot” is a horse with an erratic record in other tracks but if this horse wins and you bet on him – you win big.

In political terms this translates to: with Romney the likelihood of a victory in November is greater but the satisfaction of the win won’t be so glorious; with Newt the likelihood of a victory is lessened but if you win you get everything Republicans/conservatives have pined for for a long long time in economics and in social policy.

We don’t care. We want Obama gone. Obama enablers gone. We want the return of a Democratic Party that cares about the working class – white, black, yellow, green, red, blue. We want a Democratic Party that does not race bait. We want a Democratic Party that does not wallow or excuse misogyny and sexism.

The Republicans/conservative can do what they want. It won’t matter to us. To us what matters is NoBama. The rest is just details.

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582 thoughts on “Florida Primary Results: Romney Rapture, Gingrich Apocalypse?

  1. CNN is wrong, its only 22% in, so far, dont know where they are getting 40% from, everyone else has it 22.

  2. admin,

    That was such a sad ending to a great horse.

    😥

    (I had to put down one of my parrots the other day. Watching a beautiful creature suffer is tough.)

  3. I don’t know, moononpluto, but according to the map MR swept Florida from the panhandle south. The north is Newt territory.

  4. There’s that new series on HBO called “LUCK”, great actors, Nick Nolte, Dustin Hoffman, all about racing, amazing. A horse broke a leg in a race, I couldn’t watch, the jockey was so caring, held her head and spoke to her softly as the Vet injected her. It was a tear jerker…

  5. gonzo,

    I couldn’t stand to hold my little Pixie. She’s buried under the apple tree next to her sister and my last doggie.

    😥 😥

  6. moononpluto,

    I see what you mean with the difference in reporting of results. What’s that about?

    On another note, MR (according to Politico) got 65% of Miami-Dade. That is huge.

  7. Somehow I think that going after Newt Gingrich in a down and dirty fight was a freeing experience for a button down, straight laced, Morman gentleman. I don’t think he enjoyed it but somehow figured out it is not so bad if you have to do it. It is good practice for taking on Obama.

  8. I just hope that IF MR is the nominee and IF, as wbboei said on the previous thread, MR’s staffers really are ruthless, all the venom apparently leveled at Newt (I don’t live in Florida so I have not heard the ads) will be aimed straight at BO.

    And IF MR is the nominee, I would hope Newt would help him take BO out.

    All the repubs should unite in that goal no matter how hard this campaign is for them.

  9. If Gingrich carries north Florida, which is what the people of this state call the “real” Florida, then Southerners have issues with Romney, while transplants apparently don’t. Either way, ABO.

    I do care what the Republicans do because I want the best candidate possible that will neuter Obama (ok, in my belief newter Øbama). I sure hope Mitt is it if he becomes the nominee, but I feel like we’ll be in for a version of Obama-light, and that really sickens me. Øbama gone… GREAT! Replaced with his unassuming twin… NOT so great. The biggest issue for me is Øbamacare. I don’t think Mitt will mess with Obamacare regardless of what he states today. I suspect he is for it or something similar, and that makes me angry enough to consider voting for a third party candidate as any politician supporting Obamacare is my enemy. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    I also think people love them some big government regardless of what party runs this country. Yuck!

  10. Wow.

    I lived in St. Lucie County for a few years. (roughly 4 counties north of Miami-Dade) I’m a bit surprised they seem to have gone for Mitt over Newt.

  11. Nomobama,

    Interesting point.

    ‘If Gingrich carries north Florida, which is what the people of this state call the “real” Florida, then Southerners have issues with Romney, while transplants apparently don’t.’

  12. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
    gonzo
    ****************

    I have had to put so many animals down due to the ravages of old age, I just can’t take it anymore. I am the only one in the family that takes them to the Vet. I always stay with them, hold them and totally lose it. I have 3 dogs right now age 3, 9 and 12 and my 12 year old has back problems from an old injury. I took her to the Vet today for injections. I was just thinking about how unfair it was that their life span is so short. I was looking at pics of her just a few years ago, her coat solid black, now not so much. She loves me as I love her, it will be so difficult when the time comes. Harley my male that is 9 is probably the most loving, happy dog I have ever had,Lo Pan the 3 year old, thinks I am literally his mother and is a very spoiled child.

    They give so much and ask for so little.

  13. OMG!!!! Better not let MR see these lyrics. he might have a hard attack.

    “Long before Viagra and Cialis, we had Muddy Waters’ Hard Again, his youthful “comeback” album recorded when he was at the ripe young age of 62.”

    Ooooooh, yeah, ooh, yeah

    Everythin’, everythin’, everythin’s gonna be alright this mornin’
    Ooh yeah, whoaw
    Now when I was a young boy, at the age of five
    My mother said I was, gonna be the greatest man alive
    But now I’m a man, way past 21
    Want you to believe me baby,
    I had lot’s of fun
    I’m a man
    I spell mmm, aaa child, nnn
    That represents man
    No B, O child, Y
    That mean mannish boy
    I’m a man
    I’m a full grown man
    I’m a man
    I’m a natural born lovers man
    I’m a man
    I’m a rollin’ stone
    I’m a man
    I’m a hoochie coochie man

    Sittin’ on the outside, just me and my mate
    You know I’m made to move you honey,
    come up two hours late
    Wasn’t that a man
    I spell mmm, aaa child, nnn
    That represents man
    No B, O child, Y
    That mean mannish boy
    I’m a man
    I’m a full grown man
    Man
    I’m a natural born lovers man
    Man
    I’m a rollin’ stone
    Man-child
    I’m a hoochie coochie man
    The line I shoot will never miss
    When I make love to a woman,
    she can’t resist
    I think I go down,
    to old Kansas Stew
    I’m gonna bring back my second cousin,
    that little Johnny Cocheroo
    All you little girls,
    sittin’out at that line
    I can make love to you woman,
    in five minutes time
    Ain’t that a man
    I spell mmm, aaa child, nnn
    That represents man
    No B, O child, Y
    That mean mannish boy
    Man
    I’m a full grown man
    Man
    I’m a natural born lovers man
    Man
    I’m a rollin’ stone
    I’m a man-child
    I’m a hoochie coochie man
    well, well, well, well
    hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry
    Don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me child
    don’t hurt me, don’t hurt, don’t hurt me child
    well, well, well, well

    Yeah

  14. Does anybody else think that Sheppard Smith looks awful?

    I haven’t watched his show in a while and I was shocked tonight to see how thin and pale he is. He appears to be very sick.

  15. Interesting…….

    According to the exit polls, Newt and Mitt are TIED in the North Florida/Panhandle region with 38% each.

    Shocker.

  16. gonzo,

    “I just can’t take it anymore.”

    I feel the same way. Their life spans are (generally) so short. Pixie was a budgie and she was 11. But Venus, (the Amazon) is about 30 and can live to age 50-60. The oldest recorded amazon lifespan was 98.

    My Quaker is about 10 and has a 35 year life span, same as the plum head.

    I have to put them all in my will.

    BTW, I did not know horses can live to be 40-45. A story I covered about a local horse rescue farm featured their oldest resident (over 40) and 5 of the 6 women who had cared for her over the past 30 years.

    Amazing.

  17. I always been with my dogs when they left this earth. I have had one die at home in my arms. I knew she was ill, and took her to the vet several times, but was told that there was nothing wrong with her for the most part. She was such a good dog, and I felt horrible about her dying that way. Only after she died did I notice her pads on her paws were yellow. It had to have been her liver. She was my shadow, even when she could barely walk and was in complete misery. Fortunately, the worse for her lasted “just” a few days. If I had known she was ready to go, I would have taken her to the vet and had her do it.

  18. nomobama,

    When the vet told me the most humane thing to do was to let Pixie go, I ha to listen.

    Oh god, I’m gonna start crying again.

    There’s something about animals and death which get to me more than anything else except for children. I don’t know why. I was glad to hear Santorum’s daughter is going to be OK.

  19. Leanora
    January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    Does anybody else think that Sheppard Smith looks awful?

    I haven’t watched his show in a while and I was shocked tonight to see how thin and pale he is. He appears to be very sick.
    ======================================================

    While visiting a friend, he had the news on and I couldn’t believe how bad Shep Smith looked. There’s something wrong there, but I guess his privacy with regards to his health is very important to him.

  20. Poor Rick. He has gone through he11 with children.

    “Isabella, or “Bella,” was born with a genetic disorder known as Trisomy 18, which means that she has three copies of the 18th chromosome instead of two. That causes abnormalities in the development of the brain, heart and other internal organs, says Robert Marion, chief of genetics and developmental medicine at the Children’s Hospital at Montefiore Medical Center in the Bronx, New York. Almost half the children born with the condition die within the first three months of life, Marion notes. “Ninety percent die in the first year,” he says, “And the ten percent who survive have severe developmental problems.”

  21. I was glad to read Santorum’s daughter was better, too. Just 3 years old and going through so much in life already.

    For me, dogs are like toddlers, just a tad smarter. You want to protect them. When you can’t, it’s devastating.

  22. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/01/31/gingrich_and_romney_are_unelectable_so_is_obama_112972.html

    Gingrich and Romney Are “Unelectable”? So Is Obama.

    As the Republican primary slogs forward, supporters of Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are arguing that the other candidate is “unelectable.” The reasoning regarding Gingrich tends to revolve around his horrendous favorability ratings, and a propensity for self-destruction. The rationale regarding Romney is more varied, and is well enunciated by Quin Hillyer and John Hawkins. Last Wednesday, Erick Erickson at RedState — no Romney fan — threw up his hands and declared both leading candidates unelectable. [snip]

    But even taking these claims at face value, they tell at most half the story. It’s understandable that the focus would be on Republican candidates in the midst of a GOP primary. But we shouldn’t forget that the general election — like all incumbent elections — will largely be a referendum on Barack Obama. And, under current conditions, Obama is every bit as unelectable as the Republicans supposedly are. Consider:

    1) Obama is still unpopular. Almost all models of presidential elections examine presidential approval ratings (very few use challenger favorability, incidentally), as presidents rarely win many votes of those who disapprove of their performance in office. In other words, Obama probably needs to be pretty close to 50 percent approval on Election Day to secure re-election. [snip]

    2) The economy is still a millstone. As I noted above, there has been some good economic news lately. But the flip side of this is that we’ve heard it before: Late 2010 and early 2011 were filled with bullish reports on the economy, as was early 2010 (remember “Recovery Summer”?). [snip]

    3) The president’s domestic agenda is unpopular. Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, the DNC’s vice chairman, recently stated that Obama’s national message “will be that he passed the health-care law, single-handedly saved the car industry, ended the wars and has had 22 months of job growth.”

    Selling this will be a very difficult task. Almost two years after the health care law passed, only 37.6 percent of Americans are in favor of it, one of the lowest measurements RCP has found. The 22 months of job growth is a nice statistic, but such an argument, made vigorously, risks sounding out of touch to a public that believes that the economy is still in dire straits.

    [snip]

    4) Head-to-head polling. This is of limited utility this far out, but it is worth a brief mention. Obama leads Romney by only a 47.5-45.1 margin in the RCP Average. His lead against Gingrich is large, but he’s still only at 51.9 percent, about where his approval rating maxed out after bin Laden was killed.

    State polling has been sparse, but let’s consider the following RCP Averages: Romney leads 48.8-42 in New Hampshire; 45.3-45 in Florida (all very recent polling); and 46.6-42.8 in Virginia. Add in the McCain states plus Indiana, and that’s 237 electoral votes — 33 shy of a victory. The president leads, but is at or below 47 percent, in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, North Carolina, Colorado, and Nevada. That’s a dangerous place for any incumbent.

    [snip]

    Second, and of more concern to the president, Public Policy Polling found that in 2011, Obama’s job approval rating among undecided voters in its polls was only 18 percent. In other words, these voters will be inclined to break for a semi-credible GOP nominee. Given that the president is currently well below 50 percent in many of these polls, that’s a huge problem for him.

    5) We’ve heard it before. Finally, most of the arguments for why the president is electable should sound vaguely familiar. They were mostly made in 2010 and offered as reasons why the election wouldn’t be so bad for the Democrats. Here’s the president a few days ago, arguing that the 2012 election would be a choice, not a referendum on his presidency. Here’s David Axelrod, making the exact same argument in 2010.

    Here’s an article in Foreign Policy, arguing in part that Republicans are just too unpopular and radical for the American people to hand them the election. Here’s, well, me making a similar argument in 2009.

    Here’s Ezra Klein observing that 54 percent of voters still blame Bush for the state of the economy (though in fairness, he notes some limitations to this poll). That’s actually an improvement from 2010.

    And so it goes. At least Obama hasn’t resurrected the “Slurpee analogy.

  23. “The Boob has got to go. Who the GOP opponent is matters, but not to us. ”
    Yes, absolutely agreed. I think mittens is more electable.
    Great Article Admin

    Speaking of horses, I remember how in 2008 Hillary picked a horse to run in some race, the horse unfortunately took a nasty spill in the race, broke legs, and I remember the Obots used that example against Hillary. One of the most disgusting things I saw.

  24. Amazing about the horses Basil, I had no idea they lived that long. My daughter had a jumper, but he got kicked in the head, broke his jaw and literally was crazy and un ride able after that. Luckily his previous owner took him back because I don’t know what we were going to do with him, he actually tried to kill my daughter during a jump. It was so sad, I really believe he suffered brain damage. He was out in the field with two eighteen hand horse’s and he was only fifteen hands. I think one of them did him in. He was well taken care of and totally healed, in the physical sense, but never recovered mentally. I was really glad he went back to his previous home, they had a really good bond, she raised him from a foal, so it had a happy ending. Un fortunately my daughter was scared from it and after riding eight years, just can’t do it.

    I still love horses, but have a new appreciation of their power. I usually ride well travel horse’s these days.

  25. OK. I’m off to listen to the speeches.

    May tonight’s results portend a BO coup in November.

    (I can dream and hope, can’t I?)

  26. What I have noticed in the county by county vote is that when Gingrich and Santorum’s totals are combined, in the majority of the counties, the total is greater than the total for Romney in that county. Both Gingrich and Santorum are running under a conservative banner. The only area where this is not holding true is southeast Florida, and some of the other southern counties, plus the Tampa Bay counties. There are a couple of other counties in the northeast, also, but considering that there are something like 72 counties in this state, it looks like conservatives are not exactly enamored with Romney. The counties that are more for Romney tend to be the more urban counties, not that it matters any.

  27. Ann Romney is speaking…
    I like Romney’s wife, my wife just commented the same thing, she seems be more of a Laura Bush type, calm, no arrogance. Certainly not like the woman proud to be an American just 2 years ago with a huge chip on her shoulder currently in the WH.

  28. thanks basil, yes I think the horse’s name was Rachel Alexandra. I remember Obots at huffpost were just saying the most disgusting things about Hillary using that accident.

  29. Willard doing well with his victory speech. Hits Obama hard. Newt is collateral damage with the Obama critique.

  30. thanks admin, yes, that was it. What a disgusting display by those disgusting obots.

    Mittens did really well tonight, he’s improved tremendously since 2008.

  31. Today’s results show that MR will be R nominee.
    Hope the primary is over soon
    And opinion polls show boob trailing and shivers they send through boob and the sleeveless make them withdraw from the race making Hillary the D nominee

  32. More about the conservative influence in the Republican primaries…

    5:49 pm
    Allison Kopicki
    Exit Polls: More Conservative Than 2008
    Florida’s primary voters are somewhat more conservative than in 2008, but are more moderate than Iowa and South Carolina.

    Preliminary exit poll results reveal that about 7 in 10 Republican primary voters in Florida consider themselves conservative, and about 2 in 10 Republican primary voters consider themselves moderate.

    In 2008, 61 percent of Florida primary voters said they were conservative, and 28 percent considered themselves moderate.

    So far in the nominating contest, Iowa has been the most conservative state, with 8 in 10 voters saying they were conservative, and nearly half saying they were very conservative. Over two-thirds of South Carolina’s primary voters were conservative, and over a third said they were very conservative.

    In South Carolina, 23 percent of voters were moderates, and Mitt Romney led moderates there by 5 points. In Iowa, only 15 percent of voters said they considered themselves moderate on most political matters, and they split their vote between Ron Paul and Mr. Romney.

  33. It was the filly ‘Eight Belles’ who broke both her ankles in the Derby and euthanized on the track. That was a very sad day for everyone.

    Rachel Alexandra, the 2009 Horse of the Year is alive and well. She just foaled a new colt weighing in at 125 lbs at birth. He’s ten days old sired by Curlin the 2007 and 2008 Horse of the Year

  34. So, conservatives in Florida voting for someone that really isn’t all that conservative. Interesting to me. I wonder how many of these people are really conservative? Sometimes, I think people think one thing about themselves (like I used to do), but when forced to answer a survey about how they feel about issues, the end result turns out to be something totally different than what they thought.

  35. Oops! My very bad. Of course it was 8 Belles.

    Poor thing.

    Well, the MR speech did not set off any fireworks but then again he is not a fireworks kind of a guy.

    Newt clearly is.

    But I liked MR’s speech. I liked that he made it about BO. I liked that he said the campaign was not dividing his party but preparing the party.

    I agree Anne is a wonderful asset although she’s clearly a control freak as evidenced when she told the audience not to applaud until she’d read off the list of those to be thanked and then quipped, “You’re not LISTENING to me!” (Sound familiar, ladies?)

    I also think she lends a humanizing quality to Mitt. Notice at the end he was ready to bolt from the stage but she held him back and made him turn around to face the audience behind him.

    Sure, Mitt is a bit nerdy and awkward but I find it somewhat charming.

    I am also personally glad he has money and can raise it. That’s going to be essential against BO’s billion dollar campaign.

    About Newt, I feel slightly sorry for him because I’m sure the 3 – 1 spending by MR’s campaign had a negative impact on Newt’s showing, but that’s politrix.

    I thought wbboei’s comment on the previous thread that MR’s campaign had chosen to go after Indy’s rather than conservatives was interesting.

    All I can say at this point is that I pray BO is unseated.

  36. Newt has proffered he will continue on..and prepared himself pretty well for tonight’s defeat.

    I have a question… where FL usually offers 53 delegates. Because of the early primary their delegates will be cut in half.. is that true?

  37. Santorum is speaking, I’m so glad to hear him say his little baby girl Bella is doing much better. That’s great to hear.

  38. I think Florida has 100 delegates but has been penalized by the RNC for holding an early primary and their delegates were cut in half.

    I think that’s it.

  39. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Oops! My very bad. Of course it was 8 Belles.
    _____________

    The new HBO series LUCK- the first episode, they show a horse breaking his leg and euthanized on the track.. The jockey’s are always considerate of their horses when they go down. They never get over it- And they are thankful when a horse falls, they weren’t killed or maimed when it happens. They are the bravest souls on earth… imo-

  40. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    I think Florida has 100 delegates but has been penalized by the RNC for holding an early primary and their delegates were cut in half.

    I think that’s it.
    ___________

    Oh- OK… then. When the tv anchor said 53 delegates they had already done the math.. Thanks…

  41. I wonder if Newt’s team has done the math on states that were penalized for early primaries and calculated the rest of the states, the South in particular, where he may do well balancing the penalized states with a good proportion of wins in other states?

  42. moononpluto-

    calculating delegates is in your dept.. yes?

    you could literally calculate what states each candidate would need to win in order to have the necessary delegates to qualify in one primary after another…

  43. Mrs. Smith,

    You seem to know a lot about horses. I find them the most magnificent animals. What I knew (before visiting the horse rescue farm) was based on things like racing and I thought a normal lifespan was 15-20 years. I had no idea that when properly cared for they can live for so many decades.

    Newt is speaking now and he is delivering a fiery and defiant response.

  44. Newt really is brilliant.

    “I’m not going to challenge the president to a sing-off because I’m running for commander in chief, not entertainer in chief.” (paraphrasing)

    Talks about how his budget doesn’t allow for a teleprompter so he has to wing it.

    Supports Israel.

    BO has declared war on the Catholic Church and other religions. I will repeal every anti-(Christian) act of the BO administration.

  45. I have been flipping through the channels and I tuned into CNN and I was struck by how absolutely deflated the commenters there are at seeing the enthusiasm of no-Bo voters.

    It’s like they are stunned that anyone could support anyone but their mess-iah for anything.

    I can’t WAIT to see them when BO is thrown out on his butt in November.

    That should be very entertaining.

    Paul is speaking now and he has the usual fired up crowd and I can just imagine Spritzer thinking to himself Paul’s audience has a lot of YOUNG voters who will not vote BO.

    Delicious.

  46. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    You seem to know a lot about horses. I find them the most magnificent animals. What I knew (before visiting the horse rescue farm) was based on things like racing and I thought a normal lifespan was 15-20 years. I had no idea that when properly cared for they can live for so many decades.
    ____________

    I do- at one time we stabled 22 horses on the estate.. 10 of them were mine, the rest of them were boarders and sale horses.

    You had to be part Vet-trainer-therapist and psychologist to have the horses develop into well mannered, properly trained individuals where they would never intentionally hurt their rider. We almost won the Purina prize for the oldest horse in the country an Appy but he unfortunately coliced at the age of 41..just before they were coming to visit him. The only horses under consideration are registered horses.. where proof of their age is documented.

    They refuse anecdotal evidence as proof of age though…

    Yup, they became like family.. and I miss them terribly… I rode 3 everyday in training. Race horses we rehabilitated from not too severe injuries into show horses that did really well for the students at local shows..

  47. Paul does have fired up young supporters… the difference between his election and Barry’s youngsters and Acorn workers are that Barry was an Empty suit, no experience to note and chanted empty words of Hope/change.

    Paul is the opposite, he educates his supporters on the Constitution and the Federal Reserve, and not only is a medical doctor but worked in Congress for years. At least these young folks and supporters will get more bang for their buck…while obots got hosed.

  48. Viola Davis’ father, worked for us taking care of the TB’s on the farm. Why I was so thrilled at her winning the SAG award. If you read her wiki, she had done her due diligence, just as her Dad wanted her to do, and is generally being recognized as a sought after actress who will make her role come alive and real.

    She did a local interview here after the awards addressing her old HS and the kids saying ‘reach for the stars they are yours to have if you work hard enough for it’.. (paraphrased) She is just marvelous!

  49. I glanced at the voter percentages on tv a few hours ago.. Between Paul and Santorum their percentages of votes totaled to about 30%.. I don’t know what it is now.. thinking the siphoning of votes would have put Gingrich into a statistical dead heat with Romney had the contest been just between the two candidates.

  50. admin-

    I just stopped writing long enough to read your post.. You speak the harsh facts of the Truth.. with the bottom line of ABO… even if we need a shoe horn for extricating the parasites from our White House-

  51. On Hannity a few minutes ago, Rubio’s name was mentioned…as a VP, one guy with gray hair said he can’t, he is not a Natl. Born Citizen…eveyone else grumbled at it, and no one could say for sure what would happen….because of Barry’s situation.

  52. “as a VP, one guy with gray hair said he can’t, he is not a Natl. Born Citizen…eveyone else grumbled at it, and no one could say for sure what would happen….because of Barry’s situation”
    *******
    I hope he is the VP nom., maybe the SCOTUS will take the case and say what “natural born” means. They should have done it with Barry Goldwater and settled the issue then.

  53. Darn admins last two posts don’t come through on an iPad, can someone let me know what I am missing.

    Just wondering if I need to crank up the PC.

  54. I think that this writer has things in perspective. I also like the semtiment expressed at the very end.
    ————
    At some country-club golf course recently, Speaker Boehner, Haley Barbour and the Bain Capital and banking wings of the GOP probably devised the plan that is now under way: Ron Paul, get on the program behind Mitt and stop talking down wars. Sarah Palin, stop referring to the GOP establishment as Stalinesque. Tea Party members: shut up and get behind the former liberal governor of Massachusetts. Conservative movement, cool it. So what if our nominee was the godfather of ObamaCare?

    The French say, apres moi, le deluge. The white-shoe, country-club, establishment Republican leaders will be pressuring in unison after Florida, saying to the right, the Tea Party, Ron Paul and Sarah Palin: be good little boys and girls because we own this party, not you. The post-Florida deluge of pressure is coming, with the appropriate suspects in the media class chanting with the GOP establishment, for about the third time in this campaign: it is over, children, the Romney takeover of the conservative conscience and the Republican Party is done.

    Mission accomplished.

    Don’t believe it.

    To the Ron Paul people: they don’t get you, because you actually believe in something.

    To the Tea Party people: they just humor you, but regard you as nothing more than peasant soldiers for the big money in their house of lords. When they tell you they hate Obama as much as you do, they think they can fool you, condescend to you and ultimately pressure and force you to submit to the Romney takeover. Though Romney, in truth, is the antithesis of everything you believe the GOP should stand for.

    To the conservative movement: they get you, in fact. They know you hunger for power, and you will accept actions from Republicans you would loathe and despise and even hate from liberal Democrats because in the end, you want your seat at the table of power.

    The Ron Paul people, the Tea Party and the conservative movement are to Mitt Romney and the country-club wing of the Republican establishment what laid-off workers were to Mitt Romney and Bain Capital. You are property, to be used when you can be helpful, to be humored and condescended to when you become nervous, to be discarded when you are no longer useful, and to be crushed by big money if you show integrity to conviction policies which they deplore behind your backs.

    Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, the conservative movement: you are no more to the white-shoe, country-club, insider GOP establishment than Mitt Romney’s dog. You can ride on the top of Mitt’s car, or on the back of Mitt’s bus, but the GOP belongs to him, and people like him, and not you, or people like you. Always has. Always will.

    After Florida some will say it is over, but it will not be over. Very few delegates will have been selected. A majority of national Republican voters does not play golf in the country club of the white-shoe Republican establishment that will soon be telling the majority of Republicans to shut up and be good little boys and girls.

    JFK often said: if you have a man’s job, find a woman.

    Why do I suspect we may soon be hearing the distant drum of a very smart lady who knows exactly what is happening, who can do the math that I suggest here, who may soon emerge with fists flying from a town called Wasilla?

  55. I hope he [Rubio] is the VP nom., maybe the SCOTUS will take the case and say what “natural born” means.

    ===========

    Stories on the hearing (in Georgia iirc) say that a SC in the past did define at least one requirement of NBC as ‘born of two parents who were both citizens’.

  56. Pat Caddell, one Democrat that I actually still like. You know why? Because he speaks out against Obama. Here’s a poll he recently completed

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    January 30, 2012
    Is the National Electorate to the Right of Republicans on National Security?
    George W. Ford
    The pollsters Pat Caddell and John McLaughlin unveiled some startling national poll numbers recently, at David Horowitz’s November 2011 Restoration Weekend (video presentation here).

    The gist of the research is that Obama is very vulnerable on foreign policy, if Republican candidates take him on directly, issue by issue, which they have yet to show any strong interest in doing.

    In reading through these poll results it is obvious that Iran, sharia and jihadists frighten the public, more so than most Republican elected officials are frightened.

    Here are the 8 poll questions:

     
    Question:  If sanctions against Iran do not work, would you approve or disapprove of using the military to attack and destroy the facilities in Iran which are necessary to produce a nuclear weapon?

    Result: Approve 64% (strongly approve 39%), Disapprove 23%

    (Pat Caddell notes that women approve more strongly than men across party affiliations.)

    Question:  Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Result: Favorable 10%, Unfavorable 44%, No Opinion 35%

    Question: Sharia Law is the code of conduct or religious law of Islam.  Do you approve or disapprove of US judges applying Sharia Law when deciding cases in American federal and state courts?

    Result: Approve 6%, Disapprove 76% (strongly disapprove 67%)

    Question:  How concerned are you about Islamic terrorism by American-born Muslims?

    Result: Concerned 86%, Not Concerned 13%  (John McLaughlin reminds us that Rep. Peter King, Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, was warned strongly last year by fellow Republicans not to conduct hearings on radicalization of US Muslims.)

    Question:  Regarding the congressional hearings on radicalization of Muslims in the US, they need to continue because they provide valuable information needed to stop terrorism — agree or disagree?

    Result: Agree 63%, Disagree 20%

    Question:  Members of the US media and political elites are so concerned with being politically correct, they are downplaying and not paying enough attention to the threats to American security by Islamic terrorists.  Agree or disagree?

    Result: Agree 63%, Disagree 20%

    Question: A first year Muslim teacher in Chicago sued to be allowed to go on her pilgrimage, which the School Board refused since they would never give the time off to any other teacher.  US attorney general Eric Holder intervened to take up her case, which will involve spending millions of dollars, arguing her “rights.”  What is your reaction to this story?  Does it make you … (open ended)

    Result: Angry/Upsetting 78%, Not Upsetting 17%

    Question: Last year an American cartoonist named Molly Norris from Seattle came up with an idea to satirize radical Islamic terrorists with a “Draw Mohammed” contest.  Molly Norris received numerous death threats from known terrorists, including the current head of al Qaeda.  Although she’s an American citizen living in the US, the FBI came to Molly Norris and told her that the threat against her was real and that they would not protect her, and she would need to change her identity, give up her job, and go into hiding, which she did.  What is your reaction to this story?  Does it make you … (open ended)

    Result: Angry/Upset 80%, Not Upset 13%

     

    Judging by the middling priority leading Republicans place on these issues and news stories, they either don’t comprehend the public’s overwhelming rejection of Obama’s appeasement, or they are afraid of the “Islamophobic” tag.

    Note: The poll sample was national and across party affiliations, according to Pat’s comments in the linked video, although I have not been able to find the actual report, conducted by Secure America Now. 

  57. Appearing on Fox News tonight, former half term Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin slammed Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney by claiming that he won the Florida with money and misleading ads (video below).

    Palin lamented: “I think that with $17 million purchasing some ads and some false narrative it was very, very difficult for Newt Gingrich and the other candidates to counter that bombardment of advertisements”

    “$17 million spent in one state, that purchased a lot of darts and arrows that were flown in one direction and then a lot of darts and arrows were flown back and you know a lot of that negativity sure didn’t paint the party and the cause in very attractive colors. I think that hurts the electorate and ultimately diminishes the energy necessary to move forward in the general election.”

    Palin also expressed her continuing support for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich: “As it stands obviously it’s Romney and Newt are closest to be the front-running candidate, and so I would continue to vote for whoever it is to allow the process, and at this point it looks like it still is Newt. You have to kind of continue to level the playing field with your vote.”

  58. Someone recently posted an op-ed from the WSJ, a letter denying climate change. Here’s a good debunking of the letter:

    http://www.onearth.org/blog/wall-street-journals-climate-denying-opinion-piece-pile-of-crap
    [ The letter’s authors include ] a former astronaut, a professor of marketing, some meteorologists, and scientists of varying specialties that generally do not include the word “climate.” Even just a couple of quick searches revealed that some of the authors received funding or held former staff positions with ExxonMobil, Amoco (now BP), and Shell, to name a few. [….]
    Peter Frumhoff, of the Union of Concerned Scientists, explained this pretty well on Friday: “Here’s what we know: 2011 was the 35th year in a row in which global temperatures were above the historical average and 2010 and 2005 were the warmest years on record. Over the past decade, record high temperatures outpaced record lows by more than two to one across the continental United States, a marked increase from previous decades.” Notably, 2011 was the coolest year of the short 21st century, but as Climate Central has pointed out, it would rank as the second hottest of the entire of 20th century. [….]
    [ links to others’ comments ]
    Peter Frumhoff at the Union of Concerned Scientists
    Andrew Revkin at Dot Earth
    Peter Gleick at Forbes
    Joe Romm at Climate Progress
    Chris Mooney at DeSmogBlog
    Greg Laden at ScienceBlogs

  59. last post of the night, I think…
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    nomobama
    February 1st, 2012 at 12:46 am

    “JFK often said: if you have a man’s job, find a woman.”
    ………………

    I don’t understand the meaning of this quote- I may be too dense to figure it out.. help-
    …………

    “Why do I suspect we may soon be hearing the distant drum of a very smart lady who knows exactly what is happening, who can do the math that I suggest here, who may soon emerge with fists flying from a town called Wasilla?”
    …………………..

    I suggest Sarah’s first stop should be @ No Quarter-

    The article just posted on his site is so mean spirited towards Sarah Palin.. It is as demeaning as it is humiliating to see this type of trash in print at Super Sized CiA Larry’s site.. typing away, as he hides behind his computer screen.

    I seldom get angry enough when seeing this kind of thing to write about it.. But, Larry has gone too far in his character assassination of Sarah Palin… calling her “eye candy” for McCain’s arm… saying she is supporting Gingrich for the almighty dollar… He needs a good tongue lashing if he intends co-mingling with the opposite sex- ever, the slacker!

    Sarah Palin Loves her some Newt
    ________________________

  60. You had to be part Vet-trainer-therapist and psychologist to have the horses develop into well mannered, properly trained individuals where they would never intentionally hurt their rider.
    *****************
    Not true. My daughters horse was extremely well trained and a very good jumper till his severe injury. My daughter was an accomplished rider. Shit happens, like brain damage.

  61. I guess the Newt/ Romney wars on this blog will continue. I could too post endless articles in support of Romney, but for what? The dice are thrown. He will be the Republican nominee.

    I just want Hillary

  62. re: all the money being spent and the negative ads…huh?

    Obama started this way back when…first he outspent Hillary (I think it was something like 7 to 1, maybe more) and bombarded her (and Bill) with negative attacks, sexism, racism, etc…then he went back on his word and would not take tax payer funded money for the national election and spent more money than any candidate in history…and heaven knows where all that money came from…remember Mickey Mouse donated…

    the only reason G is complaining about $ is because he does not have it…this man really speaks out of both sides of his mouth…he is going on about “people power” vs “money power” while he is asking for a million dollar money bomb tonight…let’s get real…he has a casino guy and his wife “fronting” him $10 million dollars…i don’t see him refusing it…if a donor comes along offering him big bucks, G will be the first to grab it…so not buying this “baloney” as he likes to say…

    …next, if the point in supporting G is to defeat O, I can understand that…and as discussed last thread, we go with what is available, currently it appears to be either G or R…some of us think R has a much, much better chance of actually beating O…some of us think G does…

    however i draw the line at actually supporting G, the man…yes, it is one thing if you believe he can beat O and that is the motivation…but to actually support this guy…to believe in him…on a hillary site, no i can never accept that…

    and finally, if people are choosing G because they honestly believe he can beat O, then as i have stated previously I respect your POV and right to do so…but…
    I just hope this erratic guy doesn’t break your heart…because, mark my words, he is out for vengence…and if he does not get things the way he wants with his “people power” campaign…don’t be surprised if he doesn’t start his own independent “people party” and seal the deal for electing O…he is just that reckless…he is fuming…and he is so undisciplined that i can see him wanting to take R down so bad that he will end up allowing O to be re-elected…blinded by his anger…

    so like i said, if you honestly believe he can beat O and that is why you support him I can respect that…if, on the other hand, you support G because you believe in him and actually want him to be president because you support HIM…that is where I draw the line…the man is so consumed by his own ego and now anger and vengence that he cannot be trusted…he is too reactionary…and a terrible sore loser…and i might add, the general public will begin noticing…also I know he is playing to the conservative base but that is not going to help him with the national election…especially when women and so many others besides “conservatives” are turned off by him…

    finally, as far as R goes, the fact that he is playing such hardball, going negative, has the big bucks and money backing to lay it on…only works in our favor…just what do we think is coming down the road with O…it is going to be negativity and dirty tricks up the gazoo…and G knows that…his whining is so disingenious it is laughable…the thing i will say in R’s favor is that he is proving he won’t hold back going after O…he will have the money and he will strike back…

  63. maybe Newt will ask Sarah to run with him?!
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    SP wouldn’t take second again and I don’t see Newt going for VP. SP has disappointed me starting with leaving her elected Governorship. You know Hillary would never have done that, never. Her bus tours, all the hoopla and then nothing. Not sure what all that was about.

    I really thought she should have finished out her term, studied hard, gotten a voice coach for one. I know she was furious with the Repub establishment, with good reason, but I think she could have been more effective taking a different path then whatever she was doing last year. She was a force in 2010 elections but I think that has diminished.

  64. From ACE…def conservative site
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    Is Palin A Lame Duck?

    Someone mentioned “Palin threads just don’t have the same juice they used to.”

    It seems that way to me now. I don’t listen to her either way anymore.

    With the party now turning to a presidential election, is her role as lightning rod/lightning-thrower now more or less over?

    Of course she’ll never be completely over; I don’t mean that. She will still be on FoxNews and still produce books and such.

    But she’s not really a major player now, is she?

  65. true, gonzotx…it was meant more tongue in cheek…

    ******************************

    this is what we have to start focusing on…what we will be up against…this is only a little tip of the iceberg…even if O’s money is coming in slowly, it will come in…I would like to have someone go up against O that can crush him on the $$ side…

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Speilberg-SEIU-Obama-Super/2012/01/31/id/426206

    Speilberg, SEIU Backing Obama Super PAC
    Tuesday, 31 Jan 2012 10:55 PM

    Big donors to a Super PAC supporting President Barack Obama include movie director Steven Spielberg and the Service Employees International Union, NBC News and msnbc.com reported Tuesday night.

    Spielberg chipped in $100,000, and the SEIU gave the largest amount, $1 million, the TV news organizations said.

    Priorities USA Action filed its report Tuesday night with the Federal Election Commission showing $4.4 million raised to support Obama’s re-election effort, well behind the goal of $100 million.

    Meanwhile, NBC News and msnbc.com reported seeing indications that the Obama Super PAC is being financed by a related non-profit group, Priorities USA. This sister group — which is raising money from secret donors, according to NBC News and msnbc.com — is the type of entity denounced in 2010 by Obama.

    Priorities USA Action and Priorities USA were founded last year by Obama’s former deputy press secretary Bill Burton and political aide Sean Sweeney. Priorities USA, a nonprofit organization, is not required to file with the FEC.

    Priorities USA Action reported getting $215,234 from its non-disclosing fellow PAC, Priorities USA, NBC and msnbc.com reported. It listed the funds as reimbursements for operating expenses.

  66. True that S…Spielberg, should have his Jewish heritage stripped from him.
    If I was in a union, I would be pissed…

  67. http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/gingrich-2012-going-going-gone/?hp

    Gingrich 2012 – Going, Going, Gone
    By Russ Douthat

    Last week, New York magazine’s John Heilemann pointed out a deep truth about Newt Gingrich’s peculiar presidential campaign: The very media elite that Gingrich delights in hammering has actually been in his corner all along. The press likes a horse race; the press likes outsize personalities; the press favors an underdog; and the press even takes a strange sort of delight in being ruthlessly attacked.

    Of course most political reporters don’t want Gingrich in the White House. But they’ve had every incentive to keep him in the headlines and overrate his odds of defeating Mitt Romney for the nomination.

    Tuesday night’s Floridian drubbing won’t change those incentives, so we can expect a last burst of media chatter about how Gingrich could still recover, ride a wilderness campaign to a Super Tuesday comeback and fight Romney tooth and nail all the way to the convention. But chatter is all it will be. For Gingrich and his media enablers alike, the dream died in Florida – and here are four reasons why.

    If Gingrich can’t compete in Florida, he can’t compete nationally.

    To date, all of the Republican primary contests have been held in smallish states with distinctive demographic profiles. This made it possible to play up the significance of Gingrich’s convincing South Carolina victory, while downplaying Romney’s New Hampshire win as an independent-abetted, only-in-New-England fluke.

    But Florida’s primary was closed to independents, Florida’s electorate was as conservative and Tea Party-friendly (though not as evangelical-heavy) as South Carolina’s and Florida’s large senior population once looked like it would give Gingrich an edge. If the former speaker couldn’t even come close to beating Romney in such relatively favorable terrain, it’s hard to see how he can hope to compete with him anywhere outside the Deep South.

    The anti-Romney vote isn’t as big as Gingrich likes to think it is.

    As the Florida polls turned against them, Gingrich’s campaign began hinting that Rick Santorum should drop out of the race and give Gingrich a clear shot at consolidating conservatives against Romney. If Santorum weren’t in the race, one of Gingrich’s campaign chairmen in Florida told CNN on Monday, “we would clearly be beating Romney right now.”

    But as it turned out, Romney received as many votes as his two nearest rivals combined. And more importantly, pre-primary polls showed that without Santorum in the race, Romney would still have led Gingrich by a wide margin – as much as 16 points, according to an NBC/Marist poll. The fact that a majority of Republicans still have reservations about Romney, in other words, doesn’t mean that a majority would ever vote for Gingrich.

    Romney’s down-and-dirty Florida campaign eased right-wing doubts about his toughness.

    Romney hammered Gingrich in the debates, and then carpet-bombed him with negative advertisements. 68 percent of the ads that ran in Florida were negative spots attacking Gingrich, and Romney’s only positive ad was a Spanish-language spot that aired 15 times in total. While this gloves-off approach may have tarnished Romney’s image with swing voters, it helped reassure the many conservatives who were attracted to Gingrich because they want a no-holds-barred fighter for the fall campaign.

    As John Podhoretz wrote on Monday in the New York Post, Florida was a test of Romney’s mettle: “The clean-cut Boy Scout Ken-doll candidate from Massachusetts needed to show his fellow Republicans that he could be mean, tough and merciless on the attack — that he could take it to his rival and best him.” Consider that mission accomplished.

    Gingrich’s lackluster debate performances permanently undercut the strongest rationale for his candidacy.

    In truth, the idea that the former speaker’s skills as a debater would give him a significant general-election edge over President Obama was never particularly plausible. Still, many Republican primary voters seemed to be believe it: The promise of a Lincoln-Douglas-style showdown with the president has been one of Gingrich’s more effective rhetorical flourishes, and his showstopping performances in South Carolina were crucial to his upset victory.

    But it’s hard to see how Gingrich’s Master Debater reputation recovers from his poor showings in the debates in Florida. Even if he stays in the race long enough to get another crack at Romney, voters will always remember that he can be bested – that if you prick him, he might just bleed. Once lost, an aura of invincibility is an awfully hard thing to regain.

    Without his debating magic, Gingrich doesn’t have any cards left to play. He won Herman Cain’s endorsement in Florida, but it didn’t help his cause. Sarah Palin had his back, but it didn’t seem to matter. Sheldon Adelson funded his ads, but Romney still massively outspent him. Santorum could have dropped out, and Gingrich still would have lost by double-digits.

    There’s nobody waiting in the wings to help him, no endorsement or donation that can change the fundamentals of the race. If he keeps going now – and there’s every reason to think he will – he’ll be pinning his hopes on a deus ex machina. Every realistic path leads only to defeat.

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  68. I notice a lot of horse lovers here. You might want to visit this site every once in a while and see what our government is doing to these beautiful animals.

    http://rtfitchauthor.com/

    You can get the latest information ”Straight from the Horse’s Heart”.

  69. “FIRST LADY OF THE WORLD” TODAY.

    Public Schedule for February 1, 2012

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    February 1, 2012

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    10:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton attends the Foreign Service Institute Appeal of Conscience Foundation event, in Arlington, Virginia.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    11:30 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Kazakh Foreign Minister Yerzhan Kazykhanov, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEDING BILATERAL MEETING)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 11:00 a.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 11:15 a.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.

    2:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Singaporean Foreign Minister and Minister for Law K. Shanmugam, at the Department of State.
    (SIGNING CEREMONY AND JOINT PRESS AVAILABILITY FOLLOWING BILATERAL MEETING AT 2:35 PM)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 1:45 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 2:15 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.

    3:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEDING BILATERAL MEETING)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 2:30 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 2:45 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a meeting at the White House.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)

  70. First Lady Michelle Obama cites ‘remarkable progress’ on the economy

    “In the last 3 years, we’ve worked hard to get out of this mess and we’ve made some remarkable progress,” the First Lady told a group of about 135 supporters at a private campaign event for her husband. She listed President Obama’s accomplishments on healthcare reform, bringing home the troops from Iraq, the removal of troops from Iraq and the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, among other items on the list of “promises kept” touted by Obama’s re-election campaign.
    “We know there are people still suffering and there is a long road left to travel,” she continued, citing unfinished work as another reason to re-elect Obama.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/207885-michele-obama-cites-remarkable-progress-on-the-economy-
    ———————
    I’ve no idea who wrote this headline, nor do I know what was said to prompt Michelle’s comment here; but the whole piece a great example of why headline scanning is a dangerous sport.

  71. Leanora
    February 1st, 2012 at 6:44 am

    A similar tragedy is putting novice horse owners and horses together. It always ends up in a catastrophe where the horse is always to blame.
    _____________

    AmericanGal
    February 1st, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Interesting information related to the Rezko case–don’t know if this has been posted..
    _________

    Rumor has it that Watters and Cary smell a rat. They pose excellent questions that, obviously, MSM is not going to ask. The real question is what’s in this for Fitz?

  72. ‘Green light’ to see Obama’s Hawaii files

    ‘When somebody submits a copy … the other party has a right to examine the original’

    …….

    “They also sent a copy to the court of Judge Michael Malihi, the hearing officer, whose ruling is expected to be made available in the next few days.

    That act, Taitz explained, effectively gave the court a copy of the White House documentation, and under ordinary rules of evidence the opposing side is supposed to have access to the original to verify the authenticity of the purported copy.

    “They submitted a copy and said this is a copy of the original birth certificate. Now the other party has a right to examine the original,” she said.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/green-light-to-see-obamas-hawaii-files/

  73. For the dog lovers here…
    *******************

    February 1, 2012
    Barking up the wrong tree
    Mark J. Fitzgibbons

    As The Daily Caller reports, “The Obama campaign began targeting an oft-ignored demographic on Monday, creating ‘Pet Lovers for Obama,’ a Facebook group for people whose pets love Obama as much as they do.”
    Because of the economy, dog shelters are overcrowded. Pets are often abandoned by their owners who who’ve lost their jobs, lost their homes, and cannot afford to care for their beloved pets. People are sometimes forced to choose about where to spend limited and diminishing resources, and their pets become a “luxury” they can’t afford.
    Obama and his policies are a disaster, even for our little four-legged friends.
    What a shame, and what a shameless political campaign.
    Pet owners know that the pet food and supply industry had progressed remarkably. We now have healthier foods, higher quality health and medical options, and so many more products from which to choose.
    The free market had been good for pet owners and pets.
    Ask any pet owner. Their pets are considered “part of the family.” The anti-free market policies of President Obama are hurting people and their pets.
    If you love pets, you’d be silly to vote for Obama.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/02/barking_up_the_wrong_tree.html#ixzz1l8ywKOx6

  74. from ACE
    *****

    Great discussion here comparing the current Obamacare SCOTUS case with the steel mill seizure case in the 50s when Harry “the capitalism stops here” Truman seized Republic Steel. It was fully expected that the FDR court would allow the seizure, but it truly was a step too far, even for an FDR packed court. It took Truman by surprise. Folks, don’t look for today’s commies on the court to have that much integrity.

    http://is.gd/cYENkf

  75. Gingrich 2012 – Going, Going, Gone
    By Russ Douthat

    “There’s nobody waiting in the wings to help him…”

    I guess that leave me.

  76. Betty-

    Romney is getting alot of bad press for his scorched earth tactics in the Primary campaign. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.. From what I’ve heard, Gingrich is going all the way- So, he isn’t going away any time soon.

  77. Mrs. Smith
    February 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Betty-
    Romney is getting a lot of bad press
    —————-
    With a little more to come: he’s very recently said he’s not worried about the very poor. Being lambasted for that. It is out of context but I think it’s going to play very well. It was during an interview with Soledad. O’Brien?
    #####################
    Came here to announce that OhBlahBlah (borrowed from the PAC) is live now touting latest giveaway. Housing. Not suggesting that anyone tune it. I certainly got off as quickly as I could. Just want you to know what he’s up to.
    http://www.c-span.org/Events/President-to-Discuss-Housing-Initiatives/10737427770-1/

  78. 01.02.12

    Israel ranked second most educated country in the world, study shows
    According to OECD report, 78% of money invested in education is taken directly from public funds, while 45% of Israel’s population has completed post-secondary education.

    Israel is the second most educated country in the world, says a report released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

    According to the OECD’s Education at a Glance 2011 report, 78% of the money invested in education in Israel is taken directly from public funds, while 45% of Israel’s population has a university or college diploma.

    Israel also had the largest increase in overall population, approximately 19.02% from 2000 to 2009.

    The report shows that while education has improved across the board, it has not improved evenly, with some countries enjoying much greater rates of educational attainment than others.

    According to 24/7 Wall St., which helped compile the data, the countries included in the list have had educated populations for a long time. While they have steadily increased the percentages of their populations with post-secondary educations, the increases are modest compared to developing countries.

    According to the report, the ten most educated countries in the world are: Canada, Israel, Japan, US, New Zealand, South Korea, Norway, the United Kingdom, Australia, and Finland.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-ranked-second-most-educated-country-in-the-world-study-shows-1.410415

  79. ‘There is no better friend to Israel than Canada’: Baird

    Written by Atara Beck
    Tuesday, 31 January 2012

    JERUSALEM – “There is no better friend to Israel than Canada,” declared Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird at the inauguration of the new International Seminars Wing of the International School for Holocaust Studies at Yad Vashem. “Canada will not stand behind Israel; Canada will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Israel.”

    The remarks were made at the ceremony on Monday morning, which was also attended by local and international dignitaries, including Canadian Ambassador to Israel Paul Hunt, Israeli Education Minister Gideon Sa’ar and former Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel Yisrael Meir Lau, chair of the Yad Vashem Council.

    The new wing was generously supported by Canadian philanthropist and Holocaust survivor Joseph Gottdenker with Friends of Yad Vashem worldwide. It incorporates 11 new classrooms, a videoconference suite, conference rooms and auxiliary facilities, as well as a 330-seat lecture hall.

    “Yad Vashem is undoubtedly the most influential and active institution in safeguarding the memory of the Holocaust,” Gottdenker stated.

    Baird said this was his fourth visit to Israel as well as to Yad Vashem. He came with a Canadian delegation, which included MP Mario Silva and Fran Sonshine, national chair of the Canadian Society for Yad Vashem.

    “I’m not Jewish, but I have a rabbi – Chaim Mendelsohn [of Ottawa], Baird quipped, adding that the rabbi, who was also present, advises him well.

    Rabbi Lau noted that the date of the inauguration was “not a simple date,” because on Jan. 30, 1933, Adolph Hitler became the chancellor of Germany.

    “After all these years…in our Holy City, the capital Jerusalem, in Yad Vashem, we open this magnificent building to teach the story of the Holocaust, to analyze what happened – if we can analyze – to tell generations about the past…. This is not a coincidence. We are believers. We believe this date is very meaningful.

    “How did such an intelligent nation follow a demagogue like that who didn’t hide his beliefs? He had already published Mein Kampf…. How did it happen? This question is very deep and, unfortunately, relevant today.

    “It’s important to take seriously what everyone says,” he concluded. “The Holocaust tells us we must take it very seriously.”

    http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5476&Itemid=53

  80. Of course it was taken out of context, but of course he could have stated it more clearly… but the fraud, he can say anything, like calling Georgia “Russia”, no big deal by the MM… as usual…I also heard Michele Bachmann may be endorsing Romney
    ********

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said on Wednesday that he’s “not concerned about the very poor,” citing the social safety net in place for that segment of the populace and adding that he’s focused on the middle class.

    “I’m in this race because I care about Americans. I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I’ll fix it,” the Republican front-runner said Wednesday on CNN, following his victory in the Florida primary. “I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine. I’m concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90 percent, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling.”

  81. democrat1

    Obama’s eligibility – A constitutional crisis in the making

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    First step is to see if the judge has coconuts and will rule against a Sitting (on his ass) pResident.

    Barry and his attorney are too darn important and busy to even show up in court…if that isn’t punished, then the whole court system is bs.

  82. Top good news headline on Drudge:

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/gallup-state-numbers-predict-huge-obama-loss/352881

    Gallup state numbers predict huge Obama loss

    Gallup released their annual state-by-state presidential approval numbers yesterday, and the results should have 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue very worried. If President Obama carries only those states where he had a net positive approval rating in 2011 (e.g. Michigan where he is up 48 percent to 44 percent), Obama would lose the 2012 election to the Republican nominee 323 electoral votes to 215.

    Gallup adds:

    Overall, Obama averaged 44% job approval in his third year in office, down from 47% in his second year. His approval rating declined from 2010 to 2011 in most states, with Wyoming, Connecticut, and Maine showing a marginal increase, and Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Jersey, Arizona, West Virginia, Michigan, and Georgia showing declines of less than a full percentage point. The greatest declines were in Hawaii, South Dakota, Nebraska, and New Mexico.

  83. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/31/hurt-islamist-firster-president-not-what-he-claime/

    GOLAN HEIGHTS — Surveying the live minefields, cratered roads and mortar-pocked concrete buildings along the border here between Syria and Israel, it is hard not to be reminded of the historic and monumental disappointment President Obama has been.

    When he was campaigning to become the most powerful man in the last standing superpower on Earth, he spoke passionately about changing the world, restoring America’s greatness and bringing more peace and fairness to everyone.

    In both foreign and domestic matters, Mr. Obama had unique credibility to change things as few presidents ever had.

    Despite his background as a liberal street organizer, he campaigned on tax cuts and personal responsibility and preached that the government simply cannot be the answer to every problem. Republicans would have no choice but to go along with an agenda to shrink the tax burden and get the federal government out of our everyday lives.

    Instead, Mr. Obama has devoted his administration to raising taxes, adding to the byzantine structure of the federal government, and has created a whole new massive bureaucracy he claims really will cure our every little boo-boo.

    As for the rest of the world, Mr. Obama promised to devote himself to healing the grave injustices and halting the atrocities that have afflicted the world since the rise of radical, violent jihadism. With his Muslim roots, Mr. Obama was positioned better than any leader on the global stage to speak with authority to radical Islamists and finally bring about permanent peace.

    Instead, Mr. Obama chose to unilaterally alienate perhaps our most strategically important ally in the world and do all he can to cozy up to the very people who are dedicated to destroying not only Israel, but America as well.

    Leading Democrats have been in the news lately sliming Americans who stick up for Israel as being “Israel Firsters.” Well, Mr. Obama has become an “Islamist Firster.”

    Since becoming president, he has not once visited our greatest ally in the region. Rather, he has gone to places like Cairo to tell the Muslim world how much he likes it. He also stunningly trashed the oath of office he took by saying it is “part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

    And, of course, he apologized for the “sexuality” and “mindless violence” from the West permeating the Internet. But Internet porn and creepy videos are little match for virginity tests, stoning women and beheading Jews — all for the fun of it.

    When Mr. Obama finally addressed Israel, he shockingly said the tiny country should further retrench so its well-armed enemies can retake high ground from which to fire rockets at Israelis and move closer so they can hit major population centers such as Tel Aviv.

    Such a twisted and half-baked view of justice is bad enough in a president. But things are about to get much more terrifying when Iran finally gets its hands on a nuclear warhead, which appears likely to happen in a matter of months.

    It will be a very complicated situation because the most powerful man in the last remaining superpower on the planet is an Islamist Firster.

  84. (and this is from an obot leaning news station, ABC)

    Romney and Obama: What If Two Unelectable Candidates Square Off in 2012

    [snip]

    After a bruising negative campaign that has become considerably bitter and personal, Romney is now down to his lowest favorability rating ever among the key voting group of independents. In the latest ABC News polling, 51 percent of independents rate Romney unfavorably and only 23 percent favorably – a whopping net negative rating of 28 percentage points. A candidate in this territory can’t win in a normal general election.

    President Obama also faces bleak prospects. His approval rating (which history shows is a pretty good indicator of the vote he would draw on Election Day) is 42% among independent voters. That is a number that wouldn’t win a president re-election in any regular time. Add to that low consumer confidence numbers, high unemployment, and the large percentage of people who say the country’s headed in the wrong direction, and you wouldn’t put much money on the incumbent.

    But someone has to win, and in the spring of 1992, a similar situation appeared. Bill Clinton emerged battered and bruised from the Democratic primary with a large number of voters viewing him unfavorably, and the incumbent president was unelectable when you looked at his job approval numbers. So Ross Perot appeared and actually led some national polls until he showed he wasn’t ready for prime time. Clinton unified his party at the Democratic convention in New York, and then never trailed.

    In a race between two theoretically unelectable candidates, anything is possible. Could a third party candidate emerge? Yes. Could Romney unify the Republicans? Very possible. Could Obama get a lift from an improving economy? Sure.

    We won’t know any of those answers for quite a while, but it is sure going to be fun to watch this contest unfold.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/romney-and-obama-what-if-two-unelectable-candidates-square-off-in-2012/

  85. I heard today (and read) that Romney ran 13,000 ads in Florida to 200 by Newt.

    Scorched earth gone wild.

    But, honestly, I LIKE that he went all ruthless on Newt if it means he will do the same and more to BO.

    As far as the money inequality – that’s the name of the game. No matter how unfair most of us here probably think it is it’s the way of politrix and Newt has to be fully aware of that tiny detail.

    I want a ruthless SOB smear attack against BO and if Romney is the one who can bankroll such a campaign then so be it.

    OTOH, this race is far from over. Candidates need almost 1200 delegates and that can’t even happen until the end of March, at the earliest.

    Personally, I am glad MR had a good night. Now all 3 of the major candidates has a solid impressive win under their belts. Newt owned South Carolina, Santorum pulled it out in Iowa and Romney ruled in Florida.

    (I’m not really counting NH because that was a given for MR).

    I was also impressed with Paul’s impassioned speech last night as well as Santorum’s magnanimous demeanor and his emphasis on the issues rather than the personalities.

    Newt was brilliant but petty.

    So let the battle continue and hopefully the attacks on BO will take center stage as the campaign grinds on.

  86. Gallup state numbers predict huge Obama loss

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    That is great news admin, I just hope it becomes confirmed this November.

  87. Basil99

    So let the battle continue and hopefully the attacks on BO will take center stage as the campaign grinds on.

    ——
    Yup, I hope Trump, Sarah, Cain, Wilberrrr, Newt and the gang keep hammering on BO and his false promises and lack of success too.

  88. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now Newt saying he won’t challenge BO to a sing-off because he wants to be the CIC, not the entertainer in chief is . . . . . . yup . . . . RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow lambasted Newt Gingrich’s speech in Florida tonight, criticizing him for singling out President Obama’s singing. “Newt Gingrich brought back the food stamps president thing — and then tonight, he went to ‘President Obama ought to stop singing, ought to stop being the Entertainer-in-Chief.’ Sort of caricaturing him in a way that calls out to minstrelsy!”

    RELATED: Newt Gingrich: ‘If Obama Is Re-Elected, It Will Be A Disaster For The U.S.’

    “He’s going after a southern mentality, and racial allusions, always wrapped around when he refers to the president, when he talks about this food stamp stuff,” MSNBC anchor Rev. Al Sharpton observed. “These are — Newt Gingrich is many things, stupid is not one of them. He knows exactly what he’s saying, he knows exactly who he’s playing to, when you look at that map, when you deal with the northern border of Florida, which is southern Alabama, he knows what card he’s playi

  89. Donald Trump jumped into the Apple-China manufacturing debate Tuesday, calling for Apple CEO Tim Cook to make Apple products in the U.S.

    ——
    Good.

  90. Barry and his attorney are too darn important and busy to even show up in court…

    ===================

    Or scared to. If Obama showed up, so would the news media. And the fact that a SC has already ruled that a NBC needs two citizen parents might become news.

    Odd that he didn’t at least send a low profile representative. Maybe they are very scared?

  91. “Rachel Maddow is such an idiot.”

    Agreed. She is such an arrogant smug pontificating blowhard. Bet her feelings were really hurt the other day when her name came up in a Jeopardy trivia question and not one of the contestants knew who she was.

    Tee-hee-hee.

  92. More Evidence of Obama Fundraising Decline (Wall Street Insider Related)

    by Ulsterman

    While President Obama is raising re-election cash – the levels have dropped, and particularly powerful donors appear to be moving away from the president enough to be causing increasing concern within the Obama campaign.

    A just-published National Journal article titled “Obama Fundraising Advantage Disappearing” does a more than credible job of revealing just how worrisome the reduction in campaign cash reality vs expectation is becoming for the president and his re-election team:

    …But the outside Democratic groups, especially the party’s newly-created super PACs, haven’t given him much in the way of reinforcements. The Democratic National Committee has $12.6 million cash-on-hand to assist. But Priorities USA banked a meager $1.5 million, receiving money from just 42 individual donors in the last six months. The party’s congressional super PACs — Majority PAC and House Majority PAC — also didn’t bank much, $1.3 million and $1.17 million, respectively.

    … Romney’s super PAC, Restore Our Future, banked $23.6 million at the end of the year, thanks to funding from venture capitalists aligned with Romney. American Crossroads, which is poised to play an outsized role in the presidential race, ended the year with $15.6 million cash-on-hand. And the RNC ended the year with more cash-on-hand than the DNC, banking $20 million. All told, that adds up to $79.1 million – and it doesn’t include the cash-on-hand from Crossroads GPS, which doesn’t file with the Federal Election Commission. But based on Crossroads’ announced fundraising totals, it’s logical to assume that they have around $15 million on-hand.

    …It’s a far cry from the vision of a billion-dollar Obama re-election campaign bankroll that Democratic strategists are now downplaying.

  93. Hmmmmmmmm…….

    Now THIS is very interesting, IMHO.

    Illinois candidate kicked off ballot for not meeting eligibility requirements.

    A suburban Democratic candidate for Congress is ineligible to hold that office because he hasn’t been a U.S. citizen long enough, records show.

    Aloys Rutagwibira, 53, of Hainesville is a native of Rwanda who became a naturalized American citizen July 6, 2006, according to voter registration records acquired by the Daily Herald.

    Congressional service requires seven years of citizenship, under the Constitution. Rutagwibira won’t be eligible until July 2013.

    Rutagwibira is one of five candidates seeking the Democratic nomination for the 10th District seat now held by Republican Bob Dold.

    Rutagwibira has not returned multiple telephone calls requesting interviews. He also failed to attend a scheduled candidate interview session Tuesday at the Daily Herald office in Libertyville.

  94. Aloys Rutagwibira should have asked Barry for help, his bros could have whipped up a multi-layer document for him and scrubbed all of his history.

  95. Man Claims He Signed 80 Walker Recall Petitions

    12 News Looks Into Recall Signature Rules

    POSTED: 11:02 pm CST December 8, 2011
    UPDATED: 11:28 pm CST December 8, 2011

    MILWAUKEE, Wis. — A man told 12 News that he has signed as many as 80 petitions to recall Gov. Scott Walker.
    The man had the following exchange with 12 News’ Kent Wainscott on Thursday:
    Man: “I think I signed about 80 times.”
    Wainscott: “You’ve signed 80 petitions, you think?”
    Man: “I signed a lot of them for the past two weeks. I’ve been seeing them at the Grand Avenue Mall. Out here by Pick ‘n Save and stuff like that.”
    Wainscott: “Well, you know they’re only going to count one of your signatures?”
    Man: “Oh well. Whatever it takes to get Scott Walker out of here, I’m happy.”
    Wainscott: “That means signing repeatedly?”
    Man: “Yeah. They cheated for Bush, so hey, I’m going to cheat to get Scott Walker out of here.”
    Wisconsin’s Government Accountability Board in Madison polices the recall process. The Board’s director said the legality of signing multiple petitions really comes down to intent.
    “If a person is signing this with the intent of artificially inflating the number of signatures that are going to be turned in, or if they’re signing it to argue these petitions are riddled with fraud, because anybody can do this, then they’re committing fraud on the process,” said Director Kevin Kennedy.
    So, if someone signs a recall petition but later worries that petition might not be legit, he or she can sign another one. That’s different from signing dozens of different petitions, hoping to sneak in some extra signatures, according to the director.

    Read more: http://www.wisn.com/politics/29958007/detail.html#ixzz1lABqpTlb

  96. Shadowfax
    February 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    I was just looking at Intel, rated a top 100 company. 44K people in US, 40K people outside of US. Knowing a little bit about this company in the US they are only hiring Engineers or Tech, completely freezing out all other types of employees. It is know that when they lay off they do NOTHING to help their employees get a job, yet they are ranked 49 out of 100 of the best companies to work for.

    This compared to Wegman Groceries ranked 6th, never had a layoff, and they find a job a person likes somewhere in the area and in the company. Surely if a Grocery store could do this, intel could do it.

  97. Mrs. Smith
    February 1st, 2012 at 11:14 am

    and

    holdthemaccountable
    February 1st, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I just can’t help it, I feel if Mitt Romney wins the nomination we have lost.

  98. Mrs Smith and holdthemaccountable, the reason I opened a comment was to thank both of you and I side tracked myself. So thanks, I was feeling kinda alone this morning.

  99. NMF

    Surely if a Grocery store could do this, intel could do it.

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    One would hope, but it is cut throat out there now.

    The tech companies used to be great to their employees, I have been to Apple Corp. and it’s pretty nice there, but…talk about lock down facility…like nothing I have ever seen before, and even knowing folks that work there, it is next to impossible getting a job unless you have tech skills up the whaaaazoo.

  100. I just watched the video admin placed up top…about the woman talking to Barry about her husband not being able to find a permanent tech job for 3 years.

    Barry had to stutter as he listened to his TOTUS ear piece and fight from saying, “…well, I guess your husband is just another lazy American. How about some food stamps?”

  101. [Palin] was a force in 2010 elections but I think that has diminished.

    =====================

    It makes sense for her to stand back till a GOP nominee is selected. Presumbaly if Romney is selected she’d prefer him to Obama, so she wouldn’t want to hurt his chances by criticizing him too much. But she does seem to favor Gingrich, so she’s supporting G more quietly than usual.

    As for her ‘quitting’ as Governor — are you familiar with the recent law that makes an Alaska governor very vulnerable to nuisance ethics charges, and what her opponents were doing with it? A sitting governor has to pay his own legal bills, no help from the state. The Palins were being bankrupted by nuisance charges, all from the same person or group,iirc.

  102. Betty, keep the faith. The ultimate goal is to defeat Obama. The primary season is not over. We may have to vote for someone that we currently view as less likely to defeat Obama, but defeating Obama is what needs to happen above all else. If Romney (or even Newt) wins, they will also have to be accountable to the voters. No more winning elections only to ignore the voters who elected you.

  103. Betty
    February 1st, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Gingrich 2012 – Going, Going, Gone
    By Russ Douthat

    “There’s nobody waiting in the wings to help him…”

    I guess that leave me.
    ————

    If I weren’t a Canadian, you could count on me to help him as well. The very idea of Romney going forward makes me sick to my stomach.

  104. however i draw the line at actually supporting G, the man…yes, it is one thing if you believe he can beat O and that is the motivation…but to actually support this guy…to believe in him…on a hillary site, no i can never accept that…

    =====================

    Bravo. And it’s not just Gingrich’s personality, which might be distorted by a hostile media. It’s Gingrich’s policies that some people seem to be accepting, throwing Hillary’s (and Bill’s) policies out with the ‘Dim’ bathwater.

  105. “The very idea of Romney going forward makes me sick to my stomach.”

    Honestly, I can’t understand why in the world you would make such a comment, especially as someone who can’t vote in the U.S. election.

    Do you know something we don’t? DO you honestly think Newt is a better choice? Please tell.

    That is an awfully harsh statement.

    I may not like all the repub candidates but none of them make me feel nearly as “sick to my stomach” as BO. So what’s the deal? Who would you NOT be “sick to your stomach” about?

  106. If Romney (or even Newt) wins, they will also have to be accountable to the voters. No more winning elections only to ignore the voters who elected you.

    ====================

    Why do you think R or G would be more accountable to the voters than any other winners have been? Especially to those voters who are PUMAs voting ‘Anyone But Obama’?

  107. Betty,it’s a horrible journey we trod these days; bound to have some downers. I never thought I was taking our Republic for granted, but now I’m so incredibly aware of how precious it is.
    ###############
    In response to tdo up a few, re reporters in GA hearing:
    At http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/media_blackout_in_obama_georgia_ballot_eligibility_case.html#ixzz1l3KvmjXT blogger Cindy Simpson wrote this: …Even though I saw reporters from every major network on the scene, the actual reporting of the event was scant — primarily only in blogs or local news. Google “Georgia Ballot Challenge” and note the non-mainstream coverage of the event. Rachel Maddow must not have gotten the memo, though, because she dedicated a full 8 minutes of her January 26 show to telling her viewers why they should “feel almost duty-bound as a patriot to ignore” the hearing and not to “dignify this nonsense or elevate it by paying it any attention.” Not only were none of the legal points addressed in the hearings brought up by Maddow, but Maddow excused the extraordinary fact that Obama and his counsel, instead of respecting the law, had simply snubbed it, calling the case “ridiculous….”

  108. At http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/media_blackout_in_obama_georgia_ballot_eligibility_case.html#ixzz1l3KvmjXT blogger Cindy Simpson wrote this: …Even though I saw reporters from every major network on the scene, the actual reporting of the event was scant — primarily only in blogs or local news.

    =============================

    Okay, the reporters showed up but didn’t report anything. 😉 However if Obama had been there, they might not get away with ignoring the case.

    Maybe they were there in case Obama did show up, or in case something really interesting happened.

  109. Someone reported yesterday’s stock market loss with this spin: January’s market performance is the highest of the 21st century. SURELY they jest? Or overwhelming the mindset of undecided Oh voters?

  110. I really wish those who are so rabidly anti-Romney would post specific arguments about why he is any worse than the other repubs.

    Right now, I just don’t see it. They are all flawed, they all have baggage, none of them are perfect BUT at least I feel all 4 current candidates care about this country, would have the interests of American citizens at heart, would cut down on the spending, the redistribution, the out-of-control EPA and anti-business regulations, improve civility, keep taxes in check and for the most part (except for Paul), pursue foreign policy goals which reward America’s friends and stops supporting America’s enemies.

    They all have basically the same agenda. The main difference, I find, is style over substance.

    And for that we are all entitled to our individual opinions. But just because a certain candidate is more attractive to some than others doesn’t mean any of them should be “demonized” as causing nausea in those who are really committed to an ABO strategy.

    And as far as what any of the so-called “pundits” or talking heads or experts say, WTF do they know? Look at how wrong they have been in the past? No one has a crystal ball and no one can say with much certainty who has the best chance of beating BO. For god’s sake, I would even give Paul a good shot at beating him. The point is to put someone up against him, support the candidate and get the POS out of the white house.

    IMHO, of course.

  111. Someone reported yesterday’s stock market loss with this spin: January’s market performance is the highest of the 21st century. SURELY they jest?

    ====================

    Maybe they’re trying to jest but got confused? Some people count 2000-2009 as part of the 20th century, so this wording might have flown in Jan 2011.

  112. Betty,

    I read about the reporters showing up and not reporting on the case.

    As a small-town reporter I can tell you absolutely it was deliberate. Either the reporter decided NOT to write the story or the editor didn’t like the outcome or the facts and told the reporter NOT to write the story.

    It was not some fluke. It was a deliberate attempt to bury an inconvenient story.

  113. gonzotx
    February 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Man Claims He Signed 80 Walker Recall Petitions

    What a surprise. NOT.

    Makes one think about voter registration laws and the importance of showing ID in order to vote.

  114. The very idea of Romney going forward makes me sick to my stomach.

    =====================

    Maybe that was a typo? Gingrich making Hillary fans sick would make sense.

  115. “Let’s see if the Illinois Board of Elections will be more forgiving to Obama when they hear his eligibility cases tomorrow.”

    Well,we can pray. Wouldn’t that be something if they ruled against him? (Not going to hold my breath).

  116. ‘or in case something really interesting happened.”

    What happened was not only interesting, it was historic.

  117. td,

    please don’t feel that you have to monitor/judge every single post that comes on this site.

    it must be very tiring for you and we wouldn’t want that.

  118. What happened was not only interesting, it was historic.

    ===============

    I hope so. But I wish Orly wasn’t muddying the waters. The argument about ‘two citizen parents’ uses Obama’s own statement (and the BC he claims) as its evidence (that his father was NOT a citizen).

    The accepted BC is the strongest evidence of BO NOT being a natural born citizen (by that old SC ruling).

  119. For god’s sake, I would even give Paul a good shot at beating him.

    ——-

    😉 Now, now…I like Ron Paul, and he is doing a good job stealing the kids votes from Barry, he is at least doing well at that.

    He doesn’t have the support of the GOP, possibly being an outsider Libertarian, so he is out there in left field…so to speak. Folks make fun of him because he isn’t mainstream…part of his appeal to me.

    I also took an online ‘test’ on what party I found most appealing…it said, Libertarian. I thought, that the heck is that? Well, now I am seeing why Ron Paul appeals to me.

    😉

  120. Well, yeah, Paul IS in left field but I honestly think that if he did get the repub nod he could beat BO. I think the POS is very weak. And he is not used to all this criticism.

    Paul does have some great moments.

    Anyway, if he can bring the youth vote to the repubs after he’s invited to speak at the convention and gets some of his strategies on the agenda – especially the ones about the Fed – than I say you go Paul.

  121. Palin has been disappointing with her comments. Her support for Newt obviously flopped big time in Fla. and she seems embarrassed imo. She needs to get behind Romney and bring the Tea people along.

  122. My email box is getting bombarded with spam to HELP Obama, they are sure acting more desperate than usual right now.

  123. jbstonesfan,

    Palin has been getting on my nerves, lately.

    Time to exit stage left, at least for the next couple of acts.

  124. Very interesting.

    I’m listening to Morris and he is saying MR won Florida primarily because of a huge gender gap. He said MR won women voters in Fl. by more than 20%.

    That was not the case in SC.

    Morris can be a real jerk but he often provides some fascinating analysis.

    He also theorizes the Marianne Gingrich interview ultimately hurt Newt.

    Food for thought.

  125. Newt Gingrich’s lady luck has run out in Florida, according to exit polls.

    Gingrich, who won the women’s vote in South Carolina earlier this month, lost the female vote Tuesday night to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by a 22 percentage point margin. Romney also won men, but by a much smaller 5-point margin. (RELATED: Full coverage of the Florida primary)

    According to exit polls by Fox News, females accounted for 49 percent of the vote, males made up 51 percent.

    Among women, Texas Rep. Ron Paul won six percent, Gingrich won 29 percent, Romney won 51 percent and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum 13 percent.

    Among men, Paul won 9 percent, Gingrich won 36 percent, Romney won 41 percent, and Santorum received 12 percent of the vote.

    Married women, who made up 33 percent of the electorate, also came out in droves for Romney. Among married women, six percent voted for Paul, 28 percent came out for the thrice-married Gingrich, 51 percent voted Romney and Santorum got 13 percent.

    Married men, 40 percent of voters, were more evenly dived between Romney and Gingrich. Nine percent voted Paul, Gingrich got 35 percent, Romney won 37 percent and Santorum pulled in 14 percent.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/31/women-abandon-gingrich-this-time-by-22-point-margin/#ixzz1lAfGz0u1

  126. Feinstein leaking again?

    What is Senator Feinstein Up To? (White House Insider Related)

    by Ulsterman on February 1, 2012 with 15 Comments in News

    Yet another example of Senator Feinstein’s seeming anti-Obama administration “mistake” has taken place – this time revealing potential plans for future attacks against Iran.

    A meeting between the director of Israel’s highly secretive intelligence organization – Mossad, was held recently in Washington D.C. in which potential plans for military strikes against Iran were discussed in some detail. Feinstein, as Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman attended the meeting, as well as CIA director David Petraeus.

    And how then did such an important and normally secret meeting become public knowledge?

    Senator Feinstein remarked on it during a publicly broadcast Senate hearing. Either her disclosure was a rather startling error – or yet another calculated political move by one of the most powerful members of the U.S. Senate. Readers may recall when Feinstein created a similar stir by announcing the death of Osama Bin Laden before President Obama had an opportunity to do so – an event that took place during a memorial for her longstanding political operative Kam Kuwata.

    The events surrounding that story can be found HERE

  127. Yea, they are cute together.

    When the kids kept cheering last night, he looked at her and gave her a, “This is pretty amazing, huh?” look…

    I also liked it when he said to his crowd, about a week or so ago…he got this spookie look on his face, waving his hands like jazz hands and said, “It makes me chuckle when the media says that I am really scarey”. He laughs and says it again…adding that the media is also afraid of his supporters…

  128. And remember, DiFI is a huge HRC supporter.

    A comment from that article.

    Molly Pitcher
    February 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Diane Feinstein has been in politics since Soetero has been in short pants – quite literally. If anyone knows where the bodies are buried, it’s DiFi. She has buckets of power and a personal fortune. In their hamfisted attempt at “warning” her last Fall with the theft of her campaign funds, and the curious “natural death” of her good friend – this administration has racked up a formidable opponent. And I’m as sure as breathing that she knew exactly what that was all about. Neither incidents can be proven to be connected with the current administration, but Diane isn’t stupid – this is definitely NOT her first rodeo.

    We lived in SF when Moscone was murdered and DiFi became mayor – and after that she was reelected on her own merits. Politics aside, she’s respected as a straight shooter and I don’t think she’ll buckle under pressure. She’s exerting pressure, and this is most interesting to watch unfold…

  129. BASIL99

    Feinstein leaking again?

    —–

    I saw that and kinda wanted to protect her by not passing it on…

  130. And remember, DiFI is a huge HRC supporter.

    Yuppers she is, she is one of the only Dems I still love. She is my senator.

  131. Sorry Admin, didn’t see that you had posted the Gallup report earlier…

    Great headline though–worth repeating…

  132. Yipes, it’s getting nasty out there…and this is in a Republican primary.

    Just wait until Barry gets his bros out there with Jack boots…

    The Ron Paul campaign is demanding that Newt Gingrich pay the medical bills for Eddie Dillard, a Paul supporter whose foot was broken Tuesday after Gingrich staffers intentionally stomped on it.

    Campaigning at a Florida polling place Tuesday, Gingrich was greeted by Dillard, who held his Paul sign as Gingrich supporters rallied around their candidate.

    Gingrich staffers were not pleased with this and, according to a report by Yahoo! News’ Chris Moody, encouraged one another to physically impede the flip-flop wearing Dillard.

    One Gingrich security staffer stood in front of Dillard and, according to Moody, “lifted his heeled shoe over Dillard’s bare foot and dug the back of it into his skin, twisting it side-to-side like he was stomping out a cigarette.”

    “Just block him!” said another Gingrich campaign aide. “Everyone step on his toes!”

    Following the event, Dillard realized that a bruise was forming on his foot.

    In a statement released after the incident Tuesday, Jesse Benton, national campaign chairman for the Paul campaign, demanded a swift response from Gingrich.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/01/paul-campaign-newt-must-pay-medical-bills-after-staffers-break-paul-supporters-foot/#ixzz1lAieU5NU

  133. HRC met the POS at Feinstein ’s


    Yup, rumor has it that he asked her to be VP and she said ‘NO’, possibly started talking about the SOS job?

  134. I think these super-pacs are wrong and nasty, but it’s payback to Barry’s illegal contributions and union dues give to their dear leader.

    ——-

    Super-Pacs erode Obama’s advantage

    Republicans are rapidly eroding the huge funding advantage that propelled Barack Obama into the White House, with wealthy donors flooding new conservative campaign groups with cash before the presidential election in November.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c7529cb8-4cd9-11e1-8b08-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1lAl8MwnY

  135. Sorry for off topic posts but Shadowfax, did you see this info and are/were you aware of it?

    This is freaky. From ulsterman comments.

    All we can know about Granny’s death is that she was reported to have died the day before the election, right? And none of Obama’s family of wife/children visited her in her last weeks and none went to her funeral.

    Obama, though made several trips to Hawaii before the election and the timing was very, very careful. This blog…

    http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html

    recalls the timeline of Obama’s trips to Hawaii before the election and the problem Obama had – the Hawaii Dem party’s Brian Schatz was going to keep Obama off the Hawaiian ballot because Obama had refused to provide original evidence of a Hawaiian birth. As a result 2 entirely different OCONs (official certification of nomination) were prepared (by Pelosi after steamrolling Schatz) and one type went to 49 states and the other became Hawaii’s OCON.

  136. What’s up with this?

    FL and NY have only 29 elec. votes, TX has 38 and CA has 56?

    Too bad CA doesn’t get to vote until June when the (R) primary is over.

  137. Yes, Mrs. S,

    Florida has 29 electoral votes and 50 republican delegates for the repub convention. They would have had 99 but lost half because they moved up their primary.

    Interesting post upthread about how if the election were held today BO would lose to any repub by a count of roughly 200 to 338 electoral votes. (Something like that).

    Let’s hope his numbers continue to tank.

  138. What’s up with this?

    I agree, the way the primaries are run is bizarre and in many cases (like 2008) unrepresentative of real voter sentiment. For the life of me I do not understand why Iowa and New Hampshire, South Carolina and even Florida have so much of an advantage. There has to be a better way, like having two or three national primary dates with all states having to sign up for one. The system stinks and is too easily gamed, especially the caucuses.

  139. My prediction is this: Bain Capital will be the bane of Mitt Romney- There’s plenty of material for digging and muckraking profiling the crook Romney really is.. Precicely why everyone is saying theres NO difference between Romney and Obama!
    ________________

    Conservatives Won’t Have Romney Shoved Down Their Throats

    If former House Speaker Newt Gingrich continues in the Republican primaries, not only is he doing more good than harm, he may be the only candidate left who can save the Republican Party.

    The Republican establishment is bound and determined that it is going to impose a Mitt Romney on us. Conservatives do not want former Gov. Mitt Romney.

    You see, we have danced this dance before. We had Sen. John McCain shoved down our throats in 2008. How did that work out for us? We have George W. Bush, who barely won his races, and before that we had former Sen. Bob Dole, who blew it, and George H.W. Bush, who could not win re-election against an unknown governor from Arkansas!

    We conservatives have had it.

    [See a collection of political cartoons on Mitt Romney.]

    The conservative and Tea Party bloc of the Republican Party supports Newt Gingrich.

    We conservatives held our noses and voted for John McCain in 2008. That did it for us. We are not doing it in 2012. The Tea Party overwhelmingly supports Gingrich over Romney. One exit poll showed Gingrich getting 45 percent of the Tea Party vote versus 14 percent for Romney.

    Gingrich is the only one in the race who has a chance of uniting the Republican Party. If Romney wins the nomination, a quarter and a half of the Tea Party voters say they will not vote him in the general election. That is a ticket to defeat.

    By staying in the race, Newt holds out the possibility of saving the Republican Party. With a significant number of conservatives willing sit out the presidential race if our choice is between a liberal Republican and a liberal Democrat, that make the race unwinnable for Romney. More ominous for the GOP is talk in some conservative circles of a third party. Mitt Romney can make that happen. Newt Gingrich, by staying in, delays and possibly prevents the Republican Party from fracturing into two parties.

    http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/will-newt-gingrich-do-the-gop-more-harm-than-good-by-staying-in-the-2012-race/conservatives-wont-have-romneys-shoved-down-their-throats

  140. Why is Sarah Palin being mocked and abused?

    Because the Tea-Party supports Newt- I give Mama Grizzley big kudos for stepping up and supporting her conscience. The He double hockey sticks with everyone who doesn’t like it- Hear that, NQ?

  141. I can tell you when I visited Texas last November.. The Tea-Party is alive and well. They adore Todd and Sarah Palin- And theres not just a handful of them… they are networked from Lubbock to Corpus… They are well armed and ready for the worst, with food storage supplies and water lasting 3-6 mos.

  142. There’s nothing wrong with Sarah Palin, and that’s what bothers her critics. She marches to her own drum. Big threat is that.

  143. turndownobama, if I remember correctly, Bill Clinton made comments not favorable to the Tea Party. In effect, he made those comments about me.

    I see a pattern in your comments, which use Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton as a means to stop discussing anything that you personally find unfavorable to your own beliefs. Fine, but as you can see, you won’t be able to control a comments section as you seem to appear to want to do. You also seem to believe that all Clinton supporters had to march lockstep with everything that the Clinton’s supported. Sorry, but I am pretty sure that you can find many more people like me who voted for them, even with the knowledge that I didn’t agree with them 100% of the time. I didn’t realize that there was some kind of turndownobama litmus test of what is permissible and not permissible to believe, promote, or discuss on a blog that you do not even write.

  144. nomobama
    February 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    There’s nothing wrong with Sarah Palin, and that’s what bothers her critics. She marches to her own drum. Big threat is that.
    ____________

    What I don’t understand is… How can they support Sarah one minute and Dish Out such hateful epithets at her the next?

    To me, that is a sign of mental illness at worst or jealous pettiness at best.

    I was never a full fledged supporter of Sarah’ but I didn’t hate her or volley mean spirited insults at her.. She was always OK in my book.

    Like you said, nomobama… she marches to her own drummer. I respect her for that. She is a great example of an ALL American Patriot and isn’t embarrassed to put that patriotism on display.

  145. BASIL99

    You must check this. It is very dense and I have not finished reading it but it is fascinating.

    ——–
    That’s a boat load of stuff and so far, it is very interesting.

    Let’s just say that Barry and his history is a scam…which I think is quite possible to say the least, what happens if he does not win the 2012 election? Will people continue to dig into his history and what if he is some outsider that wasn’t legally able to be Prez? What then?

    I thought info on the internet can never be completely erased?

    What a freaking mess.

  146. Basil, I have posted reasons why I find Romney less worthy of my support. I could post a link about the Romney years in Massachusetts that show he was as liberal or more liberal that the Democrats who control that state. That’s my big beef. I don’t want a liberal leading the country. I want someone who will control spending, and most liberals have a big problem with that concept. I suspect, and it’s just a guess, that many people who are Democrats against Obama, or who have left the Democratic party because of Obama feel comfortable with Romney because he is more like what they would normally support. I am not of that group. I tend to favor conservative over liberal, and that’s just my nature. I would have been considered a conservative Democrat, many who have left the party a long time ago. I used to consider them traitors, but now I understand why they left. The Dimocratic party is no party of mine any longer, even if I remain a registered Democrat. I will be changing that eventually.

  147. I confess that having never considered myself a republican and, prior to 2008, been registered as a dim, I never delved that far into the distinctions among repubs, eg moderate, conservative, evangelicals,etc.

    When I registered Indy in 2008 and voted McCain it was because of my horror at a BO presidency.

    While still Indy, I will vote ABO in 2012. But I fail to understand the overt hostility aimed at MR. I have plenty of negative impressions of Newt but I do not post them as I feel it is personal and gossipy with no real place in an adult discussion of policy.

    Some of the stuff posted here recently reminds me of DU in 2008 with the absolutely rabid comments aimed at HRC.

    I didn’t like it in 2008 and honestly I do not like it now aimed at anyone other than BO who, IMHO, has earned every bit of insulting critique and disparaging language thrown his way.

    I get that some here hate MR. Many also hate Newt. I do not hate either. So MR won last night. Newt won ten days ago. Either could win in February. As long as it is NOT BO elected, as admin said, who cares who it is.

    And I don’t understand trying to convince/pressure/egg posters into hating one candidate over another. I just don’t see the Newt/Mitt race as black and white. (NO – I didn’t mean that in a racist way!)

    I wish those who are so anti-Romney would provide a detailed analysis and comparison of the differences between the two candidates and why one is the devil incarnate and the other is not.

    I get the tea party does not like MR. But while I personally appreciate the tea party there are many, even within the repub party from what I understand, who detest them.

    I really wish this site would stop bashing candidates and repeating mean-spirited descriptions and stick to the issues, like Santorum says. It almost feels like it’s a deeply personal competition going on, that if you don’t like the candidate I like the most then you must also dislike me. Like high school mean girls.
    It’s like the awful, mud-slinging, mean-spirited Axelrod/Favreau/BO approach to campaigning.

    Oh well, that’s just my two cents.

    And I reiterate, while I am glad MR won last night it would not have fazed me in the least had it been Newt.

    And who knows, at this rate it really could be Santorum who pulls it out of his butt just because the other two (not including Paul) seem to have inspired such relentless hatred.

    Look, I confess to having felt many of these emotions in 2008 when HRC was so clearly and unfairly robbed of the nomination but in the repub primary, to quote admin, “Whatever happens, meh. NoBama!”

  148. Mrs. Smith, they learned well from where they came.

    I consider Sarah Palin one of the premier patriots on the political scene. I have tremendous respect for someone who has been bashed for all different directions over beliefs that I find almost centrist in many respects. She accomplished things that most politicians only give lip service to, and calling her a hypocrite is disingenuous. You do realize that the orders have been given out from the Romney camp to destroy the competition whatever it takes. Yes, it’s brutal, but they may just screw themselves in the process. The elite may control the Republican party, and I think it is fair to say that the majority of Republicans are not from that class. They are American flags, apple pie, going to church, Norman Rockwell type people. They just may rebel if they are pushed too hard. I saw the comments about the so-called religious fundamentalist or whatever other words were used to describe them, and some of their support for Romney. Many of them probably have done so, and this is just a guess, because there has been a massive drumbeat from the media to support Romney because he is the only one that can win against Øbama. I don’t buy that thought at all, but money talks, and is of great importance in running campaigns, and the airwaves are saturated with everything Romney. I know that Newt is unpalatable to many, yet I think his fighting skills are exactly what is needed. I am starting to think that it is a given that Romney will be the nominee because that is the way “they” want it, just like “they” wanted Øbama in 2008. It’s 2008 all over again in some respects.

    Like Sarah, I want the process to continue, just like it continued for Hillary Clinton in 2008. What’s wrong with that? Why should a tiny fraction of states have such a big say in who the nominee is? If, as time goes by, it because obvious that one candidate is getting the vast majority of support, then the remaining candidates should step down, and follow the leader. That has not happened yet in this primary fight. Sarah is right, even if she is seemingly supporting Gingrich. Three of the four candidates have actually won a state contest. That tells me that there is a need for some of the other states to make their choices.

  149. Yup Basil, I agree ABO is okay with me.

    There are some candidates I like for one reason or another.
    Others I don’t like for one reason or another.

    I am not invested in any of them so I really don’t care who anyone votes for on the blog.
    I also don’t see the point of getting emotional over it, picking sides, hurting folks you have know on the blog for awhile. It all seems self destructive and a waste of time to me.

  150. Thanks Nomobama.

    That makes sense. You fell MR is liberal, perhaps even more liberal than some dims. OK. But is he worse than BO? Is Newt that much better? Do you trust Newt to remain balanced, to not hold a grudge, to be an adult and not hold petty grievances against his rivals?

    Those are some of the problems I have with Newt. I also find his style egotistical, smug, arrogant, entitled and, I admit, I can’t ever forget what he did to HRS and BC in the 1990’s. I mean that in reference to a comparison with MR.

    Now, should Newt become the nominee I would definitely support him over BO. But I do not dread an NG nomination the way some here seem to dread an MR nomination.

    I think Newt has a brilliant mind but I also think he can go off the deep end as with his colony on the moon tangent.

    I feel he is emotionally immature and some of his emotional blackmail style reminds me of BO. (Show me that you love me).

    I also think Newt has spent his life in the Washington/academia/ K-Street cocoon and honestly has as little if not less, understanding of the real America as MR.

    Oh well, here I said I would not get personal and you see most of my objections to Newt are just that, personal. But I still give him credit for having the ability to function in a professional way in a professional manner.

    But I believe MR is more professional as evidenced by his ability to get on the primary ballots of all states, his anticipating early voting in Florida, his big picture campaign plans.

    And what I want right now is a professional.

    Newt is more artistic – MR is more nuts and bolts, IMHO. At this point, I prefer the nuts and bolts approach. Newt is too flamboyant, too grandiose, too self-indulgent for my tastes. Those are great qualities in an artist, perhaps even essential qualities, but not always so useful in a leader. Again, IMHO.

    But, I reiterate, I would support him over BO.

  151. Basil, I know writing comments about Gingrich on a Democrat blog is heresy to some. If you notice, I usually don’t attack anyone for whatever they believe with regards to any candidate (other than Øbama). I do provide links, and most cut and past articles which support why I feel the way that I do. I see that you wrote that you wanted specifics, and that is the manner I choose. Yet, I have yet to see any specifics about Romney and why he should be handed the keys to the White House. All I see is that he seems to be more electable. Why does he seem to be more electable? Was it that he saved the Utah Winter Olympics? Well, I guess that is a plus, but what else is there? Did he make Massachusetts a better state in which to live, or is it true that he left the state with a higher tax burden? Taxes are a big issue with me anymore. Raising fees, which are a form of taxation are included with an assessment of his fiscal prowness. I want fiscal responsiblity which means reigning in taxes, and doing away with unnecessary pork. I just don’t feel comfortable with Romney cutting anything, or for repealing Obamacare. My understanding is that he has made comments about removing certain aspects of Obamacare, but I sense he is comfortable with it. A federal government that controls the healthcare of its people basically has full control of the population. That’s too much power as far as I am concerned. Newt has said he will scrap Obamacare. Of course, I don’t know if he will follow through, but one nevers knows what a politician will do once in office. Look at our liar-in-chief.

    Finally, if the others here feel it necessary to control what is posted here, then I will have to evaluate if it is a place worth being a part of in the future. There’s other places to go. I have no problem with people defending whoever they want to defend, other than Øbama.

    I want Øbama defeated. If Romney becomes the candidate, then I will vote for him. ABO all the way.

  152. Actually, Basil, Romney has been known to hold a grudge, too. Hey, it’s all about convincing the masses. The lies that are thrown, and thrown from all sides for the most part, are unfortunate. Sarah Palin said “people should just tell the truth”, or something similar. I wish that they would, but running for politics is a blood sport, and people do whatever needs to be done to come out on top. In some cases, I believe murder has been committed to gain advantage. The stories that we have been reading about the gentleman in California is a case in point. It’s horrible what power does to so many people.

  153. I want to clarify my comment about suporting Gingrich.

    Anyone who knows me on this boasrd knows I am a diehard Clinton fan.

    I might have spoken up for Romney but those ads he put out in Florida grinding Gingrich down with lies about him, as well as his smarmy attitude, has just turned me off.

  154. I can also say that if an independent comes along who is honest and decent in character, then I would be very happy.

  155. Yes, nomobama, politics is definitely a blood sport.

    Your comments asking why should MR be entitled to the keys to the whitehouse make sense. He shouldn’t be. Same thing, however, goes for Newt, or any of the other candidates.

    Some here say Romney is a crook. Others say Newt is a hypocrite and a liar. Paul is an extremist and Santorum is too conservative.

    They all have baggage.

    I don’t know if Romeny is a crook. I do know Newt is a liar. We all remember the 1990’s.

    But, some argue, Newt is a fighter. Well, it seems he’s a fighter when the wind is at his back, not so much when faced with a headwind.

    Romney came out swinging last week but some complain it’s because of his money. Money did not cause Newt’s poor debates in Florida and if it did, then that’s a weakness.

    What I’m saying is I agree with you the campaign should continue. Let them duke it out. Newt can come back – again. But I admit when he suspended his campaign over the summer – I think it was something to do with Calista – and then his entire staff quit and then he reentered the race well, I wasn’t too thrilled about that. I do feel Mitt is more consistent and I like that.

    At this point, let Sarah come out publicly and say who she supports. Stop being so coy. It’s clear where her sympathies lie and there’s not a thing wrong with it.

    Let those who claim Romney is a crook provide the info here, in a condensed fashion for the rest of us to absorb.

    I know Mitt holds grudges but I am speaking of the present and it was so obvious Newt was pissed off, furious and, downright whiny last week and even last night. That is not an attractive quality. Reminds me too much of BO.

    But the candidates are no where near having the requisite number of votes for the nomination and who knows? Some other candidate could get in. I wouldn’t mind that.

    Let the race go on.

  156. “Finally, if the others here feel it necessary to control what is posted here, then I will have to evaluate if it is a place worth being a part of in the future.”

    Who is trying to control what’s said? I hope you don’t mean me.

    Your contribution here is greatly appreciated, at least by me.

    When I asked for more facts about MR it’s that I would like to have the personal opinions of the bloggers here, not just referral to a link, mainly because I am very interested in what posters here have to say.

    For example, could someone please encapsulate for the rest of us why some believe Romney is in fact a crook? You know, in a couple of paragraphs?

    I know it’s a PITA and hard work but personally, the reason I come here is to hear specifics from the His44 bloggers-in-arms. Not only the words of the so-called experts.

  157. Jan,

    Thanks for the caveat. I haven’t seen the ads you are speaking of. I live in NYS and to tell the truth I don’t watch much TV and I would imagine they wouldn’t be shown here anyway, at least not yet.

    “I might have spoken up for Romney but those ads he put out in Florida grinding Gingrich down with lies about him, as well as his smarmy attitude, has just turned me off.”

  158. Gingrich to challenge Florida’s “winner take all” rule, demand proportional award of delegates

    HA

    He’s got a case, I think. Simple rule: Every state that goes before April 1 is required to award its delegates proportionally. Florida was supposed to go after that date but moved up its primary in defiance of the RNC’s wishes. They were penalized by having half of their 99 delegates taken away — but for some reason, their “winner take all” rule was allowed to remain in effect despite the date change. So Romney ended up with 50 delegates last night while Gingrich got squat.

    But maybe not for long:

  159. Shadowfax
    February 1st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    NMF

    Surely if a Grocery store could do this, intel could do it.

    ——-
    One would hope, but it is cut throat out there now.

    The tech companies used to be great to their employees, I have been to Apple Corp. and it’s pretty nice there, but…talk about lock down facility…like nothing I have ever seen before, and even knowing folks that work there, it is next to impossible getting a job unless you have tech skills up the whaaaazoo.
    ********

    My son works for Apple, he had to go through a outsourcing company first, then you get hired. Not sure how that works outside of Texas, but it is the way here to get hired.

    I thank Steve Jobs every day of my life that his brilliant mind produced that company. My son loves it. They have great bennies and it did wonders for him.

    Thank you Steve Jobs wherever you are. Peace…

  160. I apologize if I have been a blog-hog the past few days. I have a shoulder injury which is preventing me from working right now so naturally I’m doing my favorite thing – hanging out at His44.

    I’ll shut up.

  161. Basil99, I don’t mean you. There are comments made about this, that, and the other thing being written on this blog, a Hillary Clinton blog. Additional comments are made about opinions that would not jive with what Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton believe or support. I think those comments are made in an effort to make people uncomfortable about writing what they actually believe. Pee pressure only backfires with me.

    The admin here has been more than hospitable in allowing different viewpoints. I appreciate that about this site. I remember when I first came here to comment, people wondered who I was, and some confused my handle with turndownobama’s. I remember she made a flippant remark about that as her answer to who I was. It was a little putdown, but I don’t remember anymore what it was. I wrote then that I didn’t come here to start any trouble. I meant it. I know my opinions don’t jive with many who remain here, and those who came before. I don’t really care what they think about my comments, to be honest with you. I like the differences of opinion here. I read Leanora’s comments, and get some satisfaction in doing so because it’s obvious to me that she provides a different perspective to things to which I am receptive. Actually, you all do for the most part. Shadowfax is more liberal, but finding out that she is libertarian in some respects which is interesting to me as I have an affection for libertarian ideas, too. You seem to be a tiny bit conservative on some things, and center on others, and I really like that even though your are not religious, you seem to see Islam as what I believe it is. Mrs. Smith is good with words that can cut like a knife if need be, and she is a political animal with a lot of insight. Wbboie is an excellent analyst. Jan and AMB provide a lot of the news of the world, and of what Hillary is up to these days. Then there are what I look at as my kindred spirits in ShortTermer and holdthemaccountable. I could go on, and don’t mean to leave anyone out. I am just trying to make a point. There’s just a nice mix to be found here, but it would be great if more people would chime in, too.

  162. If, as time goes by, it because obvious that one candidate is getting the vast majority of support, then the remaining candidates should step down, and follow the leader. That has not happened yet in this primary fight. Sarah is right, even if she is seemingly supporting Gingrich. Three of the four candidates have actually won a state contest. That tells me that there is a need for some of the other states to make their choices.

    ========================

    I’d like to retract what I said about Sarah supporting Gingrich, even “quietly”. Apparently what she supports at this stage is having the GOP primary play itself out, giving all the states and all the candidates a chance, not closing it off prematurely as the Bots and the media tried to do with the Dem primary in 2008.


    Quoted from Fox News at ‘February 1st, 2012 at 1:20 am”
    Palin also expressed her continuing support for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich: “As it stands obviously it’s Romney and Newt are closest to be the front-running candidate, and so I would continue to vote for whoever it is to allow the process, and at this point it looks like it still is Newt. You have to kind of continue to level the playing field with your vote.”

    Imo this is one of Sarah’s wise soft nuanced country-style statements that doesn’t fit into soundbytes. This fits with something attributed to her before the SC primary iirc, about endorsing/voting for Gingrich “at this stage.”

    I’d almost expect her to endorse Gingrich over Romney if it comes down to the two of them at the end of the primary.

  163. And I did not want to leave turndownobama out of my comment. I actually don’t have a problem with her comments like others seem to have. Yes, sometimes I get annoyed, and even question what she might be up to, but all in all, she is not a bot like some people think. She’s just a very pro-Democrat party partisan as far as I can make out. I don’t have such an ideological nature.

  164. Hey guys: I used to post here a lot, but have been away for a while. Just wanted to post this message below, because I think it is powerful and important I hope you guys are doing well.

    If I, as an American woman, were to tell you today what makes me feel deprived, I would probably say losing my cable feed, my phone, my computer, and my TV. I might say that my favorite grocer at the end of the block just went out of business and now I have to travel 2 miles to next food store. Now think about a typical family living in Iraq trying to express the basic needs they are deprived of in their everyday lives. They would tell you that they no longer feel safe on their own property and that for the past decade they have been tormented by explosions and bombs bursting in air. They would tell you that they have about 1 hour of electricity every day, and that many of their friends and family members were killed as “collateral damage” in bombings. Most would say that even if democracy is a good thing, it cannot be forced on another country in a war. Cultural diplomacy and setting good examples in the world are much more powerful and positive than bombing and killing or maiming innocent people in the crossfire. These families would most likely tell you that they lived relatively normal lives until they were uprooted because their government officials were accused of having weapons of mass destruction. In fact, they had stability, safety, and a chance for a real life. Now, they would tell you that after the attacks, they lost most of their basic needs and ways of life. Ironically, the democracy that was promised to Iraq is instead riddled with extreme Islamic principles. Sadly, the end result of the war was far less freedom for the citizens of Iraq.

    Today, the U.S. government has set its sights on war with Iran, with a lot of help from our very own war-mongering politicians and media. And quite frankly, this action will result in more families, parents, children and grandparents, to die at our expense. Families are collateral damage in our wars that cost us trillions of dollars. To top that, families living in countries that we attack have fewer freedoms after we attack them. Women’s rights are dangerously eroding in so much of the world now. We bombed Libya to oust Gaddafi, but extremists took over, forcing women to live by Sharia Law. Under this law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Otherwise, the woman goes to jail and gets beaten badly. Women are mandated to cover their faces and bodies even in the summer. In Saudi Arabia, women cannot drive. But in Iran, women comprise over half the number of university students and respectable professions. Iran is a country with 70 million people, over half under the age of 30. Check out a real video on life in Iran, like Rick Steve’s video on YouTube. They have a good life now…will we let them keep it?

    Prior to the U.S. occupation, Iraqi women enjoyed more rights, and were among the most highly educated and professional women in the Middle East. The secular government gave women more educational, professional, and social freedoms than the current regime. Sharia law is blossoming in countries that we invade. Under Sharia law, women are considered mere objects and inferior to men and given no rights. Sharia Law is not acceptable and it allows oppression, abuse, and the torture of women and children. We bombed Libya and Sharia law is taking over. We intervened in Egypt to remove their leader, and the same thing happened.
    You should see what we are doing in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Libya. A drone or a bomb cannot differentiate between a militant and a child. Many innocent children have been killed by our blind bombs during the Obama and Bush administrations but the sad part is they get no sympathy from fellow Americans. They are people too.

    When we allow our own government to bomb other countries, we allow them to kill and maim millions of innocent babies, mothers, and fathers. We are attacking families. We may have different cultures than them, but we are attacking other innocent human beings in countries that have oil and other precious resources. Don’t believe the propaganda that they hate us to for our freedoms. They hate us because we start wars, intervene as the policeman of the world, kill their friends and families, occupy their lands, raid their homes and destroy their natural resources.

    What is happening to other countries can happen to us, here in America too.

    Are we getting the whole story in the foreign policy department? Or are our wars being instigated to help a few individuals in high levels of power? Dr. Ron Paul is one of only 5 people running to be President of the United States this year. Obama started and funded wars. Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum love wars, while they profess family values. Some don’t know about Ron Paul because of the media blackout, just like they have blotted out the damage and destruction we have wrought on innocent peoples worldwide, including our military men and women. But millions of us do know about Ron Pauls’ commonsense foreign policy values. His principle is that we keep our military extremely strong, honor our military, and protect our own borders, but we don’t start wars unless a country plans to attack us. Instead of war, we utilize our paid diplomats, and serve as a role model for peace and freedom. The other 4 presidential candidates make empty promises that don’t match their records. If the media were liberal, wouldn’t they push for the only anti-war candidate Ron Paul? The media is not liberal. It is corrupt and it is used as a tool to choose our presidents.
    War is a racket enriching a few with trillions of dollars. We must stand for the rights of all men and women, women who are the mothers of everyone in this world. The political establishment and the media establishment do not want Ron Paul for the simple reason that he cannot be bought by special interests. It is because he serves American citizens – WE THE PEOPLE.

    Ron Paul’s foreign policy is correct. We cannot go around policing the world, starting wars, and wasting taxpayer money on hundreds of bases around the world. We must focus on American problems. Women in particular should love Ron Paul’s policies of peace and diplomacy. He will protect our men and women in the military with his own life. He is a veteran.
    Ron Paul is Promising Peace and his 4 Opponents are PROMISING WAR. Join the peaceful revolution that can prevent an otherwise inevitable violent revolution. Don’t let the media choose your president this time! Ron Paul receives more donations from our military men and women than all of the other candidates combined. Our soldiers donate more to Ron because they are in the battle lines and see what is happening. Listen to our military heroes. Don’t listen to the media. Choose wisely my friends.

  165. Sorry, but Ron Paul would gut the military, not keep it strong. Nobody likes war, or wants more of it. Yet, war is a necessary at times, even if someone has not bombed our shores. If we are being attacked economically with the intent of crippling our economy, say by a country like Iran closing the Straight of Hormuz in order to block the flow of oil to the western world, then what do you propose we do? Sorry, but Iran is playing a dangerous game. It is they that need to watch what they do. It’s the only country that I can recall that has openly called for the destruction of another country… Israel.

  166. I would suggest that you watch the youtube video that I cited above. The media is not telling you the whole story. Each of the countries that we attack or intervene in had better women’s rights before than after. If everyone stopped listenting to the propaganda once in a while, we would all be the better for it.

  167. I don’t think most people in their right mind supported going into Iraq,
    don’t see this turning out too well.
    Iran is a horse if a different color. Unfortunately our fearful leader didn’t help the people of Iran when they asked for it. Israel will not tolerate a nuclear Iran, no one should, their nuts like NKorea.
    Ron Paul means well, but it wouldn’t end well turning the other cheek with terrorist with a nuclear bomb.

  168. Basil99
    Trump to endorse Newt?

    That’s what they’re saying at Drudge and HA.
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    That’s interesting if that’s Trumps choice. Another site said he would have something to say tomorrow and a couple of days ago he said he would endorse either Newt or Mitt at some point, and if that guy didn’t win the primary, he would jump in as an Independent in mid May when he is legally allowed to when his show is over.

    Tidbit, Newt and Santorum were the only two candidates that agreed to join in Trumps debate, and Mitt already had plans.

    I will wait and see what happens, if Drudge is right or if Greta can squeeze it out of Trump tonight.

  169. lisa, your right about Women’s rights. It is the biggest travesty that no one talks about but Hillary for the most part. I just got talking to my own daughter that has some delusion of seeing the pyramids in her life time.

    I yell about Sharia law to everyone, all the time. We are our own worst enemies to not stand for the women of the world.

  170. Trumps time has passed IMHO. He picked a TV show over being a serious candidate, not going to happen.His endorsement will in the end mean little. Maybe the money will mean something, but as votes go, not so much.

  171. Enough already! about what, gonzotx? I know you have your issues with another person who posts here which is the obvious point of your message. That’s none of my business. I don’t have any issues with anyone other than what I have posted about, and they are not really all that significant, either.

  172. Thanks gonzotx. If women joined forces, we could get control of this world (we are the majority). And yet, most women let men walk all over them, because they were taught to do that. Women have to stick together in our communities and in our world.

  173. gonzotx

    I thank Steve Jobs every day of my life that his brilliant mind produced that company. My son loves it. They have great bennies and it did wonders for him.

    Thank you Steve Jobs wherever you are. Peace…

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    Congratulations to your son and I bet you are happy as a clam that he has a great job that he loves.

    Apple in Silicone Valley is the ‘Mother ship’ as they call it, corporate office and it is difficult to get into the programming jobs there.

  174. Hey nomobama: Ron Paul would not gut the military. He is a veteran, and believes in a very strong military that protects us not polices the world. He wants to keep our military strong, but the media makes it sound like he wants to weaken our military. The media is misrepresenting him (if they mention him at all). He just wants to stop throwing our money at the military industrial complex.

  175. The propaganda? The women of Iran are brave. Many refuse to bow completely to the mullahs, yet they are brutalized. The condition of Iraqi’s, on the other hand, is a shame. Yet, one would think that the Iraqi’s would have wholeheartedly supported the removal of Saddam Hussein. But know, once the demon was gone, they turned on eachother. The problems in Iraq again can be traced to the problems with Islam. Once sect trying to dominate another, and both willing to take up weapons with eachother. I feel for the original inhabitants of that land, and they were not Muslim Arabs. They were Christians who still live there, and who have had to basically hide in the background in order to even survive there. These Christians know best what it is like to be a Christian in a Muslim dominated country. The shame in Iraq is that the US did nothing to protect these people because they didn’t want to look like they were an invading Christian army sent to subject the Iraqi population to Christianity as a whole.

    Doesn’t Ron Paul also promote 9/11 conspiracy theories? I find that disturbing.

  176. The industrial military complex exists, that is for sure. But destroy it at what costs? Costs to safety, employment of millions, etc.? Nobody wants war, especially under false pretenses. That I agree with. Yet, there are other reasons besides being attacked militarily, that may require a military response. I think that naive that the idea the US only declare war if we were a nation under attack. The US entered WWll for good reason, and although a bloody, nasty war, our victory was a worthwhile one. Sorry, but Ron Paul is just a little bit too dovish, imo.

  177. Ron Paul does not promote 9/11 conspiracy theories. Another exaggeration by our mainstream media.

    Regarding Iraq, they were better off with Saddam, sadly, because after the war, they got Sharia Law, a ruined country with fewer jobs and resources, and they lost a huge number of civilians in our war, not to mention a million refugees who had to leave their homes because of the bombs.

  178. The Ron Paul administration would not destroy the military industrial complex. He just wants to stop giving them a trillion dollars a year from the taxpayer’s Social Security fund.

    He would easily attack any country that posed a threat to us. Iran does not. But if Iran did, he would destroy them.

  179. Iraq was not our war, it was Bush’s. The enemy was able to slip away and reorganize, we were left with thousands dead, trillions of debt and a much unsafer Middle East.

    We destroyed Iraq.

  180. lisa100
    February 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
    Hey nomobama: Ron Paul would not gut the military. He is a veteran, and believes in a very strong military that protects us not polices the world. He wants to keep our military strong, but the media makes it sound like he wants to weaken our military. The media is misrepresenting him (if they mention him at all). He just wants to stop throwing our money at the military industrial complex.

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    Yup, this is what Ron Paul has said.

    Maybe the real question for many on this blog is, ‘ Would a Ron Paul President attack Iran if they attacked Israel and didn’t attack the US?’. …or Europe?

  181. The real question is Would Iran attack Israel or the U.S or Europe. It is not in their best interest, and they have not started a war in decades. Unlike us….

  182. Basil

    “I wish those who are so anti-Romney would provide a detailed analysis and comparison of the differences between the two candidates and why one is the devil incarnate and the other is not.”
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    You can look at it as the lesser of two evils. Romney/Newt v Obama.. and I agree, either one is better than what we are stuck with, hopefully in the end, not for another 4 yrs. We cannot survive another 4 yrs. We’ll all be dead, homeless or considered indigent by then-

    I don’t have the time nor the inclination to write a clear concise profile of each candidate distinguishing the differences between them. I will tell you this much though, here is how I decided. Gingrich’s past is public history and common knowledge- his life and past mistakes are an open book. There isn’t very much anyone can discover about him that would constitute a jaw dropping revelation.

    What I noticed about him compared to my discovery of Romney is… Gingrich isn’t a THIEF- and Romney IS! Romney is responsible for stealing Medicare money from his own company, Bain Capital and another company Damon. He sold Bain Capital to an unsuspecting buyer before it was found out to have defrauded Medicare out of millions. Romney had to have a heads up on something nasty coming down the pike from an inside source. (that is what I consider theft)

    The new owners were penalized for the missing millions of dollars stolen from Medicare and Romney’s newly sold company subsequently went bankrupt.. causing thousands of lost jobs. Bain Capital wasn’t sold with the knowledge the company was going to be fined by the federal government for fraudulent abuse and theft of Medicare witholdings.. resulting in accruing the biggest fine imposed by the government for FRAUD of any stripe in Massachusetts history.

    You really have to wonder how Romney constructed a barrier between himself and criminal prosecution- People go to prison for such things plus having to make restitution for the missing money as has Bernie Madoff..

    This is a BIG BLack mark against Romney in my eyes… afaic-

    Over the years what I have found with people- Is three things always run together if one thing is apparent. If people Lie— they cheat and steal as well, you just haven’t seen it yet.. Gingrich has never been accused of Lying, Cheating or Stealing… He may exaggerate his role of importance perhaps giving the impression of taking full credit (by omitting salient facts) i.e. for balancing the budget when Clinton was president. I remember the interview Clinton gave with Matt Lauer. Lauer asked BC flat out if it upsets him to hear Gingrich taking credit for a balanced budget during his tenure as president… He paused.. and said.. “well, he knows he didn’t do it alone… I had to approve and sign off on the budget.” As we are aware, it was BC’s restructuring of the spending and cutting programs that could wait if they weren’t of an urgent nature, that created a balanced budget and a surplus besides Bill using his negotiating power as president, persuading Congress to agree with him and pass the Budget- It was truly a joint effort. IMO- Bill playing the larger role as the key component in making it all work.

    So, to me if Gingrich needs the security of having people think he is in fact a capable man and needs to embellish the facts a little, I can live with it.

    Basically, because of the situation I outlined about Bain Capital is the reason why I find Romney to be guilty of all three.. the three transgressions I can’t live with because those three transgressions are not found in the people I/you can Trust.. and I mean Trust with my/your life-

    I picked Gingrich as the better man of the two deserving of my support because we know what we are getting… nothing hidden.. as with Romney.

    Furthermore, anything that hasn’t been revealed or heard of that is negative about Romney will be aired out by the Obama operatives.. then we will see how he responds.. Can he prove them wrong? Is the proof valid enough to discount the allegations.. or disprove the allegations as pure unadulterated lies… We’ll have to wait and see… I was glad to hear Gingrich was going to continue on to the next election and is willing to stay in the game.. Obama’s file on Gingrich is pretty thin..and why he prefers Romney as his competition. I don’t expect any bombshells going off about Newt that will have the desired effect Obama so desperately needs to make himself appear superior in the eyes of the public, as the profound devastating effect they can and will have on Romney..

    I read the link provided by Shadowfax… the article by Dick Morris… He nailed Gingrich to a tee.. read it if you can find a minute and see if it resonates with you..

  183. lisa100
    February 1st, 2012 at 9:29 pm
    The real question is Would Iran attack Israel or the U.S or Europe. It is not in their best interest, and they have not started a war in decades. Unlike us….

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    Agreed that Bush started 2 freakin’ wars…I am not saying this was right or that I like that he did this at all.

    So, lets tackle the question I posed, please.

    If Iran caused an act of war against one of our allies, would a Paul President come to their defense?

    If Iran didn’t attack in the first place, this decision would not have to be made.

    Avoiding the question of what would Ron Paul do in this situation only gives his opponents the feeling that he will not have allies that can depend on the US if they are attacked.

    If Ron Paul hasn’t talked about this situation, please don’t guess at what he might do, I haven’t heard him discuss this…so I am just asking.

  184. Hey Shadowfax: I don’t know what Ron Paul would do in this incredible and unrealistic situation. But I think he would help Israel. I do know for sure that if we were threatened in the least, he would attack them. But I don’t vote on theoretical situations that will never happen. I vote on things that are happening right now, like an economic nightmare, loss of individual rights to the ever-growing government, and wars that kill families. Ron Paul stands for Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom. The others stand for war, the status quo that is bought by the special interests, including the big banks and the big media, and continuing constitutional travesties like the Patriot Act. I have to go now, but I just wanted to send in the comment above. Had a good time debating. I will check back in again.

  185. Don’t believe the propaganda that they hate us to for our freedoms.

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    That was an especially vicious lie from Bush. Iirc, Al Qaeda put out a video about 9/11 giving their exact reason for the attack. It said nothing so abstract. It criticized some particular action we were taking in some particular border dispute in the Middle East.

    Lisa, thanks for the good material on Ron Paul. Supporting him seems like a very good choice.

  186. Lisa100

    I like a lot of things Ron Paul stands for, probably more than anyone else on this blog, but this question on if Ron Paul will defend our allies or not is a deal breaker for most American’s and although I want to believe he would not stand back instead of getting involved…I want to hear his response on this myself.

    If in the future someone asks him this question, please let us know.

    Ron Paul seems like an honest man and I don’t think he would just make up an answer to try and win an election.

    I am surprised the GOP hasn’t asked him this question or that it hasn’t come up in the debates…but maybe I missed it.

    Hillary wouldn’t stand back in this situation and I wonder if Paul would or not.

    Thanks and keep me posted.

  187. Re: nomobama
    February 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    My inclinations have changed, or maybe shifted would be a better word. In 2007 and 2008 I aligned pretty well with my beloved Hillary; and though I hated what he did to her and Chelsea, I also adore Bill. My philosophy is that things that are of a personal nature, like abortion or being gay, are a private matter and SHOULD never have been a government concern or issue; or an issue that ANY man has a say in unless the person concerned wants them to have a say. Those issues are private and between the person and their God; who are we to judge?
    I DID not like it when Hillary stated she was a 20th century progressive, for I have come to detest progressives then and now; I believe they set us on the path to ‘accept’ an AboMAO. Just my opinion and I do not care if anyone else agrees, as it has little to no bearing on the 2012 election.
    I agree with Mrs Smith assessment of Romney, but more. I support NewtGingrich, partly because he states that the main reason he is running is for his grandchildren, Maggie and Robert. Since the election in 2008, a little girl has been added to our family; my two great-grandchildren are now 6 and almost 3. The only reason I am active politically for because of them. I shudder at the thought that they will be a lot less free than my generation; I will roll over in my grave if my little girl ever had to give up freedom over her body or wear a burqua. When he said that the first time, he won me over. For if adults are working on a political front just for themselves, they are not on the same planet as me. I am of an age that it really would not matter what our country turned into, but the next, and then the next generation after that will suffer because of what we do in 2012. We have left them burdened with debt as it is; do we really want to leave the country open to Chinese or Muslim Brotherhood rule???????? That is one strike in Newt’s favor with me.

    He does not take full credit….what I have heard him say is, “we” accomplished these things; he mentions the name Art Laffer almost every time, President Clinton, and a couple of other names I do not recall. Sure he has a big ego; is that not one of the requirements to run for President.

    The second thing I like about him, is he has been there, he has done that, repeatedly. Balanced budgets, cut welfare, etc. He states clearly and concisely what he WILL do; and it is on his website. Romney is not that strong on what he is going to do, except issue some executive orders; I DO NOT BELIEVE him when he says he will do away with ObamaCAre; he implemented RomenyCare and they are much the same. Actually, he states that the law can not be repealed for ObamaCare, that it can be defunded or something close to that.

    A moderate from Massachusetts is a batsh!t crazy liberal everywhere else; enough of the batsh!t liberals in the White House. One of the shifts I have made is in electing government officials. And that is I now work toward making the government that my little ones will have to live under as conservative as possible. The cardinal rule for a beginning teacher is to be a bitch [my word] with discipline….because you can always lighten up, but gaining control after losing it is almost impossible. Gingrich is a conservative; and he is results oriented. He thinks and plans, and comes up with new ideas. What one new idea has Romney espoused?

    The clencher for me, is the Republican ESTABLISHMENT wants Romney. And it is my belief that ObaMAO wants to run against Romney…it would be a cake walk for ObamMAO. By hook or crook the ESTABLISHMENT plan to have Romney, even if they have to use tactics of the left to do so. Actually, they are tactics of the left now; they have changed to caucuses, they do scorched earth ads against their own, and they batter citizens with the media and hype. They seem to think that, as does San Fran Nan, that the little people are not capable of understanding politics. I can tell you one thing, the people where I come from know a LIE when they hear it and are not so quick to forget.

    And, to Ron Paul, I believe he would surround himself with people knowledgable about foreign policy and would not want to make a mistake because of ideology, as with ObaMAO.

    With Rick Santorum, I do love the man as a person. Something that escapes me now on the first occasion that I heard him speak on tv was so much in error that I said right then that I could not vote for him…it was an error about our history. And I will go ahead and speak my thoughts on him. I worked with the medically fragile and crippled and other health impaired for more than twenty years; the hardest part to watch was how hard it was on the parents; they would usually divorce. Just as he took off the campaign, as he should have, to be with his daughter and family when Bella was in the hospital, so it will be should he be President. He would have to worry all the time about the child and his wife. I am surprised that he ran nationally with such a situation as this; most would want to be right there in case of a health emergency. For me, this should disqualify him as a viable candidate for President. Cruel and heartless as that sounds; I am more worried about my two little ones and the state of our country than to want a president who is there partime in spirit.

    Just my two cents worth. I am not asking anyone to agree.

  188. I hate being blunt… and they did ask him the defending Israel question in one of the debates as they did to a few other candidates.

    I hadn’t looked it up before because he was never my choice as the Republican nominee- He does have some good points though.. about the Treasury and the IRS- What bothers me about him is he doesn’t view all people as equal in his eyes.. which is a trait in Obama.. Obama wants us to view Muslims as something unique in our culture especially if they intend on forcing their beliefs on me…So, Mr.Paul never made it past go with me because of his discriminatory views…

  189. Correction: And, to Ron Paul, I believe he would surround himself with people knowledgable about foreign policy and would not want to make a mistake because of ideology,and would not make the same choices as ObaMAO.

    I think you may be right about Paul addressing that on a debate, iirc, Mrs Smith but I do not recall what was said. I personally think that Paul is running to be a placeholder for Rand Paul in the future. He said himself that he did not know if he could make it through a term in office, again iirc.

  190. Florida Dems decided not to let people vote in a Dem primary today, only delegates will be selected in June……must have been scared of how they’d vote.

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    Well, it could be that the Dems don’t want to lose half their delegates, as happened in 2008 when they went too soon. Which makes you wonder if they’re expecting a real contest later….

    Or, it could be that they want the Dem voters to be free to go to the GOP primary and make mischief.

  191. I don’t believe for a minute they will dump the fraud. They believe they are Omnipotent. The days of brokered conventions are over.Hillary will not be the nominee.

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    In that case, are you really wanting a Pres Gingrich or a Pres Romney? (I don’t remember which one you’re favoring, if either.)

  192. wbboei,

    I was out for a couple of days so I’m just now seeing your excellent posts on the previous thread.

    I think this one needs updating:

    wbboei
    January 31st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
    THE COMPOSITION OF THE REPUBLICAN COALITION-

  193. She’s just a very pro-Democrat party partisan as far as I can make out.

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    Heh. Pro-OLD-Democrat, maybe. Hey, it’s my email address. 😉 Like Hillary, who said she was an early 20th century ‘progressive’, like FDR I suppose.

    I’m a Clintonista: 1990s Clinton/Gore/Hillary. They’re not quite as far Left as I’d like, but they are wonderful sane people who do what’s realistic. Change what you can … accept what you can’t change … they have the wisdom to know the difference. But not much point in trying to discuss their personalities here.

    Ideology is an intellectual boondoggle – a big unnecessary waste of time and energy. For example, I’m for clean air. But either Right or Left ideology could promote that: “Don’t let your smoke tresspass on My Private Property.” I’m sure Palin had some Rightwing ideological rationale for taxing the oil companies and redistributing their money to the citizens of Alaska. In some other country, it might be dam owners who were the established Rightwing dinosaurs, and oil drillers who were the new Leftwing ‘alternative power’ advocates (I’d be for the dams and against the oil in either case).

    The ‘policies’ I’ve been inquiring about are on a more practical level. Medicare vs vouchers. Educate illegal immigrants or not. Hillary’s HOLC vs bailing out the mortgage companies. Subsidizing contraception/abortion vs dealing with a large number of unwanted, unsupported babies.
    Imo ideology shouldn’t trump practicality.

    (Leftish ideology shouldn’t trump practicality either: examples Affirmative Action, bussing for integration, etc.)

  194. Upon contemplating a growing number of urgent matters which Obie has chosen to ignore for extended periods of time, I cannot help but recall Sir Isaac Newton who in the year 1686, stated his description of laws of motion. His First Law of Motion is presented as:
    “Every object persists in its state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it.”
    http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/newton.html

    “unless compelled to change.” I think Newton has described Obie perfectly!

  195. Case in point regarding Newton’s First Law of Motion & Obama. Regarding PUMAPAC’s FEC endeavor which is called “Matter Under Review 6142”, it had been reported on the M.U.R. website that Obama was doing essentially nothing. Now he’s going great guns A) to make it look better or B) to thwart PUMAPAC’s completion. Or both. Taken from the site:

    Final Revisions to be Released in January 2012 – Delayed to February 2012

    Update, January 2012: Starting in November 2011, the Obama for America Campaign has issued numerous revisions to their 2008 FEC Reports. These revisions and adjustments will continue through the report for the last quarter of 2011. The release of revisions to MUR 6142 will be delayed until after the Campaign updates have been released.

    This FEC Complaint was initiated in 2008 and the Obama Campaign has been doing nothing but juggling the books.
    The mysterious $259 million remains UNITEMIZED.

    http://www.mur6142.com/

  196. Donald Trump to endorse Newt Gingrich Thursday

    With just days to go before Nevada Republicans head to the polls to choose who they want to take on President Obama in November, reality show host Donald Trump is injecting himself into the race and endorsing Newt Gingrich.

    Trump’s office announced Wednesday that he would make a major announcement Thursday morning in Las Vegas, without providing details of what he would say.

    Two sources confirmed to CBS News that the publicity savvy businessman plans to endorse the former House speaker in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination. Nevada holds its caucus Saturday.

    The CBS television station in Las Vegas, KLAS-TV, reported earlier Wednesday that Trump would endorse Gingrich, citing “sources.”

    Shortly after news of an unspecified “announcement” was made Wednesday, but before the endorsement was confirmed by CBS News and other media outlets, Gingrich was coy when asked about what Trump might say.

    “I have no idea what the Donald is going to do. He is always interesting, and I don’t know of anybody who does a better job of getting attention by announcing that he will presently announce something,” Gingrich said.

    On CBS’ Face the Nation Sunday, Trump had kind words for Gingrich.

    “He’s got great ideas. He’s very smart, he’s very tough and he is a great debater,” Trump said, adding that the two most recent debate performances were not his best efforts. Gingrich was widely seen as fumbling in both Florida appearances before Tuesday’s primary, which he lost to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by a large margin.

    Trump has toyed with jumping in the presidential race himself as a third party candidate after his NBC reality television series, “The Apprentice,” ends its season in May.

    But he said he would only jump in the race as an independent that if the Republican candidate he likes gets fired by the voters.

    “If that candidate would get the nomination, I absolutely would not run,” Trump said, adding that if his preferred choice loses, he would consider himself a “free agent.” He decided against a bid last year after attacking Mr. Obama relentlessly about releasing the so-called “long-form” of his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.

    It is not clear how much Trump’s endorsement would help Gingrich going forward, especially since Romney is a heavy favorite in Nevada. Romney beat Texas Rep. Ron Paul by close to 40 percentage points in Nevada in 2008.

    Still, Gingrich could get an infusion of cash following Trump’s announcement.

    Billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who has already given $10 million to the super PAC supporting Gingrich, had dinner plans with Gingrich this week, a source familiar with the meeting told CBS News.

    Trump, who has also been involved in the gambling industry, likes to be the center of attention and does not like to be upstaged.

    Trump’s endorsement is not the only one for Republicans hoping to win Nevada in three days time. Failed Senate candidate Sharron Angle, a favorite of the conservative Tea Party wing of the party, plans to endorse former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, National Review reported Wednesday.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57370118-503544/donald-trump-to-endorse-newt-gingrich-thursday-sources/

  197. nomobama: “Doesn’t Ron Paul also promote 9/11 conspiracy theories? I find that disturbing.”
    ==========

    The official version of 9/11 is itself a conspiracy theory: that about 20 crazies hijacked and crashed four planes on their own, under the direction of Osama Bin Laden. That is a conspiracy theory, and it is one that does not stand up to the technical reality of the thing, the audiovisual evidence, or even common sense.

    The problem is, no one can be really sure how broad the conspiracy was and what other organizations were involved or forewarned of the attack and did nothing, which is why there are different “theories” in the plural. But one thing is sure: we have captured and interrogated the real organizer of 9/11, who has confessed to the deed, and we have not brought him to trial. Another sure thing: We found Bin Laden and, instead of bringing him back to the US or before an international tribunal for trial as we could have done, we made fish food out of him. OBL’s testimony would have jived with that of the 9/11 organizer, but our people in the know and in power do not want the truth of 9/11 to come out.

    Conspiracy theories have been quashed before by our “leaders” – just think of the Warren Commission’s report that will be available only in 2014. “Single bullet theory” my eye! Lee Oswald acting on his own my eye!

  198. My understanding of Ron Paul’s position on starting any military adventure is that he would always follow the constitution. He would present his reasons for wanting to go to war to congress and ask them to debate the merits and if appropriate declare war. I think he is a reasonable man, no matter what those people in power would like us to believe, and he could be prevailed upon to ask congress to debate a military adventure he did not agree with if he felt a majority of the American people wanted it.

    I trust Ron Paul and I think a return to our constitution is way over due. But first we need to educate Americans on it, and that is where a Ron Paul presidency would serve this nation for generations.

    As for the standing military I agree with Ron Paul and what’s his name from Texas – Ross something – bring them home and let them stand shoulder to shoulder along the Mexican border.

  199. IMO one of the most endearing things Ron Paul has said, and I only caught part of it and never saw a clip of it, was this. He was talking to his followers and he was telling his reasons for his candidacy, to spread his message he said, even though he thought he was alone, and then he looks at them in baffled amazement says: I didn’t know you were out there.

    Whether his wins the nomination or not, I believe, him finding all those young people who are able to hear and celebrate his message is a gift from God for a life will spent in the service of his fellow human beings.

  200. I guess it’s time to give this latest foray into Obama’s eligibility/legitimacy/electability/citizenry/viability of his candidacy for president- a look-

    I admit, I haven’t followed this latest attempt at verifying Obama’s citizenship as a candidate for the presidency this time around..

    At a luncheon yesterday, I was amazed at the greetings received from gleeful eyes belonging to… (?)Republicans(?)… Really! They more than we have been watching this newest undertaking by a Georgia Judge allowing subpoenas be issued to Obama to determine if Obama’s name can appear on the State’s ballot. These wonderful happy faces, many I knew as Democrats in another life, couldn’t wait to fill me in on the latest news that of course isn’t getting any play on mainstream media. Retelling the events already transpired in the Georgia court overseen by Judge Michael Malihi- There has been testimony by at least two people on the stand under oath giving testimony… Of course, my eyes were widening with a look of surprise… which seemed to spur their excitement to the next level… offering to send me transcripts…and retelling of a private anecdote that seems to be the source of setting this whole thing in motion. ( the judge taking the time to call the WH alerting them of his intentions and snubbed as irrelevant by WH staff)

    By then, I was in the thralls of joining in with their uncontrolled merriment welcoming the happy atmosphere and mood I haven’t felt in a very long time…

    Then back to earth and the reality of former disappointments getting to the Truth and failing… again-

    Ah, well- trying hard not to get my hopes up again- instead mindful, blunting the fall heavy with disappointment if this is another false start on the road to disqualification of Obama’s re election bid- For now- looking at this happening with long arms in front of me and eyes wide open…
    ……..

    Obama Got Served

    Obama was served a subpoena to appear in a hearing last week in Georgia over his eligibility to appear on the state’s ballot. Obama’s attorney, Michael Jablonski, immediately filed a motion to quash the subpoena, which was denied by OSAH Judge Michael Malihi. In his denial, Judge Malihi seemed to leave open the possibility for a quash, if Jablonski had only offered appropriate legal authority in support. The judge asserted that “Defendant’s motion suggests that no President should be compelled to attend a Court hearing. This may be correct. But Defendant has failed to enlighten the Court with any legal authority.”

    Instead of respectfully following procedure, however, Jablonski went over the judge’s head and straight to Secretary of State Brian Kemp with a letter, sent the day before the hearings were scheduled, arguing that the entire matter should be dropped as it was “baseless, costly and unproductive[.]” Jablonski’s letter concluded: “We await your taking the requested action, and as we do so, we will, of course, suspend further participation in these proceedings, including the hearing scheduled for January 26.”

    Kemp responded that his office lacked authority under Georgia law to suspend the hearings, and warned Jablonski that “if you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the OSAH proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril.”

    Jablonski remained true to his word — neither he nor Obama showed up for the January 26 hearing. I noted last week that Obama was not scheduled to be anywhere near Atlanta on the date of the hearing, although I had wondered if still, perhaps, Georgia might be on his mind. According to reports in the blogosphere, the president’s schedule on the morning of the 26th was open, and according to an unnamed source, Obama watched the live feed of the hearings.

    Perhaps Obama, as well as the several mainstream media news outlets I spotted at the hearing, were merely watching in hopes that the “crazy birthers” would really do something…well, crazy. Or unlawful. In fact, though, it was the president himself and his defense team who were the ones defying the rule of law.

    The mainstream media, in lockstep with Obama, reported nothing of the events, in a stunning blackout on a truly historic hearing — one that discussed the eligibility of a sitting president to run for a second term. And more troubling was the fact that the media failed to acknowledge the even more sensational news — that the president and his defense attorney snubbed an official subpoena.

    Today, Attorney Van Irion, on behalf of his client, Georgia resident David Welden, filed a “Motion for Finding of Contempt” with Judge Malihi. Irion asserts that “… Defendant Obama willfully defied this Court’s order to appear and testify[,]” and his “actions represent a direct threat to the entire judicial branch and the separation of powers between the branches of government.” Irion argued that “[s]uch a declaration cannot go without response from this Court” and moved that the Court refer the “matter to the Superior Court of Fulton County for confirmation that the Defendant violated Administrative Rules of Procedure … and to determine appropriate sanctions.”

    Now, will we get the opportunity to debate the meaning of “subpoena” — or whether the law even applies to this president?

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/02/obama_got_served.html#ixzz1lEDcey2N
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    ck out the comment section as well if you can..

  201. EXCELLENT overnight commentary on reasons his44 posters are for and against different candidates.

    Mrs. S, I appreciated your rundown on Mitt’s flaws. I will research the BAIN deal where you said he stole Medicare money. I have not read those reports and would like to see the “facts” myself.

    My question is, did he do something that was illegal? It could well be immoral but legality is also an issue.

    I also see that many here do not believe he would keep his word to repeal Obamacare in light of his imposition of Romenycare in Massachusetts.

    That is a good point. On the other hand, that is calling him a liar.

    About whether Massachusetts is better or worse off after his governorship I don’t know. Something else to research.

    All three are excellent points.

    I have an equal number of questions about Newt but I will not repeat them here.

    Plenty of food for thought overnight and personally I intend to look into them.

    Someone mentioned they preferred Newt because he has mentioned his 2 grandchildren. Well, Mitt has 16 grandchildren so I honestly don’t see that as a basis for comparison other than Newt apparently has publicly said that is a reason for his presidential run and Mitt has not.

    The issue of whether Mitt is simply the repub establishment candidate and concerted attempts are being made to squelch anyone else are also valid although the same thing is done in all political parties as far as I can tell. Look at the dim effort (according to the rabid leftists) to avoid their agenda. Look at complaints by the CBC that black issues are not fairly addressed. Same goes for other organizations from Moveon to greenies and others.

    Personally, I think that’s just part of the political terrain.

    Anyway, thanks for everyone’s work.

    Now that I’ve heard from those whose opinion I value it’s time for me to do more research so valid links about Mitt and BAIN would be appreciated.

  202. I am VERY interested in Judge Malihi’s ruling and I have been following the proceedings closely.

    Today there’s another hearing in Illinois. The other day a candidate got knocked off a ballot because he did not meet the eligibility requirement of having lived in the US for 7 years.

    I posted a fascinating but very dense link upthread about some of the stuff that went down with the Hawaii eligibility certification back in 2008 and it is an eye-opener.

    Who knows. Maybe the snowball is gathering momentum.

    BTW – the F & F hearings with Holder back in the hotseat are up today.

    Also, for everyone’s amusement, here is that electoral college map currently showing a BO wipeout in November.

    http://weaselzippers.us/

  203. Basil:

    “I have an equal number of questions about Newt but I will not repeat them here.”
    ___________

    You can post them here- and if I know the answer, I will post it accordingly- However, just not interested in responding wasting time on emotional questions like the impeachment or hypocritical infidelities.. that said- if you have questions, post them and find the answer and discuss..

  204. Another of dear Larry’s counterpoints of the Truth regarding Sarah Palin- (no one on his site is lifting a finger getting to the bottom of his gross misrepresentation of why Sarah Palin resigned as governor of Alaska)

    Here is Larry’s disingenuous account: quote

    “[Governor Palin] “Then she bails on her term as Governor of Alaska. Why? To run as President? Hell no. She did her bus tour, however, as a shrewd move to drum up publicity for herself.”
    __________

    A bit of reality for Mr Johnson:

    Gov Palin on the other hand spent $500K of her own money and over 1M of tax payer money plus her staff were tied up researching and doing endless paperwork distracting the governors ability to run the state, which is why she decided to leave office and save her state any more expense. Since the detractors where simply piling on ever more stupid complaints which only cost them $20 to file. Not one complaint was ever proven, all where thrown out of court but in Alaska the Governor was not protected from these kind of suits.

    —-This is no longer the case, the laws where changed to protect the current Governor. (her replacement must be an enlightened male, thanks to her..)

  205. It seems not only the One, but also Mittens is also not qualified under our constitution
    because they are not “natural born citizens

    Quote:

    As many know, there have been rumors regarding this but let me connect a few dots.

    Mitt’s grandparents left the U.S. amid crackdowns on polygamy before Utah became a state and they moved to Mexico. We all know that. Mitt’s father was born in Mexico. We all know THAT.

    Here’s where it gets cloudy.

    Did Mitt’s grandparents, specifically his grandfather, Gaskell Romney, become a citizen of Mexico? It seems, SEEMS likely that he did. Gaskell lived there for many years with his wives and when the Mexican civil war broke out, he first sent his wife and kids to El Paso and Gaskell himself made the trip a short time later. One of those kids was a 5-year-old George Romney, Mitt’s father.

    Remember, just a week or so ago, during a Florida debate, Mitt got angry over an immigration statement made by Newt and clearly stated that his grandparents immigrated from Mexico.

    Does one immigrate to a country of which they are already a citizen?

    There are many varying reports concerning George Romney’s citizenship status and that of his father and to say it’s murky is an understatement. Did Gaskell renounce his US citizenship when he fled to Mexico? Did he repatriate when he came back? Did George, Mitt’s father, naturalize? Did he need to?

    It’s nearly impossible to tell and rest assured, this was a VERY big question back in 1967 – 1968 when George was running for President. I will leave a link at the end of this article to all of this but be warned, it’ll leave your head spinning.

    Bottom line on this part is: Without providing proof of U.S. citizenship either passed to George Romney by Gaskell upon his birth or naturalization documents related to George and/or documented proof that Gaskell was always a U.S. Citizen even when living in Mexico…we can’t really be sure, can we??

    Add to this murkiness the fact that those living in the territory Utah, as Gaskell did before fleeing to Mexico, were not automatically considered to be U.S. Citizens when Utah became a state…Which by the way, happened AFTER Gaskell fled.

    This is of GREAT importance. In most territories, those living there were considered U.S. Citizens when the territory became a state. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE WITH THE TERRITORY OF UTAH! Since Gaskell was living in the TERRITORY of Utah when he fled to Mexico, he was not considered a U.S. Citizen…or was he? WHO KNOWS??

    With the republican establishment solidly behind Romney and Romney’s family history/citizenship in murky waters, is it any wonder Fox News has virtually blacked out any coverage of the Obama eligibility hearing in Georgia? Certainly, I’m not the only one who has noticed the Fox News/Romney buddy fest.

    Further connection of dots takes one even deeper.

    Many in the republican party and the Tea Party would like to see Marco Rubio on the ticket.

    As much as I like Rubio, he doesn’t qualify as eligible according to the constitution.

    Joseph Farah point blank said it on Fox News with Sean Hannity. Rubio is not eligible. He’s absolutely correct.

    Rubio’s parents fled Cuba and settled in Miami back in 1956. They became U.S. Citizens in 1975. MARCO RUBIO WAS BORN IN MIAMI IN 1971!!! When Marco was born, NEITHER of his parents were U.S. Citizens.

    I believe Marco knows he is ineligible. He has stated in no uncertain terms he will NOT be the VP on the ticket.

    Here’s the rub.

    Listen to the video below. Listen to Hannity’s reaction when Farah says Rubio is ineligible. He’s STUNNED!!
    What is just as, if not more telling, is Bob Beckel’s reaction. Many Fox viewers are familiar with Beckel and most can’t stand him. Okay. I’m in that boat. Beckel is VERY well connected and I suspect, he tipped the liberal’s hand here.

    BECKEL SAYS RUBIO SHOULD BE THE VP ON THE TICKET AND ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE NEEDS THEIR HEAD EXAMINED!

    Why? Ask yourself why a well connected liberal would want the Tea Party favorite in Florida, a staunch conservative, on the ticket.

    Here’s why.

    BECAUSE IT WOULD PLACE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE EXACT SAME BOAT AS OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WHEN IT COMES TO NATURAL BORN ELIGIBILITY!!

    Now…add THAT to a murky Romney as the nominee.

    Read

    http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=4248#more-4248

  206. A phone call b/t Trump’s camp & the Romney camp took place before Trump flew to Vegas last night ABC has learned

  207. This epiphany may be a little to far out for most of you to read or visualize but I’m going to post it here anyway-

    After the election the other night, speaking with wobboei on the telephone and reading something else at the same time- an answer occurred to me while we were discussing a Republican candidate (whoever that may be) vs Obama in the November election. I came to this conclusion.

    This conclusion may not make any sense to many of you if you are unaware of the involvement or the impact of the Soros network, unlimited resources and influence standing behind Obama used generously in 08′ to get him into the White House.

    Based on what we know, here are a series of facts connected that seems to gel as our reality. Obama is Soros’ puppet. Weknow this for a fact. Obama is implementing the Soros vision of what America should look like… a simple illustration of his ideology is “spreading the wealth of America around the world”.. Ok- we know this is true… Socialism in the making.

    Soros released a video the other day stating, there is NO DIFFERENCE between Romney or Obama.

    I’m left scratching my head.. partially agreeing with him asking myself, why is he saying this? The question unanswered left as an unconscious floating question mark in my head.

    Next.. We’ve all heard Mitt Romney has been endorsed by BushI.. the power player in the family.

    While talking to wbboei the other night, the answer to the subconscious unanswered question appeared in my mind.. “This is a Battle of the Titans!” Bush vs Soros…

    More than the simplified version of Romney (as the R nominee) vs Obama. It all makes sense now-

    This is the crux of what this election is all about.. we are exchanging one puppet-master for another. And the reason why Gingrich is being pounded as an unacceptable candidate by the establishment.

    Yeah, Gingrich won’t be controlled by the Bushes or the Soros/elites. Gingrich sees and understands the destruction Obama has leveled at our country and I believe is sincere when he speaks of the rollback of Obama’s executive orders on his first day in office. This is all much easier to understand that this is also an awakening to the opportunity presented where Hilary is the prefect candidate to slide in while the Titans mount their strategy and battle ground plans for disposing of each other..

    any feedback welcome.

  208. Mrs.S,

    Can’t respond fully now – going to bone Dr. – but I absolutely disagree about the relevancy of this:

    “However, just not interested in responding wasting time on emotional questions like the impeachment or hypocritical infidelities.”

    I don’t need to discuss those issues but I do need to remain aware of them. IMO, NG showed his true – disgusting- character with those proceedings. A leopard can’t change his spots, a zebra can’t change his stripes. I don’t believe for a minute he’s suddenly found religion (with Calista’s help, of course) and is a changed man. I didn’t trust or like him then and I do not trust or like him now. But I still dislike him less than BO.

    Your point about the clash between Bush v. Soros is interesting.

    More later.

    BTW, Issa is pummeling Holder. Ironic that most of those coming to Holder’s aid are black. Of course they’re also dims.

  209. moononpluto
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am

    A phone call b/t Trump’s camp & the Romney camp took place before Trump flew to Vegas last night ABC has learned
    _______________

    Trump likes to build excitement… He’s funnin’ us.. He is and always was for Gingrich.. I bet any money it’s a PR ploy..

  210. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Mrs. Smith, those were kind of my sentiments, except I felt that I see more unwillingness within the Republican Party to not follow the Reps dictate, than I saw in the Dems party in 2008. If this goes all the way, and G wins more votes, I have to wonder how their convention will play out vs the super duds convention in 2008, where they were sent to their rooms to vote, because too many votes were going for the person that the electorate chose.

  211. BTW, Issa is pummeling Holder. Ironic that most of those coming to Holder’s aid are black. Of course they’re also dims.
    _____________

    Excellent! Love hearing he’s making progress.. if Holder succumbs to the lashing..

  212. Mrs Smith: “spreading the wealth of America around the world”.. Ok- we know this is true… Socialism in the making.
    ==========

    Socialism in the making? Here, I don’t get your dots or the connections between them.

    Before beginning a rant on socialism, please remember the sensitivities of some of our bloggers: Israel is one of the most socialized countries in the world, if not the most. Do you feel that the money we give to Israel is ‘spreading the wealth of America around the world’?

  213. MITT ROMNEY: New sked shows unnamed event @ unnamed located @ same time Trump slated to be at Trump property for big announcement.

  214. Per your article democrat1:

    Here’s an example of how Romney Lies with Ease:

    NY Times October 15, 1967

    Governor Romney said today that the question of his constitutional eligibility for office had been studied by lawyers and that he believed it posed no problem. … Governor Romney said that he did not have to file any papers to become an American citizen since both his parents had been born in the United States. …

  215. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am

    My guts are also telling me way more then we know is going on here, in fact my guts are saying run Betty run. Wouldn’t be wonderful if we the people could duck and let those two titans smash together in mid air and vaporize.

  216. Hillary Clinton to Russia: ‘Whose Side Are You On?’

    By Gregory J. Krieg

    With Russia promising to upend any United Nations Security Council resolution calling for Syria to halt its crackdown on anti-government activists, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton today challenged the Kremlin to make a stand.

    Speaking at a signing ceremony with the foreign minister of Singapore, Clinton appealed to Security Council members to make their place known, asking, “Whose side are you on?

    “Are you on the side of the Syrian people?” she asked. “Are you on the side of the Arab League? Are you on the side of the people of the Middle East and North Africa who have during his past year spoken out courageously and often for their rights?”

    Or, Clinton asked, “Are you on the side of a brutal dictatorial regime?”

    Chinese officials, like the Russians, have indicated they would veto
    any Security Council resolution that takes sides in what looks increasingly like a civil war in Syria.

    Both Russia and China have lucrative business arrangements with the Assad government. Russia, in particular, sells military weapons and equipment to the Syrian government. It also keeps a naval base in Tartus, on Syria’s west coast.

    But the Arab League, which called off its monitoring mission this weekend, blames the recent escalation of violence on forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad. The armed opposition, known as the Free Syrian Army, is made up of military defectors and other, more shadowy forces.

    State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said at today’s briefing that U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, is working with other members of the Security Council on the wording of a potential resolution.

    There is still, however, no time frame for a vote.

    “They’ve got some hard work to do in New York,” Nuland said, and Clinton has still not been able to speak with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

    As for the U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria, Nuland said it remains open.

    “Our operations are open, but our concerns remain” about security, she said, because the Syrian government has still not provided the security measures specified by U.S. officials.

    http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-russia-whose-side-215441041–abc-news.html;_ylt=AjdhVGUIplL5q2xFbcnx8HMWP5Z4

  217. jeswezey
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Acting in your best interests, jeswezey-

    How bout I post a tutorial on changing the password on your e-mail account preventing your x-wife (yeah, right!) from responding to your incoming e-mail?

    You can use the same rude remark:
    Go Away- shut your mouse.. if it helps sending a thrill up your leg.. dude

  218. jeswezey

    Good to see you are back. Sometime, somewhere I would like to talk to you about JFK assignation.
    Pick your brain. 😉

    Until then, we have a lot of work to derail Barry.

  219. Betty

    My understanding of Ron Paul’s position on starting any military adventure is that he would always follow the constitution. He would present his reasons for wanting to go to war to congress and ask them to debate the merits and if appropriate declare war. I think he is a reasonable man, no matter what those people in power would like us to believe, and he could be prevailed upon to ask congress to debate a military adventure he did not agree with if he felt a majority of the American people wanted it.

    I trust Ron Paul and I think a return to our constitution is way over due. But first we need to educate Americans on it, and that is where a Ron Paul presidency would serve this nation for generations.

    As for the standing military I agree with Ron Paul and what’s his name from Texas – Ross something – bring them home and let them stand shoulder to shoulder along the Mexican border.
    Betty
    February 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am

    IMO one of the most endearing things Ron Paul has said, and I only caught part of it and never saw a clip of it, was this. He was talking to his followers and he was telling his reasons for his candidacy, to spread his message he said, even though he thought he was alone, and then he looks at them in baffled amazement says: I didn’t know you were out there.

    Whether his wins the nomination or not, I believe, him finding all those young people who are able to hear and celebrate his message is a gift from God for a life will spent in the service of his fellow human beings.

    ———–
    I agree with you 100% Betty.

  220. In a Ripley’s Believe it or not moment…

    Obama’s American Idol invite

    (CNN) – President Barack Obama’s rendition of Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together” has earned the president an invitation to one of the biggest stages in show business: American Idol.

    Nigel Lythgoe, the show’s producer, tweeted Monday “@BarackObama we loved your vocal performance so much we’d love to invite you on to AmericanIdol this Season for a duet with Al Green.”

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/01/obamas-american-idol-invite/

  221. They may revoke Obama’s Nobel

    February 2, 2012 by Don Surber

    Will an investigation of the Nobel Peace Prize committee lead to a revocation of President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize of 2009? That is a good question as a formal inquiry has begun into the way the committee chooses its winners. The board of inquiry does have the authority to revoke Obama’s award, although that is unlikely, the Associated Press reported.

    The Peace Prize is awarded by a group in Norway. Swedish committees decide the other prizes. The Norwegians have drifted from the original intent of the Peace Prize.

    Fredrik Heffermehl, a prominent researcher and critic of the selection process, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that “Nobel called it a prize for the champions of peace. And it’s indisputable that he had in mind the peace movement, i.e. the active development of international law and institutions, a new global order where nations safely can drop national armaments.”

    The award to Obama came based on his first 12 days as president. Since then, he has continued wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as bombing Libya and Somalia and sending U.S. ground forces to Uganda. This displeases many people who were so enthralled by him that they honored him in 2009 before he accomplished anything — much the same way he was elected president.

    The worm definitely has turned.

    The Nobel Peace Prize committee prostituted itself over the last decade by honoring prominent Democratic Party critics of President George Walker Bush — Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and finally, Barack Obama.

    The Nobel Peace Prize should go back to honoring the Mother Teresas and Martin Luther Kings of the world — and stay out of partisan politics. At least wait until the guy is on the job for two full weeks before honoring him.

    The Associated Press report:

    STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) — Nobel Peace Prize officials were facing a formal inquiry over accusations they have drifted away from the prize’s original selection criteria by choosing such winners as President Barack Obama, as the nomination deadline for the 2012 awards closed Wednesday. The investigation comes after persistent complaints by a Norwegian peace researcher that the original purpose of the prize was to diminish the role of military power in international relations.

    If the Stockholm County Administrative Board, which supervises foundations in Sweden’s capital, finds that prize founder Alfred Nobel’s will is not being honored, it has the authority to suspend award decisions going back three years — though that would be unlikely and unprecedented, said Mikael Wiman, a legal expert working for the county.

    Obama won in 2009, Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo won in 2010, and last year the award was split between Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Liberian activist Leymah Gbowee and Tawakkul Karman of Yemen.

    For this year’s award, Russian human rights activist Svetlana Gannushkina, jailed former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and Cuban rights activists Oswaldo Paya and Yoani Sanchez are among the candidates who have been publicly announced by those who nominated them.

    The secretive prize committee doesn’t discuss nominations — which have to be postmarked by Feb. 1 to be valid — but stresses that being nominated doesn’t say anything about a candidate’s chances.

    Fredrik Heffermehl, a prominent researcher and critic of the selection process, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that “Nobel called it a prize for the champions of peace.”

    “And it’s indisputable that he had in mind the peace movement, i.e. the active development of international law and institutions, a new global order where nations safely can drop national armaments,” he said

    Especially after World War II, the prize committee, which is appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, has widened the scope of the prize to include environmental, humanitarian and other efforts, he said.

    For example, in 2007 the prize went to climate activist Al Gore and the U.N.’s panel on climate change, and in 2009 the committee cited Obama for “extraordinary efforts” to boost international diplomacy.

    “Do you see Obama as a promoter of abolishing the military as a tool of international affairs?” Heffermehl asked rhetorically.

    Nobel, a Swedish industrialist and inventor, gave only vague guidelines for the peace prize in his 1895 will, saying it should honor “work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”

    Nobel said the peace prize should be awarded by a Norwegian committee, and the other Nobel Prizes by committees in Sweden. The two Scandinavian nations were in a union at the time.

    Geir Lundestad, the nonvoting secretary of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, dismissed Heffermehl’s claims.

    “Fighting climate change is definitely closely related to fraternity between nations. It even concerns the survival of some states,” he told AP.

    Still, the County Administrative Board decided to sent a letter to the Stockholm-based Nobel Foundation, which manages the prize assets, requesting a formal response to the allegations.

    “We have no basis to suggest that they haven’t managed it properly. But we want to investigate it,” Wiman said.

    “The prize committee must always adjust its rules to today’s society,” he said. “But peace work has to be at the core — it can’t deviate too much from that,” Wiman said.

    The peace prize and the Nobel awards in chemistry, physics, medicine, literature and economics are always handed out Dec. 10, the anniversary of Alfred Nobel’s death.

    http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/50843

  222. moononpluto
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Holy Shit, it aint Gingrich.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/02/breaking-trump-to-back-romney/

    Washington (CNN) – Donald Trump will endorse Mitt Romney for president, sources with knowledge of the endorsement tell CNN.

    Trump will make the announcement Thursday in Las Vegas, two days before the Nevada caucuses.
    ———-

    Trump supporting Romney would make more sense to me since Romney has big bucks, the GOP and has momentum from the last win.
    Trump likes Newt and Mitt and said he would support either candidate, but he wants someone that would also win the Independents…and picking Newt would be more of a gamble at the moment.

    I will wait and see what he actually says…

    I really don’t care who Trump picks, the only thing that interests me on this subject is if he will keep his word and run as an independent if his choice doesn’t win the primary.
    I also would never vote for who he picks, I play by my own rules…always have, always will. 😉

  223. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am
    —————-
    After you posted your link about the Sarah bashing at NoQ, I did visit there to defend her. I wrote something similar to “that for someone who defended her in the past, why was he using the same lies to smear her now?”

    As for Gingrich, he was called a serial adulterer. That may be true, but what did Larry think of Bill Clinton, and his purported behavior? Did he excuse it at the time? I have no idea. I wonder if he was a Bill Clinton supporter? Anyway, the next post from Larry was a post about the blog being his, and if you don’t like his opinions, you can leave. Such drama there.

    I think that I may have been one of Sarah’s only defenders there, though a couple of other posters indicated that they may just not come back. I wrote that they should check this site out since the admin is fair. I hope that the admin doesn’t mind getting a plug on another blog.

  224. By the way, and Basil broufht this up a couple of nights ago, Newt needs to stop whining. It makes him appear like a big baby. I hope things go well for his campaign, but he needs to stop whining, and then mayne he’ll get to winning.

  225. I also would never vote for who he picks, I play by my own rules..

    My sentence is a little misleading, I should have said:
    I would never vote for someone just because Trump endorsed them…

  226. What the Hell, Issa seemed to wimp out at the end of the hearing with only a tiny slap on the hand to Holder?

    I hope this isn’t the end of it…this was no thumpin’ in my book.

    I hope I am WRONG.

  227. It’s possible that an endorsement by a person that I have some respect for would make me pay a bit more attention to the person endorsed, but at the end of the day, I still vote for who I want.

  228. Mrs Smith: “How bout I post a tutorial on changing the password on your e-mail account”
    =========

    No need for that, I know how to do it and have done it 3 or 4 times. I even opened another account on google. She gets the password every time, no use trying to open a third account or changing passwords…

    I do repeat that I’m sorry about (and ashamed of) the nasty comment. It didn’t come from me and I’m pretty sure it won’t happen again (she has done this to a number of my correspondents, but only once each).

  229. Another tidbit for anyone that is interested:

    Ron Paul raises most campaign cash from military workers

    GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul consistently has said that the United States should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq and that American military bases around the world should be closed.

    In this campaign, Paul is getting more donations from people who work for the military than either President Obama or any of the other Republican presidential candidates. That analysis comes from Paul’s campaign and was confirmed recently by Politifact, the fact-checking project of the St. Petersburg Times.

    “Our fighting men and women take an oath to protect America, defend our Constitution and defend our borders,” Paul campaign chairman Jesse Benton said. “They look at Ron Paul and see a leader who takes their oath seriously and who will fight to ensure that we don’t misrepresent that oath by sending them off to police the world, instead of defending our country.”

    [snip]

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1

  230. Obama Chrysler On eBay: No Sale at $1 Million

    A 2005 Chrysler 300C said to be the one Barack Obama drove before becoming president failed to sell in an eBay auction that ended late last night. As Driver’s Seat reported yesterday, the minimum bid was $1 million. The car drew no bids.

    ——
    Maybe they can toss in a free photo with Barry and get a seller…

    😉

  231. Shadowfax: I haven’t gone anywhere, just reading through the blog without saying anything. I don’t want to get mixed up in this Newt/Willard firefight. I appreciate your comments on the matter, though, our attitudes are about the same: we’re on the sidelines in the R primary battle.

    I don’t have any hard information on the JFK assassination, nor does anyone else: except that the official version doesn’t hold a candle to what really happened. I think that, even when the Warren Commission’s report is made public, we won’t get to the core of the affair.

    In that report, though, there will be strong evidence of collaboration with southern businessmen, several from Texas, who perhaps preferred LBJ to JFK. However, organizing Oswald’s trip to and from Russia, through Cuba, to Dallas and into a “bird’s nest” in a warehouse that was off the pre-established route for JFK’s motorcade while the route was conveniently changed at the last minute, all that just stinks of an affair that was far too well organized to be anything but a CIA-driven plot.

    Remember, CIA and their Cuban refugees had it in for JFK when he assumed responsibility for the Bay of Pigs fiasco, blowing the cover for CIA Covert Operations. Thereafter, i.e. from the outset, JFK was no longer advised of anything happening in CIA Covert, which is a sovereign entity unto itself and has no compunctions about killing or risking the lives of American citizens.

    Thus, the “conspiracy theories” involving CIA/DIA (defense intelligence) involvement in the destruction of the World Trade Center (which a lot of people hated before 9/11) are not so hairy as they may seem at first.

  232. jeswezey

    We are pretty much on the same page over Wilberrrr and Newt.

    Do you think the JFK movie is closer to the truth? It talks about many things you mentioned above.
    My feeling is that the Feds are hiding something, or there would be no reason to keep it from the public until all the folks that were adults at the time of the assassination, were dead. Single bullet, no way.

    The whole group of agencies, left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing is convenient for the finger pointing game, where no one is responsible nor accountable. Barry assigning unqualified Czars on top of that, makes things even worse.

    We are so effed on all of this.

  233. nomobama

    Ya know the Obama’s are always out for a quick buck and think they are so much more entitled then everyone else.

  234. [Hillary] Clinton appealed to Security Council members to make their place known, asking, “Whose side are you on?

    “Are you on the side of the Syrian people?” she asked. “Are you on the side of the Arab League? Are you on the side of the people of the Middle East and North Africa who have during his past year spoken out courageously and often for their rights?”

    Or, Clinton asked, “Are you on the side of a brutal dictatorial regime?”

    ====================

    Sounds like she still likes Arab Spring.

  235. Mrs. Smith said:
    “However, just not interested in responding wasting time on emotional questions like the impeachment or hypocritical infidelities.”

    BAsil said:
    I don’t need to discuss those issues but I do need to remain aware of them. IMO, NG showed his true – disgusting- character with those proceedings. A leopard can’t change his spots, a zebra can’t change his stripes. I don’t believe for a minute he’s suddenly found religion (with Calista’s help, of course) and is a changed man. I didn’t trust or like him then and I do not trust or like him now.

    ======================

    Bravo, Basil, I agree!

    Such past actions can’t be dismissed as “emotional questions”. Sure we have feelings about them, and we may use emotional words to describe our positions. But the actions themselves are not just “emotional”, especially impeachment. Gingrich had real motives for that, ratrional motives of opposition to Bill’s policies. This shows us that his current claims of credit for ‘working with’ Bill on the budget are dishonest.

    Some people dismiss PUMA “feelings” about the cheats of 2008 as “emotional questions” or “disgruntled Hillary supporters” etc. But these were real actions, and our judgement is rational even if we express it in emotional terms.

  236. SAhadowfax,

    UW’s post is great.

    Especially liked this point.

    In 2009 the committee cited Obama for “extraordinary efforts” to boost international diplomacy.

    That’s really amusing, considering the deadline for nominations is February 1, which would mean Barack Obama made “‘extraordinary efforts to boost international diplomacy” in the first 10 days of his Presidency. Boy, he really is Superman. And let’s face it, before his run for President, the only other thing he ever did was run for office, get elected one way or another, and start running for his next office the next day. Even he knew his Nobel Peace Prize was a big joke:

    Like everything else he comes in contact with, BO has permanently and irreparably damaged the Nobel.

  237. Basil99

    I watched the last half an hour of the hearing and Issa thanked Holder for his attendance…bla, bla, bla and I didn’t get the feeling that anything came out of it.

    I have no clue as to what is up at this point now that the hearing is over.

  238. Obama: I Pushed Dodd-Frank And Health Care Reform

    ==============

    How would it get through during his term (before 2011) without him pushing it? Which means it’s probably a fake, like his other ‘accomplishments’.

  239. I wouldn’t want to be in this guy’s shoes today…

    TRENDING: Gingrich press secretary fights off Trump questions

    Las Vegas, Nevada (CNN) – R.C. Hammond did not have a good morning.

    A gaggle of frustrated reporters swarmed Newt Gingrich’s perpetually-exhausted traveling press secretary before the candidate’s Thursday morning event in Las Vegas, demanding to know why campaign advisers had erroneously informed various media outlets that business mogul and reality television star Donald Trump was set to endorse Gingrich.

    Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

    CNN broke the news Thursday that Trump will actually be endorsing Mitt Romney.

    But multiple news outlets – including The Associated Press, The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Politico – reported the previous evening that Gingrich would be the one to land the endorsement, citing sources inside the campaign.

    Was the communications mix-up a sign of the campaign’s disorganization?

    Or had Trump given Gingrich assurances about his endorsement, and then backed away?

    With a raft of digital audio recorders shoved in his face, Hammond refused to answer the questions.

    “The only person who knows what Donald Trump is going to do today is Donald Trump,” he said, repeating the line at least five different times.

    When reporters continued to press, Hammond demanded to know what campaign sources had talked.

    “Who are they?” he asked.

    No one named names – reporters don’t like to reveal their sources, after all – so Hammond, clutching his coffee, tried to meander away.

    “I am not talking to you guys anymore,” he huffed. “I can only say the same thing 16 times.”

    Still, some reporters followed, wanting more details about the Trump drama.

    “I am already tired of you,” he said, brushing them off. “I need to take a nap.”

  240. Someone mentioned they preferred Newt because he has mentioned his 2 grandchildren. Well, Mitt has 16 grandchildren so I honestly don’t see that as a basis for comparison other than Newt apparently has publicly said that is a reason for his presidential run and Mitt has not.

    ===================

    LOL! Right. Point for Romney, speaking about real issues instead of wasting time on emotionalistic appeals about grandchildren.

  241. Donald did it.

    But what struck me is the smarmy dismissive way Shepherd Smith covered it. What is up with that jacka$$? It almost seems like he’s embarrassed to be employed at FOX and wants to make sure to differentiate himself from his colleagues and let the viewers know he sides with the dims on most issues. I can’t stand him.

    Over at MSNB there were 2 black guys and that other idiot Nashir Basheer or whatever his name is and you can just guess what their attitude was,

    Smith, in the meantime, jumped all over Trump’s statements the minute the endorsement was over and pointed – with glee -to a couple of misquotes in the CBO numbers Trump cited.

    They need to fire his butt. he’s almost as abd as that other jerk, Alan Colmes, who sometimes appears on Hannity or O’Reilly.

    Classless fothermuckers.

  242. I also think Newt has spent his life in the Washington/academia/ K-Street cocoon and honestly has as little if not less, understanding of the real America as MR.

    ==================

    Good point. Obama presented himself as ‘anti-establishment’ or ‘outsider’ too.

    Romney’s Mormon background isn’t exactly establishment elite either. The GOP establishment might have other reasons for preferring him.

  243. Classless fothermuckers.

    😆 I lucked out…as it were, watched the live feed on Foxnews and there was no spin from anyone on it, just the video link, pure and simple.

  244. I almost (but not quite) feel sorry for Newt. He really is bright and it’s clear he’s been outspent.

    OTOH, he’s been in politrix all his life and if he didn’t understand money talks and BS walks, well, what can I say.

    I also think Mitt is a clumsy socially inept kind of a guy who doesn’t always know the right thing to say or do. Today when Trump announced his endorsement, Mitt applauded which was strange as it appeared he was applauding himself.

    It seemed like his wife tried to rein him in.

    In any case, this is an interesting development since Mitt is the one who refused to be interviewed by Trump and because of Trump’s following among tea party members.

    There was also a lot of support here for Trump when it seemed he might become a candidate.

  245. Basil99
    Mitt refused to be interviewed by Trump?

    I know Mitt said that he couldn’t attend Trump’s debate because he had a previous engagement…where as Newt and sweaters agreed to attend.

    According to this section of an article, Mitt went to Trump Tower, as did most of the candidates:

    …Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is the next presidential hopeful scheduled to meet with Trump, on Monday in New York. Texas Gov. Rick Perry dined with Trump earlier this month at a fancy Manhattan restaurant. Sarah Palin, still toying with a potential presidential bid, shared pizza with Trump and his wife, Melania, in Times Square last spring. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann visited Trump’s penthouse atop the Trump Tower in July. (Sept 2011)

  246. “I know Mitt said that he couldn’t attend Trump’s debate because he had a previous engagement…where as Newt and sweaters agreed to attend.”

    That’s what I meant. D@mn. I’m on painkillers cause of shoulder pain and I think I should not post until the meds wear off.

    😳

  247. Rep. Heath Shuler, a Blue Dog Dem., will not run for re-election. Announced earlier today.

    Sad as he actually was the one who gave so much grief to Pelousy.

  248. Mrs Smith, I so agree with you, and you put it so succinctly. It is BUSH v SOROS. God help us.

    Romney is a liar; just witness the ads he ran in Florida that were out and out lies; and people called for them to be pulled. There were ads against Gingrich just as there were ads against Romney, but the 3 or four Romney ads against Gingrich I am talking about were LIES; and they ran so repeatedly, ad nauseum really, that it became brainwashing. Romney refused to pull them. And the people fell for it. I understand the dirty politics; but when you beat one politician over the head for immoral behavior, why would you condone it in another? Romney and his pacs LIE. And that surprised me about him, and disappointed me. I will never trust him again; plus if he in fact is not a citizen, has he not lied again by the fact that he is running for POTUS?

  249. Hmmm, interesting.

    For Romney and Paul, a strategic alliance between establishment and outsider

    RENO, NEV. — The remaining candidates in the winnowed Republican presidential field are attacking one another with abandon, each day bringing fresh headlines of accusations and outrage.

    But Mitt Romney and Ron Paul haven’t laid a hand on each other.

    They never do.

    Compared to other candidates’ contingents, Paul supporters are often the most vocal, the most visible and the most flamboyant. And many of them used to call themselves Democrats, or still do.

    Despite deep differences on a range of issues, Romney and Paul became friends in 2008, the last time both ran for president. So did their wives, Ann Romney and Carol Paul. The former Massachusetts governor compliments the Texas congressman during debates, praising Paul’s religious faith during the last one, in Jacksonville, Fla. Immediately afterward, as is often the case, the Pauls and the Romneys gravitated toward one another to say hello.

    The Romney-Paul alliance is more than a curious connection. It is a strategic partnership: for Paul, an opportunity to gain a seat at the table if his long-shot bid for the presidency fails; for Romney, a chance to gain support from one of the most vibrant subgroups within the Republican Party.

    “It would be very foolish for anybody in the Republican Party to dismiss a very real constituency,” said one senior GOP aide in Washington who is familiar with both camps. “Ron Paul plays a very valuable part in the process and brings a lot of voters toward the Republican Party and ultimately into the voting booth, and that’s something that can’t be ignored.”

    To ensure that they are heard — not just now but after Election Day, too — Paul and his followers are working to gain a permanent foothold in the Republican Party nationwide. One state at a time, Paul’s supporters are seating themselves at county committee meetings, and standing for election as state officers and convention delegates, to make sure their candidate’s libertarian vision is taken into account. The goal is a lasting voice for an army of outsiders that has long felt ignored and sees the nation headed toward ruin if things don’t change.

    That is just fine with the Romney campaign, which would be happy to bring Paul’s constituency — perhaps the most intense and loyal in the country — into the fold.

    Romney’s aides are “quietly in touch with Ron Paul,” according to a Republican adviser who is in contact with the Romney campaign and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss its internal thinking. The two campaigns have coordinated on minor things, the adviser said — even small details, such as staggering the timing of each candidate’s appearance on television the night of the New Hampshire primary for maximum effect.

    One advantage for Romney is that Paul’s presence in the race helps keep the GOP electorate fractured. But there is also a growing recognition that the congressman plans to stay in the contest over the long term — and that accommodating him and his supporters could help unify Republican voters in the general election against President Obama.

    “Ron Paul wants a presence at the convention,” the adviser said — and Romney, if he is the nominee, would grant it.

    What Paul and his supporters would demand, and what Romney would offer, are subjects of some speculation. One Paul adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity to talk freely, said prime-time speaking slots for Paul and his son Rand, the junior senator from Kentucky, are obvious goals. On the policy front, Ron Paul’s priorities are reforming the Federal Reserve and reducing federal spending. So promises to audit the Fed and to tackle deficit reduction seriously could appease the congressman and his supporters, the adviser said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-paul-and-romney-a-strategic-alliance-between-outsider-and-establishment/2012/01/20/gIQAf8foiQ_story.html

  250. Why Obama should be worried

    To hear Democrats (and much of the media) tell it, President Barack Obama is a man on the rebound. The president turned in a strong State of the Union speech, picked a smart political fight over taxing the rich and authorized another heroic Navy SEAL mission in terrorist territory. Sounds like a recipe for reelection, they say. [Oooo, what a record!]

    There is a big problem with this Pollyanna punditry: There are a bunch of real-time numbers coming in that tell a much different tale. [pollyanna isn’t the word I would have used…]

    In short, there’s a new Congressional Budget Office report that shows unemployment likely to climb to nearly 9 percent by the election, there’s polling data showing Obama tied or trailing Mitt Romney in the most important swing states (and doing only marginally better against Ron Paul),

    ******Check this out********

    and there is mounting evidence that the assumption of a decisive Obama fundraising advantage for the fall might be flat wrong.

    ****************************

    All of this is happening while Republicans are at their worst, with Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich spending millions of dollars and using all of their air time explaining why the other is untrustworthy, deeply flawed and eminently beatable by Obama.

    Let’s look at each:

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72329.html#ixzz1lGhebsUj

  251. Got to do some catch up-

    Stunning that Trump endorsed Romney- After the accolades he showered on Gingrich-:roll:

    Something doesn’t just sit right- Notice the press releases were from all of Obama’s news outlets- maybe with the exception of CNN

    TRENDING: Gingrich press secretary fights off Trump questions

    Las Vegas, Nevada (CNN) – R.C. Hammond did not have a good morning.

    A gaggle of frustrated reporters swarmed Newt Gingrich’s perpetually-exhausted traveling press secretary before the candidate’s Thursday morning event in Las Vegas, demanding to know why campaign advisers had erroneously informed various media outlets that business mogul and reality television star Donald Trump was set to endorse Gingrich.

    Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

    CNN broke the news Thursday that Trump will actually be endorsing Mitt Romney.

    But multiple news outlets – including The Associated Press, The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Politico – reported the previous evening that Gingrich would be the one to land the endorsement, citing sources inside the campaign.

    Was the communications mix-up a sign of the campaign’s disorganization?
    ____________

    Yes, I feel bad for NG nothing hurts more than when false hopes are dashed! How many times have we been there before?

    It wouldn’t surprise me, the Obama Crime Team leaked the Trump announcement was going to NG because they knew it was false..and would have a devastating effect on any potential donors to Gingrich.. They really are threatened NG’s campaign will resurrect itself for the third time..and prevail by some miracle…

    I’m really glad we are not the ones suffering through the dirty tricks played on NG by the Obama’s thugs….

  252. Gag me with a frickin’ spoon………
    ——–

    House Dems ‘so in love’ with Obama

    House Democrats recorded a parody of Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together” for President Barack Obama at their recent annual retreat. They gave a CD of the recording to Obama but did not make the lyrics public. Here they are, according to a copy provided to POLITICO:

    “We’re … We’re so in love with you …

    We’re going to help you make it through …

    By turning the red states blue …

    You make us feel so darn proud …

    We want to shout it out loud …

    Let’s bring the country together …

    Supporting you whether … whether times are good or bad … happy or sad

    Let’s bring the country together …

    Supporting you whether … whether times are good or bad … happy or sad

    Let’s … Let’s stay together.”

    Lyrics by Rep. John B. Larson (D-Conn.) and Terisa Griffin, with “apologies to Al Green.”

    ————–> and special big, fat apologies to the American public from the idiots that selected

    this jackass into the WH.

  253. What the most brilliant President in whole of American History,
    Obama does All Day?

    What does he do all day? Are you impressed with the image of Obama-at-work left by Ryan Lizza’s “Obama Memos” piece in the New Yorker? The President’s decision-making method–at least as described in the piece–seems to consist mainly of checking boxes on memos his aides have written for him.
    He’s presented a plan for a watered-down tax on multinationals or a very watered down tax. He writes “worth discussing.”
    …Finally, he’s presented with a classic three-box-con memo–two extreme boxes (big new jobs package, big new deficit package) and a safer middle box (“smaller, more symbolic” deficit efforts), a matrix clearly designed to get him to choose the middle option. He chooses the middle option.

    Read

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/02/02/leaked-memos-lead-media-to-ask-what-does-obama-do-all-day/

  254. democrat1

    Checking little boxes takes time, they just didn’t want their boy to get too tuckered out to play golf.

  255. jeswezey
    February 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Mrs Smith: “How bout I post a tutorial on changing the password on your e-mail account”
    =========

    No need for that, I know how to do it and have done it 3 or 4 times. I even opened another account on google. She gets the password every time, no use trying to open a third account or changing passwords…

    I do repeat that I’m sorry about (and ashamed of) the nasty comment. It didn’t come from me and I’m pretty sure it won’t happen again (she has done this to a number of my correspondents, but only once each).
    _______________

    jeswezy, your apology sounds so sincere. Like words coming from an old friend on DU- with the avatar, mountain snake.. We would defend Hillary there from the onslaught of Obot posters with pileon’s of 5 or 6 posters at a time attempting to overpower Hillary supporters- and why I chose Mrs Smith for my new avatar here… (taken from the movie, popular at the time, Mr and Mrs Smith, simulating the attack on them by CiA operatives mid-way through the film-)

    That being said- do you really think I am interested in a loaded question framed as a discussion about socialism and how it relates to Israel? Let me put your mind at ease- I’m not.. and I don’t think this is the proper forum for a philosophical discussion about socialism.

    However, I am interested in living in the present- and the reference in my post to socialism you picked up on, emanates from Obama’s vision of America, period.

    Current events are key right now seeing the elections are just around the corner..

  256. The title of the movie should be:
    “Destroying the Tea Party and Sarah Palin-” there’s Larry and NQ standing in the Front line leading the charge-

    Big Brave Bull- pshaw!

  257. ShortTermer
    February 2nd, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Mrs Smith, I so agree with you, and you put it so succinctly. It is BUSH v SOROS. God help us.

    Romney is a liar; just witness the ads he ran in Florida that were out and out lies; and people called for them to be pulled. There were ads against Gingrich just as there were ads against Romney, but the 3 or four Romney ads against Gingrich I am talking about were LIES; and they ran so repeatedly, ad nauseum really, that it became brainwashing. Romney refused to pull them. And the people fell for it. I understand the dirty politics; but when you beat one politician over the head for immoral behavior, why would you condone it in another? Romney and his pacs LIE. And that surprised me about him, and disappointed me. I will never trust him again; plus if he in fact is not a citizen, has he not lied again by the fact that he is running for POTUS?
    ________________

    It’s amazing- when you boil this whole election down to the bare facts. Taking into account the rhetoric coming from both sides, there is NO difference.. Then the shocking Turth when you draw back the curtain seeing those two old Daddys sitting on their thrones manipulating people’s lives- it makes you just want to spit!

  258. Top headline on Drudge

    Is Israel preparing to attack Iran?

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has a lot on his mind these days, from cutting the defense budget to managing the drawdown of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. But his biggest worry is the growing possibility that Israel will attack Iran over the next few months.

    Panetta believes there is a strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June — before Iran enters what Israelis described as a “zone of immunity” to commence building a nuclear bomb. Very soon, the Israelis fear, the Iranians will have stored enough enriched uranium in deep underground facilities to make a weapon — and only the United States could then stop them militarily.

    [snip]

  259. Gingrich… NOT SO FAST!

    Newt 2012 Statement on Florida Delegate Allocation

    Atlanta, GA – Newt 2012 Florida State Chair and former Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum released this statement today about the campaign’s plans regarding the Florida GOP delegate allocation:

    The Gingrich campaign is confirming that the Republican Party of Florida is to abide by RNC Rule 15(b)(2) and instruction from Chairman Reince Priebus in his letter of December 21, 2011.

    As noted by Chariman Priebus, “winner-take-all” states cannot hold a primary or caucus before April 1, 2012. Clearly the rules require that Florida’s delegates be allocated proportionately.

    In the unlikely event that the State Party will not be following its rules, the campaign will take appropriate action.

    …….

    Great post from a Greta commentator:

    TheresaAK

    In Romney’s response on CNN Wednesday morning, in which he said he wasn’t “concerned about the very poor,” he went on to make another remarks we ought to examine. I realize what he was trying to say, but what his full statement revealed is that he doesn’t understand why the country is on the verge of total collapse. In stating his lack of concern, he mentioned that “we have a safety net” and that if it’s broken, he’ll “fix it.” This is the problem with Romney: We don’t need to “fix” the safety net. Instead, we need to dismantle it. What his reflex reveals is what conservatives have known about Romney from the outset: He is a big government Republican who wants to “patch” the system, but he has no vision for overhaul of a welfare state that dehumanizes, and converts Americans into a permanent underclass, rather than to help them restore their dignity.

    Conservatives understand that the welfare state “safety net” cannot be maintained in its current form because it functions too well as a hammock, but not so much as a trampoline. This difference is something Gingrich well understands, and was at the heart of his rebuke of Juan Williams in the Fox News Debate in South Carolina two weeks ago. Taking the approach of Gingrich was a stunningly successful rebuke of the leftist talking points that will predominate in the general election when the Republican nominee squares off against Barack Obama. Romney doesn’t seem to grasp this, and it’s because he’s part of the Northeast liberal Republican establishment that tends to view the underclass as the object of their own well-intended welfare statism. They think that people in poverty cannot lift themselves, and they concede the matter by collaborating on the growth of the welfare state with all the other liberals.

    It is this fact that should worry you about Mitt’s alleged “electability,” and it further demonstrates why Mitt simply doesn’t get it. He can’t identify this thinking, because his blue-blooded reflexes are in agreement with lefties’ views of the poor. He sees them as the inevitable victims of life’s lottery, and not as people who should be launched into productive, self-sustaining lives of prosperity. In effect, he sees them with the same underlying contempt as liberals actually feel, and expects them to remain a perpetual burden, with no hope of re-training, education, growth, development, or anything that would lead them to an earned prosperity. If you want to understand the failings of Mitt Romney, it is here you must begin your journey, because what this small slip-up helps you to understand is that at his fundamental root, he suffers all the same moral and philosophical failings of a leftist. He is one of them.

    This is where his tendency toward allegedly benevolent big-government programs is born, and it is here that he aborts conservatism. In his first reflex, when it counts most, his response is to push people toward a safety net built not of voluntary private actions by citizens in outreach to others among their own number, but to reckless big-spending government programs that convert individual poor people with momentary life issues into a permanent, institutionalized underclass that will never escape, and can never prosper, and must forever be a burden to their fellow men. It is a hopeless, wilting view of humanity that surrenders to the notion that some people are helpless, from birth, by virtue of their environment, or both. It assumes that people may be left in such circumstances until doomsday, with no expectations that they will ever lift themselves from that condition.

    This giant hole in Mitt Romney’s understanding of conservatism is one of the larger reasons he cannot win in November 2012, because what it admits is a view of the poor much in line with Barack Obama’s, and it pays homage to the same faulty preconceptions about those who languish in our welfare system, where opportunities are seldom recognized, much less pursued. It explains his inability to connect with conservatives too, because in this view of the poor, Romney prescribes precisely that which will not help those so-afflicted. He’s admitting that he will be another governmental enabler, like the government programs in which the methadone substitutes for other chemicals, keeping the user strung out in lifelong stupor, but yielding no rehabilitation, either in addiction, or dignity. This is Mitt Romney, and it’s why

  260. Hanniry has all the GOP S on now…except for Ron Paul- he declined.
    So far it looks like all thee dogs are not on at the same time. 😉

  261. BASIL99
    February 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
    Jan,

    Thanks for the caveat. I haven’t seen the ads you are speaking of. I live in NYS and to tell the truth I don’t watch much TV and I would imagine they wouldn’t be shown here anyway, at least not yet.

    “I might have spoken up for Romney but those ads he put out in Florida grinding Gingrich down with lies about him, as well as his smarmy attitude, has just turned me off.”
    ****************************

    I think we all need to keep some sense of objectivity…

    for example, I live in Florida…most of Romney’s ad’s rehashed what actually happened to Newt…he did leave the house…he was reprimanded, etc…R ad’s just kept pounding that…Hillary or Bill or Newt could have said the same thing…those did actually happen…it’s called opposition research 101…

    Romney also had positive ads on about his family and what he wants to do etc…

    to be fair, Newt had to re-do TWO of his ads in Florida…one on his attack on R and immigration…Rubio came out against it and said it was not true and Newt took it down…then G had an ad out using Huckabee saying that R was untrustable, etc…it was taken out of context and not about R and Huckabee publicly denounced it and Newt cut Huckabee out of the ad…

    …so this is not one sided…

    and towards the end, Newt did get very desperate when he started in with R not allowing kosher food for seniors in Mass, etc…that was totally debunked as false…it looked desperate and became a joke on the morning radio shows, etc

    they both embellish and they both tweak the truth and some actually lie…

    ******************

    as for Newt trying to get Fla delegates, in Florida, with the republicans, the winner takes all, so he will not get any delegates…the delegates were cut in half and probably they will get the other half back at the convention, the way the dems screwed us during our democratic primary…but at least you have to hand it to the repubs, at least they had a primary…they got to see their candidates and have rallys…the dems during the clinton-O primaties were completely shut out of all participation…i call that freaking undemocratic…the dems were useless here…

    *******************

    as far as some people trying to shut down others here, I do think they have been a few instances of it on all sides…I recall reading a few threads ago the implication that this was a Gingrich site and R supporters were immature and they were actually obots that came here to start trouble and digs were being thrown at them…so let’s try to be fair, honest and objective…and see each other’s side, not only ours

    **********************

    Basil, I agree with your comment up there somewhere when you mention that R is very clumsy…he does not know how to self edit and does say some very stupid things…it makes me think that he really is not a politician at heart…some of the things are taken out of context but for a politician they are ‘amateurous mistakes’ and as also stated above, we know the MSM is not only ready to pounce, but also ready to set him up to make another stupid mistake…so he really needs some coaching on that…

    Newt it too much like O…very thin skinned and he takes everything too personally…it is his archilles heal…his weakness…at times, he comes across very angry and cranky…and it makes him look like an old, cranky “history” professor…he needs to get that under control…

    they both need to keep their eyes on the prize…defeating O…not destroying any chance of either of them accomplishing the mission…

  262. OT…so what gives, is MO auditioning for “dancing with the stars”…she seems to be everywhere shaking her booty…and in black leather, no less…

    great idea

    let O go to American Idol and MO can go to dancing with the stars (Or so, you think you can dance?)

  263. S

    I thing MO and BO can both fit on the Gong Show.

    G-O-N-G!! Man with a big hook enters left, removes each of them before Barry finishes “…..so in Lov…….”. (yank)

  264. I watch Geta every night, she is my favorite, and she interviews Trump very often. When she talked to him tonight, I noticed she and Trump did not have the normal smile while talking. She grilled him on why he picked Wilberrr, why not Newt, and how he made this decision.

    Trump kind of stuck to his guns, more than he usually does with Greta, she seemed surprised at his choice. I don’t know if she thought Trump would tell her in advance, since she has had him on her show so many times, or if she just expected that he favored Newt.

    I love it when she always asks if Hillary would have been a better President…he always answers YES and says how she SHOULD have won, was winning all the states while he limped across the finish line. How she would have united the country instead of how Barry has ripped it apart.

    I wonder if she predicted Newt or not.

  265. Greta was kinda frisky toniht, she also grilled Issa on F & F and was ticked that it’s been 13 months and Congress still doesn’t know who knew and when….

  266. Here it is Feb 2 and I am just getting to reading all the comments. I have said that I read and appreciate your comments nomobama but this one:

    nomobama
    February 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm ?

    “Pee pressure only backfires with me.”
    ____________

    Can you hear me laughing?

  267. Here’s an example of how Romney Lies with Ease:

    NY Times October 15, 1967

    Governor Romney said today that the question of his constitutional eligibility for office had been studied by lawyers and that he believed it posed no problem. … Governor Romney said that he did not have to file any papers to become an American citizen since both his parents had been born in the United States. …

    1967? 1967? This article is about Governor GEORGE Romney, who ran for president in 1968. When son Mitt was age 21 — 35 years before Mitt became a governor.

  268. Betty
    February 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
    ————–
    I had a good laugh with that myself. It reminded of a recent mistake in which I typed something to the effect that Tea Party supporters ate good people, instead of “are good people”, making the sound like cannibals.

  269. Betty
    February 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
    ————–
    I had a good laugh with that myself. It reminded of a recent mistake in which I typed something to the effect that Tea Party supporters ate good people, instead of “are good people”, making them sound like cannibals.

  270. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    ——————-
    The comment by TheresaAK was something else. I summed up in a comment on Noquarterusa two days ago that Romney is basically a liberal. TheresaAK wrote it in words that would have taken me hours to write, and even then, I would probably have not been anywhere near as effective. She nailed this. It’s how I perceive him, so it’s good to see a well thought out reasoning that helps explain my own thoughts using her clarity. Thanks for posting it.

  271. Being that Romney is closer to a Democrat than most Republicans, I understand why people who were Democrat at one time, or who lean Democrat in general, would support Mitt, or feel more comfortable with him because his views are probably much like their own (and I am not pointing anyone out here at all, just writing something here that I thought about the other day after the results of the Florida primary. He’s like that old comfy recliner or pair of slippers that people feel good about. I don’t see anything wrong with that if you are inclined to accept the status quo, but for me, I am hoping for real dynamic change. One I feel can deliver that, the other I feel much less likely to do so. Again, it’s still ABO for me regardless.

  272. One positive that I can think about for Romney is what is bothering skme of the commenters here, and that is his ability to play dirty. He better be hitting Obama with every sleazy thing he can think of because it pays. The more a lie is told, the more it becomesthe truth for many.

  273. Regarding media coverage of GOP Race, Larry Mendte (WPIX NY) notes: study finds amount of negative coverage is directly proportional to the candidate’s position in the race. Higher rating, more negativity. Purpose? to extend opportunity for covering current race until the next race is positioned for coverage. Video.
    http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/07559dac-ff12-4364-a073-f29ae3362d81/News/GOP-Race-Media-Coverage

    Too bad Larry could not make the same case for the other big party.

  274. lorac
    February 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Here’s an example of how Romney Lies with Ease:

    NY Times October 15, 1967

    Governor Romney said today that the question of his constitutional eligibility for office had been studied by lawyers and that he believed it posed no problem. … Governor Romney said that he did not have to file any papers to become an American citizen since both his parents had been born in the United States. …

    1967? 1967? This article is about Governor GEORGE Romney, who ran for president in 1968. When son Mitt was age 21 — 35 years before Mitt became a governor.
    _______________

    No, lorac- the point of the article is that Mitt Romney’s father, George, was born in Mexico and NOT a natural born citizen. (that is where the LIE is) Mitt’s father’s citizenship was questioned when as governor he announced he had interest in seeking the presidency. Initially, because of his high political connections and support from establishment Republicans i.e. Rockefeller etc. The Lie repeated numerous times and often enough affirming he was a US Citizen even to the point of newspaper articles publishing the lie over and over again from thought of reliable news publications (with this blog’s intermittent injections of a comparison to the unanswered question of nbc ship we have with the current president and the indifference of newspaper publications working to sort out the Truth.)

    Admittedly, the article could have been written better with consideration to the repetitive names in the Romney family designated with Roman Numerals as I-II-III etc.

    Consequently, another question unaddressed in the extensive research contained in that article and failed to be raised- the laws pertaining to situations where a child is born of one parent not a US citizen and one that is- In order to assure citizenship is maintained by the child and affirmed in the eyes of the law, that child must register again in the US before the age of 18 yrs old whether they are residing in the US or not. Neither Romney nor Obama, according to the same article posted by democrat1, have met the threshold of that requirement.

  275. JanH
    February 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    They may revoke Obama’s Nobel
    __________________

    They should- and suggest revoking Obama’s 208 election to the presidency- as well as the awards gone to Gore, Carter, and Bush.

  276. lorac-

    you can also read the post by democrat1 here:

    reconfirming he and I are on the same page with our conclusion that Mitt Romney is lying and also not considered a nbc according to the law- and is lying when he says both his parents are nbc…

    democrat1
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    It seems not only the One, but also Mittens is also not qualified under our constitution because they are not “natural born citizens.”

  277. nomobama
    February 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am
    —————-
    After you posted your link about the Sarah bashing at NoQ, I did visit there to defend her. I wrote something similar to “that for someone who defended her in the past, why was he using the same lies to smear her now?”
    ___________

    Thanks, and well appreciated. It was the right thing to do seeing she is unaware and cannot defend her-self from the wildly sexist, chauvinistic post written by Larry Johnson. For all that Sarah has done in her efforts supporting the military and for that matter, supporting Americans, raising questions why the president isn’t concerned about their pain and suffering due to his mishandling of the economy
    …………

    As for Gingrich, he was called a serial adulterer. That may be true, but what did Larry think of Bill Clinton, and his purported behavior? Did he excuse it at the time? I have no idea. I wonder if he was a Bill Clinton supporter? Anyway, the next post from Larry was a post about the blog being his, and if you don’t like his opinions, you can leave. Such drama there.
    ……

    At the time, I’m not sure if LJ had a blog- and seeing he is devoid of any principles, his opinions support whichever way the wind blows on any given day- if his present history is any indicator of what his leanings were then- he was a vocal member of the pile-on club because opportunists aren’t fighters. They are self-absorbed, self-promoting individuals riding high on the wave of political expediency.
    …..

    I think that I may have been one of Sarah’s only defenders there, though a couple of other posters indicated that they may just not come back. I wrote that they should check this site out since the admin is fair. I hope that the admin doesn’t mind getting a plug on another blog.
    ….

    I am not surprised you might have been her only defender there. I was amazed not one poster had the gumption and/or courage to stand up to him.. Of course, I’m basing my opinion on supposition in case his magic fingers were responsible for clearing the deck (deleting) of any opinions opposing his-

    Who said, rotten tomatoes lack a purpose?

  278. Hey guys:

    There are only 5 people who can become president as of today. Shouldn’t we all figure out who is the best, and focus our attention on trying to get the best candidate as our next president? Ron Paul is the only one who stands for Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom. And he is the only honest candidate with a track record of consistency. Mitt’s largest donor is Goldman Sachs. In 2008, Obama’s largest donor was Goldman Sachs. Newt is a better liar than Obama and a complete hypocrite going after Clinton for adultery while he was doing the same thing, and making millions on lobbying for Freddie Mac (Do a youtube search on Newt Gingrich: Serial Hypocrisy ). Santorum is a phony with family values while he focuses more on gay marriage than on child abuse. Neither Newt or Santorum can win the nomination because they did not make it on the ballot of several states that equate to 500 delegates. They are just there to prevent Ron Paul from winning. Ron Paul is the clear choice if you want real change (Do a youtube search on The Ron Paul Revolution DEFINED). For those who care about Israel, note that we give more foreign aid to Israel’s enemies than we do to Israel. There is a media blackout on Ron Paul because the establishment fears him because he cannot be bought. Lastly, for those of you who want ABO, Ron Paul has the best chance of beating Obama because he can pull in independents and liberals who want an economy based on sound financial policies, respecting our Constitution again, and less government in our lives.

  279. nomobama
    February 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 am

    Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    ——————-
    The comment by TheresaAK was something else. I summed up in a comment on Noquarterusa two days ago that Romney is basically a liberal. TheresaAK wrote it in words that would have taken me hours to write, and even then, I would probably have not been anywhere near as effective. She nailed this. It’s how I perceive him, so it’s good to see a well thought out reasoning that helps explain my own thoughts using her clarity. Thanks for posting it.
    ____________

    Yes, I agree, her narrative was amazing.. there are hints of professional ability there as a serious author with a talent for writing in overview form. I doubt, she was able to write that post off the top of her head due to the serious thought involved drawing from both sides, using factual representations in her comparisons summed up with examples providing a commitment of an indisputable padlock of her opinion.

    My feeling when reading her post was how to ex-cogitate what she had written improving the understanding of what I had read with any appreciable difference finding it as difficult as it is to express a thing called ‘charm’ in any way original…

  280. Romney at the SLC Olympics

    Mitt Romney, in pledging to turn around the Olympics in 2002, had promised to restore the honor and integrity of the scandal-clouded Salt Lake City. The Games captured the world’s attention and became all the more urgent after terrorists attacked us on 9-11. But while Romney invoked the wellspring of American patriotism after the attacks, he neglected their heroes, the fallen firefighters of that early September morning.

    Romney’s executive assistant, Donna Tillery, twice denied requests to provide free or discounted tickets to widows and orphans of the felled firefighters but gave them for free to Utah legislators just six weeks later, according to a new book, “The Real Romney” (HarperCollins, 2012).

    Tillery sent e-mails to A.J. Barto, a former Salt Lake City firefighter helping the 9-11 widows and orphans, citing a policy barring giveaways,

    but Romney gave 100 free surplus tickets ($885 each) to Utah legislators.

    “I was outraged at the hypocrisy,” Barto told Kranis and Helman. “In less than two months, he went from saying, ‘We’re going to run a tight ship’ to throwing out free tickets to a group of people who could help him politically.” (221)

    The gifts would have helped Romney politically. After living in Utah for three years, Romney flirted with running for office in the Beehive State. He even reportedly contemplated running as a Democrat, though in the post-Olympics buzz there was no office available until 2004 which was too late for someone riding the successes of the the Games.

    Still it isn’t too much of a stretch to consider Romney running in Utah as a Democrat. Romney would likely have taken on Bob Bennett, then among the longest surviving senators in the Congress as a Democrat or replaced him on the Republican ticket like Senator Mike Lee did in 2010. In the shadow of 9-11, Congress had already earmarked $200 million to make the Games safe. After the attacks, Senator Robert Bennett of Utah appropriated $34.4 million. Romney often went with Bennett to lobby legislators to approve the additional funds.

    Either way, Romney would have gone on to sure victory if his poll numbers held. A Utah poll taken after the Olympics found Romney had 87% approval. Indeed, even today Romney, according to a recent poll, is very popular among Mormon Democrats, 62% of whom see him favorably.

    Part of his success came from the Olympics’ production value. Romney was quick to seize on the theatricality of the attacks now that America had entered the world stage. He read Winston Churchill often and gave a rousing speech to hundreds of staffers and volunteers that culminated in singing ‘God Bless America.’ He also backed the effort to have a tattered American flag, recovered from the World Trade Center, carried into the opening ceremony. Although other nations griped that this politicized the Games, Romney refused to back down, and the flag’s appearance was a quintessential American act of defiance. The silent respect of 55,000 spectators in Salt Lake City and 2 billion viewers around the world was quite a sight.

    But in forgetting America’s heroes and rewarding Utah’s legislators Romney may have done the survivors a disservice. Such stories may prove difficult for Romney in his bid for the presidency.

    http://biggovernment.com/cjohn

  281. John McCain: Send Newt Gingrich To the Moon!

    LAKELAND, Fla. – Get your space suit ready Newt. John McCain wants to send you to the moon.

    “I think we ought to send Newt Gingrich to the moon and Mitt Romney to the White House,” McCain said at a town hall here as he proudly unveiled a newly minted joke. “What do you think about that?”

    Earlier in the week, Gingrich promised to establish a permanent base on the moon by the end of his second term as president along with providing flights to Mars by 2020.

    McCain lauded Romney’s debate performance Thursday evening, calling it a “home run,” but also decried the emphasis placed on debates in this campaign cycle.

    “Because someone debates well does not mean necessarily they would be a good president,” McCain told reporters. “I’m deeply concerned about the fact that the tenor of these quote debates are now just insulting one another. They’re driving up disapproval ratings of all of them and will harm us in our effort to win the presidency, and the president sitting on the sidelines and watching has gained from it. ”

    McCain said the debates have ”deteriorated into mud wrestling.” The senator later corrected himself saying debates have turned into “mud slinging.”

    Gingrich has attempted to characterize the criticism emanating from prominent Republicans as coming from the “establishment,” which McCain said is not accurate, even noting that he’s not part of the establishment but instead a “maverick.”

    “I think that the Gingrich campaign is very intelligent in calling it quote the establishment. I’ve never considered myself quote establishment, but I guess that’s the only defense you have when you see such large numbers of Republican leaders coming over to the Romney campaign,” McCain said.

    McCain, who touted his “Straight Talk” mantra throughout the 2008 election, got out in front of the candidate a bit when asked who Romney should pick as a running mate.

    “Straight talk. Marco Rubio,” said McCain as he proceeded to extol the virtues of the Florida senator.

  282. Unemployment down to 8.3% and huge employment gains …this is not good news for those of us wanting Obama out of office.

  283. Hillary Clinton receives Baltic Freedom Award

    03.02.2012

    Baltic American Freedom League honoured U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with a Baltic Freedom Award, informs LETA/ELTA.

    The League decided to bestow the award on Clinton for her long term and effective support of the independency and security of the Baltic States and her efforts to develop Baltic-American cooperation.

    The U.S. Secretary of State thanked for the award, pointing out that the U.S. have long-standing traditions of cooperation with the Baltic nations.

    http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/?doc=8665

  284. jbstonesfan,

    Yes on the one hand it is a plus for obama. But on a bigger level it is a huge relief to those who finally have jobs again after struggling in a failing economy.

    I think the latter is more important here.

  285. Jbstonesman, really? “Huge” employment gains? Did you read the report? A record 1.2 million people have LEFT THE JOB FORCE. Participation in the job force is at a 30-year low of 63%. The CBO says that real unemployment is over 10%. Gallup has Obama hanging out at 44% approval. But we can count on you to be the Blog Downer, can’t we? If you don’t change your attitude to one that is more constructive towards the goal of getting Obama out of office, you can’t expect anyone to vote him out and your self-fulfilling pessimistic prophecy will prevail.

  286. True, but at this rate, we will be close to 7% unemployment by election time and that is the main issue upon which this election will be decided. What else does Romney have going for him? With continuing improvement, even modest, it will be next to impossible to defeat Obama as most people, unlike us, like this guy. I was excited about the CBO report which said the true rate was 10%, but this sort of negates that and the media has it plastered all over. I am now giving up any hope-sorry.
    PS-JanH..with Obama now a sure re-elect, Israel must strike soon!!! A second term will pretty much guarantee a huge departure in US support, so they need to hit now and Obama will reluctantly have to re-supply arms before election to maintain his Jewish base(even the lefties would be upset if Israel civilian centers are hit by Iranian missiles after the attack-I think?).

  287. My Republican House Rep is not taking that job news lying down. Last part of statement he just issued:

    “The unemployment rate has been hovering above the 8-percent mark for 36 months, the longest period of high unemployment since the Great Depression.

    “If anything, today’s report is a reinforcement of the fact that President Obama’s policies have failed. He can no longer blame the sad state of the economy on previous administrations.

    “I call on President Obama to acknowledge the fact that his policies have only made a bad economy worse and ask him to consider a fresh approach. He can put 20,000 Americans back to work instantly by granting approval to the Keystone XL Pipeline and he can urge his colleagues in the Senate to take action on the nearly 30 job-creating bills passed by the House of Representatives. He needs to look no further than Senate Leader Harry Reid’s desk.”

  288. jbstonesfan, since you have given up hope, maybe you should stay silent out of respect for this blog’s administrator, who keeps this blog going at what must be considerable personal sacrifice — all for one purpose: to help oust Obama. If you’ve given up on that goal I for one would appreciate if you’d shut up because your attitude is NOT helpful to rallying support for this cause.

  289. there are many factors to consider re: O’s fate:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72329.html

    Why Obama should be worried

    The assumption of a decisive Obama fall-fundraising advantage might be flat wrong. |

    By JIM VANDEHEI | 2/2/12 4:37 AM EST

    To hear Democrats (and much of the media) tell it, President Barack Obama is a man on the rebound. The president turned in a strong State of the Union speech, picked a smart political fight over taxing the rich and authorized another heroic Navy SEAL mission in terrorist territory. Sounds like a recipe for reelection, they say.

    There is a big problem with this Pollyanna punditry: There are a bunch of real-time numbers coming in that tell a much different tale.

    In short, there’s a new Congressional Budget Office report that shows unemployment likely to climb to nearly 9 percent by the election, there’s polling data showing Obama tied or trailing Mitt Romney in the most important swing states (and doing only marginally better against Ron Paul), and there is mounting evidence that the assumption of a decisive Obama fundraising advantage for the fall might be flat wrong. All of this is happening while Republicans are at their worst, with Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich spending millions of dollars and using all of their air time explaining why the other is untrustworthy, deeply flawed and eminently beatable by Obama.

    Let’s look at each:

    Jobs

    A new CBO report grabbed lots of headlines for projecting the deficit will top $1 trillion this year — making Obama the first president ever to pile up $1 trillion or more every year in office. That’s not great politics. But it’s not even the worst news contained in the CBO report. The unemployment number is.

    The CBO projects unemployment will rise, hitting 8.8 percent in the third quarter of the year, the heart of the campaign. That’s terrible politics. Obama advisers have told us repeatedly on background that if unemployment is above 8.5 percent in the final months of the campaign, it will be extremely hard, if not impossible, to win. The advisers say independents will not return to Obama if it looks like economic growth is anemic and uncertain and it looks like his policies did little, if anything, to create new jobs under his watch.

    Economists seem divided on the question of whether robust enough economic and job growth can happen in time for Obama to benefit. Some see signs of possibility in holiday sales and consumer spending in some parts of the country. Others see more of the same: a slow slog back. The CBO sees 2.2 percent growth in the quarter ending in September, essentially the same sluggish pace of a year earlier.

    Swing voters in swing states

    If Obama is on the rebound, someone forgot to tell swing voters in the most important up-for-grabs states in 2012.

    Gallup, which both parties praise for its detailed appraisals of voters’ moods, just crunched the numbers in the 12 states that can authentically be called swing states. The results were hardly great news for Democrats.

    Romney and Obama were tied.

    Heck, Ron Paul is running only a few points behind Obama, and he’s yet to win more than 23 percent of the vote in a GOP primary or caucus.

    Gallup also reported some disturbing national news Monday for Team Obama: The president had a 50 percent or better approval rating last year in only 10 states and the District of Columbia. In five states that could decide the election — Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — Obama’s slide has been steep and uniform. In each state, approval in 2011 had fallen 12 or 13 percentage points from 2009 levels.

    Most state polling’s no better: Of four Florida polls to offer an Obama-Romney head-to-head in late January, the president won just one. A PPP poll of North Carolina, released last month, had the president up just 1 point. An Ohio Quinnipiac poll from mid-January had the president up just 2 percentage points, though Obama fared better in a PPP poll of Ohio out Wednesday, besting all four potential GOP challengers and leading Romney by 7 points.

    Listen This is a 50-50 country. If Obama can’t win independents and can’t win the swing states, he can’t win reelection.

    Money

    Let’s rewind six months for a moment. Back then, Obama advisers talked privately of their decisive fundraising advantage for the general election, how the combination of the reelection campaign, the DNC and a web of outside groups set up by Obama intimates would together raise north of $750 million and possibly $1 billion to bury the GOP.

    This could still happen. But Obama fundraising has not been as strong as many Democrats had hoped or anticipated. More troubling for Democrats, there are signs that Republicans, especially if front-runner Mitt Romney wins, could match the most prolific fundraiser in the history of presidential politics, thanks to rich businessmen and their handy-dandy super PACs.

    Look at the latest numbers: Romney, the RNC and the super PAC run by his allies have raised a total of $175.7 million during 2011; Obama, the DNC and the super PAC run by his allies have raised $209.3 million. As far as cash on hand, Obama enjoys an edge but not a decisive one: $96 million to $63.5 million.

    This doesn’t factor in super PAC American Crossroads and sister nonprofit group Crossroads GPS, which plan on raising as much as $240 million for the election cycle, or the political spending of the Koch brothers, David and Charles, who together plan to funnel $200 million to various conservative groups this cycle. It is possible Republicans could actually outspend Obama.

    Frustrated by Obama’s economic policy, wealthy businessmen are coughing up a lot of coin to defeat him. Consider this: Priorities USA Action has tagged just two donors so far for $1 million or more: DreamWorks executive Jeffrey Katzenberg and the Service Employees International Union. Pro-Romney super PAC Restore Our Future has tagged 10. And the heavy fundraising season is just beginning.

    *************************************

    and again…the key factors we will have to watch are the polls in each state…because once we get in the general…it’s all about the electoral college…

  290. How did I miss this?

    nomobama
    February 1st, 2012 at 8:12 pm ?

    “Pee pressure only backfires with me.”

    ——
    Remind me not to walk behind you dude. 😉

  291. imo, even though they are trying to play it straight, I think Greta and Hannity are pulling for Newt…

    ***********************

    also, OT, but someone mentioned how bad Shepard Smith looks…and I had the exact same impression…he looks very gaunt and sickly…have not heard anything leaking about his health but if he thinks that ‘thin look’ looks good, don’t think so…

  292. lisa100

    One important thing you forgot to mention was that Ron Paul, for all his good qualities and track record does not have the GOP on his side. He is the ultimate out-sider, more so than Newt.

    The chances of Ron Paul actually pulling in enough Rethug votes to win the primary are next to impossible.
    Probably his only real change to win is if Barry and Mitt (if Mitt becomes the GOP winner) have a battle that is so dirty, so bloody that a third party candidate has a change. And since Ron Paul is now friends with Mitt, my guess is we will not run as an Independent against Mitt.

    Voting for Ron Paul in the primary is probably the only chance to vote for him you will have, and if Mitt wins the primary, he will probably give Ron Paul a good speaking gig at the convention, and possibly a place somewhere in his cabinet…on the financial end somewhere???? Mitt is smart enough to know Ron Paul’s voters are important to defeat Barry.

    My 3 cents.

  293. jbstonesfan

    You shouldn’t be told to shut up by anyone, nor to put a sock in it, or any other insult.

    I appreciate your voice, but we don’t like to hear that Barry is gaining ground when we all know this isn’t true by what we see in our own lives.

    There was a report that just came out, Fox has been reporting it for days that the unemployment will be up to 9.2 % by the election, and we all know these numbers are worse when the folks that have given up looking are not taken into account.

    Have a great day and don’t let anyone try to push you out.

  294. Shadowfax
    February 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    jbstonesfan

    You shouldn’t be told to shut up by anyone, nor to put a sock in it, or any other insult.

    I appreciate your voice, but we don’t like to hear that Barry is gaining ground when we all know this isn’t true by what we see in our own lives.

    There was a report that just came out, Fox has been reporting it for days that the unemployment will be up to 9.2 % by the election, and we all know these numbers are worse when the folks that have given up looking are not taken into account.

    Have a great day and don’t let anyone try to push you out.
    *****************************************

    I agree, telling others to shut up and calling names and insults are not necessary and just plain out rude…we can all agree to disagree without getting nasty and cutting…save that for O…and MO…

  295. WTF?

    UN Wants World Tax To ‘Help The Poor’

    Global levy needed to aid “needy people” get free housing, education and healthcare

    The United Nations wants a world tax imposed on all financial transactions to fund a global model of social services that will provide “needy people” with a basic income, free healthcare, education and housing.

    ——–
    Have they gone nuts?

    http://www.infowars.com/un-wants-world-tax-to-help-the-poor/

  296. And riding to the rescue on her unicorn is:

    —–

    Roseanne Barr said Thursday she’s running for the Green Party’s presidential nomination — and it’s no joke.

    The actress-comedian said in a statement that she’s a longtime supporter of the party and looks forward to working with people who share her values. She said the two major parties aren’t serving the American people.

    “The Democrats and Republicans have proven that they are servants — bought and paid for by the 1% — who are not doing what’s in the best interest of the American people,” Barr said.

    Occupy Wall Street protesters popularized the “We are the 99 percent” slogan in their fight against economic disparity and perceived corporate greed.

    Barr has submitted paperwork to the Green Party for her candidacy. The party’s presidential nominee will be selected at a convention in Baltimore in July.

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/02/02/roseanne-barr-seeks-green-party-presidential-nod/

  297. Hi Shadowfax:
    I think that Ron has a chance to win the nomination, if people work to spread the message to compensate for the disgusting media lack of attention. He has a good shot at winning or coming in second in quite a few of the caucuses coming up, including Maine, Minnesota, and Nevada. Anyway, he is the best one for the job, so if we can all research him, and spread the message to everyone we know, we can overcome the establishment (empowered by the international bankers), that as you stated in a separate post, wants to impose a global tax. And now the media are trying to make it sound like Ron and Mitt are friends to dilute the support of Ron voters. I agree that Mitt knows he needs Ron’s voters, but I don’t think for a second that he will give Ron a cabinet spot, because even though he appears so nice, he is bought by the establishment, and has already shown his true colors by saying he would have voted for the NDAA, the bill that passed recently to have our military detain U.S. citizens indefinitely, without a trial, a lawyer, or any formal charges. If Hillary had a small chance of winning in 2008, wouldn’t you have worked to spread the message? I changed my party to Republican just so I can vote for Ron, and I got others to do the same. Anyway, glad you responded to my comments.

  298. lisa100

    Actually I have talked to obots about Ron Paul for months now, knowing that they would NEVER vote for a true red Republican…

    Probably, most of the obots I know that have soured on Barry, will not vote at all for Pres.

    I live in CA so anyone can vote for any party starting this year. I will keep my Dem card just because I am still a Clinton Democrat but not married to the party any longer when they run a fraud or thug.

  299. Ron Paul will be on Pierce Morgan tonight on CNN.

    I will wait for the tape, I still don’t watch any MSM stations since they are in Barry’s pocket.

  300. Thanks S and Shadowfox. I am an attorney so I am pretty thick skinned about name calling. I do, however, understand that to some my negativity is tiresome(ask my wife). If you notice,however, I have not been posting much poll data lately. It’s just that when I went to Drudge this AM, you could not miss it. I was also watching Hannity the other night, and Rasmussen said that people are feeling slightly better about the economy , albeit, we are still in bad shape. I look objectively at the election and Obama, like it or not, will get a lot of credit for Osama and supposedly sending the troops home. Therefore, the economy, like all elections, will dictate the results. Remember, we are dealing with a largely ignorant electorate who gets most of their news from MSM who are portraying Mitt as a non caring rich guy and Obama as the champion of the poor who is slowly but steadily turning the economy around.

  301. jbstonesfan
    Glad to hear you are an attorney with thick skin…sometimes we need it when we discuss politics. 😉

    I would rather you post the pros and cons like you did above…that way it doesn’t sound like you are buying into the hype put out by the O’news.

    Barry will see that the youth and poor have not bought into his Hope and Change BS, their hope is gone and they have no spare Change to give to him any longer.

    Unless he cheats again, I think he will be packing his bags.

  302. JBStonesfan…I think most of us share your concerns…we still have a long way to go…and a lot can still happen…that is one advantage in having R to go after O…he may be able to drown him out, he is getting good practice and so far, succeeding…but we know this is not going to be easy…there are probably going to be many, many ups and downs all around…ten months to go…amazing…

  303. we know this is not going to be easy…there are probably going to be many, many ups and downs all around…ten months to go…

    ——
    Yup.

  304. The poor bastard wants to be cool again.

    Regarding that little singing bit the president did recently. The Al Green thing.

    Seems likely that Obama spent more time on trying to sound good on that bit than he has on dealing with anything else facing the country. They brought in a voice coach. He was playing the song over and over again. It was a complete focus. Pretty damn sad.

    Hours and hours spent preparing to sing a few words. Many more hours spent by the campaign spreading the video of that moment. Don’t know if this is worth much of your time, but I found it both sad and funny that this is what this country’s president is obsessed with. Trying to be cool. Good God.

    By the time that singing thing took place, the campaign had in place about a dozen people working 24/7 to spread the video on the Internet. These same people used all the fake accounts already in place to then comment how great it was. How cool the president was. Pull up some of those videos. Read the comments. Notice how many times the word cool is used. Its repeated so often because those comments are coming more often than not from the same group of campaign operatives and they were told to make the president look “cool”. A few others in the campaign then sent it off to the media to make sure they would place it prominently in the news cycle for the next 48 hours. And there were about 40 or 50 people in the crowd who had been instructed to “cheer loudly” the singing. And you can see how grateful the president is at the audience’s reaction. The guy needs that approval so damn much. The whole thing from beginning to end was a highly orchestrated effort. Not one second of it was spontaneous.

    From WH Insider
    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/02/03/white-house-insider-obama-complains-i-wanna-be-cool-again/

  305. I like that line R had the other night…

    “Now it’s time for you to get out of the way.” In a Reaganesque touch, Romney spoke of brighter days for Americans when “hope” is more than “a faded word on an older bumper sticker.”

    “It’s time for us to bring a new definition to hope,” Romney told the cheering crowd. “Hope should mean a good job and good paycheck, not a faded word on an old bumper sticker.”

    he needs to keep branding himself as the “turn around guy” and then have all the testimonials from all levels in life to validate that he is…

    not yet though…he has to keep some of his powder dry for the general…

  306. They must be really afraid…since they always paint the Golden Calf with extra sparkle….

    Dear MoveOn member,

    Mitt Romney is on the verge of locking up the Republican nomination. And now we’re in for an incredibly close race—Gallup’s latest poll has Romney tied with President Obama.

    Bla, bla………bla.

    (No I am not a member, they hooked me up because I support Hillary and they won’t delete me from their list.)

  307. Thanks Dem1 for the Insider story…

    (At the end)

    …The poor bastard wants to be cool again. Hours and hours spent preparing to sing a few words. Many more hours spent by the campaign spreading the video of that moment. Don’t know if this is worth much of your time, but I found it both sad and funny that this is what this country’s president is obsessed with. Trying to be cool. Good God.

    It still boggles my damn mind that me and others gotta be working this hard to defeat him. Guess it goes to show how far wrong things have gone in the country.

    One last thing. A heads up. Our friend Mr. DOJ has got some interesting announcements coming his way soon. Don’t be discouraged. The sh-t is moving slow but it’s moving. Things are going better than the outside view would appear. I know it’s a broken record to you, but we got him. Good meeting in -deleted- and then on the road again early next week. Will be in touch after that.

    -INSIDER

  308. Ooooo a ringtone of Barry singing…………oooooooooooo, we are so excited.

    During a campaign stop at the Apollo Theater in New York City last week, President Obama surprised the audience by singing the opening lines of “Let’s Stay Together,” the classic tune by Rev. Al Green — who was on site that evening. Now you can download Obama’s rendition of the song as a ringtone for your cellphone.

    Yes, you can now really hear the President sing “I’m so in love with you” every time your phone rings. All you have to do is head to the official Obama website and you’ll find links to download the brief sound clip.

    http://digitallife.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/23/10217172-your-cellphone-can-now-sing-like-obama?chromedomain=gadgetbox

    I wish I could think of something funny to do with this…but I can’t.

    It sort of reminds me of a 2012 calendar I was given at Christmas from my obot friends. I was unwrapping it and saw his face and said, “Oh NO, I can’t look at this for a year.” They said to not put it down, look at what it is…it was a countdown to when he would leave office in 2012.

    I laughed, took it home and have a post-it over his face. 😉

  309. WOW! Just WOW!

    democrat1
    February 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    The poor bastard wants to be cool again.

    And Mo is dropping to the floor and challenging Ellen to a push-up contest, just like she did with ArchBishop TuTu.

    What a grotesque couple.

    I thought “competition” was a dirty word in their vocabulary?

  310. Some excerpts:

    Today’s unemployment news gave the Obama administration a bit of good news for the upcoming election — and really just a bit — but Gallup had already provided a big dash of cold water yesterday. In their look at partisan trends on a state-by-state basis, there has been a dramatic shift in favor of the Republican Party over the last four years. In 2008, when Obama won his first term, 18 states were solidly Democratic while only four were solidly Republican. It’s now 12 to 10, and that’s not even the extent of the bad news for the White House:

    Democrats have lost their solid political party affiliation advantage in 18 states since 2008, while Republicans have gained a solid advantage in 6 states. A total of 17 states were either solidly Republican or leaning Republican in their residents’ party affiliation in 2011, up from 10 in 2010 and 5 in 2008. Meanwhile, 19 states including the District of Columbia showed a solid or leaning Democratic orientation, down from 23 in 2010 and 36 in 2008. The remaining 15 states were relatively balanced politically, with neither party having a clear advantage.
    ************************************************************
    The findings make it clear that U.S. states have undergone a dramatic political transformation since 2008, the year President Obama was elected, moving from a Democratically dominant political environment to one of parity.
    Needless to say, this makes for a very different playing field in 2012, assuming that the trends continue. In looking at the new map on the Gallup site and modeling it at 270towin.com, a Republican who can win the battleground (gray) states would prevail in the Electoral College, 348-190. Even giving back a couple of obvious states — Oregon surely won’t go GOP, and Pennsylvania would be a surprise for Republicans — the GOP still wins, 321-217. The GOP could even lose Michigan (305/233), Nevada (299/239), and Colorado (290/248) and still win the Presidency.

    That’s not the only trend in play, either. Philip Klein reports on a Pew study that shows Jewish voters becoming less attached to the Democratic Party:
    In 2008, Pew found that 72 percent of Jews identified as Democrats and just 20 percent as Republicans. In 2011, that shifted to 65 percent to 29 percent, marking a 16-point narrowing in the net margin. Part of that has to do with an overall move toward the Republican party in the past three years. But not all of it. Republican gains among Jews were the biggest among any religious group other than Mormons.
    **************************************************************************
    Philip rightly notes that this shift may not impact a presidential race, as the Jewish vote might not be enough to impact an entire state, at least one close enough in polling to be impacted. However, it may start Democrats wondering how they lost their large numerical advantage in states and how they managed to start alienating one of their most loyal constituencies during the Obama presidency.

  311. BASIL99

    Here’s the map link.
    ——
    Funny that all but three states that are heavily ‘Democrat’ are on the US borders…Hawaii has it’s own border.

    I didn’t know Alaska was ‘Republican’.

    Barry has a loooooong way to go.

  312. Or put another way:

    Transformational: Democrats Lose Net 17 States In Solid/Leaning Party Affiliation; Republicans Gain Seven

    Gallup’s conclusion:

    Clearly, President Obama faces a much less favorable environment as he seeks a second term in office than he did when he was elected president.

    Here’s the movement. (Note that I said “net 17” in the headline because while Democrats lost 18 “solid” states, they gained one “lean” state.)

  313. Not that I’m repub, just an ABO voter and here’s more good news.

    The number of Republicans in the country inched up half a percentage point in January, while the number of Democrats, 32.5%, dipped to the lowest level ever recorded by Rasmussen Reports.

    During January, 35.9% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s up from 35.4% in December and the highest number of Republicans measured since December 2010.

  314. holdthemaccountable

    Yes, I heard MO say on teevee that night that her Barry sings that song all the time to her, (like he loves her soooo much), and that she didn’t know he sang that song that day until she saw it on YouTube.

    Liar, liar…pants on fire.

  315. See just how much Barry sucks…….and look at the little wavy green and red lines below.

    ——-

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15 (see trends).

    In a potential Election 2012 matchups, it’s President Obama 45% and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney 45%. This is the first time that Romney has been even with the president since late December

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  316. Shadowfax
    February 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    didn’t know Alaska was ‘Republican’.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    Pretty much as red as a state can get. Even the caribou are registered Republicans.

  317. Democrat1,

    After reading the entire UM post I really thought readers here would get a kick out of it.

    White House Insider: Obama Complains – I Wanna Be Cool Again!
    by Ulsterman on February 3, 2012 with 7 Comments in Uncategorized

    A quick email from a longtime Washington DC political insider reveals President Obama’s “complete focus” in preparing for days to sing a few words and then use that moment to wage an all-out PR campaign to recapture the “essence of cool” he so enjoyed during the 2008 campaign.

    Hope the morning finds you well. Busy-busy-busy on my end. Will give you a more thorough update in the coming days. Not sure if this information is worth publishing but figured you would get a kick out of it either way. It’s a glimpse into the president’s current state of mind. At the very least shows his priorities which are pretty much on his own image as it has always been. Story told to me on two different occasions within a couple days of each other so likely true for the most part.

    Regarding that little singing bit the president did recently. The Al Green thing. If you haven’t seen the clips of that then look it up. Easy to find. It’s been spread wide and far. And that was the plan. That moment was rehearsed to death. As in over and over and over again. Apparently the president has been complaining for some time that he’s no longer cool. He was actually in on a meeting with some of the Plouffe gang and told them more than once he wanted to be cool again. “Like in ’08. We were the sh-t back in 08″. Those are the president’s words. He is obsessed with getting back to being cool like in ’08. It’s become something of a theme apparently in-house among the younger staff. They have started to greet one another with “Are we cool again?” as a joke.

    So anyway, back to that singing thing the president did. Told he practiced that little line for days. Seems likely that Obama spent more time on trying to sound good on that bit than he has on dealing with anything else facing the country. They brought in a voice coach. He was playing the song over and over again. It was a complete focus. Pretty damn sad.

    Now if you watch the video of it you can see that he colored his hair again. Got the stage makeup up on. And you see how he pauses and gets very serious as he prepares to sing that one little line. That’s the give-away. That’s what he does every time he is trying to look spontaneous during a moment that he has actually practiced over and over for. He is very insecure. Talked with you about that many times before. So he pauses, you see himself getting ready for the moment and then he does the bit.

    Now he pulled it off. Sounded fine. I wonder though if America would be so impressed if they knew how many hours the fu–ing President of the United States spent practicing for those few seconds of song.

    That’s not the end of it though. By the time that singing thing took place, the campaign had in place about a dozen people working 24/7 to spread the video on the Internet.

    These same people used all the fake accounts already in place to then comment how great it was. How cool the president was. Pull up some of those videos. Read the comments.

    Notice how many times the word cool is used. Its repeated so often because those comments are coming more often than not from the same group of campaign operatives and they were told to make the president look “cool”. A few others in the campaign then sent it off to the media to make sure they would place it prominently in the news cycle for the next 48 hours. And there were about 40 or 50 people in the crowd who had been instructed to “cheer loudly” the singing. And you can see how grateful the president is at the audience’s reaction. The guy needs that approval so damn much. The whole thing from beginning to end was a highly orchestrated effort. Not one second of it was spontaneous.

    The poor bastard wants to be cool again. Hours and hours spent preparing to sing a few words. Many more hours spent by the campaign spreading the video of that moment. Don’t know if this is worth much of your time, but I found it both sad and funny that this is what this country’s president is obsessed with. Trying to be cool. Good God.

    It still boggles my damn mind that me and others gotta be working this hard to defeat him. Guess it goes to show how far wrong things have gone in the country.

    One last thing. A heads up. Our friend Mr. DOJ has got some interesting announcements coming his way soon. Don’t be discouraged. The sh-t is moving slow but it’s moving. Things are going better than the outside view would appear. I know it’s a broken record to you, but we got him. Good meeting in -deleted- and then on the road again early next week. Will be in touch after that.

    -INSIDER

  318. Basil, good link, which includes the lead paragraph:

    Democrats have lost their solid political party affiliation advantage in 18 states since 2008, while Republicans have gained a solid advantage in 6 states. A total of 17 states were either solidly Republican or leaning Republican in their residents’ party affiliation in 2011, up from 10 in 2010 and 5 in 2008. Meanwhile, 19 states including the District of Columbia showed a solid or leaning Democratic orientation, down from 23 in 2010 and 36 in 2008. The remaining 15 states were relatively balanced politically, with neither party having a clear advantage.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    This is what happens to a party who would rather rig the nomination process to get in an inexperienced guy with no paper trail, rather than a long time stalwart with battle-scars and a reputatio for tenacity and policy-wonk brilliance.

    So Dems can watch as The Kid drives the car into the ditch. Inept AND corrupt. Nice combo.

  319. rgb44hrc,

    I am starting to think that if the dims somehow “steal” the 2012 election there will be war in this country. It is clear to more and more people every day that BO is a fraud, a phony and maybe even illegitimate.

  320. Israel, U.S. Divided Over Timing of Potential Military Strike Against Iran

    Drudge

    What did Ron Paul say about Israel not having sovereignty over itself, because of the US connection?

  321. Judge Malihi Rules Against Plaintiffs:
    Says Obama Born In Hawaii Therefore Natural Born Citizen

    We just spoke with plaintiff Kevin Powell and he reports Judge Malihi has ruled against the Plaintiffs and stated in his order that Obama was born in Hawaii and therefore Obama is a natural born Citizen.

    Updates and Judge Malihi’s order will be provided shortly….

  322. The fact that Newt Gingrich did not call Santorum and enquire about his daughter in the hospital.

    A gentleman would have taken time to call Rick Santorum and inquire about the well-being of his daughter. Both Romney and Paul are class acts. They did so and did it out of the limelight. They did not do it to win political advantage. They did it because it was the right thing to do. Not Newt. That tells you all you need to know about that fat horror-show of a human being.
    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/64806/newt-gingrich-the-quinessential-boor/#more-64806

  323. Probably, most of the obots I know that have soured on Barry, will not vote at all for Pres.

    ==================

    Are they more likely to come out against Gingrich than against Romney?

  324. jbstonesfan, since you have given up hope, maybe you should stay silent out of respect for this blog’s administrator, who keeps this blog going at what must be considerable personal sacrifice — all for one purpose: to help oust Obama.

    =================

    I think this blog’s administrator is perfectly capable of expressing her (or their) wishes to jbs or anyone else directly if such occasion should arise. She doesn’t spend ALL her time on the fainting couch. 😉

  325. Someone with a legal background please explain this to me: on a number of ‘legal’ documents, as gonzotx pointed out in a post on the prior thread, there is documentation that Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico. Does that consititute being a natural born American citizen?

    Specifically, on the 1920 census, George Wilcken Romney, Wilbur “Mitt” Romney father is listed in his father’s household and his birthplace is given as “Mexico.”

    On the 1930 census, George W Romney is listed in his father’s household and his birthplace is listed as “Mexico” handwritten by the enumerator. Written above George’s birthplace in Mexico is a handwritten entry that must have been entered later (same for child just older than G W Romney)because the ink on both of these entired is must darker than the “Mexico” entry. The entry reads: Am.cit. I have a copy of the original documents.

    Since the courts now go by Case Law and precedent is considered in legal matters; does it even matter since ObaMAO has been declared a natural born citizen by some courts? If not, the all hail for RUBIO as President.

  326. ObaMAO has been declared a natural born citizen by some courts

    ==================

    Are you sure of that? I’ve heard of several courts throwing out the case, ie refusing to rule on it, usually on the technical grounds that the person filing didn’t have ‘standing’ to file. I haven’t heard of any actually ruling on it.

  327. ShrotTermer,

    I believe that both of Romney’s father’s parents were American citizens which made Romeny’s father an American citizen.

    Romney’s grandparents never relinquished American citizenship according to what I have read.

  328. democrat1
    February 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    He also didn’t call Romney after Florida’s primary.

    Tacky, classless and immature.

  329. BASIL99
    February 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Judge Malihi Rules Against Plaintiffs:
    Says Obama Born In Hawaii Therefore Natural Born Citizen

    We just spoke with plaintiff Kevin Powell and he reports Judge Malihi has ruled against the Plaintiffs and stated in his order that Obama was born in Hawaii and therefore Obama is a natural born Citizen.

    Updates and Judge Malihi’s order will be provided shortly….
    ———

    What?????????????????

    Doesn’t matter if Barry was born in Hawaii, it matters if his parents where born/citizens in the US when he was born.

  330. Are they more likely to come out against Gingrich than against Romney?
    ——
    Yup, but they wouldn’t vote for either because they are toooooo Republican.

    I have sort of headed that one off with them by saying Ron Paul is a Libertarian not a Rep, and the GOP don’t want Paul to win the Primary.

  331. ShortTermer
    February 3rd, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Amazing- no one has picked up on democrat1’s post concerning Romney’s citizenship eligibility, except for a mistaken post, nothing- Romney’s father was born in Mexico.. and there is something suspect about Romney being a Natural Born Citizen.. Even if Romney’s father was naturalized, it doesn’t help him any according to the law..

    It might be a good thing helping us get to the bottom of BO’s legitimacy status.

  332. Mrs. S,

    I know wikipedia often has errors but so far this is all I have pulled up on Romney’s father. Do you have additional or different info?

    (George) Romney (1907-1995) was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child. The family lived in several states and ended up in Salt Lake City, Utah, where they struggled during the Great Depression. Romney worked in a number of jobs, served as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland, and attended two universities in the U.S. but did not graduate from either. In 1939 he moved to Detroit and joined the American Automobile Manufacturers Association, where he served as the chief spokesperson for the automobile industry during World War II and headed a cooperative arrangement in which companies could share production improvements

  333. this does not instill confidence in a campaign that can go up against O and his chicago machine…there have been many other similiar stories about arriving two hours late, etc

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72427.html

    Newt Gingrich’s Nevada campaign unraveling

    Gingrich hasn’t been endorsed by a single Nevada elected official. | Reuters

    By GINGER GIBSON | 2/3/12 3:37 PM EST

    LAS VEGAS — Newt Gingrich is not on TV here. His daily events have slowed to a trickle. He’s got a bare-bones staff working in a tiny space rented just 2 weeks ago.

    The most attention he’s received since arriving in Nevada came with his snub of the state’s popular governor. Or maybe from his campaign’s incorrect claim that it would be receiving Donald Trump’s endorsement.

    Gingrich’s Nevada campaign, in other words, is a mess.

    For a candidate who vows to fight on until the Tampa convention, with many miles to go before a nominee is selected, his operation here and in the next few states after this isn’t likely to inspire much confidence in his ability to compete with Mitt Romney.

    With just one day to go before the Nevada caucuses, his campaign isn’t using its most potent weapon: Gingrich himself. The former House speaker used to hold daily press conferences to beat up on Mitt Romney, but did only one this week. The drumbeat of daily appearances has slowed dramatically.

    The campaign is mostly bumbling around the Silver State, scheduling events only to cancel them, spending virtually nothing on advertising or infrastructure and demonstrating an inability to drive a message. He hasn’t been endorsed by a single Nevada elected official and there are serious tensions between his state and national staff over scheduling.

    “It shows how difficult it is to put a quick organization and quick schedule together and try to make the most of a four-day campaign,” Las Vegas-based GOP strategist Robert S. Uithoven said. “It’s a four-year campaign versus a four-day campaign here in Nevada.”

    In an ominous sign for Gingrich, the problem isn’t confined to Nevada. He’s also flying by the seat of his pants in the next round of states that will vote on Tuesday — Colorado, Minnesota and Missouri. He doesn’t have much infrastructure in the first two states — Gingrich hired a spokesman Thursday in Colorado — and isn’t even on the ballot in Missouri. His campaign has been unable to say if he’ll even visit those states ahead of their votes.

    The first sign of real trouble came the day after the Florida primary, when Gingrich canceled a scheduled photo op with Nevada’s Brian Sandoval, the popular first-term Republican governor.

    Gingrich told reporters on Wednesday that the mishap was a scheduling issue and that his campaign was working to find another time.

    “Once that meeting was confirmed, I think it was a very poor move,” said Uithoven, referring to the embarrassing snafu.

    Then came early word from sources close to Gingrich — reported by POLITICO and other prominent news organizations — that Trump would endorse Gingrich at one of his Vegas casinos on Thursday. Asked about it on Wednesday, Gingrich was upbeat. But it turned out the reports were wrong and Trump instead endorsed Romney. Gingrich, while touring a equipment manufacturing facility, seemed downtrodden.

    “No,” said Gingrich when asked if Trump would endorse him, giving an unusually brief response for a man not known for his brevity.

    Asked if Trump was endorsing Romney, Gingrich replied with a flippant, “Who knows?”

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    – + reset Listen When asked about why he was holding only one event a day, Gingrich on Wednesday said that more were being added. But the events haven’t materialized. When they have, there’s been little time to promote them to the general public.

    Most of Gingrich’s time in Nevada is instead devoted to fundraising. The state is home to Sheldon Adelson, the casino magnate and primary patron of the Gingrich super PAC that has run blistering negative attacks against Romney and allowed Gingrich to remain in the game, as far as TV advertising is concerned.

    The fundraising is no small matter for the campaign. Money will play an even more critical role moving forward as multiple states hold primaries on the same day — requiring a television presence — and retail politics begin to take a back seat. In Nevada, Gingrich hasn’t invested anything on television or radio.

    “Media levels are critically important in this type of a short campaign and given how inexpensive media is in Nevada, it would be imperative for any candidate to be on the air full tilt until Saturday,” said Pete Ernaut, a Reno-based GOP strategist. “Big advantage to Gov. Romney.”

    Gingrich’s Nevada operation can be understood by a glance at his state campaign headquarters.

    On the side of busy Highway 95 sits a plain white office building that is home to a real estate business and a law firm. There are no “Gingrich 2012” signs, no banner hanging over the door.

    A path of white paper signs with red arrows directing visitors to the Gingrich headquarters leads to a CPA office and back through a labyrinth of offices.

    There are no yard signs leaning against the wall, no boxes of pamphlets or bumper stickers to be distributed. On a Thursday afternoon, two days before the caucuses, the offices are empty.

    Bob Seale, a Gingrich supporter and a partner at the Seale and Beers firm from which the campaign is renting the office, said the campaign rented space in the building after Gingrich’s Jan. 21 win in South Carolina.

    Volunteers set up camp in a hotel conference room in downtown Las Vegas on Tuesday, connecting 25 phones to reach out to Nevada voters. But by Thursday, a scheduling conflict had moved them into a one-bedroom suite on the third floor.

    Only three phones remain plugged in and a handful of volunteers casually punched away at the dials.

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    think honestly about this Hillfriends…is this really who you want to entrust the awesome responsibility of going up against O?

    …might he not be truly better as a cheerleader for the team…

    time will tell…

  334. An administrative law judge in Georgia today ruled that Barack Obama’s name can be on the state’s 2012 presidential election ballot because he was born in Hawaii, is “native born,” and thus also is “natural born” as required by the Constitution.

    He cited a little-known determination by an Indiana judge.

    “The Indiana court determined that a person qualifies as a natural born citizen if he was born in the United States because he became a United States citizen at birth,” wrote Michael Malihi, an administrative law judge in Atlanta.

    “For the purposes of this analysis, this court considered that President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Arkeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen.”

    Malihi’s decision came without any evidence being presented by Obama or his lawyer, after they snubbed the court by refusing to participate in the required hearing under a state law that mandates all candidates qualify for the office they seek.

    It also allows any voter to raise a challenge, and several did. A hearing was held on their evidence on Jan. 26.

    Malihi essentially tossed all of the information the plaintiffs and their attorneys presented.

    “The court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probative value, and thus wholly insufficient to support plaintiffs’ allegations,” he said.

    He was miffed at Obama, too, but ended up being influenced by “the law” to decide in his favor.

    ————-

    I have a question for everyone…if I read this correctly, then is it true anyone born in the US can now be President, even a child of illegal aliens?

  335. Are [Bots] they more likely to come out against Gingrich than against Romney?
    ——
    Yup, but they wouldn’t vote for either because they are toooooo Republican.

    ============================

    Yup. But sleeping through Romney vs voting against Gingrich, is one less vote for Obama.

    I’ll probably vote for Ron Paul in a primary, but he won’t be on the November ballot, unfortunately.

  336. A 1995 NYT article written after GR’s death.

    George Wilcken Romney was born in 1907 in a Mormon colony in Chihuahua, Mexico. His parents were American citizens and monogamists, but they had moved to Mexico along with many other Mormons when Congress outlawed polygamy in the 1880’s.

    His parents moved back to the United States when he was a child, and he was reared in Idaho and Utah. He served two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland. He also attended several colleges but never graduated.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/27/obituaries/george-romney-dies-at-88-a-leading-gop-figure.html

  337. George’s parents info from the Boston Globe.

    Gaskell was born 22 September 1871 in St. George, Washington, Utah.

    and married 20 February 1895 in Colonia Dublan, Chihuahua, Mexico, Anna Amelia PRATT, the daughter of Helaman PRATT and Anna Joanna Dorothy (Dora) WILCKEN.

    She was born 6 May 1876 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah and died 4 February 1926 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.

    Gaskell died 7 March 1955 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah.

    (Special Collections Dept.,
    J. Willard Marriott Library,
    University of Utah)
    Boston Globe

  338. Basill99, those census records are legal documents;what more is needed? And WikiPedia, really??? That is a site that is made up of posts by individuals who may or may not be knowledgable………..kind of like sourcing from Huffington Post; not exactly like Encyclopedia Britannica or the likes.

    Mrs. Smith, would this be worth researching more?

  339. Short Termer-

    The link I posted above from democrat1 has quite a bit of information attributed with links to their sources.

    politico/boston globe are all Obama links.. we do not use them for reliable information…

  340. Yipes…

    Exclusive: Israel Warns US Jews: Iran Could Strike Here

    Israeli facilities in North America — and around the world — are on high alert, according to an internal security document obtained by ABC News that predicted the threat from Iran against Jewish targets will increase.

    “We predict that the threat on our sites around the world will increase … on both our guarded sites and ‘soft’ sites,” stated a letter circulated by the head of security for the Consul General for the Mid-Atlantic States. Guarded sites refers to government facilities like embassies and consulates, while ‘soft sites’ means Jewish synagogues, and schools, as well as community centers like the one hit by a terrorist bombing in Buenos Aires in 1994 that killed 85 people.

    The head of Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security service, told an audience at a closed forum in Tel Aviv recently that Iran is trying to hit Israeli targets because of what it believes are Israeli attacks on it nuclear scientists. Yoram Cohen said that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, the same militant wing of the government linked to the recent alleged plot against the Saudi ambassador to the U.S., is working tirelessly to attack Israeli and Jewish targets abroad in order to deter Israel.

    Local and regional law enforcement and intelligence officials in U.S. and Canadian cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Toronto have been monitoring the situation closely for several weeks, and have stepped up patrols at Israeli government locations and Jewish cultural and religious institutions. They have issued awareness bulletins reminding officers to stay vigilant.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israel-warns-us-jews-iran-strike/story?id=15506257#.Tyxs2CPjiUY

  341. My understanding is that one’s parents need to both be American citizens, which Romney’s parents were.

    Isn’t the issue of the site of birth similar to that which McCain was subjected and found to be eligible?

    McCain was born in Panama but his parents were American citizens. (I think).

    The issues raised about BO in Georgia involved the fact that both of his parents were not American citizens. However, from what I understand, since he is “assumed” to have been born in Hawaii that (in some people’s eyes) makes him an American citizen? Isn’t that similar to the way any child born in this country is considered an American citizen?

    There is still controversy over whether in fact BO was born in Hawaii but for now the legal rulings have upheld that.

    If I have stated any of this erroneously please let me know. It is very confusing and I am simply trying to follow the dots.

    And I am especially interested in what the controversy over Mitt is. Since his father was born to American parents – while living in a foreign country, just like McCain – I thought that made MR eligible.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

  342. I’m going to be in and out tonight- will check in later.. I can tell you right now- from the info gleaned at democrati1, this debate has been going on since the mid 60’s. So, just sayin, it would be settled anytime soon-

  343. …ba da boom…drum roll please…more from the man that speaks out of both sides of his mouth…

    http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/

    Uh Oh! George Soros Paid for Ad Featuring Newt and Nancy Pelosi Shilling For Al Gore’s Global Warming Scam

    By Gary P Jackson

    Well, looks like Big Government “progessive” Newt Gingrich has stepped in it again folks. As his fellow traveler Barack Obama would say, he’s “acted stupidly,” with his latest freaky attack on Mitt Romney.

    You see, a bit back George Soros made a comment that there was little difference between Mitt and Obama. Now Soros isn’t stupid. He knew exactly how that would play with Conservatives.

    Folks like Rush Limbaugh constantly say you can tell who the left fears the most by who the attack the hardest. According to a study done by the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, Mitt Romney is getting by far the most negative press of the GOP field. Unless there is some sort of unwritten rule that exempts Mitt, or, God forbid, Rush is wrong, it sure looks like the left is more concerned about Mitt than anyone else. You certainly do not see the left attacking Newt Gingrich.

    The problem with Newt’s attack is while Soros was running his head to Reuters, it’s hard to find any direct ties between Soros and Romney, though Newt sure would like you to think there is.

    THERE actually IS a direct LINK between George Soros and Newt Gingrich though.

    We all remember this betrayal of Conservatism and the American people by Newt. [one of many]

    insert clip of nancy and newt

    As you know, this betrayal came at the very time Conservatives were in the battle of their life to save America from the communists in the “green” movement, like Van Jones, who wanted to take away all of your Liberty and Freedom, as well as lift all of the cash out of your wallet, in the name of “saving the planet”. [from a hoax]

    And who paid for this ad featuring Nancy and Newt cuddled up together? Why George Soros, of course!

    In a press release from the Romney campaign we get this response:

    “It is interesting to see the latest attack from Speaker Gingrich and his disintegrating campaign. Unlike Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney never sat next to Nancy Pelosi in an ad funded by George Soros on behalf of Al Gore’s global warming initiative. As recently as 2008, the Soros agenda had no better friend than Newt Gingrich. Nice try, Mr. Speaker.” –Ryan Williams, Romney Campaign Spokesman

    Sitting On A Loveseat Together In 2008, Speakers Gingrich And Pelosi Called On America To “Take Action To Address Climate Change.”

    PELOSI: “Hi! I’m Nancy Pelosi, life-long Democrat and Speaker of the House.”

    GINGRICH: “And I’m Newt Gingrich, life-long Republican, and I used to be Speaker.”

    PELOSI: “We don’t always see eye to eye, do we Newt?”

    GINGRICH: “No, but we do agree: our country must take action to address climate change.”

    PELOSI: “We need cleaner forms of energy, and we need them fast.”

    GINGRICH: “If enough of us demand action from our leaders, we can spark the innovation we need.“

    PELOSI: “Go to WeCanSolveIt.org. Together, we can do this.”

    (The We Campaign, YouTube.com, 4/24/08)

    Newt And Nancy’s TV Ad Was Launched By Al Gore’s Alliance For Climate Protection. “Former Vice President Al Gore launched a three year, multimillion-dollar advocacy campaign Monday calling for the U.S. to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions. The Alliance for Climate Protection’s campaign, dubbed ‘We,’ will … educate the public about global warming and urge solutions from elected officials. … Some advertisements will feature bipartisan pairs, such as … Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with former GOP Speaker Newt Gingrich…”

    (“Gore Campaign Promotes Environmental Change,” The Associated Press, 4/1/08)

    Who Gave The Alliance For Climate Protection $5 Million In 2008? George Soros, Of Course. George Soros’ Open Society Institute gave the Alliance for Climate Protection $5 million in 2008. (Open Society Institute, 2008 IRS Form 990, p. 123 [PDF])

    What’s that old saying about glass houses? A lot of Conservatives would rather Mitt Romney not be the front runner in this race. I consider myself among them, but Newt Gingrich is such a hypocrite, his attacks must be answered.

    Newt has managed to fool a significant number of people into thinking he’s a [snort] “conservative” and a lot of people think Mitt is somehow as progressive as Obama. The sad fact is, on Romney’s worst day, he’s more Conservative than Newt on his best. Now that ain’t sayin’ much, for sure, but it is what it is.

    While Romney was governor of arguably the most backwards, socialist state in the country, he hasn’t spent his entire career standing with the socialists and helping them advance their agenda the way Newt has. Newt talks the talk, but that’s as far as it goes. Not a Conservative bone in his body. Newt’s default setting is Big Government “progressive.”

    The reason why Newt’s campaign is in a downward spiral is he is not for real. He’s, in reality, who everyone tries to make Romney out to be. His attacks on Romney ring hollow because whatever he accuses Mitt of, he’s actually done worse. [or wants to do worse]

    Health care mandates? Romney thinks their OK for a state. [they aren’t] Newt thinks they are OK for the entire nation [they absolutely aren’t] and has said so consistently for 20 years.

    Newt’s latest ad calls Romney a “gun grabber” when, in fact, the NRA praised Romney’s reforms to Massachusetts’ gun laws as a “a breath of fresh air.”

    It was Newt Gingrich and his couch buddy Nancy Pelosi who teamed up, while Newt was Speaker, to pass some of the most anti-Second Amendment, anti-American gun laws in our nation‘s history. And he did it after promising the American people there would be NO such gun legislation allowed on his watch. In other words, he lied.

    Add in the fact that Newt wants amnesty for illegals, and is a true believer of the global warming hoax, and will most certainly want some sort of cap and tax laws [he’s pushed them before] and you start to understand that it’s Newt who is the closest to Obama, not Mitt.

    Now I’m not saying Mitt is the best answer, but one thing’s for sure, Newt Gingrich is most certainly not.

  344. My understanding is that one’s parents need to both be American citizens, which Romney’s parents were.
    __________

    You can’t make that assumption because there is evidence to the contrary disputing that assertion.

  345. Basil99, you know the Federal Census records that are used as legal sources for birth, genealogy and other, one snippet of the 1920 census record is at a link that demorcat1 posted above.
    And if accurate information from valid sources are used it shows pretty clearly that his father was born in Mexico.
    McCain was a product of a military father who was stationed outside of America; not so with the polygamous Romneys. They went to Mexico to escape the marriage laws.
    The reason I said I would like for someone with legal credentials to address this, is that it has been in question for more than fifty years, and only the politicians seem to have supported his citizenship.

  346. I am not publishing professionally on this blog so I do not expect to be judged by which links I post any more than I expect to judge others by the links they post. I will judge myself, once I open the links, whether or not I feel they are valid. If there is some standard for which links are and are not permissible please enlighten me.

    In any case, the senate ruled in 2008 that John McCain was eligible to run for president even though he was born in Panama so it would seem Romney’s father was eligible to run for president as his parents were American citizens – even though George was born in Mexico.

    Honestly, to dismiss information because it does not conform to one’s ideas of what is reputable is a slippery slope. Like I said, none of us posting here is doing so in a professional capacity. I thought we were sharing info.

    In any case, I hope the Washington Post meets with standards. Even here, of course, questions remain which to this day have not been answered.

    John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.”
    –U.S. Senate Resolution, April 30, 2008.

    On Wednesday evening, the U.S. Senate unanimously declared John S. McCain III a “natural-born citizen,” eligible to be president of the United States. That was the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone. The bad news is that the Senate resolution is a non-binding opinion that fails to resolve one of the murkiest, untested areas of the U.S. constitution.

  347. “You can’t make that assumption because there is evidence to the contrary disputing that assertion.”

    Like what? Link, please.

  348. I misspoke above about the 1930 census record for George Romney; he was not in his father’s household then; he was a roomer in DC.

  349. “Mitt’s father was born in Mexico and became a naturalized citizen long after Mitt was born.”

    Where did you find that info?

    ShortTermer, so you are saying there is a different standard for JM because he was born into a military family?

    I know GM’s parents were Mormons and had fled to Mexico to escape polygamy laws but I am not clear about whether Gaskell was an American citizen since it seems he was born to American parents.

    Anyway, this is interesting but not nearly as catastrophic, IMHO, as BO’s situation.

    Still, I would like answers just like everyone else. And this question also has consequences for Rubio.

    What a mess.

  350. I do not believe any courts in this country are bold enough to go against a sitting president that too an African American. So BO make natural born citizen clause redundant. Then there is no justification to object to anybody in future. They do not have to show any evidence for natural born citizen status nor even citizenship and any body can contest for president post and refuse to show any evidence as BO is doing. So there is no danger for Rubio or any other person who wants to be POTUS

  351. http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-mitt-romney-is-eligible-to-run-for-president/question-2435079/

    Regardless of my viewpoint on Mitt Romney, it is imperative to explain why he is eligible to run for the office of President. Please read carefully and follow through the steps as they fit within the guidelines of “natural born” citizen.
    This is also why John McCain was viewed as being a natural born citizen and how it came about.
    from: http://www.wargs.com/political/romney.html

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    Willard Mitt Romney,
    b. Detroit, Mich., 12 March 1947,
    Governor of Massachusetts 2003-2007
    [Ancestral File AFN:5TZQ-NC]

    His father: George Wilcken Romney,
    chairman of American Motors 1954-1962,
    Governor of Michigan 1963-1969,
    US Secretary of Housing and Urban Development 1969-1973,
    b. Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, México, 8 July 1907,
    d.
    Bloomfield Hills, Mich., 26 July 1995
    [SSDI 577-10-6742],
    bur. Fairview Cemetery, Brighton, Mich.
    m. Salt Lake City, Utah, 2 July 1931

    His mother: Lenore LaFount,
    b. Logan, Utah, 9 Nov. 1908,
    d. … , Mich., 7 July 1998
    [SSDI 366-48-0926],
    bur. Fairview Cemetery, Brighton, Mich.

    His GRANDFATHER (father’s side): Gaskell Romney,
    b. St. George, Utah, 22 Sept. 1871,
    d. Salt Lake City, Utah, 7 March 1955,
    bur. Wasatch Lawn Memorial Park, Salt Lake City, Utah
    m. Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, México, 20 Feb. 1895

    His Grandmother (father’s side): Anna Amelia Pratt,
    b. Salt Lake City, Utah, 6 May 1876,
    d. Salt Lake City, Utah, 4 Feb. 1926,
    bur. Wasatch Lawn Memorial Park, Salt Lake City, Utah

    His Grandfather (mother’s side): Harold Arundel LaFount,
    b. Birmingham, co. Warwick, 5 Jan. 1880,
    d. Detroit, Mich., 21 Oct. 1952

    m. Logan, Utah, 20 Oct. 1903

    His Grandmother (mother’s side): Alma Luella Robison,
    b. Montpelier, Idaho, 19 Aug. 1882,
    d. Washington, D. C., 8 Sept. 1938,
    bur. Shrine of Memma, Salt Lake City, Utah

    Here is where it gets tricky and why the Law of Nations is used in every instance of determining “natural born”. Notice that Mitt’s father was born in Mexico of two “natives of America” on both the mother and the father’s side. Why is that significant? Because it sets up Mitt Romney as being born of United States citizen parents. How? Because the grandparents gave to “Mitt Romney’s father” the status of a natural born citizen regardless of where Mitt’s father was born. Mitt’s father was a natural born citizen because his parents were both American citizens. Please notice, also, that Mitt’s grandfather returned to the United States with his son, George, who grew up in the U.S. and married an American woman and they have lived here ever since, raising their Son, Mitt, as an American in every sense of the word.

    Regarding Mitt’s father, it is stated in http://library.kiwix.org:4201/A/George_W_Romney.html that “Romney was a candidate for President in 1968… ultimately losing the Republican nomination to Richard Nixon. Romney was born to American parents in Mexico. His family moved back to the United States when he was a child.”

    So as a result of Mitt Romney’s father being the offspring of two American citizens, regardless of George being born abroad, and that George Romney also lived in the United States for the 14 years required by the U.S. Constitution, Mitt Romney’s father, George, was both eligible to and did run for the office of President, and he has conferred that same “natural born” eligibility to his son, Mitt.
    Annette

    **********************************************

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/how-mitt-romneys-mexican-born-father-was-eligible-to-be-president/

    By Huma Khan
    @humaik
    Jan 27, 2012 6:12pm
    How Mitt Romney’s Mexican-Born Father Was Eligible to be President

    Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, has been invoked on the campaign trail often.

    Newt Gingrich used his release of 12 years’ of tax records as an example to push his rival to release his own tax returns. On Thursday night, Romney mentioned the fact that his father was born in Mexico in response to Gingrich’s allegations that he is “anti-immigrant,” which raises the question: If George Romney was born in Mexico, how could he run for president?

    It is clear that naturalized citizens cannot qualify for the office of president, but there is no clarification in the U.S. Constitution pertaining to people born to U.S. citizens in a foreign country, and there is no definition of a “natural-born citizen.” Some experts have challenged the idea that foreign-born children of U.S. citizens are “natural-born” because citizenship is conferred upon them after birth.

    A Congressional Research Service report published in November comes closest to answering that question.

    “There have been legitimate legal issues raised concerning those born outside of the country to U.S. citizens,” the report states. “The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term ‘natural born’ citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship ‘by birth’ or ‘at birth,’ either by being born ’in’ the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship ‘at birth.’”

    Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico.

    Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.

    “When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

    Romney was the first presidential candidate born outside the United States, and his decision to run against Nixon in the Republican primary of 1968 raised many questions.

    “This is not the kind of issue that was decided by the courts,” Spiro said. “No court has said definitively, but I think there’s some consensus understanding that a person such as George Romney would be eligible to be president.”

    The issue came to the limelight again in 2008 with both parties’ candidates. Sen. John McCain was born on a U.S. naval air station in the Panama Canal Zone when his father was posted there, leading some to question whether he would be eligible for the presidency. It turned out to be a non-issue because a law passed in 1937, and applied retroactively, gave citizenship to anyone born in Panama whose mother or father was a U.S. citizen. President Obama was dogged for much longer by the birther movement about where he was born. The president released his birth certificate as proof that he was born in Hawaii.

    Citizenship for foreign-born children of U.S. nationals is not an issue that has gained widespread attention. George Romney didn’t make it far enough into the campaign for it to pose a problem, but that’s likely to change, Spiro says.

    “Going forward, there are likely to be other cases of other individuals who are born out the United States with citizenship, who achieve political prominence and who are in the ballpark for presidency,” he said. “This issue is not going to go away.”

    Several members of Congress — mostly Republicans — have attempted to cement this practice into a bill.

    Former Sen. Don Nickles introduced the Natural Born Citizen Act in 2004 to define the term, natural-born citizen, to include people who derived citizenship at birth from a U.S. citizen parent and to children under 18 who were adopted by U.S. citizens.

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, went a step further, introducing the Equal Right to Govern Amendment in July 2003 to allow immigrants who had been naturalized for at least 20 years to run for president.

  352. ROTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That link cites the same info I posted saying MR’s parents were American citizens AND it cites wikipedia sources.

    :roll:.

  353. I have two links re: Mitt and his eligibility and his father’s eligibility to run for president that are in moderation now

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/how-mitt-romneys-mexican-born-father-was-eligible-to-be-president/

    By Huma Khan
    @humaik
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    Jan 27, 2012 6:12pm
    How Mitt Romney’s Mexican-Born Father Was Eligible to be President
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    (Image Credit: Bachrach/Getty Images)
    Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, has been invoked on the campaign trail often.

    Newt Gingrich used his release of 12 years’ of tax records as an example to push his rival to release his own tax returns. On Thursday night, Romney mentioned the fact that his father was born in Mexico in response to Gingrich’s allegations that he is “anti-immigrant,” which raises the question: If George Romney was born in Mexico, how could he run for president?

    It is clear that naturalized citizens cannot qualify for the office of president, but there is no clarification in the U.S. Constitution pertaining to people born to U.S. citizens in a foreign country, and there is no definition of a “natural-born citizen.” Some experts have challenged the idea that foreign-born children of U.S. citizens are “natural-born” because citizenship is conferred upon them after birth.

    A Congressional Research Service report published in November comes closest to answering that question.

    “There have been legitimate legal issues raised concerning those born outside of the country to U.S. citizens,” the report states. “The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term ‘natural born’ citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship ‘by birth’ or ‘at birth,’ either by being born ’in’ the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship ‘at birth.’”

    Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico.

    Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.

    “When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”

    Romney was the first presidential candidate born outside the United States, and his decision to run against Nixon in the Republican primary of 1968 raised many questions.

    “This is not the kind of issue that was decided by the courts,” Spiro said. “No court has said definitively, but I think there’s some consensus understanding that a person such as George Romney would be eligible to be president.”

    The issue came to the limelight again in 2008 with both parties’ candidates. Sen. John McCain was born on a U.S. naval air station in the Panama Canal Zone when his father was posted there, leading some to question whether he would be eligible for the presidency. It turned out to be a non-issue because a law passed in 1937, and applied retroactively, gave citizenship to anyone born in Panama whose mother or father was a U.S. citizen. President Obama was dogged for much longer by the birther movement about where he was born. The president released his birth certificate as proof that he was born in Hawaii.

    Citizenship for foreign-born children of U.S. nationals is not an issue that has gained widespread attention. George Romney didn’t make it far enough into the campaign for it to pose a problem, but that’s likely to change, Spiro says.

    “Going forward, there are likely to be other cases of other individuals who are born out the United States with citizenship, who achieve political prominence and who are in the ballpark for presidency,” he said. “This issue is not going to go away.”

    Several members of Congress — mostly Republicans — have attempted to cement this practice into a bill.

    Former Sen. Don Nickles introduced the Natural Born Citizen Act in 2004 to define the term, natural-born citizen, to include people who derived citizenship at birth from a U.S. citizen parent and to children under 18 who were adopted by U.S. citizens.

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, went a step further, introducing the Equal Right to Govern Amendment in July 2003 to allow immigrants who had been naturalized for at least 20 years to run for president.

    **********************************

  354. democrat1,

    Yup. I’m afraid you are right about that especially in light of what Malahi ruled.

    “Anybody can contest for president post and refuse to show any evidence as BO is doing.”

  355. CNN just reported that G’s campaign has been changing facts about Calista Gingrich in Wikipedia…it said they have changed “sensitive” things about how and when they met, etc…many changes…

  356. Shadowfax,

    “I have a question for everyone…if I read this correctly, then is it true anyone born in the US can now be President, even a child of illegal aliens?”

    That just doesn’t seem right, does it? But I am still lost along, it seems, with everyone else. And BO is taking advantage of the lack of clarity to slip under the radar. What a mess.

    I am still lost.

  357. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/02/03/romney-poor-trump-inevitable/

    Romney’s Flaws won’t Stop his Streak
    by Jonathan Tobin

    Since Florida Republicans gave him a massive victory on Tuesday night, Mitt Romney has not had a good few days. His absurd statement about not caring about the very poor, from which, as Seth wrote earlier, he has already backtracked, was a gaffe of the first order. He followed that by showing up at a press conference in Las Vegas to accept Donald Trump’s endorsement, a decision that was generally lambasted and even labeled his worst “biggest blunder” by Phillip Klein in the Washington Examiner.

    But while Romney gave his detractors plenty of ammunition, those expecting another swing in momentum as we’ve seen several times during the course of the GOP race, are almost certainly going to be disappointed. For all his bad judgment and proven inability to speak the language of conservatives as Peter Wehner pointed out, I think those burying him are exaggerating his problems. Romney is still about to embark on the first substantial winning streak of the campaign that will secure him the GOP nomination.

    Tomorrow, Romney will almost certainly win the Nevada Republican caucus. On Tuesday, he has a good chance of running the table in caucuses in Maine, Colorado and Minnesota as well as the non-binding primary in Missouri. After a three-week lull, Michigan and Arizona will then hold elections on February 28, and he will be favored to win in both states. Though Newt Gingrich is hoping to hang on until Super Tuesday the week after that when he may do better in some of the southern states, at that point the notion of Romney’s inevitability will have already become so strong that the former speaker’s plan to mobilize conservatives against the frontrunner will be severely handicapped. Indeed, Gingrich may be in greater danger of being passed by fellow insurgent Rick Santorum than of catching Romney.

    All of which is to say the momentary bumps along the road for Romney such as his remarks about the poor or Trump are not likely to derail his path to the nomination or materially affect his chances of winning in November.

    His association with Trump is a blip on the radar screen that won’t change many votes one way or the other, now or in the fall. If anything, those who worry about his playing ball with a blowhard celebrity would do better to focus on the danger to Romney from any compromises with Ron Paul and his crowd at the Republican convention this summer. Trump’s potential to embarrass Romney pales beside that of the libertarian extremist.

    More seriously, the flaws in the candidate’s ability to express his thoughts or to connect with ordinary voters — especially conservatives — are a problem that must be addressed by his campaign. But Romney’s weaknesses are by now the givens in this election. If he is to win the presidency it will not be the result of some artificial fix by his handlers but because they will be offset by the public’s good opinion of his strengths–such as his skill in analyzing and solving problems as well as the obvious decency of the man. Democrats will spend the next nine months pounding Romney for his wealth and his supposed lack of care for the poor. But if independents and wavering Democrats are convinced that a smart technocrat who knows how the economy works and whose personal dedication to charity exceeds that of any other major political figure is what the country needs, then the attacks won’t work.

    While the Republican nomination is not yet in Romney’s pocket, the February winning streak he is about to embark on is such that it will make it all but certain. That will give his opponents plenty of time to focus on his problems, and we should expect to be hearing about them non-stop until November. But the focus on these stories is merely the background noise of the presidential campaign. The main story remains Romney’s inexorable march to victory in Tampa.

    **************************************

    one thing for sure…his advisors need to teach R how to self edit and empathize more

  358. BASIL99
    February 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Shadowfax,

    “I have a question for everyone…if I read this correctly, then is it true anyone born in the US can now be President, even a child of illegal aliens?”

    That just doesn’t seem right, does it? But I am still lost along, it seems, with everyone else. And BO is taking advantage of the lack of clarity to slip under the radar. What a mess.

    I am still lost.
    ——-

    Just sayin’, if no one has standing in court these days, and all judges think Barry being born in Hawaii is darn good enough, is that the magic key that makes it okeydokey to let anyone born in the US able to be President.

    This turd is smelling up our Constitution!

  359. Hero or traitor? Pakistani doctor accused of treason over involvement in bin Laden compound raid

    Questions are being raised about the safety of a Pakistani doctor who might have played a vital, heroic — and even unknowing — role in the ultimate take-down of Usama bin Laden.

    Dr. Shikal Afridi may be in the custody of Pakistan’s clandestine Inter-Services Intelligence agency after it discovered that he had participated in a fake Hepatitis B vaccination program that attempted to gain DNA samples from people within the Abbottabad compound that housed bin Laden, several followers and their families.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/03/hero-or-traitor-pakistani-doctor-held-for-treason-over-involvement-in-bin-laden/#ixzz1lMtfkK86

  360. Clause A = “Only a natural born Citizen may be President.” – Article 2, Section 1, Constitution.

    Clause B = “Anyone born in the United States is a Citizen.” -14th amendment.

    The two clauses seem to conflict.

    Article 2, Section 1

    ‘No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
    Clause B = “Anyone born in the United States is a Citizen.”

    14th amendment.

    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.

    ‘All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;’

    It seems the term natural born citizen was not defined. I guess that’s where all the confusion comes from. What exactly is a natural born citizen?

    I have a headache.

  361. BASIL99
    February 3rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    What I am saying is that it will take someone with legal expertise, like wobbei, to answer these questions. Oh, and there are questions about Romney’s eligibility just as OAbaMAO. Iirc and I could be wrong, it is a LAW somewhere that if a military person is serving their country and a child is born on assignment, then citizenship is automatic as in McCain’s case.And Mitt’s grandfather seems to have been born in Utah Territory before statehood……..does that qualifiy for citizenship as well?

    I have been researching as well, but I doubt seriously that Romney is a citizen even though his father seemed to say so when he wanted to run for office; but then again too ObaMAO has f’d up our whole entire system and Consitituion.

  362. S,

    “CNN just reported that G’s campaign has been changing facts about Calista Gingrich in Wikipedia.”

    I wouldn’t imagine those staffers would also be able to break into a 1995 NYT story and change the facts, would they? Even though I’m no fan of the NYT it would seem that the info published in 1995 would have been accurate, right? I mean, when the story states George Romney was born in Mexico to American parents the reporter could not have known that MR was going to run for prez in 2008 and in 2012 and would therefore need to have all media report his dad was born to American citizens, right?

    :raspberry:

  363. And now I will post a brief effective rebuttal to that article.

    “Mexico had a law on the books, specifically for American settlers that their offspring would not get citizenship if they were born in Mexico. George Romney was never naturalized because he was born a US citizen. this has been researched ad nauseum. PPlease do not spread incorrect information. It only makes us seem fringe and crazy. Let’s argue on the issues, not conspiracy craziness. The current birthright citizenship law in Mexico was enacted in 1998 but was not on the books when George was born.”

    I agree with this statement: PPlease do not spread incorrect information. It only makes us seem fringe and crazy. Let’s argue on the issues, not conspiracy craziness.

    BTW, I have just pulled up a pile of sh!t on Newt which I won’t bother to post because it is equally nutty.

    Let’s face it, anyone can pull up anything about anyone on the internets.

    My position is MR is a better candidate than BO and preferable, IMHO, to NG.

  364. Why is everyone so concerned about Mitt, McCain or anyone being natural born when the snake in the Whitehouse hasn’t been proved to be an unNatural citizen with a father that was born In Kenya.

    If this proves our courts are a sham, then everyone will have no problem sliding in if their folks were born in Mexico, France, Iran or anywhere.

  365. Shadowfax,

    Absolutely AGREED!!!!!!!!!!

    I was simply putting to rest the notion that those who do not support certain candidates here know nothing about the rumors surrounding others.

    And now, I am done!

    ANYONE but ABO!!!!!!!!!!!.

    I

  366. What I have posted are cites from legal, as in LEGAL, documents; not internet bullcrap from sites that are changed to fit the fancy of the person posting the information.

    This is a question for the courts to decide……not wait for the Consitution to weigh in on.

    I have two sets of two of two grandparents, four sets of two great grandparents, and eight sets of two great great grandparents, How many does Mitt Romney have? That is right the number of great-grandpas would be the same, likely, but the number of great-grandmothers equals to how many the great-grandfathers wanted to have by as many wives as they wanted to have……………funny.

    Seriously, the question needs to be determined for Romney, ObaMAO, Rubio and anyone else who wants to represent this country in the most powerful and important seat in the world.

  367. jbstonesfan
    February 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “PS-JanH..with Obama now a sure re-elect, Israel must strike soon!!! A second term will pretty much guarantee a huge departure in US support, so they need to hit now and Obama will reluctantly have to re-supply arms before election to maintain his Jewish base(even the lefties would be upset if Israel civilian centers are hit by Iranian missiles after the attack-I think?).”

    ——————

    Honestly, I go back and forth on whether Israel will attack.

  368. Clinton arrives for security talks in Munich

    (AFP) – 1 hour ago

    MUNICH, Germany — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived here Friday for international security talks where aides said she would send a “strong message of support” for ties with Europe as Washington makes a strategic pivot to Asia.

    During her visit to the southern German city of Munich, aides added, Clinton would also discuss Afghanistan, Iran and the Arab pro-democracy revolutions, including the uprising in Syria which faces a looming UN Security Council vote.

    In a highlight at the annual Munich Security Conference, the chief US diplomat will join US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Saturday in speaking to a Euro-Atlantic Security Community Initiative Session and take questions.

    A senior State Department official told reporters on Clinton’s plane it would be “a real opportunity for the two of them together to send a strong message of support for an engagement with Europe,” the traditional US security partner.

    The official said on condition of anonymity that Panetta would discuss the implications for Europe of a defense review under which the United States is increasing its forces in Asia and reducing them in the Middle East and Europe.

    Forced to make tough choices in tight budgetary times, Washington sees the new strategic challenge in the Asia-Pacific region as a newly powerful and assertive China rattles US allies in the region.

    For her part, Clinton will discuss what a “key partner” Europe is in “the global security, economic, democracy promotion agenda that we have,” the official said during the flight from Washington.

    Officials said Clinton will also hold a number of bilateral talks, including with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Amr.

    They said Clinton would speak with Lavrov about the Security Council debate on Syria, which is due to come to a head on Saturday with a vote on a resolution aimed at supporting an Arab League plan for a political transition.

    The senior State Department official also predicted frank talks with Yanukovych, whom Clinton is “likely” to see.

    “We would like to see a much stronger US relationship with Ukraine, but we also have some expectations of Ukraine,” including in the area of democracy and the imprisonment of former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, he said.

    “We’re concerned about what really looks like selective prosecution,” the official said.

    The official did not say what was on the agenda for Clinton’s talks with Amr, but a continuing Egyptian government crackdown on US-funded pro-democracy groups has infuriated Washington.

    The official said Clinton was also likely to discuss with her partners at the conference common efforts to curb Iran’s nuclear ambitions and NATO plans to hand security to the security forces of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jj2CbqjgylvTB_HZnuMVCk47IZjA?docId=CNG.c65bebdffb33578a1d35aa9b986d32b0.6e1

  369. Tymoshenko writes letter to Hillary Clinton from prison

    Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko has sent a letter to United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, thanking her for support, said the Ukrainian former prime minister’s daughter Yevhenia.

    “Actually, it is a private letter and I cannot comment on it. But mum thanked her for the support and for supporting the democracy that still remains in Ukraine,” Yevhenia told Interfax-Ukraine on Thursday.

    In her letter, Tymoshenko expressed confidence that the U.S. position will be able to influence the resolution of the Ukrainian political crisis, she said.

    Clinton stressed that the U.S. State Department has always supported and will continue to support Tymoshenko and Ukrainian political detainees, and will apply new tools and methods to influence a change in the course chosen by Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and government, Tymoshenko’s daughter said.

    Clinton did not say that the State Department will send representatives to Ukraine to study the political situation in the country, the ex-prime minister’s daughter said.

    However, at her meetings with the State Department and presidential administration officials she did ask for support and help, and for a visit by administration officials to Ukraine, she said.

    “We were told that this is possible but have not been given exact dates yet,” Yevhenia Tymoshenko said.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/news/politics/detail/121722/

  370. Jewish Group To Honor Clinton

    Friday, February 3, 2012

    LITTLE ROCK — Former president and Arkansas governor Bill Clinton will receive a lifetime achievement award from the Jewish Federation of Arkansas in Little Rock on Saturday, the federation said Monday.

    “We are honored to welcome President Clinton to Little Rock to present him with this award because he has and continues to strive to make the world a better place for us all,” Scott Levine, president of the federation’s board, said in a news release.

    Clinton will receive the Tikkun Olam Lifetime Achievement Award at the federation’s Tikkun Olam Dinner and 100th anniversary celebration at the Statehouse Convention Center.

    The evening’s activities will begin with a 6:30 reception.

    Tikkun Olam, literally “repairing the world,” is a concept in Judaism that means increasing the well-being of the world by helping those in need.

    Clinton “has exemplified Tikkun Olam in Arkansas and throughout the world. He has been a strong advocate for the state of Israel and for justice for all people. He is most deserving of this honor and we are grateful for his commitment to improve global health, strengthen economies worldwide, promote healthier childhoods and protect the environment,” Levine said.

    The group said it also will present 12 Tikkun Olam awards to Arkansans in recognition of their commitment to making the world a better place.

    Those honorees will be Ellen and Stan Kessler of Bentonville; Elleen Leiber of Fayetteville; Jim Shipley of Fort Smith; Sue Koppel of Hot Springs; former Supreme Court Justice Annabelle Imber Tuck, Beth Levi, Jonathan Feldman, Karen Mackey, Becky Marks and Bonnie Nickol, all of Little Rock; and Rose Ann Naron of McGehee

    http://www.swtimes.com/state_news/article_7ac48cb8-4e77-11e1-ac41-0019bb2963f4.html

  371. Oh PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

    The US Mormons banned polygamy in the late 1900’s. MR’s father had one wife. I can see why many of us are suspicious of BO – his father was not an American citizen – but to go back 100 years – whatever.

    I am not particularly enamored of mormonism or any other organized religion, to tell the truth, but to question a candidate who was a governor, whose father was a governor – honestly, that is really a stretch.

    I have far better things to do with my time than to go back to the 1880’s and trace MR’s ancestry. He and his immediate predecessors have been in the U.S. for over 100 years.

    As far as so-called internet bullcr@p, “changed to fit the fancy of the person posting the information” I have no idea of what you mean. I changed nothing. I just posted a link and one of the comments to the link. I asked for other links but none were forthcoming so I nosed around by myself.

    Please provide if you have them.

    And let’s all get off these tangents and get back to ABO.

  372. Oh no, I just saw that we are on post 508 again and last thread when we were on post 700+ the thread started to crash and freeze…I will have to stay mum for awhile.

  373. I found this over on MarkAmerica (http://markamerica.com/). I don’t know what to think.

    “Ron Paul Sold His Soul to Mitt Romney?

    I don’t know if this is true, but some of the facts are well-known, and if it’s true in any measure, the people who are supporting Ron Paul will be asked to shuffle across the convention floor to support Mitt Romney, not in exchange for the Vice Presidency, and not even for a cabinet posting, but for a speech for Paul and his Senator son in prime-time during the Republican National convention….”

  374. Here is a treasure trove of muck spread around Chicago when BO was a community organizer for Tony Rezko.Hillary brought this up during the debates with BO.Much more corruption stories and the entire court hearings were covered by Evelyn.He truly is a man without a country and no records of any activities while in college senate ad his job with the Mob in the windy city.Keepdigging folks it is all on the records.

  375. What the MSM is not talking about are millions of Democratic voters that will probably never come back the party. The party id shift which Gallup documents is only part of problem for the Democratic party. This is going to years before before the Democratic party will recover.

  376. Lost Dem

    Most of the lost voters have become independents, even if they are still registered Dems, like I am. No longer will these voters just trust the media to get their facts and most of us will recognize a true Democrat like Hillary when we see her.

    We never fell for the hope and change shapeshifter, so we were already ahead of the curve.

  377. His absurd statement about not caring about the very poor, from which, as Seth wrote earlier, he has already backtracked, was a gaffe of the first order.

    ==================

    That wasn’t a ‘gaffe and backtrack’, it was a misquote corrected by a repeat of the actual quote. Like when “NOT spend money on Obamacare” was misquoted as “spend” without the ‘not’.

    I’m not strongly for Romney, but I’m strongly AGAINST unfair attacks, misquotes, omitting context, etc. Like the photo of Perry shooting a gun that cut out the setting: he was signalling the start of an auto race! THey cut out the platform and the cars from the photo!

  378. Controversial Artist Depicts Obama Trampling The Constitution

    Provo, Utah (CBS Las Vegas) – In front of the White House a man is sitting on a park bench in the throes of depression. He is surrounded by 43 presidents. In the forefront, purposefully ignoring the depressed man is President Obama, whose right foot is stepping on the Constitution. James Madison is next to Obama, pleading with him to stop.

    This tableau is called “The Forgotten Man”, a painting by Jon McNaughton, an artist who is known for his politically-charged work.

    http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/02/03/controversial-artist-depicts-obama-trampling-the-constitution/

  379. This day 4 years in ago in Nevada, when Hillary with a lot of help from Bill defeated the corruptness of Obama’s campaign and won the Nevada caucuses.

    Amazing the shit Obama pulled here in 2008, she won the caucus yet walked away with less delegates….disgraceful DNC.

  380. Nevada 4yrs ago- there was snow on the ground. Hillary staffers bought out a hrdw store of shovels and Ice-Melt pellets for clearing the way in front of polling stations. I remember it well.

    democrat1 has a summary of Romney’s natural born status, should it come up- also with a link to good info:
    _________________

    democrat1
    February 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am

    It seems not only the One, but also Mittens is also not qualified under our constitution
    because they are not “natural born citizens

    Quote:

    As many know, there have been rumors regarding this but let me connect a few dots.

    Mitt’s grandparents left the U.S. amid crackdowns on polygamy before Utah became a state and they moved to Mexico. We all know that. Mitt’s father was born in Mexico. We all know THAT.

    Here’s where it gets cloudy.

    Did Mitt’s grandparents, specifically his grandfather, Gaskell Romney, become a citizen of Mexico? It seems, SEEMS likely that he did. Gaskell lived there for many years with his wives and when the Mexican civil war broke out, he first sent his wife and kids to El Paso and Gaskell himself made the trip a short time later. One of those kids was a 5-year-old George Romney, Mitt’s father.

    Remember, just a week or so ago, during a Florida debate, Mitt got angry over an immigration statement made by Newt and clearly stated that his grandparents immigrated from Mexico.

    Does one immigrate to a country of which they are already a citizen?

    There are many varying reports concerning George Romney’s citizenship status and that of his father and to say it’s murky is an understatement. Did Gaskell renounce his US citizenship when he fled to Mexico? Did he repatriate when he came back? Did George, Mitt’s father, naturalize? Did he need to?

    It’s nearly impossible to tell and rest assured, this was a VERY big question back in 1967 – 1968 when George was running for President. I will leave a link at the end of this article to all of this but be warned, it’ll leave your head spinning.

    Bottom line on this part is: Without providing proof of U.S. citizenship either passed to George Romney by Gaskell upon his birth or naturalization documents related to George and/or documented proof that Gaskell was always a U.S. Citizen even when living in Mexico…we can’t really be sure, can we??

    Add to this murkiness the fact that those living in the territory Utah, as Gaskell did before fleeing to Mexico, were not automatically considered to be U.S. Citizens when Utah became a state…Which by the way, happened AFTER Gaskell fled.

    This is of GREAT importance. In most territories, those living there were considered U.S. Citizens when the territory became a state. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE WITH THE TERRITORY OF UTAH! Since Gaskell was living in the TERRITORY of Utah when he fled to Mexico, he was not considered a U.S. Citizen…or was he? WHO KNOWS??

    With the republican establishment solidly behind Romney and Romney’s family history/citizenship in murky waters, is it any wonder Fox News has virtually blacked out any coverage of the Obama eligibility hearing in Georgia? Certainly, I’m not the only one who has noticed the Fox News/Romney buddy fest.

    Further connection of dots takes one even deeper.

    Many in the republican party and the Tea Party would like to see Marco Rubio on the ticket.

    As much as I like Rubio, he doesn’t qualify as eligible according to the constitution.

    Joseph Farah point blank said it on Fox News with Sean Hannity. Rubio is not eligible. He’s absolutely correct.

    Rubio’s parents fled Cuba and settled in Miami back in 1956. They became U.S. Citizens in 1975. MARCO RUBIO WAS BORN IN MIAMI IN 1971!!! When Marco was born, NEITHER of his parents were U.S. Citizens.

    I believe Marco knows he is ineligible. He has stated in no uncertain terms he will NOT be the VP on the ticket.

    Here’s the rub.

    Listen to the video below. Listen to Hannity’s reaction when Farah says Rubio is ineligible. He’s STUNNED!!
    What is just as, if not more telling, is Bob Beckel’s reaction. Many Fox viewers are familiar with Beckel and most can’t stand him. Okay. I’m in that boat. Beckel is VERY well connected and I suspect, he tipped the liberal’s hand here.

    BECKEL SAYS RUBIO SHOULD BE THE VP ON THE TICKET AND ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE NEEDS THEIR HEAD EXAMINED!

    Why? Ask yourself why a well connected liberal would want the Tea Party favorite in Florida, a staunch conservative, on the ticket.

    Here’s why.

    BECAUSE IT WOULD PLACE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE EXACT SAME BOAT AS OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WHEN IT COMES TO NATURAL BORN ELIGIBILITY!!

    Now…add THAT to a murky Romney as the nominee.

    Read

    http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=4248#more-4248

  381. mop: shit Obama pulled here [NV]in 2008
    —————–
    Yes. Always leaving justice, fair play in the dust. My current passion is reminding my USPS contacts of the Tea Party protest in DC when Obamacare was passed. All you have to do is search (Scroogle) “Pelosi taunt” to get this video (the intensity of which must not be forgotten):
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi taunts opponents of Healthcare Legislation Outside the Capitol – YouTube
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and a gang of House Democrats force their way through a crowd, linked arm by arm in a stunning display of audacity towards opponents of the government takeover of healthcare.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyLPG5MJCKg
    It is from FoxNews, narrated by Stuart Varney. Focus of the video is on the House members. Crowd is heard in background with steady voice: “Kill the bill. Kill the bill.” Brings tears to my eyes more than it did back then.

  382. Remember and never forget when the obama bots tried to block the Hillary NV caucusers on the floors of the casino’s and lock them out and the threats levelled at them.

  383. Clinton pledges US commitment to Europe

    By Lachlan Carmichael (AFP) – 4 hours ago

    MUNICH, Germany — The United States said Saturday that Europe remains Washington’s security “partner of first resort” despite a US strategic pivot to Asia, but urged Europe to pull its weight.

    In a twin effort to reassure Europe about the historic US commitment to the continent, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta delivered carefully calibrated messages of support.

    Hot foreign policy issues such as Iran, Afghanistan and Syria also loomed large over the 48th annual Munich Security Conference, a gathering of world leaders, ministers and top brass.

    In a speech at a roundtable talk with Panetta, Clinton pledged cooperative efforts for a united and secure Europe, mutual economic recovery, an “agile” security alliance, and a democratic Middle East along the Mediterranean.

    The chief US diplomat also urged her European partners in the southern German city of Munich to work together in meeting “the opportunities that lie ahead” in the Asia-Pacific region.

    “I’ve heard all the talk about where Europe fits into America’s global outlook. I’ve heard some of the doubts expressed. But the reality couldn’t be clearer: Europe is America’s partner of first resort,” she stressed.

    Forced to make tough choices in tight budgetary times, the United States is shifting its military priorities to Asia and the Middle East — even if it has pulled its troops out of Iraq and begins a drawdown in Afghanistan.

    Reducing its military presence in Europe while tailoring it to future threats, Washington sees the looming strategic challenge in the Asia-Pacific as a newly powerful and assertive China rattles US allies in the region.

    In opening the conference Friday, German Defence Minister Thomas de Maiziere said Europe should not fear a renewed US focus on Asia and must increasingly look after its own backyard militarily without its historic ally.

    In his speech on Saturday, Panetta said: “Europe remains our security partner of choice for military operations and diplomacy around the world — as we saw in Libya last year, and as we see in Afghanistan every day.

    “We are therefore deeply committed to strengthening transatlantic security partnerships and institutions, including NATO,” he said.

    While the US military plans to withdraw two of its four army brigades stationed in Europe in 2014, Panetta announced that a US-based brigade will contribute to the NATO Response Force, a 13,000-strong unit created in 2002.

    The US military will also rotate a battalion-sized task force to Germany to take part in exercises and training.

    But Panetta also renewed pressure on European allies to keep investing in defence and to pool resources as part of the “Smart Defence” initiative aimed at maintaining military capabilities.

    Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski said: “I am convinced the time is ripe for the EU to seriously take its responsibilities for the security in Europe and its neighborhood.”

    Meanwhile, Clinton and Germany’s foreign minister Guido Westerwelle appealed for UN Security Council action to stop the bloodshed in Syria where an estimated 6,000 people have died in a 11-month crackdown on pro-democracy protesters.

    “As a tyrant in Damascus brutalises his own people, America and Europe stand shoulder to shoulder. We are united, alongside the Arab League, in demanding an end to the bloodshed and a democratic future for Syria,” Clinton said.

    “And we are hopeful that at 10 am Eastern Standard Time in New York, the Security Council will express the will of the international community,” Clinton said, referring to vote expected at 1500GMT on a UN draft resolution that condemns Damascus’ action.

    Clinton later met Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of the Munich conference in a bid to clinch Russian support for the tough UN resolution which also supports a transition to democracy in Syria.

    But Lavrov told Russian television earlier that the latest draft “does not suit us at all and I hope that it is not put to a vote.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gg-XsSA0AygIP3t_r8dmOFHOJ7mg?docId=CNG.c77bb96fc2c6873be20c46213d1efe50.181

  384. Clinton, Lavrov have “vigorous” talks on Syria: U.S. official

    Sat Feb 4, 2012

    Reuters) – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had “vigorous” talks with Russia’s foreign minister in Munich on Saturday about his objections to a U.N. Security Council draft resolution on Syria and she still hopes Moscow will vote ‘yes’, a U.S. official said.

    She and Sergei Lavrov agreed on the urgency of the situation

    in Syria, and Clinton made it clear she believed the vote should go ahead on Saturday as scheduled, said a senior U.S. State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    “The secretary and foreign minister had a very vigorous discussion. They agreed that the situation on the ground is urgent, given the violence,” the official told reporters after the meeting took place at the Munich Security Conference.

    “The secretary made clear that we feel, that the United States feels strongly that the U.N. Security Council should vote today,” said the official, adding that the “action” now moves to the U.N. headquarters in New York.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/04/us-syria-russia-clinton-idUSTRE8130DE20120204

  385. Devestating….

    Wow: Uncommitted voters in Rasmussen head-to-head tracking poll between Obama and Romney give Obama 20% job approval

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/04/rasmussen-obama-job-approval-among-uncommitted-voters-at-20/

    Some have suggested that Republicans could nominate a syphilitic camel in 2012 and still beat Barack Obama. (Hey, I’m willing to hear the camel out; what’s his position on taxes?) That sounded like hyperbole until Scott Rasmussen released this video today, discussing the internals of his head-to-head matchups in weekly tracking polls. Mitt Romney now ties Obama 45/45 in the latest three-day cycle, but the uncommitted voters — 420 respondents, 12% of their sample — have a distinctly sour take on the President:

  386. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_politics

    Articles like this get you all excited, when in actuality it will probably be some last minute improvement or collapse of the stock market that will decide who is President. McCain was doing well until the stock market went down. What he had to do with that, other than belonging to the party in office at the time, is beyond me. To think that O could have another 4 years to do nothing (he will not have a majority), makes me sick, and fearful tht we can never recover.

  387. Shadowfax
    February 4th, 2012 at 12:57 am

    I vaguely remember that picture only with George W standing on the Constitution. At any rate that picture seem familiar to me. I could be way wrong, but still.

  388. Useful.

    http://biggovernment.com/publius/2012/02/04/how-does-the-nevada-caucus-work/

    How does the Nevada Caucus work?
    As most caucuses work, you do not do a direct vote for a candidate like primaries. The caucus has 3 levels: The precinct, the county convention and finally the state convention. Overall Nevada has 33 Democratic delegates and 34 Republican delegates.

    Nevada Precinct Caucuses

    This is where any registered voter can participate. [Ed: Only registered Republicans can vote in the Nevada GOP caucus.] The precinct voting is a very informal proceeding. It starts with the voters gathered into preference groups for each candidate. A simple head count is taken for each precinct. It takes a minimum of 15 percent in each precinct for a candidate to be viable. If a candidate’s preference group is not viable, they can choose to caucus with another group (pick another candidate), or be uncommitted. There is time for each viable candidate’s group to try to talk the unviable candidates voters into choosing their candidate. This is way many times a candidate will seem to have not received any votes, though the actually may have originally. Each precinct then elects a representative (delegate) to move on to the county convention.

    Nevada County Convention
    Delegates to the county convention were then selected amongst the candidate groups. A similar process occurred at the county convention. Although they file statements of support for their chosen candidate, all delegates are technically unbound until the state convention, otherwise the may change their vote. In some cases the candidate originally chosen may have dropped out of the race.

    Nevada State Convention
    There is no formal system of allocating delegates to presidential candidates at the state convention for the Republicans while the Democrats delegates to the state convention are chosen by vote at the county convention.

    From KGOAM:

    Caucus times will vary across the state, but most will take place between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. PT. There is one evening caucus scheduled at 7 p.m. in Clark County for those voters who cannot caucus during the day because of religious reasons.

    …………………….

    or alternatively if you are Barack Obama, lie, cheat, intimidate, threaten and use physical violence.

  389. Shadowfax
    February 4th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Betty

    Sounds like someone is twisting the story to make Paul sound evil and his supporters like fools.
    ————–
    Gosh I hope you are right Shadowfax. After I read that article I realized how much I was comforted by just knowing Rom Paul was there fighting for our constitution. And now that makes me think of when the msm said Hillary was withdrawing from the race on the morning of the last two primaries.

  390. Russia & China veto UN Security Council resolution endorsing Arab League plan

    Increasingly apparent these 2 countries will do anything to help dictators.

  391. jbstonesfan
    February 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Unemployment down to 8.3% and huge employment gains …this is not good news for those of us wanting Obama out of office.
    &&&&&&&&

    NYT lead article says these unexpectedly good numbers “change the face of the campaign”.

    Ahem.

    Right.

    Those numbers, even the 10%, were GROSSLY exaggerated, skewed to make them look twice as good.

    The reality is that despite some mildly encouraging “numbers”:

    a. the number of people “no longer in the market place” are at or near the very highest since like the Depression.

    b. “good jobs” (pay you can live on, with REAL benefits) are still very hard to come by. Even “burger-flipping” can be hard to come by in some areas, and you can only “live on it” if you are staying in your parent’s basement.

    c. Obama’s recent talk of bringing jobs (especially manufacturing) to the US are vastly overstated. NYT a couple of days ago said economists were thinking that these trends are a loooong way off from being anything more than window dressing for Obama to campaign on.

    d. home building and real estate sectors are still stuck in the mud, for some time.

    e. We’re going to saved by “service jobs”, especially in the ever-growing health care sector, right?? Think again. Obamacare has lead to a reverse in that trend.

    f. Due to strain on local and state governments, there is a steady, unending shedding of long-term secure jobs. And those that are still left have to contend with reduced hours, reduced wages, and/or reduced benefits.

    So I know we’re going to hear the endless “optimism” and “rebound”, but just look the fuck around you, and you know it’s not really happening.

  392. Here is a painting I found just lately. It is absolutely gorgeous and speaks to me of the times we are living in/ or perhaps the times our grandchildren will be living in.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninth_Wave

    It is called “The Ninth Wave” by Ivan Aivazovsky

    [wikipedia: It depicts a sea after a night storm and people facing death attempting to save themselves by clinging to debris from a wrecked ship. The painting has warm tones in which the sea appears to be not so menacing and giving a chance for the people to survive.

    This painting is sometimes called “the most beautiful painting in Russia”

    Both English and Russian titles refer to the nautical tradition that waves grow larger and larger in a series up to the largest wave, the ninth (or tenth) wave, at which point the series starts again.]

  393. Betty, Ron Paul and his wife have become friends with Mitt and his wife…since the 2008 election. They hang out, they talk…so they have some level of respect for each other.
    Also, I have seen Paul tell his supporters, we may not win the election, but we are nipping at the heels of the front runners and people are getting our message on the Constitution, Federal Reserve and our liberty. He also says that if they stay in the race and do well, it may help them really get their message out at the convention and make the other candidates pull these issues into their campaign.
    Paul is a very intelligent man and he is aware that his chances of winning over the prefered GOP candidates is VERY, VERY slim.
    He is pulling away the youth vote from Barry, centrist Dems, Independents, military votes and that has a value as a candidate.
    He is earning a place at the convention with all of the sipporters that believe in his messages and track record.
    Don’t take me wrong, Paul would love to win the primary, but he knows by his experience in the Congress that he does not follow the party line, he follows the Constitution.

    I gotta admit, he has made me think more of these issues and our rights since we have a fraud that is above the law in all our court. We have a mini King, not a President.

  394. Shadowfax
    February 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    Betty, Ron Paul and his wife have become friends with Mitt and his wife…since the 2008 election. They hang out, they talk…so they have some level of respect for each other.
    Also, I have seen Paul tell his supporters, we may not win the election, but we are nipping at the heels of the front runners and people are getting our message on the Constitution, Federal Reserve and our liberty. He also says that if they stay in the race and do well, it may help them really get their message out at the convention and make the other candidates pull these issues into their campaign.
    Paul is a very intelligent man and he is aware that his chances of winning over the prefered GOP candidates is VERY, VERY slim.
    He is pulling away the youth vote from Barry, centrist Dems, Independents, military votes and that has a value as a candidate.
    He is earning a place at the convention with all of the sipporters that believe in his messages and track record.
    Don’t take me wrong, Paul would love to win the primary, but he knows by his experience in the Congress that he does not follow the party line, he follows the Constitution.

    I gotta admit, he has made me think more of these issues and our rights since we have a fraud that is above the law in all our court. We have a mini King, not a President.
    ****************************************

    good points…i would add that sometimes listening to Ron Paul i feel like I am actually learning something about the lesser known and more complicated world of finance…Paul does have great value not only in shaping the dialogue but as you say…assisting in taking the disappointed youth from O…

    …probably his biggest plus is that he is unscripted and isn’t afraid to say what he really thinks, he does not tip toe around issues and gloss over them…whether any of us agree with him or not…his foreign policy is what keeps him in the position he is…

  395. personally i think this Romney ‘not eligible to run for Pres story a non starter’…no one is discussing it and i highly doubt the dims would go there…it would only open them up to their own problems with O…

    I haven’t even heard G go there…and if anyone would it would be him…

  396. S
    One of the questions I ask myself is how much money does America have to pay to help other countries when we can’t afford to take care of our own people?

    We wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now if we didn’t ‘nation build’ in two worthless wars, didn’t fiancially support Pakistan who was hiding Bin Laden….on and on.

    I understand people wanting to protect our allies, especially Israel ( I have dear friends there too that live part time in the US) …but if America doesn’t help it’s own people first, how can we afford to go forward in the future and help anyone if we are BROKE?

    I don’t have the answer but so far, we are doing a crappy job of taking care of our country.

  397. Apparent inside knowledge, as we thought.

    WSJ’s Steve Moore just said Romney’s veep short list: 1. Christie, 2. Rubio, 3. Ryan

  398. Moon

    As much as I like Rubio because he seem authentic, Christy would be great…his snippy, outspoken manner would be a plus for Mitt.

    I have a feeling the top two are also on Newt’s short list?

  399. Betty that is an amazing painting I have seen many times. It reminds me of Hillary’s army fighting their way to political sanity.

  400. I understand people wanting to protect our allies, especially Israel ( I have dear friends there too that live part time in the US) …but if America doesn’t help it’s own people first, how can we afford to go forward in the future and help anyone if we are BROKE?

    =====================

    Well, we could do both at once. Give the Israelis a safe home of even MORE acerage in Nevada or Kansas, and let them use their talents here to develop the technology, medicine, etc that we lack.

  401. I have a question, If Mitt’s dad was born in Mexico…would that make Mitt the first half Hispanic, and and also the first Mormon President?

    Don’t forget, Barry is only half black…but eveyone sweeps that under the rug.

    When the Hell will we get our first woman?

    Hillary please don’t give up!!!!

  402. Lloyd Grove does a piece on NG – he is a sad figure really, his childhood explains alot of his personality…also I had no idea that Callista is 23 years younger than he…she was 26 and he 49 when they began their affair (while accusing Bill of his)

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/05/newt-gingrich-plots-his-comeback.html

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    Shadowfax
    February 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Shadowfax, truth be told, if our politicians would stop stealing our money and just filtering back to big donors…if we really, really attacked the waste and duplication and started honestly streamlining all the excess money that just goes into crony allie’s pockets…we could probably continue to have responsible foreign aide…however even with all the foreign aide we give out…it hardly gets to where it is supposed to go and instead once again ends up in corrupt pockets…

    …a mess doesn’t even begin to describe the waste and misallocation of our hard earned tax dollars and now trillions of borrowed money to sustain all of this continued theft and payoffs…

  403. also another bothersome thing for me re: NG is that two of his biggest supporters and allies are Dan Burton and Bill McCollum…two more figures that were very anti-Clinton back in the day…two more holier than thou finger pointers…

  404. WHOA, moononpluto!

    moononpluto
    February 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    And the even more devastating number is the 76% DISAPPROVAL from uncommitted voters!

    Where is JBSTONESFAN!

  405. Like your passion, rgb44hrc.

    “So I know we’re going to hear the endless “optimism” and “rebound”, but just look the fuck around you, and you know it’s not really happening.”

  406. Krauthammer thinks Israeli attack on Iran is certain.

    I do not blame them and I wish them all the success is the world. When one thinks about how BO has destroyed US-mideast relationships, insulted and dismissed this country’s best ally and paved the way for extreme Islamic fascist to come to power, I honestly think that should be grounds for impeachment.

    If Israel acts it will not only preserve itself but the rest of the world as well, at least for a little while longer.

    Last week in his Washington Post column, David Ignatius wrote that Israel was preparing to attack Iran to prevent it from being able to build a nuclear bomb.

    According to his Post opinion page colleague Charles Krauthammer, based on the source behind Ignatius’ claim it is likely an attack will occur.

    On this weekend’s broadcast of “Inside Washington,” Krauthammer explained his thought process.

    “I think it’s fairly certain the Israelis are going to attack or you would not have had this leak, deliberately coming this week from secretary of Defense through David Ignatius of The [Washington] Post saying that he thinks there is a high likelihood Israel is going to attack, and then he went ahead and specified when. He said three months, April, May or June. And you don’t say that unless there is obviously indications from the Israelis that they are going to do this even if they get and they are getting a signal from the United States not to do it.”

    Krauthammer doubted Israel was factoring what impact a strike against Iran might have on upcoming U.S. presidential election.

    “No, I think the calculation is what Ignatius reported as Panetta said: The Israelis think that the problem is that Iran is about to enter the zone of immunity. And that means the trigger is not the assumption that Iran now has the know-how to make a bomb. That is later down the road. What comes earlier is when Iran has put enough uranium in completely untouchable, protected sites, like the mountain outside of Qom where you cannot touch it, meaning that at that point, Iran has the wherewithal, the facilities, the material that it can build a bomb unmolested, and then it can never be attacked again. If Israel thinks it is approaching the point of immunity, it will attack.”

    Krauthammer reminded viewers that the real threat of escalation would be if the rogue state attempted to block the Strait of Hormuz.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/krauthammer-leak-indicates-israeli-attack-on-iran-certain/#ixzz1lRbRzQF2

  407. ooooh blowout….

    Latest numbers tallied by someone who knows: With just under 15% of precincts statewide…62% Mitt, 16% Newt 15% Paul, 7% Santorum.

    Ouch!

  408. ooooh blowout….

    Latest numbers tallied by someone who knows: With just under 15% of precincts statewide…62% Mitt, 16% Newt 15% Paul, 7% Santorum.

    Source: 9,000+ votes counted in Clark: Romney 60%, Gingrich 16%, Paul 16%, Santorum 7%. About 70 votes separate Paul, Gingrich.

    Added up all 16 precincts from my #NVcaucus site at Becker middle school: Romney 62% Newt 20% Paul 10 Santorum 6. Can u say landslide?

    Ouch!

  409. On the Five, Beckle was digging deep to try and find somthing good that his BO has done in the past three years to brag about, he said Obama hasn’t raised taxes one time!

    All the other folks around the table busted out laughing, “Sure they said, because the Republicans didn’t let him, not that he didn’t try to.” They said it was like praising a bank robber for not sealing because he got caught in the process.”

  410. apparently Newts campaign is now on life support seriously broke with money donations dropping like a stone in the last day.

  411. moononpluto
    February 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
    There is very serious talk that Newt is bowing out tonight.

    Wow!

  412. Rest assured if Gingrich bows out; a deal has been made.

    Remember, this is a battle of the Titans: Bush vs Soros.

    Romney is going to need all the help he can get from Republicans to defeat Obama-

  413. meanwhile- back to reality:
    ______________

    The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can’t Say About The Obama Administration

    The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

    The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

    All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church “cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law.”

    Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-03/politics/31020168_1_military-chaplains-chaplains-sent-civil-disobedience#ixzz1lS0lDgJX
    _____________

    You can read Catholics, as Christians and Jews as well-

  414. moononpluto
    February 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    There is very serious talk that Newt is bowing out tonight.

    Do you have a link?

  415. I dont know why they bother with this caucus crap, i prefer primary all the way instead of having to hang around all day arguing with morons.

  416. As Obama Crows, Real Story Is 10.5 Mil Jobs Deficit

    Jobs: Of course it’s good news that 243,000 new jobs were created in January, shaving the unemployment rate to 8.3%. But thanks to massive policy errors by the White House, we’re still way below where we should be.

    President Obama, speaking in Arlington, Va., immediately took credit for the bullish report, crowing that “altogether, we’ve added 3.7 million new jobs over the last 23 months.”

    The president went on to say: “We can’t go back to the policies that led to the recession. And we can’t let Washington stand in the way of our recovery.”

    “Our” recovery? And “We can’t go back to the policies that led to the recession”? The cause of the recession was, in fact, housing policies put in place and aggressively supported by Democrats in Congress, including former Sen. Barack Obama.

    How soon we forget. These were the policies that led to the housing meltdown, the financial crisis and, ultimately, the deep recession we’re still climbing out of.

    Yet Obama’s “blame Bush” theme will be the Democrats’ strategy for the 2012 campaign. So get used to it.

    Truth is, by now we should have created millions more jobs than we have. But Obama’s $836 billion stimulus, his botched industry bailouts, his failed “green” energy policies, his regulatory siege on business, and his disastrous attacks on Wall Street and entrepreneurs have made this the worst recovery in history.

    The recovery began in June 2009, just months after Obama took office and before his stimulus took effect.

    According to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, the economy is just 0.7% above its previous high. Usually at this point in an expansion, it’s 13.5% above the last peak. In other words, thanks to Obama’s policies, we’re missing about $1.8 trillion in GDP — or roughly $5,760 for every man, woman and child.

    Far worse for most Americans is the jobs depression that has accompanied Obamanomics. As the chart shows, we’ve suffered a jobs implosion greater than any since World War II.

    Obama likes to blame his predecessor for this. And true enough, 4.4 million jobs disappeared during the 2007-08 panic. But after Obama took office, an additional 4.3 million jobs disappeared. So when Obama says “we’ve added 3.7 million new jobs,” he’s not giving you the full story.

    We are still 5.6 million jobs below where we were at the peak in 2007. Add to that the 4.9 million new jobs that would have had to be created just to soak up new entrants into the workforce, and all told we have a jobs deficit of 10.5 million.

    As for the 8.3% jobless rate, remember this: The month he entered office, Obama’s advisers vowed unemployment would remain below 8% if we passed his stimulus. Congress did as he asked, and unemployment promptly surged above 10%.

    The 8.3% number is a mirage. In fact, unemployment rate is declining in large part because millions of people have given up hope and left the workforce. Last month alone, they totaled 1.2 million.

    Since Obama took office, 4.7 million people have stopped looking for work. Add them in, and the real unemployment rate suddenly doesn’t look so good: 11%.

    And when you add up the 12.7 million unemployed, the 4.7 million no longer looking for work and the 10.5 million who can’t find full-time positions, that’s 28 million people — for a jobless rate of 17%.

    Hardly something to crow about.

    http://news.investors.com/Article.aspx?id=600090&ibdbot=1

  417. Agreed. BO is waging a class war, a religious war, a redistributionist war and a war on this country – on many levels.

    Absolutely disgusting that so-called Catholic Pelosi agrees with the turd in chief. Despicable.

    And I am not saying what my position is on woman’s rights other than to say they don’t agree with the Catholic Church. However just as I want the freedom to practice my belief system (as long as they cause no harm to others) I also want those of the Catholic Church protected.

  418. “i prefer primary all the way instead of having to hang around all day arguing with morons.”

    Water spurt.

  419. Federal law doesn’t dictate how states choose their delegates, so individual states decide what system to use. Most states use the primary system — where voters statewide simply cast a vote for the candidate they support — but some use the older caucus system.

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    Caucuses have had a role in the nominating process going back to the early nineteeth century. In the early days, however, party caucuses were meetings of party leaders closed to the general public. In the 1820s, then-presidential candidate Andrew Jackson “and other reformers railed against what was called the ‘King Caucus,’ in which a caucus of members of Congress essentially chose the political party nominees,” says Spitzer. Even after the advent of the modern political convention in the 1830s, caucuses used to be “pretty much limited to people who were members of party organizations, insiders who were usually the only ones who even knew about them,” says Abramowitz.

    The majority of states chose their delegates in caucuses prior to 1972. After the 1968 election, in which Republican Richard Nixon beat Democratic nominee Hubert Humphrey for the presidency, the Democratic Party created the McGovern-Fraser Commission, which recommended reforms to make the process “more open to rank-and-file participation,” says Abramowitz. To comply with those recommendations, the Democratic Party in many states switched from a caucus to a primary election. The Republican Party in many states followed suit when changes were made in state legislatures around the country, says DePaul’s Steger, and primaries became the dominant means of selecting delegates.
    http://www.cfr.org/united-states/caucus-system-us-presidential-nominating-process/p15640#p4

    Don’t know if cfr is an “approved” source.

    😉

  420. i mean that in the best possible way about the 2008 caucuses, that really was arguing all day with Obama morons. Put you off for life that would.

  421. I read that MR’s debate coach is being thrown under the bus. I don’
    t get it. If that’s the guy who (apparently_ helped MR in his Florida debates where he performed significantly better than previously than why get rid of him?

    That is just plain dumb.

  422. Shadowfax
    February 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
    On the Five, Beckle was digging deep to try and find somthing good that his BO has done in the past three years to brag about, he said Obama hasn’t raised taxes one time!

    All the other folks around the table busted out laughing, “Sure they said, because the Republicans didn’t let him, not that he didn’t try to.” They said it was like praising a bank robber for not sealing because he got caught in the process.”
    *****************************

    this is another lie on the part of the dims…has anyone done their taxes yet?

    very quietly they screwed the middle class again…certain credits that singles and couples got “expired” and are gone…and many deductions have be reduced and are barely hanging on…

    …what is left of our once great democratic party has become useless…they talk a good game and fold…

  423. BASIL99
    February 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
    I read that MR’s debate coach is being thrown under the bus. I don’
    t get it. If that’s the guy who (apparently_ helped MR in his Florida debates where he performed significantly better than previously than why get rid of him?

    That is just plain dumb
    **************************************************

    seems there has been some leaking going on with the romney team and the press…who is getting credit for what, bla, bla…

    someone better clue them in to not get too full of themselves…keep coaching their candidate and making him a bit more ‘warm and fuzzy’ and leave their egos under control and invisible…for their own good…

    ****************************

    sounds like a lot of the speculation about G dropping out is rising from this press conference he scheduled tonight…there is also talk that Ron Paul could edge him out for second place tonight in Nevada…that would probably be the final nail…

  424. y they don’t agree with the Catholic Church. However just as I want the freedom to practice my belief system (as long as they cause no harm to others) I also want those of the Catholic Church protected.

    =======================

    Protected from what? No one is requiring them to practice contraception themselves. The current flap is about HHS requiring health insurance policies to cover contraceptives (along with Viagra!).

    This won’t even cost the anti-contraception people extra in premiums. If contraceptives aren’t covered, then the insurance companies will end up spending more money to pay for the pregnancy care and the unwanted babies, and that cost will be passed on to everyone, including the anti-contraception people, in higher premiums overall.

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