710 thoughts on “Florida Republican Debate #2

  1. We were so busy writing about Donna Brazille, Hillary Clinton’s “Bazinga” moment at the SOTU, and the Obama memos we forgot tonight is another debate.

  2. The intros came first. Romney focused on his long time wife and his children. Newt talking about Florida as the home of an aircraft carrier.

    Audience member/Wolf: Immigration, Romney’s self-deportation?

    Santorum: I agree with Romney. We are a nation of immigrants. My grandfather was an immigrant. People who come to this country illegally break American law from the outset. Likely illegal immigrants steal social security numbers to get work too. I am for illegal immigration but more for the Rule of Law. Immigrants bring vitality.

    Gingrich: Control the border first. Fix legal immigration and the visa system. A guest worker program run by a private company. Self-deportation might occur for single immigrants without ties. But grandfathers and grandmothers will not self-deport. My selective service style board is the way to go.

    Romney: The concept of self-deportation is that for with e-verify and other systems illegal immigrants could not find work and would leave. We will not hunt down 11 million illegals. Many immigrants want to come here legally. Let’s make legal immigration work and stop illegal immigration.

    Paul: It is a much bigger problem. In a strong economy we usually look for and need workers. We worry too much about the Pakistan border. We should worry about our border and use financing here.

    Gingrich: We as a nation are not going to go into a sanctuary church to remove grandparents. I will be tough but I will also be realistic. I have passed legislation that works. We need realistic legislation. Romney is the most anti-immigrant candidate for president.

    Romney: That is repulsive. Senator Rubio has called you out on this. Differences of opinion does not mean you should you highly charged epithets.

    Gingrich: What would you call someone who wants to self-deport grandparents. What language should we use?

    Romney: I’m not going to find grandmothers to deport. That’s your rhetoric. I am pro-immigrant but I want them to come legally.

    Gingrich: You said my proposal was a magnet. Now you support it. I want to allow grandparents to be here legally but without citizenship.

    Romney: Our problem is not 11 million grandmothers. Our problem is jobs that Americans and legal immigrants would like to have. Yes to legal immigration. Stop illegal immigration.

    Wolf: Your ad said Gingrich said Spanish is the language of the ghetto.

    Romney: I didn’t see that ad.

    Gingrich: No one should be in a linguistic situation that makes him unprepared.

    Romney: I doubt that is our ad but I will look into it. I think English should be our official language. As governor I was for English immersion.

  3. Lopez/Rodriguez: Support for democratic Spanish speaking states?

    Paul: Free trade. With Cuba also. But we have no obligation to impose governments in south or central America. We should not force ourselves on others. Friendship and trade is the way to go – and with Cuba.

    Santorum: We have treated Honduras which threw out a dictator badly. We did not support the people. Obama sided with Chavez and Castro against the people of Honduras. Obama sides with the leftists. Obama dies not side with our friends in Columbia. Iran in Venezuela is a threat and we need a president that cares. I will visit frequently.

    Paul: Standing up for nations usually means sending money and imposing our will. Stop being the bully. Where do you get the troops and the money.

    Santorum: You didn’t listen to my answer. I said build strong relationships not force.

    Wolf: The ad we talked about earlier is from you. You paid for it.

    Romney: Did you Newt, say what we say?

    Gingrich: It’s taken out of context.

  4. Wolf: How to phase out Fannie and Freddie?

    Romney: Gingrich worked for Freddie Mac. We needed a whistleblower not a horn tooter. Fannie and Freddie are a trouble. They give mortgages to people who can’t afford them. In Florida real unemployment is at 18%.

    Gingrich: Florida is very hard hit on foreclosures. Romney has been attacking me even though I specifically could not lobby. Romney though owned shares in Freddie Mac. Romney should tell us how much of an investment he has in companies that foreclosed on people.

    Romney: My investments are in blind trusts. The mutual funds owned the Freddie investments. You too have investments in Freddie Mac. The Speaker spoke for Freddie. He was clearly promoting Freddie Mac.

    Gingrich: He wasn’t aware of his investments or his ad. Comparing his investments to mine is like comparing an elephant to a mouse. I only spoke to the Republicans in Congress not to give Freddie or Fannie money. Indeed I suggested they be broken up.

    Wolf: She they give back the money?

    Paul: Doesn’t interest me. Freddie and Fannie should have been sold and that’s how they could be cleansed. These Community Investment act loans were affirmative action loans. It was assumed they would always be protected.

    Santorum: I tried to reform Freddie and Fannie. Put a limit and keep reducing that limit until Fannie and Freddie no longer exist. Romney v. Newt is uninteresting. Leave that alone and focus on the issues.

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  5. I’ve only watched bits and pieces of these debates but don’t recall Romney being that fired up before as with that back and forth with Ginrich…

    Loved that Santorum finally told them to get to the real issues…

  6. Wolf: Transparency.

    Gingrich: I’m with him. This is a nonsense question.

    Wolf: You made this an issue about Romney and Cayman islands. You made this an issue.

    Romney: Would it be nice for people to not make accusations they can’t defend here?

    Gingrich: Alright then. Isn’t what I said true.

    Romney: Blind trust Newt. Innuendo. There is nothing wrong with what I have done. The free enterprise system is ok by me. I’ve made charitable contributions and I have created jobs. Republicans should not be against free enterprise.

    Gingrich: It would be nice for you to have the same standard for others that you want for yourself.

    Wolf: Why is the money he made wrong? Under your tax plan he would pay zero?

    Gingrich: He would pay about the same. Reduce everyone’s taxes to his level, 15%. Do not raise taxes. My goal is to shrink the government to meet the revenue.

    Santorum: The people what have wealth need to invest. That’s why we have lower taxes for investments. Two rates. My bottom rate is 10%. You don’t need to get to zero to encourage investments. Under Newt Romney would not pay taxes. Lower rates are better than zero.

    Paul: Reagan taxed too much. Get rid of the 16th Amendment. Stop wars to get this done. I sympathize with those who talk about the 99 versus the 1. Middle class is shrinking but Wall Street is doing well while getting the bailouts. The welfare system helps the wealthy. Stop the transfer of wealth to the wealthy class.

    Wolf: You are old. Release medical records?

    Paul: It’s about 1 page if that long. I’ll challenge these gentlemen to a 25 mile run in the heat of Texas. There are laws against age discrimination so don’t push this too much. 🙂

    Wolf: Medical records?

    Romney: Yes.

    Gingrich: Yes. Paul is in great shape.

  7. Romney

    Saying he hasn’t seen the ad mentioning “The Ghetto” comment..Romney caught in a Lie-

    Bitzer reviews the ad saying the ad claims this ad approved by Romney… Romney silent!

  8. Romney is doing great tonight. The audience is with him Unfortunately. Wolfspritzer is officiating over another non-substantive issue format.

    Who the F*** cares about space travel at this point in the nation’s crisis. What about Fast and furious, solyndra, the soon to be %17 trillion debt, almost DOUBLE what it was when Bo took over.

    This is just another BS couple of hours. I have said it before and I’ll say it again – the repubs should NOT agree to any more leftie-CNN LSM debates.

    I’m with Paul on this one. I don’t think we should go to the moon.

    MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND SOME POLITICIANS THERE! Throw in a couple of dozen CNN, MSNBC, ABC and NBC moderators and I might be willing to actually vote for Paul.

    Now Spritzer asking whether residents of the moon could become US citizens I mean – WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. Romney really needs a haircut unless his hair is always that goofy..it’s distracting. Too much gel build up from all the televised debates this week?

  10. I think Romney’s doing pretty good today. I’m glad Wolf is doing this debate, John King is not a moderator type.

    I’m so tired of all these debated. Is it November yet? Lets kick out Barry now. Get the country moving again.

  11. Basil responding to your comment in the last thread:
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    BASIL99
    January 26th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    As far as mega-millionaires, what difference does that make? There are plenty on this forum who were all in favor of Trump – including me – and he’s practically a billionaire.

    Newt, I’m quite sure, is also a millionaire. We are NOT the 99 percenters here so why begrudge anyone their fortune, especially if they earned it? Heck, I have no doubt I am among the most financially modest on this blog but I have no problem with other people’s wealth.

    To disqualify a candidate because of wealth would disqualify a lot of people.
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    The fact is a random adjective said in passing describing Romney as a mega millionaire has nothing to do with disqualifying him as a candidate.

    But now that you mention it:

    Romney is part of the 1 % we are against- the same elitists who are trying to take over this country.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSe0qm10XTY

    Obama WORKS for the 1%; Romney IS the 1%

  12. AmericanGal,

    Just wasting time and trying to make the candidates look frivolous. This is deliberate. That’s why they should CANCEL any future debates with this crew.

    Let interested parties tune into FOX. At least Brett Baier has no gotcha agenda.

  13. Audience: Manned space program? Base on the moon?

    Romney: The base is too expensive. I would get experts to make sure space translates to commercial purposes. Corporate America should be a partner in our space program. I believe in a manned space program. It would be too expensive to build a base.

    Gingrich: NASA in its current form is not the best way to run the space program. My speech from yesterday is on C-SPAN. Use prizes and incentives to grow the space program. Lindbergh flew to Paris for a $25,000 prize.

    Santorum: America is a frontier nation. Space is the next frontier. The space program is important. Space defense is important. But we have a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit. It’s not responsible to propose more programs.

    Paul: We should not go to the moon, but send some politicians instead. I would only vote for national space defense programs. I don’t like government/business projects. We don’t need a bigger newer program. Health care is a bigger priority.

    Wolf: A lunar colony? Statehood?

    Gingrich: I was appealing to Santorum’s grandiose ideas. JFK inspired America. I agree with Paul. My program would be 90% private sector. I want more launches. We got to the moon first. I’m not for national decline.

    Romney: I spent 25 years in business. If someone came to be to spend billions to build a moon base I would fire them. Gingrich goes from state to state promising them what they want to hear. Billions, hundreds of billions to make people happy. That’s what got us into trouble.

    Gingrich: We need to learn about the states and learn what would be good for them. My projects are all about things that must be done. As Speaker I set priorities so we balanced the budget and spent in good projects.

    Paul: You’ve stretched the truth. The debt grew.

    Gingrich: I propose to take Social Security as a separate budget.

    Santorum: Obama ignored the downgrade of the United States during his SOTU speech. Proposing big new ideas is not the way to bring down the deficit. We need leaders who will be honest with the people.

  14. Sorry Basil–Romneys hair looks like it’s sticking straight out of his head–shaggy..

    On the other point–it sure looks like the audience is with Romney–lots of booing of Newt.

    I am for anyone who will beat Obama– I like Romney more than Newt but wish he could be feisty like him…

  15. I agree with you Basil. I support the space program, but it has to serve a national defense purpose, that’s why JFK started it in the first place.

  16. Off topic. I just heard on my radio that Senator Mark Kirk of Illinois is expected to survive his recent stroke, and regain his speaking ability, but he may be paralyzed on his left side. I feel bad for him since he is a young guy. It makes me wonder if he will leave his seat in the Senate, the seat that Obama previously occupied.

    I was trying to hear this debate on radio, but I can’t find a station covering it.

  17. The elitists are the ones, ie Soros etc.. who are trying to take over this country. If you think for one minute we should elect an elitist rather than someone for the working man… then (Bill )and Hillary are not people you think can do a better job running this country.

  18. Audience: I’m unemployed. How will you help?

    Paul: This is a consequence of government getting involved in health care. Costs are high because so much money has been pumped into medicine. You don’t get better care. You’re suffering from way too much government.

    Gingrich: Those are 2 different problems. Grow the economy so she could get a job. Repeal Obamacare. We need reform of health care insurance system so she could buy her own competitive insurance plan.

    Romney: Spot on. Most people have employer provided insurance. They get tax breaks. Individuals should get their own insurance and get tax breaks like businesses get. Obama has failed the American people. Obama at SOTU said the same things he’s said before. I’ll get you back to work.

    Santorum: Health savings accounts. Gingrich and Romney are now saying things they never said before. Romney and Gingrich wanted mandates for decades.

    Gingrich: Rick is lumping us together inaccurately. I wrote 2 books that advocate patient power.

    Romney: We worked out our system with labor and constituents. The people of the state like it. It is not Obamacare. Obamacare is bad medicine. Each state should craft it’s own system.

    Santorum: Romney says that top down medicine works and he supports it. How can you go up against Obama with that message?

    Romney: I did not say that. Nothing changed for 92% in my state. For 8% they could get their own insurance. No government plan. Those without insurance get free care and are free riders.

    Santorum: Does everyone in Massachusetts have to buy health care?

    Romney: Yes, because they should not be free riders.

    Santorum: In Massachusetts people rather pay the fine than the high cost of insurance.

    Romney: 98% of the people have insurance. There are less free riders. You don’t like the plan I know. Obamacare raises taxes and cuts half a trillion from Medicare. In debating Obama I will be able to point out that what he did was wrong.

    Santorum: What you said is wrong. You have a mandate.

    Paul: They are all wrong. This is a typical result of what happens when government gets involved. When I started practice there was no Medicare/Medicaid.

    Gingrich: We should rethink health care.

    Korn: Hispanic leaders in cabinet?

    Santorum: Rubio.

    Gingrich: Susanna Martinez, Ros-Leiten. Rubio should be in another more important job.

    Romney: Sandoval, Martinez, Rubio, Guttierez, etc.

    Paul: My litmus test would be someone who understands the monetary system. Latino community is for non-intervention foreign policy.

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  19. The main reason I support Gingrich over Romney is his fight. I do not really care that Romney is worth about $250 million. I have to wonder, though, if someone of his wealth is in tune with the vast number of Americans who are barely making it, if at all. Does it make him a bit out of touch? I honestly don’t know.

  20. Oh Jeezus!

    Stay tuned. Why would your wife be the best first lady.

    ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’m done. I’m gonna see if there’s a repeat of storage wars somewhere.

    Night all.

  21. Mrs.Smith

    people like Soros want to do away with American soverignity, lessen it, that is a globalist view. There are many other rich people in this country, they are not globalists, private equity firms like Bain & Co. helped in capital formation to create and grow Sports Authority, which in then sprouted lots of smaller industries where small businesspeople can sell their products.

    This 1% vs 99% is pure nonsense. Just because someone is very rich doesn’t mean they are evil or they broke the law. An elitist is some who thinks they are better than you, being elite, the very best, in your field, that is an admirable attribute, and just because that person’s work, business is elite doesn’t mean he’s not for the working man, when in fact that person had to be a working man to become elite in his/her field in the first place.

  22. Does it make him a bit out of touch?

    Thehy are all out of touch – at least anyone who is currently running for the office.

  23. oh my, I didn’t know Mitten’s wife has MS and breast cancer.

    Any 4 would be better first ladies than who’s there now. I always thought Hillary was a wonderful first lady, laura bush as well. Its always good have a first lady that is actually proud to be an American and be an advocate for America and Americans, not for herself.

  24. Just got my income tax done….I paid 14%…just like the billionaire Romney did…how fair is that???

    I hope the goodgrinch gets the nomination….mittens is just to pretty, petty, and clean cut to be the Prez! He reminds me of a bad used car salesman!

  25. Well she’s lucky she didn’t marry Gingrich, he’d of dumped for a younger, healthier chick….did you all know Newt was born in 1942 and his wife was born in 1966…..I wonder how old his old wives are now???

    Calista looks like the ice queen, just like McCain’s wife did…LOL!

  26. Romney doesn’t have a job per se. His income is from his investments, and I believed taxed at the capital gains rate which is entirely fair. After all, he’s already paid the higher income tax rate on the money that he made while working which allowed him to invest whatever extra he didn’t require for his living expenses. He’s paid taxes twice in a sense. You can’t compare the tax rate on capital gains with the tax rate on income. It’s apples and oranges.

  27. Wolf: Wife as first lady?

    Paul: Wife for 53 years. Wrote a cook book.

    Romney: Wife is a mom. Breast cancer and multiple sclerosis and beat them both. Advocates marriage first.

    Gingrich: All the wives would be excellent. Callista brings artistic focus, is a pianist, french horn player, music education. Wrote children’s book. Believes in American exceptionalism.

    Santorum: She’s my hero. Neo-natal intensive care nurse. Now she is a stay at home mom. 8 children. Child with disability. Love for special kids. Wrote about our dead son book called “Letters to Gabriel.” Wrote book on manners.

    Wolf: Reagan mantle?

    Romney: I was in school when Reagan was president. I then went into business not politics. I helped get Utah Olympics back on track. I then ran for governor and won. I became more conservative and how important it is to lower taxes.

    Gingrich: Romney’s attack machine is organizing the attacks on me regarding Reagan. Nancy Reagan said Ronnie passed the torch to me. Michael Reagan supports me. Romney was against Romney. He’s now more mature and likes Reagan more.

    Romney: I’ve never voted for a Democrats when there is a Republican on the ballot. I voted against Bill Clinton (and for Tsongas).

    Audience: My parents brought me from Cuba. Obama trades with Cuba. What would you do?

    Santorum: America should be with the Cuban people not Chavez and Castro.

    Paul: Not to talk to them helps Castro and hurts the people. Sanctions are well intended but help the dictator and hurt the people. The Cold War is over. Americans do not see a jihadist under the bed every night.

    Romney: Obama has ignored Latin America. We need economic initiatives to build trade. Obama has reached out to the world’s worst actors. Putin, Ahmadinejad. I will use every resource to make sure that when Castro dies we promote freedom.

    Gingrich: I was proud as Speaker to isolate the Castro regime. Obama is worried about the Arab Spring but does not look South to a Cuban Spring. Transition to freedom. Use military psychologically to bring freedom.

    Audience: Peace to Palestine and Israel?

    Romney: The reason there is no peace is that the Palestinian leadership, like Hamas, hate Israel. There is a belief that the Jews should not have a state. The Israelis want a two state solution but not the Palestinians. We should not have an inch of difference between us and Israel. Obama criticized Israel at the U.N. Obama threw Israel under the bus on the border questions. I will stand with our friend Israel.

    Gingrich: There were 11 rockets fired into Israel in November. Romney is right. Hamas says not a single Jew will survive. Palestinians can have a state anytime they want by recognizing Israel. Obama undermines the Israelis. As president I will move our embassy to Jerusalem.

    Audience: Puerto Ricans as second class citizens. Statehood? Trade between Florida and Puerto Rico.

    Santorum: I worked on Medicare in Puerto Rico and a whole host of issues. I believe in self-determination. I don’t take a position on statehood/commonwealth. We need to make sure there are pro growth supply side economics to help Puerto Rico.

    Audience: Your religious beliefs and being president?

    Paul: What would matter is my oath of office and my promises to the people.

    Santorum: I would seek the advice of providence. The founders spoke of The Creator.

    Gingrich: Anyone who is president faces enormous questions and should seek god to help answer them. Beliefs should be part of your life. There is a war against religion and particularly Christianity. We need leadership that says enough.

    Santorum: The foundational documents mention God. The constitution is there to protect god given rights. It’s not state given rights.

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  28. “Calista looks like the ice queen, just like McCain’s wife did…LOL!”
    But Mrs. McCain did not look a plastic ice queen.

    So what’s wrong with pretty and clean cut?

  29. “I like many of Ron Paul’s answers”

    Me too. Other than his isolationist views, many of the other ones, he makes a lot of sense and has been very consistent over the years.

  30. Wolf: Most likely to beat Obama?

    Paul: I do very well against Obama in polls. My constitutional message works with many audiences. My positions undermine Obama totally. I am about peace and prosperity.

    Romney: Americans realize this is an important time. The issue is a European style welfare state or to get America back on track. Let the private sector reemerge. Don’t just change chairs in Washington. You need an outsider. I worked in business and government. I’ll beat him with my experience.

    Gingrich: I participated in the 2 largest Republican sweeps in our lifetimes. What we need this fall is a big choice election. I am running for my grandchildren. The choice we make in 2012 is important. Do you want freedom or dependence? A big election with historic choices and we will beat Obama. A paycheck not food stamps. No appeasement of our enemies.

    Santorum: This is a big election. What is America going to be. Bottom up or top down. Romney talks about the private sector but he sides with government. The swing vote in this election, the blue color workers know Obama has left them behind. The centerpiece of my campaign is blue collar workers.

    IT’S OVER.

  31. the reason the repub ‘elites’/establishment are rallying around R is because they know G cannot win in the national election…many indep will not VOTE for him, many moderate republicans will stay home(I know some staunch moderate repubs and they flat out will not vote for G)

    …and they are scared to death that G will take down the rest of the party with him…the other repubs running on the ticket, from top to bottom…and bec they have worked with him, they know how erratic (or ‘psycho’, as an adjective, not being emotional) and polarizing he can be and that he is a proven LIAR…he has the highest negatives of everyone…yeah, he can fight and he can also implode and blow it for them…(just recall all the comic images of him after Bill schooled him) they are afraid of a Goldwater blowout because their side is using anger and “emotion” to make their choice with G

    …the ‘elites’ also know that the MSM will spin for O…and we will be deluged with scandal stories about NG…his negatives will go higher and he will not beat O…it will be drip, drip, drip of G scandals that will make all the headlines and the story will become G, instead of the repub candidate running to beat O

    …and again, they know the media will spin for O…

    so if Plan A for Hillary to step in works, great…thank god and we all live happily ever after…

    …however if that does not happen we are stuck with NG who will not beat O…it won’t happen…and as crazy as it sounds, that is what Ann Coulter is saying and she is right about this one…

  32. Shadowfax
    January 26th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    Oh sweatervest…if you become president…I am leaving the US.
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    good one, it’s nice to have a laugh…

  33. Santorum came on really stron at the end.

    Romney did well – showed more passion –

    Newt was Newt – some brilliant rhetoric – not so many opportunities to turn the Newt-ray in his foes.

    Paul had some of the best one-liners of the night like when Spritzer asked what he would say if Raul Castro called him.

    Paul said – I’d asked what he called about.

    He has a sly dry, droll sense of humor.

  34. How does a man like Dick Morris even have a job after what he was caught doing?

    Newt I always get the sense is one temper tantrum from an implosion, Mittens seemed more stable, I think he might be a better candidate for the general election.

  35. tim
    January 26th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
    How does a man like Dick Morris even have a job after what he was caught doing?

    Newt I always get the sense is one temper tantrum from an implosion, Mittens seemed more stable, I think he might be a better candidate for the general election.
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    I completely agree with you…

  36. Nah, I actually like Cindy McCain….they just look alike in many ways….

    There’s nothing wrong with clean….we have a clean one now! I’d just like to have a regular, average looking individual that is NOT owned, NOT a puppet, NOT one that is “made for TV”. One like Hillary, wrinkles, bad hair and all…..

  37. want to go on the record to say…I love that Jan Brewer…caught her on the clips and she just smiled away and said she was not backing down from what she wrote about O…as if anyone doubts how “thin-skinned” he is…she’s another fearless woman…

  38. Why does Saint Torem pronounce our as are. Found that really annoying.
    Not that it matters but didn’t his wife live with a man 30 years her senior who provided abortion services before she wed the sweater vest?

  39. Yes, indeed, Redeconn, I’ll take Hillary, wrinkles, bad hair and all (although Hillary is a VERY attractive lady) above ANYTHING I’ve seen this primary season or last.

    But I’m not opposed to anyone being pretty and clean cut. Actually I’ve never thought BO was pretty, cool and all that as some have. A person has to have something going on underneath and Obama is completely empty as well as a fraud clean to the bone.

  40. cnn and msnbc are very anti-romney…that says alot…they must be getting their talking points from the WH and Axelrod…

    brazile looks strange…did she have gastric-bypass?

  41. Southern Born…we are noticing the same thing…they are out to knock off R…no way they want him in the national election

  42. I tell you when I saw Hillary in Waco…she was drop-dead gorgeous…but the media always seems to get an angle that makes her look old, wrinkley and with bad hair and makeup….you just gotta wonder if they aren’t doctoring the photos….

    Don’t you all think its weird, no one has mentioned Gingrich’s age??? He’s five years older than Hillary and everyone seems to talk about her age….pretty disgusting if you ask me….but maybe its because the grinch has that young “trophy wife”….he fired all the old and sick ones…

    I still like the Grinch over Mittens though….why I’m not sure…LOL!

  43. We are NOT the 99 percenters here

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    Hm? The income level that would put you out of the 99% and into the 1% is $380,000-$400,000 per year. How many of us make over that?

  44. Sorry, but any woman that wears a gallon of hairspray and her hair wouldn’t budge in a catagory 6 tornado….has issues…unless it’s a wig and she has no hair…then I feel sorry for her.

  45. Trump is a little pist that Newt and Mitt are slinging so much mud at each other and not so much at Barry

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    That does seem kind of counter-productive. If Gingrich really has no chance at the nomination, why is Romney spending so much time and money against him?

  46. income level that would put you out of the 99% and into the 1% is $380,000-$400,000 per year. How many of us make over that?

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    Is that per year or in my lifetime?

    Not even in my dreams.

  47. Don’t you all think its weird, no one has mentioned Gingrich’s age??? He’s five years older than Hillary

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    I didn’t know that! So in 2016, she will just be catching up to the age he is now.

  48. $380,000-$400,000 per year. How many of us make over that?

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    Is that per year or in my lifetime?

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    Per year.

  49. NQ
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    Update: Ever notice that Mitt Romney is the only candidate who sings the national anthem, along with the performers? And — get this — Callista Gingrich, a music major who sings these days in her Washington, D.C. Catholic church, stood silent with a stern look, as if she was bored by the ritualistic singing of the anthem, which is cherished by Americans, no matter their political views.

  50. I ended up thinking most of this debate tonight was orchestrated for Romney. Why did Wolf reinterpret every question in a way that focused the debaters on each other and not the issue or Obama. He actually tried to cut Romney off when he mentioned Obama. But regardless of that, it seemed to me Blitzer went to Romney many times for an answer so that Romney could undermine Newt and Newt’s answer. And IMO that Palestinian man was a set up just for Romney to look good for the Jewish community in FLA. Wonder how much all that cost him?

  51. sorry,

    Newt likes to promote himself the second coming of Reagan these days…well, here he is telling Bush…not so much

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  52. This is my personal opinion….I don’t like what Gingrich did to Bill, but if Bill hadn’t done it..there would of been nothing to report…inotherwards Bill gave them the ammunition….

    Gingrich is smarter than all the rest of them, he’s volitile, and isn’t going to be anyone’s puppet…his own party is out to lynch him and put in the smooth talker, car salesman….does that remind you guys of anything….

    I guess that why I’d vote for Gingrich…he’s smart, strong willed, and opinionated….I don’t care about his trophy wife or all his prior sins….we need a smart person up there that is not on a ball and chain….

    If you get right down to it…our righteousness is like a filthy rag…so Newt is no better or no worse in the eyes of God….than we are!

  53. Romney kvetching about Newt’s work for Fannie and Freddie- what a laugh coming from the guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth!

    yeah, right- Mitt is going to challenge Obama about Solyndra.. They are two peas in a pod- the only difference is- they haven’t caught up with the Kenyan- yet.

    Don’t forget to click on the video- you’ll be amazed.
    ______________

    A few ‘Fun’ Facts about Dear old Mittens:

    Debating in Tampa, Florida in late January, while falsely characterizing Newt Gingrich’s income from his government consulting work, Mitt Romney denied that Bain did “any work with the government like Medicaid and Medicare”.

    Now we learn that Bain, under Romney’s “supervision”, purchased and ran the Damon Corporation, who pled guilty to Federal conspiracy charges as a result of tens of millions of dollars in systemic Medicare fraud committed under Romney’s and Bain’s control.

    Damon was fined over $119-million which was, at the time, the largest criminal healthcare fine in Massachusetts history and Mr. Romney’s participation was characterized in 1996 by Corporate Crime Reporter thusly:

    “As manager and board member of Damon Corp, Mitt Romney sits at the center of one of the top 15 corporate crimes of the 1990’s.” Watch the substantiated mini-documentary, BLOOD MONEY: MITT ROMNEY’S MEDICARE SCANDAL, to learn the truth about Mitt Romney.

    A trailer for Winning Our Future’s second film. Full video coming soon.

  54. Granted I missed the first 40 minutes of tonights debate, but tonight I came away thinking that Newt isn’t smarter then the othe guys up there except for sweatervest…who is still working on his first stroke.

    I do enjoy Newts attacking the media but I don’t agree with many of his policies.

    Anyone that goes after the media or corruption in Obama’s circle gets kudos from me, just like Sarah, Trump, Cristie and the others. All things being equal I agee most with Paul and Wilber…maybe I am just an old school Clinton Democrat that runs more to the center and Newt and sweaters are too far out there for me.

  55. Re: rodeconn
    January 26th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    I could not have said it better, confloyd.
    I can not tell you how many times when phonebanking and blogging for Hillary that I heard, “Our RIGHTEOUS candidate [ObaMAO]” from the under thirty section. The mother in me just had to tell one of them…..”Righteous, righteous, RIGHTEOUS candidates???? No such thing exists.

  56. Drudge

    Who won the debate tonight…vote so far

    Thank you for voting!
    GINGRICH  17.83%  (17,266 votes)
     
     
    PAUL  35.2%  (34,089 votes)
     
     
    ROMNEY  29.52%  (28,593 votes)
     
     
    SANTORUM  17.45%  (16,903 votes)
     
     
     
    Total Votes: 96,851

    ——
    I may be in the minority here but I am not alone…

  57. .I don’t like what Gingrich did to Bill, but if Bill hadn’t done it..there would of been nothing to report…inotherwards Bill gave them the ammunition….

    ======================

    Not true! They would have invented something else. They impeached Bill because of his policies. They drew up the articles of impeachment months before. If the scandal hadn’t come up, they would have invented some charge about campaign finance or something.

    If Gingrich is no worse in the eyes of God — then neither is Obama. Religious forgiveness is one thing — but wanting that kind of person in power is another thing.

  58. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-backed-electric-car-battery-company-files-for-bankruptcy-protection/2012/01/26/gIQAA5T3TQ_story.html

    Obama-backed car battery company files for bankruptcy protection

    Ener1, an electric car battery company that the Obama administration awarded a $118 million stimulus grant to expand its operations, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Thursday after being unable to repay pressing debts.

    The news comes one year after Vice President Biden visited the company’s new battery plant in Indiana to highlight its progress with federal funds.

    ………………….

    unexpected…not, bambis little friends go bust.

  59. Will the last endangered Democratic official in North Carolina please turn out the lights? Rep. Brad Miller (D) announced his retirement this morning. Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue, facing the likely prospect of an epic defeat this November, announced her decision not to run for a second term this afternoon. Later, politically vulnerable Rep. Mike McIntyre (D) opened the door to running for governor of the Tar Heel State. And a local news report tonight said Rep. Heath Shuler (D) is eyeing a bid for governor as well. A Shuler spokeswoman had no comment.

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/north_carolina_democratic_bench_keeps_shuffling-211869-1.html

  60. “They impeached Bill because of his policies.”
    _____________

    Stop with your invented pronouncements. BC and HC were persecuted because George Herbert Walker Bush lost his re-election bid to him. The persecution began when BC was governor of Arkansas and it became known he would seek the presidency.

    Read: The Hunting of the Presidency, by Conason and Lyons. It all in there.

  61. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-backed-electric-car-battery-company-files-for-bankruptcy-protection/2012/01/26/gIQAA5T3TQ_story.html
    Ener1 is the third company to seek bankruptcy protection among those the Energy Department backed as part of the president’s signature program to invest in clean energy. Solyndra, a California solar-panel maker, and Beacon Power,
    [….]
    In a September 2010 report, the White House featured subsidiary EnerDel as one of the “100 Recovery Act Projects that are Changing America.”

    ==================

    Three green companies, out of 100 or more that got grants? Wow, that’s one per year. 3% so far. No mention what the bankruptcy rate is on non-green companies.

  62. The persecution began when BC was governor of Arkansas and it became known he would seek the presidency.

    ==========================

    Which was long, long before Lewinsky or any testimony that could be labeled ‘perjury’. Which is my main point. Bill wasn’t impeached BECAUSE of ‘perjury’: the persecution and planned impeachment began long before.

    Do you think Bill’s policies as Governor and later was not part of their motivation for the whole persecution?

    Thanks for the link to that good reference: anyone who thinks Bill deserved it or brought it on himself by sexual conduct should read Conason.

  63. rodeconn
    January 26th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    This is my personal opinion….I don’t like what Gingrich did to Bill, but if Bill hadn’t done it..there would of been nothing to report…in otherwards Bill gave them the ammunition….
    __________

    Very close to accurate, confloyd- you can’t believe turndown. When She doesn’t know the answer, she invents facts to fit the scenario.

    He and Hillary survived every investigation they threw at them. They never found any wrong doing. Special Prosecutor Ken Starr incarcerated a business partner, Susan McDougal because she wouldn’t lie for him. A Lie incriminating BC. She spent 18 mos in prison dressed in an orange jump-suit for criminal contempt of court charges because she wouldn’t cooperate with Starr’s investigation.

    Their plan was they would be able to get Clinton with a sex charge before the 1996 election if she agreed to lie and say she had had an affair with Clinton. She denied ever having an affair with Clinton. Thats the Truth of the matter.. nothing to do with his administrative policies.

  64. I was reading Hillary’s comments about not continuing as SOS for a second term and I was struck by a couple things. I’m probably reading way too much into what she said because I want her to be in this Presidential race so much but it seemed to me that by making comments about being away from politics and not watching the Republican debates she really sets herself up well as someone who isn’t connected to the mess going on.

    The other thing is when she talks about it being “a good idea to just find out how tired I am” after 20 years in politics it sounded to me like she is thinking about if she wants to give national politics another try or not. A poster on another board said that Thomas Jefferson did the same thing–he retired from SOS because he said he was tired only to reenter politics and win the presidency.

    Also, saying she doesn’t want to think about the future because it might divert attention from current diplomatic tasks seems like an odd thing to say unless you were considering something…

    Anyway, probably just my fertile imagination on these but I thought there were hints in her comments yesterday…and it strikes me also that she is very careful when she talks about her future–always a similar response and words..

  65. Enough to make any patriot’s blood boil. And way O/T.
    Earlier this week the 8th and final Haditha Marine was exonerated.
    “Marine Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich agreed to plead guilty Monday to one count of negligent dereliction of duty, ending his trial on manslaughter and related charges for his role in the deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians in 2005.”
    snip
    Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani was found not guilty of all charges on June 16, 2008.
    That made 7 of 8 Marines who had their charges dismissed.
    This week the 8th and final Marine was found not guilty.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/john-murtha-ruined-the-lives-of-8-innocent-marines-join-the-movement-to-stop-murtha-ship/

  66. rodeconn
    January 26th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Gingrich is smarter than all the rest of them, he’s volitile, and isn’t going to be anyone’s puppet…his own party is out to lynch him and put in the smooth talker, car salesman…. does that remind you guys of anything….

    I guess that why I’d vote for Gingrich…he’s smart, strong willed, and opinionated….I don’t care about his trophy wife or all his prior sins….we need a smart person up there that is not on a ball and chain….

    If you get right down to it…our righteousness is like a filthy rag…so Newt is no better or no worse in the eyes of God….than we are!
    _________________________________________

    Yeah ! If we have to have a Republican president I’m for the one who obviously gives both parties diarrhea.

    That was just me trying to be funny. I like the fact that Newt looks and says “why not”. He is aware of all the problems we face but yet he can try to offer a brighter future. Romney has no overall vision to draw from, when things go off script he flounders.

    I don’t understand why Newt gave him that opening about self deportation, his reply was lost in Romney’s orchestrated huff and puff. But when asked Romney if he was really going to collar grandparents and deport, Romney couldn’t answer because he hasn’t thought out the problem, Newt has. Romney’s plan is a nebulous campaign promise, Newt’s isn’t.

    I do not like Romney, my guts have told me true since before Bill Clinton.

  67. See here is another example of td’s convoluted thinking:

    “Bill wasn’t impeached BECAUSE of ‘perjury’”
    __________________

    Yes, he was- he lied to federal investigators.
    ____

    Stop the misinformation campaign, turndown. All you do is confuse people with your version of what “IS” is!

  68. Romney is being tutored by a debate coach. The reason why his last performance was a big improvement over his past debates..

    Gingrich had better start looking at his own messages on youtube. Whoever is doing his oppo research has been doing a little digging and has fresh new ammo perfect for Mitty.

  69. rodeconn
    January 26th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    Gingrich is smarter than all the rest of them, he’s volatile, and isn’t going to be anyone’s puppet…his own party is out to lynch him and put in the smooth talker, car salesman…. does that remind you guys of anything….
    ___________

    Exactly right, rodeconn. Obama strategists are primed for having Obama debate Romney. If that video I posted at 12:03am is any indication of the tear down Obama will inflict on Romney, he won’t survive the first debate, never mind election results.

  70. AmericanGal
    January 27th, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Hillary must be driving Obama, Axelrod and Jarret CRAZY- I bet at least one of the three ask her everyday if she is planning any surprise moves.

    And of course, they would expect Hillary, as a federal employee, to be respectful of her president.

  71. “Do you think Bill’s policies as Governor and later was not part of their motivation for the whole persecution?”
    ____________

    No, I don’t. It was because of Bill’s policies as a Fourth Grader when he believed everyone that scored a 100 on a test should get 15min extra at recess time.

    Turndown- if you don’t know the answer, it’s simple… DON’T VOLUNTEER an answer.

  72. Heres an update on the heroic, defiant, Susan McDougal:

    Two Jewish Guys Present Annual Chanukah Special at Clinton Center..

    Little Rock attorney Phil Kaplan and advertising executive Leslie Singer will team up with KUAR, FM 89.1 to present the 11th annual Jewish Guys Chanukah Special at 7 p.m. Monday (Dec. 5) at the Clinton Presidential Center, 1200 President Clinton Ave., Little Rock.

    The 60-minute show will be recorded before a live audience and broadcast on KUAR at 7 p.m. Dec. 21 and 1 p.m. Dec. 25.

    The Jewish Guys Chanukah Special celebrates cultural Judaism and features skits, music and general shtick. Musical guests will include the Meshugga Klezmer Band and the Bauman Brothers.

    “This year’s special guest is Susan McDougal, who special prosecutor Ken Starr sent to prison for not cooperating with his investigation of President Clinton,” Leslie Singer says. “I’m going to ask her if she celebrated Chanukah with the Jewish inmates she has said took her in.”

    …………

    I have always held a sweet spot for Susan McDougal. The memories of her ordeal, her imprisonment ordered by Ken Starr is legendary all because she wouldn’t talk. It was good to see after all this time, Bill hasn’t forgotten her..

    http://www.inarkansas.com/27924/two-jewish-guys-present-annual-chanukah-special-at-clinton-center-monday

  73. Yes, Susan McDougal is a hero. How many others would have gone to prison for so long, and not confessed something/anything to get out.

  74. NMF-

    Yup, when those that have the power want to get you, there is nothing they won’t do to make it happen. The first place they’ll start is haranguing your friends..isolating you and starting false rumors about you to get the ball rolling… eventually framing you with trumped up criminal charges.

    I should have mentioned, Susan McDougal wrote a book about her prison time and her experience with prosecutor Ken Starr. Her book is entitled, “The Woman Who Wouldn’t Talk”. I have not read the book, but from a historical point of view, the story retold as seen through her eyes is a first hand account of the Republican’s seething political climate during the Clinton presidency.

  75. JanH
    January 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    for anyone interested…
    _____________

    Yes Jan, we’re always interested in knowing what’s Hillary is doing. We depend on you and AMB90 keeping us up on the latest Hillary news.
    I for one appreciate your remarkable
    steadfastness posting the topics and issues Hillary is promoting always working in improving existing venues during the final days of her SOS work.

    I think because of her setting the example of the many facets of State Dept work… she is speaking to an overflow crowd, a packed house of enthusiastic persons interested and involved in foreign policy at the Dean Acheson Auditorium.

    She looks happy- indeed.

  76. AmericanGal
    January 27th, 2012 at 7:42 am
    “The other thing is when she talks about it being “a good idea to just find out how tired I am” after 20 years in politics it sounded to me like she is thinking about if she wants to give national politics another try or not. A poster on another board said that Thomas Jefferson did the same thing–he retired from SOS because he said he was tired only to reenter politics and win the presidency.”

    This is a classy way of saying piss off and leave me out of the 2012 campaign crap and let me do my work, then I’m outta here. I think she is genuinely tired of the Obama, Jarret, Michelle idiocy and just wants as much distance as she can get. She is the only person in the administration who is not loafing, conniving, or stealing. It’s got to be lonely as well as exhausting and frustrating.

  77. Re posting Mrs. Smith’s video link. How can it be that this is the first we hear of this:

    A trailer for Winning Our Future’s second film. Full video coming soon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRz7LrQfIK4

    This text is below the video: Now we learn that Bain, under Romney’s “supervision”, purchased and ran the Damon Corporation, who pled guilty to Federal conspiracy charges as a result of tens of millions of dollars in systemic Medicare fraud committed under Romney’s and Bain’s control. Damon was fined over $119-million which was, at the time, the largest criminal healthcare fine in Massachusetts history and Mr. Romney’s participation was characterized in 1996 by Corporate Crime Reporter thusly: “As manager and board member of Damon Corp, Mitt Romney sits at the center of one of the top 15 corporate crimes of the 1990’s.”

  78. rodeconn @ 11:54 PM

    I guess that why I’d vote for Gingrich…he’s smart, strong willed, and opinionated….I don’t care about his trophy wife or all his prior sins….we need a smart person up there that is not on a ball and chain…
    ************************************************************

    we all have our own impressions of what we see and what we think…

    my impression of Newt is he is he is not as smart as he thinks he is, he is very opinionated and only strong willed when he is blustering…I noticed this and also it was commented on by the pundits last night…he cannot look anyone in the eye…especially when he is attaching them…R does look everyone straight in the eye…R, last night, showed his style is more of a calm, quieter, I would venture to say, more mature, strength…and if takes a little coaching by a new debate coach to draw him out then so be it…

    Newt is doing fine as long as he is getting applause…he is a master of the “cheap shot” …like the kid who loves to bully…but once it gets turned back on him…he folds like a little man and resorts to WHINING…’oh, he did this to me…and she did that to me” bla, bla, bla..

    his attacks come across as desperate…and not only do indep and moderates not trust him…his own party and people he worked with, even when he was leading them…do not trust him…he likes to make you think he is the smartest guy in the room, similar to how O operates…neither one of them are SO smart…more myth making…keep saying it so people will believe it…

    things can change in a flash…however currently the fact remains that NG has very high negatives, in national polls he LOSES with indep and loses with O…and nationally he loses big with women…

    and as Mrs Smith even mentioned a few threads ago, quote “who cares about Newt G, he’s not even on the Virginia ballot” …or other ballots for that matter…

    I do not come to this site to build up any republican candidates and shill for them, I come here to debate who can actually win in a national election and beat O

    again, if Hillary steps in…the gods have spoken and halleluja (sp)…but if she does not then I am with the most realistic person that can beat O

    and with all the variables that are working against Newt in a national election, it is not him…to support him to win an arguement is silly…the bottom line is who can beat O…

    if Newt thinks people are ganging up on him now…people ironically from his own party are ganging up and turning against him…just wait until the full force of the chicago machine is targeted on him non stop…he will collapse…

  79. and please let me add one thing…I am all for NG being a big and loud cheerleader once we get in the national…he can say all those things so many people like about him and be effected but as the candidate…no

    a

  80. oops, hit send by mistabke…also wanted to add that i don’t come here to debate the choices…i come to discuss our options…i believe we all do want the same thing…to beat O…

  81. AmericanGirl

    …Anyway, probably just my fertile imagination on these but I thought there were hints in her comments yesterday…and it strikes me also that she is very careful when she talks about her future–always a similar response and words..

    ——-
    That makes two of us, I pretty much took what she said the same way.

    Being on a ‘tightrope above politics’ set off some images for me too. Up in the air, balancing between her political beliefs and Obama’s stupidity and not trying to do anything less than perfect at her SOS job.

    After the 24/7 job schedule she has kept, with almost no time off to spend with her Big Dawg, daughter and new son-in-law…she needs some down time to regroup, rest from the O’drama and plan her next attack.

    Hillary isn’t going into retirement, I bet a months salary on it. I think her plan is 2016.

  82. Mormaer

    This is a classy way of saying piss off and leave me out of the 2012 campaign crap and let me do my work, then I’m outta here. I think she is genuinely tired of the Obama, Jarret, Michelle idiocy and just wants as much distance as she can get. She is the only person in the administration who is not loafing, conniving, or stealing. It’s got to be lonely as well as exhausting and frustrating.

    ——-
    Perfectly said…a big yup to this.

  83. S
    January 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    If Newt thinks people are ganging up on him now…people ironically from his own party are ganging up and turning against him…just wait until the full force of the chicago machine is targeted on him non stop…he will collapse…

    Why do people say “support a candidate”? I think we all need lessons on how to support a candidate in todays reality. The Obama campaign and the MSM mopped the floor with Hillary – Newt can be good practice for us.

  84. There is a GREAT video on ulsterman’s site that explains what happened in the Georgia courtroom and what happens next and how big of a deal it is!

    —-

    Yesterday’s presidential eligibility hearing in a small Georgia courtroom laid out for the first time the legal questions that have never entirely been answered with more than derision and ridicule among both the mainstream media and Barack Obama himself.

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/01/27/obama-ignores-eligibility-concerns-campaign-rolls-on/

  85. The Obama campaign and the MSM mopped the floor with Hillary

    ——-
    The imagery of this statement makes me livid.

  86. I have not mentioned polls in a while…interestingly, Obama did not receive a bump from the SOTU address as he is still around minus 2.2%.

  87. Well said, S! I agree with everything you’ve said thus far about NG, etc.

    ******

    Again, I think posters should be able to give their opinions on this blog without being personally attacked. It’s not only divisive, it drives people away who are otherwise like-minded about Hillary and Obama. I’m just saying….

    ******
    About WJC, the Right Wing was after him since his Governorship in Arkansas, and their attack intensified after he beat Bush Sr. Indeed, they never considered WJC a legitimate President, since his Presidency threw a monkey wrench, as it were, in their plans to keep the WH in GOP hands. Yes, Bill was no saint and was stupid and wreckless to have given them more reasons to go after him, but most of the investigations amounted to fishing expeditions. Impeachment WAS on the table as soon as Bill stepped into the WH as Prez. (It’s all laid out in Conason’s documentary THE HUNTING of the President.)

  88. jbstonesfan

    I have not mentioned polls in a while…interestingly, Obama did not receive a bump from the SOTU address as he is still around minus 2.2%.

    ——–
    High 5’s !!!!!

  89. trixta,

    “Again, I think posters should be able to give their opinions on this blog without being personally attacked.”

    Agreed, 100 %. I do not care for Newt as a POTUS candidate but I do not trash others who do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and should be respected for their positions.

  90. … eventually framing you with trumped up criminal charges.
    I should have mentioned, Susan McDougal wrote a book about her prison time and her experience with prosecutor Ken Starr. Her book is entitled, “The Woman Who Wouldn’t Talk”. I have not read the book, but from a historical point of view, the story retold as seen through her eyes is a first hand account of the Republican’s seething political climate during the Clinton presidency.

    =======================

    Yes, Susan is a wonderfully brave woman. Thanks for letting us know she has a book out. Starr and the Gingrich camp got her husband to make false charges against Bill (long before the Lewinsky ‘perjury’ trial). She refused to go along with it, recognizing a frame-up. She concluded that if she denied her husband’s story, she would be charged with perjury. So she refused even to talk to Starr and his grand jury! All she would say is “Starr should recuse himself.”

    For this, she was charged with ‘contempt of court’ and put in prison.

    I learned a great lesson from her example: If you’re going to be in trouble either way, it’s better to be in trouble for something simple than for something complicated. 😉

  91. Their plan was they would be able to get Clinton with a sex charge before the 1996 election if she agreed to lie and say she had had an affair with Clinton.

    =================

    Yes, the Starr/Gingrich plan had been going for a long time before they ever found the excuse of Clinton ‘lying’ about Lewinsky. They had been trying to invent charges against him. Finally they used a charge from the Paula Jones/Lewinsky deposition.

    It doesn’t matter that Bill had really had ‘sex’ with Lewinsky. They had tried that charge naming other women already. Bill didn’t deserve this, or ‘give them the ammunition.’ They would have invented some ammunition in any case.

  92. Impeachment WAS on the table as soon as Bill stepped into the WH as Prez. (It’s all laid out in Conason’s documentary THE HUNTING of the President.)

    ==================

    Yes. That’s the simple key.

  93. Hillary Clinton to visit Europe next week

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will make a short trip to Europe next week, making her sixth visit to Germany and first to Bulgaria as America’s top diplomat.

    The State Department said on Friday that Clinton will go to Munich on February 3 to participate in the annual Munich Security Conference and meet with various other foreign ministers and senior officials who are attending.

    She will then travel to Sofia the next day for discussions with Bulgarian leaders on their role in Afghanistan and lessons their democratic transition could provide to the Arab world. Clinton will return to Washington on February 5.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jXTyl1PLzd8urKVeO9dRB9JAxGnQ?docId=1ad72d40a3dd422da3294d4cf97c516a

  94. Tom in Paine

    Talking about the SOTU address..

    [snip}

    Obama lied more about health care reform than any president has lied about any one single issue since Nixon and Watergate as the videos below will show ( though George W Bush is not far behind in his self serving lies about why he couldn’t prevent the 911 attacks when he had enough information to do so).

    Obama’s lying is so brazen that even his new campaign literature claims as one of his big accomplishments “getting health insurance for 32 million uninsured”. It should be remembered that Obama’s health care bill is the same one former DNC chairman Howard Dean said should be “junked”. And the bill Tom Harkin,and other congressional Democrats could only say was “better than nothing”.

    The audacity of Obama’s lie that he “got health insurance for 32 million uninsured”, is nothing short of an insult to the intelligence of every voter in the country but its only one of many that Obama has gotten away with time and time again especially in the press who, from the beginning have decided to look the other way when confronted with outright lies coming from Obama because they didn’t want anything to interfere with their narrative of electing the ” first black president”.

    What Obama’s healthcare bill actually does get is 32 million new customers for the insurance companies, the lobby he sold out to when he made a back room deal at the White House (as reported by the New York Times) with the for-profit health care industry to dump the public option. Though it is still an open question as to whether his mandate that the uninsured buy insurance will survive a Supreme Court challenge.

    http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/

  95. Facebook and Politico mate politically

    —-

    If you’re on Facebook and plan on talking about the election this year, beware. Here is their plan for the 2012 election:

    Facebook announced yesterday that “every post and comment — both public and private — by a U.S. user that mentions a presidential candidate’s name will be fed through a sentiment analysis tool that spits out anonymized measures of the general U.S. Facebook population.” This analysis, along with reader polls and other information, will in turn be shared with politico.com.

    This of course isn’t the first time Facebook has played fast and loose with your private information, and it won’t be the last. And it does pose some interesting question/problems:

    This raises at least three concerns. The first is that many users may not want to be part of any “sentiment analysis” or poll. For example, they may be a firm supporter of Mitt Romney but find Ron Paul’s ideas interesting. Are they now going to feel hesitant to talk about Paul’s ideas out of awareness that it might be registered as support or boost a candidate they don’t like? Second, we don’t see any mention of user consent anywhere in Facebook’s announcement. How has Facebook decided that users agreed that their personal communications can and should be used in this way?

    Finally, what other uses might this information be put to in the future? Will it be used to serve users ads from politicians or manipulate voting preferences in some way? We can see the marketing materials from Facebook now: “Candidates, serve ads to secret supporters! No one knows about their preferences except their closest friends and us.”

    I’m also concerned about the prospect of Politico, known for their obvious support of Democrats and attacks on Republicans of every stripe, using the information to help/hurt candidates in some way. I don’t support Politico and as long as they play the partisan games they do (see Herman Cain), I won’t. BUT! There is a way around this. We’re discussing it on the P&L Facebook fan page, and having some fun doing it. I suggested we come up with nicknames, but another user had a better idea. Per the commenter:

    I’m just going to respond by calling every candidate RON PAUL.

    And that’s just what we’ve been doing, to hilarious effect. Per another commenter:

    I can’t wait for the State of the Union to see how Michelle matches the girls colors with hers and RON PAUL’S tie.

    Per another:

    I gotta go get me some RON PAUL at the grocery store and while I am at it, I should get some RON PAUL when I am at the hardware store. All I want for Christmas is RON PAUL.

    We even got creative with Sarah Palin:

    I’ll help. SARAH RON PAUL PALIN SARAH RON PAUL PALIN LOL

    If enough people do this, or something similar, it will throw a monkey wrench in Facebook’s and Politico’s plans. They’ll have to sift endlessly through misleading data, if they are even able to. I encourage you to adopt a similar strategy while on FB this year

    http://peacocksandlilies.com/

  96. I’m a little bored, so in buzzing around the internets I ran across this at Cannonfire, he has a group of videos from around the world that capture some strange sounds in the sky…from regular folks with recorders.

    Seems like an X-File to me, where are Mulder and Scully when we need them?

    ———-

    Sounds like an Apocalypse! [Sounds more like God is bowling or filming a bad movie to me]

    This is a political blog, not a Weird Shit blog. But the political realm — and life in general — has left me feeling awfully bleak and blue in recent weeks. So let’s welcome some good news: The Apocalypse is nigh!

    At least, such is the purport of a mysterious set of videos popping up all over YouTube. These clips document a worldwide phenomenon — strange, loud, unearthly sounds that have been heard in various locations around the world. A flurry of “unidentified auditory phenomenon” reports came pouring in from all over the world on January 12, 2012, and again on January 17. Near as I can tell, the first wave of videos documenting these sounds showed up in March of 2011, with another outburst in August of 2011.

    I know what you’re thinking: How do we know that these videos do not constitute a massive con job? Faking up a presentation of this sort would be child’s play. Perhaps we are witnessing a viral, global leg-pull.

    My response: Dude, you’re harshing my buzz. I prefer to think that the Apocalypse is nigh.

    On occasion, teevee news has reported on the incidents — for example, ITN. So has the Huffington Post. Also see here and here. And here. As you’ll see, at least one sports broadcast has been interrupted by these audio events.

    At this point, I can offer no explanation. Can’t even provide you with one of my characteristically outre theories. (Some folks are talking HAARP. Boring! There are people who blame HAARP if a cat coughs up a fur ball.) All you can do is check out the vids and come to your own conclusions.

    http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/

  97. Just an FYI: if Kenn Starr wanted witnesses against Big Dawg, all they would have had to do was talk to one of my friends and the neighbors and those like them in DC. My friend had a viseral reaction to my mention of the name Clinton one day. She said that she and her neighbors really couldn’t stand to even hear the name. She said that one of his mistresses lived in their neighborhood in Arkansas when Bill was Governor and that just about every Tuesday like clock work the security detail was assigned to stand guard around a neighbor’s house during the time that Bill was there. It was not a well guarded secret. And, no doubt, the whole entire neighborhood witnessed it, so any one of those who disliked the events of their Governor could have been a witness. So, the escapades continued to the WH.

    What I do not understand most is this: why is everyone so upset with those using Bill’s lifestyle against him? I am so much more upset that he subjected our Hillary to such humilation and such public disgrace; and that is not even to mention the harm done to Chelsea. As much as I love the Big Dawg, I do not appreciate him subjecting his wife and daughter to such disgrace and on an international scale.

  98. Me too, ShortTermer. It’s like you can’t call him a dog because of the almost mythical name. It’s an idol worship that’s not going to happen with me.

  99. I have started to see O ads on facebook. Today there was one for O women, andI woke up. I hit the delete x, and when the asked me why, I told them it was offensive to me.

    I think we should all consider, if you are on face book, deleteing Os ads, and tell them they are offensive. Maybe they will get the point.

  100. why is everyone so upset with those using Bill’s lifestyle against him?

    =====================

    Their pretext (his sex scandal) is the secondary thing. The important thing is that they impeached him at all. That showed that they disagreed with everything that he and Hillary worked for: their policies.

  101. For those who can’t stomach Gingrich, if he turns out to be th Republican nominee against Obama, will you still vote for him to defeat Obama? You have all been witness to how Obama operates both on the campaign trail, and while in office. He is a despicable person that doesn’t deserve another term, let alone his first term. The title ‘Thug in Chief’ fits him well. Yet, I am sensing that some will not do what is absolutely necessary to defeat him at the polling booths this November.

    We are losing more and more of our basic civil liberties under his “leadership”. He fills his adminisration with czars who do not have to answer to anyone including the representatives that the majority have chosen to represent our interests in Congress. He has surrounded himself with advisors with questionable backgrounds, and decidedly anti-American attitudes. He hides all of his personal information from us. He has a DOJ that only believes in justice for some, not all. He has gone after the Writ of Habeus Corpus making citizens less safe and protected from their overreaching government. He shove a healthcare plan that will actually increase healthcare costs while it permits others to make healthcare decisions for you. Additionally, he has made an attempt to gain control over the internet which I believe is a cynical attempt to silence his critics. He has promoted a civilian militia. Now why in this world would he do something like that? Think Cuba or Venezuela. We now have a $16.5 trillion dollar debt that makes us all slaves to this monster government. Where did this money go? How is it that so much money was needed in just three years? Where is this fu—king money?! For a so-called Democrat, his behavior says otherwise. He is a threat to anyone who cares about civil liberties. I understand that one can vote for whomever he or she chooses, but please keep these things in mind while you make your decision. It’s easy to b!tch about him, yet it should be even easier to do what needs to be done to have him booted from office. I don’t want to see the US become another Venezuela because people may not be taking the threat that is Barack Obama more seriously. I am not enamored with Newt Gingrich, but I don’t feel threatened by him. When in Congress, he was all about shrinking government which when considered today, that thought was very prophetic. We are witnessing government out of control, and it needs to stop. The beginning of its end will be when Obama is defeated in November. Everyone needs to help with this, including those who can’t stomach the thought of voting for an ugly, fat old man who doesn’t support some of the policy ideas that you may support, and who did mean things to a former president (snark). Hey, maybe you won’t even have to worry about voting for Gingrich if he fails at his nomination bid.

  102. Newt Gingrich [….] When in Congress, he was all about shrinking government which when considered today, that thought was very prophetic.

    =====================

    Do you wish Gingrich had succeeded in impeaching Bill (and also Gore) and become President Gingrich in 1998?

  103. President Gingrich in 1998? Or perhaps you’d have preferred President Gingrich in 1993, so he could have had almost eight years?

  104. Maybe off topic. No poll bounce with SOTU. This is the same class-warfare speech he gave to Congress last September. No bounce in polls & no action on his bill last September. Also , the bottom line for Obama is this. His approval ratings with Independents is the low 30’s with just about every credible poll(even CBS). This has not changed since the last mid-term. No amount of positive Obama spin by the MSM has or will change this. Independents are basically a lost cause for Obama. No independent voters for Obama means no path to victory.

  105. nomobama
    January 27th, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    For those who can’t stomach Gingrich, if he turns out to be th Republican nominee against Obama, will you still vote for him to defeat Obama?

    ——-
    I don’t like Newt, but my answer is YES, unless Trump runs as an Independent, then I will vote for Trump in a heartbeat.

  106. No independent voters for Obama means no path to victory.

    =================

    It that’s true, then TPTB who backed Obama in 2008, must not care who wins the WH in 2012. If they wanted a Democrat who could win, they would be saying “Dump Obama.”

    So maybe they’d be just as happy with an admitted Republican President as with DINO Obama.

  107. …and I will add in the primary, if our girl isn’t in the mix, and if Trump doesn’t run, I will vote for Ron Paul.

  108. …and the last situation I would vote for Mitt in the General if he is the GOP guy and Trump and Ron Paul don’t run as Independents.

    That pretty much covers it for me.

  109. Turndownobama, I don’t support people lying under oath. Take that for what it is worth. A lawyer should know the law. There are, or should be consequences when perjury is committed. So you condone perjury?

  110. There are, or should be consequences when perjury is committed.

    =================

    LOL! Iirc, Bill left office with a 67% approval rating. Which went up a point or two with every revelation in the Gingrich/Starr Report.

    It’s shocking to see this anti-Clinton stuff being said on a Hillary blog! But maybe it will remind people of just what all Gingrich did do when he had power.

  111. What’s shocking is that you consider my comments to be anti-Clinton. You must be a contortionist the way you seem to twist things to fit your point of view. If I had been asked what I thought of Bill Clinton when he left office, I would have viewed him in a positive light, too, as far as the condition of the country was concerned. That still does not mean I condoned his idea of fun in the White House.

    Bill’s sexcapades were scandalous as were Newt’s. No excuse for either. I do see in you what seems to be a tacit approval for wrongdoing if the person doing the wrong is someone you support. By the way, this is a Hillary Clinton blog as far as I can tell.

    So, do you think Hillary was not furious with Bill? She knew that he was capable of doing what he did. I felt bad for her, and at the time, my partisanship said “no” to his impeachment, and that was based on a the false notion at the time that it was about the sex acts, and not the lying done under oath.

    Also, I am very glad that Al Gore never became president even though I had voted for the obnoxious turd.

  112. Here’s Sarah Palin’s response to the Republican establishment pile-on of Newt Gingrich. I concur.
    ——————-

    Cannibals in GOP Establishment Employ Tactics of the Left
    by Sarah Palin on Friday, January 27, 2012 at 2:57pm
    We have witnessed something very disturbing this week. The Republican establishment which fought Ronald Reagan in the 1970s and which continues to fight the grassroots Tea Party movement today has adopted the tactics of the left in using the media and the politics of personal destruction to attack an opponent.
     
    We will look back on this week and realize that something changed. I have given numerous interviews wherein I espoused the benefits of thorough vetting during aggressive contested primary elections, but this week’s tactics aren’t what I meant. Those who claim allegiance to Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment should stop and think about where we are today. Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, the fathers of the modern conservative movement, would be ashamed of us in this primary. Let me make clear that I have no problem with the routine rough and tumble of a heated campaign. As I said at the first Tea Party convention two years ago, I am in favor of contested primaries and healthy, pointed debate. They help focus candidates and the electorate. I have fought in tough and heated contested primaries myself. But what we have seen in Florida this week is beyond the pale. It was unprecedented in GOP primaries. I’ve seen it before – heck, I lived it before – but not in a GOP primary race.
     
    I am sadly too familiar with these tactics because they were used against the GOP ticket in 2008. The left seeks to single someone out and destroy his or her record and reputation and family using the media as a channel to dump handpicked and half-baked campaign opposition research on the public. The difference in 2008 was that I was largely unknown to the American public, so they had no way of differentiating between the lies and the truth. All of it came at them at once as “facts” about me. But Newt Gingrich is known to us – both the good and the bad.
     
    We know that Newt fought in the trenches during the Reagan Revolution. As Rush Limbaugh pointed out, Newt was among a handful of Republican Congressman who would regularly take to the House floor to defend Reagan at a time when conservatives didn’t have Fox News or talk radio or conservative blogs to give any balance to the liberal mainstream media. Newt actually came at Reagan’s administration “from the right” to remind Americans that freer markets and tougher national defense would win our future. But this week a few handpicked and selectively edited comments which Newt made during his 40-year career were used to claim that Newt was somehow anti-Reagan and isn’t conservative enough to go against the accepted moderate in the primary race. (I know, it makes no sense, and the GOP establishment hopes you won’t stop and think about this nonsense. Mark Levin and others have shown the ridiculousness of this.) To add insult to injury, this “anti-Reagan” claim was made by a candidate who admitted to not even supporting or voting for Reagan. He actually was against the Reagan movement, donated to liberal candidates, and said he didn’t want to go back to the Reagan days. You can’t change history. We know that Newt Gingrich brought the Reagan Revolution into the 1990s. We know it because none other than Nancy Reagan herself announced this when she presented Newt with an award, telling us, “The dramatic movement of 1995 is an outgrowth of a much earlier crusade that goes back half a century.  Barry Goldwater handed the torch to Ronnie, and in turn Ronnie turned that torch over to Newt and the Republican members of Congress to keep that dream alive.” As Rush and others pointed out, if Nancy Reagan had ever thought that Newt was in any way an opponent of her beloved husband, she would never have even appeared on a stage with him, let alone presented him with an award and said such kind things about him. Nor would Reagan’s son, Michael Reagan, have chosen to endorse Newt in this primary race. There are no two greater keepers of the Reagan legacy than Nancy and Michael Reagan. What we saw with this ridiculous opposition dump on Newt was nothing short of Stalin-esque rewriting of history. It was Alinsky tactics at their worst.
     
    But this whole thing isn’t really about Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney. It is about the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Party grassroots and independent Americans who are sick of the politics of personal destruction used now by both parties’ operatives with a complicit media egging it on. In fact, the establishment has been just as dismissive of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum. Newt is an imperfect vessel for Tea Party support, but in South Carolina the Tea Party chose to get behind him instead of the old guard’s choice. In response, the GOP establishment voices denounced South Carolinian voters with the same vitriol we usually see from the left when they spew hatred at everyday Americans “bitterly clinging” to their faith and their Second Amendment rights. The Tea Party was once again told to sit down and shut up and listen to the “wisdom” of their betters. We were reminded of the litany of Tea Party endorsed candidates in 2010 who didn’t win. Well, here’s a little newsflash to the establishment: without the Tea Party there would have been no historic 2010 victory at all.
     
    I spoke up before the South Carolina primary to urge voters there to keep this primary going because I have great concern about the GOP establishment trying to anoint a candidate without the blessing of the grassroots and all the needed energy and resources we as commonsense constitutional conservatives could bring to the general election in order to defeat President Obama. Now, I respect Governor Romney and his success. But there are serious concerns about his record and whether as a politician he consistently applied conservative principles and how this impacts the agenda moving forward. The questions need answers now. That is why this primary should not be rushed to an end. We need to vet this. Pundits in the Beltway are gleefully proclaiming that this primary race is over after Florida, despite 46 states still not having chimed in. Well, perhaps it’s possible that it will come to a speedy end in just four days; but with these questions left unanswered, it will not have come to a satisfactory conclusion. Without this necessary vetting process, the unanswered question of Governor Romney’s conservative bona fides and the unanswered and false attacks on Newt Gingrich will hang in the air to demoralize many in the electorate. The Tea Party grassroots will certainly feel disenfranchised and disenchanted with the perceived orchestrated outcome from self-proclaimed movers and shakers trying to sew this all up. And, trust me, during the general election, Governor Romney’s statements and record in the private sector will be relentlessly parsed over by the opposition in excruciating detail to frighten off swing voters. This is why we need a fair primary that is not prematurely cut short by the GOP establishment using Alinsky tactics to kneecap Governor Romney’s chief rival.
     
    As I said in my speech in Iowa last September, the challenge of this election is not simply to replace President Obama. The real challenge is who and what we will replace him with. It’s not enough to just change up the uniform. If we don’t change the team and the game plan, we won’t save our country. We truly need sudden and relentless reform in Washington to defend our republic, though it’s becoming clearer that the old guard wants anything but that. That is why we should all be concerned by the tactics employed by the establishment this week. We will not save our country by becoming like the left. And I question whether the GOP establishment would ever employ the same harsh tactics they used on Newt against Obama. I didn’t see it in 2008. Many of these same characters sat on their thumbs in ‘08 and let Obama escape unvetted. Oddly, they’re now using every available microscope and endoscope – along with rewriting history – in attempts to character assassinate anyone challenging their chosen one in their own party’s primary. So, one must ask, who are they really running against?
     
    – Sarah Palin

  113. nomobama
    January 27th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    “You must be a contortionist the way you seem to twist things to fit your point of view.”

    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

    Mark Twain

  114. Tony Stark
    January 27th, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    I don’t know who you are, but I know who nomobama is and if the two of you were standing arguing I would have no problem telling which one was you.

  115. Betty

    In case that wasn’t clear enough, I will spell it out: I was trying to advice nobama about the futility of arguing with TDO. I fully agree with nobama’s comments but I recognize that arguing with someone with turndownobama is an exercise in frustration.

  116. Oops, sorry.

    I left for a while and went over to crawdad, myiq2xu posted as essay that just floored me.

    _________

    In it he said: “Right now we are facing the likelihood of a rigged election where both candidates are Wall Street favorites.”
    ___________

    If that doesn’t get us on our feet and coordinating the fight nothing ever will.

  117. “Right now we are facing the likelihood of a rigged election where both candidates are Wall Street favorites.”
    ___________

    If that doesn’t get us on our feet and coordinating the fight nothing ever will.
    _________

    Exactly right, Betty- and why I was a little taken back the other night when tim was supporting Romney. He is a MA resident and a businessman and seems inoculated against Romneys habits of bleeding his constituency dry by taxing them to death.

    For Instance more facts that should be a wake-up call to readers here:

    In Mass., Romney raised taxes, fees

    voters should greet Romney’s impersonation with a quarry full of skepticism.

    In fact, Romney increased taxes by $309 million, mainly on corporations. These tax hikes, described by Romney apologists as loophole closures, totaled $128 million in 2003, $95.5 in 2004, and $85 million in 2005. That final year, Romney proposed $170 million in higher business taxes, the Boston Globe reports. However, the Bay State’s liberal, Democratic legislature balked and only approved an $85 million increase.

    Tax rates on many corporations almost doubled because of legislation supported by Romney, Boston Science Corporation chairman Peter Nicholas explained in Jan. 6, 2008’s Boston Herald. Also, from 5.3 to 9.8 percent, Romney raised the tax on subchapter S corporations owned by business trusts, an 85 percent hike. Romney went further than any other governor in trying to wring money out of corporations, the Council on State Taxation’s Joseph Crosby complained.

    Romney also created or increased fees by $432 million. He was not dragooned into this by greedy Democratic lawmakers; Romney himself proposed these items. In 2003 alone, Romney concocted or boosted 88 fees. Romney charged more for marriage licenses (from $6 to $12), gun registrations (from $25 to $75), a used-car sales tax ($10 million), gasoline deliveries ($60 million), real-estate transfers ($175 million), and more. Particularly obnoxious was Romney’s $10 fee per Certificate of Blindness. Romney also billed blind people $15 each for discount-travel ID cards.

    While Romney can take credit for a $275 million capital-gains tax rebate, property-tax relief for seniors, and a two-day, tax-free shopping holiday, he also must take responsibility for signing $740.5 million in higher taxes, plus that $85 million in business taxes that he requested and legislators rejected.

    Romney did not even fight higher Death Tax rates, notes former State Assembly Minority Whip Steve Baldwin, R-Calif., a Romney critic. When the legislature considered this issue, Romney’s official position was no position. This echoed Barack Obama’s “present” votes in the Illinois State Senate.

    As Romney drained his constituents’ pockets, the Public Policy Institute of New York’s Cost of Doing Business Index rated Massachusetts in 2006 as America’s fourth costliest state in which to practice free enterprise. The Tax Foundation dropped Massachusetts from America’s 29th most business-friendly state to No. 36. The Tax Foundation also calculated that, under Romney, Massachusetts’ per-capita tax burden increased from 9.3 to 9.9 percent. In real dollars, the Romney-era per capita tax burden grew $1,175.71.

    As if impoverishing his own taxpayers were not bad enough, Romney’s March 5, 2003 signature raised taxes on non-residents retroactive to that Jan. 1. Perpetrating taxation without representation, Romney’s law declared that, gross income derived from any trade or business, including any employment, would be taxable, regardless of the taxpayer’s residence or domicile in the year it is received. Consequently, according to data furnished by the Massachusetts Department of Revenue, between 2002 and 2006, New Hampshire residents who work or do business in the Bay State shipped Massachusetts $95 million above what they paid when Romney arrived. The average tax paid by Granite Staters into Massachusetts grew $458 from $2,392 in 2002 to $2,850 in 2006, up 19.1 percent.

    Notwithstanding the higher taxes and fees that Romney himself advocated, he claims that he was a powerless victim of a left-wing legislature. Nonsense. The profusion of Democrats on Beacon Hill did not prevent Romney’s GOP predecessors from dramatically cutting taxes. Former Republican governors William Weld and Paul Cellucci signed more than 40 tax-cut bills while Democrats ran the state house.

    Romney seems stuck at 25 percent support among Republicans. That’s because 75 percent of GOP voters simply dont trust him. There are at least 740.5 million reasons not to trust Romney on taxes, either.

    New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120106/OPINION02/701069993

  118. Betty

    “Right now we are facing the likelihood of a rigged election where both candidates are Wall Street favorites.”
    ___________

    If that doesn’t get us on our feet and coordinating the fight nothing ever will.
    _________

    Exactly right, Betty- and why I was a little taken back the other night when tim was supporting Romney. He is a MA resident and a businessman and seems inoculated against Romneys habits of bleeding his constituency dry by taxing them to death.

    For Instance more facts that should be a wake-up call to readers here:

    In Mass., Romney raised taxes, fees

    voters should greet Romney’s impersonation with a quarry full of skepticism.

    In fact, Romney increased taxes by $309 million, mainly on corporations. These tax hikes, described by Romney apologists as loophole closures, totaled $128 million in 2003, $95.5 in 2004, and $85 million in 2005. That final year, Romney proposed $170 million in higher business taxes, the Boston Globe reports. However, the Bay State’s liberal, Democratic legislature balked and only approved an $85 million increase.

    Tax rates on many corporations almost doubled because of legislation supported by Romney, Boston Science Corporation chairman Peter Nicholas explained in Jan. 6, 2008’s Boston Herald. Also, from 5.3 to 9.8 percent, Romney raised the tax on subchapter S corporations owned by business trusts, an 85 percent hike. Romney went further than any other governor in trying to wring money out of corporations, the Council on State Taxation’s Joseph Crosby complained.

    Romney also created or increased fees by $432 million. He was not dragooned into this by greedy Democratic lawmakers; Romney himself proposed these items. In 2003 alone, Romney concocted or boosted 88 fees. Romney charged more for marriage licenses (from $6 to $12), gun registrations (from $25 to $75), a used-car sales tax ($10 million), gasoline deliveries ($60 million), real-estate transfers ($175 million), and more. Particularly obnoxious was Romney’s $10 fee per Certificate of Blindness. Romney also billed blind people $15 each for discount-travel ID cards.

    While Romney can take credit for a $275 million capital-gains tax rebate, property-tax relief for seniors, and a two-day, tax-free shopping holiday, he also must take responsibility for signing $740.5 million in higher taxes, plus that $85 million in business taxes that he requested and legislators rejected.

    Romney did not even fight higher Death Tax rates, notes former State Assembly Minority Whip Steve Baldwin, R-Calif., a Romney critic. When the legislature considered this issue, Romney’s official position was no position. This echoed Barack Obama’s “present” votes in the Illinois State Senate.

    As Romney drained his constituents’ pockets, the Public Policy Institute of New York’s Cost of Doing Business Index rated Massachusetts in 2006 as America’s fourth costliest state in which to practice free enterprise. The Tax Foundation dropped Massachusetts from America’s 29th most business-friendly state to No. 36. The Tax Foundation also calculated that, under Romney, Massachusetts’ per-capita tax burden increased from 9.3 to 9.9 percent. In real dollars, the Romney-era per capita tax burden grew $1,175.71.

    As if impoverishing his own taxpayers were not bad enough, Romney’s March 5, 2003 signature raised taxes on non-residents retroactive to that Jan. 1. Perpetrating taxation without representation, Romney’s law declared that, gross income derived from any trade or business, including any employment, would be taxable, regardless of the taxpayer’s residence or domicile in the year it is received. Consequently, according to data furnished by the Massachusetts Department of Revenue, between 2002 and 2006, New Hampshire residents who work or do business in the Bay State shipped Massachusetts $95 million above what they paid when Romney arrived. The average tax paid by Granite Staters into Massachusetts grew $458 from $2,392 in 2002 to $2,850 in 2006, up 19.1 percent.

    Notwithstanding the higher taxes and fees that Romney himself advocated, he claims that he was a powerless victim of a left-wing legislature. Nonsense. The profusion of Democrats on Beacon Hill did not prevent Romney’s GOP predecessors from dramatically cutting taxes. Former Republican governors William Weld and Paul Cellucci signed more than 40 tax-cut bills while Democrats ran the state house.

    Romney seems stuck at 25 percent support among Republicans. That’s because 75 percent of GOP voters simply dont trust him. There are at least 740.5 million reasons not to trust Romney on taxes, either.

    New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120106/OPINION02/701069993

  119. Sounds to me like Palin wants to Romney lose the election so she can run in 4 years and/or remain the spokesperson for the so clled disenfranhised righties…The GOP is determined to lose this race.

  120. Betty

    “Right now we are facing the likelihood of a rigged election where both candidates are Wall Street favorites.”
    ___________

    Yes, and the simpler explanation is:

    Barack Obama WORKS for the elites

    Romney IS an elite-

    The elite Democrats WIN either way if Romney is allowed to pass go winning the Republican Nomination. They figure they have us back under their thumbs no matter which party wins.

    This is why Obama is fighting behind the scenes to have Romney as his opponent. It has all been orchestrated between the two of them, no matter who wins; THEY WIN..

    This is why we have to fight the disinformation campaigns and educate people, this is NO GAME.. It’s a matter of survival for all of us.

    Otherwise, we LOSE and LOSE Big- If we thought the last 3 yrs was a recession, if these jokers get to fool us again, what they have in store for us will set us back 100 yrs. And to ensure their uninterrupted reign of unending austerity, Sharia Law will pick up where they left off-

  121. Their ALL Elites for Gods sake

    ======================

    All the GOP and the DINOs, anyway. Except Sarah and Warren and the Clintons, who would qualify income-wise but still have common sense.

  122. Sorry, even the Clinton’s, Sarah…They are all worth 100 times you and me and in reality, hang with the power brokers of the World, not you and me…

  123. gonzotx
    January 27th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Their ALL Elites for Gods sake
    ____________

    Paul isn’t an elite, Santorum isn’t and elite, Gingrich isn’t an elite. Theres only one- and that is Romney.

    I doubt you know what we mean when we say a candidate belongs to the elitists.

  124. bstonesfan
    January 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    I have not mentioned polls in a while…interestingly, Obama did not receive a bump from the SOTU address as he is still around minus 2.2%.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    David Brooks of NYT today had an op-ed that may explain the non-bump: Obama’s speech was no home run, it was a bunt-attempt that was fouled off. DB says Obama is too chicken shit to propose anything dramatic, so anything he proposes or does is low on the confrontation meter, but low on results. Window dressing.

    We have a window-dressing POTUS. Brooks argues that in stable times, incrementalism like this is not the worst thing…but in a bad economy where things could get much worse, he says boldness is a critical quality.

    Obama is not capable of being bold. In 2008, he could play the role of “bold politician”, even though he was never one. But now, he can’t even audition for that role, let alone get that acting part.

    So the Dems go into battle with a bad actor, and an incompetent public servant, and incompetent party leader. We can dub his 2012 SOTU “The Dem’s Titanic”. Message: run for the life boats before they’re all filled.

  125. rgb44hrc

    So the Dems go into battle with a bad actor, and an incompetent public servant, and incompetent party leader. We can dub his 2012 SOTU “The Dem’s Titanic”. Message: run for the life boats before they’re all filled.

    ——-
    True enough, and in a normal election any GOP candidate would have a good chance at beating the pants off of Barry, but I agree with Trump and Sarah that the dirty blows between Mitt and Newt, the top two contenders…is hurting each of them in this race. They shoukd raise above this personal war of words and hit more on their strenghts and Obama’s compared weaknesses and failed policies and false promises. They can debate without the personal attacks, like who is the ‘real’ conservative, etc.

  126. At a campaign event in Cape Canaveral, Florida, Romney reminded the crowd of his debate performance.

    “How about that debate last night? Wasn’t that fun?” Romney asked. “I’ve had the fun of two debates where I had to stand up and battle, and battling was fun.”
    _____________

    Romney’s comment gives me the creeps…

  127. Newt explained his space strategy tonight on Greta and it is AWESOME! 80-90% funding would come from private sector of millionaires and billionaires. That is good news; and would be just the spark that this country needs to be optimistic again. But we have to have a majority in the house and senate as well as the oval office.

  128. ShortTermer
    I like Newt’s plan to kick start the space program too, my dad worked on the space program in the mid seventies and we lived in Coco Beach, so hated when Barry shut it down.

  129. jbstonesfan, I think that you are not giving Newt enough credit. I also believe that the Republican establishment is blatantly trying to steer voters away from him much like the Dimocratic brass tried to squelch support for Hillary back in 2008. They are trying to shove their chosen candidate down the voter’s throat, and one of their weapons has been misinformation. That should make people squirm a little because it is deja vu of 2008, but different political party. As for my comment about not giving Newt more credit, I wrote that for the following reason. Back when Gingrich first became Speaker of the House, if I remember correctly, he indicated that he would have the majority in the House flip from Dimocrat to Republican. Very few believed him, but for the first time in like 40 or 50 years, that’s exactly what took place. If anyone is trying to throw an election, it’s the Republican establishment which is attacking one of its own instead of letting the voters have their say. The establishment types of both parties really hate when they don’t have control. They need to be shown that they answer to the people, and not the other way around. Newt can win. I think a win for him in Florida will make even more people consider him as viable.

  130. I don’t consider the Palin’s as elitist. They may have come into money more recently, yet they are not out there mixing it up with the upper crust. Additionally, there is nothing that I have ever heard the Palin’s say that would support the elitist label. That is one of the things that I admire about them. They are pretty much ordinary, and not walking around with their noses up in the air.

  131. Betty
    January 27th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    Tony Stark
    January 27th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    I don’t know who you are, but I know who nomobama is and if the two of you were standing arguing I would have no problem telling which one was you.
    ——————-
    What do you mean exactly?

  132. don’t consider the Palin’s as elitist. They may have come into money more recently

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    They certainly aren’t. And they didn’t ‘come into money’, they earned it themselves, starting from nothing, building their own business.

  133. If we thought the last 3 yrs was a recession, if these jokers get to fool us again, what they have in store for us will set us back 100 yrs. And to ensure their uninterrupted reign of unending austerity

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    I’m glad you agree that ‘austerity’ is an elitist ploy. Their motive being cheap land and cheap servants?

  134. nomobama: If anyone is trying to throw an election, it’s the Republican establishment which is attacking one of its own instead of letting the voters have their say.
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    Yes. And they are a little more open about it. Something I appreciate, although it’s not anywhere near enough to satisfy my hunger for fair play.
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    Mrs. Smith: “How about that debate last night? Wasn’t that fun?” Romney asked
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    Just as contrived as any of Obama’s obvious attempts when correcting a negative. Yet it will fly.
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    nomobama again: thanks for Sarah’s latest. It is always clearer for me when she says it.

  135. Elliott Abrams Caught Misleading on Newt

    By Jeffrey Lord

    As Ronald Reagan used to say: Well…

    Yesterday we took note of former Reagan State Department official Elliott Abrams’ piece over at NRO that went after Newt Gingrich on his relationship with Reagan. While voting regularly with Reagan as a young congressman from Georgia, Gingrich, claimed Abrams, “often spewed insulting rhetoric at Reagan, his top aides and his policies to defeat Communism.” Abrams then goes on to cite ” a famous floor statement Gingrich made on March 21, 1986.”

    http://spectator.org/blog/2012/01/27/elliott-abrams-caught-misleadi

  136. Confirmed: Romneycare = Obamacare

    The Beacon Hill Institute study found that, on average, Romneycare:

    •    cost the Bay State 18,313 jobs;

    •    drove up total health insurance costs in Massachusetts by $4.311 billion;

    •    slowed the growth of disposable income per person by $376; and

    •    reduced investment in Massachusetts by $25.06 million.

    And remember that RomneyCare relied on FedGovCare as a sturdy crutch: “He also noted the state’s health-care costs have been heavily subsidized by billions of dollars in federal aid through a Medicaid waiver program.”

    http://michellemalkin.com/2012/01/26/confirmed-romneycare-obamacare/

  137. holdthemaccountable
    January 28th, 2012 at 6:31 am

    Wbboei’s comment explains it all. He surrounds himself with co-dependents who get their own rewards from working for him. He is extremely manipulative and mean as hell. And he is not stable psychologically. He needs to be pushed until he bugs out. Gov Brewer was a nice start.

  138. Gov Brewer was a nice start.
    ________

    Exactly- especially coming from a woman…

    Hasn’t AZ been singled out having someone going on trial for an assassination threat to Obama-

    Shooting over 100 holes in a T-Shirt emblazoned w/Obama’s picture?

  139. Just my opinion,

    For the most part, I stayed off the site, that I have come to love so much, yesterday because all of a sudden the “rehash” of Bill Clinton’s infidelity issues because the lead story here.

    I’m not sure why it came up again after all these years but I have always felt that it was none of my business. Do I like what happened? No. Do I dwell on it when he has done so much since then to the betterment of the world around us? No.

    He was a great leader and that is what mattered to me. As far as the rest goes, this is a family matter and I feel bad that it returns year after year like a bad penny.

  140. holdthemaccountable
    January 28th, 2012 at 6:31 am
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    Thanks for reminding people to read wbboei’s posting. It was very enlightening. Obama is a monster. Can he make Americans believe whatever he wants them to believe? Not me! LOL!

    I wonder what kind of damage this type of personality does to its offspring? Are his daughters in any kind of danger due to their exposure to his illness?

  141. “because the lead story here.”
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    Well, I can set your mind at ease- I have another take. Most likely caused by the neverending delusions of one poster here that continues her work as the Chief Misinformant always working to undermine the Truth with factual misrepresentations.

    I believe what you are talking about is the missive expressed by many as the main reason for not supporting Newt as the R nominee because of his role during the Impeachment fiasco castigating Clinton for his infidelities.

    When in fact, the infidelities had nothing to do with his Impeachment but they were the conduit for getting BC to commit perjury to federal investigators. (same thing happened to Martha Stewart and the only reason for her subsequent incarceration)

    Depending on how you prefer looking at it… reversing the coin, the glass half full and many other examples that have duplicitous meanings… I could say, Newt Gingrich was instrumental in saving Bill Clinton’s future as a career philanthropist.

    For whatever constitutes addiction in the 21st century, lets just say serial ‘infidelity’ was not among those listed in the 20th century. Not commonly seen as the usual accepted addictions to fast food, crack, ICE, heroin, MJ, morphine and the like.

    Had BC not been stopped or prevented from carrying on a life style that might have proved ruinous to his destiny when it was- He may never be the man he is today because he might have occupied his spare time continuing in an addiction that was a self-serving form of gratification instead of the wonderful world he has created as a positive role model for the World through his Clinton Global Initiative.

    As has been said, the Clintons have forgiven those who persecuted them. Forgetting is another case study altogether,

    “Always forgive your enemies – nothing annoys them so much.” Oscar Wilde

  142. nomobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    holdthemaccountable
    January 28th, 2012 at 6:31 am
    ————-
    Thanks for reminding people to read wbboei’s posting. It was very enlightening. Obama is a monster. Can he make Americans believe whatever he wants them to believe? Not me! LOL!

    I wonder what kind of damage this type of personality does to its offspring? Are his daughters in any kind of danger due to their exposure to his illness?
    __________

    Truthfully, I can see wbb’s point of taking a vast amount of time assembling a professional profile of our dear president because his actions affect millions upon millions of people not only here but around the world. People need to be aware, he is not your bread and butter politician.

    To your point of Obama’s daughters though. Michelle would be their closest source of shaping their personalities and beliefs. I have read articles analyzing her personality disorder written by a well known accredited shrink.. and what struck me in reading the analysis was the similarities between Michelle and Obama’s mother, an anthropologist for the express reason of using that knowledge for the ultimate destruction of America.

  143. I understand forgiveness. That concept is very hard for me. I seem to carry grudges.

    With the description of Os personality, and his ties to the Chicago group, I don’t think there is anyone in the Dems group strong enough to throw him out of running.

  144. NMF

    “With the description of Os personality, and his ties to the Chicago group, I don’t think there is anyone in the Dems group strong enough to throw him out of running.”
    __________

    Yup, that is the problem stonewalling us. His base of support, his dedicated sycophants have either bought off most of our senators and reps with favors granted in the way of federal aid, funding interests in the way of promoting good will to their constituency or through monetary remuneration benefiting them in other ways going undetected from the customary means of paper transaction records. Without overstating the dimension and depth of corruption used by the Obama WH as a means for corrupting the very representatives we depend on for having our voices heard in government. What it comes down to is this…

    Thinking about the situation we are in- I went back in history to the impetus of the Founding Fathers creation of our bedrock documents such as The Constitution, The Bill of Rights and The Three Branches of Government. With their specifically chosen words and vagaries as described in each document- I was not only surprised but disappointed to learn their only remedy offered ending the hostile control of the states by an egregious federal government is Revolution. They in their infinite wisdom knew someday this day would be upon us… if one of their per-requisites in the Constitution was changed or ignored. The one stating a candidate for the US presidency MUST be a Natural Born Citizen.. looking back, is where the unraveling all began. A failed vetting process committed by a group of men who need to be held accountable for the destruction to this country if they do not reverse course before it’s too late.

  145. I was just thinking of the conversations on the blog lately, pros and cons of mainly Newt…and how strange the conversations will get when Hillary steps down and during the primary…and when there is a new Rethug President.

    Will the news about our girl go mainly silent for 5 years?
    Will Big Pink embrace the rethug President?

    For me, it’s kinda depressing….

  146. Shadowfax, I was thinking something similar yesterday. My political beliefs are in the process of change which can be attributed to things that happened personally to me during the 2000’s, plus what I, in an already disillusioned state witnessed in 2008 with regards to the presidential election. I have tilted in a more conservative direction as I was forced to examine what my core beliefs were, or had become. I am not ashamed of my transformation, but rather relieved that I don’t succumb to the brainwashing of one political party anymore. I was a political zombie pulling the lever for Democrats because that was all I knew. Now, that’s not the case. I despise the Dimocratic party, and find myself more in synch with a conservative outlook on many things, yet not all. Yesterday, I wondered if my blog friends today would become my blog enemies sometime in the future. The answer to that question is that I think that I can recognize if a website is ideological in outlook, or if it is more truthful in delivery without adding a lot of spin. I still find His44 to be based on bare facts, so I feel comfortable here, even though I realize some of the other commenters are apparently stuck in the Republican vs Democrat paradigm where everything good only emanates from the Dimocratic party, even to go so far as to excuse illegality because that illegality was committed by someone they admire and support. I like my new found independence. As for this blog, I suspect it will continue on as a conduit of reality regardless of if Hillary continues in the political arena. I will continue to visit here as long as I believe this to be true.

    One other point. S wrote a comment about shilling for Republicana to which I wanted to respond. I shill for what I believe is right, and “right” no longer wears a party label. I am with the admin in that the Dimocratic party needs to be destroyed for a myriad of reasons. I will do what I can to see that it happens. I remain a registered Democrat only because I like to let people know that not all Democrats are of the same mold. For now, that suits me, but tha could conceivably change in the future.

  147. Nomobama

    I can see from your comments over time that you feel more comfortable going further to the conservative side than I do. You seem to be more religious than I am, for one thing. I lean more to the center left, and a woman’s right to choose. So for me, I want a president that is more of a centrist like Paul, Trump or someone that doesn’t take away social rights of the Dems. Rove v Wade and stem cell research, for example are very important to me. So, will pinkers divide into two sides with a new Republican president, or will our admin help us find a way to respect the differences we all share? I hope so because if not, this long strange trip since 2007 will come to an end for some folks….and that will be really sad.

  148. When in fact, the infidelities had nothing to do with his Impeachment but they were the conduit for getting BC to commit perjury to federal investigators. (same thing happened to Martha Stewart and the only reason for her subsequent incarceration)

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    Exactly! Thanks for adding the detail about the sex inquisition being the connection to get him questioned under oath so that he could be accused of ‘perjury’.

    This is the point I have been making all along. Bill could not have avoided impeachment by avoiding sex scandal. The impeachers were determined to find some pretext for an accusation to fill into the impeachment papers they had already written. Perjury is a useful accusation (as with Martha Stewart). If sex accusers had not been there, they would have questioned him about campaign donations or something else, with confusing questions or questions misrepresented, and accused him of perjury on that non-sexual topic.

  149. has anyone else noticed that almost every single time anyone attacks or makes a direct statement to NG, his automatic response is to say “that is not true’, that “that person has a history of making false statements”, etc…

    he has used this response with everyone in the debates…Bachman was not truthful, Ron Paul is not honest, Santorum is not honest, of course, Romney is the biggest liar of all of them…

    according to NG, they are all wrong and dishonest and have a history of that behavior…but not him…

    to hear G talk, he is the only person on earth telling (his version) of the “truth”

    it is that sense of his own omnipotence that disturbs me greatly…his personality has alot in common with O’s narcissism…

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    nomobama said:

    One other point. S wrote a comment about shilling for Republicana to which I wanted to respond. I shill for what I believe is right, and “right” no longer wears a party label. I am with the admin in that the Dimocratic party needs to be destroyed for a myriad of reasons. I will do what I can to see that it happens. I remain a registered Democrat only because I like to let people know that not all Democrats are of the same mold. For now, that suits me, but tha could conceivably change in the future.

    ******************************

    I don’t see any disagreement…I feel the same way…I left the labels behind a long time ago…any discussion I contribute is geared towards who I honestly think is the best person to beat O…no one knows what will happen…and I am open to all POV’s and ideas…

    I agree with Southern Born, Trixta and others who have stated that none of us should be personally attacked for our opinions…on occasion I do think there are some here that do use that personal attack tactic and are a bit heavy handed in trying to exert control over others and that is unfortunate…I try to overlook it and scroll on by…

  150. I find it amusing that someone worth 14.5 Million says she’s not in the 1%. A home valued at 5 million.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/28/ows-founder-elizabeth-warren-says-shes-not-in-the-1-despite-being-worth-14-5-million/

    I don’t begrudge her her millions, she’s got more money than 99% of the American public. But apparently she thinks me as a small business owner isn’t paying enough. If wants redistribution, then she should distribute her own millions of dollars.

    And since she has mutual funds in TIAA-CREF, no doubt she’s got investments in Freddie and Fannie, but don’t tell that to the Obama media, they’ll run interference for her. The amount of hypocracy no longer ceases to amaze me. Squeeze out all the small business owners and those that want to aspire to be rich and success, that’s the democrat motto now.

    I agree with noobama, the “”democratic” party need to be destroyed”, this is nothing like the party of JFK any longer. Classwarfare, marxism, bowing to other countries, making fun of blue collar bitter clinging americans.. and on and on…etc.

  151. I’m not sure why it came up again after all these years but I have always felt that it was none of my business.

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    It came up because some people are trying to justify Gingrich for impeaching Bill. THey’re justifying Gingrich by saying that Bill deserved it or that it did him good!

  152. I find it amusing that someone worth 14.5 Million says she’s not in the 1%. A home valued at 5 million.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/28/ows-founder-elizabeth-warren-says-shes-not-in-the-1-despite-being-worth-14-5-million/

    ====================

    Where in that article does Warren say she is “not in the 1%”? The 1% refers to annual income of over $380-400,000, which it says she has. (It does not refer to home value.)

    Anyway it’s a sleezy written article, twisting her words on other things. And where is any evidence that she is a “founder” of OWS????

    Still I’m glad to see many of the commentors don’t like Scott Brown either.

  153. turndownobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Exactly! Thanks for adding the detail about the sex inquisition being the connection to get him questioned under oath so that he could be accused of ‘perjury’.

    This is the point I have been making all along. Bill could not have avoided impeachment by avoiding sex scandal.
    ______________

    As usual, you return over and over again declaring yourself RIGHT! When in fact you have a problem reading and disseminating facts from the beginning. That BC was NOT convicted at all of Impeachment on charges of infidelity or that of making a false statement to federal investigators during the course of the investigation. Which you fail to understand, it does not and never did rise to the level needed for an Impeachment conviction. High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

    And further, you delight in muck-raking the past continuing to bring up taking up valuable time from other discussions unrelated to your narcissist behavior because your too lazy to pick up a book and read it to conclusion expecting people here to clear up your mistakes and educate you.

  154. turndownobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    I’m not sure why it came up again after all these years but I have always felt that it was none of my business.

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    It came up because some people are trying to justify Gingrich for impeaching Bill. THey’re justifying Gingrich by saying that Bill deserved it or that it did him good!
    ____________

    Gingrich was one of a House majority that voted for Impeachment. Henry Hyde is the one with the sole responsibly of leading and pursuing Impeachment.

    Yet again- another of your misleading posts demonstrating once again the danger of anyone having an inclination to believe anything you have to say-

  155. nomobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    Excellent comment. I’m probably more conservative that you, I always considered myself a JFK dem, I’m pro-life, but my wife is not (but she’s not pro-abortion either, she’s old enough to remember when women didn’t have the choice and so I respect that, but now a days its more pro-abortion, than pro-choice), but both of us were in agreement with what Bill called “rare, legal and safe”, that every life has value and every life is precious. And I’m pro-gay marriage, according to each state; so long as states that ban it treat every individual’s rights the same regardless of sex, race, etc, so I’m probably more libertarian when it comes to social issues, and I always thought Ron Paul’s position of civil unions made sense. My wife is still a registered dem, and still gets calls for donations from the DNC, I won’t repeat what she says to them. But I’m a registered independent now.

    So as you so astutely pointed out when it comes to labels, where would I fit in? I’m not exactly a social conservative though I’m pro-life, but I’m a staunch fiscal and limited govt conservative, pro-america, pro-US consitution. Labels don’t mean anymore. There was a time when democrats and repubs both believed in the US consitutition, so the foundation of the individual liberty, etc was the same in both parties. I cannot say that’s true anymore, especially of the democrats. The tea party is something I do identify, of course then the DNC calls me a racist, but of course they called me that when I supported Hillary and Mccain/Palin.

  156. tim
    January 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Yes, I know tim- no need to remind me.

    However, being you are a MA resident how did you miss all the relevant facts about Romney regarding his bleeding MA citizens and small businesses dry through the additional tax burdens he imposed on them and the scourge of Romney-care the model used to create Obama-care?

  157. Mrs Smith

    Actually I’m not a MA resident, I do know some small business owners in that state. You are correct in stating the tax burdens created in that state by that mandate. That’s why I don’t agree with it, nor did I agree with Obamacare. Its a massive burden on businesses, especially smaller ones, who cannot afford it, and unlike bigger companies, the margins for staying afloat are not calculated in years, but months. The impact will be devastating.

  158. S,
    I appreciate/respect your comment to me. I read your “shill” comment as those who support Gingrich as doing so in an uninformed manner. I didn’t take it personally, but I felt it warranted a response. I believe Newt to be the stronger opponent for Obama, although I inderstand why others wouldn’t think he would be. Again, just a difference of opinion, and other’s opinions are what blogging is all about. Letting others know where one stands is important for blog interaction.

    I also don’t mind reading the different ponts of view here, even turndownobama’s. :). I believe it to be true democracy in action. I know things get a little rough sometimes, and I take it with a grain of salt. As far as personal attacks, they are fairly mild, and I think that’s because we self-regulate ourselves for the most part. I try not to get too personal because I really do believe that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and it would be unfair to try to silence anyone. Whoever has something aimed at them should just let it slide right off because at the end of the day, we are all hoping for the same thing… the defeat of Obama in 2012.

  159. “As far as personal attacks, they are fairly mild, and I think that’s because we self-regulate ourselves for the most part.”
    ___________

    I think the word “attack” is in overdrive on this forum. Anyone with a difference of opinion and willing to discuss the differences is viewed as a bully or an attacker. Which leads me to wonder if the people making the accusation have ever really sustained an actual personal attack..because there sure is as much difference in using that/those word/s as there is in crying wolf or foul every time there is a difference of opinion.

  160. nomobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 1:39 am

    Betty
    January 27th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    Tony Stark
    January 27th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
    I don’t know who you are, but I know who nomobama is and if the two of you were standing arguing I would have no problem telling which one was you.
    ——————-
    What do you mean exactly?

    Sorry nomobama, I jumped to a conclusion.

    I check back with H44 fairly often during a day and when I do I click on the Comment RSS to get to the comments then I scroll back to where I left off. As I did that the other day I noticed that Tony Stark
    January 27th, 2012 at 9:21 p comment by Tony Stark. Just because I have a friend whose last name is Stark I guess. When I read it I misunderstood and thought he was being nasty to you. I read and appreciate your comments and so he irritated me and put my two cents in. In an answering comment he straightened me out and I told him I am sorry and I apologize to you too.

  161. Henry Hyde is the one with the sole responsibly of leading and pursuing Impeachment.

    ========================

    LOL! Even Gingrich hasn’t used that excuse.

  162. I’m doing some housecleaning and came across this. You probably remember it, and the link still works. Originally I took just the last paragraph, but there’s so much more that I’ve taken many snips hoping to portray the content more fully. (Not that it is anything we don’t know and didn’t know back then.

    Pinch yourself
    14 October 2008

    The contrast between, on the one hand, the huge amount of material about Obama’s radical associations that has been published in on-line journals and in a few brave newspapers, and on the other the refusal by big media to address it and to vilify those who do, becomes more astounding by the day. The Obamaniacs are spinning the relationship between Obama and William Ayers, former of Weather Undergound Terrorism Inc, as of no consequence because this was supposedly a chance acquaintance and because the educational project they worked on, the Annenberg Challenge, was a worthy one.

    Stanley Kurtz now nails that canard snip
    back in June Kurtz pointed to evidence that Obama shared the black racism of the Trinity United Church of Christ. In this article Obama was reported as rejecting ‘integrationist assimilation’ and wanting to channel black rage more effectively into political organisation. Kurtz dug out a chapter in a 1990 book called After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois in which Obama sketched out how radical black churches could be harnessed to help radicalise the black population.snip
    Those few brave souls who do try to enlighten the public about all this come up against the kind of intimidation by Camp Obama charted here by Michael Barone: snip
    Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Mr. Obama’s ties to Mr. Ayers.

    No such threats, of course, will be made against this new book whose publication is tactfully timed for next year so as not to frighten the horses — Race Course Against White Supremacy, by none other than William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

    You have to pinch yourself – a Marxisant radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so.
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2293196/pinch-yourself.thtml

  163. Mrs. Smth, that’s why I used the word ‘mild’. I am not sure if some of what might be deemed as strong language at best is actually personal attacks. If someone feels as if he or she was attacked in a personal way, I would like an example of such. I agree that crying wolf can be used as a means of squelching comments, and I would not want to see that happen. Now if an Obot were to show up here, my rules of engagement woud be different, as in ready, aim, fire!

    I was going to respond to Shadowfax and Tim again, but my comment disappeared after I had typed most of it, and I am out of time for now. Perhaps I’ll get to respond again tonight.

  164. BC was NOT convicted at all of Impeachment on charges of infidelity or that of making a false statement to federal investigators during the course of the investigation.

    =====================

    ‘Impeachment’ is like ‘indicted’; it means being formally charged whether later found guilty or not.

    ‘Impeachment’ means being charged by the House and brought to trial in the Senate. Gingrich et al did this. Bill was ‘impeached’ but later found not guilty of the charge of perjury.

    That’s also the way the word is generally used. ‘The Impeachment’ is what Gingrich and the House actually did: the whole fiasco.

  165. Betty
    January 28th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
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    LOL! No problem there. I remember thinking “How does Betty know me?” 🙂

  166. nomobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    I also don’t mind reading the different ponts of view here, even turndownobama’s. 🙂 . I believe it to be true democracy in action.

    I agree, in thinking about what to say when you asked me what I meant exactly above, I started remembering the old day when we were all so cut off from each other and had to depend on national tv. I remember how bewildered I sometimes felt when Tim Rusert or Brit Hume or Kokie Roberts sat and told us what Americans think and I didn’t think that at all. I thank God for the internet and the chance to read what the people really think – even if a real nasty commenter comes along now and again or if I embarrass my self by jumping to a wrong conclusion.

  167. Tony Stark seems cool. I pay attention to his? comments. They are few and far between, but worthwhile to read.

  168. I still get bewildered when I hear the MSM spouting off! I now chalk it up to them just trying to pull a fast one. I don’t have much trust left for them anymore. Did you catch the recent article about the free press in America being something like 47th place compared to the rest of the world? I will copy the article to here if I find it again. Free is not so much free anymore, is it?

  169. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091948/U-S-falls-47th-press-freedom-rankings-Occupy-crackdown.html

    Apparently, the US rank of 47th on a scale tha measures press freedom is due to the many arrests of reporters trying to cover the OWS Circus. Jeesh! One would think that it would have had more to do with a press not behaving like a free press as in fabricating news, hiding newsworthy news, and showing outright bias in reporting instead of being impartial while reporting truthfully.

  170. nomobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

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    agree…

    enough said…I think we can all read between the lines and pick up on the obvious…

  171. I am disturbed by something. Gingrich is being crucified by the ESTABLISHMENT faction of the Republican army, pundits, and know-it-alls, and too-stupid-to-know-any-betters; they are treating citizens just like the HOMER SIMPSONS that ObaMAO’s Regulartory Czar,Cass Sunstein, named them.
    After watching the ESTABLISHMENT Republicans in motion during the last campaign, I fear everything they stand for and promote. It is my estimation that they actually wanted ObaMAO to win and sent out McCain as a stooge; then went ballistic when Palin joined the ticket. My youngest son said that all along, that the Republicans did not want to win the 2008 election; that whoever occupied the oval office would be a sacrifical lamb…..guess they did not count on what might happen to the country would be even worse than what they expected.
    Now all that is bad enough, and makes me glad that I too am not subject to affiliation with any party. But the new twiest is that it seems that all the ObaMAO psycophants are chiming in with the crucifixion of Gingrich. I have a FaceBook group that has about 4500 ‘friends’ that promotes the history of my hometown area. I have posted a couple of ‘mild’ political posts and got creamed for it. My NewFeed is so very interesting; the people who still promote ObaMAO have no hesitation in posting promotions of him and his upcoming reselection and some really inflammatory stuff promoting him. They are getting ‘talking points’ from somewhere as a lot of them are verbatim. There is one woman who is posting charts of pure fiction promoting ObaMAO; and I am having such a hard time not rebutting them. There were some brave souls that posted that the one chart highlighting ObaMAO has having helped the economy was not true, but that was about as strong as supporting real facts became.
    And just this last week, the misinformation on Gringrich from the Republican ESTABLISHMENT has doubled down; and the misinformation and outright lies has tripled the doubledown of the Republican ESTABLISHMENT and is coming from the ObaMAO supporters. And that disturbs me. 2008 all over again? Be for or against whoever you want to be, but do your own research on your candidate and do not rely on dopes to inform you.

  172. Here is one response given to another poster who was posting about Mitt: If people think we have it bad now, wait til somebody like he, or Newt get in, Then they will blame Obama, but you dont see Obama blaming Bush, and I feel it is Bush’s Fault!!!! Just My Opinion LOL
    2 minutes ago · Like

  173. After watching the ESTABLISHMENT Republicans [….] It is my estimation that they actually wanted ObaMAO to win and sent out McCain as a stooge; then went ballistic when Palin joined the ticket. My youngest son said that all along, that the Republicans did not want to win the 2008 election; that whoever occupied the oval office would be a sacrifical lamb….

    ===============

    Could be. I’m kind of surprised that TPTB in the GOP aren’t more in control of the nomination process, in 2008 or now.

    Unless they want Pres Obama as a scapegoat 2012-2016 too. Why should they bother having a GOP President, when DINO Obama gives them everything they want anyway?

  174. turndownobama
    January 28th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    After watching the ESTABLISHMENT Republicans [….] It is my estimation that they actually wanted ObaMAO to win and sent out McCain as a stooge; then went ballistic when Palin joined the ticket. My youngest son said that all along, that the Republicans did not want to win the 2008 election; that whoever occupied the oval office would be a sacrifical lamb….

    ===============

    Could be. I’m kind of surprised that TPTB in the GOP aren’t more in control of the nomination process, in 2008 or now.

    Unless they want Pres Obama as a scapegoat 2012-2016 too. Why should they bother having a GOP President, when DINO Obama gives them everything they want anyway?

    +++++++++++++++

    All of that is true, and it is all about getting Jeb Bush elected in 2016. George H W and Jeb just paid a visit to Obama this past week. Romney is scripted to loose to Obama just as McCain was. Imagine their panic when McCain started to gain ground because of Sarah. Sarah thought it was only the left who was after her.

    The longer the primaries go on the more we will see the ruthlessness of the Republican establishment, same as we did in the Democrat party. It was a horrible experience but worth it and will be worth it again if the Republican base get their eye opened too.

    Neither party has our best interests at heart and by the time any one person runs for office from either party they have been captured and compromised and are of no use to us.

  175. Betty
    January 28th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Thanks Betty for posting that bit of news.

    Then it’s NO surprise the reason why Gingrich is being attack from every direction full on and frontal from the media.

    Gingrich is NOT their Boy! He is NOT an approved candidates by the elites because he cannot/willnot be controlled by them.

    Much the way Hillary was dismissed when it came down to the nomination. Shoved aside without a whimper coming from any democrats.

    Bush has signaled support for Romney- Romney must have agreed to step aside for Jeb in 2016 giving him a full 8 yrs to take the country further down the drain.

    Brokaw called out Romney for using him in an oppo attack ad against Newt- here

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/nbc-asks-romney-to-take-down-antinewt-ad-using-brokaw-112654.html

  176. Bush has signaled support for Romney- Romney must have agreed to step aside for Jeb in 2016

    =============

    Something like that might actually make sense. More likely offer Jeb the VP in 2016 (if he doesn’t want it now).

  177. Have any of you seen the chart that seems to be the favorite tool now of the ObaMAO supporters? Its title is Who Increased the Debt and is a bar chart with photos at the top of the bars and reads like this: Readon 189% from 1981-1989;GHW Bush 55% from 1989-1993; Clinton 37% from 1993-2001; GW Bush 115% from 2001-2009; Obama 16% from 2009-2011.At the bottom it reads: Increase of Public Debt, Office of the Democratic Leader 5/3/11, source Treasury Department.

    It is lighting up Facebook on posts like a Christmas tree………..are all those ObamAO supporters all Homer Simpsons??????? Do they not know propaganda when they see it? Do they not know how to interpret a chart???????????????? Jesus, this country is so much worse off than I ever imagined.

  178. They are throwing the kitchen sink at Gingrich…
    The ole Pit Bull is standing firm not giving an inch of ground…

    Now that is an American trait…
    the Underdog giving the elitists a hard time.

    Oh, Boy- this is going to be a real nail biter to the bitter end-

  179. Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite — a select group of people with intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.
    ***************
    Their all elites…

  180. “The Reuters news service once again has made itself a laughingstock by publishing a mistake-riddled hit piece on Marco Rubio, all but ruling him out as a vice presidential nominee for the GOP because of alleged financial problems. Many of which turned out to be untrue. Five corrections were necessary.”

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/reuters_busted_on_rubio_hit_piece.html#ixzz1kp0txbHx
    __________

    For my money the hit piece against Marco Rubio is the work of the Bush family. If Marco Rubio accepted an offer of running mate and they won that would effectively end Jeb’s chances to be president for maybe 16 years – a long enough time for the Bush family to finally lose their grip on power. (Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen and so I am regretfully opposed to him as VP even though I a writing this.) I believe Mitt would never go against Bushes and select Marco Rubio for a running mate. The Bushes have been there done that with McCain and Sarah so I am sure they have a tight hold on Romney. But they have no control of Newt and he just might ask Marco – so the hit piece. At least that is how I see it.

    Old Barbra is probably twisting balls from here to Huston.

    Gosh I hope FLA doesn’t give it to Mitt.

  181. ShortTermer, I rarely access Facebook. Where do you find the Obama nonsense? I heard through a sibling that there are also anti-Obama rants on Facebook. I wonder how significant these rants are.

  182. you must study the response by the elites. It is much like the scene in the movie Titanic. After the ship strikes the iceberg, the wealthy passengers man their own gold plated lifeboats. Everyone else is left to the cold, dark, icy water.
    The political class is living large these days. In most parts of the country, real estate values are at rock bottom, but they are surging in the Washington DC area. They do not want their world to change under any circumstances.
    That is why they picked Obama and promote him the way they do. They own him, he can bamboozle the masses and he is their golden handshake. At the same time, they can use him to strip wealth from the middle class and make the working class dependent on government hand-outs. That in a nutshell is their survival strategy.

    The elites know that Mr. Obama displays a cosmic vision, lives in a fantasy world and engages in magic thinking—cultish. It does not bother them. But it did bother French President who had to remind Obama that we live in a real world not a virtual one. Also, Obama is more interested in public relations than policy, theater than reality. (See Dr. Sam Vaknin; see also Dr. Charles Krauthammer; the apology tour).

    They favor Romney over Gingrich for the
    same reason as they favor Obama. Romney is one of them and he will not rock their boat. Therefore, he is a safe alternative if the great unwashed mutiny and toss Corpse-man Obama overboard in 2012.
    Gingrich on the other hand will rock their boat if necessary, to get the country on the right track. Therefore, the elites are using the media they own to force Gingrich out of the race. The decision by ABC to release an interview of his ex-wife 3 days before the South Carolina primary is the latest example of the perversity they call vetting.
    For them, vetting is strictly a one way street. For as former USA Today White House Correspondent Richard Benedetto noted recently, the elite media never ask Obama the tough questions they ask Republicans. Instead, they “let Obama skate above the fray and look presidential while his potential successors appear to be futilely flailing. It is by White House design, aided by a press corps that seems content with being shut out by the president and being spoon-fed the message of the day, rather than clamoring for more chances to ask him questions during this critical time.”
    The precedent for this was the assault on Hillary Clinton. Like Gingrich, her goal was
    to save the middle class; therefore they used the elite media to eliminate her. They launched shrill attacks against her, claimed she wanting Obama assassinated and threatened a new round of sexual innuendo against Bill to force her out of the race.
    On the eve of the primary, CNN hired marketing experts to come up with words like polarizing and divisive, etc., salted their panels with Obama loving pundits who repeated those words with regularity, took unflattering pictures, reduced coverage, rigged debates, etc—I campaigned for Hillary in 4 states. I know whereof I speak.
    The last thing in the world the elites and the political class want is to give you or me a voice in the debate—or any say in our collective future. As Professor Sheldon Wollin has observed the goal of the elites is to turn elections into public relations events which give the appearance of democracy, but the choice is between personalities– not policies. And our elite media are the Barnum and Bailey of this fatuous circus.

  183. Fourth, you must realize where this trail will end. If all we get is Romney,– or God forbid Obama, then our economy is likely to tank and rebellion in some form is not unlikely. “For Tommy ain’t no bloomin’ fool; you bet that Tommy sees!”—Kipling.
    The ultimate beneficiary of this train wreck however will be China. They have too little land, and too much money. They are backing out of treasuries, moving into commodities, and purchasing land around the world.
    When Obama took office, he had an executive order prepared which would permit massive Chinese immigration to this country to purchase distressed real estate. They would work in their homes over the internet and not take US jobs. I heard this from an inside source and nothing further about this until recently.
    I am told that a month ago, National Public Radio reported that 40% of the foreclosed properties in the Las Vegas market have been sold for cash to Chinese nationals. That could be the first move in a long term strategy. There were rumors that this was happening in Idaho, but I checked into it and it is was false.
    The elites in this country, who see themselves as “Citizens of the World”, would be perfectly amenable to such an arrangement because it would enhance their wealth. Never mind our sovereignty. They would argue that it is no different than when Japan bought Rockefeller Center and 17 Mile Drive in the late 1980s.
    That is pure sophistry. Japan was not a military power. Japan was not trying to steal our military secrets (those that Obama’s Jobs Czar did not give them on his own). And, most important, Japan did not have a billion people that need. . . . Lebensraum.
    If you think I am selling our elites short, consider what has been happening on our southern border for a generation. We are being invaded, but the elites are all for paying the Dane-Geld. Republicans are unwilling to throw the book at the businesses who hire them. Democrats are keen to grant them citizenship in exchange for votes.
    In the final analysis, this is a fight about land and who owns it; a country and who runs it; a nominee who will represent the interests of the American People; and why in the overall scheme of things, 2012 is really and truly a tipping point.
    If we fail in this mission, then the elites will have their pyrrhic victory. But in the fulsomeness of time they may be surprised to discover that the people who were once at their feet are now at their throats. No rational person wants that to happen

    It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
    To call upon a neighbour and to say: —
    “We invaded you last night–we are quite prepared to fight,
    Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
    And the people who ask it explain
    That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
    And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

    It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
    To puff and look important and to say: —
    “Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
    We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we’ve proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.

    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
    For fear they should succumb and go astray;
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
    You will find it better policy to say: —

    “We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that pays it is lost!”

  184. Oops, that didn’ work. Sorry. If you highlight the entire link; it takes you to one instance of the chart.

  185. Herman Cain endorses Gingrich. Santorum knows the Governor of Puerto Rico, wonder why he didnot get the endorsement. And Gingrich hinted that he might choose Rubio for something special….maybe VP?

  186. wbboei, a local lawyer and fellow ‘friend’ on Facebook says the same thing you have written above; just not so eloquently.

  187. nomobama:

    An easier way to access the chart is to Google the following phrase: office of the democratic leader who increased the debt

    Evidently San Fran Nan has been promoting this chart! But Obama supporters are eating it up…………is the whole Dimocratic nation populated by Homers?

  188. Here are some responses to San Fran Nan’s chart for Dumb A$$es$:

    Which President of the United States increased the debt the most since 1980?
    Source: The US Treasury

    — with Dennis Perry, Karen Lucas, Stephanie Thompson Harris, Joseph Jovan Vaughn, A RaeNee Jemison, Lisa Lucas, Victorallupinya Withglennability, Nena Gilreath, Karen Williams Idlett, Curtis Washington, Brian Keith McNeill, Jose Rivera, Leon Polk, Waverly Lucas, Victoria B. Edwards, Isaiah Pisces-moon, Allison Cooper-Whack, Lisa Lucas, Wanda Elliott, Robert G Mallory, Paul Schillo, Lisa Laude Raymond, Raymond Green, Preston Andrew Alexander Patterson, Pat Grumley, Albert Q. Hammonds Jr., Michael Stephen Wills, Michael Drayton Sr., Asa John Murray, Dorian R Clark Davis, Xenia M Roach and Sherri Palmer.

    Share · January 19

    38 people like this..

    24,276 shares

    Eugene Simpson Thanks for this revealing data!
    January 19 at 6:20pm · 2.

    Eugene Simpson Thanks for this data which belies the Republican debt narrative. Facts do matter!
    January 19 at 6:22pm · 2.

    Linda Tucker Thanks. If only voters more often read and researched and thought for themselves….
    January 19 at 6:48pm · 2.

    Mark Hagland This is wonderful, thanks so much, Barbara! I’m looking forward to the Republicans and Foxers trying to spin this…. LOL… In any case, thanks! Hugs, Mark
    January 19 at 8:00pm · 2.

    Barbara Wright-Pryor ‎Mark Hagland You’re welcome. My grandmother used to say, “Figures don’t lie, but liars do figure~!” I trust the chart prepared by the US Dept. of the Treasury. Hugs~! xoxoxo
    January 19 at 8:50pm · 5.

    Mark Hagland Dear Barbara, your grandmother was obviously a very wise woman! 🙂 And yes, really, what can the Repugs say about this, given that the Treasury Department prepared it?! LOL. Also, I just like the little heads sitting on top of the bars. Thanks again, and hugs back to you! 🙂 –Mark
    January 19 at 8:53pm · 1.

    Bertella R. Warren Thank you Barbara. Let’s hope this appears in the debate and the media.
    January 20 at 9:05pm.

    Tyrone Jones This is great info. Need to re-post!
    January 24 at 1:11pm · 1.

    Kamaria Singleton Reed So true!!!!! Need to share.
    January 24 at 9:02pm · 1.

    Ira Cambric What’s done in the dark always come to the light
    Thursday at 2:39am.

    Raymond P. Shephard Definitely for the record. Truth now speaks!
    Friday at 12:20pm

    _______________________________________________________

    And this was just one small sampling.

  189. [China has] too little land, and too much money. They are backing out of treasuries, moving into commodities, and purchasing land around the world.

    ========================

    Wise moves. I’d invest in land too, if I had anything to invest. One good thing, if the Chinese own land around the world, hopefully they won’t bomb it.

  190. So… Everything’s coming up roses? Guess that’s true in DC. Another area, not so much. Here are 3 of today’s headlines:

    Analyst: Pocono boom runs out of gas as cities grow more attractive
    Large-scale private community home construction, much of it sold to long-distance job commuters, might never return to the Poconos, even when the national housing recession ends, says a visiting fellow at a Washington, D.C., think tank.

    Poconos home building fell in ’11
    Monroe County’s new home construction rate continues to plunge, according to building permit figures compiled by the county Planning Department.

    Public pushes Pocono Township supervisors to cut additional full-time position
    The supervisors said they would cut one position to save money. But the members of the public wanted more — and got more.

  191. Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich or Sarah Palin, do not qualify as elites.

    Examples of the Elites we speak of are names like Rockefeller, Rothschild, Soros generally those that regularly are seen attending the Annual Bilderberg Meetings.
    ____________

    Blood Money-Mitt Romney

    Jan 27, 2012

    Debating in Tampa, Florida in late-January, while falsely characterizing Newt Gingrich’s income from his government consulting work, Mitt Romney denied that Bain did “any work with the government like Medicaid and Medicare”.

    Now we learn that Bain, under Romney’s “supervision”, purchased and ran the Damon Corporation, who pled guilty to Federal conspiracy charges as a result of tens of millions of dollars in systemic Medicare fraud committed under Romney’s and Bain’s control. Damon was fined over $119-million which was, at the time, the largest criminal healthcare fine in Massachusetts history and Mr. Romney’s participation was characterized in 1996 by Corporate Crime Reporter thusly:

    “As manager and board member of Damon Corp, Mitt Romney sits at the center of one of the top 15 corporate crimes of the 1990’s.” Watch the substantiated mini-documentary, BLOOD MONEY: MITT ROMNEY’S MEDICARE SCANDAL, to learn the truth about Mitt Romney.

    Great Ad- exposé:

    http://www.mittsbloodmoney.com/

  192. Palin: ‘Rage against the machine, vote for Newt, annoy a liberal’

    On Saturday night’s “Justice with Jeanine” on the Fox News Channel, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin once again stopped just short of giving former House Speaker Newt Gingrich her outright endorsement for the Republican nomination.

    In her appearance, she explained that despite criticisms of Gingrich’s long career in Washington, D.C., she doesn’t consider him part of the establishment because that same “establishment” is trying to hard to keep him from becoming the nominee.

    See video at link:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/28/palin-rage-against-the-machine-vote-for-newt-annoy-a-liberal/

  193. A friend of Israel- Wild Card upsetting the masterful planning of the elite’s agenda of choosing the next president. Don’t like Obama- Well, we’ve got a deal for you! Laughing behind our backs at the Homer Simpsons stuck on purist personalities as they prove once more, “They Choose our President.. Not US”.
    ____________

    The Man Behind Gingrich’s Money

    January 28, 2012

    The trip to Jordan by a group of United States congressmen was supposed to be a chance for them to meet the newly crowned King Abdullah II. But their tour guide had a more complicated agenda.

    The guide was Sheldon Adelson, a Las Vegas casino magnate who helped underwrite trips to the Middle East to win support for Israel in Congress. On this occasion in 1999, as the lawmakers enjoyed a reception at the Royal Palace in Amman, Mr. Adelson and an aide retreated to a private room with the king.

    There, the king listened politely as Mr. Adelson sat on a sofa and paged through his proposal for a gambling resort on the Jordan-Israel border to be called the Red Sea Kingdom.

    “This was shortly after his father, King Hussein, died, and he was grateful to me,” Mr. Adelson explained later in court testimony, recalling that he had lent his plane when the ailing monarch sought treatment in the United States. “So they remembered.”

    The proposal never went anywhere — Mr. Adelson later said he had feared that a Jewish-owned casino on Arab land “would have been blown to smithereens.” But his impromptu pitch to the Jordanian king highlights the boldness, if not audacity, that has propelled Mr. Adelson into the ranks of the world’s richest men and transformed him into a powerful behind-the-scenes player in American and international politics.

    Interesting read:

    pgs 1-2-3 @ link

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/us/politics/the-man-behind-gingrichs-money.html?_r=1&hp

  194. And next the New York Times is going to do an article on George Soros the man behind Obama’s money. Yeah…sure…like that would ever happen.

    Apart from the fact that both Adelson and Soros are Jews, are worth billions, and are self-made men, they do not otherwise appear to have anything in common; no, political ideology, no similar biography, and they certainly do not share a common commitment the Jewish religion or to Israel.

    There is no evidence that Adelson seeks to shape the world after his own ideology and is prepared to spend several fortunes doing it. There is no evidence that he, like Soros, meddles in the affairs of other countries.

    Finally, there is no evidence that Gingrich’s supporter is sinister, that he is tainted by collaboration with Nazis, that he has been indicted by foreign countries, that he has infiltrated and suborned an American political party, that he has undermined foreign governments or crashed currencies for personal profit.

    In short, he stands up very well in comparison to George Soros.

  195. Curious though, Bo’s adminstration has set his dogs on Adelson’s business affairs investigating his corporate operations searching for an excuse to shut him down, discouraging his influence and financial support for Gingrich, any way he can-

  196. Close Ties to Goldman Enrich Romney’s Public and Private Lives

    January 29, 2012 5:46:26 AM by 2ndDivisionVet

    When Bain Capital sought to raise money in 1989 for a fast-growing office-supply company named Staples, Mitt Romney, Bain’s founder, called upon a trusted business partner: Goldman Sachs, whose bankers led the company’s initial public offering.

    When Mr. Romney became governor of Massachusetts, his blind trust gave Goldman much of his wealth to manage, a fortune now estimated to be as much as $250 million.

    And as Mr. Romney mounts his second bid for the presidency, Goldman is coming through again: Its employees have contributed at least $367,000 to his campaign, making the firm Mr. Romney’s largest single source of campaign money through the end of September.

    No other company is so closely intertwined with Mr. Romney’s public and private lives except Bain itself. And in recent days, Mr. Romney’s ties to Goldman Sachs have lashed another lightning rod to a campaign already fending off withering attacks on his career as a buyout specialist, thrusting the privileges of the Wall Street elite to the forefront of the Republican nominating battle.

    Newt Gingrich, whose allies have spent millions of dollars on advertisements painting Mr. Romney as a heartless “vulture capitalist,” seized on Mr. Romney’s Goldman ties at Thursday’s Republican debate in Florida, suggesting that he had profited through Goldman on banks that had foreclosed on Floridians. And as the fight over regulation of financial firms spills onto the campaign trail, Mr. Romney’s support for the industry — he has called for repeal of the Dodd-Frank legislation tightening oversight of Wall Street — may draw more fire….

    Mr. Romney’s positions and pedigree have helped draw to his side major donors in the financial world. The securities and investment industry has given more money to Mr. Romney than any other industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, and some of its leading figures have donated millions of dollars to Restore Our Future, the “super PAC” bolstering Mr. Romney’s campaign. Goldman employees are also the biggest source of donations to Free & Strong America PAC, a group Mr. Romney founded but no longer controls.

    But Mr. Romney’s personal finances are particularly entwined with Goldman.

    His federal financial disclosure statements show Mr. Romney and his wife, their blind trusts and their family foundation to be prodigious consumers of the bank’s services. In 2011, Mr. Romney’s blind trust and the couple’s retirement accounts held as much as $36.7 million in at least two dozen Goldman investment vehicles, earning as much as $3 million a year in income. Mrs. Romney’s trust had at least $10.2 million in Goldman funds — possibly much more — earning as much as $6.2 million.

    Tax returns released by the campaign this week also highlighted some of the privileges Mr. Romney enjoyed as a friend of Goldman: In May 1999, a few months after he left Bain to run the Salt Lake City Olympics, Goldman allowed Mr. Romney to buy at least 7,000 Goldman shares during the firm’s lucrative initial public offering — a generous allotment even among Goldman clients, according to people with knowledge of the deal. When Mr. Romney’s trusts sold the shares in December 2010, a few months before he formed his presidential exploratory committee for the 2012 race, they returned a profit of $750,000.

    A spokeswoman for Goldman declined to comment, as did a spokeswoman for Mr. Romney.

    Investing with Goldman was not without risks: Like other Goldman clients, the Romneys invested money in a family of funds known as Whitehall, which placed highly leveraged bets on office buildings, casinos and hotels. Some Whitehall deals collapsed during the financial crisis, saddling Mr. Romney and its other investors with big losses.

    And some of the attacks on Mr. Romney have overreached. While Mr. Gingrich charged on Thursday that his rival did business with a firm that “was explicitly foreclosing on Floridians,” that is not accurate: The family’s holdings include a Goldman fund that, like other investment funds, has invested partly in mortgage-backed securities. Goldman sold its mortgage servicing arm, Litton Loan Servicing, last year.

    But other elements of Mr. Romney’s personal and business ties to Goldman may prove more controversial. Bain’s mid-1990s acquisition of Dade Behring, a medical device maker with factories in Florida, has become a totem of the economic upheaval that private equity can inflict. Goldman invested in the acquisition, which brought the bank $120 million and Bain $242 million — but led to the layoffs of hundreds of workers in Miami. Democrats hammered Mr. Romney over the deal this week.

    When Mr. Romney was building Bain into one of the world’s premier private equity firms, Goldman’s bankers clamored for Bain business, and won assignments advising or financing an array of Bain deals, including Bain’s 1997 $800 million buyout of Sealy, the nation’s largest mattress company, which it later sold.

    As Mr. Romney amassed his fortune, Goldman also offered up the services of an elite Boston-based team in the bank’s private wealth management unit. The relationship gave him access to Goldman’s exclusive investment funds, including private equity vehicles known as Goldman Sachs Capital Partners.

    Mr. Romney is far from Goldman’s largest client — some investors have billions of dollars at the firm — but his political connections and founding role at Bain have elevated his importance there. His Goldman investments are handled by Jim Donovan, who has built one of the largest-producing businesses in Goldman’s private wealth management unit, managing several billion dollars for the firm’s individual clients.

    Goldman gave Mr. Romney’s trusts access to the bank’s own exclusive investment funds and helped him execute an aggressive and complex tax-deferral strategy known as an “exchange fund” in 2002. (Since 2003, most of Mr. Romney’s money has been held in blind trusts, meaning that he no longer makes many of his own investment decisions.) According to tax returns released this week, the family’s three principal trusts earned more than $9 million from various Goldman Sachs investment vehicles in 2010.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/us/politics/close-ties-to-goldman-enrich-romneys-public-and-private-lives.html?_r=1&hp

  197. Mrs. Smith at 9.09 AM

    With all the revelations coming to light about, Romney, now we can understand why the boob wants Romney to be the candidate. Obots can destroy him in a minute and the one declares himself to be the saviour of 99%

    I hate Gingrich, but I think there is no alternative for him. At least he is a fighter. My only hope now is that he makes enough damage to the boob early that the Zero withdraws leaving open the door to Hillary

  198. I sure like Sarah Palin, and her attempt at rocking the Republican boat. I hope that she succeeds.

    This Tuesday is the Republican primary here in Florida. Early voting has already resulted in well over 200,000 votes. Although Gingrich is supposedly behind in the polls at this point in time, people seem to forget that he was well ahead in the preference polls months ago. I suspect that many of the early votes were cast for him as a reflection of his earlier support. I am also not convinced that people are flocking to Romney especially since his strength among voters usually is stuck at right around 25%. I have one friend and one acquaintance that intend on voting for Newt on Tuesday. They have not succumb to the Romeny “onslaught”.

  199. Another stimulus receiver in need of some Viagra.

    The Las Vegas Sun reported that Amonix, Inc., a manufacturer of solar panels that received $5.9 million from the Porkulus, will cut two-thirds of its workforce, about 200 employees, only seven months after opening a factory in Nevada.

  200. Betty
    January 29th, 2012 at 12:49 am
    ———————–
    The deal Romney made with Bush Sr. was that he would support him from behind the scenes but could not do so openly because at that time there was a Texas governor in the race. The quid pro quo was Jeb or Condi for VP. Romney staffer however are going behind Bush’s back and acting without Romney’s knowledge so he can claim plausible deniability. They are sounding Marco out on being vp, he is balking at it because it would undermine his tea party support and the Romney staffers are telling him if you want a future in this party, then if we come and ask again, you will say yes. That is the inside scoop anyway. It is true, more probable than not.

  201. I think the dimocrat vp postion will be given to bayh, since hillary is not interested. None of the others on the short list qualify. Pelosi was not on the short list, and she was furious. She says I am the one who pushed his legislation through therefore he owes me. She told that to a mutual friend and this person shook his head and said Nancy is so out of it that she does not realize that she is radioactive. Alot of behind the scenes work was done and tons of money hoping Hillary would run. It looked like a fait acompli when Keller of NYT wrote that story–and obviously he believed it was a done deal. I thank God that she made the announcement she did. I read it as her say, not that she will not run again, but that she will not run on the Obama ticket. I am pretty sure that Obama will lose, and pretty sure that Romney will get the nomination, and pretty sure that he will be a one term president. That may be how the Clintons see it as well. I am a Gingrich supporter in this round, but we are having problems getting signatures. Here is a piece I wrote for the South Carolina newspaper:

    LIVING HISTORY
    As the world watches the Republican Primary and South Carolina is set to make a decision that will affect the future of this country, my own thoughts go back in time to the American Revolution and an historic battle that was fought on your soil by your people that saved what was to become the United States.
    Then as now it was a battle between the elites and the rest of us. In those days they wore crimson uniforms, today three piece suits. Their goal was to crush our liberty. And fate could not have found two better examples:
    Banastre Tarleton, the prim and proper child of privilege who waged war on the people. And Daniel Morgan, the backwoodsman who did his share of drinking and carousing, but when the battle was joined he beat Tarleton so badly that he could not even rally his troops.
    Those two men are stories that repeat themselves through history. On today’s stage they take the form of Willard Romney the child of privilege who represents the elites in our party and Newt Gingrich the patriotic backwoodsman who represents the people. And Mr. Obama? He is King George.
    If you think that is unfair, then I urge you to consider what we have seen. Romney is determined to buy this election. He has cost many people their jobs. And, he has made millions doing it. Gingrich is the son of a soldier. He knows what it means to be an American. He has balanced the Federal Budget. And he is the only candidate capable of making the changes in Washington that our country desperately needs.
    Obama wants to run against Romney. He knows he can defeat him. The current PIP polling confirms this. Obama does not want to run against Gingrich. And that is what the attacks on Gingrich by mainstream media and the Washington elites are really about. So once again history turns to you. Romney has taken two northern states. He needs to know that the people of South Carolina will stand their ground and fight. A vote for Gingrich is a vote for the American People. God speed.

  202. From the end of Michelle Malkins most recent post…

    As longtime observers of the royal Obamas have long observed: Mr. and Mrs. Cranky Pants’ problem has never been the color of their skin. It’s the thinness.

  203. What demoralizes me the most in this election cycle is the fact that not one dim will stand up to the obama dictatorship and primary against him, fight for what is right no matter the cost to his life, stand up and tell the American people that he agrees with them and that his party has been destroyed and obama needs to be impeached if nothing else.

    In the meantime, we watch the repub debates and try to fine anyone to support who isn’t quite as repugnant as bambi is.

    What a terrible choice the American people have to make.

  204. Look what I found:

    The Weekly Standard reports–as did the Sarasota papers–that Newt is playing to enthusiastic packed houses throughout the state.

    Others note that the undecideds can swing this to him.

    It’s not a sure thing and state polls are notoriously unreliable. They cost too much for anyone to afford them be done regularly enough to offer a solid comparison base.

    Posted by: Clarice | January 28, 2012 at 11:05 A

    http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/01/saturday-morning.html#comments

  205. JanH
    January 29th, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    What demoralizes me the most in this election cycle is the fact that not one dim will stand up to the obama dictatorship and primary against him, fight for what is right no matter the cost to his life, stand up and tell the American people that he agrees with them and that his party has been destroyed and obama needs to be impeached if nothing else.
    _____________

    Don’t waste time being demoralized, fight, fight for your descendents and mine. Same as our antecedents fought for our future. We are the ones who dropped the ball.

  206. The Las Vegas Sun reported that Amonix, Inc., a manufacturer of solar panels that received $5.9 million from the Porkulus, will cut two-thirds of its workforce, about 200 employees, only seven months after opening a factory in Nevada.

    =======================

    The price of solar panels is coming down faster than these US companies can compete with. The Chinese have found a way to make them cheaper. This is good news for for solar tech, though bad for Obama’s picks here.

  207. WASHINGTON (AP) — Global warming is hitting not just home, but garden. The color-coded map of planting zones often seen on the back of seed packets is being updated by the government, illustrating a hotter 21st century.

    It’s the first time since 1990 that the U.S. Department of Agriculture has revised the official guide for the nation’s 80 million gardeners, and much has changed. Nearly entire states, such as Ohio, Nebraska and Texas, are in warmer zones.

  208. I hate Gingrich, but I think there is no alternative for him. At least he is a fighter. My only hope now is that he makes enough damage to the boob early that the Zero withdraws leaving open the door to Hillary

    =========================

    What might work, is if Gingrich and Romney stop fighting each other and bot turn to attacking Obama, sooner rather than later.

  209. Woops, that should be:

    What might work, is if Gingrich and Romney stop fighting each other and both turn to attacking Obama, sooner rather than later. But if the GOP can play sneaky chess too, maybe they’re holding off on damaging Obama till it’s past time for the Dems to switch to Hillary.

    Neither of them would want to run against her!

  210. nomobama
    January 29th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

    The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

    Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming–Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1ksQyJPNw
    ____________-

    Well, that puts an end to the supercilious man-made warming theory…

  211. But here is what the same Met office that issued the report said about it:

    Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide. Although the sun’s output is likely to decrease until 2100, ‘This would only cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08C.’ Peter Stott, one of the authors, said: ‘Our findings suggest a reduction of solar activity to levels not seen in hundreds of years would be insufficient to offset the dominant influence of greenhouse gases.’

    Buried deep in the slanted Daily Mail story.

  212. Mrs. Smith said:
    It means Global Warming was a hoax- says as much in the blockquote.

    ==================

    What? Read the blockquote again.

    Yet, in its paper, the Met Office claimed that the consequences [of the sun cycle] now would be negligible – because the impact of the sun on climate is far less than man-made carbon dioxide.

  213. I agree with these guys:

    The WSJ publishes an open letter from sixteen scientists urging politicians and others to cool it on global warming:

    …Speaking for many scientists and engineers who have looked carefully and independently at the science of climate, we have a message to any candidate for public office: There is no compelling scientific argument for drastic action to “decarbonize” the world’s economy. Even if one accepts the inflated climate forecasts of the IPCC, aggressive greenhouse-gas control policies are not justified economically.

    A recent study of a wide variety of policy options by Yale economist William Nordhaus showed that nearly the highest benefit-to-cost ratio is achieved for a policy that allows 50 more years of economic growth unimpeded by greenhouse gas controls. This would be especially beneficial to the less-developed parts of the world that would like to share some of the same advantages of material well-being, health and life expectancy that the fully developed parts of the world enjoy now. Many other policy responses would have a negative return on investment. And it is likely that more CO2 and the modest warming that may come with it will be an overall benefit to the planet.

    Here are the signatories:

    Claude Allegre, former director of the Institute for the Study of the Earth, University of Paris; J. Scott Armstrong, cofounder of the Journal of Forecasting and the International Journal of Forecasting; Jan Breslow, head of the Laboratory of Biochemical Genetics and Metabolism, Rockefeller University; Roger Cohen, fellow, American Physical Society; Edward David, member, National Academy of Engineering and National Academy of Sciences; William Happer, professor of physics, Princeton; Michael Kelly, professor of technology, University of Cambridge, U.K.; William Kininmonth, former head of climate research at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology; Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric sciences, MIT; James McGrath, professor of chemistry, Virginia Technical University; Rodney Nichols, former president and CEO of the New York Academy of Sciences; Burt Rutan, aerospace engineer, designer of Voyager and SpaceShipOne; Harrison H. Schmitt, Apollo 17 astronaut and former U.S. senator; Nir Shaviv, professor of astrophysics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem; Henk Tennekes, former director, Royal Dutch Meteorological Service; Antonio Zichichi, president of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva.

    http://justoneminute.typepad.com/

  214. the highest benefit-to-cost ratio is achieved for a policy that allows 50 more years of economic growth unimpeded by greenhouse gas controls. [….] And it is likely that more CO2 and the modest warming that may come with it will be an overall benefit to the planet.

    ======================

    Whose benefit to whose cost? This might make a little sense if the time and cheap energy produced were spent in developing sustainable technology for the future. But simply taking the controls off, wouldn’t do that. It would just make Cheney and the Bush family more powerful.

    “And it is likely that more CO2 and the modest warming that may come with it will be an overall benefit to the planet.”

    Tell that to the islands that are going underwater, and the people who are dying from heat in New York and Paris already.

    Overall this is bullshit, as we might expect from WSJ.

  215. no disrespect to any of the G supporters…

    a different POV…I do not see where G is the big “fighter” he and supporters are claiming…if anyone got a chance to catch him on the morning rounds today…all he did was whine and whine and whine…in his usual over the top style he is trying to label R as the most dishonest person on the earth…overkill and he begins to lose credibility

    G is at risk of starting to become a caricuture of himself…already…early in the week he “complains” about free speech and the audience being able to respond in the debates…and later in the week, he complains because there was too much noise from the audience and it was distracting, R ‘packed’ the room ,etc…excuses, excuses, excuses…

    now he is complaining about R buying the election, etc…i ask again, just what does he think is coming down the road with O…a peace party? please, O is going to have tons of money and play extreme hardball…what’s G going to do then? complain about O and go on tv and spend all his tv face time whining…yeah, like the MSM is going to show him empathy…forgetaboutit!

    …at least with R he can go mano y mano with O with the big bucks and fight fire with fire…and R has the visual optics and stature to stand tall next to O on the debate stage and come across as the experienced business person he is and fight back as an adult, not someone just throwing red meat…independents do not like all that red meat…they want maturity and stability and solutions…everyone knows R is really a moderate and probably in his heart of hearts an independent…that will play very well in the national election…

    …people are hurting, they are sick of the drama…sick of everything being about the politician’e egos….sick of O with his arrogant narcissim…and G is the right’s version of the arrogant narcissim, granted his supporters may not feel that way, but many objective people do…those two will make it all about them…and their egos…R, frankly, seems much more humble…and focused…Michelle Bachman’s debate coach that is advising R now probably had to impress upon him that he has to strike back…probably something that R isn’t that comfortable doing…he does not come across as an angry man…(and his wife is a big, big plus)

    both G and R have been and are in south florida now…G was in naples and had a crowd of about 6000…a friend of mine just called me from the R rally in naples and said it was packed and people were very excited…

    R is going to be in Broward this evening…I may try to check it out…

    …the bottom line, G embarrassed himself this morning on the talk shows…R has really gotten under his skin…just like Bill did…funny how people were talking about R not being able to take a punch or having a glass jaw…right now I think that applies much more to G…he is off his game and time is not on his side…

    The main Nevada newspaper just endorsed R…Nevad is coming down the road…and evidently no debates until the end of Feb…

  216. JanH- I think Betty’s right- and I’m glad to see she is willing to Fight for what’s Right! We need more fighters-
    _________________

    As the Jan. 31 Florida primary nears, Gingrich remains at the top of the GOP field in national Republican preferences for the nomination, and his eight-percentage-point lead over Romney, in second place, is his widest since mid-December.

    Gingrich’s latest eclipsing of Romney occurred in Gallup Daily tracking from Jan. 19-23. That interviewing period spanned the South Carolina debate, as well as the South Carolina primary, which Gingrich handily won. Since then, Gingrich has not only maintained the lead but expanded it slightly, indicating that Romney’s sharpened rhetoric, combined with various attacks on Gingrich by such major Republican Party figures as New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Bob Dole, hasn’t been particularly harmful.

    Given the swings in voter support that Gallup has already documented after the Iowa caucuses — with Romney, the then-presumed winner of Iowa, surging — and after the South Carolina primary, with Gingrich surging, the outcome in Florida Tuesday would appear to have more potential than the political theater happening outside of the primaries to shake things up yet again in this already turbulent race.

  217. as for these snapshot polls:

    An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released this week found that Gingrich now enjoys a 9-point lead nationally among registered Republican likely primary voters. However, Gingrich fared worse than all other Republican candidates when tested against Obama. The poll suggested that Obama would trounce Gingrich by 18 points.

    snip

    As Peter D. Hart, a Democratic pollster, told MSNBC, “Gingrich is Goldwater.” He continued, “In the general election, Gingrich not only takes down his ship, he takes down the whole flotilla.”

  218. We don’t use or believe polling propaganda from nbc or Wall St. Gallup is the reputable polling establishment we use for truth and accuracy-

  219. S

    If you look at Rasmussen Polling- which incidentally was a good source, the numbers are entirely different from Gallup’s.

    Ras signed a contract with BO a while back to be his official WH statistical poller.

    IOW- he owns Rasmussen..

  220. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/64697/newt-gingrich-cry-baby-2/#more-64697

    Larry has an interesting post at noquarter…complete with comments…guess others are getting the same perception…

    for the record, G complains about R’s ads, but G has had to pull and modify at least two of his own ads because they were false and/or misleading…Rudio and Huckabee both took G to task on his ads…

    but to listen to G, he is the only honest person on the planet…I’m sorry but I really do not think this guy is all there…i do not mean to offend anyone but truthfully that is my impression

    the polls are fleeting right now…

    one last thing…oh the irony of being on a hillary site and having to discuss G and contend with ‘defense’ of him is just tooooo surreal…I will be very happy when we are past this…

  221. As I’ve said, over and over again, mainly for the benefit of people who haven’t been in too many slug-fests. There is a stratgey in play here.. I’ll say it once more and I’m done..

    1. We want Gingrich to get the Nomination…

    2. Why?

    3. Because he will stand up and batter the crap out of Obama for months and months before the dem nomination…

    4. Why we don’t want Romney?

    5. Because he’s an establishment politician.. They want him- that should ring a bell with everyone watching.. Romney is a no- no-

    6. The establishment is supporting Romney- they hate Gingrich because they cannot control him and they don’t want Bambi to take a beating for months on end-

    7. If Gingrich is the nominee- and Obama’s polling numbers are in the high 20’s low 30’s… The DNC will be forced to accept a Draft nomination.. that is when we slip Hillary in.. H vs N = NO CONTEST… she wins hands down.

    8. In August things will change and we’re back to supporting her.

    This is the very last time I am laying this out to the non readers… Admin agrees with us- The us is myself, nomobama, Short Termer, I believe confloyd is in, I think Betty gets it, and Wbboei, he certainly gets it- the experienced War Horse he is-

  222. We don’t use or believe polling propaganda from nbc or Wall St.

    ====================

    Nor climate change deniers in the Wall St Journal, I hope. 😉 Not when something might threaten Bush’s oil industry.

  223. oh the irony of being on a hillary site and having to discuss G and contend with ‘defense’ of him is just tooooo surreal…

    =================

    Yes. It’s a bad dream. A silly bad dream, and will soon be over, I hope.

  224. that’s all fine, unless G collapses and loses…

    if you listen to the clip from abc this morning where G is going after R…all you have to do is take out R and put in O and G is in the same place and worse…there will be tons of carpet bagging money coming after G and the MSM will assist in taking him down…

    Mrs. Smith, you don’t have to say what you have said again (unless you want to) I think we all got it the times you said it before…and no one is arguing that our first choice is Hillary and that is Plan A

    …but if G collapses and independents and women flee and either stay home or stick with O, then Plan A will not help us

    and for the record, i do not see this as an ‘us’ against anyone…we get it…trust me, we get it…

  225. S
    January 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    that’s all fine, unless G collapses and loses…
    ____________

    That is WHY we are looking for FIGHTERS-

    In essence, this plan paves the way for Hillary.. You can’t live in the Land of “IF”- That place curry’s FAILURE-

    If you believe in what you’re doing, you live 24/7 in the land of “MAKE IT HAPPEN!”

    And WE WILL- (I’ll leave the subtlety for you to figure out because we want you on our side..)

  226. Mrs. Smith, your timing doesn’t work.

    Mrs. Smith siad:
    “1. We want Gingrich to get the Nomination…
    2. Why?
    3. Because he will stand up and batter the crap out of Obama for months and months before the dem nomination…”

    There would not be “months and months” before the Dem nomination. Gingrich could not become the GOP nominee till the GOP convention in late August. There are only a few days between that and the Dem convention in early September.

    “7. If Gingrich is the nominee- and Obama’s polling numbers are in the high 20’s low 30’s… The DNC will be forced to accept a Draft nomination.. that is when we slip Hillary in..”

    Some sort of instant coup in the week between the two conventions? Not likely, with the same crowd running the Dem convention that ran it in 2008.

    “8. In August things will change and we’re back to supporting her.”

    Maybe you mean “In September”?

  227. ok, got to go…going to try to make that R rally and then SAG awards…

    if i get to the rally i will report what was there…i believe c-span is going to carry it live at 6:30 pm

    have a great night everyone… : )

    oh…and I have been a FIGHTER all my life…

  228. oh…and I have been a FIGHTER all my life…
    ___________

    I knew that… and why we want you! 🙂

    I’ll be at Downton Abbey tonight… but available here.

  229. I’ve read Gingrich rallies in Florida pull in thousands of people while Romney’s pull in hundreds. If true, then that surely means something.

  230. Mrs. SMith said:
    “1. We want Gingrich to get the Nomination…”
    [ in another post ]
    “No, I mean, in August- we have to know if we have enough authenticated signatures by then.”

    ====================

    Maybe you mean that you want Gingrich to be the front-runner, or to have enough delegates, well before the GOP convention?

  231. turndown, you may want to discuss that with Mrs. Pattinson, she’s in the kitchen. She can be reached between 9-10 pm tonight.

  232. From the LA Times….

    Newt Gingrich, trying to claw his way back into contention before Florida holds its crucial primary in two days, railed Sunday against rival Mitt Romney’s claim that Gingrich did not work as closely with President Reagan as the former House speaker asserts.

    “I am, in fact, the legitimate heir to the Reagan movement, not some liberal from Massachusetts,” Gingrich said on Sunday.

    He noted that Reagan’s son Michael will be campaigning with him on Monday, “which should tell you how false the ads were earlier this week by Romney that suggested I wasn’t a Reagan Republican.”

    He made the remarks to thousands of seniors gathered at the Villages, a massive retirement community in Central Florida that is a GOP enclave and a common stop for presidential hopefuls.

    Romney, who will be holding a rally there Monday, bought a full-page ad in the local newspaper on Sunday that featured a letter from 1996 GOP presidential nominee Bob Dole disparaging Gingrich’s performance as House speaker. Dole, who is backing Romney, wrote that most of Gingrich’s ideas were “off the wall,” that Gingrich cost the GOP seats in the House and hurt Dole’s bid in 1996, and that if Gingrich wins the GOP nomination, President Obama could have a landslide victory.

    Although Gingrich has been campaigning as an outsider, the two-decade congressman argued on Sunday that his knowledge of the intricacies of the capital would make him a more effective president than Romney.

    “With all due respect to Gov. Romney, there is an enormous difference in our understanding of both how to move the nation and how to actually get things done in Washington,” he said. “This is a very hard, complicated business. We have had three years of an amateur and we understand it doesn’t work very well. We need someone willing to change Washington. We need someone who knows enough about Washington to know how to change Washington. Both are necessary.”

    Gingrich touted Saturday night’s endorsement by Herman Cain,  as well as support he has received from Sarah and Todd Palin and others, noting that it proves that he is the grass-roots candidate while Romney is the GOP establishment’s pick. Gingrich said the Washington establishment was becoming “unglued” by his candidacy.

    “I am not running for president to manage the decay of the United States to the satisfaction of the establishment. And I am not running for president of the United States to make the Wall Street elite and the Washington elite happy,” he said. “I am running to change both groups on behalf of the people of the United States of America.”

    “The truth is we have been served badly, the American people, by the establishment in both parties. Let’s be clear about it, it’s both parties, and it’s time someone stood up for hard-working, tax-paying Americans and said ‘Enough!’ ” Gingrich roared. “And if that makes the old order uncomfortable, my answer is, ‘Good.’

  233. nomobama
    January 29th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Good One, nomobama. Here is something else to consider while we’re cleaning House.
    ________________

    West Delivers a Fiery Speech

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZxhW7a7Q4EI

    Speaking to a Lincoln Day Dinner in West Palm Beach for the Palm Beach County GOP, Rep. Allen West (R-Fla) fired off a humdinger of a line that within minutes drew recriminations from Democrats on Twitter.

    “We need to let President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, (audience boos) and my dear friend [Fla. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz] the chairman of the Democrat National Committee, we need to let them know that Florida ain’t on the table,” West said. “Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America.”

    Following cheers, West added, “Yeah I said ‘hell.’”
    _______

    via my e-mail from our comrade, Brenda Elliot @ rbo

  234. From the respectable Legal Resurrection blog. Something doesn’t seem right with the current polls. There is a chart included with this article if you visit the Legal Resurrection blog.
    ————-

    In keeping with the video of the day, the polling isn’t exactly clear on what is happening here.

    On the one hand, numerous polls show Romney moving to a mid-to-high single digit lead in Florida, but Gallup and most other national polls show no upward movement for Romney nationally:

    How is it that Romney would be “surging” in Florida but nowhere else?  (added)  Perhaps it’s that Romney is outspending Newt more than 3-1 in Florida, but that has been going on for a long time so it would be hard to attribute a sudden movement to the spending.

    Also, a Dixie Strategies poll, with by far the largest sample size in Florida and which includes two days of polling after the Monday debate, shows a virtual tie:

    In the three days leading up to Thursday’s debate at the University of North Florida, First Coast News and St. Augustine-based Dixie Strategies commissioned the Dixie Strategies/First Coast News Public Opinion Survey, a poll of Republicans throughout the state who described themselves as “likely” voters in the Jan. 31 primary.

    When asked, “If the Republican Presidential Primary were held today, for whom would you vote?,” 35.46 percent of the 2,567 likely voters polled selected former House speaker Gingrich, and 35.08 percent selected Romney.

    The same question showed former senator Rick Santorum in a distant third place with 9.38 percent, followed by Ron Paul’s 7.42 percent.

    I could see justifications for changes post Thursday debate, but it’s not clear who it helps.  It was not a good debate for Newt, but Romney got hurt by Santorum as well.

    The media momentum until yesterday was on Romney’s side based on the false and misleading attacks on Newt’s Reagan bona fides.

    But yesterday there was a talk radio backlash and Sarah Palin’s strategic intervention may even things out.  Newt also picked up the backing of the Tea Party movement in Florida, while Romney pretty much has written them off.

    Turn out and enthusiasm could be the difference.

    So stop, children, no one really knows what or who is going down on Tuesday.

  235. Newt was in The Villages this morning. His crowds are good, he said that on tv; but I have heard nothing about what kind of crowds Romney is pulling in.

    Something else to consider as the result of the Primary; if Romney wins, the CONSERVATIVES and EVANGELICALS will likely stay home; groundhog day again. Do those of you who do not want Gingrich to get the nomination really want ObaMAO for another, America’s last, four years? I know that I can not vote Romney……..and I am an Independent. The ads he is running like there is no tomorrow down here are at best misleading; and one is downtown packed with lies………honest, plastic, Mormon, elite Wilbur Romney – and judging from his response to Blitzer about an ad he will deny it is even running.

    There is a painting by McNaughton showing all the presidents standing behind a citizen on a bench; with ObaMAO standing on the Consititution he shredded. Powerful.

  236. Just a feeling, bit I think Romney will lose here in Florida. If Gingrich managed to pull thousands of seniors to his rally at the The Villages in Florida, that means that his message resonates with some of the upper income people, too. I’d like to see the numbers that Romney draws for his rally there tomorrow.

  237. BTW, Newt suggested at The Villages that Floridians need to replace Bill Nelson. HERE! HERE!

    Way to go Allen West!

  238. I had a feeling that all those POLLS were rigged. My youngest son is thrilled about Newt’ space strategy. He is in college majoring in engineering so that he can work in the space industry on the private level……….but he would have to go to Arizona for work.

  239. LOL! I just saw that I typed “Legal Resurrection” instead of “Legal Insurrection”. Oh well, it must be a Sunday!

  240. I intend on casting my vote against Nelson. It’s going to be another straight Republican vote for me. The Dimocratic party has not really suffered enough yet. When the party is destroyed will be a day of joy for me. I can’t wait to see what replaces it.

  241. Gingrich needs to get the vote out in Boca, W. Palm and Palm Beach.

    When the Jewish communities realize he is in their corner, they can be very valuable ally’s helping him win Fla.

    They have huge social networks in Fl and can turn this election for him seeing there is time enough to get out the vote before Tuesday.

  242. Hoping for enough Democratic delegates and the DNC to panic and switch to Hillary — would be a worthwhile longshot.

    But Gingrich might or might not be the right choice to panic them. What would panic them would be polls showing Obama down, regardless of who the GOP nominates. For your purpose, tearing down either Romney or Gingrich isn’t helping.

  243. ShortTermer
    January 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Yes, I’ve seen that pic before. It’s done beautifully- Is that Patty Kennedy sitting on the bench in the foreground?

  244. Get this. Romney said the following today in Panama City, FL. I started talking about waste in the Dept. of Defense, and how he would reduce it. One of the things that he would use the savings on was to “HELP PAY FOR Obamacare”. Good freak’n grief! Freudian slip? See 1:19 in youtube video below….

  245. Before anyone gets your hopes up, it’s possible the video I linked to is doctored in some way, but it’s hard to say.

  246. I don’t think it is either. I hope someone who was there comes forward to confirm it. The boos make me think it more authentic. The sound quality is similar before and after he said it, too.

    I told one of my friends in the past that Romney will keep Obamacare. That is the biggest concern I have about him.

  247. nomobama
    January 29th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Good evening. Its not doctored, but because someone shouted at that exact time, its hard to hear, however what he says after 1:19 is a giveaway as to what he says before. He says:

    “I’m going to go after waste. I’m not [shout by audience member] going to use that money to help pay for ObamaCare. I’m going to use that money to pay for Navy, etc.”

    But I agree with you, its hard to hear, I listened to it very closely, and what he says after 1:19 explains what he was saying before.

    My family in FL went to both Willard’s and Newt’s rallies. They were dems, but reregisted as repubs to be able to vote, I think FL has a closed primaries. They ended up voting for Mittens, for the sole reason they think he’s more electable. They were Hillary supporters, and after going to Newt’s rally, one of them said to me that all the memories of him from the 1990s were still there, they will support him should he be the nominee, but they think Mittens is more electable, for them electablity was most important.

  248. We have to look at the big picture..Romney is 1% point ahead of Obama in the most recent poll and usually with 2-4% points of Obama. Newt is double digits behind Obama in some polls. While it would be more fun watching Newt eviscerate Obama in debates, Romney is the only one who can possibly attract moderates /independents which GOP neeeds to win election.

  249. Hi Tim. You are correct. I just came back to tell everyone that I was wrong on the video. You can hear it better on this video at around the 5:02 mark. There’s Beatles music playing over his voice, but you can still decipher what he said. Glad to read that your parents will vote against “The Once”.

  250. “Glad to read that your parents will vote against “The Once”.”

    LOL, yep they will vote against the “The Once”. And these were staunch solid blue collar dems, love Hillary, love Palin. Cannot stand the Democrat Party anymore, what it stands for. Will vote ABO absolutely.

  251. The primaries are closed here. One of my friends was urging me to do the same thing as your parents did, but I wasn’t ready to reregister as a Democrat. I think that may happen after this upcoming election. I know it will happen if Obama wins re-election.

  252. Well, Downton Abbey got me again- My eyes welled up three times in this episode. This series is the most exciting thing I’ve watched in a very long time- I highly recommend it- The story line writing is brilliant and the cast of characters are equally superb.

    Downton Abbey, for those unaware, is written by Julian Fellows. And what makes it interesting for me is the Lord of the house is married to an American heiress.

    Their three daughters are generous, loving and compassionate- Lord and Lady Grantham opening up their home as a respite for WWI wounded soldiers for healing and recuperation before going back home-

    Mr Fellows has used bits and pieces of stories from relatives living through the period piece he has written.. you easily become attached to the characters at Downton
    Abbey wondering at times what would you do in the situations presented during the 60 min productions.

    It is a 5 star made for tv series.

  253. jbstonesfan
    January 29th, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    Yes, Mrs. Smith. Newt was in my neck of the woods on Friday night at an event held by the Jewish republicans:
    __________

    Excellent, jbstonesfan! I clipped a short except from your link. Romney caught playing dirty- again!

    “Gingrich also got standing ovations when he said there is “no legitimate question about the rights of Jews to be in Israel” and that he would “employ whatever force is necessary” if he thought Iran was close to achieving nuclear weapons.

    Protesters gathered along Jog Road and in a nearby park named for the late Lawton Chiles, Florida’s former Democratic governor and U.S. senator. “Republicans want less government for the same reason crooks want less cops,” one sign read.

    There was also a verbal skirmish between Gingrich’s press secretary and U.S. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, a Romney supporter.

    The Gingrich campaign has bristled over the Romney campaign’s practice of sending surrogates to Gingrich events.

    U.S. Rep. Connie Mack, R-Cape Coral, has attended several Gingrich events around the state during the past week, meeting with reporters to rebut Gingrich’s claims.

    Gingrich has said it is a sign that the “Washington establishment” fears he will upset what he calls a self-serving system if he is elected.

    Gingrich press secretary R.C. Hammond jeered Chaffetz.

    “One thing is clear is that the Washington establishment sticks together. Have you got your charter membership yet?” he asked.

    Chaffetz said he was going to stand quietly in the back of the room and answer questions afterward, if asked.

    “I’m just trying to offer a little perspective,” Chaffetz said. Later, he said, Hammond’s attitude showed that the campaign had become “unhinged.”

    Those in the crowd were generally unaware of the confrontation, which occurred near a crowd of reporters.

    Instead, the audience was largely made up of enthusiastic supporters who said they just wanted to see Gingrich, a man they have long admired and believe is their best hope for beating President Obama.”

  254. Latest Rasmussen posted tonight has Romney in a double digit lead over Gingrich…

    Sunday, January 29, 2012

    Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has opened a double-digit lead in Florida as the perception grows among Republican primary voters that he is the strongest general election candidate against President Obama. The state’s GOP Primary is on Tuesday.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Florida Republican Primary Voters, conducted Saturday, shows Romney up by 16 points with 44% support. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is a distant second at 28%.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/2012_florida_republican_primary
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    Hoping something good happens between now and Tuesday for NG.

  255. Mrs. Smith
    January 29th, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    I watched the first season, and the second is even better. It really brings home the caste system, also that the women cooking were lower than the men servants was a reality check for me. My significant other’s father was in WWI. War is terrible, regardless of the time frame. Few of those that returned (regardless of he war) get the mental treatment that they need, unforntunately.

  256. Jacksonville, Florida (CNN) – The Tampa Tribune endorsed Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, who the newspaper said is an “innovative problem-solver with rock-hard conservative credentials,” over Mitt Romney, whom it called the “safer choice.”

    Sunday’s endorsement from the city’s second-largest newspaper that leans conservative comes two days before Florida’s primary election in which Romney is favored to win.

    Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

    Despite potential areas of weakness from the former House speaker, the editorial said Gingrich is the best Republican candidate to “take the fight” to President Barack Obama.

    “Sure, he can be grandiose. His personal life has been, to put it kindly, complicated. But he has proved his ability to effect change – in a hurry. And this is what the nation needs,” the editorial read.

    The editorial page editors said they believe Gingrich has learned from the “painful experience” of facing ethics violations at the end of his two decades in Congress, which are the subject of a Romney television ad released in Florida on Sunday.

    While Gingrich and Romney both vow to repeal Obama’s health care law, the Tampa Tribune raised the question of Obama’s plan being based partly on the Massachusetts health care system implemented when Romney was governor.

    “There are important differences in the plans, but it takes some explaining. Gingrich would be able to attack the looming entitlement without apology,” the paper said.

    On Saturday, Gingrich picked up the endorsement of former presidential candidate Herman Cain. The two will campaign together in Tampa on Monday.

    Romney received the endorsement of the Orlando Sentinel on Wednesday.

    In 2008, The Tampa Tribune endorsed Arizona Sen. John McCain over Romney in the 2008 GOP presidential primary.

  257. Those of you who are eagerly anticipating the Newt-Obama debates will be disappointed. If Newt gets the GOP nomination, Obama will simply refuse to do any real debates with him. Remember in 2008 when John McCain challenged Obama to do a series of townhalls? They never happened.

    The only debates Obama will agree to do with Newt (or Mitt, for that matter) will be on liberal networks with obotic moderators. Even those will be kept to a bare minimum, maybe 3 total. The moderators will pitch Nerf balls at Obama and ask the GOP candidate heated questions about abortion or same-sex marriage. Newt will be asked about his wives and Romney will be asked about his wealth. And if Newt or Mitt protests that these debates are unfair, the msm will label them bad sports or crybabies. Or racists.

  258. Those of you who are eagerly anticipating the Newt-Obama debates will be disappointed. If Newt gets the GOP nomination, Obama will simply refuse to do any real debates with him.

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    Exactly. While there’s still time for Hillary to be our nominee, Gingrich will not yet be the official GOP nominee, so Obama has that excuse not to debate him. Afterwards Obama will still find excuses. He will quibble over the formats while campaign time runs out. As you say, whatever token debates do happen, will be fixed by the media.

  259. This was scheduled to air last night on 60 minutes, but have heard nothing of it on the teevee so far. The news sources my search turned up are all the smaller papers. Evidently The Once had big help from a Pakistani in confirming bin Laden – his ticket to re-election so he thinks – was really in that particular house. McClatchy, who else? spilled the beans.

    Panetta confirms that Pakistan holds doctor with role in bin Laden raid
    McClatchy Newspapers
    LAHORE, Pakistan — A senior American official has for the first time admitted that a Pakistani doctor played a key role in tracking Osama bin Laden to his hideout in northern Pakistan, and called for his release. The comments by U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta were the first public confirmation of a part of the bin Laden operation reported by McClatchy Newspapers last July, about how the CIA used Shakil Afridi to try to establish whether the al-Qaida leader was really living in a large house in Abbottabad, northern Pakistan. Afridi has been in Pakistani custody since the country’s own spy agency, Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), learned of the secret task performed by the doctor, who set up a fake vaccination program in Abbottabad to get DNA samples from those staying at the compound.

    The CIA was never certain that bin Laden was present in the house.

    Afridi worked for the American intelligence agency in the weeks leading up to the May 2 U.S. Navy Seals raid, setting up an elaborate scheme that was supposedly going house to house to vaccinate residents in Abbottabad.

    Panetta, in an interview to be broadcast on CBS’s “60 Minutes” Sunday night, also voiced his belief that elements within Pakistan must have known that bin Laden, or at least someone significant, was present inside the compound.”I am very concerned about what the Pakistanis did with this individual (Afridi). This was an individual who, in fact, helped provide intelligence that was very helpful with regard to this operation,” Panetta said, according to a CBS release. The McClatchy investigation discovered that Afridi was arrested by the ISI in late May and was tortured. It is believed that he remains in the custody of the intelligence agency, which is part of the military, but has not been charged with any crime. The fate of the doctor has become another source of tension between Islamabad and Washington, with American officials pressing Pakistan to free him so he and his family can be resettled in the United States.
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/29/2614557/panetta-confirms-that-pakistan.html#storylink=cpy

  260. This poll conducted late last night-
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    InsiderAdvantage Poll (FL): Gingrich Surging, Race ‘Tighter Than Expected’

    A new InsiderAdvantage poll conducted Sunday night of likely Republican voters in the state of Florida shows a significant surge for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

    The poll has former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney leading with 36 percent of voters, followed by Gingrich at 31 percent.

    The Sunday results of 646 likely GOP voters are as follows:

    Romney 36 percent
    Gingrich 31 percent
    Santorum 12 percent
    Paul 12 percent
    Other/Undecided 9 percent

    “The race will be tighter than expected,” Matt Towery, chief pollster of InsiderAdvantage told Newsmax.

    Towery noted that his poll showed a surge for Romney on Wednesday, with him leading Gingrich by 8 points. The InsiderAdvantage poll was among the first to show Romney’s resurgence after his dismal showing in the S. Carolina primary.

    The InsiderAdvantage poll was also the first to show Gingrich’s rise in S. Carolina and accurately forecast his win there.

    “The trend is favoring Gingrich,” Towery said, noting that while Romney’s lead was still outside the margin of error of 3.8 percent, “It’s not by much.”

    Towery said Gingrich is doing “substantially better” with men than Romney, 38 to 28, but the former House Speaker still faces a “gender gap,” as women are still favoring Romney.

    “Men are moving in droves to Gingrich and away from Romney,” Towery said.

    As for Florida’s important Latino vote, InsiderAdvantage has Gingrich beating Romney by a large margin, leading 42 percent to 29 percent.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gingrich-romney-insideradvantage-poll/2012/01/29/id/425901

  261. Romney Advisor: Putting the boot on the neck of Gingrich. Aiming to destroy Gingrich in FL for good.

    Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:30:25 PM by

    After Gingrich Newt scored a surprise blow-out victory in South Carolina last week, the former Massachusetts governor not only unleashed a political broadside of epic proportions.

    “It not about winning here anymore,” one Romney staffer told BuzzFeed. “It’s about destroying Gingrich — and it’s working.”

    After two standout debate performances that put him up 9 points in recent polls, Romney is keeping the pressure on Gingrich, looking to score a blow-out victory of his own here.

    To that end, Romney has rolled out a team of surrogates in the Sunshine State to take the fight to Gingrich in person: from Connie Mack (III) and Connie Mack (IV), to Rep. Jason Chaffetz and Sen. John McCain. Romney has also aired a controversial ad featuring Tom Brokaw announcing that Gingrich had been sanctioned by the House.

    Today both Macks took the stage before Romney to attack Gingrich’s character, proclaiming that he has a “checkered past with ethics and honesty.”

    Romney also launched into his longest attack directed squarely at Gingrich, devoting almost four minutes of his 18 minute stump speech attacking the former Speaker of the House.

    “Mr. Speaker, your trouble in Florida is not because the audience is too quiet or too loud or because you have opponents that are tough,” Romney said, comparing Gingrich’s complaints about debate audiences to Goldilocks. Then, with a broad smile on his face, he listed the reasons why Florida voters are now moving away from Gingrich’s campaign.

    “Your problem in Florida is that you worked for Freddie Mac at a time when Freddie Mac was not doing the right thing for the American people,” he added.

    Shortly after Romney’s remarks, his campaign emailed “Earth to Newt: Tell The Truth” detailing a long list of alleged lies while mocking his ambitious space agenda.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-eyeing-blowout-keeps-foot-to-newts-neck

  262. HA! I’m thrilled for Viola Davis- Sag Award for Best Actor in The HELP!

    Viola’s hometown is the next town over from us. I’ve never met her but her Dad worked for us when we had the farm. He was a wonderful man and an old school worker when it came to taking care of our thoroughbred horses.

    So happy for her- She’s worked hard and seems to love acting. It comes through in all her performances.

  263. Glad to hear of a better poll on Newt. Came here to submit “The girl Michelle] can’t help it article:

    Agent Provocateur sales boosted by US First Lady Michelle Obama
    By Helia Ebrahimi 8:46PM GMT 29 Jan 2012
    The First Lady – better known for shopping at more modestly-priced High Street stores – along with the Queen of Qatar, Sheikha Mozah, closed off part of Madison Avenue to spend time in the luxury lingerie shop. Their purchases contributed to a market-spanking 12.5pc lift in sales. Agent Provocateur, which is styled on vintage Hollywood glamour, sells handmade Calais lace corsets that sell for up to £900, which could ruffle the feathers of more than just President Barack Obama in an election year….
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/9048122/Agent-Provocateur-sales-boosted-by-US-First-Lady-Michelle-Obama.html

  264. Allen West being redistricted out of existence in effort led by Romney Florida spokesman

    The establishment is fighting back, alright.

    This has not received a lot of national attention, but the Republican legislature in Florida is about to push through a plan which puts Allen West at serious risk, and the person leading the effort is one of Mitt Romney’s spokemen.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/allen-west-being-redistricted-out-of-existence-in-effort-led-by-romney-florida-spokesman/
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    If Newt survives Fla- then he’s got to go back to the strong format used in the SC Debate! At best, I guess we can hope for a tie and no decisive winner.

  265. holdthemaccountable
    January 30th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    MO just loves spending the People’s money- I guess it makes her feel powerful thumbing her nose at the people in need-

  266. Terrible about Allen. His strong-armed fundraising techniques eventually persuaded this out-of-state contributor to leave him; nevertheless he’s a strong Tea Party voice.

    IMO and roughly speaking Tea Party = Voice of the people. Therefore roughly speaking, the establishment is, in plain sight, putting the people down.

  267. I have my own Tea Party House rep and he’s just tweeted this:

    Marino introduces bill to change business as usual in Washington
    U.S. Rep. Tom Marino, R-Cogan Station, thinks it would be a pretty good idea if legislation being passed in Washington was more simple and transparent. That’s why he has introduced the One Subject at a Time Act, a measure that would put an end to the deals and trades used by lawmakers to secure sufficient votes for pieces of legislation.”One of the biggest problems in Washington is the longtime practice of attaching unrelated bills together in order to get a favorite measure passed,” he said. “Both parties are guilty of this. The best way to ensure openness and transparency and for all representatives and senators to become more accountable is to conduct up-and-down votes on one issue at a time.” Marino conceded that eliminating the practice of attaching unrelated bills to a principal piece of legislation could well meet with resistance. But many lawmakers, including himself, see the need for change. He said one of the clearest examples of the practice involved passage of the health care reform act two years ago.
    In order to find enough votes to pass the law, unrelated measures were tacked onto the legislation, namely changes to the student loan process. “Hopefully, the tide is turning here,” he said. “I see people starting to get the message of what people want.” Reforming the business as usual Congressional practice, he said, would allow the public to better know what’s happening and how their members of Congress are voting. Marino said his votes are based mostly on what his constituents of the 10th Congressional District want and include such issues as lower taxes, less spending and smaller government.
    http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/573914/Marino-introduces-bill-to-change-business-as-usual-in-Washington.html?nav=5011

    No doubt this will cause great laughter among elites, esp. Democrats. I say “Go Tom!”

  268. holdthemaccountable
    January 30th, 2012 at 9:33 am
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    I like that, won’t pass, but I wish it would. Won’t pass till we get term limits.

  269. Shadowfax
    January 29th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
    Maybe admin should think about changing the blog name to Newtis45?
    ***********

    So with you on this…

  270. I am wondering why Santorum has not received flak about his special needs child like Sarah Palin did; and he has to take time off from campaigning because the little girl is hospitalized. Is there no one questioning that he would be a part time candidate and President because he would need to be on-call for her care? And if not, why not? This goes to prove the mysoginy of the country if it is only the mother who gets criticism.

    I, for one, wish he would drop out, not because of his child, but because he is splitting the vote.

    Bella, godspeed. The parents are always the ones who suffer most, and they do it valiantly and silently.

  271. “Those of you who are eagerly anticipating the Newt-Obama debates will be disappointed. If Newt gets the GOP nomination, Obama will simply refuse to do any real debates with him.”

    One of the reasons Obama could use to stiff arm Newt over debates is that Newt would be uncivil (we all, or everyone I know anyway) want to see Newt eviscerate Obama in a debate on natinal tv.

    This weekend, MTP (I think), Newt may have gotten ahead of that by complaining about how hard it is to debate Romney in a civilized mannor, the msm even called Newt a crybaby.

  272. Re: Mrs. Smith
    January 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    Can Rubio be a selected as VP if he is not a nbc?

    WHY NOT? The President is not a NBC; so the precedent has been established.

  273. Just thought this was interesting, a little background on Romney’s family. Interesting that his grandfather fled to Mexico to practice polygamy but returned in abject poverty when the Mexican Revolution started.Hard working, self made, moderate…
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    Romney’s grandparents were polygamous Mormons who fled the United States with their children due to the federal government’s opposition to polygamy.[1] His maternal grandfather was Helaman Pratt (1846–1909), who presided over the Mormon mission in Mexico City before moving to the Mexican state of Chihuahua and who was the son of original Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt (1807–1857).[2][3] In the 1920s, Romney’s uncle Rey L. Pratt (1878–1931) played a major role in the preservation and expansion of the Mormon presence in Mexico and in its introduction to South America.[4] A more distant kinsman was George Romney (1734–1802), a noted portrait painter in Britain during the last quarter of the 18th century.[5]
    Romney’s parents, Gaskell Romney (1871–1955) and Anna Amelia Pratt (1876–1926), were American citizens and natives of Utah. They married in 1895 in Mexico and lived in Colonia Dublán in Galeana in the state of Chihuahua (one of the Mormon colonies in Mexico) where George was born on July 8, 1907.[1][3][6] They practiced monogamy[1] (polygamy having gone into decline following the 1890 Manifesto). George had three older brothers, two younger brothers, and a younger sister.[7] Gaskell Romney was a successful carpenter, house builder, and farmer who headed the most prosperous family in the colony,[8][9] which was situated in an agricultural valley below the Sierra Madre Occidental.[10] The family did not speak Spanish and chose U.S. citizenship for their children, including George.[10]
    The Mexican Revolution broke out in 1910 and the Mormon colonies were endangered in 1911–1912 by raids from marauders,[11] including “Red Flaggers” Pascual Orozco and José Inés Salazar.[12] Young George heard the sound of distant gunfire and saw rebels walking through the village streets.[12][13] The Romney family fled and returned to the United States in July 1912, leaving their home and almost all of their property behind.[1][14] Romney would later say, “We were the first displaced persons of the 20th century.”[15]
    In the United States, Romney grew up in humble circumstances.[16] The family subsisted with other Mormon refugees on government relief in El Paso, Texas for a few months before moving to Los Angeles, California, where Gaskell Romney worked as a carpenter.[14][17] In kindergarten, other children mocked Romney’s national origin by calling him “Mex”.[18][19]
    In 1913, the family moved to Oakley, Idaho, and bought a farm, where they grew and subsisted largely on Idaho potatoes.[20][21] The farm was not on good land and failed when potato prices fell.[20] The family moved to Salt Lake City, Utah, in 1916, where Gaskell Romney resumed construction work, but the family remained generally poor.[20] In 1917, they moved to Rexburg, Idaho, where Gaskell became a successful home and commercial builder in an area growing due to high World War I commodities prices.[22]
    George started working in wheat and sugar beet fields at the age of eleven and was the valedictorian at his grammar school graduation in 1921.[22] The Depression of 1920–21 brought a collapse in prices and local building was abandoned.[22] His family returned to Salt Lake City in 1921, and while his father resumed construction, George became skilled at lath-and-plaster work.[23][24] The family was again prospering when the Great Depression hit in 1929 and ruined them.[17] George watched his parents fail financially in Idaho and Utah[25] and having to take a dozen years to pay off their debts.[26] Seeing their struggles influenced his life and business career.[24]

    George Wilcken Romney (July 8, 1907 – July 26, 1995) was an American businessman and Republican Party politician. He was chairman and CEO of American Motors Corporation from 1954 to 1962, the 43rd Governor of Michigan from 1963 to 1969, and the United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1969 to 1973. He is the father of former Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney and the husband of former Michigan U.S. Senate candidate Lenore Romney.
    Romney was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child. The family lived in several states and ended up in Salt Lake City, Utah, where they struggled during the Great Depression. Romney worked in a number of jobs, served as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland, and attended two universities in the U.S. but did not graduate from either. In 1939 he moved to Detroit and joined the American Automobile Manufacturers Association, where he served as the chief spokesperson for the automobile industry during World War II and headed a cooperative arrangement in which companies could share production improvements. He joined Nash-Kelvinator in 1948, and became chairman and CEO of its successor, American Motors Corporation in 1954. There he turned around the struggling firm by focusing all efforts on the compact Rambler car. Romney mocked the products of the “Big Three” automakers as “gas-guzzling dinosaurs” and became one of the first high-profile, media-savvy business executives. Devoutly religious, Romney presided over the Detroit Stake of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
    Romney entered politics by participating in a state constitutional convention to rewrite the Michigan Constitution during 1961–1962. He was elected Governor of Michigan in 1962 and was re-elected by increasingly large margins in 1964 and 1966. Romney worked to overhaul the state’s financial and revenue structure, culminating in Michigan’s first state income tax, and greatly expanded the size of state government. Romney was a strong supporter of the American Civil Rights Movement. He briefly represented moderate Republicans against conservative Republican Barry Goldwater during the 1964 U.S. presidential election. He requested the intervention of federal troops during the 1967 Detroit riot.
    Romney was a candidate for the Republican nomination for President of the United States in 1968. While initially a front-runner, he proved an ineffective campaigner, and fell behind Richard Nixon in polls. Following a mid-1967 remark that his earlier support for the Vietnam War had been due to a “brainwashing” by U.S. military and diplomatic officials in Vietnam, his campaign faltered even more, and he withdrew from the contest in early 1968. Once elected president, Nixon appointed Romney Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Romney’s ambitious plans for housing production increases for the poor, and for open housing to desegregate suburbs, were modestly successful but often thwarted by Nixon. Romney left the administration at the start of Nixon’s second term in 1973. Returning to private life, Romney advocated volunteerism and public service, and served as a regional representative of the Twelve within his church.

  274. ShortTermer
    January 30th, 2012 at 11:03 am
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    You have to wonder? He has a penis, besides, he’s no real threat to the fraud.

  275. I know there are people here who are pro-abortion. You all probably know that I am against it. Fine. We have a difference in beliefs. Yet the following is big government stepping over the line. Besides forcing a church to go against its own doctrine, this decision sets a precedent for what the federal government can force on any group at any time. This is more than enough reason for me to never vote for the Dimocratic party again. As a Roman Catholic, I am offended/disgusted/sickened plus a host of other adjectives over this power grab. The balance that existed before is gone. Catholics need to consider this when they vote in 2012.
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    We Are All Abortionists Now (If Obamacare is allowed to stand. This clash was intended)
    National Review ^ | 01/30/2012 | By James C. Capretta
    Posted on January 30, 2012 9:59:33 AM EST by SeekAndFind

    The decision last week by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to reject the appeals of scores of religious leaders and retain a very narrow “religious” exemption from Obamacare’s so-called contraception mandate has ignited an uproar among Catholic leaders, as well it should — because it’s hard to fathom a government dictate more offensive than this one.

    Here’s how we got where we are: Obamacare includes within its massive delegation of power to the federal government the authority to define what constitutes “preventive services” that must be covered by all health-insurance plans sold and purchased in the United States, including plans sponsored by employers. Services defined by HHS as preventive for purposes of this provision are required under the new law to be covered by the insurer or employer with no charge to the insurance plan’s enrollees.

    Last August, in the course of writing a rule that would determine preventive health services for women, HHS decided that free contraception and sterilization services are a must. As a practical matter, that means all health-insurance plans sold in the United States in the very near future will include full coverage of products that terminate pregnancies, since some products classified by the FDA as contraceptives — and thus covered under the HHS definition — also act as abortifacients. While it is true that many insurance plans cover such products today, that’s mainly been the choice of the insurers and employers sponsoring the plans. HHS has now made such coverage obligatory nationwide, thus forcing tens of millions of pro-life Americans to pay for “services” with their health-insurance premiums that they find morally objectionable. (Grandfathered plans are exempt from this and other Obamacare rules, but the number qualifying for grandfathered status is expected to decline precipitously in the next couple of years.)

    Bad as all that is, it gets worse. Not only must Catholics who work for non-Catholic employers pay for such products with their premiums, HHS also wants religious employers to cover such products in their health plans. Knowing that Catholic leaders and others would strongly object to this requirement, HHS included in the regulation issued last August a narrow exemption from this requirement for employers that are basically houses of worship. Much larger religiously affiliated institutions, such as Catholic universities, hospitals, and charitable enterprises, do not fit within the HHS exemption.

    Not surprisingly, Catholic leaders were more than alarmed by the promulgation of this rule and have spent the time since its publication imploring the Obama White House and HHS to reverse course and loosen the exemption definition so that the full array of Catholic institutions and social-service agencies could get out from under this onerous and pernicious requirement. Among the more prominent groups that have weighed in on this are Catholic Charities USA, the University of Notre Dame, and the network of Catholic hospitals that serve millions of U.S. patients every year.

    This is not exactly a who’s-who list of the Catholic Right. If ever there were a group of Catholic institutions to which you would think that the Obama administration would want to be accommodating, this would be it.

    And so, what was the administration’s reaction to the pleadings of these friendly leaders? Basically, the back of the hand. Last Friday, Secretary Sebelius announced that religious organizations that do not fit within the previously stated exemption criteria will have only one additional year to comply with the regulation’s requirements.

    On one level, this was a truly stunning decision. Everything the administration has been doing in recent months has been political, with reelection plainly the primary motivation. But on the surface, this looks to be anything but a smart political move. With one decision, the Obama White House has made it all but impossible to sustain a serious Catholic argument in its favor. The veneer of religious tolerance, so carefully cultivated by Obama in the 2008 campaign, has now been completely stripped away.

    On another level, however, there’s nothing at all surprising about what has transpired. Indeed, with Obamacare, it was inevitable — only a matter of time.

    The central purpose of Obamacare — and the reason it was and is so strenuously opposed by so many Americans — is to transfer all of the critical decisions about how American health care operates to the federal government. Despite what the president contends, it is a federal takeover. The federal bureaucracy is now in the driver’s seat.

    And, with the federal government now calling all of the shots, it is a foregone conclusion that a decidedly secularist and utilitarian point of view will be pervasive in everything that is done. It is simply beyond the capacity of the modern federal government to even consider arguments questioning the wisdom of governmental policies promoting free and abundant contraception. Indeed, it is an article of faith in the modern bureaucratic context that pushing such “prevention” measures onto the American public is one more step on the long march to a more just and humane society.

    This is the environment in which we live. The hard truth is that the federal government cannot be trusted today with these kinds of decisions, and there’s no prospect of that changing anytime soon. That’s a big reason why Obamacare should never have been allowed to pass in the first place. Just the sight of Catholic leaders’ being forced to go begging before federal officials ought to be enough to convince most Americans that handing over so much power over such sensitive matters to the federal government was a terrible, terrible mistake.

    If the Sebelius decision is allowed to stand, large Catholic institutions all over the country will be forced to stop offering health coverage to their workers, because continuing to do so will be incompatible with their mission. And when they drop that coverage, they will be forced by Obamacare to pay huge fines to the federal government ($2,000 per worker at the outset). For a Catholic institution with 5,000 employees, that’s $10 million that won’t go toward helping the poor, taking care of patients, or educating future leaders.

    It is possible that the Obama administration will pull a political stunt later this year and broaden the exemption to curry favor with some gullible voters just before the election. But even if that were to happen, the real lesson of this episode should not be lost on anyone. Obamacare has handed over immense power to a federal government that is essentially hostile to religious sentiments. That’s a very dangerous state of affairs. Job number one must be to reverse course and replace Obamacare with a program more consistent with our Constitution and values.

    — James C. Capretta is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. He was an associate director at the Office of Management and Budget from 2001 to 2004.

  276. O and Newt debates: Newt would dog him into debates and make him look so weak that he would become a national joke even among his supporters; Lincoln did not want to debate Douglas either………….but we all know how that turned out. When history was somewhat taught in schools, it was one thing we did learn about…the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

    And the whole nation knows that ObaMAO would ‘rather switch than fight.’ He would ‘bring a knife’ while Newt ‘would bring a gun.’ You BETCHA!

  277. Romney seems to be more of a Democrat than a Republican. It’s the reason why so many Democrats/former Democrats/Democrat leaning Independents find him “moderate”. I read a recent article about his politics, and I wasn’t impressed. I thought I was reading something about a big spending Dimocrat. If I can find it again, I’ll post it here.

  278. Re: gonzotx
    January 30th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    What is the source for this info? I would like to use it to inform my group on FaceBook.

  279. nobama, that is exactly what I believe; Romney is Dimocrat Lite, or maybe not so light on some issues like RomneyCare. I WILL NOT vote for him.

  280. a little long…

    let me state the given: I am a Hillary supporter and hope somehow and someway she gets in and she has my unwavering support…Plan A…to beat O

    Plan B…to beat O…

    ok guys, I made it to the Romney rally in Pompano Beach last night…C-span carried it live and has repeated it a couple of times… this is my impression and the ‘visuals’…I am going to just call it like I saw it there last night…

    there were just about 700 people…it was a quickly arranged rally…Romney, and I am sure, Gingrich were all over the state in the last few days…and Romney had been in Naples, on the Gulf Coast, earlier in the day and then made his way to i think Sarasota and Plantation and then Pompano Beach, on the Atlantic Coast…there were probably other stops and maybe fundraisers in between but that is what I know…

    …so he got to Pompano around 6 pm…he went on at about 6:45 pm…i am sure it was a long day for him (and G)but he still looked youthful and was in a good mood…

    …of course all the MSM media was there, CNN, NBC, etc, etc, I saw Mike Allen (taller in person than he looks on TV) from Politico doing an interview and Peter Alexander from NBC was there…

    I was about 8 feet from Romney right in front of him in the center…I had a great position to observe…

    …Mitt and his family came out to a rousing applause…his wife Ann spoke first…ok…these are the visuals…she is beautiful, comes across very nice and is funny…very down to earth…she is a survivor of breast cancer and MS…then one of his sons said a few words, he had his little boy with him…

    Connie Mack and his wife, the ex-Mrs Bono were there, etc…Pam Biondi, the Fla AG, who is in the class action fight against Ocare was there and a R supporter…I think she said all the state AG’s that are in the suit against Ocare support Romney, something along those lines…

    then Mitt came on…the visuals…he is very handsome in person…tall, in great shape and both he and Ann look younger in person…they make a stunning, striking couple…sorry for some that won’t like to hear this…but they have ‘sex appeal’ and I don’t think they even know it!

    anyway Mitt went on about how they were high school sweethearts, etc and it does really come across as endearing and romantic…kind of old fashioned…(especially as juxtaposed…well you know what I mean)…it will play well with middle america…

    …contrary to what the MSM insists, Romney is not stiff or robotic in person (remember they said the same thing about Hillary)…he is easy going, maybe a bit corny, but if you took him out of this race and met him somewhere, the general consensus would be that he is a ‘nice guy’…he spoke for about 20 minutes without a teleprompter…he knew what he wanted to say (most of the basics we have heard)…

    personal point of reference here…I worked on the PR and TV production of the Los Angeles Summer Olympics and I know what a massive project that is, it goes on for years, so many international aspects to it…Romney was called into the Utah Olympics for Crisis Management and he succeeded…he reminded me of the very successful executives that ran the LA Olympics, Peter Ueberroth and Harry Usher…say what you want about Romney but he comes across as very self assured, not arrogant, and very competent…you can just picture him overseeing the crisis meetings and solving problems…

    he went after O and then commented on NG, mostly in a humorous, sarcastic way, not really mean…when he mentioned NG and his moon colony someone yelled out re: NG…

    …”send him to the moon”…it was funny…

    re: the comment above and what he would do with the saved money, as Nomobama corrected, Mitt did not say he would put it into Ocare, he said he would take care of the Veterans, etc and not waste it on more new spending…he emphasized he would NOT put it into Ocare…

    there were also hand printed signs that said “Florida Democrats for Romney” and one of the guys with that sign said he voted for O but was backing Romney…

    I made it a point to mingle and ask questions to people standing around in the room…there were other democrats there and Hillary supporters (this is Broward county)…I spoke with them and of course, they want Hillary and love her but will support Romney if he is it (and she is not in)…a couple of them did say if not R, they would force themselves to vote for G over O)

    there were also some people from other states there, spoke to one guy who is from Maryland and voted for O, his parents were with him, he is disappointed in O and will vote (in Maryland) for R because of his business acumen…thought his parents would still vote D

    at one point some young kid had some pink papers he was trying to push into R’s face and the secret service grabbed him and escorted him out pronto…I have to say that all of these candidates really do need protection because these rallys are wide open and even though they are surrounded by SS and body guards any nut can get to them (or us) if they want to (i do fear for R if he has to put up with the Obots)

    …so that was it…it was very positive, upbeat, and kind of fun…not malicious and/or mean spirited…focused and going forward…

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    my two cents…I am beginning to think that if anyone is going to run as an independent it would be Newt…imho, he hates R more than O and is becoming O’s best ally…i honestly think Newt would rather bring down the Repub party and Romney and elect O rather than Romney win…the contrast is striking…

  281. We were all Dems before…at least I believe so. Indie now. I can stomach a Repub mod better than what we have.

    Saint Newt is no Hillary, and you can take that to the bank.Dems are not going to dump the fraud. For better or worse, that bed is made. Wishful dreaming, just like 2008.

    MM will not allow him to go off on the fraud, it will all be planned out way ahead. He’ll start yelling, whining and they will make look the him fool. On a even playing field he could destroy the fraud, but that will not happen, we already know that..
    Most Indie and Dem women are appalled at the sight of him. Lot’s of baggage from the Clinton years. Lets face it, he has been on the government dime all his adult life and he tries to present himself as an outsider. Really hard to stomach.

    The info on Mitt’s background is from Wiki

  282. I remember in several debates Wilberrrrrrr said he would allow every state to opt out of ObamaCare.

    Gonzotx – I’m with ya on the earplugs… 😉

  283. Thanks S, glad to hear it. I worked with tons of Mormons and they were so America 1959. I actually loved working with them. Salt of the earth. Weird religion and not equal, but it works for them.

    In all honesty, look at all religions, Priests live often in opulence, Nuns are often their servants, Muslims, don’t even need to go there.

    speaking of same…Go Canada, they call it what it is, unlike America. horrible murders, monsters
    *****.

    MUSLIM FAMILY FOUND GUILTY IN CANADIAN HONOR KILLINGS
    Posted on January 29, 2012 at 3:42pm by

    Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Yahya and their son Hamed were each found guilty of murdering Shafia’s three teenage daughters and wife. Their bodies were found in a car submerged in an Ontario canal in 2009. (Canadian Press Photo)
    KINGSTON, Ontario (AP) — A jury on Sunday found an Afghan father, his wife and their son guilty of killing three teenage sisters and a co-wife in what the judge described as “cold-blooded, shameful murders“ resulting from a ”twisted concept of honor.”

    The jury took 15 hours to find Mohammad Shafia, 58; his wife Tooba Yahya, 42; and their son Hamed, 21, each guilty of four counts of first-degree murder in a case that shocked and riveted Canadians from coast to coast.

    (Related: ‘Honor Killing’: Muslim Father Charged With Daughters‘ Murder Said He’d Do it Again…100 Times)

    After the verdict was read, the three defendants again declared their innocence in the killings of sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar 17, and Geeti, 13, as well as Rona Amir Mohammad, 52, Shafia’s childless first wife in a polygamous marriage.

    Their bodies were found June 30, 2009, in a car submerged in a canal in Kingston, Ontario, where the family had stopped for the night on their way home to Montreal from Niagara Falls, Ontario.

    Prosecutors said the defendants allegedly killed the three teenage sisters because they dishonored the family by defying its disciplinarian rules on dress, dating, socializing and going online. Shafia’s first wife was living with him and his second wife. The polygamous relationship, if revealed, could have resulted in their deportation.

    The prosecution alleged it was a case of premeditated murder, staged to look like an accident after it was carried out. Prosecutors said the defendants drowned their victims elsewhere on the site, placed their bodies in the car and pushed it into the canal.

    Defense lawyers said the evidence suggested that the deaths were accidental. They said the Nissan car accidentally plunged into the canal after the eldest daughter, Zainab, took it for a joy ride.

    After the jury returned the verdicts, Mohammad Shafia, speaking through a translator, said, “We are not criminal, we are not murderer, we didn’t commit the murder and this is unjust.”

    His weeping wife, Tooba, also declared the verdict unjust, saying, “I am not a murderer, and I am a mother, a mother.”

    Their son, Hamed, speaking in English said, “I did not drown my sisters anywhere.”

    But Judge Robert Maranger was unmoved, saying the evidence clearly supported their conviction for “the planned and deliberate murder of four members of your family.”

    “It is difficult to conceive of a more despicable, more heinous crime … the apparent reason behind these cold-blooded, shameful murders was that the four completely innocent victims offended your completely twisted concept of honor … that has absolutely no place in any civilized society.”

    The family had left Afghanistan in 1992 and lived in Pakistan, Australia and Dubai before settling in Canada in 2007. Shafia, a wealthy businessman, married Yahya because his first wife could not have children.

    The months leading up to the deaths were not happy ones in the Shafia household, according to evidence presented at trial. Zainab, the oldest daughter, was forbidden to attend school for a year because she had a young Pakistani-Canadian boyfriend, and she fled to a shelter, terrified of her father, the court was told.

    The prosecution presented wire taps and cell phone records from the Shafia family in court. In one phone conversation, the father says his daughters “betrayed us immensely.”

    The wiretaps, which capture Shafia spewing vitriol about his dead daughters, calling them treacherous and whores and invoking the devil to defecate on their graves, were a focal point of the trial.

    But defense lawyers argued that at no point in the intercepts do the accused say they drowned the victims.

  284. Thanks for the summary of the Romney event, S. I have indicated that I would vote for him, but I am being honest here, I think that he isn’t much different than Obama as far a general policy is concerned. He supports things like Cap And Trade which will send many to the poor house of ever enacted because energy costs which already are prohibitive imo will skyrocket. He is too comfortable with the idea of Obamacare even though he says that he is against it, yet his Massaxhusetts record says maybe not so much. He taxed like crazy in Massachusetts even going abkve and beyond the tax friendly Democratic politicians in that state. There’s more, but you get my point. I just don’t know if I trust someone who has been shown to consistently flip flop. I want something considerably different. Someone who will take real control on spending. Anyway, I will hold my nose and vote for him if he is the nominee, but until that is decided, I will oppose him. My next post is an opinion piece on why Romney is not the best choice. It’s not the article that I read recently that gave specifics about Romney’s past, bu it touches on his past in a more general way. It also refers to Romney as being similar to Obama which is what I sense myself.

  285. Romney Explains Why He Can’t Beat Obama

    The most telling moment of the debate was (Romney’s) response to Rick Santorum’s eloquent explanation of Obamacare’s importance to the GOP’s strategy …and why giving Romney the nomination would be …surrendering the high ground on health reform: “Folks, we can’t give this issue away in this election. It is about fundamental freedom.” …Romney then uttered the most revealing words of the debate: “First of all, it’s not worth getting angry about.”

    Obama’s recent State of the Union address contained only three references to his “signature domestic achievement.” This is, as Michael Barone puts it, “the strongest evidence possible” that the President sees Obamacare as “a millstone around the neck of his campaign.”

    After becoming Governor of Massachusetts… he signed a health reform law that later became the model for Obamacare.

    Romney would also have us believe that he will repeal Obamacare in its entirety. … During a recent interview one of Romney’s most important advisors said, “We’re not going to do repeal…You can’t whole-cloth throw it out….”

    Romney’s affinity with Democrat positions has not been limited to health reform, of course. He has, for example, often agreed with them on Second Amendment rights.

    …abortion. He has changed his position on that issue at least three times….he said, “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country…. Now… he’s again “pro-life.” How he avoids vertigo while executing so many pirouettes is anyone’s guess.

    It will, however, be very easy for Obama …to exploit Romney’s flip-flops…The reporters and bloggers …will be reciting White House talking points. One wonders if, after his resultant loss in November, Romney will find this “worth getting angry about.”

    h… w… americanspectator.com
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    nomobama
    January 29th, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Get this. Romney said the following today in Panama City, FL. I started talking about waste in the Dept. of Defense, and how he would reduce it. One of the things that he would use the savings on was to “HELP PAY FOR Obamacare”. Good freak’n grief! Freudian slip? See 1:19 in youtube video below….

  286. It will, however, be very easy for Obama …to exploit Romney’s flip-flops…The reporters and bloggers …will be reciting White House talking points. One wonders if, after his resultant loss in November, Romney will find this “worth getting angry about.”
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    The fraud’s flip flops are legend. It will be the nominee’s job to hit that home, over and over. He will only get support from Fox, but he will need to be solid and unwavering.

    Thanks again S…

  287. Romney’s Law, 2012, and another $45 million

    h..w.. politicalbuff.com/political-buff/romneys-law-2012-and-another-45-million/

    Former Massachussetts Governor Mitt Romney is strongly leaning towards another run for President in 2012. Fresh off of winning 4.5 million votes in the 2008 Republican Primaries, and his third straight CPAC Straw Poll win, Mitt Romney is weighing whether he wants to spend another $45 million on another presidential campaign in 2012. Romney’s Free and Strong America Committee is already contributing to candidates who might be vulnerable in 2010, and is going to be making the rounds supporting those candidates on the ground. Although he has raised $2.1 million for this Committee, this article says only 12% of the money has been contributed to candidates.

    (Read: John Edwards here)

    Instead, the largest chunk of the money has gone to support Romney’s political ambitions, paying for salaries and consulting fees to over a half-dozen of Romney’s longtime political aides, according to a Globe review of expenditures.

    Romney founded the Free and Strong America Committee shortly after dropping out of the 2008 presidential primary. He filled its coffers by telling conservative contributors around the country that their money would be used to support Republican candidates and causes.

    But the best part is here:

    Although Romney raised dire warnings of Democrats “spending millions” to defeat Republicans last fall, the list of candidates who received funds [from Romney’s PAC] is dominated by incumbents who were either unopposed or headed to an easy victory, and who also endorsed his presidential candidacy.

    So a politician whose network is somewhere between $250 and $500 million, still steals money through the political system? Let’s call it Romney’s Law: Any politician, no matter how high his networth is, will seek to pillage the coffers of the government or of his supporters in an effort to preserve or increase his own wealth, or buy support from elected officials.

    This pic is embedded forever when I think of Romney:

    http://www.epluribusunumblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mitt-romney.gif

  288. Again, apologies for my typos. This Iphone is not the easiest thing to “type” on. Many times I catch my errors as I am typing them, but it’s obvious that I don’t catch all of them. Also, once I type a comment, it’s difficult to scroll around the comment (which is in very small print) to find any errors that remain. Still, I hope my comments are understood for what I intended them to mean.

  289. Gonzo, that may be true for most. I believe Hillary is not in the picture for 2012. I want to ensure that BO is not the winner in 2012. More importantly, I want his power grabs turned back. I want the federal government weakened, and lessened in size. The Constitution promoted states rights, not federalism per se. The federal government has gotten out of control, and I don’t believe the Dimocratic party of today is willing to do anything about it. I also do not think Romney is either. Gingrich and Clinton worked together to get the government into surplus territory. Neither did it on their own. That’s one of the reasons Gingrich has some appeal to me. If he can help make that happen again, then I would actually vote for him again.

  290. nomobama, I understand and respect your POV…

    I guess i view R a little different…i think of him as a moderate, more in line with Hillary…not quite as heartless as the more strident repubs…he seems conservative about spending and money but has a heart and is more open minded about social issues though he has to keep that under wraps…

    do you have an opinion on how Newt will respond if he does not get the nomination?
    I do not get the feeling he will support R and play nice…he burns a lot of bridges…

    …ditto for the typos and spelling errors on my part…i go on the assumption that we all understand what we are trying to say regardless of them…

  291. nomobama…in case you have not already checked, you will find many articles to support your POV at newsmax.com….they are very conservative and do not like R

  292. Our Lady busy as usual.

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    January 30, 2012

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the assistant secretaries, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    2:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends President Obama’s bilateral meeting Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, at the White House.

  293. I usually don’t visit Newsmax because I just never think of going there. I did like to visit that site back in 2007/2008 because of their NoObama articles.

  294. the mayor of Oakland is rethinking her support for the occupiers

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    What support? Last I heard, she was in trouble for treating OWS too harshly — including a veteran getting seriuosly injured by the police, and the police throwing missiles at the people trying to help him.

  295. I think Newt will fall in line if he loses. As someone here previously noted, government is his life, and party membership has some privileges. I do not know if he will go all out for Romney, but if by chance Santorum is the nominee, I think Gingrich would go out of his way to help Rick out.

  296. In an interview with CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Trump blasted Republican infighting in the nominating process and argued it was hurting the party’s chances to beat President Obama in 2012.

    “I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s Republican against Republican, and yet the level of hatred, I guess you could say, I mean, there’s no other word for it, is unbelievable,” he told CBS News’ Bob Schieffer. “The question is, are they hurting themselves? Are they hurting the party? Are they hurting the Republicans, and are they hurting their chances of winning an election against Barack Obama? And probably the answer is yes.”

    Trump said he thinks GOP rivals Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are “both strong guys, they’re both tough guys” who would have a “very good chance” of beating Mr. Obama in 2012.

    But, he said, he wouldn’t rule out the possibility of running as an independent if “I don’t see a person that, number one, is going to win.”

    “You know, I look at the different polls and one of the big things is, can they win? I just think it’s really important for whoever’s chosen to be able to win,” Trump said.

    “I think people dislike the Republicans and the Democrats more than they ever have,” he added. “So I actually think the right Independent could win, and there was a poll about a month ago, you saw it, where I was the number one Independent choice.”

    Even so, the businessman, who last year publicly considered a presidential bid under the Republican party before deciding against it, said he didn’t want to run unless the people demanded it.

  297. nomobama
    January 30th, 2012 at 11:11 am
    I know there are people here who are pro-abortion. You all probably know that I am against it.

    ====================

    Do you agree with Hillary on ANYTHING?

  298. Clinton to Attend Arab League’s UN Appeal for Syria Peace Plan

    Jan 29, 2012

    Clinton to Attend Arab League’s UN Appeal for Syria Peace Plan
    By Nicole Gaouette and Flavia Krause-Jackson – Jan 29, 2012 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will attend a United Nations Security Council meeting Jan. 31 to show support for an Arab League plan to end the violence in Syria, an Obama administration official said.

    Clinton will push the 22-member group’s proposal for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down in favor of a national unity government, according to the official, who was not authorized to speak on the record.

    The Security Council began talks on Jan. 27 on a new Arab- European draft resolution to resolve the crisis, which has claimed more than 5,000 lives since it began a year ago, according to the UN. The draft faces strong opposition from China as well as Russia, which has indicated it will not support efforts to bring about regime change.

    Syria has rejected the proposal, saying it infringes on its sovereignty.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-30/clinton-to-attend-arab-league-s-un-appeal-for-syria-peace-plan.html

  299. At least HHS is right about something!

    It’s not just Santorum who is against CONTRACEPTIVES even for married adults. The Catholics are going after even “The Pill” by labeling it an ‘abortifacient’.

    It’s all very well to say that real abortion is a small issue or a lost cause. But this is about denying ALL contraceptives to women who need them covered in their health insurance.

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    We Are All Abortionists Now (If Obamacare is allowed to stand. This clash was intended)
    National Review ^
    Last August, in the course of writing a rule that would determine preventive health services for women, HHS decided that free contraception and sterilization services are a must. As a practical matter, that means all health-insurance plans sold in the United States in the very near future will include full coverage of products that terminate pregnancies, since some products classified by the FDA as contraceptives — and thus covered under the HHS definition — also act as abortifacients.
    [….]
    It is simply beyond the capacity of the modern federal government to even consider arguments questioning the wisdom of governmental policies promoting free and abundant contraception. Indeed, it is an article of faith in the modern bureaucratic context that pushing such “prevention” measures onto the American public is one more step on the long march to a more just and humane society.

    This sentence is weasel-worded:
    ” all health-insurance plans sold in the United States in the very near future will include full coverage of products that terminate pregnancies, since some products classified by the FDA as contraceptives — and thus covered under the HHS definition — also act as abortifacients.”

    It should say “full coverage of SOME products that MAY RARELY terminate WHAT THE PRO-LIFE PEOPLE CALL pregnancies”. As it stands, the sentence suggests that ALL real abortifacients would be covered.

  300. Romney was called into the Utah Olympics for Crisis Management and he succeeded

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    Crisis management was what they called it when he hosed the dog on the car then continued at wind chill speeds.

    The cartoons write themselves….

  301. TDO

    Please, lets not get started on the religious issues of birth control, Rove v Wade is bad enough.

    I try to keep passing over the comments for the past couple of days, move along…nothing happening here, but these two issues are just like tossing gasoline on a flame.

  302. One of the things that he would use the savings on was to “HELP PAY FOR Obamacare”.

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    Didn’t that turn out to be a misquote, leaving out the word ‘NOT’?

  303. Yet Another Green Energy Stimulus Recipient Hits the Skids (the third this week!)

    Earlier this week, Stimulus beneficiary Evergreen Energy bit the dust.

    Then, Ener1, a manufacturer of batteries for electric vehicles and recipient of Stimulus largesse, filed for bankruptcy.

    And today, the Las Vegas Sun reports that Amonix, Inc., a manufacturer of solar panels that received $5.9 million from the Porkulus, will cut two-thirds of its workforce, about 200 employees, only seven months after opening a factory in Nevada.

    http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/01/27/drip-drip-drip-yet-another-green-energy-stimulus-recipient-hits-the-skids-the-third-this-week/

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love for electric cars, etc to do well…but did Barry just give out Millions to every Tom, Dick and Harry green start up without doing his homework? Oh yea, Barry always gets a free pass so why would he think companies should have to do any different?

  304. Truth is we don’t want either of them we want Hillary, not going to happen in 2012.

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    Well, it’s a very long shot, but a panic among the DNC and the delegates might bring her (or some non-DINO) in as a draft. I don’t think Gingrich will panic them, though.

  305. Gingrich and Clinton worked together to get the government into surplus territory.

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    I guess that’s why Gingrich impeached Bill. After sending STarr after him.

  306. I guess i view R a little different…i think of him as a moderate, more in line with Hillary…not quite as heartless as the more strident repubs…

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    Whether Romney really has a heart may be debateable. But he doesn’t depend as much on crazy Religious Right votes as Gingrich does.

  307. just a hunch on my part…but the more i think about it, the more i would not be surprised if Cain, Sarah, and Newt all went rogue together against the repub establishment and started there own independent thing…

    i am not kidding, i could see that happening…they would envision it their movement for the future…and of course, re-elect O in the meantime…collateral damage…

  308. Thanks, S. for the rundown on Romney.

    I have not seen him in person but I get the feeling he would appear quite genuine, more so than on camera. His family seems lovely.

    Gonzo, thanks for the wiki excerpt. I posted part of Romney’s earlier life a few days ago including the part where he spent almost 3 years in France as a missionary.

    Re Mormonism – I know polygamy was banned in the 1890’s. There is a group in the Catskill called the Twelve Tribes – similar in many ways to Mormonsim – the most wonderful people. Now I would never join their sect but they are lovely to deal with. Kind, generous, humble, hardworking and honest.

  309. Shadowfax
    January 30th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    And, some good news…

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    that was interesting, shadowfax…

    I will be curious to see who Steve Winn endorses…he has been very vocal against O

  310. RCP Average 1/24 – 1/29 — — 41.6 29.1 12.8 10.1 Romney +12.5
    Insider Advantage 1/29 – 1/29 646 LV 3.8 36 31 12 12 Romney +5
    PPP (D) 1/28 – 1/29 733 LV 3.6 39 32 14 11 Romney +7
    Suffolk University 1/28 – 1/29 500 LV 4.5 47 27 12 9 Romney +20
    Rasmussen Reports 1/28 – 1/28 750 LV 4.5 44 28 12 10 Romney +16
    Quinnipiac 1/27 – 1/29 539 LV 4.2 43 29 11 11 Romney +14
    SurveyUSA 1/27 – 1/29 500 LV 4.5 41 26 12 12 Romney +15
    NBC News/Marist 1/25 – 1/26 366 LV 5.5 42 27 16 11 Romney +15
    Miami Herald/Mason-Dixon 1/24 – 1/26 500 LV 4.5 42 31 14 6 Romney +11
    Sunshine State News/VSS 1/24 – 1/26 865 LV 3.3 40 31 12 9 Romney +9

  311. GALLUPUSATODAY POLL OF SWING STATES:

    Obama 47% Romney 48%
    Obama 50% Paul 43%
    Obama 51% Santorum 44%
    Obama 54% Gingrich 40%

  312. Shadowfax
    January 30th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
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    Pls note that my short post you disapproved of, was mostly quoting Nobama’s long post at “nomobama January 30th, 2012 at 11:11 am” — which introduced the topic you disapprove of.

    His was quoted from National Review, and his whole post was 1,295 words.

  313. shadowfax, those were both funny pictures…you always seem to bring some good laughs…
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    Basil99…
    January 30th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I think you are right in your perception…

  314. I would love for electric cars, etc to do well…but did Barry just give out Millions to every Tom, Dick and Harry green start up without doing his homework?

    ===================

    He may have read his donors list.

    But on the whole issue, first we’d have to know the survival rate of other start-ups in that industry — and of start-ups in non-green industries, and overall. The nya nya write-ups never seem to mention that.

  315. S
    I try, without a little humor now and then…it get’s pretty dismal sometimes with Barry at the helm.

  316. You know turndownobama, thr impeachment and their working together in Congress do not have anything to do with eachother. More than anything, your comments show me that you are a true ideologue. Have you ever in your life even changed one tiny bit, even as the world changed around you?

    I didn’t comment on this back during Christmas, but when you wishes everyone a “Merry whatever” type comment, and all I could think is she can’t even get herself to type the word “Christmas” even though you know that most people here were wishing eachother that sentiment. I though that strange, but at least you made an attempt. Now, I read your comment about those “crazy religious right”, and have to ask you what is so “crazy” about them? You’ll pander to the murderously crazy religion of Islam, but bash Christians. I find that confusing. I will tell you this though. The religion of the Bible is far supreme to the pseudo religion of political thought emanating from the left that some seem to use as a substitute for believing in God. Politics, and those who use it as if it were a religion will never supplant God as far as I am concerned. I may not be a Romney fan, but just the fact that he puts his money where his mouth is by tithing 10% of his income tells me that he does have a heart, and he doesn’t depend on government to do his giving for him which shouldn’t be the role of government in the first place. The less that the government is able to get it hands into its citizens pockets, the better.

    By the way, I remember reading a survey a few years back that showed that people of a religious background were more generous when it came to giving to charity. What does that say about those who profess a belief in God

  317. You know turndownobama, thr impeachment and their working together in Congress do not have anything to do with eachother. More than anything, your comments show me that you are a true ideologue. Have you ever in your life even changed one tiny bit, even as the world changed around you?

    I didn’t comment on this back during Christmas, but when you wishes everyone a “Merry whatever” type comment, and all I could think is she can’t even get herself to type the word “Christmas” even though you know that most people here were wishing eachother that sentiment. I though that strange, but at least you made an attempt. Now, I read your comment about those “crazy religious right”, and have to ask you what is so “crazy” about them? You’ll pander to the murderously crazy religion of Islam, but bash Christians. I find that confusing. I will tell you this though. The religion of the Bible is far supreme to the pseudo religion of political thought emanating from the left that some seem to use as a substitute for believing in God. Politics, and those who use it as if it were a religion will never supplant God as far as I am concerned. I may not be a Romney fan, but just the fact that he puts his money where his mouth is by tithing 10% of his income tells me that he does have a heart, and he doesn’t depend on government to do his giving for him which shouldn’t be the role of government in the first place. The less that the government is able to get it hands into its citizens pockets, the better.

    By the way, I remember reading a survey a few years back that showed that people of a religious background were more generous when it came to giving to charity. What does that say about those who profess a belief in God?

  318. Romney is Dimocrat Lite

    ============================

    Somebody else said “We all used to be Democrats” iirc.

    Voting GOP to get rid of DINO Obama and his Bots is one thing. But it looks like some people are throwing Hillary’s FDR policies out with the bathwater too. We can put them on hold for a term, but saying Hillary/FDR are WRONG is … er, wrong.

  319. I understand Newt’s attraction and his clear intelligence but I holinestly feel he is a “show horese” and not a “work horse.”

    Remember how that worked out in 2008?

    Also, I don’t like Newt’s constant carping about the way he is treated. Reminds me of BO’s whining how misunderstood HE is.

    Anyway, I’m still committed to supporting the anti-BO but think Mitt would be a better candidate.

  320. thr impeachment and their working together in Congress do not have anything to do with each other.

    =====================

    ROTFL!

  321. Mrs. Smith
    January 30th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    peer pressure?

    Oy- adolescent High School tactics sadly not outgrown…
    ***********

    so glad you have some insight, acceptance is always the first step. DBP therapy is also very helpful, hope you have a program near you or a skilled therapist. BPD is a bitch, kudos to you for taking that first step to sanity…

  322. GO Allen West!

    (via AOS)

    Allen West To Obama, Pelsoi, Reid, and Wasserman-Schultz: Get The Hell Out of the Country

    “Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America.”

    “I will not allow President Obama to take the United States of America and destroy it. If that means I’m the number one target for the Democratic Party, I’ve got one thing to say: Bring it on, baby.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/28/allen_west_tells_liberal_leaders_to_get_the_hell_out_of_the_usa.html

  323. Electric cars are not entirely green. After all, they need to hook up to the grid, and the power supplied to that grid comes from either the burning of coal or oil for the most part. Create a car that is totally off the grid, and that will be something to really be excited about.

  324. Contraceptive coverage is RIGHTLY a flash point. Contraceptive coverage in Obamacare is a current practical issue. The candidates have different policies on contraceptives in general. This is on topic and important. It shows us where several of the candidates and their supporters are coming from.

    There was also a current, practical move by the GOP House to defund all Planned Parenthood services, on the charge of “abortion.”

    We may think actual abortion is a lost cause, but we need to know that what the RR is calling “abortion” is an excuse to attack the accepted contraceptives that most people already use.

    Bills to define a fertilized egg as a ‘person’ are also current in many states. That would make anything that prevents that egg from implanting an ‘abortion.’ Convenventional birth control pills prevent the ovaries from producing eggs, but some opponents claim that on the rare chance that an egg has just been released and fertilized, it can be prevented from implanting by starting bc pills. Because of this, they are calling bc pills ‘abortifacients’.

    We need to understand what the Religious Right is trying to do here — especially when someone posts 1,295 words of the anti-contraceptive position.

  325. If I remember correctly, Gingrich seriously started working with Clinton after taking heat for shutting down Congress. The eventual result was that both he and Clinton were pulled toward the center.

  326. After all, they need to hook up to the grid, and the power supplied to that grid comes from either the burning of coal or oil for the most part. Create a car that is totally off the grid, and that will be something to really be excited about.

    =======================

    Some people already have local, green sources of electricity. Some parking lots have solar panels on the roof that charge your car while it’s parked there.

    Even electricity that comes through ‘the grid’ is coming more and more from green sources.

  327. If I remember correctly, Gingrich seriously started working with Clinton after taking heat for shutting down Congress.

    =================

    Then impeached him in 1998.

  328. It wasn’t more than a few weeks ago that Detroit was touted as having achieved remarkable recovery based perhaps on # of cars sold. Toyota had become the underdog and that may be so. But then there’s this:

    Treasury ups auto bailout loss estimate
    Last fall, the government dramatically boosted its forecast of losses on the rescues of General Motors Co., Chrysler Group LLC and their finance units from $14 billion to $23.6 billion.
    Much of the increase in losses is due to the sharp decline of GM’s stock price over the last six months.
    GM was trading at noon today at $24.24. It’s down 35 percent over its 52-week-high of $37.23, but the Detroit automaker has rebounded from a low set last year of $19.05.
    The Treasury, which initially held a 61 percent majority stake in GM, now holds a 26.5 percent share, or 500 million shares in GM. To break even, the government would need to average $53 per share for its remaining stake.
    At current prices, the government would lose more than $14 billion on its GM bailout.
    The sharp decline in GM’s stock price has put the government’s sale of its remaining shares on hold.
    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120130/AUTO01/201300393/Treasury-ups-auto-bailout-loss-estimate

    There are not enough hours in the day to track what all is going on and in that regard, I’d like to be a fly on the wall watching admin & crew working their fast and furious clip to get out that long-awaited Donna edition.
    Election going to have to come first though?

  329. “After all, they need to hook up to the grid, and the power supplied to that grid comes from either the burning of coal or oil for the most part.

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT TO MENTION THE lOW LOW MILEAGE – you know, pulling off the highway every 60 miles or so to recharge!

    👿

  330. Oopsie!

    More Solyndra-style failure: Obama-tied Amonix Inc lays off most of company
    By Neil Munro – The Daily Caller Published: 12:56 PM 01/30/2012

    Some of President Barack Obama’s top donors and fundraising bundlers are partners in Amonix Inc., the latest Solyndra-like corporate crash. The company has announced a layoff of 200 workers — two-thirds of its workforce — despite a federal green-technology tax credit of $5.9 million in 2010.

    The investors include John Doerr’s venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Daniel Weiss’ Angeleno Group LLC and Steve Westly’s eponymous Westly Group, according to Amonix’s website.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/30/more-solyndra-style-failure-obama-tied-amonix-inc-lays-off-most-of-company/#ixzz1kyWrkXkM

  331. Double Oopsie!

    Global warming activists seek to purge ‘deniers’ among local weathermen
    By Caroline May – The Daily Caller Published: 11:23 AM 01/30/2012

    Concerned that too many “deniers” are in the meteorology business, global warming activists this month launched a campaign to recruit local weathermen to hop aboard the alarmism bandwagon and expose those who are not fully convinced that the world is facing man-made doom.

    The Forecast the Facts campaign — led by 350.org, the League of Conservation Voters and the Citizen Engagement Lab — is pushing for more of a focus on global warming in weather forecasts, and is highlighting the many meteorologists who do not share their beliefs.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/30/global-warming-activists-seek-to-purge-deniers-among-local-weathermen/#ixzz1kyXOhg6N

    Oh, and OWS SYMPATHIZERS – Even the San Fran Mayor has had her fill after they occupied City Hall over the week causing millions in damage and hundreds were arrested. And even as I type, Washington D.C. camp is being evacuated.

  332. And on a lighter note.

    $189,000
    That’s the astounding amount each of us owes for our national doubt and unfunded entitlements

    headshotMichael Tanner

    Forget President Obama’s speech on Tuesday night, the current state of our union can be summed up in just two words: We’re broke.

    The president devoted just 189 words to the deficit and our growing national debt, but the fact is that once again this year we will borrow 32 cents out of every dollar we spend. Overall, our national debt now tops $15.2 trillion (with Congress raising the debt ceiling to $16.4 trillion last week). And that doesn’t count the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare. Throw those in, and our total indebtedness exceeds $120 trillion.
    Getty Images

    That means that if one counts only the official national debt, every man, woman and child in America owes $48,700. Include the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare, and every one of us is in debt to the tune of $189,000.

    Or look at it another way. One can’t pick up a newspaper these days without reading a story about the debt crisis in Europe. France, for example, just had its credit rating downgraded. Yet, measured as a percentage of GDP (the value of all goods and services produced in a country over a year), our budget deficit is roughly a quarter larger than France’s. In fact, among European countries, only Greece and Ireland have larger deficits this year than we do.

    The debt figures paint an even grimmer picture. If one includes all the unfunded liabilities of pension and health-care systems, Greece’s total debt equals 875% of its GDP. France, the next-most insolvent country in Europe, owes 570% of GDP. The United States, however, now owes 885% of GDP, more than any other industrialized country.

    We have been able to avoid disaster so far only because, as the world’s preferential currency, other countries have been willing to lend us money cheaply. But that is not going to continue forever. And if our creditors begin to hike interest rates, we will be facing the same economic consequences facing so much of Europe today.

    The president, when he deigns to mention the issue at all, suggests that this problem could be solved if only the rich pay their “fair share.” Of course some might suggest that the rich already pay their fair share, since the much-reviled 1% earn 16% of all income in this country, but pay 36.7% of all federal income taxes. More important, however, in this context, you simply cannot tax the rich enough to solve our debt crisis.

    Take the much-discussed Buffett Rule that the president focused so much attention on during the State of the Union address. Whatever one thinks of how investment income should be taxed compared to wage income, the president’s proposal would raise less than $37 billion per year. That amounts to less than 3% of this year’s deficit. In fact, if we were to confiscate — not just tax, but confiscate — every penny owned by every millionaire and billionaire in America, it would pay barely one-tenth of our government’s total indebtedness.

    That is because the debt is only a symptom of the underlying disease — a government that is growing ever larger, more intrusive and more costly. We tend to think of Europe as the home of big government. Indeed, on average, European governments consume roughly 49% of their country’s GDP. That means that roughly half of everything produced in that country is consumed by government.

    However, we are not that far behind. Today, our federal government alone consumes roughly 25% of GDP. State and local governments take another 10% to 15% of GDP. And, the Congressional Budget Office projects that the federal government is currently on course to grow to 43% of GDP by mid-century. Add in state and local spending, and we will have a bigger government then than any European country except Ireland has today. One only has to look to the chronically high unemployment rates and slow economic growth in most of Europe to see what a government that size would mean for us.

    Yet, as we hurtle towards a Greek-style calamity, the president offered us a laundry list of new government spending — for health care, student loans, green energy, job training, hiring veterans, more teachers and so forth. That may have made for a good campaign tactic, but it bares little resemblance to economic reality.

    That reality is very simple. We’re broke. Mr. President, are you paying attention?

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_V5KvB19adtZ9fXbLNGMaRO#ixzz1kyZ8LvoG

  333. That $189G is roughly $90G higher than when BO took over.

    OTOH,

    Stay classy OWS.

    PROVIDENCE, RI, January 30, 2012 – Demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street movement threw condoms on Catholic schoolgirls, refused to allow a Catholic priest to give a closing prayer, and shouted down a pro-life speaker at a Rhode Island right to life rally on Thursday, according to its organizer. The event marked the third time protesters associated with the movement have disrupted a pro-life meeting in a week.

    About two-dozen members of Occupy Providence hiked from Burnside Park to the 39th Annual Pro-Life State House Rally organized by the Rhode Island State Right to Life Committee on Thursday.

    The pro-life organization’s executive director, Barth E. Bracy, told LifeSiteNews.com that, near the end of the rally, the Occupiers “strategically fanned out with military precision.”

  334. Whaf I posted was in defense of a church having the right to stand behind a central part of its belief system. If someone wants an abortion, why should any medical establishment that is associated with the Catholic Church have to perform it? If the Catholic Church’s well known beliefs about abortion and contraception are trampled by an overreaching government, then it’s just another example of rigtts being denied by gorvernment. One would think that anyone who doesn’t follow Catholic belief would use another venue not associated with the Catholic Church. The issue is Church rights as opposed to abortion rights which are still legal, and practiced throughout the land. Leave the Catholic Church to formulate its own policy without government interference. I am sure you wouldn’t like it i the Church instructed everyone that wasn’t a church member as what to do.

  335. Michael Reagan Blasts Romney for Smears on Gingrich

    Republicans eating their own? What would Reagan say? Oh, thats right- Romney = Obama.. So…

    Limbaugh, Mike Reagan Blast Romney for Smears on Gingrich

    Ronald Reagan’s eldest son Mike Reagan has issued a statement lambasting Mitt Romney and his supporters for claims that Romney’s Republican presidential rival Newt Gingrich was a strong critic of President Reagan. Mike Reagan says such claims are false.

    Even Rush Limbaugh, shocked by the Romney claims, chimed on his Thursday radio broadcast to say, “This is obviously a coordinated attack to take Newt out here in Florida.”

    Rush slammed the Romney-backed smear campaign against Newt.

    “That kind of stuff is why people hate Romney so much,” Limbaugh said.

    Limbaugh added that Newt has always been a conservative from his early days in national talk radio in the 1980s.

    “He was perhaps the premier defender of Ronald Reagan,” Limbaugh said.

    http://www.redstate.com/williamjameson/2012/01/27/micheal-reagan-blasts-romney-for-smears-on-gingrich/

  336. Two peas in a pod:

    Romney Care/Obama Care.. what the difference?

    Obama must be dancing in the streets having a rollover for an opponent..

  337. UN Textbooks for Palestinian Children ‘Explosively Anti-Semitic, Anti-American and Anti-Israeli’

    January 26, 2012

    The textbooks used to educate Palestinian children who live in refugee camps came under fire at a briefing on Wednesday on Capitol Hill where experts said lessons of intolerance and hatred toward Jews and Israel fill the books’ pages.

    Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), chairman of the House subcommittee on Human Rights and co-chairman of the Bi-Partisan Coalition for Combating Anti-Semitism, told CNSNews.com that U.S. donations to the United Nations Refugee and Works Agency (UNRWA) make the federal government accountable for what is in the books.

    “We are responsible for the content and the content has been, year in and year out, explosively anti-Semitic, anti-American and anti-Israeli,” Smith said, at the event he hosted with the Center for Near-East Policy Research, which is based in Jerusalem and which has studied the topic extensively .

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/un-textbooks-palestinian-children-explosively-anti-semitic-anti-american-and-anti
    ____________

    So, the UN is complicit in promoting Hatred and bigotry- Why are we funding the UN?

  338. Tea Party Patriots, Conservatives, Christians RISE UP!! Defend America, Life and Liberty!!

    No don’t- We’re enamored with Romney’s good looks and having a pretty wife. Besides, we cannot disseminate a LIE from the Truth.

    What does Palin and Reagan’s son know anyway- they’re supporting Newt. I believe everything Romney has to say because he’s just like Obama and I voted for him based on looks and his promised Change campaign.!

    Romney is an empty suit!! The only things he has ever accomplished in government are all bad!!

    We cannot possibly allow the man who fathered RomneyCare which morphed into ObamaCare which ignited the flame that became the Tea Party become the Republican nominee for President of the Untied States!!

    The man who denied Ronald Reagan, ran to the left of Ted Kennedy, bans guns, allows Massachusetts to become the first state in the union to implement same sex marriage, pushed socialist healthcare and individual mandates on his own people, appointed liberal activist judges, imposed tax payer funded abortion, raised taxes and fees, busted budgets and lies constantly about his own past record of betrayal while denigrating the actual conservative accomplishments of others cannot possibly be the very best the GOP has to offer!!

    Romney’s only accomplishments in government have been LIBERAL!!

    The man has NO conservative achievements!! No core conservative principles!! NONE!! Has NEVER lifted a finger for any of our conservative causes!! He is in fact a disgusting LYING LIBERAL!!

    Wake up America!! He cannot possibly beat Obama. There are no differences between his accomplishments and Obama’s and the liberal media will be only too happy to point that out daily and hourly!!

    He is Obama lite!!

  339. It seems that Limbaugh came out a little more stridently against tbe Newt bashing than he first appeared to do.

  340. nomobama
    January 30th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Limbaugh might be too little too late- but theres always hope- if as I said previously said, the election is close and in the end considered a tie..

  341. I know that promoting conservatives is a turnoff for some. I am moderate to moderately comservative in outlook with a libertarian streak. I am not as threatened by conservativism. With that written, I am getting some chuckles from some of the links posted here. I also want to reiterate tha it is ABO for me… anyone but Obama. I’ll take a person who supports conservativism over a lying, sympathetic marxist “person of the world” any day.

  342. Shadowfx,

    Have you seen this?

    Remember WHI account of Ken Kumwata and the BO candidate he was opposing for CA AG – Kamala Harris – and how Kumwta then turned up dead?

    “Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi talked about the recent foreclosure settlement deal being negotiated between the state Attorney Generals, including California’s bold Kamala D. Harris, and the banks.

    “If they do this for real, if they do this like an Enron-style investigation, you could have half the luminaries on Wall Street doing prison time…. they all made enormous profits from selling mismarked and over-evaluated mortgages to unsuspecting investors,” Taibbi said.”
    *************************************************************************************
    Calif. Atty. Gen. Kamala D. Harris’ office has called a proposed $25-billion settlement with the nation’s mortgage industry “inadequate.”

    “We’ve reviewed the details of the latest settlement proposal from the banks, and we believe it is inadequate for California,” Shum Preston, a spokesman for Harris, said in a statement. “Our state has been clear about what any multistate settlement must contain: transparency, relief going to the most distressed homeowners and meaningful enforcement that ensures accountability. At this point, this deal does not suffice for California.”

  343. Believe me I feel bad for admin- admin spends hours doing research, sterling advise in lengthy postings. The coffee clatch crowd drinking from the same pool, ignore it all.

  344. Romney’s Bain Capital Owns Media Giant Broadcasting Limbaugh, Hannity Is this a joke? hardly!

    Activists are expressing serious concerns that Mitt Romney’s private equity firm Bain Capital owns one of America’s largest media conglomerates, Clear Channel Communications, Inc., which broadcasts numerous popular talk-show hosts with incalculable influence in the 2012 GOP primary.

    Among the radio personalities syndicated by Clear Channel or aired on hundreds of stations it owns nationwide are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and many others.

    Because of the San Antonio-based media giant’s enormous influence — it is the largest owner of radio stations in the United States, and experts point out that it essentially owns what has come to be known as the conservative talk-radio industry — Romney critics, supporters of Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, Tea Party groups, and elections commentators are all raising the alarm.

    Some analysts are even calling for the firm to disclose the fact that Romney’s Bain Capital owns a station or syndicates a show whenever a media personality is reporting on the Republican presidential campaign.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/10547-romneys-bain-capital-owns-media-giant-broadcasting-limbaugh-hannity
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    If Romney is the nominee… buck up for the softball throwing that will get to the bottom of it all- A-yup!

  345. Mrs. Smith. I think that Gingrich is going to win. There’s more every day type people than elitists in this state, and I believe that gives Newt an edge. I read that he just might be surging like he did in South Carolina. I do not remember who the man is that wrote something that I read yesterday, but he predicted Gingrich’s win in South Carolina even before anyone thought it could happen (but by a lesser %), and he’s predicting a +3% win in Florida for Gingrich. i wrote yesterday about a couple of my friends here voting for Gingrich, but one told me last night thst he is voting for Santorum, but thinks Gingrich will win. The guy is a gay conservative who is comfortable supporting the boogeyman Santorum. He’d be ok with Gingrich, too, but he really liked Perry, and Bachman. He’s a transplant from the midwest.

  346. BASIL99

    Shadowfx,

    Have you seen this?

    Remember WHI account of Ken Kumwata and the BO candidate he was opposing for CA AG – Kamala Harris – and how Kumwta then turned up dead?
    ——-
    Thanks for pulling my attention to this Basil99, I was sort of lost in a fog on some of the last comments on the blog and it took a few seconds to realize what this was about.
    Thanks.

  347. Basil99’s story up thread continues…

    [snip]

    The proposed $25-billion settlement would cover only mortgages held by the banks privately and exclude those from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    The biggest component of the deal would be a $17-billion principal reduction program that the Center for Responsible Lending this week said would “provide an important template for ways banks can use principal reduction to reduce unnecessary foreclosures and put the country back on a path to economic recovery.”

    That money would go toward writing down the principal of homeowners who are “underwater,” on their mortgages, or owe more on their properties than they are currently worth. Negotiators estimate that about 1 million homeowners could benefit, with an average principal reduction on those loans of $20,000.

    In addition, $5 billion would go to a reserve account for state and federal programs and to individual homeowners harmed by bad servicing practices. Negotiators estimate about 750,000 people could receive checks for about $1,800. An additional $3 billion would help homeowners refinance their loans at a rate of 5.25%.

    In exchange, attorneys general would agree to release the banks from further action related to the improper servicing of loans as well as claims against originating mortgages. Several attorneys general, including New York’s Eric Schneiderman and California’s Harris, have voiced concerns that those releases are overly broad and would preclude them from carrying out ongoing investigations.

    Schneiderman was appointed Tuesday by President Obama as co-chairman of a new investigative effort that will try to coordinate existing federal and state probes into mortgage practices before the financial crisis. Schneiderman promised Wednesday to move aggressively.

    A spokesman for Schneiderman said in a statement that the New York attorney general would not sign onto a foreclosure settlement that would limit his ability to carry out investigations of the mortgage crisis.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-mortgage-settlement-20120125,0,7414913.story

  348. Re: turndownobama
    January 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    Romney is Dimocrat Lite

    ============================

    Somebody else said “We all used to be Democrats” iirc.

    Voting GOP to get rid of DINO Obama and his Bots is one thing. But it looks like some people are throwing Hillary’s FDR policies out with the bathwater too. We can put them on hold for a term, but saying Hillary/FDR are WRONG is … er, wrong.

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    So now you are taking from the Alinsky, ObaMAO, and Romney playbook are you TDO?????
    There is NOWHERE IN THE WORLD that I was referring to Hillary!!!!!! When you can’t pound your way with words, repeated posts, and links to nowhere on your nonsensical stances on global warming, green energy and just being your usual contrarian crumudgeon self, you will turn on me?????????? Dear TDO, I learned those tactics as well during the 2007 primary; and I can outdo you in the dark with both hands tied behind my back. Methinks that you do crave attention so badly that you try to get it by posting such posts of sheer idiotic proportions; and then you repeat them over and over and over and over and over and over.

  349. Obama DOJ Goes Silent Regarding When Holder Knew of Agent Terry Death

    by Ulsterman

    Not so long ago Eric Holder repeated over and over again how his department was “fully cooperating” with the ongoing investigation into the deadly Fast and Furious gunrunning program. Not so much these days though…

    Following last Friday’s document dump that linked Attorney General Holder with direct knowledge of the death of U.S. Border Agent Brian Terry to weapons the Obama government had sold into the hands of known and highly dangerous criminals, the Obama Department of Justice has gone into “No Comment” mode regarding what Holder knew and when. According to a recent Daily Caller report, repeated attempts to get a response from DOJ officials has met with nothing more than absolute silence.

    According to the D.C. report:

    The documents sent from the DOJ to congressional officials Friday night included a series of emails between former Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke and Holder’s then-deputy chief of staff Monty Wilkinson. Those emails show Wilkinson, a senior Holder aide, knew on December 15, 2010 — the day Terry was killed – that the weapons used to murder him were provided to a Mexican gang by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    …Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, who has led the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious along with House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, said in a tweet Saturday that the documents DOJ released Friday “clearly show Holder[‘]s people knew” about the gunwalking initiative before Grassley opened his investigation – and that the DOJ “lied” to Congress.

  350. http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/01/29/wall-street-inisder-preparing-for-war/

    I have been offline for several days and I am not sure if this was posted but I urge EVERYONE to read it!

    Here is a remarkable comment to the WSI.

    • The chess board has been in play for some time. The Arab Spring was anything but…. It was not a move for democracy. It was a coalition of Radical Islam with the only military of might being delivered into their hands as planned. Egypt’s Military was the prize they sought…Our ally of many many years was treated like a caged dog. Can you imagine the USA having a part in this under any other time or president. Never! It was despicable to see Mubarak tortured and in a cage in a court room, regardless of his glaring imperfections, he kept a lid on the Middle East. Obama sent out very questionable signals to all of the long term allies of the USA. Obama’s communists union leaders were in Egypt to foment this ridiculously named “Arab Spring” crisis. Expect Obama in 2012 or sooner to deliver the rest of his faustian bargain as he serves up Israel to the dogs of war.

    Think about the coalition in the Middle East of the Radical Muslims of the Muslim Brotherhood brought to power under Obama…where they have raped the USA through oil prices further taxing our economy, making the USA pay for their own death while we fund our enemies war against us through oil prices and a cessation of drilling here.

    Add that to the mortgage crisis brought about by Obama and those that call themselves progressives through their Community Reinvestment Act, the CRA that stole trillions out of our banks and the housing values in this country…The mortgage system in the USA was the floor, the stability of our banking system…feeding monies in and making healthy loans created the stable flow of monies in and monies out..creating predictability…that is now gone…All part of the scheme to cripple to USA.

    The complete BS of the BP oil spill in our gulf that was created. Where is the investigation of the two men fighting on top of that rig where one fell to his death immediately preceding the spill. The IMF loans ( in reality a USA loan) to Brazil for drilling in our gulf with George Soros the beneficiary of those profits. The complete refusal of vacuum tankers to quickly clean the spill. The Federal non response and illegal freeze on our energy through frozen regulations and illegal judicial responses…This was all in play toward Cap and Trade with Obama’s created CCX to tax us for our own energy. Where is an investigation? The press? The outrage?

    Note the utter insanity of green investing in windmills and solar …while denying any drilling simply as a security measure for our military in these times of war and the extraordinary oil prices sucking our economy dry…as Obama has the temerity to claim those high prices must remain high as “it is necessarily so”…
    The Brits call the global warming crowd – watermelons – because they understand the green on the outside movement is the actually the red on the inside…a communist consolidation of power movement….

    Any fool could look at Spain and know those dollars were being redistributed to Obama’s globalist friends in solar companies that were a simply a scheme to drain our treasury. Not one has produced a dime. And Solyndra just destroyed all product produced. Guess they wanted no evidence should the Obama scheme to destroy the USA not produce the desired results. light Brigade and it’s chips disables our military. The hands of the pentagon are tied and Obama knows it is necessarily so.v

    Obama’s grab of lands in the western states that encompass most of our natural resources…Put this in perspective as we drain our treasury, cripple and decimate our military, drain our oil reserves, digitize the dollar which virtually steals from every citizens bank account, stopping of the pipeline from Canada, waste resources in Libya, offer for murder of 3,000 in Iraq as we turn our back on that theater and leave, secret letters to Iran as the radical Muslims tighten their grip…and one can wonder if our natural resources will pay the bill for the trillions Obama wasted or borrowed from China. it was by design. And this is but a start…

    There is is very much more and WSI knows that far better than most. He too knows that Obama was not in any way ignorant nor naive …but rather a willing and destructive merchant against the USA and Israel.
    ***************************************************************
    They have used our system, our capital, our capitalism against us. I think I know what a couple of Republican hopefuls mean when they say “vulture capitalism.” If you take over a company to save it or “make it viable,” but in the process, turn it into an American-owned Chinese company, who are you helping?

    For decades the manufacturing base of this country has been so eroded not even the whole skeleton remains. The unions and regulators have been busy for decades too.

    Only now everything is speeding up like the last bit of water going down a drain.

  351. Shadowfax,

    So this Kamala Harris, the winner of the CA AG race, the candidate Kumwata BUCKED to support someone else and then turned up dead, now has her greedy little paws on the mortgage industry purse strings, just as BO wanted? Is that why Kumwata was whacked?

    Between this story and the WHI expose about China controlling 90% of the raw materials needed for US military systems mainly because the BO administration put a moratorium on everything from drilling to exploration to industry over the past few years – kind of makes you think the sh!t is about to hit the fan, no?

  352. BASIL99
    January 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Shadowfax,

    So this Kamala Harris, the winner of the CA AG race, the candidate Kumwata BUCKED to support someone else and then turned up dead, now has her greedy little paws on the mortgage industry purse strings, just as BO wanted? Is that why Kumwata was whacked?

    ___
    Maybe, but Harris did not agree to this settlement that would have let the Bankers off the hook for putting though bad loans, and there would not be further lawsuits against them in the future on this…and Barry hired that other guy to fight this agreement and possibly keep an eye on Harris??

    The article thinks that since CA is such a large state, with huge real estate forclosure problems, if they won this settlement, smaller states would settle, letting BofA, and the other included banks off the hook.

    Honestly, I am not sure what all the ramifications are for Barry on this issue.

  353. Good news?

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/01/30/obama-campaign-cash-declines/
    News began circulating in the fall of 2011 that donations to the Obama re-election campaign were in free-fall – down almost 40% . What followed was a president spending very little time in the White House during the remaining months of 2011 – instead travelling across the country making one fundraising event after another. During and since that time, Barack Obama has no longer been President Obama but once again reverted almost completely back to candidate Obama.

    Recent disclosures of this campaign fundraising blitzkrieg by Obama offers up yet more troubling news for the campaign – the 4th quarter efforts were even lower than the 3rd quarter totals – indicating the Obama campaign is working doubly hard in an effort to simply slow the rate of disinterest that currently plagues the re-election effort. The crowds have been smaller, the enthusiasm much diminished. That is not to say substantial sums are not being raised – $42 million dollars in the 4th quarter is still a considerable sum – but when viewed in relation to the amount of time the president has spent begging for cash, and the downward trend in overall donations that continues to persist, the Obama campaign operatives are clearly concerned. Political insiders are also whispering of Democratic party members complaints regarding DNC funds, which are supposed to help elect and re-elect ALL party candidates being placed too much under the control of the Obama campaign.

  354. Shadowfax,

    I am confused. It just seems strange to see Kamala Harris (A younger version of Valerie Jarrett, it seems) in the middle of a high stakes mortgage industry negotiation.

  355. The sooner the Holder pig is locked up the better.

    Shadowfax
    January 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Obama DOJ Goes Silent Regarding When Holder Knew of Agent Terry Death

  356. Every conservative I know does not want a liberal Massachusetts flip flopper “Republican” as president.

    Why did Romney destroy all the hard drives in the computers he used while governor? WHY? That alone is a big red flag for me.
    _____________

    Tough question- we prefer voting cosmetics.

    Grail Guardian says:

    More importantly, why is this site suddenly swarming with people shilling for Romney, accusing regular posters of being Obama plants? You mean displaced posters from other sites?
    __________

    I thought they fled to NQ- most of them anyway–

  357. Not just here. They’re all over the place. Drudge and the Bigs, to name two more.

    I also happened to see a CBS segment over the weekend high on Romney, down on Gingrich.
    __________

    Exactly Obama tactics- calling Hillary polarizing… basically sending their thugs out to distract and destroy… same thing- different day, different candidate.

  358. Thank you for standing strong,

    Donna Brazile

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    Oh Gawd…this just hit my e-mail box…maybe it’s an omen that admin will post their story on Brazilla.

  359. BASIL99
    January 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Shadowfax,

    I am confused. It just seems strange to see Kamala Harris (A younger version of Valerie Jarrett, it seems) in the middle of a high stakes mortgage industry negotiation.

    ———-
    Yup, I have no clue who these women are either, but we do know Barry has no concern for who is qualified for a job, so who knows…

  360. Well, I don’t Know Mrs. S,

    I have been media free for three days but according to this report MR gets a lot of negative press.

    Study: TV News Bashes Romney, Boosts Horse Race

    CBS Is More Positive Than FOX Toward GOP Field

    Frontrunner Mitt Romney is getting by far the most negative press of the GOP field, according to a new study of television news coverage by the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University. The study also found that the campaign horse race is getting over six times as much coverage as the candidates’ positions on policy issues. According to CMPA director and George Mason University professor Robert Lichter, “The media love a horse race and hate a frontrunner.”

    This study covered 118 stories on the Republican primaries from January 1 to the January 10 New Hampshire primary on the evening newscasts of ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX (the first half hour of Fox News Channel’s “Special Report”, which is most like the network news shows in content and presentation). This is the first release from CMPA’s ongoing 2012 Election News Watch Project. For information on our methodology see: http://cmpa.com/about_methods.htm

    Bad News for Romney Mitt Romney was the only major candidate to receive a majority of negative evaluations by sources and reporters, on both the broadcast network nightly news and FOX “Special Report.” (We measured evaluative comments about the candidates’ behavior, past records, issue positions, personal character, etc. However, we excluded comments about how they were faring in the campaign horse race.)

    Examples: “Many of the most conservative elements of the party… do not trust him.” – election analyst, NBC

    “I think he’s lying to get elected.” – voter, FOX

    Broadcast Results On the broadcast networks, evaluative comments of Romney were 78% negative vs. only 22% positive. By contrast, on-air judgments of Ron Paul were 73% positive vs. 27% negative, evaluations of Jon Huntsman were 71% positive vs. 29% negative, Rick Santorum’s evaluations were 56% positive vs. 44% negative, and comments about Newt Gingrich were 52% positive vs. 48% negative. Other candidates received too few evaluations to be statistically meaningful.
    ***************************************************************************

    Personally, I think people should be able to express support for whoever they feel is the strongest candidate. I do not think it’s a matter of so-called Mitt-bots taking over the internets. In any case, as I have stated before, while I unashamedly prefer Mitt I would vote ABO.

  361. Lovely.

    New Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood spiritual adviser suggests finding wives for all bachelors and a moratorium of 5 years for cutting off hands so the citizens can be “reeducated” about sharia law.

    Following are excerpts from an interview with Sunni scholar Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi, which aired on Al-Nahar TV on January 26, 2012:

    Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: I think [the shari’a] should be implemented gradually. This is a law of the shari’a and a law of nature.

    We should do things gradually. We should prepare the people, teach them. People have to learn. We have to make an effort to teach people the truth about Islam.

    People do not understand the shari’a properly. We have to teach people the laws of the shari’a and explain them, before anything else. I think that in the first five years, there should be no chopping off of hands.

    This period should be dedicated to teaching things. A transitional phase… This should be a period in which we teach people the true laws of the shari’a. when we find food for all the hungry, schools for all the pupils, hospitals for all the sick, homes for all those who want them, wives for all the bachelors – then we can discuss the punishment for theft.

  362. ShortTermer, turbdownobama was more likely referring to me. And you know what? I don’t care. She seems like some flower child stuck in the past. FDR might be a favorite from the Democrat past, but for me, times have changed, and although America has gained some advantages from that era, time goes on. This country did not become great on the backs of Democrats alone. I’ll respect FDR for his accomplishmets, but I will not worship man.

  363. BASIL99
    January 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
    Lovely.
    New Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood spiritual adviser suggests finding wives for all bachelors and a moratorium of 5 years for cutting off hands so the citizens can be “reeducated” about sharia law.
    ————-

    He’s an enlightened Muslim. Waiting for turndownobama to support him in some way. Crazy religious right in the USA or typical sadistic religious Muslim throughout the Middle East? You decide.

  364. Shadowfax
    January 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Hmmmmmmmm . . . . The article said it’s normal for judges to give additional time for prisoners to wind down family affairs . . .

    Anyway, I never thought Blago should have been convicted after all the others, especially BO, got off scott free. Looks like he will have to serve at least 12 years.

    Enough time for a book or two.

  365. Sorry, Mr. Romney, but people should be angry about Romneycar
    —————

    From the mouth of the state treasurer of Massachusetts, Timothy Cahill:

    As state treasurer, I can speak with authority about the Massachusetts pilot program. It has been a fiscal train wreck.

    The universal insurance coverage we adopted in 2006 was projected to cost taxpayers $88 million a year. However, since this program was adopted in 2006, our health-care costs have in total exceeded $4 billion. The cost of Massachusetts’ plan has blown a hole in the Commonwealth’s budget. Just last Thursday, Gov. Deval Patrick’s office announced a $294 million shortfall related to health-care costs.

    If not for federal Medicaid reimbursements and commitments from Washington to prop up this plan, Massachusetts would be broke. The only reason MassCare has survived is that we have been repeatedly bailed out by the federal government. But that raises the question: Who will bail America out if we implement a similar program?

    While everyone should have access to affordable health care, our experience in Massachusetts tells us that the new federal entitlement will burden future taxpayers with unfunded liabilities they cannot afford. Health-care inflation will continue. Mandates will increase insurance premiums. And the deficit will reach frightening levels as the law’s costs greatly exceed the projections of its advocates.

    As lawmakers push for changes in the bill, they should start by being honest about its costs and focus on making health care more affordable without bankrupting the country.

  366. Romney may have dug the Salt Lake City Olympics out of its hole, but he sure made a mess out of things with his healthcare fiasco in Taxachusetts. Now, I have to ask this question. The Olympics was a business venture that’s impact was small in comparison to Romneycare, which keeps on giving to the tune of billions. Does it not show bad judgment especially from someone who prides himself on his business acumen? The Olympics was a game. Healthcare and its effects on the nation’s budget is not.

  367. BASIL99. .

    Anyway, I never thought Blago should have been convicted after all the others, especially BO, got off scott free. Looks like he will have to serve at least 12 years.

    Enough time for a book or two.

    ——
    I agree, everyone else got off scott free and Blago had to be the sacrificial lamb.

    At least he asked and probably will go to a low security place in CO. Probably his wife and kids will suffer the most trying to deal with raising the kids alone, single mom with only her own income (?) and the kids won’t be raised with a father.

  368. Mrs. Smith
    January 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
    Tea Party Patriots, Conservatives, Christians RISE UP!! Defend America, Life and Liberty!!

    No don’t- We’re enamored with Romney’s good looks and having a pretty wife. Besides, we cannot disseminate a LIE from the Truth.

    What does Palin and Reagan’s son know anyway- they’re supporting Newt. I believe everything Romney has to say because he’s just like Obama and I voted for him based on looks and his promised Change campaign.!

    ********************************************

    I suppose that is directed at me because as I stated I was going to give the visuals…

    …whatever…ridiculous…

  369. nomobama,

    I agree Romneycare was horrible and, with Kennedy backing it, probably the precursor for Obamacare, an even worse disaster.

    None of the candidates are faultless and if I had my way there would be others running against BO. Right now, we’re left with 4, none of whom is particularly appealing, all for different reasons.

    But, back to your mantra, ABO.

  370. BASIL99
    January 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
    nomobama,

    I agree Romneycare was horrible and, with Kennedy backing it, probably the precursor for Obamacare, an even worse disaster.

    None of the candidates are faultless and if I had my way there would be others running against BO. Right now, we’re left with 4, none of whom is particularly appealing, all for different reasons.

    **********************************

    Basil99…i could not agree more…that is what makes so much of this debate bizarre…as if most of us want to back either R or G…but we work with what we’ve got…and go from there…some here get very defensive, their way or no way…i’ll leave it at that…not worth adding to it…

  371. S,

    I do not like the name calling when some are not getting their way. Leave it alone. There is enough to criticize with BO. Personally, I think we should leave it at that and I imagine all here are for ABO.

    That should be the prime mission. Some might disagree about who the best (of the available) candidates is to run against BO but we should all be in agreement that he has to go.

    I don’t think we should let the site devolve into a pissing match over this.

    Romney has his good points as does Newt, Santorum and, to some extent, even Paul.

    The best thing in all of their favors is they are NOT BO. (IMHO)

  372. S,

    BTW, I loved your description of the Florida event.

    Oh well, it’s been a long three days for me. It was good catching up. Tomorrow should be interesting.

  373. thanks Basil99…just trying to paint the picture…and report from an actual live event…

    signing off now…have a good evening…yes, tomorrow should be interesting…

  374. One other thing,

    I have a renewed respect for Santorum. He has gone through he11 the past few days with his daughter in the hospital.

    One thing he has going for him – the guy is a fighter. He has worked his butt off for the past year, from Iowa to the present, and even with the strong headwinds against him he has not thrown in the towel.

    I have to admire that.

  375. Good Evening.

    hello noobama, not sure if you are online as of now, I found this at a right leaning blog, and thought it was interesting. Newt in 2009 was essentially advocating for an indiv. mandate. At least Romney is openly saying he will give a waiver to all states. I’ve heard nothing from Newt as to whether he believes the US govt can force people to buy a private product, which health insurance is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSXJLZx5mpY&feature=player_embedded

    basil99, I agree with you, I was not a fan of Rick S. before, and still have many disgreements, but he is consistent and a hard worker, I really agreed with his views what “rights” are as said in our declaration. I guess I never liked him much because of what he has said in the past about gays, etc. However, my views of him have changed after hearing his response of what his reaction would be if his child came to him and say they were gay, and how he “would love him/her just as much 1 second before he said it”. The man is deeping aware of how every life is precious, no matter the gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. I have to admire his consistency and hard work for getting this far. A few months ago, I would have had to hold my nose very tight to vote for him, I don’t feel that way now, at least not as much. Compared to Obama, I would have no hesistancy voting for Santorum, at least with him I know where he stands.

    I still think Romney’s the stronger candidate, many pumas I know will have an easier time voting for him than Newt, but they’re all in the ABO camp now as well. So the main thing is electability. abo as far as I can tell seem to be the main driving force.

  376. Sorry if this has already been posted, I just became aware of the outcome. I’m glad these jerks were found guilty, how a defense could be mounted for these 3 subhumans is beyond belief. The father was on tape saying he’s happy they’re gone and if they come back, he would use a cleaver etc. If they want a society where hurting innocent women is part of the law, why in the world would they move to a western society in Canada? I really don’t understand it. What a sad loss of life. And I’m glad the judge in his verdict called it for what it was, an “honor” killing.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/29/jury-finds-afghan-family-guilty-in-honor-killings/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

  377. FDR might be a favorite from the Democrat past, but for me, times have changed, and although America has gained some advantages from that era, time goes on.

    =========================

    Leaving aside personalities, are there any of FDR’s POLICIES (or Hillary’s) that you agree with? (Like, maybe Social Security?)

  378. Tim. Horrible massacre by Muslim men against muslim women. Typical primitive sexist behavior. Expect more should they gain a foothold in the US. There are some here who would welcome it. I would blow the head off any Muslim sypathizer who stepped foot on my property. They are evil bottom feeding scum and should be deprived of their crown jewels so as to lower that good old Muslim ego.

    First up, how about Nidal Hassan?

    Rant alert!

  379. As a matter of fact I do believe in Social Security. Now you can tell me what rhe big bad Republicans want to do with it.

  380. You can call me an admirer of Thomas Jefferson. The following was in the link that you provided, Basil. By the way, the link from Ulsterman started to depress me until I read something else that I believe to be true, and should try to always remember. God is in control. Now I have to start keeping my end of the partnership for lack of a better word which I have utterly failed at doing in the past.Thomas Jefferson:

    “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.”

    “Most bad government has grown out of too much government.”

    “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

    “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government…”

    Here’s Thomas Jefferson. His words still hold true.

  381. January 30th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
    Romney is Dimocrat Lite

    ======================

    What’s wrong with voting for a Republican who is a “Democrat lite” in policy? Are we trying to get rid of Obama — or also trying to get rid of the old Democratic POLICIES, ie Hillary’s POLICIES?

  382. I hope that the talking heads are not owned by the Romney campaign.

    ==================

    They’re owned by Wall St, who likes to hedge their bets. If not Obama who is a Republican in disguise, then they want an open Republican (who is not crazy).

  383. turndownobama, I apologize my lack of courteousness you. I will continue to challenge your ideas, but I will try to be more courteous when doing so. I think that I may have had an epiphany tonight.

  384. Wouldn’t this be terrible?

    “[Romney] allows Massachusetts to become the first state in the union to implement same sex marriage, pushed socialist healthcare and individual mandates on his own people, appointed liberal activist judges, imposed tax payer funded abortion, raised taxes and fees”

    Hint: Bill and/or Hillary support all those things.

  385. Times change. Policies should change with them.

    Hi Tim. I had heard what your had written previously. I think Newt recanted his support for the individual mandate. Can’t remember right now what I read about that, but I guess his response was acceptable because I think I would have been pissed off at him if he still supported it. I’ll try to find what I read on his stance on the mandate, and then post it here.

    Turndownobama, please read the Thomas Jefferson quotes and understand what I believe.

  386. nomobama
    January 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    No problem, no hurry at all. I just happened to see that youtube video today. I find this whole subject very interesting. Costs come into effect, forcing people to buy something comes into play, free market policies to lower costs come into play. I knew it was complicated, so I try to read all I can and see other perpectives to make a better decision on which candidate has the best policy, and which policy is actually the best policy itself.

  387. nobamo said:
    If someone wants an abortion, why should any medical establishment that is associated with the Catholic Church have to perform it?

    =======================

    Did you make a post about Catholic hospitals? Your post from National Review titled “We are all abortionists now” said nothing about hospitals (nor about real, surgical abortion). It was objecting to private insurance plans being required to cover CONTRACEPTIVE costs. It tried to label popular methods such as “The Pill” as “abortifacients”.

  388. pulling off the highway every 60 miles or so to recharge!

    =======================

    At 60 miles per hour? How many hours do you usually drive without pulling off for … something?

    The workaround for recharging time is to switch the empty battery for a full battery at the service station

    Anyway, “60 miles” is about 75% wrong, or more.

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/evtech.shtml
    Driving range. Most EVs can only go about 100–200 miles before recharging—gasoline vehicles can go over 300 miles before refueling.

  389. Sarah Palin busted the GOP-e on Hannity for lying about Newt! Newt followed, then mitt happens. (wait for the you-tube)

  390. As a matter of fact I do believe in Social Security. Now you can tell me what rhe big bad Republicans want to do with it.

    ==================

    Which Republican was it who wanted to instead give the seniors ‘vouchers’ to buy private insurance with (and admitted the vouchers wouldn’t be big enough).

  391. Obama, who ran as a liberal, is really a corporatist, more like a republican (he’s continued Bush’s torture and war policies, his biggest donor is Wall Street, his health care plan was a give-a-way to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, etc). We want to get rid of him, because he’s not a dem in the way Hillary is.

    But we’re supposed to avoid any republican candidate who is MODERATE, who has signed on to policies that are more in line with what Hillary believes? We’re supposed to be lovingly looking for someone with wonderful CONSERVATIVE cred, to match “OUR conservative values”????

    OMG. It’s one thing to be trying to figure out who might best beat Obama, but to be WANTING someone who is most conservative, not just because for some reason one believes the fringe will have the most votes, but because “conservative” is just better in general….? Certainly everyone has their own opinions, but Hillary and anyone who believes as she does are not conservatives. It’s like NQ has become – writer(s) with Democratic values, but far right comment section. Wow. As this site is named after Hillary, I don’t think it’s right for anyone to be bashing people who still share Hillary’s values.

  392. The thought of Santorum in the WH is scary.PA dumped him and this retread wants back on the gravy train.He is a moralist nut job and a threat to our democratic way of life librty and our pursuit of constitutional freedoms and religions.Pork add-ons to legislation bills are his specialty.

    Send him home to his flock.

  393. Did David Axelrod Just Make Romney’s ‘Crate-Gate’ a Campaign Issue?

    President Obama’s campaign strategist David Axelrod chimed in Monday on the scandal surrounding the time Mitt Romney drove to Canada with his dog in a crate tied to the roof of his car in the 1980s. “Crategate,” as the stupid pet trick was inevitably dubbed, has been an issue championed by New York Times columnist Gail Collins, who somewhat gleefully drops a reference to the story in as many columns as she can.

    On Monday, Axelrod tweeted a photo of Bo Obama, the first family’s dog, in the back of a limo with the words, “How loving owners transport their dogs.”

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/01/did-david-axelrod-just-make-romneys-crate-gate-campaign-issue/48061/

  394. We want to get rid of [Obama], because he’s not a dem in the way Hillary is.

    But we’re supposed to avoid any republican candidate who is MODERATE, who has signed on to policies that are more in line with what Hillary believes? We’re supposed to be lovingly looking for someone with wonderful CONSERVATIVE cred, to match “OUR conservative values”????

    OMG. It’s one thing to be trying to figure out who might best beat Obama, but to be WANTING someone who is most conservative, not just because for some reason one believes the fringe will have the most votes, but because “conservative” is just better in general….? Certainly everyone has their own opinions, but Hillary and anyone who believes as she does are not conservatives.

    ======================

    Exactly! Well said.

  395. As if there are no democrat corporatists. Yeah, I know. Progressives always good, consercatives always bad. Too bad progressivism has shown its true face, especially prominent in the 2008 election until this very day. Is it possible that people are just sick of it?

  396. Basil99
    I have a new found respect for Santorem. Do not like the man but I do respect him here in PA I saw a clip of him saying he didn’t want to get close to his daughter as she might die. Then he went on to say we are the disabled because we don’t see the beauty of others. I cannot despise the man after that– doesn’t mean I’d vote for him
    Why does anyone pay any attention to the resident troll. I no longer read anything posted by IT.

  397. lorac

    The people who share Hillary’s values are HERE, and are being bashed HERE.
    ————
    I think the majority here still share the same values as Hillary…you are not alone.
    I think this conflict will continue for awhile as folks struggle to get behind certain candidates.
    Most of us are intelligent enough to make up our own minds on who we will vote for, we don’t need to be taught nor preachred to.

  398. I view Hillary and Bill as pragmatists, center left on some issues, center to center right on others.

    Now, if someone is going to make an argument about Obama being a corporatist, and then try to pin him on the Republicans, that’s wrong. Making an argument that Obama is a corporatist and therefore he should not be supported, but then making the argument that liberal corporatist Mitt Romney should be supported because, you know, he’s just a better corporatist than Obama is a weird argument, too. Obama should not be supported because he is a corrupt boob going about his day figuring how best to destroy the country. Romney can be supported because he is not Obama, but that doesn’t make the policies he espouses much better. But again, a lesson needs to be sent to the Dimocratic party, so voting ABO is the right thing to do for he good of the country.

    Also, trying to equate every day Joes and Janes in the Republican party as corporatists is bs, too. I suppose that the tea party people are also corporatist? Utter nonsense. It might be that the elites of each party are now pretty much the same, but the party regulars are a varied lot.

  399. Local news said Barry will come to San Francisco, will charge $100 to get in, and guess how much he will chage to have a photo with him………….

    $10,000

  400. I recommend appointing Lorac as anti-bashing czar on His44 because things are just really terrible here with all this bashing that she seems to find so prevalent here. Must keep things under control because things are really getting out of hand.

  401. Local news said Barry will come to San Francisco, will charge $100 to get in

    ====================

    How much will he charge to get out again?

  402. It’s not whether a President Romney would be better than a President Obama, but whether a PR would be better than a President Gingrich. For us who agree with Clintonist policies, PR would be better than PG. For those who prefer “our conservative causes”, PG might be better.

    Btw, is “January 30th, 2012 at 4:17 pm” real? It sounds like sarcasm from Free Republic in need of smelling salts. 😉

  403. nomobama
    January 30th, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    lorac, you need some smelling salts. Drama queen in the making.
    _____________

    They’re all one issue drama queens. They’ve run off the hundreds of posters at pumapac who were for Hillary but do not agree with their stunted view of politics.
    i.e. woman’s issues… Like it’s the only thing in the world that matters to them. They pic a pose and follow-

    The thinking for themselves meme- translates into group think- as their puma site devolves into a barren desert, a chat thread, the last vestiges of hangers on-

    Now they are here to stifle this site as romney-bots for Obama because they haven’t a clue about Romney’s political history nor do they care to do the research to be informed. Too much work. Easier to attend a whine and cheese party using their 1st amendment rights card at the door.

    The same disinformation campaign is happening at Ulsterman’s site. Bots for Romney- The following link appeared in Ulsterman’s comment section:

    http://socyberty.com/politics/ulsterman-endorse-mitt-romney/

  404. The Florida Smear Campaign

    The Republican establishment is pulling out all the stops to try to keep Newt Gingrich from becoming the party’s nominee for President of the United States — and some are not letting the facts get in their way.

    Among the claims going out through the mass media in Florida, on the eve of that state’s primary election, is that Newt Gingrich “resigned in disgrace” as Speaker of the House of Representatives, as a result of unethical conduct involving the diversion of tax-exempt money. Mitt Romney is calling on Gingrich to release “all of the records” from the House of Representatives investigation.

    But the Wall Street Journal of January 28, 2012 reported that these records — 1,280 pages of them — are already publicly available on-line. Although Speaker Gingrich decided not to take on the task of fighting the charge from his political enemies in 1997, the Internal Revenue Service conducted its own investigation which, two years later, exonerated Gingrich from the charges. His resignation was not due to those charges and occurred much later.

    Do the Romney camp and the Republican establishment not know this, a dozen years later? Or are they far less concerned with whether the charges will stand up than they are about smearing Gingrich on the eve of the Florida primaries?

    There are also charges made about what Congressman Gingrich said about Ronald Reagan on March 21, 1986. But this too is a matter of public record, since his remarks are available in the Congressional Record of that date, so it is remarkable that there should be any controversy about it at this late date.

    On that date, Gingrich praised Reagan’s grasp of the foreign policy issues of the day but later questioned whether the way the actual policies of the Reagan administration were being carried out was likely to succeed. Gingrich was not alone in making this point which such conservative stalwarts as George Will, Charles Krauthammer and others made at the time.

    Since a column of my own back in the 1980s suggested that the administration’s policies seemed to be to “speak loudly and carry a little stick,” I can well understand the misgivings of others. But that is wholly different from saying that all who expressed misgivings were enemies of Ronald Reagan.

    One can of course lift things out of context. But if you want to read the whole context, simply go on-line and get the Congressional Record for March 21, 1986. Among the other places where the smears are exposed are the Wall Street Journal of January 29th, Jeffrey Lord’s article in the American Spectator’s blog of January 27th, and an article by Heather Higgins in Ricochet.com of January 29th.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/01/31/the_florida_smear_campaign

  405. A campaign not for Romney, but against Gingrich

    MIAMI – When the empire strikes back, it hits hard. The Republican establishment is deploying every weapon and every soldier – even Bob Dole – in an increasingly desperate attempt to pulverize the Newt Gingrich rebellion. Eventually, the shock-and-awe campaign may work.

    But then what? In the establishment’s best-case scenario, the party is left with Mitt Romney, a candidate whose core message, as far as I can tell, seems to be: “Yes, I made a ton of money. You got a problem with that?” (yeah, we do. How?)

    It is remarkable that the well-orchestrated blitzkrieg to save Florida for Romney was designed solely to raise doubts about Gingrich’s character and electability – rather than convince voters that Romney, on the merits, should be president. It makes you wonder whether the GOP luminaries supporting this guy really believe in him.

    A statement issued last week by elder statesman Dole began by arguing that “if Gingrich is the nominee it will have an adverse impact on Republican candidates running for county, state and federal offices.” Dole went on to criticize Gingrich as highhanded and erratic, before ending his brief missive with another dose of realpolitik.

    “In my opinion if we want to avoid an Obama landslide in November, Republicans should nominate Governor Romney as our standard-bearer,” Dole wrote. “He has the requisite experience in the public and private sectors. He would be a president we could have confidence in.”

    “Requisite experience” isn’t much of a hallelujah, yet it’s typical of the pro-Romney chorus that has been singing so loudly since Gingrich won the South Carolina primary. Meanwhile, the voices of some key potential choristers haven’t been heard at all: Two of the most prominent Republicans in Florida, former Gov. Jeb Bush and Sen. Marco Rubio, have declined to endorse anyone for the nomination.

    But what has Romney given his supporters to work with? Yes, he served as governor of Massachusetts and implemented health insurance reforms that became the model for President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act. Yes, he earned a quarter of a billion dollars as a private-equity mogul. These résumé items are supposed to be a compelling reason to send him to the White House?

    Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul have all laid out bold visions – of where they would take the country. But where is Romney’s shining city on a hill? What’s his “compassionate conservatism,” his “hope and change”? What is it that Mitt Romney, deep in his heart or down in his gut, really believes in?

    “Free enterprise” seems to be what he’s most passionate about, but that’s not really an answer to the question of core beliefs. Who doesn’t believe in free enterprise? Obama would advocate a bit more regulation of markets than Romney would; Santorum and Paul, less.

    Obama wants to rearrange our priorities to make the nation more prosperous, competitive and humane. Gingrich basically has the same goal, except he would do it in a completely different way – and there would be a much bigger role for space travel. Santorum’s policy positions add up to a return to “compassionate conservatism” and, perhaps, a war with Iran. Ron Paul wants to decimate the federal government and force the few remaining workers to surrender their computers and use quill pens.

    And Romney? Well, he has a 160-page economic plan. What he doesn’t seem to have is a compelling narrative about the kind of America he envisions and the road he will take to get us there.

    This is not to say that he is necessarily incapable of developing such a narrative – or, for that matter, that he is incapable of beating Obama. The president and his advisers have at times done a mediocre job of telling the administration’s story. They need to better explain how individual decisions, such as delaying the controversial Keystone pipeline, fit into a coherent Big Picture of where the country needs to go.

    Romney has become a very good debater, and his attack lines about Obama are honed and barbed. The only reason he still has a fight on his hands for the nomination, really, is that he let his opponents reduce his argument for the presidency to a defense of how he earned and manages his great wealth.

    No matter how much he claims otherwise, the fact is that few people are envious of Romney’s business success. We just want to know if that’s all he has to offer.

    Eugene Robinson is a Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post columnist.

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/01/31/2005924/a-campaign-not-for-romney-but.html#storylink=cpy

  406. At Least Gingrich Offers a Plan
    ….

    ‘I will ask the Congress to stay in session on the 3rd of January.

    I will ask them to repeal Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and Sarbanes-Oxley.

    My request will be to have all three repeals ready so that on the day that I am sworn in, I can sign all three repeals that day, that’s a real start.

    I will then on the first day have an entire series of Executive Orders, all of which will be published by the 1st of October, so everybody will know what’s coming’

    First Day Exective Orders:

    1) Abolish ALL of the White House czars as of that moment

    2) Reinstate Ronald Reagan’s ‘Mexico City’ policy (no taxpayer funding for abortion overseas)

    3) Reinstate George W Bush’s ‘Conciense Clause’ (no HC worker/firm can be forced to do something against their religion, i.e. abortion)

    4) State Department WILL open the embassy in Jerusalem in recognition of Israel’s legitimate right to name it’s own capitol.

    5) Keystone pipline approval

    ‘My goal is at the end of my first day that I’m in office, we will have repealed about 40% of Obama’s government, and have things rolling towards creating jobs…’

  407. I don’t know why it is, but for me, scattered thoughts come rushing together after I’ve awakened from the night’s sleep. If it happens that I do not write the associations down quickly, they usually vaporize. However, today’s is hanging around. It is absolutely a bit of my trivia, and it goes like this:

    Thoughts of the One Party aspect of our Two Party system came to mind and as if in a nightmare, the thought that David Axelrod [or associate] could be coaching Mitt Romney. Then I saw a clip of Romney singing one of our traditional patriotic songs. Had to think Oh Em Gee.
    #######################
    Mrs. Smith: thanks for the 6:02 am article which I’ve scanned for the salient point. Media will keep bashing him. In my strongest sarcasm I point out how lucky we are that the sexual things did not stick with Newt. Otherwise all his detractors would have had to do is bring out women one at a time until they reached the tipping point. Trashing his history requires a little more thought. End of sarcastic streak.
    #####################
    Cannot locate link for the following, but Gov. Christie has struck another blow at use of the race card. Something the Gov. had said caused a huge rant from John Lewis whom paper dubbed Civil Rights Hero and teevee was only too happy to broadcast. The Lewis rant is covered here: http://www.politickernj.com/54413/civil-rights-hero-criticizes-christie-trenton
    Christie has issued a direct reply reported yesterday on Philly 6ABC to the effect: Lewis took my statement out of context for political gain.
    Point being, we are beginning that conversation about the races … but it’s probably not the conversation AG Eric Holder had hoped we would have!

  408. 3) Reinstate George W Bush’s ‘Conciense Clause’ (no HC worker/firm can be forced to do something against their religion, i.e. abortion)

    =================

    Currently no HC worker can be forced to perform abortion. The issue is whether they can withhold a package of BP pills or a condom from a customer.

    As for “HC firm”, that gets back to the National Review piece someone posted above, about the RR not wanting insurance companies to cover cost of contraceptives.

  409. It was only a matter of time- Now Hamas claims Jordan as their homeland-
    ____________

    Hamas denounces Jordan as Palestinian homeland

    Ted Belman

    The head of Hamas has found it necessary to speak out against the rising movement to allow the Palestinian majority to replace the Hashemite monarchy with a democratic regime that would become the Palestinian homeland. Khaled Meshaal, the head of Hamas, visited King Abdullah of Jordan on Jan 29 and made a special point of saying publically:

    “Hamas stands firm against Israel’s schemes to turn Jordan into a substitute homeland. Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine. We insist on restoring Palestinian rights,”

    King Abdullah added his two cents:

    “Jordan supports the Palestinian Authority as well as Palestinian reconciliation,

    “Uniting the Palestinian stand will strengthen the Palestinian people and help restore their rights,”

    Of course they were both referring specifically to the efforts of Mudar Zahran to do just that, namely, “turn Jordan into a substitute homeland” for the Palestinians.

    I am glad they went public with this issue. Zahran’s plan and its opposition are now front page news.

    Meshaal referred to it as “Israel’s scheme” without any evidence in support. But that is to be expected, because Hamas blames Israel for everything.

    Israel, for its part, wants nothing to do with it. She wants the status quo and the Peace treaty with Jordan to remain. Zahran, for his part, wants nothing to do with Israel. It would just prejudice his chances of success. Zahran is doing this for the Palestinians living in Jordan and not for Israel.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/01/hamas_denounces_jordan_as_palestinian_homeland.html#ixzz1l2GVehc8

  410. Thanks, HTA- Entertaining different perspectives give us food for thought- yes.
    ____________

    January 30, 2012

    Media Blackout in Obama Georgia Ballot Eligibility Case

    Last week, I noted that Obama turned his back not just on Arizona’s Governor Jan Brewer, but also on the laws of the State of Georgia. I closed my column, “Georgia Ballot Challenge: Obama Walks on By,” with the observation: “And most of the media has followed along right behind him.”

    At the time, I had just witnessed an historic hearing that actually discussed the eligibility of the sitting president of the United States to run for a second term. The president had been subpoenaed to appear, and instead of his attorney respectfully following protocol to have that subpoena recalled, both Obama and his attorney, Michael Jablonski, simply failed to show up at all or offer any defense whatsoever.

    Isn’t there a headline in there somewhere?

    The hearing proceeded as planned, even though the table for the defense was empty. Attorneys Van Irion and J. Mark Hatfield presented their cases first and offered compelling arguments — not regarding Obama’s birthplace, but rather that the non-U.S. citizenship of Obama’s father precluded Obama’s “natural born” eligibility under the Constitution and existing Supreme Court precedent. Attorney Orly Taitz, however, did present interesting evidence that questioned the validity of Obama’s birth certificate and questions surrounding his Social Security number.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/media_blackout_in_obama_georgia_ballot_eligibility_case.html#ixzz1l2IhlmX8

  411. “not regarding Obama’s birthplace, but rather that the non-U.S. citizenship of Obama’s father precluded Obama’s “natural born” eligibility under the Constitution and existing Supreme Court precedent.”
    ____________

    I remember reading a transcript taken when McCain and Obama were filling out their nomination papers. There exists a question on the application form with a Y/N answer required:

    “Are you a Natural Born Citizen?”

    Obama filled in the answer with a… Y
    McCain doing likewise…

    McCain’s citizenship was also questioned. I think you all remember the proof he provided as to the question of his nbc status because McCain’s birth happened on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a Navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that Mr. McCain meets the requirements-

    The reason this back and forth is recorded in my memory is because Obama answered YES to the nbc question for one thing and a follow-up question given him by a member of the DNC at the time of the signing of the nomination application: “Can you prove it”- his response was again in the affirmative.

    All in all- it seems the Obama presidency was premised on a Lie. Yet continues to this day to be nothing more than a presidency founded on a mountain of lies sold to the American people with one escape mechanism after another. Getting to the bottom of lie and exposing the Truth seems to be as inconsequential to investigative journalists as Romney’s company stealing from Medicare and Medi-Caid.

  412. In searching relevant data from various polling sites yesterday- Romney noting his Mexican heritage on the stump has done nothing for gaining their support for his candidacy. In fact, it seems Hispanic voters are leaning almost 3 to 1 to Gingrich as their primary choice for the R nomination.

  413. Mrs. Smith McCain’s citizenship was also questioned. – That just fried my grits. Military family for 2 (or more?) generations, POW 5? years.Question him while not Obama? Audacity? Think media might currently be trying to look better. I’ve tweeted 2 outrageous situations CBS, NBC) and things were immediately different. If that could be so, this would be a great time to complain more.
    ———————————–
    Senate just passed this. It’s only about tunnels so I’m not optimistic that gov is cracking down on border protection. Should make a good campaign strategy though for the too-easily impressed. House has to act & may combine it with something else.
    S. 1236 – Summary: Border Tunnel Prevention Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us)
    6/20/2011–Introduced.
    Border Tunnel Prevention Act of 2011 – Amends the federal criminal code to: (1) subject anyone who attempts or conspires to use, construct, or finance an unauthorized tunnel that crosses the international border between the United States and another country to the same penalties as those prescribed for committing such offenses; (2) make construction or use of such tunnels a predicate offense for authorization for interception of wire, oral, or electronic communications; (3) provide for criminal forfeiture of property involved in such tunneling and civil asset forfeiture with respect to merchandise introduced into the United States through such a tunnel; and (4) include such a border tunnel offense within “specified unlawful activity” under money laundering provisions. Encourages the Secretary of Homeland Security (DHS) to annually provide each known nongovernmental owner and tenant of land located in a national security zone with a written notification that describes federal laws related to the construction of illegal border tunnels and the procedures for reporting violations of such laws to United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Defines: (1) “national security zone” as any Southwest Border land designated by the Secretary as being at a high risk for border tunnel activity; and (2) “Southwest Border land” as all parcels of real property in the United States that are located within one mile of the U.S.-Mexico international border and that are not owned by a federal, state, tribal, or local government entity. Requires the Secretary to submit an annual report describing: (1) cross border tunnels discovered in Southwest Border land; and (2) DHS needs to effectively prevent, investigate, and prosecute border tunnel construction on such land.
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1236&tab=summary

  414. Mrs. Smith, 5:59.

    Actually, that comment is just a RUMOR.

    Here it is in its entirety.

    Will icon blogger the Ulsterman make endorsing of Mitt Romney soon? Read more find out now!

    As continue to research the Ulsterman from own website theulstermanreport.com seems the great blogger is turning to support of president Romney in the posts. Certain Romney would take the support from blogger who reaches 10000s of readership every day according to the Alexa site information site.

    Our research into issue saw many supporting Romney words from Ulsterman lately. So seems clear endorsement is coming rather then later.

    Or maybe the Romney will make venture to the Ultserman to be next Vice President!

    Joking there. Not being so serious at all. But could be interesting in future with more to come from the great blogger. Rumors now started of a returning to Newsflavor! That is proven false by my investigating of the issue at hand.

    Stay tuned and thanks to the readers of all!

    Read more: http://socyberty.com/politics/ulsterman-endorse-mitt-romney/#ixzz1l2q6I3UG

  415. HTA-

    I’ve tweeted 2 outrageous situations CBS, NBC) and things were immediately different. If that could be so, this would be a great time to complain more.
    ________

    How were they different? What were they about? Interesting-

    Maybe tweeting does make a difference, it’s LIVE afterall-

  416. WRONG AGAIN you-know-who.

    Hybrids go between 20 to 60 miles per charge, some a bit higher. This are the AFFORDABLE cars.

    The LUXURY (unaffordable) cars can go over 100 miles per charge but are too expensive for most car buyers.

    As for me – the other day I drove 4 hours without recharging. What a ridiculous argument to make – how often a driver stops. Many people are long distance commuters driving 2 and 3 hours each way to work. Others travel for a living.

  417. Mrs. Smith, 5:59.

    Actually, that comment is just a RUMOR.

    Here it is in its entirety.
    ______________

    The blog post re: Ulsterman is by Politico Publications.. trying to give the impression Ulsterman is supporting Romney.. and why their title is phrased punctuated with a question mark.

    His regular bloggers are up in arms he is allowing the site be inundated by Romney supporters…

  418. Big day for our LADY.

    Public Schedule for January 31, 2012

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    January 31, 2012

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    10:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton attends a Cabinet Meeting at the White House.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)

    Secretary Clinton travels to New York to attend a United Nations Security Council meeting on Syria. Secretary Clinton is accompanied by Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary Esther Brimmer, and Director Jake Sullivan.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY HOST)

    PM Secretary Clinton holds a trilateral meeting with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague and French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe, at the United Nations in New York City.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEEDING TRILATERAL MEETING)

    PM Secretary Clinton appears before the press, at the United Nations in New York City.

  419. Leanora
    January 31st, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Geez Louise – all the favorite causes of certain bloggers are being discredited en masse.

    OWS – 5 tomatoes
    Muslim Brotherhood – 5 tomatoes
    Solyndra, lightbringer, alternative energy – 5 tomatoes

    Of course most here KNEW this would happen.

  420. I don’t know. I read Ulsterman daily and I have seen no comments reflecting that.

    Are you saying Ulsterman is deleting negative posts?

  421. Are you saying Ulsterman is deleting negative posts?
    _______–

    No, I’m saying his regular readers are being hammered by Romney/Obama bots:

    Read the comments here:

    18 Comments to When it Comes to Health Care Mandate – Romney More Conservative Than Gingrich

  422. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Actually, Ulsterman posted one of the clips you were interested in – Soros Claims No Difference Between Obama and Romney (VIDEO) – and asked readers to respond.
    ________

    I posted the same video here in this thread yesterday. It wasn’t embedded is all.

  423. STOP the PRESSES:
    __________

    Report by House Democrats Absolves Administration in Gun Trafficking Case huh?

    January 31, 2012 1:16:33 AM by neverdem

    WASHINGTON — Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on Tuesday are expected to publish a report on the disputed gun trafficking investigation called Operation Fast and Furious, concluding that agents in Arizona — not Obama administration officials — were responsible for the tactics used in the inquiry and for providing misleading information relayed to Congress.

    In an 89-page report, titled “Fatally Flawed: Five Years of Gun-walking in Arizona,” the Democratic staff portrays Fast and Furious as the fourth investigation, dating back to 2006, in which Arizona-based agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives employed the tactic “gun-walking” — failing to interdict illegally purchased guns in an attempt to build a bigger case.

    “This report debunks many unsubstantiated conspiracy theories,” Representative Elijah E. Cummings, Democrat of Maryland, wrote in a cover letter. “Contrary to repeated claims by some, the committee has obtained no evidence that Operation Fast and Furious was a politically motivated operation conceived and directed by high-level Obama administration political appointees at the Department of Justice.”

    Still, because the report was written by Democrats, the political impact of its conclusion exonerating high-level officials of wrongdoing may be limited. Its publication comes two days before Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. is to testify before the committee. In previous hearings, Republicans have accused the department of sanctioning the tactics and lying to Congress.

    In Fast and Furious, which ran from late 2009 to early 2011, A.T.F. officials lost track of about 2,000 guns purchased by suspected “straw buyers.” Many weapons are believed to have reached a Mexican drug cartel. Two guns linked to the investigation were found at the site of a shootout in which a Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, was killed.

    lengthy article… worth a read:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/us/politics/operation-fast-and-furious-report-by-democrats-clears-obama-administration.html

  424. OK, Mrs. Smith, I read the comments. There were pro and anti Romeny remarks, same for Gingrich.

    Ulsterman, on the other hand states a position that seems quite neutral as to which candidate is best.

    “Both men have of course indicated a strong desire to repeal Obamacare, and both would likely prove good on their word. The political pressure to attempt anything less would be considerable. Both men would also certainly prove far more effective free market presidents than Barack Obama.”

    Again, personally, I am not at all happy with our choices but I agree with Ulsterman’s conclusion.

  425. No, Basil- the point is disruptor have been sent to his site with various agendas to confuse and distract people and it appears they have done a good job.

  426. should be disruptors…as it is a concerted effort when you read the comment sections from all UM’s postings within the last week or so-

  427. Mrs. Smith, I also have read the comments about who hispanics seem to be supporting in the GOP horse race. It seemed like stories were placed to prop up Romney giving me the feeling that Romney has all this Hispanic support. Then I read the story about the polling that showed 3 times as many Hispanics supporting Gingrich. So, I have to ask what’s going on here? It appears more and more like the Republican establishment, much like the Dimocratic establishment did in 2008, is trying to force a candidate on its members.

    Of course many Democrats will look at Romney and think he’s swell because Romney is much like what the Dimocratic party has been offering the voters in the past. It’s not a far stretch to call Romney a Dimocrat wannabe. I admit I am down on the Dimocrat party at this time, but maybe being a cynic allows me to see this. Nothing personal against Romney, but he sure looks, walks, and talks like a failed Dimocrat to me. My ABO will permit me to vote for him, but there is, imo, a better choice that will pummel Obama. I might be wrong on this, but stark differences need to be shown in this election.between a Republican vision and Dimocrat vision for America. We’ve witnessed the duplicitousness of the Obama Dimocrats which needs to be answered by someone who believes in this country. Most importantly, the party faithful should be able to express themselves through voting without party establishment interference.

  428. “It appears more and more like the Republican establishment, much like the Dimocratic establishment did in 2008, is trying to force a candidate on its members.”
    ______________

    Yes, exactly right, nomobama. The reason why Palin went ballistic on Hannity last night.. Outing the media for their attacks of falsehoods coming from Gingrich..

    There should be a video out today of Sarah Palins last night appearance on Fox and the blistering attack on Fox for propagating Romney’s lies against Gingrich.

    I posted an article yesterday upthread where Fox News parent company is owned by one of Romney’s corporations..

  429. Mrs. Smith @ 9:10
    —————
    It could be coincidence or my perception. I sent individual tweets to NBC late nite anchor Lynn Berry & meteorologist Bill Karins. Both are responsible in their work and I contrasted that with a specific MSNBC LEAN FORWARD ad which ran during their show that particular day. The ad, one of many LEAN FORWARD ads, specifically accused Republicans of working to get rid of firefighters, etc (unions/teachers/librarians). I called it out as being too blatant. They’ve not shown it since, and usually the same one is aired for weeks at a time.

    For CBS and their late night UTTM with Betty Nguyen I used their email form because a CBS twitter addy was difficult for me to find. Complaint there centered around Nguyen spending first 21 of 30 minutes on stories all centered around Obama. SEALS/Somalia, reference to SEALS bin laden; on and on and I did time it. She concluded with lessons learned from avalanche story which by then was 4 days old. That was the gist of my conplaimt. Maybe she just had had a bad night, but she’s not done that since.

    CBS has a huge ad campaign network-wide to frame itself as reputable. But they have a way to go. I saw a Scot Pelley clip maybe from 60 minutes. Subject FL unemployment due to NASA emps laid off. Scott blamed Congress with emphasis, but not Obama at all who of course is the one that canceled the Shuttle. There was to have been another project for at least some shuttle workers to go to but that was also canceled. Don’t know whose responsible for that. But Pelley kept Obama entirely out of it.

  430. Mrs. Smith, we will have to agree to disagree. Newt has spouted plenty of talking points over the past few days many of which have been picked up and repeated on this site.

    So has Mitt.

    I do not see a concerted effort to get Newt unless what Newt did to Bill is also considered a concerted effort.

    In that case, what goes around comes around. They are all dirty. I find it very difficult to shed tears for poor old Newt. Same thing for Mitt. They are big boys. What they are both going through comes with the territory. May the strongest man prevail and go on to beat the sh!t out of BO.

    For me to bemoan “dirty tricks” against Newt is just a step too far.

  431. holdthemaccountable
    January 31st, 2012 at 10:20 am

    It could be coincidence or my perception. I sent individual tweets to NBC late nite anchor Lynn Berry & meteorologist Bill Karins. Both are responsible in their work and I contrasted that with a specific MSNBC LEAN FORWARD ad which ran during their show that particular day. The ad, one of many LEAN FORWARD ads, specifically accused Republicans of working to get rid of firefighters, etc (unions/teachers/librarians). I called it out as being too blatant. They’ve not shown it since, and usually the same one is aired for weeks at a time.
    _____________

    WOW- Good going, HTA. I guess when viewers tweet specific to an aired tv show, they address the complaint and remediate the complaint right away.

    Just for a point of fact, I have the dirty low down truth here on Pumas Unleashed of where that story originated. The story being pushed without attribution is from Jarret’s Jan 17th pro-democrat campaign speech.

    https://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/valerie-jarrett-blasts-republicans-threatens-layoffs-of-teachers-firefighters-and-police/

  432. Oh I know space here is getting tight, but have to mention gateway: Obama’s Politics of Envy Are a Complete Contradiction to Biblical Teaching: Thou shalt not covet they neighbor’s goods. bwahahahahahahahah.

  433. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Mrs. Smith, we will have to agree to disagree. Newt has spouted plenty of talking points over the past few days many of which have been picked up and repeated on this site.
    __________

    Show me what you are talking about, please.

  434. they neighbor= thy neighbor’s. Hate that I made that typo.
    #
    I’ll be over to see good old Val’s bile; didn’t know MSNBC took that directly from her.

  435. Mrs. Smith,

    I am leaving the house but here are just a few which have really annoyed the heck out of me.

    His continual whining.

    First he was for the South Carolina audience response.
    Then he was against the Brian Williams debate when audience reaction was not allowed.
    Then, after a not so stellar performance at last Thursday’s debate, he puts out a statement he will no longer debate if reporters are the moderators.

    Honestly, the whole “I’m going to take my ball and go home” attitude when things aren’t going his way are terribly childish, immature and a real turn off.

    What’s he going to do if he is the Repub nominee and he doesn’t like the debate format with BO and BO comes off as the perceived winner? Whine that it wasn’t fair?

    I say let the repubs continue to slug it out all the way to the convention if need be. I do not find any of the candidates that great but, once again, will vote for the eventual nominee.

  436. I’ll be over to see good old Val’s bile; didn’t know MSNBC took that directly from her.
    _______

    Yes, and as the water carriers for Obama’s re-election, they are promoting Obama’s ultimate agenda for him in preparation for the fight between him and the R nominee for the General.

  437. nomobama
    January 31st, 2012 at 9:59 am

    For what is is worth I agree with you 100%:

    “It appears more and more like the Republican establishment, much like the Dimocratic establishment did in 2008, is trying to force a candidate on its members.”

    Yesterday morning I stopped to chat with my brother and Fox was on in the background. I heard some guy, maybe Varney?, talking about the negative campaign going on in FLA. At least twice he said Gingrich campaign stating things about Romney that not true. Then he said that Romney is saying about Gingrich too and that needs to be looked at (I wish I could remember his exact words, but of course I blew up). Would you call that subtle, it wasn’t to me, but it got me lightning all day and it is going on almost constantly. I am glad Sarah spoke out and you could see the deep anger in her face.

    And those people who are promoting Romney as though he somehow compares with Hillary or Bill Clinton are sick. Just look at the Medicare fraud in MA where Romney/Bain took their ill gotten gains, sold the company in the nick of time, and ran. Leaving the 119 million dollar fine for their bad behavior to the innocent new owners and employees. The company filed bankruptcy and people lost their livelihoods and as far as I know Romney/Bain never offered to help pay the fine. Then ask your self if Bill or Hillary would ever be involved in such a low down dirty business.

    The same people who took over the Democrat party and beat us and Hillary with 2x4s are the ones behind Mitt Romney. Watch how vicious his campaign will get if it looks like they might not get their way.

  438. “I say let the repubs continue to slug it out all the way to the convention if need be. I do not find any of the candidates that great but, once again, will vote for the eventual nominee.”
    ____________

    I could agree with you if:

    >) Romney wasn’t as bad a candidate as Obama. Romney is just a polished, more palatable version of the Obamas.

    >) I didn’t see daylight at the end of the tunnel with Gingrich as the R nominee and the many benefits he brings to the table with his candidacy. The primary benefit, the possibility of creating an aperture for Hillary if Gingrich’s attacks on Obama are skilled, well calculated and mortal as would be reflected in low polling numbers.

    I see no opportunities at all with Romney except he will be a continuation of Bush3 and Obama2 and we will be no better off than we are now- death by a thousand cuts/ TAXES…

  439. “And those people who are promoting Romney as though he somehow compares with Hillary or Bill Clinton are sick. Just look at the Medicare fraud in MA where Romney/Bain took their ill gotten gains, sold the company in the nick of time, and ran. Leaving the 119 million dollar fine for their bad behavior to the innocent new owners and employees. The company filed bankruptcy and people lost their livelihoods and as far as I know Romney/Bain never offered to help pay the fine. Then ask your self if Bill or Hillary would ever be involved in such a low down dirty business.”
    _____________

    I read the entire story over the weekend about Romney’s fraudulent Medicare scheme and how it was dealt with. No recriminations against Romney. The company alone was held responsible and penalized with the largest penalty imposed by the government for fraud in MA history, after it was sold to an unsuspecting buyer.

    If there is a window of possibility for Hillary to get the nomination because Obama becomes unelectable, forcing the DNC’s hand in choosing another dem candidate; I would take that gamble rather than having no chance at all for controlling my future.

  440. January 30, 2012 10:05pm

    Obama gaffe: Refers to Georgia as ‘Russia’ byJoel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer

    President Obama mistakenly referred to the nation of Georgia as “Russia” after a bilateral meeting with the Georgian president — an unfortunate slip-up, given that the president was celebrating 20 years of Georgian independence from Soviet rule.

  441. If the following keeps up, teevee nooze may begin reporting more responsible out of spite:

    Obama finds virtual end-around to bypass the White House press – TheHill.com
    …Obama on Monday held his “first completely virtual interview” as part of an event hosted by Google+, the social network the president called “a newfangled thing.” snip
    The event took place in the White House’s Roosevelt Room without the presence of television cameras or reporters. The virtual interview is part of a larger effort by the White House to connect directly to Americans without going through the news media.
    snip
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/207567-obama-finds-virtual-end-around-to-bypass-the-white-house-press

  442. Mrs. Smith
    January 31st, 2012 at 6:47 am
    It was only a matter of time- Now Hamas claims Jordan as their homeland-

    ————
    Actually Mrs. Smith, I am not getting that from the article. Hamas wants Israel plain and simple. Jordan is actually where the so-called Palestinians always resided but all it takes is a little twist of history and there you have it. My thoughts are that Hamas wants both countries as their own.

  443. Bill Clinton: One of the least polarizing presidents ever. But why?

    By Ezra Klein, Published: January 30

    As Barack Obama becomes the most polarizing president in recent American history, Bill Clinton is becoming one of the least polarizing. Fox News host Sean Hannity calls him “good old Bill.” Rep. Paul Ryan admits, “I enjoy Bill Clinton.” Sen. Orrin Hatch says “he will go down in history as a better president” than Obama. More than 60 percent of Americans have a positive view of Clinton — more, even, than approve of Ronald Reagan. This month, Esquire interviewed Clinton under the headline: “Bill Clinton: Someone we can all agree on.” Which just goes to show that how polarizing a president is has very little to do with how ideological they were, or are.

    Consider Clinton’s presidency. His first major bill was the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993. It raised the top tax rate from 28 percent to 39.6 percent. It set a 35 percent income tax on corporations. It eliminated the cap on Medicare taxes. It raised the fuel tax by 4.3 cents a gallon. And it passed without a single Republican vote. None of Obama’s tax proposals come close to restoring the Clinton-era tax rates for most Americans.

    Then came Clinton’s health-care law, which, if it had passed, would have moved most Americans from the employer-based market to federally regulated “health-insurance alliances.” Everyone would have had to have coverage, employers would foot part of the bill, and premiums would have been capped. It was, in other words, a far more ambitious bill than the one Obama passed, and it envisioned a far larger role for the government.

    In both cases, Clinton had the better of the policy argument. His health-care law would have done more to control costs and rationalize the health-care system than the Affordable Care Act, and his tax rates make much more sense given the retirement of the baby boomers. And, to be fair, when Clinton was trying to pass these policies, he was very polarizing. According to Gallup, in 1996, Clinton was the most polarizing president up to that point in American history. Now that he’s not president, Clinton is no longer polarizing.

    That’s partly because time has passed, and partly because Clinton is no longer a threat to the Republican Party. But it’s really because the economy eventually boomed under Clinton, and his presidency was retrospectively judged a historic success. The ideology behind that success is either forgotten, deemed irrelevant or spun.

    And so it will be with Obama. If he is reelected and the economy continues to recover, he will likely by the president Republicans yearn for when the next Democrat is trying to raise taxes and pass a public option. If he isn’t reelected, or the economy doesn’t continue to recover, he’ll continue to be a polarizing figure.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/bill-clinton-one-of-the-least-polarizing-presidents-ever-but-why/2011/08/25/gIQAI2pbcQ_blog.html

  444. Actually Mrs. Smith, I am not getting that from the article.
    ______________

    Maybe, from some months back I am making the connection to the uprising and demonstrations calling for Abdullah to step down coming from the PA current residents and refugees he’s taken in. Abdullah acting quickly giving pay raises and other benefits for quelling the uprising preventing it from getting out of control.

    The reason why I thought it timely that Hamas is publicly declaring a take back of Jordan as they have done with Israel.

    I don’t think Abdullah will quietly hand over the reins of government to Hamas but instead will align himself with Netanyahu and Israel if push comes to shove.

    At least that is what I see- If you have a different perspective with facts I am not aware of… can you post your thoughts here.

  445. January 31, 2012

    Clinton Snubbed by Russian Counterpart

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is a hard man to reach these days—especially if you’re Hillary Clinton.

    The U.S. Secretary of State tried for twenty-four hours to get Mr. Lavrov on the phone to discuss a draft resolution on Syria, with no luck, according to the transcript of a State Department briefing.

    Britain, France and the U.S. plan to make their strongest effort yet to push through a draft resolution calling for Syrian President Bashir Assad’s resignation. At least 5,400 people have been killed in the country’s 10-month long crackdown on protestors.

    Mr. Lavrov, who was in Australia when Mrs. Clinton was trying to reach him, has a perfectly good explanation: He was too busy to take the call.

    Mrs. Clinton’s phone call came “at the height of meetings with our Australian partners,” Russian news agencies quoted him as saying. “It is not in the Russian diplomatic tradition … to offend those with whom we have had long-scheduled meetings.”

    Mr. Lavrov appeared to disparage the State Department’s notions of etiquette when asked why the State Department said it couldn’t reach him for so long.

    “Probably, it is a question of manners,” he said.

    The conversation with Mrs. Clinton will take place “at the first possible opportunity,” Mr. Lavrov said.

    But he also hinted that such things may be better resolved at a lower level.

    “Basically, the ambassadors are sitting there in a room and reviewing the text. To call the other end of the world in order to discuss the placement of commas and such may not be the best method,” Mr. Lavrov said.

    He said Tuesday that while Russia was “neither a friend nor an ally” to Syria, Moscow would not support calls for President Assad’s ouster.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2012/01/31/clinton-snubbed-by-russian-counterpart/

  446. Okay, here’s the answer to my own question, only posting it in case others are wondering…

    ——–

    Fla. broke rules to gain influence on nomination

    MIAMI (AP) — Florida broke the presidential primary rules – again – but officials figure it’s worth a penalty for their state to maintain a relevant voice in nominating candidates for the White House.

    When Florida voters choose their candidate for the Republican presidential nomination on Tuesday, they’ll do so as the fourth state in the process. The cost: half their delegates to the GOP convention.

    “I’d much rather have a say in the nomination process as opposed to the coronation process,” Florida Senate President Mike Haridopolos said.

    As it did in 2008, Florida went against the national parties this year and set the last Tuesday in January as its primary date. In response, officials in New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina moved up their dates too.

  447. Drudge: CBO says real unemployment at 10%, couldn’t get to the article but what does that mean, are they pulling the rug out from under Obama?

  448. If there is a window of possibility for Hillary to get the nomination because Obama becomes unelectable, forcing the DNC’s hand in choosing another dem candidate; I would take that gamble rather than having no chance at all for controlling my future.

    I agree, but I think Obama and his cohorts will never let go if Romney is the nominee.

    But then did you read what I posted about the CBO saying real unemployment is at 10%. Is that help for us from unexpected quarters or help for Romney?

  449. Oooooo, ain’t this cool? Now obot’s can donate to Barry on their credit cards…and owe up the zing-yang like their deal leader.

    Desperado……..

    ——-
    The Obama reelection campaign is providing headquarters staff, field organizers and volunteers the ability to take campaign donations with their mobile phones.

    Campaign personnel are being issued Square mobile credit card readers, allowing them to process donations with their iPhone or Android phones, a campaign official tells POLITICO. The rollout will happen nationwide, and involve staff at all levels.

    The technology is a boon for canvassers and other field staff — potentially saving the campaign hundreds of hours of time processing donations, and giving field staff enormous flexibility. Moreover, it’s another good example of the power of mobile technology to streamline and automate otherwise mundane — but nevertheless important — campaign tasks.

    Square has been used by a handful of local political campaigns, but the Obama campaign’s adoption is the first national political adoption of the technology.

  450. This should be a interesting day. Story about GOP story about crowd size at Gingrich and Romney rallies in Florida.

    January 26, 2012, 8:35 AM
    Gingrich Winning the Crowd Race in Florida
    By MICHAEL D. SHEAR

    Marcus Yam for The New York Times
    Newt Gingrich has been attracting much larger crowds than the other candidates in Florida.
    MIAMI — How much do crowds matter?

    As Republican presidential candidates duke it out down here in Florida, the most visible measure of how they are doing is the crowd count.

    And by that very simple measure, Newt Gingrich is crushing his opposition.

    At an event Tuesday afternoon, more than 1,500 people showed up to rally for Mr. Gingrich. Later that evening, he stood before as many as 5,000 people, all applauding his surge toward the Republican nomination. And then on Wednesday, another 4,000 people.

    Contrast that to Mitt Romney, who, according to polls, is roughly tied with Mr. Gingrich in the state. He, too, has been traveling around Florida in an effort to recover the momentum he had after a big win in New Hampshire.

    Mr. Romney has not had a crowd with more than a couple hundred people since he arrived in the Sunshine State.

    A Monday morning event was purposely small — a round-table meeting with eight people. But a Tuesday morning speech had about 100 people in a cavernous warehouse that could have held thousands. And a visit to a foreclosed house attracted about 200.

    Then, on Wednesday, another warehouse and about 150 people.

    On Twitter Wednesday, Mr. Gingrich bragged about his crowds, saying that “our Sarasota, FL rally with 4,000 people was truly amazing. Callista and I are overwhelmed by the support.” (He kindly linked to video of the rally.)

    So what’s going on? Is there really that much more support for Mr. Gingrich in Florida? Or is there some other explanation?

    The answer is easy: we don’t know.

    A top aide to Mr. Romney on Wednesday dismissed the difference in crowd sizes, saying that Mr. Romney’s campaign had made a tactical decision to focus less on crowd size and more on events that are designed to push the campaign’s message each day.

    In a state the size of Florida, where most residents are going to get their campaign information from ads and news coverage, that may be a valid approach. Big rallies, no matter how large the crowd, are still going to reach only a tiny fraction of people here.

    And yet, the truth is that most campaigns that are struggling to generate excitement say the same thing. They talk about reserving their field staff for the more important work of turning out voters on Primary Day.

    Big rallies can be a sign that a campaign — and, by extension, the candidate — is connecting with the public in a way that it wouldn’t be if it were struggling to generate a crowd.

    Still, large crowds have a way of offering a sometimes deceptive view of a campaign that has many other, less obvious elements — television commercials, direct mail, automated telephone calls and plain word-of-mouth.

    And sometimes voters have a way of processing all of that information in ways that run counter to the evidence at rallies.

    Take the example of Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton during the New Hampshire primary in 2008. Fresh off his stunning Iowa victory, Mr. Obama started drawing huge rallies in New Hampshire.

    But the thousands who lined up for Mr. Obama at each of his events were telling the wrong story. Mrs. Clinton was in fact gaining in the state, in part on the strength of support from women. She won the primary, stunning the Obama campaign and setting up a monthslong contest.

    Could the same happen in Florida?

    Aides to Mr. Romney said they believed support for Mr. Gingrich was floating downward after getting a bump from his win in South Carolina.

    The crowds don’t necessarily agree with that assessment. But then, crowds aren’t everything.

  451. White House Panic: Gruesome 2012 Economic Forecast Could Doom Obama

    The number crunchers at the Congressional Budget Office have been rather busy this week. As interesting as their examination of public vs. private sector compensation may be, today’s dreadful report will cast a much darker and longer shadow over the 2012 presidential election landscape. Team Obama will likely put on a brave face and serve up rosier in-house economic figures in the media, but you’d better believe the CBO’s latest economic projections are causing a lot of heartburn at the White House. Hideous:

    The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday predicted the budget deficit will rise to $1.08 trillion in 2012. CBO also projected the jobless rate would rise to 8.9 percent by the end of 2012, and to 9.2 percent in 2013. These are much dimmer forecasts than in CBO’s last report in August, when the office projected a $973 billion deficit. The report reflects weaker corporate tax revenue and the extension for two months of the payroll tax holiday.

    A rising deficit and unemployment rate would hamper President Obama’s reelection effort, which in recent weeks has seemed to be on stronger footing. If the CBO estimate is correct, it would mean that the United States recorded a deficit of more than $1 trillion for every year of Obama’s first term. The deficit was $1.4 trillion in 2009, $1.3 trillion in 2010 and $1.3 trillion in 2011. The largest deficit recorded before that was $458 billion in 2008.

    CBO had forecast an 8.5 percent unemployment rate for the end of 2012 in its August report. It now expects the jobless rate to be higher, and to still be at 7 percent in 2015. The higher unemployment numbers are due to lower economic growth than previously estimated. Gross domestic product for 2011 is now estimated to have grown 1.6 percent in 2011, down from the 2.3 percent forecast in August. CBO a year ago had predicted 3.1 percent growth for 2011. The outlook for 2012 has also worsened. GDP is forecast to grow only 2 percent this year, compared to a previous estimate of 2.7 percent.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/01/31/white_house_panic_gruesome_2012_economic_forecast_could_doom_obama

  452. Betty

    “I agree, but I think Obama and his cohorts will never let go if Romney is the nominee.”
    ____________

    If won’t matter at that point- Obama will do his best to beat Romney; if he loses to Romney, the establishment wins anyway because both of the candidates belong to THEM not US-
    ________________

    But then did you read what I posted about the CBO saying real unemployment is at 10%. Is that help for us from unexpected quarters or help for Romney?
    _____________

    It’s getting harder and harder for them to hide the real numbers, Betty. Just an educated guess after reading economic reports bearing in mind, the people who have been out of work for years are not counted in the percentages.. I’ve read the rate of the unemployed in this country is between 16% and 18% and those figures are from at least 6 mos ago-

  453. JanH-

    I understand you do not trust Abdullah. You have to ask yourself, “Does Abdullah Trust Hamas if he agrees to a bargain with them to overtake Israel?”

    Abdullah is in a very bad position. He has to set a plan to maintain his status as Jordan’s King..If he agrees with Hamas, he has no guarantee whatsoever he will not become their victim as well. Yet, he has to appear not betraying his countrymen at the same time. Which I believe is his alternative if he denies them what they want to do.

    Abdullah will ultimately have to stand and fight for his right to be King of the country that was given to his family when the British divided up the spoils of war giving the land to Jordan and Israel.

    Thereby, he has little choice but to stand with Israel if Hamas continues to threaten his authority by planning to take over Jordan..

    I understand this is a ticklish subject and all I’ve done is state the obvious predicament Abdullah finds himself in-

  454. In the end, we are going to vote for whomever faces Obama, so ultimately, we must look at who is the most electable. Most polls suggest Mitt.

  455. Mrs. Smith,

    I was thinking about this as I was doing errands and figured this was your line of reasoning. I understand where you are coming from but at this point, that the establishment RINOS are not much different from the Dims and Mitt is their candidate.

    “I didn’t see daylight at the end of the tunnel with Gingrich as the R nominee and the many benefits he brings to the table with his candidacy. The primary benefit, the possibility of creating an aperture for Hillary if Gingrich’s attacks on Obama are skilled, well calculated and mortal as would be reflected in low polling numbers.”

    Good points.

    But if it’s Newt vs. Mitt for the NY primary, and IF Independents are allowed to vote in that primary, at this point I am going for Mitt.

    It just dawned on me, nomobama, that you must be voting today. DUH! It would be great if you could give a report of the on-the-ground vibes in Flordia. That goes for anyone else voting in today’s Florida primary, as well.

    It is most interesting to hear from those in the trenches.

  456. Shadowfax,

    Great find but LSM will sweep it under the rug they did with the Georgia eligibility hearings last week.

    😡

  457. The Obama reelection campaign is providing headquarters staff, field organizers and volunteers the ability to take campaign donations with their mobile phones.

    Campaign personnel are being issued Square mobile credit card readers, allowing them to process donations with their iPhone or Android phones, a campaign official tells POLITICO. The rollout will happen nationwide, and involve staff at all levels.

    The technology is a boon for canvassers and other field staff — potentially saving the campaign hundreds of hours of time processing donations, and giving field staff enormous flexibility. Moreover, it’s another good example of the power of mobile technology to streamline and automate otherwise mundane — but nevertheless important — campaign tasks.

    Square has been used by a handful of local political campaigns, but the Obama campaign’s adoption is the first national political adoption of the technology.

    ………………………………

    Totally and utterly irresponsible. Brings a whole new meaning to campaign debt and also opens up a new avenue for fraud, how many of these credit cards are “new” for more donations which in turn can be paid off with cash handed to people.

  458. It just dawned on me, nomobama, that you must be voting today. DUH! It would be great if you could give a report of the on-the-ground vibes in Flordia. That goes for anyone else voting in today’s Florida primary, as well.

    It is most interesting to hear from those in the trenches.

    ——-
    I am curious too on what is going on in FL today.
    Also, how you feel about moving up the election and having the delegate count cut in half.

    —-
    Here in CA, we vote in June and the election will be over.

  459. Also, I read about the credit card option for BO supporters. Disgusting.

    I had not heard about the possible release of the OBL photo. Talk about pandering.

  460. “Latest Congressional Budget Outlook For 2012-2022 Released, Says Real Unemployment Rate Is 10%.”

    I have read it is as high as 23%.

  461. This penalising a state for not adhering to the national body who sets up rules to suit themselves is wrong, the Florida GOP should have took a stand and said, if you penalise us, then come November you can forget about help in winning the state.

    I would have put their balls in a vice and squeezed. Its what Florida and Michigan Dems should have done in 2008, told the DNC to go fuck themselves for what they did.

  462. BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Well for one thing- This needs correcting..

    I didn’t see daylight- should be, I see daylight…at the end of the tunnel with Gingrich.. I rushed through the post and should have gone back to re-read it- My fault!
    __________

    But if it’s Newt vs. Mitt for the NY primary, and IF Independents are allowed to vote in that primary, at this point I am going for Mitt.
    ________

    Same here, for Gingrich if he is still around…

    Good idea- if nomobama has a report for a little first hand info on the FLA vote, would be great!

  463. In Florida the voters who are registered as Independent voters are not allowed to vote in the primary; I think that would have made a HUGE difference for Gingrich. But most of my friends who could not stomach to vote for Romney have said they will vote for Ron Paul.

  464. Moon, it is almost, to me, like Florida does not want a strong voice. It is counterintuitive to want to be one of the ‘first’ and then lose half your delegates. It serves no good purpose that I can see….yet that is what the powers that be in Florida have done more than once.

  465. Re: Mrs. Smith
    January 31st, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I can’t resist, so ObaMAO wants DOJ Holder to give homeowners AKs from the justice department???? lol

  466. Oh wonderful. Who’s for supporting more Muslim Brotherhood types?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/31/us-intelligence-warns-iran-poised-to-conduct-terror-attacks-in-us/

    U.S. intelligence agencies believe that Iran is prepared to launch terrorist attacks inside the United States in response to perceived threats from America and its allies, the U.S. spy chief said Tuesday.
    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said in prepared testimony that an alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington that was uncovered last year reflects an aggressive new willingness within the upper ranks of the Islamist republic to authorize attacks against the United States.

    That plot “shows that some Iranian officials — probably including Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei — have changed their calculus and are now more willing to conduct an attack in the United States in response to real or perceived U.S. actions that threaten the regime,” Clapper said in the testimony, which was submitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee in advance of a threat assessment hearing Tuesday. “We are also concerned about Iranian plotting against U.S. or allied interests overseas.”
    The assessment signals a potentially dire new direction in the adversarial relationship between the United States and Iran, at a time when there are indications that a covert campaign is already underway to thwart Iran’s alleged ambition to develop a nuclear weapons.
    *************************************************************************************
    . . . .any opposition to a full-scale war on Tehran after conducting such an attack on American soil would dissipate overnight.

    Iran knows this, and if they acted in a rational manner, they would not dare to invite such a devastating war on their country. The problem for us is that Iran’s policy is neither rational or irrational, but non-rational. The theocratic clique running the show are true believers in the Twelfth Imam and the need for a conflagration to produce him, and the promised result of Islamic rule throughout the world. Starting a war with the US won’t bother them as they believe that (a) the Muslim world will find itself in such a conflict anyway, and/or (b) they can hasten the arrival of the mahdi by kicking one off. If they see their position threatened in Iran, they may even accelerate those plans before they lose the chance to put them into action.

  467. Re: nomobama
    January 31st, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    If crowds are not indicators, then why does the media work so hard to tamper with the actual numbers of the crowds? For example, the estimate of the crowds that Palin brought in at The Villages….I was there, more than 80k, but the media reported a much much smaller attendance.

  468. Hmmmmmmmm . . . .

    Mrs. Smith
    January 31st, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Kamala Harris – Ken Kumwata – Diane Feinstein – Tony West –

    “And on a related side note, guess who is being considered to head the newly formed Mortgage Origination and Securitization Abuses office? None other than Tony West – brother-in-law to California Attorney General Kamala Harris. Mr. West was the attorney who provided legal defense for a member of the Taliban and later helped Barack Obama raise some $85 million in California-based donations for his 2008 presidential campaign.”

    Shadowfax, remember what I asked yesterday about Ms. Kamala?

  469. The racial charges continue.

    Tingles has a tantrum about the Hatred directed at BO – says never saw same thing with Bush.

    “There is a real level of national hatred of the president [Obama] that I hadn’t seen before, certainly not under Clinton, or under Dubya,” Matthews said. “The hatred, the Hitler mustaches — I hadn’t seen that before.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/31/chris-matthews-i-never-saw-left-wingers-hate-speech-signs-targeting-president-bush/#ixzz1l45XpKsC

    The other day Juan Williams listed “Racial code words” including entitlement society, food stamp president.

    And this is just the beginning.

    Personally, I’d like to hear Newt and Mitt attacking BO, not one another.

  470. Leaving aside personalities, are there any of FDR’s POLICIES (or Hillary’s) that you agree with? (Like, maybe Social Security?)
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    Besides the fact that it was totally unconstitutional, social security is a Ponzi scheme, which is also illegal.

    Others have been sent to jail for such Ponzi schemes. I don’t know how FDR got away it with.

    Besides all of that – the program is a disaster!

  471. Re: Betty
    January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Betty, one of the current events that has me so FURIOUS at Romney and the powers that promote him are his ads down here in Florida. LIES, damn lies, and more damned lies. There is one ad that has been examined by trusted sources and Gingrich that he is running down here, every minute of the hour, that is ALL lies. And then there is the ad that he runds that is so easily misinterpreted that has Brokaw in it; and Brokaw has asked that the ad be pulled….it ‘spins’ facts like there is no tomorrow. And that ad was on at least twice during every commercial break late yesterday down here. He is a Republican version of ObaMAO and we are doomed if he gets the nomination…our whole nation is doomed.

    The ads tht Ginrich runs are for the most part telling his ideas and policies, but even the ‘negative’ ads while angry are not misleading or dishonest. Waht a world of difference!!!!

  472. Besides the fact that it was totally unconstitutional, social security is a Ponzi scheme, which is also illegal.

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    Wow. So, are there any of HIllary’s policies that you do agree with?

  473. Re: BASIL99
    January 31st, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Then Tingles NEVER listened to me while W was in office. I HATED what he stood for; I HATED that he seemed to have no IQ except when it came to sinking our country. I HATED it when seemingly normal people would say, “…but he kept us safe after 9-11.” My response to that was, “…what do you mean kept us safe after 0-11, hell, it happened on his watch…he didn’t keep us very safe now did he?” Oh,and I also HATED that the only reason he won was because his father wanted him to win.

    That is my biggest fear in this election; even beyond all that you all already know about how I HATE ObaMAO’s policies and management as wekk as the horse that he rode in on. That fear is that Daddy Bush and Jeb made a contract with ObaMAO to promote Jeb as POTUS in 2016; while at the same time Romney is doing the same thing on the Republican side and has agreed to be a placeholder for Jeb Bush; setting up Bush Daddy’s son for 2016. While I like Jeb Bush better than his brother and father, I do not want another BUSH in office. Period.

  474. “There is a real level of national hatred of the president [Obama] that I hadn’t seen before, certainly not under Clinton, or under Dubya,” Matthews said. “The hatred, the Hitler mustaches — I hadn’t seen that before.”

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    So where was he in 1963?

  475. Meanwhile Jonathan Martin calls Florida voters “crackers” while his network criticizes Newt for racial language when calling BO the food stamp prez.

    The double standard continues.

    “Chuck, a lot of the counties in the Panhandle, in north Florida, the cracker counties, if you will…more resemble Georgia and Alabama than they do Florida.”

  476. “There is a real level of national hatred of the president [Obama] that I hadn’t seen before, certainly not under Clinton, or under Dubya,” Matthews said. “The hatred, the Hitler mustaches — I hadn’t seen that before.”

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    So where was he in 1963? Or, ftm, during FDR’s term?

  477. Me either, ShortTermer although I agree Jeb seems to have more on the ball. But I don’t want an American royalty. Enough of the Bush’s.

    Ironically, after almost 4 years of BO, George almost seems like a saint by comparison.

  478. It is counterintuitive to want to be one of the ‘first’ and then lose half your delegates. It serves no good purpose that I can see….yet that is what the powers that be in Florida have done more than once.

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    Are the Republicans losing half their votes too? In 2008, the Dems didn’t want to move up; the GOP legislatlure and Governor Crist forced it (perhaps to MAKE trouble for Hillary). Who pushed it this time?

    As for reasons, the early states get a lot of money from the candidates’ teams and the news media coming to cover the contest (and visiting Disneyworld while they’re there). Also though they lose votes, they gain some influence from all this attention and it helpss “momentum” of the candidate they choose.

  479. Romney and Gingrich on Puerto Rico: Romney promoting PR as 51st state; Gingrich says they are already citizns.

    This is a topic that seems to come up every four years. Iirc, PR has voted like three times against statehood; they like their status just as it is. Have they changed, or is Romney barking up the wrong tree.

    In the previous elections LULAC members and other PR citizens said that they were against statehood, have they changed their minds?

    BTW, Gingrich was at The Villages in the daytime but cameras did not pan enough to judge the size of the audience while Romney was there last night in the dark; and again the cameras did not pan the audience. However, it appeared that the audience was so small and tightly clustered that there was no need to pan. As nomobama has pointed out, the wealthy active senior complex, which is LARGE really large,should yield large crowds for Romney if he is their candiidate. My complex is large too, but dwarfs in comparison in size to The Villages.

    I wait with baited breath for the election results tonight.

  480. A lot of conservatives will not vote for Mitt under ANY circumstances. He is a foreign to their world as a martian and he symbolizes everything that is elitist and wrong with the party. They will never vote for the asshole in the White House. They will simply stay home in droves. They would rather lose an election than lose their voice in the party. That is what we are dealing with right now.