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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas

10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something

9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler

8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"

7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors

6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits

5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso

4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy

3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products

2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"

1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama

February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today

10 "Sup?"

9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"

8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"

7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"

6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"

5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"

4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"

3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"

2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"

1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."

January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans

10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"

9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"

8 "Smoke break!"

7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"

6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"

5 "Another smoke break!"

4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"

3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"

2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"

1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"

January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image

10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"

9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop

8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"

7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest

6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape

5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich

4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River

3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?

2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"

1 Uhhh...resign?

January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious

10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"

9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry

8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day

7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain

6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta

5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back

3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"

2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early

1 He demanded a recount

January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy

10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon

9 End our dependence on foreign owls

8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico

7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!

6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs

5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch

4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase

3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt

2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China

1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!

January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch

10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"

9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"

8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"

7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"

6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"

5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"

4 "Kissey kissey"

3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"

2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"

1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"

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Republican South Carolina Fist Fight Debate

Update: The “I can’t believe they’re having another debate” fistfight is on tonight at 9:00 ET. The Republican South Carolina debate is at Myrtle Beach, televised by Fox News.

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“What are you hunting Jack?” Thus begins the interrogation of “Jack Hunter” by Serafina Delle Rose in Tennessee Williams’ The Rose Tattoo (portrayed on film by the magnificent Anna Magnani).



Republican voters are like Serafina/Anna these days as they interrogate their candidates for the presidential nomination. They are bewildered by the chewed over chocolates in the box they have been presented with. They’re confused, angry, but determined to defeat treacherous corrupt boob Barack Obama. They’ll eventually make a decision. But first they want answers and vetting.

From Jon Huntsman the answer to the question “What are you hunting Jon?” is now “a plane ticket home.” He’s out and has endorsed Mitt Romney.

Mitt gets one Huntsman but gets hit with a bottle of Santo-Rum. The corrupt clowns at the DNC take a swig of Santo-Rum and spew it back. In a tough new ad SantoRum states ‘Let’s face it Romney=Obama:



A new DNC ad says “let’s revisit some of Huntsman’s statements about Romney, shall we?”:



It hasn’t been pretty and it’s gonna get uglier - and we’re not talking about Barack and Michelle Obama in the morning.

The bell rings tonight at 9:00 ET. We’ll be watching on Fox News. Will Romney win again????? Is it all over but the mudslinging?????

This Thursday there is another debate and we’ll comment on that one too, as well as on DRAFT HILLARY OR DIE. You’ve been warned.

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176 comments to Republican South Carolina Fist Fight Debate

  • admin

    This belongs in our later post this week on DRAFT HILLARY. But… Jen the Michigander posted it and it bears reading as the Republicans get their ducks in a row:

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/01/14/3660253/clinton-backers-want-her-to-seek.html

    We won’t vote for Obama no matter who his VP is. NObama!

  • Mrs. Smith

    “No matter what happens in 2012, all of us are in agreement about Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Bower said. “I think even people who weren’t Hillary fans are now. She’s been the jewel in [Obama's] crown and I think all Democrats can see that now.

    “If she wants it, I think 2016 is hers for the taking.”
    _________________

    Will was a hard worker for Hillary in 08′. Sounds like Will is becoming active again. Isn’t he living in DC now?

  • turndownobama

    Iirc Will was in or near DC even in 2008. That’s why he got more news coverage than other PUMAs

  • S

    …everytime Romney gets attacked as a (Massachusetts) Moderate tonight…he can count on another independent vote in the national…

  • jtjames

    roll on thursday!

  • Shadowfax

    Will was a hard worker for Hillary in 08′. Sounds like Will is becoming active again. Isn’t he living in DC now?

    ——
    Yup, Will is a stones throw from all the DC action.
    He has stayed active, been working on some state voting stuff…saw some on Facebook awhile back, he also writes for places like HuffPuff.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Shadowfax
    January 16th, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Will was a hard worker for Hillary in 08′. Sounds like Will is becoming active again. Isn’t he living in DC now?

    ——
    Yup, Will is a stones throw from all the DC action.
    He has stayed active, been working on some state voting stuff…saw some on Facebook awhile back, he also writes for places like HuffPuff.
    __________

    Good to know-

    Maybe he will take the lead again under the PUMA banner and run with it- the Pac seems uninvolved and a chat thread.

  • admin

    Five candidates introduced. Kelly Evans is the only woman on the stage. Bret Baier, Juan Williams, Gerald Seib are also there along with the five candidates.

    Baier: You promised a positive campaign but now you cite the NYTimes and other liberal outlets to attack Romney?

    Gingrich: Iowa taught me you have to bring up the competitor’s record. As a young man I worked with Reagan. I worked with Clinton to bring jobs. Romney as governor did not create jobs. Romney makes his Bain record a reason to vote for him so it is right to question that record.

    Baier: WSJ says you embarrass yourself with attacks?

    Gingrich: I raised legitimate questions. Romney should answer with facts and data. Before the general election the answers must come.

    Baier: Your attacks were not questions, but attacks?

    Gingrich: The pattern for Romney was to have companies go broke.

    Romney: I want to see growth. In the private sector I worked for a consulting firm. Some businesses we invested in were successful, some not. My record as governor and rescuing the Olympics came from the success in the private sector. I left the governship with low unemployment, reduced taxes and a rainy day fund.

    Baier: Vulture capitalism? What regulations to curb vulture capitalism?

    Perry: 1 million net new jobs in Texas. Bain destroyed jobs in South Carolina. My records is out in the open. My income taxes are out in the open. Romney should release his tax forms too. We need to know now if we have a flawed candidate. We are strangling this country with regulations.

    Romney: My company invested in companies in South Carolina but China cheated and this hurt steel mills. We created new steel mills and they created jobs.

    Seib: Bain bought a paper company, got profits but lost jobs resulted.

    Romney: We had to consolidate jobs of the old plant and the new plant. Some workers did not want the jobs because they were in unions. Free enterprise is what makes us strong. Every time we invested we tried to create jobs. Staples, Sports Authority created jobs. I know Obama will go after me on this but Obama does not have a jobs plan.

    Evans: Huntsman said campaign is negative. Your ads are negative?

    Paul: If the ads are not true then that is a problem. We did an ad against Santorum and could not get enough information in them. Santorum voted against right to work, for Sarbanes-Oxley, etc.

    Santorum: Paul has been quoting Soros organizations to attack me. I am a strong conservative but not perfect. I regret voting for No Child Left Behind. Pennsylvania is not a right to work state and I did not want to change the law in my state via Washington.

    Williams: Romney distorts your record?

    Santorum: My ads have been positive. Romney is attacking me. Should felons have voting rights after they serve their sentence?

    Romney: The Super Pacs run ads and I hope they are accurate. Santorum complains but I do not think felons should have voting rights.

    Santorum: In Massachusetts felons can vote even as felons. That’s more liberal than me.

    Romney: The legislature was 80% Democratic that’s why. As to Superpacs, I don’t controls them and some have attacked me. I hope it ends.

    Santorum: Romney says he did nothing to change the law.

    Perry: This is a great example of the insiders arguing amongst themselves.

    Romney: I agree with Perry this should be up to the states. I agree with Paul that Santorum voted against conservatives.

    BREAK

  • admin

    Last time it was contraception. Now it’s felon voting rights. It’s the economy stupids.

  • admin

    Baier: Huntsman called you a perfectly lubricated weather vane. Now he endorsed you. Will you change again?

    Romney: The weather vane charge comes from my Massachusetts abortion position. The pro-life community supports me. I support gay rights but not gay marriage. My concern is Obama changing America into a nation we will not recognize. I believe in free enterprise, liberty, freedom. A strong military second to none.

    Williams: Justice Department voter ID challenge. You sided with Governor Haley?

    Perry: The state of South Carolina is at war with the Justice Department. It’s voter ID and the national labor relations board and immigration law. As president I will protect the states from the EPA and the Justice Department. Obama is against organized religion too. It’s a war and this administration is out of control.

    Baier: Debt. Congress authorized more unemployment benefits. Do you support more extensions?

    Santorum: I don’t support extensions up to 99 weeks. This should be sent back to the states.

    Baier: What is the maximum length to collect unemployment?

    Gingrich: All unemployment should be tied to job training. 99 weeks is an associate degree. We up here believe work is good. I’ll help “if” you help yourself. The food stamp president is terrible for the future of this country.

    Evans: European nations downgraded. How far to keep the financial system functioning?

    Romney: We’ve learned not to give the president a slush fund to help his cronies. The right course is to recognize that our system of laws and free enterprise works. Get government out of the American economy as much as possible. Regulations are too burdensome. This does not make sense. We need to open up new markets – which Obama has not done. No bailouts.

  • admin

    Seib: SC defense industries. Close them and lose jobs.

    Paul: I want to cut overseas money. I might have more bases here. We would not be weaker. I get twice as much money from active duty military than any of the others here. There is a difference between military spending and defense spending. The embassy in Iraq is not defense spending it is waste. We need a strong defense but we should not dilute our strength.

    Baier: What is highest level of tax we should have?

    Perry: 20% my plan

    Santorum: 28%

    Romney: 25%

    Gingrich: 15% flat tax.

    Paul: 0%. The inflation tax is what is costly.

    Evans: Obama and your opponents want to see your tax records?

    Romney: Usually records come out in April. I anticipate I will do so around April.

    Williams: Father born in Mexico. You oppose Dream Act supported by Latinos?

    Romney: Latinos want an opportunity nation. We say it can be better. Those who come here illegally should not be given special preferences. Follow the law. I will veto the Dream Act if it violates these principles. Illegals have to go home and then apply to return. I love legal immigration. We have to stop illegal immigration.

    Williams: Obama has not done much about high black unemployment. Special steps needed?

    Santorum: Work, graduate from high school, get married are the three things that defeat poverty. Obama regulations does not allow promoting marriage as a way to fight poverty. No abstinence either. Unconscionable.

    Williams: Blacks jailed 4x more than whites. Racial disparity?

    Paul: Blacks are arrested disproportionately. Same with death penalty. Murders get out of prison some times faster than these victimless crimes. The border violence is part of drug war. MLK would have agreed with me.

    Williams: You’ve said things viewed as insulting to black Americans?

    Gingrich: No, I don’t see that. My daughters first job was a janitor at a church. She liked getting her own money. I received many comments from people who appreciate their first jobs as children. Children can work at the front office, the cafeteria, etc. Only the elites despise making money.

    Williams: The problem is you saying the poor don’t have a work ethic. A woman objected to you saying Obama is a food stamp president.

    Gingrich: Obama has put more Americans on food stamps. Facts are politically uncorrect. My point: I believe every American has a right to pursue happiness. I will help poor people to get a job and eventually own a job.

    BREAK.

  • admin

    Hands down Newt won that section of the debate.

  • admin

    Baier: Against killing Bin Laden?

    Paul: My frustration was it took 10 years to kill him. We give money to Pakistan and don’t respect their sovereignty. This does not make sense. I think we should respect nation’s sovereignty. We are digging bigger and bigger holes.

    Baier: Ron Paul would run to the left of Obama on killing terrorists?

    Paul: We needed the authority of the congress. We captured Saddam Hussein. Adolph Eichman. Why didn’t we capture him?

    Baier: Would you authorize this type of killing even if it ended Pakistani/US cooperation?

    Gingrich: He is not a Chinese dissident. Paul’s example is irrational. We gave Pakistan $20 billion and Pakistan knew Bin Laden was hiding there. South Carolina of Andrew Jackson killed America’s enemies.

    Paul: Don’t do to other nations what we don’t want done to us. We bomb these other nations then don’t understand why they get upset with us?

    Baier: Negotiate with Taliban?

    Romney: Gingrich is right. The answer is to kill them. Obama wants to negotiate from a position of weakness. We are under attack from violent Jihadists. The answer is to do what we did to Bin Laden.

    Baier: Taliban might be our enemy and negotiating partner – said by your adviser?

    Romney: He’s wrong. The vice president is wrong. The right course is to strengthen the Afghanistan military. We should defeat the Taliban.

    Baier: In Syria thousands are killed. What would you do?

    Santorum: Obama has handled it as badly as possible. Israel has done the opposite. Obama has isolated Israel. Syria and Assad are a threat to Israel.

    Baier: Murder rate against women dramatically rose in Turkey? Should Turkey be in NATO

    Perry: The United States should look to zero foreign aid to these countries. I lived in Turkey when I was in the Air Force. Obama has a foreign policy that makes our allies nervous and emboldens our enemies. There should be no space between the U.S. and Israel. This administration disdains our military. What is “utterly despicable” is what was done to Danny Pearl. Obama takes out 1 trillion out of our military. I lived through a reduction of defense spending and saw what happened in Iran.

    Paul: I too served in the air force. The Taliban used to be our allies when they fought the Russians. They are against foreigners.

    Evans: Obama got the power for indefinite detention. Would you have signed it?

    Romney: I would. It’s necessary to have the right to detain those that join groups that declare war against America. I recognize this might be abused. I would not abuse this power. People who join Al Queada do not have the normal rights. I also agree with Perry on the Obama military cuts. We cannot continue to cut our defense budget.

    Santorum: The law should not have been changed. American citizens should have the right to file a habeus corpus petition in the courts.

    Paul: This is major. The military can arrest Americans for suspicion. Don’t give up on the American judicial system.

  • admin

    Evans: Housing market improvement?

    Perry: A simple flat tax of 20%. Even Timothy Geithner can understand this. Make congress a part time body so they get a real job like everybody else.

    Evans: No pointed measure?

    Perry: Cut taxes and investors will come in. We don’t need Freddie and Fannie in the housing market anymore.

    Seib: SS and Medicare?

    Romney: For those 55 and over nothing changes. Don’t forget it was Obama who cut have a trillion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. Add a year or two to retirement for SS. Means testing and premium support program. Higher benefits for lower income people and lower benefits for higher income. Repeal Obamacare.

    Seib: Private accounts for younger workers but then government would make up the difference.

    Gingrich: Chile has done this. It is also voluntary. In Chile there is 2x or 3x higher income for these programs. Make it voluntary and over 90% of young people will do this. It gets the government out of our lives and gives higher returns and reduces income inequality.

    Seib: Aren’t you picking winners and losers with your plan?

    Santorum: Government regulations and taxation are the problem. A flat 17 and one half percent. Level the playing field. We have deficits now in SS and Medicare.

    Gingrich: We pay for it by taking 185 federal bureaucracies and consolidate them into single block grants. We take the savings and send them to the states.

    Santorum: You balloon the deficit and add more financial responsibility to the federal government.

    Gingrich: I helped balance the budget and can do so again.

    Romney: Rick is right. It’s going to get tough to get this done. We have to balance our budget.

    BREAK

  • ABM90

    This article is written by Evelyn Pringle a Chicago Tribune Investigative prize winning reporter.This is just asmall segment of the court trial Google her name if you want the mother lode of the Obama Rezko partnership.

    ====================================================

    In March 2008, presidential candidate Barack Obama appeared before the editorial board of the Chicago Sun Times. The transcript of the interview includes these exchanges:

    Q: In November 2006, you and your campaign exchanged with us written interrogatories. So a lot of the quotes I will give you just come out of those. The campaign said that you probably had lunch with Rezko once or twice a year. You sort of added four or five times, something like that.

    John Thomas is an FBI mole. He recently told us that he saw you coming and going from Rezko’s office a lot. And three other sources told us that you and Rezko spoke on the phone daily. Is that true?

    A: No. That’s not accurate. I think what is true is that, it depends on the period of time. I knew him for … I’m just trying to do the math here. I’ve known him for 17 years. There were stretches of time where I would see him once or twice a year. But as I said when he was involved in finance committee for the U.S. Senate race, or the state senate races, or the U.S. Congressional race, then he was an active member. And there’s no doubt there were much more intensive discussion at that point. During the U.S. Senate race, there’s be stretches of like a couple of weeks – for example prior to him organizing the fundraiser that he did for us – where I would probably be talking to him once a day to make sure that was going well. But the typical relationship was one that was fond. We would see each other. But there would be no reason for me to be seeing him that often.

    Q: You told us in November 2006, that your best estimate was that Rezko raised somewhere between $50,000 and $60,000 during your political career. Since then, your campaign’s given back $157,000 in Rezko-related contributions. Now the total is what?

    A: Let me say this. That original estimate was based on, I asked my staff to find what monies they attributed to Rezko, and this was the figure given to me. The money that we’ve given back includes money that was raised at the house when he had that fundraiser, even though these are people who Tony probably didn’t raise the money for, er from, these would have been individuals who I had known separately who were supporters who basically got funneled into that fundraiser. But because they went to that fundraiser, we decided to return the money.

    Q: Is your total now, as you continue to scrub these contributions, is it higher in terms of what he bundled for you, or got for you, than $157,000?

    A: We believe that we have identified all the money that we know of right now that is traceable to Tony Rezko and we’ve given that to charity…

    Q: The Tribune Web site is saying that you told them $250,000.

    A: Well I think that’s a tally of tally of all the money that they’re talking about over the course of that 10 years. So that would include the $160,000, plus the $10,000 to $15,000 for senate races plus the money that might have been raised, I think they just did their own math.

    Math is math. And Obama’s Rezko-money number math went from $50,000 to $250,000 in one interview. And, he claimed that FBI mole was “not accurate” about him, Obama, having had frequent meetings with Rezko.

    Today, conventional wisdom seems to perceive U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald as being an “untouchable” whose credentials for integrity and diligence are above reproach. But there is a minority opinion that he acted to keep then presidential candidate Obama’s name out of the Rezko trial, just as President Obama’s name now stands to be kept out of the Blagojevich trial, if indeed, there is one.

    While lawyers for former Gov. Rod Blagojevich were shot down Friday by U.S. District Judge James Zagel in their bid to drag President Obama into testifying at his trial, they succeeded in at least one respect. They exposed just how determined federal prosecutors and the judge seem to be to keep Obama out of the Blago fray as much as possible.

    To date, Bernard Barton, Jr. (AKA John Thomas) has never been called before a public jury to tell what he knows. Nor has he been sentenced for his crimes going back to the late 1990’s.
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    Tags: Bernard Barton Jr., Carnegie Realty Partners, Chicago, Chicago Tribune,

  • turndownobama

    Gingrich running on Bill Clinton’s record:

    “Gingrich: I helped balance the budget and can do so again.”

    It will get balanced again if we elect Hillary.

  • admin

    Williams: Weak on gun rights?

    Romney: In Massachusetts the pro and anti gun lobby wrote the law. We have the right to bear arms. We don’t need new laws to restrict gun ownership.

    Williams: You hunted “varmints”. Gone hunting lately?

    Romney: Moose hunting. Rick Perry is probably a bigger hunter.

    Williams: You voted on gun restrictions?

    Santorum: I support gun rights. I voted with the NRA. I am an A+ on gun rights. I fought against gun manufacturers liability. Paul voted for that liability and against the NRA and gun rights.

    Paul: Hardly wipe out the second amendment. You don’t have national tort law. I am for repealing gun laws.

    Santorum: Without that legislation there would have been a de facto repeal of the second amendment.

    Seib: You provided government funding for abortion?

    Gingrich: That’s what the Romney superpac says. It is a falsehood. This would not have paid for China’s one child policy and forced abortion. Romney should take falsehoods off the air.

    Romney: Anything that is false should be taken off the air. I can’t call them because that would violate federal law. Is that correct? As to Superpac ad that is inaccurate you have an ad that is the biggest hoax since bigfoot. It’s businesses I had nothing to do with.

    Gingrich: I said publicly it should be edited.

    Romney: We’d all like to see Superpacs disappear. We need to get rid of McCain Feingold and other campaign finance laws. Give the control back to the campaigns. Candidates should have the responsibility and the right to manage the ads that run.

    Evans: Border crossings at 40 year lows but you want a fence?

    Perry: 40 years law because the economy is at a 40 year low. We need a new president. We need to secure the border. Get it done.

    Baier: No Child Left Behind a success or failure?

    Gingrich: A failure. No teacher likes it. Immigrants tested against a national standard. Reduce the Department of Education return the money to the states. Let parents teacher students get back to learning.

    IT’S OVER.

  • admin

    The candidates were very strong tonight. Gingrich, Romney, Perry (in that order) did well. Santorum and Paul did less well.

    Newt helped himself a great deal today except when he was whining about superpacs. Romney did well but danced around some questions (such as his taxes). Perry came out with six guns blazing.

  • Shadowfax

    Admin, you are incredible posting these debates, I have the debate on Tivo and still listening, no time to post…how do you do it?

  • admin

    Typing with toes helps Shadowfax. :)

  • admin

    This is a fair analysis from the Professor, although we don’t think the tax returns issue is at all important, just a distraction:

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/01/republican-south-carolina-debate/

    Endgame Analysis: I don’t think Romney was mortally wounded, but he did stammer through some key issues such as the release of his tax returns. Clearly Newt had almost all of and the biggest moments. Probably Rick Perry’s best debate, Santorum was uneven. Probably Ron Paul’s worst debate.

    If Newt’s goal was to knock Romney down, it probably didn’t work. If Newt’s goal was to establish himself as the leader of the Newt-Santorum-Perry grouping, it probably worked. To the extent a debate can make a difference, this should help separate Newt from Santorum, the question is if it was enough.

    Newt should send Juan Williams a box of chocolates, some flowers, perfume, negligee, and a stack of cash for all the help Williams unintentionally gave Newt.

  • ShortTermer

    Don’t get me wrong, I will vote for a doll, even if it is Chucky; but I just can not get over the fact that Romney seems so plastic, then it dawned on me, like a Ken doll.

    Why is the media bashing Gingrich for doing what the DNC and ObaMAO are sure to do but with ieds instead of open air warfare? Remember that Romney did it to Gingrich first in Iowa and cost Gingrich a large slump in the polls…..first blood, you know. And Romney’s answers are all so about how proud he is of his work in the private sector….he never answers the real tough questions with the real nitty gritty answers that would save his butt. I like a fighter; a fighter is what it will take to win in 2012.

  • Shadowfax

    My scores on this debate:

    Wilber, always a shallow smile while the others try to rip him to shreads…5 points
    Newt, sounds smart but has a hidden temper he always ends up tripping over. -2 points.
    Santorum, boring and rubs me wrong. -8 points
    Paul, like his chuckle when he thinks others misquote him and the more time he has to explain the more I respect him and think he is quite intelligent. 6 points
    Perry, something about his Texan personality is uplifting, but I don’t trust him as a President. 1 point

  • Shadowfax

    Thanks AmericanGal for the Insider

    Wonder what it was all about…with Ron Paul and the rest of the sorty yhat is in multiple parts…

  • Shadowfax

    Oooops

    story that is in multiple parts…..

  • nomobama

    I didn’t watch the debate because I donated all of our three TV’s to the Salvation Army a couple of months ago. I wasn’t watching much TV, and as long as I have access to the internet, I won’t miss TV. Anyway, I actually like Rick Perry. He has a record to stand on, and I do not care that he is not the best speaker. Our grand leader is supposed to be the best! speaker, and he obviously um, sucks at it, so I don’t pay speaking ability much heed. I agree with ShortTermer that a fighter is needed, and Gingrich, and to a lesser extent Santorum fit the bill in that regard. If i were to vote in the Republican primary in Florida (I can’t because I am still a registered Democrat), I would vote for Gingrich. I do not explicitly trust the guy, but he would humiliate Obama in a debate. Yeah, he can be a smug, pompous arse, but at least he has a functioning brain between his ears. Obama’s is fried.

    It looks like I will be attending some type of rally this Saturday in Orlando with my conservative friend (former liberal Democrat) in which Herman Cain will be one of the speakers. I am not sure if it is a Tea Party event, but I am looking forward to attending this rally.

  • holdthemaccountable

    admin January 16th, 2012 at 11:13 pm Newt vs Juan video
    —————————-
    Damn! That’s good.

  • holdthemaccountable

    King service includes criticism of Newt Gingrich – NorthJersey.com
    Here’s the first comment at article’s end:
    Gabriel Marc Beaven Top Commenter · Atlanta, Georgia
    I do know Dr. King would of never ever said anything against any of the candidates he would of wanted things to be fair, and you know what Dr. King was to me a great leader, he was a man of the people not the Democratic Party, and just found this out recently The great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican,
    http://www.northjersey.com/news/King_service_includes_criticism_of_Newt_Gingrich.html

  • holdthemaccountable

    Perhaps Obama will end racism, but it will be by virtue of the fact that he has worn it into the ground.

  • jeswezey

    nomobama
    January 17th, 2012 at 4:09 am
    “I didn’t watch the debate because I donated all of our three TV’s to the Salvation Army a couple of months ago. I wasn’t watching much TV, and as long as I have access to the internet, I won’t miss TV.”
    ==========

    Now there is a man of the future. Good for you!

  • jeswezey

    AmericanGal – Thanks for the link to the new Ulsterman report. Now I’m convinced that neither Ulsterman nor his insiders are fictional characters. In fact, I’m pretty sure he has given too many clues to hide his own identity or that of his insiders any longer. Ulsterman in a reporter or writer of northern Irish origin and he and his interlocutors have indicated on the site that he has written about certain items in the press. Anyone who knows the press and its writers should be able to identify him. The Wall Street Insider would be much harder to locate. The DC insider should also be easy to identify by his language and by the people he has known, especially by what he says of his experiences in this last post.

    Incidentally, what the insider says of Bill and Hillary in this last post confirms my own impression: You like Bill but you fear Hillary. “You step in to say hello to Bill because you want to, but you say hello to Hillary because you don’t want her pissed off that you didn’t.”

  • holdthemaccountable

    Following up on ABM90 re Evelyn Pringle, there’s this:
    13 May 2008
    By Evelyn Pringle
    … Republicans have enough damaging information against Barack Obama to knock him off the ballot before the November election. Those at the top of the Democratic Party know this by now and voters need to recognize that if they nominate him they are throwing the election. Nothing else can explain why they would allow this disaster to happen….
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S00171.htm – the most reputable link I could find in my limited research. Thing is, I think a lot of Pringles gave a lot of money to BO in ’08. Maybe my memory is off.

  • Shez ZK

    holdthem, it was Penny Pritzker of Chicago that you are thinking of. Pringle the reporter has done outstanding work.

  • Mrs. Smith

    NewMexicoFan
    January 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Michelle work? The Obama’s figure on retiring mufti-millionaires- Obama thinks he will be a high dollar keynote events speaker.. no worries about her ever toiling away on legislation good for America.

    After torturing America for 4 years. I hope a judge sentences them to 10 yrs of latrine duty at Grand Central Station or the closest Army barracks near Chicago.

  • Southern Born

    “Michelle work? The Obama’s figure on retiring mufti-millionaires- Obama thinks he will be a high dollar keynote events speaker.. no worries about her ever toiling away on legislation good for America.

    After torturing America for 4 years. I hope a judge sentences them to 10 yrs of latrine duty at Grand Central Station or the closest Army barracks near Chicago.”
    **********************************************************************

    Ya’ll have wonderful ideas. Appropriate job opportunity for the Obamas but they’ll need supervisors to work with them. How about Valerie J or Alxelrod? Everyone should work where they are best suited don’t you think?

  • jbstonesfan

    It was one of the better debates..Romney still needs to get a lot tougher if he hope to beat team “O”.

  • turndownobama

    what the insider says of Bill and Hillary in this last post confirms my own impression: You like Bill but you fear Hillary. “You step in to say hello to Bill because you want to, but you say hello to Hillary because you don’t want her pissed off that you didn’t.”

    ======================

    I can’t imagine Hillary keeping track of something like that, much less caring.

  • Southern Born

    Potty supervisors…naw…too common. How about Latrine CZARS?

  • JanH

    a walk down memory lane…

    PART 1 OF THE TOP 10 SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON MEDIA MOMENTS OF 2011




  • Southern Born

    The Insider surely does sound like James Carville doesn’t he in his demeanor and language but James is not a Wall Street guy.

  • JanH

    PART 2 OF THE TOP 10 SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON MEDIA MOMENTS OF 2011




  • Shadowfax

    Hillary would never have to worry about my not saying hello to her, she might have to brace herself as I try to leap to avoid her sec. service guys as I dive in to give her a long awaited hug.

  • admin

    No one is afraid of a boob:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/us-drone-that-crashed-in-iran-goes-miniature/2012/01/17/gIQAAzAi5P_blog.html

    For the American government, the crash of the RQ-170 drone in Iran was an embarrassment. For the Iranian government, it was a propaganda victory.

    And for at least one company, according to state radio, it could be a windfall.

    An Iranian firm, seeking to capitalize on the frenzy that followed the crash of the drone — and American calls to have it returned — is now producing miniaturized toy versions of the craft. Most of the toys, which come in several colors and are made of Iranian plastic, have already been snapped up by Iranian government organizations, according to the group that manufactures them.

    At least one model — a pink one — has been reserved for President Obama.

    “He said he wanted it back, and we will send him one,” said Reza Kioumarsi, the head of cultural production at the Ayeh Art group.

  • holdthemaccountable

    Shez ZK January 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am holdthem, it was Penny Pritzker of Chicago that you are thinking of
    ——————
    Thanks Shez for correcting my error.

  • jeswezey

    Shadowfax: “Hillary would never have to worry about my not saying hello to her, she might have to brace herself…”
    =======

    The question is not whether Hillary would worry about such things. The WH insider said “you fear Hillary” – you’re worried about her reaction. I know what he means. When I met Hillary on the Capitol steps in 2003, I was in the company of a fearless young woman of 17 who was a native of Manhattan and she immediately began joking with Hillary. The two hit it off grandly but I was tongue-tied. I have met my share of world leaders and have acted and spoken appropriately each time; but I was unable to say a word to HIllary. I think I was scared to say something stupid – I was dying to ask her if she would run for president in 2004, but in the midst of all the laughter, I just felt stupid.

  • holdthemaccountable

    Single Father Upset After Protesters ‘Occupy’ His House
    January 17 2012 EAST NEW YORK, NY (PIX11)—
    A single father of two daughters, who was forced out of his house in Brooklyn by Bank of America, is upset the Occupy Wall Street movement has now moved into it. Wise Ahadzi, an immigrant from Ghana, said police notified him last month that a homeless family affiliated with the “Occupy” cause was living at his old address at 702 Vermont Street in East New York.
    snip On Monday night, Wise Ahadzi was returning from a trip upstate with his daughters, wishing the Occupy movement would put its energies behind him. The bank acknowledges he still, technically, owns the house. “Why give this to a homeless person?” Ahadzi asked. “Why not the owner of the house?” Monday evening, Alfredo Carrasquillo told PIX, “We have tried to reach out to Mr. Wise. We’re more than happy to help out in any way we can.”
    MUCH more at
    http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-single-father-occupy-wall-street,0,1304313.story

  • moononpluto

    Its officially a joke.

    Obama: I’m going to Disney World

    The president is expected to deliver his remarks inside the Magic Kingdom, with Disney’s iconic Cinderella Castle as backdrop. The resort has prohibited employees from using passes to get into its flagship theme park for the day and taken a series of steps to steer guests into its other three parks, as well.

    While the details of his plan are hazy, there is one topic at the top of the political wish list for Central Florida’s tourism industry: Visa reform. The tourism industry has been pushing Congress and Obama to make travel easier for visitors from emerging nations such as Brazil, India and China.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-obama-disney-visit-20120117,0,4346027.story
    …………….

    Seriously, you are going to deliver a policy from the disney castle? Well Hillary and Bill were right, a great big fairytale presidency.

  • moononpluto

    Best line ever, re Obama Disney.

    “Mickey Mouse is gonna get confused. Two Goofies in one place.”

  • moononpluto

    Take Michelle along, and we’d have Dopey and Grumpy giving US policy.

  • moononpluto

    Oh we are gonna have some fun with this Disney lark. Best suggestion hats on folks.

  • moononpluto

    Maybe we can get a few Pinocchio lines in there two, the Evil witch queen, magic and unicorns, the list is endless.

  • moononpluto

    I can see it now, the magical unicorn and rainbow policy vist. WTF are they thinking or is this another day out for michelle and the kids, yay freebie at disneyland, lets close the park and i get to do a speech too.

  • Mrs. Smith

    “While the details of his plan are hazy, there is one topic at the top of the political wish list for Central Florida’s tourism industry: Visa reform. The tourism industry has been pushing Congress and Obama to make travel easier for visitors from emerging nations such as Brazil, India and China.”
    ____________

    Using Disney to distract from handing out Visas wholesale?
    Immigration quotas must be filling up quickly. So lets just reform (relax) the Visa guidelines and let PA refugees or whoever come in through Brazil, India and China. Problem solved!

  • JanH

    bambi going to Disney?

    —-
    well maybe his prince will come.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Four more years of Obama and there won’t be any savings left to raid!
    _________________

    Americans raid savings, putting recovery at risk

    Workers pare back contributions to college funds, more borrow from retirement accounts

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46025535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/#.TxXiuIHW6IQ

  • Mrs. Smith

    JanH
    January 17th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    bambi going to Disney?

    —-
    well maybe his prince will come.
    __________

    TOO Funny! Good One!

  • moononpluto

    Hilarity……

    Best thing about the video of Pelosi disowning Occupy? The “BANK OF AMERICA” banner behind her.

    Couldnt make it up.

  • moononpluto

    Dear #Occupy: that loud “CLANG” was the sound of a 16-ton irony falling on your head.

    Protest Sapped of Cash
    Occupy Wall Street Freezes Spending on New Projects as Donations Dry Up

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204468004577165423192946892.html

  • Mrs. Smith

    How perfect is that? woo-hoo!

  • moononpluto

    Darby O’Bama and the little people.




    So fitting, fiddling hard so he can steal the money away from all the fairy leprechauns. (from Disny’s Darby o’gill)

  • Mrs. Smith

    Gingrich On Obama: “I Don’t Want To Bloody His Nose, I Want To Knock Him Out”

    Question at town hall: “What I’ve been looking for in my candidate is fire in the belly. We’ve got to bloody Obama’s nose. You’ve mentioned challenging him to seven, three-hour debates. He has this armor of media surrounding him. If he doesn’t agree to that, how do you plan to aggressively take the gloves off and go after him?”

    Newt Gingrich: “Let me say first of all, I don’t want to argue with you about the analogy. I don’t want to bloody his nose, I want to knock him out.”
    ____________

    video @ link:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/17/gingrich_on_obama_i_dont_want_to_bloody_his_nose_i_want_to_knock_him_out.html

  • JanH

    lol…admin.

    my fellow workers are wondering why I burst out laughing just now. :)

  • Mrs. Smith

    Morning clip of Romney from last night’s debate- He said: “Obama’s going to come after me.” What the? What a candy a**…

    It was very disappointing to hear him say that- he is an appeaser and another McCain rollover… and Pelosi wants him as the Dem nominee. How much more of a hint does it take to understand the Obama assassins are prepared to skin Romney alive? Romney should be fighting for America like it’s his last day on earth in a free country! Fire in the belly? Romney? yeah right- He would make a better Fireman than a Leader of what’s left of the Free World!

  • moononpluto

    Theres already one Dumbo in disney park, won’t a 2nd confuse matters.

  • Shadowfax

    I had to go back and reread part of the Insider report, the part about Ron Paul because it didn’t make sense to me before:

    “UM: Could they want Ron Paul to make a 3rd party run? Or to have people write his name in if he is not the nominee? Have you done any polling to determine if Ron Paul would actually pull more from the Democratic Party side than the Republican side?

    (Lengthy Pause)

    Insider: Son, you might have just opened up my own eyes on this. Son-of-a-b-tch….they been playing a whole different game on this. The anti-war…that whole angle. Sh-t…right in front of me and I didn’t see it. Right fu–ing there and I didn’t see it!

    UM: So that’s it then? You think—

    Insider: (interrupts) That could be it. It sure as hell could. Makes more sense… If I find some polling has been done…can trace who ordered it up…(laughs) That sneaky old bastard…this would be so like them. You got no idea…they are gonna either laugh or be seriously pissed when they read this. Either way – you print it. Don’t lose your nuts kid. You print this. Just like we said it. You gonna do that?

    UM: That has always been the agreement.

    Insider: Good enough…(slaps hand down on table) Sneaky bastard!

    UM: They did say they were working to defeat Obama more than either one of us realized.

    Insider: Yes they did. And one thing I know – they are good on their word. Even if they don’t explain the process…the outcome has rarely been wrong.”

    —-
    So if I read this correctly, someone that wants Obama defeated (not sure if its’ Rethug or Dim party person)
    WANTS Ron Paul to run as a third party candidate because some polls run claim as a third party candidate the people will peal off more from the Dems (Obama) than the GOP candidate (Mitt?) and it would help the GOPs win.

    That’s how I see it, is that what others think he was saying?????

  • Shadowfax

    What, Barry is gonna give a big speech in Disneyland?

    You just can’t make this up, will the TOTUS fit on the big tea cups?

  • Shadowfax

    Going to Disneyland




  • moononpluto

    Admin is gonna have a field day doing a post on this Disneyland crap, its just full of material to rip the ass out off.

  • Shadowfax

    Valerie Jarrett Getting Secret Service Protection?

    by Ulsterman
    Has an adviser to a president ever received a Secret Service detail? Apparently Valerie Jarrett does…

    In a story initially broken by WhiteHouseDossier reporter Keith Koffler, it appears controversial and highly influential senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett has justified utilizing taxpayer funded Secret Service protection. Local reports of Jarrett’s recent visit to a church in Atlanta indicated the presence of Secret Service agents. Such a presence would be rather unusual for someone simply described as a presidential adviser:

    It’s possible that Jarrett has received enough specific and credible threats to justify Secret Service protection, or that the Secret Service has for some other reason calculated that she needs bodyguards. But it’s also possible this is a case of oddly overdoing it – and overusing taxpayer resources.

    Is she really such a public figure? I’m sure 90 percent of Americans have little to no idea who she is. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney is far better known and spends his time warning terrorists and our foreign adversaries about bad behavior while trumpeting the killing of Osama Bin Laden. I’m sure he does not have protection.

    One source of mine, who is knowledgable about what a Secret Service detail would look like, said he spotted Jarrett at Reagan National Airport with her protection as she departed Washington just before Christmas.

    The presence of such protection certainly adds further evidence of the true nature of Valerie Jarrett’s role in the Obama White House – that of a de facto president who oversees the administration’s direction via her second floor West Wing office – just a brief walk from the the Obama’s private residence.

  • Shadowfax

    Mickey Mouse Barack Obama T-Shirt

    http://www.thoseshirts.com/mic.html

    Maybe MO can ask $3 for these t-shirts to make money for his campaign?

    Maybe he can promise to take a spin on the Tea Cups with winners of these donations.

    Maybe the Tea Cups will spin so fast they will break away from their foundations and launch him into orbit?

    So much to hope for. ;-)

  • AmericanGal

    On the Jarrett Secret Service detail–here is a story from 2010 that says she has been getting special privileges for some time..

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/11/top-obama-advisers-jarrett-and-axelrod-given-car-privileges-traditionally-reserved-for-national-security-officials/

  • Mrs. Smith

    U.S. Treasury dips into pension funds to avoid debt limit That would be SS-
    forget the G-Fund..
    ___________

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Treasury on Tuesday started dipping into federal pension funds in order to give the Obama administration more credit to pay government bills.

    “I will be unable to invest fully” the federal employees retirement system fund beginning Tuesday, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a letter to Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress.

    The U.S. House of Representatives is expected to vote on Wednesday on the Obama administration’s request to raise the country’s legal debt limit to $16.394 trillion.

    However, unless the lower chamber and the Senate are able to shore up enough votes to block the White House request, the debt limit will be increased by $1.2 trillion next Friday and a repeat of last year’s debt ceiling debacle will be averted.

    Geithner said Treasury started suspending reinvestments in a federal pension fund known as the G-Fund — a tool Treasury has had to employ six times over the past 20 years in order to keep the country below the statutory debt limit.

    The Treasury Department has already tapped another seldom-used fund in order to allow the government to continue borrowing without running afoul of the country’s laws.

    http://news.yahoo.com/u-treasury-dips-pension-funds-avoid-debt-limit-211817768.html

  • Mrs. Smith

    Tax-Payer dollars spent protecting Axelrod and Jarrett?
    ______________

    January 17, 2012

    Top Obama advisers Jarrett and Axelrod given car privileges traditionally reserved for national security officials

    President Obama has expanded the very small group of top aides who are given the privilege of taxpayer-funded personal drivers — who take them from their house to work and back home again each day — to include two top political advisers.

    The Bush White House did not give the same privileges to any of its political advisers, according to former Bush administration officials. There is a record of the Clinton White House doing so once for two months, according to documents obtained by The Daily Caller.

    Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod, both senior advisers to the president, have been given the luxurious and prestigious perk of being picked up at their homes and driven to work or around town throughout the day in government vehicles chauffeured by military drivers, according to a list of those given the benefit provided to The Daily Caller by the White House.

    In addition, Jarrett has been made a “protectee” of the Secret Service, a spokesman for the agency said. It is not clear to what extent Jarrett receives protection. Neither the White House or Secret Service would comment on the matter.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/11/top-obama-advisers-jarrett-and-axelrod-given-car-privileges-traditionally-reserved-for-national-security-officials/#ixzz1jlImGJCM

  • Shadowfax

    Posted over on the PAC

    Obama goes on a State visit to Israel. While he is on a tour of
    Jerusalem, he has a fatal heart attack.

    The undertakers tells the US diplomats: “You can have him shipped home
    for $1 million or you can bury him here in the Holy Land for $100.”

    The US diplomats go into a huddle and come back to the undertaker and
    tell him they still want Obama flown home.

    The undertaker is puzzled and asks: “Why would you spend $1 million to
    get him home when it would be wonderful to be buried here in this
    religious country and you would only spend $100?”

    One diplomat replied: “More than 2000 years ago a man died here, was
    buried here, and just 3 days later he rose from the dead. We simply
    can’t take that risk”.

  • JanH

    “Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod, both senior advisers to the president, have been given the luxurious and prestigious perk of being picked up at their homes and driven to work or around town throughout the day in government vehicles chauffeured by military drivers, according to a list of those given the benefit provided to The Daily Caller by the White House.”

    ———————

    Mrs. Smith,

    Sure makes you wonder just how much taxpayer money goes to this sort of drivel.

  • Mrs. Smith

    JanH
    January 17th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    Sure makes you wonder just how much taxpayer money goes to this sort of drivel.
    __________

    Public outrage would be deafening..

    VJ is really stepping out- Threatening Republicans:

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com

  • turndownobama

    Theres already one Dumbo in disney park, won’t a 2nd confuse matters.

    =================

    Obama isn’t Dumbo, he’s C3pio.

  • Mrs. Smith

    admin:

    Join the Protest SOPA/PIPA!

    From 8am to 8pm January 18, 2012

    Not looking for a blackout… but..a ribbon striped on the diagonal in the upper right hand corner of every page will signal supporting the protest-

    read more here.

    http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/join-our-censorship-protest/

    Please join the Protest against this attempt of Congressional legislation to censor the Internet scheduled to be voted on next week.

  • moononpluto

    Where did everyone go last night….1 post in 5 hrs…all out partying at Disneyland?

  • moononpluto

    IMF aiming to increase current $400bn bailout fund to $1tn

    ………………………

    Good luck with that, you’re gonna need it, honestly, what a clusterfuck.

  • holdthemaccountable

    Now that Jay-Z is father to Blue Ivy, he’s had an epiphany of sorts. Says he will drop the B word from his language. WPIX Larry Mendte has effective commentary here: http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/8c1a31ab-84f0-4965-a257-0a410db416ef/News/Mendte-Jay-Z-Kills-the-B-Word

  • Mrs. Smith

    I’m sure if we aren’t paying attention and this protest fails- it will censor words including Obama, Michelle and printed word referring back to them will be off limits to blogs seriously affecting our Rights to Free Speech-
    ________________

    Protest on Web Uses Shutdown to Take On Two Piracy Bills

    The bills, “the Stop Online Piracy Act in the House and the Protect IP Act” in the Senate, are backed by major media companies and are mostly intended to curtail the illegal downloading and streaming of TV shows and movies online. But the tech industry fears that, among other things, they will give media companies too much power to shut down sites that they say are abusing copyrights.

    The legislation has jolted technology leaders, venture capitalists and entrepreneurs, who are not accustomed to having their free-wheeling online world come under attack.

    One response is Wednesday’s protest, which will direct anyone visiting Google and many other Web sites to pages detailing the tech industry’s opposition to the bills. Wikipedia, run by a nonprofit organization, is going further than most sites by actually taking material offline — no doubt causing panic among countless students who have a paper due.

    It said the move was meant to spark greater public opposition to the bills, which could restrict its freedom to publish.

    “For the first time, it’s very clear that legislation could have a direct impact on the industry’s ability to do business,” said Jessica Lawrence, the managing director of New York Tech Meetup, a trade organization with 20,000 members that has organized a protest rally in Manhattan on Wednesday. “This has been a wake-up call.”

    Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia Law School, said that the technology industry, which has birthed large businesses like Google, Facebook and eBay, is much more powerful than it used to be.

    “This is the first real test of the political strength of the Web, and regardless of how things go, they are no longer a pushover,” said Professor Wu, who is the author of “The Master Switch: The Rise and Fall of Information Empires.” He added, “The Web taking a stand against one of the most powerful lobbyers and seeming to get somewhere is definitely a first.”

    Under the proposed legislation, if a copyright holder like Warner Brothers discovers that a foreign site is focused on offering illegal copies of songs or movies, it could seek a court order that would require search engines like Google to remove links to the site and require advertising companies to cut off payments to it.

    Internet companies fear that because the definitions of terms like “search engine” are so broad in the legislation, Web sites big and small could be responsible for monitoring all material on their pages for potential violations — an expensive and complex challenge.

    They say they support current law, which requires Web sites with copyright-infringing content to take it down if copyright holders ask them to, leaving the rest of the site intact. Google, which owns YouTube and other sites, received five million requests to remove content or links last year, and it says it acts in less than six hours if it determines that the request is legitimate.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/technology/web-wide-protest-over-two-antipiracy-bills.html?_r=1&hp

  • Mrs. Smith

    You know going in- if the House and Senate are rushing these Bills through it has to benefit Obama- When did Obama ever do anything for Business and Free Speech? There has to be language in the Bills that would stifle criticism of the president and democrats and strengthen the grip on power coming from the White House.

  • holdthemaccountable

    1. Now that Jay-Z is father to Blue Ivy, he’s had an epiphany of sorts. Says he will drop the B word from his language. WPIX Larry Mendte has effective commentary here: http://www.wpix.com/videobeta/8c1a31ab-84f0-4965-a257-0a410db416ef/News/Mendte-Jay-Z-Kills-the-B-Word

    2. CSPAN’s Washington Journal conducting vote on facebook for/against web blackout www DOT facebook.com/CSPAN

  • Mrs. Smith

    Muslims Say Ron Paul Is Their Kind Of Republican

    The renegade Republican has piqued Muslim interest with promises to extract America from foreign wars, cut aid to Israel, and protect civil liberties. There are at least four “Muslims for Ron Paul” Facebook pages, and a scan of Paul’s political donors shows many common Muslim names, like Mohammed, Ali and Ahmed.

    Paul’s position on civil liberties resonates with many younger Muslims, including Zahra Siddiqui, an 18-year-old political science major at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

    “These laws are obviously directed at policing Muslims,” Siddiqui said. “Ron Paul knows how to differentiate between Muslims and terrorists, and he would never sacrifice any citizen’s liberties over security.”

    Paul’s promise to get the U.S. out of Afghanistan and other foreign conflicts also appeals to Siddiqui, whose family is from Pakistan and who worries that U.S. drone strikes there could escalate into war. Like other Muslim Paul supporters, Siddiqui said the Texas congressman is the only candidate willing to get tough with Israel.

    “He has a deep understanding of how detrimental our foreign policy has been in Islamic countries,” Siddiqui said. “Ron Paul will stop the large amount of foreign aid given to Israel and will discontinue rushing to Israel’s defense when it engages in oppressing the Palestinians.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/muslims-say-ron-paul-is-their-kind-of-republican/2012/01/17/gIQA9oqH6P_story.html

  • Mrs. Smith

    CSPAN’s Washington Journal conducting vote on facebook for/against web blackout www DOT facebook.com/CSPAN
    _________

    Testing in advance for support of the movement? My three sites are protesting with the ribbon banner courtesy of WP.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Ron Paul Caught Lying About Osama Bin Laden Killing?

    Ulsterman

    During last night’s GOP presidential candidates debate, Congressman Ron Paul appeared to dispute the claim that he had previously been against the military operation that killed Osama Bin Laden. Evidence now suggests Congressman Paul either lied, or is confused over his previous statements.

    Watch both videos at the link and listen to the later video where he recants saying he did not say that-

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/01/18/ron-paul-caught-lying-about-osama-bin-laden-killing/

  • holdthemaccountable

    Mrs. Smith: Testing in advance for support of the movement?
    ————
    I thought that, so I voted. Have checked out the protest banner at your pumas site. Neat how it stays up in the corner! Neat that wordpress supported this. There are just so darned many things to protest these days…. Pathetic.

  • Mrs. Smith

    BC taking on MO’s failed Obesity campaign himself.
    On NBC Today with Nancy Snyderman. Barely a 15 sec clip.

    Mouths shut regarding Michelle’s lack lustre effort. Michelle’s inspirational Obesity slogan: “Eat your Vegetables!”

  • holdthemaccountable

    Mrs. Smith: BC taking on MO’s failed Obesity campaign himself.
    ——————–
    Last evening NBC? gave surprisingly long coverage. I am too lazy to verify (probably no transcript) but believe BC started this CGI fitness initiative in 2006. He and reporter were located at a school in NJ? near NYC? where the kids have been doing this stuff for years. In fact he stated to the reporter “If you bring your cameras back tomorrow, you will see them doing the same activities.” There is also a diet component stressing vegetables, fruits.

    If I were BillHill, I’d have been saying “Been there, done that” when MO made her big splash introduction to LetsMove. I even remember her dissing the Clintons for the food pyramid. MO said the plate would be so much more understandable.

    Perhaps MO can recast her letsmove website to the purpose of LetsMoveBackToChicago.

  • ABM90

    Nobody can match the great service that our Hillary is providing tne entire world to promote peace and prosperity.Here is todays schedule for Our national treasure “THE FIRST LADY OF THE WORLD”.EAT your miserable heart out Obama.

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    10:50 a.m. Secretary Clinton presents the 13th Annual Award for Corporate Excellence (ACE), at the Department of State.
    (OPEN PRESS)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 10:00 a.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 10:35 a.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.

    11:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Cultural Ambassador Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, at the Department of State. As a Cultural Ambassador, Abdul-Jabbar will lead conversations with young people on the importance of education, social and racial tolerance, cultural understanding, and using sports as a means of empowerment.
    (POOLED PRESS COVERAGE)

    12:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Ambassador to France Charles Rivkin, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    12:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton speaks with outgoing U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Matthew Bryza.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    1:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with King Abdullah II of Jordan, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEDING MEETING)
    Pre-set for video cameras, journalists and still photographers: 12:45 p.m. from 23rd Street Entrance Lobby.

    2:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Ambassador to China Gary Locke, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    4:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, at the White House.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)

  • Mrs. Smith

    holdthemaccountable
    January 18th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Mrs. Smith: BC taking on MO’s failed Obesity campaign himself.
    __________

    sorry, I missed last night’s interview. The clip I was referring to was early this morning..

    Have an apt this am with Telly’s vet. later- thax

  • jeswezey

    Mrs Smith – Viewing the two videos about Ron Paul and the OBL killing, I see no inconsistency. He was asked a loaded question in the debate and had to answer “I did not say that” because in fact he hadn’t. His original statement was very clear: A Ron Paul president would not have gone about it the same way, would have asked the Pakistanis to deliver OBL and then brought him back for trial in the US, the same way as if OBL had been holed up in London.

    So in fact he did not agree with the way OBL was killed, unarmed and not resisting arrest, in a foreign country whose sovereignty we violated because, because… because, we simply don’t trust the Pakistani government? No, the reason we did that was because we knew OBL could not be convicted of anything in a trial. He was not the one who organized 9/11 or even participated in it. We already have the organizer in custody and have not brought him to trial. There are reasons for that too, but what is important about OBL is that he was a symbol more than anything else, and we couldn’t pin anything on him in court.

    In light of which, I as a “P/11 truther” have to agree with Paul. If we had brought OBL to justice, the truth of 9/11 would have been brought to light but neither the Bush cronies nor the present administration wants that. It would be too painful to know that the intelligence agencies (including Mossad) were aware of and even participated (CIA) in the plot, and some people in NYC had advance warning too.

  • holdthemaccountable

    Mrs. S, what I said was of no great consequence. I found it unusual that BC got that much time … and mention of MO during it never happened although it must have been on everyone’s mind.

    Good luck, Telly!

  • Betty

    jeswezey
    January 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Mrs Smith – Viewing the two videos about Ron Paul and the OBL killing, I see no inconsistency. He was asked a loaded question in the debate and had to answer “I did not say that” because in fact he hadn’t. His original statement was very clear: A Ron Paul president would not have gone about it the same way, would have asked the Pakistanis to deliver OBL and then brought him back for trial in the US, the same way as if OBL had been holed up in London.
    ___________

    I agree, and I believe we need to be careful not to advance any smear campaign, by any body, against anybody ever.

  • JanH

    ot…

    A little chilly in my next of the woods this morning.

    -41C with the windchill.

  • nomobama

    Newt Gingrich: “Let me say first of all, I don’t want to argue with you about the analogy. I don’t want to bloody his nose, I want to knock him out.”

    Here, here! And that is one of the reasons he would be the better candidate against the usurper.

  • moononpluto

    Well i never….et tu Politico.

    Poll: Majority says Obama has accomplished ‘little’

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/01/poll-majority-says-obama-has-accomplished-little-111257.html

    Voters are deeply divided on President Obama’s accomplishments in office — with a majority reporting that the president has accomplished “not much” or “little or nothing.”

    A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that 52 percent of voters have a negative assessment of the president’s track record. The survey finds that 12 percent of voters believe he has accomplished a “great deal,” while 35 percent describe his accomplishments as a “good amount.”

    Among those who believe the president has not accomplished much, 56 percent blame Obama for that state of affairs, while 18 percent blame Republicans in Congress. And 19 percent blame both.

    Americans are also divided on the question of how Obama is handling his job, with a 48-48 approval/disapproval split in the survey.

    The poll is a stinging rebuke to an administration that private believes their domestic and foreign policy accomplishments are unmatched in recent history. President Obama himself raised eyebrows when he told CBS that he “would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln.”

  • nomobama

    Get tough with Israel? My word! That tiny sliver of land sure seems to be the troublemaker of the world, NOT! The trouble is Muslims will never accept that Islam is the major problem. Big, bad Israel should not exist, and then magically, the Muslim world will live happily ever after…. er wait a minute on that point. They will then find a new enemy to gin up the masses, like those poor Christians who have lived in the Muslim dominated areas since even before the Muslims and have taken their sh!t ever since. No, the problem is not Israel.

  • blue

    It grieves me to publicize material from the Hudson Institute and National Review, but occasionally they come up with some dead on material that is too good to pass up. Here is a long one but it is worth reading because it foretells what is surely to get a lot worse before it gets better. I hope Romney’s SuperPac is oiled up for this one…

    NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE          Obama’s Racial Politics
    By Victor Davis Hanson

    Never has America been more assimilated, integrated, and intermarried — as is evident in everything from politics to popular culture, from statistics to anecdotes. Yet from late 2007 to 2012, Barack Obama has been establishing new rules of racial referencing. In general, his utterances follow a disheartening pattern. When he is ahead in the polls, has won an election, and is not campaigning, then he emphasizes the unity of the country. But when he is running for president, or campaigning for others, or sinking in the polls, he and his closest associates predictably revert to charges of racial bigotry, albeit usually coded and subtle. America is redeemed when it champions the Obamas, but retrograde when it does not.
    Obama’s race-based strategy is predicated on some unspoken assumptions: Any short-term damage incurred by engaging in racial tribalism can easily be later erased by soaring teleprompted speeches on racial harmony; the media will either not widely report his emphases on race or generally support his charges; a person of color can hardly be culpable of racial polarization himself given the history of racial discrimination in this country.
    In a recent speech before a Latino audience, President Obama, in blasting congressional Republicans, recalled that he had run for office because “America should be a place where you can always make it if you try; a place where every child, no matter what they look like, where they come from, should have a chance to succeed.” The obvious conclusion from his increasingly frequent “look like” trope is that his critics predicate success in America on just the opposite criteria. That is, supposedly racist opponents do not wish every child to succeed, and so it certainly matters to them a great deal what Americans should “look like.”
    Recently, First Lady Michelle Obama complained about a description of her White House infighting in an otherwise favorable account of the first family, written by a New York Times reporter. She suggested that the book’s criticism was unfair because “That’s been an image that people have tried to paint of me since, you know, the day Barack announced, that I’m some angry black woman.”
    Oddly, the first lady did not cite anyone who, in fact, had tried to stereotype her as an “angry black woman.” To be sure, “people” have characterized her as “angry,” given her prominent role in the 2008 campaign, during which she repeatedly found herself in dramas of her own rhetorical making (saying Americans were “just downright mean”; never having been proud of America before the nomination of her husband; etc.). But no one suggested that her overt anger derived from being either “black” or a “woman.”
    Again, these invocations of race always raise logical antitheses: Do only those who do not find Mrs. Obama “angry” escape her charge of racism? Second, the race-obsessed Mrs. Obama forgets that outspoken first ladies, especially those like herself who have refined tastes and are political infighters, are always natural media targets. The press savaged Nancy Reagan on topics as diverse as her purchase of new White House china, her reliance on astrology, and her legendary infighting with chief of staff Don Regan. Fairly or not, Mrs. Reagan never quite shook the stereotype that she had roamed the West Wing as a sort of Lady Macbeth with aristocratic appetites — a theme of Mr. Regan’s memoirs. It is likely that Michelle Obama will not either.
    Attorney General Eric Holder has often found race a convenient refuge from criticism — most recently accusing his congressional auditors of racism, for their grilling him over government sales of firearms to Mexican cartel hitmen. Again, there is an obvious inference: To the degree that you do not criticize Eric Holder you are not racist; to the degree that you do, you may well be. Holder, remember, earlier called his fellow countrymen “cowards” for not sharing his own particular take on racial relations, as if all of a craven America had now become Barack Obama’s clueless Pennsylvania clingers. In exchanges over his office’s dismissal of voter-intimidation charges against New Black Panther Party members, Holder described African-Americans as “my people.” Again, note the natural corollary once we descend into these racial quagmires: If Holder can talk of his “people,” are those who do not share his racial heritage not then quite the attorney general’s “people”?
    Our new racial profiling ripples out from the top. When Rick Perry referred to “a big black cloud that hangs over America — that debt that is so monstrous,” he was accused of racism; the second half of the quote was conveniently omitted. Chris Matthews referred to Perry’s support of federalism with the quip, “This is going to be Bull Connor with a smile.” Lee Siegel just wrote in the New York Times that “Mitt Romney is the whitest white man to run for president in recent memory.” Think for a minute of prominent public figures who at one time or another have been accused by the Obama team of either being racist or playing racial politics against them: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Darrell Issa, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. The list grows in direct proportion to the uncertainty of Obama’s political fortunes.
    President Obama and his supporters insist that they deemphasize matters of race, but their record in just the last four years reveals a veritable obsession with it, in a manner that was never true of prior minority members serving in high office — think of Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, or Alberto Gonzales. We are not that far away from Obama’s appearance on the national scene as a serious presidential candidate in early 2008. Yet he has already reformulated racial discourse in America, most famously blasting Pennsylvania whites who “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them,” and introducing “typical white person” into the national lexicon and the racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright into the national consciousness. The mythography of the 2008 campaign was that Barack Obama overcame the burdens of racism; the reality was that racial intemperance during that long year came principally from Barack Obama himself or his personal pastor — and, in our disturbed culture, even to acknowledge that fact earns the charge of “Racist!”
    Obama has mainstreamed the practice of profiling friends and enemies on this reactionary basis of racial identity. In a Democratic National Committee video in April 2010, Obama called on “young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women . . . to stand together once again.” Are those not included in his categories, then, not to stand “together” again? Shortly before the November 2010 congressional elections, Obama suggested told a huge audience in Philadelphia that Republicans “are counting on black folks staying home.” In one of his most surreal speeches before the Congressional Black Caucus, Obama in affected fashion adopted the supposed patois of Black America in defining collective interests by shared race: “Stop grumblin’. Stop cryin’. We are going to press on. We’ve got work to do.” Separately, he appealed to Latino voters not to stay home from the 2010 election, but instead to “punish our enemies” — and not to fall prey to the Republicans’ “cynical attempt to discourage Latinos from voting.” I don’t think a president of the United States has ever, at least since the pre–Civil War era, openly called on a racial group to join with him to punish political adversaries.
    Obama stereotyped the Cambridge police department as having “acted stupidly” for detaining his friend Henry Louis Gates, an African-American Studies professor at Harvard. He allegedly complained to political supporters that racial bias explains much of the Tea Party’s opposition to his administration. The wonder is not only that the president of the United States constantly refers to race, but that his serial obsession now earns snores rather than surprise.
    Indeed, President Obama’s example has radically brought the politics of race into almost every conceivable forum. Members of the Black Caucus now routinely either allege outright racism or exhibit racist attitudes themselves if opposition arises to the Obama agenda. That is a serious charge, but it is one supported by numerous examples. For Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D., Mo.), white presidents must be “pushed a great deal more” to address black unemployment than would a black president. For Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D., Tex.), argument over the debt ceiling is proof of racial animosity toward Barack Obama; for Rep. Barbara Lee (D., Calif.), Republicans are trying to deny blacks the vote; for Rep. André Carson (D., Ind.), the Tea Party wishes to lynch blacks and hang them from trees; for Rep. Charles Rangel (D., N.Y.), Rick Perry’s job creation in Texas is “one stage away from slavery,” and on and on and on. Icons of popular culture — whether a Morgan Freeman (“It’s a racist thing”) or a Whoopi Goldberg (“I’m playing the damn [race] card”) — routinely accuse Americans of racism for their growing unhappiness over the record of the Obama administration.
    What can we expect in 2012? Race all the time at every venue. In 2008, there were two general themes to the blank-slate candidacy of Barack Obama: (1) America could change history by electing its first African-American president, and (2) a vote for Barack Obama was a repudiation of the then-unpopular George Bush. But four years later there is now an Obama record of dismal economic growth, huge deficits, astronomical new national debt, high unemployment, fresh class and racial divisions, and a failed reset/outreach foreign policy that had promised breakthroughs with Iran, the Palestinians, Russia, Syria, and Venezuela, based on redefining traditional notions of friends and enemies.
    Who would wish to run on a record like that?
    But the alternative? In 2012, unlike 2008, there is less novelty in Barack Obama as our first black president. And George Bush is now four years into the past. For Obama, then, we are left with a demonized “them.”
    Sometimes “they” are the suspect “1 percent” who enjoy their privileges through ill-gotten gains. Sometimes they are reactionary enemies of big government. And sometimes they are veritable racists — the sorts who stereotype minorities, who are cowards, who turn away voters from the polls, who do not like Americans who look different from them, who object to record debt largely as a way to disguise their own racial bias — and who surely need to be punished.
    This is going to be an ugly campaign. The Obama team will revert to race unceasingly, in cry-wolf fashion, and thus cheapen the currency with every charge. In turn, the more we will hear allegations of “racism,” the less people will pay attention to them. And so all the more frequently will such discounted slurs have to be repeated — sort of like pushing about wheelbarrows of Depression-era inflated German marks to purchase ever fewer commodities.
    There will be many legacies of Barack Obama. Racial divisiveness is proving the most disturbing.
    — NRO contributor Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author most recently of the just-released The End of Sparta, a novel about ancient freedom.

  • Mrs. Smith

    A Ron Paul president would not have gone about it the same way, would have asked the Pakistanis to deliver OBL and then brought him back for trial in the US, the same way as if OBL had been holed up in London.
    ___________

    jeswezey:

    The second video is from the debate- the question asked is almost identical to the question asked in the radio interview- I clearly hear Ron Paul changing his answer saying he disagreed.

    It might have been helpful to reverse the order of the posted videos where it would have been easier to understand.

    The final line in the question in the debate mirrored almost word for word what Paul had said in defense of his original answer- “He would have used the Rule of Law” i.e.and International Court to have the PA’s turn OBL over to authorities..

    The problem with your answer Jeswezy is, Hillary has more than once called on the PA’s to do just that- Capture and turn over the terrorists who are seeking haven in Pakistan to be prosecuted.

    It never happened and will never happen because they condone terrorism especially when it comes to the US and Israel.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Paul is loco- he hasn’t a clue how to handle Foreign Policy. He prefers ignoring foreign policy problems than dealing with them. Bush ignored the ME and never dealt with FP. He walled off any discussion for 8 yrs. Paul would follow the same pattern rather than getting his feet wet and at least trying to advance better relations with the ME.

    Basically, Paul has no plan for returning the US to Superpower status. He would be content to allow the dominance of Russia and China to overpower our importance on the world stage leaving the US as a bit player subject to the passions and whims of both countries.

    Paul’s specialty is the Fed- Audit the Fed is his war cry. The problem is, we cannot ignore Foreign Policy. It as to be dealt with on a daily basis- because we have no choice but dealing with foreign countries because they hold the labor force, manufactured products and most of all our dependance on oil. Unfortunately, the ME is the stronghold of the oil we import and until that dynamic changes.

    The funny thing is- the Arabs are already into contingency plans for when the ME is not longer the center of oil production. Essentially, when the ME runs out of oil and runs dry- what then?

    They are implementing Green strategies to be in front of the Curve when that day comes- and have been for several years now-

  • Shadowfax

    Ooooweee, I see my thoughts of SanoSantorum and Ron Paul are very different than some of the posters here…but since they are all glue horses to me, I will not get into it defending any of them. I will just vote for who I want and other’s opinions don’t matter to me except when it comes to the Clinton’s.

  • Mrs. Smith

    holdthemaccountable
    January 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Mrs. S, what I said was of no great consequence. I found it unusual that BC got that much time … and mention of MO during it never happened although it must have been on everyone’s mind.

    Good luck, Telly!
    ________________

    When Telly saw those shots coming, he tried hiding his neck…maybe he could have if he didn’t weigh 113 lbs. His little sister Woo weighs 15 lbs and she bosses him around like the little queen that she is…

    The treadmill doesn’t seem to be doing much 3X a week at a brisk walk- and playing retrieve the ball almost every day.. phat camp?

  • jeswezey

    Mrs Smith: Neither Hillary nor anyone else asked the Pakistanis to turn over OBL once we knew (80% sure) where he was. Paul said that, as President, he would have done so.

    I’m agreeing with him on that, but my main point is to explain why we didn’t do it that way. Neither Bush nor any president wants to let out the truth about 9/11, which would have come out if we brought OBL to the US for questioning and trial. Remember, even if we didn’t trust the Pakistanis to turn him over, the SEALs could have gone in, caught him, and brought him back alive: he was unarmed and did not resist. But the SEALs didn’t have “dead or alive” orders. All they had was “dead”. So they went in, killed him, brought out his body and fed him to the fish. That obliterated his testimony and greatly diminished his symbolic value too.

    The important thing was to obliterate the testimony. We have the organizer of 9/11 (Sheikh Mohammed something or other, I don’t remember) and have never tried him because he knows too much. OBL would have confirmed the Sheikh’s testimony. Not only would OBL have gone free, but many crucial players would be revealed, and there were actually only a few Al Qaeda involved. The Mossad knew, but more importantly the CIA and DIA were directly involved in the organization. Plus, there were contractors, fire personnel a probably Giuliani forewarned. All of that would have come out and been confirmed if OBL were brought in for questioning. If you don’t think the CIA would ever risk the lives of Americans or actively plot the killing of Americans (JFK), you have another thing coming.

    Now, the fact that we have the organizer of 9/11 in custody is not widely known. Few people know his name, nobody has talked about it so no one is calling for a trial. But if we caught OBL and brought him to the US, there would be a public outcry for military or civil trial to put him away or execute him. Imagine the embarrassment when he actually talked about 9/11, implicated so many great US political institutions, confirmed by the Sheikh, and escaped conviction! This is simply, politically, impossible to accept.

    So he had to be killed, and we did not want to count on the Pakistanis to do that. The grandstand spectacle was not only the best but the only way to go.

  • moononpluto

    Politico reports the Obama administration will reject Keystone XL Pipeline project today at 3pm.

  • Mrs. Smith

    Shadowfax
    January 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I have said little in the way of criticism about Ron Paul but the little guy frightens me- He seems to employ old school thinking. We can’t ignore the problems in the ME and just go away hoping they get better all by themselves. Bush involved us in a radical way and we are left with the mess he created going to war in Iraq in the first place-

    If it wasn’t for Hillary standing in the breech, God knows where we would be today. Her influence has kept us out of the line of fire. I shudder to think what the world will be like when she retires.

  • Mrs. Smith

    I can only give a few minutes to respond.. I have another apt and will be leaving shortly- so I will deal exclusively with your first graph-
    _____________________

    jeswezey
    January 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Mrs Smith: Neither Hillary nor anyone else asked the Pakistanis to turn over OBL once we knew (80% sure) where he was. Paul said that, as President, he would have done so.
    _________

    I think you can look it up- She asked PA to capture and turn over terrorists. I do not recall her mentioning OBL by name but in general she asked them to stop providing safe harbor for criminal terrorists… of that I am sure.

    I will be back later on- thanks…

  • jeswezey

    Mrs Smith: “Paul is loco- he hasn’t a clue how to handle Foreign Policy. He prefers ignoring foreign policy… has no plan for returning the US to Superpower status.”
    ========

    I first listened to Paul in 2007. I had two acquaintances who were bonkers over him, and they made comparisons with Hillary because she was their second choice.

    I asked these friends if Paul was an isolationist because he sure sounded like one. They assured me he was not, that he had a laid-back vision of the world and simply did not want to go throwing the military around to bully the rest of the world into following our “leadership”, the way Bush did. He feels that the US should lead by example and by partnering, which is actually what Hillary (and Bill) think and do, thus their second choice of Hillary (who has too hawkish a reputation for their tastes).

    Your desire for a “plan for returning the US to Superpower status” is a little scary in this context. What kind of plan would you suggest, if you were President?

  • Shadowfax

    Mrs S – we will have to disagree on Rethug candidates, like I said, I don’t like any enough to defend them but I don’t feel the same way you do about many of them.

  • Shadowfax

    holdthemaccountable
    January 18th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    http://pumapac.org/2012/01/18/occupy-the-internet/

    ———-
    GREAT Job at the PAC!

    I was happy to sign the protest that’s mailed to Congress.

  • jeswezey

    Mrs Smith: “…she asked them to stop providing safe harbor for criminal terrorists… of that I am sure.”
    =====

    Yes, you can be sure of that and you don’t have to look it up for me. She asked the Pakis several times to hand over “terrorists” and even excoriated them for harboring “terrorists”.

    But specifically OBL, no.

    No one asked or even thought of asking the Pakistanis to hand over OBL because we didn’t want OBL alive and certainly could not have asked the Paks to assassinate him, which is what we wanted. We Did Not Want Him Alive, Period. Killing him ourselves brought glory to our SEALs and let us point the finger at the Pakistanis, strongly implying that the Pakistanis had been protecting him, which was not necessarily the case: After all, it took us how many years to find OBL? and on the day of the killing we were still only 80% sure he was in the compound after all those years of searching? And do you think OBL would have openly applied to the Pakistanis for asylum? OBL was not so stupid. His whereabouts were a secret to everyone except, perhaps, one or two trusted messengers and those who lived in the compound with him (wives, children).

  • Shadowfax

    jeswezey

    I agree with your ‘friends’ to a certain degree on Paul, the more I listen to his reasoning, the more I like him. I never liked being the police of the planet nor ‘spreading democracy around the world’. We need to take care of our country, people and defend it first…not destroy the working class to take over other countries and bomb the crap out of them just so we can pay with our taxes to build it back up and forget all the innocent people on both sides that have died for this restructuring.

    I have mixed feelings on Israel and where it lies smack in the middle of this mess…I don’t want Israel bombed by anyone, nor other countries bombed for it. Too much hatred in that area and it isn’t up to American tax dollars to try and put them all in place to make nice. Other than trying to encourage a peace agreement…which I fear will never last…it just ain’t gonna happen.

    The middle east is a mess and all the money and bombs isn’t going to make those folks join hands and dance around the May Pole. Do I want Iran to have a nuke? Nope. But I don’t want any country to have a nuke either, not even America. Mass destruction without the eye to eye contact of your enemy is just to easy to kill mass amounts of people without regret. Sure, I am a dreamer…but at least I don’t go along with the madness and try to defend it.

  • Shadowfax

    The Big Dawg barks at the Rethugs…

    Clinton Says Gingrich ‘Just Like Romney’

    Bill Clinton, the original “comeback kid” doesn’t see much hope for a resurgence by Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, dissing him in a new interview as a Romney clone because of issues the former speaker has flip-flopped on.

    Clinton, who is on the cover of the upcoming issue of Esquire, puts down the speaker who has bragged on the campaign trail of how he worked with Clinton to reform welfare and balance the budget.

    Clinton doesn’t giving any love back. In an excerpt provided to Whispers, the former president says, “As a private citizen he was for certain important health-care reforms and believed in climate change and believed there had to be a strong reaction to it. And now he’s just like Romney. Neither one of them can say what they believe to be true and get nominated. Romney’s still trying to figure out what he did as governor of Massachusetts and still appeal to this driving vituperative energy.”

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/01/18/clinton-says-gingrich-just-like-romney

  • jbstonesfan

    Sad to see Bill attacking the GOP candidates while Obama permanently marred his reputation in the AA community and used every race baiting tactic to beat Hillary in the primary.

  • Shadowfax

    jbstonesfan
    January 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Sad to see Bill attacking the GOP candidates while Obama permanently marred his reputation in the AA community and used every race baiting tactic to beat Hillary in the primary.
    ——–
    It bothers me to have Bill defend either side, but I am glad he doesn’t let Newt take the credit for Bill’s Presidency.

  • jeswezey

    “Romney’s still trying to figure out what he did as governor of Massachusetts…” LOL! A perfect take on Romney!

  • turndownobama

    No one asked or even thought of asking the Pakistanis to hand over OBL because we didn’t want OBL alive and certainly could not have asked the Paks to assassinate him, which is what we wanted. We Did Not Want Him Alive, Period. Killing him ourselves brought glory to our SEALs and let us point the finger at the Pakistanis, strongly implying that the Pakistanis had been protecting him, which was not necessarily the case:

    ======================

    Agree, alive he would have been an embarrassment. But as to the Pakistanis not knowing he was there … as someone (in Intelligence iirc) had said, he was 6’6″ and on dialysis, sort of hard to hide.

  • jeswezey

    Shadowfax:
    “I have mixed feelings on Israel and where it lies smack in the middle of this mess…. it isn’t up to American tax dollars to try and put them all in place to make nice. Other than trying to encourage a peace agreement…which I fear will never last…it just ain’t gonna happen. The middle east is a mess and all the money and bombs isn’t going to make those folks join hands and dance around the May Pole.”
    ===============

    My sentiments exactly. And I’m pretty sure Ron Paul would agree too.

    ***

    “Mass destruction without the eye to eye contact of your enemy is just to easy to kill mass amounts of people without regret.”
    ==========

    Do you know this has been a subject of debate in military academies since World War 1 when the airplane, tank and long-range artillery were first used? This is a point to which many an infantry captain is sensitive: charging the enemy with bayonets is war, but dropping bombs from an airplane at 10,000 feet is random destruction akin to terrorism. The cities bombed out in Germany in World War II were meant to terrorize the population into overthrowing Hitler, and the Nazis rightly called them terrorist acts. The atomic bombs dropped on Japan did not do much military damage to the Japanese, but were a display of force meant to terrorize the leadership. They were pure acts of terrorism.

  • turndownobama

    Politico reports the Obama administration will reject Keystone XL Pipeline project today at 3pm.

    ====================

    Announce rejection. Then after the election, approve it.

  • turndownobama

    The funny thing is- the Arabs are already into contingency plans for when the ME is not longer the center of oil production. Essentially, when the ME runs out of oil and runs dry- what then?

    They are implementing Green strategies to be in front of the Curve when that day comes- and have been for several years now-

    ===================

    What? More details, please!

  • jeswezey

    tdo: “…he was 6′6″ and on dialysis, sort of hard to hide.”
    ======

    If you think about it, you know that it’s not so hard to hide. The compound was equipped for him, he moved in and stayed there for years while we were looking for him. I think the story was that he moved into the compound in 2005 or 2006, i.e. 3 or 4 years after the invasion of Afghanistan. In Tora Bora, out in the country, in a tent or something, a 6’6″ man on dialysis should be easy to find and yet he escaped. Once in the compound, no problem. It’s even possible that some people living in the compound didn’t know he was there.

    Also consider that our CIA assets in Pakistan are all Pakistani.

  • turndownobama

    Paul had said in defense of his original answer- “He would have used the Rule of Law” i.e.and International Court to have the PA’s turn OBL over to authorities..

    =======================

    To authorities at The Hague, or some other international body, rather than the US? That might have been a good solution. It’s as a prisoner of the US that OBL would have been an embarrassment, a hot potato.

    Still his followers might have rioted and taken hostages to demand his release.

  • holdthemaccountable

    John Ziegler is hyping this post big time; I used to frequent AT and believe some here do now. I’m going over now.

    Ziegler “I have written a rather lengthy and provocative essay for the American Thinker called “The Six Dirty Secrets of Presidential Politics in 2012,” which I think you will find to be very interesting. In some ways, it might be the best political column I have ever written, which is why I am sending the link to our entire mailing list.”
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/the_six_dirty_secrets_of_presidential_politics_in_2012.html

  • jeswezey

    “the Arabs are already into contingency plans for when the ME is not longer the center of oil production. Essentially, when the ME runs out of oil and runs dry. They are implementing Green strategies to be in front of the Curve when that day comes- and have been for several years now”
    ====

    I can only confirm this, without links or details, from memory of Arab businesses I have dealt with over the past 2 years. One project that Siemens is nursing into reality with north African countries (Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia) is called “Desertec”, which is a solar thermal (not photovoltaic) electricity project that would produce enough power from the Sahara to supply not only the countries to the north and south of the Sahara but also to Europe, by a long-distance dc line running up through Sicily, Italian peninsula and on into Germany and eastern Europe. As the years go on and technology improves, the projected industrial cost of the project is decreasing and soon the political will will be there. You can look up Desertec on the web.

    Also, there are offshore wind farms and solar farms planned all around the countries on the Saudi peninsula.

    Siemens stands to profit greatly from these projects, but there is always the demand for local consortiums to build parts or all of the projects, the same way it works in China.

  • turndownobama

    You know going in- if the House and Senate are rushing these Bills through it has to benefit Obama- When did Obama ever do anything for Business and Free Speech? There has to be language in the Bills that would stifle criticism of the president and democrats and strengthen the grip on power coming from the White House.

    ====================

    Just the obvious content of the bills would benefit Obama (and other tools of Wall St). It gives Wall Street and Big Media power to shut down sites on flimsy charges. One version said that if a user posts copyrighted material (like the excerpts from news stories that we often post here), the site can be blocked or shut down. Of course they can focus on sites critical of Obama — such as H44

  • turndownobama

    memory of Arab businesses I have dealt with over the past 2 years. One project that Siemens is nursing into reality with north African countries (Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia) is called “Desertec”, which is a solar thermal (not photovoltaic) electricity project that would produce enough power from the Sahara to supply not only the countries to the north and south of the Sahara but also to Europe, by a long-distance dc line running up through Sicily, Italian peninsula and on into Germany and eastern Europe. As the years go on and technology improves, the projected industrial cost of the project is decreasing and soon the political will will be there. You can look up Desertec on the web.

    Also, there are offshore wind farms and solar farms planned all around the countries on the Saudi peninsula.

    ===============

    But … but everyone knows that solar and wind power doesn’t work, it’s a scam! /sarcasm

    Seriously, do the Arabs expect to run out of oil soon?

  • holdthemaccountable

    Ziegler’s AT post depressing.

  • turndownobama

    The compound was equipped for him, he moved in and stayed there for years while we were looking for him.

    ======================

    Why did they choose a location so close to Pakistan’s “West Point”?

  • Shadowfax

    jeswezey

    They were pure acts of terrorism.

    —-
    I agree, and tossing scuds and drone attacks are a way to kill without getting your hands dirty. And what about the economy built around military contacts and contractors? What about bombing the Hell out of Iran, where the civilians had no water, no food, etc and the big bucks to pay contractors to rebuild schools, infrastructure we bombed in the first place…all paid on the backs of the American workers.

    Why the heck don’t we have an election to see if voters want to get into a freakin’ war in the first place. Take it out of the hands of congress and the current President, who wants to know we started a war by seeing the news on teevee…not me.

  • Shadowfax

    Oooooooops, Freudian slip…

    What about bombing the Hell out of Iran

    Should have typed IRAQ

  • jeswezey

    tdo: “Why did they choose a location so close to Pakistan’s “West Point”?”
    =======

    A valid question to which I have no answer, maybe it was something like why does an extortionist choose to be a policeman, or maybe you’re safer with your head in the lion’s mouth, or maybe he thought it would be the last place we’d look. Anyway, if the Pakistani military chose and built the site for him, they would not have placed it so close to home base.

    I’d like to clarify what I said about our intelligence assets all being Pakistani. CIA agents work out of Langley or local embassies, and occasionally out of local businesses under cover as businessmen or technical specialists. Aside from wire tapping, however, they don’t do the grunt humint themselves. For example, you can imagine how effective it would be for a beefy redheaded American with an accent traipsing around the Pakistani countryside asking pointed questions about OBL. I mean, they just don’t do it that way. They buy “assets”. An asset is like a local contractor who works part-time for the CIA, sometimes without even knowing it (i.e. the agent who recruits him may pose as a businessman, etc.).

    All of the people who worked for “us” to find OBL were Pakistani or Afghan. Those surrounding OBL thus had no direct fear of Americans whether CIA or not, but were “rightfully” suspicious of all their Pakistani and Afghan contacts. The significance of this is that, even if some Pakis wanted to protect OBL, there were enough Pakis on our side to get through eventually. So the reward, actually, should not go to the SEALs or to the CIA of Langley, but to a handful of Pakistani spies who did all the dirty work.

  • turndownobama

    Re SOPA/PIPA, I dunno whether this is correct and/or current, but it’s a clear description of what the fuss is about. In theory, the NYT could use a quote posted at H44 to take down the whole network of PUMA blogs.

    http://genrereviews.livejournal.com/372571.html
    The terms are vague and easy to abuse, endangering most websites. Website A puts up a piece of fanart, which someone decides is unlawful and should be taken down. Instead of merely contacting the website owners to have it removed, however, SOPA and PIPA would just shut down the entire website. Not only that, but if Website B had a link to Website A, whether the link involved that piece of fanart or not, Website B could also be shut down for supporting and associating with unlawful fanart.

  • jeswezey

    tdo – Sounds really bad, but what is “fanart” ?

  • Shadowfax

    The SOPA and PIPA internet contraceptive bills are supported by movie and music industries to prevent folks from getting free access to their ‘property’, but once this is passed, who knows what other castrations might happen because of this law.

    Yes, it might be possible to shut down multiple sites with a filter, like blogs that call Barry a Boob or seem disrespectful. We don’t need Big Brother messing with the freedom on the internet.

    Mits off the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • turndownobama

    Fanart is art drawn by a fan. Like if a child draws a picture of a copyrighted character, such as Mickey Mouse, and posts it on her website.

  • turndownobama

    Probably a feint. Pretend to back off, then when we all declare victory, they’ll come back with the same stuff under a different name. Better we keep up the pressure all day at least.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/19/technology/web-protests-piracy-bill-and-2-key-senators-change-course.html

  • Shadowfax

    CNN SOURCE: ‘WE HAVE REPUBLICAN DEBATE OF YEAR TOMORROW NIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM JUST GO AT IT’… DEVELOPING…

    (Posted on Drudge)

    The O’Dims would like nothing better than for these Rethugs to duel it out on teevee and give Obama more ammunition for the general election.

    The idea is to let them hang out all their dirty laundry and Barry uses their soundbites for his own ads.

  • BASIL99

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/01/18/white-house-insider-you-dont-ever-wanna-do-the-things-ive-done/
    Excerpts from new WHI

    Insider: (smiles) Yeah…my friend. Maybe a friendly acquaintance…he was everybody’s friend though. Even our Republican counterparts liked the guy. Respected him. We didn’t see each other all that much…but there were emails. A phone call here and there. He was a primary contact for the campaign out there…California, had some good people working with us in Nevada. Dealing with the union f-cks out there. J-sus did they screw Hillary on that. I’ve seen some dirty sh-t go down…but that was…they stole it. Bribed it. And she has to know. Has to know…
    ******************************************************************************
    UM: And he didn’t think of the convention as a success? Is that right?
    Insider: No, that’s not right. Everyone knew the convention was a success. Can’t deny that…what a show, right?
    …it’s what he saw behind the…behind the scenes.

    UM: Explain what your friend saw – “behind the scenes” as you put it.

    Insider: Oh…what he saw – what he saw…yes indeed. What he saw was sh-t that didn’t feel right. What he saw was…was a guy who came in draggin’ and a guy who left bouncin’ off the f-cking walls. What he saw…what he heard was a godd-mn…dammit…I’m forgettin’ how he told it. The term he used…

    UM: How about you go back to the coming in dragging part…explain that a bit more.

    Insider: Not much to explain…Obama comes in…he’s been there already right. Several practice runs…fired up the teleprompter, going over the stage marks…all the typical sh-t. When he’s out practicing…the family is all there, right? But when he’s in the back area…no family. They are…they are in different areas. My friend – he thought that was a bit odd.

    UM: The president – Barack Obama…he appeared fine during the rehearsals?

    Insider: Sure-sure…he wasn’t close to Obama at that point – but he could see him from a distance…could hear him. He sounded…looked like the candidate on television. The interviews. Smooth. Confident. Charismatic.

    UM: But then?

    Insider: But…then…later in the back area. Like a meet n greet area…and an adjoining room. Private. Closed off. So my friend is back there…some others too – they are hoping to catch the candidate coming in. You know…everybody wants to shake his hand. All that sh-t.

    UM: And Obama comes in.

    Insider: Yeah – like I said…draggin’. He’s…he looks wiped. Wiped out. His color is all off. His eyes…he barely…my friend says…my friend SAID…he looked right through them. Like his eyes couldn’t focus enough to see them…and a big fella…Black guy…he was…it looked like he was holding Obama up. Making their way to the-the room…the private area.

    UM: Did everyone notice Obama’s condition?

    Insider: I don’t know – my friend didn’t say anything about that…but he sure as hell noticed. He thought maybe Obama had gotten sick…it’s not uncommon on the campaign trail. You eat some sh-t food sometimes.
    …so Obama is holed up in this room. People are kinda mingling about I guess…maybe ten, fifteen minutes go by. Then a couple folks march on in – that’s how he put it to me…they marched on in…very purposeful. One looked like Secret Service…the other was a woman. Didn’t get too specific. Wish he would have but he didn’t. The woman goes in – the other fella…he stays outside the door. She’s in there for maybe another five minutes…she comes back out and tells ‘em to clear the hall. Clear out. Says they need about ten minutes to prepare.

    UM: Prepare?

    Insider: That’s what he told me – she said they needed a little time to prepare.
    ***************************************************************
    UM: That’s not it…tell about when he sees Obama come out of the room again.

    Insider: Yeah…it’s maybe 20 or 30 minutes later…he makes his way back into the hall…there’s already a bunch of people there. Somehow the message went out to come back in…I don’t know. So they’re all mingling…the mood is great. Nothing being said about Obama being sick, or acting strange…nothing.
    UM: But your friend is still wondering…concerned?

    Insider: Oh yeah…that seems natural, right? The guy who is gonna accept the nomination on national television…the guy who is probably gonna be the next President of the United States…he is carried into a room not more than an hour ago? Hell yes you would think he would be wondering what the f-ck is up with that.
    *****************************************************
    UM: So Obama comes back out – he leaves that room.

    Insider: Michelle Obama comes out first.

    …Obama’s wife comes out, there’s another woman carrying a bag thing. That would be makeup. Pretty sure of that. She was always…the amount of cover that Obama wears…I told you about that before right? Cakes that sh-t on. 24/7. It’s why his color seems to change so much…different brand, or product…something like that.
    Another five minutes or so and out comes Obama and a few others – the big fella from earlier, the woman who went in after them, and now there appears to be a couple of Secret Service alongside them.

    UM: Was that woman Jarrett?

    Insider: Told you – don’t know. He…my friend – he didn’t say…
    …so out of that room they come. Everybody is excited…including Barack Obama. It’s like…it’s like one man went into that room and another one came out. An entirely different man walked out of that room than went in. That is how…that’s how he told it to me. A different man walked out. The change…that…the transformation was stunning. He seemed taller. His eyes were…there was an energy to him. Powerful. He was smiling and joking, shaking hands, talking real fast…the suit – the one you see on television…every detail was perfect. Everybody was rushing to shake his hand, tell them they loved him…but my friend…he was shaken up. It was too damn weird, right? What the hell happened in that room? How could one man walk in and another man walk out? We’re talking two extremes here…Obama was just about carried into that room…and he comes out…he’s bouncing off the f-cking walls.

  • BASIL99

    Why are they calling HRC for this????

    House Republicans have called Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify as early as next week on the Obama administration’s decision to reject the Keystone XL pipeline.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71624.html#ixzz1jqqIkZDF

  • moononpluto

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71624.html

    Keystone XL pipeline: GOP wants Hillary Clinton to testify

    House Republicans have called Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to testify as early as next week on the Obama administration’s decision to reject the Keystone XL pipeline.

    Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton formally sent a request to Clinton to come and testify at a hearing as early as next Wednesday, the day after President Barack Obama gives his State of the Union address before a joint session of Congress.
    Continue Reading

    Upton is required to give members of his panel a week’s notice before a hearing occurs. “So as much as I’d like to do it tomorrow, or Friday or Monday, we can’t ask her before Wednesday,” he told reporters Wednesday.

    Upton added he had not heard back from the State Department but “we expect to hear back very shortly.” He said Clinton is the only witnesses he has asked for so far.

    In the meantime, Republicans continue to weigh their legislative options.

    “All options are on the table,” House Speaker John Boehner told reporters. “This fight is not going to go away, you can count on it.”

    That includes Republicans trying to include language in the next extension of the payroll tax holiday that will need to occur by the end of February.

    “There are legislative vehicles that will be moving in the weeks and months ahead,” Boehner said. “And Republicans on Capitol Hill will be doing everything we can to make this decision a positive decision for this country.”

    A bill from Rep. Lee Terry (R-Neb.) to give FERC control over the pipeline’s fate instead of the White House and State Department is “first in line,” Upton said. “Terry has a very good bill,” he said. “But again all options are on the table.”

    Sen. John Hoeven (R-N.D.) has a draft bill to allow Congress to approve the pipeline, giving Nebraska officials time to find an alternative route.

  • moononpluto

    easy they gave him speed or coke, thats what had him bouncing.

  • moononpluto

    so basically, this ulsterman blog is insinuating, a political dem operative was murdered for what he saw in Denver. There is a lot of dead bodies surrounding this President.

  • moononpluto

    i love it….

    Gingrichs security codename is “T-Rex”

  • Shadowfax

    This part on the Insider is a puzzle…still trying to figure out who ‘died’, who the female, powerful Senator was in 2008…

    Was Barry given drugs or is there a double??? HOLY SHIT!

    —–
    [snip]

    How about the involvement of one of the most powerful members of the United States Senate? That enough to perk you up? That enough…f-cking specifics for you?

    We got the death of a longtimer…an operative. Good solid party guy. Fifty somethin’ years old. Natural causes. No investigation. He sees something about the current United States president…says it…shares it with some others, including this Senator. They are tight. Go way back a ways. She’s got power. If she has…if she gets some kind of information… that makes her a threat. It makes him a threat. There’s a business partner…he…well wouldn’t you know it…he has a serious legal threat brought down on him around the same time! Imagine that? Bet he was told something too, right? No accident there. Warnings is what was going on there. Back the f-ck off – and it was comin’ right from the White House boys. Or worse yet…back to f-cking Chicago. The unions. That vote that pissed ‘em off so much. And then they killed him. And now they are taking on the Senator herself. Right on it. Theft? And the fu–ing thief is…I sh-t you not…she headed up an Obama group. That’s either ballsy or stupid…or both…or just fu–ing insane. The Senator…she knew something. That vote…how she bypassed Obama on the Bin Laden announcement. That wasn’t his call and she knew it. She knew it. Her words that night. “No one knows when. No one knows how. No one knows why.” She was warning them to back off…the White House. Back the f-ck off. The public face…all smiles and nods. That’s how it’s always done…but there’s what’s said off to the side, if you know what to hear…you catch it. It’s there. You just gotta wait for it. You just—

  • jeswezey

    “this ulsterman blog is insinuating, a political dem operative was murdered for what he saw in Denver”
    ====

    Yes, that’s the gist of it. More precisely, he was murdered because he yapped about it, including to a powerful female Senator (Feinstein? Boxer?) and to some businessman who received legal threats. The Insider is drunk and I don’t understand who is saying “Back off” to whom, but the Senator called Obama’s bluff on the OBL killing, “We don’t know where, don’t know when, don’t know how.” Who could the Senator be?

    Also, I think you’re right about the speed or coke pick-me-up. That would explain the 40-minute changeover. The Gregorian chant is weird.

  • Shadowfax

    Could this be the political operative and senator Insider is talking about?

    Looking at the comments and then googling, I found this name linked with Feinstein.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, related the news to mourners at a memorial service for political consultant Kam Kuwata. Feinstein said Obama was announcing it on TV as she spoke. However, she announced the news well before Obama began to speak.

  • moononpluto

    Well the guy who supposedly died was Californian, so my money is on Boxer or Feinstein. Could only be them or Mukulski or Murray. They are the 4 longest running female Dem senators.

  • Shadowfax

    Sure sounds like it’s him from this…, he’s the right age, connected to a powerful woman Senator, who has the goods on Barry.

    ——-

    Kam Kuwata dies at 57; leading California Democratic political strategist
    Kuwata, who worked for Sens. Alan Cranston and Dianne Feinstein, was found dead Monday at his Venice home. His death brought an outpouring of remembrance from strategists of both major parties.

    Kam Kuwata, at the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver. He helped then-Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign team manage the convention.

    Kam Kuwata, at the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver. He helped…
    April 12, 2011|By Mark Z. Barabak, Los Angeles Times

    Kam Kuwata, one of California’s leading Democratic political strategists and a droll wit whose colorful quotes and keen analyses enlivened many campaigns, was found dead in his Venice condominium Monday. He was 57.

    Police were called to investigate when family and friends grew concerned after not hearing from Kuwata for several days. The cause of death was not known, but a Los Angeles Police Department spokesman, Sgt. Ron Pickering, said there was no evidence of foul play.

    Kuwata’s death brought an outpouring of shock and fond remembrance from strategists for both major parties, as well as reporters who knew him as both a source and occasional verbal sparring partner.

    “He was a great, smart, savvy political mind,” said Bill Carrick, a Los Angeles-based Democratic strategist and Kuwata’s longtime friend and campaign partner. “Even more important, he was one of the nicest people that ever worked in politics. Generous beyond compare.”

    Don Sipple, a GOP strategist in Santa Barbara, said he “worked with Kam and against Kam, and he was always a true professional and a gentleman.”

  • Shadowfax

    Kam Kuwata, at the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver. He helped then-Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign team manage the convention.

    ——–
    Yup, this is the proof.

  • jeswezey

    BASIL99:

    “Why are they calling HRC for this???? (the Keystone XL pipeline)
    =====

    Don’t ask me why it’s so, but this is supposed to be the Secretary of State’s decision. Of course, the president can always make the decision if he wants, but the current pResident has a funny thing about decision-making.

    HRC has put off the decision for two years, probably at Obama’s behest. The pipeline is a political hot potato in the US. It’s dirty oil, so conservationists and environmentalists are against it; but anyone who wants cheaper oil pumped closer to home favors this pipeline. My guess is that tdo is right: Obama will reject the pipeline in campaign mode and then rescind his decision after the election, or leave it to the next president to do so.

    This rejection, like everything else on Obama’s agenda, is dictated by Axelrod or Jarrett ways of getting O a few votes.

    But since the decision is controversial one way or the other, Congress wants some answers and they are not going to call the pResident to get answers. So the buck stops with Hillary.

  • moononpluto

    Obama loses his friends, this could be deadly. This could get very interesting.

    http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusive-hollywood-moguls-stopping-obama-donations-because-of-administrations-piracy-stand/

    EXCLUSIVE: Hollywood Moguls Stopping Obama Donations Because Of Administration’s Piracy Stand

    Internet sites may be conducting their blackout but Hollywood studios are conducting a boycott. I’ve learned that Hollywood studio chiefs individually and as a group are drawing a line in the sand on the piracy issue with the Obama re-election campaign and refusing to give any more donations. The blowup came after President Obama on Saturday dashed moguls’ hopes that he would remain on the sidelines in the dispute over the U.S. House Of Representatives’ Stop Online Piracy Act and the U.S. Senate’s Protect IP Act. In a posting on the White House web site, three of the Obama administration’s top officials for Internet and intellectual property matters said that they share many of the concerns that the Internet community has about the Hollywood-supported bills. The trio said that they “will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.” Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator Victoria Espinel, U.S. Chief Technology Officer Aneesh Chopra, and Special Assistant to the President Howard Schmidt tried to soften the blow to Hollywood by acknowledging that that online piracy is “a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response.” They added that they plan to host an online event “to get more input” on the matter. But Hollywood moguls told me they “didn’t know it was going to be as over the top as it was” and took this as a declaration of war. “We just feel very let down by the administration and Obama for not supporting us,” one chief explained to me. “At least let him remain neutral and not go against it until we can get the legislation right. But Obama went against it. I’m personally not going to support him anymore and not give a dime anymore,” one movie mogul who’s also a well-known Obama supporter told me this week.

    So far the most outspoken mogul against the Obama administration on this issue has been Rupert Murdoch who on Saturday told his new Twitter audience: “So Obama has thrown in his lot with Silicon Valley paymasters who threaten all software creators with piracy, plain thievery.” But I’ve learned that other moguls privately are having “direct and personal conversations” with Obama and his administration and the Democratic Party. Several moguls have informed Obama’s newly anointed Hollywood re-election liason to the entertainment community Nicole Avant and her husband who is helping her, Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos, that they are pulling out of major fundraisers planned over the next few days and won’t participate in any more headed by Obama and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (whom they see as in the pocket of the Internet giants like Google).

  • Shadowfax

    Yup Moon, the LA Times is the one I got my info from too, look at the date.
    The article was from April of 2011. He was killed last year!!!

  • jeswezey

    Shadowfax: Good work, I think you found the right dead man and the right Senator (although I congratulate myself for finding the Senator first!).

  • Shadowfax

    Freakin’ Phrack…murders in 2011 to keep the fraud President and Diane Feinstein knows it.

    Feinstein is a friend of Hillary and Bill, remember she let Hillary and Barry meet at her home before Hillary accepted the SOS job.

    Hillary knows of her two friends deaths too, no wonder she wants no job of VP nor to run against him in 2012. Her life is more important…

  • Shadowfax

    jeswezey
    January 18th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    Shadowfax: Good work, I think you found the right dead man and the right Senator (although I congratulate myself for finding the Senator first!).
    ——-

    I almost hope we are wrong…gets too close to Hillary. See my last post.

  • Shadowfax

    CIVIL WAR AT ABCNEWS; NETWORK HOLDS BOMBSHELL CAMPAIGN INTERVIEW

    (This is the headline on Drudge, with one of those flashing lights…what is up with this?)

  • jtjames

    what’s up with drudge!!

  • Shadowfax

    Could ABC be reporting this?

    ——

    Newt Gingrich Says He’d Ask Sarah Palin to Take a ‘Major Role’ in His Administration

    A day after winning a partial endorsement from Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich said today he would ask the former governor of Alaska to play a “major role” in his administration should he make it to the White House.

    “Certainly, she’s one of the people I’d call on for advice,” Gingrich said in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “I would ask her to consider taking a major role in the next administration if I’m president, but nothing has been discussed of any kind. And it wouldn’t be appropriate to discuss it at this time.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/newt-gingrich-says-hed-ask-sarah-palin-to-take-a-major-role-in-his-administration/

  • jtjames

    Marianne Gingrich has said she could end her ex-husband’s career with a single interview.
    Earlier this week, she sat before ABCNEWS cameras, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned… MORE… Developing…

    lights out for gingrich!

  • Shadowfax

    Woooooo, this is up top of Drudge……..

    Marianne Gingrich has said she could end her ex-husband’s career with a single interview.
    Earlier this week, she sat before ABCNEWS cameras, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned… MORE… Developing…

    She spoke to ABCNEWS reporter Brian Ross for two hours. Her explosive revelations are set to rock the campaign. But now a “civil war” has erupted inside of the network, an insider claims, on exactly when the confession will air!

  • Shadowfax

    sorry jtjames…

  • BASIL99

    jeswezy.

    Yeah, it seems BO is throwing HRC under the bus —-again. What a POS.

    I can’t stand the greenies. They will stop at nothing to advance their agenda at the expense of the rest of us.

    I’m covering a story about the horrific flooding in NYS from Hurricane Irene and many people who experienced terrible losses blame the state DEC for not allowing them to clear out creeks on their property.

    I’m following the story about the Idaho couple who wanted to build on property they bought but were told by the EPA they may be partially on a wetlands and so they told them they can’t.

    The case is now before the supreme court. I’m praying the Supremes put an end to this and slap some sense into the EPA. The EPA should be scaled back and Jackson should be demoted. Their overreach is shocking.

    And the Excel pipeline would bring another 800,000 gallons of oil into the country daily.

    It’s like BO wants to see the country at an energy disadvantage and wants to keep us dependent on the ME. He blocks the energy producers at every turn. No drilling in the Gulf. No drilling offshore. No drilling in Alaska. No Canadian pipeline. Shutting down coal plants. No hydrofracking.

    And pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into unproven alternative energies which can’t provide even 1 % of American energy needs.

  • BASIL99

    Shadowfax,

    I had meant to include excepts about the murder of a convention worker but forgot.

    Did you check the paragraph about how HRC was royally screwed (as we all know) at the convention?

    Maybe that’s why she bowed out. Maybe there were threats leveled against her, Chelsea, Bill. Remember how strange she looked when she conceded?

    :shudder:

  • Shadowfax

    BASIL99

    Shadowfax,

    I had meant to include excepts about the murder of a convention worker but forgot.

    Did you check the paragraph about how HRC was royally screwed (as we all know) at the convention?

    Maybe that’s why she bowed out. Maybe there were threats leveled against her, Chelsea, Bill. Remember how strange she looked when she conceded?

    —-
    Yes, I saw it and yes, she looked like a hostage when they drug her to the mike to lay down her sword. I will never, ever forget that night and how she looked in that orange suit before all Hell rained down.

  • Shadowfax

    I will never forget, I will never forgive and I will never shut the eff up about what happened until they lay me in a box.

  • BASIL99

    I’m also curious about WHY this guy (Kuwata) described BO as looking so sick.

    What is BO hiding? Remember all the chatter about him suffering from some disease? The blue lips. The wasting away – he’s skin and bones. The strange marks on his skull.

    I agree with moononpluto that speed or coke would rev him back up but the question is why is he so frail to begin with?

    I also wonder about the gregorian chanting that was reported.

    Bizarre, isn’t it?

  • BASIL99

    Newt’s ex-wife of 18 years. “Newt not fit to be prez.”

    I see the BO strategy is in full swing. Clear the field, not level the field.

    Honestly, I’m beginning to think there is going to have to be some late entrant into either the repu or dim field.

    Someone who gets in late enough that the BO candidate-killer machine can’t catch up with them.

    We can’t tolerate another 4 years. Just can’t do it.

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