The ‘Get Gingrich At Drake’ ABC Republican Debate

Have you noticed what little scrutiny establishment candidates receive at debates? In the 2008 election cycle Hillary Clinton performed brilliantly while Barack Obama usually stumbled and bumbled – the exception being when he would simply repeat Hillary’s answers. Obama was the establishment candidate of Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

This election cycle candidate after candidate has been beaten up on at the Republican debates – the exception being Romney. Pawlenty got beaten up because he refused to beat up on Romney. Rick Perry got the beat up treatment. Herman Cain got the beat up treatment. Tonight it is “Get Newt Night.”

Tonight’s penultimate GOP debate of the year will be broadcast on ABC (9:00 ET). Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos will moderate the debate from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa. Jon Huntsman will not attend due to poor poll numbers and of course Herman Cain has been chased off.

Tonight’s “Duel At Drake” will provide both Gingrich and Romney the opportunity to bludgeon each other. Perhaps Rick Perry might get in the act too and resuscitate his campaign:

“There is some chatter in Republican political circles that Perry’s ads are (finally) starting to take hold in the Hawkeye State and that his support is beginning to bump upward.

No polling has begun to pick up on that movement just yet — he placed fourth with 11 percent among likely Iowa caucus-goers in a poll sponsored by the Washington Post and ABC News — but keep an eye on the numbers over the next week to ten days to see if Perry can make the difficult leap from spoiler to contender in Iowa.”

Tonight’s debate is attracting the attention usually reserved for world champion boxing matches starring Muhammad Ali. The Republican candidates should not forget that the economy is supposed to be the topic tonight and the economy is not doing well:

“The average US household lost $21,261 of net worth this summer, the largest decline in family wealth in nearly three years.

The drop in the third quarter, tied to falling home values and a cratering stock market, is the second straight quarter of eroding wealth, according to the Federal Reserve’s quarterly report, released Thursday.”

At tonight’s debate the Republican candidates should remember who is the enemy and who is a future ally. The Republican candidates should read the latest CBS poll wherein 54% of Americans say Obama does not deserve reelection:

“Since his speech to a joint session of Congress in early September, Obama has vigorously positioned himself as the champion of the middle and working classes, attacking Republicans as the party of the wealthy and pushing for redistributive policies, including those in his so-called “jobs bill” that even Democrats wouldn’t pass. That strategy has been a total flop. The numbers on the question of whether Obama shares the priorities of voters fell to the worst in the CBS series, 41/54, not coincidentally the same percentage as the question of whether Obama deserves re-election. In April, that was 43/53, and in May 2010 — as Obama headed for a historical mid-term rebuke — it was 45/47. It hasn’t changed the perception that Obama is helping Wall Street more than average Americans (42/38).

The damage can be seen in the question of whether Obama has been a uniter or a divider (38/47), with independents breaking 35/48 on the question. Obama is also -18 among independents on the re-election question, 37/55, a harbinger of disaster in November. Even while Obama keeps fanning the flames of class warfare, no one is sure what Obama intends to do with a second term anyway. Two-thirds don’t have a clear idea on his second-term goals (32/66) — and that includes a majority of Democrats (46/52) along with more than two-thirds of independents (29/69).

Obama’s reboot as a class warrior has not changed the trajectory of his decline. In some ways, it appears to have accelerated it. This might explain the new theme of desperately trying to tie himself to Teddy Roosevelt’s legacy, but if this poll gives any indication, Obama will end up going the way of the Bull Moose”

Eyes on the Prize Republican guys and gal.

Tonight the Republican debate, our next article will be the promised Hillary article.

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210 thoughts on “The ‘Get Gingrich At Drake’ ABC Republican Debate

  1. This is going to be a tough debate. How can you tell? Diane Sawyer started the show by saying “we salute you.” A compliment to start the show usually means the long knives are unsheathed.

  2. Sawyer: What is your distinguishing idea on the economy? How many jobs will you create and for how long?

    Newt: I created jobs under Reagan and Clinton. Answer is simple, lower taxes, less regulation, no class warfare. Zero capital gains. Repatriate corporate profits.

    Romney: I spent my life in the private sector. Jobs are created in Main Street. Seven things to do. Employer tax rates lower, less regulation, smart trade policy, energy policy for more energy, labor laws, balance budget.

    Paul: Understand financial policy and what creates bubbles. Stimulus creates bubbles and bad investments. TARP and federal reserve dumped debt on American people therefore no economic growth. I would cut $1 trillion the first year.

    Perry: My tax policy, regulatory policy. I created jobs in Texas. The problem is the corruption between Washington and Wall Street. It will take an outsider to balance the budget and fix the economy.

    Bachmann: Not 9-9-9 but zero-zero-zero by fixing the tax code. Everyone must also pay something. American energy production will create jobs. Cut government bureaucracy. Get rid of Obamacare and Dodd-Frank.

    Santorum: Revitalize manufacturing. This can be done with tax policy, repeal regulations.

  3. Sawyer: If payroll tax cut expires this will add $1,000 to every American family?

    Bachmann: I fought against this payroll tax cut from the beginning. This is detrimental. Social Security trust fund is hurt.

    Romney: I don’t want to raise taxes. It is a temporary tax cut. Obama to blame for bad economy. America is less attractive for investors because of Obama.

    Santorum: Payroll taxes fund Social Security. Obama is the one defunding Social Security. This payroll tax cut takes money away from Social Security.

    Paul: Cut the payroll tax but pay for it. Get rid of the embassy in Bagdad and stop wars to pay for tax cuts.

    Steph: Who is most conservative and able to beat Obama?

    Romney: We are talking about what we believe and who can lead. Obama wants to transform America into an entitlement society that benefits government. Gingrich and I disagree on some things.

    Steph: Name them?

    Romney: Lunar colonies, etc. But our backgrounds are what matter. I come from the private sector.

    Gingrich: The only reason you did not become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy. We’ve both served. I try to encourage young people to study science. America should be in space. As to schools, kids should be allowed to work part time in schools. Poor kids will get work experience and janitorial costs go down. If you want to create jobs you need zero capital gains.

    Romney: My plan creates 11 million jobs. Tax cuts should go to the middle class. I spent my life in the private sector and losing to Ted Kennedy was good for me.

  4. Steph: You’ve run tough ads calling Newt a “hypocrite.”

    Paul: He received a lot of money from Freddie Mac while I was fighting against giving them more money. Gingrich has changed positions often.

    Gingrich: As you say the housing bubble came Fed policy. I offered Freddie Mac advice from the private sector. (laughs from audience) I am for breaking them up.

    Steph: You called Newt a crony capitalist?

    Bachmann: His offices are on K Street. I am the constitutional conservative. For 20 years Newt has advocated for mandates in health care. NewtRomney were for the bailouts. NewtRomney are not the conservative candidate.

    Gingrich: A lot of what you say is simply not true. I was against and fought against cap and trade. I was against Obamacare.

    Bachmann: In 1993 Newt advocated for the individual mandate. Romneycare was the model for Obamacare. You need someone who starkly disagrees with Barack Obama not agree with Barack Obama.

    Romney: Newt is not my clone. This “NewtRomney” thing we have to get out of our minds. Obama did not call me or any governor about Obamacare. I would have told him he is going down the wrong path. Obama cut Medicare for seniors and we need to remind him about that. Healthcare should be returned to the states.

    Perry: Michelle hit the nail on the head because they are both for the individual mandate. The Beacon Hill study shows how Romneycare has cost the state. Now you say you will rescind Obamacare. Obamacare is an abomination to this country.

    Romney: Gingrich was for a federal individual mandate. You and I believe in the Tenth Amendment and that is what we did in Massachusetts. We did not raise taxes for health care like Obama did. I will return to the people and the states the issue of healthcare.

    Sawyer: In 1993 I fought HillaryCare. The individual mandate was a conservative response. The Heritage Foundation was for it. The mandate is unconstitutional but it started as a conservative proposal.

    Perry: Mitt, in your book it says that you were for the individual mandate.

    Romney: You’ve said this before. I wrote the book. I wrote in chapter seven that the states should be in charge of health care.

    Bachmann: This is an important issue and we have to find the person who will go toe to toe against Obama.

    Santorum

  5. Good to see our admin is here doing the debate.

    Watching right now, and glad they are giving each enough time to comment.

  6. Steph: Values, Family, Faith? Should marital infidelity be considered in voting?

    Perry: I made a vow to God. That is even stronger than a handshake in Texas. If you cheat on your wife you will cheat on your business partners.

    Santorum: Character counts. It’s not a disqualifier, people make mistakes. But it is a factor. You are electing a leader. Trust is everything. This election is about who can you trust.

    Paul: Character is important. It should show through. We should not have to talk about it. But an oath of office is more important.

    Steph: You made an ad about you family?

    Romney: Obama’s campaign said I did not have core values. America’s values are important to me.

    Bachmann: The Founders only looked at “the measure of the man” or woman. Who are you really?

    Newt: It is a real issue. The voters have to trust and render judgment. I have said I have made mistakes. I have asked God for forgiveness. I am older now.

    Sawyer: Immigration. Let’s stipulate that everyone here is for securing the border. What about the 11 million undocumented in this country. Gingrich, what about your civilian boards and how many years is the threashold?

    Newt: It is the selective service model. Someone who has been here 25 years is who I have talked about. Severe penalties for employers who hire illegals. This is not amnesty. They would have to get a family sponsor.

    Sawyer: You indicate that people should go back home before they come back? How many people?

    Romney: No amnesty. No magnets. Secure the border then we can talk about the 11 million but they must register and then return home and get in the back of the line of those who want to come here.

    Sawyer: What about those who served in the military?

    Perry: Secure the border. Enforce the laws already on the books. My Justice Department would not sue Arizona, no catch and release program.

  7. Steph: Gingrich said Palestinians are an “invented people.”

    Paul: I don’t agree with that. We should not get in the middle of these squabbles. Technically he is correct however. We cannot continue to be the policeman of the world.

    Steph: Palestinian leaders say this will cause trouble?

    Newt: Hamas does not recognize Israel. Rockets are fired daily into Israel. Somebody has to have the courage to tell the truth. We pay for the textbooks that tell them to kill Jews.

    Romney: I agree most of what Gingrich says other than the “invented people” part. We should stand with Israel. But no incendiary words.

    Newt: The Israelis get rocketed every day. The Palestinan claim of “right of return” is based on a falsehood. “Palestinian” came into being in 1977. We need to stand for the truth.

    Romney: But you should not speak for Israel.

    Newt: I did not speak for Israel. I told the truth.

    Romney: We must not say things that will cause trouble or cause harm to Israel. I am not a bombthrower.

    Newt: It is important to have a president tell the truth. Reagan said “tear down this wall”. I am a Reaganite.

    Steph: Who has the better of this argument?

    Bachmann: My experience when I was in Israel is that Palestinians call Jews “pigs.”

    Santorum: You have to speak truth but with prudence. In the Soviet Union we had no allies.

    Perry: This is not important. This is a media created problem. Obama stood back in Egypt, now we have radical Islamists winning elections in Egypt. Obama has “led from behind”. Obama did not destroy the drone that should have been destroyed and now Iran and the Russians have the drone. Obama is the problem, not what Newt Gingrich said.

    BREAK.

  8. That last response by Perry was the best response of the night: “Obama is the problem”.

    Prepare for “Is Perry Back?” articles. We started the ball tonight by suggesting that Perry should not be ignored in the Newt vs. Willard spectacle.

  9. Perry’s response was right on- Obama pro Palestinian policy in the ME is the problem with Israel not Gingrich’s telling the truth.

  10. Perry’s answer was well thought out and well rehearsed. He’s slow on his feet when asked a question to respond to spontaneously.

  11. Actually, I think Santorum has given pretty good original answers tonight bringing up his record in his responses.

  12. Sawyer: When was the last time you had financial problems that made you give something up?

    Perry: My upbringing: did not have water in my home. My mother made my clothes. I never felt like I gave anything up however or did not have what I needed.

    Romney: I was not poor. My dad was poor. He made us get jobs and have concern for others.

    Paul: I was raised in a poor family but did not know it. It was the depression.

    Santorum: I grew up in a modest home. My gift was having a father and mother that loved me. The family in America is breaking down and that hurts them economically.

    Sawyer: Troubled banks got a bailout, families got nothing?

    Bachmann: I was against the bailout. Wall Street socialized their losses. I took on Hank Paulson and my own president. I was born in a middle class family but then divorce made us poor. I know the struggles of single mothers. I still go to consignment stores.

    Newt: I grew up above a gas station. My dad was in the military. It was frugal but not desperate. I and my wife have a company and we have to meet a payroll.

    Steph: To Romney and Newt, tell us more about your past support for healthcare. Romney, you were for a state health care plan but what about other states?

    Romney: States should do what they want to do. States should try what they want to do. My plan was designed for my state but a federal plan should be struck down by the Supreme Court.

    Newt: For the federal government to do so is unconstitutional. I worked on health issues since 1974.

  13. Sawyer: Should government be involved in health matters?

    Paul: The government should not try to tell you what to do.

    Perry: It’s the states call. The people are sick of Washington D.C. Go to a part time congress. Cut their pay in half. Work under the laws they pass. Term limits.

    BREAK.

  14. Paul is getting great feedback from the audience and time enough to talk.

    I think all the candidates are doing better in this debate.

  15. Steph: One thing you learned from another candidate?

    Santorum: Newt taught me to take a chance and run for office. I won two elections in Pennsylvania. I have been a consistent conservative.

    Perry: Paul inspired me to research the Federal Reserve. I thank him for that. The people of this country want to get this country on track. There are many good men and women who want this country to be better. It’s as Michelle has said, this is an important election.

    Romney: Ron Paul’s people are always around even in freezing temperatures. The qualities of leadership are what will determine whether we have a great president or not. America has got to return to principles.

    Newt: Governor Terry Branstad of Iowa got out of politics and then came back and that inspires me. Rick Perry got me engaged in the Tenth Amendment in a big way. Rick Santorum’s consistency on Iran.

    Paul: Never give up on your opposition. So thank you Rick Perry. We should not be fighting amongst ourselves in Washington. We can all prevail and come up with the best answers.

    Bachmann: Herman Cain brought up the 9-9-9 plan. It is the power of being plain and saying things in an understandable way.

    IT’S OVER.

  16. Shadowfax, this was a very good debate. There were less candidates and more time. The distribution of time was also fair and all the candidates got to answer the same questions.

    Also, the candidates have gotten much better. Perry was the best he has ever been and got off some good lines and arguments. Newt and Romney wrestled but did not get into the mud. Good debate.

  17. Can you believe that with all that was said, the ABC media guys are focusing on what Romney said about the $10,000 bet as an offhand remark said to Perry.

    They are attacking Romney.

  18. ABC News is talking about the Romney $10,000 bet proposal to Newt. Romney probably made a mistake by doing what he did. Not many Americans can place $10,000 bets. ABC “personalities” think Romney did not stop Newt at this debate.

  19. Once again, the media is trying to push voters to pick who they want to be the nominee.

    Obviously they have decided on Newt.

  20. The abc people have settled on Gingrich- Romney did his best to circle around Newt’s statement about the PA’s but his argument wasn’t enough to circumvent the Truth. It was a faux pas for him to say he would do it privately behind closed doors.. when people are interested in transparency in government.

  21. The most striking thing about the Republicans is they are seen as patriots of the country. An important factor that is seriously lacking in the Obamacrat party.

  22. Romney is the Hillary in this election. No matter what Hillary said, the other candidates and mainly the media picked and picked and picked apart every little word and spun it into something else.

    Even when all the candidates are putting their best foot forward trying to get people to vote for them, Newt Gingrich’s arrogance and giant ego seeps through. Imagine what he will be like when he’s the nominee or president and he does not have to suck up to the little people like he was doing to Iowa political office holders at the debate.

    It’s getting a little grating to keep hearing him suggest that HE KNOWS because he is a historian, he was there, he is practically another Reagan and on and on.

    As others have said, if the Republicans continue to push Newt with his background and suggest his past trangressions are no big deal NOW, then in that case they’d better put on sack cloth and ashes and beg..beg…beg for Bill Clinton to forgive them for their HYPOCROCY.

  23. I agree Admin, and I think they all came across well to Independents amd not too offensive to liberals except for the religiousesk answers.

  24. the media is trying to push voters to pick who they want to be the nominee.

    Obviously they have decided on Newt.

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    Do they really want a President Gingrich, or do they just think he would be easier for Obama to beat?

  25. “Romney is the Hillary in this election.”
    ___________

    Could be- He was their favorite son early on. I think what hurt him is he has lost his momentum. He has stayed silent on just about everything since the last debate and has been allowing Newt to grab headlines and the limelight until just this past week where his campaign ads have appeared and been lethargic repeats of old advertizing themes he’s used in the past..

    When everyone thought Newt had opened a can of worms calling the Palestinians an invented people, he used it to his benefit tonight where everyone responded to his statement, he didn’t back down apologize or make excuses because his statement was historically true.

    Besides, I think the bloodbath people want to see is a debate with Gingrich v Obama. The only way that is going to happen is if he is the R nominee- I think for a Gingrich nomination it is a good measure for the suffering of Americans if the public at large are willing to gamble a Gingrich presidency warts and all against Obama.

  26. Will the media allow a blood bath against Obama?

    At that point the media will cover for BO ONCE AGAIN and go after Gingrich like they are doing with Romney now and like they did with Hillary I would imagine. If people are for Gingrich because they think he is going to clean Obama’s clock in a debate, they may be in for a huge let down.

  27. Besides, I think the bloodbath people want to see is a debate with Gingrich v Obama. The only way that is going to happen is if he is the R nominee- I think for a Gingrich nomination it is a good measure for the suffering of Americans if the public at large are willing to gamble a Gingrich presidency warts and all against Obama.

    =================

    The rightwing Clinton Haters like Gingrich just fine.

  28. The Muslim Brotherhood’s credo was and is, “God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations.”

    And yet, John Kerry says that America welcomes the election results in Egypt:

    http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/542276

    Now there is a man who doesn’t care who he sides with. Any enemy of America is good enough for John Kerry!

  29. admin,thanks for the play-by-play.

    I watched last night and I thought it was the best debate format so far. Diane and Georgie did start getting power-drunk midway through but not nearly as bad as the previous moderators.

    I thought Newt hit it out of the park with his response to the Israel situation and I thought Perry came off much better.

    Bachmann also put in a strong showing.

    Romney was where he always is, right in the middle.

    Santorum and Paul – who?

  30. It was good to hear Perry make a point about Iran capturing the drone. He said, Obama had 3 choices: destroy the drone, recover it or nothing. Obama did NOTHING-

    To me, Obama committed a treasonous seditious act by doing nothing aiding the enemy allowing them access to our hi-tech terrorist fighting tools. Iran will be building and flying drones everywhere over the ME.. maybe even here.

  31. Mrs. Smith
    December 11th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    It was good to hear Perry make a point about Iran capturing the drone.

    I was glad to hear that told about too, and I agree that it was a treasonous seditious act. Our congressmen and women just avert their eyes, because imo, they are such iffy characters themselves – they live in glass houses.

    We absolutely MUST throw them all out – again and again if that is what it takes. I am so tired of Klobuchar and McCollum coming home to MN and halfheartedly going through the campaign motions when they know all along they are virtually guaranteed reelection because of their service to the “party”.

    But I have a feeling if we even get close to reclaiming our democracy we will find out, and that right quick, how determined they are to keep us in our place. Look how nasty they got with Hillary and McCain/Palin does anyone doubt they would have gone as far as they needed to ensure “no change”.

  32. Look how nasty they got with Hillary and McCain/Palin does anyone doubt they would have gone as far as they needed to ensure “no change”.
    _________

    If Gingrich maintains his cool- i.e. does not fall for Obama baiting him ( much like here(!)) playing the baiting card against him in a public light- I think Newt could be Obama’s worst nightmare. Theres no doubt about it, Newt is the strongest candidate the Rs have at the present time.

    Another thing- when asked the question about marital fidelity. I don’t believe what seemed to be the consensus. In fact, in my experience I have seen just the opposite in a majority of cases. A man faithful to his wife has no trouble at all screwing his clientele. To him, it’s all in a day’s business. It was a stupid question to begin with anyway, appearing to be asked as a subtle reference to Gingrich-

    A better question would have been- ‘who on this stage has never been unfaithful, ever, in any way shape or form, in their marriage?’

    It would have been a hoot watching the body language and counting the hand/hands from the candidates on that one…

  33. …that $10,000 bet by Romney came across as reckless and stupid…if he intended to do anything like that he should have included a line about donating to charity…basically it played into the ‘rich’ guy image and seemed elite and tone deaf…

    the whole crew, including O, are a disaster…heaven help us, no matter what…

    so pathetic…is this the best the USA can come up and what we are stuck with ?

  34. Obama states unemployment could be down to 8% by election…disroval rating @ -6.5% today. Bad news for republicans if this is correct re economy .

  35. “is this the best the USA can come up and what we are stuck with ?”
    ____________

    Taking the risk of standing up to the Obama machine certainly eliminates many people when you realize just exactly what you are up against, yes-

    For instance, George Soros and his multitude of corporations aligned with Obama feeding him a bottomless supply of money and manpower through different organizations. All brought to the Obama’s table with various attributes into his corrupt system. Some used for tamping down negative opinions of the ‘fraud’ affecting his public image..Some organizations for doing opposition research on an individual they intend to punish by destroying their lives utterly and totally forever.

    Second, full access to the most powerful government on earth encapsulating him in a security bubble for his own personal protection virtually untouchable by anti-Obama forces wishing him ill.

    Third, owning the major News Networks scripting the news topics of the day feeding the masses what they want them to dwell on, not information important to their health and welfare.

    So, yeah, I think we are fortunate anyone will stand up and strip away the American Flag Obama has conveniently wrapped around himself. Gingrich is the strongest candidate confident and fearless, I believe can accomplish that task.

    Romney, doesn’t have the goods or the wherewithal to bring the fight to Obama. With Romney, you’re looking at another McCain rollover.

  36. Romney is too much of a gentleman, but still probablly the best shot we have. Gingrich made me sick last night attacking Hillary.

  37. “Obama states unemployment could be down to 8% by election…”
    ********
    Very possible…It will be done the same way that the rate went “down” to 8.6. The “unemployment rate” (U3) is a phone survey with a small sample size so a few minor adjustments in the results and voila!!! 315,000 people disappear from the work force, and U3 drops from 9.1 to 8.6%. Make another 500,000 vanish and 8.0% is the new rate; easy.

  38. I was talking with some of the young aides at my mother’s nursing home today. Of course, they did not see the debates. When I mentioned Newt Gingrich possibly being the nominee against Obama, two different ones in different conversations asked, “Newt Gingrich? Is that that fat, old guy with white hair?”

    For me it is not Newt’s cheating on his previous wives although that is morally bankrupt behavior. He can ask and be granted forgiveness from them. It was his arrogant HYPOCRITE behavior and attacks on Bill and Hillary Clinton that I can’t “forgive” so easily.

  39. Leanora,

    In haste. On a quick look, what you and AtlasShrugged put in quotes as a ‘credo’ does not show up at the link AtlasShrugged gives to the Muslim Brotherhood site, ie http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?ID=813&LevelID=2&SectionID=116

    That link does go to an article well worth reading. It’s long and begins with history, so to save time I’d suggest starting at the bottom of the article and page up a few screens. There is a list of “15 Principles for Agreement” which was included in their ” political program for the general elections which took place in Nov., 1995.” Here are some samples from their list:

    “Third: To confirm the freedom of personal conviction (religious conviction).
    Fourth: To confirm the freedom of establishing religious rites for all the known heavenly religions.
    Fifth: To confirm the freedom of opinion and the right to publicize it, and to call, peacefully, to it, within the limitations of the moral values of society that are detailed in the first section of the constitution. An important consideration in ensuring the above is the freedom of owning and using the different mass media outlets (television, radio, video tapes and equipment, fax machines, newspapers, magazines, books and newsletters).
    [….]
    Tenth: The right of every citizen (man or woman) to take part in parliamentary elections.
    Eleventh: The right of every citizen to become a member of parliament through elections.”

  40. Mrs. Smith,

    I was biting my tongue. Self-proclaimed resident ‘experts’ really get me in the Bah-humbug mood but I was doing my best to fight it.

    Until you commented.

    👿

  41. OTOH, this is DEFINITELY well worth viewing. Again.

    Here’s a group who really knows what they;re barking about.

  42. Honestly, admin, while I mostly like the content of Perry’s and Gingrich’s remarks, I couldn’t help groaning at seeing and hearing them both.

    Gingrich looks and sounds like a nasty b@stard. Now, I know that’s partly what’s needed to trump BO but he’s skating on the edges of downright obnoxious half the time. He gets that smug, self-satisfied pudgy grin on his face and that supercilious tone in his voice and I gotta tell ya, I start cringing.

    Perry, on the other hand, reminds me of my favorite brother who worked as a clown in a small circus for several years before getting his teaching degree and then trying his hand at that.

    It didn’t work. He told me every time he would try to discipline his middle school english class kids he’d get them under control with a mean face and harsh voice but just when the kids would start behaving he’d inevitably let his frown break and start grinning and they would know he wasn’t serious mad.

    He only lasted a couple of years as a teacher.

    There HAS to be a better alternative than what we saw last night. And Romney, it’s like it’s finally dawning on him that he may want to indulge in some catch-up and he doesn’t have a clue of where to begin. He’s played it so friggin’ safe for the past year that it’s hard to see where he goes from here.

    I agree with Gingrich’s comments on Israel. I like how he defended himself against Romney’s attacks. I like Perry’s defense of Newt and his characterization of BO’s muddled ME policy and calling him out on the Predator Drone situation. But even there he flubbed it and wasn’t sure of whether he had 2 or 3 alternatives, finally settled on 3 – retrieve, destroy or do nothing and BO did the worst – (nothing).

    Perry is so over-thinking at this point it seems like he’s jinxing himself.

  43. It was his arrogant HYPOCRITE behavior and attacks on Bill and Hillary Clinton that I can’t “forgive” so easily.

    ===============

    Yes. It would have been almost as bad if he and Barr etc had used some other pretext to impeach Bill (eg something about campaign funds etc). The worst thing was that they wanted to impeach Bill AT ALL: they couldn’t accept the good results he was getting for the country (balanced budget etc), so they resorted to impeachment which was almost unprecedneted in US history.

    But Gingrich’s hypocrisy was like criminal insanity on top of that.

  44. Enough with the INSANITY-

    Here’s a dose of “good” reality-

    Our Chelsea is going public on nbc and will be the voice of sanity- Her premiere will be this week @ 10pm on the new show with Brian Williams, “Making A Difference.”

    you can read about it here- I’ve started a little site for her as “Chelsea Clinton Unleashed”.. and she has been…UNLEASHED!

    For now, at least it is a read only site.. and can only be read here:

    http://chelseaclintonunleashed.com/

  45. the above information is from a disreputable hired political hack David Weasel.

    David “Dave” Weigel (born September 26, 1981), is an American journalist, currently working for Slate magazine and MSNBC. Weigel began appearing on MSNBC in 2009,[3] accepting a position as a paid contributor in June 2010.[4] From April through June 2010 he wrote a weblog for The Washington Post website focusing on the conservative and tea party movements and the Republican Party’s preparations for the 2010 midterm elections.

    [5][6] Weigel resigned from the Post following the leak of several emails he had written on JournoList, a private “independent to left-leaning” listserv, that were critical of prominent conservative figures and the conservative movement.[7][8][9]

  46. If Americans in their infinite wisdom choose to keep a Democrat in the White House through 2016, let it be Hillary Clinton.

    Increasingly the question of whether President Obama should be challenged for the 2012 nomination is surfacing among disgruntled Democrats worried about a solid Republican victory next fall.

    They’re right to be concerned: the crises facing the United States and the world deserve better than Obama’s oldest established permanent floating re-election campaign.

    There’s no doubt Clinton’s tireless and often effective performance as secretary of state demonstrates she would bring more seasoned judgment to the Oval Office than its current resident. Here are a just a few reasons the Democratic Party should bite the bullet and jettison the nation’s one-term Senate orator and try to elect the nation’s first woman president.

    Beginning with the political dimension of his conduct of the war in Afghanistan to class war at home, Obama’s priorities seem to be governed more by his re-election timetable than the demands of the national interest and reflective responses to the galloping changes in the global order

    Contrary to mainstream opinion, Obama is a mediocre politician. Were it not so, surely he would have known that people get wise to polished repetitive, but empty speeches — and know the difference between bread and butter now and pie in the sky later.

    Joblessness and fear of watching retirement savings vanish weigh heavier on the nation’s collective mind than long-range climate change and health care reform. The president’s touted political instincts should have told him all that. But, as James Carville once noted socogently, “It’s the economy, stupid!”

    But while Obama talked jobs and initiated a jobs bill on his sixth day in office, almost all of his mind and determination remained focused on health care — his overriding priority.

    There is more. Even a short and substantively fruitless effort in spring 2009 to get agreement on a new U.N. climate change protocol outranked jobs at home on Obama’s must-do list.

    Health care came first, no matter what. The president spent a year getting it on the books, while he assured the country that his close to trillion-dollar economic stimulus program was creating jobs.

    He lost no time proclaiming the recession over — blind and deaf to the reality that it was a “jobless recovery.” He saw the upticking Gross National Product statistics and forgot or never understood they reflected only record earnings of financial institutions.

    Hillary Clinton with her wealth of experience as first lady, a two-term senator from New York and now the world’s leading diplomat would hardly have been so blind.

    Obama’s economic stimulus was a bust because, among his many other blunders, he left the writing of the legislation to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats in their veto-proof Congress — without benefit of Republican input. As a result, Congress presented him with a Christmas tree adorned with pork barrels, but bare of jobs with a future.

    We can only hope that reports about Hillary’s health problems are greatly exaggerated. Her party — and her country — badly need her services. She’s likely the only potential winner the Democrats can muster.

    Bogdan Kipling is a Canadian journalist in Washington.

    http://savannahnow.com/column/2011-12-10/kipling-run-hillary-run#.TuVnBsmF8wM

  47. “We can only hope that reports about Hillary’s health problems are greatly exaggerated. Her party — and her country — badly need her services. She’s likely the only potential winner the Democrats can muster.”

    who is reporting that Hillary has health problems, I know she’s travelled a lot and is probably exhausted but haven’t heard anything about her health.

  48. Who is pushing the envelope:
    _____________

    NJ Democrat Calls For Hillary Clinton To Run With Obama In 2012

    ELIZABETH — State Sen. Raymond Lesniak is calling for Hillary Clinton to be President Obama’s Vice Presidential running mate instead of Joe Biden, who is 69, and he will be making a television appearance this weekend to explain why.

    The 64-year old former First Lady, who is now the Secretary of State, finished second to President Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic nomination.

    Lesniak will be appearing on New Jersey Power & Politics, a weekly political show that airs on News 12 New Jersey (Cablevision channel 12 and Comcast channel 62).

    This weekend’s episode will be played at 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on Saturday and Sunday.

    http://njtoday.net/2011/12/09/nj-democrat-calls-for-hillary-clinton-to-run-with-obama-in-2012/

  49. “who is reporting that Hillary has health problems, I know she’s traveled a lot and is probably exhausted but haven’t heard anything about her health.”
    ________________

    I agree- she needs a good, long rest… Time to listen to your body Hillary and get out, now-

  50. http://4thofeleven.livejournal.com/146195.html

    Asked whether he considers himself a Zionist, he answered: “I believe that the Jewish people have the right to a state … Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire” until the early 20th century…”
    – Gingrich calls Palestinians ‘invented’ people, al-Jazeera News


    In the wake of Newt Gingrich’s discovery that territories formerly part of the Ottoman Empire cannot claim statehood, governments from Hungary to Kuwait are struggling to deal with the revelation that their national identities are a fraud.
    [….]
    Meanwhile, in revolt-plagued Syria, President Bashar al-Assad seemed almost relieved to turn his country over to the new Ottoman sultan, and one spokesman for the former regime is now arguing the former President should be exempt from any prosecution for crimes committed by the Syrian government, as, under the Gingrich doctrine, the Republic of Syria never existed in the first place.
    In Europe, meanwhile, markets are reeling at the discovery that debt-laden Greece never existed in the first place. “In hindsight, looking at the level of corruption in Greece, we should have guessed the entire state was an elaborate hoax,” One EU official was heard to comment.
    [….]
    Meanwhile, the man at the centre of this radical political shift, Newt Gingrich, has come under fire from his own party, after it was realised the Gingrich doctrine had resulted in the erasure of Israel as a state as well as Palestine. One Republican, speaking anonymously, went further, saying that “Mr. Gingrich’s comments don’t even make sense. So what if Palestine didn’t exist prior to the twentieth century. There wasn’t a United States prior to the eighteenth century; it was part of the British empire and considered part of the British community – Oh, crap.”

  51. From Still4Hill, The best piece of news I’ve read in some time. We’re here for you Hillary!

    ——————————-

    http://still4hill.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/sunday-night-hillary-encouragement/

    Sunday Night Hillary Encouragement
    December 11, 2011 by still4hill

    I want to preserve this whole conversation exactly as Rumana related it on Facebook. It gave many so much hope to read these words.

    I said to him hello Mr. President me and my friends want to know if Hillary will run, and I mean in 2012 and not 2016. He paused for a sec. And said she keeps saying no but if she gets enough encouragement maybe she will change her mind.

    I said you should go to S4h FB page and see we are encouraging her. He put his hand on my shoulder and said if lot more people encourage her maybe she will run. I said Mr. President we are talking about 2012 please do something. He said she needs to know you are there for her and I said please tell her. 😉

    Yes, Mme. Secretary we are here for you. We never left you. Over the past almost three days, your supporters have posted many encouraging words here and on my Facebook page (the one Rumana told President Clinton to look at). We hope you have a chance to read them all. We are ready. We have stayed together over four years … for you. We love you. We know you hear us and that we are not invisible to you. We also know that you have the ability to fix what is broken in this country.

    You have left a transformational legacy at the State Department that will resonate long into the next century with your Smart Power Doctrine, your 21st Century Economic Statecraft Doctrine, and your QDDR. You have brought alienated friends back into the fold, particularly in Asia. You have reached out to those who, in the past, have distrusted us. You have spoken out for human rights, gender equality, and freedom of communication. You have accomplished these things and so much more on the global stage.

    Now, Mme. Secretary, we need you on the domestic stage where things have not fared so well. Partisan bickering, a bad economy, and government inaction have been the hallmark of the past almost four years. Things are bad out here, and all we get are speeches. There is no bold action. There is no bipartisan effort. That has to come from the leader. It is not something that can come from the grassroots. What we do see from the grassroots is the level of dissatisfaction in this country as the Tea Party and Occupy Movement demonstrate.

    We have stayed together for you because we all know you have the special leadership skills to mend what is torn. For every one of us who comments, there are more who feel the way we do. We hear all the time from Republicans, Independents, and disaffected Democrats that people wish you would run. People wish you were president. Please, dear Mme. Secretary, give this some consideration. Read our words.

    Thank you for all that you have done. Thank you for inspiring us on a daily basis. And thank you for listening to President Clinton when he told you about his conversation with Rumana. We love you. All of us do, and we need you.

  52. Kings Grove and Everyone

    @3:08 am

    Sign on to Still4Hills website- and her FB page to let her know WE still want Hillary to RUN…

  53. I was watching MSNBC Jansing this morning, looking for Joe, but I was too late. Anyway one of the commetators said that with Romney it look like it might be lining up with what happened with HRC in 2008. That people decided she might not have the right message, and they started backing away.

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE, PEOPLE WERE RUNNING TOWARD HER, AND IT WAS YOU AND THE SUPERDELEGATES WHO FRAUDULANTLY DECIDED THE OUTCOME OF THAT ELECTION. PEOPLE BACKING AWAY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELIEVE IN HER MESSAGE BULL SHIT.

    Media is re-inventing their role and responsibility in the 2008 election, make it look like thy had nothing to do with what happened. We jut cannot let them get away wit that. I AM MAD!

  54. Bill said, if you want Hillary to run you need to tell her-

    Post a little note to Hillary in your own words at Still4hill and at Face Book if you prefer at the link posted @ 3:08 am upthread…

    Then post a response here letting us know, YOU’RE INIT TO WINIT!

  55. Post a little note to Hillary in your own words at Still4hill and at Face Book if you prefer at the link posted @ 3:08 am upthread…

    Then post a response here letting us know, YOU’RE INIT TO WINIT!
    —————————————————————————-

    I posted a note at still4hill, but it was not accepted and I dunno why.
    Anyone else have the same experience?

  56. Besides, doesn’t Hillary read hillaryis44? This site has been dedicated to HRC since before any of the other sites. Heh, heh, I just remembered we all used to add 44cents to our contributions to her campaign: i.e. $100.44. That was fun!

  57. I don’t know how I posted twice. Probably as to do with, when I don’t see it immediately, I push the submit comment again. Sorry.

  58. NewMexicoFan
    December 12th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    absolutely right, NMF- Media is habitually tying waning support for potential Republican nominees in this case Romney, to comparisons of Hillary’s loss in 08′ of the democratic nomination.

    Except, they are not telling ‘The Truth’ of HOW the theft of the dem nomination occurred. The MSNBC media cover-up continues associating Hillary’s failure with untrue stories saying things like: “people backed away from her message”… when we know their rewrite of the history of the actual events that took place is a total misrepresentation of the facts- an outright LIE…

    The effect of this revelation made public at this time would be like a tsunami torpedoing Obama’s campaign and shattering any hope of his re-election.

    A reputable source like Woodward needs to get out in front of that story and tell it the way it happened. When you see a Lie in print the only way you can correct it is by calling them on it with the Truth in print and watching them squirm. Potentially GREAT headlines that would go on and on and on as they try justifying their actions.

    Revealing the facts of the actual event as they took place would be a great launching pad for getting people to realize Hillary had been Robbed of the nomination by the DNC’s Rules and By-Laws Committee as well as the Obama thugs during the Caucasus. <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/the-dnc-deliberates/&quot;(STORY HERE)

    Woodward or someone like him would benefit greatly if he decided to take the lead on this untold story. There is another book in there for the author. Most of the research is already documented, videos and all. ( remember Harold Ickes? ) The book would be a BLOCKBUSTING best seller in a minute if a trustworthy author is willing to pursue it..

  59. NewMexicoFan
    December 12th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    absolutely right, NMF- Media is habitually tying waning support for potential Republican nominees in this case Romney, to comparisons of Hillary’s loss in 08′ of the democratic nomination.

    Except, they are not telling ‘The Truth’ of HOW the theft of the dem nomination occurred. The MSNBC media cover-up continues associating Hillary’s failure with untrue stories saying things like: “people backed away from her message”… when we know their rewrite of the history of the actual events that took place is a total misrepresentation of the facts- an outright LIE…

    The effect of this revelation made public at this time would be like a tsunami torpedoing Obama’s campaign and shattering any hope of his re-election.

    A reputable source like Woodward needs to get out in front of that story and tell it the way it happened. When you see a Lie in print the only way you can correct it is by calling them on it with the Truth in print and watching them squirm. Potentially GREAT headlines that would go on and on and on as they try justifying their actions.

    Revealing the facts of the actual event as they took place would be a great launching pad for getting people to realize Hillary had been Robbed of the nomination by the DNC’s Rules and By-Laws Committee as well as the Obama thugs during the Caucasus. <a href="http://www.thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/the-dnc-deliberates/"(STORY HERE)

    Woodward or someone like him would benefit greatly if he decided to take the lead on this untold story. There is another book in there for the author. Most of the research is already documented, videos and all. ( remember Harold Ickes? ) The book would be a BLOCKBUSTING best seller in a minute if a trustworthy author is willing to pursue it..

  60. lil ole grape
    December 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    I posted a note at still4hill, but it was not accepted and I dunno why.
    Anyone else have the same experience?
    _____________

    Did you see a note above your post saying it went to moderation? Mine did as well- however, as soon as the site owner checks her spam filter it should get posted for public viewing..

  61. NewMexicoFan
    December 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    yep, I just had the same experience ending with a double post…Just to let you know, you gave me a fantastic idea as I mention today @ 11:45 am-

  62. Kagen’s out of the immigration case!

    The Supreme Court announced Monday it will take the case of Arizona’s tough immigration crackdown law, adding yet another contentious clash between the Obama administration and the states to its docket.

    The case, which has attracted national attention, pits Arizona against the Obama administration, which sued and won court orders blocking implementation of most of the law at both the district and appeals court levels. Arizona’s law spawned a host of copycat laws in other states, and most of them have likewise seen their key provisions blocked by court challenges from the administration.

    At stake is Arizona’s goal of granting state and local police the power to check the immigration status of persons they encounter during their duties, such as traffic stops. Administration lawyers argue the state statutes infringe on what is federal responsibility to police the borders and set immigration policy.

    In its notice, the court said Justice Elena Kagan had recused herself from the decision to take the case.

    Justice Kagan has come under fire for not recusing herself from the decision to hear challenges to the new health care law.

    She was Mr. Obama’s solicitor general from March 2009 up through May 2010, though she stopped taking part in cases in March 2010 so she would preserve her ability to hear them as a justice.

    The health care law was signed in March 2010. Arizona’s immigration law passed in April 2010.

  63. Just watched and listened to the worst news conference by the worst POTUS we have ever allowed to steal our WH in the last 100 yrs.He must surely resent and hate our Hillary “The First Lady OF The World”.He thanked everyone of his staff and boot lickers including Biden for this great job that he has put together but never acknowledged that Hillary was the prime mover of this amazing feat.I hope that she leaves not a minute longer than she made public.She is not aquitter and she knows what she must do on her terms and I do not blame her if she retires.She is truly a national treasure.
    She needs us at her back and BO should apply to a waste management co.Garbage In Garbage Out.

  64. Just had a bizarre experience at S4H’s site.

    I mentioned some Hillary supporters were not getting through… Then changed browsers and found something puzzling:

    S4H…

    Someone is monkeying around with your site.. My Netscape browser shows 23 responses. Firefox and IE are showing 74 responses…

  65. ABM90
    December 12th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    After I read this article at msnbc, I thought it was disgusting, disgraceful and an insult to Americans who have died in the Iraq conflict…

    You can read the article here.. also check out the photo of Obama sitting next to the President of Iraq and his telling broad smile.

    …..

    “Monday’s meeting between Obama and al-Maliki is expected to focus heavily on how the U.S. and Iraq will continue to cooperate on security issues without the presence of American troops. Iraqi leaders have said they want U.S. military training help for their security forces but have been unable to agree on what type of help they’d like or what protections they would be willing to give American trainers.”

    “The White House said Obama and al-Maliki would also discuss cooperation on energy, trade and education.”

    “Obama and al-Maliki will also hold a joint news conference at the White House, then lay wreaths at Arlington National Cemetery, where some of the nearly 4,500 Americans killed in the Iraq war are buried.”

    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/12/9382981-whats-next-obama-iraqi-prime-minister-meet-as-us-troops-leave?chromedomain=usnews

  66. The front page pic of Obama smiling like the cat that swallowed the canary has been replaced with a serious portrait of him with the Iraqi PM.. (I mistakenly labeled al-Maliki president in the previous post.

  67. Disapproval now under 50% at 49.3% (-4.8%). Seems like he is getting a bump after Saturday night’s debate.

  68. GStill4Hill
    HILLARY CLINTON: MAKING FEMININITY PRESIDENTIAL!Feeds:PostsCommentsSECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON: Public Schedule for December 12, 2011
    December 12, 2011 by still4hill

    Public Schedule for December 12, 2011
    Public Schedule

    Washington, DC
    December 12, 2011

    ——————————————————————————–

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    10:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton joins President Obama’s bilateral meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, at the White House.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)

    12:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, at the Department of State.
    (JOINT PRESS AVAILABILITY FOLLOWING BILATERAL MEETING AT APPROXIMATELY 2:10 P.M.)

    3:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    3:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton launches the Joint Coordination Committee (JCC) with Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, at the Department of State.
    (POOLED CAMERA SPRAY)

    4:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with President Obama at the White House.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)

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    Sunday Night Hillary Encouragement
    December 11, 2011 by still4hill

    I want to preserve this whole conversation exactly as Rumana related it on Facebook. It gave many so much hope to read these words.

    I said to him hello Mr. President me and my friends want to know if Hillary will run, and I mean in 2012 and not 2016. He paused for a sec. And said she keeps saying no but if she gets enough encouragement maybe she will change her mind.

    I said you should go to S4h FB page and see we are encouraging her. He put his hand on my shoulder and said if lot more people encourage her maybe she will run. I said Mr. President we are talking about 2012 please do something. He said she needs to know you are there for her and I said please tell her.

    Yes, Mme. Secretary we are here for you. We never left you. Over the past almost three days, your supporters have posted many encouraging words here and on my Facebook page (the one Rumana told President Clinton to look at). We hope you have a chance to read them all. We are ready. We have stayed together over four years … for you. We love you. We know you hear us and that we are not invisible to you. We also know that you have the ability to fix what is broken in this country.

    You have left a transformational legacy at the State Department that will resonate long into the next century with your Smart Power Doctrine, your 21st Century Economic Statecraft Doctrine, and your QDDR. You have brought alienated friends back into the fold, particularly in Asia. You have reached out to those who, in the past, have distrusted us. You have spoken out for human rights, gender equality, and freedom of communication. You have accomplished these things and so much more on the global stage.

    Now, Mme. Secretary, we need you on the domestic stage where things have not fared so well. Partisan bickering, a bad economy, and government inaction have been the hallmark of the past almost four years. Things are bad out here, and all we get are speeches. There is no bold action. There is no bipartisan effort. That has to come from the leader. It is not something that can come from the grassroots. What we do see from the grassroots is the level of dissatisfaction in this country as the Tea Party and Occupy Movement demonstrate.

    We have stayed together for you because we all know you have the special leadership skills to mend what is torn. For every one of us who comments, there are more who feel the way we do. We hear all the time from Republicans, Independents, and disaffected Democrats that people wish you would run. People wish you were president. Please, dear Mme. Secretary, give this some consideration. Read our words.

    Thank you for all that you have done. Thank you for inspiring us on a daily basis. And thank you for listening to President Clinton when he told you about his conversation with Rumana. We love you. All of us do, and we need you.

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    Lady! We Want You! Now!
    December 10, 2011 by still4hill

    For a long time I have not allowed a day to go by without a new post. I needed a really terrific reason to displace last night’s entry. The response has been amazing! Hillary’s army is so solid and eloquent!

    Jen found something wonderful for me to share, and Rumana, of course, gave all of us the reason to believe.

    I said you should go to S4h FB page and see we are encouraging her. He put his hand on my shoulder and said if lot more people encourage her maybe she will run. I said Mr. President we are talking about 2012 please do something. He said she needs to know you are there for her and I said please tell her.

    Ronda’s Bowitch artistry simply blows me away

    Thank you Jen for finding this, and thank you Ronda for making it! Please, Hillary’s army, keep weighing in! She is looking at our comments! Hillary’s army, please weigh in! Tell her why we need her NOW!

    o Girl

  69. I’ll tell Still4Hill that some of you are having difficulty posting on her site. IIRC, if you’ve never commented there before you automatically go into moderation, so that’s probably what it is. But I’ll let her know just in case there’s obottery involved.

  70. Is anyone watching the Gringrich-Huntsman debate on CSPAN? Some are saying it was a good one (held earlier today)…

  71. Just what we need. another office regulating business… Obama’s Socialist tendencies are a myth.. lol
    ______________

    Obama establishes an Office of Manufacturing Policy

    At a time when economists say U.S. manufacturing policy is in “disarray,” the Obama administration on Monday said it has created a new Office of Manufacturing Policy to be co-chaired by the Commerce Department Secretary and the director of the White House National Economic Council.

    “At this make or break time for the middle class and our economy, we need a strong manufacturing sector that will put Americans back to work making products stamped with three proud words: Made in America,” President Barack Obama said in a statement.

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/obama-establishes-an-office-of-manufacturing-policy-rc3dhmr-135439343.html

  72. Chelsea did great! After her piece ran on a woman teaching school in Arkansas feeding her students three meals a day at her own expense. Williams asked Chelsea several follow up questions. She responded confidently with pertinent information not shown in the piece… and guess what.. NO teleprompter..

    congrats- Chelsea, you are a breath of fresh air compared to the scripted tv news heard everyday!

  73. How presidential- Obama treats our military equipment like a ball lost over a neighbor’s fence.. He didn’t do his job! He is a national security risk. The drone should have been destroyed.
    _________________

    Obama: Hey Iran, Can We Get Our Drone Back?

    President Barack Obama said today the U.S. has requested that Iran return the highly sensitive stealth drone that crash landed there two weeks ago, but an Iranian general already said that’s not going to happen.

    “We’ve asked for it back. We’ll see how the Iranians respond,” Obama said at a news conference. Obama said he wouldn’t comment further “on intelligence matters that are classified.”

    A senior Iranian military commander, however, said on Iranian television Sunday that not only would Iran not turn over the drone, but warned of a “bigger response” to the “hostile act” of crossing into Iranian airspace.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/obama-asks-iran-rq-170-sentinel-drone-back/story?id=15140133

  74. Anyone see 60 Minutes last night?

    Interview with Barry was harsh for the Kool-aid gang. They were a little testy and Barry was sweating and has puffy black circles under his eyes…lips are blacker than ever so he must be chain smoking on the golf courses……..

  75. Shadowfax
    December 12th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Anyone see 60 Minutes last night?

    Interview with Barry was harsh for the Kool-aid gang. They were a little testy and Barry was sweating and has puffy black circles under his eyes…lips are blacker than ever so he must be chain smoking on the golf courses……..
    &&&&&&

    Agreed, he had trouble dealing with the softball questions, paraphrasing here for entertainment:

    Q: “People say you suck as president”.

    instead of framing the question like a Pro (that is, say Bill Clinton, or that nice Sec. of State lady), he winds up inarticulately trying to pull off that act:

    A: “Well, I can see where people say I suck. I mean, look at my track record. It sucks. Unemployment is getting better, except when you account for the weird bookkeeping that does not count ‘those who left the workforce’…so that makes me look sucky.”

    Q: “Do you have ANY idea of what you’re doing”.

    A: “I’d be lying to you if I said I did”.

  76. We must all support and encourage Hillary to stay
    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton records interviews for American TV shows in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, Oct. 23, 2011. Hillary Clinton argues in our cover story this week, now available online to subscribers, that America is not so much in decline as adjusting to a world of increasingly diffuse power, where like-minded networked individuals, non-governmental organizations and other non-traditional global actors may steer events as much as great power capitals. Clinton lays out “smart power” strategies for protecting and advancing U.S. interests in that new non-polar world.
    We argue that Clinton is something of an expert at coming up with strategies for maximizing limited power given her life experiences, including being a First Lady with high visibility but little official swat, and a Secretary of State in the administration of her former rival, President Obama, who makes the final call on most major foreign policy and national security decisions with a small group of aides at the White House—and without Clinton.

    The story is told largely through the lens of the very limited war in Libya, which is in many ways Clinton’s war, thanks to her efforts lining up the Arab and European coalitions that fought it. We have some good reporting on her trip there last week, as well as on the internal and external challenges she faced in advancing the cause of intervention. We also lay out the ways in which Libya remains dangerously unpredictable, and underscore areas where her new strategies are more talk than action.

    Lastly, we polled her against Romney and Perry, and found that she does better, by far, than Obama, leading Romney by 17 points and Perry by 26*. Her closest aides strongly dismiss any 2012 ambitions and say 2016 is very unlikely: she’d be 69 the day of the vote that year. We don’t speculate on the source of her popularity.

    One item that came up in research but didn’t fit with the piece. Clinton has been talking about the limits of power from her first moment on the public stage–her rambling, idealistic speech to the graduating class of 1969 at Wellesley. In it, she refers to her favorite passage from T.S. Eliot’s “East Coker” about trying again and again in the face of resistance. It’s not my favorite poem—I like my inter-war humanism without the religious overlay. But it gives a sense of just how long Clinton has been thinking about power and how to leverage it:

    …What there is to conquer

    By strength and submission, has already been discovered

    Once or twice, or several times, by men whom one cannot hope

    To emulate—but there is no competition—

    There is only the fight to recover what has been lost

    And found and lost again and again: and now, under conditions

    That seem unpropitious. But perhaps neither gain nor loss.

    For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.
    *A national poll conducted for TIME on Oct. 9 and 10 found that if Clinton were the Democratic nominee for President in 2012, she would best Mitt Romney 55% to 38%, Rick Perry 58% to 32% and Herman Cain 56% to 34% among likely voters in a general election. The same poll found that President Obama would edge Romney by just 46% to 43%, Perry by 50% to 38% and Cain by 49% to 37% among likely voters

    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/27/hillary-clinton-and-the-limits-of-power/#ixzz1gNnYGkVZin the race.Just look at these reasons that indicate she is the most popular of all candidates of all parties.

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  77. They will always be America’s first family always giving more of themselves and our country and winning the respect world wide. True life-long patriots.

    —————————————————- Media-shy Chelsea Clinton explains her new role as television journalist for one of America’s biggest networks
    She was a young woman who long shunned the cameras, but on Monday Chelsea Clinton will make her debut in an implausible new role – as a television correspondent.

    Miss Clinton, 31, has landed a stint as a contributor to NBC News Photo: REX By Philip Sherwell, New York
    8:00AM GMT 11 Dec 2011
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    The once media-averse daughter of Bill and Hillary Clinton begins a three-month stint as a contributor to the NBC network with a segment about a children’s charity in Arkansas, where she grew up when her father was governor.

    Two days later, Miss Clinton, a keen ballerina, will host a live broadcast of The Nutcracker to be transmitted through the American Forces Network to US troops serving overseas.

    At the age of 31, the former first daughter is emerging into the national spotlight after years of studiously avoiding it.

    She recently attended her first board meeting at a leading internet media company, is a regular at fundraising events and receptions for her favourite causes, including a party in London last week for her father’s Clinton Foundation, and in August hosted a star-studded 65th birthday party in Hollywood for the former president.

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    This flurry of activity – much of it philanthropic but, in the case of her new board position, well-remunerated – would not be unusual for the offspring of many high-profile parents.

    But for Miss Clinton, it marks a dramatic transition as she has finally accepted, if not quite yet embraced, the role of a public figure.

    And it was not her instantly-recognisable and often apparently ubiquitous parents who finally inspired her to step out of the shadows.

    Rather, she has told friends that it was conversations with her late maternal grandmother, Dorothy Rodham, that provided the catalyst for her to stop “pretending she was not Chelsea Clinton”.

    “I took what she [her grandmother] said seriously – that I had led an inadvertently public life for a long time and maybe it was time to start leading a purposely public life,” she told The New York Times in what is believed to be her first media interview.

    Even when Miss Clinton campaigned relentlessly for her mother during the 2008 presidential campaign, she refused to speak to the media, famously declining to answer a question from a nine-year-old “kid reporter” for a children’s news service.

    But Mrs Rodham, who died last month aged 92, gave the advice that is now shaping Miss Clinton’s new approach. “She told me being Chelsea Clinton had happened to me, and outside of my advocacy work and campaigning for my Mom, I wasn’t doing enough in the world,” she said.

    On the campaign trail for her mother, she drew large crowds, particularly on college campuses, and became an increasingly confident public speaker. She then returned to academia, taking a master’s degree in public health at Columbia and now pursuing a doctorate in public policy at New York University.

    But her conversations with her grandmother about taking on a public role continued, even as she also focused on her marriage last summer to her long-time boyfriend Marc Mezvinsky, a banker. Indeed, those chats were often at their most intense “when Marc and I were being hounded by the paparazzi for the silly reason du jour”, she said.

    “As with every decision, I talked to my grandmother about it, and she told me what she had always told me that life is not about what happens to you, but what you do with what happens to you.”

    Earlier this year, she greeted Elton John and Richard Gere at a Aids foundation gala also attended by Barry Diller, boss of the internet media company IAC/InterActiveCorp.

    Soon afterwards, he asked her to join the board, with an annual remuneration of $50,000 (£32,000) and stock options of $250,000 (£160,000).

    But she had more ambitious plans for discarding her reclusive early adulthood and talked with her family, her close-knit circle of friends and veteran advisers of the family. The result was her contract with NBC News as a contributor to its Making A Difference series.

    Even as scandals swirled around them, the Clintons sheltered her from scrutiny during her teenage years in the White House and she continued largely to eschew publicity during her university days at Stanford and Oxford. She moved to New York in 2003, working with the consulting firm McKinsey and then the Avenue Capital Group, a private equity company run by a family friend.

    She then returned to her studies, even while taking a greater role at the Clinton Foundation and campaigning and fundraising on causes close to her heart, most notably gay marriage rights.

    She has also weathered tabloid speculation about the health of her young marriage after Mr Mezvinsky spent much of last winter skiing in Wyoming while Miss Clinton commuted between weekends at their rented home there and New York.

    The IAC appointment and her new position with NBC have earned criticism in some quarters that Miss Clinton is the beneficiary of her famous name as much as her talent.

    President George W Bush’s daughter Jenna is also an occasional correspondent and interviewer for the same network.

    There were raised eyebrows for the explanation given by NBC News president Steve Capus why, at a time of newsroom cutbacks, someone with no journalistic experience and who has spent most of her adult life shying away from the media has been signed.

    “Chelsea is a remarkable woman who will be a great addition to NBC News,” he said. “Given her vast experiences, it’s as though Chelsea has been preparing for this opportunity her entire life.”

    In another display of her new-found willingness to open up, she set up a Facebook page three months ago. Her most recent entry, after her return from London, stated: “Happy to be back home with Marc and Soren [the couple’s Yorkshire terrier, named after the philosopher Soren Kierkegaard] after a week on the road.”

    In a country where political dynasties are commonplace, it has not been lost on some Democrat strategists that there will be no Clinton holding public office for first time in three decades when, as expected, Hillary steps down as secretary of state next year.

    Another intriguing scenario has been discussed by some Democrats in New York – that she might be persuaded to run for Congress

  78. rgb44hr

    Anyone see 60 Minutes last night?

    ———

    Agreed, he had trouble dealing with the softball questions, paraphrasing here for entertainment:

    Q: “People say you suck as president”.

    instead of framing the question like a Pro (that is, say Bill Clinton, or that nice Sec. of State lady), he winds up inarticulately trying to pull off that act:

    A: “Well, I can see where people say I suck. I mean, look at my track record. It sucks. Unemployment is getting better, except when you account for the weird bookkeeping that does not count ‘those who left the workforce’…so that makes me look sucky.”

    Q: “Do you have ANY idea of what you’re doing”.

    A: “I’d be lying to you if I said I did”.

    ……………..

    You pretty much nailed the conversation except you forgot all the stuttering and defeated looks from Barry. 😉

  79. Chuck Todd affirms NBC bias. Just minutes before Chelsea’s debut, Todd managed to wrap up his Newt/Mitt coverage with a dig at Hillary 2008.

  80. beyond disgusted at the comments on articles about Chelsea’s debut on NBC last night. Won’t even post the articles but holy hell are the anti clintonites out in force this morning. I thought she did very well.

  81. A Rep Radio host is offering Gingrich $1M to bow out of the campaign. Interesting. At least the Reps are upfront about it. With Hillary, they had to sequestor the Delegates at the convention so they could fraud the vote.

  82. 12 December 2011
    Hey, stop this dangerous candidate! He’s told the truth!
    Melanie Phillips
    http://www.melaniephillips.com/hey-stop-this-dangerous-candidate-hes-told-the-truth

    US presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich (whose Lazarus-like trajectory to the Republican nomination I flagged up here a month ago) has recently demonstrated yet again Melanie’s First Rule of Modern Political Discourse – the more obvious the truth that you utter, the more explosive and abusive the reaction.
    For Gingrich said the Palestinian Arabs were ‘an invented people’ – and the world promptly started hurling execrations at him, as if such a statement proved beyond doubt that Gingrich was indeed a dangerously extreme individual who, when it came to political positioning, was just off the graph altogether.
    So just what did he say? This:

    ‘ “Remember, there was no Palestine as a state — (it was) part of the Ottoman Empire. I think we have an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and historically part of the Arab community and they had the chance to go many places…” ’
    But of course, he is absolutely correct. As Elder of Ziyon pointed out, the Arabs who lived in Palestine were a disconnected bunch of tribes who had nothing in common with each other except that they were Arabs. They never were, are not and never will be a Palestinian people (the claim that they are now just because they say they are is risible and would be dismissed out of hand if applied to any other self-defined grouping). There is not and never has been any ‘Palestinian’ Arab culture, language, religion or national identity separate from that of the wider Arab nation. ‘Palestinianism’ was invented solely to destroy Israel. The one and only characteristic of this spurious ‘national’ identity is the aim of destroying another — authentic — national identity.

    The Arabs have themselves repeatedly admitted this over the years.Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, the Syrian Arab leader told the British Peel Commission in 1937:
    “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.”
    …continues

  83. Dem lawmaker blasts “Prof. Obama” as arrogant, alienating
    By Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) – 12/13/11 06:05 AM ET

    After observing President Obama for the last three years, it has become obvious to me that the President might prefer to be a university professor rather than do the job he holds today. While he may not realize that he feels this way, the evidence is very clear to those who work with or watch him closely.
    Let me be clear, I’m not trying to disparage professors. But anyone who wonders why the President is not crushing the weak Republican field only needs to examine how President Obama has behaved more like Professor Obama:

    “IDEA DISEASE”
    In the President’s first year in office, his administration suffered from what I call “idea disease.” Every week, and sometimes almost every day, the administration rolled out a new program for the country. There was no obvious prioritization and, after the rollout, very little effort to actually pass the latest idea/imperative/plan/edict.
    Instead, the new programs just kept coming, with the new proposals constantly stepping on the previous day’s message. This rampant “idea disease” squandered the tremendous goodwill generated by the Obama campaign’s message of “hope,” tainting the President’s personal appeal. As Democrats in Congress, we often felt like we were drinking water out of a fire hose, trying to simultaneously deal with past failures of the Bush administration and the avalanche of new initiatives from Obama. This lack of focus also made it easy for Congressional Republicans to stall and foil many of President Obama’s best initiatives — which they did with relish!

    “I’M RIGHT, YOU’RE WRONG”
    Early in his administration, President/Professor Obama repeatedly referred to “teaching moments.” He would admonish staff, members of Congress and the public, in speeches and in private, about what they could learn from him. Rather than the ideological or corrupt “I’m above the law” attitudes of some past administrations, President Obama projected an arrogant “I’m right, you’re wrong” demeanor that alienated many potential allies. Furthermore, the President concentrated power within the White House, leaving cabinet members with no other option but to dutifully carry out policies with which they had limited input in crafting and might very well disagree. From my experience, this was especially true in the environmental, resources, housing and employment areas. Not by coincidence, these areas have also been responsible for much of the President’s harshest critiques.

    LECTURES vs. LISTENING
    One former administration official told me directly that the people in the White House “NEVER TALK TO REAL PEOPLE.” Another former Obama staffer confided to me that it was clear to him that the President didn’t mind giving speeches (lectures), but really avoided personal contact with members of Congress and folks outside the beltway. “He doesn’t seem to derive energy from spending time with regular people the way Clinton did. He rallies to give speeches for the big crowds, but avoids individual contact,” the former staffer recalled. This “arms-length” attitude extends to top decision-makers in the President’s Administration. A senior housing official recently told me that, despite the fact that he was responsible for crafting policies to stem the foreclosure crisis, he had personally never met with a homeowner who had been foreclosed on.
    The President’s disinterest in input from those outside his inner circle is costing him many wasted opportunities. Recently, a Senator told me Obama went to his/her state, but issued an invitation for the Senator to attend the event only the day before. “I represent a must-win state and lead the President in approval ratings by nearly 20 points. He was totally off-message for what my people wanted to hear. Doesn’t the White House get it? I don’t need him, he needs ME!”

    Many on the Democratic side wish Hillary, Governor Jerry Brown (CA), Governor Martin O’Malley (MD) or Governor Andrew Cuomo (NY) were running instead, but the President still has time to learn a thing or two from these skilled politicians. I’ll still take Professor Obama over the “goat rodeo clowns” the Republican field offers, but I fear the overall student body – American voters – will give him a failing grade next November if he doesn’t improve his performance.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/cardozas-corner/198861-the-professorial-president

  84. Take a look at todays schedule and it will disprove the rumors and lies being spread Hillary’s health.Must have come from Bo and his private anti-
    truth squad.Our wonder woman keeps on the go and will do so up to her last day at State.
    —————————————————-
    Public Schedule for December 13, 2011

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    December 13, 2011

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON:
    9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the assistant secretaries, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    12:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with UAE Foreign Minister Abdullah bin Zayed, in Washington, DC.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with President of Bosnia and Herzegovina Zeljko Komsic, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEDING BILATERAL MEETING)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 3:15 p.m. from the 23rd Street Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 3:45 p.m. from the 23rd Street Lobby.

    6:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton hosts a holiday reception for the diplomatic corps, at the Department of State.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE

  85. the Arabs who lived in Palestine were a disconnected bunch of tribes who had nothing in common with each other except that they were Arabs. They never were, are not and never will be a Palestinian people (the claim that they are now just because they say they are is risible and would be dismissed out of hand if applied to any other self-defined grouping). There is not and never has been any ‘Palestinian’ Arab culture, language, religion or national identity separate from that of the wider Arab nation.

    =========================

    Huh? The fact that you have lived together somewhere — for how long? — isn’t enough to give you some right to go on living there? Or go on living together somewhere else?

    Instead there’s some ethnic standard you’re supposed to meet?

  86. Axelrod Sets Sights on Gingrich

    At briefing for reporters, Chicagoan says of the Georgian: “The higher a monkey climbs on the pole the more you can see his butt.”

    …………………………………………………………..

    If a republican had said that, they would be trying to lynch him from the highest tree screaming racist.

  87. US open borders with Barry at the wheel…
    MO and BO can go on extream vacations and spend our tax dollars like fools, but…

    ——-

    Citing budget cuts, the Obama administration early next year will cut the number of National Guard troops patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border by at least half, according to a congressman who was briefed on the plan.

    The National Guard said an announcement will be made by the White House “in the near future,” but Rep. Duncan Hunter, a California Republican who has learned of the plans, said slashing the deployment in half is the minimum number, and he said it will mean reshuffling the remaining troops along the nearly 2,000-mile border.

    In California, that will mean going from 264 guard troops down to just 14, he said.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/12/obama-slash-national-guard-force-us-mexico-border/

  88. Are they freaking nuts slashing the NG troops like that…..talk about handing the republicans a bludgeon in an election year.

  89. video at link:

    Cheney: Why didn’t Obama just destroy the drone when he had the chance?

    That’s a good question — and according to former VP Dick Cheney’s contacts, Barack Obama didn’t lack for options to keep the highly-classified drone from falling into the Iranian military’s hands. In an interview with CNN’s Erin Burnett, Cheney wonders why Obama didn’t order an air strike on the downed aircraft while he still had the chance.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/13/cheney-why-didnt-obama-just-destroy-the-drone-when-he-had-the-chance/
    ___________

    My question is this: How was the drone taken down in the first place. Photos of the captured drone released by Iran show the plane is intact. They are claiming it was shot down… looks more like it was landed in Iran.

    Somebody knows something. I hope they spill!

  90. lil ole grape
    December 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    12 December 2011
    Hey, stop this dangerous candidate! He’s told the truth!

    Melanie Phillips
    …….

    Thanks for posting the original article- very interesting over all.

    Melanie posts an interesting link:

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/12/invented-people-in-18th-century.html

    David Jorowitz et Guy Millière just released a book ” how the Palestinian people was invented “

    hope it will be translated in many languages h.. w… israel7.co…

  91. Can you believe there is an update on the Cleric banning women from touching bananas and cucumbers? Oy!

    Here is the gist of it:

    “The opinion has stirred a fire storm of irony and denouncement among Muslims online, with hundreds of comments mocking the cleric.”

    “One reader said that these religious “leaders” give Islam “a bad name” and another commented said that he is a “retarded” person and he must quit his post immediately.”

    “No word on whether men may touch cantaloupes or watermelons.”

    “Then again, perhaps Muslim men shouldn’t be handling guns either.”

  92. “I can’t decide who’s worse-

    The declasse Axelrod or the retarded cleric.”
    __________

    The scary thought-

    These two extremes are in control of our destiny!

  93. For whatever reasons this week Obama’s approval ratings have gone up to over 45% with a disapproval of only -3.0% on RCP. This is troubling as he slowly moves closer to the 50% mark with a slow, but steady improvement in the economy. I don’t see now how anyone can beat him.

  94. Trump debate appearance canceled

    Comments (102) By ALEXANDER BURNS | 12/13/11 2:05 PM EST
    This just in: Donald Trump has bowed out of moderating the Newsmax debate in Iowa later, announcing his decision in a statement saying he will not give up the option of running for president as an independent. Trump:

    The Republican Party candidates are very concerned that sometime after the final episode of The Apprentice, on May 20th, when the equal time provisions are no longer applicable to me, I will announce my candidacy for President of the United States as an Independent and that, unless I conclusively agree not to run as an Independent, they will not agree to attend or be a part of the Newsmax debate scheduled for December 27, 2011. It is very important to me that the right Republican candidate be chosen to defeat the failed and very destructive Obama Administration, but if that Republican, in my opinion, is not the right candidate, I am not willing to give up my right to run as an Independent candidate. Therefore, so that there is no conflict of interest within the Republican Party, I have decided not to be the moderator of the Newsmax debate. The American people are embarrassed by the gridlock currently taking place in Washington. I must leave all of my options open because, above all else, we must make America great again!

  95. Continuued…

    I would like to thank Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum for having the courage, conviction, and confidence to immediately accept being a part of the Newsmax debate. I believe this would not only have been the most watched debate, but also the most substantive and interesting debate!

    RATS !!!!!!!

  96. Can you believe there is an update on the Cleric banning women from touching bananas and cucumbers? Oy!

    Here is the gist of it:

    “The opinion has stirred a fire storm of irony and denouncement among Muslims online, with hundreds of comments mocking the cleric.”

    “One reader said that these religious “leaders” give Islam “a bad name” and another commented said that he is a “retarded” person and he must quit his post immediately.”

    “No word on whether men may touch cantaloupes or watermelons.”

    =======================

    It’s very believable that the great majority of Muslims would ridicule that silly cleric!

  97. Jet Fuel-Gate Is Obama’s New Solyndra

    12/13/2011

    Ecofanaticism: SolyndraGate was no isolated case of corrupt government misspending. The U.S. Navy was just forced to buy 450,000 gallons of biofuels from an Obama-connected firm at an outrageous $16 per gallon.

    The massive Obama stimulus was supposed to generate millions of jobs, but the $535 million loan guarantee it gave to solar panel maker Solyndra on the eve of its Chapter 11 bankruptcy illustrated the fundamental incompetence of Obama’s neo-Keynesian economic ideology.

    Now we find the Navy partnering with the Agriculture Department to purchase hundreds of thousands of gallons of alternative biofuel in place of standard JP-5 fuel for Navy aircraft — the biggest federal purchase of biofuel ever.

    It’s part of the White House’s “we can’t wait for Congress” strategy as the 2012 election year looms. But JP-5 typically costs less than $4 a gallon. If a family on a budget started filling up with $16-a-gallon gas, it might want to adopt the motto, “we can’t wait to go broke.”

    A look at the lucky seller of this environmentalist version of the proverbial $600 Pentagon toilet seat indicates that the move is not just wasteful, but ethically suspect.

    As J.E. Dyer noted over the weekend on the Hot Air Green Room, “a member of Obama’s presidential transition team, T. J. Glauthier, is a ‘strategic advisor’ at Solazyme, the California company that is selling a portion of the biofuel to the Navy. Glauthier worked — shock, shock — on the energy-sector portion of the 2009 stimulus bill.”

    Solazyme had already gotten a nearly $22 million chunk of change out of the taxpayers thanks to the 2009 stimulus. We heard the ludicrous excuse last week from Obama Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, as quoted in the National Journal, that “we are doing this for one simple reason: It makes us better fighters” because “our use of fossil fuels is a very real threat to our national security and to the U.S. Navy ability to protect America and project power overseas.”

    What about the “very real threat” to the Navy of not having enough money for the ships, fighters and ammunition it needs to protect America? President Obama’s assault on the Pentagon could scrap 60 of the Navy’s ships, including two carrier groups.

    The biofuel will be used next summer by — we’re not making this up — “the Great Green Fleet Carrier Strike Force” in exercises near Hawaii. Mabus painted the picture of America’s great naval force advancing from sails to coal to diesel to nuclear, and now finally to biofuels. But if we keep starving the Navy, it may soon not have enough loose change to repair the sails on Old Ironsides.

    And this is only the beginning of this two-for-one bad deal — swindling taxpayers while ravaging national security. Obama’s Agriculture and Energy departments and Navy plan to spend $510 million over three years buying biofuel for military and commercial purposes, bypassing Congress by “leveraging Defense Department procurement.”

    “Green Fleet” is another of Obama’s “borrowings” from Teddy Roosevelt, whose 1907-09 Great White Fleet — so called because the armada’s ships were painted white — circumnavigated the globe to enforce treaties, protect U.S. possessions and show the world that America had become a superpower.

    But Obama’s jolly green Navy is a lot more PR than TR. So much so that at a conference last year, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead found himself publicly insisting that the Green Fleet was not a “public relations gimmick,” claiming that “it’s more than simply ‘how green can we be seen?'”

    Meaner, not greener, is what the U.S. Navy should be getting. Spending four times as much for biofuels may impress the Democratic Party’s environmentalist special interests. But to Russia’s Vladimir Putin, North Korea’s Kim Jong Il, Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other U.S. adversaries, it will be a sign of weakness and an invitation for aggression.

    http://news.investors.com/Article.aspx?id=594703&p=2

  98. A BLAST FROM THE PAST:

    Obama Spends Sunday in New Jersey for Corzine – NYTimes.com
    By JOSEPH BERGER
    Published: November 1, 2009
    On a campaign swing through New Jersey to help the re-election bid of Gov. Jon S. Corzine, President Obama on Sunday blamed Republicans for the state’s economic crisis and urged the crowd in Camden to convince their friends and relatives to vote on Tuesday.
    “For the past four years, you’ve had an honorable man at the helm of this state,” Mr. Obama said to the crowd of more than 3,500 people. “It wasn’t a consequence of Obama’s policies or Corzine’s policies that we went into this hole. There seems to be some selective memory going on here.”

    The New Jersey race is one of two gubernatorial elections being held on Tuesday, the other in Virginia. On Tuesday, Mr. Obama campaigned with R. Creigh Deeds, the Democratic candidate for governor, who is striving to overcome a deficit in money and momentum in the closing days of his campaign against Robert F. McDonnell. The president urged his supporters to stand behind Mr. Deeds and keep a Democrat in the governor’s office.

    The president, scheduled to appear at five New Jersey events before sundown, landed in the World Series-obsessed city of Philadelphia and was met by Mr. Corzine, who traveled with him to Susquehanna Bank Center in downtown Camden. He said Mr. Corzine, being challenged by the Republican Christopher J. Christie, was steering the state “during one of the most difficult periods in its history.”

    “I know these are challenging times,” Mr. Obama said. “Jon knows these are challenging times. This is why he got into public service, He didn’t do it for a paycheck. He did it because he knew we can do better.”

    “He’s one of the best partners I have in the White House,” the president said at another point. “We work together. We know our work is far from over.”

    During his 24-minute talk, he told the enthusiastic audience to not only vote themselves but also prod their friends and relatives to go to the polls.

    “You’re going to need to get Cousin Pookie off the couch and say ‘Pookie, it’s time to go vote,’ ”Mr. Obama said. “You’ve all got a Cousin Pookie. You know whom I’m talking about.”

    Mr. Corzine, introducing Mr. Obama, had already tried to fire up the crowd with echoes of Mr. Obama’s 2008 campaign slogan.

    “A year ago we went out to the polls, just like we are going to go on Tuesday and we said, ‘Yes we can!’ ” he said. “So I’m here to ask you a simple question. Are you ready to keep it going. Then I need you to vote.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/nyregion/02rally.html

  99. Mrs. Smith, yes, I also read the article at elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/12/invented-people-in-18th-century.html. From there I went to the Encyclo Britannnica and am checking out references quoted there. I don’t like Newt Gingrich but he does understand the ME situation — he went straight to the core, while his critics, lacking the historical facts, are hysterically shadowboxing in the dark.

  100. “Our First Lady Of THe World” is just as busy as ever doing her job as SoS and saving the party from obliteration by the “Odd Couple in the badly wounded White Hous and every thing they touch not to mention the our Treasury.Call ORKIN to the Primary.

  101. I have looked at today’ s polls and except for a generic republican, Obama is significantly ahead of all GOP contenders except Romney who he now leads by 2% points.

  102. As I’ve said, I don’t like Newt, but here’s a point of view worth considering …
    Explaining Newt — December 12, 2011 – 10:22 pm – by Roger L Simon
    http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/author/rogersimon/
    ——————
    Perry is talking against gays in the military. I’ve always wanted to ask these opponents of gays in the military why they would rather sacrifice the lives of straights instead of those of gays. Do straights make better cannon fodder?

  103. New Haven Asks State to Allow Non-Citizens to Vote

    http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/New-Haven-Asks-State-to-Allow-Non-Citizens-to-Vote–135569598.html

    New Haven Mayor John DeStefano plans to ask the state Legislature to allow illegal immigrants who live in the city to be able vote in municipal elections.

    DeStefano said on Tuesday that the proposal would build a more engaged community and follows the lead of other cities, the New Haven Register reports.

    The Register reports that 10,000 to 12,000 undocumented residents are believed to live in New Haven.

    Immigrants who are in the U.S. legally or illegally and cannot vote now would still be unable to vote in state or federal elections.

    DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.

    New Haven made national headlines in 2007 when the city approved a program that provides municipal identification cards for all residents — including illegal immigrants — to provide access to services such as banking and the library.

    …………………………………….

    Barmy.

  104. This came in a Newsmax email:

    “Former President Bill Clinton will pitch in on President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign. Obama campaign manager Jim Messina told reporters that Clinton “will be out there with us,” Politico reported.

    At a briefing with reporters, Messina said that he and strategist David Axelrod spent time with Clinton last month to discuss his role in the campaign.”

    What does this mean? This is so baffling? What is the truth? Is there a case for Obama? Who should I believe Bill Clinton or my lying eyes? Am I just as misled and blinded against Obama as I was for democrats all those years? If Obama/Axelrod have a way to twist Clintons into doing their bidding than will they please tell us or just retire from any public life altogether.

  105. lil ole grape
    December 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    “I don’t like Newt Gingrich but he does understand the ME situation — he went straight to the core, while his critics, lacking the historical facts, are hysterically shadowboxing in the dark.”
    ___________

    Exactly- and the one most in the dark concerning historical facts is… Obama. I wish someone would ask him to name all the presidents in chronological order. That is if you can stand watching him stammer and stutter after George Washington…

    After reading Simon’s article focused on Newt being an idea kind of person, with that I can agree- Is the public so sick and tired of Obama they might prefer Gingrich sitting in the seat of power? Too soon to tell. If Newt proceeds to hammer Obama weekly with a new verifiable revelation of bad or criminal behavior, I believe Obama’s numbers will plummet with each and every solid damaging delivery.

    Gingrich may not make it to be the next president. But he sure can help us getting rid of Obama- The worst he can do at this point is redeeming himself in the eyes of a down trodden public who cringe every time they think of the baggage top heavy as it is, he would bring to the WH if elected. We need a clean break to bring back the prestige of the US presidency and the respect of the world.

    If he can clear the way for Hillary, I would be forever grateful.

  106. Betty
    December 14th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Newsmax and Politico are not considered reliable sources- not for us anyway…

    When you hear BC say it himself is when you can believe it.

  107. Wow…………….lets hope this goes somewhere.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/13/grand-jury-begins-probe-of-bankrupt-solyndra/

    Grand jury begins probe of Solyndra
    Attorneys’ billing shows preparation

    A grand jury has begun investigating Solyndra LLC, the failed California solar-panel maker that lost more than a half-billion dollars in federal loans, according to law-firm billing records.

    Weeks after Solyndra filed for bankruptcy in September, a judge allowed the company to hire a law firm to represent it in what court records at the time called a “federal criminal investigation.”

    Now the firm, K&L Gates, has filed with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware a detailed, hour-by-hour account of how attorneys have been spending their time. Most of their efforts have focused on what the firm called the U.S. attorney’s office and Department of Justice investigation of Solyndra.

    In an 18-page invoice from the law firm dated Dec. 9, the words “grand jury” appear numerous times: “Prepare response to grand jury subpoena,” one entry reads. Another said, “Review and prepare documents to respond to grand jury subpoena.”

    The invoices also point to a meeting on Oct. 14 between K&L Gates attorney Jeffrey L. Bornstein, a former federal prosecutor in San Francisco, and an assistant U.S. attorney identified in the billing records only as “J. Nedrow.”

    Jeffrey Nedrow is an assistant U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California, which is the same office overseeing the Solyndra investigation. Mr. Nedrow was a prosecutor in the criminal trial against former San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds.

    Yet another entry refers to a telephone call with “AUSA” — an abbreviation in legal circles that refers to assistant U.S. attorney — “regarding grand jury subpoena.”

    The formation of an investigative grand jury would mark a significant development in the criminal investigation into Solyndra, which saw its offices raided by the FBI within days of its bankruptcy filing in September.

    “The subpoenas would be just the tip of the iceberg,” said Laurie Levenson, a former federal prosecutor and now a law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. “The first things to happen in grand juries are subpoenas to collect every possible document you can.”

    Federal authorities aren’t commenting on the probe. Jack Gillund, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office, declined to comment Tuesday when asked about a grand jury.

    In an email Tuesday, Mr. Bornstein said, “Solyndra is continuing to cooperate with the United States Attorney’s Office in connection with its investigation.”

    Grand jury subpoena

    When Solyndra first sought to hire K&L Gates as special counsel, attorneys for the solar company cited the firm’s familiarity with the federal investigation and “many of the potential issues that may arise in the context of that investigation and potential litigation.”

    K&L Gates attorneys reported 326 hours of work from Sept. 12 to Nov. 30, with rates ranging from $310 per hour for a paralegal to $640 per hour for Mr. Bornstein, who worked just over 80 hours. Another attorney worked about 50 hours at a rate of $525 per hour.

    In recent court papers, the law firm described its work representing Solyndra as being “in connection with the United States Attorney’s Office & Department of Justice investigation of debtors.” The firm said in the filings that it worked with Solyndra on the production and review of documents, as well as responding “to subpoenas and other law enforcement requests.”

    read on……………..

  108. jb, you only seem to trumpet approval ratings when the favor the jackass-in-chief. Do you honestly believe that only 2.6% more people disapprove of him than approve of him? That is absolute rubbish. I know of NO ONE who approves of the guy: not a single soul.

  109. Here comes the dictator…go ahead try it and lets see how long it takes for your ass to hit the pavement.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/12/14/obama_where_congress_is_not_willing_to_act_were_going_to_go_ahead_and_do_it_ourselves.html

    Obama: “Where Congress Is Not Willing To Act, We’re Going To Go Ahead And Do It Ourselves”

    In an interview with KOAA-TV, a local news channel from Colorado Springs, Colorado, President Obama says if Congress is not willing to pass legislation he wants, he will do it himself in order to win another term. Read the transcript below.

    Rob Quirk, KOAA-TV: “And one year from today we will know if this a one-term or two-term president. So, I asked the president what will it take from now until then to not only win Colorado again, but reelection as well.”

    President Obama: “Well, what we’re going to have to do is continue to make progress on the economy over the next several months. And where Congress is not willing to act, we’re going to go ahead and do it ourselves. But it would be nice if we could get a little bit of help from Capitol Hill.”

    ………………………

    Go on try the dictator route and see where it gets you.

  110. The Senate just recently passed a bill that suspends habeas corpus for American citizens, so declaring martial law and ruling as a dictator like President Marcos in the Philippines won’t be a stretch for the squatter-in-chief.

  111. I am just reporting what the numbers are and it is very distressing. Romney previously had a 2% lead over Obama but now it is vice versa. Generic republican candidate leads by 2% points. However, other than Romney, Obama has double digit leads over all other GOP’ers. I don’t know why I am the only one extremely upset over this recent upswing in the polls for Obama. Truthfully, as we have said all along, they have not offered a candidate other than Romney who has a chance.

  112. jb, these polls are seriously biased on sampling. They’re overcounting dems, and undercouting independents and gop.

    Obama won by how many % points on 08 when his approval was at its zenith. Do you seriously think he hasn’t lost sufficient offsetting support since november 08? The only way he’s going to win is if there is someone to split the gop vote. GOP and independents are going to be extremely motivated to get out and vote so as to throw him to the street. Aside from the 24-28% obots, dems are not thrilled with him, at all.

  113. jbstonesfan

    I don’t know why I am the only one extremely upset over this recent upswing in the polls for Obama.
    ———
    You are always upset over the polls on Obama. I won’t start to worry until closer to the election. We have all been stressed since 2007, so getting upset over polls this early is a waste of energy.

    I am more concerned that all the candidates suck and I am hoping that in the primary election, someone better steps up as an Independent.

  114. I am more concerned that all the candidates suck and I am hoping that in the primary election, someone better steps up as an Independent.
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    Chris Christie was our best shot and he ain’t running. Who else is there?(and lets not get into the Trump thing as he will also not run).

  115. oh, the irony- ho-hum!
    _____

    This is something to think about when negative people are doing their best to rain on your parade. So remember this story the next time someone who knows nothing and cares less tries to make your life miserable.

    A woman was at her hairdresser’s getting her hair styled for a trip to Rome with her husband..
    She mentioned the trip to the hairdresser, who
    responded:

    ” Rome? Why would anyone want to go there? It’s crowded and dirty.. You’re crazy to go to Rome So, how are you getting there?”

    “We’re taking Continental,” was the reply. “We got a great rate!”

    “Continental?” exclaimed the hairdresser..
    ” That’s a terrible airline. Their planes are old, their flight attendants are ugly, and they’re always late. So, where are you staying in Rome ?”

    “We’ll be at this exclusive little place over on Rome’s Tiber River called Teste.”

    “Don’t go any further… I know that place. Everybody thinks its gonna be something special and exclusive, but it’s really a dump.”

    “We’re going to go to see the Vatican and maybe get to see the Pope.”

    “That’s rich,” laughed the hairdresser. You and a million other people trying to see him. He’ll look the size of an ant.

    Boy, good luck on this lousy trip of yours. You’re going to need it.”

    A month later, the woman again came in for a hairdo. The hairdresser asked her about her trip to Rome.

    “It was wonderful,” explained the woman, “not only were we on time in one of Continental’s brand new planes, but it was overbooked, and they bumped us up to first class.. The food and wine were wonderful, and I had a handsome 28-year-old steward who waited on me hand and foot.

    And the hotel was great! They’d just finished a $5 million remodeling job, and now it’s a jewel, the finest hotel in the city. They, too, were overbooked, so they apologized and gave us their owner’s suite at no extra charge!”

    “Well,” muttered the hairdresser, “that’s all well and good, but I know you didn’t get to see the Pope.”

    “Actually, we were quite lucky, because as we toured the Vatican, a Swiss Guard tapped me on the shoulder, and explained that the Pope likes to meet some of the visitors, and if I’d be so kind as to step into his private room and wait, the Pope would personally greet me.

    Sure enough, five minutes later, the Pope walked through the door and shook my hand! I knelt down and he spoke a few words to me.”

    “Oh, really! What’d he say?”

    He said, “Who the Hell did your hair?”

  116. jbstonesfan
    December 14th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I am more concerned that all the candidates suck and I am hoping that in the primary election, someone better steps up as an Independent.
    ===================

    Chris Christie was our best shot and he ain’t running. Who else is there?(and lets not get into the Trump thing as he will also not run).
    ——-
    Christie was your choice, and Trump is mine if Hillary isn’t drafted.
    You don’t want to talk about Trump, and I don’t want any of the current R’s running, but I will vote for the strongest person running against Barry and that is that.

  117. Obama won by how many % points on 08 when his approval was at its zenith.

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    Iirc he won by 7%. Exit polls showed Hillary would have won by at least 12%, ie 5 more than Obama. (This didn’t count the Hillary supporters who stayed home but would have turned out for her.)

  118. Clinton’s Book Tops New York Times Best-Seller List

    Tuesday, 06 Dec 2011

    Former President Bill Clinton’s new book detailing his advice on how to fix the economy has become an immediate best-seller, landing on the New York Times top 10 list of nonfiction books for three straight weeks.

    Clinton’s “Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy” debuted at No. 3 among hardcover books, has also been a top seller on Amazon – where it’s held the number one spot for all Amazon books on its Politics list.

    Clinton’s book offers a blueprint for getting the country working again — a formula that President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans and Democrats alike “could” put into action even before the 2012 election.

    He outlines his “smart government” program in 46 actionable items.

    The Economist magazine strongly praised “Back to Work” and suggested, “The book has two main strengths that Mr. Obama would be wise to emulate.”

    First, the magazine suggests that Clinton offers a “credible long term” strategy for fixing the economy, one the country desperately needs and one open to deficit reduction.

    Secondly, the Economist notes that Clinton has been “scouring America and the world” for the best, creative ideas that have worked elsewhere and could be useful to American policymakers. The magazine also lauds Clinton’s bipartisan approach, one it notes that Obama should latch on to.

    The Times observes: “Mr. Clinton serves up a succinct common-sense argument for why America needs a strong national government, why both spending cuts and increased tax revenues are necessary for addressing the debt problem [which is going to get worse given the demographics of an aging baby-boomer population and the high costs of interest payments], and why that debt problem ‘can’t be solved unless the economy starts growing again.’”

    Editor’s Note: Get Bill Clinton’s new book“Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy” from Amazon at a great price —

  119. Newsmax and Politico are not considered reliable sources- not for us anyway…

    When you hear BC say it himself is when you can believe it.

    ====================

    ATlasShrugged is crazy, Ulsterman sounds phoney. Drudge and WND are old Clinton haters. Even with their faults, NYT and WP are probably the most reliable. Imo liberal pro and semi-pro sources such as Slate, Salon, ThinkProgress, etc usually have their facts right.

    I wonder if there are ANY news sources that EVERYONE here accepts. 😉 Maybe Sun Times (Chicago), Barone? LA Times?

    Imo other PUMA blogs give a good perspective (unless they’ve gone totally rightwing). DailyPuma.com has links to them all, updated with their current front pages.

  120. Of course you don’t know who Tim Tebow is. You seem to be the high priestess of political correctness with all things Islamic, or better yet, the blog’s resident Baathist. You’re much too busy paying attention to comments about Islam, and defending Islam against any perceived “negative” comments which imo are mostly valid viewpoints with regards to your choice of admiration. You see, Mr. Tebow is preaching his heart in the most unlikely of places, and he eschews the political correctness hurled at Christians from so many different directions. I’ve always the left’s support for Islam to be both troubling and in many ways contradictory. Why have I never seen you dedend Christianity in the manner that you defend Islam? That kind of peaks my interest with you.

  121. Ulsterman fake? Why is it that what he seems to write comes to light in other forums? He seems to be genuine to me, but no one knows for sure.

  122. I believe Ulsterman/Insider has some kind of access to what’s going on behind the scenes. I am not so sure as to whether or not those dialogues between Ulsterman and Insider are the real deal. That part may be fictional or at least greatly embellished. But Ulsterman’s blog has been right too many times for me to think it’s all fake.

  123. Nomobama,

    This really does say it all, no?

    “Even with their faults, NYT and WP are probably the most reliable. Imo liberal pro and semi-pro sources such as Slate, Salon, ThinkProgress, etc usually have their facts right.”

    ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh, and no doubt TDO would add him/her/self to the list of ‘reliable’ sources.

    Double ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  124. Jen the Michigander
    December 14th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I believe Ulsterman/Insider has some kind of access to what’s going on behind the scenes. I am not so sure as to whether or not those dialogues between Ulsterman and Insider are the real deal. That part may be fictional or at least greatly embellished. But Ulsterman’s blog has been right too many times for me to think it’s all fake.
    _______

    I agree- Ulsterman’s predictions on WH subject matter appears on the horizon long before it becomes a material event and common knowledge within the mainstream.

    He’s A-OK in my book.

  125. Excellent synopsis of the things we are fighting against daily here on pink-

    turndown.. Hard copy the entire post and read it everyday until you grasp what you are reading.
    ________

    This narrative is from a commentators post on Ulsterman’s blog:

    Americathebeautiful

    December 14, 2011

    [Obama’s] His black voters are being cajoled to come out in force…and not to believe their lyin’ eyes. There must be some people with more love for freedom than for melanin in this country! I do not believe 12% of my fellows citizens first allegiance is to this disastrous President

    Obama believes he can create enough race baiting hatred… he assumes blacks will once again simply vote race and cry racist when the avowed Obamunist starts being asked a few questions on what the heck he has done to this once great nation. Will black voters only see things through their race-colored lenses and whether there is a nuclear or any other attack on this country due to the insane things Obama has done with his czars and Soros’ financial backing…Obama believes his peeps will have plausible deniability based on his 12% Afro blood? I think not. Perhaps more should begin considering Obama’s allegiance to his Arab/Muslim/Communist roots and consider:

    (look things all up–please educate yourselves on these points and be damned scared)

    The Soros paid for- and Trumka/Stern rebel rouser led “Arab Spring” was a Muslim Brotherhood grab for global power to take over the largest army in the Middle East and to begin the complete destruction of the USA as they shimmy to war with Israel.

    Obama stopping all drilling in this country when the spill took place in the gulf by Obama’s business partner in Obama’s founded company– the CCX (Chicago Climate Exchange) , — BP (British Petroleum)– only to turn around and let China and Russia also drill in our gulf while giving 2Billion from the IMF (which is USA taxpayer money) to Brazil for drilling… funneled through a Soros held company to the detriment of the USA and her citizens. This scheme sent all drilling platforms away from the USA and our gulf for a minimum of 10 years!

    We’ve had tremendous luck in fracking that can bring great riches to the USA but Obama will not allow it…and has done everything he can to stand in the way using the EPA whom he controls…Funny how God keeps working against Obama and if one pays attention -reveals the true Obama.

    Two short days after it was reported that Soros (also CCX partner) and Obama’s CCX (Chicago Climate Exchange) were at the base of the entire Cap and Trade scheme …it was moved off shore. Ask what began that spill…those two men fighting on the drilling platform where only one of them died. Who was the other that survived. Who did he work for? Why no story or investigation there?

    The economy destroying and wealth redistribution scheme of the new Dodd-Frank Financial Regs meant to handcuff and destroy and slow our economy –did not apply to only one company…..Soros’ Family-held Hedge Fund ..

    The housing crisis…understand it came from Dems social engineering and punking of the banks–the SEC did nothing about those puke worthy bundled CDS why…Because their bosses were the ones making that vile scheme happen…Why oh why do you thing the 7 Trillion of secret monies from the Federal Reserve (which is supposed to fund only USA banks) was given to Foreign Banks?? Because we sent them a fake investment , al a Bernie Madoff, and we the taxpayer were given the bill as they printed more dollars which is tantamount to stealing money from your bank account people..and if it was not in your account now, it’s being taken out of all your future dollars. These thieving politicians used Freddie and Fannie as their own piggy bank destroying the mortgage business and our housing values..Oink Oink

    Obama has bought off and only let certain companies compete and thrive in his market place. Why do you think that traitor Jeffery Immelt leading GE is still in business much less a position of advise and consent power at all? Jack Welch was sick watching his successor destroy GE and now his country..Know his record before Obama took power…Immelt was ready to Obey Obama or be run out of business forever…

    Threatened out of business by Obama’s gestapo thugs is exactly what is happening today. Imagine this happening 3 years ago. You can not!

    Can you say “Gibson Guitars”…Their competitors use the same exact woods with nary a look…not a glance! Pay Obama or suffer the devastating consequences…

    Health care or in this case death panels..that is simply Obamacare in a nutshell…Perfect definition.. “nutshell” — those who continue to believe Obama’s lies contrary to all evidence..Many like AARP are now destroyed brands for going along with the putrid healthcare scam…which is only a shortcut to communism. Read Alinsky and Robert Cremer “Stand Up Straight”

    Fast and Furious…Originally called Direct Commerce??! Why?

    Obama’s Justice Department led by racist Holder was selling over 2,000 AK 47′s to drug cartels who were certain to kill with those guns…and laundering the monies for the drug cartels??!…Called a “two-fer— Prepare to take away gun rights in the USA while the UN calls for same and raise some easy drug bucks toward that billion dollar thresh-hold for re-election. Guess Obummer learned this when he was a druggie dealing…Back to form…

    What will it take to wake up?? Today Obama asked “pretty please” for our exceptional war protection Drone back from Iran? Did Obama bend over and ask through his legs to beg Achmadinadevil for the drone? Kiss his butt? Ask how exactly did we have that one drone fall? And it happened to fall directly in one piece into the last person’s hands the USA defense would want to have our drone??How did that drone fall?

    Ask what were a full Seal Team six of 39 exceptional men were doing on one single set up decrepit old plane flying low? Did it say on the side “we’re the Seal Team Six –best protector of USA Freedom and Killers of Osama–Shoot us down” on its fat belly???!!

    Ask how did the one top expert John Wheeler III, who knew all the USA’S bio warfare play book and Finacial scams playbook happen to be killed and thrown into a dumpster. No press notice. A few more than suspicious retired patriotic generals and classmates from West Point called foul… asked about a deeply knowledgeable source and fellow patriot..Not buying it…Who killed Jack Wheeler III and why does no one care in light of falling microwaved birds and fish by 100′s of thousands and the stolen treasure of the USA via the Fed, The banks, the financial sector and our debased currency…Who killed the one financial reporter with the smart s and temerity to call out and sue the Federal Reserve…Who killed Mark Pittman??

    And this fool, this twerp in Mom-jeans who so obviously has never done anything as American as even thrown a baseball… blithers on and on how “he got Osama”…They couldn’t even pull him off the green carpet to simply say “ok”…More likely, his people had to have him there to cover the maybe one press person who might have noted Obama was on a golf course…instead of calling the shots much less even paying an iota of attention…

    Obama is a sickening puke — out to destroy this country and is doing one hell of a job at that!! Where are the exceptional people of this exceptional –God given- Shining light on the hill- nation —yelling their bloody heads off and demanding the Communist Erkel’s impeachment??

    His racist lying Justice Department head? Christ almighty people…a Harvard Law degree may simply be an Affirmative Action badge now . Don’t make assumptions. Listen to your gut. These people are not smarter than you. This is your country. Your future. Your children’s future…You are not to tired to do the most important thing you’ve ver felt called for…You are the leader you’re looking for. You are the man/ the woman with the fire and pride in his belly that demands you stand and say..No. No more. This is my country that I love, that I pledge my allegiance to…that is good, that is fine and generous. No. I will not be silenced and I will not watch the most depraved, reckless Administration destroy my family my country, my beliefs. Help us God. Help us to be US.

  126. Yup, I also think there is some major truth to Ulsterman’s Insider. Too many things have already been found true, way before they came out in any media.

  127. “turndown.. Hard copy the entire post and read it everyday until you grasp what you are reading.”
    –Mrs Smith
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    😆

  128. I believe Ulsterman/Insider has some kind of access to what’s going on behind the scenes.

    =========================

    Yeah, he reads Big Pink. 😉

  129. The Times observes: “Mr. Clinton serves up a succinct common-sense argument for why America needs a strong national government, why both spending cuts and increased tax revenues are necessary for addressing the debt problem [which is going to get worse given the demographics of an aging baby-boomer population and the high costs of interest payments], and why that debt problem ‘can’t be solved unless the economy starts growing again.’”

    ===================

    I like that “Mr”.

    Does the Times mean that Bill thinks the debt problem “is going to get worse given the demographics of an aging baby-boomer population and the high costs of interest payments”?

    ‘can’t be solved unless the economy starts growing again’ does sound like what the Clintons have been saying — ever since the 90s, when they proved it worked.

  130. I just get the feeling once the US troops leave Iraq it’ll all go to shit pretty quick.

    Obama wants a quick pr fix so watch the midas touch in reverse.

  131. I will bid you all a merry christmas and a happy new year, I am off on my holidays on Saturday and i wont be back until January.

    Have fun and enjoy your christmas.

  132. mop: “won’t be back until January.” Ah – a wonderful state of affairs!
    —————
    From Greta:
    President Obama has an open invitation to appear ON THE RECORD at 10pm – an offer that has been open since his last appearance when he was candidate Obama running for President. He has declined. President Obama would get an identical good manners interview that guests get when they appear on ON THE RECORD at 10pm. I ask open ended questions and guests answer questions and then viewers decide what to think. We would like to have President Obama as a guest but of course we can’t force him and it is his choice not to appear ON THE RECORD at 10pm. Of course the President is extremely busy and can’t do every news show. But he has an open invitation from us. I post this because I don’t want you to think I never ask the President. We have asked often and of course the White House knows we would like to interview him if he would agree.

  133. I also think there is some major truth to Ulsterman’s Insider. Too many things have already been found true, way before they came out in any media.

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    Except right here. 😉

  134. I’m spending time in Kuala Lumpur, then Bali indonesia for Christmas, maybe i’ll go on a hunt for missing records while i’m there just for the hell of it and then Bangkok for new year. Can’t wait, first time i’m skipping christmas ever.

  135. I came across a sad piece of news this morning – the Milk Street Cafe on Wall St. is closing for good:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/milk-street-cafe-fidi-eatery-lost-business-due-occupy-wall-street-barricades-close-good-article-1.990960

    This place was a favorite of mine. I’d stop for lunch there whenever I was visiting the downtown area. Now it has to close because of the occupiers.

    So, now another business has been destroyed. Hundreds of employees are now without jobs. If this is what the occupiers want, then I offer my congratulations!

  136. Breath of fresh air regarding Chelsea’s debut at NBC:
    Says WPIX commentator “Lionel” yesterday afternoon in his “5 @ 5” segment: Jealousy is responsible for the hateful critiques about our gal’s gal.

  137. Chelsea will win them over in time.

    As far as her critics are concerned. She has a quality they’ve never had and never will have… she is genuine! That is what they are jealous of… her authenticity.

  138. Remember I saw her at the Democratic Women’s convention here in 2008, unscripted, with someone in the crowd giving her problems. She handled it beautifully, and had the crowd asking her to run for President at the end of it.

    She is a remarkable composed young lady. Much better than the guy that has to have the Tele prompter, and who fraudulently, took the title of Democratic Presidental Nominee in 2008, and who accidently won the Presidency.

  139. “asking her to run for President at the end of it.”
    _______________

    She embodies the best of both Clintons.

  140. Anybody notice the look on the faces of the troops headed for home? Where’s the joy and happiness the war is over?

  141. Yes, another sign of steady economic improvement which O will point to as things are seemingly falling in place for a easy re-election run. Very depressing.

  142. come off it, steady economic improvment, my ass, do you see it, does anybody?……christmas hires and people dropping off the exhausted benefit roll.

  143. It’s my firm belief that Obama’s first goal in his second term will be to free the illegals. You know he is favoring them by what Holder does and does not honor as law. Today Fox has ticker tape news I’m not going to bother to pin down, but it says that number of National Guard troops at Mexican border will be reduced. And there is this from a day or so ago:

    U.S. Proposes Unmanned Border Entry With Mexico
    …in this rugged, remote West Texas terrain where wading across the shallow Rio Grande undetected is all too easy, federal authorities are touting a proposal to open an unmanned port of entry as a security upgrade. By the spring, kiosks could open up in Big Bend National Park allowing people from the tiny Mexican town of Boquillas del Carmen to scan their identity documents and talk to a customs officer in another location, at least 100 miles away. The crossing, which would be the nation’s first such port of entry with Mexico, has sparked opposition from some who see it as counterintuitive in these days of heightened border security. Supporters say the crossing would give the isolated Mexican town long-awaited access to U.S. commerce, improve conservation efforts and be an unlikely target for criminal operations….
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/11/us-proposes-unmanned-border-entry-with-mexico/

    If a real case could be made for this scenario – immigration reform his top priority – he would have trouble winning.

  144. looks like a comment of mine disappeared. not going to retype it. It was about my highest priority – convincing others that out of the gate in his second term Obie will institute immigration ‘reform.’ Convincing others of that would be the only way I’d know to keep him away.

  145. Off topic
    but I spoke with a woman who was a nurse on a transplant team and she told me she finds the all health info available online terrifying. Rich kid needs an organ and a match can be found with a push of the button if everyone’s info is online. She claims that a huge number of kidney transplants she worked on where middle eastern because of high levels of lithium in the water. Affluent people who could afford to rent a suite in a hospital and as they were hospitalized get bumped up on the list. Poor people doing dialysis in desperate need are relegated to a lower position.
    Thought she was a little off her rocker but then I thought about it if I were a billionaire and my kid or self was in need and all i had to do was press a button to find a match I might do it.
    She quit her job because her dad was prepped for surgery and the kidney went to another who had been flown in. She made some noise and her dad got the organ.
    Trying to find stats on who gets what but all of the info i can find is generic. Never thought about that aspect of health info online. Seems like an urban legend – wake up in a tub filled with ice and discover you are missing a kidney. But in reality it is frightening –access to everything about you via health records makes us all pretty vulnerable

  146. well, there it is that comment I so treasured. am so impatient these days. all obama’s fault.

    henry, way back whenever, PA Governor Casey got a heart in a hurry. People were upset.

  147. “Yes, another sign of steady economic improvement …..”
    ********
    That is the fiction being pushed by the Obama propaganda ministry. This the reality:

    “By Associated Press

    WASHINGTON – Squeezed by rising living costs, a record number of Americans — nearly 1 in 2 — have fallen into poverty or are scraping by on earnings that classify them as low income.

    The latest census data depict a middle class that’s shrinking as unemployment stays high and the government’s safety net frays. The new numbers follow years of stagnating wages for the middle class that have hurt millions of workers and families.
    (snip)

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/15/9461848-dismal-prospects-1-in-2-americans-are-now-poor-or-low-income

  148. Ah, jbstonesfan, it’s what most of us already sense. The boob is a goner, yet the opposition must be vigilant against his antics.

  149. Whoopssssssssssssss

    Corzine Gets Served Outside Capitol Hill Hearing

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveschaefer/2011/12/15/corzine-gets-served-outside-capitol-hill-hearing/

    Former MF Global CEO Jon Corzine was exiting the room during a recess in Thursday’s House Financial Services Committee, when a man attempted to serve him with papers on behalf of one of the firm’s former clients.

    CNBC cameras captured a man walking up to Corzine as he exited the hearing room and attempting to serve him with a lawsuit. Corzine told the process server to see his lawyer and kept walking as someone in his party bent over to pick up the documents, which had been put on the ground in the former New Jersey senator and governor’s wake. The network’s Kayla Tausche said the suit is on behalf of a customer who had a $95 million MF Global account, filed in the Southern District of New York.

  150. TG- Hillary is there to even up the playing field…
    _____________

    U.S. to leave Iraqi airspace clear for strategic Israeli route to Iran

    The U.S. military’s fast-approaching Dec. 31 exit from Iraq, which has no way to defend its airspace, puts Israel in a better place strategically to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    Iraq has yet to assemble a force of jet fighters, and since the shortest route for Israeli strike fighters to Iran is through Iraqi airspace, observers conclude that the U.S. exit makes the Jewish state’s mission planning a lot easier.

    Army Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said the Iraqi military will maintain radars to monitor the country’s airspace, but it has not taken possession of American F-16s to guard that space.

    “The country has a capable and improving capability to see the airspace, a viable system to provide command and control, but no system to defeat incoming air threats until it gets either the F-16s or ground-based systems or, optimally, some of both,” Gen. Buchanan told The Washington Times.

    Iraq made the first payment in September for 18 F-16s that will not arrive until next fall at the earliest. This means Israel would have a theoretical window of about 12 months if it wants to fly over Iraq unimpeded by the Iraqi air force.

    Retired Air ForceGen. Thomas McInerney, who advocates a U.S. strategic bombing raid to destroy Iran’s nuclear sites, agreed that Iraq’s open airspace would make it easier for an Israeli mission.

    “Yes, it will be,” he said. “However, it will be much easier for Iranian forces to get to Israel through Iraq via land and air.”

    Gen. McInerney said he thinks there is a good chance that Iran, stretched economically by Western sanctions and fearing threats from Israel, will launch a war against the Jewish state through Iraq.

    “Our departing Iraq will be a huge strategic mistake,” he said of the Dec. 31 deadline for all U.S. forces to leave.

    Iraq’s ruling Shiite majority has historic ties to Iran’s dominant Shiite society, but Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has warned Tehran against meddling in his country’s politics.

    Unknown is the role of U.S. jet fighters stationed outside Iraq but within striking distance from Navy carriers in the Persian Gulf, or possibly Kuwait.

    “I would hope we would jump to defend Iraqi airspace,” said James Carafano, a military analyst at the Heritage Foundation. “These are the kinds of contingency plans that ought to be put in place.”

    Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, like his predecessor, Robert M. Gates, has downplayed the impact that an airstrike might have on Iran’s quest for an atomic bomb. The Islamic republic has denied that it is trying to make a nuclear weapon.

    In an appearance this month at the Brookings Institution, Mr. Panetta said U.S strikes might set back the nuclear program two years and acknowledged that some Iranian targets remain elusive.

    “The indication is that, at best, it might postpone it maybe one, possibly two years,” said Mr. Panetta, who also has mentioned three years as a possible delay. “It depends on the ability to truly get the targets that we’re after. Frankly, some of those targets have been difficult to get at.”

    Story Continues →

  151. listening to a bit of Panetta’s speech this am.. it was God-awful.. a real snoozer!
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    Strains on Display: No Iraqi Leaders Attend U.S. End-of-War Ceremony in Baghdad

    “You will leave with great pride — lasting pride — secure in knowing that your sacrifice has helped the Iraqi people to cast tyranny aside and to offer hope for prosperity and peace to this country’s future generations,” Panetta told U.S. troops. But even as a U.S. military band played a medley of patriotic American tunes, the ceremony — televised live in the 5 a.m. EST hour — seemed one-sided without Iraqi participation or even a thank-you.”

    http://cnsnews.com/blog/susan-jones/strains-display-no-iraqi-leaders-attend-us-end-war-ceremony-baghdad
    _________

    side-note: watched an interview with a returning female soldier. She said something remarkable when asked by a reporter “you must be happy going home, resting and enjoying the holidays.” She said:”yeah, for a little while.” My impression was she was intimating she would be deployed elsewhere soon…

    If Obama is pulling troops from the Mex/US border, he has plans in play for sending our troops somewhere else… like South America, maybe? Guarding Soros’ oil wells(?) betcha!

  152. http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/12/15/wall-street-insider-%E2%80%9Cleo-gerard%E2%80%9D/
    Sounds about right to me.

    UM: How do these people destabilize the economy? How do they profit from that? If I’m understanding you correctly– that’s what you’re describing here, right?

    WSI: For the most part – yes.

    UM: So give me an example of that happening.

    WSI: Global Warming.

    UM: Please explain that.

    WSI: Global Warming is rooted in the manufactured belief the earth is in crisis – and that the United States is the single largest contributor to this crisis. Crisis relates quite well to chaos, yes? So the manufacturers of the Global Warming “crisis” are threatening widespread chaos – and making a very forceful case that government is the only mechanism in which to prevent that chaos. We are talking about trillions of dollars at stake here now – the single biggest scam in the history of humankind. That’s Global Warming.

    So who then actually benefits? Big Government proponents, certainly. Various 3rd world nations who hope to compete financially with the more developed nations… Investors in the so-called “green economy”. And don’t forget China – who will happily communicate the need to fight climate change with one side of their mouth while going on full speed ahead developing its own economy on the other – as American politicians work to decimate the economy here at home, taking money from the myriad of environmental groups, who in turn are so closely linked to the union groups, who in turn dominate the Democratic Party and a growing number within the Republican Party.

    Mr. Soros is a major component of all of that of course. And I will repeat it again – the money being potentially generated by this is trillions of dollars. Not billions – trillions.

    UM: How is Soros involved in the Global Warming movement?

    WSI: (Eyebrows raise) Where do you think so many of the grants come from to “study” the impacts of Global Warming? The vast majority who make their living studying this fabricated issue do so at the bidding of Mr. Soros and his supporters – and that reality has been in place for some time The IPS, the Alliance for Climate Protection…there are so many layers that have been produced by the Soros’ interests it would take us days just to mention each one. The entertainment industry, advertising, education…it has permeated every facet of American society. The expense to do so has been tens of billions of dollars – but the payoff if successful is far more.

    UM: And the labor unions are involved?

    WSI: Absolutely. At every conceivable level. If not for the labor unions approval of the Global Warming issue – there would be but a handful of Democrats giving it any attention at all – President Obama included.

    UM: How are the unions involved?

    WSI: Are you aware of the term “Blue-Green Alliance”?

    UM: No.

    WSI: It is a partnership among some of the largest and most influential labor unions and equally large and influential environmental groups. The very nature of the relationship is undeniable proof that Global Warming has almost nothing to do with concerns about climate and everything to do with profit and power. The Blue-Green alliance has millions of members – from teachers, steel workers, government employees, the National Wildlife Federation…every major union and environmental group is involved. All those green energy jobs? All the environmental regulations that are to be implemented? Small business will be destroyed and only large union-backed/government-approved corporations and government entities will remain – the essence of a Statist economy. The very thing Adolph Hitler developed in Nazi Germany. The very same thing.

  153. O.M.G! No wonder MO left for Hawaii early. And I bet BO hopes congress comes to no agreement on issues before Christmas Eve.

    Hello, everybody! Hello, Fort Bragg! All the way!

    Now, I’m sure you realise why I don’t like following Michelle Obama.

    She’s pretty good. And it is true, I am a little biased, but let me just say it: Michelle, you are a remarkable First Lady.

    You are a great advocate for military families. And you’re cute.

    I’m just saying, gentlemen, that’s your goal: to marry up.

    Punch above your weight.

    admin, can you embed the clip at this site?

    http://www.michellesmirror.com/

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