The Very Bad News For Newt Gingrich

Update: Mike Huckabee is hosting a presidential “forum” for the Republican presidential candidates tonight. It’s at 8:00 p.m. ET until 10:00. On Fox News cable channel.

Herman Cain will not be there because of today’s events. Jon Huntsman has chosen not to participate. Huckabee has stated attacks will not be tolerated at tonight’s event.

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No black man at tonight’s 8:00 p.m. Republican forum which we will monitor. The Obama campaign Big Media affiliate rejoices.

On November 10 of this year panty sniffing JournoListers of Politico orgied in full Herman Cain craziness. Politico JournoListers had already published more Cain sex stories than ever published about the Case of the Missing State Senator. Having never bothered to seek out or interview shivering Rezko tenants and what they had to say about Barack Obama, the Politico Journolisters frenzied on women who had anonymous dirt to throw at Herman Cain.

That tumultuous November day the Herman Cain website celebrated a remarkable fund raising event with a typical graphic of a fund raising thermometer breaking through the goal set by the campaign. JournoLister Ben Smith rubbed his legs and declared the graphic was too graphic. Ben Smith used the fig leaf of “a reader” who thought the “imagery” was “jarring” to expose his own little boy mind. To JournoLister Ben Smith the fundraising thermometer was an ejaculating thermometer.

Today Herman Cain has “suspended,” meaning ended, his campaign for president. No doubt the panty sniffers at Politico will giggle and twitch, rub themselves raw, and declare Cain has “pulled out” giggity giggity, giggle giggle.



Herman Cain has not been blameless in this entire episode. But certainly Herman Cain has been subjected in the past few weeks to more investigation and speculation than Barack Obama has ever endured. Meanwhile the Fast and Furious Friday document dumps continue without much Big Media attention. And that’s why (Chutzbama indeed!) Barack Obama can go on a 17 day vacation to Hawaii this Christmas secure in the knowledge that Big Media is on watch protecting him.

Herman Cain has ended his campaign but there is little to cheer in this episode. If there is any good news it is the report that Politico’s readership has taken a dive (in Politicospeak “readership numbers are flaccid”.) The Professor is correct to write that Politico is following in the dirt path down of MSNBC.

The Professor is also smart to note that the JournoListers have taken an increased interest in someone new[t], now that they have finished off the black man in the race. Yup Newt Gingrich is the new target of the Obama protecting activist base of JournoListers.

To his credit Newt Gingrich has repeatedly warned the other Republican candidates that their enemy is not one another. As we have warned since 2007 the enemy for anyone not actively worshiping Obama is Big Media and the Big Media Party.

The Big Media Party has its own agenda and candidates. The Big Media Party is not, as Big Media “personalities” propagandize, an equal opportunity abuser. The Big Media Party is not about news or “opinion”. The Big Media Party is an activist advocacy apparatus which distorts our politics in more harmful ways than the loathed “big money” fundraisers and lobbyists.

The Big Media Party disposed of Herman Cain today and the very bad news for Newt Gingrich (who will likely inherit the bulk of Cain’s support) is that they are now free to target free-fire zone Newt Gingrich. After Newt is Mitt, Huntsman, whoever is not Obama.

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308 thoughts on “The Very Bad News For Newt Gingrich

  1. Perhaps it will be Huntsman, after all, and that is a good thing. I could vote for him and still feel good about myself.

  2. Still reading, but….

    That tumultuous November day the Herman Cain website celebrated a remarkable fund raising event with a typical graphic of a fund raising thermometer breaking through the goal set by the campaign. JournoLister Ben Smith rubbed his legs and declared the graphic was too graphic. Ben Smith used the fig leaf of “a reader” who thought the “imagery” was “jarring” to expose his own little boy mind. To JournoLister Ben Smith the fundraising thermometer was an ejaculating thermometer.

    Today Herman Cain has “suspended,” meaning ended, his campaign for president. No doubt the panty sniffers at Politico will giggle and twitch, rub themselves raw, and declare Cain has “pulled out” giggity giggity, giggle giggle.

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    Sock it to Ben Smith, Admin! 🙄 😉

  3. Great post Admin, yup the blood on the dance floor in the 2012 election will be one of the worst.

    Will their be more deaths or just massive turd scuds tossed out by Obama showing there is no line he will not cross to get a job he doesn’t even want.

    Is the debate on tv tonit, or online?

  4. When Newt enumerates a list of Obama’s failures in a toe to to debate- that will be good tv and worth recording-

    The Left is pushing this ‘gingrich can’t win’ narrative but deep down they know differently… they know that there’s a chance that the country is in flames. This time next year as the Long Depression marches on and that anyone will have a chance of beating obama as his coalition of blacks, unions and the 1% is not going to win votes… plus, they also know there’s a good chance that gingrich embarrasses obama in the debates and shows the world what an empty suit he is with obama’s nasty little temper that always flares up whenever someone is challenging him or not kissing his ass publicly but promoting themselves at his expense which Newt can do easily with surgical accuracy.

  5. holdthem….

    A Cain/Palin 3rd party would most certainly result in Obama’s re-election, it would syphon off so much republican vote and not dent the Dem vote.

  6. What about a New/Cain ticket?

    I feel very bad for Cain, but really his wife seems to be the boss; personally, I would have said go out there and kick their lily-livered little a$$es. And then in the safety of home, I would kick his if there was any truth to these allegations whatsoever. I had other questions I wanted Cain to answer, but I believe that if the allegations were true he would not have risked his wife finding out about them in such a public way and so unaware; and I believe him just to be a genuine good southern Baptist man of the best kind. I mainly feel bad for the little ones in America who will have to live with the consquences of all ‘our’ bad decisions over the years; and I full well believe way down deep that it was another ‘opponent’ done away with in the most vile Chicago style by you-know-who. He just couldn’t handle a truly black man who was his better; or maybe Meeeeeechelle just couldn’t handle another first lady who might truly be a lady, or both.

    These Republican candidates are going to have to fight like a girl; and give as good as they get….or four more years of THIS!

  7. Two huge negative points against Ron Paul and Huntsman for not going to Trumps debate.

    Seems like people that have poor internationaal policies will get wacked in this debate and have lost my interest.

    Will any of these candidates have the coconuts to have this important debate, or will Trump have to run against these cowards that just like to play the talking points game?

  8. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html

    “I’m so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I’m frightened to death,” said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation’s foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message. “They’re having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism.”
    Luntz offered tips on how Republicans could discuss the grievances of the Occupiers, and help the governors better handle all these new questions from constituents about “income inequality” and “paying your fair share.”

    Details at the link.

  9. Let’s see. Cain gets lynched for supporting two women for 13 years plus. So he’s supposed to team with Gingrich who abandoned two wives?

    I believe that if the allegations were true he would not have risked his wife finding out about them in such a public way and so unaware; and I believe him just to be a genuine good southern Baptist man of the best kind.

    Makes sense. So does Cain’s theory that White took a big bribe to come out with this. If her story were true, then she would have evidence, and could have made more by keeping quiet publiclly and blackmailing Cain.

  10. The Media’s Blackout Of The National Defense Authorization Act Is Shameful — “The broadcast media’s ignorance and unwillingness to cover the National Defense Authorization Act, a radical piece of legislation which outrageously redefines the US homeland as a ‘battlefield’ and makes US citizens subject to military apprehension and detainment for life without access to a trial or attorney, is unacceptable. Guys, this is far more important than Penn State’s Disgusting Creep of the Decade, or even Conrad Murray’s sentencing. Call it what you will: a military junta, a secret invalidation of Americans’ civil rights, a Congress gone mad. Whatever it is, it needs to be covered by the press, and quickly.”

  11. turndownobama
    December 3rd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
    The Media’s Blackout Of The National Defense Authorization Act Is Shameful
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    I certainly agree. Most people don’t know anything about it or what it really means.

    At least the blogs are discussing it.

  12. “Whatever it is, it needs to be covered by the press, and quickly.”
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    It needs to be STOPPED. This is where Obama is taking the country. If only the Blind could SEE!

  13. The questions from tonight’s forum will come from federal prosecutors. They are identifying themselves first and will soon ask questions. Most if not all of the AGs tonight are suing Obama over health care.

  14. Well whoever it is doing this…they are taking them out one by one….I wish I knew who was doing this…

    All this time I said I couldn’t vote for Newt, but as time goes by…I might could change my mind…

    If Obama is doing this….he doesn’t deserve to keep the Presidency….and I think he’s behind it all and all the way back to what he did to Hillary….

    This will be a dirty election….dirtier than I’ve ever seen.

  15. Newt asked questions first.

    Will the community boards to rule on illegal aliens undermine the rule of law?

    Newt says it will be like the draft boards. Would only apply to those here a long time and who have a family “sponsor”. He also proposes a guest worker program.

    Asked whether this would be dangerous because neighbors would determine the fate of neighbors Newt says this would work because it would be like the jury system.

  16. Newt asked about his support for mandates and cap and trade.

    Newt says the mandate was supported by conservatives during the Hillary care debate. He says he does not support cap and trade.

    Asked how he would filter out “non-conservative Newt” as president Newt says he would balance budget, control spending and that he has a record on these issues. Newt says he has the experience to get done what the Tea Party wants done. No experience means no results.

    BREAK

  17. Newt asked what duties should devolve from the federal government to the states or localities.

    Newt: Education should be for the states. Medicaid block granted to the states. A new type of local EPA.

    You proposed impeaching judges and getting rid of appellate courts for bad decisions, what if Obama did this?

    Newt, judge Berry is an example of a bad judge and should be removed. Ditto appellate courts. Obama could not do what he proposes.

    As to “conservative environmentalism” that is why Newt appeared in a video with Nancy Pelosi. He wanted to provide a conservative way to be conservative.

    Favorite founding father? George Washington.

    BREAK with new candidate following.

  18. I like the Hucksters format…

    Candidated gettin grilled and not able to spin their answer because they only have a soundbite worth of time.

    11 min each…good.

  19. Rick Santorum.

    Patriot act support vis a vis civil rights?

    Gotta do what you gotta do. Ditto Abe Lincoln’s civil rights violations.

    Federal government undermines families. Some women don’t get married in order to get welfare. Santorum wants to promote marriage if he is president.

    What about state involvement? Medicaid, food stamps, etc. must be sent to the states for administration.

    How does opposition to abortion gibe with the Constitution? Santorum wants a constitutional amendment to ban abortion. Wants a uniform federal law defining marriage too.

  20. Rick Perry:

    Executive order against ObamaCare, what is the authority for doing so? Perry states it is the regulations he would attack. Border enforcement? He’s done it.

    Founding father? Madison. Brilliant author of federalist papers.

    What is strict construction? Read the constitution, don’t add to it.

    BREAK

  21. Michelle Bachmann.

    Why can’t states pass mandate? Bachmann attacks Obamacare but does not really answer question. She focuses on abortion.

    Pressed, she says that states will have to do federal bidding.

    Cost of deporting all illegal aliens $130 billion? Bachmann says illegal aliens cost us more than that. Deportation would be up to ICE agents.

    She supports tort reform to respect the tenth amendment.

    BREAK

  22. Bachmann: abolish Department of Education and repeal federal education laws.

    Abolish EPA. Federal involvement when states conflict on a state by state basis. There would be new legislation to provide for federal “negotiation” between states. She makes no sense on any of this.

    Worse Supreme Court decision in last 50 years? Kelo, eminent domain decision. To protect private property, new legislation.

    Federal human life amendment vs. state abortion laws? Feds have to have the final word on life.

  23. Santorum and Bachmann have not come off well in this forum. The opportunity to state their views does not flatter them. Good thing for them that the AGs did not have much time to cross examine.

  24. Ron Paul. Top 3 domestic responsibility of feds?

    Property rights.

    Patriot act helped with Oklahoma bombing. You don’t like the Patriot Act? Paul says the Patriot Act repeals the fourth amendment. A lack of laws is not our problem. We need state laws for these problems. Terrorism is a crime not a war. Constitution gives the states police power, not feds.

    Was 9/11 a crime or a war? A crime. Why do people want to come here to kill us, Paul asks.

    Federal regulation re: pollution? The market is a strong regulator. Lobbyists write the laws.

    BREAK

  25. Social Security, medicare unconstitutional?

    Paul says they are mandates too and are unconstitutional. Has a program to cut a trillion dollars from budget. Young people could get out of Social Security. Would have to sign budget as president even though he believes aspects are unconstitutional.

    People, states then federal government in priority of sovereignty.

    Prohibition was bad amendment.

    Book suggestion? “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat.

    BREAK – Romney next and last.

  26. Many believe your EPA administrator would be like Obama’s?

    Willard: People liked my EPA administrator. Obama EPA impedes our economy. We need fracking. Federal government should help private business to grow.

    Fracking?

    I would stop EPA from blocking fracking. States have authority now and EPA wants to power grab to get us away from oil, gas. Renewable sources will not power our economy as of yet.

    RomneyCare the model for Obamacare?

    Willard: Obama never consulted with me. In Massachusetts the legislature did not do what I asked. But I like the law I signed.

    Romneycare affected 100% of people?

    Nothing changed for the insured.

    You campaigned for “No child left behind” program but now you say you are against federal role in education?

    Some of “no child left behind” I support. Federal government must fight teachers’ unions. George W. Bush stood up to teachers unions.

    Federal assistance for Pell grants, lunch programs?

    Willard: I would look at the programs.

    Supreme Court. What is a strict constructionist?

    Willard: Read the constitution.

    Illegal immigrants? Federal government has failed, what about states?

    Willard: States should take action when necessary. I vetoed drivers licenses and tuition assistance for illegal aliens. Federal government must step up.

    Federal labor laws?

    Revise National Labor Relations Board. Pass right to work laws. I would not get rid of all federal labor laws.

    Break.

  27. Not sure why but Perry is starting to remind me of John Edwards with his smarmy smile and attitude.

    Gingrich is bugging the heck out of me but Romney actually impressed me tonight.

  28. My 5 cent take on the ‘debate’

    – Newt, next to Perry, he sounds like Einstein…but I don’t trust Newt any further than I could pick him up with one hand and throw him.

    – Perry, how did this guy ever become Gov…oh yea, the same way Raygun became Gov in my state…another WTF election.

    – Bachmann, better than she usually does, maybe because she was able to complete her thoughts…but still is very limited.

    – Huntsman, oh that’s right, he must have won an immunity necklace because he didn’t show up…just like we won’t show up at Trumps ‘debate’…chicken $hitt.

    Santorum, zzzzzzzzzzzzz, what was the question? Boring even when he is excited.

    Wiber, same ol’ same ol’.

    Paul, I still like his knowledge although he is discounted by everyone.

  29. With this group of R candidates, I pray for an awesome 3rd party candidate that will work for all the folks under the bus.

    That is, if our little lady isn’t drafted or drug into the race by her 18 million…

  30. I think this is a very interesting topic.

    Even Bill Clinton, in a position of authority, did not initiate the encounters with Monica Lewinsky, Lewinsky did.

    In Herman Cain’s case, it looks like he was the person in authority using that position to lure people into private situations where his alleged advances came as a quid pro quo for help getting some type of employment or reference.

    I don’t think Barack Obama has been accused of the same, although there were allegations that certain men were offed who allegedly knew Barack Obama.

    I do agree that there were other issues that most definitely warranted further vetting in regards to Barack Obama back in 2007 and 2008.

    I still question how much effort Obama put into assisting his mother with her fight against Cancer so soon after Obama spent
    significant time in Bali “researching” and writing his book about his deadbeat dad.

    The mere fact that he wrote a tome about a dad he didn’t know while blowing off any type of tribute for his mother is something that most definitely should have been vetted. Especially when Obama used his mother’s situation with the medical insurance companies as a ploy to gain votes in 2008 on several occasions, including a commercial that ran in Texas and the second presidential debate against McCain.

    That whole mom dad health care situation should definitely have been vetted by the media, and as far as I know never was.

  31. fwiw- Gingrich gave the best performance last night. However, I would not like seeing him as the next president.
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    Gingrich accepts Trump debate invitation, praises Cain and Bill Clinton.

    STATEN ISLAND, NY — Newt Gingrich on Saturday accepted an invitation to appear at a December debate moderated by bombastic TV personality Donald Trump, smilingly as he asked reporters, “Who can resist The Donald?”

    “I would want to go just for the entertainment value,” he added. “I can’t imagine what a debate hosted by Donald Trump would be like.”

    A spokesperson confirmed to NBC News that Gingrich will attend the Dec. 27 event.

    “In all seriousness, Trump is a unique American character,” said the former House speaker. “It’d be like if Bill Gates called and said, ‘Hi, I’d like to host a debate.’ The correct answer would be, ‘Yes.’ You wouldn’t say, ‘Hi, I gotta check my calendar.”

    Gingrich’s remarks came at a press conference held moments after Herman Cain announced the suspension of his scandal-plagued campaign.

    He said that he “appreciates” Herman Cain’s reasons for bowing out, and praised the Atlanta businessman for having “the courage” to run for president.

    “He deserves credit for having the courage to talk about big ideas and to focus on the economy,” Gingrich later told a town hall crowd of more than 500 at a Staten Island hotel. “I know he’s going to create a new citizen organization and stay active in public life.”

    Gingrich told reporters that he spoke to Cain today, but would not characterize the “personal conversation.” Asked if he anticipates to be the recipient of Cain’s endorsement, Gingrich responded, “I don’t anticipate anything. Herman Cain’s gotta make up his own mind.”

    But, he added, “I hope to meet with him sometime next week.”

    In addition to praising his fellow conservatives, Gingrich also had kind words to say for his one-time bitterest rival, former President Bill Clinton — and he alluded to Clinton’s “little courtesies,” including one that rankled the speaker back in his congressional heyday.

    “We couldn’t have gotten done what we did without Clinton” Gingrich said, “Clinton had been governor for 10 years. He understood negotiating with a legislature. Little things. Having the right picnic for families. Having families with children bring the kids over. Having people fly on Air Force One. Little courtesies.”

    The comment is noteworthy because Gingrich famously complained that Clinton made himself and then-Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole sit in the back of Air Force One on a 1995 flight. “It’s petty, but I think it’s human,” Gingrich said at the time. Gingrich also helped lead the effort to impeach Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair.

    (Ironically, on Saturday, Gingrich praised “all the little human things” that Clinton knew how to do to win favor.)

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/03/9193117-gingrich-accepts-trump-debate-invitation-praises-cain-and-bill-clinton
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    It would do well for Newt to acknowledge Bill Clinton grew those ‘little courtesies’ as he calls them into BIG life saving endeavors for entire cultures since he’s left the White House.

  32. Derailed “Cain Train” still coming to Oklahoma City Monday night

    OKLAHOMA CITY — As expected, GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain has officially dropped out of the race for the Republican nomination as a growing cloud of doubt and suspicion hung over him in the wake of numerous allegations of sexual impropriety.

    But despite his decision to drop out, he is still planning to appear at the previously scheduled “Victory 2012” rally on Monday evening at the Oklahoma City Marriott, according to Oklahoma Republican Party Chairman Matt Pinnell.
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    I expect Newt will want Cain because of his popularity and likeability to join him along with his supporters into the Gingrich campaign. Which, to me, would be a smart strategy for Gingrich. Employing Cain as an adjunct to his campaign would be holding on to Cain’s supporters dead ending and attempt at a racial over ride coming from Obama’s camp.

  33. MTP- Gregory faces Axelrod with stark truths of Obama’s liabilities in the campaign.

    David Axelrod is teleprompter ready after the blub-blub-blub responses Axelrod attempted defending Obama.. 🙂

  34. White House statement will likely help Muslim Brotherhood gain immediate power in Egypt

    By Danette Clark

    On Friday, President Obama publicly urged Egypt’s ruling military council to relinquish power to a civilian government “as soon as possible”, a move that will likely result in a weak civilian government dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Obama’s statement came shortly after 3 am on Friday to coincide with the Egyptian morning.

    According to the New York Times, protesters then appeared to unite for the first time around a specific team of civilians whom they hope can lead the transition as a civilian “presidential council”.

    Among those favored for appointment to the presidential council are three rival presidential contenders: Mohamed ElBaradei (above), a staunch supporter of the Brotherhood; Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a former Muslim Brotherhood leader; and Hamdeen Sabahi, whose al-Karama party recently joined the Muslim Brotherhood-led Democratic Alliance.

    It has been widely believed for some time that Mohamed ElBaradei will win upcoming elections and become the next Egyptian leader. Now, just two days after the White House’s call for the Egyptian military to resign power, ElBaradei offered himself as interim prime minister, an alternative to Kamal Ganzouri who was named by the ruling military council on Friday.

    Despite Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s persistent rants calling for the destruction of Israel, ElBaradei, as IAEA chairman, has for years defended Iran’s nuclear program as peaceful, thereby allowing them to continue to obtain nuclear capability.

    ElBaradei sits on the board of George Soros’s International Crisis Group, which advocates dialogue with Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood’s violent Palestinian branch.

    http://klein.wp.wnd.com/2011/11/30/blog-white-house-statement-will-likely-help-muslim-brotherhood-gain-immediate-power-in-egypt/

  35. FoxNews is having a bit of trouble deciding which of these conflicting headlines should be #1:
    An hour or so ago this was #1: Does the U.S. Have the Pakistani Taliban on the Ropes?
    Since then it’s been changed to: U.S. Evacuating Air Base in Pakistan

    harty har har

  36. Thanks for the summary as I was out last celebrating 20 yr wedding anniversary and fact that my nuclear stress test came back normal. After 25 years of litigating and one more year before turning 50, this has been the worst health year in my life. Truthfully, without any sarcasm, I have not really felt well since Hillary lost the primary. My doctor attributes a Loy of my symptoms to anxiety.

  37. Could this article be more pertinent than now? Somehow a way must be found to elect good people rather than the creatures of the
    parties which are so corrupt and useless. It means getting around the whole party apparatus, conventions, caucuses, campaign money and the rest of it. We are caught in a trap now, dominated by the “Chicago Attitude” which can only result in bad consequences for the people.

    Are political parties destroying politics?
    By
    Bob Schieffer

    (CBS News)  My friend Tom Friedman passed on a story to me the other day that came to him from an advertising guy who had been at a seminar for ad people. Someone had asked the question, “Why didn’t Burger King ever really go after McDonald’s?” In other words, why didn’t they get dirty, go negative, and try to take down the industry leader?
    The answer came back: “First rule of advertising: Never destroy the category. It’s not worth destroying the hamburger industry just to take down your most successful competitor.” The more I thought about that – and the sorry state of American politics these days – the more it made me wonder. In their effort to destroy each other, are the Republican and Democratic Parties on the verge of destroying the category – politics? The whole political system?
    We’re not there yet, but as I watch our campaigns begin earlier and earlier, and as our government becomes more and more gridlocked, unable to do anything, we may be close. Remember when campaigns were the interval between governing? Now governing has become the brief interval between campaigns – and not just campaigns that are vicious, but as meaningless as they are mean.
    It is no longer a question of what has the government done for us lately – the answer is nothing. But the looming and larger question now is just how much damage has all this done to the system itself, and can it be repaired before the whole thing blows apart?

  38. © 2011, Des Moines Register and Tribune Co.

    With the dizzying fall of Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich has stepped into the breach and now stands alone as the most popular GOP presidential candidate in The Des Moines Register’s new Iowa Poll.

    Gingrich, with support of 25 percent of likely Republican caucusgoers, is seven points ahead of the rising Ron Paul, who’s at 18 percent. Mitt Romney drops to third, at 16percent, denting his previously armor-plated Iowa polling average. Romney’s support stood at 22 percent last month.

    Cain, who suspended his campaign Saturday, had plunged from 23 percent to 8 percent in just over a month, tied with Michele Bachmann.

    In a race that’s still far from settled, previous candidate surges have had a half life. But Gingrich’s comes at a critical time — with just a month until the first votes are cast in the nation’s GOP nominating contest. The key question is whether his support represents momentum or a peak.

    Politics watchers say it could be difficult for Gingrich to withstand the rigors of front-runner status, especially when his campaign has shown a lack of discipline so far, plagued by early debt, staff turnover and a paper-thin organization.

    Gingrich has been “a one-man band just standing onstage and pontificating,” Republican strategist Mike Murphy said. “On caucus night, can you convoy and get people there?”

    One striking finding: The results show Gingrich’s ascendancy has the potential to grow, pollster J. Ann Selzer said.

    More respondents choose Gingrich as their second choice than any other candidate. Together, 43 percent of likely caucusgoers pick him as first or second.

    With Cain’s departure from the race, Gingrich will likely benefit. More Cain supporters name Gingrich as their second choice than any other candidate.

    Rounding out the field: The two Ricks, Perry and Santorum, are locked in a tie at 6 percent. At the bottom is Jon Huntsman at 2 percent.

    …Another interesting finding: Paul, often dismissed by the political establishment, has climbed 6 points since the Register’s October poll.

    “The big surprise potential now is with Ron Paul,” said Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia.

    But Paul could be closing in on his ceiling, the poll indicates. Just 7 percent choose him as their second choice.

    “This is where Paul is weak, in that he has little breadth from which to draw new support,” Selzer said.

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/04/iowa-poll-newt-gingrich-most-popular-gop-candidate/

  39. Israeli ministers reacted angrily on Sunday after local media quoted U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as saying she feared for the future of Israel’s democracy and the rights of women in the Jewish state.

    Clinton’s remarks, reportedly made Saturday behind closed doors at the Saban Forum in Washington, made headlines in most Israeli newspapers, which reported them without explaining how they obtained the comments.

    p-selling Yediot Aharonot said Clinton had expressed concern about a slew of “anti-democratic” bills proposed by right-wing members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.

    And the newspaper said Clinton had described shock at hearing that some buses in Jerusalem were gender segregated and some religious Israeli soldiers refused to attend events where women would sing.

    The comments sparked a quick backlash in Jerusalem, where Israeli ministers holding a weekly cabinet meeting accused Clinton of hyperbole.

    Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz called Clinton’s remarks “totally exaggerated,” Israeli media reported.

    “Israel is a living, breathing liberal democracy,” he said.

    Steinitz reportedly acknowledged that gender segregation was a problem in Israel, “but to claim there is a threat on Israeli democracy is a big stretch.”

    Environment Minister Gilad Erdan also acknowledged some concerns about growing calls for gender segregation by Israel’s ultra-Orthodox community, but suggested Clinton direct her attention elsewhere.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/12/04/180800.html

  40. Heh, I like both of these two men..but lordy…no love between them!

    Ron Paul pans Donald Trump as false GOP deity

    Fresh off snubbing Donald Trump by refusing to participate in a debate he’s moderating, Ron Paul blasts his fellow GOP presidential candidates for paying the billionaire businessman so much credence.

    “I don’t quite understand the marching to his office,” Paul said on CNN’s State of the Union this morning, referring to the parade of presidential candidates who’ve met with Trump in recent months. “I didn’t realize he had the ability to lay on hands and anoint people.”

    Paul rejected the debate invitation by deeming Trump “clown-like,” while Trump released a statement saying Paul is “willing to lie” and “either very jealous of Mr. Trump, stupid, or a combination of both.” The debate is scheduled for Dec. 27 in Des Moines, Iowa.

    Host Candy Crowley asked Paul why his relationship with Trump turned so rocky, so quickly.

    “He probably doesn’t like my position on the federal reserve,” Paul said. “It may be, deep down, philosophic … and his personality that doesn’t like to be challenged.”

  41. [Gingrich ]said that he “appreciates” Herman Cain’s reasons for bowing out

    ======================

    I guess he does!

  42. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/occupy-congress-on-jan-17-largest-occupy-protest-ever/2011/12/02/gIQAAGLgKO_blog.html
    Yesterday, Occupy DC targeted congressional Democrats at a campaign fundraiser. Now, protesters say they plan to Occupy Congress on Jan. 17, in the “largest Occupy protest ever!”
    [….]
    “End corporate personhood. Term limits in congress (3 in house, 1 in senate)… End salary or health insurance tenure. Reform campaign finance to end corporate/pac donations.”

  43. Shadowfax
    December 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    ————–
    Shadowfax,

    I saw that article earlier this morning but did not post it here because the direct source for her supposed comments is blatantly missing. We do not have direct quotes from her. It was a private meeting and I think I will wait until she comments.

    There is a push for segregation on buses by some of the oldest and extreme religious leaders in Israel. That does not me it exists. I have been to Israel twice and buses were for everyone.

  44. Bad news for Newt; spot on admin. 10 little, 9 little 8 little indians, 7 little….
    And then there were …….
    Gotta make that playing field downhill for BHO.

  45. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/occupy-dc-targets-congressional-democrats/2011/12/01/gIQA6lqnHO_blog.html

    He added, “the Democrats are not going to save us, we are going to have to save ourselves.”
    Others chanted, “Hope and change, that’s a lie, listen to Occupy.”
    [….]
    Occupy leaders stress they are taking aim at Democrats, as well as Republicans. On Tuesday night more than 100 Occupy Wall Street protesters picketed a fundraiser for President Obama in midtown Manhattan, the New York Times reported.

    “Between 2009 and 2011, Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. In that time, unemployment reached its highest level since the Great Depression,” the Occupy DC action alert said. “ The big banks that crashed the global economy were not broken up, and are still ‘too big to fail.’”

  46. HoldThemAccountable: it’s not just Newt that better worry:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/1/candidate-in-the-cross-hairs/

    The Washington establishment, ever a font of wisdom, has chosen its candidate. Mitt Romney’s victory in the Republican primaries, the insiders say, is a fait accompli. They claim he’s the most electable, the safe bet. Fine; let’s play along for the moment and consider what the Democrats have in store for him in the general election.

    Recall that before Barack Obama trounced John McCain in 2008, Mr. McCain trounced Mr. Romney. But that’s not the worst of it. Mr. Romney’s Massachusetts electoral record hardly inspires confidence. He was elected initially in 2002 but couldn’t crack 50 percent of the popular vote. By the end of his first and only term, he had an anemic 34 percent approval rating and a 65 percent disapproval rating. Survey USA ranked Mr. Romney’s popularity 48th out of the 50 governors. With that, the supposedly electable Mitt Romney walked away rather than face the voters.

    Can someone please explain why we should believe he’s suddenly so darn electable now? [snip]

    Luckily for Mr. Obama, his two chief vulnerabilities – Obamacare and jobs – are the very ones most easily neutralized should he face Mr. Romney.

    Obamneycare: Mr. Romney’s Massachusetts Romneycare is the forebear of Obamacare. [snip]

    Mr. Obama’s counter for his own abysmal jobs record – 2 million lost – will be to showcase every person who was ever laid off by Mr. Romney. Recall the dagger in the heart of Mr. Romney’s 2008 campaign, Mike Huckabee’s simple statement, “I want to be a president who reminds you of the guy you work with, not the guy who laid you off.”

    Furthermore, Mr. Romney, still unable to reach beyond 25 percent in GOP polls, may have hit his high-water mark. Consider how the selectively quiet mainstream media waged war on the conservative challengers, one by one, just as they began to pose threats to Mr. Romney, yet they have found little time for exposes on Romneycare or Bain Capital or – brace yourself – racism in the Mormon Church. Don’t worry, they will. Meanwhile, conservatives should ask themselves why they’re holding back now. [snip]

    Destroying her own argument, she predicts there will be an “explosion” of anti-Romney news stories that “have already been written, but they’re not scheduled for release until the day Romney wraps up the nomination.”

    Miss Coulter doesn’t explain what motivates the media to shield the Romney campaign during the primaries. The answer is obvious: Mitt Romney is the media’s rope-a-dope re-election strategy for Barack Obama. They hope we’ll bite.

    The media will turn on Mr. Romney faster and with greater vengeance than they did Mr. McCain in 2008, and when they do, his poll numbers – unlike those of his GOP rivals who already have faced their firestorms – will crater like Mr. McCain’s did. I would guess they’re already hunting down every family with a grievance against Bain Capital for breathless “How Mitt Romney destroyed our family” news stories. Unfair? Absolutely. Damaging? You decide.

    If you still don’t believe the Obama-friendly media are hoping Mitt Romney wins the GOP nomination, Google “Mitt Romney money picture” and ask yourself why the media are – for now – holding back this unseemly photo. It shows the former Massachusetts governor beside his former business partners with cash pouring out of their pockets, lapels, shirt collars and even a few body orifices. Even unapologetic champions of the free market cringe with anticipation of the bonanza that photo provides for Team Obama, which already loves to blame the weak economy on “fat-cat” bankers. This photo will be Exhibit A.

    That campaign strategy is also why Occupy Wall Street was created by the Obama worship crowd who run OWS behind the scenes. Don’t be fooled by small little groups holding anti Obama or anti-Dimocrat signs or demonstrations. The OWS leadership, the people who really run things are poised for a Romney campaign.

  47. Well, admin, I certainly do hope that at some point John Q. Public catches on to the journalista strategy.

  48. JanH
    December 4th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Shadowfax
    December 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    ————–
    Shadowfax,

    I saw that article earlier this morning but did not post it here because the direct source for her supposed comments is blatantly missing. We do not have direct quotes from her. It was a private meeting and I think I will wait until she comments.

    There is a push for segregation on buses by some of the oldest and extreme religious leaders in Israel. That does not me it exists. I have been to Israel twice and buses were for everyone.
    _______________

    Good catch, Jan- After reading that article what struck me is it was so out of character for Hillary to make such a controversial statement, even if it was true. Which I do not believe it is- Rather an outlier of negative press for undermining Hillary’s mutual trust and friendship as an honest broker between Israel and PA.

    The question needing an answer is who ordered the article written? Jarett? Obama? The bumbling, fumbling, one trick pony Axelrod? They’re all the same to me- they’re all from the same camp!

  49. admin:

    “That campaign strategy is also why Occupy Wall Street was created by the Obama worship crowd who run OWS behind the scenes. Don’t be fooled by small little groups holding anti Obama or anti-Dimocrat signs or demonstrations. The OWS leadership, the people who really run things are poised for a Romney campaign.”
    _______

    Right on, admin- they should be protesting on Pennsylvania Av- not mucking up America leaving trash and costly cleanups in every state in their wake…

  50. JanH
    The one thing that seemed most ture of that story is Hillary’s fighting for women…as she always does.

  51. The OWS leadership, the people who really run things are poised for a Romney campaign.”
    _______

    Right on, admin- they should be protesting on Pennsylvania Av-

    =============

    They’re targeting D.C. next, according to the WaPo stories I posted above.

    But Mrs. Smith, you said the plot was for Obama to call martial law against OWS, so as to stop having an election. How does your idea fit with OWS working against a Romney campaign?

  52. But Mrs. Smith, you said the plot was for Obama to call martial law against OWS, so as to stop having an election. How does your idea fit with OWS working against a Romney campaign?
    _____________

    Please show me what you are talking about.

  53. The Air Force one story about Newt is different from the one I heard. I recall that the issue was that at the end of the flight, if the passengers walk out the front of the plane, they get to walk by Bill Clinton and exchange niceties and possibly even get their picture taken together by the media that is present.

    However, if the passengers at the back of the plane exit out of the back of the plane, they don’t get to walk by the president or the media and that is considered a slap in the face. That is how I recall the story, and Newt vowed revenge by stalling the congressional budget talks.

    Amazingly enough, that was when Bill Clinton finally showed his own backbone and stood up the Republicans and did not flinch over the budget showdown.

    Also, Newt backed out of the Clinton witch hunt because he was having an affair with his own intern around that time. For those who don’t recall, as many as HALF of the original 12 Clinton witch hunters were having their own affairs, and as a result, at least two of the 12 recused themselves from witchhunt watch list.

    Larry Flynt allegedly had “stuff” on many of the other remaining 10 Clinton Witch Hunters, but probably was convinced to not reveal the list in exchange for not being offed.


  54. Mrs. Smith
    November 29th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
    [….]
    His OWS are in place simmering on the back burner- it would be nothing for the signal to be given for these occupiers to become violent overnight turning into riots and and burning cities… [….]
    I sincerely believe, if Hillary won the NH Primary, riots would be next followed by Marshall Law if she won the next Primary…

    Iirc you had some other predictions too, some sort of psychic revelation.

  55. Here, it was the same prediction:


    Mrs. Smith
    November 29th, 2011 at 7:13 pm [….]
    I did finally look it up and it is martial law. But how important is sp when so much else I wrote about is at stake? I know what I said in my response is truer than true and I haven’t a doubt in my mind Obama will not be undone and embarrassed any further than the NH Primary IF in fact Hillary wins the write vote..
    I can’t tell you how I know, I just know, because I have predicting his movements accurately for some time now- I called it in advance knowing the UK riots were a rehearsal for what was to go on here soon.
    The question in my mind is this- If Hillary wins the NH Primary, which I am predicting she will- and the OWS protesters turn violent because of it. [….]
    Who can prevent Obama from declaring martial law?

  56. Shadowfax
    December 4th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    JanH
    The one thing that seemed most true of that story is Hillary’s fighting for women…as she always does.

    ————–
    Yes indeed.

  57. turndownobama
    December 4th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Here, it was the same prediction:
    ____________

    Suggest you run don’t walk to sign up for a remedial reading class.

  58. So instead of OWS being a plot to oppose Reagan in November 2012, you think it’s an excuse to declare martial law in Spring 2012? I don’t think it can be used for both.

  59. tsk tsk
    Bad timing for Obie’s horse meat on the table legislation.
    DreamWorks Pictures’ “War Horse,” director Steven Spielberg’s epic adventure, is a tale of loyalty, hope and tenacity set against a sweeping canvas of rural England and Europe during the First World War. “War Horse” begins with the remarkable friendship between a horse named Joey and a young man called Albert, who tames and trains him. When they are forcefully parted, the film follows the extraordinary journey of the horse as he moves through the war, changing and inspiring the lives of all those he meets—British cavalry, German soldiers, and a French farmer and his granddaughter—before the story reaches its emotional climax in the heart of No Man’s Land.

    The First World War is experienced through the journey of this horse—an odyssey of joy and sorrow, passionate friendship and high adventure. “War Horse” is one of the great stories of friendship and war— a successful book, it was turned into a hugely successful international theatrical hit that is currently on Broadway. It now comes to screen in an epic adaptation by one of the great directors in film history.
    https://www.facebook.com/WarHorseMovie#!/WarHorseMovie?sk=info

    War Horse premiered last night.

  60. Tee Vee Nooze too busy with Cain to cover this:
    Iraqi PM Confirms Assassination Attempt « VOA Breaking News
    Posted Saturday, December 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has confirmed that a car bomb explosion inside of Baghdad’s fortified Green Zone last Monday was an assassination attempt against him. In a Saturday interview with the Associated Press, Mr. Maliki said preliminary information indicated the blast was supposed to take place as he entered parliament. Iraqi security officials said Friday the bomber intended to drive his vehicle filled with explosives to a parking lot near the parliament building and detonate the explosives when Mr. Maliki arrived. However, officials at a checkpoint turned back the driver because he did not have proper credentials. He then detonated explosives, killing at least one person and wounding several others. The blast took place at a time of heightened concern about Baghdad’s ability to handle security after U.S. forces withdraw at the end of the month. Meanwhile, some of the last troops to leave Iraq are back on U.S. soil. On Saturday, loved ones greeted the soldiers as they returned to Fort Hood, Texas.
    In violence Saturday, three people were killed in two separate incidents in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. Two people were shot dead when unidentified gunmen broke into their house in southern Mosul, while the third person died in the western part of the city.
    http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2011/12/03/iraqi-pm-confirms-assassination-attempt-3/

    Fort Hood no less. No word if alleged Muslim killer of 13 participated in the Welcome Home ceremonies.

  61. Meanwhile, some of the last troops to leave Iraq are back on U.S. soil.

    =============

    So how many people are is Obama going to leave there — after re-naming them something other than “troops”?

  62. Leonora, have to make room for the Latinos.
    MEXICALI, Mexico — Arrests of illegal migrants trying to cross the southern U.S. border have plummeted to levels not seen since the early 1970s, according to tallies released by the Department of Homeland Security last week, a historic shift that could reshape the debate over immigration reform.
    … The number of illegal migrants arrested at the border has been dropping over the past few years but appears to be down by more than 25 percent this year.,,,
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/arrests-of-illegal-migrants-on-us-mexico-border-plummet/2011/12/02/gIQA6Op8PO_story.html

    Also consider this instance I encountered on Friday while trying to switch my Medicare D coverage from UnitedHealthcare to Aetna:
    I spoke with two people. By their last names, both would be assumed to be Latino. First one spoke English I could understand. For actual signup I had to be transferred to an “enrollment specialist” who had a heavy Latino accent which I had trouble coping with. Twice I asked her to speak more slowly and she did for awhile, but when she got into the contractual stuff she was required to state, I got lost again. Decided I was not agreeing to things the explanation for which I could not understand.

    Bottom line, I could not dump AARP due to heavy Latino hiring at Aetna.
    Police, TSA not allowed to profile. Other gov’t entities and corporations, profiling is OK.

  63. holdthemaccountable
    Ever wonder if any of the businesses outsourcing customer service jobs have felt a negative impact. My cable box was acting strangely and when I called them I was unable to communicate with the guy on the phone. Hung up tried again. Second time was somewhat better but still couldn’t resolve the problem. I’d switch to another carrier but the situation would probably be the same. A rare occurrence so maybe I shouldn’t be so annoyed, but it is called customer service and not annoy the hell out of a customer and waste a half an hour of his day. Doubt those jobs will ever come back as almost every company does it.

  64. Source: Herman Cain to Endorse Newt Gingrich Monday

    Monday, 05 Dec 2011

    By MYFOXATLANTA STAFF/myfoxatlanta

    ATLANTA – Herman Cain might be out of the running as a Republican presidential candidate, but his voice still carries weight with his many loyal supporters. Since he bowed out of the race Saturday, there has been much speculation on who he would endorse.

    Sources tell FOX 5 News that Herman Cain plans to endorse fellow Georgian Newt Gingrich on Monday. They say details of a formal announcement are still being worked out.

    http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/local_news/source%3A-herman-cain-to-endorse-newt-gingrich-monday-20111204-tm
    ___________

    Plan B

    Also, Trump announced this morning, if there is not a strong candidate nominated to oppose Obmama in the 2012 election, he will run as an Independent.

  65. henry, if they do feel the negative impact, they have a way to spin it. I’m certain that our public schools are ruined by the weight of trying to get Latinos up to speed. Free breakfast, lunch, tutoring after. Free cell phones. But the blame will never be placed where it belongs. This immigration stance is one for which the elites have defied the people’s will for decades and they have no intention of stopping now. Latinos sense the leverage they have. I’m now citing an incident from Massachusetts a few months back. Think I can find the link if you really want it. Legal citizen killed by illegal driving brother’s truck. Would not have had to run the victim over but hurried to get away from accident scene – was afraid of getting the brother who owned the truck in trouble. Later in the article the illegal’s 6 year old son is hitting a cop – he’s learned that cops are bad because cops will take daddy away.

    Really ugly mess all the way around.

  66. holdthemaccountable
    I read about that incident. Tragic.
    I am very conflicted when it comes to educating illegal children as they are children but it cannot go on. All of the “progressives” I know send their kids to expensive private schools. Would never consider moving away from the creative class elite urban dwellings to the crass suburbs with better schools.
    So irritating how the press en mass now refers to undocumented persons. Such blatant manipulation and collusion. Watched a movie last night where a young man was explaining to Kristen Stewart that he was going to graduate school to study journalism. he had a BA and she asked why would you need to go to graduate school to do that. He replied because its a very small club and its who you know. Connections are what matter.
    Never thought much about the Columbia School of Journalism, but what do they teach at an Ivy League school that would enhance a person’s ability to write a news story. And at a cost of 200 plus thousand (tuition +living expenses). From what i can tell an Integrity Course is not offered.

  67. Fast & furious lies
    Justice Dept. must come clean

    “His stonewall crumbles: Eric Holder’s explanations of the Fast & Furious operation are sounding more hollow as new documents emerge.”

    It was all a lie. The angry denials, the high dudgeon, the how-dare-you accuse-us bleating emanating from Eric Holder’s Justice Department these last nine months.

    Operation Fast and Furious — the “botched” gun-tracking program run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — did, in fact, deliberately allow some 2,000 high-powered weapons to be sold to Mexican drug cartel agents and then waltzed across the border and into the Mexican drug wars — just as Sen. Chuck Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, who are leading the congressional investigations, have charged all along.

    That’s the conclusion we can draw from Friday night’s nearly 1,400-page document dump, which gives us a glimpse into the inner workings of the Justice Department as it struggled earlier this year to come up with an explanation for the deadly mess — and “misled” Congress.

    Now the man who supervised it, Attorney General Holder, will appears before Congress again Thursday to testify in the exploding fiasco. But there’s really only one question he needs to answer: Why?

    Why did Justice, the ATF and an alphabet soup of federal agencies facilitate the transfer of guns across the border — without the knowledge of Mexican authorities — when they knew they couldn’t trace them properly?

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fast_furious_lies_0EAFsSpd9y1RaeAxikkGUN#ixzz1ffkDrYQF

  68. holdthemaccountable
    I realize illegal immigration is a mammoth burden in many school districts, but even in places where there are few, our schools are still a mess. The ultimate responsibility for raising a child is the parents/guardians. Not the schools. School’s job is to educate. Not to even the playing field or build the self esteem of one child at the expense of another.
    Been looking into private schools and the only place within proximity is a Catholic school. i have misgivings as I attended. Not Catholic bashing just not a choice with which I feel comfortable.

  69. Integrity Course is not offered.
    ————
    That which is needed most is currently not ‘trending.’

  70. Thanks for an article I can understand, Mrs. S. Tried reading something about this over the weekend; it made me dizzy.

  71. holdthemaccountable

    If i were a journalist I would take a look at the federal tobacco tax(who) $1.01/pack(what) right after bambi flubbed the oath after promising no new taxes(when) all 57 states and 3 to go (remaining three are yet to be selected by master soros)(where)
    Why– leave to your imagination.
    To what extent. If i had a tincture of journalistic talent and integrity my job would have entailed exploring all of the actions from all angles. Several New York roll your own for about thirty dollars a carton are facing legal issues because while you can buy loose tobacco and tubes and your own homemade rolling machine you cannot buy your loose tobacco which is already taxed and use their machines.
    Smoking is stupid. So is hopium.
    But let’s pretend we are a journalist for a second. Who smokes people. Who are less likely to have a support to quit. Sin tax and prohibition do not work

    Real question is pre-bambi the fate of medicare is even more dire thn it is now. Rationalization for a $1.01 dollar per pack was that it would ease medicare/medicaid expenses.

    Best figures i can come up with is about 47 million people smoke a pack a day. 1.01 tax attached, I cannot do math can you tell me what 47 million tames 1 dollar times 365 equals.

    Are we as a nation that stupid 365 times 47 million.

  72. Yes, Admin, you are right. It is probably a good ad. However, I cannot get beyond what he did to Bill Clinton, when all of the while he was doing the same. Hard for me to trust someone like that. Is this the best we can do??? What has happened in the country? I feel like others, that the political parties are an antique Cess Pool of corruption, and talk about entitlements for the people that tow the line, they are the worst.

    What we have running is crap, sorry.

  73. admin
    i do not like the ad. just kind of okay.
    I am willing to vote for Newt.I do mot know if i could vote for Romney. If it were mittens v. Paul I am all Paul third party because i see that freak grey hair dyed privileged GOP favorite son as a joke.

  74. For those who still think Russia doesn’t have problems…

    Hillary Clinton expresses ‘serious concerns’ over Russia’s elections

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the US has “serious concerns” about the conduct of Russia’s parlimentary elections.

    December 5, 2011

    “We do have serious concerns about the conduct of the elections,” Clinton told a press conference, citing a preliminary report by the OSCE about alleged attempts to stuff ballot boxes and manipulate voter lists.

    She said she expected to be briefed after she arrives later Monday at OSCE headquarters in Vilnius.

    “We are also concerned by reports that independent Russian election observers… were harassed and had cyber attacks on their websites,” she said.

    With 96 per cent of the vote counted, the country’s Central Election Commission said it had won 49.5 per cent of the vote, technically short of a simple majority but just enough to scrape a majority of seats in the Duma, the lower house of parliament.

    Barring the unexpected, United Russia is forecast to control 238 seats in the 450-seat Duma for the next five years, down from 315 seats previously.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8936026/Russian-elections-Vladimir-Putins-ruling-United-Russia-party-suffers-poll-blow.html

  75. Secretary Clinton to Travel to Germany, Lithuania, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands

    Media Note
    Office of the Spokesperson
    Washington, DC

    December 5, 2011

    On December 4-8, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will travel to Germany, Lithuania, Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands. In Bonn, Germany, Secretary Clinton will lead the United States’ high-level, interagency delegation to the International Conference for Afghanistan on December 5. The Bonn Conference, the first of its kind to be chaired solely by the Afghan government, will be an opportunity to review progress achieved since 2001 and highlight the strong international support for Afghanistan through transition and beyond. In Bonn, the government of Afghanistan and the international community will engage in mutual commitments to secure the gains already achieved and pave the way for an increasingly self-sustainable Afghanistan.

    The Secretary will then travel December 6 to Vilnius, Lithuania, where she will participate in the OSCE ministerial, as well as meet with Lithuanian officials and with Belarusian and a wide range of other civil society representatives from across the OSCE region.

    On December 6, the Secretary will visit Geneva, Switzerland to deliver remarks commemorating International Human Rights Day, which falls later that week. On December 7 in Geneva, she will speak at the ministerial event commemorating the 60th and 50th anniversaries of the Refugee and Statelessness conventions. The Secretary will also deliver the U.S. national statement at the Biological and Toxin Weapons (BWC) Review Conference, where we hope to revitalize international efforts against biological threats.

    Later that day, the Secretary will travel to Brussels, Belgium, for ministerial-level meetings of the North Atlantic Council, the NATO-Russia Council, and with ISAF partners to discuss Afghanistan on December 7-8.

    The Secretary will conclude her trip with a December 8 visit to The Hague, the Netherlands, where she will deliver the keynote address at the opening of a ministerial conference on Internet freedom that will launch a cross-regional, multi-stakeholder coalition committed to promoting the freedoms of expression, association, and assembly online.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2011/12/178162.htm

  76. JanH
    December 5th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “For those who still think Russia doesn’t have problems…

    Hillary Clinton expresses ’serious concerns’ over Russia’s elections

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says the US has “serious concerns” about the conduct of Russia’s parliamentary elections.”

    …..

    “We are also concerned by reports that independent Russian election observers… were harassed and had cyber attacks on their websites,” she said.
    ____________

    Yes, after reading, I thought the article was about the 08′ elections here in the US.

    Voter intimidation at the polls, people bused in from outlying areas, ballot box stuffing- only thing I see missing from the violations are tombstone voters.

    When the West behaves as the East, you know we are in deeper trouble than we realize-

  77. I decided to look at the ad because admin brought it here, but as soon as that face appeared, I turned it off.
    Does anybody really pay any attention to political ads anymore? We are constantly inundated with them. It’s like the TV commercials – time to go to the bathroom – or like the ads on the web sites – so many I don’t see them anymore. Immune to all of them.

    As for Gingrich, his record is full of smartshit petty games – can never trust him. And the more I see of him the more I am reminded of his behavior during the Clinton years – yuk. I know Romney from his short term in MA – yuk. Perry – too small for a big job. The really disgusting and pathetic fact is that there’s no-one to vote for – as my nephew put it, “They all suck.” As Bill once said to his mother, “It’s Hillary or it’s nobody.” But if it ain’t Hillary, I’ll just have to endure puking while I vote for whoever is opposite Obummer.

    It’s all so lame. We have been gifted with a leader who has the respect of the world, who is dedicated to the welfare of our people, who is supremely experienced and qualified for the job like no other prez in history and the political parties present us with all these crap personalities. It’s like getting excited over phony mashed potatoes and greasy sausage while letting the prime rib rot in the pantry.

    Re Panetta’s upsidedown message to Israel, this is a good summing up of that whole scene:
    Secretary of Defense Panetta Shows How the Obama Administration Is Selling Out Israel…and US Interests – by Barry Rubin
    http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2011/12/03/how-the-obama-administration-is-selling-out-israel/?singlepage=true

  78. Yeah, good commercial except for the pig’s face.

    I’ll hold my nose and vote for him, but be prepared for overreach when he’s elected. I suppose it couldn’t get any worse than the health scam raping pulled on America by the Dims, but I suspect it will be about the same.

  79. I don’t think Obama is taking any chances Hillary may make it as the Dem Nominee somehow somewhere-

    Just a note for the future, Obama and his ilk will be publishing horror stories that will set us back on our heels particularly about Israel and PA. Don’t fall for it..

    Shadow, my intent for saying this is not to belabor the article posted earlier- but as a reminder to all, do not lose faith in Hillary. Anything that seems out of the ordinary published about Hillary from here on in- has to be double checked for authenticity. She’s our girl and must be protected at all costs. When the right opening appears, I know she will come through for us as sure as God made little green apples.

  80. Rooting for Newt as the R nominee eventually debating BO is the only thing we have looking forward to in the next election. In spite of knowing Obama will have knowledge of the Q & As beforehand, it will take only one time for Newt to catch him, undress him, and give him a good spanking buck naked in front of the whole world.

    Word to Newt: check first if the Amazon is hiding behind the debate curtain.. she’s pretty handy as an in house wrestler when the usual SS are inadvertently on sick leave.

  81. “In spite of knowing Obama will have knowledge of the Q & As beforehand…”

    —————
    Corruption at it’s best. Disgusting unethical behavior from the media and the idiot.

  82. JanH 1:52

    O will also be wired so that they can feed him the narrative, since the telepromptor will not be available for these debates.

  83. JanH
    December 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    It’s a given!

    Anything perverted, anti-American, encouraging Hate, humiliating America, oppressive of citizens- Obama is all for it!

  84. Police Stop ‘Occupy Boston’ From Moving In Winterized Tents

    BOSTON (CBS) – Occupy Boston protesters brought a huge winterized tent to the edge of Dewey Square early Monday afternoon, but were blocked by police.

    Occupiers were left standing outside their camp with the military-style, 500-pound tent, which was tightly wrapped up in plastic and wheeled in on a cart.

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/05/occupy-boston-plans-to-bring-in-winterized-tent-despite-menino-objection/

  85. I will not have too much of a problem voting for Gingrich as he will be the anti-Obama . As for what Gingrich did to Bill Clinton, if Bill would have kept his carrot in his pants where it belonged, he would not have had the impeachment issue. I am not going to make excuses for any of the philanderers anymore. They’re big boys who took the risks, and suffered the consequences. My former “leave Bill Clinton alone” stance has modified over time. He’s lucky that he was not run out of town. If he would have been the CEO of a major company who had gotten caught with his pants around his knees, he would have been FIRED! Please, no more excuses for him, or attempts at lessening his dirty deeds. The same for Newt. He’s paid for his immorality. Now I hope that he is beyond doing similar deeds. Obama’s yet to even have to answer for his limo romps, and that’s a miscarriage of justice, imo. So… voting for a person who actually has intellect as opposed to the fabrication of such will be an easy choice for me, warts and all.

  86. Latest ulsterman;

    Ulsterman: The Occupy protests – they appear to be dying down. Will they have any kind of influence on the 2012 Election?

    Insider: You say they are dying down – I say the last few months were a test run. Just like all the racist bullsh-t that came out late summer. The “Blacks hanging from trees” and the president telling Blacks to mobilize – all that was proof of what I told you about the race politics that are coming. But those examples…the race stuff, the Occupy stuff…those were just practice tests for what could be coming by next summer. You got media people sayin’ it. “Most brutal campaign ever” – they know what’s coming. Some of them. They know how far this administration is gonna push to stay in power. And it’s not so much Barack Obama that’s doing the pushing. He’s out in front sure – but he’s got some strong motherfu–ers pushing him in the back. Big money interests. They doubled down on this investment, and they ain’t gonna just get up from the poker table, right? I’ve been at this for a long-long time…seen all kinds of sh-t that would make people wonder what the hell happened to this country…but all that time – all those years – the kinds of people Barack Obama got shoving him to move ahead – keep the pressure on…they have always scared the sh-t outta me. Past administrations…there has always been this element in our politics. The most dubious of special interests. That may be a piss-poor description of what they are, but lets call it that for now. They’ve always been around. Here and there. But this administration – the Obama White House…these people ARE the administration. They ain’t just “here and there” – they are IT. They created Barack Obama and they will use that creation to the very end. And don’t ask me what that end is, ’cause I don’t have a fu–ing clue.

  87. MR. STINKY STILL AT -7%

    RCP has 50.8% Disapprove, 43.8% approve.

    As for the recent touting of “turning the corner” with the unemployment going below 9%, even the NY Times had to fess up a few paragraphs later that the numbers are somewhat misleading, because of all the people who have “exited the workforce”. But the headlines and the first few paragrapsh emphasized how much chamgpagne was flowing at the Whitehouse upong hearing “The Good News”.

  88. I guess I never will get around to scanning Obama/Clinton debate videos to verify O said “He’d take help from anyone … even Hillary.” But I have little doubt he did say it and I think if we are going to rid ourselves of him, we are going to have to assume a similar posture about Republicans this time around. We are going to have to accept ‘help’ wherever it is to be found.

    I recall how down-in-the-mouth I was 2 Christmasses ago: he and his minions met on Christmas Eve to get something massive about Obamacare further along the pipeline. How devastating the whole process was: all those incredible tea party protests against O’care, and they were ignored without apology, without comment from the Obama side.

    I think his first push during a second term will be for the immigration changes he wants. Then our world will be horribly and irreparably different. And after that, he can do as he darned pleases. 12 million more voters for the Dems. A great legacy for the un-American side.

    I’ve just been going over and over how corrupt so much is. I first learned of it at work. Learned quickly that cheating paid (monetarily). I was the only one who would not sign on, and paid the price in comfort and quality of treatment while there. Over and over I reviewed my priorities, and never left the core ones. But the reward was limited to a satisfied conscience.

    As a kid I had parents who reinforced morality, and also I had a steady source of good winning against evil. It was in Hopalong Cassidy every week, Roy Rogers, Matt Dillon, Ben Cartwright….. Today’s kids don’t have that.

    I watched a local, now in his 20’s, grow up. From a dedicated, hard-working kid I was pleased to hire for work around this place – to a time when his good-for-nothing brother got the college scholarship and he was supposed to get one too but it never came through – to now. He’s become a con artist. Still stops by now and then to catch me up on his life.

    Last time he was here he told me how the new truck stop is a bed of “activity”. He hangs there to get business contacts. Is now involved in buying unimproved properties for unpaid taxes. He and his partner will clear cut them for the wood, then let them go to tax sale again. He and partner get some money and leave ruined land. No zoning here so it will happen.

    He told me how the fast food manager at that truck stop hands bus drivers $30 to stop at there with their busload of passengers. rather than at one of the two others nearby. One day his girlfriend and another young woman wanted to see New York City. Through his connection at the truck stop, they got a free ride down on the bus. Someone in the connection got them car service for the day, so they were all over the city. Then had a free bus ride back here.

    Something in it for everyone willing to play. How do you begin a cleanup?

  89. if I live a hundred years (and the doctor says i probably will), I don’t think I’ll ever understand the warped attitudes about sex which continue to make our society so twisted.
    I do understand the dangers of promiscuity and addiction and harm in re to rape and abuse, but please tell me why if someone derives a little pleasure here or there now and then, with or without the understanding of spouses, etc., why this  is of any consequence or even of interest to anyone else. and how does it render one unfit for public office in any political sphere except that of the Vatican or the ministry? 

  90. As far as the debates go, I wonder when the moderators are going to start using teleprompters or maybe they can text mail bambi while the debate is going on.

  91. “or maybe they can text mail bambi while the debate is going on.”

    I have actually seen that tactic used at some of the contentious board of education meetings I cover.

    But it really is far too obvious and I doubt even BO would stoop to that. He’d probably get nose bleed from lowering those imperious vacuous nostrils.

  92. I’m mad that Ron Paul is making fun of the Donald.

    I can’t believe that Newt is the smartest candidate the Rethugs have……..ugh.

    Where is the person I can believe in to vote for?????????????

    Come out, come out Hillary.

    This vote for me will be more painful than voting for McPain was.

    Newt had better start pointing out Barry’s bs and his media bs, hardcore. I don’t want him to go soft like McCain did last time.

  93. It’s beginning to feel like 2008 all over again. The fix may be in. The repub field is pathetic. I hate to sound like jbstonesfan but I am beginning to wonder how any of the current candidates beat BO.

    Now that is depressing.

  94. Lol, popcorn…..one thing Nan “insider trading” Pelosi. Newt is not one of your “sit back and take shit” Reps, i’d watch my back, lovey.

    Gingrich fires back at Pelosi over threat

    Newt Gingrich said that a threat from Nancy Pelosi to disclose information she learned while serving on an ethics committee investigating him during his time as Speaker of the House would “totally abuse the ethics process” and violate rules of the House of Representatives.

    “I want to thank Speaker Pelosi for what I regard as an early Christmas gift,” Gingrich said at a press conference in Manhattan Monday.

    Gingrich denounced Pelosi’s threat as “a fundamental violation of the rules of the House,” and said that if Pelosi were to disclose details of the investigation, it would expose the “tainted ethics process the House was engaged in.” He also called for the House to condemn Pelosi if she were to reveal anything from the ethics probe.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/197255-gingrich-fires-back-at-pelosi-over-threat

    …………………………………

    All I’ll say is Nan has an effing cheek considering her track record.

  95. I would not rule Newt out Basil at all, one thing that man does know how to do is tear someone down, he’s capable if not more capable of taking someone down as Obama’s crew is. One thing Americans like more than anything else is a fighter. He may not be what we want but if he can stop Obama in 2012 then so be it.

  96. “why this is of any consequence or even of interest to anyone else.”
    ____________

    Some people need to lecture morality and dispense forgiveness to feel better about their own self loathing.

    Anyone still wasting a minute of their lives concerning themselves with Bill’s zipper has too much idle time on their hands.

  97. “One thing Americans like more than anything else is a fighter. He may not be what we want but if he can stop Obama in 2012 then so be it.
    __________

    The Kenyan is an American wanna-be. Not a single thing about him is American…

    It’s the American way- Newt may be an a-hole. But we know for sure he’s an American and he’s our A-hole just like McCain. I voted for McCain/Palin last election. Never regretted it for a second!

  98. AmericanGal

    New White House insider—-

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    Thanks for posting, I was hoping for something more optimistic in this election but it sounds like it is gonna get real darn ugly.

  99. Thanks for posting, I was hoping for something more optimistic in this election but it sounds like it is gonna get real darn ugly.

    …………………..

    like we expected anything less, it was always going to get evil.

  100. Am I being paranoid or have antisemitic acts of violence trippled since obama stole the now-tarnished White House?

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    Arson Ravages Florida Jewish Bookstore

    Monday, December 5, 2011

    Michael Katz suspects antisemitism may have prompted an arson attack against his Hollywood, Florida Judaica shop last Thursday that caused an estimated $100,000 in damage.

    “There was nothing taken. So you have to ask, ‘Why focus on a place like this?'” he wonders.

    While firefighters quickly extinguished the early morning blaze, which officials believe was deliberately started within a stack of religious books, little of the store’s inventory could be saved.

    According to Katz, hundreds of sacred texts, tallitim, menorahs and other holy objects were completely destroyed.

    “It saddens us that at this time of the year something like this is happening,” said deputy fire chief Mark Steele.

    Police are still searching for two suspects seen fleeing the scene seconds before a massive fireball blew out the back door in a surveillance video taken from an adjacent business.

    The latest crime comes just days after a 52-year-old man allegedly shattered windows at five Jewish-owned businesses in Highland Park, New Jersey

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/arson-florida.php

  101. Are you happy now barack hussein obama???
    ________________

    Egypt’s unstoppable Islamists

    Op-ed: Election results show that Egypt’s future rests solely in hands of conservative Islam

    Daniel Nisman:12.04.11

    Had he been alive today, Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna would have been proud. Nearly 83 years after its founding, it appears that the Islamist organization’s patience has finally paid off, after the group came away as favorites from Egypt’s first round of parliamentary elections. While the elections still have two more rounds of polling, the preliminary results in Egypt’s largest population centers of Cairo and Alexandria are a telling indicator of things to come.

    After polls closed on November 30th, it appeared that Islamist parties have captured 120 of the 168 seats up for grabs in the first round of elections. The Brotherhood, represented by its Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) claimed 40% of the vote, while ultra-conservative Salafist groups came in second with 20%. The Egypt Bloc, a coalition of secular and Coptic Christian parties originally assembled to challenge the Islamists, came in third, beating out the long time favorite liberal Wafd party.

    The rise of Islamist parties has been a primary concern since Western-friendly dictators began falling in rapid succession throughout the region in 2011. While Brotherhood-affiliated parties swept elections in Tunisia and Morocco, the first round of elections in Egypt was by far the most powerful and stark reminder of the influence and organizational capacity wielded by these groups.

    Even before the campaigning season began, Egypt’s secular parties were already defeated. In addition to their lack of political experience, the liberal and secular ideology of these groups only resonates with the minority of Egyptian society that is educated and well-to-do. These parties’ dire standing in Egyptian society was highlighted in August 2011 when the American embassy was scrutinized for its funding of various pro-democracy groups, eventually resulting in the resignation of the USAID representative.

    While the country cried foul over perceived “American interference” in Egyptian politics, it did not criticize the large sums of money pouring in from wealthy Gulf nations such as Kuwait into the coffers of hard-line Islamists.

    Using these funds, Islamists in Egypt have been hard at work, subtly rallying support for their newly created political parties using age-old tactics of offering charity and religious preaching. During the feasts of Eid el Adha, Muslim Brotherhood members were seen in Giza distributing lamb to impoverished residents – along with campaign flyers for their Freedom and Justice Party.

    Global caliphate in cards?

    Once polls opened up on November 28, Brotherhood members were outside nearly every polling station in Egypt’s rural areas, distributing hot tea and political pamphlets – a blatant violation of Egypt’s election laws, which forbid campaigning at polling stations. During the first round, more than 700 violations were reported, nearly all of them against the Muslim Brotherhood.

    There is practically nothing Egypt’s secular parties or military leadership can do to prevent Islamist domination in the future government. Since the fall of Mubarak, the caretaker military regime has tried desperately to implement supra-constitutional principles that would guarantee Egypt’s secular nature before an Islamist-dominated parliament could draft a constitution calling for implementation of Sharia law. The efforts to implement those principles brought military rulers and Islamists to a loggerhead on November 18, when the Muslim Brotherhood organized mass demonstrations in Tahrir Square, sparking a wave of unrest that nearly brought about a second revolution.

    Even though there are still two rounds of elections ahead, Egypt’s secular parties have a minimal chance of rallying the rest of the country for a comeback. Despite reports of their large turnout and unity, Coptic voters only make up 8% of the population, while leftist and nationalist parties remain unwilling to cooperate out of various ideological disputes. The failure of the elections committee to penalize the Brotherhood for its blatant elections violations proved that it will not be weakened through any legal move.

    With Islamist parties headed for a majority in parliament, only ideological divides between them can prevent Egypt from becoming an Islamic Republic. Despite their mutual affinity for conservative Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafist parties have had a recent history of disagreements.

    Salafi parties not only disagree with the Brotherhood’s more moderate brand of Islam, but also distrust the organization’s intentions regarding future power-sharing. The Brotherhood, on the other hand, understands that a coalition with hard-line Islamists would hamper Egypt’s economy by hurting its image as a democratic country, hurting tourism, and undermining future prospects for foreign investment.

    As it is on track to win less than a majority of votes, the Muslim Brotherhood may find itself looking to secular parties to form a coalition, postponing the advent of panic in the West of an Islamist takeover in the region’s largest nation. However, it would be a mistake to assume that the Brotherhood’s patience has now worn out. As it has done for decades, the Brotherhood will continue to slowly and subtly rise in power and influence, until one day the world would wake up to find that the entire region has become engulfed in a cohesive form of conservative Islam, powered by oil-revenues and united in its resolve. Indeed, the emergence of a global caliphate now seems as viable as ever.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4156655,00.html

  102. Clinton starts “Foreign Affairs Policy Board”

    Posted By Josh Rogin Monday, December 5, 2011

    On Dec. 19, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will host the first-ever meeting of a panel made up of outside experts that will advise Clinton — and her successor — on the top priorities facing the State Department.

    Brookings Institution President Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state, is the chair of the new “Foreign Affairs Policy Board,” which is modeled after the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. He will work with Jake Sullivan, director of the policy planning office at State, to coordinate the board’s activities.

    The Dec. 19 meeting will focus on Clinton’s economic statecraft initiative, a State Department official said. The board members, who will serve two year terms, include a mix of Democrats and Republicans, former officials and experts from the military, diplomatic, and development fields. They include former Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, former Policy Planning Director Anne-Marie Slaughter, former Congresswoman Jane Harman, former National Security Advisor Steve Hadley, former Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, Brookings Institution scholar Bob Kagan, and many more.

    Clinton has been trying to build up the State Department’s policy infrastructure since she came into office. For example, she initiated and then executed State’s first ever Quadrennial Diplomacy and Development Review, which was modeled after the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review.

    And even though Clinton is widely expected to retire next year, she intends for the new Foreign Affairs Policy Board to continue its work even after she steps down.

    “The Board is composed of 25 members who will meet at the Department of State periodically to discuss issues of high priority for the Secretary and the Department,” reads a press release set to be issued later today. “It will focus on broad strategic questions and provide the Secretary and other senior Department officials with insights, perspectives, and ideas. Secretary Clinton will meet with the Board several times during the duration of her tenure.”

    Read the full list of board members:

    Liaquat Ahamed
    Ann Fudge
    Helene Gayle
    Nina Hachigian
    Stephen Hadley
    Jane Harman
    Carla Hills
    Alberto Ibargüen
    Robert Kagan
    Rachel Kleinfeld
    Jim Kolbe
    Stephen Krasner
    Ellen Laipson
    Mack McLarty
    Mike Mullen
    Vali Nasr
    John Negroponte
    Jacqueline Novogratz
    Tom Pickering
    John Podesta
    Anne-Marie Slaughter
    James Steinberg
    Strobe Talbott
    Laura Tyson
    Rich Verma

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/12/05/clinton_starts_foreign_affairs_policy_board

  103. 6 Dec, 2011

    Hillary Clinton orders review of visa program

    JACKSON: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has ordered an extensive review of a foreign exchange program that criminals have used to import women for the sex industry.

    A federal indictment announced last week accuses the mafia of bringing Eastern European women to work in New York strip clubs under the J-1 Summer Work Travel program.

    That visa program allows college students from other countries to spend their summers living, working and traveling in the US It’s supposed to foster cultural understanding and fills American resorts with seasonal workers.

    The State Department has made several changes since an Associated Press investigation last year uncovered widespread abuses.

    A State Department spokesman now says Clinton “has called for an extensive and thorough review of the program.”

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/hillary-clinton-orders-review-of-visa-program/articleshow/10999621.cms

  104. “I would not rule Newt out Basil at all, one thing that man does know how to do is tear someone down, he’s capable if not more capable of taking someone down as Obama’s crew is.”

    You have a point moononpluto, but honestly I can’t stand Gingrich. His hypocrisy on sexual issues is something I just can’t overlook. Not to mention his third, trophy wife, Callista.

    He is brilliant, I grant you that, but also smarmy, pompous and arrogant.

    I’d love seeing him tear BO a new one but I doubt BO’s handlers will ever allow Newt near him. Even though we can’t see the big guns, yet, I can feel Axelrod and Plouffe moving them into place ready to take out whoever the repub nominee is.

    Again, not to sound too jbstonesfannish but if the BO machine was able to take out HRC, who we all know was eminently qualified and actually won the dem primary fight with 18 million “cracks in the glass ceiling,” it seems taking on the pudgy one or the hair would be child’s play. I just wish there was another viable candidate waiting in the wings.

    I mean, seriously, the a$$hat was out of the country for 9 days during the super committee wrap-up, he’s off on another 17 day vacation now, he does nothing to help the country and LSM still carries his water.

    I hate to say this but I fear many voters are just ill-informed, lazy and don’t pay that much attention to elections until the last moment. I saw this up-close during the recent local elections and the things that went on were shocking. Like counting a district in one town twice, tipping the contest to the dims until enough of a fuss was raised that the county had to take another look at results posted election evening.

    And that was done ONLY because the town clerk made a big enough stink the county had to look for the error.

    According to the county BOE somehow a “memory stick” containing the results from one district had been entered into the system twice. You tell me how that happens.

    Other problems occurred with the ballots. They are unclear, the layout was different, the print was tiny, the write-in candidate box was not big enough to fill in other names. And worst of all, IMHO, is that voters were assigned a number when they signed in corresponding to the ballot they were given. So now the votes can be traced. It is all so dirty. If it’s that way locally I can only imagine what happens nationally.

    I want BO to lose 2012 more than anything but d@mn the system is so rigged.

  105. Trump announced this morning, if there is not a strong candidate nominated to oppose Obmama in the 2012 election, he will run as an Independent.

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    I hope Trump does run! That would be a third party worth voting for!

  106. This immigration stance is one for which the elites have defied the people’s will for decades and they have no intention of stopping now.

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    What is the elites’ motive? Cheap dependable yard work, childcare, etc?

  107. I cannot get beyond what he did to Bill Clinton, when all of the while he was doing the same. Hard for me to trust someone like that. Is this the best we can do???

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    That — and the fact that he impeached Bill Clinton at all! Couldn’t he see Bill was doing a good job for the country?

    Why in the world would Clinton fans even consider someone who was against everything the Clintons worked for????

  108. I suppose it couldn’t get any worse than the health scam raping pulled on America by the Dims, but I suspect it will be about the same.

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    It IS the same. Obamacare is just the GOP/Gingrich health plan of the 90s with a new label.

  109. As for what Gingrich did to Bill Clinton, if Bill would have kept his carrot in his pants where it belonged, he would not have had the impeachment issue.

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    Not so. The GOP — Gingrich and Barr etc — were drawing up impeachment papers on Bill Clinton from much earlier. The sex scandal was just a late excuse.

    They didn’t like Bill’s policies. You know, peace and prosperity. Balanced budget. Hillarycare. Stuff like that.

  110. I can’t stand Gingrich. His hypocrisy on sexual issues is something I just can’t overlook. Not to mention his third, trophy wife, Callista.
    [….]
    HRC, who we all know was eminently qualified and actually won the dem primary fight with 18 million “cracks in the glass ceiling,” it seems taking on the pudgy one or the hair would be child’s play. I just wish there was another viable candidate waiting in the wings.

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    You’re right about Gingrich!

    In 2012 as in 2008 Obama will probably have the media on his side, or most of it. But there are big differences between Nov 2012 and May/August 2008. The Dem voters were for HRC (in spite of media bias), and it took the Rules and ByLaws Committee to do the cheating.

    In Nov 2012, other than the non-Fox media, cheating would have to be at the voting precincts and very widespread, which is a different playing field. The GOP had the voting machines, precincts etc rigged in 2000 and for lord knows how many years before that.

    I’m voting third party and praying it wins!

  111. For god’s sake would you stop preaching!

    We ALL know about the Rules and Bylaws Committee but they were not the ONLY ones in on the cheating.

    I just SAW fraud at the voter precincts in one county. It was widespread but the numbers and results were small and data easily manipulated.

    And we ALL know how the voting machines have been rigged for a long time. Nothing new there.

    What IS new is assigning voters a number corresponding to a ballot when they sign in at the polls. Now THAT’S a problem, as are the new ballots. Now there is a record of which number your ballot was and a paper trail back to the voting books which SHOWS how each person voted!

    Did you even vote November 8, wherever it is you live? With all the opinions you fling about on this site it would be pretty funny to think you didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to cast your vote in your own town.

  112. BASIL99
    December 5th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    For god’s sake would you stop preaching!
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    heh! Wait until 9pm when the cocktail word salad takes over. The reason why the word ‘convoluted’ was created-

  113. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/

    The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today-Hallelujah!

    — “That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.”

  114. JanH-I love Hillary and Bill, but it’s pretty clear they dislike Bibi and his right wing coalition. It pains me to see this, but it is not unexpected. However, despite their dislike of Bibi, they do consider Israel’s security essential as a part of U.S. foreign policy. In contrast, Obama not only loath’s Bibi, but is very antagonistic towards Zionism and generally blames Israel for all of the problems in the Middle East. If he gets a second term(almost 100% guaranteed imo), it will not surprise me if he threatens to cut off substantial aid to Israel unless they return to 67 borders. So far, as you can see, most Jews in Congress and others with strong influence in the democratic party(i.e. big bucks) have covered and made excuses for him.

  115. Is it that Republicans have no great people to run as President, or is it that any good poeple don’t want the job bad enough to have their character torn to shreds by a corrupt media and administration?

    You couldn’t pay me enough to run for President, unlike the fraud calf that is still able to just golf, vacation and campaign while Rome burns to Hell.

  116. I never believed that I would relive WWII again.Reports of business being burned books destroyed properties belonging to Jews burned.Shades of the Nazi movement now turnining up in FL and other cities.In Pgh we had the Mt.Oliver section where Bund Leader Fritz Kuhn paraded his brown Shirt troops boots riding pants Swastica flags and armbands every weekend and then came the BS speeches supplied be Dr.Josef Goebles and Herman Goehring and of course the keynote propaganda by the house painter himself Fhuerer Adolf Hitler. Mf greatese concern is that their followers here in this country are young misled kids rich poor educated dropouts and they think they are patriots.
    THey are all the enemy within and present a growing threat to our great democracy.There must be someway to bring First Lady of The World Hillary back with a draft.The whole world wants and needs her.No One
    else of any party is fit for the POTUS chair.

  117. Is it that Republicans have no great people to run as President, or is it that any good poeple don’t want the job bad enough to have their character torn to shreds by a corrupt media and administration?

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    Same for Democrats. And when a good Democrat does run, such as Coakley or Warren, they get attacked from both sides.

  118. Coakley i can stomach with a glass of milk but Warren is a big no thank you. If being a democrat is what she espouses I am lost at sea. She is an over privileged over educated politopoop who believes her job is to educate the rest of us. Save it. Where did/do her kids go to school. Bet it was not public and even if it was bet there was no section 8 scam happening there.
    What if every “progressive” slash “liberal” spent the 20k per year they already spend on private kindergarten to their local schools. Scream spend more money on education and demanding that the arts be maintained at all cost. Sacrifice the bright poor/middle class children to a sub standard education so you can maintain your place. Our schools suck. Warren is a joke. She has never feared about the economies of her kids future. She doesn’t have to she is affluent. Think the woman is a sad a joke. Not just education pretty much everything she says is a joke.

  119. Here’s Elizabeth Warren’s background, per Wikipedia.

    Elizabeth Herring[2] was born June 22, 1949,[3] in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, to working class parents Pauline and Donald Herring.[4] She was the Herrings’ fourth child, with three older brothers.[5] When Warren was twelve, her father, a janitor, had a heart attack, which led to a pay cut, medical bills, and eventually the loss of their car. Her mother went to work answering phones at Sears and Warren worked as a waitress.[5][6]
    At Northwest Classen High School she was named “Oklahoma’s top high-school debater”, which led her to receive a full debate-team scholarship to George Washington University at the age of 16.

  120. I forgot some names.

    And when a good Democrat does run, such as Coakley or Warren, they get attacked from both sides — like Weiner, or Waters, or Rangel or Ragle, or John Lewis, etc etc. Some Republican makes some accusation, and some Hillary supporters believe it.

  121. For those of us who find it incredible that Hillary would say anything “against” Israel, the following is from Ha’aretz, which seems to take it in stride. Remember, Bibi is far right wing and the NGOs in question are left wing.

    Clinton warns of Israel’s eroding democratic values
    The secretary of state explains that she is astonished by the legislative initiatives in favor of restricting left-wing NGOs, as well as by the exclusion of women from public spaces and other phenomena.

    By Barak Ravid

    Three minutes of Q&A at the end of a closed lecture delivered by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Saturday at the Saban Forum in Washington exposed deepening gaps between the governments of Israel and Washington.

    If up to now differences between Washington and Jerusalem centered on the peace process or the future of the settlements, it appears that the U.S. government is now worried about whether democratic values are shared by the two states.

    A source who was present at Clinton’s lecture says that the Secretary of State spoke at length about the Iranian nuclear program, and the need to advance negotiations with the Palestinians. In these connections, the source said, Clinton said little new. The new twist came when she responded to questions. “What does Israel need to do in order to help the U.S. help it?” one of the participants queried.

    Clinton, whose long-standing commitment to Israel is not in question, sighed, and launched into a three-minute monologue that related to domestic matters in Israel. The secretary of state, who is considered one of the most popular politicians in the U.S., explained that she is astonished by the legislative initiatives in favor of restricting left-wing NGOs, as well as by the exclusion of women from public spaces and other phenomena.

    Clinton claimed that she really cannot understand what is going on in Israel. She said that it’s hard for her to grasp how proposals to restrict non-governmental organizations can find their way to the Knesset. In a period when the U.S. is working hard with countries around the world to strengthen their civil sector organizations and structures, Israel appears to be moving in the opposite direction, she suggested. Clinton related that she had read a day before in The Washington Post an article by Ruth Marcus, called “In Israel, Women’s Rights Come Under Siege,” which detailed examples of the exclusion or boycotting of women, including incidents where IDF religious soldiers have boycotted events in which women sang, and the segregation of women on some bus routes, in contravention of Supreme Court decisions.

    The secretary of state related that when she read this report she was reminded of Rosa Parks, the African-American activist who in 1955 refused to yield her seat on a bus to a white man. The boycott of women singing at IDF events reminds her of extremist regimes.

    That seems more suited to Iran than Israel, Clinton opined. She said that she is at a loss to understand how such processes can occur in Israel. She told her listeners that Israel has little idea how badly such dynamics appear around the world. If you’ve ever wondered how discussions between herself and Netanyahu appear – that’s what these images look like, Clinton quipped.

    The Prime Minister’s Office declined to respond to Clinton’s remarks, but some Israeli ministers rejected the criticism she reportedly voiced. Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said that the criticism is “completely exaggerated.”

    Also, Minister Gilad Erdan said that “it would be better were elected officials to concentrate on affairs in their own countries.”

    Before the weekly cabinet meeting, Steinitz said that “the exclusion and segregation of women is something totally unacceptable, and it needs to be stopped, but to cite this as a threat to Israel’s democracy is a big leap.”

    Interior Minister Eli Yishai said that Israel’s Knesset makes laws after thoroughly reviewing issues. “The State of Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East,” he declared. “Everything done here happens within the framework of the law, and I am not worried about that.”

    About a week and a half before her lecture at the Saban Forum, Clinton asked U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro to deliver a message saying that the U.S. administration is extremely concerned about legislation restricting leftist NGOs. Shapiro told Netanyahu’s aides that the draft bill is much more extreme than laws in the U.S. and other Western democracies regarding the activities of NGOs. “I have been instructed by Washington to clarify our position on this issue,” Shapiro told Netanyahu’s National Security Adviser Ya’akov Amidror, and Netanyahu’s political adviser Ron Dermer.

  122. Laying Obama’s Chicago past to rest:
    Blagojevich’s leniency bid faces tough odds, experts say
    At sentencing hearing, ex-governor likely to pay the price for ‘never-ending defiance’
    In a bid to avoid a long prison sentence, Rod Blagojevich is expected to argue he was an effective governor who cared about people, that he was led along by his advisers through the schemes he was convicted of and that he didn’t profit anyway.
    But legal experts said Blagojevich likely faces an uphill battle with U.S. District Judge James Zagel at his sentencing hearing beginning Tuesday.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-blagojevich-sentencing-1206-20111206,0,2223566.story

  123. And here is another more petulant reaction from the Jersulam Pot, with a point that is easily made about American democracy…

    Hillary has greater problems closer to home
    Now that Americans and Israelis may have finished arguing about the campaign to bring emigrants back home, they are in full tilt about comments made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. At a “closed” but thoroughly leaked meeting of Israeli and Americans concerned with public affairs, she expressed deep concern over what she termed a wave of anti-democratic legislation, and Israeli treatment of women.

    She is said to have taken special aim at a Knesset bill meant to limit overseas donations to human rights organizations. She is also shocked by the fact that some Jerusalem buses have separate seating areas for men and women, which made her think about the story of Rosa Parks’ refusal to give up a seat to a white passenger in the 1960s. The practice of some IDF soldiers to leave events with female singers reminds her of Iran.

    Several Israeli politicians have reacted with their own shrill voices. The Minister of Finance said that Israeli democracy is alive and kicking. The Minister of Environmental Protection said that elected officials should “examine their domestic problems first.” In other words, Clinton ought to mind her own business.

    Both Israeli ministers are on record opposing the items that caused Clinton to express her feelings, and accused her of gross exaggeration.

    The Minister of the Interior expressed himself somewhat differently. “I assume that whatever will be done here will be within the measure of the law.” He is the parliamentary leader of SHAS, the ultra-Orthodox Sephardi party.

    This exchange may best to put into the category of items where Hillary Clinton spoke too much and too shrilly, as well as items showing her and the President’s thin understanding of things Middle Eastern.

    In regard to her comments about Israeli democracy, Ms Clinton was sounding like a copy of Israeli politicians of the left and center. They roundly oppose proposals to limit the funding of human rights and other leftist organizations, even while some have criticized foreign governments that fund organizations that are extreme in their anti-Israel activities. There is also wide opposition of proposals to provide elected politicians with more of a say over the selection of Supreme Court judges. However, those proposals would bring the Israel process of selecting judges closer to the overtly political procedures of Clinton’s own country.

    None of the objectionable proposals have become law. That meaning to increase the role of politicians in the selection of Supreme Court judges was taken off the agenda before it received serious consideration by the Knesset. That meaning to restrict donations to left-wing organizations has been modified to narrow its scope, and is still far from being approved.

    The last time I considered the definitions of democracy, they did not contain restrictions against making proposals, or arguing about what governments should or should not be doing.

    The American Congress, like the Israeli Knesset, has lots of members who propose actions to suit their own whims or those of supporters. Only a small fraction of items introduced get a serious consideration, and only a portion of those find themselves enacted into law, most often altered along the way. And political scientists concerned with public administration know that there may be a world of difference between the language enacted and the actions ultimately implemented.

    Clinton’s comments on women’s rights also deserve a low grade due to her shallowness and shrillness. Perhaps we should applaud her for limiting herself to women’s rights on buses and as performers, and not as participants in Orthodox religious ceremonies. That’s also something that Jews argue about, but the evidence is that seating and participation in the rituals have been segregated, at least since the 11th century. The majority of American Jews affiliated with non-Orthodox congregations may look askance as the practice, but that is how the vast majority of Israeli Jews practice their religion.

    Segregated buses serve only the ultra-Orthodox communities, and the indications are that women in those communities tend to support the separation. When I ride Jerusalem’s #4 bus from French Hill through Mea She’arim to the city center, or bus #68 through Bar Ilan Street toward the Central Bus Station, I notice that ultra-Orthodox women getting on in those areas would rather stand than sit next to a male. They hold on with one hand while holding a book of Psalms or the prayer for travel in the other hand, and move their lips while reading the text silently.

    When a religious couple that appears to be married gets on the bus together then sits separately, other passengers may conclude that it is one of the woman’s “impure” days. (I’ll leave it to others to explain that to the uninformed.)

    Rabbis as well as politicians and ordinary Israelis are arguing about the recent uptick in religious Jews’ concerns for the separation of the sexes. If someone would translate for Ms Clinton just about any page of Talmud, she might notice that argument is central to Jewish culture. It happens in just about every Israeli political party, as well as religious academies and the study groups associated with synagogues.

    On relative scores for democracy, Ms Clinton might profit from a lesson in some of the more extensive ways of thinking about the concept. Someone ought to remind her about social and economic conditions existing within walking distance of the American Capitol, and in just about every other large city. Low scores on high school completion, knowledge of civic issues and voting rates, not to mention health care, along with scores off the chart of western democracies for violence and incarceration suggest that she ought really to be talking more about what is closer to her home.

  124. I’m afraid history will be repeating itself with forthcoming attacks against the Clintons. I believe, this is happening because Obama is covering all the bases just in case, as I said yesterday, Hillary somehow becomes the dem nominee.. I’m sure Bill’s popularity and his having so much face time in tv interviews with his new book ‘Back to Work’, explaining what needs to be done to correct the useless track Obama has posited for jobs as not working for getting Americans back to work, has got to be galling Obama and the Axelrod camp to death.

    In this morning’s read, I’ve seen more negative articles surfacing about Hillary’s relationship with Israel which are claimed by anonymous sources. My advise is keep your powder dry.

    Time to gird your loins- it’s going to get quite bumpy and this is just the beginning.

  125. Thankfully, the Donald is coming out once again questioning Obama’s eligibility for the presidency. A while back I read if this question is not addressed and resolved once and for all re-election of Obama if in fact it is revealed at a future date he is not a nbc will set a precedent for future foreign born presidential candidates effectively nullifying the constitutional requirement for natural born citizenship-
    ________________

    Donald Trump now casts even more doubt on Obama
    ‘How come there are no records his mother ever was in hospital?’

    Read more: Donald Trump now casts even more doubt on Obama http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=374625#ixzz1fkfZMOBj

  126. JanH
    December 5th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
    Are you happy now barack hussein obama???
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    I’m sure he is happy now. Very happy.

    I believe he wants to bring back the caliphate which was lost at the end of the Ottoman Empire.

    So far he has interfered in the governments of Egypt, Tunisia, Libya. Jordon and Syria will be falling soon. Iran is getting strong and closer to getting the bomb by the day.

    Yup – he must be quite happy.

  127. Just noticed a tweet:
    StateDept
    #SecClinton to deliver #HumanRightsDay speech in #Geneva at 12:00 PM EST today. Watch live on humanrights.gov. #Dignity4All

  128. • henry
    December 6th, 2011 at 4:02 am
    Coakley i can stomach with a glass of milk but Warren is a big no thank you.
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    Henry, your emotional rant on Elizabeth Warren is so uninformed, it’s an embarrassment. All I can say is I’m glad you don’t live here in Massachusetts … but maybe if you did, you’d know that she is very highly respected here, and probably will be elected.

  129. More on Warren: I wrote this in September:
    Henry, not all “academics” are ivory-tower dingbats. And in my opinion the Reason magazine article is not at all reasonable – it’s a sophomoric rant. I think you might like to know more about Elizabeth Warren before you give her a thumbs-down. The middle class and small business concerns are her passion. My partner and I know a great deal about the difficulties of running a small business – almost 40 years experience in MA – and we are very interested in her potential as a senator. We voters of MA only elected Brown to slap the party, but he’s a dud.

    http://elizabethwarren.com/elizabeth
    There’s also this:
    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111

  130. More on Warren: I wrote this in September:
    Henry, not all “academics” are ivory-tower dingbats. And in my opinion the Reason magazine article is not at all reasonable – it’s a sophomoric rant. I think you might like to know more about Elizabeth Warren before you give her a thumbs-down. The middle class and small business concerns are her passion. My partner and I know a great deal about the difficulties of running a small business – almost 40 years experience in MA – and we are very interested in her potential as a senator. We voters of MA only elected Brown to slap the party, but he’s a dud.
    elizabethwarren.com/elizabeth
    There’s also this:
    vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111

  131. jbstonesfan
    December 5th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    ————
    Agreed. I am waiting to see what happens when the so-called Arab Spring that bambi is taking so much credit for explodes in his face.

    I too love Hillary and Bill but I see this another way. The article that jezwezey posted above is full of truths but even more full of mischief. You and I both know that there are factions in Israel that would love nothing better than to go back to early times and push their non-democratic ways on the population.

    However Israel’s Chief Rabbi yesterday asserted that nowhere in the bible does it say that buses should be segregated, etc…

    As Mrs. Smith suggests above, there are negatives being reported about Hillary. Where I politely disagree with her, is the way the bambi regime is pushing their Islamist agenda in every way they can.

    Continually suggesting that Israel make all the apologies/concessions and Gaza’s terrorist regime none is blatantly unfair. Continuing to blame Israel for everything that goes on in the Middle East is something that started with the slime in the Oval Office.

  132. lil o grape
    More than willing to explore more. No problem with being corrected and love a debate. However bees vinegar honey analogy applies here. Saying uninformed, an embarrassment just pisses me off and had i not taken pause to think would have placed that anger upon Warren. As i do not live in MA not an issue. Something to consider though when selling your candidate dismissive words only serve to alienate and reinforce a position.
    i confess i do not have a comprehensive understanding with regards to Warren. My statement was based on her stance concerning education.
    I, too, have owned small businesses and always try to keep them simple because it is sometimes more work dealing with the paper work and gov’t busybodies than the biz itself. Often when I am fortunate and something clicks I end up selling all or part to the best employees. Win win.
    In the process of opening a bar which i hope will be the flagship for a much larger enterprise and I am just blown away how much money I am being hit up for every other day. Cannot serve alcohol on Sunday in PA without a special license. Don’t have to sell a set percentage of food but you have to buy the right. 500 dollars for 120 days and expire on the 31st of December, Madness. Also in PA you have to have some sort of food available to run a bar, Can be chips but you have to have it and you have to have someone on staff at all times who has a health food safety certificate because you serve food even if its just chips in a bag.

  133. I should clarify my statement regarding the bambi regime. Hillary may not be making the policy, but she is delivering it. And that is what many Israelis take issue with.

  134. JahH, I almost always favor what you say re Israel — do you read Barry Rubin on PJmedia? I’ve learned a lot from his writing … wondering if you think he hits the mark, that is, do you generally agree with his point of view?

  135. Brookings Institution President Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state, is the chair of the new “Foreign Affairs Policy Board,” which is modeled after the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. He will work with Jake Sullivan, director of the policy planning office at State, to coordinate the board’s activities.
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    Strobe Talbott? OMG! That is bad news!

    If you don’t believe me – do a search on him!

  136. Jan…wanted your reaction to this as regards to Hillary

    Is Obama’s US No Longer Israel’s Ally?

    Panetta, Obama’s Sec’y of Defense, Attacks Israel with Vicious/Ugly Lies and Demands

    Leon Panetta, President Obama’s Secretary of Defense, attacked Israel with vicious and ugly lies and absurd demands on Friday, December 2, 2011. In response to a question from Mr. Ken Pollack, who asked, “what steps should Israel take now?,” Panetta answered, “Just get (Israel) to the damn table, just get to the table.”

    ZOA President Morton A. Klein said, “But this promotes the damnable lie that Israel refuses to negotiate –when, in fact, Israel has been pleading and begging Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority to negotiate for the last two plus years, to no avail. In fact, only yesterday the Palestinian Authority repeated its opposition to holding direct peace talks with Israel. It’s the Palestinians who not only refuse to come to the `damn table,’ they openly circumvent negotiations by going to the UN to unilaterally have a Palestinian state declared, violating their signed Oslo agreements with Israel which states that no unilateral steps of that nature is permitted without Israel’s approval.

    “The PA refuses to negotiate even though Prime Minister Netanyahu has openly supported the establishment of a negotiated Palestinian state and even though Prime Minister Netanyahu offered and fulfilled a one-sided 10-month freeze on Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria, while the PA continued to build there.

    “Why has Panetta not told the truth about the PA refusing to negotiate while lying that Israel is refusing to negotiate when in fact Israel is pleading to negotiate? And why has Panetta said nothing about the real obstacles to peace? This includes the PA refusing to end incitement to hatred and violence against Israel in their schools, media, speeches and sermons; glorifying Jew-killing terrorists by naming schools, streets, and sports teams after them; glorifying Jew-killing terrorists by holding day-long commemorative ceremonies when they die; refusing to arrest terrorists; and refusing to accept Israel as a Jewish state.

    Panetta also said, “It’s in Israel’s interest to strengthen it (the Palestinian Authority.) …Now is the time for Israel to take bold action. It will involve risks.”

    ZOA’s Klein responds: “Panetta acts as though the PA’s not being strong enough is an issue, ignoring the fact that they’ve formed an alliance with Hamas and have received billions of dollars in aid form the USA and Europe – not to mention receiving regular training of its armed forces by the US military. And why is Panetta talking about Israel needing to take bold action? Israel has done so! It has already given the Palestinian Authority all of Gaza, almost half of Judea & Samaria (West Bank), offered 98% of Judea & Samaria, parts of Jerusalem and statehood in return for peace only to be met with rejection, terrorism, murder and missiles. Israel has taken huge risks, –yet Panetta punishes Israel by demanding more –while asking nothing of the Palestinians.

    “The ZOA is now questioning whether the U.S. can still call itself an ally of Israel, when it’s repeatedly acting as the Palestinian Authority’s and the Islamists’ lawyer.”

    Panetta also said, “Israel needs to take risks …and has a responsibility to pursue our shared goals to build regional support for Israel and the U.S. security objectives. …Israel can reach out and mend fences with those who share an interest in regional stability –like Turkey and Egypt. …This is an important time to be able to develop and restore those key relationships in this critical area. …If Israel’s gestures are rebuked, the world will see these rebukes for what they are, that is exactly why Israel should pursue them.”

    ZOA’s Klein responds, “Again Panetta only asks Israel to take more risks while the PA has done nothing to show any interest in peace, which Panetta ignores.

    “He ignores the fact that the Palestinian Authority’s Abbas in his recent UN speech referred to Israel’s 63-year old “occupation,” meaning all of Israel belongs to the Palestinians; he ignores the fact that a May 16, 2011 New York Times op-ed by Abbas states that even after the Palestinian Authority achieves a state, the Palestinian Authority attacks against Israel will continue in the UN, human rights bodies, and the International Court of Justice; he ignores the fact every Palestinian Authority map in its government, schools, and media shall shows all of Israel as Palestine.

    “He then asks Israel to build regional support – ignoring the fact that Egypt and Turkey themselves have moved away from Israel and the U.S. by becoming Jew-hating extremist Islamist governments.

    “Where is Panetta’s condemnation of Egypt and Turkey and demands on Egypt and Turkey? Panetta falsely claims Egypt and Turkey want regional stability when all their actions indicate otherwise! Contrary to Panetta’s claims, the world has already seen Israel make extraordinary concrete gestures to the Palestinian Authority and the Arab world and Lebanon and Turkey — Israel only came away with increased danger and isolation. The world has given Israel no credit for its bold gestures and only condemned Israel more and isolated Israel more, and demanded more of Israel. Mr. Panetta, that includes the Obama administration.”

    “The Obama administration has now made it clearer than ever that they irrationally and even antagonistically believe Israel is the reason there’s no peace. The U.S. does not believe it is not the fault of the Palestinian Arabs and the extremist Islamists in Fatah, Hamas, Turkey, Egypt and Lebanon. The Obama administration even blames Israel for these Islamists becoming more extreme and intransigent. Yet Panetta/ Obama foolishly and antagonistically believe that this is the time for Israel to weaken itself by making more concessions to the Fatah/ Hamas regime!”

    “The U.S. is not holding these regimes accountable and is sending a message that these regimes can continue with their anti-peace, pro-terror actions and policies. This is a bad and dangerous policy for Israel. This is a bad and dangerous policy for American and the West.”

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  137. lil ole grape
    December 6th, 2011 at 11:37 am

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    I have to admit that I never go to that site. Can you give me a link?

  138. lil o grape
    respect you
    but can you justify Warrens education take
    If I could send my brat to a 20k kindergarten I too would be doing jumping jacks for our fucked up education system as the more incompetent there that I can pity the better off my kid is.

  139. Carol,

    I was totally shocked by Panetta’s comments and extremely disappointed as well.

    I have turned his comments over and over in my head and still come up with the same results. I cannot believe how much the U.S. government has changed it’s tune about an ally that has every right to exist and every right to insist that the Palestinians recognize Israel and stop their terrorist attacks before negotiations begin again.

    I read yesterday that the Palestinians are refusing to negotiate directly with Israel. And yet the U.S. aka obama allows them to get away with this and anything else as long as they profit from it.

    I agree with the article above 100%.

    I am confused about Hillary at the moment with regards to Israel and am waiting to see what happens in the next little while.

    P.S. Missed you on this site. Glad to see you back. 🙂

  140. henry,

    I’ve kept quiet about this before, but I absolutely hate the term “brat” when it comes to a child.

    jmo.

  141. Klein: Occupy Wall St to Turn Violent Before Fading.

    Exactly what I have been saying all along. The whole movement was created to cause chaos and destruction in America.


  142. JanH
    Every time i call my charge brat I am saying I love you,
    Cultural thing i am sure. I am irish/english/german/cherokee. Stifled peeps.
    Everyday I ask my, pardon the expression, brat if she knows how much I love her. She places her index finger against her thumb and squeezes and says even less. My version of a hug.
    Doing homework imp has even written brat where her name should be– just to get a rise out of me.
    Respect your position on calling a child horrible names but ask you to recognize that sometimes looking at a 5 year old and smiling while saying you are a pain in the ass works. i grew up where a light smack on the head meant i love you.
    Regardless brat for me is a term of endearment but respect if it is not copacetic with you. Will refrain.

  143. Speaking of Elizabeth Warren’s education policy, I remember an early Hillary ad showing her wrapping gifts, and one of the gifts she planned for America was some sort of “pre-Kindergarten” benefit.

    Does anyone know the details of that, and does Warren’s policy differ much?

  144. JanH
    Thank you.
    I have no right to pass on my silly repressive view of the world upon a child. Fucked up that I can only say i love you by diminishing. Spent far to many nights asleep next to her crib fearing SIDs to be a dumb ass limiting her because she fears open expression of her emotions.
    Will not happen.
    THANK YOU did not see it

  145. Panetta’s comments were despicable….lecturing Israel is the height of hypocrisy while other countries in the region torture and kill their citizens, treat woman like chattel, and have ambitions of obtaining nuclear arms with the clear goal of threatening Israel’s existence.I suppose this is payback for Obama’s reluctant actions in September in not backing PA statehood. On a positive note Obama -8.2% today on RCP.

  146. JanH – Barry Rubin is at http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/
    ——————————————————
    Henry, I don’t know specifically what you’re referring to in re Warren on education. What is it you think she says? Republicans are smearing her every way they can think up, of course. Is this what you’re referring to?
    “Texas Rep. Ron Paul called Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren a “socialist” … When pressed on whether public education was socialist, Paul said, “When the state runs things, that’s a socialist thing.” He added, “I preach home schooling and private schooling and competition.”
    bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_1114elizabeth_warren_fights_back_in_first_ad

    So, Henry, are you suggesting that there should not be state supported education and that you intend to home school your “brat” or send her to a private school?

  147. “I absolutely hate the term “brat” when it comes to a child.’

    Oh, come on! Really, are we going to start policing different people’s terms of endearment? I, too, use the word brat to refer to loveable but sometimes mischievous creatures, whether two-legged or four. You don’t like the word, don’t use it, but to criticize another for having the word in their vocabulary is a bit much.

    Definition: one who is playfully mischievous
    A child of a career military person.
    some synonyms: scamp, imp, monkey, rapscallion, rascal, scalawag, scallywag.

    Honestly, Jan, that’s a stretch.

  148. turndownobama
    Believe it or not I do not despise children. I just think our present public education system is a joke. Got one 5 year old that I care about and her education thus far is a joke. I am not happy. I am not comfortable with Catholic school but due to geography I am left with no choice.

  149. The First Lady Of The World is out there working like no other SOS or present day politicians of all parties to save this world from itself and I am very angry with people taking cheap shots at her on this link that we created just for Hillary.Free speech is great if you know what you are talking about.I will not blame her if she decides to retire from all politics.There are no refills worth thinking about

  150. JanH, Carol: Panetta had no business making any such remarks at all. The fact that he did is a serious reversal of the progress that was made with Gates as Sec of Defense. Even under Dubya, Gates recognized that only the State Dept can make statements of political import, only the Sec of State can represent US policy abroad. I foresee a serious disagreement between Panetta and Hillary about this matter, and not just on the content of Panetta’s remarks but especially on the very fact that he made them. It’s not part of his job description. Of course, Hillary’s rebuke will not be in the news.

  151. henry,

    What does that have to do with Warren? What has Warren actually proposed or even remarked about education, and what is your disagreement with what she said?

  152. Now i understand why posters have been leaving this forum. Most of the longterners have left. I wonder why, i’m getting bored with certain people here too. Why do you think i don’t come here as much. I miss the real oldtime 44er’s.

  153. lil o grape
    I would work a third job to get my grand niece(formally known as brat) into a private school. The public schools are pathetic. Would I home school? maybe if I were not an abject failure as an authority figure. Kid really does no wrong ever. Wet the bed twice after getting off pull ups. Almost never cries(except for the pretend want to go to Disney ones). Sensitive, polite organized. Freak child. She wakes up everyday and just starts talking and talking and talking, but always happy. Little thing whose own parents go months without a phone call to her is the definition of mental health from what i can see, We have this one dog maddie who is a pound pup and was going to be put down because she only had one eye. Well now she eats one eye out of all the stuffed animals. Wierd and scary vbut she is uber protective of the kid. Other dog is a border collie who had been thrown from a moving vehicle at high speed. Taken to a clinic bones remodeled and he lived. He never lets the kid out of his sight. Ever. Sleeps at her feet and when her mom had an odd boyfriend and they were taking her for the weekend he attacked. Total freak though because if you yell at him he pees right there.

  154. BASIL99
    December 6th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    ————
    I simply gave my opinion to Henry. Wasn’t policing him in any way.

  155. turndownobama
    will have to get back to you. I am on an annoying netbook so navigating the internet is less than optimal

    Should say I do like Warren’s extremeness in the same way I admire Michelle Bachman. Don’t agree with either but love the fact that they do not permit their voices to go unheard.
    To be honest my biggest problem with Warren is her association with icky.

  156. Mrs. Smith
    December 5th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    “why this is of any consequence or even of interest to anyone else.”
    ____________
    Some people need to lecture morality and dispense forgiveness to feel better about their own self loathing.
    Anyone still wasting a minute of their lives concerning themselves with Bill’s zipper has too much idle time on their hands.
    —————————————–
    This is a bunch of hogwash, and I think you already know it. Your answers are usually much better than this. I do not confuse a lack of morality with a lack of capability. I note a lack of morality and its affect on a host of one’s personal qualities among other things. Good morals beget good character which begets fairness in personal dealings which begets respect from others. Imo, it’s the lack of morality that leads to the mess that exists today. The current state of this nation is a reflection of the immorality of Obama, his supporters, and his campaign. Now, please explain your self-loathing comment. Your quip about forgiveness is way off base, too.

  157. Ron Paul Ad – goes for Newt throat…which Obama will use when Ron Paul is not nominated by the Rethugs, then Paul will run as an Independent?

    I posted this ad the other day, and somehow, it came up with something about ponies??? 😉


  158. moononpluto
    December 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Now i understand why posters have been leaving this forum. Most of the longterners have left. I wonder why, i’m getting bored with certain people here too. Why do you think i don’t come here as much. I miss the real oldtime 44er’s.
    —————————
    Well, I hope I don’t make you feel that way. For the most part, I respect the Clintons. Am I a Clinton zombie, for lack of a better term? Nope. I don’t think I am that way with anyone, but I will support someone that I respect against unfair attack.

  159. Jan,

    Not back…just pass by once in a while. I just disagree with so many positions expressed here that I no longer feel this is a place I want to be regularly.
    I was interested in your reaction. I am also confused and troubled about Hillary’s position. The entire middle east has been destabilized under the Obama administration and I fear the growth and strengthening of Muslim extremism will lead to devastating consequences for Israel and the civilized world.
    I can’t stand Newt and won’t vote for him. At this point I am hoping for Romney as is almost everyone I know……not that Romney is great….but he is the least objectionable of all the candidtates currently running, including Obama. Newt is unelectable.

  160. Okay, now I know I don’t like Ron Paul…he is NOT going to win so why is he trying to eat one of his own; oh, yeah, he is a Libertarian so I guess a Republican is fair game. Brit Hume sort of did the same thing last night in an interview; he stated very slowly and methodically all the ‘violations’ that Newt committed….a long string of them that sounded incredibly bad…it took prompting for him to finally come out and state that there were many of them, and only one minor one was found true. What a crock; sounds like they are trying to ‘shape’ the race.

    And, my dear Henry, do not dare change whatever you are doing right for your charge. I love my kids more than life and I often call them other than their names; like my youngest child, who is now grown over 6 feet tall and a very large man, that I call “My little hockey puck.” This name came about when he was very young and little…his Dad who has been absent for years and years used him like a hockey puck, thus the name. But when I use it I convey that “I love you and cherish you [more than your POS Dad would or could ever] more than anything on earth.” He has never once complained about the endearment. He does not know the origin of the name.
    You are a good person and that child is going to return the love in kind when you are old and gray.

  161. ShortTermer
    December 6th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Okay, now I know I don’t like Ron Paul…he is NOT going to win so why is he trying to eat one of his own; oh, yeah, he is a Libertarian so I guess a Republican is fair game.

    What a crock; sounds like they are trying to ’shape’ the race.
    ___________

    You bet- Now that Ulsterman has posted this revelation there is much more going on here than meets the eye with OWS-

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/12/06/naacp-pushing-race-riots-and-united-nations-intervention-for-2012-elections/

  162. I just disagree with so many positions expressed here that I no longer feel this is a place I want to be regularly.

    ===================

    I wish you and others would express more of your own positions so as to balance the discussion. We know your positions on immigration and Israel, but what about other issues?

  163. Agreed, Shorttermer,

    “And, my dear Henry, do not dare change whatever you are doing right for your charge.”

    Henry, I have always loved the way you refer to your “brat.” I think it is too cute. And for those who perhaps are not familiar with American kids toys (not that I’m an expert but even I know of such things), the Bratz are a very popular brand of little girls’ dolls.

    So let’s not confuse cultural word use with meaning. Maybe it is not a common term in Canada but it is used widely in the states and generally has an affectionate implication.

    You rock, Henry. Keep keeping on and raise y0ur ‘brat’ the way you think right.

    Oh, and about Warren, my familiarity with her is limited to that clip that went viral a few months ago and all I can say for sure is she seemed arrogant and the typical ivory-tower-academia type.

    She got on my nerves.

  164. ‘so as to balance the discussion.’

    So you are now the discussion-balance arbiter, as well? Ever hear of the phrase “Your reach exceeds your grasp?”

  165. jeswezey
    December 6th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    JanH, Carol: Panetta had no business making any such remarks at all. The fact that he did is a serious reversal of the progress that was made with Gates as Sec of Defense. Even under Dubya, Gates recognized that only the State Dept can make statements of political import, only the Sec of State can represent US policy abroad. I foresee a serious disagreement between Panetta and Hillary about this matter, and not just on the content of Panetta’s remarks but especially on the very fact that he made them. It’s not part of his job description. Of course, Hillary’s rebuke will not be in the news.
    _________

    Very good point, jeswezy- and so sad, Hillary is forced to take the blame for it all by association-

  166. O.M.G!

    His incompetence knows no bounds and yet NEVER a word about his zillion faux pas’ by the water carriers.

    Bo does not know where he is! He says he’s glad to be in Texas when he was speaking in Kansas.
    Blames the internets and ATM’s for job losses.
    Works the 99% and 1 % into his script.

    How How HOW can this fothermucker be in the WH???????????

  167. Here’s a terrific summary of what Gingrich really is – (not a pretty picture):

    Newt Gingrich and the unknown unknowns
    By Jennifer Rubin
    At some point, this Newtonian episode is going to wind up in a campaign ad. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in an online interview that she would share what she knows about Newt Gingrich from her days on the ethics committee that eventually meted out a record $300,000 fine. (“I served on the investigative committee that investigated him, four of us locked in a room in an undisclosed location for a year,” Pelosi told Talking Points Memo. “A thousand pages of his stuff.”) Gingrich was outraged that she should reveal the facts about which he was investigated, contrary to a system designed to afford members of Congress the maximum protection. He blustered that this would be a “fundamental [Gingrich’s favorite word] violation of the rules of the House.”
    Wait a minute. Why hasn’t Gingrich released all this information? And by the way, where is the promised disclosure about all his post-speakership lobbying, er . . . historical consulting? Why hasn’t he turned over his contracts, revealed his clients and told us how much he pulled down from which clients? His spokesman said at one point that the campaign would.
    In this regard, both the mainstream and conservative media have fallen down on the job. Gingrich is never pressed in interviews or debates about his lack of disclosure. Many conservative blog and talk shows are uninterested in vetting Gingrich’s record so they don’t make a fuss over it either. (This comes after they made a federal case in 2008 out of then-candidate Barack Obama’s refusal to release his college grades.)
    But this is one of the central dangers posed by Gingrich’s candidacy: Lots of people who worked on congressional committees, at special interest groups and for him in one capacity or another have plenty of details about what he has done over the years. It is the unknown unknowns, as Donald Rumsfeld put it, that are the most dangerous.
    Herman Cain spent months skating by, aware there were oodles of ladies willing and able to step forward and create problems. How many problem stories with much more reliable witnesses are waiting to pop out for Gingrich, should he get the nomination? He is at the mercy of such people. The party, if it selects him, would be at the mercy of such people.
    And yet Gingrich’s approach has been “mum’s the word.” It’s all “confidential,” he said of his deal with Freddie Mac. You can only imagine what else is out there, ready for the Obama hit squad to reveal. And I bet they won’t need to “crowdsource” to get it; people will be lined up around the block to tell their Gingrich tales.

  168. moon pluto
    December 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Now i understand why posters have been leaving this forum. Most of the longterners have left. I wonder why, i’m getting bored with certain people here too. Why do you think i don’t come here as much. I miss the real old time 44er’s.

    I to miss the old timers they had such great posters here, I learned so much from them. If you say any thing that’s not liked your attacked now. Everyone has an opinion and should be allowed to express it without being attacked, some of you are running people off who add so much. Soon there will only be a few here with one mind thought. I’ve always been one who likes to hear lots of different views.

  169. I don’t have too many school aged children in my family now. On one side I have three nieces and on the other a niece and nephew.

    All of them – every single one – has been, or is being, home schooled.

    When a young man or woman who has graduated high school can not even put a sentence together properly or tell the difference between a noun and a verb, there is definitely something wrong with the public school system!

  170. Highest its ever been….

    Rasmussen : Election 2012: Generic Republican 49%, Obama 41%..
    ================

    Thanks as I missed this..however, can we all agree Newt and Paul cannot win. It must be Mitt.

  171. BASIL99
    December 6th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    ————-
    Basil,

    For the last time, I did not TELL Henry to do anything. I simply gave an opinion. I see everyone including yourself giving them time and time again when you don’t like something.

    I guess I’m the only one not allowed to.

    I think I will take a break from here for a bit.

  172. Jan,

    Sorry, but here in the states parenting advice, on a personal level, is not usually well-tolerated, especially when the “parent” is so obviously caring, loving, concerned and trying so hard to do the right thing.

    I worked with thousands of kids and parents over the years. It’s like criticizing a Hispanic parent for calling a daughter “Mommi,” or a son “Pappi.

    Honestly, in english, the thought of calling a kid mommy or daddy is repulsive but it works perfectly well in spanish. It’s the tone of the voice, the intention of the pet name that matters. Now if someone were “lovingly” calling a daughter Bytch” or “c**t,” well, that might be inappropriate. Brat, not so much.

    I just could not help chiming in for Henry who, from his posts, seems to have taken on a difficult task with his “grand-niece” and is doing his best to give a little girl he clearly adores a loving home.

    I have nothing but respect for him on that score.

  173. I take no offense with anyone calling me on anything I might say. We all have different sensitivities. i am a gay man and the word faggot does not bother me at all. yet I cringe when I hear a straight guy say dyke. makes no sense. We all use words weighted by the meaning we ascribe to them and in general I try to respect the feelings of others.
    Quite glad JanH called me on the brat thing as i need to remember that little girl might sometimes need more than a smack on the back of the head.
    We just made 5 snow globes using super glue, dollar store ornaments, glitter and empty pickle jars. Total cost five dollars, Ruined my dining room table as glitter bathrd in super glue got everywhere. tomorrow might buy tons of super glue and glitter and just finish off the whole table. Lucky me.

  174. moononpluto
    December 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Now i understand why posters have been leaving this forum. Most of the longterners have left. I wonder why, i’m getting bored with certain people here too. Why do you think i don’t come here as much. I miss the real oldtime 44er’s.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    I think part of the reason a lot of people have stopped dropping by here is because in 2008, Hillary was in the middle of a primary battle.

    I think back then, you had just as high of a rate of “opinionated” people as now. I think we still have excellent content, partly because Obama gives us so much to criticize.

    I think admin still bring great content, and we have a good level of discourse.

    As for me personally, back in July at my job, one guy left our department, so my workload shot up…so I’ve had a lot less time to read and contribute. But I come here first.

  175. basil99
    i appreciate your concern but i was in no way bothered by JanH. I actually do thank her, I need to remember that my sarcastic/sardonic person is not who I want my crud to be. i get where she was coming from. Not easy for me to be that kind of nurturing. To this day my mother will call me a son of a bitch good or bad. Oh and I know the “Moonstruck” pinch also good or bad. Funny i didn’t even know til a friend pointed it out to me a few years ago I don’t even curse unless i am saying it in a “loving way”– meaning i only say asshole with a half smile. brat is a very negative term and I see how someone could say don’t call a kid a brat. No biggie anywho.
    Love your posts love JanH’s. All is good. i am even comfortable with voting for Nrwt.

  176. blue
    December 6th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    “…You can only imagine what else is out there, ready for the Obama hit squad to reveal. And I bet they won’t need to “crowdsource” to get it; people will be lined up around the block to tell their Gingrich tales.”

    In that case I am glad Ron Paul or someone else will be around as a third party choice.

  177. I just got this email and it upsets the heck outta me:

    Dear xxxxxx,

    Together, we made history in the last presidential election.

    From Hillary’s speech at the Democratic National Convention, to the work and support that each of us brought to the campaign, that story lives on — in the history books, in our memories, and in the mementos that commemorate that time.

    Now, those mementos are disappearing as your fellow supporters claim the last of them.

    We only have a few official campaign posters, buttons and t-shirts left. We’re running out of the DVDs with Hillary’s historic speech at the 2008 Denver convention, the inspiring video that introduced her, and President Clinton’s speech — some of which are signed by President Clinton himself.

    Once these last items are gone, they’re gone forever.

    Make a contribution today and we’ll send you one of the last DVDs with Hillary’s and President Clinton’s convention speeches.

    In her speech in Denver, Hillary told us, “You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.”

    As we all know, campaigns are tough, but having loyal supporters like you helped make Hillary’s campaign one that will never be forgotten.

    By making a contribution today, you will have your own personal remembrance of the “determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles” — one of the last such mementos there will ever be. And all contributions will go to paying the last of the expenses the campaign incurred while making our historic stand.

    Contribute today to receive one of the last commemorative campaign DVDs or another one of our last few items.

    “You never gave in. You never gave up. And together, we made history.”

    Those words are as true today as they were when Hillary first spoke them. I hope you’ll reserve your piece of history today.

    Thank you again,

    Allison
    Hillary Clinton for President

    ————
    Why are they sending this out now? Is it to say, she wants to pay off the last of her debt and never, ever run for President again???

    🙁

  178. Henry,

    Well, I stand corrected. But brat is not a negative term unless you think calling career military kids “brats” is a negative term.

    Definition: one who is playfully mischievous
    A child of a career military person.
    some synonyms: scamp, imp, monkey, rapscallion, rascal, scalawag, scallywag.

    Actually, I think CRUD is far worse. And by all means be sure you don’t give your “crud” a “smack on the head.”

    What can I say? Semantics matters. The meaning of “fairy tale” matters as we saw all too well in 2008.

    😉

    As for Jan, I will know better than to insert myself in conversations between you and her in the future.

    So, Jan, I stand corrected with you, too.

  179. moononpluto: “i’m getting bored with certain people here too.”

    Oh brother, I bet I’m among the “certain people”!!!

  180. Shadowfax: ” Is it to say, she wants to pay off the last of her debt and never, ever run for President again???”

    You can read it that way, I guess, but I don’t. Ir’s just memorabilia that is running short. And Hillary has nothing to do with it!

  181. I think we’ve all got to take a breath and step back a little. Nerves are frayed both here and the worries of the ME blowing up on our watch.

    Granted, it appears Obama has big plans to ensure his re-election destroying the country if need be- to get what he wants. As the false protagonist, he is reshaping the country into a Third World entity of the poor and homeless, victims of his secret totalitarian intentions using good people involved in the OWS protest as pawns under the direction of his Alinsky minions. (i.e.Van Horn)

    Right now, it is very important to keep our “cool” and watch what Obama’s plans are next… keeping an ear to the ground for any rumors you’ve heard and posting them here.

    We’re all getting cabin fever with so much to do before the holidays and so much to accomplish whats expected of us at work and our daily drudge..

    Most of all, we have to be kind to each other- we are all in this together for the same reason hoping that Hillary will be standing in the mist and the moonlight waiting for the right time to make her move.

    I left Kipling’s poem here for a quick read because the timing seems to be appropriate under the circumstances…
    ____________

    “If”

    Rudyard Kipling

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too:
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;

    If you can dream — and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think — and not make thoughts your aim,
    If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same:
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools;

    If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
    And never breathe a word about your loss:
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings — nor lose the common touch,
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much:
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And — which is more — you’ll be a wo/Man, my son/daughter!

    — Rudyard Kipling

  182. jeswezey

    Ir’s just memorabilia that is running short. And Hillary has nothing to do with it!
    ——
    I like your take on it, so I will adopt it. 😉

  183. jeswezey
    December 6th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    I agree- I got the same message in my e-mail and thought of them as collectable mementos of Hillary gear. Remembrances of her formidable run in 08′. Hats, sweatshirts and buttons stamped with 2008 and her suspension speech on dvd are historical political artifacts of the first woman ever gaining enough traction and popularity among voters to beat a male candidate for president in the 08’election.

  184. Key Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Tuesday he will not take part in a debate moderated by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump later this month.

    Romney, who is battling a late surge by former House speaker Newt Gingrich, said Trump had wished him well after the former Massachusetts governor became the third candidate to announce they will skip the debate.

    “I’m not participating,” he told Fox television, saying he already has two debates scheduled this month, and was campaigning hard to secure support in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida.

    “I spoke with Donald Trump earlier today and indicated that we just can’t make this debate and we focus on the other two. And, I will be campaigning,” he added.

  185. Basil,

    I apologize if I came across the wrong way. It has been a very bad week for me and I guess the stress is getting worse and worse.

    I have a 3 hour appointment for medical testing tomorrow and I am beyond nervous and worried.

    Again I apologize for snapping.

  186. JanH
    For what its worth i took no offense. i am king of inappropriate. Relish your posts. Two years ago i knew close to zip about Israel and her relationship to the US. Since have read up. my grasp is at best sophomoric and i realize I’ll never possess anything akin to a substantial understanding of that world but think I am the better for having made the exploration. The kid and I make movies all the time. because i cannot play vet or mommy and daddy to a stuffed kitten ever again in my life. Exhausting. Try to make our films instructive and empowering. Done Belle. Hillary, Elenore. Bronte and others. next up Golda Meir. Sadly i have to do tons of research and create the basic story and then my five year old gets script approval and then directs.

  187. FYI, Henry.

    crud – a filthy, repulsive, or contemptible person.

    something that is worthless, objectionable, or contemptible.

    Those are just a few of the more sanitary definitions.

    LOL

    😉

  188. Basil99
    Sounds bout right but leaves out annoying relentless and never ever ever stops talking from the time her eyes open.
    So screwed as i added brat, monster and a few others to words we don’t use. Penalty is .25 but shut up and stupid are 5 dollars. All goes for Disney. I want to take her to Euro Disney and i have three brothers and a sister that cannot not curse. JanH is actually providing half my vacation. 12 days of my peeps not saying brat monster imp. Not going to happen. Four days Paris/Euro Disney all inclusive is only 400 dollars cheaper than 5 days in Orlando.

  189. Shadowfax
    December 6th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    I just got this email and it upsets the heck outta me:
    &&&&&&&&&

    I got that email too.

    I take it to be the opposite. It is a sign that fund-raising on Hillary’s behalf (shadow, not overt) is well and alive. “Retiring debt” is one goal, but keeping the network is another. For 2016, or sooner if needed…yaknowwhuttimean?

  190. BASIL99
    December 6th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    O.M.G!

    His incompetence knows no bounds and yet NEVER a word about his zillion faux pas’ by the water carriers.

    Bo does not know where he is! He says he’s glad to be in Texas when he was speaking in Kansas.
    &&&&&&&&

    To him, it’s just another RED state with WHITE people that ends in “AS” and makes him BLUE, and GREEN with envy that only a Dem named Hillary could turn those states “PURPLE”.

  191. re the campaign email history disappearing, maybe they want people to put the lawns sign out…. it’s campaign material so maybe this is their way of starting something? probably over thinking it, but it would be nice to drive around and see hillary for president out on peoples lawns.

  192. NH PAPER: MR. USELESS HAS TO GO

    http://unionleader.com/article/20111205/OPINION01/712059997/-1/opinion

    Not eight years: Time’s up for Obama
    ================

    New Hampshire Union Leader
    Published Dec 5, 2011

    President Obama is horrible at governing. He’s not bad, though, at moving goalposts.

    The stimulus was supposed to “save or create” a bazillion jobs. When the jobs on the “create” side of the ledger were smaller than predicted, the administration did away with the term and started using jobs “funded.” That, of course, includes numerous pre-existing jobs (including part-time ones) at every company or government entity that received stimulus money.

    In the debt ceiling debate this past summer, the White House initially agreed to a target of $800 billion in new revenue. When House Republicans put out a plan to reach that figure, the White House raised the bar to $1.2 trillion.

    Now the President who gave himself one term to fix the economy is asking for another four years to complete the job.

    “After all that is happening in Washington, it may be tempting to believe that change may not be as possible as we thought,” Obama told donors last week. “It has been three wrenching years for this country … It’s going to take more than a few years to meet the challenges that have been decades in the making.”

    Then the clincher: “‘I’m going to need another term to finish the job.”

    We wonder if any of the donors who gave Obama money that night (he reportedly raised $2.4 million as Occupy Wall Street protesters rallied on the street outside the hotel) recall the January, 2009, Today Show interview in which Obama gave himself three years to turn the economy around.

    “I will be held accountable. You know, I’ve got four years,” he told Matt Lauer. “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

    It’s been three years. Time’s up.

  193. It is a sign that fund-raising on Hillary’s behalf (shadow, not overt) is well and alive. “Retiring debt” is one goal, but keeping the network is another. For 2016, or sooner if needed…yaknowwhuttimean?

    ====================

    That was kind of my thought too. Why NOW? Isn’t it kind of stepping on Obama’s toes to compete with his own fundraising for 2012? Let’s hope….

  194. turndownobama
    December 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
    ====================

    That was kind of my thought too. Why NOW? Isn’t it kind of stepping on Obama’s toes to compete with his own fundraising for 2012? Let’s hope….
    &&&&&&

    Well, it is stepping on his toes…But the way it’s being done, they can pass it off as innocuous.

    But you have to believe that Axlegrease and Obummer’s sleazy handlers are suspicious of Hillary, and the people working “on her behalf”.

    And for good reason: while Obummer was on an overtly political trip, lamely trying to pretend to be Teddy Roosevelt….Hillary was on the world stage again (presidentially) talking about Gay rights.

    The comparison, Obama’s tinny whining, and Hillary’s eloquent statesmanship, are too obvious to ignore.

  195. moononpluto,
    your remark about missing the early 44 warriors prompts me to say I sometimes feel very nostalgic about those early days on 44 and what we all went through together during Hillary’s campaign – how excited we were, how we celebrated every win, listened to all her marvelous speeches together, reported all the shenanigans on the trail, shouted, cheered, agonized etc – it was a wonderful time! Now to stir your memory a bit (and bring a mist to your eyes?) let’s go down memory lane … do you remember …
    djia confloyd birdgal Blue Democrat moononpluto tim basil9 dot48 mj NewMexicoFan hallow Paula skmf 1950democrat justmeinmountdorafl BerkeleyVox wbboei carbynew texan4hillary meiyingsu paddyforhill neetabug kostner curiosityhasme terrondt alcinaa rgb44hrc Ronald henry jbstonesfan OkieAtty JentheMichigander Debbie hawk Norma Desmond linfar warehouse ABM90 Emmy CountTheVotes lil ole grape turndownobama Gorto ShortTermer AmericanGal freckles Idunn PaulVillarreal B Merryfield S Sugar tiburones rickya NYCMax spega Hillmeister basement angel Kingsgrove Canaan etc etc oh, what a time it was!

  196. moononpluto,
    your remark about missing the early 44 warriors prompts me say I sometimes feel very nostalgic about those early days on 44 and what we all went through during Hillary’s campaign – how excited we were, how we celebrated every win, listened to all her marvelous speeches together, reported all the shenanigans on the trail, shouted, cheered, agonized etc – it was a wonderful time! Now to stir your memory a bit (and bring a mist to your eyes?) let’s go down memory lane …
    djia confloyd birdgal Blue Democrat moononpluto tim basil9 dot48 mj NewMexicoFan hallow Paula skmf 1950democrat justmeinmountdorafl BerkeleyVox wbboei carbynew texan4hillary meiyingsu paddyforhill neetabug kostner curiosityhasme terrondt alcinaa rgb44hrc Ronald henry jbstonesfan OkieAtty JentheMichigander Debbie hawk Norma Desmond linfar warehouse ABM90 Emmy CountTheVotes lil ole grape turndownobama Gorto ShortTermer AmericanGal freckles Idunn PaulVillarreal B Merryfield S Sugar tiburones rickya NYCMax spega Hillmeister basement angel Kingsgrove Canaan etc etc oh, what a time it was!

  197. nomobama, Tony Stark: Yes, but as pointed out in the article, these powers already exist. They are just being defined more clearly in scope. What makes me wonder is how a bill passed 93-7 by the Senate will be taken (by whom?) as a heart bleed for “the people” by Obama if he vetoes it. In reality, we will just have to wait and see what he does.

  198. The usual vapid pouring salt in the wounds of middle class Americans’ speech- Same ole’ 08′ Hope and Change speech absent ‘Change’ and wanting for the ‘show me how’ in solutions! Oh, that’s right- He announced how good it was to be in Texas when he actually was in Kansas giving the speech-
    ___________

    Obama sets campaign theme: Middle class at stake

    OSAWATOMIE, Kan. (AP) — Declaring the American middle class in jeopardy, President Barack Obama on Tuesday outlined a populist economic vision that will drive his re-election bid, insisting the United States must reclaim its standing as a country in which everyone can prosper if provided “a fair shot and a fair share.”

    While never making an overt plea for a second term, Obama’s offered his most comprehensive lines of attack against the candidates seeking to take his job, only a month before Republican voters begin choosing a presidential nominee. He also sought to inject some of the long-overshadowed hope that energized his 2008 campaign, saying: “I believe America is on its way up.”

    In small-town Osawatomie, in a high school gym where patriotic bunting lined the bleachers, Obama presented himself as the one fighting for shared sacrifice and success against those who would gut government and let people fend for themselves. He did so knowing the nation is riven over the question of whether economic opportunity for all is evaporating.

    “Throughout the country, it’s sparked protests and political movements, from the tea party to the people who’ve been occupying the streets of New York and other cities,” Obama said.

    “This is the defining issue of our time,” he said in echoing President Theodore Roosevelt’s famous speech here in 1910.

    “This is a make-or-break moment for the middle class and all those who are fighting to get into the middle class,” Obama said. “At stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home and secure their retirement.”

    For Obama, saddled with a weak national economic recovery, the speech was a chance to break away from Washington’s incremental battles and his own small-scale executive actions. He offered a sweeping indictment of economic inequality and unleashed his own brand of prairie populism.

    He spoke for nearly an hour to a supportive audience, reselling his ideas under the framework of “building a nation where we’re all better off.”

    Billed as an important address that would put today’s economic debates in context, Obama’s speech seemed a bit like two packaged into one.

    The first was that of the campaigner, full of loft and reclamation of American values. The second was the governing Obama, who recited his familiar jobs agenda, his feud with Congress over extending a Social Security tax cut, even his fight to get his consumer watchdog confirmed.

    Obama tied himself to Roosevelt, the president and reformer who came to this town in eastern Kansas and called for a “square deal” for regular Americans. Roosevelt said then the fight for progress was a conflict “between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess.”

    It is a theme Obama is embracing in a mounting fight for re-election against Republicans who, regardless of the nominee, will attack his stewardship of the economy.

    One of the leading contenders for the GOP nomination, Mitt Romney, ridiculed Obama for comparing himself to Roosevelt.

    Obama “said that he is like Teddy Roosevelt,” Romney said at a campaign event in Paradise Valley, Ariz. “And I thought, `In what way is he like Teddy Roosevelt?’ Teddy Roosevelt of course founded the Bull Moose Party. One of those words applies.”

    Kirsten Kukowski, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said, “Maybe instead of trying to be like other presidents, Obama should try being president.”

    Obama took aim at the Republicans, saying they would only return the same structures that led to America’s economic downturn. “Their philosophy is simple: We are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules,” Obama said. “I’m here to say they are wrong.”

    The president conceded that the country is in the midst of a consuming re-examination on his watch, prompting national movements against both government spending and an economy that many feel disproportionately favors the elite. Obama went on the offensive about income inequality, saying it distorts democracy and derails the American dream.

    Responding to those who want to cut taxes and regulation in the belief success will trickle down, Obama said: “Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It’s never worked.”

    Obama noted that Theodore Roosevelt was called a “radical, a socialist, even a communist” for putting forth ideas in his last campaign such as an eight-hour work day, a minimum wage for women, unemployment insurance and a progressive income tax.

    Left unsaid: Roosevelt’s Bull Moose campaign in 1912 failed to return him to the White House.

    Obama attempted to sum up the pain and peril for a society where the middle class is struggling. But he also called for individual responsibility.

    “In the end,” he said, “rebuilding this economy based on fair play, a fair shot and a fair share will require all of us to see the stake we have in each other’s success.”

    Obama also challenged the big banks that took bailouts from American taxpayers, pointing to “a deficit of trust between Main Street and Wall Street.” He said banks that were bailed out had an obligation to work to close that trust deficit and should be doing more to help remedy past mortgage abuses and assist middle-class taxpayers.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-06-14-04-33

  199. Regarding the above article with Obama comparing himself to Roosevelt. Proof Obama has no clue into historical facts relating to former US Presidents in US History- The Dumb and Dumber Obama Presidency…

    “Left unsaid: Roosevelt’s Bull Moose campaign in 1912 failed to return him to the White House.

    ________________

    Romney staff spent nearly $100,000 to hide records

    06 Dec 2011 00:28

    Source: reuters // Reuters

    * Republican presidential hopeful’s actions unprecedented

    * Aides purchased hard drives of state-issued computers

    * Emails and other communications wiped from servers

    By Mark Hosenball

    WASHINGTON, Dec 5 (Reuters) – Mitt Romney spent nearly $100,000 in state funds to replace computers in his office at the end of his term as governor of Massachusetts in 2007 as part of an unprecedented effort to keep his records secret, Reuters has learned.

    The move during the final weeks of Romney’s administration was legal but unusual for a departing governor, Massachusetts officials say.

    The effort to purge the records was made a few months before Romney launched an unsuccessful campaign for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. He is again competing for the party’s nomination, this time to challenge Barack Obama for the presidency in 2012.

    Five weeks before the first contests in Iowa, Romney has seen his position as frontrunner among Republican presidential candidates whittled away in the polls as rival Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives, has gained ground.

    When Romney left the governorship of Massachusetts, 11 of his aides bought the hard drives of their state-issued computers to keep for themselves. Also before he left office, the governor’s staff had emails and other electronic communications by Romney’s administration wiped from state servers, state officials say.

    Those actions erased much of the internal documentation of Romney’s four-year tenure as governor, which ended in January 2007. Precisely what information was erased is unclear.

    Republican and Democratic opponents of Romney say the scrubbing of emails – and a claim by Romney that paper records of his governorship are not subject to public disclosure – hinder efforts to assess his performance as a politician and elected official.

    As Massachusetts governor, Romney worked with a Democrat-led state house to close a budget shortfall and signed a healthcare overhaul that required nearly all state residents to buy insurance or face penalties.

    Massachusetts’ healthcare law became a model for Obama’s nationwide healthcare program, enacted into law in 2010. As a presidential candidate, however, Romney has criticized Obama’s plan as an overreach by the federal government.

    Massachusetts officials say they have no basis to believe that Romney’s staff violated any state laws or policies in removing his administration’s records.

    They acknowledge, however, that state law on maintaining and disclosing official records is vague and has not been updated to deal with issues related to digital records and other modern technology.

    BUYING UP HARD DRIVES

    Romney’s spokesmen emphasize that he followed the law and precedent in deleting the emails, installing new computers in the governor’s office and buying up hard drives.

    However, Theresa Dolan, former director of administration for the governor’s office, told Reuters that Romney’s efforts to control or wipe out records from his governorship were unprecedented.

    Dolan said that in her 23 years as an aide to successive governors “no one had ever inquired about, or expressed the desire” to purchase their computer hard drives before Romney’s tenure.

    The cleanup of records by Romney’s staff before his term ended included spending $205,000 for a three-year lease on new computers for the governor’s office, according to official documents and state officials.

    In signing the lease, Romney aides broke an earlier three-year lease that provided the same number of computers for about half the cost – $108,000. Lease documents obtained by Reuters under the state’s freedom of information law indicate that the broken lease still had 18 months to run.

    As a result of the change in leases, the cost to the state for computers in the governor’s office was an additional $97,000.

    Andrea Saul, a spokeswoman for Romney’s presidential campaign, referred questions on the computer leasing deal and records removal to state officials.

    Last week, Saul claimed that Deval Patrick, the present Massachusetts governor and a Democrat, was encouraging reports about Romney’s records to cast the former governor as secretive. Patrick’s office has not responded to that allegation.

    STATE REVIEWING RECORDS LAW

    The removal of digital records by Romney’s staff, first reported by the Boston Globe, has sparked a wave of requests for state officials to release paper records from Romney’s governorship that remain in the state’s archives.

    Massachusetts officials are now reviewing state law to determine whether the public should have access to those records.

    The issue is clouded by a 1997 state court ruling that could be interpreted to mean that records of the Massachusetts governor are not subject to disclosure. Romney has asserted that his records are exempt from disclosure.

    State officials and a longtime Romney adviser have acknowledged that before leaving office, Romney asked state archives officials for permission to destroy certain paper records. It is unclear whether his office notified anyone from the state before destroying electronic records.

    Officials have said the details of Romney’s request to remove paper records, such as what specific documents he wanted to destroy, could be made public only in response to a request under the state’s freedom of information law. Reuters has filed such a request. (Reporting by Mark Hosenball; editing by David Lindsey and David Storey)

    http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/romney-staff-spent-nearly-100000-to-hide-records/

  200. Leanora- I believe you posted something about this the other day-
    _____________

    The United States of the UN: Selling Our Sovereignty

    The UN goal is to move the United States into global government by environmental regulations and a vast network of taxes. These newly-imposed taxes will give the UN a tremendous stream of money in addition to U.S. dues and congressional appropriations.

    The plan for taxes was launched at the 1992 UN meeting in Rio de Janeiro, known as the Earth Summit, where Conference Secretary General Maurice Strong produced a 300-page document with 40 proposals called Agenda 21. The tax-seeking route then proceeded through UN meetings in Cancun in 2010, in Durban this November, and will be finalized next year at what is called Rio+20 (i.e., Rio de Janeiro after 20 years).

    Agenda 21 is a comprehensive master plan to reshape and control the U.S. and lock us into the clutches of the UN under the innocuous phrase Sustainable Development.

    Along with 178 countries, President George H.W. Bush accepted Agenda 21 as “soft law” adopted by a new tactic called collaborative consensus building, instead of by treaty.

    Bush popularized the term New World Order, but left it for others to define. Mikhail Gorbachev said the threat of an environmental crisis will be the international key to unlock the New World Order, and President Bill Clinton issued an Executive Order in 1993 creating the President’s Council on Sustainable Development.

    Advocates of Agenda 21 talk about the three E’s of Sustainable Development: Economy, Equity, and Environment. Equity means replacing our American constitutional system with central planning and “social justice,” which is a code word for redistribution of wealth, abolition of private property rights, and giving favored corporations tax breaks, grants, and use of Eminent Domain.

    Economy means shifting from a private enterprise system to government-private-corporation-partnerships. That would be a giant step toward total government and UN control of our economy, with the ability to redistribute our goods and services to foreign countries.

    Environment means giving animals and plants more rights or at least equal rights with humans. It also promotes worship of nature and Mother Earth.

    To talk about Agenda 21, you will have to get used to a new vocabulary: green jobs, green building codes, going green, regional planning, smart growth, biodiversity, sustainable farming, growth management, resilient cities, sustainable communities, redistribution, urban growth boundaries, redevelopment districts, and consensus.

    Agenda 21 wants to herd people into crowded communities, with limited housing space and limited parking spaces. This will promote the green goal of reducing our use of automobiles, allowing only electric cars that can’t go very fast or very far, so people will have to walk and use bicycles and mass transit.

    Agenda 21 supports the Wildlands Project, which seeks to re-wild 50 percent of our nation and turn it into a pre-Columbian wilderness where animals roam freely and humans are crowded into limited spaces. Already, we find that rural roads are not being repaired or maintained.

    Agenda 21 has started its attacks on rural and small-town property rights. Six hundred U.S. cities and counties have signed on to ICLEI (International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives, pronounced ik-lay), putting themselves indirectly under supervision of UN regulations and restrictions.

    Advocates of Agenda 21 believe the earth is overcrowded. They demand an 85 percent reduction in human population.

    It’s a major goal of Agenda 21 to lower the U.S. standard of living by cutting our use of energy. Agenda 21 plans to use smart meters, smart grids, and smart growth so that our nation’s use of electricity can be controlled, limited, and redistributed.

    Schools and universities are important to Agenda 21’s goals. The plan is make them indoctrination institutions, where kids are taught “green” propaganda, as well as global education to make them citizens of the world.

    When you get down to the nitty-gritty, what these UN climate conferences are all about is getting the UN to impose taxes that will give the UN an immense flow of money so it doesn’t have to worry about Congress cutting off appropriations. This means imposing UN taxes on currency transfers, fossil energy production including oil, natural gas and coal, the commercial use of oceans, international airplane tickets, and all foreign exchange transactions.

    Taxes of this magnitude would give the UN so much power that it would become a de facto world government. Tell your Members of Congress to pledge that the day the UN adopts this nonsense will be the day we say goodbye to the UN.

    http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2011/nov11/11-11-30.html

  201. If you should happen to attend an Obama campaign rally- Ask him why he is promoting Agenda 21 instead of generating jobs for Americans. Also asking why is he spending millions of our tax dollars on his vacations in the midst of a stagnant economy, when he should be working for us every day until he builds a stronger economy for America.

  202. Suuuure the UN would be for this. Doubtless it would somehow give them more tax money.
    /sarcasm

    “They demand an 85 percent reduction in human population.”

  203. “Equity means replacing our American constitutional system with central planning and “social justice,” which is a code word for redistribution of wealth, abolition of private property rights, and giving favored corporations tax breaks, grants, and use of Eminent Domain.”

    ===

    The American constitutional system is not opposed to central planning and certainly not to social justice or to equity.

    And where the author gets his “code word” meaning for social justice is beyond me. He thinks giving tax breaks to favored corporations is someone’s idea of social justice? Wow, I haven’t seen that anywhere, and I live in a socialist country where social justice has been built up by law over the last 75 years.

    Eminent Domain is “used”? The horror of it! Eminent Domain is a power in every country in the world, and has been and will be used in the US with or without the constitution.

    “Grants” are bad?

    As for the abolition of private property rights, that was an issue disputed between the Soviet Union and the US but was buried 20 years ago. Having said this, the very idea of what constitutes private property and what rights that private property confers upon the owner has evolved considerably over the last 200 years and the author does not seem to be aware of this.

    All in all, the article is written by an ignoramus with an ax to grind.

  204. Another take on Obama’s Kansas speech:
    ____________

    Obama tells banks, businesses to help middle class (while driving businesses to bankruptcy)

    wsj

    12/6/2011 By Greg Robb

    President Barack Obama on Tuesday laid out his economic philosophy, saying that banks, businesses and government must help the middle class get back on its feet.

    “This is the defining issue of our time. This is a make or break moment for the middle class,” Obama said in a speech in Osawatomie, Kansas.

    The town, about 60 miles southwest of Kansas City, was chosen for the speech because President Theodore Roosevelt delivered a famous economic address calling for economic regulation social justice in Osawatomie in 1910, according to the White House.

    ( what Obama doesn’t realize is- Roosevelt wasn’t re-elected to another term.)

    Obama blamed the financial crisis and subsequent recession on a philosophy that left everyone to fend for themselves. “We simply cannot return to this brand of you’re-on-your-own economics if we’re serious about rebuilding the middle class in this country,” he said.

    The president also said there is a “deficit of trust” between Main Street and Wall Street, and that big banks must “go the extra mile” to close it.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-tells-banks-businesses-to-help-middle-class-2011-12-06?link=MW_home_latest_news

  205. jeswezey
    December 7th, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Then Phyllis Schalafly is an ignoramus with an ax to grind.
    _________________

    Phyllis is a republican sycophant. What she stated was in broad terms ending with extreme foregone conclusions.

  206. “Phyllis is a republican sycophant” is practically the definition of an ignoramus.

    “Extreme foregone conclusions” is a good definition of someone with an ax to grind.

    I rest my case.

    I would further point out, though, that the entire article is written in the same vein. Whatever came over you to post that thing here? Were you trying to show Leonora how silly her concerns are?

  207. All-American Muslim: The Perils of Propaganda

    All-American Muslim is on its last legs. Not only was the last episode of the show the lowest rated show in its time slot, losing again to Homeland, but it was also the lowest rated show of the night among the top 100 cable shows aimed at adults. While Homeland has improved its ratings, All-American Muslim has dropped so low that it’s hovering above the abyss.

    Just to bring out the vultures, Discovery Communications is being sued by Visionaire Media which accuses it of stealing its idea for an “American Muslim Show” without compensation. At this point Discovery Communications, which oversees the disaster areas that are TLC, The Discovery Channel​, Animal Planet​ and several other learning channels that have turned into minor variations of each other serving up the same Reality content, might consider letting Visionaire have the credit for All-American Muslim which a month later looks more like blame.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/06/all-american-muslim-the-perils-of-propaganda/

  208. Took long enough:

    Military A Growing Terrorist Target, Lawmakers Warn
    There is growing evidence that homegrown terrorists see military personnel and bases as legitimate, high-value targets, lawmakers said ahead of a joint session of the House and Senate Homeland Security Committees on Wednesday

    snip [Peter] King said there is also evidence that extremists have joined the services.

    Since the Fort Hood massacre in 2009 that left 13 killed and dozens more wounded, the number of alleged plots targeting the military has grown significantly….
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/06/military-growing-terrorist-target-lawmakers-warn/

  209. jeswezey
    December 7th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    “Phyllis is a republican sycophant” is practically the definition of an ignoramus.

    “Extreme foregone conclusions” is a good definition of someone with an ax to grind.

    I rest my case.

    I would further point out, though, that the entire article is written in the same vein. Whatever came over you to post that thing here? Were you trying to show Leonora how silly her concerns are?
    _________________

    Schlafly’s article serves a purpose. Enlightening Americans to the power hungry UN’s notion they can use environmental issues to bleed more money from Tax Payers in the form of an environmental tax. No doubt about it, Schlafly goes overboard in her depiction of the UN’s vision of America but the fact remains even if she is half right, giving up our sovereignty to a centralized global government is an untenable position real Americans will fight in a Civil War if necessary. We did it before with the British and we are prepared to do it again to a Soros driven idea.

    I like and appreciate Leanora’s posts. I hope she continues in the same vein posting good articles she gleans from the internet to keep us informed.

  210. http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/07/warren_flubs_red_sox_question.html

    Not a good start………………when you want to represent the state.

    Warren Flubs Red Sox Question

    Elizabeth Warren (D) and the rest of the Democratic field for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts couldn’t answer a simple question about the Boston Red Sox at a forum yesterday.

    Apparently, they learned nothing from Martha Coakley’s (D) defeat two years ago when she took heat for refusing to campaign outside Fenway Park and called Red Sox great Curt Schilling a Yankee fan.

    Here’s the video clip:

  211. Yes they do want a drastic reduction in human population.

    Don’t any of you know about the Georgia Guide Stones? The plan has been engraved in stone since 1980. It is there for all to see in 8 different languages on 4 giant stones.

    The plan includes:
    (1) Dramatically reducing the population of the world.
    (2) Promoting environmentalism.
    (3) Establishing a world government.
    (4) Promoting a new spirituality.

    There are pictures of the stones here:

    http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

    Why not take a look?

  212. Leanora:

    Apparently one element missing from the stones is that a race of fundamentalist zealots have been delegated the task of ensuring the commandments of the stones be honored.

    from the text of your link:

    “The Age of Reason was a book written by Thomas Paine. Its intent was to destroy the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which our Republic was founded.”

  213. As a MA resident, I can tell you that though it makes the news when a candidate doesn’t know much about sports, past behavior suggests we aren’t stupid enough to use sports knowledge as a qualification for public office. Brown didn’t win because he cheered the Red Sox. He won because we were pissed at the Dims and wanted to teach them a lesson. Coakley lost because she was a Dem at the wrong time and place, because O campaigned for her, because she is a weak political presence, and because (here’s the big one) because she first did not support Obummer’s health care plan (we liked that) and then, she did a 180 and came out for it and him! … Does that sound like stupid voting?
    Elizabeth Warren has a platform we like, she has the guts to take on the big boys (they know it and fear her — see vanity fair article — and they are going to do all they can to tear her down, but the voters don’t expect her to go ape over baseball. We do that nicely on our own. What we can’t do is stand up for the middle class in Wash. – for that, Warren has the best voice, the best platform and is our best hope for representation in the senate. She’s getting around talking to people and doing it very well – she’s winning trust where it matters – economy … not baseball.
    Her numbers are ahead of Brown’s
    vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/11/elizabeth-warren-201111

  214. Mrs. Smith –

    I have no idea who left the message or what group he represented. The fact that he called himself ‘R. C. Christian’ causes me to think he was a Rosicrucian.

    It’s as good a guess as any, I suppose.

  215. Leanora, thank you for the information and different perspectives that you provided on Agenda 21. I hadn’t heard of this before. I can’t help but think of biblical prophecy when I read of this “new world order”, or “one world government”.

    By the way, Phyllis’ last name is Schalfly. She is a CONSTITUTIONAL lawyer, so I suppose she knows something about the US constitution, and government overreach. More and more, I am starting to see the wisdom in conservative, libertarian thought when it pertains to individual rights in this country.

  216. 12/7/41 Fort Bragg NC 7am
    bkfst I was a 23 yr old draftee laying on my F-rt Sack trying to settle my gut after the usual Sunday
    brkfst of SOS (sh-t on a shingle) better known as ground beef and gravy on toast.radio on and then my life changed forever.Japs Hit Pearl.Full Alert ammo issued and 24hrs later on our way somewhwere.The rest is History.
    It is disturbing to see and hear what is happening to our great Democracy in the hands of political hacks and our wasted youths.Hillary our “First Lady of The World” is the only person I trust for guidance and patriotism.The rest are all gravy trainers like our POTUS

  217. Thank you ABM90 for your service to our country that we love. You are a hero. I am almost glad that Daddy is not here to see what has become of our country; it almost seems to me that all the blood shed, the limbs lost, and the families wrecked by war are for nothing. WWII took about 3 years off my Daddy’s short life; it makes me sad.

  218. Leanora: “If you don’t all enjoy Phyllis Schalafly’s point of view or that of the republicans, why not see what the democrats think of the agenda.
    Here is a good site – Democrats Against UN Agenda 21”
    =====

    Thanks for the link, it is better written and they have a good video by this Koire character. However, Republican or Democrat, I take strong exception to Koire’s opening remarks, where she says that her entire spiel is based on the premise that “communitarianism” debases individual rights. So, right from the outset, you can see where she is going: If the community’s needs are served, then the individual is herded into a corner. She assumes that the individual must have primacy or else becomes subservient to the group.

    This is simplistic, false, and isn’t the way things work anywhere in the world. I assume you know what I mean, or we could discuss that first point.

    Then, based on this initial error, she goes on to imply that anything that comes out of an international body, in this case the UN’s Agenda 21 of objectives, recommendations and standards for sustainable development and environmental protection, is a violation of individual rights and subjugation of the individual. In other words, the UN is always wrong and un-American, can never do anything right.

    My reaction to this second step is that, contrary to what Koire is asserting, the UN can do nothing to enforce its recommendations on the US and, if a city state or the federal government does implement some recommendations, they do so on their own responsibility. They are not accountable to some higher community of nations.

  219. nomobama: “Schalfly. She is a CONSTITUTIONAL lawyer”
    =====

    Wow, that’s really impressive when you put it in capital letters. Makes me want to take back all I said about her.

  220. Don’t worry about the discusson or frustration that are displayed on this blog. Don’t worry about the people that come and go. I assure you, if she runs, there will be an army here, and those of us who were here talking to ourselves right after the primary are going to have a hard time posting.

    I just hope Admin remembers the faithful.

  221. Communitarianism can and is viewed by some as a debasing of individual rights. I tend to agree with that thought. I view that philosophy as an unnecessary invasion of my personal freedom/rights by those who like to tell others how their lives should be lived. Although I have not read Hillary’s “It Takes A Village:…”, by its title, I am guessing that it advocated communitarian ideas.

  222. Whoa……………..will Blago spill, as he is bound to know Obama will never pardon him or will he meet an accident like all of Obama’s friends.

    Judge Zagel indicates he is looking at 15.5 to 19.5 years for Blagojevich.

  223. Well, until proven otherwise, I’ll take the position that a constitutional lawyer who has been around the block for many years knows the constitution better than someone who posts on this blog, and that is not meant as an insult directed at you.

  224. Oh hear we go again.

    Democrat says GOP trying to deny blacks the right to vote

    A Democratic lawmaker said Wednesday on the House floor that Republican legislators around the country are purposefully trying to deny blacks the right to vote by pushing for voter identification laws.

    “It’s no coincidence that a disproportionate number of these affected voters come from communities of color as well as the poor, the elderly and students,” said Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), a former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    “Having been born and raised in Texas, this certainly looks like a poll tax to me, which those of us remember as a way to prevent African Americans from voting. These voter ID laws have a partisan agenda: seeking to disenfranchise and deny specific populations of voters before they have the opportunity to elect their representatives in government.”

    She also said the laws are meant to change election outcomes by “turning the clock back to the days of Jim Crow.”

    Lee is the latest Democrat to charge that laws requiring people to show a valid ID to vote are aimed at suppressing the black vote to get better results for Republicans in the 2012 elections. Republicans including Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) have said ID laws are needed because there are several examples of voter fraud, such as the discovery that ACORN was registering non-legal voters.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/197809-rep-lee-says-gop-has-racist-motives-with-voter-id-laws

  225. holdthemaccountable
    December 7th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    ———————
    Is that how it was classified? That just frosts my cajones.

  226. Why am i not surprised,……..ridiculous….

    Zagel now saying Blagojevich’s acceptance of responsibility today will mean he will reduce his sentence.

  227. I guess to some, obtaining a valid id makes it an unfair burden for voting priviliges. Are we to believe that valid id’s are not necessary for a host of other reasons for which they are required? Yet, you can bet your a$$ that if obtaining a valid id was needed to collect government benefits or assistance, the id would be obtained posthaste.

  228. Plus, Barbara Lee, if not an outright communist, is very sympathetic to communism. She had links to the black panthers, too. She is a unrepentent radical.

  229. “I’ll take the position that a constitutional lawyer who has been around the block for many years knows the constitution better than someone who posts on this blog”

    Then you’ll have to explain to me how central planning and social justice are anti-constitutional as she claims, how the “use of Eminent Domain” is anti-constitutional (it is explicitly stipulated in the constitution), how grants are unconstitutional, how giving tax breaks to crony corporations furthers social justice (but I admit it may be unconstitutional), and who exactly wants to abolish private property rights.

    If your constitutional lawyer has been spewing this kind of nonsense “for many years”, and you have been listening, then I can understand better why you easily swallow this kind of libertarian trash.

  230. I ask the question about communists because in the France of the 1970s, 20% of the population voted communist and the PCF was Stalinist, which meant that they had a strict orthodox “party line” adhering to most everything that could be known about the Soviet Union. Part of my work involved getting to know the PCF leadership but I also came to know the rank and file, plus people who were not communists but who voted that way. So, “communist” meant something to me but was also varied depending on how close I came to the heart of the beast.

    Essentially, being communist at that time and place involved quite a few contradictions parallel to those of the Soviet Union. I repeatedly pointed out those contradictions to those of the PCF that I knew, and eventually (though not because of me), these contradictions led the rank and file to desert the party. By 1985, the PCF was reduced to 6% of the vote on the national scale, and today it hardly reaches 2%. Inversely, the Socialist Party rose to majority status in 1981 and has commanded about 35-50% ever since. The projections for next year put Hollande (PS) at 59% and Sarkozy (UMP) at 41%.

    The idea of what a communist is, in the US, has always mystified me. The way you use the word, it sounds like communists are “radical” or perhaps “extremists”, and that communism is a place where everyone knows we shouldn’t go, like hell or something. I suspect that “communism” is just a label for something real real band.

  231. The United States of the UN: Selling Our Sovereignty was authored by Phyllis Schalafly.

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    LOL! Like Jeswezy said…. 😉

  232. “The Age of Reason was a book written by Thomas Paine. Its intent was to destroy the Judeo-Christian beliefs upon which our Republic was founded.”

    ===================

    Well, that should tell us a little something…. 😉

  233. jeswezey
    December 7th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    nomobama: “Schalfly. She is a CONSTITUTIONAL lawyer”
    =====

    Wow, that’s really impressive when you put it in capital letters. Makes me want to take back all I said about her.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    LOL! And remember Obama is CONSTITUTIONAL PROFESSOR. That trumps a cons lawyer any time.

  234. I assure you, if she runs, there will be an army here,

    =================

    WEll, there will be an army looking for a base, but many of them may be wondering where the centrist and liberal Hillary supporters are, if we don’t speak up more. Or any Clinton supporters! People praising Gingrich!?!

  235. Although I have not read Hillary’s “It Takes A Village:…”, by its title, I am guessing that it advocated communitarian ideas.

    =================

    !!!!!!!

  236. Yet, you can bet your a$$ that if obtaining a valid id was needed to collect government benefits or assistance, the id would be obtained posthaste.

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    As was discussed between me and HillaryForTexas, it depends on whether some of the ID’s most of us already have (driver’s license, SS card, etc) would be accpted at the poll — or whether some new “National Identification Card” or other new kind of ID would be required.

    If it’s a NEW separate ID, then yes, some of Hillary’s people would probably not be up to getting it. Because voting is NOT as important as collecting SS etc. Just like many of HIllary’s voters were not up to going to caucuses. That’s elderly people, sick people, poor people who work long hours or lack transportation, people who need childcare….

  237. And where the author gets his “code word” meaning for social justice is beyond me.

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    The same place where Obama got his “code word” meaning for Bill and HIllary’s remarks. The same place where the media got that “inadequate” and “unqualified” was a “code word” for black.

    “Code word” is just a term that can be used to attribute anything to anybody.

  238. Okay, now what’s interesting in this nonsensical document (from Schafly or whoever) is that along with the 1970s rightwing rhetoric, they’re also condemning crony capitalism (or pretending to):

    and giving favored corporations tax breaks, grants, and use of Eminent Domain
    [….]
    Economy means shifting from a private enterprise system to government-private-corporation-partnerships

  239. Okay, I looked at this site:
    democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

    The url says “democrats against un agenda 21” but a video at the site shows Rosa Koire on “Tea Party Television”.

    Ah, someone’s selling a book about this:
    or buy BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: U.N. Agenda 21 by Rosa Koire click here
    Clicking “here” goes to:
    PURCHASE YOUR COPY OF BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: U.N. Agenda 21, the new book by Rosa Koire. 172 pages, $17 + $3 shipping. Available now. Mail a check for the number of books you’d like (include your mailing address) to:
    Post Sustainability Institute
    P.O. Box 15192
    Santa Rosa, CA 95402

    To be fair, many “Redevelopment” projects are boondoggles worth opposing. But it’s a local capitalist boondoggle, not a communist/UN plot. 😉

  240. ABM,

    Thank you for your service to the country. The Obama monstrosity must be especially horrifying to someone like yourself who has risked your life for this country.

    God Bless you.

  241. ABM90

    Thanks for sharing your memories as an enlisted man when all Hell broke lose at Pearl. I bet you have an album of great pictures stored in your closet taken some 70 yrs ago..

    God Bless and stay with us for a very long time-

    Best Regards,

    Mrs. S.

  242. Oh- How I Love seeing these yahoos scramble!
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    CONFIRMED – Obama Election Team “Scrambling” To Deal With Gingrich Campaign

    Ulsterman:

    ”The idea of seeing him go against Barack Obama…that appeals to a lot of people, right? It’s still early – Iowa is soon, but overall, it’s still very early. But Gingrich has the Obama campaign scrambling a bit – that’s for sure.” -INSIDER

    With a new batch of polls now indicated Newt Gingrich is solidifying his GOP front-runner status, President Obama’s re-election insiders apparently in scramble mode in preparing for the possibility of having to face Gingrich instead of Mitt Romney in the 2012 election.

    President Obama’s advisers, long convinced that Romney would be their opponent, now think Obama has a realistic chance of facing Gingrich, and are frantically rewriting a playbook that has been three years in the making. The campaign hadn’t even put together a comprehensive opposition research folder on Gingrich, in part because they expected Romney as the nominee but also because of the assumption that his record was so well-known.

    The advisers, especially David Axelrod — who has led the campaign’s frontal assault on Romney — are finally coming around to the possibility that Gingrich might actually be the GOP nominee.

    …But there’s also a wary recognition that Gingrich may be catching a wave that is both powerful and unpredictable.

    “It would be a nastier, more intense campaign,” said the Democrat close to the White House. “Newt has a history of getting people to rise to his bait. The president would have to stay mellow, steady Eddie.”

    A recently published report from Politico details the following:

    Newt’s Surge is for Real!

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69953.html

  243. Off topic
    But I implore any of you that have cretins(nieces,nephews, grand kids cousins, neighbors) for whom you posses affection to avoid the trappings of usual gift giving. College is expensive now and is only going to get more so. 529 accounts allow you to invest in their future. I am overwhelmed every holiday with stuffed animals, Disney stuff and silly games. kid rarely touches any of it. Magic markers and poster board and she is a pig in zen. Would so prefer 10 dollars in craft stuff than see money thrown away on a 200 dollar Barbie townhouse that sits against the wall never touched except for as a make shift shelving unit. Makes me ill to see so much waste. I’m a hypocrite. As the pup has a netbook and a desktop but i was unable to resist the Kindle Fire.

  244. Funny i was thinking this last night, the timing is very strange.

    Clinton favourite with Public to run a 3rd Party. Is she gearing up her campaign again?

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/12/07/hillary-campaign-conspicuosly-emerges

    Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign is still alive and today it emerged from the shadows to remind supporters that she “made history” in the 2008 campaign and that mementos from that bid are now for sale.

    In an E-mail, the Hillary Clinton for President campaign revived speculation that she is still interested in the Oval Office despite new denials that President Obama is considering replacing Vice President Joe Biden with his secretary of state. [Read Veep Fights: Clinton Vs. Bachmann.]

    The E-mail comes as a new Washington Whispers poll finds that Clinton is the runaway favorite of those seeking a third party candidate. In our poll, 39 percent picked Clinton as their choice to head a third party. Mike Huckabee is next at 20 percent and Donald Trump dead last at 12 percent.

    Some influential Democrats, however, want her to stick with Obama and get the vice presidency, believing that she will be able to bring back liberal, unions and environmental groups that are disappointed with the president.

    While her campaign has in the past dispatched fundraising emails in a bid to finish paying her 2008 campaign debt, the timing of the latest blast raised some eyebrows.[Check out U.S. News Weekly, now available on iPad.]

    In it, the Clinton campaign says her story lives on. “In her speech in Denver, Hillary told us, ‘You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.’ As we all know, campaigns are tough, but having loyal supporters like you helped make Hillary’s campaign one that will never be forgotten.”

    Here is the full fundraising E-mail:

  245. Obama has no idea how he would deal with Gingrich, its going to be hilarious to watch if it happens, Obama is gonna be kept on his toes thats for sure. We may not like him but you would be a fool to dismiss Newt as anything but dangerous and not afraid of a fight.

  246. Globe Magazine: First Lady Secret Affair?

    Bombshell charges are whipping through Washington that Michelle Obama is sneaking out of the White House to romance a secret hunk as the President fights to stay in the White House. You’ll learn why the rumors are flying and who insiders believe the First Lady is meeting up with – only in the current GLOBE.

    ………………………..

    ooh….maybe we had it backwards ands it been Mooch, Reggie’s been doing.

  247. apparently the rumor is a “special agent” has been doing more than protect the first lady?

    I’m not gonna believe this until i see it as frankly, i can’t imagine anyone wanting to take her on.

  248. i do like Christie…..says it like it is.

    “Get out of your chair and start doing the hard work yourself to make America a greater place.” – Christie to Obama, earlier today.

  249. No fan of MEchelle but do not give a rat’s ass who anyone screws or did screw. if i were the most powerful person on the planet Lewinsky would not be my first choice but a stained blue dress would be the last of my worries. Be real. Sex, power, food all linked. Bet she is not the first first lady to get a little something on the side

  250. OWS helps homeless family illegally ‘re-occupy’ Brooklyn home.

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    OWS did that in a lot of foreclosed houses, some illegally-forclsed.

    Good for them!

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