Bitter Barack Obama In Sweet Hillary Clinton Country

We laugh a Hillary Clinton style laugh every time. Our “cackle”, as the haters would have it, is a “cackle” that can lay several dozen Grade A eggs. Every time we read Hillary Clinton supporters are irrelevant, or Hillary Clinton supporters are now happy with treacherous boob Barack Obama, or that we here at Big Pink are “dead ender” Japanese soldiers fighting a war that has long been lost, or that we are irrelevant, or that the Democratic Party civil war of 2007/2008 is over and has been over – we laugh a laugh heard in Heaven above.

It’s a laugh only matched by our groan when we hear the whine of “Why oh why is Hillary saying nice things about Obama? Why oh why is Bill saying nice things about Obama? They’re dead to me for saying nice things about horrible Barack. Dead I tell you! Why oh why don’t they just shut up? Why? Why? Why?” We’ve answered these plaints before and we’re not going to beat this dead horse again. But consider – you don’t bait a trap with vinegar. You use honey, Honey.

A while back we promised a series of articles on Hillary and 2012 for September. We didn’t publish those articles, yet. We haven’t forgotten. We’ll explain some of why we haven’t published those articles, as much as we can, soon enough. For now, munch on this appetizer from the New York Times as you join with us in a good giggle (as you read ask yourself how irrelevant Hillary Clinton supporters are) Obama Is Facing a Replay of ’08 Hurdles in ‘Hillary Country,’ Pa.“:

“I’m heavily Democratic,” Mr. Harrity said. “But if the right Republican came along, I would be open to voting for him.”

This is a common refrain here in what is still called “Hillary Country,” where Mrs. Clinton’s family roots run deep and 75 percent of Democratic primary voters backed her failed bid for the Democratic nomination in 2008.

It is also a sign of why recent polls show Mr. Obama in trouble here in northeast Pennsylvania and across the state. He is visiting here Wednesday, his first trip to Scranton since he became president.

The northeast is a swing, bellwether region in a state that suddenly seems in play. White, working-class voters, here and elsewhere, have been especially hard hit by the economic downturn. They have little loyalty to Mr. Obama and feel he has not lived up to his promise.

Polls show that fewer than half the voters in Pennsylvania view Mr. Obama favorably and that he is losing support among independents and union households. It is too early for such polls to have much meaning, particularly before there is even a Republican nominee. But Mr. Obama’s challenge in Pennsylvania, which has voted Democratic for president in the last five elections, is indicative of what he faces in states across the Rust Belt and could help determine the outcome of the presidential campaign.”

A great many rank and file Hillary voting Democrats voted for Obama in the 2008 general election. This leads many Republican idiots to conclude that chasing these voters is a waste of time. But those Hillary Democrats that put aside their common sense in 2008 and voted against McCain as a reaction against the Bush years and in fear of the financial collapse at the end of 2008 are in many ways listening and waiting for someone who will talk to them about how Obama, the treacherous boob, should and must be rejected in 2012. A lot of these Hillary Clinton Democrats are ready to reject their inherited party affiliation and throw the boob out because Obama made it worse:

“His flagging poll numbers suggest how much has changed from 2008. Mr. Obama won the state over Mr. McCain by 10 percentage points; here in Lackawanna County, where Scranton is the county seat, he beat Mr. McCain by 26 percentage points.

Pennsylvania’s unemployment rate for October was 8.1 percent, lower than the national average of 9 percent. But here, in this old coal mining region, the rate was 9.7 percent; the Scranton area has the highest unemployment in the state. The city is on the verge of losing 300 postal service jobs. The regional food bank served a record number of meals on Thanksgiving and has had a 25 percent increase in demand over the last year.

Local budgets are so squeezed that Mayor Christopher A. Doherty of Scranton, a Democrat and early Clinton supporter, has proposed raising property taxes by 29 percent. The county is proposing a tax increase of 38 percent.

People are afraid,” Mr. Doherty said. “I remember when Ronald Reagan was president, unemployment was high and interest rates were through the roof. But we always thought things were going to get better. Today, we don’t think things will get better.” [snip]

“Four years ago it was about hope,” the mayor said. “Now it’s about his record.

Yup, Obama’s record of making things worse. Obama race-baited Hillary Clinton supporters – both the black and the white, and attacked the White Working Class and small town America:

“Mr. Obama may have got off on the wrong foot with them when he suggested in 2008 that voters in small towns were bitter about the world passing them by and would “cling to guns or religion.” He lost this state’s white, working-class voters, those without a college degree, first to Mrs. Clinton in the primary and then to Mr. McCain.

Treacherous Boob Barack Obama will be in Scranton, Pennsylvania today “at the high school — where Mrs. Clinton opened her primary campaign.” We know that is disgusting and so very obvious it makes us retch. Yet, we hope and expect that everyone at that publicity stunt is polite to the treacherous boob. While many would laugh out loud if bags of tomatoes and arugula were hurled at the treacherous boob we advise honey over vinegar. The vinegar should be kept in reserve for the election day 2012 celebration salad.

Did we mention the treacherous boob is not popular in Pennsylvania?:

“Although Pennsylvania has one million more registered Democrats than Republicans, the Republicans swept the state in the 2010 elections. They now hold the governor’s office, both houses of the legislature and two-thirds of the Congressional seats, and they control 54 of the 67 counties. This gives them an infrastructure they lacked in 2008.

“I’m feeling pretty good about where we sit,” Robert Gleason, chairman of the state Republican Party, said in an interview. [snip]

The Obama team is also planning to deploy Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., who has roots in Scranton. Where Mr. Obama may be restrained, Mr. Biden relishes playing to the bleachers and is likely to assume the traditional vice-presidential role of attack dog.

Any feistiness at all will be welcome here by voters like Brian Evans, 74, a retired bus driver.

“Obama doesn’t have the moxie to tell Congress to go to hell,” said Mr. Evans, originally a Clinton supporter. As for 2012, Mr. Evans said he was looking at Republicans.”

Joe Biden for the save? Joe wasn’t exactly much of a help in the 2010 elections when he and the Obama OAFs did everything they could to win – but lost. As we recall, there was only one Democrat that year who helped to elect an anti-Obama Democrat to Congress from Pennsylvania. That helpful Democrat’s name? His name is Clinton.

As we wrote years ago and confirmed in November 2010, the 2010 elections and redistricting will keep the Republicans in control of the House for at least ten years. And as we mentioned in November 2010, even The Hill newspaper confessed “Hillary Clinton voters deserted the party in droves.

It’s not just Hillary Clinton supporters anymore. According to the polls, Obama is tanking with independents too.

After Scranton’s publicity stunt to tell the clinging lazy bitter Pennsylvania stage props some TOTUS nonsense, Barack Obama will head to Hillary Clinton’s former senate constituents. The goal in New York City is to get more money and presumably to laugh at the bitter clinging people of Pennsylvania and small town America. Donald Trump will not be giving money to the boob but rather poking the selfish treacherous boob:

You tell him Donald! Donald Trump continues to say what needs to be said as Republican wimps keep their mouths shut. We understand that the candidates running for the nomination might have their own “honey not vinegar” strategy. But why are Republican bloggers worried about what would happen if Obama won in 2012?

As we have written, if Obama won he would bow and scrape to the Republican House and Senate if only to get applause from them every time he signs their legislation. What the Obama coalition, which snubs the White Working Class, means is that Obama Dimocrats cannot govern because their coalition is designed only to help Obama not any core principle or party.

For those who having read this article but think we are blowing smoke, that we are irrelevant, that we are fighting a battle lost years ago – please note that we are not the ones who wrote today’s New York Times report. We are not the only ones who continue to note the lasting repercussions of the 2007/2008 election cycle and the Democratic Civil War. We are not the ones who snubbed the White Working Class. We are not the ones who made the economy worse.

We are also not the ones who are going to lose in 2012.


182 thoughts on “Bitter Barack Obama In Sweet Hillary Clinton Country

  1. If you are stupid and love Obama, let him go. Via MSNBC:

    Note that beyond Brown’s caustic comment, Jon Meacham makes perhaps the unkindest comparison of all, analogizing Barack Obama in 2011 to Jimmy Carter in 1979. Ouch!

    JOE SCARBOROUGH: Tina, what has happened to this president, the president from hope and change? What has happened?

    TINA BROWN: Well it’s so interesting. I think that Obama doesn’t like his job, actually. I think that he is genuinely of a professioral disposition in the sense that I think that he’s interested in chewing over the pros and cons, and he doesn’t like, he doesn’t like power and he doesn’t know how to exercise power. And I think knowing how to exercise power is absolutely crucial. He doesn’t understand how to underpin his ideas with the political gritty, granular business of getting it done. And that kind of gap has just widened and widened and widened. And so that every time there is a moment, a window where he can jump in, like something like a Simpson-Bowles as well, he just doesn’t do it. He hangs back at crucial moments when you have to dive through that window.

    SCARBOROUGH: And regardless of your ideology, it is very safe to say, I think most people would agree: LBJ he is not, Bill Clinton, he is not, when it just comes to understanding how to make Washington work.

    MIKE BARNICLE: It appears off of what Tina just said, you just said, it appears that you could make a case that Barack Obama doesn’t like politics.

    BROWN: Right. I absolutely feel that.

    MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Well who would today? I mean, I think it’s great that —

    SCARBOROUGH: Oh come on. If you don’t like medicine, don’t be a doctor. If you don’t like politics, don’t put yourself out there to run the free world, Mika.

    BRZEZINSKI: You know what? Politics today need to be changed.

    SCARBOROUGH: Stop the apologizing!

    BRZEZINSKI: I’m not apologizing.

    SCARBOROUGH: You’re apologizing. [Sarcastically imitates Mika’s voice] Who would like politics today? You know what?

    BRZEZINSKI: Who would?

    SCARBOROUGH: He is running the free world. He better know a lot of people love politics. Bill Clinton loves politics. FDR loved politics. Ronald Reagan loved politics. Great leaders love what they do. So who would love politics?

    BROWN: Isn’t it really also about, well the other word for politics is just doing what it takes to get it done. Like, one of the things that’s interesting about Obama is that he kind of, and I think he does believe in this, that his idea of being a transformative figure who can cross many persuasions and orientations and aisles. And yet when it is actually taken to reaching out and really bringing that in, and trying, I don’t think that it really —

    SCARBOROUGH: He doesn’t do that.

    JON MEACHAM: The analogy to 1979 is something we should explore a little bit more, for all the obvious reasons: a technocratic president who thinks he’s really smart and perhaps above it all. And a slightly unsettled Republican field. Sounds somewhat familiar.

    SCARBOROUGH: It does sound familiar.

    There does seem to be an emerging theme, even in the liberal media, that this is a failed president with a personality and skills unsuited to the task before him. Does that mean the MSM won’t rally around Obama in 2012 and savage the eventual Republican nominee? No. But perhaps we can say that “this was the moment when the rise of the MSM’s oceans of Obama adulation began to slow.” 😉

  2. Guilty (sometimes) as charged.


    And you are right – honey over vinegar. I recognize myself in your banter but I am not insulted, angered, miffed or annoyed.

    Just amused and more aware.

    ‘It’s a laugh only matched by our groan when we hear the whine of “Why oh why is Hillary saying nice things about Obama? Why oh why is Bill saying nice things about Obama?’

    I saw the Tina Brown segment – unbelievable. Tina friggin Brown!!!!!!

  3. Basil99, you are not alone. Even though we understand what Hillary and Bill are up to we hate it too. In a sense we are speaking about ourselves when we make that critique. A bit of self-flagellation. We wish Hillary would say “This supposed man, Obama, is a boob destroying America and the world – he has got to go.”

    We wish Bill would say: “Obama is a real jerk isn’t he? I told you so. Obama is a creep of the lowest sort. Michelle is one creepy character too. Wait till my real book comes out – and it will – revenge is best served cold.” But we know that silver haired, silver tongued ol’ debil won’t go there. Bill rather play cat and mouse and laugh when Axelrod comes to his office to beg and plead.

    We know, “to everything there is a season”.


    Just in time for the holidays – Rochester area school district bans use of “Merry Christmas.”
    Bet they’re not doing the same with “Happy Eid-ul-Fitr.”

    A local school district is banning the phrase “Merry Christmas.” Parents in Batavia are outraged about the policy which also prohibits Christmas and Hanukkah decoration in the classroom.

    A school board member says the policy was adopted in 2001 as part of “The No Child Left Behind Act” in order to receive federal funding. However, parents and teachers say they have never heard of these rules until now.

    The school board is asking principals in the district to enforce the policy. We obtained a copy of a memo titled “Religious Expression in Schools.” It states “It would inappropriate to organize a Christmas party for a classroom or school.” Parties now have to be called “multicultural celebrations.” Religious symbols such as Christmas trees, angels and menorahs can only be used in lesson plans.

    As far as holiday concert is concerned the program has to be “balanced.” Certain songs and expressions are not allowed. The email says “e.g. Merry Christmas should not be included in any spoken or written remarks.”

    “I’m not happy at all,” said Derek Buckingham. He says it’s not fair to his children and other students who celebrate the holiday. “They do enough to take Christianity out of school. Now, they’re taking Christmas too?”

    We spoke to several teachers who are upset about the policy. Parents say the district’s attempt to be politically correct has gone too far. “I’m just appalled that they would do away with Merry Christmas. It’s been Christmas all these years and now to a bunch of people that’s not politically correct,” said Lucy Hudson, a parent of a child in the district. “I think that’s a bunch of baloney.”

    Superintendent Margaret Puzio contacted us and says the memo we received was not meant for the public. It was just “talking points” for faulty meetings. She says if teachers want to put up a Christmas Tree as part of a non-secular display it would be allowed.

  5. White House insider from the Ulsterman report

    In a week or so. The hearing. That – we are reaching the-the moment of truth on Holder. What do we got now…almost 60 members – members of Congress calling for his resignation? And that’s just publicly. There are Democrats voicing the same uh…the same suggestion. I’ll say it to you again – you keep asking me about it, every time we talk so one more time for you…Eric Holder will no longer be Attorney General of the United States. That-that is – you’ll see that happen soon now. Very soon.

    Eric Holder is about the most corrupt and…sinister – he’s the most sinister Attorney General this country has seen. Dangerous.


    Where it got interesting though from an in-house standpoint, is the couple gentlemen who went to the leadership with a plan – a bi-partisan plan, to work it all out. And each of them had support from their own parties – maybe 60-70 or so other members who indicated their support. There were some folks in Congress who actually wanted to get something done on this. And that’s been the case all along. How many bills have been stalled in the Senate since 2010? Hundreds. The Republicans and some Democrats are sending things over from the House and Reid is trashing them. And the guy who has plans to replace Reid as the Democratic Party leader in the Senate – John Kerry. The Kerry office in fact is responsible for more of the anti-bipartisan tone than Reid. So Kerry was the guy making certain the super-committee fell on its ass. He is among the Dems who are still very loyal to the Obama White House. There isn’t so many of them these days, but they hold the positions of power, so their influence remains strong.

  6. “TINA BROWN: Well it’s so interesting. I think that Obama doesn’t like his job, actually. I think that he is genuinely of a professioral disposition in the sense that I think that he’s interested in chewing over the pros and cons,”
    What a load of horse shit…It’s another “Obama is doing a lousy job but I’m not a racist because I think that he is of a “Professioral”(sp) disposition.

    Obama, the “Professor, Academic, Intellectual, etc.” who was a Con law lecturer where no one can be found who remembers his lectures, an Academic who has never done research or written anything of worth, and intellectual without intellect.

    “in the sense that I think that he’s interested in chewing over the pros and cons,” of the his lousy golf game and the NCAA basketball rankings.

  7. Comparing Obama to Carter is giving Obama an undeserved compliment. Carter was a successful Governor who had done a good job in Georgia.

  8. “We are also not the ones who are going to lose in 2012.”

    YAY, admin-

    Sing it LOUD, Sing it CLEAR, Sing it Proud, the END is NEAR! Buh-bye, Obama!

  9. lil ole grape
    November 30th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Mrs Smith – the oil was not needed to heat Japanese homes ( the Japanese gov insisted that every citizen was at war and must sacrifice ) – it was needed for the tanks, ship, submarines, etc being employed by Japanese military trying their damnedest to conquer all of East Asia.

    Thanks for the clarification- it makes sense.

    This quote was taken from the link below. I am curious as to your opinion on this statement.

    In your view, is it true or not?

    “But FDR did not want to cut off oil. As he told his Cabinet on July 18, an embargo meant war, for that would force oil-starved Japan to seize the oil fields of the Dutch East Indies. But a State Department lawyer named Dean Acheson drew up the sanctions in such a way as to block any Japanese purchases of U.S. oil. By the time FDR found out, in September, he could not back down.”


    Here’s a telling sign of how much President Obama’s fortunes have changed since 2008 — a leading Democratic Congressional recruit is now attacking a Republican congressman for supporting the president.

    Former Ohio Democratic congressman Charlie Wilson, who was attacked relentlessly for being too close with President Obama in last year’s losing campaign, kicked off his comeback bid today by accusing his Republican rival of the same sin.

    Wilson, who represented a rural, blue-collar district along the Ohio River, is seeking a rematch against freshman Rep. Bill Johnson, R-Ohio. In his successful 2010 campaign, Johnson effectively characterized Wilson as a lackey of national Democrats, blasting him for casting a critical vote for Obama’s health care law and the stimulus.

    So it’s striking that Wilson is now trying to use that same tactic against Johnson, criticizing the congressman for supporting free trade agreements backed by President Obama.

    “I am disappointed that Congressman Johnson supported President Obama’s free trade agenda this year. These agreements will ship even more of our jobs overseas,” Wilson told WTRF-TV.

    Keep in mind that Johnson’s district isn’t overwhelmingly Republican, but it’s the type of rural, blue-collar district where Obama has badly struggled lately. Obama came within two points of defeating John McCain here in 2008, and Kerry performed similarly against George W. Bush in 2004.
    In conservative-leaning districts like Johnson’s, Democrats will have to increasingly distance themselves from the president if they want a chance to win. We’ve started to see that with Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., retiring Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif, and a handful of other Democratic elected officeholders. But expect that trickle to become a stream if the president’s approval ratings don’t tick upwards.

  11. Newt doing what he does best! Giving it to the media with both barrels!

    Gingrich Rips WaPo: Media ‘Would Rather Worry About Rumors About Conservatives Than Facts About President’

    By Noel Sheppard | November 30, 2011

    On Monday, NewsBusters broke a story about Washington Post blogger Aaron Blake using Twitter to dig up dirt on Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich.

    On Tuesday, the former House Speaker spoke to St. Louis radio host and Big Journalism editor Dana Loesch about this saying, “It’s a little sad to see a paper the quality of the Washington Post stoop to…the National Enquirer approach to life” adding they “would rather worry about rumors about conservatives than facts about the President”

    LOESCH: And I wish that they would crowd-source the White House visitor logs the way that they’re going after individuals like you or Sarah Palin.

    GINGRICH: I wish they would crowd-source to discover what he did at Columbia University, and I wish they would crowd-source to figure out what he did with Saul Alinsky’s ideas on the South Side of Chicago.

    LOESCH: Exactly.

    GINGRICH: Nobody’s ever explored exactly, the community organizer did not mean boys and girls clubs. It meant Saul Alinsky radicalism.

    LOESCH: Yeah, it absolutely did.

    GINGRICH: But the news media’s never quite found itself as excited about the facts about Barack Obama. Would rather worry about rumors about conservatives than facts about the President.
    Story Continues Below Ad ↓

    It really is absurd how little Americans know about our President’s life after he left Hawaii, in particular what he did in Chicago before running for the highest office in the land.

    Instead of doing any such investigative journalism, our so-called press digs into every rumor and unsubstantiated allegation against his political rivals.

    Will they only be interested in the truth once Obama leaves office, or will his past continue to be verboten as they try to build up his legacy much as they are currently doing with former President Jimmy Carter?

    Read more:

  12. democrat1

    “And the guy who has plans to replace Reid as the Democratic Party leader in the Senate – John Kerry. The Kerry office in fact is responsible for more of the anti-bipartisan tone than Reid. So Kerry was the guy making certain the super-committee fell on its ass. He is among the Dems who are still very loyal to the Obama White House. There isn’t so many of them these days, but they hold the positions of power, so their influence remains strong.”

    Kerry is in line for Reid’s job? How disappointing!

  13. My only consolation is this- Kerry thought he was a shoe in for Secretary of State. ( as Obama had promised him )

    I had a good laugh after I read Kerry had invited Tony Blair to the Vineyard over the summer… to discuss!

    Then came Hillary- Ooops! 🙂

  14. “GINGRICH: I wish they would crowd-source to discover what he did at Columbia University, and I wish they would crowd-source to figure out what he did with Saul Alinsky’s ideas on the South Side of Chicago.
    I don’t need the WaPoo to answer what Barry did as a “community organizer”, that’s an easy one. He did no organizing, no work and schmoozed to get people to help him “move up”. That is basically what the person said who hired him for the job and is consistent with what few facts are know about Barry’s “moving on up”. “No work and Schmoozing”, perhaps the title of Obama’s future biography.

  15. Here it is.. Obama will use the OWSers as a pawn for his campaign..

    “I think it’s going to be Obama’s 99 percent versus the 1 percent,” McQuaid said, “and Romney sort of represents the 1 percent.”

    The Obama’s media vultures are using every known tactic to hamstring Gingrich’s surge-

    You can read about it here:

    Gingrich campaign, business interests tied together

    the 99% quote in this link:

  16. Mrs Smith
    seems many many are unhappy with bambi to do in Manhattan. He’s latest excursion/fundraiser is costing local merchants tens of thousands of dollars on their busiest day of the year. Places will be shut down because of teh one. I worked in the hospitality business in New York and the staff thrives on these money days. Thanks to waffles quite a few waitresses are going to come up short for Christmas. Easily a three hundred dollar day for many. Best day of the year and will not be open or accessible because dick munch needed attention
    Sorry kids i know i promised you an mp3 player for Christmas but our pResident comes first.

  17. How come we never read any of this about Barney Frank until he retires? This from Dana Milbank of the Washington Post:

    The media tributes to Frank have been generally glowing, praising his “authenticity and intelligence” and “his ability to cut the opposition in half without breaking an intellectual sweat.”

    No question, Frank is one of the smartest on Capitol Hill and probably the most colorful. But he is also one of the most notorious bullies, known for berating staff, alienating allies and causing aides to cower in fear of his gratuitous and frequent browbeatings.

    The stories are legendary: making a young network employee cry when he scolded her for trying to un-rumple him before a TV appearance; demanding that an aide “answer the [expletive] question” before giving him a chance to respond; asking a woman escorting him to a Chicago meeting, “Why do you care what kind of flight I had?

    The invective poured forth with great fluency. He asked critics: “On what planet do you spend most of your time?” When the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim asked a question Frank didn’t like, he replied, “What is this, some kind of idiotic contest?”

    Berating reporters rarely hurts a politician, and few could begrudge Frank an elegantly worded swipe at the opposition. But the gratuitous nastiness, to allies and especially to his own staff, have kept him from achieving far more in his three-decade career on the Hill. People who worked with Frank tell me that the former chairman of the House Financial Services Committee is “smart but not thoughtful.” He loved to fight and was a master of political combat, but he had little to show for it. He advanced gay rights, but trends have been moving in that direction anyway. He enacted the Dodd-Frank financial overhaul, but the fiddling-around-the-edges legislation has pleased few on the left while antagonizing business. [snip]

    But in the end, Frank’s legacy is more that of an entertainer’s than a legislator’s.

    The Republican strategist Karl Rove, writing on, welcomed the retirement of the “petulant, abrasive and downright nasty” Frank. Rove, who knows something about nastiness, wrote: “Brilliant, but acid tongued and generally unpleasant, Mr. Frank ruled with an iron gavel, ran over critics with delight and treated committee members and especially Republican colleagues as lesser forms of life.”

    The Republicans often deserved what they got from Barney. And, unlike Rove, I will miss Frank’s tart tongue. But he would have been a more successful lawmaker if he had learned that it’s sometimes better to hold it.

  18. To quote Jethro Obama;

    Jethro and Michelle are driving in the truck to Jed’s place:

    Michelle: Jethro, did you take care of those old brakes like I told you to?

    Jethro: Yes, Mam, I pulled them off the truck yesterday. The new brakes should be coming in the mail next week.

  19. admin
    I think the best is yet to come with regards to Frank. i think the man is slime and believe there is going to be a lot coming down the pipe. Or maybe his deciding not to run is nothing more than a stop gap, next up John Kerry

  20. Bravo, admin!

    “But consider – you don’t bait a trap with vinegar. You use honey, Honey.”

    Yep and they are pouring it thicker and thicker…

  21. More on AG Holder- Should we bow or curtsey?

    Eric Holder Demands We Stop Reporting On Him

    by John Hayward

    Calls for Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation from Congress have swelled to 52, (60) along with “three presidential candidates and two sitting Governors,” as reported by the Daily Caller. Holder really wants them to stop reporting this stuff.

    As Vice President Joe Biden recently explained to HUMAN EVENTS, only liberal media outlets are allowed to ask questions of Democrat Party royalty, at carefully orchestrated events. Holder spoke briefly with the Daily Caller and expanded this doctrine to include the reporting of embarrassing, but objectively accurate, facts:

    As Holder’s aide was escorting the attorney general offstage following his remarks Tuesday afternoon at the White House, a Daily Caller reporter introduced himself and shook Holder’s hand. The reporter asked him for a response to the growing chorus of federal legislators demanding his resignation.

    Holder stepped towards the exit, then turned around, stepped back toward the reporter, and sternly said, “You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”

    Holder then walked offstage without answering TheDC’s request for comment about calls for his resignation.

    Ignoring facts to make them go away is standard procedure for the Obama Administration, although there is very little evidence of it working thus far. Also, telling the media not to cover a story doesn’t work, when the media in question is not comfortably nestled in your hip pocket, as Herman Cain’s lawyer recently learned.

    On the bright side, it’s encouraging to note that Holder has apparently gotten around to reading about Operation Fast and Furious, something his perjury defense rests upon his never having done before.

    Here’s something else Eric Holder would love to suppress: it turns out that Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, who was unquestionably and intimately familiar with the ATF gun walking operation, showed up in White House visitor logs as taking four meetings with President Obama… during the two weeks leading up to “the height of Operation Fast and Furious,” as the L.A. Times puts it.

    Doug Ross at DirectorBlue puts this into a very concise timeline. Warning: Eric Holder will be very upset if you click on those links. You’re not supposed to read such things.

  22. One has to wonder how many legacies have been destroyed by the donna brazille abomination. kennedy’s are viewed differently because of ted and pariah shriver. casey i hope is added to the list. pelosi has become a joke. biden’s viewed by most as an ass. All sad and in someway jokes. Arlen specter. reid is a disgrace. They all hitched their wagons on hype. Some did some good in their careers but will be perpetually associated with BO. They will stink forever.
    Makes me very curious about the few who did not believe the hype. Ed Rendall and Nutter from PA were very vocal in support of HRC and never backed down. Democrats have no one on the horizon not a single star. Immigration is a very big thing and the national dim agenda has suffocated its even most union ardent supporters with its failure to enforce the most basic rules of law.
    I hate to be petty but really really wish I could just laugh in Donna brazille’s face.

  23. henry
    November 30th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Mrs Smith
    seems many many are unhappy with bambi to do in Manhattan.

    I hope NYers jammed the streets every way they could for his entourage… a 23 car security detail is a bit much..

  24. Most of the compliments to bambi are hogwash (my apologies to all the dirty hogs out there), but I believe this will be the nightmare media spin that is going to haunt obama and his wife for years to come. He must hate hearing about how he can’t win without her…lol…

    Obama’s Hillary card

    By Brent Budowsky – 11/30/11

    President Obama has the extraordinary option of rekindling the historic spirit of his presidency and riding the sweeping tides of history for the advancement of women by naming Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate in 2012.

    Most likely, the final results of the 2012 election will be a close outcome for the presidency, control of the House and Senate and a Supreme Court that will almost certainly experience an earthshaking and generational swing decided by vacancies filled by the president elected in 2012.

    This is not a moment for the president to balance niceties and nuances. It is a moment for the president to play to win. The best way to win is to run with the most popular political leader on the American stage, Secretary Clinton.

    Shakespeare wrote that there is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. There is a sweeping tide of history which is the yearning for equality and the spirit of achievement by women in America and throughout the world. I have previously written that we have begun the Female Century.

    Hillary Clinton as vice presidential nominee would electrify the Democratic vote from women and turn the gender gap into a gender canyon. Equally important, Hillary Clinton has great appeal to working-class voters of all races. She has great appeal, along with the president, to the second great demographic wave that is reshaping American politics: the surging Hispanic population.

    Watch Texas, which will expand its presence in Congress after the census, in large measure due to dramatic growth among Hispanics. After successfully (and shamefully) gerrymandering Texas following the 2000 census, Republicans tried again to disenfranchise Hispanics with another gerrymander after the 2010 census. The GOP plan backfired.

    When the dust settles in Texas, Democrats should gain between three and five new House seats from Texas alone. This materially increases the chances that Democrats regain control of the House.

    Watch the underdog but potentially powerful Texas Senate campaign of retired Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who is running for the seat being vacated by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R). Sanchez and other Texas Democrats will increase Hispanic voter registration, organization and turnout. The general will add strong support from veterans and highly patriotic Texans.

    In politics, demographics are destiny. Democrats are on the right side of history and demographics with the advancement of women and the surge of Hispanic voters.

    Watch Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts. I have long argued that Warren will be one of the most powerful Democratic Senate candidates. She taps into the Female Century. She also taps into another sweeping trend: the backlash from countless workers, consumers, veterans and military families of the 99 percent who are fed up with being financially ripped off.

    Watch North Dakota. Recently, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) mentioned to me that Democrats have a strong chance of taking North Dakota’s lone House seat. I checked. Reid is right. Former North Dakota Attorney General Heidi Heitkamp, another brilliant woman who is rising, has a good chance to win.

    A brief word about Vice President Biden. He has earned another term. He is doing a spectacular job. He would make a great president, White House chief of staff or secretary of State. As JFK said: Life is unfair. As Don Corleone said: Nothing personal. This is business.

    Obama can once again ride waves of history. The rise of women. The surge of Hispanics. The backlash of the 99 percent.

    If Obama puts Clinton on the ticket, enthusiasm surges. Voters register. Organization mobilizes. Turnout soars. The base rallies. Main Street will be reassured.

    Obama should swing for the seats of a Democratic president, Democratic Senate, Democratic House and more enlightened Supreme Court. Hillary Clinton can make the difference. This is business. Democrats must play to win.

    Budowsky was an aide to former Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-Texas) and Rep. Bill Alexander (D-Ark.), then chief deputy majority whip of the House. He holds an LL.M. in international financial law from the London School of Economics.

  25. henry:

    “I hate to be petty but really really wish I could just laugh in Donna brazille’s face.”

    I could settle for a Banana Creme Pie-

  26. and finally, in the cry me a river Holder category…

    White House won’t say if attorney general should resign for ‘lack of oversight,’ as Obama advocated in 2007

    By Matthew Boyle – The Daily Caller – 11/29/2011

    Spokespeople for President Barack Obama have refused to answer a series of questions from The Daily Caller about whether the president thinks criticisms he made about former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales also apply to Attorney General Eric Holder.

    In 2007 Obama called for Gonzales’ resignation during an appearance on CNN’s Larry King Live and said he believed it’s the Attorney General’s responsibility to constrain the power of the president.

    In addition to politically-motivated firings of U.S. Attorneys, Obama said Gonzales needed to resign because of a “lack of oversight” during one particular law enforcement program.

    “You’ve got a situation in terms of the FBI where the procedures used for issuing national security letters seemed to have been completely sloppy and based on erroneous fact — there doesn’t seem to be any oversight there,” Obama said.

    During that FBI scandal, it was alleged that investigators had misused “national security letters.” National security letters are administration documents that allow certain government officials to obtain information without probable cause or judicial oversight.

    White House senior communications staffer Eric Schultz refused comment when TheDC asked if Obama thought calls for Holder’s resignation over Operation Fast and Furious are warranted, given Obama’s call for Gonzales’ resignation over a “lack of oversight.” (RELATED: Holder lashes out at Daily Caller while refusing to address growing calls for his resignation [AUDIO])

    Obama also criticized Gonzales’ loyalty to President George W. Bush. “What you get a sense of is an Attorney General who saw himself as an enabler of the administration as opposed to somebody who was actually trying to look out for the American people’s interests,” Obama said of Gonzales.

    When The DC asked if Obama thinks Holder’s continued refusal to comply with a subpoena issued by House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa makes Holder an “enabler,” Schultz also wouldn’t comment.

    Holder has withheld 11 of 12 subpoenaed witnesses and won’t provide subpoenaed documents and communications relating to the drafting a February 4, 2011 Justice Department letter to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley. That letter contained statements Holder and his Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, the head of the DOJ’s criminal division, have admitted were false and inaccurate.

    During his call for Gonzales to resign, Obama added that Gonzales “seemed to be a capable attorney” but wasn’t acting as the “people’s attorney.”

    When The DC asked if Holder’s actions during the Fast and Furious congressional investigation, and the “lack of oversight” of a program that claimed the lives of at least 300 people in Mexico and Border Patrol agent Brian Terry counted as acting as the “people’s attorney” in Obama’s mind, Schultz refused to comment as well.

    There are currently 52 congressmen, three presidential candidates and two sitting governors demanding Holder’s immediate resignation — and, on Tuesday, Georgia Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson became the first U.S. senator to call for Holder’s immediate resignation.

    Obama isn’t defending Holder, nor are congressional Democrats. In a Tuesday afternoon outburst at the White House, Holder accused TheDC of being “behind” calls for his resignation. “Stop this,” he said.

  27. Mrs Smith
    The little guy/girl was the most injured. I worked across from the Dakota on W 72nd street and I budged for Christmas based on what i was going to make on Balloon night. Night before Thanksgiving when people take their kids to watch the balloons blown up. I could make easily a thousand dollars in one night. I counted on it and needed it. Budgeted for it. Lots of people around 30 rock were in my shoes and bambi crushed it.

    Another thing why why why why does bambi visit Pittsburgh so much? I do not drive and am bus reliant. Nightmare every time he comes on some days I have had to spend an extra hour on the bus stalled in traffic. Acts like a King. To bad limp dick not how you are seen by people on their way to work for minimum wage on a frigging bus. I have complained to Port Authority that my bus was an hour late and they responded well its the president and we informed passengers a day in advance. Really a 7.25 an hour dishwasher needs to leave his home an hour and 45 minutes earlier so the king can visit
    No consideration. Zip nada zilch. How anyone can say he is a champion for the working poor is a fucking joke. you show up an hour and a half late for a drudge job you will not be paid and might even have to deal with silly corporate write ups. Rat prick bastard helps himself at any and all costs to others. here I am stop the world no one else matters. Kind of like me WHEN I WAS TWO.

  28. Mrs. Smith
    November 30th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
    This quote was taken from the link below. I am curious as to your opinion on this statement.
    In your view, is it true or not?
    “But FDR did not want to cut off oil. As he told his Cabinet on July 18, an embargo meant war, for that would force oil-starved Japan to seize the oil fields of the Dutch East Indies. But a State Department lawyer named Dean Acheson drew up the sanctions in such a way as to block any Japanese purchases of U.S. oil. By the time FDR found out, in September, he could not back down.”
    Mrs. Smith – this is a late response because I can’t take much time from my work day to write comments – wish I could. And in the evening I’m usually too tired, but I try to keep up with everything written here. First, let me say I am not a historian – I just like to read a lot of history and the WWII period fascinates me because I was a child living in that time. I learned to read well before I was sent to school and by “the date that will live in infamy” I was 8 years old and reading the newspapers daily. My father built a wonderful radio and we used to listen to Hitler’s speeches. My father understood German and he would translate for my mother … and me. I personally thought that screaming man on the radio was a crazy freak but it was obvious my parents found him frightening. I remember very well exactly what we all were doing when we heard about the attack on Pearl Harbor … gee, this is all so way off topic but maybe no-one will mind since it’s late at night.
    Regarding that oil embargo : The Japanese invaded Indochina in the summer of ’41. FDR promptly froze Japanese assets which made it difficult for the Japanese to buy oil, steel etc from the US. but the freezing of assets was not meant to be rigidly enforced immediately. Factors like this were to be played in the prewar games with Japan — more appropriately named negotiations, I guess, because you see, the Japanese government was split with one side wanting to go along with the US and the other side wanting war with us and the Brits, too. Anyway, Acheson (who did not like Roosevelt – FDR had fired him from some job I forget what it was and then hired him into a different position later because he never disrespected Acheson’s ability) was more than a little hawkish: he took the idea too far and was instrumental in having export licenses canceled, revoked, whatever, without telling FDR. This was just before FDR had to leave for a North Atlantic meeting with Churchill (The Atlantic Charter). Again regarding the oil steel etc, there was the very important lend-lease thing – Britain desperately needed all the oil we could help them get — etc. Anyway, yes, by the time FDR found out what Acheson had done it was rather too late to undo the thing and relations with Japan were getting pretty tense. This was not “THE cause” of the war with Japan, though. There were many “causes” – it had been building for years and there was no way to avoid it. We’d have been better prepared for it if it had not been for the isolationists in Congress. (I think they were Republicans but I don’t have time to look that up.) Anyway, that’s as well as I understand it.

  29. Well, I don’t think the fraud would have won if Hillary had not campaigned so hard for him. She made many of her followers believe they were doing the right thing.

    And look at us now.

  30. From a Cato Institute writer:

    In recent years there has been a redistribution of power in the US from government to private. The US now resembles an oligarchy of private interests. The most powerful ones are Wall Street, AIPAC, the military/security complex, the oil industry, agri-business, insurance and pharmaceuticals. These private interests control economic and foreign policy, write the legislation that Congress passes and the President signs, and have achieved the monopolization of the US economy by large-scale commercial organizations. As far as I can tell, traditional conservatives scarcely exist in the US today. They have been eliminated by the neoconservatives, essentially militarists committed to US world hegemony.
    American elections are meaningless as the vast majority of those elected are dependent, or become dependent, on the campaign contributions from the private oligarchic interests. Today government bureaucracies (Child Protective Services and police, for example) have unaccountable power over private individuals, but the power of government over organized private interests has been beaten back. Today the private interests rule the state.

    Daily Bell: Can you give us some other examples?

    Paul Craig Roberts: The examples are endless. President Obama broke his campaign promises and renewed America’s aggression against Afghanistan, because that was what the military/security complex demanded. The health care “reform” was written by the private insurance companies and was designed to provide the insurance companies with 30 million involuntary new customers. Environmental restraints on deep-water drilling were removed at the instruction of the oil industry, resulting, for example, in the extraordinary environmental destruction in the Gulf of Mexico. Wherever one looks, the external costs that private companies are able to impose on others are rising.

  31. Paybacks a bitch…..

    Richardson Feels New Heat ( NM )

    A federal grand jury is investigating former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson over possible campaign-finance violations stemming from his 2008 presidential run, including allegations that he arranged for supporters to pay off a woman who planned to say they had engaged in an extramarital affair…

    Several of Mr. Richardson’s close associates have been granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for their testimony before the panel in Albuquerque, the people said. The panel is one of several grand juries in recent years to examine aspects of Mr. Richardson’s administration and campaigns.


    I’d say go suck it but it looks like he’s paid for that already.

  32. I’m not a fan of Newt after his treatment of the Clintons but i will give him his dues, if he gets the nomination, he will tear Obama down like no one before, Newt can handle the media in a way McCain never could. He’d rip Obama a new A-hole and its worth seeing him get the nomination just to watch him do it.

  33. In fact, watching Newt debate Obama may be worth the admission price alone, it would be like chucking an Obama fly on the window of an SUV at 100 miles an hour.

  34. We had a long discussion about this with friends and i think the reason that Newt may now wind up taking the nomination is that his scandals are so old and out there that there is really nothing they can fling at him, he’s the king of deflection, his skeletons are actually that, people go meh now. The public are this year looking for a fighter, one who can fight for them and as Obama refuses to step up to the plate, if they see someone like Gingrich come out swinging for the people, it could finish off Obama. Obama would crap himself in a debate with him.

  35. If Lady Gaga and Sugarland can pull off a kick ass duet why can’t two candidates emerge from the swamps of each party and represent the actual people. Far right and far left are sewers of hate and stupidity.

    Love her or hate here she can pen a catchy tune and has a set of pipes. When the right role comes along she is going to create not just a splash but a tsunami with her untapped talent

  36. I hate it when Obama comes to Pennsylvania, and the feeling intensifies when he hits Scranton. admin, it’s agreed that this is sweet country.
    Looking around news sites this morning in the aftermath of his excessiveness’s presence, I see that he visited a Scranton neighborhood ahead of his rally, stirred up the easily-impressed hanging around, talked some with a teacher who had been pre-arranged to introduce him at his rally. She was given a ride in one of his motorcade cars, and all the neighborhood snapped pix of their departure. PHOTO OP.

    I too was in Scranton – I accepted an RSVP to Americans For Prosperity. I’ll give the local news article describing it in a minute, but want to say what an uplifting meeting it was. 10 people were expected and approx. 40 showed up. Tea Party groups attending were from Berks County dot org, TP from Philly – I did not get its name. TP from Stroudsburg called Founders, NEPA TP of Luzerne COunty. And The Scranton Tea Party. Their members were motivated and educated, well dressed too. Ahead of the meeting they expressed distress that the Senate had just passed SB1867 and discussed what was next. Much networking transpired regarding state and federal candidates, exchanging emails, and common human respect activities. Two local TV cameramen took some video. After this meeting ended, about half the attendees were headed for the High School. A conservative mother and her two nearly teenaged children going inside to listen to the President. Her son wore a GWB “Do you miss me yet” tee shirt. Many others from the AFP meeting were headed there to remain outside in protest.
    The general consensus of these groups is that they need fewer protest rallies and more educational efforts. Perhaps that is why teevee nooze feels the TP is dying (less visibility from their vantage). OK. Here’s that article covering the AFP program:

    Americans for Prosperity: President’s policy not creating jobs
    Barbara Yanchek of Jermyn said she sees small businesses disappearing because of too much government regulation. Describing herself as an activist, Ms. Yanchek on Wednesday joined others with similar concerns at an event held by Americans for Prosperity – Pennsylvania, a coalition of trade associations, taxpayer groups and citizens. The coalition started the event around 1 p.m. at the Radisson at Lackawanna Station hotel as about 500 people lined up about a mile away at Scranton High School waiting for President Barack Obama to arrive to talk about extending payroll tax cuts and other plans to produce jobs in the worst economic slump since the Great Depression. “The government is hindering people instead of helping,” Ms. Yanchek said. “We’re going the wrong way.” She said small businesses cannot compete against big companies, which are being helped by the government. Those who spoke at the event at the Radisson also criticized the president’s policies, while saying that too much regulation and tax increases are hurting small businesses.

    Noting the president’s “American Jobs Act” was voted down in the Senate, Jennifer Stefano, AFP-PA Director of Labor and Energy Policy, described the president’s appearance as part of his campaign to be re-elected.”So, what the president is doing is using this dead bill to spend your money to fly Air Force One and come here on your dime for his campaign,” Ms. Stefano said. “You’re funding his re-election campaign whether or not you agree with him.”

    Ms. Stefano also encouraged those in attendance “to be informed” and to take notes to use when they talk to people and the media, including at Mr. Obama’s appearance. The reality, she said, is that “the administration’s policy is breaking the backs of the business community.” Other event speakers echoed Ms. Stefano’s statements, including Darlene Robbins, Northeast Pennsylvania Manufacturers and Employers Association. “The government can promote policies to improve the business climate and provide the private sector with the tools it needs to create jobs,” Ms. Robbins said. “A jobs plan needs to reflect this reality. … A jobs plan should make the United States more competitive so businesses can be the engines of our economy and put people back to work.”

    While Ms. Robbins said the president’s plan has a “few positive elements,” she said it contains “stifling tax increases.” She recommended the president pursue the National Association of Manufacturers’ goals, which includes policies such as modernizing the U.S. export control system and creating a national tax climate that “enhances” the global competitiveness of the country’s manufacturers.” Laureen Cummings, a small business owner and member of the Scranton Tea Party, noted people are struggling and unable to afford tax increases, including Lackawanna County’s 38 percent 2012 increase. She also encouraged people in attendance to rally, adding “It’s time for action now.”
    I’ve one more statement to toss in: Ms. Cummings, whose business is in health care providing private duty personnel, recently advertised for more help. 2 of the 4 responding did not have access to vehicles to transport them to their potential work sites. And that reminded the audience on of the unintended consequences of Cash For Clunkers…..

  37. admin, thanks for the phrase “Use honey, Honey.” In 3 words, you expressed all I have been trying to say to those, here and elsewhere, who are dismayed by the Clinstons’ so-called support of Obama. I would add that the Clintons have never been attack dogs. Always positive and forward-looking. It’s not in their blood to go public with any diatribes, especially anything ad hominem.

  38. Now Gingrinch overtakes Obama….

    Rasmussen: Gingrich 45% Obama 43%

    Gingrich currently attracts 79% of the Republican vote in a match-up against Obama. The former House Speaker also leads by 18 points among unaffiliated voters. The president is supported by 90% of Democrats. (now that surprised me about the indies)

  39. holdthemaccountable
    December 1st, 2011 at 6:27 am
    “…She was given a ride in one of his motorcade cars, and all the neighborhood snapped pix of their departure. PHOTO OP.”

    Oh my gosh, does that remind you of the story from one of people who commenter here about how she got a ride in Hillary’s motorcade?

  40. lil ole grape
    December 1st, 2011 at 12:31 am

    Thanks so much for taking time out of your day and posting your thoughts on the still remaining questions asked about to this day concerning WWII.. You ‘are’ a historian relaying your thoughts from real time events happening from your own memories and I feel honored you would share them here with us on pink-

    I can remember going into my Dad’s hideaway (his workshop in the garage) and playing with this fascinating little gadget he had sitting in one of the cubby holes of his desk. It was a Morse Code sender machine. It was never common knowledge to me Dad had been a special envoy to FDR until I read it in his obituary after he died. I have no memories of the War ever being discussed at home between my parents… The events you mentioned in your response are complete revelations to me which I find fascinating and could listen to all day long.

    I’ve watched the Churchill documentary, The Gathering Storm (Churchill played by Brendon Gleason giving a stellar performance even to his eerie Churchillian resemblance) on PBS tv and marvel at the icons in charge who’s love of country and humanity were the driving factors for ensuring the world was safe from oppression and manic dictatorships.

    No worries on expecting an immediate response- Take your time.. whenever you have a moment you are not busy or too tired to begin writing.. I understand completely..

  41. jeswezey
    December 1st, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Well said, jeswezey, and why I don’t have a problem defending their words and actions when hearing negative comments alluding to blind allegiance or generalizations bringing about vaunted hysteria regarding their statements. They are the most honest brokers we have on the political landscape to date looking out for our best interests. Their history and past performance attests to their sincerity recorded in stone for the world to see.

    I wonder sometimes if the nay sayers could navigate the world of politics themselves especially now where the corruption is so rampant and palpable you can cut it with a knife. Obama has bought everyone needed for his continuance who will either take the bribe, be intimidated by release of a scandal file or surviving threats to life and limb if they refuse to co-operate. Yet, the Clintons stand free and on their own power.

    You would think the pre- Impeachment Grand Inquisition of the 90s at a cost of millions of tax-payer dollars we were subjected to by Ken Starr would be proof enough to the doubters.. yet it isn’t enough, never enough-

    At one time, I mentioned all this to a very wise man. His answer was simple, never forgotten and always brought to mind when a similar circumstance presents itself- What he said was a profound statement regarding public opinion..

    What he said was: “They crucified Christ, didn’t they?” Now.. that is something to think about…

  42. Mrs. Smith – one last note
    I followed your link to Buchanan’s article. Buchanan is still fighting “commies and Reds” and not understanding China or Japan at all.
    Can’t believe he said this: “Had FDR met Prince Konoye, there might have been no Pearl Harbor, no Pacific war, no Hiroshima, no Nagasaki, no Korea, no Vietnam. How many of our fathers and uncles, brothers and friends, might still be alive?”
    Tsk, tsk. IMO that’s too silly to consider, but it ought to be noted that Prince Konoye’s peace party was very weakly positioned – could not prevail against the Japanese War Party – and indeed, did not, but it had nothing to do with us. Tojo was militant and powerful . Japan wanted a lot more than oil. Like Hitler they wanted lebensraum and believed themselves superior to all other Asians. Arrogant and aggressive, they were, with a long history of militancy and cruel domination. Read the history of Japanese aggression in Korea, China, Manchuria preceding the march into south Asia. Also, the broken friendship between Japan and England,relationship with Russia, FDR’s idea about protecting and helping Russia, etc.
    Some really good reading available — good first hand stuff, too, which when viewed as part a larger picture reveal threads and patterns which a casual acquaintance with a list of loosely connected facts does not give one. P.S.I’m wondering what sort of “special envoy” your father was to FDr, who by the way, loved special envoys and was clever at selecting them and teasing out what he could learn from them.

  43. moononpluto
    December 1st, 2011 at 2:57 am
    Paybacks a bitch…..

    Richardson Feels New Heat ( NM )

    I think you all know that I brought up the subject of Richardson’s affairs while he was running. It was something whispered by the party, and another person I knew who had a cabin near where they ran a weekend campaign party which caused them media problems, saw it first hand. It is amazing to me that it has taken this long to find something on him. They also need to look into how he paid for the Jet he used in the campaign, as rumors are it came from pots of money not intended for transportation of the Govenor. That plane was used against LTG Diane Denish, even though she had no hand in the purchase of the plane (but then maybe the Governer in NM has the right to use state funds for whatever he likes regardless of how it was approved in the budget). However, the campaign issue was the opulance of that puchase, and not how it was funded.


  44. Laugh of the day is not Judas Richardson getting his fatty just desserts. Laugh of the day is the top headline on Drudge:

    In an interview that aired on The Today Show Thursday, Biden once again left the door open for running for president in 2016.

    “I am never ready to close the door on anything,” Biden said. “I am intent on reelecting Barack Obama president of the United States of America. The rest will take care of itself.”

    Biden’s comments mirror those he made in October in an interview with CNN.

    “My one focus right now is getting the president reelected. I’ll make up my mind on that later,” Biden said to CNN. “I’m not closing any door. My job now and will be vice president of the United States and we got the order right — President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.”

    Biden previously ran for president in 2008.

    Because he did so well in the primaries every time he has run for president Joe thinks he is now the great future of the Obama Dimocratic Party. Watch out Marco Rubio for Joementum. 🙂

  45. If you didnt run a mile before……..

    The raffle dinner winner gets to dine with Michelle too.

    At least we know now it will be at a nice place . . .

    From a campaign email signed by “Barack.”

    If you win a seat at the next dinner with three other supporters and me, you’ll get to bring a guest.

    I thought I’d bring one, too — so I invited Michelle.

    She’s in.

    Donate $3 or whatever you can to be automatically entered to sit down for a meal with Michelle and me.

    Michelle and I don’t get to spend as much time as we’d like with the people who are building the 2012 campaign.


    I’d rather buy a raffle where i get to dunk them by throwing balls at a target. Then can we have 2 for 1.

  46. ADMIN, in response to the laugh about Joe Biden, I visualize a cartoon of these top Dimocrats walking around yakking with crossed eyes focused on the tips of their noses seeing nothing of the world around them. Don’t you just want to shake him till his flashy teeth fall out?!

  47. one of people who commenter here about how she got a ride in Hillary’s motorcade?
    I missed that, Betty, but no doubt Obie figures he has upped HRC 1 once again.

  48. “Can’t believe he said this: “Had FDR met Prince Konoye, there might have been no Pearl Harbor, no Pacific war, no Hiroshima, no Nagasaki, no Korea, no Vietnam. How many of our fathers and uncles, brothers and friends, might still be alive?”

    haha.. I did a double take after reading Buchanan’s wishful revisionist history as well- and I am not a principle in WW2 historical facts as you are.


    P.S.I’m wondering what sort of “special envoy” your father was to FDr, who by the way, loved special envoys and was clever at selecting them and teasing out what he could learn from them.

    That, I do not know- what I can tell you, my father’s letters to Mom- his many letters were tied with a pale blue ribbon tucked away in her cedar chest, were those of beautifully written poetry. The more forward correspondence he had written to her looked like rectangular pairings of Swiss cheese almost indecipherable for reading.

    Joe Biden’s Freeper nickname within Republican ranks is “plugs”.. a cosmetic reinforcement for his comb over- that should command a refund.

  49. Urgh….enough with them.

    Joe III refuses to rule out run for Barney’s seat

    Middlesex prosecutor Joseph P. Kennedy III — widely seen as the best hope to carry the torch of the legendary family dynasty to a new generation — told the Herald last night he is leaving the door open to a run for Congress.


    Can’t these bloodsuckers just go away.

  50. gonzotx
    December 1st, 2011 at 1:28 am
    Well, I don’t think the fraud would have won if Hillary had not campaigned so hard for him. She made many of her followers believe they were doing the right thing.

    And look at us now.


    Sure, lets blame Hillary and Bill for everything. It’s not as if their was free choice or anything and voters were forced to vote for him. It’s not as if everyone has a mind of his/her own.

    I’m sorry but I’m going to have to disagree with you here. Hillary didn’t “make” anyone do anything.

  51. Barack Obama Has, on Average, Attended a Fundraiser Every Five Days in 2011

    The president’s blistering fundraising schedule has outpaced his predecessors in the White House.

    By Andy Kroll | Thu Dec. 1, 2011

    On Wednesday, President Obama zipped up to New York City to attend three different fundraising events. Occupy Wall Street protesters greeted the president outside the Sheraton New York [1], the site of one of Obama’s fundraisers, though New York police officers kept the demonstrators penned in what NYPD called “frozen zones.”

    But perhaps the most interesting item to come out of Obama’s New York swing was this statistic, via CBS News’ Mark Knoller:

    Sixty-nine fundraisers this year by December 1. That’s an average of more than one fundraiser every five days. (Though, as Obama’s latest New York trip shows, these events are often clustered together on a single day.) This is a blistering pace of rainmaking for the 44th president in 2011.

    Obama’s fundraising activity surpasses that of predecessors George W. Bush and Bill Clinton. According to Brendan Doherty, a political scientist at the US Naval Academy, Bush attended 41 fundraisers between January 1, 2003 and November 30, 2003. Clinton attended 23 fundraisers from January 1 1995 and November 30, 1995.

    ama is not on the money trail because he enjoys hotel ballrooms and posing for pictures with 1 percenters. The president’s ramped-up fundraising efforts reflect the changing landscape of money in American politics, especially in the wake of the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision [3]. Clinton and Bush II didn’t have to worry about candidate-specific super-PACs [4] and Karl Rove’s shadowy Crossroads GPS [5] outfit raising tens of millions of dollars to finance negative ads. And with the collapse of the presidential public financing system, which capped a candidate’s spending, it’s up to the candidates to rustle up as much private money as they can in the campaign arms race. (Obama opted out of [6] the public financing system during the 2008 election, becoming the first presidential candidate to do so.)

    Obama’s fundraising has more than paid off. The president has raised nearly $90 million so far—but with a significant 46 percent of it from small donors—for his re-election effort, according to [7] the Center for Responsive Politics. The next highest fundraiser in the 2012 presidential field is Republican Mitt Romney, who has raked in [8] $32.2 million.

    Obama’s pace exceeds his own fundraising in the early stages of his first presidential run, in 2007. Through September 30, 2007, Obama had raised [9] $80 million; this time around, that figure was $88 million through September 30. As the president, he does have the full backing and fundraising muscle of the Democratic National Committee, which is scouring the country for every dollar and every volunteer it can find to power Obama through what’s shaping up to be one of the most bruising, cash-drenched campaigns in history.

  52. Thursday, December 1, 2011

    A word of thanks from President Bill Clinton

    Thank you to all who watched the World AIDS Day event this morning and for your continued support of our work. The global partners involved in the fight against AIDS—including leaders from governments, the private sector, and civil society—have sent a message to the developing world: we care about you and your children, and we will work together to eliminate AIDS from the next generation.

  53. Admin…

    It’s a laugh only matched by our groan when we hear the whine of “Why oh why is Hillary saying nice things about Obama? Why oh why is Bill saying nice things about Obama? They’re dead to me for saying nice things about horrible Barack. Dead I tell you! Why oh why don’t they just shut up? Why? Why? Why?” We’ve answered these plaints before and we’re not going to beat this dead horse again. But consider – you don’t bait a trap with vinegar. You use honey, Honey.

    One big pink AMEN to that !

  54. After reading admins great post, I still hope Trump decides to run as an Independent, the worry he has is that he could split the Rethug vote and help Barry win.

    …but, what about all the Hillary, white working class, with or without degrees that know Barry is a turd and do not want some religious right conservative at the helm, what about the indies that want someone with good business sense, great negotiating skills, someone that doesn’t need to pander to get political funding, doesn’t believe in stripping SS nor Medicare, and someone who is used to working and getting things done.

    He won’t decide until next Sping when his show is over and he sees if the Rethughs nominate a whimp or not.

  55. Shadowfax:

    Are you referring to the pea-brained drive-by posters tossing their litter out of their car windows?

  56. Looks like Cain is dead in the water,practically admitting affair.

    Cain says he should have told his wife about his “friendship” with Ginger White.

  57. Cains finished after this….

    Cain: Wife didn’t know about friendship, ‘financial assistance’ to Ginger White

    Herman Cain acknowledged Thursday that he repeatedly gave Ginger White money to help her with “month-to-month bills and expenses” without telling his wife.

    In fact, the embattled presidential candidate said, his wife, Gloria, “did not know that we were friends until she (White) came out with this story.”

    In his most candid interview since the latest allegations emerged, Cain adamantly maintained that he and White were no more than friends.

    Cain also stated clearly for the first time that he is considering getting out of the presidential race

    Asked whether leaving the race is one of the options he is currently assessing, Cain said, “Yes, it is an option.”

    Cain told the New Hampshire Union Leader that in about 70 text messages she sent him between Oct. 22 and Nov. 18, she was “asking for financial assistance. She was out of work and had trouble paying her bills and I had known her as a friend.

    “She wasn’t the only friend who I had helped in these tough economic times, and so her messages to me were relating to ‘need money for rent’ or whatever the case may be. I don’t remember all the specifics.”

    Cain said White, who has alleged that she and Cain had a 13-year extramarital affair, told him that she did not have a job and was unable to get financial help from her family, “and that quite frankly, I was the only person who was a friend at the time – and I underscore ‘friend’ – that was in a position to help her.

    “I’m a soft-hearted person when it comes to that stuff. I have helped members of my church. I have helped members of my family.

    “And I know a lot of other people who had done the same thing, and sometimes, quite frankly, it was desperation,” Cain said.

    Cain said that in 17 reported text messages back to her, he would respond with messages such as, “What are you doing to get a job?”

    Cain said he did give Ginger White money, although he would not say how much on the advice of counsel.

    And, he acknowledged, “My wife did not know about it, and that was the revelation. My wife found out about it when she went public with it.

    “My wife now knows,” Cain said. “My wife and I have talked about it and I have explained it to her. My wife understands that I’m a soft-hearted giving person.”

    He said his wife “is comfortable with the explanation that I told her.”

    He said he told his wife about White only after White went public.

    Cain said that in retrospect he should have told his wife about his friendship with White, “but retrospect doesn’t necessarily change what’s going on now.”

    He also said his wife “did not know we were friends until she (White) came out with this story.”

    He said White did not threaten to go public with the allegation of an affair if Cain did not give her money, “nor was there any indication that there might be blackmail or anything like that.

    “I thought I was helping a friend, end of story,” he said.

    Cain said the two “struck up a friendship” many years ago when she attended a conference in Louisville, Ky., where he was the keynote speaker.

    Cain said he does not know why White has gone public with the allegation.

    “But I have very strong speculation that someone offered her a lot of money,” Cain said. “I was helping her with month-to-month bills and expenses and somebody _ this is speculation only _ offered her a lot of money.

    “And one of my objectives is to clear my name and my reputation,” Cain said.

    Cain said that although he is considering leaving the race, “We weren’t slowing down. We’re keeping all commitments and we’re reassessing several things.

    “So, yes, getting out is an option,” he said. “That just meant were were not going put the brakes on until” he made his decision.

    Cain said he intends to meet with his wife and family members during the weekend.

    He said he will leave the race if his wife asks him to do so, “but my wife wouldn’t ask me to get out.”

    “I would make a decision based on how all of this stuff is affecting her,” he said.


    Its the Edwards mess all over again, you dont keep on giving cash to a woman for no reason. Who’s he kidding.

  58. Americangal posted a similar article up thread. This is a small indication of how LOW our country has sunk mired in Chicago corruption. A real travesty ignored by Congress particularly, The House-

    Obama Administration Seals Court Records of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s Murder


    “You can see why the administration wants to keep this information from the public and the media, considering the smugglers were essentially armed by the U.S. government. Truth is, no one will know the reason for the confiscation of public court records in this case because

    the judge’s decision to seal it was also sealed, according to the news story. That means the public or media won’t have access to any new or old evidence, filings, rulings or arguments.

  59. moononpluto
    December 1st, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    So the Pizza Don is really a Don Juan- Oy!

    Another one bites the dust!

  60. (AP) — Republican presidential contender Herman Cain says he hasn’t yet faced his wife and family to discuss a woman’s accusation of a 13-year extramarital affair.

    On Monday, a Georgia woman said she and Cain had carried on a consensual sexual relationship, but he denies it. The former businessman says he’s only spoken to his wife by phone since then.
    Cain has maintained a busy campaign schedule this week. On Wednesday night he spoke to reporters at his New Hampshire campaign headquarters.

    Cain says he won’t decide whether to continue the campaign until he sees his wife in person. He expects to do that Friday.

    Something stinks in Denmark again.
    Cain doesn’t rush home to talk to his wife and never mentioned his ‘friendship’ with this woman that he has given money to many times?

    Cain may end up not running for Prez and may end up ruining his married life?

  61. It breaks my heart to think that this still goes on…

    ‘Kristallnacht’ in New Jersey

    Windows smashed at five Jewish-owned stores; Rutgers University Hillel, Chabad also hit

    Thursday, December 1, 2011

    Jewish merchants in Highland Park, New Jersey awoke Wednesday morning to the shock of seeing their storefront windows shattered on the sidewalk.

    “Everything seems to point to a bias crime. I don’t want to jump to that conclusion. There were other Jewish-owned stores that were not hit,” said Rabbi Edward Prince, owner of Jerusalem Pizza.

    According to reports, five Jewish-owned establishments — two kosher restaurants, two Judaica shops and a hardware store — dotting the town’s mile-long main street were vandalized overnight in what police are treating as an apparent hate crime.

    “The preliminary investigation determined that the shops that were targeted are Jewish businesses that trade in such items as clothing, food and religious items and are owned by Jewish merchants,” said Middlesex County prosecutor Bruce Kaplan.

    The Anti-Defamation League called the crimes “shocking.”“We are appalled by the targeting of Jewish stores and Jewish campus institutions at Rutgers,” said Lawrence Cooper, ADL New Jersey Regional Board Chair. “These shocking crimes target the entire Jewish community as these locations appear to have been selected because of their Jewishness.”

    The destruction took place on the anniversary of the 1947 United Nations Partition Vote to create the Jewish State in Palestine. The attacks came just two days after someone tossed a brick through the windows of both the Hillel center and Chabad house at nearby Rutgers University.

    The Algemeiner Journal contends that both crimes may have been foreshadowed during two recent disturbances.

    Facebook rumors indicated that during two separate incidents, at least one individual made antisemitic remarks and threatened to launch a new “Kristallnacht” – a reference to the “night of broken glass” pogrom that occurred in Germany in 1938. One altercation occurred at the local kosher Dunkin’ Donuts where an individual allegedly threatened to return and attack “the Jews and their disgusting friends.” According to an eyewitness, the individual was escorted from the premises during his rant.

    Another incident occurred during a regularly scheduled Highland Park Town Hall meeting where an individual allegedly made “virulently antisemitic remarks.” Highland Park recently elected an Orthodox Jewish man as its mayor.

    By Wednesday afternoon, police had arrested 52-year-old Richard Green of New Brunswick in connection with the latest vandalism although they have yet to charge him with a hate crime.

  62. So much for an “Arab Spring”


    Islamists Say They Have Mandate in Egypt Voting

    CAIRO — Islamists claimed a decisive victory on Wednesday as early election results put them on track to win a dominant majority in Egypt’s first Parliament since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, the most significant step yet in the religious movement’s rise since the start of the Arab Spring.

    The party formed by the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s mainstream Islamist group, appeared to have taken about 40 percent of the vote, as expected. But a big surprise was the strong showing of ultraconservative Islamists, called Salafis, many of whom see most popular entertainment as sinful and reject women’s participation in voting or public life…

  63. On Monday, a Georgia woman said she and Cain had carried on a consensual sexual relationship, but he denies it. The former businessman says he’s only spoken to his wife by phone since then.


    Sounds like the reaction of an innocent man falsely accused. Why should he interrupt his campaign to go home to discuss such an accusation?

    This pressure for Cain to drop out reminds me of the pressure for Hillary to drop out!

  64. Its the Edwards mess all over again, you dont keep on giving cash to a woman for no reason.


    That’s a dirty minded attitude. He’s a rich Christian — they’re supposed to give money to friends who are in need, both men and women.

  65. I still hope Trump decides to run as an Independent, the worry he has is that he could split the Rethug vote and help Barry win.

    …but, what about all the Hillary, white working class, with or without degrees that know Barry is a turd and do not want some religious right conservative at the helm, what about the indies that want someone with good business sense, great negotiating skills, someone that doesn’t need to pander to get political funding, doesn’t believe in stripping SS nor Medicare, and someone who is used to working and getting things done.


    POTUS Trump might be preferable. But COULD he actually win, or would he just split the anti-Obama vote?

  66. Buchanan’s article. Buchanan is still fighting “commies and Reds” and not understanding China or Japan at all.
    Can’t believe he said this: “Had FDR met Prince Konoye, there might have been no Pearl Harbor, no Pacific war, no Hiroshima, no Nagasaki, no Korea, no Vietnam. How many of our fathers and uncles, brothers and friends, might still be alive?”
    Tsk, tsk. IMO that’s too silly to consider


    Buchanan said that? The way I heard history, without Pearl Harbor the USA might have stayed out of WWII altogether — or at least much longer. Maybe till it was too late to stop Hitler taking over Europe, and Japan taking over China and the Pacific — permanently.

  67. oh turndown get you head out of your ass for once.

    He didnt tell his wife he’d been giving a woman money every month for 13 years and didnt tell his wife of the relationship and texting the woman at 4am in the morning. Wake up, you must live in disneyworld.

  68. Someone else posted about Whyte’s bad reputation with money.

    “But I have very strong speculation that someone offered her a lot of money,” Cain said. “I was helping her with month-to-month bills and expenses and somebody _ this is speculation only _ offered her a lot of money.”

    So what did his 4am text messages SAY? I often catch up on posting and email etc in the middle of the night, and I’m not having an affair with anyone. 😉

  69. tweet from Sarah Palin
    Dang – spoke too rapidly on @hannityshow; should have clarified I’m for eliminating “fed corporate income tax.”
    8 hours ago via web

  70. As a senior on ss/medicare, I’m incredibly interested in seeing this FICA tax cut end. Hopium-addled Senator Bob Casey’s campaign sent out an email yesterday which said: “Good News. As early as today, the Senate could vote on legislation I’ve proposed to grow the economy by cutting the payroll tax for working families and small businesses.”

    And this morning I find I do have good news:

    Senate defeats rival payroll tax cut extension bills
    By Josiah Ryan – 12/01/11 09:24 PM ET

    Senate Republicans on Thursday night voted to defeat the latest installment of President Obama’s jobs plan– a bill to extend the payroll tax cut. The bill, officially called the Middle Class Tax Cut Act, S. 1917, was shot down 51-49, and would have cut the employee and employer payroll tax to 3.1 percent, half of the 6.2 percent tax they would normally face.
    Most Republicans, however, said they supported the underlying cuts, but would reject the bill because of the included “surtax on millionaires,” which would have applied a 3.25 percent tax on modified adjusted gross income higher than $1 million, or $500,000 for a married individual filing separately. Similar pay-for mechanism have sunk almost every fragment of the Obama jobs bill that have hit the Senate floor so far this year. In response to Reid’s allegations that they opposed a tax cut, Republicans hurried on Wednesday to come up with their own version of the plan which was also defeated Thursday night, but by a 20-78 margin.

    That proposal would have met Democratic demands to extend the payroll-tax cut but would have funded it by extending a two-year freeze on pay for federal workers and by reducing the federal workforce by 10 percent. Centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), who was one of only three caucusing Democrats to buck their party’s leadership in opposing the Democratic version claimed on Thursday it could undermine the financial integrity of Social Security. …

  71. Conservatives craft bill to prevent IMF bailout of crumbling eurozone
    By Alexander Bolton – 12/02/11 06:00 AM ET
    Conservatives say they will try to block the International Monetary Fund from bailing out Italy and Spain, which they say could leave U.S. taxpayers with a huge bill. Republicans on both sides of the Capitol complain that the Obama administration has refused to share details of what Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is discussing with European leaders amid reports the IMF could intervene.

  72. When you have 8 minutes, please watch this video about an equine rescue founded by a close friend of my older daughter. The video will not help you accept the recent legislation regarding equine slaughter.

  73. Sebelius claims health care is an issue of national security.

    FTA – “there’s no question in this global economy when we’re competing with nations across the globe we need all 300 million Americans to be equipped and fully participating in society. If we have a population that is handicapped by chronic disease or managing disease or absent from work, it harms not only their health by the harms the productivity of our country.”

    She sounds like she is making up reasons (excuses) for the death panels. Remove those who can no longer participate – just like Hitler did!

  74. Ok can i ask all the ladies here, what would you do to your husband if you found out, he had been giving some woman you knew nothing about, $500 or more a month on a regular basis for 13 years and was frequently phoning and texting her and those texts were happening at 4am and other unusual times.

    Would you

    A : reach for the nearest heaviest object and let him have it?
    B : ask for an explanation, empty his bank account and then kick his ass out the door?
    C : accept it as a charitable christian thing for him to do?

  75. admin- video at link- if you have time to post it!

    Gingrich Tells ABC News: ‘I’m Going to Be The Nominee’ I agree- Now theres a debate ( Newt scorches Barack ) worth watching..

    WEST DES MOINES, IOWA — A very confident New Gingrich asserted to ABC News Thursday afternoon that he will be the Republican presidential nominee.

    “I’m going to be the nominee,” the former Speaker told ABC News. “It’s very hard not to look at the recent polls and think that the odds are very high I’m going to be the nominee.”

    The bold assertion came after Gingrich refused to criticize the Republican challengers who have begun attacking him and his record.

    TAPPER: “How do you respond to Republicans who say if you don’t draw distinctions with Mitt Romney and others who are attacking you, if you don’t point out their perceived vulnerabilities, Barack Obama and the Democrats sure aren’t going to share that same reluctance and you are doing Obama a favor by staying positive?”

    GINGRICH: “They are not going to be the nominee. I don’t have to go around and point out the inconsistencies of people who are not going to be the nominee. They are not going to be the nominee.”

    TAPPER: “You are going to be the nominee?”

    GINGRICH: “I’m going to be the nominee. It’s very hard not to look at the recent polls and think that the odds are very high I’m going to be the nominee. And by the way I don’t object if people want to attack me, that’s their right. All I’m suggesting that it’s not going to be very effective and that people are going to get sick of it very fast. And the guys who attacked each other in the debates up to now, every single one of them have lost ground by attacking. So they should do what they and their consultants want to do. I will focus on being substantive and I will focus on Barack Obama.” platformvideo managementvideo solutionsvideo player

  76. Bloody hell, its fudge the jobs figures month, they expect us to believe, they added 120K jobs and the unemployment rate has dropped from 9.0 to 8.6%. Totally unbelievable, whos doing the number crunching, fairy unicorns. Even the economic commentators are calling bullshit.

  77. Well, the Richardson Sexual scandal finally hit the local TV news. A day late and a dollar short. But somehow I still want him to be punished for what he did to HRC. Will it help? Probably not, but I still want it to happen. Would be nice if his wife kicked his Axx out the door also.

  78. My favorite Newt quote:

    “I will focus on being substantive and I will focus on Barack Obama.”

    All Newt has to do is barrage Obama with facts and watch him crumple-up and fall to the floor with an unscripted stomach ache..

  79. NMF, thing is who in their right mind would wanna boff Richardson. I’d sooner pluck my eyes out with a pitchfork.

  80. For the last three months, the weekly unemployment claims have consistently been near 400K (except for two weeks, which were still over 385K) and that equals a .4% drop in the unemployment number?

    The ONLY way this number has dropped that much is if a VERY LARGE portion of job seekers have simply STOPPED LOOKING!!

    Labor force declined by 310k.

  81. moon:

    I can’t answer for the ladies here, but I will say that this whole business, and the options your are proposing, does not concern me as a voter. It concerns Cain and his wife.

    I think you are right that the business will put an end to his campaign, but that it up to the grunt American voter and what they think of Cain now. Me, it doesn’t change my judgment of him one iota, which is that he has taken a couple of stands that I don’t agree with (his 999 plan is bullshit…) but that I would vote for him anyway.

  82. Richardson joined the Judas Fan club when he abandoned best friends, Bill and Hillary- we don’t forget!

  83. If Cain routinely ‘helps’ friends in need with monthly stipends, where are the rest of the people that he has helped?? If he is telling the truth, then there should be people lining up to tell the press about how wonderful a friend Cain is and how much his generosity has helped them weather difficult times. Where are they all?? CRICKETS

  84. Leanora
    December 2nd, 2011 at 7:24 am

    Sebelius claims health care is an issue of national security.

    National Security starts with food safety. The known disease laden foods beginning with Monsanto’s g-nome altered seeds growing vegetables with embedded pathogens seems to be an elusive issue unimportant to Sebelius. Besides the outing last month of high levels of carcinogenic arsenic found in apple and grape juice served to infants and children setting them up for a future dealing with vital organ cancers and death.

    How does Sebellius justify dealing with the end of life when her job is to protect citizens beginning with the inception of life?

  85. I think you are right that the business will put an end to his campaign, but that it up to the grunt American voter and what they think of Cain now.

    So, was it very wise of the Obama operatives to dislodge Cain as the Republican frontrunner out of fear he would split the black vote Obama so desperately needs to better his chances of winning?

    It appears the prospects of Obama having to face Gingrich has him losing ground rather than improving his position
    now that he has bounced out of the frying pan leaping head first into a Republican deep fat fryer!

    What’s a poor Loser to do? Oy!

  86. What is happening to Cain is similar to the assault which took place on NY Gov. David Paterson. I don’t know why Obama did not want Paterson to run for a full term, but he didn’t. Paterson vowed to stay in the race. Then the scandals came, one after another. until Paterson finally sent up a white flag, and more scandals were not required. The job was complete.

  87. “The ONLY way this number has dropped that much is if a VERY LARGE portion of job seekers have simply STOPPED LOOKING!!”
    I suspect that we will see more phony numbers in the coming year. Roughly 150,000 new jobs need to be created each month in order to keep up with the increasing population. The U3 unemployment rate, which is the one usually quoted, is easily manipulated by making small “adjustments” in the “labor force participation rate.”

  88. I guess I agree with those that say their personnel lives to me are not important. But what concerns me more is that they lie about it, and display themselves like they are these people who are pure.

    I have to wonder if they were upfront about these things in their past, if anyone could use it against them. Gingrich, whom I detest, cannot run from his past, as it is known. Bill cannot run from his past, and I think that people have accepted that.

    The problem with Cain and all the rest, is their presentation of purity, and then they lie and really make fools of themselves.

    I like the reply that Bill gave when they asked why he did it and the answer was, BECAUSE I COULD. That is the brute honesty of it. People get intoxicated with the power, and somehow think they are above it.

    With Richardson, since I personally detest him and what he did to HRC, it just is a joy to seem him brought down. However, I hold him personally responsible for what happen not only in 2008, but what is happening to this country today, since he was influencial in putting that fraud in Office. No amount of investigation or jail time can change how he changed the course of history. I will never forgive him for that.

  89. I doubt we, the public, will ever know the absolute whole truth about the Cain scandal(s). None of my business anyway. If he was a valid challenger to obama then I wouldn’t care one way or another.

  90. First Lady of The World is on the road again and greeted with open arms whwerever she travels.

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    December 2, 2011

    Secretary Clinton is on foreign travel in Rangoon, Burma. She is accompanied by Counselor Mills, Assistant Secretary Campbell, Assistant Secretary Posner, and Policy Planning Director Sullivan. Click here for more information.

    9:00 a.m. LOCAL Secretary Clinton holds a private meeting with Aung San Suu Kyi in Rangoon, Burma.

    10:55 a.m. LOCAL Secretary Clinton meets with ethnic minority representatives in Rangoon, Burma.

    12:40 p.m. LOCAL Secretary Clinton meets with civil society representatives in Rangoon, Burma.

    2:55 p.m. LOCAL Secretary Clinton meets with the staff of Embassy Rangoon in Rangoon, Burma.

  91. Hillary Clinton visits Burma – in pictures

    The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, has visited Burma in a tentative rapprochement after more than 50 years of estrangement between the country and the west. She met the Burmese prime minister, Thein Sein, and parliamentary officials in the new capital, Naypyitaw. Later she had dinner with the democracy campaigner Aung San Suu Kyi.

  92. • turndownobama
    December 1st, 2011 at 11:26 pm
    Buchanan’s article. Buchanan is still fighting “commies and Reds” and not understanding China or Japan at all.
    Can’t believe he said this: “Had FDR met Prince Konoye, there might have been no Pearl Harbor, no Pacific war, no Hiroshima, no Nagasaki, no Korea, no Vietnam. How many of our fathers and uncles, brothers and friends, might still be alive?”
    Tsk, tsk. IMO that’s too silly to consider
    Buchanan said that? The way I heard history, without Pearl Harbor the USA might have stayed out of WWII altogether — or at least much longer. Maybe till it was too late to stop Hitler taking over Europe, and Japan taking over China and the Pacific — permanently.
    If it hadn’t been Pearl, it would have been the Philippines directly. The Japanese wanted the Philippines. If we hadn’t moved our little fleet from San Diego to Pearl , Pearl would not have been the target. The Japanese wanted the Philippines and since it was ours, our fleet at Pearl was too close. Solution for Japanese? – eliminate our inadequate little navy and then go for the Philippines.
    As for Buchanan’s focus on Prime Minister Prince Konoe, Buchanan apparently does not know that Konoye sent his ambassador, Nomura, to Wash to talk peace with FDR – FDR spent a lot of time with Konoe’s rep. Fact is, they were still engaged in those peace talks when Peal was hit. So what the hell is Buchanan talking about when he says FDR ought to have met K? Does he think FDR ought to have gone to Tokyo to talk face to face the Prime Minister? Well, why didn’t Konoe come to Wash instead of sending his ambassador, Nomura?
    Anyway, here’s what FDR knew: Konoye was a pawn … allowed to diddle with the US while the war department (Tojo) got the military ready for the plan to eliminate US Navy. The emperor was talking out of both sides of his mouth, approving both K and Tojo who was head of war dept and whom the emperor appointed Prime Minister in place of K. when K was no longer needed to distract us.
    But don’t take my word for this – do the research, dig out the nitty gritty. Do what Buchanan did not. What was actually in this “peace” plan? — and why could neither FDR or the Japanese take it seriously?
    Next Wed, Dec 7th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

  93. I love those photos with Aung San Suu Kyi. Hillary looked so energized, and Aung looked tired, but seemed to be getting some rejuvination from how enthusiastic H was. I love how hey coordinated the white and black outfits and the pony tail hair dos.

  94. Here’s some official description of Americans For Prosperity – PA in Scranton two days ago.

    “The news broke on Monday that President Obama was coming to Northeastern Pennsylvania to promote his “Jobs (killing) Bill”. Too bad the Democratic-controlled Senate already voted it down. For the President to fly to Pennsylvania to talk about a bill that his party already voted down means one thing: he was really here campaigning on YOUR dime.

    “So we taxpayers had an idea: let’s pull a group together to counter the President’s big government/big spending message. Many of us have been down this road together before. The President lands on our turf and we gather our Gadsden Flags and signs and peacefully protest his message…and the media gets to write us off as an angry mob.

    “While the President was touching down to offer up the failed stimulus of 2009 repackaged as a Jobs Bill, our activists got to hear from the real job creators in our state: the business community….”
    One local station reported on the meeting with this headline: Counter Rally During Obama’s Visit to Scranton
    And there is a video of attendee statements at YouTube, “Scranton Activists: It’s Time for Some Real Change Obama”

  95. holdthemaccountable
    December 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 am

    What is happening to Cain is similar to the assault which took place on NY Gov. David Paterson. I don’t know why Obama did not want Paterson to run for a full term, but he didn’t.

    Paterson was being pressured from both sides. New Yorkers and Obama. You’ll remember, Hillary left her senate seat open when she decided to run. Caroline Kennedy made it known she wanted Hillary’s seat and I surmised Obama had promised it to her in a deal to gain Teddy’s support.

    When Caroline began making public appearances around the state feigning interest in the issues most pressing to the ‘common folk’- Kennedy couldn’t fool the politically adept New Yorkers with insignificant photo-ops. New Yorkers revolted at replacing Hillary with a do-nothing Kennedy holding a limited resume consisting of handing out awards for her father’s foundation and supporting an outlander from Illinois rather than a favorite daughter of the State of NY.

    With little public appeal- she was shunned by the locals pressuring Paterson to appoint someone else… either ( Gillibrand or Maloney )

    Paterson was between the rock and the hard place as they say- the scandal was the punishment issued to Paterson for not appointing Caroline as was requested by Obama…Paterson was the second victim feeling the scythe of Obama after a previous sex scandal sent Eliot Spitzer packing joining the rest of Obama’s victims in the dust bin of sex scandals.

  96. the scandal was the punishment issued to Paterson for not appointing Caroline as was requested by Obama…Paterson was the second victim feeling the scythe of Obama after a previous sex scandal sent Eliot Spitzer packing joining the rest of Obama’s victims in the dust bin of sex scandals.


    With Spitzer the timing was really obvious. This was when Obama’s camp was beginning an attack on the Superdelegates (most of whom at that time were for Hillary). Spitzer was about to come out with an explanation and defense of the Superdelegates, and the scandal became news just a day or two before.

    Tho not a sex scandal, Ferraro was treated the same way. She was coming out about the purpose of Superdelegatss, when some news media made a fuss about a comment she had made two weeks previous (about Obama’s color having helped him) and she had to resign from her advisory position with Hillary’s campaign.

    On the other side, in 2000/2001 when Jesse Jackson was about to report on Bush’s poll violations, suddenly a scandal came out about a long term affair he had had.

  97. If Cain routinely ‘helps’ friends in need with monthly stipends, where are the rest of the people that he has helped?? If he is telling the truth, then there should be people lining up to tell the press about how wonderful a friend Cain is and how much his generosity has helped them weather difficult times. Where are they all?? CRICKETS


    Maybe they don’t want to be accused of having an affair with him. 😉

  98. I can’t answer for the ladies here, but I will say that this whole business, and the options your are proposing, does not concern me as a voter. It concerns Cain and his wife.


    This respectable old lady agrees.

  99. Mrs. Smith: “…Obama had promised it to her in a deal to gain Teddy’s support.”

    Maybe you should say, “in return for Teddy’s support” and not “gain” because Obama already had Teddy’s support for a year by the time it came to filling Hillary’s seat. Sorry, just nitpicking as usual.

  100. As a senior on ss/medicare, I’m incredibly interested in seeing this FICA tax cut end.


    Yes. When that cut began, it was in effect balanced by getting rid of the “Making Work Pay” tax break. So the workers had no benefit, and their SS accounts lost.

  101. “…Obama had promised it to her in a deal to gain Teddy’s support.”

    Maybe you should say, “in return for Teddy’s support” and not “gain” because Obama already had Teddy’s support for a year by the time it came to filling Hillary’s seat. Sorry, just nitpicking as usual.


    A worthwhile correction. Teddy’s support came early in 2008. Are we to suppose that Obama had made a deal with Teddy that if he won, he’d appoint Hillary as SOS so she would vacate her Senate seat? Till offered SOS in late 2008, Hillary had planned to go back to being “the Senator from New York.”

  102. HRC in Burma: Remarks With Aung San Suu Kyi

    SECRETARY CLINTON: Well, I want to begin by not only thanking you for your hospitality and welcoming us all here to your home today, but for your steadfast and very clear leadership of the opposition and of many here in Burma whose voices would not otherwise be heard, including ethnic nationalities.
    About the way forward, democracy is the goal. That has been the goal from the very beginning. And yet we know that it has been a long, very difficult path that has been followed. We do see openings today that, as Aung San Suu Kyi just said, give us some grounds for encouragement. My visit, both here with members of the opposition as well as representatives of civil society and the ethnic nationalities, in concert with my visit with government officials yesterday, is intended to explore the path forward.
    The United States wants to be a partner with Burma. We want to work with you as you further democratization, as you release all political prisoners, as you begin the difficult but necessary process of ending the ethnic conflicts that have gone on far too long, as you hold elections that are free, fair, and credible. But we also, because of our close work with you, know that there’s much work to be done to build the capacity of the government. This is going to be an area that we will continue to consult closely with you to see what kind, as you said, technical assistance might be offered. The rule of law is essential in any democracy, and we will also look for ways we can work to further that.
    But let me conclude by underscoring that you have been an inspiration, but I know you feel that you are standing for all the people of your country who deserve the same rights and freedoms of people everywhere. The people have been courageous and strong in the face of great difficulty over too many years. We want to see this country take its rightful place in the world. We want to see every child here given the chance for a good education, for the healthcare that he or she needs, for a job that will support a family, for development not only in the cities, but in the rural areas as well.
    So we hold the dream that you have so long represented to many of us around the world, and we want to be a partner with you, with the new government, and with all people of goodwill who want finally to see the future that is right there waiting realized for every single citizen.
    So thank you again for your gracious hospitality, but thank you even more for your leadership and your strong partnership with the United States.

    MS. KYI: I would like to thank – end with a last note of thanks, a word of thanks to President Obama and to the United States of America for working so closely with us throughout, consulting us along each step of the way, and for the careful and collaborated way in which they are approaching engagement in this country. This will be the beginning of a new future for all of us, provided we can maintain it, and we hope to be able to do so.
    Thank you.

  103. Thanks for filling in so many blanks. One more, if any of you care to. In reference to tdo’s remark “When that cut began, it was in effect balanced by getting rid of the “Making Work Pay” tax break.”
    what is the Making Work Pay tax break?

  104. Donald Trump to moderate pre-caucuses GOP presidential debate in Iowa on December 27, reports NYTimes

    Well this ought to be fun.

  105. MoonOnPluto, that is going to be a humdinger debate for Christmas week. An easy prediction: the narrative for this debate will be “Ultimate Celebrity Apprentice”.

  106. Looks like he’s out of the race.

    Embattled presidential candidate Herman Cain is inviting his top supporters and donors to Atlanta on Saturday for a meeting in which he will give them advance word of whether he intends to continue his campaign, sources close to the campaign said Friday.

    One supporter who has been summoned to the private session said he believes that Cain is likely to announce he is ending his candidacy.

    Another who has been invited to the morning meeting says attendees have been told he has made no decision, but wanted to meet with some of the supporters to express his gratitude.

    Several sources indicated that Cain is likely to announce his plans publicly at a news conference after the meeting. Cain had already scheduled an event on Saturday — the grand opening of his national headquarters in his hometown of Atlanta, as well as the announcement of his campaign’s freshly minted senior leadership team for the state of Georgia.

  107. “Obama had promised it to her in a deal to gain Teddy’s support.”


    “in return for Teddy’s support”

    yes, much better choice of words.. thanks-

    I was really pressed for time when writing my post. My ‘tenses’ regarding time took advantage of the opening-

  108. 8.6% and falling..happy for country, unhappy that this more or less makes Obama a shoe in for re-election. Improved economy and he has had some success on national security. This makes it nearly impossible for any republican to win…

  109. Bill Clinton discusses new book on the PBS NEWSHOUR tonight

    Tune in alert for PBS, as Bill Clinton to discuss his new book on the PBS NEWSHOUR tonight.

    Former President Bill Clinton will sit down with Senior Correspondent Judy Woodruff on the PBS NEWSHOUR tonight to talk about his new book, Back to Work.

    In addition to discussing the book, Woodruff will ask the former Commander in Chief about the latest unemployment figures and his prescription for getting the economy back on track.

    Plus, she�ll get his insights on the 2012 Presidential campaign. The interview will be taped this afternoon and air on the Newshour tonight. ( I think it’s on at 6:00pm est tonight)


  110. jbstonesfan
    December 2nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    8.6% and falling..happy for country, unhappy that this more or less makes Obama a shoe in for re-election. Improved economy and he has had some success on national security. This makes it nearly impossible for any republican to win…

    Not really, jbstonesfan. He is in no better shape today compared to yesterday. What is important is the total number of people who hasn’t found employment yet. People moving out of the job market are not likely to vote for Obama.

  111. OT: smile for Friday…

    It’s time again for the annual ‘Stella Awards’! For those unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the McDonald’s in New Mexico , where she purchased coffee. You remember, she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while she was driving. Who would ever think one could get burned doing that, right? That’s right; these are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and verdicts in the U.S. You know, the kinds of cases that make you scratch your head. So keep your head scratcher handy.

    Here are the Stellas for this past year — 2010 :


    Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was running inside a furniture store. The store owners were understandably surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own son

    Start scratching!


    Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles , California won $74,000 plus medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Truman apparently didn’t notice there was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to steal his neighbor’s hubcaps.

    Scratch some more…


    Terrence Dickson, of Bristol , Pennsylvania , who was leaving a house he had just burglarized by way of the garage. Unfortunately for Dickson, the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the garage door to open. Worse, he couldn’t re-enter the house because the door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it shut. Forced to sit for eight, count ’em, EIGHT days and survive on a case of Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner’s insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish. Amazingly, the jury said the insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish. We should all have this kind of anguish Keep scratching. There are more…

    Double hand scratching after this one..


    Jerry Williams, of Little Rock, Arkansas, garnered 4th Place in the Stella’s when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after being bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor’s beagle – even though the beagle was on a chain in its owner’s fenced yard. Williams did not get as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might have been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had climbed over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a pellet gun.

    Pick a new spot to scratch, you’re getting a bald spot..


    Amber Carson of Lancaster, Pennsylvania because a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her $113,500 after she slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tailbone. The reason the soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an argument. What ever happened to people being responsible for their own actions?

    Only two more so ease up on the scratching…


    Kara Walton, of Claymont , Delaware sued the owner of a night club in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the floor, knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000….oh, yeah, plus dental expenses. Go figure.

    Ok. Here we go!!

    This year’s runaway First Place Stella Award winner was: Mrs. Merv Grazinski, of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, who purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home. On her first trip home, from an OU football game, having driven on to the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver’s seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the motor home left the freeway, crashed and overturned. Also not surprisingly, Mrs. Grazinski sued Winnebago for not putting in the owner’s manual that she couldn’t actually leave the driver’s seat while the cruise control was set. The Oklahoma jury awarded her, are you sitting down?
    $1,750,000 PLUS a new motor home. Winnebago actually changed their manuals as a result of this suit, just in case Mrs. Grazinski has any relatives who might also buy a motor home.

    A friend sent me this. 🙂

  112. This latest movement had better be nipped in the bud- Otherwise these anarchists
    will be gaining a foothold in America for terrorizing the country- Read who these ‘innocent’ people are they will be hiding behind- Just as they did when this protest began-

    Next ‘Occupy’ targets: foreclosed homes, vacant lots across 25 cities

    Occupy’ protesters and housing rights activists are planning to help families resist eviction from foreclosed homes and take control of vacant properties in some 25 U.S. cities on Tuesday, an effort aimed at focusing attention on the ongoing housing crisis and giving the movement a new focus after the dismantling of many of its encampments.

    The protesters have been crafting proposals – often quietly to prevent police from learning about their intentions beforehand — to defend families facing eviction or return others home. In Minneapolis, for example, they plan to help a Vietnam War veteran stay in his home, in New York, protesters will try to help a family get back into their house, and in Chicago, two sisters and their seven children will be moved into an abandoned single-family home, activists said.

    “It’s part of a national day of action that we hope will kick off a wave of defenses and home re-occupations,” Max Berger, 26, told the Occupy Wall Street General Assembly late Thursday while requesting $6,400 in funding to buy tools for the project. “This is not just about one event; this is a huge frontier for us. We can do these kinds of actions all the time, and we should. And it doesn’t have to be just us. We got to do this one right so we can inspire people to do it theirselves.”

    ‘Occupy’ protesters already have been squatting in vacant houses in cities like New York, Seattle, Portland, Oakland and London, where protesters have taken over an abandoned office block bought by UBS several years ago and dubbed it the “Bank of Ideas.” They also have made scattered efforts – some of them successful — to help families facing eviction defend their homes, including in California and Minneapolis.

    One of those efforts is “Occupy 477,” where protesters joined families facing eviction from a West Harlem building and restored heat and water to the building, activists said.

    Housing rights groups and ‘Occupy’ encampments have long been in talks about a national day of action, with regular conference calls involving dozens of activists, said Rob Robinson of Take Back the Land, a national network of organizations focused on housing rights and securing community control over land.

    “As part of the 99 percent, we feel like corporations, big banks, are what’s holding us back, what’s keeping us impoverished. This is folks’ way of fighting back against those institutions,” Robinson said.

    Banks are expected to repossess some 800,000 homes this year, down from more than 1 million last year, said RealtyTrac CEO James Saccacio. But the number of U.S. homes that received a first-time default notice during the July to September quarter increased 14 percent compared to the second quarter of the year, according to the firm.

    Massachusetts AG sues five banks over foreclosures

    The increase is a sign that banks are now moving more aggressively against borrowers who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments following industrywide foreclosure processing problems that emerged last fall. Those problems resulted in a sharp drop in foreclosure activity early this year.

    The “ultimate message” of the anti-foreclosure protests is “bank reform,” said Anthony Newby, a community organizer with Neighborhoods Organizing for Change in Minneapolis.

    The focus on the housing crisis could also give some new direction to the Occupy movement, which has faced evictions from their camps across the country.

    “In some ways, it’s a natural progression for lots of reasons for this whole Occupy movement to get away from the plaza and actually start doing things on Main Street … that are affecting individual people’s lives in a very direct way,” Newby said.

    There also are some practical reasons for more scattered occupations.

    Adam Carolla calls OWS protesters ‘self-entitled monsters’

    A group of “Occupy” protesters in Minneapolis is looking for an empty building that they can take over for their winter encampment after authorities attemped to evict them from their current headquarters three times in the last 36 hours, said Nick Espinosa, a 25-year-old unemployed social worker and protester.

    “We’re really looking right now to take a vacant space that … we could use for an occupation,” he said, noting they would be scouting properties later Friday. “Ideally it would be a space where we could do both (help a family keep their home and occupy) to keep the message really sharp about why we’re doing this and about homelessness and people who don’t have homes as a result of the foreclosure crisis.

    “But, you know, at the end of the day, we do need some sort of a space here where we can meet and continue to organize and … grow and build our community here through the winter.”

    At Occupy Wall Street, Berger noted that protesters had been frequently asked when they would begin engaging in politics, to which he said: “We are.”

    “The great thing about housing is it’s macro and it’s micro,” he said. “People don’t understand a thing about proprietary trading … but they know they have a mortgage that they’re behind on.”

    “This movement is about taking back this country for regular people and that’s exactly what we’re doing with these actions,” he later added. “We’re not going to let the power of the banks keep people from having what they need.”

  113. Shorts from Bill’s PBS interview:

    Bill’s money quote about Gingrich from his interview with Judy Woodruff… Gingrich has a “real feel for Foreign Policy” and is working hard on domestic policy…

    The surprise opinion, to me anyway, was Mark Shields’ prediction, “if Newt is the nominee, Obama will coast to re-election”… FWIW- I don’t think I can agree with their expert opinion. I feel the suffering sacrificing public is “that” sick and tired of the Obama presidency, and it will be an ‘ABO’ election!


    Compliments and quotes from the panel hosted by Jim Lehrer with David Brooks and Mark Shields. comments on Bill Clinton:

    endlessly interesting- great second act at 67% approval- the power of crystallization-

  114. Gingrich says he WILL win the nomination. Where have we heard that before? Didn’t Obama say the same thing in 2008 as if he knew “by hook of crook” he was assured of winning. Does Gingrich have some kind of “assurance” especially since he may be the one BO wants to run against? The media, so far, seem to be annointing him.

  115. WHAT THE….

    Issa says Holder ouster is up to White House

    Rep. Darrell Issa, who has been investigating the Fast and Furious operation for nearly a year, declined on Friday to call for Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to resign over the botched undercover probe that led to hundreds of weapons being “walked” to gun smugglers in Mexico.

    Mr. Issa, California Republican, said the operation is not about Mr. Holder or Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, both of whom he has criticized strongly over their handling of the failed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive’s (ATF) investigation.

    “It is not about one person,” said Mr. Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, during a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

    “It is about a failure that seems to be pervasive within Justice that investigations play fast and loose with the expectations of what is right or wrong when it comes to what I am going to call collateral damage,” he said.

    In addition to as many as 1,400 weapons that found their way into Mexico, other guns — including AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles — have been found at crimes scenes, including two at the site of the shooting death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry, killed during a gunfight with Mexicans just north of the border near Nogales, Ariz.

    Mr. Issa said Fast and Furious was not the first federal investigation in which “bad people are allowed to continue to do bad things in the name of going after bad people.” He said he was not joining dozens of Republican congressmen in calling for Mr. Holder’s resignation in part because his committee had not “reached all the conclusions that are appropriate in this investigation.”

    “(Mr. Holder) did not order this operation,” Mr. Issa said. “He didn’t demand they do something this stupid.” He said Mr. Holder should fix the problem and it was up to the White House to decide whether the attorney general should go.

    Mr. Issa said congressional investigators had established that Fast and Furious was a “dumb program” and were now looking into a suspected “coverup” and also trying make sure a similar operation never happens again.

    He said ATF needs to be reorganized and, perhaps, the agency should be “molded into the FBI” as special unit. He said that out of “frustration” he was getting close to saying, “We may have to do that.” He said one of the problems with Fast and Furious was that a number of law enforcement agencies were involved and no one was accountable.

  116. I wonder if the rest of these stories are as distorted and misleading as the one about the spilled coffee. Should coffee be served hot enough to make burns that send you to the hospital?

    MacDonalds was sued several times for such burns. Iirc, in at least one case, they were serving the coffee in cups that were not rated for such temperatures. (Hint: a thin waxed cup will soften and collapse with too much heat….)

  117. “Obama had promised it to her in a deal to gain Teddy’s support.”


    “in return for Teddy’s support”


    The problem is the specific “it”, meaning Hillary’s Senate seat. At the time Teddy gave support to Obama, there was no certainty that Hillary’s seat would come vacant. Teddy and Caroline might have given their support in return for SOME UNSPECIFIED prestigious job that would turn up in future (an ambassadorship is customary), but not that specific job.

  118. Apparently last year Cain made something like $150,000 PER MONTH. I think he could spare $500 a month to help a friend, without upsetting his wife.

    Getting to something more relevant, see the second quoted paragraph below about how his own income would benefit from his 999 plan.
    Herman Cain made between $1.2 million and $2.4 million from 2010 to August 2011, according to a review of his federal financial disclosure filing.
    At this income level, and with so much of Cain’s money wrapped up in the stock market, if his 9-9-9 plan were to go into effect, he would stand to greatly benefit. Cain’s plan would reduce the income tax rate to 9% and eliminate the capital gains and estate taxes. Under the current tax system, those at Cain’s income level pay a significantly higher share of taxes than is proposed under his plan.

  119. I hope these monsters burn in…

    Al Qaeda: We’ve Kidnapped a Jew

    Friday, December 2, 2011

    Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri claims that his terror network has kidnapped a Jewish American aid worker in Pakistan.

    According to an audio recording released on Islamist websites, terrorists captured Warren Weinstein, a 70-year-old development expert, from his Lahore home in August.

    “I tell the captive soldiers of Al Qaeda and the Taliban and our female prisoners held in the prisons of the crusaders and their collaborators, we have not forgotten you and in order to free you we have taken hostage the Jewish American Warren Weinstein,” al-Zawahiri said in the 30-minute tape, demanding the release of high-profile terrorists as ransom.

    “Your problem is not with us but with [President Barack] Obama. We have raised fair demands… So continue to pressure [him], if you want your relative to be handed back,” he added, addressing Weinstein’s family.

    The State Department acknowledged that it’s aware of the crisis and is in contact with Weinstein’s family in the U.S.

    “The United States condemns kidnappings of any kind and we call for the immediate release of the individual and the prosecution of those responsible,” said spokeswoman Joanne Moore.

    Those who know Weinstein in Pakistan are stunned over his kidnapping.

    “I am really shocked to hear,” said Ehtesham Ullah Khan, a local gemologist. “He was a very nice person and, to me, he made many friends as compared to no enemies.”

    Weinstein was reportedly working in the country’s northern tribal regions to enhance its fledgling gem and dairy industries before he was captured.

    “He helped the university in the establishment of dairy facilities, negotiating with colleagues in the Netherlands,” said Dr. Muhammad Abdullah, chair of livestock at the University of Veterinary and Animal Sciences in Lahore. “We had quite a professional interaction with him.”

  120. Mrs. Smith
    December 2nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    WHAT THE….

    Issa says Holder ouster is up to White House
    The parties are making nice.

  121. How many days holiday do you get at Xmas……apparently its 17

    It must be nice being President… Obama to jet off to Hawaii for SEVENTEEN DAY Christmas vacation

    Read more:

    While most Americans are lucky to get a few weeks of holiday every year, it seems the country’s leader gets a little more freedom in the matter.

    President Barack Obama has announced his Christmas vacation to Hawaii – for a staggering 17-day trip.

    Obama, who visited the island just two weeks ago for an economic summit, will head to Honolulu on Saturday December 17 until Monday January 2.


    Disgusted is not the word.

  122. I suspect Issa is doing the “this is your chance to get rid of him” before he drops the big shoes. If the WH don’t can him, he’s gonna take Obama to the cleaners. Issa is basically putting the ball in Obama’s court.

  123. JanH
    December 3rd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    I hope these monsters burn in…

    Al Qaeda: We’ve Kidnapped a Jew

    Outrageous! Send the cowards to Paradise!

  124. moon: “If the WH don’t can him, he’s gonna take Obama to the cleaners”

    Yes, that’s my tentative conclusion too. If O doesn’t get rid of Holder, then O is responsible and has to go. So the ball is, as you say, in O’s court.

  125. FDA Set to Ban Your Supplements

    The FDA has issued a proposed mandate that represents the greatest threat to dietary supplements since 1994. Back in the early 1990s, consumers were so alarmed by FDA bullying that they staged a massive revolt. The result was that Congress passed a law prohibiting the FDA from banning popular nutrients (as the agency had threatened to do).

    There was, however, a loophole in the 1994 law. The FDA was given authority to regulate ingredients introduced after October 15, 1994.

    It has been 17 years, but the FDA just issued draconian proposals as to how it intends to regulate what it now calls “new dietary ingredients”. You can find the FDA Draft Guidance on New Dietary Ingredients (NDI’s) here. If implemented, some of the most effective nutrients you are taking will be removed from the market. This includes many fish oil formulas and natural plant extracts. A detailed analysis of the FDA Draft Guidance is available here.

    These oppressive rules are exactly what the 1994 law (DSHEA) sought to prevent. The FDA is using its authority in direct violation of Congressional intent.

    The pink and blue stuff contain carcinogens- I use liquid stevia, a plant extract, for sweetening my tea. So, now, this will be verboten according to the law?
    Forget it!

  126. I read a similar comment here:

    “He didn’t cave. He just handcuffed Holder to Barack Obama. Impeaching Holder would be a gift to Obama. Issa is taking the opposite approach. He’s making it Obama’s responsibility to remove Holder, and if he doesn’t then it’ll be Obama’s liability for failing to do so as the stink gets worse and worse.”

    I disagree- Obama will ignore the whole thing. These are not normal people with a conscience. It’s a given Obama is a sociopath. Obama will continue on as if nothing happened, nothing is wrong and his administration will act as if Holder is Holder doing his the best he can under the circumstances in this economy.

    They’ve sealed the evidence and sealed the identity of Judge ordering the sealing… The only way you can win with these people is you have to take the Bull By the Horns and put them behind bars anyway you can..

    Remember the saying, ‘All’s Fair in Love and War.. Well, this ain’t Love..

  127. Temporary help is seasonably hired during the holidays.. then let go after the rush for exchanges is over.. the supposed tumble in unemployment numbers is a mirage.. reality returns in February-

    Real Unemployment 11 Percent; Total Unemployment 15.6 Percent

    Quick notes about the “falling” unemployment rate:

    In the last year, the civilian population rose by 1,726,000. Yet the labor force fell by 67,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 1,793,000.

    In November, those “Not in Labor Force” rose by a whopping 487,000. If you are not in the labor force, you are not counted as unemployed.

    Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

    Jobs Report at a Glance

    Here is an overview of November Jobs Report, today’s release.

    US Payrolls +120,000
    US Unemployment Rate Declined .4 to 8.6%
    Civilian labor force fell by 315,000
    Those Not in Labor Force rose by 487,000
    Participation Rate fell .2 percentage points to 64.0%, nearly matching a low last seen in 1984
    Actual number of Employed (by Household Survey) rose by 278,000
    Unemployment fell by 594,000
    Civilian population rose by 172,000
    Average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls was unchanged at 34.3 hours for the second consecutive month.
    The average workweek for production and nonsupervisory employees on private nonfarm payrolls edged down 0.1 hour to 33.6 hours in November.
    Average hourly earnings for all employees in the private sector fell by 2 cents to $23.18
    Government employment decreased by 20,000
    The private sector has only recovered 33 percent of jobs lost in the peak-to-trough period of January 2008 to February 2010.

    Recall that the unemployment rate varies in accordance with the Household Survey not the reported headline jobs number, and not in accordance with the weekly claims data.

    For the second month the labor force rose. This is a welcome sign. However, were it not for people dropping out of the labor force for the past two years, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

    November 2011 Jobs Report

    Please consider the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) November 2011 Employment Report.

    The unemployment rate fell by 0.4 percentage point to 8.6 percent in November, and nonfarm payroll employment rose by 120,000, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment continued to trend up in retail trade, leisure and hospitality, professional and business services, and health care. Government employment continued to trend down.;_total_unemployment_156_percent

  128. Temporary help is seasonably hired during the holidays.
    A-n-d record-breaking warmth in the month of November has considerably delayed ski resort winter activities in my area … although the local “news” does not have it on their reporting radar. Anyway, it looks like cold weather is imminent; making snow will soon become feasible, and help for the ski resorts must be hired. So the ski workers probably swelled the temp ranks much later in the season than they normally do.

  129. Our slopes opened early, and you are right about the figures. Figures Lie, and Liers Figure. However, he is busy trying to make the case we are in the beginning of a recovery with such fraudulent information. But then that is how he got elected.

    Fooled one time shame on you, fooled a second time shame on me.

  130. Clinton Moves to Inject New Urgency into Bioweapon Concerns at Geneva Event

    Friday, Dec. 2, 2011
    By Elaine M. Grossman
    Global Security Newswire

    WASHINGTON — In a surprise announcement, a senior State Department official said on Thursday that Hillary Clinton would appear next week at an international conference on biological warfare prevention and preparedness — an event that even policy wonks had previously grumbled would likely prove dull and inconsequential (see GSN, Aug. 2).

    The U.S. secretary of State’s address — tentatively slated for Dec. 7 — to the Biological Weapons Convention five-year review conference in Geneva would mark the first time that such a high-level official has represented Washington at a BWC forum, according to Thomas Countryman, assistant secretary of State for international security and nonproliferation.

    Speaking at a Thursday press conference, he said Clinton would offer “specific proposals” in three areas: increasing world capacity to detect and respond to disease outbreaks; working with the scientific and industrial communities to ensure that life-science technologies and materials are not misused; and “strengthening the implementation” of the 1975 agreement.

    Issue experts said Clinton’s brief presence at the Switzerland venue would draw substantial public attention to otherwise relatively modest efforts to counter biological threats. Earlier prognostications were that the 14-day BWC review conference, which begins on Monday, would play out with barely any notice on the world stage.

    “It’s a shock,” Barry Kellman, head of the International Weapons Control Center at DePaul University’s College of Law in Chicago, said after learning of the announcement. “I hope what she puts on the table is worthy of her appearance.”

    Amy Smithson, a senior fellow at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Washington, sounded a similar note.

    Clinton’s upcoming appearance “is a most welcome indication of high-level political attention being paid to the bioweapons ban,” she said in an e-mail response to questions on Thursday. “But the proof will be in whether she introduces significant new proposals to strengthen the treaty’s compliance provisions or continues a regrettable, multiyear trend of more rhetoric about the severity of the bioweapons problem than action to reduce that threat.”…

  131. PBS Transcript

    JEFFREY BROWN: Now, to our interview with former President Bill Clinton.

    Judy Woodruff sat down with him in Washington earlier this afternoon, discussing his new book, “Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy.”

    JUDY WOODRUFF: President Bill Clinton, thank you very much for talking with us.


    JUDY WOODRUFF: So your book, “Back to Work,” is about jobs, it’s about how to get the economy going. Let me ask you about today’s numbers for the month of November — unemployment numbers. The picture is improving a little bit. What does the jobs scene look like to you?

    BILL CLINTON: Well, I think what you’re seeing is, the economy got way down with the double whammy of the financial collapse and the mortgage crisis, and the natural rhythms of the American economy, plus the benefit of the payroll tax cuts, which I do think helped a lot to maintain a certain level of consumer spending, a certain level of confidence. And small businesses have been saying for months, about 40 percent of them, they would have hired more people if they could get credit — and you just felt this building up. So I feel good about it.

    Now, also what’s happening is more jobs are created in the private sector and the government sector has been shrinking steadily as the stimulus plays out. And all these states are on balanced budgets and they’re still in trouble because the economy is still down, so their revenues are down. So we actually had 140,000 new private sector jobs and lost 20,000 government jobs.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: Now, one of the things you talk about in the book is something that you highlighted today with President Obama, and that is retrofitting or making buildings more energy-efficient, and in the process creating, I guess, tens of thousands of construction jobs. President Clinton, that’s an area that clearly was hard hit. But this kind of project is short-term, isn’t it?

    BILL CLINTON: Not if we do as much as we should. That is, this is the nearest thing that America’s got to a free lunch. That is, you can – if you can set up a financing mechanism where you let the people who own the building – whether they’re schools, state, county or local buildings, federal buildings, museums, hospitals or big commercial buildings like the one the president and I visited today — with no debt — if you can set it up so they can pay that money back only from their utility savings, then you can create jobs and there’s no net out-of-pocket cost to the people who own the buildings. And when the debt’s paid off, they have a huge drop in their utility bills.

    It’s the nearest thing we got to a free lunch. And the return is very high. For every billion dollars you spend on building retrofits, you get between 7,000 and 8,000 jobs.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: One of the central theses — thesis — the central thesis of the book is that you can’t really grow the economy unless the government’s involved. This project today, private-public partnership — is — was it your sense that this message was just not getting across from President Obama and his administration —


    JUDY WOODRUFF: — that you needed to write about it?

    BILL CLINTON: I think — my sense was that he was — as you see from the book, I agree with the general thrust of his polices. And I think, particularly in the energy area, he’s done a very good job. My sense was that the partisan political climate in Washington was such that the only people listening to either side were people that already agreed with them.

    And so what I wanted to do was say, look at the last 30 years. Look what our competitors are doing. There is no example on the planet of a successful economy with broadly shared prosperity and a shrinking, weak government. You can have a small, lean government. But they’re all strong. They’re all working in partnership. What works are these partnerships, these networks.

    For example, Delaware’s doing a lot of building retrofits now because the government of Delaware issued a bond and sold it, which will pay the contractors a guaranteed return. And then the — the government will receive re-payments from the people who own the buildings from their savings and pay bond holders off. So that’s the kind of thing — that — that’s not big government, small government; not liberal or conservative; it puts people to work. It creates jobs. It’s the kind of thing that we ought to be doing.

    And we can create — I think for three years you could have a million more people in the construction industry employed just doing this if we can work the financing out everywhere. That’s why the AFL-CIO has already raised more than a billion dollars from pension funds to put into this. They can get a more reliable return from this than they could investing their pension funds through the stock market.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: And is that a message that’s received well on both sides of the political aisle?

    BILL CLINTON: Well, I don’t know. I hope so, because there’s no tax dollars involved — that is, you don’t have to appropriate or raise taxes. And as I said, it’s pretty close to a free lunch because the utilities benefit too. That is, this building, this big, 1964-office building is being retrofitted. They’re going to cut their energy use between 40 percent and 50 percent. That’s like giving a tiny power plant back to the local utility. And for that amount of energy, it’s a lot of cheaper to get it that way than to build a new power plant. You just give it back to them and they accommodate more growth in the area.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: So is this — again, this central message here that government needs to be involved to get the economy growing?


    JUDY WOODRUFF: Is that a message that people are hearing and accepting, do you think?

    BILL CLINTON: I have no idea. I just thought that — in the 2010 elections, I thought it was people were angry and frustrated and scared, and I think the Republicans won because they thought the Democrats had given them a lot of government and maybe a little too much, and people didn’t feel better.

    But these things, historically — these financial meltdowns take five or 10 years to get over. When real estate’s involved, it’s closer to 10. And what the president is trying to do is to beat the five-year limit. He’s trying to — but nobody could get it done by 2010.

    So I thought, well, I’m not running for anything anymore. I work with Republicans. I get a lot of support from Republicans through my foundation work, and people around the world. So I just tried to lay out, here’s what’s happening in the rest of the world; here’s the people who are doing it better than us. Every one of them has a — a government that is not under assault but is in partnership with the private sector.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: How much of a drag is unemployment and the economy broadly going to be on President Obama as he runs for re-election, do you think?

    BILL CLINTON: I think — well, I think he’ll be re-elected, because I think the unemployment rate will continue to drop some. I think that, as we all know, it’s a little understated because about 6 percent of the people who were in the workforce in 2000 have dropped out; they’ve quit looking for jobs. And we know there’s a huge number of Americans with part-time jobs who really want full-time jobs. But it does show progress, and it shows progress in the private sector.

    So if we can continue this, I don’t think it’ll be a big drag because the American people are kind of recalibrating. And when — right now, President Obama is going to have to run against himself. In tough times, nobody can defeat himself. That is, you’re — he’s running against everything everybody felt when — before the financial crash. When we get a choice, I think he’ll do fine.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: And I ask because people say, yes, he’s been out there talking about the economy, but the message isn’t being heard — that people are so concerned and focused on how bad things are.

    BILL CLINTON: Well, a lot of people, they can’t hear things because they’re scared, they’re worried. I had two women come through a book line in Orlando, which is one of my success stories I feature in there. I talk about all the government-private cooperation there and why they have a hundred — a hundred computer-simulation companies in Orlando alone.

    And anyway, these two women, one of them said, my husband’s been out of work six months; I hope you have some good advice. And she was clearly in her fifties somewhere.

    Next lady comes through about two people later. Same age. My — I’m here because my husband — because I sent him home to bed because he was out of work for eight months, and his first day on his new job is tomorrow.

    That’s what’s going on in America. So it’s hard to get rational discourse through. And I wanted to just say, here’s a short book that’ll tell you about the last 30 years, where we are and how to get out of it.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: More on politics. How do you size up the Republican race right now? And who’s the toughest person for President Obama to face?

    BILL CLINTON: It’s hard to say now. I’m not all that surprised by Gingrich’s resurgence. I predicted it after he crashed, because the far right of the party keeps wanting an alternative to Gov. Romney, for all kinds of reasons. And he keeps doing well in the debate trying to hold on. And — and in a primary where the party moves so far to the right — as Joe Klein famously said, they all have to empretzel themselves to try to be acceptable. And so – and now it looks like a Gingrich/Romney race.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t look like that at Iowa caucus time. But how it comes out depends upon now how Mr. Gingrich conducts himself from now until — through the process, and how Romney responds to the challenge. It’s going to be interesting to watch, but I don’t know enough about their calendar or how much electability is going to figure in to the Republican caucus and primary voters to know.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, you worked with opposite sides of the political aisle, but worked with Newt Gingrich. He’s actually been saying nice things about how willing you were to work with Republicans when you were president. You’ve said some nice things about him, a man of ideas; what sort of president do you think he would be?

    BILL CLINTON: It depends upon the turn his life has taken since he left public life. That is, I always liked working with him. And he had a real good feel for foreign policy when I was president. And he generally wanted to do what was best for America and what would advance the cause of freedom and shared prosperity in the world, even though I thought a lot of his domestic ideas were wrong and bad for the country.

    That’s why I vetoed those budgets, and that’s what led to the government shutdown. But the thing that bothered — I saw where Mr. (inaudible) jumped on him today — the former congressman from Staten Island. What made people nervous the first time was the same thing that made them nervous about Mr. DeLay. They said — they thought they’d go overboard in the use of their authority. And a big part of being a good president is not just what you do, but what you won’t do.

    So, on the other hand, when Hillary was a senator from New York and on the Armed Services Committee, she and Newt worked together on the military modernization committee the Pentagon set up. And they enjoyed working together — she enjoyed it.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: So you —

    BILL CLINTON: So we — he — the pressure of the campaign has a wonderful way of revealing your strengths and weaknesses. And we just need to let the Republicans have their race and see how it rolls out. I have no idea what’s going to happen.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: And his strengths and weaknesses? You said, good on foreign policy.

    BILL CLINTON: He’s good on foreign policy. He has — he’s thinking all the time on domestic policy; like, I think that if you’re going to be a Republican in 2012, where he came down on immigration is about as far as you could go. But he’s got to know that one of the advantages America has, even with the retirement of the baby boomers, is that our average workforce is still younger than Europe or Japan.

    And within a couple of decades, believe it or not, because of the “One China Policy,” it’ll be younger than China’s. And that means immigrants flowing into this country who can contribute to the economy. So that’s the kind of thing I wanted to see. Let’s just watch it play out and see what happens.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: Of course, it was Newt Gingrich who led the Republicans when the House of Representatives impeached —


    JUDY WOODRUFF: — you as president. And it was discovered later that while Speaker Gingrich was doing that, he was engaged in an extramarital affair. Some say this is — this was hypocrisy on his part. How do you see that?

    BILL CLINTON: That’s up to the Republicans to decide. But I think — I’ll never forget the conversation he had with my then-chief of staff, Erskine Bowles, after we won the midterm elections in ’98. They outspent us $100 million. And they ran on impeachment and we ran on issues. We ran on saying what we wanted to do for America, we — all the Democrats. And the prevailing opinion of the press was, we would lose 25 to 35 seats in the House, four to six seats in the Senate. We lost no Senate seats, even though we had twice as many in play, and we won five House seats.

    And so Newt called Erskine and said, you know, this is an unbelievable, historic achievement. He said, I think you got to go back to 1822 since the president won seats in the House in the sixth year. It’s stunning. But he said, you’ll never get credit for it because we got the press to say we were right. So they’ll never tell you how important this is. And we’re going to impeach him anyway.

    And Erskine said, but Newt, there’s 50 of your members in our fort. He said, I know. We’ll break them off. He said, by the time we get through taking their chairmanships and their subcommittee chairmanships and getting the primary — (inaudible) — and all that. And he says, but when are you going to do it? Don’t you think it’s hypocritical? He said, sure. What’s that got to do with it? And that’s what I was saying to you — and I still kept working with him, because I knew they weren’t going to pass in the Senate, not if the GOP’s going to do it.

    He thought — that he said — that’ll be the first line in his obituary, and that’s what he gets for beating us twice. That’s basically their attitude. You can’t do that when you’re president. You can play politics as speaker of the House if you want. When you’re president, you’ve got — the Democrats got to feel good when they walk in the door if you’re a Republican; if you’re a Republican — if you’re a Democrat, the Republican has to feel like you’re listening. And you should be listening.

    And so that’s going to be the challenge that he faces. That’s what Molinari was trying to get at. That – but, you know, he’s older now. He’s been through a lot of things. He may be a different person. And I still enjoyed working with him when we were working together, and we did a lot of good things together.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: President Clinton, we’re talking about politics and about your new book, “Back to Work.” Thank you very much.

    BILL CLINTON: Thank you, Judy.

    JUDY WOODRUFF: Good to see you.

    BILL CLINTON: Thanks.

  132. jes. good one.
    FoxNews livestreaming Herman Cain announcement scheduled for between 11 & 1 o’clock.

  133. I knew he would, he had no other option, iwas not sure about the first load of crap but this last thing about Ginger White looked like the knife, did he really expect it not to come out or so naive that it would not be used against him.

  134. Cain may be overestimating his ability to draw media attention once he’s no longer a candidate.

    He’ll be fish wrapping paper tomorrow.

  135. lol….

    Twitter : Attention, any remaining women with new allegations about Cain: the window has officially closed.

  136. never let it be said we are not on top of our news, we get covered from all corners of the globe 24 hours, i’m 7 hrs ahead, so i try and post a lot of interesting stuff before you wake up.

  137. mop is the early bird!
    My ‘secret’ is twitter from which I culled this:

    Cain suspends campaign, vows to work from outside the race
    …Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a fellow Georgian, tweeted praise for Cain.
    “I am proud to know Herman Cain and consider him a friend and I know he will continue to be a powerful voice for years to come,” Gingrich said. “Herman Cain’s 999 plan got our country talking about the critical issue of tax reform and he elevated the dialogue of the primary.”
    “Herman Cain provided an important voice to this process,” Rep. Michele Bachmann said in a statement. “His ideas and energy generated tremendous enthusiasm for the conservative movement at a time it was so desperately needed to restore confidence in our country.”
    From Texas Gov. Rick Perry: “I know this was a difficult decision for Herman Cain, his family and his supporters. He helped invigorate conservative voters and our nation with a discussion of major tax reform.”
    And former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman said, “Herman Cain offered a unique and valuable voice to the debate over how to reform our country’s uncompetitive tax code and turn around the economy…..”

    I don’t think Mitt had any response listed in this article. 😉

  138. TRUMP to host Republican debate Dec 27:

    Real estate mogul Donald Trump will host a debate for Republican presidential candidates in Iowa just days before the state’s Jan. 3 caucuses.

    Trump spokesman Michael Cohen confirmed the details of a New York Times report to NBC News: Trump, the star of the reality show “The Apprentice,” will moderate a debate on Dec. 27 in Des Moines, Iowa. The debate is being sponsored by the conservative magazine Newsmax.

  139. Canada May Save $6.7B by Exiting Kyoto Pact

    Canada, the country furthest from meeting its commitment to cut carbon emissions under the Kyoto Protocol, may save as much as $6.7 billion by exiting the global climate change agreement and not paying for offset credits.

    The country’s greenhouse-gas emissions are almost a third higher than 1990 levels, and it has a 6 percent CO2 reduction target for the end of 2012. If it couldn’t meet its goal, Canada would have to buy carbon credits, under the rules of the legally binding treaty.

    Canada, which has the world’s third-largest proven oil reserves, would be the first of 191 signatories to the Kyoto Protocol to annul its emission-reduction obligations. While Environment Minister Peter Kent declined to confirm Nov. 28 that Canada is preparing to pull out of Kyoto, which may ease the burden for oil-sands producers and coal-burning utilities, he said the government wouldn’t make further commitments to it.

    “Canada is the only country in the world saying it won’t honor Kyoto,” said Keith Stewart, an energy and climate policy analyst for Greenpeace in Toronto. Under a previous Liberal government, Canada was one of the first countries to sign Kyoto in 1998. The current Conservative government made a non-binding commitment at 2009 United Nations talks in Copenhagen to reduce emissions by 17 percent by 2020 from 2005 levels, in line with a pledge by the U.S., its biggest trading partner.

    The biggest polluters in the nation of 34 million say they’ll cut emissions without a treaty. “Kyoto no longer works,” said Rick George, chief executive officer of Suncor Energy Inc. (SU), Canada’s largest oil producer. “Whatever happens with Kyoto won’t change our direction” of reducing the environmental impact of oil production, he said.

    more at link:

  140. Sad about Cain…especially if he had no affair. Sad for his wife either way.

    Who does this help the most…the Other (half) black man in the race.

    Now Barry can toss out the race card like business cards and he can bring out the hood rage against all candidates.

    I hope all media get to the bottom of these attacks against Cain…we smell so many rats!

  141. I’m just throwing this in for fun:
    How about 3rd party Cain/Palin – they could almost use the 2008 campaign stuff – just black out the Mc.

  142. A Cain/Palin 3rd party would most certainly result in Obama’s re-election, it would syphon off so much republican vote and not dent the Dem vote.

  143. Jan ,
    This is for you and I’m curious your take on Hillary’s part in any of this.

    Is Obama’s US No Longer Israel’s Ally?

    Panetta, Obama’s Sec’y of Defense, Attacks Israel with Vicious/Ugly Lies and Demands

    Leon Panetta, President Obama’s Secretary of Defense, attacked Israel with vicious and ugly lies and absurd demands on Friday, December 2, 2011. In response to a question from Mr. Ken Pollack, who asked, “what steps should Israel take now?,” Panetta answered, “Just get (Israel) to the damn table, just get to the table.”

    ZOA President Morton A. Klein said, “But this promotes the damnable lie that Israel refuses to negotiate –when, in fact, Israel has been pleading and begging Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority to negotiate for the last two plus years, to no avail. In fact, only yesterday the Palestinian Authority repeated its opposition to holding direct peace talks with Israel. It’s the Palestinians who not only refuse to come to the `damn table,’ they openly circumvent negotiations by going to the UN to unilaterally have a Palestinian state declared, violating their signed Oslo agreements with Israel which states that no unilateral steps of that nature is permitted without Israel’s approval.

    “The PA refuses to negotiate even though Prime Minister Netanyahu has openly supported the establishment of a negotiated Palestinian state and even though Prime Minister Netanyahu offered and fulfilled a one-sided 10-month freeze on Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria, while the PA continued to build there.

    “Why has Panetta not told the truth about the PA refusing to negotiate while lying that Israel is refusing to negotiate when in fact Israel is pleading to negotiate? And why has Panetta said nothing about the real obstacles to peace? This includes the PA refusing to end incitement to hatred and violence against Israel in their schools, media, speeches and sermons; glorifying Jew-killing terrorists by naming schools, streets, and sports teams after them; glorifying Jew-killing terrorists by holding day-long commemorative ceremonies when they die; refusing to arrest terrorists; and refusing to accept Israel as a Jewish state.

    Panetta also said, “It’s in Israel’s interest to strengthen it (the Palestinian Authority.) …Now is the time for Israel to take bold action. It will involve risks.”

    ZOA’s Klein responds: “Panetta acts as though the PA’s not being strong enough is an issue, ignoring the fact that they’ve formed an alliance with Hamas and have received billions of dollars in aid form the USA and Europe – not to mention receiving regular training of its armed forces by the US military. And why is Panetta talking about Israel needing to take bold action? Israel has done so! It has already given the Palestinian Authority all of Gaza, almost half of Judea & Samaria (West Bank), offered 98% of Judea & Samaria, parts of Jerusalem and statehood in return for peace only to be met with rejection, terrorism, murder and missiles. Israel has taken huge risks, –yet Panetta punishes Israel by demanding more –while asking nothing of the Palestinians.

    “The ZOA is now questioning whether the U.S. can still call itself an ally of Israel, when it’s repeatedly acting as the Palestinian Authority’s and the Islamists’ lawyer.”

    Panetta also said, “Israel needs to take risks …and has a responsibility to pursue our shared goals to build regional support for Israel and the U.S. security objectives. …Israel can reach out and mend fences with those who share an interest in regional stability –like Turkey and Egypt. …This is an important time to be able to develop and restore those key relationships in this critical area. …If Israel’s gestures are rebuked, the world will see these rebukes for what they are, that is exactly why Israel should pursue them.”

    ZOA’s Klein responds, “Again Panetta only asks Israel to take more risks while the PA has done nothing to show any interest in peace, which Panetta ignores.

    “He ignores the fact that the Palestinian Authority’s Abbas in his recent UN speech referred to Israel’s 63-year old “occupation,” meaning all of Israel belongs to the Palestinians; he ignores the fact that a May 16, 2011 New York Times op-ed by Abbas states that even after the Palestinian Authority achieves a state, the Palestinian Authority attacks against Israel will continue in the UN, human rights bodies, and the International Court of Justice; he ignores the fact every Palestinian Authority map in its government, schools, and media shall shows all of Israel as Palestine.

    “He then asks Israel to build regional support – ignoring the fact that Egypt and Turkey themselves have moved away from Israel and the U.S. by becoming Jew-hating extremist Islamist governments.

    “Where is Panetta’s condemnation of Egypt and Turkey and demands on Egypt and Turkey? Panetta falsely claims Egypt and Turkey want regional stability when all their actions indicate otherwise! Contrary to Panetta’s claims, the world has already seen Israel make extraordinary concrete gestures to the Palestinian Authority and the Arab world and Lebanon and Turkey — Israel only came away with increased danger and isolation. The world has given Israel no credit for its bold gestures and only condemned Israel more and isolated Israel more, and demanded more of Israel. Mr. Panetta, that includes the Obama administration.”

    “The Obama administration has now made it clearer than ever that they irrationally and even antagonistically believe Israel is the reason there’s no peace. The U.S. does not believe it is not the fault of the Palestinian Arabs and the extremist Islamists in Fatah, Hamas, Turkey, Egypt and Lebanon. The Obama administration even blames Israel for these Islamists becoming more extreme and intransigent. Yet Panetta/ Obama foolishly and antagonistically believe that this is the time for Israel to weaken itself by making more concessions to the Fatah/ Hamas regime!”

    “The U.S. is not holding these regimes accountable and is sending a message that these regimes can continue with their anti-peace, pro-terror actions and policies. This is a bad and dangerous policy for Israel. This is a bad and dangerous policy for American and the West.”


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