The Age Of Fake: ‘Occupy Wall Street’ The Gateway Drug to Hopium

Update IV: We’ve got the funniest moment from today.

The class warfare we noted (hint: Jon Stewart) in our last update developed into another kind of class warfare: the OWS mob chants “follow those kids” at children trying to go to school near Wall Street. Yeah, at children. That’s a strange way to influence public opinion to your side.

About 300 arrests thus far and at least two cops in the hospital. A strange way to influence public opinion indeed – even your own supporters are repelled:



Uppity Women are not amused.

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Update III: Think we are kidding or lying when we write Occupy Wall Street is run from 60 Wall Street? If you do think we are wrong in our article (see below, after the updates), check out this Jon Stewart video and you will actually see 60 Wall Street:

It’s all a fake.

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Update II: It’s a fizzle in the drizzle. OWS is retreating to Zoo-cottie Park after failing to do anything other than walk around in circles.

Don’t be distracted by this Obama protection scheme in lower Manhattan. Crony capitalism Solyndra hearings are on C-SPAN Here.

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Update I: Our comments section has livestream video of a CBS helicopter view of the ruckus around Wall Street. We also posted the OWS street view livestream. We also posted what we think is the song of the day.

There is lots of taunting of the police going on. The police also had to step in and push and arrest protestors who tried to block people from getting to their destination (including a woman with a baby in a carriage and a small child beside her).

The OWS livestream is saying that the opening bell at the stock market has been delayed by them. That is a doubtful bit of information. The tactic by OWS Day of Action to disguise themselves in business suits has not worked. We’ll soon see as the markets are set to open in 15 minutes.

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There is no grass that has ever grown on the tree covered concrete and granite block of Manhattan called Zuccotti Park. There is however a lot of fake grassroots astroturf flourishing there.

Astroturf. How else to describe this Obama protection scheme? The real autocratic leaders of Occupy Wall Street make their decisions from the high towers of Wall Street itself, 60 Wall Street to be precise. Yet, there are dupes in Zoo-cotti Park who desperately HOPE they belong to something big, new and shiny. But these dupes are helping something small, old and dirty.

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Tomorrow the cultist dupes of OWS will hold a day of action well designed to annoy and alienate New Yorkers and the nation by potential disruptions of the Brooklyn Bridge and the subways. The Obama allied union bosses will force thousands of their subjects to join the OWS street harassments.

SEIU of Michigan is “planning a Bridge Action Day”. The leaflets proudly distributed state “Support President Obama’s American Jobs Act.” When is a clue a clue?

OWS dupes have long denied that OWS is an Obama protection scheme. But note that the propaganda is not just for “jobs”, or a “jobs plan” but rather a “Support President Obama’s” job plan. Why do this left-handed support of Barack Obama? The New York Times yesterday published an article detailing the lost enthusiasm among students for Barack Obama.:

“I don’t think I could do it anymore,” she said. “That campaign was an amazing experience. But I don’t think I’m in the same mind-set anymore. He hasn’t really addressed the young people, and we helped him to get elected.” [snip]

Mr. Obama’s advisers, while acknowledging the shift, said they were confident that the loss of these workers would be negated by an influx of new students who have turned of voting age since 2008. [snip]

Yet even Mr. Obama’s supporters say it seems unlikely that the president — given the difficulties of these past three years and the mood of the electorate of all ages — will ever be able to replicate the youthful energy that became such a defining hallmark of his campaign.”

The Obama campaign and allies know they cannot survive such damp or nonexistent enthusiasm. How to get more fodder for the machine? How about an astroturf movement as a gateway drug to the eventual Hopium Obama campaign? That’s the ticket.

The distraction of OWS is designed to… distract. Don’t give the rubes and dupes time to discuss the looting of the economy and the stunning silence from the complicit White House on the bonuses at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.



Stunning silence is the goal. Distraction. If Occupy Wall Street was real wouldn’t they protest the White House? If Occupy Wall Street was real wouldn’t there be rage on the street protesting how Wall Street profits are made as top members of congress like Pelosi are trading stock on inside information?



The Stock Act??? You won’t hear about governmental Wall Street corruption at Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Wall Street is a distraction agit prop ploy designed to dupe the willing dupes and protect the crooks and crony capitalists.

You won’t hear protests at Occupy Wall Street as Solyndra looted hundreds of millions from the American taxpayer with the help of Barack Obama. You won’t hear protests at Occupy Wall Street about the new White House emails in which Solyndra executives thought Obama’s energy department cared more about appearances that sound business decisions. Crony capitalism will not be discussed at Occupy Wall Street when the crony capitalists are cronies of corrupt Barack Obama.

You won’t hear about the crony capitalists crooks at Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Wall Street will be busy creeping out New Yorkers and sensible Americans:

“The march on Wall Street is slated to start at 7 a.m.

Other events scheduled for the day include “Occupy the Subways” in all five boroughs at 3 p.m., a takeover of Foley Square at 5 p.m. and another march across the Brooklyn Bridge.”

The mob threats will alienate New Yorkers and sensible Americans but it will be the “gateway drug” to support for Obama next year as the scheme develops. For now, threats and thuggery are on the march:

“Already angry over their eviction from Zuccotti Park, the protesters are planning breakfast, lunch, and dinner protests on Thursday:

The breakfast plan is to “shut down” Wall Street. It’s all expected to start with a rally in Liberty Square starting at 7 a.m. to “put an end to Wall Street’s reign of terror.”

The lunch menu will feature protesters looking to “occupy” the subways in all five boroughs. They plan on gathering at 16 subways stations to take their message to the trains.

And dinner is set up as a takeover of Foley Square, followed by a march to the Brooklyn Bridge. [snip]

While the official movement is planning its day of action, other individuals seem to be making plans of their own.

In a video posted on YouTube after protesters were evicted from Zuccotti Park, a demonstrator in the crowd says “On the 17th, we’re going to burn New York City to the ground.”

Later in the video, he then goes on to say “No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”



No surprise then that the mobs of Occupy Wall Street are losing their support (and much less popular than the Tea Party) much like their inspiration Barack Obama:

“Surprisingly, after two months of Occupiers defiling public spaces across America, voters are suddenly more fond of tea partiers than of occupiers. Even better, Tea Party favorables are up ten points from a month ago among independent voters.

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Wait for the new numbers after tomorrow’s mob tactics take to the subways and bridges of the country. Even at the DailyKooks Hopium den the racist, violent and disgusting Tea Party OWS is turning heads.

Occupy Wall Street is a fake in the Obama Age of Fake. We must not let Occupy Wall Street succeed in its aim of distraction and protection of corrupt Chicago crony Barack Obama. But these fakes have to be called out when necessary.

Occupy Wall Street is a fake located not on in Zoo-cottie Park but in the tower numbered #60 Wall Street:

“On Sunday, October 23, a meeting was held at 60 Wall Street. Six leaders discussed what to do with the half-million dollars that had been donated to their organization, since, in their estimation, the organization was incapable of making sound financial decisions. The proposed solution was not to spend the money educating their co-workers or stimulating more active participation by improving the organization’s structures and tactics. Instead, those present discussed how they could commandeer the $500,000 for their new, more exclusive organization. No, this was not the meeting of any traditional influence on Wall Street. These were six of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street (OWS).

Leaders? We were propagandized that their were no leaders. Apparently inside the Orwellian Machinations of Occupy Wall Street there are indeed leaders looking down from 60 Wall Street at their dupes at Zoo-cottie Park.

The fake narrative of the fake “leaderless movement” is a fake narrative. It’s all one big fake designed to ensnare dupes and those who crave desperately to be part of a movement that fulfills their fantasies and HOPES for CHANGE. It is all a fake.

The leader who attended the meeting at 60 Wall Street clues everyone in but the clueless will remain willing dupes:

“According to Marisa Holmes, one of the most outspoken and influential leaders of OWS, the NYC-GA started receiving donations from around the world when OWS began on September 17. Because the NYC-GA was not an official organization, and therefore could not legally receive thousands of dollars in donations, the nonprofit Alliance for Global Justice helped OWS create Friends of Liberty Plaza, which receives tax-free donations for OWS. Since then, Friends of Liberty Plaza has received over $500,000. Until October 28, anybody who wanted to receive more than $100 from Friends of Liberty Plaza had to go through the often arduous modified consensus process (90% majority) of the NYC-GA—which, despite its well-documented inefficiencies, granted $25,740 to the Media WG for live-stream equipment on October 12, and $1,400 to the Food and Medical WGs for herbal tonics on October 18.

At the teach-in, Ms. Holmes maintained that while the NYC-GA is the “de facto” mechanism for distributing funds, it has no right to do so, even though she acknowledged that most donors were likely under the impression that the NYC-GA was the only organization with access to these funds. Two other leaders of the teach-in, Daniel and Adash, concurred with Holmes.

Ms. Holmes also stated at the teach-in that five people in the Finance WG have access to the $500,000 raised by Friends of Liberty Plaza. When Suresh Fernando, the man taking notes, asked who these people are, the leaders of the Structure WG nervously laughed and said that it was hard to keep track of the “constantly fluctuating” heads of the Finance WG. Mr. Fernando made at least four increasingly explicit requests for the names. Each request was turned down by the giggling, equivocating leaders.

Who gets all that donor money received with fake assurances that it was money for the people at Zoo-cottie Park?:

“The leaders of the Structure WG eventually regained control of the teach-in. They said that they too were unhappy with the Finance WG’s monopoly over OWS’s funds, which is why they wanted to create the Spokes Council. What upset them more, however, was the inefficient and fickle General Assembly. A major point of the discussion was whether the Spokes Council and the NYC-GA should have access to the funds, or just the Spokes Council.

Daniel, a tall, red-bearded, white twenty-something—one of the six leaders of the teach-in—said that the NYC-GA needed to be completely defunded because those with “no stake” in the Occupy Wall Street movement shouldn’t have a say in how the money was spent. When I asked him whether everybody in the 99% had a stake in the movement, he said that only those occupying or working in Zuccotti Park did. I pointed out that since the General Assembly took place in Zuccotti Park, everybody who participated was an occupier. He responded with a long rant about how Zuccotti Park is filled with “tourists,” “free-loaders” and “crackheads” and suggested a solution that the even NYPD has not yet attempted: Daniel said that he’d like to take a fire-hose and clear out the entire encampment, adding hopefully that only the “real” activists would come back.

The main obstacle to the creation of the Spokes Council was that the NYC-GA had already voted against it four times. One audience member observed that no organization would vote to relinquish its power. Some of the strongest proponents of the Spokes Council responded that they had taken this into account, and were planning on creating the Spokes Council regardless of whether the NYC-GA accepted the proposal. They claimed that, in the interests of non-hierarchy, neither the Spokes Council nor the General Assembly should have power over the other.

In the minutes of the teach-in on Saturday the 22nd, the leaders recognize that usurping power from the NYC-GA might make people uncomfortable.

It’s all a fake. The pretend democracy is a fake propaganda ploy by the real leaders of Occupy Wall Street. As the former leader of Occupy Wall Street writes “I felt like I was watching a local production of Animal Farm.”

It’s all a fake. It’s a fake directed from 60 Wall Street. It’s a fake devoted to protection of Barack Obama. It’s a fake and a protector of crony capitalist #1. It’s a fake. A fake. Anyone who defends Occupy Wall Street is defending a fake.

Anyone who defends Occupy Wall Street has to explain 60 Wall Street and explain why it is not a fake. But it is a fake. A total fake armed with dupes who want to believe the unbelievable and the indefensible.

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242 thoughts on “The Age Of Fake: ‘Occupy Wall Street’ The Gateway Drug to Hopium

  1. We’ll be updating all day tomorrow as events warrant. We’re sure the comments section will keep us all informed as well. And we won’t be distracted from posting other Obama boobery and corruptions, not necessarily related to OWs tomorrow.

  2. Admin,

    Pls excuse the OT, but when FreeRepublic agrees with BoingBoing on something, maybe it’s a real danger to sites like H44?

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2808296/posts
    The worst bill in Internet history is about to become law. [….] PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261) creates the first system for Internet censorship – this bill has sweeping provisions that give the government and corporations leeway and legal cover for taking down sites.
    [….]
    Every site which has user-generated content, posts links or videos to anything copyrighted in it could face new legal threats. If a copyrights holder disliked links you have on your site, they could simply file a complaint with a payment processor (Visa, PayPal), who would then have 5 days to respond to their request or risk legal ramifications. If bills like this are allowed to pass, we’ll be spending another $47 million dollars every year to help corporations fill out and enforce Internet blacklists.

    Sites that would be legal under the DMCA and its safe harbor provisions would now risk losing everything for allowing user generated content. It also has added in the streaming felony bill that would make it so ordinary Internet users are at risk of going to jail for 5 years for post any copyrighted work that would cost $2,500 to license.

  3. And in addition to the “turndownobama” post, all they have to do is post a copyrighted whatever and have the blog taken. Freedom of Press? I don’t think so. There will be no internet except as a vehicle to sell us something. As if we did not know what they were up to all along.

  4. It is indeed a great scoop. I will have to back and read it again to take in all the information.

    I’m also going to recommend this site to others.

  5. Scuffles now on Broad and Beaver as dupes converge in large group to block citizens (including a woman with a baby in a carriage and a young child) from access to wherever it is they want to go.

  6. My fellow followers of The First Lady Of The World we are now targeted and suppressed into the Orwellian World of of Barrack Hussein Obama do you not hear the racial drums beating and the coming sound of military boots dancing to the tune of his
    agenda Retribution Restitution Redistribution and the final goal of Revolution while we sleep.Remember
    those words of warning “Beware The Ides of March.”
    Our time has come for uss to act plead and beg
    DRAFT Hillary No one else will do.They are The Gravytrainers.Don’t let them eat cake or
    Normandy to the Elbe were a waste of time
    .
    Thak you all and lets fight back ABM90

  7. Amen, ABM. And it looks like admin’s general optimism for big change is holding at Rasmussen:
    Thursday November 17
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 20% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -24 (see trends). [HINT: After improving to minus teens for several days, it is again way into the 20’s]

    The president has recently suggested he will act alone to help the economy but just 27% of voters think this is appropriate. Sixty-three percent (63%) believe he should work more with Congress on the economy. This comes as just 18% believe the country is generally heading in the right direction. With those right direction numbers, Scott Rasmussen said on Fox News that he considers Barack Obama a slight underdog in his bid for re-election.

  8. In protest of the Occupiers I am going to watch the Solyndra hearing on CSPAN 3 at 10 AM. How closely is this Occupier stuff timed with the WH to switch attention from Congress exposing their misdeeds to a rabble disrupting a city.

  9. Obama: Strongly Approve: 20%… Strongly Disapprove: 44%… Approval Index: -24… Total Approval: 44%…

    something tells me Ras had a few outlier days, 2 days ago it was 50% approval, -15 strong disapproval, now its flying off the handle again.

  10. The Solyndra hearings are coming in just in time. OWS is celebrating its “victory” by going back to Zoo-cottie Park at 10:30. It’s a fizzle in the drizzle.

  11. Chu looks unsettled, GOP Rep Barton zeroes in on Chu reversal of Bush rejection of Solyndra and violation of Title 17 protex of taxpayers. interesting to see the answer.

  12. i know Admin, you can tell its complete lies, he knows nothing of what his subordinates do, just like holder, so who is running these depts?

    Fire him.

  13. The OWS livestream is saying that the opening bell at the stock market has been delayed by them
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    This is not true. The bell rang on time and Wall Street is open for business as usual.

    Glad to say.

  14. MoonOnPluto, Chu also corrected himself quickly when discussing Obama bundler George Kaiser. Chu said he is now aware of Kaiser’s “connections” then quickly restated to say Kaiser’s “role”.

  15. Myrick going hard now on how Solyndra’s finances were so far off, why were questions not raised. Barton ripped Chu an new butt earlier, he’s back up again soon.

  16. Chu and the DOE were/are just the front person/organization for the “loans”. It looks as if all roads led back to the second floor of the West Wing and Jarrett’s Office.

  17. A candid ‘Conversation in Manila’ with Hillary Clinton

    YASMIN D. ARQUIZA, GMA News
    11/17/2011

    She came, she chatted away, and generally charmed the packed room of some 100 students and bloggers who were fortunate enough to get invited to “A Conversation in Manila” with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday.

    With the paintings of National Artist Botong Francisco as a fitting backdrop at the National Museum, Mrs. Clinton candidly answered questions about her family, what’s inside her purse, and her brand of smartphone at the informal forum patterned after town hall meetings in her native United States.

    But ever the savvy diplomat, she deftly evaded questions about ex-President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s travel predicament or what she thought about President Benigno Aquino III’s bachelor status, leaving it up to the country’s past and present leaders to sort out their concerns.

    On the whole, the forum struck what Mrs. Clinton called her favorite word – balance, between tough questions about China and the military posturing in the West Philippine Sea, to solicitations for advice to the youth on the use of social media.

    elaxed and very much in her element, Mrs. Clinton clearly enjoyed talking more about lighter stuff in this forum than more weighty policy issues. She lit up when asked about her daughter Chelsea and the fond memories they shared with her mother Dorothy, who passed away recently.

    But she turned serious when asked about her political plans, telling the audience she was done aspiring for either of America’s top two posts. “I will figure out other ways to serve,” she mused.

    Taking a page from the experience of her husband, former US President Bill Clinton, who has been active in charity work and the lecture circuit, Mrs. Clinton said, “He knows that there’s life after politics and I’m looking forward to testing those waters.”

    For women who want to enter politics, she spoke at length about “expectations and double standards” that come with gender bias, telling them to be prepared for criticisms and all kinds of accusations. Mrs. Clinton also shared former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt’s advice for would-be politicians: “grow a skin as thick as a rhinoceros’” to withstand the brickbats that will come their way.

    On her personal preferences, she confessed that her iPod contained “mostly music I grew up with… the Beatles, Rolling Stones, the Who, the Doors,” and that when it comes to phones, “I’m a Blackberry person,” no doubt to the chagrin of iPhone users. As for her iPad, she reads mostly news sites.

    Her candor showed up clearly when she talked about the US immigration system, which she agreed was “broken,” as the Pulitzer prize-winning Filipino journalist Jose Antonio Vargas put it in a question via Skype.

    “I think of America as an idea as much as a place,” she reflected, adding that one of the difficulties that the nation of immigrants faces is the huge number of people who want to enter the country, compared to other nations where people want to leave their native land.

    Mrs. Clinton’s comment on overseas Filipino workers also struck a chord with many viewers: “I always find it a little bit sad that so many of your people have to leave the country to find work.”

    She segued to the Partnership for Growth agreement that she signed with the Philippine government during her overnight visit, saying it was a “demonstration of our confidence” in the country’s economic and political future.

    While the audience was applauding Mrs. Clinton’s optimism about the Philippines, one student suddenly stood up and started shouting slogans condemning the Mutual Defense Treaty, the basis for the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) that allows US troops to hold joint military exercises with Philippine soldiers.

    Many of the youth invited by the US embassy to the forum came from campus publications, and predictably, the protester turned out to be the editor-in-chief of the Philippine Collegian, the official student newspaper of the University of the Philippines in Diliman, which has long been known for radicalism.

    “May nakalusot,” remarked someone at the back, and indeed we all wondered how anyone could get even a folded banner past the tight security at the entrance to the venue. “O tama na,” an elderly female voice admonished as the student ranted on before security personnel escorted him out of the room.

    Unperturbed, Mrs. Clinton dismissed the protest as simply “what democracy is all about” and went on to answer a question from the audience without missing a beat.

    And unfortunately for the lone protester, none of the other students seemed to share his militant stance. After the forum, most of them rushed to the stage for a chance to shake hands with the woman whom Forbes magazine has named the second most powerful in the world, next only to Germany’s Angela Merkel.

    The one-hour informal forum ended in an upbeat mood, in contrast to more serious and formal press conferences where Mrs. Clinton is peppered with policy questions. For the mostly young audience in the room, it was a rare chance to get to know a world leader up close, iPod contents and all.

    http://www.gmanews.tv/story/238793/special-reports/a-candid-conversation-in-manila-with-hillary-clinton

  18. apparently Chu’s CoS tells Chu nothing of a conversation with Jarret and Biden about Soyndra doubts, yeah right and i’m the tooth fairy.

  19. He’s a Nobel prize winner????
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    Yup and so is obama. The prize isn’t worth much anymore.

  20. Although I don’t agree with most of the comments about protesting, I do admit that most of the young kids that are taking to the streets are the same kids that expected pink unicorns from their Hope and Change, walking on water Fraud of a Golden Calf.

    They are angry, well guess how WE felt when your Golden Calf spit on the winner of the primary and the DNC bludgeoned Hillary until she put down her sword.

    I do not support the Bush tax cuts to the rich, I do not support bailing out banks and fly by night companies, I do not support a scam of a Obamacare plan, nor all the other crap we have been aware of since 2007…but I do not blame the anger of the protesters against stupid decisions of the O’administration and congress, the problem is they don’t want to admit they voted for a fraud. The koolaid has still not worn off.

    I do not see a Republican candidate that is a superstar either, and all their plans stink.

    Bottom line, no one is happy about the leaders of our country…except our Gal is still workin’ and riding off on her white horse.

    Just a distraction, more like a war party for those under the bus…which is everyone except folks that are well off and can ride the storm. Everyone else is hurting and many of the younger folks are stuck in the mud.

  21. Opinion: Obama’s ‘beautiful friendship’ with Wall Street – Joe Scarborough – POLITICO.com
    …To fully understand the extent of Obama’s double-speak, it helps to let the “Casablanca” scene play out a bit, because after the corrupt captain makes his self-righteous declaration, a croupier hands him cash and says, “Your winnings, sir.” Capt. Renault quietly thanks the croupier and then quickly returns to the role of reformer by shouting, “Everybody out at once!” Like that old movie character, Obama seems capable of effortlessly floating between demonizing Wall Street gambling one day and profiting from it the next.
    The audacity is breathtaking. The president has raised more money from Wall Street through the Democratic National Committee and his campaign account than any politician in American history. This year alone, he has raked in more cash from bank employees, hedge fund managers and financial services companies than all Republican candidates combined….

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67770.html

  22. Two Wall Street heroes stepped up to the mob this morning carrying their own signs saying – ‘get a job’ and ‘occupy a desk’.

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    That’s kind of clueless, when one of the things OWS is protesting is LACK of available jobs.

  23. This article fairly mirrors the conversation I had with the wife at lunch today after she said, “[OWS] seems to have regular peoples’ interest in their mind”.

    Observation – from the overview cams I saw, it looked like about 200 agitators and 200 NYPD. Far cry from the thousands the non-organizing organizers predicted.

  24. Unions. Is there any word of them showing up? They should be arriving about now if they are ‘doing’ Foley Square and the Brooklyn Bridge.

  25. That’s kind of clueless, when one of the things OWS is protesting is LACK of available jobs.
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    Maybe some of them, but those hippies who have been participating in a 2 month camp out, sleeping in filth, enjoying their drugs, drums, booze, dancing and sex, really don’t seem like they are looking very hard for work.

    Just saying.

  26. really don’t seem like they are looking very hard for work

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    As one participant explained, she can do online applications, answer her cell phone, etc — just as well from a city park as from home. And if she gets a call, she’s closer to the business district.

  27. Funniest moment from the self-obsessed march today happened a few minutes ago on the live stream. After a day of self-glorification and delusion (we shut down Wall Street!!!; the whole world is watching!!!) this exchange happened:

    Protestor/commentator #1: “Oh WOW! There are so many people here I can actually feel the ground shaking!!!!!!

    Protestor #2: “That’s the subway dude.”

  28. We received this report from a very reliable source: The “L” train into Manhattan was evacuated this afternoon and the explanation provided was the situation in Manhattan. After some time the order was reversed and passengers were told to re-board the subway train. During the time people were on the subway platform there was much grumbling about Occupy Wall Street. Even those that said they “agreed” with OWS angrily said “this ain’t right” and thought OWS was stupid for doing this.

    Meanwhile in Union Square the speakers at the rally there were students who mostly grumbled about the amount of student loan debt they have piled up. The complaints continued even at Foley Square when they met up with several union members.

  29. I run dailypuma and I also now run occupynews

    I find your article interesting. I have five things that I would like to see the occupy movement do. So far, it feels more like a hodge podge movement. It could be what you are saying.

    It could also be what you are saying but the leaders are not going to stop it if actually leads somewhere they did not envision.

    The forums on occupy wall street have exploded. There appears to be a new topic popping up every 2 or 3 minutes all day long and night long.

    One thing I would say, there is no way all the forum contributors think alike.

    I have been very open about my desire to see the movement help stop all the foreclosures, to be robin hood instead of just occupying streets.

    The 60 minutes insider trading piece along with the foreclosure issue would be on my top five list. I would also like to see the credit protector credit card insurance program refund as much as 100 billion to 200 billion dollars in fraudulent overcharges over the past 15 years.

    I’d like to see the government and the federal reserve take back home mortgages from wall street. It seems that over the past 10 years the government and the federal reserve abdicated their handling of home mortgages and instead printed up money and went to war while wall street turned home mortgages into their own personal casino in which they “win” no matter what.

    Amazingly enough, the money the federal reserve printed up over the past 10 years did not fund the wars. The wars were put on credit and right now are paying off as handsome residual interest rate dividends for our billionaire and trillionaire friends.

    And I’d like to see justifiable debt restructuring not require a credit default first against the debtor. Fix these five things and the economy and the 99% can heal from within while distancing themselves from the rich elite.

  30. OccupyNews person, the problem is that what you think or what any of the people on the street thinks, or what any of you want – DOES NOT MATTER. OWS is an astroturf operation run by “leaders” who don’t give a damn what you think or want. Those secret leaders have an agenda and you are merely a pawn in their game. (cue “the paranoid style of American politics” adherents who refuse to see what is staring them in the face in order that they can live in delusion).

    We would like OWS to join with the Tea Party and demand the Stock Act pass and Obama be booted out of office – but what we want is irrelevant to OWS’ real leaders-(the real leaders are the ones who determine where the money goes and where the money comes from, the Spokes Council we wrote about in the article). We want Hawaiian vacations for all and free trips to the moon and Saturn too – but it’s not going to happen. Wishing won’t make it so.

    You can wish for all the pink unicorns you want, but OWS leaders do not care. It’s a replay of the Obama 2008 playbook. Those that want to be fooled again are in the streets as the shock troop dupes. The sensible – won’t get fooled again. The wise were not fooled in the first place.

  31. The tea folks and the occupy kids have little in common on an econonomic level. The kids have few if any job options and lots of student debt that is rising by the semester.
    …and no, I am not talking about a few nitwits that show up on the media and eveyone on Fox loves to make them the poster children of the potests…

    The tea folks have their nest eggs and if their taxes don’t rise, they can still send their kids to private colleges and run their own businesses.

    This is class warfare, not just with words prompted by Barry, but by citizens that are secure and citizens that are on the economic edge of the cliff.

    Don’t anyone twist my words around to say I am for free giveaways…but things like an affordable public college education are becoming a thing of the past. I honestly could not afford to put myself through college these days as I did when my parents didn’ t want me to go to college back on the seventies.

  32. I just got back from my marathon 8 hour RT to LI and back and I am happy to say OWS had no affect on my travel plans. In fact, Amtrak got in to Penn Station 10 minutes earlier than planned and I got a LIE train earlier than I had expected giving me an extra hour with my mom.

    However, even my 90-y-o mom said she thought the OWS was “stupid.”

    FWIW, Amtrak has initiated a lot more safety precautions since the last time I took the train, about 4 months ago. Among them was getting travelers cell phone numbers in case service was ‘disrupted.”

    Thanks very much, admin and posters for the updates about the situation. I have been without internet access for almost 24 hours. I’m happy to say I think OWS seems to have finally worn out its welcome.

  33. Shadowfax
    November 17th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    …. Don’t anyone twist my words around to say I am for free giveaways…but things like an affordable public college education are becoming a thing of the past.

    Hi Shadowfax, my brother had an interesting idea a while ago. He said he thought that colleges should be co-signers on every student loan application they process.

  34. Sorry I hit the submit button before finishing.

    He thinks the guaranteed student loan program has caused the price of a college education to climb. And if a little bit of the college’s money was on the line there might be a different attitude around campus.

  35. And if a little bit of the college’s money was on the line there might be a different attitude around campus.

    ==================

    Who was it said the loans should return, not a fixed amount, but a percentage of what the graduate actually earned in that field?

    Might have been Bill Clinton in his 100 days speech I posted recently.

  36. OccupyNews.net
    November 17th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    ==================

    Hi, Alessandro, nice to see you!

    Do you have an estimate of how many PUMA blogs are supporting OWS, and how many are against? Last I read Pumapac, it was mixed.

  37. Thanks for liking dailypuma.

    We may be pawns, but the pawns that make it all the to the other side become queens, the most powerful piece on the chess board. I don’t believe a movement with no visible leaders can suddenly tell a growing mass how to think and feel when they did not create that paradigm in the beginning.

    I’m sticking to my five talking points and maybe others will see the wisdom in protecting main street before wall street steals main street’s remaining assets.

    ————–
    Turndown obama. Hillary Clinton was/is such a powerful politicians because her intellectually superior moderate/liberal position allowed her to gain acceptance among a huge diversity of voters. Therefore, PUMAs are truly a mixed group, some are supporting OWS, others think if they are tea party supporters they cannot support
    OWS, yet they are all PUMAs.

  38. I’m going on my asian trip next month, malaysia, thailand, bali, i hope they fumigate the place after bambi before i arrive.

  39. I don’t believe a movement with no visible leaders can suddenly tell a growing mass how to think and feel when they did not create that paradigm in the beginning.

    =======================

    Right. As with the Tea Party, it doesn’t matter who coined the name or set the date and place. What matters is that a large number of ordinary sane decent people took up that name to express what they’d been thinking. Many OWS signs and statements are on the same issues we post about here: bailouts, crony capitalism, etc. It’s these people turning out that is the strength of the ‘movement’ — that IS the movement, I’d say.

    Of course on the other side it could be said that at this time some ‘leaders’ just want the marchers to act as a distraction from other events, which is happening.

    Personally, I think the OWS marchers are speaking to people who wouldn’t be watching Chu testify anyway, and are telling them the bottom line: “Wall Street loves Obama, and he’s sponsored by Goldman Sachs.”
    ( See their sign at h t t p : / / riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/303211_10150463443746101_589686100_10655819_121683392_n.jpg?w=300&h=225 )

  40. Seems like OWS is already down to being 3rd or 4th story reported this morning and none of it goes out of the way to glorify. Glad to have doc of aggravating police.
    Obie’s DUI uncle is in the news again decrying the unconstitutionality of his DUI. News source given but I have no link.
    Obama uncle wants DUI charge thrown out
    2011-11-17
    United Press International
    The illegal alien uncle of President Obama says his arrest on a drunken driving charge violated his U.S. constitutional rights and he wants the case thrown out. A lawyer for Onyango Obama filed a motion to suppress in Framingham District Court in Massachusetts Thursday, arguing his Aug. 24 arrest on a charge of driving under the influence of alcohol violated Obama’s Fourth Amendment rights against unlawful search and seizure, the Boston Herald reported. Obama, the half-brother of President Obama’s late Kenyan father, works as a liquor store clerk. He entered the United States illegally from Kenya and has defied a deportation order for nearly two decades, the newspaper said. Police said Onyango Obama was arrested for driving drunk and nearly crashing in to an unmarked Framingham police cruiser. A hearing on the motion was set for Jan. 12.
    A service of YellowBrix, Inc.

  41. I am not trying to be argumentative, but I would like to understand what these people want.

    Last night I watched an interview with a student who claims he is $100,000 in debt because of his college loan. He seemed like a nice young man expressing concern about making a future for himself with such a debt hanging over his head. Okay, I hear him. But what does he want?

    I could only think back a few decades to my own college days. I got out a loan which was equivalent back then to what his is today. That is, about 2 years salary. I went to work, paid off the loan and that was it. Case closed. If I remember correctly, I didn’t even whine about it.

    So my question is – what does he want? Does this young man want me and others of my generation – who are putting their own kids through school, paying off their mortgages and all their other bills – to set some money aside to pay off his loans for him? Well, who the Hell does he think he is and what gives him the right to even ask me to do such a thing?

    Can anyone help me with this? I am really trying to understand what makes these people tick.

  42. I have a really bad feeling about this:

    Obama sends Hillary Clinton to Myanmar to probe reforms – World – DNA
    President Barack Obama said today he would send Hillary Clinton on the first trip to Myanmar by a US secretary of state for 50 years to see if Washington can “empower” a nascent reform process. Obama said in Indonesia that he made the decision after speaking directly for the first time with democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi and noted “flickers of progress” from the Myanmar government but said that more needed to be done. His announcement, ahead of an East Asia summit in Bali, was the most significant move in US policy on Myanmar in many years, after several decades of using sanctions to isolate the country due to its rule of fear.
    It also came as Suu Kyi’s opposition National League for Democracy (NLD) was expected to announce its return to the official political arena today after years of marginalisation by military strongmen. “Last night, I spoke to Aung San Suu Kyi directly and confirmed she supports American engagement to move this process forward,” Obama said of his phone call with his fellow Nobel laureate from Air Force One yesterday. Clinton would next month “explore whether the United States can empower a positive transition in Burma,” Obama said, using the country’s former name.
    http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_obama-sends-hillary-clinton-to-myanmar-to-probe-reforms_1614298

  43. Leanora
    November 18th, 2011 at 5:56 am
    I am not trying to be argumentative, but I would like to understand what these people want.

    Last night I watched an interview with a student who claims he is $100,000 in debt because of his college loan. He seemed like a nice young man expressing concern about making a future for himself with such a debt hanging over his head. Okay, I hear him. But what does he want?

    I could only think back a few decades to my own college days. I got out a loan which was equivalent back then to what his is today. That is, about 2 years salary. I went to work, paid off the loan and that was it. Case closed. If I remember correctly, I didn’t even whine about it.

    So my question is – what does he want? Does this young man want me and others of my generation – who are putting their own kids through school, paying off their mortgages and all their other bills – to set some money aside to pay off his loans for him? Well, who the Hell does he think he is and what gives him the right to even ask me to do such a thing?
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    It is damned near impossible for normal Americans to have sympathy for someone with 100,000 in educational loans. It’s the fault of the fool who racked up the loans, not the bank that made the loan to the numbnut.

  44. BASIL99 November 17th, 2011 at 10:06 pm re pleasant trip
    ————–
    Great.
    ################
    moononpluto November 17th, 2011 at 10:05 am re declining Rasmussen numbers
    —————
    Do you recall the “Two Presidents” ad by Crossroads? It’s been posted here somewhere; it contrasts Big Dawg’s opinion of raising taxes now with O’s ‘pass the bill’ rhetoric. It’s been airing here regularly. IMO it is very effective. Don’t know if it is a country-wide effort. If so, it could be a factor in the downturn.

  45. blowme0bama
    November 18th, 2011 at 7:25 am

    The enormous debt incurred seems to be the main beef that so many of the protesters talk about. While I have some sympathy in that they are the group that has been caught in the changing and shrinking economy, the reasons that they racked up this much debt is elusive. Their actions were based upon presumptions that the economy would not change as it has been doing for a couple of decades. They are convinced of their own superiority and intelligence which is arguable and their insistence in many cases that actual job skills were not necessary but rather their simple existence and attendance at a prestigious should guarantee them a “position” at a non-profit or government entity. And I would like to know if they were actually poor kids whose parents could not help them or were they kids whose parents were unwilling to sacrifice to finance what many parents such as myself view as a responsibility to pay for and demand the best use of money in providing for the education of their children (I live in a state with great state universities, lower tuition, world ranked, and we use them because my wife and I fund them with taxes and the kid has to compete with a huge number of other kids for the right to be admitted).

  46. turndownobama
    November 18th, 2011 at 12:07 am
    And if a little bit of the college’s money was on the line there might be a different attitude around campus.

    It is always striking how differently funds are spent depending on if it is coming out of someone’s own pocket, borrowed with collateral, or borrowed with any skin in the game. I really do not think any kind of consulting or explanations are given to these students who are racking up the debt. The fact that it will follow them around for the rest of their life and cannot be discharged in bankruptcy, that it will enormously impact their standard of living (and any children or spouse’s that they may acquire), and that a master of arts in puppetry (real story) will not increase their net worth (there is nothing wrong with being a puppeteer for the love of it but for Christ’s sake pay for it on your own dime like it was a hobby).

  47. Leanora
    November 18th, 2011 at 5:56 am
    —————–
    I don’t understand it either. Both my husband (GI Bill, My self (My Saving as a single), and both or Children (within our budget), graduated from college, three of us with Masters, without debt. We were just slightly above the income that denied us loans. We budgeted, and therefore somehow we made it work. So we went out into the world debt.

    Right now I have one child in some debt. I don’t expect anyone to get them out of debt but them. They will have to budget their way out. I will sit down with them and discuss it, give them advice I can, but I don’t expect anyone to bail them out.

    So why are the student’s that borrowed whinning now?. Did they actually think it was a scholarshp? By the way, our children had some small help in that respect also. Of course our children went locally to school, and the only thing they got was a decent car, after they made it through their Freshman year.

    I don’t understand it either. If they forgive the students, then I think my child’s debt should be forgiven, even though they caused it under different circumstances. They both are working members of society, but had some time off between jobs which contributed to this situation.

  48. BCM Has Ceased Operations (source)
    Posted by Ann Barnhardt – November 17, AD 2011 10:27 AM MST
    Dear Clients, Industry Colleagues and Friends of Barnhardt Capital Management,

    Who is Ann Barnhardt, this post is over at NQ? I must have her confused with a comedian or something. But I read what she wrote and it both infuriates and frightens me. Sometimes I think I should take what’s left of my savings and hide them under my bed.

  49. OccupyNews.net
    November 17th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
    I have been very open about my desire to see the movement help stop all the foreclosures, to be robin hood instead of just occupying streets.

    Occupy- You are out of your mind if you think all foreclosures should be stopped. Many of these properties should be foreclosed because the mortgages were given to people who could not afford them, to people who used their property like a magical piggy bank and many were given to people who are in the country illegally. It is one thing to help people who end up in forclosure because of devastating heAlth costs or jobs lost to this economy but taxpayers should not have to fund illegal behavior.

    There are many foreclosed property where I live…..very few deserve to be rescued by hard working taxpayers.
    I had a neighbor / friend who inherited a 600K property. She mortgaged the entire thing, stopped working, took trips, ate in fine restaurants…..spent everything. Eventually she was foreclosed. The house short sold for 395K. A small portion of the property was left to her but was still in her dead mothers name. She sold that to the buyer behind the banks back and made 150K from it. So she defrauded the bank….a bank that taxpayers are bailing out. My husband’s cousin is also underwater on a mortgage….her husband hasn’t paid a mortgage payment in 2 years, yet sent her and her daughter on vacation to Paris last year and bought himself a $1500. camera. He earns over 150K per year and drives a Lexus. You want to bail them out???? I DON’T!

    Another neighbor, an illegal alien wanted by interpol for child sex abuse, hasn’t paid the mortgagefor two years. He has skipped town, but his girlfriends sister and her children live in the house and collect RENT from tenants they illegally rent rooms to. We taxpayers get to pay for the kids’ education and have our property values lowered by illegal group homes in our single family neighborhood.

  50. I live in a state with great state universities, lower tuition, world ranked, and we use them because my wife and I fund them with taxes

    =========================

    Stete schools are funded with EVERYONE’S taxes, including taxpayers who have no children or who pay for their children’s education elsewhere, thus subsidising your children’s lower tuition. Using state schools (or charity scholarchips) is not a sign of virtue. It’s sucking at the public teat with no prospect of ever paying back those taxpayers. The students who borrowed were borrowing from willing lenders, and may pay back at least some of it.

  51. I could only think back a few decades to my own college days. I got out a loan which was equivalent back then to what his is today. That is, about 2 years salary. I went to work, paid off the loan and that was it.

    ======================

    A few decades ago, because of some government program (Hillary said), interest rates were lower on college loans; Hillary’s college loan was at a low rate, easy to pay off. And — there were more jobs offered.

  52. turndownobama
    November 18th, 2011 at 10:40 am
    Since I pay real estate taxes in seven counties including school taxes for over thirty years and I only had 3 children who went to public university, plus paid an average of $15,000.00 per year tuition, I can say that I paid for it and several other people too. Since most of it is in rural areas with virtually no services from the county or state I can say it goes almost 100% to education costs both for the local schools and state funded schools.

  53. Since I pay real estate taxes in seven counties including school taxes for over thirty years and I only had 3 children who went to public university

    ================

    Even IF those figures balanced out (which I doubt), what about the other taxpayers who had no children or paid directly for their children at non-state schools? And the students whose parents were not in your tax category, students who borrowed rather than using money forced from the taxpayers?

    Yours wasn’t necessarily a bad choice, but it’s nothing to be proud of and is no reason to condemn the students who mortgaged their own future with student loans instead of riding on tax money they would never be asked to repay.

  54. The student loan issue bothers me as well.

    Rather than expect a loan to be forgiven, fight to have the interest rate charges waived, and fight to not have to make payments when unemployed.

    But to just expect the debt to be waived is unfair to those who did not even attempt to go to a school they could not afford. It’s the single most toxic issue about the occupy movement that drives me nuts.

  55. Hillary Clinton to visit Burma to check on ‘flickers of progress’

    News of first Burma visit by a US secretary of state in 50 years follows decision by Aung San Suu Kyi’s NLD to re-enter politics

    Jonathan Watts guardian.co.uk, Friday 18 November 2011

    Hillary Clinton will become the first US secretary of state in 50 years to visit Burma, it has been announced, as Washington ramped up its efforts to kindle “flickers of progress” in the isolated south-east Asian nation.

    The visit next month, announced by Barack Obama, appeared to be a reward for Burma’s reforms, which were marked hours earlier by the return to politics of the democracy activist Aung San Suu Kyi.

    The double boost was widely applauded as a sign that Burma may be moving in from the political cold, but it contains risks: a political transformation is far from guaranteed in a government system that is still largely under the influence of the military, and the move may add to China’s suspicion that the US is attempting an encirclement policy.

    In announcing a “historic opportunity” for a top-level diplomatic mission, Obama spelled out that Burma had a long way to go to shake off decades of repression by military leaders. The US has serious concerns over human rights abuses, the detention of political prisoners and Burma’s treatment of ethnic minorities.

    But Obama said “after years of darkness, we’ve seen flickers of progress in these last several weeks” – apparently a reference to the government’s release of political prisoners, economic reforms and a decision to halt a controversial dam project.

    News of Clinton’s visit was welcomed by both the Burmese government and supporters of Aung San Suu Kyi. “It’s a very good sign,” Ko Ko Hlaing, chief political adviser to the president, Thein Sein, told Reuters. “I think it is a significant turn in US policy towards Myanmar … people in Myanmar will welcome, cheer Hillary Clinton because for a time in history, they have never seen a secretary of state.”

    Clinton warned that although there may be an opening for democracy, the US remained cautious. “We’re not ending sanctions. We’re not making any abrupt changes,” she told Fox News. “We have to do some more fact-finding and that’s part of my trip.”

    Hopes for change have been reinforced by Aung San Suu Kyi, who has formerly re-entered politics after two decades of persecution. Cheers greeted the announcement outside her party headquarters in Rangoon, after members of the National League for Democracy voted unanimously to end their boycott of elections.

    Aung San Suu Kyi was released from house arrest this year and has since held meetings with Thein Sein. This had created an opportunity, said Obama at a regional summit in Bali. “Last night, I spoke to Aung San Suu Kyi directly and confirmed she supports American engagement to move this process forward,” he said.

    Burma took another step out of isolation on Thursday by winning the support of its neighbours to chair the Association of South East Asian Nations in 2014. The last time it was due to take up the rotating position it was forced to skip its turn because of a dispute over the human rights situation under military rule.

    Burma’s closer engagement with the US may be viewed with suspicion in China, which has long been its southern neighbour’s main political backer on the international stage and second-largest trading partner, after Thailand.

    The Burmese government recently surprised its ally by announcing a halt to construction of the Myitsone dam, which was being funded by Chinese firms to supply electricity across the border. The government in Beijing has downplayed talk of friction, but some analysts and media commentators fear the US is engaged in a policy of encirclement.

    Obama denies this, but he has used his current tour of the region to announce the deployment of troops to Australia and to emphasise a strong US role in Asia. The US ambassador to Beijing, Gary Locke, said this was no cause for alarm and had been under consideration for several years.

    “This announcement of marines in Australia is certainly not aimed at China,” Locke said, emphasising the strength and importance of the world’s most important bilateral relationship. “There are almost no issues in the world that cannot be solved if the United States and China work together.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/18/hillary-clinton-visit-burma

  56. In other words…”in Hillary speak”…mind your own business.

    Hillary Clinton ‘surprised’ at Chelsea Clinton move

    By TIM MAK | 11/18/11

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday that she was “surprised” that her daughter, Chelsea, decided to take a reporting job with NBC News.

    “I was a little surprised that she decided to go for it, but I’m very excited for her,” the secretary of state told MSNBC Friday.

    On Monday, NBC announced that Chelsea Clinton will work as a correspondent on stories for its Making a Difference series that runs on the “NBC Nightly News” and “Rock Center With Brian Williams.” Clinton will also continue her graduate studies and work at her father’s foundation.

    Chelsea’s decision to join the media prompted some in the media to note the irony since the former First Daughter is famous for avoiding the press.

    Hillary Clinton also spoke up on weightier matters of state, telling NBC that although the U.S. government believes Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad must step down, there is “no appetite” for military intervention in Syria.

    Asked by NBC’s Chuck Todd about the Republican presidential primary field, Clinton said she was “happy to be out politics.”

    “I haven’t honestly been paying a lot of attention” to the GOP primary, she added, noting that she was barred from campaigning due to her position.

    However, the secretary of state did take time to praise her boss.

    “I am very proud of the leadership that President Obama has shown, he’s shown unequivocally that he is ready, willing and able to do whatever is necessary for our country,” said Clinton.

    Clinton also weighed in on the decision to delay the approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada, and suggested that it was not a political decision.

    “We have experts who are working on this, and they reached the conclusion after having done all this work, and listened to all these different voices on both sides of the debate, that there had to be attention paid to a potential, other route,” said Clinton. “It’s a largely technical, scientific process. I can’t comment on how long it would take to do properly.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68676.html

  57. DailyPUMA

    I have been watching your blog for years and thanks for putting all the sites together in one package.
    I gotta agree with you on this, big time, Hillary is also strong on American defense without going overboard and getting us into a war for profit or “nation building” which is more moderate than the far left.

    ———

    Hillary Clinton was/is such a powerful politicians because her intellectually superior moderate/liberal position allowed her to gain acceptance among a huge diversity of voters. Therefore, PUMAs are truly a mixed group, some are supporting OWS, others think if they are tea party supporters they cannot support
    OWS, yet they are all PUMAs.

  58. Chelsea doesn’t sound like she is ready to start having babies, guess that means the Big Dawg has to stay healthy so he can live a long time, and it opens the door for Mama Hillary to run for President again without having to babysit the grand-kids and bake cookies. 😉

    Run Hillary, run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. Florida Senate: Mack (R) 43%, Nelson (D) 39%
    Rasmussen Reports

    Republican Congressman Connie Mack changed his mind late last month about challenging longtime Democratic Senator Bill Nelson in 2012, and now he finds himself with a modest edge over the incumbent in the first Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Florida’s U.S. Senate race.

    The latest statewide telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state shows Mack with 43% to Nelson’s 39%.

    …………………………..

    Senate game on it seems.

  60. Barack Obama 1991 TBS Black History Minute (short video of younger Barry)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2QzjQEjp5Q

    Early Years Video of Barack Obama Surfaces

    by Ulsterman

    Speaking in a voice oddly deeper than it is today, pre-dental work, but still reading from a prepared script, an early look at the young man who would soon be President of the United States.

  61. “So why are the student’s that borrowed whinning now?. Did they actually think it was a scholarshp?”

    Congrats on raising responsible children, NewMexicoFan.

    The whining losers moaning about their student loans need to take any job to start payiong off their bills, not moan about how they don’t have the money to pay. No one put a gun to their head and told them to major in underwater basket weaving at the most expensive colleges – that’s what they chose to do. Now they have to pay for what they consumed. A hard lesson, maybe, but one I sure as he11 am not going to bankroll. Live and learn. By the pathetic bios spewed at on of their sister sites they all have a good 40-60 years left to begin making a dent in their foolishness, plus most of them look perfectly healthy.

    Shut the F**K up, admit your mistakes, take responsibility and move on. I bought a new car last month because the ten year old one was falling apart. I did NOT go out and buy a $100g Mercedes. I bought a Suburu and even after paying half by cash I still have a car loan. Do I like it? No. Should I ask someone else to pay my debt? No. Would it be even worse if I had taken on $100g of debt rather than $15G? He11, yeah.

  62. BASIL99
    November 18th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Shut the F**K up, admit your mistakes, take responsibility and move on. I bought a new car last month because the ten year old one was falling apart. I did NOT go out and buy a $100g Mercedes. I bought a Suburu and even after paying half by cash I still have a car loan. Do I like it? No. Should I ask someone else to pay my debt? No. Would it be even worse if I had taken on $100g of debt rather than $15G? He11, yeah.
    ___________________________________

    Seriously. The idea that the rest of the Nation should pay for their stupid extravagance is no less absurd than your example. You bought it, you own it.

  63. Yea, all the kids that have student loans should drop out of school, get a job, shut up and go to Hell.

    Really?

    I need to leave the blog for awhile this is making me really angry.

    Be back when I cool off.

  64. take any job to start payiong off their bills

    ==================

    Any job? Admitted unemployment is 9%, according to many posts here. There AREN’T any jobs available even for trained people who have been laid off. MacDonalsd’s threw out thousands of applications because they had 16 applicants for each job.

  65. Carol, I’m not “out of my mind”.

    I would venture a guess that you don’t know that there are between 3,000 to 7,500 home owner defaults in this country EVERY DAY.

    I would also guess you have no idea how deep the wall street home mortgage scandal runs.

    If a doctor prescribed the wrong medicine for you, you would blame yourself for taking it right? Explain how that is different from a government sanctioned banking institute approving a loan for a homeowner after the homeowner had to submit countless applications.

    Wall street was like a vampire looking for as many home mortgages as they could get so they could multiply each home mortgage by a factor of ten and falsify them to their investors.

    You may want to read my swarm the banks article and see who is really responsible for the tanking of the economy and the loss of close to TEN TRILLION DOLLARS in homeowner equity over the past decade.

    http://swarmthebanks.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-did-pension-fund-managers-invest.html

    Carol, you’re not really an “off with their heads” kind of person, are you?

  66. The idea that the rest of the Nation should pay for their stupid extravagance

    =====================

    Forgiveness of debt does not mean the rest of the nation pays it. Forgiveness of debt means NOBODY pays it. The predatory lenders take their loss (instead of taking a profit and hoarding it overseas).

    If debt is reduced or re-structured, then the lenders take some loss, and perhaps the colleges that jacked up their prices in this bubble, get retroactively taxed to reclaim some of the money they received for their inflated ‘product’.

    (As Bill Clinton said, students should pay only a percentage of what they actually earn using those degrees.)

  67. From elsewhere:

    Two dozen millionaires just made an argument in support of Mr. Buffett today:

    money.cnn.com/2011/11/16/news/economy/tax_millionaires/index.htm

    Ditto the CEO of Dow Chemical, apparently:

    money.cnn.com/2011/11/18/news/economy/tax_millionaires/index.htm

  68. ‘Such nonsense needs to be rebutted, not allowed to dominate.’

    If you really feel like “nonsense should be rebutted” you should take your own advice and start with your nonsensical comments.

  69. Drive a cab, get a waitress or waiter gig, give some lessons in your field of expertise, mow lawns, shovel snow, rake leaves, clean houses, sign up as a temp, substitute teach, drive a bus, join a ‘commune,’ barter your services, get a room mate, get rid of your car and ride a bike, move, relocate, start over, network, stay in mommy’s basement until the big bad wolf retreats.

    There is always something someone can do, especially a young, healthy, supposedly ‘educated’ person who should realize there are options, not all of them optimal, but options nevertheless.

    Will it make you rich? No. Will it pay all your bills? Maybe not. Will it tide you over until better times occur – maybe. Will you feel better about yourself for having friggin’ TRIED before throwing your hands up in the prime of life and lining up to moan about life’s inequities?

    He11 yes.

  70. Shadowfax
    November 18th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    Yea, all the kids that have student loans should drop out of school, get a job, shut up and go to Hell.

    Really?

    I need to leave the blog for awhile this is making me really angry.

    Be back when I cool off.
    ___________________________________

    Shadow, I know you didn’t come away with that understanding from the comments. In some instances, where someone is early in a degree program at an expensive school, they should change their major to something marketable, or go to a less expensive school, but there is no reason someone can’t work, go to a school where tuition is lower, and come out with a four year degree for somewhere under 40,000 in debt; most likely substantially less. They need to choose their degree wisely and apply themselves to get top grades. If they can’t do that, then they don’t need to complain about the lack of opportunity in their chosen field and their debt. At least not on a political level so as to move the rest of us to pay for their own bad decisions.

  71. urndownobama
    November 18th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Even IF those figures balanced out (which I doubt), what about the other taxpayers who had no children or paid directly for their children at non-state schools? And the students whose parents were not in your tax category, students who borrowed rather than using money forced from the taxpayers?

    I think we have a very basic difference in philosophy. The taxes are not forced from us. We choose to tax real estate to fund schools in my state. If we did not find it acceptable we would have changed it. I think I should contribute to education even when I do not have a school age child or if I had no children. It is for a foreign concept in this day and age called the common good. I also think I should pay according to my ability because in some ways I am rather socialistic and my kids should go to the same schools as everyone else.

    The best university in my state (ranked in the top 50 internationally) is a state school. The endowment was funded by the residents of my state for the past 100 years. It is maintained by the current residents through taxes. Every child has a chance to get a world class education for a relatively cheap price. Out of state competition for admittance is fierce even with quadruple tuition it is still a bargain.

    I have paid approximately $800,000 in the past ten years in real estate taxes. In the prior 20 it would have averaged less per year. I do not make that much since it is agricultural and I do it because we need tree farms, orchards, cattle and crops, and because I love it and I think I am a good steward of land (and I worked a full time job as did my wife). I have to pay real estate taxes whether I make money or not unlike income taxes. So I think I have contributed fairly towards my childrens education whether you think so or not.

  72. Excellent comments mormear and blowmeobamaa.

    Additionally, at the age of 21, one is no longer a kid but a young adult. A college education is not a right. The college experience is more than a career path. It is a window into lifelong learning and should be appreciated for what it is – the luxury of becoming more informed on topics one may have otherwise never have become acquainted with.

    A college education is an investment in oneself, and if you, as an individual, are not willing to foot the bill for that privilege, why should anyone else? Honestly, I have invested thousands in side pursuits over the years which never exactly panned out but which provided riches far beyond the financial. I failed in many things but never felt like someone owed me something just because I could not make a go at some occupation or subject I may have been passionate about.

    I understand how hard it is to pay back student debt – it took me 20 years. I remember the first year of starting payments, after the year or so of grace period and then postponement passed. It was a shock. No doubt it was as much of a shock to me, then, as it is to college grads today. But I would never have dreamed of demanding anyone else pay for my education which, I confess, took me many years to complete. That was my choice. Instead of looking at their lives as a half empty glass the bitter young 20-somethings should be grateful for what they have learned, what they have achieved and excited about their futures. Anyone so easily defeated by a sense of DOOM at so young an age is either a spoiled rotten brat or . . . . well, I have no alternative explanation.

    I see no reason to sympathize with or pity them. They do not appear hungry. They evidently have some source of financial support to enable them to exist for two months without working.

    If they actually are recent grads with student debt so what? What’s the worst that can happen? They will default on their loans. Many years from now. Big deal. That does not affect much beyond a credit score. It’s not an arrestable offense. They can still go on with their lives. If, in the future, it shows up on their credit score they can always work out a payment plan or a deal. I see no disaster here. No cause for hysteria. No reason to pretend the world is coming to an end. Such scenes have been faced by millions of Americans before these trust-fund cry-babies and people have survived and thrived. I see nothing different about today’s events.

    What I do see is a crowd of sniveling entitled brats throwing a collective temper tantrum because someone doesn’t magically appear and offer them a six-figure salary in whatever it is they have spent time and money learning. That’s life. If your skills are not marketable you go back to square one and get other skills. OR you remain passionate about whatever skill it is you have acquired and keep trying.

    It’s basically the same scenario that has confronted young people since time immemorial. This crew is no different except they seem to be dragged kicking and screaming into adulthood. But they ARE adults. If they want to prolong their childhood fantasies then they must finance it themselves.

  73. Does the student loan aspect have to dominate this thread? It’s ridiculous for anyone to expect their entire student loan to be forgiven so many reasons it’s a head spinner.

    For starters, what about the family that didn’t even bother to apply because they knew they could never pay back the loan? Now the schmuck who got the loan wants the education for free?

    What about using the prestige of the school to get laid and to even feel superior to your friends who want to a lesser known school? If the loan is forgiven, can the diploma be rescinded and the loanee goes back to legally only having a high school education?

    The compromise solution makes sense, no monthly bill if the person is not working, no interest rate charges when out of work, either no interest rate, or a super low 1.9 or 2.9 rate when the person is working.

    People really need to get a clue as to how harmful interest rate charges have become in our global economy. Just paying back a debt is BETTER than nothing, way better.

  74. ve some chilling memories of the years and days leading up to the start of WWII.yesterday a came upon a photo of Biden and Obama at a campaign event.Fhere was Obama next to VP Joe. OBama standing there chin jutting forward and pointing up to the sky i arrogance and defiance.That brought back memmories of Il Duce Benito Mussolini spouting propaganda and praise for das Fuehrer Adolf.Shortly after Il Duce was hung in the public square by the villagers for his involving Italy in a war with the Nazi housepainter.The world is in trouble and sction must be taken to Impeach Obama and Draft The First Lady Of The World as our new leader. She is by far the smartest an experienced person in the political scene.To date Obama has undone all of the good that had come from our fighting men in WWII.I never regreted the Omaha drive to within 40 miles of Berlin and then stopped by Stalin Roosevelt and Churchhill.Our Allies Fance Belgium Holland managed to blow up our fuel supply Lines and sell it to any one on the black market friend or foe. We need you Hillary now more than ever.

  75. So I think I have contributed fairly towards my childrens education

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    You may think that, but even if it were true in your case, there are many students whose parents do NOT pay $80,000 a year in real estate tax. For them, use of tax-supported college education IS sucking at others’ teats. You can’t condemn these OWS students for declining to do that — for signing for their own loans instead.

    As I’ve said, forgiveness of loans is not paying them. But if there were a plan for paying them, it would just be the same taxpayers’ money paying for that education through a different channel. And the students who borrowed would still have the moral high ground: they at least tried to pay it themselves, instead of going to the state university where it would certainly be paid by the taxpayers.

  76. I wish to holy Hell I could say where I work and what I do, but I can’t, so to listen to so many of you condem kids in school without knowing what is going on makes me crazy. I could tell you I know what the F I am talking about means nothing to those of you that just see students as lazy ass, stupid kids that should go mow lawns and drop their education. you use extream examples and label all of them in the same boat.

    Jeeze, listening to some of you is really painful and I don!’t have the patience to deal with it.

    I will just try to stay in the background until all this bs passes.

    Some of you I normally agree with, but not this time. Others, I almost never agree with…so be it.

    Just listening to people go on and on about this for weeks is really something I don’t have a stomach for right now.

    I’ll be back, we still have more in common than this subject.

  77. The compromise solution makes sense, no monthly bill if the person is not working, no interest rate charges when out of work, either no interest rate, or a super low 1.9 or 2.9 rate when the person is working.

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    Good idea — but it’s too long to write on a cardboard sign at Zucotti. 😉 Bill Clinton had some good ideas too, which I posted recently.

    I’ve been posting simple replies here — to oppose the simple name-calling against the OWS people. I’d love to see more detailed, practical discussion, but that would take even more time.

    And anything that cuts down the lenders’ profit (such as your proposal) would be labeled by the lenders as “forgiving” at least part of the loan — ie the interest they hoped to earn. So I thought it was worthwhile to answer the extreme form of that argument.

  78. The enormous debt incurred seems to be the main beef that so many of the protesters talk about.

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    Talk about where? In statements or photos published where? Are you getting a true picture of what the majority of the OWS people care about — or just what Fox and other media want to publicize?

    In one PUMA blog I read, the focus is on experienced professional people in OWS who have been laid off (because of professional level jobs going overseas, or cutbacks in research departments, at the instigation of Wall Street consultants).

    Earlier the Wall st Journal sent a pollster to Zucotti and asked people what their own priority issue was. Iirc student loans were cited by only a small percentage of the protestors. The larger number of the protestors cited issues that we’ve been working on here for a long time (and in conmmon with the Tea Party). Bank bailouts, bonuses, crony capitalism, housing bubble — and Wall St owning politicians including Obama, both parties being owned by money, etc.)

    (Of course there’s no contnradiction here: these are all part of the abuses from Wall St.)

  79. colleges should be co-signers on every student loan application they process

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    Good idea!

  80. The wars were put on credit and right now are paying off as handsome residual interest rate dividends for our billionaire and trillionaire friends.

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    Isn’t this true of much of the National Debt? You own a bomb factory. Bush buys a bomb, with money borrowed from your left pocket, from you as an investor. Your right pocket gets the sale money. Your rear pocket gets the interest on what Bush borrowed.

    And your mouth talks about cutting Social Security to cut the National Debt.

  81. I have been very open about my desire to see the movement help stop all the foreclosures, to be robin hood instead of just occupying streets.

    The 60 minutes insider trading piece along with the foreclosure issue would be on my top five list. I would also like to see the credit protector credit card insurance program refund as much as 100 billion to 200 billion dollars in fraudulent overcharges over the past 15 years.

    I’d like to see the government and the federal reserve take back home mortgages from wall street. [….]

    And I’d like to see justifiable debt restructuring not require a credit default first against the debtor. Fix these five things

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    These are good things. At the very least, giving advice to OWS has got people talking about good issues. 😉

    Some higher-level issues are Glass-Steagall and corporate personhood. Reforms on that level would make it possible for good politicians to do the specifics you mention. On a higher level yet, getting the message out to simply vote against the politicians who take the most from Wall St, may help us pass Glass-Steagall etc.

  82. I totally agree about Glass Steagall being reinstated. However, is that really an excuse for the government to abdicate their role in home mortgages so that wall street and their “investors” could traipse in over the past 10 years and defraud homeowners with their balloon mortgage payment traps that were only offered so that the mortgage could be sliced into multiple securitization schemes that were resold to unsuspecting investors as being triple AAA rated.

    Too make it even worse, wall street than set up additional investment opportunities in which they profited as soon as mortgages failed.

    The government and the federal reserve needs to be put on trial for their abdication of home mortgage responsibility when they gave it up to wall street 10 years ago.

    Even News Max admits that americans have lost ten trillion dollars worth of wealth over the past decade. Wall street taking over the home mortgage industry is directly to blame for this loss.

    George Bush Jr. acted like a wimp when he did not retake over the home mortgage industry. He did warn everybody about impending doom, but he could have done a lot more.

    It’s so sad that Bush Jr. believed that two wars would protect americans when americans were being financially terrorized by wall street.

  83. Impressive Republican Congressman.
    Rep. Kinzinger Weighs in on Solyndra
    The Illinois republican says Secretary Chu is not giving straight answers.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TopLine/ [This link good for now. Do not know how to pin its location down any further.]

    Questions to Chu: Are there anymore companies failing – you don’t have to name them. How many? Chu would not answer. Refused to apologize. Said it is just the risk of doing business.

    Kinzinger: We’ve (Republicans) come to the table again and again. Other side does not.

  84. I saw TV video of BO in a Bali shirt, in Bali of course. He was absolutely glowing. Like he was home. Home for Christmas.

  85. As far as the student loan issue goes, my loan was paid off after a lot of work and sweat. But I don’t see the amount that I had to pay as anywhere near the ballpark figures that we see with today’s students. Yes you can’t really compare, but I do feel for those students who want an education, got gigantic loans to do it because that was the only way, and are now facing repayment. It is almost like facing quicksand.

    Indeed, my $5000.00 loan back in the 70’s was huge back then. But I do think that we can’t lump all of them together. Some of this very population are worthy, honest and hardworking and will make great contributions to society. And yes they knew what they were getting into. That doesn’t make it any easier though. Almost like a fairytale with an ogre at the very end. We want them to excel, but we take away their chances to.

    Others, however want a free ride and I understand and hate that.

    Either way, these protests started out with the protestors hearts in the right place. The vision was there and the honest push for change permeated. But when outside elements pushed their way in, anger, crime, destruction, you name it, told hold.

    I still believe that there are protestors world over who are there for the right reasons.

  86. There are always two sides to each issue… We can yell at these students to get jobs and pay off their debts, but what if the jobs aren’t there?

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    November 18, 2011

    Student loans: Hurting millions

    Part of the impetus of the Occupy Wall Street movement comes from bitter young people who incurred large student loans in college, but can’t find careers in the wake of the Great Recession. Now they’re saddled with debts they can’t repay. Understandably, they’re resentful.

    Student loans have become an American disaster. More than half now graduate with debt. Last year, they owed an average of $25,250, up 5.2 percent in a single year. The total looming burden is nearly $1 trillion and exceeds credit card debt. The crisis is worst for students who drop out, winding up with large debts and no degrees.

    Previously, the loans were a bonanza for greedy banks that slapped on extra fees. A muckraking book, The Student Loan Scam: The Most Oppressive Debt in U.S. History, told horror stories of young professionals who saw their burdens triple or quadruple.

    President Obama and Democrats in Congress are reforming the mess. The landmark 2010 universal health-care law included a side-statute knocking banks out of the student loan business. Now, Obama wants a further cleanup that would limit yearly repayment to no more than 10 percent of graduates’ incomes, and forgive remaining debt after 20 years.

    Richard Colvin of Education Sector wants a stronger reform — curbing college tuition costs that are skyrocketing beyond the reach of many families, forcing students to incur ever-worse loans. Last year, California’s public universities hiked tuition 21 percent. The upsurge is making advanced education impossible for some modest-income folks.

    The University of Charleston deserves praise for bucking the tide and lowering tuition. Apparently, generous donations from alumni and corporations enabled the private school to afford this blessing. We hope other colleges find ways to do likewise.

    West Virginia’s default rate on student loans is 9.7 percent, considerably worse than the U.S. average of 8.8 percent. For-profit colleges generally produce more defaulting students, as do poverty regions. State education official Angela Bell told reporter Amy Julia Harris:

    “Lower-income students are more likely to default than other students. As a state, we have a large number of first-generation students and low-income students, and many of them are less likely to complete their degrees and then [repay their loans].”

    Higher education is the key to rewarding careers and general economic growth. The more young Americans are able to attain it, the more they will be assured of better lives and middle-class security. The loan nightmare mustn’t become a barrier blocking them out of the American Dream.

    http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/Editorials/201111180086

  87. I have researched, listened, watched, and learned about all the candidates vying for POTUS. There are some that I really started to think could win in 2012; but one by one they have fallen by the way in my mind’s eye. Here is a comedian who is serious as a heart attack about the chances of someone winning the nomination and the blowing Obama out of the water in the general election;
    however, I think that anyone who would come close would have to have a lot of security surrounding them – a lot. The article is here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/19/is-newt-gingrich-gops-rhett-butler/

    The more I study this candidate, the more I am convinced he may be the only one that has the skill, intelligence, and wherewithall to be impervious to the Alinsky tactics, the thievery and thuggery, and the left’s meagaphone of the media…and to boot he has the experience already and the history of success for doing again what the country needs….but this time just for the country to survive.

  88. ShortTermer
    November 19th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    The more I study this candidate, the more I am convinced he may be the only one that has the skill, intelligence, and wherewithall to be impervious to the Alinsky tactics, the thievery and thuggery, and the left’s meagaphone of the media…and to boot he has the experience already and the history of success for doing again what the country needs….but this time just for the country to survive
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    I was coming to that conclusion a few weeks ago. And I personally dislike him. I just attach his face to overreach. My memories from the early to mid-90s are very vague but I associate him with being about the same as Obama as far as tin-eared and an ideologue, except from the opposite side. But its an Anyone But Obama election and if he’s it, he’s it. Frankly, there needs to be some push from the opposite direction to undo the fucking chaos Obama has created.

  89. OccupyNews wrote:
    I totally agree about Glass Steagall being reinstated. However, is that really an excuse for the government to abdicate their role in home mortgages so that wall street and their “investors” could traipse in over the past 10 years and defraud homeowners with their balloon mortgage payment traps that were only offered so that the mortgage could be sliced into multiple securitization schemes that were resold to unsuspecting investors as being triple AAA rated.

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    I agree with your description of the mortgage scam and government’s negligence in allowing it, for which there is no excuse.

    But what to do now is not an either/or. Passing Glass-Steagall and reforms such as eliminating corporate personhood, will give the good politicians more power to correct the mortgage situation and to prevent such negligence in future.

    And what for OWS to publicize is not an either/or either. Imo it’s good to publicize ALL these issues. Publicizing the homeowners and students and unemployed people gets them involved, shows them that the problem is big and serious. Publicizing corporate personhood etc shows part of the solution (and publicizing which candidates got the most Wall St money, shows a simple part of the solution).

    Btw I hope you saw the good article that Jan posted about the student loans being a scam similar to the mortgage scam.

  90. Jan H., would student loans still be quicksand if the interest rates were severely reduced and would only accrue when the student was working, and payments would only need to be made when the student was working, with no new penalties or fees added in?

    Interest rate charges are the quicksand more so than the actual debt.

  91. OccupyNews.net
    November 19th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

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    You are absolutely right. Thank you for the correction.

  92. All these fishy debts should be cancelled at the debtor’s death, too, not be taken out of his estate. (Student debt expiring after c. 20 years would be good too.)

  93. OccupyNews.net,

    What I should say is that I think we are both right. To a high degree the too-high interest rates are the main issue. But the huge tuition rates in the first place are also a secondary issue.

    I do agree with your idea to “have interest rates severely reduced and only accrue when the student was working, and payments would only need to be made when the student was working, with no new penalties or fees added in.

    It would be a start in the right direction and is similar to the plan used in the seventies when I had my loans.

  94. blowme0bama
    November 19th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I don’t dislike him, but do remember Newt from the 1990’s. I must say that his transgressions may be no worse than some others, but oh how I long for the peace and prosperity of that time. I have also studied just how credible his rehabilitation may be; he says: he has matured and I believe that, he has made personal mistakes and is trying to live an example for his grandkids, he acknowledges his I will call it arrogance of the past, and all this while exuding confidence, intelligence, knowledge, he knows his History, and has the bulldogedness to match Obama. He is defiinitely results oriented; and oh would I love to see him and Obama debate………..All the ‘Kings’ men would never be able to put The Won back together again after Newt finished with him.

  95. Re: loans, there used to be ussery laws whereby loan sharks could not bite off an arm and a leg from a citizen. What ever happened to all the Good laws that were in effect when we were young?

    Student loans are problematic for today’s youth because:
    – youth today see no problem with getting the “best” at very inflated prices; Obama went to Columbia, other useless people went to Harvard,etc. Expensive universities do not provide a better outcome for society than any others
    – they do not ‘read’ what they are contracting for; or else think all will be undone in the future
    – they do not see it necessary to honor a contract which is what a loan is
    – they could have offset some of those college expenses by doing work study, or a part time job…they fail to see beyond the end of their nose
    – they think they can get something for nothing; the world owes them
    – there are scholarships and grants available; they just did not do their research, or else they were not academically inclined and could not qualify therefore they should never have received a loan for college to begin with

    The laws for student loans will have more of a strangle hold in the future as under this administrtion the Gubment now has control…and that is NEVER a good thing. I expect they will extract service in the Military or for the government in the future to make them good little soldiers all.

    I do feel bad for the students with the loans; but why oh why are there so many of them? I worked Work Study in College and earned $1.35 an hour; I also qualified for one scholarship, but you won’t find scholarships ‘Occupying’ any street.

  96. admin said:

    “Stunning silence is the goal. Distraction. If Occupy Wall Street was real wouldn’t they protest the White House? If Occupy Wall Street was real wouldn’t there be rage on the street protesting how Wall Street profits are made as top members of congress like Pelosi are trading stock on inside information?”
    _____________________

    Absolutely correct! Just returned from Dallas where the ODP have been disbanded by the locals and forbidden to return. The unseen traditional so called 99% prefer celebrating Thanksgiving unencumbered by negative energy fulminating during the Holidays-

    No one I know would have a problem with protesting in DC in front of the White House if necessary, till Kingdom Come- or Obama is run out of our WH- whichever comes first!

  97. Jesus I just lost my entire post. Can’t do it all again. But here is the deal. STFU students! My daughter worked her ass off to acquire the skills to become a DI basketball player while being an honor student while others chose to party. She graduated with honors again, got a job teaching science, got her masters in 1 1/2 years by taking advantage of scholarships, work provided incentives,add teaching full time, coaching full time, extra tutoring work ,and finding time to win the Teacher of the Year in her very first year.

    She is now working on her Doctorate in ED, Athletic Coordinator, coach, marathon runner, and paying her own way in addition to finding grants and other avenues .

    Put a fork in it. This conversation s done!

  98. To a high degree the too-high interest rates are the main issue. But the huge tuition rates in the first place are also a secondary issue.

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    Might they both be a symptom of the same bubble? That’s how it worked in the real estate bubble. The borrowers who were pressured into high interest rates, were also pressured into inflated purchase prices.

  99. From Forbes —

    Kain writes:
    All across the country, cops are cracking down on protesters with force. I may be a critic of Occupy Wall Street, but the police are public servants, and public servants have no business treating the public this way.

    Certainly pepper-spraying protesters while they sit calmly in a row like this is a gross abuse of power. It should have our collective blood boiling, whether or not we even agree with the protesters themselves.

  100. From the LA Times:

    “REPORTING FROM BEIRUT — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned Friday that Syria could plummet into a full-fledged civil war, echoing comments by her Russian counterpart a day earlier.

    “I think there could be a civil war with a very determined and well-armed and eventually well-financed opposition that is, if not directed by, certainly influenced by defectors from the army,” Clinton told NBC.

    The Syrian opposition says that growing numbers of army soldiers have been deserting and switching sides. Defectors say they have formed guerrilla units and are attacking government outposts. Some other Syrians have also taken up arms.

    “We’re already seeing that, something that we hate to see because we are in favor of a peaceful … protest and non-violent opposition,” said Clinton, who is in Indonesia for an ASEAN summit.

    A day earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters that Syria “already looks like a civil war.”

    Opposition groups seeking to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad do not welcome talk of civil war. Such predictions, they fear, play into the hands of the Syrian leader.

    His regime has endeavored to challenge the prevalent international narrative: the Syrian conflict as an instance of a ruthless government attacking peaceful, Arab Spring-inspired protesters seeking democracy. Assad says he sees the crisis differently, as a case of armed Islamist terrorists bent on imposing their will on a nation where diverse cultures and faiths have lived in relative harmony.

    Quite explicitly, Assad cast the uprising as a “struggle between Islamism and pan-Arabism [secularism]” in an interview last month with Britain’s Sunday Telegraph.

    For months, the Syrian president has been warning that chaos and violence would follow if his government collapsed: “Tens of Afghanistans,” as he told The Sunday Telegraph.

    “Any problem in Syria will burn the whole region,” he said.

    The message is directed at two audiences: foreign states worried about a further fractured and radicalized Middle East, and Syrian minorities terrified about potential sectarian bloodletting. Especially worried are members of Assad’s Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam, and Syria’s Christians. The latter group has taken note of the churches bombed in Iraq and burned in Egypt after the fall of secular leaders.”

    *******
    Important to note here is that HRC agrees with Russian evaluation of the situation, and the Russians should know because they have been deeply embedded in Syria for 50 or 60 years. What I don’t understand is why talk of civil war plays into the hands of Assad.

  101. re: [Hillary] Sympathizes With Penn State Students Who Rioted Over Paterno Firing
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    FWIW, I agree. They had no clue what was approaching. Paterno had resonated with them and they loved him. Then in a moment, that source of comfort was snatched away, and they experienced incredible outrage, grief.

    For me, that makes it understandable. However, there is no justification.

  102. Leanora
    November 20th, 2011 at 6:32 am

    Hillary misspoke sympathizing with the Penn Students without attribution and consideration for the victims in this tragedy. It would behoove her to amend her recent statement including her life long stand against child abuse pointing out if the charges against Paterno are proven true, it is an unforgivable breech of trust confirmed on role models working with children and adolescents. And punishment for crimes against children should be adjudicated swiftly and severely, if found guilty.

    Leanora, thanks for the link to Hillary’s statement. A marked improvement to the Jackwagon constantly posting Bill said this and Hillary said that, [out of context without a link to their full statements] in an effort to bolster it’s bilious, inane contradictory statements.

  103. Hillary Clinton cites ‘busy schedule’ to avoid criticizing GOP candidates’ credibility

    Washington, Nov 19 : US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has avoided criticizing the Republican 2012 presidential candidates about their ability to deal with a crisis efficiently, saying that she has not been ‘paying a lot of attention’ as she had been traveling quite often.

    On being asked by a journalist whether “any of these Republican president candidates are ready to answer the 3:00 a.m. phone call?”– a reference to Clinton’s 2008 campaign ad that implied that the former first lady was the most prepared to deal with a crisis, she said: “I haven’t been honestly paying a lot of attention.”

    “I’ve been a little busy. I’m on a lot of airplanes. I think I’ll just kind of wait ’til it plays itself out,” Politico quoted her, as saying.

    Clinton, who had earlier claimed that she would never run for presidential bid again, said that she is ‘happy to be out of politics.’

    http://www.newkerala.com/news/2011/worldnews-110125.html

  104. Bill Clinton Awarded “Champion of Peace” for Work Supporting Women

    Former President Bill Clinton has always been a supporter of the rights of women and girls. He was recently acknowledged as a champion for women at a gala hosted by Women for Women International, an organization that helps women survivors of war rebuild their lives. Women for Women International honored Clinton at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City presenting him with the “Champion of Peace” award.

    Through the Global Clinton Initiative, the former President and partners have created financial independence for women and girls, helped create sustainable jobs, worked to reduce the maternal morality rates, and worked to end violence and sexual violence against women in third world countries.

    Clinton accepted the award from Women for Women International with a joke– thanking supporters of women’s causes for trying to offset the mistakes of men, according to the Huffington Post.

    Women for Women International said of honoring Clinton, “President Clinton’s support of women and girls through Clinton Global Initiative has single-handedly shifted the discussion from a marginal to a central discussion essential to world stability and success. His personal passion and commitment on the issue has touched many hearts and led to much action and his dedication to bringing real change has led to a solid impact on women’s well-being through corporations and NGO action.”

    Clinton was not alone at the Women for Women International gala. He was accompanied by one of the many strong women in his life, one that he helped create, his daughter, Chelsea. Clinton spoke about the continued empowerment of women, the liberation of men, and about the strong women in his own life. He thanked and applauded the organizer and the audience for the work that has already been done for women, but pushed for more progress on global health and education initiatives.

    “What [we’re] trying to do here is change the behavior of history. If we do it together, we’ll still make some mistakes, but we’ll be stumbling in the right direction,” said Clinton.

    Women for Women International was founded by Zainab Salbi, an Iraqi refugee, in 1993 while working with women in war torn Bosnia and Herzegovina. The organization has impacted more than 1.7 million family members around the world by distributing more than $103 million in direct aid and micro credit loans to women in need.

    The “Champion of Peace” award is given out annually by the organization. This year, Bill Clinton, joins former “Champion of Peace” award recipients Mary J. Blige, and Jennifer and Peter Buffett.

    http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/11/18/bill-clinton-awarded-champion-of-peace-for-work-supporting-women/

  105. Leanora
    November 20th, 2011 at 6:32 am
    I don’t often criticize Hillary; and I never criticize her on this site. It is named for her. But come on folks – why did she say such a dumb thing?
    ——————————————————–

    To sympathize is to understand the feelings of another.

    For example in a divorce, children often are angry at the mother who divorced a philandering father and their feelings are understandable. We have sympathy for their pain, but that doesn’t mean we believe the mother to be wrong.
    And that’s really all Clinton said: that she understands how the kids feel – she feels their pain.

  106. BREAKING NEWS: Super Committee trying to decide how they are going to announce there is no ageement.

    What do we pay them for. Better Yet, this is when you lead, and the President’s failure to lead becomes to eviden. He will say it is their failure, but he really does not understand the job.

    Leadership in the White House is badly needed.

  107. Uppity Woman
    November 20th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Jeebus- are there enough hours in the day for checking and rechecking quotes when it comes to Hillary?

    The opportunists take far and full advantage of either not reporting the full story accurately or using the Clinton brand for holding sway embolding their prejudices and polemics.

  108. Mrs. Smith
    November 20th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Not referring to you, Leanora- in the above post. I fault WZ for that clunker!

  109. His disapproval rating is fluctuating from the low 6″s to today at -4.7.
    I am concerned that he has steadily risen from the -10 percent a few months ago
    and is under 50 percent disapproval. I believe he is about even with Romney
    In most polls. We must hope that the current noise about Mitt not being a true conservative yields to the more practical concept of defeating Obama. I saw an article from Krauthamer discussing this.

  110. Wow, I go away for a few hours and come back to lots of juicy stuff on the news sites:

    Michelle Obama booed at a Nascar Race
    Chris Matthews going off on a tirade against Obama
    Rham Emanual coming out of the woodwork to attack Romney and the Republican field
    Israel saying it might be time to take on Iran
    Deficit cutting supercommittee may not make deadline…

    Lots to discuss and ponder….

  111. Is Paterno actually facing charges? I have pretty much avoided the story but in the bits and pieces I have read the claim was made that Paterno did report
    what he was told to one or two college officials.

    Is there newer information about Paterno? I suppose if the alleged behavior is provent to be true, and that it then continued, then Paterno definitely has some explaining to do.

  112. Obama, unsatisfied with disappointing occupation results, is ramping up the ante from Occupiers to Flash Mobs, hoping to provoke enough Americans protecting property, life and limb into Civil War throughout America.
    _______________________

    Aaron Klein is predicting that soon we will have to include the Occupy movement as an official domestic terrorist group. Watch for ACTION DAY- Dec 10th-
    _________________

    New Occupy plot: Flash mobs. ‘Alternative forms of protest’ put cities, cops at disadvantage

    The Occupy movement is stepping up its confrontational tactics, plotting “alternative forms of protest,” including flash mobs that can be deployed nationwide.

    Citing the success of last week’s so-called Day of Action protests, Take to the Square, one of Occupy’s main online planning forums, has devised an “Alternative Day of Action” to coincide with international Human Rights Day on Dec. 10.

    “Our freedom and dignity are under attack as a result of market dynamics and corrupt government institutions that are turning our local and global societies into increasingly unjust places,” the site complains.

    The Occupy forum calls for “alternative forms of protest” and “new forms of action with a creative spirit.”

    Among the proposed actions: “We can organize public forums, workshops and flash-mobs; we can promote the movement at local schools and neighborhoods or get in contact with humanitarian organizations working with the same goals.”

    http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/11/20/flashmobs/
    ___________

    Last week, after visiting the ‘not too shy’ all American families in Texas, most of them T-Partyers Re: Obama, we are all on the same page. We got along famously! They want him gone as much as we do.
    _____________

    Perry sounds the dog-whistle… Bush passed a Bill early on during his presidency enabling Congress to work and vote from their residences/offices rather than physically voting in Washington… it’s only a matter of time before all Hell breaks loose to our way of life..

    Perry: Part-Time Congress Part of ‘Overhaul’

    h… w.. texasinsider.org/?p=55582

  113. Chris Matthews “I hear stories you would not believe…” spill it Tingles….inquiring minds want to know…..

  114. Paterno should have had someone contact the boy’s parents when his reports to college officials went by the wayside. Jurisdiction is a flimsy excuse when parents are children’s first and best line of defense.

  115. AmericanGal
    November 20th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    I replayed the last 2 sec of that video several times and couldn’t make out what Matthews was saying. The interviewer’s voice was talking over him when he was saying something about “you wouldn’t believe what I heard is going on”…

  116. 27 year old arrested for builing bombs

    CNN……now

    Authorities have arrested a man they claim was plotting to detonate pipe bombs in New York City. The suspect allegedly was following directions from Inspire Magazine, an Al Qaeda-based on-line publication that shows how to build a bomb. FULL STORY

  117. Perry sounds the dog-whistle… Bush passed a Bill early on during his presidency enabling Congress to work and vote from their residences/offices rather than physically voting in Washington… it’s only a matter of time before all Hell breaks loose to our way of life..

    _______________________________________________-

    Hell, a better idea was to REQUIRE them to work and vote from their residences / offices and PROHIBIT them from voting in Washington DC. Then they’d have to face their constituency immediately and be less subject to arm-twisting deals by their party bosses.

  118. hilarious:

    “An airplane was about to crash; there were 5 passengers on board, but only 4 parachutes.

    The first passenger, Sarah Palin said, “I have my own reality show and I am (almost)
    the smartest woman in American history, so America’s people don’t want me to die.”

    She took the first pack and jumped out of the plane.

    The second passenger, John McCain, said, “I’m a Senator, and a decorated war hero from an elite Navy unit from the United States of America”. So he grabbed the second pack and jumped.

    The third passenger, Barack Obama said, “I am the President of the United States and I am the smartest ever in the history of our country, some even call me the ‘Anointed One.’

    So he grabbed the pack next to him and jumped
    out.

    The fourth passenger, Billy Graham said to the fifth passenger, a 10-year-old schoolgirl, “I have lived a full life and served my God the best I could. I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute.”

    The little girl said, “That’s okay Mr.Graham. There’s a parachute left for you.. America’s smartest President took my schoolbag.”

    LOVE IT! 🙂

  119. blowme0bama
    November 20th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Too Late Now!

    The intent of voting from elsewhere besides DC was never to make critters available to their constituency by proximity. The intent is if chaos reigns throughout the country as is expected soon from this president; government will run in a virtual mode/reality until the country is safe again for traveling for all concerned.

    We most likely will be stranded like beached whales where ever we are when the curtain comes down. Obama backslapping Ayers and Van Jones for a job well done steering the occupying dupes in place and using campaign money for paying provocateurs and flash-mobbers for terrorizing Americans!

    I really believe elections will be suspended indefinitely- By next March, his poll numbers will be 29 and plummeting..

  120. Shadowfax
    November 20th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
    Tingles off the kool aid and bashing Barry.

    ———-

    Wow! damning words. I wish he would do a tell all.

  121. “Matthews: Obamas Don’t Like Being In White House; Michelle Not Happy”…

    ——————

    Well gosh darn, something we agree with at last. Why don’t they just pack their bags and move back to the idiot’s birthplace…wherever that is.

  122. Tingles off the kool aid and bashing Barry.

    =======================

    Olbrerman is getting pretty close to it. Interviewing Moore on a ‘special comment’, KO kept hinting that Obama was behind the simultaneous police crackdowns on OWS, or at least was condoning them, and lending federal resources (Homeland Sec etc).

  123. If a doctor prescribed the wrong medicine for you, you would blame yourself for taking it right? Explain how that is different from a government sanctioned banking institute approving a loan for a homeowner after the homeowner had to submit countless applications.

    ==================

    Right. Here’s a doctor metaphor on a different subject.

    About the demands for OWS to make some demands. 😉 OWS is just diagnosing a problem. It’s up to experts to prescribe the remedies.

    OWS is going a little further than just: “It hurts here and here” — ie unemployment, foreclosures, etc.

    They’re like a patient who says: “There’s something wrong with my heart. Not enough circulation in my arms and legs, chest congested, feel dizzy when I stand up.”

    That tells the doctor where to look for the trouble. But the patient isn’t required to say whether the heart failure is ischemic or non-ischemic or other details — much less is the patient required to prescribe particular medicines.

    Wall St should be like the heart of the economy: keeping money circulating where it will do the most good. OWS is pointing out that the problem is that Wall St isn’t circulating money as it should: the money is all collecting right there, bloating.

  124. Toward the end of the video, Matthews said that the Obamas don’t like being in the White House. Shortly after they moved in, I also felt that they simply didn’t like being in the White House. In the last fifty years, the Obamas are the only first couple that I felt wasn’t proud and thrilled to be there. In fact, I get the feeling that they are happiest when they can go somewhere, anywhere but the White House.

    ………….

    also today, i’m seeing yet another push for Obama not to run next year and for Hillary to be handed the nomination.

  125. From the NY Post:

    A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned. The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/wall_street_cra_pad_s31YWPjPTt0TYuxLGnu7IK
    THANKS to NYPost and WPIX TV this morning for airing the fact of Dutro’s digs
    ABC is droning on about the police brutality.
    ###############################
    A suggestion for another Occupy movement from one of the social media sites:
    There is something terribly wrong with a country where our patriotism is measured by buying things — most of which are made in China — our allegience to at least one sports team, and treating Thanksgiving as the launch day for a season of overeating, overdrinking, and overspending. It ‘s time, at least, for an OCCUPY THE HOLIDAYS movement! Me oh my, I won’t buy!
    #############################
    And then my own [anti] Occupy movement spawned by the fact that sitting Pennsylvania Senator Robert Casey Jr. has launched an email petition effort protesting Republicans who are not cooperating with BO. Now that we have both executive and legislative branches working to influence public opinion, my protest is against the 24/7 movement for Obama to Re-Occupy the WH. Shall I call it “Occupy This”?
    Knowing how ‘in you face’ both he and Michelle can be, I’d not be surprised to see them move out of the WH upon being given a second term. Leave the living quarters empty. Charge nation for moving expenses and rental to a property of their choice.

  126. CAMPAIGN 2012

    Democratic Pollsters: Obama Should Abandon Run for Second Term

    President Obama should abandon his run for a second term and turn over the reins of the Democratic Party to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, two one-time Democratic pollsters wrote in Monday’s Wall Street Journal, which appeared online Sunday.

    Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen argued that just as Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson decided not to pursue additional runs though they could have, Obama should do the same.

    “He should abandon his candidacy for re-election in favor of a clear alternative, one capable not only of saving the Democratic Party, but more important, of governing effectively and in a way that preserves the most important of the president’s accomplishments. He should step aside for the one candidate who would become, by acclamation, the nominee of the Democratic Party: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,”Caddell and Schoen wrote.

    Caddell, who worked as a pollster for President Jimmy Carter, and Schoen, who was a pollster for President Bill Clinton, argue that Obama will inevitably have to run a negative campaign in order to win reelection, the negative consequences of which will make it difficult for him to govern effectively.

    “One year ago in these pages, we warned that if President Obama continued down his overly partisan road, the nation would be ‘guaranteed two years of political gridlock at a time when we can ill afford it.’ The result has been exactly as we predicted: stalemate in Washington, fights over the debt ceiling, an inability to tackle the debt and deficit, and paralysis exacerbating market turmoil and economic decline,” they write.

    Caddell and Schoen say they write as “patriots and Democrats” who are concerned for their country, and they do not expect to play a direct role in any possible Clinton campaign.

    This is not the first time Caddell and Schoen have made this argument. They wrote in November 2010 in The Washington Post that they “do not come to this conclusion lightly. But it is clear, we believe, that the president has largely lost the consent of the governed.”

    http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/democratic-pollsters-obama-should-abandon-run-for-second-term-20111120
    ____________

    George said:

    “…the president has largely lost the consent of the governed…”

    Unheard of American Flag Removals
    Obamacare
    Guantanamo
    Still in Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan
    Anti-Israel
    Fast and Furious – Assault Weapons to Drug Cartels
    TARP/Stimulus/Bank Bailouts & Executive Bonuses
    Solyandra/Goldman-Sachs
    Libya without congressional approval
    Opaque Government
    No Plan – New Normal – Status Quo of 9%
    High Unemployment
    Open Mexican Border
    Still in NAFTA/GATT – Losing Jobs
    Fights Domestic Energy Production – Coal, Pipelines, Oil Exploration

    The list goes on and on….

  127. http://nymag.com/news/media/arianna-huffington-2011-11/index1.html

    Ariana Huffington flees the Obama coop too…………

    Huffington says now that she is disappointed in Obama and could even see herself voting Republican in the next presidential election. “To me,” she says, “the issues are more important than the party.” She pauses. “Trust me, I realize how hard it is to change the system, but Obama has demonstrated only the fierce urgency of sometime later, and at the same time the middle class is under assault”—she smiles—“which is of course the topic of my last book.”

    ……………………..

    are the hopium media whores all waking up.

  128. In what is bound to make Obama and the Dems shit themselves

    http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/11/michigan-romney-edges-obama.html

    A new EPIC-MRA poll shows Mitt Romney with a 46%-41% lead over Barack Obama in Michigan.

    Romney’s showing isn’t terribly unexpected, considering it’s one of his pseudo-home states, but Obama won there by 17% in 2008 and 16 electoral votes are up for grab there.

    Some key take-aways:

    a. Romney leads among indies by 7% and does 5% better with Dems than Obama does with R’s.

    b. Romney wins men by 8% and actually edges Obama among women by 2%. Mitt has done well with women during this entire cycle, but that’s a truly impressive result.

    In fact, he does 15% better with women than Newt (Obama fares much better in other head-to-heads. He leads Gingrich 45%-40% and Herman Cain, 50%-36%).

    c. Obama wins the union vote, 53%-39%, while Romney wins non-union members by 10%.

    So why is Obama struggling so much in the state?

    Despite the auto bailout’s success, residents still think he’s doing a bad job as president. 62% think he’s doing poorly or “just fair”, while only 37% approve of him.

    Meanwhile, by 21%, residents don’t think Michigan is on the right track.

    This isn’t the first poll to show Mitt doing well against Barack. A July survey found the exact same 46%-41% lead for him, and interestingly enough, the state was one of just ten where Romney outraised Obama last quarter.

  129. sorry, dont like the guy but this made me laugh…

    Gingrich to Occupy Wall St: ‘Go get a job right after you take a bath’…

  130. Obama MIA again…..

    http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/judd-gregg/194747-where-in-the-world-is-obama

    The president was in Hawaii while the supercommittee hit stall speed. What is new about this? Very little.

    Throughout his term, President Obama has avoided leading on the issue of fiscal responsibility. He walked away from his own commission, the one led by former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) and former White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, when he found its report filled with inconvenient choices.

    Now in a week when leadership is needed to push this critical committee to do something big and bring the nation’s fiscal house back into order, the president once again disappears. It causes one to wonder, why?

    The general consensus is that neither he nor the people around him feel there is a great upside to doing something that involves making so many difficult decisions to straighten out our nation’s fiscal future.

    Like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), he sees no real need to move in this direction. After all, any significant action would require fixing Social Security; overhauling taxes; returning to healthcare reform, especially as it affects Medicare and Medicaid; and, most importantly, agreeing not just to slow growth of the federal government but in fact to reduce it.

    There is no great concern at the White House that our government is getting too large. They look at Europe — where governments routinely absorb 30 percent to 40 percent of the economy — and believe we can certainly have the same, especially considering that higher taxes will inevitably follow such a growth, maybe even a value-added tax. As far as the White House is concerned, the taxing potential of our nation has miles to go.

    So why would you wish to rein in the growth of the federal government — and power that comes with that growth — if you wish to pursue social justice agendas?

    This idea of expanded government meshes perfectly with the message of class warfare that has been chosen as the course to reelection for Obama and his minions in Congress. After all, the only effective way to deal with class envy and create a truly divided nation is to take from those who are deemed to have too much and redistribute that take. And who better to choose how to redistribute than the elite of the left, who have flocked to the battlements of expanding government, demanding permission to choose the winners and losers in our society?

    It might be an old and tired idea that has not done much to create general prosperity, but it has always done a lot to empower the few to tell the many how to live their lives. It concentrates power, which is, of course, what growing government is mostly about.

    The irony at this time is that while the president does not lead he might be missing his best chance at reelection.

    It is reasonably clear that the American people are tired of a Congress that does not work and a president who does not lead. They expect more from the people they elect. Even in Italy, the governing class seems to have gotten the message that it is time to act and that the march toward large debt through expanded and unaffordable government is not politically acceptable. It is difficult to believe we might need to turn to the Italians for ideas on how to govern, but without presidential leadership we seem to have come to that point.

    The advantages to the president of visibly trying to move this process to a major agreement that would restore some confidence in our nation’s fiscal future are tremendous.

    First, such an agreement would give the nation and people a massive confidence boost. This in turn would lead to a real potential for economic growth as a result of Americans going back to doing what they do best — which is invest, take risks and create jobs.

    Second, it would eliminate one of the most effective charges Republicans can make against the president and his allies, which is that he has significantly aggravated the nation’s fiscal problems through profligate spending.

    Third, it would show Obama as a leader, rather than a person who seemingly got a job he was not ready to do. Americans like leaders. Class warfare has never been a majority position in our country — the American dream is not based on envy but on the belief that as a nation we are capable of taking on and solving problems, usually in a united manner.

    It might be a nice change of pace to see a little leadership from the president, even if it means he has to put aside his desire to see the government grow long enough to help himself get reelected and help Americans feel good about their government again.

  131. moon 11:51

    I read the reason the BOOs sounded muffled in the video is because there was deliberate manipulation of the video with noise for the playback.

    Today’s pics at yahoo show the Amazon wearing headphones. (la la la, I can’t hear you!)

  132. Tingles, Ogreman, HuffnPuff doing about face on The Won? Don’t believe it. Admin has it exactly right, again and again, AGE of FAKE. They have to do something to get attention and draw in readers/viewers.Believe it when Pigolis and Hairless Reid are documented on video with great intensity saying that they have abandoned The Won.

    Schoen and Caddell can be believed imho.

  133. Hypocrisy abounds!

    11-20-11

    More Soros fingerprints. Globalist elite 1-Percenters partnered with GOOD Worldwide to promote #OccupyWallStreet insurgency

    By Brenda J. Elliott

    The elitist-focused GOOD Worldwide, which calls itself a “platform for influentials and cultural creatives that engages them in thought and action around the ideas, people and businesses moving our world forward,” enthusiastically supports the Occupy Wall Street insurgents.

    Before addressing the GOOD-OWS relationship, let’s take a look at GOOD itself.

    A privately-held media company, the Los Angeles-based GOOD Worldwide LLC has been around since 2006. You may not have heard much about it unless you’re a college-educated, Starbucks coffee-drinking and WiFi-using, New York Times-reading, card-carrying progressive.

    (btw- Hillary is a centrist)

    On its curiously Icelandic-registered website, good.is, GOOD describes itself thusly:

    Call it a new party, call it a 21st century collaboration, call it an army, call it your new home. Or just call it GOOD.

    We are people, businesses, moms, kids, artists, organizations, policymakers, students, teachers, and engineers. All united in one simple idea, each elevated by being connected. Let’s do what works and never default to what doesn’t. Join us, and together we’ll power what works.

    This is just more innocent-sounding Marxist-speak Orwellian say-nothingness.

    What we really want to know is: who or what is behind GOOD? GOOD’s website provides little-to-no information.

    The Wikipedia reports that GOOD magazine was founded by then-26-year-old Benjamin Goldhirsh, who “decided to create a magazine dedicated to social causes. Eschewing experienced editors, he hired friends from college and high school, including Al Gore’s son, Al Gore III.” Goldhirsh is the son of entrepreneur and Inc. and Sail magazine creator, the late Bernard A. Goldhirsh.

    Goldhirsh, who co-founded GOOD with Max Schorr and Casey Caplowe, started GOOD using $2.5 million from his own trust fund after becoming “mind-bogglingly wealthy” from an inheritance left by his father.

    Goldhirsh serves on the board of directors of The Goldhirsh Foundation, which supports “social programs, environmental initiatives, innovative medical research and leading cultural institutions.”

    He also serves on the boards of Be The Change, which launched Service Nation, and Millenium Promise, an organization founded in 2005 by Jeffrey Sachs, director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University.

    Other Millenium Promise board members include Sachs and Stewart Paperin, executive vice president of the Open Society Institute and president of the Soros Economic Development Fund.

    Partners in the Millenium Promise — an organization “guided by the UN’s Millenium Development goals to end global poverty by 2025 — include billionaire philanthropist George Soros’s Open Society Foundations, the Soros Economic Development Fund, Soros Foundations Network, and The Goldhirsh Foundation.

    The U.N.’s Millenium Project is also run by Jeffrey Sachs, who “says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased foreign aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already spends.”

    As KleinOnline reported on September 12, before the occupation of Wall Street began, Sachs wrote in the UK’s Guardian that the “Robin Hood tax’s time has come. Spending cuts are not the way out of the financial crisis – taxing financiers’ transactions is a fairer way to redistribute wealth.”

    By any other name, this is a global tax, a global redistribution of wealth from the so-called haves to the so-called have-nots.

    When the U.N. announced it would move on to the second phase of its African anti-poverty Millenium Villages Project, Soros contributed $27.4 million of the $72 million of new pledges. An additional $20 million was “set aside for future loans from the Soros Economic Development Fund for business investments.”

    Sachs also serves on the advisory council at Soros’s Institute for New Echonomic Thinking, or INET.

    INET is an organization literally seeking to reorganize the entire global economic system, KleinOnline revealed.

    GOOD’s president since 2008, according to Businessweek.com, is Craig Shapiro, founder and CEO at Collaborative Fund, a New York-based private equity fund. (More about Shaprio’s Soros-connected predecessor below.)

    Goldhirsh also serves on the Collaborative Fund board.

    Another Soros connection

    As KleinOnline reported September 22, the newly-appointed chief of Obama’s Social Innovation and Civic Participation Council doubles as the director of a social justice group funded by George Soros.

    In 2009, Jonathan Greenblatt — an Obama 2008 campaign contributor — worked with the Technology and Innovation Working Group within the Obama/Biden transition team.

    Early in 2008, Greenblatt became GOOD’s CEO, taking the title from Goldhirsh himself.

    Greenblatt was an anlyst for the Clinton for President campaign and Clinton-Gore Victory in 1992. He served as an aide in the Clinton White House 1993-1997.

    He is the co-founder and former CEO of Ethos Water, 2002-2011, which he sold to Starbucks for $8 million in 2005.

    In addition to his current White House position, Greenblatt serves as director of the Impact Economy Initiative at the Soros-funded Aspen Institute.

    Greenblatt is also the founder of All for Good, a website that “lists volunteer activities from around the country by collecting feeds from sites like meetup.com, idealist.org, and newyorkcares.com.”

    Forbes.com wrote in December 2010:

    Greenblatt recruited volunteers from Google, YouTube, UCLA and elsewhere–a mix of software engineers, marketing managers, product developers and designers–to help build the site. He raised money from the Gap Foundation, Target and Google. Google incubated the project and several Google engineers worked on All for Good as a 20-percent project—a company perk that allows engineers to spend a day a week on projects that interest them. Today All for Good powers serve.gov, the service-focused web site of the Corporation for the National and Community Service, a federal agency.

    Greenblatt’s tie-in with UCLA comes from five years as a faculty member of the UCLA Anderson School of Management, 2006-2011.

    He also has a tie-in with Starbucks Coffee Company dating to 2005-2006, when he worked as vice president of consumer products and served on the Starbucks Foundation board of directors.

    Additionally, Greenblatt is a senior advisor to the X-Prize Foundation. (KleinOnline has reported on others involved with X-Prize here and here.)

    KleinOnline also reported Greenblatt is a member of the globalist group Pacific Council on International Policy, or PCIP. He previously chaired PCIP’s energy and environment committee and served on its globalization committee.

    The PCIP was founded in 1995 in partnership with the Council on Foreign Relations.

    info about the Jumo connection at link:

    http://klein.wp.wnd.com/2011/11/20/blog-ows-hypocrisy-abounds-more-soros-fingerprints-globalist-elite-1-percenters-partnered-with-good-worldwide-to-promote-occupywallstreet-insurgency/

  134. oday’s pics at yahoo show the Amazon wearing headphones. (la la la, I can’t hear you!)
    ================
    lol

  135. moon

    moononpluto
    November 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am
    http://nymag.com/news/media/arianna-huffington-2011-11/index1.html

    Ariana Huffington flees the Obama coop too…………

    Huffington says now that she is disappointed in Obama and could even see herself voting Republican in the next presidential election. “To me,” she says, “the issues are more important than the party.” She pauses. “Trust me, I realize how hard it is to change the system, but Obama has demonstrated only the fierce urgency of sometime later, and at the same time the middle class is under assault”—she smiles—“which is of course the topic of my last book.”

    ……………………..

    are the hopium media whores all waking up.

    ———-

    I have been hearing the same from may obots that got tired of waiting”………………..
    ……….and………..waiting……for Dear Leader to do something he promised……
    and THREE years later finally realize they were dooped. Most of their hair catches on fire when I say I will vote for Satan if need be to get him out of the Oval.
    Then they all think I mean Perry or Bachman….but neither of them will win the nomination.

    They think the worst I should do is stay home and not vote…….as if this woman would give up her vote for anyone…..no way.

  136. moononpluto
    November 21st, 2011 at 11:57 am

    THE NEXT STEP FOR EUROPE: Merkel Will Press Obama And The Fed To Help Bail Out The Eurozone to the tune of $1 trillion.

    ………………………

    If he dares, he better submit his resignation at the same time

    __________________________________________________________________-

    Why would that be any different than any of the 100+ destructive things the American-hating boob has done that Big Media won’t report?

  137. “THE NEXT STEP FOR EUROPE: Merkel Will Press Obama And The Fed To Help Bail Out The Eurozone to the tune of $1 trillion.”
    ********
    What little information that Bernie Sanders could get from the Bernake and Timmy; at least $16 trillion has gone to US and Foreign banks and financial institutions since Obama took office. $3 trillion was given away during Bush II; so probably more than $20 trillion has gone down a rat hole. Obama’s BFFs such as Blankfein, Dimon, Black, etc. have made billions and all that they had to do was bundle a few hundred thousand for Barry. Best ROI, ever!!

  138. Hey kids! This one says it all. Great to see it in print in the WSJ too!

    • NOVEMBER 21, 2011
    The Hillary Moment
    President Obama can’t win by running a constructive campaign, and he won’t be able to govern if he does win a second term.

    By PATRICK H. CADDELL 
AND DOUGLAS E. SCHOEN
    When Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson accepted the reality that they could not effectively govern the nation if they sought re-election to the White House, both men took the moral high ground and decided against running for a new term as president. President Obama is facing a similar reality—and he must reach the same conclusion.
    He should abandon his candidacy for re-election in favor of a clear alternative, one capable not only of saving the Democratic Party, but more important, of governing effectively and in a way that preserves the most important of the president’s accomplishments. He should step aside for the one candidate who would become, by acclamation, the nominee of the Democratic Party: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
    Never before has there been such an obvious potential successor—one who has been a loyal and effective member of the president’s administration, who has the stature to take on the office, and who is the only leader capable of uniting the country around a bipartisan economic and foreign policy.
    Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president’s political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.
    Put simply, it seems that the White House has concluded that if the president cannot run on his record, he will need to wage the most negative campaign in history to stand any chance. With his job approval ratings below 45% overall and below 40% on the economy, the president cannot affirmatively make the case that voters are better off now than they were four years ago. He—like everyone else—knows that they are worse off.
    President Obama is now neck and neck with a generic Republican challenger in the latest Real Clear Politics 2012 General Election Average (43.8%-43.%). Meanwhile, voters disapprove of the president’s performance 49%-41% in the most recent Gallup survey, and 63% of voters disapprove of his handling of the economy, according to the most recent CNN/ORC poll.
    Consequently, he has to make the case that the Republicans, who have garnered even lower ratings in the polls for their unwillingness to compromise and settle for gridlock, represent a more risky and dangerous choice than the current administration—an argument he’s clearly begun to articulate.
    One year ago in these pages, we warned that if President Obama continued down his overly partisan road, the nation would be “guaranteed two years of political gridlock at a time when we can ill afford it.” The result has been exactly as we predicted: stalemate in Washington, fights over the debt ceiling, an inability to tackle the debt and deficit, and paralysis exacerbating market turmoil and economic decline.
    If President Obama were to withdraw, he would put great pressure on the Republicans to come to the table and negotiate—especially if the president singularly focused in the way we have suggested on the economy, job creation, and debt and deficit reduction. By taking himself out of the campaign, he would change the dynamic from who is more to blame—George W. Bush or Barack Obama?—to a more constructive dialogue about our nation’s future.
    Even though Mrs. Clinton has expressed no interest in running, and we have no information to suggest that she is running any sort of stealth campaign, it is clear that she commands majority support throughout the country. A CNN/ORC poll released in late September had Mrs. Clinton’s approval rating at an all-time high of 69%—even better than when she was the nation’s first lady. Meanwhile, a Time Magazine poll shows that Mrs. Clinton is favored over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by 17 points (55%-38%), and Texas Gov. Rick Perry by 26 points (58%-32%).
    But this is about more than electoral politics. Not only is Mrs. Clinton better positioned to win in 2012 than Mr. Obama, but she is better positioned to govern if she does. Given her strong public support, she has the ability to step above partisan politics, reach out to Republicans, change the dialogue, and break the gridlock in Washington.
    President Bill Clinton reached a historic agreement with the Republicans in 1997 that led to a balanced budget. Were Mrs. Clinton to become the Democratic nominee, her argument would almost certainly have to be about reconciliation and about an overarching deal to rein in the federal deficit. She will understand implicitly the need to draw up a bipartisan plan with elements similar to her husband’s in the mid-to-late ’90s—entitlement reform, reform of the Defense Department, reining in spending, all the while working to preserve the country’s social safety net.
    Having unique experience in government as first lady, senator and now as Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton is more qualified than any presidential candidate in recent memory, including her husband. Her election would arguably be as historic an event as the election of President Obama in 2008.
    By going down the re-election road and into partisan mode, the president has effectively guaranteed that the remainder of his term will be marred by the resentment and division that have eroded our national identity, common purpose, and most of all, our economic strength. If he continues on this course it is certain that the 2012 campaign will exacerbate the divisions in our country and weaken our national identity to such a degree that the scorched-earth campaign that President George W. Bush ran in the 2002 midterms and the 2004 presidential election will pale in comparison.
    We write as patriots and Democrats—concerned about the fate of our party and, most of all, our country. We do not write as people who have been in contact with Mrs. Clinton or her political operation. Nor would we expect to be directly involved in any Clinton campaign.
    If President Obama is not willing to seize the moral high ground and step aside, then the two Democratic leaders in Congress, Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, must urge the president not to seek re-election—for the good of the party and most of all for the good of the country. And they must present the only clear alternative—Hillary Clinton.

  139. Gingrich to Occupy Wall St: ‘Go get a job right after you take a bath’…

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    I doubt if Gingrich himself is really clueless enough to say that people protesting 9%+ unemployment should eat cake, er, get a job. And he probably knows that most of the OWS marchers are decent clean people behaving well.

    But this shows that he’s trying to appeal to some pretty clueless voters, who do believe those things. Not much of a seasoned, moderate, constructive problem solver there.

  140. moononpluto

    November 21st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    from what i heard, the booing was so loud, it drowned her out.
    _______________

    An audience of 500,000 people listening to the parasitic drone of a ner’do well pretending she belongs in the WH-

    pffft!

  141. “If President Obama is not willing to seize the moral high ground and step aside, then the two Democratic leaders in Congress, Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, must urge the president not to seek re-election—for the good of the party and most of all for the good of the country. And they must present the only clear alternative—Hillary Clinton.”
    ________________

    And what if he tells them to go to hell? What then?

  142. CNBC Has Confirmed That A Statement Will Be Coming Shortly Stating That The Super Committee Has Failed To Reach An Agreement

  143. Since when did Barry give a ratsa$$ about doing the right thing for American or any of the folks in it, that is except for his peeps and his entitled friends and wife.

    Barry will only step aside if his wild spending and sports activities are curbed or if he has something more fun and better paid to turn to.

    He has to be ridden out of town on the backs of the lame donkey’s that drug him there.

  144. Obama says “many Democrats” were willing to make the tough choices, but not enough Republicans were

    …………………………

    Yeah, we aint seen any of those “many democrats”…..please do name them for the record.

  145. Apparently the money missing from Corzines Firm MF Global is actually double first thought, $1.2 billion dollars is missing from accounts.

  146. lol, good description……

    Obama: “It’s the Republicans’ fault that the debt deal collapsed. Because of their failure to agree to a ‘balanced approach,’ they have chosen to bring hardship and dispair to America. They also refuse to agree to raise taxes on the rich…”

    “They are not off the hook. I will veto any bill that delays or cancels the automatic $1.3 trillion cuts on Jan 1, 2013… I expect the Congress to get back to work after Thanksgiving. There will be no easy off ramps to this situation.”

    **Turns and stalks-off the stage, scowling** **no questions allowed **

    it’s all the Republicans’ fault, folks.

    …………………………………

    This from the man who pisses off on holiday every chance he gets and went awol during every crisis so far.

  147. lol from blogs….

    “I must have been in hibernation when Obama passed a detailed deficit-reduction plan when Dems had 60 Senate votes.”

  148. Obama says “many Democrats” were willing to make the tough choices, but not enough Republicans were

    …………………………

    Yeah, we aint seen any of those “many democrats”…..please do name them for the record.

    ===============

    Right. Even Pelosi tried to protect the safety net.

  149. Sen. Harry Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, must urge the president not to seek re-election—for the good of the party and most of all for the good of the country. And they must present the only clear alternative—Hillary Clinton.”
    ________________

    And what if he tells them to go to hell? What then?

    ================

    Pelosi rigged the 2008 convention for Obama. She could rig the 2012 convention against him. If she had the guts.

  150. Yah, Turndownobama 6:32

    Remember when the count started and H was ahead. She haulted the proceedings and started it all over again from the rooms. Funny, O was leading from the start.

  151. The Clintons would never take part in anything resembling rigging the nomination. You don’t soil your hands dealing with trash like Pelosi or Reid when you can do things fair and square and WIN…

    You lay down with dogs, you go home with fleas-

    Amazed, something like that would be suggested here.

  152. trafe-

    WalMart’s boneless smoked ham, advertised as “Great for Chanukah” may well be the ultimate trafe, maybe-

  153. I am almost convinced Hillary will be the democratic nominee. Why?

    I read today that Arianna Huffington is disappointed with Obama and thinks she may go back to being a republican. That’s just her cover story imo, she is really just getting into position to oppose Hillary again.

  154. New financial sanctions for Iran: Hillary Clinton

    Nov. 21 – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announces new measures to increase pressure on Iran in response to a recent report by the International Atomic Energy Agency suggesting Iran has worked on designing an atomic bomb. Iran says its nuclear work is entirely peaceful.

  155. I am surprised that more Pinkers are not hopping mad that the ‘Super doofers comittee” failed big time to make an agreement and is willing to just walk away and wait for the automatic triggers to go off.

    What a waste of time and congress should all be fired!

  156. TeeVee news gave the typical coverage of the Super Committee – called it not Super. Called it partisan. Showed Obama’s latest lecture and told of how defense and entitlements will bear the brunt of their inaction. So, perhaps this by Phil Kerpen will be worthy of some consideration. Since it is yet another link from FoxNews (who else will tell another side?), I’ve included what wikileaks has on him: Kerpen is a vice president at Americans for Prosperity.[1] Until June 23, 2006, he was Policy Director for the Free Enterprise Fund, a United States free market advocacy group.[2] Prior to that, Kerpen was a policy analyst for the Club for Growth.[3] Kerpen is a contributing editor for National Review Online, a writer for Fox News Opinion at FoxNews.com, and a frequent radio and television commentator on economic growth issues. He is the author of Democracy Denied. BenBella Books. October 2011. ISBN 978-1936661329.
    [edit] Policy debate. Kerpen is the former publisher of several policy debate-related websites, including Cross-X,[4] a web site for high school debaters, and eDebate,[5] a discussion list for college policy debate.
    [edit] Personal A native of Brooklyn, Kerpen currently lives in Washington, DC with his wife Joanna and daughter Lilly.[6] His brother is social media entrepreneur Dave Kerpen.[7]
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    Why The Super Committee Deadlock Is A Victory, Not A Failure |
    …Republican House Leadership reportedly offered as much as $640B in tax hikes in the negotiations, contrary to political posturing from Democrats that Republicans were anti-tax absolutists (which they should have been). Even Senator Pat Toomey and Representative Jeb Hensarling, the most conservative members of the panel, offered $300 billion in net tax hikes, offering to do much more than “pay for” an extension of the Bush tax cuts with an itemized deduction phase-out that would have, among other things, limited the deductibility of charitable contributions and home mortgage interest. The only thing that protected the American people from a large and extremely poorly-timed tax hike was Democrats’ unending hunger for more of our money. They rejected the big tax hikes the Republicans offered because they wanted even bigger tax hikes. Democrats never intended to do anything about the spending problem. In fact, they insisted on tax hikes of more than the $1.2 trillion deficit reduction mandate so they could increase spending by funding the president’s latest stimulus proposal. Considering what the offer was on the table, news out of the Super Committee that they won’t report a package is a huge success. Although it is not nearly enough to solve the impending fiscal disaster, the sequester mechanism is a Washington spending cut, or more precisely a reduction in expected spending increases. It is not the doomsday scenario some on the left (and even some on the right) claim. As economist Dan Mitchell of the Cato Institute has explained, spending will still increase every year under the sequester (although more slowly), including increases in defense spending. In the end, Democratic intransigence made clear that the only option to even modestly reduce the runaway growth of federal spending was to deadlock and trigger sequestration. Under the circumstances, we should celebrate the outcome. But not for very long,
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/21/why-super-committee-deadlock-is-victory-not-failure/

  157. No mention of the Rezko/Obama land deal which leaves Mrs. Rezko with an unusable half lot in the toney Chicago district which houses the Obamas and their lot and 1/2!
    Day of reckoning for Rezko
    Convicted extortionist faces sentencing, argues for time served
    By Annie Sweeney, Chicago Tribune reporter
    4:48 a.m. CST, November 22, 2011
    Antoin “Tony” Rezko will finally be sentenced Tuesday, more than three years after his conviction for orchestrating a multimillion-dollar kickback scheme while serving as a top adviser and fundraiser to former Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
    Rezko opted to enter jail after his June 2008 conviction, but his sentencing was delayed because of the possibility that federal prosecutors would call him as a witness at other key trials connected to the probe of the Blagojevich administration, including the former governor’s retrial over the summer.Rezko was never called to testify, but the years he stood ready to do so have become a key point of debate between his attorneys and prosecutors in recent court filings.
    Rezko’s attorneys are asking he be sentenced to time served, while prosecutors are seeking a prison term of 11 to 15 years.
    Rezko was convicted by a federal jury of extorting millions of dollars from firms seeking state business or regulatory approval while he was a Blagojevich confidant. More than two years later, in October 2010, he pleaded guilty to wire fraud over the bogus sale of his pizza restaurants. He still faces sentencing for that conviction as well.
    Rezko’s lawyers have argued that the harsh conditions he endured since his incarceration have been unprecedented for a white-collar defendant and are a key reason why he should not spend any more time behind bars. While at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago and a jail in Dodge County, Wis., Rezko was often allowed just one hour a day outside his cell, had meals pushed through a slot and was not able to breathe fresh air or see sunlight, they have said.
    “The only reason Mr. Rezko has had to endure such conditions is because the government asked him to delay his sentencing for nearly four years,” his attorneys wrote in a recent filing.
    The defense also complained that other defendants convicted in the probe — particularly corrupt political insider Stuart Levine — face far less time in prison than prosecutors are seeking for Rezko.
    The prosecution, however, has argued that Rezko’s cooperation was essentially too little, too late, coming after his conviction at trial on 16 counts that included fraud, bribery and money laundering.
    Prosecutors, in a filing Monday, also described how Rezko withheld information from them, undercutting their investigation.
    “Rezko lied point-blank repeatedly over his first 19 interview sessions about his criminal involvement with Blagojevich,” the prosecution said.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-rezko-sentencing-1122-20111122,0,7545749.story

  158. Occupy L.A. receives offer to decamp
    Los Angeles officials have offered Occupy L.A. protesters a package of incentives that includes downtown office space and farmland in an attempt to persuade them to abandon their camp outside of City Hall, according to several demonstrators who have been in negotiations with the city. The details of the proposal were revealed Monday during the demonstration’s nightly general assembly meeting by Jim Lafferty, an attorney with the National Lawyers Guild who has been advocating on behalf of the protest since it began seven weeks ago.
    Lafferty said city officials have offered protesters a $1-a-year lease on a 10,000-square-foot office space near City Hall. He said officials also promised land elsewhere for protesters who wish to farm, as well as additional housing for the contingent of homeless people who joined the camp. A spokesman for the mayor would not comment on the proposal, saying only: “We are in negotiations with organizers of Occupy L.A.”
    Los Angeles has been one of the most accommodating cities in the nation for its Occupy encampment. Officials here said they do not want the demonstration to end violently and have steered away from police raids like those in New York, Oakland and other cities.
    It is unclear whether the protesters will give up their camp. The proposals were received with a mix of excitement, anger and disbelief among protesters, many of whom did not know that members of the camp were in negotiations with city officials. “I don’t appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, to represent us,” one woman called out during the assembly. “Who was in those meetings?”
    “It’s divide and conquer,” another protester said. Mario Brito, a protester who helped organize the demonstration and has been in the city meetings, said the office space could be an opportunity to expand the protest. Protesters have begun organizing a general strike in Los Angeles.
    But Brito told the crowd, “It’s not going to happen if we spend 90% of our time arguing about camp issues….”
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1122-occupy-la-move-20111122,0,1592348.story

  159. The Secrets of Soros, Obama, Occupiers and the MSM (Part 1 )

    Tuesday, November 15, 2011

    While Occupy protesters continue to rant in select cities around the country, I’m wondering who is shadier: corporate Wall Street or corporate media?

    Of course, there’s no surprise or secret in saying that the mainstream media (MSM) are biased. Even when the CBS producer inadvertently sent an anti-Michele Bachmann email to one of her own staff members during last Saturday night’s GOP debates, her campaign manager confessed it was another evidence of “what every conservative already knows — the liberal mainstream media elites are manipulating the Republican debates by purposely suppressing our conservative message.”

    But have you noticed the particularly rapid acceleration of progressive MSM news reports in the last decade? Even for veteran news viewers, it is sometimes difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. But how fair is that augmented bias for most trusting and unsuspecting Americans who turn to news for objectivity and comprehensive reporting?

    Like many of you, my wife Gena and I are avid watchers of local, national and global news. Though we have our own preferences, we try to acquire a broad understanding of the big issues. But for quite some time, if we want to obtain the “complete news,” we often have to go to multiple sources. And we feel for other hardworking people (including homemakers) who don’t have the time to read and research like we do.

    Gone are the days when broadcasters like Walter Cronkite attempted to convey objective and unbiased news. Propaganda seems to be at the heart of most national news. Passions, preferences and political persuasions permeate nearly all the news. Opine is ubiquitous and made obvious alone by many broadcasters’ tone of voice or facial expressions.

    As reported by NewsBusters. Consider in a single day last week how the MSM angled their reporting in ways to manipulate public opinion and align it with their corporate media (supporters) bias, which ironically (or maybe not so) parallels White House prejudice.

    The Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs even confessed that big business monies funneled via the MSM molds and directs the public’s social and political viewpoints: “The summits of American business now control or powerfully influence the major media that create American public opinion.”

    The fact is that the primary networks — ABC, CBS and NBC — and their smaller cable channels are owned and financed by an interlocking network of corporate conglomerates and controlled by progressive and politically biased proprietors. Billionaire moguls like George Soros are using millions and millions of dollars not to ensure the second coming or election of President Obama but also to carry out a greater goal of chipping away the very foundations of our republic.

    Just a few months ago, Media Research Center’s Dan Gainor exposed globalist George Soros’ financial connections to MSM and his funding of $52 million to influence and direct journalism in the national networks. Or do you think it’s merely a coincidence that Soros has ties to over 30 major news organizations, including The New York Times, The Associated Press, The Washington Post, NBC and ABC, and yet no one hears anything from those networks about his behind-the-scenes finagling and financing?

    It fascinates me that Occupiers hate the rich cats unless they help finance their cause or rally at their sides, like George Soros and Michael Moore.

    It prompts one to wonder: Why haven’t such power relations been reported by the MSM? And would they be so silent if the correlations were between such agents of control and the tea party?

    For example, even with its liberal bent, Snopes.com just verified last Thursday that Vice President Joe Biden’s attorney son, Robert Hunter Biden, was retained for years to “undertake some lobbying efforts on behalf of Brookfield Office Properties,” which just happens to own Zuccotti Park in New York, where the Occupiers rally their national movement.

    Snopes.com also verified that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s live-in girlfriend, Diana L. Taylor, is on the board of directors of Brookfield Office Properties.

    And just two months ago in September, the federal government’s Department of Energy guaranteed a stimulus “loan” of $168.9 million to Brookfield Asset Management, which is a parent company of Brookfield Office Properties.

    But I’m sure those local and Washington governmental associations with Occupy Wall Street are all just coincidental and inconsequential, right?
    ________

    (Below, In Part 2, during Thanksgiving week, I’ll detail George Soros’ most recent covert “investment” in the 2012 Obama presidential campaign and detail much further his collective goal and master plan with the MSM and the White House itself.)

  160. The Secrets of Soros, Obama, Occupiers and the MSM (Part 2 of 3)

    Tuesday, November 22, 2011

    Last week, I discussed how Occupy protesters are being directly aided by the mainstream media and indirectly aided by White House stimulus money, as well as New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s and even Vice President Joe Biden’s households. I also detailed how the mainstream media are accelerating their progressive blitz not only to hasten the second coming, or election, of President Barack Obama but also to help him and other progressives in reaching their final goal of “fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”

    I believe the MSM are also bent to coronate a particular GOP candidate whom they feel could be beaten most easily by Obama. I believe that candidate is former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, for the sole fact that the powers behind the MSM believe his presidential run would fracture the Republican Party and cause a third-party candidate to run, dividing the conservative vote, just as Ross Perot did in 1992 and 1996.

    With still two months before the Iowa caucuses and three top-tier candidates vying for the GOP nomination, should Romney become the GOP nominee, as the MSM and the White House believe? I pray that what they believe will not be the case.

    Obama himself is only a pawn in the parade of progressivism. And behind the White House and MSM curtains are progressive billionaire power brokers and globalists, such as George Soros, who are wielding their finances and pulling the strings in more than 30 major puppet networks, including The New York Times, The Associated Press, The Washington Post, NBC and ABC.

    And those progressive agents are at it again right now in the series of GOP presidential debates. Does anyone really believe questions coming from MSM moderators aren’t ultimately asked to trip up the candidates and then elevate and orchestrate the re-election of their furor? The entire debate system should be derailed from the MSM and played out exclusively on C-SPAN with questions being fed in via the Internet from people around the 50 states.

    Soros is spreading his dominion to control states’ voting processes, too. Bubbling up in the progressive boiler for months has been the state of Wisconsin, which The New York Times called “a swing state in more ways than one.” Snopes.com researchers actually just confessed a week ago that they couldn’t verify the report that Soros holds a “significant ownership stake” in the companies that are tabulating the electronic votes in Wisconsin, but what about a “partial” ownership stake?

    What we can document for certain is that Media Trackers, a “non-profit, non-partisan investigative watchdog dedicated to promoting accountability in the media and government across Wisconsin,” discovered that Soros and his Open Society Foundations are financing the new Wisconsin section of the website MapLight, allegedly designed to draw “back the curtain on how money influences legislation around the issues that people care most about.” Right. Draw back the curtain? Meaning a voting curtain? Interesting terminology. MapLight is the 15th organization in Wisconsin financed by Soros’ grants.

    But those progressive political connections are all just coincidental, conspiratorial and inconsequential, right? And I suppose Soros’ five visits to the White House were only to hang out in the Rose Garden and sip Obama’s new beer? More likely, they were talking about the implementation of Agenda 21, a United Nations program launched in 1992 for the nebulous purpose of reaching global “sustainable development” but which actually promotes a European socialist system that would chip away our freedoms, liberties and rights.

    At the heart of that global and social change agenda is the use of nongovernmental organizations, civil resistance movements and class warfare protests, such as Occupy’s “Day of Action” last week in New York. One Occupy website even embraces Agenda 21 as the agenda for the movement.

    Indeed, the MSM have fueled the Occupy movement by broadcasting its every move for thousands of hours, exaggerating its expansion and even condoning and minimizing the violent acts of the protesters. For example, though at least 12 New York police officers were injured last week during the protest, the MSM insinuated law enforcement exaggeration, noting that they were merely “reported injured.” MSNBC even jumbled the number of injured law officers, appearing to place a numerical emphasis on injured protesters: “Seven police officers and 10 protesters were injured. Five other officers were treated after being hit in the face with stinging liquid.”

    Bottom line, these Occupy protests are nothing short of plays taken straight from the playbook of another Chicago progressive, Saul Alinsky, who pioneered civil disobedience in his “Rules for Radicals.” In it, Alinsky plotted: “The job of the organizer is to maneuver and bait the establishment so that it will publicly attack him as a ‘dangerous enemy.’ … The organizer dedicated to changing the life of a particular community must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression.” But do Americans really want to get their social marching orders from a book that was dedicated to the “first radical” himself, Lucifer? No joke.

    You’ve got to hand it to progressives for their success in erecting their kingdom and implementing their plan: Take over the institutions of higher education, and indoctrinate our youth; then commission them into key areas — such as journalism, government and teaching — where they can feed the progressive machine via media networks, politics and public schools, creating minions for the next generation.

    (In Part 3, I will address not only exactly what the meaning and goal are of progressives’ “fundamentally transforming the United States of America” but also what I believe we can do to stop that onslaught from overturning our republic.)
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    http://townhall.com/columnists/chucknorris/2011/11/22/the_secrets_of_soros,_obama,_occupiers_and_the_msm_part_2_of_3

  161. How much time will Tony Rezko serve?

    Long known as the “political fixer,” who was friends with a politically young Barack Obama, Tony Rezko once grabbed headlines in a presidential campaign. At the same time in Illinois, Rezko’s name was synonymous with a federal investigation into former Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

    But since Rezko volunteered to go jail after his 2008 conviction, he’s settled in as not much more than a footnote in both politics and corruption.

    That’s partly because the investigation into Blagojevich exploded after Rezko’s trial, taking a new turn involving the sale of President Obama’s U.S. Senate seat — conduct that happened when Rezko was already behind bars.

    However, even though he cooperated with federal authorities after his conviction on 16 of 24 counts of corruption under Blagojevich’s tenure as governor, Rezko was never used as a witness in subsequent criminal cases.

    It’s left the once high-profile defendant, set to be sentenced on Tuesday in Chicago federal court, in a precarious position.

    Rezko volunteered to go to jail immediately, volunteered to cooperate and volunteered to delay his sentencing so he could be called as a witness at both of Blagojevich’s trials as well as the trial of Springfield power broker William Cellini, according to his lawyers.

    Being behind bars — but not sentenced — meant he endured more oppressive prison conditions than most white collar criminals who are usually sentenced then shipped off to prison camps, his lawyers said.

    But in the end, the government never called him to the witness stand. While Rezko’s lawyers asked U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve. to sentence him to time served, the government has requested a stiff penalty: 11 to 15 years in prison.

    Prosecutors argue Rezko’s cooperation wasn’t that helpful, that he lied to them in debriefing sessions and that their proposed penalty would cover a second criminal case before a different judge involving loan fraud.

    “Rezko’s cooperation was heavily tainted by the timing of when he decided to cooperate, by his repeated lies to judges, and by his pervasive and sustained lies made to the government over the first several months of his purported cooperation with the government,” prosecutors wrote in a recent filing.

    Because he was in talks with federal authorities, Rezko served about nine months in the most restrictive jail conditions at the downtown Metropolitan Correctional Center — a Special Housing Unit called the “SHU” where “high-risk” inmates — including accused terrorists and currently, a suspected high-ranking leader of a violent Mexican drug cartel — are held.

    It’s also a place where the jail houses high-profile defendants or those cooperating, under the argument that it’s for their own protection.

    Legal observers say a judge can credit defendants for harsher conditions — as well as for their cooperation, even if the prosecution doesn’t use the witness at trial.

    “A lot of courts over the years have thought about and considered the contions of confinement,” during sentencing, defense lawyer Patrick Cotter said.

    Scott Fawell, onetime chief of staff of convicted ex-Gov. George Ryan, said time in the SHU should not be shrugged off. Fawell once spent two nights there and pleaded with prison officials to allow him into general population.

    “I said: ‘I’ll sign anything, just get me out of here,’” Fawell said in an interview. There’s no TV, no card-playing, no interaction with other inmates, he said.

    “You can’t see outside,” he said. “You have to stick your hand-cuffed hands through a slot to get food.”

    After complaining about the conditions, Rezko was moved to a county jail in Wisconsin where he continued his cooperation. But its rules meant he hasn’t had any physical contact with family and isn’t allowed outdoors.

    He’s lost more than 80 pounds, his lawyers say.

    “He has not enjoyed a breath of fresh air or a ray of sunlight for nearly three and a half years, and he has not been allowed to hug his wife or daughter since he left the MCC nearly three years ago,” his lawyers wrote.

    The government’s recommendation is significantly more steep than the roughly five and a half years that serial conman and drug abuser Stuart Levine faces. Levine is accused of conspiring with Rezko during Blagojevich’s administrations to win kickbacks from state deals.

    “The general rule of thumb is if someone cooperates after he’s convicted at trial, his credibility is pretty much shot,” said federal defense lawyer Lawrence Beaumont. “His motive for his cooperation is not so much for telling the truth than for getting a deal.”

    Rezko’s lawyers said his talks with the government helped spur others to cooperate against Blagojevich, including onetime chief of staff Lon Monk, who was a major witness in the ex-governor’s trial.

    Beaumont said St. Eve can credit Rezko for cooperation — even though he wasn’t called at trial.

    “The court can reward him for that and (possibly) give him a lesser sentence, without the government supporting that move,” Beaumont said.

    http://www.suntimes.com/8969106-418/how-much-time-will-tony-rezko-serve.html
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    will ck with Brenda Elliot for more info on “slick” Tony..

  162. Amazing Ride Nears End for ‘First Brother’ Reggie Love

    http://news.yahoo.com/amazing-ride-nears-end-first-brother-reggie-love-193812368.html

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    This story of what the Body Man does and what it leaves out….tilts toward ‘lovers’ MO to me….kind of creepy that Love in in a small windowless (closet) with a couch, small desk and a cabinet, ( all that fits in the room)…. few steps from the office of his guy…

    If he hasn’t done Barry like Sinclair, I will blog a sincere appology.

  163. Very bad poll for President Obama in Pennsylvania. Romney would likely beat him if election were today…

    Obama very weak in Pennsylvania.

    A new Public Policy Polling survey in Pennsylvania shows Mitt Romney in a dead heat with President Obama at 45% each in the key swing state.

    Key finding: “If you dig in on the undecided voters only 24% of them approve of Obama’s job performance to 70% who disapprove. They may not be completely sold on Romney yet but for the most part if you don’t approve of the incumbent President, you’re not going to vote for him. If those folks really had to make a decision today it’s likely they’d move in Romney’s direction and hand him the state.”

  164. kind of creepy that Love in in a small windowless (closet) with a couch, small desk and a cabinet, ( all that fits in the room)…. few steps from the office of his guy…

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    windowless so no one can see whats going on…….

  165. A U.S. judge on Tuesday sentenced Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a former Chicago fundraiser for President Barack Obama, to 10-1/2 years in prison for corruption and extortion.

    Rezko’s conviction was among a slew of guilty pleas that led to the conviction in two trials of former Democratic Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and several of his aides.

    A Syrian immigrant who earned millions in the real estate and restaurant businesses, Rezko has been imprisoned since his 2008 conviction on 16 fraud and attempted bribery counts.

    “Enough is enough. Corruption in Illinois has to stop,” U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve in handing down sentence to the now-gaunt, 56-year-old Rezko.

    Rezko became a minor campaign issue for Obama during the 2008 presidential race. The two had become close friends and Rezko had raised tens of thousands of dollars for the then-Illinois state senator’s successful U.S. Senate and presidential campaigns.

    At one point, the Republican National Committee referred to Rezko as Obama’s “money man”.

    Rezko also advised Obama in the purchase of the future president’s large home on the south side of Chicago. Rezko’s wife purchased and then resold to the Obama family a side yard to the home they could not afford initially.

    When Rezko was convicted, Obama said he was “saddened” and added, “This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew.”

    Because he has spent some 44 months in prison — some in solitary confinement awaiting a chance to testify that never came — Rezko has roughly 6 years, 10 months, left to serve. While in the Chicago federal prison for nine months, he was kept in solitary for his own protection because he was cooperating with the government,

    The judge said she took into account the harsh prison conditions Rezko was put under, which has led to weight loss and a deterioration of his physical condition that she remarked on several times during the sentencing.

    Judge St. Eve said she was sending a message that dishonesty in government does not pay, and that the endemic corruption in Illinois must stop. Blagojevich’s Republican predecessor George Ryan was also imprisoned for corruption. Blagojevich will be sentenced on 18 corruption counts December 6, which included attempts to sell Obama’s vacant Senate seat.

    St. Eve said Rezko was a private citizen who wielded enormous power during Blagojevich’s abbreviated two terms in office through campaign donations and favors, and he and other corrupt officials helped engineer a scheme that netted nearly $10 million in bribes.

    The scheme involved state boards in charge of approving new hospitals and oversight of the Teachers’ Retirement System, a multibillion-dollar pension fund. Rezko and his cohorts extorted bribes from companies seeking to invest the funds.

    He still faces sentencing for fraud involving loans to a chain of struggling pizza restaurants he once owned.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/us-usa-crime-rezko-idUSTRE7AL22X20111122

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    Obama surrounded by criminals….birds of a feather……

  166. Here’s a case of successful whistle-blowing. One ex-employee of the Baum foreclosure service sent some photos to a coluumnist — with big results.

    a former employee had sent me some photographs of the firm’s 2010 Halloween party. They showed employees wearing costumes that mocked people who had lost their homes; the ex-employee who forwarded the pictures had described them as “appalling.”

    A lot of people agreed. Representative Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat, wrote the firm a letter demanding documents and records. In New York, the attorney general’s office ratcheted up its investigation of the firm; I heard that investigators were looking for more photographs of Baum Halloween parties. Occupy Buffalo protesters picketed Baum’s offices in nearby Amherst, N.Y. And, not least, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee half the country’s mortgages, issued new rules forbidding servicers of their mortgages from using Steven J. Baum.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/opinion/nocera-baum-weighs-in-after-uproar.html?_r=1&ref=joenocera

  167. Off Topic…

    100 years ago in America!

    THE YEAR IS 1911

    What a difference a century makes!
    The average life expectancy for men was 47 years.

    Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.

    Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.

    There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads.

    The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.

    The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower !

    The average US wage in 1910 was 22 cents per hour.

    The average US worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

    A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.

    More than 95 percent of all births took place at home.

    Ninety percent of all Doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION! Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and the government as “substandard”.

    Sugar cost four cents a pound.

    Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.

    Coffee was fifteen cents a pound.

    Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.

    Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering into their country for any reason.

    The Five leading causes of death were:
    1. Pneumonia and influenza
    2. Tuberculosis
    3. Diarrhea
    4. Heart disease
    5. Stroke

    The American flag had 45 stars.

    The population of Las Vegas , Nevada was only 30.

    Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn’t been invented yet.

    There was neither a Mother’s Day nor a Father’s Day.

    Two out of every 10 adults couldn’t read or write and only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school.

    Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores.

    Back then pharmacists said, “Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health!” (Shocking?)

    Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or domestic help.

    There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE U.S.A. !

  168. Successful whistle-blowing!

    nytimes.com/2011/11/19/opinion/nocera-baum-weighs-in-after-uproar.html?_r=1&ref=joenocera

  169. …………………except the guy in OWS does not seem to be having any of what the designer is trying to pull.

  170. Obama walks away unscathed and unencumbered. Rezko bears the heat and gets 10yrs.

    Just skimmed the article. Is he getting credit for time served? Or probation in 5 yrs?

  171. Michael Bloomberg has launched an attack on Barack Obama for an absence of leadership as Washington failed to hammer out a deficit deal, renewing suggestions he could mount an independent bid for the White House.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8907884/Michael-Bloomberg-fuels-presidential-talk-with-attack-on-Barack-Obama.html

    In a stinging rebuke of Mr Obama, who remained on the sidelines as the deal collapsed, and a rare intervention into Washington politics, Mr Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, said: “It’s the chief executive’s job to bring people together and to provide leadership. I don’t see that happening.”

    He accused members of Congress of “political cowardice” for helping bring about a “disaster for the country” but the former Democrat and Republican who is now an Independent reserved his strongest words for Mr Obama.

    “The executive branch must do more than submit a plan to a committee – and then step aside and hope the committee members take action. That’s not how any CEO would run a business.

    He added: “It’s not how landmark pieces of legislation have gotten through Congress. Tough problems require determined, forceful and bold leadership – and real action.”

    Mr Bloomberg’s words could fuel speculation about whether he could mount a third-party bid for the White House. The New York mayor has made no preliminary moves indicating he might take such a step and has repeatedly said that a “short, divorced, Jewish billionaire” would have no chance.

    But some centrists disillusioned with Mr Obama and dismayed by what they see as a paucity of talent in the Republican field still hold out hope.

    A recent poll from NBC and The Wall Street Journal found that Mr Bloomberg would attract 13 per cent support in next November’s election and that Representative Ron Paul, a Republican who is competing for his party’s nomination but ran as an Libertarian in 1988, would capture 18 per cent as an Independent.

    A three-way contest, however, would almost certainly benefit Mr Obama and could well ensure his re-election. If Mr Paul ran against Mr Obama and Mr Romney, the poll found, the president would be re-elected by a comfortable 12-point margin.

    Mr Bloomberg’s scathing indictment of Mr Obama over the super-committee failure was echoed by Republican candidates.

    Campaigning in Nashua, New Hampshire, Mr Romney said: “I would have anticipated the president of the United States would have spent every day and many nights working with the members of the super-committee to find a way to bridge the gap.

    “Instead, he’s been out doing other things, campaigning, blaming and travelling. This in my view is inexcusable.”

    The White House rejected this critique.

    “A president’s job is to lay out a plan and then rally the country to that plan,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director.

    “This president has done exactly that. He put forward a detailed, balanced, $3 trillion deficit reduction plan, and overwhelming majorities of Americans support his approach. But if at the end of the day, the other party decides that adhering to rigid ideological dogmas is more important than what the American people want, that’s their choice to make.”

    The so-called super committee of 12 senior congressmen from both parties was set up in August to save $1.2 trillion (£767 billion) over 10 years, as part of the deal to raise the US debt limit. But the chairmen of the committee, which had not met in full for almost a month, on Monday night confirmed they failed to reach an agreement.

    Foreshadowing the battle lines on which the 2012 election is likely to be fought, Mr Obama brushed aside the charge that he had been missing in action during the debt debate and put the blame squarely on the shoulders of Republicans.

    While “many Democrats were willing to put politics aside”, he said, there were “still too many Republicans in Congress who have refused to listen to the voices of reason and compromise that are coming from outside of Washington”.

  172. Reuters/Ipsos poll finds more than one-third of Americans say “Super Committee” failure makes them view Obama less favorably

  173. Details of the results of the whistle-blowing about Baum’s Halloween party where they came dressed as homeless crippled people they had foreclosed on.

    a column [Nocera] had written in late October after a former employee had sent me some photographs of the firm’s 2010 Halloween party. They showed employees wearing costumes that mocked people who had lost their homes; the ex-employee who forwarded the pictures had described them as “appalling.”

    A lot of people agreed. Representative Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat, wrote the firm a letter demanding documents and records. In New York, the attorney general’s office ratcheted up its investigation of the firm; I heard that investigators were looking for more photographs of Baum Halloween parties. Occupy Buffalo protesters picketed Baum’s offices in nearby Amherst, N.Y. And, not least, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee half the country’s mortgages, issued new rules forbidding servicers of their mortgages from using Steven J. Baum.

    Sorry some of my posts aren’t going up unless I chop them up????

  174. Thanks, moon- I noticed the article used the word ‘gaunt’ describing Tony, after he lost 80 lbs. Doesn’t sound like he is in the best of health..

  175. BUMMER! Oy!

    Steve Jobs’ Heirs Slapped with $867 million tax bill.

    When Steve Jobs died last month, he left $6.78 billion of stock in both Apple and Disney presumably to his wife and family. His widow, Laurene Powell Jobs, may not have a better time to sell off the billions of stock and avoid $867 million in capital gains taxes.

    Financial planners told Bloomberg that Powell Jobs and the family should quickly divest and diversify its holdings to avoid higher taxes.

    Capital gains taxes are set to rise in 2013 from 15 to 20 percent, and Americans with a high income may also be subjected to a 3.8 percent tax on unearned gains.

    Jobs died on Oct. 5 at the age of 56. At his death, he owned 138 million Disney shares, or 7.4 percent of the company, approximately valued at $4.74 billion and 5.55 million Apple shares worth $2.05 billion.

    Before his death, Jobs moved the shares into a trust to avoid probate fees. However, his will hasn’t been made public, but it’s likely most of his estate is distributed between his surviving wife and four children.

    “I can’t see any reason not to sell all of it,” Kacy Gott, chief planning officer at the wealth-management firm Aspiriant, told Bloomberg.

    Analysts said the Apple holdings would be sold easily, but the volume of Disney shares would be more difficult to unload. Disney bought Jobs’ Pixar in 2006 for $7 billion in stock.

    Candace Pugatch, a spokeswoman for Laurene Powell Jobs, declined to comment on her tax situation or what she plans to do with Apple or Disney shares.

    Powell Jobs has a master’s degree in business administration from Stanford University, but is reportedly not interested in taking her husband’s seats on the Apple or Disney board.

    If Powell Jobs has no interest in the running of Apple, then selling off billions of dollars of Apple stock would be a no-brainer.

    Both her and her family are likely far from destitute, so they don’t need capital right now, “but current tax laws mean she will likely sell off a large chunk of it before 2013.”

    That could mean millions of shares will be on the open market and possibly in the hands of private equity groups — likely not Steve Jobs’ or Apple’s ideal scenario.
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    Or dig up the tin cans Steve buried in the back yard.. heh!

  176. Notice they seperate Obama from Democrats…..no swizz there.

    Americans blamed the failure of Washington’s debt “super committee” on Republican and Democratic lawmakers and President Barack Obama, although more than a third said it lowered their opinion of the president, according to Reuters/Ipsos poll results on Tuesday.

    Eighteen percent blamed Republican lawmakers most for the committee’s failure to reach agreement on a plan to reduce the U.S. budget deficit and 13 percent blamed Obama most.

    Only 7 percent primarily blamed Democratic lawmakers, according to the poll, conducted on Monday and Tuesday.

    Nineteen percent blamed a combination of Democratic and Republican lawmakers and 22 percent blamed a mix of lawmakers from both parties and Obama.

    The online survey also found that 35 percent of Americans saw a combination of cuts in existing programs and higher taxes as the best way to reduce the yawning U.S. budget deficit.

    And 35 percent said the U.S. economy would decline when asked what they saw as the most critical issue stemming from the committee’s failure to reach a deal.

    The poll was conducted November 21-22, after it became known that the committee would not reach an agreement.

  177. Citizens United Sends FOIA Request To Treasury Department

    Citizens United sent a FOIA request to the Treasury Department today to see how much influence Jon Corzine has had in shaping our country’s economic policy under President Obama and Secretary Geithner. Please see all letters here.

    Full letter below:

    Citizens United sent a FOIA to the Treasury

    http://www.citizensunited.org/latest-updates.aspx?article=4057

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    are they onto something?

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