When Do We Americans Get Our ‘Sigh Of Relief’?

Update: The Veni, Vidi, Killee, Scandal – “Hillary Clinton on Qaddafi: “We came, we saw, he died”’. Oh no she didn’t!!!!!!



The pearl clutchers are clutching their pearls in shock. It’s the latest Hillary Clinton scandal:

Heavens to Mergatroid! Exit, stage left even. What a scandal. Fetch our feathered fan.

It just goes to show, you can mess with Joe, but Don’t Mess With Hillary.

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The woman who pulled the trigger on Muammar Qaddafi had this to say this morning:

“Clinton said she couldn’t confirm the reports, but that if they are true, ‘it’s a big sigh of relief for the Libyan people.’ She also told Wendell that Qaddafi would wage a guerilla war with Libyan money. And, even if he was in fact killed, the Libyan people still have a steep climb ahead.”

[Warning: bloody, gruesome videos]



So when do we Americans get our “sigh of relief” and rid ourselves of Boob Obama and the Obama Boobs and thugs? Hopium Guzzlers who try to twist our question into an assassination plot – go screw yourselves. We already addressed the “assassination” crap before.

When do we get our “sigh of relief”? For the desperate or delusional the sign of relief was Occupy Wall Street. We knew better. Groups, and group-think, from the left or the right that don’t see the difference between the rapist and the raped are not the solution, they are the problem. Mobs like Occupy Wall Street that don’t take responsibility for what happens at their events, under the guise that they are “evolving” or too “creative class” to be “structured”, are a danger to the community at large and to its own community as well because they are from the outset – MOBS:

“That woman who was kidnapped and raped at the Obama-endorsed Occupy Cleveland protest…



Obama protection racket Occupy Wall Street is not part of the solution, it is part of the problem. The same Obama sexism and misogyny we witnessed during the Obama 2008 campaign we now see in the Obama 2012 Occupy Wall Street campaign.

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Today the hero of Obama Wall Street, er, Occupy Wall Street, will try to claim credit for the demise of the Libyan dictator who robbed the people while pretending to be a tribune of the people.

But we know better. From the very beginning Libyans cried for George W. Bush because Obama was busy in Rio. Obama was also busy in his secret war against Hillary Clinton.

It was Bill Clinton who first called for a No Fly Zone in Libya.



When Obama was forced to action by Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton he immediately fled the country to a vacation in Rio. The world heaved a temporary “sigh of relief that Hillary is on the job”. We quoted Politico when they caught up to our reporting:

“Clinton’s position was vindicated early Thursday evening when the United Nations Security Council – at the urging of the United States – approved a resolution authorizing “all necessary measures” to protect Libyan civilians, including a no-fly zone. [snip]

Clinton’s persistence in the anti-Qadhafi cause has been such a constant in the White House in recent days that Obama, according to reports, joked about Clinton lobbing rocks through his window during his remarks at Saturday night’s Gridiron dinner.


“Stay tuned,” said one Clinton friend when asked if the secretary would ultimately prevail.” [snip]

Clinton, according to sources, has been pressing Obama to take bolder action in the Middle East for weeks, especially in Libya where she has privately implored the president and his top aides to impose a no-fly-zone to aid anti-Qadhafi rebels before it’s too late.

But she’s reportedly faced opposition from National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and Defense Secretary Robert Gates who have argued for a far more cautious approach, warning against the cost, logistical complications and political blow-back of further U.S. military involvement in such a volatile part of the world.

Clinton has not publicly pressured Obama. But her husband has.”

In Libya as in everything Obama was President “Who Gives A Crap.” Obama will always Fibya On Libya. If not for Hillary, the Libyan dictator would still be walking around Libya.

Obama lured himself to brilliant beaches on the very day American armed forces were sent in harm’s way.
Today, in pictures and video we see that Quaddafi has met his fate.

“Now look at this picture called “Commanderinchief”:


Commander-In-Chief

The picture originated with someone called “Slu” and appeared at the most-definitely-not-a-Hillary-Clinton-fansite, Ace of Spades. This is what DrewM wrote there before Hillary appeared in front of TV cameras to announce the latest developments in the “Kinetic Military Action”:

“President, er, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will brief shortly. It’s really shameless how Obama has hidden from this mess. He’s not addressed the nation as Presidents do when they send troops into battle. He’s spokesman won’t do an on-camera briefing and for the most part the military and not political officials are the face of this.”

The”mess” came about because Barack Obama hesitated and tried to escape responsibility. It took so long for Obama to decide what to do in Libya the rebels were weakened and the Libyan dictator strengthened.

We supported the Libyan action before it was taken and gave our reasons why in “Does Obama Have Testicles?“:

“We do not support the intervention for doe-eyed “humanitarian” reasons. We believe it is in America’s interest to do so. Just as we explained during the Egypt crisis, American interests must be the determining factor in what America does.

In Egypt our concern was that as corrupt and bad as Mubarak was he still was an ally (a very horrible ally especially when it the topic was women – check out the “virginity checks”). We feared the Iron Veil and urged caution. Today the New York Times confirms what we feared about the Iron Veil and the Muslim Brotherhood gaining strength in Egypt.

In Libya we believe in maximum punishment with minimum costs because Quadaffy was not an ally and the situation will at worse go from bad to bad (in Egypt it could have gone from bad to worse). Our worldview holds for Syria and Iran as well – maximum punishment/minimum costs.

In our view intervention in Libya is a good idea as long as it is executed well and in full compliance with the law. Barack Obama has utterly failed on both counts.

As we wrote that defense of the Libya military operation, the Occupy Wall Street misogynists and sexists at The Nation magazine wrote that it was “Obama’s Women” who pushed “War Against Libya.” They wrote that as if it was a bad thing because women are supposed to be weak and frail little things. Women at The Nation are supposed to be able and willing to be raped at progressive events and occupations – like the hostile to women basketball playing workplace called the Obama White House.

The problem is not the Valkyrie women. The problem is Obama:

“Obama does not have the ovaries necessary to be president. Obama does not have the testicles necessary to be president. What Obama has is a lot of gall in ever running for president.”

Americans will not be able to heave a sigh of relief until we rid ourselves, at the ballot box, of the Boob-in-chief.

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149 thoughts on “When Do We Americans Get Our ‘Sigh Of Relief’?

  1. And about HC talking about 4 percent student loans, so what!

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    In spring 2008 Hillary introduced this as a campaign issue. She thought it was important to improve the student loan situation. She said the current situation was too harsh, and wanted it brought back to the 4% she paid.

    However, in the WSJ interview data, the 188 OWS interviewed (open ended) didn’t mention student loans! So accusing OWS of an extreme position on student loans seems to be a straw man.

  2. What does he do all day?

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1011/latenight_comedy_3ad37e09-0284-424f-8e14-59823cdb676e.html

    President Obama will appear on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” next Tuesday, according to Dan Pfeiffer.

    The White House communications director tweeted the news a little after 8 a.m. on Thursday.

    This isn’t the president’s first time sharing the stage with Leno, who was the host of last year’s White House Correspondents’ Dinner.

    There were no details of Obama’s appearance next week on the website of “The Tonight Show” as of Thursday morning.

  3. Announcing Retirement, Dem Congressman Bashes Obama

    http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/10/cardoza-to-anno.php#more

    Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif., announced his retirement from Congress this afternoon — and he issued a scathing parting shot at President Obama’s track record on his way out.

    In a statement explaining his decision, Cardoza, a leader of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition, said he was “dismayed” by the administration’s “failure to understand and effectively address the current housing foreclosure crisis.”

    read on…………….

  4. I’m glad Quackdaffy is deposed but mob “justice” makes me sick. Specially a mob shouting “God is great!” while beating then shooting an unarmed man.

  5. The funny thing is apparently Ghadaffi’s last words were “whatever did i do to you”

    ……………

    Would he like a list…….

  6. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/20/us-libya-gaddafi-finalhours-idUSTRE79J5Q720111020

    Disturbing images of a blood-stained and shaken Muammar Gaddafi being jostled by angry fighters quickly circulated around the world after the Libyan dictator’s dramatic death near his home town of Sirte.

    The exact circumstances of his demise are still unclear with conflicting accounts of his death circulating. But the footage, possibly of the last chaotic moments of Gaddafi’s life, offered some clues into what happened.

    Gaddafi was still alive when he was captured near Sirte. In the video, filmed by a bystander in the crowd and later aired on television around the world, Gaddafi is shown being dragged off a vehicle’s bonnet and pulled to the ground by his hair.

    Keep him alive, keep him alive!” someone shouts. Gunshots then ring out. The camera veers off.

    “They captured him alive and while he was being taken away, they beat him and then they killed him,” one senior source in the NTC told Reuters. “He might have been resisting.”

    In what appeared to contradict the events depicted in the video, Libya’s ruling National Transitional Council said Gaddafi was killed when a gunfight broke out after his capture between his supporters and government fighters. He died from a bullet wound to the head.

    It said no order had been given to kill him.

    Gaddafi called the rebels who rose up against his 42-years of one-man rule “rats,” but in the end it was he who was captured cowering in a drainage pipe full of rubbish and filth.

    He called us rats, but look where we found him,” said Ahmed Al Sahati, a 27-year-old government fighter, standing next to two stinking drainage pipes under a six-lane highway near Sirte.

    On the ground, government fighters and the scenes of sheer carnage nearby told the story of the dictator’s final hours.

    Shortly before dawn prayers on Thursday, Gaddafi, surrounded by a few dozen loyal bodyguards and accompanied by the head of his now non-existent army Abu Bakr Younis Jabr, broke out of the two-month siege of Sirte and made a break for the west.

    But they did not get far.

    France said its aircraft struck military vehicles belonging to Gaddafi forces near Sirte at about 8:30 a.m. (0630 GMT) on Thursday, but said it was unsure whether the strikes had killed Gaddafi.

    Some two miles west of Sirte, 15 pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns lay burned out, smashed and smoldering next to an electricity sub station some 20 meters from the main road.

    They had clearly been hit by a force far beyond anything the motley army the former rebels has assembled during eight months of revolt to overthrow the once feared leader.

    But there was no bomb crater, indicating the strike may have been carried out by a helicopter gunship, or that it had been strafed by a fighter jet.

    “MY MASTER IS HERE”

    Inside the trucks still in their seats sat the charred skeletal remains of drivers and passengers killed instantly by the strike. Other bodies lay mutilated and contorted strewn across the grass. Some 50 bodies in all.

    Gaddafi himself and a handful of his men escaped death and appeared to have run through a stand of trees toward the main road and hid in the two drainage pipes.

    But a group of government fighters were on their tail.

    “At first we fired at them with anti-aircraft guns, but it was no use,” said Salem Bakeer, while being feted by his comrades near the road. “Then we went in on foot.

    “One of Gaddafi’s men came out waving his rifle in the air and shouting surrender, but as soon as he saw my face he started shooting at me,” he told Reuters.

    “Then I think Gaddafi must have told them to stop. ‘My master is here, my master is here’, he said, ‘Muammar Gaddafi is here and he is wounded’,” said Bakeer.

    “We went in and brought Gaddafi out. He was saying ‘what’s wrong? What’s wrong? What’s going on?‘. Then we took him and put him in the car,” Bakeer said.

    At the time of capture, Gaddafi was already wounded with gunshots to his leg and to his back, Bakeer said.

    Other government fighters who said they took part in Gaddafi’s capture, separately confirmed Bakeer’s version of events, though one said the man who ruled Libya for 42 years was shot and wounded at the last minute by one of his own men.

    One of Muammar Gaddafi’s guards shot him in the chest,” said Omran Jouma Shawan.

    Another of the fighters who said he took part in the capture toted a heavily engraved a golden pistol he said he took from Gaddafi as he was hoisted on the shoulders of his comrades.

    Army chief Jabr was also captured alive, Bakeer said. NTC officials later announced he was dead.

    Fallen electricity cables partially covered the entrance to the pipes and the bodies of three men, apparently Gaddafi bodyguards lay at the entrance to one end, one in shorts probably due to a bandaged wound on his leg.

    Four more bodies lay at the other end of the pipes. All black men, one had his brains blown out, another man had been decapitated, his dreadlocked head lying beside his torso.

    Joyous government fighters fired their weapons in the air, shouted “Allahu Akbar” and posed for pictures. Others wrote graffiti on the concrete parapets of the highway.

    “Gaddafi was captured here,” said one simply.

    “THEY BEAT HIM, THEN THEY KILLED HIM”

    From there Gaddafi was taken to Sirte where he and his dwindling band of die-hard supporters had made a last stand under a rain of missile and artillery fire in a desperate two-month siege.

    Video footage showed Gaddafi, dazed and wounded, but still clearly alive and as he was dragged from the front of a pick-up truck by a crowd of angry jostling government soldiers who hit him and pulled his hair to drag him to the ground.

    He then appeared to fall to the ground and was enveloped by the crowd. NTC officials later announced Gaddafi had died of his wounds after capture.

    Someone in the crowd shouted “keep him alive, keep him alive,” but another fighter cried out in a high pitched crazed scream. Gaddafi then goes out of view and gunshots are heard.

    Further television footage showed what appeared to be Gaddafi’s lifeless body being loaded into an ambulance in Sirte.

    An NTC spokesman in Benghazi, Jalal al-Galal, said a doctor who examined Gaddafi when he arrived in Misrata found he had been shot in the head and abdomen.

  7. Since we cannot get any news from MSM and Bo runs off after a short and useless news bit to WH reporters as he did today I am posting a direct flow of State News and every word spoken by our real POTUSHRC.She will be on F&F tonight at 6.

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  8. Occupiers are such lovely people aren’t they?

    Besides the rape allegation there is this:

    From the Oakland Tribune:

    The next thing Hughes knew he was in a headlock, then he was being punched, and then he was on the ground as a large man began to choke him.

    This happened as Hughes, a substitute teacher and Occupy Oakland resident, tried to keep a larger man who also lived in the camp from threatening a woman there. Finally, after another threatening incident involving the same individual, the occupiers had had enough:

    About 3:30 Tuesday afternoon, a group of roughly 50 people gathered by the man’s tent and told him he had to leave. Some were speaking calmly. Others weren’t. It was then that the man pulled out a large kitchen knife and threatened the whole group…It was only when someone picked up a piece of wood and cracked him across the head that the ordeal ended.

    Self-realization dawns on at least one of the occupiers:

    “At some point, we have to recognize that we can’t control everything,” said Boomer Frank, a 24-year-old tent resident and ad hoc camp organizer. “I’m anti-authoritarian, but we need to acknowledge that some things are out of our control.”

    If only they could apply that lesson a little more broadly, e.g. to the police, to the economy as a whole even. Appropriately, it’s the cops who patrol the camp that get it. One officer compared the scene to “Lord of the Flies.” His supervisor was even more insightful:

    One Oakland police supervisor said that the participants first appeared to him as “freethinking activists” but have since devolved into something more sinister. He said it was “interesting for a group that claims to be against current civilization and rules to set up a far more oppressive society than our own.”

  9. More regrets about what was stupid to begin with for those wanting to see:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66447.html

    Former Obama administration economic adviser Austan Goolsbee said Thursday that if given a second chance he would not have backed the Cash for Clunkers program or the home buyer tax credit passed in 2009 to stave off further economic distress.

  10. Basil99, Occupy Wall Street just made a lot of enemies at Union Square Cafe which is patronized by people who likely supported OWS. Here’s a strange one:

    http://mrctv.org/videos/occupy-toronto-man-was-my-tent-sniffing-my-girlfriend%E2%80%99s-feet%E2%80%9D

    A man is arrested at Occupy Toronto after allegedly smelling a woman’s feet and trying to get other protesters to drink urine.

    The Protester who uploaded this video also left this comment on it claiming his girlfriend was groped by this man as well:

    “He was also groping her but I failed to mention due to being a bit emotionally tied up. Evidently the cop and I cleared it up wish I could have reacted perfectly. If I didn`t get this evidence I feel those who were still in the tent would have discovered it.”

  11. Oh. Is that where the OWS goons were – the Union Square Cafe?

    And triple Ewwwwwwww……….. about that Toronto clip. There really are no words……

    😯

    They are all stoned as he!!.

  12. Bwa-ha-ha-ha.

    I really like AOS short, succinct account of the Toronto clip.

    The pampered populists are learning all sorts of lesson of life on the streets.

    Not only did this guy at Occupy Toronto sniff some innocent girl’s (no doubt stinky) feet, he also… um, tried to get protesters to drink urine, claiming it was a five hour energy drink.

    If I understand the dialog here, other protesters tell the guy to stop narking on the foot-sniffer. The guy tries to deliver the foot-sniffer’s knife to the cops (or the “legal team,” as he calls them), but other protesters try to throw it away.

    This is a pattern we’re seeing a lot — discouraging women from reporting rapes, etc. For some reason they think solidarity extends to protecting fellow leftists from sex-assault charges.

    Come to think of it, that’s not really new news, is it?

  13. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/21/world/asia/clinton-issues-blunt-warning-to-pakistan.html?_r=1&hp

    Clinton Issues Blunt Warning to Pakistan

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An unusually powerful American delegation arrived here on Thursday to deliver the starkest warning yet to Pakistan, according to a senior American official: that the United States would act unilaterally if necessary to attack extremist groups that use the country as a haven to kill Americans.

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton; David H. Petraeus, the new director of the Central Intelligence Agency; and Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, planned to push their Pakistani counterparts to make a definitive choice between fighting terrorists or supporting them, the administration official said.

    “This is a time for clarity,” Mrs. Clinton declared in Kabul, Afghanistan, where she met President Hamid Karzai before leaving for Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. “No one should be in any way mistaken about allowing this to continue without paying a very big price.”

    “There’s no place to go any longer,” Mrs. Clinton added, referring to Pakistan’s leaders, whom the administration has accused of equivocating by supporting the Afghan insurgency.

    The American and Pakistani officials, who included the chief of the military, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and the director general of the intelligence service, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, met for four hours, ending at 2 a.m. A senior administration official said afterward that the two sides had agreed to keep talking on Friday and did not want to comment in the meantime. Mr. Petraeus met separately with General Pasha, a Pakistani official said.

    Earlier, another senior Pakistani official said that Mrs. Clinton’s remarks in Kabul did not “enable the atmosphere.”

    They did, however, underscore a growing American realization that hopes for a smooth withdrawal from Afghanistan by 2014 now hinged on Pakistan’s willingness to confront insurgent groups based in the country who have had the support of Pakistan’s intelligence service.

    Before the meeting, which took place at the residence of Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, a senior administration official said that the delegation would make it clear that if the Pakistanis did not act against insurgents like the Haqqani network, then the United States would have to.

    The Haqqani network uses Pakistan’s tribal areas as a base and has become the most potent part of the insurgency in Afghanistan. Before stepping down last month, Adm. Mike Mullen, General Dempsey’s predecessor, called the Haqqanis “a veritable arm” of Pakistan’s intelligence service.

  14. Hillary has to be the tough guy here. Specially when BOzo is giving such mixed signals to the Middle East.

  15. votermom
    October 20th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    watch the video at 7:50-

    This video totally demonstrates Obama’s plan for the OWS-

    depicting Hillary as hypocritical- and BO the Savior of Mankind and the Planet Earth!

  16. OUTRAGEOUS

    Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-cars-finland/story?id=14770875

    With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

    Vice President Joseph Biden heralded the Energy Department’s $529 million loan to the start-up electric car company called Fisker as a bright new path to thousands of American manufacturing jobs. But two years after the loan was announced, the job of assembling the flashy electric Fisker Karma sports car has been outsourced to Finland.

    “There was no contract manufacturer in the U.S. that could actually produce our vehicle,” the car company’s founder and namesake told ABC News. “They don’t exist here.”

    Henrik Fisker said the U.S. money so far has been spent on engineering and design work that stayed in the U.S., not on the 500 manufacturing jobs that went to a rural Finnish firm, Valmet Automotive.

    “We’re not in the business of failing; we’re in the business of winning. So we make the right decision for the business,” Fisker said. “That’s why we went to Finland.”

    The loan to Fisker is part of a $1 billion bet the Energy Department has made in two politically connected California-based electric carmakers producing sporty — and pricey — cutting-edge autos. Fisker Automotive, backed by a powerhouse venture capital firm whose partners include former Vice President Al Gore, predicts it will eventually be churning out tens of thousands of electric sports sedans at the shuttered GM factory it bought in Delaware. And Tesla Motors, whose prime backers include PayPal mogul Elon Musk and Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, says it will do the same in a massive facility tooling up in Silicon Valley.

  17. Holy smokes, those photos of Daffy are shocking, seeing a bad man realize he is gonna meet his maker and be attacked like the Donner Party at their first feast.

    I wonder what he kept screaming? For all those that have been killed by this monster, an eye for an eye. Enjoy all those virgins with horns.

  18. Turns out this Fisker company has a rather large US investor…..Al Gore is apparently a partner in the firm. Oops.

  19. I am by no means bloodthirsty. I would have liked Ghadafi (sp?) to have been captured and brought up before the International Court of Justice. Further, I would have preferred that he be imprisoned for life with very little to occupy his time.

    I think that would have been pure torture and definitely the right way to go.

  20. It never ends well for dictators, Ghadaffi could have given himself up ages ago to NATO and be alive and gone to court but oh no, he took the way of most dictators try to run and when the mob catches up he’s toast and he knows it. Don’t forget these people are angry probably had relatives murdered in cold blood by him, no surprise how it would end.

  21. Funny that two evil dictators were found either in a below ground hole, and the other in a sewer pipe. Maybe the 72 virgins like that type of stink.

  22. JanH
    October 20th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    I am by no means bloodthirsty. I would have liked Ghadafi (sp?) to have been captured and brought up before the International Court of Justice.
    ________________

    And be the Man who knew too MUCH? He is of the old Bush regime. Like Noriega, they know where all the bodies are buried and liable to talk too much pointing fingers naming names raking up the past. In short, an embarrassment to too many important people if he were to stand Trial in a World Court.

    His only alternative was exile. He would have wound up dead sooner rather than later. Instant silence was the path of least resistance for those names still requiring anonymity.

  23. i want to the OWS website, which by the way has not been updated in Austin since the 8th of Oct, and found this schedule …love the Open Source Gov with “Mohammad” and of course the ever important “Holistic care ” with Lu

    October 8, 2011
    ◦1:00 PM – General Assembly
    ◦4:00 PM – March (TBD)
    ◦5:00 PM – Open Source Government Systems with Mohammad
    ◦6:00 PM – Holistic Care with Virginia Lu
    ◦7:00 PM – General Assembly

  24. I agree with Mrs Smith 1, Gadaffy and Sadaam knew too much…they had to be elimated…no court for them unlike Mubarak….we’ll see about him…and what they do to him….too much of a coincidence!

    All I’ve got to say about Hillary’s saying WOW today is WHY??? I imagine it was because of the way she looked at Bin Laden’s body….but she was merely coughing…

    I think something is happening in the Clinton camp…whatcha think Mrs. Smith 1?

  25. Imo both the statements given as alternatives are too extreme, hold too many assumptions.

    http://www.capitaltonight.com/2011/10/siena-ows-beats-tea-party/
    Siena: OWS Beats Tea Party
    Roughly twice as many New Yorkers say they’d rather join the Occupy Wall Street movement than the Tea Party according to a new Siena Research Institute poll out today.

    49% of New Yorkers chose OWS when given the option between the two. Only 28% picked the Tea Party. And 16% said they would join neither. (Pollster Steve Greenberg tells me one person surprisingly picked both, and if you look closely at the crosstabs you can see it was a moderate Republican from the suburbs between 18-34.)

    When you look at the numbers upstate, the divide shrinks. Only 41 percent of upstate voters would pick OWS, and 36% say they’d pick the Tea Party.

    The survey also asks a very pointed question about the OWS protesters. Asking voters which statement of two the most agree with – “they represent the 99 percent of people that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the remaining one percent,” or “they are mostly out-of-work young people copying the protestors in Cairo, with the potential to cause those kinds of riots here.”

    By a split of nearly 2 to 1 (58% to 27%), voters picked the former statement, that the OWS protesters represent the “99% of people that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the remaining one percent.”

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    admin
    October 20th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    More regrets about what was stupid to begin with for those wanting to see:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66447.html

    Former Obama administration economic adviser Austan Goolsbee said Thursday that if given a second chance he would not have backed the Cash for Clunkers program or the home buyer tax credit passed in 2009 to stave off further economic distress.
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    I am ready to lead from day One. Well looks like Goolsbee is a rookey. But then he was chosen by a neighborhood organizer.
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    So has our Democracy become only the crap that makes it through the corrupt system??? Because that is surely what it is beginning to look like.

  27. Lovely. What a way to win friends and influence people:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/angry_manhattan_residents_lambast_RjpTU0jG2z9yrgf5o4bRcO

    Infuriated lower Manhattan residents went ballistic on Zuccotti Park protesters at a chaotic Community Board 1 meeting tonight while blasting politicians for allowing the siege to continue without any end in sight.

    They are defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed Katherine Hughes, a stay at home mom who has the misfortune of living one block from the chaos. “A lot of people are very frustrated. A lot of people are concerned about the safety of our kids.”

    Fed up homeowners said that they’ve been subjected to insults and harassment as they trek to their jobs each morning. “The protesters taunt people who are on their way to work,” said James Fernandez, 51, whose apartment overlooks the park.

    Board member Paul Cantor said that residents are fed up with the incessant racket that emanates from the protest at all hours. “It’s mostly a noise issue,” he said. If people can’t sleep and children can’t sleep because the protesters are banging drums then that’s a problem.”

    “They have to have some parameters,” said Tricia Joyce, also a board member. “That doesn’t mean the protests have to stop. I’m hoping we can strike a balance on parameters because this could be a long term stay.”

    The line to get into the standing room only meeting spilled out of the board’s office and onto the street outside where Zuccotti sympathizers sparred with angry residents. One elderly woman told a protester to stop screaming and was met with an even hgiher volume. “Get some earplugs!” retorted David Spano. “This is the street. I can say whatever I want! I can’t calm down, I’ve been struggling for 30 years!”

    The meeting, which kicked off at 6:15 p.m., has already attracted several hundred people.

  28. October 20, 2011

    Occupy Wall Street and the Bankers

    The ugly language used by many of the Occupy Wall Street activists and by liberals such as radio talk show host Thom Hartmann to describe bankers is disgraceful and dangerous. When one replaces the word “banker” with the word “Jew” in the Occupy Wall Street rhetoric, one glimpses at the true nature and intent of the assault. Simply put, the Nazis and the German Communists portrayed Jews in virtually the same light as Occupy Wall Street activists are now portraying bankers. In reality this is the same assault on private ownership today as was the one that was engaged in by the 20th Centuries two great socialist experiments, Nazism and Communism.

    There are obviously individual bankers and financial managers who could be described as greedy and corrupt. George Soros comes to mind. And yes there are banking and financial institutions that have engaged in corrupt practices such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were bailed out by the American taxpayer to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Greed and corruption have always been with us and will remain as long as we remain fallible human beings who at times either succumb to temptation or who embrace false ideologies. In the case of Fannie and Freddie, the public was unaware, until it was too late, that these two banking behemoths were guaranteed by the taxpayer in case they failed. This was not a case private banks taking risks but was rather two agencies that were protected by the government which charged them with carrying out social experiments.
    Many of the complaints lodged by members of Occupy Wall Street, on the surface, are legitimate and those include railing against the contracted American economy and the lack of opportunity to make a living. Yet Occupy Wall Street supports ideas that have contributed to the problem when they call for tax increases and more government regulation while they at the same time demonize successful people who are already carrying the weight. If Occupy Wall Street actually wanted to create an atmosphere that would lead to success they would support deregulation of business as a means to promote creativity and low taxes as a means to allow for savings, capital formation and investment. Instead of supporting needless infrastructure projects paid for with taxpayer money, Occupy Wall Street might get behind domestic oil, gas, and coal exploration and development which would lead to infrastructure improvements paid for out of private capital.

    Occupy Wall Street is motivated by the false and utopian notion of changing human nature through “democracy” and collective decision making. This is nothing more than a marketing job to convince enough people to surrender their freedom for the good of the so-called collective however it is defined at a given time. Without property, without the right to earn profit and without a system that promotes private profit there is no freedom. There is no such a thing as a “collective” only individuals living free and voluntarily working from time to time on common projects for a common purpose. By railing against property and profit, Occupy Wall Street holds ideals that run contrary to human nature.

    And this is why Occupy Wall Street requires a scapegoat, whether that scapegoat is the Jews, who Karl Marx called “self-interested hucksters” who would have to be “annihilated” in order for human society to progress, or whether the scapegoat is bankers. By concentrating on a manufactured enemy that becomes the foci of hate, the advocates of collectivism convince their followers to surrender their individual rights for the so-called greater good. President Obama and the liberal Democrats in Congress used this same trick when they demonized the insurance companies in order to push through their freedom crushing health-care laws.

    American bankers, Wall Street corporations, and private enterprise in general represent the greatest institutions ever known to man. Corporations have done more social good by hiring people, creating goods and services, and creating capital and wealth, than have any government or group in history. While rules are needed, especially in the financial services industry, to insure that business is done openly and up-front and that investments benefit the American economy, business must remain free to do what it does best and to make money in the process.

  29. might not be a bad idea having a Geiger counter handy as a must have tool for gauging ‘r-a’levels in food and rainwater…
    ________________

    What are [Canadian]officials hiding about Fukushima?

    By Alex Roslin, October 20, 2011

    After the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986, Soviet officials were vilified for hiding the impacts from the public.

    But when Japan’s Fukushima nuclear accident took place last March, public officials in Japan and Canada alike jumped straight into Chernobyl-style damage-control mode, dismissing any worries about impacts.

    Now evidence has emerged that the radiation in Canada was worse than Canadian officials ever let on.

    A Health Canada monitoring station in Calgary detected radioactive material in rainwater that exceeded Canadian guidelines during the month of March, according to Health Canada data obtained by the Georgia Straight.

    Canadian government officials didn’t disclose the high radiation readings to the public. Instead, they repeatedly insisted that fallout drifting to Canada was negligible and posed no health concerns.

    http://www.straight.com/article-491941/vancouver/what-are-officials-hiding-about-fukushima

  30. moononpluto October 20th, 2011 at 4:13 pm – Your link to Cardoza’s resignation was the perfect topic for a postcard mailing. The cards are printed, stamped, and stacked at the front door to be mailed. Thanks.
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    admin October 20th, 2011 at 4:43 pm – Sweet that a segment of mainstream Repubs will allow Palin to address them. I’ve recently come to believe that her biggest sin was/is having significant ability/experience to deal with foreign petroleum dependency.

  31. Oakland OWS given the boot

    A document titled “Notice to Vacate Frank Ogawa Plaza” was posted on the city’s website at 8 p.m. by the office of City Administrator Deanna Santana. It said Oakland was committed to allowing free speech, but also had a responsibility to protect public safety.

    “We believe that after 10 days, the City can no longer uphold public health and safety,” the notice said. “In recent days, camp conditions and occupants’ behavior have significantly deteriorated, and it is no longer manageable to maintain a public health and safety plan.”
    The document cited fire hazards, sanitation issues, a growing rat problem and graffiti. It referred to an “increasing frequency of violence, assaults, threats and intimidation” and complained that protesters had denied access to “emergency personnel to treat injured persons and to police to patrol the Plaza.”

    “As a result of these serious conditions, the Administration has determined that facilitating this expression of speech is no longer viable, nor in the interest of public health and safety,” the order said. “Peaceful daytime assembly will continue to be allowed between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. daily. No tents or overnight camping permitted.”
    ******************************************************
    I couldn’t resist posting this from AOS:

    As New York Magazine reported, if the protesters acted like extras from Delta in Animal House, their attempts to organize a response and control the drumming comes straight out of Animal Farm:

    But the drums were fun. They brought in publicity and money. Many non-facilitators were infuriated by the decision and claimed that it had been forced through the General Assembly.
    “They’re imposing a structure on the natural flow of music,” said Seth Harper, an 18-year-old from Georgia. “The GA decided to do it … they suppressed people’s opinions. I wanted to do introduce a different proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldn’t.”
    To Shane Engelerdt, a 19-year-old from Jersey City and self-described former “head drummer,” this amounted to a Jacobinic betrayal. “They are becoming the government we’re trying to protest,” he said. “They didn’t even give the drummers a say … Drumming is the heartbeat of this movement. Look around: This is dead, you need a pulse to keep something alive.”
    So what did the organizers decide to try? A drum tax. Suddenly, the drummers looked from pig to man and man to pig and couldn’t tell the difference:

    The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. “Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places,” said Engelerdt. “We’re like, what’s going on here? They’re like the banks we’re protesting.”

    And how did organizers of this free-speech demonstration react? By, er, telling people they couldn’t talk to the press:

    As the communal sleeping bag argument between Lauren Digion and Sage Roberts threatened to get out of hand, a facilitator in a red hat walked by, brow furrowed. “Remember? You’re not allowed to do any more interviews,” he said to Digion. She nodded and went back to work. But when Roberts shouted, “Don’t tell me what to do!” Digion couldn’t hold back.

    “Someone has to be told what to do,” she said. “Someone needs to give orders. There’s no sense of order in this f*****g place.”

    George Orwell would be proud. Anyone with an assigned reading project for Animal Farm should really be taking notes.

  32. The organized vs. the organizers in Zoo-cootie Park

    The entire article. It’s such fun.

    All occupiers are equal — but some occupiers are more equal than others. In wind-whipped Zuccotti Park, new divisions and hierarchies are threatening to upend Occupy Wall Street and its leaderless collective.

    As the protest has grown, some of the occupiers have spontaneously taken charge on projects large and small. But many of the people in Zuccotti Park aren’t taking direction well, leading to a tense Thursday of political disagreements, the occasional shouting match, and at least one fistfight.

    It began, as it so often does, with a drum circle. The ten-hour groove marathons weren’t sitting well with the neighborhood’s community board, the ironically situated High School of Economics and Finance that sits on the corner of Zuccotti Park, or many of the sleep-deprived protesters.

    “[The high school] couldn’t teach,” explained Josh Nelson, a 27-year-old occupier from Nebraska. “And we’ve had issues with the drummers too. They drum incessantly all day, and really loud.” Facilitators spearheaded a General Assembly proposal to limit the drumming to two hours a day. “The drumming is a major issue which has the potential to get us kicked out,” said Lauren Digion, a leader on the sanitation working group.

    But the drums were fun. They brought in publicity and money. Many non-facilitators were infuriated by the decision and claimed that it had been forced through the General Assembly.

    “They’re imposing a structure on the natural flow of music,” said Seth Harper, an 18-year-old from Georgia. “The GA decided to do it … they suppressed people’s opinions. I wanted to do introduce a different proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldn’t.”

    To Shane Engelerdt, a 19-year-old from Jersey City and self-described former “head drummer,” this amounted to a Jacobinic betrayal. “They are becoming the government we’re trying to protest,” he said. “They didn’t even give the drummers a say … Drumming is the heartbeat of this movement. Look around: This is dead, you need a pulse to keep something alive.”

    The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. “Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places,” said Engelerdt. “We’re like, what’s going on here? They’re like the banks we’re protesting.”

    All belongings and money in the park are supposed to be held in common, but property rights reared their capitalistic head when facilitators went to clean up the park, which was looking more like a shantytown than usual after several days of wind and rain. The local community board was due to send in an inspector, so the facilitators and cleaners started moving tarps, bags, and personal belongings into a big pile in order to clean the park.

    But some refused to budge. A bearded man began to gather up a tarp and an occupier emerged from beneath, screaming: “You’re going to break my fucking tent, get that shit off!” Near the front of the park, two men in hoodies staged a meta-sit-in, fearful that their belongings would be lost or appropriated.

    Daniel Zetah, a 35-year-old lead facilitator from Minnesota, mounted a bench. “We need to clear this out. There are a bunch of kids coming to stay here.” One of the hoodied men fought back: “I’m not giving up my space for fucking kids. They have parents and homes. My parents are dead. This is my space.”

    Other organizers were more blunt. “If you don’t want to be part of this group, then you can just leave,” yelled a facilitator in a button-down shirt, “Every week we clean our house.” Seth Harper, the pro-drummer proletarian, chimed in on the side of the sitters. “We disagree on how we should clean it. A lot of us disagree with the pile.” Zetah, tall and imposing with a fiery red beard, closed debate with a sigh. “We’re all big boys and girls. Let’s do this.” As he told me afterwards, “A lot of people are like spoiled children.” The cure? A cold snap. “Personally, I cannot wait for winter. It will clear out these people who aren’t here for the right reasons. Bring on the snow. The real revolutionaries will stay in -50 degrees.”

    “The sunshine protestors will leave,” said “Zonkers,” a 20-year-old cleaner and longtime occupier from Tennessee. (He asked that his name not be used due to a felony marijuana conviction.) “The people who remain are the people who care. You get a lot of crust punks, silly kids, people who want to panhandle … It disgusts me. These people are here for a block party.”

    Another argument broke out next to the pile of appropriated belongings, growing taller by the minute. A man named Sage Roberts desperately rifled through the pile, looking for a sleeping bag. “They’ve taken my stuff,” he muttered. Lauren Digion, the sanitation group leader, broke in: “This isn’t your stuff. You got all this stuff from comfort [the working group]. It belongs to comfort.”

    And as I spoke to Michael Glaser, a 26-year-old Chicagoan helping lead winter preparation efforts, a physical fight broke out between a cleaner and a camper just feet from us.

    “When cleanups happen, people get mad,” Glaser said. “This is its own city. Within every city there are people who freeload, who make people’s lives miserable. We just deal with it. We can’t kick them out.”

    In response to dissatisfaction with the consensus General Assembly, many facilitators have adopted a new “spokescouncil” model, which allows each working group to act independently without securing the will of the collective. “This streamlines it,” argued Zonkers. “The GA is unwieldy, cumbersome, and redundant.”

    From today’s battles, it’s not yet clear who will win the day: the organizers or the organized. But the month-long protest has clearly grown and evolved to a point where a truly leaderless movement will risk eviction — or, worse, insurrection.

    As the communal sleeping bag argument between Lauren Digion and Sage Roberts threatened to get out of hand, a facilitator in a red hat walked by, brow furrowed. “Remember? You’re not allowed to do any more interviews,” he said to Digion. She nodded and went back to work. But when Roberts shouted, “Don’t tell me what to do!” Digion couldn’t hold back.

    “Someone has to be told what to do,” she said. “Someone needs to give orders. There’s no sense of order in this fucking place.”

  33. Good morning all:Slowed down by a nasty cold but I hang on until our Hillary is in her rightful chair in the OO.I have fllowed her since Watergate thru the great Us State Dept site.She truly leads every politician and we cannot afford to lose her to the pack of political hacks from all parties and their handlers.So here is where you spend everyday and many hours of Hillary role in saving this world.

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  34. Bachman may be a BEAR to work for. I’d read where she went through quite a few staff people in a relatively short amount of time.

  35. http://www.gallup.com/poll/150230/Obama-Job-Approval-Average-Slides-New-Low-11th-Quarter.aspx

    President Barack Obama’s 11th quarter in office was the worst of his administration, based on his quarterly average job approval ratings. His 41% approval average is down six percentage points from his 10th quarter in office, and is nearly four points below his previous low of 45% during his seventh quarter. [snip]

    Only one elected president since Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter, had a lower 11th quarter average than Obama. Carter averaged 31% during his 11th quarter, which was marked by a poor economy and high energy prices. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were the only other post-World War II presidents whose job approval averages were below 50% in their 11th quarter in office.

    Notably, Reagan’s and Clinton’s popular support recovered and both were elected to a second term. Carter’s support also improved in the short term, thanks to a rally in approval after the Iranian hostage crisis began, but as that crisis dragged on and the economy remained weak, his approval rating eventually declined before he was defeated in the 1980 election.

    Obama’s re-election prospects should become clearer in the coming months, because Gallup analysis shows that an incumbent president’s 12th- and 13th-quarter averages give a strong indication of whether he will win a second term.

    From a broader historical perspective, Obama’s 11th-quarter approval average of 41% ranks 220th out of the 262 presidential quarters for which Gallup has data since the Truman administration. That translates to the 16th percentile, placing it in the bottom fifth of presidential quarters. Thus, Obama’s recent approval ratings are well below average.

    Obama’s approval rating for his entire term to date now averages 50%.

    Implications

    President Obama’s most recent quarter in office was his worst to date, and these lower levels of public support could put his re-election chances in peril unless things start to improve in the next few months. Currently, voters say they are more likely to vote for “the Republican candidate” than for Obama for president in 2012, though Obama has generally looked stronger when matched against actual Republican candidates like Mitt Romney or Rick Perry.

    Americans’ satisfaction with the direction of the country remains at historically low levels, and Americans clearly identify the economy and unemployment as the most important problems facing the United States. Thus, a second Obama term likely hinges on whether there are signs of economic progress in the coming months.

  36. moononpluto
    October 20th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
    http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2011/10/20/breaking-fisker-karma-half-a-billion-federal-dollars-and-only-20-miles-per-gallon-in-gas-mode-developing
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    I posted something about this several months back. ABC just aired some segment concerning this on GMA today.

    Absolute thievery. If this had been anyone but Obama, Big Media would have been calling for heads to roll.

  37. Every day, to and from work I walk by the mini protest in my area. Today I wish I could have taken a photo, it was funny as heck. This small area, in the center of a smallish town has about 50 homemade signs made out of cardboard boxes…all placed neatly (considering their worn look) around this area. Plastic chairs and a mini table are there were some lg. water bottles.

    But………..not one human is in site. Not one! I know it’s hard work protesting on your feet all day, from experience, but there are built in seats in this area and plastic chairs for many. But the ‘Occupy’ part of this protest only happens when folks crawl out of their warm beds, or homeless bedrolls and join the group sometime much later in the day.

    Talk about dedication. 😉

  38. BREAKING NEWS: Obama is bringing home ALL the troups from Iraq by the end of 2011. His election must be in trouble.

  39. Basil @11:16

    “They’re imposing a structure on the natural flow of music,” said Seth Harper, an 18-year-old from Georgia. “The GA decided to do it … they suppressed people’s opinions. I wanted to do introduce a different proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldn’t.”
    To Shane Engelerdt, a 19-year-old from Jersey City and self-described former “head drummer,” this amounted to a Jacobinic betrayal. “They are becoming the government we’re trying to protest,” he said. “They didn’t even give the drummers a say … Drumming is the heartbeat of this movement. Look around: This is dead, you need a pulse to keep something alive.”
    So what did the organizers decide to try? A drum tax. Suddenly, the drummers looked from pig to man and man to pig and couldn’t tell the difference:

    The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. “Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places,” said Engelerdt. “We’re like, what’s going on here? They’re like the banks we’re protesting.”
    __________

    This paragraph is music to my ears! As well as, Ermey’s video- Semper Fi!!

    I hope it is the Marines who are called upon to remove the tenant from our White House!

  40. by the way…….12/31/11 withdrawal date set by Pres Bush in famous shoe-throwing news conf in Baghdad. That’s where 12/31/11 came from, not Obama.

  41. Scandalous : Stimulus cash went for foreign workers.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-stimulus-cash-goes-foreign-workers

    A Labor Department Inspector General report released this week found that $7,140,782 in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds went to four Oregon forestry services firms who hired no U.S. workers. From the report:

    Only two Oregonians were listed on the employer recruitment reports, indicating that workers in Oregon were likely unaware these job opportunities were available. In fact, although 146 U.S. workers were contacted by the three employers regarding possible employment, none were hired. Instead, 254 foreign workers were brought into the country for these jobs.

    The Labor OIG even interviewed local workers to find out why no Americans were hired. The OIG reports:

    We spoke with two workers who reported that the employer used discouraging language, such as references to age and the ability to speak another language, which are not valid conditions of employment.

    Reached for comment by The Oregonian, there was bipartisan anger at the what OIG found. “This is a timber area and we hadn’t been cutting trees for years,” Republican state Sen. Chris Telfer told the paper. “It really ticked off a lot of people here.”

    Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., who asked the OIG to investigate the program in September 2010, was also displeased: “The goal of the stimulus bill was to put Americans back to work, not foreign nationals. … Oregonians have been logging for over a century, our workforce is one of the best in the world, and these contracts should have been awarded to companies that hire Oregon loggers.”

    This is not the first time President Obama’s policies have killed Oregonian jobs. In July, the Obama administration rescinded a Bush administration plan to double logging in Western Oregon. “Communities throughout western Oregon are facing extreme economic dislocation that has been compounded by a lack of timber coming from the BLM forests–southwest Oregon has become a sacrifice zone for this Administration,” American Forest Resource Council Tom Partin said in a release.

  42. Libya (AP) — Moammar Gadhafi’s blood-streaked body was stashed in a commercial freezer at a shopping center Friday as Libyans tried to keep it away from angry crowds as they figure out where to bury the longtime dictator.

    The makeshift provisions for the corpse reflected the disorganization and confusion that has surrounded Gadhafi’s death. Accounts of how he died after being captured by revolutionary fighters remained contradictory, and the top U.N. rights official raised concerns he was shot to death in custody.

    ——
    Will being in a meat locker prevent Daffy from getting his 72 virgins?

  43. Melody Barnes leaving White House

    By MIKE ALLEN | 10/20/11

    Melody Barnes, President Barack Obama’s domestic policy adviser, said Thursday she is leaving the White House at the end of the year to spend more time with her family and consider opportunities in the private sector.

    Barnes, a lawyer who was also the top domestic policy adviser on Obama’s 2008 campaign, juggled sensitive issues ranging from health care to education to immigration to nutrition. Prior to joining the campaign, she was the executive vice president for policy at the Center for American Progress. From 1995 to 2003, she served as chief counsel to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    Her departure — first reported by POLITICO – took colleagues by surprise. She was one of a group of women – senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, communications director Anita Dunn, environmental czar Carol Browner and Council of Economic Advisers chairman Christina Romer – named to high positions in the White House at the start of the administration.

    All except Jarrett have left, as have deputy senior adviser Stephanie Cutter and deputy communications director Jen Psaki…

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66458.html

  44. Gag moment of the day…interesting timing

    By Jake Tapper
    Oct 21, 2011

    President Obama Has Written Personal Checks to Letter-Writers In Need, Author Says…

    In February 2009, ABC News was first to report on the 10 letters from constituents that the president is given each day.

    Culled from the thousands the White House Correspondence Office receives each day from Americans who have taken the time to sit down and write to their president,” the letters “help him focus on the real problems people are facing,” said then-senior adviser David Axelrod.

    Some of these, maybe two or three each day, the President responds to in his own hand.

    Then-White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told us that before two different economic speeches, the President “pulled letters he has gotten and distributed them to staff, to understand what people were going through.”

    The White House is now cooperating with a book about those letters, written by the Washington Post’s Eli Saslow, who says that sometimes the president has written a check to help his correspondents. “A few times during his presidency, Obama admitted, he had written a personal check or made a phone call on the writer’s behalf, believing that it was his only way to ensure a fast result,” Saslow wrote in the Post.

    “It’s not something I should advertise, but it has happened,” the president told Saslow. “Some of these letters you read and you say, ‘Gosh, I really want to help this person, and I may not have the tools to help them right now. And then you start thinking about the fact that for every one person that wrote describing their story, there might be another hundred thousand going through the same thing. So there are times when I’m reading the letters and I feel pained that I can’t do more, faster, to make a difference in their lives.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/president-obama-has-written-personal-checks-to-letter-writers-in-need-author-says/

  45. Knew it.

    U.S. Troop Withdrawal Motivated by Iraqi Insistence, Not U.S. Choice

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/u-s-troop-withdrawal-motivated-by-iraqi-insistence-not-u-s-choice-20111021

    President Obama’s speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren’t being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They’re leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.

    Obama campaigned on ending the war in Iraq but had instead spent the past few months trying to extend it. A 2008 security deal between Washington and Baghdad called for all American forces to leave Iraq by the end of the year, but the White House — anxious about growing Iranian influence and Iraq’s continuing political and security challenges — publicly and privately tried to sell the Iraqis on a troop extension. As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year.

  46. Janh, its a nice idea but that bon jovi place will be bust in no time. There is no way you can run a business like that and still break even.

  47. Honestly, I wish HRC had not said “We came, we saw, he died” in such a dismissive way, laughing about Daffy’s death.

    I know he was a murdering SOB but even I did not like seeing the way he was killed on camera.

  48. “They are defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed Katherine Hughes, a stay at home mom who has the misfortune of living one block from the chaos.

    ==================

    Maybe she should set up a webcam to film this activity on her doorstep.

    All this fuss could finance a portapottie service. But would the city allow them a portapottie, if they’re not even allowed a megaphone?

  49. Gaddafi got what was coming to him, he had no remorse for people he just routinely hung out a window on a rope on a whim or to make people disappear who disappointed him. Gaddafi was sadistic, its purely fitting he died that way.

  50. Basil99, remember that Hillary had been in Libya the day before so she had just received a fresh dose of the outrages Daffy committed. Being a very recent witness and aware of all the mess Daffy left in Libya no doubt influenced her “sigh of relief”.

    Also, Hillary only knew that Daffy was dead. It was only later that everyone saw the video of how the creep died. It’s always much easier to talk of death in the abstract than witnessing death. Americans rejoiced when Mussolini was dragged through the streets then strung up like a wet puppet mostly because we did not have to actually see a youtube of the event.

    While it appears unseemly to celebrate or be happy about the death of someone when it actually happens it is often we cheer for the death of individuals as well as thousands – think Timothy McVeigh or thousands of young Nazis or Japanese imperial soldiers.

    As to was Hillary “smart” to say what she did – as those (check the link we posted) who are trying to make this a big scandal charge – we think she was very smart. Hillary knew she was going with a very high level delegation to talk tough to Afghani and Pakistani leaders. Hillary wanted them to know that she was no pushover and that they have to straighten up or she will straighten them up. So yeah, she was smart and calculated to say what she did.

    Here’s what happened in Pakistan:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66535.html

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sent a stern warning to the government of Pakistan on Friday, saying extremists have found a safe haven in the country for “too long.”

    “We should be able to agree that for too long extremists have been able to operate here in Pakistan and from Pakistani soil,” Clinton said in Islamabad, The Associated Press reports. “No one who targets innocent civilians, whether they be Pakistanis, Afghans, Americans or anyone else should be tolerated or protected.

    Addressing reporters at a press conference with Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, the secretary of state repeated a call she had made on Thursday during a stop in Afghanistan, in which she maintained that Pakistan must play a greater role in fighting terrorism in the region and vowed to “push Pakistan very hard.”

    “Pakistan has a critical role to play in supporting Afghan reconciliation and ending the conflict,” Clinton said, according to the AP. “We look to Pakistan to take strong steps to deny Afghan insurgents safe havens and to encourage the Taliban to enter negotiations in good faith.”

    The Pakistani foreign minister said her country treats the threat of terrorism “seriously,” and that the Pakistani government was “committed” to see success in weeding our terrorist threats in the region, the AP said.

    Earlier this week, Clinton made stop in Libya, Oman and Afghanistan. The last leg of her trip to the region will include stops in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

    Any display of weakness or sentiment in these countries does not help American foreign policy interests. Hillary knows this.

  51. President Obama Has Written Personal Checks to Letter-Writers In Need, Author Says…

    Yeah, right.
    No doubt stimulus checks to struggling cronies who are barely getting by on their multi-millions.

  52. BASIL99
    October 21st, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    I know he was a murdering SOB but even I did not like seeing the way he was killed on camera.
    ___________________________________________

    Yeah, was definitely not a moment that made me proud to be an American. In fact, it made me feel like the entire thing was a criminal enterprise which, I guess going into it without Congressional authorization, it was.

  53. TurnDownObama, the fault lies with Occupy Wall Street and only Occupy Wall Street. The reason whey “they’re not even allowed a megaphone” is not the fault of the city. The fault lies with Occupy Wall Street. If they wanted to use a megaphone all you have to do (as anyone who has ever organized an outdoor event or demonstration/protest knows all too well) is get a sound permit.

    If Occupy Wall Street wanted port-a-potties, all they had to do is apply for a permit to demonstrate, and then pay for the port-a-potties from the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are reported to have amassed.

    The reason why Occupy Wall Street has not done any of these things is because they want to keep hidden the leadership behind these silly raves. The secret leadership behind Occupy Wall Street is using these raving dupes as cannot fodder while they (100% white males in the leadership and in the advisory committees) sit back in comfort plotting how to advance a secret agenda.

  54. moononpluto
    October 21st, 2011 at 2:48 pm
    Janh, its a nice idea but that bon jovi place will be bust in no time. There is no way you can run a business like that and still break even.

    ————-
    I agree. And when you have one family in five presently at some stage of poverty, I can’t imagine what the crowds will be like.

  55. “Also, Hillary only knew that Daffy was dead. It was only later that everyone saw the video of how the creep died. It’s always much easier to talk of death in the abstract than witnessing death.”

    Very true.

    Good point.

  56. I love how “will not give them for free” is the same thing as “will not allow” for some people. If that’s the way to play it, then there are a lot of things the govt will not allow.

    Hey, I want some barbeque for dinner, but the govt is NOT LETTING ME have any! Oppressors! Not allowing me any barbeque!

  57. Pay what you can can work IF you open it in the right spot, and if you run it as a non-profit like the Panera Bread place is done.
    Non-profits don’t pay taxes. You’d go bust if you tacked taxes onto their expenses.

  58. Anyone else sick and tired of Santorum taking potshots at all the repub candidates and serving in the spoiler role? I wish he’d shut his trap and disappear. He
    is clearly going nowhere and is just digging up dirt on the others.

    And on another note, Bachman’s New Hampshire staff all resigned today. I think the bottom feeders should withdraw, now. And then let’s see if anyone else can jump in before the first primary, whenever that may be.

  59. For anyone having an issue with BOA- (also, not entirely sure Who is “CHANGE.ORG” connected to. To me, it sounds like a BO organization… I haven’t done the due diligence.. so Beware! FWIW I, thought, Molly is doing a heck of a job without me!
    ________________________

    Dear (Mrs. Smith),

    When Molly Katchpole found out that Bank of America would charge $5 a month to use a debit card, she was upset — so she started a petition on Change.org.

    Since then, 225,000 Change.org members have signed her petition. And now Bank of America is under enormous pressure to cancel its new debit card fee. A Bank of America executive even called Molly and told her that while cancelling the fee would be “premature,” the bank was “closely monitoring customer feedback.”

    More public pressure could be enough to push the bank to cancel its new $5 debit card fee. Can you sign Molly’s petition asking Bank of America to cancel its new debit card fee? Bank of America is listening to you — and other banks are, too.

    In less than three weeks, Bank of America went from announcing a new $5 monthly debit card fee, to reeling under huge pressure from the media, Congress, and Change.org members. Here’s a quick review of what happened:

    September 29: Bank of America announces a new $5 monthly debit card fee.
    September 30: Molly creates her petition on Change.org; more than 150,000 people sign in the next 5 days.
    October 5: The petition becomes a major national story. ABC News interviews Molly, then tracks down Bank of America’s CEO Brian Moynihan and forces him to respond to it.
    October 6: Molly delivers 153,000 petitions to Bank of America and closes her account. She appears on ABC World News again to discuss the petition. Local media in Charlotte (where Bank of America is based) openly speculate that the growing controversy could lead to the firing of Moynihan.

    October 9: Molly is featured in a major article in the New York Times as an example of the public’s frustration with big banks.

    October 10: Bank of America executive Andrew Pepler calls Molly Katchpole to discuss her petition.

    October 13: Molly meets with Congressman Brad Miller to discuss a bill in Congress to make it easier to switch banks. The two later appear on CNN together.

    October 18: Molly’s petition reaches 225,000, as Bank of America reports a $6 billion profit. The outrage continues to grow.

    Other banks are paying attention to the public reaction to Bank of America’s new debit card fee. Citibank even said its “customers made it abundantly clear” that they wouldn’t like a debit card fee.

    What’s next in this campaign to cancel Bank of America’s $5 debit card fees? It’s up to you.

    Please sign the petition demanding Bank of America cancel its new $5 monthly debit card fee. Click here to add your name:

    http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-bank-of-america-no-5-debit-card-fees

    Thanks for being a change-maker,

    – Jess and the Change.org team

  60. The Gothamist has some more reporting on the very tense general assembly meeting for OWS yesterday.

    Seems that the race card is being played within OWS because a) most of the drummers are black or brown, b) Wall Street was built by slaves, and c) the slavemasters used to keep the slaves from drumming, as it was a form of communication.

    So see, limiting the drumming to sane hours is RACIST!

    http://gothamist.com/2011/10/21/drummers_at_occupy_wall_street_dema.php

  61. JanH

    Bon Jovi seems to have taken a Good Idea and payed it forward by opening a pay-what-you-can- restaurant.

    After reading the article, it appears he has modeled his restaurant after several similar restaurants opened nationwide that have been successful ..

    “Mr. Bon Jovi’s personal chef, Zeet Peabody, is at the helm in the kitchen. For now, food has been donated by Whole Foods, reports the Journal.

    The musician was reportedly inspired by other pay-what-you can eateries. Denver, in particular, is a hot spot.

    But the granddaddy of them all is a café in Salt Lake City: Denise Cerreta’s One World Cafe, which has blossomed from a single café into a national non-profit foundation (the One World Everybody Eats Foundation). Ms. Cerreta now helps others, including Mr. Bon Jovi’s JBJ Soul Foundation, to open similar ventures.

    The idea is as ambitious as it is heartwarming: These restaurants can help curb hunger, cut food waste by using donated food, and help train people in the restaurant business.
    ____________________

    I particularly liked his idea of offering people an opportunity to receive training in the restaurant business. The take away is, with some basic training, they can learn something career appropriate as they fill their stomachs.. they then can work anywhere they choose nationwide once proficient…

  62. HillaryforTexas
    October 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Hey, I want some barbeque for dinner, but the govt is NOT LETTING ME have any! Oppressors! Not allowing me any barbeque!
    ___________________

    With the 2 million WILD Pigs running loose in Texas and there-abouts in AL and La… There isn’t any reason for people to starve or go hungry.. I’ve watched the reality series where pig hunters are donating their catch to the homeless shelters.. where there is plenty of food to feed many people from this wild food source.

  63. Oh Jeez, H4T,

    I really do think an excerpt or two from the article you posted deserves post-space.

    Last night’s General Assembly meeting in Zuccotti Park was “one of most contentious ever,” in large part due to a heated debate over whether the drummers at Occupy Wall Street should be given $8,000 from the movement’s coffers to buy more drums and equipment. It seems some of the drums were stolen or vandalized, and the drummers asked the General Assembly to help them regroup. “We have worked for you! Appreciate us,” one drummer told the crowd, but the appeal was denied, and the Huff Post’s Craig Kanalley tweeted, “Drummer who didn’t get money from GA tonight now yelling, cursing at members of GA.” Meanwhile, another member of the drum corps was lashing out at the Community Board meeting.

    “I am an occupier, I am a drummer, and, despite what they say, I am also a human being,” Ashley Love, a young member of the OWS People of Color Working Group, told the packed Community Board meeting last night. Mother Jones reports that Love was met with booing when she informed the locals, “It’s primarily a commercial area; not too many people live there. The majority of the drummers are people of color with low-income or no-income backgrounds, and Wall Street was built by slaves when they brought the Africans over here. The council people back then prohibited drumming because it was a way of protesting. It was a way of communication. And I just think you guys are scapegoating us.”

  64. I was kinda shocked to see the fear in Daffy’s face when he was being pounded, with blood running down his face. As uncomfortable as it made me feel to see it, I think it was a perfect way for him to go out, and this scene was a Hellava lot kinder than that plane full of people he blew up and rained down American body parts.

    I don’t blame any of those guys that took out their licks on him, many watched so many of their countrymen/women die during his rule and the war.

    I hope you are in Hell Daffy, you were a mean killer.

  65. “If Occupy Wall Street wanted port-a-potties, all they had to do is apply for a permit to demonstrate, and then pay for the port-a-potties from the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are reported to have amassed.

    The reason why Occupy Wall Street has not done any of these things is because they want to keep hidden the leadership behind these silly raves. The secret leadership behind Occupy Wall Street is using these raving dupes as cannot fodder while they (100% white males in the leadership and in the advisory committees) sit back in comfort plotting how to advance a secret agenda.”
    ________________

    Of course! But when you have bloggers denying the ‘hidden agenda’ exists or that the machinations of Obama is at it’s root, they continue to refuse to face facts…They prefer misleading their sheep applying the conspiracy theory excuse and the foresworn ole Tin-Foil hat saw as the magical answer to the legitimacy of OWS.

    Everyone who has done the research, validated the connections, did their homework, debunked OWS early on, is wrong- It never fails to amaze me how people are easily led and adverse to thinking for themselves!

  66. Hillary is often a little too polite for my taste, but she has no choice being in the public eye. I would love to hear what she said to Bill behind closed doors. She is no shrinking violet.

    Rock on Hillary!

  67. O.M.G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    H4T, you HAVE to watch this (if you haven’t already).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPeZ1n8vrTI&feature=player_embedded

    Here’s an excerpt via AOS of a meeting between NYC officials and OWS about the drumming.

    ATTACK of the DRUMMERS!

    This is surreal! (And reminds me of the type of meeting I am forced to sit through at planning boards, ZBA’s, BOE’s and town board meetings across the region).

    Apparently, the drummers have realized that their celebratory drumming which they can’t understand how anyone could dislike is, in fact, not universally appreciated and have decided to limit their drumming to 2 hours – uh-oh – 4 hours – between 12-2 and 4-6 becasue the drummers like drumming during rush hour traffic.

    This is so NUTS that even as you crack up at the insanity you realize there’s a slight chance that idiots like these could possible wield power, someway, someday.

    Also, notice the all white audience.

  68. Seriously how warped are our kids becoming…..

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/10/20/3-teens-facing-charges-for-sex-acts-on-school-property

    BALTIMORE COUNTY, Md. (WJZ)– It has happened again. There are reports of students engaged in inappropriate sexual acts, and this time, it happened in a school during class.

    Mike Schuh has the details.

    Baltimore County Police showed up at Milford Mill Academy Thursday. Three students are charged with a perverted sex act and indecent exposure.

    Police say it happened in the auditorium while class was in session. They say three students were involved in a sex act while a substitute teacher was in the room.

    “Throughout the school, everybody talks. Everybody talks,” said one person.

    The three range in age from 15 to 17.

    Students say someone videotaped the act and posted it online. But police haven’t found the tape yet.

    “It gives a very bad name to the school. And to young females like me,” said a student.

    Baltimore County school officials tell WJZ they are cooperating with the police investigation. They say once the investigation is complete they will take the appropriate disciplinary action if necessary.

    Just last Friday, a tape — blurred to protect the identities of those involved — popped up on the web. It shows students from Douglass High School engaging in a sex act on city school property.

    “If they’re doing this kind of behavior, I think these are children in need of treatment,” said child psychologist Dr. James Dasinger. “In need of help in some matter shape or form.”

    Dasinger says schools need to monitor students more closely. Communication is also key.

    “Having parents involved, having the teachers involved, getting together and bringing this out in the open,” he said. “And see what’s wrong.”

    Baltimore County Police say they believe the incident at Milford Mill was consensual.

    Baltimore City Police continue to investigate the incident involving Douglass High School students. That happened outside a building not used for instructional purposes.

    …………………………………

    I mean really, is this how out of control things are in schools.

  69. “Everyone who has done the research, validated the connections, did their homework, debunked OWS early on, is wrong- It never fails to amaze me how people are easily led and adverse to thinking for themselves!”

    Very true. Mrs. Smith. The following comment fits right into your description. Talk about blaming the victim and holding them responsible. Not to mention the complete absurdity of the point whatever the heck it is. I would just LOVE to see those who are still deluding themselves into thinking OWS is in any way legitimate deal with them camping outside their door for a month and see how they would feel.

    Oh well, empathy, while touted for a select few really is not a strong suit for some, is it?

    And of course the fact that megaphones ARE permitted if a permit for use exists goes completely out the window. Same for portopotties. Oh well. No sense in letting facts and laws get in the way, is there?

    ‘Maybe she should set up a webcam to film this activity on her doorstep.

    All this fuss could finance a portapottie service. But would the city allow them a portapottie, if they’re not even allowed a megaphone?’

  70. Oh, before I forget. Most municipalities have a noise ordinance so I wonder why NYPD is not enforcing the NYC law. I will have to research that. Where I live it’s right in the town code – no noise between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. Several of my neighbors have complained and gotten results when noisy summer renters stay up all night blaring music, yelling and screaming, setting off fireworks and keeping locals from being able to enjoy the peace and quiet of their homes.

    Not to mention interfering with the sleep of kids who have to get up early to go to school and adults who have to get up early to go to work.

    So we’re supposed to show consideration to OWS and they’re not expected to show consideration for anyone else? Selfish immature entitled idiots.

  71. http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/pdf/noise_code_guide.pdf

    Here’s the NYC code. No music between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Other rules for neighbor complaints.

    Call 311 for complaints. Decibel level for loud stereos (boomboxes) and thunderclaps is 110 to 130 decibels. I am quite sure dozens of people drumming falls into that range.

    COMMON COURTESY
    Overview
    A majority of the city’s noise complaints are reported as “noise from
    neighbor”. By taking the few simple steps below, you can help create
    a more livable atmosphere for your community.
    k Be sensitive to your neighbor’s space and remember that one
    person’s ceiling is another person’s floor; try to keep noisy and
    disruptive activities to a minimum.
    k Keep cell phone conversations to a minimum in public spaces,
    especially in confined areas like public transit.

    Commercial establishments that play music must limit the level of unreasonable or disturbing noise that escapes into the streets or is heard in nearby residences by requiring that sounds levels may not exceed:
    • 42 decibels as measured from inside nearby residences,
    AND
    • 7 decibels over the ambient sound level, as measured on a street or public right-of-way 15 feet or more from the source, between 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m.
    k Sometimes residents are disturbed by pervasive bass sounds that resonate and can be felt physically by a person.
    • Bass sounds measurements are weighted in the “C” scale and may not exceed 6 dB(C) above the ambient sound if the ambient sound is greater than 62 dB(C).

  72. Not being a b-word but the double standard is sickening…and people keep screaming bout the libyan dictator etc etc but is Egypt better off? Are the black Africans in Libya better off now that DAFFY duck is gone?

  73. @basil
    Here’s the NYC code. No music between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. Other rules for neighbor complaints.

    is that for all the boroughs or just the city? because they sure as hell not enforcing that in the grimy disgusting bronx

  74. Shadowfax, Hillary was magnificent in Pakistan. She was tough as tough can be and smacked down the foreign minister. Hillary not only sounded tough, the look in her eye and expression in her face was “don’t f*ck with me.” Favorite line from Hillary regarding Pakistan not-so-secret cooperation/protection of terrorist groups like Taliban: “You can’t keep snakes in your back yard and expect them only to bite your neighbors.”

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/cant-keep-snakes-in-your-backyard-clinton-to-pakistan/articleshow/10447736.cms

    “It’s like that old story – you can’t keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbours. Eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard,” Clinton said during a joint news conference with Pakistan foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar.

  75. vanity4us,

    It’s a code for the entire city. Complaints can be called in at 311. But like everything else, if no one complains nothing is done. In the Catskills, there are often problems with summer visitors and people on my street have complained to the town and the noise stopped.

    NYS has a sliding scale of minimum and maximum fines for different offenses. All are listed at the site I posted.

    I am still researching prohibitions against prolonged acoustic musical instrument playing on NYC streets. There are guidelines which differ from amplified music on NYC streets and subways.

    Those do equire permits.

  76. I forgot to add that noise ordinances in NYC fall under EPA guidelines, as they do in NYS.

    Shouldn’t the OWS idiots be as sensitive to other kinds of pollution as they apparently are to energy pollution?

    F**king hypocrites.

  77. Joke.

    I was eating lunch on the 20th of February with my 10-year-old
    Granddaughter and I asked her, “What day is tomorrow?”;
    She said “It’s President’s Day!”

    She is a smart kid. I asked “What does President’s Day mean?”
    I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln …. etc.

    She replied, “President’s Day is when President Obama steps out of
    the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have
    one more year of unemployment.”

  78. admin
    October 21st, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Hillary was magnificent in Pakistan. She was tough as tough can be and smacked down the foreign minister. Hillary not only sounded tough, the look in her eye and expression in her face was “don’t f*ck with me.” Favorite line from Hillary regarding Pakistan not-so-secret cooperation/protection of terrorist groups like Taliban: “You can’t keep snakes in your back yard and expect them only to bite your neighbors.”
    ____________________

    As Kahr went on and on in her specifying presser; it was hard to ignore the celestial choir she was drawing from as the metaphor for the same Pakistani government we know of encouraging and harboring terrorists.

    If we had been sitting in the audience when Hillary addressed the Foreign Minister’s remarks, I would have jumped to my feet applauding wildly on hearing Hillary’s remark referencing “the snakes in the back yard-“. This is the first, I hope, of many push backs by Secretary Clinton addressing Pakistan’s in your face disrespect to the US and all the neighboring countries they unmercifully tread on and kill.. like a wild bunch of animals loosed out of cages that if not brought to heel, should be disposed of, permanently, as you would rabid dogs.

    Bravo, SOS Clinton

    If anyone is interested in listening to the lengthy video between Kahr and Hillary, Jan has it posted here:

    JanH
    October 21st, 2011 at 12:23 pm

  79. admin
    Shadowfax, Hillary was magnificent in Pakistan. She was tough as tough can be and smacked down the foreign minister. Hillary not only sounded tough, the look in her eye and expression in her face was “don’t f*ck with me.” Favorite line from Hillary regarding Pakistan not-so-secret cooperation/protection of terrorist groups like Taliban: “You can’t keep snakes in your back yard and expect them only to bite your neighbors.”

    ——
    …and that’s one of the reasons that Hillary’s supporters are not fly by night fans. Hillary has so many outstanding qualities that she is one of the few heros we have these days. She has no fear againt any leader!

  80. Bon Jovi is an awful band ..I never understood how anyone who likes classic rock could listen to that stuff.

  81. Interview
    Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Secretary of StateSerena Hotel

    Islamabad, Pakistan

    October 21, 2011

    MR. PIRZADA: As salaam alaikum. On your behalf, all of you the civil society members who are in this hall, and on behalf of the countless millions of Pakistanis who are watching this on live television, I extend a warm welcome to United States Secretary of State, Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Secretary Clinton, without exaggeration,
    is a household name and face in Pakistan. And why not? She has invested significant tremendous political capital. She has been the principal architect of renewed U.S.-Pakistan relationship in the Obama Administration.
    This is Secretary’s fourth visit to Pakistan after assuming office. During her second visit in July 2010, 15 months ago, I had the privilege, the opportunity to moderate a similar interaction with civil society and media. And the relationship between Pakistan and U.S. looked so good, it looked so smooth, so comfortable at that time that I was finding it difficult to coin a sentence to describe it. So while introducing her, I said, “Secretary, I’m sorry, I’m afraid you’re coming to a very boring Pakistan. There are no rumors, there are no conspiracy theories, there are no fears, no suspicions.” And she laughed wholeheartedly and she said, “Moeed, boring is good.” (Laughter.)
    But, Secretary, I am afraid this is not true anymore. In the last nine months, the U.S. and Pakistan relationship has seen many difficult and tense moments. There has been a barrage of accusations, fears, suspicions, doubts. But fortunately, we have seen and the whole world has seen that in the last few weeks, the United States and Pakistan have reemerged from the difficult spot, from the difficult corner. It may not be completely, but it will not be unfair to characterize that the worst is over.
    This is precisely how the Secretary Clinton is here today to reconcile (inaudible) relationship, and let me say a few words. The whole world has seen that the United States and Pakistan’s relationship may be complex, may be very difficult, may be very tiresome. But this is an enduring relationship that is based on mutual interest, mutual interdependence, and shared goals in the region. And this is precisely why today Secretary Clinton is standing here next to me.
    Her biographer, Carl Bernstein, which I liked tremendous when I read her biography, had described her as mind-conservative and heart-liberal. Mind-conservative and heart-liberal. But I see her as an American politician, a reality politician, a realistic American politician who believes in the school of realism in American foreign policy, American diplomacy. Many people afraid when she talks tough. But I must tell you, that if she can talk tough in Islamabad, in Pakistan; she also has the ability to talk tough on behalf of Pakistan in Washington.
    With these words, I invite the Secretary to speak. (Applause.)
    SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you so much. Well, I am absolutely delighted to be here with all of you, and I thank you so much, Moeed, for your introduction and for once again taking on the responsibility of helping to moderate this interaction.
    I think this is my eighth visit to Pakistan in 15 years. One very long and memorable visit in 1996, where I remember so clearly how easy it was to travel around Islamabad and Lahore. The memories of that visit, which I took with my daughter, are incredibly poignant and vivid in my memory. Three short visits as a senator and now my fourth visit as Secretary of State. And I am here because I believe the relationship between our two countries is so important, it is worth getting right. And I am certain it is possible, although it will take a great deal of work to do so.
    It is easy to forget amidst all the noise that our goals overlap in critical ways. We share a vision of a sovereign, self-sufficient, and democratic Pakistan; a Pakistan at peace and trading with its neighbors and full of opportunities for both men and women. That is a vision that I carry with me as I do the work I currently do now as Secretary of State. We also share a threat that has claimed the lives of thousands of our citizens. And we believe strongly that is a challenge neither of us can walk away from.
    So the question before us is not whether we should work together; the question is how. And as you just heard, it is no secret that our relationship of late has not been an easy one. We have seen distrust harden into resentment and public recrimination. We have seen common interest give way to mutual suspicion. Americans, who believe they have done a great deal over the last years, and in fact $2 billion in civilian aid has been delivered from American taxpayers to the people of Pakistan in the last year, are understandably frustrated when they see what comes across as anti-American sentiments. And many in our Congress ask whether this relationship is still worth investing in. And I know that many Pakistanis have questions of their own.
    Like any successful partnership, this one needs to be a two-way street where each of us acts to secure our shared interests in an atmosphere of mutual respect and mutual understanding. I’d like to touch briefly on three issues in particular: our joint efforts to create opportunities for the people of Pakistan; Pakistan’s role today and tomorrow in the region; and our shared fight against violent extremism.
    First, I want to be clear that the United States is committed to helping Pakistan meet the economic needs, the social development needs, of the Pakistani people. Now, we are not doing this out of some definition of charity, and we are not trying to purchase friendship. We actually believe that a prosperous, peaceful Pakistan is more likely to be a stable, secure Pakistan, and we think that is good for everyone, first and foremost Pakistanis, the region, and the world, including Americans.
    And we have heard the desire from government officials and private business leaders and citizens alike to move from aid to trade, and we share that goal. So we are working with Congress to create an enterprise fund designed to jumpstart Pakistani businesses and a bilateral investment treaty designed to attract trade, investment, and create jobs. Our programs have been focused on building Pakistan’s capacity: helping you grow and make more reliable your electric grid; to build roads; to irrigate hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland; and fund scholarships. And when the flood waters rose, America rushed in to save lives, help communities recover, at the cost of about $900 million.
    But that said, we understand completely that it is the Pakistani people yourselves who hold the key to your own prosperity. Only Pakistanis can remove barriers that stifle entrepreneurship. Only Pakistanis can take the tough political decisions to bring your energy crisis to heel. And only Pakistanis can make clear that when just 2 million people out of 190 million pay income taxes, that is just not a broad enough base to sustain serious investments in Pakistan’s needs.
    Pakistan’s economic and political success also depends on closer links with your neighbors. And that is my second point: Pakistan’s critical role in this region. We believe that over time, Pakistan could and should become a hub that connects South and Central Asia on what we are calling a New Silk Road that binds together a region held back by rivalry and war.
    Over time, India could become the largest market for Pakistan. Closer economic ties with Afghanistan could contribute to growth and stability on both sides of the border. We recognize that Pakistan has legitimate interests in Afghanistan, and Pakistan has the opportunity to show regional leadership by helping to end the insurgency on both sides of the border, and help bring about peace and reconciliation.
    My third point is one we ignore only at our peril. For too long, violent extremists have been able to operate too freely here in Pakistan, and Pakistanis have paid a terrible price in the fight against terrorism. Nearly 30,000 Pakistanis have been killed or injured over the past 10 years – worshippers at mosques, shoppers at markets, soldiers, police, even children in their classrooms. And we recognize, too, that Pakistan’s military has been bravely fighting pockets of terror throughout your country.
    But no policy that draws distinctions between so-called good terrorists and bad terrorists can provide long-term security. This year alone, more than 500 Pakistanis have been killed by improvised explosive devices made right here inside Pakistan. I believe the United States and Pakistan can work together to root out all of the extremists who threaten both of us, including the Haqqani Network.
    Now, I was introduced by saying that I am a realist, and I know that every country decides for itself what is in that country’s own interests. Pakistan does. So does America. We could not, should not, expect any different. And it is no secret that our relationship today has challenges.

    Interview
    Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Secretary of StateSerena Hotel

    Islamabad, Pakistan

    October 21, 2011

    MR. PIRZADA: As salaam alaikum. On your behalf, all of you the civil society members who are in this hall, and on behalf of the countless millions of Pakistanis who are watching this on live television, I extend a warm welcome to United States Secretary of State, Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Secretary Clinton, without exaggeration, is a household name and face in Pakistan. And why not? She has invested significant tremendous political capital. She has been the principal architect of renewed U.S.-Pakistan relationship in the Obama Administration.
    This is Secretary’s fourth visit to Pakistan after assuming office. During her second visit in July 2010, 15 months ago, I had the privilege, the opportunity to moderate a similar interaction with civil society and media. And the relationship between Pakistan and U.S. looked so good, it looked so smooth, so comfortable at that time that I was finding it difficult to coin a sentence to describe it. So while introducing her, I said, “Secretary, I’m sorry, I’m afraid you’re coming to a very boring Pakistan. There are no rumors, there are no conspiracy theories, there are no fears, no suspicions.” And she laughed wholeheartedly and she said, “Moeed, boring is good.” (Laughter.)
    But, Secretary, I am afraid this is not true anymore. In the last nine months, the U.S. and Pakistan relationship has seen many difficult and tense moments. There has been a barrage of accusations, fears, suspicions, doubts. But fortunately, we have seen and the whole world has seen that in the last few weeks, the United States and Pakistan have reemerged from the difficult spot, from the difficult corner. It may not be completely, but it will not be unfair to characterize that the worst is over.
    This is precisely how the Secretary Clinton is here today to reconcile (inaudible) relationship, and let me say a few words. The whole world has seen that the United States and Pakistan’s relationship may be complex, may be very difficult, may be very tiresome. But this is an enduring relationship that is based on mutual interest, mutual interdependence, and shared goals in the region. And this is precisely why today Secretary Clinton is standing here next to me.
    Her biographer, Carl Bernstein, which I liked tremendous when I read her biography, had described her as mind-conservative and heart-liberal. Mind-conservative and heart-liberal. But I see her as an American politician, a reality politician, a realistic American politician who believes in the school of realism in American foreign policy, American diplomacy. Many people afraid when she talks tough. But I must tell you, that if she can talk tough in Islamabad, in Pakistan; she also has the ability to talk tough on behalf of Pakistan in Washington.
    With these words, I invite the Secretary to speak. (Applause.)
    SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you so much. Well, I am absolutely delighted to be here with all of you, and I thank you so much, Moeed, for your introduction and for once again taking on the responsibility of helping to moderate this interaction.
    I think this is my eighth visit to Pakistan in 15 years. One very long and memorable visit in 1996, where I remember so clearly how easy it was to travel around Islamabad and Lahore. The memories of that visit, which I took with my daughter, are incredibly poignant and vivid in my memory. Three short visits as a senator and now my fourth visit as Secretary of State. And I am here because I believe the relationship between our two countries is so important, it is worth getting right. And I am certain it is possible, although it will take a great deal of work to do so.
    It is easy to forget amidst all the noise that our goals overlap in critical ways. We share a vision of a sovereign, self-sufficient, and democratic Pakistan; a Pakistan at peace and trading with its neighbors and full of opportunities for both men and women. That is a vision that I carry with me as I do the work I currently do now as Secretary of State. We also share a threat that has claimed the lives of thousands of our citizens. And we believe strongly that is a challenge neither of us can walk away from.
    So the question before us is not whether we should work together; the question is how. And as you just heard, it is no secret that our relationship of late has not been an easy one. We have seen distrust harden into resentment and public recrimination. We have seen common interest give way to mutual suspicion. Americans, who believe they have done a great deal over the last years, and in fact $2 billion in civilian aid has been delivered from American taxpayers to the people of Pakistan in the last year, are understandably frustrated when they see what comes across as anti-American sentiments. And many in our Congress ask whether this relationship is still worth investing in. And I know that many Pakistanis have questions of their own.
    Like any successful partnership, this one needs to be a two-way street where each of us acts to secure our shared interests in an atmosphere of mutual respect and mutual understanding. I’d like to touch briefly on three issues in particular: our joint efforts to create opportunities for the people of Pakistan; Pakistan’s role today and tomorrow in the region; and our shared fight against violent extremism.
    First, I want to be clear that the United States is committed to helping Pakistan meet the economic needs, the social development needs, of the Pakistani people. Now, we are not doing this out of some definition of charity, and we are not trying to purchase friendship. We actually believe that a prosperous, peaceful Pakistan is more likely to be a stable, secure Pakistan, and we think that is good for everyone, first and foremost Pakistanis, the region, and the world, including Americans.
    And we have heard the desire from government officials and private business leaders and citizens alike to move from aid to trade, and we share that goal. So we are working with Congress to create an enterprise fund designed to jumpstart Pakistani businesses and a bilateral investment treaty designed to attract trade, investment, and create jobs. Our programs have been focused on building Pakistan’s capacity: helping you grow and make more reliable your electric grid; to build roads; to irrigate hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland; and fund scholarships. And when the flood waters rose, America rushed in to save lives, help communities recover, at the cost of about $900 million.
    But that said, we understand completely that it is the Pakistani people yourselves who hold the key to your own prosperity. Only Pakistanis can remove barriers that stifle entrepreneurship. Only Pakistanis can take the tough political decisions to bring your energy crisis to heel. And only Pakistanis can make clear that when just 2 million people out of 190 million pay income taxes, that is just not a broad enough base to sustain serious investments in Pakistan’s needs.
    Pakistan’s economic and political success also depends on closer links with your neighbors. And that is my second point: Pakistan’s critical role in this region. We believe that over time, Pakistan could and should become a hub that connects South and Central Asia on what we are calling a New Silk Road that binds together a region held back by rivalry and war.
    Over time, India could become the largest market for Pakistan. Closer economic ties with Afghanistan could contribute to growth and stability on both sides of the border. We recognize that Pakistan has legitimate interests in Afghanistan, and Pakistan has the opportunity to show regional leadership by helping to end the insurgency on both sides of the border, and help bring about peace and reconciliation.
    My third point is one we ignore only at our peril. For too long, violent extremists have been able to operate too freely here in Pakistan, and Pakistanis have paid a terrible price in the fight against terrorism. Nearly 30,000 Pakistanis have been killed or injured over the past 10 years – worshippers at mosques, shoppers at markets, soldiers, police, even children in their classrooms. And we recognize, too, that Pakistan’s military has been bravely fighting pockets of terror throughout your country.
    But no policy that draws distinctions between so-called good terrorists and bad terrorists can provide long-term security. This year alone, more than 500 Pakistanis have been killed by improvised explosive devices made right here inside Pakistan. I believe the United States and Pakistan can work together to root out all of the extremists who threaten both of us, including the Haqqani Network.
    Now, I was introduced by saying that I am a realist, and I know that every country decides for itself what is in that country’s own interests. Pakistan does. So does America. We could not, should not, expect any different. And it is no secret that our relationship today has challenges. But for all the reasons I have briefly mentioned, I would argue that our two nations have far more powerful common interests in improving our cooperation. And now we have to chart that pathway forward together.
    And much like our relationship, I hope this town hall is a two-way street as well. I look forward to a good give-and-take, and to your questions, in the time we have together. And I thank you very much for the interest you are showing in our relationship by your presence here today. Thank you. (Applause

    But for all the reasons I have briefly mentioned, I would argue that our two nations have far more powerful common interests in improving our cooperation. And now we have to chart that pathway forward together.
    And much like our relationship, I hope this town hall is a two-way street as well. I look forward to a good give-and-take, and to your questions, in the time we have together. And I thank you very much for the interest you are showing in our relationship by your presence here today. Thank you. (Applause

  82. ABM90, this is a great sentence introducing Hillary from the transcript you provided:

    Many people [are] afraid when she talks tough. But I must tell you, that if she can talk tough in Islamabad, in Pakistan; she also has the ability to talk tough on behalf of Pakistan in Washington.

  83. basil,

    Is this simple enough for you?

    If they CAN’T GET a permit for a megaphone, maybe they CAN’T GET a permit for a portapottie either.

    Why don’t some of you NY locals find out what the going cost for portapottie service for week-long events is?

  84. But the ‘Occupy’ part of this protest only happens when folks crawl out of their warm beds, or homeless bedrolls and join the group sometime much later in the day.

    ======================

    Later than what? What time was this?

    Was anyone allowed to sleep at the protest area? If it was allowed, the homeless would be taking advantage of it.

  85. President Obama Has Written Personal Checks to Letter-Writers In Need, Author Says…
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    Question. Who with any discretionary income whatsoever has not done so at some time in his/her life?

  86. For anyone interested…

    Hillary Clinton is doing the talk shows this Sunday…

    Meet the Press

    U.S. foreign policy; withdrawal of troops from Iraq; “Arab spring”; death of Kadafi: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    This Week With Christiane Amanpour

    U.S. foreign policy; withdrawal of troops from Iraq; the “Arab spring”; death of Kadafi: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace

    Death of Kadafi; U.S. interests in Libya: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton;

  87. You can add health code violations to noise violations as reasons Zoo-cootie should be closed.

    Close this pigpen!

    Filth-ridden Zuccotti Park is a breeding ground for bacterial infection loaded with potential health-code violations that pose a major risk to the public, an expert who inspected the area warned.

    “It’s like Walmart for rats,’’ Wayne Yon, an expert on city health regulations, said yesterday.

    “There’s a lack of sanitation, a lack of controls for hot and cold water,” Yon said. He saw at least 15 violations of the city’s health code — the type that would easily shut down a food establishment.

    He noted the lack of lavatory facilities, as neighbors repeatedly complain about protesters defecating in the area and the stench of urine.

    Yon also pointed to unsanitary conditions in wash bins for cleaning food utensils.

    “It looks extraordinarily dirty, and [the bin] should be changed once it starts to get dirty,” said Yon, who works for EHA Consulting Group Inc. Then he pointed to a pigeon in a tree right above where the protesters were washing dishes.

    “There’s no overhead coverings. Pigeons are basically vermin,” Yon said.

    He said there’s inadequate hand washing, the No. 1 culprit for food-borne illnesses in restaurants.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/health_expert_condemns_park_rats_Vk7kl3EMepB4d2DkeFNmFL#ixzz1bW6FQsqv

  88. OWS is breaking all kinds of NYC laws from smoking on public streets, creating noise and health hazards, unsanitary conditions, illegal drug use, etc.

    SHUT IT DOAWN!!!!!!!!!!

    Is Mike waking up?

    Mayor Bloomberg yesterday suggested that he’s finally losing patience with the incipient public-health crisis masquerading as a protest demonstration in and around Zuccotti Park.
    Which means, he said, “we will start enforcing” some basic city laws — like requiring permits every time the Occupy Wall Street folks decide to stage a march.

    (Or, perhaps, hold a public prayer session, as they did yesterday with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, once named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-related fund-raising case.)

    That’s appropriate — for starters.

    But the complaints leveled at a Community Board 1 hearing Thursday won’t be resolved by bureaucratic paper-shuffling.

    “They’re defecating on our doorsteps,” fumed board member Catherine Hughes. Other speakers said OWS occupiers keep dumping urine into the streets.

    Most complained about the ongoing noise — particularly from nonstop drumming — in the neighborhood.

    Others cited the barricades that are hurting local businesses and making the residents feel like they’re in a state of siege.

    Which is the ultimate irony, of course.

    Wall Street business isn’t affected by the “occupation.” It’s small businesses and other job creators that are being hurt.

    The mayor and other pols — like Council Speaker Christine Quinn and Manhattan BP Scott Stringer — are right when they stress the need to find a balance between the protesters’ First Amendment rights and the rights of the neighborhood to peace, quiet and cleanliness.
    Problem is, there’s been a lot of enabling of the protesters by pols like Bloomberg, Quinn and Stringer — and precious little effort to protect the interests of all of their constituents.

    “It’s just not so easy,” concedes Bloomberg. “You can’t just walk in and say, ‘Hey, you’re out of here.’”

    True, Zuccotti Park isn’t public property.

    On the other hand, doorstep defecation hardly qualifies as protected speech under any definition of the First Amendment — and there is no reason to put up with it.

    Quinn and Stringer have revealed themselves to be hopeless panderers here — not surprising, given that the municipal unions so strongly support the protest.

    Bloomberg, however, is a clever guy.

    He and his brain trust would have no difficulty dealing with a rodent infestation — private property or no private property — and, after 35 days, that’s pretty much what prevails at Zuccotti Park.

    A constructive first step would be to strictly enforce all laws: permits, excessive noise, public urinating and defecation, illegal drug use — whatever.

    The protest should continue, if the protesters want — but the Zuccotti Park encampment is long past its sell-by date.

    Time to shut it down.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/is_mike_waking_up_BKDsXoKSypPdAH6BAS0i7K#ixzz1bW7amQcW

  89. “Filth-ridden Zuccotti Park is a breeding ground for bacterial infection loaded with potential health-code violations that pose a major risk to the public, an expert who inspected the area warned.”
    ___________

    Just imagine if some crazy Obama organizer unleashes a virulent airborne toxin within these OWS enclaves in three major cities, SanFran, Chicago and NY. Where the protesters become walking contaminants of contagion infecting innocent people from coast to coast…. The assessment of risk, boggles the mind!

  90. Hillary Clinton is doing the talk shows this Sunday…
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    Hillary Clinton has been the CIC ever since she uttered the words capture or kill.

  91. Friday, October 21, 2011

    Bill Clinton will be in Rochester Saturday

    Former President Bill Clinton will be in Rochester Saturday.

    He’s the keynote speaker for the University of Rochester’s Meliora Weekend. Clinton’s address at the Eastman School of Music will be simulcast at various campus locations. The event is sold out.

    Meliora Weekend is designed for alumni, parents, students, faculty, staff and friends of the college. There are a range of events including special seminars, open houses, and reunion and homecoming activities.

    http://rochester.ynn.com/content/all_news/561216/bill-clinton-to-speak-in-rochester/
    ____________

    Bill Clinton’s book “Back to Work” due out Nov 8th

    so far no book tour dates have been posted

    http://www.randomhouse.com/book/218636/back-to-work-by-bill-clinton

  92. Friday, October 21, 2011

    Bill Clinton will be in Rochester Saturday

    Former President Bill Clinton will be in Rochester Saturday.

    He’s the keynote speaker for the University of Rochester’s Meliora Weekend. Clinton’s address at the Eastman School of Music will be simulcast at various campus locations. The event is sold out.

    Meliora Weekend is designed for alumni, parents, students, faculty, staff and friends of the college. There are a range of events including special seminars, open houses, and reunion and homecoming activities.

    http://rochester.ynn.com/content/all_news/561216/bill-clinton-to-speak-in-rochester/
    ____________

    Bill Clinton’s book “Back to Work” due out Nov 8th

    so far no book tour dates have been posted

    h.. w… randomhouse.com/book/218636/back-to-work-by-bill-clinton

  93. MS,

    “Just imagine if some crazy Obama organizer unleashes a virulent airborne toxin within these OWS enclaves in three major cities.”

    Or worse, imagine the cops are so busy dealing with the OWS maggots that some enterprising young jihadists take the opportunity of the security lapse and sets off a bomb in a subwy or in a tunnel or on a bridge.

  94. Synopsis of: Back to Work

    President Bill Clinton gives us his views on the challenges facing the United States today and why government matters—presenting his ideas on restoring energyeconomic growth, job creation, financial responsibility, resolving the mortgage crisis, and pursuing a strategy , job creation, and financial responsibility and offering a plan to get us “back in the future business.”

    He explains how we got into the current economic crisis, and lays down a plan for long-term prosperity. He offers specific recommendations on how we can put people back to work, increase bank lending and corporate investment, double our exports, restore our manufacturing base, and create new businesses. He supports President Obama’s emphasis on green technology, saying that changing in the way we produce and consume energy is the strategy most likely to spark a fast-growing economy while enhancing our national security.

    Clinton also stresses that we need a strong private sector and a smart government working together to restore prosperity and progress, demonstrating that whenever we’ve given in to the temptation to blame government for all our problems, we’ve lost our ability to produce sustained economic growth and shared commitment to shared prosperity, balanced growth, financial responsibility, and investment for the future.

    For example, he believes our ability to compete in the twenty-first century is dependent on our willingness to invest in infrastructure: we need faster broadband, a state-of-the-art national electrical grid, modernized water and sewer systems, and the best, airports, trains, roads, and bridges.

    Clinton writes, “There is simply no evidence that we can succeed in the twenty-first century with an anti-government strategy,” writes Clinton, based on “a philosophy grounded in ‘you’re on your own’ rather than ‘we’re all in this together.’ ” He believes that conflict between government and the private sector has proved to be good politics but has produced bad policies, giving us a weak economy with not enough jobs, growing income inequality and poverty, and a decline in our competitive position. In the real world, cooperation works much better than conflict, and “Americans need victories in real life.”
    ___________

    Bill’s book imparts a greater understanding of the necessary fluidity of government’s role/policies as the facilitator of the private sectors jobs market. Working strategically hand in glove together every step of the way, planting the seeds of success and maximizing growth potential to flourish.

    aside:

    In reading the book’s synopsis, it becomes apparent, the rantings we’ve been hearing from GOP Congressional leaders
    labeling Obama’s policies as “Jobs Killers” has merit. The fact is, we need government policies with a conducive bent for the private sector to thrive-

    It’s pretty evident the effect of Obama’s policies and government re-regulation affecting the private sector have a brought about a stillness and a cessation of growth. Resulting in a deliberate hamstringing of America’s economy, a Failure to Thrive.

    Let’s Throw the Bum OUT and send him packing back to Chicago!

  95. I know this might seem a bit callous, but i was looking over some of the help available for low income families and it seems to me America does a pretty good job when there are kids involved. A family of three earning 25k a year can qualify for subsidized rent, utilities, free school lunches, a free cell phone, food stamps, free job training/college, free day care, low cost internet. pay zero in federal taxes and get a three thousand place federal return due to the EIC. That can amount to 10,000 or more in “income”. Single person making 35k essentially makes less than a family of three. Cries of 1 in 5 living in poverty do not take into consideration the assistance given to those earning less than the poverty level. Think as a society we take damned good care of children maybe we don’t provide the British dole of allowing adults to be kids forever but thanks to HRC and a few others health care is available to kids and so are the basics.
    Protesters just piss me off. Do they all think they are Susan Boyles/J K Rowlings that the government should support comfortably til the world recognizes their talent?

  96. One last thing and then I promise i will stop being a blog hog.
    We all come here or came here originally out of admiration For Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. Her career has espoused defending women and children the world over. She rocks that is indisputable.
    Yet women in America are grossly under-served. Especially when it comes to addiction. A guy is viewed as troubled a woman a crack whore. No one or hardly anyone screams at the drug addled father. Mother gets all the blame. Families support the struggling son but are disgraced by the drug whore mother. Not a lot of places for these women to go, Crisis centers exist but they are on a shoestring budget. DollarTree.com will let you buy a case of ladies razors for less than a dollar a piece with free shipping to their stores.
    I’d love to support an Autumnal and Vernal Equinox Days of helping out those who help out more than half of the population.
    Spring is far off but the basics are always needed by women in crisis centers. They show up with plastic bags and little else. Everything is needed. In ny experience Catholic Charities does the best work. Be forewarned you don’t get a receipt for tax purposes.

  97. WTF, taking time to discuss drum circles place and times in a protest…are you freaking kidding me with this stupid bs?

    Unless these are Native Americans banging to a cry for WAR, this is just too silly to take up any cities time. What next, a sacred spot to water unicorns, breast feed in public to the chants of witches?

    This type of stuff is as distructive to the seriousness of their message as the ones that insite violence. Maybe this is the cost of having so many young out of work, mentally ill and homeless out on the street. Finding cohesion with all these folks is like a Kafkaesk dream.

  98. turndownobama
    Let’s cut through the chase- do you prefer annoying people more or boring them to tears?
    I know i am no intellectual giant but you have become a cartoon character. What is your point? You hate America? Think it is unfair? What. You come here to argue. Why? Do you think your copying and pasting actions have any effect. Confession I have grown bored with twinkies in tents but then I read your tripe and i get angry again. But in the end you still are like a dripping faucet. You effect no change and if you really have passion for the children of the park you wouldn’t attempt to argue with everyone as you dissuade. Are you paid by the response?
    Sad little person. I pity you.

  99. I’m going out. If the NY authorities were really worried about this sanitation charge but still don’t want a big confrontation, they could look the other way and let some portapotties sneak in.

    So maybe this is just a strawman to give an excuse for a big confrontation. (Or at least hurt OWS’s image. Hey, I bet OWS murdered Vince Foster, too!)

  100. turndownobama
    Where are you going with this? These people are living in sub 55 degree tents with tarps covering in dampness tens of people. Petri dish for influenza and tb and god knows what else. Assinine. The air is not circulating. Potential for airborne disease is huge.

    Answer this what do you believe this accomplishes?

  101. turndownobama
    you seem articulate and well versed in politics so may I ask you have you given hours of your time helping out the needy? Sure you could work in a food kitchen or tutor a kid. have you? Maybe told a woman with nothing that was broken that it would get better– then maybe felt a small tinge of responsibility to make sure she was not forgotten.
    Or do you just spew talking banal points?

  102. How fitting that Ghadaffi was on the receiving end of his brand of “justice”. Don’t feel bad for him. Feel bad for all the people that be snuffed out.

  103. Henry,

    I guess you didn’t read it has gone out.

    “Let’s cut through the chase- do you prefer annoying people more or boring them to tears?”

    It enjoys both immensely.

  104. You seem inarticulate and naive about is, i think, closer to the truth.

    You’re just too nice, Henry. Honestly. Giving credit where it is not due.

  105. Basil
    Seems to me that an individual comes here only to reek havoc
    read an argument here and there being cut and pasted
    can someone so daft be so sinister as to egg people on to making a non pc statement to then use an argument out of context and post it elsewhere?
    Who really gives a flying fuck but..
    It was done all of the time in 07-08, but I think turndown would have been about ten then so it doesn’t make sense.
    is it an Alinsky prodigy? Do they not realize they are being made fun of? Heard at least one major city has gotten permits to do out door theater mocking OWS. And everything on radio mocks them.

  106. Basil
    Almost forgot this funny. Took my brat to her first Halloween school dance last night and they awarded best costumes and of course 5/6 years olds that didn’t win were hurt. i ended up with my crud and just giving her a hug. One of the father’s whose daughter took it a little harder picked her up ( he is like 6’6 and obscenely handsome) and said no matter what they say you are always a winner to me, she kept crying and he said okay if they won’t give you a prize we will move to wall street and camp out to you get one, He was tickling her and by the time she heard Wall st she was back on the dance floor.
    Thought it was just so cool. His kid is a sweet child but is about a half of a foot taller than all the other kids. He is so cool about his daughter. They have play dates but 6 inches is a big deal at that age and somehow he acknowledges it without making anyone feel uncomfortable or his daughter fell self conscience. Picks her up yelling midget ready to go? Works– Everyone know she is bigger and her dead yelling midget with affection negates any sort of opportunity for anyone to ridicule her later

  107. shadowfax said:
    WTF, taking time to discuss drum circles place and times in a protest…

    ===============

    Some people in NY were complaining about the drumming, so OWS met with them to discuss the issue and offer a compromise (4 hrs/day instead of all day). Do you think OWS should have ignored their complaints?

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