Zoo Story: Zoo-cotti Park, Perry’s Promise And The Republican Debate Tonight

Chris Christie endorsed Willard Mitt Romney today. Unfortunately Christie repeatedly talked about pie, growing the pie, smaller pie, bigger pie…. He was talking about the economic pie, but for some reason our funny bone was tickled.

The Christie endorsement of Willard Mitt Romney is an attempt to get a snowball rolling down the mountain and give Willard some momentum. It won’t work. No matter who gets in or gets out or what happens, Republican voters shift to someone other than Willard.

Another reason to hold a pre-debate press conference today was to try and hurt Rick Perry with the Mormon controversy of recent days. It won’t work.

We have written that the Mormon issue would come up again and predict now it will emerge yet again – just before the evangelical heavy Iowa caucuses. It will happen again because it works – it worked for Ted Kennedy when he ran against Romney:

“Willard Mitt Romney is the presumed Republican front runner. We suppose he could get the nomination. But we doubt it.

First of all, Willard is a Mormon. Nobody likes to talk about this but evangelical Christians do not think kindly of Mormons. There are many reasons for this, which we will not get into because we do not want to get involved in sectarian violence. But do remember that Ted Kennedy, the Chappaquiddick Chauffeur who engineered the coup that gifted Obama the nomination, used Romney’s Mormonism to destroy Romney years ago when Romney ran against Kennedy for the Senate seat from Massachusetts.

And if you think Barack Obama and his army of thugs do not know that history of Ted and Willard’s Excellent Adventure and will not use the same religious line of attack against Romney, well then you should get out of here and go back to your coloring book and videos of Barney.”

Many Republicans and conservatives are upset at what they call the religious bigotry and are quaking in fear about what it says regarding Republicans. But, hey, read up on the Ted Kennedy campaign and what they did in South Boston to bang the anti Mormon drum. And while evangelicals have valid doctrinal reasons to declare Mormons non-Christians and to therefore oppose Mormons, perhaps the pearl clutching Republicans/conservatives should highlight the liberal anti-Mormonism:

“Politically, more Democrats than Republicans say they would be less likely to support a Mormon candidate. Liberal Democrats stand out, with 41% saying they would be less likely to support a Mormon candidate. Only about a quarter or fewer in other groups say this.”

Don’t forget the flip-flopping:

And today we learn that Obama consulted Romney advisers on ObamaCare. Not even Chris Christie can intelligently shill for Romney on RomneyCare to ObamaCare.

So even with all the recent bad news about Rick Perry and his bumbling performance at the last debate, we still think Perry will be the Republicans nominee.

Charlie Cook agrees with this assessment:

“The Cook Report: It’s Perry’s to Win

If he learns from his mistakes, the Texas governor will be Barack Obama’s opponent in the fall. [snip]

It comes down to Perry’s capacity to turn the corner.

Clearly, most Republican voters would much prefer a very, very, very conservative nominee to the more buttoned-down Romney. (Even if he has shed his pinstriped suits and nice ties in favor of sports shirts and khakis, he still looks like he could be a Haggar slacks model.) It’s unclear whether they want, or will end up supporting, Perry—but, obviously, they want a Perry-like conservative. But it comes down to Perry’s capacity to turn the corner, to become a national, as opposed to a Texas or a Deep South, candidate.

Perry has shown a proclivity to step on his own body parts and will undoubtedly do so again. The question is whether he learns from his mistakes. If he does, he will be the GOP nominee and stands a fair chance of beating President Obama, given the horrific economy and the public’s loss of confidence in the president. If he doesn’t and isn’t more careful about what he says and how he says it, Perry will either lose the nomination, or he will win it and then lose a general election that’s there for the taking. Simple as that.”

What about Herman Cain?:

“By traditional yardsticks of measuring a presidential candidate’s potential success, he falls short. For hard-charging conservatives who have become disillusioned with Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, and now Perry, and who have resisted the appeal of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum, Cain may be the new flavor of the month. But without the apparatus, money, or expertise in actually winning a party’s nomination, it’s doubtful that he can go very far. The current flurry won’t keep the titans of business and finance on the sidelines; their skepticism will likely mirror that of the political pros and pundits.”

Cain is doing remarkably well but we suspect that is because he is a bit of a charmer and because Republicans don’t want Willard and recoiled at the Rick Perry they saw in the most recent debate. Cain could conceivably acquire a campaign organization as other campaigns collapse and get oodles of cash sufficient to compete with Perry’s $17 million haul, but we won’t believe it until we see it.

Many call tonight “the Perry last chance debate. Rick Perry better perform well tonight or his promising campaign will flutter to the ground dead. Perry has been trying to “shape the battleground” with a new Perry ad attacking ObamneyCare:

Via the New York Times Perry operatives promise that for tonight, Perry will (as we strongly suggested) prepared and studied for the debate. Perry will also get some sleep before the debate.

We’ll be commenting in our smart-alecky way tonight when the debate starts at 8:00 p.m. ET.

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While the Republicans debate, the Occupy Wall Street rave has turned into a zoo. We wrote we would take Occupy Wall Street seriously and with respect when we see them act seriously and with respect. When they move to occupy Lafayette Park and take the fight to Barack Obama we will treat them as something more than a zoo. But we are not holding our collective breaths.

How can anyone take the Zoo-cotti (Zoo-cooties?) rave and their supporters seriously when you read something like this:

“Occupation can lead to ownership, whether or not you want it.

The spread of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement was met with initial hesitation in both the Democratic and Republican parties. That might be an appropriate response to any protests that aim themselves squarely at the establishment, particularly those with goals that are diverse and diffuse as the current protesters’ are.

But a consensus is emerging among Democrats that the “Occupy” movement is worth tapping into, even helping along and joining with in some instances.

I support the message to the establishment,” House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said on ABC’s “This Week.” “Change has to happen. We cannot continue in a way that does not — that is not relevant to their lives. People are angry.”

Honey, you are the establishment. The counterculture of the 1960s is the establishment. Nancy Pelosi is the establishment. Granted, Pelosi and the counterculture of the 1960s cum establishment of the 21st century has proven a great disappointment. After all, Gloria Steinem fundraising for “hostile work place for women” Barack Obama, was the last heel in the coffin.

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As to the Occupy Wall Street Zoo-cotti Park activities there are some things that make sensible people dizzy with laughter:

“It started as a gathering of furious youngsters, protesting about the supposed lack of opportunities for the average American.

But then the freeloaders came along.

As the Occupy Wall Street protest continued in full strength in Manhattan this weekend, the atmosphere in New York’s financial district became increasingly debauched.

Conspicuously living among the politically active in the makeshift village in Zuccotti Park are opportunistic junkies and homeless people – making the most of the free food on offer.

Also present and infuriating the hard core of activists are a number of teens looking to turn the gathering into an urban rave.

Among the banners and flags are now discarded packets of condoms, cigarettes and bottles of spirits, while naked youngsters happily get together with just sleeping bags covering their modesty. [snip]

Among the activists, however, clearly there are some on the ground with less noble intentions.

Most of the kids are trust-fund babies. They don’t need to be here,’ Andre, a 40-year-old activist told the New York Post.”

The sex, drugs, and homeless don’t bother too many other than the pearl clutchers. The trust-fund babies have a right to whine too. But there is a certain stupidity which really disgusts.

Why do the Zoo-cotties tolerate, nay, cheer someone like Russell Simmons? Russell Simmons is a multi-millionaire owner of a debit card company. And they are cheering him?

Kanye West, with elective dentistry to replace his regular teeth with gold teeth, thick gold chains draped round his neck, arrived at Zoo-cottie in a $300,000 car and a $300.00 shirt – and he was cheered. Do the Zoo-cottie’s think West and Simmons are part of the alleged 99% (Tea Party activists are not allowed in that 99% nor are the white working class we presume since they are not part of the Obama situation comedy coalition)?

Ed Rendell told Occupy Wall Street Zoo-cooties to “Go Home. Imagine however if our advice to the Zoo is taken and they decide to go rogue:

“OWS has a far better chance of advancing its agenda by acting as a tea-party-esque weight on Obama’s left than by lining up as good soldiers for his campaign. And O surely realizes it: That’s part of the reason I don’t buy the theory that these protests were organized by the Democratic brain trust. There’s way too much that can go wrong for them with a crowd this radical, from momentum for a primary challenge to the sort of nightmare scenario described by Rendell in recalling the 1968 Democratic convention. What’ll be lots of fun over the next month or two is watching how the media handles its love affair with the protesters if they end up coalescing around principles that are a bit too far left for Democrats to market to undecided voters. Job one, above all else, is reelecting Obama to beat back the wingnut hordes, and there’s a chance that OWS could make that job harder, not easier. What will the New York Times op-ed page do then?”

The Zoo animals should get out of their cages and fight against Barack Obama. Until then, we’ll throw peanut shells into the cages and mock them.


153 thoughts on “Zoo Story: Zoo-cotti Park, Perry’s Promise And The Republican Debate Tonight

  1. The debate is on economics and jobs.

    Right now Tumulty is asking Gingrich about all the expenses on healthcare that come near end of life.

    Gingrich: No to Washington bureaucrats determining the course of healthcare. Says Palin was unfairly attacked on death panels. Says the prostate rules recently changed will kill.

    Tumulty to Bachmann: How do we know money is going to effective treatments?

    Bachmann: We asked Obama and he mumbled. Then Obama said Obamacare. Obama wants Medicare to collapse and everyone goes on Obamacare and 15 political appointees will make all the decisions.

  2. Oh. That stinks. I guess I’ll have to rely on the comments by the hillaryis44 hardcore debate-viewers. It is not convenient for me. I have been listening for the past ten minutes and haven’t heard one question directed to Perry. Gingrich has had 3, Huntsman and Santorum both had a shot. Bachmann has had two.
    Haven’t heard from Perry, Romney or Cain. Another questiuoin to Huntsman.

    This is very strange.

    They’re all sitting around an oval table.

    Gingrich did get in a few jabs about Bernanke and why hasn’t the media investigated the trillions he has sent overseas and he said Bernanke should be in jail and Rose asked, somewhat incredulously, if Gingrich meant it and that just made Newt light into Bernanke even more.

    Even Ron Paul has had a question. Now Huntsman has another question.


  3. Charlie Rose: Who are your advisors?

    Huntsman: My dad is the great influence in my life. I created a flat tax in Utah. I want advisors who know how the economy works but there are so many checks few want to get into government.

    Rose: What would you do?

    Huntsman: Let’s do it the old way, work in Washington and then go home. We need to do something that is doable.

    Rose: What about Cain’s 9-9-9?

    Huntsman: I thought it was the price of pizza.

  4. Cain demands opportunity to answer.

    Cain: It’s not the price of pizza. It has been vetted. It will pass because the people want it to pass.

    Tumulty: Who are your advisors?

    Cain: 9-9-9 came from a friend Richard Lowery of Cleveland is my lead economist.

  5. Re fighting Obama: Just in case anyone has missed it,

    Folks, if you believe that today’s news conference to trumpet the arrest of an Iranian American and the alleged disruption of an Iranian terror plot was a legit announcement … In fact, the timing of this news conference was deliberately orchestrated to shift attention from the pending Congressional subpoena of Eric Holder for his past lies about what he knew about Fast and Furious. […]

    … today’s press conference went swell until one reporter asked about Fast and Furious. Holder cut off the press event at that point.


  6. I don’t buy the theory that these protests were organized by the Demoecratic brain trust. There’s way too much that can go wrong for them with a crowd this radical, from momentum for a primary challenge to the sort of nightmare scenario described by Rendell in recalling the 1968 Democratic convention.


    Sensible comment. And all the more reason the Dims are trying to co-opt it ASAP.

  7. Juliana Goldman: What would you do in case of a financial meltdown here caused by Europe different from Geither and Bernanke?

    Romney: It’s a hypothetical. You take action before bad things happen. I will not bail out wealthy institutions.

    Goldman: Another Wall Street Bailout?

    Goldman: You said in 2008 it prevented a meltdown?

    Romney: It could have been a complete collapse of our financial system.

    Rose: You agree with Gingrich that Bernanke has to go?

    Romney: I am not the nominee yet. I wish Milton Friedman was still available. I talk to many business leaders and economists.

  8. This format is more flattering to the candidates on a visual level, IMHO. The close-ups of the faces and seeing their expressions works. Even Romney is coming across as less formal.

    But half hour in and I haven’t heard a peep from Perry. Romney is actually quite animated right now.

    Back to Cain.

  9. Goldman: You liked the bailouts?

    Cain: It was necessary but the implementation was at fault.

    Newt: We might have a meltdown. Paulson, Bernanke and Geithner did not have a clue. Every decision document at the fed must be released because we need to see what was done right and wrong.

    Rose: Would you get the government out of housing?

    Paul: That’s where moral hazard comes from and the distortions. The Austrian economists had it right. There was a housing bubble due to Fannie Mac and easy credit. The middle class lost their houses. We need something new and different. We can’t continue to prop up the debt.


  10. Basil99 Perry was asked a question about the economy and he said energy policy was the key. We were too slow on the uptake right at the beginning.

    But there has not been much Perry.

  11. O.M.G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Did you see the Smirk and the swallow and the look of disgust on Rose’s face when he finally said, after the break and after showing a Reagan clip, Let’s go to the governor of Texas.

    Perry wants a balanced budget amendment.

    Back to you-know-who – Romney.

  12. Some video clips now being shown:

    First is Reagan on higher deficits versus stimulus.

    Rose: Do you agree?

    Perry: It was a different time. Reagan traded lower taxes for higher deficits. Americans never see a cut in spending. We need a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

    Rose: If the super committees can’t agree there will be automatic cuts so don’t you agree with Reagan that a deal is necessary?

    Romney: The government keeps taking more tax revenue. We need to cut taxes and cap spending. We also need to get our economy to grow. Get Americans back to work.

    Tumulty: The actual choice is between the automatic cuts or deals?

    Romney: Bad idea to raise taxes and we should not cut defense. I want to see the super-committee rein in the government.

    Rose: Without any increase in revenue?

    Newt: Your question shows how Washington works. The bill is stupid. All the spending cut can be repealed.

    Bachmann: I was a leading voice against increasing the debt ceiling. No more blank checks to Obama.

  13. Basil 🙂 Howdy friend!! I read every day LOL. Gotta hand it to Cain, he is making great headway here as well.

  14. The next clip is Cain talking about 9-9-9.

    Goldman: Bloomberg government disputes your claim that your plan is revenue neutral.

    Cain: Your analysis is incorrect. They start with assumptions. We throw out the tax code. 999 expands the base. 999 does not pivot from current tax law and the plan is revenue neutral.

    Goldman: So Americans would pay higher prices for bread and milk.

    Cain: There is no tax on use goods.

    Goldman: Do you a tax lawyer agree?

    Bachmann: This is a tax not a jobs plan. This new revenue stream will lead to higher taxes. Turn 999 upside down and the devil is in the details.

  15. Next clip: Romney clip to get tough with China.

    Tumulty: You object to that but aren’t we already in a trade war with China?

    Huntsman: I don’t agree with Trump. China will respond that quantatative easing is the same thing as currency manipulation. We would have a trade war. We need to export to China.

    Tumulty: NH has lost many manufacturing jobs to China. But voters have heard tough talk before. Why do you have credibility on this?

    Romney: Too many have been suckered. We need to call cheating for what it is. China does not want a trade war. On Day 1 I will issue an executive order calling China a currency manipulator and take them to court.

    Perry: We need to get Americans to work. We don’t need 9-9-9, we need to free this country to develop the energy industry. The manufacturing will come back to this country. We did it in Texas. The jobs came back to Texas.

  16. Perry finally woke up but he’s inventing words today.

    Impactful? There was another during his only other response.

  17. David Cote clip – American competitiveness agenda – what is on yours? Specifically?

    Santorum: I want to beat China. We need my agenda not Herman’s plan.

    Rose: If you keep mentioning Cain, I’ll have to keep going back to him.

    Cain: That’s right (wide grin).

    Santorum: Waivers against Obamacare won’t work Mitt. We need to repeal it via reconciliation.

    Cain: This is the difference between me and the politicians – I want to do what is right, they want to only talk about what they think is possible.

    Romney: Waivers is only the first step. Repeal and Replace and I have a plan to replace.

    Huntsman: You can’t waive it all away. The IRS is already working on this.

    Romney: You missed that I said I would repeal it.

    BREAK and then the candidates question each other.

  18. Too bad this debate is not televised. Thus far it has been pretty good. Cain is doing very well and is a target. Perry is still a bit too slow to get to his point, but improving. Romney is strong.

  19. Basil99, are you upset because Cain took two of your 9s?


    Or, as Bachmann would say, two upside down sixes.


  20. BMO,

    You missed the part where Bachmann worked 666 (you know – the mark of the beast) – into one of her comments.

  21. Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

    Cain clobbered Romney with whether he could name all 59 points in his plan but Romney responded with an uppercut saying that simple explanations are good but don’t always address the complexity of financial issues. (paraphrasing)

    And Perry answered a Bachmann question OK but seemed like he was speaking as slow as possi ble.

  22. BASIL99
    October 11th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    You missed the part where Bachmann worked 666 (you know – the mark of the beast) – into one of her comments.


  23. I didn’t know Romney’s business group started Staples. Is that what he said?

    Now Paul going after Cain – said Cain called some of us (candidates) ignorant for wanting to audit the Fed.

    Do you still think this is frivolous or do you think it’s important?

    Cain – I didn’t call anyone ignorant. You misquoted me.,

  24. 30 seconds for question, 1 minute to respond – on the economy.

    Bachmann: Reagan produced an economic miracle. At that time you supported Al Gore, you increased bond debt as Governor. How can we trust you?

    Perry: In Texas we were all Democrats. I told Micheal Reagan to the Republican Party than Ronald Reagan did. As to the debt Texas is one of the lowest on debt.

    Cain: Can you name all 59 points on your plan so that it is fair and neutral and transparent?

    Romney: Simple answers are usually inadequate. We have to stop regulatory creep. We need good trade policy. The rule of law, not National Labor Relations Board. We need institutions that create human capital. Finally don’t spend more than you make.

    Gingrich: There’s a lot good in your plan. But Obama wages class warfare. In your plan you do the same.

    Romney: Middle class Americans have been hurt the most by Obama. Median income under Obama has gone down by 10%. The rich will do well, the poor have a safety net, the middle class are the ones hurt.

    Huntsman: You were 47 in job creation as governor of Massachusetts and in your business life, how can you win?

    Romney: We started Staples, Sports Authority and other good companies. People want someone who is successful and who understands the economy.

    Paul: You were a Kansas governor of the Fed. You have attacked those of us who want an audit of the Fed. Do you still stick by this?

    Cain: You are misquoting me. I never called you or your people ignorant. In the 1990s we did not do what this Fed is doing. We did not have this much debt. I do not object to the Fed being audited. I have been misrepresented. It is not my top priority. My top priority is 9-9-9 and Jobs, jobs, jobs.

  25. Perry: Your advisor has said that Romneycare is Obamacare.

    Romney: We took on a major problem with 8% of our population without insurance. Obamacare takes over health care. Obamacare also raises taxes and cuts Medicare. You have a million kids uninsured in Texas. I care about people. I am not running for governor of Massachusetts.

    Romney: What do you do to help Americans make ends meet beyond tax policies?

    Bachmann: I am a mother and I have solutions other than the tax code.

  26. Perry looks like his mind is elsewhere; not on the debate- The star of the night, as much as I hate saying it, is Mittens-

  27. Romney clearly threw a lifeline with his question to Bachmann in order to keep her alive and keep the anti-Romney vote divided.

  28. Who are the 4 Santorum is talking about?

    Huntsman, Perry, Romney and Cain supported TARP accordin to Santorum

  29. Santorum: I opposed the Wall Street bailouts. There are 4 people here who say they are against Washington but supported the bailouts? Can we trust you with your lack of experience?

    Cain: We are trying to fix the real problem. I want a two-thirds vote before they can raise 9-9-9. Also since it is easy to understand the American people will stop it. Third, as President I won’t sign it.


  30. Agree that Romney is doing well. So WAS Gingrich.

    Perry seems like he’s afraid to say anything. What happened to his Texas swagger?

  31. Got to admit- Cain is well prepared. Must have had many mock debates. However, I’m so sick of being called a rascist, that alone would prevent me from voting for him.

  32. I’m so sick of being called a rascist, that alone would prevent me from voting for him.


    Perry was all over the map in that response to a healthcare question.

    He’s not coming off well. Many irritating grammatical mistakes – nonagreement between nouns and verbs – simple stuff but noticeable.

  34. I’d vote for any of them I suppose but in all honesty I do like Cain so far and I’ve been following him a while. He’s refreshingly honest.

  35. Cain has more vibrancy than any of these @#$%ers, but this 9 9 9 stuff is sounding like a cartoon. But whichever one gets the nod gets my vote.

  36. WTF??????????

    A person in the audience asks a question about small biz and Rose says who are you directing it to and she says I thought I was supposed to address it to you and Rose turns it over to Romney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  37. Rose: Healthcare in Texas?

    Perry: We created some programs but our big problem is Medicaid. We need to have the blockgrants go to the states.

    Tumulty: Texas has had 16 waivers. How can you say there was no federal help?

    Perry: We governors need the blockgrants without strings not one size fits all.

    Goldman: Which Fed chairman would be a model for your choice for fed chair.

    Cain: Greenspan because I worked under him. I have to candidates in mind already.

    Goldman: Paul?

    Paul: Greenspan was a disaster! Interest rates were too low too long. Paul Volker at least ended the inflation. I am against the Fed though. Alan Greenspan ushered in the biggest bubble. The answer is not to inflate the bubble even more. Greenspan used to believe in the gold standard and he is coming back to it.

    Woman: I own a business and need help with credit.

    Romney: The big banks will not be hurt because they have hundreds of lawyers. Small community banks will be hurt by the new regulations.

    Bachmann: Dodds-Frank will destroy businesses. There is too much compliance and regulations. Thousands of banks will close. Job destruction. Dodd-Frank is the reason for the $5 banking fee.

    Cain: Repeal Dodd-Frank. Get rid of capital gains tax.

    Paul: Dodd-Frank is a disaster. Sarbanes-Oxley was a Republican plan and it is a disaster too.

  38. Perry, my favorite Christian Zionist, does not appear ready or able ….kinda embarrassing quite frankly.

  39. Tumulty: Taxpayers will lose hundreds of millions on Solyndra?

    Perry: The Federal government should not do this, the states should.

    Tumulty: There are accusations that your government did the same as Solyndra.

    Perry: The Texas legislature has full oversight for the Enterprise Fund in Texas.

    Tumulty: Your appointees have overruled some of the regional boards.

    Perry: There is a lot of oversight. Texas created one million jobs while the nation lost jobs.

  40. Oh BLAHGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tumulty trying to compare Perry’s investing in emerging technologies to Solyndra and saying BO did the same thing on a national level that Perry did on a state level.

    She didn’t even let him get his answer out and launched into a well-prepared speech attacking Perry.

  41. Damn it, if focking Newt Gingrich wasn’t such a disgusting human … His responses are more thoughtful and thorough than the others.

  42. Last clip of George W. Bush praising high ownership rates.

    Rose: Is the home ownership dream over?

    Gingrich: There are a lot of Jimmy Carter’s and Barack Obama’s who believe in the decline of America. If we get our act together we can beat China.

    Goldman: You said ‘don’t blame Wall Street, blame yourselves” is that your answer to unemployment?

    Cain: That was directed at the Occupy Wall Street people.

    Goldman: Obama’s jobs bill stalled today in the Senate.

    Romney: We’ve seen this before. Obama’s bills are a failure. We have to stop spending money on “stimulus” bills. Employers don’t hire people for two years. We need more than a temporary shift in tax policy.

  43. Oh JEEZUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tummulty is the designated Perry basher. What a Bytch. And she savors every second.


  44. Oh I can’t stand it when Rose says All right all right – reminds me of the moderator a few debates ago –

    Whose yelling from the audience?

  45. Rose: Let’s discuss economic disparity.

    Tumulty: There is a lot of wealth increase but many do not have jobs.

    Perry: Obama is a jobs killer. This president is the biggest deterrent to getting this country back on track.

    Santorum: The biggest problem is the breakdown of the American family.

    Interruption by audience member.

    Rose: What do you want to connect to the American people with? A sense of what about you recognizes their pain and their hope.

    Bachmann: When my parents divorced we went below poverty. We took 23 foster children into my home.

    Cain: I connect because I was poor. My father had three jobs. Surround yourself with the right people. Have bold plans.

    Gingrich: I was an army brat family. I have unemployed family members. We have to say “this is how I will solve it.”

    Paul: My goal is to promote liberty. A free market system gives us prosperity. The welfare state backfires.

    Santorum: I grew up in a poor town. We have to create jobs.

    Huntsman: I helped build a family business and presided over a state with low unemployment.

    PerrY: I am a son of tenant farmers and wore my country’s uniform. I have the CEO experience as governor. They are begging for someone to make America America again.

    Romney: We have to make the future better than today. I am devoted to making America the strongest nation in the world.

    IT’S OVER.

  46. Too bad the fuycking system stole Hillary’s presidency and we are having to sit through our downfall. None of this would be necessary had things not been stolen from her. I’m still traumatized.

  47. Romney got more face time

    I’d put it at

    Gingrich / Romney
    Huntsman (gaaaaaaaaaahhhhh)

  48. Re: Cain’s 999 plan

    My understanding is that there would still be withholding, but the 9% would replace the current payroll tax (even the employer portion) which is roughly 15%, plus your income tax, so you’d come out cheaper on that part.

    I don’t have a big problem with the 999 thing IF there were a few adjustments made (exempting food, for instance). You could do a very few progressive brackets on just the income tax part and still not have it be too complex, I’d bet. It just doesn’t make for a snappy slogan to say 4-6-9-12…9-9 plan. 😀

    The one thing that I do like about consumption taxes, so long as they are not too high, is that it makes everyone pay – even illegal aliens, tourists, drug lords, and all the underground economy. Exempting used goods makes thrifty folks happy, and is good for recycling/repurposing/reusing.

    And I do like that he is at least talking about getting rid of the complicated monstrosity we have now, which is seriously FUBAR. I like the idea of a simple, straightforward, broad-based, loophole-free tax system that has no choice but to remain transparent, just by virtue of its simplicity. And he seems like the kind of guy who would be open to practical suggestions for refining his plan later.

    I’m grateful that Cain is at least making something other than the same-old same-old a part of the conversation, at any rate.

    As for Newt: Newt is the smartest guy in room, but I always get the feeling that he’d morph into giant DC-eating ego if ever given the one true ring of power.

  49. Oh, and BTW – Perry didn’t bomb tonight like the did before, but it was still a meh performance. He needed better than Meh.

    Two man race now between Cain and Romney.

  50. Every once in a while, I come upon big ideas wrapped up in a relatively few words. Here is such:

    Do you think they are actually going to do the right, logical, sensible,
    moral and feasible thing and let the “to big to fail” banks fail like they should?

    Put a firewall between the JP Morgan Chase, Citibank, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and HSBC’s $238 TRILLION dollars in derivative exposure, and normal banking functions, like your savings, business loans, etc. Let the casinos fail; they are already bankrupt many times over by rational accounting. We are all serving the insane casino system as it is now.

    It could be done in, say, 5 days, during an imposed bank holiday.

    That’s the target. That is where the “Occupy Wall Street” movement worldwide has to go.

    Doing this with Obama in residence is almost certainly impossible, so he has to get out.

    So there you have it.

    Personally, I think Nov 2012 is a time marker that just serves denial of the real situation. Before that date we will experience transatlantic Weimar hyperinflation or financial system explosion/disintegration.

  51. admin and all – looks like you had a productive evening. Thanks for keeping track.
    With Obama you get the State Of Crazy:

    Voters share blame for gridlock in Congress, Dem leader says
    …Many of the freshman Republicans have taken a hard stand against government spending. As a result, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has been unable to pass some of the biggest budget bills of the year without Democratic support — an odd dynamic that has prolonged debate on the year’s must-pass spending proposals, several of which have bumped up against the deadline for a government shutdown…

  52. Just a little ‘pearl’ I’m dropping in the my 2 cents box- this morning…

    “Michele Bachmann says if you turn Herman Cain’s “9-9-9” plan upside down it becomes 6-6-6. “I think the devil is in the details,” she said at the GOP debate.”

    years ago, I read the Satanic Bible- It said, the numbers 666 is the layman’s understanding of the mark of the devil. According to the book, the devil represents opposites i.e. good vs evil, up vs down, black vs white, 666 vs 999.

    The genuine mark of the devil IS 999. Another reason, I don’t want Cain as the nominee, besides the racist damage left by Obama after he’s out.

  53. Obama Tells Advisers To Find How To Approve Stimulus Projects “Without Additional Congressional Authorization” This is a real American President looking out for our best interests?: video


    “Scour this report, identify all those areas in which we can act administratively without additional congressional authorization and just get it done,” President Obama said today to a “Jobs Council” meeting.”

  54. Steny Hoyer carrying water for Obama, promoting Obama’s meme? It’s the victims fault! Same meme used by the OWS crowd.

    Voters share blame for gridlock in Congress, Dem leader says

    By Mike Lillis – 10/11/11

    The Hill

    House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer suggested Tuesday that voters are to blame for the partisan bickering and standoffs that have defined Congress this year.

    The Maryland Democrat said voters are “absolutely right” to think that “Congress isn’t working very well.” But that dysfunction, he said, is largely of their own making.

    “The American people have every right to be angry [and] disappointed by the performance of the Congress,” Hoyer told reporters in the Capitol. “Of course, the American people have also elected people with hard stances, so that to some degree the American people are realizing the results of their votes.

    “If elections have consequences — which I think they do — some of those consequences are getting what you vote for,” Hoyer added. “In this case, many people voted for people who thought compromise was not something that they ought to participate in.”

    In response to the economic downturn and deficit spending, voters last year sent scores of Republicans to Capitol Hill with a mandate to fight rising debt.

    Many of the freshman Republicans have taken a hard stand against government spending. As a result, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has been unable to pass some of the biggest budget bills of the year without Democratic support — an odd dynamic that has prolonged debate on the year’s must-pass spending proposals, several of which have bumped up against the deadline for a government shutdown.

    The year’s budget debate culminated in the creation of the deficit-reduction supercommittee, a 12-member, bipartisan panel charged with identifying $1.5 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade. The move was acknowledgement that Congress, in the current political environment, likely couldn’t muster the political will to make those tough choices through traditional legislative channels.


  55. This analysis before last night’s debate. Although, Romney was the clear winner with Cain his close second…

    Electoral Vote Advantage Goes to Mitt Romney

    While national public opinion polls are fun to examine, the real action for handicappers, of course, is in the Electoral College.
    Against Romney, who currently looks like the strongest GOP general election nominee and is better known and more thoroughly vetted than other Republican hopefuls. Of course, there is no certainty that the former Massachusetts governor will win his party’s nomination.

    While the president’s popularity is down among almost all groups, the Democratic base is likely to turn out strongly for him next year. African-Americans and younger voters, many of whom sat out the 2010 midterms, surely will be more energized next year by the president’s re-election campaign than they were last year, providing him with a significant boost in states with large black and liberal constituencies.

    Obama starts out being certain or likely to carry 14 reliably Democratic states plus the District of Columbia, for a total of 186 electoral votes. Included in that list are seven states with double-digit electoral votes. All of the states but three — Illinois, Vermont and D.C. — have coastline on either the Atlantic or the Pacific oceans.

    One solid Obama state, Maine, divides its electoral vote by Congressional district, and it’s possible that the state’s 2nd district could be carried by Romney. However, right now that isn’t likely.

    Romney, on the other hand, begins with a prohibitive advantage in 23 reliably Republican states and 191 electoral votes. One of the states that Romney would be likely to win, Indiana, was carried in 2008 by Obama. Only six of the 23 states in the Romney column have double-digit electoral votes, reflecting the Republican Party’s strength in more sparsely populated states.

    That leaves 13 states in the competitive category, with Obama needing 84 of the remaining 161 electoral votes and Romney needing 79.
    New Mexico, with its large Hispanic population, Democratic-leaning Minnesota and quirky New Hampshire still look like tossups, but some of the other key 13 states don’t.

    Given Obama’s job ratings, the public’s dissatisfaction with the country’s direction and the state of the economy, it’s difficult to imagine him winning the two big prizes, Ohio and Florida, again. Both states traditionally have preferred the GOP nominee when Democrats are on the defensive, as they will be next year. That’s 47 Electoral College votes for Romney.

    Two Southern states, Virginia and North Carolina, could be competitive, but it’s certainly a stretch to call them tossups. Unlike 2008, Obama isn’t a blank-slate agent for change. Both states lean toward Romney, who would likely have enough appeal in the suburbs and among white independents to give him an edge. That is an additional 28 Electoral College votes for Romney.

    Winning those four states would put Romney at 266 electoral votes, just four shy of the magic number.

    The most obvious candidate for pushing Romney over the top is Colorado (9 electoral votes), Iowa (6) or Nevada (6).

    Obama won 53.7 percent of Colorado’s vote in 2008, but the Democratic nominee took only 47 percent in 2004 and 42.4 percent in 2000. This time, Obama will struggle with independent voters because he won’t benefit from the public’s dissatisfaction with the incumbent president. That makes him an underdog in the state.

    FACT: Unless the president can change the current political dynamic, he could well lose most or all of the remaining competitive states to Romney, who has enough appeal among swing voters to help him carry those states.

    For now, then, Romney has a slight electoral vote advantage over the president.


  56. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46761

    How did a failing California solar company, buffeted by short sellers and shareholder lawsuits, receive a $1.2 billion federal loan guarantee for a photovoltaic electricity ranch project—three weeks after it announced it was building new manufacturing plant in Mexicali, Mexico, to build the panels for the project.

    The company, SunPower (SPWR-NASDAQ), now carries $820 million in debt, an amount $20 million greater than its market capitalization. If SunPower was a bank, the feds would shut it down. Instead, it received a lifeline twice the size of the money sent down the Solyndra drain.

    Two men with insight into the process are SunPower rooter Rep. George R. Miller III, (D.-Calif.), the senior Democrat on the House Education and Workforce Committee and the co-chairman of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee, and his SunPower lobbyist son, George Miller IV.

    Miller the Elder is a strong advocate for SunPower, which converted an old Richmond, Calif., Ford plant in his district to a panel-manufacturing facility.

    The congressman hosted an Oct. 14, 2010, tour of the plant with company CEO Thomas H. Werner and Interior Secretary Kenneth L. Salazar to promote the company’s fortunes.

    “The path to a clean energy economy starts here, in places like SunPower’s research and development facility,” said Salazar during the tour.

    “The work that comes from these facilities transforms renewable energy ideas into a reality. When renewable energy companies continue to invest in places like California, the realization of a new energy future is within our reach,” he said.

    Miller the Elder said he was grateful for Salazar’s interest.

    “We’ve worked hard to make renewable energy a priority because it represents America’s future economic growth. Today, businesses like SunPower are moving forward, hiring 200 people for good clean energy jobs in the East Bay,” he said.

    “By fostering a business climate that encourages companies like SunPower, even more good jobs will be created locally, we’ll reduce demand for dirty energy sources, and we’ll cut customers’ utility bills. That’s the right direction,” he said.

    SunPower’s political action committee (PAC) was not shy about participating in the political process either.

    According to the SunPower PAC filings for its activities in the 2010 midterm election campaign cycle, it donated more than $36,000. Of the $15,650 donated to House and Senate candidates, $14,650 went to Democrats, with these top recipients: $4,000 to Sen. Harry Reid (D.-Nev.), $3,000 to Rep. Gabrielle Gifford (D.-Ariz.) and $2,900 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D.-Calif.).

    The congressman was not forgotten either. The SunPower PAC remembered him with $500 for his 2010 campaign. While SunPower was a financial partner in the congressman’s reelection campaign, it straight-out hired his son.

    Miller the Younger is not registered to lobby in Washington, but he is a member of its bar. He is not a member of the California bar, home of his lobbying firm, Lang, Hansen, O’Malley and Miller (LHOM), of which he is a founding partner.

    According the firm’s website LHOM specializes in providing advice to clients on larger macro political issues trends. “Utilizing our broad experience in California and Washington, D.C., we can furnish ‘big picture’ analysis of developing political and policy trends which may affect client interests and goals.”

    What does Miller the Younger bring? Read here: “George Miller brings a lifetime of friendships, relationships, and contacts together with over 15 years of front-line advocacy experience. He’s an attorney with expertise that ranges from insurance and banking to transportation, taxation and gaming law,” according to the website. “Unlike most advocates, George is at ease working both the corridors of Sacramento power or the halls of Congress.”

  57. I read this great site just about every day, but you haven’t seen my name as yet. That’s because I’m more of a reader than a commentor. I decided to register and log on this morning though, because I just had to thank you for your coverage of Zucotti Park.

    I was in the area last week and calling it a zoo is being kind. I’ve visited zoos that are much cleaner and better kept than this park full of squatters. These people have been laying in their own filth for weeks and the smell of urine, feces and other garbage has permeated the air. It’s sickening!

    Well, you get the point. I hesitate to write about what I’ve seen on any other site, since so many bloggers are supporting the occupiers and encouraging them to continue. Therefore, I don’t want to enter into a debate which I can not win.

    So, I thank you again for that report. The people need to see what it is really like down there.

  58. Family calls 911 after getting lost in corn maze (Massachusetts) TG for cellphones..

    GateHouse News Service ^ | Oct 11, 2011 | Sam Trapani

    DANVERS, Mass. — An evening stroll through a corn maze took a confusing turn Monday for a family that became disoriented in the rows of corn and called 911 to ask for help. A father and mother with two children used their cellphone to call Danvers Police at 6:32 p.m. reporting that they were lost in the Connors Farm corn maze. Danvers Officer Justin Ellenton responded to the call and entered the corn maze with Connor’s Farm manager Ritchie Potter to search for the family.


  59. “The Zoo animals should get out of their cages and fight against Barack Obama. Until then, we’ll throw peanut shells into the cages and mock them.”

    Yes, we will indeed.

  60. “Unlike most advocates, George is at ease working both the corridors of Sacramento power or the halls of Congress.”

    Many accomplices greasing the wheels for these failed green companies. Jobs? Filling their pockets with undocumented kickbacks covered by documented nominal contributions perhaps?

    How many special prosecutors would be too many for this gang of democratic thieves. One thing about Obama, he never acts alone. Always sure to encounter club members willing to share the greed. Greed buys silence.

  61. NYT: “There is almost no voting fraud in America.”

    So I guess they are saying that Obama “won” the nomination, “fair and square”.


    The Myth of Voter Fraud

    Published: October 9, 2011

    It has been a record year for new legislation designed to make it harder for Democrats to vote — 19 laws and two executive actions in 14 states dominated by Republicans, according to a new study by the Brennan Center for Justice. As a result, more than five million eligible voters will have a harder time participating in the 2012 election.

    Of course the Republicans passing these laws never acknowledge their real purpose, which is to turn away from the polls people who are more likely to vote Democratic, particularly the young, the poor, the elderly and minorities. They insist that laws requiring government identification cards to vote are only to protect the sanctity of the ballot from unscrupulous voters. Cutting back on early voting, which has been popular among working people who often cannot afford to take off from their jobs on Election Day, will save money, they claim.

    None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases. The only reason Republicans are passing these laws is to give themselves a political edge by suppressing Democratic votes.

    The most widespread hurdle has been the demand for photo identification at the polls, a departure from the longstanding practice of using voters’ signatures or household identification like a utility bill. Seven states this year have passed laws requiring strict photo ID to vote, and similar measures were introduced in 27 other states. More than 21 million citizens — 11 percent of the population — do not have government ID cards. Many of them are poor, or elderly, or black and Hispanic and could have a hard time navigating the bureaucracy to get a card.

    In Kansas, the secretary of state, Kris Kobach (who also wrote Arizona’s notorious anti-immigrant law), pushed for an ID law on the basis of a list of 221 reported instances of voter fraud in Kansas since 1997. Even if that were true, it would be an infinitesimal percentage of the votes cast during that period, but it is not true.

    When The Wichita Eagle looked into the local cases on the list, the newspaper found that almost all were honest mistakes: a parent trying to vote for a student away at college, or signatures on mail-in ballots that didn’t precisely match those on file. In one case of supposed “fraud,” a confused non-citizen was asked at the motor vehicles bureau whether she wanted to fill out a voter registration form, and did so not realizing she was ineligible to vote.

    Some of the desperate Republican attempts to keep college students from voting are almost comical in their transparent partisanship. No college ID card in Wisconsin meets the state’s new stringent requirements (as lawmakers knew full well), so the elections board proposed that colleges add stickers to the cards with expiration dates and signatures. Republican lawmakers protested that the stickers would lead to — yes, voter fraud.

    Other states are beginning to require documentary proof of citizenship to vote, or are finding other ways to make it harder to register. Some are cutting back on programs allowing early voting, or imposing new restrictions on absentee ballots, alarmed that early voting was popular among black voters supporting Barack Obama in 2008. In all cases, they are abusing the trust placed in them by twisting democracy’s machinery to partisan ends.

  62. mcnorman
    October 12th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    “The Zoo animals should get out of their cages and fight against Barack Obama. Until then, we’ll throw peanut shells into the cages and mock them.”

    Yes, we will indeed.

    I liked that conclusion as well- I wonder how people buying supplementary supplies for the squatters will feel when they realize they have been used to facilitate Barack Obama’s chaos?

    heh, the nimrods probably voted for him anyway afraid they would lose their jobs if they cast a protest vote for an R.

    Follow their clueless leader over a cliff- no thanks!

  63. admin
    October 12th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Every picture tells a story:

    Indeed, an enthusiam “gap”? Or “chasm”??

    I guess it’s no fun being the Ever Shrinking President…

  64. BTW, I work 20 feet away from Zuccotti Park, and the whole scene is interesting. From what I’ve witnessed, the crowd is fairly well-behaved and the cops on their best manners.

    But the message is EXTREMELY unfocused, it’s really a catchall for people feeling vaguely pissed off at “the man”. But if they support(ed) Obama, they seem reluctant to put the blame on him, despite him being Bush III in many respects.

    “I knew Bill Clinton, and you, Sir, are no Bill Clinton”.

    Obama: “I may not be a real reformer or populist, but I play one on television…”

    Anyhoo, attempts by lefty journalists to paint this as the Left’s equivalent to the Tea Party are off base.

    The Tea Party tend to be centrist, older, very involved voters. Their message is much more focused, although there is plenty of room for divergent opinions.

    The lefty journalists also were eager to find any act of aggression on the part of the Tea Party, but the Occupied Wall Streeters are just “peaceful but slightly smelly”.

    I’ll keep y’all posted.

  65. These guys are obviously conservative with libertarian leanings, so take with a grain of salt, but this fellow went to a OWS meeting, and his observations are, I think, fair and insightful.

    Big contrast between the sincere kids and the “organizers”, according to him.


  66. Breaking –
    Rep. Darrell Issa chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, sent a subpoena Wednesday to Attorney General Eric Holder as part of his investigation into the gun trafficking operation known as “Fast and Furious.”


    Holder’s diversionary press conference yesterday apparently didn’t work. The subpoena is a day late, but it was sent nevertheless!

  67. More on this…
    October 11th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Re fighting Obama: Just in case anyone has missed it,

    Folks, if you believe that today’s news conference to trumpet the arrest of an Iranian American and the alleged disruption of an Iranian terror plot was a legit announcement … In fact, the timing of this news conference was deliberately orchestrated to shift attention from the pending Congressional subpoena of Eric Holder for his past lies about what he knew about Fast and Furious. […]

    … today’s press conference went swell until one reporter asked about Fast and Furious. Holder cut off the press event at that point.


    The idea that they would attempt to go to a Mexican drug cartel to solicit murder-for-hire to kill the Saudi ambassador, nobody could make that up, right?” [Hillary]Clinton told The Associated Press.

  68. Leanora, it’s nice to ‘see’ you.
    Hope Holder’s subpoena makes the news. Here’s another pick I could not refuse, & since I’m not familiar with the source, I included a bit about them – they are associated with McClatchy too.

    U.S. State Dept. contacts Khan family | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper

    An official from the U.S. State Department has called the Charlotte family of al-Qaida propagandist Samir Khan to offer the government’s condolences on his death in a U.S. drone attack last week in Yemen, according to a family spokesman.
    “They were very apologetic (for not calling the family sooner) and offered condolences,” Jibril Hough said about the Thursday call from the State Department to Khan’s father, Zafar.
    The phone call came a day after the family released a statement through Hough that condemned the “assassination” of their 25-year-old son – a U.S. citizen – and said they were “appalled” that they had not heard from the U.S. government to discuss their son’s remains or answer questions about why Khan was not afforded due process.
    On Friday, State Department spokesman Harry Edwards confirmed to the Observer that the call had been made, but said “privacy issues” kept him from offering details.
    Hough said the Thursday conversation lasted a few minutes.
    “It wasn’t just ‘I’m sorry’ and hang-up,” said Hough, who added that the phone call included no discussion of the status or condition of Khan’s remains.
    Khan was killed along with cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.
    Also a U.S. citizen, al-Awlaki was a leader of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula and appeared to be the main target of the drone attack.
    Hough said Khan’s father’s reaction to the call was “kind of positive and optimistic.”
    “The (family) statement appears to have gotten their attention.”
    But, Hough added, the family would still like answers to the civil liberties-related questions.
    “The discussion doesn’t stop with a phone call, though the contact was a step in the right direction,” he said.

    Mission Statement: We deliver what people need to discover and understand the region.

    ” … the mission remains the same as it has been for decades: to report clearly, truthfully, completely. The Observer has shared one Pulitzer Prize and won three others outright, including two for public service, the pinnacle of American journalism (only seven newspapers have won more).”

    – Ann Caulkins, Publisher, The Charlotte Observer

  69. Re: OWS and the teaparties:

    I have never been to a teaparty or a teaparty meeting, but I know lots and lots of people who have. I personally know the man who singlehandedly organized the San Antonio protests.

    One big difference: at the teaparty meetings, it was very very rare to have any of the astroturf groups (Freedomworks or whoever) running the show and the agenda, doing all the prior training, etc. Teaparties were free to go after their “own” party with primaries etc because they, while not entirely free of them, were markedly unentangled with and reliant on them.

    The teapartiers ran their own meetings – with schoolteachers and truckdrivers and LOCAL businesspeople. Almost all of them, (though a few might have welcomed some advertising help or whatever from “official” groups), ran the show themselves with people who had zero connection to GOP fundraising groups and PACs.

    You did not see people whose paid job it is to “organize” coaching the groups in big meetings before their protests. There was no one there in any official capacity 90% of the time. You could find a few paid organizers hanging around the teaparty groups, but they were very very few.

    OWS is crawling with paid operatives from unions, OFA, Acorn, etc – both in the street and in the “organizing” meetings. Literally crawling with them. You can’t swing a cat without hitting people whose CAREER it is to organize at these OWS events. That was simply not true of the teaparty events and meetings. It just wasn’t.

    For me, it’s a question of accumulation of data points. Are there a few data points that indicate that the teaparties were astroturf, or at least that GOP PAC’s etc tried to make them so? Of course there are. But not that many, considering the size of the movement.

    Looking at OWS, there is an avalanche of data points showing involvement on every level of official Dem and professional advocacy group involvement. They are everywhere.
    You need lots of data points to mark a trend. The teaparty had a few. OWS has a ton.

    Biggest honking data point. The GOP was scared shitless of the teaparty, and it was very evident in their tone and demeanor.

    Seen any fear of OWS on the Dem side? Seen them shaking in their boots that this “rogue” group is going to take over their cushy cocktail party?

    I haven’t.

    That’s a screaming neon sign with sirens as far as I’m concerned.

  70. Where’s the fear?

    The GOP very obviously feared the teaparty.

    The Democratic Party very obviously does not fear OWS.


  71. This part of the new Issa subpoenas caught my eye:

    22. All surveillance tapes recorded by pole cameras inside the Lone Wolf Trading Co. store between 12:00 a.m. on October 3, 2010 and 12:00 a.m. on October 7, 2010.

    Interesting. My bet is that they have a whistleblower who says some veeeery sensitive things were discussed/done in that store on the days in question. And Issa wants the tapes to back up his witness.

  72. On my walk to public transportation, on the way home from work last night, I passed a new Occupy bla bla protest site. It was more like a tiny sleepover where they had their ‘donate’ to support us bowl, big bottles of water, a few dogs and about 15 people of all ages in the little area.

    I couldn’t resist, so I walked up to one young man and after he asked if I support the 99%…I cut him off and decided to try and plant a seed and educate him. For every talking point he started, I ended it with…the person responsible for this extended downturn in the economy is Obama…”He lied to you!”

    Every excuse he started to give me, I redirected him to the broken promises of Obama, the health care plan he attacked Hillary for and the lie he told about the $2500 tax exempt for the uninsured to buy health care like folks in the senate had.

    I wasn’t ripping on him, so he was open to listening. I also pointed out that Obama has no clue what he is doing, that he tells people what they want to hear and he still has no experience and is not a leader. To put the blame where it belongs (smack on Obama) and not just vent.

    He did admit there was no leader to this movement, that people all had different reasons for protesting and they were aware that Obama and the Dems were trying to claim the protest as theirs…but it wasn’t true.

    By the time I left, he was starting to see the light, the piece of the puzzle he couldn’t make on his own…hopefully he will enlighten others he meets and not give Obama any more free passes.

  73. votermom
    October 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    My conclusion after the debate? We’re doomed.

    Right now, looks like Romney. He’ll say anything to get elected.

    As much as I detest career politicians, experience matters, and I don’t think Cain’s business experience alone will translate to effective government leadership.

    Honestly, stinkin’ Gingrich sounds better than ANY of them, and he’ll always be a pig to me.

  74. I agree with this, 100%.

    Tom in Paine:

    Conservative congressman compares Occupy Wall Street to American Revolutionaries.

    Peter King, a right wing New York Republican congressman joined the growing list of Republicans condemning the Occupy Wall Street protests that continues to spread far beyond Wall Street with smaller protests cropping up in cities from coast to coast, but King’s condemnation was especially amusing since, without realizing it, he compared the protestors to the American colonists who revolted against British rule.

    In an interview with right wing radio host Laura Ingrahm, King referred to the Occupy Wall Street protestors as “anarchists” and a “rag tag mob”, precisely the same language the British used in referring to American colonists who revolted against King George. Which makes King’s name even more appropriate. He’s now the second king to refer to American protestors as “anarchists” and a “rag tag mob”.

    King was also concerned was that the Occupy Wall Street protestors were getting too much attention from the media, something he had no problem with when the Tea Party organized protests.

    Referring to the peaceful protestors as a “mob”, King said:

    “We have to be careful not to allow this ( the protests) to get any legitimacy,” he warned. “I’m taking this seriously in that I’m old enough to remember what happened in the 1960’s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy,” he said. “We can’t allow that to happen.”

    The policies that King referred to that were shaped by the protests of the 1960’s that he objects to were civil rights, equal rights for African Americans, the Voting Rights Act that gave African Americans the right to vote, integration, equality for women, insistence that 18 year olds who were old enough to get drafted and be sent to war were old enough to vote for or against those who send them there, respect for the global environment with protests against polluting the air and water, sexual freedom, freedom of speech, an end to social double standards, and an end to an ongoing war that killed 50,000 American soldiers needlessly because of egregious miscalculations by two presidents and the super ego of one, Richard Nixon.

    In two sentences about the Occupy Wall Street protests, King summed up everything that is at the root of all liberal vs. conservative animosity and conflict. Not only have conservatives still not gotten over losing the Civil War, they haven’t gotten over the 60’s either when so many of the conformist, unequal, unconstitutional and narrow minded values they cherished were exposed as frauds and demolished.

    Mayor Bloomberg might have a point when he says that the Occupy Wall Street protestors miss the point that it’s the taxes these banks and Wall Street firms pay that help pay for the services in the city that benefits everyone. But Mayor Bloomberg misses a different point — that it was the taxes paid by average working people that went to prop up these banks that were on the verge of collapse because of the sheer greed, ineptitude and incompetence of those who controlled them. Average working people saw their tax money spent on cleaning up the egregious and dishonest mistakes of bank presidents and investment houses and benefit the people with the multi-million dollar salaries, the people who caused all the problems in the first place but, thanks to government bail outs didn’t lose their jobs ( a case can be made that many of them should have gone to jail much less lose their jobs), while not enough of their tax payer money went to saving their own jobs and the economies of their own communities.

    The biggest point the protestors are missing is that the inequality and injustice they now feel is not the fault of the banks or Wall Street who are only doing what the law allows. That fault can be laid directly at the feet of Barrack Obama who, despite a huge congressional Democratic majority watered down Financial Reform and took out its most important provisions.” Too big to fail” the concept that was at the heart of the tax payer bailout of dishonest and egregious bank policies has not been fixed because Obama caved in to Wall Street and bank pressure on that and almost everything else, a pattern which followed his caving in to pressure from health insurance companies by dropping the public option.

    It is not the banks or Wall Street that has to go. It’s Obama. And the sooner these protestors realize that and move their protests to Washington and Democratic National Committee headquarters to push for another Democratic candidate to challenge Obama for the presidential nomination, the better things will be.


  75. Tom in Paine again, his message to the left…


    Here is what Democrats and so called “progressives” need to get through their heads. Accomplishing nothing is exactly what Obama did in his previous 11 years of elected office. And being intellectually and politically dishonest and duplicious is also exactly what Obama had been in his previous 11 years of elected office and what he was during the entire 2008 Democratic primary season. .Its there for anyone to see. It’s who and what he is. And isnt. And what he is always going to be.

    But to listen to MoveOn and congressional Democrats trying to raise money, it’s the Republicans that are the problem.

    It’s not as if these same people didn’t know about Obama. His 11 year record of total non-accomplishment was not only common knowledge, it was for a time a source of amusement. Geraldine Ferraro pointed out that with his record of non-accomplishment, with his 11 years of doing absolutely nothing in elected office, if he had been white he’d be a joke as a presidential candidate She was right though the press and Obama supporters labeled her a racist for saying so. It’s now three years later and many Democrats and progressive groups don’t seem to get the joke. Maybe because it’s on them and they still don’t want to admit it.

    Here is something else to face: Obama not only accomplished nothing in 11 years in the Illinois and United States senate, he actually voted ” present” more than 100 times to avoid having to vote for or against anything. During the 2008 presidential primaries either his supporters ignored all this, denied it, or pretended it didn’t matter. Which is why Hillary Clinton supporters referred to Obama supporters as ” drinking the Kool-Aid.”

    So is anyone still drinking? Is it still Happy Hour in the Democratic Party or over at MoveOn? Are they going to keep passing the pretzels and collection plates or are they going to wake up and realize that what’s needed is a credible challenger to Obama for the Democratic nomination and a new Democratic president?

    In one speech after another, whether it was his gaffe about wanting an “intercontinental railroad” when he meant transcontinental, or his sudden affected parade of “y’all’s” when giving a speech to a black audience, this is a man so used to simply blathering nonsense and saying things he has no intention of standing by and getting away with it, that he simply lets his mouth run knowing that the current collection of liberals and progressives both in and out of the press might look at each other with a “did he say that”? look but will say nothing.

    These are people who got so caught up in romanticizing the idea of electing a president who had some black ancestry that to them whether or not he was actually qualified for the job in any way or had the character to be president was actually besides the point.

    Time is running out for the Democrats. They can’t just hope Republicans self destruct because even if they do, another four years of Barrack Obama will be four more years of doing nothing, selling out, talking nonsense, accomplishing nothing worthwhile and in the end could set the Democratic party back for the next 20 years


  76. they were aware that Obama and the Dems were trying to claim the protest as theirs…but it wasn’t true.

    By the time I left, he was starting to see the light, the piece of the puzzle he couldn’t make on his own…hopefully he will enlighten others he meets and not give Obama any more free passes.


    According to OWS forum, most of them are negative to Obama. Good thing they’re getting together and spreading that word. I hope you showed the kid that not all Hillary people want to insult OWS.

  77. NYT: “There is almost no voting fraud in America.”

    So I guess they are saying that Obama “won” the nomination, “fair and square”.


    Read the article. It’s about fraud at official state-run polling places, not caucuses and RBC meetings.

    Do you think there was voter fraud by individual voters in conventional state-run primary polling sites? Hillary WON those. (The Indiana late reporting and ‘found’ votes was not a case of individuals voting without ID; that was at the vote-counting level.)

  78. tdo

    Like I said before, I am not against protesting…and I prefer to tell them the truth about Barry and his thugs than to throw pies at them.

    I felt the same way when I went to a Tea Party protest, totally decked out in Hillary gear and made it clear that I was an under the bus Dem that wanted this spending crook out of office.

  79. It’s the victims fault!


    For choosing a liberal arts major … for needing a student loan at current rates … for needing a house during a bubble … for getting laid off….

  80. The genuine mark of the devil IS 999. Another reason, I don’t want Cain as the nominee


    Are you serious? You think Cain is a Satanist or something?

  81. HillaryforTexas
    October 12th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
    This part of the new Issa subpoenas caught my eye:

    My guess is that Issa is warning Holder that they already have the tape and make them worry about what else they already have. How did the Republicans get a tape of an agent in a store? The store owner or more specifically their lawyer handed it over to the committee. The store owner does not want to be blackmailed with prosecution so they ratted out first.

  82. Like I said before, I am not against protesting…and I prefer to tell them the truth about Barry and his thugs than to throw pies at them.


    Good for you. 😉

    Most of them seem to have the right idea already: can’t trust Obama.

  83. Very sad time at gateway; beloved Lady Liberty who frequently blogged there, has died. Her picture and obituary are posted. Jim attended her service today in New Mexico.

  84. I watched the debate last night and as much as it pains me too say Newt always seems to be the best of them, smart man just don’t trust him. I wish they would have put up someone I can get behind. Perry is fine for Texas but not for America. I live in Texas and cant get behind him.

  85. lisaque
    October 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    I watched the debate last night and as much as it pains me too say Newt always seems to be the best of them, smart man just don’t trust him. I wish they would have put up someone I can get behind. Perry is fine for Texas but not for America. I live in Texas and cant get behind him.

    Here’s the thing with me, personally, with Gingrich. I have these memories of his smug, smarmy face back in the early & mid-nineties. He just struck me as an offensive power jockey that had no sense of bounds, that is, he overreached, and I can’t see anything but that image in my mind. If he were somehow elected, I can’t help thinking he’d overreach again.

    Reminds me of Ray-Gun in that manner, but less “likeable” (didn’t think Ray-Gun was any more “likeable” than the current occupant).

  86. blow

    Here’s the thing with me, personally, with Gingrich. I have these memories of his smug, smarmy face back in the early & mid-nineties. He just struck me as an offensive power jockey that had no sense of bounds, that is, he overreached, and I can’t see anything but that image in my mind. If he were somehow elected, I can’t help thinking he’d overreach again.

    Reminds me of Ray-Gun in that manner, but less “likeable” (didn’t think Ray-Gun was any more “likeable” than the current occupant).
    Yup, I feel the same way about Gingrich.

    He seems intelligent because many of the others….aren’t. (Perry, Wilber and others)

    Ron Paul is very intelligent, but the mainline Rethugs don’t want him because he is no party sheep.

    Cain is a good practical businessman, but no Rethug party line sheep.

    The rest are all party animals that the GOP can control.

  87. “Former Indiana Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan is just one of dozens of people who say they didn’t sign petitions for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton to appear on the state’s 2008 primary ballot and yet their names were approved by the county registration office.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/indiana-gop-calls-for-federal-probe-into-dubious-2008-obama-petition/#ixzz1ab2QeMak

    Okay, tinfoil hat on, but that WH insider guy said earlier this week that there was a movement to take Obama down from inside the Dem party, and that you would start seeing definite and unmistakable signs of it very soon.

  88. So National Review, a decidedly LIBERAL publication, is seeing some of the same stuff in these protests that I am seeing:

    One of the core differences between liberals and radicals is that liberals are capitalists. They believe in a capitalism that is democratically regulated—that seeks to level an unfair economic playing field so that all citizens have the freedom to make what they want of their lives. But these are not the principles we are hearing from the protesters. Instead, we are hearing calls for the upending of capitalism entirely. American capitalism may be flawed, but it is not, as Slavoj Zizek implied in a speech to the protesters, the equivalent of Chinese suppression
    This is not a statement of liberal values; moreover, it is a statement that should be deeply offensive to liberals, who do not in any way seek the end of capitalism.

    Zizek is not alone. His statement is typical of the anti-capitalist, almost utopian arguments that one hears coming from these protesters.

    Gee, ya think?

    And it is just not the protesters’ apparent allergy to capitalism and suspicion of normal democratic politics that should raise concerns. It is also their temperament. The protests have made a big deal of the fact that they arrive at their decisions through a deliberative process. But all their talk of “general assemblies” and “communiqués” and “consensus” has an air of group-think about it that is, or should be, troubling to liberals.

    In the face of the current challenge from Tea Party conservatism, it is more important than ever that liberals make a compelling case for our vision of America. But we will not make this case stronger by allying with a movement that is out of sync with our values. And so, on the question of how liberals should feel about Occupy Wall Street, count us as deeply skeptical.


  89. HillaryforTexas
    October 12th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    “Former Indiana Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan is just one of dozens of people who say they didn’t sign petitions for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton to appear on the state’s 2008 primary ballot and yet their names were approved by the county registration office.”——-

    HillaryforTexas I just signed on to post that same article. And it got me thinkin’. Remember election night in Indiana? How strange the ballots were coming back in the primary? We all KNEW then something was wrong in the precincts, especially in the Gary, Indiana precinct near Chicago over the state line. Even the TV commentator knew it and made odd remarks. The map guy from CNN, can’t think of his name. And they had people on the phone about it? That is an extension of the fraud that began with what this article was talking about. And it was all the fucking Democrats doing it. Hillary barely won Indiana but still Obama got a big delegate push forward.

    Undo him . Fuckers.

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