Waiting On Chris Christie, Reading Bill Clinton

Update: The wait will soon be over. Will Chris Christie do more than sneeze? National Review says its sources say it is over before it started.

We continue to wait until 1:00 p.m. ET today when “celebrated non-candidate” Chris Christie makes his announcement and either changes the world of presidential politics or makes his supporters big fat losers.

While waiting, read HoldThemAccountable’s morning pick – Byron York on Bill Clinton:

“While the political world obsesses over Chris Christie, Rick Perry and the rest of the Republican presidential field, something is up with Bill Clinton. On Nov. 8, the former president will publish a new book entitled “Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy.” Judging by pre-release publicity, the book resembles nothing so much as a campaign tract for a third Clinton term. Of course Clinton is barred by the Constitution from being elected president again, but “Back to Work” still seems the product of an author who’s gearing up for something. [snip]

Or maybe a man whose wife is running against Barack Obama.”

Bill, you’re a smart rascal.

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Do you wonder why at this late date so many Republicans pine for Chris Christie? This past week the New York Times posted the latest delusions for how Barack Obama can win reelection.

The plan is to win states like Virginia and North Carolina because they are almost sure to lose Ohio. But as HotAir observed Obama’s “new route to rel-election” is a loser. William Galston gives the reasons why the recycled strategy is a loser:

“The last Democrat to win the White House without carrying Ohio was John F. Kennedy, who pulled off the feat with 73 electoral votes from south of the Mason-Dixon line and another 26 from the border states of West Virginia, Missouri, and Arkansas. Obama’s likely haul from that territory: zero. And as Seib points out, the president is facing an uphill climb in much of the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic region—including Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, all of which went his way by larger margins than did Ohio. (For more evidence, see the latest Pennsylvania survey, which finds that 54 percent of registered voters disapprove of Obama’s performance and 51 percent don’t think he deserves reelection, while it has him running even with Romney in a state he carried by 10.3 points in 2008.) In short, the president won’t have the luxury of building his campaign on a solid-blue foundation of 242 electoral votes in 2012.

So what does this all mean? Barring unlikely circumstances, the core challenge facing the Obama campaign is not to execute a thread-the-needle Electoral College strategy. It is rather to spend the next thirteen and a half months giving the people credible reasons to believe that the economy will fare better in a second Obama term than it did in the first.”

With so many “must win” states slipping from his soft grasp, imagine what happens if Chris Christie yanks New Jersey from that list of “sure wins” for Obama into the Republican camp. A recent Rasmussen poll already has Christie at 43% to Obama’s 44% among likely voters nationally. If Christie does get into the presidential race he will be vetted the way Barack Obama has never been vetted. Many Republicans will not be happy with Chris Christie and he will be labeled a “liberal”.

But imagine Christ Christie yanking New Jersey away from Obama. A Christie/Rubio ticket would likely draw strong support from the many New Jersey Latinos which include a big presence of Cubans.

Barack Obama is in grave trouble even in his home state of Illinois. Obama Dimocrats will mainline Hopium and pretend their tarnished calf is not in trouble. Americans know better:

“A majority of Americans expect Barack Obama to be a one-term president, an assessment on which, in past elections, the public has more often been right than wrong.

Just 37 percent of people in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll say they expect Obama to win re-election in November 2012; 55 percent instead expect the eventual Republican nominee to win.

It’s a challenging finding for the president because expectations can fuel voter enthusiasm — precisely the ingredient that led the GOP to its broad success in the 2010 midterms, when charged-up conservatives turned out while dispirited Democrats stayed home.”

Some Republicans and many conservatives will find Christie not conservative enough. But the lure of New Jersey and a potentially competitive New York have to make mouths water at the RNC. If Chris Christie does jump into the presidential pool, expect a huge splash.

Republicans should consider the history of Bill Clinton when making their choice for president. Sean Wilentz remembers Bill Clinton twenty years later:

“October 3rd marks the twentieth anniversary of Bill Clinton’s announcement of his candidacy for the presidency. The distance of time permits some perspective on what Clinton was attempting to do when he set out on his quest.

Since the end of World War II, every Democrat who has sought the presidency has attempted to update the legacy of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal. In announcing his candidacy Clinton called his reformed liberalism “a new covenant.” By this he meant a revitalized connection between government and the citizenry that rejected the Reagan Republican idea of laissez-faire, but that also reemphasized what Clinton called “the solid, middle-class virtues of hard work, individual responsibility, family, community, and faith.” The phrase “new covenant” did not stick, but the idea behind it would become the guiding light of the Clinton administration for the ensuing eight years. During that time, it offered Democrats and the nation at large a reopened path to the future that had been blocked since the distempers of the late 1960s and, in particular, since the tragedies of 1968.”

We’ve written before about how Hillary Clinton could have healed the breach between the White Working Class and the Democratic Party before. Wilentz expounds on how Bill Clinton began to heal that breach:

“Lyndon Johnson’s embrace of the civil rights movement in 1964, followed by the presidential candidacy of George Wallace four years later, had insured the movement of the great bulk of the white South into the Republican Party. And, in 1968, the Democratic Party’s crack-up over Vietnam and racial disorder opened what became a deep division between relatively affluent and highly-educated northern “new politics” liberals and the party’s traditional blue-collar and white rural liberal base. That division fed the growing impression that liberalism was an elitist conceit dedicated to draining the middle-class in favor of the poor—Reagan’s “welfare queen.”

Despite the Republicans’ crisis over Watergate and the brief liberal resurgence in 1974, the Democrats’ divisions remained. The party increasingly became identified with its “progressive” wing, devoted to expanding the rights of racial and sexual minorities as well as women, reflexively opposed to American military operations abroad, and skeptical about if not hostile to conventional cultural taboos. Traditional Democrats—more interested in lunch-pail economic issues than in identity politics—remained essential to the party’s success but felt increasingly distant from it.

Bill Clinton did for the Democratic Party what Republicans need to consider if they want a governing majority that lasts much longer than just a few elections. That’s what Bill Clinton aimed for, but Barack Obama has utterly destroyed:

“In his announcement speech, Clinton offered a fresh political synthesis of liberal themes. He forthrightly endorsed the legacy of the civil rights movement and of the feminist victories of the 1970s, including, on the abortion issue, a woman’s individual right to choose. With a Southerner’s experience, he emphasized how divisions over race, still being inflamed by Republicans in the late 1980s and early 1990s, operated to reinforce privilege. That perception led directly to Clinton’s insistence that the interests of the ordinary middle-class ought no longer to be pitted against aspiring minorities. This false opposition, he said, had for too long been a key to conservative political domination. What he did not say—and did not need to—was that some elements of his own party still beheld Middle America with suspicion, if not contempt, as the caricatured “Reagan Democrats” embittered at the cultural impact of the 1960s and taking refuge in backward provincialism.

Clinton aimed to win back alienated traditional Democrats not by shifting to the right, as some pundits have claimed, but by retrieving basic political principles enunciated by FDR and those successful liberal Democrats who followed him. Nothing cost Clinton more political capital inside the left wing of his party than his advocacy of welfare reform. “We should expect people to move from welfare rolls to work rolls,” he proclaimed in his announcement speech. “We should give them the skills they need to succeed and then insist that they move into the workforce to become productive members of society.” These were fighting words to some liberal Democrats. Yet in 1936, in a rip-roaring attack on Republican callousness, FDR had defended those forced on the relief rolls while adding, “Of course we will provide useful work for the needy unemployed; we prefer useful work to the pauperism of a dole.” As a matter of policy, Clinton aimed to return liberalism to its basic ideas, not to forsake its ideals. And in doing so, he would help accomplish the crucial political task of removing from national politics one of the issues that had helped Republicans inflame the middle class against the poor, especially the minority poor, as well as against the Democratic Party.”

Bill Clinton delivered more than pizza, more than flowery words. Bill Clinton delivered action and JOBS:

“In order to overcome the Reagan ascendency Democrats needed to advance the rights secured during the 1960s while returning to more traditional political bedrock. To a remarkable extent, Clinton delivered on that promise. In doing so, he made the nation comfortable once again with the idea that the well-being and future prospects of most Americans require strong and effective leadership by the federal government. It was a matter of common sense, Governor Clinton said in 1991: “Government’s responsibility is to create more opportunity for everybody, and our responsibility is to make the most of it.” These are Democratic ideas, and liberal ones. Bill Clinton reaffirmed, updated, and carried them forward into the twenty-first century.”

While we wait for Chris Christie to decide, Chris Christie and Republicans should be reading Bill Clinton.

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204 thoughts on “Waiting On Chris Christie, Reading Bill Clinton

  1. I guess 5 million people are going to be incapable of functioning in modern society at all, because they are utterly and totally incapable of going to get a free ID.

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    Depends on what kind of ID is required for voting under these various proposals. If they accept the sort of ID’s that most people already have, fine. If they require some special picture ID that is hard to get (you know, requiring a certified birth certificate, original SS, “going” somewhere to get it) — and if it’s ONLY good for voting, no other reason to get it — then a lot of people WILL in fact be eliminated. The same people who were effectively eliminated from attending caucuses.

  2. Okay, I’m kind of proud of my fellow Texans at the moment. Wanna know why? Because Texas Democrats, including some who regularly HARSHLY criticize Perry, and one who does oppo research and is writing a (likely pretty nasty) book on him, say the racist crap is bullshit. And they are publicly defending him:

    Even some of Perry’s fiercest Texas critics say they do not believe he is racist. They point to his record of appointments as evidence: He appointed the state’s first African-American state supreme court justice, Wallace Jefferson, and later made him chief justice. (Jefferson’s great grandfather was a slave, “sold like a horse,” Perry once said with disgust.) Perry’s former general counsel and former chief of staff, Brian Newby, is black; so is Albert Hawkins, the former Health and Human Services Commissioner who Perry handpicked to lead the massive agency in 2002.

    “He doesn’t have a racist bone in his body,” said former Democratic state Rep. Ron Wilson, who is black and served with Perry in his early years in the Legislature. “He didn’t then, and he doesn’t now.”

    Added Dallas Democratic Sen. Royce West, who is also black: “I don’t agree with him on policy issues, but you can point to many things he has done that were sensitive to ethnic minorities.”…

    “He appointed a black man chief justice of the state Supreme Court, for crying out loud, one of the many high-profile positions he’s given to minorities during his time as governor,” Jason Stanford, a Democratic opposition researcher and author of an upcoming book on Perry, wrote in a weekend blog post. “… If he were an n-bomb dropping cracker, we’d all know.”

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perrys-critics-say-hes-no-racist/

  3. On Greta, an interviw with Trump, he said behind the scenes he is hearing several liberals are considering running in 2012, running as either Independents or against Barry. Greta kept pressing him to tell who these people are, he said he couldn’t tell her, but he said these people are most angry that Obama hasn’t ended the wars.

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    Now to read admins post…

  4. Great post admin, Bill Clinton not only stood up for what I believe in, but he walked the walk.

    I am so grateful we have had Bill and Hillary fighting for us.

    Hillary should be our President and we would be so much better off right now…

    Today it’s like being stuck in a time warp, waiting for Nixon to release his Oval Office video tapes…

  5. LMAO! Okay, you guys know the list of demands that Occupy WallStreet posted online, and they are all tweeting all over the place?

    Well, the author of that piece, who posted it, Lloyd J Hart, hails from……. wait for it…..no, not the hood…… wait for it….no, not a modest NY neighborhood …….. wait for it …….. it’s really bad, no wonder he’s so pissed off with the paucity of his prospects …….. wait for it ……

    Martha’s Vineyard. Oh, the downtrodden humanity!

  6. Some Tea Party people and some OWS people who get it. Worth reading the whole thing (before it fills up with trolls).

    http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/kyjo2/an_open_letter_and_warning_from_a_former_tea/
    [….]As much as I’m a Moveon.org supporter, it makes me nervous and may push away our conservative/tea party friends who also help make up the 99%.
    [….]
    Re-regulating the media would be an excellent step in the right direction. A next excellent step would be to re-instate Glass-Stegall and stop allowing mortgage banks and investment banks to speculate our economy into the toilet.

    [ Also apparently being leaderless is a feature, not a bug. ]
    I’ve been thinking that the fact there is NO leader is actually a protection against co-optation. When groups have a leader, the forces who wish to divide or co-opt the movement start to work on the leader or leaders & try to entice them sell-out with money/power/job/fame/other inducements.
    [….]
    also, the second a leader were to emerge or get elected, their family and friend’s lives would be subjected to character assassination, and eventually, they would find something to prance across the news and discredit the entire thing. How about everyone takes turns? Really short turns.

  7. Martha’s Vineyard. Oh, the downtrodden humanity!

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    So everything he says is wrong, huh? Even if Hillary (and us, and Sarah) have been saying the same things.

    Look, ‘the 99%’ is by definition NOT just the downtrodden 40%. The point is that EVERYONE under the 1% (or the top whatever) is being screwed by the 1%.

    Even people who have cell phones.

    OWS never claimed to be all from the lowest rungs. Their point is that middle class people, like their parents, are also getting bled and knocked down. Through what Hillary called “the Bush trapdoor.”

    Why do you think that anybody who protests has to be from a poor background?

    Why not look at their real positions and criticize their real faults, if any? This snarking and name-calling is on a level with the Bots who make fun of Sarah’s accent or smear Perry.

  8. TDO – not important, but just fyi – I deal with homeless people all the time, and they all have cell phones! Cell phones – or any phone at all – isn’t an indicator of wealth anymore!

    (some of them have nicer phones than I do! – of course, my phone still works and that’s what’s important to me, I’m not one who rushes out to always have the newest of anything….)

  9. TDO – not important, but just fyi – I deal with homeless people all the time, and they all have cell phones! Cell phones – or any phone at all – isn’t an indicator of wealth anymore!

    (some of them have nicer phones than I do! – of course, my phone still works and that’s what’s important to me, I’m not one who rushes out to always have the newest of anything….)

  10. Now now, Harry. Watch your language.

    Now, however, we are beginning to see the truth behind the fiction. Not only is the president’s job bill not “the kind of proposal that’s been supported by both Democrats and Republicans,” it’s not even the kind of proposal that Democrats can currently support.

    On Monday, senators passed a bill to keep the government open into the next fiscal year and then headed out on vacation for the rest of the week. Majority Leader Harry Reid said when they return they’ll get back to work — not on the jobs bill, but on a measure to punish China over its currency valuation. Mr. Reid said that bill is a bigger priority right now.

    There’s a story making the rounds in Washington that explains Mr. Reid’s dyspeptic countenance. On a secret meeting at the White House after the debt-ceiling deal collapsed (mainly because Mr. Obama doubled the amount of taxes he wanted), the president sat with the top Republican and Democrat from both the House and Senate. They offered a deal, one that all four agreed on and that all four vowed could get through the two chambers.

    Mr. Obama nixed it. In one version of the story, a peeved Mr. Reid said, “I’m not going to do anything for that [expletive] again.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/2/curl-the-jobs-plan-that-couldnt/

  11. Man walks into a bank and up to a teller. “Hi, my name is Barack Obama and I’d like to cash a check.”
    “That’s fine sir, but I’ll need to see some ID.”
    “I’m Barack Obama. I’m the President of the United States. Can’t you just …”
    “I’m sorry sir, but that’s the rule. Either an ID or you must prove who you are.”
    “How would I do that?”
    “Well, Tiger Woods came in last week with no ID but he had his putter and made a 30-foot putt in the lobby.

    Same thing with Kobe Byrant. But Mr. Bryant dunked and shot jumpers on the hoop in the parking lot and I was convinced of his identity. Surely there’s something you can do Sir to convince me that you are Barack Obama.”
    “Honestly, I can’t think of anything. I don’t have a clue.”

    “Would you prefer small or large bills, Mr. President?”

  12. admin: While we wait for Chris Christie to decide, Chris Christie and Republicans should be reading Bill Clinton.
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    What a great synopsis of what I was too naive and otherwise occupied to realize at the time(s). I’ll need a few more readings as I have all kinds of trouble with the printed word.
    I wonder what you all will thing of this and I’ll be gone all day, so probably won’t find out until tomorrow. Here it is. One Republican is paying Bill great amounts of attention:

    York: Clinton polishes image at Obama’s expense
    While the political world obsesses over Chris Christie, Rick Perry and the rest of the Republican presidential field, something is up with Bill Clinton. On Nov. 8, the former president will publish a new book entitled “Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy.” Judging by pre-release publicity, the book resembles nothing so much as a campaign tract for a third Clinton term. Of course Clinton is barred by the Constitution from being elected president again, but “Back to Work” still seems the product of an author who’s gearing up for something. The book’s publicity materials say Clinton will offer “specific recommendations” and will propose “how we can get out of the current economic crisis and lay a foundation for long-term prosperity.” The former president will argue that political warfare in Washington “has produced bad policies, giving us a weak economy with few jobs, growing income inequality and poverty, and a decline in our competitive position.” All that would sound perfectly reasonable from a candidate running against Barack Obama. Or maybe a man whose wife is running against Barack Obama. But Democratic insiders are adamant that there is nothing going on there, that Clinton’s new book does not foreshadow any challenge to the president.

    snip Clinton irritated some in the White House when he appeared on the cover of Newsweek in June with the article “14 Ways to Save America’s Jobs.” But he got a lot of good feedback from people outside the White House circle, and the new book is an outgrowth of the Newsweek piece. And it will not be a good thing for Obama. No matter how much White House insiders and Democrats around Washington deny the existence of any problem, the fact remains that “Back to Work” will make Clinton look like the successful job creator offering advice to a struggling successor who just hasn’t figured out how to make things work. The new book is just part of the latest Clinton image-polishing campaign. On Friday, Clinton traveled to his presidential library in Arkansas to mark the 20th anniversary of his announcement that he was running for president. (The actual day was Oct. 3, 1991.) Several ex-aides and associates gathered to pay tribute to Clinton, saying he had saved the Democratic Party from itself. Clinton himself took to the microphone to praise his record and express irritation at not being given enough credit — in his opinion, at least — for welfare reform and turning a federal budget deficit into a surplus. Look for more of that in the future. If Clinton staged a big event to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the day he declared his candidacy for president, what will he do to mark the 20th anniversary of the day he was elected? And if that 20th anniversary — it will be Nov. 3, 2012 — coincides with another Democratic president faltering after a troubled first term, well, that will just make Clinton look all the better.

    “He wants to be president of the world, and he has a platform and credibility and a stage and an audience,” says the second Democratic insider. Obama, on the other hand, is trying to achieve the relatively more modest goal of being re-elected president of the United States. Having Clinton around to remind everyone of his successes — and create a glaring contrast to Obama’s failures — surely won’t help.
    Byron York, The Examiner’s chief political correspondent,
    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/york-clinton-polishes-image-obamas-expense

  13. circling the drain again.

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 19% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -24

  14. Chris Christie has scheduled a 1 pm press conference – at the state capitol in Trenton

    I guess we find out either way today.

  15. Seriously Obama wants thrown out it seems.

    APNewsBreak: Obama seeks debt collector proposal

    WASHINGTON (AP) — To the dismay of consumer groups and the discomfort of Democrats, President Barack Obama wants Congress to make it easier for private debt collectors to call the cellphones of consumers delinquent on student loans and other billions owed the federal government.

    The change “is expected to provide substantial increases in collections, particularly as an increasing share of households no longer have landlines and rely instead on cellphones,” the administration wrote recently. The little-noticed recommendation would apply only to cases in which money is owed the government, and is tucked into the mammoth $3 trillion deficit-reduction plan the president submitted to Congress.

    Despite the claim, the administration has not yet developed an estimate of how much the government would collect, and critics reject the logic behind the recommendation.

    “Enabling robo-calls (to cellphones) is just going to lead to more harassment and abuse, and it’s not going to help the government collect more money,” said Lauren Saunders of the Boston-based National Consumer Law Center. “People aren’t paying their student loans because they can’t find a job.”

    Whatever the impact on the budget deficit, the proposal has aligned the White House with the private debt collection industry – frequently the subject of consumer complaints – at a time when the economy is weak, unemployment is high and Obama is embarking on his campaign for re-election.

    Democrats in Congress who frequently support the president, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California, declined through aides to say whether they favor or oppose the plan.

    Nor was there any reaction from two other members of the party’s leadership in the Senate, Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois and Chuck Schumer of New York. Both men frequently take the side of consumers in legislative struggles.

    Several aides, speaking on condition of anonymity so they could talk freely, said Democrats do not want to oppose the president but are unable to support the request.

    Mark Schiffman, a spokesman for ACA International, an industry trade association, said the administration “basically has come to the same solution we have” at a time when an increasing number of Americans have no landline phone to receive calls.

    The change “is something we have been advocating for,” he said, although he added his organization did not have direct discussions with administration officials in advance.

    Schiffman noted that debt collectors have long been allowed to make robo-calls to landline phones. He said automatic dialing is a more efficient way to contact consumers who are overdue in their payments, and the industry wants it allowed in all cases, not solely those involving debts owed to the government, as Obama has proposed. Legislation along those lines was introduced in the House last week.

    Federal law currently permits private debt collectors to use automatic dialing in trying to contact consumers on their landline phones. They also are permitted to make individually-dialed calls to some cellphones.

    The request comes at a time when the government is looking for ways to collect tens of billions of dollars.

    According to a report by the Treasury Department’s Financial Management Service, the Education and the Health and Human Services departments as well as FMS itself referred debts totaling $35.9 billion to private debt collectors in the 2010 fiscal year.

    The Education Department accounted for the largest share by far – $28.8 billion referred to 22 private debt collection companies. The firms collected $685 million outright, and another $1.7 billion was recast into agreements that are designed to be paid monthly, according to the report.

    Education Department officials did not respond to several requests to speak on the record about the proposal.

    According to written responses the department provided to questions, it hires private collection agencies in part so the government can gain “the benefits of greater collections” through the use of new technology that is developed by private industry.

    Collection agencies can receive a fee of as much as 17.5 percent of the amount they recover.

    A different federal agency, the Federal Trade Commission, collects extensive records about the private debt collection industry in general.

    “The FTC receives more complaints about the debt collection industry than any other specific industry,” according to an annual report to Congress, more than 100,000 in 2010.
    The complaints fall into several categories, citing alleged harassment, demands for impermissibly large payments, failure to provide required consumer notice and threatening dire consequences such as jail time.

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    Seriously Obama, in a recession, you want to make it easier for debt collectors, loan sharks and whoever else to harass and threaten people. Who is this man?

  16. • HillaryforTexas
    October 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    LMAO! Okay, you guys know the list of demands that Occupy WallStreet posted online, and they are all tweeting all over the place?
    Well, the author of that piece, who posted it, Lloyd J Hart, hails from……. wait for it…..no, not the hood…… wait for it….no, not a modest NY neighborhood …….. wait for it …….. it’s really bad, no wonder he’s so pissed off with the paucity of his prospects …….. wait for it ……
    Martha’s Vineyard. Oh, the downtrodden humanity!
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    Not everyone who lives on Martha’s Vineyard is wealthy. The wealthy are here in the summer, some of them all summer, some for a few months, some for a month or a few weeks of the year. The ten thousand or so of year-round residents work hard for their living – especially in the summer. Without the tourists and those wealthy people spending money here, most of the island’s long-time residents would have no way to surive.
    Lloyd Hart is not wealthy. He is a year-round resident, and he’s well-known to us as a pest — a rabid crusader looking for a cause. People groan when they see him coming. He preaches to any he can corner in the post office, the supermarket; walks into a place of business and distracts people from their work or purposes with long-winded tirades. Hard to shake him off. His head seems to be in a constant spin over data he reads from questionable sources (like seeks like) and he “knows” what should be done about EVERYTHING; it makes him feel important, he seems to need, to crave, that kind of attention.

  17. NY AG Schneiderman Becoming a Folk Hero for Standing Up to Obama Administration and Banks

    As the banks and the Obama Administration try to stampede the States’ Attorneys General into granting blanket immunity for the legion of crimes committed in the mortgage market—crimes which are continuing!—the resistance to this un-Constitutional scheme by New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is turning him into a folk hero of sorts. According to a piece in the New York Times:

    “Ever since, the four-member Correspondence Unit in Mr. Schneiderman’s office, in a building wedged between the New York Stock Exchange and the New York Federal Reserve Bank, has been dealing with a flood of mail. It is, by all accounts, a spontaneous and grass-roots eruption of thank-you notes.

    “From Brooklyn, there was this: ‘Thank you for upholding the law.’

    “From Manhattan, this: ‘I promise to volunteer for your campaign.’

    “From Baldwinsville, N.Y.: ‘The people are behind you!’

    “And an echo, from Ware, Mass.: ‘You have the people’s support.’

    “Arriving by the day, sometimes by the hour, there have been e-mails and letters from places like Charlottesville, Va.; Athens, Ohio; Placerville, Calif.; and East Berlin, Conn.

    “Someone from Long Island wrote to say (in capital letters): ‘THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!’ There was a hat-tip from Los Angeles: ‘Good luck, sir. You are a beacon of responsibility in a dark and murky landscape.’

    “Along with the correspondence, there has also been a small tsunami of campaign donations, many in the form of modest checks ($5, $10) from ordinary people in unlikely locations: Clarkston, Ga.; Okemos, Mich.; Anderson, S.C.; Eufala, Ala. During two weeks in August and September, Mr. Schneiderman received $4,179 in contributions. That may not sound impressive until one learns that they came from 36 people in 34 cities in 19 states.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/nyregion/for-eric-schneiderman-new-york-attorney-general-some-notice.html?_r=1

  18. I have a feeling Christie may actually run, Fox says he is, journos say he’s not and why would you scramble a press conference in front of the statehouse otherwise.

  19. The OWS forum has a lot of lists of proposed demands. Here’s another:

    http://occupywallst.org/forum/focus-the-demands-on-ending-corporate-manipulation/
    it seems fitting that the demands of such a protest be focused on changing the relationship of the 1% with the government so that they can no longer do what they’ve been doing. These recommendations are not directly targeting the myriad problems on the surface, which would take far too long, but instead are focusing on the root of the problems:

    1) Put an end to corporate personhood and with it, any possibility for corporations to contribute to political campaigns

    2) Create new legislation for both the SEC and the Fed that prevents the creation of artificial market bubbles that the super-rich can ride to inordinate profits at the expense of the rest of the nation.
    3) Enact strict policies prohibiting public-private collusion in all government institutions susceptible to corporate pressure, such as the FDA, the USDA, the EPA, etc. (Perhaps a quarterly audit of the personal finances of every decision making member of these institutions.)

    4) Prevent the corporate influence of the law by creating better policies for how laws are created, where a) the names and associations of every person who actually wrote the law are publically disclosed, and b) Congressional members go on record before voting to clarify whether or not they have actually read the bill they intend to vote on, and c) unrelated “riders” tacked onto the end of a bill should not be permitted.

    Where have we heard stuff like that before?

  20. “Lloyd Hart is not wealthy. He is a year-round resident, and he’s well-known to us as a pest — a rabid crusader looking for a cause. People groan when they see him coming. He preaches to any he can corner in the post office, the supermarket; walks into a place of business and distracts people from their work or purposes with long-winded tirades. Hard to shake him off. His head seems to be in a constant spin over data he reads from questionable sources (like seeks like) and he “knows” what should be done about EVERYTHING; it makes him feel important, he seems to need, to crave, that kind of attention.”
    _____________________

    Could be he’s found us out and is posting here- that or it’s his twin sister…

  21. holdthemaccountable
    October 4th, 2011 at 5:21 am

    I know, Bill is hilarious running circles around Obama, Obama standing still, smiling fist pumping the air. The Velvet Hammer strikes again.

    “Back to Work!” hee! 🙂

  22. We updated the article with this:

    Update: The wait will soon be over. Will Chris Christie do more than sneeze? National Review says its sources say it is over before it started.

    We continue to wait until 1:00 p.m. ET today when “celebrated non-candidate” Chris Christie makes his announcement and either changes the world of presidential politics or makes his supporters big fat losers.

    While waiting, read HoldThemAccountable’s morning pick – Byron York on Bill Clinton:

    “While the political world obsesses over Chris Christie, Rick Perry and the rest of the Republican presidential field, something is up with Bill Clinton. On Nov. 8, the former president will publish a new book entitled “Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy.” Judging by pre-release publicity, the book resembles nothing so much as a campaign tract for a third Clinton term. Of course Clinton is barred by the Constitution from being elected president again, but “Back to Work” still seems the product of an author who’s gearing up for something. [snip]

    Or maybe a man whose wife is running against Barack Obama.”

    Bill, you’re a smart rascal.

  23. I know that ya’ll will get a kick out of this:

    The Hill article

    Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), who is seeking a second term in 2012, said she would not join Obama for a public appearance in Missouri on Tuesday, citing the Senate’s busy schedule.

  24. moononpluto
    October 4th, 2011 at 11:06 am
    NYT NEWS ALERT: Chris Christie Will Not Seek Presidency, Adviser Confirms

    ————-

    Good.

  25. “Back to Work: Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy.”

    ———–
    hmmm…he’s using Hillary’s terminology, i.e. “Smart” etc…

  26. Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

    Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

    Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

    Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

    Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

    Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

    Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

    Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

    Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

    Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

    Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

    Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

    Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

    Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

    _________________________________________________
    http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

    Only ten appears like a good idea. Thirteen, I don’t understand what the point is. The remainder, with the exception of Universal Health Care (which I oppose), is plain bat shit crazy.

  27. lil ole grape
    October 4th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Sometimes, it’s not easy being green or an em-path. Can’t turn it off! 🙄

  28. Not sure if anyone here is interested, but this is definitely scary stuff…

    4 October 2011

    Putin calls for ‘Eurasian Union’ of ex-Soviet republics

    Mr Putin says a new political union would have a “positive global effect”
    Continue reading the main story Related StoriesBelarus signs Russia customs dealWill customs union hurt Russia’s WTO bid?Russia ‘boosting’ Belarus gas
    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has called for a “Eurasian Union” of former Soviet republics along the lines of the European Union.

    Mr Putin, who recently announced he is running for president, said the bloc would become a major global player.

    He said Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan were already going ahead with economic integration.

    However, he denied proposing to re-create the Soviet Union, saying a new bloc would have different values.

    “There is no talk about rebuilding the USSR in one way or another,” he said in an article in the daily newspaper Izvestia.

    “It would be naive to try to restore or copy something that belongs to the past, but a close integration based on new values and economic and political foundation is a demand of the present time.”

    He said a “Eurasian Union” would “build on the experience of the European Union and other regional coalitions”.

    Mr Putin said the aim was to “create real conditions to change the geopolitical and geoeconomic configuration of the entire continent and have an undoubtedly positive global effect”.

    Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan have already formed an economic alliance that removes customs barriers. Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan have said they are studying the possibility of joining the scheme.

    Russia has long called for stronger co-operation between ex-Soviet nations.

    However, correspondents say earlier attempts at forging closer ties have failed because of sharp economic differences.

    Many ex-Soviet nations have also looked to the West and have remained suspicious of Moscow’s intentions.

    Last month, Mr Putin said he had accepted a proposal to stand for president in March 2012 with the backing of current President Dmitry Medvedev.

    Mr Putin had already served two terms as president before Mr Medvedev took over in 2008. Observers say Mr Putin’s return to the Kremlin is now all but guaranteed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15172519

  29. http://occupywallst.org/forum/where-is-barak-obama/
    Where is Barak Obama ?
    Posted 13 minutes ago by thereverendc

    Where is our fearless leader of the free world? Where is the flag bearer of “Yes We Can”? Where is he who promised “Change and Reform”? Where is his “Occupation of Wall Street”?

    Where is President Barak Obama? (absent and unaccounted for)

    I say to the President “Stand with the American People and support the occupation of Wall Street”.

    7 Comments

    post comment


    [ One possibly sarcastic comment omitted. ]


    karmapolice (Bellevue, NE) 1 points 3 minutes ago
    Wall Street funds his campaigns same as everyone else. He will not help you, even if deep down he wants to. (I’d like to think that’s true)
    reply permalink


    dantes44 (Alexandria, VA) 1 points 7 minutes ago
    He has 4 fundraisers planned for today. 2 in Dallas. 2 in St. Louis.
    If you think he’ll take time out to stand with OWS, think again. Unless you’re shelling out 35k per couple.
    reply permalink


    sudoname (Berkeley, CA) 1 points 8 minutes ago
    I’d actually vote for him if he came out to defend this. Then again, he’d probably have an “accident” if he went against the people that funded him.
    reply permalink


    marsdefIAnCe 1 points 10 minutes ago
    Meeting with his CIA buddies? Twenty minutes that will change your perspective:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvJ3lRElnEo
    reply permalink

    [ Two irrevelant comments omitted. ]

  30. http://occupywallst.org/forum/where-is-barak-obama/
    Where is Barak Obama ?
    Posted 13 minutes ago by thereverendc

    Where is our fearless leader of the free world? Where is the flag bearer of “Yes We Can”? Where is he who promised “Change and Reform”? Where is his “Occupation of Wall Street”?

    Where is President Barak Obama? (absent and unaccounted for)

    I say to the President “Stand with the American People and support the occupation of Wall Street”.

    7 Comments

    post comment


    [ One possibly sarcastic comment omitted. ]


    karmapolice (Bellevue, NE) 1 points 3 minutes ago
    Wall Street funds his campaigns same as everyone else. He will not help you, even if deep down he wants to. (I’d like to think that’s true)
    reply permalink


    dantes44 (Alexandria, VA) 1 points 7 minutes ago
    He has 4 fundraisers planned for today. 2 in Dallas. 2 in St. Louis.
    If you think he’ll take time out to stand with OWS, think again. Unless you’re shelling out 35k per couple.
    reply permalink


    sudoname (Berkeley, CA) 1 points 8 minutes ago
    I’d actually vote for him if he came out to defend this. Then again, he’d probably have an “accident” if he went against the people that funded him.
    reply permalink


    marsdefIAnCe 1 points 10 minutes ago
    Meeting with his CIA buddies? Twenty minutes that will change your perspective:
    youtube.com/watch?v=zvJ3lRElnEo
    reply permalink

    [ Two irrevelant comments omitted. ]

  31. LMAO! I like this idea! From a commenter at HotAir:

    Here’s an idea… Let’s make a new tax that taxes 40% of all campaign money raised by any candidates with no “loop holes”.

    Obama, if you raise 1 billion, then you pay 400 million in taxes!

  32. Popcorn.

    Fox learns House GOP is about to call for special counsel to determine whether Holder perjured himself on Fast & Furious

  33. Re: Christie and his “big speech”, my guess is it’s a publicity stunt for him to announce he’s endorsing Romney. All the teasing and hoopla was just to get everyone watching and listening.

    I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that’s what it is.

  34. Oh, hey, by the way, Goldman Sachs now projects unemployment to rise to 9.4% and to stay there through 2012.

    ………………………………………..

    So more than likely we get President Romney at this stage or the Dems do the decent thing, dump the A-hole and bring our girl in.

  35. EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are going to call for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

    House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is sending a letter to President Obama arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself and will request a probe by a special counsel.

    The question is whether Holder committed perjury during a Judiciary Committee hearing in May. At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious.

    However, a newly discovered memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation “are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”

    In response to the Monday release of that and other documents, the Justice Department said Holder was confused by the question, and that he was answering about when he first learned of the “troubling tactics” of the program, not the name of it.

    But House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., told Fox News on Tuesday morning that Holder saying he didn’t understand the question rather than he didn’t know of the program is not a successful defense to perjury.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/04/house-republicans-to-request-special-counsel-to-probe-holder-on-fast-and/#ixzz1ZpfAxeQ7

  36. Finally, the prosecutions are going to be hard to ignore now no matter how hard the media tries, Holder up on a special prosecutor charge is not going to go away.

  37. The NY Times Dealbook section takes a very sympathetic look at the Occupy Wall Street protests, On Wall Street, a Protest Matures.

    The article leads with a feature on Andrew Cole, who arrived from Madison, Wisconsin (shock!) where he recently lost a job:

    “I think a good deal of the bankers should be in jail.”

    That is what Andrew Cole, an unemployed 24-year-old graduate of Bucknell University, told me Monday morning in Zuccotti Park, the epicenter of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Mr. Cole, an articulate young man dressed in jeans, a sweatshirt and with a blue wool beanie on his head, had just arrived by bus from Madison, Wis., where he recently lost his job.

    There was nothing particularly menacing or dangerous about Mr. Cole. He said he had come to participate in Occupy Wall Street because he believed in its “anticapitalist” message. “I see Wall Street as responsible for the mess we’re in.”

    The New York Times does not tell us where Cole was working prior to being laid off. Must be construction, or perhaps one of those state workers brutalized by the evil Gov. Scott Walker and the Koch Brothers. Or perhaps some heartless business which puts profits over people.

    No, a simple Google search reveals that Cole is a professional progressive operative, having worked — according to his LinkedIn profile – for the past three years for the Progressive Patriots Fund, which he still lists at his employer:

    —-

    Let’s say Cole was really fired by Progressive Patriots Fund, and his LinkedIn profile is not up to date, was the firing for real or just a set up so that Cole could agitate in New York City and make sure to get interviewed by media outlets as the face of the Occupy Wall Street movement?

    Is Wall Street to blame for the fact that a progressive political action group fired Cole? Or if Cole had some interim job since that time, the fact that he now is unemployed?

    ——-

    And if Cole did not immediately find a new job after being fired by Russ Feingold, or lost some other job recently, is it Wall Street’s fault, or that fact that Cole devoted his college experience to studying such job-relevant topics as Struggle, Revolution, and the MST: Reflections on the Meaning of Resistance:

    The following is an ethnographic account of the motivations, attitudes, and ideology of several residents of Lenin Paz II, a Brazilian land-reform settlement in the northeastern state of Ceará. The particular focus of the study is on the reasons these individuals decided to get involved with the social movement (Movimento dos Trabalhadores Rurais Sem Terra) that brought them to the settlement after a 2-3 year process of land occupation. Theoretically, the paper focuses on the development of a collective sense of social or class consciousness amongst the landless who were interviewed, drawing heavily on James Scott’s theory of resistance outlined in Weapons of the Weak: Everyday Forms of Peasant Resistance.

    Andrew Cole is not what he seems, and neither is #OccupyWallStreet.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/10/ny-times-poster-child-for-occupywallstreet-not-what-he-seems/

    Sorry, but I can’t get behind a movement that has lots of shades of Communist Agitprop, and professional agitators lying their asses off about being just another poor unemployed student.

    I am not a fucking revolutionary or communist, and I do not hate capitalism. Statism is abhorrent to me. And if that is what the Left in this country now thinks that being “Liberal” means, and if that is who wants to take over the Democratic Party, then they can kiss my ass – I will fight these bastards to my dying breath.

  38. JanH
    October 4th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Not sure if anyone here is interested, but this is definitely scary stuff…

    ————–

    Jan, way past bedtime here, but briefly, Putin nor Russia not your or my enemy. The bad guys are working overtime to make it seem so. Even to make it so, but it’s not so.

  39. The female CBS reporter, Sharyl Attkisson, who broke the Fast and Furious scandal went on Laura Ingraham’s show, and talked about the WH yelling at her, and trying to shut her down:

    From the transcript:
    1:31 – In between the yelling that I received from Justice Department yesterday, the spokeswoman–who would not put anything in writing, I was asking for her explanation so there would be clarity and no confusion later over what had been said, she wouldn’t put anything in writing–so we talked on the phone and she said things such as the question Holder answered was different than the one he asked. But he phrased it, he said very explicitly, ‘I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.’

    6:05 – Laura: So they were literally screaming at you?

    Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House.”

    7:33 – Laura: Do we know the exact number [of guns] that went over to Mexico?
    Attkisson: We know more than 2,000 in Fast and Furious and I will soon be reporting on the fact that that is not the only case. 2,000 for that operation according to the agents involved.

    8:28 – …Is it sort of a drip, drip. And I’m certainly not the one to make the case for DOJ and White House about what I’m doing wrong. They will tell you that I’m the only reporter–as they told me–that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I’m the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.

    http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/10/cbs-reporter-says-wh-screamed-at-her.html

    The WH is scared shitless of this whole Fast and Furious thing.

  40. “The WH is scared shitless of this whole Fast and Furious thing.”
    *********
    They should be. Now that Holder has been shown to have lied to Congress, the next question will be what did Obama know and when did he know it.

    With the Friday nite doc dump showing frequent communication between the WH and ATF, the Rethugs smell blood. The speculation that Fast and Furious and it’s off-shoots are an “Iran-Contra” type operation, run by the WH National Security Office, is looking more plausible.

  41. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-news-reporter-says-white-house-screamed-swore-her-over-fast-and-furious_595011.html

    CBS News Reporter Says White House Screamed, Swore at Her Over Fast and Furious

    The Fast and Furious scandal, in which the Justice Department knowingly gave Mexican criminal gangs thousands of guns, just keeps escalating. The latest development centers around whether or not Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about having knowledge of the controversial gun trafficking operation. Recently released documents say Holder was briefed about the operation long before he told the Judiciary Committee he was first aware of what was going on. (Holder now claims he misunderstood the question was being asked.)

    What’s more, CBS News investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson — who’s been covering the scandal from the beginning — says in an interview on the Laura Ingraham Show today that the White House and Justice Department have taken to screaming at her for reporting on the story. You can listen to the full interview below, but here are the key excerpts from Attkisson:

    In between the yelling that I received from Justice Department yesterday, the spokeswoman–who would not put anything in writing, I was asking for her explanation so there would be clarity and no confusion later over what had been said, she wouldn’t put anything in writing–so we talked on the phone and she said things such as the question Holder answered was different than the one he asked. But he phrased it, he said very explicitly, ‘I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.’

    Ingraham: So they were literally screaming at you?
    Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House.”

    Finally, Attkisson notes that the White House is claiming that a thorough investigation of the scandal is unwarranted:

    [The White House and Justice Department] will tell you that I’m the only reporter–as they told me–that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I’m the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.

    Here’s the audio from the interview:

    ……………………

    WH loses the plot, they are scared.

  42. Thanks for the Insider link, AmericanGal.

    Can’t resist pasting an excerpt.

    “Told you FnF was the real deal. All that other stuff is fuel to the fire, but FnF is where this administration has been caught. We’re talking murder here. Deadly political manipulation. A criminal enterprise orchestrated at the highest levels of government. Nasty nasty sh-t. Remember months ago when I said we got the f-ckers? They got caught? You’re seeing that work come to fruition right now. Push Holder out. Go time. Mr. President, could you please come in here? I’ve spent my adult life helping to elect presidents. Now I’m working double time to remove one. Irony is a funny thing. If you think I’m sounding confident right now it’s for good reason. You ain’t seen nothing yet. Some Dems are gonna come out against Holder soon. Keep your ears open for that. Coming soon. Another crack in the dam.

    As for what’s going on in the WH. Christ it’s a Greek tragedy/comedy thing they have going on in there. The president is sent on the road with his script. He’s being told things are gonna play out in his favor. “Don’t believe the polls Mr. President.” The man is almost completely isolated and ignorant from reality now. When he goes off script it sends the team into a frenzy of damage control. This is happening day after day. There was a meeting between Congressional leaders and VP. Word is a contingency plan was introduced. That sounds implausible to me, but forwarding this to you to do some follow-up if you want. A contingency plan for 2012 in case the president does not wish to run or cannot run. Also informed a Republican was at that meeting as well. This is staffer rumor mill stuff here, but from a source who has proven right on many times for us before. Could things be getting that bad for the president? Perhaps so. He did consider quitting not so long ago. I now believe that to be fact. I still maintain Jarrett will not allow that to happen though. She would be far too vulnerable herself without the protection of this administration. Jarrett will break the president under the wheel of her own desire for self preservation if she has to.

  43. You know an era has passed when CBS isn’t on your side any more. CBS will be labelled racist very soon.

  44. Hmmmmmmmmmm. What does everyone think of this comment at the Ulsterman site?

    “That referred-to meeting between congressional leaders and the Vice President rang a bell with me. Last week, at the gym, I was thinking about a Biden quote from earlier in the day to the effect that, “Don’t blame Bush for the economy, we are in charge of that now.” I was puzzling that through, because it was something apart from the flippant gaffes we have heard from Biden in the past.

    Then I looked up at one of the many big screen TV sets in the gym and saw (so sound) Biden before the news cameras. He was erect, dignified, had a good razor cut to his hair transplants, had on an expensive suit bought with somebody’s money, and he was not flippant or smarty-pants in that manner he usually projects.

    Then it hit me: Biden is either hopeful for – or is being groomed for – the head of the “main” democrat ticket in the 2012 elections. Something was going on there. He looked pretty serious and tough there behind those dark aviator glasses. I know it is all theatre, but it was a jarring moment.

  45. The insider stuff is reading truer day by day, its looking like a co-ordinated internal takedown. Coupled with Biden leading a plan B, certainly fits with certain rumblings from Biden lately about it being a mess.

    I think there are two camps operating within the WH now, Jarretts lot and the anti-obama crew.

    Obama is being circled ready for removal.

  46. ohanson
    October 4th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    JanH
    October 4th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Not sure if anyone here is interested, but this is definitely scary stuff…

    ————–

    Jan, way past bedtime here, but briefly, Putin nor Russia not your or my enemy. The bad guys are working overtime to make it seem so. Even to make it so, but it’s not so.

    —————-

    Well, I will take a wait and see attitude.

  47. If they think putting Biden in as top of the ticket over Obama in 2012 is a viable plan b, then they are even more dumber than i thought.

  48. moononpluto,

    Agreed about the Insider. He’s been hinting at the Holder takedown for several months. If it pans out, well, his credibility goes way up.

    The Biden thing is weird. Maybe he’s being prepped for a takeover until the 2012 election if/when BO is thrown under the bus?

  49. I can’t get behind a movement that has lots of shades of Communist Agitprop, and professional agitators lying their asses off about being just another poor unemployed student.

    ===================

    I hope there aren’t a lot of people rejecting the PUMA message because of the name-calling and personal attacks that some people in the PUMA group use.

  50. moononpluto

    circling the drain again.

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 19% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -24
    ———–

    Oooo Obama really sucks big time.

    I think -24 is the lowest poll yet???

    LimboBama, how low can you go?

  51. linton’s appeal growing

    October 3, 2011 | by John Langley,

    If someone had told me immediately after Hillary Clinton’s defeat in the 2008 Democratic primary that she would be polled as the most popular national politician in 2011, I would have thought him or her was insane.

    While she may have retained support in New York for her reelection as a senator, any future prospects for the executive branch seemed
    dead.

    I had assumed her skirmish with Barack Obama and his well-oiled campaign had been far too brutal for her to receive any form of appointment from our president. However, reports surfaced of meetings between then-Sen. Clinton and President-elect Obama regarding her nomination for secretary of state.

    Media response varied. There were jubilant comparisons between President Obama and Abraham Lincoln, who also appointed campaign rivals to cabinet positions, while sharp criticisms of hypocrisy were aimed at both the president and future secretary of state.

    Doris Kearns Goodwin’s recent book “Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln” had a sales surge as the author herself compared Obama’s cabinet selections with those of President Lincoln (although I don’t recall any of Lincoln’s nominees having to withdraw their nominations because tax issues or pending investigations).

    All the while, prominent journalists and writers such as Christopher Hitchens (my hero) criticized Clinton’s nomination, claiming it conflicted with the Obama’s promise of change and that he accused his campaign rival of lacking foreign policy experience when they were still opponents.

    However, after Clinton stopped campaigning and accepted the secretary of state position, the critical (and sometimes cruel) attention that was previously focused on her shifted to the new president.

    While the news focused on the president, Clinton was able to get to work. Within her first two years on the job, she made a new record for being the most traveled secretary of state (165 days of travel, beating out Condoleezza Rice by two days). She has also been faced with two prominent challenges: the WikiLeaks incident and the uprising of pro-democracy protests in the Middle East.

    The dimming memory of the WikiLeaks exposure of state documents — along with the fact that Clinton still has her job — is proof of her
    success.

    While she certainly still has many obstacles to overcome as a result of Julian Assange’s website (has he been convicted of rape yet?), the issue has died down regarding media play, subsequently making foreign affairs easier.

    Clinton’s actions regarding the uprisings in the Middle East, especially regarding Libya, has been another defining moment of her tenure as secretary of state. One must admit it seems ironic for the former senator to be asking Congress not to cut funds regarding the military in the Middle East, but progress is progress.

    Whether the secretary’s actions were fundamental to or merely complicit in Libya’s slow but steady ousting of Muammar Gadhafi, it’s another win on her scoreboard.

    While Republicans are now trying to take the anti-war route, Clinton saw a chance to replace a dictatorship with a democracy and was part of the team that made it happen. The U.S. conjunction with the U.N. must have been frustrating, but it didn’t hurt.

    Whether it’s as a result of her relative success during her tenure as secretary of state or the refining of her image (I think both), Clinton is no longer preyed upon by pundits.

    In 2008, Clinton faced a horrible paradox: If she took tough stances and was too aggressive, she was considered too masculine; if she emphasized more feminine political stances such as social welfare and education, she appeared too timid for the job and was accused of behaving (uncharacteristically) like a soccer mom.

    And now, today, a polarizing politician, who has been called shrillish, manly, fake and (most offensive of all) Bill Clinton’s wife, is now polled as the most popular national politician in the U.S. But that’s not all — polls also show a sense of buyer’s remorse among Democrats in choosing Obama over Clinton. How did this happen?

    There seems to be a buffer between the secretary of state and the president (along with his cabinet). This theory is supported by the fact that Rice consistently polled much higher than her boss and the rest of the cabinet.

    Clinton now has a much different role than before. As a career politician, Clinton was aggressive. She attacked Republicans who opposed her healthcare plan, the Bush administration and campaign opponents.

    Now, she doesn’t attack anyone — it’s not her job. Instead, she has crafted a diplomatic personality which emphasizes consensus with her peers, supports the president and his initiatives, and — when necessary — takes tough stances against international figures and ideals that all (sane) Americans oppose.

    Will calls for Clinton to challenge President Obama in a 2012 primary be heeded? Of course not. The secretary of state’s depolarization
    is a result of leaving electoral politics — if she jumped back in, her approval ratings would sink once again.

    Clinton knows this and has said there is a “below zero” chance she would challenge President Obama. But that doesn’t count her out of a 2016 bid for the presidency.

    Republicans should beware because if she continues to perform as she is now, she will be a formidable opponent who will have high approval polls and an even more impressive resume.

    http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/18410/clintons-appeal-growing

  52. Oh the hilarity.

    Senate Republicans tried to make Democrats hold a quick vote on President Obama’s jobs-stimulus bill Tuesday, but were blocked by Senate Majority Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who is sponsoring Mr. Obama’s bill but who said other matters take priority.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/oct/4/senate-democrats-forced-block-obama-jobs-bill/#menu_news
    …………..

    Thats right, the Sen Dems who have the WH said Obama’s pass thiss bill right now stated today, it was not a priority.

  53. blowme0bama
    October 4th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    We already have a racial and gender equality amendment, it’s called the 14th amendment.

    ———
    Actually, we don’t.

    The ERA needs to be passed in 3 more states to give women and men equality.

    The Equal Rights Amendment, first proposed in 1923 to affirm that women and men have equal rights under the law, is still not part of the U.S. Constitution.

    The ERA was passed out of Congress in 1972 and has been ratified by 35 of the necessary 38 states. When three more states vote yes, it is possible that the ERA could become the 28th Amendment. The ERA could also be ratified by restarting the traditional process of passage by a two-thirds majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives, followed by ratification by legislatures in three-quarters (38) of the 50 states.

    In these pages, find out about the simple justice of this amendment … and join the historic effort to achieve equal rights for women and men.

    http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/

  54. wow! The sky is falling!
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    Oct 3, 2011

    Majority Expects Obama to Lose Re-Election

    By Gary Langer
    Oct 3, 2011 2:30pmMajority Expects Obama to Lose Re-Election
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    A majority of Americans expect Barack Obama to be a one-term president, an assessment on which, in past elections, the public more often has been right than wrong.

    Just 37 percent in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll say they expect Obama to win re-election in November 2012; 55 percent instead expect the eventual Republican nominee to win. ABC’s George Stephanopoulos is asking the president about that result in an interview today.

    It’s a challenging finding for the president because expectations can fuel voter enthusiasm – precisely the ingredient that led the GOP to its broad success in the 2010 midterms, when charged-up conservatives turned out while dispirited Democrats stayed home.

    Democrats do expect Obama to win, but they say so only by 58-33 percent – a comparatively tepid vote of confidence within his own party. Republicans, by contrast, smell victory by a vast 83-13 percent. And independents – the linchpin of national politics – by 54-36 percent expect the Republican candidate to beat Obama.

    This poll, produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates, finds that the divisions among ideological groups tell a similar story. Conservatives are far more confident about the Republican nominee than are liberals about Obama, and moderates, albeit narrowly, are more likely to expect the challenger to win.

    There is, though, a difference by education groups – a less-bad outlook for Obama on the off-chance that schooling leads to more precise punditry. Americans who lack a college degree think, by 57-35 points, that the Republican nominee will beat Obama. Those with a college degree think so too, but by a narrower 49-41 percent.

    The public does not always nail such prognostications, and with the election more than a year away – and the Republican contest still highly unsettled – much can change. In a New York Times/CBS News poll in March 1992, 76 percent expected the first President Bush to beat Bill Clinton. But Bush quickly lost support as the flush of success in the first Gulf War faded and economic discontent took hold, and Clinton unseated him.

    Nonetheless, in November 1999, also in a Times/CBS poll, the public by 52-32 percent expected the eventual Republican nominee to beat the Democrat, as he did; in September 2003, the public by 50-35 percent expected Bush 43 to be re-elected, as he was; and in March 2007, 61 percent correctly expected the eventual Democratic nominee to beat the eventual GOP nominee.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/majority-expects-obama-to-lose-re-election/

  55. moononpluto

    Popcorn.

    Fox learns House GOP is about to call for special counsel to determine whether Holder perjured himself on Fast & Furious

    ———–
    Popcorn, indeed.

  56. moon, don’t you mean that the “terrorist obstructionist Democrats who just want to see him fail” just blocked his jobs bill?

  57. yes they did H4T, the republicans tried to bring it up for a vote, Reid said NO.

    but but but “pass this bill right away”…..errr sorry no can do Barack, your party said NO.

  58. Thanks American Girl for the Insider post!

    ———-
    I am really leaning toward believing the Insider is real. Many things ‘he’ has said have come true.

    I hope this comes true too as he talks about the 2012 election…

    You asked me what I think of the GOP field? Not a bad bunch. Some better than others. Romney remains the frontrunner. That organization is top notch. Very impressed with their team. They’ve hired some very competent people. No, I am not one of them. I would consider it though. For now I will be quite content helping the next phase of this. Primary the president in conjunction with the ongoing Congressional investigations.

  59. Blow –
    This is on the website that I posted above on the 14th amendment and the ERA…here is the section on that site that is specific:

    bullet Since the 14th Amendment guarantees all citizens equal protection of the laws, why do we still need the ERA?

    The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868, after the Civil War, to deal with race discrimination. In referring to the electorate, it added the word “male” to the Constitution for the first time. Even with the 14th Amendment in the Constitution, women had to fight a long and hard political battle to have their right to vote guaranteed through the 19th Amendment in 1920.

    It was not until 1971, in Reed v. Reed, that the Supreme Court applied the 14th Amendment for the first time to prohibit sex discrimination, in that case because the circumstances did not meet a rational-basis test. However, in that and subsequent decisions (Craig v. Boren, 1976; United States v. Commonwealth of Virginia, 1996), the Court declined to elevate sex discrimination claims to the strict scrutiny standard of review that the 14th Amendment requires for certain suspect classifications, such as race, religion, and national origin.

    The Court now applies heightened (so-called “skeptical”) scrutiny in cases of sex discrimination and requires extremely persuasive evidence to uphold a government action that differentiates on the basis of sex. However, such claims can still be evaluated under an intermediate standard of review, which requires only that such classifications must substantially advance an important governmental objective (rather than bear a necessary relation to a compelling state interest, as strict scrutiny requires).

    The ERA would require courts to go beyond the current application of the 14th Amendment by adding sex to the list of suspect classifications protected by the highest level of strict judicial review.

    In September 2010, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated his belief that the Constitution does not protect against sex discrimination. This remark has provoked widespread public reaction, citing his position as clear evidence of the need for an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution.

    http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/faq.htm

  60. Is Barry MIA snorting coke in MO’s garden or what?

    [snip]

    Obama left his party’s top senators, who had assembled for a conference call, hanging on the phone for nearly 20 minutes before National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling came on the line with a seemingly vague notion of what the call was supposed to be about, Democratic sources said.

    The White House and Reid’s office did not comment for this article.

    Reid has been Obama’s most important ally in Congress, but the relationship has never been particularly affectionate, even though Reid was one of Obama’s first Senate colleagues to privately urge him to run for president.

    Obama and Reid speak frequently on the phone, but the conversations can be terse. One Democratic source quipped that it’s often a contest to guess who will hang up on the other first. Reid, as it turns out, doesn’t have a habit of saying goodbye when he ends a call.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/185275-white-house-kept-dem-sens-hanging-on-phone-

  61. holdthemaccountable

    I was so looking forward to an Obama/Christie series of debates.
    ——

    Yes, Christie would have been good…Barry would pull an ’08, “…what he said.”

  62. http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/nearly-half-million-send-michelle-africa

    How much does it cost taxpayers to fly First Lady Michelle Obama, her two daughters and her mother, a niece and a nephew, a hairstylist and makeup artists to South Africa and Botswana to give a few speeches, meet Nelson Mandela, and enjoy a safari on a private game preserve?

    Nearly half a million dollars, according to documents obtained by Judicial Watch via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) concerning Obama’s June 21-27 journey.

    Judicial Watch said the U.S. Air Force provided a C-32 – a Boeing 757 modified by the military for the purpose of flying big-wigs around the world – to fly the First Lady and her entourage to and from Africa, at a cost of $424,142. Another $928.44 was listed as the cost of providing 192 meals for the 21 people who made the trip

    The Obama daughters were listed on the manifest as “senior staff.”

    “This trip was as much an opportunity for the Obama family to go on a safari as it was a trip to conduct government business,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “This junket wasted tax dollars and the resources of our overextended military. No wonder we had to sue to pry loose this information.”

    The documents made public by Judicial Watch do not include the total of all costs for the First Lady’s trip, such as expenses for security, transportation on the ground and so forth. For more information, go here.

  63. Shadow,

    Thanks. I had thought laws which discriminated on the basis of gender were subject to strict scruitny under 14th amendment analysis. The 1964 Civil Rights act applies to employment, and enacted under the 14th amendment (includes sex discrimination in employment), but I suppose strict scrutiny 14th Amendment applies only to race / religion / whatever.

    Again, thanks. That’s what I get for shooting from the hip.

  64. the republicans tried to bring it up for a vote, Reid said NO.

    ===============

    Heh. Yes, popcorn.

    But it doesn’t necessarily mean Reid was opposing Obama, unfortunately. If the GOP tried to bring it up, they had in mind some way to embarrass Obama, so Reid may have been protecting him.

    If we can believe anything in the Wash Times.

  65. Er no, Obama wanted a vote on his jobs bill, the repubs in the senate tried to schedule one, Dems said No, now if they had the votes they could have passed it in the senate, they have 53 votes there you know. So what does that tell you. Bambi is the one bleating on about pass my bill now now now. Even his Senators do not want to touch it.

  66. Obama wanted a vote on his jobs bill, the repubs in the senate tried to schedule one

    ================

    Do you think the Repubs in the Senate wanted it to pass? Or were they trying to bring it up at a bad time?

    I don’t know, but do you really think they had good intentions toward Obama or this bill? More likely Reid had good intentions toward Obama but saw the repubs were laying a trap.

    Or Wash Times is distorting the whole thing.

  67. Whats the problem here, cant you understand, Obama keeps saying pass this bill now, so the Senate reps said ok then, lets vote on it, so why have the Senate Dems refused to schedule the bill if its so damn important to pass this bill now. It makes no difference if its the Reps trying to make it look bad. Obama wanted the bill passed immediately and now suddenly the Senate Dems dont want to vote or touch it. Its one or the other, vote or dont.

    Of course its not going to pass the Sen, the Dems dont want to pass it either, its toxic, but Obama keeps trying to blame the reps, so they put the Sen Dems today on record, vote on it. The Dems said No. So there you have it

    Here you have a President blaming Republicans for not passing the jobs bill and his own party wont even schedule a vote on his “important” bill in the part of congress they have control of, they say other stuff is more important, talk about foot in mouth.

  68. That punk in the video mouthing off to his elder should have had his ass kicked when he was much younger and he wouldn’t be so disrespectful.

  69. Warning you now, its graphic but this is where these cheap chinese shitty products is coming from. I’m distressed just reading it, the evil of some people. I will not buy chinese products, i’ve refused for a long time, i check products for production and avoid them like the plague.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045016/Raccoon-dogs-skinned-alive-make-cheap-copies-Ugg-boots.html

    These sickening images show raccoon dogs being skinned alive to make cheap imitation Ugg boots bought by thousands of Britons.

    The original footwear is made from high-quality Australian sheepskin, taken from animals slaughtered humanely, but this footage shows the brutal treatment of creatures in China whose fur is used to make the fake boots.

    The raccoon dogs are shown skinned, but still alive and moving, in the distressing scenes filmed by animal rights campaigners. Thrown on a pile, they can take up to three hours to die.

  70. blowme0bama, I was almost more bothered by all the people standing around saying nothing while he berated and sneered at that old man as I was the young man himself. They all needed their butts kicked, long ago.

    As my now-grown son said on one occasion, when he was shocked at how some punk kid was talking to his mother: “Mama, if I had ever in my life spoken to you like that, you’d have put me through a wall!

  71. H4T….that kind of respect we had for our peers and elders is going fast, have you seen how kids talk to each other on facebook and to parents, it really is like you are shit on the bottom of a shoe and they are the centre of the universe.

    The world has bred a lot of very disturbed kids and I fear we will pay for it dearly.

    If I’d spoken to my mother the way that guy spoke to that man, i’d have a stiletto hanging out of my head, my mother had direct aim with things, she should have been a sharpshooter.

  72. You can tell that moron in the video is a complete spaced out psycho. Not on the planet at all. Not exactly a glowing advertisement for it is he.

  73. I was almost more bothered by all the people standing around saying nothing while he berated and sneered at that old man as I was the young man himself.

    ===================

    Do you have video of what happens when a troll does something like that at a Tea Party or Palin rally? With a news reporter filming?

    Lose/lose. Jump in or shout down the troll, and the film gets cropped to show rowdy or violent behavior by your group, leaving out the provocation. Keep quiet, and your group get blamed for inaction.

  74. You can tell that moron in the video is a complete spaced out psycho. Not on the planet at all. Not exactly a glowing advertisement for it is he.

    ================

    Advertisement for what? He said he had a job with a plumbers’ union. Not exactly a typical member of the OWS liberal arts crowd.

    More likely hired to troll them and make them look bad. Like people do at Tea Party gatherings.

  75. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/03/334156/top-five-wealthiest-one-percent/

    1. The Top 1 Percent Of Americans Owns 40 Percent Of The Nation’s Wealth: As Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz points out, the richest 1 percent of Americans now own 40 percent of the nation’s wealth. Sociologist William Domhoff illustrates this wealth disparity using 2007 figures where the top 1 percent owned 42 percent of the country’s financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one’s home). How much does the bottom 80 percent own? Only 7 percent:

    As Stiglitz notes, this disparity is much worse than it was in the past, as just 25 years ago the top 1 percent owned 33 percent of national wealth.

    2. The Top 1 Percent Of Americans Take Home 24 Percent Of National Income: While the richest 1 percent of Americans take home almost a quarter of national income today, in 1976 they took home just 9 percent — meaning their share of the national income pool has nearly tripled in roughly three decades.

    3. The Top 1 Percent Of Americans Own Half Of The Country’s Stocks, Bonds, And Mutual Funds: The Institute for Policy Studies illustrates this massive disparity in financial investment ownership, noting that the bottom 50 percent of Americans own only .5 percent of these investments:

    4. The Top 1 Percent Of Americans Have Only 5 Percent Of The Nation’s Personal Debt:
    Using 2007 figures, sociologist William Domhoff points out that the top 1 percent have 5 percent of the nation’s personal debt while the bottom 90 percent have 73 percent of total debt:

    5. The Top 1 Percent Are Taking In More Of The Nation’s Income Than At Any Other Time Since The 1920s: Not only are the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans taking home a tremendous portion of the national income, but their share of this income is greater than at any other time since the Great Depression, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities illustrates in this chart using 2007 data:

    UPDATE
    For an excellent resource about how much income Americans at these different income levels have, see the Tax Policy Center. The top one percent of Americans have an average income of $1.5 million.

  76. turndownobama
    October 4th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
    janH,

    Good for you. It was probably staged.
    —————–
    Well, once again you get it all wrong! I have a very difficult time watching antisemitic events period. And I am insulted that you can’t even stop your inane comments at a time like this.

  77. jan,

    I applaud your good judgement in avoiding an unpleasant video. Especially since it was probably staged in the first place.

  78. I am very seriously considering going to the Pittsburgh Occupy event. I want to keep an open mind and would be most appreciative if anyone has any data. One percent owns an obscenely disproportionate amount of the economy? Who? How? What percent does that one percent give back? I think my 500 dollar donation to a local food bank goes a lot further than 500 taken from and meted out to whom the gov’t sees fit.
    Anyone recall what percentage of income the obamas donated or how much pro bono other did when they were still permitted to practice law?

  79. Regarding the requirement to produce valid ID when casting a vote– if there are 5 million people able to survive without any form of identification and they choose to show up they should simply be given a provisional ballot. Not buying that there are 5 million adults without a form of ID. One cannot get a job. receive public assistance, rent a room, cash a check without ID. Some on the fringe may be lacking but doubt they are going to vote and even if they were only 58% of registered voters cast a ballot in the last election– so lets say three million of those without id vote assuming 75% vote democrat. So 2.3 million votes would go to obama, but of those 2.3 million votes how many would be in NY/NJ/CA/IL. Sixty percent? 50 percent? Not enough to effect an outcome.
    Everyone deserves to have his/her voice heard and every vote should be counted but i believe allowing for provisional ballots defends that right more than allowing people to abuse the system.

  80. jan,

    Of course it was wrong for the man to say those things, for any reason. And there’s no reason for us to listen to it, so good for you for not listening.

  81. One percent owns an obscenely disproportionate amount of the economy?

    ===============

    If you’re really going to look into this, from what I’ve seen over the past months, I think the more impressive statistics would put the division lower than 1/99. What the 1% owns leaves quite a bit of room for the lower %s to own. What’s really bad is that a large number of people below the median or average, have a very very small amount of the pie.

  82. turndownobama
    Please give me stats with verifiable sources
    I’d love to know. I have a problem with using such a wide brush. At a half of a billion not sure if someone like Stephen King fits into the 1% club, but he is a man who made a lot of money while making other people a lot of money. He has been generous to students and allows his works to be adapted for a dollar.
    Soros is one of the 1% percent and I’d argue the bulk of his benevolence is not to charity but to empowering himself.I think most financially secure people are very generous but if you keep calling them grerdy donations will stop. Who will suffer then?

  83. A preview of the collaboration of co-authors Aaron Klein’s and Brenda Elliot’s new book detailing Obama’s agenda.

    “RED ARMY” will be available for sale at Amazon on October 25th. They have forwarded the first 9 pages of the book for a preview. A real page turner. You will be nodding in agreement connecting the dots putting what we think we know with what we already know.

    http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/books/harper/pdf/oct11/RedArmy._V151693478_.pdf

  84. henry,

    99% is too broad, imo. Seems like such statistics have been posted here in teh last few monoths.

    As to donations, I think rich people have better reasons for donating or not donating than being insulted by bloggers. Either they care about the cause, or they want a tax deduction, or both.

    If the charitable donation deduction ‘loophole’ is actually closed, THAT would affect donations.

  85. henry,

    99% is too broad, imo. Seems like such statistics have been posted here in teh last few monoths.

    As to donations, I think rich people have better reasons for donating or not donating than being insulted by bloggers. Either they care about the cause, or they want a tax deduction, or both.

    If the charitable donation deduction ‘loophole’ is actually closed, THAT would affect donations.

  86. turndownobama
    Think you are dead wrong when it comes to donations, i work with and have many friends who are a part of the “99” who are sick and tired of how they with a six figure income are not paying their share.
    Do you believe that most people take a write off for their actions. Really? Clothes time and cash are given freely by most people who realize they are lucky and I believe that is most people. Tax those who give and you will see a big drop in donations. No one I know claims a 100 gift to the salvation army. They already give and claim the max for other things. An individual who gives away 25k on income of 250k is not getting a deal/ All they do is not pay tax on that amount. So not paying tax on 25k which max is 4k(around)
    yeah I am getting away with something by paying out 25k so i don’t have to pay 4k?????

  87. “One percent owns an obscenely disproportionate amount of the economy?”
    ******

    I remember Webster Tarpley coming out with figures a few months ago, from a source I can’t remember, saying that the top 1% owned 40% of US assets and that the bottom 40% owned 1%.

    Tarpley said that those figures had a “cute symmetry” but weren’t exactly true: I think he specified that it was the bottom 36% that owned 1% of the assets. He was reading the figures out of a newly published report and, as I say, I don’t remember the source.

    He went on to explain that the income distribution curve was almost as bad as asset distribution but much more devastating because it meant that people from the bottom had zero chance of getting ahead in the long run.

    He said these distributions made the US look like a banana republic, with a closed-off governing elite occasionally at war with itself but out of touch with the underlings.

    He also said that the same source addressed the issue of social mobility, ie the objective possibility of someone from the lower ranks making his way up the socio-economic ladder during his own lifetime, and the US was ranked second-to-last among developed nations, just before the UK.

  88. From “The Independent” (UK?), a note about how WJC “props up the empty suit” in subtle ways that actually undermine the boob.
    *************

    Bill Clinton’s dangerous game

    By Anne Penketh
    The Foreign Desk
    Wednesday, 5 October 2011 at 12:32 am

    Things are not going well for President Obama. His ratings are low – in fact latest polls show he would lose the next presidential election to a Republican nominee – and the economy is tanking. This week he described himself as “used to being an underdog”.

    You’d think he would find some crumbs of comfort from his party. You’d be wrong. In the last few weeks, Bill Clinton has been undermining the Obama presidency in subtle ways that are reviving bad memories of the 2008 election campaign, when Obama prevailed over the former president’s wife.

    Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, has behaved with exemplary loyalty. But check out her husband, asked on Meet the Press, if Obama can be reelected. There is a long pause, before Clinton replies “Yes” before adding: “if people believe that he had a credible plan and the Republicans thwarted it.” It wasn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.

    He has since said that the president’s economic plan is “a little confusing.”

    Then, last week, there he was again, talking about jobs creation with New York governor Andrew Cuomo. What a contrast to Obama, mired in jobless figures. The Associated Press story about the event quoted a top political strategist working for Clinton, Hank Sheinkopf, who said: “It’s not helpful for President Obama to have an ex-president and a Democratic governor talking about creating jobs when he can’t.”

    But Clinton has not stopped there. Next month he’s bringing out a book, “Back to Work: Why we need smart government for a strong economy.” Clearly the former president wants to boast about having created more than 20 million jobs and the budget surplus he left to George W. Bush.

    Clinton is playing a dangerous game. [??] He is constitutionally barred from standing for a third term, but maybe he has his wife – or someone else – in mind who could challenge the White House incumbent. The last time this happened, when Jimmy Carter was challenged in 1976 by Ted Kennedy, the incumbent lost. Clinton is undermining Obama at a time when the president needs all the help he can get. With friends like these…
    ************

    This author doesn’t offer much insight (she’s writing for foreign readers), but has picked up the subtle ways WJC operates. Should be a comfort to those of us who think WJC is propping up this failed presidency.

  89. This author doesn’t offer much insight (she’s writing for foreign readers), but has picked up the subtle ways WJC operates. Should be a comfort to those of us who think WJC is propping up this failed presidency.
    _____________________

    Say it isn’t so- Someone has learned Clinton speak without reading here faithfully everyday under pink tutelage and not understanding the King’s message? No stage left grand exit melodrama? Oh, the horror of it all- we must be doing something wrong where an outsider gets it and is concerned for the safety and welfare of Peace and Prosperity.

  90. Michelle Obama’s taxpayer-funded spending is an embarrassment for the White House

    Although ignored by most of America’s liberal-dominated media, several online US news sites are reporting that Michelle Obama’s grand tour of southern Africa earlier this year cost American taxpayers nearly half a million dollars – and that’s just for the flights. This follows in the wake of claims this August from sources inside the White House itself that the First Lady may have spent “$10 million of taxpayers’ money on vacations alone in the past year.” Without all the figures available, it is impossible to establish the total cost to the public purse of Michelle Obama’s 42 days of holiday during that period, which included her trip to Spain last year (though not the Obamas’ recent sojourn in Martha’s Vineyard).

    But we do now know for sure that her visit to Africa in June, with a sizeable entourage in tow, cost taxpayers at the very minimum $424,142 in transportation costs, according to figures obtained by Washington-based watchdog Judicial Watch. As the ‘Washington Whispers’ blog at US News and World Report noted:

    First lady Michelle Obama’s family trip to South Africa and Botswana in June cost taxpayers well over $424,000, according to new accounting based on Air Force manifests obtained by Judicial Watch, a taxpayer watchdog group.

    The use of Air Force aircraft alone for the June 21-27 trip cost $424,142, said the group, and that doesn’t include the food, lodging, and ground transportation for the 21 family and staff members.

    The First Lady’s supporters will argue that her African tour advanced relations between the United States and South Africa and Botswana, even though it also included an safari in Kruger National Park near Johannesburg. I suspect most Americans, however, will view this trip as a waste of public funds at a time when the US is running a massive budget deficit and faces a national debt of more than $14 trillion. In an age of austerity, even the First Lady should be expected to make sacrifices, not least when she is spending other people’s money. It is a matter of public interest how public figures spend taxpayer funds, and Mrs Obama should be held to account. As Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton notes:

    This trip was as much an opportunity for the Obama family to go on a safari as it was a trip to conduct government business. This junket wasted tax dollars and the resources of our overextended military. No wonder we had to sue to pry loose this information.

    There can be no doubt that this latest revelation about Michelle Obama’s spending is an embarrassment to the White House at a time when the president is talking about spending cuts, and at least trying to give the impression that he is reining in the deficit. It is also a symbol of the gulf between the taxpayer-subsidised, privileged lifestyle of America’s ruling elites in Washington, compared to the tens of millions of hard-working Americans who are struggling to pay the mortgage, hold on to their homes, put food on the table for their families, and simply make ends meet.

    80 per cent of US voters still think the country is in a recession, according to Gallup, and the First Lady’s lavish spending will surely go down badly in a nation that has taken a real hit economically under President Obama’s failed policies. It is hard to think of a presidency more out of touch with the concerns of ordinary Americans than the current one, and Mrs Obama’s actions will only serve to reinforce that impression. Could Michelle Obama prove a liability for the president as he seeks re-election in 2012? Based on this evidence, the answer is definitely yes.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100108992/michelle-obama%E2%80%99s-taxpayer-funded-spending-is-an-embarrassment-for-the-white-house/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

  91. Mrs. Smith
    October 5th, 2011 at 7:06 am
    “Michelle Obama’s taxpayer-funded spending is an embarrassment for the White House”

    I believe that there is something wrong with her. No one can tell her anything. She wants what she wants and she wants it now. Could it be Oppositional defiant disorder which is defined as “a pattern of disobedient, hostile, and defiant behavior toward authority figures”.

    Symptoms include:
    Angry and resentful of others
    Argues with adults
    Blames others for own mistakes
    Has few or no friends or has lost friends
    Is in constant trouble in school
    Loses temper
    Spiteful or seeks revenge
    Touchy or easily annoyed

    Ulsterman’s Insider description of her meltdown: “The First Lady is being prepped as one of the few assets for the re-election campaign but those inside know she is as big a potential liability as anything associated with the administration. They are using her in controlled environments only. That’s the word from on high. What went down between her and the staff member wasn’t just a tantrum, or some shouting. It was put to me as being “an eruption”. Talking full on screaming here. Not the first time this kind of thing has happened. I’ve shared a bit of that w/you before but this was on another scale apparently. Put the WH on security alert for a brief time. It was that bad.” First Lady causing a security alert? What the hell was she doing?

  92. I think he specified that it was the bottom 36% that owned 1% of the assets. [….]
    He said these distributions made the US look like a banana republic, with a closed-off governing elite occasionally at war with itself but out of touch with the underlings.

    ==================

    Here are some leads to what might have been his source:
    google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=income+distribution+curve+banana+republic&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Tarpley condemns OWS*, so if he accepts similar figures…! (I can’t play the video.)

    geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/
    Webster Tarpley : says that the protesters are not interested in Ron Paul or Obama they are destined to become the dupes of reelect Obama campaign and are manipulated and funded by George Soros [….]

  93. turndownobama
    if you are in fact a paid tool may I suggest you hone your skills a little better. Your philosophy of i will say nice things about Palin so that I can can kill/manipulate them with kindness is an epic fail.
    And please address no ID/cast provisional ballot.

  94. “They are using her in controlled environments only. That’s the word from on high. What went down between her and the staff member wasn’t just a tantrum, or some shouting. It was put to me as being “an eruption”. Talking full on screaming here. Not the first time this kind of thing has happened. I’ve shared a bit of that w/you before but this was on another scale apparently. Put the WH on security alert for a brief time. It was that bad.” First Lady causing a security alert? What the hell was she doing?”
    ______________________________

    I don’t know what she was doing… but, I would say such an eruption was caused by something either her husband or VJ said to her perhaps within the realm of the topic of discussion- ‘curtail spending’- and in a show of mending fences, she manually pushed a shopping cart (incognito) with her own hands where the little people shop at Target. Buying a bag of dog food for the First Canine saving hundreds of pennies better spent on her 2011 winter wardrobe she has now demonstrated is an earned reward for the effort.

    I know very little of her real persona except for listening to her public speaking videos. What I glean from her mannerisms, I would liken to a clam shell closed so tightly only the clam and the sand irritating it is working hard or hardly working to produce a single black pearl. Remaining visible only unto itself hidden behind a recalcitrant exterior opening it’s shell only for the primary functions of life…. eating and …….

  95. Wow, Obama really is a reverse miracle worker.

    Announced U.S. Job Cuts Rise 212% in Year

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-05/announced-u-s-job-cuts-rise-212-from-year-ago-challenger-says.html

    U.S. employers announced the most job cuts in more than two years in September, led by planned reductions at Bank of America Corp. (BAC) and in the military.

    Announced firings jumped 212 percent, the largest increase since January 2009, to 115,730 last month from 37,151 in September 2010, according to Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc. Cuts in government employment, led by the Army’s five-year troop reduction plan, and at Bank of America accounted for almost 70 percent of the announcements.

    While the bulk of firings are not “directly related” to economic weakness, they “could definitely be a sign of more cuts to come,” John A. Challenger, chief executive officer of Challenger, Gray & Christmas, said in a statement. “Bank of America is not the only bank still struggling in the wake of the housing collapse, and the military cutbacks are probably just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to federal spending cuts.”

    More reductions will add to the pool of job seekers competing for work as policy makers, including President Barack Obama and Federal Reserve officials, strive to spur the labor market. Payrolls probably didn’t rise fast enough last month to lower the jobless rate, according to a Bloomberg News survey of economists before the Labor Department’s monthly jobs figures in two days.

    Compared with August, job-cut announcements climbed 126 percent, the Challenger report showed. Because the figures aren’t adjusted for seasonal effects, economists prefer to focus on year-over-year changes rather than monthly numbers.

    Government agencies announced 54,182 reductions in September. Of those, 50,000 resulted from the troop reductions announced by the Army, Challenger said.
    Financial Companies

    Financial companies announced 31,167 cuts, the second most layoffs. Bank of America, the biggest U.S. lender by assets, said on Sept. 12 it will eliminate 30,000 jobs in the next few years as part of Chief Executive Officer Brian T. Moynihan’s plan to bolster profit. The reductions, equal to about 10 percent of the staff, are part of an overhaul that aims to remove about $5 billion in annual costs by the end of 2013.

    Today’s report also showed that employers announced plans in September to hire 76,551 workers, up from 15,201 the prior month, while down from 123,076 in the same month last year. Retailers led the gains, planning to add 70,912 positions ahead of holiday.
    September Employment

    Employers probably added 60,000 jobs in September as the unemployment rate held at 9.1 percent, according to the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of economists ahead of the Oct. 7 Labor Department figures.

    The Fed ‘will continue to closely monitor economic developments and is prepared to take further action as appropriate to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability,” the central bank’s Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said yesterday in testimony to Congress.

    “Recent indicators, including new claims for unemployment insurance and surveys of hiring plans, point to the likelihood of more sluggish job growth in the period ahead,” he said.

    Challenger’s data do not always correlate with figures on payrolls or first-time jobless claims as reported by the government. Many job cuts are carried out through attrition or early retirement. Some employees whose jobs are eliminated find work elsewhere in their companies and many announced staff reductions never take place because business improves. The totals also include foreign affiliates.

  96. Just a few fair and balanced contributor comments from the ‘Mama don’t have no shoes’ article…
    ________________________

    “If I may employ the vernacular,she is what is commonly referred to as “ghetto fabulous!”

    **************

    “you play on the poor ‘struggling to pay the mortgage, hold on to their homes, put food on the table for their families, and simply make ends meet’ but you’d vote in a Republican party that intends to place the tax burden on those same poor people to fund the REAL elite – the 1% who own a third of America.”

    **************

    (Could this comment be excuse enough for the erratic, irrational tirades Michelle inflicts on the WH staff or Hillary? If there is anything to the Globe article? Michelle is a classic case of narcissistic manic-depression. She needs to be medicated, not for herself, but for the benefit and protection of the good people forced to be in her presence on a daily basis-)

    final comment:

    “To be fair, all the money in the world wouldn’t be enough to pay me to put up with being married to Obama. The teleprompter at the foot of the bed would be far too off-putting.”

  97. Good, other people mentioning how the Obama treats his friends when his personal security and livelihood is in jeopardy. Can a Murder by proxy charge stick? We can only hope- Does Holder realize, ‘Stone Heart’ has no allegiances?
    ________________________

    A Bold Prediction Regarding Eric Holder

    Attorney General Eric Holder will soon be tossed under the bus.

    That’s my prediction based on the fact that Rep. Lamar Smith, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, has sent a letter to President Obama, requesting that Obama appoint a special prosecutor to investigate AG Holder for perjury in the Fast & Furious inquiry. Apparently Mr. Holder swore that he had only heard of the project “a few weeks” prior to his testimony before the House Committee:

    “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks,” Holder testified.

    This is directly at odds with new memos that have been uncovered which state that Mr. Holder was briefed regularly about the program, beginning in July of 2010 at the latest. Hence, the request for a special prosecutor.

    Of course, the President can refuse to appoint a prosecutor. And I believe he will do just that. Instead, he will request Holder’s resignation and give a press release, sternly worded about unwarranted witch-hunts, and more in sorrow than in anger that he must send his loyal consigliere packing, simply because he mis-remembered a date (or, as Holder’s minions are claiming, Holder simply misunderstood the question. Right.) Obama will do this, hoping that it’ll suffice to put Congress off the track of more investigations: “Geez, guys, I fired him! What more do you want?!”

    Well, actually, we want the truth. All of it. Who knew what, when. Whose idea was it? Who approved it. Hundreds of people are dead because of this bone-headed project, and who knows how many more will die, all because several Cabinet departments colluded to send guns south across the border to arm Mexican drug cartels in an apparent attempt to bolster the number of illegal guns going to Mexico so that the President could pressure Congress to enact even more gun restriction laws.

    If the Attorney General of the United States knew about the program, he’s guilty of perjury at the very least. And if he didn’t know, he’s not doing his job. Either way, I think Obama will throw him under the bus, if only to try to distract Reps. Smith and Issa from the trail.

    People died — Mexicans and Americans – because of this program (and possibly others like it). We need to know who was behind it, and prosecute the guilty. I believe this includes Eric Holder.

    I believe it also includes the President of the United States.

    http://grandrants.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/a-bold-prediction-regarding-eric-holder/

  98. Mrs. Smith
    October 5th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    I dont’ know about you, but I expect to hear shortly how she is not Proud of American anymore.

  99. NewMexicoFan
    October 5th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Mrs. Smith
    October 5th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    I dont’ know about you, but I expect to hear shortly how she is not Proud of American anymore.
    _________________

    Well, thats a surprise… who knew? Maybe that is why she is about renaming the Pay-Less shoe stores to (Americans must) ‘Pay-More’ and sacrifice more to make up for her scurrilous spending on party clothes and expensive diamond bracelet accoutrements declared a must have for maximum scowl deflection. 🙂

  100. Rasmussen

    Obama: Strongly Approve: 19%… Strongly Disapprove 43%… Approval Index: -24… Total Approval: 42%…

    31% have confidence in Obama economic advisers, 19% have favorable opinion of Treasury Secretary Geithner…

  101. The public is getting pretty tired of the whole “getting arrested for no apparent reason” thing.

    Civil disobedience used to have a purpose. People didn’t get arrested just to make a scene for the cameras, they deliberately and calmly broke a specific unjust law, in order to make the point that they would not obey that unjust law. Riding on that bus, sitting at that forbidden lunch counter.

    Refusing to get permits for large gatherings, asking thousands to come without arranging for things like trash and porta-potties, clogging thoroughfares and roads, blocking businesses that have NOTHING to do with what you are “protesting” (whatever that is), is not civil disobedience. What unjust law are you breaking, fully expecting to get arrested?

    It is entirely possible to have rallies and protests without getting arrested, or causing big problems for the community in which you are doing it. The teaparty did it for 2 years, in huge numbers.

    Getting arrested has over the years morphed from a brave act aimed at a specific goal to nothing more than a stunt, with arrest deliberately invited, just because it’s all radical and cool or something. It’s not brave, its self-indulgent street theatre.

  102. Lessons From Lemmings: The EU’s Green Power Folly

    Forbes ^ | 10/05/2011 | Larry Bell

    Lemming powers of observation aren’t highly regarded. Wouldn’t you think witnessing fellow critters plunge en masse over cliff edges would offer cause for some among them to reconsider the perilous path ahead?

    But then some humans, most notable government leaders, are similarly lacking in foresight. This deficiency is evident in the E.U.’s wind and solar energy stampede which has sped their arrival to the brink of economic collapse.

    Before America races any farther down that same road, let’s pause to heed lessons from their costly experiences. And we might learn much from our own as well.

    Consider Denmark. On Earth Day, 2010, President Obama praised the country as a great green power model, telling an Iowa audience that “America produces less than 3% of our electricity through renewable sources like wind and solar — less than 3%. Now, in comparison, Denmark produces almost 20% of their electricity through wind power.”

    Yet a 2009 report issued by CEPOS, a Danish think tank, tells a far different story. Its study found that while wind provided 19% of the country’s electricity generation, it only met an average 9.7% of the demand over a five year period, and a mere 5% during 2006.

    Since the country can’t use all the electricity it produces at night, it exports about half of its extra supply to Norway and Sweden where hydroelectric power can be switched on and off to balance their grids. Still, even with those export sales, government wind subsidies cause Danish customers to pay the highest electricity rates in Europe.

    Germany’s frenetic foray into wind and solar power established a variation of subsidies in the form of a “feed-in law” requiring utilities to purchase different kinds of renewable energy at different rates. This has placed solar power costs at an equivalent of 59 cents per kilowatt hour, compared with between three and ten cents per kWh for conventional electricity.

    Subsidies for wind power are three times higher than conventional electricity. Since the government has guaranteed these massive subsidy markets for 20 years or more, the industries had no problem attracting early investors.

    But it didn’t work out very well either for business, or for private households, raising energy rates 7.5% in 2008. Nor has it been any bargain in converting tax investments into new jobs, with average annual subsidized per-worker wages in photovoltaics reaching $240,000.

    As for clean energy carbon abatement benefit credits on the European Trading System, the math didn’t add up very favorably either. Abatement costs for carbon from wind generation were $80 per ton, whereas carbon traded at only $19 per ton.

    Worse, the wind produced only about one-fifth of its installed capacity. Ironically, since Germany has shut down some of its older nuclear plants in response to the nuclear accident in Japan, they now have to import nuclear power from France and the Czech Republic.

    To help compensate for this shortfall, the country plans to create a 50 MW offshore wind farm in the Baltic Sea, and expand capacity to 10,000 MW offshore by 2020. Construction, maintenance and power transmission requirements will be much more costly than land-based installations, requiring even higher subsidies and consumer pain.
    ……………..

    Two more informational pages on the power of ‘green’ myth at link:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/10/04/lessons-from-lemmings-the-eus-green-power-folly/

  103. “Getting arrested has over the years morphed from a brave act aimed at a specific goal to nothing more than a stunt, with arrest deliberately invited, just because it’s all radical and cool or something. It’s not brave, its self-indulgent street theater.”
    __________________

    agreed- a deliberate attempt to demean and diminish the power of the REAL people who carry a message and a declared cause for protest.

  104. H4T
    While I agree with most of your statement let’s remember not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
    I am 44 and I vividly remember protests against Bush in the late eighties concerning AIDS. Protesters lined up outside of The Hotel atop the bellview where Bush was staying and dumped and carried caskets claiming Bush was responsible for aids. WTF? The message to wrap it up was already out there. a scary time for many but Bush senior did not cause the outbreak actions did, And I do draw a parallel between aids and the mortgage crisis- and that being that personal responsibility goes a long way.

  105. henry, I am not saying that there is never a time to go bold and get arrested. Usually it’s best when one is targeting a specific policy or law, and you are deliberately trespassing on the property of the target. Like the war protesters who chained themselves to the whitehouse gates.

    The Brooklyn bridge, NY’s streets and businesses and restaurants and parks, have little to do with the banks, or economic policy.

    As for AIDS, the govt acted atrociously in the beginning, but so did the activist gay community. They actively lobbied against shutting down the bathhouses, warning the gay community, or testing the blood supply – all of which were standard responses in that kind of potential epidemic, and would have gone a long way toward limiting the damage and the spread of the disease in the beginning. Politics and image was more important to the activists than lives. It’s not something that is popular to say, and people get called a homophobe for saying it, but it’s true. They were more worried about AIDS being tagged as “the gay disease” than they were real dead gay people.

  106. I figured you might, henry, because you are a sensible man! 😀 A lot of the public doesn’t seem to realize that the handful of gay “leaders and activists” don’t always speak for the entire gay community or every gay person. But they are the ones who go lobby the govt on behalf of all, so that’s who the govt listened to.

    I tell young people who were not alive or too young when AIDS hit us like a scourge, that if they watch or read nothing else about that terrible era, they MUST watch “And the Band Played On”. They need to understand what happened.

  107. Okay, Obama is a fucking idiot who understands nothing about how the real world works, and continues to churn out policies with no regard for the potential side effects of those policies.

    In his jobs bill is a proposal to limit the tax writeoffs for high earners. That’s all well and good intentioned, but one of the tax writeoffs listed to be hit is municipal bonds. MOST muni bonds in this country are held by the wealthy, precisely because of their tax characteristics. You don’t make jack on the interest, as it’s usually very low, but it’s fairly safe and the big draw is that it’s tax free.

    So what is going to happen if you decide to take that tax-free status away? All those wealthy people immediately start dumping their muni bonds, and looking for another place to park their money. So what happens to all the struggling cities and towns and school districts and states who have been keeping their heads above water by selling municipal bonds? This idiot move could well bankrupt entire cities.

    Jeebus, this moron lives in a lala land where the fact that a policy means well is all you need, and reality is somehow going to take a back seat to noble good intentions.

  108. They are really stretching it on GMA this morning. They found a stat that said O has a 15% highter rating on job creation than Congress. I just am having trouble understanding what these people are basing their belief in. Of course it all depends on how that question was phrased, and I don’t think they quoted the exact questions. Slick, right.

  109. H4T
    I have no idea how to express this but to blurt it out– so here goes– My guilt and my religion saved me from being an AIDS sufferer, i am 44 now but I remember so much from that time– being held down and having strangers piss on my face while screaming we know what you FAGGOT. Scared 17 year old boy who kicked in his parents basement window and slept on cold hard concrete because he felt filthy, I never learned to drive a car because i was so ashamed of myself and to drive might mean I might have a date. Avoided and in my teenage mind protected my parents from the shame of me.
    Decades later i wonder if i hadn’t had that battle if I’d be alive making an itty bitty difference in an annoying cretins world

  110. henry, no one deserves that kind of battle. No one. (((((hug))))) But if the one tiny sliver of silver lining is that it kept you from the promiscuity that might have killed you at the time, I guess one can be grateful for that result, if not the horror.

    I’m certainly glad you are still here, and I know your cretin is too.

  111. Between the stupid vague protests and Obama’s dumb muni bond idea, I am disgusted this morning.

    God save us from fucking blind ideologues and/or vote-panderers.

    The nouveau-lefty “just soak the rich and life will be rosy” crowd is just as stupid and non-reality-based as the libertarian “just get rid of all federal govt and life will be rosy” crowd.

    Can I get some goddamned adults in the room, please?

  112. H4T
    My saga gets a little better. i was born with a bum ticker and had to endure a few operations. Head to toe scars. Yet my face told another story– usually Montgomery Clift or Dean. i suppose maybe I was handsome but I never forgot how I felt— how much I hurt.
    can honestly say it was all worth it if it meant I picked up my brat and touched her life.

  113. henry, you and the brat are very good things.
    ——————-
    Someone has commented at Sarah P’s FB:

    Alzheimers seem to be spreading like wildfire in the Obama adminstration…

    Holder can’t remember anything about Fast and Furious
    Biden can’t remember who Van Jones is
    Obama says Solyndra was throughly vetted

  114. HPublic Schedule for October 5, 2011

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    October 5, 2011

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON:
    Secretary Clinton is on foreign travel in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic for the fourth Pathways to Prosperity in the Americas ministerial. Click here for more information. She is accompanied by Under Secretary Sherman, Assistant Secretary Fernandez and Acting Assistant Secretary Jacobson.

    3:20 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with participants in the Pathways to Prosperity Women Entrepreneurs’ Network, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (POOLED PRESS COVERAGE)

    3:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton delivers remarks at the opening session of the Pathways to Prosperity Ministerial Meeting, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE)

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton participates in a panel discussion moderated by Juan Carlos Lopez of CNN en Espanol, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (POOLED PRESS COVERAGE)

    4:45 p.m. Secretary Clinton participates in the working session of the Pathways to Prosperity Ministerial Meeting, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE)

    6:50 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the staff and families of Embassy Santo Domingo, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE)

    7:25 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a reception for the Americas Competitiveness Forum, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY HOST)

    8:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a dinner hosted by Dominican Foreign Minister Morales, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic.
    (illary is “ON THE ROAD AGAIN “

  115. The latest defense from the MSM on Fast and Furious is that Bush had a “similar” program called Operation Wide Receiver.

    HotAir asks some pertinent questions about the “Bush did it too” meme:

    Wide Receiver apparently allowed a small number of weapons to get into the hands of gun traffickers — but did any of those cross the border? If so, did the Bush administration coordinate that effort with the Mexican government? The issue here isn’t the idea of a sting operation, but the fact that the Department of Justice knowingly allowed weapons to flow over the border and get into the hands of drug cartels. The AP carefully dances around that issue when reporting that OWR was similar, an argument which is nonsense if the Bush administration kept the guns on this side of the southern border or coordinated the operation with Mexican officials to keep the weapons out of the hands of the gangs.

    So, we really don’t know if “Bush did it too”, or if Operation Wide Receiver was a legitimate sting by law enforcement. Issa said this when questioned by Anderson Cooper about it:

    Issa tells Cooper that the Obama administration is also withholding documents relating to Wide Receiver, but that he would be interested in probing that operation as well.

    Notice that? Why would the Obama administration be withholding documents about what Bush did? There are two possibilities in my mind:

    1) this is big govt malfeasance spanning 2 administrations, and it’s all connected, or

    b) Release of those documents would show that what started as a well-controlled and legitimate sting operation under Bush blossomed into a rogue clusterfuck under Obama – and the contrast would be evident.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/05/video-issa-hits-holder-on-ac360/#comments

  116. Wow. Okay, some of the questions from HotAir seem to be getting answered fast. The original reporter, CBS’s Sharyl Attkisson, has a new piece up about OWR under Bush:

    Gun enthusiast and licensed dealer Mike Detty said he was working a Tucson, Ariz., gun show in early 2006 when a young Hispanic man bought a half-dozen semi-automatic rifles. He paid $1,600 cash.

    Detty recalled, “But then he asked if I had more, and I told him that later in the month I would have another 20 from my supplier. And he said, ‘I’ll take ’em all.'”

    Detty said he suspected the buyer was trafficking for a drug cartel. Tucson is just an hour from the Mexican border and a popular shopping center for smugglers.

    Detty notified ATF – the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. To his surprise, ATF told him to go ahead with the big sale and sent an undercover agent to watch. Then, a local ATF manager made an unusual and dangerous proposition: He asked Detty to be a confidential informant.

    Detty told CBS News, “He said, ‘Mike, I think we’ve got a real chance at taking out a powerful cartel. Can you help us?’ I made that commitment. And I really thought I was doing something good.”

    Detty said he even signed an informant contract. As he understood it, he’d sell to suspected traffickers. Agents would track the weapons, expose the cartel’s inner workings, and then interdict the guns before they could ever get loose on the street – or so Detty thought.

    Detty said his business, “Mad Dawg,” catered to this dangerous clientele in his living-room showroom. ATF agents watched and listened outside.

    In an audio recording from a sale, Detty can be heard saying, “if your guys need more guns – ” A suspect replies, “I do.” Detty says, “You let me know.”

    “I do,” the suspect repeats. Detty says, “And it’s cool with me, OK?”
    “I want to buy all of them that are like that. All of them I can get,” the suspect says. Detty responds, “OK, I have a lot of them like that.”

    “I want to buy them all,” the suspect responds.

    Detty said ATF would have a small audio recording device. Sometimes it was hidden in a box of Kleenex,” he said. One of the biggest cases was code-named: “Operation Wide Receiver.”

    Attkisson asked Detty, “Do you know about how many guns we’re talking about?”

    Detty said, “It’s right around 450.”

    Detty came forward after things didn’t work out as Detty had thought they would. Detty says he realized ATF was letting guns “walk” and instead of helping to take down cartels, he’d helped ATF arm them.

    Attkisson asked, “When you look back and think in hindsight knowing what we know now – that all those guns were going on the street – what do you think about?”

    Detty said, “It really makes me sick.”

    So currently I’d have to lean toward Option (1) in my scenario above: This is govt malfeasance spanning 2 administrations. A bad idea by Gonzalez that Holder expanded and made even worse. But it’s Holder and Obama that’s on the hook now for the cover-up.

    In one sense, this is a great opportunity for the R’s. If Issa and the Republicans really want to prove to the public that they have heard them, and are serious about reforming their own party, then they need to follow this where it leads, even into the Bush administration as well as the Obama one.

    If they did that, they could maybe undo some of the damage to their party re: ignoring the rule of law that Bush and Co. did.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/05/earlyshow/main20115824.shtml

  117. HillaryforTexas
    October 5th, 2011 at 10:37 am
    Okay, Obama is a fucking idiot who understands nothing about how the real world works, and continues to churn out policies with no regard for the potential side effects of those policies.

    In his jobs bill is a proposal to limit the tax writeoffs for high earners. That’s all well and good intentioned, but one of the tax writeoffs listed to be hit is municipal bonds. MOST muni bonds in this country are held by the wealthy, precisely because of their tax characteristics. You don’t make jack on the interest, as it’s usually very low, but it’s fairly safe and the big draw is that it’s tax free.

    So what is going to happen if you decide to take that tax-free status away? All those wealthy people immediately start dumping their muni bonds, and looking for another place to park their money. So what happens to all the struggling cities and towns and school districts and states who have been keeping their heads above water by selling municipal bonds? This idiot move could well bankrupt entire cities.

    Jeebus, this moron lives in a lala land where the fact that a policy means well is all you need, and reality is somehow going to take a back seat to noble good intentions.
    ________________________________________________

    Complete idiocy from this brainiac MSM foisted upon America as “the most intelligent man to sit in the oval office”.

  118. aaaah the usual, “he started it”. Never Obama’s fault is it. Excuse me but Bush has not been President for nearly 3 years, ffs give over will you, its like a broken record.

  119. The “Occupy Wall Street” protesters have listed 13 proposed demands from their website.

    Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

    Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system.

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

    Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

    Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

    Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

    Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

    Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

    …………………………………

    If they seriously think most of thats gonna happen……..and how do they think they would pay for all that?

  120. seems that anti semitic OWS stuff is not an isolated incident.

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/occupy-wall-street-beware-journalist-and-jew

    Well, that didn’t take long. The Occupy Wall Street crowd has already displayed some forceful anti-semitism. And unlike, for instance, the claim that Tea Partiers shouted racial slurs at black Democratic members of Congress, the anti-semitism is on video.

    One blogger with LiveLeak.com (“redefining the media,” that lot) took a shot at “Journalist & Jew Natalie Rothschild” because she wrote an item on what she called “Monty Python’s Occupy Wall Street” that pointed out the absurd aspects of the protest – sorry, “revolution;” they’re revolutionaries down there. Rothschild noted in an ensuing Huffington Post piece that she’s received “a string of indignant emails and tweets about my [supposed] Jewish, kleptocrat banking connections . . . Unfortunately, though, I have no wealthy backers,” Rothschild wrote.

  121. And the idiocy continues. This in Salon:

    So my immodest proposal is simply this: Individuals and households in the bottom 99 percent who owe debt to any large financial institution that received federal government support during and after the 2008 crisis should see their debt forgiven. That would certainly stimulate the economy, as most people would suddenly find themselves with a great deal more money to spend on iPads (and food, and clothing, and housing, and healthcare). The debt can be forgiven by decree or if the government really wants to it can step in to pay it itself; I don’t much care either way. (Though it’d be nice to see it just wiped off the books, to enrage the banks.)

    Oh, great. Yes, let’s just cause a huge financial crash, and the complete shutdown of the entire economy.

    What these idiots don’t seem to get is that you have to balance what’s fair with what is. It’s not a particularly pleasant reality that the large financial institutions are absolutely necessary to the country. Yes, it gives them leverage. And I don’t like that. But the fact that I don’t like it doesn’t make it not so. It’s like gravity. Gravity doesn’t give a shit if it’s fair that you fall – step off the ledge and you will. Cancel all the debt of 99% of the country, and all the banks crash. Immediately. As well as the stock market, and major corporations.

    And I just love this:

    or if the government really wants to it can step in to pay it itself;

    With what? Seriously. Are they not aware that the govt does not posses one thin dime that isn’t extracted from some other citizen’s pocket? Cancel the debts of an entire country, and pull it all out of WHOSE pockets? Don’t say the rich, because there aren’t enough of them to even make a DENT in that amount of money, even if you confiscated it all.

    This protest is turning into the white liberal college student version of “Obama’s gonna pay my mortgage and my car…. out of his stash!” , and it’s just as childish and laughable as that woman was in 2008.

    Oh, and fucking idiot college students?

    You know those banks and other institutions that you want to bankrupt overnight? Those evil evil corporations?

    That’s where workers’ pensions are invested. That’s where your mom and dad’s 401k is invested. And your college trust. All of those millions and millions of average Americans going about their business and saving for retirement are what’s called shareholders, see. I know it’s difficult for you to believe, but the assets of an evil corporation don’t just consist of a big fat overpaid CEO and 12 board members. They consist of lots and lots of PEOPLE.

    Anyone in this country who has any kind of 401k or IRA or any savings at all are parts of those “corporate persons” that you want to smash like a fucking child, with no awareness whatsoever of what you are doing, or what the result will be. At least the real communist revolutionaries knew they wanted to utterly destroy their current country. You idiots aren’t even that. Just clueless.

    So go home, and learn something about the way the world works before you put forth your giddy unicorns-and-bongos “manifestos”

    Otherwise, kiss my petit bourgeois ass, you morons.

  122. What frightens me is they suggest all this “as college students”, this is the future morons running things, if they cant work out how its run by now and how it all links together, god help us.

    They think its all cool raging against this shit but they’ll soon freak out when their trust funds, bank accounts and technology ipads and iphones all drop dead from their stupidity.

    Ying and Yang. Some people aint learned that yet the world works in the tussle between the two.

  123. “So currently I’d have to lean toward Option (1) in my scenario above: This is govt malfeasance spanning 2 administrations. A bad idea by Gonzalez that Holder expanded and made even worse. But it’s Holder and Obama that’s on the hook now for the cover-up..”
    ********
    Trying to figure out what was going on is very problematic because of the cover up. However, it looks like the stated purpose “To track guns to the cartels” was actively discouraged by the “Upper Levels”, much to the distress of the cooperating gun dealers and lower level Fed. agents. We don’t know who got the guns but the theory that the “program” was used to arm rival gangs of the Los Zetas Cartel has the best fit to the few available “facts”.

    If the gun program was the result of stupidity and bungling, the extent of the cover up wouldn’t be worth the resulting political damage. The recent release, under much duress, of the extensive communications between ATF and the White House National Security Office, really smells.

  124. I’ve just been to the mailbox.
    Waiting for me was a DSCC solicitation over Harry Reid’s signature. First Harry, let me ‘out’ myself right here and now; according to your outside envelope, I am Democratic Supporter Number 0001127522. Obviously you’ve been ignoring my protestations for awhile or would would not still be sending me anything. OK. So now to your important message.

    You’re telling me the Republicans have gone too far?
    That we are in a hostage crisis?
    That with just 4 more Senate seats and I quote “these irresponsible extremists could prevent any sustainable economic recovery and cause a new global economic crisis?” Gee Harry, are you trying to scare me or something? Oh, now I see the way SNARK:
    The DSCC is leading the fight against the Radical Right — a fight to save the Senate and, tah dah!, save the country.

    “These Republicans have played a dangerous game, refusing to let our government invest in job creation, help the middle class, even pay its bills — knowing full well that they were jeopardizing our fragile economic recovery. THEY JUST DON’T CARE.

    “If you’re like me, watching these Republicans hold America hostage makes you frustrated beyond belief – and the thought of watching them gain from their reckless behavior is even worse.” End quotes.
    ———-
    Remember Harry. My number is 0001127522 and I am helping those new Tea Partiers in the House. So just keep doing Obama’s bidding and sending me these accusations and pleas. Usually they go straight to the burn barrel, but today I put yours online first. Now I’ll burn it.
    Remember Harry. My number is 0001127522.

  125. The “Occupy Wall Street” protesters have listed 13 proposed demands from their website.

    ================

    Last I saw, there were a lot of articles posted by a lot of different people (some obviously trolls) with a lot of different PROPOSED lists of demands. If you think one of them has become the One True List, pls give the url of OWS itself announcing it.

  126. “To be fair, all the money in the world wouldn’t be enough to pay me to put up with being married to Obama. The teleprompter at the foot of the bed would be far too off-putting.”

    ===============

    LOL!

  127. It would be nice instead of slobbering over these nitwits that the media did a little digging into who’s funding this.

    Internet pledges arrive via two main websites: occupywallst.org was registered July 14, two months before the demonstrations began, by a Los Angeles privacy service that shields the owner’s identity.

    The second, nycga.cc, was registered Sept. 11 by Brooklyn resident Vladimir Teichberg, records show.

    The Alliance for Global Justice, a nonprofit with 501c3 status, helped Occupy Wall Street to collect tax-exempt donations and open a credit union account to centralize funds.

    The Washington-based organization’s most recent 2009 tax return has revenues of $843,547, including contributions and grants of $789,509, records show.

    Alliance for Global Justice, huh? Funny, but a few seconds of research leads us directly to none of than George Soros and his Open Society Institute. These folks also show solidarity with Marxist regimes in Nicaragua and Venezuela.
    But remember, this is just some spontaneous grassroots movement in response to the Tea Party or something.

    Here’s a who’s who of Democratic Party apparatchiks showing up today.

    AFL-CIO (AFSCME)
    United NY
    Strong Economy for All Coalition
    Working Families Party
    TWU Local 100
    SEIU 1199
    CWA 1109
    RWDSU
    Communications Workers of America
    CWA Local 1180
    United Auto Workers
    United Federation of Teachers
    Professional Staff Congress – CUNY
    National Nurses United
    Writers Guild East

    Obama’s band is back together and today they’re playing Wall Street. Just don’t expect the lamestream media to dig too deep as to who’s behind this effort.

    Oh, and that Vladimir Teichberg? Well, according to linked in, there is one who is a trader for HSBC. Gee, could there be some attempt to tank some banking stocks here, short them on the way down, and make piles of money? Remember, the Big Boyz like Soros and his cronies MAKE money on tanking markets and unrest. Everyone’s 401k’s flow right into their pockets as they deliberately make their bets on markets going down, then help make it happen.

  128. Must leave soon.

    The 13 demands nutpicked above are not on OWS’s front page at occupywallst.org/

    They’re one of many posts at OWS forum
    occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

    See also
    occupywallst.org/forum/stop-listing-demands/

  129. I’ve been surfing their own sites and looking at their own photos and signs and reading their own tweets and postings to draw a conclusion, moon. It’s not a case of the occasional whackpot – 90% of what I am seeing is whacked. There are a few sane voices trying to get the rest to be adults, but at this point it’s a free-for-all tantrum and whine. The loons are far outnumbering those who have a clue.

  130. moon,

    Heh. You’ll be glad to know that CRawdad is on to me. Can’t get posts up over there. Either it says ‘moderation’ or they never show at all, or after ‘moderation’ they disappear.

    Anyone else having trouble posting over there?

  131. Now here’s a Party I could get behind if I could go!

    Shadowfax, you will have to be our representative- you have enough advance notice for your establishment to get the required time off. (next day would be better than day of, I think…)

    A Special Invitation to all from Chelsea-

    http://chelseaclintonunleashed.wordpress.com/

  132. Another contrast with the teaparties: The teaparties gathered to show solidarity and to urge their members to work within and uphold our system of govt, by voting in people who would share their goals, by primarying politicians who did not, and by going home and talking with their neighbors. They wanted to get involved in the process of representative govt, not hold the govt hostage with civil unrest. They had speakers talking about what their goals were, and what they wanted to accomplish, and they listened. They didn’t all agree on everything, but they found common ground in addressing their grievances to their elected representatives, and making an effort (which still continues) to go to the ballot box and achieve their goals. They never tried to just make vague demands to thin air: “You will do this, or we will continue to disrupt and try to shut things down until you do.” They said: “We will vote you out if you continue to spend too much money and exert too much control over our lives.” They were pretty clear about what they wanted, and what THEIR portion of responsibility as citizens for making it happen was.

    THAT is what democracy looks like – not banging a drum while basically yelling “Everything sucks, and all you people in power ought to do….something or other! Down with tha Man!” That’s not a movement, that’s cheap nihilism and self-indulgent whining dressed up in a word fog of trendy-cause-sounding nothing.

  133. http://bemused-leftist.livejournal.com/

    Name:bemused_leftist Location:Tehran, Iran

    I support Wikileaks; I favor single-payer health care for all; full equality for GLBT; immigration reform; free contraceptives, abortion, and childcare for all; legalizing recreational drugs; jail for violent crimes only; Deep Ecology; animal rights; strong environmental action; alternate energy; organic agriculture; etc etc.

    I sometimes post defenses of corporate media targets such as the Tea Party people and Sarah Palin, for these reasons.
    1. sense of fairness
    2. civility improves outcomes
    3. no one else is doing it

    Definition of bemused – perplexed by many conflicting situations or statements; filled with bewilderment; bewildered, confounded, confused, at sea, baffled, mazed, mixed-up, befuddled, lost
    perplexed – full of difficulty or confusion or bewilderment; “perplexed language”; “perplexed state of the world”

  134. blowme0bama
    October 4th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Shadow,

    Thanks. I had thought laws which discriminated on the basis of gender were subject to strict scruitny under 14th amendment analysis. The 1964 Civil Rights act applies to employment, and enacted under the 14th amendment (includes sex discrimination in employment), but I suppose strict scrutiny 14th Amendment applies only to race / religion / whatever.

    Again, thanks. That’s what I get for shooting from the hip.
    ——-

    You’re welcome Blow, I thought the same as you did up until 2007 and was shocked about this myself. I think it is the reason it has been difficult getting three more states to join in to pass the ERA, most people think it already is legally equal.

    Even though it is brought up, year after year in Congress, some Repubs have derailed it by claiming things like abortion rights are connected to it, which is not true.

  135. Mrs. Smith
    October 5th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Now here’s a Party I could get behind if I could go!

    Shadowfax, you will have to be our representative- you have enough advance notice for your establishment to get the required time off. (next day would be better than day of, I think…)

    ———
    I would go if it were in N. CA but L.A. is too far away for this event. They will be in a theater were they will appear as ants in a seat I could afford.

    I saw the Big Dawg where I work (can’t tell where) and then saw him 10 feet away from me. I don’t want to be in a huge space where I can’t have eye contact with the Clinton’s, especially if it costs money I don’t have.

    Thanks for thinking of me attending though.

  136. H4T – how do you think foreign propagandists spread their disino? Handing out flyers?

    We know the white house pays people to go on fora and blogs to push the innane Obama policy crap – they’ve told they do it.

  137. I know this is a slow news day, but aren’t the comments about the protest and turndown the same as on the last thread?

  138. BMO,

    I have no idea but the posts on that site sure sound similar to the content of those posted here.

    And for anyone to label themselves as “bemused” without realizing the term means confused, bewildered, perplexed, I mean, come on.

  139. Total annual profit of US banks: $80 billion. Enough to run the federal government for… 7.5 days.

    But…but….but… if we just take their money all will be fine!

  140. Alls I know is these protests aren’t going away any time soon.. all they are doing is growing in size and new locations will be springing up and galvanizing each and every week-end until the snow flies… The Soros protests are part of Obama’s mission creep. The country will wake up one morning and find protesters on their front steps.

  141. The country will wake up one morning and find protesters on their front steps.

    Not on my front steps. I’m armed, and TX has the castle doctrine. 😀

  142. I think all the focus on “the gap” ignores the larger problem of getting a productive economy going.

    In which society would you rather live? One in which 1% makes a billion dollars, and 99% make from $50,000 to $200,000? Or one in which the top 1% only make $500,000, and the rest make $10,000?

    I’m not saying the gap is not of any concern at all. But to make it the be-all end-all distracts from the reality that we need JOBS, and a productive economy. If everyone is better off, I frankly don’t give a shit what those at the very top make. I don’t object to it being one data point among many – like the illegality of many of the investment schemes by WallStreet, the bailouts, the corruption of our govt, etc.

    But I object to “closing the gap” being an end in itself. I don’t see the point of it being the whole focus. If you close it, and the country is stagnant and jobless and going nowhere, that’s a bit of a pyrrhic victory, IMO.

  143. HillaryforTexas
    October 5th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    The country will wake up one morning and find protesters on their front steps.

    Not on my front steps. I’m armed, and TX has the castle doctrine.
    ________________

    yes, I know about Texas Law. I have family not living too far away from you. My point is, Protests are going to be growing not diminishing and will be a topic of discussion for some months to come. There is a method to this madness. Rather than dismissing it out of hand as boring or been there done that type of thing- this is an example of mission creep…like an innocuous fog rolling in that usually clears after daybreak, this phenomenon will expand until every state has a visible presence of protest until we are overwhelmed and recant, why didn’t we see it coming? This is nothing like Denver- nothing like it at all-

  144. Mrs. Smith
    October 5th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Any Republican 47%

    Obama 41%

    —————
    That is absolutely amazing. One of our Big Pinks should register as a Rethug and jump into the race.

  145. Anyways from Sat, i’ll hardly be online a whole lot, i’ll be in the Uk and Ireland for 4 weeks, i’ll try and drop in when i can.

    Don’t you find it just amazing that someone posts certain types of post and then our favourite person turns up within a few minutes to reply.

  146. Next, Comes The Impeachment: Republicans Seek All White Hse Communication On Solyndra Since Inauguration

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/next-comes-impeacthment-republians-seek-all-white-house-communication-solyndra-obama-inaugurati

    Recently Provided Documents Reveal President’s Inner Circle Voiced Concern with Solyndra, Wealthy Campaign Donors Had Direct Line to West Wing

    Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI) and Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns (R-FL) are seeking all communications between White House staff and officials regarding now-bankrupt Solyndra’s $535 million loan guarantee. The Committee leaders have requested all documents dating back to President Obama’s inauguration on January 20, 2009. Recently produced documents reveal the President’s closest confidantes closely monitored the Solyndra loan and wealthy donors also weighed in on Solyndra to those officials closest to the Oval Office.

    Subcommittee Chairman Stearns made the following statement:

    “Nearly eight months into our investigation, documents provided to the Committee last Friday confirm those closest to the President – top advisors like Valerie Jarrett, Larry Summers, and Ron Klain – had direct involvement in the Solyndra mess. In addition to the cast of West Wing characters with access to the Oval Office, documents reveal a startlingly cozy relationship between wealthy donors and the President’s confidantes, especially in matters related to Solyndra. While the President claims ‘hindsight is always 20/20’ and the loan went ‘through the regular review process,’ the facts tell a much different story with some of the loudest alarm bells on Solyndra’s viability coming from within his very own administration.”

    In the letter to White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler, the Committee leaders write, “On May 24, 2010, a DOE official emailed Ron Klain, Chief of Staff to Vice President Biden, to say that ‘we believe the company is okay in the medium term, but will need some help of one kind or another down the road.’ Mr. Klain forwarded that email to Valerie Jarrett and stated that, based on DOE’s evaluation, ‘there are some risk factors here — but that’s true of any innovative company that POTUS would visit. It looks like it is OK to me, but if you feel otherwise, let me know.’ Ms. Jarrett responds that, ‘I’m comfortable if you’re comfortable.’ Later that same day, OMB staff traded emails about Solyndra. Their outlook on Solyndra’s prospects, however, was less positive. In one email, an OMB staff member stated, “I am increasingly worried that this visit could prove embarrassing to the Administration in the not too distant future, given 1) what we heard today about DOE that Solyndra is delaying their IPO at least until the end of the year, and 2) what the auditors said about Solyndra making it through the year absent new financing . . . . It might be worth flagging to policy officials given this high-profile visit.” Other emails produced by OMB also show that OMB staff did not believe that DOE was adequately monitoring the loan guarantees it had issued.”

    …………………………

    I think we are getting close to lift off.

  147. Palin has released statement, not interested in the 2012 Run.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/105741/

    October 5, 2011
    Wasilla, Alaska
    After much prayer and serious consideration, I have decided that I will not be seeking the 2012 GOP nomination for President of the United States. As always, my family comes first and obviously Todd and I put great consideration into family life before making this decision. When we serve, we devote ourselves to God, family and country. My decision maintains this order.

    My decision is based upon a review of what common sense Conservatives and Independents have accomplished, especially over the last year. I believe that at this time I can be more effective in a decisive role to help elect other true public servants to office – from the nation’s governors to Congressional seats and the Presidency. We need to continue to actively and aggressively help those who will stop the “fundamental transformation” of our nation and instead seek the restoration of our greatness, our goodness and our constitutional republic based on the rule of law.

    From the bottom of my heart I thank those who have supported me and defended my record throughout the years, and encouraged me to run for President. Know that by working together we can bring this country back – and as I’ve always said, one doesn’t need a title to help do it.

    I will continue driving the discussion for freedom and free markets, including in the race for President where our candidates must embrace immediate action toward energy independence through domestic resource developments of conventional energy sources, along with renewables. We must reduce tax burdens and onerous regulations that kill American industry, and our candidates must always push to minimize government to strengthen the economy and allow the private sector to create jobs.

    Those will be our priorities so Americans can be confident that a smaller, smarter government that is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people can better serve this most exceptional nation.

    In the coming weeks I will help coordinate strategies to assist in replacing the President, re-taking the Senate, and maintaining the House.

    Thank you again for all your support. Let’s unite to restore this country!

    God bless America.

    – Sarah Palin

    …………………….

    Beginning to look like Mittens……………………..

  148. In choosing a VP for Romney or Cain, they will have to take on a strong conservative for Romney and a blance for Cain.

    If its Romney, expect a conservative, they would have to bring a package with them.

    Romney/Cain would be fascinating or Romney/Ryan, Romney/Sandoval, Romney/Martinez, Rubio has again said no to the VP slot again today categorically.

    For Cain it would have to be moderate, non ethnic, like Mitch Daniels of Indiana but personally if Cain was give the Nod, i think his best bet is actually Paul Ryan of Wisconsin

    Cain/Ryan or Cain/Daniels would be great combination too.

  149. The fight now will be over who gets her endorsement. She’s not done.

    I’d love for whoever wins to appt her Energy Secretary. Heads would explode, especially in oil company boardrooms and at lobbyist lunches.

  150. sigh…

    Obama Taps Hillary Clinton’s Popularity To Help Push Jobs Agenda

    Oct. 5, 2011

    President Barack Obama has drafted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to help him sell his jobs agenda to a wary Congress and American public.

    Clinton, the most popular figure in American government, will host Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness on Friday at the State Department to discuss ways to grow foreign direct investment and increase domestic investment.

    It’s a major shift for Clinton, who has largely been above the fray between Congress and Obama, with a heavy foreign policy agenda due to the Arab Spring — and inserting her into the debate seems to be an attempt by the Obama administration to capitalize on her popularity.

    She will be joined by GE Chairman and President’s Jobs Council Chairman Jeff Immelt, Kodak CEO Antonio Perez, and UBS President Robert Wolf.

    The White House press release for the event is below:

    THE WHITE HOUSE
    Office of the Press Secretary
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    October 5, 2011

    FRIDAY: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Host the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness for a Listening and Action Session on Increasing Inbound Direct Investment in the United States to Help Create Jobs and Grow the Economy

    Secretary Clinton, Acting Secretary Blank to join Jobs Council Members, business leaders to discuss critical importance of US open investment policy and ways to increase inbound direct investment in the United States

    WASHINGTON, DC – On Friday, October 7th, the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness will hold a Listening and Action Session with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Acting Secretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank, GE Chairman Jeff Immelt, CEO of Kodak Antonio Perez, UBS Investment Bank President Robert Wolf as well as business leaders and stakeholders to discuss the critical importance of further strengthening inbound foreign direct investment in the United States. Investments by foreign-based companies as well as increasing domestic investment create well-paid jobs, contribute to economic growth, boost productivity, and support American communities. In June, President Obama signed an executive order creating SelectUSA – the first-ever government-wide initiative to attract and retain U.S. business investment.

    The President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, as part of a series of recommendations to the President to promote private sector job creation, has recommended a heightened focus on continuing to grow foreign direct investment and increase domestic investment as a way to support job creation and encourage economic growth. On Friday, senior Administration officials and Members of the Jobs Council will hear firsthand from business leaders and discuss critical steps we can take to increase investment in the United States.

    FRIDAY, OCTOBER 7th

    President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness Listening and Action Session on Increasing Inbound Direct Investment in the United States to Help Create Jobs and Grow the Economy

    Discussion Participants:

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Acting U.S. Secretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank
    Chairman of GE and President’s Jobs Council Chairman Jeff Immelt
    CEO of Kodak and President’s Jobs Council Member Antonio Perez
    President, UBS Investment Bank and President’s Jobs Council Member Robert Wolf

    These senior Administration officials and Members of the President’s Jobs Council will be joined for the discussion by a diverse group of CEOs, business leaders and stakeholders.

    Time: 10:00AM-11:30AM

    Location: Benjamin Franklin Room
    Department of State
    Washington, DC

    http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-taps-hillary-clintons-popularity-to-help-push-jobs-agenda-2011-10

  151. Kenny Chesney added to list of performers for Bill Clinton concert

    The Salt Lake Tribune
    October 5, 2011

    The William J. Clinton Foundation and Yahoo! today announced Juanes, Kenny Chesney and K’naan join previously announced artists Lady Gaga, The Edge & Bono, and Usher for special performances at “A Decade of Difference: A Concert Celebrating 10 Years of the William J. Clinton Foundation” recognizing the work and impact of President Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

    Millions of people around the world will be able to watch the concert live on Yahoo!, the exclusive live broadcast partner for the concert.

    The live concert will be available at http://clintonconcert.yahoo.com and Yahoo!’s newly launched video destination, Yahoo! Screen (http://screen.yahoo.com). The concert will be featured globally and will be also available afterward on-demand on Yahoo!, with feature highlights and interviews with the Clinton family, the artists and other special guests during and after the live event on October 15. At Yahoo!, viewers will be able to donate to the William J. Clinton Foundation.

    Yahoo! will also be sending fans to the concert in Los Angeles through a sweepstakes. Yahoo! will amplify its impact by donating $1 to the Clinton Foundation for each sweepstakes submission, up to $50,000. For sweepstakes information, ‘Like’ Yahoo! on Facebook and enter by October 7.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsburger/52680786-53/yahoo-clinton-concert-foundation.html.csp

  152. heads are probably exploding over at hill buzz, with Sarah not running he’s probably now going to swing over to Cain’s camp.

  153. Cain has foot-in-mouth disease, and zero foreign policy chops, but to me he’s still better than Romney or Perry.
    If I had my personal druthers for the GOP right now, it would go

    1) Cain
    2)Romney
    3) Perry

    I still think Perry is likely to win, despite his abysmal performance, just because the not-Romney vote will be twitchy as to whether Cain can win, and then there’s the money issue. They may reluctantly go to Perry. But I could be wrong. I picked Perry for the win back before Cain caught fire. Romney’s BIG advantage is that the conservative vote will be split now, with both Perry and Cain in.

    And I think any of the above can beat Obama.

  154. Well this is sad news….Sarah not running…the old boys club has won again….I think the nominee will be Cain…the want a decisive victory by running a black man against a black man…

    Now we will see if a woman will get her foot in the door or not???

    If Hillary is being asked to help out selling that jobs bill to congress and senate…then why isn’t she the VP…isn’t that his job???

  155. H4T,

    I also agree Perry is a racist…he just an arrogant crook….this old racist thing is getting out of hand again…no one even thinks of that now…used too many times…

  156. The thing is while the Repugs are sucking all the air out of the room keeping everyone’s eyes focused on them. Weare coming into a very special time. We have to be aware and vigilant our eyes and ears open to everything going on around us not just the republican candidates poll numbers and the protests. This morning, I heard on the early news, unemployment is the highest it has ever been in more than two years rising an unbelievable 322%… I heard it, looked up at the tv and the numbers were there .. unbelievable as it sounds, over 300% for August. I just tried googling for a blurb reinforcing that fact… and that excerpt/article has been scrubbed from the mainstream. (If I find it later on I will post it.)

    To tell you the truth, it feels like something is going to pop very soon- Obama is DOA. He may not know it, but everyone else around him sees it and may not want to be the bearer of bad news to him. But the news is undeniable when it comes to his re-election. His re-election prospects are less than nil…How will he react to it? Will he just throw his hands up and give up? I don’t see that happening. He has multiple fundraisers planned several days a week throughout October. He is raking in all the money he can with both hands. He doesn’t care about his Jobs Bill anymore discussing or negotiating terms with Congress finding workable solutions.

    The other day talking to a friend, we asked what are the safest investments for now?

    He said: GUNS and GOLD… and that about says it all for the times we are facing. It’s going to get alot worse before it gets better…The only hopeI can see is deposing this dictator and ousting him before the holidays…

    This quote from Yeats keeps running through my consciousness as I’m typing because this is what I am seeing:

    “and what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?”

  157. From The Telegraph (UK), this is a story that bodes poorly for Hillary. As an outsider, I don’t think Hillary should be taking sides in this dispute: Argentina has no claim on the Falklands but proximity, and the Falklands are not very close at that. The Brits are not renting the islands from Argentina as they were doing in Hong Kong. All the residents are Brits and before them there was no one, not even indians.
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    Hillary Clinton should listen to Liam Fox: the Falkands ‘will always be British’

    By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: October 5th, 2011

    Liam Fox: Falklands will always be British (Photo: Getty)

    I hope the US Secretary of State heard the stirring words delivered by the British Defence Secretary today on the future of the Falklands. This is what Liam Fox told the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester to thunderous applause:

    And with the focus on Afghanistan and Libya let’s not forget the Falklands. Next year is the 30th anniversary of the victory for self-determination in the Falklands.

    A victory made possible by the resolve another Conservative Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. And we will continue to guarantee the security of the Falklands.

    However, this is not the 1980s. We are now working towards healthier relations with the Argentinians. But one thing is unchanged; for as long as the people of the Falklands choose to, they are, and will always be, British.

    Liam Fox’s message should be heard loud and clear not only in Buenos Aires, but also in Washington, where the Obama administration has openly sided with Argentina’s populist president Cristina Kirchner in her calls for UN-brokered negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falklands. As I’ve noted in previous pieces, Hillary Clinton has gone out of her way to slap Britain in the face over the issue. As a reminder for Telegraph readers, here is the official transcript released by the State Department of her press conference back in march 2010 with Kirchner in Argentina, where she handed the Peronist regime an astonishing propaganda coup – here are a couple snippets:

    QUESTION: (In Spanish)
    And for the Secretary, it’s about the Falklands. The – President Fernandez talked about possible friendly mediation. Would the U.S. be considered – would the U.S. (inaudible) consider some kind of mediation role between the UK and Argentina over the Falklands? Thank you.

    PRESIDENT DE KIRCHNER: (Via interpreter) (Inaudible) what we have (inaudible) by both countries as a friendly country of both Argentina and the UK, so as to get both countries to sit down at the table and address these negotiations within the framework of the UN resolutions strictly. We do not want to move away from that in any letter whatsoever, any comma, of what has been stated by dozens of UN resolutions and resolutions by its decolonization committee. That’s the only thing we’ve asked for, just to have them sit down at the table and negotiate. I don’t think that’s too much, really, in a very conflicted and controversial world, complex in terms.

    SECRETARY CLINTON: And we agree. We would like to see Argentina and the United Kingdom sit down and resolve the issues between them across the table in a peaceful, productive way.

    And another:

    QUESTION: (In Spanish)
    Interpreter: The journalist was just asking how the U.S. intends to negotiate to get the United Kingdom to sit at the table and address the Malvinas issue.

    SECRETARY CLINTON: As to the first point, we want very much to encourage both countries to sit down. Now, we cannot make either one do so, but we think it is the right way to proceed. So we will be saying this publicly, as I have been, and we will continue to encourage exactly the kind of discussion across the table that needs to take place.

    Since then, Clinton and her administration have done all they can to undermine the British position over the Falklands, actively backing Organisation of American States declarations and resolutions in June 2010 and June 2011 calling for Argentina and Great Britain to enter into negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falklands, a position which is completely unacceptable to the UK. In doing so she has sided with an array of anti-American regimes including Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela, and Daniel Ortega’s Nicaragua. The State Department has also referred to the Falklands as the Malvinas, the Argentine name for them.

    Washington’s official position on the Falklands has been an insult to America’s closest friend and ally, and has served only to encourage Argentina’s growing aggression and sabre-rattling over the past 18 months. As Liam Fox stated today, London is fully prepared to use force again to defend the Falklands in the face of any attempt by Argentina to re-take them. The Obama administration should realise that Britain will never negotiate away the freedom of its own people in the Falklands, and that its foolhardy backing for Argentina’s reckless position is damaging to the Special Relationship. And Mrs Clinton should also remember the powerful words of Lady Thatcher, who famously declared to the House of Commons in April 1982:

    The people of the Falkland Islands, like the people of the United Kingdom, are an island race. Their way of life is British; their allegiance is to the Crown. They are few in number, but they have the right to live in peace, to choose their own way of life and to determine their own allegiance. It is the wish of the British people and the duty of Her Majesty’s Government to do everything that we can to uphold that right. That will be our hope and our Endeavour and, I believe, the resolve of every Member of the House.
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    And here’s one of the comments to the above article, very unflattering for Hillary:

    The degree to which we should attach any importance to what Clinton says on any foreign policy is now about zero. She has declared she will not run for President and it is also apparent Obama is now a one term President.
    Clinton has failed in a spectacular fashion to have ANY effect anywhere in the world for American foreign policy. She is persona non grata in the Middle East, the israelis hate her and won’t have her visit, the North Koreans won’t have her visit, the Chinese told her to get on her bike and so we like the rest of the world watch Hilary’s rear end get bigger by the day as she files her nails.

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