Sexist, Misogynist, Flim-Flam Man, Treacherous Corrupt Boob – Narrative From Big Pink Hits Big Media Big Time, Part II – On Republican Debate Night

We’re not writing this quick survey of Big Pink “memes” to chest thump or put laurels on our heads. This review is a big batch of warnings from people who know Obama for what he is. Take heed, take heed.

Tonight the announced Republican candidates for president will debate and we will discuss the debate in our comments section. The Republican Debate will begin at 9:00 p.m. ET. The Republican Debate will be in cooperation with Google and will take place in Florida. Fox News will televise tonight’s Republican Debate.

Libertarian Republican Gary Johnson will be on the stage for the first time presumably to try and siphon support from the persistently popular Libertarian Republican Ron Paul. Bachmann and Romney will continue to try to topple Rick Perry who remains strong in Florida even with his Social Security as a Ponzi scheme remarks.

But take heed Republicans: you have to attack Barack Obama on policy and on “personal” issues. Barack Obama must be exposed for the corrupt character he is.

Many smart Republican strategists have declared that Obama must only be opposed on policy grounds and warn that attacks on Obama will backfire (ditto Willard Romney saying “Obama is a nice guy”). They are wrong. Barack Obama is now disliked by a majority of the population according to the latest New York Times poll. Obama must be attacked on his history and corrupt character as well as policy.

Barack Obama’s entire career has been built upon personal attacks against his opponents. Barack Obama will do so again. Be assured, Barack Obama has already hired investigators to go through the personal lives of Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, Willard Romney, and Chris Christie. Barack Obama will attack whoever the Republican candidate is with fears and smears. The fears and smears will be deployed against anyone who opposes him in a primary as well.

We are not suggesting that the personal attacks be trivial. We have a lot of fun poking Michelle Obama for her Chewbacca/Pep Boys Automotive Parts fashion choices, her sleeve yanking manic episodes (see here for how even our humor is on target), and her Mary Todd style extravagances in a nation that is hurting.

We are strongly suggesting that Barack Obama’s corruptions, kept hidden by JournoListers in 2008 be brought into the light of day in 2011/2012.

Indicted slumlord Antoin Rezko with long-time friend and financial investment Barack Obama

For instance in 2007 we began to ask “Who Is This Guy?” We tried and failed to generate interest in a New York Times story about Barack and Michelle Obama’s financial interests at a time in which if Hillary Clinton’s campaign mistakenly failed to tip a waitress it became front page news.

We discussed Obama’s investments in pharmaceutical companies (isn’t it strange that during the years long debate about Obama’s health plan scam this investment was never discussed by Big Media?) in that article. We had previously discussed other Obama dirty deals and friends. We did not leave out Michelle Obama from our questions.

In the article in which we discussed Obama’s pharmaceutical investments, we also discussed Obama’s investments in a company called Skyterra. Ancient history right? Wrong.

Skyterror, er, Skyterra now has a new name. Skyterra is now called LightSquared.

LightSquared is only one of the prom night dumpster babies crawling from the JournoLister dumpster and into the light. Skyterra, er, LightSquared is only one of the latest Obama scandals.

The Crawdads and Ace are onto this scandal. Calling Obama corrupt is not just a meme, it’s the truth. A truth trying to rise which will not be crushed to earth or a dumpster.

In Part I of this series, we promised to discuss the sexism and misogyny so vividly displayed by Barack Obama and his henchmen in the new book “Confidence Men.” In 2009 we continued to speak up about the betrayal of Israel by certain Jews, the betrayal of Gay Americans by “mainline gay groups” and the betrayal of women by “mainline women groups”:

“Women have also been betrayed by mainline allegedly “women groups”. The misogyny and sexism are rampant but mainline women groups are useless.”

Black Americans have been betrayed by mainline black groups too. Recently the Congressional Black Caucus announced that if a Bill Clinton presided over this White House, blacks would have marched on the White House (no doubt shouting “racist”). But mainline black groups have betrayed blacks in this country.

The reason why mainline black groups have betrayed blacks, mainline women’s groups have betrayed women, mainline Gay groups have betrayed Gays, and to a much lesser extent Jewish mainline groups have betrayed Jews is because the corrupt leaders of these groups want to protect tarnished calf Barack Obama. Gloria Steinem and women “leaders” raising money for sexist and misogynist Barack Obama is as nauseating as John Lewis protecting Barack Obama and flinging blacks into the abyss.

It’s not only women “leaders” who protect Barack Obama and deny the truth. Mika Brzezinski of Morning Joe is a repulsive creature. Upset with the truth, Brzezinski sought to protect sexist/misogynist Barack Obama:

The excuse for many of these Obama lovin’ sycophants is that the sexism and misogyny was a feature of the “early Obama White House.” But Obama has always surrounded himself with frat boys who drip hatred of women.

Yeah, right, “the early Obama White House” even though JournoListers assured us in 2007/2008 that Obama was not a sexist:

“Friction about the roles of women in the Obama White House grew so intense during the first two years of the president’s tenure that he was forced to take steps to reassure senior women on his staff that he valued their presence and their input.

At a dinner in November 2009, several senior female aides complained directly to the president that men enjoyed greater access to him and often muscled them out of key policy discussions.

Those tensions prompted Obama, urged on by senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, to elevate more women into senior White House positions, recognize them more during staff meetings and increase the female presence in the upper ranks of the reelection campaign. “There were some issues early on with women feeling as though they hadn’t figured out what their role was going to be on the senior team at the White House,” Jarrett said in an interview Monday. “Most of the women hadn’t worked on the campaign, and so they didn’t have a personal relationship with the president.”

The women’s-inclusion issue in the Obama White House is featured prominently in a controversial new book to be released Tuesday, “Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington and the Education of a President,” by journalist Ron Suskind.”

“The acknowledgment Monday by White House officials of discontent among high-level female staffers in the early days came even as Obama aides tried to paint the Suskind book as inaccurate. [snip]

One of the most striking quotes in the book came from former White House communications director Anita Dunn , who was quoted as saying that, “this place would be in court for a hostile workplace. . . . Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”

Anita Dunn argued the “classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women” and her husband was White House Legal Counsel Bob Bauer– so the legal analysis has bite.

Dunn denied she said what she said to Valerie Jarrett but then her cover up lies were exposed when it emerged that Ron Suskind provided a tape recording which confirmed he wrote the truth. Christina Romer, the chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers had truth to tell too and instead of protecting women, Romer protects sexist/misogynist Barack Obama:

“Romer is quoted by Suskind saying, after being excluded by Summers at a meeting, “I felt like a piece of meat.”

On Friday, Romer offered a softer denial than Dunn, saying, “I can’t imagine that I ever said this.” [snip]

In the book, Romer is portrayed as speaking up for herself. At one point, Suskind quotes her telling the president that if he empowers Emanuel and Summers, “you’re responsible for their actions.”

Obama is a sexist pig:

“The complaints began circulating early in the administration. [snip]

According to another official, the president initially discounted the complaints he heard that women, particularly on his economic team, were making. He saw the tough climate as just that — the intense atmosphere of a White House, fostered by competitive people at the top of their game.

But as tensions between Romer and Summers, in particular, escalated, Jarrett counseled Obama to give the issue its due. [snip]

Obama convened the dinner with women on staff. It took place in the White House residence on the night of Nov. 5, 2009 — just hours after a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Tex., dominated the president’s attention.

An official White House photo depicts Obama, his hand on his chin, listening intently as the women sit with serious expressions.

“I really want you guys to talk to me about this openly because recently there has been this suggestion that there are some issues here,” Obama said, according to Suskind’s account of the session. “I’d like to know how you guys feel.”

At least he did not call them “sweetie”. Disgusting “leaders” of women’s groups reacted with quick protection of women Barack Obama:

“On Monday, the leaders of two women’s advocacy groups, the Feminist Majority and the National Organization for Women, said in interviews that they believed Obama was running an inclusive White House.”

Mainline women groups have betrayed women and stayed silent. Only New Agenda came to the defense of women. Sarah Palin, like Hillary Clinton, knows these groups are shills for Barack Obama.

Obama is also a boob. Obama’s top economic advisers know Obama is a boob:

“Orszag told Suskind, according to the book: “Larry just didn’t think the president knew what he was deciding.”

Meeting over dinner at the Bombay Club one night, Summers told Orszag that “we’re really home alone,” according to the book. “I mean it,” Summers said. “We’re home alone. There’s no adult in charge. Clinton would never have made these mistakes.”

Boobery is not a hallmark only of the “early” Obama White House. Today’s Obama speech wherein he pitched a shovel unready bridge that won’t benefit from the jobs bill is another display of boobery rampant. The man is a boob.

Obama does not know what he is doing and what he does hurts Americans. Voters in Ohio who will be paying 55% to 85% more in medical insurance know Obama is a corrupt treacherous boob.

* * * * * *

Barack Obama is a Sexist, Misogynist, Flim-Flam Man, and a Treacherous Corrupt Boob. As Lil Ole Grape reminds us our “supermeme” of all our memes is our catechism, our mantra.

We began in January 2008 to state that Obama’s “judgment” cannot be trusted. By June of 2008 our mantra was set but not official:

“Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

On July 8, 2008 it became official:

“Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

It’s still NObama NOvember for Big Pink. We will never accept a Sexist, Misogynist, Flim-Flam Man, Treacherous Corrupt Boob.


549 thoughts on “Sexist, Misogynist, Flim-Flam Man, Treacherous Corrupt Boob – Narrative From Big Pink Hits Big Media Big Time, Part II – On Republican Debate Night

  1. We thought Perry did well for himself in the last debate. Many disagreed with us. But Perry’s poll numbers went up in Florida (though he slumped nationwide). Perry got beaten up in Big Media and in some very smart quarters. We still think he did well for himself.

    We’ll soon see how he does tonight.

  2. Admin: “On July 8, 2008 it became official:

    “Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”
    Heh-heh — July 8 is my birthday

  3. First question from small business owner asking for advice in running a successful business.

    Perry: lower tax rates that are fair and predicable. Stop trial lawyers and frivolous lawsuits. Business should be rewarded for risking capital.

    Baier: Where is your jobs plan, people want specifics?

    Perry: It will be here soon. Texas was #1 state for people moving in.

    Baier to Willard: Your plan has been called timid and predictable. Also the charge made you are afraid of Obama class warfare.

    Willard: I’m a private businessman. Tax rates must be competitive at a global level. Become energy secure. Smart trade policies especially with regard to China. The Obama economy hurts, cut taxes.

    Baier: At what level is “rich”?

    Willard: I want everyone to be rich. Provide opportunity for all.

  4. mcnorman
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm
    BTW, where is that Rashad Khalidi tape that the LA Times promised once the election was over?

    Been wondering that myself.

  5. The trial lawyers hate Perry. Torte reform made it very difficult to chase ambulances. I work in the medical field. They despise him.

  6. Kelly to Bachmann: How much do taxpayers deserve to keep from their paychecks?

    Bachmann: It’s all your money.

    Kelly Question: Do you support right to work laws?

    Santorum: Unions bad.

    Kelly Question: would you extend unemployment insurance?

    Newt: Should be tied to a training program. Invest in human capital. Fundamentally wrong to give money for nothing.

    Wallace Question: You gave tax credits for energy companies. How is that different from Solyndra?

    Huntsman: Too few jobs, too few opportunities. We need a bridge product. Today the economics don’t work. We need natural gas.

    Wallace: Your 9-9-9 plan does not work?

    Cain: This economy is on life support. 9 9 9 works. To Romney: [your] That dog won’t hunt.

    Romney: My plan will work.

    Wallace: How to restore 10th Amendment and enumerated powers?

    Paul: Veto every bill that violates the Constitution.

  7. Admin. I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciate Hillary is 44. Thanks for the exhaustive research and the brilliant analysis. Your insight is uncanny; your writing is sharp and clear and reminds me of Whitman’s observation about the great American blogger, viz., that “s/he can make every word s/he speaks draw blood.”

  8. Baier: Why are you better for Libertarians than Ron Paul?

    Johnson: I started my 1000 employee business. I was governor of New Mexico. I balanced budgets. I vetoed more bills than all the other governors in the country combined. Dump all taxes for a consumption tax flat tax.


  9. Well that was dull. The Fox News moderators are being fair to everybody and not just focusing on Perry and Romney. We were naughty by using “Willard” instead of Mitt.

  10. I realize that the doorbell sound was making the dogs bark, but now it sounds like all the candidates just got mail.

  11. Okay, when these people crank out silly answers, I just want to make catty comments.

    Let’s hear some intelligent plans and stop the talking points of bs.

  12. Shadowfax, Perry is just being Perry. He’s always had that swagger. I’m sure he did the same thing back on the farm milking cows. hahaha

  13. Everyone is playing it safe so far tonight. Well, except Ron Paul and the Johnson guy, but libertarians are a lot less looney when talking the basic economy. They only get real nutso when it comes to other stuff.

  14. We were naughty by using “Willard” instead of Mitt.

    Any name that works admin, Personally I prefer Wilber.

  15. admin I have been around since long before Johnson made his entrance. He really didn’t help NM much. If anything, he paved the way for Richardson’s daliences.

  16. Kelly: How can 50 Social Security systems work, as Romney has charged?

    Perry: Those on the current system should not worry. Mitt’s been wrong before. Having the option makes sense.

    Kelly: You satisfied with that?

    Romney: You are changing positions. In your book you said SS was unconstitutional. SS is and should be a federal program. We need to make SS stable for the next 75 years.

    Perry: Speaking of books. Your economic advisor said Romneycare is Obamacare. You said the same thing in your book. So get it straight.


    Romney: I said no such thing. We were talking about SS not health care. You are retreating from your own words.

    Kelly: Bachman calls Obama socialist. Same for Perry and Newt. Do you agree?

    Romney: The title I want to hear is “former” president Obama. Obama takes his inspiration from European socialists. I believe in freedom and capitalism. Government is too big. Rein in scale of government.

    Kelly: 66% of Americans agree with Obama and want to raise tax hike on millionaires.

    Huntsman: We need to grow. This is not the time for tax hikes. I have a Wall Street Journal endorsed program on tax rates.

    Question: What one department would you eliminate from the government?

    Cain: EPA is out of control. They want to regulate dust. My SS solution is the Chilean model and it works – personal savings accounts.

  17. I like Cain. I don’t think he’ll be president, and don’t think I’d want him to be, but I can’t help but like him. Because I think he is exactly who he says he is: average Joe business guy who really wants to fix stuff in practical ways.

  18. The YouTube questions are far better than the questions that come from the moderators. Yes, HillaryforTexas Cain sounds genuine.

  19. Kelly: We borrow so much of every dollar spent. How can we balance budget?

    Newt: The way you describe the problem we can’t. I will submit a new “contract for America” next week. Zero jobs from Obama in August.

    Question: What about overreach by government into classroom?

    Johnson: Balanced budget (43% reduction in federal spending) and will get rid of Education Department.

    Santorum: Federal government intrusion does not help. It’s up to parents.

    Newt: Profound reform at state level. Shrink Education department. Pell grants for K-12 so parents can decide on their schools.

    Paul: Get the federal government out of education. Stop No Child Left Behind. Give tax credits for parents to send kids to private schools.

    Perry: Charter schools. Romney is for Obama’s “Race to the Top.” That is not conservative.

    Romney: Nice try. Education is for state and local level. Smaller class size does not matter. Get good teachers instead.

    Baier: What about Perry’s charge?

    Romney: I think Arne Duncan is right about getting good teachers.

    Bachmann: I’m a mom of 5 and many foster children. Repeal federal education law. Get rid of Education department.

    Cain: No strings should be allowed to stand on federal programs.

    Huntsman: Competitiveness depends on good education. I signed a voucher plan in Utah. No unfunded mandates.

  20. Mittens is not right about the UT tuition cost. I know, I paid it. The voucher program has been in Texas since the eighties under different labels.

  21. I totally agree with Republicans about closing the darn border and no freebies for college while American parents can’t afford to send their kids to that college.

  22. Wallace: Should states be able to enforce immigration laws and how to explain away constitutional restraints?

    Bachmann: Federal government is not doing the job and that’s why states want authority. I would build fence and enforce the law. I would not allow taxpayer funded benefits for illegal aliens.

    Wallace: Should employers be forced to use e-verify to stop illegal immigration? (some Tea Party activists are against this as forcing employers to do the governments job).

    Newt We should outsource e-verify because private companies are more efficient. We must control the border, English as official language, fix legal immigration.

    Wallace: You vetoed in state tuition for illegal immigrants, Perry signed the bill in Texas?

    Romney: It’s $22,000 a year discount. Legal citizens have to pay much more. It’s a magnet for illegal immigration. We need fence, e-verify, and turn off the magnet of discounts.

    Wallace: Have you tried to stop illegal immigration? 16,000 illegals benefited by your in-state tuition program?

    Perry: No one here works on border security more than me. Texas has paid more that $400 million to stop illegal immigration. We need to education these children or they will drag down our economy. There were only 4 dissenting votes in the Texas legislature.

    Big audience boos.

    Wallace: Is Perry soft on illegal immigration?

    Santorum: Most folks have to pay full price. Why should illegals be given preferential treatment? [Audience cheers] Perry wanted bi-national health insurance too.

    Perry: Have you ever even been to the Mexico border? The fence does not make sense. We need boots on the ground. The federal government has not put in sufficient effort.

    Much cross talk with Santorum and Perry.

  23. Wallace: Quotes Paul saying a Mexico fence keeps Americans in.

    Paul: It starts with capital control then ends with people control. The databanks for these programs would include Americans. We need to tax their benefits.

    [a virtual commercial for Google] BREAK

  24. As hard as they try to paint Paul as a wackjob, he always comes back with an intelligent answer, even if you don’t agree with him.

  25. What Romney and the others aren’t saying is that the universities love garnering all that federal money. They are the ones who push giving them the money. It sounds crazy, but they salivate over enrollment.

  26. Shadowfax, it was not freebie college or even subsidized college. It was allowing kids who had gone to high school and likely spent most of their lives living right here in TX to pay the same tuition as any other TX resident. One of the many requirements besides long-term residency was that they had to apply for and be working toward US citizenship.

    I honestly don’t think that in-state tuition is a huge magnet for illegals coming over. I do think that the easy welfare and foodstamp and medicaid benefits are, as well as the whole anchor baby thing.

    I have a big problem with taxpayer dollars going to feed and support and provide for illegal immigrants. But I don’t have a big problem with kids who got brought here, and have lived in TX for years, to be allowed to PAY the same tuition as my kid pays. That’s not money out of anyone’s pocket.

  27. One thing I know….is that I’m not voting for another Cowboy from Texas…and no one is talking me into it….I can’t stand Perry! For heaven’s sake he’s was an Aggie Cheerleader…just like GWB…too many coincidences….

    I’ll try to get that thing in about how medicare/medicaid is going to deny payments to the hospital emergency rooms if the reason the patient came in is not a true emergency….Well that all fine and good, but the hospitals are going to be left holding the bag for all these, ear aches, constipation, coughs, colds, cramps, headaches and mosquito bites….people are still going to come in….they need to change the law so we can triage them and tell them they can go see their Dr. in the morning and not get sued….otherwise…all these little hospitals will close! I got this from way up in administration! Its a law we have to see each and everyone that comes in…whether they are really sick or just want a Dr.s note because they didn’t go to work…or they need a morphine fix.

  28. Question: Israel?

    Romney: We should not allow any space between us and Israel. Obama went on a world wide apology tour. Obama threw Israel under the bus in public. Arguments between allies should be kept private. I will defend Israel. “It is unacceptable for Iran to become a nuclear nation.”

    Cain: Peace through strength and clarity. I was in Israel last week. Israel will defend itself. Israel is not sure about Obama. “If you mess with Israel you mess with America.” If Obama was clear the Palestinians would not have fooled with this resolution.

    Baier: If you got a 3 a.m. call that Pakistan had lost control of nukes?

    Perry: Stand with India. Our allies need to understand we stand with them.

    Baier: If security situation failed in Iraq would you send in troops?

    Santorum: I’m not for getting them out.

  29. DECKER: Hillary Clinton’s last chance
    Obama is vulnerable to a 2012 primary challenge

    Thursday, September 22, 2011

    The debate in Orlando Thursday night put the spotlight on Republican contenders for president. However, there is another primary race developing behind the scenes that promises to be even more interesting: a rematch between Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Mrs. Clinton would be the stronger candidate in 2012 and is much more likely to keep the White House in Democratic hands.

    President Obama is damaged goods. Polling data released by Gallup last week show a shocking 88 percent of Americans believe the country is heading in the wrong direction. Flip that number around and it means a tiny 12 percent are happy with the way things are going under the Obama administration. That’s outside the margin of error but definitely within the margin of stupidity. Numbers so low forewarn of almost certain doom for an incumbent.

    Liberal desperation today is reminiscent of 1976 when a flailing Jimmy Carter was bloodied in a fierce primary challenge by Massachusetts Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. Commentators like to compare a potential 2012 Clinton-Obama primary competition to that Kennedy-Carter showdown and sometimes point out that both challengers were marked by scandal in previous years. It’s a poor comparison. The so-called “Lion of the Left” was definitely damaged goods after a drunk Teddy drove his car off a bridge in 1969, killing 28-year-old passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Mrs. Clinton was at the center of quite a few scandals when her husband Bill was president but that was a long time ago, and she’s made an impressive political name for herself since as a New York senator and Cabinet member. The disgrace most remember about President Clinton was that he was a serial adulterer, but that – if anything – generates sympathy for the mistreated-yet-loyal Mrs. Clinton.

    Barack should be worried because Hillary would be a formidable opponent. She’s smart and talented and can be a skilled campaigner on the stump. She’s also willing to put on a moderate false face to appeal to a broader electorate than the left-wing Democratic base. In Iowa in 2008, she praised tax cuts and even soft-pedaled her pro-abortion stance. Defectors are dangerous because they level criticism from the inside. Mrs. Clinton can say honestly that she worked hard to support this president in one of the most important posts in his Cabinet but knows from experience how incompetent and what a poor leader Mr. Obama is. It’s a compelling narrative that could win over unemployed union workers and former Reagan Democrats who are hesitant to vote for an elephant but are disgusted by how Mr. Obama has gutted the U.S. economy.

    It’s now or never if Hillary wants to be president. If the GOP beats Mr. Obama next year and holds the White House for eight years, she would be 73 years old when the 2020 election rolls around. The 2012 race is Mrs. Clinton’s last chance to be part of an historic husband-wife presidential duo.

  30. confloyd, you may not have to not vote for Perry, because he is sucking ass tonight. Looks terrible, sounds terrible.

    Mittens will get a bump in the polls after tonight, and possibly Newt. Not because Mittens has been great, but because Perry looked so bad.

  31. Family reunion as Clinton Global Initiative closes

    By DEEPTI HAJELA, Associated Press – 4 hours ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — A family reunion closed out the Clinton Global Initiative in New York City on Thursday, as former President Bill Clinton turned the stage over to his wife, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, for her thoughts on a range of global issues. Her interviewer? Their daughter, Chelsea Clinton.

    The youngest Clinton asked her mother about issues ranging from technology to the world’s food needs. Along the way, she let the audience know that she helped her mother send her first text message and that her father still referred to the Internet as the World Wide Web.

    Hillary Clinton told the audience of world leaders, celebrities, business people, philanthropists and non-governmental organizations that “we really are in a new age, we’re in the age of participation.”

    She said the challenge was for governments and other organizations to figure out how to be responsive to people as they make their voices heard, “how to help catalyze, unleash, channel the kind of participatory eagerness that is there.”

    “I want to see us moving toward a world where we do try to maximize the God-given potential of every person,” Hillary Clinton said.

    The initiative, in its seventh year, brings together government and the private sector to figure out ways to address the world’s pressing issues. It takes place at the same time as the United Nations General Assembly ministerial meetings on the other side of Manhattan.

    Attendees commit to taking action on the conference topics, which have included climate change, poverty and women’s issues. Among the speakers at this year’s event was the secretary of state’s boss, President Barack Obama.

    The former president concluded the session by saying the modern world required humanity to figure out a different way of being, of moving away from the current struggles for power that involve trying to gain control over other people’s lives and resources.

    “If we are too successful in the struggle for wealth and power, we will be too successful in robbing people of their dignity, and we will pay a terrible price,” he said.

    Clinton said he was optimistic, though, after hearing from everyone during the conference, and he urged people not to be pessimistic.

    Referring to surveys that say young people are discouraged about the state of the world, he said it was important to understand that the choices made in the present shape what the globe will look like.

    “You should be grateful that you’re living in a time when you’ve been given a chance to build a new world,” he said. “The uncertainties of the moment don’t have to exist 10 years from now.”

  32. Question: Why give money to countries that hate us?

    Newt: I would have an investment approach. Countries that vote consistently against U.S. in the U.N. should not get money. On Pakistan: the world is going to get much more dangerous.

    Baier: Charter flights from U.S. to Cuba have resumed?

    Johnson: 43% reduction in military spending. Military alliances are the key. With regards to Cuba I think trade brings friendship. I support those flights.

    Bachmann: I want to weigh in on this. Cuba is a state sponsor of terror.

    Huntsman: I want to respond to Santorum. I have foreign policy experience unlike anyone else here. We don’t promote the U.S. enough. People are ready to bring the troops home from Iraq, Rick.

    Santorum: Just because our economy is sick does not mean America is sick. Obama is fighting in Afghanistan with one hand tied behind our backs. Playing politics with our military.

    Huntsman: Only Afghanistan can save Afghanistan.

  33. Well if Mittens or Newt…I’ll vote for either of those before I would vote for dumbo….but if they give me Rick…I’ll be voting for Odumbo and hoping he lets Hillary run the economy the next 4 years….and then he and sleevesless can go on vacation…LOL!

  34. I actually like Newt’s answer on this. Why the fuck should we be sending billions in aid to countries that regularly and publicly denigrate us and vote against us? There may be a few you could justify, but certainly not all of them.

    I also like Newt’s point that the USA is not the same economic power it was in the 1950’s. What was not a big deal for us to do then is hurting us at home now.

  35. Kelly: Is there a limit to government’s ability to limit religion in the public square?

    Bachmann: Jefferson is my inspiration. We believe in religious freedom that does not mean that people of faith should not be allowed in the public square.

    Question: Gay soldier. Would you circumvent gays from serving?

    Santorum: That is injecting social policy into the military. Gays in military interfere with the military mission. I would re-institute Don’s Ask Don’t Tell.

    Kelly: If you believe in innocent life how can you support rape exceptions for abortions and the morning after pill?

    Paul: This is not a national policy matter. The morning after pill cannot be policed.

    Kelly: What other differences between you and Bush and is there bad blood?

    Perry: We have a great rapport. I called him on his birthday. We have differed in style and substance on Medicare Part D and I was against No Child Left Behind. The Feds have no business telling states how to educate our children.

    Wallace: You survived stage 4 liver cancer. You said if Obamacare had been in effect you would be dead now?

    Cain: My cancer was detected in March 2006. I was able to get all the tests and opinions and treatment in the span of 9 months. Under Obamacare my treatment would have been delayed. Time was of the essence. I only had a 30% chance of survival 5 years ago.

  36. Cain is not that well-versed on some issues, because of the fact that he REALLY IS just an average guy, not a lifelong politician. But he has a lot of smarts and common sense and good instincts for what is practical, and seems to learn and bone up fast on stuff he’s been shaky on before.

    Again, not sure I want him as president, but I really like him. I’d be okay with him getting the nomination, but doubt he will.

    Newt is a smart, smart, smart man, but he goes off the rails if you ever cross his ego. And he has a HUGE ego. That’s a big red flag for a leader, for me.

  37. Hiillay4Tx

    CA has the same problem with illegals and the Dream Act…I am completely against it. CA is broke and I don’t want to make it easy for illegals when legal kids are dropping out of college and unemployed with this Obama economy. When times are good, I feel a little more generous. I do want the borders closed….forever, just like other countries.

  38. Wallace: You say Obamacare is a time bomb. Would you repeal Obamacare even though it kills people like me (a student on his parents policy)?

    Huntsman: My daughter has juvenile diabetes. Obamacare is a trillion dollar bomb. It has gummed up our system. Let the states experiment. That’s what we did in Utah. We need affordable health care for young people. We need cost containment measures.

    Wallace: HPV vaccine. You said it is potentially a very dangerous drug. Doctors disagree?

    Bachmann: I did not make that claim. I reported what a mother said to me. Perry mandated girls get the HPV vaccine. The HPV company have give money.

    Perry: I was lobbied on this issue by a girl with stage 4. I erred on the side of life.

    Wallace: Texas has most uninsured, the feds treat Texas the same as all even though you said it was the Feds fault. Isn’t Texas to blame?

    Perry: The Feds have prevented us from instituting waivers. You are wrong. Each state should decide. Not once size fits all.

    Wallace: Perry said Republicans should not endorse “Obama lite”?

    Romney: I don’t know what he is talking about. The Massachusetts plan is different from Obamacare. I will executive order waivers to all states.

    Perry: Which Mitt Romney are we dealing with? Second Amendment, standing up for Roe v. Wade, for race to the top, for obamacare?

    Romney: Nice try. I wrote a book two years ago. I am a conservative businessman. You wrote a book 6 months ago and you are retreating. You said SS is a failure. Those are your positions. One reason to elect me is I know what I stand for.

  39. Break.

    Romney did well with that last exchange until he said he knows what he stands for.

    Perry is not doing well tonight.

  40. We sure don’t need another egomaniac in there…but all the Catholics will vote for Newt…

    Some how, some way….Hillary has to be the next President! Obama has to do an LBJ!

  41. Sarah is sure being smart not announcing her candidacy until later…she doesn’t have to deal with all this bickering….I’m still hoping for a Palin vs. Clinton….it would be fun to watch.

  42. Yes, BO leaving on his own..but we need to help him write a CREDIBLE excuse.

    Who’s going to believe that he is quitting because he wants to spend more time with his family…ME-CHELLE. Now who in their right mind would believe that one.

  43. I understand, Shadowfax. I just don’t think the tuition thing is the biggest part of the problem, is all. But I hear some say that his position on that makes Perry a “total open-borders proponent”, which is just silly.

    Me, I think we need to secure the damn border FIRST. Then we can argue over what’s to be done about those already here.

  44. Baier: How are you going to turn this country around?

    Huntsman: 15 million unemployed, 15 million more given up. Tax reform, regulatory reform, energy reform.

    Cain: Americans want leadership.

    Bachmann: Reach for the brass ring of liberty. UBS says Obamacare is killing hiring.

    Romney: We are a patriotic people. We need a leader who inspires. I’ll do it.

    Perry: Americans want a leader with a proven job creation record. Lower tax rates, energy independence will get America working again.

    Paul: Government destroys jobs. For 20 years I have been warning about housing bubbles etc. You have to deal with free markets. The people will create the jobs not the government.

    Newt: 32 years ago we had the same problem who spoke about malaise. Getting rid of Obama will make America recover.

    Santorum: We have a president that does not understand what America is about.

    Johnson: My neighbor’s two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs that Obama. Balance the budget now, not in 20 years. Replace the tax system with a fair tax, consumption tax.


  45. Southern Born
    September 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    Yes, BO leaving on his own..but we need to help him write a CREDIBLE excuse.
    He doesn’t need much of reason to quit – I wish I had kept count of how many times he has said he would be satisfied to be a one-term prez. He could say it’s really all he ever wanted … that he has other interests, now — whatever! – or how about “So long, suckers — it’s been a great ride and thanks for the trip!”

  46. Question: Anyone on stage for a running mate?

    Johnson: Paul. This country is about liberty and freedom. Monetary crisis is coming. Same as Russia.

    Santorum: Newt.

    Newt: No idea. Someone capable.

    Paul: No choice tonight. I’m in third place nationally in the polls. When I am one of the top 2 I will decide.

    Perry: Mash Cain with Newt.

    Romney: Hard image to get out of my mind. I will give a lot of thought to the question. All will be better than Obama.

    Baier: Didn’t you call Perry unelectable?

    Romney: I did not say that. We all agree Obama has to be a former.

    Bachmann: Strong constitutional conservative. Conservatives should not settle. Obama approval will soon be even lower.

    Cain: If Romney throws out his job plan and replaces it with 9 9 9 he would get the job. If not, Newt.

    Huntsman: Romney and Perry won’t be around because they will bludgeon each other. Cain, because he has good ties and I like 9 9 9.


  47. Yep Cain is funny, but did you all notice no one picked the girl….the good ole boys club at work again…

    Newt hit it out of the park with that “the economy will recover once Obama is out of the Whitehouse”….that’s was funny!

    I like Johnson and Huntsman!

  48. Can anyone recommend a good source on “Fair Tax”. How does it differ from a VAT? Will the retailer be paying 9% passing that on to the customer and then the consumer paying tax on tax like with alcohol and tobacco.

  49. This debate changed nothing for me save my opinion of Santorem. Doubt I’d vote for him but I liked several of his answers enough that I will explore more of his positions. he fumbled with the openly gay man serving. he said it was about sex. No sir it is not. The US armed forces are not now a 70’s bath house in the Castro. Means that a person can serve the country not service each other. He equated the equal opportunity to serve with sex.
    That being said I liked what he said about schools.

  50. Perry may have sunk himself with R voters tonight. Unless Newt or Cain can get some traction, or Sarah gets in, we are likely looking at Mittens getting the nomination. Perry may redeem himself later, but he did a LOT of damage to himself tonight.

  51. I’m cruising the R blogs, and most are saying they wish they could cut up bits and pieces of the candidates and meld them together. No one is thrilled with any of them, but will vote for any of them to beat Obama if they have to.

  52. confloyd, I like the whole fair tax idea too. No loopholes, everyone pays, and you get rid of ALL other taxes including payroll, FICA, etc.

    Can you imagine having your ENTIRE paycheck with no withholding at all?

  53. I did not like the who will be VP question. VP is chosen on delivering votes. If FOX had to go there I’d have preferred that they asked who would you want from this panel, choose three, that you would consider an asset to your administration and why. Would still be a stupid fluff question but at least it could showcase executive/management skills. The question reminds me of my days as a NYC waiter when we were bored we’d play with a gun to your head you have to sleep with one of the customers. Sophomoric at best and we were young actors not vying to head up the most powerful enterprise on the planet. Be warned though the next time someone not your server walks by your table and gives your date a more than casual glance– it’s probably not flirtation but part of a dumb game(which has caused many a fight amongst diners)

  54. Feel the need to comment on the Warren video that has made her into a bit of a hero on the progressive side.
    I know people who pull in a million a year and they are paying a whole lot of taxes. In total(state, local, federal, fica, property, school) several hundred thousand dollars a year. Others pay zero. When you work and bust your ass to own something shouldn’t those years of sacrifice amount to something? i am talking small business not conglomerates. yes she is right the roads were built- the employees educated which enabled success but if she wants to say it is a shared responsibility then everyone must pay. Asking hard-working self made persons to bear a cost for what they had nothing to do with is already a cost. Everyone pays tax. No one is exempt. No deductions. No earned income credit no getting a three thousand dollar return on having paid zero in federal taxes. Provide those in need with a safety net, but let every working person pay tax and no refunds.

  55. henry,
    I agree with you about that Earned Income Tax Credit…I’ve seen so many folks cashing those checks and buying drugs with that money or stupid stuff…not using for its intended purpose…it makes me ill to think of it.
    My daughter got that but she bought stuff she needed like washer/dryer….beds for her children…there are so many who abuse it…its ridiculous…the more kids you have the more money you get…

    I certainly never qualified for it when my kids were young and there was 25% unemployment in our little area and that was before I went to college….we didn’t qualify because we built our own house and owned it lock stock and barrel…We were considered affluent by welfare standards, but when everyone else was out buying new cars….my husband and I bought 2×4’s and built it from the slab up…that’s why/how I managed to go to college during the downturn of the economy…and of coarse my grades were high enough to qualify for schlorships…if people used the helping hand of the govt. right…it would be great…but most don’t!

  56. henry, I agree with you on that. She kept saying that they benefited from all those things like roads, etc the “the rest of us” paid for, but she neglects to mention that the average business owner HAS BEEN PAYING FOR THEM TOO. The top 10% of earners provide almost SEVENTY PERCENT of all revenue in this country. So who paid for those roads?

    What about the 47% who pay no income taxes at all? I’m not saying soak them, and YES, the rich can afford to pay more, but IMO everyone in this country, with VERY few exceptions, should pay SOMETHING. I don’t care if it’s twenty bucks. NO ONE in this country who earns a wage should pay zero income taxes.

    If all of the people who paid ZERO income taxes paid $100 a year, do you realize we could make a HUGE impact on the deficit? We could certainly make a bigger impact than dicking around with making the small handful of rich people pay extra. There just aren’t ENOUGH rich people for it to have that big an impact. It’s things like that that make me think that the Dims’ goal isn’t really raising revenue, but just demagoguing.

    43.4 million people filed a return and paid nothing. If every one of those paid even 50 bucks in taxes, that would be 2.17 TRILLION dollars in annual revenue. But no one ever suggests that. It’s always about raising another billion or so from the rich.

  57. I would love not to have any taxes taken out of my paycheck…and I hate filling out the tax forms too.

    I sure did like that Johnson fellow…and Huntsman…I think Huntsman is a moderate…

    I don’t think Perry has done a thing for Texas….he almost has that transtexas corridor built…just a few bridges left to do….and he’s upped the speed limit on a few highways to 85….I think this north american union is a done deal…

  58. A fact that I believe those who champion Warren’s statements need to remember is that many 7 figure income people give a huge amount to charity and their giving will be effected by a tax increase. Tell me how does it play out in the long run? Increase taxes by 10k so 10k is not given to local organizations that get the job done instead it goes to the feds and maybe 1 dollar of your increased taxes reaches an organization that you would have aided. Sorry government tells me I am greedy and should pay more fine I have no choice but i am also going to scream you do with my money what I was.

  59. Excuse me – it’s late and I’m tired. I believe that would be billion, not trillion. If they all paid $100 annually, it would be close to a trillion.

  60. confloyd @ 12:09 – another advantage of the Fair Tax is that it encourages and rewards thrifty savers. Used good don’t get taxed. Money you earn and save doesn’t get taxed. So people who don’t go blow their whole paycheck get rewarded.

    Also, anyone who buys stuff pays. So all the illegal aliens, and tax dodgers, and “under-the-table” earners still pay, because they buy stuff.

  61. H4T, and Henry,
    I agree with at least most of them paying $50., most spend that on lotto tickets every year…not to mention cigarettes which we wind up paying for because they have no healthcare either…

    How about these folks you have medicaid and are too lazy to go to the regular Dr., they come to the Er and now the hospitals are going to have to absorb the cost…so that means high premiums for us who work…

    I understand Bill Clinton is saying that taxing the rich will not help get jobs….I was shocked…Bill sounded very much like a republican…which he really isn’t, but he know the economy has got to come back or we are doomed like Japan.

  62. Upping the speed limit in Texas and letting all those semi drivers from Mexico with NO health insurance…how does Perry plan on paying for that????

    I used to work at a big Trauma center ont he outskirts of Houston…I can’t tell how many knife and gun fights and car wrecks were illegal aliens….they’d be on a respirator for months…physical for months and we the Taxpayer paid for all this crap. It’s ridiculous… The Trans Texas Corridor is very bad news for those of us who live along its routes….Hwy 69 runs right thru Nacogdoches…..

  63. I am not a conventionally rich man and perhaps will never be, but I do resent the government for diminishing my greatest investment I will ever make in my life.
    I care very much for my little crud and I have spent countless hours preparing her for kindergarten as well as life(swim, ballet, gymnastics, violin lessons) I want her to know herself so she will never be subjected to definition from outside.(Pipe dream I know as she is going to have some peer pressure but I want her to know who she is. I want her to be self-possessed) Anyhow she started kindergarten and i waited outside the door in a tree singing the Dolly/Rondstadt/Harris song Wildflower. I just wanted to scream I love you baby doll. School told me it was unfair to the other kids. Monster is reading at a second grade level and she has to endure remedial education because other kids parents did not take an active role in their kids education. She is the youngest in her class and i thought about private school. Closest is Catholic and they specialize in not labeling adhd or other disorders, Great program just not for my imp. Point is a huge percentage of the challenged students are from the newly recognized/admitted Section 8 housing. Don’t even think about calling me racist as 99% are white. They just think it the schools job to teach. Week three of kindergarten and they have learned two words a and the. Disgrace. My family chose a place to live based on school quality. How is that fair to work hard and save to get your kid an education to then be told your district must accept those that had kids that didn’t do the same?

  64. I don’t care if it’s twenty bucks. NO ONE in this country who earns a wage should pay zero income taxes.


    Do you know how much it costs the IRS to process even a simple 1040? According to an AARP tax help volunteer, it used to cost $35; so it’s probably more now.

    That’s just what it cost the IRS. Doesn’t count the time and stress for the person filing.

  65. I’ll try to get that thing in about how medicare/medicaid is going to deny payments to the hospital emergency rooms if the reason the patient came in is not a true emergency….Well that all fine and good, but the hospitals are going to be left holding the bag for all these, ear aches, constipation, coughs, colds, cramps, headaches and mosquito bites….people are still going to come in….they need to change the law so we can triage…

    Confloyd – the hospitals around here are projecting that they will put urgent cares right next to the ERs. Triage wil direct the pt. to urgent care if ER is not appropriate.

  66. turndown, if you can’t see the point of what I was saying, and want to harp on the cost of a tax return, then have at it. So make it 50 bucks instead of 20. I don’t care. My point was that everyone should pay into the system, have some skin in the game.

    And BTW, the fair tax we’ve been discussing would end that 1040 cost anyway.

  67. I’ve always like the “Fair Tax”….it just sounds like a great idea…no IRS!


    Almost ANYTHING would be better than IRS. But does anyone really believe the government would really discard IRS? No, we’d end up with both.

  68. Hillary4Texas
    Amen. Twice.
    I tried working with a local Lutheran Church which was already providing dirt cheap after school care. 75 bucks a week with the kids being walked from the elementary school to the church from 2:50 to 6:00 . Wanted to do swimming through the Y across the street, and other activities but it was cash only. No gov’t payment. Too much of a hassle. Program ended. Church still provides after school care and the parents pay 70 for one 105 for two but they don’t go anywhere or do anything.

  69. make it 50 bucks instead of 20.


    Hell, even 50 might not cover the cost of processing now. And that’s just for processing the return. Not for setting up a collections account for each new payer, dealing with the checks that would barely break even with the cost, and the bouncing checks, etc.

    To gain any useful net tax income, you’d need to make it 150 or 200. Is there any limit to the amount you would want to tax these people?

    As for ‘skin in the game’, that’s worse than ‘social engineering’. That’s causing a lot of real trouble for just some sort of psychological satisfaction for a few proponents.

  70. Used good don’t get taxed. Money you earn and save doesn’t get taxed.


    REally? No tax on used cars, boats? No tax on houses unless new? And how long will these exceptions last?

    Save where? Overseas? Stocks? Innovative financial instruments?

  71. Is there any limit to the amount you would want to tax these people?

    turndown, you are utterly full of shit.

    Night, all.

  72. turndownobama
    Please consider this– Taxes go up 50.000 a year if you normally donated 50,000 where are you going to cut back. I’d say fuck it the gov’t seems to think it can benefit society better than I can on my own so go ahead raise my taxes but don’t expect me to give a dime to the local theater company as you people do it so much better. I can only speak for myself– I have spent some time teaching addicts to read. i am no do-gooder. i liked the challenge. Took a couple of generic literacy classes and discarded it all. I loved finding out how a person viewed the letters in front of them. Everyone i instructed was like the Sunday New York Time’s puzzle– once i got how they were seeing the letters/words everything fell into place. i had to learn their language to teach them mine. I worked with maybe a hundred people and of those 25 got GED’s. Another 10 can fill out an application on their own. yet I got hit with so many accusations of racism in 2008 that i said no more. I think the small stuff of racism charges back then gets swept under the carpet– I would take a bus meet a person in a coffee shop to work on reading and of course they’d have no money so I’d pay and we’d work for a half an hour and then I’d be attacked for my Hillary sticker. Once okay. Then with my baby girl with me. No more.
    Take a look at how much the top 10% donates to worthy causes– do you really want to alienate them.
    I will never put myself out there again like I did for years.

  73. H4t said:
    43.4 million people filed a return and paid nothing. If every one of those paid even 50 bucks in taxes, that would be 2.17 TRILLION dollars in annual revenue.


    You must be thinking gross here. Net would be lucky to break even with the processing costs.

    You seem to think there is some minimum amount that would be a reasonable ‘skin in the game’ for “everyone” to have to pay. Really, if you raise that amount enough to net much over processing, it will be enough to be a hardship on the lowest income people.

    Also, doesn’t your scheme require everyone to file a return, even those whose income is so low that they aren’t now required to file? That’s a lot of stress on people who are already stressed by their poverty. And a lot of extra work on the social workers (and librarians etc) who would end up helping them.

    The poor are already paying taxes: sales tax, gasoline tax, property tax if they own their homes (even if heavily mortgaged), etc. This is on almost all their income, since almost their whole income has to be spent on these necessities.

  74. turndownobama
    you have jumped the shark
    please take a look at your arguments. no one is saying do not aide the poor. Federal tax everyone pays, No refunds. Realistic help available. please explain to me how a program like the Earned Income Credit helps anyone but retailers and fast food restaurants. you have two kids,claim father unknown get free health care and daycare make 25.000 and get a six thousand dollar tax return. Huh? Single guy working his ass off pays as much as you are getting refunded so in esse you are making 12000 dollars more than a guy doing the right thing.
    I think no kid goes hungry no kid goes without top notch medical care but draw the line at i am poor give me 565 thousand dollars because I worked part time. No No NO

  75. henry,

    We’re not talking about Earned Income Credit. We’re talking about h4t’s idea of poor people having to PAY some minimum amount of income tax so as to “have skin in the game.”

  76. turndownobama
    I say everyone pays and then we help out those that need it. We also have to look at how gov’t programs are a disaster. Section 8 is criminal. Home owners loose 10% and more landlords can jack up prices? Be real. Do any of the post LBJ programs work? I am a blue collar and I say no. I was 14 years old cleaning banks with my grandmother. Buckle up. 99 weeks of umemploymebt is crazy.

  77. Illegal restaurant employees are never prosecuted for their actions.
    legal workers are smacked with fines all the time.
    Fake ss criminal works a job makes 50k over three years. He disappears legal folks get screwed.

  78. The IRS is a private agency subcontracted by the government to collect and audit Income Tax Returns. Used as an agency hired for enforcement of Federal Income Tax laws.

  79. One thing that really stumps me which was accented by last nights debate. I think Megyan(sp?) Kelly is a star. She is articulate, intelligent and easy on the eyes, the most valuable piece of real estate opened up for the first time in 20 years when oprah called it quits and the media powers that be went with anderson cooper, couric and dr oz. Really the 4 to 5 hour is primo real estate. Boardwalk and Park Place all rolled up in an hour. Billion dollar chunk of time and they throw up the dullest of dull. Think about it you are an executive who can make hundreds of millions of dollars by placing the right show at 4 to lead into local news casts and you come up with anderson cooper who is third with his 360 spiel Or couric who alienated stay at home moms? Boggles my mind. Kelly represents the new face of women. oprah wouldn’t last a season if she launched today. 18 to 49 with household earnings between 40 and 80k is what advertisers want. M Kelly is perfect. Befuddles me to think that some person making six figures thought cooper or couric could fit the bill. How out of touch can you be. Absurd. I have looked at both of their numbers over the last five years and both have descended yet tens of millions are being pumped into shows that will last tops a year.

  80. Mrs Smith
    I have the utmost respect for the woman. i think she is a star. in 1980 when oprah came on to the scene it was a very different world for women and she spoke to an audience, That was then this is now. cooper, couric and dr oz are not relating. Kelley does. Accomplished centered dignified. She is so marketable. I for one can say i tune into FOX for Kelly Baiir sustern and Hemmer. The others I find as sad as cnn or msnbc. The Five is the worst show ever!!!!!!! At least Beck was evocative.

  81. can’t stand Perry…wouldn’t, couldn’t vote for him. ….another arrogant not very bright narcissist….been there done that.

  82. Waxman is an odious little toad, accuses GOP of badgering the CEO’s, hello, where the fuck is the $535M. Ridiculous, says they should not be asked any questions.

  83. Instead of incriminating the Solyndra execs, this hearing did a good start on incriminating the Dem committee members. They all look like big WH todies.

  84. I watched the Frank Luntz focus group after the debate last night and former Perry supporters were changing their support left and right. Romney picked up many, Newt one, and Cain a couple.

    A couple comments on Fox and how they produce these events: Megan Kelly had false eyelashes on so thick that at times I didn’t think she would be able to get her eyelids all the way open. I wish Fox would stop with the nonstop sexualization of their female stars. And the crowd sounded like they were attending a high school football game with the cheers and boos as each candidate answered the questions. It’s not a pep rally.

  85. Morning recap of the debate:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Texas Gov. Rick Perry declared in the Republican presidential debate Thursday night that he had never advocated turning Social Security over to the states. His denial was hard to fathom given his past rhetoric about the program.

    “Let the states do it,” he said last year, for example.

    In the latest debate, Michele Bachmann misread presidential approval polls and denied making a statement that she actually did make just the week before, concerning a vaccine for girls. Mitt Romney denied supporting an Obama administration education program that he had praised.

    But the most consequential exchange may have been over Social Security, and Perry’s changing thoughts about it.

    A careful parsing of Perry’s words over the past months shows that his position on Social Security is not cut and dried. As he said in the debate, he believes that states should be allowed to exempt certain state or local government employees from the program, in favor of a state-approved alternative. That’s already the reality in some places, including at least three Texas counties.

    Far more radical is the idea of essentially dismantling Social Security as a federal entitlement and making states responsible for basic retirement security of all its citizens. He asserted in the debate, “We never said that we were going to move this back to the states.”

    But at times, Perry has sounded very much in favor of doing just that. In a November appearance on MSNBC, he said of Social Security, “Get it back to the states. Why is the federal government even in the pension program or the health care delivery program? Let the states do it.”

    What’s clear is that Perry, in his book and afterward, trashed Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme” and “crumbling monument to the failure of the new deal” and has since backtracked on such harsh words, especially since rival Romney has come to the defense of the popular entitlement.

    A look at some other statements in the Florida debate and how they compare with the facts at the link above.

  86. HillaryforTexas
    September 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm
    I like Cain. I don’t think he’ll be president, and don’t think I’d want him to be, but I can’t help but like him. Because I think he is exactly who he says he is: average Joe business guy who really wants to fix stuff in practical ways.
    I agree with your assessment even though I don’t agree with all his positions, I do like the fact he keeps talking about solutions.

  87. Waxman:
    “I just want to take this moment to assert the fact that I think it’s unseemly and inappropriate for members to be asking questions that you know they will not answer,” Waxman said, saying the GOP questions were “sound bites” for the press.

    Meanwhile, full committee Chairman Fred Upton:
    “Let me just warn you and the other folks involved in this taxpayer rip-off,” Upton said. “We’re not done. No we’re not.”

    And one Politico commenter states the obvious:
    Obama had the FBI gather all the potential evidence and it is possibly now being engineered and modified to craft an exoneration

    Read more:

  88. Waxman needs a slap, we have every right to hear them answer on record as to where that 535M went, i want them on record pleading the 5th. Then we can refer back, it makes them look guilty as hell though.

  89. Waxman needs surgery on those gigantic nostrils…they are such I distraction, I can’t concentrate on anything he says. 😉

  90. If all of the people who paid ZERO income taxes paid $100 a year, do you realize we could make a HUGE impact on the deficit? We could certainly make a bigger impact than dicking around with making the small handful of rich people pay extra. There just aren’t ENOUGH rich people for it to have that big an impact.


    Tax the poor! There’s more of them.

    Tax the turnips!

  91. I say everyone pays and then we help out those that need it.


    Administrative costs. Big Brother Government.

  92. Are you done with the strawmen, yet, turndown? They are getting kinda battered – do you need a few fresh ones? I love how you like to have arguments with yourself, whacking away with so much fervor at things we didn’t promote in entirety, and attitudes none of us expressed.

    And by the way, just to demonstrate how idiotic you are and your lack of reading comprehension, your argument that it costs more to file the 1040 than 20 bucks doesn’t even fly.

    If you actually read the entirety of what I said, rather than flying off on a “Her hates the poooor!” tangent, you would have realized that the numbers I postulated were from those who already filed a tax return and paid zero taxes. The cost of the tax return is already there. I didn’t even include those who don’t file in the math. I also clearly stated in the beginning that while I’d like few exceptions to everyone paying, I realize that of course there would be some exceptions.

    But over 40% of all returns filed paying no taxes? Nope, that’s too many. Is almost half the country is living in such abject crushing poverty that asking them for 20 bucks toward funding their govt is a cruel cruel crushing burden? Gimme a break. What we have been saying is that as a general rule everyone should pay something. You are the only one who is taking it to an extreme of ” BY GOD WE WILL TAKE A NICKEL FROM EVERY HOMELESS PERSON, BAR NONE, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER!!!!!”

    So have fun swinging away at things that exist only in your own mind. Anyone with basic reading comprehension, and the ability to weigh the ENTIRE conversation we were having (including the fair tax and NO loopholes for the rich part), will pretty quickly realize that we were brainstorming and examining various tax approaches and ways to raise revenue in the most efficient way.

    You know, everyone who likes to have conversations exploring various options and solutions is not necessarily trying to present a rigid “This is the entire and complete Holy Truth of the matter” ultimatum. And I think that the fact that you consistently respond to our conversations as if every word were cast-in-stone pronouncements of Final Truth says a LOT more about your mindset than it does ours.

  93. Netanyahu – “Better to have bad press than a good eulogy.”

    “Do you know why we are called Jews? We come from Judea.”

  94. moononpluto
    September 23rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    … we have every right to hear them answer on record as to where that 535M went, i want them on record pleading the 5th.

    That’s how I feel too. And the only thing Waxman convinced me of is that he has something to hide too and Obama knows it.

  95. That was one of his best speeches in a long time….this is a realleader who did not have to read from a telepromter. He explained in specific detail thje real facts as to why there is no peace.

  96. the numbers I postulated were from those who already filed a tax return and paid zero taxes


    Yep. So you might be able to balance those processing costs one way or another. While driving many of those filers to stop filing.

    But “everyone should pay something” entails everyone filing something, not just the current filers. So there’s that much more burden of processing a new bunch of filings from people who can’t or won’t actually pay.

    (Btw, personal attacks don’t help the conversation. I’m sure not going to bow to them.)

  97. Netanyahu is really in a siege right now waiting for 2012.
    You know if BOzo gets re-elected, it’s basically lights out for Israel.

  98. You know if BOzo gets re-elected, it’s basically lights out for Israel

    Yes…Obama despises him ansd while I do not think Hillary and Bill are big fans either, they would never leave Israel hanging if she were attacked . I can’t say the same for Obama.

  99. “Meeting over dinner at the Bombay Club one night, Summers told Orszag that “we’re really home alone,” according to the book. “I mean it,” Summers said. “We’re home alone. There’s no adult in charge. Clinton would never have made these mistakes.

    From the first time I read this excerpt a few days ago when it came out, considering what I thought the context and/or timeframe was, I discerned Summers meant Hillary in that statement.

    Earlier this week I thought I would do my 3 month checkup on where FDL is at these days, since it has been so amusing to watch them go all unawares NeoProgs to damn near halfhearted NeoPUMA on Obama at least once in awhile. The site gave off an even colder and more sterile aura than ever, and feminine perspectives & presence are on life support. I clicked on a front page post on this topic of the book, to see what they had to say. It had Clinton in the title so how could I resist. The entire post turned out to be a Bash Bill Clinton post. The author (Blue Texan – CDS poisoned) jumped to the immediate conclusion that Summers was talking about Bill in this same graf above. I dipped into the comments, painful as they were. What struck me more than the expected fact that only two brave souls spoke up to defend Bill and his record, was the more alarming fact that not one self-proclaimed genius braggarts there ever considered for a second to question or clarify just what “Clinton” Summers meant. Zero speculation that maybe, just fucking gasp maybe, Summers was being dead serious for once that the Democratic Party made a colossal mistake in ’08 of FUBAR porportions (that we wouldn’t of had with Hillary or Bill). Nor did I see one mention at all of the Sexism Problem. Nope, they are all still Howard Dean clueless over there.

    So what is the consensus here? Which Clinton was Summers speaking about?

  100. Which Clinton was Summers speaking about?


    With no further information, I’d guess Bill. Summers served in Bill’s admin for 8 years, raising to the top economic post. So he would be quite familiar with Bill’s methods.

    Unless he knew that Bill and Hillary were a twofer even then, and was referring to that team. But lots of people refer to that team as “Bill” for those years, so Summers might have meant the team.

    I like Summers and I wouldn’t be surprised if he favored Hillary over Obama now, though.

  101. Hey, those horrible EXTREMIST teabaggers are threatening violence and civil unrest! Terrorists!

    sooner or later history proves that people when they’ve had enough aren’t going to take it anymore. And much better to deal with it nonviolently now, through the political system, than what could possibly happen in the future, which nobody wants to see,”

    Um, actually, that was Michael Moore. And you know what? I can’t stand Michael Moore. But I don’t think the man was literally inciting violence. I think he was postulating worst-case-scenario as a rhetorical tool, and employing a little thing called hyperbole, which angry and frustrated citizens have done for years in this country.

    So no, I don’t think Moore ought to be drawn and quartered, or made to STFU. I also don’t think some tea party person who postulates what will happen to this country if things don’t get turned around, and makes a vague reference to “Second Amendment solutions” as the potential last ditch response to perceived govt tyranny, is inciting violence either.

    The statements are distasteful and probably ill-advised, in either case. But not a ZOMG crisis of looming revolution and treason.

  102. I’d agree with turndown on this one – I think he likely was contrasting his experience under Bill to his experience under Obama.

  103. I just lost respect for Morgan Freeman…I like him as an actor, but he just doesn’t get it that this (half) black man is going to be a one term president because he is not a leader, not because tea folks are racists.

    Morgan Freeman: Obama Made Racism Worse, Tea Party Will Do ‘Whatever [It] Can To Get This Black Man Outta Here’

    Read more:

  104. Don’t forget to wear your crash helmet to bed tonight…

    This story was updated at 2:04 p.m. ET

    A huge, dead satellite tumbling to Earth is falling slower than expected, and may now plummet down somewhere over the United States tonight or early Saturday, despite forecasts that it would miss North America entirely, NASA officials now say.

    The 6 1/2-ton Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS) was expected to fall to Earth sometime this afternoon (Sept. 23), but changes in the school bus-size satellite’s motion may push it to early Saturday, according to NASA’s latest observations of the spacecraft.

  105. moononpluto
    September 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Its unseemly to see Dem reps defending these Solyndra CEO’s today, totally disgraceful.

    An indication Waxman and fellow Dems are in on the scam and will help stonewall any forthcoming investigation until the FBI has had enough time to scrub the evidence and develop a plausible scenario with a predetermined positive outcome.


    I know it’s hard, but we’ve all been involved with td’s- curious, inane, comments to our posts- the only recourse you have that is effective is to ignore them and scroll on by- otherwise, getting sucked into her trolling, wastes your time and your energy better spent on writing worthwhile observations we enjoy reading-

  106. lorac,
    I hope to God you are right…because if that will happen….we’ll all have more work than we can do….I work at a satellite ER….and we do a huge amount of non-emergent work….so is medicare and medicaid going to pay us???

  107. JanH
    September 23rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Netanyahu’s U.N. Address (9.23.11)

    Wonderful speech by Netanyahu. His history lesson of Israel’s claim on the land was an enlightening experience. Ending his speech with “we are here in the same building, there is no one to stop us from meeting and negotiating a plan for peace.”

    I hope jeswezy watches and listens to Netanyahu’s speech. It might change his stand for the hard line taken by Palestinians against Israel.

  108. Shadowfax
    September 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Mrs. S-

    Is that MO’s car? 😉

    You’re so funny… Shadow.

    You make my day with your rib tickling sense of humor! 🙂

  109. H4T, I agree everyone needs to pay taxes, even if it is only a twenty dollar bill. Everyone needs to be invested in their country.

    I also think the earned income credit needs to be re-examined.

    Before you get started Turndown, I’m a socialist. I spent my formative years in the Netherlands and my belief system was formed there. However, if citizens are not invested in their own country and draw out of the institutions without putting anything into them the system doesn’t work. Everyone needs to pay something.

    Debates were entertaining last night, but I’m not able to support any of the contenders.

    Gosh I wish Hillary would run.

  110. Good God, if something, the size of a school bus hits land at the speed its going, it’s gonna leave one hell of a crater.

  111. Ahhhh, thanks Mrs S – without a dash of humor every now and then, politics over the past 3 years would cause all of us to end up in a padded room.

  112. Senneth, my husbands best friend is a Polish nephrologist, who grew up there during and after the fall of the USSR. poland hasn’t gone libertarian, but it didn’t keep every crappy statist policy, either. They’ve tried to sort out what works and what doesn’t (still trying). He’s also lived all over Europe. Poland’s health care system is pretty much a low flat tax on everyone, and surprisingly little govt interference, with simple billing, etc. The docs are also given a lot of leeway to practice medicine, since there are few lawsuits. They feel very comfortable telling a patient: “Go home, take this medicine, there is nothing else wrong with you. No, you do not need 47 expensive tests”. But the DOCTORS make that call, not the bureaucrats. We have long dinner conversations over what bits of what plans work best, and which are “meh” or even destructive.

    One of the things he talks about is that the more successful European countries may make the rich pay more, but they also make sure almost everyone who is working contributes something. It’s not only better to have a very broad base for revenue, but it’s better for social cohesion and feeling vested in one’s govt.

  113. “I just lost respect for Morgan Freeman…I like him as an actor, but he just doesn’t get it that this (half) black man is going to be a one term president…………”
    I was going to take my daughter to that new movie he is in, but will not go after his comments..

  114. I confess i am not a progressive. Once upon a time in the world before 2008 i thought i was a liberal. No more. If i were forced to define me I’d say centrist.

    I have worked as a tax preparer for many years and I see the Earned Income Credit as nothing more than a scam. I have seen how it is played and abused. Perversion. Wrong Wrong Wrong
    Been told Bill and Hillary support it — well whooped di do. I have tremendous respect for the Secretary of State but I am not a smitten teen fan. I think she is the best but I believe EIC is a joke and an insult to honest hard working middle income Americans.

  115. Morgan Freeman is an idiot. I was around in 2003 and 2004, and we used the rallying cry to make Bush a one-term president all the time. I FERVENTLY wanted him to be dumped out of office in 2004, and wasn’t shy about saying so.

    As a matter of fact, many of us reluctantly supported Kerry not because we liked him much, but because Job One was getting that fucker Bush out of office.

    Obama is not being treated any differently than any other failing and unpopular president has been treated. What a bunch of aggrieved whiny asses.

    I was 30 years old busting my behind struggling in Manhattan to give a go of my dreams
    I was working at Joe Allen on West 46th street and had the misfortune of waiting on that loser. I brought a drink to him and he grabbed my arm and asked me what it was I did for a living. I responded well I just brought you a drink so you tell me.
    Arrogant prick said no one wants to be a waiter what do you really do. i replied i was a writer/actor and he said so tell me do you actually write or do you get drunk and fuck around.
    it is so tough to endure serving people but you do it and you try to do your job well idiots like him are beneath contempt. maybe i should have worked only 2 months and then applied for the EIC

  117. Re EIC, last I heard they were stopping it anyway, in connection with the Social Security ‘tax holiday.’ So the paycheck is actually less, and Social Security projections are going to look worse and worse.

    Typical Obama scam.

  118. H4T, exactly. Lawsuits are much less prevalent in Europe, and even though the “rich” are expected to pay more everyone is expected to invest into the system or the system does not work.

    My cousin, still in Holland, was lamenting because of hard economic times that the Dutch government has had to restrict certain pension benefits and she will no longer be able to receive a pension herself (she hasn’t worked much), but only a portion of her husbands.

    Everyone has to economize everywhere.

    As for Morgan Freeman, isn’t he having a relationship with his foster daughter or step daughter or something like that. I no longer watch his films either because of that, and now reinforced with his supporting the fraud. That goes ditto for a lot of the Hollywood elite. I prefer BBC films anyway – the acting is much better and the people look like ordinary people.

  119. Henry,
    I agree on the EIC. It needs to be revisited. And while I want Hillary to be our next president, there are many areas in which I disagree with both Bill and Hill. However, I think Hillary would have made a much better president than Bill.

    Run Hillary, Run.

  120. turndownobama
    For the record I think the concept of the EIC is well intended. The reality is is that it is abused. Cite whatever study you are inclined to but i have seen it in the trenches. makes no sense for a young family with a child to get married itf the father is making 35k. They get zip. Mother says father unknown. She works part time and gets FREE day care even on days off. healthcare is provided at no cost(I believe every kid deserves that) Rent subsidies utilities food stamps. She lives with baby daddy works to earn 13k files as head of houselold and gets a 5k check under the EIC. Please tell me thats not reality because you read a study. I see it everyday,

  121. Senneth
    I think HRC would be the best president this country has ever known. I respect her more than anyone I don’t know personally but i am not a fan. That is what kool aid is about.

  122. henry,

    I haven’t studied EIC so I’m not commenting on it one way or the other. Except to say that cutting it at the same time they cut SS contributions is a scam. Worker gets less, SS gets less. Win/win for Obama. Lose/lose for the worker.

  123. A lot of strong praise for Bill Clinton in the comments here:

    And some cries of “Hillary 2012!”

    They have this claimed quote from Bill but I didn’t see a link to a video.

    Clinton went on to challenge the emerging GOP consensus that government size and spending require dramatic cuts, observing that the most prosperous parts of the U.S. “look nothing like the anti-government ideal of the Tea Party crowd”:
    You know, there’s not a single solitary example on the planet, not one, of a country that is succesful because the economy has triumphed over the government and choked it off and driven the tax rates to zero, driven the regulations to nonexistent and abolished all government programs, except for defense, so people in my income group never have to pay a nickel to see a cow jump over the moon. There is no example of a succesful country that looks like that.

  124. I love Bill like a brother, but I gotta call bullshit on this if he said it:

    there’s not a single solitary example on the planet, not one, of a country that is succesful because the economy has triumphed over the government and choked it off and driven the tax rates to zero, driven the regulations to nonexistent and abolished all government programs, except for defense

    Yeah, and a country of zero taxes, no regulation whatsoever, and abolishing all govt except for defense is not what any conservatives I know are calling for. The only ones who push that bullcrap are reaaaaally extreme libertarians and anarchists. You are better than that, Bill. Shame on you.

  125. turndownobama
    I happen to think the genesis of the EIC was brilliant. But it was bastardized and now it has become an “entitlement” let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. Re vamp. Work you ass off at the Wendy’s drive through and earn the money to pay for college/training. Ten grand over two years can get a low income single mother an LPN or a paralegal degree. Five grand once a year for a struggling mother results in the best case scenario a mother buying an x box

    I even with my limited imagination can see how people meant the EIC to do good but the reality is it doesn’t. It sends crumbs to the hungry.

  126. I agree Henry. I also think EIC was well intended and should be reworked.

    I remembered something about Morgan Freeman, so it was his step-grand daughter. Shame on him.

  127. gonzotx: Christie
    Committee for Our Children’s Future undertakes $1.5 million ad campaign 20 September

    Backers of Gov. Chris Christie today launched a $1.5 million-dollar television campaign to promote the Republican governor’s policies. The Bernardsville-based Committee for Our Children’s Future (CCF), a self-proclaimed independent 501(c)(4) organization, is airing the ad on New York and Philadelphia broadcast and New Jersey statewide cable stations. “Washington is moving in the wrong direction. From runaway spending and record debt to gridlock, our federal government is not working. Meanwhile, in New Jersey things are moving in the right direction — two balanced budgets, a billion dollars in wasteful spending cut and millions of dollars in new education funding,” said Brian Jones, spokesperson, Committee for Our Children’s Future. “New Jersey should serve as a national model for government leaders across the country. It’s time for a better economic future for taxpayers, working families, and our children. We must protect our children’s future and keep the New Jersey reform movement going.”

    The ad launch roughly coincided with Christie’s education reform kickoff this month in time for campaign season.
    At his press conference today, Christie said he is not personally responsible for the group’s efforts but welcomed their support.

  128. From Warren in 2007:

    Now let me give you an idea of what these numbers mean, so I can put them in a little bit different context. These families that are filing for bankruptcy — families with children — More children live in homes that will file for bankruptcy — this year [2007] — than live in homes that will file for divorce. That is, there are more children in America — and this has been true, by the way, since the late 1990s — more children are going through their parents’ bankruptcy than are going through their parents’ divorce.

    So let me say that to you a different way. Know anybody who got divorced, say, any time in the last six or seven years? You know some children who live in homes where mom and dad have split up? Then you, statistically speaking, know more — if you know random cross-sections of America — you know more who went bankrupt. Why do you think you don’t know more that went bankrupt? That’s because you can’t hide divorce but you can sure hide bankruptcy. And that’s what people have done.

  129. I’ve been up and down about Christie as governor, but must say my recollection of these facts (source wikipedia) cause me to welcome a presidential run by the man:

    He is a member of the American Bar Association and the New Jersey State Bar Association and was a member of the Election Law Committee of the New Jersey State Bar Association.
    Christie served as the chief federal law enforcement officer in New Jersey from January 17, 2002 to December 1, 2008. Despite the initial misgivings over his degree of experience, Christie received praise for his history of convictions for public corruption. During his tenure, Christie’s office won convictions or guilty pleas from 130 public officials, both Republican and Democratic, on the state, county and local levels without losing a single case.[16] The most notable of these convictions included those of Hudson County Executive Robert C. Janiszewski in 2002 on bribery charges,[17] Essex County Executive James W. Treffinger in 2003 on corruption charges,[18] former New Jersey Senate President John A. Lynch, Jr. in 2006 on charges of mail fraud and tax evasion,[19] State Senator and former Newark mayor Sharpe James in 2008 on fraud charges,[20] and State Senator Wayne R. Bryant in 2008 on charges of bribery, mail fraud, and wire fraud.[21]

    I do think BO would need to keep a supply of fresh underwear nearby if ever he comes up against this guy in a debate/townhall. any discussion at all.

  130. I would like to replace the phrase “under the bus” with “burned another bridge” for that is what the current POTUS does. Trashes opportunities for the sake of what he considers to be a teachable moment of bullying. He could have built a bridge with Christie when he toured NJ flood areas recently. But from the few clips aired on TV, he appeared to hog center stage … even though that is hard to do with the girth of Christie. Christie’s morbid obesity is probably what will literally get in the way of his running either through his own recognition of the stress the campaign would have on him, or else through the public deciding he is not healthy enough to vote for.

  131. I’ll give him his dues, Christie looks like a man who takes no crap from anyone, i guess working as republican AG in the NJ cesspool gave him a very thick skin to deal with attacks.

  132. U.S. Internet rules to take effect November 20

    (Reuters) – Long-delayed U.S. Internet rules that tackle the controversial issue of balancing consumer and content provider interests against those who sell access to the Web will take effect November 20.

    The Federal Communications Commission’s “open Internet” order was published in the Federal Register on Friday, and immediately drew threats of court and congressional challenges.

    The rules were adopted by the FCC late last year after a lengthy debate, but only recently cleared a review by the White House’s Office of Management and Budget.

    Criticized by opponents as a legally shaky government intrusion into regulating the Internet, the new rules forbid broadband providers from blocking legal content but leave flexibility for providers to manage their networks.

    Broadband provider Verizon Communications Inc has been a vociferous opponent, and renewed its pledge to take the FCC to court as soon as the rules are published.

    “We have said all along that once we see the publication … we intend to file another notice of appeal,” Verizon spokesman Ed McFadden said.

    For the past 10 years, the possibility of regulations to mandate the neutrality of the Internet — in terms of restrictions on content, sites, platforms and types of equipment that may be attached — has been the subject of fierce debate.

    The latest rulemaking was prompted by a U.S. federal appeals court ruling last year that the FCC lacked the authority to stop Comcast Corp from blocking bandwidth-hogging applications on its broadband network.

    The rules, adopted last December in a 3-2 vote, give the FCC power to ensure consumer access to huge movie files and other content while allowing Internet service providers to manage their networks to prevent congestion.

    An FCC spokesman said the rules increase certainty and predictability, stimulating investment and ensuring job creation and economic growth.

    But public interest groups criticized the rules as too weak, saying the FCC bent heavily to the will of big industry players including AT&T Inc and Comcast.

    Matt Wood, policy director of public interest group Free Press, said broadband providers will be able to divide the Internet into “fast and slow lanes” and that the rules fail to protect mobile broadband users.

    “Even in their watered-down form, the rules might do some good — but that would require a vigilant FCC to carefully monitor and address complaints,” Wood said in a statement, adding that he doubted the agency would do enough to protect consumers.

    While some public interest groups had considered a lawsuit to strengthen the rules, they now seem focused on ensuring the rules stay in place.

    “We are prepared to vigorously defend the FCC’s rules in court and in Congress,” said Gigi Sohn, president of Public Knowledge. She said the rules are a good start despite not being as strong as she had hoped.

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit in April threw out earlier challenges to the FCC’s open Internet order by Verizon and MetroPCS Communications Inc, dismissing their lawsuits as premature.

    FCC rulemakings generally cannot be challenged until the rules are published in the Federal Register.

    Top Republican lawmakers vowed after the rules were adopted to find a way to reverse what they called an unprecedented power grab by the FCC, calling the rules unnecessary and misguided.

    “In order to turn back the FCC’s onerous net neutrality restrictions, I will push for a Senate vote this fall on my resolution of disapproval,” Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, the ranking Republican on the Senate Commerce Committee, said in a statement on Friday.

    The Republican-controlled House of Representatives pushed through a measure in April to overturn the order and prevent the FCC from adopting any rules related to it. The effort faces a tougher climb in the Senate, where Democrats retain a majority.

    The White House has said President Barack Obama’s advisers would recommend he veto any such resolution against the Internet rules if it were to make it to his desk.


    Here we go- Obama is tampering with Internet content. Will we ever find the Truth again? All advertising monies will flow to him in some Soros pac? Articles will be edited for content?

  133. H4t said:
    “43.4 million people filed a return and paid nothing. If every one of those paid even 50 bucks in taxes, that would be 2.17 TRILLION dollars in annual revenue.”

    No, that would be $2.17 Billion, as in $2170 Million or $2,170,000,000. Chickenfeed in the Federal or even a large corporation budget.

    It’s easy to get lost with the figures. We only started using the word “Trillion” a few years ago when talking of Fed expenditures/debt, and now there’s talk of “Quadrillions” in assets and trading revenues.

    Rather than squabble about how little or how much low-earners can or should pay, there is reason to support the Tobin tax, or “Wall Street Sales Tax” of 1% that could arguably bring in over a trillion dollars a year. Furthermore, it would slow down Wall Street trading in fictitious instruments, which would be a blessing in itself.

  134. “Rather than squabble about how little or how much low-earners can or should pay, there is reason to support the Tobin tax, or “Wall Street Sales Tax” of 1% that could arguably bring in over a trillion dollars a year. Furthermore, it would slow down Wall Street trading in fictitious instruments, which would be a blessing in itself.”

    We’ve been advocating the Tobin Tax be adopted for years as well as the reinstatement of the Glass Steagall Act for years. Nothing happens.

    Just recently, the politicians coming out in defense of Solyndra executives is an indication of the rampant corruption in Congress. There seems to be a concerted effort of elected congressional members to bring down the democratic government existing in this country since the signing of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

  135. I have the feeling this new twist has something to do with it- It seems the US has been added to the Soros Acquisitions Portfolio.

    OBAMA In Lockstep with Soros’ Globalist Agenda. Launches Soros-Endorsed Globalist Organization at UN, Signs U.S. Up to Other Soros’ Initiatives

    By Brenda J. Elliott

    The photo on the left taken at a UN event yesterday has sparked controversy online as to whether POTUS was waving when it was taken or if the picture has been photoshopped. The juvenile egocentric act has been confirmed as real.

    What should have sparked real controversy is the story behind the photograph, the launch of a new George Soros-endorsed global organization of which Obama is a co-chair.

    Speaking at the launch of the Open Government Partnership, or OGP, Obama delivered a message ripped straight from the pages of the George Soros “open society” playbook.

    Obama said “open societies, economies and governments make the ‘strongest foundation for human progress.’”

    Soros’ Open Society Foundations website proclaims:

    These principles are at the core of the work of the Open Society Foundations. We support the Transparency and Accountability Initiative, a donor collaborative dedicated to empowering citizens to hold their governments to account, and we support civil society groups in more than 60 countries to do the same.

    When the Open Society Foundations says it supports the Transparency and Accountability Initiative, it means that in the literal sense.

    The Initiative is a program of the Foundations’ information program which promotes “opening government data to the public.”

    The OSF pronouncement continues:

    We are particularly pleased that the United States has committed itself in its own “Action Plan” under the Open Government Partnership to implement the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative, and we trust that the U.S. will take further steps to demonstrate its commitment to openness.

    As to the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative, George Soros and his Open Society Institute are well-represented on EITI’s board of directors:

    . Dorjdari Namkhaijantsan is manager of Open Society Forum Mongolia.
    . Sabit Bagirov is with the Soros-funded Center for Economic and Political Research (on whose advisory board serves Soros-affiliated economist Joseph Stiglitz).
    . Anthony Richter is Associate Director of the Open Society Institute and chairman of the governing board of the Soros-funded Revenue Watch Institute.

    OSF continues: “We applaud presidents Obama and Rousseff for having launched this initiative. We intend to work with partners around the world to wholeheartedly support and monitor the efforts of governments to make these commitments and to fulfill them.”

    Dilma Vana Rousseff, an admitted socialist, is the current President of Brazil.

    The Wikipedia says Rousseff “became a socialist during her youth, and following the 1964 coup d’état joined various left-wing and Marxist urban guerrilla groups that fought against the military dictatorship.” Rousseff and her partner, Carlos Araújo, “helped found the Democratic Labour Party (PDT) in Rio Grande do Sul” and “became the Secretary of the Treasury of Porto Alegre in the Alceu Collares administration, and later the Secretary of Energy of Rio Grande do Sul under both Collares and Olívio Dutra administrations. In 2000, after an internal dispute in the Dutra cabinet, she left PDT and joined the Workers’ Party (PT).”

    The OGP includes eight founding member countries: Mexico, Indonesia, South Africa, and the Philippines. Co-chairs Obama and Rousseff represent the United States and Brazil respectively.

    “All eight [countries] have pledged to be more transparent, allow greater citizen participation in government, and increase access to technology,” Voice of America reports. It continues:

    [Obama] said the moment is ripe for the initiative, with people across the Middle East and North Africa pushing for their governments to represent and benefit their citizens, and with emerging democracies across the world showing how “innovations in open government” can increase prosperity and justice. He said an additional 40 countries have begun working toward joining the partnership next year.

    [Obama also] said that as part of this promise, the U.S. will launch a new online tool that will allow Americans to petition the White House directly. He said they also will make the technology available to other governments.

    According to the OGP website, its Networking Mechanism:

    … connects OGP governments with providers of open government expertise to help aspiring OGP governments develop innovative, cutting-edge open government commitments.

    The OGP Networking Mechanism’s mission is to introduce governments to peer governments, non-governmental groups, and private companies with experience, skill sets, and technology that can assist governments with conceptualizing and implementing ambitious best practice open government commitments and reforms. Our hope is that through those introductions and conversations, which can include more detailed technical assistance when requested, aspiring OGP governments are able to develop more ambitious OGP commitments that push the envelope in terms of what is possible with respect to open government reforms.

    Of greatest interest, though, is how the OGP Networking Mechanism will be managed.

    The OGM Networking Mechanism is currently managed by a small team made up of the Global Integrity and the World Bank Institute, and chaired by Global Integrity.

    Global Integrity, as it turns out, is supported in part by four Soros-funded donors:

    . Ashoka, which promotes fellowships through Soros’ Open Society Institute.
    . Fundación Soros—Guatemala (Open Society Institute).
    . Open Society Institute — Information Program.
    . Open Society Justice Initiative.

    The United States has a heavy hand inside the OGP operation, as well.

    The U.S. Department of State and the Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE), one of the four core institutes of the National Endowment for Democracy, and NED itself are also donors.

    Ask yourself this: Why did the Lamestream Media fail to report all of this truly significant information and focus on another Obama distraction — a silly photo-op — instead?

  136. I think this development has slid under the radar and bypassed the Clintons. The breath holding by everyone waiting for the outcome of the PA state question. will they or won’t they formalize and application for statehood?… Will Obama use the US veto preventing it?… all this, and the Clinton Global Initiative going on at the same time was an ideal time for Obama slip the US into a binding agreement with the Soros Cartel un-noticed and unreported by the media-

    I believe there is something to it that will be catastrophic to our democracy and our way of life… beginning with the forthcoming changes to the Internet in November.

  137. Its finally sinking in.

    President Barack Obama’s approval ratings have fallen to a new low, with only 36 percent of Americans saying that they approve of the way he is handling his job overall, according to a new poll from the Economist/YouGov. A majority of Americans – 56 percent – disapprove of the president’s performance.

    Even more concerning for the president may be the news that top Republican candidates have moved within striking distance in head-to-head matchups. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney trails Obama by just a 44 percent to 43 percent margin, while Texas governor Rick Perry trails 46 percent to 42 percent.

    As has been the case in previous polls showing the president’s slipping approval, Americans seem frustrated primarily in a souring economy. Only 30 percent of Americans strongly or somewhat approve of the president’s handling of the issue. 50 percent of Americans believe that the policies of the Obama Administration have hurt the economy, and 53 percent say that they have hurt the middle class.

    Nor are they particularly convinced by the president’s jobs bill push. More Americans believe that the bill would not create a substantial number of new jobs, and 64 percent of those polled say the president should be doing more to help create new jobs.

    Furthermore, the poll shows that while the country was evenly divided in January on whether they would describe the president as “effective”, today only 15 percent of Americans believe so, versus 40 percent who do not. 45 percent have no opinion on the matter.

    Nor is the president scoring points for ideological consistency. 57 percent of those polled believe that most of what the president says is what he wants people to hear, rather than what he really believes.

    Still, there are a couple glimmers of hope for Obama and the Democrats. As has been true in other polls, more trust Democrats than Republicans to handle the issue of job creation, and more believe that government spending is the way to create more jobs.

    The Economist/YouGov poll surveyed 1000 respondents with a margin of error of 3.7 percent.

  138. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will be guests this weekend on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

  139. Interesting comment by Mimi over at crawdad’s:

    This is OT but I found interesting. I had dinner last night with friends that I thought were totally non-political. They wanted to talk about the Republican debate. Why I asked. It’s too early. They said because there will be no Democratic debates nor primaries. It’s the only one where they have any input or get any choice. They then expounded on how Democrats do not allow choices and pre-pick presidential candidates according to what big wigs want and voters are just props in a charade. Don’t Republicans do the same thing I asked. They try but look at the Tea Party and the Republican Congressmen who refuse to vote as they are told, Democrats won’t do that they said.
    If this is what non connected voters are thinking, Democrats including Obama are in for a world of hurt in 2012. Voters have them figured out and they do not like it.

    The stealing of the nomination and the selection of Obama are having consequences. Even those who may not know the details have a vague sense of what’s wrong with the Dims.

    Of course, the GOP is fighting tooth and nail against the upstart peasants, but on the Dem side there is not even much of a resistance at all.

    I personally think that the next couple of elections are going to be less about policy and ideology, and more about which party will get off their manipulative high horse, STFU, and LISTEN to the people for a change. What the plan will be is frankly secondary at this point to making sure TPTB know they are fucking accountable to the People. You have to grab the reins first before you can direct the horse.

    The first party to acquire some humility, peel their greedy fingers off those reins, and get that through their thick heads, wins.

    The media doesn’t get this. In all their coverage of the Tea Party, or disaffected Liberals, they keep trying to make it about policy and taxes, etc – trying to figure out “What do these people want? They are all over the board politically!” The answer is simple: the people want control. They want to wrest our govt from the hands of the party poobahs and political advisors and campaign apparatchiks and lobbyists and the permanent political class, and give it back to the people. They figure that AFTER we’ve done that, we can have the conversation (and argument) amongst ourselves as to where to go with it. But we want it to be US having that conversation, not just them.

  140. So Obama has a 36% approval rating heading into another US recession? He’ll be lucky to be at 10% by the end of it.

  141. i fear a national sales tax because i think we will end up paying tax on tax. i am an ex smoker who finds the cigarette tax reprehensible. No one seems to care. In New york State a two dollar pack of smokes costs 11 dollars. NINE dollars in tax. Where pray tell is that money going? If it supposed to offset medical costs for smoking related diseases that is more than covered. if i choose to smoke and i pay 9/day in taxes for that then i don’t want to hear shite from anyone. Where are the billions in cigarette taxes going?

  142. a mantra in the recovery community is “sick and tied of being sick and tired”
    I am borderline Tea Party. Agree with most positions and I want to hear some dems stand up. i have spent years working with addicts. hands down the best i have ever seen is Harbor Light run through the Salvation Army.
    90 day program that runs less than a 125 per client, most rehabs bill the state close to a grand a day and after 30 days send the clients out into the world.
    Ass backwards. 28 days does not cut it. The chemistry of the human body takes more than that and the psychology is absurd. I have argued til i was blue in the face for 40 weeks. Too expensive. yet over and over and over again the same people show up to go through a thousand dollar a day rehabs

  143. JanH
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    PM Netanyahu & PM’s wife Sarah, visited Ground Zero

    Ever notice the audio on some youtubes, depending on who it is about… the volume is always very low- almost inaudible…

  144. Continuing conversation over at crawdad re: what is going on with the mood of the people. I’m going to cut and paste here, because I think it’s interesting:

    1539days, on September 24, 2011 at 7:11 am said:
    That’s the funny thing. The media seems to think that when people say they want a real say in the government, it’s of the slash government and “get the government hands off my Medicare” types. The fact is that liberals and conservatives can see just how broken government is. This is about sanity and accountability.

    WMCB, on September 24, 2011 at 7:18 am said:
    Yup. Look, there is a wide variance of political opinion in this country, and we are NOT going to force everyone to agree. We are not going to have a socialist’s dream or a libertarian’s dream.
    But most of us out here think we’d be better off having it out with our neighbors, and forging compromises between ourselves, than handing it all over to one party or the other to shove what they want down our throats.

    ralphb, on September 24, 2011 at 7:22 am said:
    That’s why I think Sarah’s speech in Iowa had some resonance, even with the reporter for the NYT. The old Left-Right split isn’t what it used to be rather the fight now is between proponents of big everything (government, finance, corporations) which is remote and completely out of control and more dynamic localism,
    People do want more control over their own lives and what effects them which they won’t get from big remote institutions, no matter whose hand is on the controls. At least part of the current institutional power structure has to go and the only place we can start is with the permanent political class, Let’s make them temporary.

    WMCB, on September 24, 2011 at 7:33 am said:
    Exactly, Ralph. And I think you are right about the reasons Palin’s speech resonated, even among many on the left who are not totally tribally blinded yet.
    Flawed and divided as we are, Americans on both sides of the aisle sense that it’s no longer about US and what WE want – and hasn’t been for a long time. And we want to change that.
    Not to sound all woo woo vague, but this is the driving gestalt now in the country, regardless of ideology. Big Government, Big Corporations, Big Politics, Big Unions – it doesn’t matter. We are sick of them all calling the shots. And from what I see, TPTB spend a lot of time getting us to argue over which particular “Big” is the real devil, while feeding us lock stock and barrel to one of the other mouths of “Big”.
    People are slowly waking up to this, and they can feel it, even if they cannot quite articulate it always.

    ralphb, on September 24, 2011 at 7:46 am said:
    If Palin get’s into the race, and I think she will, that viewpoint will get it’s first national airing and I think it’s a winner. Whoever runs on that platform could be a winner.
    It’s also a platform which could be ran in primaries and continue right through the general without change. No running back to the center would be required.

    1539days, on September 24, 2011 at 7:04 am said:
    Especially since 2007, Democrats are severely admonished against dissent. Republicans for some time had solidarity, either in defense of Bush or against Obama and a Democratic Congress. I think when Republicans like Arlen Specter and Collins and Snowe started becoming the turnover votes for the Democrats, the schism in the Republicans became real.
    That’s one thing that makes the Tea Party movement really smart. They put up their own people in an established party (Republican) primary. If that candidate loses, they will still vote Republicans because they had the chance to participate. Critics try to blame the Tea Party for the fact that the Republicans couldn’t get the nearly impossible majority of Democratically held Senate seats in 2010. Tea Party candidates lost because many establishment Republicans preferred to burn their own party rather than let the duly elected Republican candidate get the office.

    WMCB, on September 24, 2011 at 7:14 am said:
    The thing about giving the govt back to the people is that it WILL be messy. No smoothly unified, well-oiled machines. There will be lots of arguing, some good candidates and some flakes, and a lot of coloring outside the lines.
    Good. Here’s a cheer for some messy, unpredictable, organic, representative governance.

    ralphb, on September 24, 2011 at 7:23 am said:
    Yep but worth it in the end. Unless Musselini shows up.

  145. The media doesn’t get this-

    Sure they do- They are corrupt as their owners. If anchor people speak up, they are replaced by someone happy to be on the Soros payroll.

    There is no incentive for media being the Third Rail watchdog. Now that, the Fairness Doctrine is dead and buried.

  146. Mrs. Smith
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    The media doesn’t get this-

    Sure they do- They are corrupt as their owners. If anchor people speak up, they are replaced by someone happy to be on the Soros payroll.

    There is no incentive for media being the Third Rail watchdog. Now that, the Fairness Doctrine is dead and buried.

    Ms Smith, You are so right. And every time we read a comment or a post in which someone offers the MSM cover by saying it is just stupid or inept or “doesn’t get it” we need to do what you have just done, call it out.

  147. Here’s the bottom line for me regarding taxes, govt spending, etc. We’ve spent several decades now demanding more and more govt services and programs, and have not paid for any of it. Including wars.

    We need to have an honest conversation about 2 things:

    1) What do we really want and need govt to do for us, and
    2) How are we going to pay for it? Not finance it, not shove it off on imagined future GDP of future generations, but PAY FOR IT on an annual, real cash flow basis.

    And no, we are not going to pay for everything we might want merely by taxing the rich. There are not enough of them. Does everyone in the country want free healthcare? Great. Is everyone in the country, other than the truly destitute, willing to pay a
    5% tax to fund it?

    Want govt to do research, and grants, and museums, and arts, etc? OK, then is everyone willing to cough up to help fund it? Want a green energy program funded by govt? Okay, are YOU willing to help pay for that? Not that other guy over there – YOU.

    We currently spend almost double what we take in every year. So either EVERYONE’s taxes need to almost double, or we have to start majorly cutting some shit, and that would just get us to paying as we go, it wouldn’t even touch the debt and interest we’ve already accumulated, so tack on a few more percentage points in taxes to pay that down. We have to start deciding what things are “really great and nice to have if we could afford it”, and what things are “Must-have necessities of govt”. Sure the taxes on the rich could bump up a bit more than others, but anyone who believes that we are going to fund every damn thing we could possibly desire out of someone else’s money, and never our own, is not living in reality.

    I don’t really care if the American people decide they want all kinds of government services – tons of them! But I am sick of the idea that we can somehow have all that, and someone else is going to pay for it. Nope. Yeah, we can have A B C and D. Hell, we can have G and R. But we are all going to have to be willing to pay for it, or it’s a house of cards.

    If we had that honest conversation, maybe people would become a bit more careful about what they suggest the govt do. Ypu know, my teenagers always had a very different view of what they “absolutely positively HAD to have!” when I suggested they needed to pay for it partly out of their own money. Maybe they still wanted and needed a jacket, but suddenly the $50 jacket was just fine, no real need for the $200 designer one.

  148. May I add that in addition to this approach making people a bit more careful about what we suggest govt do, it might also make us more careful in demanding that what it DOES do is done efficiently.

    The truth is that when it’s not really your money or your pocketbook on the line, waste and fraud and boondoggles aren’t that real to you. You might tut tut, but it’s not personal. If almost everyone is paying the full cost for all of it (not paying half or less and shoving the rest onto the national debt for someone else to worry about), then people perk up and start demanding frugality and accountability.

  149. Could someone please explain to me a) why we are still there, and b) why we keep pouring billions of dollars of aid into an “ally” that is actively sabotaging us? The attackers of the Kabul embassy were in close contact with Pakistani intelligence before and during the attack. The cell phone data proves it.

    The phones had been used to call Pakistani intelligence operatives before and during the assault. This evidence lies behind the charge made by Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the Haqqani network is a “veritable arm” of Pakistani intelligence, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports.

    The attack on the U.S. Embassy and NATO’s Afghan headquarters resulted in a 22-hour firefight – with American troops pinned down on roof tops…

    Two days before that, U.S. intelligence intercepted communications that the Haqqani network was sending a large truck filled with explosives into Afghanistan. Gen. John Allen, the commander in Afghanistan, called Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the commander of Pakistan’s army and former head of Pakistani intelligence, and asked Kiyani to head off the attack. According to U.S. officials, Kayani promised to “make a call,” but the truck continued into Afghanistan and exploded on the anniversary of 9/11.

    Cut off aid, and get the fuck out of that godforsaken dirtpile. NOW.

  150. This was good from h4t, so I’m bringing it over. Will comment later.

    U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
    Federal budget: $3,820,000,000,000
    New debt: $1,650,000,000,000
    National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
    Recent [April] budget cut: $38,500,000,000

    Let’s remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget:

    Annual family income: $21,700
    Money the family spent: $38,200
    New debt (this year) on the credit card: $16,500
    Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
    Budget cuts: $385

  151. I’ve just reread what the current post had to say about Elizabeth Warren, [sorry admin, I did forget she was included there] and this is what bothers me:
    she has emerged from nowhere


    She hasn’t been a politician. She’s been in a job about actions, not words and photo-ops.

  152. This is “making excuses for the perps?” Waxman says he is suspicious of them and will get the information in some way.


    “Waxman said he would talk to Upton “to find alternate ways for us to get that information. I think it’s important for Congress to do the investigation. I’m particularly concerned because the CEO of Solyndra met with me in July and said they were doing very well economically, they were going to double their revenues. Then a month later they declared bankruptcy. That makes me wonder what kind of misrepresentation they might have made to the administration.”

    Oh-No! When a Congressman starts finding excuses for the perps

  153. OT, and I know it’s not very likely, but I would love for Herman to win the FL straw poll, just to watch Morgan Freeman’s head explode.

    What seems to be happening is this: A lot of delegates came to Orlando planning to vote for Rick Perry. But Perry’s poor performance at Thursday night’s Fox News-Google debate gave them pause and re-opened the question of whom they will support. And many of the conservatives who were attracted to Perry will, when asked for a second choice, naturally gravitate to Cain, who, it just happens, had a particularly good debate on Thursday. So with Perry not commanding the loyalty he did just 48 hours ago, Cain appears to be picking up support.

    Could Cain actually win? It seems unlikely, but it’s an outside possibility. Cain’s fortunes depend on whether the delegates here decide to vote strategically — to support the candidate they consider the most likely to win the Republican nomination and go on to general-election victory — or to vote their principles and let practical matters work themselves out later. If the delegates go the latter route, a lot will choose Herman Cain.

  154. h4t at
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I don’t have time for detailed answers right now. But what you’re saying here goes behond ‘social engineering’ into psychologicl manipulation.

  155. Want govt to do research, and grants, and museums, and arts, etc? OK, then is everyone willing to cough up to help fund it? Want a green energy program funded by govt? Okay, are YOU willing to help pay for that?


    Okay, here’s a suggestion. On each tax return, have a list of all these possible expenses and LET EACH PAYER DECIDE what percent of HIS payment to give each one. And NONE of his money goes for anything else.

    And a lot of lines for him to write in stuff that isn’t in the list.

    And ENFORCE this. His money really goes where he says. NONE elsewhere.

  156. mmm… chickens coming home to ROOST!

    Cracks appear in Obama’s Chicago base

    President Barack Obama’s Chicago-based re-election campaign has a hometown problem: the donors and volunteers who have lost interest after launching his run for the White House four years ago.

    The glow of the epochal election of the nation’s first African-American president has faded amid a dramatic fall in the president’s popularity, a persistently lousy economy and an administration that has been less transformative than promised.

    And among Jewish contributors, a bulwark of his local donor base, some have been turned off by Mr. Obama’s call for Israel to give up part of its territory.

    Other key supporters, while remaining loyal, are dispirited by the turn of events.

    “Oh, it’s going to be much tougher this time,” says Chicago art dealer Paul Gray, who rounded up as much as $800,000 for the first Obama presidential campaign. “There’s a lot of people who are pretty depressed; there are some who are aggressively negative about Obama himself.”

    Without a primary contest, other fundraisers are waiting to see whom the Republicans nominate, or they’re simply weary of asking other people to contribute. Some donors feel underappreciated by the White House for the work they did in 2007 and 2008 supplying a crucial, outsized portion of the campaign’s seed money. (yup, the $5 donors have evaporated)

    The mood was anxious and troops restive last week at a political action committee breakfast here hosted by U.S. Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill. “It was a tough crowd,” says William Brandt, chairman of the Illinois Finance Authority.

    David Axelrod, the Obama campaign’s chief strategist, doesn’t sugarcoat his task: “There are strong headwinds. No one has any illusions that this would be an easy race.”

    That includes raising money: Mr. Obama’s home-state tallies so far are below where they were at this point in the last election cycle, when, unlike now, he faced a slugfest in the primary. As of June 30, Mr. Obama had raised $1.5 million from individual donors in Illinois, compared with $7.5 million by June 30, 2007. Overall in 2008, the $43.1 million in donations from Illinois for Mr. Obama ranked third behind California ($124.1 million) and New York ($75.7 million).

    Besides financial supporters, campaigns also need enthusiastic volunteers like Mr. Gray and his wife, De, who spent several weeks campaigning for Mr. Obama in Iowa and three other states and plan to be active again.

    “No one gets elected from having a dissatisfied, discouraged base that does not come out in good numbers,” says Chicago-based political consultant Greg Goldner, who managed Mayor Richard M. Daley’s 2007 re-election campaign.

    ( check-out the nimrods still working in his campaign. they don’t look like they’re feeling it- like they did in 08′)

    Operations at the Obama campaign’s Prudential Building headquarters are jelling 13 months before the election, led by campaign manager Jim Messina and other 2008 veterans.

    Kevin Conlon, a Chicago-based Democratic operative who was on the premises last week, says, “There were 15 to 20 people in the finance section making calls, where six weeks ago there were just two or three.”

    The campaign will get a hometown publicity boost from a scheduled $35,800-a-plate fundraiser next month headlined by billionaire investor Warren Buffett and hosted by Mr. Obama’s financial inner sanctum: former fundraising chair Penny Pritzker, James Crown, John Rogers Jr. and others.

    “The core believers are still there,” says Mr. Rogers, chairman of Chicago-based Ariel Investments LLC. “I’m out there making calls.”

    But others, like local Democratic activist Michael Bauer, are sitting this one out, at least until there’s a Republican nominee to bash, he says, asserting that working on three consecutive presidential campaigns has taken a toll.

    h.. w…

    ( Obama’s glum approval rating and his highest dis-approval numbers detailed on a (graph) polling survey. )

    Meanwhile, some avid Obama donors, especially those accustomed to Clinton-style schmoozing, are feeling taken for granted.

    “My wife and I maxed out, and a lot of people in our firm maxed out,” says attorney Joseph Power. He and others at Chicago-based Power Rogers & Smith P.C. gave a total of $100,017 for the Obama inaugural festivities, third-highest among law firms.

    Since then, silence from the administration. “In three years, frankly, I haven’t really heard from them,” Mr. Power says.

    Incumbency advantages will help the Obama campaign rake in money for what is expected to be the first billion-dollar presidential race. In an effort to break a stalemate with Congress and energize his core supporters, the president this month took on a more partisan tone.

    After deficit-reduction talks forced Mr. Obama to skip fundraising events last summer, Mr. Axelrod says donations have picked up, with “an explosion” of smaller gifts. The campaign has been advertising for social-media staffers, who will connect it to the type of younger volunteers and donors who bolstered the last campaign.

    Still, Mr. Axelrod predicts that the Obama campaign will be outspent by GOP interests. He won’t say what the campaign expects to report for the three-month period that ends this week.

    Mickey Gaynor, a retired lawyer in Chicago who raised at least $50,000 for Mr. Obama four years ago, is ready to do so again—amid those strong headwinds.

    “I don’t think he’s done as good a job as he might have,” Mr. Gaynor says. “I am a little surprised. He had a reputation for being a great communicator, and, as president, I think he’s fallen short on that. I think he’s just now realizing he’s got to change his tune on that because it’s going nowhere.”

    h… w…

    (pie chart denoting differences in the scale of contributions which are way off from 07′ compared with 11′)

    Contributions or lack thereof SPEAK VOLUMES as a barometer of VOTER support-

  157. apparently the Obama campaign is already lowering fundraising expectations for this quarter. Severely down from what i’ve heard and read.

  158. Results Herman Cain 37% Perry 15% Romney 14%

    and Romney could not even get into 2nd place after all the messups from his debates. Thats hilarious.

  159. HillaryforTexas
    September 24th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    OT, and I know it’s not very likely, but I would love for Herman to win the FL straw poll, just to watch Morgan Freeman’s head explode.


    HFT…you get your wish…Herman Cain wins the Fl Straw poll with 37%, Perry and Romney far behind…

    fwiw, i have been thinking the same thing…there goes the whole racism BS with Cain on the ticket…then what will O and the Liberal racists do…complain that Hermain Cain is not “black” enough…or not the “right kind of black”?


    OT…but unless Bill and Daley are going to read O the riot act and start talking about him gracefully leaving the race, then I am not down with Bill golfing with O and giving him cover…and sorry to say, but if O is the candidate it will make me physically ill to see Bill and Hillary campaign for O…which i think they will if O is the candidate…that will be too over the top for me…that cannot happen…

  160. S, unless Sarah gets in , I would LOVE for Herman Cain to win the GOP nomination. Just the popcorn factor alone would be amazing.

    And I actually like him. I don’t agree with him on a lot, and he is veeeeery weak on foreign policy knowledge, but I like him a lot.

  161. I’m laughing at Romney, he really needed a win or something decisive in Florida, nada, he is showing nothing of being able to carry the south which is what i would be very afraid with Romney.

  162. I hear you HFT…I am thinking Cain has a chance at the VP slot…I love when he said…”people don’t need any more speeches….we need solutions”…I would love to see Cain school O on his “do nothing presidency” and tell him the gig is up…we can all see that all you having been doing is reading speeches for the last three years…

  163. S

    Well, I keep saying I don’t agree with him on some stuff, but then I don’t agree with ANY republican on a lot of stuff, so that’s a moot point. But it’s going to take an R to get rid of the boob, so if it’s going to be an R, Cain is okay.

    At least I think he’s a stand-up, honest, solutions-oriented, normal guy. I like him as a person. That’s better than I can say for a lot in the R field.

  164. Finally,people in the UK are standing up to the Extremist

    Moderate Muslims Rally Against Extremism in London

    Thousands of Muslims gathered in London on Saturday at a rally “to fight extremism and promote a moderate, inclusive version of Islam.”

    The event’s organizers, Minhaj-ul-Quran International, said prior to the event that some 12,000 Muslims are expected at Wembley Arena. The group’s founder, Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, told journalists that killing innocents is forbidden in Islam and Muslims must integrate into the societies in which they are living.


    I would like to see a lot more of this. No one can make the changes in that community but themselves. Prayers for their safety and success.

  166. Why is Bill golfing with Obama after how Obama treated Hillary and ruined his reputation in the African American community? Unforgivable imo.

  167. So do you all think…Cain/Palin against Obama/Clinton???? Personally I’m glad that Perry is losing support…couldn’t happen to a nicer guy…

    Maybe they are discussing Bill’s new book while playing golf…..maybe?

    Personally I can’t wait to buy it…LOL!

  168. #
    September 24th, 2011 at 7:03 pm


    I would like to see a lot more of this. No one can make the changes in that community but themselves. Prayers for their safety and success.

    Yes, they are finally waking up to the danger these radicals present to their way of life- When they start pushing Sharia Law as their own law rather than existing laws in the UK- It’s time to set them straight!
    September 24th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Why is Bill golfing with Obama after how Obama treated Hillary and ruined his reputation in the African American community? Unforgivable imo.

    It’s the way the political game is played. Politics is a Bloodsport. If you are easily offended and think holding palpable grudges will get you anywhere politically- it just won’t happen.

    I don’t think Bill or Hillary will ever campaign for Obama again because I don’t think he will be the Dem nominee.. There is a little over a year left to the next election and the closer we get to 2012 the more obvious it becomes Obama’s chances of beating a Republican opponent are slim to none-

    We’re not interested in the bottom of the barrel Republicans becoming the next president. There is only one candidate that can win this election by a huge majority, and that is Hillary Clinton. She will be drafted as the Dem Nominee for 2012 and she will be our next president as sure as night follows day.

  169. jeswezey,

    Thanks for good math. 😉 And good sense!


    H4t said:
    “43.4 million people filed a return and paid nothing. If every one of those paid even 50 bucks in taxes, that would be 2.17 TRILLION dollars in annual revenue.”

    No, that would be $2.17 Billion, as in $2170 Million or $2,170,000,000. Chickenfeed in the Federal or even a large corporation budget.
    Rather than squabble about how little or how much low-earners can or should pay, there is reason to support the Tobin tax, or “Wall Street Sales Tax” of 1% that could arguably bring in over a trillion dollars a year. Furthermore, it would slow down Wall Street trading in fictitious instruments, which would be a blessing in itself.

  170. hrt,

    Actually, if you’d be satisfied with collecting from the people who file just to get their refunds but owe nothing (instead of “making EVERYONE pay”), that at least wouldn’t lose money in processing. You could just cut some amount from each refund.

  171. Mrs. Smith,
    Politics is a “blood sport” and you can say that again….

    It is interesting that they are playing golf….someone on FB said they were playing for the nomination….LOL!

    I’m sure Bill is counseling the doofcock on how he ain’t gonna win….so he might as well do the “LBJ” ASAP…so Hillary can get some skin in the game before its too late…..

    When did LBJ throw in the towel…wasn’t it in September???

  172. Can anyone recommend a good source on “Fair Tax”.


    Anything with a name like that is probably going to be just the opposite. Like “Patroit Act.”

  173. Found it!

    Jordan to Oppose PA Statehood Bid
    The Hashemite kingdom plans to oppose the Palestinian Authority bid for statehood at the United Nations in September.

    Last Update: 6/29/2011, 9:33 PM

    The Hashemite kingdom will vote against the Palestinian Authority’s bid for a unilateral declaration of statehood by the United Nations in September, UAE-based al-Bayan reported Wednesday.
    “Jordan’s top national interests will be in danger if the Palestinian Authority declares statehood unilaterally – especially in everything related to the issue of refugees, water, Jerusalem, and the borders,” a senior jordanian official told the paper on condition of anonymity.

    The high-ranking official added a unilateral PA declaration of statehood at this time would be in Israel’s best interest, as it wants the state to be established “within the borders of the separation fence” – a move that would effectively erase the border between the Jordan and Judea and Samaria, which the kingdom vehemently rejects.

    Israel, however, has made it clear it intends to maintain control of the Jordan Valley – and with it the Israeli side of the Jordan river – as a necessary security buffer, leading some observers to suggest Aman is mischaracterizing Israel’s stance in order to dilute criticism of looking after its own interests vis-a-vis the PA.

    The decision to oppose the PA statehood bid is, according to the official, “the beginning of the exposure of Jordan’s decision to publicly stand its ground before Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas”.

    Jordan is reportedly also preparing to cancel identification papers provided for PA statesmen and their families in conformity to a 1988 decision by Jordan “to disengage from the West Bank and maintain Palestinian identity”.

    Observers, however, note the decision to cancel the identity cards now underscores the deterioration of relations between the Palestinian Authority and Jordan, also evidenced by the PAs decision to favor Egypt over Jordan as mediator in the recent Hamas-Fatah unity talks.

  174. new developments abound- after Abbas makes a fool of himself!

    The Beginning of the End of Oslo?

    Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday demanded a renegotiation of key aspects of the Oslo Accords.

    By David Lev
    9/24/2011, 11:10 PM

    Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday demanded a renegotiation of key aspects of the Oslo Accords, claiming that the agreement had prevented the PA economy from expanding as much as it could have. At issue is the Paris Agreement, which set up the system whereby Israel collects customs and taxes for the PA, and in return allows PA Arabs to work in Israel.

    “We want to reopen the Paris Agreement and make changes to it,” Abbas told reporters as he returned to Ramallah from Washington. “The agreement is not fair and there are restrictions on Palestinians that prevent our economy from growing and prospering. The Paris Agreement does not give us the opportunity to develop our economy and our country.” Sources in Jerusalem said that Israel may consider renegotiating the Paris Agreement, and other components of the Oslo Accords as well.

    Abbas’ statement came out of fear that Israel would take action against the PA for its failed statehood bid. Speaking Friday, a top official in the Prime Minister’s Office, Liran Dan, said that the government was considering placing sanctions on the PA, including abrogating several previously signed agreements. In an interview with Army Radio, Dan said that Israel was considering several steps that might be implemented as a response to the UN bid. The government will discuss these options when Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu returns to Israel.

    With that, Dan said, he believed that Israel and the PA would resume negotiations in the coming weeks.

    Congressional officials in the U.S. have also threatened tp slap sanctions on the PA and withhold some or all of the $500 million the PA receives in American foreign aid annually. Last week, the PA’s top monetary official warned that a cessation of foreign aid from the United States could lead to fiscal ruin and collapse. “”Really, the risk of a PA collapse is very real under the financial strain, without US assistance without donor assistance in general,” Palestinian Monetary Authority Governor Jihad al-Wazir said.

  175. jbstonesfan
    September 24th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    They were probably discussing Bill’s recent slapdown of Obama’s proposal to raise taxes during this recession.

  176. 9/24/2011

    Obama’s Incoherent Economic Policy-Making

    The only conclusion you can reach from reading Ron Suskind’s “Confidence Men,” an informal history of Wall Street and the White House under Barack Obama, is one of childish rivalries, a lack of decisiveness and follow-through — in short a chapter in White House Amateursville and morale-killing that had nothing to do with the Tea Party Republicans. The tragedy reads like a series of self-inflicted wounds..

    Here are my eye-brow raising discoveries:

    Obama believed that hiring Larry Summers and Tim Geithner to rein in Wall Street was equivalent to FDR putting Joseph Kennedy, the swashbuckling scion of the Kennedy clan, in charge of the SEC in 1933.

    Even as Wall Street and the markets were still bleeding in early 2009, President Obama blithely decided to take on 3 great legislative challenges at once; the economic crisis, the restructuring of Wall Street, and most demanding of all– health care reform. Seemingly, no one tried to stop him from this overweening naive course of action.

    In order to get the health care bill through, Obama took off the table “proposals to significantly reduce health-care costs.” That’s right; The President let the health insurance companies have their way to get the bill through. It’s a shameful episode as several leading Senators have told me separately.

    Obama did little or nothing to rein in Summers’ “imperious and heavy-handed direction of the economic policy process.” Nor did he keep after Geithner when the Treasury lagged in following his directions. Obama submitted to Geithner’s view on regulation that was described as “bank-friendly.” Wall Street was in charge, not Obama.

    Here’s Suskind on the way it was in the White House. “Decisions were left unmade ; policies drifted without direction. It wasn’t a matter of intellectual framing… The problem was in guiding the analysis toward what a president is paid, and elected, to do: make tough decisions.”

    And an extraordinary lack of judgement. Obama believed unemployment was being driven by productivity gains in the economy. Both Summers and Christina Romer– usually enemies– knew the cause of unemployment was “clearly deficient aggregate demand.” They tried to convince Obama– but “He wouldn’t budge.”

  177. Barack Obama’s UN speech sounded like a second-rate university lecture

    By Nile Gardiner
    September 21st, 2011

    After watching President Obama’s 40-minute address to the United Nations General Assembly this morning, I think the White House should seriously consider hiring a new team of speechwriters. There was little depth or direction to this muddled speech, which seemed to meander from one foreign policy topic to another without really saying anything of substance. In fact it came across as several speeches cobbled together in haphazard fashion, with the president trying to appeal to a multitude of different audiences at the same time. This was more like a professorial address by a university lecturer than a speech by the leader of the free world.

    Even the assembled world leaders, used to hearing some of the most dire speeches in history during UN meetings, seemed lulled into a state of suspended animation as the president droned on. Strikingly, there was not one applause line in the entire speech, and a deathly, sceptical silence greeted the most powerful figure on earth.

    George W. Bush was hardly popular at the UN when he was president, but the assembled international elites did listen intently to what he had to say, and the dictators and tyrants who gathered in Turtle Bay genuinely feared him. In the case of his successor, I very much doubt that America’s enemies on the world stage were quaking in their boots when he took to the podium today. There was no real projection of American power in Obama’s words, and he instead offered a great deal of internationalist mush in its place.

    The president’s speech was hopelessly naive in parts, with constant reference to the ideals of the United Nations, despite the world body’s appalling track record from Rwanda to the Balkans, and endless rhetoric about why “peace is hard work”. While extolling the dream of a nuclear-free world, the Iranian nuclear crisis received only a cursory mention from the president, despite the imminent threat of a nuclear-armed genocidal rogue state emerging in the Middle East. There was no indication given today that the Obama administration will stand up to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in his relentless drive to build Tehran into a regional superpower.

    On the Israeli-Palestinian issue there was the usual drawing of moral equivalence between the two sides, which has become a hallmark of the Obama approach to the matter. While the president used harsher language than usual in describing the threats Israel faces from its neighbours, his speech will do little to convince Israel’s government that he is a truly reliable friend. Although the president seemingly tried to avoid overtly insulting the Israelis on this particular occasion, something he has done several times in the past, he placed great emphasis on painting the two sides of the dispute as complete equals in the eyes of Washington, declaring that “the deadlock will only be broken when each side learns to stand in each other’s shoes.”

    Barack Obama’s approach to the Israeli-Palestinian question is symbolic of broader problems in this administration’s foreign policy, not least a striking refusal to stand firmly with America’s allies, something we have seen in the case of Britain as well. Indeed, his speech as a whole today will do little to challenge the image of a presidency content to “lead from behind” in an increasingly dangerous world, while muddling through one international crisis after another. Under Obama’s leadership, the world’s only superpower looks short of confidence, while her adversaries from Tehran to Moscow and Beijing grow stronger and more assertive. A world without strong American leadership should be unthinkable, but under the current US presidency we already getting a taste of it.

  178. Not sure if this has already been posted…

    Poll: 56% Say Obama Is Worse Or As Bad As Bush

    Saturday, 24 Sep 2011

    A new poll matches up Barack Obama against George W. Bush to see who has done a better job as President.

    The USA Today/Gallop Poll says only 43% rate Obama as a better President while 34% say Obama is worse than Bush in the White House. 22% say the two President are about the same.

    Experst say this poll could cause serious damage for President Obama in the upcoming election as many Americans held the Bush presidency with disenchantment.

    The Gallup Poll analysis also points out that Obama needs to convince voters that the country is better off now than it was when Bush was in office.

    The USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 7 out of 10 Americans blame Bush either a lot or a good amount for the current economic issues, however, the same poll found that 53% directed blame at Obama for the economy.

    The Gallup Poll compared Obama to former President Bill Clinton; only 12% said they believe Obama is doing a better job than Bill Clinton. Only 20% of Democrats who were polled said Obama tops Clinton where 51% said they were about the same.

    Obama, to no one’s surprise, took a big hit by Republicans with just 9% saying he has been a better President than Bush. Independents in the poll provided a better rating at 33%, although that number still isn’t that encouraging for the incumbent President.

  179. confloyd
    September 24th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Mrs. Smith,
    Politics is a “blood sport” and you can say that again…

    Politics is a blood sport- you heal your wounds and move on, hopefully to a better repositioning dealing from strength rather than weakness. Defeat is not humiliation. Defeat is a spur- When you have your eyes on a goal each setback merely intensifies your desire to win.-

    Obama has badly over played his hand. His proposed recycled policies have not been well received by the public. An opponent disturbed is an opponent weakened as illustrated daily by his plummeting poll numbers.

    When did LBJ throw in the towel?

    Not sure, I’m thinking August..

  180. Hear! Hear!
    Mrs. Smith
    September 24th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
    We’re not interested in the bottom of the barrel Republicans becoming the next president. There is only one candidate that can win this election by a huge majority, and that is Hillary Clinton.
    She will be drafted as the Dem Nominee for 2012 and she will be our next president as sure as night follows day.

  181. When did LBJ throw in the towel?

    Last day of March ’68, a few weeks after NH primary, in which he lost losta ground to McCarthy. Bobby Kennedy announced just after the NH primary. VP Vice President Hubert Humphrey then entered, replacing LBJ as rep of the Chicago [Daley] faction of the Dem party.

  182. HillaryforTexas
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
    … and accidentally says…… Jew.


    IMO, It isn’t a matter of his prejudices or views toward any grouping of the world’s peoples, however or whatever such may be in his muddled mind. The important thing is that he is not competent to hold the office of President. Here, he can’t even get in synch with his damned teleprompter.

    He is not competent, and impeachable and prosecutable (along with Bush-Cheney) on many counts. Too many cowards; he should be forced out of office, now.

  183. Sorry, … Get it accurately about Kennedy this time… quoting Wikipedia:

    “After much speculation and reports leaking out about his plans, and seeing in McCarthy’s success that Johnson’s hold on the job was not as strong as originally thought, Kennedy declared his candidacy on March 16, 1968 … “

    Somebody states a warning and points to solutions.

    Argentine President Cristina Fernandez De Kirchner dedicated the first half of her 30-minute speech before the U.N. General Assembly to the global financial crisis.

    “Exactly eight years ago, in this same forum and from this same podium, the President of my country, Dr. Nestor Carlos Kirchner… stated that Argentina had fallen into default in 2001, and that it had levels of close to a quarter of the population out of work, and levels of indigence and poverty above 50%. He argued for the necessity, back at that time, of reforming the multilateral credit institutions, especially the International Monetary Fund…

    “Over the last 8 years, Argentina has restructured its debt, reducing it from 160% of GDP to less than 30%. The levels of poverty and indigence have fallen to single digits, and we still have to continue fighting. We have an unemployment rate which is one of the lowest ever…

    “In 2003, we dedicated 2% of our GDP to education and 5% to pay the debt. Today Argentina dedicates 6.47% of its GDP to education and 2% of its GDP to paying the debt…

    “Argentina does not intend to present itself as a model or an example for anybody, but we do intend to reaffirm the need to formulate clear rules regarding the transfer of capital, regarding financial speculation…

    “When you look at the growth of global financial stocks as a proportion of global GDP, that is, of the goods and services we produce as a group of citizens and businesses around the world, you can clearly see why we are dealing with a world in which there seems to be no brake on speculation… There is a formidable spread between what we produce, and what is in what I call the ‘Enter’ economy, because in fact if we try to find those assets, it’s just a matter of hitting ‘Enter’ on a computer and they are transferred from one place to another, from one currency to another, producing volatility such as has never been seen in the markets, as well as recurring crises where the stock markets rise and fall daily, creating a destruction of thousands of jobs, but also phenomenal profits which somebody carts off…

    “Unfortunately, we are in the same situation [as two years ago], because other than changes which I characterize as entirely cosmetic, nothing of substance has been done about needed regulation… And when these political transformations occur as a result of great economic crises, there are experiences that I won’t mention, where totalitarianism has arisen many times during the 20th Century as a result of crises that have not been adequately solved based on politics.”

    Although it fell short of a necessary call for Glass- Steagall, the speech attacked speculative finance and defended what Argentina itself had been able to accomplish after defaulting on its $160 billion debt in 2001. Given that everyone is now talking about the Argentine example, and whether or not there is “life after default,” her speech was useful.


  185. “…when these political transformations occur as a result of great economic crises, there are experiences that I won’t mention, where totalitarianism has arisen many times during the 20th Century as a result of crises that have not been adequately solved based on politics.” – Argentine President Cristina Fernandez De Kirchner, above post


    All three branches of government corrupted or ideologically captured.

    A nation engaged militarily in at least 6 different countries.

    Austerity being imposed on the people.

    24/7 secret surveillance of the people.

    Extra-judicial murder and black sites.

    The legislative process engaged in only input of the few rather than the many.

    Millions of citizens unemployed and underemployed, lacking basic health care or economic futures.

    Education and science increasingly without support; devolution of development.

    Millions incarcerated.

    A system of justice that is largely open only to those with money and power.

    A system of justice increasingly no longer defined in terms of “human justice”.

    A nation and institutions that care little for the unalienable human rights they were founded upon.

    It is a very difficult reality to face, but it is reality.


    The demonstration has been more than a week now.

    A woman identifying herself as an unemployed New Yorker and a mother was just saying she’d like all unemployed NYers who are able, to join the protest for just a while. She talked about mothers should step forward and tell police, “No violence. That’s my child.” A young man from this live-stream crew stepped forward and hugged her. Then a young lady.

    Arrests, Camps, Daily Marches – Wall Street Protest Continues
    September 22, 2011

    Last Saturday, over 2000 people marched toward Wall Street in New York City to express anger at the American financial system, which they believe works solely to benefit the wealthy, and is propagated on the backs of the rest of the population.

    As stated on the coordinating website Occupy Wall Street: “The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99 Percent that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the one percent”.

  188. tdo 5:01 am
    WPIX (local NYC) was interviewing near demo. Last response they aired was from a well-groomed passerby who suggested they all get jobs.
    New topic: US Senate race in Indiana. Richard Mourdock vs Dick Lugar RINO.
    [email]I wanted you to be the first to know. Our campaign was just endorsed by a historic coalition of Tea Party groups from all over Indiana! This is a game changer….

    A separate endorser is Sharron Angle who sent me an email the other day. I guess Sharron is working for the cause in a manner similar to Sarah Palin.

  189. ha! ha! Taking assorted comments and compiling them into America’s frustration with President Bamboozler.

    PLAYTIME for Obama. Golfing with Bill Clinton- Who WON?

    After bragging about the American built “intercontinental railroad” Obama decided he was tired and needed a break. He was also ticked off that Bill Clinton destroyed him over raising taxes in this lousy economy. Country in shambles, stocks plunge 773 points in a week, Obama goes golfing for 82nd time, with Bill Clinton.

    Obama is leaving for the left coast tomorrow. He’ll hold 7 fundraisers in a couple of days. Don’t worry there’s a townhall Monday or as it’s better known, the Pass This Bill campaign rally.

    Before leaving for his Campaign Holiday raking in campaign dough-nations. Obama cracks the whip on his Black supporters.

    Obama tells blacks to ‘stop complainin’ and fight

    WASHINGTON — In a fiery summons to an important voting block, President Barack Obama told blacks on Saturday to quit crying and complaining and “put on your marching shoes” to follow him into battle for jobs and opportunity.

    And though he didn’t say it directly, for a second term, too.

    Obama’s speech to the annual awards dinner of the Congressional Black Caucus was his answer to increasingly vocal griping from black leaders that he’s been giving away too much in talks with Republicans — and not doing enough to fight black unemployment, which is nearly double the national average at 16.7 percent.

    “It gets folks discouraged. I know. I listen to some of y’all,” Obama told an audience of some 3,000 in a darkened Washington convention center.

    But he said blacks need to have faith in the future — and understand that the fight won’t be won if they don’t rally to his side.

    “I need your help,” Obama said

  190. Abbas Turns Down Quartet, Demands Agreement before ‘Talks’
    Abbas, after rebuffing Obama, now rejects the Quartet’s proposal for resuming talks because it does not include pre-conditions.

    By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

    Abbas, after rebuffing President Barack Obama, now has taken on the Quartet and rejected its proposal for resuming talks with Israel because it does not include pre-conditions.

    The Quartet – the United States, United Nations, Russia and the European Union – set a timetable for an agenda for peace talks within a month and concrete proposals within three months. It also set the end of 2012 as a new deadline for an agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

    PA Foreign Minister Riad Maliki quickly rejected the idea as “incomplete” because it does not call on Israel to halt all development in Judea and Samaria and areas of Jerusalem claimed by the Palestinian Authority.

    The closest the Quartet came to satisfying Abbas’ demand for a halt to Israeli development was a statement that “the Quartet calls upon the parties to refrain from provocative actions if negotiations are to be effective. The Quartet reiterated the obligations of both parties under the road map.”

    “The only new thing that the Quartet carries is a time line for discussing the issues of security and borders,” Maliki said. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said he is considering the Quartet proposal and added he could consider another building freeze. “I am willing to talk about it,” he told CNN.

    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Sunday morning he thinks Israel should accept the Quartet’s latest attempt to bring Abbas back to the negotiating table.

    However, the Palestinian Authority effectively has rejected any compromise and wants Israel to agree in advance to its demands before sitting down for talks, which presumably would be aimed at simply signing an agreement.


    Idea of Flotilla for Hamas Begins to Sink


    Israel has threatened sanctions against journalists taking part in the pro-Hamas flotilla, which already has been whittled down following American pressure.

    The Government Press Office said Sunday that any journalist on one of the ships scheduled to sail Tuesday for Israel will be barred from entering the country for 10 years.

    GPO director Oren Helman wrote the foreign journalists that he flotilla is “a dangerous provocation that is being organized by western and Islamic extremist elements to aid Hamas.”

    He continued, “I would like to make it clear to you and to the media that you represent, that participation in the flotilla is an intentional violation of Israeli law and is liable to lead to participants being denied entry into the State of Israel for 10 years, to the impounding of their equipment and to additional sanctions.”

    It was not clear if Israel would take away the credentials of Amira Hass, the Haaretz journalist who once lived in Gaza, now is based near Ramallah and whose articles routinely castigate Israel. Police arrested her two years ago after she sailed to Gaza on a pro-terrorist boat and last year she was arrested again “for violating the law which forbids residence in an enemy state.”

    She wrote Sunday, “There are about 50 of us, men and women, due to sail on the Tahrir, whose name is a reference to the Cairo square where protests earlier this year led to the downfall of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s regime. Several hundred other activists, from about 20 countries, and several dozen journalists are currently preparing to set sail for Gaza.”

    Her hopes for a large flotilla, if any, seem to be dwindling. Greece has postponed permission for a ship to sail following a complaint last week challenging the safety of the ship that is to sail from its ports. Cyprus already has banned the planned sailings to Hamas-controlled Gaza, and Turkey effectively blocked the Mavi Marmara ship from sailing from it ports through bureaucratic delays.

    The United States has strongly condemned the flotilla effort that is being staged to challenge Israel’s maritime blockade against Hamas. The United Nations has stated there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and all goods and merchandise can be sent to Gaza overland through Egyptian and Israel crossings.

    Israel has imposed the blockade to stop the smuggling of weapons, primarily from Iran and Syria, into Gaza. Hass downplayed the reason Sunday, writing, “The new flotilla has been organized by a coalition of organizations, all of which refuse to accept the Israeli argument that the Gaza Strip is no longer besieged and that if there is a siege, it is only because of the arms Hamas has been smuggling into the territory [emphasis added].”

    The Netanyahu government launched a strong diplomatic offensive several weeks ago to try to prevent any chance of a repeat of last year’s clash with Turkish-based terror activists aboard the Mavi Marmara. The terror activists brutally assaulted Navy commandos as they reached the deck after rappeling down ropes from a hovering helicopter.

    Nine of the terrorists were killed before the commandos were able to take control of the Mavi Marmara. It later was discovered that the boat was not carrying any humanitarian aid, and Israel confiscated videos that proved that the IHH-terror linked activists were planning for an armed confrontation.

    h.. w..

  191. ohanson
    September 25th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Thanks, ohanson for taking the time to look up when LBJ bowed out- March/68. A good candidate for a Jeopardy answer..

  192. Memo to Left: You’re right; Obama has to go

    President Obama is facing an internal revolt. Liberals are openly considering a primary challenge for the Democratic presidential nomination. Ralph Nader, a big-government maverick and former Green Party candidate, recently called for a group of left-leaning Democrats to run. If a prominent opponent emerges, Mr. Obama’s re-election efforts would be fatally crippled.

    It is not just conservatives who are angry with Mr. Obama. Radicals are also seething. They view him as shallow and inept. After once deifying him as the liberal messiah, they feel betrayed — by both his incompetence and his deviations from socialist priorities.

    In their eyes, Mr. Obama has abandoned key leftist causes. He extended the George W. Bush-era tax cuts. He agreed to leave the public option out of his massive health care overhaul. He has backed away (for now) from pushing “cap-and-trade” legislation. He failed to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. And he has not dismantled corporate power; rather, through huge bailouts and the acceptance of lucrative campaign donations, Mr. Obama has developed a cozy relationship with Wall Street. He talks like a class-warfare populist, but he governs like a liberal corporatist.

    His model is not George McGovern or even Jimmy Carter but Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini. Mr. Obama’s goal is to erect a corporatist state. He seeks to fuse big government, big business and big labor under a centralized command-and-control system.

    For anti-war progressives, Mr. Obama’s most salient failures have been in foreign policy. He has kept Guantanamo Bay open. The Bush-inspired national security apparatus — the Patriot Act, domestic surveillance of potential terrorist cells, and drone strikes in Pakistan — remains in place. Mr. Obama has ordered more aid to help Yemen fight Al Qaida insurgents. He wants to keep thousands of U.S. forces in Iraq. He ordered a troop surge in Afghanistan, only to draw it down without giving it a real chance to work. He waged an illegal and unconstitutional war in Libya. In short, under Mr. Obama’s leadership, America’s military commitments have not been scaled back. They have expanded.

    Then there is the dismal economy, which is dragging the president’s poll numbers down. Unemployment is very high. Inflation is rising. Growth is anemic. The recovery is stalled; the economy may even be sliding into severe depression.

    None of this will change before the November 2012 elections. Nobody likes a loser — even ultraliberals.

    The writing is on the wall: Mr. Obama is heading toward a one-term presidency. He has been more than a failure. He has been a disaster. His Keynesian policies have not revived the economy. In fact, they have worsened the crisis, burying America under a mountain of debt. Our capitalist system is being crushed by statism. Iraq is drifting into Iran’s orbit. Afghanistan is splintering along tribal lines. It has become our longest war — with no end in sight. Libya is slowly falling to the Islamists. Rather than being deterred, radical Islam has become more emboldened and powerful.

    This is why the left should challenge Mr. Obama. A humiliating Democratic defeat in 2012 would discredit the entire liberal project. It would be a repeat of the Carter years. The malaise of the Carter administration stained liberalism for a generation. The same will happen with Mr. Obama: The liberal brand will become synonymous with economic sclerosis, political incompetence and decline abroad. It will set the stage for an era of Republican dominance.

    Yet Democrats could still snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. A strong run by a prominent anti-war leftist, such as former Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, would expose Mr. Obama’s soft underbelly — his plummeting popularity among the party’s base. Outside of blacks, key constituencies of the Democratic Party — feminists, labor unions, gays and lesbians, Hispanics and Jews — are frustrated with his performance. They hunger for another leader.

    That person is Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. A liberal candidate probably could win 37 percent, maybe even 40 percent of the vote, against Mr. Obama in Iowa or New Hampshire. Inexorable pressure would build for Mrs. Clinton to throw her hat into the ring, casting herself as the Democrats’ savior. If she were to run, she would beat Mr. Obama in a primary fight — thereby fundamentally altering the 2012 election landscape. The presidential campaign would be transformed from a probable Republican landslide to a horse race. A Hillary-Perry or Hillary-Romney face-off would not be easy for the GOP to win. In 1968, a similar event happened. President Lyndon B. Johnson faced domestic turmoil and the raging war in Vietnam. Even though he passed historic civil rights legislation and implemented welfare liberalism — Medicare, Medicaid and the war on poverty — the party’s left-wing base turned on him. When anti-war candidate Eugene McCarthy ran for the Democratic nomination, he stunned the liberal establishment with his early strong showing. This compelled popular Bobby Kennedy to enter the race. LBJ resigned rather than wage a grueling — and potentially losing — primary battle. Could Mr. Obama’s colossal and fragile ego handle a Hillary insurgency? No. Like LBJ, he would prefer to step down rather than endure a humiliating, almost historic rebuke.

    Mr. Obama is the LBJ of our time. Like LBJ, he sought to enact a vast big-government agenda. Like LBJ, he presided over socialism at home and nation-building abroad. Also like LBJ, he has become one of the most reviled and disastrous presidents in history. The left took down LBJ. It would be fitting if it did the same to Mr. Obama.

  193. admin: Super Spammy out to Lunch- after catching this article in the filter..please release..

    Good article about the Left tossing Obama. Also encouraging raves about Hillary as the next Dem nominee…

  194. “However, the Palestinian Authority effectively has rejected any compromise and wants Israel to agree in advance to its demands before sitting down for talks, which presumably would be aimed at simply signing an agreement.

    Abd we all have obama to thank for this “precondition” garbage in the first place.

  195. “Abbas Turns Down Quartet, Demands Agreement before ‘Talks’
    Abbas, after rebuffing Obama, now rejects the Quartet’s proposal for resuming talks because it does not include pre-conditions.”

    So Abbas has pre-conditions and Bibi doesn’t have any?

    I think Bibi has one big pre-condition of his own: Anything he does, says or wants must go unquestioned, if not applauded. Maybe Abbas should try that approach – sarcasm!

  196. Cain at foxnews, clipped:
    “The takeaway from Florida, that we took away, is that number one, the citizens movement is more powerful than the establishment wants to give me credit for.
    Herman, I’m in agreement because a similar opinion has been formulating within me as to just how immense the recent special elections – esp. NY were. I think the people madder than hell are absolutely focused on making certain the change they need to see occurs. I think no one owns them – not the repubs, the tea party, no one including you Herman – you’re a little self-serving there I think, but you are correct in this: the citizens’ movement IS more powerful than any establishment is willing to give it credit for.

    Let’s just keep doing what we are doing.

  197. Mrs. Smith
    September 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Wall Street Mocks Protesters By Drinking Champagne 2011


    If the balcony from which the Wall Streeters were laughing had suddenly collapsed, how many Americans would think it divine justice?

    I am by no means wishing it on the people on the balconies, just offering something to think about for a moment.

    Wish I could find the link re how many NYPD officers are in bad shape with mortgages and/or repossessions (lots)… How many NYPD patrolmen/women would think it divine justice? 😉

  198. The Dimocrats are out in force bashing Herman Cain. Booman says that the overwhelming vote for him in Florida was jsut a cover for the racey racey racists.

    What an ignorant, bigoted, hateful, small-minded, arrogant, sneering little pustule of self-congratulatory tribal xenophobia Booman is.

    I really hope he keeps talking, though, loud and proud. Along with the shit-for-brains Garafalo, who came out and said similar:

    “I believe Herman Cain is in this presidential race because he deflects the racism that is inherent in the Republican Party, the conservative movement, the tea party certainly

    I hope that what passes for the left in this country continues to make it very clear to the American public that to them Black = Democrat, and Woman = Democrat, and Gay = Democrat, and the only thing they really care about is their own political power. They have been using various groups for years as mere tools for their cause, and shitting all over those same minorities in the most racist, sexist, gay-bashing terms possible the moment they dare to stray from the Party Line.

    I hope they keep spouting this shit, I really do. The backlash is going to be something to behold, as they happily and stupidly rip their own masks off for all the public to see. This is not 1970, and the guilt scam is not going to work anymore.

    I find it ironic that it’s the supposed Liberals who are running around posting signs all over the conservative political water fountains, clearly reading “Whites Only”.

    Cain needs to get his negro ass back to his designated political fountain. That founding fathers-type, limited govt lunch counter is off limits for him. That’s not Republicans standing there to keep him out, that’s Booman and Garafalo barring the door: “Ain’t no black folk allowed up in here.”

  199. “The Netanyahu government… try to prevent any chance of a repeat of last year’s clash with Turkish-based terror activists aboard the Mavi Marmara. The terror activists brutally assaulted Navy commandos as they reached the deck after rappeling down ropes from a hovering helicopter.”

    See how it works? You’re branded a ‘terrorist’ because you ‘brutally assault’ commandos who are landing on your ship in international waters; it’s your fault if you get killed as the commandos appropriately defend themselves with modern weapons against sticks and fists.

    “Nine of the terrorists were killed before the commandos were able to take control of the Mavi Marmara. It later was discovered that the boat was not carrying any humanitarian aid, and Israel confiscated videos that proved that the IHH-terror linked activists were planning for an armed confrontation.”

    Now that’s a pile of spin that is only possible after people have forgotten the facts and the videos. The ships were carrying some aid, but aid which happens to be blacklisted by Israel, such as cement and pasta.

    The flotilla was mainly carrying people. It was also carrying slingshots marked “Hezbollah” in Latin lettering, which were caught and dwelled upon in the videos. The slingshots were a joke, pretty good David/Goliath irony, but the Israelis took them seriously because they know “Hezbollah” sends a shock wave through US audiences.

    There are rules for enforcing a blockade or seizing a ship, again based on the British experience:

    A warship pulls up alongside the offending vessel and sends semaphor, voice and/or radio signals telling the vessel to stop for boarding. The warship sends a volley across the offending vessel’s bow.

    Then a boarding party is sent on a launch, with a high-ranking officer and two adjutants, at least one of them fluent in the local language and all of them unarmed, plus a few lightly but conspicuously armed marines.

    Then the vessel itself lowers a ladder for the boarding, and the officer and adjutants climb up, leaving the marines in the launch. They communicate first and only with the commander of the vessel, state their business, and proceed with the search or seizure of the vessel, bringing the marines or other staff on board only if necessary.

    No one touches the officer, who takes effective command of the vessel for the duration of the seizure. This officer is completely unarmed, but is wearing all the insignias indicating that he is a representative of the British Navy, a heartbeat away from the Monarchy. Any violence done to this estimable personnage will result in Hell.To.Pay., so no violence is done and his reasonable orders are obeyed by the vessel’s crew.

    Compare this to Bibi’s approach: Surprise a vessel in the middle of the night on the high seas where there is no blockade, by sending in commandos armed to the teeth and dropping them one by one out of a helicopter onto a deck densely populated with angry civilians, with the captain nowhere to be seen. Even in a purely military analysis, this is about as stupid an operation as you can imagine. In fact, Bibi was heavily criticized by his own Likud for bungling the business militarily.

    Then there’s the spin of calling the civilians “terrorists”. By definition, a terrorist is someone who strikes terror into the hearts of others. Now, if I had been anywhere near that deck where the commandos landed, I would have been unarmed (as I always am) and terrified of the commandos, not the other civilians.

    So, while I’m not calling the commandos terrorists, I think it’s highly inappropriate to call the civilians, or the dead, terrorists.

  200. I’m fuming. It really makes me furious. How fucking bigoted is it to assume that black people aren’t capable of having the same range of political opinion and ideology, right or wrong, as anyone else? That if they espouse anything but their approved politics, they have to be assumed to be bought, or coerced, or self-hating, or anything other than a black dude with his own fucking brain and opinions who disagrees with you?

    You don’t have to agree with black conservatives to recognize that they are grown-assed adults with every right to any political opinion they please.

  201. …just asking…

    …after listening to the clips of O speaking…check that…screaming at the CBC as he condescended and reprimanded them last night…

    how many people do you think screamed to just “Shut UP” when the O TV clip was played today ?


    September 25th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I so agree with you…what an insult to any thinking individual…O shows no respect at all…he thinks he owns their support…

  202. O shows no respect at all…he thinks he owns their support…
    I swear O is sounding more and more like that goddam amerika preacher. We knew O was listening lo those 20 years.

  203. HillaryforTexas
    September 24th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    So Herman Cain just won the Florida Straw Poll.
    I laughed out loud when I heard that on the news this morning. Then the Today Show had blockhead David Gregory on to say that it didn’t mean anything and Romney or Perry was still going to win the nomination. The voters have no say in our politics anymore according to the MSM.

  204. S
    September 25th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    …just asking…

    …after listening to the clips of O speaking…check that…screaming at the CBC as he condescended and reprimanded them last night…

    how many people do you think screamed to just “Shut UP” when the O TV clip was played today ?

    I read the transcript- Obama related his lack of job creation and a stagnant economy identifying himself as Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement.

    Which are two distinctly different issues. He spoke to them as if they were to fight for the right to vote, and equal rights. He had them so confused they didn’t now which end was up by the time he finished his speech.

  205. Oh boy. Here it comes. Obie is pitting minorities against the tea party movement. On FoxNews this headline:
    Obama Recommits to fighting for minorities
    along with this:

    Obama Adviser: Shutdown Looms as GOP Bends to Will of Tea Party
    WASHINGTON — Republican leaders are putting the demands of 30 Tea Party members over 300 million Americans, a top White House adviser said Sunday, insisting that Congress pass a resolution to keep government functioning and approve President Obama’s jobs plan.
    Senior adviser David Plouffe, who managed the president’s 2008 campaign, said the Tea Party is controlling the debate in Congress, even as it comes close to a government shutdown over how to pay for disaster relief as part of a continuing resolution to keep government operating….

  206. what an insult to any thinking individual…O shows no respect at all…he thinks he owns their support…


    In 2007 someone asked Michelle why the blacks weren’t piling to Obama, and she said it was because of slavery, they were too downtrodden to know what was good for them.

  207. Thank you for posting that article, Turndown, about the demonstraton against Wall Street. I think Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein need to be in prison, and all the ill-gotten gains from these Wall Street execs seized to help pay America’s bills. What a bunch of scum.

    I also think the top 1 percent need to be paying much, much more in taxes. Ditto corporations.

  208. Well, at least she is openly admitting that the race card is a deliberate strategy, not truth:

    Sadly, NOT an exaggeration…

    Question: Will branding the tea party ‘racist’ work as a political strategy?

    [Berry’s] Answer: “Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.”

    Berry’s offensive and infuriating statements, while wholly unsurprising coming from a leftist, are thankfully not going unanswered. Project 21, the African-American conservative leadership network, offers this retort:

    “This is exactly the kind of thing that has irked me all of my adult life, to put it mildly,” said Project 21 member R. Dozier Gray. “This willful and purposeful use of the race card for nothing more than political gain is toxic to race relations, and Mary Frances Berry must know that. But she evidently does not care. Based on her comment, political posturing takes primacy over whatever real issues regarding race that she might pretend are her calling cards. I have seen this all before. I find it shameful.”

    BTW – GayPatriot is an excellent blog with extremely intelligent commenters. A lot more savvy and diverse group than, say, Log Cabin Rebublicans. If I want to get the views, beefs, and concerns of more conservative gay people (yeah, they DO exist), It’s where I go.

  209. The so-called “protest” against Wall Street is absurd – just an excuse for rich pampered NYU students to spout their meaningless, clueless drivel.

    Interesting that Blooma$$ predicted ‘riots’ just the other day and now, apparently,that’s what has spontaneously erupted in Manhattan? Give me a break.

    What a bunch of BS. Blooma$$ must have a hotline to the so-called professors teaching these POS worthless excuse-for-human beings.

    OK, I’m on a rant. I used to live near the site of the so-called protest and I know all too well how the area was gentrified (meaning real poor people pushed out) by NYU just for these spoiled rotten trustfund brats.

  210. I think the electorate still wants the same things done in 08 as it does now, and I think they are scared of the rethugs and more scared of Obama….they keep hoping for someone who can/has balanced the budget….she is married to the only President that did it….

    I hoping and waiting for the day she announces and “LBJ/BO” throws in the towels and gets behind her for the black vote…..many rethugs have personally told me she’s was/is the best candidate….but the ultra right wingers are going to have a stroke….

  211. LMAO!

    The clip posted at Drudge shows this young blonde bimbo in midriff halter top and tight pants protesting that all she has asked for from the NYP was not to be touched and she seemed Sooooooo mystified that handcuffing actually meant skin-to-skin contact.

    Let’s drop her – in the attire sported in the clip – into a street in Cairo or Benghazi or Misrata or in Egypt Square- anywhere the wonderful “Arab Spring” has sprung up -and see how her request is greeted.

    No doubt she’s a supporter of everything Muslim as well as an opponent to anything American.

  212. Morgan Freeman: ‘Racist’ Tea Party Doing Whatever it Can ‘to Get this Black Man Out of Here.

    Freeman setting the meme calling the T-Partyers RACISTS in this video from The Piers Morgan Show.

    h… (no w’s)

  213. Mrs. Smith
    September 25th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    What an odd expression on BO’s face- what is that?

    O M G – he’s blushing, he has a crush on Cuba Gooding.

  214. “O M G – he’s blushing, he has a crush on Cuba Gooding.”

    Like a high school girl collapsing in the arms of her sweetheart.

    The day before he was coining a new slogan:

    “I am a Warrior for the Middle Class.”

  215. I would have loved to have been a fly on a golf cart at the golfing outing with Obama and Bill Clinton…wonder if they actually discussed anything or if it was some kind of ploy by Obama to gain support by being seen publicly with a popular President.

  216. Bill Clinton book on economy, ‘Back to Work,’ comes out in November

    The former president has finished writing a new book, “Back to Work,” which comes out in November.

    “I actually started thinking about it (the book) after the 2010 election, because I did 130 events and after every event people would come up to me and say, ‘I didn’t know this,’ ‘I didn’t know that,’” Clinton said.

    “According to a statement issued by Knopf, Clinton’s new book will offer “specific recommendations on how we can put people back to work and increase bank lending and corporate investment, double our exports, restore our manufacturing base and create new businesses.”

    Knopf announced a first print run of 300,000.”


    Next we need a book entitled:

    “How to wipe your hiney without using a teleprompter.”

  217. I watched the Netanyahu interview this morning. He was questioned about Bill Clinton’s recent comments which basically call Netanyahu the obstacle to peace with the Palestinians.

    I am beyond disgusted with BC’s position and the Democratic party. Having been a staunch democrat, liberal and Clinton supporter, I want to say a few things before leaving this site. The peace process changed substantially in Israel after it gave up Gaza to appease world opinion, please the US and prove that they would make huge concessions for peace. Israel received nothing from the Palestinians except more violence and a huge danger to their civilian population and their security. Israelis and many American Jews like me realized that one sided trading away security would not work and would be a huge threat to the country. I have totally changed my thinking as to what will succeed in Israel and I now support Netanyahu’s position entirely.

    I have shared everyone’s disgust with the democratic party since the Obamination started. I was hoping that change would eventually come and I could be a democrat again. But my relationaship to the D party has so deteriorated that I don’t see myself coming back. They are the party of lost causes and corruption. The D party stance on illegal immigrants is repulsive….a blatant disregard of the law…and one that is really hurting middle class Americans.

    Locally, we now have a srong Independence Party. I hope a new national party of the people will emerge to replace the garbage we have now. I admire Hillary, campaigned for her and she is the only candidate I ever contributed $ to. Though I think she is exceptionally bright, hard working and competent, I do not agree with all of her positions. I would most likely still vote for her if she runs, but I no longer believe in or have any confidence in the democratic agenda.

    There really is no need to trash my comment as I will no longer be reading the posts. The country is in crisis. The tides of opinion are shifting. I think Hillary and Bill have been too supportive of BO and too much of his stink has rubbed off on them. And I know admin will say that they are clever politicians working within the party but the party is in such disregard that I am not sure if Hillary could beat Christie at this point. I think the country may run as fast as they can away from the dems and many people lump Hillary right in there.

    Those of you who ardently support her need to be aware of how disgusted people are with the undemocratic party and how many people link her to this administration. I can not defend her anymore. I find myself for the first time in my life to have moved on the political spectrum. The d party has pushed too far afield on everything from healthcare to illegal immigration to Israel and I want no part of it. Bill’s comments on Netanyahu were the last straw for me.

    I don’t think I will be missed here, but want to thank those who post informative, topical links. I also think that reading this blog religiously for the last few years has kept me well informed. At the same time, I have come to see that I no longer belong here.
    I have to say that I like Christie and I hope he runs. I think he is smart.honest,sincere, basically kind hearted and compassionate but very tough.

  218. Carol
    September 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    If your still here, what did Bill say? I know I have been upset with his derogatory comments about the Tea Party.

  219. Follow the money…

    California Democratic Party among Solyndra’s creditors

    Out of the hundreds of out-of-work employees, vendors, investors and other creditors in the bankruptcy of government-backed solar-panel maker Solyndra LLC, one name stands out: the California Democratic Party.

    Why California Democrats would be creditor to a company that received more than a half-billion dollars in federal loans to build a solar-panel plant isn’t clear. Even party officials say they’re not sure.

    The California Democratic Party’s communications director, Tenoch Flores, said the organization was not owed “any funds in any form” by the California-based company. He said he was unclear why the party would be listed as a creditor in Solyndra’s bankruptcy filing.

    According to campaign-finance records, Solyndra donated $7,500 to the California Democratic Party in October 2010. It’s legal in California for corporations to make donations. But that doesn’t explain why the company would identify the Democratic Party as a creditor in its bankruptcy filing a year later.

    A Solyndra spokesman did not respond to messages seeking more details about the filing.

    Solyndra’s spending habits are under sharp scrutiny after it fired more than 1,000 employees, filed for bankruptcy this month and had its offices raided by the FBI.

    Just two years ago, the company received federal loan guarantees of more than $500 million, money it burned through but hasn’t repaid. Because of a subsequent loan restructuring, taxpayers won’t be repaid before the private investors who poured $75 million into the company earlier this year as it tried to stay afloat.

    The Washington Times reported last week that law firms that took credit for helping to push through the federal loan package were paid millions of dollars reported through the federal Recovery Act.

    The same month Solyndra donated to the California Democrats, the company also contributed $1,000 each to three California state Assembly candidates, according to data from the National Institute on Money in State Politics. But none of these Democratic candidates appears as a creditor in the bankruptcy filing.

    The state Democratic organization was identified in a document called a “creditor matrix.” It’s a standard filing in bankruptcy cases, where the debtor provides an alphabetical list of the names and addresses of all creditors. In the Solyndra case, the list runs more than 100 pages.

    In an affidavit along with the court filing, the company’s chief executive, W.G. Stover Jr., swore under penalty of perjury that that creditor list was true and accurate to the best of his knowledge and that the information came from a review of the company’s books and records.

    read on…………..


    murkier and murkier.

  220. Well, at least she is openly admitting that the race card is a deliberate strategy, not truth:


    As in Journolist-whatsis a while back.

  221. I have been upset with his derogatory comments about the Tea Party.


    Some leftwing blog claimed Bill had said something to them about no nation ever succeeding with Tea Party ideas (ie libertarian?). But they didn’t have a video.

  222. Obama Should Quit

    On March 31, 1968, United States President Lyndon Baines Johnson told a national television audience that he would not seek and would not accept the nomination of the Democratic Party for another term in the White House. “When the address was over,” author Hampton Sides notes, “a euphoric Johnson leaped from his chair and bounded from Oval Office to be with family. ‘His air was that of a prisoner let free,’ the First Lady wrote: ‘We were all fifty pounds lighter and ever so much more lookin’ forward to the future’…The president described his mood this way: ‘I never felt so right about any decision in life.’”

    Harassed and depressed by antiwar demonstrators, urban riots, rampaging youth, unruly professors and reporters, and a deadly colonial quagmire in Southeast Asia, Johnson felt that (as he later told historian Doris Goodwin) he “was being chased on all sides by a giant stampede coming at me from all directions.” And by Bobby Kennedy.

    He wanted out. He left and it felt good.

    Barack Obama might want to think about that happy moment experienced by an earlier failed Democratic president as he reflects on the revolting re-election season ahead. Along the way he should imagine a beautiful picture: he and his wife and two daughters relaxing on a beautiful beach on a sunny day in Hawaii on January 21 2013, one day a day after Mitt Romney, Rick Perry or Hillary Clinton is sworn in as the nation’s 45th president on January 20, 2013. As he looks out across the rolling waves of the blue Pacific, he takes a nice long drag on a cigarette he doesn’t feel compelled to hide from the press. Reflecting on all the “ideological extremists,” “unrealistic” zealots, “partisan dividers” and opportunists who criticized him in office, he can take comfort in the fact that “they won’t have Barack Obama to kick around anymore” an d in contemplating the many millions of dollars he will be slated to rake through future speaking, writing, and other fees.

    What does Obama have to look forward to in the future if he insists on trying for a second term?


  223. ohanson
    September 26th, 2011 at 5:40 am

    The far lefties as exhibited in Counterpunch have bailed on Obama. They know he cannot win and the public is simply not interested any longer in what he has to say. Obama can get out of the way or get run over. As much as they despise Hillary Clinton they know she would be better than any Republican. So the drumbeat begins for Obama to move along. My guess is that the longer he hangs on the smaller his deal will be not to be prosecuted. If he drags it out, slips lower in the polls, more Solyndra, Lightsquared, Fast and Furius, etc comes out, the fewer of his people he can protect from the legal system. Being from Chicago I would have thought Obama understood this but perhaps not.

  224. ohanson: The counterpunch article is a good read, especially since Paul Street comes across as objective. In particular, while he says that ø should quit, he doubts that he will do so because his narcissism won’t let him.

  225. Mormaer: “Being from Chicago I would have thought Obama understood this but perhaps not.”

    On the contrary, Chicago pols have their way of manipulating scandals to their advantage. Rezko, for example, could still come out smelling like a rose if only he dumped a few of his cohorts, including above all ø.

    But assuming that what you say is true – that eventually he or those around him will “understand” – I would put that intuitively in the second quarter of next year when: the R’s have narrowed down their field of contenders to two or one and both of them beat ø in the polls; the scandals and prosecution are building up; there is an HRC draft under way; there is perhaps a Harkin, Feingold or Bayh scoring in the D primaries or a lot of “uncommitted” delegates are being selected; the superdelegates are refusing to endorse ø.

    All of these pre-conditions can be reasonably expected and are thus real possibilities. All of them together might finally get through ø’s skull.

  226. jeswezey
    September 26th, 2011 at 7:28 am
    On the contrary, Chicago pols have their way of manipulating scandals to their advantage.

    I agree completely with you, but the entire US is not Chicago. They have tried mightily to run the country like it was Illinois but it is not working and the populace does not like it. This I think is part of Obama’s frustration in that he wants to do business, manipulate the public, and raid the public coffers like he was in Chicago. While there may be similarities with DC, it is far more complex and requires much more skill and work of which Obama was not prepared and is too indolent to accomplish. He actually thought the Republicans would help him like they do in Illinois (the Combine) hence his bi-partisanship whining.

  227. Mormaer
    September 26th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    September 26th, 2011 at 7:28 am
    They have tried mightily to run the country like it was Illinois but it is not working and the populace does not like it.

    I am naive compared with you two but I would like to say: Thank God for the Russians, or who ever it was that leaked the global warming e-mails and saved us all from Cap and Trade. I think they were planning to have tax payers foot the bill for installing Solindra panels on all government buildings and on houses in poor neighborhoods, with coneys taking a cut at every stage – that’s Chicago.

    I think Cap and Trade was the linchpin of Obama’s presidency, and when that fell through Obama, Soros and I am sad to say Gore, had to abandon “The Plan”. Obama was left trying to make it up as he went along. And that is what we have been enduring: the presidency of a flim-flam man trying to implement pieces of “The Plan” with out the cover of global warming. If he would have had the cover of global-warming we would be done for.

    And oh, when the DOJ pays someone $16 per muffin at weekly staff meetings is that not crony capitalism? Was it Holder’s brother in law or cousin who catered these events? The CBO, I think, does its best to alert us but we drop the ball when we just roll our eyes over these revelations instead of finding out who got paid $16/muffin etc.

  228. Carol
    September 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am



    I personally believe that you are a valued and welcome poster here. I have enjoyed your comments over and over again and found that our views match almost constantly.

    I heard what Bill Clinton said a few days back and was disappointed as well. However, a friend convinced me to go back and read everything so that I saw that he was also blaming the other side at the same time. The title of the article I read was very misleading.

    I am not saying that Clinton didn’t upset me with his words, but I am going to take a wait and see attitude with this. Hillary has not said the same, at least publically, so I still hold out hope.

    I am hoping that you will reconsider your decision and continue to post with us.

    If not, I wish you well, my friend.

  229. Maxine Waters is a bit pissed at Obama telling the CBC to stop complaining and put their bedroom slippers on and march with him.

    She wonders who he is talking to, since according to her he’d never tell the Jews or the Gays to stop complaining, shut up, and get in line. Maybe the jews and the gays don’t wear bedroom slippers? Yeah, he’d never talk to them the way he’s talking to us!

    It’s a very good piece, ruined at the end by her assurances of how much they support Obama. Um, Maxine? Has it ever occurred to you that that very assurance of support no matter what is the reason he will talk to you and insult you in a way he won’t talk to anyone else? P.S. Bill Clinton never talked to the black community that way, and neither would Hillary.

  230. Carol
    September 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    I watched the Netanyahu interview this morning. He was questioned about Bill Clinton’s recent comments which basically call Netanyahu the obstacle to peace with the Palestinians.

    I saw an interview where this was brought up with Bibi. I think it was on Greta last week, she said that Bill said Bibi moved the goal posts in the peace talks by allowing new settlements.

    What did Bibi say to this, he said, “…yes, what President Clinton said was correct, (meaning he did move the goal posts).”

  231. RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, considered a reformer by the standards of his own ultraconservative kingdom, decreed on Sunday that women will for the first time have the right to vote and run in local elections due in 2015.

    It is a “Saudi Spring” of sorts.

    For the nation’s women, it is a giant leap forward, though they remain unable to serve as Cabinet ministers, drive or travel abroad without permission from a male guardian.

    Check out the photo with this and see how free Saudi women are.

  232. I will mis you Carol. I agree completely with what you say, but I am still addicted to the Clintons. I was hurt by Bill’s comments, but I think he wanted the legacy, amnong other things, of solving the Israeli/PAL crisis and resents Netanyahu’s opposition to some of the aspects that were to be included. However, as Bill states, he will never understand why Arafat walked away from the deal. Hillary and Bill. when it comes down to it, are democratic loyalists to a fault. The problem, however, is they think they can bring the party back to the center, but those days are over.

  233. Tell me again WHY we are still “allied” to these fucks, and sending them billions in aid? Whereas India, which has the potential to be a HUGE economic and security partner in the long term, gets mostly ignored?

    Pakistan’s military will not take action against the Haqqani militant group that Washington blames for an attack against its embassy in Kabul, despite mounting American pressure to do so, a Pakistani newspaper reported on Monday.

    Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani held a “special” meeting with his top commanders on Sunday to discuss the security situation, the military said, after a week of tension and tit-for-tat rhetoric with the United States…

    The Pakistani commanders agreed to resist U.S. demands for an army offensive in North Waziristan, where the United States believes the Haqqani network is based, the Express Tribune reported, quoting an unnamed military official.

    “We have already conveyed to the U.S. that Pakistan cannot go beyond what it has already done,” the official told the newspaper on condition of anonymity.

  234. HillaryforTexas
    September 26th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I’ve been wondering the same thing for a long time.

    Only answer I have come up with is: Barack Hussein Obama.

  235. Our girl is busy while her DRAFT arrangements are being worked out.What a great future she will restore to this great country.The world leaders have had their fill of the Phony POTUS’



    Secretary Clinton participates in meetings surrounding the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York City.

    9:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati

    10:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi

    11:50 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Georgian Foreign Minister Grigol Vashadze

    1:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Colombian Foreign Minister Angela Holguin

    1:45 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Vietnamese Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh

    2:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Bruneian Crown Prince al-Mutadee Billah

    3:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting and signing ceremony with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Konstatyn Gryshchenko, in New York City.

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Indian External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna

  236. The best news from FOX.They have finally come to their senses and want Bill and Hill to become regulars on their Network I hope they slam the door on the Goldust Twins.

    -Fox News CEO Roger Ailes has given one of his typically candid interviews to Newsweek. The interview was published Monday.

    For a man who first made his name as a media guru for Richard Nixon, Ailes is often surprisingly forthcoming about Fox News and his opinions. In previous interviews, he has called NPR executives “Nazis” (he later apologized), said he didn’t mind if people thought Glenn Beck was fired from the channel, and admitted that he wants both Bill and Hillary Clinton to join Fox News.

    Behind the scenes, Ailes is reported to have clashed with Sarah Palin and told Beck to cool his more controversial rhetoric.


  237. HOLY FUCK.

    FOX news is breaking that they have very reliable documents proving that Pakistan has been selling nuclear arms technology to Libya, Sudan, North Korea, China, and IRAN.

    They say it’s very well documented.

    If so, and given their intelligence service’s participation in the attack on our Kabul embassy, and their refusal to even help go after the perpetrators, I say we STOP with the lie that they are our allies in any way, and this bullshit game of “not picking sides” between them and India.

    You know, the other reason why we courted Pakistan rather than strengthening relations with India, who really are our more natural allies, is because of GWB’s bullshit War on Terrah, which Obama has continued. We supposedly needed Pakistan to help with that, so we shit all over India. Can we stop this insanity now? Because our country is being played for a fool by Pakistan.

    Get out of Afghanistan, and cut off aid to Pakistan. NOW.

  238. Carol,

    Please do stay! We’re all against Obama. The subjects where you disagree aren’t the only subjects that come up.

    And we need all different sides on everything….

  239. LOL! Bong politics! Perfect description for Obama, and who is driving the Democratic Party these days:

    “For one thing, he’s not precisely a Marxist; he’s a Marxisant, a useful French word denoting someone who has memorized all the slogans while not bothering his head with any of the theory. “Spread the wealth around” is a pure Marxisant statement, just as his attempts to stir up class hatred against private jet-owning billionaires is pure Marxisant behavior. An actual Marxist would be far more subtle and convoluted, thanks to his grasp of theory and revolutionary tradition.

    Obama has neither. What he practices is bong politics, the kind of thing you’d hear in the college dorm after the third or fourth bowl: “If I was running things, man, I’d like, get rid of money, y’know? Money messes with your head, right? So you get rid of it, and then…”

  240. Carol, I’d urge you to reconsider. There’s no rule that says you have to deify any politician at all, not even the Clintons. I don’t.

    It’s perfectly reasonable to agree with a politicians on tons of stuff, and think they are a great person, and still VEHEMENTLY disagree on some other issue. It’s not an “all or nothing” proposition when it comes to supporting politicos.

    It’s called being human, and realizing that all politicians are human as well. I love the Clintons, but I don’t see either of them as infallible arbiters of all Final Truth on every single issue. I don’t check my own brain or opinion at the door for ANYONE.

  241. ABM90
    September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    The best news from FOX.They have finally come to their senses and want Bill and Hill to become regulars on their Network
    I bet he would love for Bill and Hillary to be ‘regulars’ on Fox, he wants the ratings these two superstars would bring. Greta already has had Bill and Hillary on her show, not as sit in’s and chat, but Greta goes to them for interviews.

    Dream on Fox.

  242. Too bad, so sad. All these young people that handed over their movie money are not going to fall for this crap again, many of them can’t find a job, moved back home with their parents and can’t afford to continue in college.)

    The New York Times –

    Small Donors Are Slow to Return to the Obama Fold

    They were once among President Obama’s most loyal supporters and a potent symbol of his political brand: voters of moderate means who dug deep for the candidate and his message of hope and change, sending him $10 or $25 or $50 every few weeks or months.

    But in recent months, the frustration and disillusionment that have dragged down Mr. Obama’s approval ratings have crept into the ranks of his vaunted small-donor army, underscoring the challenges he faces as he seeks to rekindle grass-roots enthusiasm for his re-election bid.

  243. Reporting from Washington and Sacramento—
    A suspected embezzlement scheme that has ensnared hundreds of campaign accounts of Democrats has sent candidates scrambling for new cash as they prepare for an election season that could reshape California’s political landscape.

    Just when they need to start hiring staff and commissioning polls, many candidates have no idea how much might have been taken from them or how much they have left, and they cannot find out: As many as 400 political accounts have been frozen by the banks holding the funds since the Sept. 2 arrest of treasurer Kinde Durkee.,0,6721244.story

    I know we shouldn’t judge someone by their looks, but this woman looks like an Ork.

  244. HillaryforTexas
    September 26th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Maxine Waters is a bit pissed at Obama telling the CBC to stop complaining and put their bedroom slippers on and march with him.

    Maxine Waters is a fool if she thinks Obama gives a flyin leap about the black community.. He wants their vote and thats it! He feels he is entitled to it because he’s half black and just having a half black man as president should be all they should ever want or need.

    Maxine is scared. She is afraid to make a move- Thats bad. She’s been suckered into a vacuum and is a walking paralytic headed for a coma..

    She better wake up soon while she still has some leverage, otherwise the Bamboozler will roll her and her constituency under the bus before she can do anything to stop it-

  245. Maxine Waters is a bit pissed at Obama telling the CBC to stop complaining and put their bedroom slippers on and march with him.

    Actually he didn’t say to put on their bedroom slippers…

    he said they need to get out of their slippers and put on their marching shoes.

    (Not the exact words, but the first thing I thought of was J-A-C-K-B-O-O-T-S

  246. Maxine is scared. She is afraid to make a move-


    She has reason to be scared. She’s brave to criticize Obama at all. She’s trying to get Black voters to back her up.

    Very brave. Deserves our support.

  247. A readable analysis, with 20 year perspective:

    The top 10% of the US currently pulls in 73.1% of all income [….]

    And pays 70% of the taxes.

    Of course, the top 10% didn’t always ‘shoulder the greatest tax burden.’ When the difference between the rich and the poor wasn’t so great in the US, like the 50s-70s, most of the tax burden was distributed equally, as the top 10% didn’t garner MOST of all income.

    Other groups that used to shoulder more of taxes? Corporations used to fund about 30% of taxes. Today it’s 7-8%.

    Beginning in 1974, Pierre Trudeau’s Liberals and Manitoba’s first elected New Democratic Party government gave money to every person and family in Dauphin who fell below the poverty line. Under the program—called “Mincome”—about 1,000 families received monthly cheques.

    Unlike welfare, which only certain individuals qualified for, the guaranteed minimum income project was open to everyone. It was the first—and to this day, only—time that Canada has ever experimented with such an open-door social assistance program.
    The government wanted to know what would happen if everybody in town received a guaranteed income, and specifically, they wanted to know whether people would still work.

    It turns out they did.

    Only two segments of Dauphin’s labour force worked less as a result of Mincome—new mothers and teenagers. Mothers with newborns stopped working because they wanted to stay at home longer with their babies. And teenagers worked less because they weren’t under as much pressure to support their families.

    The end result was that they spent more time at school and more teenagers graduated. Those who continued to work were given more opportunities to choose what type of work they did.
    In the period that Mincome was administered, hospital visits dropped 8.5 per cent. Fewer people went to the hospital with work-related injuries and there were fewer emergency room visits from car accidents and domestic abuse. There were also far fewer mental health visits.

    It’s not hard to see why, says Forget.

    “When you walk around a hospital, it’s pretty clear that a lot of the time what we’re treating are the consequences of poverty,” she says.

    Give people financial independence and control over their lives and these accidents and illnesses tend to dissipate, says Forget. In today’s terms, an 8.5 per cent decrease in hospital visits across Canada would save the government $4 billion annually, by her calculations.

  249. “Tell me again WHY we are still “allied” to these fucks, and sending them billions in aid? Whereas India, which has the potential to be a HUGE economic and security partner in the long term, gets mostly ignored? ”

    Rest assured, that will all change once Hillary gets in… The ME is in the twilight of the puppet governments put in place in the 80’s when BushI was VP under Reagan.. The takedowns are surrounding Iran until Iran is isolated and the ME is restructured without radical domination ruled by dictatorships put in place by the West. It’s coming, slow but sure, but it’s coming..

  250. Shadowfax
    September 26th, 2011 at 3:55 pm


    I would not put too much stock in the youtube videos of the “Days of Rage” nonsense.
    Consider that Bloomberg said just last week the city would have riots. Consider that soon after he said that this so-called protest started. Remember footage from the Wisconsin protests. Remember who was organizing them. Remember how staged things are.

    Consider that the site of the Union Park confrontation is in an area populated by thousands of pampered NYU students, students for whom the University took over huge swaths of the East Village to make way for expensive housing, displacing many longtime residents.

    The cost for attending NYU is up near $60G. Who can afford 4 years at those rates? Rich white students with a sprinkle of Affirmative action students thrown in. NOT REAL people with real life experience of an impoverished existence.

    They look like young twenty-somethings with too much time and not enough to do on their hands, the profile of the typical rich NYU student. The same type took over the east village, the west village, the neighborhoods with real character which used to make up that part of Manhattan.

    The protesters did not have a permit. They were blocking pedestrian and street traffic. They have been trying to get a “bite” from the media for over a week.

    I think this is BS.

    I stand by what I posted yesterday.

    “The so-called “protest” against Wall Street is absurd – just an excuse for rich pampered NYU students to spout their meaningless, clueless drivel.

    Interesting that Blooma$$ predicted ‘riots’ just the other day and now, apparently,that’s what has spontaneously erupted in Manhattan? Give me a break.

    What a bunch of BS. Blooma$$ must have a hotline to the so-called professors teaching these POS worthless excuse-for-human beings.

    OK, I’m on a rant. I used to live near the site of the so-called protest and I know all too well how the area was gentrified (meaning real poor people pushed out) by NYU just for these spoiled rotten trustfund brats.”

  251. The ME is in the twilight of the puppet governments put in place in the 80’s when BushI was VP under Reagan.. The takedowns are surrounding Iran until Iran is isolated and the ME is restructured without radical domination ruled by dictatorships put in place by the West.


    Yes, that’s where the problem comes from. Hope you’re right that it will end!

  252. Maxine is scared. She is afraid to make a move-


    She has reason to be scared. She’s brave to criticize Obama at all. She’s trying to get Black voters to back her up.

    Very brave. Deserves our support.


    PS. To put it a different way.

    The first elected black politicians to say “The emperor has no clothes” — have to say it in whispers.

    Encourage others to speak out under the fig leaf of “We still support him.” When enough are speaking, then they can all discard the figleaf.

    Especially if a better black has come along, eg Cain.

  253. What drivel! LMAO!

    “This is the ninth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street. The police barricades that have been surrounding the Stock Exchange help.

    Sunday has been decreed, once again, a day of rest. We didn’t march. We have made a new world, a new city within the city. We are working on a new sky for where the towers are now.

    Throughout the day our sisters and brothers arrested yesterday came back home to Liberty Plaza. They greeted the new faces that have joined us here. They shared their stories of imprisonment, of medical care denied and delayed. We welcomed them and listened.

    We had visitors.”

    Oh boo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. Sniffle sniffle sniffle. Solidarity now! Right on! Free the people!


  254. And this just about sums it all up.

    “The resistance continues at Liberty Square, with free pizza.”


    I think the cops have shown remarkable restraint over the past 9 days. Trying to take over streets in Manhattan is a far cry from occupying the Wisconsin Capitol for a month. People have to get to work, to the buses, to the subways, to the grocery stores. I mean the OTHER 7 million+ who live, work and go to school in NYC.

    Why should all those people continue to be inconvenienced by a couple of hundred bored NYU students?

    Is it possible 1 officer over reacted. Yeah. So what. If I was still living there I would be royally PO’d at being prevented from carrying on my daily routine for the sake of a couple hundred loudmouth wannabe revolutionaries who have been trying for over a week to escalate this idiotic movement into something significant.

    I respect anyone else’s stance on the issue but that is mine.

  255. Last one.

    Info on the organizers.

    Our Mission

    On the 17th of September, we want to see 20,000 people to flood into lower Manhattan, set up beds, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months.

    Like our brothers and sisters in Egypt, Greece, Spain, and Iceland, we plan to use the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic of mass occupation to restore democracy in America. We also encourage the use of nonviolence to achieve our ends and maximize the safety of all participants.
    Who is Occupy Wall Street?

    Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%.

    The original call for this occupation was published by Adbusters in July; since then, many individuals across the country have stepped up to organize this event, such as the people of the NYC General Assembly and US Day of Rage. There’ll also be similar occupations in the near future such as October2011 in Freedom Plaza, Washington D.C.

    Check out their daily agenda. Upcoming is a “Slut Walk.” The schedule stretches out to December 10, so far.

    Oh, and for those who want to contribute, the site has a mailing address, a general number, a press release number, a website, a helps page, etc., etc.

    Money orders only please, cannot cash checks yet. Non-perishable goods only. We can accept packages of any size. We’re currently low on food.

  256. So I misspoke.

    More drivel.

    “We strolled around the plaza. We wrote songs with new friends. We argued about politics with each other, but not a politics of puppets: a politics for us. We fed the hungry and gave sleeping bags to the cold. We roughhoused. We talked to the world on our livestream. Most of all, we kept on organizing ourselves. Our library grew.

    Drums blared for hours into the night when the Assembly wasn’t in session, until the time came for quiet. The drummers ended by reciting from the Principles of Solidarity we approved in Friday’s General Assembly, in the rain. Before the police lined along the Broadway side of the plaza, they cried together, “We are daring to imagine a new socio-political and economic alternative that offers greater possibility of equality.” And more.

  257. Shadowfax
    September 26th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Interesting with all the guys in the protest, the police pick on two skinny girls corralling them like sheep..

    But I think Basil raises a good point. I’d rather see them marching on Washington and camping out and setting up housekeeping in front of the WH.

    This protest seems to be aimed towards demoralizing Wall ST than anything else. Something spun from the Chicago playbook meant to embarrass and humiliate the Wall t brokers and Hedge Funders because they’re checkbooks are closed to Obama.

    The key is they don’t have a visible leader with a passionate battle cry, more on the Bill Ayers style of intimidating staged chaos. I wonder if they are being compensated with a perc of some kind?

  258. Carol,
    I, too, hope you stay. Liked your rant, and frankly I’m no longer a Bill fan either. I would love to have Hill in the WH but I also don’t see eye to eye with her on every issue. I just think she’s more honest than Bill and because she’s a woman, has a different perspective.

    Hope you stay.

  259. Mrs. Smith,

    What you did not see in the clip of the skinny women being corraled is what preceded it. A young female cop was trying to control the group and they were insulting her. The crowd had evidently started at Washington Square Park, traveled north by way of either Broadway or 5th Avenue to Union Square Park, were obstructing traffic, blocking people on the sidewalks and the police were trying to keep the streets clear.

    The protesters, many of whom were – judging by parts of the clip -joined by sightseeres from Washington Square Park on a Saturday afternoon (also one of the main hangouts for NYU students) had no permit and were planning on marching from Union Square to the U.N.

    What I see in this clip is the cops trying to keep the crowd moving, trying to be civil and dealing with a crowd looking for a fight.

    The women were not the only ones arrested and clips of others detained show smiling faces and an
    “oh what a wonderful adventure” attitude.

    Anyway, judge for yourself. Here’s a longish 9 minute clip.!

  260. Okay, here’s a good example of public opinion massaging. All the MSM are touting a new CNN poll that says the public would blame the republicans if the govt shuts down. 47%!!! Only 33% would blame Obama!!!

    Because, ya know, the House just passed the continuing resolution paying for disaster relief and FEMA funds, but they offset the money by cutting off some green energy funds. And it’s the Senate that refuses to pass it, so the govt could shut down (again).

    So I took a look at this poll, and look at the question:

    13. If the federal government shuts down, do you think that Barack Obama or the Republicans in Congress would be more responsible for that?

    Notice what they did there? Geez, the other half of Congress is not even offered as an option. The Democrats in the Senate do not even exist in this poll, even though they are the other half of who has to come to an agreement.

    You know what else doesn’t exist in the media? The fact that the only reason we keep having to fight over these continuing resolutions to fund stuff is because the Democrats have refused to produce a budget.

  261. Re the Wall St protests. Anybody calling attention to the fact that the 99% own and control almost all the wealth, is doing a good thing.

    They can correct their figures to 70% (or whatever) later, and notice that Obama is on Wall St’s side. Particularly when Obama refuses to protect them against the NY police.

  262. [the protesters] had no permit and were planning on marching from Union Square to the U.N.

    I heard Bloomers say it on tv.. they didn’t have a permit.. probably because no one wanted their name assigned as an organizer. All smoke and mirrors. The Banker interview with Ulsterman stated there is no money coming from WS to Obama coffers. And he as we know can be prickish when certain people won’t cough up their money for him. It was a different strategy for the CBC… and oh- let’s not forget.. CUBA Good deep-pockets.. 🙂

  263. I logged in tonight to see if anyone was commenting on the protests in NYC. Surprise, surprise! I, too, believe that the protesters should park the dumb asses in front of the White House… but NO!!!!!!!!!!! That would make them look like racists!

  264. That occurred to me, too. Also, the idea was broached by Adbusters, a Canadian based organization. (No insult intended, Jan, just pointing out that this isn’t exactly a grass roots American group).

    From their site:
    We are a global network of artists, activists, writers, pranksters, students, educators and entrepreneurs who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age. Our aim is to topple existing power structures and forge a major shift in the way we will live in the 21st century.
    Adbusters Magazine

    Based in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, Adbusters is a not-for-profit, reader-supported, 120,000-circulation magazine concerned about the erosion of our physical and cultural environments by commercial forces. Our work has been embraced by organizations like Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace, has been featured in hundreds of alternative and mainstream newspapers, magazines, and television and radio shows around the world.

    About the women – well, you want to play? Accept the friggin consequences. At least women are ALLOWED to protest in this country. From watching many clips it seems that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. When I saw the way they insulted and attacked the female police officer I felt the police have a right to protect themselves and each other. Maybe the male cops were trying to come to HER defense. Did it get out of control? Maybe. But that’s what happens when you take the law into your own hands and insist on blocking streets, impeding pedestrians, obstructing drivers, keeping the public from going to movies, restaurants, and other businesses.

    Not to mention the hefty price tag New Yorkers are going to have to pay for this now 9 day old manufactured protest from round the clock beefed up police presence in Wall Street and where-ever else these Bozos decide to make a nuisance of themselves.

    Considering what NYC police officers have gone through, after 911, considering all the threats recently against NYC, including reports of attacks on 911, I’m surprised the police aren’t even more reactive.

    And I couldn’t help but notice how many of those cops seemed close in age to the protesters. Talk about class issues. The pampered, privileged elites of NYU, Washington Square, the West Village facing down the working class pull-themselves-up-by-the-boot-straps young police officers.

    Reminds me of the contemptuous way these types treat service men and women.

  265. Oh, and for those who want to display solidarity with this phony group, you can send them pizza.

    Order Us Food

    Liberatos pizza – order online – order the “Occu-pie”
    Please order vegan or non-meat pizzas 🙂
    Other local business that deliver

  266. Senneth
    September 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    My neighbor directly across the street from me is an immigrant from Holland. Just wanted to say that even though his formative years were spent in Holland, he is not a socialist by any means. As a matter of fact, he would not be for a socialist system.

  267. Carol, Carol, Carol. There’s no need for you to go. There are people of like mind here. None of us are going to agree 100% with each other. I am pretty sure that I am not exactly a favorite on this site, but I DON’T care about that! I think it is necessary to provide opposing viewpoints when warranted. The admin has been respectful of this, too, which is something that so many other blogs have not been. No one is going to browbeat me into believing in something in which I don’t believe. I adjust my beliefs as I encounter new information that encourages me to do so. As an aside, I liked the Clinton years, but it didn’t mean that I became an ass kissing Clinton alcolyte. The last time I checked, the Clinton’s were not saints by any means. I respect them for their past positives, but I will actively counter them when I believe they are wrong. I never signed up for the “The Clinton’s are always correct” club, and I will never do so. Bill can piss me off with some of his statements. Hillary has done so on ocassion, too. Yet, as far as politicians go, they are better than most, but again, they are not perfect. I have also moved on in much the same way you have described your political journey. I am a centrist at heart, but if given the choice between progressive and conservative, I would lean conservative at this time. In the past, it was the exact opposite. We have nothing to be ashamed about.

  268. By the way, Carol, for the most part, I like Christie, too, although I wasn’t exactly thrilled with his comments about the mosque in the vicinity of the WTC.

  269. The Øbama stink will attach itself to anyone who seemingly supports his agenda, or works for him, much like a skunk’s odor attaches itself to an unlucky dog.

  270. nomobama
    September 26th, 2011 at 10:10 pm


    Do you think the corporate MSM has suddenly become totally credible? Or that Wall St is perfect as it is?

  271. The protestors looked too well dressed and enjoying the free for all- they invited anyone who has a gripe to join them..

  272. The peace seeking Pals are demonstrating their democratic society and their love for humanity:

    “Palestine” to Deny Citizenship to 45 Percent of its Palestinian Residents.

    It’s eminently fitting the woman the Palestinian Authority chose to formally launch its statehood bid is a proud mother of five murderers, of whom one is now dead while the other four are serving life sentences in Israel. After all, a woman who teaches her sons to kill Israelis even at the expense of their own welfare is the perfect emblem of a Palestinian state dedicated to destroying Israel even at the expense of its people’s welfare. And if that accusation seems far-fetched, just consider the shocking interview the PLO’s ambassador to Lebanon, Abdullah Abdullah​, gave the Lebanese Daily Star last week:

    The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state…

    This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that “even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens.”

    Abdullah said that the new Palestinian state would “absolutely not” be issuing Palestinian passports to refugees…

    “When we have a state accepted as a member of the United Nations, this is not the end of the conflict. This is not a solution to the conflict. This is only a new framework that will change the rules of the game.”

    The Palestinian Liberation Organization would remain responsible for refugees, and Abdullah says that UNRWA would continue its work as usual.

    This is simply unbelievable. For years, the world has backed a Palestinian state on the grounds Palestinians are stateless people who deserve a country of their own. And now, a senior Palestinian official has announced once they have received a state, most Palestinians will still be stateless – even those who actually live in “Palestine.”

    Moreover, the new state won’t provide these residents with any services: It expects UNRWA – or, more accurately, the American and European taxpayers who provide the bulk of that organization’s funding – to continue providing their schooling, healthcare, welfare allowances, etc.

    According to UNRWA, some 689,000 of the West Bank’s 2.4 million Palestinians and 1.1 million of Gaza’s 1.5 million Palestinians are refugees. Thus, aside from the 2.9 million Diaspora refugees, a whopping 45 percent of the new state’s residents will also remain stateless, deprived of both citizenship and services by the country the world fondly imagines is being created to serve their needs.

    But of course, the PA doesn’t want a state to serve its people’s needs; it wants a state to further its goal of destroying Israel. Hence the refugees can’t be given citizenship; that would undermine its demand to resettle them in Israel, thereby destroying the Jewish state demographically.

    And if the price is leaving half its people in stateless squalor for the next several decades or centuries, it’s a perfectly acceptable one to pay for the goal of killing the Jewish state. Just like Latifa Abu Hmeid thinks one son dead and four in jail is an acceptable price to pay for the goal of killing Jews.

  273. From “Yes We Can” to “But It’s Hard”

    According to press reports, President Obama told supporters at a New York fundraiser, “All that hopey changey stuff, as they say? That was real. It wasn’t something …it was real, you could feel it. You know it. It’s still there. Even in the midst of this hardship. But it’s hard. When I was in Grant Park that night, I warned everybody this was going to be hard, this wasn’t the end, it was the beginning.”

    The president is spending more and more of his time these days reminding us just how hard his job is. And the fault for soaring expectations? It rests with us, not with him.

    “When I said, ‘Change we can believe in,’ I didn’t say, ‘Change we can believe in tomorrow,’ ” Obama told an audience last month. “Not, ‘Change we can believe in next week.’ We knew this was going to take time, because we’ve got this big, messy, tough democracy.”

    Just for the fun of it, I went back and read his Grant Park speech. And while there was a sentence about steep climbs here and long roads there, it’s fair to say the overriding theme of his address wasn’t warning us of how arduous things were going to be under an Obama presidency. Quite the opposite, really. For example, here’s how the president-elect concluded his remarks that November evening:

    This is our moment. This is our time – to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth – that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes We Can.

    The Grant Park speech shouldn’t be confused with this one, in which Obama said:

    Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment—this was the time—when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.

    And that speech, in turn, is different than this one, in which the former-state-senator-and-community-organizer-turned-presidential-candidate said:

    I am running in this race because of what Dr. King called “the fierce urgency of now.” Because I believe that there’s such a thing as being too late…. That’s why I’m running, Democrats – to keep the American Dream alive for those who still hunger for opportunity, who still thirst for equality. That’s why I’m asking you to stand with me, that’s why I’m asking you to caucus for me, that’s why I am asking you to stop settling for what the cynics say we have to accept. In this election – in this moment – let us reach for what we know is possible. A nation healed. A world repaired. An America that believes again.

    I could go on and on, but you get the point.

    Obama went well beyond the usual campaign promises and political rhetoric. Complete with a Greek column stage set, he cast himself as a world-historical figure who would transform America. He was the person who would provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless, heal the planet, repair the world, and halt the rise of the oceans. Divisions within our country would end. Wars would cease. America’s image in the world would be restored. Dictators from Havana to Tehran, from Caracas to Pyongyang, would bow to the power of his reason. This time would be different than all the other times. Our country, after all, had never before been graced by anyone quite like Barack Obama.

    That, at least, is how the story was sold to us. Who can possibly forget this? Or this? But by now the cult-like chants and the “Yes We Can” refrain, the references to Obama as a “black Jesus” (by campaign staff) and a “sort of God” (by journalists), the comparisons to him as Lincoln (by pundits and historians), are a distant memory. I’m reminded what Michelle Obama said to a reporter as she watched people fawning over him at his swearing-in to the Senate: “Maybe one day he’ll do something to merit all this attention.”

    As the economy continues to remain (in Bill Clinton’s words) “dead flat,” as the world ignores our wishes and goes along its merry way, as the president’s approval ratings sink to new lows, and as he continues to question the patriotism of his critics and stoke embers of resentment, it is worth recalling just how much Barack Obama promised to be and just how far he has fallen short of it all.

    A little more than two-and-a-half years into the job, “Yes We Can” has been replaced with a new motto: “But It’s Hard.”

  274. The protestors looked too well dressed and enjoying the free for all


    Before the mace?

    So what?

    Doesn’t Wall St deserve some protest?

  275. While the world’s financial system careens toward disintegration, President Obama is spending the first part of the week fundraising–mostly at private events–with two DNC events in Seattle on Sunday, and two more DNC events Sunday evening in San Jose, California. On Monday, a “LinkedIn Town Hall,” and then to San Diego, California, for another DNC event, and then to Los Angeles for still two more DNC events.

    In Seattle, Obama was welcomed with a column in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer entited, “Obama’s private visit is a public insult,” which read: “The 2008 candidate who was `Fired Up and Ready to Go’ is coming here: It will cost you $35,800 to go see Barack Obama close up in Medina and perhaps ask the 44th President a question.” The author contrasts Obama’s visit with what other Presidents did in the Pacific Northwest: “Bill Clinton used Portland for regional summits on forestry and economic development. Ronald Reagan visited Weyerhaeuser on the eve of a trade trip to China. George W. Bush became a defender of dams on what he once called the river on the Snake. Even Warren G. Harding, at death’s door, managed to stay upright for a speech to thousands here in 1923. Franklin D. Roosevelt suffered an angina attack while talking to Bremerton shipyard workers in 1944, and willed himself to complete his speech….”

    “FDR was in a wheelchair. Yet, he made it to the rainforest, twice visited Grand Coulee Dam under construction, was driven through Northwest aluminum plants and dedicated Timberline Lodge at Mount Hood. Recently, particularly in Clinton’s visits, the President was inhaling a great deal about his surroundings. The Northwest was not just a source of campaign dollars, but a region making stuff that the world wants to buy.”

    “The failure of Obama to hold a public event is insulting. The man’s job is to serve. Instead, the Sunday visit is an exercise in using….

    * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Meanwhile, The Washington State Democratic Party Central Committee (WSDCC) passed a resolution to reinstate Glass-Steagall at their meeting last week, September 17. This is one of two state-wide Democratic Party institutions to pass such a resolution. On September 17 the Louisiana State Central Democratic Committee also became a statewide Democratic Committee to pass a resolution in support of Glass Steagall.

    Text of their resolution is as follows:

    WHEREAS an effective and stable banking system is essential to the functioning of our economy;

    WHEREAS from 1933 to 1999 the Federal Banking Act laws (also known as “Glass-Steagall”) did protect the public interest by separating and regulating commercial banking, investment banking, insurance companies and securities firms;

    WHEREAS the lack of such protection since 1999 has encouraged financial industry segments to exploit the financial system for their own gain, in violation of the public interest and to the severe detriment of the economy and general welfare:

    WHEREAS the U.S. Congress and Senate have attempted to restore the Banking Act of 1933/Glass-Stegal laws by means of S.2886 Banking Integrity Act (now under the jurisdiction of the Senate Banking Committee), Senate Amendment 3884, H.R. Glass-Steagall Restoration Act, H.R. 4377 Return to Prudent Banking Act, and H.R. 4461 Banking Integrity Act to benefit our nation and people;

    WHEREAS on April 12, 2011, H.R.4377 was reintroduced as H.R. 1489 Return to Prudent Banking Act stating, to repeal certain provisions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and revive the separation between commercial banking and the securities business in the manner provided by the Banking Act of 1933, the so called Glass-Steagall Act and for other purposes;

    WHEREAS the Financial Crisis inquiry Report, issued January 2011, finds that our financial system is, in many respects, still unchanged from what existed on the eve of the crisis and the U.S. financial sector is now more concentrated than ever in the hands of a few large, systematically significant institutions;

    THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that we, the Washington State Democratic Central Committee urge our representatives in the United States Congress and Senate, in order to prevent American taxpayers from having to bail-our financial institutions, to enact legislation to reinstate the Banking Act laws of 1933 to prohibit commercial banks and bank holding companies from investing in stocks, underwriting securities and investing in or acting as guarantors of derivatives transactions.

  276. By the way… get those 2,000 people in NYC near Wall Street carrying signs saying “Reinstate Glass-Steagall now!” “Pass H.R. 1489 now!” and watch what happens.

    Current List of Congressional Co-Sponsors to Marcy Kaptur’s HR1489. (By date of signing)

    (init.) Marcy Kaptur (D – OH)
    James Moran (D-VA)
    Walter Jones (R-NC)
    John Conyers (D-MI), former Chair, current ranking member House Judiciary Committee, dean of Black Caucus
    Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)
    Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), former Co-Chair Progressive Caucus
    Jim McDermott (D-WA)
    Louise McIntosh Slaughter (D-NY), ranking member House Committee on Rules
    Edolphus Towns (D-NY), former Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
    Maxine Waters (D-CA), former Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus
    Marcia Fudge (D-OH)
    Kurt Schrader (D-OR)
    Danny Davis (D-IL)
    Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD)
    John Garamendi (D-CA)
    Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)
    Peter Visclosky (D-IN)
    Jan Shakowsky (D-IL)
    Barbara Lee (D-Ca), former Chair Congressional Black Caucus, former Co-Chair of the Progressive Caucus
    Mike Coffman (R-CO)
    George Miller (D-CA), former Chair, current ranking member Education and the Workforce Committee
    Hansen Clarke (D-MI)
    Fortney Pete Stark (D-Ca)
    Michael Capuano (D-MA), ranking member U.S. House financial services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
    Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), former Chairman of the United States House Committee on Ways and Means
    Rodney Alexander (R-LA)
    Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), the Co-Chair of the Progressive Caucus
    Daniel Lipinski (D-IL)
    John F. Tierney (D-MA)
    Donna Christensen (D-VI)
    Al Green (D-TX)
    Bob Filner (D-CA)
    Tammy Baldwin(D-WI)
    Peter Welch (D-VT)
    John Olver (D-MA)
    Larry Kissel (D-NC)
    Yvette D. Clarke (D-NY)
    Chellie Pingree (D-ME)
    Michael H. Michaud (D-ME)
    Henry C. “Hank” Johnson(D-GA)
    Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)
    Peter DeFazio (D-OR)
    Keith Ellison (D-MN)

  277. ROTFLMAO! The ever-brilliant Iowahawk takes aim at Mittens on Twitter this week:

    Mitt Romney’s favorite gangsta rappers: Nat King Cole and Johnny Mathis #RomneyFacts

    Final 2 items on Mitt Romney’s bucket list: US presidency, eat with elbows on table #RomneyFacts

    Each night before sleep, Mitt Romney spends precisely 7.5 minutes polishing the brass on his sock garters. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt’s daily schedule includes 7 minutes of spontaneity on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, excluding holidays. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney wears button-down socks. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney’s disaster survival bag contains 3 pairs of Bass Weejuns and a tip calculator. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney’s favorite flavor is milk. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney dreams in black and white 1958 teen grooming films. #RomneyFacts

    During the wild days of the 60s, Mitt Romney once experimented with fondue. #RomneyFacts

    To increase efficiency, Mitt Romney has delegated all his bodily functions. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney’s study is chockablock with leather bound volumes of “The 5-Minute Manager.” #RomneyFacts
    23 Sep

    Mitt Romney organizes his organizer orgaziner in alphabetical order. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney was born with a perfect pompadour, and swaddled in a 3-button Brooks Brothers onesy. #RomneyFacts

    Mitt Romney intentionally grayed his own temples in prep school. #RomneyFacts
    23 Sep

    Mitt Romney personally owns 68% of the items in the SkyMall catalog. #RomneyFacts

    This Romney fellow seems to have attended many dynamic leadership seminars. #RomneyFacts.

  278. Hi Nomobama, I was only speaking for myself not for other former citizens of the Netherlands, but enjoyed your comment. Always like reading your comments and all the other commenters here.

  279. By the way… get those 2,000 people in NYC near Wall Street carrying signs saying “Reinstate Glass-Steagall now!” “Pass H.R. 1489 now!” and watch what happens.


    Now that’s a good idea!

    Basil, if you’re there, why not print these signs and pass them out?

  280. nomobama: “…I am pretty sure that I am not exactly a favorite on this site, but I DON’T care about that! I think it is necessary to provide opposing viewpoints when warranted…”

    That’s the spirit! We’ve had altercations in the past, but I’m with you all the way here.

  281. Bill introduced in U.S. House to freeze aids to Pakistan

    A key American lawmaker from Texas has introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives to freeze all U.S. aid to “disloyal” Pakistan.

    The House Resolution (No HR 3013) if passed will freeze all U.S. aid to Pakistan with the exception of funds that are designated to help secure nuclear weapons.

    “Since the discovery of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad, Pakistan has proven to be disloyal, deceptive and a danger to the United States,” Congressman Ted Poe said in a statement after tabling the resolution in the House on Friday.

    “This so-called ally continues to take billions in U.S. aid, while at the same time supports the militants who attack us.

    “The United States must immediately freeze all aid to Pakistan,” said Mr. Poe, who is a member of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

    Pakistan has made it “painfully obvious” that they will continue their policy of “duplicity and deceit” by pretending to be U.S. ally in the war on terror while simultaneously promoting violent extremism, the Congressman said.

    According Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, just this month the Pakistani government supported the groups who were behind both the truck bomb attack that wounded more than 70 U.S. and NATO Troops and the attack on the U.S. Embassy, Mr. Poe said.

    The resolution has been sent to the House Foreign Affairs Committee for necessary action.

    It is only after this key Congressional committee approves the resolution that it will be sent to the House of Representatives.

    Notably only a few resolutions enter the House of Representatives.

  282. Obama was warned of loan dangers long before Solyndra sank …devestating.

    Top economic advisors to President Obama warned him a year ago about the serious political and financial risks of the Energy Department’s loan guarantee program that has resulted in taxpayers likely being responsible for the loss of $527 million loaned to the politically-connected California solar firm Solyndra.

    That loan is currently under investigation by a House subcommittee and the FBI, which raided company offices earlier this month.

    Obama visited the Solyndra plant in 2010, touting it as a shining example of his program to simultaneously boost the U.S. green-energy industry and create new jobs. Last winter the Energy Dept. restructured the more than half-billion dollar loan to the troubled firm.Lawrence Summers 9-11

    But on Aug. 31 the company, whose major owner was also a major fundraising bundler for the 2008 Obama-Biden campaign, filed for bankruptcy and eliminated most of its 1,100 jobs.

    In a detailed story posted overnight, The Times’ Tom Hamburg, Kim Geiger and Matea Gold outline the danger signals set off in October 2010 when secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner and chief economic advisor Lawrence Summers warned the president that Energy’s vetting process was not stringent enough to weed out troubled applicants in advance.

    Energy Secy. Steven Chu, who like Obama holds a Nobel Prize, was eager to push through applications by 30 companies for the program’s $17 billion. He wanted even less oversight from Treasury.

    The story has developed legs for two reasons:

    One, it hints at possible high-level political favoritism using taxpayer dollars in risky ventures with well-connected business people, what some have labeled “crony capitalism.”

    And, two, it’s a classic example of the fundamental ongoing D.C. debate over government’s proper role in the economy and the financial dangers to taxpayer funds inherent when officials and bureaucrats, not free market forces, pick corporate winners and losers.

    Pencil this into your calendar for future political debate throughout 2012.

  283. Someone is out to bring Obama down.

    Obama advisors raised warning flags before Solyndra bankruptcy
    Treasury chief Timothy F. Geithner and others were worried that the selection process for federal loan guarantees fell short and raised the risk that funds could be going to the wrong firms.,0,5698311.story

    At a White House meeting in late October, Lawrence H. Summers, then director of the National Economic Council, and Timothy F. Geithner, the Treasury secretary, expressed concerns that the selection process for federal loan guarantees wasn’t rigorous enough and raised the risk that funds could be going to the wrong companies, including ones that didn’t need the help.

    Energy Secretary Steven Chu, also at the meeting, had a different view. Under pressure from Congress to speed up the loans, he wanted less scrutiny from the Treasury Department and the Office of Management and Budget, or OMB.

    The divisions foreshadowed a question that has emerged since Solyndra’s bankruptcy: Was the program’s vetting process thorough enough? The disagreements also spotlighted an issue that has confronted Obama since he took office: What is the appropriate role of the government in stimulating the private marketplace?

    Skeptics, noting that taxpayers could now be on the hook for $527 million the federal government loaned Solyndra, said the administration would have been better off making greater use of market incentives, not individual company loan guarantees.

    “It was completely predictable that there would be a colossal failure among the bets,” said one person familiar with the internal debate.

    Defending the program as an overall success, administration officials say that the $17 billion in loan guarantees now on track to go to 30 companies will help double renewable energy generation in Obama’s first term.

    The program that funded Solyndra is set to expire at the end of the month, and the White House is pushing to provide more green-energy loan guarantees through other initiatives and keep the U.S. competitive globally. The Chinese government, the Energy Department says, last year committed $30 billion to solar-panel manufacturers.

    Almost immediately after the 2008 election, Obama advisors began debating how to create jobs while reducing the nation’s reliance on fossil fuels. Some advisors pushed to expand a George W. Bush administration loan-guarantee initiative to help green-energy companies launch commercially. Others were philosophically opposed to providing help to individual companies and warned against betting taxpayer money on inherently risky ventures.

    Nevertheless, the administration went forward with the loan guarantee program as part of the 2009 stimulus law. High-level disagreements on the program continued.

    In late October 2010, administration officials took their opposing views directly to Obama. In preparation, a memo was drafted by Summers, who remained wary of the program, and two others who were more supportive: then-energy advisor Carol Browner and Ron Klain, then chief of staff to Vice President Joseph Biden. The memo laid out their different concerns and options to fix a “broken process” for getting loans approved.

    Warning that the program could “fail to advance your clean-energy agenda” by investing in companies that didn’t need help, the memo proposed alternatives, including diverting the funds into grants available to the entire industry. By contrast, Energy Department officials wanted to end the “deal by deal” reviews by the Treasury and OMB, the memo said.

    After the meeting, officials worked to streamline the process but didn’t make significant changes.

    It is unclear whether an overhaul would have helped anticipate the problems at Solyndra. In February, the Energy Department agreed to restructure the company’s loan. A little more than six months later, Solyndra declared bankruptcy, laying off 1,100 people and triggering FBI and congressional investigations.

    The administration originally touted the green energy program as a tool that would create or save tens of thousands of jobs. So far, 30 projects are on track to create about 16,750 construction jobs and 2,577 permanent jobs. The Energy Department notes that a related loan guarantee program helped save 33,000 jobs at Ford by helping the company modernize its factories.

    But some critics argue that other government loan guarantee programs do a better job of protecting taxpayers.

    For example, a Transportation Department program to spur infrastructure improvements limits loan guarantees to 33% of the cost of a project, said Autumn Hanna of the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense. Energy Department guarantees can amount to 80%.

    Critics also question whether the Energy Department has the expertise to select which companies to help.

    “Questions have to be raised about the quality of their analysis,” said analyst Shyam Mehta of GTM Research in Cambridge, Mass.


    deliberate misappropriation of taxpayer funds comes to mind.

  284. Pakistanis tied to 2007 border ambush on Americans

    Details of the attack indicate that US officials were aware of the sometimes duplicitous role.

    KABUL, Afghanistan — A group of American military officers and Afghan officials had just finished a five-hour meeting with their Pakistani hosts in a village schoolhouse settling a border dispute when they were ambushed — by the Pakistanis.

    An American major was killed and three American officers were wounded, along with their Afghan interpreter, in what fresh accounts from the Afghan and American officers who were there reveal was a complex, calculated assault by a nominal ally. The Pakistanis opened fire on the Americans, who returned fire before escaping in a blood-soaked Black Hawk helicopter.

    The attack, in Teri Mangal on May 14, 2007, was kept quiet by Washington, which for much of a decade has seemed to play down or ignore signals that Pakistan would pursue its own interests, or even sometimes behave as an enemy.

    The reconstruction of the attack, which several officials suggested was revenge for Afghan or Pakistani deaths at American hands, takes on new relevance given the worsening rupture in relations between Washington and Islamabad, which has often been restrained by Pakistan’s strategic importance.

    A turning point
    The details of the ambush indicate that Americans were keenly aware of Pakistan’s sometimes duplicitous role long before Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate last week that Pakistan’s intelligence service was undermining efforts in Afghanistan and had supported insurgents who attacked the American Embassy in Kabul this month.

    Though both sides kept any deeper investigations of the ambush under wraps, even at the time it was seen as a turning point by officials managing day-to-day relations with Pakistan.

    Pakistani officials first attributed the attack to militants, then, when pressed to investigate, to a single rogue soldier from the Frontier Corps, the poorly controlled tribal militia that guards the border region. To this day, none of the governments have publicly clarified what happened, hoping to limit damage to relations. Both the American and Pakistani military investigations remain classified.

  285. If you can wrap your head around these convoluted facts; good luck.

    Solyndra Tied to Asian Suppliers

    Sept. 23, 2011
    Lou Kilzer

    The California solar panel company that left taxpayers responsible for a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee was outsourcing significant portions of its business to Asian companies, according to a Tribune-Review analysis of bills of lading from U.S. ports.

    Solyndra LLC closed Aug. 31 and filed for bankruptcy protection this month, reporting debts of $783.8 million and assets of $859 million as of Jan. 1, according to papers filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Del.

    Chief Financial Officer W.G. Stover in court documents blamed Solyndra’s demise on attractive funding subsidies and extended payment terms provided to its foreign competitors by their governments.

    But Solyndra, which began shipping solar panels in July 2008, has tapped more than 60 foreign manufacturers to provide it with panels and related assembly goods, the Trib found through an analysis of shipping records maintained by ImportGenius, an international company that tracks imports into the United States.

    During the past 12 months, Solyndra received 154 shipments of goods, primarily from companies in China, Malaysia and Singapore. The shipments weighed more than 2.83 million pounds.

    That is a higher reliance on foreign products than some other companies involved in the DOE’s “green” energy program, the newspaper analysis found.

    For instance, BrightSource Energy Inc., another California solar manufacturer that received a $1.6 billion DOE loan guarantee, recorded zero bills of lading during the past year. Colorado-based solar panel maker Abound Solar, a recipient of a $400 million U.S. guarantee, received eight shipments from Europe.

    Solyndra was the first company funded under the DOE loan program. The firm applied for conditional commitment during the administration of President George W. Bush, but funding was not implemented until after President Obama’s federal stimulus program was passed in February 2009.

    Most recent figures from the DOE indicate the agency issued loan guarantees totaling $38.6 billion, producing or preserving more than 60,000 jobs. Solyndra reported employing about 1,100 when it closed.

    In May 2010, President Obama visited the Solyndra plant and held out the firm as an example of the future of green energy in America. The president said the company demonstrated that “the promise of clean energy isn’t just an article of faith.”

    Exactly why Solyndra was so dependent on foreign products is not clear. A call to the company on Thursday was sent to a voice recording that stated Solyndra had “ceased operations.”

    Two Solyndra executives were to testify today before an investigative subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. But a press release posted by committee Republicans yesterday said lawyers for Solyndra CEO Brian Harrison and Stover, the CFO, “have now declared that the executives will take the Fifth Amendment and decline to answer questions.”

    The FBI raided Solyndra’s plant headquarters in Fremont, Calif., on Sept. 8, two days after the bankruptcy filing.

    Brad Grantz, a spokesman for U.S. Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Upper St. Clair, a member of the House Energy Committee, said the question that Murphy plans on asking Solyndra executives if he gets the chance is: “When can the taxpayers expect to get their money back?”

    Several other Republican and Democratic members of Congress could not be reached for comment. Some GOP lawmakers are calling for cuts to loan guarantees for green energy in the wake of the Solyndra bankruptcy.

    Benjamin Goldstein, a DOE official, said that private recipients of the department’s loan guarantees are not covered by the “Buy American” provisions of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, better known as the fiscal stimulus act.

    Two months before Obama’s visit to Solyndra, the company put out a prospectus to sell public stock, showing net losses of $232 million for the year ending Jan. 3, 2009, and $172 million for the year ending Jan. 2, 2010.

    The company’s audit firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLC, warned that Solyndra “has suffered recurring losses from operations, negative cash flows since inception and has a net stockholders’ deficit that, among other factors, raises substantial doubts about its ability to continue as a going concern.”

    The initial public offering fell through.

    Several foreign firms are listed as creditors in Solyndra’s bankruptcy filing. For instance, Cheung Woh Technologies Inc., which has offices in Malaysia, Singapore and China, is listed by Solyndra as being owed $606,000. The company later said the figure was approximately $1.7 million.

    Advanced Nano Products of South Korea is listed by Solyndra as being owed $1.35 million. The bankruptcy filing said Connor Manufacturing Services of Oregon is owed $1.4 million. The bills of lading show several shipments of “metal stamping parts” from Connor Manufacturing Services (Asia) and list Singapore as the port from which the parts were shipped.

    Another Oregon company, Menlo Logistics Inc., imported material for Solyndra from Singapore, according to bills of lading. Menlo is owed $1.6 million, according to the bankruptcy filing.

  286. Sharia Vigilante Street Justice in America

    September 27, 2011
    In Daily Mailer,FrontPage

    About a year ago, I posted an Arabic language poem titled “Tears at the Heart of the Holocaust” on my website, The poem expressed its Arab author’s love for the Jewish This story strikes at the heart of what the American media establishment is trying to advocate when it comes to Islam — that it is somehow a religion of peace and that those who criticize jihad and Islamic Jew-hatred are “Islamophobes.”

    Are we going to call Mr. Alsaegh and those of us who have had similar threats “Islamophobes“? Are American media outlets covering up Islamic atrocities not only in the Middle East, but also in America? We former Muslims are putting our lives on the line to tell America that we are all in danger from the Islamic doctrines of jihad and Sharia, but few are listening, and our own media and politicians are calling us Islamophobes. Is that the America I love?

    Mr. Alsaegh is now scared to death and wants to move away to another state where he can live and write anonymously. He is now left with the hospital emergency room bill to take care of.

    I have been personally attacked recently by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and was listed by the government of Iran, together with others, as a threat. Such threats should never be taken lightly.

    As to those who defend Sharia as “nothing to be scared of,” I say, welcome to Sharia vigilante street justice in the streets of America.people and his mourning over what happened to them in the Holocaust. The brave poet, Mr. Alaa Alsaegh, is an immigrant to the US from Iraq, who now lives in Missouri. Such poems did not sit well with the Muslim community, which caused Mr. Alsaegh to be alienated from it. He received threats because of his support for the Jewish people, was called an infidel and a traitor to Islam, but he continued with his writing of poems and did not take the threats too seriously.

    Mr. Alsaegh, as well as Muslim critics and former Muslims who are accused of apostasy, are living under threats, but, lo and behold, if we dare to speak about our fears, we are immediately silenced and accused of being Islamophobes. The mainstream media insist that there is no need to fear Sharia or its enforcers in America and that we are exaggerating our plight from Islam. We are told that what happens in the Arab streets can never happen in the streets of America.

    Tell that to Alsaegh, after the unthinkable happened to him, when on August 14, 2011 and in broad daylight and heavy traffic, he was viciously attacked on the streets of St. Louis, Missouri. According to Mr. Alsaegh, as he was driving at 10:30 in the morning on Compton St. near Park Ave., a small white car cut him off and hit his car, while another car stopped behind him. The occupants of the cars, some of whom wore security guard-type uniforms, quickly entered Alsaegh’s car, pointing a gun at him. They pushed his upper body down against the steering wheel, stabbed him and pulled off his shirt to expose his back. Then, with a knife, they carved the Star of David on his back while laughing as they recited his pro-Jewish poem. Mr. Alsaegh believes that the attackers could be Somalis, but he was not sure. After the attackers fled the scene, Mr. Alsaegh was surrounded by witnesses to the crime and was taken to the hospital. The photo representing this story was taken at the hospital.

    After I learned of the attack on Mr. Alsaegh, I did not want to rush to judgment and waited until he told me that the FBI concluded that this was a hate crime. I believe that my article on this incident is the first to be reported in the media. This incident has been totally ignored by the mainstream media.

    Why is it that attacks perpetrated by Muslims against Muslim infidels or honor crimes are ignored? Crimes done by Muslims against other Muslims who are considered apostates should alert the American public of what is coming to American streets if Muslims start increasing in numbers. The dirty little secret of Islamic hate and intolerance is clear from this story, and no one in the media cares to expose it and alert the American public.

  287. I read this over on American thinker.

    Predicting Obama
    By J.R. Dunn

    “… But events intervened in the form of the financial collapse (triggered in large part by Charles Schumer, another little item that went down the memory hole) and McCain fell behind, never to catch up.”

    What does that mean? I never heard or read that Schumer triggered the collapse. I wanted to ask the author but I can’t remember the user name.

  288. Thank you!

    Mrs. Smith
    September 27th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Sharia Vigilante Street Justice in America

    Last night Gretta said at least 4 Mexican journalist have been killed for reporting the truth. And here in America we have an archetypical journalist with no moral fiber who to further his career is willing to stand in wave after wave of human sewage while telling us it is gritty and tastes awful in order to convince us there is a hurricane.

  289. I found Carol’s last post very interesting. I believe Bill Clinton was the best president in my lifetime. And I believe Hillary would have surpassed him. I don’t think anyone has ever been prepared to take the reins like her and doubt there will be another soon. She was/is simply the best for this moment in history. I do not agree with everything the Clinton’s espouse, but I support to an extent.
    Eerie,though, that after the DNC robbed her the obots I talked to argued with me with things like well Hillary is supporting him so so should you. WTF? I respect her but I do not follow blindly. She and Bill have made statements and decisions I disagree with but I’d vote for her in heartbeat. That does not mean I will accept the waffles agenda because they endorse it.
    Best thing about this site is I can say that and it will appear. Some other sites that were pro-Hillary went hard core repug and disallow any dissent.
    i am kind of with Carol in that I wish Hillary and Bill would stop propping up this empty suit.

    On a separate note i was talking to a poly/sci professor from one of the small state universities in PA and he said Hillary engendered malice from many of her colleagues in the Senate because she worked her ass off. Claims most of the 100 think their job is to pull the party line and have nice dinners and that she was a workhorse that made everyone else look bad.

  290. I have not read Atlas Shrugged in 25 years. When I read it I was a teen and most of it was lost on me, but i do remember the guy who had given his all to a company and then the gov’t came in and so he burned it to the ground.
    Is the same thing taking place with MDs? Every doctor I know resents it. Closing shop or stopping volunteer work. They are pissed. Not talking about LA plastic surgeons but everyday MD”s saying I’ll quit practicing. One guy who is a GP wanted to know exactly how many hours michelle and barrack did in their 20 years of practice.

  291. So much for “pass this bill now”, Reid goes on holiday first.

    President Obama still is pressing Congress to pass his jobs stimulus bill immediately, but his own party leaders in the Senate, where Democrats have a majority, have pushed that vote off yet again.

    Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, said Monday night that when the Senate returns from a weeklong vacation, the chamber will work instead on a bill that would push to label China a currency manipulator, which would make retaliatory steps in order.

    “I don’t think there’s anything more important for a jobs measure than China trade,” Mr. Reid said.

    Late Monday, before he closed down the Senate, Mr. Reid locked in an early test vote for when senators return next week.

    Mr. Obama two weeks ago sent Congress legislation he said would create jobs by extending and expanding temporary tax cuts and boosting infrastructure spending, which he offset by increasing taxes over the long term.

    The president has been traveling the country demanding that Congress act immediately, but even his own party has not been keen to rush the legislation.

    Mr. Reid is the Senate sponsor of the measure, but he said there are other priorities.

    “We’ll get to that, but let’s get some of these things done that we have to get done first,” he said.

    On the House side, GOP leaders, who control that chamber, have said they are waiting for an evaluation of the bill from the Congressional Budget Office and will then send the legislation through the committee process.

    Republicans have said there are some ideas in Mr. Obama’s plan that they can accept, though they and some Democrats have rejected the tax increases Mr. Obama has called for — particularly the $400 billion he would raise over 10 years by limiting deductions for high-income taxpayers.

    The China currency legislation, meanwhile, is sponsored by a bipartisan group of senators, and Mr. Reid said he’s confident it can pass the upper chamber.

    “China trade is a jobs bill. It’s long, long overdue,” he said.

    The legislation would push the Treasury Department to declare that China manipulates its currency in order to seek an edge in international trade.

  292. Mrs. Smith
    September 26th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    “Palestine” to Deny Citizenship to 45 Percent of its Palestinian Residents.

    I have very limited understanding of the history of Israel and Jordan but I read this past week that the whole of the area was controlled by the British. At the same time as the State of Israel was created the much larger State of Trans-Jordan was created. Two created states exist already. If I was Israel I would speak directly to the individual people who live in west bank and Gaza and offer a year settle into a peaceful life or get out. And after a year if they can’t learn to love peace, then push them over the river to their own state of Jordan. All this is about, IMO, is a delaying tactic/proxy fight by dictators and “kings” to block the contagious idea of democracy.

    A proxy fight which has delayed progress and caused untold suffering and sorrow to both peoples for how many decades while insuring “I can be a dictator/king for another 5 minutes”?

    I always scoffed when Bush said “they attack us because they fear our liberty and freedom”. Now I believe half the idea was missing. They are incited to attack us because their leaders fear our liberty and freedom/democracy is contagious.

  293. Betty
    September 27th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    What does that mean? I never heard or read that Schumer triggered the collapse.


    Betty, there is a comment following the article you linked to at AmTh, “…it was Schumer who had uncharacteristically shot off his mouth to cause a bank run and cause the economy to go down.”

    So, put this into Google:
    Schumer “bank run”

    Here’s the first Google hit:

    Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 7:01 am

    IndyMac Bancorp, Inc. (IMB: 0.00 N/A) felt the pain of a mini bank run this past week, thanks to a leaked letter from New York Senator Charles Schumer that questioned the bank’s solvency and led to widespread press coverage last week, the Pasadena-based thrift said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission late Monday.

    “As a result of Sen. Schumer making his letters public and the resulting press coverage, we did experience elevated customer inquiries and withdrawals in our branch network last Friday and on Saturday of roughly $100 million, about ½ of 1% of total deposits,” the bank said.


    I think that’s as close as you’ll get to pinning the financial collapse on Schumer.

  294. 9/26/2011

    IAC/Interactive Names Chelsea Clinton To The Board

    IAC/Interactive, Barry Diller’s conglomerate of Internet businesses, disclosed in an SEC filing this afternoon that the company has named Chelsea Clinton, daughter of former president Bill Clinton and current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to the company’s board of directors.

    The company noted that Clinton, 31, is pursuing a doctorate at Oxford, while working at New York University, the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. She previously worked at McKinsey and Avenue Capital. She currently sits on the boards of the Clinton Foundation, the School of American Ballet, Common Sense Media and the Weill Cornell Medical College.

    Also added to the board is Sonali De Rycker, 38, a partner with Accel Partners in London, and a former investment bank with Goldman Sachs.

  295. henry: “…I am kind of with Carol in that I wish Hillary and Bill would stop propping up this empty suit…”

    Yes, but I’m sure you understand that, in their position, open opposition would be a backward step. A lot of us wanted the Clintons to go PUMA in 2008; but their support of the empty suit was a class act like WJC’s support of Brown in CA – WJC buried the hatchet and Brown owes WJC now.

    HRC is in no position to do anything but follow ø on foreign policy and is legally bound to say nothing about domestic politics. And yet I remember that, early on (2009?), she said on record that the mounting debt was hampering our efforts abroad and our ability to shape our own destiny. To anyone who thought about it, that was a direct hit at ø, was reported as such in the media, and she would certainly not go back on that statement now.

    ø is not smart enough to parry such hits because they are not directly aimed at him. And WJC takes advantage of this in his own way.

    WJC supported the D party and ø going into the 2010 midterms. Don’t you remember the kind of support he gave on Jon Stewart’s show? HillaryForTexas remarked that all he said was great but that none of it would rub off on ø, and she was right. In fact, for anyone who thought about it, even the bright suggestions WJC made showed up on ø’s liability column: Stewart reacted with “Have you told him [Obama] this?”

    Carol left because WJC made some comments that she found to be derogatory about Netanyahu. WJC has said that, since he’s not POTUS anymore, “I can say what I want because nobody listens.” Apparently, some people are listening, though, and I think a lot of people are listening, as witnessed by Carol’s decision.

    WJC was said to be a “loose cannon” in 2008, but that loose cannon is still functioning simply because he has avoided saying anything overtly negative about the empty suit. Were he to be involved in any way in a subversion or open attack on the ø administration, he would cease to function.

    I think that, even if things work the way we want and HRC becomes the D nominee next year, this aversion to open criticism will continue. Remember, in 2007-08, neither WJC nor HRC criticized Dubya in any way that might have interfered with the president’s authority or marred the respect due to the POTUS. Sure, there was the crack about Bush setting up a “data-free zone” around the WH that got some laughs, but it was an above-the-belt joke and Dubya and everyone else took it well.

    That’s the Clinton style. Don’t ever expect either one of them to take up the H44 mantras or sarcasm.

    “a poly/sci professor… said Hillary engendered malice from many of her colleagues in the Senate because she worked her ass off. Claims most of the 100 think their job is to pull the party line and have nice dinners and that she was a workhorse that made everyone else look bad.”

    “She was a workhorse” alright, and her staff of 55 worked their asses off too – my nephew can attest to that. But Hillary also has a sense of humor and knows how to have fun. John McCain called her “one of the guys”.

    I think your Poli-Sci professor is showing undue contempt for Senators and is misjudging their Epicurean lifestyles. I don’t think Hillary’s presence jarred many of them. On the contrary, when Lindsay Graham was asked how he would react to an HRC presidency, ie another Clinton in the WH, he said “I’m comfortable with that.”

    And now, Kirsten Gillibrand operates pretty much the same way as Hillary; maybe there’s a trend coming up.

  296. Egypt backs treaty with Israel


    UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Egypt’s foreign minister said Monday his country will always respect its landmark peace treaty with Israel and is seeking ways to strengthen its “strategic relationship” with the United States.

    Mohamed Amr’s comments in an interview with The Associated Press come at a time of mounting concern about deteriorating Israeli-Egyptian relations and Washington’s diminished influence on the Cairo government following the ouster of long-time President Hosni Mubarak in February.

    Amr appeared to backpedal on comments last week by Egyptian Prime Minister Essam Sharaf, who said the 1979 treaty with Israel was not “sacred” and may be open to revisions in the future. His remarks triggered alarm bells in Israel, which saw its embassy in Cairo ransacked by rioters earlier this month following protests over the killing of six Egyptian border guards by Israeli soldiers pursuing Palestinians who had infiltrated and killed eight Israelis.

    Amr said relations between Egypt and Israel were governed by the U.S.-brokered peace agreement and that Cairo honored all its treaty commitments as long as the other party did the same “in letter and in spirit.”

    Asked if Israel had run afoul of the spirit or letter of the 1979 agreement, Amr said: “No, I don’t mean Israel in particular. I mean our agreements in general.”

    He stressed that Egypt will always respect its treaty obligations, including the peace deal with Israel. He said in response to a question that this meant there is no chance the peace treaty would be abrogated or changed, adding, “We respect our obligations.”

    Mubarak had largely kept the peace between his country and Israel despite popular resentment toward the U.S.-brokered Camp David accords, which included a framework for peace in the Middle East and another detailing the terms of peace between Egypt and Israel. The United States had a much closer relationship with Mubarak, and since his ouster the Obama administration has expressed concern about a “creeping” trend of anti-American sentiment in Egypt.

    Asked about concerns over the state of U.S.-Egyptian relations, Amr said he was heading to Washington for talks Tuesday and Wednesday with senior U.S. officials including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    “We always have strong relations with the United States,” he said. “This is not limited to one era or one regime, this is a strategic relationship that benefits both sides actually, not only one side. … I think both parties are very much interested in not only maintaining their relationship but also strengthening it in the future.”

    Amr, a former diplomat who worked at the World Bank before being tapped as foreign minister by the new government in July, said Egypt is passing through “exciting times” following the popular uprising that toppled Mubarak.

    Amr said he is hopeful the roadmap to “a truly representative government” will be kept — elections for the two houses of parliament by the end of November, establishment of a 100-member committee to draft a constitution in six months, a referendum on the constitution and presidential elections in early 2012.

    “But, of course, in such circumstances, you cannot have definite dates,” he said. “You always have to be flexible and respond to whatever circumstances that may arise. But we are optimistic that this is more or less the schedule for the coming period.”

    Amr downplayed concerns that a potential strong showing by supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood in parliamentary elections could pose challenges to the current government’s goal of shifting Egypt from an autocratic nation to a democratic state.

    “A characteristic of any democratic system … is that everybody should have a chance to express his views — to put his ideology to the people,” he said, adding that one positive outcome from this year’s events has been a greater level of political transparency and opportunity for groups to speak up more openly.

    “Whatever outcome will come through the ballot box (it) should be and must be respected,” he said.

    The Muslim Brotherhood was the best organized and most influential opposition movement in Egypt under Mubarak’s regime, but had to field candidates as independents in the past and its influence was largely subverted — at least in official channels — by the former ruling National Democratic Party.

    Many in Egypt are worried that a strong showing by the Brotherhood, as it is known, could push the country away from the framework of a largely secular state. That potential shift is a source of major concern for the country’s minority Coptic Christians and some in the West.

    But the country has also faced a host of other challenges in the months since Mubarak was toppled, including near daily strikes, an economy that is struggling to restart after being hammered in the wake of the revolution, and near daily protests including over the trial of Mubarak and other former regime officials.

    Despite the challenges, Amr said he was optimistic about the future of Egypt and its Arab neighbors.

    The popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt have sparked movements for democratic change elsewhere in the region, “and this shows you again that Arab people have more in common than maybe outsiders think,” he said.

    Where did the foreign minister see Egypt in 10 years?

    “I see a democratic, liberal, developed country … which regained its sense of hope,” Amr said. “I see a country that is much better than the country we had yesterday, and this, inevitably, will lead to Egypt reoccupying its rightful place as a leading power, as a beacon for progress and moderation, in our region.”

  297. jeswezey
    September 27th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    Oh my goodness! 🙂

    I actually think that was a fantastic post.

    Who knew we could agree on anything…lol…

  298. Jeebus. From crawdad. Timmy Geithner thinks $200,000 per job (and you know it will end up way more than that) is a “bargain”.

    $200K Per Job? Timothy Geithner Says White House Jobs Plan Is Still a Bargain

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner didn’t dispute a Harvard economist’s estimate that each job in the White House’s jobs plan would cost $200,000, but said the pricetag is the wrong way to measure the bill’s worth.
    And he also pointed out, in an interview today with ABC News’ David Muir, that there is no other option on the table for getting the economy moving and putting more people back to work.
    “You’ve got to think about the costs of the alternatives,” Geithner said when asked about Harvard economist Martin Feldstein’s calculation that each job created by President Obama’s American Jobs Act would cost taxpayers about $200,000.
    “If government does nothing, it does nothing now because they’re scared by politics or they want to debate what’s perfect, then there will be fewer Americans back to work, the economy will be weaker,” he said.

    Exactly how much will that one job pay and how long will it last?

    Because I’m thinking we take that same money and use it to put unemployed people to work digging holes and filling them in for $25,000 a year and create eight times as many jobs.

    Okay, I used to think that Timmeh was merely in the well, but now I see that Timmeh’s in the well with a bong, some Doritos, and a sleeping bag, and has called animal control on Lassie so she won’t bother him anymore..

  299. Here’s a paste and run. Fox News currently has this as its top story:

    …”We had discussed about how any citizen needs to understand what the proposed cuts mean,” said Laurie Newsom, president of the Gainesville Fla., Tea Party. “One of our members had figured it out and put it in terms of a household budget. If you ran a household with these numbers, you would see that it’s simply not enough.” The group looked at some key figures, mainly tax revenue, the current federal budget, debt and budget cuts, and divided each figure by $100 million, in an effort to break it down into simple terms that most Americans can comprehend. The group posted its findings online and came up with a household with an average family income of $21,700. But that “family” spent nearly twice that — $38,200 — and has an existing credit card balance of a whopping $142,710. “Everyone tries to keep things extremely simple for these things meant for general public consumption and of course there’s a give-and-take with that,” said Seth Rabinowitz, a partner with Silicon Associates, an economics-focused management consulting firm based in California. “I would make it clearer for the layman.They used the line ‘Money the family spent’…but really that means, ‘Money the family spent (last year and intends to spend this year again).’ ”
    “However, when you remove those eight zeros, the $385 spending cuts obviously aren’t even visible. They don’t even make a dent,”he said.

  300. turndownobama
    September 26th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Of course not! My “BARF” reaction was to an article written with a lot of obvious bias. She’s attacking another for perceived bias, yet her article is full of it. Aren’t journalists supposed to write without bias? I know “it’s hard”, as Øbama laments, but it is doable. Her attack on the Koch brothers is the in thing for lefties right now. Yet, where’s the criticism of Soros? You won’t hear a peep from her on that, will you?

  301. HillaryforTexas
    September 27th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    I agree with you. Just give 7 unemployed workers $28571.43 each, which would be quickly spent in the troubled economy as they would not have the ability to actually save this money. They would need it to survive. Of course, you would have these 7 unemployed workers doing something to earn the money.

  302. Good Grief

    Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) publicly protested against Obama’s racist and offensive remarks to the Congressional Black Caucus Sept. 24, telling CBS’s Early Show today that she found the language he used “a bit curious.” Waters, a leader of the Caucus, said: “The President spoke to the Hispanic Caucus…. He certainly didn’t tell them to stop complaining, and he never would say that to the gay and lesbian community, who really pushed him on don’t-ask-don’t-tell, or even in a speech to AIPAC, he would never say to the Jewish community stop complaining about Israel.”

    Waters was reacting to Obama’s rant Sept. 24, in which he said, “Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes. Shake it off. Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying. We are going to press on. We’ve got work to do, CBC.” This, to the political leadership in Congress of black Americans, who have seen their jobs wiped out, homes foreclosed, cities destroyed, and prospects for a future obliterated by Obama.

    Waters said, “I found that language a bit curious,” but went on to add defensively and foolishly: “We’re certainly not complaining. We are working. We support him, and we are protecting that base because we want people to be enthusiastic about him when that election rolls around.”

    (Story from LPAC. There, the headline is: “How Long Will Obama’s Constituents Defend Him? “)

  303. Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control
    All it takes is $10.50 and an 8th grade science education

    Sep 27, 2011 08:01 ET

    It could be one of the most disturbing e-voting machine hacks to date.

    Voting machines used by as many as a quarter of American voters heading to the polls in 2012 can be hacked with just $10.50 in parts and an 8th grade science education, according to computer science and security experts at the Vulnerability Assessment Team at Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois. The experts say the newly developed hack could change voting results while leaving absolutely no trace of the manipulation behind.

    “We believe these man-in-the-middle attacks are potentially possible on a wide variety of electronic voting machines,” said Roger Johnston, leader of the assessment team “We think we can do similar things on pretty much every electronic voting machine.”


    Indeed, the Argonne team’s attack required no modification, reprogramming, or even knowledge, of the voting machine’s proprietary source code.Previous lab demonstrations of e-voting system hacks, such as Princeton’s demonstration of a viral cyber attack on a Diebold touch-screen system — as I wrote for Salon back in 2006 — relied on cyber attacks to change the results of elections. Such attacks, according to the team at Argonne, require more coding skills and knowledge of the voting system software than is needed for the attack on the Diebold system.


    The new findings of the Vulnerability Assessment Team echo long-ignored concerns about e-voting vulnerabilities issued by other computer scientists and security experts, the U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team (an arm of the Department of Homeland Security), and even a long-ignored presentation by a CIA official given to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

    “This is a national security issue,” says Johnston. “It should really be handled by the Department of Homeland Security.” […]

  304. More crime and punishment from protesting…

    Saudi woman to be lashed for defying driving ban

    Saudi women get in the back seat of a car Saudi women will soon be allowed to vote but driving remains a banned activity

    A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a woman to 10 lashes for breaking the country’s ban on female drivers.

    The woman, identified only as Shema, was found guilty of driving in Jeddah in July.

    Women2drive, which campaigns for women to be allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, says she has already lodged an appeal.

    In recent months, scores of women have driven vehicles in Saudi cities in an effort to put pressure on the monarchy to change the law.

    The sentence comes two days after the Saudi leader King Abdullah announced women would be allowed to vote for the first time in 2015.

    Two other women are due to appear in court later this year on similar charges, correspondents say.

  305. JanH:
    “Oh my goodness! … Who knew we could agree on anything…lol…”

    Hey look, our disagreements are always civil, and they’re always about one subject: Israel.

    I think we agree on a lot of things, but why throw in my extra two cents if it’s just to agree? As nomobama says above, warranted and bona fide disagreement should be welcome because, that way, we learn.

    Apparently, this openness to discord is OK here but is refused on some other sites. I wouldn’t know about that because I don’t blog on many other sites. I do remember that Taylor Marsh excluded me from her blog, but I think she’s paying the price for that now.

  306. Shadowfax
    September 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm


    Thank you for bringing this tragic narrative to our attention.

  307. Two things we are always taught in order to get along with others:

    1- Do not talk about politics –
    2- Do not talk about religion –

    Well, the fact that folks are still blogging together under the Hillary umbrella is proof that what we agree on far outweighs what we disagree on…and thems are better odds than my real life. 😉

  308. JanH

    You’re welcome, these are brave women that are fighting for not only their rights, but the rights of women in their country and religion. Kudos to them for fighting against oppression.

  309. Oh goody,

    US Taxpayer funding of “green technology” continues to benefit – guess who – China. Just like Solyndra KNEW the Chinese were producing solar panels at far less than their cost and Solyndra was spending $6 to produce panels it sold for $3. What a great business model.

    Read this and weep. Was this the plan all along – turn over GM to China after US taxpayers paid to bail it out? Note the part about China providing a $19G subsidy per car to GM.

    Taxpayer Funding of Chevy Volt to Create Jobs – In China
    Submitted by Mark Modica on Mon, 09/26/2011 – 11:12

    It seems the promise of job creation for taxpayer funded green initiatives, such as the Chevy Volt development, is partially being kept. The only problem is that many of those jobs are going to China. General Motors confirmed last week that it would develop an electric vehicle platform in China. USA Today reports that GM Vice Chairman, Steve Girsky, stated that GM and Chinese auto company, SAIC, will develop a new electric vehicle that would draw upon the Chevy Volt’s technology. Girsky also hinted that future Chevy Volts will be built in China in order to qualify for Chinese subsidies of about $19,000 per car. Girsky claims that neither China nor SAIC are demanding that GM share Volt technology. Whether they are demanding it or not, it is obvious that they will get it.

    GM may try to skew media reports to downplay the fact that China will now have access to the Volt’s technology; a technology that was developed with taxpayers’ money. SAIC taking over development of GM’s electric vehicle platform means that the taxpayer money spent on the promise of a bright green future with loads of American jobs created is now going to benefit China. The Chinese government is even more embedded in their auto industry than the current American administration is in theirs.

    The USA Today piece also states that “GM plans to start exporting Michigan-made Volts to China by year’s end, but isn’t likely to sell many.” I would say “isn’t likely to sell many” might be an understatement, given the fact that the Chinese-sold Volts will not have any subsidies available until the car is built in China. The Volt is a vehicle that does not yet offer enough value to consumers to be able to stand on its own without taxpayer subsidies. I don’t expect that the Chinese masses will flock to the vehicle at non-subsidized prices.

  310. BASIL99
    September 27th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Why am I not surprised by this? I wonder how this will be handled. For every $ 19,000 dollars in subsidies that the Chinese government gives to each car, the US government should tack on $ 19,001 dollars to each one of the Volts imported into the US. Actually, that is not a great idea, as they will just ship the cars somewhere else. When taxpayer monies are loaned to businesses to keep them afloat, there should be stipulations against this type of thing.


    Obama Fundraising Suffers Huge Drop-off

    President Obama will raise substantially less in the second quarter of his campaign than the first, according to the New York Times.

    The paper writes that Obama campaign manager Jim Messina has told Democratic officials that the president will raise about $55 million in the quarter that ends Sept. 30, about $30 million less than he raised the first quarter of his campaign – which was the second quarter of the year, ending June 30.

    The news was – gosh who would have expected – buried within the Times story.

    No doubt, $55 million is a lot of money. But something’s not right.

    The campaign attributes part of the decline to the need for Obama to stay in Washington address budget battles with Republicans. That is – sorry for the inconvenience – the need to be president.

    But a separate Times article Saturday that said many small donors are hesitant to start giving to Obama again. And it’s no secret that even for Democrats, the thrill is gone.

    This helps explain the vitriol Obama has been dumping out on the campaign trail. He needs to get people motivated to send him their money, and if he can get the hating thing going – hate Republicans, hate the rich, hate EVERYONE – maybe they’ll part with some cash.


    No way he raises a billion.

  312. “GM may try to skew media reports to downplay the fact that China will now have access to the Volt’s technology;”
    The high tech is the Li-ion battery pack which was developed by the South Korean company LG and is manufactured in South Korea. LG is rapidly expanding the factory to produce the Volts battery packs. So basically US tax dollars to expand jobs in Korea and now China.

  313. jeswezey,

    Thanks for good sense as usual!

    Also did anyone notice recently, after Cheney iirc said Hillary should primary Obama, Bill said Hillary was more capable than Obama? Of course Bill hid it in “She’s the most capable person in the country.”

  314. I think we agree on a lot of things, but why throw in my extra two cents if it’s just to agree?


    I agree!!!

  315. moononpluto

    Obama Fundraising Suffers Huge Drop-off

    President Obama will raise substantially less in the second quarter of his campaign than the first, according to the New York Times.

    Best news coming from the NYTs in a long time…which means it is MUCH, MUCH worse than this.

  316. each job created by President Obama’s American Jobs Act would cost taxpayers about $200,000
    Exactly how much will that one job pay and how long will it last?

    Because I’m thinking we take that same money and use it to put unemployed people to work digging holes and filling them in for $25,000 a year and create eight times as many jobs.


    And is the 200,000 a one-time cost?

    If each job pays 100,000 and lasts for 2 years, the program breaks even.
    If it pays 50,000 and lasts 4 years, break even.
    If it lasts indefinitely, then there’s a longterm gain.

    But giving the money straight to a lot of unemployed would be good too: they’d spend it on haircuts and hamburgers, keeping the barbers and cooks employed. Maybe a safer bet.

  317. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul rallied a sold- out crowd of more than 1800 of his most ardent under-thirty-year-old supporters in New York City Monday night.

    Tickets to the event cost $20-25. It was originally scheduled to take place at the famed Webster Hall’s Marlin Room, but, the event had to be moved to a room twice as large at the last minute due to an overwhelming response. The final setting was in the Grand Ballroom, which has hosted celebrities to the scale of Mick Jagger and Madonna.

    “We are seeing a level of enthusiasm for Ron Paul that can be compared with President Obama in 2008”, said Eric Brakey, Media Coordinator for NYC Liberty HQ, the grassroots organization hosting the rally for the candidate. “Congressman Paul’s youth support is different now than it was during his last presidential campaign. It’s more organized and it’s picking up steam and continues to grow”.

    As the longtime congressman from Texas stepped onto the stage, the crowd screamed with enthusiasm. The audience’s biggest reaction came when he spoke about ending the Federal Reserve. “The country has changed in the last four years, but my message hasn’t changed” Paul said. “The country is ripe for a true revolution”.

    Responding to an earlier interview with Jon Stewart, he told the crowd that he is largely ignored by the media for a couple of reasons, one being that “people in charge don’t want to hear our message”.

    Paul, who’s making his third bid for the White House, devoted the final moments of his speech to President Obama. “Obama thinks he is going to spend a billion dollars on his [re-election] campaign”, but “when truth prevails you don’t need a billion dollars”.

    Big difference is that Ron Paul is more than just a seasoned politician, he is a medical doctor (knows the damage of Obamacare) and he is a smart man that’s been around the block more than a few times. Good for him for not giving up.

  318. So basically US tax dollars to expand jobs in Korea and now China.

    Yup. The “greene” technology push is going to turn out to be one of the biggest scams in our history.

    Personally, I can’t WAIT to see EPA top honcho Lisa Jackson in JAIL for the havoc she and her ilk have caused, along with BO and his entire team, Solyndra execs, and all the others who have conspired to bring the US economy to a halt.

    BTW, EPA now wants to add 230,000 jobs – to the EPA. Oh, and EPA enforcement would destroy over 20 million private jobs. Get ready for your house to be LICENSED if this sh!t goes forward. One of the items EPA is just salivating to enforce is that before people can SELL their homes it would have to conform with ALL sorts of regulations and be subjected to a periodic licensing review – like auto registration.

    Read this and weep some more.

    EPA Wants to add 230,000 MORE Bureaucrats

    We’ve always said the EPA’s extra-legal attempt to rewrite the 1970 Clean Air Act to twist it into a greenhouse gas law — cap-and-trade by other means — would be a disaster. Up to now, EPA tried to claim it would only apply permitting requirements to large industrial facilities. Now it is finally telling the truth — that applying the Clean Air Act as written will force permitting for even small commercial facilities, schools, hospitals, churches, restaurants that use natural gas as a cooking fuel, and even larger single family homes.

    In a court filing last week, EPA quantified the vast new army of federal bureaucrats it will need to process millions of new permits under the Prevention of Significant Deterioration and Title V permitting process. A shocking 230,000 new EPA bureaucrats at a cost of $21 billion — more than tripling the EPA’s total budget. In the filing EPA says it will reach these levels by April 30, 2016.

    Based on the historical relationship between the number of federal regulators and private sector employment recently quantified by the Phoenix Center the addition of 230,000 federal bureaucrats would destroy 22.5 million private sector jobs.

    The EPA doesn’t have to do this. The EPA and Obama White House have falsely claimed they were ordered to act by the Supreme Court in Massachusetts v. EPA, but the court in that case only ruled that the EPA had to decide whether to act based on the language of the statute. The same rationale they offered for phasing the rules in under the tailoring rule — administrative necessity and absurd results — are the valid legal reason they should have declined to act and left the political question of whether to act on greenhouse gases up to Congress.

    Since they seem intent on moving forward, Congress must step in and stop them. As soon as possible.

    Read more:

  319. Now watch: the next round of whining you will hear is how U.S. electric vehicle manufacturers can’t compete, just like the solar industry, because of China’s massive subsidies to their EV industries. And the environmentalists and government handout hogs will cry for more U.S. government “investment,” lest the Solyndra-like companies fail and the precious “Green jobs” (of the future!) are destroyed.

    GM and GE Go All-In for Chinese Subsidies
    Submitted by Paul Chesser on Mon, 09/26/2011 – 11:00

    Professional subsidy-sucking General Motors, which seems content to marinate in its taxpayer “investment” indefinitely, is getting ambitious. No, not in the sense of paying back the $50 billion U.S. government bailout, or in producing vehicles people actually want to buy, but instead in finding other governments to subsidize its products.

    Not surprisingly the new partner – in a 50-50 joint venture with the state-run auto industry – is China. And also unsurprisingly, General Electric will join GM in a related partnership in the communist nation.

    And you probably already guessed the agreements surround the development and sales of electric vehicles. But GM took great pains to emphasize that it does not have an ambitious plan in the Peoples’ Republic for the Chevy Volt – whose sales have been a dud in the U.S. – because it is not allowed to take advantage of generous Chinese government subsidies for electric vehicles, because the Volt (and also Nissan with its Leaf) are produced outside the country.

    Instead, in order to be able to grab the eye-popping $19,300-per-car incentives, automakers must share their technology with Chinese counterparts and produce the vehicles over there. So we now have the GM China Advanced Technical Center in Shanghai, adjacent to the company’s local headquarters and in a 50-50 partnership with Chinese state-run SAIC Motor Corporation. And rather than call it the Volt, the combined venture will likely develop and implement the electric technology in the Shanghai GM Chevy Sail model, which was introduced late last year. According to The Economic Times:

    The agreement finalizes a nonbinding memorandum on cooperation for green-vehicle development SAIC and GM signed last November. At the time, SAIC agreed to buy a 1 percent stake in GM through an initial public offering held to make GM a public company again and cut the U.S. Treasury’s stake in the company.

    In addition, the New York Times reported this week that “G.M. holds minority stakes in manufacturing joint ventures in China that sell more cars each year than G.M. sells in the United States. Of the move to jointly advance technology, GM vice president Stephen J. Girsky told the newspaper, “This is not a political decision today. It’s a business decision.” Undoubtedly it’s both.

    Meanwhile, as has been forecast many times by NLPC’s Mark Modica, GM is unloading a number of the worthless Volts on General Electric for use in China, it was announced Thursday. In addition, GE will install a number of charging stations (also certain to be subsidized) “at a government-assigned international EV demonstration zone in Shanghai’s Jiading District and at the GM Headquarters office in the city.” That will put a token number of Volts on the road in China (just like in the U.S.) to make it look like GM isn’t just after a naked grab of government subsidies – at least until the joint venture produces its electric Sail or other qualifying vehicle. As for GE’s motivations, Associated Press reported:

    GE builds natural gas-fired generators for utilities, electric motors, advanced electric meters and electric car charging stations, all of which could be in higher demand if drivers buy electric cars. The company estimates the expanding market could bring it up to $500 million in revenue over the next three years.

    The charging station installations replicate the infrastructure build-up efforts in the U.S., via grants from the Department of Energy, which subsidize the costly chargers for GE and other companies.

  320. Who knows who will be running in 2012, but so far, this is how I plan to vote if these folks are in the race:

    1st choice – Our girl, Hillary
    2nd choice – Trump
    3rd choice – Ron Paul
    4th choice – doesn’t matter as long as they run against Obama

  321. Ohanson,
    Your comment about the Diebold voting machines is priceless….perhaps that’s how people in the know say Obama will get 4 more years????

    The Chinese are killing us….we need tariff’s…or something…of coarse the ultra-rich just want to break the unions, lower wages so we can compete with China…..that’s OK with me as long as I can still qualify to own the same house I could before the lower wage….

    I think we should not allow chinese stuff in this country without taxation and let the Chinese pick all the deficit bill….why are we subsidizing China…

    The uber rich have invested in China…so they make money who ever is the one making the merchandize….

    This whole country is one big ponzi scheme.

  322. More solar scandals

    John Bryson, Obama Commerce secretary nominee, BrightSource Energy $1.37 billion federal loan guarantee.

    “Obama Commerce pick awarded $1.37 billion in ‘stimulus funds’ for another risky solar plant”

    “President Obama’s nominee for Commerce secretary served as chairman of the board of a solar energy company that recently received a $1.37 billion federal loan guarantee – the largest the Department of Energy has ever given for a solar power project.

    Now that company, BrightSource Energy, is attempting to build the world’s largest solar power plant amid concerns such ventures may be too risky an investment for the federal government.
    In June, BrightSource Chairman John Bryson was nominated by Obama to head the Commerce Department.
    Bryson is a co-founded an environmental activist group that is a member and funder of the controversial Apollo Alliance.

    The Apollo Alliance has boasted in promotional material that it was behind several of the Obama administration’s “green” initiatives, in addition to crafting “green” sections of the stimulus bill.

    Among Apollo’s board members are a group of extremists including:

    •Van Jones, President Obama’s controversial former “green jobs czar” who resigned in September 2009 after it was exposed he founded a communist revolutionary organization and signed a statement that accused the Bush administration of possible involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Jones also called for “resistance” against the U.S.

    Jones himself described the Apollo Alliance’s mission as “sort of a grand unified field theory for progressive left causes.”

  323. I could have told you that his fundraising numbers were going to come in low.

    I’m still on the Obama mailing list, because I like to see what they are up to. 😀 When I started getting begging letters every other day for the past two weeks, I knew the numbers were floundering.

  324. Confloyd, Ohanson,

    I did a lot of reading about Diebold several years ago. There were several murders (still unsolved) involving Diebold founders, in Florida, I believe.

    One of the many details I remember is how Diebold apparently had a program which would change votes from one candidate to another without displaying the change to the voter and based on some mathematical formula that would not change EVERY vote but just enough to swing the election to the preferred candidate.

    It was chilling then and it is chilling now and, yes, China was involved.

  325. BASIL99, the Obama administration could give a crap about alternative energy. It’s just a handy vehicle to flow the money through for all the rest of his agenda, because it’s generally popular, so people didn’t question money going there (until now.)

    Obama and his Chicago pals care about alternative energy about the same way the mob cared about those “construction projects” they used to launder money. It’s a pass-through, results or a viable business not required.

  326. Ouch. On Obama outsourcing foreign affairs:

    The evidence is pretty clear: Obama is outsourcing, with little or no top-down leadership or strategy. He has outsourced European affairs to Britain’s David Cameron. He has outsourced monitoring of the Arab Spring to both Cameron and France’s Nicolas Sarkozy. He’s outsourcing intelligence and military operations to well-paying private global-security firms to which Special Forces members and top performers have been flocking.

    Contentious statements have been outsourced to his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, who was the only one to speak up and ask for the return of the Lockerbie Bomber around the time of my column titled “Go Get the Lockerbie Bomber From Libya.” It was like Obama just sat there on the couch yelling at his mom to get the phone. He could have said something himself, or at the very least made an effort to stand somewhere nearby while Clinton said it.

  327. Agreed, Hillaryfortexas. It’s a money-laundering plan obvious to all who read beyond the headline one-liners.

    I think it will be shown – in retrospect – to be one of the most corrupt policies any POTUS has ever blank-checked.

    I still shake my head at anyone believing in the “fairy tale” of green energy before it has (if it ever will) evolved to the point of being financially viable and adequate to support the energy needs of all Americans.

    The believers are probably the same fools who voted for BO and swallowed his BS claim that “green” jobs were the solutions to all the country’s problems DESPITE proof, say after day, that it has been an abysmal failure.

    The Wizard of BOz will finally be uncovered but I wonder if, even then, his supporters will continue to spout his nonsense.


  328. Tens of Thousands of Anti-Aircraft Missiles Go Missing in Libya

    By: David Dayen Tuesday September 27, 2011

    As fighting continues in Libya, a disturbing new report reveals that over 20,000 surface-to-air missiles have gone missing in the country. This is a Brian Ross special, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but the White House basically confirmed the report in a morning press gaggle.

    U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner.

    But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.

    “Matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D.-California, a member of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy and Transportation Committee.

    The nightmare has been made real with the discovery in Libya that an estimated 20,000 portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses…

  329. Apparently Christie has reaffirmed his plan to stay in NJ. But there is a another Republican female star rising out of this:
    … New Jersey Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno on Monday tried to put to rest any speculation that Christie’s speech at the Reagan Library — part of the Perspectives on Leadership forum — indicates any plans for higher office. “I think the governor started something two years ago and we’ve got much further along in our agenda than we anticipated,” said Guadagno, who was serving as the acting governor all week while Christie tours Missouri, Lousiana and California. “I could easily get used to this, but I don’t think the governor is going to run for president…..”

  330. Diebold

    Murders Spies And Voting Lifes:

    The Clint Curtis Story is an incredible documentary which tells the story of a computer programmer who was contacted by a private company’ with ties to convicted chinese spies, to write a program that could be used to rig elections…what follows is the breaking of a massive conspiracy in which there would be hard evidence of vote manipulation via electronic voting machines-whether using Curtis’s program or the twenty year old bootloader hack which, as show by students at Princeton University, could be loaded onto any of these machines in less than a minute; the sketchy firing of two employees-one being Curtis himself- from the Florida Dept of Transportation; corrupt ties to leading members of Diebold-one of two companies responsible for vote counting in the US; and a dead Florida DOT investigator- Raymond Lemme RIP- who was privately investigating the claims made by Curtis…who conveniently commited suicide in Georgia, where autopsies are not done on suicide victims, as opposed to Florida where an autopsy would have been automatic. What really happened in 2000 to Al Gore and Ohio & Florida, and again in 2004… you can finally know the truth, and it ain’t pretty! 7 parts

    I haven’t watched this yet but I intend to.

  331. Jeebus. Okay, I highly doubt this Dem governor was serious, but it was a really bad thing for a politician to say.

    Speaking to a Cary rotary club today, N.C. Gov. Bev Perdue suggested suspending Congressional elections for two years so that Congress can focus on economic recovery and not the next election.

    “I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that,” Perdue said. “You want people who don’t worry about the next election.”

    The comment — which came during a discussion of the economy — perked more than a few ears. It’s unclear whether Perdue, a Democrat, is serious — but her tone was level and she asked others to support her on the idea.

    Read more:

  332. Disclaimer:

    While I did not vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004 in retrospect I am glad Gore did not win.

    I post the above info because I think both parties lie and conspire with one another and the elections are rigged, period.

    That’s one reason I am afraid BO will be reselected. Even though I have little faith in the election process and part of me thinks it doesn’t matter who’s in office, BO has proven so destructive, so anti-American, that I really fear his affect on the country. And I do believe that HRC would have been (and may still be) infinitely better.

  333. Perdue needs voting out of office for even suggesting such a thing if she was serious, thats just anti democratic and unamerican.

  334. Hill4TX

    …Obama and his Chicago pals care about alternative energy about the same way the mob cared about those “construction projects” they used to launder money. It’s a pass-through, results or a viable business not required.

    Yup, I agree.

  335. turndown: “And is the 200,000 a one-time cost?

    If each job pays 100,000 and lasts for 2 years, the program breaks even.
    If it pays 50,000 and lasts 4 years, break even.
    If it lasts indefinitely, then there’s a longterm gain.”

    When you say “break even”, you’re forgetting that the job is created with borrowed Fed money while the salary is going into the individual’s pocket.

    That individual, plus the rest of us, are going to have to pay back the $200,000 plus interest sometime.

    So the $50 K job will actually pay less than $50 K and will have to last much much longer than 4 years. I won’t even try to do the math of how long it will take.

    “But giving the money straight to a lot of unemployed would be good too: they’d spend it on haircuts and hamburgers, keeping the barbers and cooks employed. Maybe a safer bet.”

    That was in fact the idea of QE1, the first stimulus – to sustain demand – but it fell flat on its face: who knows who, if anybody, benefited from it? So what do we do? QE2 and QE3, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Somebody said that was the definition of insanity but I don’t remember who.

  336. Oh, FUCK no, Princess Peter. Not while I live and breathe.

    Obama’s former OMB director, Peter Orszag, says we need less democracy and more rulin’ by our betters, who aren’t prey to the vagaries of emotional politics like us uncultured serfs.

    You know, you really can’t have a smooth-running govt unless you leave it to the apparatchiks and committees, with broad power to run our lives for us.

    During my recent stint in the Obama administration as director of the Office of Management and Budget, it was clear to me that the country’s political polarization was growing worse—harming Washington’s ability to do the basic, necessary work of governing. If you need confirmation of this, look no further than the recent debt-limit debacle, which clearly showed that we are becoming two nations governed by a single Congress—and that paralyzing gridlock is the result.

    So what to do? To solve the serious problems facing our country, we need to minimize the harm from legislative inertia by relying more on automatic policies and depoliticized commissions for certain policy decisions. In other words, radical as it sounds, we need to counter the gridlock of our political institutions by making them a bit less democratic.,0&passthru=MGU3YjMxNDdlN2UyMjM2MTNhZGZjNDE2MjE2NjE2Nj

  337. And there’s this best reply in the comments to the elitist douchebag:

    09/26/2011 – 9:51am EDT | PeteBeck

    What Orszag is advocating is the transfer of even more power to well born and wealthy self selected governing elites — you know, people like him who after pricey private school and Ivy League schooling move without effort back and forth from powerful non-elected positions in government to extreme wealth in huge private sector corporations like, for example, Citigroup (whose bail out, continuation intact, and unindicted senior executives constitute a national scandal). For starters, as a credential Mr. Orszag should disclose his Citigroup salary and perks.

    Yes, Mr. Orszag, democracy is messy and many of the people involved are not of the sort you would invite home for dinner. But the alternative as both a practical matter and from an ethical point of view is far worse. The notion that there is some correct social policy that every enlightened person knows to be correct is simply absurd, and the notion that an unelected few should lord it over the rest of us (even the nut jobs in the Tea Party movement) is abhorrent.
    What we need are better leaders and more articulate and well organized spokesmen for the public interest willing to fight it out in the light of day. Turning things over to the bankers and bosses of big business and mammoth institutions has never been a satisfactory solution to any of our problems, and surely never will be.

  338. In other words, radical as it sounds, we need to counter the gridlock of our political institutions by making them a bit less democratic.

    Peter Orszag – EFF you and the lead calf you carried in.
    The sooner you are back to the hood, the sooner America will heal.

  339. Axlerod: Obama faces ‘titanic struggle’

    hehehe, and we know who won that fight, the great big friggin’ iceberg.

  340. Whats with these DEm Pols today going on about reducing democracy and suspending elections, have i walked into the 4th reich or something.

    4 Years ago with Hillary running, i never would have xpected this but now with Obama…….i should have known.

    I’ll rip their faces off with my bare hands if they try any of this shit.

  341. moononpluto
    September 27th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Axlerod: Obama faces ‘titanic struggle’
    Finally, he speaks the truth.

    Payback is a bitch.

  342. democrat1
    September 27th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    The main issue is not that Obama has an Hispanic problem, Jewish problem, blue collar whites problem, Cuban-American problem, white liberal problem, Catholic problem, gay problem, or Asian-American problem. What Obama has is an everyone problem.

    If I had a bus, this would be a great bumper sticker!

  343. Reading the comments on that Orszag article, , and many are going on about how awful and evil the supermajority rules are, and how the filibuster ought to be abolished.

    Regardless of whether you like the filibuster rule or not, it utterly disgusts me how so many laud it as a needed protection for the minority voice when out of power, then turn right around and get all hot to get rid of it when they are the ones in power.

    I’m not an idiot. I spent a LOT of time on lefty blogs from 2000 to 2008, and 99.9% of them were hailing the awesomeness of the filibuster rule. And I daresay that the filibuster rule will be magically popular again come 2013.

    It disgusts me when attitudes are so patently “too much govt power is bad in their hands, but peachy in our hands”, and they flip on a dime without so much as blinking. Fuck ‘em. Hypocrites.

  344. Shadowfax
    September 27th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Heckler Calls Obama “The Antichrist” At LA Fundraiser

    Ooooo, and the look on his face is priceless.
    He is toast and he is smart enough to know it.

    I expect that the anti Christ heckler will be a part of every campaign speech from now on, along with a group to start the “four more years” chant.

  345. Betty

    – along with a group to start the “four more years” chant.

    They can dress a donkey up in a mask of diamonds and black pearls, but under it, he is still a jackass.

    Everyone now knows he is a fake and a slacker, he is toast and he knows it. But…he will continue to cheat and steal every American penny he can for his re-election and enjoyment.

  346. Waters said, “I found that language a bit curious,” but went on to add defensively and foolishly: “We’re certainly not complaining. We are working. We support him, and we are protecting that base because we want people to be enthusiastic about him when that election rolls around.”

    (Story from LPAC. There, the headline is: “How Long Will Obama’s Constituents Defend Him? “)

    Forgive me, I know I am late the party but I listened and watched Maxine Waters give this interview re Prez Obama telling the CBC to take off their bedroom slippers and stop complaining and stop marching. I had a different take on the end of her interview than most. She was quite deft here actually…

    I did not think she was defending him, but rather threatening him, as if to say — you NEED our support so IF you want us to be enthusiastic WHEN THAT ELECTION ROLLS AROUND (ahem), it is not a good idea to address us in that “curious” way.

    Just my .02.

  347. “But giving the money straight to a lot of unemployed would be good too: they’d spend it on haircuts and hamburgers, keeping the barbers and cooks employed. Maybe a safer bet.”

    That was in fact the idea of QE1, the first stimulus – to sustain demand – but it fell flat on its face


    That’s two different issues: where the money comes from, and who it goes to.

    QE means inflation: printing more money (didn’t they just turn it over to the banks or some other big institution?). ‘Giving it to the unemployed’ doesn’t have to be QE money: it can be real money, like extending unemployment benefits etc.

    As to the definition of amnesia…. 😉

  348. Gee, I wonder how much they are paying those “4 more years” people to hollar that???? Well there’s some work for some of these unemployed….perhaps thats an Obama stimulus all of his own….LOL!

    No body I know or have asked wants this idiot for 4 more years….they gotta be payin these folks!

  349. Clinton calls on Europe to stem debt crisis
    (AFP) – 3 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday called on European governments to tackle reforms to stem the public debt crisis, citing no alternative to these “difficult decisions.”

    “We encourage countries to continue reform measures that will bring about renewed growth and improved competitiveness for the future,” she said after meeting with her Portuguese counterpart, Paulo Portas.

    Clinton, in rare public comments about economic matters, said at a joint news conference with Portas that they had discussed the economic challenges facing Portugal and Europe.

    “The Portuguese people and the government of Portugal have demonstrated impressive resolve in putting aside political differences to implement difficult austerity measures that are helping to stabilize the Portuguese economy, but also to set it up for long-term economic success,” she said.

    “Other countries and governments are still working to take such paths, and we expect European leaders to continue to ensure that the response to this crisis is strong, flexible, and most importantly, effective.”

    Clinton also acknowledged that the United States faces “a lot of the same challenges.”

    “We strongly support the common-sense effective efforts that we see being taken here under President (Barack) Obama and in Europe by various leaders,” she said.

    “We just want to make clear that we have to continue down this path. There are no shortcuts. And it’s not going to be easy, but it will, in my view, result in a return to economic prosperity in the future if we’re willing to do now what is required of us.”

    The Portuguese foreign minister vowed that his country would accomplish its commitments to the international community.

    “We’ll win this battle against the debt,” Portas said.

    Clinton’s comments came after a series of statements by Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner urging leaders of the eurozone countries to take action to prevent a financial contagion from Greece’s debt crisis.

    On Monday Obama said the crisis “is scaring the world,” while Geithner said the US would like to see Europe’s leaders take “those basic lessons” from Washington’s handling of the US financial crisis “and move more quickly now.”

  350. hmmm…interesting…

    ‘Bill Clinton’s criticism of PM doesn’t reflect US views’


    US State Department says former president Clinton’s comments blaming Netanyahu for impasse in peace process those of “private citizen.”

    The US State Department under Hillary Clinton is not endorsing the sharp criticism of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu voiced last week by her husband, former US president Bill Clinton.

    “President Clinton is a private citizen, his comments reflect his private views,” a US embassy spokesperson said Monday.

    The former president, who had a testy relationship with Netanyahu when he was president and Netanyahu was prime minister in the late 1990s, blamed Netanyahu for the impasse in the diplomatic process during a discussion last week with bloggers.

    His comments came even as the Obama administration’s public tone toward Israel changed dramatically last week, with US President Barack Obama’s sympathetic and empathic address at the UN.

    According to Josh Rogin’s blog on the Foreign Policy website last week, Clinton attributed the lack of a comprehensive peace agreement today to the Netanyahu administration’s refusal to accept the Camp David deal that he brokered in 2000, and the influx of Russian-speaking immigrants who he called “territorialists, the people who just showed up lately, and they’re not encumbered by the historical record.”

    His comments about the Russian-speaking immigrants echoes similar comments he made last year that raised eyebrows in Jerusalem.

    According to Rogin, Clinton said Netanyahu’s government has moved the goal post since taking power.

    Netanyahu, in various US television interviews he gave over the weekend, said he “respectfully disagrees” with Clinton.

    “I’ve offered to make peace with the Palestinians, sit down with them time and time again, and they’ve avoided it,” Netanyahu said when asked about the matter in an interview on Fox News.

    “He said actually that I moved the goal posts. You know what? He’s right. I moved them closer to peace. I said things and I did things that no previous prime minister has done. I froze the settlements for 10 months, the construction there. Nobody did that before.”

  351. Note, Susan stopped by in her limo on her way to Italy..also of interest is a movie she is making of the Weather Underground militants…can you imagine how clean and patriotic this bunch of Ayer & Co murderers are going to come out?


    Wall Street protests get a boost of star power, Susan Sarandon shows up at demonstration

    BY Christie Rotondo and Tracy Connor

    Tuesday, September 27th 2011, 12:35 PM

    Kevin Hagen for News
    Actress Susan Sarandon visits with Occupy Wall Street protesters Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan.

    Activists post identity of NYPD officer
    ‘Wall Street’ protesters vow to fight on
    Protesters cuffed, pepper-sprayed during march
    Police clashes with protesters
    Protesters continue Wall St. demonstration
    Wall St. protestors rail against corporate greed

    A week-old Wall St. protest got a little star power Tuesday in the form of activist actress Susan Sarandon.

    “I’m just here to be educated,” the “Bull Durham” star said as some of the young demonstrators in the crowd asked each other, “Who is she?”

    Sarandon, 64, stopped by the Occupy Wall Street encampment in Zuccotti Park on her way to catch a flight to Italy.

    The protesters peppered her with questions about climate change, consumerism and the economy.


    “It helps to focus on one thing to be accomplished,” she advised.

    “Is everyone here registered to vote? Are you having people sign petitions?”

    Sarandon is a veteran of protest marches and civil disobedience actions for liberal and humanitarian causes.

    Her latest film project is a movie about former Weather Underground militants.

    The protesters she visited are staging actions against major financial institutions. A march over the weekend turned violent, with a cop pepper-spraying some demonstrators.

    “I’m very happy to be here,” Sarandon said. “I’m here to support freedom of speech.”

  352. “QE means inflation: printing more money (didn’t they just turn it over to the banks or some other big institution?).”

    Yes, QE means printing money and inflation ensues. But money is minted by the Federal Reserve, who then lends it to the Govt. So it is still borrowed money and interest has to be paid on it.

    TARP was for the banks. We should have charged the banks 10% interest for any bailout money, then give them all they wanted.

    The stimulus should have gone into asset creation, and part of it did – that’s where Waffles brought us things like Solyndra.

    Another part of the stimulus went to shoring up States’ budgets to keep civil servants like teachers/cops/firemen on the job; but, as WJC said, that was “just treading water,” economically speaking.

    The rest – ie most of it – was just thrown out of an airplane with Bernanke in the back printing up more and more greenbacks. The rationale there was just to put money in people’s pockets to sustain demand, as you suggested.

    Transfer payments of this kind are very inefficient in economic terms. In fact, they are akin to the traffic in fictitious instruments on Wall Street – money passes from hand to hand and nothing is created or produced except signals flying around from computer to computer. Not even the money is real.

    That’s what you’re suggesting for the little guy without a job and, in a twisted sort of way, there is some justice to it, because then he would be making his living just like a great big Wall Street financier.

    Somebody’s got to stop passing the bucks around sometime – on Wall Street and on Main Street too.

  353. JanH: “…I froze the settlements for 10 months, the construction there. Nobody did that before.”

    Bibi apparently doesn’t want to remember Ariel Sharon, who not only froze settlements but removed them from Gaza. Sharon thought he was on the way to determining Israel’s final borders and was also trying to get national approval for removing the West Bank settlements.

    By the way, you may be surprized to know that I did not agree with the removal of those Gaza settlements. I wouldn’t agree with a possible removal of the West Bank settlements either.

    I feel that, if a Palestinian state comes to be, there should be Jews within it just as there are Arabs in Israel. Just for the symmetrical principle of the thing.

    You know that I favor an all-encompassing secular state that is neither Jewish or Arab, and there are people in Israel and the occupied territories who favor this. But if the two-state solution comes to be, I think the next best thing is to have mixed populations on both sides.

  354. Holy crapcakes Batman, I hope admin gives us a new thread….flippin’ down the page on an iPad is almost giving me a carpal tunnel wrist.

    Anyone listening to Christy? He’s too Rethug for me, but I like him.

  355. jeswezey
    September 27th, 2011 at 9:59 pm


    Just wondering why Jordan is never asked to take responsibility, i.e. give up land and/or give monies to Gaza.

  356. “Just wondering why Jordan is never asked to take responsibility, i.e. give up land and/or give monies to Gaza.”

    Don’t follow you and know next to nothing about Jordan. Why should they take responsibility for anything?

  357. While I did not vote for Bush in 2000 or 2004 in retrospect I am glad Gore did not win.


    You prefer Bush’s performance? Allowed 9/11, then used it to start wars we’re still fighting? Plus trashing Bill’s surplus.

  358. Henry, that is pretty cool, you are a thoughtful friend.
    I do have a new wifi keyboard…still in the box.
    I am a PC gal, so I need to find fault with this cool MAC toy, like were are the function keys on the touch keyboard? 😉

  359. jeswezey
    September 27th, 2011 at 10:27 pm


    Take a look at the real history of the region and you will have your answer.

    How convenient that today’s Arab propagandists forget that land east of the Jordan River was also part of “Palestine” and is, in fact, the Arab-Palestinian State!

  360. flippin’ down the page on an iPad is almost giving me a carpal tunnel wrist.


    Can’t the iPad do like a Ctl-End or something? I do that on a long thread, then read up from the bottom. Saves posting something that someone else has already said.

  361. That’s what you’re suggesting for the little guy without a job and, in a twisted sort of way, there is some justice to it, because then he would be making his living just like a great big Wall Street financier.


    No. Not necessarily. Unemployment payments and welfare of one kind and another have been around for a lot longer than ‘QE’.

    Down to specifics on this thread, someone was saying that the money Obama wants to spend on his jobs bill would be better sent direct to the workers.

  362. She was quite deft here actually…

    I did not think she was defending him, but rather threatening him, as if to say — you NEED our support so IF you want us to be enthusiastic WHEN THAT ELECTION ROLLS AROUND (ahem), it is not a good idea to address us in that “curious” way.


    Like Bill and Hillary, she needs to be deft in criticizing Obama. Imo she’s sort of testing the support, hinting, getting people used to the idea….

  363. Yes, Obama may be using green energy like the Chicago pols used housing projects.

    Doesn’t mean housing itself is fictitious or unnecessary, though. Except that Obama probably wants his green projects to fail, so his Big Oil and Nuclear donors will be happy.

  364. Bush ” allowed 9-11″?

    What did I miss???


    I don’t mean ‘Truther’. I mean Bush dismantled the anti-terrorism projects that Clinton and Gore had set up (Bush said they were unnecessary and a waste of money), and when some security person did warn him of a coming attaack, Bush said, “Ok, you’ve covered your ass, now leave me alone.” (Or words to that effect.)

  365. JanH: “Clinton calls on Europe to stem debt crisis”

    Hillary probably knows that this crisis is a financial crisis with a simple monetary solution, and not an economic crisis – that is, European economies are purring along just fine. Order books are full.

    The problem is a confidence crisis concerning the countries with high sovereign debts that they are hard pressed to pay, and by ricochet a crisis among the banks who loaned who loaned them that money in the first place.

    Europe’s reaction was to set up an “EMF” (European Monetary Fund pooling Euros) to offset the IMF who triggered this faux crisis.

    Then they talked with the BRIC countries, who agreed to lend them money.

    Then, much to the Germans’ dismay, they let some air out of the Euro (which has fallen from $1.44 to $1.36 in the last two weeks), which has the effect of cheapening European exports, increasing the prices of imports, and alleviating the debt burden for the countries taking the worst hits.

    This whole “crisis” resembles the one last year, when Wall Street/City played the “beggar your neighbor” game to cover up their own misdeeds, but this time the Europeans will weather it even better than they did last year because they’ve got the BRIC countries in their pocket now and an “EMF”, and they know the economies are still chugging along.

    I predict that in 3 months the Euro will be back over $1.40 and Euro stock markets will be rising steadily again.

  366. Don’t follow you and know next to nothing about Jordan. Why should they take responsibility for anything?

    Short version: After WWI a lot of Jordan and parts of Syria were originally part of “Palestine”, along with Israel. Jews and Arabs were spread throughout the region, and there was conflict. When the British separated stuff out, in an effort to end the conflicts, they and the League of Nations gave a small part of the whole to Israel, and a hell of a lot of land mass to all the rest of the “Palestinians”.

    Jordan has taken over huge parts of what was originally the “Palestinian” part of the partition. Arab states that took over parts of “Palestine” get to keep theirs, and aren’t accused of being nasty aggressors. Cause they’re not dirty Jooooooooos.

    IOW, the Palestinians were already given a homeland once. In what is now Jordan. But that’s not enough, because the point was never to have a homeland. The point always was, and still is, to drive the Jews out.

  367. ==============

    Bush dismantled the anti-terrorism projects that Clinton and Gore had set up (Bush said they were unnecessary and a waste of money),
    I didn’t know that, do you have a reliable link?

    BTWi there are no function keys on the iPad….sucks. No escape, or home, nor arrows, nada, just arrow for caps.
    Come on Mac, get with it!

  368. And jeswezey, I am not surprised that you aren’t aware of the history of Jordan re: Palestine. The propagandists have been very very thorough in whitewashing things so as to make people feel sorry for the poor homeless palestinians, who actually HAD a “Palestine” before it turned into Jordan.

  369. basil said:
    It’s a money-laundering plan obvious to all who read beyond the headline one-liners.


    How do you want Obama to launder his money? Miliary contractors maybe? If you kill green energy, he’s not going to become honest. He’ll find some other way to launder it.

    Whatever he does will be mostly waste. But here at least some useful research can be done, which will help our energy situation (and our breathable air) in the long run.

  370. Bush dismantled the anti-terrorism projects that Clinton and Gore had set up (Bush said they were unnecessary and a waste of money),
    I didn’t know that, do you have a reliable link?


    I’ll be out for a few days. Can someone else help with this?

  371. Bush dismantled the anti-terrorism projects that Clinton and Gore had set up (Bush said they were unnecessary and a waste of money),
    I didn’t know that, do you have a reliable link?


    I’ll be out for a few days. Can someone else help with this?

  372. turndownobama
    haven’t read it in a few years but I am pretty sure the 9/11 Commission report acknowledges that the warnings were given to the Bush administration and were ignored. The report also states numerous times that the biggest problem to national security are our porous borders with an s. Little has been done in 10 years to stem the flow of illegal immigration. Cause of course people willing to fly planes into buildings would never enter the country illegally. Responsibility for our secure borders is a failure of both parties and WJC gets some blame there as well.

  373. I just read on Yahoo News that Susan Sarandon joined the Wall St…Protestors!!! You know Obama has lost his base when this happens…unless she believes obama hasn’t been helping them….I think Obama is history unless the Diabold machines are fixed.

  374. Germany slams ‘stupid’ US plans to boost EU rescue fund
    Germany and America were on a collision course on Tuesday night over the handling of Europe’s debt crisis after Berlin savaged plans to boost the EU rescue fund as a “stupid idea” and told the White House to sort out its own mess before giving gratuitous advice to others.

    BO’s not the only one who can talk tough.

    BTW at this time on Drudge there is a sweet picture of a very tiny Nancy Reagan seated beside C. Christie.

  375. JanH & especially H4T: Thanks for the blowback about Jordan, I’ll do my homework on it like the amateur historian that I am. (But please don’t start with the ad hominem attack implying that I am an Arab propagandist or read only their stuff.)

    My first stop on the way of educating myself is simply “Palestine” in Wikipedia, where I find that the word stems from a reference to a people who lived there in the time of Ramses III, at about or just after the time of Moses.

    If we take Moses’ (ie the Bible’s own) description of the promised land that his God had promised him, it corresponds to today’s Israel + the occupied territories that Likud wants to annex.

    So, however intervening powers such as the Ottomans and the British Empire conceived of Palestine, and Syria’s and Jordan’s claims on it, “Palestine” seems to me to correspond historically to today’s Israel plus the occupied West Bank and Gaza, which would mean that “Palestinian” corresponds to all the people living or having lived in that area, whether Jewish, Arab or other.

    This further supports my idea of a non-ethnic and all-inclusive state for Palestine, in which Jews would have a majority holding, though with reduced majority.

    The fact that their majority would be reduced is why the Israelis forego annexing the West Bank and Gaza.

  376. Excuse me: In addition to my definition of Palestine in my post just above, the Bible references a vague area beyond the Jordan, thus eastward into today’s Jordan. During my first visit to Israel in 1979, my Israeli contacts said they intended to dry up the Dead Sea, ie remove it as a “barrier” in the military sense, and move eastward into the desert beyond, making it all part of the greater Israel that Likud, among others, dreams of re-establishing.

    This was post-1967 jingoism and dreams. Even Israel’s Dubya isn’t dreaming of that anymore, and in return, Amman and Damascus don’t seem to be too intent on recovering anything west of the Jordan or south of Golan, nor Egypt anything beyond the line of poplars in the Sinai.

    So, I still don’t see your point about Syria’s or Jordan’s “responsibility”. This is 2011, the British Empire is gone and however the Brits wanted to carve up the area they called Palestine is for the history books. Maybe the Brits wanted to undo the supposed wrongs of the Roman Empire? The Balfour Declaration would have it so.

    But in any case, and whatever you take to be “Palestine”, the ethnic Jewish state was established in an area that included other ethnic sets grouped under the roof of “Arabs”. Likud and the orthodox community in Israel want to establish a pure ethnic state with clear boundaries, and that calls for displacing the non-Jewish population. That, in my strongly held opinion, is the essence of this mid-East problem that seems to be so intractable.

    My solution is still: Let’s be modern, let’s be 21st century about this. Drop the dream of an all-Jewish Israel or Palestine as Moses’ god had promised, bring everyone under the same roof and treat them as full citizens in their own right.

  377. The likes of sarandon/penn/hanks make me chuckle. I know it makes me sound uber gay but I always watch the awards shows with my 5 year old monstrosity. We get dressed up( take her shopping in the little big city for a dress days before) and eat something she has never had , drink ginger ale from champagne flutes and stay up well past bedtime. Funny that during Bush’s time in office all the actors used the opportunity to sound off about their politics nary a peep from any of them since the boob took office.

    Many go on and on about the importance of arts in education but instead of doing something themselves with their wealth they want the government to take care of it. When hanks was at the fundraiser where he said four more years he was seated at a table of 12 or so 35k per head donors. Seems to me they could have funded 6 art teachers for a year with that ill spent money.

  378. democrat1, good find. henry, you are the greatest.
    My current offering, written by Byron York. I think wbboei has considerable respect for Byron.

    The myth of Republican unhappiness with the field |
    …Some Republican elites, not just members of the commentariat but also big GOP money men, are in fact unhappy with the field. But what about the voters? Is dissatisfaction with the Republican field widespread among the people who will actually decide the next GOP presidential nominee? Not really. “I do not know of any widespread unhappiness,” says pollster Scott Rasmussen. “Our polling shows that the vast majority of Republicans still are not certain how they would vote, but that’s a sign that it’s still very early in the process, not a sign of unhappiness.”
    “I’m not sure I’ve seen any,” says Republican pollster David Winston. “There is this sense that since we haven’t gotten to a clear, decisive winner, then that means there must be dissatisfaction. But it could mean that people are still thinking it through.” Anecdotal impressions support what the pollsters say. I have been in Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida in recent weeks and talked with a lot of voters. While a few are unhappy with their choices — there are always some voters who feel that way — there just does not seem to be much overall dissatisfaction with the field. Voters realize there is no perfect candidate in the race — that might be an understatement this time around — but that doesn’t mean they believe there is some perfect candidate out there over the horizon, waiting to enter the race….

  379. opposite end of the spectrum though are people like Robin Williams and Brad Pitt. Do a lot of good and stay out of areas of which they have little comprehension. Williams provided a full scholarship including a living stipend to Jessica Chastain(The Help, The Debt) to Julliard, his alma mater. She is the first in her family to attend college and she got into freaking Julliard. That is what I consider making a difference in a person’s life. tax him 10% more and 9.9% will be spent on bureaucracy. Guilting people who have worked damned hard to make a buck and are very generous with their bounty will backfire. Tax me more and I will give less.

  380. REASON does a very non emotion-driven, logical takedown of Elizabeth Warren’s remarks:

    In the video, she addresses an imaginary captain of industry:

    “There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own,” she lectures. “Nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you! But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory . . . .Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea—God bless! Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

    A few points.

    (1) This is a pretty powerful takedown—of a position nobody holds. Or at least nobody outside an Ayn Rand novel. If Warren can find someone who thinks he does not live in community with other people, then she might have an argument. But don’t sit on a hot stove waiting.

    (2) For someone who objects to the term class warfare, she sure draws a mighty bright line between “you” and “the rest of us.”

    (3) The question is not whether a captain of industry should pay taxes—but how much. Reasonable people can debate where to set marginal tax rates. But when the richest fifth of Americans pay 64 percent of federal income taxes while the bottom two-fifths pay less than 3 percent, the case for even greater progressivity is not beyond rational debate.

    (4) Outside of a few anarchist collectives, there isn’t a soul around who minds paying taxes for roads, cops, firemen, or schoolteachers. It’s the jillion other things government does—from corporate welfare to the Iraq war—that people object to.

    (5) Plenty of smart, well-meaning people also think even government’s core functions could be delivered better and for less—just as the Obama administration has used the Dartmouth Atlas to argue for greater efficiency in medical care. E.g., since 1970 inflation-adjusted per-pupil spending in public K-12 education has doubled. Class size has been cut in half. Neither change has produced any substantial effect on academic performance. Why don’t we have the equivalent of a Dartmouth Atlas for public education?

    (6) Warren’s remarks epitomize the caricature of a progressive as someone who loves jobs but hates employers. She implies the captain of industry is simply sponging off society and hoarding the proceeds. But hiring workers is a huge social good. So is providing a funding basis for pensions, which generally rely on stock returns. So is creating products people want. Five bucks says Warren has a smartphone and a DVR and a bunch of other modern conveniences, and that she didn’t buy any of them with a gun to her head. So why is she so mad at the people who offered to sell them?

  381. There’s a conversation over at crawdad about being an Independent voter. I said this:

    I don’t side with the D’s or the R’s. I side with the people, who get forced every 4 years to pick a lesser of 2 evils, and lean alternately R or D in an effort to get someone to listen. Some R’s actually listen better on some topics, and some D’s listen better on others. I side with sincere voters who want some truth and some representative govt that works efficiently – that neither abandons them nor intrudes on them. Some are well left of me, and some are well right of me. I don’t agree with all of them on every issue.

    But those people are who I side with. Always. No politician or party gets my “loyalty” anymore. My neighbors do, warts and all.

    Then votermom chimed in and said she considered herself an “Independent Populist”.

    I like that. I’m not an Indie, I’m an Ippie 😀 😀 I think that’s what I’ll call myself from now on.

  382. H4T,
    Warren is merely saying that that smart phone and DVR she owns were made in China and not here like they should be to fatten the already fat pocketbook of people without a conscious…who only give a crap about themselves, so they go to the place who can manufacture cheaper so they can make a bigger profit. When they should be supporting America and American jobs…..because they did not get to where they without the backs of the workers here in America…

    This is all leading up to getting those wages down to compete with China….I’ll believe that way as soon as it does not cost $3.00 for a loaf of bread….cost $1195. to see a Dr. in the ER and $66,000. for a gastric bypass….and $2000. a day for a room in the hospital….I bet it doesn’t cost anywhere near that…to have all these things in China..???

    GE who got to be the best manufacturer of medical equipment is now moving to china to maximize their profit….who also paid no taxes on roads or infrasturction….who paid no taxes to help pay for the Iraq war….yet made money on the Iraq war….so now they are going to China…yah think China is going to go into foreign countries and keep the peace so big companies can go in there an exploit its natural resources for them…..NO….not unless China was getting something out of it.

    I just get sick of everyone who absolutely have no conscious….I’m sick of lazy, unproductive people living off the government check as much as anyone….but you can’t cut the workers throat.

  383. confloyd, while I agree with the complaints you are making about China, that is not what Warren was saying in the video clip. She did not talk about China, and she did not single out GE. It was a blanket class warfare attack on a theoretical rich business owner who had a factory here in the US.

    I don’t dislike Warren. Not at all. She’s right on a lot of other stuff. But her hyperbole in that speech she gave was chock full of ridiculous holes.

  384. Oh my!

    September 26, 2011, 6:03 pm
    On Obama Turf, A Plea for Clinton Intervention


    LOS ANGELES—As the president’s motorcade whisks him from Los Angeles International Airport to West Hollywood for the first of two fund-raisers on Monday night, he may notice signs of dissatisfaction: Posters of Mr. Obama’s secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, have been plastered around the city, with the caption “Save Us Hillary.”

    This city is certainly still friendly turf for the president, even as his approval rating continues to slip. He won California with 61 percent of the vote in 2008, and Los Angeles donors continue to line his reelection coffers. But Sabo, the self-described libertarian street artist who put up the posters, is hoping to foment discord among the Democrats. His Facebook page also shows many other, more incendiary political posters, including one that places the Obama “O” logo in the middle of a Skinhead flag.

    “I was thinking about how I could divide the party,” he said. “With Obama taking the beating that he’s been taking these days, I’m sure then women’s movement is wondering what would have happened if Hillary had been elected.”

    Sabo is hardly the first of Mr. Obama’s critics to suggest that Mrs. Clinton should run—Dick Cheney recently called another Clinton candidacy “not a bad idea” — perhaps in an effort capitalize of Mr. Obama’s low poll numbers and reopen old Democratic Party wounds from the 2008 primary.

    In response to Mr. Cheney’s comment, Mrs. Clinton told CNN that there was a “below zero” chance that she would challenge Mr. Obama in a 2012 Democratic primary.
    Even if Mrs. Clinton doesn’t challenge Mr. Obama, Republicans are hoping that liberal dissatisfaction with him will entice some traditionally Democratic voters to cross the aisle, or at least stay home.

    Last year, William DeJean, a 49-year-old dentist from Chicago, spent $5,000 dollars of his own money earlier this month to run ads in New Orleans supporting Mrs. Clinton for president in 2012. But since she announced that she would not run, he has switched his support to Jon M. Huntsman Jr., a Republican candidate. He plans to run a TV spot for Mr. Huntsman in Los Angeles in a couple of weeks.

    Derek Shearer, a professor of diplomacy at Occidental College in Los Angeles who served as ambassador to Finland during the Bill Clinton administration, said he did not expect many Democrats to go as far as to support Republicans. But he said that his students, many of whom went door-to-door for Mr. Obama in 2008, might be less likely to volunteer or donate money.

    “Hollywood is still enamored of Obama,” he said. “But there is really a lack of enthusiasm for most people.”

    Mr. Shearer suggested that to re-energize his base, Mr. Obama might in fact need Mrs. Clinton’s help—as a vice presidential candidate, instead of as Secretary of State.

    “That is how he could take the disappointment and turn it in a positive direction,” he said. “If he wants to generate enthusiasm close to the levels of 2008, it would really energize the women’s vote in particular.”

    And in case anyone was wondering, the chances that Mr. Obama will see the sign during his swift trip to Los Angeles is fairly remote. While the White House understandably has not provided route information in the past – including where he might go via helicopter or presidential limousine – he likely will not pass any of the “Save Us Hillary” posters. Los Angeles commuters stuck in traffic due to presidential road closures are more likely to see them.

  385. jeswezey
    September 27th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Why? Because that has worked so well in the past?

  386. HillaryforTexas
    September 23rd, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Agreed! That was bullshit to the supreme!

  387. not unless China was getting something out of it.


    Nor is China subsidizing their own green energy projects without getting somethign out of it. Either they’re making a profit now by underselling Solyandra etc, or they expect to make a profit in future by driving non-Chinese green manufacturers out of business now. (Or just maybe, after getting quick profit from exporting their first panels, they plan to use the rest of them in China….)

  388. Then votermom chimed in and said she considered herself an “Independent Populist”.


    I consider myself a PUMA.

  389. REASON does a very non emotion-driven, logical takedown of Elizabeth Warren’s remarks:


    Sorry, but it was neither. The REason article is full of emotion-pushing words, and ignoring her point.

  390. Williams provided a full scholarship including a living stipend


    Charitable donations are a loophole worth expanding.

  391. Voters realize there is no perfect candidate in the race — that might be an understatement this time around — but that doesn’t mean they believe there is some perfect candidate out there over the horizon, waiting to enter the race….


    Illogical. You can be unhappy with current choices WITHOUT believing there’s a perfect candidate coming.

    (Not saying the GOP voters are unhappy, just that point was nonsense.)

  392. turndown, reason quoted her directly, and addressed each of her points. Which point did they ignore?

    If you mean that she has other points, made at other times, they they did not address, then fine. But they made no claim to be addressing Warren’s entire career and every speech she ever made. They were addressing what she said on the youtube that got circulated.

    Please quote for me a point that Warren made in that video that Reason ignored.

  393. turndownobama
    Don’t know if he took a deduction for the action. He has never spoken about it. She has three main stream movies in wide release and several others in the can. She is a rising star. First in her family to go to any college and she went to Julliard. with that talent she probably would have been provided tuition by the school but she couldn’t have lived and thrived in NYC without the stipend.

  394. I had a good laugh with all of the comments that I had read with regards to the Øbama administration mixing up Wyoming with Colorado. So many were priceless. Looks like the White House Baracked Up again.

  395. I just watched and read what I could find on Elizabeth Warren. No fan am I.
    She is an academic. Pure and simple. she has no clue what it is to run a business. Biggest problem in a small business is employee theft. If i hire someone and they agree to work for ten dollars an hour we have a contract. When the employee is not doing his job while I am paying him he is stealing from me. I have less of a problem with the employee giving away free drinks than i do with the person just not doing his job. Doesn’t have to work for me. Quit. Go ahead. Just don’t call me a villain for paying 3 dollars over minimum wage and asking my people to do their job. I am not their enemy. I make money they make money. Resenting me for being a success does neither of us any favors.

  396. basil,

    Maybe you didn’t know that Bush cut the anti-terrorism projects that Gore had set up, and ignored warnings of 9/11.*

    But do you really like Bush’s other actions better than what POTUS Gore would have done? Really?

    Invaded Iraq, FISA, torture, Al Ghirab?, Katrina, wasting Bill’s surplus….

    And do you think a POTUS Gore would have let the Democrtic party fall to Obama? More likely, as soon as Hillary showed interest, Gore would have retired in her favor.


  397. On Drudge now: POLL SHOCK

    Obama 39%, Cain 34%

    I like Cain as a person, and disagree with him on a lot, think he’s very sensible on other stuff.

    But one reason I’d love to see him to win the GOP nod, or at least go the distance, is that I want to see the Democratic party and Obama twisting themselves into knots to explain how it’s all a racist plot and Cain is not really black.

    Cain winning, or even doing well, sort of pulls the rug out from under their race-baiting strategy. Oh, they will say it doesn’t, but everyone knows it does. Occam’s razor and all that. If you have to go to great conspiratorial lengths to explain how all those people voting for the black man are still racists, you just make yourself look ridiculous in the eyes of the public.

  398. What was the comment that I recently came across in which Øbama slipped in saying the word “Jew” instead of what he “meant” to say which was the word “janitor”?

  399. I find Cain interesting but I don’t know if I want him leading the largest organization in the world because he deftly handled a pizza venture. We are a mess and from my perspective it is Hillary or Palin. Just seems to me that neither is owned by anything but their own conscience.

  400. But they made no claim to be addressing Warren’s entire career and every speech she ever made. They were addressing what she said on the youtube that got circulated.


    Dunno how big a clip Reason addressed. They may have not done their homeowrk, or they may have cherry-picked. But the whole article is straw-manning Warren.

    Her point is proportionality. A larger business has drawn more from public infrastructure, so should pay more in taxes.

    Her point was that the larger a business is, the more use it has got from government programs. The more employees — the more people the public schools have educated to make employable. The larger a plant — the more police needed to protect it. Etc.

    And if their presentation is your standard of ‘non-emotion-driven’ — !!.

  401. turndownobama
    September 28th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Your comment is full of speculation. You have no idea what Gore would have done.

  402. nomobama
    September 28th, 2011 at 11:57 am


    We DO know what Bush DID. Does Basil really think Bill’s VP could have done worse?

  403. Personally, I voted for Gore, too, and I am very happy that he did not become president AFTER THE FACT. He is liar playing up pseudo science garbage while investing in the companies that would benefit from his promotion. Yeah, that’s the type of guy I like to see running things. Just like Øbama.

  404. Shadowfax
    my pleasure
    debating an ipad myself. Laid a piece of chewed up gum on some celophane on my kobu reader and the thing died have tons of digital books already purchased and think rather than buying another ereader might make sense to just get an ipad. what do you think of reading books on ipad? Kindle is out of consideration as i already bought books from non-compatable formats.

  405. henry said:
    Just don’t call me a villain for paying 3 dollars over minimum wage and asking my people to do their job.


    Where did Warren say anything about employee theft?

  406. Don’t know if he took a deduction for the action. He has never spoken about it.


    Would you expect him to announce it? Point is, raising taxes won’t stop such donations, if the donation deduction is kept/expanded.

  407. I voted for Gore, too, and I am very happy that he did not become president AFTER THE FACT.


    After the fact, are you glad Bush was in office those years instead of Gore? You liked what Bush did better than what you SPECULATE Gore might have done?

  408. turndownobama
    She paints the job provider as a bad guy. The woman has no clue. She is an elitist and wants to dictate her philosophy. I agree with a shared responsibility but the operative words are shared and responsibility.

  409. Again, turndown, I would like for you to point out in what specifics the Reason article was wrong, in addressing what Warren actually said, rather than generalizing what she “really meant”.

    Please tell me what the article said that was incorrect.

  410. Employee theft was the problem I encountered in my brief visit of being self employed. I work, I steal nothing from my employer…but I’m also working not only my job which I was educated for, I am now working another position while I’m still working my job….so who is the theif here??? Trying to make a bigger profit by working the employee beyond their limit….just as they do in China…countless educated nurses are being asked to take on more and more tasks besides nursing, yet the companies still expect the patient to be taken care of exceptionally….well that can’t happen….when your ER nurses are your respiratory techs, housekeepers, admitting clerks, and venipuncturist…how the hell can you give great care….Henry can you answer that question? Its the greedy getting greedier while expecting the same job performance. Now I even see the ER Dr.s pitching in….you can’t say they are uneducated, but some don’t they just get mad at the whole system….and blame Obamacare, when really its the greedy shareholders and managers that gets huge bonus’s by working people beyond their limit. I’ve worked places that when I got off work, I barely had enough energy to drive home..

  411. turndownobama
    Raising taxes on those who already give a lot will impact donations to charities. Why would you give if you are screamed at that you don’t give enough? Screw the Girl Scouts oblah blah blah just tokk ten grand more from me. Ask him to help you.

  412. While there has to be some sort of call back of all these folks on disability who don’t deserve to be on it….lets not chump the whole of the american worker in the dumpster. People forget that Americans and average ones at that, built this country….so lets not just chunk down them toilet…that’s all I’m saying!

  413. I tell you what…I voted for Gore and so did my whole family….and YES I wish Gore would of been President…hell he won the election….just like Hillary won the primary….so its suppose to go to the winner, right? Or are we China already…and yes I think we are! Someone besides us is picking the President!

    I like NONE of them….I still believe Hillary should of been President and so should of Gore….just think where this country would be now if the winners would of got their seat….a whole lot better off.

  414. Good to know this information on Paine’s site, and it seems it’s a recent post (Saturday, September 10, 2011).


    From the day after the attack to this day, Bush Rice and Cheney blamed the ability of the 911 attacks on “faulty intelligence” when the only faulty intelligence was at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue. The press typically ignored the evidence presented at the 911 Commission hearing because they were clearly afraid and intimidated, as always, by the prospect of Republican attacks accusing them of being unpatriotic if they leveled criticism and accusations at Bush. For the Democrats, they also as usual, joined the press in the fetal position, afraid of the same thing and, for all their crowing about their love of national security, the goal of Republicans was to cover up what amounted to the worst case of gross negligence by a president in regards to national security in American history.


    Maybe that’s why Bush had that dumb pet goat look on his face when he got the news of the attack.

  415. confloyd
    WOW! I was talking about small businesses. I know zip about the health care industry other than having been born with a serious heart condition and spent my youth in and out of hospitals.
    That being said I did kind of grow up in an environment which was ill-conceived but had my life as an issue.
    Call me crazy but all of the non-profit hospitals have a billion dollars in trust and they are turning away patients. Pay zero in tax as they are part of a university. Kill the charitable(Catholic Hospitals) pay no taxes and yet deny treatment

  416. Turndown, for all you know, Gore could have done EXACTLY what Bush did during his presidency. You think that Gore or even Clinton would not have attacked Iraq? Bill Clinton lobbed some rockets at Libya, didn’t he? And for what purpose? Was it justified in your eyes? Saddam Hussein was playing games, and guess what, he played the wrong one, and he paid for it. If he had shown any sign of real cooperation, I think that Iraq would not have been attacked. It is what I believe. Yes, the Iraq war has been costly. I also believe that there was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the war. To this day, this country is paying for that immensely. Yet, Saddam Hussein is gone, and there is a real possibility that a democracy may take hold there, yet Iran’s intervention is a big problem. I feel for the Iraqis in general, but more so for the Iraqi Christians who have been marginilized ever since their Arab conquerers arrived in THEIR land hundreds of years ago. I don’t like the Iraq War one bit, but once a war is started, you better be in it to win it.

  417. I used to believe right after the election for a period of about 1 year that Al Gore had truly won the state of Florida. I no longer believe that. Also, people casting ballots incorrectly is unfortunate, but their votes count as cast, not as intended.

  418. “Outrageous!

    Maybe that’s why Bush had that dumb pet goat look on his face when he got the news of the attack.”
    Richard Clark and others have said that during the transition, the Bush “team” only wanted to talk about reasons for going to war with Iraq. Clark kept pushing the threat from terrorism and was demoted. Bush had one goal (and one can speculate about the reasons) and that was the Iraq war. He began talking about it during the primary and his handlers had to keep at him to STFU.

  419. JanH

    LOS ANGELES—As the president’s motorcade whisks him from Los Angeles International Airport to West Hollywood for the first of two fund-raisers on Monday night, he may notice signs of dissatisfaction: Posters of Mr. Obama’s secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, have been plastered around the city, with the caption “Save Us Hillary.”

    This city is certainly still friendly turf for the president, even as his approval rating continues to slip. He won California with 61 percent of the vote in 2008, and Los Angeles donors continue to line his reelection coffers…


    I love those signs, and I hope he and his MO see them and go into a rage!

    Hillary won over Barry in the primary!!! Take that!!!

    CA is as blue as can be, and Nasty is to blame for Hillary’s delegates not voting in the convention, not only not voting, they were not there in numbers because Nasty didn’t tell them the time to vote was moved up. She knew the CA Hillary delegates were going rouge.

    F Baracko Bama!

  420. shadowfax
    I got an email yesterday asking me to search for HRC which said use anything but the obama propoganda machine google
    No clue as to where the email came from or how they got my address but email referenced google and youtube as big brothers daddy.

  421. Henry, not all “academics” are ivory-tower dingbats. And in my opinion the Reason magazine article is not at all reasonable – it’s a sophomoric rant. I think you might like to know more about Elizabeth Warren before you give her a thumbs-down. The middle class and small business concerns are her passion. My partner and I know a great deal about the difficulties of running a small business – almost 40 years experience in MA – and we are very interested in her potential as a senator. We voters of MA only elected Brown to slap the party, but he’s a dud.

  422. henry
    September 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    my pleasure
    debating an ipad myself. Laid a piece of chewed up gum on some celophane on my kobu reader and the thing died have tons of digital books already purchased and think rather than buying another ereader might make sense to just get an ipad. what do you think of reading books on ipad? Kindle is out of consideration as i already bought books from non-compatable formats.
    As a life long PC person I have to admit iPad is a damn good toy.
    If I had the choice of a laptop or iPad, I would pick the laptop because of the functionality and the screen size for multitasking.

    If you want to use an iPad for most things, you should drag around a wifi keyboard for it and you need to buy decent apps to used it like Office.

    That being said, it is light, great image resolution and easy to use. You can read pretty much any ebook by downloading the right app. Game apps are fun and everything is clear and pretty.

  423. SHV
    Bush had one goal (and one can speculate about the reasons) and that was the Iraq war. He began talking about it during the primary and his handlers had to keep at him to STFU.

    I agree and I always thought that Bush wanted to ‘finish’ the war with Saddam like his pappy couldn’t.

    I think he was trying to show his dad that he was a strong man, and not just a life long, wealthy slacker.

  424. henry
    king me to search for HRC which said use anything but the obama propoganda machine google
    No clue as to where the email came from or how they got my address but email referenced google and youtube as big brothers daddy.


    It’s called SPAM henry, don’t waste your time.

  425. 10/4 is RUN, Sarah, RUN day!
    I suggested this over at c4p, and I think the readers are game for it.
    October 4 is the day the DVD release day for The Undefeated, and we are going to make it “Run, Sarah, Run” day.
    If you want Sarah Palin to run for President, then on October 4, bloggers, tweeters, facebook members, anyone with access to a keyboard, post a message that says “Run, Sarah, Run.”
    Let’s see if we can make this go viral. If it does, it will scare the pants off the establishment on both sides.
    Spread the word.
    It will be FUN!

    admin, hope you join in! 🙂

  426. A new Washington Insider is up at a href=””>The Ulsterman Report It appears everyone is continuing to fall apart and everything with it. “He still has his hardliners around him. They will not give this up. Jarrett will break him apart if needed. Too much money on the line. They owe people. Pulling the plug is not an option for them.”

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