The Daily Kook Klutz Klan (And Republican Debate Night)

There’s a blazing amount of news today which we will not be able to discuss in detail (we will be watching and discussing the Republican debate tonight in the comments however). We have racists to fry on the agenda today.

Republicans, conservatives, sane people, Hillary Clinton supporters, FDR Democrats, honest people, knowledgeable people, reality based people, will think we are wasting our time with today’s discussion. But hear us out as we sing the praises of sweet Justice.

In 2007 and 2008 anyone who opposed Barack Obama was labeled a “racist”. Hillary Clinton supporters felt the first “racist” knife in the back during the primaries. John McCain supporters felt the same “racist” knife shortly thereafter during the general election.

A great deal of the race-baiting came from money grubbing charlatans like Donna Brazile and Al Sharpton. However, the daily dose of minimum daily race-baiting and “racist” shouts came from the website we call DailyKooks.

The owner of DailyKooks, an effeminate homophobe called Markos Moosesomething or other, delighted in shouting “Racist!” at Hillary Clinton and her campaign. At one point Markos Moosesomething accused the Hillary Clinton campaign of darkening the face of Barack Obama in photographs in order to scare off white people.

Everyday on DailyKooks was/is a race-baiting hatefest against Hillary Clinton, John McCain, the white working class, voters/anyone who saw corrupt treacherous boob Barack Obama for the corrupt treacherous boob he is and said so. If you did not cheer-lead the boob along with the cult you were a “racist” pure and simple.

The charge of “racist” is now so common from Barack Obama supporters that laughter is increasingly the response. School children have even taken to mocking stupid mistakes or anything wayward, actually just about anything, as “racist” in the ultimate statement of hip mockery of the “racist” charge.

There’s even a rap band called “Das Racist”. Das Racist is born in good humored mockery of what is now the equivalent of MSG in bad Chinese restaurants – the always ready to be heaped on “racist!” charge. Das Racist:

“When I saw the little kid yelling “THAT’S RACIST” it blew my mind. And then it became a game … to take all the seriousness out of making legitimate commentary on race, because that can get very annoying. So when something veering on racially insensitive would pop off in a commercial on television or something it would be like, who could yell “That’s Racist” first. And then we thought it would be a cool name.”

Oooh Das Racist. By sheer coincidence their new album Relax will be released tomorrow (and no we are not paid shills or unpaid shills for them). But good for Das Racist for exposing Taco Bell and Pizza Hut (Cole Porter they’re not).

But we digress. Back to DailyKooks (hereinafter, the Kook Klutz Klan).

It turns out that the fire of race-baiting these arsonists lighted is consuming the now exposed RACISTS themselves. Put aside your sanity and try to follow us as we venture into the Kingdom of the Kooks. Here is an entry to delight called “How to Criticize Obama without being a Racist”:

“OK, if you clicked that link, surely you are aware of the Great Purge of 2011, and resulting Great Boycott of 2011. You may or may not be aware that much of the Sturm und Drang is about the role of race in progressive criticism of President Obama. There were and are a group of Kossacks who believe that race plays a significant role in the heavy fire that is being directed towards the President from the left, some of whom took it upon themselves to “push back” against it. This push back did not for the most part go over well with the alleged perpetrators of these critiques who almost invariably believe that their feelings about the President have nothing to do with his race.

Are you with us thus far? Explanation: There is a “great purge” and a “great boycott” going on in that racist website. Apparently there are some disgruntled Hopium addicts who are not happy with Boob Obama. A group of Black Kooks became so upset with the whitey frat boy punks attacking Boob Obama they decided to fight back by calling everyone who attacks Obama a “racist.” The fray boy whiteys (the ones that call Hillary supporters “racist”) did not like being called “racists” and they claim their critique of Boob Obama is based on Obama being a boob not on their whitey frat boy racism.

Let’s continue with this Kooky tale:

“This conflict erupted in almost every rec-listed diary critical of the President, and pretty soon we were into HR battles, calls for the banning of certain posters, and GBCW’s. We have no idea why Meteor Blades left, but before he did so, he himself received some criticism for his failure to take appropriate action against certain participants in this battle. With Meteor Blades gone, things escalated and Markos was forced to step in. Step in he did, without nuance or subtlety, and the hammer fell indiscriminately, and, it turns out, disproportionately against members of Black Kos, especially female ones. Thus, the boycott.

Some of my favorite Kossacks are in the group banned, and in the group boycotting, but this particular (half-)black man is not boycotting because I don’t see the injustice. I think that everyone who received disciplinary action deserved it, and that it’s Kos’ right and responsibility to take action countering abuse of his website, however clumsily he might accomplish that.”

We’ll explain the above kookiness from the half black Kook who supports the racists: The Black Kooks shouted “racists!” on every “diary” (that’s what they call the wild ravings posted there) critical of Boob Obama. This machine gun “racist” charge led to further unpleasantness. A creature called “Meteor Blades” left the kingdom, many instances of the ratings system these Kooks use appeared to be abusive and various participants were banned while others said GBCW (Good-bye Cruel World) and left the racist site.

In short, the Chickens Have Come Home To Roost. Those who yelled “racist” the loudest are now called “racist” themselves and they don’t like it.

But that is not the end of this racist tale of the Kook Klutz Klan. The Head Kookkker, Markos Moose…. attempted to bring peace to the valley. How did the Head KKK bring peace? It turns out he started to ban the Black Kooks. So not only do the whitey frat boys who called us “racists” get called “racists” themselves, the Black Kooks who shouted “racist!” at the whitey frat boys are lynched (did we just go there?) by the Head KKK.

Meanwhile the whitely frat boy faction is dismissing the “disparity argument” and saying it is coincidence that a group of Black Kooks who had organized themselves as Black Kooks are the target of the lynching by the Head KKKer.

Not to be left out, the few Kook Jews on the KKK site are upset with the antisemitism of the DailyKKK and are walking the plank as well. Usually when you find genuine racism you will unearth genuine antisemitism. The DailyKKK is a cesspool of hate, racism and antisemitism.

Oh and about that article on how to criticize the boob and not be racist. Saying Obama lacks testicular fortitude or “balls” is borderline “racist”. Calling him “Barry” is “racist” in the Kingdom of the Kooks. Wonder what calling him a “treacherous corrupt boob” is? [Everybody shout out loud “DAS RACIST!!!!]

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As we laugh at the chickens coming home to roost, tonight we will be watching the CNN/Tea Party Republican debate in Florida. The Republican debate will be on at 8:00 p.m. ET. Tonight will probably be a Social Security pie fight featuring Romney versus Perry (with Bachmann possibly coming in with her own Lemon Meringue).

Mitt Romney was endorsed today by former opponent and ObamneyCare epithet source Tim Pawlenty. Not to be outdone, Rick Perry was endorsed by Bobby Jindal the Governor of Louisiana.

That’s how we will end the day, with the debate. The day started with a Gallup poll, served up by the Crawdads, indicating that after last week’s “pass the [non-existent] bill” publicity stunt Obama’s Gallup poll numbers have gone – down.


231 thoughts on “The Daily Kook Klutz Klan (And Republican Debate Night)

  1. Repost but deserved.

    Holy Crap.

    Calif. campaign finance scandal widens , Dianne Feinstein “WIPED OUT”

    “I was wiped out too, we don’t know how much,” said Feinstein, indicating the losses in campaign funds could run into hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars. Feinstein, who is up for reelection next year, reported just over $5 million in the bank as of June 30, according to disclosure reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

    “She did my ‘92 campaign, my ‘94 campaign, my 2000 [campaign], my 2006 [campaign] … my gubernatorial campaign,” Feinstein told POLITICO on Monday, describing her long relationship with Durkee. “I trusted her implicitly.”

    Feinstein said she and her campaign staff have been unable to access all their bank records at this point because Durkee alone controlled access to the account, which has made it difficult for them to assess how much money is gone.

    “It’s very painful,” Feinstein added.

  2. The introduction by CNN is a series of biased “assessments” of all the Republican candidates. Bachmann is “the firebrand”. How’s that for fairness from CNN?

  3. Seriously, The Daily Kooks? It’s cocktail hour and I am having a blast hoping that Markos reads this post. 😀

    I’m sure he’d get his knickers in a twist. He doesn’t like being called names, but he really likes calling others names. Quite appropriate name for the jackhole.

  4. Opening statements:

    Huntsman: I have experience

    Cain: Country’s in trouble

    Bachmann: I am the Tea Party caucus founder.

    Willard: WTFuture with experienced brighter future Mitt.

    Perry: I’m proud to make D.C. inconsequential.

    Paul: Hooray for the Constitution.

    Newt: It’s 9/12. I’m against special interests.

    Santorum: I used to win elections in Pennyslvania.

  5. Moonpluto, I like your name equally as well.

    BTW, Molly Ivins always referred to Rick as Gov Goodhair. Romney is Wonderbread.

  6. Question: How to convince voters that Social Security needs to be changed.

    Bachmann: Those on SS do not have to fear. Obama stole 500 billion dollars from medicare to fund his health scam.

    Question: Perry you’ve called SS a ponzi scheme. But your article today indicates you have changed your mind.

    Perry: Those on SS do not have to fear. Younger people have to fear. Others have called it a ponzi scheme before me. I will fix it and tell the truth about it being broken.

  7. Question to Romney: You’ve said an opponent of SS cannot win.

    Perry’s answer was better tonight. But should not be called a ponzi scheme. We need to fix SS. Does Perry still think it is unconstitutional?

    Perry: I’m not going to defend what happened in the 30s. We should think about moving SS to the states. [To Romney] You’re trying to scare seniors.

    Romney: You’re the won scaring seniors. I think SS is necessary.

    Perry: You called SS criminal.

    Romney: No, I said taking money out of it by congress is criminal.

    Paul: We need to keep SS money for SS not for other uses. I support a transition to allow young people to get out of SS. How to fund it is the question.

  8. Cain: SS is broken. We need to allow people to opt out of it. Allow younger workers the option to opt out. Senior citizens have nothing to fear.

    Q: Huntsman is anything off the table?

    Huntsman: Romney called it a “fraud” and Perry calls it a ponzi scheme. We are frightening Americans. We can fix it, we need leadership.

    Q: raise the retirement age?

    Newt: We are not scaring senior citizens…. Obama scares them every day.

    Q: What would you do to fix SS.

    Newt: Obama said he could not guarantee delivering SS checks. Young people should beware.
    We need a full employment economy. Let young people opt out for personal accounts.

  9. Q: How to get spending under control while protecting seniors?

    Newt: There is so much waste. Modernize the government. Balance the budget. Go to strongAmericaNow. Modernize the federal government. Lots of Medicare/Medicaid fraud.

  10. Q: Would you repeal your vote for prescription drugs for seniors?

    Santorum: The program is under budget. It’s a private, not government program.

    Perry: Get rid of the waste and fraud. There’s lots of it. I would not repeal.

    Romney: I would not repeal but reform Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. I know about taking out waste. There is a lot of waste but not enough. We need to cap federal spending and a balanced budget amendment. We also need to grow the economy to get jobs.

  11. Paul: I voted against the drug program. We should stop the wars and use that money here. Cut Departments of energy and education.

    Bachmann: We need a change in attitude. We need an ownership society with personal responsibility.


  12. All the candidates are being asked the same questions. That is much fairer and less open to Big Media manipulation than the MSNBC/Politico mugging.

  13. Q: Do you have a plan to get the economy moving and what is it?

    Huntsman: Jobs catastrophe. First reform the tax code (get rid of corporate welfare). Regulatory reform, get rid of Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Wean away from oil.

    Q: Obama has a lot of tax cuts in his plan? Do you support?

    Perry: He’s gonna pay for it all with raises in taxes. Half of zero jobs is zero. Free up small business and Wall Street and the economy will take off like a rocket-ship. Quit the spending. Regulatory relief. Reform tax code.

    People are tired of spending money we don’t have, on programs we don’t want.

  14. Bachmann: I was the leading voice against the debt ceiling. Don’t give Obama a blank check. Lower the tax code. It’s not that tough to turn around this economy.

    Cain: This economy on life support. Throw out the entire tax code. 9-9-9 is the plan. We need a bold solution. Get the government out of the way.

  15. votermom
    September 12th, 2011 at 5:57 pm


    Good compared to who? I’d rank recent pols (as to results anyway) as FDR best, then Hillary, then JFK, then Bill, then maybe Palin, then Gore, then Nixon, then Carter. Doesn’t mean Gore would be ‘bad’ — and sure doesn’t mean we’re lucky Bush won!

    I know the story about Hillary and Axelrod’s epilleptic daughter. Such medical causes were always Hillary’s signature: her visiting his daughter doesn’t mean he was ‘close’ to her. He worked for Obama for decades, was the brains behind Obama, created Obama.
    Someone claimed Gore would have been as bad as Bush, especially re preventing 9/11 or at least not starting the idiotic ‘war on terror.’

  16. Bachmann doing much better tonight, Romney looks like he is doing infomercials for vacuum cleaners that wash carpets.

  17. Q: Perry created more jobs.

    Romney: Texas is great. I worked in the private sector. A payphone economy in a smart phone world.

    Q: Does Perry deserve credit for the job – tell him.

    Romney: If you’re dealt four aces don’t brag. There has been great job growth under Anne Richards and George Bush. I do turnarounds.

    Perry: Mitt you were doing pretty good until you started talking about poker. Texas under my leadership has created 1 million jobs. Tort reform was one of the reasons for so many jobs.

    Q: Does Perry deserve credit?

    Paul: No. Taxes have gone up. Many of those jobs are government jobs.

  18. Perry: We’ve cut taxes. For 5 years people are moving to Texas for freedom.

    Q: You compromised with Clinton and balanced the budget. Would you compromise on these issues?

    Newt: [takes credit for Clinton economy while saying he doesn’t] American people create jobs not government. Go to the American people like Reagan did. I do not compromise on principle.

  19. Q: Can you be pro business and pro worker?

    Cain: Yes. I was a worker before an owner. Mom was a maid, dad was a barber. We need the right leadership.

    Huntsman: This country needs more workers. We need an economic plan.

  20. McNorman, Willard is going to need a ShamWow for his tears if Perry keeps on performing as well as he has been thus far.

    After tonight, Perry is the frontrunner in polls as well as in the debates.

  21. and Santorum tries out another line he debuted during the week, about Obama having to upgrade to be a disaster.

  22. Q: Federal Reserve, audit it?

    Santorum: Yup.

    Cain, you were with the Kansas Federal Reserve, do you agree?

    Cain: Yup. It also has to be restrained.

    Q: Should Bernanke be prosecuted for treason as Perry has suggested?

    Bachmann: I am a leader. I fight. I fought against the bailout. Federal Reserve has to be audited and shrunk.

    Q: What about Perry’s “treason” charge?

    Bachmann: ask Perry.

    Perry: I said using the Fed for political purposes is treason. We need to have a sound monetary policy for a strong dollar.

    Q: Disagree?

    Romney: Fed’s job is sound monetary policy and strong currency. We need a Fed to run the currency.

  23. When Perry’s talking, Romney looks at him like he’s seeing him through the Terminator’s targeting system.

  24. Must say Newt is a smart cookie…so smooth, i can see how he’s pulled a load of women into bed, he’s a charmer.

  25. Young questioner: How much of my money do you think I should keep?

    Huntsman: 8% for you more for corporations.

    Q: Is it fair for companies to pay low taxes?

    Newt: Are you asking about GE which does not pay taxes? I’m for energy independence.

    Q: Getting rid of loopholes is a tax increase, no?

    Newt: I’m against raising taxes.

  26. I swear if you took of Mitt’s shirt, you’d find a load of buttons or a string which you pull to get a soundbite.

  27. Q: Under what circumstances should executive orders be issued?

    Paul: EOs should not be used to legislate.

    Q: Perry you signed an EO to force girls to get vacinated?

    Perry: I wanted to fight cervical cancer. I provided an opt-out for the parents to sign. I made a mistake by not going to the legislature. I will use an executive order to get rid of Obamacare.

    Bachmann: It is flat out wrong (against liberty interest) to force girls to vaccinate. I fought Obamacare on the morning after pill.

    Perry: At the end of the day this was about stopping cancer. At the end of the day I will err on the side of life.

    Bachmann: I’ll add that in the midst of this executive order there is a drum company that made millions. The governor’s chief of staff was a lobbyist for the drug company. Potentially billions.

    Perry: The company was Merck. They gave $5,000 and I raised over $5 million. I cannot be bought.

    Bachmann: I’m offended.

    Santorum: There was no government purpose in forcing girls to get vaccination. This should not have been done by big government.

    Perry: We made decisions to cure cancer. Texas is a place that protects life. I passed parental notification. It was to save life.

    Santorum: Then let them opt-in.

  28. I think so too moononpluto. I suspect that the pile on Perry pinata bashing is going to backfire. Anyone who has dealt with cancer is going to stand by Perry. I didn’t like the statute, but I have also witnessed what cervical cancer does to young women. Anyone female who has to have a hysterectomy at the age of 21 will tell you the same thing.

  29. Yeah, Romney is a total Stepford, he’s a republican John Edwards, all hair and a good speech and probably a few extra kids somewhere.

  30. Say what you want about HPV – Perry included an opt out. I don’t like it, but there was NO opt out for Romneycare

  31. Q: Reduce cost of health care?

    Cain: Repeal Obamacare. Market driven reforms.

    Q: Do you stand by RomneyCare?

    Romney: Healthcare is expensive because the patient only pays the deductible. It’s not working like a market, more like a utility. We need health savings accounts. I’m not running for governor. I’ll grant a waiver to all states as president.

    Q: Should states be allowed to pass mandates?

    Perry: Obamacare is a product of Romneycare. It did not work for Massachusetts but Mass. had the legal right to do so.

    Romney: There is no resemblance between Romneycare and Obamacare. Obama cut Medicare.

  32. Q: Healthy people who don’t get health insurance then get an accident. Who pays?

    Paul: That’s what freedom is about. Taking your own risks.

    Q: Should the society let him die?

    Paul: I practiced before Medicare and churches took care of people.

  33. Jeebus, Ron practiced in the dark ages. He should talk about how much he was paid back in the day. Today, Medicare pays physicians .20 on the dollar, and it will be going down.

  34. Problem is that whether someone takes the risk, someone has to pay when they show up in the ER. They cannot be turned away. Ron Paul should be called to task on this.

  35. Q: Repeal of Obamacare?

    Bachmann: An executive order could be removed by another president so we need to get rid of the Obamacare legislation. I’m committed to repealing Obamacare [Cheers from audience]


  36. Bachmann is doing way way better tonight, i think she knows that and CNN is really really obviously pushing her along.

  37. Q: What would you do to remove illegal immigrants?

    Santorum: I am the son of immigrants. Unlike Perry we need to build a fence. We should enforce the law with employers and secure the border. But immigration is good.

    Perry: I have 1200 miles of border with Mexico. The Federal government has been a failure and Texas has to pay. But a fence is not reality. We need 4500 border patrol agents along with 1500 national guard. The Federal government should secure the border.

  38. I can attest to the fact that Perry’s choice was in the best interest of the state. We already have too many who have come here and are now on a generational dole.

  39. I’m glad Bachman nailed Perry on the HPV vaccine mandate. It was a drug company enrichment scheme and you cannot, shouldnot mandate the female children by required to get a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. The so-called opt out is a new wrinkle that the came up with when the sh*t hit the fan. Perry is under attack tonight.

  40. Q: How to get the Latino vote?

    Santorum: Perry gave free education to illegals.

    Q: Perry, explain?

    Perry: If you are pursuing citizenship you get education paid by Texas.

    Q: Is that the Dream Act?

    Bachmann: We should not give taxpayer subsidies to illegals. [cheers from audience].

    Perry: I am not for the Dream Act. This was a states rights issue to allow those who want to be citizens and live in Texas we will allow you to contribute.

    Q: Huntsman, you did the same in Utah with driver’s licenses?

    Huntsman: Not securing the border is treasonous. We issued a driver privilege card not to be used for identification. Tenth amendment solution.

    Romney: We need to enforce the law. Not give in state tuition to illegals. Build the fence. No driver licenses. No sanctuary cities.

    Perry: We gave people a chance to contribute and this is a states rights issue. We have a long relationship with Texas. We gave them the opportunity to go to college.

    Huntsmann: If we examine Mitt’s positions we’ll be here all night. We need to bring in foreign capital and brains.

  41. Ron Paul still sounds like Woody Allen doing a monologue. I expect Dianne Weist or Mia Farrow to drop by for a ramble monologue in a minute.

  42. Q: We have lots of energy sources. How will we get energy independence?

    Cain: Remove regulations of federal government. EPA has gone wild.

    Q: High spending for national security?

    Newt: We are facing many dangers. Turkey, etc.

    Paul: Difference between military spending and defense spending. We have lack of wisdom in foreign policy.

    Santorum: To Paul, you blame the U.S. for 9/11. That’s irresponsible.

    Paul: The idea that the Muslim world attacks us because we are free and prosperous is wrong. It’s the bases in our “holy land” and bad treatment of Palestinians.

  43. Ron Paul will NEVER win the nomination. He’s not a team player. POTUS must be someone who can reach across the aisle.

  44. Q from Afghani woman: How will you protect Afghanistan’s women?

    Huntsman: Time is come to get out of Afghanistan.

    Perry: Time to get out of Afghanistan but we must maintain a presence. How to deliver aid to those countries? Best way is to transition to their military. Bring our guys and gals home.


  45. CNN are seriously not going to go there with a WH makeover question…

    What would you add to the WH should you move in there?…………ask Mitt he’s renovating his massive mansion in Malibu and making it 3x bigger.

  46. While Ron Paul’s answer to the 9/11 question surprised me, his support comes from libertarians, not conservatives, I believe, so he may not have lost support.

  47. Perry was under sustained attack in that last section. Paul and Huntsman are getting on the nerves of a lot of people.

  48. But moononpluto, he’s very proud of the legacy. Have you seen that family yet? The Addams family looks more normal.

  49. Bachmann was an annoyance to the major campaign, i suspect she’s going to get hard hit from now on, head above parapit tonight.

  50. This was a much more substantive debate than the Messnbc one. There was less baiting by the moderators and yet this produced some tough exchanges. Perry should have no doubt now that he is the #1 target.

  51. That’s right, you and I didn’t really hear anything. BS on Bachman’s interpretation of the opt out. It’s called parenting. You must be a parent, not a babysitter. A parent advocates for their kid. Michelle is doing something that I don’t like at all. The vaccine could not be forced on a child without the key element…a parent.

  52. Oh the Perry campaign can’t take the attacks from the Bachmann campaign? Please, she is falling in the polls and if they waste time against her, they are idiots.

  53. Why can’t you understand that you do not force vaccines on female children only? where is the vaccine for the make carrier of the virus?

  54. I completely agree BCL. The logic is that HPV has no consequences for males, and that is why females get the vaccine. I think that the vaccine should have been created for the carrier.

  55. This debate really does not change much. Perry is still on top. Romney is still canned. Bachmann is still trying. Of this batch only Perry has a chance to get the nomination. The open question is who else gets in.

    Perry is getting good sparing partners and will refine his answers. His only worry has to be a Palin or a Christie getting in.

  56. She worked on that answer and it will become a stock answer. I have to wonder how well read she is on vaccines in general. Anyone of the primary series can cause irreparable harm if you have a serious reaction. Sorry, I hear too much of this at work. It is a risk, just like crossing the street.

  57. mcnorman
    September 12th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    BigCat, I opted my kid out. The choice was up to the parent.

    Perry isn’t telling all- He made the HPV Shot a mandate. The state legislature amended his mandate to the opt-out status. He wouldn’t budge.

  58. Mrs. Smith, I can only tell you what I did. I wasn’t happy about the mandate. NOT in the least however, I also watched many of my students fall ill with cervical cancer. I will never believe that 21 is a good time to have a hysterectomy. I come from the medical field. I see too much cancer everyday. I see many opportunities to change that course. I wish like Hell that a vaccine would be produced for males.

  59. From the web : Romney ’12 remains the same: He’s the mirror image of Kerry ’04. No base enthusiasm; all “we think he’s presentable.”

  60. “Jordan will defend its rights and support its vision of a permanent solution that would ensure the establishment of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital and a just realization of the right of return and adequate compensation,” Abdullah…”

    Mrs. Smith,

    I see good and bad in the article you posted regarding Jordan.

    Yes they are holding off on voting yes for a Palestinian state, but I am confused by other statements.

    They have a huge Palestinian population residing in their country. They deny…deny…deny that Jordan should be a second choice but push…push…push for Israel soil to be a part of the new state. This seems to me to be very self-serving and unlike what Abdulah says, there is historic evidence to show that Jordan should share in this land grab by the Palistinians.

  61. What I have come to accept is that many very young girls are sexually active today. Their parents may or may not want to think about them being sexually active. Do we allow them to die early by contracting a virus that will cause Hell on Earth for them? I can’t answer for anyone but myself.

  62. WTF, us working people on the West Coast don’t get to see two debates in a row and blog sarcastic remarks at the people we will need to vote for…

    Why don’t they just have the debates at 4 AM so everyone will miss them?

    I just got home and the horses are already out of the barn…damn them!
    I am just starting to read admins post…

    The owner of DailyKooks, an effeminate homophobe called Markos Moosesomething or other, delighted in shouting “Racist!” at Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

    —-> Ooooowe Admin, you know how to sock-it-to-um! 😉

  63. moononpluto
    September 12th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Romney really is something out of an Aaron Spelling, he’s Blake Carrington without the charm.

    Think of Romney as Chevy Chase: with the over-sized dog crate tied to the roof “On Christmas Vacation”-

    (having to pull into the car wash/magic wand to spray wash the diarrhea off the windshield.)

  64. “Yes they are holding off on voting yes for a Palestinian state, but I am confused by other statements.”

    Yes, at first I was too- Until I reread what he said again- There is mention of him couching his statement about Palestine.. choosing his words carefully. He’s saying, he has his opinion about Palestine becoming a state and they have theirs. I don’t believe they are exactly synonymous.

  65. mcnorman
    September 12th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    What I have come to accept is that many very young girls are sexually active today. Their parents may or may not want to think about them being sexually active. Do we allow them to die early by contracting a virus that will cause Hell on Earth for them? I can’t answer for anyone but myself.

    The solution is give the HPV Shots to the males entering 6th grade. The fatality rate is way less than half for males than what it is for girls.


    “As of June 22, 2011 there have been a total 68 VAERS reports of death among those who have received Gardasil® . There were 54 reports among females, 3 were among males, and 11 were reports of unknown gender. Thirty two of the total death reports have been confirmed and 36 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. A death report is confirmed (verified) after a medical doctor reviews the report and any associated records. In the 32 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine and some reports indicated a cause of death unrelated to vaccination.”

  66. Wow, the Kooks are really running out of that toxic Kool Aid and so is the NYTs…it’s gonna get ugly when the kooks dwindle down to a handfull and have no media left to quote or back their specific hatred against most Americans.

    Too bad, so sad…take a hike.

    We told you your Golden Calf was an illusion of Hope and Change.

    You got what you paid for, now you have a very limited time to praise him…and watch this guy get kicked out of office.

  67. You aren’t going to get any argument from me Mrs. Smith. But do we mandate this for males who may or might not carry at that age?

  68. mcnorman
    September 12th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    You aren’t going to get any argument from me Mrs. Smith. But do we mandate this for males who may or might not carry at that age?

    I think the reason for a lesser suseptability by males to death is because their hormones aren’t in full bloom and as much as a factor. Where girls are coming into puberty earlier and earlier. I heard the other day, as early as 9yrs old due to the sexual exposure on tv and adverts openly selling the blue pills and in depth explanations that can be seen at any time of the day. Best thing for girls is home schooling. If I had a little girl, I would never send her to public school. She would be in a convent until she’s 18yrs old or home schooled with a private tutor. 🙂

  69. Mrs. Smith you are so funny. It doesn’t matter if you home school. It really matters that the lines of communication are always in place. It matters that there is a defined role of parent & friend, not just friend to children. It matters that honest discussion takes place at every opportunity, and I don’t mean lecturing. Parents make mistakes and so do kids. Having a girl that will become a woman and face so many more pressures today than thirty years ago is especially difficult. It takes a lot of selfless giving on the part of parents. We are guides, that is our role. It’s one that has been forgotten or left to others to do for us. It is a shame that has happened.

  70. I’ve been watching American Pickers while reading the play by plays here. (btw- thanks admin and moon for the much appreciated comments)

    What I have noticed is they all have an opinion on whether a policy is good or bad… but unlike Hillary when she campaigned- Hillary always had a workable plan behind her opinion.. These Republican debates are nothing but Hot Air and grandstanding- The only candidate that can come close to comparing to Hillary is Newt and he’s not running-

  71. letting them opt in or opt out is the same thing, Santorum, is he that dumb.


    Yah. Opt in or opt out might make a difference if you’re subscribing to a online newsletter or soemtthing. But nobody’s going to send their child for the shot accidentally. Nobody’s going to come get the child if you forgot to opt out.

    That’s a bullshit charge against Perry, like the Wasilla rape kit thing.

  72. letting them opt in or opt out is the same thing, Santorum, is he that dumb.


    Yah. Opt in or opt out might make a difference if you’re subscribing to a online newsletter or soemtthing. But nobody’s going to send their child for the shot accidentally. Nobody’s going to come get the child if you forgot to opt out.

    That’s a bullshit charge against Perry, like the Wasilla rape kit thing.

  73. Mrs. Smith,
    I understand about that..I had two girls….but you have to teach them to respect their own bodies and not let folks use them…btw…I didn’t do so good at teaching that…hind sight is always better than forsight…LOL! They survived, but both have been divorced….it’s a very sexual orientated world we live in….

    I agree…no body compares to Hillary…NOBODY!

  74. shouldnot mandate the female children by required to get a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease.


    Huh? You think cancer is sexually transmitted??????

  75. My granddaughter had an allergic reaction to it….it was all about money…(kick back) He could care less about cancer….

    Does Perry have girls or boys?

  76. Paul: The idea that the Muslim world attacks us because we are free and prosperous is wrong.


    On the l9/11 attack, I heard that al Qaeda released a statement immediately taking credit and saying their motive was to do with US support in a particular border dispute. Bush just made up the “hate our freedoms” stuff.

  77. Think of Romney as Chevy Chase: with the over-sized dog crate tied to the roof “On Christmas Vacation”-

    (having to pull into the car wash/magic wand to spray wash the diarrhea off the windshield.)


    According to Snopes, that’s true. Romney’s family bragged about it as crisis management.

    Then back on the road at highway speed with a wet dog on top. What’s that in wind chill?

  78. mcnorman
    September 12th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    I agree with your statement 100%- You provided the best of the best in the best of worlds which I’m sure is successful the fewer children in the family- Like one or two daughters. I had 4 children, luckily all boys..

  79. turndown, it’s not only cancer. Imagine having continuous procedures year after year because your pathology comes back questionable? Biopsies, cryosurgery, etc., never knowing what is around the corner. HPV is insidious.

  80. Believe me Mrs. Smith, I don’t know how I would have done it if there were more females in the flock. I already worked three jobs at all hours of the day and night. Add that she was born with a severe birth defect. It all worked out, but I do feel like I have lived many lifetimes over and over.

    Ah four boys, how wonderful for you.

  81. #
    September 12th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    With Cervical cancer is the biggest danger.

    The throat and tongue Cancer Michael Douglas was diagnosed with was borne of the HPV virus.. I’ll let you figure that one out. Not surprising it has soured his once blissfully happy relationship with his beautiful wife Catherine Z Jones…

  82. mcnorman
    September 12th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Sorry to hear about the troubles with your daughter. I hope she is doing well now- as best as she can. Boys are alot easier for sure.. not too much has changed today from yesteryear. Pants and shirts do not change just the shoes become more expensive. One of my sons is Mr Frugal. He would laugh like crazy when his younger brother spent $100 for sneakers.. laughing saying, are you nuts, I can buy 10prs of sneakers and wear a brand new pair every a month for a year.. the youngest was a slave to peer pressure.. not so much anymore though- now that the money is coming out of his pocket. Mr. Frugal is still Mr Frugal just in capital letters now..

  83. The Romney getaway vacation:

    “The reporter intended the anecdote that opened part four of the Boston Globe’s profile of Mitt Romney to illustrate, as the story said, “emotion-free crisis management”: Father deals with minor — but gross — incident during a 1983 family vacation, and saves the day. But the details of the event are more than unseemly — they may, in fact, be illegal.

    The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a TWELVE HOUR drive from BOSTON to ONTARIO, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus’s rather visceral protest.”,8599,1638065,00.html

  84. Jacobson’s take:

    Perry was good on the Gardasil issue, saying it was a mistake and would do it differently; that’s how candidates need to deal with mistakes, admit it and stop digging. Bachmann was horrible (in my view, others probably disagree) on Gardasil, referring to “little girls who have a negative reaction to this drug” don’t “get a mulligan.” Bachmann suggested Perry did it for campaign donations, Perry said it was Merck and donations had nothing to do with it.

    Bachmann exhibited profound lack of understanding of the constitutionality issue as to mandate. It is a federal e problem, not a state issue (depending upon what a particular state’s constitution says). She didn’t seem to understand the federal/state distinction, and just kept saying “it’s unconstitutional” even if done by a state.

    At 9:45 break: Perry on immigration pretty much endorsed Dream Act, stood by it. This could be a problem for him. Bachmann hit him pretty good on it. Perry came back and said it’s not like the Dream Act, that it’s a state’s rights issue for people who are pursuing citizenship. I’m not familiar enough with the Texas law — any commenters have something to add on this? [snip]

    End Game Probing Analysis: I thought it was an intersting debate. Perry clearly was under fire most of the night, but better he deals with these issues now and works out kinks in his answers. Romney was okay, just okay. Newt again was the star, Herman Cain close behind. Bachmann seemed like someone drowning who’s grasping at anything. Ron Paul was Ron Paul.

  85. It was nearly 50 years ago when, under the leadership of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the American people reached a great turning point, setting up the social security system. […] Today we reaffirm Franklin Roosevelt’s commitment that social security must always provide a secure and stable base so that older Americans may live in dignity.
    — Reagan, 1983

  86. At 9:45 break: Perry on immigration pretty much endorsed Dream Act, stood by it. This could be a problem for him. Bachmann hit him pretty good on it. Perry came back and said it’s not like the Dream Act, that it’s a state’s rights issue for people who are pursuing citizenship. I’m not familiar enough with the Texas law — any commenters have something to add on this? [snip]

    Perry pretty much explained his current view and the requirements for illegals very closely resembling Obama’s Dream Act. Nationwide it’s a vote killer in this economy funding free college education for illegals if they are in the process of attaining citizenship.

  87. Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a TWELVE HOUR drive from BOSTON to ONTARIO, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus’s rather visceral protest.”,8599,1638065,00.html


    SNopes had more detail. He hosed the dog too — then drove the wet dog on at highway speed.

    Iirc SNopes quoted some puff piece writeup with his family PRAISING him for doing that.

  88. Perry isn’t telling all- He made the HPV Shot a mandate. The state legislature amended his mandate to the opt-out status. He wouldn’t budge.


    If that’s true, then Perry is bullshit. Taking credit for an amendment he opposed.

    Hm, why does that remind me of someone else…?

  89. I read the Perry Gardasil thing on wiki- what I said is true. Also, news fresh out, the Fed will be funding the same HPV Shots to girls 9+up in Alaska.. Just received a huge funding..

    Good turns to Better…

    SOLYNDRA SCANDAL WIDENS: Auditors Raised Red Flags About Obama’s Favorite Green Company

    Two months before the federal government provided a $535 million federal loan to the company, auditors found that Solyndra, the bankrupt solar company, had significant financial difficulties, Bloomberg reports.

    In a deepening scandal that threatens to ensnare members of the Obama administration, Price/waterhouse/Coopers found that the company’s finances “raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern.” Two months later the company was awarded the loan under a green jobs program.

    Solyndra filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection earlier this month — laying off 1,100 employees and leaving the federal government on the hook for the amount of the loan.

    House Republicans have been investigating terms of the loan since earlier this year — and will hold a hearing on it on Wednesday. Republicans assert that the Obama administration fast-tracked the loan without following proper procedures.

    Last week, ABC News reported that Obama administration officials sat in on the company’s board meetings in the months leading up to the bankruptcy filing. FBI agents raided the company’s headquarters last week in search of documents pertaining to Solyndra’s relationship with the Department of Energy.

    Bloomberg reported that the administration rejected the company’s request to renegotiate the terms of the loan the day before the company went under.

    Read more:

  90. Somebody had to skim a huge amount of money off the top of that $535M for the company to go BK in just over a year…

  91. Markos. What a joke. I think of a screaming monkey eating its own feces. He’s the perfect example of what Churchill called ‘the foul baboonery of Bolshevism’, or in Markos’ case, Neo-Bolshevism. His hypocrisy is so vile. The good news is he’s too sick to be any real danger. But he’s just so disgusting.

    With his purge of blacks, maybe he’ll get a visit in the night from the New Black Panthers.

  92. Video of Paul Ryan vs a senior.

    Paul Ryan Mocks Senior Citizen Handcuffed At His Town Hall: ‘I Hope He’s Taking His Blood Pressure Medication’

  93. The repubs debate reminded me of an old movie title
    “The Gang That Could’nt Shoot Straight” Meanwhile here is Hillary the no nonsense real POTUS at work night and day with little time to rest.


    7:45 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Vice President Biden, at the Vice President’s residence.

    9:20 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with new members of the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves, at the Department of State.

    10:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton releases the Annual Report On International Religious Freedom (IRF) for July through December 2010, at the Department of State.

    11:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with President Obama, at the White House.

    11:40 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Romanian Foreign Minister Teodor Baconschi, at the Department of State.

    12:45 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, at the White House.

    2:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a meeting at the White House.

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton and President George W. Bush launch the new women’s health Pink Ribbon Red Ribbon (PRRR) Partnership at the Summit to Save Lives, at the Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium

  94. Bachmann interviewed on the Today Show this morning. When asked about the Gardacil question, she said, after the debate last night, a woman came up to her telling her, her daughter was forced by Perry’s HPV mandate to have the shot- She said as the result of the shot, her daughter had a reaction (seizures?) to the shot and is retarded. She also mentioned Perry’s (former)chief of staff was the lobbyist for Merck Pharma, the sole supplier of the vaccine.

    What I don’t like about Perry is after hearing how problematic this shot can be, he flatly refused to rescind his mandate. Texas residents pressured the state legislature to overturn his mandate to the opt-in/out alternative. Another thing- Confloyd mentioned that any woman wanting an abortion under Perry’s watch would first have to have an untra-sound seeing the child before the abortion could proceed. I don’t like this type of mental cruelty coming from any politician especially targeting women.

    I imagine that interview will be youtubed sometime today- but this could be a devastating blow to Perry’s lead

  95. The Russians were in Afghanistan for almost 10 yrs draining their economy contributing to upending their country’s stability and their economic crisis. THEY finally gave up and went home. This is a serious waste of manpower, lives and resources and should be abandoned as soon as possible. These wars are the biggest drain on the economic recovery of the US.

    Rockets fired at US embassy

    Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011


    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) – Insurgents fired rockets and assault rifles in the direction of the U.S. Embassy, NATO headquarters and other official buildings Tuesday as gunfire and explosions rocked the heart of the Afghan capital. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack.

    The surge of violence was a stark reminder of the instability that continues to plague Afghanistan nearly a decade after the U.S. invasion that ousted the Taliban in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States.

    Police said the gunmen were firing from a tall office building that is under construction at Kabul’s Abdul Haq square, which is about 300 yards (meters) from the U.S. Embassy. American officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

    The American Embassy is on the edge of the Wazir Akbar Khan area, and gunfire and explosions rocked the area, which is home to a number of other foreign missions.

    At least one rocket landed on a building housing privately owned Tolo TV and another near a minivan carrying school children. At least four Afghans were wounded, according to Associated Press reporters on the scene.

    Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said a number of suicide bombers were attacking Afghan and foreign soldiers at the square. He claimed in a text message that suicide bombers using assault rifles were attacking the offices of the Afghan intelligence service.

  96. Axelrod on Obama Jobs Bill on GMA: “We are not in a negotiation to break up the package. It is not an a la carte menu.”


    Who’s being picky now, so you wont negotiate………..just pass whatever Bambi tells you to, i think not.

  97. Now we are getting somewhere. Issa goes after the WH and the DOJ.,0,3079149.story

    Congressional investigators reviewing the failed gun-tracking program Operation Fast and Furious have formally asked the Obama administration to turn over copies of “all records” involving three key White House national security officials and the program, other ATF gun cases in Phoenix, and all communications between the White House and the ATF field office in Arizona.

    The letter signed Friday by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, was sent to National Security Advisor Thomas E. Donilon, a top aide to President Obama.

    It marks a significant step in the committee’s investigation into the failed gun-tracking operation, as the committee begins to broaden its investigation from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and targets White House and Department of Justice officials.

    This material, Issa and Grassley said, “will enable us to determine the extent of the involvement of White House staff in Operation Fast and Furious.”

    White House officials, along with those at the Justice Department, said they have been cooperating in the widening probe, begun earlier this year when several ATF whistleblowers alerted Congress that Fast and Furious weapons were found at the scene of the slaying of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

    A White House official said that “no one at the White House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let alone any decision to let guns walk.”

    The official, who asked not to be identified Friday because the case is continuing, also said White House staffers and some members of Congress, including Issa, were given Fast and Furious briefings as early as April of 2010, but not about the investigative tactics of the operation.

    “These e-mail exchanges show nothing more than an effort to give local color to a policy initiative that was designed to give more resources to help with the border problem,” the official added.


    Keep going the WH is on the run from this.

  98. What I would like to know is- where is Obama’s base? Is anyone Left after he’s destroyed his reliability and credibility with all of America? Unless his base are those still supporting him, those with multiple avatars, reside at Democratic Underground- Who and where IS his base?

    The Ulsterman Report: Democrats Pushing Panic Button

    Democratic Party leaders openly sharing growing concerns with the New York Times over Barack Obama’s ability to win re-election in 2012.

    For President Barack Hussein Obama, things have truly gone from bad to worse when none other than the liberal boiler plate known as the New York Times is putting out stories on how fearful Democratic Party leaders are becoming over the increasingly inept and out of touch current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And these worries are not just limited to the possibility of losing the White House – these same Democrats now fear election losses in Congressional and state governor races:

    …A survey of two dozen Democratic officials found a palpable sense of concern that transcended a single week of ups and downs. The conversations signaled a change in mood from only a few months ago, when Democrats widely believed that Mr. Obama’s path to re-election, while challenging, was secure.

    …And in a campaign cycle in which Democrats had entertained hopes of reversing losses from last year’s midterm elections, some in the party fear that Mr. Obama’s troubles could reverberate down the ballot into Congressional, state and local races. …

    In the New York Times report, Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland went so far as to state on record that President Obama appeared to lack both “passion and principles.”

    In typical New York Times fashion though, President Obama’s recent “jobs speech” before Congress last week was described as a potential turning point for the beleaguered president – even as many other reports have indicated that same speech as having fallen flat and been largely ignored both inside and outside the Beltway. Subsequent reports suggest the ObamaWhite House is preparing to submit an outline of President Obama’s job proposals later today – though how detailed that outline is, and if it gives any indication of how the nearly half trillion dollar plan will be paid, for remains to be seen.

  99. Heres a question, i’ve just seen…..

    Anyone noticed how the Californian Solyndra scandal broke and practically the next day Chief Californian Democratic campaign treasurer Kinde Durkee gets arrested for massive fraud and all the accounts locked up so no one can access them at all, someone should have a look in those accounts. Kind of a coincidence.

  100. Yes Mrs. Smith, my daughter is a young adult now. We jumped major hurdles and she is doing very well now. A life’s lessons in patience has aged me, but I would not do anything different.

  101. Well Admin, I think this is the first time I disagree with you and others here. I only watched the first hour, but I thought Romney came off best. I think Perry looked both scared and scary.

    I could and will vote Romney if he is the nominee, but if Perry is the nominee, I will probably not vote……and I have NEVER done that before. ….and I really despise Obama…so that is saying alot.

    The dog on car issue is a HUGE problem for Romney and its a problem for me but this is clearly a case of lesser of two evils.
    Romney also has the best position on illegal immigration. I guess only Americans like myself who are directly suffering from illegal immigration will make this issue a priority.
    All in all, American politicians…both R and D ….are an unimpressive and unimaginative group.

    I hope to hell its not Perry!

    One more thought….here’s a compromise solution for conservatives and liberals……let all Americans choose 2 things:
    First give people a choice of a public option health insurance or private and Second, let them choose to put their SS payment in either a public program or a private program. The two sides will never agree or come together on either of these issues.

  102. This is non-political, but I have to share it.

    Still haunted by 9/11, I’ve been thinking about those people who jumped out of the WTC towers, preferring to die that way than to be burned or die slowly from injuries or suffocation. Parachute, anyone?

    Since men seem stubbornly addicted to erecting these extremely tall buildings in spite of what might happen to them, I think it might be a good idea to provide every person in those buildings with a parachute – small chutes for the lower floors, larger ones for the higher floors, and instructions on how to use them.
    Look at the picture of the falling man on Uppity Woman’s site – a parachute might have saved his life and the lives of many others, too. Yes?

    I lived in Greenwich Village for many years before the towers were hit – I had a great view of them from the floor to ceiling windows of my apartment – and I used to think, “Lord, what if a plane hit one of them? We have so much larger and faster planes now than the one that hit The Empire State Building years ago.”

    Parachutes? Is that a good idea?

  103. parachutes, especially if its a choice of dying by jumping and a a chance with a parachute, then yes i’d go with a parachute, the only problem is with skyscrapers so close together, you may well get a lot of them whacking into other buildings.

    A lot of firemen died when bodies fell on them from people jumping out of buildings. As a last resort i its better than straight up certain death.

  104. Columbia Students to Dine With Ahmadinejad

    NEW YORK — A group of Columbia University students is expected to attend an upcoming private dinner with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who will be in New York City in September for the United Nations General Assembly, The Columbia Spectator reported.

    Fifteen members of the Columbia International Relations Council and Association (CIRCA) were invited to the Sept. 21 event in Manhattan, the newspaper said. The students will dine and speak with Ahmadinejad and Columbia President Lee Bollinger, who introduced the Iranian leader as “a petty and cruel dictator” when he spoke on campus in 2007.

    At the same 2007 event, Ahmadinejad lambasted Bollinger for what he called the “insults” and “unfriendly treatment” he endured from his host.

    CIRCA Vice President Tim Chan said so far he has not heard any concerns from the group about the upcoming dinner, the Spectator reported. “Everyone was really enthusiastic,” he said.

    The controversial Iranian leader has called for the destruction of Israel and questioned whether the Holocaust ever happened. On Sunday, the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Ahmadinejad said the United States planned the attack as an excuse to launch wars on Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Columbia University and Bollinger were criticized for hosting Ahmadinejad at the 2007 forum, where the Iranian president again cast doubt on the Holocaust and questioned whether al Qaeda was to blame for the 9/11 attacks. He also dismissed accusations that Tehran executed homosexuals, saying there were no gay people in his country.

    Bollinger defended his decision to invite Ahmadinejad to campus in 2007, saying in a statement “Columbia, as a community dedicated to learning and scholarship, is committed to confronting ideas.”


    No you are giving this idiot a platform in which to rant.

  105. Shadowfax
    September 12th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
    WTF, us working people on the West Coast don’t get to see two debates in a row and blog sarcastic remarks at the people we will need to vote for…
    But you can still make sarcastic remarks about the blog sarcastic remarks. Better than nothing, yes? 😆

  106. Game on

    FLASH: Top House Republican Boehner rejects proposed Obama tax hikes; says lawmakers “need to find common ground” to spur job growth

  107. Another day another record broken by Obama.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — US poverty rate rises to 15.1 percent, highest since 1983

  108. White House Already Spinning Feared New York Loss

    The White House is girding for a political loss in the heart of New York on Tuesday. They’re also spinning up an explanation that won’t entirely result in the blame landing on the low popularity of the president. As in Massachusetts, where Democratic Senate candidate Martha Coakley was faulted by the White House and many others for tone-deaf campaigning, Democratic candidate Dave Weprin may see the undercarriage of that new White House campaign bus.

    Democratic officials and President Obama’s advisers expect Weprin to lose the election to upstart Republican Bob Turner in the contest to fill the 9th District seat vacated by Democrat Anthony Weiner.

    Obama won the district, which spans southern Brooklyn and Queens, by 11 percentage points in 2008. His approval rating there is now 33 percent.

    The president’s top political aides concede that if his numbers had been “sturdier,” it might have had a slightly positive effect for Weprin. That means no Obama-voiced robocalls to most Democrats in the district—just text messages targeted at younger voters. More-popular Democrats, like Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Bill Clinton, are lending their voices to the get-out-the-vote effort.

    Democratic strategists studying the district say Turner’s strength comes from independents and traditionally Democratic voters in Orthodox Jewish communities, a demographic displaying an enormous amount of interest in voting.

    The district has very moderate-to-conservative pockets. Weiner, who resigned after a sexting scandal, did a very good job of appealing to the concerns of the Archie Bunker part of the district while also speaking to the younger transplants. That took a lot of skill and a careful cultivation of Jewish community leaders.

    Weprin is an Orthodox Jew and for years represented that constituency in the state Assembly. But his vote in favor of gay marriage last spring drew significant protest. He’s been down among Orthodox Jews by a 2-1 margin since entering the race.

    In contrast, secular Democrats in the district, including secular Jews, display the sort of apathy associated with a demoralized political party. Weprin has been hemorrhaging support from all traditional Democratic constituencies.

    The Republican Jewish Committee and independent Democratic allies like former New York Mayor Ed Koch have called the race a referendum on President Obama’s policies in general, and specifically his orientation toward Israel. They say a Turner victory would send a message that they don’t want to be the president’s rubber stamp. But Congress, controlled by Republicans, is no more popular in the district than Obama. And when polled, conservative Jews don’t list Israel among their top concerns. But of all voters who do say Israel is at the forefront of their minds, a mega-majority supports Turner.

    Still, Obama always has had trouble with Orthodox Jews, and two Obama advisers said they understand that at least some of the frustration may be exercised in the form of a vote against the Democratic candidate. They concede that the election might bring to the fore how difficult it will be for Obama to win back the trust of independents—no matter what their faith. This New York contest would seem to have implications beyond Brooklyn and Queens.

    Polling lurched in Turner’s direction late August when Weprin, in an interview with the New York Daily News editorial board, underestimated the size of the national debt by $10 trillion, suggesting he was ignorant about the main issue of the day. Then he dropped out of a debate, citing a hurricane that had already passed through the district.


    Obama’s Hispanic support collapses

    President Obama’s job approval rating from Hispanics has slipped below 50 percent for the first time, according to Gallup’s latest poll, an ominous sign for the president as he heads into campaign season.

    Just 48 percent of Hispanics approve of the job Obama has done, while 37 percent disapprove. This is down from a 60 percent approval rating as recently as January, an erosion that came later than his slipping numbers with Anglo voters. This trend should worry Obama: Hispanics are the largest and fastest-growing minority group in the country, and there are high numbers of Hispanic voters in swing states including New Mexico, Florida, Colorado, Nevada and even Virginia.

    Obama has backtracked away from a campaign pledge to overhaul the nation’s immigration laws, but the economy might be taking a larger toll on his Hispanic support.

    Hispanic workers are disproportionately represented in the construction and manufacturing industries, which were mortally wounded by the 2008 recession and have shown little recovery. The national unemployment rate for Hispanics was 11.3 percent in August, 3.3 percentage points higher than the national average for non-Hispanic whites.

    Obama’s drooping August numbers were not confined to just Hispanics. Just 33 percent of non-Hispanic whites approve of the job he is doing, a new low for the president, while among African-Americans his support is down to 84 percent, which ties for the lowest of his presidency. Overall, Obama’s job approval rating is down to 41 percent from 44 percent in July.

  110. Columbia is Obama’s post grad alma mater- They have plans for a demonstration on Sept 17, 2011 against Wall St.

    Soros is behind this.. He is also behind Cass Sustein, Samantha Power’s hubby, project of rewriting the Constitution.

    “The General Assembly of New York City also wants to “reboot the system, rewrite the constitution, recuse a system of government employed by the rich for the rich.”

    Although billing itself as a “global revolution,” the meaning here is clear. “They” want a new constitution, perhaps along the lines of the Second Bill of Rights proposed by FDR and pushed by Obama’s regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein, and a group called Constitution 2020.

    Aaron Klein reported two years ago at WND:

    In 2004, Sunstein penned a book, “The Second Bill of Rights: FDR’S Unfinished Revolution and Why We Need It More than Ever,” in which he advanced the radical notion that welfare rights, including some controversial inceptions, be granted by the state. His inspiration for a new bill of rights came from President Roosevelt’s 1944 proposal of a different, new set of bill of rights.

    WND has learned that in April 2005, Sunstein opened up a conference at Yale Law School entitled “The Constitution in 2020,” which sought to change the nature and interpretation of the Constitution by that year.

    Sunstein has been a main participant in the movement, which openly seeks to create a “progressive” consensus as to what the U.S. Constitution should provide for by the year 2020.

    As Klein subsequently discovered, the 2005 conference was funded by George Soros and the Soros-supported Center for American Progress.

    Khatib ends The General Assembly of New York City “demands” piece with a bit of a delusion: “It is time to take back our lives.”

  111. Top Republicans in Congress on Tuesday dismissed President Barack Obama’s proposal to revive job creation in the United States and pay for it by raising taxes.

    Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, in a speech on the Senate floor, blasted Obama’s proposals for paying for the jobs plan through “permanent” tax increases. “What the president’s proposed so far is not serious. And it’s not a jobs plan,” McConnell said.

    Speaker of the House of Representatives John Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, said lawmakers “need to find common ground” to spur job growth.

  112. On Santorum’s claim that TX should have made the HPV vaccine an opt-in rather than an opt-out:

    Perry has tried to explain this before, but frankly has done a bad job of it. The reason for doing an opt-out is that insurance companies will pay for a mandatory vaccine, but will not pay for an optional one. Opt-out was the easiest way to make sure that insurance covered it for lower-income families who wanted to protect their children, but still allow parents to opt out if they chose.

    I just don’t see why this whole vaccine thing is such a brouhaha. I really don’t.

  113. My breaking news said the following:

    More Americans fell below the poverty line last year, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday.

    The nation’s poverty rate rose to 15.1% in 2010, up from 14.3% in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993.

    Last year marked the third year in a row the rate increased. All told, 46.2 million people are considered in need. In addition, real median household income last year was $49,445, a 2.3% decline, the Census Bureau reported.

    This has got to hurt O!

  114. “More Americans fell below the poverty line last year, according to U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday.”

    This is the hallmark of Obama’s presidency. Stripping the country and the people of their riches dismantling generational safety nets put in place until the country and it’s people become surfs and slaves to the remaining wealthy 1%. As he turns on his heel and walks away in 2016 leaving nothing but ruble, a country destroyed from within, a broken people powerless to fix it. If he is reelected in 2012.

  115. haha, after all that “Pass this bill now”….this.

    President Obama would approve of Congress passing his jobs bill in pieces, as the Republican leaders appear inclined to do, White House economic adviser Gene Sperling says.

    Sperling told reporters at a jobs summit that the administration will make a “strong push” for Congress to pass the plan all at once, but that if it is approved piece by piece, the White House will continue to prod lawmakers on the rest of it.

    Wait didnt Axelroid just say, they are not splitting up the bill

    hang on Wait didnt Axelroid just say, they are not splitting up the bill….


    Wait hang on is it, pass this bill now, or pass this bill whenever you want in bits.


    amateur hour. seriously i’m laughing, that backtrack was faster than an exorcist headspin.

  116. moononpluto
    September 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am
    I’m laughing, he folder faster than a hotel laundry maid.

    No wonder his wife raises the children.

  117. What’s in the ‘American Jobs Act’?

    $4 billion in grants for “high-speed rail projects,” at least 85 percent of which must be spent on “the development of entire segments or phases of intercity or high-speed rail corridors.”
    $2 billion (on top of that $4 billion) for Amtrak.
    $2 billion for “airport improvement.”
    $105 million for “the Puerto Rico highway program.”……………………….eh?


  118. “The CDC announced that the HPV vaccine is available through the federal Vaccines for Children (VFC) program in all 50 states, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, San Antonio and Washington DC. VFC provides vaccines for children ages nine to 18 who are covered by Medicaid, Alaskan-Native or Native American children, and some underinsured or uninsured children.”

    Mandating a controversial vaccine abrogates freedom of choice. State Mandates also requires funding from their state’s legislature. Since Texas legislators suspended the mandate, I believe they will no longer have funds available for covering the cost of the HPV shots. The low income families covered by Medi-caid are eligible for the HPV shot for free. So the mandate to cover costs for low income families wanting the shot is not a valid argument for necessitating a mandate.

    “On February 2, 2007, Texas became the first state to enact a mandate-by executive order from the governor-that all females entering the sixth grade receive the vaccine, with some exceptions. Legislators in Texas passed H.B. 1098 to override the executive order and the governor withheld his veto.”

    You have to ask yourself, why did he mandate the shot when all the other states offered it at no cost to the recipients whether low-income recipients or not because funding is available from numerous sources.

    I think this is going to blow up until someone gets to the bottom of the involvement of Perry’s former Chief of Staff as the promoter and lobbyist for Merck Pharma the supplier of the Vaccine and the campaign donations substantial or inconsequential, Perry received from Merck Pharma.

  119. US will not be cowed by Kabul attacks: Clinton

    (AFP) – 2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — Americans will not be cowed and will continue to work in Afghanistan, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday after Taliban gunmen attacked the US embassy in Kabul.

    “The civilians who serve are dedicated, brave men and women, committed to advancing our mission. They will not be intimidated by this kind of cowardly attack,” Clinton said, adding there were no casualties among US personnel at the embassy.

    “We will take all necessary steps not only to ensure the safety of our people but to secure the area and to ensure that those who perpetrated this attack are dealt with.”

    Taliban gunmen armed with suicide bombs and heavy weaponry Tuesday launched coordinated attacks in Kabul, targeting NATO’s headquarters, the US embassy and the Afghan intelligence agency.

    Around three hours after the attack began, gunbattles were still ongoing.

    Six people were killed — four police officers and two civilians — and 15 others most of them civilians were wounded, the interior ministry told AFP. Six insurgents were also killed.

    New CIA chief David Petraeus, the former US commander in Afghanistan, told lawmakers he had talked to US ambassador Ryan Crocker.

    A “handful of individuals” — possibly wearing suicide vests — were able “to move into a building a few hundred meters from the embassy,” he told lawmakers.

    “All embassy members have been accounted for,” the retired four-star general said, adding “four Afghan citizens were injured” from rocket-propelled grenade fire as they had lined up waiting for US visas.

    Two suicide attacks also struck police in what is usually the most heavily protected part of the capital, with a Taliban insurgency at its deadliest since US-led troops ousted the Islamists’ regime after the 9/11 attacks 10 years ago.

    The attacks underscored plummeting security in Kabul, where insurgents have staged increasingly brazen commando-style raids on Western targets in recent years, most recently on the British Council last month.

    Clinton paid tribute to the Kabul embassy staff saying “they work hard every day along with their Afghan colleagues to help children go to school, to help save mother lives at childbirth, to build roads, to assist farmers.”

    In contrast, “the opposition violent extremists, the Taliban and their allies, engage in constant effort to threaten and to undermine peace and progress of the Afghan people.”

  120. September 13, 2011 3:55 pm

    Erdogan rallies Arab League against Israel

    By Heba Saleh in Cairo and Daniel Dombey in Ankara

    Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan speaks at an Arab League foreign ministers’ meeting in Cairo

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, warned Israel it must “pay a price for its aggression and crimes” in a passionate speech in Cairo that cemented a Turkish foreign policy shift that has alarmed Israel and worried the US.

    Mr Erdogan’s comments, on the first full day of a trip intended to boost Turkey’s role in a region in flux, ranged far beyond the dispute over Israel’s deadly 2010 raid on the Turkish-based ship the Mavi Marmara.

    The Turkish leader said it was “an obligation” to support the Palestinians in their bid to gain UN recognition as a state. “The Palestinian flag has to flutter at the UN” he told a foreign ministers meeting at the Arab League’s Cairo headquarters.

    “Let’s raise the flag of Palestine to the sky and let it be a symbol of justice and peace in the Middle East.”

    Mr Erdogan’s trip is widely seen as a bid to capitalise on popular Arab admiration for his perceived willingness to take a tougher line towards Israel than other countries in the region. But the deepening rift has been of great concern to the US, which counts both Israel and Turkey as close allies.

    In recent days Mr Erdogan has expelled Israel’s top diplomats, threatened to send warships to guard aid convoys to Gaza, and described the Mavi Marmara raid, in which eight Turks and a US-Turkish dual national were killed, as “cause for war”.

    “His positions on Israel are one hundred per cent,” said Nasr Ali, a demonstrator who came to express his support for Mr Erdogan outside the Arab League. “His stance is much better than that of Arab leaders. He was first to expel Israeli diplomats from his country.”

    Another man held up a sign saying “If Erdogan had been our leader we would have liberated our Jerusalem.”

    Huge billboards carrying Mr Erdogan’s picture against the backdrop of the Egyptian and Turkish flags have been erected in Cairo, emphasising his message of regional unity.

    But Emad Gad, an Egyptian political analyst, said Cairo seemed reluctant to rush into Ankara’s embrace.

    “The ruling military council and the government believe that this is the right time to launch a strategic co-operation with Turkey,” he said. “The Turks are in a moment of strength and we are in one of weakness.”

    Mr Erdogan made an emotional call for the Israeli blockade of Gaza to be lifted and also referred to five Egyptians soldiers killed last month on the border with Israel as Israeli forces pursued assailants who had mounted an attack inside Israeli territory.

    Many Egyptians have been angered at what they considered their government’s feeble and confused response to the killing of its soldiers. The killings on the border were the reason cited by demonstrators for invading the Israeli embassy in Cairo on Friday, in events that led the country’s ambassador to flee.

    By contrast, Turkey’s new stance on Israel has come as part of a dramatic reversal of the two countries’ previous close ties, which prospered in the 1990s but frayed in recent years. Israel says it carried out the Mavi Marmara raid in self defence in protection of a legal blockade on Gaza.

    Turkish officials say Mr Erdogan’s tour, which will later take him to Tunisia and Libya, will also mark Ankara as an unhesitating supporter of the rolling revolutions of the Arab spring, which wrongfooted Mr Erdogan’s government in the past.

    “The prime minister will deliver the same message in the three countries he will visit: we support their popular revolutions and stand ready to help them to reach their goal with security and stability,” said one.

    The officials add that Mr Erdogan’s Muslim piety, combined with Turkey’s democratic system and economic success – figures this week showed second-quarter growth of 8.8 per cent and the prime minister is accompanied by a large business delegation – make the country a model for the rest of the region.

  121. mcnorman
    September 13th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Snippets make for good tv, but facts are more detailed.

    The video you posted was more indepth than the 3 min interview I watched this morning. And moononpluto was right about Bachmann’s hair, she looked more casual than she did on the first debate.

    Here’s how I see it- Had Perry not made the HPV shot a mandate by his Executive Order and his former Chief of staff not been a lobbyist for the same company manufacturing the vaccine, this discussion wouldn’t even be happening. Then again, five years ago, Perry most likely never dreamed he would be a presidential candidate in 2011 subject to microscopic scrutiny. I bet if offered a do over privately, he would erase the X-O in a minute and be relieved at having a second chance to correct it. His words of not being bought for $5,000 dollars ring a little hollow now that it looks like he was…

  122. h4t said:
    The reason for doing an opt-out is that insurance companies will pay for a mandatory vaccine, but will not pay for an optional one. Opt-out was the easiest way to make sure that insurance covered it for lower-income families who wanted to protect their children, but still allow parents to opt out if they chose.

    I just don’t see why this whole vaccine thing is such a brouhaha. I really don’t.


    Thanks for good sense as usual!!!!!

    I expect it’s a brouhaha because it’s an easy cheap soundbyte shot at Perry. It pushes some buttons about sex. It requires complicated explanation, and “When you have to explain, you’ve already lost.” Like the Wasilla rape kit charge.

  123. BigCatLover

    But you can still make sarcastic remarks about the blog sarcastic remarks. Better than nothing, yes? 😆

    Snarking on the blog is always a good thing. It’s about the only thing that has saved my sanity since 2008.

  124. Polling lurched in Turner’s direction late August when Weprin, in an interview with the New York Daily News editorial board, underestimated the size of the national debt by $10 trillion, suggesting he was ignorant about the main issue of the day. Then he dropped out of a debate, citing a hurricane that had already passed through the district.


    Both those charges could be easily exaggerated. The NY Daily gets very partisan; better check who they’re supporting before taking their word about what Weprin supposedly said to their editorial board.

    And a hurricane that has “already passed through” can still leave enough damage and problems to justify someone dropping out of a debate.

  125. The dog on car issue is a HUGE problem for Romney and its a problem for me but this is clearly a case of lesser of two evils.


    It should be a huge problem for everyone. It speaks to Romney’s own judgement — and to the judgement of his family and the bio writer who praised it!

    A sane person can change or moderate his policies. Sfaik Perry is sane, though I disagree with him on almost everything. Hosing the dog — wind chill — shows that Romney is insane, warped in values and judgement. How did he get elected governor?

  126. Barry has a new breaking record since 52 years ago…

    Depending on who wins in 2012, maybe this number will increase with seniors that have had the rug pulled out from under them?


    High joblessness and the weak economic recovery pushed the ranks of the poor in the U.S. to 46.2 million in 2010 — the fourth straight increase and the largest number of people living in poverty since record-keeping began 52 years ago, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday.

  127. What I don’t like about Perry is after hearing how problematic this shot can be, he flatly refused to rescind his mandate. Texas residents pressured the state legislature to overturn his mandate to the opt-in/out alternative.


    So the legislature did pass an opt-out, which Perry did not veto?

    Seems to be a complicated situation with different sides picking out different soundbytes. One thing seems clear: Perry didn’t fall on the side of “vaccination = sex for teens = sin!”

    As for a parent claiming that the vaccination caused retardation, that sort of charge has been going around about ALL vaccinations for years.

  128. JanH
    September 13th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    US will not be cowed by Kabul attacks: Clinton

    (AFP) – 2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — Americans will not be cowed and will continue to work in Afghanistan, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday after Taliban gunmen attacked the US embassy in Kabul.

    “The civilians who serve are dedicated, brave men and women, committed to advancing our mission. They will not be intimidated by this kind of cowardly attack,” Clinton said, adding there were no casualties among US personnel at the embassy.

    “We will take all necessary steps not only to ensure the safety of our people but to secure the area and to ensure that those who perpetrated this attack are dealt with.”

    Yep, thats our Hillary- Don’t mess with Hillary!

  129. very very serious dereliction of duty and a waste of $500M. This requires a special prosecutor as to who authorised this loan and why the auditors warning was ignored.

    Obama Backed Solyndra Loans After Auditor Warned on Finances

    Solyndra LLC’s workers making solar-power panels in a California factory subsidized by U.S. taxpayers showed “the promise of clean energy isn’t just an article of faith,” President Barack Obama said on a visit to the company in May 2010.

    Two months before Obama’s visit, accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP warned that Solyndra, the recipient of $535 million in federal loan guarantees, had financial troubles deep enough to “raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern.”

    The Obama administration stood by Solyndra through the auditor’s warning, the abandonment of a planned initial public offering and a last-ditch refinancing where taxpayers took a back seat to new investors. That unwavering commitment has come under increasing scrutiny since the company’s travails culminated in its filing for bankruptcy protection on Sept. 6 and a raid on its headquarters by the Federal Bureau of Investigation two days later.

    “People including our government put blinders on and did not want to believe in the obvious,” Jonathan Dorsheimer, an analyst in Boston for Canaccord Genuity Inc. of Vancouver, said in an interview with Bloomberg Government. “The fact that the government chose Solyndra as their white horse is mind- boggling.”

  130. The DUmmies have just found out Obama’s backbone has gone again about splitting up the jobs package and gone into full on wail and gnashing mode. Folded quicker than a poker player with a busted hand.

  131. and here we are again.

    FLASH: U.S. district judge in Pennsylvania calls insurance-buying mandate in health care reform law unconstitutional -Court ruling

  132. and that confirms the public are innoculated against his bullshit.

    President Obama’s major jobs speech last week has not moved the needle on his approval ratings, according to the Gallup tracking poll.

    The three-day tracking average stood at 43 percent approval on Sept. 8, and remains stuck there as of Monday. Disapproval, meanwhile, has ticked up 1 percentage point from 49 percent to 50 percent.

    Mr. Obama’s speech, to a joint session of Congress, was designed to lay out a vision for boosting the economy while still trying to tackle ballooning deficits and debt.

    The president has scheduled a series of follow-up speeches, including one Tuesday in Columbus, Ohio, to try to drive his message outside the confines of the Beltway.

  133. Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next week without taking Fifth

    September 13, 2011 2:50pm 0 Comments
    Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next wk
    byPhilip Klein Senior Editorial Writer
    Follow on Twitter:@PhilipAKlein

    Executives from solar panel manufacturer Solyndra, which received over a half a billion dollars in loan guarantees from the Obama administration before filing for bankruptcy last week, are in negotations with the House Energy and Commerce Committee to openly testify before Congress next week, according to Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., the chairman of the panel’s subcomittee on oversight and investigations.

    The company’s president and chief executive, Brian Harrison, and W.G. Stover, Jr., its chief financial officer, were asked to testify as part of tomorrow’s committee hearing on the questionable loans, which have embroiled the Obama administration in what Stearns deemed a “full-blown scandal.” The company’s offices were raided by the FBI last week.

    Stearns, speaking to bloggers at the Heritage Foundation, said the executives called the committee staff yesterday and asked whether they would be allowed to delay their testimony until next week. If they were granted the additional time, they said they’d agree not to exercise their Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions.

    “We’re a little flexible if they’ll come next week and testify freely and openly and transparently,” Stearns said. “I can’t say for sure, but most likely they’ll come next week and I think it would be very worthwhile for them to speak transparently and without taking the Fifth.”

    Stearns said that the committee has a subpeona and could still force them to appear tomorrow, but he said it would be a “positive step” if they would actually answer questions.

    Witnesses for tomorrow’s hearing currently include Jeffrey Zients, deputy director of the White House Office of Management and Budget and Jonathan Silver, executive director of the Department of Energy’s loans office.


    You have to wonder how house republicans keep up with half the horseshit coming out of the WH they have to investigate.

  134. “The Obama administration stood by Solyndra through the auditor’s warning, the abandonment of a planned initial public offering and a last-ditch refinancing where taxpayers took a back seat to new investors…”

    Because the Obama administration thinks they are Gods and can break any laws/legislation they want as long as it works for them….i.e. Fast and Furious…

    They are such egomaniacs that they think they can get away with all of this and never be caught.

  135. Israel, not Sex Scandal, Seen as Main Issue for Weiner Replacement

    Adam Martin

    When voters take to the special election polls in New York’s ninth congressional district on Tuesday, they’ll be deciding on a replacement for a Democrat who courted controversy in his last days in office. But analysts say the fact that a Republican is now favored to take over the spot has less to do with Anthony Weiner sending risqué pictures of himself on Twitter than it does with his party’s–and President Barack Obama’s–stance on Israel.

    In the heavily Orthodox Jewish district that encompasses large parts of Brooklyn and Queens, “when it comes to Israel, any skilled politician knows that you tack hard right every time,” wrote Benjy Sarlin at Talking Points Memo. That’s what Weiner did, and that’s what his would-be Democratic replacement, David Weprin, himself an Orthodox Jew, is trying to do–distancing himself from Obama’s address in May, in which he advocated a return to Israel’s borders before the 1967 Six-Day War. “I think going back to pre-‘67 borders as a starting point is a mistake, it’s not a defensible point of view,” Sarlin quoted Weprin’s comments to reporters on Monday. “Israel right now from a security point of view doesn’t have a negotiating partner, certainly while the Palestinian Authority is affiliating with Hamas. I’ve been very vocal on that. I think my record on Israel is pretty solid.”

    Weprin’s opponent, Republican Bob Turner, is a Catholic, a faith also heavily represented in the ninth district. While his own position on Israel matches Weprin’s, it’s his party’s overall opposition to Obama that may draw some Democrats away from supporting Weprin. “If Turner wins on Tuesday it will be largely due to the incredible unpopularity of Barack Obama dragging his party down in the district. Obama won 55% there in 2008 but now has a staggeringly bad 31% approval rating, with 56% of voters disapproving of him,” reported Public Policy Polling on Sunday. Alex Altman wrote in Time that “U.S. policy toward Israel is a signal issue for many voters; 37% of respondents in Siena [Research Institute]’s poll described it as ‘very important.’ ”

    Even though Weprin’s own position on Israel differs from Obama’s and aligns with Turner’s, Turner and the Republican party want to frame the issue on party lines. “It’s the president’s position and if you are with the party or against it, simple as that,” he told ABC News. Former New York City mayor Rudolf Giuliani, campaigning for Turner, said Weprin’s “willingness to follow anything the Obama administration wants him to do or say” on Israel would turn off voters in the normally Democratic district. Ed Koch, a Democratic former mayor, has crossed party lines to support Turner. “Koch’s argument, which has been thoroughly absorbed by numerous Turner supporters, is that the heavily Orthodox 9th district presents a unique opportunity to do what Scott Brown did for health care and put the scare into the White House over Israel,” Sarlin wrote.

    While the issue of Israel policy, along with domestic questions such as same-sex marriage (which Weprin supported but which does not have wide support in the ninth district), Weiner’s own indiscretions have largely disappeared from the race. Alex Altman wrote in Time that the “scandal-scarred incumbent” wasn’t the “primary bogeyman.” And in a small race on normally Democratic territory, some suggest that the Democratic machine may be enough for the win. These special elections usually get low turnout, and the local Democratic Party has a strong volunteer base. At Politico, Alex Isenstadt wrote, “Bill O’Reilly, a Turner strategist and veteran of New York City campaigns, conceded that Republicans can’t match the Democratic ground game. “Not a chance,” he said.

  136. Obama, the ‘67 lines and Jerusalem


    Why Netanyahu had no choice but to refuse the US administration’s terms for a settlement with the Palestinians.

    US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is reported to have charged Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu with being an ingrate for failing to accept President Barack Obama’s terms for a settlement with the Palestinians. In this, Gates is echoing earlier presidential “spokesmen” such as former ambassador Martin Indyk and New York Times correspondent Thomas Friedman.

    Apparently, it is expected that a country benefiting from American largesse will agree to surrender territory, rights and history in return.

    In order to understand what the president was asking of Israel, and therefore why Netanyahu had to refuse, it is necessary to analyze just what his pronouncement calling for talks to start on the basis of the June 1967 lines entails.

    For one thing, no previous American president had premised the Israeli-Palestinian talks on such a basis. American pronouncements repeatedly emphasized that the negotiations, and indeed any forthcoming agreement, was a matter for the parties to agree upon. No outside party was entitled to intervene and dictate the terms of the discussions.

    The closest that any administration came to making such suggestions was the ill-fated Rogers Plan of 1969 which, while calling for Jerusalem to remain united, also endorsed a settlement with only minor territorial changes. Israel vigorously rejected the Rogers Plan, with prime minister Golda Meir declaring that a government accepting that plan as a starting point would be guilty of undermining Israeli security. The Nixon administration beat a hasty retreat, and with the substitution of Henry Kissinger as secretary of state in place of William P. Rogers, nothing more was heard of the plan.

    That episode also highlights another unusual feature of the Obama pronouncements.

    Presidents generally float new ideas by means of a subordinate, a state department official or even a secretary of state. Such a procedure ensures that the president’s prestige is not directly involved. It allows the president to backtrack, if need be, or qualify the subordinate’s statement without loss of face and without the embarrassment of a major confrontation and crisis with an injured party. In relation to the Middle East, however, Obama is acting very much as his own secretary of state, issuing orders or statements directly from the White House. This leaves very little room for revision of policy. It becomes this or nothing.

    On the subject of Jerusalem, such an approach is fraught with danger.

    WHEN JORDAN unleashed its barrage on Jerusalem, against Israeli suburbs, during the Six Day War, the Israeli response was immediate and overwhelming.

    Within two days Israel had expelled the Jordanians and united Jerusalem under Israeli control.

    The international legal implications of this development were spelled out by Stephen Schwebel, subsequently America’s judge on the International Court of Justice, in an article entitled, “What Weight to Conquest,” that appeared in the American Journal of International Law in 1970. He wrote: “Having regard to the consideration that … Israel … [acted] defensively in 1948 and 1967 … and her Arab neighbors … [acted] aggressively in 1948 and 1967 … Israel has better title in the territory of what was Palestine, including the whole of Jerusalem, than do Jordan or Egypt.”

    It should be remembered that neither President Johnson’s Five Points nor Security Council Resolution 242 mentioned Palestinians. When the legal status of Jerusalem was determined in 1967 in the wake of the Six Day War the Palestinians were not a legal factor. Israel contends that nothing has occurred in the interval to disturb Israel’s sovereign right in all of Jerusalem. This status was confirmed in 1980 by the Knesset when it adopted a law declaring: “Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel.”

    Nor did the 1993 Oslo Accords modify matters, even with Jerusalem being designated as the first item listed for the final status talks. Prime minister Yitzhak Rabin declared in 1995: “Undivided Jerusalem is the heart of the Jewish people and the capital of the state of Israel. Undivided Jerusalem is ours.” Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, in a 1994 interview, said: “We have told the Palestinians this – we are very adamant about our position. Jerusalem will not be redivided.

    It will not be a Berlin… One cannot have two capitals in one city because that would mean a division of Jerusalem. It is the historical capital of Israel and Israel’s capital today.

    … In summation, I would say that in the political sense, the issue of Jerusalem is closed and it will remain the united capital of Israel.”

    For these two men, discussion of Jerusalem in the final status talks would relate only to matters of religious and social interests, not to the political status of the city. Thus, in legal terms, Israel’s position, as outlined by Prime Minister Netanyahu in his recent Washington appearances, accurately reflected the longstanding bipartisan position of the Israeli consensus.

    IT IS this status of Jerusalem that President Obama apparently seeks to modify. He cannot challenge Israel’s title directly. By confirming the ’67 line he seeks to posit that Israel lacks title in east Jerusalem. However, both the facts and the law regarding Israel’s claim are clear and decisive. Prime Minister Netanyahu was therefore fully justified, and even compelled, to adhere to the pattern of his predecessors in declaring categorically that the ’67 lines are not the starting point for any negotiations. Those lines were armistice lines, and no more.

    Netanyahu was unable to allow the United States to conceive, even for a moment, that Israel could accept a dictat about the status of Jerusalem. It is Israel’s contention that anything proposing the redivision of Jerusalem is destructive of the search for peace.

    Acceptance of Obama’s reference to the June ’67 lines means acceptance of a scheme to divest Israel of its title to Jerusalem “complete and united.”

    This, in Israel’s view, is not compatible with the search for peace. Anyone suggesting that Israel accept Obama’s proposals for negotiations should first ponder the implications of those proposals for Israel’s capital, Jerusalem.

  137. Mrs. Smith Perry is still behaving as if he is in Texas which has some of the most lax reporting of money. I’ve never seen Perry as anything but the center right guy. Now Cornyn is another story. Perry vetoed just as much stuff from the right as the left.

  138. The thing is mcnorman, Obama is so corrupt, every other political candidate looks like a Parking Valet getting a $500/tip for driving the getaway car.

  139. Solyndra, Fast & Furious, Record levels of Poverty, drop in poularity …

    Boy, quite a day for Barry, and the hits keep coming.

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