Republican Debate Tonight Matters

Update: The Romney versus Perry fight instigated by Brian Williams:

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At the last Republican debate we headlined “The Eventual Nominee Will Not Be There“. Tonight’s Republican debate (at 8:00 on MSNBC which we are still boycotting and live streamed by Politico) matters because the eventual nominee might be there. Yup, Rick Perry.

Rick Perry is not liked around these parts because it is a bit to rodeo. But, Rick Perry might very well be the Republican nominee. Today in an article called “Is Barack Obama Dumb” we amuse ourselves with the narrative:

“Is Barack Obama Dumb?

It’s just a matter of time before mainstream liberal journalists call for a primary challenge to Obama next year. Where’s Hillary?

A mere four months ago, most readers looking at the above headline would undoubtedly shake their heads and think the author was a gun-for-hire Tea Party provocateur and quickly click away from the page. But the political climate has changed dramatically this summer, and even hard-core liberals are wondering about the smarts of President Obama as they consider the perceived nightmare of President Rick Perry (who was victim of the same headline last week on Politico). It’s a measure of Obama’s current electoral pickle that some of those questioning the President’s decisions (or lack thereof) write for The New York Times and openly wonder if the man can get re-elected, whether it’s Perry or Mitt Romney who wins the GOP nomination next year. [snip]

As I’ve written before in this space, Perry’s adherence to creationism, apparent fear of homosexuals, abortion opposition, constant invocations of God and dismissal of global warming make me queasy, but in next year’s election those extreme right-wing positions won’t really matter. The only issue is the dreadful economy, which shows no sign of improving before voters pass down their verdict, and while you can scoff at Texas’ remarkable job creation in the past several years—the general liberal reckoning is that all those jobs are at minimum-wage fast food joints—it’s not as if Obama can make any boasts about his own record on that score. [snip]

Bruni’s piece is perfectly timed, and though he’s a rabid liberal, you could sense that what he really wanted to say, but just couldn’t, was Won’t Someone Please Run Against Obama in the Democratic Primaries. Maybe next month, after the next dismal jobs report.”

Dump Obama Dimocrat dimwits or face President Perry (or President Palin or President Christie (and maybe even President Rubio if there is a brokered convention.)) The respected by Big Media National Journal also warns today about thinking Rick Perry as a rodeo clown with too much “baggage” to win:

“Last month, I laid out the reasons why I thought Texas Gov. Rick Perry was the clear Republican front-runner. I’ll take it one step further: Perry would be a very formidable nominee against President Obama, and he poses a stronger threat than most Democrats realize and many Republican strategists acknowledge.

The hits are already out. Democrats are looking at Perry’s states’ rights, anti-Washington manifesto Fed Up! as a gold mine for opposition researchers, eager to pounce on his claim that Social Security is akin to a Ponzi scheme. They think that his skepticism on climate change makes him seem extreme, even as Obama halted implementation of antismog regulations in a last-ditch attempt to help create jobs. Most view Perry’s aggressive defense of Second Amendment rights as a general-election loser; never mind that Democrats haven’t touched the gun-control issue since Al Gore’s failed 2000 presidential campaign, and for good reason. All of the conventional wisdom couldn’t be more off base.


Perry has won all his previous elections:

“Perry has proven throughout his long career that he’s a canny political observer, and he picked up on the anti-Washington mood enveloping the country long before the smart set in Washington did. On the campaign trail, he may be toning down the language from his book, but if anything, his broad themes of bureaucratic incompetence and government overreach offer a striking contrast to Obama’s agenda and get at many of the anxieties facing Americans today. If Obama could point to a record of job creation, Perry’s musings wouldn’t have the same resonance. To an electorate registering historic levels of pessimism about the future, Perry looks more like the candidate of change—and, perhaps, hope.

Polls show that voters care about jobs and the economy, first and foremost. Perry can point to his record as Texas governor, one of the few states with a record of job creation during the recession. Whether he’s responsible for that record is a debatable point, but politically, it is a clear winner. Second on the list is concern over government spending, and Perry’s book is a virtual treatise against excessive federal spending.

Rick Perry has some ‘splaining to do, but compare his needed explanations to Obama’s mountain of needed explanations for failure:

“Perry will have to address his views on entitlements, but his vulnerabilities on that front pale in comparison to Obama’s vulnerabilities on the economy. Only 35 percent of senior citizens approve of the president’s job performance, according to Gallup, one of his worst-performing demographic groups. With seniors so down on the president, it’s hard to see Perry’s book quote being a game-changer. [snip]

If the historic 2010 midterms demonstrated anything, it was a massive pushback against Obama’s big government policies—the stimulus and health care reform in particular. Obama saw his 2008 election as a mandate for a more activist government, and his policies created a resistance that is still churning today. Grassroots insurgencies don’t happen in a vacuum. But Democrats are still grasping at polls that show that the tea party is unpopular, even though the antigovernment sentiment that fueled the movement is as powerful as ever. The White House misread the tea party movement from the start, and it seems to be misreading it to this day.

Ah, the treacheries:

Just look at the president’s decision last Friday to suspend antismog standards, something that goes against the environmental record his administration has proudly stood for. This was a profound concession: Obama is either conceding that excessive regulation can hamper economic growth, or he’s acknowledging the political pitfalls of an activist government. And if the political pendulum has swung so much to the right that even Obama is cutting back environmental protection for the hope of economic growth, it suggests that Perry’s antigovernment views aren’t limited to cranky conservatives.

The other major asset that Perry brings to the table in a general election is immigration. The Republican nominee’s ability to connect with Hispanic voters, concentrated in battleground states like Nevada, Colorado, and Florida, is critical to winning the White House in 2012 and beyond. Perry brings a track record of Hispanic outreach in Texas, and he carried 38 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2010 against Democrat Bill White, in line with George W. Bush’s performance as governor.

More notably, while campaigning to win the conservative Republican base, he has carefully avoided the strident anti-immigration rhetoric that often characterizes the party’s loudest voices. He came out against a border fence—virtual heresy among elements of the right—and didn’t back down from his support of allowing illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition in his state. Perry’s team is playing long ball, and it recognizes the importance of the Hispanic vote and his unique ability to win enough of them over.

Pair Perry on the presidential ticket with an up-and-coming Hispanic running mate such as Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida or New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, and the Hispanic vote is squarely in play. Gallup found Obama’s approval among Hispanics down to 44 percent. If Obama can’t win over a clear majority of Hispanics, ball game’s over.

Those that think Perry’s book is a killer quote-fest better think again:

“With his book, Perry opponents believe they have a gold mine of opposition research, but it hardly raises an eyebrow compared to past presidential nominees. Jimmy Carter was eager to face Ronald Reagan, who recorded commentaries arguing that Medicare would lead America down a path to socialism. Bill Clinton avoided military service, admitted to smoking pot (without inhaling), and had to deal with rumors of extramarital affairs during the 1992 campaign. Both won in landslides against presidents facing rough economic times.

With an economy this weak, and with little expectations of it improving, the Democrats would need a scorched-earth culture war campaign painting Perry as an extremist to prevent his capturing the White House, and even that might not be enough. To quote Democratic strategist James Carville: “It’s the economy, stupid.” If the economy doesn’t show signs of improving pronto, Democrats could be staring down the face of President Perry in 2013.”

Karl Rove’s attacks against Rick Perry will not hurt Perry. If Willard Romney attacks Perry, Perry will use the term Obama/Romney-care against Romney. Michelle Bachmann will be prepared to go after Perry but that will only be effective if Perry goes after her first (like she fileted Pawlenty).

This debate matters and might even prove more fun than the last one.

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238 thoughts on “Republican Debate Tonight Matters

  1. They have put Mitt and Rick centre stage, gotta say Rick Perry is extremely charismatic. Mitt just makes me laugh, he is just plastic.

  2. Romney next for the Tim Russert, er, Brian Williams treatment. These candidates are going to learn why we have stated that they should boycott NBC/MSNBC and Pollitico.

  3. #!(*^#@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I CAN’T watch this sh!tface MSNBC BS!!!!!!!!!!

    The moderators f**king questions are longer than the candidates answers!

    Fothermuckers.

  4. lol, is there any other candidates gonna get a question, its all perry/romney, the others are basically padding.

  5. Santorum, just go away, you are basically the first one killed in a slasher movie version of a presidential election.

  6. MoonOnPluto, now Santorum is taking up time talking about how he is able to work with Democrats.

    Cain does his song and dance too.

  7. Santorum really is the blonde that runs into the woods and gets caught by a masked killer within 5 mins of the film starting.

  8. Perry spent one day in Texas even though the fires in Bastrop, near Austin continue to rage, looked more like a photo shoot.

    He and his Buddy’s stole land from family ranchers that have held that land for many a generation for his toll roads to hell. Lined the pockets of many of his henchmen. His plan is to put them all over Texas and then the US. Did I tell you the company wasn’t even American that won the bid?

    The best he did is not fuc8K up Texas. The real power here lies in the legislature, but the nation won’t understand that.

    Don’t get me started on his mandated vaccines that caused my daughter to be very ill for 2 years…

    I hate Perry

  9. MSNBC favorite Jon Huntsman is given a chance to attack Romney on Huntsman’s one area of expertise – China. Huntsman also pivots to jobs and touts his record in Utah.

  10. Williams asks Bachmann for a specific example of bad regulations. Bachmann hits a homer with Obama health care scam rules.

  11. September 7th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
    Ok Huntsman we get, you can speak mandarin.
    ************

    But can he speak middle American?

  12. Ron Paul is given some time to discuss regulations.

    Williams tries with a defense of drug industry regulations which Paul turns around and says that it is drug industry people who write the regulations anyway.

  13. Gingrich is used by Williams as a tool to attack Perry because he wrote the foreword to Perry’s book. Gingrich defends Perry by saying it was an idea book. All the candidates should do the same and protect each other from Big Media MSNBC attacks.

  14. That a$$hat Williams is arguing with the candidates and why the f**k does he get to ask different questions of each?

    What’s the basis for comparison? The response to this fothermucker’s scripted inquiries.

    Grrrrrrr…………

    I hate this format.

  15. Romney tries to separate his health care plan from Obama’s.

    Perry is now the one having to explain Texas health situation. He says turn these programs to the states.

  16. Huntsman gets more time and he uses it wisely to state how well he did as governor.

    Bachmann, says it will take more than what the gubernatorial candidates propose to wipe out Obamacare. She says she’ll do it.

  17. Gingrich gets kudos tonight. He states he will not be a vehicle for attacks against fellow candidates. Good move Gingrich.

    Gingrich then says Big Media is out to protect Obama and all the candidates should be aware of that. More kudos.

  18. Moderators : “Mr. Cain, Newt Gingrich just got the crowd to hate me. Please tone things down with a kindly, soft-spoken answer.”

    What an idiot.

  19. Williams goes after Santorum by stating the Catholic faith states to care for the poor. Santorum replies he worked for the poor. He cites welfare reform as a way to end dependency. He states poverty went down after welfare reform.

  20. Williams now targets Perry. Black poverty higher than white poverty is the issue Williams wants answered. Perry states that jobs are the issue and that job creation must be made easier. Perry cites Kennedy.

  21. Romney is asked about Bachmann’s promise to bring down gas prices to $2 a gallon. Romney does what Gingrich suggested and does not attack Bachman.

    Bachmann cites the potential for energy jobs with regulations cut.

  22. Newt’s doesn’t have a problem speaking truth to power and is great thinking on his feet. The thing is… once he has the power he abuses it. No one can forget him shutting down Congress and losing the battle with BC.

  23. Huntsman is asked about $2 gas. He says that is not a promise to be made. He then suggests Obama ditch the TelePrompTers and speak from the heart and provide leadership.

    Huntsman is never interrupted by the moderators or asked tough follow-up questions.

  24. Paul is indulging in attacks on his fellow candidates. He discusses mandates with attacks on others. Promises to bring gas down to a dime. Gets interrupted.

  25. Perry attacks Hillarycare which Paul mentioned Perry “supported”. Perry then brings up a Paul letter to Reagan attacking Reagan. Paul responds with love for Reagan.

    Break time.

    Williams must be going to a seance to get more instructions from Tim Russert.

  26. Did Ron Paul ever figure out it was Bush and Cheney who undermined the second half of Reagan’s presidency?

  27. Perry is now asked to explain his Social Security views. He replies that the issue now is to transition the program. He calls it a “ponzi scheme”. He is not backing down.

    Politico brings up Rove’s attacks on Perry and quotes Dick Cheney’s attacks on Perry too.

    Perry mocks Rove, says Social Security is not sound and it is a lie to say otherwise.

  28. Politico turns to Romney on Social Security and asks how not to scare seniors. Romney says Perry calls Social Security a “failure”. Romney says he wants to save SS and a candidate with a different view will lose.

    Perry asked to reply. Perry says results are important and that it is a Ponzi scheme. He says he is telling the truth.

    Cain says he himself is a solution seeker not sloganeer. Cain supports the Chilean system.

  29. Politico provides on a silver platter the opportunity, with suggestions, to Paul to attack Perry.l

    Bachmann is likewise prodded to attack Perry.

  30. Santorum is asked about Perry’s attacks on the Department of Homeland Security. Santorum voted for its creation.

    Santorum now declares that opt out was not enough. He says there should have been an opt in. Santorum calls Perry an Obama.

    Romney gives Perry a mulligan.

  31. “Does Bachmann lift off her hair in one piece and place on a stand somewhere?”

    Awwwww…….. Come on Mrs. Smith. Give the lady a break.

  32. Aw come on, Basil. Doncha know that HPV vaccinationg programs are #1 on everyone’s list when you ask them what is important right now. Otherwise, we might have to talk about something like jobs or the economy.

  33. Williams discusses all the natural disasters afflicting the country. Asks Ron Paul ‘isn’t FEMA good’. Paul says FEMA did not always exist and there are better ways of handling disasters.

  34. Cain somewhat agrees with Paul on FEMA and other federal agencies.

    Huntsman brings it back home by saying the Homeland Security Department has to be made to work but that the big issue is being given short shrift: JOBS.

  35. Of course they love having Ron Paul spew his nonsense. NBC’s goal is to help Obama by making all Repubs look bat-sh)t crazy. What better way than to let Ron Paul talk. It’s like letting Dennis Kuchinich speak for the Dems.

  36. I’m totally mezmerised by Mittens and Huntsmans hair,its captivating, Mormon hairdressers really should go global.

  37. Jon Huntsman has a v.good suntan for a guy who lives in DC and spends lots of time in NH.

    Spraytan or sunbed?

  38. To Perry,

    Your state ranks worst in education as we have already established.

    In spite of everything thrown at him Perry is holding his own.

    I want a hitjob on the MSM media whores. Let’s put Williams, Mathews, Maddow, Mitchell, and the whole POS crew up on stage and grill them about why they’ve been buttkissing BO for the past 3 years.

    ARGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. Perry knocked that out of the park, Obama either stupid or an abject liar.

    Romney, a fence, yeah a 1500 km fence will work….not.

  40. Telemundo is brought in to ask about immigration. Perry says more “boots on the ground” and predator drones can secure the border. After than you have a discussion on immigration reform. Calls Obama either misinformed or a liar.

    Romney wants a fence and enough border patrol agents. Romney attacks sanctuary cities and employers who hire illegal immigrants.

  41. “I’m totally mezmerised by Mittens and Huntsmans hair,its captivating, Mormon hairdressers really should go global.”

    Now put down the bottle, moononpluto. Walk away, slowly, Stay away from scissors.

    OOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    Perry says BO must be an abject liar to have declared the borders safe.

  42. Gingrich says he voted for immigration reform during Reagan years. Wants guest worker program and have that outsources. Wants English as official language. If for finding a way to not deport.

    Santorum agrees with Gingrich.

  43. “Leave my gin and tonic alone.”

    Just kidding, moononpluto. We need a couple of drinks to get through the Brian Williams sh!tfest.

    I can’t stand the format. Now they have that a$$hole hispanic “guest’ commenter grilling the candidates.

    What’s next? This is a 3-ring circus/drive-by shooting.

  44. I’ve realised who huntsman reminds me off…its George Hamilton, they do the same eyebrow thing, same tan, everything.

  45. Paul says something loopy about a fence keeping us in. Apologies if we misunderstood because we sorta tuned him out.

    Another break to as HWC says, consult with Axelrod.

  46. Thanks admin- for the musical commercial… Bachmann’s hair stood firm during Katrina.. you can bet on it..

  47. Nancy is not looking too well- I realize she took a fall and Rubio saved her from hitting her head… nevertheless.. she doesn’t look long for this world. This could be her last hurrah for Ronnie-

  48. The disappearing Bachmann came in for a cameo.

    Huntsman deplores the state of the union ten years after 9/11. Wants troops home. Wants nation building here.

    Romney worried about recession and loss of jobs. Absence of leadership. Goes after Obama “in over his head.” Says we need someone who not only loves America but knows what he is doing.

  49. Mitt lays into Obama very very viciously but with a velvet glove. says in over his head, not a leader and flailing about.

  50. Asked to clarify, Perry denounces military adventures.

    Bachmann says Obama weakened American militarily. She denounces cuts to military.

  51. Huntsman, the Utah electorate is nothing like the rest of the country, you cant compare it to a general election.

  52. Politico goes to Perry and says that Huntsman must have meant him. Perry says the theories of man made global warming should not be used to make decisions on government spending and policy.

    Perry says it is not good science and not good politics.

    Prodded by Politico, Perry defends the Texas environmental record. Repeats the science is not settled.

  53. Bachmann asked about drilling in the Florida Everglades. She says if it is done responsibly. Attacks the EPA using Obama’s recent suspension of rules and regulations. Smart move by Bachmann to use Obama. The DailyKooks will go kookier.

  54. Gingrich asked about Bernanke, head of the Fed. Gingrich says he would fire him tomorrow because of inflationary policies. Pivots to jobs.

  55. Romney asked about taxes. Thinks all Americans should pay taxes but does not want to raise taxes. Says the “Obama economy” hurts the middle class. Would fire Bernanke. Praises his own jobs plan.

  56. More questions for Perry – on all the executions in Texas. Applause breaks out in audience.

    Perry says the process in Texas is fair and there is plenty of judicial review. Says “if you kill one of our children….. you will be executed.”

    Williams asks why the audience applauded.

    Perry responds Americans understand justice. “Heinous crimes” must be punished in Texas says Perry.

  57. Williams asks Paul about hot meals for children in schools (started by LBJ). Paul says it is not authorized by the Constitution to run a welfare state. But, if states want to do it, go ahead. Says Libertarians are not cruel.

  58. It’s over.

    Gingrich gets kudos. Perry did well. Romney did well. Bachmann did well but disappeared. All others disappeared too. Huntsman got a lot of attention from Obama lovers Politico and MSNBC.

  59. BASIL99
    September 7th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Too bad gingrich is such a douche. He really is quite intelligent.
    ———–
    Yup, I agree.

  60. My score;

    Romney – B
    Perry – B
    Gingrich – A but won’t help him
    Bachman – c+
    Santorum – nice try but C-
    Cain – perky and cute with that 999 slogan but C
    Huntsman – who?
    Who’d I leave out?

  61. Thanks everyone for the great updates on the debate. There is nothing on planet Earth that could entice me to watch MSNBC…

  62. Gingrich is clearly the most qualified and least electable. On a side note, Huntsman hair is actually beter than Romnyes.

  63. jbstonesfan
    September 7th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
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    No. I like Mitts and I thought Perry’s looked awful.Kind of like a 30’s depression ear hick look.

  64. My score, although I missed 3/4s of the debate

    Romney – C
    Perry – C + but he is a cowboy that I don’t trust
    Gingrich – A- but an F because he screwed the Big Dawg
    Bachman – C
    Santorum – F zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, snorefest
    Cain – B He is to the point and I like much of his reasoning
    Huntsman – who? (same)
    Paul – A-, smart as heck, I respect him but can’t accept many of his policies. He should have been around in 1776.
    Who’d I leave out?

  65. Good for Ron Paul not letting them make him seem like he has no compassion.
    *************

    Agreed. I don’t know, but this group sounded so much more intelligent than 2008’s?

  66. On this momentous night for Republicans guess what is at the top of DrudgeReport. Yup, it’s a picture of Hillary.

    With a link to this story:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/dick-cheney-to-hillary-clinton-run/

    Dick Cheney to Hillary Clinton: Run!

    LOS ANGELES — Hillary Clinton for president?

    “So far she hasn’t said she would, but I think it’s not a bad idea,” former Vice President Dick Cheney told ABC’s Jonathan Karl in an interview on Wednesday to promote his new book “In My Time.”

    Cheney declined to say whether he thought the current Secretary of State would have been a better president than Barack Obama, but called her a “pretty formidable individual.”

    I think she’s probably the most competent person they’ve got in their– in their cabinet. And– frankly, I thought she was gonna win the nomination last time around,” Cheney said. “Maybe if– the Obama record is bad enough– and these days it’s not very good, given the shape of the economy maybe there will be enough ferment– in the Democratic Party so that there will be a primary on their side.

    During the interview, Cheney criticized several of the Republican presidential candidates, including front-runner Rick Perry whose comments about Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Cheney described as “over-the-top.”

    While Cheney sounded positive notes about Clinton, he said not to expect him to endorse anyone on the Republican side anytime soon.

    “I don’t plan to endorse anybody till we get a lot farther down the road,” he said.

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  67. BASIL99
    September 7th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
    A Perry hitfest. What a group of POS. Ten minutes on HPV. Fothermuckers. Divide and conquer.
    *****************

    Because it was mandated and taken out of parents choice. Your kids couldn’t go to public school and Perry’s friends, the just in case they didn’t cover it,the drugs/vaccine makers, paid him handsomely in donations. Hmmm

  68. I think Huntsman did well. I actually liked him and could vote for him if the alternative was B.O. I may also be able to vote for Gingrich.

    The rest of them make me want to puke.

    What do you think the opinion of Perry would be if he looked like Sara Palin? He needs to stay on planet Texas and go swimming in the Gulf of Mexico. Hey, why didn’t the moderators ask if he swam there?

    Romney reminds me of a Ken doll.

    Ron Paul sounded rabid.

    WHERE IS HILLARY!!!???!!!

    PPPPPPPLLLLLLLLEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  69. admin
    September 7th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    On this momentous night for Republicans guess what is at the top of DrudgeReport. Yup, it’s a picture of Hillary.
    ****************************************************

    oh, thank you, you posted that before I asked.

    HIL-LAR-RY!!!

  70. From bitterpolitiz
    ***************

    I’m still LOL about bring a hispanic guy out just for the immigration part of the debate, I mean really could NBC get any more racist?!?!?
    and then he was dismissed when it was over..

  71. Drat! I’d rather hear Hillary…

    Presidential address change forces Time’s 9/11 event to replace Hillary Clinton with Giuliani

    The move of President Barack Obama’s address to a joint session of Congress to Thursday to accommodate Wednesday’s Republican primary debate has indirectly claimed a media-related casualty.

    Tomorrow night’s advance screening of Time magazine and HBO’s “Beyond 9/11: Portraits of Resilience” was supposed to include a Q&A with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Not anymore.

    “Due to the President’s address to Congress now planned for tomorrow evening, Thursday, September 8th, Secretary Clinton is unable to join us at the Beyond 9/11 event,” a statement from the event organizers reads. “We are pleased that former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani will now join Richard Stengel for a conversation after the screening.”

    Giuliani will likely face questions about a possible 2012 election bid.

    In an appearance at the National Press Club Tuesday, Giuliani said he still hasn’t made a final decision about whether he’ll make a second bid for the Republican nomination.

    “It would be difficult for me to be nominated,” Giuliani said. “We’d have to be truly desperate.”

    Meanwhile, HBO’s cable news sibling, CNN, is planning special coverage of Obama’s address on job creation, with Wolf Blitzer anchoring coverage beginning at 5 p.m., and CNN International simulcasting the event.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/presidential-address-change-forces-time-9-11-event-205137118.html;_ylt=Ap5nuNW3jk8p0PLrXD_n6nkWP5Z4

  72. September 07, 2011

    Hillary Clinton Deserves Credit for U.S. Role in Libya: View

    Sept. 8 (Bloomberg) — The unsung hero of the Libya drama in the U.S. is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    Clinton’s actions were critical for several reasons. Most important, she overcame Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s caution about using military force in Libya and his reluctance to support an operation led by France and Britain. Clinton also personally managed the unorthodox partnership with French President Nicolas Sarkozy that proved so crucial to joint action to defeat the Qaddafi regime.

    Despite the unusual arrangement in which the U.S. was a supporter rather than a leader of NATO’s military operation, she defended intervention before a skeptical Congress and performed the hard slog of daily diplomacy around the world, helping Arab countries, the Europeans and the U.S. work together with a minimum of friction and a maximum of determination.

    Aside from the killing of Osama bin Laden, the decision to support NATO military action in Libya is probably the Obama administration’s most important achievement in international affairs. Although Muammar Qaddafi is still at large and the country is a long way from having a stable, representative government, there is little doubt that the Qaddafi regime has been defeated as a result of an internal revolt led by the Transitional National Council. History will surely judge that, by intervening on the side of the rebellion, the West — primarily the governments of France, the U.K. and the U.S. — made a unique and invaluable contribution to the democratic aspirations of the people of the Middle East.

    That said, the Obama administration’s decision-making process remains opaque. The veteran journalist Bob Woodward’s next book, due out in the fall of 2012, may shed some light on the question of whose voices were decisive this past March, when President Barack Obama decided to support a United Nations resolution and a NATO military operation for Libya.

    Based on our discussions with administration officials, as well as the public record, some preliminary conclusions about the decision are possible. First, while we argued for a more active U.S. military role in NATO’s operation, it is now clear that Obama’s unprecedented approach — in which Washington supported, rather than led, a NATO operation — was successful in the end.

    Second, by breaking with Gates, Clinton tipped the balance within the administration in favor of action. Without her strong argument to support the Europeans’ call for American help, Washington probably would not have acted. The president’s national security adviser, Tom Donilon, was declaring freedom in Libya to be outside the U.S. national interest, and both military and civilian officials in the Pentagon were reluctant to endorse or even opposed U.S. intervention. But Clinton’s push for the U.S. to act in support of Britain and France appears to have been decisive.

    In retrospect, the fears of Gates and other military officials that action in Libya would be a slippery slope, perhaps leading to U.S. involvement on the ground in a third war in the Middle East, seem wildly overblown. Obama said the U.S. would play a limited role by offering unique military assets, such as aerial refueling and air-defense suppression capabilities. Congress not only opposed sending in ground troops but mostly opposed any U.S. involvement. Obama wisely resisted.

    For better or worse, the Libya model is not likely to be repeated anytime soon. This is not, as some say, because NATO will never again intervene in a situation like Libya’s. After the Kosovo war, many also said NATO would never again act against a dictator to save lives. The Libya model is no guide for the future because such a unique set of circumstances in favor of military action is not likely to happen again.

    Think about the conditions: A despised dictator threatened mass murder; an open desert provided a decisive advantage for air power; a rebel army on the ground sought democratic change and espoused Western values; the UN at least loosely endorsed NATO air operations; the Arab League called for the West to intervene militarily in an Arab country; and U.S. allies prepared to do all the heavy lifting. Given those circumstances, it is still hard to explain why there were determined opponents, primarily in the Republican Party, to this mission in the first place.

    Throughout most of Obama’s term in office, only a few administration officials have commanded respect and political power on national security matters: Clinton, Gates and General David Petraeus, the most decorated and admired officer of recent times. With Gates now gone and Petraeus in a non-policy role as director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Clinton’s power will only increase as the president’s re-election campaign heats up. We hope she recognizes her opportunity and uses it well.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-07/hillary-clinton-deserves-credit-for-u-s-role-in-libya-view.html

  73. Re: Newt

    No one (not even most Republicans) ever want Newt for president. But he’s a smart man, and has good insight from time to time when he’s not being a massive douche. Newt can often contribute something insightful or useful when a group is doing discussion and analysis – as I said, he is a very smart man. But he would enjoy power waaaaaaay too much. Scary much. He needs to avoid power for the sake of his own soul and psyche. Not healthy for him. Keep him away from power and he’s okay.

    Re: Perry and Mitt:

    I think Perry will be the nominee. Not because of his performance tonight, though. Mittens actually came off better than Perry here, but the base ain’t voting for Mittens. Perry is not stupid, but he needs better prep. He struck me as having been warned about coming across too “smartass”, which is his usual style, and so he was uncomfortable.

    I’m always of the opinion that you are better off letting a candidate be themselves than not. Because even if their natural style has its downside, trying to change it just muddies the water and trips them up. Perry can be an ass, but I think his handlers would be better off letting him be that than trying to squelch him and putting him offstride.

    Bachmann is done, and so are the rest. Unless Sarah gets in (and damn, I wish she would), then it’s a two man race between Mitt and Perry.

  74. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-whopper-of-a-claim-on-tax-cuts/2011/09/06/gIQAmL2h7J_blog.html

    The Fact Checker

    Obama’s whopper of a claim on tax cuts

    “We said working folks deserved a break, so within one month of me taking office, we signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history, putting more money into your pockets.”

    — President Obama, Sept. 5, 2011

    The president’s Labor Day speech in Detroit featured an assertion that contained a number of warning signs that it might be an errant fact: “biggest middle-class tax cut in history.”

    First of all, anytime a politician claims he or she has done something historic, watch your pockets. That’s usually a dubious claim.

    Then, “biggest” can mean all sorts of things. If we are talking about dollars, then are they inflation-adjusted or measured against the overall economy? Raw dollar figures are essentially meaningless without that context.

    Finally, the “middle-class” modifier. What’s the definition of “middle-class”? There are many ways one could slice and dice that classification.

    Clearly the president wants to demonstrate he’s a tax-cutter. And certainly White House officials have been frustrated that the $116 billion Making Work Pay tax cut was largely unnoticed by Americans.

    We decided to put the president’s claim to the test.

    The Facts
    We took an informal survey in our office and asked people what they thought the president’s statement meant. Everyone agreed he was claiming the biggest tax cut in terms of dollars.

    Imagine our surprise when the White House responded that he wasn’t talking about dollars at all.

    “The point the president was making that is there is not a tax cut that has been enjoyed by such a broad section of the population,” an administration official said, pointing to a report that said that 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under the Making Work Pay provision in his stimulus bill.

    Huh?

    In other words, this isn’t about the size of the tax cut, but about the fact that every working family, except those making more than $190,000, received as much as $800 in tax cuts.

    That strikes us as very odd way to claim “the biggest,” but maybe that’s because Obama can’t make that claim. We ran the numbers every which way, but the fairest over time is to look at the tax cut as a percentage of national income (Gross Domestic Product minus depreciation.)

    John F. Kennedy seems to win the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half century. By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts are more than twice as large as Obama’s tax cut over the same three-year time span. (Yes, a large portion of Bush’s tax cut went to the wealthy, but it also benefited the working poor. We still don’t know what Obama means by “middle class,” since his definition also seems to include the working poor.)

    Incidentally, the report that the administration official cited as “outside validation” for the 95 percent statistic just mentioned it as an aside. We checked with one of the co-authors, and he said the source for the figure was a White House fact sheet.

    We’re not that impressed by the 95 percent claim, in any case. Essentially, all this means is that the top 5 percent of taxpayers did not receive the tax cut. Some economists might argue the cut-off limited the effectiveness of the provision as economic stimulus.

    The Pinocchio Test

    Obama’s claim of having passed the “biggest middle-class tax cut in history” is ridiculous. He might have been on more solid ground if he had claimed the “broadest” tax cut, but that doesn’t sound very historic.

    We went back and forth over whether this was a three or four Pinocchio violation, until we found evidence that Obama knew he was saying a whopper. Here’s how he put it in his 2010 State of the Union speech: “We cut taxes for 95 percent of working families.” That phrasing, at least, would not have been so misleading.

    Four Pinnocchios

    (four big Pinnoccios pictured at site)

  75. JanH
    September 7th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    September 07, 2011

    Hillary Clinton Deserves Credit for U.S. Role in Libya: View

    Sept. 8 (Bloomberg) — The unsung hero of the Libya drama in the U.S. is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    Clinton’s actions were critical for several reasons. Most important, she overcame Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s caution about using military force in Libya and his reluctance to support an operation led by France and Britain. Clinton also personally managed the unorthodox partnership with French President Nicolas Sarkozy that proved so crucial to joint action to defeat the Qaddafi regime.
    ********************************************

    Many people are not happy we went in on this.

  76. HillaryforTexas
    My dad thinks Newt Gingrich endorsed Palin tonight with his speech. He sees 2012 as repeat of 2008 where the political party chooses the nominee. he holds that Newt is not beholden to anyone and is smart and an asshole. i agree with him that Newt is very smart and an asshole but I argued with him about being beholden and he responded do you really think he cares what is said about him. Lost that argument. My dad can never let anything rest when he thinks he is right. He has to prove it over and over again. So I ended up watching lots of Newt. He blasts the media and backs up his accusations but he never endorses another GOP player.

  77. …just had a thought…while listening to recap of debate the “news” reported that Khadafi is cornered…call me cynical…but if O opens his speech tomorrow with the capture of Khadafi that would be the ultimate in manipulation…and I would not put it past him…

  78. S
    September 7th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
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    I don’t think anyone cares at this point. America did not lead and we want JOBS!

  79. Thank you all for the live blogging about the debate, and also for the grades you give.

    My reactions to debates like this – and to interviews too – are different from those of people who watch the audiovisuals. Hair/dress doesn’t matter, tone of voice doesn’t matter, accent or looks generally. All I get is the printed word, and you judge that differently from the spoken word with the accompanying image.

    That’s why I’m surprised that you seem to give thumbs down to Bachmann. I thought she made some good points and, in my book, holds her own.

  80. gonzotx
    September 7th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
    S
    September 7th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
    *************************
    I don’t think anyone cares at this point. America did not lead and we want JOBS!
    ————
    Yuppers, Barry can’t claim this as his idea, win or take any credit for it by putting America last to lead and first to pay with bombs. It was Hillary that threw rocks at his window while at 3 AM he slept in.

    No one cares if Daffy ends up dead or alive, he can no longer lead.

  81. jeswezey

    My reactions to debates like this – and to interviews too – are different from those of people who watch the audiovisuals. Hair/dress doesn’t matter, tone of voice doesn’t matter….

    That’s why I’m surprised that you seem to give thumbs down to Bachmann. I thought she made some good points and, in my book, holds her own.

    ——-
    I agree on appearance but my rating is low on Bachmann because she has a few good talking points, and no ideas beyond that.

    I will vote for anyone that runs against Barry in the general election, but I will not be happy about it unless it’s Hillary or plan B -Trump.

  82. My thumbs down to Bachman, and my assessment of the rest of the field, really has nothing to do with my personal preference or what I think of them. I’m looking from the point of view of what I believe the response of the average R voter will be. My analysis of the race, as far as my prediction of outcome goes, has very little to do with what I would prefer. Trying to predict what other voters will think is not at all the same as assessing what I or others like me think.

  83. Holy Smokes, this was posted on Drudge, poll after the debate:

    Total of 43,862 votes –

    Ron Paul
    43%
    (18,864 votes)
    Either this poll is run by Ron Paul supporters, or Paul is not the ‘crazy’ many say he is and is actually taken seriously, it’s an MSNBC Poll….hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Mitt Romney
    21.7%
    (9,520 votes)

    Rick Perry
    16.5%
    (7,257 votes)

    Jon Huntsman
    7.9%
    (3,474 votes)

    Newt Gingrich
    3.9%
    (1,722 votes)

    Herman Cain
    2.9%
    (1,280 votes)

    Michele Bachmann
    2.7%
    (1,185 votes)

    Rick Santorum
    1.3%
    (560 votes)

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

  84. Now this is the poll results…are this many people really voting???

    Total of 48,211 votes

    Ron Paul
    43.8%
    (21,264 votes)

  85. basil at September 7th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    ============

    I think you have a typo here. The highest ratio of male:female births is 116:100.

    I tend to agree overall with your idea. Except, contraception may be medically easy but isn’t accessible to everyone who wants it, even in the US. If we gave contraception/sterlization free to everyone, no cost, no hassle, no parental consent — I expect the birth rate would go way down, with no further deterrent needed.

    Something like that happened in Brazil:
    http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/8587799.html

    (A good article about Brazil was reposted to ontd; I haven’t read the comments.)

  86. President Obama’s half-brother, who runs a foundation that collects funds in the United States, was able to get approval of a tax-exempt status from the Internal Revenue Service in an unheard-of time period of only a month, records reveal.

    Barack Obama’s half-brother Abongo Malik Obama, also known as “Roy” Obama, appears to have received the sudden IRS approval to operate as a 501(c)3 tax-exempt organization in only 30 days. The result was made retroactive for three years.

    The Barack H. Obama Foundation, which runs out of a commercial mail drop in Arlington, Va., has solicited tax-deductible contributions on the Internet since 2008.

    But it first submitted an application for its tax exemption in May and was granted the status in June, according to records.

    Abongo Malik Obama continues to serve as the founder and president of the Barack H. Obama Foundation, which, since it was set up in 2008, has asked for tax-deductible contributions on the Internet, listing addresses and telephone numbers both in the U.S. and Kenya, but without disclosing the group lacked an IRS determination letter.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=342529

    ………………………………

    amazing what the irs can do with a bit of pressure.

  87. So, price tag of “American Jobs Act” to be proposed by POTUS will be around $400B, according to days reports, by tonight it will be half a trillion, no doubt.

  88. Reports: Bank of America to shutter 600 branches

    Bank of America will close up to 600 branches as part of its reorganization and cost-cutting moves, according to multiple reports this morning.

    Published and broadcast reports say Bank of America will split into separate consumer and commercial units, and that will lead to the branch closings.

    Charlotte’s NewsChannel 36 says analysts believe the decision to split into two units and close the branches is a signal that Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan plans broader and deeper layoffs than those announced earlier this week.

    The Observer reported that Moynihan’s reorganization efforts could lead to up to 30,000 job cuts.

    http://www.thestate.com/2011/09/08/1962797/reports-bank-of-america-to-shutter.html

    ………………………..

    30,000 job cuts, theres that Obamanomics again.

  89. moononpluto
    September 8th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    The NRSC reminds us of all the Obama, Pelosi & Reid job-creation promises over the past three years…
    ___________________

    Good commercial- I hope admin posts the video.
    ____________________

    BOA has been hit with so many lawsuits paying out tens of millions of dollars for each one- I don’t know how they can recoup even with the closing 600 branches…and laying off 30,000 workers. Someone is after them.. JP Morgan or Chase… I’m afraid with BOA, it’s too little, too late-

    Watch and see for a hostile takeover…

  90. Mrs Smith, amazing has nt even opened his mouth tonight yet and he’s already in a 30’000 deficit, that takes some doing.

    Porkulus 2 coming tonight, grand opening, freebies galore if you are a good Dem state.

  91. proof that Huntsman was a plant!From NQ
    *************************

    Each candidate had to have polled at least 5% at some point in order to be invited to this debate.
    NBC lowered the bar to 4% for this debate just so they could get Huntsman.

  92. WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Applications for unemployment compensation rose slightly last week, indicating little change in a weak U.S. jobs market in which net hiring remains near a standstill.

    Jobless claims rose to 414,000 from 412,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch forecast claims to rise to a seasonally adjusted 411,000 in the week ended Sept. 3.

    ……………….

    and on the day of his little jobs speech too.

  93. Interesting, as we thought. WH circulating talking points already on how to sell American Jobs act (giving a stimulus a fancy name now)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-morning-plum/2011/03/03/gIQA9L25BK_blog.html

    * Obama prepares to sell the “American jobs act”: In his speech today, Obama needs to accomplish one clear, overarching goal: Begin a process which will make it increasingly uncomfortable politically for Congress — Republicans in particular — not to act on his proposals, or some variation of them.

    To do this, Obama will stress two key points: First, that the ideas in his plan are bipartisan; and second, that Congressional action would provide immediate relief to the American people.

    Obama’s other challenge is this: How does he buy more time from an American public that has already heard many speeches from him, but does not believe his words and actions have made any difference? Obama will deal with this problem by pleading for more patience. He’ll make an expansive case that our problems were decades in the making, thanks to a decades long attack on the middle class’s economic security, and will require more time to solve.

    The White House is circulating talking points to outside allies and surrogates that offer the most detailed look yet at how Obama will pitch his plan. Here’s the key chunk:

    The American Jobs Act is:

    — based on bi-partisan ideas;

    — it is fully paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes and asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share; and

    — it will have an impact on job and economic growth NOW — just as soon as Congress acts.

    — Every day, people in this country are working hard to meet their responsibilities. The question now is whether Washington will meet theirs.

    — The time for obstruction and gridlock is over. Congress needs to put country ahead of politics.

    — The American people know that the economic crisis and the deep recession weren’t created overnight and won’t be solved overnight. The economic security of the American middle class has been under attack for decades.

    — That’s why President Obama believes we need to do more than just recover from this economic crisis.

    — The President is rebuilding the economy the American way — based on balance, fairness and the same set of rules for everyone from Wall Street to Main Street where hard work and responsibility pay and gaming the system is penalized.

    — It’s an American economy that’s built to last and creates the jobs of the future, by forcing Washington to live within its means so we can invest in small business entrepreneurs, education, and making things the world buys, not outsourcing, loopholes and reckless financial deals that put middle class security at risk.

    Obviously the policy details will be key to evaluating the speech, and it will also be interesting to see how Obama tells the larger story of the decades long attack on the “economic security of the American middle class” and the need to rebuild the economy for the future. But these seem like the broad political outlines.

    ……………………………..

    ooh i forsee lots of finger wagging tonight, he wont be able to resist.

  94. NQ
    ***************

    Democratic flacks, spinners and talking-heads are doing their
    best to scratch up the public images of Governors Rick Perry and Mitt Romney,
    and of the tea party, while largely ignoring other candidates for the GOP
    nomination. “What the American people saw tonight was all of the Republican
    candidates reaffirming their allegiance to the extreme ideology of the Tea
    Party,” Democratic Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who chairs the Democratic
    National Committee, declared at 10:42 p.m. “If you’re a middle class family
    looking for opportunity the GOP field once again offered no solutions tonight,”
    Wasserman Schultz said.

  95. gonzotx
    September 8th, 2011 at 9:09 am
    proof that Huntsman was a plant!From NQ

    **********

    But then how did Santorum get in?

  96. I think Romney is right. You can’t win with Perry’s position on SS. Of this bunch, Romney is the best…not saying much.

    It looks like Americans may be the big losers in the next election if we don’t get a president who will enforce immigration law. Communities like mine are going downhito to an out of control illegal immigration.

  97. I don’t believe Perry can beat Obama. Americans love SS and some of Perry’s ideas are just to scary for mainstream America. They will not vote or stick with the boob.

  98. Carol, SS is a complete mess, Perry is saying and rightly so it needs reforming, its been badly run for a long time. If it stays the way it is, there wont be SS in the future.

  99. It takes 42 seconds for David Plouffe to bring up “roads and bridges” when discussing Obama’s plan.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/08/watch-senior-white-house-advisor-previews-presidents-jobs-speech

    If roads and bridges is all he has,forget it. He wants more products stamped with Made in USA…that’s a laugh as he’s sending them abroad or forcing them to madagascar….Gibson CEO is gonna steam when he hears that tonight.

    What a load of horse manure. The muckspreader will be out in force tonight.

    Now you know why they try to keep Plouffe in the back office as much as possible.

  100. Quote of the day….Obama better beware.

    And the Texan will give at least as good as he gets.

    “Rick Perry has not won elections in Texas because he is loved,” said Castellanos. “He has won because he sticks a fork in his opponent’s eyeballs.”

  101. Make Democracy Work
    Make Governent Work

    Good morning American celebrated there 3 words today. People used this forum to give their three words of wisdom. I would like to share the two phrases above because it is the Truth

    The Hope and Change disaster should have taught us a lesson. I have worked in the inner bowels of the government, and what I can tell you is it does not change fast, and it does not change easily. So to be successful, you need to make the terrible system work. That is exactly what I did. That is the truth

    The politicians must acknowledge this or we are doomed. They must tell us the truth, and then make the system work the best that we can make it or we are doomed

    The political system is the same. Changing it would take an act of God. That does not mean we like it or approve of it. However we must work through it. So for me, I keep myself visible in the party. They look at me sheepishly, they don’t like that I told them the emperor was naked, and that they were terrible wrong. They don’t like that I ask them how they can sleep at night.

    However, I will not go away. I will work through this corrupt system somehow. This is how I feel that Hillary must feel, and makes me confident that she is the one.

    She does not promise you things she cannot deliver, and she know she must work through the system. That is the leader that you can trust.

    The inflaming flower words mean nothing. We must get HRC in to Office and 4 years is not enough.

    Make the Democracy work.
    Make the Government work.

  102. Interesting and revealing comment on HotAir, re: Hillary possibly challenging Obama:

    But there’s no way I want a competent Progressive in office. Incompetence is what’s saving us.

    Even her enemies know she would’ve cleaned the R’s clocks, and gotten shit done in a way that bolstered, not destroyed, the Dem brand.

  103. Obama’s face is going to be like thunder tonight.

    Now that’s what I’m talking about! Speaker Boehner bringing dozen job creators to Obama speech tonite

    http://www.speaker.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=258776

    Speaker Boehner to Host Private-Sector Job Creators in House Gallery for President Obama’s Address
    Speaker’s Guests Include More than a Dozen Job Creators Who Have Run Into Government Barriers in Their Efforts to Create New American Jobs

    WASHINGTON, DC (Sep 8) House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) today announced he will host more than a dozen private-sector job creators in the House gallery during President Obama’s address to a Joint Session of Congress tonight. Chief Deputy Whip Peter Roskam (R-IL) recruited these job creators as part of Republicans’ effort to reach out to American employers being hampered by excessive regulations from Washington, along with House GOP Conference Secretary John Carter (R-TX) and Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN). Following is a brief look at each of the Speaker’s guests:

    Spencer Weitman is the President of National Cement, which recently suspended construction of a new $350 million cement kiln in Ragland, AL due to regulatory obstacles. The construction project would have created more than 1,500 construction jobs and 20 new full-time operational positions, but was determined too costly and unpredictable because of proposed changes to EPA Clean Air Act regulations. The obstacles encountered by National Cement are on the list of “Top 10 Job-Destroying Regulations” identified in Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s (R-VA) August 29 memo outlining the legislative agenda for the remainder of the year.

    Rock Katschnig is a corn and soybean farmer of 32 years from Prophetstown, IL. Hurt by a stream of harmful federal regulations, Katschnig appealed to President Obama at an Atkinson, IL town hall last month, pleading, “Please don’t challenge us with more rules and regulations from Washington D.C. that hinder us.” The president replied, “Don’t always believe what you hear.” Despite President Obama’s statement, one proposed regulation on “particulate matter” (dust) would devastate Katschnig’s industry and destroy many farming jobs. The obstacles encountered by Mr. Katschnig are on the list of “Top 10 Job-Destroying Regulations” identified in Majority Leader Eric Cantor’s (R-VA) August 29 memo outlining the legislative agenda for the remainder of the year.

    Eric Treiber is the CEO of Chicago White Metal Casting, a third-generation family-owned die casting company employing 250 workers in suburban Chicago. Jobs at White Metal Casting are being threatened by increased costs associated with excessive federal regulations, in particular Clean Air Act and utility MACT regulations. White Metal Casting has also been forced to dedicate multiple employees to the task of complying with existing federal regulations.

    Lisa Ingram is the COO of White Castle, a 90-year old family-run company that serves signature “slider” hamburgers. Excessive federal regulations – current and proposed – have put a strain on White Castle, contributing to a plant closure in New Jersey and slowing the company’s ability to create new jobs. The new health care law, for example, has not only jeopardized White Castle’s ability to provide health benefits to its employees, but one provision alone could increase costs so dramatically that it would destroy hundreds of jobs.

    Jim Plante is CEO of Pathway Genomics, a 100-person San Diego-based biotech startup that developed a genetic testing product for consumers. Last year, Pathway partnered with a major drugstore chain to help market their product – a move that would have enabled Pathway to hire 100 additional workers. Despite being in compliance with all available FDA regulations, the FDA attacked Pathway in the media following the announcement of the partnership. The drugstore chain consequently backed out, and Pathway was unable to create those 100 new high-paying jobs.

    Ignacio Urrabazo is president of Commerce Bank of Laredo, Texas, a small community bank with $450 million in assets. Urrabazo would like to lend more money to local businesses to help create more jobs in Laredo, a border community with an unemployment rate nearly 10 percent higher than the state of Texas as a whole. Unfortunately, current FDIC regulations have kept him from lending to qualified businesses. Urrabazo believes excessive federal regulations will soon put community banks out of business.

    John “Jack” Earle is the Managing Partner of Earle Enterprises LP and is a multi-unit franchisee of McDonald’s restaurants in Southeastern Pennsylvania and Southern New Jersey. Mr. Earle also serves as the Chairman of the International Franchise Association. Excessive regulations imposed by the health care law and Dodd-Frank, the ongoing threat of tax hikes, and regulatory overreach by agencies like NLRB, have hamstrung Earle and other franchisers with uncertainty and stifled their ability to create new jobs.

    Glenn Rieger is a General Partner at NewSpring Capital, a private equity fund in suburban Philadelphia that provides capital for growth and expansion-stage businesses. A lead investor in more than 50 mid-Atlantic businesses of all sizes, NewSpring’s ability to support job creators is being hampered by excessive regulations from Sarbanes-Oxley, which is costing them millions of dollars annually.

    Safi Bahcall is the CEO of Synta, a biopharmaceutical company focused on creating new drugs for treating cancer. Hampered by an increasingly uncompetitive American business environment, Bahcall is advocating for the research and development tax credit to be made permanent. More favorable tax incentives in France and Canada have encouraged Synta to out-source work to Canada and the company is currently weighing the potential of moving American jobs to France.

    Kaleil Isaza Tuzman is the CEO of KIT Digital, a 1,200-employee publicly traded video technology company. KIT faces considerable costs as a result of Sarbanes-Oxley compliance regulations. A first generation American with Colombian heritage and fluent in Spanish, Isaza Tuzman was a U.S. special trade representative in Colombia and Mexico under the Clinton and Bush administrations, and is a strong proponent of passing the U.S. -Colombian Free Trade Agreement that the president has yet to submit to Congress.

    Chris George is the CEO of CMG Finance, a mortgage company in the San Francisco Bay area employing 370 people. Hurt by increased health care costs and higher taxes from the new health care law, CMG Finance says the uncertain business environment created by the Obama Administration is preventing them from hiring an additional 15 to 20 workers.

    Henry Juszkiewicz is CEO of the Gibson Guitar Company. Armed federal agents have twice raided Gibson Guitar’s facilities. Why? Unelected Washington bureaucrats won’t say. No charges have been filed and federal regulators have not explained to the company what may have been done wrong or how to rectify the situation.

    Gordon Logan is CEO of Sport Clips, a hair salon chain with over 800 stores. If not for the environment of uncertainty created by Washington, Logan estimates he would have opened 50-100 new stores over the past three years. Instead of hiring new workers, Sports Clips franchise owners are struggling with the new health care law’s burdensome costs and mandates, and considering canceling existing health coverage for current employees. Logan also struggles with access to capital, complicated by government-created uncertainty.

    The Speaker’s guests are all employers who have run into unnecessary Washington-made barriers as they’ve tried to create jobs – barriers that will be addressed by legislation scheduled for action in the House this fall as part of the House Republican Plan for America’s Job Creators.

    ………………………

    Obama’s being faced with real job makers, he aint gonna be happy. Its like a court with Obama in the dock faced with a jury of jobmakers.

  104. Carol
    September 8th, 2011 at 9:48 am
    I don’t believe Perry can beat Obama. Americans love SS and some of Perry’s ideas are just to scary for mainstream America. They will not vote or stick with the boob.

    I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Most younger people realize that SS with no fixes or changes is doomed. Many older people do as well. So long as Perry insists that those at or near retirement will see NO changes, and any changes will be for future recipients, it may go over better than you think.

    I personally do not know a single person under 35 who thinks SS is going to be there for them. They’d rather restructure the program than get nothing at all.

  105. moononpluto September 8th, 2011 at 10:25 am: “roads and bridges”
    ——————-
    WX from Irene through today has upstaged whatever infrastructure plans he might have proposed; East Coast has plenty of work now, and northern section of it needs to be completed ahead of winter. 😉

  106. Solyndra bankruptcy fallout continues: House Republicans widen probe (WH gonna be subpoened)

    U.S. Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-FL), a senior member of the Energy & Commerce Committee, says House Republicans are widening their probe of the Obama administration’s loan guarantee to solar manufacturer Solyndra, which plans to file for bankruptcy.

    In an interview with energyNOW! correspondent Lee Patrick Sullivan, Stearns says the committee is investigating loan guarantees provided to other clean-energy companies besides Solyndra. Stearns also says the committee is demanding documents from the White House about Solyndra, and may issue a subpoena to get them.

    Stearns is the chairman of the House energy panel’s Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

    http://www.energynow.com/video/2011/09/03/solyndra-bankruptcy-fallout

  107. Kerry: “We cant fix our budget without fixing jobs and we cant fix jobs without fixing our budget.”

    No shit Sherlock Holmes.

  108. Breaking

    FBI raiding and searching Solyndra, solar panel maker that received millions in loan guarantees from US before abruptly closing

  109. Perry vs. Paul: A Texas-sized war
    Off-camera confrontation captures tension

    By Stephen Dinan, The Washington Times

    “…Mr. Perry walked over Mr. Paul’s lectern, took hold of the congressman’s wrist and wagged his finger at him.”

    This writer says this was going on during the breaks, there are some still photos on Drudge I can’t copy and paste them here but the look on Perry’s face is frightening compared with his “Ah shucks” peak out of the top of his eyes campaign look.

    This reminds me of when, during the primary Obama called the governor of, was it PA, and told him not to hurt him because he was going to be the nominee.

  110. SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the assistant secretaries of the regional bureaus, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    10:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with newly credentialed Libyan Ambassador Aujali, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    12:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton officiates the swearing-in ceremony for Deputy Secretary Bill Burns, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    2:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Afghan National Security Advisor Rangin Dadfar Spanta, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEDING MEETING)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 1:15 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 1:45 p.m. from the 23rd Street Entrance.

    3:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton officiates the swearing-in ceremony for Ambassador-designate to Paraguay James Thessin, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    4:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton and Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius hold refugee consultations with Members of the House of Representatives, on Capitol Hill.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY HOUSE)

    5:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton and Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius hold refugee consultations with Members of the Senate, on Capitol Hill.
    (MEDIA DETERMINED BY SENATE)

    7:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends President Obama’s address to a Joint Session of Congress

  111. jbstonesfan
    September 8th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    -8.2 RCP. How much of a bump do you think he will get from tonight’s speech?
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    Does it really matter, any blip he gets is over before the ink drys on the morning paper.

  112. Lee update: Estimated 70,000 ordered to evacuate along the Susquehanna in NE Pennsylvania – AP

    Thats a lot of movement.

  113. Here’s that poll on the debate last night. Wonder if Ron Paul will still be kept in the closet by the media on both sides?

    Results with 997 short comments
    Total of 156,407 votes – click on the “Display Comments” bar below to sort comments

    Ron Paul
    52.2%
    (81,721 votes)

    Mitt Romney
    16.4%
    (25,655 votes)

    Rick Perry
    13.7%
    (21,488 votes)

    Jon Huntsman
    6.7%
    (10,547 votes)

    Newt Gingrich
    4.6%
    (7,136 votes)

    Herman Cain
    3.3%
    (5,090 votes)

    Michele Bachmann
    2.1%
    (3,213 votes)

    Rick Santorum
    1%
    (1,557 votes)

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

    Makes me wonder about this poll being on MSNBC…

    Ron Paul does not attack women’s health rights,
    – does not support entering into wars to over though governments
    – does not support gov. interference into people’s rights, allows states more power over – their own circumstances, ie: illegal stuff

    How many Republican’s alone voted in this poll and how many of them are Independents or centrists?

  114. That’s not a poll ShadowFax. It measure’s nothing other than how many clicks Ron Paul supporters were willing to execute to show their approval of him.

  115. DCCC conceding NV-2, panicking in NY-9? Possible GOP sweep on Tuesday’s special elections?

    A late August poll from Democrat firm Public Policy Polling put Amodei ahead by only one, but there are signs that Washington Democrats are giving up: “The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s investment has been limited to a few field staffers dispatched from Washington. In truth, the party has all but given up on winning; early-voting numbers show a sluggish Democratic turnout, suggesting that Amodei is en route to a big win.”

    The two districts are mirror-images of each other, in that Nevada’s is an R+5 while New York’s 9th Congressional District, the district once represented by the infamous Anthony Weiner, is D+5 in the Cook Partisan Voting Index. But Democrats seem nervous about the chances of their nominee David Weprin, who’s apparently barely head of GOP candidate Bob Turner. For what it is worth, a poll of 2,055 likely voters by Magellan Strategies shows Turner with a four-point lead over Weprin. Patrick Brennan, NRO’s 2011 William F. Buckley fellow, laid out why Turner could be “the Scott Brown of Queens” here.

    Most notably, the latest move from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee indicates a serious sign of panic: They’re making a last-minute $483,500 TV ad buy in the district, starting tomorrow through Monday.

    Redistricting will force New York to lose a congressional seat in the 2012 elections, and so it’s possible that the winner of this special election will find himself running against an incumbent next November.

    It’s worth noting that special election victories don’t always foreshadow the trend of the following elections; Democrats enjoyed special election wins by Scott Murphy and Bill Owens in New York, Ted Deutch in Florida and Mark Critz in Pennsylvania in 2009 and 2010 before getting thrashed in the 2010 midterms; the GOP won a special elections with John Campbell and Brian Bilbray in California in 2005 and 2006, and then went on to lose the House and Senate in 2006. But a GOP sweep on Tuesday would help set the conventional wisdom that 2012 was shaping up to be a tremendously difficult year for the Democrats.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/276662/dccc-conceding-nv-2-panicking-about-ny-9

  116. The thing is… once he has the power he abuses it. No one can forget him shutting down Congress and losing the battle with BC.

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    Right. Maybe he’s speaking well because he has nothing to lose.

  117. Overthrow… (sorry)

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    Blow –
    That is a possibility, but if Paul has the youth support, the Independents or any other large group, then how is that any different than any other group of supporters?

    I just wonder if the multiple voting is any different than what was done for Barry in polls or how many votes are from voting Republicans? Paul has taken many polls, so it isn’t just MSNBC.

  118. Jay Leno: “•President Obama will give a big speech on job preservation — I mean job creation.”

    ROFL

  119. Perry says more “boots on the ground” and predator drones can secure the border.

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    Predator drones? Shooting the boots on the ground?

  120. Hmmmmm

    The scrap between Rick Perry and Mitt Romney may have gotten more attention in Wednesday’s presidential candidates debate, but it was tame compared to the dust-up between Mr. Perry and Rep. Ron Paul, two Texans who apparently have spent plenty of time digging up dirt on each other and aren’t afraid to use it.

    At one point when the video cameras weren’t rolling — though the incident was caught by still photographers — Mr. Perry walked over Mr. Paul’s lectern, took hold of the congressman’s wrist and wagged his finger at him.

    The physical exchange was matched by the intensity of the two men’s verbal attacks on each other.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/8/perry-vs-paul-texas-sized-war/

  121. The Obama administration had hoped to get Solyndra executives to sit next to Michelle Obama tonight, but they’re currently on the lam.

  122. Jeff Immelt, Richard Trumka among guests to sit in Michele Obama’s box for tonight’s speech.

    Vast difference to the job creators in Boehners box.

  123. jbstonesfan

    We are going to have to watch Congress give her a standing ovation?
    ———
    If they don’t, she will shoot out the cameras with her evil eye. 😉

  124. Very good points here. This is the answer to people who call Hillary a hypocrit for wanting to intervene in some countries but not in others. (And HIllary mentioned some of this herself, eg support from the Arab League.)

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    The Libya model is no guide for the future because such a unique set of circumstances in favor of military action is not likely to happen again.

    Think about the conditions: A despised dictator threatened mass murder; an open desert provided a decisive advantage for air power; a rebel army on the ground sought democratic change and espoused Western values; the UN at least loosely endorsed NATO air operations; the Arab League called for the West to intervene militarily in an Arab country; and U.S. allies prepared to do all the heavy lifting.
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-07/hillary-clinton-deserves-credit-for-u-s-role-in-libya-view.html

  125. Shadowfax
    September 8th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    Overthrow… (sorry)

    ———

    Blow –
    That is a possibility, but if Paul has the youth support, the Independents or any other large group, then how is that any different than any other group of supporters?

    I just wonder if the multiple voting is any different than what was done for Barry in polls or how many votes are from voting Republicans? Paul has taken many polls, so it isn’t just MSNBC.
    _______________________________________

    Well, that’s just not a poll. Anything that allows the registration of responses other than from people who were chosen at random with a sampling model as a guideline can’t be said to be generalizable to the population from which the sample was taken.

    You know the bell curve? Any measure of anything will have an area where, I don’t know (been 30 years since statistics classes), 90% will fall within two extremes. Sampling holds that if you pull a statistically valid # of respondents, it will necessarily reflect the larger population. When you see +/- some %, that is the sampling error. But in order to be valid, it has to be chosen at random. Now, you can weight sampling, which most true political polls try to do, by limiting the universe to “registered voters”, and sampling proportionate random respondents to reflect, well, anything really, but typicallly, it’s weighted a certain % for GOP affiliation, DEM affiliation or no affiliation.

    All I’m saying is that in order to generalize the results of any responses from a sample to the general population (which is what a poll is designed to do), it can’t just be wide open like internet websites asking “what do you think”? There are huge biases present, like you mention in your post, that there is simply no way to account for. Therefore, they are totally useless for measuring anything. There may be a Ron Paul website or e-mail chain out there that said “go to MSNBC and vote for RON!”, and 1,000 people clicked 150 times each on ron paul. The “results” in those measures are just meaningless.

  126. “Rick Perry has not won elections in Texas because he is loved,” said Castellanos. “He has won because he sticks a fork in his opponent’s eyeballs.”

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    Good thing Castellanos isn’t Hoffa.

  127. I personally do not know a single person under 35 who thinks SS is going to be there for them. They’d rather restructure the program than get nothing at all.

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    When I was under 35, I thought SS wouldn’t be here, but it is, and with a big surplus — in bonds which the GOP wants to default on.

    I bet the current under-35s just think they’ll be able to stop paying SS taxes. Like they thought killing bin Laden would mean the war was over.

  128. Blow –
    Then by your definition, all ‘polls’ for anyone on the net is unreliable.

    I always wondered about the polls taken by different groups over the phone. I have been a registered Dem since Robert Kennedy and have NEVER been called, nor do I know of anyone in my world who has. Do they call the same folks, which folks?

    I am just curious and thinking out loud.

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    Don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to push Paul on anyone by posting some of these links, but I am very curious about his way of thinking and not fond of his being taken as a crackpot. He sounds very intelligent to me and I am wondering why the media is keeping him in the closet.

  129. He sounds very intelligent to me and I am wondering why the media is keeping him in the closet.

    ==================

    Maybe the first part of your sentence answers the second part. 😉

  130. Shadowfax
    September 8th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    Blow –
    Then by your definition, all ‘polls’ for anyone on the net is unreliable.

    I always wondered about the polls taken by different groups over the phone. I have been a registered Dem since Robert Kennedy and have NEVER been called, nor do I know of anyone in my world who has. Do they call the same folks, which folks?

    I am just curious and thinking out loud.

    ——-
    Don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to push Paul on anyone by posting some of these links, but I am very curious about his way of thinking and not fond of his being taken as a crackpot. He sounds very intelligent to me and I am wondering why the media is keeping him in the closet.
    _________________________________

    internet – polls – correct. That’s not to say that a legitimate poll couldn’t use the internet to collect their responses, but it would have to be set up as something accessible only to the specific people chosen to participate in the poll.

    I’ve never been called on a political poll and if anyone I know has been called, I’m unaware of it.

    – Paul – I really haven’t paid a lot of attention to him because he seems to be at the extreme end of libertarianism. As with Dems and GOP, I dislike ideologues, regardless of flavor. One think he has said I do agree with is his insistance upon auditing the federal reserve.

  131. Some internet polls are more reliable than others, depending on what you want to measure. Some have a security feature so that any one computer can only vote once. Others are limited to users already registered at the site for a long time.

    If tech savvy and dedication are some of the factors you want to measure, then even results from gaming those security sites may give good info.

  132. jbstonesfan
    September 8th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    The sooner Ron Paul is out, the better. A distraction with thankfully no chance of being elected.
    ——-
    This way of thinking is exactly why I am investigating Paul further. He is running for President, he has supporters and is looked at as a distraction…hidden by the media just because he doesn’t fit into either major party. Or doesn’t fit because he is too old. Or doesn’t fit because he is really talking about the Gov. regulation getting out of our lives and letting the states handle it or businesses handle it.

    He is a threat and should be pushed out, therefore, I pay attention to why is he so marginalized.

    He is no more a distraction that anyone else that is running, you may not like him, that’s fine…I don’t want any of these candidates, but that’s the way our elections work. If no one great runs, then we have to pick the best of the folks running or give up our vote so everyone else can determine the winner.

  133. TDO,
    Unless there is sampling with random selection of the participants, they are useless as a measure of anything other than who went to the particular website and felt motivated enough to click on a button.

  134. It may be a popcorn night after Ubama’s TOTUS reading and the spin wars start on the networks…same old stuff.
    —–

    White House releases talking points to liberals ahead of speech

    The teleprompter script for tonight’s speech by President Barack Obama is still a secret, but the White House’s script for spinning reporters, bloggers, and their audiences has been leaked to The Daily Caller.

    White House officials distributed a set of talking points early Thursday to guide Democratic legislators and advocacy groups who will be filling up the airwaves, Internet message boards and printing presses before and after Obama’s speech tonight to a joint session of Congress.

    The talking points repeat Obama’s favored campaign-trail themes, depicting the economy as a victim of President George W. Bush; the Republicans as unpatriotic and greedy partisans; and Obama as an optimistic, fair-minded, reformist, bipartisan, fiscal moderate.

    Republicans spinners will likely disagree tonight with all of those depictions, and follow their own poll-tested script. Over the last few weeks, for example, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor has been working hard to shift the GOP’s message towards job creation rather than deficit-cutting. (RELATED: Boehner: Most Americans would choose pigskin over the president)

    The White House’s pre-speech spin ramped up this morning when Carney appeared on morning TV shows to announce that the president’s package of proposals will be collectively titled “The Americans Jobs Act.”

    The talking points begin with the claim that Obama’s proposals are “based on bi-partisan ideas” and “fully paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes and asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.”

    The GOP will likely insist that this is a poll-tested euphemism for a tax hike on business owners.

    Obama has very little time to spur the nation’s huge but stalled economy sufficiently for the public change their unfavorable impression of him before November 2012, so the talking points also urge liberal talking heads to claim his proposals will have swift benefits — “an impact on job and economic growth NOW — just as soon as Congress acts.”

    To downplay any impression that Obama is acting in a partisan fashion, the script also declares that all of Congress — not just Republicans — is at fault. “Every day, people in this country are working hard to meet their responsibilities. The question now is whether Washington will meet theirs … The time for obstruction and gridlock is over. Congress needs to put country ahead of politics,” say the talking points.

    The “country ahead of politics” claim has appeared in many of Obama’s speeches. The phrase suggests that GOP legislators and allies are unpatriotic, and is a notable turnaround from President George W. Bush’s tenure, when many Democrats claimed that their Republican critics were illegitimately questioning Democrats’ patriotism.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/08/white-house-releases-talking-points-to-liberals-ahead-of-speech/#ixzz1XOo9VBoP

  135. This is too funny…

    Lagerfeld doesn’t love Michelle Obama’s clothes

    First lady Michelle Obama’s wardrobe hasn’t earned Karl Lagerfeld’s seal of approval.

    Though the Chanel designer is a fan of the first lady, he doesn’t seem too impressed with her sense of style.

    “I love Madame Obama, but not in terms of clothes,” Lagerfeld recently told USA Today. “I like her face, the cleverness of her face. Her face is stronger than the clothes.”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/0911/Lagerfeld_doesnt_love_Michelle_Obamas_clothes.html?showall

    What does he have against PepBoys?

  136. BREAKING: Obama to propose $450B jobs plan (via @AP)

    So yesterday it was 300, this morning it was 400, now its 450, up and up and up.

  137. The oracle jbstonesfan spoketh on September 8th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    “The sooner Ron Paul is out, the better. A distraction with thankfully no chance of being elected.”

    From past experience the nastier a candidate is treated the more likely that candidate is an AGENT OF CHANGE. Whom people like you, for what ever reason, fear or perhaps are paid to voice fear.

    I believe what John Smart said, Obama was used to block the AGENT OF CHANGE in 2008 and will again in 2012, so that either he (Obama) or Perry can win. Perry is not an agent of change, Hillary and Sarah Palin are, as is Trump, and I guess Ron Paul.

  138. Freakin’ Baracko just sent this email with a big, red DONATE button below it.

    Friend —

    I’m about to head to the Capitol to ask Congress to act on my plan to put Americans back to work.

    Before I do, I wanted to write you directly to remind you that the fight to create jobs — and provide the kind of economic security for middle-class families that’s been slipping away over the last decade — won’t begin or end with the speech I give tonight.

    What happens will be up to you. In the coming days and weeks, it will be up to you to pressure Congress to act — or hold them accountable if they do not.

    If you’re with me, let me know. And the campaign will make sure you are looped into our efforts to support this plan.

    Talk to you soon,

    Barack

    ———

    Buzz off Barack!

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