Manchild In The Embarrassed Land – Enough Is Enough

Expect to see Barack Obama’s swollen manboobs any day now. He might even begin to lactate. It didn’t happen at today’s latest publicity stunt press conference designed to allow Obama to pretend he is on the job and frighten Republicans with the visibility of the bully pulpit, but it might happen soon. All we got today was more lies.

Remember when Barack Obama said about Hillary Clinton “...Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks…” Well, Barack Obama must be on Estrogen. We know he has not hit on Michelle’s Shake Shack Testosterone stock.

After we wrote about Obama “…no one believes you are man or woman enough...” Barack has decided to prove us wrong by throwing some sort of temper tantrum or hissy fit or breath holding foot-stomping Estrogen induced scream of “enough is enough”. His manicured “claws start coming out“.

This week the walking man boob reportedly walked out in a hissy fit from a meeting, while muttering what now has to be considered the theme song for the 2012 election cycle.



“I always dreamed I’d found the perfect lover
But he turned out to be like every other man
I’ve loved… [snip]

If you’ve had enough, don’t put up with his stuff, don’t you do it

If you’ve had your fill, get the check pay the bill, you can do it

Tell him to just get out,

Nothing left to talk about

Pack his raincoat show him out

Just look him in the eye and simply shout:
Enough is enough
I can’t go on, I can’t go on no more no
Enough is enough
I want him out, I want him out that door now

As the song says “I’ve had it, you’ve had it, she’s had it, we’ve had it… I want him out, I want him out that door now.” Enough is Enough, indeed.

Time was when a lot of fools thought they had found the perfect lover. But, it turned out it was not the promised land and that Obama was only a misogynistic man child in a now fully embarrassed land.

Remember when Andrew Sullivan licked Obama’s parts and said it was “Obama’s face” that would save America. Oh how those Muslims and Arabs would love America if only Obama was president. The shameless Andrew Sullivan and an embarrassed America now see the results of electing a manboob: boobery. The “U.S. favorable rating in Arab world now lower than during Bush era“.

Recall little Ezra Klein fondling Obama’s private parts and (really, truly, he did write this) wrote “He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh, over color, over despair.” Little Ezra and milky Sullivan have company in the shamelessness annals with this recent entry:

“…can we just enjoy Obama for a moment? Before the policy choices have to be weighed and the hard decisions have to be made, can we just take a month or two to contemplate him the way we might contemplate a painting by Vermeer or a guitar lick by the early-seventies Rolling Stones or a Peyton Manning pass or any other astounding, ecstatic human achievement? Because twenty years from now, we’re going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of 2011 is the summer of Obama.”

“From triumph to triumph”? “The summer of Obama”? “GLORIOUS IDYLL????” More like the summer of despair and debt. As to the question of whether Obama actually injects Estrogen, according to John Boehner it’s “Jello” swishing through Obama’s veins.

In this “glorious idyll” summer what we see is Obama has his priorities right where they have always been: himself. It’s not the debt deadline Obama is worried about, it is his birthday fundraising:

“Oh boy, this is going to look bad.

The Republicans may not realize it, but they have an extra point of leverage in the debt ceiling talks: Barack Obama’s birthday.

It’s on Aug. 4. The president is turning 50. He’s decided to have a quiet celebration with family and a few close friends.

NOT.

Instead, the president is planning an extravagant fundraising bash Aug. 3 at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago, including a birthday concert teeming with celebrities and – for couples contributing $35,800 – a private dinner with the president. All this just one day after the government is scheduled to run out of cash!

What a glorious summer spectacle that will be. It’s that brilliant Obama campaign style and messaging that only works as long as the JournoListers are hard at work under the tutelage of their little Ezra. The JournoListers Big Media will somehow color this awkward fundraiser as idyllic and Obama’s lack of basic English knowledge as the multi-dimensional chess of a master brain.

But what kind of person other than a manboob filled with Jello would declare “This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this” while in the same breath the “this” is undercut by Obama who describes his words as a self admitted “bluff”. What? Perhaps English is not his mother tongue and Obama does not realize that when he squeals to Eric Cantor ““Eric, don’t call my bluff” he is not scaring anyone because we know the meaning of the word “bluff“.

The impetus for the “bluff” was the contradictory, or is is contracting, numbers:

“Over the last several days the White House has been walking back the savings on the Biden number. Thursday it was $2 trillion, Monday it was $1.7-1.8 trillion, Tuesday it was $1.6-1.7-1.8 trillion. This morning our staff met with White House folks and the wrapup from that meeting said that the WH is now at $1.5 trillion.”

The bluffs, the press conference publicity stunts, the hissy fits have all come to naught as the House Republicans have announced they are taking our advice and voting on a short term bill.

We warned Republicans not to trust Obama on anything. We suggested they do short term debt extensions if they want to be able to hold Obama accountable and measure whether their goals are being met every few months. That advice is so commonsensical it immediately gained traction from Republicans and resistance from hypocrite birthday boy manboob:

“Simple question: If, as the White House insists, hitting the debt ceiling would be the economic equivalent of an asteroid hitting the Earth, and if the only way to avoid that (i.e. the only way to get something through the House) is with a scaled-down bill that would raise the ceiling only until mid-2012, why isn’t the Lightbringer okay with that? Granted, it would mean he’d have to face another asteroid next year in the middle of the campaign, but so what? How is that a reason to let this asteroid hit right now?

To put it another way, is there any policy reason why Obama won’t agree to a short-term deal or is this really as horribly cynical as it looks — that he simply refuses to do anything that might complicate his reelection campaign, even if that means a default by the United States? Jake Tapper pressed Carney about that in today’s briefing — which is worse, default or a short-term deal? — and Carney actually said, no joke, “Both are bad; I can’t choose which is worse for you.” In a sane world, that answer would shatter the White House narrative that hitting the ceiling is an avoid-at-all-costs risk since, evidently, the Perpetual Campaigner thinks another slugfest over this next year is a greater risk than defaulting now would be.”

Can Obama possibly be that cynical? Obama’s 2008 campaign commercial called “Mother”:


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“This is really disturbing. What kind of a man does this?

Driven by ambition, Barack Obama used his dying mother as a prop for one of his final campaign ads.

Now we find out that it was all a lie.

Obama lied about his mother’s stuggles with insurance companies to get elected. He lied about her insurance situation to ram through Obamacare. None of it was true.”

None of it was true, just another lie from a Chicago flim-flam manboob who was protected and coddled by Big Media and the JournoLister shock troops.

Big Media and the Obama worshipers turned away from any examination of a person no one knew. A family that consisted of a runaway mother, the Rocketeer Chocolatier, who dumped her child while she chased through the world for third world men; and a sperm donor fat little Barry/Barack adored who was a sociopath loser.



From that unexamined corrupt fertilizer a corrupt, twisted manchild – aided and abetted by stunted Big Boy Bloggers and a powerful Big Media – acquired vast power. And America is embarrassed at best, circling the drain, at worst. November 2012 cannot come fast enough.

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540 thoughts on “Manchild In The Embarrassed Land – Enough Is Enough

  1. I thought that Obama wanted a long term debt solution so it would not interfer with his campaigning, collection of campaign funds, and his gulf game!

  2. This “summer of Obama” might be familiar to those who lived through the “summer of sam”.

    Friday video: Psycho Killer

  3. Headline on Drudge: “Obama: 80% of Americans want tax increases”. LOL, where is he getting that from???

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    From the 80% who want tax increases ON THE 20%

    (No, I haven’t checked the claimed 80%.)

  4. xposting a comment I made at crayfisher:

    It just occurred to me that gutting Social Security is to Obama what invading Iraq is to W.
    Remember 2001: Bunch of mostly Saudi terrorists based in Afghanistan attack the USA and W uses this to justify attacking Iraq. Never made any sense.
    2011: The national deficit reaches epic proportions, USA risks losing AAA rating status, and BO is using this to justify a self-funding trust that has nothing to do with the deficit.

  5. Today is the day Obama proved he has lost the plot.

    80% want tax increases, i’m just laughing and turkeys vote for xmas.

  6. POTUS said “I’ll be turning 50 in a week.” Actually in 3 weeks. Not so good on the birthdays, the president.

    …………okay then, there is something definitely wrong in his cognitive process.

  7. Before I even finish reading your great post Admin, I have to give you KUDOS for your song choice, ‘No more tears.”

    It is the song I pull out, crank up to full blast and dance around the house when I am in the worst part of a breakup. I used it to get though a divorce and later with another 20 year relationship ending.

    It really takes you from sorrow to anger and courage like nothing else. Leaping though the stages of grief.

    It should be one of Big Pinks theme songs. 🙂

    Thanks for reminding me of it.

  8. I pity Boehner and Cantor and the rest trying to deal with the manchild on this, they must feel like they want to bang their heads off the table, I’d be ready to cut my wrists.

    Sorry but you would want to come out of there and have a chemical scrub.

  9. Other than Obama as manchild the most obvious “news” of the day:

    http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=229493

    6 in 10 Palestinians reject 2-state solution, survey finds

    73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with ‘hadith’ quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.

    Only one in three Palestinians (34 percent) accepts two states for two peoples as the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, according to an intensive, face-to-face survey in Arabic of 1,010 Palestinian adults in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip completed this week by American pollster Stanley Greenberg.

    The poll, which has a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, was conducted in partnership with the Beit Sahour-based Palestinian Center for Public Opinion and sponsored by the Israel Project, an international nonprofit organization that provides journalists and leaders with information about the Middle East.

    The Israel Project is trying to reach out to the Arab world to promote “people-to-people peace.” The poll appears to indicate that the organization has a difficult task ahead.

    Respondents were asked about US President Barack Obama’s statement that “there should be two states: Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people and Israel as the homeland for the Jewish people.”

    Just 34% said they accepted that concept, while 61% rejected it.

    Sixty-six percent said the Palestinians’ real goal should be to start with a two-state solution but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.

    Asked about the fate of Jerusalem, 92% said it should be the capital of Palestine, 1% said the capital of Israel, 3% the capital of both, and 4% a neutral international city.

    Seventy-two percent backed denying the thousands of years of Jewish history in Jerusalem, 62% supported kidnapping IDF soldiers and holding them hostage, and 53% were in favor or teaching songs about hating Jews in Palestinian schools.

    When given a quote from the Hamas Charter about the need for battalions from the Arab and Islamic world to defeat the Jews, 80% agreed. Seventy-three percent agreed with a quote from the charter (and a hadith, or tradition ascribed to the prophet Muhammad) about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones and trees.

    But only 45% said they believed in the charter’s statement that the only solution to the Palestinian problem was jihad.

    The survey’s more positive findings included that only 22% supported firing rockets at Israeli cities and citizens and that two-thirds preferred diplomatic engagement over violent “resistance.”

    Among Palestinians in general 65% preferred talks and 20% violence. In the West Bank it was 69-28%, and in Gaza, 59- 32%.

    Asked whether they backed seeking a Palestinian state unilaterally in the UN, 64% said yes. The number was 57% in the West Bank and 79% in Gaza. Thirty-seven percent said the UN action would bring a Palestinian state closer, 16% said it would set back the establishment of a state, and 44% said it would make no difference.

    When asked what Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s top priorities should be, 83% said creating jobs. Just 4% said getting the UN to recognize a Palestinian state, and only 2% said peace talks with Israel.

  10. Shadowfax, there is always this (on disco Friday 🙂 )

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    I was looking at that one earlier Admin and was trying to find a good version by Donna Summers. 😉

    I can almost see those disco lights in the floor, pulsing to the beat.

    Happy Friday Admin and Big Pinkers.

    We may as well party before Baracko has the lights shut off.

  11. …………okay then, there is something definitely wrong in his cognitive process.

    That’s what I think too. More reason to fear a 2nd term when he really falls to pieces. *shuder*

  12. CHICAGO (WLS) – A progressive activist group sent a clear message to President Barack Obama – if he lays a finger on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security, his base will abandon him.

    Members of the grassroots organization Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) protested Friday outside Chicago’s Prudential Building, home of Obama’s national campaign headquarters.

    The group, comprised of liberal Democrats who fundraised and volunteered for Obama in 2008, delivered over 200,000 signed pledges refusing to donate any resources to Obama’s re-election campaign should he consent to making cuts to the federal entitlement programs.

    The group delivered the stack of pledges to Ann Marie Habershaw who is the Chief Operating Officer at Obama for America.

    Chicagoan Donna Conroy, who signed the pledge, was surprised after delivering them to Habershaw, “I was shocked that she was so cold. She wasn’t even cordial and I’m hoping that the media can convey our message because she didn’t have the opportunity to stay and hear it from us, convey the message to President Obama.”

    “I was a bit disappointed that the campaign really didn’t have a comment for us,” said Jan Bees, 52, from Elmhurst. “I’m hopeful that they will take the petitions back to the President and that we’ll see some action but at this moment, we really did not get a response or any sort of response.”

    Donors who signed the pledge contributed over $17 million and 2.6 million volunteer hours to Obama’s 2008 campaign, according to a PCCC press release.

    PCCC press secretary Neil Sroka says that while the vast majority of the people it represents will still vote for Obama in 2012, the time and resources they committed towards his 2008 campaign are in jeopardy.

    “What we’re hoping right now is that these 200,000 signatures send the message and President Obama takes a firm stance against cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security benefits. That’s why we took this action and that’s what we’re hoping happens,” said Press Secretary for the PCCC Neil Sroka.

    Chicagoan Mary Ellen Croteau said that her family donated roughly $150 to the campaign and made numerous calls from Chicago and even went door to door in Indiana to help Obama.

    Croteau was asked if she would still vote for Obama, “No I won’t [vote for Obama]. Not if he cuts Medicare and Social Security. I’m 61. I’m looking at retirement in a few years. If this is just a giveaway on the table like everything else has been, he has lost my support completely, I’m out of here.”

  13. Looks like Hillary is done with this ObamaStration.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59076.html

    She’s in good health from yoga and exercise, but Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says she’s tired by the “merry-go-round” of public life and ready to get off it for good at the end of President Barack Obama’s first term.

    “I think that I am a pretty normal, average person, despite all of the hype,” Clinton said in an interview with the BBC conducted Thursday. “And I am very interested in spending time with my friends and my family and not being on the merry-go-round all the time.”

    That, she said, is why she plans to “move on and return to private life at the end of what will be a very intense period of activity and work in the next 18 months.”

  14. “PCCC press secretary Neil Sroka says that while the vast majority of the people it represents will still vote for Obama in 2012, the time and resources they committed towards his 2008 campaign are in jeopardy….”

    And so what the hell good is the petition? Do they think Obama cares WHAT they think, or what they will do or not do when they say they will “still vote for him…?”

    Idiots.

  15. Thanks Admin!!

    The interviews are people that fell in love with Barack, and are so heartbroken…they have gone though ‘Denial’, are at the ‘Barganing’ stage, and may enter ‘Depression’ when they realize they were just a tool of BO.

  16. Norma Desmond

    What I think is important is that 200,000 Obama supporters are starting to organize against him and they all are starting to realize he was just a liar and fraud.

    What is that ‘group think’ we were talking about the other day, when people realize others feel as disgusted as they are, they come out of the closet…

  17. Norma Desmond, that is what is so pathetic about those losers. Do they really think Obama gives a damn about the paltry $11 million they allegedly raised? Do they really think that Obama gives a damn about their “volunteer hours”? They refuse to accept that they are cannon fodder and completely expendable and disposable (like little Barry was to his mum and sperm donor dad).

    These dolts will do what they did during the Obama health scam – cave in. They pose no threat. They are unfunny jokes.

  18. For J.K. Rowling to have fleshed out her characters so willfully and completely in her book series there isn’t a doubt in my mind she based the lead female character who is the brains behind the brawn on Hillary Clinton.

    If you see the similarities of the Harry Potter character Hermione Granger to our SOS Hillary Clinton thumbs up and say ah!…. I say, the fictional “Hermione” character played by Emma Watson in the Harry Potter series is based on our evergreen, respected and laudable, Hillary Clinton. She is one of a kind and the impact she has had on women has come to bear… (everyone might not see it until it is pointed out and understands how J.K. Rowling thinks…)No coincidence “H” is the commonality between the two names either…
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    Hermione Granger: The Heroine Women Have Been Waiting For

    “The early books were full of her eagerly answering question after question in class, much to the annoyance of the other characters. In the later books, that unapologetic intelligence very obviously saves Harry Potter’s life on more than one occasion.” (check)

    “…it becomes particularly obvious that Harry and Ron wouldn’t be in great shape without Hermione’s smarts, both intellectual and emotional. From the get-go, she anticipates everything the trio will need to do to survive, and packs it all into her magical purse–including a tent to shelter them while they’re on the run.” (check)

    “Essentially, without Hermione, Harry wouldn’t have been “the boy who lived.”

    The dynamic of Hermione and Harry also throws a wrench in the “men-and-women-can’t-really-be-just-friends” theory. Hermione is a partner to Harry, working intelligently alongside him, platonically. There are no “friends with benefits” illusions, and there is no sexual tension. For women seeking to be appreciated for their talents and work in tandem with men, the fictional friendship is empowering. Harry met Hermione is not “Harry met Sally,” and I like it.” (check)

    “Much more than just making it okay to be smart and nerdy, however, Hermione reaffirmed that it was okay to ruffle feathers, take a stand, and back it up with some hardcore knowledge. She would never have eaten Teri Hatcher’s burnt toast.”

    :I look forward to the day when I read the Harry Potter series to my (grand)daughter, and through Hermione’s character, instill in her the desire to take control of her own fate and never be afraid to voice an opinion or show her intelligence. I’m sure she’ll like the books. I mean, witch hats trump tiaras any day.”

    (remember the pic Hillary in the witch hat the R’s plastered everywhere ?) (check and double check)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-hibbard/hermione-granger-the-hero_b_898414.html

  19. Love the use of “No More Tears” at this point in time. But I gotta say I posted the same song during the 2008 primaries when bambi was beefing up his PA machine. If I remember correctly I also may have posted “Take a Chance on ME”
    Just wondering, do I make those songs sound gay?

  20. OT
    I spent the last three days having a mini-vacation with my brat. We went to a well known western PA park called Idlewild on Wednesday( caters to parents with kids from 3 to 12. Rides are fun even for adults but 3 ft and over can ride with someone over 42 inches so its not like standing in kiddy land and pretty cheap as 33 dollars gets you the whole day) The weather was perfect and the park was empty. Get off a ride and all we had to do was wait for the next one to stop and we were on. Went to two different state park lakes which are free but tucked away in the woods and maybe 20 people each day. Went to nearby Falling Water and dealt with only a small line. My parents went in with about 30 families to buy their own summer place(trailers with well plumbing) decades ago so I don’t know if the campgrounds are suffering but I have never seen the parks or the beaches so empty.
    The only thing that seems to be drawing a big crowd in the area is the site where when on 9/11 a plane went down. I’ve never been there and didn’t want to go. Didn’t go to ground zero until I had an interview across the street in 2005. I don’t get it. Looking at something like that holds no balm for my soul. I wish I could fathom why someone from east bum fuck would drive to the middle of nowhere to get a glimpse of a place where tragedy transpired.
    I don’t think that’s why the parks or beaches were empty. I think they were empty because the economy sucks, but I just get driving to a far off place to look at earth, but I don’t get funerals or cemetaries.

  21. WTF, do they really think this magical unicorn card still has any value?

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    Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) used the race card this afternoon to assess blame in the debt ceiling fight. Jackson Lee, a black Congresswoman, believes the disagreement over raising the debt ceiling is because of President Obama’s race.

    “I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president, only this president, only this one has received the kind attacks and disagreements and inability to work. Only this one,” Jackson Lee said on the House floor this afternoon.

    “Read between the lines.”

    “What is different about this president that should put him in a position that he should not receive the same kind of respectful treatment of when it is necessary to raise the debt limit in order to pay our bills, something required by both statute and the 14th amendment?”

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    Over used, worthless now, too bad, so sad.
    STFU

  22. only this president, only this president, only this one has received the kind attacks and disagreements and inability to work. Only this one

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    Has he got impeached for a blow job yet?

  23. “I don’t think that’s why the parks or beaches were empty. I think they were empty because the economy sucks, but I just get driving to a far off place to look at earth, but I don’t get funerals or cemetaries.”
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    I agree, henry- “It’s the economy stupid” still and always will reign as the basis for the stagnancy you see in the public psyche. The WTC site is almost finished as a Memorial to the victims of 9/11. Perhaps many who followed the story as it unfolded on tv may have known people who perished in the tragedy or may be relatives living far away and couldn’t be there for the final ceremony when the site had been cleaned up. When the site is totally completed I was told it will be done as a tribute to those no longer with us..if you think of it as something akin to the Vietnam War Memorial, it makes sense.

  24. Shadowfax
    July 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    WTF, do they really think this magical unicorn card still has any value?

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    Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) used the race card this afternoon to assess blame in the debt ceiling fight.
    ___________________

    Maxine Waters just did the same thing during the Finance hearings. She asked Bernache how many of the loans were made to minorities and could he provide a list of names to the panel. What happens, I wonder, when “white people” become the minority in the US…

  25. Jackson Lee and Waters can kiss my ass. Obama is attacked because he’s a boob, not because he’s black. And I could not care less about housing loans to minorities, either. Screwing with the underwriting standards to give special treatment to certain communities is part of what set off this financial crisis.

    The race card has been so overplayed that quite frankly, I could give a shit anymore about “the black community”. I may care about individual black persons, and will call out actual racism when I see it, but I’ll no longer lift a finger for some symbolic entity of the victimized “community”. They can talk to me about support when THEY get over race, because evidently almost everyone has except them. Most sane black people I know are fleeing that fucking plantation as fast as they can, anyway.

    It’s amazing to see the panic on faces when they realize it is no longer possible to make me feel guilty I am immune.

  26. Jackson Lee and Waters can kiss my ass.

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    Yup, these folks got away with drumming up white guilt for years with this ploy, now it doesn’t work any longer when we hold all Presidents to a certain standard.

    If you suck at being our ‘leader’, we won’t hide behind skin color guilt and we will be very verbal about it. Bush sucked and Barry sucks to high Heaven.

  27. Mrs. Smith
    I guess i was a bit stunned to see so many cars congesting the roadways to go there. My parents and brother have trailers set up in an RV camp which my mom and dad paid next to nothing for 40 years ago. Land is atop a beautiful mountain looking down on lakes. Site has zero amenities(besides the view) other than electricity and running water and just this summer wifi. Squashed in the middle of the Laurel Mountains of PA. Spent most of my summers as a child there. The beaches/lakes in the state parks are free and they were packed everyday of the week when i was a kid. Cheap cheap cheap to camp in a state park, yet the places were so close to desolate. Really sad if it’s gotten so bad that a working family of four cannot throw together 200 dollars plus 11,000 dollars in gas to travel an hour and a half away to get away from it all. Especially for kids– no way they should not embrace nature. I am so grateful for the free chance to walk through the woods and look at streams and sap but I am just as appreciative of the internet when i have to answer how streams build rivers.
    That being said near Sharpsburg( fourth plane 9/11) is Frank Loyld Wright’s Falling Water and attendence there and at the myriad of attractions in the area is down while a great number of people are visiting the site.

  28. Obama is attacked because he’s a boob, not because he’s black.
    ______________________

    Exactly- but there has to be a way to criticize his intellect without being too insulting. Like: “why won’t you show your college transcripts?” “How many subjects did you fail?”… Some one mentioned a long time ago, his college thesis is on “Communism and the need for Nuclear Weapons.” I don’t know if that was just speculation or if there is any truth to the claim.

    I mean, “experience” just isn’t enough of a slam to get anywhere with anymore. That boat has been rode to death to the point of meaningless extinction.

  29. I guess i was a bit stunned to see so many cars congesting the roadways to go there. My parents and brother have trailers set up in an RV camp which my mom and dad paid next to nothing for 40 years ago. Land is atop a beautiful mountain looking down on lakes. Site has zero amenities(besides the view) other than electricity and running water and just this summer wifi. Squashed in the middle of the Laurel Mountains of PA. Spent most of my summers as a child there.
    ______________________

    Just as you remember it henry, so should your little ‘charge’ that you care for deeply. Those are the things that stay embedded in our minds when as we grow older. (You need to take her there and often. At least a few times during the summer…) 🙂 Swimming and waterskiing with cousins- Moms and Dads cooking the evening meals- Dads and cousins taking the boat out.. supposedly to go fishing.. (the convenient getaway from all the females..)

    We did exactly the same thing every weekend with my Mom’s family. One of her brother-in-laws bought a piece of property on a lake. The first year all the males in the family spent the first summer pitching in building the house- the following year, the women were the landscape committee… I didn’t see any of it happen because we were too young to be taken and left unattended while everyone was busy with their tasks.

    We just enjoyed the finished product. A Crafsman style house trimmed in Dk. Green with natural white cedar singles. A huge wide front porch, even when it was raining we all could sit out there and play our games and enjoy the fights and the company.. It’s where I learned to roller skate. Mom came from a family of 11- so there was never a dull moment- there was always someone that wasn’t talking to someone else… so, we ignored and had a great time anyway-

  30. “Now we find out that it was all a lie.

    ——————

    He lies and lies and lies and lies.

    ——————

    “The JournoListers Big Media will somehow color this awkward fundraiser as idyllic and Obama’s lack of basic English knowledge as the multi-dimensional chess of a master brain.”

    ——————

    The lie and lie and lie and lie.

  31. yea- and if they asked Obama questions about Yemen and A-stan..
    He would bloviate something because he really doesn’t know..

  32. “It’s amazing to see the panic on faces when they realize it is no longer possible to make me feel guilty I am immune.”

    hehehehe. H4T,

    I qualified for that ‘immunity’ card decades ago when I started working in mostly AA/Hispanic schools. I didn’t give a d@mn then and I sure as he11 don’t give a d@mn now. They can all kiss my white butt.

    Many AA’s have so overplayed the race card, which was once reserved for REAL instances of injustice, that it has zero meaning or value anymore. And just wait until the hispanic population really skyrockets past the AA numbers. Now it’s just a few percentage points in difference but that is going to change real fast.

    I can’t say how that will affect white Americans, although I’m sure it will not be in a good way, but I almost can’t wait to see what happens because AA’s have brought the looming disaster upon themselves.

    At least hispanics aren’t constantly carping about racial injustice. (Except, I am sorry to say, for some Puerto Ricans.)

    Oh well. Let’s face it. The white Americans’ days are numbered unless some pushback starts happening.

    And I had been no big fan of much of white American history but year by year I have growing respect for the strong, fearless folk who settled here, despite many atrocities like the dissemination of American Indians, and diminishing respect for so-called “AA” culture.

    In fact, there IS no AA culture which presents any identifiable positive role models except for much of the traditional music as far as I can see. On that score the AA contribution had been magnificent, at least until the 21 century. Now it’s mostly garbage and I don’t even consider it music.

    Oh well, H4T, you always manage to get me on my rant box.

    And for those who think I sound racist, too bad. I have many mixed race nieces and nephews, was once practically married to an AA and worked in the music biz, a heavily AA populated field.

    My marked distaste began with BO’s selection, and not because he’s AA but because of the elevation of race over gender, the inherent disrespect of black men for women of any color, the accompanying idiotic jump-on-the-gravy-train white boy libs so eager to make their mark they are willing to destroy that which molded and sustained them, and the slew of simpering white female reporters so eager to push the poor-down-trodden-black -MAN narrative.

    While I confess I relish the thought of their ‘judgment’ day in reality, the only ones who will suffer from this awful period of America history are most Americans.

    BO, AA’s, white libs and lefties have destroyed any unity connecting us as Americans first and everything else, second.

    With the gang violence (unreported) cropping up all over the country, the Sheila-Jackson Lees and the Maxine Waters, the AA-loving liberal media which wouldn’t deign to live in real AA neighborhoods, honestly, I want to see them all go down in flames.

    Even up here in Catskill Country the racist charges have been exploited. Most recently, by a young hispanic reporter who was – you could tell by the article’s tone – just itching for a chance to use the race-baiting skills ingrained during some worthless journalism school. He did a series of articles about a couple of white kids with confederate flags on their cars at a local high school and turned it into a huge issue.

    It was disgusting.

    Too bad neither AA’s nor whites are taught about the prominent contribution made by blacks to the slave trade and the fact it would not have existed without blacks selling blacks.

  33. Mrs Smith
    I think the culture of the hard-working lower middle class guy may have gone to the wayside. My summers as a poor kid on a lake were profound. My parents don’t own a campground they bought a sliver of land in the seventies for a grand. We had no cable and often no TV at home, my rents were 15 and 19 when they got married and they had 6, but we camped and whent somewhere every summer to teach us kids something. Camping though was the best because it wasn’t just us it was a huge tribe of rude people that at heart cared about each other and it was every summer all summer long. i really don’t see how anyone but the affluent can today have their kids spend their summer at camp. Also how many borderline poor kids are going to give up an xbox for a week on the beach?

  34. Regardless of the outcome of the debt ceiling talks, be prepared for the media to declare a tremendous victory for the Fraud, due to his confident, tough, steel-spined negotiating skills in the face of stubborn, intransigent Tea-Party conservatives. You can tell already that they’re itching to start it.

    Following that, the media (and jbstonesfan) will declare that this event, and the leadership (and guts) displayed by the OBL operation, absolutely ensures a BO landslide next year.

    It’s going to be an exasperating year and a half; the weak-willed are advised to start stocking up on Maalox.

  35. Mike Marks
    Got this snippet today in an email from a cousin who is a union worker and a life-long democrat(and yes Mrs Smith we camped together every weekend)

    Hilary because you believed in her – so did I. You on the other hand knew Obama would not do a good job – I had hope. I WAS WRONG.

    Cousins who grow up almost like siblings camping on a lake DO NOT ever admit they are wrong to each other. We had sibling rivalry to the tenth power

    Lookout bambi when a Western PA union member goes so far as to say she was wrong.

  36. Mrs. Smith, honestly, I don’t think anyone at this point in our history should be concerned in the least by “criticizing his intellect without being too insulting.”

    That’s just buckling in to the race card tactics, IMHO. He and his handlers sure haven’t shied away from insulting ANYONE who doesn’t fall victim to the race tactics as being a RACIST – the current worst-person-in-the-world label.

    I say F*** them all. You started this fight and I am not going to hold back any punches in responding.

    I almost wish someone would dare call me a racist. To my face. OTOH, I deliberately moved out of what is now a racial powder keg ostensibly because of my health but subconsciously -and that was a year before the selection – because I didn’t want to be around the growing but still intangible sense of racial overload about to occur. In retrospect, I think it was instinctual – body responding to the environmental stress. Of course I can’t prove that. And maybe I’m just a FOS aging bitter misanthropic woman.

    I like living in the mostly white area where I’m located, now. Not that I’m thrilled by all the people, many of whom are, like people everywhere, small-minded, ignorant and stuck-on-themselves, but at least I am not worried about being cursed out at a grocery store, screamed at by some
    irate self-important entitled parent or having to listen to hordes of out-of-control teens on a nightly basis.

  37. Henry,

    Congrats, LOL!

    “Lookout bambi when a Western PA union member goes so far as to say she was wrong.”

    My brother (one of 5) wants, I can tell, to confess he was wrong about BO but he is an older parent with two adopted Korean kids in their teenage years and while I never talk to them I can only imagine they have been brainwashed into believing the BO mantra enforced hook, line and sinker by the public education crowd on students.

    He’s in a bind. We don’t talk politics.

  38. Henry@8:08PM:

    Let’s hope there are many, many more like your cousin. Swing state polls seem to be showing that.

  39. Mike,

    “Following that, the media (and jbstonesfan) will declare that this event, and the leadership (and guts) displayed by the OBL operation, absolutely ensures a BO landslide next year.”

    I think we are immune to that here at His44. And much as I DETEST BO, and much as I personally grind my teeth over his horrible policies, do I really think he will destroy the country if by chance he stole another term?

    No.

    And jbstonesfan, although every POV is welcomed, does not represent the majority opinion here.

    He’s actually, I think, a nice guy very concerned with BO’s horrible influence on Israel and maybe prone to a bit more hand-wringing then others. But many of us have been there, especially during the primaries.

  40. *LOUD APPLAUSE* Maybe some stupid Republicans have been reading blogs, and saw my and others’ rants and advice on pushing the Dems HARD on their refusal to even produce a budget for over two years, which they are required by LAW to do. What makes it even better is that the Dems evidently thought they’d be cute and put up a defense bill to test their resolve. Fail.

    Something highly exciting happened on the Senate floor yesterday. Ten different GOP senators took to the podium to say they’ll vote to block any and all spending bills until Senate Democrats agree to produce a budget. Better yet, they and 30 Republican colleagues backed up the talk by supporting Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) when he raised the appropriate point of order against a military appropriations bill (that passed the Republican House and has broad Republican support!) — ultimately demonstrating their ability to block the bill to underscore their fundamental seriousness about the law, which requires the Senate to produce a budget before it considers appropriations bills.

  41. Basil99/Mark Marks
    I grew up in a steel town during the Reagan era. Saw total collapse of entire lives around me. Didn’t happen in my world as it was never a question of anyone eating. Although several times from my grandmother’s little yellow Duster groceries were stolen after she took one bag in the house.(Some day I’d like to write a children’s book about saying no to Crack called my grandmother’s little yellow duster) My point is in the early eighties I was a part of a world dissolving around me. It got bad. Homes, cars gone. Big family I had and everyone chipped in. We all stuck together. Not even a choice. Family does what it can. Seems to me a big part of that is gone. Health insurance is part. I mean how can you tell your little sister not to get on some form of assistance if it is ten times better than what you would gladly pay for but you are not even allowed to buy health insurance for a kid under HIPPA?

  42. There’s been some discussion here of PA’s Laurel Highland Region, Allegheny Mountains and such. Huff, Clyde, and Black Lick are minuscule entities situated just a bit north of there. My heart is somehow forever implanted within those very small places. Ancestors of my maternal grandparents emigrated to that area in the 1770’s. I return as often as I can. Not certain why because no one is left. I just have to go.

    I guess MO has been to the 9/11 site out there, but I hope neither she nor her husband set ever set foot on my personal sacred ground.

    To counteract the melancholy tone I just established, the daughter and family are headed for Nantucket again this year. For them it is an 8 hour drive to the ferry. Last year their return trip took nearly twice as long. I’m not certain when they left to return home, but it was early morning and they sat in parking lot-like traffic for many hours, never arriving back at their home until 10 pm. At that time, they were more fond of Obama than they are now, so they did not mention that it was his return from his vacay at Martha’s Vineyard which caused an incredibly massive traffic jam with unknown thousands of people dreadfully inconvenienced.

  43. 73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with ‘hadith’ quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.

    =======================================
    That pretty much sums up Obama’s peace initiative and Arab Spring………an once Tehran gets the bomb, it’s really going to get fun.

  44. “I think the culture of the hard-working lower middle class guy may have gone to the wayside. My summers as a poor kid on a lake were profound. My parents don’t own a campground they bought a sliver of land in the seventies for a grand.”

    “Cousins who grow up almost like siblings camping on a lake DO NOT ever admit they are wrong to each other. We had sibling rivalry to the tenth power”

    Most of the cousins 6 or 8 and at times as many as 13 or 14 of them were boy cousins when families were combined – Only 4 of us were girls and we were treated like princesses. There was rivalry between the boys. During canoe races, one cousin got inventive and poked a small hole in the other’s canoe.. the perps couldn’t believe how much attention was paid to the almost drowning (not really) victims until the victims figured out the sabotage… then the chase was on- Then the parents got involved. ick-

    Building forts in the forest nearby the lakes edge. The A-Team against the Invaders…The Invaders were the neighbor kids who came over to play. Parents made sure everyone was busy if not they got put to work around the camp. No one wanted to go that route. Anyone misbehaving (called being “fresh”) had to sit out on the ‘Tree Stump of Shame’ for an hour or so… time, depending on the offense. It seemed it was always one of the same three of the boy cousins who had great familiarity with the tree stump… The rest of the cousins would dance around and mock the silly ass/es who went overboard… eating ice cream up close to them… silly but all part of the social atmosphere prevalent when we were kids…

  45. Clinton announced Friday that Washington accepts the Transitional National Council as the legitimate governing authority of the Libyan people. Diplomatic recognition of the council means that the U.S. will be able to fund the opposition with some of the more than $30 billion in Gahdafi-regime assets that are frozen in American banks.
    http://www.salon.com/news/libya/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/07/15/eu_us_libya

    =============

    And she’s wearing a hairband!

  46. holdthemaccountable
    It was I who mentioned the love of the Laurel Mountains. What a treasure. I had forgotten. Shame on me. Love experiencing it anew with my crud. Sad thing is i never wanted to go back after I hit about 16 I knew I was gay and was so self conscience about everyone on the beach but I had also had two open heart surguries by 1971 and I was mortified when anyone saw my scars. Forty years later I am at the same beach and all I can think of with my little monster who is extremely creative and profoundly articulate( I was hesitant to go into deep water as it was cold and she. not yet 5 told me to relax and my body would acclimate. Asked Miss Smarty Pants what acclimated meant and she told me my bodies own temperature would get used to the water) BRAT
    I had the best times of my life there but I self exiled. Magnificent place and so so much to do on 500 for a family of four for a week.

  47. #
    Mrs. Smith
    July 15th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    yea- and if they asked Obama questions about Yemen and A-stan..
    He would bloviate something because he really doesn’t know..

    ____________

    Just like he does about everything including his birthday –

  48. Have any sites coordinated a money drop for a Sarah Palin PAC on bambi’s birthday? I’m in if someone lets me know,

  49. Mechelle has been at it again!

    Video at link: http://tinyurl.com/6yak3o9

    Larger-Than-Life Lobster Statue Stolen From Hamptons Restaurant

    Updated: Friday, 15 Jul 2011, 8:14 PM EDT
    Published : Friday, 15 Jul 2011, 5:32 PM EDT

    NEW YORK – The owners of a burger joint in a New York beach town were hoping Friday that their beloved lobster mascot would be returned safely after it was stolen earlier this week.

    Kobe, a crustacean measuring 7 feet and weighing over 100 pounds, is the mascot at Banzai Burger in the tony Hamptons enclave of Amagansett, about 106 miles east of New York City.

    The brazen theft, which took place Thursday, has baffled the owners of the new eatery, which serves beef patties, shark and sushi — but no lobster, the New York Post reported.

    “This had to be a real operation, because they needed a truck and a couple of strong hands,” said manager Steve Kasuba. “One person couldn’t pick it up; it was heavy.”

    Kobe held a sign that read, “Eat Beef,” and was stationed outside the joint by the Montauk Highway to attract hungry travelers.

    “So Kobe the lobster was saying, ‘Don’t eat my kind; eat beef,'” explained co-owner Alex Duff. “He was a lobster mascot for a burger restaurant.”

    The restaurant’s owners are offering a $1,000 reward in food and alcohol to anyone with information about the theft.

    “They can eat free for the rest of the summer!” Kasuba said.

    “Please return Kobe the Lobster,” Duff appealed to the thieves. “Please drop him off in the parking lot; that would be great.”

    Source: New York Post

  50. Norma-

    I expect Obama’s forthcoming birthday party will be the news catch for the rest of next week until it actually happens. Anything about the failed budget talks will be played down.. I think the Jolly Roger is going to Camp David this weekend- and the R’s are invited to attend? I haven’t followed too closely.

  51. Mrs. Smith – the last I heard the Weekend at Bernie’s was off (Poopsie ESPECIALLY didn’t want to go to that old tired place – she might not have her choice of libations available like on ‘her’ plane)

    The media keeps mentioning that there MAY be a gathering, but I think it is just to give us more Hopium…..

  52. This will kill Obama stone dead.

    Ouch! Goldman Sachs lowers 2Q GDP forecast to 1.5% from 2.5 , 3Q to 2.5% from 3.25. Unemployment at end of 2012: 8.75%…try explaining that during the election.

  53. Cannot find the link as I am on the worst netbook ever, but the US government has via congress spent one billion trying to get us to accept dollar coins. Funny no matter how many times Americans had said no to the coins, Congress just kept going and going. Now it seems for the past several years they have been played. Use your miles card and buy 3.000 dollars of US dollar coins and get free shipping with 5 day delivery. Idiots. People have been buying thousands of dollars in coins getting them delivered depositing them in the bank and then collecting 3.000 air line miles on credit cards. Meanwhile the US taxpayer is paying the credit card fee and as there is zero balance the card holder legally walks away with a free trip or upgrade.
    These people are twits. Never mind that American’s don’t want the coin dollars we’ll make them and we will be too stupid worried about islands sinking to pay attention to hundreds of millions of dollars going to clever kids.

  54. In another case of Do as I say, not as I say I say…

    Rep. Jackson Lee sued for discrimination
    By Jordy Yager – 07/14/11 04:10 PM ET

    A former staff member of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) has filed a discrimination lawsuit against her.

    The suit, brought by Mona Floyd, Jackson Lee’s former legislative director, alleges the lawmaker deliberately ignored her staffer’s vision and reading disabilities by forcing her to work long and extended hours with no breaks.

    At two separate points, Jackson Lee allegedly told Floyd, “I don’t care anything about your disability,” and later when asked about making adjustments to accommodate her disability the lawmaker allegedly told her chief of staff, “I don’t give a damn about her disability,” according to the lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for D.C.

    Jackson Lee’s office said the lawmaker supports equal employment but that it was not planning to comment on matters pertaining to inner-office affairs.

    “The office of U.S. Representative Jackson Lee considers internal personnel matters confidential and will not comment publicly on the allegations at this time, except to say that the office fully embraces and fully practices equal employment opportunities for all,” Glenn Rushing, chief of staff for Jackson Lee, said in a statement.

    Floyd, who stopped working for Jackson Lee last fall, is seeking “back and front pay, compensatory damages, punitive damages and attorneys’ fees and costs” and is pushing for a trial by jury, according to the suit.

    The complaint states that Floyd informed Jackson Lee and her staff on numerous occasions of her vision disability, called “monocular vision, which causes eye fatigue and strain, headaches, reduced speed in reading, reduced concentration and comprehension, and general physical fatigue.”

    The disability requires Floyd to take periodic breaks from reading throughout the day. But according to the lawsuit, Jackson Lee did not take appropriate steps to ensure those breaks occurred and to the contrary, piled so much work on Floyd that she often would work seamlessly from 7 a.m. until 11 p.m.

    The lawsuit also takes a stab at Jackson Lee’s legislative track record, saying her treatment of Floyd runs contrary to her public support for the Americans with Disabilities Act and the disabled community.

    “Representative Jackson Lee’s dismissive response to her staff member’s own disability proved that the Representative was not a true advocate for persons with disabilities, but instead only paid lip service to that constituency,” the lawsuit states.

    Source:
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/171585-former-staffer-sues-jackson-lee-for-discrimination

  55. Basil99@8:42PM:

    Duly noted. However, although all POV are certainly welcome, baseless assertions like “Obama is inevitable, no one can beat him” a year and a half out have a tendency to be destructive and demoralizing, and need to be challenged. Of course, if there is something specific to back up that claim, that’s a different story. Having seen no such evidence myself, I pose the question when I see it, since it’s always possible that I missed something. I acknowledge your point, though.

  56. Everyone notices the “bluff” bluff:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/does-anyone-democratic-party-know-how-play-poker_576865.html

    From the latest Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee fundraising email:

    Dear XXXX,

    Don’t call my bluff.

    These were the strong words President Obama had for Eric Cantor, leader of the Congressional “Hell No” Caucus. These Republicans are so bent on destroying the president, they’re willing to create an economic meltdown to try to tie it on the Democrats.

    The president and Democrats are holding strong against this obstinacy, but in no time, the GOP will go on the attack. If a debt ceiling deal is not reached, they will spend millions blaming Democrats. And we will need to fight back against every single lie.

    Here’s the Politico account of the meeting:

    “Eric, don’t call my bluff,” the president said, warning Cantor that he would take his case “to the American people.” He told Cantor that no other president — not Ronald Reagan, the president said — would sit through such negotiations.

    Now I’m no Phil Ivey, but I’m pretty sure that announcing to everyone in the room that you’re bluffing is very, very poor way to play poker.

  57. This kind of European arrogance just pisses me off. From Spiegel:

    Most importantly, the Republicans have turned a dispute over a technicality into a religious war, which no longer has any relation to a reasonable dispute between the elected government and the opposition.”

    You know what, Mr. Scolding German? You are a clueless, ill-informed, parochial (yeah, if the shoe fits), euro-centric idiot. You are the epitome of The Ugly European. You know how I know that? Because this is the United States of America, and we do not have a Parliamentary form of government. The Republican House, for all their faults, are NOT the “opposition” to “the elected government”. It doesn’t work that way here.

    So stop opining on governments and cultures that you quite obviously don’t understand, you insufferable prig. Your ignorance and assumptions are showing.

  58. Who was it said the US is more stable because European headlines often say “the government collapsed.”

    I wish we could hold a vote of no confidence and have a new president elected whenever one screws up.

  59. turndown, I am really sick of the ridiculous Europe-worship that abounds in this country. Europe is lovely, but they are not us. Our history, our culture, the unique attitude of our people, and system of govt are entirely different. And I like ours a lot better than theirs.

    I have no desire to see the USA turn into Europe. I love us. Warts, loud brashness, and crazy individualism and all.

  60. That said, turndown, I do get where you are coming from, with the desire to recall this turd. 😀 But I don’t think I’d change our form of govt to be able to do it.

  61. HillaryforTexas
    July 16th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    I totally agree with you. Having lived in Europe for 6 years (France and Germany), they are interesting cultures, one which my forefathers came out of, but no better than ours.

    By the way, the French Medical system has been declared one of the best. When I lived there, you would rather die than go to a French hospital. My how socialize medicine changes everything.

  62. NMF, I agree that we can look at ALL countries for particular ideas for things that work. Some have better healthcare systems, some worse, Sweden has a total school voucher system, etc.

    I just meant that some people, and many Europeans, assume that all liberals in America have some burning desire to emulate Europe in all things, as if all things European are automatically “better”. And that’s crap.

  63. By the way, the French Medical system has been declared one of the best. When I lived there, you would rather die than go to a French hospital. My how socialize medicine changes everything.

    ================

    Well, the system as a whole might be better and keep people out of the hospitals. WHen were you there, and who is ‘you would rather’?

  64. I was there in the late 60s, and I based my opinion on talking to the French Nationals that I knew then. There facilities left a lot to be desired. However, I hear that all has changed.

  65. HillaryforTexas
    July 16th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Yes, we agree again. I never looked at Europe as better, just different. However, when I returned home, when I mentioned Paris, and other places, people thought I was bragging, when instead I felt no different than when I mentioned Denver. I also saw the goods and service first hand, and found some products to be superior, or equal, and others not. I did admired how careful they were about packaging, and the small amount of waste that their products produced, compared to ours. We had a large garbage can, and they had one 1/3 the size. I remember the French underwear being sexy, but hard to wear. Their shoes were sexy also, but hurt your feet. They don’t sell widths over there, at least then they did not, and the shoes were made for wide feet. I had a narrow foot. I do think there is an image that is cultivated in this country that Europe is special, and better in many respects.

    However, it is our soldiers that are buried over there from two wars that we had to help them win.

  66. I was there in the late 60s, and I based my opinion on talking to the French Nationals that I knew then. There facilities left a lot to be desired. However, I hear that all has changed.

    =================

    That’s over 40 years. Maybe it would be worth looking at how it was changed. Did they really go socialized medicine?

    Or, back in the 60s, what were your French National friends comparing the French hospitals to? Had they been in other countries’ hospitals? Everybody badmouths one’s own local health services.

  67. I spent about a year living in London hostels 20 years ago and I remember playing pool with a bunch of ozzies just about every night and the subject of US health care was sometimes a hot topic. I had health insurance which i paid a huge amount for when i went traveling– they got it for next to nothing. if I remember correctly they could travel anywhere save the USA and not worry about breaking a leg. Huge disdain for the American system as far as providing regular care but almost all said if they were really sick they’d want to be in America. Grain of salt. All were healthy backpackers under 30.

  68. From about 2003-2006 I read diabetic forums with posters from all over the world. They often compared hc systems in their various countries.

    The ones most satisfied iirc were Australia, NZ, Germany, Canada. Aus and NZ were quite socialized. The US system compared very badly in all respects that were discussed, especially cost.

  69. Recently a careful study was made of the concentration of business in the United States. It showed that our economic life was dominated by some six hundred odd corporations who controlled two-thirds of American industry. Ten million small business men divided the other third. More striking still, it appeared that if the process of concentration goes on at the same rate, at the end of another century we shall have all American industry controlled by a dozen corporations, and run by perhaps a hundred men. Put plainly, we are steering a steady course toward economic oligarchy, if we are not there already.

    — FDR
    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/fdrcommonwealth.htm

    Much worth reading here. If you’re short of time, search for ‘corporation’.

  70. henry July 15th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
    —————–
    henry, you are a survivor! I too froze in the water there to the point that I avoid it now. But then, I had, and still have no “Miss Smarty Pants to advise me.”

  71. The questions thats not being asked…….

    Why is it that we are having to have to raise a debt ceiling : Obama’s bailout and bad leadership.

    Who caused the debt to soar? – Obama

    What would have happened had Obama not put the stimulus, Obamacare, auto bailout before country & rule of law, – we might not be in such bad shape.

    Who caused the deficit to skyrocket since Jan 2009 – Obama.

    There i said it, bad leadership is why we are having these debt talks right now, could someone in the MSM please spell this out for the dumbest of voters.

  72. 1% of $39M raised by Obama Victory Fund 2012 – the cmte benefiting Obama & DNC – came from those giving sub $200 (opensecrets.org)

    Now what does that tell you?

  73. Senator John Barrasso (R-WY) will introduce legislation next week to allow every American to apply for their own Obamacare waiver. Barrasso says, “Each waiver demonstrates that the President’s health care law is a complete failure.”

    Here is Senator Barasso’s statement on Obamacare waivers:

    Today, U.S. Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) released the following statement regarding the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) new round of waivers from the President’s health care law. HHS has now granted a total of 1,471 waivers to over 3.2 million people.

    “As of today, over 3.2 million Americans have received a get out of Obamacare free pass from the Administration. If the law worked well, companies and unions would not demand a way out of its expensive mandates. Each waiver demonstrates that the President’s health care law is a complete failure. The law continues to crush jobs, increase premiums and encourage government controlled health care.

    “It’s not fair that a particular group of Americans, including union employees, don’t have to abide by the law. Millions of other Americans across the country deserve the same freedom.

    “Next week, I will introduce a bill that will allow all Americans to apply for a waiver from the President’s health care law. This law will deliver choice to Americans who want to get the care they need, from the doctor they want, at a price they can afford.”

    …………….

    Popcorn? anyone?

  74. turndownobama
    July 16th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    Actually we have a long time dear friend that married a French Widow, and lives in France on the coast. He recently fought lung cancer, and he felt he was treated well by the French system. Of course that is one observation. In our brief discussion, it sounded like he was getting state of the art treatment. He did say the whole country complains about how much taxes they pay in order to support the socialized medicine.

  75. O/T re: no response to question posed to everyone at:

    Mrs. Smith
    July 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
    ___________________________

    I am left to believe- one of these three response:

    … Either no one here has read the Harry Potter book series-

    … Or, No one here has time to think about this-

    … Or, No one here believes JK Rowling’s Hermione Granger character is based on Hillary Clinton

    … Or, All of the Above…

    __________

    Henry, your beautiful four year old would be entranced by this series of books.. something she will be able to do on her own soon. Little blurbs are coming out… now that JK’s 10 yr run has come to a conclusion. Certain plots and characters in the book are being revealed as paralleling real world events occurring over the last 10 yrs and represented by hidden meanings in her books. Very interesting JK Rowling was able to transform current events and people into inspiration for her book.

  76. Re Harry Potter.

    Here are publication dates of the books. Some of them took more than a year to write.

    jkrowling.com/textonly/en/

    factmonster.com/spot/harrycreator1.html
    Rowling started writing the first Harry Potter book in 1990.
    [….]
    Rowling returned to Britain in 1993, settling in Edinburgh, Scotland, to be near her sister. Divorced after a brief marriage in Portugal and now with a baby, she suffered through a period of poverty and depression while she struggled to earn a living and take care of her daughter, Jessica. It was during this difficult time that she finally completed Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, which was renamed Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone for the U.S. edition.

    Of course Hermoine’s character could have been enriched after the first notes in 1990. I don’t hve the dates of Hillary’s peace work in Ireland as First Lady.

    There are many similarities. It might be interesting to compare the dates when Hillary got publicity, with the dates when Rowling was writing various books, and see what Hermoine was doing in them.

    But Ron WEasley is no Bill Clinton!

  77. repost from RBO:

    Obama’s $6 Million ‘Smart Growth’ Bamboozle

    July 13, 2011 by (ht/Brenda J. Elliott)

    The Obama administration launched another grand scheme this week, the Strong Cities, Strong Communities Initiative:

    Strong Cities, Strong Communities is a new interagency pilot initiative that aims to strengthen neighborhoods, towns, cities and regions around the country by strengthening the capacity of local governments to develop and execute their economic vision and strategies. Strong Cities, Strong Communities bolsters local governments by providing necessary technical assistance and access to federal agency expertise, and creating new public and private sector partnerships. By leveraging existing assets, providing new resources, and fostering new connections at the local and national level, Strong Cities, Strong Communities will support towns and cities as they develop comprehensive plans for their communities and invest in economic growth and job creation.

    Alex Goldschmidt of Smart Growth America remarked July 11:

    The White House announced a new program today that will help communities across the country make their smart growth plans a reality. Strong Cities, Strong Communities is a new interagency pilot initiative that aims to strengthen neighborhoods, towns, cities and regions around the country by strengthening the capacity of local governments to develop and execute their economic vision and strategies.

    Smart growth theory, according to the Wikipedia, is:

    … an urban planning and transportation theory that concentrates growth in compact walkable urban centers to avoid sprawl and advocates compact, transit-oriented, walkable, bicycle-friendly land use, including neighborhood schools, complete streets, and mixed-use development with a range of housing choices. …

    Smart growth values long-range, regional considerations of sustainability over a short-term focus. Its goals are to achieve a unique sense of community and place; expand the range of transportation, employment, and housing choices; equitably distribute the costs and benefits of development; preserve and enhance natural and cultural resources; and promote public health.

    Unsurprisingly, Smart Growth America is a coalition of the usual progressive suspects that includes: Center for Community Change, Center for Neighborhood Technology, Environmental Defense Fund, Friends of the Earth, Gamaliel Foundation, National Wildlife Federation, Natural Resources Defense Council, and Sierra Club. (In case you did not know or have forgotten, several of these are members of the Apollo Alliance and both the Gamaliel Foundation and the Center for Neighborhood Technology have direct connections with Barack Obama.)

    Also on July 11, the White House announced six pilot locations for the initiative (emphasis mine). The Community Solutions Team (unnamed, of course) will:

    * Chester, PA: Help Mayor Butler diversify the local economy, support small business development and revitalize the downtown.
    * Cleveland, OH: Support Mayor Jackson in his efforts to coordinate workforce and economic development and to maximize the economic potential of the Cleveland Port.
    * Detroit, MI: Partner with Mayor Bing and Governor Snyder to increase coordination and alignment on workforce and economic development issues, and to leverage U.S. DOT’s investments in High Speed Rail and the Woodward Avenue light rail project to spur economic revitalization in the downtown corridor.
    * fresno, CA: Work to capitalize on the coming high-speed rail station to improve the downtown area, and will also build on a successful neighborhood development program.
    * Memphis, TN: Partner with Mayor Wharton and his team to pursue his vision to strengthen the education system and attract new industries.
    * New Orleans, LA: Work to integrate existing federal resources to improve the delivery of health services, manage public safety and rebuild public infrastructure.

    What the White House announcement does not state, and the Federal Register does, is that funding for the initiative has some restrictions . . .

    Subject to the availability of funds under Economic Development Administration’s (EDA) Economic Adjustment Assistance program (42 U.S.C. 3149), the SC2 Pilot Challenge will offer a total of $6 million to support the development and implementation of comprehensive economic development strategic plans for approximately six cities.

    Additionally, each city will receive $1 million “to conduct a community-led challenge competition” (Challenge Competition, aka a “prize competition”) to create economic development strategic plans:

    As a part of the Challenge Competition, each city will invite multidisciplinary teams, representing a variety of disciplines with complementary skills in the economic development arena, to submit proposals for comprehensive economic development strategic plans establishing and promoting a vision and approach to stimulate local economic development. The proposals are expected to be multi-faceted, to include plans to restructure and realign land-uses, infrastructure, and economic and social resources (e.g., industry clusters, workforce development), and economic development approaches that promote competitiveness and high-growth potential.

    However, it gets even better (emphasis mine):

    To design the Challenge Competition, EDA anticipates using the new authority granted to Federal agencies to conduct prize competitions and challenges under the America Creating Opportunities to Meaningfully Promote Excellence in Technology, Education, and Science (COMPETES) Reauthorization Act of 2010 (Pub. L. 111-358 (2011)) (America COMPETES Act). In this regard, EDA will engage a prize and challenge expert to help develop the competition framework, including rules regarding eligibility, potential prize amounts, process and other criteria, that each winning city will use to run its local Challenge Competition.

    We get a glimpse into what this initiative is really all about from Deputy Secretary of Transportion John Porcari, who said from Memphis, “Think of it as a laboratory for directing a federal partnership with local and regional governments.”

    Honestly? Americans and the economy are struggling like crazy and Porcari touts this as a “laboratory” effort?

    In reality, the six chosen cities will get $1 million each but not to actually DO anything, as Porcari clearly stated.

    It’s just another Obama flim-flam-okie-doke-bamboozle to trick voters in six major cities into thinking the Obama administration is giving them something when, in reality, they will be getting nothing but more of the same Obama experimentation — and another $6 million will have been frittered away.

    http://rbo2.com/2011/07/13/obamas-6-million-smart-growth-bamboozle/

  78. President Obama has made it clear that he’s willing to sign on to a deficit-reduction deal that consists overwhelmingly of spending cuts, and includes draconian cuts in key social programs, up to and including a rise in the age of Medicare eligibility. These are extraordinary concessions. As The Times’s Nate Silver points out, the president has offered deals that are far to the right of what the average American voter prefers — in fact, if anything, they’re a bit to the right of what the average Republican voter prefers!
    — Krugman

  79. GOP leaders ignore Obama’s 36-hour deadline to come up with a debt plan

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/171873-gop-leaders-ignore-obamas-36-hour-deadline

    House Republican leaders have missed a 36-hour deadline President Obama set during a Thursday meeting for lawmakers to give him a plan to avert a national default.

    The deadline came and went Saturday morning without a response from House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

    Instead, Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) plan to move the Cut, Cap and Balance Act on the floor next week, which would require passage of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the debt limit is raised.

    A House GOP leadership aide said at noontime Saturday that Boehner and Cantor did not send Obama a revised proposal to raise the debt-limit, as the president requested.

    The White House did not respond to requests for comment.

    At a meeting late Thursday afternoon, Obama gave congressional leaders 24 to 36 hours to meet with their colleagues to figure out a plan that could pass both chambers.

    “It’s decision time,” Obama said.

    Ignoring Obama’s directive, Republican leaders are coalescing around the Cut, Cap and Balance bill that is expected to pass the House but has virtually no chance in the Democrat-controlled Senate.

    ……………………………….

    I think they have learned how to get his back up. They know now there is no point in negotiating with the little twerp, just pass a house resolution and then let the spineless one vote it down.

  80. 55% Oppose Tax Hike In Debt Ceiling Deal (So much for Hussein’s 80%)

    As the Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.

    Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling…55% disagree and say it should not.

    Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats want a tax hike…82% of Republicans do not. Among [Independents], 35% favor a tax hike and 51% are opposed.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/july_2011/55_oppose_tax_hike_in_debt_ceiling_deal

    ……………………….

    Blatant lies from the Manchild, according to this 42% of Dems do not want tax hikes.

  81. Well, I actually live in France! One of the two reasons we moved here was health care. (I am pregnant and could not afford health insurance in the U.S. My husband is a French national, so we qualified for coverage very quickly.) So far–we haven’t been here very long–I am really liking that we will not lose our home due to the cost of labor and delivery, and the care has been excellent. My taxes as a self-employed person are only slightly higher than they were in the U.S. If my husband gets the job he is interviewing for (after several years of unemployment in the U.S.), his taxes will be lower than what he was previously paying. I’ll get back to you on the “quality of care” issue after I actually give birth. : ) I am NOT an America-hater. On the contrary, it makes me really, really sad this was our only realistic option to provide health care for the family and a college education for our children.

  82. 99% of voters don’t want to pay more taxes and 98% don’t mind if someone else is forced to pay more to make it up.

  83. So it depends on how the question is worded and how the answer is interpreted.

    I’m waiting for a poll that spells out the alternatives clearly: what income levels if any do you think should have tax hikes? If the hikes aren’t included in this particular bill, do you favor them in some other bill?

    Stuff like that.

  84. If tax hikes occur they should be imposed on everyone including the 51 percent of Americans who currently pay no taxes.

    I am sick to death of carrying the non-taxpayers on my back. Nearly every penny I made on a part-time freelance job last year went to a tax bill of $14G. It’s almost to the point I have to PAY the government for the luxury of working.

    That’s on top of the years paying large percentages of my full-time job income to taxes.

    You want more taxes? Fine. Let EVERYONE pay the same percentage.

  85. Anyone opposed to Obama is a racist, yet liberals are perfectly okay with guests on Bill Maher saying of Bachmann they’d like to “Fuck her angrily”

    But then, they already got away with it when Playboy announced Palin as top of it’s “Hate Fuck” list in 2008, so why wouldn’t the dudebros think it’s perfectly okay to publicly opine on the rape and abuse of women they disagree with politically? It’s not like they ever get held accountable for it.

    The era of civility was on full display during Friday night’s “Real Time with Bill Maher.”

    In the midst of a conversation about Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus Bachmann’s Christian counseling clinic (recently underfire for attempting to turn gays straight through prayer), comedian Marc Maron spoke about how he thinks about “angrily f*cking” the Republican presidential candidate.

    “I don’t want to be crass, but I just hope that Marcus Bachmann takes all that, ya know, that rage that comes from repression and denial and brings it into the bedroom with her,” Maron said. “I hope he f*cks her angrily, because that’s how I would. And I’ve thought about it.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/16/comedian-on-bachmann-i-would-fck-her-angrily/#ixzz1SJe5UIJb

  86. Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … According to the most recent report of the independent Social Security Trustees, the trust fund is currently in surplus and growing. Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.
    —Jacob Lew, OMB Director, February 21, 2011 (USA Today, Op-ed page)

  87. turndownobama
    July 16th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    And we let them get away with increasing the retirement age. Shame on us!

  88. That “white house insider” series has still had me fascinated through the months, and I have to admit that a great many things that have been published there have later turned out to be confirmed in mainstream news. This one struck me when this “insider” guy first said it back in March of this year:

    …You see, it’s the Justice Department that is the firewall for the administration. For EVERYTHING – and the stuff that could destroy the Obama White House…it starts at Justice, and then leads to Chicago.

    …Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And what happened to Rezko? That’s part of the same deal. A company called Companion Security…Blago, Rezko, the Feds. It’s all brewing – maybe boiling over?

    Well, the news just broke in a Chicago Sun Times story that a Rezco partner named Frawley of Companion Security has had his sentencing hearing inexplicably delayed, and rumors are flying that he is cutting deals for information. But what information might that be?

    Of particular note is this exchange found within the Frawley deposition:

    …Weaver’s lawyer, Daniel F. Konicek, asks Frawley about what specific information Weaver is supposed to have told Frawley to withhold from federal authorities.

    “I’m assuming the information is about the payments made by Rezko to Obama, so we know we’re talking about the right conversation, right?” Konicek asks Frawley.

    Frawley doesn’t answer. So Konicek presses him: “Am I correct it was about Obama being paid by Rezko?”

    Frawley replies: “I’m not answering that question, based upon my attorney’s instructions.”

    Read more: http://socyberty.com/history/the-ulsterman-report-back-to-chicago-update/#ixzz1SKOrwXHm

  89. turndown, the money is not there. The whole “SS Trust Fund” thing is a lie. It’s full of IOU’s that have to be paid by the Treasury. Calling it “separate and walled off” from the rest of the budget is an accounting gimmick, nothing more.

  90. I think that the mechanism and presentation, the word-for-word “fake” interviews with this “insider” is not real. But he’s been right on too many things for me not to believe he has someone feeding him information from inside the administration.

    He may be dramatizing it for effect, using a made up “character”, but I think he does have a source.

  91. Clinton Works With Allies on Ways to Fight Religious Intolerance

    By Nicole Gaouette – Jul 15, 2011

    The U.S. and allies are seeking better responses to acts of religious intolerance such as burnings of the Koran and cartoons that mock the Prophet Muhammad.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton discussed with religious and political leaders today in Istanbul how to build on a United Nations Human Rights Council resolution passed March 24, which calls for promoting tolerance and respect for diversity of beliefs, without restricting legitimate free speech.

    Clinton, the secretary general of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference, Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, and others are aiming to implement responses to defamation that includes education, government outreach and dialogue rather than restrictive measures.

    Since 1999, Muslim countries such as Pakistan have reacted to perceived attacks on Islam by pushing for UN resolutions against “defamation of religion” that prohibit speech that they said could fuel discrimination.

    Western nations said such measures repress speech and other freedoms that the U.S. considers basic and universal, and were used to justify “troublesome” blasphemy laws in Muslim nations, according to State Department background materials.

    “Together, we have begun to address the false divide that pits religious sensitivities against freedom of expression,” Clinton said today.

    She noted that even as countries in the Middle East and North Africa make the “inspiring” transition to democracy, there has also been a rise in ethnic and religious intolerance.

    Protect Speech Rights

    Clinton said the Human Rights Council’s resolution “calls upon states to protect freedom of religion, to counter offensive expression through education, interfaith dialogue, and public debate, and to prohibit discrimination, profiling, and hate crimes, but not to criminalize speech unless there is an incitement to imminent violence.”

    Later this year, the U.S. will host a meeting of “relevant experts” from around the world to discuss best practices, exchange ideas and “keep us moving forward beyond the polarizing debates of the past,” Clinton said.

    In the United States, Clinton said, “we have seen how the incendiary actions of just a very few people” can create “wide ripples of intolerance.”

    “So we are focused on promoting interfaith education and collaboration, enforcing anti-discrimination laws, protecting the rights of all people to worship as they choose, and to use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor,” she said.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/clinton-works-with-allies-on-ways-to-fight-religious-intolerance.html

  92. This person sums up my thinking on it. Circumstantial, but that’s a hell of a lot of circumstance. What makes me suspicious is the complete lack of following ANY lines of inquiry that lead in any way to Obama. even though he obviously had ties to both men. It’s a case of “the dog that didn’t bark” making it odd.

    So we know federal prosecutors knew Rezko had been accused of paying a $1.5 million bribe to help Frawley obtain the security-training contract, and they knew Rezko had been accused of making payments to Obama. The Iraqi bribe issue was never prosecuted in the government’s case against Rezko where he was convicted on multiple criminal charges related to his influence pedding within the administration of Blagojevich.

    The federal government never pursued the investigation of payments being made to Obama. Rezko helped Obama with the purchase of his southside mansion on which he got a discounted mortgage from Northern Trust Bank, the same bank that received $1.6 billion in federal bailout money and came under criticism for blowing money on lavish parties in L.A.

    We also know that Rezko hosted a 2004 reception in his Wilmette home for a corrupt Iraqi businessman, Nadhmir Auchi, who wired $3.5 million to Rezko in 2005 at which Barack and Michelle were in attendance. Yes, Barack Obama can thank corrupt federal investigators for covering up his criminal activity with Rezko so he could be elected president while Blagojevich is headed to prison and his corrupt benefactor, Rezko, has been locked up in prison for years following his conviction.

    Blagojevich frequently complained during his trial that evidence concerning Obama, including recorded conversatons, had been blocked by federal prosecutors and the federal judge in his case.

    http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2011/07/ex-rezko-partner-told-federal.html

  93. Okay, so we have Rezco helping out Obama, doing fundraisers for him. Meanwhile, he and his partner Frawley are trying to get this contract with Iraq. Rezco is tied this Iraqui Auchi dude, who “loaned” him millions, coincidentally just before he helped Obama buy his house, and while he was Obama’s fundraiser. So who is Auchi?

    From the Times of London:

    Auchi’s brother was among the many Baathists killed by Saddam, but the execution did not inhibit Auchi’s business dealings with Iraq which, he says, didn’t stop until the Gulf war of 1991. His first coup in the West was to broker a deal to sell Italian frigates to the Iraqi Defence Ministry, for which he received $17m in commission. Italian investigators claimed that a Panamanian company owned by Auchi was used to funnel allegedly illegal payments. Auchi denied he had done anything wrong.
    In the mid-1980s he got to know Pierfrancesco Pacini Battaglia, a man whose role in directing money to politicians led Italians to call him ‘the one below God’. Saddam Hussein had ordered the construction of a pipeline from Iraq to Saudi Arabia. Battaglia and Auchi secured the contract for a Franco-Italian consortium. In a statement to New York lawyers Battaglia alleged he knew how. ‘To acquire the contract it was necessary, as is usual, especially in Middle Eastern countries, to pay commission to characters close to the Iraqi government… In this case, the international intermediary who dealt with this matter was the Iraqi, Nadhmi Auchi.’

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3433485.ece

    So it’s pretty evident that Auchi was an experienced broker – acting as a go-between in deals between the corrupt Iraqi government and “investors”.

    Now, one is perfectly able to look at all that and say “Yeah, so what – doesn’t prove Obama was involved at all.” And it doesn’t. But the thing that is curious to me is that with all the stuff they went after and thoroughly investigated Rezko for, this particular line of inquiry was almost entirely shut down. Why? . And now we have this Frawley dude, Rezko’s partner, testifying that his own attorney tried to make him withhold information relating to Obama…..

  94. I don’t know if it was his “Choice” or not – but from what I understand, he perhaps was made an offer he couldn’t refuse…

  95. You know what I think? I think that maybe Obama was only tangentially involved with this Auchi stuff. Maybe he took some campaign money that he shouldn’t have from some shady sources. Minor stuff. Maybe he didn’t even know where it came from.
    The scandal, if this ever got looked into, is that he has since used the DOJ via his good buddy Holder, and the office of the presidency, to cover it up.

    That’s what I suspect.

  96. turndown, the money is not there. The whole “SS Trust Fund” thing is a lie. It’s full of IOU’s that have to be paid by the Treasury. Calling it “separate and walled off” from the rest of the budget is an accounting gimmick, nothing more.

    ================

    The important point is that, so to speak, it’s not SS’s ‘fault’ that the debtors who borrowed money from SS do not want to pay it back. SS DOES pay its own way. During their working years, the Boomers paid in a large amount of payroll taxes — enough to cover their own retirement.

    If SS had bought gold and hid it in a vault, and someone had tunneled in and stolen the gold — we wouldn’t say SS was not working and needed to be restructured. We’d just get the gold back and build a stronger vault.

  97. H4T – talk to Brenda at RBO. I think she will see things differently. 😉

    And yes re the cover-up. Isn’t that always the way?

  98. Turndown – “If SS had bought gold and hid it in a vault, and someone had tunneled in and stolen the gold — we wouldn’t say SS was not working and needed to be restructured. We’d just get the gold back and build a stronger vault.”

    Love this analogy. Problem is, it’s not always so easy to “get the gold back” – especially when it has been melted down and has been disguised as Pork!

  99. turndown, SS used to be self-funding (apart from the stealing), but it will not be for much longer.

    It is not possible, with the aging of the baby boomers, the reduced number of young people vs. the number of retired people, and COL adjustments, for it to pay its own way anymore. It does not take in as much as it pays out. Nowhere close. Not anymore.

    Yes, it has to be restructured at some point. Fighting that reality is only going to ensure that it will be restructured in the worst way possible, by people that we don’t want doing it – because those are the only ones coming up with plans to do it. Our side is too busy denying the reality that it has to be done to come up with better plans.

  100. It is not possible, with the aging of the baby boomers, the reduced number of young people vs. the number of retired people, and COL adjustments, for it to pay its own way anymore. It does not take in as much as it pays out.

    ==================

    That’s what the Trust Fund was for. The large Boomer generation paid in a large amount of payroll taxes, which has been earning interest, waiting for the Boomers to reach retirement (aside from stealing). It’s not a Ponzi scheme that pays them out of the current, smaller generations’ payroll taxes. SS was designed to ride out periods like this.

    Even those who say SS will be in trouble in 25 years, admit it is okay for that 25 years. Now, after 25 years most of the Boomers will be dead. So — what is supposed to be the problem then?

    (Hint: Hillary said the answer is to improve the economy.)

  101. It has been earning interest??? LOL! No, it hasn’t. The “interest” that SS “earns” is just more taxpayer dollars. The bonds in the fund are not real bonds – they cannot be sold on the open market. They are a loan from one part of govt to another.

    If I borrow from my own retirement fund, I may pay myself “interest”, but it still comes out of MY pocket. My net worth has not gone up one iota. If I pay myself back, I am not “earning interest” by virtue of those payments to myself.

  102. Bonds don’t just get sold or traded — they also get renewed, or they mature and have to be paid back. SS needs to stop renewing some of them and make the borrowers pay them back instead, to cover the Boomer Bulge, which is exactly what they are for — and the GOP is trying to avoid paying them back.

  103. As for not enough workers in the future. The total income of SS (aside from interest on the Trust Fund) from payroll taxes is a function of how many jobs at how much salary. Higher employment percent and higher wages can make up for lower number of young people. And getting back in the lead on new products can bring more money from other countries, to make US salaries higher.

  104. turndown, I understand that they can mature and must be paid. What I am saying it that that money is coming from the taxpayer either way. There is no outside party that “pays interest” on those bonds. It is still US.

  105. You know that article in MS about no such thing as the National Debt because we owe it to ourselves and the government can print all the money it needs? YOur argument sounds like the other side of that coin. If interest owed from one dept of the government to another is not ‘real interest’ — then that portion of the National Debt is not ‘real debt’ either.

    Both sides are too simplified.

    The interest accrued by the Trust Fund might be uncollectable for one reason or another — but it’s still as real as any other bond issue debt.

  106. H4T @ 11:57

    “So we know federal prosecutors knew Rezko had been accused of paying a $1.5 million bribe to help Frawley obtain the security-training contract, and they knew Rezko had been accused of making payments to Obama.”
    _______________________

    What Holder is doing is obstructing the path to Obama. Obama’s part was as the conduit for securing the $1.5M for Frawley. Acting as a BROKER in the transaction. Thus a commission was due to Obama for acquiring the funds. This is the likely scenario. (He most likely got the funds through Soros and was given a piece of one of Soros’ ventures as his end.) What is worth looking into, is seeing if Frawleys Security Co. is in any way part of the Soros portfolio.

    HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 12:21 am

  107. There is no outside party that “pays interest” on those bonds. It is still US.

    ===============

    You’re collapsing way too many distinctions. Suppose the Trust Fund had been invested in something outside of government, such as real estate. SS would be collecting rent and sometimes selling properties. The renters and buyers would be companies who make their money by selling their products — to US, and pricing accordingly. It’s still US.

    If SS/Med are cut, then unless you want to put the old and the sick out on ice floes (if there are any ice floes left) — then WE individuals are going to pay for their care while they live in our attics. If ‘we’ aren’t paying their doctor through Medicare, the doctor will send the bill direct to our mailbox.

    By whatever route, it’s still US.

  108. turndownobama
    July 17th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    I agree with you turndownobama. That money was designate, and taken fraudulantly starting with Johnson. It is owed back to the fund with INTEREST. No accounting course I have ever taken would justify the taking of designated money, and the borrowing would only be with market interest. However, they want us to believe that this fund is a liability because it is not paying it’s own way, when it fact it is but has BEEN ILLEGALLY BORROWED FROM. That should have never been allowed.

    TOO MANY TIME WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN MAD AND STOPPED THE ACTIONS OF THE PRESIDENT AND THE LEGISLATIVE BODY WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE. Once you allow that to happen, they walk all over you. That is why the voters no longer matter, and the poltical parties and business financial sector do. They have clout and use it. The voters vote and punish sometimes, but usually they just roll over and take it.

  109. Federal expansion the real issue in debt ceiling debate [slightly snipped]
    Michael Barone
    The bedrock issue is whether we should have a larger and more expensive federal government. Over many years federal spending has averaged about 20 percent of gross domestic product. The Obama Democrats have raised that to 24 or 25 percent. And the president’s budget projects that that percentage will stay the same or increase far into the future.

    In negotiations on the debt limit Obama has fenced off several programs from any cuts at all. One is Obamacare, even though majorities in polls continue to favor its repeal. Another is, astonishingly, the $53 billion he wants to spend on high-speed rail projects. To call high-speed rail a “boondoggle,” as does House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, is to engage in considerable understatement. These projects include $715 million for construction of 100 miles of track between the small towns of Borden and Corcoran in California’s Central Valley. They include a train from Iowa City, Iowa, that will take longer to get to Chicago than already existing bus service and a train from Minneapolis to Duluth, Minn., that will average 69 miles per hour — about what you could average on the parallel Interstate 35. Obama has rhapsodized about the pleasure of walking to a train station and taking a high-speed rail trip to another city. But the great majority of Americans don’t live within an easy drive of a train station. He has called high-speed rail an “investment” in cutting-edge technology. But it’s hardly cutting edge: Japan debuted its bullet train in 1964 and France inaugurated its TGV in 1981.

    As for investment, Oxford professor Bent Flyvbjerg analyzed results from dozens of rail projects in 20 countries over the last 70 years. He found that 75 percent ended up costing at least 24 percent over projections and 25 percent exceed projections by more than 60 percent. No wonder the governors of Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida have turned down federal money for rail projects that parallel interstate highways. They realized that their taxpayers would get stuck for inevitable cost overruns and operating deficits. A high-speed rail line might make sense in the densely populated Northeast corridor between Washington and Boston, and as a Washingtonian who travels frequently to Manhattan I would love a faster train than the current Acela. But these projects make no sense in most of the rest of America. High-speed rail is not the biggest item in the budget. But it’s emblematic of the Obama Democrats’ theory that government spending can stimulate the economy. That theory has been pretty well demolished by the fact of 9.2 percent unemployment. The clear signal from both economic markets and political polls is that we should cut federal spending back from 25 percent of GDP toward 20 percent.

    It’s not clear how far the Republicans can move toward this goal in the debt limit battle, or whether they can move any distance at all. But it’s worth trying if only to clarify the choice before voters next year.
    Michael Barone,The Examiner’s senior political analyst, can be contacted at [snip]. His column appears Wednesday and Sunday….
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/federal-expansion-real-issue-debt-ceiling-debate

  110. portlandon
    July 15th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    Looks like Hillary is done

    Yea and sad to say, I believe her. I think she is abandoning us to have a life.

  111. Carol

    You don’t fight a War you’re not sure you can Win. Hillary has Never and will NEVER abandon US neither will her husband, Bill.

    Chelsea might be their only child; but the care and consideration they have shown this country is something comparable to the care shown to a *second* child if they had one. Hillary has protected Israel until their circumstances are such they can stand on their own now that Gas and Oil reserves found on Israel’s land will recognize them as a Blue Chip country, a player on the World stage. And has given them a future protecting themselves from radical Muslim factions who would gladly take away this gift which was most likely their plan all along getting it done through UN declarations.

    “Abandon” might have been a poor choice of words associated with Hillary because it speaks to future events that haven’t happened yet… So, I will give you a chance to rethink your statement and perhaps change your thinking by what I’ve written this morning.

  112. The interest accrued by the Trust Fund might be uncollectable for one reason or another — but it’s still as real as any other bond issue debt.

    No it’s not, and we proved it recently. Because some of those bond payments came due, and our govt did not pay them.

    If it had been a REAL bond (i.e. one owed to actual investors), that would have been a DEFAULT, and everything would have blown sky high, our credit rating tanked, etc. But it didn’t. No one even noticed other than a few financial blogs. Your example of the regular Treasury bonds that constitute our national debt being “the same thing” as SS bonds is hogwash – since if any of THOSE bonds had been defaulted upon, there would have been consequences.

    The reason why no one reacted to a DEFAULT on those SS “bonds”, is because everyone, from the politicians to the financial markets, to the ratings agencies, to foreign governments, knows that calling them “bonds” is just a window dressing to make the gullible public feel better. No matter what they SAY to keep the public playing along, even the Democrats know they are worthless pieces of paper with no meaning.

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=189249

    Note that the pink line did not move much. In fact, it went down.

    It should have gone up – a lot – because the “Trust Funds” (you know, Social Security and Medicare?) that you folks on the left keep bleating about being “money good” and “actual debt” had a coupon payment from Treasury due yesterday.

    IT WAS NOT MADE.

    IF IT HAD BEEN, IT WOULD HAVE BLOWN THE DEBT LIMIT.

    That’s a default, and it instantaneously destroys both the claim that such activity is not “selective” or, if you prefer, “strategic” and it also destroys the argument that Medicare and Social Security Trust fund “debt” – not just public debt – is subject to the 14th Amendment and thus is “protected” against the Treasury choosing to blow it off.

    By the way if you’re curious about how much this should amount to (~$90 billion, more or less) have a look at the June 30th, 2010 DTS statement.

    Oh, and as for Geithner? He said that any default on any obligation would trigger an immediate market panic. Well, this did – straight up on the S&P and DOW. So much for Timmy’s lies.

    Have a nice day.

    They are LYING to you, turndown, and have been for years. Stop believing them.

  113. The money made on the city of Chicago’s legal issues by this attorney while in the city’s employ would never fly in the town where I live… Our Town’s attorney is salaried and when overwhelmed with work, outside attorneys are employed as temps to lighten the workload… Rahm is cutting the fat from his city’s overpaid employees which should have been done long ago in these bleak economic times… Amazing!
    ________________________

    Former top lawyer at City Hall follows Daley to Chicago law firm

    By FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter July 14, 2011

    Mara S. Georges, who was the city of Chicago’s longest-serving chief lawyer, is following her old boss, former Mayor Richard M. Daley, to a Chicago law firm that got $822,760 in legal fees from City Hall for work on Daley-engineered deals that privatized Chicago’s parking meters, the city’s downtown parking garages and the Chicago Skyway.

    Georges has joined Katten Muchin Rosenman as a partner, the firm announced Thursday. She was Daley’s corporation counsel at City Hall for 12 years.

    After leaving office, Daley joined the firm a month and a half ago in an “of counsel” position — a part-time role that typically involves legal “rainmaking,” or bringing in business.

    When it announced Daley’s hiring, Katten Muchin had said the former mayor wouldn’t be involved in any work involving the city or other agencies of local government. Announcing Georges’ hiring, the firm said she’ll advise clients “on matters involving federal, state and local levels of government on a variety of issues, including zoning, land use and planning.”

    “We have long admired Mara’s exemplary work on behalf of the city,” said Vincent A. F. Sergi, the firm’s national managing partner.

    Katten Muchin was the lead negotiator on the controversy-tinged, 75-year, $1.15 billion deal that privatized Chicago’s 36,000 parking meters. That deal drew widespread criticism for the way it was put in place and the steep schedule of parking-meter rate increases it brought.

    Katten Muchin was paid $662,760 for its work on that transaction — 49 percent of the legal fees on the deal.

    The firm also got $100,000 in legal fees from City Hall on the 99-year, $1.83 billion Skyway lease and $60,000 in fees from the city on the $563 million deal that privatized Chicago’s downtown parking garages.

    Katten Muchin has also been involved in city bond deals and other financial transactions for years, being paid a total of $3,675,262.54 over the past five years, city records show. Since February 2010, the firm has received $407,652 in direct-voucher payments from the city.

    As the city’s corporation counsel, Georges played a pivotal role in awarding that so-called pinstripe patronage.

    For 12 years, the Chicago native sat at Daley’s elbow on the rostrum at City Council meetings, often looking up in admiration when he spoke. When scandals hit, she was the aide Daley often trotted out to control the political damage.

    In 2006, her legal reputation took a beating when a federal judge dismissed as “incredible” the testimony Georges had given that she’d been unaware of City Hall hiring abuses until federal investigators raided the Mayor’s Office of Intergovernmental Affairs. In documents unsealed on the day Daley’s former patronage chief, Robert Sorich, and three others were convicted in that case, U.S. District Judge David Coar said he thought Georges had “put on blinders” when it came to the scheme to reward pro-Daley armies of political workers with jobs protected from the Shakman court decree banning political hiring.

    “With respect to…the corporation counsel’s office especially, the attitude seems to be: Put on the blinders and don’t look left or right,” the judge said.

    Previously, on New Year’s Eve 1999, Georges concluded that men — and not women — were running a maintenance company owned by the mob-connected Duff family and stripped the company, Windy City Maintenance, of its favored status as a certified woman-owned business. But Georges insisted there was no evidence of fraud because the ownership of the company evolved when family matriarch Patricia Green Duff gradually withdrew from the business due to illness.

    That conclusion took a beating when Duff’s son, James Duff, pleaded guilty to federal charges that accused him of engineering a massive fraud that deprived legitimate minority businesses of $100 million in contracts.

    Georges was embarrassed again in 2005 when a list of cooperating witnesses ended up in her hands, courtesy of an attorney representing Sorich. Federal prosecutors were furious. They were afraid the premature release of a list — which was supposed to be confidential — would have a chilling effect on their ability to convince others to cooperate. They also feared that cooperating employees still on the city payroll could be isolated, singled out for punishment or on-the-job harassment.

    Georges, whose father was an Illinois Appellate Court justice, started at City Hall in 1997 as the city’s No. 2 lawyer, to then-Corporation Counsel Brian Crowe. A protege of Crowe, she succeeded him when he went into private practice in 1999.

    During her record-setting tenure as the city’s top lawyer, Georges also spent time on the City Hall hot seat on issues ranging from the E2 nightclub disaster to the Lincoln Park porch collapse, and the midnight destruction of Meigs Field to the hiring of teenage building inspector.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/6509471-418/former-top-lawyer-at-city-hall-follows-daley-to-chicago-law-firm.html

  114. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Excellent post, and I agree with you. There is no pot of money sitting somewhere, it is either printed up or taxed, either way it affects the middle class the most.
    The SS projections are based on what is coming in, which is why the time to when it [SS] goes bankcrupt keeps shrinking. All the promises kept cannot be kept. Private companies cut back because they cannot print money which is why companies refuse to hire, the Fed govt on the other hand can just print more money, devalue the money, and it will be the middle class who will suffer.
    So the dems with their scare tactics really need to shut the hell up, either address the problem & show a solution or shut up, because the problem is there and approaching fast. There is still time, but that time is shrinking.

  115. tim, that is why I say it is so stupid for the Dems to keep insisting “there is no problem”. Because by doing that, they make it certain that the only ones coming up with a plan to FIX the problem are going to be the Republicans.

    I’d prefer to have other options, other plans out there to choose from besides Republican plans. But when the crisis hits, if the ONLY plans available are R ones, guess which plan we are going to get?

    The Democrats have abdicated their responsibility to do a GOOD “fix”, by persisting in the fantasy that we can just keep ticking along forever and no fix is needed. It gets them votes in the short term (which is why they do it), but is going to eat their lunch in the long term. We are going to get stuck with a crappy plan, because the Dems never bothered to propose one.

  116. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Agreed. and some of the repub solutions are good — especially growing the economy so there are more revunes coming in, the dems have nothing — on anything. I watched Chris Van Hollen on Fox News this morning bitching and moaning about “special tax cuts to the oil corporations”, these people really must think Americans are stupid, 3 billion in tax credits to oil corporations, fine get rid of those, THEN, get rid of the tax credit to GE – who heavily contributed to Waffles and dems & paid NO taxes — what the repubs want and I agree with it, get rid of all tax loopholes, and then reduce the overall tax rates to spur growth. With more revunes coming in, and shrinking the fed govt agencies itself, SS can be reformed to last longer, medicare can be made to last on a more stable footing.

    It truely amazes me, that these dem idiots have the same damn talking points, corporate jets, oil companies, and if all else fails…. racists!!

  117. I wonder what would happen if the SS recipients filed a class action law suit for the repayment of money borrow from the fund over the years, with interest. You can’t sue the government you say, well times have changed.

    The Los Alamos people who lost their homes in a government controlled burn which got out of hand were sure paid off.

    It is time that we go for our Money, and the time is NOW. We have a bunch of lawyers on the blog. Do we have any takers???

    Now I am sure we will hear from all the lawyers on the blog about how we cannot do this.

  118. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 10:11 am
    …The reason why no one reacted to a DEFAULT on those SS “bonds”, is because everyone, from the politicians to the financial markets, to the ratings agencies, to foreign governments, knows that calling them “bonds” is just a window dressing to make the gullible public feel better. No matter what they SAY to keep the public playing along, even the Democrats know they are worthless pieces of paper with no meaning.

    If it is not a bond what is it? It is a loan. A bond is a structured loan. A mortgage is a structured loan. Taking money that is mandatory withheld from paychecks (and matched by employers) for an express purpose and using for something else is fraud. Not repaying a loan is a default. So we are seeing fraud and default by a government against their own people. I plan on communicating this to my representative next week. If the US Treasury is doing this under the direction of the WH it is not only illegal but threatening all of our welfare.

  119. Oh, and the whole “fairness” thing is BS too. I have been in situations where I had to cut way back, and my kids didn’t like it one bit. That still didn’t change the reality. It mattered not one whit but…..but…..you PROMISED that I was going to be able to go to that camp next summer! You PROMISED that we’d build an addition and I’d get my own room! It is not FAIR that I now have to eat generic cereal! You PROMISED that I could take piano lessons!

    Things change. Finances change. Reality intrudes. Sincerely wanting to do more for my kids was not going to change the reality that the money simply wasn’t there.

    No, the federal govt is not going to be able to do everything it has ever promised or postulated to do. But that doesn’t mean that the kids get thrown out on the street, either! My beef with the Dems is that they keep denying the fiscal realities, and letting the R’s be the ones proposing deep cuts, which may not be the best ones.

    We have a spending problem. A severe one. And I’d love to see people who are most concerned with salvaging as much as possible for the public good doing hard negotiating on this. But they aren’t.

    To use my “kids” analogy above, we have one parent wanting to cut off lunch entirely (instead of merely changing from expensive pre-packaged to cheaper homemade brown-bag), and the other parent running around buying more, utterly denying there is serious spending problem at all.

    I’m disgusted with both of them.

  120. “The U.S. and allies are seeking better responses to acts of religious intolerance such as burnings of the Koran and cartoons that mock the Prophet Muhammad.”

    Fine start with Hollywood and its excessive use of G** Damn. An affront to Christians and Jews.

  121. NMF,

    I wonder what would happen if the SS recipients filed a class action law suit for the repayment of money borrow from the fund over the years, with interest. You can’t sue the government you say, well times have changed.

    The Supreme Court has already ruled ages ago that the SS fund is not a pension, and never was. That SS contributions are a TAX, just like any other tax. The government is perfectly free to spend it any way they want, and to change where it goes. You are not contributing to anything you “own”. The money is NOT yours, and never has been. Legally it is NO different from general funds.

    Again, the federal government in both parties has been LYING TO US for decades and decades. What they SAY to the public has no bearing whatsoever on the way the fund is legally structured. None.

  122. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Agreed. I posted a link some months back, in the “Healthcare” bill, this was confirmed.

  123. Mormaer, you are operating on the false assumption that the contract into which the public entered actually was what you were TOLD it was.

    It wasn’t. Written contracts consist of what is actually written on the piece of paper, not what someone told you it said. There is no legal recourse when what is on the piece of paper says what it says, but you complain that you were TOLD something different.

    It’s no different from any other law. Politicians can tell the public “This law will do X”. They may be lying through their teeth. Or not telling you the whole truth. But once the law is passed, the law does what is spelled out in writing in the legislation itself, not whatever fairytales were spun by those pushing it. Obama can run around the country saying “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” all day long, but unless that piece of paper guarantees it in writing, you are an idiot to believe him. If you end up not being able to keep your doctor, you cannot go SUE Obama because he said you could. The law doesn’t give a shit what anyone SAID – it only cares what is in the legislation in reality.

  124. In other words, Moramaer, you were TOLD that those funds were withheld “for an express purpose”. But according to the legal fine print, they never were. There has never been any legal requirement that those funds are in any way separate in reality. Oh, they did some accounting gimmicks to maintain the facade that they were.

    But there is absolutely nothing in the law that requires the govt to treat SS funds as a separate entity. Nothing.

  125. Clinton Set to Cheer on U.S. Women’s Team in World Cup Final

    By Nicole Gaouette – Jul 17, 2011

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be rooting for the U.S. women’s team as they face off against Japan tonight in a bid to win a record third Women’s World Cup soccer title.

    “I am going to be watching” on television, Clinton told Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou during a visit to Athens today. “I’m so excited. I am so proud of the U.S. women.”

    Clinton’s daughter Chelsea will be part of the official delegation led by Jill Biden, the wife of Vice President Joe Biden, in Frankfurt, Germany, to watch the final match.

    “We have a really good cheering section and I’ve just got the highest hopes that this great team, which has such resilience, will be coming back and winning for the U.S.,” Clinton said.

    The U.S. reached the final four after having a player sent off against Brazil in the quarterfinals and scoring a goal with seconds remaining in extra time to tie the game and force a penalty shootout, which it won 5-3. The game drew the largest big-market audience for a tournament game in 12 years, according to ESPN. The U.S. beat France 3-1 in the semi-final.

    “The game that they played against Brazil, which Bill and I watched on the Internet, was one of the best soccer games I’ve ever seen,” Clinton said.

    The U.S. last played for the title when it won its second World Cup in 1999 on a penalty shootout against China. Japan joins China as the only Asian nations to reach the final of the quadrennial tournament.

    Clinton’s stop in Greece is her second on a globe-spanning 12-day trip that will take her to India, Indonesia, Hong Kong and China. She has already spent two days in Turkey.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-17/clinton-set-to-cheer-on-u-s-women-s-team-in-world-cup-final.html

  126. The following article is from last Thursday but still very relevant, in my humble opinion…

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    Barack’s bumbling breakdown

    Adolescent walkout reveals president’s desire to manufacture calamity

    By Jeffrey T. Kuhner
    The Washington Times
    Thursday, July 14, 2011

    President Obama is on the verge of a crackup. The debt-limit talks are beginning to take their toll. On Wednesday, the president stormed out of a meeting with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. Like a petulant adolescent, Mr. Obama blamed the Virginia Republican for opposing a “grand bargain.”

    Yet Mr. Obama is to blame for the current political crisis. He refused to engage in discussions about lifting the debt ceiling until very late in the process. He has not been serious about controlling runaway deficits. In fact, the budget he proposed earlier this year dramatically boosted federal spending. It was voted down in the Senate 97-0. Even Democrats considered it irresponsible and reckless.

    Mr. Obama has buried America under a mountain of debt. His claim to be above partisan bickering, a supposedly frustrated patriotic statesman who is worried about our long-term debt bomb, is preposterous; it is merely a charade. He is playing to the TV cameras.

    For weeks, the administration has argued that unless the government’s borrowing authority is lifted, Uncle Sam will default after Aug. 2, leading to economic turmoil – and maybe fiscal collapse. Mr. Obama even has played the Grandma card, threatening seniors with not receiving their Social Security benefits.

    “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on Aug. 3 if we haven’t resolved this issue,” he told CBS News. “Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

    This is shameless demagoguery. The president knows full well that Washington will continue to take in more than enough to pay easily for Social Security as well as other basic government services – including the financing of our debt. The sky will not fall if an agreement is not reached by Aug. 2. At worst, there may be a partial government shutdown, but that would take several weeks. Hence, the GOP – and the nation – should not be bull-rushed into accepting any deal.

    The reason for Mr. Obama’s political – and perhaps psychological – disintegration is a simple one: He is in a corner. He wants a “big” deal,” one that would slash $4 trillion from the deficit over 10 years. In particular, he insists on huge, $1 trillion tax increases, which would deliver a death blow to the staggering economy and most probably send it into a depression. Moreover, he has publicly vowed that he will veto short-term debt-limit raises coupled with equal spending cuts. In short, he has boxed himself into a my-way-or-the-highway negotiating strategy.

    Republicans understand that agreeing to any new taxes would violate their seminal campaign pledge. House Republican fiscal hawks are right to insist on a short-term deal that makes any increase in the debt ceiling contingent upon accompanying spending reductions. This would avoid destructive tax increases, force the administration to accept substantial cuts and call Mr. Obama’s bluff. Either he vetoes the House GOP-backed bill and throws America into default – for which he will be solely blamed – or he capitulates, signs the legislation and is exposed as a political weakling. This is why Mr. Obama exploded at Mr. Cantor and walked out. He is desperately trying to bully Republicans into breaking their promise to voters.

    “I have reached the point where I say enough,” Mr. Obama said, according to Reuters news agency. “Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I’ve reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this.”

    If that’s the case, Republicans should let him go down. Mr. Obama’s refusal to contemplate a short-term deal reveals that he wants permanent higher revenues – tax increases – to finance his entitlement society. This has been his Machiavellian plan all along. If that’s not possible, he then wants the other debt-limit option: a blank check. Raise the ceiling without any cuts.

    That is what SenateGOP leader Mitch McConnell plans to give him. The Republicans are the Palestinians of American politics: They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. With Mr. Obama on the ropes, Mr. McConnell is throwing in the towel. He argues that any agreement with the president is impossible and the GOP will be politically eviscerated if there is a government shutdown. Therefore, Mr. McConnell is putting forth a convoluted plan that would enable Mr. Obama to vote himself three successive debt-ceiling increases totaling $2.5 trillion – enough to get the government past the 2012 election – without Republican votes. The minority leader thinks this will make the president own the debt-limit issue. The record deficits, the skyrocketing debt, the addiction to spending – all of this clearly would be pinned on Mr. Obama.

    Mr. McConnell is wrong. The GOP rightly will be blamed by its base and independents for selling out. America can no longer sustain its borrowing-and-spending binge: We are going broke. If Republicans cannot block Mr. Obama’s voracious socialist appetites, what good are they? A blank check would dangerously rack up the debt, demoralize the Tea Party and cripple the GOP’s credibility as champions of fiscal responsibility and small government. It easily could spark a third-party movement.

    Mr. McConnell’s proposal enables Mr. Obama to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. The president is in free fall. He is a victim of his own colossal hubris and incompetence. Don’t throw him a lifeline.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/14/baracks-bumbling-breakdown/

  127. “He argues that any agreement with the president is impossible and the GOP will be politically eviscerated if there is a government shutdown”

    Mcconnell must be dumber than I thought, the reason why so many fiscal repubs were elected in 2010 is a reason that still exists. The debt has not been reduced, the defecit has not been reduced, the burdens on businesses has been increased, and there is no plan presented by the dems, other than borrowing more to spend on things we cannot afford.
    Why in the world would indepedent minded americans blame repubs? There will be no country left if spending is not reduced.
    This is not 1995, and only thing I would agree with Mcconnell on is that the best stimulus this country can have is eviction of Waffles next year, which by then we will be at 100% of debt to GDP ratio.

  128. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    My problem with that is, the middle have been sacrificing, and giving, and taking the hits repeatedly. It is that section who can no longer own a home, or borrow money to put their kids through college, and I could go on and on.

    The argument that you cannot tax the wealthy because you limit job growth is absolute nonesense, and unfounded. If you want to encourage job growth, then give tax breaks to the business who are actually creating jobs in the US, and look out for all the creative math, and other was of cheating that figure.

    That then would be a way the wealthy can reduce their tax burden, but it would also be a way small business could. You tax the wealth at the same rate the rest of us are taxed, and them give them only tax relief if they prove the premise that they do in actually create jobs. What is wrong with that? Of course, those not creating jobs would pay taxes like the rest of that. I see nothing wrong with that either.

  129. Gallup on 7-17-11

    Obama approval 42%
    Obama disapproval 50%

    Off now to get ready for the soccer game go USA!!!

  130. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 11:29 am
    Then we are well and truly &*@$ed! I am starting to think we are seeing genocide being planned out and duly reported by the slavering press with platitudes and alarm. Torches and pitchforks anyone?

  131. “The argument that you cannot tax the wealthy because you limit job growth is absolute nonesense, and unfounded.”

    And I can tell as a small business owner, that is utter baloney. Let me explain how crappy it is for a small business, most file as S corps, meaning as essentially individuals, the paper will say they earned say 700, 800, 900K, 1M (millionaires according to Waffles), BUT most, if not all of that is gone into paying employees, the insurance, the rent, and all sorts of regulations garbage. You will find more and more small businesses, if they survive, hire contractors, it is getting very expensive to hire a permanent employee.

    Big corporations are like a govt beauracarcy, they have lobbyists, they have lawyers, they have many CPAs, they still bonds to fund themselves, small businesses have none of this. If taxes are increased over 250K, you will see a landslide of small businesses go out of businesses — the margins are usually pretty narrow to begin with, in the last 3 years, since 2008, they have become even more narrow.

    And I hear idiots on TV say “well ObamaCare can’t be used as an excuse for not hiring, those regulations are years away”.
    BULLCHIT.

    Smaller businesses have no where near the margins or a buffer that big businesses do, if you know expenses are going up in the future, you just don’t know what form its going to take, why in the world would you expand the business, this is not about access to credit as much as people think (although, in fairness I know some businesses who are worried about it), it is more that if a business is in business to make a profit, not to “spread the wealth”, there is no sane business that in their right mind will hire someone for a tax credit, they will hire is there is need to expand their business, to grow it. And if you know expenses are going up, why would a small business expand unless they are absolutely sure they need that next employee, you will make do with what you have, hold on to your business even tighter, and be very conservative in your outlook for your biz.

    This is what happens when the country is run by a bunch of buffoons who have never taken an economics class, have no idea how a business runs or grows, and in their liberal minds profits (not crony capitalism) is a bad word. This is why wall st has so many limoseine liberals, they don’t go out of business, they get made whole again, but average small, medium sized business, well they go out of business, while the Buffets and Goldmans of the US lecture everyone how taxes have to go up on the rich — its the middle class and small business, etc who will be paying for the bailout, privatise the profits, spread & socialize the losses, and then to rub salt into to, lecture them on how the need to pay higher taxes.

  132. Obama approval 42%
    Obama disapproval 50%

    =========================

    Thanks for making my afternoon.

  133. for the Dems to keep insisting “there is no problem”.

    ==================

    HILLARY said there is no problem.

    Hillary said there is no problem with SS itself. She said what’s needed is to improve the overall economy so there will be more revenue coming in.

  134. This is one of the very best non-partisan articles I’ve read in a long time. This articles is suitable for framing..
    _____________________

    JanH
    July 17th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    The following article is from last Thursday but still very relevant, in my humble opinion…

    ——————–

    Barack’s bumbling breakdown

    Adolescent walkout reveals president’s desire to manufacture calamity

    By Jeffrey T. Kuhner
    The Washington Times
    Thursday, July 14, 2011
    _________________

    “Mr. Obama has buried America under a mountain of debt. His claim to be above partisan bickering, a supposedly frustrated patriotic statesman who is worried about our long-term debt bomb, is preposterous; it is merely a charade. He is playing to the TV cameras.

    For weeks, the administration has argued that unless the government’s borrowing authority is lifted, Uncle Sam will default after Aug. 2, leading to economic turmoil – and maybe fiscal collapse. Mr. Obama even has played the Grandma card, threatening seniors with not receiving their Social Security benefits.

    “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on Aug. 3 if we haven’t resolved this issue,” he told CBS News. “Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

    This is shameless demagoguery. The president knows full well that Washington will continue to take in more than enough to pay easily for Social Security as well as other basic government services – including the financing of our debt. The sky will not fall if an agreement is not reached by Aug. 2. At worst, there may be a partial government shutdown, but that would take several weeks. Hence, the GOP – and the nation – should not be bull-rushed into accepting any deal.

    The reason for Mr. Obama’s political – and perhaps psychological – disintegration is a simple one: He is in a corner. He wants a “big” deal,” one that would slash $4 trillion from the deficit over 10 years. In particular, he insists on huge, $1 trillion tax increases, which would deliver a death blow to the staggering economy and most probably send it into a depression. Moreover, he has publicly vowed that he will veto short-term debt-limit raises coupled with equal spending cuts. In short, he has boxed himself into a my-way-or-the-highway negotiating strategy.

    Republicans understand that agreeing to any new taxes would violate their seminal campaign pledge. House Republican fiscal hawks are right to insist on a short-term deal that makes any increase in the debt ceiling contingent upon accompanying spending reductions. This would avoid destructive tax increases, force the administration to accept substantial cuts and call Mr. Obama’s bluff. Either he vetoes the House GOP-backed bill and throws America into default – for which he will be solely blamed – or he capitulates, signs the legislation and is exposed as a political weakling. This is why Mr. Obama exploded at Mr. Cantor and walked out. He is desperately trying to bully Republicans into breaking their promise to voters.

    “I have reached the point where I say enough,” Mr. Obama said, according to Reuters news agency. “Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I’ve reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this.”

    If that’s the case, Republicans should let him go down. Mr. Obama’s refusal to contemplate a short-term deal reveals that he wants permanent higher revenues – tax increases – to finance his entitlement society. This has been his Machiavellian plan all along. If that’s not possible, he then wants the other debt-limit option: a blank check. Raise the ceiling without any cuts.

    That is what SenateGOP leader Mitch McConnell plans to give him. The Republicans are the Palestinians of American politics: I say, they are imports from the days of political strife in Rome leading to it’s downfall. They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. With Mr. Obama on the ropes, Mr. McConnell is throwing in the towel. He argues that any agreement with the president is impossible and the GOP will be politically eviscerated if there is a government shutdown. Therefore, Mr. McConnell is putting forth a convoluted plan that would enable Mr. Obama to vote himself three successive debt-ceiling increases totaling $2.5 trillion – enough to get the government past the 2012 election – without Republican votes. The minority leader thinks this will make the president own the debt-limit issue. The record deficits, the skyrocketing debt, the addiction to spending – all of this clearly would be pinned on Mr. Obama.

    Mr. McConnell is wrong. The GOP rightly will be blamed by its base and independents for selling out. America can no longer sustain its borrowing-and-spending binge: We are going broke. If Republicans cannot block Mr. Obama’s voracious socialist appetites, what good are they? A blank check would dangerously rack up the debt, demoralize the Tea Party and cripple the GOP’s credibility as champions of fiscal responsibility and small government.<i It easily could spark a third-party movement. Darn right it will- throw both sides to the wolves and Vote Third Party. The choice will be an easy one for voters. If Palin runs or if Hillary steps in at the 11th hour, either one will be a shoe-in for possession of the throne.

    Mr. McConnell’s proposal enables Mr. Obama to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. The president is in free fall. He is a victim of his own colossal hubris and incompetence. Don’t throw him a lifeline.”
    ______________

    Obama thinks of himself as ROCKY VIII- fearless and powerful as he never misses a chance with a resounding reminder: “I AM THE PRESIDENT”… to me this commemorates echoes of NIXON.. and hopefully, a fast exit and good riddance in a Marine helicopter at the ready on the WH lawn.

  135. tim
    July 17th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    =================

    Small business owners are not “the wealthy.”

  136. Mrs. Smith
    July 17th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    I do not in any way minimizze the contributions Hillary and Bill have made or the respect I have for her accomplishments. However, she does have the choice to resume a more “normal” private life and I more and more believe she has made that choice and that short of the D party begging her to run that she is moving on.

  137. Carol,

    I believe that Hillary is holding her cards close to her chest. Yes she is leaving at the end of her first term as SOS. And she will probably be taking a well deserved rest for a little while. After that though, I can see her championing women rights, human rights, and on and on. Possibly building her own humanitarian empire like Bill.

    At the same time, if obama destroys the party, and it certainly looks like this will be his one and only accomplishment, then those in the party who declared her “enemy of state” may well get down on their hands and knees and beg her to come back and save them from oblivion.

    There are so many different scenarios I can see taking place that I’m not giving up on her yet. 🙂

  138. No one even noticed other than a few financial blogs.

    ==================

    Lack of chattering class reaction to something does not mean it is legal.

    “What the fine print actually says” — is whatever the current PTB* or the current SC SAYS it says.

    In 2000, Gore wanted to put SS funds “in a lockbox”, so apparently some fine print needs to be tightened up. So what we need to do is tweak the fine print till the storage vault MATCHES “what we’ve been told” — rather than dismantle the system.

    *PTB = Powers That Be

  139. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    turndown, SS used to be self-funding (apart from the stealing), but it will not be for much longer.

    It is not possible, with the aging of the baby boomers, the reduced number of young people vs. the number of retired people, and COL adjustments, for it to pay its own way anymore. It does not take in as much as it pays out. Nowhere close. Not anymore.

    ==============

    I don’t believe that SS needs to be restructured, I do think gov. needs to not see it’s funding as part of their golden goose.

    If the age is raise, the only voters I will not feel bad for are Obots that put this jackass in office.

  140. “Small business owners are not “the wealthy.””

    The only time I am going to respond, you really do not seem to understand how the dems are categorzing wealthy, when you file as a S corp (most small biz), it is essentially as an indiv, so small businesses, 250K and up, which many small businesses fall under, are considered “wealthy”. As for Buffet who uses the same stupid line about paying less taxes than his secretary, that too is utter bullcrap, he takes no salary from Bershire, which he CHOOSE –hence the 15% in taxes he keeps touting, BUT his entire income is from dividends in Bershire, where he pays closer to 40% in taxes.

  141. Mormaer

    Torches and pitchforks anyone?

    ———-
    Yup.
    Got the matches and sharpening the tips.

  142. JanH
    July 17th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Carol,

    I believe that Hillary is holding her cards close to her chest.
    __________________

    Absolutely! Assigning the label of ‘abandoning US’ was an insult to a woman who has never stopped facilitating the betterment of the country. And a premature inappropriate assessment to let stand without comment.

  143. how the dems are categorzing wealthy

    ================

    As with ‘Ryan’s budget’, there are two different issues. One is what it says on the surface, and the other is what it will probably be used as an excuse for if it is accepted.

    Yes, the Dems talk about ‘taxing the wealthy’ but tweak the fine print to tax the non-wealthy also. Ryan talks about his SS/Med plan not affecting anyone now over 55, but soon it will probably get tweaked to affect more and more seniors.

    But this doesn’t invalidate the basic concept of taxing those who are really wealthy by our standards, ie those who do most of their investing overseas anyway. Nor the basic concept of letting people now under 55 do something different with their own retirement money.

  144. tim
    July 17th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    “The argument that you cannot tax the wealthy because you limit job growth is absolute nonsense, and unfounded.”

    ————
    Not even the urber rich believe this bullshit, but it works for their cause like screaming ‘racist’ does for the black community.

    Money in America is not gone, the fat cats are sitting on it and not hiring or investing because they are playing poker with the working class.

    Know when to HOLD ‘um, know when to fold ‘um.

    Baracko pretends to be playing for the middle and lower class, but he folds like a cheap suit before anyone else plays their cards.

    In this game, Baracko has used chips of the future and the rich can no longer see the playing table with the wall of chips they have accumulated…

    The only chips voters still have left is their vote. One measly little vote…that could be stolen or overruled by the DNC.

  145. Hillary has not given up in politics, she will only run when she knows she will not get stabbed in the back again by her own party.

  146. On Fox the other night and Trump has also said this, that Barry is ‘playing the stronger’ position in the negotiations.

    Barry is throwing SS and seniors under the bus as his bargaining chip, while the Republican’s are split.

    The ‘established’ Rethugs (like Boner) will make a smaller compromise with Barry to help the upper class and corporations while the Tea Party Rethugs will not concede unless the budget is stripped to the bone.

    The weakness for the Rethugs is the split.
    The weakness for the Dims is Barry and his ability to fold against his own base.

  147. Legally [SS] is NO different from general funds

    =================

    Then if there is ever a problem with SS cashflow, the benefits should be PAID out of general funds.

    If it is all one pool, you can’t have a one-way valve in it, such that SS Trust Fund is fair game, but general funds are sacred and if SS ever needs to draw, that means “SS has failed.” (Cf “What’s mine is mine; what’s yours is negotiable.”)

  148. Money in America is not gone, the fat cats are sitting on it and not hiring or investing because they are playing poker with the working class.

    ———-

    Oh, baloney. I mean, really? All those employers out there are engaged in some kind of political game? They are refusing to invest or hire just to be asses?

    Gimme a break. They are not hiring or investing because it is not to their economic advantage to do so, period. Companies downsize, liquidate what they can, and amass as much cash as they can during tough or uncertain economic times. Then they sit on it. They do not jump back in to the economy until they are certain that it is a good long-term investment for them.

    That is entirely normal and predictable behavior for businesses, and they have ALWAYS reacted this way. It’s nothing new, and it’s nothing spooky or nefarious or ill-intended. It is the way the world and the economy works.

    You cannot FORCE companies to do jack squat. Or actually you can, but every time it’s been tried, like in the Soviet Union, it’s been an abysmal failure. The only thing you can do is enact economic policies that make it PROFITABLE for businesses to expand and hire. And if they are providing jobs and prosperity in the process, then hurrah!

    I would rather live in a country where the CEO’s make a gazillion dollars, and the middle and lowest paid workers make 30,000 to 100,000, than in a country where the “gap” that everyone touts in not so large, and CEO’s make 500,000 and the workers make 20,000. It’s so much “fairer” on paper, but it sure does SUCK.

    If you are more interested in some esoteric “fairness” than in the actual measurable quality of people’s lives, then go ahead and pursue policies that “punish” that greedy private sector. And you can FEEL very smug and righteous and justified that you really SHOWED those bastards who was boss, as the unemployment rate continues to climb.

    Me, I’d rather have the damn jobs.

  149. If it is all one pool, you can’t have a one-way valve in it, such that SS Trust Fund is fair game, but general funds are sacred and if SS ever needs to draw, that means “SS has failed.”

    I agree completely. The problem is that in order to do that, the Dems are going to have to give up the fantasy that it’s a separate pool of money. And SS obligations are going to have to be considered part of overall obligations, instead of off-balance-sheet, some separate thing.

    Therein lies the rub. Because if they admit that, it becomes clear just how badly our govt has screwed us over with completely unsustainable debt. And Americans will have to make some hard choices about what we can actually afford to have the govt do. MOST Americans would be willing to cut off half the other damn programs in the federal government in order to preserve the social safety net in some form. But we can’t even have that conversation of “what do we want, and how much are we willing to pay for it?” while they play these smoke and mirror accounting games.

    Is every person in the USA willing to have their taxes go up in order to keep the retirement age and benefits as-is forever and ever? Because you are not going to be able to get that much money from merely “the rich”. True, the rich are wealthy, but there are not that many of them. You get more revenue by taking 10% of the income of millions than by taking 70% of the income of a handful.

    What do we want? How much is it going to cost? And how will we pay for it? Maybe we are all willing to pay more. Or maybe we decide that while we want a social safety net, we are okay with raising the retirement age a few years once it becomes evident how much we are going to have to pay for it.

    That conversation is not happening. We are bounced between one side looking for an excuse to tear it all down, and another side telling us all that we can have whatever we want and someone else is going to pay for it all. BOTH sides are full of crap. Grow the fuck up.

  150. Mrs. Smith
    July 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    I stand by my statement…its my point of view….no need to get offensive.

  151. TDO said:
    If it is all one pool, you can’t have a one-way valve in it, such that SS Trust Fund is fair game, but general funds are sacred and if SS ever needs to draw, that means “SS has failed.”

    H4T said:
    I agree completely. The problem is that in order to do that, the Dems are going to have to give up the fantasy that it’s a separate pool of money. And SS obligations are going to have to be considered part of overall obligations, instead of off-balance-sheet, some separate thing.

    TDO:
    Well, I meant that as a reducio, or a looping lemma, or something. I mean you can’t (morally or practically) dump the seniors on either premise.

    However, we can save them on either premise too, with money out of the general fund if necessary. On your one pool premise, SS can draw gf like any other expense. On the traditional two pool premise, we use gf money to pay back what the gf has borrowed from SS (Hillary’s solution).

    Look, nobody would be attacking SS unless they expected to get some money from the attack — money which would otherwise go to seniors. That’s the ball we need to keep our eyes on, imo. This debate about the premises just takes energy away from what we really need to do, which is improve the economy — as Hillary said.

  152. HillaryforTexas
    July 15th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
    …. The race card has been so overplayed that quite frankly, I could give a shit anymore about “the black community”. I may care about individual black persons, and will call out actual racism when I see it, but I’ll no longer lift a finger for some symbolic entity of the victimized “community”. They can talk to me about support when THEY get over race, because evidently almost everyone has except them. Most sane black people I know are fleeing that fucking plantation as fast as they can, anyway.

    —————————-

    Right on the nose.

  153. Tough loss for USA Womens’s Soccer…happy at least for Japan as they have been through a lot.

  154. #
    Shadowfax
    July 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Hillary has not given up in politics, she will only run when she knows she will not get stabbed in the back again by her own party.
    _____________________

    Shadow, the point of contention from the provocateur is “Hillary has abandoned US”- not politics or her job or Bill or anything but us… She provides a quote Hillary is done… done what? Done how? nada.. then whines when called on it…as if she speaks for Hillary or us… poppycock!

  155. President Obama making personal announcement in Rose Garden tomorrow afternoon – NBC News

    oooh WTF. Did they spell it wrong, Personal or Personnel?

    Hopefully a resignation. Lol.

  156. HillaryforTexas
    July 17th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Money in America is not gone, the fat cats are sitting on it and not hiring or investing because they are playing poker with the working class.

    ———-

    Oh, baloney. I mean, really? All those employers out there are engaged in some kind of political game? They are refusing to invest or hire just to be asses?
    ———-
    Did you think I just pulled this out of my hat?

    I can’t count the times that Republican’s on Fox have said that the business community will not hire or invest in this unstable economy. I am not talking about the little businesses that are going belly up, but the big employers and those with the purse strings in our country.

  157. “Tough loss for USA Womens’s Soccer…happy at least for Japan as they have been through a lot.”

    Well, Barry did tweet about them before the game, anything he touches turns to a loss.

  158. Obama driven out of the WH into the thorn bushes because:

    He’s stuck with millions of mercury laden energy efficient light bulbs you need to handle wearing a Hazmat suit if they break!
    _________________________

    House turns off light bulb standards by voice vote

    The House on Friday morning moved to block federal light bulb efficiency standards without even a roll call vote.

    An amendment from Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Texas) defunding the Energy Department’s standards for traditional incandescent light bulbs to be 30 percent more energy efficient starting next year was approved rather anticlimactically by voice vote.

    The success of the amendment appeared inevitable in the House, where the fate of the incandescent light bulb became a symbol in the fight against federal regulations.

    Democrats and the White House have opposed the move to block the standards, which were included in a 2007 energy bill signed by President George W. Bush. DOE has said the standards could save consumers $6 billion a year.

    Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) got majority support — 233 votes — for a stand-alone bill repealing the efficiency standards Tuesday, though that fell well short of the two-thirds it needed to pass under expedited floor rules. Only five Democrats voted for Barton’s bill after House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi whipped Democrats against it. Ten Republicans opposed the measure on the floor.

    The Burgess amendment would have only needed majority support in a roll call vote.

    more here:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59093.html

  159. “said that the business community will not hire or invest in this unstable economy. ”

    I have heard that as well, but I do not think its for political gain, it is all profit drive for all businesses, when they see demand and a chance to expand, they will hire more people and expand, but with more regulations, more taxes on the horizon, businesses of all sizes have to very careful, be very conservative in their economic views, hence everyone is sitting on the sidelines.
    The big difference, big corporations can hire overseas, hence their profits continue to go up– but there is no/little hiring in Americans, so their stock on the NYSE goes up but not many americans hired here (i.e. a jobless recovery), now small businesses are all based in America, we all hire here, but we don’t have the level of capital that big biz do to expand, we have no where near that level of money to expand, so when the regualtions, higher taxes comes, we have to lay people off or go out of business.

  160. Shadowfax
    July 17th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    You are missing my point. Read what I wrote. I did not deny that large businesses are sitting on profits. I denied that it was “a political game” they were playing. I disputed that they were all evil, wrong, unfair, and “playing poker with the middle class” as their motivation.

    That’s nonsense. They are not investing and hiring for very logical economic reasons, not because they have a secret plot to destroy us all.

  161. Well, Barry did tweet about them before the game, anything he touches turns to a loss.
    =================

    true!!!!

  162. Hooray, jbstonesfan!

    A positive comment from you! :doing the happy dance:

    jbstonesfan
    July 17th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Obama approval 42%
    Obama disapproval 50%

    =========================

    Thanks for making my afternoon.

    Also, agreed about Japan. If the US women’s team HAD to lose then Japan, with everything that country has endured the past six months, was a great alternative victor.

    Both teams are amazing.

  163. “Well, Barry did tweet about them before the game, anything he touches turns to a loss.”

    Please tell me that is a joke and that the President of the United States is not tweeting!!!!!

  164. I did not deny that large businesses are sitting on profits. I denied that it was “a political game” they were playing. I disputed that they were all evil, wrong, unfair, and “playing poker with the middle class” as their motivation.

    That’s nonsense. They are not investing and hiring for very logical economic reasons, not because they have a secret plot to destroy us all.

    =================

    Reasonable, though a bargaining advantage against labor may be ONE of their reasons.

    Now, to dispute your idea that “the federal government in both parties has been LYING TO US for decades and decades” about the SS Trust Fund because they had a secret plot to deceive us all. That’s just as far-fetched.

    You think FDR lied about it? Bill Clinton lied about it? Bush Jr lied about it, even while trying to privatize it?

    Sorry, but that’s tinfoil. What’s more likely is that the GOP and other rightwingers are “LYING TO US” now because they want to default, and Obama is lying to us (as usual) because his backers have been after SS for a decade or two themselves.

  165. This President is cracking UP! Rather than take responsibility for his poor decision making in improving the economy and fostering job creation; he is looking for another Bail-Out by Taxpayers to fill the budget gaps he created by not making the best use of the money spent stimulating the economy without developing a successful plan for growth further on down the road.
    ___________________________

    Obama: 80% of Americans want higher taxes

    Obama: Public is ‘sold’ on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    The Hill

    By Sam Youngman and Alicia M. Cohn – 07/15/11

    President Obama on Friday kept up the pressure on Republicans to agree to revenue increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats’ demand for tax increases.

    “The American people are sold,” Obama said. “The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically.”

    Throughout the press conference, Obama blasted Republicans for ignoring what he said is the will of the American people by rejecting tax increases that would balance out spending cuts in a debt package.

    “This is not an issue of salesmanship to the American people,” Obama said. (Oh-No… where do you think you are, Chicago?)

    “I hope [Republicans are] not just listening to lobbyists and special interests … I hope they’re listening to the American people as well,” Obama said, citing “poll after poll” showing Republican voters, as well as Democrats, believe in taking “a balanced approach” — including both increased revenues and spending cuts in a plan to cut the deficit. (Increased revenues coming from the CORPORATE sector, the Wall St. Sector, The Banking Sector- Military spending. The villains who put the Tax Payer in this financial morass.)

    Obama repeated his warning that the country is “running out of time” to avert a financial “Armageddon.”

    “We should not even be this close on a deadline,” Obama said. “This is something we should have accomplished earlier.” (there is no “we” when referring to US- It’s all you and the Democrat lead Congress.)

    The president’s press conference came the day after he wrapped up debt-ceiling negotiations at the White House and gave congressional leaders 24 to 36 hours to consult with members on a possible compromise. Obama is pushing for a sweeping package that would save $4 trillion over 10 years.

    Obama said he is still pushing for a “big” deal to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline despite the hardening of positions on Capitol Hill.

    “I always have hope,” Obama said. “Don’t you remember my campaign?” ( We remember your campaign. Historically has been a pack of LIES sold to the Public as Hope and Change.)

    The president signaled he is opposed to the “Cut, Cap and Balance” proposal that House Republicans coalesced around Friday morning, and he challenged the GOP to “be ambitious” in proposing a package to cut the deficit.

    “If they show me a serious plan, I’m ready to move, even if it requires some tough sacrifices on my part,” Obama said.

    Republicans in the House rallied Friday behind an effort to cut spending, cap spending in future years and pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.

    “We asked the president to lead, we asked him to put forward a plan, not a speech — a real plan — and he hasn’t. We will,” Speaker John Boehner said (R-Ohio) before Obama’s press conference.

    The plan would authorize a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling after Congress passes a balanced-budget amendment.

    The president said he had not studied the new Republican proposal, but said it “doesn’t sound like a serious plan to me.” (When does he plan to do this? After the election? Can’t keep up with changes made to the plan?)

    Obama also shot down GOP calls for a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution, saying “we don’t need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs.”

    As he has done since last week, the president challenged Republicans to pursue the biggest plan possible, seizing an “opportunity to stabilize American’s finances” for the next 10, 15 or 20 years. (sounds like Obama is giving birth to another Big Lie-)

    Noting the acknowledgment by Republican leaders that the debt ceiling has to be raised, Obama said that they should not stop at the “routine” decision to increase the government’s borrowing authority.

    “I’m glad the congressional leaders want to raise the debt ceiling, but I think the American people expect more,” Obama said.

    The president has repeatedly called for negotiators to put politics aside even as the negotiations have increasingly been framed through the lens of the 2012 election.

    Obama said he was hopeful that the leaders would step back from trying to please their base constituencies and move on the debt ceiling, reducing the deficit and other economic agenda items.

    “Whatever Sen. [Mitch] McConnell [R-Ky.] says about me on the floor of the Senate is not going to be an impediment to us getting a deal done,” Obama said. “You know, the question is going to be whether at any given moment we’re willing to set politics aside at least briefly in order to get something done. (So, show us the numbers. Be specific. Where are the savings at no additional cost to the Taxpayer.)

    He continued: “Surely we can come up with a compromise to solve those problems. So there will be huge differences between now and November 2012 between the parties. And whoever the Republican nominee is, you know, we’re going to have a big, serious debate about what we believe is the right way to guide America forward and to win the future. And I’m confident that I will win that debate.”

    “And I think increasingly the American people are going to say to themselves, you know what? If a party or a politician is constantly taking the position ‘my way or the highway,’ constantly being locked into, you know, ideologically rigid positions, that you know, we’re going to remember at the polls,” Obama said.

    Obama didn’t rule out the fall-back plan proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a national default.

    “It is constructive to say that if Washington operates as usual and can’t get anything done, let’s at least avert Armageddon,” he said. However, Obama said he wanted to address the deeper debt issues.

    “I have not seen a credible plan … that would allow you to get to $2.4 trillion [in savings] without really hurting ordinary folks,” he said.

    The president said voters are paying attention to “who seems to be trying to get something done” in the high-stakes negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.

    “It’s going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression,” he said.

    Video at link: Over 5100 comments..

    almost ALL against Obama’s bamboozle proposal.

    People are very, very, ANGRY at him.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/171743-obama-public-sold-on-tax-increases-in-debt-ceiling-deal?page=1#comments

  166. tim
    July 17th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
    Congratulations Japan, a well played game on both sides.
    *******
    You are too nice

  167. Such a gracious lady and wonderful U.S. representative

    —————-

    Fimes.gr: Hillary Clinton – George Papandreou

  168. Finally some clear figures on the debt ceiling ‘crisis’:

    We have the $200 billion coming into the federal government every month. [….] we have $35 billion that we must use to service the debt, $50 billion that we must use to write those Social Security checks, $2.9 billion to pay for our military personnel, and then other essentials. [….]

    [Obama] suggested that Social Security checks may not be written come August 2nd if that debt ceiling isn’t increased.

    No. You pay for the essentials first and then the non-essentials have to get cut. They have to wait.

  169. turndownobama,
    I have been looking for stats on what comes in and what most go out, but I ended up just becoming more confused the deeper I got into it. Can not fathom what it must be like to be dependent on SS and trying to navigate through all of the shite. Playing political poker with the folks who busted their asses to get this country where it is seems so cheap.

  170. I have been looking for stats on what comes in and what most go out

    ================

    I looked for some a while back and had a damn hard time finding any admission that ANY money came IN through SS taxes! It’s like they’re trying to hide that fact.

  171. Turndownobama
    So glad its not just me. I searched for everything I could think of including an idiot’s guide to Social Security and just kept being led from one link to another where I just got lost on the vernacular.

    I do know lots of Steel town retirees who are semi-dependent on SS and they are not as uninformed/sheepish as to fall for being so blatantly manipulated by a bambi speech. They are pissed off and rightfully so. He did not say welfare payments(which come from the state but food stamps are heavily subsidized by feds) were not going to be issued.

  172. I do know lots of Steel town retirees who are semi-dependent on SS and they are not as uninformed/sheepish as to fall for being so blatantly manipulated by a bambi speech.

    ================

    Heh. Maybe they’re old enough to remember when Gingrich shut it down and the world didn’t end.

  173. Random question way off topic but can a child’s 529 college savings plan be taken if the child has medical expenses not covered by insurance?

  174. knock on wood question doesn’t pertain to me or any of those 529ers brats i make meager contributions to, but i was speaking with a woman and telling her how my family decided one physical gift per year under $20 and the rest goes to college fund and a little extra to Disney. No more well meaning useless toys. She feared as her son has severe asthma that such monies could be taken when they went over their health insurance “limit”.

  175. More good sense and realism from Sarah:

    what Obama seems to be willing to accept is perhaps talking about cuts someday down the road.

    Yes, if there were a way to guarantee that he would have to, as the executive, make cuts in his departments all throughout the federal government now, immediately, then, yes, we could talk reasonably about a plan like that.

    But again, as I say, I don’t trust this president to not only not — he doesn’t know how to make those cuts, he’s never had to do this before. He’s always been one to just spend other people’s money, even if that money is just borrowed money or printed out of thin air. He’s never had to exercise real executive authority like that.
    http://sarahpalinnewsies.blogspot.com/2011/07/sarah-palin-talks-tough-on-debt-ceiling.html

  176. I despise bill o’reilly. Take ten olberman’s to one of him. The memory of teh one interview where he grabbed his leg makes scream for a hot shower and a full body pummis stone cleansing. Eeeeeeek. And his word of the day. So sad.

  177. Turndownobama
    Now you are just being mean for the fun of it aren’t you.
    Stomached o’reilly cause I wanted to hear what Governor Palin had to say but then the next link is hannity. Should I brace myself for nancy grace and how an ineffable tragedy in Florida relates to racism and the debt ceiling?

  178. Looked through Recovery.org and still cannot find out how much of the stimulus has not been distributed. Tried a number of searches and cannot find the figure. Looking because the last figure I’d heard would cover or nearly cover payments DUE to social security recipients on 8/03.

  179. Hm. I wish Doonesberry weren’t full of koolaid. He’d have fun on Aug 3 with Zonker and the neighbor who predicted the world would end on May 21.

    Now they’ve postponed the world end till October. Maybe Obama will do that with his checkapocalypse.

  180. turndownobama
    July 18th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Well, here’s some background on the 80% thing. The poll said that 20% wanted ONLY spending cuts.
    _____________________________

    Read the fine print @ the bottom of the Gallup poll. It says:

    “The only important number here is the first one, the 20%. The president said, in effect, if you’re not one of the 20% who actually responded you favor tax increases. Thus, 80% (which included people who didn’t answer the question) are for tax increases. While that’s sorta true, it’s about as disingenuous a statistic as I’ve ever heard.

    Using the same logic, 96% of American are for spending cuts.

    Or Obama can’t disseminate the results of a poll correctly?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx

    The same Gallup Poll posted earlier at 10:29pm

  181. EDITORIAL: Obama stimulates Jakarta

    Enviro-grants and loans blow billions on foreign and domestic scams

    President Obama now claims there’s only $2 billion he can cut out of this year’s $3.6 trillion in federal outlays. He’s not looking very hard. The administration’s trillion-dollar “stimulus” spending spree spread millions in U.S. taxpayer dollars around places like the president’s boyhood home, Indonesia. Money that stayed within the country often wound up in the hands of debt-riddled, fly-by-night firms. This week, the White House continued to stonewall attempts to get to the bottom of where our money has been going.

    On Friday, the House Energy and Commerce Committee delivered a subpoena to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) ordering the disclosure of documents related to the $535 million loan guarantee the Department of Energy gave to Solyndra Inc. This firm has been dear to Democratic luminaries, from Energy Secretary Stephen Chu to the president himself. “The true engine of economic growth will always be companies like Solyndra,” Mr. Obama said during a May 2010 visit.

    The loan was meant to prop up a plant that would produce solar panels, ensuring the country would become more “green.” Instead, Securities and Exchange Commission filings show Solyndra’s books are nothing but red. The outfit lost $518,694,000 between 2007 and 2010 despite the massive infusion of public cash and private venture capital. OMB refused to disclose any documents that would shed light on why the government approved loans to this particular company.

    The firm’s private investors include major donors to the Democratic Party, as do other recipients of the $11 billion Department of Energy slush fund used to dole out cash to so-called “clean technologies.” Absent these massive subsidies, the solar power industry would be about as large as the sundial manufacturing industry. Nonetheless, the Obama administration is desperate to paint intermittent energy sources as “the future.” It has no qualms about pouring billions in other people’s money into any product bearing the “green” label, even if that means handing over sacks of cash to foreigners.

    The committee’s oversight staff has also turned the spotlight on Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) funding of 320 programs that dole out nearly $100 million in U.S. taxpayer cash to stimulate economies overseas. The Chinese government pocketed $718,000 from taxpayers in a grant supposedly to help the Middle Kingdom meet international air-quality emissions targets. Thailand’s government was handed $700,000 to harness the power of pig flatulence as “renewable energy.” The EPA gave Interpol $150,000 to prop up a program to detect “fraud” in Europe’s carbon-trading markets, which were specifically designed to make global warming hysteria profitable. The United Nations took home $1,226,841 to browbeat Third World countries into pumping pointless ethanol into their gas tanks.

    After making deeper inquiries, the staff found a public-relations campaign known as “Breathe Easy, Jakarta” had been listed as costing $15,000. The EPA’s actual expenditures on this project will total $1.5 million. The Obama administration’s outrageous spending at home is bad enough. There’s no reason to spend millions exporting American bureaucracy to countries that are better off without it.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/15/obama-stimulates-jakarta/#.TiPF5rPkBT8.facebook

  182. Using the same logic, 96% of American are for spending cuts.

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    Yes. But to be fair, the story also raises the question of whether Obama was quoted correctly. Apparently he may have said that most favor a balanced approach (which would by definition include some tax increases).

  183. The Ulsterman Report: “Back to Chicago” Update…

    “…And what happened to Rezko? That’s part of the same deal. A company called Companion Security…Blago, Rezko, the Feds. It’s all brewing – maybe boiling over?” -INSIDER.

    Initially ignored by the mainstream media, the Obama Department of Justice Fast and Furious scandal is now being covered, albeit still grudgingly, by even the most left-leaning establishments such as the Washington Post, New York Times, and CNN.

    As the DOJ Gunrunner scandal continues to rock the Obama administration, critical events are also unfolding back in Chicago that could prove equally damaging to Barack Obama’s bid for a second presidential term.

    This past week, as reported in the Chicago Sun Times, former Tony Rezko partner Daniel T. Frawley’s Companion Securitysentencing hearing was suddenly delayed – with no revised date having yet been given.

    Frawley, like Rezko, has been awaiting sentencing for crimes they long ago were found guilty of. Speculation is now rampant over the cause of Frawley’s sentencing delay – most notably its possible relation to former Illinois Governor Rod Blagovitch’s own most recent conviction. Like Rezko and Frawley, Blagovitch too is awaiting his own sentencing.

    All three figures have significant ties to both Barack Obama and the president’s most trusted senior adviser and fellow longtime Chicago resident, Valerie Jarrett.

    In documents now available at the Sun Times it appears quite possible Daniel Frawley’s apparent cooperation with federal officials could have further linked the dubious relationship between Barack Obama and convicted felon and former Chicago political power broker Tony Rezko – a link that could include recordings of Rezko directly implicating Barack Obama in crimes going back nearly a decade ago.

    Read more in US Politics

    « Will Rahul Gandhi Deliver Goods in U.p. Elections?

    The Blame Game Continues in Washington, The American Public The Newest Target »
    Of particular note is this exchange found within the Frawley deposition:

    …Weaver’s lawyer, Daniel F. Konicek, asks Frawley about what specific information Weaver is supposed to have told Frawley to withhold from federal authorities.

    “I’m assuming the information is about the payments made by Rezko to Obama, so we know we’re talking about the right conversation, right?” Konicek asks Frawley.

    Frawley doesn’t answer. So Konicek presses him: “Am I correct it was about Obama being paid by Rezko?”

    Frawley replies: “I’m not answering that question, based upon my attorney’s instructions.”

    If Daniel Frawley has now turned state’s evidence against a sitting president of the United States, things are truly becoming difficult for Barack Obama and those now working double-overtime to protect and insulate this president from a political lifetime of seeming scandal and dubious dealings. We are also reminded of the oft-repeated declarations months ago from our own White House Insider:

    …You see, it’s the Justice Department that is the firewall for the administration. For EVERYTHING – and the stuff that could destroy the Obama White House…it starts at Justice, and then leads to Chicago.

    …Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. And what happened to Rezko? That’s part of the same deal. A company called Companion Security…Blago, Rezko, the Feds. It’s all brewing – maybe boiling over?
    -INSIDER
    March, 2011

    Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/the-ulsterman-report-back-to-chicago-update/#ixzz1SSccSx7F

  184. Quoted at Crawdad:

    President Obama is in love with his powers of “compromise.” There is a certain kind of minority striver that can go very far if he can speak the language of student radicals but in the end give establishment figures most of what they want. This dynamic is in play at any elite educational institution. By being the nice minority who makes the powerful feel comfortable (and non racist), the striver can advance himself. Of course, this also requires lip service to the student radical types, who mostly will give that up by graduation. Those who don’t go to the non-profit sector, in the main, and although they are important in the beginning of one’s career, can be safely ignored once the striver reaches higher office.
    And this is exactly what Obama did. Make nice with the radicals as a student, and then be the “big compromiser,” getting himself elected to the presidency of the law review at Harvard. We can also see that Obama chose to attend church at Jeremiah Wright’s congregation– nominally. Wright’s church was known as a place for the left leaning activist types, and a good place for the unchurched to demonstrate religiosity, necessary for elected office. However it is pretty clear that Obama did not regularly attend services, otherwise he would have heard some of Wright’s sermons that he later condemned.
    In the end, we have a President who has spent his entire professional life making powerful people feel comfortable– exactly the wrong type of person for the times in which we find ourselves.

  185. They aint buying it anymore Bambi :

    CBS News poll out this morning shows 48% disapprove of Pres Obama’s handing of the deficit/debt limit talks. 43% approve.

  186. Today Obama holds White House meetings with Warren Buffett, Bill Gates & Colin Powell… all closed to the press.

  187. Moon, that’s an odd combination of people for a meeting isn’t it? I mean 2 billionaires but Colen Powell?? Wonder what that’s about?

  188. Hacked DOT sign reads “Impeach Obama”

    Monday, Jul 18 2011

    UNION COUNTY, N.C. — A Department of Transportation electronic road sign was apparently hacked into and the road warning changed over the weekend.

    The sign at the intersection of Unionville-Indian Trail and Ridge roads in Union County was changed to read “Impeach Obama.” Some passers by stopped to take pictured of the sign and comment on the message. One driver said the act was bold because she thought the hacker could get into trouble for manipulating a state-owned road sign.

    DOT officials said Sunday evening they had not heard about the change to the sign, but would send an engineer to edit the message so that it displays the correct road warning. The sign was corrected Sunday night, officials said.

    Electronic road signes were also hacked several months ago in Rock Hill. Instead of displaying political messages, those signs warned of zombies, hunters and tanks in the roadway ahead.

    http://www.shelbystar.com/news/obama-56743-reads-county.html

  189. Rep. West: Obama is ‘Sad,’ ‘Pathetic,’ ‘Fear-Mongering’ on Debt Ceiling

    Monday, July 18, 2011
    By Eric Scheiner

    (CNSNews.com) – Rep. Allen West calls President Barack Obama’s actions on the debt ceiling debate “sad”, “pathetic” and “fear-mongering”.

    In an interview with CNSNews.com, West was asked about his recent comments that the president was fear-mongering when using the issue of Social Security payments in the debt ceiling debate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouCnZ0q2Eu0&feature=player_embedded

    “To come out and just say, we’re not going to – I don’t think we’re going to be able pay seniors, I don’t think were going to be able to pay veterans that’s not leadership. That’s why I said it was sad, it was pathetic, it’s fear-mongering and it’s trying to turn people against other folks who are trying to come up with viable solutions. That’s not what I think a president should be doing,” West said.

    West claims the president needs to decide how to best prioritize the programs that he wants to see funded in the country, “I think the thing that the president needs to do, is sit down and say. With the revenues that we have coming in, with the revenues that we have existing in the Social Security trust fund right now. You know, what are we going to prioritize as far as spending here in the United States of America.”

  190. Krauthammer goes after Totenberg on the outright lie that the president has “offered” anything at all. No, he hasn’t. He has talked.

    Please note: whether you like the republican proposals or not, they have at least put some hard, specific numbers and areas of cuts down on paper. They are negotiating openly. Obama talks, but has yet to offer a single specific, and the press lets him get away with it. How can you negotiate when the other side can say different things every other day, and wants you to yield on a specific thing in return for promises of unspecified vagaries?

    CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: [The President] talks a good game. “Oh, I’m prepared to do entitlements, I’m ready to do entitlements.” Not once has he ever enunciated in public – other than all these leaks which I don’t trust for half a second – one structural change in entitlements, and without that, everybody over the age of nine knows we are not going to get a handle on the debt. So let’s hear him say it in public once.

    NINA TOTENBERG, NPR: So why is it when he offered the big deal, the $4 trillion deal…

    GORDON PETERSON, HOST: The grand bargain.

    TOTENBERG: …the grand bargain, Republicans backed away from it?

    KRAUTHAMMER: When did he offer that?

    TOTENBERG: He offered that last week.

    KRAUTHAMMER: Where?

    TOTENBERG: In, he did it, publicly and in negotiations.

    KRAUTHAMMER: In your leaks? What’s in the $4 trillion?

    TOTENBERG: But Charles.

    KRAUTHAMMER: Give me a number. Explain to me what’s in it.

    TOTENBERG: Why is it, in two, in matter of two days, Republicans backed away from that and said we don’t want it?

    KRAUTHAMMER: You accept everything he says, a $4 trillion deal, if you don’t have a single item in it that you can enunciate.

    TOTENBERG: Well, I’m not at the table. Perhaps you are, but I’m not.

    KRAUTHAMMER: Well then how does he expect America to accept something in which he explains nothing?

    TOTENBERG: He actually said I’m going to get heat from my own people.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/15/charles-krauthammer-accuses-press-accepting-every-leak-out-white-hous#ixzz1STHkxj10

  191. Gun-smuggling cartel figures possibly were paid FBI informants

    Probe reveals that the U.S. agency running the ‘Fast and Furious’ anti-gun-trafficking operation didn’t know about the alleged FBI informants.

    Congressional investigators are looking into the matter.

    LATimes.com

    By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau

    July 17, 2011

    Reporting from Washington

    Congressional investigators probing the controversial “Fast and Furious” anti-gun-trafficking operation on the border with Mexico believe at least six Mexican drug cartel figures involved in gun smuggling also were paid FBI informants, officials said Saturday.

    The investigators have asked the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration for details about the alleged informants, as well as why agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the Fast and Furious operation, were not told about them.

    The development raises further doubts about the now-shuttered program, which was created in November 2009 in an effort to track guns across the border and unravel the cartels’ gun smuggling networks. The gun tracing largely failed, however, and hundreds of weapons purchased in U.S. shops later were found at crime scenes in Mexico.

    The scandal has angered Mexican officials and some members of Congress. Investigators say nearly 2,500 guns were allowed to flow illegally into Mexico under the ATF program, fueling the drug violence ravaging that country and leading to the shooting death of a U.S. border agent.

    In a letter to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III, the investigators asked why U.S. taxpayers’ money apparently was paid to Mexican cartel members who have terrorized the border region for years in their efforts to smuggle drugs into this country, and to ship U.S. firearms into Mexico.

    “We have learned of the possible involvement of paid FBI informants in Operation Fast and Furious,” wrote Rep. Darrel Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee. The two have been the leading congressional critics of the program.

    “At least one individual who is allegedly an FBI informant might have been in communication with, and was perhaps even conspiring with, at least one suspect whom ATF was monitoring,” they wrote.

    The FBI and DEA did not tell the ATF about the alleged informants. The ATF and congressional investigators learned later that those agencies apparently were paying cartel members whom the ATF wanted to arrest.

    “Operation Fast and Furious was conceived to get some of the bigger fish down there,” said one official close to the congressional investigation, who asked not to be identified because the probe is ongoing. “Then it turned out that some of the ones they were zeroing in on actually, mostly likely were paid informants.”

    The official said at least half a dozen cartel figures were being paid by one U.S. law enforcement agency while they were being targeted by another.

    “We are learning more about them, and there are six so far that we know about. It’s multiples, for sure,” the official said.

    The official declined to identify the six, but said the individual cited in the letter to the FBI operated along the Texas border with Mexico.

    “This guy could die if it got out who he is,” the official said. “He’d be killed.”

    The FBI and DEA referred queries Saturday to the Department of Justice. Officials there said they cannot talk about paid informants, but are attempting to answer the questions from Issa and Grassley.

    They noted that they already have provided thousands of pages of documents to Congress, and have answered questions in sworn depositions and open hearings.

    “We have been cooperating, and we will continue to cooperate,” said an Obama administration official. “We want to learn as much as we can about Fast and Furious, just as they do.”

    The ATF ran the Fast and Furious operation out of its field office in Phoenix until early this year. The idea was to monitor illegal purchases in federally licensed U.S. gun shops, but allow the illicit buyers to walk away with the weapons, giving ATF agents the opportunity to learn how the guns are smuggled across the border.

    But many of their gun tracing efforts failed, and hundreds of firearms purchased under the program were used to commit crimes in Mexico.

    In addition, two AK-47s purchased during the operation were found at the scene last December where U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry was shot to death near Tucson, allegedly by a Sinaloa cartel member.

    A second U.S. immigration agent, Jaime Zapata, was slain in a cartel ambush in February in Mexico, and investigators now are trying to determine whether Fast and Furious weapons were used to kill him as well.

    In the letter to Mueller, the senators asked if Zapata was armed when he was killed and “if not, why not?” They also asked if his vehicle was bulletproof, and if so, “how was he killed inside of the vehicle?”

    They also asked how many cartel members were paid, if any of the informants had been deported from the United States, and if FBI personnel in Arizona knew of the informants.

    The Republican leaders asked to see all “emails, documents, memoranda, briefing papers, and handwritten notes” from and to FBI and DEA field supervisors and agents in Phoenix, Tucson, Nogales and Yuma in Arizona, and in El Paso, Texas.

    They are seeking the same material from the FBI case agent investigating Terry’s death.

    Zapata’s family also is seeking answers. Relatives of the slain immigration agent sent a letter June 14 to the U.S. attorney’s office in South Texas, the top FBI official in San Antonio, and several U.S. immigration officials, “requesting information about the specific circumstances of Jaime Zapata’s death.”

    richard.serrano@latimes.com

  192. Once again, the press is letting Obama slide by taking as gospel his words of intent, rather than looking at any detailed policies at all, or if he even has any to offer.

    He’s doing the same thing he has always done – get the press to force the other side to be specific (and therefore easily demagogued) while he gets to hide in the weeds of generalized lofty goals with no specifics.

    This is why I reiterate that I am not in favor of ceding anything to the Dems, whether a debt ceiling raise or tax hikes, until I see what their plan is. Maybe I will like it, maybe I won’t. But I cannot know that until they produce one. I don’t make deals where I’m trading for “whatever is behind door number two”.

  193. Look, nobody would be attacking SS unless they expected to get some money from the attack — money which would otherwise go to seniors.
    ****************************
    Bingo!

  194. H4T

    “Please note: whether you like the republican proposals or not, they have at least put some hard, specific numbers and areas of cuts down on paper. They are negotiating openly. Obama talks, but has yet to offer a single specific, and the press lets him get away with it. How can you negotiate when the other side can say different things every other day, and wants you to yield on a specific thing in return for promises of unspecified vagaries?”
    _____________________

    I agree- He hands everyone a blank slate (just like he did in the Hope and Change campaign) then talks about the slate not what is written on it.. if anything…

  195. Mrs. Smith – as ralphb said over at crawdad’s place, “You can’t negotiate with smoke.”

  196. HillaryforTexas
    July 18th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    yeah- Obama is letting the clock run out- giving the appearance he is struggling so hard with the GOP as he offers nothing that can be described as a plan from the Democrats.

  197. As the World Turn… The actions controlling our fate become more bizarre daily.
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    Soldiers ordered not to shoot Taliban as they plant mines…

    Mail Online ^ | 18th July 2011

    July 18, 2011

    Soldiers were ordered not to open fire on Taliban fighters planting mines in case they disturb local people, it has been claimed.

    U.S. military chiefs ordered troops to exercise ‘courageous constraint’ and even warned them they could be charged with murder if they shot any Taliban without permission from above.

    The claims were made by a former Royal Marine who spoke out following the inquest into the death of Sergeant Peter Rayner last week.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015944/Soldiers-ordered-shoot-Taliban-planters—WAKES-UP-locals.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

  198. I for one would like some reasonable alternatives to the R plans, or at least some modifications to them. But have the Dems or Obama produced any? Nope.

    President Spendy McFiscalPants doesn’t want to be held accountable for any concrete actions. He wants to return to the days of “Don’t tell me words don’t matter!”

    Listen, you dipshit, you did not apply for the job of National Narrative Setter, or National Feeling Generator. You applied for an Executive position that requires real life decision-making, not mere agitating. Fucking do your damn job.

  199. This will send shivers up the WH Spine.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/18/oh-my-perry-edges-obama-in-north-carolina-poll/

    Not even in the race yet : Oh my: Perry edges Obama in North Carolina poll.

    Texas Republican Gov. Rick Perry leads Barack Obama 45 percent to 42 percent among North Carolina voters in a potential presidential matchup, according to a new poll released by the Civitas Institute.

    Forty-five percent of voters said they are leaning towards or would vote for Gov. Rick Perry if the election for President of the United States was being held today and the candidates were Perry, the Republican, and Barack Obama, the Democrat. Forty-two percent said they are leaning towards or would vote for Obama, and 9 percent said they are undecided.

    “For the President to be trailing an unannounced candidate in a state he barely won in 2012 has to be concerning for the Obama team,” said Civitas Institute President Francis De Luca. “If Obama is hoping to catch lightning again and win North Carolina, he is going to have to hope for a weaker opponent than Gov. Perry or a big bounce from having the Democratic National Convention here next year.”

    Jim Geraghty notes that this is a poll of registered voters rather than likely voters. Most pollsters won’t apply their formulations for identifying likely voters in the 2012 election for another year, though (Rasmussen being an exception). The difference in this case doesn’t help Obama, since likely voters tend to skew more conservative as a general rule, and perhaps more so in traditionally conservative states like North Carolina. The state went for its first Democrat in 32 years in 2008, with Obama only edging John McCain by 0.3% of the vote.

    The poll sample will give the White House some heartburn as well. It has a D+14 advantage, slightly better than the 2008 Democratic performance in North Carolina (11%) in what was a big-turnout election for Democrats. Even with the assumption of an even better Democratic turnout, Obama has dropped significantly in standing — and against a man who isn’t even running at the moment. Independents still favor Obama’s opponent by 20 points, nearly identical to 2008, but in this poll Perry gets 17% of Democrats, where McCain could only get 4% in 2008.

    In fact, Obama only get 69% of Democrats, and only 60% to “definitely” commit to him — which portends a big, big problem among conservative Southern and perhaps Rust Belt and Midwestern Democrats. If the GOP can offer the right candidate that can appeal to what used to be considered the Reagan Democrats across the aisle, Obama might find himself limited to the coasts, and out of a job in 2013.

  200. Well the stock market was minus 160 awhile back,but is now looking better; have to polish it up for evening news, dontcha know. And over at Fox for the moment, one of the top stories relates that President would veto the so-called ‘cut, cap and balance’ amendment supported by House GOP freshmen, Tea Party. Now just the other day Obie said he was taking this whole problem to the American people. Has he done that yet? He’s definitely not ready to entertain the idea that in ways the Tea Party is the American people. Of course Pooplosie thinks Tea Partiers are Republicans. And Republicans and the press think the same.

  201. From Ulsterman’s post above –

    What the heck is up with this…holding people that have been conviced, but no sentensing???

    …Like Rezko and Frawley, Blagojevich too is awaiting his own sentencing. All three figures have significant ties to both Barack Obama and the president’s most trusted senior adviser and fellow longtime Chicago resident, Valerie Jarrett.

    Big Pink lawyers, is this even legal. Due process and all that.

  202. moononpluto
    July 17th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
    President Obama making personal announcement in Rose Garden tomorrow afternoon – NBC News

    oooh WTF. Did they spell it wrong, Personal or Personnel?

    Hopefully a resignation. Lol.

    What did he announce or was it a misspelling since I read he announced his nomination of Richard Cordray to head a new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau today?

  203. Obama is letting the clock run out- giving the appearance he is struggling so hard with the GOP as he offers nothing that can be described as a plan

    ================

    He did that in the primaries, too, when they were talking about do-overs in MI and FL.

    Does he hope voters will be so scared about the SS checks etc, that they will force the GOP to give him what he wants? An odd convoluted game of chicken? Trying to make sure the ball is in someone else’s court when the whistle blows?

  204. Minor linguistic note here.

    “The poll sample will give the White House some heartburn as well.”

    After the Tucson shooting, Palin said she was glad her staff had taken off the ‘gunsight’ symbols, “if they were causing heartburn.”

    I thought she meant “heartache.” But here’s a Hotair writer using ‘heartburn’ in a similar way.

  205. hmmm, Gop widening gap again.

    Generic Congressional Ballot: Republicans 44%, Democrats 38%.

  206. “Back in the 80’s, Richard was also a five-time Jeopardy champion and a semi-finalist in the Tournament of Champions. Not too shabby,” President Obama said as he announced the nomination of Richard Cordray to run the consumer bureau on Monday.

    “That’s why all his confirmation — all the answers at his confirmation hearings will be in a form of a question,” Obama said to silence.

    “That’s a joke,” he reminded the audience.

    ………………

    fell flat again.

  207. One of the recent posts over in Cheetoland has this gem:

    Obama is not your cheating boyfriend

    254 Comments

    so stop treating him emotionally with diaries like “Imagine” that feature a laundry list of promises he never really made.

    On the other hand what was displayed is something that really does need to be addressed. There is a massive feeling of betrayal and resentment out there. A lot of people apparently feel that they’ve been Hippy Punched more than a few times already, and that yet again they caught Obama cheating on them with that GOP Sl*t from across the aisle once too many times – and while I can sympathies with it that feeling, and understand it – there comes a point where it become self-defeating and self-destructive.

    Obama’s not your boyfriend, but more importantly he hasn’t been “cheating” either. He’s trying to get some shit done, against overwhelming odds and opposition.

  208. UK House of Lords says Monckton is a fake:

    “You are not and have never been a member of the House of Lords. Your assertion that you are a member, but without the right to sit or vote, is a contradiction in terms. No one denies that you are, by virtue of your letters patent, a peer. That is an entirely separate issue to membership of the House. This is borne out by the recent judgement in Baron Mereworth v Ministry of Justice (Crown Office).”

  209. Melson is talking:

    The acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said the Justice Department has been withholding key information from congressional officials and that the department sought to protect its political appointees from criticism over a failed anti-gun trafficking operation that allowed hundreds of weapons to be smuggled to Mexico.

    Kenneth Melson told investigators earlier this month that among the materials in Justice’s possession was “a smoking gun” document related to the inquiry

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/atf-guns-operation-fast-and-furious-border-/1

  210. Aaaaaaand, Rachel Maddow proves once again that she is pathologically and illogically askeered of anyone outside her urban hipster bubble:

    Occasionally Republicans tip their hand on this, as they have done in Texas, when Texas Republicans were cranking down voting rights, making it harder to vote in that state than it has ever been before, Texas Republicans carved out an exception to their new you-have-to-show-an-ID-to-vote-now rule. The exception is? (pause for dramatic effect) For anybody who has a concealed carry permit for a weapon. (Stated as story from Texas Observer shown, on new voter ID law, with words “concealed handgun license” broken out from story and prominently displayed). What do you think it is about having a gun that makes the Republican legislators of Texas relax about your eligibility to vote?

    Oooooo!!! Those scary rethuglicans are making an EXCEPTION to voter ID laws for crazy rightwing sloped-forehead mutant gunpackers!!! Bring yer gun, and no one will ask you for ID!! Yeehaw!

    Except they aren’t.

    The legislation requires voters to present one of five acceptable forms of photo ID — a driver’s license, military ID, passport, concealed handgun license or a special voter ID card provided free of charge by the state.

    You, Rachel, are a bigoted moron. The Concealed Handgun License in Texas IS a photo ID, you hyperventilating dipshit. It looks a lot like a driver’s license, in fact. In addition to a photo, you have to take a course, pass a test proving you understand both the legal and safety ramifications, pass an actual live shooting test, and get fingerprinted to make sure you are not a criminal. So I’d say that of the five forms of PHOTO ID allowed, the CHL is the one that requires the MOST hoops for the voting citizen to obtain, and is a more ironclad form of ID than any of them.

    Oh, and I already told my husband I want a brand new gun for Christmas. A pretty one, with less kick than the stinkin’ 45. Am I ominous and scary? Only to you, you clueless twit.

    😀

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2011/07/18/maddow-dishonestly-claims-new-texas-voter-id-law-exempts-residents-con#ixzz1SVBPIIpd-

  211. Looks like the depression is going to get much worse, never thought I would see the day when the president of the US says its radical to have a balanced budget amendent, and that he would veto it.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ron-paul-debt-ceiling-drama-we-need-stop-allowing-secretive-banking-cartels-endlessly-enslav

    “Debt Ceiling Drama

    First of all, politicians need to understand that without real change default is inevitable. In fact, default happens every day through monetary policy tricks. Every time the Federal Reserve engages in more quantitative easing and devalues the dollar, it is defaulting on the American people by eroding their purchasing power and inflating their savings away. The dollar has lost nearly 50% of its value against gold since 2008. The Fed claims inflation is 2% or less over the past few years; however economists who compile alternate data show a 9% inflation rate if calculated more traditionally. Alarmingly, the administration is talking about changing the methodology of the CPI calculation yet again to hide the damage of the government’s policies. Changing the CPI will also enable the government to avoid giving seniors a COLA (cost of living adjustment) on their social security checks, and raise taxes via the hidden means of “bracket creep.” This is a default. Just because it is a default on the people and not the banks and foreign holders of our debt does not mean it doesn’t count.

    Politicians also need to acknowledge that our debt is unsustainable. For decades our government has been spending and promising far more than it collects in taxes. But the problem is not that the people are not taxed enough. The government has managed to run up $61.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, which works out to $528,000 per household. A tax policy that would aim to extract even half that amount of money from American families would be unimaginably draconian, and not unlike attempting to squeeze blood from a turnip. This is, unequivocally, a spending problem brought about by a dramatically inflated view of the proper role of government in a free society. Cont…..”

  212. and the rest of that article from Ron Paul:

    “Perhaps the most abhorrent bit of chicanery has been the threat that if a deal is not reached to increase the debt by August 2nd, social security checks may not go out. In reality, the Chief Actuary of Social Security confirmed last week that current Social Security tax receipts are more than enough to cover current outlays. The only reason those checks would not go out would be if the administration decided to spend those designated funds elsewhere. It is very telling that the administration would rather frighten seniors dependent on social security checks than alarm their big banking friends, who have already received $5.3 trillion in bailouts, stimulus and quantitative easing. This instance of trying to blackmail Congress into tax increases by threatening social security demonstrates how scary it is to be completely dependent on government promises and why many young people today would jump at the chance to opt out of Social Security altogether.

    We are headed for rough economic times either way, but the longer we put it off, the greater the pain will be when the system implodes. We need to stop adding more programs and entitlements to the problem. We need to stop expensive bombing campaigns against people on the other side of the globe and bring our troops home. We need to stop allowing secretive banking cartels to endlessly enslave us through monetary policy trickery. And we need to drastically rethink government’s role in our lives so we can get it out of the way and get back to work. “

  213. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/steve-wynn-annihilates-barack-obama-administration-greatest-wet-blanket-business-and-job-cre

    (this billonaire nails the sentiment felt by anyone who wants to invest, expand, grow in America with this buffon Waffles in the WH.)

    “And I’m saying it bluntly that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next three hours giving you examples of all of us in this marketplace that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our health care costs escalate. Regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems, you know — that keeps using that word redistribution.

    Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they’re frightened of this administration. And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America. You bet. And until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it’s not going to change.

    And those of us who have business opportunities and the capital to do it, are going to sit in fear of the President. And you know, a lot of people don’t want to say that. They say oh, God, don’t be attacking Obama. Well, this is Obama’s deal. And it’s Obama that’s responsible for this fear in America.

    The guy keeps making speeches about redistribution, and maybe’s ought to do something to businesses that don’t invest, they’re holding too much money. You know, we haven’t heard that kind of money except from pure socialists.

    Everybody is afraid of the government. And there’s no need — there’s no need, you know, soft pedaling it. It’s the truth. It is the truth. And that’s true of Democratic businessmen, and Republican businessmen, and I am a Democratic businessman and I support Harry Reid, I support Democrats and Republicans, and I’m telling you that the business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he’s gone, everybody is going to be sitting on their thumbs. Cont…”

  214. tim
    July 18th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    That is a damning rant by Steve Wynn, and true.

    I’m telling you that the business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he’s gone, everybody is going to be sitting on their thumbs.

    Want jobs? Get rid of the boob.

  215. HillaryforTexas
    July 18th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Agreed. And if Waffles is relected, I can guarantee you larger businesses will expand overseas, not here, and smaller biz like mine will contract or just throw up our hands & sell their businesses, not worth the trouble with an imbecile in the WH.

  216. LOL. Remember the “Are you in?” ads for Waffles, now I am seeing “You should be with us in 2012” ads everywhere.

  217. I think that a lot of people on both sides of the political and/or economic fence have the same fatal flaw in their thinking:

    It’s the idea that their pet policies have zero, or almost zero, downside. Which is untrue. It’s untrue of every decision you will ever make in life. Everything has both a cost and a benefit. Everything. The point of being an adult is to rationally decide how much benefit is worth how much downside.

    People don’t ask the right questions. Magical thinking abounds, whether it’s the right who believe that the free market will automatically take care of things, or the left who thinks that the govt can give us every single thing we want, with no over-obtrusiveness, and with someone else forever paying for it.

  218. what the hell is this fool of an AG thinking?? Whose side this this fool on?? What possible reason would there be to shorten this terrorist’s prison sentence???? who would then be released in America!

    http://www.newsmax.com/FrankGaffney/EricHolder-JusticeDepartment-homelandsecurity-MuslimBrotherhood/2011/07/18/id/403950

    “Just when you thought it was not possible for the Eric Holder Justice Department to become any more hostile to the national and homeland security interests of the American people, along comes yet another travesty.

    This one threatens both, as it apparently would involve turning loose in America a convicted terrorist known to be a top Muslim Brotherhood (MB or Ikhwan in Arabic) operative and al-Qaida financier: Abdurahman Alamoudi.

    According to a short Associated Press report on July 8: Federal prosecutors are asking a judge to cut the 23-year prison term being served by an American Muslim activist who admitted participation in a Libyan plot to assassinate King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.

    Alamoudi — who famously declared his support for Hamas and Hezbollah at a rally in Lafayette Square in October 2000 and was recognized by the Justice Department as a Muslim Brother — has been incarcerated with other top terrorists in the Supermax facility in Colorado. As an American citizen, he would presumably be allowed to stay in this country upon his release.

    Can it be precluded that, once he is freed, Alamoudi would take up again with those he did so much to help sponsor, foster, and run as one of the leading Muslim Brothers in the country?

    Lest we forget, as a driving force behind many of the myriad MB front organizations in the United States, he previously was deeply involved with the fulfillment of the Ikhwan’s mission here as described in its 1991 strategic plan.”

  219. Sean Hoare Dead: News Of The World Hacking Whistleblower Found Dead In London

    7/18/11 Updated: 04:33 PM

    Sean Hoare, a former reporter for the News of the World who was the first to go on the record about Andy Coulson’s alleged knowledge of the phone hacking there, has been found dead, according to the Guardian. He was found by police at his London home.

    Hoare was known to have problems with drugs and alcohol, and the police said that they were not treating the death as a suspicious one, though they did not reveal what caused Hoare to pass away. But it still comes as a grim coincidence during a period when the phone hacking scandal is escalating seemingly every day.

    Hoare first outed himself as a phone-hacker in a September 10 New York Times article. He said that he used to play Coulson—who became the top communications aide to Prime Minister David Cameron, and was later arrested for his alleged role in the hacking operation—recordings of hacked voicemails when the latter was the editor of the News of the World. Coulson, he told the paper, “actively encouraged me to do it.” After the article was published, Hoare was questioned by police.

    He spoke again to the paper last week, after the scandal had turned into a full-blown crisis.

    Rebekah Brooks arrested

    video at link:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/18/sean-hoare-dead-news-of-the-world-phone-hacking_n_901724.html

  220. From Clinton to Palin to Bachmann: Why some Dems now support GOP women

    New York (CNN) — When Republican presidential candidate and tea party favorite Michele Bachmann was recently asked by Fox News’ Chris Wallace if she was “a flake,” the moment seemed like déjà vu all over again for some women active in politics.

    Bachmann’s response — she was “insulted” — was stern, but it pointed to a larger bias many women perceive in presidential politics.

    “Nobody in the GOP establishment is going to hand anything to Bachmann or (Sarah) Palin — just like (Democrats) did not for Hillary (Clinton),” said Amy Siskind, who supported Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential bid. “And it takes a certain type of leader to go out there and have the courage and the guts to say ‘I’m running (for president)’ and I admire Bachmann for that.”

    After Clinton’s failed Oval Office bid, Siskind and a small group of women who had supported Clinton decided the best way to break the glass ceiling in presidential politics was to put ideology and partisanship aside and support any woman seeking a top political office — including Bachmann and Palin, two darlings of the tea party movement known for their conservative views on economic and social issues.

    But some Democratic leaders dismissed the idea, arguing the electorate is more sophisticated.

    “Women don’t support women candidates simply because of their status as women, simply because of their gender,” said Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, head of the Democratic National Committee.

    Siskind, who has voted Democrat in the past, helped found The New Agenda, a nonpartisan women’s advocacy group that united many women who were disappointed after Clinton’s defeat.

    “We decided that in order to take women forward,” said Siskind, “we would have to be a voice for all women — so put political party and the issue of abortion aside because those were the two issues that were dividing women in half.”

    “So, for us it was a business model: How can you have a women’s movement that excludes half the women?” added Siskind.

    In the 2008 general election, women voted overwhelmingly for Democrat Barack Obama for president, picking him 56% to 43% over Republican John McCain, according to CNN exit polls.

    Going hard after Democrats

    Before the new group even got formally off the ground in mid-2008, its nucleus of Hillary Clinton supporters was courted by John McCain’s campaign, according to Siskind.

    “McCain sent (former California Republican senatorial candidate) Carly Fiorinato my home,” said Siskind, who used to trade stocks on Wall Street, “to meet with a lot of the women that then became The New Agenda to say: What would you want to get McCain’s support?”

    “One of the things we asked for was to have a woman on the ticket,” said Siskind, “and Sarah Palin actually was on our short list (of six women). We did research and learned about her.”

    When then-Alaska Gov. Palin burst onto the national political stage soon after Clinton formally ended her presidential aspirations, Siskind and Lara Brown, another 2008 Clinton supporter, saw how Palin was falling victim to sexist treatment just as Clinton had.

    Brown is an assistant professor of political science at Villanova University whose research has focused on candidates for the presidency. She described Palin in 2008 as “a completely different candidate (from Clinton)” who got “a completely different sexist barrage of commentary.”

    What was behind the treatment of both Clinton and Palin that at least some political observers viewed as sexist or misogynistic?

    “The system that’s the problem here, the system that’s the barrier is, broadly, patriarchy,” said Caroline Heldman, an associate professor at Occidental College. “But, more specifically, when women run for public office, the press is more likely to talk about their dress and appearance, more likely to challenge their competency, more likely to talk about them in kind of ‘first woman’ terms or like they’re oddities or benchwarmers instead of actual candidates.”

    Heldman noticed that both Clinton and Palin tried to project a public image during the 2008 race that was simultaneously masculine enough to justify being selected as the next president or vice president and feminine enough to satisfy traditional gender roles.

    “(Clinton) wore pants suits with pearls. … She was properly masculine and properly feminine,” said Heldman. “(Clinton) did this performance and it didn’t quite work. And then Palin is doing this performance where she is taking the line between masculine and feminine and she takes a wide stance. She’s hyper-masculine . . . and then she’s also hyper-feminine. … She was still beaten up. (Palin) provided kind of a different brand or approach than Hillary Clinton and it didn’t matter.”

    Bachmann facing same stigma?

    Years after Clinton and Palin sought the White House, Bachmann is already starting to encounter some of the same challenges as a female candidate.

    “It’s already started with Bachmann,” Heldman said, referencing treatment by the media that she considers sexist.

    “The Chris Wallace question was insulting,” said Bachmann campaign spokeswoman Alice Stewart. “Congresswoman Bachmann is a serious candidate. She’s an extremely intelligent person. She’s successful in her personal life. … Professionally, she has been a successful tax attorney, been a successful member in state politics, and a successful member of Congress. She’s a serious, very credible candidate for the president of the United States. (Wallace) apologized,she accepted the apology and we’ve put that behind us.”

    But Amy Kremer, chairman of the Tea Party Express, was less diplomatic. “I certainly couldn’t have seen Chris Wallace asking Mitt Romney or Rick Perry or Tim Pawlenty or one of them, ‘Are you a flake?’ ” said Kremer.

    After a breakout performance at the recent CNN Republican debate in New Hampshire, Bachmann has been steadily rising in the polls, particularly with conservative likely GOP caucusgoers in all-important Iowa.

    The woman who had been brushed aside for a leadership role in the House Republican Caucus after the 2010 midterms now leads in three recent polls, ahead of all the men and in particular, Mitt Romney, who has been called the front-runner by many.

    Making too much of nothing

    Have the candidacies of Clinton, Palin and now Bachmann ignited a spark among women across the political spectrum that national Democrats and the Obama re-election campaign should be worried about?

    No, said the Democratic National Committee.

    “There was a lot made of Sarah Palin being chosen by John McCain and of there being a woman on (the Republican) ticket for the first time in the last election and how attractive that might be especially to Hillary Clinton supporters after the primary ended,” said DNC chair Wasserman-Schultz. “I thought that was not credible at the time and said so and it turned out not to be credible.”

    Wasserman-Schultz said women vote on the issues that matter to them and select the candidate who champions those issues. She pointed out that President Obama has signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, fought for passage of health care legislation that benefits women, has a number of women in his administration and has appointed two women to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    By contrast, the DNC head said that none of the contenders in the current GOP presidential field has Obama’s track record when it comes to supporting women and working families and championing equal rights for women, both reproductive rights and rights in the workplace.

    Should Palin choose to run for president in this cycle, Wasserman-Schultz predicted that female voters will reject Palin just as they did in 2008. That same fate, she added, will befall Bachmann should she win the GOP nomination.

    No matter how Bachmann ultimately fares, her candidacy — like Palin’s before her — seems to be energizing conservative women in particular. Teri Christoph is a co-founder of Smart Girl Politics Action, a group dedicated to getting more conservative women involved in politics and running for office. Christoph said the rise of conservative women on the national political scene in the past few years “was just the beginning.”

    “I think we’ll learn a lot (by) having Michele Bachmann run (for president) about what kind of things conservative women need to be prepared for if they’re going to enter the national spotlight,” said Christoph.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/18/women.voters/

  221. “Wasserman-Schultz predicted that female voters will reject Palin just as they did in 2008. ”

    Poor Debbie, dems, dems who were male, female, didn’t support Hillary because she was a woman, they supported her because of her experience, etc. Just like many Hillary supporters, PUMAs, switched and voted for Palin in 2008, not because she is a woman, but her history of actually doing something substantive unlike an unqualified, inexperienced buffoon like Waffles.

    So, she apparently thinks Waffles calling Hillary “likeable enough”, “claws come out during that time of the month”, giving her the finger, does Debbie — a former Hillary supporter — really think 2008 is all history?? Apparently Debbie is a democrat first and foremost.

  222. Should Palin choose to run for president in this cycle, Wasserman-Schultz predicted that female voters will reject Palin just as they did in 2008. That same fate, she added, will befall Bachmann should she win the GOP nomination.

    ******************************************************************

    next Debbie Wasserman-Schultz will be saying that if Hillary ran women would still choose O…

    Debbie sold out long ago…she was once ‘one of those impressive women’ pre-O…now she wounds like a rabid, hyper boobette…blindly echoing O’s talking points…she is another one I can’t even listen to anymore…

    …and let me throw in my own sexist comment…she looks very haggard these days…in dire need of a good hairdresser…very big disappointment…

  223. Obama fancies Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. There could be something going on there- Someone should check under the stairwells in the WH- See who’s there..

    She is one of his loyalists and thinks he’s just wunderfool.

  224. Coming Soon: Smaller Raises for Seniors?

    Lawmakers are considering changes to how Social Security is adjusted for inflation.

    When inflation rises, retirees’ social security checks keep pace with small increases. But if some lawmakers get their way, those raises may be a whole lot smaller in the future.

    As part of the current deficit-reduction talks, White House officials and Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle are advocating changes to the way inflation is calculated. The little-noticed proposal advocates measuring inflation with the “chained consumer price index,” a metric that would likely make inflation look slower than the current measurement does. That would result in smaller Social Security increases for seniors, experts say. “Seniors cannot afford this,” says Mary Johnson, a senior policy analyst at The Senior Citizens League, a non-profit seniors rights advocate. “This would negatively impact not just seniors, but also many families that end up helping out these seniors financially.”

    For the roughly 60% of seniors who rely on Social Security for at least half of their retirement income, this is a big deal. Under the new calculation, the rate of inflation would grow at an average annual rate of about 0.3% less, on average, than under the current calculations, according to the Congressional Budget Office. If Social Security uses the new measurement to determine cost-of-living adjustments, the average retiree would receive about $18,000 less in benefits over 25 years, according to The Senior Citizens League. Or, under the new calculations, after 10 years, a 73-year-old would get a check that’s about 3% smaller than he would get under the old calculations, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

    more at link:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/113133/smaller-raises-for-seniors-smartmoney?mod=retire-planning

  225. Here’s an example of insiders “changing the fine print” so that a proposal or bill that looks good really does little or nothing.

    (Yes, this is fine print in a whole nother bill. Sneakier and sneakier.)

    “The little-noticed proposal advocates measuring inflation with the ‘chained consumer price index,’ a metric that would likely make inflation look slower than the current measurement does. That would result in smaller Social Security increases for seniors, experts say.”

  226. Well what do you know. Another way of screwing people, without them even knowing. Our foreparents, who worked in factories that were not regulated to prevent environmental poisoning, who worked under very poor conditions, who did not take vacations because they wanted the money instead, we are going to squeeze them, until they can no longer breath, with hidden reductions in their cost of living.

    We should be so proud of our elected officials.

    They are talking about Murdock and what they can do about him in England. They said in England there is some sort of rule that the people running the media must prove they are of good character.

    Amazing, Anmerica would not only have a difficult time with that and our media, but I swear there are so few people in our elected environment that are of good character, you for sure could count them on one hand, and even they are suspect.

    I remember going to see Williamsburg, and the tour guide tell us that even if you had an accusation against you (even if it were not true, but just accused), you were not eligible to serve in the legislative process. Such high morals at the birth of the nation. Where did they go?

    We sit here smug thinking we are so much better than the founders of this country, even our grandparents and parents (of course it would be stupid to honor them, let’s screw them instead), when in actuality, their honest and perserverance with very little reward vastl surpasses what we see now in our country.

    I love the ad where the young basketball player admits that he touch the ball last, and the others on the team tell him to shut up, and accept the wrong call. The coach says no and congratulates the young man on doing the right things. Like that would ever happen in this country anymore.

    Amazing, we are funding commercials to try to teach us to do the right thing. Why, because we have so little examples of that happening at all levels of this country. What a shame.

  227. NewMexicoFan July 19th, 2011 at 1:27 am: We sit here smug
    ———————-
    When we should be thinking “Is no investigative journalism any worse than overzealous investigation?”

  228. continuation of the story posted last night… “whistleblower found dead”…
    _________________________

    The Sun And The Times Newspaper Websites Hacked

    The Sun and The Time’s websites have been hacked by an online group claiming to avenge the late News of the World journalist and phone hacking whistleblower Sean Hoare.

    The Sun’s website h…w.. thesun.co.uk redirects to a false story claiming the paper’s owner, News Corp chief Rupert Murdoch, is dead or to the twitter feed of hackers Lulzsec, which is tweeting what it says to be the username and passwords of News International staff, including former chief executive Rebekah Brooks.

    The Lulzsec / Anonymous group tweeted on Monday: “Sun/News of the world OWNED. We’re sitting on their emails. Press release tomorrow.”

    They also wrote: “We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us… RIP Sean Hoare, a pioneer of #hackgate.”

    The group said they will release more tomorrow, as Rupert Murdoch, his son James and Rebekah Brooks prepare to appear before parliament to anwer questions about the News of the World phone hacking scandal.

    A News International spokesperson said: “We are aware of the problem.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/07/18/the-sun-newspaper-website_n_902084.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cnetscape%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%7C78607

  229. There is a lot of collaboration going on between the Uk lab party and the Dems in America about this to take down Murdoch and Fox News, a co-ordinated attack on the conservative press. If they manage to take down Fox news before next year, it will be catastrophic on the war against Obama.

  230. Well this is all going swimmingly well………………..

    Police officer in Afghanistan’s Lashkar Gah poisoned colleagues, then shot 7 dead Monday, governor’s spokesman tells NBC

  231. Ground Zero Mosque’ Clears Legal Hurdle to Build

    By RESHMA KIRPALANI
    July 19, 2011

    The backers of the controversial “Ground Zero Mosque” have won a court fight clearing the way for them to build the mosque and community center complex two blocks from the site of the 9/11 terror attack.

    In a decision on Friday that was made public today, New York State Supreme Justice Paul Feinman dismissed a lawsuit by former firefighter Timothy Brown who argued that New York City was wrong to allow the destruction of a 150-year-old building to make way for the Islamic center.

    The ex-firefighter who was among those who responded to the terror attack on the World Trade Center said the old building had been struck by debris during the collapse of the twin towers and was a “living representative of the heroic structures that commemorate the events of that day.”

    In a 15-page decision Feinman wrote, “Mr. Brown’s claim that his ability to commemorate will be injured, is not yet recognized under the law as a concrete injury that can establish standing. Such an injury, although palpable to Brown, is immeasurable by a court.”

    The American Center for Law and Justice, a conservative legal group which filed the lawsuit on Brown’s behalf, said they plan to appeal the ruling.

    “This decision fails to give appropriate consideration to first responders and others who risked their lives and lost loved ones on Sept. 11,” ACLJ attorney Brett Joshpe said in a statement.

    The ACLJ “remain confident that this mosque will never rise above Ground Zero.”

    Organizers of the project, officially called Park 51, declined to comment.

    Brown and the ACLJ were appealing a ruling last summer by the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission which decided to allow a 150-year-old Park Place building to be razed to make way for the center.

    Park 51 has been a source of national controversy since its unveiling last May. Opponents as well as supporters demonstrated at Ground Zero in reaction to the commission’s decision to allow the mosque last August. President Obama was drawn into the controversy when he initially endorsed the mosque.

    “As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country,” Obama said at a White House ceremony last summer that marked the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. “That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan in accordance with local laws and ordinances.”

    But in a visit to the Gulf Coast, Obama later dialed back saying that he supported the Muslims community’s right to build the mosque, but was not sure it was a good idea to build so close to Ground Zero.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/ground-mosque-wins-legal-battle-build/story?id=14062701

  232. #
    moononpluto
    July 19th, 2011 at 6:19 am

    There is a lot of collaboration going on between the Uk lab party and the Dems in America about this to take down Murdoch and Fox News, a co-ordinated attack on the conservative press. If they manage to take down Fox news before next year, it will be catastrophic on the war against Obama.
    ____________________

    Fox news has been a thorn in Soros’ side. He vowed to shut them down more than once.. Assange/wkikleaks are the group most likely capable/responsible for the hacking..

    Nevertheless- either they sacrificed Hoare and pinned it to Murdock or Murdock gave the order himself… My feeling it is the former..

  233. The Social Security article I posted last night should go out far and wide. What is their problem giving people back their own money they advanced into the SS Fund for 20-30 yrs? The government made money on the interest and interest free unrepayed loans!

  234. Devestating : Steve Wynn

    The guy keeps making speeches about redistribution and maybe we ought to do something to businesses that don’t invest, their holding too much money. We haven’t heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists. Everybody’s afraid of the government and there’s no need soft peddling it, it’s the truth.

    Later, Wynn adds that “I am a Democratic businessman and I support Harry Reid. I support Democrats and Republicans. And I’m telling you that the business community in this company is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he’s gone, everybody’s going to be sitting on their thumbs,” which I suspect will leave many readers wondering why he’s so down on Obama but so high on the ideologically-similar Reid.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/272155/another-obstacle-obama-wynn-2012

  235. Hoare was apparently dying, he was a chronic alcoholic and neighbours rememeber him being yellow for the last 3 months…..chronic jaundice, liver failure. Maybe just a bad coincidence.

  236. said the old building had been struck by debris during the collapse of the twin towers and was a “living representative of the heroic structures that commemorate the events of that day.”

    ===============

    He thinks a building is a LIVING representative and a heroic structure?

    That’s typical of the nuts who say “Ground Zero mosque” about a project that is neither at ‘ground zero’ nor a mosque. 😉

  237. 18 Signs That Global Financial Markets Smell Blood In The Water

    Can you smell it? There is blood in the water. Global financial markets are in turmoil. Banking stocks are getting slaughtered right now. European bond yields are absolutely soaring. Major corporations are announcing huge layoffs. The entire global financial system appears to be racing toward another major crisis. So could we potentially see a repeat of 2008? Sadly, when the next big financial crisis happens it might be worse than 2008. Back in the middle of 2008, the U.S. national debt was less than 10 trillion dollars. Today it is over 14 trillion dollars.

    Back in 2008, none of the countries in the EU were on the verge of financial collapse. Today, several of them are. This time if the global financial system starts falling apart the big governments around the world are not going to be able to do nearly as much to support it. That is why what is happening right now is so alarming. As signs of weakness spread, the short sellers and the speculators are starting to circle. They can smell the money.

    Back in 2008, bank stocks led the decline. Today, that appears to be happening again. The “too big to fail” banks are getting absolutely pummeled right now. Most people don’t have much sympathy for the banksters, but if we do see a repeat of 2008 they are going to be cutting off credit and begging for massive bailouts once again, and that would not be good news for the economy.

    In Europe, the EU sovereign debt crisis just seems to get worse by the day. Bond yields for the PIIGS are going haywire. The higher the yields go, the worse the crisis is going to get.

    Meanwhile, as I have written about previously, a bad mood has descended on world financial markets. Pessimism is everywhere and fear is spreading. The short sellers and the speculators are eager to jump on any sign of weakness. Investors all over the globe are extremely nervous right now.

    So what happens next?

    Well, nobody knows for sure.

    But things certainly do not look good.

    The following are 18 signs that global financial markets smell blood in the water….

    #1 Banks stocks are absolutely getting hammered right now. Bank of America hit a 52 week low on Monday. Bank of America shares declined 4 percent to $9.61.

    #2 So far this year, Bank of America stock is down about 27 percent.

    #3 Bloomberg is reporting that Bank of America may be forced to increase its capital cushion by 50 billion dollars.

    #4 Shares of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are near two year lows.

    #5 Shares in Citigroup fell 2.5 percent on Monday.

    #6 Moody’s recently warned that it may be forced to downgrade the debt ratings of Bank of America, Citigroup and Wells Fargo.

    #7 Barclays Capital, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Morgan Stanley are all either considering staff cuts or are already laying workers off.

    #8 The deputy European director of the International Monetary Fund says that the Greek debt crisis is “on a knife’s edge”.

    #9 Moody’s has slashed Ireland’s bond rating all the way to junk status.

    #10 The yield on 2 year Portuguese bonds is now over 20 percent, the yield on 2 year Irish bonds is now over 23 percent and the yield on 2 year Greek bonds is now over 35 percent.

    #11 Shares of Italy’s largest bank dropped by a whopping 6.4% on Monday.

    #12 On Monday, the yield on 10 year Italian bonds was the highest it has been since the euro was adopted.

    #13 On Monday, the yield on 10 year Spanish bonds was also the highest it has been since the euro was adopted.

    #14 Shares of Germany’s largest bank fell by a staggering 7% on Monday and are down a total of 22% so far this month.

    #15 Citigroup’s chief economist, William Buiter, says that without direct intervention by the ECB there is going to be a wave of sovereign defaults across Europe….

    “Nothing stands in the way of multiple sovereign defaults except the ECB: they are the only game in town, there is nothing else”

    #16 Cisco has announced plans to axe 16 percent of its workers.

    #17 Borders Group has announced that it will be liquidating all remaining assets. That means that 399 stores will be closed and 10,700 workers will lose their jobs.

    #18 During times of great crisis, many investors seek safe havens for their money. On Monday, the price of gold shot past $1600 an ounce.

    These are not normal financial times. The worldwide debt bubble is starting to burst and nobody is quite sure what is going to happen next. Certainly we are going to continue to see financial authorities all over the world do their best to keep the system going. But as we saw in 2008, things can spiral out of control very quickly.

    Just remember, back at the beginning of 2008 very few people would have ever imagined that the biggest financial institutions in America would be begging for hundreds of billions of dollars in bailouts by the end of that year.

    When confidence disappears, the game can change very quickly. To the vast majority of economists it would have been unimaginable that the yield on 2 year Greek bonds would be over 35 percent in mid-2011.

    But here we are.

    The entire global financial system is a house of cards built on a foundation of sand. It is more vulnerable today than it has been at any other time since World War II. When a couple of major dominoes fall, it is likely to set off a massive chain reaction.

    The global financial system of today was not designed with safety and security in mind. It was designed for greedy people to be able to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. The banksters don’t care about the greater good of mankind. What they care about is making huge piles of cash.

    There is way too much risk, way too much debt and way too much leverage in the global financial marketplace. You would have thought that 2008 should have been a major wake up call for financial authorities around the world, but very few significant changes have been made since that time.

    The financial news is just going to keep getting worse. This financial system is simply unsustainable. It is fundamentally unsound. The reality is that financial bubbles cannot keep expanding forever. Eventually they must burst.

    Over the next few weeks, keep a close eye on banking stocks and keep a close eye on European bond yields.

    Hopefully things will stabilize.

    Hopefully the next wave of the financial collapse is not about to hit us.

    Hopefully the entire global financial system is not on the verge of a major implosion.

    But you might want to get prepared just in case.

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    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/18-signs-that-global-financial-markets-smell-blood-in-the-water
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    Obama must be removed asap… the financial predictions are too dire to risk playing Russian roulette with Obama holding a gun to America’s head..

  238. Obama threatens veto of House GOP’s “Cut, Cap, and Balance” bill

    By Michelle Malkin • July 18, 2011

    News is breaking out all over Capitol Hill just now: The president is threatening to veto House GOP conservatives’ proposal to cut spending now, cap future spending, and balance the budget.

    So, to be clear, to use that over-worn Obama phrase, the White House is against Cut, Cap and Balance.

    Spread the word.

    Call their bluff.

    ***

    WashTimes’ Emily Miller: “Obama just issued a veto threat for a bill that would give him a $2.4 trillion debt ceiling increase. So, who’s risking default now?”

    Via Jamie Dupree: Read the White House veto threat. The fear-mongering intro:

    The Administration strongly opposes H.R. 2560, the “Cut, Cap and Balance Act of 2011.” Neither setting arbitrary spending levels nor amending the Constitution is necessary to restore fiscal responsibility. Increasing the Federal debt limit, which is needed to avoid a Federal government default on its obligations and a severe blow to the economy, should not be conditioned on taking these actions. Instead of pursuing an empty political statement and unrealistic policy goals, it is necessary to move beyond politics as usual and find bipartisan common ground.

    The bill would undercut the Federal Government’s ability to meet its core commitments to seniors, middle-class families and the most vulnerable, while reducing our ability to invest in our future. H. R. 2560 would set unrealistic spending caps that could result in significant cuts to education, research and development, and other programs critical to growing our economy and winning the future. It could also lead to severe cuts in Medicare and Social Security, which are growing to accommodate the retirement of the baby boomers, and put at risk the retirement security for tens of millions of Americans.

    ****

    Related: The latest on the headache-inducing McConnell sellout from RedState:

    Only in Washington are spending increases called spending cuts. They will actually grow discretionary spending at 2/3 rate of inflation (spending increase) but call it $1 trillion in cuts below the baseline of full inflation. About $200 billion come from cuts to health care providers, something we stop every year with the doc fix — not sure how they’ll keep this promise. And another $165 billion come from increases in government fees (some call tax increases), not spending cuts. So at the end of the day, we are left with a $2 billion FY2012 cut, and $55 billion in promised actual spending cuts through yet unspecified policy changes. A whopping $57 billion in cuts over a decade, or less than $6 billion a year.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2011/07/18/obama-threatens-veto-of-house-gops-cut-cap-and-balance-bill/

  239. “said the old building had been struck by debris during the collapse of the twin towers and was a “living representative of the heroic structures that commemorate the events of that day.”
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    After Pearl Harbor, Americans imposed an unwritten embargo on Japanese goods and a Pearl Harbor Memorial was erected on the site of Japan’s attack on America. I doubt very much if it would have been possible then or now for Japan to buy land in Hawaii in build a religious shrine somewhere nearby honoring their religious beliefs under the guise of a community center. Likewise, the Japanese would never allow Americans to build an American community center/chapel near Hiroshima -the site of America’s retaliation for Pearl Harbor with the A-Bomb.

    Although the Fireman’s lawsuit used a poor choice of words designating a reason for halting building construction of the Muslim entity. It opened the door for further litigation on appeal.

  240. Although this article isn’t representative of our political discussions it is indeed representative as the model for the future of the government’s relationship with Small Business.

    Cigar Bars are a good and fair thing. Offering those who choose to coke on smoke a place to do it away from others who choose fresh air- It’s the Liberty and FREEDOM to be your own person that is being challenged more than the health concerns.

    Tim- Menino and Deval Partrick are friends?
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    MA: “You Shouldn’t Have To Choose Between Your Health And Your Job…So We Took Away Your Job.”

    Tuesday, July 19, 2011

    Boston’s Mayor Menino continues to pop his moron pills every morning, and local businesses continue to feel the consequences. The latest story involves the city’s soon-to-be-shut-down cigar bars. Menino’s Department of Public Health has ordered the handful of cigar bars that haven’t already been driven out of business by ridiculously high taxes to shut down by 2018, anyway.

    Why is Boston closing popular, profitable private businesses? To “protect the workers,” a.k.a. “the people who choose to work there.” (doubtful non-smokers would seek employment there-)

    “Anybody working in a bar of any kind shouldn’t have to breathe in secondhand smoke in order to make a living,’’ said Michael Siegel, a tobacco control specialist at Boston University School of Public Health.

    Well, congratulations, Michael—thanks to you, they won’t be—making a living, that is. They’ll be healthily unemployed because the government took away the job they wanted and enjoyed.

    How stupid is the Mayor’s position? Here’s Leonard H. Glantz, Professor of Health Law, Bioethics, and Human Rights at Boston University School of Public Health:

    If smoking is banned in restaurants and bars, those establishments remain open and the workers continue to work in a smoke-free environment. If cigar bars are banned, their workers become unemployed. This is a strange form of worker protection.

    If proponents of closing cigar bars wish to argue that those workers can find jobs elsewhere, then their argument that cigar bar workers are somehow “forced’’ to breathe second hand smoke vanishes. If other jobs are available, then the choice to work in a cigar bar is just that – a choice.

    Given that unemployment is also a risk factor for poor health, firing workers to save them makes no sense at all.

    Exactly.

    Oh, and is anyone else noticing how often the phrases “Mayor Menino” and “no sense at all” keep popping up in the same conversations?

    UPDATE! It’s not just Boston. My friends at Watch City Cigar in Framingham are under siege, too. The town says customers aren’t allowed to open the cigar cases and feel/smell the cigars. If you’re on Route 9, please stop in and show them some support—Padron-style!
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    * “Everybody’s afraid of the government and there’s no need soft peddling it, it’s the truth…I support Democrats and Republicans. And I’m telling you that the business community in this country is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he’s gone, everybody’s going to be sitting on their thumbs.” — CEO Steve Wynn

  241. Obama crashing and burning in Michigan.

    Obama at 41% in new poll out of crucial swing-state of Michigan:

    http://www.freep.com/article/20110719/NEWS15/107190365/Mich-voters-prefer-Romney-matchup-Obama-poll-finds

    WASHINGTON — Republican Mitt Romney still holds a slight lead among voters over President Barack Obama in a head-to-head matchup in Michigan, a new poll showed Monday.

    The poll of 600 likely voters by Lansing-based EPIC/MRA showed 46% supporting or leaning toward Romney, compared with 42% for Obama and 12% undecided. The poll was conducted July 9-11 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    Romney’s lead is little changed since the last poll in February, when he led Obama 46%-41%.

    ………………….

    If Obama cannot carry Michigan, he is burnt toast.

  242. Hoare was apparently dying

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    Just a guess, I’m not really following this story. But if he knew he was dying, that might be one reason he chose to blow the whistle.

  243. Actually there are many Christian churches in Hiroshima, and there is a Japanese facility very near Pearl Harbor.

  244. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 24% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18

    Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. That’s the lowest level of total approval in three months. Fifty-four percent (54%) at least somewhat disapprove.

  245. BC is saying he would invoke the 14th Amendment and I went looking for the text of the amendment and here it is:

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    So how would one use the 14th amendment?

  246. Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. That’s the lowest level of total approval in three months. Fifty-four percent (54%) at least somewhat disapprove.

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    What, finally they’re reporting it in a balanced way, with “somewhat approve” contrasted with “somewhat disapprove”?

  247. Mrs. Smith
    July 19th, 2011 at 6:28 am

    Ground Zero Mosque’ Clears Legal Hurdle to Build
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    The debate here on Hillary44 on this topic was amazing and very educational when this action was first reported.

    Now it quietly goes back in the news and again I am angry and disgusted by this court decision.

  248. “Actually there are many Christian churches in Hiroshima, and there is a Japanese facility very near Pearl Harbor.”
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    The Japanese Buddhist Temple was built 23 yrs after the Pearl Harbor attack. Japan waited until a long enough period of time elapsed until Peace between the countries was established. We didn’t bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the name of a Christian God. The United States also helped rebuild Japan after the war. Did Osama and his fellow “Muslims” help us rebuild after 9/11?

  249. “Now it quietly goes back in the news and again I am angry and disgusted by this court decision.”
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    Besides the thousands that died on 9/11, hundreds of emergency rescue workers continue to succumb to a slow death from the toxic asbestos material inhaled and fumes filling the air as they worked to clean up the mess.

    I doubt, even if the Supreme Court rules in favor of the mosque being built it will ever stand…

  250. Good post- thanks for posting the link- I don’t do Taylor Marsh. Many of us don’t..
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    http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/exclusive-former-president-bill-clinton-says-he-would-use-constitutional-option-raise-debt

    [BC]”Sharply criticizing Congressional Republicans in an exclusive Monday evening interview with The National Memo, Clinton said, “I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy.”

    Lifting the debt ceiling “is necessary to pay for appropriations already made,” he added, “so you can’t say, ‘Well, we won the last election and we didn’t vote for some of that stuff, so we’re going to throw the whole country’s credit into arrears.”

    Having faced down the Republican House leadership during two government shutdowns when he was president — and having brought the country’s budget from the deep deficits left by Republican presidents to a projected surplus — Clinton is unimpressed by the GOP’s sudden enthusiasm for balanced budgets. But he never considered invoking the Fourteenth Amendment — which says “the validity of the US public debt shall not be questioned” – because the Republicans led by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich didn’t threaten to use the debt ceiling as a weapon in their budget struggles with him.

    According to Clinton, the Gingrich Republicans thought about that tactic before rejecting it — and Treasury officials who served under Clinton commissioned legal research on the president’s power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. While some legal scholars believe the Fourteenth Amendment requires Congress to fund the debt that results from its appropriations, and therefore empowers the president to raise the debt ceiling, others vehemently disagree.

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    Clinton kills two birds with one stone cornering Obama as well in this quote:

    “Although Clinton says that if he were in Obama’s place he would raise the debt ceiling without legislation – “if it came to that” — he believes the crisis will be resolved before August 2. “It looks to me like they’re going to make an agreement, and that’s smart.”

    P.S. I guess Bill has forgiven one of my favorite journalists, Joe Conason…and all is well. Conason is one of the very best thinkers and writers there is..imo

  251. moononpluto
    July 19th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Obama crashing and burning in Michigan.

    Obama at 41% in new poll out of crucial swing-state of Michigan:
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    Payback’s a bitch.

    He thought he had them in his back pocket with the car bailouts…he thought wrong.

  252. ObamaCare hits Scranton with a thud.

    Scranton’s Changing Face of Health Care
    By Ryan Leckey 11:18 a.m. EDT, July 19, 2011
    The face of health care is changing in the Scranton area and that means two major health care systems could control all three hospitals in the city of Scranton.

    Community Medical Center, or CMC, announced Tuesday it will merge with Geisinger Health System. In a statement, hospital officials said the merger will integrate all of CMC’s entities into Geisinger, making “the Scranton area’s most comprehensive and integrated healthcare system.” Details of the proposed merger are still being worked out, but if the deal goes through, Geisinger would now have major hospitals in the Danville, Wilkes-Barre and Scranton areas. There is no word yet when the merger will become a reality because the deal needs federal approval which could take up to one year.

    The other major announcement surrounds Moses Taylor Hospital. That facility has agreed to become a part of Community Healthcare Systems out of Tennessee.There is no word yet on much the deal is costing but officials said Community Healthcare Systems is promising to keep employees in their current positions for at least one year. Community Healthcare Systems is the same organization that recently took over three area hospitals, including Scranton’s Mercy Hospital, which is now called Regional Hospital of Scranton. Community Healthcare Systems said it plans to invest $60 million in the Moses Taylor complex. That is in addition to the $60 [million?] already promised to invest in the old Scranton Mercy Hospital.
    http://www.wnep.com/wnep-lacka-scranton-health-care-merger-announced-20110719,0,5410860.story

    During subsequent editions of local news, WNEP will report on why there are so many healthcare mergers occurring.
    Geisinger is a longtime PA firm formerly based only at Danville PA.
    That current employees of the former Moses Taylor Hospital have only one year’s guarantee of employment with the new entity will be a shock to many here.

  253. I rarely cut and paste stuff from articles and for a reason. Go and give Joe Conason some traffic on his new website and click on the link I supplied instead of reading that stuff here. He is a good guy.

    Who cares if you don’t like Taylor Marsh and you certainly does not speak for everyone here.

  254. Betty, I don’t like Marsh either and don’t go to her website at all but when I saw her link on memeorandum for Joe Conason’s BC interview I was curious what posture she was taking. Her language is quite harsh and condemning of Obama. She has the right assessment of the situation.

    When long timers like me and others post something here, we are careful about it and responsible about it. I don’t like some character coming up and slapping us for posting what we think is relevant and of interest. They don’t rule or own this world despite their prolific posts and links. They can shove it if they don’t like what some of us post. There is a lack of respect and courtesy from that one poster that is distasteful.

  255. Betty
    July 19th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Don’t like Marsh either, but will add Joe Conason’s place to my short list.
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    I am thrilled Bill Clinton has made peace with Joe.. We conversed often on (don’t know if you remember Table Talk in the 90’s) still there with good old Freda Wienberg leading the charge as usual. Thin skinned posters are uncomfortable here. Pay no attention. Probably not US citizens anyway.

  256. Did Osama and his fellow “Muslims” help us rebuild after 9/11?

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    Not Osama, but that’s exactly what the Park 51 sponsors are trying to do now.

    Look, you brought this up with a story that really was news, though minor: the court decision. Don’t reopen all the rest again.

  257. No, Conason turned in 08′. He supported Obama and abandoned Hillary. Almost unforgeable. Occasionally, I would go to his site when he had written something uncomplimentary about Hillary and ream his hemorrhoids.

  258. Also, pointed Conason in the topic direction for his book.. “It Can Happen Here: Authoritarian Peril in the Age of Bush.” And asked him to start a project for archiving history. He named it The Athena Project.

    Books are being replaced with e-books. The masses are conveniently led to believe renting is better than buying their books. Text changes will go
    unnoticed, meanings will change. Thought this all through 10 yrs ago and the reason why Conason wrote… “It can happen here: Authoritarian Peril in the Age of Bush”…

  259. High profile progressives who turned against Bill and Hillary Clinton for Obama should be reminded on a regular basis. That doesn’t mean they don’t have something useful to say, but they don’t get a pass, IMO.

  260. Not Osama, but that’s exactly what the Park 51 sponsors are trying to do now.

    Look, you brought this up with a story that really was news, though minor: the court decision. Don’t reopen all the rest again.
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    No matter how you try, you can’t put lipstick on this pig. The simple fact is there is nothing comparable to the Muslims building a mosque nearby the 9/11 site. The insult is unprecedented. Japan observed a moratorium until there was peace between our countries. There never will be peace between radical Islam and the democracy and freedom offered in America. It is our birtright and we won’t stand for them playing both sides of the fence. Using our good will and what this country has offers to our detriment.

  261. Thin skinned posters are uncomfortable here. Pay no attention. Probably not US citizens anyway.
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    I am not thin skinned but I recognize lack of class immediately. Case in point — quoted line above from your comment. And who the hell are you calling non-US citizen? That is really offensive. Who the hell are you? Because old timers who frequent this site from way back then know who I am and what I did for Hillary’s campaign.

  262. sorry for the typos… I can’t blame anything or anyone else for my mistakes. Please excuse.
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    “High profile progressives who turned against Bill and Hillary Clinton for Obama should be reminded on a regular basis. That doesn’t mean they don’t have something useful to say, but they don’t get a pass, IMO.
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    I think something happened between them $$$ during the making of the movie, “The Hunting of the President”. I can’t say what the particulars are.. but Conason and Lyons together were a stellar pair of supporters all through the Clinton presidency. We all defended hard.. battle after battle at DU during Hillary’s campaign. Always 5 gang-banger Obots against (1)Clinton supporter. If there were (2) of us, they just turned on their heels, tail between their legs and went home. The bullys never win. They just become craftier sending in other posters to do their dirty work for them.. TS!

  263. BigCatLover
    July 19th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    High profile progressives who turned against Bill and Hillary Clinton for Obama should be reminded on a regular basis. That doesn’t mean they don’t have something useful to say, but they don’t get a pass, IMO.
    —–
    I’m with you on this.

  264. HillaryforTexas
    July 18th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Rachel Maddow is a clueless twit. May I recommend a Walther PPK or Sig Sauer for a new toy. Nice size. Easily concealable. Packs a punch. Check them out.

    I took a gun class and purchased my Walther many years ago. I believe women should learn to defend themselves and a gun, to me, is “The Great Equalizer”.

  265. Last week I read an essay by a person I can’t remember and can’t re-find the site where I read it. I wrote a comment about it on this site but didn’t post it as I thought why start a fuss.

    As close as I can remember the author was discussing political correctness, witch hunts, and lynch mobs. She mentioned the Harvard (?)Dean who was forced to resign because of an ill conceived comment about women and mathematics. All this lead up was to be able to mention a few sentences she wrote in that essay with out completely bewildering you. She seemed to be discussing how the things listed above are being used to destroy our culture.

    Again, as close as I can remember, she wrote:

    1000 year old jackals are circling for the kill, Europe has already fallen.

    Her words were much better, but I can’t remember them exactly, but was a wonderful and apt word picture.

  266. I cannot talk or converse with people out of control.
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    Steve Wynn Annihilates Barack Obama

    During the just completed Wynn earnings calls we witnessed what is without doubt the most blistering and scathing critique of Obama’s administration to date by anybody in the public domain. From the call transcript: I believe in Las Vegas, I think its best days are ahead of it, but I’m afraid to do anything in the current political environment in the United States. You watch television and see what’s going on on this this debt ceiling issue. And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President, and nothing will get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties..

    From the call transcript:

    I believe in Las Vegas, I think its best days are ahead of it, but I’m afraid to do anything in the current political environment in the United States. You watch television and see what’s going on on this this debt ceiling issue. And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President, and nothing will get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress. But everybody is so political, so focused on holding their job for the next year, that the discussion in Washington is nauseating.

    And I’m saying it bluntly that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next three hours giving you examples of all of us in this marketplace that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our health care costs escalate. Regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems, you know — that keeps using that word redistribution.

    Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they’re frightened of this administration. And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America. You bet. And until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it’s not going to change.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/steve-wynn-annihilates-barack-obama-administration-greatest-wet-blanket-business-and-job-cre#comment-form

  267. crazy horse
    July 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Yup- I’m with you- The local Beagle Club will be reopening soon after their renovations are finished. This little Club has expanded greatly in the last 3.5 yrs due to the present situation we are faced with now..

  268. What every you may think of the trial or Nancy Grace, I have to give her kudos for slapping down this Brit!

    Nancy Grace Defends Coverage of Casey Anthony Trial To Piers Morgan (VIDEO)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/nancy-grace-defends-cover_n_902525.html

    I know many people that come to America and become citizens, all of our families did unless we are Native Americans, but it really ticks me off when the media hires folks with strong British accents…like where the F am I, in Jolly ‘ol England? Work on a flippin’ ‘American’ accent for cripes sake. 😡

  269. /Mrs Smith’s 90 words of opinion/

    We were not at war with any Muslim nation, till Bush started his fake war with Saddam. We were hunting some rogue terrorists.

    Please don’t repeat all this stuff again. We have important current economic issues to talk about.

  270. the Harvard (?)Dean who was forced to resign because of an ill conceived comment about women and mathematics.

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    That would probably be Larry Summers. He was Bill’s Sec of Treasury after working his way up through Bill’s Treasury Dept from 1993. Ie we have him to thank for the 90s prosperity and balanced budget.

    I made a blog “PUMA for Summers” at blogspot defending him on the PC witchhunt.

  271. Shadowfax
    July 19th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    …but it really ticks me off when the media hires folks with strong British accents…

    Same here, TCF bank here in MN uses a woman with a British accent to speak from their ATMs, can’t hardly stand listening to it.

  272. Betty-
    I have nothing against British folks per say, but why do they get the speaking jobs on our tv stations and yes, in ATMs. 🙂 As if they sound more authentic or some such bs.

  273. turndownobama
    July 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    ———-

    hey, the fucking bully wants us to shut up. So let us shut up. She does not realize how offensive and hurtful it is to call a regular on this blog, somebody who put her heart and soul into Hillary’s campaign a non-citizen. What a fucker! Who the hell is she? I frankly don’t remember her from when I started here in 2007 in the heat of the primary. It is like a virus that has infected this blog. She goes after everybody, insinuating and belittling. Carol and some other commenter got the brunt of it in the last two days for expressing their opinion. And the most irritating thing is that she is always here all the time. I miss many of the old timers. I am outa here..

  274. pm317 – I remember you, and I remember turndown under her old name. I will agree that in READING the blog and not commenting so much anymore, it becomes very tiring to ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have to be either on defense or prepare for an onslaught of cut-and-pasted articles on “certain subjects.”

    NO ONE EXCEPT ADMIN has the right or the authority to warn any other poster to “back off” on a subject, but many of us do because we do not want to be HARASSED for our opinions or points-of-view.

    I have noticed over the last few days the absence of MANY of the regular posters. Now, this may be for any number of reasons, but I cannot help but think it is because it has gotten tiring to so often fight to have our opinions matter, without having to flick off the rabid and sanctimonious rebuttal, often coupled with – yes – bullying.

    Although some posters have a LOT to offer, and of course, Admin(s) is brilliant and funny and astute as hell on a wide variety of topic that matter, it is not any fun any longer to have to always look around the corner to see if the Word Counter will be drawn and aimed.

    The topic that elicits this action most is radical Islam, Islamic Fundamentalism and Jihad against the world and Americans and Women worldwide. I for one will NOT be silenced because one 50-something year-old woman has nothing to do all day but sit on her computer and fight with Bloggers and defend the most heinous practices of the most vocal and visible constituency of this “religion” and nwever, ever, ever answer any questions that perhaps could lead us to a better understanding of where she is coming from. I know 1950sDemocrat was a big supporter of HRC’s back in the day, and you, me and the rest of the “Old Timers” here were (I used to be SpaceGirl, but IMO something changed. Perhaps she is a “real” Progressive, refusing to believe their are people in the world who are inherently evil and want to do us harm, I do not know. But as someone I DO KNOW worked hard to expose the fraud committed by Obama 08 and the caucuses, worked hard to promote Hillary and HER values, i CANNOT EXPLAIN THE “DEFEND AT ALL COSTS, INCLUDING BULLYING” tack that has since(?) happened when speaking of Radical (and or offensive) Islamic practices. Maybe it was always there and radical Islam, or Islam in general was not a hot topic at the time and we just didn’t know. I just don’t know. But I will NOT be run off from ANYWHERE by someone who uses the same tactics we all condemn in Barack Obama – use of the figurative (or real) Race Card. You, me and everyone else here are entitled to their POV and SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOICE IT without it becoming an entire thread of being on defense. JMO – take it or leave it or scroll past.

  275. Boo-Hoo- yadya-yada-yada-yada..- So much bluster, whining and BS.. Open an effen window..
    ________________________

    Gunwalker: ATF Targets Were Actually FBI Informants

    Gun-smuggling cartel figures were paid FBI informants

    Probe reveals that the U.S. agency running the ‘Fast and Furious’ anti-gun-trafficking operation didn’t know about the alleged FBI informants. Congressional investigators are looking into the matter.

    By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau

    July 17, 2011

    Reporting from Washington—

    Congressional investigators probing the controversial “Fast and Furious” anti-gun-trafficking operation on the border with Mexico believe at least six Mexican drug cartel figures involved in gun smuggling also were paid FBI informants, officials said Saturday.

    The investigators have asked the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration for details about the alleged informants, as well as why agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the Fast and Furious operation, were not told about them.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cartel-guns-20110717,0,6972222.story

  276. “The Japanese Buddhist Temple was built 23 yrs after the Pearl Harbor attack. Japan waited until a long enough period of time elapsed until Peace between the countries was established. We didn’t bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the name of a Christian God. The United States also helped rebuild Japan after the war. Did Osama and his fellow “Muslims” help us rebuild after 9/11?

    ——————

    Well said.

  277. Mrs. Smith
    July 19th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Not aimed at you Norma Desmond-

    If you have the time someday… you can reread this thread and see who begins the attacks- Confloyd was almost run off this forum because someone here couldn’t stand the attacks on Republicans. He felt infringed upon.. The pampered pimpernel issued the cold shoulder to Confloyd…I defend Hillary no matter who the poster is- I defend our right to keeping America a democracy and not be taken over by radical Muslims and Sharia Law period.

  278. JanH
    July 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    It’s all true- It’s why discussions sometimes escalate when all the facts are not presented as they happened and as they are-

  279. Mrs. Smith – thanks for some of the BG. I read ALMOST every day, as I can – in snips and starts. Sometimes it is late and I scroll past LONG articles and catch up on them the next day. I work a lot – I am self-employed and I cook for my neighbor five nights a week (She’s pushing 90)so sometimes I am just plain tired and scroll past the jibs and jabs. Yes, I know of some who HAVE BECOME pompous, I know of SOME who have left, and I wish MANY from 07-08 were still here and posting regularly (IDunn, AnitaBug, OkieAtty, and BMerry of RBO Fame – and others to name a few)

    I KNOW that some of the folks here, after 08 abandoned EVERYTHING about the DEMOCRATS and mistook them for the DIMOCRATS. I also know that some hopped on the “Progressive” (Regressive) Bandwagon because they see more in common than with the Repubs. What 08 did to me was make me completely Independent – a liberation I had never known – after 3 times to DC (including the RBC) and then to Denver, I could no longer stomach what MY OLD PARTY had become – and that is why I am still here. Admin hits it out of the park regularly. I come for Admin – I stay because there are still fine people here and I LEARN THINGS – and as far as “News” this place has Drudge beat as a News Link Aggregation site by a Texas Mile! But I don’t read the sniping often. I don’t have time – or interest. But often, I do get my hackles up at the INCESSANT POSTURING regarding RADICAL FUCKING ISLAM, THEIR HEINOUS MURDEROUS TREATMENT OF WOMEN and CHILDREN, and their SANCTIMONIOUS POSITION to threaten us (and thew world) with “Shutting Up.” It’s what they want in the world – and it is what our President and his Media do daily – tell us to shut up – and I will not sit back EVERY time and just take it.

    PM317 has been around since I can remember. PM317 should not have to justify being an American or not. And PM317 is right IMO about “Who the Hell…?”

    I’m not running off. Never have, never will. I have to go cook now. I’ll be back later.

  280. Norma-

    I was the second person to sign on to this forum. I have no idea when PM317 joined but if that is the ruler for some kind of grandfathership, I was here long before her. Under a different avatar as the DU was reading here and assaulting us on DU. I am in contact with OkieAtty occasionally and I know she reads here. BMerry of RBO Fame has of late been e-mailing me several times a week with breaking Obama stuff I post here to get the word out. She has gone on to book publishing which is a fantastic leap for all of us…

    She has started a completely new RBO site- (I have to look up the new url and will post it here for anyone missing her posts.)

    I have her latest Obama book coming out soon on my site: @

    http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com

  281. Am I missing something, is the board at war? I’ve lost track, for god sake we all have on thing in common, running that bastard out of the WH and putting our girl in his place, we do not need to be cutting each others throats, the obots will do that happily for us. Have we all forgotten the unity we had in 08.

    We all get challenged on everything we write and have the right to challenge people, some people take it too far. Some of us have been here for years, some not so long. I’m not getting run off by anyone and no-one better run off either, you all belong here.

    I will defend the Dems that deserve it and the repubs that deserve it, we all have a home here, this is not DU which is dictatorial.

    Please guys, all of us need to get on the wavelength we got on in 2007/08.

    Like we used to do, if you dont like something, say your piece, get it out and move on.

    Lifes too damn short for us to be warring.

    I rather fight against them than with each other.

  282. Hey everyone sorry I’ve MIA…I should start having more time soon….the last week my daughter and grand daughter were in a car wreck…they are ok….just banged up a little…I have had the baby for several days and she is really sore and pitiful.

    I agree with MOP, we all need to stick together, otherwise we might not get OUR GIRL elected to her rightful place…Obama is just such a waste time….we need a real leader…did anyone catch what Bill Clinton said…about the debt ceiling? He’s still got it….We need the Clinton’s back in the WhiteHouse and we need it NOW!

  283. Am I missing something, is the board at war?
    __________________________

    If it is, they are at war with themselves. As someone said a few months ago. “If you want to fight look in the mirror and fight with yourself.” Someone is unhappy when his opinion is contradicted. I believe the last go round was with Shadowfax- She gracefully declined and the poster left. Maybe it was me as well. Whatever it was was so insignificant I can’t remember.. thats all I know-

  284. Anyway, i love you guys.

    You are the bucket of clean water to my MOP that is gonna sweep the shit out of the WH.

  285. Well if you are gonna bitch at someone, this guy will reply back in spades. At least he was direct, i like that.

    Wasserman-schultz was bitching and Allen West told her where to go. Fierce.

    From: Z112 West, Allen
    Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 04:48 PM
    To: Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
    Cc: McCarthy, Kevin; Blyth, Jonathan; Pelosi, Nancy; Cantor, Eric
    Subject: Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz

    Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me. Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige. You are the most vile, unprofessional ,and despicable member of the US House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district!

    I am bringing your actions today to our Majority Leader and Majority Whip and from this time forward, understand that I shall defend myself forthright against your heinous characterless behavior……which dates back to the disgusting protest you ordered at my campaign hqs, October 2010 in Deerfield Beach.

    You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!

    Steadfast and Loyal

    Congressman Allen B West (R-FL)

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/Allen_West_tirade_WassermanSchultz_viledespicablenot_a_Lady.html

    I like this guy.

  286. Compared to the crap Hillary supporters have been though in the past three years, a little petty swipe now and then is no big deal in my book.

    I came from another site because the backbiting was intolerable, and although we all don’t agree on everything, it’s 200% better than the Obots where I live and work.

  287. Obama hitting new records.

    pessimism pervades poll: 67% believe nation is on wrong track- highest number in Obama’s presidency (+5) on last month.

  288. Shadowfax
    July 19th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Compared to the crap Hillary supporters have been though in the past three years, a little petty swipe now and then is no big deal in my book.
    ____________________

    Seasoned players are indispensable. Some can’t let it go- they stand on the sidelines like yentas and all they do is kvetch, kvetch, kvetch to posters in other forums. Rolls off me like water off a ducks back. Haven’t got time to pamper their insecurities nor do I want to-

    Heres my motto-

    “In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.”

  289. Moon

    He is in free fall. We all knew when the public realized he couldn’t walk on water, it would get ugly.

  290. The non-citizen remark wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular nor the thinskinned remark- apparently it struck a nerve with the affronted party.

    JanH is not a US citizen- I believe she is Canadian- so what.

  291. This is a great blog. I don’t agree with all opinions, but so what. Opinions are like..well, you know. We all agree on one thing, however, that Hillary should be our POTUS. So come on people….

  292. This is a great blog but I have to make dinner… the drive by attacks should be banned because thats what they are- Bomb throwers throw bombs and leave..

    Later-

  293. I love this blog and read it every day. I rarely comment but I notice that everyone, even those with whom I sometimes disagree, have interesting information to offer.

    I’m with Norma Desmond on the Islam issue.

    PM317 please don’t leave, I love your comments.

    I do think “shaddup” was way over the top. Really.

  294. “shaddup” or “Don’t reopen all the rest again” or hey, the fucking bully wants us to shut up” or “Who cares if you don’t like Taylor Marsh and you certainly does not speak for everyone here….”

    ——————-

    All trigger points today and all upsetting in their own way. It always takes more that one to start a fight so maybe we can all take a deep breath and not point the finger at just one person.

  295. turndownobama
    July 19th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I do think “shaddup” was way over the top. Really.
    ___________________

    Really? But you don’t think telling Shadowfax to STFU was overthetop-

    Get real turndown. you above all people should never throw stones at anyone..

    Can you STFU now and lets move on- or are you going to keep this up?

    Just askin-

  296. Mrs. Smith,
    I was the one who said “shaddup” was over the top, not Turndown.

    I don’t always agree with Turndown but often she has interesting info to offer. Just like everyone else here.

  297. #
    Senneth
    July 19th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Mrs. Smith,
    I was the one who said “shaddup” was over the top, not Turndown.

    I don’t always agree with Turndown but often she has interesting info to offer. Just like everyone else here.
    _________________

    She involved my name. I responded.

  298. Ok, back from cooking. Love West’s comment to Debbie. It’s funny – I stood with Debbie at the DNC and with LULAC in 08 when we were all fighting to have Florida’s votes counted. She stood with us – we all stood with Hillary. Then, as they say – the rest is history. Debbie took a tumble off the wall of principle and fell into the sewer that was and is The Obama Campaign. The ETERNAL Obama Campaign. Now Debbie is just another Obot. Sad, really.

    Mrs. Smith – thanks for the RBO info. Brenda and I communicate regularly by phone and by email. And although I have seen OkieAtty post here off and on, I haven’t spoken with her in a while.

    I agree with Moon and others. Let’s stay strong. Obama has got to go. We will not have a NATION anymore if he stays, let alone a Country.

    IMO it was the Far Left and the Republicans who started this miserable time in American Politics when Bill got the Presidency. The Left pushed him too far left (and he wasn’t the ‘right kind’ of Academic) and he lost the Congress because of it. He operated MUCH better from the Center. Always had. America operates MUCH better from there too.

    And the Republicans, with their Puritanical incessant interest in people’s private lives just couldn’t stand this non-elitist either and were hell-bent to destroy him. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Ken Starr was related to David Axelrod or Valerie Jarrett. They are all of the same ilk.
    Now, I am not saying Bill didn’t have a few warts, and I didn’t agree with him on everything – but what I am saying it was AT THAT TIME the discourse of American Politics really crumbled.

    Cheaney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc., all were the evil in Bill’s Office with “The Project for the New American Century” and he threw them out. They whipped up the hysteria because they too were all little megalomaniacs like the current WH resident. Vilifying everyone in their path and willing to bring down the President for their agenda. Then they got GWB with Cheney’s hand on the tiller and TPTB had everything in place for their little wars that Obama is perpetuating and more – because HE fits their agenda too. Hillary didn’t. She was a “real” American. Still is. Loves this country. Obama – not so much, and TPTB could care less one way or another. It’s all about pawns in a chess game and we are the pawns.

    I remember driving from Galveston to Port Aransas for Christmas and listening to the Clinton ‘hearings’ on the radio and I was ashamed of what was happening in our government.

    For the past twenty years now Americans have been ‘set up’ by the Right AND the Left to hate each other, because it takes the focus off of the graft and corruption they are doing in Washington.

    These problems didn’t happen overnight, and we are fools if we think the SAME people who broke them can fix them. Nancy, Harry, Kerry, McConnell, McCain, etc., – ALL of them are part of the problem. All those Pols who have been in DC more than two terms are the problem. They all answer to the same masters, and they finally got together and cooked up the most crooked politician they could muster and made him President. There sits Barack Obama. A product of the Banking Industry and the last twenty years of corruption in American Politics.

    Why no investigations? Why no “background checks?” Why ignore all his real radical ties and his involvement in Crime Syndicates of Chicago? Because they want it that way – while we fight.

    Hillary couldn’t beat that, and although a Globalist in her own right, she refused the SELLING OUT of America and Americans – and that just didn’t fit the agenda.

    The problem as I see it is there WILL BE no “real” President again in this country until we as a Nation acknowledge EN MASSE what has been happening and that the Olbermanns, the Maddows, the Limbaughs, the Hannitys and the Matthews of the American Press are hired guns there to keep us all – Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians – or whoever – carping at and hating EACH OTHER while their Masters steal this Nation blind and diminish our standing in the world.

    You can go to any news story and STILL read the most hateful things about Hillary and Bush, and Bill and all of them. The level of discourse is ASTOUNDING. And sad.

    Rant off.

  299. #
    crazy horse
    July 19th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Here we go again. Help Admin! We need reading material! I’m getting sand on my keyboard!
    ____________

    Probably right, ch. Wait, we have to hear the grand exits. The I’m leaving stage Left emotionally charged solos .. then the don’t go begging starts… it’s really comical because it’s always the same dialog- not much in the way of creativity.

    Yup, I think we’re ready for a new thread… any bets how long it will be before an encore?

  300. Norma Desmond
    July 19th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Ok, back from cooking. Love West’s comment to Debbie. It’s funny – I stood with Debbie at the DNC and with LULAC in 08 when we were all fighting to have Florida’s votes counted. She stood with us – we all stood with Hillary. Then, as they say – the rest is history. Debbie took a tumble off the wall of principle and fell into the sewer that was and is The Obama Campaign. The ETERNAL Obama Campaign. Now Debbie is just another Obot. Sad, really.
    ______________

    Yup, she did Debbie and she’s in hook, line and sinker. Doesn’t she realize the Titanic is going down or is she so enamored with the ‘one’ but soo blinded by his oratory skills?

  301. Yes Norma Desmond. Keep us fighting amongst each other while they loot the country as they are looting Europe and the rest of the world.

    I didn’t agree with Bill Clinton on many things, but I truly believe that Hillary would have been quite different and would not have kicked all of us off the cliff that Bush galloped us to.

    At this point there is no one in the Republican Party I would vote for for President. And unless Hillary does jump in or Trump declares I think we’re all in for a very rough ride – to the bottom.

  302. At this point there is no one in the Republican Party I would vote for for President. And unless Hillary does jump in or Trump declares I think we’re all in for a very rough ride – to the bottom.

    Problem is for me Senneth, there is no Democrat in the race I would vote for either.

    In general I agree – although the No-Chance-In-Hell Gary Johnson is at least NORMAL to listen to. Seems to support Gay Marriage, de-criminalizing pot, and is fiscally conservative – and WILL NOT SIGN THAT GOD AWFUL PLEDGE the Reps have demanded they all sign.

  303. #
    crazy horse
    July 19th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    100 simoleons. Final offer
    ___________________

    I think you’ll make some money.. the odds are 10-1 there will be a repeat next thread. Everyone is responsible for themselves knowing who throws the first bomb…

  304. sniff…

    I hear that Borders is having to close all of it’s bookstores. Bookstores are like my second home. 🙂

  305. we all have on thing in common, running that bastard out of the WH and putting our girl in his place, we do not need to be cutting each others throats, the obots will do that happily for us. Have we all forgotten the unity we had in 08.
    ==============================
    +1000

  306. #
    Shadowfax
    July 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Senneth

    Another, if not Hillary then Trump supporter…glad I’m not the only one.

    Three, Shadowfax – and I know others. All Dems. Maybe that was the Right’s ‘problem’ with Trump. Democrats (not Dimocrats) like him.

  307. Agree, Norma. No Democrats running whom I can support. Is anyone going to primary The One?

    Shadowfax, yep Hillary and The Donald. I love that Trump says he cherishes seniors, seeing I’m a senior.

    JanH, I read that about Borders and I am very, very sad. Only real bookstore in my town, and I, too, love bookstores. It’s the only thing I indulge myself in: books. Sigh.

  308. Norma Desmond
    July 19th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    ***************************************************************

    well said…rant on!

  309. A good public library can also be very fulfilling in this internet age(you just can’t order lattes/pound cake).

  310. Three, Shadowfax

    ———-
    Cool peas!

    Yup, Trump is more of a centrist than anyone else running on the Rethug side, and he has the right plan to get jobs back in the USA and not feed cat food to the oldies but goodies.

    Also, I like him because he is not one of the ‘party first’ players, stands for the working class, out of the box and doesn’t let others speak for him. He is a great negotiator and can pay his own way.

    Three Big Pink votes and counting…

  311. jbstonesfan
    July 19th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    A good public library can also be very fulfilling in this internet age(you just can’t order lattes/pound cake).
    ——-
    Barnes and Noble has books, comfy seats and treats.
    Are they only in CA?

  312. The Chicago Dems are really playing hardball. This in all the German newspapers… notice the pundit’s name at the bottom..

    http://www.businessinsider.com/its-official-the-whole-world-thinks-republicans-are-dangerous-maniacs-2011-7
    ______________________

    IT’S OFFICIAL: The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs Threatening Everyone.

    Joe Weisenthal

    Yes, the rest of the world is watching this embarrassing debt ceiling nonsense, and it is growing dismayed.

    Der Spiegel has a roundup of commentary in German newspapers about the fight, and the universal message is this:

    The US is holding the entire world hostage, and it’s the Republicans that are playing with fire.

    Hard to accuse the Germans (who are no fans of fiscal profligacy) of being motivated by politics, or of having some inherent reason to attack Republicans. This is just the reality of what they’re doing.

    Here’s the passage from Bild, the populist newspaper of the masses:

    “Playing poker is part of politics, as is theatrical posturing. That’s fair enough. But what America is currently exhibiting is the worst kind of absurd theatrics. And the whole world is being held hostage.

    “Irrespective of what the correct fiscal and economic policy should be for the most powerful country on earth, it’s simply not possible to stop taking on new debt overnight. Most importantly, the Republicans have turned a dispute over a technicality into a religious war, which no longer has any relation to a reasonable dispute between the elected government and the opposition.”

    “If it continues like this, the US will be bankrupt within a few days. It would cause a global shockwave like the one which followed the Lehman bankruptcy in 2008, which triggered the worst economic crisis since the war. Except it would be much worse than the Lehman bankruptcy. The political climate in the US has been poisoned to a degree that is hard for us (Germans) to imagine. But we should all fear the consequences.”

    (via @allahpundit)

  313. Shadowfax,
    I have only listened to a few blurbs from the guy and while I disagree with him on many things, he just strikes me as someone not owned by anyone but his conscience and i think he loves this country. When did it become not a given that I want my president to love my country? I really like Sarah and would get behind her, but I am feeling like its time to step up if you plan to run.
    I would consider supporting most of the GOP field with the exception of bachman and santorem. Can no do. I am gay and find gay rights today to be a distraction and a tool for the far left and I respect Palin/Paul/and some other guy for articulation as to their beliefs.

  314. jbstonesfan
    Libraries are closing or reducing hours all across the country. Budget cuts. No way around it, but few will look at some of the expenses that libraries endure or the services they provide.
    Most if not all offer internet access as long as you provide ID(Patriot Act) Every search you do in a public library is traceable so that we do not offend anyone looking up how to kill millions of americans. Thing is the gov’t now knows every where I have ever been but today i can buy a laptop, get a prepaid data usage and conduct all kinds of activities and then just dump the laptop in the garbage. Untraceable!!!!! But if I look up Unicorns that snort pixie dust while singing the theme from Alladin on a library computer I am flagged.

  315. Shadow-

    The evening news said Borders were closing 499 stores across the country.

    ———-
    Yes, the fairly new, really nice Borders in my area closed. It was sad. Barnes and Noble is still open and was there longer and is an even better bookstore with all the goodies than Borders. Not sure if it is in other states though.

    People need a big place, comfy, with great books, chairs and food.

  316. People need a big place, comfy, with great books, chairs and food.

    ================

    Secondhand bookstores used to be cosy. I know, I started one. Low rent district, big space, big armchairs, antique tables, plants in macrame, classical music, etc etc.

    Then (after I retired)
    there was a lot of grief about the big box bookstores (B&N, Borders, etc) driving the secondhand bookstores out of business.

    Now that the big boxes are becoming dead dinosaurs, maybe there will be enough business for the cosy secondhand bookstores to come back.

  317. I like secondhand bookstores as well. Sometimes you can find some real treasures there.

    It just seems very sad to me when any bookstore closes.

    Must be the librarian in me I guess.

  318. Joe Weisenthal
    This man is one of the most leftist “reporters” you will find at BusinessInsider, the only one who is even more leftist is the ownner of that site, Henry Blogdget. Both are far far far far far lefties.

  319. Shadowfax
    Not so sure about that. Me thinks there is a multi-billion dollar industry making moola by discrediting and diminishing America and her accomplishments.

  320. tim
    July 19th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Joe Weisenthal
    This man is one of the most leftist “reporters” you will find at BusinessInsider, the only one who is even more leftist is the ownner of that site, Henry Blogdget. Both are far far far far far lefties.
    ____________________

    Thanks tim- I was hoping someone would recognize who the author of the article is and know something about his background.. the reason I pinned it to the Chicago Dems was because of the association of the pundit’s avatar at the bottom of the article. You identified the source as a paid Leftist who is looking to stir up Obama’s waning base of Leftist support.

    The Left has been slowly deserting Obama because they can no longer deny his broken campaign promises of Hope and Change are real and staring them square in the face.

    Now, they are at a dead run before he goes down completely. I don’t think characterizing the Repubs will serve any purpose for them, too much handholding with Obama. Much too late for that.. they are “one” party all after the same thing. Turning the US into a Third World country and finally breaking the backs of the middle class forever.

  321. Today I made Clara’s Italian Ice – a recipe I found on Uppity’s site. When it was ready I took a bit out and added vanilla, Clara says that is her favorite and she’s right it is good. But for all the rest I dumped in real lemon lemon juice, froze it a while longer and just now I ate it = all of it, it was good! yeah Clara!

  322. Have continued to read comments along, but decided to “jump back in” to hillaryis44…..remember so well the lead up to 2008 and the sanity this blog brought into my life. Seems like yesterday, yet when I look at what has occurred and the predictable freefall we find ourselves in – it’s been a lifetime ago. Sounds cliche, but four more years of this and we truly won’t recognize this country. Can’t even fathom the damage planned to be levied upon this nation in a second administration. One huge welfare state.

  323. #
    JanH
    July 19th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    I like secondhand bookstores as well. Sometimes you can find some real treasures there.

    It just seems very sad to me when any bookstore closes.

    Must be the librarian in me I guess.
    __________________

    JanH- over the weekend watching Pawn Stars a customer brought them a very rare book written and printed by Benjamin Franklin you would have loved. The book was printed in 1754- the cover was detached from it’s ragged spine, the cover hardly readable. The words well worn off the cover. The leaves of the 3.5″+ thick book were rusty with age. The first seven pages missing others taped with yellowed cellophane tape years ago- The only part of the title recognisable was the word “Confessor”… I’ve checked through his autobiography and there is no listing of a book with that word in the title written and published by him. An expert was brought in to authenticate the book- He said yes, Franklin made only 15 known copies of this book at printing. Just looking at the ragged old thing had me drooling over the treasure.

    Because of it’s poor condition the seller accepted $500.00 for it… I would have gladly given the money for it and sent it out for restoration…

  324. First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

    ——–
    Well meaning people can have different opinions, or different ways of expressing their feelings. These situations can lead to very interesting discussions.

    But if a bully jumps to the front and reflexively labels the person an “interloper” or a “provocateur”, only because of their own intolerance, then that chance for a great discussion and sharing of diverging viewpoints is lost. A bully shouldn’t be allowed to chase people away, or decide what can or can’t be discussed, even if that bully is your “friend”. “You” may be next.
    ——————
    In all the time I have read this blog, turndown has been subjected to a lot of animosity. I have never NEVER seen her respond in kind. I don’t agree with everything she says, just as I don’t agree with everything other people say, but I have to say I have a lot of respect for the patience and restraint she shows. And pm317 is a wonderful addition to every puma blog she is on. And I hope that Carol will come back after the other day.

  325. The Value of Medicaid

    [C]onservative critics of Medicaid — and of health care reform’s requirement to expand it — have made the outlandish claim that it provides such poor care that enrollees would be better off having no coverage.

    They cite a few studies that seemed to show that, in some cases, patients on Medicaid had worse outcomes than those without any insurance. They claim this is because Medicaid pays so poorly that many doctors refuse to treat the patients, who are then unable to get care or go to the least-skilled doctors.

    Those claims have now been refuted by a new study of Oregon’s program, conducted under the leadership of Katherine Baicker, a Harvard health economics professor who was an adviser to President George W. Bush, and Amy Finkelstein, an economics professor at M.I.T. It found that Medicaid patients reported both better health and more financial stability than uninsured poor people.

    The research was made possible by unusual circumstances in Oregon, where officials had only enough money to expand Medicaid enrollments by about 10,000 people in 2008. They used a lottery to decide who got coverage among the almost 90,000 people who applied. That made it possible to conduct a “gold standard” clinical trial in which two randomly selected groups with the same demographic characteristics could be compared — those who won the lottery and those who did not. None of the studies cited by the critics had randomly selected control groups.

  326. The Value of Medicaid

    [C]onservative critics of Medicaid — and of health care reform’s requirement to expand it — have made the outlandish claim that it provides such poor care that enrollees would be better off having no coverage.

    They cite a few studies that seemed to show that, in some cases, patients on Medicaid had worse outcomes than those without any insurance. They claim this is because Medicaid pays so poorly that many doctors refuse to treat the patients, who are then unable to get care or go to the least-skilled doctors.

    Those claims have now been refuted by a new study of Oregon’s program, conducted under the leadership of Katherine Baicker, a Harvard health economics professor who was an adviser to President George W. Bush, and Amy Finkelstein, an economics professor at M.I.T. It found that Medicaid patients reported both better health and more financial stability than uninsured poor people.

    The research was made possible by unusual circumstances in Oregon, where officials had only enough money to expand Medicaid enrollments by about 10,000 people in 2008. They used a lottery to decide who got coverage among the almost 90,000 people who applied. That made it possible to conduct a “gold standard” clinical trial in which two randomly selected groups with the same demographic characteristics could be compared — those who won the lottery and those who did not. None of the studies cited by the critics had randomly selected control groups.

  327. lorac
    July 19th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    ================

    Thanks, lorac. <<>>

    Sorry my above post went up twice. Dunno why that happens.

  328. turndownobama
    July 19th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Mrs. SMith,

    LOL! You “involved” your name yourself by posting “Shuddup”.

    And if “Please don’t open that again” is equal to “Shaddup”, then Shadowfax’s comment at
    ————
    You wasted your time running back and looking for the night you told me to STFU. I remember it well and try my best to totally ignore you.

    I won’t even go into explaining what I was trying to say to you at the time because you will keep the drama up until the cows come home.

    You and I disagree with just about everything except Hillary and some environment stuff…so I will go back to ignoring you. You are welcome to do the same with me.

  329. Betty
    July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Today I made Clara’s Italian Ice
    ———
    Yummm, sounds great…do you have the link?

  330. Shadow-

    If you have On-Demand movies, suggesting you see the new movie out today, “Limitless.” Fabulous premise. Well acted by Bradley Cooper. Co-staring Robert De Niro.

  331. shadowfax,

    Istr agreeing with your posts more often than not. Our spat on the “also serve” thread was not about issues. I was catching up on posts that were a few hours old, and you ordered me to drop that subject.

    The same thing is happening now. Others sound off in a lot of long dramatic posts. Then I’m ordered not to make even a short, calm reply.

    I’m getting tired of that.

  332. The way I dabble in Genealogy, I know how valuable libraries are, and I respect them, and love them. Recently I hit a community in Oregon that had actually closed there library. It was just recently reopen, and a message sitting there from me was promptly and throughly address.

    More and more they are asking for money, but almost 100% of the time the amoung is small, and reasonable. I am as concerned as people on this blog about the closing of libraries. There are so many other things that should go before they close a single library.

    Second hand book stores are also my favorites, and I think computer data basing has helped them. For instance I was interested in a rare book, published in my home area, which was out of print. I had the information, but I was lusting after the book. I registered my request online with the rare book data data base and so far I have found two of them. The first I purchased for myself, and the second I found another in my community who wanted it, and arrange for them to purchase it. Every time that book comes up, I get a notice. There are a few other books I lust after also, and I wait patiently, hoping I will one day own them. This would have never been possible without the databasing of the small local book stores. I love them too.

  333. turndown, I agree that calling names and telling others to STFU is not thoughtful of the blog or anyone.

    What do they always say in your personal life to get along with others… to not discuss politics nor religion.

    Well, here we do both and a lot more and we should all try to not degrade one another and just ignore if we can’t be civil.

    I totally lose it if someone attacks Hillary, so we all have our hot buttons.

  334. Since I am using a new iPad, I admit how fun it is to get a ‘book’ in seconds, and start reading.

    But I do love real books, the smell of them, the feel of their paper, and especially the art and photos that I can thumb though for inspiration.

    I do hate that many book stores are closing because of ebooks, but the good side is all the trees that are saved.

    Hopefully book stores with real books will always be there, especially the ones were people are allowed to be social (quietly), comfortable and sip java.

  335. NewMexicoFan
    I don’t know about small towns but in the cities and the near suburbs the libraries are being inundated by needs outside of what they were designed to provide. The homeless take refuge from the elements as there is no where else to go. On brutally cold/hot/rainy days the shelters boot em out at 8 am and don’t let them back in until the evening. Few public places exist where they can be safe and access a bathroom– get water. A needed respite perhaps but not in the budget. Security has to be increased as well as additional cleaning personal. And in the burbs kids leave school and go to the library til mom and dad get off work. Safe place for them I think, but not what Franklin had in mind.
    I love independent/used booksellers. The demise of corporate literature dismays me not in the least. Bye Bye Borders you had a hand in eradicating the small book shop owner who in the past gave exposure to what the corporate overlords would never have permitted. Doesn’t move a 100k we won’t display it. Little owner did if you were a writer up until the late 80’s and walked in with your books and asked begged to be displayed.

  336. Shadowfax
    I love my e-reader. Just so convenient that I can have hundreds of books on me at anytime. However, in my opinion, nothing beats a summer escapist read and for that for me means reading on a raft in a pool- ebooks cannot swim. Begs the question– last summer I read the Girl/tattoo/hornets nest/fire trilogy. Very much enjoyed. Any recommendations?

  337. henry

    I really love mysteries with female heroes.
    I have gone though all the Patricia Cornwell books and now I am working my way though Iris Johansen books. She has a boat load, so I am really having a great time with them.

    I do read lots of stuff at work, so I like to escape with fiction.

  338. What do they always say in your personal life to get along with others… to not discuss politics nor religion.
    Well, here we do both

    ==============

    WEll, it’s a polical blog, and often (too often!) some political issue has a religious element. Imo the place to draw the line is, to stick to the political issue, instead of generalizing about some religion in general.

    But on other subjects, as someone pointed out, to try to cut off discussion is also irritating, no matter how it’s worded, especially when someone has been away and is catching up, or has been letting others shout for a while before taking her own turn.

    I try not to hold grudges, or even remember who said what in a spat. When we get back to political issues, often a person’s next post is something I warmly agree with.

    Nice recipies being posted tonight. I’m going to try spreading out some okra on an oven rack and baking it crisp, if I can figure out what buttons to push on the infrawave.

  339. Get this : Clinton is wanted for 2016.

    a ridiculously early 2016 NH PPP Democratic primary poll.

    52% of primary voters said Hillary Clinton would be their choice, followed by Joe Biden at 16%.

    No one else registered in double digits- Andrew Cuomo at 9%, Russ Feingold at 3%, Deval Patrick at 2%, Cory Booker at 1%, and Brian Schweitzer and Mark Warner each at 0%.

  340. Its up to us all now to draft Hillary to go for it. The people want her for 2012, wont happen unless Obama stands aside but 2016 is hers for the taking.

  341. “Its up to us all now to draft Hillary to go for it. The people want her for 2012, wont happen unless Obama stands aside but 2016 is hers for the taking.”
    _____________________

    moon- If Hillary has the best poll numbers now- it is indicative the pulse of the constituency is behind her more than any other candidate. Destiny has to step in with a little help from the Justice Dept having Obama removed from office.

    Obama is moving too fast. His failsafe is getting as much destruction done before 2012 just in case he doesn’t get re-elected. Either way, the chess pieces have been moved into place. If he loses, the neo-cons still win and will continues with the Bush policies Obama was unable to accomplish.

    He has to be removed before the next election for two reasons.

    1… his destructive presidency,

    2… if it eventually proven he is not a NBC, he will have set a precedent having a Constitutionally unqualified candidate presiding over the US in the seat of power opening the floodgates for Constitutionally unqualified candidates running for the presidency.

  342. OMG- This is the first time I’ve seen Deval Patrick’s name in a presidential poll. Don’t tell me he is juxtaposing for an Obama VP position. The two of them were college room mates mirroring the politics of each other. The model for Obama’s Health Care Bill is based on the current MA HC Plan.

  343. This article was the most important article on the web yesterday. So, I am reposting it again for the right reasons.

    Bill Clinton in a bold move has forced Obama into a corner to do away with the Obama-drama that has filled the airwaves for the last month on the Budget/Default Crisis. Bill is taking the Bull by the Horns..offering to broker a deal in place of the inept dalliance of Obama. As you read on… Obama’s timidity and reluctance as a so-called Constitutional Law teacher dims like a fading star about to burnout. Obviously, the Clintons have not and never will abandon US for their own personal pursuits.
    __________________________________

    Bill Clinton advocates constitutional option on debt ceiling

    Former President Bill Clinton said Monday he wouldn’t hesitate to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval–a fraught political course that President Obama has been reluctant to follow as he seeks to broker a deal on spending with Republican leaders.

    Clinton told The National Memo he would invoke the constitutional option “without hesitation, and force the courts to stop [him]” if Congress and the White House fail to reach an agreement to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline when the U.S. Treasury says the government will begin to default on its debts.

    That’s much stronger language than anything we’ve heard from the sitting president during the grinding debate over whether and how the debt ceiling can be raised. Some legal thinkers–including, quite clearly, Clinton himself–take the view that the Constitution grants the president the authority to raise the limit by executive order without Congress’s approval. The Fourteenth Amendment states: “the validity of the public debt of the United States … shall not be questioned.”

    “I think the Constitution is clear,” Clinton said.

    But many other lawmakers and legal scholars dispute that interpretation. They argue that the president cannot force payment for appropriations under the Constitution’s language. There’s little doubt, in any event, that President Obama face a major uproar from GOP leaders and their supporters if he were to bypass Congress.

    Because of this, Obama has chosen to avoid addressing whether he would invoke the option.

    “I don’t think we should even get to the constitutional issue,” Obama responded during a Twitter town hall two weeks ago when asked about using an executive order. The president has continued to put pressure on Congress to “seize the moment” and implement solutions to the nation’s long-term debt problems while moving forward to raise the debt ceiling.

    Clinton on Monday slammed congressional Republicans for pushing back against raising the debt ceiling, saying it’s simply necessary to cover appropriations previously approved. “So you can’t say, ‘Well, we won the last election and we didn’t vote for some of that stuff, so we’re going to throw the whole country’s credit into arrears,” Clinton said.

    A CBS News poll released Monday found that Republicans are losing the battle for public support in the debt limit fight with 71 percent of Americans saying they don’t approve of the GOP’s handling of the crisis.

    The bipartisan “Gang of Six” Senate group–which has operated independently from the group of lawmakers overseen by Vice President Joe Biden–is set Tuesday to reveal a debt plan to colleagues.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bill-clinton-advocates-constitutional-option-debt-ceiling-132253374.html

  344. pm317
    July 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    TO my mind the purpose of this site is to spread information to Hillary supporters and keep them informed and engaged. I admire Admin’s posts greatly. It is unfortunate that there are posters who are rude and bullying and tend to slowly drive Hillary supporters away. Obviously, it is an ego thing for these posters and they appear to have a need to dominate the site, but offending people and driving them away does no favor to Hillary or the political movement that supports her.

    I agree with you. I skim more over this offensive nonsense and post less often. When I leave this site, I will most likely concentrate on work and other things and no longer follow the Hillary situation.

  345. Leaders, media ‘hiding what they know’ about Obama eligibility

    Investigator says, ‘I can’t wait to see Nancy Pelosi in an orange jumpsuit’

    The private investigator who has confirmed that Barack Obama is using a Social Security number issued to a Connecticut address, when he allegedly was in high school in Hawaii at the time it was assigned, says the leaders in American government as well as the mainstream media are aiding and abetting in concealing the truth from the American public.

    “They are hiding what they know to be the truth, that he’s not eligible to be president,” Susan Daniels said today. “I can’t wait to see Nancy Pelosi in an orange jumpsuit.”

    Her comments came in an interview with WND CEO Joseph Farah, who was sitting in for the vacationing G. Gordon Liddy today on his show that is live-streamed at WND and Radio America.

    WND has reported on the issue of Obama’s Social Security number. In fact, a lawsuit is pending now in Washington over a Freedom of Information Act dispute regarding the original, which remains sealed in the state of Hawaii.

    The first three digits of a Social Security number indicate the state of the applicant’s mailing address. Obama’s number begins with 042, which falls within Connecticut’s range of 040 through 049.

    The national news media have been virtually silent on this potentially criminal fact.

    Indeed, when Fox News finally attempted to explain it, the news network broadcast false information and then scrubbed the report from its website.

    When WND asked the White House about the issue, then–Press Secretary Robert Gibbs dodged the question.

    The Freedom of Information case by Orly Taitz’ is against Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue, and explains that because of the numerous questions surrounding Obama’s eligibility, his birth certificate and his other records, the information should be released.
    ___________________

    Yup, it’s still ongoing… will a Judge with a conscience please step forward take this case and run with it…

    The question begs- why would Obama’s Social Security number be under seal?

  346. HillaryforTexas: “From Spiegel: ‘Most importantly, the Republicans have turned a dispute over a technicality into a religious war, which no longer has any relation to a reasonable dispute between the elected government and the opposition.’
    ***
    You are a clueless, ill-informed, parochial (yeah, if the shoe fits), euro-centric idiot. You are the epitome of The Ugly European. You know how I know that? Because this is the United States of America, and we do not have a Parliamentary form of government. The Republican House, for all their faults, are NOT the “opposition” to “the elected government”. It doesn’t work that way here.
    So stop opining on governments and cultures that you quite obviously don’t understand, you insufferable prig. Your ignorance and assumptions are showing.”
    *****************

    Wow, you sure do have a vitriolic reaction to Spiegel’s statement.

    While you are right to point out that we do not have a parliamentary form of government, I don’t think it’s so odd to view Republicans as the current ‘opposition’. The Brits refer to the party out of power the ‘loyal opposition’, meaning that they do not have the executive power, so they are technically in opposition, but are still ‘loyal’ to the Crown as is the party in power.

    This fits in pretty well with the position of the Republican party today – out of the executive power but assumedly loyal to America’s overriding interests.

    The mysterious part of the Spiegel statement, for me, is when they say “… the Republicans have turned a dispute over a technicality into a religious war…”. While most of what comes out of the Republican party can be termed ‘religious’ or ‘mythological’ in my view, I don’t know what Spiegel means by a ‘dispute over a technicality’. Are they calling the debt ceiling, or deficit spending, a technicality? If so, it’s definitely a poor assessment of the situation. Or maybe they’re talking about something else… Could we have some context, please?

    **
    On the broader question of Europhobia versus Europhilia:

    turndownobama: “I wish we could hold a vote of no confidence and have a new president elected whenever one screws up.”

    HillaryforTexas: “I am really sick of the ridiculous Europe-worship that abounds in this country.”

    ****

    Euro-worship would indeed be ridiculous if it existed; but in my experience, Americans rather have your attitude, generally that Europe is the old continent with backward ideas and rampant socialism, bereft of American vitality and spontaneity.

    And generally I can only agree when you say that “Our history, our culture, the unique attitude of our people, and system of govt are entirely different.”

    The Americans I know also agree with your assessment that “I like ours a lot better than theirs,” and “I have no desire to see the USA turn into Europe. I love us. Warts, loud brashness, and crazy individualism and all.” which is proof positive that Americans are not Europhiles as you contend they are.

    May I suggest that you feel this way because you are comfortable with your surroundings but occasionally come across assholes like me who are indeed Europhiles and it sets your teeth on edge, you begin seeing us everywhere… the enemy within.

    While you have no desire to see the USA turn into Europe, you may nonetheless do well to take a closer look at countries outside the US where lifestyles, economic and political behaviors that are quite viable could be of use to the US. Not everybody is suffering from the burst bubble of 2008, for example, or worried about deficit spending and debt ceilings. Not everybody has to hassle with a robber baron health care system run amok, etc.

    This is what people around the world are wont to do – look beyond their own borders – and in today’s world, people worldwide are looking more toward Europe than they are to the US.

    Evidence: When the Iron Curtain fell, all the ‘liberated’ countries of eastern Europe – including Russia itself – adopted the French constitution. No one gave so much as a thought to the idea of a federal system with 3 branches of government on the US model. Most of the eastern countries then applied for EU membership which entailed, among other things, a viable social system, ergo socialism on the west European model. None of them opted for the ‘free’ robber baron model of the US, although Poland was tempted.

    Nowadays, the BRIC countries in particular, especially China, are multiplying their ties with the EU by leaps and bounds and are beginning to treat the Euro as the new reserve and trade currency: Wall Street’s run on the Euro last year fell flat on its face and now the Euro is worth 8% more than it was before the run.

    We Americans are ‘free’ to be Europhobes, but we ignore or disdain Europe at our risk.

    Personally, “I love us” too; but then again, I love just about everybody. It’s just that love apparently does not mean the same thing to me as it does to you. Loving “warts, loud brashness, and crazy individualism and all” is blind love to me, or obsession, but not love.

    In particular, we could have a long discussion, or maybe a battle, about the American idea of individualism. As a young man, I felt so much pressure to conform that it was one of my main reasons for leaving the US.

    As for “loud brashness”, I once got taken down by gonzotx on this blog for hinting that Americans were loud or impolite or something. Let’s see if she takes you down…. She’s a Europhobe too.

  347. Virginia ends fiscal year with $311m surplus, second straight year of better-than-expected revenue.

    Good for the Gop Gov.

  348. moononpluto
    July 20th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    “wont be the last either, this will be devastating to Obama.”
    _______________

    I also read yesterday, that the new buzz word for stealth Taxes will be “fees”- I was going to post the article yesterday afternoon but was distracted.

  349. Betty
    July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    That sounds wonderful. I will be attempting pineapple sorbet today. First time. I am a good cook but never made sorbets or ice cream. Should be fun no matter what.

  350. Elections have consequences

    New N.C. Map Gives Democrats More Heartburn

    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_10/new-north-carolina-map-gives-democrats-more-heartburn-207470-1.html?pos=opolh

    North Carolina Republicans released a second draft of a new Congressional map Tuesday that is worse politically for Democrats than the original version released earlier this month.

    The new map draws Democratic Reps. Brad Miller and David Price together into Price’s 4th district and puts Democratic Reps. Mike McIntyre and Larry Kissell together in Kissell’s 8th district. The first version of the map did not pair any incumbents together and the latest, and likely final version, looks substantially different from that draft and the current map. Tar Heel State Republicans attributed the changes made to the new map largely to the requests of Democratic Rep. G.K. Butterfield, an accusation he denied.

    “We felt we had a very compact, pre-clearance map for district No. 1, and Butterfield decided that he felt that he needed the Section 5s and, in essence, we gave that back and we moved him into Durham,” state Sen. Bob Rucho (R), chairman of the chamber’s redistricting committee, said in an interview.

  351. Speaking of favorite recipes…

    I feeel that over the last few years we have all become great friends here, the odd iritation or so, but for the most part a safe and good place to be.

    So………

    I will tell you that here at work we are doing a cookbook for charity and are collecting favorite recipes from fellow workers, family, and friends.

    If you are interested in sending me your recipes, I would very much appreciate it.

    You can send them to:

    epslib@telus.net

  352. The real deadline for declaring a GOP presidential bid is November 1, 2011, the filing deadline for South Carolina.

  353. I should also mention that the link I gave about is not my personal link. It is an extra link we are using for the recipes alone. 🙂

  354. While the nitwits argue in DC, the Evil ones make haste:

    Iran’s acceleration of its nuclear programme…

    =======================================
    Correct, yet the super liberals on flotillas and flytillasa (many liberal Jews included) are worried about the so called oppression of the PALS, who overwhelmingly in a recent poll agreed that Jews should be killed. These so called peace activists should be sailing/flying into Syria, Iran, etc. where real oppression occurs.
    Unfortunately, W fought the wrong war and Obama loves Muslims so Israel is f—ked. Bibi cannot strike Iran without US help, and that ain’t happening.

  355. Gallup Poll for 7-20-11

    Obama approval 42%
    Obama disapproval 48%

    I’m starting to like the trend, it gives me hope.

  356. ROTFLMAO!!!! The perennial Obama-gusher Contessa Brewer gets her ass handed to her in a most embarrassing way:

    must-see moment from MSNBC, admittedly a phrase heard only slightly more often than “the good judgment of Anthony Weiner.” Contessa Brewer gets into an argument over economic policy with Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL), and tries to talk him down by snidely asking him whether he has a degree in economics … which, to Brewer’s embarrassment, Brooks does.

    Brooks actually has three degrees: political science, economics, and law.

  357. Obama caving like a crap tent,

    Dem leaders at WH for meeting, 10 mins later…….1.40 pm White House signals open to short-term measures on debt

  358. “From Spiegel: ‘Most importantly, the Republicans have turned a dispute over a technicality into a religious war, which no longer has any relation to a reasonable dispute between the elected government and the opposition.’

    ==================

    Well, Spiegel didn’t say “the loyal opposition.” Instead of saying “the elected govenment” and “the opposition”, what terms would have been equally brief and understandable for European readers?

    In the US of course we’d just say “the Democrats” and “the Republicans”. But readers in Europe might not be so familiar with our politics. Would you rather Spiegel had said “the party in power” and “the party out of power”?

  359. “I wish we could hold a vote of no confidence and have a new president elected whenever one screws up.”

    Of course “I wish” wasnt’ serious, our Constitution is on a quite different basis. But there are things to be said for the Parliamentary system. They go ahead and get rid of the PM as soon as enough members of the legislature lose confidence in him. Then they elect a new PM that they do have confidence in, and get on with business (for a while).

    In our system, we’re stuck with the boob for 4 to 8 years, and the oppos-, er, the party out of power spends that time fighting with him on every detail, so nothing gets done.

  360. There goes Pennsylvania for Obama.

    US Treasury to close northeast Philly plant that prints Social Security, other gov’t checks, idle 190 workers

  361. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/US-Lockheed-plan-more-Philly-area-cuts.html

    US will close Northeast Philly check plant, idling 190

    UPDATE: The U.S. Treasury plans to close its Treasury Financial Management Service check processing center in Northeast Philadelphia by the end of the year, Treasury employees confirmed to me this morning. The center, which employs 190, is one of three in the US that prints Social Security checks and other goverment payments. The three big laser printers at 13000 Townsend Rd. in Northeast Philly can produce 180,000 checks an hour.

    EARLIER: A Treasury Department computer facility in Philadelphia is among hundreds of redundant locations the U.S. Government plans to close by the end of 2011 as it consolidates data services and moves more applications from physical servers into the worldwide computing “cloud.” (More on closings from NY Times here.)

    The office slated to close is operated by Treasury’s Fiscal Management Service, said spokesman Matt Anderson. Officials couldn’t immediately say how many workers here are losing their jobs and how many will be offered work elsewhere (say, at the big new IRS center at the former 30th Street Post Office, which replaces the old IRS complex in Northeast Philly.)

    Separately, Lockheed Martin, which last we checked employed around 10,000 at its military and aerospace centers in Newtown Bucks County, King of Prussia, South Jersey and other Philadelphia-area sites, says it’s urging 6,500 management and business enterprise employees to consider “voluntary layoffs.” The move follows 1,500 job cuts in LM Aeronautics and 1,200 job cuts in LM Space Systems last month as the US cuts growth in military spending. Lockheed spokeswoman Jennifer Whitlow declined comment on how the cuts have affected LM’s Philly-area payroll.

    ……………………

    Hope and change, more like hope and bullshit.

  362. US Treasury to close northeast Philly plant that prints Social Security, other gov’t checks, idle 190 workers

    =================

    Ah, THERE’s Obama’s August 3 checkageddon. The world will end, but only in Pennsylvania.

  363. and then i noticed this hidden in there…more jobs on the way out to where……………………….

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/technology/us-to-close-800-computer-data-centers.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&seid=auto

    U.S. to Close 800 Computer Data Centers

    The federal government is the largest buyer of information technology in the world, spending about $80 billion a year. The Obama administration, in plans detailed Wednesday, is taking aim at some of that by closing 800 of its sprawling collection of 2,000 data centers. The savings, analysts say, will translate into billions of dollars a year and acres of freed-up real estate.

    The government is following the lead of private business. For years, companies have been using software that shares computing tasks across several machines in a data center. The task-juggling technology enables computers to run at far higher levels of efficiency and utilization than in the past, doing more computing chores with fewer computers and fewer data centers.

    In an interview, Vivek Kundra, chief information officer for the federal government, explained that the data center consolidation was part of a broader strategy to embrace more efficient, Internet-era computing. In particular, the government is shifting to cloud computing, in which users use online applications like e-mail remotely, over the Internet. These cloud services can be provided by the government to many agencies or by outside technology companies.

    Tapping cloud computing services, Mr. Kundra said, could save the government an additional $5 billion a year, reducing the need for individual government agencies to buy their own software and hardware.

    Shawn McCarthy, an analyst at IDC, a research firm, said, “The data consolidation is really part of a much larger reworking of information technology by the government. You start with the technology plumbing, but the goal is more responsive and efficient government services.”

    This week’s announcement, analysts say, is a significant step along that path, naming 178 data centers to be closed in 2012. It is the second step in the program. In April, 137 computer centers were singled out to be shut down by the end of this year.

    But government officials say the federal agencies are moving faster than the initial plans, with a total of 195 closings now scheduled by the end of 2011. That would help lift the total to 373 data centers by the end of 2012.

  364. Pennsylvania is losing the check production facility, a long standing data centre.

    A Treasury Department computer facility in Philadelphia is among hundreds of redundant locations the U.S. Government plans to close by the end of 2011 as it consolidates data services and moves more applications from physical servers into the worldwide computing “cloud.” (More on closings from NY Times here.)

    The office slated to close is operated by Treasury’s Fiscal Management Service, said spokesman Matt Anderson. Officials couldn’t immediately say how many workers here are losing their jobs and how many will be offered work elsewhere (say, at the big new IRS center at the former 30th Street Post Office, which replaces the old IRS complex in Northeast Philly.)

    Separately, Lockheed Martin, which last we checked employed around 10,000 at its military and aerospace centers in Newtown Bucks County, King of Prussia, South Jersey and other Philadelphia-area sites, says it’s urging 6,500 management and business enterprise employees to consider “voluntary layoffs.” The move follows 1,500 job cuts in LM Aeronautics and 1,200 job cuts in LM Space Systems last month as the US cuts growth in military spending. Lockheed spokeswoman Jennifer Whitlow declined comment on how the cuts have affected LM’s Philly-area payroll.

    ………………………..

    cloud computing services, theres a clusterfuck and ease of spying if you ever saw one.

  365. Interesting. This is anecdotal, from a commenter on a blog, but I’d like to see the details of this plan that is 500 pages long that we can’t see because it’s “not even written yet”.

    Funny how I get the feeling that this “unfinished plan” has been finished for some time, but they want to wait til the dead of night the day before the vote to spring it on us.

    I just got off the phone with a staffer in Sen. Hutchison’s (R-Tx) office to encourage the senator to support the House CCB/BBA bill that passed last night. In doing so, I mentioned that the Gang of SIx’s 5 page bullet point outline that was released yesterday was woefully insufficient to count as a “plan” and should not be viewed as a viable option. This staffer then said, to my utter amazement, that the Gang of Six’s plan was actually 500 pages long! I asked her to clarify that. And she confirmed that it was over 500 pages long. I asked if she was referring to the previous Gang of Six plan that Sen Coburn walked out on earlier this year, which he called unworkable, and she said, no! She said that these new 500 pages were new and not related to the previous Gang of Six plan, and confirmed that that is what her chief of staff told the other staffers. I then asked her if that text has been made available, and she said no.

    So look out, GOP. We may be walking into a trap with this whole Gang of Six talk. Stay tuned for any details that break.

  366. Moon

    …tell me, if putting our data centres and other data on cloud servers is a good idea.

    —-
    Personally, I don’t like my underwear drawer being housed in a public space…but kids and those that put their lives on Facebook for the world to see, probably think it’s cool.

    Software alone on another server, not so bad as long as I keep my private files.

  367. DOUBLE VOMIT ALERT

    The HotAir snippet that admin has at the top about the Summer of Obama has the link to the obsequious Esquire article, which is so over the top, stunningly bad, that you can’t look away.

    Have a vomit bag ready.

    http://www.esquire.com/features/thousand-words-on-culture/loving-obama-0811
    Before the fall brings us down, before the election season begins in earnest with all its nastiness and vulgarity, before the next batch of stupid scandals and gaffes, before Sarah Palin tries to convert her movie into reality and Joe Biden resumes his imitation of an embarrassing uncle and Newt and Callista Gingrich [FIG.1] creep us all out, can we just enjoy Obama for a moment? Before the policy choices have to be weighed and the hard decisions have to be made, can we just take a month or two to contemplate him the way we might contemplate a painting by Vermeer or a guitar lick by the early-seventies Rolling Stones or a Peyton Manning pass or any other astounding, ecstatic human achievement? Because twenty years from now, we’re going to look back on this time as a glorious idyll in American politics, with a confident, intelligent, fascinating president riding the surge of his prodigious talents from triumph to triumph. Whatever happens this fall or next, the summer of 2011 is the summer of Obama.
    Due to the specific nature of his political calculus, possibly not a single person in the United States — not even Obama himself — agrees with all of his policies. But even if you disagree with him, even if you hate him, even if you are his enemy, at this point you must admire him. The turning point came that glorious week in the spring when, in the space of a few days, he released his long-form birth certificate, humiliated Donald Trump at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, and assassinated Osama bin Laden. The effortlessness of that political triptych — three linked masterpieces demonstrating his total command over intellectual argument, low comedy, and the spectacle of political violence — was so overwhelmingly impressive that it made political geniuses of the recent past like Reagan and Clinton [FIG.2] seem ham-fisted. Formed in the fire of other people’s wars, other people’s financial crises, Obama stepped out of Bush’s shadow that week, almost three years after taking over the presidency.
    But even that string of successes cannot fully explain the immensity of his appeal right now. Reagan was able to call upon the classic American mythology of frontiersmen and astronauts and movie stars; Obama has accessed a much wider narrative matrix: He’s mixed and matched Jay-Z with geek with Hawaiian with Kansan with product of Middle America with product of a broken home with local Chicago churchgoer with internationally renowned memoirist with assassin. “I am large, I contain multitudes,” Walt Whitman [FIG.3] wrote, and Obama lives that lyrical prophecy. Christopher Booker’s 2004 book The Seven Basic Plots, a wide-ranging study from the Epic of Gilgamesh on and a surprisingly convincing explanation for why we crave narrative, reduced all stories to a few plots, each with its own kind of hero. Amazingly, Barack Obama fulfills the role of hero in each of these ancient story forms.
    While Obama’s story is ancient, it is also utterly contemporary, perfectly of the moment. His gift — and it is a gift that makes him emblematic — is that he inhabits all these roles without being limited by them. He has managed, miraculously, to remain something of an outsider while being the president of the United States of America, the most inside man in the world. He’s African-American, but he’s not African-American. He’s from Chicago, but he’s from Hawaii. One month he’s bailing out the banks, the next he’s keeping Gitmo open. He pushes health-care reform through with an unimpeachable heave of will then extends the tax cuts. He walks smiling through the newly opened White House garden on his way to announce renewed efforts at oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Meanwhile, his “balanced” approach to the economy has led to a slower recovery than other industrialized nations and the war in Libya has been half-assed at best, which is exactly what war cannot be. For two years, he seemed disingenuous and defensive, pushed into roles that his predecessors had scripted, alternately playing savior then monster. But no more. We can finally see who he is, we can finally understand the reality: In 2011, it is possible to be a levelheaded, warmhearted, cold-blooded killer who can crack a joke and write a book for his daughters. It is possible to be many things at once. And even more miraculous, it is possible for that man to be the president of the United States. Barack Obama is developing into what Hegel called a “world-historical soul,” an embodiment of the spirit of the times. He is what we hope we can be.
    We love Obama — even those who claim to despise him — because deep in our hearts and all over our lives, we’re the same way — both inside and outside our jobs, our races, our cities, our countries, ourselves. With great artists, often the most irritating feature of their work is the source of their talent. Obama’s gift is the same as his curse: He’s somehow managed to be like the rest of us, only infinitely more so.

  368. Obama Would Accept Short-Term Debt Limit Deal To Allow Congress Time To Pass A “Grand Bargain”

    Isn’t this what Cantor proposed and then Obama got the hump and walked out?

    Obama the political backbone of a jellyfish.

  369. Betty
    Your comment is awaiting moderation. Don’t worry, it might simply be an overactive spam filter.
    July 20th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Shadowfax
    July 20th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Betty
    July 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Today I made Clara’s Italian Ice
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    Yummm, sounds great…do you have the link?

    You can find Clara at Uppity Woman’s site if you scorll down, or on utube:

    http://youtu.be/z4XPh5XTXcM

  370. Betty, thanks…I went to Uppity’s site and glad I did, that Clara tells some great stories and makes me realize how good we still have it.

  371. What did they expect? A teleprompter that spits out yearly Budgets for the Boob in Chief to copy and paste?
    ___________________

    White House Insider: Democrats Disgusted Over Obama “Incompetence” On Debt Ceiling Debate

    “A recent meeting at White House between Barack Obama and high ranking House and Senate Democrats results in the president walking out on members of his own party following accusations of incompetence against the president.”

    Insider: Received word of recent weekend meeting at White House involving the president, top advisers, and high ranking members of Congress. This meeting was not bi-partisan but involved Democrats only. This sit down came within a day of similar meeting betweenthe president and members of the Republican leadership. Contrary to media reports, it was not the meeting between Obama and Republicans that proved contentious but rather the meeting betweenthe president and his own Democrats that resulted in Barack Obama getting up from the table and walking out. The walk out occurred after a House Democrat directly challengedthe president’s lack of leadership on the issue, and shared fears the party would “be burned” by public opinion in much the same way as occurred after the Obamacare debacle.

    What follows is the word-for-word description of the meeting as received by me:

    President entered room nearly 30 minutes late. He looked grim. Not in a good mood. Seemed annoyed that he was being bothered by all of this. Gave personal welcome to –name deleted- but ignored everyone else at table. President given briefing by Senate staffer on debt ceiling negotiations.

    Twice seen rolling eyes and shaking head when Republican positions on subject were mentioned. –Name deleted- interjected during briefing to convey Senate’s hope that agreement would be made “soon”, as the issue was becoming “politically difficult”.

    This sentiment was then shared by almost all other members of Congress who were at the table. Briefing then continued but was cut short by president who then attempted a joke. When staff tried again to continue briefing, president cut them off and instructed them to “Put away the –expletive- paper.” (F-Bomb?)

    Senator –name withheld- came to staff member’s defense, and leveled direct accusation at president, declaring “White House incompetence” on the debt ceiling issue was putting the party’s chances in 2012 at great risk.

    President sat silent. –Name withheld- challenged Senator on accusation of White House incompetence. Declared the president cannot be expected to “babysit” for everyone in Congress.

    Senator –name withheld- did not back down, threatening to sign off on Republican proposal if White House did not offer up anything “remotely resembling a viable alternative.”

    President became increasingly agitated during this exchange, finally standing up from the table and walking out, declaring, “Good luck on getting me to sign it.”

    Later media reports indicated president had walked out of meeting with Republicans. That is incorrect. It was the meeting with his own Democrats that resulted in President Obama leaving the room.

    http://socyberty.com/history/white-house-insider-democrats-disgusted-over-obama-incompetence-on-debt-ceiling-debate/
    ___________________________

    The Constitutional President picking up his toys and goin’ home..

  372. I love this blog and I want everyone to keep sharing their opinions without worry. I read here nearly every day! Let’s just chalk it up to the blasted heat and have a water fight and cool down.

    🙂

    Hillary!

  373. Betty
    July 20th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Clara’s “I” ice is kewel beans!
    _________________

    Clara’s birthday is two days after Moms-

    Her’s is next month on the 18th, Moms is on the 16th.

    I’m going to have to have Mom meet Clara…

    Thanks for posting. The pics from the 20’s and 30’s are kewel too!

  374. “Declared the president cannot be expected to “babysit” for everyone in Congress.”

    ———————

    Grrr…There are no words for the incompetence and idiocy of the idiot in the oval office.

    What a pompous and disgusting turd!

  375. JanH
    July 20th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
    “Declared the president cannot be expected to “babysit” for everyone in Congress.”

    ———————

    Grrr…There are no words for the incompetence and idiocy of the idiot in the oval office.

    What a pompous and disgusting turd!
    ***********************************************************************

    O is in way, way over his head…everyone is beginning to call his bluff…slowly but surely the curtain is being pulled and OZ (Ozero) is being exposed…

    all that hysteria that got him elected is falling hard and with a big thud to earth…and reality…

  376. This article says that Obama wants to broker a deal. Bill Clinton would take direct action instead.

    Former President Bill Clinton said Monday he wouldn’t hesitate to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval–a fraught political course that President Obama has been reluctant to follow as he seeks to broker a deal on spending with Republican leaders.

  377. Shadowfax – if you like Patricia Cornwell, try Karin Slaughter. IMO, she’s waaaaay better! Good, tight plotting, better character development – and none of Patricia Cornwell’s stereotypic characters. She’s a lot younger than Cornwell, so she only has 7 or so books out – but they’re great! I also just discovered Gillian Flynn – she has two books. I read the second (Dark Places) and could hardly put it down! I’m just starting the first one now (Sharp objects)

  378. Mrs S-
    White House Insider: Democrats Disgusted Over Obama “Incompetence” On Debt Ceiling Debate

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    Man, it’s been a long time since the Insider spoke up and this meeting where a top person in the Senate really called him on the carpet, I wonder if that was Nasty? If it were someone else in the Senate beside her, I can’t imagine she would just sit there and not jump into the mix.

    They are really worried about 2012, and I wonder if it was over what he said about SS that got them pist?

  379. Thanks for the tips Lorac, I will try them. I actually really like Iris Johansen a lot, she doesn’t dwell on mundane stuff and keep you danging so long you get bored. She has tons of characters that are thread though the books.

  380. #
    Shadowfax
    July 21st, 2011 at 1:51 am

    Mrs S-
    White House Insider: Democrats Disgusted Over Obama “Incompetence” On Debt Ceiling Debate

    ———–
    Man, it’s been a long time since the Insider spoke up and this meeting where a top person in the Senate really called him on the carpet, I wonder if that was Nasty? If it were someone else in the Senate beside her, I can’t imagine she would just sit there and not jump into the mix.

    They are really worried about 2012, and I wonder if it was over what he said about SS that got them pist?
    ___________________

    I bet it was her. She went along with him through the midterms and had to watch her power slip away following him in the blind. He was probably afraid she would embarrass him even further if he engaged in a pissing contest with her. Having to explain why the obstructionism when BC showed him the way out.

    So, he does feel cornered and they (House and Senate) all know
    there is a solution and he refuses to use it.

    I wonder if Obama’s read Mutiny on the Bounty- Mrs. Christian?

  381. Watch Republicans begin taking aim at Bill Clinton for disrupting their little Grid-Lock Party with Obama. It’s a terrible thing to think about but… Could it be Obama and his new found comrades really want the US to default on paying it’s bills throwing this country into a BK situation?

  382. Top person in the senate? cannot be Pelosi then….she’s in the house.

    Must be Reid, he is not in favour of a short term deal, i read that yesterday, sounds like the Senate is very nervous, after all they are in big danger in 2012 but i bet Pelosi joined in, they must be rueing the day they ever backed such a lame horse in the race.

  383. Sarah Palin’s daughter in law is pregnant looks to be about six months, pictures of her baby shower are now on line, looks like the wedding two months ago was shot gun…. When will republicans learn to stay away from social issues, the media are going to destroy her again with this.

  384. I’m guessing we are just waiting on the announcement now.

    July 21, 2011

    Perry’s Wife Wants Him to Run
    Texas Gov. Rick Perry tells KHOU-TV that his wife wants him to run for president in 2012.

    Said Perry: “My wife was talking to me and saying: ‘Listen… get out of your comfort zone. Yeah, being governor of Texas is a great job, but sometimes you’re called to step into the fray.'”

  385. “Top person in the senate? cannot be Pelosi then….she’s in the house.”
    _______________

    Yeah, I noticed that too- thought for a second how the Insider blocked out the name… If he had said, Top person in the House, it would have been a dead giveaway-

    Reid doesn’t have spine enough to give Obama back-talk. Fancy Nancy has nothing to lose- she sees the writing on the wall. She needs one more good shove from Obama and she might just spill it all.

  386. “Perry’s Wife Wants Him to Run-”

    yeah, and the entire Bush Clan- Bet Jeb has nominated himself for the VP spot too..

  387. There’s one good way to get her to spill just get her drunk on live tv. Send her some Grey Goose. I’m sure some good media boy could spike her drink in an interview.

  388. House Democrats Rip GOP Rep. West Over Email to Party Chairwoman
    House Democrats lined up to excoriate GOP Rep. Allen West on Wednesday after he sent an incendiary email to the Democratic party chairwoman calling her “vile” and “not a lady.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/20/house-democrats-rip-gop-rep-west-over-email-to-party-chairwoman/?test=latestnews

    But the incestuous indignities heaped upon our Hillary – Democrat against Democrat – were OK with the Dems in the House in 2008.

  389. #
    moononpluto
    July 21st, 2011 at 9:23 am

    There’s one good way to get her to spill just get her drunk on live tv. Send her some Grey Goose. I’m sure some good media boy could spike her drink in an interview.
    ________________

    I’m in- Let’s send her a case… 😆

  390. So good morning american is quoting polls that say O is pulling away from the Rep field because the Reps are not handling the debt ceiling problem right.

    They did not tell you the name of the poll, if they did I missed it. Poll in my estimation are useless except for promoting your point of view, and it does not really matter how you got the numbers.

  391. Barack Obama’s 2008 bundlers flee political ‘machine’

    When Sen. Barack Obama began running for president in 2007, a small handful of determined, inspired supporters found a new political calling. A new group of professionals — from a San Juan jewelry store owner to a West Coast biotech executive — raised hundreds of thousands of dollars each for him and their “bundling” was crucial in helping Obama offset Hillary Clinton’s profound financial and institutional advantages.

    Four years later, many of those new bundlers say they won’t be coming back. For reasons ranging from disillusion and dissatisfaction to an overriding sense that the once idealistic Obama crusade has become yet another soulless political behemoth, that inspired cadre of early Obama supporters has largely been replaced by professional Democratic Party operatives.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59517.html

    ………………………

    read on, The Obama machine is crippled in many ways.

  392. Hows that economy boost coming on then……..

    New claims for jobless benefits unexpectedly rose last week following two declines, a setback for a sector that hasn’t been producing many jobs.

    Claims increased by 10,000 to a seasonally adjusted 418,000 in the week ended July 16, the Labor Department said Thursday. The prior week’s claims figure was revised to 408,000, up from an originally reported 405,000.

    The increase was the first in three weeks. …

  393. The person in the Senate who has called Obama out when he waffles has been Al Franken, but he’s not a leader. We need a list of who was at the meeting.

  394. HAHA paybacks a bitch.

    Federal Election Commission: Former Sen. Edwards’ 2008 presidential campaign must repay U.S. Treasury $2.3 million.

  395. Barack Obama is gutting the core principles of the Democratic party

    The president’s attacks on America’s social safety net are destroying the soul of the Democratic party’s platform

    Glenn Greenwald guardian.co.uk, Thursday 21 July 2011

    In 2005, American liberals achieved one of their most significant political victories of the last decade. It occurred with the resounding rejection of George W Bush’s campaign to privatise social security.

    Bush’s scheme would have gutted the crux of that entitlement programme by converting it from what it has been since the 1940s – a universal guarantor of minimally decent living conditions for America’s elderly – into a Wall Street casino and bonanza.

    Progressive activists and bloggers relentlessly attacked both the plan and underlying premises (the myth that social security faces a “crisis”), spawning nationwide opposition. Only a few months after he unveiled his scheme to great fanfare, Bush was forced to sheepishly withdraw it, a defeat he described as his biggest failure.

    That victory established an important political fact. While there are very few unifying principles for the Democratic party, one (arguably the primary one) is a steadfast defence of basic entitlement programs for the poor and elderly – social security, Medicare and Medicaid – from the wealthy, corporatised factions that have long targeted them for cuts.

    But in 2009, clear signs emerged that President Obama was eager to achieve what his right-predecessor could not: cut social security. Before he was even inaugurated, Obama echoed the right’s manipulative rhetorical tactic: that (along with Medicare) the programme was in crisis and producing “red ink as far as the eye can see.” President-elect Obama thus vowed that these crown jewels of his party since the New Deal would be, as Politico reported, a “central part” of his efforts to reduce the deficit.

    The next month, his top economic adviser, the Wall Street-friendly Larry Summers, also vowed specific benefit cuts to Time magazine. He then stacked his “deficit commission” with long-time advocates of social security cuts.

    Many progressives, ebullient over the election of a Democratic president, chose to ignore these preliminary signs, unwilling to believe that their own party’s leader was as devoted as he claimed to attacking the social safety net. But some were more realistic. The popular liberal blogger and economist Duncan “Atrios” Black, who was one of the leaders of the campaign against Bush’s privatisation scheme, vowed in response to these early reports:

    The left … will create an epic 360-degree shitstorm if Obama and the Dems decide that cutting social security benefits is a good idea.

    Fast forward to 2011: it is now beyond dispute that President Obama not only favours, but is the leading force in Washington pushing for, serious benefit cuts to both social security and Medicare.

    This week, even as GOP leaders offered schemes to raise the debt ceiling with no cuts, the White House expressed support for the Senate’s so-called “gang of six” plan that includes substantial cuts in those programmes.

    The same Democratic president who supported the transfer of $700bn to bail out Wall Street banks, who earlier this year signed an extension of Bush’s massive tax cuts for the wealthy, and who has escalated America’s bankruptcy-inducing posture of Endless War, is now trying to reduce the debt by cutting benefits for America’s most vulnerable – at the exact time that economic insecurity and income inequality are at all-time highs.

    Where is the “epic shitstorm” from the left which Black predicted? With a few exceptions – the liberal blog FiredogLake has assembled 50,000 Obama supporters vowing to withhold re-election support if he follows through, and a few other groups have begun organising as well – it’s nowhere to be found.

    Therein lies one of the most enduring attributes of Obama’s legacy: in many crucial areas, he has done more to subvert and weaken the left’s political agenda than a GOP president could have dreamed of achieving. So potent, so overarching, are tribal loyalties in American politics that partisans will support, or at least tolerate, any and all policies their party’s leader endorses – even if those policies are ones they long claimed to loathe.

    This dynamic has repeatedly emerged in numerous contexts. Obama has continued Bush/Cheney terrorism policies – once viciously denounced by Democrats – of indefinite detention, renditions, secret prisons by proxy, and sweeping secrecy doctrines.

    He has gone further than his predecessor by waging an unprecedented war on whistleblowers, seizing the power to assassinate U.S. citizens without due process far from any battlefield, massively escalating drone attacks in multiple nations, and asserting the authority to unilaterally prosecute a war (in Libya) even in defiance of a Congressional vote against authorising the war.

    And now he is devoting all of his presidential power to cutting the entitlement programmes that have been the defining hallmark of the Democratic party since Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal. The silence from progressive partisans is defeaning – and depressing, though sadly predictable.

    The nature of American politics is that once a policy is removed from the partisan wars – once it is adopted by the leadership of both parties – it is removed from mainstream debate and fortified as bipartisan consensus. That is why false claims in the run-up to the Iraq war, endorsed by both parties, received so little mainstream journalistic scrutiny. And it’s why the former Bush lawyer and right-wing ideologue Jack Goldsmith – back in May 2009 – celebrated in The New Republic the fact that Obama was doing more to strengthen Bush/Cheney terrorism policies than his former bosses could have ever achieved: by embracing the very terrorism approach he once denounced, Obama was converting it from rightwing radicalism into into the official dogma of both parties, and forcing his supporters to defend what were, until 2009, the symbols of rightwing evil.

    Identically, Obama is now on the verge of injecting what until recently was the politically toxic and unattainable dream of Wall Street and the American right – attacks on the nation’s social safety net – into the heart and soul of the Democratic party’s platform. Those progressives who are guided more by party loyalty than actual belief will seamlessly transform from virulent opponents of such cuts into their primary defenders.

    And thus will Obama succeed – yet again – in gutting not only core Democratic policies, but also the identity and power of the American Left.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jul/21/barack-obama-social-security-cuts

  396. Bundler rage against the Obama ‘machine’

    By ALEXANDER BURNS | 7/21/11

    “Rage” is putting it a little strongly, but Ben and Maggie and Byron Tau report that many of Obama’s 2008 bundlers are staying home this time around, in part because they’ve been displaced:

    For reasons ranging from disillusion and dissatisfaction to an overriding sense that the once idealistic Obama crusade has become yet another soulless political behemoth, that inspired cadre of early Obama supporters has largely been replaced by professional Democratic Party operatives.

    Campaign officials deny that there’s any “enthusiasm gap,” and indeed the new operation appears to be on track to raise as much money as Obama did in his record-setting 2008 campaign. But the identity and mood of the campaign is very different.

    Continue Reading

    The shift among bundlers is part of a broader transformation of an insurgent candidate of hope and change to an incumbent president grinding out his re-election amid the very real and often daunting world of Washington politics. As POLITICO reported recently, Obama’s small dollar fundraising effort will rely more on technical muscle and massive numbers – and less on raw inspiration – in 2012 than it did in 2008. Calls to most of the 105 people who “bundled” more than $200,000 for Obama in 2008 but didn’t appear on a list of bundlers released last week suggest the same is true of some of his more large-sum volunteer fundraisers. While Obama’s campaign always depended in part on Chicago institutional money, office-seekers, and other traditional fundraising sources, the new campaign will be more machine and less dream, more sweat and less inspiration.

    “It’s a political machine now,” said Pete Garcia, the chief financial officer of a Washington State biotech company who fell for Obama early and hard in 2008, and raised more than $200,0000 in his first dive into political fundraising …

    [T]he largest new cohort is the permanent Democratic fundraising class, most of whom bet on Clinton in 2008. And their sharp elbows and desire for credit haven’t gone over well with the early, more idealistic donors.

    “I would bet you that 90 something [of former bundlers] are guys like me – we still love the president, but we did it because we believe in the cause,” said another early, large-scale bundler. “But now we’re getting bumped by the old Clinton folks. This is what they do for a living. They’re animals and they’re political whores and they want the access and the credit.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59538.html

  397. NYT NEWS ALERT: Obama and Boehner Close to Major Budget Deal, Congressional Leaders Are Told

    Whether leaders can get it through their parties is another question.

  398. Boehner just denied, media is playing games, there is no agreement and Boehner said he is aiming for CCB. Just called the NYT liars.

  399. NATIONAL RETIREES LEGISLATIVE NETWORK ACTION ALERT
    The House, Senate and the Administration are about to make a stealth move to take away Health Care Tax Credits (HCTC) provided to retirees whose companies have either survived or failed as a result of bankruptcy. Tens of thousands of current and prospective retirees will lose their HCTC eligibility on January 1, 2014 if Congress and the President sign a bill that contains this provision.

    [Below is a suggested letter of protest plus a link to it. Letter is too long but I’m reluctant to cut due to lack of total understanding on my part. What has my undivided attention are two words above: RETIREE and STEALTH.]

    I am writing to request that you support preserving the Health Care Tax Credits (HCTC) provided to retirees whose companies have either survived or failed as a result of bankruptcy. As you may know, HCTC was part of the Trade Adjustment Act of 2002 and is offered to those employees whose jobs are lost as a result of trade that leads to loss of U.S. jobs. Active employees and retirees whose pensions are taken over by the PBGC during bankruptcy proceedings are also eligible for HCTC. When health care benefits are reduced or eliminated in bankruptcy and the PBGC takes over a pension plan, affected individuals under age 65 are eligible for payment of 65% of their health care premiums until they reach age 65. Legislative language in the proposed South Korea, Panama and Columbia free trade agreement bills would reset the HCTC at 72.5% but only until January 1, 2014. After this date, according to proposed language, HCTC would be eliminated, including payments being made to those who were granted eligibility as a result of a PBGC pension takeover. On January 1, 2014, those affected by the trade agreement will be eligible for favorable treatment under the 2010 Affordable Care Act (ACA) plus trade agreement subsidies. However, the bulk of current HCTC recipients, those affected by bankruptcy and PBGC pension takeovers who are under age 65, will not be eligible. Unless those affected by PBGC pension plan takeover have incomes under four times the poverty level threshold (means test), they will not qualify for even limited health care insurance premium support under the ACA. It is highly probable that employees and retirees of restructured “fair trade affected” companies will retain full pension benefits from their defined pension plans and special treatment under the ACA, whereas those in a PBGC termination will lose their defined pension benefits and their health care coverage until they reach age 65. To discriminate against employees or retiree groups not directly affected as a result of a fair trade agreement is unfair at best and would be poor public policy. Congress should not shift the health care cost burden to retirees in order to claim a trade victory and an estimated budget reduction of approximately $40 million. Congress should focus on eliminating funding for studies of the mating habits of wild animals, the building of bridges to nowhere and other shameful waste and not harm retirees’ ability to have health care coverage at a reasonable cost until the day they become Medicare eligible.
    I hope to hear from you that you will support preserving HCTC after January 1, 2014.
    http://capwiz.com/abtr/mailapp/

  400. mop: Boehner just denied, media is playing games, there is no agreement
    —————-
    Media playing big games. Viewed something this am, perhaps nbc, where Brian Mooag (???) twirled around what is going on with debt talks and concluded by stating “Giving President Obama exactly what he wants.”

    Yep, they dug really deep for that crap. Bottom feeders, all.

  401. The crowded GOP presidential field added one more candidate Thursday.

    Former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer officially declared his candidacy at the Hanover Inn at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, becoming the 11th Republican candidate to jump into the race.

    “You don’t want to miss this campaign,” said Roemer. “It will be something else.”

    Roemer blasted President Barack Obama and the other candidates, saying they’re ignoring two issues he sees as major problems: “unfair trade” and special interest campaign contributions.

    Pledging to refuse PAC money and only accepting donations of $100 or less, Roemer has so far raised nearly $96,000, with nearly $41,000 raised in the second quarter.

    “I ask the 98 percent of Americans who never give to a presidential candidate to stand with me,” Roemer said.

    Roemer served four terms as a Democratic congressman from Louisiana then became governor of the state in 1988. He made headlines when switching affiliation to the GOP in his third year as governor and lost re-election to a second term. In the private sector, the Harvard graduate worked as the CEO of Business First Bank after leaving office.

  402. Whoever gave that muppet a tv show needs smacking, however, Now that Al Sharpton landed that MSNBC job, maybe he can pay his $3.7m in back taxes

  403. moononpluto
    July 21st, 2011 at 6:55 am

    Top person in the senate? cannot be Pelosi then….she’s in the house.

    Must be Reid…

    ——–
    Ooops, you’re right. My mistake on that one.

    I just can’t imagine Nasty sitting still at the table. 😉

  404. Mrs. Smith
    July 21st, 2011 at 8:15 am
    “Perry’s Wife Wants Him to Run-”

    yeah, and the entire Bush Clan- Bet Jeb has nominated himself for the VP spot too..

    ———

    Completely wrong. Perry has many faults, but being a Bush crony is not one of them. The Bushes and Rove worked their asses off to defeat him in the governor race, endorsing and financing his opponent. They smeared and spread many rumors about him. I’m sure the Bushes would support him in the end, if he was the GOP’s best hope, but there is no love lost between Bush and Perry. They do not like each other.

  405. The next month, his top economic adviser, the Wall Street-friendly Larry Summers, also vowed specific benefit cuts to Time magazine. He then stacked his “deficit commission” with long-time advocates of social security cuts.

    =================

    Wasn’t it Obama who named the commission, not Summers? I never heard that Summers was for cutting SS/Med, either.

  406. IMPARTIALITY AT POLITICO???

    Like, now way.

    This quote says a lot: “But have any left Politico to work for a Republican? ‘I don’t know of any, but haven’t made any effort to keep track of where folks land,’ Harris said.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/20/politico-reporter-who-covered-palin-quits-for-democratic-party-job/

    Politico reporter who covered Palin quits for Democratic Party job

    A Politico reporter who often penned stories about Sarah Palin and other Republicans has quit journalism to work with the Democratic Party in Arizona, sources tell The Daily Caller.

    That reporter, Andy Barr, has covered national politics for the publication since 2008. Barr leaving to help elect Democrats will likely fan the flames of critics who say Politico has a liberal bias.

    It’s not exactly clear what his new job duties are. Barr wouldn’t say, but told FishbowlDC, which first reported that Barr was leaving, that he left Politico on “very good terms.” That report said Barr, who is from Phoenix, is taking a “political job,” but didn’t say where he is going.

    Barr is not the first Politico reporter to leave for a Democratic gig. Congressional reporter Jonathan Allen left Politico in 2009 to work as an aide to Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, a Florida Democrat, but he returned to Politico in 2010.

    Politico’s editor-in-chief, John Harris, responded to questions about Barr’s departure, writing in an email that the website’s management does not “worry about someone’s personal ideology so long as it is understood that their responsibilities at POLITICO mean leaving personal views at the door.”

    “Andy did that, and had a very good reputation for professionalism with colleagues, sources, and readers,” he told TheDC.

    “One of our first and most successful hires is someone who in a previous phase of his career worked as an aide for Republicans,” he said, “and we do have some folks who have written for more ideological platforms on right and left.”

    But have any left Politico to work for a Republican? “I don’t know of any, but haven’t made any effort to keep track of where folks land,” Harris said.

    While at Politico, Barr was a prolific writer of stories about Palin, including more recent ones titled: “Sarah Palin’s political mystery tour,” “So unfav: Palin’s poll plunge” and “Sarah Palin on Barack Obama speech: ‘WTF’.”

    A staffer at the Arizona Democratic Party said the state party’s executive director, Luis Heredia, is out of town and unavailable to comment.

  407. Shadowfax
    July 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    Carney: Economy Has “Vastly Improved” Since Obama Was Sworn In
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    Ummmm, Jay…it’s this economy over here that everyone’s looking at. You’re looking at a photo of Bill Clinton’s economy from 1996.

  408. Jobs in Wisconsin? From the policies of the evil thief dictator Walker? Say it ain’t so!

    😀

  409. Shadowfax
    July 21st, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    “weak job-approval numbers are “worse than they appear”.

    I think this is the first acknowledgement of the problems with polling the Dems are going to have. It is still taboo to say how much you disagree or dislike Obama in public or to strangers. It has to do almost totally with the behavior of Obama Dems in 2008 and since. Any disagreement is met with intimidation, name calling, and threats. The consequences are going to be that they are unable to gather accurate polling, focus groups, or other types of voter feedback. It is an enormous problem in that they will not be able to formulate messages, strategies, or plan effectively. It is the Bradley effect gone Godzilla. It could not happens to a bigger bunch of asses.

  410. HillaryforTexas
    July 21st, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Mrs. Smith
    July 21st, 2011 at 8:15 am
    “Perry’s Wife Wants Him to Run-”

    yeah, and the entire Bush Clan- Bet Jeb has nominated himself for the VP spot too..
    __________________

    Let’s wait and see- The seat of power in the White House has a way of letting by-gones be by-gones. And I’ll bet you Jeb will be his VP pick-

  411. Mrs. Smith @ 7:01

    I was interested in this part as well:

    As to your question about the Gunrunner topic, I can assure you that both Republicans and Democrats are now fully aware of the very serious implications surrounding the issue. I told you the story was about to break open via the mainstream media and that is exactly what has happened.

    The subject of a Special Prosecutor is being negotiated at present.

    As I told you earlier, White House is preparing for Eric Holder resignation outcome. They will continue to aggressively fight that result, but are acknowledging it may happen, and happen sooner rather than later. There was a cover-up. Republicans now have the specific information to prove that. It is now a matter of proving how high up in the administration that cover-up goes. It appears Issa is aiming very high indeed. Have you noted the increasing confidence coming from Issa, Grassley and others?

    There will likely be a significant development within the next few weeks or so on this issue that will leave you very pleased. There is a name on that Issa/Grassley list who is proving very capable in assisting the investigation. An old debt has been called, and the return on investment has been remarkable. I am in awe of (–name withheld-). They have played this out with the kind of skill Obama will never possess. Outclassed and outmatched at every turn.

    I’d bet my ass that the name withheld is Clinton, or their allies.

    Read more: http://socyberty.com/history/white-house-insider-democrats-disgusted-over-obama-incompetence-on-debt-ceiling-debate/#ixzz1SlfVefGw

  412. JanH
    July 21st, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Bundler rage against the Obama ‘machine’

    By ALEXANDER BURNS | 7/21/11

    “Rage” is putting it a little strongly, but Ben and Maggie and Byron Tau report that many of Obama’s 2008 bundlers are staying home this time around, in part because they’ve been displaced:

    For reasons ranging from disillusion and dissatisfaction to an overriding sense that the once idealistic Obama crusade has become yet another soulless political behemoth, that inspired cadre of early Obama supporters has largely been replaced by professional Democratic Party operatives.
    __________________________

    From Bundlers to Bunglers in one felt swoop. I really love this part of the second paragraph:

    “that the once idealistic Obama crusade has become yet another soulless political behemoth, that inspired cadre of early Obama supporters has largely been replaced by professional Democratic Party operatives.”
    ______

    That and the criminals running the Justice Dept.

    Fish rots from the head down!

  413. I’d bet my ass that the name withheld is Clinton, or their allies.
    ___________________

    Never Clinton. They don’t have to prove anything to anyone.

    Could be Panetta or FBI Director Robert Mueller who ends his 10-year, nonrenewable term in September 2011.

  414. “As I told you earlier, White House is preparing for Eric Holder resignation outcome.”

    ———————

    Does he get a pass and just get to walk out into the sunset or will they actually charge him with corruption and major law-breaking?

  415. #
    JanH
    July 21st, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    “As I told you earlier, White House is preparing for Eric Holder resignation outcome.”

    ———————

    Does he get a pass and just get to walk out into the sunset or will they actually charge him with corruption and major law-breaking?
    __________________

    They will fight to keep Holder in place until there is overwhelming evidence and testimony implicating Holder’s involvement.. To me, it means signed paperwork and live testimony from credible witnesses. If Okie is reading here she could probably give a better perspective how the system would work..

    However.. I believe the resignation would come first, then the charges would be leveled against Holder, then a plea, then a trial by a special prosecutor. It all can’t come fast enough for me-

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