They Also Serve – Memorial Day 2011

Memorial Day 2011, Memorial Day 2010, Memorial Day 2009, Memorial Day 2008 – a day set aside so that at least once every year we remember the fallen in service to this country.

Once a year those who gave “the last full measure of devotion” are remembered and honored. We as a nation, decorate their graves and pay our respects to “those who here gave their lives that that nation might live.” As President Lincoln stated, “It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.”

There are those who have not completely died. For these there is partial death – the emptiness that only memory occasionally salves.



The poet John Milton, discussing his blindness, understood that “They also serve who only stand and wait.” That meaning is not lost to families at home suffering for an absent loved one.

For some families the wait is long, but the loved one does return. Their service ends in bursts of joy.



But for families of the fallen, the time of service never ends. The time of valor never ends. For families of the fallen, the wait never ends.

For families of the fallen, Memorial Day is every hour of every day.

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457 thoughts on “They Also Serve – Memorial Day 2011

  1. ABM 90 and Wbboei,

    I’m 100% with you on your last comments.Nobody can fill Hillary’s shoes; and there’s no comparisson between the way Hillary sends her message to the people that she’s ready and prepared to lead this country than the cheap way Palin does.I want a woman in the WH but if it is not Hillary then a smart and prepared woman whom to trust (may be Condi Rice) but not Palin.I don’t want to be disrespectful, but I think this is Hillary is 44, and don’t go to Palin’s websites to tell this.All the Palin lovers could eassily go to one of her sites or form a Palin44 to say how wonderful you think she is.Maybe when Palin is Hillary’s age she’ll demonstrate she’s as extraordinary as she is!HILLARY IS 44!

  2. Vcal,

    Count me in with you, ABM 90 and wbboei. There is absolutely no comparison for me when it comes to Hillary and Palin. It’s like apples and oranges and bespeaks of desperation (in my humble opinion) to latch onto Palin as the one to support.

    Palin would not be ready on day 1. She has years to go before she aspires to the level of Hillary’s stature. For me it would be another rash decision on the part of Americans to glom onto her as the new hope.

  3. For families of the fallen, Memorial Day is every hour of every day.
    ##########
    Lest we forget.

  4. HEADQUARTERS GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC
    General Orders No.11, WASHINGTON, D.C., May 5, 1868

    The 30th day of May, 1868, is designated for the purpose of strewing with flowers or otherwise decorating the graves of comrades who died in defense of their country during the late rebellion, and whose bodies now lie in almost every city, village, and hamlet church-yard in the land. In this observance no form of ceremony is prescribed, but posts and comrades will in their own way arrange such fitting services and testimonials of respect as circumstances may permit.

    We are organized, comrades, as our regulations tell us, for the purpose among other things, “of preserving and strengthening those kind and fraternal feelings which have bound together the soldiers, sailors, and marines who united to suppress the late rebellion.” What can aid more to assure this result than cherishing tenderly the memory of our heroic dead, who made their breasts a barricade between our country and its foes? Their soldier lives were the reveille of freedom to a race in chains, and their deaths the tattoo of rebellious tyranny in arms. We should guard their graves with sacred vigilance. All that the consecrated wealth and taste of the nation can add to their adornment and security is but a fitting tribute to the memory of her slain defenders. Let no wanton foot tread rudely on such hallowed grounds. Let pleasant paths invite the coming and going of reverent visitors and fond mourners. Let no vandalism of avarice or neglect, no ravages of time testify to the present or to the coming generations that we have forgotten as a people the cost of a free and undivided republic.

    If other eyes grow dull, other hands slack, and other hearts cold in the solemn trust, ours shall keep it well as long as the light and warmth of life remain to us.

    Let us, then, at the time appointed gather around their sacred remains and garland the passionless mounds above them with the choicest flowers of spring-time; let us raise above them the dear old flag they saved from hishonor; let us in this solemn presence renew our pledges to aid and assist those whom they have left among us a sacred charge upon a nation’s gratitude, the soldier’s and sailor’s widow and orphan.

    It is the purpose of the Commander-in-Chief to inaugurate this observance with the hope that it will be kept up from year to year, while a survivor of the war remains to honor the memory of his departed comrades. He earnestly desires the public press to lend its friendly aid in bringing to the notice of comrades in all parts of the country in time for simultaneous compliance therewith.

    Department commanders will use efforts to make this order effective.
    By order of

    JOHN A. LOGAN,
    Commander-in-Chief

    N.P. CHIPMAN,
    Adjutant General

    Official:
    WM. T. COLLINS, A.A.G.

  5. These were Mitchner’s closing words in Tales of the South Pacific. They resonate with me because my dad was there on the USS Enterprise (CV-6), and because my dad’s boss was a classmate of Mitchner’s at Swarthmore. His name was Clem Biddle, scion of a prominent family in the Main Line of Philadelphia, and who trace their roots back to Colonel Clement Biddle, quartermaster to General George Washington.
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    “I wish I could tell you about the South Pacific. The way it actually was. The endless ocean. The infinite specks of coral we called islands. Coconut palms nodding gracefully toward the ocean.”

    “They will live a long time, these men of the South Pacific. They had an American quality. They, like their victories, will be remembered as long as our generation lives. After that, like the men of the Confederacy, they will become strangers. Longer and longer shadows will obscure them, until their Guadalcanal sounds distant on the ear like Shiloh and Valley Forge.”

  6. And to our friends like ABM 90 (93 and still fighting) who were in the European Theater, landed at Normandy and fought their way to Germany and pierced the Siegfreid Line, let this memorial day serve in your honor you and your fallen comrades. I do not think it is beyond the pale to suggest that with Soros–the last living Nazi and obama’s godfather (thank you for that one gonzo–my definition was too limiting)and his army of hitlerjuegen, we are still fighting the Nazis only they have become more sophisticated in their efforts to destroy our country and our democracy. As the Soros protogee Hitler once said: morans de ganzfeld, i.e. today Europe tomorrow the world. Only in the case of Soros it is today America tomorrow America.

  7. I consider this off topic for the thread, but the first couple of comments seem to have changed the topic. STOP insisting that women must be super women to be good enough to fill a job that any mediocre man is accepted to do. Palin doesn’t have to be as good as Hillary. She needs to be smart, energetic and her own woman. If she wants to run for President, stop with the putdowns. If HRC runs we will all be ecstatic, but that doesn’t seem likely at this time. So do we support another mediocre man. Last I heard Condi Rice wasn’t running either.

  8. correction: Soros mentor. Damn it let me do it over.

    And to our friends like ABM 90 (93 and still fighting) who were in the European Theater, landed at Normandy and fought their way to Germany and pierced the Siegfreid Line, let this memorial day serve in your honor you and your fallen comrades.

    I do not think it is beyond the pale to suggest that with Soros–-“The Last Living Nazi and Obama’s Godfather” (thank you for that one gonzo–my definition was too limiting)and his army of Hitlerjuegen, we are still fighting the Nazis today. Only the new nazis have become more sophisticated and equally committed to destroying our country–and everything it stands for. . .

    The comparison can be summed up in a simple phrase: Hitler said “morans de ganzfeld”, which means today Europe– tomorrow the World. Soros has the same malignant ambition, only his center of gravity is different. In a rare moment of candor he might amend that text only slightly to read today America–tomorrow the World.

  9. Admin, Amen

    BigCatLover. I agree we hold women to a much higher standard. While O held to no standard, no matter how much he screws up, how leaderless he behaviors, how trashy his legislation is. If anyone dares to suggest he should do better, theyare called racists. The only standard he has to live up to is being a memember of the Democratic party.

  10. BigCatLover
    May 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I consider this off topic for the thread, but the first couple of comments seem to have changed the topic. STOP insisting that women must be super women to be good enough to fill a job that any mediocre man is accepted to do. Palin doesn’t have to be as good as Hillary. She needs to be smart, energetic and her own woman. If she wants to run for President, stop with the putdowns. If HRC runs we will all be ecstatic, but that doesn’t seem likely at this time. So do we support another mediocre man. Last I heard Condi Rice wasn’t running either.

    Are you saying that we should accept a mediocre woman too? AFAIC, Palin is a mediocre candidate who will be a mediocre president similar to Obama. Although I agree with what Palin represents, there is no denying that she is not the brightest of the possible candidates. We don’t need to limit our choices to women. We choose Hillary because she is the most qualified who happens to be a woman. We should choose someone who is qualified, if that qualified person happens to be a woman then that’s just an added bonus. Choosing someone because he/she is of a certain gender is no different from African Americans who voted for Barack Obama only because he was black.

  11. rickya
    Way to turn a comment completely around and claim it says the opposite of what it says.

  12. God Bless our fighting men and women and the families of the fallen.

    They have sacrificed so much.

  13. BigCatLover
    May 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I have to agree- your post defines the reality we are faced with. No one has been able to fill Abraham Lincoln’s shoes either. So what do we do? Remain in a state of paralysis looking at the field of candidates we have to choose from- knowing we have to do whatever it takes to rid the country of the current scum?

  14. may be Condi Rice) but not Palin.
    *****

    YOU MEAN “PLANES COULD BE USED AS WEAPONS AND FLOWN INTO BUILDINGS BY TERRORISTS”…and did nothing Condi Rice?

  15. “Palin is a mediocre candidate who will be a mediocre president similar to Obama.”
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    No way! Palin is an American through and through- She did a great job as Governor of Alaska- and she supports the American people. How that jives with who you think Obama is- is really a poor comparison. Bush was governor of Texas before he ran re: mediocre- president and a testament to Big Cat’s post.

  16. “Palin is a mediocre candidate who will be a mediocre president similar to Obama.”

    I disagree, Waffles is not mediocre, it is miles below that. This isn’t about Palin. For me, and I am just one voter, a former lifelong loyal democrat, if Hillary runs (and it is looking very unlikely), she gets my vote, my campaign time, my donations 100%. But I am not about to put down Sarah Palin, I have seen her record, I wish she had not left the governorship, but I accept her reasons, she is miles better than Waffles.
    It all comes down to choices, at this point, America needs a leader or as close to one as people can get. I agree this is not about voting for a woman just because she’s a woman, I supported Hillary not because she’s a woman, but because in 2008 and now I think and thought she was the most experienced. Palin is not as experienced as Hillary, but that does not mean Palin is not qualified to be president when compared to Waffles. I’ve seen Palin supporters put down Hillary without realising how many Hillary supporters support both women and celebrate them.

    in 2012, I want Waffles and Mrs. Waffles kicked out of the WH, there are those Palin devotees who want Palin elected more than Waffles defeated. I’m in the second camp, this country is on the very edge of a cliff of financial ruin, many countries have gone through this in the past hundreds of years. So, if Hillary runs, she’s got my absolute support, if she doesn’t then I will support anyone at this point who is the repub nominee. I want that person to be Sarah Palin, she’s the only one I see on the repub side with any courage, but she doesn’t win the nomination, then I will vote for anyone who is the repub nominee, that is how bad Waffles is for this country.

    As for women running for office, I always agreed with Gerry Ferraro’s statement that when any woman runs, its a good thing for all women, just my opinion, but I will not use one woman to put down another woman, yes comparing qualifications, experience is all fair game, but again, whenever a woman runs for office, it is a good thing for all women, and I still firmly believe that.

  17. It’s a beautiful sunny warm but breezy day where I live so I’m off to a picnic. Our family is lucky in that with my father and 2 uncles in WWII and my 2 brothers in the Vietnam War, we did not lose anyone. So our Memorial Day is more of a remembrance of family members who have passed day. But that’s my generation not the younger generation’s, unfortunately.

  18. No use comparing Sarah to Hillary. There is no contest.

    Since Hillary will probably not be in the 2012 race, we will most likely be voting for the ‘other person’ running against Ubama, no matter who the Rethugs and Independents run.

    That’s the way it was in 2008 and we are still No-Obama until he packs his bags and gets the Hell out of our WhiteHouse!

  19. No way! Palin is an American through and through- She did a great job as Governor of Alaska
    ***

    Except she quit…Hillary would NEVER quit!

  20. Except she quit… Hillary would NEVER quit!
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    They were both FORCED to quit- for different reasons.
    Anyway you slice it, they were both forced to QUIT!

  21. BigCatLover
    May 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

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    Not putdowns of Palin. Just opinions that she is not yet ready for potus.

  22. If I had only one wish it would be that people see through the labels of democrat vs republican, conservative vs liberal–they are a way for the elites to divide and conquer. The more we buy into them the more we set ourselves up for a Hegelian resolution which favors the elites–not us. It seems to me that there are some fundamental things we can agree on such as the country is going to hell, the middle class is dissolving before our eyes, and the elites are getting fatter by the day. If we can agree on that much then perhaps we can find a way to redefine the political debate in terms of what is real–the haves and the have nots. This is where someone like Hillary, Palin, Trump has the advantage. They do speak for us, in ways that Obama never will.

  23. I don’t see Hillary as quitting anything, she won and we all know what happened on the floor of the convention and what threats were made to the delegates.

    Sarah did quit, although she had her reasons being that the lawsuits against her by obots left her little time or money to do her job.

    Both women were abused and one made the choice to leave, the other was run over by a DNC coup.

  24. democrat1
    May 30th, 2011 at 6:15 am

    There is a nice You Tube video

    3 Years- Still Together PUMA
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    Thank you for posting this on the last thread.
    It brings back a lot of happy and very sad memories.
    I am in many of the photos of the protests in Denver, met a lot of wonderful Hillary supporters there, delegates, superdelegates and never got to meet Hillary in person…

  25. never got to meet Hillary in person…

    But she’s in your heart, Shadow – you already “know” her!

    I also hope some day I will meet her – and if I only have time to say two words, it will be “thank you”.

    I always make sure to wear one of my PUMA shirts at this time of year – I’m going to have to make sure I go out to the stores today to show my PUMA presence!

  26. BigCatLover
    May 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
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    Thank you for your comment on this. I DON’T feel it the least bit necessary to compare Sarah Palin to Hillary Clinton. Really, what is the purpose of that? What really bothers me about that thought process is that some of the people seem to be using the same type of language that was used against Hillary by her opponents. Also, they don’t seem to give credit to anything Sarah Palin has accomplished in her limited, but fruitful time as governor of Alaska. To be fair, she has executive experience that arguably Hillary does not. Most importantly, she seems genuine, and not the typical political fraud. Mrs. Smith is correct. Both Hillary and Sarah were forced to quit. How soon one forgets. Admittedly, if you did not pay much attention to what was happening in Alaska at the time of Sarah’s governorship, she was being hounded through lawsuits that forced her to choose between not being able to perform her job because of all of the distractions (lawsuits that were done to harass her) or leaving office so that the work of governor could continue unimpeded. She was targeted by leftist who wanted to silence her, and also by some within the Republican party (like that dog Lisa Murkowski) because Sarah had the mitigated gall to stand up to them, and fight their corruption. I am not here asking people to support Sarah Palin, but to just be fair to her. I know there are mostly Democrats here (I am one, too), who find it very difficult to cross party lines. I was that way for 26 years of voting, but I am not that way anymore. I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils if I am forced to do so, even if it turns out that Sarah Palin is that “lesser”. Personally, I don’t look at her that way. I admit that she has less worldly experience than Hillary Clinton, but again, I don’t feel it necessary to focus on something that to me is just one small consideration. So, you all can continue with your misguided judgments, as far as I’m concerned, but you start to lose a little respect in my eyes when you do so.

  27. lorac
    May 30th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
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    I don’t own a PUMA shirt per se, but I do own several PUMA sports apparel t-shirts that I wore when Hillary was in the primaries just to antagonize others who might have wondered if I was doing it in support of Hillary, or if I was just wearing a regular ol’ t-shirt. I like the Puma sports apparel, even before the word PUMA became something associated with Hillary Clinton.

  28. Sarah Palin today:

    “We don’t need a fundamentally transformed America. We need to restore what is good about America.”

  29. gonzotx
    May 30th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
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    If you want to get technical, Hillary did quit her run. Don’t you remember towards the end when Hillary has asked her supporters what WE WANTED her to do? Many said to fight on. Hillary folded. I was soooo disappointed with that, but I understand her reasons.

  30. tim
    May 30th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
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    I liked and respected Geraldine Ferraro. She was the reason for my excitement when Mondale ran for the presidency. I thought back then “wow, a woman may finally find herself in the White House, even if it was the VP, and not the president”. She was spunky back then, and we all got to witness that more recently during Hillary’s campaign. Geraldine was not afraid to speak out.

  31. Mrs. Smith
    May 30th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    I believe the realization is growing among Americans who love their country, that there will be no escaping civil upheaval and possibly even revolution. We have been backing up as the onslaught against our national heritage has been proceeding unabated and it is clear that it will be obliterated in a very few more years beyond recall unless the people take a stand.
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    I have had this uneasy feeling for the last few years. When I witnessed what was beginning to happen to the workforce in America back in the early 2000’s is when I first thought that in my lifetime, I may witness politican upheaval and civil unrest that Americans living during the 1920’s and 1930’s experienced. I don’t look forward to that, but I understand just how it may transpire.

  32. ok, I just had CNN for a bit, and some jacka$$ actually said “There’s no place for Sarah Palin next year”

    Well, who the hell made this a$$hole the decider of who gets to run and who doesn’t?!? reminds me of the same A$$hole who kept telling Hillary to leave the campaign, and Hillary had to keep saying “I believe in finishing the entire primaries”

    What a bunch of arrogant DC asshole elitists, acting like they know better than all of us, and decide what WE THE PEOPLE should do. Stupid Dumba$$es, what the hell what this country then founded for? Lets just all become subjects of the British crown again, and let others decide everything for us!

    so some damn elitists in DC and the the corporate press tell the american people what to think, who to vote for, that they know the better than the rest of us working classes! Everyday these elitists piss me off more and more. These a-holes created this mess, and now tell us, oh don’t think for yourselves, we’ll let you know the info, how to think, what to think, who to vote for, etc, etc etc.

  33. If you want to get technical, Hillary did quit her run. Don’t you remember towards the end when Hillary has asked her supporters what WE WANTED her to do? Many said to fight on. Hillary folded. I was soooo disappointed with that, but I understand her reasons.
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    Sorry to make the point again, Hillary did not QUIT!

    I was in freakin’ Denver, I know what happened there and to say Hillary just rolled over is not true.

    This is Memorial Day, not the day to try and prop up the ladies we support.

    I am done with this discussion.

  34. Shadowfax
    May 30th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
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    Who said “Hillary rolled over”? I understand that her supporters were threatened in Denver. I can imagine that Hillary was threatened, too. Out of respect, I won’t continue with this today, but maybe you can provide a better explanation in the future? I remember what Hillary asked her supporters at the end. People could write their answers to that question on her campaign website. I don’t know anything about what happened in Denver other than what I have read about it. “I am done with this discussion” is your choice, but it only leaves further questions.

  35. On this Memorial day, I also want to thank America’s military for their honorable sacrifices that they make to keep America safe and free. I admire our military’s selflessness, and bravery.

  36. BASIL99
    May 30th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    absolutely beautiful, thank you for posting. God bless our US military indeed, no words of thanks can ever be enough for their sacrifices.

  37. BASIL99
    May 30th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
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    That was nice. My maternal grandfather was a medic in WWll. He passed away at 90 years old about 6 years ago. My Dad was a Marine during the Korean War, while my uncle was in the Army during the Korean War. That was the end of the military legacy in my family. They are all now deceased.

  38. What I want is Hillary to stand up and say enough is enough am in it to win it and challenge Obama. Isn’t there any democratic out there who is willing to stand up and challenge him. Someone please stand up. The day the music died May 31st 2008.

  39. tim
    May 30th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    I disagree, Waffles is not mediocre, it is miles below that. This isn’t about Palin. For me, and I am just one voter, a former lifelong loyal democrat, if Hillary runs (and it is looking very unlikely), she gets my vote, my campaign time, my donations 100%. But I am not about to put down Sarah Palin, I have seen her record, I wish she had not left the governorship, but I accept her reasons, she is miles better than Waffles.
    It all comes down to choices, at this point, America needs a leader or as close to one as people can get. I agree this is not about voting for a woman just because she’s a woman, I supported Hillary not because she’s a woman, but because in 2008 and now I think and thought she was the most experienced. Palin is not as experienced as Hillary, but that does not mean Palin is not qualified to be president when compared to Waffles. I’ve seen Palin supporters put down Hillary without realising how many Hillary supporters support both women and celebrate them.

    in 2012, I want Waffles and Mrs. Waffles kicked out of the WH, there are those Palin devotees who want Palin elected more than Waffles defeated. I’m in the second camp, this country is on the very edge of a cliff of financial ruin, many countries have gone through this in the past hundreds of years. So, if Hillary runs, she’s got my absolute support, if she doesn’t then I will support anyone at this point who is the repub nominee. I want that person to be Sarah Palin, she’s the only one I see on the repub side with any courage, but she doesn’t win the nomination, then I will vote for anyone who is the repub nominee, that is how bad Waffles is for this country.

    As for women running for office, I always agreed with Gerry Ferraro’s statement that when any woman runs, its a good thing for all women, just my opinion, but I will not use one woman to put down another woman, yes comparing qualifications, experience is all fair game, but again, whenever a woman runs for office, it is a good thing for all women, and I still firmly believe that.

    No question, compared to Waffles my dog comes out on top. But that shouldn’t be the question on our minds. The question should be, who among the possible contenders have the experience, charisma and integrity that we feel are important to run the country. Our experience with Waffles tells us that experience IS necessary. I admit that there’s a lot that is wrong with waffles aside from his lack of experience but his lack of experience certainly does not help. But at this point, there is no reason to settle. We can have integrity, charisma AND experience. The front runners haven’t been decided yet. Not everyone has thrown their hat into the ring yet. (I am still hoping against hope that Hillary runs)

    I agree with you that if Hillary doesn’t run, then we should support the Republican nominee, whoever he/she is. Waffles is indeed disastrous not only to the country but to the world.

  40. Hillary’s campaign were going to ask for a runoff for the nomination in Denver. They were denied a hearing to put Hillary’s name in nomination.

    Hillary used the word “suspend”. She was suspending her campaign because they were trying arrange a walk out of super-delegates and delegates at the Convention. The Two people that were heading the walkout both died in August. Rep Tubbs-Jones @58 yrs old on Aug 20, 2008 and the Chairman of the AK DNC, Bill Gwatney @48 yrs old on Aug 17th, 2008.

    yeah, there is something “fishy” about two healthy people dying at the same time within a week of each other. Two people that were planning to stand up for Hillary at the Convention and bring her electoral votes stolen from her on May 30th 2008 in DC into question. Make public the intimidation of delegates locked in their rooms by Obama thugs until their written responses were what the Obama campaign wanted to see. If their votes were for Hillary, they were told to go back to their rooms and not to come out until they voted in a satisfactory manner.

  41. I am so disappointed that dems are nothing but scaremongers now, I thought repubs had cornered that one, but dems are much worse, the press never calls them out, of course we have no real press anymore now. The DNC doesn’t realise that dems aren’t some herd of sheep, the Obots are, but the independent minded ones have already seen what happened on May 31th 2008, and also what has happened since.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/29/dncs_wasserman_schultz_gop_focused_on_scaring_seniors_about_medicare.html

    Bill Clinton was absolutley right, the dems are stupid enough to just demonize without offering any real solutions to this problem that will be here within less than 14 years.

  42. I really don’t want to talk about this anymore. I hate remembering that time in our lives. So, please stop comparing calling Palin a quitter and Hillary not a quitter. It’s a matter of semantics. The bottom line is… they both were forced out.

    And it’s absolutely stupid to keep bashing Palin as a quitter giving the opposition ammunition to fight with. Name calling is ridicule. Ridiculing Palin does nothing to support women running for office, it diminishes the person and the person making the remark.

  43. Mrs. Smith
    May 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
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    Hillary had every right to soldier on considering that I believe that she 1) Did have more votes at the end of the contest, 2) She had delegates that were rightfully hers given to Øbama, 3) The DNC purposefully tried and succeeded at hurting Hillary’s momentum by screwing her over with the Florida vote (which caused me to become anti-Democrat party), and the Michigan vote, yet other states that voted out of turn were not penalized in any way, 4) the superdelegates were still up for grabs regardless of what was going on in the background. Hillary, towards the end, asked her supporters what she should do. I answered her “continue on”, but within a couple of days or so, she had indicated that she would support that big eared, skinny legged Mac Daddy of a fraud. It’s semantics, but Hillary did quit on the day that she gave her support to Øbama. Unfortunately, she ended her race. In all races, there is a winner, and there is a loser. Good lost to evil on that day.

  44. Mrs. Smith
    May 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
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    it’s absolutely stupid to keep bashing Palin as a quitter giving the opposition ammunition to fight with. Name calling is ridicule. Ridiculing Palin does nothing to support women running for office, it diminishes the person and the person making the remark.

    That’s the gist of it. You know, it doesn’t diminish what Hillary accomplished in any way. It brought thuggery to light in a party that I had excused of doing this for some time. She deserved better from them, but they gave her the shaft. I blame them, not her. I would have loved to have seen an actual fight (not physical) on the convention floor. That was my hope, but again, I understand that there were obstacles that could not be overcome. It was an eye opener for me, and I can’t forgive the Democratic party and DNC for what they did. We see the end result of their treachery today. Shame on them.

  45. Mrs. Smith
    May 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I have to agree with that. I watched Hillary’s speech once at the undemocratic national convention, Mrs. waffles was shooting daggers with her eyes and the Thersa Kerry had to calm her down. I can’t watch that video ever again, too painful.
    The whole thing was a freaking sham. I’ll never forget when Bill was walking out the next day, the assholes played “addicted to love”. Damn the entire undemocratic party, bunch of pathetic Obots, hope the entire party goes down the toilet, for all I care; I don’t see myself ever giving them 1 cent of my money or even my votes after what they did on may 31th 2008, and then with the Deathcare rationing bill on december 24, 2009.

    I want Waffles kicked out in 2012, I will vote for anyone who is the repub nominee at this point.

  46. Basil99, thanks for posting the Honor Flight video. My 89 year old dad got to go on a flight last October. He wears the hat from that flight every day and people stop him in stores and on the street everywhere to thank him for his service. I’m so glad that he was able to live long enough to get the recognition for his service that he so deserves.

    My family was at the airport when the my dad and the other elderly vets arrived back from the DC visit. It’s something I will never forget…

  47. VCal wrote:

    “ABM 90 and Wbboei,

    I’m 100% with you on your last comments.Nobody can fill Hillary’s shoes; and there’s no comparisson between the way Hillary sends her message to the people that she’s ready and prepared to lead this country than the cheap way Palin does.I want a woman in the WH but if it is not Hillary then a smart and prepared woman whom to trust (may be Condi Rice) but not Palin.I don’t want to be disrespectful, but I think this is Hillary is 44, and don’t go to Palin’s websites to tell this.All the Palin lovers could eassily go to one of her sites or form a Palin44 to say how wonderful you think she is.Maybe when Palin is Hillary’s age she’ll demonstrate she’s as extraordinary as she is!HILLARY IS 44!”
    —–
    Count me in! If people want to support Palin, go ahead. But not here. This is a Hillary site. If I wanted to read articles about Palin or hear her opinion on the issues, I would go hang out with the freepers or the Tea Party crowd. I am also not interested in defending Palin from media attacks, because her supporters would NOT reciprocate the next time Hillary is attacked. Indeed, those wingnuts are usually the ones attacking her.

  48. The yawing gap between the Georgetown social set and the rest of America is like the Grand Canyon. What needs to happen is someone like Trump, Sara or whoever comes next, to break away from the party and go third party. Yes, that could hand an election to the other party and that is bad. But unless someone does that Rove and his ilk will never take the American People seriously. The writer of the piece below raises all the right questions:
    ——————————————-
    Why is it okay for Christie, Rubio & Bachmann to run, but not Palin?

    Posted by The Server X-Angel (Profile)
    Friday, May 27th at 1:42PM EDT
    48 Comments

    One of the many things that irritate me about our side of the aisle is that some of us think that people who were just elected are “presidential timber.”

    Many people after the election of Chris Christie – even though he hadn’t done anything yet – were saying that he needed to run for president (Ann Coulter among many)

    Many people after the election of Marco Rubio – even though he hadn’t done anything yet – were saying that he needed to run for president.

    Many people after the budget proposal of Paul Ryan – even though this is first real big thing he has done that has received real national attention

    n (other than the Roadmap for America’s Future) – are saying that he needs to run for president. (He has said he is not going to.)

    Many people are saying that Michele Bachman – because of the Tea Party Wave – should run for president…although she is another lawyer that has been a representative for 4 years.

    Some were slobbering over the possibly of Mitch Daniels – Indiana’s version of John McCain – running.

    But for many of the people who say that the above SHOULD run…the same people say that Sarah Palin SHOULD NOT RUN.

    Can someone please explain this to me? I am not saying that the above people have not done good things; I am just looking for consistency here.

    Palin was picked out of absolute obscurity in 2008 from Alaska. She took on things well before there was a Tea Party Movement. (Corrupt GOP party officials, Oil Companies, even the McCain Campaign HQ during the 2008 Election.)

    She was Tea Party before Tea Party was cool. She never asked to be plucked from nowhere.

    So what I find funny is that these people FROM NOWHERE are trying to ride the Tea Party Wave or what might even be more dangerous, some Tea Party People are trying to MAKE them ride that wave, and some are all too willing to ride it.

    But somehow, a true conservative who is just a “possible” candidate has a bus tour and ALL HELL BREAKS loose.

    Why is this?

    Is it because Palin is damaged goods because of the 2008 Campaign? (Which is mainly due to the McCain Campaign overall)

    Is it because she is an idiot?

    Is it because the country is still sexist…. And not ready for a woman president? (Obviously not is Michele Bachmann’s name is being bandied about)

    Is it because she didn’t abort a handicapped kid?

    Is it because Palin is just too hot looking?

    It’s because Sarah Palin is truly who she is, and does not shy away from it.

    Neal Boortz has stated that we lost the 2008 Election because of Sarah Palin. How is that? Was Sarah on the top of the ticket? Did Sarah drive the agenda? Was it not John McCain’s Campaign’s responsibility to win the campaign?

    Was it was because of social conservative issues? Boortz is a libertarian, and I respect that (hell, even in some cases, I follow the same beliefs.)

    Also Herman Cain fills in for Boortz . But that is a side topic. (By the way.. I like Cain as well.)

    Why are we as conservatives so scared of people that are truly who they are?

    I wrote an article right after the 2008 Election results

    http://www.redstate.com/xangel/2008/11/04/we-lost-this-because-of-our-own-obsession/

    Do we want to go through this again? The obsession about beating someone, rather than find the right candidate. If we find the right CONSERVATIVE candidate then there won’t be a problem.

    The Tea Party happened because of the lack of Constitutional government happening. It started with the Great Society of LBJ, was amplified by Roe v. Wade, and then everything that all presidents – both Republican (Nixon – EPA, OSHA) and Democrat (Healthcare, government takeovers, and just plain idiocy on foreign policy) have done to completely run this country into the ground.

    (Reagan is slightly exempted from this, because he just took Congressmen at their word that they wouldn’t spend anything more)

    If it is supposedly “Christie’s time” to run [according to Erickson], wouldn’t that require him to resign, or at least take much time away from his state that it becomes a distraction? Wouldn’t Christie running for President just over a year into his term be the same as Palin running after she was picked for VP?

    I am just looking for some consistency here. Don’t hate on Palin leaving Alaska Governor’s office if you think Christie should run. Palin ran for governor with no aspirations to run for VP, much less President.

    Palin would mop the floor with Obama. But then again, so would Daffy Duck. That’s not to say that Palin is Daffy Duck, but I think you know what I mean.

    [Damn it, just as I am writing this, Rush is on roll that is echoing this.]

    We need to drop this whole thing of “finding the person that can beat Obama.” A true conservative will beat Obama. We already tried the whole “someone who can reach across the aisle” candidate, and look what we got.

    Now Vinny (at 1:34 PM EDT) is saying on Rush that Sarah can’t do it. But he is from NY, even though he is saying that he is a conservative. REALLY?

    Geeze, people get a grip. She hasn’t been destroyed. If she’s is destroyed, why is she still able to pull the crowds that she does? And even at that.. if the MEDIA destroys a conservative person..what does that mean? If the media hates someone… well.. I rest my case.

  49. Right on wbboei: your mention of the Hitlerjuegen brings back the danger these young preteen Nazi kids presented to our troops.They were well armed well trained and fully brainwashed and very dangerous as snipers as we drove by.These kids are now grown up and bear watching as a threat to our country and world politics as a whole.I place my trust in Hillary and her vast knowledge of the dangers we are facing.

    ABM90 Been there Seen that and it was not good then
    and or now

  50. Right on wbboei: your mention of the Hitlerjuegen brings back the danger these young preteen Nazi kids presented to our troops.They were well armed well trained and fully brainwashed and very dangerous as snipers as we drove by.These kids are now grown up and bear watching as a threat to our country and world politics as a whole.I place my trust in Hillary and her vast knowledge of the dangers we are facing.

    ABM90 Been there Seen that and it was not good then
    and or now
    ———————
    You speak the truth my friend. There is a line from Goethe that goes like this: let a man be careful what he wishes for in his youth because in his old age he will have it.

  51. Mrs. Smith
    May 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
    I really don’t want to talk about this anymore. I hate remembering that time in our lives. So, please stop comparing calling Palin a quitter and Hillary not a quitter. It’s a matter of semantics. The bottom line is… they both were forced out.

    And it’s absolutely stupid to keep bashing Palin as a quitter giving the opposition ammunition to fight with. Name calling is ridicule. Ridiculing Palin does nothing to support women running for office, it diminishes the person and the person making the remark.

    There is no point in calling Palin a quitter and this shouldn’t be used to criticize Palin but there is a lot of equivocation being done over here comparing what Palin did and what Hillary did. There are huge differences in what they did and glossing over them is revisionist at the very least.

    Palin was not being pressured to resign. There was no election being held at that time that shows her trailing somebody else. Palin decided to resign on what she thought will further her political career by giving her flexibility in managing her public persona.

    In Hillary’s case, she already lost the regular delegate race even before Denver. She could still have won with the Super Delegates but that would be a long shot. She could have fought but this is not an easy decision to make. Does she go all in or wait for a better opportunity? Does she go for broke or settle to preserve their legacy? These are not easy decisions to make. These are real dilemmas. Are those who wanted her to fight it out in Denver sure that she would win with the Super Delegates? I don’t think that anyone could have been sure. If there’s anyone who will be able to read their chances, it would be Bill and Hillary.

  52. The reason this interests me is because the right is willing to fight back against the elites in the Republican Party whereas the left is scared to fight back against the elites in the Democratic Party.
    ————————-

    If Michelle Bachmann would announce now that she’s running for the senate seat in Minnesota, all those supporting her now would suddenly come out and declare her as gonna-be-loser.

    Where were all those that are now supporting Marco Rubio when he ran for his senate seat back in ‘10 ? I’ll tell you! Backing Charlie Christ, claiming that he’s the only one that could win!

    No matter who wins the primary, whether Bachmann, Rubio or another candidate, we’ll watch them go through grinder just as Palin had the last few years.

    Conservatives keep on backtracking. Instead of abandoning one candidate after the other because of the lefts’ attacks, we should take a step forward and fight back.

    Like Rush Limbaugh always says: If you’re so convinced that Palin is qualified and has principles but the media has destroyed her, then why don’t you come out and defend her and retaliate against the media?

  53. Everyone, That Honor Flight clip had me bawling my eyes out. I had just gotte home from covering a Memorial Day Ceremony organized by the local VFW. Most of the members are in their late 70’s and up. A few younger types, like the current Post Commander, an Iraqi Vet, get involved with these groups but mostly it’s the oldtimers holding down the fort.

    I swear I don’t know what will happen to this country if the lessons learned by all those heroes is not passed on.

    The young post commander, Snyder, had this to say:

    Snyder provided a moving and relevant speech, stressing that while Memorial Day is a sacred day for all veterans some citizens seem to have forgotten the meaning behind the memorial.

    “Sacrifice is meaningless without remembrance,” he said. “Too many take for granted the freedoms paid for by the lives of others.”

    Snyder said the Memorial Day Observation should be a civic obligation to pay the national debt owed to millions of fallen citizens.

    Snyder also pointed out that as the WW11 generation ages there are fewer standard bearers left to carry the torch of remembrance and urged adults, veterans, teachers, to teach children about the sacrifices made by so many.

    “They have given their lives so we can be free,” Snyder said. “The enduring relevance of Memorial Day should never be trivialized.”

    Snyder ended his remarks with a reading of the classic WW1 poem, “In Flanders Field,” written by a young man who had just witnessed the death of his friend on the battlefield. Flanders lies in parts of present day Belgium, France and the Netherlands.

    The poppies referred to in the poem grew profusely above the freshly dug graves of soldiers who fought and died there.

    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
    In Flanders fields.

    Now I’m bawling again. The other day I covered a county commemoration of the 150 Anniversary of the Civil War. Most of the participants, reenactors, singers, VFW people were well up in age. One idiot poster on the website actually asked, “Who won?” Now I know that’s probably sarcasm but the point is, there is so little respect left among certain groups for what those who went before have given. It’s sickening and frightening for the future. IMHO.

  54. No one is Hillary’s equal. But imo there are enough common factors between these brave women, to be worth discussing both on H44.

  55. Except she quit… Hillary would NEVER quit!
    _______________

    They were both FORCED to quit- for different reasons.
    Anyway you slice it, they were both forced to QUIT!

    ====================

    True. Hillary not only quit her campaign — she went on to campaign FOR Obama. She must have had some good reason.

    Palin had good reason for quitting the Governorship of Alaska: someone was filing nuisance ethics suits against her which were bankrupting her family and tying up the government. (Remember Starr and the Impeachment? Like that. Bill Clinton could not have quit as POTUS, but Palin was able to turn the Alaska Governorship over to a good Lt Governor to continue her projects.

  56. Not putdowns of Palin. Just opinions that she is not yet ready for potus.

    ===================

    Compared to who? ‘Ready for POTUS’ is not some absolute standard.

    Palin would probably be more ready in 2016 or 2020 than she is now. But even now she is more ready than Obama, imo. So it’s a matter of who she would be running against, and when will she have the best chance.

  57. Jen the Michigander
    May 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Count me in also, with you and other posters here of similar thinking, Jen.

    I have no specific feelings one way or the other about Palin, she just doesn’t interest me; but at the same time, imo there is a world of difference between Palin and Hillary. They have about as much in common as the other few billion women on the planet.

    I also think the idea of any meaningful similarity between Hillary’s actions and what she had to deal with in 2008, and Palin’s decision to resign from the Governorship, is ludicrous. No disrespect intended, my guess is people are trying to magnanimous and it is certainly true that Palin has had plenty with which to contend.

    But the fact of the matter is, Palin already was Governor. She already had the title, she already was elected, etc etc. She simply had to play defense. That imo, is a far, far easier position, and very much in stark contrast to what Hillary went through in 2008. Heck, people were telling Hillary to get out after Iowa, and she saw it all the way through to the end of primaries. That takes not only a defensive mindset, but also leading, moving things forward. Backing down, on the other hand, when you are already in office, to me is incomparable.

    It depends imo, from here on out, on who the Republicans run. Nominate a moderate, someone whom Independents can support as well; stop acting so bonkers on things like Medicare and Social Security, and Republicans will probably easily win. Nominate someone ideologically rigid and welcome to another Obama Presidency. Really just comes down to that.

    I was just thinking the other day…what if Republican nominate some loopy whackjob like Santorum?? What would we, blargh, do then?!!??

  58. my two cents on Sarah Palin….I think that Sarah Palin represents some voters out there who are fed up with bland Republican leaders. I personally don’t think she will be the Republican nominee but I think she is the spokesperson for those with her political point of view and in my opinion that’s perfectly OK. Plus, she is not shy about bluntly attacking Obama and that’s great compared to some of her gutless colleagues who are running for president. I do like that she goes right out and argues for her viewpoint. Unlike Obama, I believe she means what she says and has core values she won’t abandon.

    Although I don’t agree with her political views, and she wouldn’t be my personal choice for President, I do defend Sarah Palin against the vicious, over the top, mysoginistic attacks that are constantly thrown her way, particularly by the “progessive” left who supposedly support the advancement of women in politics. I have read recently about a play that called for her beheading, a “satire” article that attacked her developmentally disabled child, and, of course, there are always comments on how she is supposedly so stupid. I think it’s fine to legitimately argue about her leadership history and her political views but the unending attacks have just served to alienate me more from the left. We should be rejoicing more women getting into politics, not villifying them. I agree that Hillary is a much stronger politician and leader than Palin–she’s been in politics a lot longer—but I think Palin has place in politics as well. I think she connects with people because she’s genuine, and those that hate her fear that which is why they attack so strongly.

    Next year, like most here, I will vote for whoever runs against Obama. There is nothing that will make me do otherwise. I hope the Republicans focus on winning and pick someone who will appeal to independents and moderates. I can’t imagine another four years of Obama..

  59. AG, I also defended Palin from attacks for the longest time, and do not think she warrants much of the pointless criticism leveled against her by the media…..but when she turned on Hillary and railed into her with the same attacks that the good old GOP boys club would hurl at Hillary, she became the same as the GOP boys club to me. She was no longer genuine, not part of any solution, and instead just perpetuating all the same of what is wrong with our politics.

  60. Let us never forget those men and woman who died serving in our armed forces to proetect our freedom. May G-d bless their souls, comfort their families and keep from harm those currently serving.

  61. rickya
    May 30th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    There is no point in calling Palin a quitter and this shouldn’t be used to criticize Palin but there is a lot of equivocation being done over here comparing what Palin did andwhat Hillary did. There are huge differences in what they did and glossing over them is revisionist at the very least.

    Palin was not being pressured to resign. There was no election being held at that time that shows her trailing somebody else. Palin decided to resign on what she thought will further her political career by giving her flexibility in managing her public persona.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, and the alternative she faced by remaining Governor, was the probability of neverending lawsuits. Also, as I understand it, her legal fees running into the 10s of thousands were paid out of her own pocket. Not to mention running the State of Alaska effectively, the stress factor, time away from her family. Working 24/7 to support your legal fees and have a little left over for your family.

    It’s easy to judge someone when you’ve never walked in their shoes. And, I’m not a Palin supporter. I’m speaking from my own experience trying to bring some balance to the consensus.

    _______________________

    In Hillary’s case, she already lost the regular delegate race even before Denver. She could still have won with the Super Delegates but that would be a long shot. She could have fought but this is not an easy decision to make. Does she go all in or wait for a better opportunity? Does she go for broke or settle to preserve their legacy? These are not easy decisions to make. These are real dilemmas. Are those who wanted her to fight it out in Denver sure that she would win with the Super Delegates? I don’t think that anyone could have been sure. If there’s anyone who will be able to read their chances, it would be Bill and Hillary.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I agree 100%- If the Clintons had been able to pull off a walk out and stop the nomination process cold- where the press was involved, subpoenas served (coming from our end), questions being asked- maybe, there would have been a chance if the public was aware of what was going on behind the scenes.

    Hillary’s popularity had skyrocketed by the last Primary- she was pulling ahead in the popular vote. At every turn Hillary was blocked. The manpower expended to get the nomination for Obama was overpowering. The whole DNC- and the CBC- and the GOP were working against her to prevent her from winning the nomination. The thing of it is… she didn’t know what was going on through this whole process until it was too late to stop it… This was the Ambush of the century..

    I hope there is a ghost writer that recounts all the players, all the lies, the theft and corruption it took to get Obama the nomination. The story itself is so surreal, it rivals the senses to validate the authenticity of the actual events. But it is true and needs to be told for it’s historical importance.

  62. Fifth Dimension
    May 30th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    “but when she turned on Hillary and railed into her with the same attacks that the good old GOP boys club would hurl at Hillary, she became the same as the GOP boys club to me.”
    ____________

    5D- are you speaking about what Palin wrote about Hillary in her book?

  63. CNN has been following Palin around all weekend saying disparagingly ‘enough of this Palin news’ and ‘I’m getting emails demanding to know why we are covering her tour’ etc. But what they are really pissed about is that she will not publish her itinerary ahead of time. In other words, she is not behaving like a normal candidate. And they are complainging that Greta is traveling with her and she is giving interviews to Greta, etc. and not to them. It’s silly nonsense. But they did admit that she quit as governor because Alaska is one of the few states where the state will not pick up the cost of lawsuits against their governors.

    Also those who are claiming that we cannot discuss any candidate except HRC because this is Hillaryis44 seem to forget all Admin’s posts about Trump’s abbreviated run against Obama. Or maybe it’s because he is male so different rules applied to his run.

  64. #
    jbstonesfan
    May 30th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Let us never forget those men and woman who died serving in our armed forces to proetect our freedom. May G-d bless their souls, comfort their families and keep from harm those currently serving.
    ____________________

    Yes, jbstonesfan- my cousin is in Iraq right now and I worry about him every day. Also, I wanted to mention the beautiful videos posted by admin and Basil99. The homecoming videos were
    so touching (2 tissues for that one) and the WWII Veterans flown to DC for the Memorial were as well. God Bless them all.

  65. Palin was not being pressured to resign.

    [[ In effect she was. By harrassing lawsuits — rather like Starr going after the Clintons. Hillary in 2008 was not being sued by anyone. And NOBODY pressured her to campaign for Obama! ]]

    Palin decided to resign on what she thought will further her political career by giving her flexibility in managing her public persona.

    [[ You don’t know that. You are not a mind reader. ]]

  66. I hope there is a ghost writer that recounts all the players, all the lies, the theft and corruption it took to get Obama the nomination. The story itself is so surreal, it rivals the senses to validate the authenticity of the actual events. But it is true and needs to be told for it’s historical importance.
    ***********************
    The problem is the extent that we protect our Presidents when they are in office that no one dares publish the truth about them until many years afterwards. Half the country was begging for Bush and Cheney to go to prison for the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us there for 8 long years, but there’s no hint that anything will ever be done. In the distant future a historian may write about it but no lessons will be learned about punishment for lies and fraud. Of course this also applies to Obama and candidates now know that once they get into that office, nothing can touch them.

  67. Count me in! If people want to support Palin, go ahead. But not here. This is a Hillary site.

    ===============

    That might make sense if Hillary and Palin were running against each other (from my fingers to God’s ears!!!!)

    But as long as Hillary says she isn’t going to run for anything, Palin is as good a second choice as anyone else. (And better than most!)

  68. I don’t think that simply thinking Palin is not ready yet to be potus is bashing.

    And turndown, once again you go on and on with your patronizing comments. Do you honestly think that any of us don’t know that obama is not ready to be potus either? Give me a break.

    I’m not saying that Palin might not be ready years from now, but at the moment no. It’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it.

  69. #
    BigCatLover
    May 30th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    The problem is the extent that we protect our Presidents when they are in office that no one dares publish the truth about them until many years afterwards. Half the country was begging for Bush and Cheney to go to prison for the lies that got us into Iraq and kept us there for 8 long years, but there’s no hint that anything will ever be done. In the distant future a historian may write about it but no lessons will be learned about punishment for lies and fraud. Of course this also applies to Obama and candidates now know that once they get into that office, nothing can touch them.
    ______________________

    We don’t protect them. The elites protect some of them but not all- Tell that fairytale to Nixon and Bill Clinton.

  70. My curiosity is piqued- what did Sarah Palin say that was derogatory about Hillary? Anybody know?

  71. Both women were abused and one made the choice to leave, the other was run over by a DNC coup.

    ==================

    Palin had effectively no choice, as the lawsuits were ruining her. Hllary CHOSE to campaign for Obama.

    Not to criticize either woman. They both did they best they could in the circumstances.

  72. turndown,

    I apologize for my snarky comments to you above. Going on very little sleep lately. No excuse, but there you have it.

  73. Mrs. Smith said:
    So, please stop comparing calling Palin a quitter and Hillary not a quitter. It’s a matter of semantics.

    ================

    Right. Trying to compare those disappointments — is something the Bots would like us to waste our time on.

  74. “My curiosity is piqued- what did Sarah Palin say that was derogatory about Hillary? Anybody know?”

    I think it was in her book, I remember my wife was very annoyed, but then HillBuzz did some crosspost over at one of the palin sites, and it made sense, Palin is right of center, hillary is left of center, Palin’s comments were not derogatory, or personal, but it was more how a right leaning person, especially a woman, would see a left leaning woman. My wife seemed fine with it after she read that post, I’ll try to find it, to me it didn’t seem deragotory, from what I remember Sarah actually did make say something not so nice about Hillary in 2007 when Palin wasn’t even on the nation scene, but after Sarah was savaged by the Obot press, Sarah actually publically said she was wrong to say what she said about Hillary without being in her shoes, so I credit Palin for realising that, and she was very complimentary towards Hillary as a woman of immense achievesments.

    If sarah ever became one of those claire mckaskill types– attacking Hillary and Bill, I would lose a lot of respect for Palin. But so far its been policy, etc, no personal or derogatary attacks, neither woman has done that, I think they both at one point indicated they would like to have tea or something along those lines.

  75. Jan H

    As usual, I agree with you.
    And I have said here before, Palin is unacceptable to many independents and moderates who will determine the next election. I believe she is unelectable so not really a threat to Obama. It is fact, not opinion, that beyond the tea party, she has low numbers of support. I want to see Obama defeated.

    I do feel that people are entitled to their opinions and there is no need to bash people who respectfully disagree.

  76. “Palin is unacceptable to many independents and moderates who will determine the next election. I believe she is unelectable so not really a threat to Obama. It is fact, not opinion, that beyond the tea party, she has low numbers of support. I want to see Obama defeated.”

    That is my fear as well. Palin devotees seem to be more revved to get Palin the nominee more than see Waffles defeated. My first and main thing is to see Waffles evicted in 2012 more than see Palin as the repub nominee if it means Waffles can beat that repub nominee. I know some Obots who will stay home but if Palin is the nominee they will come to vote against her. So, I dont know, I don’t really like the repub nominees that much, but I would rather see them than Waffles drone on for another 4 years. Its all about choices. Anyone against Waffles is preferrable next year, but they have to be able to beat Waffles, that should be the first thing to consider when getting a nominee.

  77. tim
    May 30th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Thank you, Tim- If you could find something and post it, I would appreciate it-
    ________________

    “My first and main thing is to see Waffles evicted in 2012 more than see Palin as the repub nominee.”

    My thoughts exactly, Tim. You nailed it-

  78. I’ll write about Sarah Palin on this site whenever I want, or until the admin says otherwise. If Øbama, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Pawlenty, or any other damn politician can be written about here, then why not Sarah. Some of you are just a little too comfortable instructing others on what to do. I find that dictatorial, and a personal trait that I would not want to associate with.

  79. And another thing, for a website that celebrates women, I still see shades of support for just a certain “type” of woman. In other words, these women have to be of similar ideology, and if not, then they are seemingly relegated to a type of second class female. That’s bull, but it happens all of the time. If you happen to be a conservative female, then you are fair game by the enlightened liberals or females on the left. That’s bull, too. I am getting an eye opening on this site today/tonight.

  80. I am getting an eye opening on this site today/tonight.

    ============

    I don’t think tonight’s posts are typical. Usually there is much praise of Palin, very little criticism.

    Maybe the semantic issue of ‘quitting’ is drawing a lot of comment from people who aren’t anti-Palin in general. Or maybe her fans, and other hawkish types, are busy watching tv.

  81. turndownobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 1:09 am
    =================================

    It just irritates me because it seems like nothing was learned from 2008. I base my comments on the feeling that certain politicians have America’s best interests at heart, while others (like Øbama) don’t. I see Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin in the same manner, good for America, bad for America’s enemies. I don’t care if the politician is right of center or left of center anymore. Show me that you have America’s best interests at heart, and more than likely, I will support you. Sometimes you do what you have to do to prevent a charlatan from being elected or re-elected. If that means voting for someone that you typically wouldn’t because of differences in beliefs, then it is something that needs to be seriously considered. Your principles will still be left intact because ended up voting against the real enemy.

  82. turndownobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 1:09 am
    =========================

    Why, was Sarah Palin’s Alaska on tonight? 🙂

  83. I found this paragraph interesting in the linked article with regards to Sarah Palin’s bus tour.
    I like Greta a lot. I wonder if she shares her husband’s politics?

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/30/palin-pressed-on-medicare-during-bus-tour-stop/

    Daughters Willow and Bristol walked ahead, while husband Todd lagged behind and chatted with John Coale, an informal adviser and the husband of Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren. A handful of staffers were also present.

  84. I think we have to be careful here. We cannot deplore big media for the lies and distortions they promulgated against Hillary and then turn right around and accept their judgment with respect to Sarah. When she told them that she was coming to Washington to represent the people and not to kiss the ass of the Georgetown social set they put a target on her back. If Red China decided to call in their loans, and sent their people to run the media, I think we would be better off than what we have got today with CNN and NBC and ABC. That sounds like hyperbole until you stop and realize that during the primary, I remarked more than once that the stories about the US election coming out of the communist newspaper were more accurate than anything emanating from NYT, WashPo and big media. That is how bad–really, really, really bad these people are. And if they say a candidate is bad, I shall proceed on the assumption that he or she is representing the American People rather than the elites. I can see how that kind of thinking could lead people like me to embrace a demagogue. I am willing to take that risk, rather than endure the kind of sophistry, bread and circuses, etc big media dishes out on a daily basis. They are hell bent on controlling the political system, and many of us are hell bent on breaking their stranglehold over truth so that we can have an informed public as opposed to an indoctrinated one.

  85. John Coale, an informal adviser and the husband of Fox News anchor Greta Van Susteren.
    ——————-
    Two very smart people.

  86. Fifth Dimension
    May 30th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
    ————————–
    Honestly, I thought she said some complimentary things about Hillary. I wonder whether the criticism you refer to was not policy driven, in which case that is par for the course in politics.

  87. If that means voting for someone that you typically wouldn’t because of differences in beliefs, then it is something that needs to be seriously considered.

    ==============

    You know (as Hillary would say), I’m not sure that ideology is really as important as we make it. Isn’t most of the job of POTUS just showing up — ie doing a good common sense job of the things everyone agrees on already? And reacting well in a crisis — or knowing who to delegate to?

    HOnesty, intelligence, good management skills, independence — may be more important than the controversial issues, which never go all one way anyway.

  88. Honestly, I thought she said some complimentary things about Hillary. I wonder whether the criticism you refer to was not policy driven

    ===============

    She certainly said good things about Hillary in her acceptance speech, and on some other occasions. The only criticism I’ve heard of was someone quoting something out of one of her books, and it didn’t sound very bad to me.

  89. I remember some hubbub about Sarah early on saying that Hillary shouldn’t “whine” so much about how the press treats her. Then Sarah got in the limelight, herself, and saw how women are treated. I believe she readdressed the issue, and admitted she made the statement before she had walked in the shoes of a national female politician. I believe she walked back the “whine” statement, as well, IIRC.

  90. turndownobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:07 am
    ========================

    True, and that’s what I believe myself. You will never get everything that you want. Principles are more important than accepting a phoney or a charlatan just because they belong to one political party or another.

  91. wbboei
    May 31st, 2011 at 1:51 am

    They are hell bent on controlling the political system, and many of us are hell bent on breaking their stranglehold over truth so that we can have an informed public as opposed to an indoctrinated one.

    So, so true!

  92. OK. Here’s what we are currently stuck with, [edited] from Obamaville yesterday (eg whitehouse dot gov):

    1)The I’s
    To those of you who mourn the loss of a loved one today, my heart breaks goes out to you. I love my daughters more than anything in the world, and I cannot imagine losing them. I can’t imagine losing a sister or brother or parent at war. The grief so many of you carry in your hearts is a grief I cannot fully know. This day is about you, and the fallen heroes that you loved. And it’s a day that has meaning for all Americans, including me. It’s one of my highest honors, it is my most solemn responsibility as President, to serve as Commander-in-Chief of one of the finest fighting forces the world has ever known. (Applause.) And it’s a responsibility that carries a special weight on this day; that carries a special weight each time I meet with our Gold Star families and I see the pride in their eyes, but also the tears of pain that will never fully go away; each time I sit down at my desk and sign a condolence letter to the family of the fallen…
    2) Preaching to the choir:
    Our nation owes a debt to its fallen heroes that we can never fully repay. But we can honor their sacrifice, and we must. [DUH, who is the one who has needed prompting here, Mr. President?]
    3)Then today from Fox:
    Groups Target Thomas’ Wife’s Work to Force Him to Sit Out High Court Rulings on Health Care
    Published May 30, 2011
    Eyeing a potential 5-4 decision on President Obama’s Affordable Care health care reforms, some Democratic lawmakers are trying to pressure Justice Clarence Thomas to sit out any health care case that may come before the Supreme Court. And in an added tack to influence the court’s decision-making, one election watchdog has demanded an FBI probe of the justice over a 2010 campaign finance ruling. The months-long efforts to target Thomas focus on his financial disclosure forms, of which amended versions were filed earlier this month and released publicly on Friday. In them, Thomas reveals that his wife, Ginni Thomas, received a salary in 2010 from Liberty Central, a group that she helped found and which supports the repeal of the health care law. “We knew that Justice Thomas’ family had a financial stake in opposing health care reform. Now we know even more,” Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) said in a statement. “It’s pretty clear the justice has one option here: recusal….
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/30/groups-target-thomas-wife-seek-ouster-high-court-rulings/

  93. turndownobama
    May 30th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Not to criticize either woman. They both did they best they could in the circumstances.

    I agree, and when I read a comment from a person I am not familiar with that is critical of Sarah Palin but which adds a sentence or two in praise of Hillary I immediately think it is some obot writing who is trying to work an agenda and who thinks I’m stupid.

  94. John Coale, Greta’s husband and a high powered DC lawyer, was a Hillary groupie. During 2008 primaries, he travelled with Hillary on her campaign plane. He criticized all the cheating that went on in the primaries and publcly said he would vote for McCain. He became an informal – and now formal – advisor to Sarah. With Coale as her advisor, you can bet Sarah will never say anything against Hillary. Coale is the ultimate PUMA – like most of us, he will never go back to Dems unless or until Hillary comes back into the picture.

  95. #
    nomobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 12:33 am

    I’ll write about Sarah Palin on this site whenever I want, or until the admin says otherwise. If Øbama, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Pawlenty, or any other damn politician can be written about here, then why not Sarah. Some of you are just a little too comfortable instructing others on what to do. I find that dictatorial, and a personal trait that I would not want to associate with.
    ____________________________

    Yup, we get the interloper blog-hoppers that come here and criticize the regulars who post here almost everyday. With their critique accusing me of arguing with everyone when I state a contrary point of view or correct something posted with a link. The attacks get pretty personal and never an apology when they have behaved like a clique. Which I have been told has prevented some of our original Hillary supporters from coming here.

    I think it’s pretty nervy of them myself- When they never post anything resembling good information or something new to think about. They sit in judgment, glued to their monitors on what is being written and who is doing the writing as you found out last night.

    They are ‘readers’ more than participants. I expect those I speak of are lost Pumas and bored No Quarter participants, who have given up on their pumapac blog having too much idle time on their hands. They haven’t the wherewithall to start up an interesting topic for a good debate or discussion themselves it seems whether Murphy is there or not..

    So, I’m happy you noticed this dynamic last night. Posters coming out of the woodwork to post a single message informing us Sarah Palin is off limits on this blog- Then when asked what did Sarah say about Hillary that was so offensive.. crickets… except for one of our regulars Tim, who tried his best to explain the complaint.

    I don’t mean to infer this is the case with all displaced pumapac posters, just some that post once every two weeks to join up with a another puma who they assume needs help forming a consensus of opinion to hopefully runoff someone who isn’t into group think.

  96. #
    ecoast
    May 31st, 2011 at 7:18 am

    John Coale, Greta’s husband and a high powered DC lawyer, was a Hillary groupie. During 2008 primaries, he travelled with Hillary on her campaign plane. He criticized all the cheating that went on in the primaries and publcly said he would vote for McCain. He became an informal – and now formal – advisor to Sarah. With Coale as her advisor, you can bet Sarah will never say anything against Hillary. Coale is the ultimate PUMA – like most of us, he will never go back to Dems unless or until Hillary comes back into the picture.
    _____________________

    The posters here are ultimate Pinksters and I guess, Pink Pumas or Puma Pinkers. 🙂 I understand, James Carville was hired by Sarahpac to help manage her political aspirations. So, it’s just a matter of time before we start hearing the negatives about Jimmy. I for one know there is no-one more loyal or more committed to whoever he is working for whether it be the Clintons or Sarah. As we found out later rather than sooner, loyalty was in short supply during Hillary’s campaign. Loyalty is an important pre-requisite for a successful campaign. So, if you’ve got anything to say, spit it out now and get it out of your system.

  97. #
    nomobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 1:27 am

    It just irritates me because it seems like nothing was learned from 2008. I base my comments on the feeling that certain politicians have America’s best interests at heart, while others (like Øbama) don’t. I see Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin in the same manner, good for America, bad for America’s enemies. I don’t care if the politician is right of center or left of center anymore. Show me that you have America’s best interests at heart, and more than likely, I will support you. Sometimes you do what you have to do to prevent a charlatan from being elected or re-elected. If that means voting for someone that you typically wouldn’t because of differences in beliefs, then it is something that needs to be seriously considered. Your principles will still be left intact because ended up voting against the real enemy.
    __________________________

    Four years in and Obama still remains a mystery. He seems pro-muslim and does not respect the American people or Israel. As for Sarah Palin’s loyalty, there isn’t a doubt in my mind she is ALL American and pro-Israel. Americans are hungry for pro-American leadership pulling us out of the morass we have been wallowing in for almost four years. Our country is at a tipping point peeking over the abyss. We can go one way or the other. If Sarah decides to run and her message touches on the topics brought up by Trump (not necessarily the bc issue) she will strengthen her support overnight.

    I realize it is still early, but Sarah is someone I would definitely consider a viable candidate. I am not a “one” issue voter. What is important to me is we need a president with a commitment to our country and the American people.

    People have been suffering far too long without concrete relief coming from the Oval Office. It grinds my gears when I hear Obama announce he is sending billions to the ME; money cut from federal programs allocated to states for rebuilding our infrastructure, education, medicare and our own vested money in social security.

    rant over-

  98. Great post about memorial day , admin. Thanks!

    On Sarah Palin & 2012, her’s what I think. Like admin said earlier, I would vote for a cracked teacup over BZero. Now i would vote for SP over a cracked teacup, and for a cracked teacup over Mittens or TPaw or Hunstman (who are white white versions of BZero, imo).

    In case anyone has forgotten, the media has called and dictated for too long who the president will be. They only messed up in 1992 because Perot messed them up. And he did such a good job not even all their “tell alls” and “investigations” could keep him from being re-elected. But look at every election since and whoever was the media darling turned out to be a corporate stooge. W vs Gore. W vs Kerry. BZero vs Hillary (the “stupid bitca who wouldn’t quit”). BZero vs McCain-propped-up-by-SP.

    So are we, as a country, seriously going to follow the media again in 2012? Haven’t we learned anything yet? They hate her because they and their corporate masters fear her.

    Of course she is no Hillary — no person alive compare to Hillary, imo, not even Bill (though he comes close). But we as a country had a chance to elect Hillary and we blew it. She had the solutions that would fix our economy, our healthcare, our jobs… everything. But we, as a country, elected BZero instead. Because the press gushed. Because they and their corporate masters feared her.

    So now we have a chance to to take the power back from the media. Palin does not have the solutions we need, imo, but I really believe she is honest (she must be the most vetted candidate ever by now) and she will clean house. That’s why they fear her. She has a record of breaking up cronyism. If we can’t have an honest liberal president, let’s at least have an honest president.

    But we can’t elect her if we are going to fall for the tribalism again — for the “GOP is eviiiil” and BZero “flawed but good” narratives. That’s BS. The only choice we have in 2012 is do we elect a sealed-records crook or an honest person.

  99. Mittens or TPaw or Hunstman (who are white white versions of BZero, imo).
    —————-
    They are luke warm versions of the asshole. RINOS. That said, of the two, Mormons both, Huntsman is worse. But that notwithstanding, nobody but nobody can destroy the middle class and humiliate this country as fast as Obama.

    I have been thinking about a bumper sticker with either the Chicago ghoul on it, to remind everyone of his immaculate political birth, or a picture of him with FAILURE stamped across his forehead, or a picture of Obamacare with 1000 opt outs for major contributing corporation headline to read what about you, or a picture of Obama as Soros puppet, something to darken the day of the ignoranti who drive around with bumper stickers that say endless war on the one hand and obama in 2012 on the other hand. Hitlerjuegen.

  100. We don’t protect them. The elites protect some of them but not all- Tell that fairytale to Nixon and Bill Clinton.
    *************************
    ‘We’ refers to the media and the secret service who are rabid in protecting presidents in recent years. Add corporate lobbyists and the parties themselves to that and you have a formidable wall around presidents. I was speaking of recent presidents like Bush and Obama, not Nixon and Clinton. Remember on Obama’s first day in office, he and MO were picked up in a car by the Secret Service to go to the the gym with guns sticking out the back window of the car because he convinced every one that he was black so could be assassinated at any minute. It’s terrorism and the amassing of executive power that has led to this.

  101. votermom
    Read upthread, someone mentioned that Carville is advising the Palin campaign. I have to leave so can’t take the time to find it but it’s not very far back.

  102. Oh, found it. It would be great if it was true but I find it very hard to believe. Career suicide for him at this point.

  103. wbboei says:

    May 31st, 2011 at 1:51 am
    I think we have to be careful here. We cannot deplore big media for the lies and distortions they promulgated against Hillary and then turn right around and accept their judgment with respect to Sarah. When she told them that she was coming to Washington to represent the people and not to kiss the ass of the Georgetown social set they put a target on her back. If Red China decided to call in their loans, and sent their people to run the media, I think we would be better off than what we have got today with CNN and NBC and ABC. That sounds like hyperbole until you stop and realize that during the primary, I remarked more than once that the stories about the US election coming out of the communist newspaper were more accurate than anything emanating from NYT, WashPo and big media. That is how bad–really, really, really bad these people are. And if they say a candidate is bad, I shall proceed on the assumption that he or she is representing the American People rather than the elites. I can see how that kind of thinking could lead people like me to embrace a demagogue. I am willing to take that risk, rather than endure the kind of sophistry, bread and circuses, etc big media dishes out on a daily basis. They are hell bent on controlling the political system, and many of us are hell bent on breaking their stranglehold over truth so that we can have an informed public as opposed to an indoctrinated one.

    ********************************************************

    I agree with this line of reasoning…everytime I hear the media gang bang someone…Hillary, Gerri Ferraro, Bill, Sarah, Trump, Bachmann…and they do it all in unison as if cut from the same cloth…or daily talking points from the WH, if you will…then I, too, want to rebel and decide for myself…

    as for Sarah, I do not see any of the men, from either side, with the exception of Bill, doing any good for anyone…except themselves…

    I might not agree with everything she says or believes in, but I do believe she is an independent person and a free spirit with mostly common sense…She has five children, she is a self made woman and she comes from modest, middle class origins…

    …so I will keep an open mind and see how things play out…a tea cup and/or sarah?

  104. blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100090074/obamas-decision-to-play-golf-on-memorial-day-was-disrespectful-and-hardly-presidential/

    think about it, if this were your options…a tea cup, O or Sarah

    Barack Obama’s decision to play golf on Memorial Day was disrespectful and hardly presidential

    By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: May 31st, 2011

    Barack Obama has played golf 70 times (Photo: AFP)
    Can you imagine David Cameron enjoying a round of golf on Remembrance Sunday? It would be inconceivable for the British Prime Minister to do so, and not just because of the usually dire weather at that time of the year. Above all, it would be viewed as an act of extremely bad taste on a day when the nation remembers and mourns her war dead. I can’t imagine the PM even considering it, and I’m sure his advisers would be horrified at the idea. And if the prime minister ever did play golf on such a sacrosanct day he would be given a massive drubbing by the British press, and it would never be repeated.

    Contrast this with President Obama’s decision to play golf yesterday, Memorial Day, for the 70th time during his 28-month long presidency. For tens of millions of Americans, Memorial Day is a time for remembrance of the huge sacrifices made by servicemen and women on the battlefield. The president did pay his respects in the morning, laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery, but later in the day traveled to Fort Belvoir to play golf. The story has not been reported so far in a single US newspaper, but was made public by veteran White House correspondent Keith Koffler on his blog. Here’s Koffler’s report:

    The business of memorializing our war dead done, President Obama headed out to the Fort Belvoir golf course today, finding his way onto the links for the ninth weekend in a row.

    Obama earlier today laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and met with families of those killed in battle. But he emerged from the day’s solemnity to go golfing for the 12th time this year and the 70th time of his presidency.

    The decision to golf on Memorial Day invites comparison with President George W. Bush, who gave up the game early in his presidency and said he did it out of respect for the families of those killed in Iraq.

    Does it matter if the president chooses to play golf on Memorial Day, and for the second time in his presidency (he did so as well in 2009)? I think it does, and it displays extraordinarily bad judgment, not only by Obama himself but also by his advisers. His chief of staff for example should have firmly cautioned against it. President Obama is not just any American but Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces. The United States is currently engaged in a major war in Afghanistan with over 100,000 troops on the ground, and more than 1,500 have already laid down their lives for their country.

    The least the president can do on Memorial Day is spend the whole day with veterans and servicemen’s families while acknowledging their sacrifice. As Koffler points out above, President George W. Bush stopped playing golf out of respect for the families of Iraq War dead. This demonstrated not only good judgment but humility and respect for the men and women who keep America safe. It is little wonder that, as Gallup reveals in a new poll, US military personnel and veterans give Barack Obama lower marks for his job performance than members of the general public. The president’s actions smack of poor taste, as well a lack of empathy and support for the US military, hardly the kind of leadership the White House should be projecting at a time of war.

    ********************************************

    this man is clueless, his lives in his ‘all about me’ world…and he and MO have shown us repeatedly that they do not give a damn about anything but themselves…

    in a second term, he will be unrestrained and worse…

  105. btw…JBStonesfan… FYI…down to +5.8 … expect this to continue to flucuate…and we are not really in any race just yet…things won’t get focused until all are declared and a few debates have happened after the Winter holidays, at the earliest…

  106. If it turns out to be true that Carville IS advising Sarah, that WOULD be very interesting. Although it would have to be ruled out that he isn’t trying to sabotage her, as that first advisor to Hillary did (who was actually working undercover for Obama, and after being fired, went immediately to work for him publicly).

  107. White House official says Obama to announce appointment of John Bryson to be next Commerce Secretary

    John E. Bryson is the former Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and President of Edison International, the parent company of Southern California Edison. He is also a director of The Boeing Company, W. M. Keck Foundation, and The Walt Disney Company, a Director/Trustee for three funds in the Western Asset funds complex, a trustee of California Institute of Technology, and co-Chair of the Pacific Council on International Policy. He serves or has served on a number of educational, environmental, and other nonprofit boards, including his tenure as chairman of the California Business Roundtable and as a trustee of Stanford University. Mr. Bryson is a graduate of Stanford University and Yale Law School.

  108. Mrs. Smith
    May 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
    I really don’t want to talk about this anymore. I hate remembering that time in our lives. So, please stop comparing calling Palin a quitter and Hillary not a quitter. It’s a matter of semantics. The bottom line is… they both were forced out.

    And it’s absolutely stupid to keep bashing Palin as a quitter giving the opposition ammunition to fight with. Name calling is ridicule. Ridiculing Palin does nothing to support women running for office, it diminishes the person and the person making the remark.
    ***********

    I was really one of the first posters here supporting Palin. When she quit, I had to take a step back. I know many people, in real life, that feel the same way. People want to know when the unthinkable happens, you will be there. She has lost that piece about her that was so special, no matter how good her reasons were.

  109. Our real POTUS is out there full time.Truly a Wonder Woman.

    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the Assistant Secretaries, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    4:05 p.m. Secretary Clinton delivers closing remarks to the U.S.-Colombia High Level Partnership Dialogue, in the George Marshall Conference Center at the Department of State.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE)
    Pre set time for video cameras: 3:20 p.m. from the 21st Street Entrance.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 3:35 p.m. from the 21st Street Entrance.

    4:25 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Colombian Foreign Minister Holgiun, at the Department of State.
    (JOINT PRESS AVAILABILITY FOLLOWING BILATERAL MEETING AT APPROXIMATELY 5:00 P.M.)
    Pre set time for video cameras: 4:15 p.m. from the C Street Entrance.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 4:45 p.m. from the C Street Entrance.

    6:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton hosts a dinner for Partners for a New Beginning, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

  110. and this……

    The president has also named Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of General Electric, to head an outside panel of economic advisers, known as the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Several other private sector leaders, including those representing small businesses, were also named to the council.

  111. When you are in a no-win situation, do you opt for a glorious defeat or a strategic retreat?
    I know which course I would take.

  112. Wow, glad i was working….WTH, headlines on Drudge

    *******

    UPDATE: MIAMI ‘WAR ZONE’ DURING URBAN WEEKEND…
    ‘I was scared for my life’…
    Poet ‘Da Real One’ Gunned Down In Front Of Miami Poetry Cafe…
    Violent crime explodes in Myrtle during Black Bike Week; 8-hour hell…
    Rib Fest At Rochester beach turns rowdy…
    Riot On Long Island…
    Urban Melee In Charlotte…
    Chaos causes DNC concern for convention…
    Unruly urban crowd shuts down Nashville water park…
    Fighting teen girls shut down Ala. water park…

  113. On March 7, the asshole appointed Locke to be Commerce Secretary. Now he is leaving to become Ambassador to China. Gary is a good guy, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer. The asshole who the asshole appointed to replace him is a big business shill. The emphasis here will be to promote trade with China, since that is the number one priority of Boeing, and to protect copyright since that is the number oe priority of Disney and Microsoft. His resume is pretty generic if you think about it. People like him collect these kinds of credentials. The question is not what groups has he affiliated with, rather what has he done to make an organization successful. Are we to infer from this list of business organizations that he is effective. Or is he just part of the club. What will he do specifically to benefit the American People, and how much is this simply another political appointment to secure contributions to the re election campaign. If they think this is enough to assure the American People that Commerce is now in good hands they are wrong. What will this asshole do to benefit the American middle class. Nothing. So fuck him and his faux credentials. Have you noticed how so many of these political appointees have resumes like this which establish nothing more than they are elitists. I do not know about you, but that does nothing to float my boat, because at the end of the day, people with precisely these kind of credentials have gotten this country in the mess it is in. So spare me the credentials. They are a non starter/

  114. votermom
    May 31st, 2011 at 11:38 am
    When you are in a no-win situation, do you opt for a glorious defeat or a strategic retreat?
    I know which course I would take.
    ****

    Not a retreat. Say she was in the WH and the shit hit the fan? This is what worries people, call it sweetly what you like.

    I want to know when I (military,cops,fireman,nurses) put their life on the line, you will be there and have my back. That is how people think. It is all about the id.

  115. tell me about it Wbboei, jobs for the boys, he’s a career boys club member who’s probably done very little.

  116. Have you noticed how so many of these political appointees have resumes like this which establish nothing more than they are elitists.
    *****

    Exactly

  117. Urban Melee In Charlotte…
    Chaos causes DNC concern for convention
    —————————–
    What me worry.

  118. Let me just say, as a final note on my part, I respect the work Palin did prior to her quitting. That is the reason I supported her in the first place. It does not diminish that

    Someone gave her awful advise. She had a year to go. She was not going to have any problems paying legal fees with her speech fees, books, etc, once out of office. They all do it, postpone the legal fees.

  119. I think he put it out there on purpose, what do you think?

    BC was very proud of this surplus, he must be livid about the mess we are in.

    *********

    Former President Clinton Retracts Default Comments

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304520804576347404145929250.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsFifth

    WASHINGTON—Former President Bill Clinton retracted comments that the U.S. government could default on its debt for a few days without “calamitous” consequences, after being urged to do so by top White House officials, people familiar with the events said Thursday.

    After hearing Mr. Clinton’s comments on Wednesday, White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley and Gene Sperling, director of the National Economic Council, spoke with aides to Mr. Clinton and advised that he clarify his thinking, two people said. The former president did so that afternoon.

    The White House officials suggested Mr. Clinton’s comments could be used by congressional Republicans, who are resisting the Obama administration’s push to raise the government’s $14.3 trillion borrowing limit. Some Republicans have been arguing that allowing the deadline to pass wouldn’t be as catastrophic as the Obama administration has warned.

  120. Not a retreat. Say she was in the WH and the shit hit the fan? This is what worries people, call it sweetly what you like.

    I see your point. But we already someone who runs away on to AF One and hotfoots it to a vacation spot as soon as any shit hits the fan now, even when his decisions are urgently required. But when Palin quit rather than stay and be paralyzed and bankrupted, she left someone in charge who would continue her agenda and she already achieved her oil pipeline reform goals. Did she leave Alaska bankrupt? No – AK is one of the few states actually not in fiscal trouble now, and she can claim credit for that. So I don’t see how AK was left in the lurch when she quit.
    Did she quit and hide from further media assaults? Did she quit and let the GOP fend for themselves in 2010? Did she quit when she was accused by the media of being responsible for the shooting of Giffords?
    People can call her a quitter, but they can’t say she runs away.
    Anyway, I am not trying to change your mind; just explaining why the quitter meme doesn’t resonate with me. She quit because she didn’t have the resources to fight back on their terms, then she promptly went to work gathering those resources — money, allies, supporters, alternative press. And now she’s back. And the media is back to their 2008 mantra: “why won’t the stupid bitca just quit” because she can’t win because she’s a proven quitter. Media will talk about her record as a quitter but not about her record of what she did get done before she quit.

  121. From Bitterpol
    ***

    AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION

    1. The sport of choice for the urban poor is BASKETBALL.

    2 The sport of choice for maintenance level employees is BOWLING.

    3 The sport of choice for front-line workers is FOOTBALL.

    4 The sport of choice for supervisors is BASEBALL.

    5 The sport of choice for middle management is TENNIS.

    And….

    6 The sport of choice for corporate executives and officers is GOLF.

    THE AMAZING CONCLUSION:

    The higher you go in the corporate structure, the smaller your balls become.

    There must be a ton of people in Washington playing marbles!

  122. Media will talk about her record as a quitter but not about her record of what she did get done before she quit.
    ****************

    And that is the ammunition she gave them and they will pound her into the ground with it

  123. And that is the ammunition she gave them and they will pound her into the ground with it

    Fair enough; that’s the only thing they have on her. We will see how many voters actually care.

    I read that SP is in Gettysburg today; we were just there last month (school trip) — it is a very emotional place to be imo; all the graves and stories. I didn’t actually know that the Eisenhower farm is right next to it – I wonder if the Palins will visit that too.

  124. Carville is advising the Palin campaign. Now that is interesting news.
    —————————-
    If true, then it makes perfect sense. James understands working class people and he understands southerners. That is the group Sarah needs to make headway with for her to be viable. Her main opponent in the primary is Bachman since they target the same audience. It will divide the tea party between north and south. Bachman will probably win Iowa since she was born there and comes from a neighboring state. Big media will give Sarah the same treatment that they gave Hillary after she lost that state. They will get people like Rove to say she cannot win. They will scream in her face get out and coronate Bachman. Their support for Bachman will be short lived however, because if she beats Sarah, then they will destroy her at a later time as the did with McCain. But if Sarah hangs in there she can win South Carolina with the James’s help. And at some point, the tea parties will have to re unite.

  125. I think he put it out there on purpose, what do you think?

    BC was very proud of this surplus, he must be livid about the mess we are in.

    —————
    No doubt about it. Bill triple thinks whatever he says before he says it. That is a virtue Obama and his fellow cannibals appear to lack.

  126. votermom
    May 31st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    —————————-
    They not only killed democracy, they spat on it afterwards, and then they told us fuck you you don’t count go to the back of the line or we will roll over you. In better times, this would provoke a duel in the early morning hours at 20 paces.

  127. And that is the ammunition she gave them and they will pound her into the ground with it

    ==================

    Let’s not help them.

  128. People can call her a quitter, but they can’t say she runs away.

    ================

    Excellent post, excellent analysis.

  129. March 31 is our Bastille Day. A video showing a Soros and Roosevelt plunging a dagger into the back of the Statue of Liberty would be a fine way to commemorate that other day which shall live in infamy.

  130. uppity

    This was also the day at the Confluence that the blogger SM coined PUMA.
    F*** YES I am not giving up and I hope that none of you do either.
    This is pure unadulterated stealing of the Uncommitted vote.
    I declare a P.U.M.A. = Party Unity My Ass – in honor of Harold Ickes’ words.

  131. Yeah, I think Bill Clinton is doing what he can. He & Hillary both love the country and the pre-2008 Democratic party.
    The fact that Hill is SoS has been the one ray of light in this nightmare … I dread to imagine a 2nd BZero term without her. And Israel must be thinking the same.

  132. But look at every election since and whoever was the media darling turned out to be a corporate stooge. W vs Gore. W vs Kerry. BZero vs Hillary (the “stupid bitca who wouldn’t quit”). BZero vs McCain-propped-up-by-SP.
    [….]
    [Palin] will clean house. That’s why they fear her. She has a record of breaking up cronyism. If we can’t have an honest liberal president, let’s at least have an honest president.

    =================

    Right.

    Palin may not have Hillary’s solutions, but she’s smart enough to come up with other solutions no one else has thought of. Tax the oil companies nationwide?

  133. Mrs. Smith said:
    With their critique accusing me of arguing with everyone when I state a contrary point of view or correct something posted with a link.

    ==============

    Hey, I thought it was me that some stranger accused of arguing too much. ;-0

    Anyway, arguing is good.

  134. gonzotx
    May 31st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I was really one of the first posters here supporting Palin. When she quit, I had to take a step back. I know many people, in real life, that feel the same way. People want to know when the unthinkable happens, you will be there. She has lost that piece about her that was so special, no matter how good her reasons were.
    ___________________

    If she declares she is running- IF..

    She can remedy her resignation with a simple explanation. If people still want to hold it against her, it’s up to them. IF she runs a good campaign which she will if Carville is involved, then I’m sure she will give it all she’s got. I believe and always have believed she is honest- which to me is a big thing because that is a rarity as we know for politicians.

    Who knows, I read where there is a Senate vacancy coming up in AZ.. And in light of the recent purchase of a home in AZ, that may be her future plans after all.

  135. BigCatLover
    May 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Thanks for the clarification- When you said “we protect the president”, I took your statement to mean via public outcry hinging on the partisan status quo-

  136. Mrs. Smith,

    I know I have gone on record as saying Sara Palin isn’t ready now to be potus but maybe later on.

    After seeing what happened on this site last night, I decided to do some research and better educate myself on Sara.

    Here is what I found…

    Yes the media is being brutal to her.

    Her blogs are pertinent and well done.

    She is a breath of fresh air to many.

    So while I still am not sure about her and don’t agree with all her policies, I do see her as a potentially great leader in the future.

    (((Hugs)))

  137. gonzotx:

    Aside from Bill Clinton, James Carville has never worked for an election campaign in the US. He limited his work to consulting for politicians in foreign countries.

  138. I just can’t believe that Carville rumor. He is a PUMA but he is a Dem. Maybe his wife, but she isn’t afaik a Palinista.

  139. Mrs. Smith

    If it is true that James Carville is working with Sarah that is big news, and the lefts heads will be exploding. They will brand him a Southerner and a racist which we all know is not true. I wonder how this is playing at home with his wife Mary. If it is true I for one say bravo James you are my kind of man to pick Country over Party. We need more dye in the wool Democrats to challenge Obama. If James has picked to work for Sarah this does say allot about her to me.

  140. gonzotx
    May 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    uppity

    This was also the day at the Confluence that the blogger SM coined PUMA.
    F*** YES I am not giving up and I hope that none of you do either.
    This is pure unadulterated stealing of the Uncommitted vote.
    I declare a P.U.M.A. = Party Unity My Ass – in honor of Harold Ickes’ words.

    ———-
    Three years and counting…I have been wearing my Hillary t-shirts lately, supporting my bumper sticker on my back window, ‘Hillary 2012’ and I am not going anywhere away from my PUMAs or Pinks until the dust has settled and we finish the job that needs to be done.

    It’s only been 2.5 years with Barry in office and it feels like a lifetime of disappointments and hardship.

  141. This is hilarious.
    CBS producer: Palin’s creating a dangerous traffic situation by making us follow her around
    http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/05/31/cbs-producer-palins-creating-a-dangerous-traffic-situation-by-making-us-follow-her-around/comment-page-1/#comments

    “I just hope to God that one of these young producers with a camera whose bosses are making them follow Sarah Palin as a potential Republican candidate don’t get in a car crash, because this is dangerous,” he said.

    I love how anything bad that could possibly happen will always be Palin’s fault.
    Btw, I think they are headed to the Liberty Bell now. Zomg, I am sure as soon as she looks at it the bell will break in half! (On a serious note, downtown Philly is BZero country – takes guts for a GOPer to go there with min security).

  142. I am wondering if Carville is really working for Sarah Palin.

    I have been trying to find a link anywhere that supports this rumor. If anyone has one, please post.

  143. Maybe it was all over the news and we didn’t see it-

    During one of America’s crises.

    I’ll see if I can find where I read it-

  144. “I just hope to God that one of these young producers with a camera whose bosses are making them follow Sarah Palin as a potential Republican candidate don’t get in a car crash, because this is dangerous,” he said.

    I love how anything bad that could possibly happen will always be Palin’s fault.
    *******************

    All traffic deaths on the Eastern Seaboard are now reported to be the sole responsibility of Sarah Palin!

    Wow, this chick has super powers! we need a super power SP doll!

  145. I agree with the writer. Ethanol is a boondoggle. Sort of like Iowa, whose electorate was badly bamboozled in 2008. Sure, they had bus loads of Bolseviks from Illinois, but their voter qualification criteria are part of the problem as well. I do not think that state should be the first to cast its votes. Too easily misled. I would start with New Hampshire, whose electorate is more sophisticated.
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    Sarah Palin Opposes All Energy Subsidies

    Another vote against corporate ‘cornyism’
    Posted by Daniel Horowitz (Profile)
    Tuesday, May 31st at 1:31PM EDT
    6 Comments

    As the presidential election heats up, we will continue to track where the candidates stand on ethanol and energy subsidies. The issue of ethanol subsidies is vital to conservatives for several reasons. First, ethanol epitomizes everything that is wrong with onerous government interventions; corporate cronyism, market distortions, higher prices for vital goods and services, and government dependency. Also, with food and energy prices at an all time high, ethanol subsidies will provide the eventual Republican nominee with a unique opportunity to use bread and butter issues to educate voters about the virtues of the free market.

    Finally, and most importantly, if the Republican nominee lacks the temerity to rebuff a handful of corn welfare recipients in Iowa, he/she will certainly lack the moxie to cut trillions from the millions of dependents on the welfare state.

    Last week, Mitt Romney embraced ethanol, Tim Pawlenty disavowed his support for ethanol (while speaking in Iowa), and Newt Gingrich….well, he is Professor Cornpone. Today, Sarah Palin rejected all energy subsidies in a brief interview with reporters in Gettysburg. Scott Conroy of Real Clear Politics reports from Gettysburg:

    Asked Tuesday whether she supports the federal subsidy of ethanol, an always critical issue in the presidential nominating cycle, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin went one step further and called for the elimination of all energy subsidies.

    “I think that all of our energy subsidies need to be relooked at today and eliminated,” Palin told RCP during a quick stop at a coffee shop in this picturesque town tucked into the south-central Pennsylvania countryside. “And we need to make sure that we’re investing and allowing our businesses to invest in reliable energy products right now that aren’t going to necessitate subsidies because, bottom line, we can’t afford it.” ….

    “We’ve got to allow the free market to dictate what’s most efficient and economical for our nation’s economy,” Palin said. “No, at this time, our country can’t afford the subsidies. Before, though, we even start arguing about some of these domestic subsidies that need to be eliminated — should be — we need to look at ending subsidies and loans to foreign countries and their energy production that we’re relying on, like Brazil.”

    It’s good to hear the presidential candidates taking on all energy subsidies along with ethanol. Although ethanol is the most odious and ineffectual of all the subsidized energy sources, we should not be subsidizing any form of energy. Consequently, every presidential candidate should oppose subsidies for natural gas as well. This would keep up the pressure on House Republicans to renounce their support and co-sponsorship of the T. Boone Pickens handout-H.R. 1380.

  146. From The Telegraph UK via bitterpol

    Barack Obama’s decision to play golf on Memorial Day was disrespectful and hardly presidential

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100090074/obamas-decision-to-play-golf-on-memorial-day-was-disrespectful-and-hardly-presidential/

    Can you imagine David Cameron enjoying a round of golf on Remembrance Sunday? It would be inconceivable for the British Prime Minister to do so, and not just because of the usually dire weather at that time of the year. Above all, it would be viewed as an act of extremely bad taste on a day when the nation remembers and mourns her war dead. I can’t imagine the PM even considering it, and I’m sure his advisers would be horrified at the idea. And if the prime minister ever did play golf on such a sacrosanct day he would be given a massive drubbing by the British press, and it would never be repeated.

    Contrast this with President Obama’s decision to play golf yesterday, Memorial Day, for the 70th time during his 28-month long presidency. For tens of millions of Americans, Memorial Day is a time for remembrance of the huge sacrifices made by servicemen and women on the battlefield. The president did pay his respects in the morning, laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery, but later in the day traveled to Fort Belvoir to play golf. The story has not been reported so far in a single US newspaper, but was made public by veteran White House correspondent Keith Koffler on his blog.

  147. Mrs. Smith
    May 31st, 2011 at 8:37 am
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am definitely not into group think.

    I understand that this blog is a Hillary Clinton blog. The admin writes excellent factual articles that are well researched, and that have a lot of supporting evidence. I appreciate that very much. About a year ago, I remember reading some comments made in the comments section that were starting to make me feel a little uncomfortable. I like Hillary Clinton. I have voted for Hillary Clinton. I think she is extremely intelligent. BUT, she is not perfect. No one is. There is enough about her for me to feel comfortable with her in a leadership position, as in POTUS. Yet, I was reading comments here that were making me feel like I was on an OBOT site that spewed blind allegiance, or at least that is what I felt at that moment. That is scary to me. Blind allegiance, as seen from the perspective of OBOTS supporting Øbama as if he were some type of messiah, is very unsettling, and personally, it’s unacceptable for me to ever place myself in that type of position. As of today, Hillary Clinton still shows that she deserves my support, but that is because her actions allow it. If she were ever to do something that I found wrong, then I would gripe about just like I would gripe about any other politician’s perceived errors. It doesn’t mean that I no longer support her, but if given enough ammunition to re-evaluate my support, I certainly would do so. When I think of Bill Clinton, there were some things that I did not agree with him on, but all in all, I voted for him twice, and the second time was because he had done a pretty good job in office during his first term. My vote was his reward from me.

  148. Backlash Against the hate filled partisans and their big media co-conspirators . . . . Like I said in the beginning, if big labor had played their cards differently, then they would have won. But since they no longer seem to represent their members and are content to function as a vestigal organ of the party of Obama, they lost big.
    —————————————————

    Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Joanne Kloppenburg has conceded the election results for her Supreme Court bid against incumbent David Prosser.

    Also, a word to the Greater Wisconsin Committee? You know, the group that created that scurrilous ad that was so awful that it caused a backlash in the Prosser/Kloppenburg race. Anyway, just a reminder: if you guys weren’t a bunch of hate-filled partisan hacks who would cheerfully attack an abuse survivor in order to keep your Big Labor/Democrat masters happy, you might have won that election.

    Moe Lane (crosspost)

  149. votermom
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    This is hilarious.
    CBS producer: Palin’s creating a dangerous traffic situation by making us follow her around

    ==================================

    Sarah isn’t making anyone do anything. The write of that sentence should rethink how stupid it sounds.

  150. I just called James Carville’s office (703 739 7777).

    Mrs. Smith completely made it up, James Carville is not advising Sarah Palin’s Presidential Campaign.

    If the rest of us interloper bloggers are just absent too often, and the above gem from Mrs. Smith is what counts as “meaningful” posts, I’ll take interloper. 🙄

  151. Fifth Dimension
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    —————-

    I think most of us at various times have posted things that turned out not to be factual…through no fault of our own. This does not mean that we do not submit “meaningful posts” as you so lovely pointed out above. And it certainly does not mean that Mrs. Smith made ANYTHING up.

    As far as I am concerned, Mrs. Smith’s posts are excellent and a great contribution to the ongoing dialogue here.

  152. wbboei
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:49 pm
    =============================

    Iowans look at themselves as being something special when it comes to elections, as if they have some special political savy that allows them to stand above the rest. That is what happens when they are placed in a position of always being the first in the nation to cast their caucus votes. Personally, I think the election schedules should be rotated. No state should be placed on a pedestal. In my opinion, one state from each of the recognized four primary regions of the country(north, south, east, west) should be the earliest to vote. I acknowledge that a large state like California may hold an inordinate amount of sway if that state were the first to vote in the western region, but maybe there is something that can be done about that? Or, maybe the smaller states that come next, either in the same region, or the other regions, will negate or balance California’s vote.

  153. btw…JBStonesfan… FYI…down to +5.8 … expect this to continue to flucuate…and we are not really in any race just yet…things won’t get focused until all are declared and a few debates have happened after the Winter holidays, at the earliest…
    =====================

    Yes, I saw that today. Yet, if you look at some recen articles, they suggest Obama’s re-election team is feeling very confident as the OBL thing, along with a slow, but somewhat upward trend in the economy is expected to continue. Also, there is no moster issue like health care that will come up betwen now and the election. Add to that the current field of GOP contenders is less than overwhelming. Romeny is unlikely to beat Obama (assuming he can even get the GOP nomination) and while I respect Palin as a person and abhor the personal attacks, I have maintained from day one she is not electable (and I doubt she even runs).

  154. You know, I meantioned John Coale (Greta Van Susteren’s hubbie) above as being a person that was advising Sarah Palin. I wondered when I first read Mrs. Smith’s comment about James Carville, if she had accidentally confused the two men when she wrote her comment. Whatever, I don’t believe Mrs. Smith purposely goes about trying to deceive people.

  155. The law of averages is catching up with Boehner. He finally did something smart. Whenever the Republicans try to solve a problem, the dims play politics. You see it with the debt ceiling, with health care and everything else. This is not an endorsement of the Republican Party. It is simply a reaffirmation of the obvious that the Party of Obama is sinking this country almost everywhere you look. So finally the Republicans wise up. No more attempts at a solution. Just vote party line–and dare the more responsible Democcrats to do likewise and face their electorate next fall. The party of Obama does not solve problems. That is not what he or they are about. Like the villains in 1984, their only goal is perpetual power.

  156. Power Play
    Debt Drama in House Today
    By Chris Stirewalt

    Published May 31, 2011
    | FoxNews.com
    Print Email Share Comments (725) Text Size House GOP Sets the Floor on Debt Ceiling

    “I don’t think a lot of people outside of Washington – and maybe some of the people here – really understand how hard this is. This may give them some idea.”

    –Senior GOP congressional aide discussing with Power Play today’s vote on an unconditioned, $2.4 trillion increase in the federal borrowing limit.

    In case Democrats need any convincing of how difficult it is going to be to obtain President Obama’s requested increase in the federal borrowing limit, House Republicans will remind them today.

    More than 100 House Democrats recently signed a letter demanding that Speaker John Boehner bring forward a vote for an increase in federal debt levels without any conditions for cuts or future spending curbs. Imagine their surprise when Boehner agreed and will serve up a bill that would provide enough borrowing to cover all of president Obama’s spending requests for next year without any preconditions.

    The legislation will go down to a bipartisan trouncing. Even many of those Democrats who were seeking such a “clean” vote will now oppose the plan on the grounds that it was not offered sincerely. One Democratic communicator described the vote to Power Play as “cheap theatrics” worthy of the cast of “Jersey Shore.”

    But the political reality is that increasing the nation’s swollen $14.3 trillion debt is a political loser. Voters hate it and lawmakers don’t even get anything new to give away since the money is going to cover existing obligations.

    The point of today’s exercise is twofold:

    First, it is designed to rob Democrats of the chance to say Republicans are playing politics with the nation’s credit limit. By offering the vote, Republicans will demonstrate that there is now broad, bipartisan agreement that more debt must be matched with cuts. That will set the new bar for ongoing negotiations.

    Second, the vote will help demonstrate to the world beyond the beltway, especially on Wall Street, the gravity of the situation. While the Obama administration’s repeated warnings about a potential default have mostly been cast aside by creditors and investors, the actual consequences of an impasse – gridlock on the Hill ahead of budget season and a partial government shutdown – are not the kinds of things that makes brokers bubble with confidence.

    Republicans have scheduled a night vote so as not to spook markets with a defeat (and to deny any Democratic-allied investment firms the chance to make mischievous moves). This highlights the Republican educational effort here. The financial sector – which has never understood Washington very well – needs some convincing about how serious the situation is. Used to dealing with corporate machinations arranged around profit alone, financial types often find the motivations of lawmakers confusing.

    Seeing the starkness of this number may help convince the Wall Street club to start leaning on Democrats for more concessions, quicker, to get the deal done. If Democratic patrons like Goldman Sachs start demanding swifter action, the White House and Senate Democrats will step it up.

  157. JanH
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Fifth Dimension
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Jan, with all due respect, Mrs. Smith is the one who first attacked those posters who don’t groupthink exactly like she does. It’s ok for her to minimize everyone else’s contributions, but no one to point out, with the same snark that she started, for her misgivings? I don’t think so.

    For the most part, I think Mrs. Smith does provide a meaningful contribution to this site, as I think just about every poster does…..but she does she seem to get into an argument with just about everyone at some point in time. Need I remind the arguments she had with Wbboei? Or Lorac? Or PM317? or just about several other people on this blog? Sounds to me like the problem starts with her, not others.

    The point here is, if we were as tit-for-tat as she has been, and has been quite often, this sort of contentious what this blog would be like.

    Most of us are able to discuss without berating, it would be nice to have that same courtesy in return.

  158. wbboei
    May 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    From the article you posted: “She was Tea Party before Tea Party was cool.”

    Well technically, the Tea Party was there long before Sarah Palin got involved. The Tea Party launched in April 2009; whereas it was February 2010 before Sarah Palin tried to get linked up with the Tea Party. My guess is she had resigned from the governorship by then, and need to latch on to something to continue political relevancy.

  159. #
    Fifth Dimension
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    JanH
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Fifth Dimension
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Jan, with all due respect, Mrs. Smith is the one who first attacked those posters who don’t groupthink exactly like she does. It’s ok for her to minimize everyone else’s contributions, but no one to point out, with the same snark that she started, for her misgivings? I don’t think so.

    For the most part, I think Mrs. Smith does provide a meaningful contribution to this site, as I think just about every poster does…..but she does she seem to get into an argument with just about everyone at some point in time. Need I remind the arguments she had with Wbboei? Or Lorac? Or PM317? or just about several other people on this blog? Sounds to me like the problem starts with her, not others.

    The point here is, if we were as tit-for-tat as she has been, and has been quite often, this sort of contentious what this blog would be like.

    Most of us are able to discuss without berating, it would be nice to have that same courtesy in return.
    _____________________

    If only what you are saying is True- And if you know about the skirmish with wbboei- Then you got that info Third Hand, which means you are commiserating with the other bloggers and getting their version of the story. If you weren’t here to read it and are coming in at the 11th hour then you don’t know what you are talking about.

    Furthermore, you never answered the one question I asked you last night about the derogatory comments made by Sarah Palin about Hillary Clinton. So, where is the story to back up your claim?

  160. Fifth Dimension

    I don’t want to start a revolution or anything here. I’ll just say that I have witnessed some of the recent altercations with those named posters you mentioned above. In some cases I personally felt they went to far in bullying Mrs Smith.

    I am not here to take sides, but I value Mrs. Smith’s kindness as well as her support and contributions to this site more and more as the days go on.

  161. Fifth Dimension:

    “For the most part, I think Mrs. Smith does provide a meaningful contribution to this site, as I think just about every poster does…..but she does she seem to get into an argument with just about everyone at some point in time. Need I remind the arguments she had with Wbboei? Or Lorac? Or PM317? or just about several other people on this blog? Sounds to me like the problem starts with her, not others.”
    ___________________

    I didn’t realize there are only 3 posters on this blog and including yourself when you make an appearance- 4.

    So, thats everybody, right? Take a hike Fifth Dimension, your barking up the wrong tree- And for your information I do not rely on your opinion to validate who I am or what I contribute to this blog-

  162. nomobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    I don’t believe Mrs. Smith purposely goes about trying to deceive people.
    ________

    I don’t think I said anything about Mrs. Smith trying deliberately deceive people (“made up” is a factual statement, not a comment on intent), but if you have a link to somewhere from which this additional inference can be gleaned, by all means.

    Although, I do have to wonder….how can anyone make such a statement and not stop to consider seriously the plausibility of said statement?

    Even if John Coale was mixed up with James Carville, James Carville is no stranger to any serious Clinton supporter….and the name James Carville, even in a mixup, would imo make one think. After all, James was Bill’s lead campaign strategist, and name mix up or not, one would think the possibility of Bill Clinton’s lead campaign guy working Sarah Palin would be enough to bring them to some sort of awareness.

  163. #
    nomobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    You know, I mentioned John Coale (Greta Van Susteren’s hubbie) above as being a person that was advising Sarah Palin. I wondered when I first read Mrs. Smith’s comment about James Carville, if she had accidentally confused the two men when she wrote her comment. Whatever, I don’t believe Mrs. Smith purposely goes about trying to deceive people.
    _______________________

    While looking for verification of 5th Dimension’s claim that Sarah Palin made a derogatory remark about Hillary Clinton, stating: “he was done with her and would not support her if she ran for the O/O.” I googled using similar search words looking for the remark and came across a site noting it was from Free Republic dated in March of 11′- The headline in the search listing was Carville had been hired by Sarahpac to consult on her campaign. When I opened the link, I read a few comments from their usual posters and did not open the main link reading from the original article.

    I’ve since looked and could not re-find the site. So, worst case scenario- Carville is not consulting for her campaign- No harm, no foul- (if she is running for anything, that is-)

  164. jbstonesfan
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    btw…JBStonesfan… FYI…down to +5.8 … expect this to continue to flucuate…and we are not really in any race just yet…things won’t get focused until all are declared and a few debates have happened after the Winter holidays, at the earliest…
    =====================

    Yes, I saw that today. Yet, if you look at some recen articles, they suggest Obama’s re-election team is feeling very confident as the OBL thing, along with a slow, but somewhat upward trend in the economy is expected to continue. Also, there is no moster issue like health care that will come up betwen now and the election. Add to that the current field of GOP contenders is less than overwhelming. Romeny is unlikely to beat Obama (assuming he can even get the GOP nomination) and while I respect Palin as a person and abhor the personal attacks, I have maintained from day one she is not electable (and I doubt she even runs).
    &&&&&&&&&

    Well, if the economic “recovery” is happening slowly… then we need to emphasize the SLOW part.

    Even NY Times today lays its out in its lead op-ed:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/opinion/31tue1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

    Editorial
    The Numbers Are Grim
    ==================

    Published: May 30, 2011

    A month ago, when an initial gauge of first-quarter economic growth came in surprisingly weak, many policy makers and economists expected the bad news to prove fleeting. But when revised data were released last week, the growth estimate remained stuck at an annual rate of 1.8 percent, compared with 3.1 percent at the end of last year.

    More troubling in the latest figures, consumer spending — the largest component of the economy — was especially slow. Stagnant wages and higher prices for gas and food are squeezing family budgets, while falling home equity hurts consumer confidence. That suggests more bad news to come.

    When consumers are constrained, so is hiring, because without customers, employers are hard pressed to retain workers or make new hires. A recent Labor Department report showed a greater-than-expected rise in the number of people claiming jobless benefits even as private-sector economic forecasts are being revised downward — both very bad omens for continued job growth.

    Republican lawmakers have responded to renewed signs of weakness with a jobs plan that prescribes more of the same “fixes” that Republicans always recommend no matter the problem: mainly high-end tax cuts, deregulation, more domestic oil drilling and federal spending cuts.

    The White House has offered sounder ideas, including job retraining, plans to boost educational achievement and tax increases to help cover needed spending. But its economic team is mainly focused on negotiations to raise the debt limit, presumably parrying Republican demands for deep spending cuts that could weaken the economy further while still reaching an agreement on the necessary increase.

    The grim numbers tell an unavoidable truth: The economy is not growing nearly fast enough to dent unemployment. Unfortunately, no one in Washington is pushing policies to promote stronger growth now.

    The sinkholes in the economy should be obvious. Most prominently, the housing market is still awful, and state and local government budgets are still a mess. Conditions apparently have to get worse before deficit-obsessed policy makers will be ready to address them, including with bolstered foreclosure relief and more fiscal aid to states. More delay would only imperil the recovery, such as it is. And without a strong recovery, it will be even harder to repair the budget. Continued hard times means low tax revenues and high safety-net spending.

    If Washington won’t do what is needed to make things better, there are still things that can be done to try to keep the economy from getting worse.

    The administration could work to ease the rules for refinancing mortgages owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-run mortgage giants. Easier refinancings would lower monthly payments for potentially hundreds of thousands of borrowers in good standing, and in that way, free up spending money to boost the economy.

    The Federal Reserve, for its part, must be prepared to continue measures to bolster the economy as needed, even if that means looser policy for longer than it originally planned. Democrats in Congress must lay the groundwork for an inevitable fight over extending federal unemployment benefits, which expire at the end of this year.

    There’s a long way to go before the economy will thrive without government help.

  165. Fifth Dimension
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    I think SP’s polices were of Tea Party mettle before there was a Tea Party, like taking the oil companies on, the Repub party regulars, selling the Gov’s Jet…

    I don’t want to get in the middle of anything here but I understand where you are coming from. We all have our own opinion.

  166. votermom
    May 31st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    Btw, uppity woman has a post today reminding us that on this day in 2008, the ROOLZ committee killed democracy in the Democratic party.
    http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/may-31-2008-the-day-democracy-died-in-the-democratic-party/#comment-155705
    ************************
    Thanks for posting this. I did that this morning but the comment had 2 links in it so it is still sitting in spam. I added Donna Brazile’s email address so she could once again hear from those who would like to remind her of what she did:
    donna@brazileassociates.com

  167. Lets all get along, we can disagree, but we are here for a greater purpose. If you don’t like something, scroll on down. Lowers the blood pressure.

  168. Shoot, I did it again – I posted a commment with 2 links in it again and it’s sitting in span, again.
    I was referring to votermom’s link to Uppity Woman’s blog today about the day the dem party died in 2008. I added Donna Brazile’s email address so those who would like to remind her of what she did to half the party can email her now that she is head of the DNC:
    donna@brazileassociates.com

  169. James Carville is a campaign strategist and I’m sure his services are for sale, so it is possible that he gave advice to Palin’s campaign. But I certainly have no inside information on this.

  170. JanH
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Fifth Dimension

    I don’t want to start a revolution or anything here. I’ll just say that I have witnessed some of the recent altercations with those named posters you mentioned above. In some cases I personally felt they went to far in bullying Mrs Smith.

    I value Mrs. Smith’s kindness as well as her support and contributions to this site more and more as the days go on.
    ________

    I do agree Jan that the bullying on this site has sometimes gone too far. I guess my point here is that I personally wasn’t attacking Mrs. Smith when I posted my thoughts on why I don’t think the Hillary/Sarah Palin conflation is logical (heck I even said that it was probably some of us trying to be generous/magnanimous)…but when you log on later, and see people attack you for being absent, as a way I guess to disagree with the content of your post, well it smarts a little. All I’m saying is there is a way of making one’s point, without focusing on extraneous info. Focus and debate issues, not other things.

    But I guess just the thought of “Where have you been??? Why are you even commenting??” was a bit too much. Well, I was busy getting accepted in Medical School!!! I can’t help it if that takes priority in my life, of course it will, and will continue to do so for many years! (Not to mention that it’s something I started the same time as Hillary began her President, and considering what happened with the 2008 campaign, am really, really happy that things for me worked out well.) It’s something meaningful for me, on which I will gladly spend time. Real life means we will be absent sometimes and not here as much as we want.

    As I have also stated several times, I value Mrs. Smith’s contributions. She, along with you, wbboei, confloyd, nomo, gonzo, turndown and several others show up everyday and contribute, and that is incredibly meaningful. That Mrs. Smith and I are fighting right now, doesn’t give me any joy either. I always liked it when Mrs. Smith and I are on the same side, and if she wants to still be friends, that would be something I’m for also, of course.

  171. turndownobama
    May 30th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
    Palin was not being pressured to resign.

    [[ In effect she was. By harrassing lawsuits — rather like Starr going after the Clintons. Hillary in 2008 was not being sued by anyone. And NOBODY pressured her to campaign for Obama! ]]

    Palin decided to resign on what she thought will further her political career by giving her flexibility in managing her public persona.

    [[ You don’t know that. You are not a mind reader. ]]

    No, I’m not a mind reader. I just gave Palin the most generous explanation of her actions. She could well have quit because she fears the investigation that is coming or that she wants to earn more money from working elsewhere or it could be that she is just a quitter. Who knows? I want to think that she resigned because it furthers her political career.

  172. Fifth Dimension
    May 31st, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    —————
    It is difficult at times to keep cool heads when we are all so passionate about what is happening out there.

    I too hope that we can all get back to what is important, being friends and promoting healthy discussion.

  173. Mrs. Smith
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Furthermore, you never answered the one question I asked you last night about the derogatory comments made by Sarah Palin about Hillary Clinton. So, where is the story to back up your claim?

    _________

    Mrs. Smith, I was simply just away last night, that’s all. It was a busy weekend for me and I went to bed early, very early. Here is the answer to your question, in the comments section of this Hillaryis44 article:

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/11/23/the-age-of-fake-in-full-bloom/

    I feel I should restate one more time what exactly my thought is here, less there be any confusion. I don’t have a strong opinion on Sarah Palin, one way or the other. I also defended her, vigorously, from many of the attacks with which she has had to deal.

    All I am saying is that the once-upon-a-time Hillary simulacrum that Sarah served is no longer there, for me. It’s really just the Hillary-Sarah conflation that I see at times, that to me at least, doesn’t make sense. To me Sarah Palin is now the same as Michelle Bachmann, or really, any other person in the GOP. That doesn’t mean I will or won’t support them, it’s just that the Sarah-Hillary connection, causality, whatever doesn’t exist for me. Sarah Palin imo has more in common with Michelle Bachmann than she does with Hillary, and while I certainly would not draw similarities with Hillary and Michelle Bachmann, I also don’t anymore with Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton.

  174. S
    May 31st, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Barack Obama’s decision to play golf on Memorial Day was disrespectful and hardly presidential
    &&&&&&

    To all the MSM ass-kissers who have turned their papers and stations into “state mouthpieces”, are you willing to admit that Ubumma has a tin ear? That he is not the 10-dimensional chess playing genius you’ve portrayed him to be?

    Or will you continue doing his bidding? “For heavens sake, cut the man a break. He has suuuuuuch a stressful job…”.

    STFU, idiots.

  175. WASHINGTON — Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is calling Barack Obama “one of the most ineffective presidents” he’s ever seen, and says he can beat him next year.

    Romney tells NBC in an interview that while Obama wasn’t responsible for the recession he inherited, “he made things worse. He’s failed.”

    Romney also says he thinks Obama lacks “a cogent assessment” of world affairs. The Republican charges, in his words, “The Arab spring came, one of the greatest opportunities we’ve seen in decades, and we’ve been flatfooted.”

    Romney, who plans to formally get into the GOP race later this week, says he doesn’t think his Mormon faith will be an obstacle to winning the GOP presidential nod, saying “we’re not electing a pastor in chief, we’re electing a commander in chief.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/31/mitt-romney-blasts-obama-_n_868921.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk2|67185

  176. es, I saw that today. Yet, if you look at some recen articles, they suggest Obama’s re-election team is feeling very confident as the OBL thing, along with a slow, but somewhat upward trend in the economy is expected to continue. Also, there is no moster issue like health care that will come up betwen now and the election. Add to that the current field of GOP contenders is less than overwhelming. Romeny is unlikely to beat Obama (assuming he can even get the GOP nomination) and while I respect Palin as a person and abhor the personal attacks, I have maintained from day one she is not electable (and I doubt she even runs).
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    I like it when they are over confident. But their confidence is strictly for public consumption. Deep down they know, unless they are stupid, that the jobs situation is not improving, the economy is still in the tank, the gdp is low, the debt limit is choking us and on and on and on, ad infinitum. Plus, they do not know who they will be running against. Like the Nazis they truly are, their problem is to defend Fortress Europe from an assault which can come at any place and any direction. Hitler was confident he could defend fortress Europe, but history shows his confidence was misplaced.

    Of all the causes which conspire to blind
    Man’s erring judgment and misguide the mind
    What the weak head with strongest bias rules
    Is pride–the never failing vice of fools.

  177. If you look at anything too closely you can become cynical. If Sarah can stir patriotic impulses in the average American and show them that the New World Order promoted by Obamacrats is not a foregone conclusion unless we give up, I think that is a good thing over all. And, I do stand by my earlier statement, that there are irreconcilable differences between the elite interests who speak through big media and the general welfare of the American Public. At one time all boats rose with the tide, but in a global economy the dynamic is winner take all. It is imperative that we not buy their newspaper, tune in to their propaganda or subliminally incorporate that propaganda into our thinking. The mantra must be if the New York Times opposes someone or something, then they must be doing something right which is often something that the New York Times will not come out and say. But if you dig deep enough it is always there.

  178. nomobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    wbboei
    May 31st, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    ============
    I’ve always wondered why the primaries aren’t held at the same time, like the General Election is.

    Is it so each states can hold debates before their own primary?

    I would like to see a 3 party system in the US:

    – Progressive Party
    – Conservative Party
    – Centralist Party

    Take away the Donkey, Elephant and give all parties the same spending limits, tv time and debate time.

    Let candidates win by their merits and not the $ they can or can’t raise.

  179. Obama budget goose eggs in the senate (of all places). Big media will censor this news and change to subject.
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    Budget of Tears

    By John Batchelor on May 31, 2011 at 2:50 PM in Current Affairs
    How strange to see the 2012 budget proposal from Obama administration from February, just three months back in a sloppy, cold, snowy East Coast winter, rejected 0 to 97 by a bi-partisan Senate vote before the so-called Memorial Day holiday.

    (The Senate remained in session in order to prevent POTUS from recess appointments of Elizabeth Warren, the priestess of precision for aspects of the Inquisition of Dodd Frank, from gaining an appointment to her secret cult post of Grand Inquisitor.)

    But the 0 to 97 vote is the fun part. Most all of the Obama administration is ad hoc.

    What is said today will blow away in three months. POTUS may be an illusion.

    Reviewing audio of Andrew Jackson biography and TR biography interchangeably (“American Lion” and “Theodore Rex”); and what is true of their administrations is true of this one. All policy (Second National Bank, Trail of Tears (below: Jackson accused of babying the Indians), Anthracite Strike, Panama Canal) is an exercise in expedience and delusion.

  180. While Hocus Potus plays with his marbles and our nation continues to sink deeper into debt and into hard times the real Potus is hard at work traveling the Globe and calling on world leaders.She is the best SoS this country has ever had.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will go to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for a meeting of the Libya Contact Group on June 9. This meeting will build on the last Contact Group meeting held in Rome and will allow the United States to discuss with its international partners the range of issues with respect to addressing the situation in Libya, including the ongoing implementation of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973.

    Secretary Clinton will then travel to Lusaka, Zambia, on June 10 for the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) Ministerial Forum, where she will showcase this centerpiece of our trade policy with Africa and engage with government, private sector, and civil society representatives from 37 different countries. While in Zambia, she will also meet with Zambian President Rupiah Banda as well as participate in events to highlight U.S. government initiatives to improve the lives of the Zambian people.

    From there, Secretary Clinton will travel to Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania, and Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, to meet with Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete and Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. In Tanzania, she will highlight our successful bilateral engagement including a host of programs including Feed the Future (FTF). In Ethiopia, Secretary Clinton will focus on regional issues, visiting the African Union (AU) headquarters and meeting with AU Chairperson Jean Ping, in addition to bilateral meetings. She will also meet with civil society to draw attention to their innovative and enterprising work.

  181. Poor Hillary, she needs some good R&R with her big Dawg.

    She works way too hard, especially while the boyKing plays and parties and spends our money.

  182. I have been following this blog for a very long time. I learn so much from the articles and from the comments. A vast array of subjects and people are discussed, but now Sarah Palin is verboten? Give me a break. I am a loyal Hillary supporter but I like Sarah Palin, and I will talk about her and anything else if I so choose unless Admin. is opposed.

  183. #
    Shadowfax
    May 31st, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Poor Hillary, she needs some good R&R with her big Dawg.

    She works way too hard, especially while the boyKing plays and parties and spends our money.
    _________________

    Fear not, it will not be forgotten…

    I’m sure Hillary is seeing the light at the end of the tunnel by now-

  184. One good shotgun blast sure scattered the quail. . .

    Eighty two democrats broke ranks and voted against raising the debt limit.

    Meanwhile in the Senate, the Obama budget was skunked

    I am so glad his handlers are so confident that he will be reelected. People without jobs will be obsessing about the late bin laden rather than their lack of a pay check. For whenever Obama’s ugly puss appears on the television screen, and big media reaches for their kneepads and Tapper leads the chorus Good Morning Mr President.

    And the people without jobs will think about Bin Laden and hum a few bars from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence. If you ever saw that movie then you know the man who killed the notorious outlaw did not get credit for it, and the man who got the credit did not do the shooting. Yes, another example where life imitates art.
    ————————–
    House Votes Against Raising Debt Ceiling 318 to 97
    By Moe Lane
    Red State Blog

    Which is a surprise, given that I didn’t think that there were 318 Republicans in the House… no, wait, there aren’t. 82 Democrats voted against raising the debt limit without accompanying spending cuts; which is highly entertaining, given that 114 House Democrats signed Rep. Peter Welch’s letter requesting… precisely this vote. Do compare the signatories to said letter with the no votes on HR 1954: you will notice an entertaining amount of overlap, there.

    The hysterical bit? The Democrats are complaining that they didn’t get to add amendments to the bill, which is fairly straightforward:

    SECTION 1. FINDING.
    The Congress finds that the President’s budget proposal, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2012, necessitates an increase in the statutory debt limit of $2,406,000,000,000.

    SEC. 2. INCREASE IN STATUTORY LIMIT ON THE PUBLIC DEBT.
    Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof `$16,700,000,000,000′.

    …which sounds exactly like the quote-unquote ‘clean extension’ that Welch and his colleagues called for, but did not reliably[*] vote for. Which tells you everything that you need to know about Democratic legislative courage… or, more accurately, the utter lack of same. That’s the moral of the story: when when it comes to screwing one’s courage to the sticking point on fiscal discipline, the Democrats in Congress will cave*. Good to know, yes?

    Moe Lane (crosspost)

    PS: Someone has told the Democratic members of Congress that they’re expected to work on creating a budget every year, yes? I ask merely because a dispassionate reading of recent legislative history does not support the assumption that anyone has told them.

    [*75 of 114 is not in fact reliable. It is in fact a very poor showing.]

  185. JanH
    May 31st, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Fifth Dimension

    I don’t want to start a revolution or anything here. I’ll just say that I have witnessed some of the recent altercations with those named posters you mentioned above. In some cases I personally felt they went to far in bullying Mrs Smith.

    I value Mrs. Smith’s kindness as well as her support and contributions to this site more and more as the days go on.
    __________________________

    Thank you, JanH- I don’t think I will ever forget the attacks between posts when rapid posting focused on Israel. I know the interruptions bothered you as well.I didn’t want to break and address them because it wasn’t worth the time and effort to allow their personal attacks to steal my time.

    Thank you, 5th Dimension for bringing it up and clearing the air- I said what I wanted to say earlier and if the trio want to continue to be school yard bullies and attack me because I have an opinion and speak my mind… bring it. Let’s see who’s hiding behind who-

  186. Obama’s Other ‘Part-Time Foreign Policy Consultant’ – NYT’s Thomas Friedman – Mocks Israel, Congress

    By Matt Hadro May 31, 2011

    NewsBusters previously reported that CNN’s Fareed Zakaria had met with President Obama face-to-face to discuss foreign policy. Obama’s other reported “source” of information on foreign policy, New York Times foreign affairs columnist Thomas Friedman, mocked Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu Sunday on CNN, and added that he should have dutifully obeyed the demands Obama outlined in his recent Mideast speech.

    According to a May 11 New York Times article, Friedman was one of two foreign policy journalists “sounded out” by President Obama for information on foreign affairs. The other, CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, has previously criticized Israel’s prime minister for not agreeing to the Israeli-Palestinian borders laid out by Obama in his Mideast speech.

    Friedman, who essentially agreed with Zakaria that Netanyahu was in the wrong, dismissed the warm reception the prime minister received by Congress last week, saying that he could “stand up and read the phone book and be assured that a bunch of knuckleheads in the audience will stand and give…a standing ovation.”

    After thus mocking both Netanyahu and Congress, Friedman added that Netanyahu said “no” to Obama’s speech when he should have said “yes.”

    “Let’s say [Netanyahu] had stood before Congress and said, ‘You know, my fellow friends and my American friends, your president, President Obama, has come to me and said that he believes that there’s an opportunity here for a breakthrough with the Palestinians….When our best friend, our oldest ally, our most important strategic partner in the world, comes to me and makes the request, there’s only one answer: Mr. President, yes.”

    Friedman added later for emphasis that “there’s only one right answer. ‘Yes, sir. We will do that. Barack Obama, this Bud’s for you’.”

    However, perhaps the strangest argument Friedman made was that Netanyahu would be coldly received by student governments on college campuses across the country, the future politicians of America – as if that was a substantial blot on the prime minister’s credentials.

    “If you went to those student governments, they’re the future. They’re the future of voters. They’re the future people who will maintain the strategic relationship with Israel. And there, I can tell you, as anyone who goes to college campuses knows, that people don’t get Israel, what Israel is doing right now,” Friedman contended.

    A transcript of the segment, which aired on May 29 at 1:04 p.m. EDT, is as follows:

    FAREED ZAKARIA: So what does it look like to Thomas Friedman, the author of “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” winner of three Pulitzer Prizes, “New York Times” columnist. Tom, this week, whatever criticisms you may have or I may have, Bibi Netanyahu goes back to Israel and he is hailed a hero.

    THOMAS FRIEDMAN, New York Times foreign affairs columnist: There’s no question that when you stand up to a foreign power, you assert, you know, your demands. There’s going to be a constituency back in Israel that’s going to support that. It’s good work, Fareed, if you can get it. But what happens next week? You know, I think we have to step back and really ask the big strategic question: why is Israel popular? Why has this been an enduring relationship all these years? Why does that cameraman and, you know, that sound person support Israel, whether they’re Jewish or not Jewish? It’s because we see them like us. We see them as a country that shares our — our values. And, most importantly, we see — we see Israel as a bastion of democracy in the Middle East.

    That’s Israel’s greatest strategic strength vis-a-vis the United States. And what, you know, those of us who have been critical of Prime Minister Netanyahu on this issue are basically saying is that’s precisely what is imperiled if there is no peace agreement that allows Israel to cede the West Bank to a Palestinian authority in a safe and secure way so it doesn’t absorb all those Palestinians, so we don’t end up with a situation where a Jewish minority is ruling over an Arab majority between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. We know where that goes. That’s called Jewish apartheid.

    That – that would be the biggest strategic threat to Israel. And the way you know that is if you look at the strategy of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. What is their strategy? It is to make sure Israel must never leave the West Bank. OK? Because as long as Israel’s there, that is the key to their strategy for globally de- legitimizing Israel. Why play into that strength?

    ZAKARIA: But he gets 29, 28 standing ovations in Congress.

    FRIEDMAN: Well, you know, there’s a parallel between what the Palestinians could get at the U.N. and what the Israelis can get in Congress. They can both stand up and read the phone book and be assured that a bunch of knuckleheads in the audience will stand and give them a standing ovation.

    So — but let’s think about how Bibi could have really gotten a standing ovation. That would also have been in his long-term interest. Let’s say Bibi had stood before Congress and said, you know, my fellow friends and my American friends, your president, President Obama, has come to me and said that he believes that there’s an opportunity here for a breakthrough with the Palestinians. I have to tell you, I personally don’t believe it.

    But I know one thing. When our best friend, our oldest ally, our most important strategic partner in the world, comes to me and makes the request, there’s only one right answer. Mr. President, yes. You want a six-month moratorium on settlement building? I’ve already got 500,000 settlers in Jerusalem and the West Bank. You know what, Mr. President? That’s not really a strategic risk for me. The potential payoff of that is so great, I don’t believe it. I’m skeptical. But when you, President Obama, ask me that, there’s only one right answer. Yes, sir. We will do that. Barack Obama, this Bud’s for you. Then he would have gotten a standing ovation that would have not just included the U.S. Congress, it would have included Europeans. It would have included Arabs. It would have included people all over America. They said hey, there’s a guy who’s going the extra mile.

    And that’s my point, Fareed. I have no idea whether there is a Palestinian partner for a secure peace with Israel along the lines that President Clinton has laid out. I just know one thing. Given the implications for Israel, if it gets stuck permanently holding the West Bank, it is in Israel’s overwhelming interest to test, test and test again, OK? Because that would be a huge strategic threat to Israel if it has no choice but to absorb the West Bank.

    ZAKARIA: But you travel there a lot and you know the American Jewish community here. Both those crucial constituencies – it’s always struck me that to get peace, you’re going to have to convince a majority of Israelis because they have the land. They have the land and the guns, in a sense, that they’re the power on the ground. It’s drifting to the right. It’s – they are less interested in the kind of deal you’re describing.

    FRIEDMAN: Well, you do have — you have a more conservative on this issue, right wing, whatever you want, nationalist population in Israel now between the growing orthodox population and the Russian Jews. There’s no – there’s no question about that. You know, as far as American Jews, you know – you know, to me, the question, Fareed, is yes, Bibi Netanyahu, because of political reasons and campaign donations and AIPAC’s influence, can get standing ovations in the U.S. Congress anytime they want, seven days a week, 24/7. How many standing ovations do you think he could get at the student government at the University of Missouri? At Stanford? At Harvard? At the University of Virginia? At the University of Texas? If you went to those student governments, they’re the future. They’re the future of voters. They’re the future people who will maintain the strategic relationship with Israel. And there, I can tell you, as anyone who goes to college campuses knows, that people don’t get Israel, what Israel is doing right now. They – some are alienated. Some – more – and this is a bigger problem, more just – I don’t – it’s messy. I don’t want to get involved in this at all. And, you know, that’s where – what (Inaudible) – don’t worry about me. I mean, I grew up, you know, identifying with Israel very strongly, believing in a two-state solution that – the right of the Jewish people to a state in the Middle East, next to a Palestinian state, you’re not going to lose me, you know? But what I don’t see is people like me, Jews or non-Jews, being emotionally involved in this issue, growing up and caring about it. So that’s – that’s the long term. That’s Israel’s strategic strength.

    But, again, Fareed, I — I understand. This is complicated. The Palestinians have missed a million opportunities, including with the last Israeli government. And there’s a really legitimate question to ask, can they get their act together? Forget for a hard-line deal, for the deal that President Clinton put out, that Olmert, the previous Israeli prime minister – I don’t know. But I just know one thing, you’ve got to test, test and test again, because the implications of not are strategically, enormously dangerous.

    ZAKARIA: When you look at Israel today, what I’m struck by is at some level it’s so secure. There’s – there’s booming economy. It’s powerful military, it’s gotten more powerful every year. Nuclear arsenals, some of which is on submarines. And yet –

    FRIEDMAN: They behave “like a disarmed Costa Rica,” as Abba Eban once said, you know, and this is not a disarmed Costa Rica. This is a powerful country, with a – with a powerful society, a – a powerful economy. And – but, again, I understand – nine miles wide at its narrowest. I wouldn’t ask Israel to take any risks that – seem unreasonable. But, boy, if they could strike a deal now with the Palestinians, when you do have actually a decent Palestinian authority, there’s – that has actually built a security force that the Israeli Army will tell you has – has been effective. You know, this is what I’ve been saying from the beginning of the Arab revolt, Fareed, which is that when is the time to make big decisions in life? It’s when you have all the leverage on your side. You see farther. You – you think more clearly.

    What did Hosni Mubarak do? He had 30 years of leverage vis-a-vis the Egyptian people to democratize his county. He didn’t do it. He didn’t use it. And then, in one week, he tried to do what he should have done over 30 years. He failed. Completely. People didn’t believe a word he said.

    You – you don’t want Netanyahu to be the Hosni Mubarak of the peace process, where Israelis look back and say we had all this time, decent Palestinian authority to test – I’m not saying cut a deal. I don’t know whether there’s a deal – but to really test whether they can deliver and do what we can to embolden and encourage and empower them, and we didn’t use it. We sat back and said, look, I got a good poll from my week in Washington. Well, la-dee-da, I mean, we threw you a fish. What is that good for, you know? Ultimately, you want to anchor this in a really secure relationship. You don’t want to be the Hosni Mubarak of the peace process, where people say what did you do when you had all that leverage? What – you cited a poll?

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2011/05/31/obamas-other-part-time-foreign-policy-consultant-nyts-thomas-friedman-mo
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    What garbage- as if Obama is disconnected enough- He invites demented Marxist journalists to the WH for a game of (h)oops-

    Bibi is like Hosni Mubarek? Yeah, Hosni had a great democracy in Egypt- It was phantoms shooting protesters in the streets- right?

  187. Shadowfax
    May 31st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Palin and ‘The Donald’ incite a frenzy as they split a pepperoni pizza before astonished tourists in New York’s Times Square.
    ____________________

    I’d like to see Trump fishing for salmon in the wilds of Alaska. Gutting and scaling the fish, Sarah showing him how it’s done! haha! Wonder if the Donald has a golden slicker and knee hi Wellies?

  188. Mrs.Smith @9:55pm

    Larry J. over at NQ wrote an excellent piece on Freeidman, this man [Freidman] has to be one of the biggest buffon I have ever seen

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2011/05/29/thomas-friedmann-fking-moron/

    I had no idea he was married to a billionaire’s daughter, nice to see elitists think they know better than the majority. I’m embarassed to say I bought one his books, I will be giving that away, considering it was copied from someone else.

  189. Greta is on the bus with Sarah and asking lots of questions to her.
    Hillary’s name came up when Sarah said that the US needs to know where the money goes that we give to other countries. Greta asked her how to find out where that money goes, Sarah said it it up to diplomats to find out if the money is going to corrupt leaders or the people over there, that people like our SoS, Hillary Clinton to find out, these people need to do their job and find out.

    I guess Hillary isn’t doing enough………….

  190. “that people like our SoS, Hillary Clinton to find out, these people need to do their job and find out.”

    yea, I saw and heard that, I really didn’t see that as a put down of hillary as much as this is what Waffles admin needs to do, more of what she would be doing as, etc, more of a put down of Waffles.

    Thought it was as interesting interview. Greta is one of the few fair reporters, was very fair to Hillary in ’08 as well.
    Yuck, santorum in on next, where’s my remote?!?

  191. Tim:

    from NQ

    “The Leader of the Islamic Revolution made reference to Egyptians’ fight for “dignity and honor” and noted that Mubarak’s biggest crime was turning Egypt into an instrument in the hands of the United States.”
    ____________________

    All the money the US gave in aide to Egypt over the years, $67M went into Mubarek’s Swiss Bank account-
    _________________

    Shadow-

    “Hillary’s name came up when Sarah said that the US needs to know where the money goes that we give to other countries. Greta asked her how to find out where that money goes, Sarah said it it up to diplomats to find out if the money is going to corrupt leaders or the people over there, that people like our SoS, Hillary Clinton to find out, these people need to do their job and find out.

    I guess Hillary isn’t doing enough…
    _____________________

    OR- giving Hillary the excuse she needs to investigate and not look anti-Islamic?

  192. tim

    Personally, I think Hillary is working her buns off and shouldn’t have to also add tracking the spending of our money on to her plate. Maybe if saying the State Dept. or the Obama admin. should track this money, I would have been happier.

    Yup, Santorum…hope it is short.

    I am hoping Greta will ask Sarah what she discussed with Trump today…hehe.

    Seems as though Trump is wondering what to do, I hope he jumps back in the race a little further down the line.

    God, I hope someone good tosses their hat in the ring and we are not left with the Newt, Mitts or some other stone head.

  193. Mrs. S

    OR- giving Hillary the excuse she needs to investigate and not look anti-Islamic?

    ———–
    I didn’t get that feeling from the conversation.

  194. Shadowfax
    May 31st, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Yes, I agree with you, and I wish Hillary would leave, she’s done more than enough to clean up after this fool, the Waffles.

  195. I suspect there will be more and more occasions where Hillary will be directly addressed, sometimes in a negative way, not personal, but negative as the current SOS, as she is part of the Waffles admin, its just me, but I don’t see this as an attack on Hillary herself, she is part of the Waffles admin, so I suspect there will be more of this type thing. Its just my humble opinion, but I won’t take this as a personal attack on Hillary, if that line is crossed, well then that’s another story.

    But Palin, and other repubs will address Hillary as a part of the Waffles admin., although I don’t hear this often, most of the time they seem to directly go after Waffles, but if they address Hillary directly as a part of the Waffles admin, it will not make me not support that repub nominee, so long as there are no personal attacks, I will support any repub against waffles; its more of a anti-Waffle vote than a pro-repub vote at this point.

    To me at least, what Palin said I don’t take it as a personal attack against Hillary, this is part of the reason I wish Hillary could leave and let Waffles implode even faster, considering Hillary is one of the very few competent people there. But I suspect there will be more such things said as 2012 comes in closer.

  196. I didn’t get that feeling from the conversation.
    __________________________

    I don’t watch any of the shows, so I can’t really judge-
    If you didn’t get that feeling, then it worked. Because if you did, Sarah’s serious question asking “show us where the money goes” didn’t produce the intended results. Hillary will send an aide- to check it out. My daughter in law’s brother’s job is making those sorts of trips. I’ve never seen a report of any kind made public though- This would be a first if Palin’s question goes viral.

  197. Funny, Greta just talked about Weenergate…sp 😉

    She said the photo was a man in his boxers, no mention of the ‘flag poll’

    Then played a tape where reporters asked Weener if it was his photo or not. He danced around the issue, and basicly refused to answer ‘yes’ or ‘no’.

  198. Tim, I don’t remember, but didn’t Hillary say she would not be SoS if Barry won a second term, and imply she would stay until the end of his first term?

    Seems to me Hillary is the type that would say as long as she promised.

    Part of me wants her to leave now too, but darn, I love having her take care of our country and I would be so much more fearful without her influence over him. I wonder if Bin Laden would still be alive now or if Gates and Petraeus would have pulled it off without her?

    Gates is supposed to leave this month…Hillary’s job may get even more difficult without her buddy.

  199. Mrs. Smith…

    This is something that I found on the Free Republic website that mentions Sarah Palin and James Carville, but it is not an affirmation that James Carville is working with SarahPac, just a supposition voiced by Sarah Palin if she were to ever have a need for another “bald headed consultant”.

    To: harmonium

    As long as she rises above the “real talk express” stuff and does her thing with her own Sarah spin, and doesn’t get roped into RNC machine politics.
    I think that was The Straight Talk Express where McCain intended to seduce the media. Instead they seduced him and then jilted him.

    I don’t expect her to get roped into the political consultant thing. She has campaigned against what she called career politicians and once when asked about that bald headed consultant of McCain’s, she grinned and said that if she every needed another bald headed consultant it would probably be James Carville.

  200. Better yet, I also found this article on the same website that was written about Sarah Palin by Fred Barnes back in 2007 after she had won the governorship of Alaska. The Weekly Standard is a conservative magazine, but that doesn’t mean that they would praise Palin just for the sake of praising her because she is considered a conservative. She takes a lot of guff from some conservatives, too.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp?pg=1

    Juneau

    The wipeout in the 2006 election left Republicans in such a state of dejection that they’ve overlooked the one shining victory in which a Republican star was born. The triumph came in Alaska where Sarah Palin, a politician of eye-popping integrity, was elected governor. She is now the most popular governor in America, with an approval rating in the 90s, and probably the most popular public official in any state.

    Her rise is a great (and rare) story of how adherence to principle–especially to transparency and accountability in government–can produce political success. And by the way, Palin is a conservative who only last month vetoed 13 percent of the state’s proposed budget for capital projects. The cuts, the Anchorage Daily News said, “may be the biggest single-year line-item veto total in state history.”

    As recently as last year, Palin (pronounced pale-in) was a political outcast. She resigned in January 2004 as head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission after complaining to the office of Governor Frank Murkowski and to state Attorney General Gregg Renkes about ethical violations by another commissioner, Randy Ruedrich, who was also Republican state chairman.

    State law barred Palin from speaking out publicly about ethical violations and corruption. But she was vindicated later in 2004 when Ruedrich, who’d been reconfirmed as state chairman, agreed to pay a $12,000 fine for breaking state ethics laws. She became a hero in the eyes of the public and the press, and the bane of Republican leaders.

    In 2005, she continued to take on the Republican establishment by joining Eric Croft, a Democrat, in lodging an ethics complaint against Renkes, who was not only attorney general but also a long-time adviser and campaign manager for Murkowski. The governor reprimanded Renkes and said the case was closed. It wasn’t. Renkes resigned a few weeks later, and Palin was again hailed as a hero.

    Palin, 43, the mother of four, passed up a chance to challenge Republican senator Lisa Murkowski, the then-governor’s daughter, in 2004. She endorsed another candidate in the primary, but Murkowski won and was reelected. Palin said then that her 14-year-old son talked her out of running, though it’s doubtful that was the sole reason.

    In 2006, she didn’t hesitate. She ran against Gov. Murkowski, who was seeking a second term despite sagging poll ratings, in the Republican primary. In a three-way race, Palin captured 51 percent and won in a landslide. She defeated former Democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election, 49 percent to 41 percent. She was one of the few Republicans anywhere in the country to perform above expectations in 2006, an overwhelmingly Democratic year. Palin is unabashedly pro life.

    With her emphasis on ethics and openness in government, “it turned out Palin caught the temper of the times perfectly,” wrote Tom Kizzia of the Anchorage Daily News. She was also lucky. News broke of an FBI investigation of corruption by legislators between the primary and general elections. So far, three legislators have been indicted.

    In the roughly three years since she quit as the state’s chief regulator of the oil industry, Palin has crushed the Republican hierarchy (virtually all male) and nearly every other foe or critic. Political analysts in Alaska refer to the “body count” of Palin’s rivals. “The landscape is littered with the bodies of those who crossed Sarah,” says pollster Dave Dittman, who worked for her gubernatorial campaign. It includes Ruedrich, Renkes, Murkowski, gubernatorial contenders John Binkley and Andrew Halcro, the three big oil companies in Alaska, and a section of the Daily News called “Voice of the Times,” which was highly critical of Palin and is now defunct.

    One of her first acts as governor was to fire the Alaska Board of Agriculture. Her ultimate target was the state Creamery Board, which has been marketing the products of Alaska dairy farmers for 71 years and wanted to close down after receiving $600,000 from the state. “You don’t just close your doors and walk away,” Palin told me. She discovered she lacked the power to fire the Creamery Board. Only the board of agriculture had that authority. So Palin replaced the agriculture board, which appointed a new creamery board, which has rescinded the plan to shut down.

    In preserving support for dairy farmers, Palin exhibited a kind of Alaskan chauvinism. She came to the state as an infant, making her practically a native. And she is eager to keep Alaska free from domination by oil companies or from reliance on cruise lines whose ships bring thousands of tourists to the state.

    “She’s as Alaskan as you can get,” says Dan Fagan, an Anchorage radio talk show host. “She’s a hockey mom, she lives on a lake, she ice fishes, she snowmobiles, she hunts, she’s an NRA member, she has a float plane, and her husband works for BP on the North Slope,” Fagan says. Todd Palin, her high school sweetheart, is a three-time winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snowmobile race from Wasilla to Nome to Fairbanks. It’s the world’s longest snowmobile race.

    Gov. Palin grew up in Wasilla, where as star of her high school basketball team she got the nickname “Sarah Barracuda” for her fierce competitiveness. She led her underdog team to the state basketball championship. Palin also won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest, in which she was named Miss Congeniality, and went on to compete in the Miss Alaska pageant.

    At 32, she was elected mayor of Wasilla, a burgeoning bedroom community outside Anchorage. Though Alaskans tend to be ferociously anti-tax, she persuaded Wasilla voters to increase the local sales tax to pay for an indoor arena and convention center. The tax referendum won by 20 votes.

    In 2002, Palin entered statewide politics, running for lieutenant governor. She finished a strong second in the Republican primary. That fall, she dutifully campaigned for Murkowski, who’d given up his Senate seat to run for governor. Afterwards, she turned down several job offers from Murkowski, finally accepting the oil and gas post. When she quit 11 months later, “that was her defining moment” in politics, says Fagan.

    Her campaign for governor was bumpy. She missed enough campaign appearances to be tagged “No Show Sarah” by her opponents. She was criticized for being vague on issues. But she sold voters on the one product that mattered: herself.

    Her Christian faith–Palin grew up attending nondenominational Bible churches–was a minor issue in the race. She told me her faith affects her politics this way: “I believe everything happens for a purpose. In my own personal life, if I dedicated back to my Creator what I’m trying to create for the good . . . everything will turn out fine.” That same concept applies to her political career, she suggested.

    The biggest issue in the campaign was the proposed natural gas pipeline from the North Slope that’s crucial to the state’s economy. Murkowski had made a deal with the three big oil companies–Exxon, BP, ConocoPhillips–which own the gas reserves to build the pipeline. But the legislature turned it down and Palin promised to create competition for the pipeline contract.

    She made three other promises: to end corruption in state government, cut spending, and provide accountability. She’s now redeeming those promises.

    Palin describes herself as “pro-business and pro-development.” She doesn’t want the oil companies to sit on their energy reserves or environmental groups to block development of the state’s resources. “I get frustrated with folks from outside Alaska who come up and say you shouldn’t develop your resources,” she says. Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on “federal dollars,” as the state does today.

    Her first major achievement as governor was lopsided passage by the legislature of the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act, which is designed to attract pipeline proposals this summer. The state is offering $500 million in incentives, but the developer must meet strict requirements. The oil companies have said they won’t join the competition.

    Palin’s tough spending cuts drew criticism from Republican legislators whose pet projects were vetoed. But her popularity doesn’t appear threatened. “It’s not just that she’s pretty and young,” says Dittman. “She’s really smart. And there’s no guile. She says her favorite meal is moose stew or mooseburgers. It wouldn’t shock people if that were true.”

    Fred Barnes is executive editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD

  201. Another comment made by a commenter on the Freeper site about Sarah. I highlighted below the thing that I believe is true and that people need to realize about Sarah.

    : Bigtigermike
    i’d rather she limit those that know where she will be and how she’ll get there, as much as possible.

    accidents are a favored tactic for those in political circles when they wish to get rid of someone

    and Sarah is taking on the establishment left AND establishment right

    which will make her more appealing to the independents (she will already have the conservatives)

    49 posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:46:33 PM by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
    [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

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  202. I am hoping Greta will ask Sarah what she discussed with Trump today…hehe.

    Seems as though Trump is wondering what to do, I hope he jumps back in the race a little further down the line.

    ==============

    As Palin’s VP? 😉 Might work. Her political experience and judgement, his admirers and his eye for details.

  203. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:18 am
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    Either, or. I would support a Trump/Palin ticket or a Palin/Trump ticket. His business experience is an asset. Sarah’s willingness to buck the establishment is one of her best qualities, in my opinion, and something that needs to happen now as the Republican and Democrat parties continue to play Americans.

  204. I would like to see a 3 party system in the US:

    – Progressive Party
    – Conservative Party
    – Centralist Party

    ————————-

    Then either the Progressive and Centralist split the non-Conservative vote and the Conservatives win — or the Conservatives and Centralists split the non-Progressive vote and the Progressives win.

    Like just happened in Canada. Or like what happened in 2000 when Nader and Gore split the vote so Bush won.

  205. Here’s what Fifth Dimension posted in the “age of fake” thread, quoting from Palin’s book:

    Today’s self-proclaimed feminists have (more than once) accused me of not being a “real woman” because I don’t share their leftist views. (The same sort of insults are hurled at black conservatives like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell who don’t view themselves primarily as victims of racism.) But it’s actually the liberal women’s groups that have little in common with the majority of American women. Most women love their families and cherish motherhood. But all too often leaders of the modern feminist movement seem disdainful of traditional family life and the joys and fulfillment we find in motherhood.

    Remember Hillary Clinton’s famous rant, when her husband was running for president, that she wasn’t, in her words, “some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette?” Hillary is someone I like and admire personally in many ways, but she came across then as someone frozen in an attitude of 1960s-era bra-burning militancy. She told us in no uncertain terms that she “could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas” but preferred to pursue a serious career. Well, Hillary (many of us wanted to say at the time), some of us like to baked cookies. Some of us also think we can do that and still have successful careers. And most of us don’t think we have run down stay-at-home moms in order to make ourselves feel good about our choices.

    The women’s groups and mainstream media have greeted the rise of conservative mama grizzlies in much the same way they treated the vice-presidential campaign in 2008…[snip]

    Fifth Dimension
    November 23rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/11/23/the-age-of-fake-in-full-bloom/#comment-315114

  206. So, worst case scenario- Carville is not consulting for her campaign- No harm, no foul- (if she is running for anything, that is-)

    =================

    No foul I’m sure. But false rumours do harm to the credibility of the blog. So it’s worth fact checking a little further before posting something like that.

  207. I do have to wonder….how can anyone make such a statement and not stop to consider seriously the plausibility of said statement? [….] I do have to wonder….how can anyone make such a statement and not stop to consider seriously the plausibility of said statement?

    ===============

    Yes. None of us are perfect, but Mrs. S does have room for growth in this area.

  208. “I just hope to God that one of these young producers with a camera whose bosses are making them follow Sarah Palin as a potential Republican candidate don’t get in a car crash, because this is dangerous,” he said.

    I love how anything bad that could possibly happen will always be Palin’s fault.
    ———————
    The elites know they are cutting a fat hog at the expense of the American People. They are praying that the American People do not wake up. The useful idiots of big media are their henchmen.

  209. As recently as [2006], Palin (pronounced pale-in) was a political outcast.
    ———————-
    Having met some of the politicians in Alaska–Don Young, Hank Eaton, Carl Moses, Jay Hammond, Wally Hickel and one here just recently who name escapes me I must say it is not particularly bad to be an outcast. Hammond was the only one I was comfortable with. I used to see his wife on her set net sight on the Naknek River. She was an Alaska Native and personable. Jay was an Alaska State guide, the real think. Don Young was a power player when Newt was Speaker. His wife Lou is/was a piece of work. If you have a banquet and wonder where the silver went, you do not need Inspector Pourie. All you need to do is frisk Lou and her unmentionables will rattle. The worst of any of them is this goddamned Lisa Murkowski and her corrupt daddy Frank. They are grifters and they are in the hip pocket of big oil. I mean big oil says jump and Lisa Medusa Murkowski says how high. I used to see Carl Moses in a little weigh station I had for king crab and salmon at King Cove halfway down the Peninsula on the Pacific side. He would come in, nod, smoke his pipe, say nothing and stare at the horizon. The call that look the Aleutian stare. A hundred mile stare in a 10 foot room, which is thought to be a symptom of madness. I liked Carl an awful lot for somebody who never said a word. He just grunted and nodded. Perhaps he though I was wearing a wire.

  210. Fifth dimension – if you’re still awake – there’s a message for you in the comments to Uppity Woman’s current post….

  211. Fifth dimension – if you’re still awake – there’s a message for you in the comments to Uppity Woman’s current post….

  212. Hank was the head of the Kodiak Native Association and a complete asshole. But compared to the Murkowskis he was a saint. He dabbled alot in politics but was not an actual politician, so I misspoke.

  213. In Chicago, prep under way for wet, steamy future — “The Windy City is preparing for a heat wave – a permanent one. Climate scientists have told city planners that, based on current trends, Chicago will feel more like Baton Rouge than a Northern metropolis before the end of this century. So, Chicago is getting ready for a wetter, steamier future. Public alleyways are being repaved with materials that are permeable to water. The white oak, the state tree of Illinois, has been banned from planting lists, and swamp oaks and sweet gum trees from the South have been given new priority. Thermal radar is being used to map the city’s hottest spots, which are then targets for pavement removal as well as the addition of vegetation to the roofs. And air-conditioners are being considered for all 750 public schools, which until now have been heated but rarely cooled.”

  214. Heh. I’m seeing quite a few people having fits because (they claim) Palin is NOT running for President. Odd how one person minding her own business draws so much fury.

  215. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 2:38 am

    Shadowfax,

    STFU!
    ———-
    No I will not shut up.

    The people concerned had their say and you don’t need to open up wounds again.

  216. This is not a real-time chat room. There is no rule that says a comment cannot be replied to if it is more than X hours old. People even copy old comments to a current thread to reply to them. No one should be ordered not to reply just because they were not here when a comment was made.

    Different people read and reply in different order. Some skip days and never catch up. Some post several comments at late hours. Some catch up by reading from the latest back toward the first.

    YOu can’t invent some sort of rule based on order and timing.

    So STFU.

  217. Big TV news day for me. NBC New York @ 5:30 am. Top story: A combo of Christie’s meal with 7 Iowa donors + Trump/Palin eating pizza in Times Square. Of Christie, NBC reported him to have stated that he had not discussed a WH run with his family so would not be in the process. Two other sources state definitively he said he would not run. NBC’s Tracy Strahan reported both accounts live @ 5:30, and this is what I could find of Trump/Palin on the channel’s web site:

    Sarah Palin had pizza with Donald Trump in New York City Tuesday night and plans to visit the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island on Wednesday as part of her bus tour. Palin and Trump met at his private residence before they headed out for dinner. The two Republicans are friends and the meeting had “no particular agenda,” according to Michael Cohen, special counsel to Trump. Sources tell NBC New York that Palin’s highly secretive Northeast tour — thought by some to be a leadup to a 2012 presidential campaign announcement — will head to the Statue of Liberty by private boat early Wednesday morning, and then to Ellis Island.
    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Sarah-Palin-Bus-Tour-NYC-2012-122895004.html

    A station local to me reported that Trump stated Palin had not asked him for support.

    Perhaps some Republicans do have a strategy: keep them guessing. That should dilute Obama’s ability to launch venomous attacks in any particular direction.

  218. Perhaps some Republicans do have a strategy: keep them guessing. That should dilute Obama’s ability to launch venomous attacks in any particular direction.

    ================

    Sounds like a good strategy. But how long has it been customary for anyone to announce for POTUS this far in advance? Didn’t we use to have a longer break between campaigns?

  219. tdo & longer break between campaigns.
    —————————————-
    I’m too much of a newcomer in this field to comment, but appreciate all who apply thought & common sense to the political process.

    Here is more good news on a subject most of us can appreciate:
    Congressman Lou Barletta Takes Illegal Immigration Fight to New Level
    Reported by: Andy Mehalshick
    Hazleton, Luzerne County– Congressman Lou Barletta says illegal immigration is not just about people collecting public welfare and taking jobs that should be taken by legal citizens, it’s about national security. Standing on the steps of Hazleton City Hall, where five years earlier he launched his Illegal Immigration Relief Act, Barletta took aim at what he calls sanctuary cities. Barletta said, “When I hear that local police pull over illegal aliens and Federal Agencies tell the police chief to let him go, that is more than disturbing. We have to consider the fact that 5 of the 19 terrorists who carried out the 9-11 attacks had expired student Visas and they were not questioned. This legisaltion calls for the cutting off of federal funds to any city that is a sanctuary city, that is a safe haven for illegal aliens and willfully allows those aliens to break our laws.” Eyewitness News asked Congressman Barletta is he talked with house leadership about the bill, he responded,”No I have not but I have other lawmakers who will co-sponsor the bill.” Barletta’s Hazleton Ordiance got a big boost last week when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld much of an Arizona Law that was modeled after Hazleton’s. The same court is now reviewing the City’s “Illegal Immigration and Relief Act.” The Ordinance penalizes businesses and landlords who knowingly hire or rent to illegal immigrants. The Federal District Coutrt ruled it unconsittuional as did the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia. The city’s new Mayor Joe Yannuzzi said the fight will continue. He said,”We are not giving up and in fact the law did nothing to stop legal immigrants from moving in, we have many Latino buisnesses that opened after the controvesial law was passed.” Tom Marnell, a former Hazleton Area School Board member told Eyewitness News, “This kind of federal bill is long overdue. These elected officials took an oath to uphold the law not to pick and choose which laws they will enforce.” The sanctuary cities that have been talked about in the illegal immigration debate include San Francisco and Miami.
    http://pahomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=186387

    Those here may recall that I am a Barletta cheerleader. He is a natural at what he is doing. I watched him debate former Rep. Paul Kanjorski broadcast on alocal PBS station, and he started with a line similar to this:
    Today Mrs. Barletta and I celebrate 30 years of marriage. I told her we were going to a show. I didn’t say it was this.

    His latest legislation is called the MASC Act (Mobilizing Against Sanctuary Cities)

  220. nomobama
    May 31st, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Mrs. Smith…

    This is something that I found on the Free Republic website that mentions Sarah Palin and James Carville, but it is not an affirmation that James Carville is working with SarahPac, just a supposition voiced by Sarah Palin if she were to ever have a need for another “bald headed consultant”.

    “I don’t expect her to get roped into the political consultant thing. She has campaigned against what she called career politicians and once when asked about that bald headed consultant of McCain’s, she grinned and said that if she every needed another bald headed consultant it would probably be James Carville.”

    _________________________

    Wow- thanks nomo- so the “plausibility” factor is alive and well in the Palin Camp. In my opinion, it would be a brilliant move for Sarah having Carville as her consultant. The unorthodox candidate teamed up with the unorthodox (dyslexic like me) consultant spreading his creative wings giving Obama a good run for his money-
    ____________________

    Shadowfax:

    appreciate the backup- but nomobama put it so well the other day referring to the ‘anklebiter’ when he said… “all she does is argue and preach” then he said: “when you need someone to argue with, look in the mirror and argue with yourself.”

    I don’t think we can disagree on the perfect put-down for the family of ‘downs’… 😆

  221. holdthemaccountable
    June 1st, 2011 at 6:40 am

    “Barletta’s Hazleton Ordiance got a big boost last week when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld much of an Arizona Law that was modeled after Hazleton’s. The same court is now reviewing the City’s “Illegal Immigration and Relief Act.” The Ordinance penalizes businesses and landlords who knowingly hire or rent to illegal immigrants. The Federal District Coutrt ruled it unconstitutional as did the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia.”

    [:::]

    “His latest legislation is called “The MASC Act” (Mobilizing Against Sanctuary Cities)
    ___________________

    Thank goodness for people like him that keep the lamp burning until we get the protection we need to save the country from being over run at will by terrorists.

  222. Speaking of terrorists. Notice the caveat under the title. Wouldn’t an individual making bombs at home be charged with domestic terrorism?
    ____________________________

    May 31, 2011

    2 Iraqis in Kentucky charged with terrorism
    A 23- and 32-year-old living in Kentucky indicted for aiding al Qaeda in Iraq;
    Neither plotted domestic terrorism.

    (AP)

    LOUISVILLE, Kentucky — Two Iraqis living in Kentucky have been arrested on charges that they tried to send sniper rifles, stinger missiles and money to Al Qaeda operatives in their home country, according to court documents unsealed Tuesday.

    Thirty-year-old Alwan and 23-year-old Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, who both have lived in Bowling Green since 2009, were charged in a 23-count indictment returned by a federal grand jury Thursday. Neither is charged with plotting attacks within the United States, and authorities say their weapons and money didn’t make it to Iraq because of a tightly controlled undercover investigation.

    Alwan is charged with conspiracy to kill a United States national, conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting to provide material support to terrorists. Hammadi is charged with attempting to provide material support to terrorists and knowingly transferring, possession or exporting a device designed or intended to launch or guide a rocket or missile.

    The FBI said Alwan told an informant that he took part in insurgent attacks on U.S. troops and had “f—ked up” Hummers and targeted Bradley fighting vehicles.

    The indictment and criminal complaints were unsealed Tuesday after the pair made their initial appearances in federal court in Louisville. Both men entered pleas of not guilty and were remanded to federal custody.

    Hammadi’s court-appointed attorney, James Earhart of Louisville, said he doesn’t know much about the case or his client beyond what is in the criminal complaint.

    “I haven’t had a chance to sit down and talk with him yet,” Earhart told The Associated Press on Tuesday afternoon.

    Federal Public Defender Scott Wendelsdorf, who represents Alwan, declined comment.

    The FBI said in criminal complaints that the probe started in September 2009, with a confidential source eventually meeting with Alwan in August 2010 and Hammadi in January.

    FBI Director Robert Mueller said in February that his agency was taking a fresh look at Iraqi nationals in the U.S. who had ties to al Qaeda’s offshoot in Iraq. The group had not previously been considered a threat in the U.S.

    Asked about the case, Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said Tuesday: “These are the only two persons that have been charged in this case. The investigation is continuing. If any of our investigations or intelligence suggests others pose a threat, we will actively pursue those investigative leads.”

    According to the criminal complaints, Alwan told the informant he was involved in insurgent attacks from 2003 until 2006, including using improvised explosive devices and sniper rifles to target U.S. troops. Alwan is accused of drawing diagrams of four types of IEDs for the informant.

    The FBI said it identified fingerprints belonging to Alwan on a component of an unexploded IED that was recovered by U.S. forces in Iraq.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/31/national/main20067603.shtml

  223. Tea Party Victory Against Illegals In Maryland

    Immigration enforcement is a winner even in Maryland.
    Posted by Daniel Horowitz (Profile)
    Wednesday, June 1st at 8:33AM EDT

    Liberal politicians incessantly demagogue the issue of illegal immigration by offering a false choice between amnesty and a police style roundup of 12 million aliens. Obama believes that without a pathway to citizenship, even a moat with alligators can’t preempt illegal immigration. They always forget the third option; enforcing the laws on the books and not offering them hospitality that isn’t afforded to legal Americans.

    Last month, Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley offered such a taxpayer funded courtesy by signing a bill granting in-state tuition benefits at state universities to illegal aliens residing in Maryland. Maryland taxpayers already spend $1.7 billion annually on illegal aliens, one of the highest per capita costs in the country. It is no wonder why Maryland has become a magnet for those whom O’Malley affectionately calls “new Americans.”

    While such cloddish policy decisions are par for the course in wacko Maryland, the Tea Party response was quite anomalous. Maryland is not known for its strong Tea Party presence. But against all odds, Maryland conservatives have successfully passed the first hurdle in securing a ballot referendum to strike down the tuition law.

    When conservative state delegates Neil Parrott and Pat McDonough announced their inchoate plans for a petition drive against the tuition bill, the opposition and the local media dismissed the effort as futile. After all, how could a few right wing delegates with no money or formal organization obtain the requisite 55,736 signatures (with properly spelled middle names) in the bluest of blue states? This attitude from liberals, and too many Republicans, is a quintessential example of the dissonance between the elites and ‘we the people’ regarding illegal immigration.

    According to Maryland law, we were required to obtain one third of the signatures, 18,579, by May 31, with the remaining signatures due by June 30. Delegate Neil Parrott worked indefatigably to establish an online petition drive at mdpetitions.com. Additionally, a small cadre of volunteers went door to door and picketed social events in an effort to obtain enough signatures. Moreover, they diligently sorted through all of the names to ensure that each signature would pass muster with the fastidious eyes of the board of elections and the dozens of lawyers from the criminal CASA de Maryland organization.

    Ultimately, an organic groundswell of grassroots support, in conjunction with the inexorable passion and dedication of the volunteers, made the petition drive a stunning success. Delegate Parrott reported yesterday that he received over 40,000 signatures, more than twice the threshold required for the first round. The opposition now realizes that we will easily have well over 56,000 signatures by the June 30th deadline, enough to compensate for the names that will be “litigated out” of the petition by the left-wing lawyers.

    The opposition is also keenly aware that once this bill is placed on the ballot in 2012, it will go down to a stunning defeat – in Maryland, of all places. It would be the first successful attempt to overturn a state law since 1974. Either way, if the requisite signatures are certified by July, the law will be suspended until the 2012 ballot referendum.

    A spokesman for CASA de Maryland, a group that has sought to intimidate petition organizers, conceded that the number of signatures is “very impressive” and underscores that they must “do a better job during the month of June explaining about the benefits” of the law. In other words, they will flood the airwaves with propaganda commercials, partially funded by Maryland taxpayers.

    The salient observation that was noted by the petition organizers was the fact that so many Democrats signed the petition, and even offered to circulate it in their communities. I bumped into many hard-core liberals who support every big government program imaginable, yet categorically rebuffed the whole concept of offering benefits to illegals. “What part of ‘illegal’ do the politicians not understand?” was a common refrain from numerous Democrat supporters. A Democrat state Senator from Baltimore County even volunteered to circulate the petition.

    Republicans must learn from the Maryland experience that illegal immigration is not a wedge issue for Republicans. Quite the contrary, it is a wedge issue that divides commonsense Democrats (to the extent that they exist) from the party elites. All too often, the supercilious wizards of smart in our own party lament how immigration is a losing issue for us. Well, according to Gallup, Maryland is the most Democrat state in the country, yet a pro-illegal bill is headed to defeat. No amount of spin can ameliorate the negative reaction that people intuitively garner towards lawbreakers.

    Last week, DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz denounced Republicans for believing illegal immigration “should in fact be a crime:”

    Congresswoman Schultz might want to take a short drive to Maryland and discover that it isn’t only Republicans who think illegal immigration is a crime; it is all (non-party hack) Americans.

  224. ABM90
    May 31st, 2011 at 7:46 pm
    While Hocus Potus plays with his marbles and our nation continues to sink deeper into debt and into hard times the real Potus is hard at work traveling the Globe and calling on world leaders.She is the best SoS this country has ever had.
    &&&&&&&&

    ABM90, “Hocus Potus”, good one.

    And thanks for keeping us apprised of Hillary’s doings.

    We should have some kind of Reporter’s Award (The Hilly’s?), and you’d take the Best Itenerary Coverage prize, hands down.

  225. Clinton to tour Africa to discuss trade, development

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will travel to Zambia, Tanzania and Ethiopia next month to discuss trade, development and other issues, a spokesman said Tuesday.

    Clinton, following a trip to the United Arab Emirates, will visit Zambia’s capital Lusaka on June 10 for the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) Ministerial Forum, Clinton’s deputy spokesman Mark Toner said.

    “She will showcase this centerpiece of our trade policy with Africa and engage with government, private sector and civil society representatives from 37 different countries,” Toner told reporters.

    A pact sealed in 2000, AGOA gives exports from the world’s poorest countries of the continent duty-free status on the US market.

    In Zambia, Clinton will also meet Zambian President Rupiah Banda, who is seeking re-election this year, and “participate in events to highlight US government initiatives to improve the lives of the Zambian people,” Toner said.

    Afterward, he said, Clinton will travel to Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, but gave no precise dates.

    The chief US diplomat will meet with Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete and Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi.

    “In Tanzania, she will highlight our successful bilateral engagement, including a host of programs, including Feed the Future,” Toner said.

    In Ethiopia, Clinton will “focus on regional issues,” visiting the African Union headquarters and meeting with AU Chairman Jean Ping in addition to holding bilateral meetings with Ethiopian officials.

    She will also meet with representatives of civil society — which usually includes human rights and other society activists — to “draw attention to their innovative and enterprising work,” Toner said.

    In August 2009, Clinton made a whirlwind seven-nation trip to Africa, taking in Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, Angola, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Liberia and Cape Verde.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hBJwco900WH-sw8Bl92OZ1crhmHQ?docId=CNG.836b5e3d9530f1a41a32f2a2dc8f9d11.c81

  226. Clinton to attend meeting on Libya in UAE

    WASHINGTON, May 31 (Xinhua) — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will go to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for a meeting of the Libya contact group next Monday, said the State Department on Tuesday.

    “This meeting will build on the last Contact Group meeting held in Rome and will allow the United States to discuss with its international partners the range of issues with respect to addressing the situation in Libya, including the ongoing implementation of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973,” said department spokesman Mark Toner in a statement.

    After the meeting, Clinton will also travel to Zambia, Tanzania and Ethiopia, according to the statement.

    While opening a consulate in the Libyan opposition base of Benghazi, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said on Tuesday that the unfreezing of the Libyan assets to the opposition will be discussed in UAE in early June.

    On March 13, diplomats met in Qatar’s capital Doha for the first round meeting of the Libya contact group.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-06/01/c_13904107.htm

  227. This David Brock clown of Media Matters I have pretty much managed to ignore because his personal testimonial of turning on a dime from a right wing screed to a left wing screed was simply uninteresting. But if one is inclined to speculate on the reasons for this seemingly abrupt transition, the answer becomes obvious.

    He would have us believe that the catalyst for this sea change in philosophy was a sudden realization that the case he and other right wing operatives launched against Bill and Hillary was a lie which he could no longer abide. Pangs of conscience, or so he claims. However, if you dig deeper an alternative explanation is suggested.

    According to his bio, Brock was born in Washington and his father was a passionate conservative. Thus it is no quantum leap that he would adopt such views, or make a living off them.

    Then a picture showed up with him in a body shirt with Congressman Barney Frank who ran a male prostitution ring out of his house. (Our own Ann Lewis is Barney’s sister). Probably Gay Blade or some other publication.

    If you compare the date of that revelation when he came out of the closet with the date he wrote Confessions of A Right Wing Conservative wherein he repudiated conservatism and joined the Soros funded organization Media Matters they appear to coincide. Thus, in his case that is the more likely explanation for his epiphany.

    That is not to suggest that being a homosexual has anything to do with repudiating conservative views. The existence of the Log Cabin Republican organization precludes that interpretation. Similarly, it does not mean ipso facto that coming out of the closet necessarily causes anyone to join the Soros organization. But in his case, it appears to me that there is a cause and effect relationship, more so than these sudden pangs of conscience which he alleges as the reason.

    I mention this only because David Brock is now a Soros operative, and we will hear a lot more from him as we enter high election season. Thus, it is important to understand the probable source of his motivations, and why his critique emanates more from personal factors and who is paying his salary than from solid objective analysis.

  228. A final point about Brock is that radicals can play either side of the fence, only not at the same time. This is why former Nazis in East Germany came to dominate the communist secret police after the war. It is why when I ran a workshop with a couple professors from MIT and Cornell, and did role reversal, radical shop stewards who in real life would say we cannot let the union get away with X when faced with the management side of the same equation would say we cannot let the union get away with that. With radicals values are not fixed, they are interchangeable and the real game is simply power. David Brock is another case in point. His judgement cannot be trusted.

  229. In an alternate reality, in 2008 after the Democratic National convention, where Democratic Nominee Clinton privately meets with defeated hopeful Obama, and offers him the position of Secretary of State…(smell the poppies):

    Sec. of State Obama to golf in UAE
    ================================

    WASHINGTON, May 31 (Xinhua) — U.S. Secretary of State Barack Obama will go to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and skip a meeting of the Libya contact group next Monday in favor of hitting their famous links, said the State Department on Tuesday.

    “This meeting will build on the last Contact Group meeting held in Rome and will allow the United States to discuss with its international partners the range of issues with respect to addressing the situation in Libya, including the ongoing implementation of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973. Since Obama has masterfully delegated the minutia, this will free up the SoS to exude his indirect influence by golfing with the influential power players of the Arab world, leaving the muckety-muck details to the underlings.” said department spokesman Mark Toner in a statement.

    After the meeting, Obama will also travel to golfing locations Zambia, Tanzania and Ethiopia, according to the statement.

  230. PUBLICITY STUNT BOY TO “PORTRAY POTUS” IN SHOWDOWN WITH “THE BAD GUYS”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/west-wing-briefing-obama-will-meet-with-house-republicans-on-deficit-debt-limit/2011/05/31/AGDPw7FH_blog.html

    Posted at 06:00 AM ET, 06/01/2011
    West Wing Briefing: Obama will meet with House Republicans on deficit, debt limit
    By Perry Bacon Jr.
    President Obama will meet with House Republicans Wednesday as the two sides remain divided on an agreement to increase the federal debt ceiling by the August deadline.

    While the White House and Republicans are expected to reach a deal later this summer both to raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit and cut federal spending, the session at the White House comes as some Republicans have argued that a temporary default on its debt by the U.S. government would not be a major problem. The Obama administration has said even a temporary default could be catastrophic.

    House Republicans Tuesday overwhelmingly voted down a largely symbolic proposal that would have raised the debt limit but did not include spending cuts, which the GOP has said must be included in a deficit agreement.

    The meeting on Wednesday is a rare direct intervention in the fiscal policy debate from Obama, who has set up a separate group headed by Vice President Biden to resolve the impasse between the two parties. The group has met four times over the last month.

    In separate meetings last month with Senate Republicans and Democrats, Obama urged both sides to avoid declaring ironclad public positions, arguing that would increase the partisan divide and make it harder to reach an agreement.

    But many Republicans, including Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) have pointedly said they will not back an increase in taxes as part of a deal on deficit reduction.

    Obama will meet with House Democrats on Thursday.

  231. GET RID OF IOWA / NH UNFAIR INFLUENCE

    Worthy article in NY Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/business/economy/01leonhardt.html?_r=1&ref=economy

    One Person, One Vote? Not Exactly
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    By DAVID LEONHARDT
    Published: May 31, 2011

    Two economists, Brian Knight and Nathan Schiff, set out a few years ago to determine how much Iowa, New Hampshire and other early-voting states affected presidential nominations.

    Mr. Knight and Mr. Schiff analyzed daily polls in other states before and after an early state had held a contest. The polls tended to change immediately after the contest, and the changes tended to last, which suggested that the early states were even more important than many people realized. The economists estimated that an Iowa or New Hampshire voter had the same impact as five Super Tuesday voters put together.

    This system, the two men drily noted in a Journal of Political Economy paper, “represents a deviation from the democratic ideal of ‘one person, one vote.’ ”

    A presidential campaign is once again upon us, and Iowa and New Hampshire are again at the center of it all. On Thursday, Mitt Romney will announce his candidacy in Stratham, N.H. Last week, Tim Pawlenty opened his campaign in Des Moines. The two states have dominated the nominating process for so long that it’s easy to think of their role as natural.

    But it is not natural. It’s undemocratic, in fact. It is unfair to voters in the other 48 states. And it distorts economic policy in several damaging ways.

    Most obviously, the federal government has lavished subsidies on ethanol, even though those subsidies drive up food prices and do little to solve the climate problem, partly because candidates pander to the Iowa corn industry. (Mr. Pawlenty, who now says the subsidies must end, is an admirable exception.) Beyond ethanol, a recent peer-reviewed study found that early-voting states received more federal dollars after a competitive election — so long as they supported the winning candidate.

    Pork is hardly the only problem with the voting calendar. In the long run-up to the first votes, Iowa and New Hampshire also distort the national conversation because they are so unrepresentative. They are not better or worse than other states, to be clear. But they are different.

    Their populations are growing more slowly than the rest of the country’s. Residents of Iowa and New Hampshire are more likely to have health insurance. They are older than average. They are more likely to work in manufacturing.

    Above all, Iowa and New Hampshire lack a single big city, at a time when large metropolitan areas are crucial to lifting economic growth. Big metro areas are where big ideas most often take shape and great new companies are most often born. The country’s 25 largest areas are responsible for 52 percent of the country’s economic output, according to the Brookings Institution, and are home to 42 percent of the population.

    Yet metro areas are also struggling with major problems. The quality of schools is spotty. Commutes last longer than ever. Roads, bridges, tunnels and transit systems are aging.

    You don’t hear much about these issues in the first year of a presidential campaign, though. No wonder. Iowa, New Hampshire and the next two states to vote, Nevada and South Carolina, do not have a single city among the country’s 25 largest. Las Vegas, the 30th-largest metro area, and the Boston suburbs that stretch into New Hampshire are the closest these states come.

    So the presidential calendar becomes another cause of what Edward Glaeser, a conservative-leaning Harvard economist, calls our “anti-urban policy bias.” Suburbs and rural areas receive vastly more per-person federal largess than cities. One big reason, of course, is the structure of the Senate: the 12 million residents of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina have eight United States senators among them, while the 81 million residents of California, New York and Texas have only six.

    Bruce Katz, a Brookings vice president and veteran of Democratic administrations, points out that the world’s other economic powers take their cities more seriously. China, in particular, has made urban planning a central part of its economic strategy.

    “The United States stands apart as an anti-urban nation in an urbanizing world,” Mr. Katz told me. “Our political tilt toward small states and small towns, in presidential campaigns and the governing that follows, is not only a quaint relic of an earlier era but a dangerous distraction at a time when national prosperity depends on urban prosperity.”

    The typical defense from Iowa and New Hampshire is that they care more about politics than the rest of us and therefore do a better job vetting candidates. But the intense 2008 race between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton showed that if Iowa and New Hampshire care more, it’s only because of their privileged status. In 2008, turnout soared in states that finally had a primary that mattered, be it Indiana or Texas, North Carolina or Rhode Island.

    A more democratic system would allow more voters to see the candidates up close for months at a time. The early states could rotate each year, so that all kinds — big states and small, younger and older, rural and urban — had a turn. In 2016, the first wave could include states that have voted near the end recently, like Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon and South Dakota.

    A rotation along these lines would enliven the political debate. Investments in science and education, which are the lifeblood of future economic growth, might play a bigger role in the campaign. You could even imagine — optimistically, I know — that the deficit might prove easier to address if Medicare and Social Security recipients did not make up such a disproportionate share of early voters.

    The issues particular to small-town America would still receive extra attention because so many of the 50 states are rural and sparsely populated. It’s just that Iowa and New Hampshire would no longer receive the extreme special treatment they now do.

    And that special treatment is a nice thing, indeed. It focuses the entire country, and its next leader, on the concerns of only 1 percent of the population, as if democracy were supposed to work that way.

    At a recent candidates’ forum in Des Moines, The Wall Street Journal reported, the moderator did something that seemed perfectly normal: She chided Mr. Romney for not having spent enough time in Iowa lately. “Where have you been?” she asked.

    How do you think the rest of us feel?

  232. June 1, 2011

    Jewish Republican Group Makes Robocalls Against Obama

    By Laura Meckler

    A Jewish Republican group has moved fast to take advantage of concerns in the Jewish community about President Barack Obama’s Israel policy, with robocalls to Jews that accuse the president of promoting “physically indefensible” borders that would leave Israel is a “vulnerable and dangerous position.”

    The Republican Jewish Coalition, which seeks to increase Jewish support for Republican candidates, said it made some 20,000 calls in an effort to recruit new supporters. The group also held a telephonic town hall featuring Ari Fleischer, a press secretary for President George W. Bush, who was highly critical of Mr. Obama’s policy. Several thousand people participated, the group said.

    On the call, Mr. Fleischer said that Mr. Obama’s policy “abandons morality” because it puts Israel, a democratic nation, and the Palestinians, whose government includes “terrorists,” on equal moral footing. He also said: “President Obama’s statement that the United States’ commitment to Israel is unbreakable is only true until it breaks.” But he declined to call Mr. Obama “anti-Israel.”

    Mr. Obama won 78% of the Jewish vote in 2008, according to exit polls, and many Jews contributed to his campaign. But his re-election campaign is concerned that those numbers could slip.

    Pre-existing concerns with Mr. Obama were exacerbated when he proposed on May 19 that negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians be based on the pre-1967 borders, with land swaps. In saying that, the president was speaking aloud what had long been U.S. policy and what has long been assumed to be the basis for any talks. But the comments aggravated Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and many pro-Israel Jews because they assumed Israeli give-backs ahead of any talks. Mr. Obama assuaged some but not all Jews with a follow-up speech a few days later clarifying his position.

    But Democratic and Republican activists clashed in a bipartisan meeting with Mr. Netanyahu about the role of Israel in partisan politics. In the session, Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman, challenged the RJC to refrain from politicizing questions about Israel and present a united pro-Israel front. “We need to make sure that Israel never becomes a partisan issue,” she said in that session. “Unfortunately, I think there are organizations that claim to be pro-Israel that are partisan first and pro-Israel second.”

    Matt Brooks, the executive director of the Republican coalition, replied that Mr. Obama’s Israel policy is fair game.

    The phone calls by the Republican Jewish Coalition were meant to identify supporters, Mr. Brooks said in an interview, though they deliver a strong message as well. The script reads: “We’re contacting you right now to inform you about an ongoing emergency situation affecting Israel’s safety. In a significant shift in U.S. policy, President Obama recently called for a negotiated solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to be based on the 1967 borders as a starting point. Those borders are physically indefensible. Asking Israel to return to those borders is unacceptable and places Israel in a vulnerable and dangerous position.”

    The caller than asks if the recipient will answer three questions on the subject by pushing buttons on the phone. The questions all assume that Mr. Obama’s policy is anti-Israel.

    They are:

    –“Do you agree with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the creation of a Palestinian state must not come at Israel’s expense?”

    -“Do you agree that the Obama administration’s current approach has not been helpful for Israel?”

    -“Do you agree that President Obama should retract his statements, and support secure and defensible borders for Israel?”

    At least one of these calls went to a Democrat, Cynthia Friedman of Palm Beach, Fla. Ms. Friedman, a Democratic fund-raiser and Obama supporter, was offended. “It’s a distortion of the facts,” she said. She said she is concerned that misinformation will lead Jews to drop support for Mr. Obama, and believes the calls were meant to spread misinformation.

    “I do worry. I know enough about perception and how a sound bite carries through,” she said.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/06/01/jewish-republican-group-makes-robocalls-against-obama/

  233. but nomobama put it so well the other day referring to the ‘anklebiter’ when he said… “all she does is argue and preach” then he said: “when you need someone to argue with, look in the mirror and argue with yourself.”
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    Sorry, but that wasn’t me. I believe that was lorac, but don’t quote me on it.

  234. Poll: Social Media Sides With IsraelSurvey says Tweeters critical of Obama’s ‘1967 lines’

    June 1, 2011

    There is welcome news from the folks at the Pew Research Center.

    According to a poll conducted in the days following President Obama’s surprise announcement that Israel should begin peace negotiations as if the 1948-9 war never happened, people who use Twitter and Facebook overwhelmingingly supported the Jewish state.

    By a 3-to-1 margin, bloggers and users of Twitter and Facebook expressed strong support for Israel over the Palestinians in the week following Obama’s May 19 address.

    In the seven days following Obama’s speech, fully 55% of the conversation on blogs on the issue has been in favor of Israel and opposed to a move to the 1967 borders, while 19% has been in favor of the Palestinians and the creation of an independent state.

    About a quarter, 27%, was neutral. On Twitter and Facebook, the tone of conversation was similar with 60% pro-Israel compared to 20% pro-Palestinian and 20% neutral.

    In other words, the American people stand with Israel and understand that President Obama’s surprise annoucement on the ‘1967 lines’ was hostile to Israel. Perhaps the Obama administration will think twice before it tries to corner Israel again.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/blog-side-with-israel.php

  235. Round 4 or is it 5?
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    Donald Trump: Sarah Palin would ‘love to get me back’ in presidential race.

    Well, you knew, you just knew, that something otherworldly was going to be produced from Tuesday night’s Times Square pizza summit between Sarah Palin and Donald Trump. And this morning, Trump came clean. He said Palin wants him to run for president.

    Appearing on “Fox & Friends” Wednesday, Trump said Palin “would love to get me back.”

    Palin and her family took a break from their bus tour of America’s historical sites to share some slices with the Donald on his home turf because, according to the Daily Beast, when you go to New York, “you want to say hi to Donald Trump,” Palin said.

    Wednesday morning, Trump said “hi” back. As in “Hi, America. Did you miss me?” (We did.) And yes, a presidential run is very much on the table. Thanks for asking.

    “I had great poll numbers, but I had really a decision to make,” Trump said. “I had NBC calling me every hour…it’s a very tough decision to make to be honest. If I’m not happy with what I see, I can very easily change my mind. I’m not happy with what I see, and I will make a determination sometime into the future, absolutely. There is no deadline. If I did it as an independent, I could do it very much better.”

    Trump had to put a kibosh on his presidential plans when NBC forced him to choose between a campaign and continuing with his hit show “Celebrity Apprentice.”*

    Trump offered no insight into what Palin might be thinking about her own future plans as she forces the national press to tail her every move up the Eastern Seaboard in a brightly painted tour bus. Wednesday, among other sites, she is reportedly dragging reporters to the Statue of Liberty.

    “She said that she loves this country; she wants to point out some of the great things in the country,” he said. “I asked her frankly `Are you going to be running?’ I’m not sure that she knows herself. I am not sure she has made up her mind.”

    Trump said the decision to leave the confines of stately Trump Tower in Midtown to head out to tourist-packed Times Square was a spontaneous one (one that produced a full-scale, reality show-style media frenzy, naturally).

    “This was something very spur of the moment,” he said. “We were sitting in Trump Tower talking. We had our families there, and we said lets all go out for a piece of pizza. It didn’t take long for the press to figure that out. I guess they followed us or whatever.”

    In response to a question, he said they did not discuss “teaming up.”

    Trump also had some choice words for the Republican Party, whose voters he had been courting just weeks ago.

    “I am looking at the Republicans and I am seeing things – they have a death wish,” Trump said. “Whether it’s the Ryan Plan – which is a death wish…why does he have to come out with a plan. He is a nice guy and all that stuff but that’s irrelevant. The fact is whether you agree with the plan or not, his timing was horrendous. You don’t come out with a plan, have all your friends vote on it and now half of those guys are going to lose their elections.”

    LA Times

  236. rgb44hrc
    June 1st, 2011 at 11:47 am
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    Interesting to read something in which I commented on either yesterday or the day before. I agree with the sentiments, but I would also hate to see the big states squash any input from the small states. If there is some type of rotation, it has to be done in a thoughtful way.

  237. “I don’t expect her to get roped into the political consultant thing. She has campaigned against what she called career politicians and once when asked about that bald headed consultant of McCain’s, she grinned and said that if she every needed another bald headed consultant it would probably be James Carville.”

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    Wow- thanks nomo- so the “plausibility” factor is alive and well in the Palin Camp.

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    So a joke by Sarah (hint “she grinned and said”) makes it plausible that Carville would TAKE the job? What’s alive and well in the Palin camp is sense of humor. 😉

  238. votermom
    June 1st, 2011 at 11:53 am
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    I think this is an excellent way to frame the immigration debate.

    When asked if she’d support the Dream Act which was introduced in 2001 to provide legal residency and eventually U.S. citizenship for illegal immigrants brought to the country when they were 15 years old or younger, Palin said it wasn’t in keeping with immigration history.

    “Immigrants built this country and we want to highlight that on this bus tour. They had to literally and figuratively stand in line… the Dream Act usurps that… it doesn’t accomplish that,” answered Palin.

  239. More of the above story from the Daily Beast…

    [snip] As the unlikely duo departed Trump Tower for dinner, Trump said he would “love for her (Sarah) to run.” When asked if he would back her, he said, “She didn’t ask me, but I will tell you she’s a great woman, a terrific woman, and a good friend.” Palin added, “We both agree that competition is good and more folks in that primary is better.”

    [snip]

    Sarah Palin and Donald Trump’s Pizza Summit

    by Shushannah Walshe
    Shushannah Walshe

    Email

    The presidential flirts met in Times Square for a family dinner under a phalanx of cellphone cameras, as Palin’s bus tour hit New York. Shushannah Walshe reports on the nascent 2012 campaign’s most surreal moment yet.

    Sarah Palin and Donald Trump, two of the country’s most famous reality-TV stars and presidential flirts, shared a pepperoni pie in Times Square Tuesday evening. It was a family dinner and a made-for-media spectacle that had New Yorkers gawking, in a city that doesn’t gawk at much.

    Day 3 of the former Alaska governor’s bus tour went from the sublime to the ridiculous—from the Civil War battlefields of Gettysburg to Trump Tower. And, even weirder, to Famous Famiglia Pizza, far from New York City’s most acclaimed pizza joint, but one that did feature prominently in this season’s premiere of Trump’s Celebrity Apprentice.

    Palin has said her family vacation/testing the waters tour is about getting in touch with American history with stops at such historic sites as the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, which she visited earlier Tuesday. But at each stop, she’s been mobbed by both tourists and press. Not that she needed the extra attention, but dining at one of the busiest restaurants in Times Square was a good way to make sure she’d get noticed in New York. She’s consistently told the press and supporters following her on her One Nation bus tour that she is considering getting into the race. Still, Tuesday night’s dinner with Trump offers some fodder to detractors who say she’s just grabbing the spotlight to burnish her celebrity brand.

    As the unlikely duo departed Trump Tower for dinner, Trump said he would “love for her to run.” When asked if he would back her, he said, “She didn’t ask me, but I will tell you she’s a great woman, a terrific woman, and a good friend.” Palin added, “We both agree that competition is good and more folks in that primary is better.”

    Trump, in a blue suit, and Palin, in the same short-sleeved pink jacket she wore Tuesday morning at Gettysburg, both ate their pizza with a fork. They were joined by Palin’s parents, Chuck and Sally Heath, and Palin’s youngest daughter, Piper. Trump’s wife, Melania, was with them, wearing a white dress and diamonds.

    Palin asked for the meeting with the real-estate mogul, she said, because “any time you’re in New York, you want to say hi to Donald Trump.”

    Article – Walshe Palin Trump Sarah Palin and Donald Trump dined in New York today. Credit: Andrew Burton / Getty Images

    Palin, who seemed comfortable at dinner with the Trumps, said the two share “a love for this country.”

    Outside Trump Tower, Palin sounded a lot like a candidate, saying both she and Trump have “a desire to see our economy get put back on the right track, making sure that we have a balanced trade arrangement with other countries across this world so that Americans can have our jobs, our industries, our manufacturing again. That’s what built this country. It was manufacturing and exploiting responsibly our natural resources. We can do that again if we make sensible decisions.”

    [snip]

    Palin asked for the meeting with the real-estate mogul, she said, because “any time you’re in New York, you want to say hi to Donald Trump.”

    Earlier this spring, when Trump floated his presidential trial balloon, Palin had endeared herself to him when she said she supported Trump “getting to the bottom” of President Obama’s birth certificate. The president later released the long version of his Hawaii birth certificate.

    As she left the restaurant, Palin was asked whether she believes Obama is beatable. “Definitely, I do,” she said.

  240. A lot of legal immigrants do think illegal immigration hurts the immigrant population over all. That’s not to say that they don’t want the immigration process streamlined and with less red tape.

  241. Sorry, but that wasn’t me. I believe that was lorac, but don’t quote me on it.

    =================

    It was “Tony Stark”.

    Poor lorac. 🙂 First she’s accused by Mrs. S of insulting Wbboei (a really ‘old wound’), now by you of insulting me.

  242. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    ===============================

    I know that you are getting a drubbing here lately, and I have to admit that there are times when you have irritated me, especially when it comes to Islam, but I also know that some of your comments get the conversation rolling, while many get people to think about things in ways other than they have in the past. I appreciate the different viewpoints expressed on this site. There is no “one size fits all” approach. I suspect that you and I are very different when it comes to political beliefs, but I do see some commonality between us on some issues. I also see commonalities between myself and Mrs. Smith, and Shadowfax, and the others that write here. I guess I just wish people would accept the differences, and debate them without attacking. I know it’s difficult to do as I have my issues with that at times, too. When I read comments that I don’t agree with, I have the choice to ignore them or respond to them. I also have the choice of how I choose to respond to them. I will not purposely get personal, but if I do, or if I have done so, it is/was for a lack of better judgment. There’s a fine line here. I may think that a written comment is “stupid” at the time I’ve read it, but that doesn’t mean that I think the writer of the comment is “stupid”, too. This way of thinking can prevent one from going personal. I want everyone here to be as nice or at least as respectful to each other as possible. I prefer it that way as it makes me want to visit here.

    One other thought, as I wrote yesterday, I am not into group think/thought. I am also not a liberal Democrat. I suspect that many of my comments don’t sit well with people who describe themselves as progressive or liberal. Personally, I don’t care. We are all different, with different beliefs which sometimes match, and sometimes don’t match. Yet, we all just might have the common goal of seeing the usurper in office defeated in 2012. This desire makes us united more than anything that could ever divide us.

  243. “Immigrants built this country and we want to highlight that on this bus tour. They had to literally and figuratively stand in line… the Dream Act usurps that… it doesn’t accomplish that,” answered Palin.

    =====================

    Currently, there is no line they can stand in. Someone brought here illegally as a child, isn’t elegible for any of the current paths to legal status.

    I’m not saying Sarah is wrong; someone may have quoted her wrongly or misleadingly.

  244. Shadowfax
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    +++++++++++++++
    The obots are really out in full force on all the comments on SP articles, aren’t they?

  245. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    ===============================

    Yikes! That’s why I wrote “don’t quote me”! 🙂
    Sorry lorac! Faulty memory on my part, but this only shows that the back and forth at that time just didn’t make much of an impression on me as I didn’t care to memorize who the participants were.

  246. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    ================================

    I am not very empathetic to anchor babies. It’s known that some illegal aliens will cross the border illegally just before they give birth in order to have their children here in the US, and thus be US citizens. In this situation, I am very unsympathetic. In cases where an illegal got pregnant after coming to the US, then that’s a little different, especially if the child as grown up here. Yet, I am still not convinced that these parents should be allowed to stay here. I understand that would mean that more than likely, the children would have to leave to, but blame that on the parents, not on the US.

  247. votermom
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Shadowfax
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    +++++++++++++++
    The obots are really out in full force on all the comments on SP articles, aren’t they?
    ——-
    Ayup, sometimes you have to pick though the trash to get the morsels of data. 😉

  248. nobama,

    The Dream Act is not about babies born here. It’s about people who were BROUGHT here illegally as children.

    (Sympathies. I don’t usually pay much attention to who said what, unless someone has made a personal issue.)

  249. Well, if Drudge’s huge headline doesn’t scare the bejesus out of ya, nothing will….

    ‘WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF A GREAT, GREAT DEPRESSION’

  250. At FoxNews, DJIA currently down about 192 and House Republicans gave President Obama an earful on their concerns regarding unemployment, the national debt and government regulation during a meeting Wednesday morning following a decisive vote against raising the debt ceiling….

  251. holdthemaccountable

    Good, glad Barry was given an earful and also SOME of the Dems are starting to wake up and vote against his having a blank check.

  252. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:50 pm
    ===============================

    I remember, although I don’t know much of the details or stipulations for citizenship. I now realize that I read Sarah’s comment incorrectly. She mentioned the Dream Act, and I blew right over that, and thought of illegal immigration in general, not illegal immigration with regards to the children of illegal immigrants who may or may not have been born here. I know it’s not the childrens fault that they are here, but yet again, my initial impulse is to say that it’s not the US’s fault for their situation, but their parent’s fault. In some respects, I guess, it just might be the US’s fault, but only because the government seemingly has not taken illegal immigration seriously for too many years.

  253. http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/06/01/sarah_palin_emails_alaska_to_release_24_000_pages_of_palin_s_ema.html?from=rss/&wpisrc=newsletter_slatest

    Alaska Prepares to Release Palin Emails

    Reporters staking out Sarah Palin’s “One Nation” bus may soon have some reading material to help them kill some time.

    Alaska state officials are preparing to release more than 24,000 pages of Palin’s emails from her time as governor, the Anchorage Daily News reports.

    But officials say they are withholding 2,415 pages that are privileged, personal or otherwise exempt from the state’s disclosure laws. As the Daily News notes, it also “remains to be seen how many of the released emails are going to be at least partially blacked out.”

    A host of media organizations requested the records during the 2008 presidential campaign, when Palin was named as a the Republican VP nominee. But at the time state officials said they weren’t prepared to handle the requests for a number of reasons, including an antiquated electronic database system and the fact that Palin commonly used a personal Yahoo account to conduct official state business.

    State officials say that they have now finally finished sifting through the email accounts of more than 50 state employees to round up those emails Palin sent or received from her Yahoo account. The records are now on their way to a commercial printer, and are expected to be shipped to media outlets in the coming days.

    Among the news organizations that requested the emails: the Anchorage Daily News, Associated Press, MSNBC, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, and CNN.

    Those outlets will need to pay $725.97 in copying fees, and likely hundreds of dollars more in shipping costs. All told, the records are expected to fill five boxes weighing 55 pounds each.

    …………………………………….

    So when we gonna get Obama to release anything pertaining to him.

    They just dont let up, do they.

  254. I heard Sarah Palin’s interview with Greta last night and she very frankly and openly expresses her views on issues. You don’t have to agree with her stand on each issue (I don’t) but you have to be deaf not to see that she is quick, articulate and smart. I find her refreshing compared to most politicians. Her so-called put down of Hillary Clinton (quoted above) was merely her expressing her conservative view of life during a time when she was establishing her bona fides as a conservative vp candidate. The fact that she chose to make that point for political reasons was silly but probably required by her handlers. Hopefully, she’s learned not to be manuevered into a catfight position like that now.

  255. #FoxNews reporting that shirtless Chris Lee story garnered ~3x the coverage of #weinergate.

    Luke Russert asks Weiner if the pics were of him: “I can’t say with certitude,” he answers. (so in others words, yes)

  256. moononpluto
    June 1st, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Alaska Prepares to Release Palin Emails
    ———-
    How the heck is this legal?

    If a hacker (cracker is the proper word by Geeks) breaks into someone’s emails it’s a crime. To bring them forth and sell them to the Obama Media is legal?

    If it’s legal, some smart greeks need to break into Ubama’s records and spread them to the public.

  257. Video-Weiner: “I Can’t Say With Certitude” That Picture Isn’t Of Me

    http://bit.ly/kYMuYQ

    Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) talks to NBC News about the lewd picture scandal.

    NBC’s LUKE RUSSERT: “That’s not a picture of you?”

    REP. ANTHONY WEINER: “You know, I can’t say with certitude. My system was hacked. Pictures can be manipulated, pictures can be dropped in and inserted.”

    …………………….

    He’s so screwed.

  258. Well one should ask, Mr Weiner have you taken a picture of yourself erect in your underwear, its a pretty simple question, and if answering that he’s not certain, then obviously he has……….

  259. BCL,

    I agree about Sarah. She’s smart enough to run circles around her opponents, so they get confused.

    As for her comments that mentioned Hillary in the book, I don’t think that passage was aimed particularly at Hillary. It was about women and careers in general. She illustrated an attitude with some quotes from Hillary, which seemed reasonable: you’d use familar quotes from a famous person.

    Whether she was quoting HIllary fairly, I wouldn’t know without hunting up Hillary’s full context. A lot of HIllary’s advocacy for women and girls, seems to be promoting safe cooking stoves etc.

  260. Thanks for the interesting posts Janh…unfortunately even after Obama’s hateful speech against Israel and his visible contempt when Bibi set him straight, a majority of Jewish leaders either supported his speech or remained silent. Moreover, the liberal Jews have made it abundanlty clear that the democratic party is more important to them than Israel.

  261. Why so quick to condemn a friend of the Clintons? A Hillary aide married Weiner; Bill Clinton officiated at their wedding. That’s plenty of motive for a Clinton Derangement attack. As a Dem Congressman, Weiner has enemies of his own, too.

    REP. ANTHONY WEINER: “You know, I can’t say with certitude. My system was hacked. Pictures can be [….]”

    Manipulated means Photoshopped. Someone might have started with a real picture of Weiner and PHotoshpped the, er, controversial part into it.

  262. Sorry, I meant to quote this:

    REP. ANTHONY WEINER: “You know, I can’t say with certitude. My system was hacked. Pictures can be manipulated, pictures can be dropped in and inserted.”

  263. Surely Weiner must recognize his own weiner and underwear by now. Although Weiner may be a friend of the Clintons, it doesn’t excuse his actions. Hey, if you want to pose in your underwear with a flagpole or a pencil, whatever have you, and you want to do it for your significant other, than more power to you. If you are a Congressman, and you send it to someone who is not that significant other, then you should rightfully be held to a higher standard (and you should know better not to do it in the first place). If a Republican was held to that higher standard, and he didn’t show his private parts, then the Democrat should be held to the same standard, Clinton friend or not.

  264. As for the pictures being “manipulated”, yeah sure. In other words, he has made pictures of himself in his underwear already, and somehow someone else got a hold of them, and then somehow manipulated that boner into his underwear, and then sent it to some unsuspecting female on her Facebook account. Oh yeah, that’s a lot like Bill Clinton saying “I did not have sex with that woman”. Laughable.

  265. Weiner will not flat out deny it because he knows it is a picture of him, and more than likely, if things got real hot, it can be proven that he even sent the picture. He would then be shown to be a liar. The way he is handling now prevents him from being labeled the perverted liar.

  266. The way he is handling now prevents him from being labeled the perverted liar.
    Yeah, right now he can just be labelled dumb perv, which is so much better.
    LOL.

  267. My goodness. Why be so sure he even did any of what he is accused of?

    Someone might have got a picture of him in a bathing suit (in, er, normal pose) and Photoshopped in some (er, not normal pose) underwear from some picture of some other man.

    Probably the same people who forged Obama’s bc. 😉

  268. right now he can just be labelled dumb perv

    ==============

    If he were such a dumb person, why would Hillary’s aide marry him and Bill preside at the wedding?

    If he’s dumb enough to do any of what he’s accused of, he would have been doing dumb things all along, and the aide and the Clintons would have stayed away from him.

  269. Downbeat Economic Data Ignite Broad Selloff
    Disappointing private employment data shook traders’ confidence in the the economic recovery, pushing the Dow down by more than 230 points.
    As of 2:47 p.m. ET, the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 244 points, or 1.9%, to 12,326, the S&P 500 fell 26.3 points, or 2%, to 1,319 and the Nasdaq Composite slumped 54.6 points, or 1.9%, to 2,781. The FOX 50 was off 16.3 points, or 1.7%, to 922.
    In a sign of the volatility on Wall Street Wednesday, the VIX, often seen as a gauge of fear, soared 12% in mid-day trading.
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/06/01/stock-futures-point-lower-following-rally/?test=latestnews

  270. Well, Joe Cannon has been making a case for a Dan Wolfe to have done this to Anthony Weiner. It is complicated and I don’t begin to understand his whole case but he lays out how he thinks it was done without hacking Weiner’s account. If you are interested, go to his site and read what he has been saying for the last several days:
    http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/

    I take it from Weiner’s weird answers on this, that the picture is his but he is claiming not to have sent it to the girl. Don’t know, don’t care.

  271. He’s a dumb perv for thinking with his weiner. Bill went through a dumb period too with Monica; but at least she admits to coming on to him. Weiner was basically hitting on coeds via twitter – harassment, in other words.
    I don’t know what it is about power that encourages men to behave like weinerbrains, but I will call them out on it regardless of how “nice” they might otherwise be.
    It’s his wife I feel bad for.

  272. Hey, I just checked my horoscope for June and found this paragraph talking about an eclipse on July 1st:

    ‘Now let’s look at the last eclipse, July 1, which will be a whopper of an eclipse. It will fall on a new moon, making it a solar eclipse, so it will open a completely new path from the moment it arrives. On the world stage, an important male leader may disappear or step down, as this will be a powerhouse eclipse. This eclipse will form a cardinal cross with Pluto, Saturn, Uranus, and the Sun, and there will be six harsh squares. When you get something this powerful, the center will not hold – everything changes.’

    Fingers crossed.

  273. Mrs. Smith
    May 31st, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    and if the trio want to continue to be school yard bullies and attack me because I have an opinion and speak my mind… bring it. Let’s see who’s hiding behind who-

    ———-

    Hmm, one fight is barely over, and you’re already blustering about, looking to start another one, Mrs. Smith?

    Is this what you had in mind Jan, when you said “I too hope that we can all get back to what is important, being friends and promoting healthy discussion?”

  274. BCL,

    Thanks for pointing to very good info at the Joe Cannon site.

    http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
    Wednesday, June 01, 2011
    CASE CLOSED! CONGRESSMAN WEINER WAS FRAMED! (An important update to “The Weiner affair

    According to the comments, there’s a hole in Twitter or Yfrog or both that makes it easy for anyone to pull this sort of prank, no ‘hacking’ required. Someone in comments made the same experiment on other accounts and it worked. (See davidgs : 12:05 PM ) Another commentor related a similar prank.

  275. tim
    May 31st, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    I suspect there will be more and more occasions where Hillary will be directly addressed, sometimes in a negative way, not personal, but negative as the current SOS, as she is part of the Waffles admin, its just me, but I don’t see this as an attack on Hillary herself, she is part of the Waffles admin, so I suspect there will be more of this type thing. Its just my humble opinion, but I won’t take this as a personal attack on Hillary, if that line is crossed, well then that’s another story.

    _______

    I’m fine with civil disagreements over policy, but this was not a policy debate Tim, or, as you state “negative as the current SOS.” Palin’s remarks in her books had nothing to do with Hillary being SOS; instead she went back nearly 20 years and said basically that “Hillary is a bra-burning militant who hates motherhood.”

    IMO that is pointless posturing, and totally not related to anything having to do with the Waffles Administration.

    Look, I get it, people like Sarah Palin. That’s totally fine. There’s no reason really to create goalposts (which have and will continue to move) “but if she attacks Hillary…” It serves no purpose if Palin can say things to Hillary and people can still gloss over it. If you support Palin, there’s no need to feel bad about what she about Hillary. If you support Palin, be happy about it.

  276. BigCatLover
    June 1st, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Hey, I just checked my horoscope for June and found this paragraph talking about an eclipse on July 1st:
    ________

    Is that Susan Miller’s AstrologyZone dot com? Love that site, and since today is the first of the month, she will have a new article for her readers.

  277. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    ============================

    According to the picture that I say that the admin linked to on this blog, there wasn’t much of a picture to begin with. I saw a pair of gray underwear and the outline of some guy’s penis. If I had a pair of underwear like that, I would recognize them because I wear them all of the time. I would also remember if I had taken provocative pictures of myself, or if I had someone else do the pictures for me. To me, this means that Weiner did indeed have this picture taken of himself. If he sent it out to someone else, I can’t be 100% certain, but I believe that it is his picture. I would find it rather strange that someone else could have obtained this picture. I do not doubt that someone could have hacked someone else’s account, but to have the picture and hack the account at the same time seems very unlikely to me.

  278. When I wrote that I found it unlikely that someone else could have obtained this picture, I meant in an unauthorized manner.

  279. I am ok with what SP said about Hillary, mainly because I realize that when Hillary said that about cookies she was responding to handlers & msm who were attacking her for not conforming to the Stepford FLOTUS role (like MO is) but it did come across to a lot of stay-at-home moms as derogatory. I have been on both side of the Work Outside Home and Stay At Home divide, and frankly, both roles are stressful and lack support for women.
    I don’t think Hillary meant it to be derogatory and I don’t think she would say it that way today, but I can remember how harassed they were when they started in the WH and I won’t blame her for or second-guess her.

  280. votermom
    June 1st, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I am ok with what SP said about Hillary, mainly because I realize that when Hillary said that about cookies she was responding to handlers & msm who were attacking her for not conforming to the Stepford FLOTUS role

    ____

    Well, actually, the reason Hillary said this is because Democrat Jerry Brown was attacking Bill Clinton in a 1992 Presidential primary debate about Hillary’s work as an attorney. Attacks on Hillary not being a Stepford wife came (and I guess, still do) from Republicans.

  281. Fifth Dimension
    June 1st, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    thanks, I didn’t know that. Hillary sure got it from all sides.

  282. According to the picture that I say that the admin linked to on this blog, there wasn’t much of a picture to begin with. I saw a pair of gray underwear and the outline of some guy’s penis.

    ===================

    Sorry I don’t have time to go and look this up. Did the photo show,like, a face or anthing to show it even was Weiner?

  283. from Ace….WHERE’S THE “UNEXPECTED”
    ***

    Oh, God: “Horror” As US Economic Data Falls Off Cliff
    Talk about tunnel vision.

    I didn’t hear about this.

    The last month has been a horror show for the U.S. economy, with economic data falling off a cliff, according to Mike Riddell, a fund manager at M&G Investments in London.
    “It seems that almost every bit of data about the health of the US economy has disappointed expectations recently,” said Riddell, in a note sent to CNBC on Wednesday.

    “US house prices have fallen by more than 5 percent year on year, pending home sales have collapsed and existing home sales disappointed, the trend of improving jobless claims has arrested, first quarter GDP wasn’t revised upwards by the 0.4 percent forecast, durables goods orders shrank, manufacturing surveys from Philadelphia Fed, Richmond Fed and Chicago Fed were all very disappointing.”

    “And that’s just in the last week and a bit,” said Riddell.

    Pointing to the dramatic turnaround in the Citigroup “Economic Surprise Index” for the United States, Riddell said the tumble in a matter of months to negative from positive is almost as bad as the situation before the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

  284. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    ==============================

    No, it was just a crotch shot. It could have been caucasian guy’s crotch, so why is it so difficult for Weiner to say “I have never had a photo like that taken of me… ever!” By answering in the manner that he has, he makes himself look suspect. Maybe it’s not him, but one would think a forceful denial would have come from him, no?

  285. Sarah Palin’s comment was harmless concerning Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s original comment way back when about “standing by her man” could easily have been seen as a smack to any female who played either a subservient role to her husband, or who decided that a stay-at-home mom or wife was her preferance. Did I think it such a big deal back then? Not much, but I had an understanding at the time of why it might bother other people. I know that Hillary learned something from the response at the time to her answer. I guarantee you that if she had been asked the same type of question today, she would have answered it better so as to not to give anyone the chance of misrepresenting the meaning of her words.

  286. We are Under a Tornado Watch:

    A tornado has hit Sprinfield, MA- Lots of damage to downtown. Power outages to at least 30,000 people in Springfield and surrounding areas. Storm headed to the Berkshires towards Palmer, MA- right down the MA Pike headed towards Bellingham and Wrentham,MA.

    We are on the Wrentham, MA – RI line. Heavy hail reported size of golfballs ahead of the storm. Storm can go either way- towards eastern Ma (Cape Cod) or turning south towards us…

  287. Of course Sarah Palin’s comments about Hillary are harmless for Republicans and Sarah Palin supporters. No one is contesting that. Look, people will give Sarah Palin a pass if it fits their overall objective.

    Remember when Sarah Palin called Hillary a whiner, and Sarah said Hillary is complaining about the Media’s treatment of her? Pay no nevermind to the fact that it came back to bite Sarah, but people gave Sarah a pass on that also, saying she learned from it. Fine, maybe she did. But at some point, you can only make so many mistakes before people are like “well, you aren’t really improving, are you?” I gave Sarah many chances, even glossed over her “Hillary is a whiner” comment, but when she started the same stuff as recently as late last year, I was pretty much done with her.

    Those who are Sarah supporters, they will certainly give her more chances. Nothing really new there, and if you like and support Sarah, that’s great for you.

  288. Another tornado cell developing over Springfield, MA and one over Long Island heading up along the east coastline.

    These things just pop-up and can’t tell which way they are going to travel.

    We haven’t heard from Tim- Y/N?

  289. Fifth Dimension
    June 1st, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    ——–
    I pretty much agree with you on this.
    I will end up voting for Sarah if by some miracle she is the Rethug winner of the primary. I would rather vote for her than most of the male sheep that are running.

    Trump is the only hope I hang on to if Hillary doesn’t jump in the race at all.

  290. Reporters staking out Sarah Palin’s “One Nation” bus may soon have some reading material to help them kill some time.
    ——————
    Stalkers. That is what these big media journalists are.

  291. Thanks, Shadow- All clear-

    geeze, we rushed through dinner just in case we were blown away to Arkansas or maybe Kansas. At least, we wouldn’t have been hungry… 🙂

    We were lucky the storm cells headed east and not south.

    I haven’t read everything that’s been posted from later this morning… so, back to your regular programming-

    Sorry for the interruption. Will catch up with you guys later on- be kind to each other- you just never know….

  292. Wow, stay safe everyone on the east coast–tornados everywhere…

    Couple of interesting news items on Drudge:

    Obama wants $60 million by June for his campaign–Rahm Emmanual met with DNC national finance committee

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/06/obama_top_fund-raisers_told_to.html

    Huckabee says he could change his mind on his presidential bid–and made comment at Clinton School of Public Service!

    http://arkansasnews.com/2011/06/01/huckabee-door-open-to-2012-presidential-bid/

  293. I have refrained from saying much about the Anthony Weiner, or making jokes about it the way I would with other politicians. Personally, I do not like him. But I think very highly of his wife. Unlike Penn, PSD and others, she was loyal to Hillary from alpha to omega. Also, if you needed to get an important message to Hillary when she was surrounded by a million people in the campaign, you gave it to Huma and invariably it got to Hillary. Huma does not deserve this scandal and this is the kind of crap which big media sinks its teeth into in order to divert us from the real issues. Perhaps you know from my prior blogs that I have a favorable opinion of Erickson at Red State. He is no friend of establishment Republicans and he speaks for the American People far more than most of our elected officials, in my opinion at least. And typically, he is not extreme in his reactions, but his reaction to this one is pretty tough.
    ————————————————–
    How Many Men’s Weiners Does Anthony Weiner Have on His Blackberry?

    Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)
    Wednesday, June 1st at 8:32PM EDT
    No Comments
    Anthony Weiner is now offering up this to CNN.

    It certainly doesn’t look familiar to me, but I don’t want to say with certitude to you something that I don’t know to be the certain truth,” Weiner told CNN in an interview.

    If Anthony Weiner cannot “say with certitude” that it was his weiner on twitter, how many other men’s weiners does Anthony Weiner have on his blackberry. After the last 48 hours, it is a bridge too far to say the picture did not come from Anthony Weiner.

    He says he won’t talk further about the case to protect his wife. They’ve only been married about a year.

    It is increasingly clear that Anthony Weiner is a pervert and if he is protecting his wife, it is to protect her from the truth that she is married to a cad.

    When will Anthony Weiner resign out of the shame of showing America his eponymous organ? I won’t hold my breath, considering Barney Frank is still there after the whole brothel thing. Frank and Weiner — they could open some sort of sordid law firm together.

  294. wbboei
    June 1st, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Agreed, don’t like the man, I feel bad for Huma, she seems like a very respectful lady, she does not deserve this crap by this man. I just saw in another article, that he was following many young college girls on twitter, so even if this was supposedly hacked, which I don’t believe, but then its been shown he is following all these college girls, why the hell would a almost 50 yr old, just married, be following all these young college girls on twitter?!?

    The double standard by the Obot media is stunning. If this was a repub or conservative, it would be all news all the time.

  295. this country’s economic future is pretty much in full meltdown as QE2 will be ending this June, and Waffles wants to squeeze donors for 60 million by the end of June. TOday’s number are nothing but a pre-panic button, there will be nothing to prop up this economy anymore, they keep calling it a double dip, which is absolutely incorrect, for it to be a double dip recession means we left the first one in 2009, which we did not, we have just been on a sugar high with fresh printed money by Dr. Bernanke, and we were just bouncing along the bottom. The sugar high is soon to be gone, economic pain will only acceleration, I see it all around, smaller businesses are literally “battening down the hatches”.

    And with all this going on, the Waffles wants 60 million raised in 1 month. Whoever donates to this fool have to be some of the most pathetic losers I have seen seen.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/06/obama_top_fund-raisers_told_to.html

  296. BigCatLover
    June 1st, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Piers Morgan is doing a long phone interview with Donald Trump on CNN now.
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    Anything news to report on the call BigCat?

  297. Shadowfax
    He talks so fast and jumps around so it’s hard to remember. He did talk about if he ran he might do it as an Independent (which you already reported). He must have been warned off by the repubs. He said he doesn’t think Sarah Palin has decided whether to run yet and talked about all the things that have not been addressed by the other candidates so far. So no new info.

  298. How Many Men’s Weiners Does Anthony Weiner Have on His Blackberry?
    Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

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    It’s unclear what happened with Weiner. What is clear, is that Erickson is a nasty person who is taking unfair advantage by making a nasty minded attack.

  299. Trump really needs to shut up or get in the race. He said no, now wants back in. I was patient with his explanation when he said no to 2012, and probably with the threats to his business I accepted that reason, but now this crap is getting old. He wants it both ways, either get in or shut the hell up.

  300. In case you miss it, he is talking about the same things and saying the same things in both interviews tonight.

    SP is very partriotic and loves America.
    She hasn’t decided whether to run.
    Paul Ryan’s budget plan is a disaster and the timing is disastrous. He should have let Obama come up with a plan and then the repubs could have attacked it or changed it to make it better.
    He has explained why he announced he was not running last time but he is definitely is not out yet.
    He’s fed up with the repubs and their candidates. He would prefer a repub for Prez but he hasn’t seen one yet that can turn the country around.
    More talk about Palin’s concerns that she expressed to him.
    SP asked him if he might run as an Independent and he says if he doesn’t see someone who can turn the country around he will – depending on who the repub candidate is and how the economy is going. He thinks a 3 person race might be better for him.

  301. He thinks a 3 person race might be better for him.

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    Hm, so the Dems and the GOP might split the non-Trump vote?

  302. Trump really needs to shut up or get in the race. He said no, now wants back in. I was patient with his explanation when he said no to 2012, and probably with the threats to his business I accepted that reason, but now this crap is getting old. He wants it both ways, either get in or shut the hell up.
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    He will not run. This is just bravado.

  303. It’s possible both Palin and Trump want to influence the conversation but are not ready to go all out and run. They both get alot of attention from the media.

  304. t’s possible both Palin and Trump want to influence the conversation but are not ready to go all out and run. They both get alot of attention from the media.
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    Precisely. In order to run they would need a nation wide organization. If they built that organization, the establishment from both parties would oppose them. But they can have a lot of leverage if they can command the attention of big media. And big media will not cover them unless they believe they may run. In fact, big media wants Sarah to run because Obama thinks he could win if she is the candidate. But if they turn around and admit they are not running, then the media will drop them like a hot potato, and they will lose their ability to force the Republican Party to nominate a responsible candidate, as opposed to an establishment wuss.

  305. Thanks again Big Cat for the Greta rundown of Trump.
    I was watching Merlin and missed both interviews.

    I think he should wait to decide if he wants to run.
    I might be the only one on the blog that feels that way, but I don’t care.

  306. I think of Sarah and Trump as the red capes in front of the bull.

    They both get a lot of attention because they are the ONLY ones that will call out Obama for all his crap, corruption, ignorance and arrogance.

    For this, I appreciate both of them – whether they run or not.

  307. “They both get a lot of attention because they are the ONLY ones that will call out Obama for all his crap, corruption, ignorance and arrogance.

    For this, I appreciate both of them – whether they run or not.”

    Agreed. The only thing with Trump that’s annoying now is his “I said no, but that doesnt mean no”, there is no title needed to critize Waffles, Trump has a huge megaphone, he can keep on pounding Waffles without having to interject his potential non-run.

  308. I keep testing my obot friends, reading their lack of support now for Ubama. Would they ever vote for someone like Mitt, the Newt, or Palin……….no.

    But I can’t tell you how many have told me they would vote for Trump to get Barry out. Many Dems I know don’t really think of Trump as being a full blooded Rethug, so they would vote for him in a heartbeat if he ran.

  309. tim –
    I understand your frustration, but maybe, maybe Trump also feels frustrated…especially with the dilemma of thinking of himself as a Republican, and yet he knows his own party doesn’t want him, even if he could win against Obama.

    Same sort of thing Hillary went though, and Sarah is going though.

    Those three people are being kept out of the running by their own parties and attacked by the ObamaDNC and the MSM.

  310. I keep testing my obot friends, reading their lack of support now for Ubama. Would they ever vote for someone like Mitt, the Newt, or Palin……….no.

    But I can’t tell you how many have told me they would vote for Trump to get Barry out. Many Dems I know don’t really think of Trump as being a full blooded Rethug, so they would vote for him in a heartbeat if he ran.
    ————————–
    An interesting point. One I had not thought of. But it makes sense. If they are really prepared to not vote for O bambi and if they would never vote for a Republican, then Donald Trump as an independent would provide them with a safe harbor. Ditto with conservatives when the Republicans run true to form and nominate a RINO like Romney. But I am afraid the blew it when he said he was not running. People were counting on him to follow through on what he clearly implied. If you lead somebody to believe you will do something, even though you do not make an actual commitment, when you fail to follow through on what you implied you have broken a promise. In other words, the test is not what you said with all the nuances and disclaimers. It is what they reasonably believed. Trump does not seem to get that part.

  311. From ACE…pretty good
    *************************

    June 01, 2011
    The Curious Case Of Hayley Williams
    —Ace

    WeinerGate has hit, and I do use this term advisedly, the decadent phase, where people are just trying to outclever each other with outre and novel theories of the case. Even among conservatives, or those who initially doubted Rep. Weiner’s bizarre story like Lee Stranahan, we’re now seeing baroque theories about jilted ex-girlfriends seeking revenge.

    Yes, that last theory is from a conservative.

    Let me suggest the obvious answer is in fact the answer.

    There is no need to get clever here. There is no grand mystery. This is not like Watergate — scratch that, it sort of is like Watergate. What you think happened here is pretty much what happened here.

    A married man, formerly a player (yeah I don’t get that either), looking for a little 11:30 am virtual strange while the missus was away, sent a picture of his package, which he’s extremely proud of, to a coed. Don’t ask me why he’s so proud of that. But I just heard him on Maddow getting off on the fact that Jon Stewart suggested he was well-endowed.

    The guy almost wants us to know it’s his penis. That’s how proud he is of it.

    Anyway, the coed is cute. Has flattered this man, who is a narcissist, by calling him “my boyfriend” and saying she has a “crush” and also that he is, to her, physically attractive.

    Yeah I don’t get that one, either. But if you look at this cat, you can tell he’s not really accustomed to hearing that, so it still strikes a pleasing note inside him.

    Do I need to go on any further? This is not complicated.

    Weiner asserts that people hack the Twitter accounts of Congressmen in order to send partially-real partially-enhanced pictures of penises “hundreds of thousands of times every day.”

    Well, no, that doesn’t happen hundreds of thousands of times a day. That happens… once, as it turns out.

    And, actually, not even that many times.

    But was does happen an awful lot is that two people get caught up in a sudden attraction and do something dumb.

    And yet, despite all this, even conservatives, determined to crack a mystery which was solved within ten minutes of the perpetration of the crime, are on the hunt for hackers, ex-girlfriends, horny staffers and who knows what else.

    We are all agreed that someone had an interest in sending a picture of Rep. Weiner’s erection to a coed. Even Rep. Weiner agrees on this much — he’s basically told us yeah, that’s my junk. And he’s proud of that.

    So we know someone wanted to send the dicpic to the coed.

    Would I sound very boring if I were to suggest that the person with the means, opportunity, and motive to send Rep. Weiner’s dicpic to the coed was none other than Rep. Weiner himself?

    Oh, I concede that is unimaginative. Lacks punch. A trifling mystery, the one where the murderer is evident from page 10, and the rest is all procedure and filler; but I think that is where the evidence is taking us.

    Is taking us? Has taken us. Took us. Is there a more past tense than the past perfect tense? Has hadn taken-tooken us 96 hours ago.

    For those who find this a tad too boring, with not enough thrills and chills or surprise twists and unexpected 11th hour entry by exciting new suspects, let me bore you some more and note this isn’t even the first time this mystery has ended this way.

    One Hayley Williams. Female, caucasian, about 25. Singer for a band called Paramore. Just a small town girl, living in a lonely world. You know the story. You hear it every day.

    The victim of a horrible content warning hacking on Twitter, in which a nefarious hacker hacked into her account, and, via hacking, sent a picture of her exposed breasts to the public.

    Hayley Williams of Paramore claims her Twitter site was hacked and the nude twitpic that was posted has since gone viral.
    Of course it was removed, but we have the censored version. Another version can be found here. Hayley did not comment on the embarrassing topless photo directly, and to be honest it seems more like a cruel joke than a hack.

    Someone would have to have access to the topless photo of Hayley Williams AND be able to access her twitter account. That is a lot of info to have. For those who don’t pay attention to detail, the photo is also being searched for as, Haley Williams twitter picture.

    Can you help Hayley find her hacker? Can you solve this mystery?

    Alas, no you cannot.

    There is nothing to be solved. The hacker was already discovered.

    The hacker, Content Warning For Full Upper Nudity, was Hayley herself, who screwed up in the exact manner that Anthony Weiner did, just a year later.

    Paramore’s Hayley Williams attempted to DM this topless picture of herself to her boyfriend, but instead wound up posting it for all to see on the internet. She took it down almost immediately, but we all know “immediately” is about 3 minutes too late in internet time.
    Yes, I know it’s not as exciting as the Realization Montage in The Usual Suspects, but life usually isn’t. That’s why we pay clever people a great deal of money to make shit up for us to watch on a movie screen.

    Now, if you want to explain to me that some jealous ex-boyfriend of Hayley Williams was “the real perp,” or maybe it was a disgruntled staffer, or maybe even it was a conservative who hated her, fine.

    But do all that first, explaining why the obvious is to be disregarded as a solution in The Curious Case of Hayley Williams first, before coming to me with some fresh new jazz about Anthony Weiner.

    After all– the Hayley Williams case is a year old. It’s a cold case. She deserves our justice, after waiting for her hacker to be exposed for all this time.

    Indeed:

    This is the most fiendish set-up since Mary Jo Kopechne implicated Ted Kennedy in her suicide. Posted by: nickless
    And As We’re Talking About Dic-Fic: There’s a simple way to tell if a subject is guilty.

    Examine his demeanor. Listen to what he says when first confronted with the crime.

    Does his reaction read genuine?

    Or does his reaction read false?

  312. Hey, chump change! If I remember right, Ford took nothing and they have been making a profit!
    ***

    – Wed Jun 1, 12:19 pm ET
    WASHINGTON – The Obama administration said Wednesday that the government will lose about $14 billion in taxpayer funds from the bailout of the U.S. auto industry.
    In a report from the president’s National Economic Council, officials said that figure is down from the 60 percent the Treasury Department originally estimated the government would lose following its $80 billion bailout of Chrysler and General Motors in 2009.

  313. Clint Eastwood…81 yeasterday i think, this was on an article of 10 things you don’t know about Clint
    *****

    3. Clint threatened to kill Michael Moore

    Once again, fact is way awesomer than fiction. So how exactly did Clint come to threaten Michael Moore’s life? Well, it just so happens that Clint got the opportunity to watch Moore’s film Bowling for Columbine, and he didn’t much care for the scene at the end where Moore sticks a camera in Charlton Heston’s face and pretty much makes an ass of him.

    So, while accepting a Special Filmmaking Achievement prize for Million Dollar Baby at the National Board Of Review Awards in New York, he says, “Michael, if you ever show up at my front door with a camera, I’ll kill you.” The audience laughs, everyone has a good chuckle, and then the laughter dies down.

    To make sure everyone knows that this wasn’t a joke and there’s no punchline, he then says, “I mean it.” Gulp! These are the times when I’m glad I’m not a fat documentary filmmaker. Charlton may have been a gentleman about Moore’s boorish ways, but Clint, as always, knows the answer to obnoxious punks: the .44 Magnum.

  314. turndownobama
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    Sorry, but that wasn’t me. I believe that was lorac, but don’t quote me on it.

    =================

    It was “Tony Stark”.

    Poor lorac. First she’s accused by Mrs. S of insulting Wbboei (a really ‘old wound’), now by you of insulting me.

    LOL It’s rather like a game of telephone now, isn’t it? And actually, I thought it was someone else, not Tony lol

    What I’ve personally learned on this site in the last couple of weeks after a couple of incidents, is that if you post information opposite of what someone believes, even provide evidence (HIPAA flow chart, etc), the other person digs their heels in even deeper, attacking you, putting digs into unrelated posts, and comes out the other end touting the new projected narrative that what happened was THEY posted the alternate info, and THEY are being attacked, not allowed to have their own opinion. When all they had to do was say, “oh, I didn’t know about that law, I’m glad to know it now, thanks for the info”.

    Without using more professional language, I’ve “got the number now”. It’s all just very humorous now. I know now which people can discuss issues and which can’t. I love discussing things, but I have no interest in The Big Battle Miniseries, Episode 3. If someone is still stuck on me, waiting to find a new person to fight with, I won’t be responding to the games – I’ll just be chuckling.

  315. Maybe it’s the new trend….

    Huckabee says he could change mind on presidential bid.

    Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee foresees a “broke and battered” nominee emerging from the 2012 Republican presidential sweepstakes but says his recent exit from the race is not etched in stone.

    Appearing today as a guest of the Clinton School of Public Service, the surprise 2008 GOP presidential contender said he did not entirely rule out running next year when he announced last month he had decided against throwing his hat into the ring. Running as a vice presidential candidate next year or for president in 2016 also are not out of the question, he said.

    http://arkansasnews.com/2011/06/01/huckabee-door-open-to-2012-presidential-bid/

  316. Well, there seem to be a lot of republicans interested in running. If a bunch of them keep hopping in and hopping out, that could really screw with the Obama Team’s strategy – which wouldn’t be a bad thing lol

    They’ll be all frantic at headquarters: “oh, no, do we need to cheat in Nebraska or Ohio?” “oh, no, if any of these 5 prospective candidates run, we’ll have to fight a more conservative ideology, but if those 6 prospective candidates run, we’ll have to fight a more moderate ideology”

    The 26 year old cardboard groper is going to need to have a lot of half-clothed beer parties to deal with his stress!

  317. Fifth Dimension
    June 1st, 2011 at 7:02 pm
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    If I remember correctly, didn’t Sarah Palin eventually apologize for her remark? She realized that she was wrong, at least that is the way I remember it. I think it is special that someone from an opposing party can actually come out and admit that she was wrong, even if it made her look bad in the first place.

  318. Poor lorac. First she’s accused by Mrs. S of insulting Wbboei (a really ‘old wound’), now by you of insulting me
    ——————————–
    Hell, Lorac never insulted me. On the contrary, I appreciate her comments.

  319. Thanks, wbboei. When it was all happening, I kept thinking, I’m the one who told him several times in the past how much I agree with his well-written comments!

  320. I think he should wait to decide if he wants to run.

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    Yes. What’s all the hurry. Endless campaign….

  321. LOL It’s rather like a game of telephone now, isn’t it? And actually, I thought it was someone else, not Tony lol

    =========

    Both I and Mrs. S got accused of arguing too much. I defended her, saying arguing is good!

  322. The last month has been a horror show for the U.S. economy, with economic data falling off a cliff, according to Mike Riddell, a fund manager at M&G Investments in London.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/43239586

    and there’s another article linked to it with the headline: 150 Economists Back US Republicans in Debt Fight

    Would those in the know here back the premise of the second article?

  323. Obama loses women’s support

    Bloc is vital to re-election

    Female voters have turned their backs on President Obama in droves, a development that Democrats vow to reverse as Mr. Obama gears up his re-election campaign.

    In 2008, women helped deliver the presidency to Mr. Obama, voting for the Democrat 56 percent to 43 percent over Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican. Men split their votes between the two candidates almost evenly.

    Black and white women turned out to vote in substantially higher numbers than their male counterparts, also boosting Mr. Obama’s victory margin.

    There was a startling turnaround two years later. Mr. Obama wasn’t on the 2010 midterm ballot, but his agenda was. Female voters defected from the Democratic Party in historic numbers. Postelection surveys found female voters preferred Republican congressional candidates over Democrats, 49 percent to 48 percent – the first time in at least 30 years that Republican candidates received a majority of women’s votes.

    “The explanation for that is really economic,” said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, new chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. “Women make so many of the economic decisions in households. And so the struggle economically is really borne by women, especially women who are heads of their own households.”

    Some Democrats say a midterm shellacking is typical for the incumbent president’s party and note that Mr. Obama also lost ground with other key voting groups, including seniors and independents.

    But Republicans say the reason for the defections go beyond the recession and that women in particular are reacting to Mr. Obama’s overall agenda.

    “There is a solid reason why women moved away from the Democratic Party in 2010,” said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee Republican. “They want their problems solved. What happened with Obamacare was not health care reform. Females saw that as complicating the issue. They completely disagreed with the course of action.”

    The latest Gallup daily tracking poll found Mr. Obama with a 50 percent job approval rating among women, up from a low of 43 percent in April. But a poll taken before the midterm elections by Kellyanne Conway for the Kitchen Cabinet, a conservative womens group, showed what could be lingering problems for the president. A majority of independent women viewed the health care law and Mr. Obama’s signature $821 billion economic stimulus plan as failures.

    Said freshman Rep. Diane Black, Tennessee Republican: “More and more, women are the decision makers in their households. They set the budgets, buy the groceries, take the kids to the doctor. And they’ve been seeing not only their budgets but their choices limited because Washington is deciding for them.

    “From the health care takeover to our out-of-control debt, Washington has imposed a future for them and their children that quite frankly they don’t like, and I don’t like either. The government is spending more, but the outlook for all of us is getting worse, and so I believe women are saying, ‘Enough is enough.’ “

    In recent warm-up events for the 2012 race, Mr. Obama has seemed eager to repair whatever damage has been done. He lavishes praise on Ms. Wasserman Schultz, a mother of three school-age children and the first woman selected by a sitting president to chair either party, calling her “tireless.”

    “I don’t know how she keeps up with everything,” Mr. Obama said at a fundraiser in Washington. “But as [wife] Michelle [Obama] said, ‘If you want something done, put a woman in charge.’ “

    The president also has joked that he and dog Bo are the only guys at the family dinner table each evening, and he reminds audiences that he won’t allow congressional Republicans to eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood.

    Ms. Wasserman Schultz said the campaign’s outreach for women in 2012 will be aggressive.

    “The fieldwork, the mobilization of women, the active involvement of women is going to be unprecedented,” she said.

    A spokeswoman for the Obama re-election campaign in Chicago said the president’s policies have consistently benefited women.

    “Whether it is promoting work-family balance, equal pay for equal work, or the Affordable Care Act guaranteeing women security in their health coverage, it is clear the president has put women’s issues at the forefront of his agenda,” spokeswoman Katie Hogan said.

    Others point out that the president has appointed two women to the Supreme Court and created the White House Council on Women and Girls to coordinate and advance women’s issues.

    Democrats argue that women will come back to their party when they examine the GOP agenda more closely.

    “The voters have gotten a glimpse of what total Republican control would look like, an extreme social agenda that was nothing short of an assault on women, trying to redefine rape and deny women the opportunity to make their own reproductive choices,” Ms. Wasserman Schultz said. “Their record is a war on women and it’s a priority for them.”

    Rep. Allyson Y. Schwartz, Pennsylvania Democrat and chief recruiter for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said GOP budget cuts and plans to overhaul the Medicare health care system for seniors are “galvanizing women of all ages.”

    Republicans counter that a majority of Americans favor defunding Planned Parenthood, whose services include abortion, and that female voters are being turned off by the Democrats’ policies of higher taxes, more regulation and interference in local education issues.

    “Women business owners want a healthy free-enterprise sector,” Mrs. Blackburn said. “Democrats have given them hyperactive regulating agencies that stifle business.”

    Rep. Cynthia M. Lummis, Wyoming Republican, said years of studying voters’ habits in the Wyoming Legislature and in Washington have convinced her that female voters take a longer-range view than men.

    “The candidate who will succeed with women in 2012 will be the candidate who appeals to the future of our country and economic stability,” she said. “It has less to do with political party than with the vision they paint.”

    In 2008, she said, Mr. Obama “painted a picture that women felt looked beyond the immediate horizon.” (and he can’t deliver)

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/1/obama-loses-womens-support/
    __________________________

    Suddenly the woman hater notices he has lost the support of the women’s vote- His wife, voices her words of wisdom, “if you want something done- put a woman in charge.” Yes, Michelle- even you recognize what a failure as president your husband has been to the American people. We voted for a woman to take charge but you and yours found ways to subvert our vote and overwhelming wishes. Shame on you for all the suffering you’ve caused when you took over our white house.

    Lesson learned- it’s dirty Chicago politics residing at 1600 Pensey Av- We intend to begin foreclosing on the current residents. Start packing-

  324. I fully intended to return last night. And thanks everyone for the kind words. It was a scary time. We’ve never had tornado warnings this close to our residence before. The rumblings heard by the victims in Missouri; I can tell you are the most ominous sounds you ever want to hear. And for the most part, the black sky and tornadic winds were at least 50 miles away from us. Then you think- there is nowhere to run.

    We were glued to our local weather station and the damn thing was leap frogging around within a 300 mi radius. Even the weather men were startled each and every time the radar screen revealed a new path the tornado was taking, this until about 8:30 last night when we got the all clear-.

    I don’t think I mentioned it yesterday, our big yellow wonder dog gave me a present as I was soon to find out- poison ivy. I remember hugging him last week, (his head, now as big as he was at 8 wks,) and his memory of snuggling between my neck and shoulder when I first picked him up from the litter has always been his favorite thing.

    Well, my physician informed me the oil on the leaves of PI rubs off on the dog’s coat when he makes his am and pm rounds in the woods. I guess that is where the Poison Ivy now encircling my neck came from and is wicked itchy when wearing jewelry. The Doc prescribed a cortisone creme and antihistamine I picked up at the pharmacy earlier in the day. The creme worked great remediating the itch, the antihistamine tablets gave me the best night’s sleep I’ve had in a week!

    JanH- how is your sister doing? I know this is a very difficult time she is facing with things happening so quick- How is she coping? There really are no words-

  325. I look at both party so-called candidates for the most important job in the world at this time in our history and see a group of wannabe mustnotbe shouldnotbe had betternotbe political trash.They may not realize it but they are clearing the way for our girl Hillary to step into the OO as the realPOTUS.Please take notice of what is on her plate today.Not golf balls or marbles.

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    Thursday June 2nd Appointments for SOS Hillary Clinton: The George C. Marshall Foundation Award
    June 2, 2011
    tags: Awards, Daily Appointment Schedule, Diplomacy, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State, State Departmentby stacyx
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    SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
    9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the Assistant Secretaries of the Regional Bureaus, at the Department of State.

    10:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Czech Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzberg, at the Department of State.

    11:30 a.m. Secretary Clinton attends a meeting at the White House.

    1:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a meeting at the White House.

    2:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the Broadcasting Board of Governors, at the Department of State.

    3:35 p.m. Secretary Clinton announces a public-private partnership with the M∙A∙C AIDS Fund to expand critical medical and emergency support services for survivors of rape and sexual assault in South Africa, at the Department of State.

    Watch live on http://www.state.gov

    4:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a Swearing-In Ceremony for Suzan Johnson Cook, Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom, at the Department of State.
    .

    7:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton receives the 2011 George C. Marshall Foundation Award at a dinner, at the National Building Museum

  326. I feel bad for Huma, she seems like a very respectful lady, she does not deserve this crap by this man.
    Agree 100%.
    They’ve been married less than a year — I kinda hope she kicks him out. She deserves way better.

  327. Well, there seem to be a lot of republicans interested in running. If a bunch of them keep hopping in and hopping out, that could really screw with the Obama Team’s strategy – which wouldn’t be a bad thing lol

    lorac, great point!!!!! All this GOP indecision must be really messing up the WH.

  328. Obama/DNC top fund-raisers told to collect $60 million by end of June

    By Lynn Sweet on June 1, 2011

    WASHINGTON–President Obama’s top fund-raisers, meeting in Chicago on Wednesday were asked by Obama campaign manager Jim Messina to raise $60 million for the Obama 2012 re-elect and the Democratic Party by the end of June, I’ve been told.

    The $60 million June 30 second quarter goal–part of a power point presentation to members of the Obama 2012/Democratic National Committee National Finance Committee–is equal to the amount raised during the comparable time by the 2004 Bush/Cheney campaign and the Republican National Committee.

    Whatever the comparison, members of the NFC–Obama’s major bundlers–people who use their extensive personal networks to convince others to make campaign donations–were huddling at the Hyatt Regency on Wacker Dr. to map strategy to raise what Messina has said was “north of $750 million” for the 2012 re-election campaign.

    Obama and First Lady Michelle, I’ve learned, will hit the fund-raising trail again this month in a quest to raise big money early on for the Obama 2012 re-elect and the DNC.

    Mrs. Obama headlines fundraisers in California–Pasadena and the Bay Area on June 13.

    Obama has fund-raisers June 13 in Miami; June 20 in Washington aimed at Jewish donors, June 23 in New York City for gay and lesbian contributors and June 30 in Philadelphia.

    Besides Messina, others briefing the NFC include Deputy Campaign Manager Julianna Smoot; Rufus Gifford, the Obama 2012 Finance Director and the NFC 2012 chair Matthew Barzun, Obama’s former ambassador to Sweden.

    In April Messina told me, “We’ll raise enough funds to compete and win, and that will take a significant amount given the vast amounts GOP-allied groups are already raising. But this pie in the sky speculation about a billion dollars is baseless.”

    Mayor Emanuel–who has the golden touch when it comes to fund-raising for himself or others–met with the NFC on Tuesday.

  329. Might as well put Malia and Sasha to work fundraising for Dad.
    Maybe they can threaten little kids with Taxing their Lemonade Stands if their home based businesses takeoff-

    I don’t get why they are worried about money coming in for the campaign. Their money won’t be coming from the American people that’s for sure- They always have Big Daddy Soros who will fill in any gaps in fundraising besides all those illegal foreign funds coming in on anonymous debit cards by the thousands in undetectable $25.00 donations.

  330. I don’t get why they are worried about money coming in for the campaign.

    I wish BeerO would worry half as much about money coming in to our economy!

  331. You would think he experiences a little bit of guilt and foresight for the jobless concerned about putting food on the table never mind throwing needed dollars into his fund raising coffers.

  332. Mrs. Smith,

    The funeral was yesterday. My sister is trying very hard to take it one day at a time.

    Oh dear, poison ivy? Not fun at all.

  333. Palin‘s Bus Defaced With ’Media Whore’ Sign

    Someone posted an unfriendly sign on Sarah Palin’s tour bus earlier today. The villain’s message, pasted directly over the words, “We the People” on a picture of the Constitution, read, “I, The Media Whore.”:

    [the sign] was sacrilegiously placed over a monster image of the preamble to the United States Constitution for nearly 15 minutes. The bus was parked outside Fox News headquarters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ndIOKRMso&feature=player_embedded

    Do notice Sarah wearing a Star of David pendant yesterday in NY. (pic)

    http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/SPNY_Blues_4.jpg

  334. Palin‘s Bus Defaced With ’Media Whore’ Sign

    Someone posted an unfriendly sign on Sarah Palin’s tour bus earlier today. The villain’s message, pasted directly over the words, “We the People” on a picture of the Constitution, read, “I, The Media Whore.”:

    [the sign] was sacrilegiously placed over a monster image of the preamble to the United States Constitution for nearly 15 minutes. The bus was parked outside Fox News headquarters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ndIOKRMso&feature=player_embedded

    Do notice Sarah wearing a Star of David pendant yesterday in NY. (pic)

    h.. w.. rumproast.com/images/uploads/SPNY_Blues_4.jpg

  335. Jun 2, 2011 6:04am EDT

    Hillary Clinton’s and Robert Gates’ Ratings Improve
    A result of Bin Laden’s death?

    PR Newswire

    NEW YORK, June 2, 2011

    NEW YORK, June 2, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — A new Harris Poll finds that public attitudes to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert Gates have improved over the last few months. Both are more highly rated now than at any time since they took office. They both enjoy better than 2-to-1 favorable ratings among those who are familiar enough with them to rate them. The poll also finds that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s positive ratings have improved, but many people are not familiar with him and, among those who are, his ratings are still negative by almost 2-to-1. The poll rates nine leaders in Washington and the Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Only Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates receive more positive than negative ratings.

    Harris last asked these questions in January, so we can only speculate as to when and why these changes occurred. As in our previous polls, many people are not familiar enough with some of the leaders to rate them at all; 57% cannot rate Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, and more than 45% cannot rate Robert Gates, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

    These are some of the results of The Harris Poll of 2,184 adults surveyed online between May 9 and 16, 2011 by Harris Interactive.

    The main findings of the poll include:

    ◦Hillary Clinton’s ratings are now 61% positive, 26% negative, up from 50% to 31% in January. This is the first time since she took office that her positive ratings are above 51%. She continues to be by far the most popular leader in Washington;
    ◦Vice-President Joe Biden’s ratings are 35% positive, 43% negative, compared to 33%-39% in January;

    ◦Robert Gates’ ratings are now 37% positive, 16% negative, compared to 30%-18% in January. But almost half (47%) of all adults are not familiar enough with him “to have an opinion about him”;

    ◦Tim Geithner’s ratings are 17% positive, 27% negative with most people (57%) still not familiar with him;

    ◦Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s ratings are 17% positive, 36% negative compared to 11%-33% in January;

    ◦House Speaker John Boehner’s ratings are 22% p
    positive, 32% negative compared to 22%-27% in January;

    ◦House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s ratings are now 24% positive and 51% negative, compared to 22%-48% in January; and,

    ◦Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s ratings are now 22% positive, 29% negative, compared to 20%-25% in January.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/02/idUS90992+02-Jun-2011+PRN20110602

  336. JanH
    June 2nd, 2011 at 9:18 am

    The funeral was yesterday.
    ________________

    He wasn’t Jewish or was it because of the medical ex…

  337. I am not surprised that someone defaced the bus. I hope they post a lookout from now on when they hav eto park. The obots are really wee-weed up about the bus tour. It shows such a contrast to BeerO’s golf marathons.

  338. Bob Gates was smart to stay out of the decision to not interfere with Libya. If that is what they want to call it- I remember reading Gates was against US involvement in Libya.

    Although, Gates would be the perfect running mate for Hillary if she does change her mind and throw her headband in the ring.

  339. votermom
    June 2nd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    The bus was parked in front of the Fox News station. The sign was posted on the street side/blind side of the crowd waiting outside for Palin to make an appearance. Or they were waiting to get into the studio. Luckily, the perp didn’t used spray paint. I thought the bus’ graphics we awesome- Expressing the public’s sentiment of once more reminding us who we are and what we are about.

  340. Trump’s defense of the fact that he’s still thinking about running from Greta’ interview last night:

    I’m not like Ross Perot who got in then got out then got back in. I never got in. I said I was thinking about running, I never said I was running.

    Please direct all disparaging reactions to Donald Trump and not to me. Thanks.

  341. Mrs. Smith,

    No he wasn’t Jewish. We had to wait for the medical examiner to release his body and relatives to arrive.

  342. Mrs. Smith
    I’ve gotten several cases of poison ivy from my dogs over the years. But since I stopped having dogs and switched to cats since they were easier for me to care for, no cases of poison ivy. Moral: Cats prevent poison ivy, dogs promote it. LOL

  343. How many days holidays do you get……?

    Shocker: Obama Spent Majority of First Two Years in Office Outside of Washington,3 Months on Vacation

    It’s an amazing thing to watch liberals stumble all over themselves to defend President Obama’s actions and failures. One is his inordinately high vacation time.

    The left will scream that President Bush spent so much time on vacation. They’ll say that President Obama plays much less golf than Mr. Bush did (even though President Bush gave up golf in 2003). But here’s something they cannot deny: from January of 2009 to January of 2011, President Obama spent a mere 48% of his time in Washington, D.C.

    This timetable is specifically from January 20, 2009, the day Mr. Obama assumed office, and January 3, 2011, the day Mr. Obama returned from a vacation in Hawaii. That’s 713 days, and the President spent 342 of them in our capital.

    From 2009-January of 2011, President Obama enjoyed 70 days of foreign travel, 176 days on domestic “trips,” 35 days at Camp Davis and 61 days on vacation. On top of that, he played 57 rounds of golf (which the MSM calls “mini-vacations”), which took up approximately half of a day each and therefore constitutes almost another month of vacation time. Add them together and President Obama enjoyed 371 days away from his job in Washington.

    In fact, the number may actually be higher, as it does not count fundraisers nor correspondent/private dinners that Mr. Obama attended in Washington.

    Can you imagine a job where you could choose not to go for most of the days? Apparently, the leader of the free world can.

    Even worse, President Obama has decided that his time as a hard-working President is going to be over for some time now. Today he announced that he’s aiming for $60,000,000 in fundraising in the coming economic quarter. That means a lot more time campaigning and getting money and much less time doing his job.

    The numbers for 2011 haven’t been tabulated quite yet, but the trend will almost certainly continue and will likely increase. But then again, it might not be all bad: at least when he’s out of Washington, he can’t screw as many things up.

    http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/06/shocker-obama-spent-majority-of-first.html

    ……………………

    He did exactly the same thing as Senator but they refused to look at that also. He is Mr MIA.

  344. Best comment of the days from another blog……and oh soooooooooooo true.

    Hawaii? Indonesia? Harvard? Chicago? Washington? How many places has he lived?
    He showed up at Occidental College, full of promise. He achieved nothing and then left.
    He showed up at Harvard, full of promise. He achieved nothing and then left.
    He showed up in Chicago as a lecturer, full of promise. He achieved nothing and then left.
    He was a community organizer, full of promise. He achieved nothing and then left.
    He was a state senator, but quickly moved on.
    He was a US senator, but quickly moved on.
    Now he is president — and he cannot stay in one place.

    He is a scared little boy, constantly running away. He knows he is an empty suit, and he is worried that others may discover this fact. So he is constantly running away from himself.

  345. The tornado damage in Massachusetts was more severe than I could have imagined when I first read comments about the tornados last night in the comment section of this very blog. The one film shows the tornado approaching a bridge on the Connecticut River that had many cars on it. It passed right through them. I was wondering if the people who were in their cars on that bridge managed to survive. I know that four people died, at least that is what is being reported this morning. For those people on that particular bridge, they must have been saying their prayers for deliverance.

  346. moononpluto
    June 2nd, 2011 at 10:52 am
    ==============================

    That is a good comment, but it’s already much too late for him to worry about other people finding out. Many were on to his case BEFORE he was even elected. It’s only the enlightened Democrats and a few foolish elitist Republicans who fell for his bs, hook, line, and sinker. I hope that those who originally voted for him, and now of misgivings about it are happy with themselves. My Republican brother-in-law, who likes to think of himself as being so smart, is an example.

  347. Watching the hitlerjuegen at rumproast is like watching a deranged hate filled beast sinking in a tarpit of its own bile–the latest episode being this Sarah episode, which one of their people was associated with according to my information. And even if that is not true, I am sure they wish it were.

    I know for a fact they read this blog. So let us stop this circular firing squad nonsense and focus on the people who are destroying our nation–ignorant pseudo sophisticate sad sacks like them.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, further proof that Obama and the banking interests behind they have run the ship of state and our economy aground, leaving millions of unemployed people high and dry. One of those people, this author, calls the game on the rest of them. This explains so much of what is going on now, which you will see in policy decisions which have nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of the American People. The ignoranti at rumproast haven’t a clue . . .
    ————————————-

    Posted by Francis Cianfrocca (Profile)
    Thursday, June 2nd at 10:34AM EDT
    No Comments
    Just when you thought US Treasury debt couldn’t get more overpriced, it gets… more overpriced. The 10-year yield fell all the way to 2.95% yesterday. It held that level for part of this morning, and now is just under 3%.
    At least some of this has to be due to the supply disruption caused by the US hitting its debt ceiling. (Existing debt can be rolled over, and the Treasury has continued its weekly auctions, but there are constraints on the creation of net new debt.) This is even though I’ve talked to well-informed people who felt that this effect would be muted at best, because everyone knows that the debt ceiling will be raised, easily, and more or less on time.

    I’m frankly not buying the idea that markets are going bananas because of all the rotten economic stats. I’ve been telling people for more than two months that an economic slowdown was on the way, and I’m not the only one who saw it then. It’s not a surprise.

    And how does this interact with the end of QE2?

    If you take a huge buyer of midcurve debt (namely, the Fed) out of the market, it should cause rates to rise, not fall, right? But the opposite is happening as the program winds down. The desire by investors and other market participants to hold low-risk assets seems to be rising, not falling. (Of course, when QE2 officially started last November, market rates rose rather than fell. Then as now, the market was probably taking a macro view of the Fed’s actions.)
    Early this year, many were predicting a mad rush to increase risk as the US recovery strengthened and emerging markets continued hot as firecrackers. People were talking about seeing the 10-year yield well above 4% by year-end. We all have egg on our faces now. And anyone who bet this way is getting killed now. (Oddly, something similar happened at the beginning of 2010.)

    Many of you know me for a guy who tends to predict doom. But I’m not jumping up and down right now. Why? Because I look at Wall Street and large US corporations, and I see a lot of profitable activity.

    This totally sucks for the large swath of Americans who are not managing to increase their real standard of living. But that is not a sign of sign of impending doom (where “doom” is defined as another episode of serious market instability that spills over into the broad economy and destroys another few million jobs).

    In the aftermath of the last crisis, what we have today are: 1) an insolvent banking system that can contribute literally nothing to economic growth; 2) a policy community that is intent on recapitalizing the insolvent banking system; and 3) a financial industry that is fully confident that world governments will step in and prevent most of the players from taking serious damage in the next crisis.

    Of those three things, number 2 is the thumb on the economic scales. The Fed’s exceptionally accommodative policies (zero-rates, QE2, carrying an enormous balance sheet) are superficially intended to foster job growth. But in actuality, their effect is to transfer real wealth to banks from everyone else.

    And THAT is the ultimate reason why, no matter how hard you try, it just seems really hard to get a job or a raise when you need one, or make a profit on your investments.

    The way the Fed can only hope this plays out is that, over the next 3 to 7 years, the banking system slowly comes back and begins funding economic activity again (rather than overvalued housing portfolios). The other way it can work is that we get another crisis. In that case, the Fed may or may not come up short on its emergency stabilization efforts. No one really knows how that would play out.

    What I can tell you is the next crisis will come with far less warning than the last one did. The last time, I was sniffing bad stuff on the breeze (and writing about it here on RS) as early as the late spring of 2007.

    Today, there’s so much government morphine in the financial system’s veins that we could be getting ready for a massive episode and no one would be able to read the signs.

  348. #
    JanH
    June 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Mrs. Smith,

    No he wasn’t Jewish. We had to wait for the medical examiner to release his body and relatives to arrive.
    ____________

    I thought as much when you wrote the funeral was just yesterday- Oy! So sad! Tell her we are still thinking of her and pray the grief she is experiencing is of short duration and the healing comes quickly while she sleeps-

  349. In my comment about one of the tornados that went through a bridge on the Connecticut River, I didn’t mean to imply that four of the people who were on that bridge had died. I believe that the four who died were in other areas of Massachusetts, not on that particular bridge.

  350. BigCatLover
    June 2nd, 2011 at 10:43 am
    _________________________

    Ha!- if you say so- 😆

    Kittys are not an option here- asthma and allergies took care of that!

  351. Here’s an article with few surprises. Next time you hear liberals complaining about how the right controls the media (though I think that the left has more representation there no matter what they say), think of how the left controls Hollywood, and how much influence their projects have on Americans, especially their propaganda that influences (and many times hurts) young Americans. I think this book should be an interesting read.

    =======================================================
    TV Executives Admit in Taped Interviews That Hollywood Pushes a Liberal Agenda

    http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/tv-executives-admit-in-taped-interviews-that-hollywood-pushes-a-liberal-agenda–3086

  352. I have been listening to a cd by the late Milo Frank. It’s called How To Make Your Point in 30 Seconds. Milo was a marine, a talent scout, an agent, a director and a producer in Hollywood, later in life a business consultant. The tape is excellent, and it reminds me of something I need to pay better attention to–that the average attention span of you listener is only 30 seconds. Based on that revelation, let me condense the long article posted above into three main points which bear repeating, because when you set aside all the rhetoric of the politicians about how the economy is looking brighter, and how the unemployment rate has been manipulated yet again to make the asshole in the White House look good this is what it all boils down to. And until we change this, we will be like a sail boat with no wind–the nautical phrase is “in irons”.
    ———————————————-

    “1. What we have today are: 1) an insolvent banking system that can contribute literally nothing to economic growth; 2) a policy community that is intent on recapitalizing the insolvent banking system; and 3) a financial industry that is fully confident that world governments will step in and prevent most of the players from taking serious damage in the next crisis.

    2. Of those three things, number 2 is the thumb on the economic scales. The Fed’s exceptionally accommodative policies (zero-rates, QE2, carrying an enormous balance sheet) are superficially intended to foster job growth. But in actuality, their effect is to transfer real wealth to banks from everyone else.

    3. And THAT is the ultimate reason why, no matter how hard you try, it just seems really hard to get a job or a raise when you need one, or make a profit on your investments.”

  353. #
    nomobama
    June 2nd, 2011 at 11:10 am

    In my comment about one of the tornados that went through a bridge on the Connecticut River, I didn’t mean to imply that four of the people who were on that bridge had died. I believe that the four who died were in other areas of Massachusetts, not on that particular bridge.
    ______________

    I understood your message-

    The morning news reported the cars crossing the bridge were tossed around no injuries reported. The tornado did overturn an 18 wheeler in the middle of the CT River bridge though. No injuries reported there either.

    I believe the 4 deaths reported so far were for people either inside or near the 200 or so brick and mortar buildings on Main St. that were toppled by the tornado in downtown Springfield.

  354. “1. What we have today are: 1) an insolvent banking system that can contribute literally nothing to economic growth; 2) a policy community that is intent on recapitalizing the insolvent banking system; and 3) a financial industry that is fully confident that world governments will step in and prevent most of the players from taking serious damage in the next crisis.

    2. Of those three things, number 2 is the thumb on the economic scales. The Fed’s exceptionally accommodative policies (zero-rates, QE2, carrying an enormous balance sheet) are superficially intended to foster job growth. But in actuality, their effect is to transfer real wealth to banks from everyone else.

    3. And THAT is the ultimate reason why, no matter how hard you try, it just seems really hard to get a job or a raise when you need one, or make a profit on your investments.”
    ___________________

    True enough- But it is Congress that refuses to assign a Tobin Tax on financial transactions by Banks, the Stock Market and Hedge Fund Cos..

    The Financial Sector would thereby be self-sustaining and would allow the American people the economic recovery they deserve. Instead, Obama is cutting medicare, medicare and promoting cuts in our own SS retirement money.

  355. If you take the three points above and condense them even further into one point, it would be this. After the banking system has picked clean the bones of the American Middle class, and the next crisis comes along probably in the next two years, they want China to step in and bail the banking system out. But the Chinese are not as stupid as the morons at rump roast who should be roasting their own rumps starting with the head. The Chinese will want collateral, and when the crisis after that occurs, they will foreclose–sure as god made little green apples. Their likely target will be real estate and public lands. Not for nothing has asshole Obama had on his desk an executive order which opens the door for massive Chinese immigration to this country, to buy up real estate. No, this is not an urban legend. Far from it. It is inside information, more credible than Ulterman which I regard as largely credible as well. The comments above lead inevitably to this conclusion, towit: if the banking system is insolvent and the cause is bad real estate loans and China is being looked to to bail them out, then it makes logical sense doesn’t it. But that is a few years down the road and most people do not see beyond the horizon.

  356. lorac
    June 2nd, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Well, there seem to be a lot of republicans interested in running. If a bunch of them keep hopping in and hopping out, that could really screw with the Obama Team’s strategy – which wouldn’t be a bad thing lol

    They’ll be all frantic at headquarters: “oh, no, do we need to cheat in Nebraska or Ohio?” “oh, no, if any of these 5 prospective candidates run, we’ll have to fight a more conservative ideology, but if those 6 prospective candidates run, we’ll have to fight a more moderate ideology”

    ———
    Yuppers, that’s the way I see it too.

    Like shadow puppets jumping on and off the stage, changing the threats, changing the flavor of the month in the top of the polls.

    The MSM and O’admin will not know if they are coming or going with a rain of race cards flowing from the sky like a midwinter storm.

    I bettcha they know of this plan…. 😉

  357. Obama is in collusion with the IMF and the entire US Banking System. What I am talking about is CONGRESS- Our elected representatives. They are doing NOTHING to change the inevitable. People aren’t as unaware as you may think. We knew this was the path they were going down 2 yrs ago; complained about it, yet CONGRESS does NOTHING!

    You can talk about it till the cows come home. What do we do to CHANGE the direction of the country and SOLVE it?

  358. 1. “Obama does not just want your money. He want your soul. He wants you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When he subsidizes poverty and glorifies failure, he ensures that we will get more of both.”

    2. Obama White House Is Lying

    What we have seen … is a simulated recovery which has been generated by the government faking it in a lot of different ways,” putting out statistical falsehoods on economic numbers “to make it seem that the economy is stronger than it is,”

    Davidson told Newsmax. http://moneynews.com/StreetTalk/davidson-obama-lying-whitehouse/2010/01/18/id/346656

  359. Mrs. Smith
    June 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 am
    Palin‘s Bus Defaced With ’Media Whore’ Sign
    &&&&&&&&&

    I suppose whatever idiot BOT did this would DENY that Ubama is a media whore.

    He doesn’t govern.
    He doesn’t lead.
    He seeks the limelight away from tough questions, looking for softball questions and fluffy personality interviews:

    “Mr. Obama, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?”

    O: “Well, certainly not an oak.”

    Yeah, who’s the media slut?

  360. The MSM and O’admin will not know if they are coming or going with a rain of race cards flowing from the sky like a midwinter storm.
    —————————–
    A rainbow coalition.

  361. I just want to note that someone writing “media whore” on Palin’s bus is clearly a misogynist slur.
    If it was BO on that bus and someone had written a racial slur on it — imagine the outcry. And look at the non-reaction to “whore.”
    To me it just proves that the woman-hating is accepted by the culture.

  362. BigCatLover
    June 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Trump’s defense of the fact that he’s still thinking about running from Greta’ interview last night:

    I’m not like Ross Perot who got in then got out then got back in. I never got in. I said I was thinking about running, I never said I was running.

    Please direct all disparaging reactions to Donald Trump and not to me. Thanks.

    ——-
    You don’t have to worry about disparaging remarks on Trump from me, Big Cat.

    If the Donald does run, as a Rethug or Indie…if he jumps in 25 times and jumps out 24 times he has my vote. (Unless Hillary runs)

    I like his plans the best, I don’t think he is out to screw over the working class nor seniors and wants America to bring our jobs back home and have countries we defend PAY for it. I see him fixing our money flowing out of the country instead of demanding more from it’s taxpayers.

  363. MR. POPULAR??

    I guess, “not so much”. Seems that killing bin Laden can’t cover up for a weak president with a tin ear who stabs our allies in the back.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    Now that they’ve discarded the ancient May 5-9 AP poll with +21%, the gap continues to revert to pre-assassination-of-Osama levels, now at +7.4%. This is bouyed by Fox’s two week old +14, the only double digit difference.

    RCP Avg 5/8-31 51.8 44.4 +7.4
    Rasmuss 5/29-31 49 50 -1
    Gallup 5/28-31 49 42 +7
    CNN 5/24-26 54 45 +9
    FOX News 5/15-17 55 41 +14
    Politico 5/8-12 52 44 +8

  364. votermom
    June 2nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    I just want to note that someone writing “media whore” on Palin’s bus is clearly a misogynist slur.
    &&&&&&&&

    Astute of you to point that out. Yeah, imagine if something racially polarizing was painted on Obama’s bus….it would be the End of the World.

    In this case, “Ho hum”.

  365. SLATE’S JACOB WEISENBERG POLISHES OBAMA’S KNOB

    http://www.slate.com/id/2295408/

    (vomit alert)

    One excerpted quote:

    “If his two national security advisers have seemed less than pivotal figures in his administration, it is because Obama is the kind of commander-in-chief who functions as his own national security director. As both the NATO intervention in Libya and the strike against Bin Laden show, Obama is a strong executive, capable of weighing probabilities and yet acting quickly and decisively. He is far from the lawyerly or wishy-washy figure his opponents have often caricatured.”
    &&&&&&&&&

    PUH-LEASE.

    People like this either haven’t researched how Obama had to be dragged off the golf course and told “this is happening”, or they know and they are giving him cover.

    This is not a real journalist. This is like one of Mao’s media mouthpieces.

    How many pieces of silver, Mr. Weisenberg, how many pieces??

  366. from above:

    “If his two national security advisers have seemed less than pivotal figures in his administration, it is because Obama is the kind of commander-in-chief who functions as his own national security director.”
    &&&&&&

    No, if they are less than pivotal, it is because Obama doesn’t even care what they say. He probably told them, “Tell all this to Valerie, and she’ll decide…”

    He is a little boy, wandering around, seeking affection and seeking candy.

  367. a cd by the late Milo Frank. It’s called How To Make Your Point in 30 Seconds

    ====================

    Apparently by loading your 30 seconds up with unneeded and/or loaded words, such as (from the excerpt):

    “1. What we have today are: 1) an insolvent banking system that can contribute literally nothing to economic growth; 2) a policy community that is intent on recapitalizing the insolvent banking system; and 3) a financial industry that is fully confident that world governments will step in and prevent most of the players from taking serious damage in the next crisis.

    2. Of those three things, number 2 is the thumb on the economic scales. The Fed’s exceptionally accommodative policies (zero-rates, QE2, carrying an enormous balance sheet) are superficially intended to foster job growth. But in actuality, their effect is to transfer real wealth to banks from everyone else.

    3. And THAT is the ultimate reason why, no matter how hard you try, it just seems really hard to get a job or a raise when you need one, or make a profit on your investments.”

  368. NUMBERS THAT OBAMA’S HANDLERS REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE

    Led…Zeppelin.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100090356/why-barack-obama-may-be-heading-for-electoral-disaster-in-2012/

    Why Barack Obama may be heading for electoral disaster in 2012
    =================

    By Nile Gardiner

    On a recent visit to London I was struck by how much faith many British politicians, journalists and political advisers have in Barack Obama being re-elected in 2012. In the aftermath of the hugely successful Special Forces operation that took out Osama Bin Laden and a modest spike in the polls for the president, the conventional wisdom among political elites in Britain is overwhelmingly that Obama will win another four years in the Oval Office. Add to this a widespread perception of continuing disarray in the Republican race, as well as a State Visit to London that had the chattering classes worshipping at the feet of the US president, and you can easily see why Obama’s prospects look a lot rosier from across the Atlantic.

    But back in the United States, the reality looks a lot different. Many political leaders in Britain fail to understand the degree to which the American people are deeply unhappy with their president’s poor handling of the economy. Nor have they grasped the epic scale of the defeat suffered by the president in the November mid-terms, and the emphatic rejection by a clear majority of Americans of the Big Government Obama agenda.

    Just seven months ago, the United States was swept by a conservative revolution that fundamentally transformed the political landscape on Capitol Hill, and gravely weakened the ability of the president to pass legislation. This revolution is not in retreat but gaining ground, led by charismatic figures such as Paul Ryan, the Reaganite chairman of the House Budget Committee, entrusted with reining in out of control government spending. And as a Gallup poll showed, America is unquestionably a conservative country ideologically, but one that is ironically led by the most left-wing president in the nation’s history.

    Ultimately, the 2012 presidential election will be decided by the state of the economy, and new data released this week makes grim reading for the White House. In fact you cannot watch a US financial news network at the moment, from Bloomberg to CNBC to Fox Business, without a great deal of pessimism about the dire condition of the world’s biggest economy. 66 percent of Americans now worry the federal government will run out of money in the face of towering public debts.

    To say this has been an extremely bad week for the Obama administration on the economic front would be a serious understatement. As The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, home prices in the United States have sunk to their lowest levels since 2002, falling 4.2 percent in the first quarter of 2011. At the same time, employment growth is stalling, with only 38,000 Americans added to the workforce in May, the smallest increase since September. This compares with 179,000 jobs added in April. There has also been a steep slowdown in the manufacturing sector, and a downturn in the stock market on the back of weak economic news.

    Bill Clinton’s labour secretary Robert Reich summed up the grim mood in a hard-hitting op-ed in The Financial Times, which took aim at both the administration and Congress:

    “The US economy was supposed to be in bloom by late spring, but it is hardly growing at all. Expectations for second-quarter growth are not much better than the measly 1.8 per cent annualised rate of the first quarter. That is not nearly fast enough to reduce America’s ferociously high level of unemployment… Meanwhile, housing prices continue to fall. They are now 33 per cent below their 2006 peak. That is a bigger drop than recorded in the Great Depression. Homes are the largest single asset of the American middle class, so as housing prices drop many Americans feel poorer. All of this is contributing to a general gloominess. Not surprisingly, consumer confidence is also down.”

    Unsurprisingly, the polls are again looking problematic for the president. The latest Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll shows just 25 percent of Americans strongly approving of Obama’s performance, with 36 percent strongly disapproving, for a Presidential Approval Index rating of minus 11 points. In a projected match up between Obama and a Republican opponent, the president now trails by two points according to Rasmussen – 43 to 45. The RealClear Politics poll of polls shows just over a third of Americans (34.5 percent) agreeing that the country is heading in the right direction, with nearly three fifths (56.8 percent) believing it is heading down the wrong track. That negative figure rises to a staggering 66 percent of likely voters in a new Rasmussen survey, including 41 percent of Democrats.

    There is no feel good factor in America at the moment. But there is a great deal of uncertainty, nervousness, even fear over the future of the world’s only superpower. This is hardly a solid foundation for a presidential victory for the incumbent. Even though we don’t know yet who he will be up against, Barack Obama could well go into 2012 as the underdog rather than the favourite he is frequently portrayed as. On balance we’re likely to see a very close race 17 months from now. But there is also the distinct possibility of an electoral rout of the president if the economy goes further south. “Hope and change” might have played well in 2008, but it is a message that will likely ring hollow in November 2012, with an American public that is deeply disillusioned with the direction Obama is taking the country.

  369. I just want to note that someone writing “media whore” on Palin’s bus is clearly a misogynist slur.

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    Good point. That might cut the suspect pool in half.

  370. Here’s what the MedPageToday article is talking about.

    http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/Medicaid/26808
    Medicaid to Quit Paying for Preventable Events
    [….]
    In 2008, Medicare stopped reimbursing hospitals for treating conditions, infections, or illnesses that were acquired in the hospital, and for any readmissions associated with treating those hospital-acquired conditions.

    The Medicaid list of what is preventable mirrors the Medicare list, which includes transfusing the wrong blood type; falls that result in dislocation, fractures, or head injuries; burns and electric shocks; catheter-associated urinary tract infections; surgical site infections after bariatric surgery or coronary artery bypass; and manifestations of poor glycemic control.

  371. rgb44hrc
    June 2nd, 2011 at 12:09 pm
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    Funny.

    Another question: Mr. Øbama, what is your favorite day of the week? Answer: Sunday, because when all those suckers are in church, there’s less people on the golf course.

  372. How about this for a bumper sticker: In 2012 Obama wants only 3 things: your vote, your life savings and your soul. (Picture of the Chicago ghoul). Don’t get bamboozled!

  373. And this is why Palin will not be the Repub candidate. Found this on a conservative website. I am not so naive to think it is the only ‘reason’ not to vote for her.

    ****************************

    I’ve hit Romney pretty hard over RomneyCare myself but I’ll say this for the guy…he managed to serve his full term.

  374. Why Barack Obama may be heading for electoral disaster in 2012
    By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: June 2nd, 2011

    Grinning on the outside only?

    On a recent visit to London I was struck by how much faith many British politicians, journalists and political advisers have in Barack Obama being re-elected in 2012. In the aftermath of the hugely successful Special Forces operation that took out Osama Bin Laden and a modest spike in the polls for the president, the conventional wisdom among political elites in Britain is overwhelmingly that Obama will win another four years in the Oval Office. Add to this a widespread perception of continuing disarray in the Republican race, as well as a State Visit to London that had the chattering classes worshipping at the feet of the US president, and you can easily see why Obama’s prospects look a lot rosier from across the Atlantic.

    But back in the United States, the reality looks a lot different. Many political leaders in Britain fail to understand the degree to which the American people are deeply unhappy with their president’s poor handling of the economy. Nor have they grasped the epic scale of the defeat suffered by the president in the November mid-terms, and the emphatic rejection by a clear majority of Americans of the Big Government Obama agenda.

    Just seven months ago, the United States was swept by a conservative revolution that fundamentally transformed the political landscape on Capitol Hill, and gravely weakened the ability of the president to pass legislation. This revolution is not in retreat but gaining ground, led by charismatic figures such as Paul Ryan, the Reaganite chairman of the House Budget Committee, entrusted with reining in out of control government spending. And as a Gallup poll showed, America is unquestionably a conservative country ideologically, but one that is ironically led by the most left-wing president in the nation’s history.

    Ultimately, the 2012 presidential election will be decided by the state of the economy, and new data released this week makes grim reading for the White House. In fact you cannot watch a US financial news network at the moment, from Bloomberg to CNBC to Fox Business, without a great deal of pessimism about the dire condition of the world’s biggest economy. 66 percent of Americans now worry the federal government will run out of money in the face of towering public debts.

    To say this has been an extremely bad week for the Obama administration on the economic front would be a serious understatement. As The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, home prices in the United States have sunk to their lowest levels since 2002, falling 4.2 percent in the first quarter of 2011. At the same time, employment growth is stalling, with only 38,000 Americans added to the workforce in May, the smallest increase since September. This compares with 179,000 jobs added in April. There has also been a steep slowdown in the manufacturing sector, and a downturn in the stock market on the back of weak economic news.

    Bill Clinton’s labour secretary Robert Reich summed up the grim mood in a hard-hitting op-ed in The Financial Times, which took aim at both the administration and Congress:

    The US economy was supposed to be in bloom by late spring, but it is hardly growing at all. Expectations for second-quarter growth are not much better than the measly 1.8 per cent annualised rate of the first quarter. That is not nearly fast enough to reduce America’s ferociously high level of unemployment… Meanwhile, housing prices continue to fall. They are now 33 per cent below their 2006 peak. That is a bigger drop than recorded in the Great Depression. Homes are the largest single asset of the American middle class, so as housing prices drop many Americans feel poorer. All of this is contributing to a general gloominess. Not surprisingly, consumer confidence is also down.

    Unsurprisingly, the polls are again looking problematic for the president. The latest Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll shows just 25 percent of Americans strongly approving of Obama’s performance, with 36 percent strongly disapproving, for a Presidential Approval Index rating of minus 11 points. In a projected match up between Obama and a Republican opponent, the president now trails by two points according to Rasmussen – 43 to 45. The RealClear Politics poll of polls shows just over a third of Americans (34.5 percent) agreeing that the country is heading in the right direction, with nearly three fifths (56.8 percent) believing it is heading down the wrong track. That negative figure rises to a staggering 66 percent of likely voters in a new Rasmussen survey, including 41 percent of Democrats.

    There is no feel good factor in America at the moment. But there is a great deal of uncertainty, nervousness, even fear over the future of the world’s only superpower. This is hardly a solid foundation for a presidential victory for the incumbent. Even though we don’t know yet who he will be up against, Barack Obama could well go into 2012 as the underdog rather than the favourite he is frequently portrayed as. On balance we’re likely to see a very close race 17 months from now. But there is also the distinct possibility of an electoral rout of the president if the economy goes further south. “Hope and change” might have played well in 2008, but it is a message that will likely ring hollow in November 2012, with an American public that is deeply disillusioned with the direction Obama is taking the country.

  375. Re: “What we have seen … is a simulated recovery”
    —————–
    Yesterday, a local station had this to say about the housing situation:
    From the station which bills itself as having the most trusted local news anchors:

    HOME PRICES DROP AGAIN
    June 1, 2011
    The projected come back of the housing market has taken a turn for the worst. The national housing market has made a double dip in housing prices in the last five years. In the Poconos prices have hit rock bottom. Local realtors say it hasn’t seen a drop this low since the great depression. The increase number of foreclosed houses is partly to blame because it reduces the value of homes it surrounds.
    Realtors say 2010 was supposed to be the housing markets come back year but now they don’t expect change for another four more years.
    http://www.brctv13.com/local_news.shtml

    The video of this broadcast is much more comprehensive and grammatically correct, but only this brief text is available for internet access.)

  376. Here is another idea for a bumper sticker

    Left side of page: the Chicago ghoul graphic

    Right side of sticker: text to read:

    The promise of 2008: hope and change

    The reality of 2012: despair and paralysis

    Don’t be bamboozled!!!

    Picture of the Chicago ghoul in right side of paper.

  377. Re Weiner, more good sense from Cannonfire:

    [ Genette is the woman who received the famous photo ]

    Gennette’s statement. Judging from the recent right-wing commentary, the righties now seem willing to take her statement at face value, as I always did. Well. Glad to hear that.
    But if you accept that she is telling the truth, you can’t pick and choose her words. She says that she never received an inappropriate communication from Weiner. Her story concurs with his statement that he sent her only boilerplate.
    Are we really supposed to believe that a sitting congressman would send a picture of his crotch to a girl he has never met, never spoken to, and with whom he has never really communicated? A girl he knows nothing about? A girl whose photo he had never seen? A girl who (as far as he knew) might have been 78 years old?

  378. BUYER’S REMORSE OF UNQUALIFIED ROOKIES?

    Mother Jones’ Andy Kroll here:

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/republican-governor-unpopular-obama-president

    says that Repub rookie guvs offer “good news for Obama’s re-election bid”:

    “From Wisconsin to Florida, voters are nursing a bad case of buyer’s remorse concerning the rookie Republican governors they elected in 2010.”
    &&&&&&

    Ummm, dude. Voters have buyers remorse about the ineffective rookie currently in the White House.

    These people will smoke anything to keep that hopium high going. And to what benefit. If anything, the Mother Jones crowd should be pointing out that Obama is barely any different than Bush, that they were duped, and that they are sorry they foisted him on unsuspecting readers and followers.

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