The Dick Cheney Assassination Ring

As we warned yesterday, early reports about events surrounding the death of Bin Laden will not be completely accurate for a while, if ever. We cited as an example of misinformation early reports that Bin Laden was dead a week earlier than now acknowledged to be the case.

The latest series of revisions are that Bin Laden did not have a “weapon”, the woman killed was not his wife, and the woman was not used as some sort of “shield. The superlatest reports are that Bin Laden was in a room, unarmed, with his small children and at least one wife, no other men in the room, just before he was shot. What these new developments confirm is that our analysis from yesterday is exactly correct: just about everyone involved wanted Bin Laden dead, not captured, and politically correct Barack Obama issued a “kill” order because he did not want to face the prospect of what to do with a live Bin Laden.

As we wrote, Barack Obama did not want to irritate the “Arab street” by holding a high profile Muslim (or is it the non-Muslim buried with Muslim rites?) terrorist (or is he just a wayward criminal to be tried in civilian courts?) and Obama certainly did not want to find housing for Osama at Guantanamo and Barack Obama understood fully how difficult it would be for himself the moment he decided to torture Bin Laden or not torture Bin Laden. So Obama issued a “kill” order instead of capturing Bin Laden and squeezing information and agony out of his miserable existence.

The kill order was carried out by Dick Cheney’s Assassination Ring. What is the Dick Cheney Assassination Ring? Why they are the latest heroes of the Obama Dimocratic Left:

“In 2009, Seymour Hersh claimed the special operations group that took down Osama bin Laden on May 1 was Cheney’s “secret assassination ring.”:

“After 9/11, I haven’t written about this yet, but the Central Intelligence Agency was very deeply involved in domestic activities against people they thought to be enemies of the state. Without any legal authority for it. They haven’t been called on it yet.”

Hersh then went on to describe a second area of extra-legal operations: the Joint Special Operations Command. “It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently,” he explained. “They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. … Congress has no oversight of it.”

It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on,” Hersh stated. “Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.”

Barack Obama borrowed “Dick Cheney’s Assassination Ring” and Obama Hopium gobblers are either so desperate or so hypocritical they are cheering on the “death squad”. Is it desperation or hypocrisy or both? We suspect its both. Their history indicates it is both. Obama supporters have a long history of hypocrisy and desperate desire to worship the golden calf:

“Cue former MSNBC host (and forthcoming news host at Al Gore’s Current TV) Keith Olbermann. Olbermann pushed this story on his “Countdown” show in 2009, saying:

Mr. Hersh is making the revelations at a forum in Minnesota two nights ago. The topic: America’s constitutional crisis. Hersh saying of Mr. Cheney and his inner circle, quote, “They ran a government within the government.” Adding, “Eight or nine neoconservatives took over our country.”

Hersh’s bombshell allegations about the assassination ring, the result of reporting for a book he says might be still a year or two away from being published. Hersh is telling MinnPost.com in an email after the event, that the disclosures are, quote, “not something he wanted to dwell about in public.”

However, no sooner than two years later did Olby change his tune when the same squad that he called an “assassination ring” was responsible for the death of Osama bin Laden. On his “FOK News Channel” website, Mr. Olbermann now salutes these heroic individuals.”

We’re too kind to post the video evidence. We exhume this unpleasantness because of the shameless reaction among Obama supporters since Sunday night.

The very people who denounced George W. Bush as a “cowboy” are now celebrating and posting pictures of Obama with a cowboy hat on. The very people who denounced George W. Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” are hawking “Obama Got Osama” T-shirts. The very people who denounced George W. Bush for exploiting 9/11 are now cheering that Obama will hold a publicity stunt this Thursday at ground zero.

Newsweek released a poll today wherein Obama got zero “bounce”. “The clear reason: It’s the economy, stupid.” The Washington Post/ABC poll headlined “Osama bin Laden killing gives Obama quick but limited ratings boost.” The Post analysis states the death of bin Laden “might not translate easily to other areas.” Rasmussen polls still have Obama with an approval index of minus ten. The CNN poll showed a one point rise in approval.

For meager and ephemeral poll results such as these Barack Obama supporters have essentially become George W. Bush policy supporters. It was not Barack Obama’s sweet talk, black face, corrupt bowing to the corrupt, or even a big dull speech to the Muslim world that did the job. Whether you hate or admire George W. Bush his policies received a big boost Sunday night because essentially the Obama Dimocrat opposition adopted wholesale, again, Bush doctrine and policy.

Glenn Greenwald is trying to hold together the burnt remains of what used to be a Obama/left critique of American policy on torture and related issues. Greenwald admits he is essentially alone. Greenwald is abandoned by the Obama Hopium Guzzlers who are ostentatiously celebrating within larger “patriotic” crowds, not the victory for the United States but rather Barack Obama, in the hope that their calculated cheer will be a biological contaminant that infects those who see Barack Obama for the little clown he is.

This Thursday the Obama hypocrite left will cheer and hope Obama fever is back as numbers sluice up the polling thermometer. They will cheer and hope Obama fever will turn to tribal dances when the Bin Laden pictures are released. They will cheer and hope that the release of the burial video and perhaps the operations video will do the trick. But the history of military quickies giving birth to presidential second terms is a history of miscarriages.

Did these Obama supporters now cheering the black cowboy ever have any principles? Did they really ever think that countries should not violate the sovereignty of other countries? Did they ever really believe what they said about the unitary executive, renditions, torture, targeted assassinations, FISA, spying, predator drones, water-boarding, military action… anything? Did they ever have any principles and rule of law guiding star? No, it has all been a cult. An unprincipled cult. Osama would be proud to call that cult his own.

Those that booed a Republican now cheer a Dimocrat for pretty much doing the same thing. Republicans, though a touch churlish and demanding that George W. Bush and waterboarding get the appropriate “credit”, are mostly sticking by their principles and applauding the actions and the actors, including Barack Obama, that got bin Laden. It’s easy for these Republicans to stand by their principles because other than personality preferences they face no quandary about the takedown of the hated Bin Laden.

Bush supporters are rightly jubilant as Barack Obama is the third Bush term:

“They told me that if I voted for McCain, we’d get a continuation of Bush’s wartime policies. AND THEY WERE RIGHT!” [snip]

As details emerged yesterday on how Osama bin Laden was killed and how the information was obtain that led to that dramatic moment, more and more Americans were reminded that President Obama was building upon the infrastructure that President Bush and his administration very quickly assembled in the wake of 9/11. Like Switzer building upon Jimmy Johnson’s efforts, President Obama was lucky enough, in spite of his own efforts to the contrary, not to dismantle it. Or as Professor William A. Jacobson quips at Legal Insurrection, “Obama may be re-elected because George Bush had the good sense not to listen to Obama.”

There is no question at all that Republicans/conservatives have a right to gloat because it is their policies that took down Osama bin Laden. It was not a criminal complaint in the federal courts, it was not a Kumbaya drum circle that rationally convinced the murderous Bin Laden to sell flowers in airports and give up his nogoodnik ways.

Obama Dimocrats, face a quandary because they are the ones who attacked George W. Bush and even Hillary Clinton, for not living up to their ever so high and pure standards. Hillary Clinton supporters never believed in “celestial choirs”, “no preconditions, personality politics over interest politics, sloth, or the magic of being a Big Media darling. Now the very same Obama Dimocrats who denounced the “squad of assassins” cheer the “Dick Cheney Assassination Ring”.

The cult of Obama knows no shame. For a few miserable days, at most weeks, of poll upticks, they cheer on their clown. If it was Bush or Cheney the roars of outrage and cries of violated sovereignty would have been heard from the Obama cheerleaders mingling into crowds.

All that nonsense from Obama about a “new politics” and a “reset” for America in the world was… nonsense. All that talk about “rule of law” from the silly Obama believers is jettisoned. From now on the hatred of “assassination rings, executive hit squads, executive actions, wet jobs” are as dead as a partially eaten corpse in the Arabian Sea.

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188 thoughts on “The Dick Cheney Assassination Ring

  1. “If it was Bush or Cheney the roars of outrage and cries of violated sovereignty would have been heard from the Obama cheerleaders mingling into crowds. ”

    And this is why there will be no geniune bounce in the poles, the hypocraisy of these people is an amazing thing to watch. The only one will aid that bounce are the disaffected moveon liberals, independents are that for a reason, we can see through BS pretty easily, many many Hillary dems are now independents.

    And the more Waffles tries to take his victory lap, especially away from the brave and persistent US armed forces & the intellegience agents who have spent years doing their jobs out of the spotlight, the more the thud in Waffle’s approval will continue.

  2. admin have you seen the article that the WH contacted some small CA newspaper because they described Waffle’s wife as snooty? I find this amazing that they try to control an image of her that people know about but refuse to acknowledge.

  3. The more hopium spread around, the more things remain the same. It’s like a drug-induced haze for the last two and a half years. One will wake up with a fierce hangover.

  4. Admin, I will repeat my comment from the last thread here and would like you to comment on it. Thanks.
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    I knew it! Capturing Osama was out of the question because the nitwits Obama and his AG Holder could not have handled such a big challenge in spite of their prevarication to their lefty base and with 2012 round the corner it was a kill mission from the get go. What incompetent hypocrites!

    OkieAtty, you must have seen this. from March 2010:

    WASHINGTON – Osama Bin Laden will be brought to justice in a body bag, not a court of law, a fired-up Attorney General Eric Holder told lawmakers Tuesday.

    Holder, fed up with Republicans who call him soft on terrorists, startled lawmakers by seeking to debunk that image, in vivid terms.

    “The reality is that we will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama Bin Laden – he will never appear in an American courtroom,” the nation’s chief enforcement officer told a stunned House hearing.

    GOP congressmen tried to pummel the nation’s top law enforcement official over giving terrorists the same constitutional rights in civilian courts as American defendants, such as the now-unlikely lower Manhattan trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

    Holder said terrorists are treated like the murderers they are in federal courts – or, more specifically, “like Charles Manson.”

    When Rep. John Culberson (R-Tex.) said that if Bin Laden himself were arrested, it would be absurd to give him the same due process afforded Manson, Holder erupted.

    Charges he coddles terrorists get his “blood boiling,” the attorney general conceded. He followed with a Bin Laden prediction that was reminiscent of ex-President George W. Bush’s “dead or alive” misfire eight years ago about nailing the Al Qaeda leader.

    Holder repeated – slowly – to the Texas congressman that “the possibility simply does not exist” that Bin Laden will ever be arraigned in any court.

    Culberson sputtered that military tribunals are better because they afford Al Qaeda goons less constitutional protections than civilian courts.

    “They’re not put up against a wall and shot,” Holder barked back.

    As for Bin Laden’s ultimate fate, he referred to efforts to kill the Al Qaeda leader in his Pakistan lair, and to the testimony of captured bodyguards that they had orders to kill Bin Laden with a bullet or bomb belt if his pursuers ever got close.

    “The possibility of capturing him alive is infinitesimal – he will be killed by us or he will be killed by his own people,” Holder said.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/03/17/2010-03-17_holder_hope_bin_laden_in_a_body_bag_not_on_trial.html#ixzz1LLJrFvcl

  5. tim
    May 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
    admin have you seen the article that the WH contacted some small CA newspaper because they described Waffle’s wife as snooty?

    You know who must get up every morning and Google News their own name to find that little story. It just shows this WH’s obsession with image. It does not matter if it is the truth just concerned with how it looks.

  6. hahaha- Someone goosed Holder.

    Good, Holder lost his cool.

    Time for him to spend more time with his family.

  7. Did these Obama supporters now cheering the black cowboy ever have any principles?
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    No, they supported voting fraud to get him nominated. That tells you all you need to know about their principles.

  8. On FRONTLINE tonight-

    new discussion:

    “Militant and Foreign Fighters in Afghanistan pledge loyalty
    to Osama Bin Laden.”

  9. @admin: “Barack Obama borrowed “Dick Cheney’s Assassination Ring” and Obama Hopium gobblers are either so desperate or so hypocritical they are cheering on the “death squad”. Is it desperation or hypocrisy or both? We suspect its both. Their history indicates it is both. Obama supporters have a long history of hypocrisy and desperate desire to worship the golden calf:”
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    You did comment on it, 😉 (should have read the post first).

  10. Great post Admin.

    And yes, Barry is still George III..

    I honestly don’t think the fraud is following Bush policies because he agrees with them, I think it’s because he can’t come up with anything different. It’s another case of, “What he said…”, the same way he tried to steal Hillary’s policies when he didn’t know what to do.

    Barry changed some of Hillary’s polities to show he was a ‘stud’, like saying, “No one will be forced to get my Health Care plan, like Hillary will FORCE you to do, I will give a $2500 check to buy the insurance you want that will be like I get in the Senate.”

    Yea, we saw how that worked out.

    How about all the folks he hired for the economy, and they turned tail and ran back to their old jobs after our economy went broke.

    Barry wasn’t a good student, he wasn’t full Professor, we know what happened to his law degree. We know how he voted in the Senate, ‘Present’ is all he could muster because he couldn’t care less.

    We all know how long it took for his daughters to get that dog, finally from Uncle Teddy because their father couldn’t care less.

    My best guess is that Barry was more interested in the WhiteHouse Correspondence Dinner and his jokes and digs than making a decision on the Bin Laden take-down. He probably had to be drug to the war room to make a decision, when all of his advisers had already made the decision and had to wait for him to finally agree.

    We would not even know of the take down because the decision would still be pending if it were really left up to Barry Bin Obama.

  11. This is OT but the Ulsterman piece has made it to Memorandum. Panetta’s tour de force of bureaucratic infighting is spreading like wildfire. I want to see how the WH keeps the lid on it. This coupled with stories of waiting 16 hours and then hitting the table and saying “Let’s go” just before going to play golf a couple of time, then go to a party looks bad either way.

    IMHO Obama used the entire Bush/Cheney counter terrorism schtick because he was too lazy to come up with his own take on anything much less anything complex.

  12. Mormaer, this is really big!

    http://memeorandum.com/

    Issues / Socyberty:
    White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden — “What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him -and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound.”

  13. Mormaer
    May 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Good break, if the msm picks up on it- They may get flagged off if it makes their hero look like the mouse that he is sitting in a corner waiting to be fed.

    The OBL story has broken Trump’s momentum. The story needs to go viral… Twitter?

  14. for those who send emails to greta and H (and O’R)…they should make sure they all get the ‘insider’ story…both of them that were posted (ulsterman and socyberty)

    I heard one of the republican representatives on cnn say that Pannetta did a fantastic job…I think the word is getting out…

    but it needs to spread far and wide…

  15. pm317

    LOL, Trump will be back. He has plenty of ammunition here. 🙂
    ———-

    Yes, and Trump said paying Pakistan, and not getting info on Bin Laden had to stop. He thought if the money was threatened to be withheld, they would shove Bin Laden at the WH door ASAP.

    Turned out Bin Laden was in Pakistan, and now there will be an investigation along with tons of data recovered from the cement ‘mansion’ dump penthouse to see if there is proof that Pakistan was harboring him.

  16. Pannetta did a fantastic job, so did Hillary, so did Gates, and most importantly the US military, navy seals, and the CIA intelligence agents.
    Barry was just there for the picture, it sounds like.

  17. Ulsterman’s report puts Barack between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, if we go with the premise that Panetta gave the order and Obuma hesitated, aren’t we saying Obama is ineffective as CiC and on the other, if he goes on his victory lap claiming credit, isn’t he the incompetent hypocrite who used the despicable Cheney’s assassination ring? Oh, my, Obummer is in trouble either way.

    Althouse is running a thread on this topic as well and of course saying in a muted way that Obuma wanted him killed rather than captured. Comments there are more in the vein of ‘I wanted bin Laden dead but not assassinated.’

  18. You can’t beat Twitter- for getting the info out.

    Even if the news heads hesitate, the word is out on the street, they have to jump on it.

  19. Trump should pickup on Panetta calling the shots while the COC was unavailable needed to sleep on it after playing gulf.

  20. A comic version of today’s article by a Republican/conservative has been located: 🙂

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/05/american-pride-is-back.html

    Well, I can happily report that I completely underestimated the skill, courage, and perseverence of America’s military. And, almost as happily, I can report that I also completely underestimated the capacity of America’s erstwhile “peace community” for turning on a dime and embracing the kind of all-American xenophobic flag-waving bloodlust they only recently decried. So today I stand proudly with my new friends of the formerly antiwar left in a mindlessly jingoistic salute to President Obama for an extralegal military assassination well done.

    Yes, it’s true that some pre-January 2009 antiwar activists have remained morally and logically consistent in their opposition to America’s military presence in the Mideast; but, thank God, it appears now they were only a tiny, insignificant minority. Recent events have happily made clear that the antiwar movement of 2001-8 was overwhelmingly dominated by a vast silent hypocritical majority of craven political opportunists awaiting a Democratic administration to gleefully celebrate the covert execution of a man whom, until 28 months ago, they would have described as a “tragic civilian casualty.”

    Who is to credit for this rebirth in American national unity? First and foremost, we must cite the leadership of President Obama. Like many Americans – and the Nobel Peace Prize committee – I naively feared he was actually serious when he initially proposed shutting down Guantanamo, trying detainees in American civilian courts, and prior consultation with the international community. Little did I know that this untested young Commander-in-Chief would muster the courage to read his weekly Gallup numbers and, in one daring unilateral extra-judicial targeted hit job, toss aside every single idiotic foreign policy principle of his election campaign. Perhaps most satisfyingly, it was a mission made possible thanks to information extracted by methods he previously banned as “illegal torture.

    But this triumphant new era in situationally-unified American bloodlust does not belong to the President alone; we must also cite Congress’s born-again waterboarders like Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and their newfound enthusiasm for what (at least until 9pm Sunday) they would have once considered illegal military murder squads. Neither can we forget the watchdogs of America’s press, who have shown unprecedented ethical flexibility in shedding their long-held Gandhi moralism and embracing their inner Rambo.

    Thanks to leaders like these, American pride is temporarily back out of the closet. And I for one take great personal satisfaction in knowing that when I’m high-fiving a random fellow American and robotically chanting “USA! USA!” at the news that Bin Laden is finally shark chum, there’s a pretty good chance that the guy was, only a few years ago, denying his love for unauthorized secret CIA-planned assassinations. Welcome to the pride parade everybody!

    Of course, I’m not naive enough to think our current wave of national unity will last forever. At some point, possibly after the next election, American troops will once again assume their traditional role of psychotic baby-killing objects of fear and pity. And, doubtlessly, those of us who still admire them must once again assume our traditional role as America’s flag-humping racist chickenhawks. But when that day comes, we can look back at the week of May 1, 2011 and realize that it isn’t personal. Hey, that’s just the way the chad crumbles.

  21. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54160.html

    [O]ne Democratic communications hand sent advice to a slew of other Democratic operatives in the wake of the announcement hammering on the need to make sure Obama comes out on top.

    “In your day jobs, do not let Republicans turn this into continuing the Bush legacy. This has to be about Obama’s decisive leadership,” the guidance said. “He is the one who oversaw bringing bin Laden to justice, much like how Bush failed to do so at Tora Bora and then claimed Osama wasn’t a priority.”…

    Bin Laden’s death, said Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), is “the ‘Mission Accomplished’ moment President Bush only fantasized about.”

  22. We all know he has the media in his pocket an they were waiting for something like this to prop up their messiah again. The thing is, they don’t even pretend to be objective. You see Barbara Walters comments, Chris Mathews, and even on the night of the special report, I found it odd the Wolf Blitzer, who had not yet confirmed OBL death, said something to the efeect that the White House called to advise that they felt CNN was handling the report very responsibly!!! Has there ever been a White House that literally has 99.9% of the press acting as propaganda messengers for it? Granted, he deserves some credit for making the ground force decision as opposed to an attack by air, but most Presidents have very littel to do with the operational and planning stage other than to sign on or veto.

  23. btw…caught barney frank on cnn with spitzer…and barney sounded a lot like Donald Trump…barney did not come out and say he was for T but ironically a lot of what he said is what T has been saying…also Dana Rohrabacker (CA-R)also sounding like T…saying Pakistan is “laughing at us…they take our money and think we are fools…they are working with our enemies and we still give them billions”

    (many voices starting to sound like mini-Trumps)

    bla, bla…this is where T can make his re-entry…he is smart to lay low now…be a respectful New Yorker and American…and re-group as things begin to shift…

    T has the right message…soon we will be back to what is happening in everyday, regular people’s lives…jobs, gas, ‘the debt ceiling’ discussion, all the money we are giving to these countries while we are falling apart at home…Dana R said there is something like another $6 billion or something in the pipeline for Pakistan…

    these are some of the things T will be able to bring to the forefront and pound away at…but not right now…this is a sensitive time…we have a long way to go…the tide will turn and T will get his time to shine…and now he can start with Pakistan to make one of his points…

  24. We’ve been at this a long time, S-

    What is happening now is a preemptive strike on the Bin Laden Kill book coming out on May 25th. I expect Obama has a movie in the works as well and why Spielberg and Soderberg were at the WHCD..

  25. jbstonesfan
    May 3rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    Has there ever been a White House that literally has 99.9% of the press acting as propaganda messengers for it?
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    White House? No. Kremlin, Reichschancelry? Yes.

  26. so O invited Bush, Jr to be with him at Ground Zero and Bush, Jr declined…

    Can you blame him…even Bushie can smell a set-up…wouldn’t surprise anyone for O to have Bushie there as a prop for him…throw bushie and bone and then pivot and O gets right into his I, me, my, I am Commander in Chief, bla, bla, bla…

    yeah, like anyone wants to be around this narcissist when he gets started on his long winded self congratulations

  27. Dollars to donuts, Obama has been losing sleep calling Denzel to play him in the OBL movie… and keeps running into his voice mail…hahaha-

  28. Interesting!

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/no_thanks_578d0b74-d901-469e-afa6-b3ab9fe13f42.html

    Former President George W. Bush has turned down President Barack Obama’s invitation to join him at ground zero on Thursday, citing his desire to avoid the media glare.

    “President Bush appreciated the invite, but has chosen in his post-presidency to remain largely out of the spotlight,” Bush spokesman David Sherzer told POLITICO in an email Tuesday night. “He continues to celebrate with all Americans this important victory in the war on terror.”

  29. Now those are the kinda Zingers we are accustomed to-

    The phrase ‘War on Terror’ is forbidden to be spoken in the Obama WH…

    Bush issues a left handed slap with that e-mail.

  30. so O invited Bush, Jr to be with him at Ground Zero and Bush, Jr declined…

    Can you blame him…even Bushie can smell a set-up…wouldn’t surprise anyone for O to have Bushie there as a prop for him…throw bushie and bone and then pivot and O gets right into his I, me, my, I am Commander in Chief, bla, bla, bla…

    yeah, like anyone wants to be around this narcissist when he gets started on his long winded self congratulations
    _______________________________________

    Well, he’s seen what happens in public places when Obama invites you: Justice Roberts, Paul Ryan, Donald Trump …

  31. pm317…Bushie wasn’t going to let O pull a ‘Paul Ryan’ on him…as in, O invites Ryan to his speech and then attacks and insults him during his speech…

    or like when O gave his ‘State of the Union’ a few years ago and attacked the Supreme Court as they were sitting right in front of him…

    OR…like O displayed his mean spiritness and pettiness last Sat as O roasted T at the WH Correspondent’s Dinner…

    …T should have said – ‘the last time I allowed myself to be roasted that way, the roaster donated a big chunk of money to my favorite charity’…(not for petty politics)

  32. ““President Bush appreciated the invite, but has chosen in his post-presidency to remain largely out of the spotlight,” ”

    Waffles makes Bush look better and better everyday. Wouldn’t be surprised if Waffles is now seeing polls that people credit the US military and intel agents more than any president. If Waffles had been genuinely magnamimous on sunday night, never once saying “I”, given a great deal/all of the credit to our armed forces/intel agents, and then saying this struggle started under many administrations, clinton, bush, waffles, with countless many in the military and intel communities working hard in the background from one administration to another, it has now culminated in the capture of a terrorist.
    As much as I cannot stand waffles, if he has done something this selfless, even if just in a speech, I would have stood up in front of my TV and been appaulding.

    Instead, now we have catchup being played by Waffles, so Waffles invites Bush, and Bush correctly declines.

  33. I have gone from disgust for the lame stream media to fear. Watching the blatant fawning over the empty suit is just spooky. I can understand keeping criticism to a minimum during such a time, but these are well educated adults buying into mythology. On CNN some woman/reporter with a really bad nose job was taking every chance to bring up theories and debunk them. It is state run media. Back to only Greta and Brett Behr for me.

  34. and I agree with others who have made the point, Waffles is a thin skinned bully, we’ve seen his alinsky tactics, invite people and then attack them in public, the Sup. ct, paul ryan, congressman rostheburg? of MI, latest being Trump.

    Why would Bush want to sit through a “I inherited” speech etc?? Good for Bush for declining this jerk’s invite.

  35. Why are they now spelling osama as usama? Both Fox and cnn were doing it.
    I downloaded the 9/11 Commission report today(could never bring myself to before) and it is spelled usama in there as well. Strange as I have read excerpts in the past and I don’t recall the u, but it was several years ago when i still had a modicum of respect for the gov’t so could be mistaken.

  36. I just read where Jay Carney just admitted he is all confused because the WH is changing facts in the story- he doesn’t know how to respond to reporters asking him for clarification in the briefing room… 🙂

  37. Congress is giving away another 6 BILLION to Pakistan. Why?

    I hope you read the whole thing: Allahpundit at Hotair

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/03/panetta-we-didnt-tell-pakistan-about-the-raid-because-we-thought-theyd-warn-bin-laden/

    In fact, Panetta’s already revising what he said earlier to make it a bit softer on our trusted allies:

    CIA Director Leon Panetta told House members Tuesday that any way you look at it, Pakistan’s role in Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts was troubling.

    According to two sources in a closed door briefing, Panetta told lawmakers “either they were involved or incompetent. Neither place is a good place to be.”…

    He made clear that he and other administration officials are trying to get to the bottom of which it was -involvement or incompetence.

    Could it have been incompetence? Well, apparently, the Bin Laden family (if not Osama himself) was known to interact with local children. And their activities were sufficiently suspicious for one child to say in hindsight, “There was a rumour in the neighbourhood that the man who lived there was Baitullah Mehsud’s nephew.” Mehsud was a top Taliban field commander until he was liquidated in a U.S. drone strike two years ago; he was accused of, among other things, assassinating Benazir Bhutto, whose husband is now … president of Pakistan. If a rumor was circulating in this military town that a Mehsud family member was living there, one would think government officials might want to pay a visit to this strange, secretive compound and ask the inhabitants what they knew about Baitullah. And yet no one ever came knocking. For six years.

  38. …the ‘insider’ version is catching on…

    atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/skulking-towards-bin-laden-obama-overridden-by-military-and-intel-officials-in-takeout-of-obl.html

    Skulking Towards bin Laden: Obama Overridden by Military and Intel Officials in Takeout of OBL?

    As Obama continues to politicize and mine the takedown of Osama Bin Laden and the outrageous “Islamic burial” that followed, new details emerge of his reluctance and refusal to sign off on the mission. It is the height of hypocrisy and crass opportunism to draw out the release of the death photos so as to prolong the news cycle on the story, and to neglect the tornado-ravaged parts of the country — instead, Obama campaigns at Ground Zero on Thursday for an “O-victory lap,” while it appears that in fact Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the OBL operation.

    The story that follows is deeply disturbing, but hardly surprising. When news broke that Obama rejected bombing the complex last month, one had to wonder why. It was reported that Obama feared collateral damage, despite being assured that the walls of the complex were high enough so that no civilians would be killed. Instead, he risked losing Americans in a mano-a-mano raid.

    A reluctant American president who was ultimately overridden by senior military and intelligence officials to finally take out terrorist Osama Bin Laden… Ulstermann (hat tip CO)

    Note: This communication came from our long time D.C. Insider and details previous and ongoing conflicts surrounding the decision to assassinate terrorist Osama Bin Laden. This has been reproduced here as originally communicated to us.

    …snip…

    continues…

    *********************************************************

    the money line:

    It is the height of hypocrisy and crass opportunism to draw out the release of the death photos so as to prolong the news cycle on the story, and to neglect (insert the list )

  39. Some how the Obot twenty/teens showing up in front of the WH with American flags – seemed like they got a heads up from their dear leader’s network, before it went on teevee.

    How many Obots even have a flag?

  40. jbstonesfan
    May 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Say what you want about Bush, he loved America and Israel, unlike Obama.

    ————————

    I agree.

  41. pm317

    articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-02-23/pakistan/28138643_1_civilian-aid-counterinsurgency-capability-fund-civilian-assistance

    this article in dated 2010 and states we have given Pakistan $18 billion since 2001…Dana R repub from CA said tonight that we are due to give Pakistant $ 6 Billion
    this year for military and civilian assistance…

    calling Mr T…this has to end…we are stupid and no wonder people are laughing at us…

  42. Yup, now comes the spin running counter clockwise to WH spin. Returning spin in kind- Now let them run themselves into the ground…

  43. “Say what you want about Bush, he loved America and Israel, unlike Obama.”

    I agree as well.

  44. How much ya wanna bet bambi will blah blah on Cinqo de Mayo and then say it has been a long ten years and we are a great country that even the scowler is now proud of and yet we have blah blah and we need to work on immigration reform for this great country for so many of the wonderful Mexicans here illegally.

  45. Democrats speaking out at this time aping TRUMP’s words smells fishy to me. Chance to neuter the Donald perhaps, Especially if one of those cretins is the idiot barney frank. Not buying what they are selling.

  46. yes, notice how O picks his fights and attacks his opposition when they are a captive audience…when they cannot fight back…O fights like a wimp…he has to have all kinds of protection and secret service around him…then he is a big man…

    he has sadistic and dictator tendencies…little man…

    cannot wait for the mano y mano (or womano)when he has to stand on his own all by himself…

  47. Comments there are more in the vein of ‘I wanted bin Laden dead but not assassinated.’

    ===============

    That’s idiotic!

  48. May be I paraphrased it wrong, how about ‘I don’t mind that he is dead but would not approve if intentionally assassinated’.

  49. Saying at least Bush loved America and Israel is really setting the bar low…

    …but then again, we have Barry as the new standard for American Presidents and Nobel Peace Prize awards.

  50. henry, I wouldn’t be surprised if Øbama and his handlers requested the change in spelling from Osama to Usama. I admit to seeing the Usama spelling in the past, but it was rarely used. Being that Øbama and Øsama are just one letter away from being the same, Valerie Jarrett probably demanded the change.

    By the way, does anyone know if Valerie Jarrett is a Muslim? Just wondering. I know that she has some Persian background.

  51. I noticed some of the pictures from the “command center” on the web tonight. Do any of you give any importance to the seating arrangements in the photos. For example, do you think Hillary was seated next to people of her own choosing, or do you think the people all just grabbed a seat?

  52. May be I paraphrased it wrong, how about ‘I don’t mind that he is dead but would not approve if intentionally assassinated’.

    ======================

    I’m sorry. I wasn’t faulting your post in any way. Like you, I’ve seen the same idea in comments elsewhere. It’s those posters I’m calling idiotic.

  53. notice how O picks his fights and attacks his opposition when they are a captive audience…when they cannot fight back…

    ==============

    Or does something sneaky behind their back, like getting them bumped off the ballot or revealing their divorce papers.

  54. ‘There was a rumour in the neighbourhood that the man who lived there was Baitullah Mehsud’s nephew,’ said Daniel, referring to the late chief of the Pakistani Taliban.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383067/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Pakistan-spy-agencys-failures-Abbottabad-hideout.html#ixzz1LM4HLbXJ

    What if that was really Baitullah Mehsud’s nephew and not bin Laden who was killed? 😉 If bin Laden was long dead, then who will challenge the current story, number 2 Zawahiri? What if he is also dead?

    Indian newspaper Deccan Herald had a story about bin Laden’s will and that was dated Dec 14, 2001 which I found was strange. Why would he not update it all these years? In it he forbids his sons to join Al Queda, BTW.

  55. . Being that Øbama and Øsama are just one letter away from being the same

    ———
    I can’t tell you how many Obots have called Bin Laden, Obama lately. People that still ‘admire’ the fraud.

    I never make that mistake, and love to laugh in their faces at the mistake.

  56. Because I am an idiot I think I am going to email everyone at ever news organization the definition of a few words
    objectivity
    sexism
    reporting
    news
    unbiased
    brown noser(urban dictionary)
    ethics
    standards
    integrity
    truth
    sheep
    Any and all suggestions are welcome and please feel free to steal the idea and make it your own. Add a link with a video or news clip. Dress it up and send it.
    The view coven could be intensely humorous. I know they are “entertainment”(gack) but they play a role in forging opinion.
    AAGHGH. It may be to late if people vote because of what tom hanks, the coven and the person who tried to buy a network but went belly up like a large sea animal say we are doomed.

  57. Michelle Obama Dances ‘The Dougie’ At Alice Deal Middle School

    (I first saw this on HuffPuff, then saw it was scrubbed off of most sites…found it on youtube.

    MO rockin’ out

  58. Granted, he deserves some credit for making the ground force decision as opposed to an attack by air

    ===============

    Do we even know that? I’m sure the military considered both options. Who says which one the military really wanted? Maybe they faked him out by offering the air strike first, so he could pout and say No.

  59. Shadowfax
    Gotta say that is a michelle I think I could like. She is not a very good dancer and probably isn’t capable of letting go completely(few people can). She seemed awkward a little self conscience and I will never admit to writing this–but human. Who knows how long she has been molded to play a role. Kinda sad.

  60. At least Uri Friedman of The Atlantic is asking the questions:

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/did-us-kill-bin-laden-legally/37306/

    White House spokesman Jay Carney provided new details today on how the U.S. killed Osama bin Laden, explaining that the al-Qaeda leader was unarmed when U.S. forces found him upstairs in his compound and that he “resisted”–resisted how exactly, we don’t know–before U.S. forces fatally shot him in the head and spirited away his body. The account differs from counterterrorism chief John Brennan’s statement yesterday that bin Laden had a weapon, and fuels a spirited–if perhaps academic at this point–debate: Was it legal for the U.S. to kill bin Laden, both under U.S. law and international law? According to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, the answer is yes. Here’s why people are agreeing or disagreeing with him:

    LEGAL

    U.S. at War With Al-Qaeda: Many legal scholars claim the Navy SEALs and bin Laden were enemy combatants. At the Council on Foreign Relations, legal scholar John B. Bellinger III points out that a 2001 congressional act authorizes the U.S. president to use “all necessary and appropriate force” against nations, organizations, or individuals who had a hand in the 9/11 attacks (read bin Laden, among others). He adds that the White House will also argue that “the action was permissible under international law both as a permissible use of force in the U.S. armed conflict with al-Qaeda and as a legitimate action in self-defense, given that bin Laden was clearly planning additional attacks.” Law professor Scott Silliman tells The Christian Science Monitor that the U.S. could have killed bin Laden “even if he was trying to run away.”

    NOT LEGAL

    No Due Process: Nick Grief, a. lawyer at Kent University, tells The Guardian that the attack had the appearance of an “extrajudicial killing without due process of the law,” adding that even Nazi war criminals were given a “fair trial.” The British defense attorney Michael Mansfield similarly worries that “vengeance will become synonymised with justice, and that revenge will supplant ‘due process.'”

    No Attempt to Capture: At The Daily Beast, the human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson argues that criminals should be taken alive if possible, and U.S. forces should have been able to overpower an unarmed bin Laden. “Exactly how bin Laden came to be ‘shot in the head’ … therefore requires explanation,” he writes. Robertson would have captured bin Laden and tried him at an ad hoc tribunal in The Hague with international judges and a jury that included Muslims.

    No Pakistani Consent: The human rights lawyer Curtis Doebbler states at Ahram Online that the killing of bin Laden was carried out without Pakistani authorization and “against the territorial integrity and political independence of a foreign state.” CFR’s Bellinger counters this argument by pointing out that “the Pakistani government appears at least to have consented after the fact to this potential infringement of its sovereignty.”

    Bin Laden’s Leadership in Doubt: If bin Laden no longer wielded the influence over al-Qaeda that he did around the time of 9/11, then he was no longer an enemy combatant as the U.S. defines it, argues Claus Kress, a law professor at the University of Cologne, in an interview with Der Spiegal.

    Raid in Pakistan, Not Afghanistan: The U.S. believes its war against al-Qaeda can be waged across the world, Kress claims, but the actual battlefield of Operation Enduring Freedom is Afghanistan. “It is in no way clear that bin Laden, at the time of his killing, commanded an organization that was conducting an armed conflict either in or from Pakistan,” Kress says.

  61. There was more to that command centre phoo than you think.

    Look at the body language.

    Obama skulking scowling in the corner, that is clearly out of the loop behaviour, no one was looking at him. He looked small in stature, insignificant. Hunched shoulders, show tenseness, mistrust

    Bidens body was clearly not interested. It was a can’t be bothered look.

    Most people were huddled around Hillary, when people gather in a room, they always gravitate towards leaders or people they like, no one wanted to be near poor Barry.

    A number of people had Crossed Arms over Chest.

    Both arms are folded across the chest – this is a universal signal used everywhere. Its meaning is clear, “I don’t agree with what you are saying, I am uncertain, I don’t like this situation”.

  62. moononpluto
    then why would they release that photo. Surely someone in the WH knows something about staging? The photo was a deliberate attempt to send a message.
    Crossed arms can also be a sign of self protection. Don’t touch me kind of thing. As they were watching it unfold those who had participated in something so monumental might have been feeling the heft of a decision and pulled their arms to their bodies as a natural reaction. You can find people in the waiting area of emergency rooms pacing the floor with the arms wrapped around their chest. I think there it is a leave me alone, like a turtle going into its shell the body/mind protecting itself.

    What I found interesting about it was that bambi was the smallest figure in the room.
    I am befuddled as to why the communications director would opt to release this photo. He is dressed casually and slumped over.

  63. Obama skulking scowling in the corner, that is clearly out of the loop behaviour, no one was looking at him. He looked small in stature, insignificant.

    ================

    Wearing odd soft clothes, his golf outfit? Having just been rushed back from the course to a meeting already in progress?

  64. The stature bothers me most– sit up buddy this isn’t the last few seconds of a Bull’s game but several Americans risking their life on your orders. Commander in Chief? Well then look the part and show those risking life and limb a little respect.

  65. turndownobama,
    I think you should also tell on them for having styrofoam/paper cups on the table.
    Mother nature no like that

  66. You know, the ideal thing would be that the killing and burial are a hoax, and what they really did in the raid was capture Osama alive and he is really hidden away in a CIA cellar being interrogated forever.

  67. bemused leftist,
    Sorry M. N. dropped her web account something about each search destroying redwoods.
    Before she closed her facebook account she did post on her wall that the best way to reach her was to bay at the moon.

  68. and when he is not being interrogated he has to watch the OWN network

    ………………………….

    Who needs waterboarding, you’d fess up in 10 secs….Nooooooooooooooooo not Oprah, please god no.

  69. stunning post admin. I’d scooped up a quote from it to segue to the following, but replaced the clipboard with something else and now the original scoop seems to have ‘disappeared’. Will continue anyway. The subject/title is Veteran Reaction, and from my favorite news source, NJN News (for Tuesday). Report taped at Jobs Expo for Military in Cherry Hill NJ: Military reaction is more subdued. Active soldiers have no comment. Retired say it’s a great day, express questions of increased threats, but are most concerned about getting employment because the rate is 9%, while for vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan it is 12%
    Video is at http://www.njn.net/news/watch/
    Select Tuesday May 3rd if necessary. This report begins approx @ 4:40

    On Monday a very small new organization aired a tremendous story which I’ve asked them to release to YouTube, but the suggestion was rejected by a director there. Here is the text provided by the reporter … but it does not hold a candle to the tape:

    OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
    May 2, 2011
    The death of Osama bin Laden has Americans across the nation celebrating but for many residents in the Poconos its a time to reflect on those lost on 9/11. For many living in the Poconos, the area has been a place to get away from the danger of the city and the memories 9/11. Those who have transplanted themselves here from the city say the death of Osama bin Laden is a triumph for the United States, but it’s hard to be excited after all that has been lost on that tragic day. Many residents in the area who come from New York say Osama bin Laden death is [sic] won’t keep terrorism from the city and that is why they will continue to live here.

  70. henry
    May 4th, 2011 at 2:49 am

    J’lem imam: Obama will soon hang
    ________________

    Oh Boy!..

    Bad Boys whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you-

    Bambi backed into a corner? Might affect the stream of overseas money too! Oh, horrors!

  71. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/no-dignity-ground-zero-frat-boy

    This makes me very annoyed. I completely understand the people in nyc cheering, etc, it was not staged, they were happy that the murdering terrorist was finally killed. The DC gathering, in front of the WH, I felt was staged, especially when one sees just as many Waffle’s signs, or more, than the American flag.

    But the fact that this new muslim american naturalizes citizen goes to a british paper to bash American’s joy is even more annoying, if you cannot see why Americans are happy this bastard is dead and taken out by american armed forces, if you really cannot see this, maybe you just go back to whatever country your came from!
    There are foreign nationals in this country who love America and would gladly and proudly accept your american citizenship spot.

  72. I doubt Bambi will be golfing any time soon-

    Something has caused a boomerang that may affect his swing…

  73. AmericanGal
    May 4th, 2011 at 7:29 am

    White House Struggles to Get Story Straight on Raid
    ________________

    I remember the scene in “Enemy of the State”. Will Smith, Gene Hackman and Jon Voight are in the surveillance van. Voight is holding a gun on Hackman prepared to fire if he doesn’t get “the tape”. Smith pipes up says he knows where the tape is… They drive on to a mafia owned restaurant. The restaurant is under FBI surveillance. Smith announces he is not going in without Voight…right in to a circular firing squad…

  74. admin
    May 4th, 2011 at 1:25 am
    ————————
    One more interesting article on that topic.

    US President Barack Obama gets precious few opportunities to announce a victory. So it’s no wonder he chose grand words on Sunday night as the TV crews’ spotlights shone upon him and he informed the nation about the deadly strike against Osama bin Laden. “Justice has been done,” he said.

    It may be that this sentence comes back to haunt him in the years to come. What is just about killing a feared terrorist in his home in the middle of Pakistan? For the families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks, and for patriotic Americans who saw their grand nation challenged by a band of criminals, the answer might be simple. But international law experts, who have been grappling with the question of the legal status of the US-led war on terror for years, find Obama’s pithy words on Sunday night more problematic.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,760358,00.html

  75. This makes sense. What is he to do if they came and told him they found bin Laden? Even then he took months and then ‘slept on it’. Consider as the conversation goes below if he had not done anything. It would have been worse than missing bin Laden in Tora Bora.

    Here’s a former Navy SEAL calling in to Rush Limbaugh’s show yesterday:

    CALLER: …I believe that President Obama’s hand was forced in this, and this is really just a crass political decision. When I hear people say that this took courage, I just believe he was absolutely forced into doing this.

    RUSH: Yeah, because somebody came and said, “We got Osama.” So he’s got to do something.

    CALLER: Exactly.

    RUSH: We’ve got Osama so we’ve got to do something….

    CALLER: If he wouldn’t have acted I assure you the information would have been leaked prior to the election cycle.

    RUSH: Yeah.

    CALLER: And he would have had to have dealt with that, and frankly if that came to knowledge late in the election cycle, our next president would be either Hillary Clinton or whoever the Republicans nominated.

  76. The account differs from counterterrorism chief John Brennan’s statement yesterday that bin Laden had a weapon, and fuels a spirited–if perhaps academic at this point–debate: Was it legal for the U.S. to kill bin Laden, both under U.S. law and international law?
    —————–
    There is no doubt in my mind that Brennan lied. I know a guy in a prior Administration who was probably his boss. He said Brennan WAS a good man, but he has become a complete political whore in this administration. Hence,I do believe he lied, and this is hardly the first time. If failure to accept the party line on what this administration says about anything make you a conspiracy nut, then I plead guilty. That is far better than being a credulous fool who swallows the crap which they and their big media propagandists pedal hook line and sinker. Those people are naive and lack critical thinking skills.

  77. I agree with this. Imagine what could have been if he were captured. But we all know Obama was not up to that challenge.

    Early reports are conflicted, but it appears that bin Laden was not armed. He did not have a large retinue of bodyguards—only three other people, the two couriers and bin Laden’s adult son, were killed. Special forces units using nonlethal weaponry might have taken bin Laden alive, as with other senior al Qaeda leaders before him.

    If true, one of the most valuable intelligence opportunities since the beginning of the war has slipped through our hands.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834804576301032595527372.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

  78. Wednesday, May 04, 2011
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    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 24% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13 (see trends).

    Wasn’t he up to -10 yesterday? Could he be experiencing a negative bounce?

  79. First, I think that the photo is worth a thousand words, or declarations of his leadership. The people in the room, except for O, look like they have been following this event, and Hillary looks like she is concerned for the people executing their orders. O looks like he was just called in off the Golf course for a photo op.

    Second, I have been bothered by the display of joy shown by the American people. I wish they had come out and said, we have destroyed the leader of the 9/11 attack, but we take no pleasure in this as it took so long, and so many people have suffered. You can be assured that this is not the end of this, as another will take his place. We can only hope that this will gives the American people who have suffered so much some sense of justice. Please do not demonstrate, but call or show your support of the people who carried the burden of the 9/11 event. The family members who have survived, and the Milary families who have made the greatest sacrifice deserve our support at this time.

    I don’t understand why our portraying ourselves like the response we saw from some at 9/11 is felt to be the proper response. In fact it makes us look no better than the enemy. If you think burning the Koran would upset them, what do you think this has done for them.

    I have always felt that when you have to perform a deplorable act, you do the deed, walk away, and fine no pleasure in it. I can only hope that it give the surviving families some sense of jutstice.

  80. Here is some insight from one of the sharpest knives in the door . . . . Jay Cost. One interesting point to note: the clinton-obama class warfare angle. That is what I observed on the campaign trail state after state. The middle class and poor were Hillary’s constituents, and the uber wealthy and blacks and callow youth were in Obama’s corner.
    ————————————————–

    Democrats Should Worry about the GOP Field
    6:00 AM, APR 29, 2011 •
    BY JAY COST

    The conventional wisdom is that the emerging Republican field for 2012 is a very weak one. However, like so much else in the topsy-turvy age of Obama, the conventional wisdom on this one is completely upside down. The idea of a weak GOP field is almost as ridiculous as a debate about a fifty-year-old birth certificate just as the economic recovery comes grinding to a halt. Almost.

    In fact, Obama and the Democrats have good reason to worry about the emerging Republican field. Here are four big reasons why.

    (For background, check out this analysis I wrote a few weeks ago about why we should ignore the early polls on the GOP nomination battle, as well as this one on why it’s normal not to have a “perfect” candidate in the field.)

    1. The GOP has several serious candidates. At the moment, most of the oxygen in the nomination battle is being sucked up by less-than-viable candidates, above all Donald Trump. However, there are at least four serious contenders either in the field or looking likely to enter it: Mitch Daniels, Jon Huntsman, Tim Pawlenty, and Mitt Romney all bring a few qualities to the table that would serve them well in the general election. For starters, they’re all governors, meaning their résumés involve running state governments rather than getting bogged down in the ideological divisiveness of Congress. Daniels, Pawlenty, and Romney have all demonstrated crossover appeal – with Pawlenty and Romney winning in historically Democratic states, and Daniels winning reelection in 2008 in Indiana even as Obama carried the state. As for Huntsman’s appeal, Obama was worried enough about it to ship him off to China in 2009.

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    Republicans should be pleased about this. Evaluating candidates is a subjective process, of course, but a cycle in which the party can point to four serious contenders who would be formidable in a general election battle is a good one.

    2. An Obama-Clinton type of battle is unlikely. The battle between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton was unprecedented in its duration, but it nevertheless has roots in historical class conflicts within the Democratic party, with parallels to Humphrey-McCarthy in 1968, Muskie-McGovern in 1972, and Mondale-Hart in 1984. All of these battles featured a split between the party’s working class constituencies that have been in place since the 1930s and the newer groups added during the 1960s.

    The GOP has no such class-based divisions, dominated as it is by the married, white, churchgoing middle class. Really, the major dividing line in the Republican party is between moderately and very conservative voters. This means that the nominee is usually the one who can convince Republicans that he’s conservative, but not so much so that he can’t win a general election.

    3. A “fringe” nominee is unlikely. Democrats are hoping that the Republicans nominate somebody like Barry Goldwater, who satisfied the right wing but alienated independent and moderately Republican voters in 1964. However, that has not happened since the AuH2O candidacy, in large part because primaries now dominate the nomination process. That tends to reduce the influence of the most ideologically committed voters, as a broader cross-section of the electorate participates in primaries than party caucuses. Goldwater – who won the nomination in 1964 because of depth of support, rather than breadth – would probably not have been able to pull it out if the rules of today had been in place back then. His victory depended on his loyal supporters taking control of state and local party organizations, but these units are no longer in charge of the nomination.

    This is why, since the party reforms of the 1970s, most Republican nominees have been downright “boring.” George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and John McCain have been the selections in the last 20 years – and even Ronald Reagan was not really an insurgent in 1980. By that point, he had served for two terms as governor of the largest state in the union, and had stood for the GOP nomination twice already. In all likelihood, the nominee in 2012 will be similar to the ones we’ve seen over the last 30 years.

    4. An “enthusiasm gap” should not be a problem. Suppose that the GOP does nominate another candidate in line with the Bush-Dole-Bush-McCain tradition. Won’t enthusiasm be a trouble spot for the party base in 2012? Probably not. The conservative base’s intense dissatisfaction with the Obama tenure should be more than enough to make up for the fact that the party is not in love with the nominee (and it is possible, by the way, that the party could fall in love with somebody). On top of that, there are enough very serious figures out there who make the base swoon – perfect for the vice presidential nomination. Marco Rubio is the first that comes to mind. Team the junior senator from Florida up with one of those serious would-be presidential nominees, set that ticket against Obama-Biden next year, and you’ll have a great recipe for the most enthusiastic GOP base in decades.

    Bottom line: Democrats who are counting on the GOP giving this election away with a weak nominee need to find something else to pin their hopes on. In all likelihood, it isn’t going to happen, and Barack Obama will have to stand for reelection against a serious Republican ticket next year.

  81. “But the history of military quickies giving birth to presidential second terms is a history of miscarriages.”

    Well said.

  82. Do you recall that I raised the question early on about why it would take 5 meetings to get a decision? Well now we know: Jarrett. And we also know that he never made the decision, because it was made by others–if the article is accurate. This writer at Red State weighs the equities and comes down on our side of the line–not big media’s. Hollywood has had some big box office failures over the years and this farce they are concocting for Obama may turn out to be the grandest failure of all.
    ————————————————-
    Posted by streiff (Profile)
    Tuesday, May 3rd at 8:28PM EDT
    55 Comments

    I don’t stand by what follows because I don’t know the author or the website. It also falls into the “too good to check” category.

    But read and decide for yourself which has a greater ring of truth:

    1. The cool, analytical Obama of the developing White House hagiography (or to quote the notorious catchfart Howard Fineman, “President Barack Obama just proved himself — vividly, in almost Biblical terms — to be an effective commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States”)?

    or-

    2. The indecisive, goofy wuss whom we’ve come to know over the previous painful 29 months–described in this story?

    The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position.

  83. Who the hell elected that second slum lord Valerie Jarrett to run the country? Why does she have to have so much influence on the running of the country here? If it was not so serious, it would be a big joke.

  84. The worshipful comments by “catchfart” Feinman, which is not altogether different from the ex lax poster child I have always ascribed to him in terms of felicitous scatological references. But this swamp fever is not confined simply to Howard. It is holy writ, the secret handshake and coin of the realm for ALL of big media. Tapper who calls Hillary the figure from fatal attraction, and calls Trump Carrie who needs to be immolated is typical of the breed. Jake himself is lowest snake in the grass–and it comes out in his schmarmy nasty comments. But all of them have sold their souls to the devil, hence their influence and control over the process must be broken if we are to have anything resembling a representative democracy. These people are committed to centralizing the power and wealth of this nation in Washington DC, and creating a feudal nobility to run it–which of course includes them.

  85. Hillary Clinton: Health info via cellphone

    May 4, 2011

    WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says a new program will use cellphones to deliver health information to new and expectant mothers worldwide.

    Clinton says the Mobile Alliance for Maternal Action, known as MAMA, is a partnership among the U.S. Agency for International Development and Johnson & Johnson, with support from the U.N. Foundation, mHealth Alliance and BabyCenter LLC — developed in collaboration with the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and the Department of State.

    The phone messages can quickly and easily disseminate information that will inform women of ways to care for themselves during pregnancy, dispel myths and misconceptions, highlight warning signs, connect women with local health services, reinforce breast feeding practices, explain the benefits of family planning and make new mothers aware of how best to care for their babies, Clinton says in a statement.

    Over the next three years, the partnership will work across an initial set of three countries — Bangladesh, India and South Africa — and lessons learned there will be shared globally in collaboration among similar initiatives in other countries to accelerate efforts to reach millions of women worldwide.

    “If we are going to improve public health across the developing world, our solutions must be focused on reaching the hard to reach with health information they would otherwise not receive,” Raj Shah, USAID administrator says.

    http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2011/05/04/Hillary-Clinton-Health-info-via-cellphone/UPI-23331304485202/

  86. Sen. Wyden: Let’s hope Hillary Clinton, and not DHS, prevails on Web issues

    By Sara Jerome – 05/04/11

    Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) spoke out against administration efforts to tear down rogue websites Wednesday, saying foreign governments could see the U.S. domain seizures as a “green light” to tamper with the Web in their countries.

    Wyden has panned domain-name seizures before, writing to the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency to question their policy of taking down websites that sell counterfeit and copyrighted goods.

    Speaking at an event hosted by the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA), Wyden said he sees a tension in the government between the aggressive ICE crackdown and the work of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to promote Internet freedom. The State Department funds technology aimed at derailing Web censorship by foreign regimes.

    Wyden, who commended Clinton for her efforts and said he has spoken with her on the initiative, said domain-name seizures in the U.S. could be a setback to Clinton’s Internet freedom work.

    “Hopefully, her views will prevail, and not the views of ICE,” he said.

    Wyden said foreign governments might look at the domain seizures and say, “We’ve seen it done in the U.S. We have the green light to do it here in our country.”

    ICE has seized hundreds of domain names this year with warrants, although not without sometimes accidentally taking down sites that had done nothing wrong, according to reports.

    The departments that take down websites say it is essential to follow thieves online, and point to the economic drain of intellectual property theft.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/159155-wyden-lets-hope-hillary-clinton-prevails-on-web-issues-not-dhs

  87. Who the hell elected that second slum lord Valerie Jarrett to run the country? Why does she have to have so much influence on the running of the country here? If it was not so serious, it would be a big joke
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    Why did Martin Boreman run the Third Reich in the closing days of the war? The leader was sick–on drugs and stark raving mad, and he had Svengali influence over him. Then as now. But the results of that happy union, were not happy at all for the German people and they foreshadowed a gotterdamerung of Wagnerian proportions. Then as now.

  88. Do we even know that? I’m sure the military considered both options. Who says which one the military really wanted? Maybe they faked him out by offering the air strike first, so he could pout and say No.
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    I heard a report that there were 23 children in that compound, so that may have had a big role in the decision not to bomb.

  89. Bombing was perhaps never a serious option with all those children and women there. But it would have been risk free and easy compared to the seals operation and there would not have been a question of legality on why he was not captured but killed.

  90. moononpluto
    May 4th, 2011 at 1:54 am
    There was more to that command centre phoo than you think.

    Look at the body language.
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    Good to see you back moononpluto but I hate the old body language tells you what people are really feeling bunk. The people around that table in the photo are the main players in an operation like this, hence they are seated around the table. The others, including Obama, came in later and sat or stood at the back of the table. This is serious stuff they are watching, so they are focused and serious. No more, no less.

  91. I know that because of this announcement, that reportedly Osama bin
    Chris Hedges on the death of bin laden . . .

    Laden was killed, Bob [Truthdig Editor Robert Scheer] wanted me to say a few words about it … about al-Qaida. I spent a year of my life covering al-Qaida for The New York Times. It was the work in which I, and other investigative reporters, won the Pulitzer Prize. And I spent seven years of my life in the Middle East. I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. I’m an Arabic speaker. And when someone came over and told … me the news, my stomach sank. I’m not in any way naive about what al-Qaida is. It’s an organization that terrifies me. I know it intimately.

    But I’m also intimately familiar with the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world. The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11—and that this presence of American imperial bases, dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha—is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.

    And the killing of bin Laden, who has absolutely no operational role in al-Qaida—that’s clear—he’s kind of a spiritual mentor, a kind of guide … he functions in many of the ways that Hitler functioned for the Nazi Party. We were just talking with Warren [Beatty] about [Ian] Kershaw’s great biography of Hitler, which I read a few months ago, where you hold up a particular ideological ideal and strive for it. That was bin Laden’s role. But all actual acts of terror, which he may have signed off on, he no way planned.

    I think that one of the most interesting aspects of the whole rise of al-Qaida is that when Saddam Hussein … I covered the first Gulf War, went into Kuwait with the 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, was in Basra during the Shiite uprising until I was captured and taken prisoner by the Iraqi Republican Guard. I like to say I was embedded with the Iraqi Republican Guard. Within that initial assault and occupation of Kuwait, bin Laden appealed to the Saudi government to come back and help organize the defense of his country. And he was turned down. And American troops came in and implanted themselves on Muslim soil.

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    When I was in New York, as some of you were, on 9/11, I was in Times Square when the second plane hit. I walked into The New York Times, I stuffed notebooks in my pocket and walked down the West Side Highway and was at Ground Zero four hours later. I was there when Building 7 collapsed. And I watched as a nation drank deep from that very dark elixir of American nationalism … the flip side of nationalism is always racism, it’s about self-exaltation and the denigration of the other.
    And it’s about forgetting that terrorism is a tactic. You can’t make war on terror. Terrorism has been with us since Sallust wrote about it in the Jugurthine wars. And the only way to successfully fight terrorist groups is to isolate [them], isolate those groups, within their own societies. And I was in the immediate days after 9/11 assigned to go out to Jersey City and the places where the hijackers had lived and begin to piece together their lives. I was then very soon transferred to Paris, where I covered all of al-Qaida’s operations in the Middle East and Europe.

    So I was in the Middle East in the days after 9/11. And we had garnered the empathy of not only most of the world, but the Muslim world who were appalled at what had been done in the name of their religion. And we had major religious figures like Sheikh Tantawi, the head of al-Azhar—who died recently—who after the attacks of 9/11 not only denounced them as a crime against humanity, which they were, but denounced Osama bin Laden as a fraud … someone who had no right to issue fatwas or religious edicts, no religious legitimacy, no religious training. And the tragedy was that if we had the courage to be vulnerable, if we had built on that empathy, we would be far safer and more secure today than we are.

    We responded exactly as these terrorist organizations wanted us to respond. They wanted us to speak the language of violence. What were the explosions that hit the World Trade Center, huge explosions and death above a city skyline? It was straight out of Hollywood. When Robert McNamara in 1965 began the massive bombing campaign of North Vietnam, he did it because he said he wanted to “send a message” to the North Vietnamese—a message that left hundreds of thousands of civilians dead.

    These groups learned to speak the language we taught them. And our response was to speak in kind. The language of violence, the language of occupation—the occupation of the Middle East, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—has been the best recruiting tool al-Qaida has been handed. If it is correct that Osama bin Laden is dead, then it will spiral upwards with acts of suicidal vengeance. And I expect most probably on American soil. The tragedy of the Middle East is one where we proved incapable of communicating in any other language than the brute and brutal force of empire.

    And empire finally, as Thucydides understood, is a disease. As Thucydides wrote, the tyranny that the Athenian empire imposed on others it finally imposed on itself. The disease of empire, according to Thucydides, would finally kill Athenian democracy. And the disease of empire, the disease of nationalism … these of course are mirrored in the anarchic violence of these groups, but one that locks us in a kind of frightening death spiral. So while I certainly fear al-Qaida, I know its intentions. I know how it works. I spent months of my life reconstructing every step Mohamed Atta took. While I don’t in any way minimize their danger, I despair. I despair that we as a country, as Nietzsche understood, have become the monster that we are attempting to fight.

    Thank you.

  92. I’m thinking this is all going to backfire on obama. He gives Panetta enough rope to hang himself, Panetta comes through with flying colors aided and abetted by Hillary and Gates, obama takes full credit and his ego bloats even more.

    Now the questions are coming. The U.N. is demanding to know whether it was a legal hit. After all, osama was killed in Pakistan (not a country the U.S. is at war with. European nations, particularly the U.K. have articles in newspapers questioning the back and forth discrepencies of what really happened. The WH spin changes every hour. He will appear on 60 minutes to further gloat.

    And if more comes out to show that the White House spinmeisters have come undone, the story changes over and over again, and finally (God forbid) terrorists come out of the woodwork to enact revenge…well…

  93. Newsweek released a poll today wherein Obama got zero bounce.
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    Funny, RCP average looks good for Obummer, as jbstonesfan predicted:

    RCP Average 50.6 43.4 +7.2

    Comprised of:

    CBS/NYT 57 37 +20
    Newsweek 48 49 -1
    Rasmussen Reports 48 51 -3
    CNN 52 43 +9
    SurveyUSA 46 42 +4
    WashPo/Pew 56 38 +18
    Gallup 47 44 +3

    But isn’t this being driven by partisan outliers? +20 for NY Times / CBS? +18 from Washington Post / Pew? Even CNN’s +9 is on the high side.

    Even with those extreme skewing, he barely cracks 50%, and more than 40% still disapprove.

    And that’s hot on the heels of the political coup of the decade! Even if he had nothing to do with it, except hem and haw and slow things down.

    And what are the numbers going to look like in a week, a month? When the economy continues to suck? (NYTimes reports more “disappointing” economic news.)

    So let’s not get all despondent and shit, “Oh, my God…”, and a) do our usual media-bias watch, b) dig for truth.

  94. The others, including Obama, came in later

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    Which tells us something too. Especially if it’s the picture of him in his golf clothes.

    Though I agree with your general point, that one still picture analyzed for ‘body language’ doesn’t tell us much about anything.

  95. there would not have been a question of legality on why he was not captured but killed

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    Might have been some questions if a bomb had gone astray and hit the Chinese embassy. /Kosovo reference

  96. The expansion of military occupation that took place throughout, in particular the Arab world, following 9/11—and that this presence of American imperial bases, dotted, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Doha—is one that has done more to engender hatred and acts of terror than anything ever orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.

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    Wasn’t that expansion orchestrated BY Bin Laden? Wasn’t one of his motives to get the US into land wars in Asia? So as to produce this kind of hatred of the US?

  97. …call me cynical but I agree that O’s hand was pushed into action…there are too many things that don’t make sense otherwise…

    first…from WHCD to golfing after the first mission was aborted due to weather…does not make sense at all..any president would be at the WH and in Situation room, not out playing a quick game of golf…unless there is something seriously mentally wrong with that President…

    second…O stepped on his own Oprah ‘adore the Obamas show’…O surely would have waited so he could preen and accept applause for that and touch that big audience…Oprah even tweeted that the show already sound outdated…it aired Monday (I did not see it)

    but three…call me cynical…but number three is the real reason I believe O’s hand was forced into action…if there is all this evidence starting to surface that they have know for months, possible years that OBL was in Pakistan and in that location…just yards away from the Pakistan military compound…then I think O would have had this in his hip pocket for an October Surprise if he was tanking and losing re-election…so why now?? why, when many people are questioning the credulity and the odds that our government just found out where OBL was…

    Hillary is quoted that OBL is in Pakistan over a year ago…now people are saying he was there for 5-6 years in plain sight…

    I think O’s hand was forced by the CIA and the military…and there was no going back…

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    JBStonesfan…re: the polls…they are just a snapshot of this moment and if you look closely at the polls on RCP…they are so skewed for the snapshot of this specific moment…

    Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread

    RCP Average 4/30 – 5/3 — 50.6 43.4 +7.2

    CBS News/NY Times 5/2 – 5/3 532 A 57 37 +20

    Newsweek/Daily Beast 5/2 – 5/3 600 A 48 49 -1

    Rasmussen Reports 5/1 – 5/3 1500 LV 48 51 -3

    CNN/Opinion Research 5/2 – 5/2 700 A 52 43 +9

    SurveyUSA 5/2 – 5/2 1000 A 46 42 +4

    Wash Post/Pew/SRBI 5/2 – 5/2 654 A 56 38 +18

    Gallup 4/30 – 5/2 1500 A 47 44 +3

    …essentially you have two polls – CBS/NYT + 20 and Washington Post/Pew + 18 that are throwing the average off…(both suspect polls to begin with)

    the rest of the polls are between -3 to +9…or maybe around a 6 point bump (i am not a math person, but that sounds much more like reality)

    …at a certain point O and OBL news 24/7 is going to frustrate people that have the same daily problems they had before OBL was killed…

    …people will register that they care about what is happening in their lives in the USA not off in the Middle East…and when the average person starts hearing we are still giving BILLIONS – post OBL – to Pakistan, Afghanastan, etc, etc, etc…those polls are going to reverse themselves…

  98. Should have included this in my quote above re Bin Laden’s motive:

    We [Bush] responded exactly as these terrorist organizations wanted us to respond.

  99. jbstonesfan: honeymoons don’t last and when the middle east boils over and domestic problems are once again on the front burner those numbers will go down like a head shot goose. Plenty of time for the story to unravel, doubts raised about the legality of the action, questions about whether he should have been taken alive, etc. That is the nature of things. Be glad this did not happen a 15 months from now.

  100. Agreed, Jan.

    “I’m thinking this is all going to backfire on obama.”

    The sooner the better. And if it’s done at the hands of Trump – maybe on May 22 after the last CA Show- that would be a coup.

  101. “But the history of military quickies giving birth to presidential second terms is a history of miscarriages.”

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    Even as to the temporary help of wiping other issues off the news for a few days…. Well, Obama knew long in advance when the military was going to strike. Thus he could do or say anything on any subject in the preceding week, and the subject would be closed with him having the last word.

    Wo what did he choose to use this get out of jail free card on? A biarth certificate!

    (Of course his defenders might say it shows there was no worse scandal to hide.)

  102. essentially you have two polls – CBS/NYT + 20 and Washington Post/Pew + 18 that are throwing the average off…(both suspect polls to begin with)

    the rest of the polls are between -3 to +9…or maybe around a 6 point bump (i am not a math person, but that sounds much more like reality
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    I expecteed a 7-11% jump based on past polls….

  103. The U.N. is demanding to know whether it was a legal hit. After all, osama was killed in Pakistan (not a country the U.S. is at war with.

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    What do the critics think we should have done? Declared war on Pakistan and marched in with tanks?

  104. What do the critics think we should have done? Declared war on Pakistan and marched in with tanks?
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    I expect Pakistan was notified shortly before the event, but the people who were notified did not wish to be known so they could become targets. Consequently, the legal question lingers, as does the strategic one which is whether he could have been taken alive.

    Concerning the flag waving latter day militarist bots the words of Bismark echo in my head. When informed that crowds in Berlin were calling for the head of the last Napoleon after the Prussian victory in the War of 1870, he said public opinion always follows that line, but as leaders of state we must not meddle in the calling of Nemisis. For us it comes down to one simple question: which is better for the Prussian State–a well used Napoleon or a badly used Napoleon. And in this case the question is similar: which is better for the United States—an assassinated Osama (which turns on the factual question of whether he was killed in a firefight, or exectuted), or a captured Osama who would not be a martyr, and from whom vital information could have been extracted. The question of whether the sovereignty of Pakistan was violated could be mitigated by the doctrine of hot pursuit but there would be arguments on both sides since a decade had elapsed. The same question could have been posed with the extraction of Adolf Eichman but I do not recall that it was. But the specific question is whether this was self defense or murder, and on that matter there are precedent from the Viet Nam war which may be instructive.

  105. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/04/147782.html
    “During preliminary investigations, the lady said they moved to the Abbottabad house five to six months ago,” the Pakistani official said, adding that she did not provide further information about bin Laden or his shifting to the house.

    [[ Who is ‘we’? If Bin Laden himself only recently came to the house, that would explain several things. ]]

    The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.
    The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members.

    [[ Unlikely they’d do that in front of witnesses. ]]

    Before opening the area to the media, Pakistani soldiers shifted two buffaloes, a cow and around 150 hens from the compound to an unknown location.
    [….]
    “There was no bunker or tunnel inside the house and that’s why I don’t understand why the world’s most wanted man would have decided to live here,” a senior official said.

    [[ Me neither. Seems unlikely it was BUILT for him. ]]

  106. essentially you have two polls – CBS/NYT + 20 and Washington Post/Pew + 18 that are throwing the average off…(both suspect polls to begin with)

    the rest of the polls are between -3 to +9…or maybe around a 6 point bump (i am not a math person, but that sounds much more like reality
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    I expecteed a 7-11% jump based on past polls….

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    Well, then you must be feeling pretty good right now–if the average is only 6. As for me, I don’t give a hoot bout these polls. With so many people with their thumb on the scale they mean little or nothing. Remember New Hampshire. I am more interested in how this whole thing unravels. Big media thinks they can use this episode to rekindle the flame for Obama, but on the odds that will be a bumpy road.

  107. Another fall-out from what has taken place is the Middle East issue.

    Will obama now feel he has to make a grand gesture to the Arabs at the expense of Israel?

    Netanyahu is already worried that the death of osama will bring a rise in terrorist activities to his country. He is due to visit obama in June regarding the peace process. I wouldn’t be surprised if obama now tries to hijack the whole process.

  108. About the polls, it is logical there won’t be an appreciable bump because a good mojority of his base would feel ambiguous (if they are not black, 20+ yo, or Fineman ilk) with what has happened though they like the outcome and an even bigger majority that likes this outcome is not on his side to begin with. He is pleasing the opposition right now with this outcome and they will not vote for him anyway.

  109. http://www.juancole.com/2011/05/top-ten-myths-about-bin-ladens-death.html

    7. Bin Laden was [NOT] executed by US forces. He was not. His wife lunged at the SEALS and was shot in the leg. Then Bin Laden made threatening moves (looked as if he was going for a weapon?), and he was shot.

    8. Bin Laden was [NOT] assassinated. He was not. First of all, he was the leader of a para-statal organization that had declared war on the United States. If the US could have stormed Hitler’s bunker and taken him out, it would not have been an assassination, any more than being able to take out an enemy general on the battlefield would be. Second, the SEALs fired only when he made a threatening move, which is a form of self-defense. There is every reason to believe that the US would have preferred to take Bin Laden alive, since they could have then interrogated him about ongoing terrorism plans.

  110. http://www.juancole.com/2011/05/top-ten-myths-about-bin-ladens-death.html

    Murtaza Haider, himself from northwestern Pakistan, notes in the Scientific American:

    ‘ It’s standard in Pakistan to build these humongous compounds, where living quarters are covered by green space and that green space is then gated and there’s a boundary wall, which is usually substantially high with barbed wire on top of it. It’s not something out of the ordinary.

    This is a very tribal culture where people—men, especially—believe that women should not be seen by strangers. In addition, a large number of tribal Pashtuns living in the area became wealthy by the drug trade and could afford to build these compounds—this whole area is a major trade route for opium. Another reason to build those compounds is security. A lot of wealthy Pashtuns have disputes with their cousins over land that they have inherited. Because of these inheritance disputes, a lot of people end up hurting or killing their own cousins over their land. So it’s common to build these compounds to ward off attacks from your relatives who may be after your land as well.

    If it is true that Osama bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad, I’m not at all surprised because that is a place where a lot of these radicalized clerics came from. What does surprise me was his proximity to the Pakistani military academy, which is the West Point of Pakistan, where all the commissioned officers get trained. It is surprising that he was bold enough to find refuge so close to the military training college. There are a lot of people who are trying to create intimations that the military was perhaps involved. You know, if the military were involved they wouldn’t have kept him there; they would have kept him 100 miles away from that place. It’s possible that the military was looking for bin Laden everywhere, and that’s the last place they would have bothered to look.’

    [[ Bet the compound had been there for a while, built as Halder says by someone who feared ground attacks. Then Bin Laden moved in later. Something specially built or adapted for him would have been better defended from air attacks (and less visible to Google Earth). ]]

  111. Who in the hell is Professor Juan Cole, and why should we take him seriously? He may be the 11th myth.

  112. I have no intention of deferring to Professor Juan Cole, or to other hearsay accounts of what happened and what legal conclusions should follow. Actual pictures and real evidence is what we need. My bias is to call this whole thing a lawful act of self defense by the United States, and a proper execution of a military directive. But I have an uneasy feeling that there is some daylight between what I want to believe and what actually happened. And a goof ball like Professor Juan Cole who comes to us out of nowhere and is probably a closet bot does not make this moral dilemma any easier for me/

  113. Juan Cole is basically an obot Middle East studies professor with CDS.
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    Thank you votermom. Just looking at him I would have to say he has got the mark.

  114. So what is CDS? Is it credit default swap? Or is it this organization:http://www.cdsintl.org/ which is at best suspect. Social engineers on a global scale funded by Soros. If so, then Professor Juan Cole (you can tell from his name that he is culturally diverse) is not exactly the Delphic Oracle. Or is perhaps some other entity.

  115. So what is CDS? Is it credit default swap?
    Ha ha!
    CDS = Clinton Derangement Symtom. Basically people who go frothing at the mouth crazy whenever Bill or Hillary are mentioned.
    PDS = Palin Derangement Syndrome.
    Probably we will also see an epidemic of TDS (Trump Derangement Symptom) if The Donald does run for Pres.

  116. HERE WE GO…THE BOTS ARE AT IT…THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO RUN TRUMP RIGHT OUT OF THE RACE BEFORE HE EVEN GETS IN…get ready…the dictatorship and racism are in full force..

    have you guys seen this yet?

    indystar.com/article/20110504/ENTERTAINMENT/105040329/Campaign-grows-set-early-bump-day-Trump

    Campaign grows to set early bump day for Trump

    Many offended by remarks they view as racist

    Local Baptist ministers said they’re concerned about Trump’s “petulant, poisonous and racist remarks.” IMS spokesman Doug Boles said, “We have also received comments from other folks in support of Donald Trump driving the pace car.”

    Reader vote Should Trump drive 500 pace car? YOU CAN VOTE…it is now 66 to dump him and 33 to keep him

    A groundswell of pressure is starting to build on Indianapolis 500 officials to dump Donald Trump as pace car driver at this month’s race.

    A Facebook page has rallied more than 7,500 supporters who have placed calls or posted comments on social media sites of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, corporate sponsor IZOD and Chevrolet, sponsor of the pace car program.

    They want Trump, well, fired.

    “Driving the pace car should not be used as a sound board for some terrible businessman to spew his political aspirations,” said racing fan Chris Hughes, Indianapolis. “Especially with this being the 100th anniversary.”

    Reader vote: Should Donald Trump drive the pace car?

    Like many others, Hughes hopes IMS officials will find someone else, perhaps someone with historic ties to the race.

    IMS announced April 5 that Trump would be the pace car driver, an honor that has been bestowed on legendary drivers and celebrities.

    At the time, Trump was not a potential candidate for the Republican nomination for president.

    And some think that because Trump ignited a firestorm of protest when he demanded to see President Barack Obama’s birth certificate and has since been accused of making racist remarks about Obama and African-Americans in general, the Speedway has a legitimate reason to backtrack on the pace car invitation.

    But at least one other potential presidential candidate waved off Trump’s presence at the “greatest spectacle in racing.”

    Gov. Mitch Daniels said Tuesday the decision is “up to the folks at the Speedway” and he is in favor of “whatever sells tickets,” according to his spokeswoman, Jane Jankowski.

    IMS officials say they have heard the protests of racing fans.

    “We are certainly aware of the Facebook page, and we have certainly received complaints,” said IMS spokesman Doug Boles. “But we have also received comments from other folks in support of Donald Trump driving the pace car.

    “We are monitoring the situation; it’s on our radar, and we are taking a look at it.”

    Boles said the decision to offer the honor to Trump was not made solely by officials at 16th and Georgetown. There also was input from Chevrolet, IZOD and other partners. “It’s a group of folks,” he said.

    Trump and officials at IZOD did not respond to requests for comment Tuesday. Attempts to reach Chevrolet were unsuccessful.

    Meanwhile, the Indianapolis 500 Festival — which puts on the annual 500 Festival Parade, featuring drivers and many celebrities — said it has offered Trump the traditional pace car ride in the parade, but he has not said whether he will make it.

    “The traditional invitation to the Indy 500 pace car driver to participate in the parade is a long-standing one,” said Megan Bulla, communications manager for the 500 Festival. “The invitation goes with the capacity of the position.”

    But, she added: “Please let it be clear that participation by any respective pace car driver, or anyone riding in the parade in any capacity for that matter, would never suggest that we agree with nor endorse their personal or political views.”

    A local group of Baptist ministers joined the movement Tuesday by issuing a statement that it is deeply concerned about the “petulant, poisonous and racist remarks” made by Trump.

    Also, Georgetown University Professor Michael Eric Dyson said recently on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that Trump’s comments about Obama’s ability to get into Harvard despite not being a “good student” was racist, as it questioned a black man’s intelligence.

    The Baptist Ministers Alliance of Indianapolis and Vicinity called on IMS to immediately rescind its invitation to Trump.

    “(We) believe that the leadership and management of the IMS are people of integrity and good will, and we are hopeful that (they) will do right thing,” said Stephen J. Clay, president of the organization.

    Michael Wallack, an Indianapolis attorney, created the “dump Trump” Facebook page April 8.

    He said it started with just a few friends and family, but last week’s news regarding the release of Obama’s birth certificate drove more people to find reasons to voice their dislike of Trump — and quickly the number of supporters grew to 300.

    By week’s end, it was up to 1,100. And on Tuesday, it surpassed 7,000.

    “For me, when I first heard Trump was the man, it made no sense,” said Wallack, 45, who said he has missed just two Indy 500 races since 1972. “You know, the Speedway has made a big deal out of this being the 100th anniversary, and I love the pomp and circumstance, Jim Nabors, Florence Henderson. And this just felt wrong.”

    It is not clear whether the majority of the Facebook postings are from Indianapolis or Central Indiana. And while politics has crept into the commentary, Wallack said he did not create the page for political reasons, even though he is “socially liberal” and once ran (and lost) as a Democrat for a Hamilton County Council seat.

    Wallack doesn’t know whether the grass-roots effort will work.

    “Originally, I would have said no,” he said. “After all, this is a simple Facebook grass-roots campaign against a corporate giant and a billionaire.

    “But as the issue gains traction, as more people express their opposition to Trump . . . then it becomes possible that IMS will decide to make the rational decision to bump Trump and choose a more appropriate person.”

    Are you OK with Trump driving the pace car or do you think IMS should find someone else? Share your thoughts on our sports Facebook page.

    Call Star reporter Dan McFeely at (317) 444-6253.

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    people should call and say this is ridiculous…is the USA or not?

  117. Juan Cole is basically an obot Middle East studies professor with CDS.

    ==============

    Hostile witness testimony is all the more valuable. Do you disagree with any of his quotes that I’ve posted (all supporting the raid)? Imo they’re the best sense I’ve seen so far.

    One comment at his site said that the US helicopters could not have got that far into Pakistan (and near their West Point too) without setting off Pakistan radar. So probably someone in Pakistan needed to be tipped off not to nuke them. But for Pakistan to disavow all knowledge was the safest thing for Pakistan.

  118. Why would Trump want to drive a race car? This sounds like the hoax about Obama playing in some pro golf tournament.

  119. Some thoughts:

    1. OBL is dead.
    2. Obama did not make the decision.
    3. OBL should be dead. The world is safer without him. Period. This is not open for debate. As long as that fucker continued to be alive, he’d be scheming to kill folks of ALL persuasions. Fuck him. Let him rot.
    4. Obots are a dumb lot. The MLK, Jr. quote was priceless.
    5. Next time something like this happens, I should disburse my own made up quote and see who bites.
    6. The MSM is just ludicrous. Competence is a foreign word to them.
    7. Dubya and Big Dog are right to skip Thursday. Really, there is no need to go there. Obama will just take credit anyhow and use them as photo ops.
    8. Besides, wouldn’t it be a HUGE security risk?!? If we are at heightened alerts now because of OBL’s death, isn’t it stupid to tell every extremist asshole out there who may floundering away from his just dissolved cell where POTUS will be and at what time???
    9. All the idiots (and, yes, some of you are idiots IMHO) who pretend OBL is still alive or was killed a long while back are forgetting that conspiracies have to make sense. Wouldn’t it have been great to say OBL died in the middle of the healthcare debate or before the midterm elections? They sort of needed that bump more then.
    10. Who the fuck cares what an imam in Jerusalem says to about 25 people? If a fat girl falls in the woods and no one is there, do the trees laugh?
    11. HRC is not running this time or next. She’s elevated to a whole other level on this operation. If she left tomorrow, his administration will be doomed, but, sadly, so would we all be. Panetta will let him flounder and Daley can’t save it alone.
    12. Anyone who continues to bitch that it was illegal (OBL is not a head of state per Ford’s exec order and fuck Pakistan- they were harboring a fugitive) or that it glorifies violence deserves to be in those towers vs. those who died who’d love to be here with us now. If you do not have a strong enough survival instinct to kill those who will kill you and tell you to your face that they’re going to and how much they will enjoy doing so, then you’re a waste of oxygen.

  120. May 4, 2011

    Clinton’s courtesy call to Pataki

    BY Ken Lovett

    Former Gov. George Pataki got a surprise call from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to talk about Osama Bin Laden’s death.

    Clinton, who was a U.S. senator representing New York during the 9-11 terrorist attacks, called Pataki on Monday morning hours after the late-night announcement, a source close to the former governor said.

    “She made a point of getting a hold of him because of their shared experience,” said a source close to Pataki. “I thought it was a classy thing of her to have done.”

    Meanwhile, Pataki did ultimately receive a White House invitation to President Obama’s visit to Ground Zero tomorrow.

    The call to his office came about 40 minutes ago.

    Pataki spokesman David Catalfamo said the former guv would like to attend the event if he can get back from a business trip in Austin, TX. on time.

    “We’re going through the machinations to see if we can make it work,” Catalfamo said. “Obviously, he’s very connected to the issue on every level, personally, professionally, and he understands the importance of the event.”

    Eyebrows were raised earlier today when it was learned Pataki had not scored an invite given he was governor at the time of the attacks.

    The source close to Pataki questioned whether the White House deliberated waited because of Pataki’s national criticism of the federal health care law and now his focus on national debt.

    Gov. Cuomo and Mayor Bloomberg are expected to attend tomorrow’s Ground Zero event, sources said.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/05/clintons-courtesy-call-to-pataki

  121. Finding and getting Osama is something our military have been working on for 10 years. Hillary presumably approved it. Just because it finally came together on Obama’s watch doesn’t mean we have to condemn it or nitpick it.

  122. Off topic, but for those Chelsea fans here…

    Chelsea Clinton Talks Kids She and Marc ‘Hope to Have Someday’

    By Jeffrey Slonim
    Wednesday May 04, 2011

    Chelsea Clinton isn’t ready to have children just yet, but it is on the radar.

    The former president’s daughter, 31, and her husband Marc Mezvinsky came out to support a pro-gay-marriage event in New York on Tuesday – and in the midst of talking about families, she dropped a hint about expanding her own.

    “As a New Yorker who not that long ago got married in New York to her best friend … I certainly believe that all of my friends should have the right, as Marc and I did, to marry their best friend,” Clinton said.

    She added: “I certainly expect my straight friends to help us achieve that for all New Yorkers, for all Americans, and for the children that, at least, Marc and I hope to have someday.”

    Clinton is on the advisory board of Friendfactor, the group that hosted the event at Lavo, a New York nightclub.

    She and Mezvinsky dealt with rumors earlier this year that there was trouble in their marriage. But a family friend called those reports “absolutely false” and said, “The happy couple are happy.”

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20486891,00.html

  123. After all the lies, after all the body doubles and the “we got him ” from Bush ( only we didn’t ) I don’t know.

  124. David Brooks: The other photo I’ve been fascinated by is the one of the president’s security team gathered in the White House Situation Room. The first thing the photo illustrates is that whenever we disagree with an office holder, we should all nonetheless pay them a large dose of respect. Presidents and others make these horrific decisions that could lead to death and suffering for people thousands of miles away, and then they sit passively far removed from the action, hoping that things turn out right.

    On a human level I’m struck by the varied emotions etched on people’s faces. I can read nothing on Bob Gates’s face or even Joe Biden’s, whereas Obama, Denis McDonough and John Brennan look tense. Hilary Clinton’s face is the most riveting, a mixture of anxiety, dread and concern. I suspect most people will relate to her expression.

    Gail Collins: Did they have to pick the one where Hillary had her hand over her mouth? The secretary of state doesn’t need to prove her toughness, but it would be nice if the definitive photo didn’t show the only woman in the room looking stricken.

    David Brooks: The second thing the photo shows is how small the room is. In the movies, executive decisions are made in big, Roman Empire type rooms. But the White House is an early 19th century kind of place. It does all it can to humble the people who work there with its smallness, at least in the work areas.

    The posture of the president is fascinating. Instead of occupying the power chair in the center of the table, he is perched on a low chair off the side, hunched over looking tense. If you just looked at this picture, you might think that Joe Biden was president or Bill Daley, who is standing behind looking imposing and grave. You’d think Obama was a midlevel aide.

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    Clip from nyt….not that I read that trash paper….but the last line in the clip says it all…..

  125. Fuck (a hundred times) Gail Collins!! Women her ilk are the biggest hurdles for women’s progress.

    ‘Only woman, looking stricken’ What a fucker! If it were not for her, the man-child would be golfing and bin Laden would still be enjoying his multiple wives in a mansion.

    I will give credit to Brooks for seeing what it really was.

  126. It is understood bin Laden, code named ‘Jackpot’, was unarmed but did ‘resist’.

    Yes, OBL was “Jackpot”, the mission “Geronimo”.

    There seemed some confusion on the past post

  127. I guess he forgot about the Pearl beheading or the paid “consultants” 1/2 bdby parts hanging from the bridge, or others, give me time…below from ACE
    ******

    What the hell are you thinking Congressman Rogers? It’s still an unbelievably stupid and insulting remark. A major apology from the Congressman and a primary challenge is in order.

    Rogers is Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He should be the Former Chair of that important committee.

    Here’s Congressman Roger’s webpage in case you want to let him know how you feel about anyone, Republican or Democrat, making such insulting statements about Americans in general and servicemen and women in particular.

    As for our betters who say don’t release the photos because it might inflame the Religion of Peace into a murderous rage (a state also known as “everyday”)…everyone of you bastards better be on record either urging the withholding of or condemning the release of photos from Abu Ghraib

  128. Hostile witness testimony is all the more valuable. Do you disagree with any of his quotes that I’ve posted (all supporting the raid)? Imo they’re the best sense I’ve seen so far.

    TDO, you make some great points. However, I have read too much cds from Juan Cole to care to read his take. A bit like Krugman, by drinking the koolaide he completely threw away a lot of his cred for me. Jmo.

  129. NEW DELHI: It now turns out that Indian agencies had twice warned their US counterparts about the presence of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden in an urbanized and heavily populated area not very far from Islamabad – once in mid-2007 and again in early 2008 when they specifically mentioned his likely presence in a cantonment area. On both occasions, the Americans either did not take the Indian intelligence seriously or perhaps were too busy working on their own inputs about Osamas whereabouts.

    The first time Indian security agencies gave this information to the US authorities was in mid-2007, soon after a Taliban meeting in Peshawar which was attended by Osamas No.2 Ayman al-Zawahiri. According to the information gathered by Indian intelligence operatives, this meeting was also attended by top leaders of Haqqani network and at least two ISI officials.

    Days after the meeting, Zawahiri visited Islamabad as per the information available with Indian authorities and this formed the basis of Indias first input to the US about Osamas hideout. “The urgency with which Zawahiri visited Islamabad or the area in its vicinity suggested that he was there for some purpose. We told them about Zawahiri visiting Islamabad and we also told them that we believed Osama may not be hiding in caves but in a highly urbanized area somewhere near Islamabad. Of course, nobody had spotted him and it was a conclusion we drew on the basis of the information we got,” said a top intelligence official involved in processing the information.
    ……………
    In the next six months, Indian operatives every now and then came up with information about movement of Osamas confidants in the region. The next definite input passed on to the US agencies by Indian officials was in early 2008 when there was specific mention made of his illness and his likely presence in a cantonment area. “This time we specifically mentioned about his presence in a cantonment area. It was because we had definite information that his movement was restricted owing to his illness and that it would have been impossible for him to go to an ordinary hospital. We told the Americans that only in a cantonment area could he be looked after by his ISI or other Pakistani benefactors,” said the official.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-had-twice-told-US-about-Osamas-likely-presence-close-to-Islamabad/articleshow/8156230.cms

  130. nomobama
    May 4th, 2011 at 12:21 am
    I noticed some of the pictures from the “command center” on the web tonight. Do any of you give any importance to the seating arrangements in the photos. For example, do you think Hillary was seated next to people of her own choosing, or do you think the people all just grabbed a seat?
    &&&&&&&&

    Obumma looks like he just got there from rushing back from the golf course. Hillary and the other important players looked like they were riveted, having been there and seeing something important though.

  131. I’m glad Bin Laden is dead, dead, dead. I hope his being washed and wrapped in a white sheet, with a proper funeral is all a load of crap for the media to pump out.

    I hope the soldiers flung his bloody corpse over the side and cursed it all the way to the bottom.

    Legality and asking permission to enter Pack-e-stan is just a bunch of silliness to me. We paid enough for them to hide this fu@ker, and ‘we’ took him out on our own.

    Apologies are just words like promises that are not kept.

    Oorah!

  132. pm317
    May 4th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Bush could have gotten him, what a shame, in the end we got the fraud and we all lost!

  133. Obumma looks like he just got there from rushing back from the golf course.

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    Yes by some reports. And his clothes were soft rumpled golf type clothes.

  134. Drudge has this caption, but when you go there, no pics…Gov maybe? Ok to show Pearls beheading and Saddam’s hanging, but not these pics?

    REUTERS RELEASES ‘DEATH SCENE’ PHOTOS
    **WARNING GRAPHIC**

  135. I went back to the Flickr set because I wanted to study the photo a bit more closely to see what made the photo so compelling, beyond its obvious historic significance…

    At first, I thought it was the intensity of the President that made the shot — it did when I first saw it…

    I’ve decided this photo’s true power can best be understood by looking at it, as one can do on Flickr, at the original size it was posted, 4996 x 2731 pixels…At this size, you can see the photo as its photographer saw it through the lens — or the photo-editor who chose it might.

    At 4996 x 2731, you can immediately see the photo’s focal point is Hillary Clinton — more specifically, her eyes.

    The photo tells a story of an entire room of people, but this is a photograph of Hillary Clinton. And, frankly, it is one of the most powerful, honest photographs you’ll ever see of a public figure.

    Hillary, with her hand to her mouth, eyes red and wide, with top secret documents on her laptop and on her lap, epitomizes this unguarded anxiety and its contradictions with the demands of navigating the highest echelons of power.

    Hillary in a moment now captured for history, somehow managed to convey both the thoughts both her colleagues in the nation’s security apparatus and emotions of a nation’s war wear people.
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    Very interesting comments!!!!!!

    As for the seating arrangements….BO had to make way for the JSOC assistant who was doing something with his laptop…..

    And Hillary and Gates are buddies……!!!!

  136. What a surprise, it was Biden….
    *******

    Toby Harnden
    Joe Biden opens his mouth about US Navy SEALs

    By Toby Harnden World Last updated: May 4th, 2011
    341 Comments Comment on this article

    Joe Biden speaks with John Kerry at a White House supper on Monday (Photo: AFP)
    Since President Barack Obama announced that “a small team of Americans” had killed Osama bin Laden, US government officials have carefully stuck to the line that they will not talk about which units were involved.
    Obama did not say it was the SEALs. In numerous television appearances, Obama’s counter-terrorism chief John Brennan didn’t and his deputy national security adviser Denis McDonough didn’t. Despite the numerous news reports that named the SEALs, none of the anonymous briefers from the CIA and Pentagon would confirm it.
    Here’s a typical response to a question about the SEALs from a senior defence official in a Pentagon briefing on Monday:
    QUESTION: Can I ask you, can you confirm that it was a (Navy) SEAL team? And was this a specially designated team that had been practising or reviewing intelligence for a while and they were the unit of choice?
    SENIOR DEFENCE OFFICIAL: Not going to comment on units or numbers.
    But here’s what the legendarily verbose and loose-lipped Vice President Joe Biden said at a dinner at Washington’s Ritz Carlton Hotel last night to mark the 50th anniversary of the Atlantic Council:
    Let me briefly acknowledge tonight’s distinguished honorees. Admiral James Stavridis is a, is the real deal. He can tell you more about and understands the incredible, the phenomenal, the just almost unbelievable capacity of his Navy SEALs and what they did last Sunday.
    And:
    Folks, I’d be remiss also if I didn’t say an extra word about the incredible events, extraordinary events of this past Sunday. As Vice President of the United States, as an American, I was in absolute awe of the capacity and dedication of the entire team, both the intelligence community, the CIA, the SEALs. It just was extraordinary.

  137. mp
    May 4th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Hillary represented all that has been pent up in all of us, she is us, as she has always been. ( I still haven’t bought it 100% however )

    He looked like an add on.

  138. Remember this? The fraud commander…Please…

    ****

    May 27, 2010, 6:01 PM
    Obama Assailed on Wreath Laying

    By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
    President Obama’s long holiday weekend in Chicago is creating a ruckus among his conservative critics, who are accusing him of skipping out on the traditional Memorial Day wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington National Ceremony – a yearly ritual for his predecessor, George W. Bush.

  139. Bill Clinton is not attending the propaganda event with Obama tomorrow–says he has a “scheduling conflict”. Glad to hear that…

  140. 42% of the people answering a Fox poll think OBL is alive

    ================

    Where do they think he is?

    I wish he were in a cellar in Guantanamo giving good information.

  141. Bill Clinton is not attending the propaganda event with Obama tomorrow–says he has a “scheduling conflict”. Glad to hear that…

    —-
    Heh, both Bush and the Big Dawg said, “Hell No, We Won’t Go!”

    Run Hillary…….

  142. mp
    May 4th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
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    I agree wholeheartedly with that comment. In fact, I am bawling my eyes out as I write this. It is the story of every smart and capable woman, relegated to a supporting role but yet they manage to shine and succeed but never get the credit for it. Fuck the bastards like Obuma and bitches like Gail Collins and there are plenty others where they come from. I am really feeling very sad right now.

  143. Historic,Historic,Historic…..of course it’s all about the “One”
    *******

    The Intellectual Dishonesty of Nancy Pelosi

    Peter Wehner 05.03.2011 – 9:40 AM
    Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:

    [E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

    And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:

    The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .

    This devastating then-and-now comparison comes to us courtesy of John Hinderaker of Power Line. It underscores the degree to which partisanship can ravage people’s fair-mindedness and, in the process, make them look like fools and hacks. Such things aren’t uncommon in politics—but what is rare is to see such intellectual dishonesty proven so conclusively.

  144. regarding BO not releasing the OBL photo

    he’s done it again, just like he played the BC issue, BO keeps the OBL story alive for as long as it works for him. what better way to keep the economy, gas prices, unemployment, spending, etc. out of the headlines. bravo, BO. you play the public like a cheap violin.

    let’s see…my bet is he releases the photo “under pressure” around October 2012?

  145. pm317 and Shadowfax…great comments today. I wholeheartedly agree, and to hell with all of them. One day…..I keep hoping, the fraud’s mask will fall. That day will be a Don Patron tequila day.

  146. http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/sizes/o/in/photostream/

    Here is the picture at the size the comment (mp posted shown below) is referring to. You have to move the slider around to look at everybody’s face. Our lady does not look stricken at all. Send this to this that incompetent fool at NYT, fucker Gail Collins.

    —————–
    mp
    May 4th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    I went back to the Flickr set because I wanted to study the photo a bit more closely to see what made the photo so compelling, beyond its obvious historic significance…

    At first, I thought it was the intensity of the President that made the shot — it did when I first saw it…

    I’ve decided this photo’s true power can best be understood by looking at it, as one can do on Flickr, at the original size it was posted, 4996 x 2731 pixels…At this size, you can see the photo as its photographer saw it through the lens — or the photo-editor who chose it might.

    At 4996 x 2731, you can immediately see the photo’s focal point is Hillary Clinton — more specifically, her eyes.

    The photo tells a story of an entire room of people, but this is a photograph of Hillary Clinton. And, frankly, it is one of the most powerful, honest photographs you’ll ever see of a public figure.

    Hillary, with her hand to her mouth, eyes red and wide, with top secret documents on her laptop and on her lap, epitomizes this unguarded anxiety and its contradictions with the demands of navigating the highest echelons of power.

    Hillary in a moment now captured for history, somehow managed to convey both the thoughts both her colleagues in the nation’s security apparatus and emotions of a nation’s war wear people.
    ——————————

    Very interesting comments!!!!!!

  147. Why release upsetting photos — which don’t prove anything, as any still photo can be photoshopped.

    Videos would be better evidence, but probably the quality wouldn’t be good enough: too choppy, too much discontinuity.

  148. Right…. so Waffles was going to release up to 2000 pictures of abused pictures in 2009.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5215068/Barack-Obama-to-release-up-to-2000-photographs-of-prisoner-abuse.html

    YET now will not release some damn picture of a murderer that killed thousands of innocents. I am so sick and tired of this PC bullcrap, what about american’s feelings!@

    Just heard Clinton declined Waffle’s PR stunt “scheduling conflicts”, Gov. Pataki said he may not be able to make it as its so far to fly from TX to NY (note the sarcasm).

    Gee, you’d think people wouldn’t want to sit through Waffle’s “I am the hero” speech when he goes to NY.

  149. I showed the photo to my husband. He said (and I agree) he sees fear in Obummer’s eyes.

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