Let My People Go – Mubarak As Healthy As Obamacare

Barack Obama thought his great pyramid would be the health care law scam. But Mess-iah Pharaoh Obama got another surprise yesterday. His heath care, or rather health insurance bailout scam was ruled “unconstitutional”.



Yesterday a federal court in Florida sang “Let My People Go”.

“Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications,” Vinson wrote.”

None of this should surprise our regular readers. The Obama health scam was so badly written it left out the most boilerplate of clauses which insulates an entire law and all its provisions from being overturned on the basis of one faulty provision.


Vinson Ruling

Judge Vinson’s decision notes that there used to be a severability clause in the legislation at one point but that it was removed. This removal Judge Vinson takes to be purposeful and an acknowledgment by congress that this health scam pyramid could not stand once the “mandate” block was removed. Of course, we know it was boobery (as one Obama Dimocrat acknowledged) pure and simple.

The judge ruled the entire law unconstitutional and now Obama and his courtroom clowns will have to get a stay from the courts in order to keep the law from dying a quicker death than Hosni Mubarak.

Judge Vinson referenced the Boston Tea Party in his opinion. The judge also cited what Obama said in 2008. Our readers will remember that at the time we warned Obama that his statements would come back to bite him in his scrawny buttocks. Judge Vinson imprinted his teeth in Barack’s buns:

“I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.”



Back in February of 2008 we quoted Paul Krugman (he was not an Obama apple polisher then and often spoke the truth) in our warnings to Barack Obama and those who supported genuine Universal Health Care. Wrote Krugman in 2008:

“… Mr. Obama’s campaigning on the health care issue has sabotaged his own prospects.

You see, the Obama campaign has demonized the idea of mandates — most recently in a scare-tactics mailer sent to voters that bears a striking resemblance to the “Harry and Louise” ads run by the insurance lobby in 1993, ads that helped undermine our last chance at getting universal health care.

If Mr. Obama gets to the White House and tries to achieve universal coverage, he’ll find that it can’t be done without mandates — but if he tries to institute mandates, the enemies of reform will use his own words against him.

As we predicted, there was no real “reform”, no real health care reform. What Obama shoveled out instead was the equivalent of billions for Big Insurance and Big PhaRma. Without real reform, without real health care, without the ability to bargain for lower drug prices by Medicare, all that remains is a big fat scam.

Today Senate Republicans will begin their challenge to the waiver-ridden Obama health scam. The assault will continue in the courts. An experienced president knowledgeable about constitutional issues would have known to insist on a severability clause, regional boards to ameliorate Commerce Clause concerns and a “point of contact (such as when someone seeks health care) enrollment” style “mandate” which would have ended the “inactivity” argument cited by Judge Vinson. Instead of a president with experience in government and a history of work for the American people and constitutional understanding – a boob was elected.

If you elect a boob, expect boobery.

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It’s not just the boobery and willful collusion with Big Insurance and Big PhaRma Americans have to fear. The boobery crosses the oceans.

As we warned, the Iron Veil is about to cover continents. The Muslim Brotherhood advocates for the Iron Veil and Barack Obama is bowing before the “Brotherhood”. News reports have it that Obama “supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned Islamist organization, in a reformed Egyptian government”.

The Muslim Brotherhood does not even have to demand, fight, negotiate, for a place – Barack Obama has already agreed to back their demands. The Obama “negotiator” who has already caved in is Robert Malley:

“If the name Robert Malley sounds familiar, it should. Obama supposedly fired Malley as an adviser for Middle East affairs in April 2008 from his campaign (Malley later claimed he’d quit) after it came out that Malley had met with Hamas on several occasions, despite Hamas’ status as a terrorist group as indicated by the State Department. Those meetings took place through the auspices of the International Crisis Group as well. Malley also helped create J Street, designed as a counterbalance to AIPAC, which lobbies for Israel in Washington, and while a member of Clinton’s team was the only administration official to blame Israel for Yasser Arafat’s refusal to accept the Clinton peace plan.”

Bill Clinton has made it clear that it was Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian leadership who bore responsibility for the failure of peace. Barack Obama chose as an adviser the one former Clinton employee who does not understand basic facts about war and peace in the middle east:

“A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.

Muhammad Ghannem reportedly told Al- Alam that the Suez Canal should be closed immediately, and that the flow of gas from Egypt to Israel should cease “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” He added that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” saying the world should understand that “the Egyptian people are prepared for anything to get rid of this regime.”

If Israel were to disappear today it would not stop the strife nor further expansion of global tensions. The problem is not Israel. The problem is organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood who advocate a Caliphate and who do not want separation of secular government power from spiritual church power.

Byron York writes today about the “conflicting views of democracy and religion” in Egypt:

“Last year the Pew Research Center Global Attitudes Project conducted a survey of opinion in several Muslim countries. The subject was the proper role of Islam in politics and society. One of the countries surveyed was Egypt, and among other discoveries, the Pew researchers found that 84 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.

In another survey, Pew found that 90 percent of Egyptians say they believe in freedom of religion. Pew also found that a majority of Egyptians think democracy, with protections of free speech and assembly, is “preferable to any other kind of government.” [snip]

The Pew survey found wide streams of opinion in Egypt that seem at the very least inhospitable to democracy. When asked which side they would take in a struggle between “groups who want to modernize the country [and] Islamic fundamentalists,” 59 percent of Egyptians picked the fundamentalists, while 27 percent picked the modernizers. In a country in which the army will likely play a deciding role in selecting the next political leadership, just 32 percent believe in civilian control of the military. And a majority, 54 percent, support making segregation of men and women in the workplace the law throughout Egypt.”

We previously cited the recent protection of Coptic Christians as a hopeful sign in Egypt. However, the influx of “clerics” into demonstrations and the segregation of women in the “Million Man March” today informs us that the Iron Veil is indeed about to be inflicted on millions in various continents.

Already we see, the Brotherhood moving to strap the Iron Veil on the sisterhood. In Jordan today, under pressure from the Muslim Brotherhood, the King fired the entire cabinet in anticipation of mass demonstrations tomorrow. In Tunisia, a synagogue was set on fire. Some will no doubt foolishly advocate that the Jews of Tunisia are the ones to blame and need to move.

The only one about to move however is Hosni Mubarak. Today “four million Egyptians have taken to the streets across the country to pressure President Hosni Mubarak and his government to step down.”

Mubarak announced today some scheme to stay in office until September and not run for reelection (he said it was his intention all along to leave after having sacrificed himself for the people and that the Obama knife in his back has nothing to do with his new career path). As long as the Egyptian army does not follow the path of the People’s Liberation Army, which decided to attack the much bigger and longer siege at Tienanmen Square in China, Mubarak will have to leave sooner rather than later.

With a snide smile we can say that Hosni Mubarak is as healthy as the Obamacare health care scam and not about to get a waiver.

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528 thoughts on “Let My People Go – Mubarak As Healthy As Obamacare

  1. Health Care is just a little more difficult than Neighborhood organizers. I am sure he is wondering why is this Florida Judical system is giving him such a hard time.

  2. BRAVO!
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    – If Israel were to disappear today it would not stop the strife nor further expansion of global tensions. The problem is not Israel. The problem is organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood who advocate a Caliphate and who do not want separation of secular government power from spiritual church power.

    – And a majority, 54 percent, support making segregation of men and women in the workplace the law throughout Egypt.

    – 84 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.

    – Cairo Million Man March Underway – Female Protesters Seen… Off to the Side.

    WAKE THE F**K UP women of the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. John Batchelor writes on his blog:

    Hosni Mubarak meeting with US former diplomat (and ex AIG vice chair) Frank Wisner signals that the Cairo regime is a slave to the US, and this reinforced the Ikhwan message that the only way forward is to capture the state and make war on the crusaders and the Jews.

    The Ikhwan are a shadow version of Hamas, dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the proselytizing of a global caliphate.

  4. basil, if Egypt ended up with a stable govt and an improving technological economy, and higher employment, and refrained from terrorism, and pretty much “joined the rest of the world” in the global economy, most people will applaud and pronounce it a great success.

    It will not matter in the slightest if women are utterly oppressed and without any rights whatsoever in that case. So long as life for the men improves, people will applaud it as a fine example of a “moderate” state.

    We don’t count. Oppression is only oppression when the men are being affected. If men are affected, we hear passionate pleas from all over the world for an end to the brutality. So long as it’s only targeted at women, the world doesn’t gives a fuck.

  5. As much as the protesters wanted Mubarek to leave immediately, they don’t have a real leader to put in his place, so are they willing to face total ciaos, watching the jackals rush into the government?

    Did anyone ever get a better leader under these conditions?

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    An excellent question. And what might make a better leader happen this time?

    (As someone pointed out, Corzine Aquino was in position as the next leader, supported by the army, before the demonstrations began.)

  6. With a bit of luck Mubarak will come on and ask Obama not to seek re-election.
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    Love it.

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    LOL!

  7. Pew researchers found that 84 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.

    Holy $hit, this is telling!!!

  8. Off topic but somehowr relevant. Jarrett and bobob- 2 peas in a pod and that’s not racist coz peas are green. 👿

    According to our tipster, Jarrett was seated at the head table along with several other big-name politicians and a handful of high-ranking military officials. As an officer sporting several stars walked past Jarrett, she signaled for his attention and said, “I’d like another glass of wine.”…

    White House economic adviser Austan Goolsbee, who was seated next to Jarret, began “cracking up nervously,” our tipster said, but no one pointed out to Jarrett that the man sporting a chestful of medals was not her waiter.

    “The guy dutifully went up and got her a glass of wine, and then came back and gave it to her and took a seat at the table,” our tipster said. “Everyone is in tuxedos and gowns at this thing, but the military people are in full dress uniform.”

  9. I wish that Egypt had a Hillary of their own to take over.

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    Cue Dial soap commercial. I wish everyone did.

  10. basil9,
    That is the most disgusting thing I’ve heard about Jarrett…OMG! She should of had that wine thrown in her face!

    This country is lost, I’m sorry when people like that are in charge…we might as well give up!

    Admin: Great article and I agree Israel is not the problem!

  11. When asked which side they would take in a struggle between “groups who want to modernize the country [and] Islamic fundamentalists,” 59 percent of Egyptians picked the fundamentalists, while 27 percent picked the modernizers.

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    What little hope I had that this peaceful protest could be a good thing……..is now GONE with this poll.

  12. I like the general “dutifully” bringing Jarrett her wine! I can imagine him and the other generals exchanging poker faces about it.

  13. Pew researchers found that 84 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.

    In another survey, Pew found that 90 percent of Egyptians say they believe in freedom of religion.

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    I don’t see how we can make any conclusions without knowing more about this apparent contradiction. My guess is that somehow the reporting or the poll questions or the proof-reading were crazy.

    So, I’d like to know just what the respondents thought ‘modernizing’ meant, and how they’d relate it to their problem with food prices etc. We think of ‘modernizing’ as religious tolerance, women’s rights, etc. Maybe they associate ‘modernizing’ with a global elite manipulation of food prices, such as h4t described.

  14. confloyd,

    I agree we are in deep sh!t with idiots like Jarrett, Muchelle and bobo in charge. it is unfrigginbelievable the way service people have been treated under the current ‘regime.” They have been demonized, diminished, demoralized. It’s a wonder that the country even has an armed forces willing to defend this country.

    I have done a couple of stories about area service people and they are so grateful to get sympathetic, encouraging and grateful coverage of the things they do for us.

  15. I certainly agree with Admin that “If Israel were to disappear today it would not stop the strife nor further expansion of global tensions. The problem is not Israel.”

    I wonder if anyone said that Israel was the problem causing this ME strife? I certainly didn’t.

  16. Well, it goes something like this.

    Yeah, I believe in freedom of religion as long as I have the freedom to cram my beliefs down your throat.

  17. I don’t see how we can make any conclusions without knowing more about this apparent contradiction. My guess is that somehow the reporting or the poll questions or the proof-reading were crazy.

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    Either that, or “freedom of religion” for them means freedom to remain in the religion you were born to. I.e. if you were born a Christian you’ll be allowed to stay one, but don’t dare convert a muslim or off with his/her head.

    On the other hand, I don’t think that’s a really recent poll, is it? Could be reaction to Mubarek and the oppression, and maybe opinions will moderate at the prospect of actually having some freedom. I have no idea.

  18. H4T

    The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to spread Islam around the world, in large part using nonviolent means. Hamas and al-Qaida are violent Brotherhood offshoots.
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    Agreed, Klein seems to have fallen asleep at the wheel on that one.
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    Pew researchers found that 84 percent of Egyptians favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.

    In another survey, Pew found that 90 percent of Egyptians say they believe in freedom of religion.
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    I think the distinction lies in the Egyptian label. When the survey was done it may have not have used similar demographics in both survey. At least thats what it looks like to me..

  19. A democratic Egypt or a state of hate?

    By Richard Cohen
    Tuesday, February 1, 2011

    Things are about to go from bad to worse in the Middle East. An Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement is nowhere in sight. Lebanon just became a Hezbollah state, which is to say that Iran has become an even more important regional power, and Egypt, once stable if tenuously so, has been pitched into chaos. This is the most dire prospect of them all. The dream of a democratic Egypt is sure to produce a nightmare.

    Egypt’s problems are immense. It has a population it cannot support, a standard of living that is stagnant and a self-image as leader of the (Sunni) Arab world that does not, really, correspond to reality. It also lacks the civic and political institutions that are necessary for democracy. The next Egyptian government – or the one after – might well be composed of Islamists. In that case, the peace with Israel will be abrogated and the mob currently in the streets will roar its approval.

    My take on all this is relentlessly gloomy. I care about Israel. I care about Egypt, too, but its survival is hardly at stake. I care about democratic values, but they are worse than useless in societies that have no tradition of tolerance or respect for minority rights. What we want for Egypt is what we have ourselves. This, though, is an identity crisis. We are not them.

    It’s impossible now to get a fix on what is happening in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be lying low. Is this a reflection of weakness or canniness? The Brotherhood remains the only well-organized institution in Egypt other than the military. It has been underground for generations – jailed, tortured, infiltrated, but still, somehow, flourishing. Its moment may be approaching.

    Under a different name (Hamas), the Muslim Brotherhood runs the Gaza Strip. Hamas’s charter states unequivocally that it wants to eradicate Israel. It mentions the 1978 Camp David accords, and not with admiration. (“Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of the struggle through the treacherous Camp David Agreement.”) No doubt that in an Egyptian election, the call to repudiate the treaty will prove popular – as popular as the peace with Israel has not been.

    The Muslim Brotherhood’s most influential thinker was the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb. He was hanged in 1966, but not before he had managed to turn out a vast amount of writings. He showed almost superhuman courage and was, in many respects, a formidable man. But he was also a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, an anti-Semite and a fervent hater of most things American. As if to prove that familiarity breeds contempt, he had spent about two years in the United States.

    The Egyptian crisis has produced the usual blather about the role of America. The United States remains powerful and important, but it has already lost control of events – not that it ever really had it. Moreover, it hardly matters what Washington now says. The Islamists of the Brotherhood do not despise America for what it does but for what it is. Read Qutb’s purplish alarm at the dress and appearance of American women. Read his racist remarks about blacks. The Islamic state Qutb envisioned would be racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian as well. It would treat women as the Taliban now does – if only because the Taliban, too, reveres Qutb. He rejected a clemency offer, saying his words would matter more if he was dead. He was right.

    Majority rule is a worthwhile idea. But so, too, are respect for minorities, freedom of religion, the equality of women and adherence to treaties, such as the one with Israel, the only democracy in the region. It’s possible that the contemporary Islamists of Egypt think differently about these matters than did Qutb. If that’s the case, then there is no cause for concern. But Hamas in the Gaza Strip, although recently moderating its message, suggests otherwise. So does Iran.

    Those Americans and others who cheer the mobs in the streets of Cairo and other Egyptian cities, who clamor for more robust anti-Mubarak statements from the Obama administration, would be wise to let Washington proceed slowly. Hosni Mubarak is history. He has stayed too long, been too recalcitrant – and, for good reason, let his fear of the future ossify the present. Egypt and the entire Middle East are on the verge of convulsing. America needs to be on the right side of human rights. But it also needs to be on the right side of history. This time, the two may not be the same.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013104014.html

  20. Thanks, Shadowfax for posting that article-
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    Anyone else notice a picture of Hillary standing center stage with Mohamed ElBaradei on Drudge? The pic seems to be and old pic from sometime during the 08′ campaign.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

  21. We don’t count. Oppression is only oppression when the men are being affected.

    We don’t count. Oppression is only oppression when the men are being affected.

    We don’t count. Oppression is only oppression when the men are being affected.

  22. Krauthammer says Obama’s speech is full of studied ambiguity. Why does he pop up now on tv right after Mubarak spoke, what is the purpose of that, says Krauthammer. He is injecting himself. Mara Liason disagrees and says Obama is correcting the record on his stance. I go with Krauthammer, especially since the WH has been saying all day that O would speak, then that Gibbs would hold a hearing, then O would speak hours later.

  23. turndown
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    turndownobama
    February 1st, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    “never would Isreal be more safe anywhere than where she is now”

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    “I’m sorry, but that statement is just … crazy. Maybe you mean something different than the words say. I hope so.

    I’m not saying that relocating Israel is really practical. But I’m tired of letting statements like the above pass.”

    No I meant nothing different. If Israel were to relocate there might be a period of relative peace followed by something much worse. May I suggest though that you spearhead a movement to relocate everyone who supported the Ground Zero mosque to a place where people actually want a mosque. Can’t have your cake and it eat it too.

  24. Gonzotx,
    Admin’s words are correct and I bet Hillary is worried sick about the women and girls! It’s all so upsetting and yet Obama has thrown all women under the bus….but yet so many say he’s pro woman….I say bullcrap!

  25. I didn’t create a partition between turndownobamas post and mine only the last paragraph was mine=

    No I meant nothing different. If Israel were to relocate there might be a period of relative peace followed by something much worse. May I suggest though that you spearhead a movement to relocate everyone who supported the Ground Zero mosque to a place where people actually want a mosque. Can’t have your cake and it eat it too.

  26. So I guess this really is a public relations nightmare for obama and his thugs.

    He was hoping to be in campaign mode but the rest of us are more concerned about Egypt. So he gives another speech that means nothing.

  27. If Israel were to relocate there might be a period of relative peace followed by something much worse.

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    In Kansas?

  28. “hawk her tacky bling.”

    O.M.G. That is a riot! Is it an old Canadian sayng? From now on, whenever I have the misfortune of catching a glimpse of Bo’s purple lips on TV or the sleeveless one I’m going to think to myself thery’re “hawking their tacky bling.”

    Love it.

    I haven’t written a song in ages but that would make a d@mn good title.
    Hawk your tacky bling.
    Might be a good title for a book, or at least a short story. 😆

  29. Jan H,
    The thought of this blankety blank and another dem convention makes me want to vomit!

    Mubarek is not going to get to stay, is he really that out of it, he doesn’t know that??? I hope he can hang on, but I don’t think so…Obama has lost Israel and next week it will be Jordan!

  30. Its pretty convenient for the “green entrepeuners” that the oil supply is going to get cut off and the price will skyrocket. All those invested in the green revolution are probably looking on this outcome with glee…and its all too convenient for Bo and Mo!

    Well when all this goes down we might as well take our boys out of the middle east and let them have it and supply Israel with whatever they need to fight them, but not our boys, only our weapons! All they need is one huge bomb and the ones used in Japan and those muslims will be stopped, but its going to take that…

  31. Mubarek is not going to get to stay, is he really that out of it, he doesn’t know that?

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    Sorry to bring in a negative note, but did any change result from Tienaman Square? Iirc it was a parallel situation: a spontaneous protest against generalized inefficiency and corruption, without a new leader to hand.

    And for that matter, the recent youth/facebook protests in Iran. The government crushed them, made examples of the survivors. Perhaps nipping in the bud any more revolutionary support for a long time.

    It may be the best outcome for the Egyptian people is to get rid of Mub now, before he tightens his grip. Even a worst case new power (MB takeover) would take time to get established, so there would be more wiggle room for improvement.

  32. yes, confloyd. Add to that the shutdown of oil fields in the gulf, the tanker and jobs exodus and it’s a recipe for an energy disaster only BO could spearhead.

    What steams me most is the government involving itself in the energy industry and daring to pretend it has the expertise to build a new industry from scratch. It doesn’t. No amount of money in the world can substitute for individual genius and energy.

    I have covered some of these green energy wind turbine prophet types and they do not know WTF they are talking about. I have heard them speak at local town board meetings and they are full of hot air.

    I do have a couple of solar powered items, mainly exterior lighting and they work well but to think this country can just get rid of coal, oil and natural gas and replace it with some mythical green energy yet to be invented, tested, proven and built is beyond insanity.

    At this point, we have to hold on for another two years until BO is out. Hopefully, we’ll survive. He is a disaster. I’m more convinced than ever he wants to destroy the country. Or make us more dependent on foreign oil. Or both.

  33. supply Israel with whatever they need to fight them, but not our boys, only our weapons! All they need is one huge bomb and the ones used in Japan and those muslims will be stopped, but its going to take that…

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    Which direction would they throw it?

  34. MRs.Smith,
    Yes I made in and I packed just in case I got iced in, but there’s little chance thats going to happen. No people are still coming in…nothing stops the sick…LOL!

  35. I agree Bo should be the new President of Eygpt along with Mo and Valerie could be the prime ministers… They can have the whole of Chicago!

  36. the government involving itself in the energy industry and daring to pretend it has the expertise to build a new industry from scratch.

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    Unlike JFK’s Apollo moon shot, which was a totally old proven project that we didn’t have to build from scratch.

    Renewable local energy will be easier, because it doesn’t have to be so closely coordinated. Different approaches in different localities are fine. So no close govt supervision planning will be needed — just keeping the grants honest.

    Palin has got 20+ % renewable going in Alaska already, shooting for 50% in a few years. Better tell her she’s full of hot air.

  37. I forgot, they could take Botox Nan for Sec. of the Navy….I just threw that in there for Wbboei…I know..we are supposed to stop that…LOL!

  38. The Obama health scam was so badly written it left out the most boilerplate of clauses which insulates an entire law and all its provisions from being overturned on the basis of one faulty provision.
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    I disagree….I don’t know the sequence of events but the “boiler plate” severable clauses were allegedly in the original draft. I suspect that an insurance lobbyist (Karen Ignagni ?) told the sock-puppet in-Chief to get that shit out of the law. The last thing that they wanted was to have mandates declared unconstitutional and then be stuck with the no pre-existing clauses. Obama got tens of millions of campaign and post campaign $$$ to follow the “script”. The basis of Obama-care was presented by Ms. Ignani in Dec. 2008 and one of the key provisions was: “All Americans should have affordable, portable coverage and that there should be an individual mandate requiring all Americans to have adequate insurance as a quid pro quo for insurance companies issuing policies with no pre-existing condition exclusions.”

  39. This all sounds like wishful thinking, but it appears to be the official Washington thinking:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/some-u-s-experts-argue-yes–20110131

    Everyone has a favorite historical analogy for popular uprisings, and the metaphors are multiplying madly as the demonstrations in Egypt grow and persist into another week. Will the Egyptian revolt end in an Islamist seizure of power like the Iranian revolution of 1979? Many on the Right — including, notably, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — fear just that outcome. Will the result resemble more the Tiananmen Square crackdown in China in 1989? In other words, the regime survives and eliminates the opposition, but appeases the public anger with economic reform? Well, the Egyptian military already seems to have decided it won’t be like that — by not cracking down. But whatever the political outcome — whether President Hosni Mubarak survives or not — economic reform will certainly be the minimum acceptable to Egypt’s unhappy young people.

    Or is the Egyptian turmoil more like, as a former senior State Department official said on Monday, “May 1968”? Those were the wild student protests in Paris that reverberated around the world, threatening to overturn Charles de Gaulle’s government but not quite getting there. There were many knock-on effects of the demonstrations, including a conservative backlash that arguably included the election of Richard Nixon in the United States that year, but revolution wasn’t one of them. “It was this spirit that was infectious,” said the former official. “But no one knew the outcome.”

    That’s the only certainty now as well — no one really knows. It is quite possible that the rapid toppling of two long-entrenched Arab dictators — first, Tunisia’s Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, then possibly Mubarak — could spread quickly to other regimes, especially since economic discontent seems a central motivation. In Jordan, where the unemployment rate is 13.4 percent compared to Egypt’s 9.7 percent (according to CIA estimates), King Abdullah is also running a police state that brooks no dissent. In Yemen, Ali Abdullah Saleh is presiding over terrible poverty and an unemployment rate that the CIA says runs as high as 35 percent. Saudi Arabia is ostensibly rich and under rigid control, but unemployment is higher (10.8 percent) there than in Egypt.

    Still, the betting among some of the more sober-minded analysts of Arab and Middle East politics inside and outside the U.S. government is that the turmoil in Egypt is likely containable politically — that it sends reverberations throughout the region but without a wave of revolution to follow. “I don’t see it as a brush fire spreading across the Middle East, but it is going to have an impact across the Middle East,” said Barbara Bodine, the former ambassador to Yemen and a longtime specialist in Near East affairs. “It has been a game-changer in how people see their governments and their ability to change them.” But that still is a long way from revolution. After all, the last one to occur in the region had been the Iranian revolution — and that remained a one-off event for three decades, until Tunisia.

    Overturning a government requires that a whole array of unusual circumstances align at once, not least of which is a leader who turns and flees, as Ben Ali did to the surprise of many experts. “King Abdullah of Jordan and the Gulf Arab leaders have the ability to adapt. And Abdullah has, more than Mubarak, pushed for reforms,” said a U.S. official involved in analyzing the Arab world. “Remember in 2003 to 2005, when people were predicting another Arab spring. The Iraqis were holding elections. So were the Palestinians. There were a lot of predictions that got way ahead of where the facts were. The spillover or domino effect tends to be less than people fear it will.

    Beyond that, while Egypt was once seen as the aristocracy of the Arab world — the country that others looked to — its time of influence has passed. “Egypt has not been center of gravity in the Middle East for a very long time, in terms of education, in terms of money, the arts, the media,” Bodine said. “The aristocracy is often the last to know their time is over.” Indeed, Egypt’s government is uniquely despised for precisely the reason that it has been so stagnant in its policies. “What you had was this gerontocracy sitting on top of an ossified bureaucracy,” Bodine added. “I think what you’re watching is this utter frustration, not that things were going badly, but they weren’t going at all.”

    Still, it is impossible to know how things will play out, not only today but, just as importantly, months from now. Revolts and movements can get hijacked, as happened in 1917 (to deploy another favorite analogy). The early Bolsheviks were nobodies in Russia before the Revolution, but thanks to the combined ineptitude of Tsar Nicholas II and Alexander Kerensky — the first representing bumbling monarchy, the latter the most indecisive sort of democracy — Lenin and co. established their “dictatorship of the proletariat” with a swiftness that surprised even them.

    If Mubarak goes, will what seems now to be an encouraging and somewhat hopeful grassroots movement get hijacked by the most organized political force left in the country — the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Place your bets.

  40. SHV, we linked to a blog report on a New York Times article which suggests that it was boobery. Who knows however? It is difficult to separate boobery from treachery:

    http://patterico.com/2010/11/27/learning-what-is-in-obamacare-the-severability-edition/

    Virginia’s attorney general, Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, a Republican who filed the Richmond lawsuit, argues that if Judge Hudson rejects the insurance requirement he should instantly invalidate the entire act on a nationwide basis.

    Mr. Cuccinelli and the plaintiffs in the Florida case, who include attorneys general or governors from 20 states, have emphasized that Congressional bill writers did not include a “severability clause” that would explicitly protect other parts of the sprawling law if certain provisions were struck down.

    An earlier version of the legislation, which passed the House last November, included severability language. But that clause did not make it into the Senate version, which ultimately became law. A Democratic aide who helped write the bill characterized the omission as an oversight.

    Without such language, the Supreme Court, through its prior rulings, essentially requires judges to try to determine whether Congress would have enacted the rest of a law without the unconstitutional provisions.

    The Justice Department, which represents the Obama administration, acknowledges that several of the law’s central provisions, like the requirement that insurers cover those with pre-existing conditions, cannot work unless both the healthy and the unhealthy are mandated to have insurance. Otherwise, consumers could simply buy coverage when they needed treatment, causing the insurance market to “implode,” the federal government asserts.

    The administration argues that other key provisions do not depend on the insurance mandate. Those provisions include establishing health insurance exchanges, subsidizing premiums through tax credits and expanding Medicaid eligibility, all scheduled for 2014.

  41. Interesting and knowledgeable perspectives here:

    http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/i-beg-to-differ/
    …in many ways, the armed forces rule Egypt, says analyst Daniel Brumberg at the U.S. Institute for Peace. Mubarak, himself a former Air Force commander, has deftly used American taxpayers’ dollars to underpin not just the military but his entire government. Egyptian generals are a privileged elite, enjoying weekends and retirements in breezy villas by the sea. They make clear that they expect a say in who rules the Arab world’s most populous country once Mubarak leaves the scene. Keeping the U.S. military aid flowing dominates Mubarak’s foreign policy, defined first and foremost in the region by its cold peace with Israel. After all, the annual influx of U.S. military aid ranks up there with tourism and Suez Canal tolls as Egypt’s main sources of revenue.

  42. For someone who takes objection to the use of catchall phrase for issues you disagree with you sure like throwing them around yourself.

    “Renewable local energy.” AKA, government subsidized taxpayer funded often meaningless irrelevant research.

    I wouldn’t call SP ‘full of hot air’ but it does seem to describe other people perfectly.

  43. I wouldn’t call SP ‘full of hot air’ but it does seem to describe other people perfectly.

    ===============

    When SP grants you an interview, let us know if you disagree with her support of, sorry, local renewable energy projects.

  44. TurnDownObama, that article you cite might be cause for a sick kind of optimism. They are so corrupt they might be persuadable in order not to lose money. Sad when corruption and looting of American money are hooks for warped optimism.

    The best result from this would be if secular parties organize and secular leaders emerge and unite behind a leader who wants to bring Egypt to its former glory and leadership in the Arab world via modernization and democratization. This could be a positive development if democracy leads to enlightened leadership.

    There are protests “planned” for Syria this week but no doubt the government there will impose “Hama Rules”.

  45. Who knows however? It is difficult to separate boobery from treachery:
    **********
    Anything is possible but with trillions of dollars at risk, I think that the lobbyists and “revolving door” Congressional staffers who wrote the law knew exactly what they were doing. It is now the public and the members of Congress who are now finding out what is in the law. The winners are the Insurance companies, Pharma and the Hospital industry; everyone else gets f*cked.

  46. Mrs. Clinton’s Fine Line

    February 1, 2011

    Morality tales make for decent theater but lousy diplomacy. In the perfect world that some Americans seem to inhabit, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should have thrown Hosni Mubarak under the proverbial bus within minutes of the first street protest in Cairo. The protesters in Egypt, after all, looked very much like the brave crowds that gathered in Tiananmen Square more than two decades ago, or the earnest dissidents who so recently demanded liberation from the half-crazed mullahs who rule Iran. It was hard not to sympathize with them.

    Mrs. Clinton and the Obama administration wisely avoided giving into sentiment during the opening days of what clearly is a full-fledged revolution in Egypt. Even as commentators on the nightly cable shows pleaded with Washington to accept the inevitable by ditching Mr. Mubarak, Mrs. Clinton managed to put the practical matter of national interest ahead of romantic idealism. The U.S. and Israel have had good reason to support Mr. Mubarak, for he supported his nation’s peace treaty with Israel and helped to isolate the rogue Hamas regime in Gaza. Mr. Mubarak has been far from a perfect ally, but he has been useful on life-and-death issues in a volatile region of the world. In the imperfect, practical world of international relations, Mr. Mubarak’s behavior towards the U.S. and Israel merited some dispensation, however distasteful that may seem to purists.

    So Mrs. Clinton had no small assignment last week. By acknowledging the grievances of impoverished, frustrated Egyptians, Mrs. Clinton signaled the administration’s ambivalence about Mr. Mubarak’s long tenure. By asking Mr. Mubarak to implement reform-a laughable goal now, and perhaps even then, but not an unworthy request-Mrs. Clinton made it clear that Washington still regarded him as Egypt’s legitimate leader.

    All that has changed now, and more surely will change in the coming hours and days. Mr. Mubarak’s days as Egypt’s president are numbered, and now the U.S. and Israel must prepare for an uncertain relationship with this important Arab nation.

    In looking back, however, nobody can accuse Mrs. Clinton and the administration she represents of abandoning an ally. And nobody can say that she was blind to the passion and idealism that emboldened ordinary Egyptians to demand an end to Mr. Mubarak’s rule.

    Mrs. Clinton, like most of us, lives in an imperfect world. She understood that reality and, to her credit, acted and reacted accordingly. Not an easy task, but carried out as well as could be expected.

    http://www.observer.com/2011/opinion/mrs-clintons-fine-line

  47. er…

    Rivers: ‘Hillary Clinton has perfect style’

    Tuesday, February 1 2011

    Joan Rivers has praised US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s “perfect” personal style.

    The comedian told The Huffington Post that Clinton has developed a fashion sense that never distracts from her role as a diplomat.

    “I think Hillary Clinton’s style is perfect. Perfect,” she said. “You don’t notice what she’s wearing, you notice the woman… Whatever she’s doing is absolutely right.”

    Rivers went on to assert that politicians should always dress conservatively in order to appear dignified to the public.

    She explained: “You represent our country. Look simple. Let them watch your mouth. I like my politicians and my judges and my lawyers to be simple. I think if you worry about when your hemline is you’re really not concentrating on the world crisis.”

    http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a301503/rivers-hillary-clinton-has-perfect-style.html

  48. SHV, a point in your favor is that the Judge Vinson rejection of the entire legislation is one that the insurance and pharmaceutical companies could live with. They would be less happy, as the Virginia decision came down, if the law would survive while they still had to provide additional “benefits” meager as they are.

    You might be exactly on point (Vinson too) that this was not a mistake, but a ploy to keep Big Insurance and Big PhaRma on board. But we won’t discount boobery yet. 🙂

  49. February 01, 2011

    The Ellen DeGeneres Interview That Will Haunt President Obama

    Long before his administration went into federal court to fight 27 states that are now challenging the constitutionality of the federal government forcing people to buy health insurance, then-presidential candidate Barack Obama told Ellen DeGeneres that—unlike his opponent Hillary Clinton—he opposed forcing the uninsured to buy health insurance, saying that it would be like forcing the homeless to buy homes.

    “Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care. She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it,” Obama said in a Feb. 28, 2008 appearance on Ellen DeGeneres’ television show. “So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn’t.”

    http://nation.foxnews.com/health-care/2011/02/01/ellen-degeneres-interview-will-haunt-president-obama

  50. JanH, Joan Rivers describes the difference between style and fashion. Michelle Obama’s wild outfits are “fashion” which call attention to the clothes. Whatever Hillary wears what we notice is the face with a big smile (aided and abetted with one of those wonderful “cackles” which are really an expression of joy.)

    Style is forever. Fashion often becomes an embarrassment (as anyone who looks at their high school yearbook picture, no matter what the year, understands).

  51. admin,

    I admit to being a little shocked that Ms. Rivers of all people came out and described how we all feel about Hillary.

    I’m glad she did though.

  52. JanH
    February 1st, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    She hates MO I believe. She had a comedy special on HBO, I think, and I thought it was obvious from what she said…” jokingly “

  53. good grief…Joan Rivers speaks the truth….Mo’s fashion is an embarrassment and Hillary’s style is “forever”….she is right on target with that analogy!

  54. I don’t buy the boobery story. My preferred theory on why the severability clause was in the HCR bill, then was taken out, is that the Dims thought they were hamstringing republicans. Remember, at this time, none of them were taking the teaparty and their talk of the constitution seriously – they were drunk on power and convinced the people would settle down. So I don’t think they considered a serious court challenge on constitutional grounds.

    When you include a severability clause, you can repeal bits and pieces of a bill without repealing the entire thing. The Dims were afraid that the R’s would do just that – start stripping it of this and that until there was nothing left. They wanted to prevent that, and make the R’s have to try repeal the whole thing (even the popular parts) in order to get rid of it, because they figured that would be a tougher thing for them to do.

    They removed the severability clause on purpose, to thwart the R’s, and in the process screwed their own pooch because the thing that keeps it “all of one piece” to protect it from dismantling is also the thing that keeps it all of one piece for the trashbin if even one part is found unconstitutional.

  55. Anyway, if the Generals really are, er, calling the shots, then Hillary was right on in immediately talking about not firing on the protestors. That’s the bottom line of it all. If the Generals refuse to fire (whatever excuse they give), then the protestors may prevail.

    So there’s Hillary giving the Generals a big public dogwhistle jerking their money chain, without giving any new leader the US kiss of death, and sounding harmlessly platitudinal so as not to obviously speak ahead of her ‘boss’….

    SMAAART Hillary.

  56. Pardon my French –

    Fuck you Sean Hannity!!!!!

    He just called Hillary inept!

    😡

    (About the things she said on Sunday, not saying what Sean thinks she should have said.)

    Were is my frying pan, I want to toss it at my tv……………

  57. tim
    February 1st, 2011 at 8:48 pm
    “Tea Party is like the Muslim Brotherhood.”

    Does anyone even take this moron Tweety seriously??
    ____________________

    Frankly, I’m astounded Tweety continues selling dangerous metaphors to the masses as synonymous. Although, I think this is an “R” driven meme, they have a tendency towards utilizing double entendre.

    example: 9/11

  58. Shadow-

    Fuck you Sean Hannity!!!!!

    He just called Hillary inept!
    ____________________

    I never watch him. He looks like a guy that comes to your party and gorges himself on your pretzels and beer.

  59. I never watch him. He looks like a guy that comes to your party and gorges himself on your pretzels and beer.

    ————
    😆 😆

    Yes he does, and I’m sure he would.
    Too darn funny.

    My days watching him are numbered. I only like to hear him go off on Barry.

  60. Shadowfax,
    Exactly what did Shawn think she should of said???? Get back to work or we’ll send in the F15’s, WTF?? This man doesn’t even know what to do…he all mouth!

  61. For anyone still interested in the Insider story…

    White House Insider: Proceed At Your Own Peril

    After repeated attempts to obtain a followup response to our last communication, our D.C. Insider gives little more than a brief warning to back off the many questions surrounding Barack Obama’s birth and citizenship.

    Author’s Note: This brief email was the only response finally received from Insider after multiple attempts to obtain follow up responses to our last communication. I continue to make requests for further clarification. It should be noted that within Insider’s previous response, they made mention of increased activity and concern surrounding the myriad Obama “birther” questions. Following that communication, there followed substantially more chatter even by more mainstream media sources regarding the subject. After some consideration I have decided to publish this message – and continue researching the information surrounding the birth of our current president. As Insider admits in this most recent message – “there is something there.”

    Some information in the following communication has been deleted.

    ______

    Insider: Can’t respond much at this time. Too busy with all of the chaos coming at us these days. May be out of work soon! Crazy stuff. Simply urge you to lay off the birther angle at this time. Strongly urge. To proceed is at your own peril. Please take warning seriously. This is not a small town cop shop situation here. Let someone else try and make name on this one.

    Don’t blame you as it was me who brought up subject last time. Since then heard repeated rumors/confirmations of attempted “purge” coming down the pike. WH/media going on the offensive bigtime on issue. Has already started as you probably know. Talking very specific, very confrontational, very scary stuff here. Don’t wish to drag you into that. Much bigger fish are circling this. They can survive what could be coming. Not sure about me. Let the big players handle this now. This thing will either break out big or disappear. Apologize for past doubt/ridicule. There is something there. 100% certain of it. God help us.

    Respond more in 1-2 weeks. Have much better grasp of situation at that time. Too crazy right now. -Deleted- was as shocking a moment in career. WH and union thugs are kicking our ass and now this. Never seen anything like it. People who thought -deleted- were tough have no idea. This is whole other level. Too old for this. Too dumb for this. Or both.

    Give me a few weeks to see how it shakes out.

  62. I’d give Shawn about 5 minutes less than I’d give Potus if each had to confront a dictator…both would be peeing down their legs and trying to get behind Hillary!

  63. confloyd

    Shadowfax,
    Exactly what did Shawn think she should of said???? Get back to work or we’ll send in the F15’s, WTF?? This man doesn’t even know what to do…he all mouth!

    ———
    Sean thought Barry, Joe and Hillary should have warned the Egyptian protesters that the radical groups that might take over their country would have the same results as Iran.

    Jerk.

  64. Shadowfax,
    That insider thing is something…especially now…reading it after Egypt is blowing up! WOW! I wonder what all the implications are???

  65. #
    Shadowfax
    February 1st, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Like Admin says, MO’s style comes hot off the Pepboys conveyer-belt.
    _______________________

    Her fancy day clothes are not age appropriate. She never looks in a 3 way mirror at the baggage she’s carrying (behind) otherwise, why would she select short billowy bell skirts that accentuate the negative? The color black can only do so much.

  66. Shadowfax,
    I guess he didn’t get to read the Egyptian polls, huh??? The idiots want it…of coarse the women don’t but hey the men do and they are the only ones who count!

  67. These people don’t want to hear the truth! Shawn is stupid if he thinks they Egyptians are going to listen to that BS….besides in my estimation…this is exactly what Barry, Zbig, Soros, Kissinger want! They’d rather deal with Arabs for the oil!

  68. I read Bebe convened a high level military meeting with his generals at a base! Did you all see that at Depka??

  69. #
    confloyd
    February 1st, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Mrs. Smith,
    I love your analogy of the FIrst Lady’s baggage!!!
    _______________________

    I can’t help it, confloyd. Every time she turns around or bends over
    I smile and hold my breath a minute, we might be unwitting parties to a “commando” moment.
    if it’s a little windyon the walk to the helicopter.

    Since then heard repeated rumors/confirmations of attempted “purge” coming down the pike. WH/media going on the offensive bigtime on issue. Has already started as you probably know. Talking very specific, very confrontational, very scary stuff here. Don’t wish to drag you into that. Much bigger fish are circling this. They can survive what could be coming. Not sure about me. Let the big players handle this now. This thing will either break out big or disappear. Apologize for past doubt/ridicule. There is something there. 100% certain of it. God help us.

  70. I just finished reading this article and the previous article that the admin wrote concerning Egypt. I couldn’t agree more with the admin’s analysis. These are dangerous times in the Middle East. When considering the responses to the polling of the citizens of Egypt with regards to democracy, the military, and religion, it is apparent that democracy is not compatible with the average Egyptian’s concept of life. I look at Egypt as Iran ll. Those in the west who are cheering on the protesters are very shortsighted, but what else is new with these more than likely “progressives”. These people have their heads up their asses. It will be a miracle if a true democracy ever comes out of this situation. It is more likely that the iron curtain of Islam will descend, and eventually spread throughout the region. Coptic Christians are in a perilous situation. I pray for them. Israel is also in much danger here. I am really starting to wonder about Biblical prophecy vis a vis what is happening in the Middle East at this time. I would like to see what Russia is up to in the near future. I for one am not cheering about this development.

  71. Laughing to myself I forgot about the second part of my post..
    ___________________

    Shadowfax, I’ve been wondering what happened to Ulsterman…

    “Since then heard repeated rumors/confirmations of attempted “purge” coming down the pike. WH/media going on the offensive bigtime on issue. Has already started as you probably know. Talking very specific, very confrontational, very scary stuff here. Don’t wish to drag you into that. Much bigger fish are circling this. They can survive what could be coming. Not sure about me. Let the big players handle this now. This thing will either break out big or disappear. Apologize for past doubt/ridicule. There is something there. 100% certain of it. God help us.”
    _________________________

    His level of fear is extraordinary- He must be referring to the deaths of Obama’s upper level officials. I remember reading one was found in a dumpster (?).. the story buried after a few days.

    Then another, a few days ago, was found dead… I think in his car(?) Soros must be sending foreign born thugs to silence anyone speaking about the BC. The Russians and Chechnyan’s are cold, brutal killers. to them is just a job, all in a days work. Beyond our comprehension.

    I don’t think their deaths were done so much for protecting Obama as much as controlling the headlines. That headline is/was the upheaval going on in Egypt and the connection of the Muslim Brotherhood becoming part of the everyday vernacular in American households.

    Now that we know for sure Soros and even Bill Gates is involved, knowingly or unknowingly, condoning the removal of Mubarek under controlled circumstances. While the MBs play out their role, moving in like thieves in the night, stepping in, filling the vacuum created by Mubarek stepping down.

  72. This should cheer everyone up:

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Qaida+brink+using+nuclear+bomb/4205104/story.html

    Al-Qaida is on the verge of producing radioactive weapons after sourcing nuclear material and recruiting rogue scientists to build “dirty” bombs, according to leaked diplomatic documents.

    A leading atomic regulator has privately warned that the world stands on the brink of a “nuclear 9/11”.

    Security briefings suggest that jihadi groups are also close to producing “workable and efficient” biological and chemical weapons that could kill thousands if unleashed in attacks on the West.

    Thousands of classified American cables obtained by the WikiLeaks website and passed to The Daily Telegraph detail the international struggle to stop the spread of weapons-grade nuclear, chemical and biological material around the globe.

    At a Nato meeting in January 2009, security chiefs briefed member states that al-Qaida was plotting a program of “dirty radioactive IEDs”, makeshift nuclear roadside bombs that could be used against British troops in Afghanistan.

    As well as causing a large explosion, a “dirty bomb” attack would contaminate the area for many years.

    The briefings also state that al-Qaida documents found in Afghanistan in 2007 revealed that “greater advances” had been made in bioterrorism than was previously realized. An Indian national security adviser told American security personnel in June 2008 that terrorists had made a “manifest attempt to get fissile material” and “have the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb”. [snip]

    Freight trains were found to be carrying weapons-grade nuclear material across the Kazakhstan-Russia border, highly enriched uranium was transported across Uganda by bus, and a “small time hustler” in Lisbon offered to sell radioactive plates stolen from Chernobyl.

    In one incident in September 2009, two employees at the Rossing Uranium Mine in Namibia smuggled almost half a ton of uranium concentrate powder – yellowcake – out of the compound in plastic bags. [snip]

    Tomihiro Taniguchi, the deputy director general of the IAEA, has privately warned America that the world faces the threat of a “nuclear 9/11” if stores of uranium and plutonium were not secured against terrorists.

    But diplomats visiting the IAEA’s Austrian headquarters in April 2008 said that there was “no way to provide perimeter security” to its own laboratory because it has windows that leave it vulnerable to break-ins.

    Senior British defence officials have raised “deep concerns” that a rogue scientist in the Pakistani nuclear program “could gradually smuggle enough material out to make a weapon”, according to a document detailing official talks in London in February 2009.

    Agricultural stores of deadly biological pathogens in Pakistan are also vulnerable to “extremists” who could use supplies of anthrax, foot and mouth disease and avian flu to develop lethal biological weapons.

    Anthrax and other biological agents including smallpox, and avian flu could be sprayed from a shop-bought aerosol can in a crowded area, leaked security briefings warn.

    The security of the world’s only two declared smallpox stores in Atlanta, America, and Novosibirsk, Russia, has repeatedly been called into doubt by “a growing chorus of voices” at meetings of the World Health Assembly documented in the leaked cables.

    The alarming disclosures come after Barack Obama, the U.S. president, last year declared nuclear terrorism “the single biggest threat” to international security with the potential to cause “extraordinary loss of life”.

  73. More cheerful news:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8296860/WikiLeaks-FBI-hunts-the-911-gang-that-got-away.html

    Secret documents reveal that the three Qatari men conducted surveillance on the targets, provided “support” to the plotters and had tickets for a flight to Washington on the eve of the atrocities.

    The suspected terrorists flew from London to New York on a British Airways flight three weeks before the attacks.

    They allegedly carried out surveillance at the World Trade Centre, the White House and in Virginia, the US state where the Pentagon and CIA headquarters are located.

    Ten days later they flew to Los Angeles, where they stationed themselves in a hotel near the airport which the FBI has now established was paid for by a “convicted terrorist”, who also paid for their airline tickets.

    Hotel staff have told investigators they saw pilot uniforms in their room along with computer print outs detailing pilot names, flight numbers and times and packages addressed to Syria, Afghanistan, Jerusalem and Jordan.

    On September 10 they were booked on an American Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Washington, but failed to board. The following day the same Boeing 757 aircraft was hijacked by five terrorists and crashed into the Pentagon.

    But, instead of boarding the American flight, the Qatari suspects – named as Meshal Alhajri, Fahad Abdulla and Ali Alfehaid – flew back to London on a British Airways flight before returning to Qatar. Their current location is unknown.

    Investigators are also hunting a fourth man, Mohamed Al Mansoori, who they say supported the alleged terrorist cell while they were in the US.

    The man, who is from the United Arab Emirates, previously lived in Long Beach, Los Angeles. His current location is also unknown, and US officials recommended that he is put on an international terror watch list because he “may pose a threat to aviation in the US and abroad”.

    The details of the secret 9/11 team have emerged in a secret American government document obtained by the Wikileaks website and passed to The Daily Telegraph. It was sent between the American Embassy in Doha and the Department for Homeland Security in Washington.

    The document, sent on 11th February 2010, states: “Mr Al Mansoori is currently under investigation by the FBI for his possible involvement in the 11 September 2001 attacks. He is suspected of aiding people who entered the US before the attacks to conduct surveillance of possible targets and providing other support to the hijackers.”

    Details of the unknown 9/11 alleged plotters has never previously been disclosed. An official inquiry into the 9/11 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people, indicated that the hijackers may have received assistance in Los Angeles but investigators did not publicly provide more details.

    The 9/11 Commission report, published in July 2004, states that at least two of the hijackers previously visited Los Angeles but, at the time, investigators appeared to have little information on their movements. The report states they had a “brief stay in Los Angeles about which we know little”.

    Only one person – Zacarias Moussaoui – has been tried and convicted over involvement in the 9/11 attacks as all the terrorists died in the crashed planes. Moussaoui, accused of being the twentieth hijacker, was sentenced to life in prison.

    The secret American document contains detailed information about the movements of the three alleged Qatari plotters.

    They took BA flight 185 from London to New York on 15th August, 2001, and the memo alleges that they subsequently conducted “surveillance” on potential targets ahead of the 9/11 attacks. It states: “They visited the World Trade Centre, the Statue of Liberty, the White House and various areas in Virginia.”

    They then flew on an American Airlines flight from Washington to Los Angeles, arriving on 24th August and checking into a single room at a hotel near the airport. They paid for the room with cash and during the last few days of their stay requested that their room should not be cleaned.

    The cable states: “Hotel cleaning staff grew suspicious of the men because they noticed pilot type uniforms, several laptops and several cardboard boxes addressed to Syria, Jerusalem, Afghanistan and Jordan in the room on previous cleaning visits.

    “The men had a smashed cellular phone in the room and a cellular phone attached by wire to a computer. The room also contained pin feed computer paper print outs with headers listing pilot names, airlines, flight numbers, and flight times.”

    While in the US, they were aided by Mohamed Ali Mohamed Al Mansoori. The secret document also states that the three Qatari men spent a week travelling with Mr Al Mansoori to “different destinations in California”.[snip]

    It is not known whether the FBI believe that the men were simply assisting the hijackers or were a fifth cell who pulled out at the final moment. Alternatively, they may have been planning an attack on the West Coast of America or even London which was abandoned or went wrong.

    Mr Al Mansoori has never been publicly named in connection with the 9/11 attacks. The three Qatari men were included on an FBI list of more than 300 people who were wanted for questioning in connection with the 9/11 attacks, which was leaked in 2002.

  74. admin
    February 1st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    What I’m sensing about the Muslim Brotherhood afa/Soros/Obama machinations planning for the New World Order is… they are their “new” army of ‘boots on the ground’, similar to the manpower provided by the MOVE-ON strategy used in 2008 primarys.

    They are definitely cued in for giving the assist to Hammas and Al-Qaida. They can move more freely within the different enclaves of Middle Eastern cultures. The example is the professor recently having his ban lifted by BO last week allowing him unlimited contact with American Muslims in the US.

  75. Shadowfax,
    What I remember about this insider was that he was a backer of Obama and he isn’t now, right?

    Then he said he might lose his job?? Well who do we know that is on the inside that recently lost his job??

    KO, I wonder if this is who this is??? Who knows, we all thought it was Rahm, but I don’t think so….that letter from the insider was very cryptic!

  76. That “God help us” remark is awfully scary because apparently the “insider” knows who Barry really is!

    KO did say he knew too much!

  77. Hillary successfully let it be known that the protestors should not be harmed, but did not through Murbarak immediately under the bus until events unfolded…once it was obvious he could not stay, Bambi comes running out like the great defender of freedom (where was he in Theran last yr). Essentially, Bambi did what his whole life..when action needed to be taken , he voted “present”, but once others did his dirty work, he came out to take credit . Just like his bs on the Iraq war vote which he used against Hillary in the primaries…

  78. Bambi comes running out like the great defender of freedom (where was he in Theran last yr).

    ==================

    I’ve noticed no one is talking about THAT. They’re all acting like this ‘revolution by social media’ were a new thing NOW, ignoring how it turned out last time.

    Maybe they CAN feel shame.

  79. Talking very specific, very confrontational, very scary stuff here. Don’t wish to drag you into that. Much bigger fish are circling this. They can survive what could be coming. Not sure about me. Let the big players handle this now. This thing will either break out big or disappear. Apologize for past doubt/ridicule. There is something there. 100% certain of it. God help us.”

    ===============

    Oh, what a poseur that Ulster and INsider both are!

  80. nomobama
    February 1st, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    “It will be a miracle if a true democracy ever comes out of this situation. It is more likely that the iron curtain of Islam will descend, and eventually spread throughout the region. Coptic Christians are in a perilous situation. I pray for them. Israel is also in much danger here. I am really starting to wonder about Biblical prophecy vis a vis what is happening in the Middle East at this time. I would like to see what Russia is up to in the near future. I for one am not cheering about this development.”
    ______________________________

    Their version of democracy will be a ruse, whatever they want to call it- And yes, Nostradamus’ biblical prophecy occurred to me too. We need to say it, Armageddon to make it real.

    There are two or three different interests in a convergence of symbiotic relationships happening here. The drivers are Soros and his clan.

    …. The New World Order.. (Soros, the IMF, the Neocons, the elites)

    …. The radical Muslims attaining a recognized world wide power structure through religion (most likely unaware of the total picture, they are tools for accomplishing the NWO)

    …. Knowing the level of hatred Soros has for the Jews, they are perfectly suited partners in crimes against humanity. The millenniums long desire of Radical Muslims occupying the Holy Land and all of Israel which includes the shoreline. The Neocons affinity for the supposed invincible power in possessing religious artifacts found in Israel.

  81. Mrs. Smith,
    Well you are right according to Revelation, Israel will be surrounded by enemies, which is exactly what is happening.
    Oil is the lynchpin…for control of the world and of coarse the New World Order. Those Bilderbergers are behind this and have used perfectly innocent non-religious studied people to advance their causes unbenounced to them….stupid democrats! Neocon’s have ALWAYS been on the side of the NEW World Order, heck they invented it….

  82. Jeeze Admin, such trinkets of sunshine you dropped………I have to be in some form or denial or I would be scared to death over all this.

  83. confloyd
    February 1st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    That “God help us” remark is awfully scary because apparently the “insider” knows who Barry really is!

    KO did say he knew too much!
    ———-
    Who is KO?

  84. Neocon’s have ALWAYS been on the side of the NEW World Order, heck they invented it….

    ================

    I thought Neocons were the ones with rebel flags on their pickup trucks and bumper stickers saying “Get US out of UN”

  85. Who is KO, you don’t know? Think of the big orange blog…a person who was recently fired and was a bigtime bot!

  86. #
    Shadowfax
    February 1st, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Mrs. S. and Conloyd…are you sure of this Soros stuff or is this an Xfile?

    _____________________________

    The involvement of Soros and Bill Gates I wrote about the other day. I found the link to him after the discussion of Mohammed ElBaradei with admin.. I think it’s midway in the last thread… I’ll see if I can find it and give you the time stamp.

  87. #
    Shadowfax
    February 1st, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    ….crickets….

    Really??????
    ____________________

    Shadow, I went downstairs to make a cup of tea.

    confloyd is playing with you…;)

    KO is Keith Olberman.

  88. Whoever that “insider” is supposed to be (IF he’s even real), he is supposedly someone active working in Dem politics for years, and was a part of the administration or political staff. He’s a political operative. That’s not KO.

  89. February 2nd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    My writing is mine.

    I don’t plagiarize other people’s writings
    from other blogs like some people.

  90. HillaryforTexas
    February 2nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    The KO that confloyd is talking about sure is Keith Olberman.

  91. #
    confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 12:06 am

    ROTFLMAO!!!
    ________________

    I know, she thinks we can’t tell.

    Coherency is consistent- not intermittent..

  92. I’ve always wondered why Mo wears Mary Tyler Moore’s sweaters…you remember the Dick Van Dyke Show…Mary Tyler Moore always wore those very same sweaters that now our First Lady wears! She even fix’s her wig in the same fashion!

  93. MO got the wig idea from Oprah- look closely at the hairline edging the forehead of both of them.
    __________________________

    Shadowfax:

    The article including Bill Gates with Soros is in the last thread.

    Here is the time stamp:
    ___________________

    Mrs. Smith
    January 31st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Mohamed ElBaradei: Globalist Pied Piper Of The Egyptian Revolt

    Paul Joseph Watson

  94. confloyd is playing with you…;)

    KO is Keith Olberman.

    ———–
    Confloyd….you scamp. I am gonna get you for this. 😉
    I was totally freaked out.

  95. Well I guess I’ll have to delete TaylorMarsh off my facebook page….she’s lost it again.

    Her last article suggests Obama’s brillance and the article before that suggests Hillary’s statement was Carteresque!

    This woman is nutz!

    Odumbo is NOT brilliant!

  96. Well its almost time for my frozen 36 mile ride home…LOL! I’ll check in to see if you all have figured out WHO the insider is???

  97. confloyd, shadowfax – Hannity was on in the background, and if I recall, he was saying (not his exact words): why did she go on all 5 Sunday shows? This is a delicate situation, and the slightest wrong word could cause big problems.

    What, she should read from a teleprompter the words written by a 26 year old misogynist? For heaven’s sake, she’s the SOS, it’s her area, she knows what she’s doing! He’s a total idealogue, she could discover the cure to keep his parents healthy, and he’d still have a problem with her.

  98. lorac
    February 2nd, 2011 at 12:40 am

    confloyd, shadowfax – Hannity was on in the background, and if I recall, he was saying (not his exact words): why did she go on all 5 Sunday shows? This is a delicate situation, and the slightest wrong word could cause big problems.
    ———
    Yes, but in the context of what he was talking about, the void that might be filled with extremists, he was upset that O, Joe and Hillary were not more straight forward in calling out a warning to the protesters about who could fill that void.
    He did call Hillary ‘inept’ because she was supporting Barry’s non committal stance.

    At least, that’s what I recall.

    Hannity calling Hillary inept sent me into a rage.

  99. Admin, I HATE my Senior Photo. Part of the problem was I was trying to be something I was not, following the crowd. I graduated, and grew up, and now I have developed my own style, which people compliment me on all the time. I don’t have a natural beauty, but I have learned how to be me.

    HRC has learned how to be HRC. That is what I love about her. She does not put on airs.

  100. But diplomats visiting the IAEA’s Austrian headquarters in April 2008 said that there was “no way to provide perimeter security” to its own laboratory because it has windows that leave it vulnerable to break-ins.
    *****

    And they can’t cement them up? WTF

  101. Shadowfax – no, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I just posted all that I caught – I wasn’t paying attention to the bum!

  102. I thought Neocons were the ones with rebel flags on their pickup trucks and bumper stickers saying “Get US out of UN”
    **********
    The “father” of Neoconservatism is said to be Irving Kristol. Influential neo-cons in American policy include, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, Richard Perle and Irving’s son William. Neocons have nothing to do with those still fighting the War of Southern Secession.

  103. We are going to “Political correct” ourself’s to death. Below found at ACE
    *****

    EU Foreign Minister Just Can’t Quite Bring Herself to Admit that Christians Were Attacked
    —Gabriel Malor

    I bring this up only because it echoes President Obama’s statement, wherein he had to make up fictitious Muslim victims because he couldn’t just admit that the New Years attacks were against Christians.

    As I wrote then, it doesn’t fit within the warped worldview of leftists to admit that Christians are being murdered by members of the Religion of PeaceTM.

    Talks ended angrily when Italy accused Lady Ashton, the EU’s foreign minister, of “excessive” political correctness because she refused to name any specific religious group as a victim of attacks.
    Franco Frattini, the Italian foreign minister, demanded an EU response on the persecution of Christians after a New Year suicide bombing at a Coptic church in northern Egypt in which 23 people were killed.

    The Egyptian bombing followed attacks in Baghdad and fears, expressed by the Vatican, of persecution leading to a Christian exodus from the Middle East.

    Mr Frattini, backed by France, said it pointless to issue statements defending religious tolerance without any references to the specific minority, Christians, that was under attack.

    I can hardly believe it; Italy and France are the bulwarks of Western Civilization in the EU, defenders of Christendom? Maybe Western Europe is actually waking up after all.

    The EU foreign minister’s response:

    The EU high representative said she would have to “reflect” further about how to “make sure we recognise individual communities of whatever religion who find themselves being harassed or worse.”
    “Harassed”? They were blown up while celebrating midnight vigil Mass before a holy day. This dhimmi would simply lay down for the sword.

  104. About Hannity calling Hillary “inept” and someone criticizing her for apparently going along with Waffles on the Sunday shows….

    Now there was another column posted here saying she had proceeded very smartly and smoothly dropping hints to Egypt for the last few days.

    I wonder if they were talking about the same statements but one columnist got the hints and Hannity didn’t (or pretended he didn’t).

  105. This is very long and I apologize, but I thought a good read. Got it from American Thinker
    ************
    February 02, 2011
    The Story of the Egyptian Revolution
    By Sam Tadros

    A friend of mine in academia forwarded this email to me from an Egyptian student whose good sense he vouches for. He tells a story very different than that most of you are seeing on television or reading in your papers.

    Unless the author gives me permission to reveal his identity, I am not at liberty to disclose it. [Update: The author Sam Tadros has given his pemrission to publish his name]

    Clarice Feldman

    ****

    My apologies for the length of this article, but I see it as extremely important to tell the whole story as it happened.

    The Story of the Egyptian Revolution

    One week ago, Egypt was a stable authoritarian regime, prospects of change were minimal and every expert in Washington would have betted on the endurance of its regime. Today, Egypt is in a state of chaos. The regime, even after using its mightiest sword is not able to control the country and the streets of Egypt are in a state of utter lawlessness. As the world stands in awe, confusion, and worry at the unfolding events, perhaps it is important to write the evolving story that is happening in Egypt before any reflections can be made on them.

    Contrary to pundits, it turns out that the Egyptian regime was neither stable nor secure. The lack of its stability is not a reflection of its weakness or lack of a resolve to oppress. It is a reflection of its inherent contradiction to the natural desire of men to enjoy their basic freedoms. Egyptians might not know what democracy actually means, but that does not make the concept any less desirable. Perhaps it is precisely its vagueness and abstraction that makes the concept all the more desirable.

    For two weeks calls were made using new social media tools for a mass demonstration on the 25th of January. Observers dismissed those calls as another virtual activism that would not result in anything. Other calls in the past had resulted in very small public support and the demonstrations were limited to the familiar faces of political activists numbering in the hundreds. As the day progressed, the observers seemed to be correct in their skepticism. While the demonstrations were certainly larger than previous ones, numbering perhaps 15,000 in Cairo, they were nothing worrisome for the regime. They were certainly much smaller than the ones in 2003 against the Iraq War. The police force was largely tolerating and when they decided to empty Tahrir Square, where the demonstrators had camped for the night, it took them less than 5 minutes to do so.

    But beneath that, things were very different. The social media tools had given people something that they had lacked previously, an independent means of communication and propaganda. Hundreds of thousands of young Egyptians in a matter of minutes were seeing the demonstration videos being uploaded on youtube. For an apolitical generation that had never shown interest in such events the demonstration was unprecedented. More remarkable they were tremendously exaggerated. At a moment when no more than 500 demonstrators had started gathering in that early morning, an Egyptian opposition leader could confidently tweet that he was leading 100,000 in Tahrir Square. And it stuck.

    It should come as no surprise to anyone that after 58 years of organized state propaganda, people would not believe for a second the government’s media machine and its coverage of the events. Why they chose to believe the alternative propaganda needs more explaining. People believed the twitter messages and the facebook postings because they wanted to believe them. Tunisia had broken the barrier for many people. It mattered not that the situation and ruling formula in Tunisia is very different than the one in Egypt. Perceptions were more important than reality. If the Tunisians could do it, then so could we. With 15,000 demonstrating in Cairo, Egyptians were already texting each other with stories of the President’s son escape. The only debate being whether Hosni Mubarak would escape to London or Saudi Arabia.

    The next day the demonstrations continued with a promise of a return on Friday the 28th after Friday Prayers in Mosques. The regime started panicking at this moment. This was simply something they did not understand. Imagine for a second Mubarak’s advisors trying to explain to the 83 year old dictator what twitter is in the first place. What was more worrying for them was that the only real force in Egyptian politics, the Muslim Brotherhood, announced its intention of joining the demonstrations. Suddenly they were faced with the prospect of hundreds of thousands of demonstrators from every Mosque in the country. They acted as every panicking authoritarian regime would act. They acted stupidly.

    The internet was cut off in Egypt. Mobile phone companies were ordered to suspend services. With tools of communication disrupted the regime was hopeful that they had things under control. Simultaneously they started standard arrests of Muslim Brotherhood leaders. Things seemed for them under control. But they weren’t. With every stupid panicking move by the regime, the narrative of its weakness was only reinforced for the people. People saw a regime that was scarred of the internet and they rightfully calculated that this was their golden opportunity.

    Friday was an unprecedented event in Egypt. While it is impossible to guess the number of protestors on the streets that day, it is safe to say that they exceeded one million. Every Mosque was a launching site for a demonstration. The Islamists were out in full force. The slogans that day were quite different than the previous ones. Islamic slogans and activists were clearly visible. The security forces were faced with wave after wave of protestors that came from every street. In 4 hours, the security forces were collapsing.

    Whether Mubarak was fully previously told about the deteriorating situation for the previous days or whether it was at this moment that he suddenly realized the gravity of the situation remains unknown. One thing is sure; the regime was not prepared for this. It is at this moment that the decision was taken to call in the army, announce a curfew, and withdraw the security forces. In reality the army did not deploy immediately. The troops and tanks that appeared in the streets were the Presidential Guard units deployed in Cairo.

    The army was actually still far away from deploying in Cairo. Because no one had imagined that the situation would totally be out of control, the level of alert of the army was never raised. Officers were not called from their vacations and the whole top command of the Egyptian army was actually thousands of miles away in Washington for strategic prearranged discussions at the Pentagon. Moreover, the plan of deployment of the army never imagined a scenario where people would defy it. No one imagined that the army would be required to put a tank in every street. They thought that the mere mention of the army being called in, the sight of a few tanks, and the announcement of the curfew, would make people immediately go home scared. People did not.

    The Egyptian army is hugely popular. This is due to the established mythology of Egyptian politics. The army, which is in all aspects the regime, is seen as separate by the people. The army is viewed as clean (not like the corrupt government), efficient (they do build bridges fast), and more importantly the heroes that defeated Israel in 1973 (it is no use to debate that point with an Egyptian). With the troops and tanks appearing in the streets, people actually thought the army was on their side, whatever that might mean. With an announced Presidential addressed that kept being delayed; Egyptians prepared themselves for an announcement of Mubarak’s resignation.

    Mubarak was at a loss. The troops could not possibly shoot people. That would not only destroy the army’s reputation, but more importantly the troops practically could not do it. These guys after all were not trained for this. They do not have rubber bullets or tear gas. They only have live ammunition and tanks and the thought of actually using them in this situation was never an option. To the surprise of the regime, people just celebrated the army’s arrival and started dancing in the streets defying the curfew. More importantly something else was happening as well. The looting was starting.

    The decision to withdraw the security forces was a natural decision. First they were utterly exhausted and needed the rest to regroup. Secondly, as the security forces had become the symbol of the regime’s oppression their withdrawal was seen as necessary to calm things. Thirdly and most importantly, in the protocol of operations there could not possibly be two forces with arms in the same street receiving orders from two different structures of command. Even with the best of coordination, a disaster is bound to happen.

    What was not calculated however is the fact that suddenly a vacuum was created. The security forces were withdrawn and the army was not deployed yet. In this gap an opportunity presented itself for everyone. The scenes were unbelievable. First there was massive anger vented at symbols of state oppression such as the ruling party’s headquarters. More drastically, in what can only be described as systematic targeting, police stations everywhere were attacked. Every police station in Cairo was looted, the weapons in them stolen and then burned. At the same time, massive looting was taking place. Even the Egyptian Museum, which hosts some of the world’s greatest heritage, was not spared.

    Saturday was indescribable. Nothing that I write can describe the utter state of lawlessness that prevailed. Every Egyptian prison was attacked by organized groups trying to free the prisoners inside. In the case of the prisons holding regular criminals this was done by their families and friends. In the case of the prisons with the political prisoners this was done by the Islamists. Bulldozers were used in those attacks and the weapons available from the looting of police stations were available. Nearly all the prisons fell. The prison forces simply could not deal with such an onslaught and no reinforcements were available. Nearly every terrorist held in the Egyptian prisons from those that bombed the Alexandria Church less than a month ago to the Murderer of Anwar El Sadat was freed, the later reportedly being arrested again tonight.

    On the streets of Cairo it was the scene of a jungle. With no law enforcement in town and the army at a loss at how to deal with it, it was the golden opportunity for everyone. In a city that is surrounded with slums, thousands of thieves fell on their neighboring richer districts. People were robbed in broad daylight, houses were invaded, and stores looted and burned. Egypt had suddenly fallen back to the State of Nature. Panicking, people started grabbing whatever weapon they could find and forming groups to protect their houses. As the day progressed the street defense committees became more organized. Every building had its men standing in front of it with everything they could find from personal guns, knives to sticks. Women started preparing Molotov bombs using alcohol bottles. Street committees started coordinating themselves. Every major crossroad had now groups of citizens stopping all passing cars checking their ID cards and searching the cars for weapons. Machine guns were in high demand and were sold in the streets.

    I do not aim to turn this into a personal story, but those people are my friends and family. It is a personal story to me. My neighbors were all stationed in my father-in-law’s house with men on the roof to lookout for possible attackers. A friend of mine was shot at by a gang of thieves and another actually killed one of them to defend his house and wife. Another friend’s brother arrested 37 thieves that day. The army’s only role in all of this was to pass by each area to pick up the arrested thieves. Army officers informed the street committees that anyone with an illegal weapon should not worry and should use it. Any death of one of the thieves would not be punished.

    On the political front the story was evolving. More troops were pouring into Cairo. Mubarak decided to appoint Omar Suliman as Vice President and Ahmed Shafik as Prime Minister. Both are military men, Suliman being the Chief of the Egyptian Intelligence Service and Shafik being the former commander of the Air Forces. To understand the moves one has to understand the nature of the ruling coalition in Egypt and the role of the army in it.

    The Egyptian regime has been based since 1952 on a coalition between the army and the bureaucrats. In this regard it fits perfectly into O’Donnell’s Bureaucratic Authoritarian model. The army is fully in control of both actual power and the economy. Ex-army officers are appointed to run state enterprises and high level administrative positions. More importantly the army has an enormous economic arm that runs enterprises as diverse as construction companies and food distribution chains. In the late 90’s this picture began to change.

    It is no news for anyone following Egyptian politics that Gamal Mubarak, the President’s son was being groomed to follow his father. In reality, the elder Mubarak was never fully behind that scenario. Whether it was a real assessment of his son’s capabilities or of the acceptance of the army to such a scenario, Mubarak was hesitant. It was his wife who was heavily pushing that scenario. Gamal, step by step started rising inside the ruling NDP party. With him he brought two groups to the ruling coalition. First were the Western educated economic technocrats trained in international financial institutions they shared what is generally described as neo-liberal economic policies labeled the Washington Consensus. Secondly was the growing business community that was emerging in Egypt. Together they started the process of both restructuring the Egyptian economy and the ruling party.

    For the technocrats it was the fiscal and economic policy that was their domain and they performed miracles. The Egyptian economy under the Nazif government showed unprecedented growth. The currency was devalued, investment was pouring in, and exports were growing. Even the economic crisis did not dramatically effect Egypt. The real disaster in all of this however is that no one actually rationalized or defended those policies to the Egyptian public. The country was moving towards a full capitalist system but no explained why that was needed or why it was ultimately beneficial. While such restructuring is naturally painful for a population that was dependent on the government for all its needs, the people were fed the same socialist rhetoric nonetheless. It mattered very little that the country was improving economically, people did not see that. It is not that the effects were not trickling down, they were. It is that the people were used to the nanny state for so many years that they could not understand why the government was no longer providing them with those services.

    Businessmen greatly benefited from the economic improvement. Business was good and political aspirations started to emerge for them. First it was a Parliament seat that they desired. It offered immunity from prosecution after all. With Gamal however, they suddenly had a higher opportunity. Gamal wanted to recreate the ruling NDP party. The NDP, never actually a real party and more of a mass valueless organization of state operation was suddenly turning into a real party. Businessmen like Ahmed Ezz, the steel tycoon saw a golden opportunity. They took full control with Gamal of the party and with it power.

    The army never liked Gamal or his friends. Gamal had never served in the military. To add insult to injury his friends were threatening the dominance of the army. The technocrat’s neo-liberal policies were threatening the army’s dominance of the closed economy and the party was becoming step by step an actual organization that competes with the army officers in filling administrative positions. Suddenly the doors to power in Egypt were not a military career but a party ID card. As long as the President was there however, the army was silent. The army is 100% loyal to the President. He is an October War hero and their Commander in Chief. He is seen as an Egyptian patriot by them who has served his country well. Moreover Gamal Abdel Nasser having conducted his own military coup in 1952 put mechanisms in the army to ensure that no one else would do the same and remove him.

    With the unfolding events the army was finally able to put its narrative to the President and have his support behind it. The army’s narrative is that Gamal and his friends ruined it. Their neo-liberal policies alienated people and angered them with talks of subsidies removal, while his party gang destroyed the political system by aiming to crush all opposition. Mubarak in the past had mastered the art of playing the opposition. The opposition was always co-opted. Sizes in Parliament differed in various elections, but there was always a place there for the opposition. The last elections in 2010 were different. No opposition was allowed to win seats. By closing the legitimate political methods of raising grievances, the opposition chose the illegitimate ones in the form of street demonstrations.

    Today the Egyptians are scared. They have been given a glimpse of hell and they don’t like what they see. Contrary to Al Jazeera’s propaganda, the Egyptian masses are not demonstrating anymore. They are protecting their homes and families. The demonstration last night had 5,000 political activists participating and not 150,000 as Al Jazeera insists. At this moment, no one outside of those political activists cares less now if the President will resign or not. They have more important concerns now; security and food.

    So where are we today? Well the answer is still not clear, yet a couple of conclusions are evident.

    1. The Gamal inheritance scenario is finished.

    2. Mubarak will not run for another Presidential term. His term ends in October and either he will serve the rest of his term or will resign once things cool down for health reasons, which are real. He is dying.

    3. The army is in control now. We are heading back to the “golden age” of army rule. The “kids” are no longer in charge. The “men’ are.

    4. Until the economy fails again, the neo-liberal economic policies are over. Forget about an open economy for some time.

    Immediately the task of the army is to stabilize the situation and enforce order. The security forces have been ordered to reappear in the streets starting tonight. The next task will be to deal with the political activists and the Muslim Brotherhood which now dominates the scene. It is anyone’s guess how that will be done, but in a couple of days the Egyptians will probably be begging the army to shoot them. Third stage will be to return to normal life again with people going back to their jobs and somehow food being made available. Later on however will come the political questions.

    The long term challenges are numerous. First you have a huge economic loss in terms of property destroyed. The minute the banks will be reopened, there will be a run on them and capital flight will be the key word in town. It is of course quite natural that for some time no one in his sensible mind will invest in Egypt.

    Politically, the army will aim at returning to the pre-Gamal ruling formula. People will be appeased by raising salaries and increasing subsidies with the hope of silencing them. Will it be enough? That is doubtful. The Egyptians have realized for the first time that the regime is not as strong as it looked a week ago. If the army did not stop them, how will they ever be silenced? Moreover they are greatly empowered. Egyptians today feel pride in themselves. They have protected their neighborhoods and done what the army has failed to do. This empowerment will not be crushed easily.

    Security wise the situation is a disaster. It might take months to arrest all those criminals again. Moreover no one has a clue how the weapons that were stolen will ever be collected again or how the security will ever regain its necessary respect to restore public order after it was defeated in 4 hours. More importantly, reports indicate that the borders in Gaza were open for the past few days. What exactly was transferred between Gaza and Egypt is anyone’s guess.

    You seem to wonder after all of this where El Baradei and the Egyptian opposition are. CNN’s anointed leader of the Egyptian Revolution must be important to the future of Egypt. Hardly! Outside of Western media hype, El Baradei is nothing. A man that has spent less than 30 days in the past year in Egypt and hardly any time in the past 20 years is a nobody. It is entirely insulting to Egyptians to suggest otherwise. The opposition you wonder? Outside of the Muslim Brotherhood we are discussing groups that can each claim less than 5,000 actual members. With no organization, no ideas, and no leaders they are entirely irrelevant to the discussion. It is the apolitical young generation that has suddenly been transformed that is the real question here.

    Where Egypt will go from here is an enigma. In a sense everything will be the same. The army that has ruled Egypt since 1952 will continue to rule it and the country will still suffer from a huge vacuum of ideas and real political alternatives. On the other hand, it will never be the same again. Once empowered, the Egyptians will not accept the status quo for long.

    On the long run the Egyptian question remains the same. Nothing has changed in that regard. It is quite remarkable for people to be talking about the prospect for a democratic transition at this moment. A population that was convinced just two months ago that sharks in the Red Sea were implanted by the Israeli Intelligence Services is hardly at a stage of creating a liberal democracy in Egypt. But the status quo cannot be maintained. A lack of any meaningful political discourse in the country has to be addressed. Until someone actually starts addressing the real issues and stop the chatterbox of clichés on democracy, things will not get better at all. It will only get worse.

  106. I made it home thru the frozen tundra…LOL! I didn’t see a single piece of ice….just coooolllldd!

    I am going to have to buy some mittens if this keeps up, LOL! I would not survive one winter in New England…Mrs. Smith would be out there giving me CPR on her driveway…LOL!

  107. lorac
    I just posted all that I caught – I wasn’t paying attention to the bum!
    ——–
    Oh sorry, I don’t blame you for not paying attention to him, I find myself fast forwarding more often as the days go by.

    ++++++++++

    Poor confloyd might have to buy mittens. 😉

    Some of us have it so well, we could never keep up with the real winters.
    Glad you made it home safely with your dog sled. Hehe

    ——
    Good Night Pinkers

  108. Too funny
    ***

    TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 01, 2011

    ObamaCare Repeal: Harry Reid Confronted in Gourmet Market
    by G.M. Heller
    Published: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 05:00 P.M. EST.

    McLean, VA — U.S. Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) may never go grocery shopping for his wife again.
    While shopping this past Saturday afternoon amongst the food aisles at his local gourmet grocer in McLean, Virginia, Sen. Reid came across a fellow shopper who recognized him and asked a question that the senior senator from Nevada plainly did not want to answer.
    The private citizen acknowledged upfront to the U.S. Senate’s most powerful Democrat that he was a Republican and wanted to know from Mr. Reid himself why the Majority Leader was refusing to allow the just-passed House bill to repeal ObamaCare to come to the floor of the U.S. Senate for a vote.
    Mr. Reid, walking beside the store’s imported bottled condiments, responded to his questioner that he was focused on his shopping right now and did not wish to discuss the matter.
    Mr. Reid’s Republican antagonist was not to be put off and persisted in his questioning.
    Leader Reid, who by now was perusing the store’s extensive cheese selection, refused to say anything further.
    Unfazed by the stony silence emanating from the Majority Leader — and apparently not at all bothered by the unamused look on the face of the plainclothes Capitol Police officer shadowing the Majority Leader — the persistent questioner was not yet ready to withdraw.
    In a store crowded this busy Saturday afternoon with shoppers from tony McLean and surrounding Fairfax County, where the federal government-fueled economy makes per capita income and spending here amongst the highest in the nation, people know this gourmet grocery for its line of Prime, Natural, and Kobe-style beef, excellent wine list, fine cheeses and other high-end delicacies.
    Amongst all this recession chic, Mr. Reid’s Republican interrogator decided now was the time to go public.
    In a voice that could be heard on the other side of this medium-sized food emporium, the shopper with ObamaCare Repeal on his mind — no shrinking violet he — loudly declared to his fellow gourmands (many in lines waiting to check-out) that indeed the graying personage standing right there amongst them was none other than “U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid,” and, pointing directly at Mr. Reid, said, “This man is personally holding-up the ObamaCare Repeal bill by refusing to allow it to be brought to the floor of the U.S. Senate for a vote,” and which law if left on the books “can eventually bankrupt the United States of America.”
    From the check-out area came applause, apparently at the spectacle.
    The stony — now red — faced Sen. Reid, appearing both annoyed and mortified at being the focus of this unexpected public scolding in the midst of what was to be a quiet moment spent Saturday shopping, tried not to be noticed — hard to do when one is waiting in a check-out line with someone just a few feet away loudly gesticulating and pointing.
    Exiting the establishment as soon as practical, Sen. Reid, with more of his security detail now in evidence, hopped aboard one of two waiting black SUV’s.
    The mini-convoy pulled away from the curb and out of the parking lot, out of reach, for now, of interaction with pesky opinionated partisans. ###

  109. h4t,

    Granted that this was an account the Americna Thinker published, still it might throw some light on the poll that said a majority opposed the ‘liberal’ or ‘modernizing’ faction.

    The currency was devalued, investment was pouring in, and exports were growing. Even the economic crisis did not dramatically effect Egypt. The real disaster in all of this however is that no one actually rationalized or defended those policies to the Egyptian public. The country was moving towards a full capitalist system but no explained why that was needed or why it was ultimately beneficial. While such restructuring is naturally painful for a population that was dependent on the government for all its needs, the people were fed the same socialist rhetoric nonetheless. It mattered very little that the country was improving economically, people did not see that. It is not that the effects were not trickling down, they were. It is that the people were used to the nanny state for so many years that they could not understand why the government was no longer providing them with those services.
    (From gonzo’s post above)

  110. Just woke up, couldnt get to sleep last night but then Bambi came on spouting rubbish and guess what I was asleep within minutes.

  111. Pro- and anti-government supporters are clashing in Cairo, Egypt – AP

    I tend to think these “Mubarak” supporters are the same ones he had looting a few nights ago.

  112. Now we have Mubarak “supporters” saying Mubarak is not going , he is not gonna step down ever.

    I told you, it was all play theatre last night, He has no intention of EVER going.

  113. Mubaraks lot deliberately starting fights on the protestors now, straight out of the dictators handbook.

  114. This is a setup by Mubarak, he wants to enforce military control. Its deliberate provokation enact emergency power.

  115. Pro-democracy folks have heard protesters are being attacked and are rushing to the square by the thousands to help.

  116. This is hell on earth. People on horseback trying to beat the protestors just got the shit kicked out of them when they tried to charge the protestors, massive clashes.

  117. Anderson Cooper and his team have been set upon and beaten up. This is degenerating. No doubt they want the media taken out so they cant report.

  118. This text goes along with moon’s account:
    ____________________________

    Mubarak Fights Back: Supporters Break Opposition’s Human Chain and Invade Tahrir Square, Tanks Not Far Behind

    Vowing to “die on Egyptian soil”, an embattled Hosni Mubarak digs-in…as his supporters go on the offensive

    Having pledged not to run for re-election this fall, Hosni Mubarak is drawing a line… and although Iranian shill Mohamed ElBaradei says that won’t cut it, the Egyptian president seems intent to retire on his terms-

    Army tanks seen moving as protesters confront one another; Egyptian military calls for end of protests: “Your message has arrived, your demands known.”

    Pro-Mubarak demonstrators were tearing down anti-Mubarak banners that have decorated Cairo’s Tahrir Square for three days Wednesday afternoon. Tanks on the periphery of Tahrir Square were starting to move in anticipation of unruly crowds.

    Protests in Tahrir Square have been mostly peaceful since Sunday, but the crowds have also been entirely anti-Mubarak. Thousands of the Egyptian president’s supporters were streaming into the square now waving flags and giants posters of the 30-year ruler of Egypt.

    Earlier, anti-government demonstrators were seen forming a human chain in an attempt to keep Mubarak supporters from reaching Tahrir Square early Wednesday afternoon…

    So not much, but it’s a start- today’s events should be telling. Last night -without showing any cracks in his resolve- Hosni Mubarak did what he could to make protesters think he understands how they might be concerned that their country lags behind Albania when it comes to democratic freedoms, but he’s now attempting to clear the streets and restore order after pledging to step aside and not run for President again in 10 months from now.

    The government message now is “go home and wait ’till November… there’s not going to be any revolution here.”…

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2011/02/mubarak-fights-back-supporters-break.html

  119. Anderson Cooper and his team have been set upon and beaten up. This is degenerating. No doubt they want the media taken out so they cant report
    ———————————
    Some people will regard this as a tragedy of epic proportions–that the great Anderson Cooper and his crack team of objective reporters would encounter problems, or be assaulted when they walk into a buzz saw. After all, they are only seeking the truth, and would never twist the truth to their own partisan ends. Not teabagging Anderson. Others may not see it quite that way. They might say something tacky like, ummmmmmm, tell Mrs. Vanderbilt’s precious baby boy don’t go in the lion’s cage tonight because he has not eaten in 10 days and you may find that being a high profile American you might be his next meal.

  120. NewMexicoFan
    February 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Wow, great photos-

    My fave is the one in the brn Tweed suit trimmed in blk in 09′

    There’s no denying she looks younger and thinner with shorter cropped hair. The Thatcher look isn’t as youthful w/clean lines emphasizing the clarity of her beautiful blue eyes. But change is welcome.

  121. Oh God

    From the BBC: # 1405: Gulf News reporter Abbas Al Lawati tweets: “Just saw a foreign journalist being chased by a mob with weapons. He was alone. They got him. God help him.”

  122. As Egypt drifts towards an Islamic Middle East- Iran lends a hand to hasten the journey.
    __________________

    Egypt revolt is ‘step towards Islamic Middle East’

    Feb 1 2011

    Egyptians hold up their national flag as they gather in Cairo’s Tahrir Squa…

    Iran said on Tuesday the uprising in Egypt will help create an Islamic Middle East but accused US officials of interfering in the “freedom seeking” movement which has rocked the Arab nation.

    “With the knowledge that I have of the great revolutionary and history making people of Egypt, I am sure they will play their role in creating an Islamic Middle East for all freedom, justice and independence seekers,” Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi was quoted as saying on state television’s website.

    Salehi, who was officially endorsed by the Iranian parliament on Sunday as foreign minister, said the uprising in Egypt “showed the need for a change in the region and the end of unpopular regimes.”

    “The people of Tunisia and Egypt prove that the time of controlling regimes by world arrogance (the West) has ended and people are trying to have their own self-determination,” said Salehi, who also currently oversees Iran’s controversial nuclear programme.

    “Unfortunately we are witnessing the direct interference …. of some American officials in the developments in Egypt,” he said, and added the Egyptians were showing “they are no longer ready to stand idle in face of crimes by the Zionist regime.”

    In the initial days of the Tunisian uprising, Iran had said it was “worried” about the events in that country.

    “We are worried about the situation in Tunisia…We hope the Muslim Tunisian nation’s demands are fulfilled through peaceful and non-violent means,” the foreign ministry had said on January 16.

    On Tuesday, Salehi said Iran will offer its support to the protesters in Egypt.

    “On our part we are going along with the freedom seekers of the world and support the uprising of the great nation of Egypt. We sympathise with those injured and killed” in the protests, he said.

    Egypt has been rocked by deadly protests for more than a week and on Tuesday Egyptians planned more mass marches in their campaign to oust the embattled President Hosni Mubarak.

    The USA, a key ally of Cairo, has urged Mubarak to do more to defuse the crisis, with President Barack Obama calling for “an orderly transition to a government that is responsive to the aspirations of the Egyptian people.”

    Iran itself was rocked by similar protests against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after he was re-elected in June 2009.

    Dozens of Iranian protesters who took to Tehran streets were killed in clashes with security forces and militiamen who cracked down on them in a bid to quell what was one of the worst crises in the Islamic republic since the 1979 revolution which toppled the US-backed shah.

  123. *Army tanks seen moving as protesters confront one another; Egyptian military calls for end of protests: “Your message has arrived, your demands known.”*

    I wonder if this means that the army has decided to let Mubarak stay. Maybe Mubarak has cut a deal with them that they like.

  124. Egypt rejects calls from international community for an immediate transition of power – AFP

    That means Mubarak means to crack heads. Mubarak now sticking his middle finger up at Obama.

  125. We are finally being heard… enough with the sexist demeaning adjectives and metaphors with movement. The all boyz clubs have to grow up sometime- and that time has finally come!

    Megyn Kelly calls thin skinned Matthews to heel:
    __________________________

    Liberal women’s advocate: MSNBC’s Chris Matthews a sexist bully

    While speaking with Fox News host Megyn Kelly, Jehmu Green, former president of the Women’s Media Center called Chris Matthews “a bully” who’s “favorite target is women.”

    For some time, Chris Matthews, the host of MSNBC’s Hardball, has targeted Minnesota Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann with taunts and insults, calling her a “balloon head” and comparing her to a hypnotized zombie.

    While interviewing her on her re-election victory in November, Matthews attempted to play “gotcha” with Bachmann:

    Rep. Michele Bachmann went on MSNBC for an interview with Chris Matthews tonight and handled him with dismissive tone the hack deserved. All he wanted to do was bait her with unprofessional journolisty questions about whether or not the new Congressional majority would investigate Democrats for “un-American activities.”

    When Kelly asked if Matthews’ attacks were sexist or just impolite, Green said Matthews “crosses the line” with attacks that “go over the top.”

    Noel Sheppard of Newsbusters notes that Green is no conservative icon, having served as “an advisor to the Hillary Clinton for President campaign as well as serving in various functions for the Democratic National Committee.”

    The Media Women’s Center was founded by Jane Fonda, Robin Morgan and Gloria Steinem – hardly Tea Party activists – in 2005.

    Sheppard writes that Green should be someone Matthews would listen to, but Matthews continued his jihad against Bachmann some time later by suggesting the Congresswoman probably could not pass a literacy test:

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: When we return — when I return — “Let Me Finish” with a history lesson for Michele Bachmann.You’re watching HARDBALL — she could use one here, she ought to be lucky we still don’t have literacy tests out there. You’re watching HARDBALL, only on MSNBC.

    But Matthews seems to have forgotten – conveniently – some of his own history, as Sheppard notes:

    Sadder still was how Matthews once again chose to ignore how our Founding Fathers from the Northern colonies – in particular John Adams and Benjamin Franklin – put a no slavery clause in the original Declaration of Independence that was struck down by Southern representatives to the First Continental Congress.

    If they hadn’t acceded to the South’s demands, the Declaration would never have happened.

    So much for analysis based on fact.

    Has Chris Matthews become the new face of hate for MSNBC? Does he feel he needs to step it up now that Keith Olbermann is gone? What’s next? Nazi salutes on the set of Hardball?

    The transcript of the exchange between Megyn Kelly and Jehmu Green follows:

    MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Well, so much for toning down the rhetoric. Tea Party favorite Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann targeted and insulted again. Some are calling it now sexist name-calling. Take a listen to some yourself.

    (Video clip of MSNBC’s Chris Matthews calling Bachmann a balloon head)

    KELLY: Well, Jehmu Green is the former president of the Women’s Media Center, a former advisor to Hillary Clinton, and a Fox News contributor. Jehmu, thanks so much for being here.

    JEHMU GREENE, FORMER PRESIDENT WOMEN’S MEDIA CENTER: Thanks for having me, Megyn.

    KELLY: So, Chris Matthews has come under attack by a lot of folks on the Left for that comment and other comments he has made about Michele Bachmann, and the accusations are that his treatment of her is sexist, and so is the treatment of her we’ve seen by others in the media. And your thoughts on that?

    GREENE: Well, one, it’s not a surprise that this type of treatment is coming from Chris Matthews. I think if we were in high school, we would call it like it is — he’s a bully and his favorite target is women. It doesn’t matter if Congresswoman Bachmann got all of the facts wrong. It doesn’t matter if she looks off into the wrong camera. She, Sarah Palin, just like Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama, should not come under the types of attacks that we see coming particularly from Chris Matthews and, you know, we even saw it with Keith Olbermann when he talked in the 2008 election about someone taking then Senator Clinton out back to handle her. Yeah, this type of language is, is so detrimental, not just to political discourse, but the fact that women are 50 percent less likely to run for office. That’s the impact it has. Women don’t want to put themselves out there to come under these types of attacks and it doesn’t matter if it’s coming from the Left or the Right, it’s unacceptable.

    KELLY: But is it a sexist attack or is it just, you know, an impolite attack? Because, you know, I’ve heard him and the other one, and they make attacks on men and women. It seems to be more on political partisan stripe than on gender.

    GREENE: Actually, you know what? There are times that I have to walk away from my Twitter feed when it comes to Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin. My peers, my colleagues, who I agree with on the issues, but the type of like really vitriolic attacks that we see addressed at women and, you know, even coming from many women on the Left. We see this because I guess there’s an expectation that they would live up to a certain set of standards on issues. And, I think their attacks that these women are facing go over the top, especially with Chris Matthews. We saw when MSNBC decided that he needed to be demoted from the anchor chair for election coverage and that he was strictly going to be a political commentator. It’s because he crosses the line.

    Apparently, In Matthews’ world, civility is only for those that agree with him.

    Honest, civil debate is one thing. But Matthews has shown time and again he is incapable of civil discourse.

    Conservatives should refuse to appear on Hardball until Chris Matthews publicly apologizes to Michelle Bachmann and every other conservative he has insulted and demeaned.

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/liberal-women-s-advocate-msnbc-s-chris-matthews-a-sexist-bully

  126. While there are many factors in play in Egypt, anyone who wishes to understand the origins of this cycle of violent insurrection and violent repression needs to understand i) the role of the Obama Regime in orchestrating this thing–staring with their participation in the Columbia Law School symposium as panelist in 2008 which was devoted to organizing an internet based program to depose the leader of Egypt, plus Obama’s meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood, which the Arab press reported but Obama’s press secretary denies, and the undertone of his Cairo Speech, ii) the template being applied here which if it not the Soros colors revolution model, i.e. mass protests, simple chants, confrontation with authority, charismatic leader, sympathetic foreign press, pushing forward pro democracy forces while hiding the true objectives of the revolt, then it bears an uncanny resemblance, and iii) the role of the media in orchestrating this revolt, and in presenting an array of images which are reasonably calculated to sway world public opinion their way, along with partisan dialogue, and confusing the issue between democracy–which Plato called the worst form of government, and liberal democracy with a separation of powers and a constitution. On the latter point, Reverend Amy’s comments at No Quarter in an article on sexism in our culture are pertinent and uniquely instructive:

    “Meanwhile, we have Egypt erupting in protests, demanding that they be out from under the thumb of their dictator, our ally, President Mubarak, claiming they want democracy. Yet, they also want Islam in their laws. No need to read between the lines there, that means they want Sharia Law in their political system. So, I guess it is only democracy for men they want, and women,, who enjoy a fair amount of freedom in Egypt, will lose what freedoms they have now. One can expect if the protesters get their way, violence against women will become law.

    Speaking of Egypt, Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, is calling for President Mubarak to step down, and allow Egypt to pursue democracy. I could not stop myself from yelling at him on the television. This senator comes from a state, and a party, that did more than its share in squelching not only democracy in 2008 by silencing a large number of its citizens in Florida by withholding their votes for Hillary Clinton, but also stood in the way of the people’s choice for the Democratic presidential candidate by reducing the power of their votes until they manipulated who the candidate was going to be.

    How dare Senator Nelson preach democracy to someone else when he, and his party, stood squarely in the way of democracy in his own STATE? “Hypocrite” does not even begin to describe it. His actions (or lack thereof) then kept the most qualified woman, and our best chance to elect a woman president, off the ballot. And his call for democracy in Egypt rings hollow coming from the representative of a state that did so much to squash the voices of its own people.”

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2011/02/01/what-our-teenagers-are-seeing/#more-56049

  127. Crickets from Obama right now, British PM already calling for calm and “despicable” behaviour from the Govt.

  128. On the sole question of the complicity of the Obama Regime in this Hobson’s choice debacle in Egypt, the guy I would love to interview about this matter–under oath and a lie detector of course–would be the Ambassador to Egypt–a Republican who was appointed by Obama who has just tendered his resignation, lest he find himself at the center of this thing, and presumably forced to lie for the Obama Regime. His resignation at this critical moment is telling and in Arab parlayence “the dog that did not bark”.

  129. Holy Smokes! Last night, I guess I came pretty close to expressing exactly the alliances between the Soros Cartel, the Neocons and the Muslim Brotherhood and the benefits to their symbiotic relationships. The article below elucidates in long form how these alliances came about beginning at point 7.

    (I can’t believe this article was written just today reconfirming my
    outline from last night. The only omission is that of the interplay with George Soros and the elites.)
    ______________________________

    Wednesday, February 2, 2011

    The Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian Crisis

    Jerusalem Issue Briefs

    Vol. 10, No. 26 2 February 2011
    The Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian Crisis

    Dore Gold

    http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=442&PID=0&IID=5953

    * Will the Obama administration’s policy toward Egypt be based on a
    perception that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood would be extremely dangerous? Or have they taken the position – voiced in parts of the U.S. foreign policy establishment – that the Brotherhood has become moderate and can be talked to? Initial administration reactions indicate that it does not rule out Muslim Brotherhood participation in a future Egyptian coalition government.

    * Since January 28, the Muslim Brotherhood’s involvement has become more prominent, with its support of Mohamed ElBaradei to lead the opposition forces against the government. In the streets of Cairo, Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators disdainfully call people like ElBaradei “donkeys of the revolution” (hamir al-thawra) – to be used and then pushed away – a scenario that sees the Muslim Brotherhood exploit ElBaradei in order to hijack the Egyptian revolution at a later stage.

    * There has been a great deal of confusion about the Muslim
    Brotherhood. In the years after it was founded in 1928, it developed a “secret apparatus” that engaged in political terrorism against Egyptian Copts as well as government officials. In December 1948, the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud al-Nuqrashi Pasha. It also sought to kill Egyptian leader Abdul Nasser in October 1954.

    * Former Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammad Akef declared in 2004 his “complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America.” In 2001, the Muslim Brotherhood’s publication in London, Risalat al-Ikhwan, featured at the top of its cover page the slogan: “Our Mission: World Domination.” This header was changed after 9/11.

    * The current Supreme Guide, Muhammad Badi’, gave a sermon in September 2010 stating that “the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life.”

    Initially, it was widely observed that the Muslim Brotherhood has been very low-key during the current crisis in Egypt. Most analysts admitted that it is the best organized and largest opposition group in Egypt, but they played down its role. Yet since January 28, the Muslim Brotherhood’s involvement has become more prominent. One tangible example is the support the Brotherhood has given to Mohamed ElBaradei to lead the opposition forces against the government.

    In the streets of Cairo, Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators disdainfully call people like ElBaradei “donkeys of the revolution” (hamir al-thawra), to be used and then pushed away.1 Thus, there is a scenario that sees the Muslim Brotherhood exploit a figure like ElBaradei in order to hijack the Egyptian revolution at a later stage.

    What is the Muslim Brotherhood? It is known as Ikhwan al-Muslimun in Arabic, or just Ikhwan, established in 1928 by an Egyptian schoolteacher, Hassan al-Banna. Outwardly, it was a social and religious organization, but over the years it developed a “secret apparatus” that engaged in military training of its cadres and political terrorism against Egyptian Copts as well as government officials. This dualism continued years later. In December 1948, the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Egyptian Prime Minister
    Mahmoud al-Nuqrashi Pasha. It also sought to kill Egyptian leader Abdul Nasser in October 1954.

    The Muslim Brotherhood also had an expansionist agenda right from the start, and called for the re-establishment of the Islamic Empire. In the late 1930s, its newspaper called for retaking “former Islamic colonies” in Andalus (Spain), southern Italy, and the Balkans.2 This theme was maintained in recent years by its former Supreme Guide, Muhammad Akef, who in 2004 declared his “complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America,” with the caveat that Westerners will join Islam by conviction.3 Others have
    also made this point. According to Sheikh Yousef Qaradawi, widely regarded as the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood:

    Constantinople was conquered in 1453 by a 23-year-old Ottoman named
    Muhammad ibn Murad, whom we call Muhammad the Conqueror. Now what remains is to conquer Rome. That is what we wish for, and that is what we believe in.

    After having been expelled twice, Islam will be victorious and reconquer Europe….I am certain that this time, victory will be won not by the sword but by preaching.4Over the years, the Muslim Brotherhood opened branches in a number of Arab countries and even has front organizations in the UK, France, and the U.S.
    But it has not disavowed its original commitment to Islamic militancy and its global ambitions. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood’s publication in London, Risalat al-Ikhwan, has maintained a clearly jihadist orientation; in 2001 it featured at the top of its cover page the slogan:
    “Our Mission: World Domination” (siyadat al-dunya). This header was changed after 9/11, but the publication still carries the Muslim Brotherhood’s motto which includes: “Jihad is our path; martyrdom is our aspiration.”

    5The current Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Muhammad Badi’, gave a sermon in September 2010 stating that Muslims today “need to understand that the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life.”6 In short, the Muslim Brotherhood remains committed to supporting militant activities
    in order to advance its political aims. From looking at the biographies of its most prominent graduates, one can immediately understand the organization’s long-term commitment to jihadism:

    1. Abdullah Azzam (of the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood) and Muhammad
    Qutb (of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood) taught at King Abdul Aziz
    University in Jidda, Saudi Arabia, where they had a student named Osama bin Laden. Azzam went off to Pakistan with his student, bin Laden, to help the mujahidin fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    2. Ayman al-Zawahiri (bin Laden’s deputy) grew up in the Egyptian
    Muslim Brotherhood.

    3. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad (the al-Qaeda mastermind of the 9/11
    attacks) came out of the Kuwaiti Muslim Brotherhood.

    Given this background, the Muslim Brotherhood has been widely regarded in the Arab world as the incubator of the jihadist ideology. A former Kuwaiti Minister of Education, Dr. Ahmad Al-Rab’i, argued in Al-Sharq al-Awsat on July 25, 2005, that the founders of most modern terrorist groups in the Middle East emerged from “the mantle” of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Many columnists in the Middle East have warned in recent years about the Brotherhood’s hostile intentions. Tariq Hasan, a columnist for the Egyptian government daily Al-Ahram, alerted his readers on June 23, 2007, that the Muslim Brotherhood was preparing a violent takeover in Egypt, using its “masked militias” in order to replicate the Hamas seizure of power in the Gaza Strip. And columnist Hussein Shobokshi, writing in the Saudi-owned Al-Sharq al-Awsat on October 23, 2007, said that “to this day” the Muslim Brotherhood “has brought nothing but fanaticism, divisions, and extremism, and in some cases bloodshed and killings.” Thus, both Arab regimes and
    leading opinion-makers in Arab states still have serious reservations about the claim of a new moderation in the Muslim Brotherhood.

    7 Ironically, in the last five years, prominent voices in the West have considered opening a political dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood. For example, Dr. Robert S. Leiken and Steven Brooke published an article in the March-April 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs called “The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood” in which they advised the Bush administration to enter into a strategic alliance with the organization, which they referred to as “moderate,” calling it a “notable opportunity” to use the Brotherhood to promote American interests. James Traub echoed many of their arguments in the New York Times Magazine on April 29, 2007, in which he claimed that “the Muslim Brotherhood, for all its rhetorical support of Hamas, could well be precisely the kind of moderate Islamic body that the administration says it seeks.” In addition, a committee in the British House of Commons also advocated the UK opening a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, as well.

    At the same time, some U.S. officials and dignitaries seemed to have softened their approach to the Muslim Brotherhood. In 2005, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pressed President Mubarak to open up participation in the Egyptian parliamentary elections, resulting in a major increase of elected Muslim Brotherhood members from 15 to 88. Subsequently, Mubarak became more reluctant to take U.S. advice.

    Visiting U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer met twice in 2007 with the head of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s parliamentary bloc, Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, according to Brotherhood spokesman Hamdi Hassan.

    The critical question is whether the Obama administration’s policy toward Egypt will be based on a perception that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood would be extremely dangerous. Or have they taken the position – voiced in
    parts of the U.S. foreign policy establishment – that the Muslim Brotherhood has become moderate and can be talked to? The initial reactions of the Obama administration indicate that it does not rule out Muslim Brotherhood participation in a future Egyptian coalition government.8 Unfortunately, there is a dangerous misconception about the Muslim Brotherhood in parts of the foreign policy community in the West that could affect calculations in Washington and London in the weeks ahead.

    http://imra.org.il/story.php3?id=50917

  130. Crickets from Obama right now, British PM already calling for calm and “despicable” behaviour from the Govt.
    ——————————
    It is a difficult decision for him. On the one hand he is the victim of his own missteps–and too many people in high places know about them. On the other hand, anything he says at this point can have megapolitical consequences. This is even harder for him than deciding whether to give the fire order against the Somalian pirates. I am quite sure he is waiting for guidance–and instructions from the Council on Foreign Relations, who are in the thick of this by now. And I cannot imagine that Israel is partiularly happy with him at the moment, since once again he has shit in their mess kit. Unfortunately I doubt that this has dawned on many Jews in this country, who tend to temporize and exaggerate the impact of American power in its waning stages, rather than see the disaster that lies ahead. Liberal democracy can take root in a country only when the right conditions are in place. Muslim democracy run by the MB is not what the world needs.

  131. Holy Smokes! Last night, I guess I came pretty close to expressing exactly the alliances between the Soros Cartel, the Neocons and the Muslim Brotherhood and the benefits to their symbiotic relationships. The article below elucidates in long form how these alliances came about beginning at point 7.

    (I can’t believe this article was written just today reconfirming my
    outline from last night. The only omission is that of the interplay with George Soros and the elites.)
    ______________________________

    Wednesday, February 2, 2011

    The Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian Crisis

    Jerusalem Issue Briefs

    Vol. 10, No. 26 2 February 2011
    The Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian Crisis

    Dore Gold

    * Will the Obama administration’s policy toward Egypt be based on a
    perception that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood would be extremely dangerous? Or have they taken the position – voiced in parts of the U.S. foreign policy establishment – that the Brotherhood has become moderate and can be talked to? Initial administration reactions indicate that it does not rule out Muslim Brotherhood participation in a future Egyptian coalition government.

    * Since January 28, the Muslim Brotherhood’s involvement has become more prominent, with its support of Mohamed ElBaradei to lead the opposition forces against the government. In the streets of Cairo, Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators disdainfully call people like ElBaradei “donkeys of the revolution” (hamir al-thawra) – to be used and then pushed away – a scenario that sees the Muslim Brotherhood exploit ElBaradei in order to hijack the Egyptian revolution at a later stage.

    * There has been a great deal of confusion about the Muslim
    Brotherhood. In the years after it was founded in 1928, it developed a “secret apparatus” that engaged in political terrorism against Egyptian Copts as well as government officials. In December 1948, the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud al-Nuqrashi Pasha. It also sought to kill Egyptian leader Abdul Nasser in October 1954.

    * Former Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammad Akef declared in 2004 his “complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America.” In 2001, the Muslim Brotherhood’s publication in London, Risalat al-Ikhwan, featured at the top of its cover page the slogan: “Our Mission: World Domination.” This header was changed after 9/11.

    * The current Supreme Guide, Muhammad Badi’, gave a sermon in September 2010 stating that “the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life.”

    Initially, it was widely observed that the Muslim Brotherhood has been very low-key during the current crisis in Egypt. Most analysts admitted that it is the best organized and largest opposition group in Egypt, but they played down its role. Yet since January 28, the Muslim Brotherhood’s involvement has become more prominent. One tangible example is the support the Brotherhood has given to Mohamed ElBaradei to lead the opposition forces against the government.

    In the streets of Cairo, Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators disdainfully call people like ElBaradei “donkeys of the revolution” (hamir al-thawra), to be used and then pushed away.1 Thus, there is a scenario that sees the Muslim Brotherhood exploit a figure like ElBaradei in order to hijack the Egyptian revolution at a later stage.

    What is the Muslim Brotherhood? It is known as Ikhwan al-Muslimun in Arabic, or just Ikhwan, established in 1928 by an Egyptian schoolteacher, Hassan al-Banna. Outwardly, it was a social and religious organization, but over the years it developed a “secret apparatus” that engaged in military training of its cadres and political terrorism against Egyptian Copts as well as government officials. This dualism continued years later. In December 1948, the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Egyptian Prime Minister
    Mahmoud al-Nuqrashi Pasha. It also sought to kill Egyptian leader Abdul Nasser in October 1954.

    The Muslim Brotherhood also had an expansionist agenda right from the start, and called for the re-establishment of the Islamic Empire. In the late 1930s, its newspaper called for retaking “former Islamic colonies” in Andalus (Spain), southern Italy, and the Balkans.2 This theme was maintained in recent years by its former Supreme Guide, Muhammad Akef, who in 2004 declared his “complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America,” with the caveat that Westerners will join Islam by conviction.3 Others have
    also made this point. According to Sheikh Yousef Qaradawi, widely regarded as the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood:

    Constantinople was conquered in 1453 by a 23-year-old Ottoman named
    Muhammad ibn Murad, whom we call Muhammad the Conqueror. Now what remains is to conquer Rome. That is what we wish for, and that is what we believe in.

    After having been expelled twice, Islam will be victorious and reconquer Europe….I am certain that this time, victory will be won not by the sword but by preaching.4Over the years, the Muslim Brotherhood opened branches in a number of Arab countries and even has front organizations in the UK, France, and the U.S.
    But it has not disavowed its original commitment to Islamic militancy and its global ambitions. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood’s publication in London, Risalat al-Ikhwan, has maintained a clearly jihadist orientation; in 2001 it featured at the top of its cover page the slogan:
    “Our Mission: World Domination” (siyadat al-dunya). This header was changed after 9/11, but the publication still carries the Muslim Brotherhood’s motto which includes: “Jihad is our path; martyrdom is our aspiration.”

    5The current Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Muhammad Badi’, gave a sermon in September 2010 stating that Muslims today “need to understand that the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life.”6 In short, the Muslim Brotherhood remains committed to supporting militant activities
    in order to advance its political aims. From looking at the biographies of its most prominent graduates, one can immediately understand the organization’s long-term commitment to jihadism:

    1. Abdullah Azzam (of the Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood) and Muhammad
    Qutb (of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood) taught at King Abdul Aziz
    University in Jidda, Saudi Arabia, where they had a student named Osama bin Laden. Azzam went off to Pakistan with his student, bin Laden, to help the mujahidin fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    2. Ayman al-Zawahiri (bin Laden’s deputy) grew up in the Egyptian
    Muslim Brotherhood.

    3. Khalid Sheikh Muhammad (the al-Qaeda mastermind of the 9/11
    attacks) came out of the Kuwaiti Muslim Brotherhood.

    Given this background, the Muslim Brotherhood has been widely regarded in the Arab world as the incubator of the jihadist ideology. A former Kuwaiti Minister of Education, Dr. Ahmad Al-Rab’i, argued in Al-Sharq al-Awsat on July 25, 2005, that the founders of most modern terrorist groups in the Middle East emerged from “the mantle” of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Many columnists in the Middle East have warned in recent years about the Brotherhood’s hostile intentions. Tariq Hasan, a columnist for the Egyptian government daily Al-Ahram, alerted his readers on June 23, 2007, that the Muslim Brotherhood was preparing a violent takeover in Egypt, using its “masked militias” in order to replicate the Hamas seizure of power in the Gaza Strip. And columnist Hussein Shobokshi, writing in the Saudi-owned Al-Sharq al-Awsat on October 23, 2007, said that “to this day” the Muslim Brotherhood “has brought nothing but fanaticism, divisions, and extremism, and in some cases bloodshed and killings.” Thus, both Arab regimes and
    leading opinion-makers in Arab states still have serious reservations about the claim of a new moderation in the Muslim Brotherhood.

    7 Ironically, in the last five years, prominent voices in the West have considered opening a political dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood. For example, Dr. Robert S. Leiken and Steven Brooke published an article in the March-April 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs called “The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood” in which they advised the Bush administration to enter into a strategic alliance with the organization, which they referred to as “moderate,” calling it a “notable opportunity” to use the Brotherhood to promote American interests. James Traub echoed many of their arguments in the New York Times Magazine on April 29, 2007, in which he claimed that “the Muslim Brotherhood, for all its rhetorical support of Hamas, could well be precisely the kind of moderate Islamic body that the administration says it seeks.” In addition, a committee in the British House of Commons also advocated the UK opening a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, as well.

    At the same time, some U.S. officials and dignitaries seemed to have softened their approach to the Muslim Brotherhood. In 2005, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pressed President Mubarak to open up participation in the Egyptian parliamentary elections, resulting in a major increase of elected Muslim Brotherhood members from 15 to 88. Subsequently, Mubarak became more reluctant to take U.S. advice.

    Visiting U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer met twice in 2007 with the head of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s parliamentary bloc, Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, according to Brotherhood spokesman Hamdi Hassan.

    The critical question is whether the Obama administration’s policy toward Egypt will be based on a perception that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood would be extremely dangerous. Or have they taken the position – voiced in
    parts of the U.S. foreign policy establishment – that the Muslim Brotherhood has become moderate and can be talked to? The initial reactions of the Obama administration indicate that it does not rule out Muslim Brotherhood participation in a future Egyptian coalition government.8 Unfortunately, there is a dangerous misconception about the Muslim Brotherhood in parts of the foreign policy community in the West that could affect calculations in Washington and London in the weeks ahead.

    http://imra.org.il/story.php3?id=50917

  132. Huntsman was the ambassador to China, not Egypt…thats Margaret Scobey.
    ——————————–
    Thanks Moon. My mistake.

  133. Reuters reporting new statement from Egypt’s Foreign Ministry rejecting US and European calls for immediate political transition in Egypt.

    The Egyptian statement says it rejects calls for immediate political transition & views them as aimed to incite internal situation in Egypt.

    ………………

    Do ya reckon thats an equivalent of “Up yours Obama”

  134. Well now we know what obama really said to Mubarak…

    1/ Round up the buses and bribe…bribe…bribe…

    2/ Get them to the square on time…

    3/ Commence destroying what little freedom the Egypt people have left.

  135. @edhenrycnn: Robert Gibbs tells me WH is this morning renewing its call for non-violence in #egypt | Oh, good. That’ll work.

    tweet from CNN, lol.

  136. Guys, read point 7 in my last lengthy but informative post. It’s worth the read. Now we know in hard factual data where and how this alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood came about. You won’t be surprised.

  137. Can you believe there are Pro Mubarak supporters throwing satellite dishes, concrete blocks, anything they can of the rooftops onto the crowds below

  138. “columnist Hussein Shobokshi, writing in the Saudi-owned Al-Sharq al-Awsat on October 23, 2007, said that “to this day” the Muslim Brotherhood “has brought nothing but fanaticism, divisions, and extremism, and in some cases bloodshed and killings.”

    —————–

    And yet you will have obama promote this group of fanatics as far as he can.

    Great article, Mrs. Smith

  139. “the Muslim Brotherhood, for all its rhetorical support of Hamas, could well be precisely the kind of moderate Islamic body that the administration says it seeks.”

    —————-

    I wish they would pinpoint it and say what “obama and his thugs seek.”

    I can’t see Hillary, Gates, or the others sanctioning this garbage.

  140. From Drudge:

    REPORT: US, EU discussing need for international military intervention to remove Mubarak… Developing…

    WTF

  141. Obviously No one believes in Obama in this………………..

    Per BBC: George Bush 41 called Mubarak and suggested it’s time to leave…. (did he just go over his head)

  142. Jan, Here is the section I was referring to:

    7 Ironically, in the last five years, prominent voices in the West have considered opening a political dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood. For example, Dr. Robert S. Leiken and Steven Brooke published an article in the March-April 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs called “The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood” in which they advised the Bush administration to enter into a strategic alliance with the organization, which they referred to as “moderate,” calling it a “notable opportunity” to use the Brotherhood to promote American interests.

    James Traub echoed many of their arguments in the New York Times Magazine on April 29, 2007, in which he claimed that “the Muslim Brotherhood, for all its rhetorical support of Hamas, could well be precisely the kind of moderate Islamic body that the administration says it seeks.” In addition, a committee in the British House of Commons also advocated the UK opening a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, as well.

    At the same time, some U.S. officials and dignitaries seemed to have softened their approach to the Muslim Brotherhood. In 2005, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pressed President Mubarak to open up participation in the Egyptian parliamentary elections, resulting in a major increase of elected Muslim Brotherhood members from 15 to 88. Subsequently, Mubarak became more reluctant to take U.S. advice.

    Visiting U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer met twice in 2007 with the head of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s parliamentary bloc, Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, according to Brotherhood spokesman Hamdi Hassan.

    The critical question is whether the Obama administration’s policy toward Egypt will be based on a perception that the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood would be extremely dangerous. Or have they taken the position – voiced inparts of the U.S. foreign policy establishment – that the Muslim Brotherhood has become moderate and can be talked to?

    The initial reactions of the Obama administration indicate that it does not rule out Muslim Brotherhood participation in a future Egyptian coalition government.

    8 Unfortunately, there is a dangerous misconception about the Muslim Brotherhood in parts of the foreign policy community in the West that could affect calculations in Washington and London in the weeks ahead.

  143. “REPORT: US, EU discussing need for international military intervention to remove Mubarak… Developing…”

    Bush 41 may be afraid Mubarek could be in a vindictive bent and publicly spill the beans revealing all the covert activities with B41s admin…Mubarek may end up 86ed dying with all the secret covert operations planned and carried out, authored by B41s admin. (sniff, sniff, I smell the odor of Cheney all over this quagmire)

    Mubarek has become too much of a liability to the US and the Bushes.

  144. US, EU discussing need for international military intervention to remove Mubarak… Developing…
    —————————-
    In Egypt? Why not in Iran? For Gods Sake.

  145. “I wish they would pinpoint it and say what “obama and his thugs seek.”
    __________________________

    Their co-operation in the overthrow of Egypt.Apparently, Mubarek’s head has been on the block for a very long time. Mubarek used his alliance with Israel to stay in power.
    _______________________

    I can’t see Hillary, Gates, or the others sanctioning this garbage.
    __________________

    Of course they wouldn’t! However, she is about letting the drama unfold naturally getting the Truth out there before the final curtain.

  146. It’s pretty obvious at this point why Republicans aren’t fomenting about Impeachment of Obama because of his Treasonous activities.

    They’re ALL GUILTY and in on the plan

  147. If I am right and the same western forces who tried to force a peace deal down Israel’s throat also plotted and orchestrated this effort to depose the leader of Egypt then they are trying to remake the map of the Middle East. Oh they could have come to him and said we want you to step down because we want to remake the map of the middle east, and you are standing in our way, but if they did that and he agreed then they would have had to deal with his power structure which would not step aside. Recall the second guessing which occurred in Iraq, when it became known that for a fixed sum, Sadam would have stepped aside. There as here the goal is to topple an entire regime, not merely the leader and that is why they did it this way. Things like this do not just happen. They require a lot of planning. In their defense, one could assume that the presence of pro Western dictatorships in Arab countries create the conditions that create world wide terrorism without accepting my own theory which is that this is a colors revolution designed to further the interests of crony capitalists. The problem with that strategy, if that is what it is, is we cannot guarantee that what emerges from this cauldron will be congenial to western interests. If the goal is to install another puppet government with the superficial trappings of western democracy it will have no credibility with the Arab Street. And what is our fall back position in all this? This is a banana republic–send in the marines. How can it be? The marines are pinned down in Iraq and Afghanistan. To me at least this looks like the absence of coherent strategy–or delegation run riot. In the end, it foretells of more loss of life, and more political extremism–not at all what they intended.

  148. Men on horseback, others on camels, charging into the crowd.

    I’m waiting for them to unleash the elephants and lions.

    moononpluto, have you seen those clips?

  149. I thought this may be a repeat of last night’s info from the WH Insider, it isn’t. The narrative surrounding the Insiders information is way more in depth creating another question. If investigative journalism has been “gagged” by government; how are we supposed to get to the bottom of any issues when government entities can arbitrarily suppress First Amendment Rights and the Constitution?
    _________________________________

    “White House insider warns of dire consequences from eligibility issue..extremely sensitive investigative documents, including a stunning written admission by a nationally known talk show host stating that he was threatened with his career – or worse – should he talk about the issue of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth records to a national audience.

    This document was obtained on December 10, 2008, and provides explicit detail of a “gag order” imposed on this host before and immediately following the national election last November.”

    Continue reading on Examiner.com:

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/white-house-insider-warns-of-dire-consequences-from-eligibility-issue#ixzz1CoxxQSP9

  150. Egypt Rejects Western Calls for Quick Political Transition

    February 2, 2011

    The Egyptian foreign ministry has rejected calls from Western powers for an immediate start to a political transition in Egypt.

    The ministry released a statement Wednesday saying the aim of the calls from “foreign parties” has been to “incite the internal situation in Egypt.”

    A number of world powers have urged Egypt to step up its timetable for a political transition, after President Hosni Mubarak announced Tuesday that he would not seek another term in office amid mass demonstrations demanding that he step down immediately.

    On Wednesday, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton urged Mr. Mubarak to respond quickly to anti-government protesters seeking the transition. The EU issued a statement calling on Egypt to begin an “orderly transition” with reforms that include “free and fair elections.”

    U.S. President Barack Obama said Tuesday that Mr. Mubarak recognizes that the “status quo is not sustainable.” Mr. Obama also said he had told the Egyptian president that an orderly transition “must be peaceful and must begin now.”

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Wednesday he wishes to see a transition of power in Egypt happen “without delay” and “without violence.”

    Meanwhile, British Prime Minister David Cameron said Egypt’s orderly transition is “urgent” but must also be credible. In a Wednesday speech to Parliament, he said Britain stands with those in Egypt who want freedom and democracy.

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday the Egyptian people do not trust the country’s current administration. He said it would be best for Egypt to allow an interim administration to carry the country to democracy. Separately, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said it was important for Egypt to keep the transition period short.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has voiced concern about Egypt’s future relations with his country. A Wednesday statement from his office says Mr. Netanyahu told diplomats that the international community must insist that any Egyptian government maintains peace with Israel.

    German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said developments in Egypt have opened the way for a new political beginning.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/World-Leaders-Call-for-Orderly-Transition-in-Egypt-115100514.html

  151. Moon,
    Thanks pretty darn interesting that Bush 41 called Mubarak and told him to leave….now we know Obama has the power of a piss ant. I guess Bill Clinton couldn’t call because Hillary would of gotten in trouble with Mo and Valerie.

    I find this so ridiculous that the President who is running for re-election has to have the previous Presidents call and help him….this is so ridiculous….

    I have an idea, why don’t we send a plane with Obama on it to pick up Mubarak and they both can fly to China and live!

  152. Mrs.Smith @ 11:22

    Well with that piece of information, we can add 2 and 2 and realize that the Bush’s put Obama in office!
    We all know that Condi is all up Obama’s ass and that she is against Israel…so where does that leave Hillary….SOL!

  153. Al Arabiya reporter: The captured individuals who came on camels & horses have Interior Ministry ID cards. Al Jazeera reports the same.

    Shocked….not.

  154. gonzotx
    February 2nd, 2011 at 1:55 am

    This is very long and I apologize, but I thought a good read. Got it from American Thinker

    “….Officers were not called from their vacations and the whole top command of the Egyptian army was actually thousands of miles away in Washington for strategic prearranged discussions at the Pentagon…”

    Does this mean anything?

  155. Well my water pipes just froze over….I don’t know how you guys live like this…I am ready to move back down to my homeland….the Rio Grand Valley…it never gets below 40 there…its too cold up here in East Texas…if I was to go to say Rhode Island, I’d think I was in Alaska! LOL!

  156. Now its really Biblical with horses and camels in the fight, LOL! I hope none of those animals get hurt! I don’t give a crap about the people, just the animals.

    Poor animals could care less about war and yet they get in the middle of it.

    The museum is on fire, I knew that was going to happen!

  157. Analysis: Jordan’s king seeks to shore up tribal support

    By Suleiman al-Khalidi
    AMMAN | Wed Feb 2, 2011

    (Reuters) – King Abdullah is seeking to appease Jordan’s powerful tribes by naming a conservative former army general as prime minister but he will need to appeal to a wider base to maintain stability and deflect regional turmoil.

    Facing widespread protests inspired by uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, Abdullah sacked his government and appointed Marouf Bakhit as prime minister Tuesday, angering the main Islamist opposition who said Bakhit oversaw flawed 2007 elections.

    Analysts said the decision reflected a traditional priority of the Hashemite royal family to placate “East Bank” Jordanians, the country’s original inhabitants who dominate the political establishment, over the interests of Palestinian communities.

    The stability of Jordan is vital for Israel, which has a peace treaty and close security cooperation with its eastern neighbor. British-educated King Abdullah is a key political and military partner of the West.

    Palestinians and Jordanians of Palestinian origin make up a majority of the 7 million population.

    East Bankers, who have enjoyed a generally higher level of state jobs and subsidies, were alarmed by the threat to their benefits from a sharp economic slowdown and from economic liberalization promoted by former Prime Minister Samir Rifai.

    Protests across Jordan went ahead despite a rushed package of government aid worth $500 million that focused on raising civil servants’ salaries and reversing a decision to freeze state hiring. Protesters called for Rifai’s dismissal, although no direct criticism was addressed to the palace.

    “The king, by appointing Bakhit, is seeking to calm an influential constituency that defines its interests within the traditional state bureaucracy and feels threatened by excessive free market policies,” said Mohammad Masri, political analyst at Jordan’s Center for Strategic Studies.

    “However the coming days will show if this strategy is able to contain demands of civil and political society for wider political reforms.”

    NO CRITICISM OF MONARCHY, YET

    Unlike the mass demonstrations in Tunisia and Egypt, where hundreds of thousands of protesters took to the streets demanding the overthrow of the head of state, the rallies in Jordan have not yet targeted Abdullah so far.

    Jordanian monarchs have often defused tension in times of crisis by dismissing the cabinet — Abdullah’s father King Hussein changed prime minister 45 times in his 47-year reign — though it might be risky to assume the move will always work.

    “The monarchy is immune for the time being, but this is not an eternal condition,” said Mustafa Hamarneh, political analyst and board chairman of al-Sijil magazine.

    “I don’t think (Bakhit) is the kind of politician who will institute political change, the kind of change that the country needs badly now,” Hamarneh said.

    The dismissal of Rifai marked the latest standoff between Abdullah and an establishment that has long resisted changes to a tribally structured society, fearing it could give Jordanians of Palestinian origin more influence and reduce East Bankers’ access to government funds.

    A leaked U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks this week highlighted the scale of that spending, saying 83 percent of Jordan’s $7.71 billion budget last year went toward a “bloated civil service and military patronage system.”

    Rifai’s embrace of private enterprise raised fears he would erode the state’s economic role, voiced in the protests in rural East Bank strongholds such as the cities of Karak and Maan.

    Jordan’s Islamists, the country’s biggest political group, are concentrated mainly in Amman and its urban surroundings and have taken a back seat in protests outside the capital.

    The Islamic Action Front (IAF), which dismissed Bakhit’s appointment as an inadequate step, says it will continue weekly protests which have drawn a few thousand demonstrators in Amman after Friday prayers, saying the protests had broader aims.

    “The issue is not about the personality of Rifai. It’s about changing the way governments are formed and moving to elected governments that are truly representative,” said Sheikh Hamza Mansour, head of the IAF.

    Bakhit, a former military intelligence general, served as prime minister from 2005 to 2007, overseeing parliamentary elections which were widely seen as marred by vote-rigging.

    Analysts say he is known for his anti-business views and will for now likely reassure public sector employees that their interests will be preserved.

    Bakhit’s aides say his cabinet will not include figures drawn from the private sector, derided by their opponents as the “digitals” in previous liberal administrations and whom Rifai also came to symbolize.

    But an economic policy driven by political expediency will only worsen the country’s ability to fight a recession.

    Although the authorities managed to cut a $2 billion record budget deficit in 2009 by nearly a third last year, a reversal of austerity measures taken in the wake of protests will strain state finances long kept afloat by aid and remittances.

    At least $1.4 billion is already set aside for subsidies, from barley for cattle owners to electricity and water in rural areas. Many Jordanians who have protested in recent weeks will be hoping Bakhit keeps those subsidies intact.

    “The issue in Jordan is not about regime change — it’s about changing the behavior of the regime. People still trust the king has more to give people,” said Sami Zubaidi, a leading columnist and editor of ammanpost.net, a news website.

    “The tribal structure of the kingdom does not allow for a alternative regime than this one. The throne still has the trust of Jordanians,” Zubaidi added.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/02/us-jordan-a-idUSTRE71156F20110202

  158. #
    confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Mrs.Smith @ 11:22

    Well with that piece of information, we can add 2 and 2 and realize that the Bush’s put Obama in office!

    We all know that Condi is all up Obama’s ass and that she is against Israel…so where does that leave Hillary….SOL!
    _________________

    It leaves Hillary where she’s always been, an honest broker and remaining outside the putrid swamp the Bushes and Obama have gotten us into.

    FYI, confloyd, my son just called 2 min ago and said his pipes were frozen and all work in the area has been shut down. He is on his way to Lowes to buy insulation.

    Jan- apologies if my last response came across as a bit to strong. It was meant to be taken personally. {{hugs}}

  159. confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    ————
    My friend in B.C. and I were talking about this last night…how hard it is for someone who isn’t used to extreme weather fronts to deal with it.

    If you grow up with it, like I have, it’s easier in many ways. Your municipality is prepared with the tools to clear roads and help the community. It’s depressing to have so much snow but you get used to it.

    I really hope you stay warm and get things running again soon.

  160. basil,

    When I was in my late teens my friends and I were backpacking through Europe and the Middle East. I remember being with a male friend in the Arab Market when a camel driver came up to him and offered him 5 camels for me.

    LOL…we never laughed so hard afterwards. I thought I was worth much more. 🙂

  161. “A camel driver came up to him and offered him 5 camels for me.”

    Yikes~!

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry! Clearly, your friend was right not to sell you for such a meager price but the fact that women were then, (and probably now) bought and sold like camels is even more reason to oppose the spread of any regime which would further impose sharia law.

  162. lol, consistent……Indeed, Obama has been consistent – consistently avoiding taking any real stance and hedging his bets.

  163. Gibbs says president will take reporter questions on Friday when Canadian PM Harper visits.

    So Obama is in hiding until Friday i guess?

  164. ABC’s Christiane Amanpour said Wednesday that she and a crew came under attack from a “mob” on the same day CNN’s Anderson Cooper reported the same. Amanpour wrote in a reporter’s notebook released by ABC News that the attack came after trying to film on a bridge into Tahrir Square. “An angry mob surrounded us and chased us into the car shouting that they hate America,” she said. “They kicked in the car doors and broke our windshield as we drove away.”

    ……………..

    Thats what ya get reporting in a war zone.

  165. Ok, i now beg the question, can NBC please send Chris Matthews and rehire Oberlmann and send them off to cover Egypt…..

  166. Moon,
    That’s a grand idea and we could also send Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity with Chris and Oberman…they can have a civil war in the middle of a civil war….I think that would be fitting for all four!

  167. JanH,
    I dont know how old you are, but 5 camels probably was quiet a bit of money, LOL! Geez, I’m so old I would love for someone to offer 5 camels for me at this point….they’d prolly have to give someone 5 camels to take me and I can’t even cook, but I can take a hell of an xray!! I imagine I could even do it in the desert since I’ve been doing xray since they discovered the xray beam…..LOL!

  168. Mrs. Smith,
    I had the hot water going, but my dad turned it off while I was on the treadmill and now it frozen solid…I had a little coming out, but not now! He doesn’t bath enough to know which knob is which. Old folks don’t like to bathe, I think they are afraid of losing body fluids…nay they afraid of fallling!

    Well I hope my patients don’t mind that I won’t have a bath before work after a workout on the treadmill, LOL! I’m sure they won’t mind, cause most of them don’t bathe either, LOL!

    Your poor son, I know how he feels…I hope this is over soon, we aren’t used to it.

  169. “A camel driver came up to him and offered him 5 camels for me.”
    _____________________

    If I had been with you, we would have had fun, Jan. I would have told the man, nothing less than 10 camels for this little lady..

    (they love to bargain)

  170. I am totally buried at work and no time to see what has happened since last night.

    What is the recap since then?

    Has the Peace Train left the station yet in Egypt?

    Sorry for this request…I am dying to know and off to a meeting…

    Gack

  171. Mrs. Smith,
    What do you yank’s do up there for a bath when the pipes are frozen??? I only have cold water running….the thought of taking a ice cold bath is not appealing right now, LOL!

  172. Egyptian state TV is talking about a Qatari-Israeli conspiracy to bring instability to Egypt through Al Jazeera.

    Mubarak trying to hang this on Israel…that’ll go down well.

  173. I just got in myself, Shadowfax-

    There was a small window open where I could go to the pharmacy. Treacherous driving w/freezing rain.

    CK back in a little while… nothing new that I know of…

  174. confloyd,

    your pipes are going to burst and flood your house if you don’t get them thawed out asap. Call the SIL and get him over there/ pronto.

  175. Mrs. Smith,
    They are all under the house, it won’t flood the house, just underneath. The wind is whipping up underneath the house…I guess I should brick the bottom?

  176. Mrs. Smith,
    They are all under the house, it won’t flood the house, just underneath. The wind is whipping up underneath the house…I guess I should brick the bottom?
    ___________

    They are going to burst no matter where they are… water expands when frozen. I take it the air runs free under the house.. yes? Then you have to seal the open space with plastic all around and get electric heaters in under the house and thaw the pipes out. Otherwise, you’re going to have a huge plumbing bill and no water for a few days. (rent the heaters … big commercial ones)

  177. confloyd,

    I’m 55 yrs old now.

    Mrs. Smith,

    My friend joked with him and asked him for 15 camels…that is when I punched in the arm and walked away. 🙂

  178. confloyd,

    If the pipes are under the house then you need to worry about your basement. Get in professional help if you can.

  179. Having read Judge Vinson’s discussion and verdicts, I talked about it with my doctor today, who gave me a full half hour to talk about the health care debacle. He just sat there shaking his head.

    There were two parts in the reading that interested me most as a Hillary supporter and especially as a supporter of her health care plan. The first was (pages 50-51, when he speaks of the feds “economic activity” argument):

    “Indeed, while $43 billion in uncompensated care from 2008 was only 2% of national health care expenditures for that year, it is clearly a large amount of money; and it demonstrates that a number of the uninsured are taking the five sequential steps. And when they do, Congress plainly has the power to regulate them at that time (or even at the time that they initially seek medical care), a fact with which the plaintiffs agree.”

    … “when they do…” was Hillary’s idea to sign people up for insurance when they show up at the hospital ER. The Judge and the plaintiffs (the States) agreed that this would indeed be an appropriate time to “regulate” the health care market. Hillary’s soft “individual mandate” would not have been contested. Of course none of the rest of her plan would have been contested either because her plan was meant to actually alleviate the problems of health care access and quality, which neither the Judge nor the Plaintiffs contest is a necessity:
    (pages 75-76 in conclusion)

    “The existing problems in our national health care system are recognized by everyone in this case. There is widespread sentiment for positive improvements that will reduce costs, improve the quality of care, and expand availability in a way that the nation can afford….

    The health care market is more than one sixth of the national economy, and without doubt Congress has the power to reform and regulate this market. That has not been disputed in this case. The principal dispute
    has been about how Congress chose to exercise that power here.”

    And so it goes. All that can be said for Obamacare now is that we were worse off with it, and now worse off period.

  180. Not a fan of the author, but…

    Hillary’s 3 a.m. moment

    Confronted with the most acute foreign policy crisis of his administration, President Barack Obama is increasingly relying on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her advice and connections — including a 20-year friendship with the family of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak that has drawn fire from human rights advocates.

    It was Clinton who came up with the idea of sending Frank Wisner, U.S. ambassador to Egypt in the 1980’s, to Cairo to deliver Obama’s pointed request that Mubarak not seek a new term as the country’s leader, an administration official told POLITICO.

    And it was Clinton who Obama dispatched to appear on five Sunday morning shows to send a not-so-subtle message to the tottering dictator that the time had come for a “peaceful transition to real democracy,” not Mubarak’s “faux democracy.”

    As a Democratic presidential candidate in 2008, Clinton aired the famous “3 a.m.” commercial, with its image of a White House phone ringing with news of an international crisis, to question Obama’s foreign policy experience. But in the past week, Clinton has been at the center of Obama’s frantic attempt to keep pace with spiraling events — including a critical meeting in the Oval Office last Saturday when Obama deputized Clinton to clarify the administration’s confused response to the crisis.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0211/Hillarys_3_am_moment.html

    ——————-
    Hillary has already had too many 3 a.m. moments to count.

  181. #
    JanH
    February 2nd, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    My friend joked with him and asked him for 15 camels…that is when I punched in the arm and walked away. 🙂
    _________________

    See, your friend and I, we think alike! 🙂 🙂

    _____________________

    Jan, Texas doesn’t do basements. Most are on a cement slab. They think we are weird because we have basements… 😆

  182. lol…Mrs. Smith…

    I learn something new every day. So it would still be her foundation though that she has to worry about right?

  183. JanH
    February 2nd, 2011 at 3:17 pm
    ——————————
    Knowing this dimwitted little prick Ben Smith as we do, specifically his love for Obama and his hatred for Hillary these past three years, do you think this article is on the level or is it perchance an effort by him and his organization to put the turd of Egypt in Hillary’s pocket. Before you answer keep in mind that Obama is the one who sent his minions to the symposium on overthrowing Mubarak, Obama is the one who sounded the call to Mecca in his Cairo speech, and Obama is the one who met with the Muslim Brotherhood and directed his press secretary to deny it. Put differently, to be a good liar two conditions are important: i) first, make sure your own statements are not contradictory, and ii) second, make sure your statements do not conflict with established facts. Gibbs flunks both tests, and now we hear that this revolt caught the Obama Regime by surprise. I guess they figure they can blame the CIA for surprise, but if the verdict is complicity, as the facts suggest, then it is hard to put that turd in anyone else’s pocket.

  184. So it would still be her foundation though that she has to worry about right?
    ________________________

    Her house doesn’t sit on a sold foundation wall. It could be jacks or stacked blocks in strategic locations or pilings. We’ll have to wait for her description.

  185. wbboei,

    I don’t need time to think about this. I was shocked to see this article in print in the first place and I have no doubt that he is possibly trying to “put the blame on Mame” here.

    Problem is, for me at least, it just made me see how much a puppet king obama is.

  186. And so it goes. All that can be said for Obamacare now is that we were worse off with it, and now worse off period.
    ——————————-
    I see it differently. First, from the standpoint of constitutional law, the extension of the Commerce Clause to inactivity sets a perilous precedent in all other areas, and in the balance of power between citizens and their government in many areas. The judge was crystal clear on that point, and it is essential to our constitutional system. Second, your contention that we are worse off without Obama care than with it assumes facts not in evidence, specifically the fact that there are in fact intelligent ways to lower cost and plug the holes in the system that do not involve big brother. For more on that subject, I commend to your attention a treatise by Professor Robert Porter which advocates a competition based patient centered approach to the problem which government can foster and support. This would avoid the inefficiencies of bureaucracy, the elimination of personal choice, and the enrichment of Obama cronies like Immelt. Simply put, they will need to find a solution better than Obamacare, and I am reasonably certain they will because the current system cannot continue.

  187. confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    ===================================

    Warm some water on your stovetop. Or, if you have jugs of room temperature bottled water, use that water while standing in your tub or shower. It’s better than not taking a shower at all.

  188. Tony Blair: Mubarak is a ‘force for good’
    —————————————–
    To me this statement suggest a schism in the elites. I truly believe this is a colors revolution orchestrated by the Soros contingent of the elites, and not fully supported by the Bush contingent. At this point, nobody can be very comfortable with the situation because it is spinning out of control. Perhaps that is why Obama seems to waiver in public and gone into hiding. If it is a Soros revolution, then they have already picked the successors–just as he picked Obama. What these megalomaniacs failed to fully anticipate however was the distinct possibility that instead of yielding to the Messiah’s call to step down, which is the culmination of the plan he has been party to, that Murbaack would dig in–for himself and for his entourage. From the standpoint of the principles of stability first articulated by Karl Metternick after the Napoleonic Wars and as practiced by his latter day student Henry Kissinger, the best solution is to support Mubarack’s promise to step down at the end of the term, and the worst solution is to heed the call of the Rabble of Paris and do so now.

  189. Why would you leave Bush out of this…he’s right in the middle of it…hell he started it! Gimme a break!

  190. Confloyd – I found this site in Texas about frozen pipes and here are a few tips along with what Mrs. S said:

    * Let the faucets drip: Having your faucets drip during frosty temperatures will do wonders in helping a pipe continue to do its job and not burst. That small trickle of water will offer relief from the pressure built between a faucet and the potential ice. Some people are concerned with a higher water bill. Which would you prefer, a slight bill increase of a few pennies or a major pipe repair bill that could cost you hundreds, maybe even thousands?

    * No heat whatsoever: The last thing a frozen pipe needs is heat. According to the National Weather Service, water actually freezes “when heat in the water is transferred to subfreezing air.” It’s probably best to let the water run as mentioned above.

    * Drain your system: This is a great idea if you are leaving your home for a couple of days. If you drain your water system, there is no water in your pipes. If there is no water in your pipes, they cannot freeze. Shut off your main water valve, and turn on all hot and cold water fixtures in the home. Once the water stops running, you are officially drained. Once you return, turn the main valve back on and let all hot and cold fixtures run.

    http://www.brownandsonsplumbingllc.com/articles/keeping-your-pipes-unfrozen.html

    I live in sunny CA, so I have no idea what is best.

    Keep warm all you folks dealing with the freakin’ cold weather.

  191. WTF?

    The federal government has seized the Web addresses of ten websites that allegedly live stream sporting and pay-per-view events online, shutting them down just days before one of the biggest televised sporting events of the year: the Super Bowl.

    The U. S. Attorney’s Office of the Southern District of New York, working in conjunction with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, seized the Web addresses Tuesday. The seizure affidavit was unsealed Wednesday.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48692.html#ixzz1Cq7Xf1YJ

  192. Code Pink Dupes Rescued From Cairo Chaos By Evil Oil Company
    Big Peace ^ | Wednesday, February 2, 2011 | Kristinn Taylor and Andrea Shea King

    Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:24:18 PM by kristinn

    Two women who traveled from Portland, Oregon to Cairo last week to participate in Code Pink’s latest Hamas-aid trip to Gaza ended up getting rescued by a big oil company–the kind Code Pink usually protests as killing the planet, when the leftist group isn’t hobnobbing with terrorists and undermining U.S. allies like Egypt.

    The Oregonian reported Monday night about the travels of Donna Boyd, a 55 year-old nurse, and a female friend who arrived in Cairo on Friday for the Muslim Brotherhood’s “Day of Rage” protest against the Egyptian government of Hosni Mubarak.

    Boyd describes the chaos of trying and failing to get to her hotel at Tahrir Square, the center of the protests.

    They were on a bridge crossing the Nile near the heart of the protests when the taxi suddenly stopped. They got out, looking toward the National Democratic Party building. “There was smoke and tear gas in the air,” Boyd said. “The building was on fire. People were chanting. The building was coming down. There were lots of people. Men and women. Police were everywhere, in full riot gear. They were just standing there.”

    They were close to Tahrir Square, but there was no way they were going to make it to their hotel amid the fiery demonstrations. So, the driver took them to the Marriott on the other side of the Nile.

    After spending the next day playing tourist because Code Pink’s trip to Gaza had been canceled, the liberal dilettantes found that playing revolutionary turned out to be a bit too real.

    “They were all out on the streets with weapons,” she said. “They had clubs and swords and pipes. We didn’t know what was going on. We ended up at Tahrir Square because they took a wrong turn.”

    They bailed out of the taxi and fled across the river to their hotel. They decided to leave on Sunday.

    Boyd and her friend went to the airport as planned but found a “smash of humanity…trying to get out of Egypt.”

    Fortunately for the two Code Pink dupes, workers from Shell Oil took pity on the women and treated them “like royalty.”

    They found a group of other Westerners and stayed with them. Turned out they were a group of Shell Oil employees who had chartered a flight out of Egypt.

    In the end, the two women left Cairo on that flight to Amsterdam.

    “We were treated like royalty,” Boyd said.

    Shell put the two women up in a hotel in the Netherlands, where they plan to stay until Wednesday when they have a flight home.

    …………………………..

    This is what happens when you stick your nose in stuff you know nothing about and the height of irony saved by oil executives.

  193. Shadowfax, I am so glad Homeland Security is protecting us from unauthorized Superbowl feeds!!!!
    I feel so much safer!

  194. Al-Arabiya TV correspondent Ahmed Abdullah has been found. Was severely beaten, now in hospital.

    Seems the pro Mubarak lot got him earlier and decided to make an “example”

  195. Clinton Urges Investigation Into Cairo Violence

    By Nicole Gaouette – Feb 2, 2011

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke today to Egypt’s new vice president, Omar Suleiman, and urged him to conduct a probe into violence that rocked Cairo’s Tahrir Square.

    “She emphasized our condemnation of the violence that occurred today and the responsibility of the government to hold fully accountable those who did it,” said Philip J. Crowley, the State Department spokesman.

    Crowley said the U.S. doesn’t know who is behind attacks on protesters in Cairo. “Whoever they are, there needs to be accountability here,” Crowley said. “This was clearly an attempt at intimidating the demonstrators.”

    Supporters of Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak clashed in central Cairo today with demonstrators who were demanding an immediate end to the 30-year tenure of the leader, who said yesterday he planned to stay in office until elections, due in September.

    The U.S. has called for Mubarak to begin the transition of power immediately. “Tomorrow is not good enough,” Crowley said.

    “The U.S wants to see elections in Egypt as soon as possible, Crowley said. “What we want to see is a credible process that leads to free, fair, legitimate elections.”

    Crowley praised the Egyptian army for its professionalism and said it was in the “difficult position” of trying to be a stabilizing force without being forced to choose sides. The army “will obviously play a role in this transition,” Crowley said.

    Crowley said the U.S. wouldn’t “anoint” a particular candidate in any future election.

    “This is not our process,” he said. “Our point is this transition, this process to fundamental change, needs to begin now.”

    He dismissed calls by Suleiman for the demonstrators to go home before dialogue begins. “I don’t think it’s credible to say no dialogue can begin until the protesters leave the streets,” Crowley said.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-02/clinton-urged-investigation-into-cairo-violence-crowley-says.html

  196. moononpluto

    Code Pink Dupes Rescued From Cairo Chaos By Evil Oil Company

    ——–
    What a freakin’ joke these code pink women were. Went over there for a little protest that was way above their pay grade. Welcome to the real world where your cute pink outfits may land you in a swamp of trouble.

    They should have been duct taped to a tree for 48 hours and made to watch the drama they wanted to be a part of.

    Stupidity.

  197. by the sounds of it and other stuff i’ve heard, but it looks like that Hillary is not sitting back to let this go to shit, there is obviously a big power struggle going on there, maybe she is just tired of big ears screwing up.

  198. Hillary is basically telling Mub via the VP to knock it off, no one is fooled by his fake grassroots supporters.

  199. Yes she is being diplomatic, in public you urge investigation into incident but in private that message is “I know what you are doing, fucking stop it now”

  200. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED (FAILURE): Frank Wisner, the former ambassador to Egypt sent by the White House to tell Hosni Mubarak he shouldn’t run for another term, is flying back, an administration official says.

    I’m guessing Mubarak told him to leave and the WH has no further influence.

  201. moononpluto

    by the sounds of it and other stuff i’ve heard, but it looks like that Hillary is not sitting back to let this go to shit, there is obviously a big power struggle going on there, maybe she is just tired of big ears screwing up.

    ———
    I’ve been wondering about this and also what Mrs. S. said too…

    Is Hillary just tired of the bs and speaking out more because she can’t let important things be handled so much by the pResident with training wheels, or is it more than that?

    Is she just a born leader that is gaining back her confidence to let the shit fly and do what has to be done?

    What does she have to lose?

    If she doesn’t run for President again, she did what had to be done.
    If she does run, she will show that she is a take charge woman, and that’s that!!!!

  202. wbboei
    February 2nd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Tony Blair: Mubarak is a ‘force for good’
    —————————————–
    To me this statement suggest a schism in the elites. I truly believe this is a colors revolution orchestrated by the Soros contingent of the elites, and not fully supported by the Bush contingent.
    _____________________________

    #
    confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Why would you leave Bush out of this…he’s right in the middle of it…hell he started it! Gimme a break!
    _______________________

    Yes, you are right, confloyd. wbboei, has it wrong on two points and is in denial if he has gone Independent, when he runs cover for corrupt REpublicans.
    __________________________________

    First, this is not any type of “color revolution” as reported by the Telegraph:

    ““Egypt under Mubarak uses its billions in U.S. military aid to detain, beat and torture dissenters, opposition politicians and journalists; many have died in custody,” writes Mark Zepezauer. “Thousands of political prisoners and pro-democracy activists are held in overcrowded, disease-ridden prisons, without charges or trials. Press restrictions, including newspaper shutdowns, are widespread.”

    Which is why it makes no sense whatsoever for the CIA to be involved in contriving a series of riots that would destabilize and threaten to topple a regime loyal to them.

    This is not the type of staged “color revolution” that we’ve witnessed before in places like Georgia, the Ukraine or Yugoslavia – orchestrated events disguised as spontaneous uprisings intended to remove rogue leaders hostile to the global elite’s agenda for world government.

    This is a grass roots movement being carried out by impoverished young Egyptians finally standing up in unison to a regime that toadies to the west yet allows its people none of the freedoms associated with living in a modern and prosperous nation. But that doesn’t mean the revolution we currently see unfolding on the streets of Alexandria, Cairo, Suez cannot be co-opted by the very same globalist forces who have been pulling Mubarak’s strings for the past three decades.

    The US military-industrial complex has known for at least three years that Egypt was teetering on the verge of regime change, and they certainly were not going to let anyone outside parties take control after Mubarak’s fall. That’s why the American Embassy trained rebel leaders to infiltrate opposition groups from the very beginning, as the Telegraph reveals today.”

    *************

    And this categorically documented evidence refuting wbboei’s second point:

    “7 Ironically, in the last five years, prominent voices in the West have considered opening a political dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood. For example, Dr. Robert S. Leiken and Steven Brooke published an article in the March-April 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs called “The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood” in which they advised the Bush administration to enter into a strategic alliance with the organization, which they referred to as “moderate,” calling it a “notable opportunity” to use the Brotherhood to promote American interests. James Traub echoed many of their arguments in the New York Times Magazine on April 29, 2007, in which he claimed that “the Muslim Brotherhood, for all its rhetorical support of Hamas, could well be precisely the kind of moderate Islamic body that the administration says it seeks.” In addition, a committee in the British House of Commons also advocated the UK opening a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, as well.

    At the same time, some U.S. officials and dignitaries seemed to have softened their approach to the Muslim Brotherhood. In 2005, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pressed President Mubarak to open up participation in the Egyptian parliamentary elections, resulting in a major increase of elected Muslim Brotherhood members from 15 to 88. Subsequently, Mubarak became more reluctant to take U.S. advice.”
    _________________

  203. and again her big mouth gets in the way……such class.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/02/moseley-braun-urged-to-leave-chicago-mayor%E2%80%99s-race-after-%E2%80%9Cstrung-out-on-crack%E2%80%9D-comment/

    Moseley Braun urged to leave Chicago mayor’s race after ‘strung out on crack’ comment
    By: CNN’s Marissa Calhoun

    Washington (CNN) -One of Chicago mayoral candidate Carol Moseley Braun’s opponents is urging her to withdraw from the contest citing what she terms her “volatility” and “insensitivity.”

    This comes after the two women exchanged fiery words on Sunday – with the former senator accusing her opponent of previously being “strung out on crack.” Moseley Braun later apologized for the remarks.

    But in a statement posted Wednesday on Patricia Van Pelt-Watkins’ website the candidate: “Over the last few days, people across the city have shared their concerns about Carol Moseley Braun’s volatility and insensitivity to the lives and challenges of so many Chicago families. Today, with a host of supporters by my side, I have called for Carol to step out of this mayoral race.”

    CNN reached out to Moseley Braun’s campaign but did not receive a response.

    On Tuesday, Moseley Braun retreated from the comments that sparked the controversy. They were made to Pelt-Watkins at a weekend candidate forum – that did not include leading mayoral candidate Rahm Emanuel – at a Chicago church on the city’s south side.

    “I want to apologize to her, to the congregations and members of Trinity United Church and of New Pilgrim Missionary Baptist church and to all of the families and friends of those who are or who have been caught up in the tragedy of drug use,” Moseley Braun said to reporters in Chicago.

    According to media reports, Pelt-Watkins, who badly trails the other candidates, was initially more forgiving of Moseley Braun sayinng on Tuesday: “Though I accept Carol’s media-issued apology, I believe she should seek sensitivity counseling and make restitution by volunteering at a recovery house as soon as possible. Carol’s reckless comments reveal her detachment from the experiences of the majority of Chicago families who just need a second chance.”

    The episode (link to video) began at the Sunday event after Pelt-Watkins accused Moseley Braun of being “missing in action” from the community for the past 20 years.

    Visibly angered, Moseley Braun explained why, she felt, Pelt-Watkins was unaware of her service to Chicago.

    “Patricia, the reason you didn’t now where I was the last 20 years is because you were strung out on crack,” said Moseley Braun. “I was not strung out on crack. I don’t have a record.”

    In a recent interview with Chicago Magazine, Pelt-Watkins admitted having a problem with drugs as a teenager.

    Voter will cast ballots in the Chicago mayor’s race on February 22.

  204. ROTFLMAO!!! Okay, sometimes the commenters at hotair outdo themselves with their user names as foil for satire. Sometimes you just have to laugh to break the tension.

    Re: Egypt, and how insane and powderkeg the world is becoming:

    Forget about me already????

    Posted by: Mayan Calendar at February 02, 2011 04:31 PM (rw9qQ)

    Bitch, please.

    Posted by: Book of Revelation at February 02, 2011 04:34 PM (Ew1k4)

  205. I should have added- whatsmore Bush 41 made a private call to Mubarek early this morning asking him to step down. For our friend, wbboei to say, the Bushes have not fully supported Mubarek is just ludicrous and entirely misleading.

  206. H4T,
    That is funny!

    Mrs. Smith,
    Thanks

    Shadowfax,
    Thanks for the info on what to do with Texas pipes and gee I hope I never do anything as stupid as CodePink….you didn’t give them any breaks, LOL! They are however a bunch of idiots!

    What’s this Braun also belongs to the biggot church in Chicago…what is this “CHURCH” anyways…the meeting place for the mafia???

  207. I am really starting to hate politics, too many backdoor players, lies and corruption that it’s making my head spin.

  208. HillaryForTexas, re Mayan Calendar and Book of Revelations, here’s more evidence – from Mississippi to Jerusalem the UFOs are coming!: 🙂

  209. LOL! Yes, admin, in addition to those 2 comments they could have added:

    You’re both pikers
    Posted by: the alien overlords

  210. I think I have TM mad at me….I couldn’t stomach her last article last night and I told her about it on fb today….I’m afraid to open the email…LOL!

  211. Confloyd
    There are some code pink women that were doing their thing near where I work, back in 2008. They looked and acted like a bunch of crackpots. Then they showed up in Denver at the Convention and didn’t impress me any more with their signs and slogans.

    By the time I heard about their little trip to Egypt to make their mark on the protest and were like little lost children needing to hide in Big Oils closet, I just didn’t have any more sympathy for them.

    This protest is in the big leagues, not like downtown Denver at the convention.

    Duct tape um, I say. 😉

  212. Theres a huge battle about to kick off again, the pro mubarak have built a barricade, built up a large amount of assault weapons, bricks and stones, taking out the street lights ready for another fight.

    The local residents where the AL jazeera reporter is hiding say they recognize the people below as the local cops who normally patrol the area.

    This is state sponsored terrorism

  213. Moon,
    How do you spell “civil war”, isn’t that what Barry is really good at, touching off “civil war”. He done it here, although no one has started throwing bricks yet, but I wouldn’t rule that out if he gets 4 years. LOL!

  214. CNN’s Ben Wedeman told the blog that “he overheard a panicked army officer say the situation was out of control and there was nothing the army could do to restore order.”

    The police in Egypt are MIA, or may be part of the mob tossing gas bombs at the anti-gov protesters?

  215. I just heard on the radio from an Egyptian that the Muslim Brotherhood is PAYING people to stay in the streets and protest.

  216. Yes, you are right, confloyd. wbboei, has it wrong on two points and is in denial if he has gone Independent, when he runs cover for corrupt REpublicans.
    ———————
    Connie, this comment misrepresents my argument and my motives. We need to move beyond the democrat vs republican template and examine the issue in a broader light. As there appears to be some confusion about my argument, let me lay out the salient points for you:

    1. First, Bush and Blair planned and executed the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. This was THEIR method to depose a dictator who represented a clear and present threat to US interests. Hillary favored inspections, negotiations with military force only as a last resort.

    2. Second, I disagreed with the Bush decision and left the Republican Party because of it. At that point I became an independent, and threw my money and boots on the ground behind Hillary–both as a senator and later as a presidential candidate. (Note: I believed her vote on the Iraq War resolution was the right one and that Bush abused it.)

    3. Third, Soros favored overthrowing Sadaam as well. But he did not like the method. He favored a bloodless colors revolution. He believed the invasion alternative was messy and the physical presence of our troops on Arab soil would turn Muslim public opinion against. He felt a better result could be achieved through surrogates and preserve our reputation. So he funded move on. org, and revved up his Open Society chapters in other venues in the middle east. Also, he orchestrated the election of Obama through his control of the party, his lock on big media and with the assistance of Kennedy et al.

    4. Fourth, Obama used the Soros color revolution approach toward Iran and it failed. He is using it now with respect to Egypt although the press does not report it that way. Israeli intelligence sees it the same way I do. Their comment about being shocked by Obama’s betrayal of Mubarak confirms that suspicion.

    5. Fifth, Bush is not aligned with Soros and Obama on this approach. He sees the situation in much the same way as Blair. Thus when Blair calls Mubarak a reliable partner for peace in the middle east he speaks for Bush. Moreover, if the Soros approach succeeds in Egypt, his military invasion approach on Iran and Afghanistan will look very bad.

    6. Sixth, my operating assumption is that Bush is not on fully on board with this, and is waiting to see what happens. So as you see, I am not running cover for corrupt republicans. I am trying to determine who is really on board with this and who is not. If Bush and Soros saw the world the same way, and if one had not attacked the other for his prior approach, then I would not reach the tentative conclusion I have that there is a schism. On the other hand, if Mubarak does step down the evidence of US complicity in this will be scrubbed and the schism will disappear.

  217. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    I should have added- whatsmore Bush 41 made a private call to Mubarek early this morning asking him to step down. For our friend, wbboei to say, the Bushes have not fully supported Mubarek is just ludicrous and entirely misleading.
    **********

    Those are pretty strong words. i have heard others say the same about the Bush’s

  218. It may be that this strategy has deterioratted to the point that Bush does not have the luxury of letting Obama twist in the wind. It may be that a regional uprising is now at hand which could threaten US oil interests. In that secario, he would have to act. Let us see what happens.

  219. Speaking of camels and fights, we had a hilarious one here a few weeks ago, they have camel wrestling here, the turks all gamble on it, well some one decided to try and cheat or con or something, well didnt all hell break loose, about 50 guys fighting like cage fighters, the camels all broke loose, got stuck in the middle off the fight, got stressed, the camels then ran off round the town over cars, through restaurants, wrecked the place, took hours to settle it down.

    It was like a complete film farce, never seen anything like it.

  220. in which they advised the Bush administration to enter into a strategic alliance with the organization, which they referred to as “moderate,” calling it a “notable opportunity” to use the Brotherhood to promote American interests. James Traub echoed many of their arguments in the New York Times Magazine on April 29, 2007, in which he claimed that “the Muslim Brotherhood, for all its rhetorical support of Hamas, could well be precisely the kind of moderate Islamic body that the administration says it seeks.” In addition, a committee in the British House of Commons also advocated the UK opening a dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, as well.
    ************

    The same ” moderate “, chocking on the word, Muslim’s that cried for Egyptians to get ready to war with Israel just yesterday?

  221. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm
    I should have added- whatsmore Bush 41 made a private call to Mubarek early this morning asking him to step down. For our friend, wbboei to say, the Bushes have not fully supported Mubarek is just ludicrous and entirely misleading.
    **********
    —————-
    Insane

  222. Camel wrestling; The beginner’s guide

    While Americans are busy stuffing turkeys and stocking up on Christmas trees, Turkish camels and their owners prepare for an intense season of travel, confrontation, and competition. Every year, around 100 male camels tour the Marmara, Mediterranean, and the Aegean to compete in more than 30 wrestling festivals. Their primary motivation: get the girl. Camels will wrestle only during their mating season, which lasts from November to March, and a female camel is paraded around to provoke them into these contests. The camels’ mouths are tied during the match so that they can do no real harm to each other, and between the judges, separaters (urganci), and commentators (cazgirs), there are 21 officials (not including the camel owners) moderating the events.

    A wrestling camel can expect to compete in 10 to 14 matches per year. The camels begin their wrestling “career” at age four, when they are purchased from Iran. They train for the next four years and spend years eight through 10 coming of age and developing their own strategies. Their right of passage, much like that of Turkish boys’ occurs at this age, when the camels receive havuts, decorative cloths with their name and the word masallah (may God protect him) sewn on the inside. According to camel owners and those familiar with the sport, wrestling is not a foreign, inhumane practice being imposed on the camels. On the contrary, these dayluk (as they’re called until age seven, when they become tülü or hairy) begin wrestling naturally in the wild during their first years out of the womb, and if trained, can continue until age 25.

    People have different theories about camel-wrestling’s origins, although many argue it was a nomadic practice and part of the competition between caravan owners. Nomadic or not, these festivals have become a deep-rooted cultural pastime in Turkey. Celebratory events actually begin the day before, during hali gecesi, or carpet night, when camels are flaunted around to percussive music, their bells jingling as they amble along. The camel owners, who often get to know one another during the pre-festivities, are also dolled up in cornered caps, traditional neck scarves, and accordion-like boots.

    To prevent wearing out the camels, the matches last no more than 10 minutes, and camels compete only once a day. The victor, the camel who gets the most points for outsmarting his rival by swiftly maneuvering and having the most control over the match (which might simply mean not running away), can win anywhere from $2,500-$25,000, depending on the competition. There’s usually a wrestling World Cup of sorts at the culmination of the festivals, in which the top camels compete.

    The exact dates, times, and locations of the festivals change from year to year, but competitions are always held every Sunday from December to March. The central and southern Aegean cities of Selçuk, Izmir, Bodrum, and Kusadasi host camel-wrestling festivals. Local tourism offices will have specific information about that year’s festivals. Tickets cost around $7 per match and can be purchased on-site.

  223. Well, it says the camels aren’t injured because their mouths are tied shut so they can’t bite but I don’t know.

    See what you think. I confess I was once addicted to watching bull riding competitions and the owners treat their champion animals like pets.

    Thanks again moononpluto for pointing out something I never could have imagined existed if you hadn’t pointed it out! You live an interesting life.

  224. International Diplomacy is a complicated game and is not a matter that can be painted either black or white. Some of the decisions are choices between the lesser of two evils. It is disingenuous for people to paint a person based on his/her decision regarding Mubarak. Although for the most part, previous administrations are fully aware of what Mubarak is and how he treats his people, it is not an easy decision to withdraw support from Mubarak. The choice is between a despot and an Islamic theocrat. If it were me making the same decision, I would choose the despot over Islamic theocracy. At least with a despot, you can appeal to his sense of self preservation – with an Islamic zealot, you cannot. But then again, this is just me – others may come to different conclusion. The point is, any decision will be fraught with danger.

    AFAIC, the best outcome for now is for Mubarak to survive this revolt while at the same time, the US should intervene to make sure that he transitions the country to a group least likely to be Islamic fanatics. This rules out the Muslim Brotherhood.

  225. #
    wbboei
    February 2nd, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Mrs Smith: you know I have helped you in the past. Lay off the ad hominum stuff.

    _____________________________

    As I have helped you. Let’s not turn this into a p… contest. OK. (Really a cheap shot, I might add.)

    Firstly, as far as your rebuttal is concerned, you have supplied no supporting evidence as in links supporting your theory. I would appreciate you doing so before we go any further.

  226. Nah actually Camel wrestling, that i have seen is not dangerous, the camel owners follow very strict rules and camels are generally well looked after here.

    That video is generally it, there is no cruelty involved, the camels do it naturally, its a strange thing to to watch.

    Interestingly, one way the animal loses is it shows its tired by shedding a tear.

  227. Too late, now that Barky has said Mubarak must go, is that if Mubarak survives, he’s gonna exact payback on Barky and the US, its a lose lose for the USA here.

    Either way its a bad result.

  228. “One way the animal loses is it shows its tired by shedding a tear.”

    Awwwwwwwwww………… The poor things. Animals have such beautiful souls. They feel many of the same emotions we do. I am convinced of it.

    Good points about what happens if Mubarak survives.

    Wonder who would win if Bo and Hazni got into a wrestling match. Wonder if BO would cry.

  229. time for bed, will pick up on the news in morning, (i’m guessing running battles) early morning while you are all asleep, I am on the smae time zone as Cairo.

  230. I wish Anderson Cooper well. I don’t like his politics, but that must have been a horrifying moment for him. I hope he is okay.

  231. Analysis: Mubarak misses chance for dignified exit

    By STEVEN R. HURST
    The Associated Press
    Wednesday, February 2, 2011

    WASHINGTON — Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak missed his cue for a dignified exit from 30 years of iron-fisted rule. And the mainly peaceful street revolution, with hundreds of thousands of Egyptians demanding Mubarak’s immediate resignation, turned violent Wednesday when several thousand Mubarak supporters, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, attacked anti-government protesters.

    The uprising in Egyptian streets – now in a second week – was taking a dangerous, but not surprising, new turn. In chaotic scenes, the two sides pelted each other with stones, and protesters dragged attackers off their horses. The hours of turmoil were the first significant violence between supporters of the two camps in more than a week of anti-government protests. About 10,000 anti-Mubarak protesters were in the city’s main gathering place, Tahrir Square, defying a call for them to disperse. Wednesday afternoon, about 3,000 Mubarak supporters broke through a human chain of anti-government protesters trying to defend fellow demonstrators in the square.

    By saying he would leave later instead of now, Mubarak had infuriated the crowds numbering hundreds of thousands massed to demand his immediate resignation. Mubarak promised Tuesday not to run again for the presidency in September, but the crowds want him out immediately.

    The mainly peaceful street revolution now confronts the danger of even broader violence after Mubarak’s vow to restore order. That likely will become the work of his despised and brutal police. They face masses of Egyptians scornful of Mubarak’s promise of reforms to ensure a peaceful transition to a new leadership.

    Mubarak’s decision to stubbornly hold on to power, if even for a few more months, only deepened what has become the biggest foreign policy crisis to confront President Barack Obama. The American president watched in Washington as Mubarak spoke to the Egyptian people. Obama spoke to Mubarak after the Egyptian’s address and then went to the microphones himself. He said he wants an “orderly transition” to democratic rule in Egypt. “It must begin now,” Obama said.

    A day earlier, Obama’s envoy had traveled to Cairo to tell Mubarak gently but firmly that his time in power was at an end.

    Washington fears even further instability in the Middle East, where other less-than-democratic leaders were watching too, watching as the winds of a street revolution that began in Tunisia in December quickly swept from the west to Egypt.

    In Jordan, King Abdullah II disbanded his government and appointed a new prime minister, promising quick action on reforms and moves to ease rising prices.

    Demonstrations have likewise flared in Yemen, on the tip of the Saudi peninsula, and opposition figures were threatening to go into the streets in Syria.

    In Israel, which has counted on its 30-year-old peace treaty with the most-populous Arab country, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu now confronts a new unknown in the Jewish state’s very dangerous neighborhood.

    The 82-year-old Mubarak, who has been one of the United States’ most steadfast and valued allies in the Middle East, defiantly declared his intention to die on Egyptian soil, ruling out flight abroad in the face of the uprising. He must have been thinking of the ouster of Tunisia’s former dictator, who fled to Saudi Arabia last month after weeks of street protests.

    Three decades ago, the Shah of Iran – a key Cold War ally of Washington – fled to Egypt in the face of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran. “This dear nation is where I lived. I fought for it and defended its soil, sovereignty and interests. On its soil I will die. History will judge me like it did others,” Mubarak said.

    As Mubarak spoke late Tuesday, the quarter million protesters on Cairo’s main square watched on a giant television screen, then booed. Some waved their shoes over the heads in a sign of contempt. “Go, go, go! We are not leaving until he leaves,” they chanted.

    In Washington, a senior Arab diplomat said Mubarak simply couldn’t bring himself to resign. “Mubarak is reconciled to being a former president but not to being a deposed president,” the envoy said. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

    Mubarak’s military has been overlooking the demonstrations for days now, promising it would not open fire on the protesters. It now faces a major test, perhaps a choice between the people and Mubarak.

    The president’s decision to keep grasping for his once-unchallenged power was certain only to fuel continued street protests, perhaps causing them to grow and spread across the city. What then? Will the Army, which has promised not to shoot, open fire? Or will they battle on behalf of demonstrators, who now are certainly headed toward a confrontation with an angry police force and are already facing Mubarak supporters in the streets.

    A missed cue to exit the Egyptian stage may have signaled many more acts in a Middle Eastern drama that could turn into the story of a spreading revolution.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020200594.html

  232. Denninger on a roll today. We should not have bailed out the banks, and should not be continuing to do so. But….but….but…we HAD to!!!!!!! It would have been DOOOOOM if we hadn’t!! No, you cannot let them go bankrupt, the cost is too high!!!

    Oh really?

    … about Iceland.

    Unlike other nations, including the U.S. and Ireland, which injected billions of dollars of capital into their financial institutions to keep them afloat, Iceland placed its biggest lenders in receivership. It chose not to protect creditors of the country’s banks, whose assets had ballooned to $209 billion, 11 times gross domestic product.

    Yep.

    Remember, we were told that if we did this, the economy would tank and there would be tanks –
    literal martial law.

    Iceland did it, with their banks standing at eleven times GDP, far more than our banks had (and have.)

    Did it trash their economy? Yes. GDP contracted by 7% and they had a near-20% inflation rate – for one year.

    But now? Nope – 3% growth is predicted, the economy is stable, the currency is stable, and life goes on.

    What doesn’t go on is looting the taxpayers to bail out insolvent institutions and hide the truth.

    We’re still hiding the truth, incidentally. We allegedly lost $7 trillion in home value. But the total outstanding mortgage debt only decreased by $500 billion. Where’s the rest folks? $6.5 trillion in value disappeared without being accounted for.

    If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you in Manhattan.

    The losses are real. They’re still there. They’re being hidden by legalized accounting fraud that our government has engaged in as an open conspiracy with the banks.

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=178966

  233. When I get home from work I want to watch the most important news. Since KeithTheFiredSexist Oblasthim was trashing Hillary, I haven’t watched CNN. I have watched Fox, waiting for my girl Greta. Sometimes she has too many Rethugs on, so I start making dinner to block them out of my mind.

    Now that the drama in Egypt has taken over my interest, I am watching CNN for the first time.

    Why can’t Fox can Hannity when something important is going on instead of his whining and poooor Rethug comments, night after night.

    I have a feeling that Fox is starting to lose the numbers of PUMA lately and may end up back to the numbers they had before.

    I know there are some good women and guys on during the day when I am at work.

  234. Obama has a change of heart? Has anyone else heard anything about this on the news today? Nothing on msnbc front page. Since Friday, US State Dept has been asking for a smooth transition to power per Obama… Suddenly, Obama changing horses midstream? What does this mean?
    ________________________________

    Obama backs Mubarak’s bid to retain power

    By Peter Symonds
    2 February 2011

    The battle lines in Egypt are being drawn. On the one side, huge protests in Cairo and other cities, estimated at more than a million, demanded that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his regime immediately go. On the other, Mubarak thumbed his nose at the demonstrators and announced his intention to serve out his term of office until presidential elections due in September.

    Shortly after Mubarak’s speech, US President Barack Obama endorsed his Egyptian ally’s plan to cling to office until September. In a brief White House address, Obama, who had just spoken to Mubarak for 30 minutes, reiterated the longstanding “partnership” between the United States and Egypt, spoke of the need for an immediate and orderly “transition” to democratic reform, and pointedly refused to back the popular demand for Mubarak to step down.

    Obama’s aim is all too clear: to keep Mubarak in office for as long as possible while fashioning a regime to prop up bourgeois rule and uphold the strategic and economic interests of US imperialism in the region. This inevitably means relying on the military to suppress popular opposition.

    Obama’s determination to back Mubarak exposes the rank hypocrisy of his declarations of support for “democracy” and the rights of the Egyptian people. Washington has relied on the Egyptian dictator as a cornerstone of American policy throughout the Middle East for the past three decades, tacitly sanctioning his regime’s repression and even using its torturers for the US rendition program

    more on this turn of events:

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/feb2011/egyp-f02.shtml

  235. The above article about: Analysis: Mubarak misses chance for dignified exit

    From the same Egyptian as I mentioned above, he said the pro-Mubarak protesters came out because the anti had shut down their businesses and no one was working and they were, are, desperate. They knew the Muslim Brotherhood was paying to keep things agitated and they wanted to counter to put an end to it.

  236. HillaryforTexas
    February 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Absolutely! Stampede the sheep by threatening them into thinking they are in danger works every time.

  237. JPost.comMiddle East

    ‘We know that Netanyahu cannot sleep now’
    By BEN HARTMAN
    02/02/2011 13:37

    Protesters tell ‘The Jerusalem Post’ they don’t feel Egypt is completely free of Israeli occupation, “Camp David made us a slave.”

    Talkbacks (82)
    CAIRO – Like many of the protesters at Tahrir Square this week, 26-year-old Muhammad Salama of Cairo spoke of an eagerness for Egypt to shelve its 1979 peace agreement with Israel, but insisted he does not want war with the Jewish state.

    In his hands he held a sign reading in Arabic, “Netanyahu is worried about Mubarak,” which he said he wrote because “this is my country and my leader. I don’t want him to care about Israel, only about my country.”

    Salama spoke after President Hosni Mubarak gave a nationwide speech on Tuesday night vowing to hold new elections in which he would not run. Like all of those spoken to by The Jerusalem Post after the speech, Salama said he didn’t feel the speech represented a victory for the movement, only a new ploy by Mubarak to stall and stay in power.

    Salama and others who spoke with the Post vowed that they would stay in the square until Mubarak leaves and that the revolution is far from over.

    Salama’s friend Hazan Ahmed, 29, said the years of peace with Israel were tinged with the sting of humiliation, and that Egyptians still feel their country is not completely free of the Israeli occupation of Sinai that ended under Camp David.

    “The Egyptian army can’t enter Sinai, we feel that it is still Israel. There are Israeli people there all the time, but when we go, we have to stop at checkpoints and we get turned back. We don’t feel that Sinai is Egyptian.”

    Ahmed said he didn’t want the treaty with Israel completely dismantled, but for it to undergo a serious change.

    “It should be remodeled. With Mubarak leaving, we know that whoever comes next will remodel the agreement,” he said.

    When asked about the fact that Israel and Egypt have not gone to war since the agreement was signed, Ahmed, an unemployed medical school graduate, said, “Yes, we have peace, but we have no dignity.”

    Cairene Muhammad Gadi, a 33-year-old sales manager, walked around Tahrir Square on Tuesday holding a placard of Mubarak with a Star of David drawn on his forehead. He said he made it because “we don’t want to take our orders from Israel anymore. We will keep the peace, but we won’t let Israel or any other country tell us what to do anymore. We don’t need to take orders from the world.”

    Abdel Aziz, 27, from Mubarak’s hometown of Kafr El-Meselha, also held a sign. It said, “Bollocks to you, Mubarak, it’s all over.”

    When asked about Israel, Aziz said “this is not about Israel, this is about our country first, we don’t care about other countries.

    This is not why we are doing this.”

    Ahmad Ragab, 42, spoke more vehemently toward Israel. “Look, all Egyptian people hate Israel, only Sadat wanted Camp David. We know that Israel will be mad about what is happening here, and we know that Netanyahu can’t sleep now.

    We know that with the change here, there won’t be peace with Israel. There won’t be a war, but I don’t think there will be an Israeli embassy in Egypt any more, we will have only the most minimal relations.”

    Ragab, who studied Chinese and works in Egypt-China business relations, said, “We know the revolution will change this and that’s that, we see every day what Israel is doing with the Palestinians.”

    At the same time, like all others asked by the Post after Mubarak’s speech about the revolution’s meaning for Israel-Egypt relations, Ragab said the issue was not at all at the heart of the upheaval that began on January 25.

    “People in Egypt have no work, no future, 90 percent of Egyptian people see they have no future. They are tired,” he said.

    Salama made a similar remark. “I work 20 hours a day in security for 300 Egyptian pounds [about $55] a month, I feel terrible doing this. I studied law, I am a poet and a writer, too, but I have no options and I can’t get married. I have a good education, I deserve a good chance to prove I can be somebody,” he said.

    As much as resentment toward Israel or the US, or at the violence by Mubarak’s security services and the state police are mentioned by the protesters, their movement appears to be much more driven by exhaustion at a future that promises nothing to a largely destitute citizenry that doesn’t feel they have the ability to support themselves or their families. Among the young people especially, the issue of not having a future in the country where they grew up stokes their fury, and drives them to seek the answers in democracy.

    When asked how democracy will bring prosperity to a country where nearly half the populace lives on less than $2 a day, most protesters seemed at a loss for a definitive answer, but all expressed absolute certainty that the removal of Mubarak and his kleptocratic regime will surely bring them a greater chance at prosperity.

    For Ahmed Khater, a 26-year-old Cairene sitting in the square with the words “Mubarak get the hell out” written on his forehead, the promise of a better future has never been clearer.

    “I have a bachelor’s degree and I get paid 500 pounds [about $90] a month to be a computer technician. I can’t get married, I have no future. Mubarak’s people they just steal our money, they keep everything for themselves and they forget that we are the owners of the country,” Khater said.

    “We were sleeping until now, but we are awake.”

  238. On Party Line Vote, Democrats Defeat Republican Attempt At ObamaCare Repeal, 51-47
    —Ace

    I don’t know what to say about this other than we really need a lot more Republican senators.

    All Democrats who voted voted against it, including Ben Nelson, who is in a great deal of trouble in Nebraska and really could have benefited from a flip-flop. Warner and Lieberman were not present and didn’t vote.

  239. more from:

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/feb2011/egyp-f02.shtml

    absolutely amazing-Obama has done a complete 180 and nothing on our news about it-
    ___________________

    (cont)

    The US position stands in direct opposition to the sentiments of the Egyptian people, who turned out in their hundreds of thousands on Tuesday to call for an immediate end to the present regime. In Cairo’s Tahrir Square, demonstrators chanted: “He [Mubarak] goes, we are not going” and “Revolution! Revolution until victory!” Protestors carried signs simply declaring: “Game over,” “Checkmate” and “Get out”. A 19-year-old student told Bloomberg: “We want the whole regime to change, starting from Hosni Mubarak. We don’t accept [Vice President] Omar Suleiman or anyone else.”

    Earlier in the day, protesters streamed into Cairo from other areas despite efforts to block travel to the city by halting train and bus services, and setting up roadblocks. Large protests were held as well in other major cities, including Suez and Alexandria, where tens of thousands participated.

    Reports were vague about the impact of the call for an indefinite general strike, but many shops and businesses were closed. Cargo operations at the ports of Alexandria and Damietta were at a standstill. “Customs officials are not there. There is nobody to operate the cranes. You could say the country has effectively shut down,” Dan Delany, a Lloyd’s of London agent, told Reuters.

    Expectations were high among the protesters. News agencies reported a festive atmosphere. But the mood quickly changed to disbelief and denunciation following Mubarak’s speech. The CNN correspondent on the spot in Tahrir Square declared that she had never seen the crowd so angry. Some declared the speech an insult. Others waved their shoes in the air to show extreme disapproval. Large crowds remained in the square in defiance of the night-time curfew.

    Mubarak’s speech contained a definite threat. While declaring that the young people who had initiated the protests had legitimate grievances, the president added that the opposition movement had been “exploited” by political groups that wanted to destroy the constitution and others who engaged in looting. After announcing that he would stand aside in September, Mubarak declared that it was his responsibility in the coming months to “establish stability” and alluded to measures to deal with those involved in criminal acts.

    Mubarak and the Obama administration are clearly counting on the military to contain and ultimately suppress the mass opposition to the dictator’s continued rule. To date, the army has declared that it will not use force to silence “legitimate” demands for reform. But as one US official told Associated Press, the military leadership is allowing protestors to “wear themselves out”. Behind the scenes, the generals are making their preparations for repression when they judge that the time is right.

    In his comments yesterday, Obama hypocritically declared that it was not “the role of any other country to determine Egypt’s leaders”. Yet US officials were frantically engaged in discussions throughout the day to do precisely that. While US special envoy Frank Wisner spoke to leading figures in the Mubarak government, Defence Secretary Robert Gates was sounding out the military hierarchy in a phone conversation with his Egyptian counterpart, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi.

    Obama’s short speech was the outcome of these deliberations. The White House has decided to throw its weight behind the present regime, rather than turn to an untested coalition of opposition parties headed by Mohammed ElBaradei.(and the Muslim Brotherhood)

    While Obama called for the “transition” process to begin now and to include opposition figures, any involvement will be on Washington’s terms. In effect, the US has rejected the proposals of the opposition National Association for Change for an emergency transitional government, which would include Vice President Suleiman and army Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Sami Annan, to oversee constitutional change and new parliamentary elections.

    In response to Mubarak’s speech, ElBaradei declared that the regime had lost its legitimacy, adding that only the president’s resignation would bring stability. At the same time, however, he held a phone conversation with the US ambassador to Egypt, Margaret Scobey. Other opposition leaders have begun talks with Vice President Suleiman, according to Al Arabiya, despite previous declarations that Mubarak had to first go.

    Far from representing the interests of working people, these opposition groups are functioning as vital safety valves to dissipate the anti-Mubarak uprising.

    The movement is facing serious dangers. None of the demands of those protesting on the streets for basic democratic rights and decent living standards can be met by any section of the Egyptian bourgeoisie—either Mubarak and his cronies or the various opposition figures and parties that now posture as “democrats”. The working class can fight for its interests only by mobilising independently and drawing to its side sections of young people and the urban and rural poor in the revolutionary struggle for a workers’ government and socialist policies.

  240. OMG, I had to check back in….I have been soooo busy…I guess WWIII hasn’t started yet????

    Mrs. Smith,
    I’ll try to call you tomorrow…it’s too cold to go outside, LOL! Its 14 degrees…that’s pretty cold for this old Texan…LOL!

    So Odumbo has changed coarses in the middle of the stream again…well I wonder if that call from Bush 41 to Mubarak had anything to do with the change of heart??? Maybe Odumbo has found someone he can’t blackmail???

  241. “… struggle for a workers’ government and socialist policies.”

    Yes, I don’t think ‘socialist’ is a bad word in Egypt. They may swing that way yet…

  242. Okay. Obama changed his mind after Mubarak sent his thugs into the streets to attack the protestors?

    This decision comes right from the dim-thugs playbook doesn’t it?

    Remember 2008? Remember the Black Panthers? Remember the way they trashed Hillary and called her and Bill racists?

  243. Here is another stunner… Can we keep track of the ever vacillating Obama? Neither is this development on our news…
    ____________________________

    U.S. Says It Would Accept Muslim Brotherhood in Next Egyptian Gov’t

    February 2nd, 2011

    The Obama Administration says it would approve of the inclusion of the Muslim Brotherhood in the next Egyptian government if it explicitly rejects violence and endorses democracy—which, by the standards of the Brotherhood and its naïve apologists, the group already has.

    The West shouldn’t be fooled by the Brotherhood’s semantics. The top Brotherhood theologian, Sheikh Yousef al-Qaradawi, has spoken in support of elections and “democracy” and “freedom,” but by “freedom” he means the true “freedom” that can only come from Sharia law, not secularism.

    And when the Brotherhood condemns the use of violence, it is only referring to in Egypt where popular support is a better tool than violence. They aren’t referring to anywhere else, especially in Israel and the Palestinian territories. After all, Hamas is a branch of the Brotherhood. This is from Article 2 of Hamas’ 1988 Constitution:

    The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universalorganization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times.

    I don’t know if the White House’s statement regarding the Brotherhood is a recognition of reality or a severe misinterpretation of reality. The Brotherhood is a major player in Egypt and the U.S. can’t ban them from taking part in the electoral process, especially when they are part of the El-Baradei coalition.

    It’s possible that the White House judged it was better to just accept this fact. On the other hand, it is possible that the White House is being deceived by Brotherhood apologists that claim the group is moderate and democratic. Reza Aslan even wrote that it is a “good thing” for the Brotherhood to play a major role in Egyptian politics.

    The big question now is who has the White House’s ear. Is it those who are better versed in John Esposito or those who are better versed in the Holy Land Foundation?

    http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=5863

  244. Are you folks watching CNN right now?
    Anderson Cooper is covering Egypt now, and hiding in a building while people in the square are being taken away, beaten and shot…

    Really getting super ugly with violence…

  245. JanH
    February 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Remember 2008? Remember the Black Panthers? Remember the way they trashed Hillary and called her and Bill racists?
    ____________________________

    We sure do- Neither will Bill and Hillary ever forget it, ever!

    There seems to be a blackout on these news updates and lots of shuffling in the background.

    Are we seeing the contingency plan we thought would be sitting on the sidelines as Plan B– preventing a full scale disintegration of the ME, if Obama’s lack of leadership was seeming to falter introducing more chaos into the equation than resolution for a way forward?

  246. Shadowfax, I had tuned in to Greta because I like her usually, but she had some guy droning about healthcare, so I just switched over to CNN.

    Heavy gunfire they are saying…

  247. So now Obama says we can accept MB into the new govt. in Eygpt if they promise to play nice with everyone…what is it…is this guy just stupid???
    I know one thing…he didn’t go to school in America…because you learn that lesson in first grade in the US!!

  248. Hillary can’t be for this MB, there’s no way…because they would set the women back…perhaps she enlisted the help of Bush 41 herself??? Stupid Obama telling everyone to play nice!

  249. Have Aljazeera on as well. Not showing the graphic beatings and head injuries to protesters as seen on
    CNN.
    ____________________

    confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    So now Obama says we can accept MB into the new govt. in Eygpt if they promise to play nice with everyone…what is it…is this guy just stupid???
    ________________

    I have the feeling this was Obama’s original plan. Slide in the MBs in the sprit of democracy :roll:.. and someone (maybe Hillary, cut that plan short) So, the new plan is keeping Mubarek in power until a new government can be formed under controled condition. With this plan there is NO POWER vacuum vacancy tpo be filled and it seems like a better plan than the cryptic plans (installing MBs) Obama tried to implement under the radar.

  250. Hopefully Murbarak still has control of the military and they can stop these protests asap as they are becomming infiltrated by those seeking an Islamic Republic…we cannot allow that to happen no matter what the cost.

  251. US, EU discussing need for international military intervention to remove Mubarak… Developing…
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    In Egypt? Why not in Iran? For Gods Sake.

    ==================

    Just sadness.

    Military intervention doesn’t sound like too great an idea, as long as the Egyptian army says they’re not going to fire on Egyptians. Bring in non-Egyptian, and the army might start firing in all directions.

  252. jbstonesfan, I don’t think there are more islamists on the street today so much as there are more radicals of every kind, whether pro-MB or pro-Mubarek. When protests get heated, the less radical people stay home with their families.

  253. obama is trying to screw Hillary with all this back and forth garbage of his. I wonder if Mubarak has something on him. I wonder if the Muslim Brotherhood has something on him.

    Give up violence? I think he is drinking his own kool-aid.

  254. Amateur Hour with deadly consequences. The origins of this thing are what interest me most. I think Obama lit the fuse.

    “The dismantling of the Mubarak regime should teach the United States a lesson about the consequences of aligning too closely with problematic regimes.

    “It sort of reveals what a powder keg this region is and how unsustainable America’s support for some of these regimes is,”.

    This is beyond the ken of a community organizer.
    ————————————————-

    Obama Approach to Mubarak Exit Questioned as Violent Clashes Erupt

    AP

    President Obama speaks about the situation in Egypt at the White House in Washington Feb. 1.

    As resistance turns to revolt in the streets of Cairo, some are starting to question the Obama administration’s handling of the unfolding crisis in the heart of America’s most important Arab ally.

    For the most part, President Obama’s cautious, but firm, tone has won praise from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. Though the Obama administration was clearly caught off guard by how quickly a regime’s ouster in Tunisia inspired uprisings across Egypt and other Middle Eastern capitals, the president was applauded for striking a delicate balance.

    He did not take sides from the outset, but at the same time also urged President Hosni Mubarak to fix the problems in his broken government. When the momentum shifted further away from Mubarak, so did Obama, telling the 30-year ruler it’s time to step aside.

    But something went wrong. Though Mubarak announced Tuesday night he would not seek re-election, the vigil-like scene from that night has given way to a bloody series of clashes between protesters and pro-government supporters.

    Analysts and diplomats say the administration now must be even more cautious about what it says publicly, and they worry that the president may have slipped in the way he pushed for Mubarak’s exit.

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    A Federal Gravy Train May End 25 Arrested at Meeting of California Political Conservatives Can Creditors Sue You? Three Illegal Immigrants Accused in Death of American Teen Surrender in Arizona An Ugly Side Effect of New 1099 Law: More Tax Evasion Elliott Abrams, a former George W. Bush adviser and fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said Obama appears to be taking partial credit for Mubarak’s announcement by delivering a statement to the public Tuesday night. That, he said, was a mistake.

    “I thought the president should not have spoken,” Abrams said. “It was kind of unseemly, I thought.”

    John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, similarly said the administration should fight the instinct to weigh in so publicly.

    “I honestly wish we’d stop making statements,” Bolton said. “I’m not saying do nothing. I’m just saying for God’s sake, be careful.”

    The former ambassador said he’s concerned the Obama administration may have “hardened” Mubarak’s position by pushing him too far at once, speculating that the administration may have urged the Egyptian president to step down immediately, as opposed to waiting for his term to expire at the end of the year.

    White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs did not say Wednesday whether that was the case, only that Obama wants Egypt to start the transition process immediately.

    “I think the people of Egypt need to see change, the people of Egypt need to see progress. And that’s what the world needs to see,” Gibbs said.

    But Bolton said the administration’s tough tone may have triggered a “counter-reaction,” leading both sides to dig in their heels.

    Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, also told Fox News there is concern in Israel regarding “how quickly the Obama administration abandoned a 30-year ally.”

    At the same time, few want to see the administration disengaged, or living in the past, as Egypt prepares for a post-Mubarak era. Too much is on the line — a peace treaty with Israel, Egypt’s role in the Middle East peace process and its alliance with the West in a hostile region.

    Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., praised Obama for being proactive, saying he’s “learned a lot” since the anti-government demonstrations in Iran in 2009, when the president’s response was widely seen as too neutral.

    Many are urging the administration to keep close ties with the Egyptian military, viewing that as the most stable, critical and lasting entity in the country.

    But once again, Obama is left with no good options in the Middle East. And he’s being pulled in multiple directions.

    With Egyptian factions jockeying for a foothold in the next government, McCain told Fox News that Obama needs to raise a red flag about the Islamist tenets held by the country’s most important opposition group, the Muslim Brotherhood. He said Mohamed ElBaradei, the former International Atomic Energy Agency head who returned to Egypt to rally the protesters, is “not a friend of the United States” and could emerge as a “figurehead” for the Brotherhood “since he has no real following.”

    But Bolton said calling out the Muslim Brotherhood would only give the group more standing.

    And while Bolton said the administration should not be pushing for Mubarak to leave immediately, Abrams said they should be doing exactly that — only behind the scenes, not in public. McCain also sent out a Tweet Wednesday saying the time has come for Mubarak to “relinquish power.”

    “I think by and large the administration has played this pretty well, but you’re entering a period now in which our options are really diminishing,” said Aaron David Miller, a former State Department analyst and fellow with the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

    As violence erupted in Egypt Wednesday, the Obama administration intensified its calls for restraint.

    “If any of the violence is instigated by the government, it should stop immediately,” Gibbs said Wednesday.

    Gibbs did not elaborate on the administration’s review of U.S. aid to Egypt. He said the administration’s special envoy, Frank Wisner, is still in touch with all levels of the Egyptian government.

    Cato Institute foreign policy analyst Malou Innocent suggested the administration is doing the best it can in a fluid situation. If anything, she said the U.S. government wasn’t quick enough to voice support for the protesters. She, too, urged Obama to keep the Egyptian military close in the weeks and months ahead.

    The dismantling of the Mubarak regime should teach the United States a lesson about the consequences of aligning too closely with problematic regimes, she added.

    “It sort of reveals what a powder keg this region is and how unsustainable America’s support for some of these regimes is,” she said.

  255. Absolutely Disgusting! The scandal sheets are going after Chelsea and Marc…

    Chelsea Clinton & Marc Mezvinsky: No Trouble in Their Marriage, Says Source

    By Sharon Cotliar
    Wednesday February 02, 2011

    Chelsea Clinton’s marriage to Marc Mezvinsky is just fine, thank you very much.

    Despite reports suggesting that there may be trouble between the couple, who got married last summer in Rhinebeck, N.Y., a friend of the family tells PEOPLE, “The happy couple are happy.”

    Adds the friend: “Any report suggesting there is trouble in the marriage is absolutely false.”

    Mezvinsky, 33, an investment banker who had been working for the Manhattan financial firm G3 Capital, recently left his job. What he plans to do next is not known, but in the meantime he is taking advantage of his time off to ski in Jackson Hole, Wyo.

    Chelsea, 30, who is pursuing a PhD at New York University’s Wagner School of Public Service, is visiting him there when she can.

    A rep for Chelsea declined to comment.

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20463156,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

  256. CNN: some in crowd yelling “jihad! jihad!”

    This is just sad. Mubareks goons crank up the violence, and the muslim brotherhood goons try to take advantage to spread hate. Both are concerned with power, and neither give a shit about the average people who just want their freedom, even if they are not entirely sure yet what that might mean

  257. Hopefully Murbarak still has control of the military and they can stop these protests asap as they are becomming infiltrated by those seeking an Islamic Republic…we cannot allow that to happen no matter what the cost.
    —————————————
    Exactly. The timing of this is also suspicious to me. It did not happen while the Israeli Palestinian negotiations where in progress. It only happened after they broke down. As long as those negotiations were ungoing, Obama needed a stable ally in Egypt. He still does now, but I am not sure he realized it in the beginning. The fact that he would solicit Republican help on this–something he never would have considered before, tells me he knows he is in deep kaka. See the next post from NQ.

  258. Good point Hillaryfor Texas….I just hope the Egyptian military puts an end to this asap . Murbarak was far from perfect, but he was our staunch ally and upheld the peace treaty with Egypt. We should allow him to remain in power at least until a viable pro-west party is in a position to be elected as opposed to ElBaradei, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc…

  259. #
    jbstonesfan
    February 2nd, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Hopefully Murbarak still has control of the military and they can stop these protests asap as they are becomming infiltrated by those seeking an Islamic Republic…we cannot allow that to happen no matter what the cost.
    ____________________

    His Lt.Gen. Annan was in DC on the 28th for a WH meeting when the protests began. I wikied him earlier and he seems to be loyal to Mubarak. No evidence of MB connections.

    Actually, this is the best plan for the time being keeping Mubarak in place until a new government can be formed without the pressure of the protesters. For all intents and purposes, the country’s commerce is basically shut down. Leaving people idle and available to protest. I don’t know which faction was beating up the protesters. Shadowfax might have heard who was creating the violence.

  260. “I thought the president should not have spoken,” Abrams said. “It was kind of unseemly, I thought.”

    John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, similarly said the administration should fight the instinct to weigh in so publicly.

    “I honestly wish we’d stop making statements,” Bolton said. “I’m not saying do nothing. I’m just saying for God’s sake, be careful.”
    ———————
    Campaigning instead of governing.

  261. The same ” moderate “, chocking on the word, Muslim’s that cried for Egyptians to get ready to war with Israel just yesterday?

    =================

    Well, some Tea Party people would say yes, some would say no; some Leftists yes, some no; some Rightwingers yes, some no; some Big Pinkers yes, some no….

  262. Copper looks fine for someone allegedly assaulted
    ————————————————
    Copperhead looks fine to me. Superheroes do not bruise easily. His mother Mrs. Vanderbilt is nobody to trifle with and street thugs who know nothing else know that much. On the other hand this assault may have been more theater courtesy of cnn.

  263. JanH
    February 2nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Absolutely Disgusting! The scandal sheets are going after Chelsea and Marc…
    _______________

    Definitely a slam coming from BOs camp. Sickening ploy to use when people are happy and the sick minded want to spoil popularity and happiness to soothe their souls bereft of joy.

  264. Shadowfax might have heard who was creating the violence.

    Cooper and the crew he is hiding with by the violence, plus what they have seen today…they think the violence is by the Mubarak supporters. They think it is possible that the police that beat protesters on the days before might be part of the people that are surrounding the protesters in the square.

    Some think Mubarak may want the ciaos, so he will be the only one that can save the country by his not going out now. Also, many people that work for the government do not want this ‘administration’ to get chased out, their income is at stake.

    Last night was peaceful, then this different group came in and all Hell broke lose.

  265. #
    wbboei
    February 2nd, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Mrs Smith: you know I have helped you in the past. Lay off the ad hominum stuff.

    _____________________________

    As I have helped you. Let’s not turn this into a p… contest. OK. (Really a cheap shot, I might add.)

    Firstly, as far as your rebuttal is concerned, you have supplied no supporting evidence as in links supporting your theory. I would appreciate you doing so before we go any further
    ———————————–
    Don’t pull a Bill Richardson on me Mrs Smith. Do not come to me any more for free legal work when you cannot manage your personal affairs.

  266. Sorry for the typos, I am trying to listen to CNN.
    They are going to be on an extra hour tonight since things are getting worse.

    State Dept. sent out a tweet for all American’s that want to leave, to get their asses to the Airport tomorrow when the curfew is lifted.

  267. “… Also, many people that work for the government do not want this ‘administration’ to get chased out, their income is at stake.”
    ==========================
    Correct…the whole country is being shut down. The tourism industry is their life blood and things will soon look a lot worse if the army does not stop this.

  268. Don’t pull a Bill Richardson on me Mrs Smith. Do not come to me any more for free legal work when you cannot manage your personal affairs.
    ___________________

    Get over yourself wobboei. You are not above calling for concrete links to your suppositions as I have been called on myself to provide
    when asked to by posters here.

    Apparently, you have nothing in your quiver to substantiate the convoluted nonsense you posted, so as a last resort, as is a typical lawyers ploy, attack the messenger…. Pffffff!

  269. Shadowfax
    February 2nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    wbb – that kind of personal stuff is uncalled for.
    Knock it off!!!

    ————-
    agreed.

  270. re: state dept getting people out, rumors on twitter say bring cash money – some police are extorting departing foreigners at the airport to get through security,

  271. I had to laugh when there were reports of the Egyptian embassy in Israel preparing for Murabarak’s exile…Israel does a lot of great things, but public realtions is not one of them…Could you imagine how that would look to the “arab street”..

  272. “WikiLeaks Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize”

    ===========================================

    They gave Arafat and Obama one, so nothing surprises me.

  273. Anderson also said it looks like the original protestors that were in the main square are surrounded by the other more violent protestors. Ambulances have been coming into and out of the square taking the wounded (dead?) out, also there are people stitching up people on the sidewalk.
    Those still in the center of the square, some have rags tied on their wounded heads, arms in slings and are trying to stay in the center.

    The army is not helping.

    He also said that original protestors were searched for weapons, but once the second group came in with guns, knives, clubs, etc, they were not getting checked for weapons.

  274. jeswezey
    February 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
    “… struggle for a workers’ government and socialist policies.”

    Yes, I don’t think ’socialist’ is a bad word in Egypt. They may swing that way yet…
    ***********
    SURPRISE!

  275. HillaryforTexas

    re: state dept getting people out, rumors on twitter say bring cash money – some police are extorting departing foreigners at the airport to get through security,

    ————–

    Disgusting!!!!

  276. Opinion
    Obama Is Failing on Egypt
    By Christian Whiton

    Published February 02, 2011
    | FoxNews.com

    Print Email Share Comments (173) Text Size As with other crises during his administration, President Obama and his team know not what to do with the revolution sweeping Egypt and other parts of the Middle East. The White House has gone through some of the motions of reacting, but has not said clearly and convincingly what it wants. That plus the administration’s decision to reach out to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood could lead to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    American interests ought to be clear enough. We should see in the demonstrations in North Africa and elsewhere a nearly unbelievable opportunity to help Middle Easterners replace dictatorships with democracies, while sidelining Islamists. Such a world would be dramatically safer for the U.S. and other free nations.

    One possible reason the White House seems dazed is that according to our Washington foreign policy establishment—including both its Democrat and Republican precincts—the events we are seeing are impossible. The conventional wisdom was that the only viable alternatives to authoritarians like Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak were Islamists, especially the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Now we see people in the streets seeking the same freedom and economic opportunity Americans enjoy. They are not calling for redemption through an Iranian-style Islamist theocracy, not burning American flags, not chanting “Death to Israel.”

    And yet embracing democracy and defining U.S. interests seems impossible for a White House with a habit of approaching crises with a lack of urgency and purpose. When this crisis began, Secretary of State Clinton inexplicably said that Egypt was “stable.” Two days later, Vice President Biden publicly complimented Mubarak and asserted he was not a dictator. Tom Donilon, the National Security Advisor, convened another elaborate process of meetings at the White House. On the heels of those meetings, Secretary Clinton appeared on every major Sunday talk show to declare: “We’re not advocating any specific outcome” in Egypt.

    Really? Does it not matter to us how Egypt is governed? Is the ‘outstretched hand’ of Mr. Obama’s diplomacy equally ready to embrace the grip of a radical Islamist tyranny as that of a democracy that respects individual rights? Asked another way: would it not matter for a new Egypt to be an ally of the Iranian regime versus an ally of the U.S.?

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    But neither of these amounts to a coherent and credible policy. Running for re-election directly was not Mubarak’s plan. As for the notion that the current U.S. government supports democracy, it is lost on no one in the Middle East that Mr. Obama refused to back democrats in Iran when they took to the streets.

    Some will also note Mr. Obama welcomed the dictator of China to the White House just last month for a formal state visit where he was regaled with a musical performance calling for the defeat of U.S. forces in wartime. Still others will recall that Mr. Obama backed the leftist in Honduras who attempted to undermine constitutional democracy. As usual with President Obama on foreign matters, the message is as clear as mud.

    Worse, what little is being done is dangerous and naive. On Monday, the White House said it supports a role for the Muslim Brotherhood in a new Egyptian government. This is supposedly conditioned on the Brotherhood renouncing violence. But this is too clever by half. The same theory of inviting undaunted enemies in from the cold has resulted in a Lebanese government now in the firm embrace of Hezbollah—and Iran. Whether pledged to violence or non-violence, it is unwise to invite into your political system ideologues determined to destroy that system.

    So what should the U.S. do? First and foremost, we should understand and declare that we will press for a real democracy in Egypt—one that separates mosque and state and which acts against Islamists in the region. The Muslim Brotherhood’s strategy seems to be to ride out the protests and take advantage of the aftermath. Despite never approaching majority support in Egypt, the Brotherhood has an advantage given its degree of organization.

    As a result, we need to help make fair elections happen, rather than just hope for them. We should enlist Egyptian-Americans and operatives of both our political parties to help Egyptian democrats organize themselves for elections. We should also urge a system that works against Islamists, and avoids the extremist-empowering model of proportional representation on display in Iraq. We should also replicate this effort in Tunisia and anywhere else where protests create an opportunity for change. To the extent some Middle Easterners prefer not to work with Americans, we should ask political operatives from Central Europe—many of whom were once dissidents themselves—to support their successors in history.

    The changes we see sweeping Egypt and other nations are more significant than any since Middle Easterners evicted European colonizers in the middle of the last century. This holds great opportunity and risk not only for the people involved, but for U.S. security. It is time to get our head in the game.

  277. JanH,
    Now we know for sure that Soros is behind Wikileaks…Soros controls the darn Nobel Peace Prize…this whole leak stuff was meant to take Hillary down and I agree all this Egypt stuff is Obama trying to make Hillary look bad…He is trying to take her down….I just know it!

  278. gonzotx
    February 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Shawdow

    It’s between the two of them, stay out
    —————
    What two, do you mean the two protesting groups?

    As much as I am still angry at Anderson Cooper for numerous reasons, I wish he and the people he is with would get their asses out of there.

    I don’t want to see another Daniel Pearl incident.

  279. “And yet embracing democracy and defining U.S. interests seems impossible for a White House with a habit of approaching crises with a lack of urgency and purpose.”

    ———————

    wbboei,

    This must be driving Hillary nuts.

  280. Reverend Amy is right. They learned is from us alright. Obama, Soros and the color revolution. Starting with that seminar at Columbian Law School where on how to unite youth through social media and overthrow Mubarak in 2011. Three of his campaign people were in attendance.
    ———————————–

    “Why Does He Pop Up On Television After The President Of Egypt Speaks?”
    By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on February 2, 2011 at 5:30 PM in Crime, Current Affairs, Egypt, Islam, President Barack Obama
    So queried Charles Krauthammer after Obama’s short appearance last night following his half hour phone call with President Mubarak. I had the same question. Why? I’ll get to more of Obama’s speech, and the response of Krauthammer to it, but I have another question first.

    Perhaps someone can answer this for me. Here’s the thing. Cairo has over 18 million people. Relatively speaking, the number of protesters in the streets are a small number of the populace there. How is it this small mob is able to force the resignation of their president?

    I should interject at this point that my partner remarked that they learned it from us. As in, they saw how a bunch of union, party, and thugs of all kinds broke laws and rules to make Obama the presidential nominee. Seeing how that worked, they decided to give it a go themselves. Ahem.

    Back to my question, which is rapidly becoming more than one: Is this not a coup? And if so, who is behind this? Who would fill the void if Mubarak stepped down immediately? If it is Mohamad ElBaradei, what experience does he have in running a country? And why has the Muslim Brotherhood been pushing him as a presidential candidate?

    As for the “Brotherhood,” which first said it was not going to involve itself in politics, but now, maybe just a tad (cough, cough), what are we to make of this statement in their Supreme Guide:

    [snip] The current Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Muhammad Badi’, gave a sermon in September 2010 stating that Muslims today “need to understand that the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life.”6 In short, the Muslim Brotherhood remains committed to supporting militant activities in order to advance its political aims. From looking at the biographies of its most prominent graduates, one can immediately understand the organization’s long-term commitment to jihadism…[snip] (Click here to read the biographies.)
    And why is Obama sticking his nose in all of this? I think that is the question Krauthammer wants answered, too:

    Obama’s speech was exceedingly light on substance (what else is new), but yes, why is Obama sticking his nose into this at this point? And has involvement by Obama and the US escalated the violence as was reported this morning that the Egyptian Foreign Minister claimed?

    Breaking News: the Museum in Cairo is now on fire. A protester hurled a molotov cocktail at it, and it is on fire. This is terrible, terrible news…

    Oh, my – what an intense time in Egypt. I have lots of questions, though. Can anyone help make sense of how this relatively small mob has the power to oust their president?

  281. JanH,
    I don’t know, I’m at work and was sooo busy I couldn’t believe it…just got caught up! I’m sure they are still frozen and I just hope my dad who is 88 is still OK…he would freeze easily!

  282. “… struggle for a workers’ government and socialist policies.”

    Yes, I don’t think ’socialist’ is a bad word in Egypt. They may swing that way yet…

    ==================

    That AMerican Thinker piece posted above said many Egyptians wanted to go BACK to the ‘nanny state’ system that had recently changed.

  283. #
    confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    I guess I would to if I had to work like that, which is what they want to do for us here!
    _________________

    Exactly right confloyd. Soros and the NWO want a universal pay scale for all workers in every country in every profession.

  284. re: state dept getting people out, rumors on twitter say bring cash money – some police are extorting departing foreigners at the airport to get through security,

    ====================

    Traditionally shocked, shocked.

  285. wbboei,

    This must be driving Hillary nuts.
    —————————-
    Absolutely right Jan. This colors revolution is not her way of doing business. Beyond that she sees the violence and hatred for America which this has engendered. The terrible problem she must confront is how to i) cover for Obama, ii) avoid being scapegoated by him and the likes of Ben Smith, iii) prevent the loss of life and injury, iv) protect the embassy, v) reassure allies that they are not next on the hit parade, vi) prevent the loss of innocent life, vii) salvage America’s reputation, viii) reassure our ambassadors around the world and deal with their concerns, ix) maintain her own health through this terrible ordeal. I feel for her and the position she is in.

  286. #
    JanH
    February 2nd, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    confloyd,

    Take care of yourself and your dad.
    ____________________

    Ditto that from me, confloyd.

    SF and JH, I agree. 🙂

  287. confloyd
    February 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Anderson is a bot and he is saying what Barry wants him too…I wouldn’t listen to a thing he has to say.
    ———-
    I know that Anderson is a bot, but the reporting is from other reporters and people that are there too.
    Their reporting seems pretty good to me.

  288. Does it seem to anyone else that the world has gone to hell in a handbasket since obama stole the presidency?

    —————————-

    WikiLeaks: al-Qaeda ‘is planning a dirty bomb’

    Al-Qaeda is actively tring to secure nuclear material and recruiting rogue scientists to build a radioactive “dirty” bomb, according to leaked diplomatic documents.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8296956/WikiLeaks-al-Qaeda-is-planning-a-dirty-bomb.html

  289. If you take out the hate towards Hillary and the overbearing revisionist love for Ray-gun, it’s got merits. Not that Ray-gun didn’t have his moments.But he also cut and ran if I remember right: 1983 Beirut barracks bombing –
    The Marines were moved offshore where they could not be targeted. On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the Marines to begin withdrawal from Lebanon .
    ***********

    February 02, 2011
    There’s No Abe Lincoln in the Muslim Hood
    By James Lewis

    Today, Egypt is under assault by the fascist Muslim Brotherhood, which is pushing that old IAEA crook, Mohammed ElBaradei, who lied to the world about the development of Iranian nuclear weapons, for which he received a Nobel Peace Prize.

    This guy’s a jewel.

    ElBaradei may be the figurehead of a new regime, but the Hoods will be in charge. The only “moderate” in sight is the president of Egypt, Mubarak, who is not very moderate, either — except compared to all the others. And, of course, the Useful Idiot Brigade is in full hue and cry, cheering for all the wrong sides.

    When Jimmy Carter brought the first really suicidal Islamic fanatics to power in Tehran in 1979, he was facing exactly the same correlation of forces. And he totally misread them. Andrew Young has written that the Carter State Dept. thought Ayatollah Khomeini was “some kind of saint.” This kind of saint had his hands deep in the blood of innocents long before he took over in Tehran. Then he got into a martyrdom war with Saddam that killed a million people. Does anybody remember that?

    The Carter White House had its head so deep in the cloacal darkness that it made all the wrong decisions. Luckily, our cookies were saved by Ronald Reagan the next time the American people got a chance to vote. After that election, even before Reagan moved into the White House, the bloodstained ayatollah released his American diplomatic hostages, because Khomeini knew a president who was not a Useful Idiot. So he backed off, pronto.

    Carter was helpless in Iran because he felt so guilty about what the CIA did to Mossadegh in 1954, twenty-five years before, when Stalin was alive and the Cold War looked to be going nuclear any day. Jimmy was ably assisted by Zbigniew Brzezinski in sabotaging the world’s sanity and security.

    Today, both of those colluders with unalloyed evil still maintain their innocence before the entire world, even as Ahmadinejad storms toward nuclear weapons. Carter and Brzezinski are highly respected senior statesmen of the ever-gullible left.

    Will Iranian nukes explode by 2012 or 2015? That’s the biggest debate today. And no sane person has any doubts as to where those nukes are going. Thank you, Jimmy!

    As soon A’jad gets his hands on nukes, the world will see a completely unprecedented thing: an ideological suicide regime, like the Heavenly Nipponese Empire in World War II, equipped with nuclear weapons and fifteen-minute long-range missiles. Neither Tojo nor Hitler would have surrendered if he’d had those weapons. Today we would still see Nazis goose-stepping in Berlin and imperial soldiers parading in Tokyo.

    What’s happening in Tehran today is the direct outcome of peace-loving Ol’ Jimmah. Indeed, Egypt looks like a copycat revolution, because the ayatollah showed radical Islamists all over the world how to do it. Iran is the model.

    Remember: What we are seeing in Egypt, Iran, and maybe Tunisia was brought to you by the appeasement faction of the Democratic Party, led by Jimmy and Zbig. Obama seems to be learning the steps to the masochism tango from the Carter wing of the left.

    So — what is Old Hope ‘n’ Change doing? The fact is that we don’t know, because he uses deception as a primary tool of policy. It’s in the Alinsky book of rules. For example: In the age of instant e-mail and the web, why is Hillary Clinton making every single U.S. ambassador waste time flying to Washington, D.C. to have a mass rally at the State Dept.? Can’t they just have a 180-person secure conference call?

    This is bizarre beyond belief, and it has only one major goal: to throw sand in our eyes. No secstate has ever felt the need to do this before. Right in the middle of the biggest foreign policy crisis of this presidency, Hillary is throwing a 180-person ambassadorial party so that the heads of missions in foreign capitals will not keep their fingers on the pulse wherever they are. Instead, they will all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya. Now that’s crisis management.

    Following the Alinsky model, Obama’s public message is always a lie. It has absolutely no bearing on what’s really happening. All we know is what the agitprop media are telling us.

    Here’s the cast of characters according to the agitprops.

    First, Mubarak is the bad guy. That’s identical to the Carter story, in which the shah was the bad guy during the Iranian revolution — because he had been an ally of the United States in the Cold War. And the shah made the fatal mistake of looking weak.

    But in Egypt, it’s Mubarak who has kept the only real Middle East peace treaty alive over thirty years. Blow up the Israel-Egypt peace accords, and you’re right back to a war of all against all in the Middle East.

    (NB: There are no good regimes in the Muslim Middle East, if your standard is Western-style governance. None. We just lost the last decent one in Turkey when the Muslim Bros took over there while our secstate did nothing. So forget that option.)

    Second, the people in the streets are billed as the good guys. I don’t doubt that there are thousands and thousands of well-meaning people in the streets of Cairo, and if they had their druthers, they would elect Thomas Jefferson or maybe Abe Lincoln. I love and honor those people, I’m all for them, and I’m very much afraid that they are going to be shot dead by the Muslim Hoods as soon as they take power.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is the biggest and most powerful gang of Islamofascist reactionaries outside Iran. They are the Bolsheviks — radical killers waiting to wipe out the Useful Idiots as soon as the regime falls. Lenin did the same thing. He let the Mensheviks do the hard work of driving the tsar out of power, and then he brought in his killer battalions from Berlin (!) and elsewhere to bring down the social democrats.

    When the Bros make their move, it will be by deception, disinformation, and, when the time is ripe, with total, ruthless violence. It’s their doctrine, just like it was Communist Party doctrine from Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. It’s a radical recipe, like shish-kabob, and it’s predictable.

    It also means that anything the media tell us today is probably a lie. Example? Ayatollah Khomeini during the Iranian revolution of 1979. Khomeini allowed the liberals and the Mujaheddin Khalq (hard left) to overthrow the shah, and then he had his murder squads take them out. That is why the shah of Iran is now long gone, and Tehran has a throwback tyranny run by a corrupt, venal, and murderous theocracy. We saw their handiwork in the streets of Tehran last year, when the Basij drove their jeeps into the crowds to kill as many civilian demonstrators as possible, randomly, without regard to whom they were killing.

    So whom is Obama betting on? I think we have two reasonable guesses. One is ElBaradei, who could not survive in the chaos of Egypt today without some major power backing him. My guess is that he’s a CIA plant, because that’s a very good reason for Hillary to pull back the U.S. ambassador from Cairo, so there will be no interference from State, and no high-level witnesses when the Egyptian revolution gets through.

    The second guess about Obama is that he’s been talking to the Brotherhood. We know that his good pals Jodie Evans and Bill Ayers have a close alliance with the Bros. That’s who put on the Mavi Marmara agitprop stunt against Israel last year. Jodie and Bill prepared the way by agitating the mobs in Egypt to bring down the barrier between Egypt and Gaza. (Gaza is ruled by Hamas, which is run by…guess who! Yes, it’s the Hoods again!)

    One confirmation of that hypothesis today is that the Bros just came out in favor of ElBaradei. If you think that ElBaradei is really a democratic moderate, then somehow he’s just jumped into bed with the Islamic fascists. How moderate is that?

    The only question is whether ElBaradei is a useful idiot who will be overthrown by the Bros as soon as he takes over — or, much more likely, there has been a longstanding arrangement to make him the figurehead for the radicals.

    ElBaradei is no innocent. He’s a typical U.N. corruptocrat who can bring tears forth from all the Useful Idiots in America and Europe, but who is playing some kind of devious game behind the scenes. ElBaradei is a Sunni Muslim who publicly protected the Iranian nuclear program and, for all I know, the Pakistani nuke program. He’s a sort of a nondenominational nuclear proliferator. And now he’s making hay with the Brothers.

    If we keep in mind that this is a hall of mirrors, and that it is deliberately kept as such by all the players, here is my guess.

    Mubarak is now 82 years old. The planning for this “spontaneous revolution” has been going on for a long, long time, because everybody knows that the handover of power is the time of the greatest weakness in the Muslim Middle East.

    The biggest opposition to Mubarak has been, yes, the Bros again. It’s amazing how those folks keep popping up. (In America, too, as it turns out…)

    Obama has no interest in electoral democracy. Chicago is not a two-party democracy. Two parties just complicate things. Look at all the trouble Obama’s having with the American electorate, and — good grief! — even the Republican Party. Obama’s a radical leftist. He looks like one, he walks like one, talks like one, even has the t-shirt.

    Barack Hussein Obama believes in enlightened despotism, and in the Muslim world he knows that there is only despotism without enlightenment. That’s why he bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia and Hu Jintao, the colonialist killer of Tibet and president of China. And for good measure, Obama bowed to the figurehead emperor of Japan as well. How’s that for a big signal?

    Obama has a Napoleonic personality, as we have seen in his first two years. He does not thrive on the give-and-take of electoral democracy. He’s happier with Hugo Chávez than with the elected government of Colombia. Henry Kissinger is notorious for saying, “Who do you call to talk to Europe?” His point was that Europe is two dozen different countries. Obama is likely to feel the same way about the Middle East. He wants a single phone number to call in every major Arab country, because that’s how you wield power in his world. It’s like Chicago. If you’re Da Mare, you call the alderman for that precinct. No muss, no fuss, no democracy to worry about. Things get too complicated, too uncontrollable, with a genuine democracy.

    Right now, Obama knows whom to call at GM, on Wall Street, at Google, in New York City and Chicago. If he gets ZeroCare, he will also have just one phone number to call to control one sixth of the American economy. Obama believes in top-down control. That’s why he can’t stand the U.S. Constitution.

    Obama has negotiated with Muslim radicals all over the world, including the Taliban in Afghanistan and Ahmadinejad in Iran. He feels comfortable with them, for the same reason that London’s previous mayor, “Red Ken” Livingston, felt comfortable dealing with Muslim radicals in London. It is also the reason for the tactical alliances between the Nazis and the Stalin-era Communists. They understood each other. They are tactical allies until one side takes over, and then each side plans to knock off the other. Until then, they have a red-black alliance because they have a common enemy: us.

    Ayatollah Khomeini took over during the Iranian revolution after killing off the hard left there as well. This revolutionary chess game is so old that it’s practically in all the cookbooks.

    But the bottom line is simple: There are no Abe Lincolns in the Muslim Hood. There are only bad choices.

    A pro-American president like Ronald Reagan would know that instinctively. Reagan would never play footsie with the worst elements in the Muslim world — the biggest fanatics and reactionaries, the ones who find scriptural authority to kill teenage girls for going out with the wrong boys.

    Reagan was an instinctive people person. Obama is an instinctive autocrat. We’ve seen it in two years of domestic policy. Now we see it in foreign policy.

    Pretty soon the American people will get it, too.
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  290. Soros and the NWO want a universal pay scale for all workers in every country in every profession.

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    That wouldn’t be so good for their trading. They need lots of cracks to play in.

  291. JanH

    Does it seem to anyone else that the world has gone to hell in a handbasket since obama stole the presidency?

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    YUP!!

  292. I did not know that Anderson Cooper went to Africa when he was 17 got malaria and had to be hospitalized in Kenya and then he spent two summers as an intern for the CIA..hmmm, hmmm, hmmm
    I wonder if he met Barry there??? They both seem to have CIA connections!

  293. Geez admin! Ever since you posted that clip of “Let my people go,” I can’t get it out of my head…lol…

    We used to sing it as children.

  294. BBC has the best anaylsis yet:

    “The BBC’s Matthew Price says that from Israel’s perspective it has signed two important peace treaties in the region – one with Egypt and one with Jordan. A senior Jordanian official has told him that if Egypt slides into chaos, its 32-year-old peace treaty with Israel might not last long – and that would put Jordan under immense pressure to look again at its own peace treaty. Both Israel and Jordan are watching nervously what happens in Egypt.”
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    There you go- I’ll bet any money Hillary was instrumental in convincing Obama to change plans and support Mubarack. The result of which is a bit more security for Israel and Jordan until a new government can be put in place.

    This is an excellent link to BBC Twitter that isn’t fraught with selective editing.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

  295. Posted over at PUMApac and this is similar to what Anderson Cooper and others are reporting…

    From Nicholas Kristof, who has been in Cairo for the last week:

    “Today President Mubarak seems to have decided to crack down on the democracy movement, using not police or army troops but rather mobs of hoodlums and thugs. I’ve been spending hours on Tahrir today, and it is absurd to think of this as simply “clashes” between two rival groups. The pro-democracy protesters are unarmed and have been peaceful at every step. But the pro-Mubarak thugs are arriving in buses and are armed — and they’re using their weapons

    In my area of Tahrir, the thugs were armed with machetes, straight razors, clubs and stones. And they all had the same chants, the same slogans and the same hostility to journalists. They clearly had been organized and briefed. So the idea that this is some spontaneous outpouring of pro-Mubarak supporters, both in Cairo and in Alexandria, who happen to end up clashing with other side — that is preposterous. It’s difficult to know what is happening, and I’m only one observer, but to me these seem to be organized thugs sent in to crack heads, chase out journalists, intimidate the pro-democracy forces and perhaps create a pretext for an even harsher crackdown.

    I have no idea whether this tactic will work. But the idea that President Mubarak should make the case that he is necessary for Egypt’s stability by unleashing violence and chaos on his nation’s youth — it’s a sad and shameful end to his career. And I hope that the international community will firmly denounce this kind of brutality apparently organized by the government..”

  296. Mrs. Smith
    February 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm

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    Well if that is the case, Mubarak is sure not making things any easier.

  297. Well if that is the case, Mubarak is sure not making things any easier.
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    Having Mubarek in place is serving a better fate then if he were removed when you think about. If he had already left, ElBaradei and the MBs would be claiming power right now and Israel and Jordan would be in the spotlight and their futures very dim at this point.

    For now, there are no desirable instant solutions. Just the lesser of all the evils (temporarily). I believe, Bibi and Abdullah had some input into this decision because Bibi wisely backed Mubarak mentioning Israel’s Peace Treaty w/Egypt when Obama threw him under the bus.

    It wasn’t mentioned who was who when the violence broke out tonight. There are so many factions involved, it was hard to say. The BBC link I posted is showing Mubarak’s supporters are out in force and it most likely are his supporters that are causing the volatility.

  298. Jan–here is some clear thinking on the subject from Larry Johnson at NQ. It is an excerpt from a longer article. Kagan is partner of Bill Kristol and a high priest of neocon doctrine as set forth in their manifesto entitled: The Project for A New American Century. And while the title neocon is thrown around too losely, there is no question that Kagan and Abrams are two of them. With their invitation to the White House now, at this late date, we are seeing the Soros strategy failing again because we cannot get the genie he has released back in the bottle. So where does Obama turn? To the neocons. God help us. This merger represents the worst of all worlds, in my view.
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    It is bad enough that the neocons are still trying to work their magic in the Washington policy world. Making matters worse is that the fools in the Obama national security team at the White House are inviting these clowns to step inside the tent. Elliot Abrams and Robert Kagan, two of the architects of the disaster in Iraq, were invited to the White House yesterday for a conference on Egypt. They turned down the invite but have continued to appear in public and push their view that Mubarak must go.

    So last night Barack Obama appears on TV and announces, “Mubarak must go now.” Obama may not be a neocon at heart but he is certainly willing to carry their water. It appears there are no adults around Obama. He has now put his prestige and that of the United States on the line by insisting that Mubarak must go now. Unless the Army moves to oust Mubarak he is not going anywhere until his term in office ends. U.S. threats to cut financial support to Egypt’s military is self-defeating to the broader U.S. interest of keeping Israel’s western border secure and minimizing the ability of Hamas to infilitrate persons and munitions into Gaza. Obama has painted himself into a corner–if Mubarak goes then odds are high that Egypt will shift quickly to a policy opposed to being a proxy protector for Israel; if Mubarak stays he is a visible reminder that Obama is weak and others in the region will get the message that the U.S. is now a paper tiger. If you think Iran and Saudi Arabia are oblivious to these facts then you are qualified to be another empty headed pundit appearing on Fox or CNN to spout nonsense.

    A popular uprising deposing Mubarak does not ensure that the ensuing regime will want to maintain Egypt’s treaty with Israel. If Egypt and Jordan fall to the will of the majority of their population we are likely to face a future where Israel’s security and survival will genuinely be in question. I for one am not eager for the United States to face the call of intervening militarily in a war to save Israel. Obama’s inept handling of this crisis may very well have set those forces in motion.

    Mubarak sent an unmistakable signal today in Egypt–he ain’t going without a fight. Mubarak supporters have been ordered back into the streets and they will try to take it back by force. The key in all of this remains the Army. If they are reasonably confident that Mubarak will leave as promised come the fall they are likely to back his play and allow the anti-Mubarak protestors to be forcibly beat down. If they doubt Mubarak they will refuse to support the crackdown and will move to expedite Mubarak’s departure. This is still in play and remains volatile. Regardless of outcome the events in Egypt have exposed Obama as a paper tiger who has no vision for the region and only acts with an eye to his domestic politcal audience. Just as Iran sowed the seeds of Jimmy Carter’s one term Presidency, Egypt has become Obama’s Iran moment.

  299. The BBC link I posted is showing Mubarak’s supporters are out in force and it most likely are his supporters that are causing the volatility.

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    Both Fox and CNN are saying the same thing.

  300. Crap. Reports on CNN that more and more of the “opposition” are guys shouting “jihad jihad!” and “Prepare for your death”. They’ve taken at least one Mubarak supporter prisoner – dragging him over into some sort of holding area they’ve set up.

    Reporters are noting the change in tone and makeup of the crowds. Not at all the same sort of people who had been peacefully demonstrating all week. This is turning into a battle of violent professional agitators on both sides, frightening all the “regular” people away.

    I pretty much despise the Mubarek goons and the jihadist goons equally, so this is pretty fucking depressing.

  301. Today President Mubarak seems to have decided to crack down on the democracy movement . . .
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    Is that really what this is–a democracy movement? And even if it is what kind of democracy does it aim to create? Big media does not dwell on those questions. Someone holds up a sign that says democracy now, and big media pronounces it as a democracy movement and characterizes Mubarak as evil incarnate who must step down immediately, forgetting the fact that he is the successor to Sadat and made treaties with Israel when other Arab states refused to do so. Egypt is the fulcrum of any peace calculations in the middle east, and to lose them as an ally through misguided strategic moves which have been undertaken by Obama and his minions is madness.

  302. If Bush 41 made the phone call some say he did, it does not look like it had much effect does it? More like a hail Mary after the fact.

  303. should interject at this point that my partner remarked that they learned it from us. As in, they saw how a bunch of union, party, and thugs of all kinds broke laws and rules to make Obama the presidential nominee. Seeing how that worked, they decided to give it a go themselves.

    I wish most people knew about Obama’s cheating, but I find they don’t, so I think it’s even less likely that someone in another country would know. Most people really don’t follow elections that closely, and as we all know, the MSM certainly didn’t cover the cheating. Sadly, I think we’re in a minority.

  304. Well I made it home, the pipes are still frozen and my bedroom is about 30 degrees…I’m going to bed…between this cold front, Egypt, all the sick people I took care of tonight Im exhausted! I guess the sun will rise in the morning, I hope and unthaw my pipes. I think I’m going to the hotel, I’m sick of this!

  305. On another blog, someone asked why Bambi popped up when he did and said the wrong thing. The answer set to music was this:

  306. @hadeelalsh: 2 visiting NYT journos been arrested ….if its Maureen Dowd, please keep her, we dont want her back.

  307. At last- the Muslim Brotherhood is under scrutiny. Yes, BushI did call Mubarek, we assumed he called him asking him to resign. However, we know the bad blood between Soros and the Bushes goes back a long way. Soros invested millions to defeat Bush2 in 2004 and failed. This would be a most opportune time for Republicans to cut loose from George Soros. They have what they wanted in the way of passed legislation- Do they really need Obama anymore? I don’t think so- at this point, he’s disposable. (Go Hillary)

    The crafty old man, Bush41, may have just asked Mubarak to stay and agreed with his decision to leave in September after the elections.

    BTW- Here is the story and link to Bush’s early phone call to Mubarak yesterday morning.

    “Former President George Bush, whose ties to Mr. Mubarak were cemented by the Egyptian leader’s commitment to supply Arab troops during the Persian Gulf war in 1991, called Mr. Mubarak, on his own initiative, to discuss the crisis, officials said. It was not clear what Mr. Bush told Mr. Mubarak”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/world/middleeast/02transition.html
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    U.S. reexamining its relationship with Muslim Brotherhood opposition group

    As it braces for the likelihood of a new ruler in Egypt, the U.S. government is rapidly reassessing its tenuous relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition movement whose fundamentalist ideology has long been a source of distrust in Washington.

    Although the group has played a secondary role in the swelling protests that are threatening to topple President Hosni Mubarak, U.S. officials have acknowledged the political reality that the Muslim Brotherhood is poised to assume at least a share of power should Egypt hold free and fair elections in the coming months.

    On Monday, in what analysts said was a clear reference to the Brotherhood, the White House said a new government in Egypt should “include a whole host of important non-secular actors.”

    The move drew the skepticism of some U.S. officials who have argued that the White House should embrace opposition groups that are more likely to support a democratic government in Egypt, rather than one dedicated to the establishment of religious law.

    It also marked a change from previous days, when Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and other officials expressed concern that the uprising in Egypt could shift power to an Islamist government much like the one in Iran, where ayatollah-led factions elbowed aside other groups to seize control of the country in 1979.

    Officially, the U.S. government has long shunned the Muslim Brotherhood because of doubts about its stated commitment to non-violence and democratic principles. For years, however, U.S. officials have engaged in back-channel talks with Egyptian members of the movement in recognition of its substantial popular support.

    The unofficial contacts have taken place sporadically since the 1990s but became more frequent after members of the Brotherhood were elected to the Egyptian Parliament in 2005. Afterward, U.S. diplomats and lawmakers held several meetings with Brotherhood leaders, including at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

    U.S. officials justified the meetings by saying they were merely speaking with duly elected members of the Egyptian legislature.

    “I do think that having contacts with the Muslim Brotherhood was not a bad idea,” said Robert Malley, a Clinton administration official who directs the Middle East and North Africa program for the International Crisis Group. “They are an important constituency in Egypt. They’re very likely to play a role in any future arrangements there.”

    Some U.S. officials and analysts have long urged the State Department to reach out even further to the Brotherhood.

    “If we are truly going to engage with the 99 percent of Muslims who do not support terrorism or violence, then we’ve got to engage indigenous groups, including Islamic political parties,” said Emile Nakhleh, a former CIA official who directed the agency’s political Islam analysis program.

    Although the Brotherhood is Egypt’s best-organized opposition group, with an active charitable arm that dispenses social services nationwide, Nakhleh said it would not necessarily win a majority of votes in an open election. “They would be a hefty minority,” he said, predicting that it would receive support from about 25 to 30 percent of the Egyptian population.

    Pg 2

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020206550_2.html

  308. AP correspondent in Egypt: Reports are saying military is taking journalists into ‘protective custody’

    So thats what they are calling shutting up the media now.

  309. Our own media has been shut up. There weren’t any reports on mainstream media last night announcing Obama’s change of heart supporting Mubarak’s retaining the presidency until a new government could be formed either.

    BTW, thanx, moon. I believe it was you that gave us the heads up yesterday about Bush1s 3am phone call to Mubarak.

  310. “… struggle for a workers’ government and socialist policies.”

    I don’t think ’socialist’ is a bad word in Egypt. They may swing that way yet…

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    turndown: “That AMerican Thinker piece posted above said many Egyptians wanted to go BACK to the ‘nanny state’ system that had recently changed.”

    It’s an encouraging sign. The ‘nanny state’ concept is just a mild American form for deriding socialism, though. I think a lot of the current demonstrators want a government that is on their side, that is, on the side of the little guy, ie socialist. The Mubarak state is generally viewed as ingrained kleptocracy.

  311. confloyd, let us know how you’re doing when you can. Frozen pipes are one of the biggest headaches a homeowner can have. I’ve been there and done that. Our pipes in the downstairs MIL apt got frozen a few years ago and flooded the entire basement with 4″ of water on Super Bowl Sunday. Finding a plumber on Super Bowl Sunday to locate the shut off was near impossible. Thankfully a neighbor with handy man skills found the magic lever for the water shut off. Sometimes angels appear when you desperately need help.

  312. TG The so far undisclosed ulterior motives of the Muslim Brotherhood
    are coming to light.
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    WorldMuslim Brotherhood wants end to Egypt-Israeli peace deal

    Egypt’s banned Muslim Brotherhood movement has unveiled its plans to scrap a peace treaty with Israel if it comes to power, a deputy leader said in the interview with NHK TV.

    Rashad al-Bayoumi said the peace treaty with Israel will be abolished after a provisional government is formed by the movement and other Egypt’s opposition parties.

    “After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel,” al-Bayoumi said.

    Egypt was the first Arab country to officially recognize Israel and sign a peace agreement with the Israeli government in 1979. It is also a major mediator of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    The Muslim Brotherhood has recently come to light amid mass anti-government protests in Egypt. Some media voiced concerns that the banned Islamic movement could eventually take power in the riot-hit Arab country.

    The deeply conservative Islamic movement, which wants to move Egypt from secularism and return to the rules of the Quran, failed to win a single seat in the 2010 Egyptian parliamentary election.

    The Muslim Brotherhood joined the anti-government protests in Egypt last week. The unrest, seen by many analysts as a major threat to repressive governments in the region, has already claimed the lives of at least 300 people and injured several thousand.

    http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html

  313. Disclaimer – I am not an expert on teh ME, ths is just my gut feeling:
    Mubarak has to go, at this point, the USA keeping him there, or being seen to prop up his regime, will only further unrest in the neighboring countries and increase the legitimacy of the radical islamic elements.
    The delicate question is how to help make sure this goes peacefully without letting the wolves rule.
    I am pretty sure that behind the scenes the USA & EU is doing its best to twist Mub’s arm into leaving while the going is good.
    My guess is they are going to ask the VP to be interim President until Sept elections.

  314. I want to see the guy with the saucepan on his head again. They were interviewing a guy earlier on Al Jazeera, i wet myself laughing, he had a saucepan on his head tied on with pink coat string.

    Ah well, must be better than a rock in the head.

  315. votermom, nail on head, whether its enough now, is anybodys guess, this should have been days ago, its getting a bit late now.

  316. *whether its enough now,*
    moononpluto, exactly. The longer he hangs on the more radicalized the crowd will get. He should leave now while they might still be satisfied with simply him leaving and an orderly transition is possible. But like all dictators it’s all about him and he doesn’t really care if Egypt goes down with him. Maybe his family can shake sense into him…

  317. “The so far undisclosed ulterior motives of the Muslim Brotherhood
    are coming to light.”

    The Muslim Brotherhood is a big bunch of people, necessarily made up of people with a lot of different motives. If someone who belongs to this entity has plans for the Egypt-Israeli treaty, that doesn’t necessarily mean he wants to go to war with Israel. The treaty is not a particularly equitable one for Egypt.

    Likewise, people screaming “jihad” in the streets does not mean war with Israel either. Jihad is now a scare word for us. If you want, I can go into this word’s meaning for the muslims I have known. I remember in my childhood singing “Onward Christian soldiers, onward as to war…” and no one got upset about it. Considering that I was a very pacifistic type child, I had to have the words explained to me. We should be more in a listening mode as we watch the rising discontent in Egypt and elsewhere.

  318. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15

    Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.

    ………………………….

    He’s on a downward drop again.

  319. Disclaimer – I am not an expert on teh ME, ths is just my gut feeling:
    Mubarak has to go, at this point, the USA keeping him there, or being seen to prop up his regime, will only further unrest in the neighboring countries and increase the legitimacy of the radical islamic elements.
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    It is a mess. The Egyptian military will end up making the call. You say he must go now. If we force him to go now with whatever leverage we have and he stays then we look impotent. If we force him to go now and he does go then we look complicit. And then we must also consider what replaces him. Obama’s instinct is to treat this entire thing as a campaign issue, and run his mouth on it. He was severely criticized for telling Mubarak he must go. That may play well to the Arab street for now, but it plays hell with our allies who marvel at how quickly he will abandon an ally. It might have had entirely different effect had he supported Mubark’s promise to step down a few months from now in an orderly manner. People are telling Obama to shut the fuck up, and I think that is a real good idea. He does not know what to do so he turns to the neocons for guidance, and they refuse to come to the White House. He gets old man Bush to make a phone call which appears to have little effect. And behind all his posturing and pontificating you have the hard truth of his complicity in this thing from the beginning. I expect big media will hide most of this from the public view and look for a way to make him the hero of this entire sordid affair. But he cannot hide this: http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/01/30/the-american-lefts-role-in-leading-mid-east-regime-change/

  320. http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/02/game_over_the_chance_for_democracy_in_egypt_is_lost

    Did Mubarek outsmart Obama?

    While much of American media has termed the events unfolding in Egypt today as “clashes between pro-government and opposition groups,” this is not in fact what’s happening on the street. The so-called “pro-government” forces are actually Mubarak’s cleverly orchestrated goon squads dressed up as pro-Mubarak demonstrators to attack the protesters in Midan Tahrir, with the Army appearing to be a neutral force. The opposition, largely cognizant of the dirty game being played against it, nevertheless has had little choice but to call for protection against the regime’s thugs by the regime itself, i.e., the military. And so Mubarak begins to show us just how clever and experienced he truly is. The game is, thus, more or less over.

    The threat to the military’s control of the Egyptian political system is passing. Millions of demonstrators in the street have not broken the chain of command over which President Mubarak presides. Paradoxically the popular uprising has even ensured that the presidential succession will not only be engineered by the military, but that an officer will succeed Mubarak. The only possible civilian candidate, Gamal Mubarak, has been chased into exile, thereby clearing the path for the new vice president, Gen. Omar Suleiman. The military high command, which under no circumstances would submit to rule by civilians rooted in a representative system, can now breathe much more easily than a few days ago. It can neutralize any further political pressure from below by organizing Hosni Mubarak’s exile, but that may well be unnecessary.

    The president and the military, have, in sum, outsmarted the opposition and, for that matter, the Obama administration. They skillfully retained the acceptability and even popularity of the Army, while instilling widespread fear and anxiety in the population and an accompanying longing for a return to normalcy. When it became clear last week that the Ministry of Interior’s crowd-control forces were adding to rather than containing the popular upsurge, they were suddenly and mysteriously removed from the street. Simultaneously, by releasing a symbolic few prisoners from jail; by having plainclothes Ministry of Interior thugs engage in some vandalism and looting (probably including that in the Egyptian National Museum); and by extensively portraying on government television an alleged widespread breakdown of law and order, the regime cleverly elicited the population’s desire for security. While some of that desire was filled by vigilante action, it remained clear that the military was looked to as the real protector of personal security and the nation as a whole. Army units in the streets were under clear orders to show their sympathy with the people.

  321. So many articles of interest posted last night.

    I will say one think, I think this Egypt has indeed become Obama’s Iran moment…but ten times worse in fallout.

  322. If there are yells of “Jihad” going through the crowds, then you can be sure those doing the yelling are plants from the brotherhood, hamas, hesbolah and Iran’s despot.

  323. jeswezey
    February 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am
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    The Israelis may have a different view. Can you tell us anything concrete about this organization. For example, how many members does it have, what is its organizational mission, does it have a leadership structure in place–or is it a loose confederation guided merely by general principles like the tea parties, what ties does it have if any to Hamas, what ties does it have to Iran, has it been tied to any overt acts of violence, does it maintain a stockpile of weapons, thing like that. We need to develop a deeper understanding of that organization before we can evaluate whether it constitutes a threat, and given the fact that Muslims are a significant component of the European population and Obama has plans to bring many of them over here these are not frivoulous questions. One of my close friends is Muslim and I am not sure how he views the Muslim Brotherhood. He is Iranian and he detests the people running Iran. But too often in the past the United States has underestimated these sorts of movements, thought they would bring democracy and ended up with repressive regimes which are hostile to our interests–Cuba and Iran being two examples of our myopia. For those reasons, specificity is critical.

    For starters, take a look at this: http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/muslim_brotherhood.htm . As you can see, it is a little more than Onward Christian Soldiers.

  324. A 4th year university student’s opinion…to be taken with a grain of salt…lol…

    Political Columnist: Obama should consider Clinton coalition in 2012

    By jpoulin
    February 2, 2011

    Somewhere in CNN headquarters, John King is looking at his “Magic Map” of the 2012 Electoral College, attempting to comprehend the vastly different story it is conveying compared to the one from 2008.

    In an interview this past October, The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward was asked about the possibility of Hillary Clinton becoming the Democratic Party [1] vice presidential nominee. Woodward declared the possibility was “on the table” and went on to say, “President Obama needs some of the women, Latinos, retirees that Clinton did so well with during the 2008 primaries.”

    This is something Obama may need to consider in light of the new electoral problems he now faces.

    In 2008, Obama needed to focus a lot of his attention on establishing a presidential image and building his foreign policy credentials. Obama knew where he was weak and picked Joe Biden to address his vulnerabilities. Biden provided balance to the ticket — the senator from Delaware was a steady hand at the tiller with great foreign policy credentials.

    Even though Biden was somewhat of a liability on the campaign trail, he provided the electorate a familiar, trustworthy face voters ultimately went for. But that was 2008, and the political animal has inevitably evolved over the last three years.

    In the upcoming election, Obama does not have to look presidential anymore — he is presidential. The experience argument is dead and Biden can no longer help him there. What the president does have to worry about are those white, middle-aged, blue-collar voters in lunch-pail cities across America such as Wilkes-Barrel, Pa., Columbus, Ohio, and Green Bay, Wis. These people are still skeptical of health care reform and too many of them remain jobless.

    These were also the voters Hillary championed in the 2008 Democratic Primary. The consideration of an appealing vice presidential candidate like Hillary should be natural. She won blue-collar, Luzerne County in Pennsylvania with 75 percent to Obama’s 25 percent. Such “Reagan Democrats [2]” were a problem in the 2008 primary for Obama and they could become a problem in the 2012 general election. Though Biden does a decent job courting these votes, nobody garners the blue-collar ballot better than Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Presidential candidates can never lose sight of the 270 electoral votes they need in order to win the presidency. Clinton can help the president persuade the skeptical states he needs for another win, like Ohio where his favorable rating is hovering around 40 percent. Five incumbent democrats lost re-election in 2010 in Ohio as well.

    Ohio decided the 2004 election. No Republican has ever won the presidency without it. Clinton is also popular in Pennsylvania, where she beat Obama everywhere except in Philadelphia and a few suburbs. Pennsylvania is going to be a huge prize in 2012. Clinton polls strongly in Florida, Arizona and Michigan, which are all undoubtedly going to be contested and valuable.

    Throughout 2008, Clinton loved to claim Obama would have trouble in battleground states. The democratic wave in 2008 pushed Obama over the top, but how he would do in a non-wave election is questionable at best. Thus, hiring Hillary may give Obama that extra push back up to the surface in the 2012 campaign.

    According to recent polls, almost 70 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Clinton. She is a deft campaigner and — right or wrong — people seem to think she and Bill are inseparable entities. The issue on everyone’s mind right now is still the economy. The Clintons are masters of pocketbook issues.

    This past fall, every Democrat running for office was begging Bill Clinton to campaign for them. Furthermore, it’s no secret Republicans [3] despise talking about Bill Clinton’s record. As hard as they try, they still can’t find an effective way to take credit for the Clinton years.

    Hillary has said she is not interested in the vice presidency. I am not crossing my fingers either, but if Team Obama deems they are still going to have trouble with those Reagan Democrats, they may not have any choice.

    http://mainecampus.com/2011/02/02/political-columnist-obama-should-consider-clinton-coalition-in-2012/print/

  325. So many articles of interest posted last night.

    I will say one think, I think this Egypt has indeed become Obama’s Iran moment…but ten times worse in fallout.
    ————————
    Yes. He has painted himself into a corner. The public may not know it because big media will hide the truth. But sure as god made little green apples, the elites know it, and I rather suspect the recriminations within their group are flying right about now. The genie is out of the bottle. The problem now is how do you get it back it. It can be done, but Obama needs to shut up and we need to be good listeners. If I am right about that, it may affect his plans for 2012. Let us hope so,

  326. When all the situation required was a campaign speech and he had the media wind at his back Obama was at the heighth of his powers and his poll numbers went through the roof so to speak. Right now the situation requires governing, and he lacks experience or aptitude for that sort of thing. Thus,he is at sea. This is a very vulnerable moment for him, and those of us who do not believe the kingdom of god will be at hand if he steals a second term, really do need to make the most of it before he can find some way to call this a victory. In short, right now, we need to win the messaging war. So pour it on.

  327. JanH: “A 4th year university student’s opinion…to be taken with a grain of salt…lol…”

    Exactly, a grain of salt, which is why I didn’t post that article myself. The worst part is, the “Maine Campus” where it appeared promises to have this guy’s articles up regularly.

    But from another perspective, it’s enlightening and a little encouraging to see that college kids might be getting a more balanced view of the Clinton vs Obama thing than they had in 2008. The kid gives Hillary a lot of credit, thinking she might be able to cancel out Obama’s mishaps and shortcomings.

  328. I heard the make-believe reporter Anderson Cooper was attacked by a mob in Cairo because he refused to wear the hijab. He was mistaken for a very unattractive female.

  329. Al Jazeera breaking: AFP: Foreigner dies in Meydan Tahrir…..now what foreigner would be there…code pink?

  330. wbboei: “Can you tell us anything concrete about this organization. For example, how many members does it have, what is its organizational mission, does it have a leadership structure in place–or is it a loose confederation guided merely by general principles like the tea parties…”

    From what I can tell, you hit it right on the nose with the analogy to the tea parties. The Muslim Brotherhood is big, international in fact, but doesn’t seem to have any centralized leadership with a definable agenda except basically conservative Islam. It’s basically ‘structured’ like Islam itself, ie not structured very much at all. That’s why it’s so hard to tell why they would choose ElBaradei as their spokesman, and why it’s easy to think they want a theocracy. Muslims generally don’t appreciate democracy; but I have my own misgivings about majority rule, and they coincide with the misgivings of muslims. That doesn’t mean I want a theocracy. So it all boils down to: The Muslim Brotherhood is a nebula impossible to grasp.

  331. The iraqis are leaving Cairo, they say its safer to be in Baghdad.

    Bet you dont hear that every day, do you.

  332. Yes if they have Dowd, lets hope they keep her and put her in one of the hijabs when this is all over with, LOL! That’s funny Moon.

    Safer in Bagdad, LOL! That’s bad!

  333. Yep. Obama is taking all this really seriously.

    Jennifer Lopez headed to the White House

    (CNN) – Celebrity guests will visit the White House Sunday to watch the Super Bowl.

    “American Idol” judge Jennifer Lopez and her Grammy award winning husband, singer Marc Anthony, will be at the White House with the first family for the football event, CNN confirmed with her publicist.

    In an interview on Extra Wednesday Lopez said she “can’t believe it.”

    “I don’t know, maybe that’s why I don’t want to talk about it. I don’t even feel like it’s real,” Lopez said.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/03/jennifer-lopez-headed-to-the-whie-house/

  334. *In an interview on Extra Wednesday Lopez said she “can’t believe it.”*

    Neither can I!
    (Btw I love JLo, but Barry is hopeless. Gawd.)

  335. jeswezey
    February 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am
    ******
    The Muslim Brotherhood is hardly a Pacifist movement. They are Terrorist

  336. jbstonesfan,

    I agree.
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    Huckabee: Anxiety in Israel Over Egypt Crisis And U.S. Response

    By Whitney Ksiazek | February 03, 2011

    In the midst of the evolving crisis in Egypt, former Arkansas governor and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee traveled to Israel this week to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “They feel Israel is alone,” Huckabee, who is a FOX News contributor told Greta Van Susteren Wednesday. “Their attitude here on the streets of Israel, in the newspapers of Israel, and in many quarters of government is that Israel believes that if something happens to them, they are completely on their own.”

    Huckabee said that in his meetings with a number of Israeli officials, there was a feeling of shock as they continue to watch events unfold in Egypt.

    As the first country to sign a peace treaty with the Jewish state, Egypt has been one of Israel’s closest allies in the region. But some worry that the dismantling of the current regime could endanger the peace in the region. And those fears are becoming heightened as the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s largest opposition and historically anti-Israel group, is emboldened in the chaos. On Wednesday, reports surfaced that the group would abolish the peace treaty with Israel.

    But others in Israel are worried about what the lack of United States support says to other Arab nations that have broken ranks to make peace with Israel.

    “The United States’ deafening silence toward not even acknowledging any role that he [Mubarak] may have played in a peaceful border, between Egypt and Israel, is what’s of great concern,” Huckabee explained.

    While the Israelis recognize the Egyptian president’s “heavy handed” policies have created the public backlash, they are uneasy about the message that the U.S. reaction is sending.

    “If something happens to them, they are completely on their own,” Huckabee said. “And they cannot and should not depend upon the United States, because they just don’t have a confidence that the U.S. will stand with them.”

    http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/02/03/huckabee-anxiety-israel-over-egypt-crisis-and-us-response

  337. Huckabee is a very likeable, albeit , unelectable figure(he would get my vote simply for the fact he pardoned Keith Richards for a 1975 arrest in Arkansas :)).

  338. I also like Huckabee…he believes in safety nets too! I would vote for him for no other reason is his guitar playing ability…and he can tell a good story….I guess all those Arkansas politicians can do that…and he is also very nice to the Clinton’s.

  339. Folks, I am sick of frozen pipes and cold weather…I should move further South…I don’t know how you all do it!

  340. -30 here.

    ….

    (Not really, I just wanted to make confloyd feel better.)
    It’s actually a cold 40something, but will warm up this weekend.)

  341. Lovely. This is “the left” that the public gets to see. Talking about torture for conservative judges and “stringing up” Clarence Thomas or “sending him back to the fields”.

    Is it any wonder that we are losing ground? Yes, the videographer goaded them. But the words came out of THEIR mouths, not his. It is completely understandable that the american people are beginning by and large to want nothing to do with the left. Because regardless of the issues, they are behaving like hateful, arrogant, hypocritical assholes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E3ctO7fdrcc

  342. Shadow, JBstonesfan,
    I never KNEW you two were sadistic….LOL! Well its about 20 something here and I have just put on two pans of water on the stove to boil so I can take a spit bath. I have exercised both days, so I don’t think today my cologne will cover up the BO again today…LOL! Of coarse last night all I had were folks strung out on alcohol, coke, and maryjane….it seems that some folks enjoy life to the fullest and the rest of us are worker bees….SUX when you figure this out…LOL!

  343. JanH,
    Good Grief, this man can’t even watch the freaking Stupid Bowl without trying to suck in some ethnic group for votes….DISGUSTING!

    Well he should just have to watch with sleeveless…I bet she’s a load of fun on SuperBowl Sunday! She and Bo prolly fist bump each other everytime a black man makes a play and boo’s when the white guys do…you wanna bet me???

  344. Janh,
    Why don’t he invite some rednecks in pickup trucks with confederate flags on the back window to the WH for the SuperBowl….at least he’d be called non-partison then…LOL!

  345. For those interested, don’t forget that Bill Clinton is being interviewed tomorrow night on Barbara Walters about heart and health issues.

  346. Geez, I had forgotten how much fun and relaxing it is to take a spit bath…LOL! Camping out in your own home is sooo much fun!

    You know just the other day I wishing for a winter vacation….I need to quit wishing for this crap! I really wanted to go to the snow and not have it come to me…LOL!

    JanH, My poor little dad is hanging in there…I keep him at home in the winter away from all the germs of Wal-mart and the Lumbar yard. It’s surprising but he hasn’t been sick since I’ve instituted those new rules in the winter!

  347. so thats why he’s been kidnapping reporters……

    tweet from Christiane Amanpour : Just spent 20 minutes interviewing President Mubarak at the palace. Details to come.

  348. Al Jazeera just said that the reason they are not broadcasting live, new photos today like they have been is that their camera equipment was confiscated by the Egyptian authorities and at night the film they have is too grainy without lights. They don’t give out their reporters names today as they report to protect them.

    Sounds like Egypt is trying contain the drama from a blackout.

    Everyone is saying this is the lull before the storm on Friday.

  349. The ‘nanny state’ concept is just a mild American form for deriding socialism, though. I think a lot of the current demonstrators want a government that is on their side, that is, on the side of the little guy, ie socialist.

    ====================

    That would make sense. I remember a few years ago, someone from Italy said that over there, ‘communist’ just means any faction who would allow divorce and abortion, ie any non-Catholic faction.

  350. jeswezey
    February 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    ================

    Thanks for good sense. We have lots of ‘crusades’ too. We even used to have “Kill a Commie for Christ” and “Nuke them all, let God sort them out.”

  351. This morning, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton addressed the first-ever conference of all the U.S. ambassadors posted around the world.

    They gathered together in Washington.

    She focused on how embassies have to work in the 21st century, telling the mission chiefs from the world over that this is a critical time for global leadership.

    “As we’ve seen what’s going on in today’s recent events in Egypt and certainly that broader region, reminds us all how crucial it is to have top notch leadership on the ground, and how quickly that ground can shift under our feet. It is by no means 100% clear that social media technology is going to make things better, but one thing we know for sure: It’s going to change things,” said the Secretary of State.

    Clinton adds if we’re not driving a message and responding as effectively as we can, we’re going to be left behind.

  352. Egypt’s banned Muslim Brotherhood movement has unveiled its plans to scrap a peace treaty with Israel if it comes to power, a deputy leader said in an interview with NHK TV.

    Rashad al-Bayoumi said the peace treaty with Israel will be abolished after a provisional government is formed by the movement and other Egypt’s opposition parties.
    “After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel,” al-Bayoumi said.
    Egypt was the first Arab country to officially recognize Israel and sign a peace agreement with the Israeli government in 1979. It is also a major mediator of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    The Muslim Brotherhood has recently come to light amid mass anti-government protests in Egypt. Some media voiced concerns that the banned Islamic movement could eventually take power in the riot-hit Arab country.
    The deeply conservative Islamic movement, which wants to move Egypt from secularism and return to the rules of the Quran, failed to win a single seat in the 2010 Egyptian parliamentary election.

    The Muslim Brotherhood joined the anti-government protests in Egypt last week. The unrest, seen by many analysts as a major threat to repressive governments in the region, has already claimed the lives of at least 300 people and injured several thousand.

    TOKYO, February 3 (RIA Novosti)

  353. gonzotx
    February 3rd, 2011 at 2:56 pm
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    And this is the group that obama wants to embrace?

    Israel has played “David to Goliath” many times in past history and triumphed against all odds. It will happen again.

  354. Bitch Slap……

    Mubarak to President Obama “you don’t understand the Egyptian culture and what would happen if I step down now.” Via ABC

    Ouch.

  355. O/T
    Just heard from Albuquerque cousin; right now it’s colder there than in the Poconos, and: Albuquerque Mayor Richard Berry is asking residents to turn their thermostats down to help the state curb its current natural gas shortage. Berry is asking residents to turn their thermostats down 10 degrees and wear heavier clothing to ease the state’s gas problems. Around 7 a.m. Thursday, the city of Albuquerque was notified of statewide gas pressure issues, Berry said. The gas company said there was a potential to have 10,000-20,000 homes without gas because of the pressure issues. Several other communities such as Bernalillo, Taos, Red River, Questa, Truth or Consequences, and Silver City have experienced gas outages already.
    http://www.koat.com/r/26731189/detail.html

  356. #
    JanH
    February 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Israel has played “David to Goliath” many times in past history and triumphed against all odds. It will happen again.
    _____________________

    Precisely! They laughed and mocked David and lived to regret it.

  357. Moroccan government fears outbreak of mass protests
    By Alejandro López
    3 February 2011

    As millions of people march in Egyptian cities and protests continue in Tunisia after the ouster of former dictator Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, the Moroccan monarchy fears that it may be the next to face mass protests.

    According to reports on Spanish public television, Moroccan troops are being sent towards major Moroccan cities, including Casablanca and Rabat, from their bases in the Western Sahara. The Moroccan embassy in Madrid denounced this report.
    (snip)

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/feb2011/moro-f03.shtml

  358. Wow, local Los Angeles news program just said: “Now for our top story, we go to Europe where Egypt is in crisis”!

    Epic Fail. Can we disavow California as dumbasses.

  359. Mubarak refuses to say if Obama betrayed him.

    Chrstiane Amanpour interviewed Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak:

    “While he described President Obama as a very good man, he wavered when I asked him if hour felt the U.S. had betrayed him. When I asked him how he responded to the United States’ veiled calls for him to step aside sooner rather than later, he said he told President Obama ‘you don’t understand the Egyptian culture and what would happen if I step down now.'”

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/02/03/mubarak_says_obama_doesnt_understand.html

    Obama has lost his friend.

  360. Hillary is suppose to be coming on Shepherd Smith…I hope I get to see it before I leave for work!

    What pisses me off, is that the revolution was bigger in Iran and this WH did nothing…but they want the MB to take over the Egypt…so their involved!

  361. Mrs. Smith,
    I have read so many stories of the “yom kipper war” that it would make your hair stand on end. Israel has the power!

  362. Moon

    Can we disavow California as dumbasses.

    ——-
    No you can’t, all us Californian’s are not dumbasses.
    Where the Hell do you live so I can rag on your state? 😉

  363. U.S. Sec of State Clinton calls detention of journalists ‘unacceptable’ and violation of international norms

  364. moononpluto
    February 3rd, 2011 at 3:30 pm
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    That comment is spooky. If it were only Egyptian Culture that Messiah Obama does not understand. It would be easier to speak of what little he does understand, than to fathom the vast universe of things which never crosses his field of vision. Big media assured us that spending a year with his alleged grandmother in Kenya gave him a deep understanding of other cultures which made him uniquely equipped to understand all aspects of foreign relation, and wasn’t that a breath of fresh air? At the same time, big media was utterly dismissive of Hillary’s experience as First Lady which consisted of going to foreign counties and visiting their leaders and talking about foreign policy, rather than sitting around in a little grass shack learning to cook rodents over an open fire. Big media and fired White House Counsel Craig disparaged her experience as holding tea parties and elevated his as learning the customs of a tribal village, and what is the world but a series of tribal villages. If you pursue that argument to the limits of its logic, then anyone who has lived in a tribal village is qualified to be president by reason of that fact. Only now we find out that despite all this learning and on the ground experience he does not understand Egyptian Culture. And if he does not understand that, which is a trifle more important than Kenyan culture then one might infer that he does not no much about anything, and it was all a big media hoax.

  365. Moon,
    I am sure she realizes that Obama is trying to hang some wrong statement on her, so she isn’t going to say much….he is definitely wanting to hang her for something!

    She looked good today in Power Red! I didn’t see her at first, you all said she looked mad!

  366. You can guarantee there were conditions Amanpour got this interview and certain stuff she could not ask about, you can bet, Mubarak sent that message deliberately to Obama that Obama is clueless and wavering on the US betraying him. That was a personal smack delivered via a US network.

  367. {MB} failed to win a single seat in the 2010 Egyptian parliamentary election.

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    Well, that’s encouraging. Assuming that election was honest.

  368. {MB} failed to win a single seat in the 2010 Egyptian parliamentary election.

    ==================

    Well, that’s encouraging. Assuming that election was honest.

  369. #
    turndownobama
    February 3rd, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    {MB} failed to win a single seat in the 2010 Egyptian parliamentary election.

    ==================

    Well, that’s encouraging. Assuming that election was honest.

    …………………………………….

    It was’nt, it was rigged to high heaven.

  370. Muslim Brotherhood Website: Support Palestinian ‘Resistance,’ Hike Price of Oil to West
    Posted by Thomas Ferdousi at 3:38 PM Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to FacebookShare to Google Buzz

    For those who say that the Muslim Brotherhood is not an extremist group, their own website appears to suggest otherwise. The Brotherhood is the largest opposition group in Egypt and is perhaps most famous for its 1981 conspiracy that murdered Egyptian President Anwar Sadat for creating peace with Israel two years earlier. A former member of the Brotherhood was Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the second-in-command of al Qaeda. The radical group Egyptian Islamic Jihad is an offshoot of the Brotherhood and was formerly commanded by Zawahiri.

    The Brotherhood’s formal stance is that it has renounced violence. However, its inclinations appear to be the opposite. Protesters, probably affiliated in the group, were reported to be shouting “jihad” in the streets of Cairo yesterday.

    The group wants a share of power in any new Egyptian government. It has been in talks with Vice President Omar Suleiman and demand key ministries. If Mubarak is overthrown and the army does not step in the Brotherhood will be the best-equipped and organized group to form a new regime.

    According to the Muslim Brotherhood website, Ikhanweb, the organization lays down some key demands. Some are for changes to the Egyptian constitution. Most distressing are its calls for the cancellation of the peace treaty and all relations with the ‘Zionist state.’

    Fifth: immediately reviewing the Egyptian foreign policy, especially regarding the Zionists and the need to cut ties with them and support the Palestinian resistance as well as the establishment of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.
    Supporting the Palestinian resistance? Considering the organization’s ties with groups like Hamas it appears likely that a new Egyptian government under their command would likely open the spigot for funding for terrorist groups.

    The new regime would also ‘review’ the sending of oil to Western nations if they support Israel:

    3 – stopping the pumping of oil and gas to the Zionists and to review the prices and export it to other countries.
    This is beginning to sound more and more like 1979 every day.

  371. This is beginning to sound more and more like 1979 every day.
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    A better than 50/50 chance this will occur.

  372. It looked like Hillary was given a prepared little speech and pushed in front of the camera to deliver it.

    The words she read did not see to come from her…
    that’s how it appeared to me.

  373. {MB} failed to win a single seat in the 2010 Egyptian parliamentary election.

    ==================

    Well, that’s encouraging. Assuming that election was honest.

    …………………………………….

    It was’nt, it was rigged to high heaven.

    =================

    Then there’s another level in the chess game. Who rigged it then, and who is likely to rig the next one?

  374. Clinton offers Jordan support in ‘difficult times’

    AFP, Feb 4, 2011

    WASHINGTON: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton offered support for Jordan Thursday in “difficult times” and said she looked forward to working with its new government when she spoke to King Abdullah II, her spokesman said.

    The king on Tuesday named as prime minister Maruf Bakhit, a career soldier and former premier, after sacking the government of Samir Rifai, following weeks of protests to demand political and economic reforms.

    Clinton made a 15-minute call to Abdullah indicating the United States is looking “forward to working with Prime Minister Bakhit and members of the new Jordanian cabinet,” Clinton spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters.

    The chief US diplomat stressed “the importance that we place on the continued excellent relationship with Jordan. We are eager to continue to support Jordan during these difficult times.”

    The protests in Jordan are part of a wave of anti-government unrest sweeping Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen.

    Bakhit began consultations Wednesday on forming a government charged with passing reforms and meeting the demands of the popular protests, despite objections from the Islamist opposition.

    “We’re going to support Jordan’s efforts to undertake political and economic reform,” Crowley said, noting press reports that King Abdullah conceded these efforts at reform have been too slow.

    He recalled that Clinton underlined the importance of US economic assistance when she met in Washington last month with Jordanian Foreign Minister Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh.

    “We have a very important program of economic assistance to Jordan. That’s going to continue. So we will continue to work with Jordan to see how we can support these reform efforts,” Crowley said.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Clinton-offers-Jordan-support-in-difficult-times/articleshow/7421909.cms

  375. Just seen this

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/the-us-intelligence-community-warned.php

    CIA Official: Obama Was Briefed On Egypt Instability Late Last Year

    The U.S. intelligence community warned President Obama about instability in Egypt late last year, according to a CIA official.

    Stephanie O’Sullivan, the President’s nominee for principal deputy director of national intelligence who currently serves as associate deputy director of the CIA, told the Senate intelligence committee Thursday that the agency briefed Obama. She did not indicate how specific the information they provided was.

    “We warned of instability but not exactly where it would come from [and in what form],” she said. “That happened at the end of last year.”

    The committee was considering O’Sullivan’s nomination, and O’Sullivan was responding to a question from Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) about what the president knew about the expected unrest in Egypt and when he knew it.

    Wyden was not satisfied by O’Sullivan’s answer and said he wanted more specifics about exactly when Obama was informed about how serious the situation was in Egypt.

    read on……

  376. POUSA has left Muback no exit path, and he has upped the ante with the protesters. Obama’s chief of staff now concedes that things are out of control. China must be laughing at us.
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    Exit
    John Bachelor
    No Quarter

    Am told of genuine frustration and doubt at White House with regard the decision by Hosni Mubarak to make a fight of the transition. The Robert Gibbs recommendation that Mubarak depart immediately is regarded as gesture.
    The militia units, hired by State Security’s Omar Suleiman, now dominate the story in Cairo and other cities — and the demonstrators constructed a makeshift tin wall these last hours to hold off what will come again, vigilante justice. There will be blood.

    POTUS gave Mubarak no exit route.

    The message was go or else. Mubarak chooses else. Reporting that the vigilantes will sweep the demonstrators apparently surprises the White House.

    Out of Our Control
    New chief of staff Bill Daley is quoted in the WSJ saying that the situation is “now totally out of our control.”
    This is the talk of an outgeneraled and fatalistic White House. America is never outgunned, cannot let itself be outgunned.

    And yet, now it arrives that the White House is asking for new ideas from Brookings and Carnegie. What about the DoD?

    CENTCOM announces it is developing contingency plans for losing the Suez Canal. The USS Kearsarge arrives off Egypt in prepation for evacuation of US citizens and personnel. The US embassy is reinforced by Marines. There is nothing inevitable.

    The Obama administration displays little energy and no fresh leverage. Talking does not move the entrenched. The US is seen as abandoning an ally of 30 years’ standing.

    The White House emissary Frank Wisner has now left Cairo after Mubarak broke off talks.

    There is no Plan B. The flimsy White House remark that it would review the US aid to Egypt of $1.5 billion is a charade. Cairo holds the high ground of the Suez Canal.

    The flimsy Washington talk of appealing to the military to oust Mubarak is laughable. Mubarak and Suleiman and Tantawi are the military: they came from the military. And off in the shadows is the Ihkwan.

    The White House is reported talking with the Ihkwan. Why? To what end? To underline to Mubarak that he has no exit but resistance?

    Instead, America takes the exit of an air rescue, risking another photo of the last helicopter leaving the embassy compound in an abandoned capital, this time Cairo.

    – From the blog for the John Batchelor Show.

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    dont be surprised if obama comes down on the side of the muslim brotherhood .maybe he didnt expect to have to show his true allegiance so soon. he seems to be running around like a chicken without a head asking everyone and anyone “what should i do?” ready from day one..my ass.
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    I believe Obama already has come down on the side of the Brotherhood. It began with his inauguration, and has only continued.
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    Pre-inauguration, R3A. We all know in one of the infamous Ayers/Obama books he told everyone where he was…when push comes to shove, he’ll choose the Muslims. What is it about this that the Democrat women don’t get? Muslims = Sharia. Do they really believe they’d be exempt from the repressive cultural de-evolution?

  377. I agree with Batchelor.

    I also agree BO supports the MB the same way he supported black Liberation Theologists like Jeremiah Wright.

    BO’s father was a muslim. His step-father was a muslim. He spent his formative years in muslim countries. He clearly has no respect for women. He initially supported the GZM’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if he fantasizes about being leader of the worldwide caliphate the MB wants to establish.

    Ladies, should that happen, protect your vajayjays. I see a growing market in chastity-type belts demanded by women to protect against mutilation.

  378. He spent his formative years in muslim countries. [….] I wouldn’t be surprised if he fantasizes about being leader of the worldwide caliphate the MB wants to establish.

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    Now that’s a thought. If there is no step up from POTUS, invent one.

    But do you really think ‘formative years’ stops at age 10?

  379. Well well well.

    Look whose worried about the MB.
    From HA on Kirsten powers.

    “I spent much of yesterday interviewing American experts on the region—including two Brookings Institution scholars who are experts on the Muslim Brotherhood—and was reassured over and over that the organization has reformed and does not seek to establish a fundamentalist state. One claimed that Brotherhood officials have said they view Copts as equal citizens.

    My relative laughed at this. He says when Brotherhood members have been asked about how they would treat Christians they are vague. When asked about whether they would nationalize the banks, they are vague. Even one of the Brookings scholars told me that the Brotherhood would probably segregate the sexes. This is far from a secular group.’

    That Powers, a proud “progressive,” is writing about this makes it clear that such fears are not merely being propagated by “right wingers.”

  380. Ingenious : Protestors in Tahrir Sq are diverting power from the street lights and re-charging their mobile phones.

  381. I’m sorry, but now they are saying “its out of control”, WTF is in the water at the WH anyway??? They sound like Cheech and Chong! Well I guess things are out of control…cough…cough! OMG!

  382. It’s clear to me that the idiots that Soros believes in is the MB and he thinks they should be in charge of Egypt and the ME….well they’ll say “off with his head” the same way they did Daniel Pearl’s, especially when they find out he’s a Jew….

    He, Zbig, and Kissinger….how old are these dudes anyway….sure seems to take them a long time to die, don’t it! Some people seem to get an extended period of time while others don’t get enough. It also seems the more mean and wicked you are, the longer you get, but not always…look at me…I’m still here..LOL!

  383. cobnfkloyd,

    You got that much room down there? 😉

    Here’s an interesting take on the BO-MB connection from rhinotimes.

    Under the Hammer

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    by John Hammer
    write the author

    shadow
    February 03, 2011
    It appears that the Obama administration is a step slow on the Egyptian crisis, but that may not be the case.

    The news media keep reporting that the Obama administration is reactive rather than pro active and that is certainly a possibility. President Barack Hussein Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have on the job training but no background in international diplomacy, other than the fact that Clinton had tea with the spouses while the heads of state discussed matters of international concern.

    But there is an alternative scenario. Things in Egypt could be going just the way Obama wants them to go. If Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is forced to resign, then under almost any scenario the Muslim Brotherhood, known as Hamas in Israel, gains power. Under many scenarios the Muslim Brotherhood gains control of the country. If the Muslim Brotherhood gains control of Egypt, can a war with Israel be far behind?

    The White House has already recognized that the Muslim Brotherhood will probably be part of a new government and said hey would have to reject violence and accept democratic goals if the US was going to be happy with them. Of course, there is not much reason to think that the Muslim Brotherhood gives a hoot what the White House wants them to do, and if they gain control of the country they are not going to be running it with the intention of keeping the US happy.

    The situation is made far more volatile because Obama clearly has no love for Israel. When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came to the White House to meet with Obama last March, Obama showed his disdain, or perhaps dislike, for him and the country he represents. It is standard operating procedure at the White House when hosting a visiting head of state to have a photo session. Obama refused to have one with Netanyahu, which was rude. But then, in an almost unprecedented affront, Obama left the negotiating table to go eat dinner with his family while Netanyahu and his retinue were left to cool their heels until Obama found time for them again.

    Obama has no love for Israel, but he appears to have much love for the Muslim nations who hate Israel. In the Obama worldview, to have Egypt move from the friend of Israel column to the enemy of Israel column may be a move in the right direction.

    It is a scary thought that the president of the United States would be in favor of something so detrimental to the interests of the United States, but if you read Obama’s memoir, Dreams from my Father, you find that Obama is not a big fan of the US.

    It is entirely possible that Obama sees the Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt as something that politically he could not encourage, but now that it is happening on its own he supports it.

  384. Just couldn’t help myself. Here’s my post to the student from the University of Main concerning Hillary as BO’s VP:

    http://mainecampus.com/2011/02/02/political-columnist-obama-should-consider-clinton-coalition-in-2012/?ref=mostviewed

    Let’s see, after the Dem Party used all the right-wing talking points against Hillary Clinton, used misogyny, sexism, and race-baiting attacks as an overall campaign strategy to destroy the Clintons and their legacy — even cheated her out of a Roll Call vote in Denver! — and now you want her to step in and save BO’s Reagan-loving arse? PLeeeeeze! I’ll tell you this much, Hillary supporters — and there are still legions of them out there — will NOT vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket. Best get that through your naive little heads.

  385. Obama/Hillary ticket.

    😆

    Yea, like she will even consider being his underling.

    I won’t vote for Barry, even if he made my son his VP.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

  386. Ok its goodnight from me guys, I am off to bed with the dogs and the cats and the other one, its raining monsoons outside, its cold and i’m tired.

    Tomorrow will probably be very eventful.

    Dont forget I am 7hrs ahead of the East coast so when its 3am there its 10am here and in Egypt.

    Will keep up to date early.

    Have a good day folks.

  387. February 2, 2011

    Obama’s Handling of Egyptian Crisis Will Tell Us About Him and His Future

    The times make presidents, much more than presidents make the times.

    That’s why the antigovernment unrest in Egypt, with the potential to spread to much of the rest of the Arab world, is so important to Barack Obama’s political future.

    How the situation evolves and how the president handles the challenges will tell us a great deal about Mr. Obama. And how the American people react to his decisions will tell us much about their verdict on him as a crisis leader.

    –How will Mr. Obama steer U.S. policy between the often-incompatible goals of promoting U.S. national security and speaking up for the human rights?

    –Will he define America’s best interests – as his predecessors generally have – as supporting whatever friendly leaders help continue the flow of oil to the U.S. economy?

    –And how will Mr. Obama handle the politics at home? How much value will he place on safeguarding Israel’s interests as he formulates U.S. policy, and how will American votes line up on that matter?

    –Most of all, can he do whatever is necessary to avoid the worst-case scenario from an American viewpoint: Americans don’t want to see what began as a secular protest against Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak based on economic wants and the desire for personal freedom morph into an Islamist, anti-American regime as happened in Iran 30-plus years ago?

    Steering the Ship of State

    All of this may determine whether Mr. Obama is a two-term president. This looks like is one of those instances where the president will get little domestic political resistance, at least initially, as he tries to navigate the ship of state through the foreign policy crisis.

    It would be surprising – and politically dumb – for any of the Republican presidential hopefuls to try to make points over Mr. Obama’s reaction to the situation now.

    Historically, the Americans have believed that during times of international crisis, this country should speak with one voice. Besides, there will be plenty of time to hold Mr. Obama accountable before 2012 if he screws up. The Middle East and its politics have historically been inhospitable to American presidents. For every victory there have been many more failures and frustrations.

    Hence the political risk for Mr. Obama arising out of this crisis.

    Two historical analogies are worth considering:

    The obvious precedent is Jimmy Carter and the Iranian revolution. President Carter stuck with the shah until the last minute before he fled the country in 1979. That was unforgivable for the clerics who eventually seized power. The hostage crisis then ensued.

    Whether Mr. Carter would have been re-elected in 1980 had the shah not fallen, or had the 53 American hostages not been taken is interesting cocktail party conversation. We will never know.

    After all, Mr. Carter was already facing a lousy economy that he seemed unable to fix – and a primary challenge from Sen. Edward Kennedy. Mr. Kennedy’s bid failed, but it wounded Mr. Carter for the fall campaign against Ronald Reagan.

    Avoiding the Same Mistakes

    It is worth noting that the Obama White House has sought not to repeat the same mistake with Mr. Mubarak. It has openly empathized with what has so far been a secular protest movement, believing that doing so will reduces the chances that movement and others elsewhere in the Arab world it will be taken over by radical Islamic and anti-Western forces.

    Publicly and privately the White House has told the Egyptian leader not to crack down on demonstrators. It has also raised the possibility that U.S. aid to Egypt – the second-largest amount of largess Washington doles out around the world – might be stopped if Mr. Mubarak behaves badly.

    The other analogy worth considering is the fall of the Berlin Wall and the accompanying series of revolutions throughout Eastern Europe that led to the implosion of the Soviet Union. When that occurred two decades ago, the United States cheered on the millions who took to the streets.

    But that was because it was difficult to imagine how those revolutions would lead led to a political climate in Eastern Europe that wasn’t avidly pro-West. And, in fact, the Eastern European nations have turned out to be more supportive of U.S. policies than America’s more traditional allies such as France and postwar Germany.

    But the obvious problem with this analogy is that when it comes to U.S. security, there is less certainty in backing the human rights of millions in the Arab World to choose their leaders.

    And, it’s a pretty safe bet that come Election Day 2012, the American people will be a lot more concerned about their own national security than the human rights of millions in the Arab world.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://blogs.wsj.com/capitaljournal/2011/02/02/obamas-handling-of-egyptian-crisis-will-tell-us-about-him-and-his-future/

  388. Yeah, I have lots of room down here…got two pit bull protectors and I’ll even find us a couple of red necks with pickup trucks that have the confederate flag on the back glass to keep us safe from the vajayjay hacking mooselems. We be safe down here in Texas! LOL!

  389. I have to say I always thought I could stomach a Obama/Clinton ticket…but no more…this little lady ain’t putting on no hajib or whatever you call those big black sheets with holes for the eyes….nope…no way Jose…I’d rather be dead!
    Let take me out to the Soccer field and shoot me in the head for the Sunday spectacle!! Yeppers!

  390. That was priceless. My sides hurt from laughing!

    ‘I’ll even find us a couple of red necks with pickup trucks that have the confederate flag on the back glass to keep us safe from the vajayjay hacking mooselems.’

  391. I haven’t had the TV on all day, and just saw the footage of the govt security vehicle deliberately running over protestors. Sickened.

    How many reporters were targeted and beaten up? I know they put an ABC guy and two FOX reporters in the hospital.

  392. H4T,

    Well you knew about Andy Cooper. And today I saw Christiana Amanpour in a brief clip being told to go home, Egyptians Hat Hat HAT (hate) Americans. They pronounced it hat. Christie seemed a bit slow in comprehending she wasn’t adored.

  393. basil, I knew about Amanpour and Cooper, but am hearing reports that tons of reporters were specifically targeted today.

  394. Just checking in after 48 hours without power at my house. No heat, no hot water, no cooking, no tv, no computer. Missed the turn to violence in Egypt during my involuntary seclusion. Finally, packed up the cat and a few clothes and moved in with my son and his family and his humongous dog and insane cat until my power was restored. I’m exhausted but glad to be back home and online.

    Confloyd, How are your frozen water pipes?

  395. I know 2 Fox reporters or a reporter and his cameraman spent the night in the hospital. One was Greg Palkot.

  396. BCL, Yes my hot water pipes is still frozen, I am heating my bath on the stove…I love it too, LOL!

    For all of those who want to know Odumbo’s idea of the middle east here it is by the real Potus….

    Why Obama has to get Egypt right

    By George Soros
    Thursday, February 3, 2011

    Revolutions usually start with enthusiasm and end in tears. In the case of the Middle East, the tears could be avoided if President Obama stands firmly by the values that got him elected. Although American power and influence in the world have declined, our allies and their armies look to us for direction. These armies are strong enough to maintain law and order as long as they stay out of politics; thus the revolutions can remain peaceful. That is what the United States should insist on while encouraging corrupt and repressive rulers who are no longer tolerated by their people to step aside and allow new leaders to be elected in free and fair elections.

    That is the course that the revolution in Tunisia is taking. Tunisia has a relatively well-developed middle class, women there enjoy greater rights and opportunities than in most Muslim countries, and the failed regime was secular in character. The prospects for democratic change are favorable.

    Egypt is more complex and, ultimately, more influential, which is why it is so important to get it right. The protesters are very diverse, including highly educated and common people, young and old, well-to-do and desperately poor. While the slogans and crowds in Tahrir Square are not advancing a theocratic agenda at all, the best-organized political opposition that managed to survive in that country’s repressive environment is the Muslim Brotherhood. In free elections, the Brotherhood is bound to emerge as a major political force, though it is far from assured of a majority.

    Some have articulated fears of adverse consequences of free elections, suggesting that the Egyptian military may seek to falsify the results; that Israel may be adamantly opposed to a regime change; that the domino effect of extremist politics spreading to other countries must be avoided; and that the supply of oil from the region could be disrupted. These notions constitute the old conventional wisdom about the Middle East – and need to be changed, lest Washington incorrectly put up resistance to or hesitate in supporting transition in Egypt.

    That would be regrettable. President Obama personally and the United States as a country have much to gain by moving out in front and siding with the public demand for dignity and democracy. This would help rebuild America’s leadership and remove a lingering structural weakness in our alliances that comes from being associated with unpopular and repressive regimes. Most important, doing so would open the way to peaceful progress in the region. The Muslim Brotherhood’s cooperation with Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel laureate who is seeking to run for president, is a hopeful sign that it intends to play a constructive role in a democratic political system. As regards contagion, it is more likely to endanger the enemies of the United States – Syria and Iran – than our allies, provided that they are willing to move out ahead of the avalanche.

    The main stumbling block is Israel. In reality, Israel has as much to gain from the spread of democracy in the Middle East as the United States has. But Israel is unlikely to recognize its own best interests because the change is too sudden and carries too many risks. And some U.S. supporters of Israel are more rigid and ideological than Israelis themselves. Fortunately, Obama is not beholden to the religious right, which has carried on a veritable vendetta against him. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is no longer monolithic or the sole representative of the Jewish community. The main danger is that the Obama administration will not adjust its policies quickly enough to the suddenly changed reality.

    I am, as a general rule, wary of revolutions. But in the case of Egypt, I see a good chance of success. As a committed advocate of democracy and open society, I cannot help but share in the enthusiasm that is sweeping across the Middle East. I hope President Obama will expeditiously support the people of Egypt. My foundations are prepared to contribute what they can. In practice, that means establishing resource centers for supporting the rule of law, constitutional reform, fighting corruption and strengthening democratic institutions in those countries that request help in establishing them, while staying out of those countries where such efforts are not welcome.

  397. JanH
    February 3rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
    BigCatLover
    February 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 pm

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    What I mess. I hope things are better now.
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    thanks, and I’ll let you know after a good night’s sleep.

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