Iron Veil Threatens Egypt – What America Must Do Now

From Tunisia in the Mediterranean to Jordan by the River – an Iron Veil threatens to descend across continents.

This is a moment of great peril. At the moment (expect nothing to change) Barack Obama is displaying all the weakness, pandering, posturing, and worst academic traits for which he is known. Instead of a display of seriousness, resolve, and attention – Obama yesterday watched basketball featuring his daughter and then went to party with David Axelrod.

While Obama has dithered the unstated policy from the White House boob shop has been “hurry up and wait”. The smart policy makers were forced to declare that things were stable in Egypt while Obama played “eeny meeny miny mo” to try and figure out what to do.

The boobery from Obama has been ceaseless. From the first Obama pandered to Arabs and Muslims and snubbed Israel. Obama thought that if he strapped on a ukulele and sang “Tip Toe Through The Tulips With Me” the gangs governments of the Middle East would sing along. But these governments have interests and strategies that will not be swayed by Obama’s flood of words, backed up by more words and yet more words. Weakness is not respected in the Middle East and Barack Obama is weak and foolish.

Barack Obama first snubbed Israel and then tried to force Israel to listen to his sophomoric opinions on the “settlements issue” and relations with Palestinians. Israel slapped Obama in the face and pulled his ears.

Obama then bowed and scraped before Arab potentates and governments – begged them to listen to his pleas on bended knees. The Arab governments and Muslim leaders proceeded to do what they wanted and grab countries and positions – laughing all the way at Barack Obama.

Hillary Clinton, appearing on most of the Sunday morning news shows began to show the way out of the mess created by Barack Obama weakness.

At this very late hour what should the United States do and say? The first thing to do is to take a quick glimpse of regional developments:

Lebanon has (thanks Obama) been absorbed by Syria. After the 2005 assassination of Prime Minister Rafik Hariri there was an uprising in the streets, a new Hope, as the Lebanese people demanded Syria leave their country. Today, Syrian terrorist proxy Hezbollah will form a new government with Prime Minister-designate Najib Mikati in charge. A total fail for Hope over reality, the people lost.

In the Gaza Strip, due to elections, Hamas and Hezbollah are in control. An Israeli-Egyptian blockade keeps the situation there bottled up and as yet unexploded.

After a 1979 revolution of the people which replaced the tyrannical Shah, Iran is in the grip of Islamic theocracy and headed towards acquisition of nuclear bombs. Recently the people of Iran tried to stage another revolution but the revolutionaries of old are the establishment of the present. The street calls for change, the hopes for change quickly turn to autocratic silence. The people lost again.

The recent overthrow of the Tunisian dictatorship starts with great promise. The people of Tunisia want a modern society not Sharia medievalism. But history is not on their side.

In most if not all instances, the revolution in the streets, hailed in the West as steps forward, ended in theocracy and authoritarianism. The people are tools to establish dictatorships. The hopes that start with calls from the street for democracy – end in small groups of men who seize power and throttle the voice of the people.

The United States policy should be: Egypt For The Egyptians. The United States now cannot determine much of what will happen within Egypt but we can declare that we will block states such as Iran from overtly or covertly turning Egypt into a Lebanon.

American policy should be aimed at making sure that Egypt moves towards a modern society which provides economic opportunity for its people. What is most important is that American policy must be aimed at protecting Egypt from takeover by Islamic extremists. American policy must be particularly aimed at preventing Iran from winning what many understand to be a “proxy war” between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Evil choice, meet Evil choice.

Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State spoke strongly today and appeared to move in the right direction and away from Obama’s dithering. We hope that Hillary Clinton is the lead force determining American foreign policy at this moment but we fear the worst – that Obama persists in bumbling his way into the conversation. Barack Obama is having a Jimmy Carter moment – Obama’s Iran is Egypt.

Recently we saw what Egypt could become. We saw how Egypt could once again regain glories lost when sand covered the Sphinx and the great pyramids.

We saw Egyptians stand up to Muslim extremists. We saw Egyptians stand up with courage and become “human shields” at Coptic Christian Christmas services. We saw Egyptian Muslims “flock to Coptic churches across the country to attend Coptic Christmas Eve mass, to show solidarity with the nation’s Coptic minority, but also to serve as “human shields” against possible attacks by Islamist militants.” If Egypt leads the Arab/Muslim world into such enlightened modernity then the turmoil in Egyptian streets today is indeed a moment of great opportunity and historic hope and glory.

But that moment will be lost if Obama bumbles in and mucks things up by dithering and not recognizing the danger and the opportunities. The United States must lead. Iran, Syria, the Wahhabists, the Muslim Brotherhood – all these wolves must be kept at bay by the United States in defense of the people of Egypt.

Egypt must be allowed the opportunity to lead the Arab/Muslim world to modernity – but that will not happen if the Islamic thugs who want a Caliphate ride their armored camels of death into the Egyptian government. The advocates of a world-wide Caliphate must not triumph in Egypt. Right now, they are winning, even in Egypt. The photographic evidence of “The Steady Erosion Of Women’s Rights In Egypt” is a harbinger of things to come.

The Iron Veil threatens to fall. Some of the Obama Oblivious on the left prefer to hope against reality and history that people rising in the streets against dictators is something to cheer in every instance. But as we learned in the 1930s and later on in Iran that is not always the case. These Obama Oblivious think that wishing will make it so. But the dangers are real. The cheering on must be muted with thinking.

The authoritarian rule of Hosni Mubarak is at an end. His sons are in London and that is never a good sign of dynastic continuity. The wealthy have fled Cairo. The Egyptian military might or might not be supporting Mubarak but Egypt is now in political/social transition. Common criminals and Muslim Brotherhood prisoners plunder Cairo streets while decent citizens hide in their homes or arm themselves for protection.

Everything is falling apart in Egypt except for the wolves. The wolves are organized and running in packs. The spokesman for the wolves is now Mohamed El-Baradei who makes common cause with the Muslim Sisterhood Brotherhood. Iran, the theocratic killers of dissent in its own streets, is staking a claim to the revolution in Egyptian streets.

The wolves are organized while the boy raised by wolves parties.

Hillary Clinton understands the stakes and is fighting to keep the Iron Veil from falling:

“Democracy, human rights and economic reform are in the best interests of the Egyptian people,” she told ABC News.

“Any government that does not try to move in that direction cannot meet the legitimate interest of the people.” [snip]

“We want to see an orderly transition so that no-one fills a void, that there not be a void, that there be a well thought-out plan that will bring about a democratic participatory government,” Mrs Clinton told the “Fox News Sunday” programme.”

Hillary Clinton understands what must be done to hold the wolves at bay:

“She warned that the U.S. would not accept two alternatives as potential ends to the current crisis: “democracy of six months or a year and then evolving essentially into a military dictatorship” or – a scarier specter for American policymakers –what she described on NBC’s “Meet The Press” as “faux democacy like the elections we saw in Iran…where you have one election 30 years ago and the people stay in power and become less and less responsive to their people.” [snip]

“We want to see free and fair elections and we expect that that will be one of the outcomes of what is going on in Egypt right now,” Clinton said.”

Those “free and fair elections” must be free of Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, Islamic extremist influence. The rights of women must be respected as well as the rights of religions such as Coptic Christianity. Egypt must not turn into a theocratic misogynistic state like Iran. That is the policy the American government must pursue.

“Clinton, on CBS’s “Face The Nation,” addressed the issue of an Islamic regime following Mubarak. “Well, first I’m not speculating about who goes or who stays. And I’m not prepared to comment on what kind of democratic process the Egyptian people can construct for themselves. But we obviously want to see people who are truly committed to democracy — not to imposing any ideology on Egyptians.”

Hillary Clinton understands better than most that not all CHANGE is for the best:

We do not want to see a change or a regime that would actually continue to foment violence or chaos — either because it didn’t exist or because it had a different view in which in which to pose on the Egyptian people,” she said.

That’s diplo-speak to say: Egypt and the Egyptian people must be protected from the wolves.

The wolves are gathering. The Iron Veil unfurls, ready to fall, and plunge us all into darkness.

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504 thoughts on “Iron Veil Threatens Egypt – What America Must Do Now

  1. It appears that the police, having been off the streets for most of Sunday, have now returned. There had been reports earlier that they would resume patrols on Monday, but Egypt’s state news agency and Al Arabiya TV now say that deployment has already happened.
    ………….

    I imagine the welcome the cops are going to get will be not pleasant considering their activities when they “disappeared” or should i say went looting.

  2. I am @ work Admin, but this post is outstanding and explains exactly what is going on in Egypt and the inapptitude in the WH. Thank God for Hillary!

  3. Well said, Admin.

    Already some of the media are blaming obama’s foreign relations team for all that is happening, and saying that he has to get rid of them.

    God forbid that anyone would blame the real monster who screws up everything he touches.

  4. Brilliant commentary, admin. And HRC sounded so much more commanding, intelligent and weighty than that one ever does. What a terrifying mess.

    “Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt.”

    Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as “the president who lost Iran,” which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who “lost” Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America’s alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/obama-will-go-down-in-history-as-the-president-who-lost-egypt-1.340057

  5. JanH, it wont wash, the buck stops with Obama its his job to sign all foreign policy off.

    He sacks Hillary, may as well just sack himself on the spot as well.

  6. JanH
    January 30th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    But if the Muslim Brotherhood is now backing him, What has Elbaradei promised them?

    That is something I really want to know. And his anti-Israeli stance isn’t a winner for me either.
    _________________________________

    Jan, from what I gather, Elbaradei has a mandate in hand for the meeting negotiating with Mubarek. He is not directly representing the MBs but they have made their terms known to him. The MBs sent several of their representatives to speak with him when it was announced there was a meeting forthcoming. So, saying the MB’s are supporting him is more of an exaggeration expressing him as their leader than depicting his actual relationship with them, in the interests of accuracy, as having a goal in common of removing Mubarek.

    His priority is and always has been the ordinary Egyptian people and the business class people. I wrote earlier in the day; the problem he has with Israel is when he was the director of the NPT (Non-proliferation Treaty) His quote:

    “What compounds the problem is that the nuclear non-proliferation regime has lost its legitimacy in the eyes of Arab public opinion because of the perceived double-standards concerning Israel, the only state in the region outside the NPT and known to possess nuclear weapons,” he wrote.”

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/02/16/idINIndia-38051120090216

    I could argue both sides of that issue easily as I’m sure you could as well. This is something that is still on the back burner and needs to be ironed out between Israel and the NPT even though he is no longer head of the NPT agency.

    As I ended the last post with this quote, I will say the same thing. We have to wait and see who eventually will be the head of government in Egypt. It’s way too soon to tell.

    I’m not lobbying for Elbaradei- all my intentions were is to give the guy a fair shake and have a clear vision of who he is and let him handle his own destiny in his own way before we totally 86 him.

  7. Tomorrow at the WH: No public events by Pres. Obama. But other officials will be launching what is billed as a “Startup America” as a national campaign promoting “high-growth entrepreneurship across the country.”

    ………

    Due to Incompetence, The WH is initially offering Fulltime permanent jobs of long distance tanker captains for long trips round the horn of Africa to reach the Arabian Oilfields.

  8. Obama divorces Mideast

    Op-ed: Obama offers hesitant response while America’s most important Mideast ally collapses
    Orly Azoulay

    American President Barack Obama has divorced the Middle East, even if it he did not declare it or present the world with the divorce certificate.

    US Administration officials are treating the protests in Egypt as a constitutive event in the Mideast and comparing them to the revolution in Europe in the wake of the Berlin Wall’s collapse. However, Obama, loyal to his worldview that the US should not build or ruin foreign regimes, presented the world with a hesitant response over the weekend: He did not support Mubarak, but also did not go all the way to the other end of the spectrum and called for general elections or the replacement of the Egyptian regime.

    Obama could have led a revolution in the Middle East: As the leader of the Free World, he could have facilitated peace agreements, if not by coercion then at least by exerting massive pressure. Yet precisely when he chose to take one step back, America’s most important ally in the Middle East, Egypt, collapsed right before his eyes.

    Obama’s response to the protests in Egypt and to the Mubarak speech proved that at that junction the White House preferred not to take a decisive, unequivocal stance. While Obama said in his speech Friday that he supports the will of the Egyptian people, he did not show sweeping endorsement of the protestors. On the other hand, he did not support Mubarak either.

    For two years now, far away from the glare of the cameras, Obama has been confronting Mubarak and demanding that he improve the state of human rights in Egypt. According to the US president’s worldview, there is no room for supporting tyrants, and he therefore did not utter even one positive word that would stabilize Mubarak’s regime vis-à-vis the protestors. Obama did this despite the reasonable concerns that should Mubarak fall, the Muslim Brothers will replace him.

    Over the weekend, Obama did everything in his power not to be portrayed as a leader who supports a dictator. However, the American hesitation stems from another fact of immense importance: Obama has decided to turn his back on the Middle East.

    Despite all his nice words, the US president did not dare execute his plan for securing peace in the region. This would not have necessarily curbed the protests in Egypt, but it may have given them a different meaning. Yet Obama had lost this opportunity. America is barely playing on that court. In fact, it barely exists there.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021379,00.html

  9. wbboei
    January 30th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    ————-
    Ah, the Q of E. Bottom line is you can forget she was ever mentioned re world affairs. Imagine if mentioning her were just a way of getting attention. There are far more important fish to fry. (Not that I think she’s not a fish, just that she don’t need frying now.) Wish I had time to read what’s up top. Please feel free to push me on the subject should I neglect it. Sam Huntington too or anything.

  10. By the way did no one notice how we suddenly went in the last day from “Egyptian Govt” to “Egyptian Regime” by the media.

    No coincidence.

  11. From Tim’s post:

    ElBaradei: The man to lead a ‘free’ Egypt?

    (do notice the ? mark)

    January 28, 2011 —

    When thousands of angry protesters take to the streets of Egypt on Friday, one man many see as the country’s next potential leader will be among them.

    The Cairo-born former head of the United Nations nuclear watchdog, Nobel Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei on Thursday returned to the country, despite death threats, to be with “his people.”

    “There was an edict against me a couple of weeks ago basically saying that my life should be dispensable because I am defying the rulers,” ElBaradei told CNN on Tuesday.

    He said he would have no official protection during his trip to Egypt, but felt the need to express solidarity with his people in person amid criticism he has kept a safe distance while all too subtly trying to encourage change.

    “I have no security when I go to Egypt …. but, you know, you have to be with your people,” ElBaradei said.

    Thousands of protesters clashed with police on the country’s streets on Tuesday and Wednesday as unrest in nearby Tunisia stirred simmering discontent with President Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year regime.

    In central Cairo, people were beaten with sticks and fists and demonstrators were dragged away as police fired tear gas into the crowd. At least four people were reported dead and dozens were injured as demonstrations flared up outside the capital in the port city of Suez and Sheikh Zwayd, an area close to Egypt’s border with Gaza.

    ElBaradei watched as the protests unfolded, posting messages of support on social networking site Twitter.

    “We shall continue to exercise our right of peaceful demonstration and restore our freedom & dignity. Regime violence will backfire badly,” he wrote Wednesday night.

    But one user asked: “Where were you when people were being beaten and arrested?”

    ElBaradei has yet to form a political party but hundreds of thousands of Egyptians have set up Facebook groups supporting his candidacy. One “Elbaradei for Presidency of Egypt_ 2011” counts more than 200,000 members.

    Asked whether he would run for president, ElBaradei said: “Whether I run or not, that is totally irrelevant. And I made it very clear; I will not run under the present conditions, when the deck is stacked completely.”

    “The priority for me is to — is to shift Egypt into a democracy, is to catch up with the 21st century, to get Egypt to be a modern and moderate society and respecting human rights, respecting the basic freedoms of the people.”

    ElBaradei began working in Egypt’s diplomatic service in the early 1960s. In 1980 he joined U.N. and in 1997 he became head of the IAEA, taking on some of the world’s most uncompromising regimes — including Iraq, Iran and North Korea — over their nuclear programs.

    The list of his high-profile adversaries also includes former U.S. President George W. Bush. As storm clouds gathered over Iraq in 2002, ElBaradei was thrust into the center of controversy when he questioned the Bush administration’s insistence that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction.
    We shall continue to exercise our right of peaceful demonstration and restore our freedom & dignity. Regime violence will backfire badly.

    “We knew that Iraq at that time did not have nuclear weapons, we had to see whether they reconstituted their program; we had no shred of evidence that they did and I made that quite clear.

    “Some people in the Bush administration did not like that and as we now know both in London and in the U.S. they had a hidden agenda, which is regime change,” he said.

    ElBaradei and the IAEA were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in October 2005, in recognition of their efforts to prevent nuclear energy from being used for military purposes.

    After three terms as the IAEA’s director general, ElBaradei stepped down at the end of 2009. He was hoping to settle into a quiet retirement, but his return to Egypt during the week’s unrest suggests that he is not content to sit and watch from the sidelines.

    He said the Jasmine Revolution in Tunisia that saw the expulsion of long-term President Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali in mid-January had spurred action in Egypt.

    ElBaradei said:

    “It sent a message everywhere to the Arab world that, to quote Barack Obama, ‘Yes, we can,’ you know, that it is doable. Then that we can be empowered as people to change a system that is ossified, that is completely repressive of our own basic rights.”

    Whether he is the man to do it remains to be seen. In an interview with CNN in August 2010, ElBaradei insisted he was “not the new pharaoh.”

    “The level of frustration, fear and desperation has created this illusion that one person can deliver,” he said. “And this is really the major problem I am facing here, to get them to understand that you have to organize in grassroots fashion.

    “Take charge of your own life, that is really the basic message I am sending to people.”

    This year many seem to be listening.

  12. Jan, that was a good article you posted. But if Egypt turns out well, what do you wanna bet BO gets credit? Enough of the media still spins for him, so many times he’s screwed up, and they twist it to make him a hero. The most glaring example jumping to my mind was when he was “caught” going to the racist church for 20 years – so, does he apologize? No, he gives a “historical speech” about OUR supposed racism, and most people don’t even notice that he took the focus off of his trangression. Likewise, if this turns out well, I wouldn’t be surprised if many people aren’t noticing his dithering, and will say that his earlier Cairo speech (that someone else wrote and he read) caused a successful Egyptian transfer of power 3 years later….

  13. repost to confloyd:

    Just listened to LIVE feed from Aljazerra. The NY correspondent Mona ElTahiq(sp)from Cairo when asked about Mohammed Elbaradei. She gave a positive response about him. She said, he doesn’t represent all groups. He basically represents an organic grass roots group of the people. She did not mention the MB at all or associate him as their leader.

    You can listen to the live feed here and decide for yourself:

    http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
    _______________________

    Admin:

    I see no word from Hillary calling Elbaradei a “wolf”. I’m sure she would have if she thought it was so- seeing he is involved in negotiating the removal of Mubarek and most likely involved in the transition of the Egyptian government afterwards. Saying Elbaradei is the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood is really a disingenuous assessment and misleading to all who read here.

  14. Hillary:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_EGYPT?SITE=OKOKL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton refused to speculate on the future of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak or his teetering government. But U.S. officials, she said, “obviously want to see people who are truly committed to democracy, not to imposing any ideology on Egyptians.”

    She warned against a takeover resembling the one in Iran, with a “small group that doesn’t represent the full diversity of Egyptian society” seizing control and imposing its ideological beliefs. [snip]

    Left largely unsaid is the growing fear that a government hostile to the U.S. could gain control of such a large and important Arab nation.

    The U.S. wants to see “real democracy” emerge in Egypt, Clinton said, “not a democracy for six months or a year and then evolving into essentially a military dictatorship or a so-called democracy that then leads to what we saw in Iran.” [snip]

    While Clinton did not voice support for a continued Mubarak reign or any other political party, she outlined U.S. expectations from any future government.

    There has to be a commitment by whoever is in the government that they will engage in a national dialogue with the people of Egypt, with the aim at taking actions that will meet the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people for more participation, for respect for human rights, for the universal human rights they are entitled to, for economic reforms that will give more opportunity,” she told reporters traveling with her to Haiti on Sunday.

    Asked if she thought Mubarak had taken the necessary steps so far to hold on, Clinton said: “It’s not a question of who retains power. . It’s how are we going to respond to the legitimate needs and grievances expressed by the Egyptian people and chart a new path. Clearly, the path that has been followed has not been one that has created that democratic future, that economic opportunity that people in the peaceful protests are seeking.”

  15. Close Call for King Tut: The Break-In at Cairo’s Prized Museum
    EmailPrint..By RANIA ABOUZEID / CAIRO Rania Abouzeid / Cairo – Sun Jan 30, 1:45 pm ET
    The break-in at Cairo’s Egyptian Museum could have been a disaster of historic proportions, a repeat of the rape of Baghdad’s multi-millennial heritage after Iraq’s equivalent museum was looted in 2003. It wasn’t. But only thanks to sheer dumb luck.

    On Friday, Egypt’s government declared a 6 p.m.-to-7 a.m. curfew. The much detested riot police, who had fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters all day, suddenly withdrew from the streets at around the start of the curfew, including from their positions guarding Cairo’s famed antiquities museum in the heart of the capital, on Tahrir Square, which is the epicenter of the uprising against President Hosni Mubarak. Immediately, Egypt became a police state without police. (See scenes of Egypt’s unrest.)

    The museum had been closed all day because of the street demonstrations, but after virtually all police abandoned their posts, “people began to enter the museum,” says Zahi Hawass, head of Egypt’s antiquities department. They climbed over walls, forced open doors and entered the museum’s vast souvenir shop. “I’m glad that those people were idiots,” Hawass told TIME. “They looted the museum shop. Thank God they thought that the museum shop was the museum.”

    The Egyptian Museum itself is extraordinary, the repository of many of the country’s greatest ancient treasures, including those from Tutankhamun’s tomb, which take up nearly half of the second floor. It’s an obligatory stop for virtually every tourist; thousands each day gape at Tut’s exquisite golden death mask – displayed in a special room along with two of his three golden coffins and other pharaonic jewelry – and wander through a darkened gallery displaying a number of royal mummies. Elsewhere, there are stone statues of pharaohs and ancient Egyptian gods that reach heights of 20 ft. or more; intricately painted sarcophagi; papyri; brilliant blue faience animals and delicate glass objects; even mundane household objects made of wood or clay. Also on display is a 5,000-year-old stone carving known as the Palette of Narmer: not only does it feature one of the oldest known hieroglyphic inscriptions, but it is thought to depict the unification of upper and lower Egypt under the first pharaoh, Narmer.

    While many of the intruders were dazzled by the souvenir shop, a few others knew there was more to the museum. Nine of them apparently realized that the real treasures were elsewhere. They entered a room containing artifacts dating back to 500 B.C. The intruders broke into some 13 glass panel display cases as well as one case in the Tutankahmun exhibition. Hawass did not give TIME permission to view the destruction in the museum, which has been shut for the duration of the crisis. But video footage from several Arabic satellite networks, including al-Arabiya, showed shards of glass littering the floor and several artifacts carelessly tossed around, some resting on splinters, others haning out of display cases. “They were looking for gold,” Hawass told TIME, just like the grave robbers of old. (Is an end game being played out in Egypt?)

    The military, which has taken over security duties throughout Cairo and in many other cities, did not arrive on the scene until 10 p.m. In the meantime, ordinary Cairenes, aware of the security vacuum, flocked to protect the museum. “That was wonderful,” says Hawass. “The Cairo museum is like the place for our identity. If the museum is safe, Egypt is safe.”

    The citizens, as well as three police officers who refused to leave their posts, apprehended the nine alleged culprits as they tried to flee the museum with their loot, including two mummy skulls and a statue of Isis. Hawass says that nothing is missing from the museum although about 100 items were damaged – though not irreparably. “They’re easy to restore,” he says.

    The military is now securing the vast salmon-colored building and preventing onlookers from loitering in its vicinity. Built in 1902, the museum, until a decade or two ago, was anything but state of the art. It was dim and dusty, and a visitor would need a flashlight to read the faded, flyspecked labels. A new facility, the Grand Egyptian Museum – which is intended to hold many of the collection’s highlights, including Tut’s treasure – is currently under construction near the Pyramids at Giza. It is supposed to be finished in 2013. (Comment on this story.)

    Hawass says he expects the current museum to reopen in a few days. He knows that the episode could have had a very different ending. “Thank God they did not know where the gold is, because if they knew about the jewelry room, this could have been a disaster.” Just ask the director of the Iraqi museum.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110130/wl_time/08599204515500

  16. Fareed Zakaria interviewed El Baradei today on his show and asked him if he wanted to be president of Egypt. He said his interests lay in more global issues (and listed some) but that he wanted to help the country.

  17. admin
    January 30th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Hillary:
    _________________

    Yes, admin- I watched the video, recorded her statements on MTP and reread the statement you just posted. Nowhere to be found mentioning
    Elbaradei a “wolf. He doesn’t qualify under her remarks:

    “obviously want to see people who are truly committed to democracy, not to imposing any ideology on Egyptians.”

    Reading the post upthread @ 7:12pm reaffirms Elbaradei’s position on democracy and human rights.:

    “The priority for me is to — is to shift Egypt into a democracy, is to catch up with the 21st century, to get Egypt to be a modern and moderate society and respecting human rights, respecting the basic freedoms of the people.”

  18. Ah, the Q of E. Bottom line is you can forget she was ever mentioned re world affairs. Imagine if mentioning her were just a way of getting attention.

    =================

    Wrong kind of attention, though. She’s a conversation stopper, an eye-glazer.

    In reality, she’s a human brought up in the middle of a lot of power, and might very well have her own ideas and her own plots.

    It’s like Obama’s birth certificate. In reality, there could be none on file, or an embarrassing one (or at worst, one showing an unwed mothers’ home in Canada).

    But both are eye-glazers. It’s not crazy to think there might be something there. It’s crazy to think anyone would listen or care.

  19. from the protests in Alexandria. “Once the people in Egypt are finally free, we can destroy Israel”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-interviews-with-anti-mubarak-protesters-turns-into-anti-israel-anti-us-hatefest/

    “Woman #1 sets the stage for Woman #2:

    “All the people hate him. He’s supporting Israel! Israel is our enemy. We don’t like him…Israel and America supported him. We hate them all!”

    Woman #1 then explains that they will accomplish the removal of Mubarak by “revolution.”

    Then the guy that follows them takes it up a notch by explaining that when the people in Egypt are finally free they will be able to “destroy Israel”

  20. #
    BigCatLover
    January 30th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Fareed Zakaria interviewed El Baradei today on his show and asked him if he wanted to be president of Egypt. He said his interests lay in more global issues (and listed some) but that he wanted to help the country.
    _______________________

    El Baradei has my attention because he wouldn’t LIE for Bush to help him sell the Iraq War! For that, his life was made a living HELL!

  21. Sorry, went off too fast. Of course the difference is that Filipine revolution HAD a leader from the beginning, Aquino herself, so it didn’t make a vacuum for extremists to rush into.

  22. tim
    January 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    from the protests in Alexandria. “Once the people in Egypt are finally free, we can destroy Israel”
    ___________________

    Alexandria is the region where the Muslim Brotherhood were leading the protests as well as locating a contingent in Yemen at the base of the Suez Canal.

    If they keep up this hatefest, it’s good enough reason for Israel to use their nukes if they have to defend themselves.

  23. Mrs. Smith, we have not written that Elbaradei is “the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood”. We did say he is now acting as their spokesman. [Our exact quote: “The spokesman for the wolves is now Mohamed El-Baradei who makes common cause with the Muslim Sisterhood Brotherhood.“]

    For substantiation we linked to an article which references Reuters and other sources (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/stunner-muslim-brotherhood-announces-they-will-support-el-baradei/ )

    Reuters reports:

    http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFLDE70T0B020110130

    Egyptian opposition forces have agreed to support opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei to negotiate with the government, a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood said on Sunday.

    “Political groups support ElBaradei to negotiate with the regime,” Essam el-Eryan told Al Jazeera television.

    As the DailyCaller reports http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-27/muslim-brotherhood-could-win-in-egypt-protests-and-why-obama-shouldnt-worry/

    Egypt’s new opposition leader, former International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed ElBaradei, has formed a loose alliance with the Brotherhood because he knows it is the only opposition group that can mobilize masses of Egyptians, especially the poor. He says he can work with it to change Egypt. Many scholars of political Islam also judge the Brotherhood is the most reasonable face of Islamic politics in the Arab world today. Skeptics fear ElBaradei will be swept along by more radical forces.

    ElBaradei in one sense does not have much of an alternative in that the Muslim Brotherhood is the biggest and most organized opposition force in Egypt due in large part because it has been banned since 1952. It might be opportunism on ElBaradei’s part. The question then becomes when will ElBaradei disengage from the Muslim Brotherhood? If he can’t keep away from them now, how will he be able to disengage later?

    We have also not claimed that Hillary has called Elbaradei a wolf. That is our characterization. Perhaps he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, but still a wolf – if he does not disengage from the Muslim Brotherhood.

    What ElBaradei must explain is how the opposition can seize power from Mubarak and then throw out of the coalition the powerful Muslim Brotherhood after Mubarak is gone. That’s going to be near impossible.

    The Muslim Brotherhood will not be a force for modernization in Egypt. ElBaradei cannot use them now and then expect later they will go away nicely.

  24. I don’t trust El Baredei until I see what he actually about, yes he was against the Iraq war, ok, but what else and where else does he stand, he does not support Isreal, and supports Iran. Frankly, I don’t think anything is a clear cut one way or another, I don’t trust him until I see more information on him, so far he doesn’t seem an extremist, but that really doesn’t mean much in that region, there are just shades of extremism, and we have yet to learn where he sits on that spectrum.

  25. BTW Mrs. Smith, that is a good quote you posted. If ElBaradei truly has as a goal an Egypt that catches up to the 21st century that is all to the good. What he said per your quote is excellent. We hope that not only is in his head but in his heart.

    Our question as to how he gets rid of the Muslim Brotherhood once they help him get power is still operative.

  26. The boobery from Obama has been ceaseless. From the first Obama pandered to Arabs and Muslims and snubbed Israel. Obama thought that if he strapped on a ukulele and sang “Tip Toe Through The Tulips With Me” the gangs governments of the Middle East would sing along.

    ———-
    The image of TinyTim Obama is too darn funny Admin!

    The boobery from Obama has been ceaseless. From the first Obama pandered to Arabs and Muslims and snubbed Israel. Obama thought that if he strapped on a ukulele and sang “Tip Toe Through The Tulips With Me” the gangs governments of the Middle East would sing along.

    Off to finish reading.

  27. George W. Bush is on Brain Lamb’s Q and A on c-span and he just said he believes women are going to lead the move for peace in the Middle East and he and Laura want to be part of that.

    Mindboggling.

  28. “The Muslim Brotherhood will not be a force for modernization in Egypt. ElBaradei cannot use them now and then expect later they will go away nicely.’
    _______________

    Egypt has to play with the cards they are dealt if they are not going to receive intervention from an honest broker such as the US (Hillary) who can control the balance and outcome of their negotiations.

    Hillary would have to speak to ElBaradei herself and ask him the question of how will Egypt proceed to be a democracy if the Muslim Brotherhood is involved. My clearest thoughts are this. I believe the Muslim Brotherhood are about Sharia Law. They may not be breathing a word of it now, but it’s going to be the centerpiece of their argument later on.

    If the new Egyptian government doesn’t acquiesce to their wishes, Egypt will becomes another battle zone. That is an inevitable fact.

    I do not believe ElBaradei is acting on their behalf and I do not believe he is for anything representing Sharia Law. I believe he stands for a democracy in his country.

    The problem is and will remain ‘cutting the cat away from the kittens’ and getting rid of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood would be a problem with or without the existence of ElBaradei. But to label him a ‘wolf’ just yet, I believe, is a bridge too far.

  29. ElBaradei cannot use them now and then expect later they will go away nicely.

    Well, Obama’s trying that with the bots! lol

  30. What is anyone else going to do about the MB’s either?

    No, I’m not rooting for ElBaradei or anyone else. Insufficient data.

  31. I’m going to bed, this flu is coming back with a vengeance, my nose is running like a river, my throat is killing me, my side hurts and i feel nauseous, looks like round 2 is coming on.

  32. ElBaradei cannot use them now and then expect later they will go away nicely.

    Well, Obama’s trying that with the bots! lol

    ============

    LOL! And it’s working.

  33. admin:

    “Our question as to how he gets rid of the Muslim Brotherhood once they help him get power is still operative.”
    ____________________

    ElBaradei made a statement earlier tonight posted by BigCatLover:

    BigCatLover
    January 30th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Fareed Zakaria interviewed El Baradei today on his show and asked him if he wanted to be president of Egypt. He said his interests lay in more global issues (and listed some) but that he wanted to help the country.
    ___________________________

    I’m sure the man has to be a little frightened he is in over his head having the Muslim Brotherhood backing him. I read a blog today saying, he didn’t ASK for their help but he’s stuck with it-

    He is the last person in the world I would want to be right now.

  34. Right on Admin!!

    I have been watching the news on AJ off and on since Friday since they have the most news on Egypt…so far.

    The one image that brought a smile to my face was a young women with a knitted winter cap on, not a freaking burqua, not a massive head scarf hiding every loc, but a little cap that showed some dark curls.

    I not only cheered inside to see some ladies in the protest, but a young woman protesting for her freedom along with the sea of men.

  35. Huh. Not sure to make of this.

    http://debka.com/article/20608/

    “Muslim Brotherhood directs Hamas gunmen from Gaza to battle Egyptian forces in Sinai”

    “Hamas’s armed wing, Ezz e-Din al Qassam, crossed from Gaza into northern Sinai Sunday, Jan. 30 to attack Egyptian forces and push them back. They acted on orders from Hamas’ parent organization, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, confirmed by its bosses in Damascus, to open a second, Palestinian front against the Mubarak regime. The Muslim Brotherhood is therefore more active in the uprising than it would appear.

    DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Hamas gunmen went straight into battle with Egyptian Interior Ministry special forces (CFF) in the southern Egyptian-controlled section of the border town of Rafah and the Sinai port of El Arish. Saturday, Bedouin tribesmen and local Palestinians used the mayhem in Cairo to clash with Egyptian forces at both northern Sinai key points and ransack their gun stores”

  36. Confloyd
    He was answering questions from students from MSU and he was asked what gets you up in the morning. After he made some jokes I was only half listening when out popped that statement. Maybe it’s a cause of Laura’s.

  37. Mrs. Smith,

    I would like to believe that ElBaradei is the person you think he is but I just don’t know. At this point I am seeing him as an opportunist and agree with admin’s analysis.

    Whether he wants it or not, the Muslim Brotherhood is supporting him. As they are the largest opposition, I have to wonder where he would be without them.

    As well, the Brotherhood is already playing the heavies and moving Hamas and other terrorist groups like a game of chess. Being Jewish this worries me very much. Being a humanist, I worry also about the people of Egypt, not the ones who want to destroy Israel, but the honest and decent ones.

    So until I see some honest brokering on his part, I am going to hold off on giving him a positive rating.

  38. Krugman:
    The Philippine example may also serve as a useful model for what to expect if the [Egyptian] revolution succeeds. The Philippines didn’t turn into Sweden; there was still plenty of corruption, democracy remains imperfect, etc. — none of which changes the fact that getting rid of Marcos was a very good thing.

  39. BCL,
    Maybee soooo, LOL! Although old George can’t be all bad…he loves his dogs….he went out and played with his dog the night before he had to put the dog down because of arthritis….you just can be all bad if you would take time out from being President to do that…of coarse, you could say he had nothing to do but take vacations and play with his dogs…oh that’s Barry! It’s hard to distinguish between the two of them. LOL!

  40. BTW, I thought Hillary looked good today, she must be getting a little more sleep,how I don’t know, since she seems to be working 16 or more hours a day 7 days a week. She has to have a sturdy constitution to look good under that kind of pressure.

  41. El Baradei would be a disaster. He complete failure on the Iraniun nukes should give caution to anyone who thinks this guy would be an improvement.

  42. #
    JanH
    January 30th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    I would like to believe that ElBaradei is the person you think he is but I just don’t know. At this point I am seeing him as an opportunist and agree with admin’s analysis.

    Whether he wants it or not, the Muslim Brotherhood is supporting him. As they are the largest opposition, I have to wonder where he would be without them.

    As well, the Brotherhood is already playing the heavies and moving Hamas and other terrorist groups like a game of chess. Being Jewish this worries me very much. Being a humanist, I worry also about the people of Egypt, not the ones who want to destroy Israel, but the honest and decent ones.

    So until I see some honest brokering on his part, I am going to hold off on giving him a positive rating.
    ______________________

    I don’t know if you have ever sat for a jury trial; but to make an informed decision, rather than shooting first and asking questions later, both sides of the argument have to be made and heard and a verdict drawn when the arguments are over.

    By and large people are inclined to believe the worst about someone rather than looking with an objective eye at all the facts and mitigating circumstances and then make a decision.

    All I wanted to accomplish today was give his point of view gathered from his own quoted words, prepared to have him stand fast on those words and give him the chance to prove himself one way or another. It’s the only way one has to be a fair and just to someone who’s intentions have not been borne out recently right or wrong in the light of day.

    I think this is a good place to leave Mr ElBaradei and let Mr ElBaradei’s actions do the talking for him.

  43. I appreciate your efforts, Mrs. Smith.

    ——————-

    “I think this is a good place to leave Mr ElBaradei and let Mr ElBaradei’s actions do the talking for him.”

    ——————-

    I agree.

  44. jbstonesfan
    January 30th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    El Baradei would be a disaster. He complete failure on the Iraniun nukes should give caution to anyone who thinks this guy would be an improvement.
    ————————-
    Israeli intelligence shares your view. And of course the Muslim Brotherhood endorsed him.

  45. Krugman:
    The Philippine example may also serve as a useful model for what to expect if the [Egyptian] revolution succeeds. The Philippines didn’t turn into Sweden; there was still plenty of corruption, democracy remains imperfect, etc. — none of which changes the fact that getting rid of Marcos was a very good thing.
    ———————————–
    The Phillipines? A useful model? Useful to whom? Useful to what? Was the Phillipines a hotbed of Muslim extremism during the reign of Juan Marcos? Are the cultural histories of the two places similar? Was the Phillipines in danger of becoming a theorocracy? Was the Phillipines a fulcum country in the Middle East? This model is useless, Paul. Stick to economics. Stay away from politics. You haven’t the knack for it. And your love for Obama blinds you to reality.

  46. El Baradei may or may not have his head in the clouds. He talks about wanting to turn Egypt into a 21st century nation and that is music to the ears of westerners and global elites of which he is most definitely himself a part. But what is the situation on the ground makes that well nigh impossible? What is the birth rate is high, the literacy rate is low, there is a legacy of authoritarianism, terrorist forces abound, and the majority of people hue to an eighth century religion? What then? Since Paul Krugman is a man who admires models, even though he invariably chooses the wrong one, if you want to be optimistic forget about the Philippines and consider the case of South Africa. Could this guy be a Mandella? Or could he even be someone like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman_the_Magnificent. Many people were seduced into believing that Obama was such a man whereas today the smart ones understand he is a boob on the one hand and a wall street shill on the other. But in no event is he a leader, or someone who is capable of creating significant positive change. Could this guy El Baradei turn out to be a great man, rather than a jet setting elitist. It is a long shot.

  47. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood eyes unity gov’t without Mubarak
    Opposition group says will exclude reigning President’s National Democratic Party from talks; Mohammed ElBaradei: I have been mandated by the people.

    By News Agencies
    Tags: Egypt protests Israel news

    The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s largest opposition group,is in talks with other anti-government figures to form a national unity government without President Hosni Mubarak, a group official told DPA on Sunday.

    Although the Muslim Brotherhood is officially banned from running for elections for parliament, some movement members have presented candidacy for parliament as independents.

  48. Cairo: Anger starting to focus on Israel, US

    By BY MELANIE LIDMAN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT IN CAIRO
    01/30/2011 21:47

    Reporters Notebook: “Where is your democracy?” protesters ask in anti-American, anti-Mubarak rallies.

    Talkbacks (77)
    CAIRO – Saturday’s optimism on the streets of Cairo for imminent political change gave way to anger on Sunday, as thousands of demonstrators became increasingly frustrated with the lack of response from major world leaders, especially the US.

    During the main protest on Sunday in downtown Cairo, one man painted a 20- meter-long message in flowing Arabic cursive that echoed across the square: “Go Away, Mubarak, you are from the Americans, and you’re working for them!”

    RELATED:
    ElBaradei: ‘They stole our freedom,’ demands regime change
    Fighter jets swoop over Cairo protests in show of force

    Egyptians understand that the world is waiting to see if President Hosni Mubarak falls to popular pressure before major leaders decide which side to support. But this is infuriating the demonstrators, who realize that six days of unrest have not accomplished their goal and that they need united international pressure in order to topple the almost-30-year incumbent.

    The protests have lacked a clear leader to unite them and provide an alternative to Mubarak, and demonstrators are beginning to focus their wrath not just on Mubarak and the country’s widespread corruption, but also on the United States and, to a lesser extent, Israel. They blame Israel and the US for supporting a government because it is convenient for them, not because it is good for the Egyptian people.

    “The USA does not support democracy; they’re supporting Israel, which is like their baby,” said Ahmed, a 26-year-old Cairo resident. “They think Egypt is functional because it’s in favor of their considerations.”

    “I don’t care if we have peace [with Israel] or not,” Ahmed continued, echoing the indifference of many demonstrators who don’t have a clear agenda for what they want a future Egypt to look like, as long as it does not include Mubarak. “But will Israel allow us to have a real president? For example, Turkey elected an Islamic government, but it was their choice. Will Israel give us the freedom to make the same choice?” he asked.

    Demonstrators are relying on the foreign press to get their message to Obama.

    “Isn’t this democracy?” they asked me over and over when I said I was a journalist from America, incredulous that the country held as the pinnacle of world democracy could ignore such widespread popular sentiment.

  49. I think one could reasonable replace Roosevelt’s name at the end with Hillary’s…
    ********

    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

    There is a telling detail in the US retail chain store data for December. Stephen Lewis from Monument Securities points out that luxury outlets saw an 8.1pc rise from a year ago, but discount stores catering to America’s poorer half rose just 1.2pc.
    Tiffany’s, Nordstrom, and Saks Fifth Avenue are booming. Sales of Cadillac cars have jumped 35pc, while Porsche’s US sales are up 29pc.
    Cartier and Louis Vuitton have helped boost the luxury goods stock index by almost 50pc since October. Yet Best Buy, Target, and Walmart have languished.
    Such is the blighted fruit of Federal Reserve policy. The Fed no longer even denies that the purpose of its latest blast of bond purchases, or QE2, is to drive up Wall Street, perhaps because it has so signally failed to achieve its other purpose of driving down borrowing costs.
    Yet surely Ben Bernanke’s `trickle down’ strategy risks corroding America’s ethic of solidarity long before it does much to help America’s poor.

    The retail data can be quirky but it fits in with everything else we know. The numbers of people on food stamps have reached 43.2m, an all time-high of 14pc of the population. Recipients receive debit cards – not stamps — currently worth about $140 a month under President Obama’s stimulus package.
    The US Conference of Mayors said visits to soup kitchens are up 24pc this year. There are 643,000 people needing shelter each night.
    Jobs data released on Friday was again shocking. The only the reason that headline unemployment fell to 9.4pc was that so many people dropped out of the system altogether.
    The actual number of jobs contracted by 260,000 to 153,690,000. The “labour participation rate” for working-age men over 20 dropped to 73.6pc, the lowest the since the data series began in 1948. My guess is that this figure exceeds the average for the Great Depression (minus the cruellest year of 1932).
    “Corporate America is in a V-shaped recovery,” said Robert Reich, a former labour secretary. “That’s great news for investors whose savings are mainly in stocks and bonds, and for executives and Wall Street traders. But most American workers are trapped in an L-shaped recovery.”
    It is no surprise that America’s armed dissident movement has resurfaced. For a glimpse into this sub-culture, read Time Magazine’s “Locked and Loaded: The Secret World of Extreme Militias”.
    Time’s reporters went underground with the 300-strong `Ohio Defence Force’, an eclectic posse of citizens who spend weekends with M16 assault rifles and an M60 machine gun training to defend their constitutional rights by guerrilla warfare.
    As it happens, I spent some time with militia groups across the US at the tail end of the recession in the early 1990s. While the rallying cry then was gun control and encroachments on freedom, the movement was at root a primordial scream by blue-collar Americans left behind in the new global dispensation. That grievance is surely worse today.
    The long-term unemployed (more than six months) have reached 42pc of the total, twice the peak of the early 1990s. Nothing like this has been seen since the World War Two.
    The Gini Coefficient used to measure income inequality has risen from the mid-30s to 46.8 over the last quarter century, touching the same extremes reached in the Roaring Twenties just before the Slump. It has also been ratcheting up in Britain and Europe.
    Raghuram Rajan, the IMF’s former chief economist, argues that the subprime debt build-up was an attempt – “whether carefully planned or the path of least resistance” – to disguise stagnating incomes and to buy off the poor.
    “The inevitable bill could be postponed into the future. Cynical as it might seem, easy credit has been used throughout history as a palliative by governments that are unable to address the deeper anxieties of the middle class directly,” he said.
    Bank failures in the Depression were in part caused by expansion of credit to struggling farmers in response to the US Populist movement.
    Extreme inequalities are toxic for societies, but there is also a body of scholarship suggesting that they cause depressions as well by upsetting the economic balance. They create a bias towards asset bubbles and overinvestment, while holding down consumption, until the system becomes top-heavy and tips over, as happened in the 1930s.
    The switch from brawn to brain in the internet age has obviously pushed up the Gini count, but so has globalization. Multinationals are exploiting “labour arbitrage” by moving plant to low-wage countries, playing off workers in China and the West against each other. The profit share of corporations is at record highs across in America and Europe.
    More subtly, Asia’s mercantilist powers have flooded the world with excess capacity, holding down their currencies to lock in trade surpluses. The effect is to create a black hole in the global system.
    Yes, we can still hope that this is a passing phase until rising wages in Asia restore balance to East and West, but what it if it proves to be permanent, a structural incompatibility of the Confucian model with our own Ricardian trade doctrine?
    There is no easy solution to creeping depression in America and swathes of the Old World. A Keynesian `New Deal’ of borrowing on the bond markets to build roads, bridges, solar farms, or nuclear power stations to soak up the army of unemployed is not a credible option in our new age of sovereign debt jitters. The fiscal card is played out.
    So we limp on, with very large numbers of people in the West trapped on the wrong side of globalization, and nobody doing much about it. Would Franklin Roosevelt have tolerated such a lamentable state of affairs, or would he have ripped up and reshaped the global system until it answered the needs of his citizens?

  50. Demonstrators are relying on the foreign press to get their message to Obama.

    “Isn’t this democracy?” they asked me over and over when I said I was a journalist from America, incredulous that the country held as the pinnacle of world democracy could ignore such widespread popular sentiment.

    =================

    This is tragic. US spokesmen lead people on to start their own revolutions — then the US does not support them.

    Bush and the Kurds, Iran last year, now this.

  51. I wanna laugh…………

    Piers Morgan sees CNN show ratings crash

    Piers Morgan has seen ratings for his new CNN chat show plummet by 75% since its debut two weeks ago.

    The Life Stories star only managed to attract 498,000 viewers to Thursday’s edition of Piers Morgan Tonight, a substantial drop from the 2.1 million that tuned in to watch him interview Oprah Winfrey on January 17.

    Morgan, who probed reality stars Kim and Kourtney Kardashian in the poorly-received instalment, finished behind rival talk show hosts Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow, as well as a CNBC supermarket documentary in the 9pm slot.

  52. Something significant happening :

    U.S. Sec. of State Clinton calls top envoys from nearly all 260 embassies to unprecedented mass meeting Mon. – AP

    ………………..

    This is indeed odd.

  53. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jy_YaBEZhgyfaj9iBGzH_zqct7Tg?docId=299bd50d25dc4b8e8172542ca00a00db

    Clinton convenes mass meeting of US ambassadors

    (AP) – 31 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors.

    The top envoys from nearly all of America’s 260 embassies, consulates and other posts in more than 180 countries will be gathering at the State Department beginning on Monday. Officials say it’s the first such global conference.

    The gathering comes at a time of crisis in Egypt that could reshape dynamics in the Middle East, fallout from leaked diplomatic documents and congressional calls for sweeping cuts in foreign aid.

    Although the meeting has been called to discuss U.S. foreign policy priorities for 2011, officials say Clinton plans to meet personally with ambassadors from front-line states to hear about developments on the ground. Officials also expect that specific concerns about the WikiLeaks revelations will be raised.

  54. I think the shit is hitting the fan to say the least, this is not normal. You don’t do this unless there is going to be real major landscape change on the horizon.

    Hillary wants ahead of the loop on this while Bambi floats round in fields of poppies.

    Expect a major shitfest of 2011.

    Communications are obviously not secure….that is the most worrisome.

  55. I wonder has Wikileaks done so much damage thats how we didnt see this full fledged Middle East uprising because no-one is talking after the Wikileaks debacle. The flow of intelligence may well have dried up hence this thing hitting us like a baseball bat round the head.

  56. mop: Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting
    **
    Unprecedented that AP is calling an accomplishment of Hillary’s “unprecedented”
    ——————————————
    This morning, NBC New York has employed the catch-phrase “Egypt Unrest” when reporting on the turmoil there.
    Guess they’ve been given word to cool the rhetoric.
    Which brings me to the following gem via Axelrod who said “We’ve learned some lessons.” The phrase was spoken within this context:

    … When Republicans stormed to victory in November, most notably by winning a majority in the House, the White House was reeling. The sense was that the problem went beyond the plodding recovery of the economy, or the unpopular interventions by the government to help or the giant health care law that swallowed up so much time and debate. It was that Obama the campaigner had lost his connection with the people. A White House in emergency fix-it mode got caught up in means, not ends. Less hope, more process. That ate at message-man Axelrod, who, like Obama, can’t help but show exasperation about today’s rapid-fire news coverage and the attention paid to political winners and losers. “It was very hard to control the narrative in a way that you would like,” Axelrod said. “I think we’ve been better at it in the last 60 days, for sure. We’ve learned some lessons.”….
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/31/axelrod-way-weve-learned-lessons/

    Repeated for emphasis: It was very hard to control the narrative … I think we’ve been better at it in the last 60 days, for sure.

  57. I don’t remember where I saw it said that some US news media are going to downplay events by calling it ‘Egypt unrest’.

    I guess that’s to keep us from expecting Obama to actually DO anything.

  58. moononpluto,

    I read that report about HRC assembling all ambassadors. That is strange. Evidently it’s the first time any SOS has done this. It’ near the top of the page at Drudge with a pic of her striding up an airliner ramp. D@mn but she looks presidential.

    All the attention she’d been getting the past few days must have Mo in a knot.

    Hope you’re flu is better today

  59. ElBaradei is a wolf, a Noble Prize Wolf. I hope the people of Egypt figure him out.

    I didn’t read all the comments but when I read some that seemed favorable to ElBaradei I went back and got this comment from NOQuarter and copied it whole to post here – I hope that is ok.

    Someone named armymom posted it:

    http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=2469

    Iran Funding El-Baradei Campaign in EgyptPosted by Ryan Mauro on May 20th, 2010

    Well, that explains why Mohamed El-Baradei was so lenient on Iran when he was head of the IAEA. El-Baradei is probably going to run for president of Egypt, and has reportedly met with Muslim Brotherhood members. Now, the Arab press reports he is getting funding from Iran.
    From MEMRI:
    According to the daily Al-Siyassa, known for its opposition to the Iranian regime, a senior Iranian official delivered a check in the sum of seven million dollars to a businessman close to Mohamed ElBaradei. The transaction, it was reported, took place in Bucharest, and was intended to fund the latter’s campaign in the Egyptian presidential elections. The daily said that the Iranian official had promised to provide ElBaradei with any assistance necessary to ensure that he win the elections, including information to be used against the incumbent, President Mubarak.
    Source: Al-Siyassa (Kuwait), May 15, 2010

  60. This ought to scare you all…..

    Rumor has it that US foreign policy mechanism was basically murdered by wikileaks and is in shambles, apparently there are admiissions to some reporters off the record that they have NO idea what is happening on the ground, NO one is talking to the intel people and they are having extreme trouble rebooting broken liaisons, NO idea how far it is going and how far it has spread. In other words, Wikileaks killed off the early warning embassy intelligence network.

  61. Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Birthday

    January 30th is the birthday of one of America’s greatest Presidents. Every January 30, from 1934 until his death, FDR celebrated his birthday by holding a Birthday Ball to help raise the necessary funds for the research and treatment of polio.

    We share with you his address to the 1944 Birthday Ball; a reminder of a President who had a commitment to the future of humanity.

    Great photos and portrait. Great words (FDR’s only here).
    Really a Hillary Clinton kind of guy!

    5 minutes
    http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17357

  62. gonzotx
    January 31st, 2011 at 3:24 am

    If Only Mubarak Had Invested In High-Speed Rail

    Ah, ha ha – loved it. Win the future, win the future!

  63. If anyone is interested, I wrote a post this morning which is basically a response to Krugman’s post that says that Cairo is parallel of Manila 1986
    http://www.correntewire.com/cairo_echo_manila

    Moononpluto, that DOES scare me. Where have you heard it?
    *Rumor has it that US foreign policy mechanism was basically murdered by wikileaks and is in shambles*

  64. ohanson
    January 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Birthday

    That insurance executive descendant of FDR who sat on the Rules and Bylaws Committee has forever tarnished the name of Roosefelt.

    Too Bad.

  65. Moon,
    I listened to a little bit of an interview with Julian Assange….apparently he is a Palin hater which makes him a bot…I wouldn’t be surprised if Assange was working for Obama thru Soros or something like that….

  66. just saw that an interesting take on this convention by Fox: They are implying this is a open move of strength, positioning Hillary for a 2012 Dem Primary Challenge.

  67. Moon,
    Please let this be true….maybe she now realizes she has to save us??? It is weird though, it comes right after Julian Assange interview yesterday!

  68. Haiti – USA : The marathon of Hillary Clinton

    31/01/2011

    Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, arrived Sunday afternoon at the Toussaint Louverture International Airport of Port-au-Prince, in order to promote the implementation of the recommendations of the Organization of American States (OAS) and try to find a solution to the political crisis in Haiti.

    In the plane which led to Haiti, Secretary of State, responding to reporters she said “We’ve made it very clear we support the OAS recommendations and we would like to see those those acted on.”

    Recall that the post-election crisis arose from disputes following the publication of preliminary results of the first round, which gave the candidate Mirlande Manigat and Jude Célestin winner. A result called into question because of widespread fraud and irregularities which were confirmed by the audits of the experts from the Mission of the Organization of American States (OAS), intervened at the request of President René Préval. The findings of this report recommends, among other things, the exclusion of the government candidate, Jude Célestin, arrived in second position in favor of Michel Martelly, candidate came in third position.

    The visit of the Secretary of State was decided after the announcement of the Platform INITE of the withdrawal of its candidate (Jude Célestin) and after that the Provisional Electoral Council indicated that it had not received any request of withdrawal from the candidate, leaving the situation in the deeper uncertainty.

    Hillary Clinton was greeted on her arrival by the U.S. Ambassador to Haiti, Kenneth Merten. She met with Edmond Mulet, the head of the UN Mission for Stabilization in Haiti (Minustah).

    Hillary Clinton has denied rumors saying that the United States will suspend their aid following the recent statements of Susan Rice, the highest representative of the United States within the United Nations (UN), who stated that a continued support from her country would depend on the implementation of the recommendations of the OAS. Following this statement, several Haitian officials, including leaders of INITE and the candidate Michel Martelly had interpreted this statement as a threat of embargo and the cessation of aid from the United States.

    Secretary of State has met individually, the 3 presidential candidates, Michel Martelly, Jude Célestin and Mirlande Manigat, at the residence of the Ambassador of the United States. She first met with the candidate Michel Martelly before receiving Ms. Mirlande Manigat and Jude Célestin. No statements were made after these various meetings. A source close, said that Mrs. Clinton had argued the U.S. position, that meetings were held in a relaxed atmosphere and the Secretary of State had not exerted pressure.

    Mrs. Clinton also met with leaders of civil society and private sector members prior to meet for nearly an hour with President Préval. All it was possible to know of this meeting is that discussions have brought, among other things, on the end of the mandate of Haitian President and the candidate Jude Célestin. No other credible informations has filtered about this interview.

    http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-2245-haiti-usa-haiti-usa-the-marathon-of-hillary-clinton.html

  69. votermom
    January 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am
    If anyone is interested, I wrote a post this morning which is basically a response to Krugman’s post that says that Cairo is parallel of Manila 1986
    http://www.correntewire.com/cairo_echo_manila

    Moononpluto, that DOES scare me. Where have you heard it?
    *Rumor has it that US foreign policy mechanism was basically murdered by wikileaks and is in shambles*

    There are 2 major differences between Manila in 1986 and Cairo today:

    1. There were no riots, vandalism and looting in Manila in 1986

    The only reason the US intervened was that Marcos cannot claim that the protestors were just agitators and hoodlums because the protests were peaceful. Any violence on the streets coming from the protestors gives Mubarak some cover.

    2. The military establishment abandoned Marcos

    With the military being neutral, it will be hard to topple Mubarak.

  70. Israel agrees to some Egyptian troops in Sinai
    (AP) – 4 hours ago

    JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli officials said Monday that they have agreed to let Egypt move several hundred troops into the Sinai peninsula for the first time since the countries reached peace three decades ago.

    With street protests threatening the Egyptian regime, the officials say that Israel allowed the Egyptian army to move two battalions — about 800 soldiers — into Sinai on Sunday. The officials said the troops were based in the Sharm el-Sheikh area on Sinai’s southern tip, far from Israel.

    Under the 1979 peace treaty, Israel returned the captured Sinai to Egypt. In return, Egypt agreed to leave the area, which borders southern Israel, demilitarized. The arid peninsula lies between Egypt’s mainland and Israel, and Israel was worried about an Egyptian invasion then.

    Now, as the unrest in Egypt has spread, Israeli officials have grown increasingly concerned about the stability of their southern neighbor. They are especially worried that Palestinian militants could take advantage of the unrest to smuggle weapons into the Gaza Strip through tunnels under the Egypt-Gaza border.

    The Israeli officials spoke Monday about the troop movements on condition of anonymity because Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has banned the government from discussing the situation in Egypt.

    There was no confirmation from Egypt, and David Satterfield, the director general of an independent 12-nation monitoring force in Sinai, refused to comment.

    Netanyahu said Sunday that Israel is “anxiously following” the developments in Egypt — reflecting Israel’s concern that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s days in power could be limited. Mubarak has been a key ally for Israel, strictly honoring the peace treaty during his 30 years in power and frequently acting as a bridge between Israel and the Palestinians to the broader Arab world.

    Israeli President Shimon Peres said “we always have had and still have a great respect” for Mubarak. “I don’t say everything that he did was right, but he did one thing for which all of us are thankful to him: He kept the peace in the Middle East,” Peres said Monday.

    In an interview, international Mideast envoy Tony Blair said Monday that a change in Egypt’s leadership appears inevitable. “Change will happen. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle now,” he said.

    The former British prime minister did not say explicitly whether Mubarak should step down. He said it’s important that Egypt holds proper elections and that any transition be peaceful.

    “People want to get to a position where the Egyptian people are able to express their will in free and fair elections,” he said. “But I think the watchword is change with care, because at the same time we have to make sure any change occurs with stability and order.”

    In particular, he said he was concerned that unrest in Egypt could disrupt the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

    Blair represents the international “Quartet” of Mideast peacemakers — the U.S., the European Union, Russia and the United Nations — which is set to gather next week to discuss stalled peace efforts between Israel and the Palestinians.

    He acknowledged the unrest in Egypt has put Western powers, especially the U.S., in the difficult position of choosing between a longtime ally and a grass roots protest movement demanding more freedom.

    “I think when people criticize America over this, they’re being a bit unfair,” Blair said, adding that President Barack Obama has handled the crisis in “the only way he can.”

    “That’s why the sensible thing to do is to partner the process of change and make sure we get the right change, with order,” he said.

    Blair said the focus of the upcoming Quartet meeting would be to get the sides talking again, a task he acknowledged has become more difficult by the situation in Egypt.

    Negotiations have been stalled for more than three months because of disagreements over Israeli settlement construction in areas claimed by the Palestinians.

    “I think there’s one key issue really that is necessary to revive direct negotiations and get this process back under way, and that is to give credibility to the notion that we want a Palestinian state,” Blair said.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hRdalDsFuzglh-hOazukYzC3-NTA?docId=903f1cb182c04fc48b7ae86c48c4d95b

  71. I really wish this man would run for president again…

    Huckabee: Jews should be able to live ‘anywhere in Israel’

    By JONAH MANDEL
    31/01/2011

    During a visit to the Mount of Olives for a cornerstone-laying ceremony in a Jewish east Jerusalem neighborhood, likely US presidential candidate Mike Huckabee asserted that Israelis should be able to live “anywhere in Israel they wished to live.”

    “It is inconceivable in many ways that we would have to even argue and debate whether or not Israelis could live in Israel, not just in parts of Israel but anywhere in Israel they wished to live,” Huckabee added. “I cannot imagine as an American being told that I could not live in certain places in America because I was Christian, or because I was white, or because I spoke English. I would be outraged if someone told me that in my country, I would be prohibited and forbidden to live in a part of that country, for any reason.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=206057

  72. Betty, thanks for the link.

    Just for the sake of gathering more info, I googled ElBaradei and Soros. I found a treasure trove of information more than I ever expected because of the surprise information contained.

    This could be it folks.

    After reading the info contained in this article; it falls in with moons post here:

    #
    moononpluto
    January 31st, 2011 at 10:46 am

    just saw that an interesting take on this convention by Fox: They are implying this is a open move of strength, positioning Hillary for a 2012 Dem Primary Challenge.
    ____________________

    Now we know what they know….

    ________________________________

    Here goes:

    Mohamed ElBaradei: Globalist Pied Piper Of The Egyptian Revolt
    Paul Joseph Watson

    Saturday, January 29, 2011

    The revolt in Egypt is an organically driven people-power movement to oust a dictator, restore universal freedoms, and wrestle the country free from the clutches of the US military-industrial complex, but the man now being positioned to form a new government is a pied piper working for the very same globalists and NGO’s that autocrat leader Hosni Mubarak has dutifully served for nearly 30 years.

    Make no mistake about it, under the current regime Egypt is a vassal state for the NEW WORLD ORDER. Under Mubarak, the country receives some $2 billion in aid every year from the United States, second only to Israel. In addition, Egypt pays out $1.1 million annually to the PODESTA GROUP, an organization closely tied with the Obama administration, to act as “foreign agents” for Mubarak’s regime.

    Mubarak’s loyalty to the US empire was reciprocated this week when Vice-President Joe Biden ludicrously asserted that Mubarak’s unbroken 30 year reign did not represent a dictatorship and that he was a close ally of the west.

    “Egypt under Mubarak uses its billions in U.S. military aid to detain, beat and torture dissenters, opposition politicians and journalists; many have died in custody,” writes Mark Zepezauer. “Thousands of political prisoners and pro-democracy activists are held in overcrowded, disease-ridden prisons, without charges or trials. Press restrictions, including newspaper shutdowns, are widespread.”

    Which is why it makes no sense whatsoever for the CIA to be involved in contriving a series of riots that would destabilize and threaten to topple a regime loyal to them. This is not the type of staged “color revolution” that we’ve witnessed before in places like Georgia, the Ukraine or Yugoslavia – orchestrated events disguised as spontaneous uprisings intended to remove rogue leaders hostile to the global elite’s agenda for world government.

    This is a grass roots movement being carried out by impoverished young Egyptians finally standing up in unison to a regime that toadies to the west yet allows its people none of the freedoms associated with living in a modern and prosperous nation. But that doesn’t mean the revolution we currently see unfolding on the streets of Alexandria, Cairo, Suez cannot be co-opted by the very same globalist forces who have been pulling Mubarak’s strings for the past three decades.

    The US military-industrial complex has known for at least three years that Egypt was teetering on the verge of regime change, and they certainly were not going to let anyone outside parties take control after Mubarak’s fall. That’s why the American Embassy trained rebel leaders to infiltrate opposition groups from the very beginning, as the Telegraph reveals today.

    Enter former top UN official and staunch Mubarak adversary Mohamed ElBaradei, who recently returned to Cairo in a bid to lead the protest movement.

    ElBaradei serves on the Board of Trustees of the International Crisis Group, who today issued a press release protesting the decision on behalf of Egyptian authorities to place ElBaradei under house arrest.

    International Crisis Group is a shadowy NGO (non-governmental organization) that enjoys an annual budget of over $15 million and is bankrolled by the likes of Carnegie, the Ford Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation,

    as well as George Soros’ Open Society Institute. Soros himself serves as a member of the organization’s Executive Committee. In other words, this is a major geopolitical steering group for the global elite.

    The fact that their man ElBaradei is being primed to head up the post-Mubarak government should set alarm bells ringing in the ears of every demonstrator who is protesting in the name of trying to wrestle Egypt away from the clutches of new world order control.

    Indeed, even Mubarak himself is now seemingly catching on to the understanding that his usefulness to the global power elite has run its course, remarking during a national address Saturday that the protests were “part of a bigger plot to shake the stability and destroy the legitimacy” of the political system.

    Even more ironic is the fact that another powerful globalist who sits on the board of International Crisis Group, Zbigniew Brzezinski, warned last year that the international hierarchy of which he is a key component was under threat from a “global awakening” that would be led by young radicals in third world countries. Having accurately predicted the wave of revolt now spreading like wildfire across the globe, Brzezinski and his fellow globalists are preparing to pick up the pieces in order to continue business as usual, while the people who risked their lives for real change will be the victims of a monumental deception. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    If the Egyptians are successful in toppling Mubarak, only to replace him with ElBaradei, they will have achieved nothing, and the eventual outcome will merely see Egypt remain as a subservient client state of the US military-industrial complex.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/mohamed-elbaradei-globalist-pied-piper-of-the-egyptian-revolt.html
    ________________________

    In sum, our own administration is as corrupt as any Third World Country’s. Obama’s connections in particular. This may be one of the reasons hopefully used for Obama’s removal.

  73. Thanks for the research Mrs. Smith.

    ————-

    jbstonesfan,

    I read that earlier. It comfirms my negatives for this wannabe messiah.

  74. Hard to believe today this info is falling in my lap…

    Can’t say I didn’t give him the benefit of the doubt!

    more here citing US involvement:
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    Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising

    The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

    By Tim Ross, Matthew Moore and Steven Swinford 9:23PM GMT 28 Jan 2011
    1497 Comments
    The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

    On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

    The secret document in full (find at original link)

    He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.

    The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.

    The disclosures, contained in previously secret US diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, show American officials pressed the Egyptian government to release other dissidents who had been detained by the police.

    Mr Mubarak, facing the biggest challenge to his authority in his 31 years in power, ordered the army on to the streets of Cairo yesterday as rioting erupted across Egypt.

    Tens of thousands of anti-government protesters took to the streets in open defiance of a curfew. An explosion rocked the centre of Cairo as thousands defied orders to return to their homes. As the violence escalated, flames could be seen near the headquarters of the governing National Democratic Party.

    Police fired rubber bullets and used tear gas and water cannon in an attempt to disperse the crowds.

    At least five people were killed in Cairo alone yesterday and 870 injured, several with bullet wounds. Mohamed ElBaradei, the pro-reform leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner, was placed under house arrest after returning to Egypt to join the dissidents. Riots also took place in Suez, Alexandria and other major cities across the country.

    William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, urged the Egyptian government to heed the “legitimate demands of protesters”. Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, said she was “deeply concerned about the use of force” to quell the protests.

    In an interview for the American news channel CNN, to be broadcast tomorrow, David Cameron said: “I think what we need is reform in Egypt. I mean, we support reform and progress in the greater strengthening of the democracy and civil rights and the rule of law.”

    The US government has previously been a supporter of Mr Mubarak’s regime. But the leaked documents show the extent to which America was offering support to pro-democracy activists in Egypt while publicly praising Mr Mubarak as an important ally in the Middle East.

    In a secret diplomatic dispatch, sent on December 30 2008, Margaret Scobey, the US Ambassador to Cairo, recorded that opposition groups had allegedly drawn up secret plans for “regime change” to take place before elections, scheduled for September this year.

    The memo, which Ambassador Scobey sent to the US Secretary of State in Washington DC, was marked “confidential” and headed: “April 6 activist on his US visit and regime change in Egypt.”

    It said the activist claimed “several opposition forces” had “agreed to support an unwritten plan for a transition to a parliamentary democracy, involving a weakened presidency and an empowered prime minister and parliament, before the scheduled 2011 presidential elections”. The embassy’s source said the plan was “so sensitive it cannot be written down”.

    Ambassador Scobey questioned whether such an “unrealistic” plot could work, or ever even existed. However, the documents showed that the activist had been approached by US diplomats and received extensive support for his pro-democracy campaign from officials in Washington. The embassy helped the campaigner attend a “summit” for youth activists in New York, which was organised by the US State Department.

    Cairo embassy officials warned Washington that the activist’s identity must be kept secret because he could face “retribution” when he returned to Egypt. He had already allegedly been tortured for three days by Egyptian state security after he was arrested for taking part in a protest some years earlier.

    The protests in Egypt are being driven by the April 6 youth movement, a group on Facebook that has attracted mainly young and educated members opposed to Mr Mubarak. The group has about 70,000 members and uses social networking sites to orchestrate protests and report on their activities.

    The documents released by WikiLeaks reveal US Embassy officials were in regular contact with the activist throughout 2008 and 2009, considering him one of their most reliable sources for information about human rights abuses.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

  75. The Muslim Brotherhood inserted itself when word of the uprising came.

    The fact remains, how to get rid of them. However, for now, they are a separate entity from the Soros clan. If Soros joins hands with them, well, the only word that comes to mind is…. bloodbath.

  76. AND NOW, FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT…

    A post that does not have the word Egypt in it…Ooops! I just said “Egypt”. Dang, said it again.

    I used to reliously watch The McLauglin Group, but recently it’s sometimes hard (even JM is sometimes too easy on Zerobama). But I had the show on while getting ready for my chilly bike ride, and they covered the State of the Onion speech, and I was quite surprised. Even the Obama-supporting panelists were quite tepid in the grades. Mainly C, and B- type assessments, that it was flat, a retread, unoriginal.

    The only “positive” assessment was a left-handed compliment from Monica Crowley, that at least Obama was being honest about him being a big-spending liberal.

    But Eleanor Clift, JM, etc., were underwhelmed with the substance and the style.

    Also, Saturday’s column by Charles Blow of the NYT pointed out how Obama did not touch upon “the poor” in his speech at all.

    EGYPT.
    EGYPT.
    MUBAREK.

    Heh, heh.

  77. It’s time for Hillary to make her move. There is too much at stake for all of us if we have to wait for her to be drafted or run for election. Hillary is the only one who can sort this thing out and level the playing field once ad for all.

  78. “If Soros joins hands with them, well, the only word that comes to mind is…. bloodbath.”

    —————-

    That is exactly what I am wondering.

  79. A couple days ago, I noted that the Cairo elites believed that the United States was involved in fomenting this upheaval in Egypt. . . . This was stated as a conclusion with no supporting facts . . . I speculated at the time that this belief was based on the Cairo speech which was a call for dramatic change, and a dog whistle to the radical forces to move forward with their plans to overthrow repressive regimes in the Middle East and we would either not intervene or lend them our support. Also the speech was viewed as a withdrawal of support for Israel. You would never know this of course by googling that speech, What you find there is alot of revisionist history which implies that Bambi single brought peace and stablility to the region when in fact the opposite is true.

    I also speculated at the time that in the days ahead, we would find that the belief of the Cairo elites that the Obama Administration machinations to overthrow our ally Mubarak–and partner in peace efforts in the middle east would go much deeper than a single speech and that in the fulsomeness of time, AJ would reveal the truth which our own big media, obsessed with its own power calculations to control not merely the American Political system, but no less the world would censor for its own self preservation. Until now I never fully realized the scope of their megalomania.

    There is a new article out entitled “What the US, Unions and New Media Companies are Doing To Foment Chaos In Egypt”. This provides further insight on why the Cairo Elites believe this to be the case. We learn, among other things, that there was a plan to overthrow Mubarak by 2011, that it was developed at a seminar held at Columbia Law School in 2008 and that leaders in the Obama campaign were among the panelists. We learn further of that an activist in that effort was snatched at the Cairo Airport and was taken to the United States where he provided information to think tanks (presumably, Brookings and the Soros Open Society Institute inter alia) called Obama Administration. The source of that piece of evidence was wikileaks. And we learn that this Alliance has since organized itself into a 501(c)(3) for the ostensible purpose of identifying, connecting and supporting youth activists from around the world who want to use techonology to drive social change.

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is the mirror image of the Obama campaign in the United States in 2008 is it not? But it is a myopic to see it as an isolated event. Rather, it is part and parcel of a pattern which Soros–Obama’s biggest backer has used in half a dozen other venues around the globe. I have described the critical elements–the use of social media to build an army of supporters who appear at critical times and then vanish, swarming which is a concept developed by the Rand Institute, the enlistment of the media, and all the rest. The ostensible purpose for this is to build parliamentary democracies, but in each case what you end up with is crony capitalists in charge. Immelt and investment banker Bill Daley are simply the American versions. The initial goal is always to loot. The ultimate goal is to create a global market with superannuating political bodies. That is part of what Cass Sunstein is working on now. Big media is a beneficiary so it is very much in their interest to breath not a word of it, but instead to cover it up.

    Which brings us back to the sorry subject of Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. Inasmuch as this is a US inspired operation, however tentatively and contradictory it may seem given their public comments, it is ridiculous to compare this situation to the Phillipines. Worse however it is materially misleading–and done intentionally. The apt comparison is the other colors revolutions which Soros has pursued in other venues, which succeeded in some cases and failed in others. They succeeded in places like Georgia (the rose revolution) and Ukraine (the orange revolution), and allowed Soros to brag to journalists that the old Soviet Empire was now the Soros Empire. Within government these are referred to as colors revolutions to indicate collaboration between Soros and the CIA). Yet they failed in the Middle East in places like Lebanon (Cedars Revolution) and Iran. Those, I would submit, are the relevant models, far more so than the Phillipines.

    Ironically, what the United States once did with troops (the banana wars), or assassinations (Allende in Chile 1976) they now do through the internet and the colors revolutions models. A couple years ago on this blog, Confloyd, Mrs. Smith and I published a document detailing the working elements in a colors revolution and noted how those exact same tactics were applied in the Democratic Primary while most people were fixated on one little part of the grand scheme–Allinsky street oranizing. This is a strategy which melds together that essential element, with a compliant media and a major internet effort to bring down the existing order, be it the leadership of a political party, or a government. It relies on a charismatic leader, simple chants, mass marches. And behind the whole fucking thing who do we find? Why the crony capitalists of course.

    ________________

    Here then is the link:

    http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/01/30/the-american-lefts-role-in-leading-mid-east-regime-change/

    And here is one relevant passage:

    As the world watches Egypt crumble into chaos, with over 100 dead and 2000 injured, the Obama administration continues to be somewhat and rather curiously ambivalent. On the one hand, on Friday, Vice President Biden came to the defense of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, saying that he shouldn’t step aside. Yet, on the same day, the Telegraph (ala Wikileaks) reported that the U.S. had planned “regime change” for the “past three years” while both President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton demand that internet be restored to the Egyptian protesters. This morning, Secretary of State Clinton again clarified the United States’ official position, ”We do not want to send any message about backing forward or backing back.”

    For all the lack of clarity on where the Obama administration stands, one thing is becoming more and more clear: Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting.

    If it is indeed the case that the Obama administration, with help by private-sector companies and the union movement has led an “internet revolution” in the middle east and toppled two governments within a month, the longer-term ramifications for U.S. relations with other allies such as Saudi Arabia and certain other Arab monarchies, could prove to have much more far-reaching consequences.

  80. MORE ON SOTU

    nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/bad_start_on_s1zsvvQoaAfO8f9AmjVQyL

    A bad start on 2012
    =================
    Bam’s shtick is getting old

    By MICHAEL A. WALSH

    Last Updated: 9:00 AM, January 27, 2011

    Fresh off his Tucson triumph, President Obama laid an egg Tuesday night in his State of the Union speech. Fittingly, it came on the same day that Hollywood announced the Oscar nominations. Campaign 2012 is off to a bad start.

    If Washington, as the saying goes, is Tinseltown for ugly people, then the State of the Union Address is the Academy Awards. Today, they’re both showbiz, in which the main event is a speech.

    And not just a speech but a script for the coming political battles. Obama’s Chicago brain trust of David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel has already returned to the Windy City, campaign headquarters for 2012, trying to figure out a way to mask his reckless radicalism and fool the public just one more time — and then have a clear four years to fully implement their “fundamental transformation” of America.

    Alas, the law of diminishing returns has kicked in. Even as it makes fewer films every year, Hollywood has upped the number of nominees in the Best Picture category from five to 10. And while the State of the Union may once have actually been about the country, today it’s a campaign speech — a wish list of programs that will never be implemented, of pies that will stay resolutely in the sky.

    The Middle East is on fire, the economy is in shambles, the government borrows 40 percent of the money it’s currently spending, trillion-dollar deficits threaten the foundations of our society and untouchable “entitlements” like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will eventually devour the federal budget (in fiscal 2009, they accounted for 39 percent of total federal spending, far more than defense) — and what does the president talk about?

    Spending even more nonexistent money on things like education and green technology.

    It’s long past time for someone to stand up and say that these things are not the proper sphere of government. Obama’s belated celebration of American exceptionalism — part of his well-choreographed but patently phony “pivot” to the center — ignores the fact that American exceptionalism has nothing whatsoever to do with government.

    Thomas Edison didn’t need a government program to invent the phonograph, the movie camera or the light bulb. All he needed was his own genius.

    As for education, experience has shown that there is little to no correlation among the amount of public spending, the quality of the education and the achievement of the pupils. And yet still the president persists in peddling this myth.

    Does anybody seriously believe that, within 25 years, 80 percent of the population will have access to high-speed rail? Yet that was one thing Obama promised Tuesday night in a tedious, droning address that was widely and bipartisanly panned: Veteran progressive journalist Robert Scheer called it “platitudinous hogwash,” and even the usual media cheerleaders couldn’t muster much enthusiasm for it.

    Perhaps it came too soon on the heels of the memorial service/pep rally in Arizona, which featured whooping college students, a logo and souvenir T-shirts to punctuate the somber atmosphere.

    The president has recently experienced a bump in the polls. Some attribute that to his “successes” in the lame duck, others to the Tucson speech. But off last night’s evidence, it’s more likely because, like a good actor, he knew enough to get off the stage over the holiday break. When speechifying is your only talent, you shouldn’t go to the well too often — and yet you must go the well too often.

    That’s the conundrum facing Axelrod & Co. — who must realize that what worked in 2008 today seems tired, shopworn and predictable. Because, as Tuesday night reminded us, a little of Obama goes a long way.

  81. POOR PEOPLE AT THE BACK OF OBAMA’S BUS

    nytimes.com/2011/01/29/opinion/29blow.html?_r=1&ref=charlesmblow

    Hard-Knock (Hardly Acknowledged) Life
    =================================

    By CHARLES M. BLOW
    Published: January 28, 2011

    President Obama made history on Tuesday.

    It was only the second time since Harry S. Truman’s State of the Union address in 1948 that such a speech by a Democratic president did not include a single mention of poverty or the plight of the poor.

    The closest Obama got to a mention was his confirmation for “Americans who’ve seen their paychecks dwindle or their jobs disappear” that, indeed, “the world has changed. The competition for jobs is real.” I’m sure they appreciated that.

    The only other Democrat not to mention poverty in the speech was Jimmy Carter in 1980, but even he was able to squeeze in one reference to at least a portion of the poor and disenfranchised, stressing the continuation of jobs programs to “provide training and work for our young people, especially minority youth.” (Carter did mention the poor in a written version that he submitted to Congress.)

    John F. Kennedy didn’t say the specific words “poor” or “poverty” in his first State of the Union, but he talked at length about providing “more food for the families of the unemployed, and to aid their needy children,” securing “more purchasing power for our lowest-paid workers by raising and expanding the minimum wage” and of a new housing program to address the problem of “cities being engulfed in squalor.”

    So how is it that this Democratic president has the temerity to deliver a State of the Union address that completely neglects any explicit mention of the calamitous conditions now afflicting his staunchest supporters: the poor?

    (In 2008, Obama won 73 percent of the vote of those earning less than $15,000 a year, 60 percent of those earning between $15,000 and $30,000 and 55 percent of the vote of those earning $30,000 to $50,000. Those were his widest margins of victory of any income group and helped to propel him to victory.)

    He talked at length about education (the most inspiring part of the speech) and about civility and his repackaged bromides of global competitiveness and investments in the future. And, of course, there were cautious mentions of programs that benefit seniors and the need to protect and secure them. Can’t forget the plea to the old people.

    Protecting programs for seniors strikes the right chord morally and politically, but the data show that seniors are not the ones feeling the majority of the pain these days.

    According to data from the Census Bureau, the percent of people ages 18 to 64 who were living in poverty in 2009 was higher than it had been in any year since 1959, while the percent of seniors living in poverty was lower than it had been in any year since at least 1959.

    (By the way, voters over 65 were the only age group that Obama lost in 2008.)

    I, for one, refuse to believe that this is an either-or proposition. We can make smart choices about protecting seniors and supporting younger Americans in need at the same time. We don’t have to ignore the Annies among us to court the Miss Daisys.

    For the poor, this is the Obama Conundrum. He was obviously the best choice in 2008. And judging by the current cast of Republican presidential contenders, he could well be the best choice in 2012. But does that give him license to obviate his moral responsibility to his electoral devotees? Can and should they take his snubs as a necessary consequence of political warfare as he makes every effort to tack back to the middle and reconnect with those whose opinion of him vacillates between contempt on a bad day and sufferance on a good one? Does keeping him in the White House dictate keeping them in the shadows?

    And things could get even worse for the poor if the president feels the need to cut too many deals with the new Republican-led House in order to appear more centrist.

    According to Brian Miller, the executive director of the nonpartisan and Boston-based group United for a Fair Economy and co-author of the group’s report entitled “State of the Dream 2011: Austerity for Whom?” released earlier this month, “austerity measures based on the conservative tenets of less government and lower taxes will ratchet down the standard of living for all Americans, while simultaneously widening our nation’s racial and economic divide.”

    As Miller put it, deficits that tax cuts for the rich helped to create “are being used to justify a host of austerity measures that will harm Americans of all races but will hit blacks and Latinos the hardest.”

    According to Miller, “With 42 percent of blacks and 37 percent of Latinos lacking the funds to meet minimal household expenses for even three months should they become unemployed, cutting public assistance programs will have devastating impacts on black and Latino workers.”

    (Obama won 95 percent of the black vote and 67 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2008.)

    Even as my respect for this president as a shrewd politician has begun to rebound, my faith in him as a fervent crusader for the poor and disenfranchised has taken yet another nose dive. One’s tone-deafness — or blatant indifference — to the poor has to be at Black American Express status to brag that “the stock market has come roaring back” and “corporate profits are up” and not even mention the unemployment rate or the continuing foreclosure crisis.

    I want to believe that President Obama’s speech omissions were oversights, not acts of arrogance. But I’m not sure.

    President Truman wrote in 1953 that, “ultimately, no President can master his responsibilities, save as his fellow citizens — indeed, the whole people — comprehend the challenge of our times and move, with him, to meet it.” But, it is sometimes hard to follow — indeed, to chase — a president who appears to be moving, often at a full sprint, away from the people who once carried him.

  82. wbboei,

    I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but this continues to boggle my mind. The evil and corruption here is astonishing.

  83. To me, now the picture is complete… and more dangerous. I am very concerned for Israel. They need an assist from Jordan and the US if this alliance with the MBs, Soros and Breziniski takes place.

    Now it becomes crystal clear the position we are in having a president
    that favors Palestinians over Israel.

  84. The relevant link from Redstate never made the connection directly to Soros. That was the most important piece of the picture making the corollary to Soros supersede in importance to the connection of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    ElBarabi is a Soros puppet who met with the Muslim Brotherhood 6 mos ago most likely at Soros and Brzezinski’s request.

  85. #
    JanH
    January 31st, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    It also links to obama wanting to sit down with all of the U.S.’s enemies, i.e. Iran.
    ________________

    The Podesta-Obama link to Mubarek is very damaging. Obama funds Egypt with Taxpayer dollars sent as Foreign Aid, then turns around using that money (over a million dollars) for paying Podesta’s company as an agent to Mubarek’s interests.

  86. I knew I wasn’t seeing the MBs close to ElBarabi. What I was seeing was a barrier there not a close contact. The picture completes itself now that the operations revealig the plans Soros has for Egypt. Soros may have the MBs in his back pocket ready to unleash them if ElBarabi is not the next president.

    Don’t forget, what Soros wants, Obama wants-

  87. If you have a minute view the Tarpley video.

    He has good information on where the CiA is playing in all this. He feels Aljazeera is a venue under UK control. Also, he knows more than he’s saying, not wanting to jump the gun if perhaps it might upset covert operations going on behind the administration.

    He dislikes Obama and wants him gone as much as we do.

  88. Well this is confusing to me…so if the State Dept. was arranging for this…how does this bode for Hillary??

    I don’t understand the significance of calling all Ambassadors in for a face to face! No SOS has ever done this….this shows her power??? I don’t understand unless she’s doing this without Bambi’s approval!

    Sure looks like the globalist have their hand in it…El Baradei said yesterday he was not interested in the Presidency of Egypt, he interests are more global….well he just told us who he’s with with that statement.

  89. Jan-

    you have to understand, I have a Jewish last name, as well as a son with the same name. Always know where my heart is- besides home.

  90. how does this bode for Hillary??

    Hillary has the backstory. This is within the realm of her job. It’s her call running the State Dept.

  91. Not sure if this was already posted…

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors.

    The top envoys from nearly all of America’s 260 embassies, consulates and other posts in more than 180 countries will be gathering at the State Department beginning on Monday. Officials say it’s the first such global conference.

    The gathering comes at a time of crisis in Egypt that could reshape dynamics in the Middle East, fallout from leaked diplomatic documents and congressional calls for sweeping cuts in foreign aid.

    Although the meeting has been called to discuss U.S. foreign policy priorities for 2011, officials say Clinton plans to meet personally with ambassadors from front-line states to hear about developments on the ground. Officials also expect that specific concerns about the WikiLeaks revelations will be raised.

  92. “El Baradei said yesterday he was not interested in the Presidency of Egypt, he interests are more global….well he just told us who he’s with with that statement.”
    ____________________

    The Neo-Cons, uppity Republicans and Soros are interested in the New World Order and now, the most corruptible Democrats on the face of the Earth.

  93. Shadowfax-

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors.
    ___________________

    Sharing confidential information F2F rather than the former conventional communiques which were submitted to wikileaks.

    Hillary wants her diplomats all on the same page.

  94. Jan-

    Now you know the real reason Emanuel (and Axelrod) left Obama. They must have given him a preliminary briefing on the plans to remove Mubarek and he could not bring himself to participate in the most vile and underhanded plotting conjured up by Soros and his clan, told to Obama, get it done.

  95. Yes Mrs. S.
    Hillary knows how to handle the situation and lay down the law so they don’t have rogue Ambassadors putting the St Dept. in the cross hairs.

  96. Sorry still fighting this flu but glued to Al Jazeera live on mid east satellite uncut. Interesting to say the least.

  97. However Israel today letting Mubarak put his troops in Sinai for the first time today in over 30 years is going down like shit down a drain. Mubarak being called “Israel’s and America’s puppet”

  98. White House scrambles to keep up with crisis

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48492.html

    The eruption in Egypt has left White House officials scrambling to manage a major international crisis after briefly enjoying their best run in more than a year.

    “We’re struggling to figure all this out,” said a top official who was among the many White House advisers who spent the weekend calibrating the public and private diplomacy. President Barack Obama’s closest aides are buoyed by a political resurgence, an embryonic but apparently real economic recovery and a White House reorganization that most West Wingers applaud.

    But now these officials fret that new instability in the Middle East could distract from the jobs and innovation message that the president started pushing in his State of the Union address; dim hopes for a breakthrough in the peace process; and, most worrisome of all, stall the economy if the revolutionary tsunami spreads to other Arabian states, driving up the price of oil.

  99. Syria next? Opposition groups there are actively using Facebook and twitter to urge protests beginning Saturday

  100. Janh, yes but by Israel helping Mubarak they will hasten his downfall faster, the best thing they really can do at present is sit back and keep quiet until the stones fall where they may.

  101. moon,

    But how can they sit back if it means an invasion into Israeli territory by the “bad guys.” I agree with you about Mubarak, but I think it is too late.

  102. This is significant.

    Statment by the Egypian Army in the last few minutes : We, The Egyptian army considers the people’s demands ‘legitimate’.

    That does not sound good for Mubarak.

  103. Janh, yes they should stay at the border and protect it, no dispute on that but letting Mubaraks guys into Sinai…bad idea, its neutral territory for Military

  104. Gibbs is not giving me any confidence that Obama has any fucking clue how to handle this, its the primaries all over again. “Yeah, What Hillary said”

  105. But now White House officials fret that new instability in the Middle East could distract from the jobs and innovation message that the president started pushing in his State of the Union address; dim hopes for a breakthrough in the peace process; and, most worrisome of all, stall the economy if the revolutionary tsunami spreads to other Arabian states, driving up the price of oil.
    ————————–
    So . . . . they lit the fuse, but are struggling to understand why the bomb exploded. Notice too, how everything they do revolves NOT around what is best for the country, but what is best for GE AND the re election campaign. There is a word for this. The word is corruption. The people’s demands are legitimate? Which demands? What people? This is a way to try to isolate the radicals. In other words, it is tactical. It is what you or I would say in this situation. But it commits them to nothing specific–like free elections in six months–which I would not do either. The question is how invested is the brotherhood in this thing, how far have they infiltrated the military, and as with everything else which faction in the military prevails. In Russia, 1917 was not a good year. The Czar fell in May, a quasi democratic government was instituted but bad economic conditions continued and by October the democratic government fell to the Bolsheviks. To the young idiots who have a superficial text book driven understanding of the world and now believe the world is their oyster because they they have the internet the take away might be this: the devil you know is sometimes better than the devil you get through your sophomoric machinations.

  106. Maybe I am a crackpot, (I’m not Jewish), but I wish Israel would pack up everything important to them, even temples and sacred dirt, and bring it over to the US, set up their own area if they want, and get them out of the middle-east. It is too darn dangerous for them to be surrounded by enemies. If these countries all turn to radical extremists, it will be the beginning of WWIII. How many people will die???

    It would sure be a lot easier protecting Israel over here, then that hot bed from Hell.

    I don’t see this as a concession with the morons that want to attack Israel, I see it as a way to save their lives and the only way there will ever be Peace.

    Just my 2 cents.

  107. moononpluto

    Gibbs is not giving me any confidence that Obama has any fucking clue how to handle this, its the primaries all over again. “Yeah, What Hillary said”

    ———
    No shit.

  108. Gibbs on Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt: “We do not have contact with them”

    ……………

    He may live to regret lying about that one.

  109. Shadowfax,

    I understand where you are coming from. It does make sense in a strange way. However, if you ever have the opportunity to visit Israel, I hope you will do so. There is a beautiful and spiritual atmosphere there that is amazing. The history for the Jewish people and the land they have struggled to build on is second to none. For those of us who have gone there, it is almost like a homecoming. The Jewish people need a land of their own, and contrary to some opinions, history shows that the land they have is rightfully theirs.

    If you take it a step further, Muslims, Nazis, and other Jew haters, who are determined to destroy the Jewish race entirely, would simply follow them to the U.S. if they were to move.

  110. JanH

    I understand what you are saying, I do have a lot of friends that live there, and I understand the need to have their own place.

    I just can’t see such a tiny country trying to survive when every one around them wants to attack them. If all the surrounding countries work together and attack Israel, there is no way they will be able to defend themselves without other countries getting into the war, it will be massive.

    I also wish America would give real land and rights back to Native American’s. Help them economically, instead of the illegals that run over the border and cost us billions in tax money.

    Some things are easy solutions, but mankind sometimes creates their own problems causing unnecessary deaths.

  111. Shadowfax,

    I think Israel is in more peril now than it has been in years. I’m sure Hillary would protect them, but obama not so much.

  112. This is not good for us, really not good.

    Israel shocked by Obama’s “betrayal” of Mubarak

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/31/us-egypt-israel-usa-idUSTRE70U53720110131

    JERUSALEM | Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:54pm EST

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) – If Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak is toppled, Israel will lose one of its very few friends in a hostile neighborhood and President Barack Obama will bear a large share of the blame, Israeli pundits said on Monday.

    Political commentators expressed shock at how the United States as well as its major European allies appeared to be ready to dump a staunch strategic ally of three decades, simply to conform to the current ideology of political correctness.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told ministers of the Jewish state to make no comment on the political cliffhanger in Cairo, to avoid inflaming an already explosive situation. But Israel’s President Shimon Peres is not a minister.

    “We always have had and still have great respect for President Mubarak,” he said on Monday. He then switched to the past tense. “I don’t say everything that he did was right, but he did one thing which all of us are thankful to him for: he kept the peace in the Middle East.”

    Newspaper columnists were far more blunt.

    One comment by Aviad Pohoryles in the daily Maariv was entitled “A Bullet in the Back from Uncle Sam.” It accused Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of pursuing a naive, smug, and insular diplomacy heedless of the risks.

  113. Gibbs on Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt: “We do not have contact with them”

    ……………

    He may live to regret lying about that one.

    ——-

    What he meant was we have no DIRECT contract with them that I am aware of or want to know about. Ergo my denial is plausible. But what he said is not credible. When the truth comes to light what will he say then? Oh, him? I had no idea he was a member of the muslim brotherhood. I will have to look into that and get back to you. And Tapper, smack that he is, will leap forward and say: well, if that is President Obama’s position, then we in big media must take it as gospel.

  114. Israel has to help Murbarak as they cannot stand by while Egypt becomes radicalized. Israelis will be blamed either way, but cannot allow 30 yrs of peace with Egypt to evaporate overnight.

  115. JanH

    Shadowfax,

    I think Israel is in more peril now than it has been in years. I’m sure Hillary would protect them, but obama not so much.

    ——-
    Hillary has always supported Israel, and she would do everything she could to prevent an attack, but if Egypt and it’s neighbors fall into more radical hands, the clock will start ticking.

    Barry is only for himself, he never seemed to care about Israel.

  116. Israel has to help Murbarak as they cannot stand by while Egypt becomes radicalized. Israelis will be blamed either way, but cannot allow 30 yrs of peace with Egypt to evaporate overnight.
    ——————————-
    Absolutely right! They must help him but without appearing to do so.

  117. Rest easy boys and girls. Michelle and Valerie have got this whole thing under control and are coodinating with Rice to ensure the happiest of endings. Meanwhile Obama is in hiding, practicing his hoops. Or else–

  118. Shadowfax
    LOL. Bring Isreal to the US. But it’s all about the bible and history and where everyone thinks their religions began. This has been going on forever and no one seems to want to stop fighting over this little spot of land, unfortunately.

  119. confloyd
    January 31st, 2011 at 10:43 am
    Moon,
    I listened to a little bit of an interview with Julian Assange….apparently he is a Palin hater which makes him a bot…I wouldn’t be surprised if Assange was working for Obama thru Soros or something like that….
    **********************
    I watched the 60 minutes interview with Assange and he seemed to snarl when he said Hillary Clinton’s name. Maybe this is plain old misogyny.

  120. If Egypt/Murbarak fall and become hostile to Israel, you are looking at Jordan next….if that happens, it’s like 1967 all over again with Israel surrounded by enemies on all fronts. Israel could not defend herself in that hypothetical . The situtation would be similar to S. Korea/ N. Korea and we would have to post US troops in Israel to deter an attack ….a very frightening sitiuation.

  121. Meanwhile, Obama atill at 7.5% approval. He did not get a huge bump from SOTU, but his approval remains steady. If this current situation does not show a complete lack of leadership, I don’t know what will. How we (Americans) became so “dumbmified” is truly sad.

  122. jbstonesfan,

    It really looks like a done deal to me. obama is letting Mubarak fall through the cracks. Even though Mubarak has helped the U.S. for years, the people hate Mubarak, hate his dictatorship, his alliance with Israel. This is a mess and I would love for someone here to tell me how we get out of it.

  123. If the U.S. sends troops, they might be able to keep Mubarak in power and force him to adapt a democratic dogma.

    If the U.S. sends troops, Iran, Syria, et al will see this as an act of war and then all hell will break loose.

    If the U.S. continues to stand by and do nothing, Israel might be sacrificed.

    At the very least, I would like the U.S. to send troops to Israel for now.

  124. BigCatLover

    Shadowfax
    LOL. Bring Isreal to the US. But it’s all about the bible and history and where everyone thinks their religions began. This has been going on forever and no one seems to want to stop fighting over this little spot of land, unfortunately.

    —-
    I know BigCat, I am not a defender of the Bible and it’s stories beyond what is helpful in being good to one another. Religious beliefs cause more deaths to mankind with wars than any other man made conception.

    If there is a God up above, He must think His creations are mainly a bunch of thugs and idiots. 😉 “Why can’t they all just get along?”

  125. Let me get this straight – HRC did interviews for all the Sunday morning news shows yesterday, then flew to Haiti (which Fox is pounding her for today), then she flew back home today to meet with embassy staff members today. Yikes.

  126. #
    BigCatLover
    January 31st, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    confloyd
    January 31st, 2011 at 10:43 am
    Moon,
    I listened to a little bit of an interview with Julian Assange….apparently he is a Palin hater which makes him a bot…I wouldn’t be surprised if Assange was working for Obama thru Soros or something like that….
    **********************
    I watched the 60 minutes interview with Assange and he seemed to snarl when he said Hillary Clinton’s name. Maybe this is plain old misogyny.
    —-

    Yes, he went after Hillary and Sarah…sounds like misogyny when you combine ‘rape’ charges.
    The guy was a jerk on tv, I wanted to slap his smug mug.

  127. Gibbs on Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt: “We do not have contact with them”

    ……………

    He may live to regret lying about that one.

    ——-
    Moon–I FOUND THE PROOF THAT THE OBAMA REGIME LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    U.S. President Barack Obama met with members of Egypt’s Islamist opposition movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, earlier this year, according to a report in Thursday editions of the Egyptian daily newspaper Almasry Alyoum

  128. JanH

    Hearing that the U.S. marines are on their way to Cairo.
    ——-
    This, along with evacuations of American’s from Egypt makes me nervous and reminds me of the Iran hostage situation.

  129. Health Care Reform Struck Down in Florida District Court
    Posted Monday, January 31, 2011 2:59 PM | By David Weigel

    The decision is out now, and Judge Roger Vinson has basically struck down the entire health care bill. I’ll post the decision when I get it.

    The money graf, in which Vinson strikes down the entire law — which, because of the mess in the Senate and House, lacked severability:

    Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void. This has been a difficult decision to reach, and I am aware that it will have indeterminable implications. At a time when there is virtually unanimous agreement that health care reform is needed in this country, it is hard to invalidate and strike down a statute titled “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”

  130. Fox News is reporting that the US is trying to hold Egypt together long enough for a viable opposition to form and run for office in Sept. to avoid chaos. Shepard Smith and Jonathon Weisman are saying the MB are not strong enough to be a worry at this point because they have been in check for so many years.

  131. The more you learn about Obama’s ill conceived and badly executed machinations in the middle east the more this assessment rings true, and most of all the closing paragraph:

    “One would think after two years of humiliation and abuse at the hands of every petty dictator on the face of the earth this bunch would have arrived at the logical conclusion that they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. That they would realize that their actions so far looks far more like a high school campaign for homecoming queen than the foreign policy of THE superpower. But introspection and self-awareness requires intelligence and the imbeciles mismanaging our foreign policy are about to consign 82 million people to the perpetual darkness of islamic rule and they think they are being clever”.
    ———————————————————
    Obama Partners With The Muslim Brotherhood — What Could Go Wrong?
    Posted by streiff (Profile)
    Thursday, January 27th at 1:00PM EST
    11 Comments

    Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak’s son who is considered as his successor has fled to Britain along with his family, US-based Arabic website Akhbar al-Arab reported.

    […]

    The report came as violent unrest broke out in Cairo and other Egyptian cities and hundreds of thousands of people reportedly took to the streets in a Tunisia-inspired day of revolt.

    The long reign of Hosni Mubarak seems to be in its final decline and the next few weeks will probably determine to a great extent the security picture of the Middle East for a generation.

    While we should all applaud the removal of a dictator we should do so with the realization that the odds of the Obama Administration producing an outcome superior to that produced by Jimmy Carter in Iran approaches zero.

    As i’ve said many times, no historical analogy is ever exactly right but the parallels developing between the way the Carter administration betrayed the Shah of Iran are chilling.

    Yesterday, administration spokescritter, Joe Gibbs, effectively cut the legs out from under any legitimate use of force Mubarak may use to stay in power:

    Asked Wednesday whether the U.S. still supports Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs reiterated that Egypt remains “a strong ally” and stressed the importance of universal rights for the people of Egypt.

    “This isn’t about support or opposition to leaders – it’s about the support universal rights of assembly and expression. We criticize actions that restrict those values,” Gibbs told ABC News.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, there is no such thing as a universal right to assembly and expression. Even in the United States demonstrations must be orderly and lawful, when demonstrations move beyond those limits they become criminal and can be dispersed by force. Implying that demonstrations are de facto legal has the equal effect of delegitimizing any actions by the regime.

    According other reporting the Administration is prepared to increase pressure on Mubarak to “embrace democratic changes” but:

    Shadi Hamid, an expert on Islamist politics and democratic reform in the Middle East at the Brookings Institution, said the large pro-democracy protests may have broken the “psychological barrier of fear” among Egyptians.

    “The U.S. does not want to see the Egyptian regime fall any time soon,’’ Hamid said in a telephone interview. “But people who are protesting, the tens of thousands, do want to see the regime fall some time soon. They are diametrically opposed interests.”

    Mubarak knows any “democratic change” for him will more closely resemble what happened in Romania in 1989 than what happened in Prague at the same time.

    While the Carter Administration believed for reasons that have never been made clear that it could manage the accession of Ayatollah Khomeini to power, so too the Obama Administration seems to think it has found a working partner in the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Why the Administration believes cavorting with an organization that is both violent and islamist makes sense is as unclear as Carter’s man-crush on Khomeini.

    The Administration clearly feels that it is sympatico with the Muslim Brotherhood. Early in the Administration the man chosen for “muslim outreach” was heavily involved with the Muslim Brotherhood. And Egyptian media has reported that Obama has recently met with Muslim Brotherhood representatives:

    U.S. President Barack Obama met with members of Egypt’s Islamist opposition movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, earlier this year, according to a report in Thursday editions of the Egyptian daily newspaper Almasry Alyoum.

    The newspaper reported that Obama met the group’s members, who reside in the U.S. and Europe, in Washington two months ago.

    All of this gives the impression that the Administration feels as though the Muslim Brotherhood represents the forces of democratic change in Egypt and it is throwing it’s weight behind the islamist movement while simultaneously trying to guarantee a soft landing for President Mubarak.

    One doesn’t need a crystal ball to see how this movie ends. The Muslim Brotherhood is closely aligned with Hamas, another terrorist front organization, and its governing philosophy is anti-semitic and anti-democratic to its very core.

    Under less exigent conditions it would be amusing to watch the most incompetent and least qualified national security team ever try to convince itself that it is able to treat an overtly islamist organization as a partner in democratic action. This is not funny.

    One would think after two years of humiliation and abuse at the hands of every petty dictator on the face of the earth this bunch would have arrived at the logical conclusion that they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. That they would realize that their actions so far looks far more like a high school campaign for homecoming queen than the foreign policy of THE superpower. But introspection and self-awareness requires intelligence and the imbeciles mismanaging our foreign policy are about to consign 82 million people to the perpetual darkness of islamic rule and they think they are being clever

  132. Kay
    January 31st, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    Health Care Reform Struck Down in Florida District Court
    Posted Monday, January 31, 2011 2:59 PM | By David Weigel
    ————————-
    Thank you Kay. My attention was focused abroad and I would have missed this one for a day or so. This is a pincer legal maneuver against the Obama legal fortress which will fall in time if the four conservative judges stay healthy and if Kennedy the only centrist on the court holds the line against NYT attacks on the court which seek to force him to swing their way with inflamatory nonsense about the repressive Roberts court. Any newspaper that sends 27 investigative reporters to Alaska to dig up dirt on Sarah needs to be rather careful on whom it calls repressive.

  133. “Shepard Smith and Jonathon Weisman are saying the MB are not strong enough to be a worry at this point because they have been in check for so many years.”

    —————-
    Given what the MB are up to right now, I don’t think Smith or Weisman know what the hell they are talking about.

  134. “The Administration clearly feels that it is sympatico with the Muslim Brotherhood. Early in the Administration the man chosen for “muslim outreach” was heavily involved with the Muslim Brotherhood. And Egyptian media has reported that Obama has recently met with Muslim Brotherhood representatives”

    ———–
    This makes me utterly sick to my stomach. Is there no cause for impeachment yet?

  135. Fox News is reporting that the US is trying to hold Egypt together long enough for a viable opposition to form and run for office in Sept. to avoid chaos.

    Shepard Smith and Jonathon Weisman are saying the MB are not strong enough to be a worry at this point because they have been in check for so many years.
    ——————————-
    Oh yea??? Just watch.

  136. Krugman’s post that says that Cairo is parallel of Manila 1986

    ===================

    I don’t think Krugman’s post went quite that far. He said that even at best, Egypt, like the Phillipines, will continue to have corruption, etc. Just perhaps somewhat improved.

    Iow, imo, we shouldn’t expect too much, or hold out for a perfect new leader.

  137. Julian Assange….apparently he is a Palin hater which makes him a bot…

    ==================

    Well, she was quoted as wanting to hunt him down like Osama. Though I think she actually said with the same persistence, rather than with the same weapons.

    By this time he’s probably got reason to hate all US politicians, including Obama….

  138. Oh, I don’t think he hates Obama…I think he’s in bed with Soros and Obama…I’m talking about Julian Assange. I heard some other horrid things about Julian as well, but there not something I would want to print here. Some things are Just off limits…even by me! LOL

    Well if the Marines are headed to Cairo, that’s good because that means the Gates and Hillary may be running most of the show, which I hope!

  139. US sends special envoy to Egypt

    Monday, January 31, 2011; 3:20 PM

    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has sent a retired senior diplomat to Egypt to press the U.S. case for democratic reforms to top Egyptian officials amid spiraling anti-government protests that aim to topple the country’s authoritarian president.

    The State Department said Monday that the former ambassador to Egypt, Frank Wisner, is now on the ground in Cairo and will be meeting with Egyptian officials to urge them to embrace broad economic and political changes that can pave the way for free and fair elections.

    State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Wisner, who was U.S. ambassador to Egypt from 1986 to 1991, has vast experience in the region as well as close relationships with many Egyptians in and out of government.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013103871.html

  140. Shadowfax
    January 31st, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Maybe I am a crackpot, (I’m not Jewish), but I wish Israel would pack up everything important to them, even temples and sacred dirt, and bring it over to the US, set up their own area if they want, and get them out of the middle-east. It is too darn dangerous for them to be surrounded by enemies. If these countries all turn to radical extremists, it will be the beginning of WWIII. How many people will die???

    It would sure be a lot easier protecting Israel over here, then that hot bed from Hell.

    I don’t see this as a concession with the morons that want to attack Israel, I see it as a way to save their lives and the only way there will ever be Peace.

    ===========================

    YES! The whole of Israel is actually very small. We could give them much more territory between Palm Springs and Vegas. Or somewhere in Kansas if they prefer a central location.

    It’s crazy, the amount of weaponry and destruction on all sides, to defend such few acres where they are.

  141. As for Obama’s Sputnik moment, Riverdaughter had a good post a few days ago saying that we already HAVE a lot of scientists — and they’re unemployed.

  142. Oy Vey…

    Chris Matthews to host Bill Clinton special: ‘President of the World’

    By Chris Ariens on January 31, 2011

    MSNBC’s Chris Matthews is anchoring a President’s Day special on MSNBC three weeks from today titled “President of the World: The Bill Clinton Phenomenon.”

    Matthews recently spent a week Bill Clinton, sitting down with him one-on-one for the special. The hour includes interviews with Clinton’s close friends including Tony Blair, Terry McAuliffe, Mary Steenburgen and Kevin Spacey. The special “will take viewers behind the scenes of Clinton’s life,” says the press release.

    There’s not a single political figure today with the global reach and influence of Bill Clinton—a former U.S. President turned humanitarian and diplomat extraordinaire. No one else in today’s political arena has the ability to command the attention of world leaders and organizations everywhere quite like he does.

    “President of the World: The Bill Clinton Phenomenon” airs at 10pmET Monday, Feb. 21.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/chris-matthews-to-host-bill-clinton-special-president-of-the-world_b50854

  143. Obama care ruled unconstitutional and the entire thing is void.

    Just think of the amount of time and money those idiots wasted while Americans lost their jobs and homes. And how devious they were planning how to keep themselves exempt while screwing the rest of us – or some of the rest of us I mean. Those who could afford is got to buy their way out via a donation to Obama.

  144. Why do they insist on telling us about Charlie Sheen’s sex life…I am not interested in anyone’s sex life besides my own or the lack thereof…

    The world is coming undone and yet we must be kept abreast of Charlie’s antics with Porn Queens…oh Lord, give me strength!

  145. Corporations are chartering private jets to get their people out of Egypt – Coca Cola, BP, Shell. (Fox tv)

  146. moononpluto
    *They are all hiding behind Hillary now.*
    =========================
    I’m just glad she’s SoS, and I hope BO & Biden stop sabotaging her.

  147. BigCatLover

    The healthcare ruling (78 pages long):

    ——-
    Was this the ruling for 26 states?

    The Supremes will have to decide, and it leans to the right or now to the left?

  148. One more sign perhaps that the Obama foreign policy which is soros/immelt driven is imploding throughout the world? Calling all the ambassadors into Washington like this is unpreecedented in my recollection. It did not happen even at the end of world war II. But what the hell. Barack promised change and he has delivered it. And he has delivered hopes of it by the boxcar full to terrorist organizations. And a disaster for US diplomacy. George Kennan is turning over in his grave. Obama has smashed our foreign policy credibility to smithereens and Hillary is trying to pick up the pieces and not get cut by all the sharp edges. This is godawful to watch. Big media will try to blame it all on wikileaks, and hope the public does not understand the broader conspiracy which is afoot here.
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    Clinton Convenes Unprecedented Mass Meeting of U.S. Ambassadors

    Published January 31, 2011
    | Associated Press
    Print Email Share Comments (361) Text Size WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors.

    The top envoys from nearly all of America’s 260 embassies, consulates and other posts in more than 180 countries will be gathering at the State Department beginning on Monday. Officials say it’s the first such global conference.

    The gathering comes at a time of crisis in Egypt that could reshape dynamics in the Middle East, fallout from leaked diplomatic documents and congressional calls for sweeping cuts in foreign aid.

    Although the meeting has been called to discuss U.S. foreign policy priorities for 2011, officials say Clinton plans to meet personally with ambassadors from front-line states to hear about developments on the ground. Officials also expect that specific concerns about the WikiLeaks revelations will be raised.

  149. Pundit on fox tv is saying that Osama bin Laden was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and the #2 guy in Al Gaeda is Egyptian.

  150. “Clinton Convenes Unprecedented Mass Meeting of U.S. Ambassadors”

    ————–

    No matter how hard she works, she puts her people first.

  151. If nothing else, this should stall obama’s campaigning. At least it will if he has any decency. To go on the road now when everything is such a mess would be ridiculous.

  152. Shadowfax
    The intro to the hc ruling says that it was brought by 26 states, 2 individuals and a business. I tried to copy and paste that paragraph here, but could not copy it.

  153. Thanks BigC, I think it is the largest group against the HellCare bill and that will push it the closest to the Supremes.

    I am going to listen to Greta tonight and get her legal view.

  154. The world is coming undone and yet we must be kept abreast of Charlie’s antics with Porn Queens…
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    Confloyd, this is nothing to make light of. They are working on a new movie starring Charlie and Barack. The title? “Reggie Move Over.” For Porn Queen Obama this is a vast untapped market of potential voters who watch porn rather than the news. By their calculations this should be enough to swing the state of Utah. Plouffe is very excited about it.

  155. Jeeze – where did AJ get all these news reporters with the most ugly Brit accents?

    I keep waiting for the attack of the killer rabbit…

  156. TominPaine on Obama and the Egyptian situation:

    During the Iranian protests over what was believed to have been a rigged election, keeping Amahdinejad in power, Obama’s stated U.S. policy was that he “didn’t want to meddle”.

    The best opportunity the United States had to overturn the Iranian regime from within was lost as Obama refused to offer strong language of support for the demonstrators based on American values and principles of democracy and human rights. No one knows for sure what might have happened had Obama stood up for the demonstrators and even encouraged them, but in the world of seizing the moment and doing whatever could be done to support the forces for change in Iran, Obama backed down from a face off with Ahmadinejad, and said he ” didn’t want to meddle in the internal affairs of Iran” not unlike what we have seen him do in the face of political opposition from Republicans and conservatives.

    Obama not only failed to encourage to the demonstrators in the streets and kept a hands off attitude, but Ahmadinejad rubbed his nose in it accusing him of “meddling” in the internal affairs of Iran anyway even though Obama bent over backwards to avoid a confrontation with Ahmadinejad.

    In essence Obama decided to lay low. While no one can say for sure what the kind of effect encouragement from the US would have had, we know from an interview with a former head of the Revolutionary Guard that had Ahmadinejad ordered them to fire on Iranian civilians (which the security forces had been doing), they would have refused. Had that happened it would have shown that Ahmadinejad had lost control of the army and it could have been the end of Ahmadinejad. So attempting to escalate the revolt was worth the risk. But Obama didn’t take it, instead deciding to try and preserve the viability of talks with a mad man which to day have borne no fruit.

    In Egypt, the Obama administration did what Obama does best — talk about both sides of their mouths both offering support for the demonstrators but also for Mubarak while other world leaders are urging him to resign.

    More here:
    http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/

  157. BigCatLover
    January 31st, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Why did BC help keep Chris Mathews on the air by giving him an interview? Yuk
    —————————-
    Well . . think about it for a second. If we are on the edge of a diplomatic disaster who do you think Matthews and his audience (as well as the neocons will blame)? Obama? And who will the Obama campaign strategists seek to blame? Obama??

    Or Hillary? If past is prologue, the answer is clear.

    Knowing that, Bill has no choice but to enter the collosseum and fight the battle for Hillary, to pre empt the attacks and drive the discussion away from her. The fact that she is innocent, is not enough. The fact that she is obligated to follow this strategy set by the president as long as she is SOS will not matter. She needs a spokeman who is on her side to prevent her from being scapegoated by the culpable parties, while she tries to repair the damage done by Obama.

    And who better to do that than Bill Clinton.

    Does that explanation make any sense?

  158. Common sense at last from the Florida judge on healthcare.

    “It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congress can regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. If it has the power to compel an otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third party merely by asserting — as was done in the Act — that compelling the actual transaction is itself “commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affects interstate commerce” [see Act § 1501(a)(1)], it is not hyperbolizing to suggest that Congress could do almost anything it wanted. It is difficult to imagine that a nation which began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate giving the East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold in America would have set out to create a government with the power to force people to buy tea in the first place.”

  159. Jan,

    I’m afraid you are far too charitable and optimistic.

    “If nothing else, this should stall obama’s campaigning. At least it will if he has any decency. To go on the road now when everything is such a mess would be ridiculous.”

  160. wbboei
    Sure it makes sense, but my instincts tell me that Mathews was the next to get the ax at MSNBC (I could be wrong) so a big ‘get’ like BC may save his goose for awhile. Of coure we know Bill likes to meet his critics head on, so maybe he can hasten Chris’ departure.

  161. I like this judge.

    “In the final analysis, this Act has been analogized to a finely crafted watch, and that seems to fit. It has approximately 450 separate pieces, but one essential piece (the individual mandate) is defective and must be removed. It cannot function as originally designed. There are simply too many moving parts in the Act and too many provisions dependent (directly and indirectly) on the individual mandate and other health insurance provisions — which, as noted, were the chief engines that drove the entire legislative effort — for me to try and dissect out the proper from the improper, and the able-to-stand-alone from the unable-to-stand-alone. Such a quasi-legislative undertaking would be particularly inappropriate in light of the fact that any statute that might conceivably be left over after this analysis is complete would plainly not serve Congress’ main purpose and primary objective in passing the Act. The statute is, after all, called “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” not “The Abstinence Education and Bone Marrow Density Testing Act.” The Act, like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watchmaker.”

    Thanks to ace of spades for posting this and the previous excerpt.

  162. Common sense at last from the Florida judge on healthcare.

    —–
    Just a thought, what if the Supremes find that the Obama Hellcare bill is one big pile of poop, illegal as Hell and then the 2012 campaign starts and Barry can’t brag that he has passed anything, nada, zip.

    Just spent us into China’s debtor’s prison.
    Drove the car and the bus over the frickin’ cliff…

    What will he run on then? The beer summit or MO’s sludge garden?

  163. Israel has to help Murbarak as they cannot stand by while Egypt becomes radicalized. Israelis will be blamed either way, but cannot allow 30 yrs of peace with Egypt to evaporate overnight.
    ——————————-
    Absolutely right! They must help him but without appearing to do so.

    ================

    I’m afraid the peace is already evaporating. Egyptian revolutionaries are already seeing US/Israel/Mubarak as all the same.

    In worrying that MAYBE Mub would be replaced by radical Muslims, Israel is already turning all Egyptians against them.

  164. If Egypt/Murbarak fall and become hostile to Israel

    ===============

    Egyptian people are already becoming hostile to Israel, because of Israell’s support of Mubarak.

  165. the people hate Mubarak, hate his dictatorship, his alliance with Israel. This is a mess and I would love for someone here to tell me how we get out of it.

    ================

    Cut loose from Mub? Express sympathy and support for the rebels? Support, quietly, whoever looks like the best replacement?

  166. Israel has to help Murbarak as they cannot stand by while Egypt becomes radicalized. Israelis will be blamed either way, but cannot allow 30 yrs of peace with Egypt to evaporate overnight.
    ——————————-
    Absolutely right! They must help him but without appearing to do so.

    ================

    I’m afraid the peace is already evaporating. Egyptian revolutionaries are already seeing US/Israel/Mubarak as all the same.

    In worrying that MAYBE Mub would be replaced by radical Muslims, Israel is already turning all Egyptians against them.
    ———————
    I still think the russian model will be the template:

    Act I: depose the authoritarian leader

    Act II: install new government with the trapping of democracy. In that case, the ill fated Kerensky government.

    Act III: when the democratic government proves ineffective enter the bolsheviks or in this case the Muslim Brotherhood.

  167. Any newspaper that sends 27 investigative reporters to Alaska to dig up dirt on Sarah

    =====================

    Let’s hope they deny that, saying “Hey, we only sent 17!”

  168. I like this judge.

    “In the final analysis, this Act has been analogized to a finely crafted watch, and that seems to fit. It has approximately 450 separate pieces, but one essential piece (the individual mandate) is defective and must be removed. It cannot function as originally designed. There are simply too many moving parts in the Act and too many provisions dependent (directly and indirectly) on the individual mandate and other health insurance provisions — which, as noted, were the chief engines that drove the entire legislative effort — for me to try and dissect out the proper from the improper, and the able-to-stand-alone from the unable-to-stand-alone. Such a quasi-legislative undertaking would be particularly inappropriate in light of the fact that any statute that might conceivably be left over after this analysis is complete would plainly not serve Congress’ main purpose and primary objective in passing the Act. The statute is, after all, called “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” not “The Abstinence Education and Bone Marrow Density Testing Act.” The Act, like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watchmaker.”

    Thanks to ace of spades for posting this and the previous excerpt.
    ————————————————
    Ha ha ha. A finely tuned watch . . . The bane of every unsuccessful trial lawyer. Coming up with a simple metaphor or analogy to reduce a complex set of contrary facts which a judge or jury will recognize and a priori valid and rule in your favor. Or–as here, to have that clever metaphor shoved up your . . . where the sun don’t shine.

  169. Act III: when the democratic government proves ineffective enter the bolsheviks or in this case the Muslim Brotherhood.

    ===============

    That’s adding even more IF’s.

    By antagonizing the people, we’re setting up for an Act II that directly and honestly elects anti-Israeli people.

  170. wbboei,

    I usually find legaleze blank-stare inducing but this judge wrote in language even I could understand.

    I thought his comparison to the British Tea Act which gave the East India Company a monopoly on selling tea but not going so far as to insist everyone HAD to buy tea was brilliant.

  171. There is a beautiful and spiritual atmosphere there that is amazing.

    ===================

    They could re-create that anywhere, under safer conditions.

    I can understand some Jews being willing to die for their history. But how many non-Jewish lives is it worth, ie US troops? And is it worth starting WWIII?

  172. f you take it a step further, Muslims, Nazis, and other Jew haters, who are determined to destroy the Jewish race entirely, would simply follow them to the U.S. if they were to move.

    ==============

    I’m sorry, but this is insane. Land in California or Kansas would be much safer.

  173. wbboei,

    I usually find legaleze blank-stare inducing but this judge wrote in language even I could understand.

    I thought his comparison to the British Tea Act which gave the East India Company a monopoly on selling tea but not going so far as to insist everyone HAD to buy tea was brilliant.
    ——————————
    Yes indeed.

  174. And since then, Iranian protesters have died vicious deaths and obama has said nothing.

    =================

    And won’t Mub do the same thing, if he continues in power? Let’s us not get blamed for it.

  175. Amb. Jon Huntsman has delivered his resignation letter to Obama.

    I’m guessing it means he is running for POTUS in 2012.

  176. Katmoon at NQ posted this portion as especially memorable.

    page 56…The Commerce Clause originally applied to the trade and exchange of goods as it sought to eliminate trade barriers by and between the states. Over the years, the Clause’s reach has been expanded from covering actual interstate commerce(and its channels and instrumentalities) to intrastate activities that substantially affect interstate commerce. It has even been applied to activities that involve the mere consumption of a product (even if there is no legal commercial interstate market for that product). To now hold that Congress may regulate the so-called economic decision” to not purchase a product or service in anticipation of future consumption is a “bridge too far.” It is without logical limitation and far exceeds the existing legal boundaries established by Supreme Court precedent

  177. Egypt, with 80 million people, is the largest country in the Middle East or North Africa. . . And it is going up in flames.

    Now is the time for ALL AMERICANS (sic) to start asking the question: Who is losing Egypt? We need to debunk the starry eyed idealistic yearning for reform and the fantasy that a liberal democracy will come from these demonstrations. It won’t. Iranian domination will. (see below:
    ——————————-
    Who Lost Egypt?
    Sunday, 30 Jan 2011 10:36 AM Article Font Size
    By Dick Morris

    In the 1950s, the accusation “who lost China” resonated throughout American politics and led to the defeat of the Democratic Party in the presidential elections of 1952. Unless President Barack Obama reverses field and strongly opposes letting the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt, he will be hit with the modern equivalent of the 1952 question: Who Lost Egypt?

    The Iranian government is waiting for Egypt to fall into its lap. The Muslim Brotherhood, dominated by Iranian Islamic fundamentalism, will doubtless emerge as the winner should the government of Egypt fall. The Obama administration, in failing to throw its weight against an Islamic takeover, is guilty of the same mistake that led former President Jimmy Carter to fail to support the shah, opening the door for the Ayatollah Khomeini to take over Iran.

    The United States has enormous leverage in Egypt — far more than it had in Iran. We provide Egypt with upwards of $2 billion a year in foreign aid under the provisos of the Camp David accords orchestrated by Carter. The Egyptian military, in particular, receives $1.3 billion of this money. The United States, as the pay master, needs to send a signal to the military that it will be supportive of its efforts to keep Egypt out of the hands of the Islamic fundamentalists. Instead, Obama has put our military aid to Egypt “under review” to pressure Mubarak to mute his response to the demonstrators and has given top priority to “preventing the loss of human life.”

    Obama should say that Egypt has always been a friend of the United States. He should point out that it was the first Arab country to make peace with Israel. He should recall that President Anwar Sadat, who signed the peace accords, paid for doing so with his life and that President Hosni Mubarak has carried on in his footsteps. He should condemn the efforts of the Muslim Brotherhood extremists to take over the country and indicate that America stands by her longtime ally. He should address the need for reform and urge Mubarak to enact needed changes. But his emphasis should be on standing with our ally.

    The return of Nobel laureate Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, the former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has to Egypt as the presumptive heir to Mubarak tells us where this revolution is headed. Carolyn Glick, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post, explains how dangerous ElBaradei is. “As IAEA head,” she writes, “Elbaradei shielded Iran’s nuclear weapons program from the Security Council. He [has] continued to lobby against significant UN Security Council sanctions or other actions against Iran…Last week, he dismissed the threat of a nuclear armed Iran [saying] ‘there is a lot of hype in this debate’.”

    As for the Muslim Brotherhood, Glick notes that “it forms the largest and best organized opposition to the Mubarak regime and [is] the progenitor of Hamas and al-Qaida. It seeks Egypt’s transformation into an Islamic regime that will stand at the forefront of the global jihad.”

    Now is the time for Republicans and conservatives to start asking the question: Who is losing Egypt? We need to debunk the starry eyed idealistic yearning for reform and the fantasy that a liberal democracy will come from these demonstrations. It won’t. Iranian domination will.

    Egypt, with 80 million people, is the largest country in the Middle East or North Africa. Combined with Iran’s 75 million (the second largest) they have 155 million people. By contrast the entire rest of the region — Algeria, Morocco, Libya, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Jordan, UAE, Lebanon, Kuwait, Oman, and Qatar combined — have only 200 million.

    We must not let the two most populous and powerful nations in the region fall under the sway of Muslim extremism, the one through the weakness of Jimmy Carter and the other through the weakness of Barack Obama.

    !

  178. moononpluto,

    I don’t know much about huntsman but I read about him at a politico article and the reporter says:

    “If Huntsman won the GOP nomination, he would be challenging the reelection of his former boss. White House officials are furious at what they consider an audacious betrayal, but know that any public criticism would be likely to benefit Huntsman if he enters the primaries.”

    AUDACIOUS!!!!!!!!!! LOL

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48533.html#ixzz1CeoF6Ae8

  179. Well lets see how this plays : Disgusting is what it is, the former labour Govt screwed the US.

    WikiLeaks: Britain secretly advised Libya how to secure release of Lockerbie bomber
    Ministers secretly advised Muammar Gaddafi’s Libyan regime how to secure the successful early release of the Lockerbie bomber, documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph have disclosed.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8294120/WikiLeaks-Britain-secretly-advised-Libya-how-to-secure-release-of-Lockerbie-bomber.html

  180. Amb. Jon Huntsman has delivered his resignation letter to Obama.
    ————————-
    This is huge. If it is the same guy one of McCains people told me that he was viewed as a viable candidate for President, and Obama chose him for the job in order to eliminate a potential opponent in 2012. It could signal an intention to run alright, but my guess it is nothing more than damage control. He is another scapegoat Obama and his big media allies can blame. Furthermore, he may have been an instigator in these unhappy developments as well, acting at Obama’s behest. Or he may have warned Obama about these risks to no avail. Obviously he wants to get clear of them. I think his replacement should be jarrett.

  181. O.M.G.!!!!!!!

    This is ROTFLMFAO funny.
    At Drudge.

    Judge uses Obama’s words against him

    In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, arguing that there are other ways to tackle health care short of requiring every American to purchase insurance.

    “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.

  182. moononpluto,

    I hope that is not true.

    On another topi,

    Mark Levin is now reading the portions of the judge’s ruling posted here on-air.

  183. Does Obama want to piss off the protestors anymore :

    Frank Wisner, the former ambassador to Egypt whom POTUS dispatched to Cairo, is said to have close relations w/Mubarak.

    Now they really will think we are helping Mubarak.

  184. Well lets see how this plays : Disgusting is what it is, the former labour Govt screwed the US.

    WikiLeaks: Britain secretly advised Libya how to secure release of Lockerbie bomber
    Ministers secretly advised Muammar Gaddafi’s Libyan regime how to secure the successful early release of the Lockerbie bomber, documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph have disclosed.
    ——————————
    This kind of thing is typical of the Brits. They enlisted us in the overthrow of the Shah of Iran because he was preparing to raise the price of crude oil when the existing contract expired, set us up to be the enemy of Kohmenini, and then sneaked in behind our backs and made oil deals with Kohemeni for themselves while freezing our our owm oil companies. This was told to me by an Iranian friend who lived there at the time and is now an American citizen and doctor.

  185. “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that ‘if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of the 78-page ruling Monday.
    ———————–
    In the realm of politics it is called campaigning–and as Brian Williams so delicately put it moving to the center (after bamboozling the deranged leftists). In a court of law however, the lie can come back to bite you as we see here.

    From love’s close kiss
    To hell’s abyss
    Is one short flight
    I trow—The Harpy by Robert Service

    A week ago Barack was shitting in tall cotton. This week he is–where is he? RCP has him seven points up. Like the stars in the heavens the light you see in the sky was generated at or near the time of Christ, and does not reflect what is going on now. The polls need time to digest the new information.

  186. turndown,

    I see that you took apart my statement regarding moving the State of Israel. You are more than entitled to comment, but calling it “crazy” is going a bit too far. Do you honestly believe that Israelis can go anywhere and not be haunted by haters and terrorists? Do you honestly think that Israel should step aside and then what? The Middle East will explode no matter what.

    So we agree to disagree this time. And whether you will answer this post or not, I am not going to get into it with you any further.

  187. 30.01.11

    Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt

    The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt show that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens.

    By Aluf Benn

    Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as “the president who lost Iran,” which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who “lost” Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America’s alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

    The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.

    America’s general weakness clearly affects its friends. But unlike Carter, who preached human rights even when it hurt allies, Obama sat on the fence and exercised caution. He neither embraced despised leaders nor evangelized for political freedom, for fear of undermining stability.

    Obama began his presidency with trips to Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and in speeches in Ankara and Cairo tried to forge new ties between the United States and the Muslim world. His message to Muslims was “I am one of you,” and he backed it by quoting from the Koran. President Hosni Mubarak did not join him on the stage at Cairo University, and Obama did not mention his host. But he did not imitate his hated predecessor, President George W. Bush, with blunt calls for democracy and freedom.

    Obama apparently believed the main problem of the Middle East was the Israeli occupation, and focused his policy on demanding the suspension of construction in the settlements and on the abortive attempt to renew the peace talks. That failure led him to back off from the peace process in favor of concentrating on heading off an Israeli-Iranian war.

    Americans debated constantly the question of whether Obama cut his policy to fit the circumstances or aimed at the wrong targets. The absence of human rights issues from U.S. policy vis-a-vis Arab states drew harsh criticism; he was accused of ignoring the zeitgeist and clinging to old, rotten leaders. In the past few months many opinion pieces have appeared in the Western press asserting that the days of Mubarak’s regime are numbered and calling on Obama to reach out to the opposition in Egypt. There was a sense that the U.S. foreign policy establishment was shaking off its long-term protege in Cairo, while the administration lagged behind the columnists and commentators.

    The administration faced a dilemma. One can guess that Obama himself identified with the demonstrators, not the aging dictator. But a superpower isn’t the civil rights movement. If it abandons its allies the moment they flounder, who would trust it tomorrow? That’s why Obama rallied to Mubarak’s side until Friday, when the force of the protests bested his regime.

    The street revolts in Tunisia and Egypt showed that the United States can do very little to save its friends from the wrath of their citizens. Now Obama will come under fire for not getting close to the Egyptian opposition leaders soon enough and not demanding that Mubarak release his opponents from jail. He will be accused of not pushing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hard enough to stop the settlements and thus indirectly quell the rising tides of anger in the Muslim world. But that’s a case of 20:20 hindsight. There’s no guarantee that the Egyptian or Tunisian masses would have been willing to live in a repressive regime even if construction in Ariel was halted or a few opposition figures were released from jail.

    Now Obama will try to hunker down until the winds of revolt die out, and then forge ties with the new leaders in the region. It cannot be assumed that Mubarak’s successors will be clones of Iran’s leaders, bent on pursuing a radical anti-American policy. Perhaps they will emulate Turkey’s prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who navigates among the blocs and superpowers without giving up his country’s membership in NATO and its defense ties with the United States. Erdogan obtained a good deal for Turkey, which benefits from political stability and economic growth without being in anyone’s pocket. It could work for Egypt, too.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/obama-will-go-down-in-history-as-the-president-who-lost-egypt-1.340057

  188. I just wish that all the dumbass kids that voted for Barry watched the news and knew how badly he has s@rewed the US. Most of them just chalk it off to, ‘all politicians lie’.

    A big punch in the nose to all the parents that voted because it would please those obot children.

  189. Do you honestly believe that Israelis can go anywhere and not be haunted by haters and terrorists?

    ============

    This is rhetorical if you’re not answering. But — how many haters and how many terrorists?

    What I called insane is merely the idea that Kansas would be not at all safer than the current location of Israel.

    Language that suggests that ALL the enemies in the Middle East could come over here and attack just as easily in Kansas — is a conversation stopper because it is eye-glazingly … insane.

    So is the idea that any ME neighbors who want their land back also want to exterminate all Jews anywhere.

    I assume such language is just rhetoric, hyperbole. I hope.

  190. I just wish that all the dumbass kids that voted for Barry watched the news

    ===================

    I hope they’re also noting how Barry screwed the Iranian youth demonstrators — and is now doing the same to the Egyptians — who are quoting his Cairo speech and begging him to live up to it.

    Kind of like the Bots who beg him to live up to his campaign speeches.

  191. Do you honestly think that Israel should step aside and then what? The Middle East will explode no matter what.

    ============================

    But at least the Jews would not be in the middle of the explosion. They would be safe in Kansas.

  192. I think this is all a trick. Obama is supporting Mubarak to whip the people into a frenzy so that the guy in the crowd with Soros’s magaphone, ElBaradei, can be swept to power as the “peoples choice”.

    How did he (ElBaradei) already get a meeting with Mubarak? That will be Mubarak’s last act of treachery – facilitating the installation of the new puppet.

    I read once how a garment factory owner in Ireland kept his factory wadges down and union free. When the women workers started getting grumpy and talking about raises and better working conditions he would turn the radio on horribly loud. When someone asked him to turn it down he turned it louder. The women would start having meetings and eventually would deputize someone to go and make a formal request that the radio be turned down. The owner would tell them to go to H-E double toothpicks he’d play his radio as loud as he liked. The tug of war went back and forth, the owner escalating each time, till the women, in a rage would stage a walk out. The owner would let them stew outside for a while then he turn the radio off and go out and apologize. The women go back to work thinking they have won a great victory – and no more talk of raises or better working conditions.

  193. The Jews in Israel live there because they want to…they want to live at the seat of their religion. The Christians who live there want to live there because it was where Jesus walked….Kansas has NO appeal for them!

  194. Kansas has NO appeal for them!

    ==================

    SAfety has no appeal? Practicality has no appeal? A homeland not under attack has no appeal? A place to do constructive science rather than war has no appeal?

    Their choice — but why should the rest of us die and risk war, to support that choice?

  195. The owner would let them stew outside for a while then he turn the radio off and go out and apologize. The women go back to work thinking they have won a great victory – and no more talk of raises or better working conditions.

    ==============

    Sounds like the way the MSM plays us. Turn up the misogynist comments till we blow off our energy on superficial things (or argue among ourselves about whether it’s worth opposing).

  196. BigCatLover,

    I missed the link. Even if I had seen it, I don’t have time (or skills)to read and understand it all and I am depending on brilliant people on this blog and others to winnow out the juicy excerpts for the non legal-eagles types like me. 😉

    Did you find a couple of key paragraphs? Please share.

  197. TD,
    Their choice — but why should the rest of us die and risk war, to support that choice?
    ____________________________

    You are missing the point….

    Why do I go to work?
    Why are there Doctors and Nurses who save lives?
    Why do we help the poor?
    Why help your brother?

    I guess we could sit back and say to hell with them, there just Jews!

    No we must help all those who need help always…its what is expected of civilized man!

  198. Help them do WHAT? Help them stay WHERE?

    When people won’t leave a burning building, firemen don’t have to join them and burn. Firemen help them by carrying them OUT to safey.

  199. Pre-ordained? What do you mean?

    We’re trying to get our embassy people out. Suppose some embassy people don’t want to come out. Should our troops surround the embassy to guard them forever? How many of our troops do you want to die for people who refuse to come to safety?

  200. Leave Israel? It’s been our(Jewish people) homeland for 4000k years!!!! No American has ever died protecting Israel, but thousands have died fighting Arab/Muslim fundamentalists. Why would we give up our g-d given land to these fanatics whose goal is to wipe both Christians/Jews and all “infidels” off the face of the earth? If Israel were to fall, the USA would be soon to follow.

  201. Biblical? If so, God can do it without our help. He can just part the Red Sea again or something.

    ANyway, hwose Bible? The other ME states may have different ancient scriptures that say it belongs to them. Native AMericans may have scriptures that say all AMerica belongs to them.

    It’s not up to the rest of us to send our troops into harm’s way to protect such a claim forever. We can offer to take the people out, and give them a homeland in a safe location.

  202. If Israel were to fall, the USA would be soon to follow.

    ===============

    Really?

    Then let’s move it to where we can protect it better.

    Sorry I can’t answer the rest of that post, it’s glazing my eyes.

  203. jbstonesfan,
    I agree with you…Israel belongs to the Jews! It’s their right to live there and it was given by God…I’m real sorry for Ismael, but he wasn’t given the land! He has all the rest and should be satisfied with that! Palestinians are Arabs and the Arabs should absord them, but they don’t want to.

  204. I wonder if some people even know how many times the Jewish people have been forced to migrate over the centuries. Too many to count.

  205. Angelides Report has been issued and it explains who the culprits were in the Wall Street crash, among other things. The older gentleman at the end of this tape is Harley Schlanger who I know fairly well, and is very knowledgeable about the current financial collapse. This is why I was trying to drum up grass roots and on line support for the proposition that the Financial Reform bill blessed by Goldman Sachs, supported by Obama, and forced though over the objection of brave souls like my Junior Senator Maria Cantwell (D-Wa) was a snare and a delusion. All Obama wants is a headline like Health Care Reform or Financial Reform which lends itself so well to a sound bite or the vapid mind of an incurios bot. And they thought W was stupid. Compared to them he is phi beta cappa material. Watch this video, and realize that many of the same people who attacked us have also attacked Larouche. Just watch what is said here and make up your own mind.

    http://larouchepac.com/node/17336

  206. Regarding Bill Clinton’s interview with Chris Matthews, could this possibly be a prelude to a 2012 Hillary candidacy? If Obama were unable or unwilling to run, Hillary would need the support of Matthews’ audience in the primaries.

    Probably wishful thinking on my part, but….Chris Matthews did have that odd reference to the birth certificate recently.

  207. it was given by God

    ===============

    Which God? According to which Bible? You can’t solve real current problems by appealing to ancient supersititons.

    The Arabs have their own ancient records. As long as it’s one superstition against another superstition, there will be no end ot the fighting.

    Except — separate the combatants. 😉

  208. how many times the Jewish people have been forced to migrate

    ==============

    By nations who just wanted to get rid of them by pushing them onto some other nation who didn’t want them either.

    Now we’ve got a chance for a nation that DOES value and want them (ie the US) to bring them here where they would NOT be forced to migrate later.

    Staying in the ME, they may be forced out by bombs — those who survive the bombs.

  209. It is passing strange that the middle east is in trumoil and the Messiah is in hiding. Where or where art thou oh Obama? Is this what new age messiahs do when there is trouble–trouble they helped cause. Do they then just hide. Like a coward???

  210. turndown,

    I really would appreciate it if you didn’t insult my religious beliefs. I don’t go around insulting what you believe or don’t believe in so I don’t understand why you need to feel superior and diss the God I believe in.

  211. Separation of church and state. “Nebraska is mine, God gave Nebraska to me.” If the people living in Nebraska for the last many centuries object, it’s not up to our US troops to take Nebraska away for the sake of what’s written in some ancient book.

  212. Janh,
    I’m sorry I started this, but sometimes I feel the need to say something for God here. It’s no use because people who don’t know God, can’t understand wanting to be where he once walked or on the land that was given to them by him.

    People just don’t get it! I hope there will be enough Christians and Jews who do and will stand firm and protect Israel…its our duty as children of God!

  213. Jan,

    Scroll by and don’t get sucked in. You’re too good for that. It’s an absurd and, yes, even as a non-Jew, insulting position.

    Don’t waste your energy here. Not worth it.

  214. wanting to be where he once walked or on the land that was given to them by him.

    ====================

    Suppose some South American cultists show up saying their ancient books say Quetzalcoatl walked in Nebraska and gave Nebraska to them.

    If our Nebraskan farmers want to throw them out — do you want South American troops to enforce their ‘god-given right’? Maybe the rest of the South American voters don’t want their troops at risk this way.

    Sure their troops should protect the cultists — while taking them back to South America where they will be safe.

  215. confloyd
    January 31st, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    —————–
    The results were to be expected. As far as Netanyahu’s decision to allow Egyptian troops in, it’s a no-win situation for him. Not letting them in would have risked invasive measures by the enemy towards Israel. Letting them in has aligned Israel with Mubarak.

  216. “Jan,

    Scroll by and don’t get sucked in. You’re too good for that. It’s an absurd and, yes, even as a non-Jew, insulting position.

    Don’t waste your energy here. Not worth it.

    Agreed. Jan, the scroll button is your friend 🙂

  217. its our duty as children of God!

    ===============

    And some Muslims think it’s their duty as children of Allah to invade certain territories, saying that Allah gave it to them centuries ago.

    There are many practical problems with relocating Israel, so it may not be practical. But pulling a “It’s our holy land, we have no interest elsewhere” or “God gave it to us because our Bible says so” — is not an argument that should trump rational discussion.

  218. Looks like this anti,Mubarek was in play during the Bush regime…well the Rino’s and Bush want to go with the Arabs and to hell with the Jews….they’ve been covering this up for years….antisemitism is growing in this country on both sides of the political spectrum.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/12169_obamasdangerousgameinegypt;_ylt=AgC4rNBF.ws4zJuoK4P1Jf.yFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTJkMmVzZDQ1BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTEwMjAxL3VzX2VneXB0X3VzYQRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzUEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDb2JhbWFzZGFuZ2Vy

  219. Now here is something we could all pray for:

    In its statement, carried on Egyptian media, the military said: “To the great people of Egypt, your armed forces, acknowledging the legitimate rights of the people… have not and will not use force against the Egyptian people.”

  220. Suppose some South American cultists show up saying their ancient books say Quetzalcoatl walked in Nebraska and gave Nebraska to them.
    ————-

    Depends. If they just “showed up from South America”, then no. If, however, they had been in Nebraska for 4000 years, had had their capital there, and many of them still lived in Nebraska, had always lived in Nebraska, and had never left? And they had been brutally slaughtered in just about every other country on earth, and hounded from their homes there, AND after all this abuse the world community had agreed to carve out a piece of Nebraska (their historic homeland) for them, because they were not safe anywhere else in the world at that time? And were weary, and traumatized, and their former adopted homes in other places had been burned, razed, and looted? Repeatedly?

    Then yeah, in that case, I think they should remain right there in Nebraska. And if threatened, their friends should defend them. Even if it became difficult. No, I would not look at those people and say, “Sorry, guys – go do that diaspora thing again. Try Montana, or Poland, or something.”

  221. h4t,

    Careful, you’re near getting into some practical considerations.

    As I said above, past disporas have been a shoving out from nations that don’t want them, without any place for them to go. What’s being discussed now is the opposite: a nation that does want and value them (the US) inviting them to come to a new safe homeland.

    As for being stressed out, some people are stressed by accounts of things that allegedly happened in the past. Others are stressed by mortor shells falling on them right now.

  222. As far as I’m concerned, they can be safe right where they are. And I’m deadly serious about that. In the words of Hillary Clinton, when asked in debate what would happen if Iran launched a nuke at Israel:

    *cue steely eyed glare* We would obliterate them.

  223. Oh, and I’m done – I refuse to get into a lengthy fruitless exchange with you on this, turndown. It’s not a negotiable point for me, in any way shape or form.

    I would be willing to turn the rest of the middle east to fucking RUBBLE to protect Israel in the event of major attack, and I am not kidding about that.

  224. Well, that’s if Iran launches a nuke, and the fallout from Hillary’s nuke (how else would you obliterate Iran?) wouldn’t be very healthy for Israel either.

    And according to some people, if Muburak resigns, then Egypt will be taken over by the Evil Muslims, and so will Jordan and all the other ME countries. Is Hillary going to obliterate them all? What if they just keep firing mortor shells at Israel, or using other conventional weapons? Obliterate them for that, too?

  225. I would be willing to turn the rest of the middle east to fucking RUBBLE to protect Israel in the event of major attack

    ==============

    YOU might be willing, but it doesn’t seem very practical. They’d probably get off some shots at Israel in the process.

    I just wish people would stay rational instead of going off into religion and metaphors (eg rubble).

  226. of major attack

    ===============

    And are you content with the non-major attacks they’re undergoing now? If not, why haven’t YOU turned anyone else to rubble yet?

    Metaphors kill.

  227. This has been going on forever and no one seems to want to stop fighting over this little spot of land, unfortunately.

    Tongue in cheek, but sometimes I think the only “solution” would be for someone to get everyone out of there and blow the place up, then make it a huge conservation wildlife park or something, no one can build or live there or even go there – just the animals. Then let everyone carry on with their own religions and move on. This has been going on forever, and the people just don’t seem able to share or coexist.

  228. Israel shocked by Obama’s “betrayal” of Mubarak….. It accused Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of pursuing a naive, smug, and insular diplomacy heedless of the risks.

    Hillary really, really likes Israel, she won’t like this. Hmmmm… wouldn’t it be great if the reason she is doing the historical summoning of her ambassadors is because she wants to tell them to her face that she is resigning?!!!!

  229. I don’t think the answer is to move the Israelis over here. But neither do I think they would be hunted down here. There are already lots of Jews here, and they’re safe. The Muslim terrorists don’t come to kill Jews, they come to kill all of us.

  230. I don’t think the answer is to move the Israelis over here. But neither do I think they would be hunted down here. There are already lots of Jews here, and they’re safe. The Muslim terrorists don’t come to kill Jews, they come to kill all of us.

  231. But now these officials fret that new instability in the Middle East could distract from the jobs and innovation message that the president started pushing in his State of the Union address

    Geez, who cares about the MESSAGE? “Jobs” has been his “message” (the public’s demand) since he took office. Stop talking about it AND DO IT! They’re more worried about their own PR than they are the people here or in Egypt.

  232. There aren’t going to be any jobs….its all a mirage! They keep getting the world riled up so they don’t have to give us jobs…keeps our minds off our problems while we worry about the rest of the world…then the rich get richer and we are all worried about things that can not be changed because its all pre-ordained!

    Lorac,
    Well as much as I would like for Hillary to tell Odrama to shove it….it would be real scary without her there unless she quits one second and then says she’s running the second….now that might even be good because the world is ready for a REAL US POTUS! We are all sick of the illegitimate one!

  233. This is the craziest conversation…the Jews wouldn’t leave even if we asked them too, we’d have to capture them to get them out of there…for pete’s sake…its their home!

  234. Turndown,
    In reality its the Palestinians that no one wants…except Israel has always taken care of them, not that they ever appreciated it. If they would, then there wouldn’t be a problem….the Jews aren’t the problem…its the Palestinians that are the problem!

    JUst like Obama is the problem!

  235. The argument that Jews should get out of Israel for their health is an odd one.

    By that logic the slaves in America should have been shipped back to Africa, native Americans should have abandoned their love of the land and gone to South America, the Irish problem could have been resolved if one side abandoned their claims and left the country, several entire populations in the Balkans should pack their bags and travel – indeed in any area of the world at any time in world history – flight as the “solution”.

  236. There are already lots of Jews here, and they’re safe. The Muslim terrorists don’t come to kill Jews, they come to kill all of us.

    =================

    Good point. ;-/

    As for a wildlife preserve, how about the Galactic Federation invenes and scoops up the whole current Israel nation, a whole chunk of land, deep deep. Down to the center of the earth maybe. All the old buildings and all the land under them.

    Flies away with it and plants it elsewhere, unharmed.

    Then, do y’all (J and Jb etc) stay with it at the new location … or come back to the ME coordinates to keep trading mortor fire?

  237. Oh, my-

    JanH- {{{hugs}}} backatcha!

    you cannot rationalize with an irrational person period.

    Now the latest news:

    First American troops are headed to Egypt

    They’re from the Coast Guard, and they’re on their way to the Suez Canal, that critical geopolitical “choke point.” H/T to Moussequetaire for this from The Day in Groton, Connecticut:

    Connecticut National Guard Detachment 2, Company I, 185th Aviation Regiment of Groton has mobilized and will deploy to the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, to support the Multinational Force and Observers.

    The unit left Connecticut Jan. 15 for Fort Benning, Ga., for further training and validation. The unit operates C-23C Sherpa aircraft and has deployed three times in the last seven years in support of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The unit will provide an on-demand aviation asset to the Multinational Force and Observers commander to support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty.

    Chief Warrant Officer Four James Smith of Ivoryton commands the aviation unit.

    richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/first-american-troops-are-headed-to-egypt/
    __________________

  238. …its their home!

    –===============

    That’s a reasonable, practical point — if you’re talking about the generation/s still alive who have lived there since the 1940s.

    Still, if the whole place is about to fall if Mubarak leaves….

  239. Why now?
    _______________________

    Obama Administration Lifts Ban on Muslim Brotherhood Leader

    The Barack Obama administration has decided to lift a ban preventing Muslim Scholar Professor Tariq Ramadan from entering the United States. Ramadan, an Egyptian currently living in Switzerland, is a leading member of Europe’s Muslim Brotherhood branch and the grandson of the movement’s founder Hassan al-Banna. The Muslim Brotherhood is the parent organization for Hamas and some of the groups that recently merged into al-Qaeda, including Ayman al Zawahiri’s Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

    Ramadan was invited to teach at the University of Notre Dame in 2004 but the George W. Bush administration revoked his visa, citing a statute that applies to those who have “endorsed or espoused” terrorism. The administration later dropped the terror endorsement claim and linked the ban to $1,336 in donations Ramadan made between 1998 and 2002 to a Swiss charity that was later blacklisted by the US.

    http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/obama-administration-lifts-ban-on-muslim-brotherhood-leader/

  240. The only one who is going to be responsible for starting a war is Obama.
    _________________

    Obama’s Dangerous Game in Egypt

    NEW YORK – Obama’s Dangerous Game in Egypt If Egypt’s revolution is successful, the U.S. will lose an influential ally, says Andrew Roberts—and if history is any guide Obama may wish Mubarak had remained in power. Plus, full coverage of the Egypt protests.

    How would you feel if a friend and work colleague came to your house for dinner and a bed for the night, happily accepting your hospitality, and you learned afterward that even while he was doing so, he had been angling to get you sacked? “Betrayed” isn’t the start of it. Well, that’s how Hosni Mubarak has every right to be feeling about Barack Obama today, and one day before long it might well come to haunt the President of the United States.

    For when President Obama visited what he called “the timeless city of Cairo” to give his famous speech of June 4, 2009, and went through all the diplomatic pleasantries and greetings with Mubarak, exchanging presents and so on, it turns out that his administration was actively undermining his host and ally. WikiLeaks has revealed that only three weeks before Obama’s inauguration, on December 30, 2008, Margaret Scobey, the U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, warned the State Department that opposition groups had drawn up secret plans for “regime change” before the September 2010 elections. The embassy’s source was an anti-Mubarak campaigner whom the State Department had helped to attend an activists’ summit in New York. This secret support for anti-Mubarak campaigners continued after the change of administrations, and up to the outbreak of the present attempted revolution.

    Should Mubarak survive, he will understandably abhor American double-dealing in this matter, and the alliance between Egypt and the United States will hereafter be characterized by suspicion and deep distrust.

    Should he fall, and his place be taken at any stage by the Muslim Brotherhood, the Republican narrative for the next presidential election will be obvious. Truman lost us China; Johnson lost us Vietnam; Carter lost us Iran, and now Obama has lost us Egypt. You can’t trust the Democrats in foreign policy. Argue over the historical minutiae if you like—was LBJ more or less to blame than JFK or Nixon, for example—but if Cairo goes Islamist the overall narrative will be compelling.

    read more at link:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/12169_obamasdangerousgameinegypt;_ylt=AgC4rNBF.ws4zJuoK4P1Jf.yFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTJkMmVzZDQ1BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTEwMjAxL3VzX2VneXB0X3VzYQRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzUEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDb2JhbWFzZGFuZ2Vy

  241. Whether ‘flight is a solution’ may depend on whether you have some place to go. The Pilgrims did pretty well over here, even without much help.

    Being invited to a new place set aside as a new homeland, in the safe heart of the US, surrounded with the full protection of the US — is not exactly shabby.

    Our founders had some bombs bursting in air for a while, but soon settled down to create something new and wonderful. Think what the Jews could do, given US land and no bombs or mortors at all to deal with. The world needs what they could offer, if they weren’t stressed out with military defense.

  242. Report: Mubarak Planning to Step Down

    January 31st, 2011

    NPR is reporting that Egyptian dictator is preparing to step down and cede power to a provisional government led by his allies in the military. This comes from an American scholar who is “in regular touch” with elites in the Egyptian government and military. It appears that these changes will attempt to bring in the opposition leaders and the protesters in the streets.

    Read more for plan at link:

    http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=5808

  243. confloyd
    February 1st, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Mrs. Smith,
    Now this is a weird time for them to let this guy come back!
    ____________________

    I can’t imagine why-

  244. Big snow coming our way again-

    One storm beginning tonight and a dozy on Wed am.
    Should amount to 24″ more on top of the 4.5″ snowbanks
    already on the ground. Feels like we’re living in the tundra.

  245. Yikes, Israeli Jews moving to Kansas?
    I wouldn’t want to move there…where has this conversation gone?

  246. I kind of envy the people in the streets of Egypt.

    I wish millions of our people were protesting in the streets demanding Barry to get the Hell out!!

  247. Kansas … I wouldn’t want to move there

    ===============

    Well, somewhere between Palm Springs and Vegas would be more fun, but someone was afraid Evil Arab Submarines might shoot missiles at them or something.

  248. Basil: I just finished reading Judge Vincent’s opinion on the Health Care Reform case filed in Florida. It is pretty bullet proof in my opinion. I have not read the Virginia case yet but if it is anything like this one it is impressive. This judge is a legal genius and he is right on the merits. He goes through the history of the constitution starting with the Federalist Papers and what Hamilton, Madison and Jay had to do to reassure the states and interests that opposed the constitution that the commerce clause enacted in furtherance of enumerated powers would not become “a hideous monster with devouring jaws” that would eviscerate states rights and destroy individual liberty. He tracks the decisions of Chief Justice Marshall who established the principle that courts were empowered to strike down legislation which violated the Constitution or exceeded its mandate. And he examines the commerce clause jurisprudence from the New Deal era forward and finds that even though the scope of the clause has varied from expansive to narrow to expansive, the common element is that economic activity has been present in each case. He holds that this case is novel in the sense that Congress is attempting herein to regulate economic non activity. He rebuts effectively the government argument by showing through a series of examples that a market cannot be defined as broadly as the government seeks and every market from real estate to food to god knows what else is affected by what people do and refuse to do, therefore there is no logical limitation on the application of the commerce clause if the government argument is accepted. It would be in the end the monster with devouring jaws. As a result, he issues a declaratory judgement the individual mandate called for by Obamacare is unconstitutional and since there is no way to sever that provision from the legislation and still preserve the intent of congress, the act itself is unconstitutional. as a matter of law. He denies injunctive relief and rejects the other argument by the states that Obama care is also constitutional because its economic impact violated the spending clause and the 9th and 10th Amendments. I suspect his decision will be upheld by the 11th circuit and will proceed to the Supreme Court. (Note: as you may recall, this decision is consistent with my view of the case with respect to the individual mandate, but I also felt the 9th and 10th Amendment arguments would also prevail. The other thing you see is some sloppy legal work by the government)

    This judge has a rather interesting biography. He is what you might call a legal heavyweight, more so than the two judges who ruled the other way, who struck me as superficial in their analysis). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Vinson

  249. Shadowfax,
    Me too, I’m jealous that millions aren’t marching on Washington, D.C. and demanding the fraud step down….and take all his mafia brotherhood with him.

    Mrs. Smith,
    This whole thing with Barry is so suspicious that he really is an undercover Muslim, put in power by NWO to knock out Israel which the elites of both parties believes stands in the way of a one world govt.

    This keeps getting spookier and spookier!

  250. Looks like this anti,Mubarek was in play during the Bush regime…well the Rino’s and Bush want to go with the Arabs and to hell with the Jews….they’ve been covering this up for years….antisemitism is growing in this country on both sides of the political spectrum.
    ————–
    I am sure it was. This is what neo cons love to do. Elliot Abrams et al. Soros Revolutions have been launched during both democratic and republican administrations. By the way, the name of the Iranian Revolution was the green revolution–which again is code for a soros cia inspired revolution. In time, this will all come out, whereas now people will say this is crazy conspiracy theory–which makes me laugh and hope to see the look in their eyes when it eventually becomes common knowledge. The problem I have with this shit, besides the fact that they pulled it here in this country to disenfrancise the American People and install a wall street puppet, is that it is anathema to the concept of a constitutional republic and makes it impossible for our allies around the world to trust us. And to think that the Washington elites are blind to this is further confirmation that for all their money and culture, they are ignorant as swans, or in some cases complicit.

  251. In terms of our past presidents, is it necessarily anti-semitism, or could it instead be love of Arab oil….?

    I don’t personally think the current presidential imposter is Muslim (I don’t think he is anything), but I do think he is pro-Muslim, in a cultural/political sense (ie, not religious).

  252. Top News
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    Trump: Chinese ‘Looking to Strip Us of Everything’
    Egypt’s Poverty, Lack of Jobs, Push Youths to Edge
    Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional

    McCollum: High Court Will Strike Down Obamacare
    Monday, 31 Jan 2011 08:02 PM Article Font Size
    By David A. Patten and Ashley Martella

    In an exclusive Newsmax interview, the former Florida attorney general whose lawsuit laid the basis for a federal judge’s ruling Monday that found the national healthcare law unconstitutional agreed with other conservative experts that the Supreme Court will ultimately strike it down.

    “My gut tells me that the Court will declare the whole law unconstitutional, and Congress will have to start over,” Bill McCollum told Newsmax.TV.

    “My gut tells me that the Court will declare the whole law unconstitutional, and Congress will have to start over,” McCollum told Newsmax.TV in an exclusive interview.

    “They may in fact be starting over now. I’m sure that the Obama administration is going to look at this ruling and try to get something in the next two years, before their re-election effort of 2012, out of this Congress, some compromise.

    “And my hope is the Republicans and those trying to repeal this law don’t give in too much to the Obama administration,” McCollum told Newsmax.TV. “Because I personally think that it will be held unconstitutional, and they can start from scratch. So they have all the leverage, and shouldn’t be giving anything up or away at this point.”

    Monday’s ruling marked the second time that a federal judge has determined the individual mandate healthcare reform, which requires an individual to buy insurance, is unconstitutional. Two other judges, however, have ruled in favor of the president’s ObamaCare reforms.

    The ruling by Judge Roger Vinson of the Northern District of Florida marked the first time that a judge has ruled the entire bill is null and void due to the problems with the individual mandate. The bill lacked the boilerplate legal language known as “severability,” which allows other provisions of a contract or legislation to remain in effect, even if one item in it is struck down by the courts.

  253. I got a good laugh out of the government’s contention that mandating people buy a product from a private company would MAKE it commerce. In other words, as I understand it, something is supposed to be commerce in order for the commerce clause to be relevant. So obviously, NOT buying something is not commerce, so the commerce clause can’t be applied. But if they MAKE you buy it, then it’s commerce. I’m not a legal person, but that really seems like a really shaky (and sneaky) way to force their law to fall under the commerce clause.

    It would be like someone saying if you step over this line, they’ll punch you in the face. So you walk in the opposite direction. Then they grab your arm, pull you over the line, and punch you in the face.

  254. injunctive relief

    wbboei, what does this mean?
    ——————–
    Injunctive relief is an equitable action by which the plaintiff asks the defendant to stop doing something he or she is currently doing which is deemed to create irreparable harm. Generally it is issued to preserve the current situation, i.e. status quo ante until a final determination can be made as to the legality of what defendant is doing.

    In this case, even though the individual mandate is not scheduled to go into effect until 2013–after the 2012 election, states are making certain preparations which involve expense, and companies like GE are entering into certain contracts with states to enrich themselves under the new legislation. Also, since much of the cost of this will devolve upon the states which are already bankrupt there will be pressure to raise taxes to begin accruing funds to pay for this thing. The injunctive relief sought would have frozen this activity, pending a final decision by the supreme court.

  255. I liked someone’s shorter version:

    1. If you can’t buy across state lines, it isn’t interstate commerce.

    2. If you’re not buying at all, it’s not even commerce.

  256. Sorry–part of what I said got erased–the capital letters . . .

    Injunctive relief is an equitable action by which the plaintiff asks THE COURT TO ORDER THE DEFENDANT to stop doing something he or she is currently doing which is deemed to create irreparable harm. Generally it is issued to preserve the current situation, i.e. status quo ante until a final determination can be made as to the legality of what defendant is doing.

  257. I don’t personally think the current presidential imposter is Muslim (I don’t think he is anything)

    ===================

    His religion is Narcissim
    His denomination is Politician.

  258. confloyd: “This is the craziest conversation…the Jews wouldn’t leave even if we asked them too, we’d have to capture them to get them out of there…for pete’s sake…its their home!”____________

    True, it’s a crazy conversation, and true, Israel is the Jews’ home. Besides, many Jews have chosen to live in other parts of the world, such as America, and those places are also their homes.

    *******

    “…In reality its the Palestinians that no one wants…”___________

    Who is “no one”? Let’s not forget what most Israelis realize, which is that Palestine is also the Palestinians’ home, not just the Jews’.
    ______

    “…except Israel has always taken care of them, not that they ever appreciated it.”________

    Masters took care of their slaves too, which is one reason why many American slaves remained loyal to their masters long after they were ‘freed’, until death.

    Being “taken care of” in your own home is no honor.
    _____________

    “…the Jews aren’t the problem…its the Palestinians that are the problem!”______________

    Yes, I guess the Israelis should have killed them all, just as their god exhorted them to do in their Old Testament. That may yet be the Final Solution.

  259. Karma:

    In ruling against President Obama‘s health care law, federal Judge Roger Vinson used Mr. Obama‘s own position from the 2008 campaign against him, when the then-Illinois senator argued there were other ways to achieve reform short of requiring every American to purchase insurance. “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday….
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/31/judge-uses-obamas-words-against-him/

  260. holdthemaccountable
    February 1st, 2011 at 6:07 am

    Karma:

    “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday….
    _____________________

    and SC Judge Roberts was seen laughing his a** off in chambers…

  261. Lol, this will be a laugh a minute. I bet he reports to Jarrett.

    Does Carney Lack Clout?

    Incoming White House press secretary Jay Carney doesn’t report directly to the president, Lloyd Grove reports.

    “He’s not an Obama insider — hardly an advantage when toiling for an insular politician who is naturally wary of newcomers and relies on a tight circle of advisers and intimates. Some White House veterans, including at least one former presidential press secretary, worry that Carney won’t receive the necessary access to Obama, and other policymakers at key meetings, to speak from the podium with the authority that Gibbs unquestionably enjoyed.”

  262. Best comment i’ve seen all week on Obama and Egypt…..

    “Hope and Change has become “Impotent and Spineless”

  263. OBAMA’S BEST SPEECH EVER!!!

    The comedic “stylings” John Judis at New Republic are a sure-fire way to lighten the mood. As IF his long litany of oratorical symphonies could not be matched, Judis find the SOTU his best yet.

    Seriously. He gives Obama credit for “laying a trap”, being smart and wily, yadda yadda.

    Yet even most talking heads were of the mind that “Well, at least it’s over.” That it was a rehash, a laundry list. And Charles Blow even noted that not in 60 years has a SOTU gone without mentioning “the poor”, “poverty”, y’know, stuff like that.

    I guess homeless people won’t feel much love if they can’t help raise ONE… BILLION… DOLLARS… in the next two years.

    To Judis’ credit, he admits in the first paragraph that he was slightly liquored up.

    Here’s the link:

    tnr.com/article/politics/82214/sotu-obama-his-best-nationalism

    Some quotes for your amusement:

    I thought that my reaction to President Obama’s State of the Union speech was colored by having spent the day listening to Chicago mayoral candidates talk about pensions and potholes, or by the two Scotches I downed afterwards, but upon rereading the speech this morning, I’m once again convinced that this was Obama’s best speech as president. I’m not so much referring to his rhetoric or delivery, both of which were fine, but to the way he answered the perennial question, “What is to be done?”

    In the last paragraph, Judis admits that the Obama administration and the country as a whole need to be turned around:

    Obama used the same rhetorical strategy in discussing education and his health care bill. The opposition can’t say they were ignored, but the thrust of his message was a defense of the agenda with which he came into office in January 2009. And to Obama’s credit, he found a new way in this speech to present this message—a way will, one hopes, help reverse his administration’s and the country’s fortunes over the next two years.

  264. WTF is going on ………

    King of Jordan dismisses government, appoints new PM. Its happening everywhere.

  265. confloyd
    February 1st, 2011 at 12:04 am

    … They keep getting the world riled up so they don’t have to give us jobs…keeps our minds off our problems…!

    That is exactly what the Arab leaders, right down to the last nasty imam, do. Keep people riled up and focused on something unsolvable while they, right down to the last faithless, nasty imam, steal them, their children and their children’s children blind.

    One way for Israel to solve the problem, a unthinkable way for sure, but a way. Is for all citizens and leaders of Israel to sign a declaration which tells their Arab neighbors to include them selves and their land in any plan to destroy Israel because one hour after the last Israeli citizen is evacuated enough radiation will be released to make the entire middle east uninhabitable till the end of time.

    So maybe next time when the government supported nasty imams attempt to preserve the status quo by preaching “death to Israel” as a way to solve the peoples problems, the people may reply – That’s not an option, what else have ya got, maybe we should look elsewhere for guidance.

    Radical I know, but gosh how else will this ever end?

  266. I bet, King Abdullah of Jordan is making ready for War-
    ____________________________

    Obama had better send troops to Israel as is the agreement with the US. If he dithers, something has to be done with the puppet.
    __________________________

    From Drudge:

    Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel’

    A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.

    Muhammad Ghannem reportedly told Al- Alam that the Suez Canal should be closed immediately, and that the flow of gas from Egypt to Israel should cease “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” He added that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” saying the world should understand that “the Egyptian people are prepared for anything to get rid of this regime.”

    Ghannem praised Egyptian soldiers deployed by President Hosni Mubarak to Egyptian cities, saying they “would not kill their brothers.” He added that Washington was forced to abandon plans to help Mubarak stay in power after “seeing millions head for the streets.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=206130

  267. wbboei,

    Many thanks for the synopsis.

    Vinson’s writing is so comprehensilbe that when I have time I may try to brave the entire document.

    You really helped put 78 pages into perspective.

    Kudos.

  268. Jordan’s king sacks Cabinet amid street protests

    Jordan’s Royal Palace says the king has sacked his government in the wake of street protests and has asked an ex-army general to form a new Cabinet.

    King Abdullah’s move comes after thousands of Jordanians took to the streets — inspired by the regime ouster in Tunisia and the turmoil in Egypt — and called for the resignation of Prime Minister Samir Rifai who is blamed for a rise in fuel and food prices and slowed political reforms.

    The Royal Palace says Rifai’s Cabinet resigned on Tuesday.

    Abdullah also nominated Marouf al-Bakhit as his prime minister-designate. No other details were immediately available.
    ___________________

    Abdullah is changing his cabinet around putting War time officials and strategists in place. Good- now get on the phone and call Bibi.

  269. From Drudge:

    Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel’

    A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.

    =================

    Untangling that:

    Drudge says that Calcalist says that Al Alam says that some ‘leading member of MB’ said that he would like….

    Or have I missed a step or a language or two?

  270. Ok- Something’s up:

    Per Reuters:

    FLASH: U.S. orders all non-emergency embassy personnel to leave Egypt-state dept immediately.

  271. State Dept this morning ordered the departure of all non-emergency U.S. Govt personnel & families from Egypt immediately “in light of recent events.”

    …………….

    I think they think its about to go downhill.

  272. We send troops from Iraq to Israel, AlCaida starts blowing up the oil fieldsin Iraq. This will be the biggest cluster… the world has ever seen since Pearl Harbor.

  273. Yup they deffo given up on Mubarak.

    Kerry: “Now we must look beyond the Mubarak era and devise an Egyptian policy”

  274. Egypt revolt is ‘step towards Islamic Middle East’
    Feb 1 06:34 AM US/Eastern

    Egyptians hold up their national flag as they gather in Cairo’s Tahrir Squa…

    Iran said on Tuesday the uprising in Egypt will help create an Islamic Middle East but accused US officials of interfering in the “freedom seeking” movement which has rocked the Arab nation.
    “With the knowledge that I have of the great revolutionary and history making people of Egypt, I am sure they will play their role in creating an Islamic Middle East for all freedom, justice and independence seekers,” Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi was quoted as saying on state television’s website.

    Salehi, who was officially endorsed by the Iranian parliament on Sunday as foreign minister, said the uprising in Egypt “showed the need for a change in the region and the end of unpopular regimes.”

    “The people of Tunisia and Egypt prove that the time of controlling regimes by world arrogance (the West) has ended and people are trying to have their own self-determination,” said Salehi, who also currently oversees Iran’s controversial nuclear programme.

    “Unfortunately we are witnessing the direct interference …. of some American officials in the developments in Egypt,” he said, and added the Egyptians were showing “they are no longer ready to stand idle in face of crimes by the Zionist regime.”

    In the initial days of the Tunisian uprising, Iran had said it was “worried” about the events in that country.

    “We are worried about the situation in Tunisia…We hope the Muslim Tunisian nation’s demands are fulfilled through peaceful and non-violent means,” the foreign ministry had said on January 16.

    On Tuesday, Salehi said Iran will offer its support to the protesters in Egypt.

    “On our part we are going along with the freedom seekers of the world and support the uprising of the great nation of Egypt. We sympathise with those injured and killed” in the protests, he said.

    Egypt has been rocked by deadly protests for more than a week and on Tuesday Egyptians planned more mass marches in their campaign to oust the embattled President Hosni Mubarak.

    The USA, a key ally of Cairo, has urged Mubarak to do more to defuse the crisis, with President Barack Obama calling for “an orderly transition to a government that is responsive to the aspirations of the Egyptian people.”

    Iran itself was rocked by similar protests against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after he was re-elected in June 2009.

    Dozens of Iranian protesters who took to Tehran streets were killed in clashes with security forces and militiamen who cracked down on them in a bid to quell what was one of the worst crises in the Islamic republic since the 1979 revolution which toppled the US-backed shah.

  275. Maybe this is why Hillary called the meeting. Oh yes, don’t forget the fraud will be interviewed by O’Reilly during the Super bowl. Can’t let World politics stand in the way of a camera shot.
    **********

    US issues terrorist warning for citizens worldwide
    Jan 31 06:34 PM US/Eastern

    The State Department Monday issued an updated warning on the “continuing th…

    The State Department Monday issued an updated warning on the “continuing threat of terrorist actions” for US citizens worldwide, and a second advisory cautioning travel to Britain.
    “Current information suggests that Al-Qaeda and affiliated organizations continue to plan terrorist attacks against US interests in multiple regions, including Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East,” said the advisory, which updates the last Worldwide Caution post from August 2010.

    The State Department warned that militant groups could target areas where US citizens may gather in large numbers, such as sporting events, hotels, or places of worship.

    Attacks could involve a variety of tactics “including suicide operations, assassinations, kidnappings, hijackings, and bombings,” said the statement.

    In another warning the State Department cautioned US citizens traveling to or living in Britain, due to a “continuing high level of terrorist threat.”

    The agency also noted that targets could include subway and rail systems, but may include transport hubs in a number variety of European cities — citing the January 24 Moscow airport bombing, which killed 35 people.

  276. but but but Gonzo Obama was going to usher in a great love fest between us and the muslim world, we were all gonna be friends and sit round fires and sing kumbayah.

  277. What is alarming is while Obama ignores the gravity of what is happening in the ME, the Muslim Brotherhood is busy taking positions throughout strategic locations in preparation for an attack on Jordan.

    They will want to surround Israel keeping their backs to the sea and come at them from all 4 sides. This is a time, Abdullah and the Mossad have to start taking out as many leaders of the MBs as possible before this weeks end.

  278. wbboei
    January 31st, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    … We need to debunk the starry eyed idealistic yearning for reform and the fantasy that a liberal democracy will come from these demonstrations. It won’t. Iranian domination will.

    Yes indeed. I tend to get sucked into the drama on the streets, sympathizing with the people there.

    By the same token, we need to free ourselves from the notion that Egypt–or the Mideast are isolated regional happenings, or independent of the worldwide economic implosion.

    The cries and actions of populations in the Mideast and elsewhere are not a result of specific countries’ circumstances, but come from the global collapse. Crucial is an overhaul of global policy, beginning with bankruptcy reorganization that wipes out trillions in fantasy accounting.

    Soaring food prices will lead to more unrest. Violent demonstrations over recent weeks in several countries — including Tunisia and Algeria — have been provoked in part by escalating food prices.

    In Egypt, demonstrators keep shouting “Bread, Liberty and Dignity!,” a slogan they took from the Tunisians.

    In Egypt, inflation reached 12.8% in 2010. Food riots had hit already in 2008.

    When the price of oil reaches above 80 dollars a barrel, “investors” rush their money into agrofuels to make good profits. Grabbing grains for agrofuels takes physical food from the tables of the poorest and drives prices up high.

    Earlier this month, the world market price of wheat, up by 100% over the last 12 months, and for maize, reached such high levels that many countries engaged in “panic purchases” involving millions of tons.

    In Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen and Algeria, the costs of basic food stuffs and energy prices are subsidized up to 40% by their governments. Prices of bread and gas would double overnight if subsidies were stopped. Prices of fuels, gas, flour, sugar, etc. are seeing large price increases on international markets. To cope, governments redirect funds initially planned for public investments, to maintain the subsidies for the basic necessities.

    Welcome to “globalized” free markets, where fools who have no concern for the general welfare play like children to get more MONEY.

    In Algeria last week, the price of a kilo of sardines, the cheapest fish available, reached six times a year ago. In the Algerian daily Le Quotidien d’Oran on Jan. 7, Mourad Benachenhou writes an article called “Let’s break the infernal circle of inflation and riots”. Denouncing “structural hyperinflation.” In Algeria inflation started swelling in 2001 and today, things are on a breaking point since the effects of inflation [flooding the world with money to pay for “bailouts” and “stimulus”] have become unbearable and no longer accepted, whatever measures of repression are taken by the public authorities.

    The only solution imaginable for people was to go out on the street to demonstrate their having enough of it.

  279. Everyone was worried about ElBaradei and here a US president is going to allow Islamics the legitimacy of government positions..
    ________________________________

    Admin Official: Obama “not ruling out legitimacy” of Muslim Brotherhood for New Egypt Gov’t

    An Obama administration official, speaking anonymously to the Washington Post, said the administration is open to the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood being in the government of Egypt that will likely replace the rule of Hosni Mubarak:

    The official said that while the administration was concerned about “some elements” of the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood and other non-secular groups participating in the demonstrations, it was “not ruling out their legitimacy” and place in a future government.

    Obama was aware that the Muslim Brotherhood and others were in the audience when he spoke of “a new beginning” in a 2009 speech in Cairo that was directed at the Islamic world, the official said. He cited a passage in the speech in which Obama said that “no system of government can or should be imposed by one nation on any other” and that “America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them.”

    The Post buried this unsettling revelation in an article about the administration charting a “delicate course to oust Mubarak.”

    Voice of America reported that at today’s White House briefing, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the administration had no contact with the Muslim Brotherhood:

    Gibbs was also asked about the U.S. position on potential participation of the Muslim Brotherhood in any new governing structure, saying that the United States has had no contact with the group.

    “We have as we have throughout the world, standards for that contact – that is adherence to the law, adherence to non-violence and a willingness to be part of a democratic process, but not use that democratic process to simply instill yourself into power,” he said.

    While the group professes to be non-violent, the Muslim Brotherhood is widely considered to be the father of international Islamic terrorism and is thought to be working to create a global Islamic caliphate.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013106280.html?hpid=topnews

  280. #
    HillaryforTexas
    January 31st, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    lorac, Obama at this point is all stale reruns of promises he’s been making for 2 years.
    &&&&&&&&

    Can’t they show these reruns at 4am along side other infomercials, rather than clutter up prime time.

    Obama-matic. Slices. Dices. Amazing!!

    Obamacare!! Buy into now, and pay later. It all seems FREE!

    SOTU: It’s not just a list of promises. They are empty promises, so they have NO CALORIES!!

  281. I bet it is not lost on Hillary and other patriots in our government that shithead’s reelection (or worse) now depends upon a terrorist act.

  282. “…the Jews aren’t the problem…its the Palestinians that are the problem!”______________

    “Yes, I guess the Israelis should have killed them all, just as their god exhorted them to do in their Old Testament. That may yet be the Final Solution.”

    —————
    Just shaking my head. There are no words for this one.

  283. “The Iron Veil unfurls, ready to fall, and plunge us all into darkness.”

    ———————————

    Brings to my mind this:

    immediately following the second World War, it would not have been possible to destroy the American system militarily. The British Hitler project had failed, and the empire had been forced to come crawling to the United States for assistance in stopping their Frankenstein monster. American President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s economic measures had curbed the banking establishment on Wall St., and his recovery programs had created an explosion of technological and economic optimism that far exceeded what the British had sought to destroy in Germany.

    To stop this, it was necessary for the British to reestablish influence within the United States. On March 5, 1946, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill delivered a speech at Westminster College, in Fulton, Missouri, which later became known as his “Iron Curtain Speech.”

    Winston Churchill Iron Curtain Speech: “… an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, …”

    … the financial establishment launched a full scale takedown of the social and economic reforms created by Franklin Roosevelt. Isn’t that relationship special?

  284. while everyone is waiting for a “smooth transition of power” in Egypt.. The MBs are maneuvering into strategic positions. NOT GOOD!
    And the US continues to mouth the word “present”.
    _______________________

    Iranian warships coming to Mediterranean and Red Seas

    Less than 24 hours after the breakdown of its nuclear dialogue with the six world powers in Istanbul, Iran announced plans Sunday, Jan. 23, to senda fleet of warships, including a home-made destroyer, on operational and intelligence-gathering missions to the Red Sea and on to the Mediterranean through the Suez Canal. debkafile’s military sources: Parts of the fleet will in fact be deployed in the three waters around Israel’s southern and western shores.
    Tehran is taking advantage of the lack of military and diplomatic momentum on the part of US and Israel for a naval thrust to expand its range of operations and encroach on their areas of control.

    It is also a rapid response to the arrival of the USS Enterprise carrier with a strike group carrying 6,000 sailors and marines and 80 warplanes in the Mediterranean at the end of last week on its way to the Arabian Sea opposite Iran. British ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair’s call on the West to stop apologizing and react to Iran with force was not lost on the rulers of the Islamic Republic.

    The Navy Commander, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari spoke of three or four vessels including Iran’s first home-made destroyer, Jamaran, with back-up operational units standing by for urgent support missions.

    His deputy, Rear-Admiral Gholam Reza Bi-Gham said the deployment would last about a year and at some future time, long-distance submarines would join the fleet.

    Since Nov. 2008, the Iranian Navy has been conducting anti-piracy patrols between the Gulf of Aden Straits of Bab al-Mandeb off Yemen so some of its units are not far away.

    Both admirals reported that a flotilla of Iranian naval officer cadets would soon be dispatched to the Mediterranean and Red Seas to gain experience in these new areas and gather intelligence.
    Iran recently purchased three Kilo class submarines from Russia and is using them in the Persian Gulf. debkafile’s military sources report they belong to a bygone generation of subs and lack advanced electronic systems, making it hard for them to stay deep down underwater for long periods without surfacing.

    For two years, Iranian military shipyards have been building miniature submarines, war ships and fast assault craft. Most Western naval give them low ratings in performance especially in view of their outdated electronics.

    debkafile’s military sources, however, estimate that if deployed in support of the warships assigned to the Mediterranean and Red Seas, those mini-submarines and assault craft could be extremely troublesome and give plenty of headaches to American, Israel and Egyptian naval commanders.

    http://debka.com/article/20580/

  285. click…

    In careful words, White House praises ElBaradei and opposes house arrest

    WASHINGTON — The White House is praising Egyptian opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei and saying the government’s policy of keeping him under house arrest has to change.

    ElBaradei was confined after joining the protests that have erupted this week against President Hosni Mubarak.

    Press secretary Robert Gibbs said on Friday that President Barack Obama knows his fellow Nobel Peace Prize laureate well and has worked with ElBaradei on nuclear proliferation issues.

    Asked if ElBaradei’s house arrest should be ended, Gibbs replied, “These are the type of activities that the government has a responsibility to change.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gRgItESmKJxcIHOJtZRa5cMtFZPg?docId=5791136

  286. *Press secretary Robert Gibbs said on Friday that President Barack Obama knows his fellow Nobel Peace Prize laureate well and has worked with ElBaradei on nuclear proliferation issues.*

    What? When did he work with ElBaradei?

  287. “the financial establishment launched a full scale takedown of the social and economic reforms created by Franklin Roosevelt. Isn’t that relationship special?”
    _____________________

    As special as Obama bowing to the Saudi King and sending the bust of Churchill back to the UK.

  288. “Tehran is taking advantage of the lack of military and diplomatic momentum on the part of US and Israel for a naval thrust to expand its range of operations and encroach on their areas of control.”

    ———-

    Yep…while obama parties.

  289. “Press secretary Robert Gibbs said on Friday that President Barack Obama knows his fellow Nobel Peace Prize laureate well and has worked with ElBaradei on nuclear proliferation issues.”
    _______________________

    Gibbs also made a statement this morning saying, Obama has never met with the Muslim Brotherhood. When yesterday and article stated he met with them before his Inauguration.

  290. #
    JanH
    February 1st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    “Tehran is taking advantage of the lack of military and diplomatic momentum on the part of US and Israel for a naval thrust to expand its range of operations and encroach on their areas of control.”

    ———-

    Yep…while obama parties.
    ___________________________

    Tehran is going to start goading and harassing Israel into firing the first shot. Israel has to stand pat.

    Can I wish for something here? Hoping the House is readying paperwork for a formal indictment to Impeach!

  291. Our weather forecast has been revised. It’s going to snow here until Thursday. Temp this am 6 degrees. This storm has broken all records for size in that the storm is stretched 2100 miles from Texas to New England.

    Forget Global Warming, this weather is duplicating the movie,
    “The Day After Tomorrow.”

  292. The State Department Monday issued an updated warning on the “continuing threat of terrorist actions” for US citizens worldwide, and a second advisory cautioning travel to Britain.
    “Current information suggests that Al-Qaeda and affiliated organizations continue to plan terrorist attacks against US interests in multiple regions, including Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East,” said the advisory, which updates the last Worldwide Caution post from August 2010.

    The State Department warned that militant groups could target areas where US citizens may gather in large numbers, such as sporting events, hotels, or places of worship.

    Attacks could involve a variety of tactics “including suicide operations, assassinations, kidnappings, hijackings, and bombings,” said the statement.

    In another warning the State Department cautioned US citizens traveling to or living in Britain, due to a “continuing high level of terrorist threat.”

    The agency also noted that targets could include subway and rail systems, but may include transport hubs in a number variety of European cities — citing the January 24 Moscow airport bombing, which killed 35 people.
    —————————–
    If you accept the proposition that we are at war with radical islam, then by what sophistry of reason should we have a president who refuses to produce records, but according to the only records we do have, was, for at least one period of his life a follower of that faith, and whom, according to his biography and political history was friends with known radicals who not only advocated overthrow of the US government by force or violence, but took affirmative steps to that end. And a spiritual advisor who is the leader of a black liberation cult who preaches racial hatred toward all whites and all Jews. And yet the electorate voted him in, and even now seeing how poorly he has responded to that dire threat and his intention to bring more and more Muslims to our shore with little consideration of their intentions a majority are so brain dead that they tell biased pollsters that he is doing a good job. I say therein lies the real State of The Nation–and the verdict is that it is morally and intellectually bankrupt if that poll is any indication. On the other hand, I wonder about these general advisories. At one level they have some value because the tell people to be alert. On the other hand, they give us little or no specific information, and over the course of time they lost their effect if nothing happens like the boy who cried wolf. Until Obama is removed from office, this threat will continue to grow because nature abhors a vaccuum.

  293. Obama is removed from office, this threat will continue to grow because nature abhors a vaccuum.
    ___________________

    We are in the vacuum now. The threat is no longer a threat. It has become our reality and a possibly a World changer if the US doesn’t act soon.

  294. Jewesy, Td,
    When I said the Israeli’s have always taken care of the Palestinians, I DID NOT mean like we here in American take care of our Ghetto’s. If the Palestinians would quit trying to kill the Jews, they would be full partners in society whereas they own Arab brother’s don’t/won’t share anything with them….so if they had any sense, they’d would embrace their Jewish brother’s and become equal partners in a democratic society, but they don’t because they can’t overcome their hatred of the Jews because the Jews are God’s “chosen people”. It’s all so stupid and it has everything about unforgiveness and hatred…inotherwards it has to do with the devil manipulating the Palestinians. Now this is the last I’m saying on the matter.

  295. Mrs. Smith,
    I will be driving to work during the worst part…I think I’ll pack several days clothes and stay at the hospital if I have too….I hate it though!

  296. I bet it is not lost on Hillary and other patriots in our government that shithead’s reelection (or worse) now depends upon a terrorist act.
    ———————-
    Which way does that cut. If there is a terrorist act he is in? Or, if there is a terrorist act he is out? The experience of history suggests that when there is an attack regime change occurs as a matter of course, e.g. the replacement of Chamberlain by Churchill etc. And yet the experience of Tucson was the opposite, inasmuch as the effect of that terrorist act was to prop up his numbers. Let me suggest an answer. If the terrorist act occurs before the Republican Party selects a candidate for 2012 then it inures to his benefit, because the gullible public has nobody else to rally around and big media will do everything it can to tell us all the wonderful things he is doing to protect us. But if, on the other hand, a Republican candidate has been selected, and it occurs thereafter, and depending on how that individual plays their cards, it will have the opposite effect and messiah Obama will be toast. Logically speaking, there is enough information on the table at this point to conclude that Obama is at least a fool and at most a traitor, although most people would blanch at that characterization, since they have not studied the record as closely as we have, and would prefer to believe in the tooth fairy. As a practical matter however people are motivated by the images on the screen and how it makes them feel emotionally, than by any king of rigorous or not so righorous analysis. Peasants are the same the world over and a college degree is no cure for ignorance and lack of judgment.

  297. #
    confloyd
    February 1st, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Mrs. Smith,
    I will be driving to work during the worst part…I think I’ll pack several days clothes and stay at the hospital if I have too….I hate it though!
    _________________

    A wise decision, confloyd. They’re saying this is the most vicious storm that has ever hit the US in it’s history of collecting weather data. Pack your “charger” (not your horse.. hee!) for your cell phone too- Blankets and a bag of munchies too, in the trunk. n case you get stuck on the road.

  298. Mrs. Smith
    February 1st, 2011 at 10:44 am

    while everyone is waiting for a “smooth transition of power” in Egypt.. The MBs are maneuvering into strategic positions. NOT GOOD!
    And the US continues to mouth the word “present”.

    Iranian warships coming to Mediterranean and Red Seas

    This is proof of the failure of Obama’s approach towards Iran. Appeasement is not the answer when it comes to Iran. As unthinkable and distateful it is to contemplate for some people, it has to be admitted that there is more reason to go to war against Iran than it was to go to war with Iraq.

  299. Obama is a bumbling doofus.
    As much as I am happy that a dictator like Mubarak is being forced to leave (through so far what have been overall peaceful protests) and as much as I hope that Egypt will be able to transition to an open democracy, I think Obama is ruining the USA’s credibility by being seen to throw Mubarak under the bus.
    It’s one thing when he throws fellow Americans under the bus because we are pretty much stuck with him anyway until 2012, but our allies around the world are watching what goes down here.
    The safest course has always been, well, if a longtime ally proves to be a flawed vessel, then we provide asylum but do not hinder or *openly* support the ones who oust him (although there may be cia machinations behind the scenes). If we can we provide support for negotiating a peaceful transition plan. Then delicately negotiate new alliances with the new regime. It requires finesse, deftness, timing — all the skills of real diplomacy.
    But Bo (& Biden) shoot their mouths off and destroy American credibility with our allies.

  300. If the Repubs are smart…and that is a big “if,” they will take this issue with obama, the Muslim Brotherhood, Soros, et al…and blow it sky high.

  301. Mrs. Smith,
    You yankees really know how to pack to drive in this crap, LOL!

    BTW, John and I are going to travel in America when he retires…he says he would love to see New England so you might meet me still yet, LOL!

    Things are just too unstable out of the country these days and we both are unlucky. There is so much to see in America and first and foremost I want to be there when Hillary is inaugurated, nothing would stop me from seeing that! LOL! Of coarse I’ll go see anyone that has/had a uterus, republican or democrat, but I have my heart set on Hillary first!

    So are we kicking Odrama out of office…thru impeachment???

  302. turndownobama
    February 1st, 2011 at 12:45 am
    Whether ‘flight is a solution’ may depend on whether you have some place to go. The Pilgrims did pretty well over here, even without much help.

    Being invited to a new place set aside as a new homeland, in the safe heart of the US, surrounded with the full protection of the US — is not exactly shabby.

    Our founders had some bombs bursting in air for a while, but soon settled down to create something new and wonderful. Think what the Jews could do, given US land and no bombs or mortors at all to deal with. The world needs what they could offer, if they weren’t stressed out with military defense.

    turndown,

    Your solution is no solution at all. It is appeasement of the Muslim aggressors in the Middle East. The proper response to aggression is NOT retreat. The easier solution would be to move the Palestinians into Jordan. Fact of the matter is, the Palestinians also have a claim to a large part of Jordan(in fact, much larger than the land in Israel) but the Jordanian government would have none of it. It would be easier for Jordan to give part of their land to the Palestinians but they would not because this is not about land but about religion. Muslims do not want Jews in Israel.

  303. Bill Nelson of Fla. was on one of the morning shows saying that the Egyptians respected the new VP (Suleiman?) and that he should be named head of Egypt by Mubarek. If this is the official dem position via the WH, it is so far off the mark that it is stunning. I wonder if he was sent out as a trial balloon to test this idea with the American people. Anyone know if he has floated a WH position before?

  304. Clinton to join security talks in Germany
    (AFP) – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will later this week travel to Germany to attend international security talks and exchange documents putting into force a US-Russian nuclear arms treaty.

    Clinton spokesman Philip Crowley said she will take part in the Munich Security Conference from Friday through Saturday as well as hold bilateral meetings and speak about the “transatlantic security relationship.”

    German organizers said among those attending will be Afghan President Hamid Karzai, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron.

    On Saturday, Crowley said Clinton and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov will exchange instruments of ratification for the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), which will then enter into force.

    A responsible partnership between the world’s two largest nuclear powers to limit our nuclear arsenals while maintaining strategic stability is imperative to promoting global security,” Crowley said in a statement.

    “With New START, the United States and Russia have reached another milestone in our bilateral relationship and continue the momentum Presidents (Barack) Obama and (Dmitry) Medvedev created with the ‘reset’ nearly two years ago,” he said.

    Medvedev signed the new START agreement’s ratification on January 28 after the milestone pact’s passage the same week by both houses of Russia’s parliament and the US Senate last month.

    Crowley did not refer to a meeting of the international Quartet of Middle East mediators, who are due to hold a high-level meeting in Munich on Saturday to try to revive Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.

    That meeting was announced by the European Union on January 13.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hr80YvygXbwAViLn-mSeYiv_yVBw?docId=CNG.0a272664987adaa3bf793f4d11f4fe3a.2b1

  305. Well, I no sooner ask a question than I get an answer: Uppity woman’s blog has this information about Suleiman taking a bigger role in the Egypt situation:

    3.The new Vice-President, Omar Suleiman, said he had been asked to open dialogue with political parties on some of the protesters’ demands – including constitutional reform. He also announced new elections would be held in some districts where there was evidence of irregularities in last year’s parliamentary election.

  306. Just skimming the comments it appears we are headed to war…and this is making the stock market rise like crazy….well nothing like blood in the streets to make money! Disgusting.

    Jordan is now involved…this is what Glenn Beck predicted….of coarse he says we are next! Hyper-inflation due to gas prices and then complete collapse of the US….this is what the powers are pushing for!

    I have to say that in the book “The Shock Doctrine” this is exactly what happened when the IMF was controlling the other countries economy…. Stock markets rises and then drops to nothing!

  307. confloyd
    February 1st, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Mrs. Smith,
    You yankees really know how to pack to drive in this crap, LOL!
    ________________________

    My son was amazed the lack of snow equipment when snow hits TX. No sanding trucks, plows etc…Rollovers galore on those flat roads… (All mountains, hills and valleys here.) scary proposition driving in snow storms in TX. Almost every household here have 4×4 ATVs.

    No, really. When I had 4 employees, 4 kids and 22 horses to think for, you try to not be wanting or needing anything when you are under duress. So you become a weather maven, checking if you have enough feed and food and water for the horses and humans as soon as drastic weather is predicted. Hard habit to break.

    Since the farm was sold, I’ve transfered those logistics to the dishwasher and washing machine. I hate having dirty laundry around and dirty dishes if the power goes out. Strange, I know- but when your sitting by candlelight and can’t get anything done, it drives me crazy.

  308. Looking at the protest in Egypt right now, I am full of envy. To see over a million people united and peaceful in a protest..it is wonderful.
    Also to see more women and children standing proud with their fellow citizens is unbelievable.

    I hope it stays peaceful and they have their voices heard.

  309. Various factions are going to use the situation to their own advantage when the eye is off the ball.

    We’ll see in full front and centre now what Obama is all about…can he handle a crisis on multiple fronts…I doubt it.

  310. In the huge protest, it was just announced that a gigantic screen is being set up, with Al Jazeera programing on it, so they can see what is going on and the the entire world is watching their protest.

  311. The dispatch of warships to the waters off Egypt by Iran is a smart strategic move–for them, because a warship is not merely an instrument of violence, it is also a symbolic representation of power. When President Teddy Roosevelt sent the Great White Fleet around the world it had that effect without firing a single shot except for the short barrage off the Island of Moli Kai, to commemorate the work done by the Catholic Priest who set up the leper colony there. The answer to this for the United States is to send our own fleet, but if we are despised by the local population for the way Obama has mucked this thing up, then it may have the opposite effect because in that case our ships are likely to be seen by the Arab street as instruments of western oppression, and the Iranian ships may be seen as instruments of liberation from western oppression. It is not unlikely that some incident will occur what with opposing fleets side by side and emotions running high. Iran may use this as one more example to humiliate the United States and we can count on Obama to hide from a decision, like he did with the Somolian pirates until a decision is forced upon him by our military and external events. This is beyond the ken of a community organizer qua wall street shill qua chicago thug qua empty suit like him. No I take that back there is nothing in all human history like him–a flake on steroids with supreme power.

  312. Jordan is now involved
    _________________

    I didn’t post it here, but I read Abdullah fired his cabinet because they did nothing to calm the protests and demonstrations going on in Jordan. The protesters want Abdullah to vacate the country and have the Muslim Brotherhood take over. In Abdullah’s bio, he is claimed to be a direct descendant of Mohammad. So much for their admiration of their religion if it doesn’t suit their purposes.

  313. I hope Charlotte has lots of cleaning material……..

    The Democratic National Committee announced Tuesday that Charlotte, and not St. Louis, will be the site of its 2012 convention, ending with a thud an all-out effort by city officials here to land the event, and the thousands of visitors and national attention that comes with it.

    St. Louis and Charlotte were the top contenders among four finalists, a list that also included Cleveland and Minneapolis.

    In the end, the decision may have come down to politics. While St. Louis showcased its facilities and civic ardor, North Carolina is viewed as key to Obama’s chances to return to the White House.

    “The news today from the Democratic National Committee announcing Charlotte as the site of the 2012 Convention was not what we all wanted to hear, but we offer sincere congratulations to Charlotte and look forward to being there in September of 2012,” said Brian Wahby, a St. Louis Democrat who helped lead the city’s convention bid.

  314. Jordan’s best hope is to rapidly embrace reform. That’s the only way to quell protests long-term — get the people on your side by being on their side.

  315. If Jordan goes and the U.S. doesn’t do anything to stop it, it stands to reason that Israel is in this on their own.

  316. Janh, Israel may as well build a 100ft wall encircling the entire country and have its own Berlin wall because sure as hell those borders are about to become big trouble.

  317. Oh Goody we’re expecting another statement from the Fright House, i wonder which position he’s taking this time or did he spin the wheel of fortune.

  318. South Dakota lawmakers have put forward a bill to mandate that all citizens of SD purchase a gun.

    No, they are not serious. They are making the point that if the govt can force one to purchase health insurance, there is really no reason why citizens can’t be forced to purchase whatever the govt decides.

  319. JanH-anyone who even remotely looked into Obama’s background knew or had reason to know his pro-muslim/anti-Israeli orientation. There is no surprise there. The fact that he has betrayed not only Israel, but England, Germany, France, only furthers his goal of destabilizing tradiotonal allies to appease and encorage his Muslim/Arab breathren. Israel will survive because she has nuclear weapons and will use them if necessary for her survival, and more importantly, we are g-ds chosen people and he will not abandon us despite what Obama has done to destroy Israel.

  320. d@mn this snow! I sneaked out this morning hoping to stock up before it hit, but NO. Now my car is stuck in the driveway and we’v already got 6 inches and I can’t get it to the garage. I’m counting my blessings. At least I’m not stuck on the highway.

    About the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt, anyone else think it’s suspicious that BO gave his speech in Cairo and that maybe the seed of the Muhbarak overthrow had been planted back then and somehow (for you conspiracy theorists) Bo and his handlers dknew about it and Bo was (s)elected becasue of his Muslim sympathies?

    I don’t know. It just seems too coincidental. All you investigators here, (confloyd) what say you?

  321. In other words…World War III

    Jan, That’s what I’m afraid of. One thing I think is for sure, Israel will not, and should not, allow anything or anyone to overtake them. After what happened in WW11, after all the horror, the injustice, the genocide the Jewish have endured, I think they have every right in the world to defend themselves to the end. And if other countries don’t come to their assistance and then somehow get sucked into th apocolypse, they have no one to blame but themsleves.

    I hope the US stands by Israel. I hope conditions don’t escalate. but if they do, i wouldn’t blame Israel for doing everything in their power to protect themselves.

  322. basil9
    February 1st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    **************************
    Dan Rather came right out and said the Obama planted the seeds of this when he made his speech in Egypt calling for democratic changes. I was surprised at his frankness.

  323. #
    JanH
    February 1st, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    If Jordan goes and the U.S. doesn’t do anything to stop it, it stands to reason that Israel is in this on their own.
    _______________

    Jordan won’t go without a fight. Abdullah is no chicken-shit sitting on his hands waiting for a smooth transition. He needs to work in tandem with Israel.. In doing so this alignment will be seen by Islam as choosing Israel over his own brothers.

    He needs to call on the US for support now- Let the US back peddle or turn a blind eye… and all Hell might break loose in this country from the Jewish and Christian communities.

  324. Well I’m wondering if this will be the final straw that broke the camel’s back for Hillary. If obama allows this mess to continue, I would say she would have every reason to resign.

  325. “Synagogue burned in Tunisia, nearby police did nothing to intervene.”

    ————–
    Shades of Kristallnacht II.

    May the victims all rest in peace.

  326. Answering my own question.

    Klein: Obama’s troubling relationship with Muslim Brotherhood
    February 1, 2011 by Brenda J. Elliott
    Aaron Klein, Jerusalem bureau chief for World Net Daily, writes:

    President Obama and top administration officials have evidenced troubling relationships with the Muslim Brotherhood and its worldwide allies.
    The Brotherhood represents the main opposition in Egypt, where the White House has seemingly been championing protests targeting the regime of President Hosni Mubarak, a key U.S. ally in the Middle East.

    The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to spread Islam around the world, in large part using nonviolent means. Hamas and al-Qaida are violent Brotherhood offshoots.

    Muslim Brotherhood members were reportedly invited to attend President Obama’s 2009 address to the Muslim world from Cairo. Khaled Hamza, editor of the Muslim Brotherhood Web site, confirmed at the time that 10 members of the Brotherhood’s parliamentary bloc received official invitations to attend Obama’s historic speech.

    Also in 2009, the Egyptian daily newspaper Almasry Alyoum ran a report claiming Obama had met with U.S. and European-based representatives of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood that year
    According to the report, the Brotherhood members requested that news of the meeting not be publicized. They expressed to Obama their support for democracy and the war on terror.

    The newspaper also reported Brotherhood members communicated to Obama their position that the Muslim Brotherhood would abide by all agreements Egypt has signed with foreign countries, implying that if they took power in Egypt they would continue that country’s peace treaty with Israel.

    Besides contact with the Muslim Brotherhood itself, there have been multiple reports the past two years of behind-the-scenes contact with Hamas, which was founded as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas maintains a close alliance with the Brotherhood; in fact, the Brotherhood’s new leader, Muhammad Badi, serves as a de facto lead spiritual guide for Hamas.

    Multiple top leaders of Hamas in Gaza claimed to WND several times they passed messages to Obama through dignitaries who visited the Gaza Strip, including Jimmy Carter and Sen. John Kerry – both of whom have a close relationship with the White House.

    Kerry, for example, reportedly accepted a letter for Obama from Hamas leaders in Gaza during a February 2009 visit to U.N. installations in the coastal territory.

  327. Shades of Kristallnacht II.

    Jan, I’m afraid you could be right.

    BigCatLover, I didn’t know that. Thanks.

    H4T,
    Thanks for the update.

  328. In November 2008, WND first quoted Hamas officials stating they would be sending a letter to Obama.

    Immediately after that month’s elections, Ahmed Yousef, Hamas’ chief political adviser in Gaza, called Obama’s win a “historic victory” for the world and told WND that Hamas was sending a letter of congratulation to the president-elect

  329. basil9,
    I think its a given that BO was selected for just this and I think rethugs and dem’s are complicent in this…its the antisemites who’ve done this….and just because Rethugs have taken God as their Avatar doesn’t mean they REALLy believe what they preach (at least some of them). It’s their cover…it’s mostly the Bushites that are doing this along with Kissinger and Zbig…they are all atheists and their God is MONEY! These globalists could care less about anything but power and money. Perhaps Obama thinks he will help Africa if he goes along with the NWO guys, but in essence is just a puppet….they don’t give one crap about him either. He is a useful idiot…that’s all!

  330. HillaryforTexas

    Here we go.

    Synagogue burned in Tunisia, nearby police did nothing to intervene.

    —–
    Seeing the huge peaceful protest in Egypt right now, there is always an outside element of any peaceful protest that hijack the sentiment and causes destruction, painting the protest as ‘violent’.

    I think of the protests here, back in the 60ies and 70ies against all the young American’s that were dying in Viet Nam and the endless war…it was peaceful except for hijackers like freakin’ Ayers and his thugs.

    There are always evil people that want to take anger to the next level and hide inside the peaceful masses.

    I hope the hatred shown in Tunisia does not reflect the general public there.

  331. From the same article; Note Jarrett’s involvement.

    Obama ties to Brotherhood’s U.S. allies
    It is not just Obama’s reported contacts with the Muslim Brotherhood and the group’s allies in the Middle East that are concerning.

    The Obama administration also has evidenced a working relationship with several U.S.-based Islamist organizations that are listed by the Brotherhood as “likeminded” organizations.

    One such group is the Islamic Society of North America, or ISNA, a radical Muslim group that was an unindicted co-conspirator in a scheme to raise money for Hamas.

    ISNA was named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood document – “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America” – as one of the Brotherhood’s likeminded “organizations of our friends” who shared the common goal of transforming countries into Muslim nations.

    The White House relationship with ISNA began even before Obama took office. One week before the presidential inauguration, Sayyid Syeed, national director of the ISNA Office for Interfaith and Community Alliances, was part of a delegation that met with the directors of Obama’s transition team. The delegation discussed a request for an executive order ending “torture.”
    ISNA President Ingrid Mattson represented American Muslims at Obama’s inauguration, where she offered a prayer during the televised event.

    Mattson also has represented ISNA at Obama’s annual Ramadan dinners, including the last such event in which Obama announced support for the rights of Muslims to build an Islamic cultural center and mosque two blocks from the site of the 9-11 attacks.

    In June 2009, Obama’s top aide, Valerie Jarrett, invited Mattson to work on the White House Council on Women and Girls, which Jarrett leads.

    That July, the Justice Department sponsored an information booth at an ISNA bazaar in Washington, D.C.

    Also that month, Jarrett addressed ISNA’s 46th annual convention. According to the White House, Jarrett attended as part of Obama’s outreach to Muslims.

    It was an ISNA-sponsored event that sponsored a February 2010 question and answer session with Obama’s top adviser on counter-terrorism, John Brennan, who came under fire for controversial remarks he made at that session, which was addressed to Muslim law students at New York University

    Other Muslim Brotherhood “likeminded” organizations that have been welcome at the White House include the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, and the Islamic Society of North America.

  332. Rethugs have taken God as their Avatar doesn’t mean they REALLy believe what they preach..

    —–
    God as their Avatar, that’s a classic!!!

    😆

  333. Jan,

    My neighbor is a saint. He’ll be over later to help me dig the car out and plow the driveway. Of course I pay him but no amount of money is enough for the help he gives me. I keep trying to pay him more but he won’t hear of it. I usually buy him and his wife a dinner gift certificate at the end of the season. They never want to take. They say they’re just being good neighbors. But since I’ve already spent the money they reluctantly accept it.

    I am lucky.

  334. Oh a new slogan…….

    Got your “WE DO BIG THINGS” T-shirt?

    President Barack Obama’s political operation is quietly using the afterglow of his State of the Union address to begin activating grassroots supporters as the start of a continuous wave of engagement that will culminate when he stands for reelection on Nov. 6, 2012.

    The flurry of events is designed to help Democrats shake off the disappointment of the midterms and get excited about the second half of Obama’s term.

    The Democratic National Committee’s Organizing for America project kicked off the drive with State of the Union watch parties in all 50 states, and now will follow that up with service events, letter-writing parties and phone banks.

    ……………….

    They do big things alright and fuck them up royally like the middle east, healthcare, the economy. I’d steer clear of that slogan.

  335. Ooh El Baradei may have an opponent, President Nasser’s (1956 to 1970) son is on the streets with the protesters and drawing backing.

  336. Shadowfax, I don’t believe that all of tunisia are hateful anti-semites. The problem is that those communities and those countries don’t have a good track record of standing against those who are.

    This whole thing just sucks. I’m very worried for the Egyptian women. I well remember the Ayatollah Khomeini giving a big speech when he was allowed back to Iran – assuring the hopeful and sincere protestors that he was all in favor of full rights for women, a free press, etc. These radical islamist fuckers will smile and lie through their teeth to get power. Next thing you know it’s Jews gone and women being stoned.

  337. So we have had statements today from Erdogan in Ankara and also from Ahmadinnerjacket in Tehran….Washington DC…crickets.

  338. H4T,
    This time we have Hillary….she will stand and fight for the women…although she can be outnumbered, I doubt she can be outshouted! I thank God we have Hillary, even in the place she is in is better than nothing….afterall…she can give a press conference a spill her guts on the “ONE” and he knows it.

  339. basil9,
    We are all lucky that there still are people out there who care about their fellow citizen….glad you have good neighbors!

  340. confloyd,

    I can’t imagine living here without them. I’m a city girl transported to the mountains and while most of the time I love it I am not used to the snow, living on a hill and surviving through these acts of nature.

    But it’s been three years now and I’m getting more used to it. One thing I discovered (even after the illness) and as I’m regaining strength is I am simply not cut from the same hardy cloth as the locals.

  341. moononpluto
    *Why does Kerry look like a corpse when he is on TV, spouting rubbish again.*

    Mummy look-alike? (kidding!)

  342. #
    JanH
    February 1st, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Well I’m wondering if this will be the final straw that broke the camel’s back for Hillary. If obama allows this mess to continue, I would say she would have every reason to resign.
    _______________________

    Hillary can’t resign now. She would be relinquishing power and the power of her voice. She has to stay and keep a watchful eye on new developments. She would never leave now- (just sayin’)

  343. I think its a given that BO was selected for just this and I think rethugs and dem’s are complicent in this…its the antisemites who’ve done this….and just because Rethugs have taken God as their Avatar doesn’t mean they REALLy believe what they preach (at least some of them). It’s their cover…it’s mostly the Bushites that are doing this along with Kissinger and Zbig…they are all atheists and their God is MONEY! These globalists could care less about anything but power and money. Perhaps Obama thinks he will help Africa if he goes along with the NWO guys, but in essence is just a puppet….they don’t give one crap about him either. He is a useful idiot…that’s all!
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    It is all the money men. They pick the winners and losers. They control the media. The rest is just theater. The only consolation is they are not a monolith. They do have different opinions. And they do not all support the same candidate. That is the only hope we have got. I have given up on the idea that the public is smart enough to not be conned. I have also given up on the idea that the press is willing to report truth. It is all one big set up. The one thing I insist on however having seen how both parties operate from the inside is they are more alike than different, each one serves moneyed interests and anyone who believes that party label is a reliable indicator of how they will behave is destined to be very disappointed in the end, because each party will betray you and so will the media if you entrust your judgment and your vote to them. The only thing you can do is try to find candidates who believe in what you believe and invest whatever hope you have left in their ability to navigate the currents and edies of a corrupt political system. Also, you must make some allowance for the fact that individuals may grow in the job and rise above the partisan interests of their party, or some phony notion of bipartisanship and actually represent the interests of the American People. Like I said before I see those possibilities now in the junior senator from my state Maria Cantwell (D-Wa) which I did not see there before. Her support for Glass Steegle plus her reported willingness to repeal Obama care are an indication that someone in congress is willing to stand up to the special interests and do what is right for the country. I guess that makes me cynical but not hopeless.

  344. Muslims do not want Jews in Israel.

    ========

    If all the Muslim countries feel this way, then moving the Palestinians would not help.

  345. Pack your “charger” (not your horse.. hee!) for your cell phone too-

    ======================

    If there’s still time to buy something, get one of those wind-up thingys to charge your phone, to save the car’s battery.

  346. I think she made her choice which is not to run and to stick this one out in her current position. And now, with the deterioration of our foreign policy throughout the world she cannot leave even if she wants to. It is partly a matter of attempting to restore public and international confidence in the United States after Obama has squandered it and it is partly a matter of not allowing herself to be labeled a quitter and scapegoated for his incompetence. It is Faustian in that sense. It is hard for me to watch it for that reason, because whenever I do I am reminded of what might have been if the people of this country had gotten who they wanted, needed and deserved at this tipping point in our history. Instead they got bamboozled.

  347. Violent demonstrations over recent weeks in several countries — including Tunisia and Algeria — have been provoked in part by escalating food prices.

    In Egypt, demonstrators keep shouting “Bread, Liberty and Dignity!,” a slogan they took from the Tunisians.

    In Egypt, inflation reached 12.8% in 2010. Food riots had hit already in 2008.

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    As environmentalists predicted in the 1970s. Too many people, too little food.

  348. Official breaking news: Obama has asked Mubarak not to run in the Sept elections. This is not going to pacify the protestors. Talking about being always behind the ball. I don’t see how this will calm anything. Gibbs and the head of FEMA are supposed to hold a press conference soon, but they’ve postponed it several times today.

  349. Oops, Fox reporting that Obama did not ask Mubarak to not run directly, but used an envoy to do it. Pathetic.

  350. 02/ 1/2011

    Egypt is a PR problem for Obama team?

    By Jennifer Rubin

    That’s the take from the New York Times.

    On National Security Adviser Tom Donilon “running the behind-the-scenes discussions,” the Times quotes a “senior administration official”:

    “It’s no secret that Tom’s style is one of running a very intense process,” the official said. “Lots of meetings. Lots of inter-agency coordination. A very aggressive process. We are meeting very frequently at all levels of our government, insuring that we have the most up to date information for when we need to brief the president.”

    Got that? It’s all about process. Fields of process. A tremendous amount of process.

    But what about action and results? Not so much, for the administration is now playing the role of bystander, apparently unaware that our passivity communicates a lack of interest in, and, indeed, wariness of, democratic movements.

    The Times also suggests that the administration views international events, even monumental ones, as mere distractions:

    White House aides recognize a political danger: Much of the attention of the American media has — at least temporarily — shifted away from the narrative of the turnaround in Mr. Obama’s political fortunes. Meanwhile, most Americans, though transfixed by the images from Egypt, remain primarily concerned about the economic situation in this country.

    For Mr. Gibbs, the episode has a familiar feel. Several times in the past two years, Mr. Obama’s administration has been diverted from its primary message by crises around the country or the globe.

    This president plainly sees his domestic mission as paramount and all else as secondary. (“Distractions come with the job for all presidents,” the Times explains.) Unfortunately, both our friends and foes can see that.

    And finally, even the Times confirms that passivity soon devolves into incoherence:

    Again and again, Mr. Gibbs, who will also leave the White House next month, endorsed what the White House has decided should be a bedrock principle in this kind of situation: an “orderly transition” to a government that respects the human and political rights of its people.

    But Mr. Gibbs would not say whether such an orderly transition would require the departure of Mr. Mubarak, as many of the protesters in the streets of Egypt are demanding.

    The administration seems to believe that voting “present” is a sufficient foreign policy tactic.

    But despite the Obama team’s best efforts, the public and media are focused on Egypt. And soon it may be Jordan that grabs our attention. For they see what the president does not: the potential for epic change in a critical part of the world. But the president has bigger fish to fry — light rail! For a candidate who was lauded as worldly and sophisticated, President Obama, at times, can seem awfully insular and small-minded.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/02/egypt_is_a_pr_problem_for_obam.html

  351. The only thing you can do is try to find candidates who believe in what you believe and invest whatever hope you have left in their ability to navigate the currents and edies of a corrupt political system. [….] I see those possibilities now in the junior senator from my state Maria Cantwell (D-Wa) which I did not see there before. Her support for Glass Steegle plus her reported willingness to repeal Obama care are an indication that someone in congress is willing to stand up to the special interests

    ==================

    I tend to agree on both the general and the specific. Find a trustworthy candidate — or at least one who supports Hillary. And Cantwell endorsed Hillary early in 2008 and stuck with her till very late.

  352. #
    HillaryforTexas
    February 1st, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Shadowfax, I don’t believe that all of tunisia are hateful anti-semites. The problem is that those communities and those countries don’t have a good track record of standing against those who are.

    This whole thing just sucks. I’m very worried for the Egyptian women. I well remember the Ayatollah Khomeini giving a big speech when he was allowed back to Iran – assuring the hopeful and sincere protestors that he was all in favor of full rights for women, a free press, etc. These radical islamist fuckers will smile and lie through their teeth to get power. Next thing you know it’s Jews gone and women being stoned.

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    Yup, those radiacal islamists are a danger to all the above mentioned and I am afraid they will only wear their sheep suits until they force their way into the government of these countries.

    Thugs in robes are still thugs and killers.

  353. CNN reporting that momentarily Mubarak will announce on tape that he will not run in the next election and WH says his son will not run either.

  354. CNN reporting that momentarily Mubarak will announce on tape that he will not run in the next election and WH says his son will not run either.

    ——
    Well that is something. Just think, a week ago or so he saw himself as Pharaoh of Egypt with an endless rein of luxury.
    Now, he will probably scurry around hording all the goodies he can get his hands on before Sept.

    I don’t think this is going to fly with the protesters, they want him out NOW and not consider voting him out in Sept.
    He is toast and has to start packing his bags, like it or not.

    I wish that Egypt had a Hillary of their own to take over.

  355. Obama is making an absolute mess of this, he is way behind the ball on this and it looks like to the Middle East that Obama is doing all he can to keep the regime in place.

  356. Obama is taking credit for this even though he didn’t actually ask Mubarak to step down. If this goes bad, Obama will distance himself from the request.

  357. Moon

    Obama is making an absolute mess of this, he is way behind the ball on this and it looks like to the Middle East that Obama is doing all he can to keep the regime in place.

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    Voting ‘present’.

  358. Tuesday, February 1, 2011

    Muslim Brotherhood:

    Suez Canal Must be Closed, Egypt Should be Ready for War with Israel

    As the world watches the chaos in Egypt continue, a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood, one of the major political groups fighting for power, has now greatly increased tension in the reason.

    Muhammad Ghannem told an Iranian news network that if he and the Muslim Brotherhood had his way, the Suez Canal would be closed immediately. This would not only hurt capital coming in for the Mubarak government, but it would have further repercussions, as one-third of the world’s oil is transported through the canal. This could increase the price of oil and gas substantially.

    Continuing, Ghannem stated that gas flowing from Egypt to Israel should stop immediately, “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” Once again, this would hurt the Mubarak regime and would also hurt the Israeli economy in the process.

    However, Ghannem’s most provocative statements came about war with Israel. Talking about what the Muslim Brotherhood is prepared to do, Ghannem stated that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel.” This implies that a war with Israel could be inevitable if the group takes substantial power in Egypt.

    Hosni Mubarak, the besieged President of Egypt is still in power despite protests from hundreds of thousands of Egyptians. Mr. Mubarak is famous for ruling Egypt for 30 years, but also because he is one of the only Middle Eastern countries to have a formal peace treaty with Israel.

    Should the Muslim Brotherhood take power, that distinction would likely end.

    Ghannem continued his interview, confidently saying that the armies of Egypt would not listen to Mubarak. When asked about the soldiers in the street, Ghannem stated that they “would not kill their brothers,” even if the order has already been issued.

    He lastly stated that the United States did, in fact, support Mubarak. However, “seeing millions head for the streets,” the United States has “abandoned” plans to help Mubarak retain power.

    http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/02/muslim-brotherhood-suez-canal-must-be.html

  359. Bill Richardson is on Fox pushing ElBaradei to take over in Egypt. This is a change from Bill Nelson’s pusing of Suleiman this morning. Fox is reminding Richardson of ElBaradei’s recent statements that he is reaching out to the MB.

  360. The man stuck in the middle in all this is King Abdullah. I imagine deals and proposals were made to him recently and before now, being a man of integrity, he declined.

    Deals in the way of joining in with the Brotherhood, keeping his throne, family and citizens safely intact for the prize they seek, opening a clear path into Israel.

    Choosing what’s right comes with a price. Abdullah is putting his life on the line for what he believes is right. Not joining in with the murderous thugs who will at a moments notice wipe Israel off the face of the Earth forever and a day.

    Their next move will be coming here and repeating the same decimation of the greatest country on Earth under the guise of their unholy fanaticism.

  361. it looks like to the Middle East that Obama is doing all he can to keep the regime in place.

    ==============

    NOT a good appearnace. Kiss of death. And whose idea was it to sell Mub those tear gas cannisters labeled “Made in USA”?

  362. So can we now expect Obama to go down on bended knee and plead with Mubarak, why not, he’s done it everywhere else.

  363. Too many people, too little food.

    ————

    turndown, the dramatic rise in food prices is a direct result of Bernanke monetizing the US debt. Rather than facing our economic and debt problems, we are printing money by the ton, and exporting the inflation to other currencies that are pegged to ours (such as Egypt.) Commodity prices are skyrocketing as a direct result of the actions of our Federal Reserve.

  364. Bill Richardson
    ——————
    A dim bulbed toadie and a perfect pinata. No grasp of foreign policy. Just another pretty face with or without the scraggly beard. If he cannot be trusted to keep his word, how can he be trusted to accurately or intelligently discuss a crisis in foreign affairs. Oh that is right. He solved the whole problem of North Korea and today they are a peace loving democracy. Hands off fat boy. You have no clue what you are doing. Leave it to the pros.

  365. If Mubarak keeps this shit up, he is gonna get Mussolini’ed and strung up by the feet in the City Square.

  366. Yesterday?
    _______________________

    U.S. ‘held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood’
    Discussed fall of Egypt with group dedicated to Islam’s global spread

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: February 01, 2011

    By Aaron Klein

    JERUSALEM – The Egyptian government has information a diplomat at the U.S. embassy in Cairo secretly met yesterday with a senior leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, the nation’s major Islamist opposition group, WND has learned.

    The topic of the meeting was the future of Egypt following the “fall” of President Hosni Mubarak, an Egyptian intelligence official told WND.

    The claim comes amid charges from Cairo that the Obama administration has been encouraging the protests rocking Egypt and targeting the rule of Mubarak, a key U.S. ally in the Middle East.

    The Egyptian intelligence official told WND his government has information of a meeting that took place yesterday between Issam El-Erian, a senior leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and Frank Wisner, a former U.S. ambassador to Egypt.

    The Obama administration dispatched Wisner to Egypt this past weekend to report to the State Department and White House a general sense of the situation in the embattled country.

    The Egyptian intelligence official speaking to WND said the meeting took place inside the American embassy in Cairo

    The U.S. State Department would neither confirm nor deny the report.

    The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to spread Islam around the world, in large part using nonviolent means. Hamas and al-Qaida are violent Brotherhood offshoots.

    The latest information is not the first charge by the Egyptian government that the Obama administration has been working with or encouraging the opposition to Mubarak.

    Last week, a senior Egyptian diplomat stated the Egyptian government suspects elements of the current uprising there, particularly political aspects, are being coordinated with the U.S. State Department and Obama administration.

    The senior Egyptian diplomat told WND the Mubarak regime suspects the U.S. has been aiding protest planning by Mohamed ElBaradei, who is seen as one of the main opposition leaders in Cairo.

    ElBaradei, former International Atomic Energy Agency chief, has reinvented himself as a campaigner for “reform” in Egypt. He is a candidate for this year’s scheduled presidential elections.

    ElBaradei arrived in Cairo just after last week’s protests began and is reportedly being confined to his home by Egyptian security forces.

    He is seen as an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    This past weekend, the London Telegraph reported the U.S. embassy in Cairo in 2008 helped a young dissident attend a U.S.-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

    The Telegraph would not identify the dissident, but said he was involved in helping to stir the current protests. The report claimed the dissident told the U.S. embassy in Cairo that an alliance of opposition groups had a plan to topple Mubarak’sgovernment.

    The disclosures, contained in U.S. diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, show American officials pressed the Egyptian government to release other dissidents who had been detained by the police.

    The White House has been almost openly championing the unrest in Egypt.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for an “orderly transition” to democracy in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood is the main opposition group.

    Obama reportedly voiced support for an “orderly transition” in Egypt that is responsive to the aspirations of Egyptians in phone calls with foreign leaders, the White House said.

    Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough, speaking in a White House webcast, also urged the government and protesters in Egypt to refrain from violence.

    Egyptian officials speaking to WND, however, warned the Muslim Brotherhood has the most to gain from any political reform.

    Read more: U.S. ‘held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258405#ixzz1Ck4SmeCU

    Read more: U.S. ‘held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258405#ixzz1Ck3bgo1W

  367. The question here is ‘is Richardson a spokesperson for the WH’. Before I would have said no but wasn’t he just recently sent overseas to represent the administration. If he is just trying to hog tv time for his own purposes, then we can ignore him, but if he is putting out ideas for the WH, that gives us a clue what they are trying to promote.

  368. The worst thing Obama can be doing in a crisis is sending conflicting signals. It is the sure sign of an amateur. A very dangerous one. One minute he is all for undermining the regime, then the next minute he is all for propping it up. It is as if he wants to destabilize the region, which cannot be true at all because he is such an honest loyal and hard working American president according to our beloved big media.

  369. They may have no choice but to allow groups like the MB a small voice in the govt. The hard reality is that it may be necessary to even get enough consensus to form a new govt.

    This is where it gets dicey. You don’t want a repeat of Iran. So how do you allow the MB in, but immediately start working to strengthen and organize the “sane” opposition that wants a secular rule, so that people like the MB are marginalized at worst, eventually rejected at best?

    There really aren’t any simple answers here, and any route you take is fraught with peril. You’ve got an autocratic dictator on one hand, a potential theocratic dictatorship on the other, and a bunch of well-meaning rubes (and I don’t mean that as an insult) in the middle who have never had the opportunity to organize, or participate in a true civil and secular society.

  370. Yesterday?
    _______________________

    U.S. ‘held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood’
    Discussed fall of Egypt with group dedicated to Islam’s global spread

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: February 01, 2011

    By Aaron Klein

    JERUSALEM – The Egyptian government has information a diplomat at the U.S. embassy in Cairo secretly met yesterday with a senior leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, the nation’s major Islamist opposition group, WND has learned.

    The topic of the meeting was the future of Egypt following the “fall” of President Hosni Mubarak, an Egyptian intelligence official told WND.

    The claim comes amid charges from Cairo that the Obama administration has been encouraging the protests rocking Egypt and targeting the rule of Mubarak, a key U.S. ally in the Middle East.

    The Egyptian intelligence official told WND his government has information of a meeting that took place yesterday between Issam El-Erian, a senior leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and Frank Wisner, a former U.S. ambassador to Egypt.

    The Obama administration dispatched Wisner to Egypt this past weekend to report to the State Department and White House a general sense of the situation in the embattled country.

    The Egyptian intelligence official speaking to WND said the meeting took place inside the American embassy in Cairo

    The U.S. State Department would neither confirm nor deny the report.

    The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to spread Islam around the world, in large part using nonviolent means. Hamas and al-Qaida are violent Brotherhood offshoots.

    The latest information is not the first charge by the Egyptian government that the Obama administration has been working with or encouraging the opposition to Mubarak.

    Last week, a senior Egyptian diplomat stated the Egyptian government suspects elements of the current uprising there, particularly political aspects, are being coordinated with the U.S. State Department and Obama administration.

    The senior Egyptian diplomat told WND the Mubarak regime suspects the U.S. has been aiding protest planning by Mohamed ElBaradei, who is seen as one of the main opposition leaders in Cairo.

    ElBaradei, former International Atomic Energy Agency chief, has reinvented himself as a campaigner for “reform” in Egypt. He is a candidate for this year’s scheduled presidential elections.

    ElBaradei arrived in Cairo just after last week’s protests began and is reportedly being confined to his home by Egyptian security forces.

    He is seen as an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    This past weekend, the London Telegraph reported the U.S. embassy in Cairo in 2008 helped a young dissident attend a U.S.-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

    The Telegraph would not identify the dissident, but said he was involved in helping to stir the current protests. The report claimed the dissident told the U.S. embassy in Cairo that an alliance of opposition groups had a plan to topple Mubarak’sgovernment.

    The disclosures, contained in U.S. diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, show American officials pressed the Egyptian government to release other dissidents who had been detained by the police.

    The White House has been almost openly championing the unrest in Egypt.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for an “orderly transition” to democracy in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood is the main opposition group.

    Obama reportedly voiced support for an “orderly transition” in Egypt that is responsive to the aspirations of Egyptians in phone calls with foreign leaders, the White House said.

    Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough, speaking in a White House webcast, also urged the government and protesters in Egypt to refrain from violence.

    Egyptian officials speaking to WND, however, warned the Muslim Brotherhood has the most to gain from any political reform.

    Read more: U.S. ‘held secret meeting with Muslim Brotherhood’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=258405#ixzz1Ck4SmeCU

  371. The question here is ‘is Richardson a spokesperson for the WH’. Before I would have said no but wasn’t he just recently sent overseas to represent the administration. If he is just trying to hog tv time for his own purposes, then we can ignore him, but if he is putting out ideas for the WH, that gives us a clue what they are trying to promote.
    —————————-
    Somebody need to ask him that question point blank: on whose authority do you speak. Then watch him waffle.

  372. February 1st, 2011

    The Jewish Center of the Hamptons
    From Rabbi Zimmerman

    Dear Friends,

    I received this update on the Cairo Jewish community this morning and wanted to share it with you.

    We all join in prayers for justice and peace in Egypt.

    –Rabbi Sheldon Zimmerman

    Viewing the violence of recent events in Egypt, you have rightly wondered what is becoming of the local Jewish communities there.

    In communications from the President of the Cairo Community, we have learned that the President is safe and sound. She indicated that security forces have replaced the police guarding the synagogues. These remain completely closed and locked and nothing bad has befallen them.

    Earlier, we learned from the President of the Alexandria Community that the shops along the street of the Synagogue (Nebi Daniel Street) have been looted, as have many other shops, especially jewelry shops in town together with the main Alexandria Carrefour store.

    All the main police stations in downtown Alexandria have been torched–some burned to the ground. Thugs are roaming the streets, which are now void of any police force.

    The police and their informers, usually mounting a punctilious guard 24/7 in front of the synagogue, have totally disappeared.

    The Synagogue employees (gardeners, handymen, cleaning personnel, accountant and secretary) have not shown up for work.

    In a totally insecure environment, only M. Gaon and M. Abd El Nabi, the warden, are standing their ground, alone in a massive building, showing a daytime presence (at least on the synagogue grounds) to discourage would-be intruders.

    We should all recognize the courage it takes to be there, caring at this time.

    For their part, the Nebi Daniel Association wishes to publicly acknowledge the courage and dedication of M. Abd El Nabi and M. Gaon.

    Hopefully their action will keep our heritage out of harm’s way until reason prevails.

  373. The envoy sent to Egypt to talk to Mubarak is named Wisner who was ambassador from 1986 – 91. I don’t recognize the name but he’s maintained contacts there.

  374. Have I mentioned how much I love this peaceful protest? 😉

    These people must be so proud to be sitting together, protecting each other and their desire for a better life.

    I pray it stays peaceful.

  375. We do big things? That tee shirt should show Egypt in flames to illustrate the point. Another tee shirt could depict the health care bill with a black stamp through it which reads UNCONSTITUTIONAL. But we do big things.

  376. moononpluto
    February 1st, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    With a bit of luck Mubarak will come on and ask Obama not to seek re-election.

    ——-
    Fingers crossed on that one. 😆

  377. moononpluto
    February 1st, 2011 at 3:51 pm
    With a bit of luck Mubarak will come on and ask Obama not to seek re-election.
    ***************
    Love it.

  378. Why does Fox keep saying its a quarter of a million people came to protest, when I read on the net its several million people???

    Shadowfax,
    Mubarak should say “Barry I won’t if you won’t….and I’ll leave today if you leave today”!

    Well we can all hope….I haven’t heard much about Hillary as on Sunday it was all Hillary all the time….all were hiding behind her skirt. Now I guess they’ve pulled Richardson out to hide behind all that lard on his butt.

  379. an “orderly transition” to democracy in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood is the main opposition group.

    ————-

    Mrs. Smith, I’d take issue with that characterization of the article. They are the most organized group, with the most defined agenda. They are not “main” in the sense of being the majority of the protesters. Their danger is in their organization and intent. Here’s hoping that the people of Egypt will not fall for that trap as the people of Iran did.

  380. Mubarak : “I never wanted power or prestige” fuck me Evita is alive and well but you held onto it for 30 years.

  381. Mubarak, ” I will not stand for next election” however, i will cancel all elections and remain President for life.

    Well he could.

  382. Mubarak saying he intends to work to pass the flag under the constitution for the rest of his term. Lot of talk about the judiciary and the constitution, but bottom line, he intends to serve out his term while supervising the new govt. Also intends to investigate the recent incidents of looting and terrorizing of the citizens. Uh oh.

  383. This Mubarak seems very sincere fellow! I don’t know why people wouldn’t believe him, it’s not like he fixed every election he ran in.

  384. Well, so much for orderly transition. If Mubarek had been humble, the people might have been okay with letting him stay as nominal head of govt til September while other options were set up.

    After that display of arrogant jackassery, he needs to get on a plane today before they string him up.

  385. Well the Egyptians didn’t drink Mubarek’s kool-aid.

    Maybe Barry needed to send Favreau over to write his speech?

    Nah, they wouldn’t fall for that load of cr@p either.

  386. “The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to spread Islam around the world, in large part using nonviolent means.”

    ———————

    Bull! Tell that to Israel.

  387. “For their part, the Nebi Daniel Association wishes to publicly acknowledge the courage and dedication of M. Abd El Nabi and M. Gaon.

    Hopefully their action will keep our heritage out of harm’s way until reason prevails.”

    ————–

    Thanks for the update, Carol. I have been wondering about this.

  388. As much as the protesters wanted Mubarek to leave immediately, they don’t have a real leader to put in his place, so are they willing to face total ciaos, watching the jackals rush into the government?

    Did anyone ever get a better leader under these conditions?

  389. Jan,

    I doubt Klein believes this. I think he was just representing the MB’s self-promotion.

    It’s clear by the rest of the article Klein is worried, as am I and any other sane westerner.

    I am so disgusted by the continued diminishing of women’s rights in favor of the good old boy network, from Dims to repubs, from muslims to BLT adherents. It is sickening. I sometimes wonder how the free women of this country can in any way support any Muslim group. It’s like a death-wish.

  390. basil,

    “I am so disgusted by the continued diminishing of women’s rights in favor of the good old boy network, from Dims to repubs, from muslims to BLT adherents.”
    ——————-

    You and me both.

  391. 😳

    Meant to add check the rest of that paragraph;

    “Hamas and al-Qaida are violent Brotherhood offshoots.”

    They also happen to be the most influential MB offshoots.

    Because of the snow all my meetings were canceled so I started educating myself more about the origins of the Israeli state and what a friggin’ mess the whole sorry affair has been. I think that after WW11 the Jewish people finally realized they had to protect themselves by any means necessary. I don’t blame them in the least. Look at what happened when they turned the other cheek. They came d@mn close to total extermination.

  392. I hate the name ‘birther’….

    The Birther Plan To Block Obama’s Reelection

    The birthers have a plan to end Barack Obama’s presidency—and in Arizona, they’re making progress.

    Last week, Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges, a Republican, introduced a bill that would bar presidential candidates who do not prove they were born in the United States from appearing on the ballot in the Grand Canyon state.

    [snip]

    It’s not that Obama necessarily requires Arizona’s 10 electoral votes to win reelection in 2012. In 2008, he lost there to John McCain, Arizona’s senior senator (though in 2012, Obama could make a play for the state). More important, Burges’ bill—which would establish a strict standard for proving natural-born citizenship (which the birthers presume Obama could not meet)—is a model for other states, and similar efforts are under way in Pennsylvania, Missouri, Montana, Georgia, and Texas. (Obama won Pennsylvania in 2008 and lost Missouri by less than 4,000 votes.) Arizona may be where this birther ball gets rolling.

    Huffpuff and

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/arizona-birther-bill-deny-obama-reelection

  393. Just incredible that this day will come:
    January 31, 2011
    “PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD: THE BILL CLINTON PHENOMENON” – CHRIS MATTHEWS DISCUSSES PRESIDENT CLINTON’S POST-PRESIDENTIAL LIFE AND LEGACY
    AIRING PRESIDENTS’ DAY: MONDAY, FEBRUARY 21 AT 10 PM ET/PT ON MSNBCNEW YORK—January 31, 2011—There’s not a single political figure today with the global reach and influence of Bill Clinton—a former U.S. President turned humanitarian and diplomat extraordinaire. No one else in today’s political arena has the ability to command the attention of world leaders and organizations everywhere quite like he does. This Presidents’ Day, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews will take viewers behind the scenes of Clinton’s life in the one-hour documentary “President of the World: The Bill Clinton Phenomenon.” The special will air Monday, February 21, at 10 pm ET/PT.

    Since President Clinton left office in January 2001, he’s taken on a new and very successful role as an international humanitarian—his Clinton Global Initiative, Clinton Health Access Initiative, the William J. Clinton Foundation and countless other worthy efforts have made him a hero to peoples across the globe. Clinton’s innate talent for diplomacy gained him international recognition in 2009 when he aided in the release of two imprisoned American journalists from North Korea. In the last year alone, he’s provided invaluable political support to President Obama, hitting the campaign trail for countless Democratic candidates leading up to the November 2010 midterm elections.

    In “President of the World: The Bill Clinton Phenomenon,” “Hardball” host Chris Matthews managed to spend a whirlwind week with Bill Clinton—hopping from the Clinton Global Initiative in New York City to Ireland, where Matthews sat down for a one-on-one interview with the former president. In addition, the hour includes intimate interviews with many of Clinton’s close friends and colleagues, including Tony Blair, Terry McAuliffe, John Podesta, Mary Steenburgen and Kevin Spacey.

    “President of the World: The Bill Clinton Phenomenon” is an MSNBC original production and was produced for MSNBC by Peacock Productions. For Peacock Productions, Keith McKay is Executive Producer and Kate Hampson is Producer. Benjamin Ringe and Knute Walker are Co-Executive Producers of Peacock Productions. Sharon Scott is Executive-in-Charge of Peacock Productions. For MSNBC, Mike Rubin is Vice President, Long Form Programming. Scott Hooker is Senior Executive Producer, MSNBC. Timothy Smith is Senior Producer, MSNBC.
    http://www.nbcumv.com/mediavillage/networks/msnbc/pressreleases?pr=contents/press-releases/2011/01/31/presidentofthew1296501542202.xml

  394. Jan H
    You quoted someone as having written/said

    “The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to spread Islam around the world, in large part using nonviolent means.”

    How does that statement not frighten everyone non-islamic?
    Israel should move is the most inane argument I have ever heard. last night I was astonished that people were even giving credence to the statement.
    Kansas, really? The goal is to spread by non-violent means with the caveat largely attached
    ;never would Isreal be more safe anywhere than where she is now. And neither would America.

    I implore you to scroll by anyone’s posts which repeatedly frustrate you. Some people come to stir a pot and others to cause others in anger to write some little blurb which they can take out of context and re-post elsewhere. Not worth your time.
    I’ve learned a lot about Israel in the last year or so since i first asked on this blog for a little background. One of the first things I read after my request was from a Jewish individual who warned of the screaming about how many lives would be saved if Israel just packed up its bags and he cautioned to watch out for the comments on friendly sites. He or she had written that we online should be very wary of wolves in sheep’s clothing.
    It was an interesting article that I had followed from the comment section for “We Con the World”
    So sadly I can not relay the source, but I can say if he or she had read here over the last two days shim would have witnessed what he/she/it had anticipated.

  395. “never would Isreal be more safe anywhere than where she is now”

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    I’m sorry, but that statement is just … crazy. Maybe you mean something different than the words say. I hope so.

    I’m not saying that relocating Israel is really practical. But I’m tired of letting statements like the above pass.

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