How To Get A Billion Dollars From Lobbyists For An Election Campaign – The Real Purpose Of Last Night’s State Of The Union Flim-Flam

Trying to count the lies in an Obama speech is like trying to count feathers in a windy hen-house. You’re bound to miss more than a few feathers in the count.

Mickey Kaus buried the lede in his analysis of last night’s bamboozlepalooza but at least he grabbed the one must-be-counted feather. Kaus quoted Obama: “In the coming months, my administration will develop a proposal to merge, consolidate, and reorganize the federal government in a way that best serves the goal of a more competitive America. I will submit that proposal to Congress for a vote – and we will push to get it passed.” Kaus then exposed the purpose of last night’s sewage overflow of words:

“Here is a sponge that can soak up Washington’s excess legislative energy while the Administration in effect marks time as it waits for the employment rate to rise and the health care law to take effect. It seems like stall tactic—hard to believe the Obama White House really cares about reorganization. But it’s a peculiar kind of stall tactic, since it’s also what we Californians call a “juice bill,” highly effective at squeezing campaign donations from every corporation or interest group that might be threatened if its pet agency gets reorganized. And that’s a lot of interest groups. Maybe contributing to Obama’s reelection campaign—or not contributing to one of the Republicans’ new independent expenditure campaigns—will encourage the Obamans to look after you! In short, this seems like Kabuki legislation for a post-Citizens United world, in which Democrats need to deter and intimidate the businesses who otherwise might spend money opposing them. It doesn’t really matter if the reorganization bill will pass—and Obama’s last line (“we will push”) suggests it won’t. The threat is what will get the juice flowing, and employ half of K-Street. Then Obama is happy and the lobbyists are happy. Win-win. But maybe I’m too cynical.”

Not cynical at all. Kaus is re-writing what we wrote in May of 2009:

Why won’t the Dimocrats do what they have been saying they would do for decades? Because the fundraising must go on. The money must flow. The promises must be broken.

Dimocrats also understand that accomplishments must meet expectations and that trying sometimes means failure – which could cost them at the ballot box.

Dimocrats also understand that fulfilling a promise to a constituency means that constituency might become satisfied and walk away to other pursuits and other fundraisers.

Dimocrats also understand that fulfilling a promise to one constituency often means angering another constituency. Money might then flow to opponents.

Dimocrats also understand that they didn’t really mean all that stuff they said – that was only meant for the gullible.

It is all a big scam. Instead of improved health care, there is merely access to unaffordable and useless insurance from Big Insurance; instead of real cost cutting there was a deal with Big PhaRma – all intended to prevent money from flowing to the opposition. It was a scam designed to get money and cut the flow of money to the opposition.

Earmark reform? That was a big Obama promise. The reality was earmarks to get garbage like the “stimulus” which was itself a 2010 reelection slush fund for Obama Dimocrats. That ploy did not go so well. All the slush money did was get us deeper into debt and the country deeper into the politically Red.

And remember all that talk against lobbyists? Last night we heard the same old flim-flam song:

“We’ll put more Americans to work repairing crumbling roads and bridges. We’ll make sure this is fully paid for, attract private investment, and pick projects based [on] what’s best for the economy, not politicians. [snip]

All these investments — in innovation, education, and infrastructure — will make America a better place to do business and create jobs. But to help our companies compete, we also have to knock down barriers that stand in the way of their success.

For example, over the years, a parade of lobbyists has rigged the tax code to benefit particular companies and industries. Those with accountants or lawyers to work the system can end up paying no taxes at all. But all the rest are hit with one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. It makes no sense, and it has to change. (Applause.)

So tonight, I’m asking Democrats and Republicans to simplify the system. Get rid of the loopholes. Level the playing field. And use the savings to lower the corporate tax rate for the first time in 25 years — without adding to our deficit. It can be done. (Applause.)”

Translation: it’s all about what is best for politicians up for reelection and how to raise a billion dollars. “Yes, We Can Flim-Flam Again and Again.”

The “review of government regulations” is a ploy to gin up campaign contributions and bundling efforts. Nothing will be done, but money will be raised. It’s “How To Succeed In Business Politics Without Really Trying”. The more dead on arrival proposals proposed, the more lobbyists will contribute. It’s a slush fund by another name. “Deficit reduction” to Obama is an R.S.V.P. invitation for lobbyists to an Obama contribution party.

Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.

To its credit Politico noted the Obama lies about lobbyists in January of 2009:

“President Obama promised during his campaign that lobbyists “won’t find a job in my White House.”

So far, though, at least a dozen former lobbyists have found top jobs in his administration, according to an analysis done by Republican sources and corroborated by Politico.

Obama aides did not challenge the the list of lobbyists appointed to administration jobs, but they stressed that former lobbyists comprise a fraction of the more than 8,000 employees who will be hired by the new administration. And they pointed out that before Obama made his campaign-trail promise, he issued a more complete – and more nuanced – policy on former lobbyists.

Formalized in a recent presidential executive order, it forbids executive branch employees from working in an agency, or on a program, for which they have lobbied in the last two years.

Yet in the past few days, a number of exceptions have been granted, with the administration conceding at least two waivers and that a handful of other appointees will recuse themselves from dealing with matters on which they lobbied within the two-year window.”

Among the lobbyists Obama appointed: Eric Holder (Global Crossing), Tom Vilsack (NEA), William Lynn (Raytheon), William Corr (Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids), David Hayes (San Diego Gas & Electric), Mark Patterson (Goldman Sachs), Ron Klain (Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone), Mona Sutphen (Angliss International), Melody Barnes (American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights), Cecilia Munoz (National Council of La Raza), Patrick Gaspard (SEIU), Michael Strautmanis (American Association of Justice). Lobbyists are not necessarily “evil” and many work for worthwhile causes – but when Hillary Clinton said this Obama and his thugs jumped up and down and attacked.

Likewise, Hillary Clinton was attacked by Obama thugs and Big Media JournoListers for her (to our eyes exemplary) work with Wal-Mart. Now Michelle Obama chortles because she has worked a deal with Wal-Mart on a project she likes. Now Michelle Obama brags that so powerful is Wal-Mart that it will exert a monopoly style effect on pricing schemes of other retailers. The hypocrisy is staggering.

A few days ago Politico did a follow-up article on Obama and lobbyists. The article was called Obama administration’s revolving door:

“Candidate Barack Obama repeatedly pledged on the campaign trail that working in his administration would not be “about serving your former employer, your future employer or your bank account.”

But with his administration at its midpoint, a traditional time for personnel turnover, it’s clear that despite Obama’s avowals, a longtime truism of Washington life — that a prestigious-sounding administration post can be a lucrative career enhancer — remains unchanged.

In recent months, officials have quietly left the White House, the Federal Communications Commission, the Federal Highway Administration and the Departments of the Treasury, Commerce and Homeland Security for high-paying gigs on K Street and Wall Street, for top PR firms including the Glover Park Group and VOX Global and to work or lobby for powerful media and telecom companies including Facebook, Comcast, Bloomberg L.P., DirecTV, Sprint Nextel and T-Mobile.”

Peter Orszag, the Budget Director who got so much money to banks is now raking in that cash at Citigroup. The hypocrisy is staggering:

“On his first day in the White House, Obama announced that all his appointees would be required to sign an ethics pledge barring those who become lobbyists from “lobby[ing] my administration for as long as I am president” and — more broadly, for all former employees, not just lobbyists — “from any attempt to influence your former government colleagues for two years after you leave.”

The pledge, he boasted, “represents a clean break from business as usual” and will “help restore that faith in government” by “clos[ing] the revolving door that lets lobbyists come into government freely and lets them use their time in public service as a way to promote their own interests over the interests of the American people when they leave.” [snip]

The pledge doesn’t bar outgoing Obama aides from lobbying Congress or from helping employers or clients influence the administration by charting strategy or even supervising lobbyists. [snip]

Feinberg, whose husband is White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer, joined Bloomberg in June, charged with boosting the company’s Washington profile. She wouldn’t comment on her salary.

Colin Crowell, who in June stepped aside as a top aide to Obama FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, entertained offers with salaries as high as $1 million a year from leading telecommunications companies and lobbying firms seeking to tap the connections and expertise he developed at the FCC and, before that, in 21 years as a congressional staffer.

Though Crowell turned down those offers and, instead, started his own consulting and lobbying shop, he’s still likely to earn substantially more money than he did in his years in government, while leaning on the expertise he developed there.

Since December, he’s registered to lobby for T-Mobile, Cablevision, DirecTV, Earthlink, the Consumer Electronics Association and modem-maker Zoom Telephonics. [snip]

Early last year, for example, Damon Munchus left his post as one of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s top liaisons to Congress and in March joined the Cypress Group, a financial services lobbying and consulting firm, as an executive. [snip]

At Cypress, he registered to lobby Congress on behalf of firms affected by the financial regulatory overhaul on which he worked at Treasury. Lobbying disclosure forms show he’s been part of teams paid at least $470,000 to lobby the Treasury, the White House, Congress and the Securities and Exchange Commission by clients including Citigroup, PricewaterhouseCoopers, Advantage Capital Partners, offshore credit derivative company Primus Guaranty Ltd. and the International Swaps and Derivatives Association. [snip]

No former official’s new job has generated as much controversy as former Office of Management and Budget Director Orszag’s move to Citigroup, which The New York Times Dealbook reported could pay him as much as $3 million a year to “draw on his deep knowledge of public-sector financial issues and his experience overseeing the federal budget to counsel Citi’s clients on various policy actions” and “be something of a corporate rainmaker.” [snip]

When lobbyist Kevin Joseph in September hired Chani Wiggins, formerly Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano’s top liaison to Congress, he declared that Wiggins’s “experience as head of congressional affairs at one of the largest departments in the federal government has given her the breadth and depth that few in Washington ever achieve.”

Exhausted with the staggering hypocrisy? There’s more:

“Then there are others who left prominent jobs in the Obama administration for big-time consulting, public relations or law firms that advise clients on how to navigate Washington and its press corps, without necessarily directly lobbying the government on their behalf.

Corey Ealons and Christina Reynolds, longtime Democratic strategists who handled communications both on the Obama campaign and in the White House, left last year for executive positions with PR firms VOX Global and Glover Park Group (which also lobbies), respectively.

Cliff Rothenstein, a veteran government environmental staffer who took over as the Federal Highway Administration’s top congressional liaison in the early days of the Obama administration, stepped down in October to become a “government affairs adviser” focusing on environmental issues at the massive K & L Gates law and lobbying firm.

Mark Seifert, who last year was a senior adviser at the Department of Commerce, in November left to become a partner in the Washington office of the consulting firm Brunswick Group.[snip]

But Seifert, who was detailed to Commerce from the FCC, crafted the Obama administration’s plan for dispensing $4.7 billion in stimulus money for broadband projects across the country, and he advises Brunswick’s clients on telecomm issues, including broadband.[snip]

We’re Democrats. We don’t have as many places to go,” quipped Richardson, who stepped down late last year as director of public affairs at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy and accepted an executive post at R&R Partners, a lobbying and public relations firm.”

And let”s not forget MSNBC and parent company GE boss Jeffrey Immelt:

“Obama Unveils GE CEO as Top Economic Adviser

President Obama has publicly introduced General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt as his new top economic adviser. Immelt will head the newly formed President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, which takes the place of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board led by Paul Volcker. On Friday, Obama said Immelt would drive the administration’s stated goal of creating jobs.

President Obama: “Our job is to do everything we can to ensure that businesses can take root and folks can find good jobs and America is leading the global competition that will determine our success in the 21st century. And so now, to help fulfill this new mission, I’m assembling a new group of business leaders and outside advisers. And I am so proud and pleased that Jeff has agreed to chair this panel, my Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, because we think GE has something to teach businesses all across America.”

Immelt’s appointment has come under scrutiny on multiple fronts. He’ll retain his position at the helm of GE, creating a potential conflict of interest. As one of the nation’s largest corporations, GE has a variety of business and issues before the federal government, including media mergers, military sales, environmental cleanup, and a $16.1 billion bailout in 2008. And while Obama has touted Immelt’s mission to create jobs, the United Electrical Workers Union says GE has closed 29 plants in the United States in the past two years, laying off around 3,000 workers.”

Immelt will be working to benefit GE, himself, and Barack Obama – not the American people. But Obama does not care – he wants the money that Immelt will squeeze out for the fundraising effort to come. It’s all about the money.

It’s all about proposing ideas that will not happen but will squeeze the juice Obama loves to lap up. It’s all about the “juice” and the guys Obama wants “juice” from.

Forget the “Sputnik” fear-mongering pretense. The fear-mongering “Sputnik moment” ain’t gonna happen and a trip to the moon or Mars ain’t gonna happen either. Ain’t gonna happen and Obama knows it. Forget the shiny object called “high speed railroads”. Ain’t gonna happen.

Ain’t gonna happen because as the Associated Press writes, there’s no money and what little numbers we have don’t add up. Ain’t gonna happen because the deficit for this year alone is $1.48 trillion and the dollar is crumbling. Ain’t gonna happen because housing is possibly going to double dip down.

There’s no money for any of these audacious Dreams from a flim-flam man. But that is not the point.

Barack Obama does not care for any of these schemes (it showed last night as he snored through his presentation). What he wants is money – for himself – a billion dollars worth.

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  1. January 26th, 2011

    Sundance Report: ‘Missrepresentation’ Explores Treatment of Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton by Mainstream Media

    January 26, 2011

    The documentary “Missrepresentation,” directed by Lieutenant Governor of California Gavin Newsom’s wife Jennifer Siebel Newsom, explores how mainstream media undermines American women in influential positions, and the impact this makes on young girls.

    It also challenges what it says is the media’s often disparaging portrayal of women. In particular, “Missrepresentation” devotes quite a bit of time to how Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton were covered by mainstream media in the 2008 presidential elections.

    “The idea for the film came to me as I watched the 2008 presidential campaign and saw this sexism and double standard that was directed towards Hilary Clinton and Sarah Palin, and some of the wives whose husbands were running for office. It really upset and affected me,” Siebel Newsom told FOX411’s Pop Tarts at the premiere in Park City, Utah over the weekend. “I knew I wanted to have children someday (she now has a two-year-old daughter and is pregnant with a son) and I was worried about raising a daughter in a world that objectifies women to such an extreme.”

    Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom concurred, saying Palin was treated abominably.

    “We need a greater sensitivity to the way we portray women particularly in the news media. To watch the way Sarah Palin was treated — to discuss whether an elected official or former elected official has breast implants — is pretty demeaning, and it would never happen to a guy,” Newsom said. “We need to disassociate ourselves from this party ideology. It is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. This happens all around and puts so much pressure on young girls.”

    The documentary notes that while women make up 51 percent of our population, their presence in Congress is only 17 percent, ranking the United States 90th in the world when it comes to percentage of women in office.

    Former “Melrose Place” star Daphne Zuniga, interviewed in the film, said Hollywood is also to blame, as it promotes and fixates on unrealistic physical standards for women.

    “As someone who has been in Hollywood for 25 years I can only speak from personal experience, and I do think in some ways we are moving backwards with the treatment of women,” Zuniga told Pop Tarts. “This issue has nothing to do with politics. It is an issue that impacts everyone.”

    “Missrepresentation” criticizes Hollywood for promoting Angelina Jolie and Madonna as exemplars of “empowered women” when they too are most often hypersexualized. Prominent feminist and writer Gloria Steinem, interviewed in the film, told Pop Tarts that the treatment of women has become so ingrained in society that we barely even recognize it.

    “It’s so common that it is hard to notice,” she said. “One thing we can always remember is to lead by example. Every time you or I go past a mirror and say ‘I’m too fat’ remember a girl is watching.”

    “Missrepresentation” interviews an array of high-profile women including actresses Geena Davis, Rosario Dawson and Jane Fonda, comedian Margaret Cho, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and CBS news anchor Katie Couric.

    And while Couric is against women in television being required to look overly sexy, she feels guilty that she may have contributed to the “showing of the legs” shot so prevalent in newscasts today.

    “It is something I do worry about, that I started the thing with the legs. I look back at some of my ‘Today’ interviews and my skirt was way too short,” Couric said in the film.

    So what is the film’s solution to the media’s problematic portrayal of women?

    “It is extremely important that we champion good media and in some cases boycott bad media. Women hold more than 86 percent of America’s purchasing power, and we have to use our power as consumers. We have to write our corporate media leaders to encourage socially responsible business practices,” Siebel Newsom said. “We need to connect the dots for our political leaders so they might advocate for better policies for women and improved media. We have to build community among individual women and girls. It comes down to the fact that we have to be the change we wish to see in the world.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/26/sundance-report-missrepresentation-explores-treatment-sarah-palin-hillary/?test=faces

  2. Excellent analysis. Spot on. I wonder if anyone will listen. . . . His rising approval rate would seem to indicate otherwise. The challenge here is to prove to the majority of the electorate who assumes that this is how government always works that this is not how government has worked in the past–or at least not to this degree. And to also prove that what it will do to the middle class. As with everything else, there are winners and losers in this game. Obama thugs, global business interests, and big unions are among the big winners. So are bureaucrats feeding at the public trough. Property values in Washington are rising as well. The stock market is up. The only losers are the American People. Their fate is no different that the fate of Obama’s constituents in Chicago who froze in their tenements that cold winter, or his constituents in the state of Illinois who did not like nuclear material in their drinking water. Historically, there was some linkage between the big business interests who installed Obama whereas today they have been de coupled. There are more of us than there are of them. That is why they must control what we think through their wholly owned subsidiaries in big media. Jack Welch’s book Winning talks about how when GE took over NBC the news room did not believe they could manage a news organization, a fight ensued, GE won and installed its own people. Shortly thereafter, with GE people in charge, they produced the Dateline story about an exploding GM truck that their people rigged to explode to create a story. They were sued and they settled. That event marked the beginning of the corruption of big media by the global corporations who now control them, and there is no coming back. If the American People understood that one simple fact, and if Republicans stopped patronizing them then we could break the lock that these people have over the public mind and political process. So far however, this has proven to be a bridge too far.

  3. JanH
    January 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am
    Sundance Report: ‘Missrepresentation’ Explores Treatment of Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton by Mainstream Media

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    very interesting Jan…I will try to check that out…

    I find it interesting that they include Jane Fonda and Katie C…I was very disappointed in Jane Fonda when she attacked Hillary in very graphic, sexist terms…and Couric did her best to sand bag SP

    trip down memory lane…againsthillary.com/?s=feministing

    all you have do is google and one can see how many “liberal” women attacked Hillary…she wasn’t good enough for them…forget SP, she isn’t considered even a female by the feminist left

  4. Correction: Historically, there was linkage between big business interests that installed Obama and the American People, but oursourcing has decoupled them.

  5. I was very disappointed in Jane Fonda when she attacked Hillary in very graphic, sexist terms
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    History has shown that Hanoi Jane is capable of far worse.

  6. can see how many “liberal” women attacked Hillary
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    They are not liberal. Not liberal at all. They are illiberal. They are what Kipling wrote about.

  7. These illiberal women are the epitome of intolerance. Nina Totenberg and her fellow travelers at NPR are typical of the breed. Political correctness run riot. The Juan Williams incident is one of a hundred examples of what you see when you give people of their ilk power. It is almost always a mistake.

  8. Admin…you have cut right to the core…right to the essence of the whole deal…great post…

    you say:

    (Immelt will be working to benefit GE, himself, and Barack Obama – NOT the American people.)

    But OBAMA does not care – he wants the money that Immelt (and the rest of them that you mention) will squeeze out for the fundraising effort to come. It’s all about the money.

    and you ask…

    Exhausted with the staggering hypocrisy?

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    they are putting the American people, during these most desperate of times, in a BOX…and O has the corporate media to keep the lies going…nothing is working for the average person…today reports housing prices decline even more…any “jobs” that are created and even exist are service jobs that pay a very low rate and those are even few and far between…the people are being marginalized and enslaved, expected to accept less and lied to at the same time…while billions of dollars change hands to keep a few in charge and add salt to the wound while their “jobs programs” send the jobs out of the USA…
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    what can we do? beyond david and goliath…beyond exhaustion…big money, media brainwashing and the race card…

  9. wbboei
    January 26th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
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    agree…they are further examples of the hypocrisy and irony…

  10. Born in 1840, made him a member of that generation which came of age when the theories of Darwin first hit transome and rocked the established order. That plus witnessing the carnage of the civil war, was most likely what made Justice Holmes a social Darwinist, which all which that concept implies. What we see in is writings on free speech, other than the you can’t shout fire in a crowded theater, is the notion that the test of the truth of an idea is its ability to gain acceptance in what he called the marketplace of ideas. Most people assume that there is a marketplace of ideas today, and that big media fairly represents what they are. Nothing could be further from the truth. Big media is a monopoly, and that is why the self correcting mechanism we see in a free marketplace do not apply. Big media is a monopoly and a propaganda mill. When you understand that you begin to see why their concept of the truth must be rejected. Or you can believe it if you like, to your own peril.

  11. Great Admin: Now that we know that both parties are the “pitts” and greedy and corrupt and untrusting etc……exactly what are we supposed to do??

  12. Obama’s ‘Winning the Future’ owned by Republican Gingrich & domain holder first
    January 25th, 2011 5:53 pm ET

    Breaking news: It is just now being noted and tweeted that Obama has used the phrase, “Winning the future” heavily over the weekend, speaking in his weekly address and on video about “winning the future”. Unfortunately, Obama’s choice is causing some chuckles in Republican circles.
    Though Obama has also made “Winning the Future” the theme of tonight’s State of the Union Address, bets are the Obama reelection campaign 2012 will be searching for something original without strong connections to being previously “owned” by Republicans – Newt Gingrich and a conservative activist from Oregon. Surely that will be the campaign manager’s first task following the State of the Union speech – for three good reasons.

    Firstly, Newt Gingrich’s book, titled, “Winning the Future: A 21st Contract with America” was released in 2005. That book touted Gingrich’s famous “Contract with America” steps to “win the future” and is also the slogan of Newt’s site, American Solutions: See transcript below:

    We launched American Solutions for Winning the Future, a unique tri-partisan organization designed to rise above traditional gridlocked partisanship, to provide real, significant solutions to the most important issues facing our country.

    Secondly, Glenn Pelikan of Portland, Ore., registered, and owns the relevant domain names, WintheFuture.com (and all associated extensions, including .org and .net) which could also cause mega consternation if folks flocked to “Win The Future”website looking for an Obama style message and found the extreme opposite.

    Continue reading on Examiner.com: Obama’s ‘Winning the Future’ owned by Republican Gingrich & domain holder first – National Political Transcripts | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/political-transcripts-in-national/obama-s-winning-the-future-owned-by-republican-gingrich-domain-holder-first#ixzz1CAVnbE9q

  13. Admin, this is one of the most insightful pieces on Washington kabuki I’ve ever read. Bravo.

    Dogwhistle threats of “reform” = “cough up the money or be singled out.” Indeed.

  14. Dogwhistle threats of “reform” = “cough up the money or be singled out.” Indeed.

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    Smart. “That’s a nasty little scam you’ve got here. It’d be good if someone reformed it.”

  15. from another blog………….

    Did Anyone Else Notice Obama Snub Hillary Last Night?

    Maybe I haven’t tuned into the right television channels or radio stations, but I haven’t heard “the snub” discussed.

    I clearly saw Obama snub Hillary last night. Right after his speech, Obama was shaking hands with various pols who were standing close to Hillary. She was making serious eye contact with him and poised for her photo-op congratulating him.

    Just as it was about to be Hillary’s turn, Obama abruptly turned his back on her and walked away to shake more hands. I thought it spoke volumes of his hatred of her. No doubt the feeling is mutual.

    I couldn’t believe how blatant he was. Hilliary looked like she had her hand ready for his grasp and he turned to his right and shook hands with a couple of other guests. I thought he might go back towards her but he didn’t. Something must be going on, maybe a 2012 primary?

    ………………….

    No sweety we all saw it.

  16. It’s about time a Republican spoke Truth to Power. None of them were bashful speaking about Bill Clinton’s personal life and now that our lives are on the line— where the Hell are they?

    Well here’s one, Senator.Jim DeMint who has disappointed in the past but could be on the trail to redemption in our eyes. Let’s watch and see how many will follow. DeMint must have been left behind because he isn’t completely “owned” by the cronyism so trendy with some WH operatives.
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    Sen. Jim DeMint Reacts To State Of The Union

    Sen. DeMint Responds To President Obama’s Plans

    01 26 11

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint was in attendance during President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address Tuesday night.

    Sen. DeMint spoke to reporters after the speech and said, “It’s hard to take the president seriously.”

    The Senator made the comment while discussing how he feels that the president hasn’t delivered on any of his promises.

    When asked about President Obama’s statements about government investments, DeMint said, “Now the president is promising more spending, which he calls investments, when the time is to cut spending in Washington.. The president needs to tell the American people the truth.. That its time for the federal government to do less.”

    Sen. DeMint was the only senator from South Carolina in attendance, Sen. Lindsay Graham missed the State of the Union address because he was returning to Washington, D.C., following a trip to Afghanistan.

    http://www.wyff4.com/news/26619983/detail.html

  17. Western military fleets are heading to Lebanon & Israel’s army is on full alert


    By Elias Bejjani Monday, January 24, 2011

    

Hezbollah, the armed Iranian-Syrian terrorist proxy, is resorting to all sorts of force, terrorism, intimidation, threats, bribery, division, sectarianism, and instigation to install a new puppet government in Lebanon after toppling on January 13/2010 the Hariri national unity one in response to direct orders from its two Axis of Evil supporters, Syria and Iran. 



    In a report that was published today in the Kuwaiti daily Alseyiasi, veteran analyst and journalist Hamid Gheriafi wrote that many Western and Arabic countries have been lately issuing urgent travel warnings cautioning their citizens who are residing in Lebanon to take the highest required measures to avoid being targeted by Syria’s and Hezbollah’s armed groups and advising them not to travel deep into Lebanon’s southern and Bekaa Valley regions or to go to Beirut areas where there are Sunni Shiite tensions.



    The report stated that the whole democratic and Free World and the majority of the Arab countries are extremely concerned that Tehran’s and Damascus’s allies could take full control of the Lebanese state and all of its institutions, including both the army and internal security forces. USA, European countries, England, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and many other countries have been conducting around the clock consultations on the highest level to abort this vicious Syrian- Iranian scheme. The Syrian-Iran full control of Lebanon will impose a dire threat to all the Arab countries, Israel, and Europe.



    Mr. Gheriafi learned from reliable European Intelligence sources in Brussels that at least two well equipped Western military fleets were urgently ordered to move from the Arabian Gulf to positions close to both Syria and Lebanon in the Mediterranean Sea with strict instructions to fully monitor and watch the unfolding events in Lebanon, especially in case Hezbollah, backed by Syria and Iran, succeeds in taking over the new Lebanese government.



    The intelligence sources did not unveil the identity of the Western fleets, but confirmed that they comprise two nuclear aircraft carriers with 210 jet fighter planes on board, and more than 30 ships carrying about 5,800 marines armed with the latest technologies.



    The same sources said that the Israeli air and navy forces have been on a high alert status since last Friday after Lebanon’s Druze Leader, MP Walid Jumblat, decided to join Hezbollah and Syria with his parliamentary block, giving them the upper hand and a parliamentary majority that enables them to form a new pro-Syrian and -Iranian government, killing all chances for caretaker PM Saad Hariri to return as a PM.

    A new Hezbollah-controlled government will cut all Lebanon’s legal and financial relations with the Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL) and force the country to fully join the Axis of Evil terrorist front comprised of Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The STL is expected to indict members from Hezbollah, Iran and Syria for the assassination of late Lebanese PM Raffic Hariri and dozens of high ranking Lebanese politicians, clergy, journalists and intellectuals.



    Meanwhile, Israel’s PM Netanyahu, his deputy and other high ranking officials expressed their very serious concerns in regard to the looming possibility that Lebanon will have a pro-Syrian and -Iranian government fully controlled by the terrorist Hezbollah and its allies.

The USA administration and both Houses are looking seriously into the dreadful hazards that could affect both the peace process and stability in the Middle East, in case Hezbollah succeeds in forming and fully controlling Lebanon’s new government.

    The Obama administration will most probably halt all kinds of aid to Lebanon and even impose harsh sanctions. 

In this same context, all the 18 countries with troops participating in the UNIFIL forces deployed in South Lebanon on the Lebanese-Israeli border are extremely concerned about their safety. These countries are definitely going to reevaluate their participation in UNIFIL, as well their aid to Lebanon once Hezbollah’s government is in office. 



    In conclusion: The Free World and the Arabic countries have an obligation to help the Lebanese people by all available means, including military forces in a bid to stop Iran and Syria, through its armed terrorist proxy, Hezbollah, from taking over Lebanon and turning it into an arena for evil wars against all the democracies in the world.

    The confrontation with the Axis of Evil is inevitable, and now it is the right time to act before it is too late and before a new Nazi dragon starts goose stepping in to devour all the Arab countries and Europe.


    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/32459

  18. Shorter SOTU:

    I think the plan is to put salmon on GE-built high speed trains to the future to win the moon race and bring back the jobs they keep shipping overseas. The salmon are all named “Sputnik”, and can be recognized by the green shingles on their dorsal spines. But it will only work if everyone becomes a teacher, which is to be accomplished by giving them internetz so they can track their stock portfolios, which are BOOMING, btw, so we WIN teh Futures, which is a Big Thing!!, so there.

  19. Mrs. Smith,

    Thank you for the update on the Middle East. At this point I am praying for all the innocents to keep well and safe.

  20. Yep, turndown.

    “That’s a nice little tax loophole you got there. Be a shame if somethin’ happened to it…”

    He’s shaking them down.

  21. Meanwhile, Obama has a personal problem that will not go away. He is far different than most other decent folk. Like them, he does not exist on paper. At best he’s only the proponent of a ghost-written book. In other words, hype notwithstanding, President Barack Obama doesn’t exist.

    Transparency now shows that the man in the White House, who doesn’t exist on paper, is only opportunist Barry Soetoro in the flesh. And Barry is fast running out of props.
    _______________________

    The “We do big things” braggadocio of Barry Soetoro

    In his Internet message sent into Cyberspace after his State of the Union address last night, President Barack Obama bragged that he “addressed the American people on the future we face together.”

    Millions tuned out on what some called “Prom Night in DC” to do more meaningful things: check on the job front, check on the larder, spend time with family.

    The Internet speech was entitled “We do big things”.

    But the number of people who know that Obama ignores, and has even chosen to insult the big things done by Americans, is increasing.

    …”Because, time after time, when our resolve has been tested, we, as a nation, have always prevailed.

    “Overcoming the challenges we face today requires a new vision for tomorrow. We will move forward together, or not at all—for the challenges we face are bigger than party, and bigger than politics.

    “Yet the story of America is this.: We do big things.”

    The truth is that Obama was not there when any of those big things were being accomplished. In point of fact, when America was accomplishing big things that the rest of the world could share in, Obama was out on the streets fighting against them as a strident and overpaid community organizer.

    Even as a state senator, a job that only coincidence made his, he missed voting on big issues declaring himself “present” a total of 129 times. And as a U.S. senator, he missed a whopping 24 percent of the votes while running for president.

    The biggest thing Obama is attempting on America is its unsolicited fundamental transformation. The challenges he described in his speech as bigger than party and politics are being replaced by even bigger party politics. It’s called the soul killing big politics of failed Marxism.

    “Moving forward, America’s economic growth at home is inextricably connected to our competitiveness in the global community. The more products American companies can export, the more jobs we can create at home,” Obama wrote in his Internet message.

    “This vision for the future starts with innovation, tapping into the creativity and imagination of our people to create the jobs and industries of the future. Instead of subsidizing yesterday’s energy, let’s invest in tomorrow’s. It’s why I challenged Congress to join me in setting a new goal: By 2035, 80 percent of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources.”

    But Obama has destroyed American competitiveness by nationalizing its biggest industries, including the automobile industry, now a runaway success in Communist China. Obama’s moves in the area of clean energy sources has so far only banned Mr. Edison’s incandescent light bulb.

    Every day Obama is trying to run Americans out of faith. Playing to We the People from a State of the Union where seating was made to look like there were less of those who replaced Democrats on Nov. 2 in the audience was only a failed ruse.

    Empty words don’t pull nations out of recessions and self serving rhetoric doesn’t put food on the plates of hungry children.

    The State of the Union is over, and you can only milk a human tragedy for so long. Reality’s got the jump on the calendar with the ObamaCare repeal ready to take stage front and center.

  22. What a mound of great info. Admin, and now we also can see how he raised so much money for his 2008 campaign…

    The old Chicago way, threaten for money.

    Jeeze, it’s difficult to be a political junkie these days. More like reading an new book of the Godfather.

  23. JanH
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    Mrs. Smith,

    Thank you for the update on the Middle East. At this point I am praying for all the innocents to keep well and safe.
    _________________

    JanH, I think the insurgency of Hezbollah is going to backfire on them if they think they are strong enough to move into power. The West is getting sick and tired of these good for nothing terrorists who would take a legitimate government and run rough shod over the people destroying a civilized society turning their way of life into rubble. The best thing that could happen, is we obliterate them once and for all.
    ___________________

    “A new Hezbollah-controlled government will cut all Lebanon’s legal and financial relations with the Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL) and force the country to fully join the Axis of Evil terrorist front comprised of Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The STL is expected to indict members from Hezbollah, Iran and Syria for the assassination of late Lebanese PM Raffic Hariri and dozens of high ranking Lebanese politicians, clergy, journalists and intellectuals.”



  24. By 2035, 80 percent of America’s electricity will come from clean energy sources.”

    ================

    That’s one I hope they hold Obama’s feet to the fire on, instead of throwing clean energy out with the bathwater. Hey, fire + bathwater = steam power. PLenty of hot air already.

  25. JanH

    Sorry if my post is behind in the thread…

    Although I would like to see that movie you posted, I am shocked that this dimwit is commenting when she did her major edit to Sarah’s interview, to make her seem stupid.

    — CBS news anchor Katie Couric.

    And while Couric is against women in television being required to look overly sexy, she feels guilty that she may have contributed to the “showing of the legs” shot so prevalent in newscasts today.

    “It is something I do worry about, that I started the thing with the legs. I look back at some of my ‘Today’ interviews and my skirt was way too short,” Couric said in the film.

    —– I may not ever vote for Sarah, but I do defend her and hate what Couric did to her.

    Katie can take a long walk off a short pier, I will never trust her in the future, no matter what she says.

  26. moononpluto

    from another blog………….

    Did Anyone Else Notice Obama Snub Hillary Last Night?

    ———
    Not what I saw on Greta, he went up and kissed her on the cheek and they both had a big smile and commented to each other.

  27. Obama’s Plan Would Cost Another $20 Billion

    Group says his proposals would lead to higher taxes

    Study: Proposals in State of Union Speech Would Boost Spending over $20 Billion, but Lack of Detail Obscures True Price Tag

    January 26, 2011

    (Alexandria, VA) – President Obama’s statement in yesterday evening’s State of the Union speech that “the rules have changed” will likely surprise many taxpayers hoping for more specifics on how much they’ll save – or pay – due to his fiscal policy proposals. According to a line-by-line analysis of his State of the Union speech by the non-partisan National Taxpayers Union Foundation (NTUF), all the quantifiable items in President Obama’s speech taken together would increase federal spending by more than $20 billion, but the large number of items whose impact is unclear could dramatically affect this total.

    “President Obama’s speech last night hinted at tax reform, and spending restraint, but also opened the door to tax increases and major spending initiatives,” said NTUF Senior Policy Analyst Demian Brady. “Americans heard encouraging words about more efficient government, but little in the way of specifics about spending priorities. This leaves taxpayers wondering not only whether the federal budget deficit is headed upward or downward, but also by how much.”

    Among the findings of NTUF’s analysis:

    * President Obama outlined items whose enactment would increase federal expenditures by a net of $21.349 billion per year, compared to the $70.46 billion in higher annualized costs to taxpayers that he called for in his 2010 State of the Union speech.

    * Obama outlined 15 proposals with a fiscal impact last night, five of which would boost spending, three of which would cut them, and seven of which had costs or savings that could not be ascertained from NTUF’s accounting procedures. In 2010 NTUF concluded that about half of the spending-related items he discussed during that speech also had indeterminate fiscal consequences.

    * The single largest item Obama mentioned was increased “investment” in transportation infrastructure, which according to available sources could amount to $50 billion in additional outlays. Other large initiatives included $1.35 billion in possible higher spending for the “Race to the Top” educational program.

    * NTUF also identified several elements that could yield budgetary reductions for taxpayers. In 2010, Obama announced a three-year freeze on certain discretionary spending. He now proposes to extend that freeze for another two years, for net additional savings of $15 billion annually. Furthermore, he signaled support for medical tort reform, which could save $2.06 billion per year in Medicare and Medicaid spending.

    * However, the most important fiscal policy aspects in Obama’s speech are the number of blanks the President left behind for taxpayers. For example, his highly generalized call to “merge, consolidate, and reorganize the federal government” holds potential for large reductions in expenditures, but this is by no means guaranteed. Proponents for a Department of Homeland Security argued that consolidating programs under such an agency could help streamline bureaucracy, but there is little evidence of substantial savings to taxpayers from this venture.

    * Since 1999, when NTUF began tracking Presidential addresses, the lowest recorded total was President George W. Bush’s address in 2006, coming in at under $1 billion in new spending; the highest was President Clinton’s 1999 speech, which proposed $305 billion in new outlays. Bush’s first State of the Union speech, in 2002, racked up $106 billion in higher expenditures.

    “State of the Union speeches can’t possibly provide every detail on the future course of federal spending, but this year’s speech contained a high degree of ambiguity that could be masking tens – even hundreds – of billions in new liabilities, or, perhaps some additional savings,” Brady concluded. “This is why taxpayers may need to look beyond the words they heard last night and toward the numbers they’ll see in coming weeks, when the White House releases its budget blueprint.”

    Since 1991, NTUF has tracked the fiscal impact of proposed legislation through BillTally, an accounting database that reports the “net annual agenda cost” for each Member of Congress based on sponsorships and cosponsorships of pending legislation. For this analysis, NTUF matched Obama’s proposals with those in the BillTally system in White House documents and other third-party sources.

  28. where seating was made to look like there were less of those who replaced Democrats on Nov. 2 in the audience

    ====================

    Maybe the reason so many Republicans went along with this was that they don’t want to be blamed for what the next Congress does. Trying to camouflage themselves.

  29. JanH
    January 26th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    “It’s all about proposing ideas that will not happen.” Exactly.
    &&&&

    Hasn’t that always been the case with Zerobama?

  30. DON’T TAKE HIM TO OLIVE GARDEN

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110126/ap_on_re_us/us_kucinich_lawsuit

    Rep. Kucinich sues over olive pit in sandwich
    =============

    By ANDREW MIGA, Associated Press Andrew Miga, Associated Press – 23 mins ago

    WASHINGTON – Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio is suing a congressional cafeteria for dental damage he says he suffered after biting into an olive pit in a sandwich wrap he bought there.

    Kucinich’s attorney, Andrew Young, declined to comment Wednesday on the lawsuit seeking $150,000 in damages from companies involved with the Longworth House Office Building cafeteria. A spokesman in Kucinich’s congressional office also declined to comment.

    The civil suit filed earlier this month in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia said the wrap “contained dangerous substances, namely an olive pit,” that a consumer would not reasonably expect to find in the product served. The suit said that Kucinich suffered “serious and permanent” dental and oral injuries requiring multiple surgical and dental procedures.

    Kucinich’s lawsuit said the Ohio Democrat bought the sandwich on or about April 17, 2008. He is seeking damages for “past and future medical and dental expenses, compensation for pain, suffering and loss of enjoyment and other damages.”

    The liberal congressman made an unsuccessful bid for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

    Two of the companies named in the suit, Compass Group USA Inc. and Performance Food Group Co., declined comment through spokespersons.

  31. JanH

    ——————-
    It is a hard one to watch.

    —–> Indeed. I would rather for her sake, she got snubbed.

  32. pm317
    January 26th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    It looks like that huffpuff was from 2009.

    But if you saw him be nice to her, I like that. for her sake.
    ——-
    Sorry about that, mybad for doing a google on a photo.

    The video clip I saw on Greta was real though. 😉

  33. Shadowfax
    January 26th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
    ————–

    That’s OK. Don’t worry about. I like how she is having fun with the boys in those other pictures. Obviously they have a major crush on her.

  34. Hell, she made fun of Matthews once for having a crush on her.TWeaked his cheek or soemthing on othe air.

  35. I like how she slaps his arm dismissively as she walks away. She knows what they are, who they are. They are all bastards.

  36. Where is everyone? I think admin is on the board (he/she embedded my video). we are getting 4-6″ snow and lights are flickering. I hope we don’t lose power. I have too much to do before I go off on vacation.

  37. Hillar did not need a date. She wrote the book on how to negotiate with the opposition. She even negotiated with those guys who were impeaching her husband. She should hold classes on how to do that.

  38. JanH
    January 26th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    ******

    Ya, the initial premise for the movie is a good one, and one that needs to be shown everywhere, but she loses the authenticity of the whole reason for the movie by eliciting as support, the very same women whose own words and actions supported the “treatment” of women and do so to this day. Can’t see the forest through the trees.

  39. Shadowfax
    January 26th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
    He kissed a lot of women but Huffpuff has the smooch.
    It looked more friendly on Greta…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/obama-kisses-clinton-at-s_n_169683.html
    *********************************
    Hillary has a pink suit on in that video so it was not last night’s SOTU speech. I think Huffpuff is shilling for Obama. I didn’t see the moment last night but someone did mention on tv that Obama and Hillary did an air kiss. This video is not from last night.

  40. Mrs. Smith
    Every day Obama is trying to run Americans out of faith. Playing to We the People from a State of the Union where seating was made to look like there were less of those who replaced Democrats on Nov. 2 in the audience was only a failed ruse.
    *********************
    Who wrote this, was it you. Good take on the cynicism behind ‘date night’ and I haven’t heard anyone else see it from this angle.

  41. I agree that to use giggly Katie Couric and Jane Fonda who just had plastic surgery as two women who are calling out the sexism treatment of women weakens the argument. Talking to the younger women in the film make a bigger impact.

  42. ACE
    ***********

    Iraqi Immigrant On Trial In Phoenix For Murdering Daughter For Becoming Too Westernized

    Multiculturalism, I love it. Where would we be without awesome ideas like fathers murdering their children?

    I don’t understand that defense — if I’m understanding the implications here, they seem to be claiming that the father did intend to kill his daughter, but killing the other woman he ran over was just an accident:

    20-year-old Noor Almaleki was run over in the middle of a Peoria parking lot back in 2009. Prosecutors say her dad intentionally drove into his daughter, and another woman, and sped off. The defense said Monday Faleh Almaleki intended only to spit out the window at the other woman as he drove by, but miscalculated.
    Probably I’m overreading a poorly-written article, and they mean the man didn’t intend to run anyone over, just to spit at the other woman.

    Counting against this claim is a witness, who testified the man revved his engines before plowing over the women (horribly mangling them), and then stopped to look down at the carnage. Asked about how the man’s face looked when he looked out the window, the witness said, “Angry.” Probably, I guess, it was all an accident, but he was angry at the women for scratching his undercoating.

    P

  43. Admin: What a great post describing the corruption of D.C. and these jerks are getting richer by the second and watch them now enact the cat food commission’s desire to kill off the seniors with huge cuts to social security while these corrupt jerks get richer and richer…it just makes me sick!

    Mrs. Smith and all,
    I’ve now lost 45lbs since Nov.1st, but I have to confess that last night I had a dream that I was eating Cheetos…my favorite puffs!
    NEVER in my life have I had a dream about Cheetos and I’m actually thinking of changing my handle to the cheetos girl or some such name. LOL! Why couldn’t I just have a dream about Favio or some great looking guy, no, no, no, it the Cheetos dream for this old foggie!

  44. to use giggly Katie Couric and Jane Fonda who just had plastic surgery as two women who are calling out the sexism treatment of women weakens the argument.

    =====================

    I haven’t seen the film but I’d disagree with this. Disrespecting women who ‘giggle’ or had plastic surgery is PART of sexism.

  45. turndownobama
    I hardly know where to start, but let me just say that using them weakens the argument that strong women and women who do not worry about how they look should be role models for young women to emulate or be taken seriously.

  46. turndownobama
    I have no problem with Fonda’s politics. If she was so strong why did she have such a wide assortment of men who used her and treated her badly. She is a women who made her own decisions in life and I do not fault her for that. but I don’t think she’s a good example of not living to please a man. Your argument is like saying if I do not like Obama’s policies, I am racist. I do not disrespect Fonda. I’ve enjoyed her movies and watched her over all these years and I like her personally.

  47. Comment from Uppity woman’s site saying all those references to the past were aimed at seniors:

    Anthony, on January 26, 2011 at 3:53 PM said:
    Buttered, the “Sputnik” thing was a lame attempt to relate to older voters, who are not having any of this bullshit.

    This morning, there was an analysis of the speech, as well as confirmation from the speech writer that he’s aware he’s losing seniors, and a reference to something momentous that they could remember was necessary to win them back.

    Didn’t happen……..

    As far as the jerk-offs young, educated elite who voted him in, I think they believe that Sputnik is Mika Brzezinski’s father, who is as in the tank for “The Changeling” as she is.

  48. I watched the video of Obama kissing Hillary and yur right that was in 09′ his first state of union fiasco.
    What with all the women rubbing his back and wanting kisses from him….he is just so nauseatingly skinny that he just makes me sick….I’d be afraid he had something contagious…of coarse, I’m a germaphobic…LOL!

  49. there is a photo of obama kissing HRC last night that I think someone did link to above and I’ve seen it on other sites. So he did acknowledge her last night.

  50. flipping channels and had the bad luck of turning on American Idol when some White House intern was singing and confessed to “loving” obama.

    sick…sick…sick…

  51. there is a photo of obama kissing HRC last night that I think someone did link to above and I’ve seen it on other sites. So he did acknowledge her last night.
    —————
    Beware of the Mafia kiss.

  52. I have no problem with Fonda’s politics
    ———————————-
    Really. Would that include sitting on top of an anti-aircraft gun with a helmut and a shit eating grin on her face for a North Viet Namese propaganda piece, while a few blocks away American soldiers like Admiral Stockton, Captain Sam Johnson, and Commander John McCain were being tortured at the Hanoi Hilton? The constitution defines treason as levying war on the United States, or giving aid and comfort to her enemies in a time of war. Surely you do not mean that. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and many of the things she got away with would have sent anyone else to jail. Even at the ripe age of seventy, she remains a power seeking brat.

  53. wbbeoi
    But that was not why I was saying I didn’t think she was a good role model for the movie they were referencing above. For many years she was someone in search of an identity and she was married to Tom Hayden then, an activist and political protestor who put her out there because she was famous and rich. When they were divorced after he ran around on her for years, she became someone completely different. That was my point. I didn’t agree with her methods, but she had a right to protest if she wanted to.

  54. #
    JanH
    January 26th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    flipping channels and had the bad luck of turning on American Idol when some White House intern was singing and confessed to “loving” obama.

    sick…sick…sick…
    &&&&&&&

    I saw that show too.

    She is a Harvard grad to boot. Just goes to show that all that “lernin'” doesn’t necessarily prove that you’re smart. Okay, you can be smart and decide to get a job as an intern at the White House.

    But the love for Obama undermines the escape clause I just gave her. If she’s working inside the belly of the beast and can’t tell that he’s a fraud…

  55. Really. Would that include sitting on top of an anti-aircraft gun with a helmut and a shit eating grin on her face for a North Viet Namese propaganda piece, while a few blocks away American soldiers like Admiral Stockton, Captain Sam Johnson, and Commander John McCain were being tortured at the Hanoi Hilton? The constitution defines treason as levying war on the United States, or giving aid and comfort to her enemies in a time of war. Surely you do not mean that. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and many of the things she got away with would have sent anyone else to jail. Even at the ripe age of seventy, she remains a power seeking brat.
    *********
    Agree…a despicable self promoting publicity stunt. If she considered her behavior a “legitimate” war protest then she should encouraged the Constitutional consequences for her behavior. At least Ezra Pound had an excuse.

  56. I always liked Jane Fonda…in fact she lived a few streets over from me in Santa Monica during the days Gary Hart was running…she supported him then…

    HOWEVER…when I heard her say the following about Hillary during the primaries…that did it for me…Fonda was an obot…

    againsthillary.com/?s=feministing

    The Nation reprises some of the most vulgar vitriol poured on Hillary by women: “The right’s favorite ‘femi-nazi’ now has to contend with Jane Fonda, comparing her to ‘a ventriloquist for the patriarchy with a skirt and a vagina.’” Nora Ephron writes that “women can’t stand her position on the war . . . don’t trust her as far as you can spit.” Jen Moseley, on the blog Feministing, speculates that women aren’t joining up to work for her because being a woman doesn’t automatically get a woman’s support: “There’s no vagina litmus test, people.”

    *****************************

    and she can take Nora Ephron with her…all of those ‘feminist icons’ turned their backs on Hillary…and followed the huff post crusade to go after Hillary in vile and negative terms…who needs them…

    Hillary did not deserve any of that from any of them…

  57. Poor little Jane, misunderstood by the public, used by the hollywood moguls and never could figure he she really was/is. She is the product of ugly misogny herself. Well they say child molesters were molested, so poor old Jane was the girl they all used and abused in the 60’s. I still remember her in “Barbarella”, now if that wasn’t a misognistic flick, I don’t know what one is. The only thing she could of done worse is by being a porn star, which in essence she was…although she never removed her clothing…but its the thought that counts anyway.

  58. Well personallly, I think we need to look at the root cause of the misogny and until we come to grips with that we can forget about stopping it.

    Jane Fonda is a by-product of that, so was Marilyn Monroe, and until we don’t let men use us in those kinds of ways on the big screen…forget about it…we are still screwed!

  59. Jane Fonda a feminist icon, hardly! Meryl Strepp, Barbara Streisand, but not Jane, she was a toy for men. I guess no one remember her shows. The only real drama she ever made was “They shoot Horses Don’t They”. The woman could act, but never got to, she always played the bimbo!
    That’s where misogny starts….the bimbo’s!

  60. BigCatLover
    January 26th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
    wbbeoi
    But that was not why I was saying I didn’t think she was a good role model for the movie they were referencing above

    **************************************

    BigCatLover and wbboei…in regards to the movie trailer Jan posted earlier about sexism and “missrepresentation”…the trailer looks interesting however if this documentary is to be a really true representation of the sexism against women then I
    truly hope Jennifer Newsom uses examples of the sexism against all women and I hope Sarah Palin does not become the token republican woman…

    I hope Newsom will show the patterns each side uses against the other…

    …because if we are going to be really honest then all sides are guilty of this…I hope she goes beyond using Malkin as someone who attacked Hillary and chooses strong women from all sides who are not afraid to admit what goes on..not like ‘our’ side that purports to defend women and when the rubber met the road they turned out to be deceitful, agenda driven liars with no integrity…the only women they cared about were women that agreed with them…and everyone else had to be attacked personally, ridiculed and destroyed…

    made one wonder…whatever happened to ‘I don’t agree with you but I will defend your right to your opinion’…all idealism thrown out the window…

    this documentary will be more dramatic and have a stronger impact if we can see women on the left standing up for women on the right and women on the right standing up for women on the “left”…otherwise it is just more of the same…

  61. I read that article in THE NATION quoting Jane Fonda among others back when Hillary was a candidate. The catty, bitchy, jealous comments these women made about another woman…the most qualified, experienced, intelligent candidate…not just a WOMAN candidate jumped off the page.

    It was pitful.

  62. yes, Southern Born…it was pitiful…

    I remember actually seeing Fonda on tv being quoted saying that and other deragotory stuff about Hillary…I could not believe it…

  63. Jane Fonda a feminist icon, hardly! Meryl Strepp, Barbara Streisand, but not Jane, she was a toy for men. I guess no one remember her shows. The only real drama she ever made was “They shoot Horses Don’t They”. The woman could act, but never got to, she always played the bimbo!
    That’s where misogny starts….the bimbo’s!
    ————————-
    Her first husband Roger Vadim used her that way. Barbarella and similar works in that genre. Later she rebelled against that image and tried to do serious work. At times she succeeded and at other times she did not. In real life I think she closely approximates the character she played opposite Alan Alda. Her foray into politics was another phase and much of the time she was involved in that she was stoned. That was how she came to marry Tom Hayden and they had a modest home in Santa Monica. The she married that loud mouthed boor Ted Turner and from that blissful union came a divorce and a mad foray into Christianity. She may or may not be strong–I vote not–but even if I am wrong, she is never quite certain who she is. Her film Golden Pond was supposedly a reunion with her father, a settling of past differences (he was a supporter of the Viet Nam War, as were many of his generation), and a chance for redemption. It did not work. By then she had the exercise gig, which took off some of the baby fat–below the neck. In fairness, she was not the only celebrity who went to Hanoi–Ramsey Clark, who was attorney general under LBJ did so too, but his trip was not used in a propaganda film. Admiral Stockton who ran for vp on the ill fated Ross Perot ticket, and Congressman Sam Johnson who sponsored a bill I wrote on workplace violence, were bona fide heroes. McCain I am less certain about.

  64. The Alan Alda film was California Suite, her character was Hannah, and she expressed an earnest desire to be a queen, and when I heard that line I thought to myself how much life can imitate art.

  65. You know I forgot about “On Golden Pond”. She was a terribly tortured woman…that was the norm in those days…hopefully we can see what is really the problem and it sure isn’t “poor old Jane”. I don’t agree with what she did to Hillary, but Jane is as screwed up as Marilyn Monroe was…how can you blame anything on anyone that screwed in the head???

    The 60’s was a terrible time and it rather looks like the 60’s again are appearing, don’t you think?

    Every night we saw Vietnam battlefield pics…the media made huge money off the death of some of my friends on hamburger hill (so one called it after he lay there for several days shot in the chest).

    We need to put the blame where it belongs…on media/film or news and the love of money over anything else….that’s the true culprit…not Jane Fonda…she’s a victim!

  66. how can you blame anything on anyone that screwed in the head???
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    Nope. I don’t buy it. Unless . . . unless you intend to enter a plea of insanity on her behalf, in which case I will take it under advisement. After all, it does run in the family. Her natural mother was the heir to the great estate at Muttontown on Long Island. She committed suicide when Jane was very young.

  67. Apart from Hanoi Jane, there is another person at work in this affair. He name is Katrina vanden Heuvel and she is editor and part owner of The Nation. You see her now and then on MSNBC. She is an avowed Hillary hater. Katrina comes from a line of inherited wealth. Her maternal grandfather was Jule Stein, composer, musician, physician and founder of MCA–which represented many of the big name stars during the 1940s and 1950’s. That wealth was used to send Kartina to Oxford and Princeton. She is another spoiled and pampered pet, and she knows how to play Fonda for a loop. Her real beef against Hillary? Hillary’s middle class background. Katrina is an elitist, and not half as bright as she thinks she is. Just an asshole.

  68. media/film or news and the love of money over anything else….that’s the true culprit…not Jane Fonda…she’s a victim!
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    Confloyd do you know who Sam Johnson is. He represents the norther district of Dallas. He is a conservative. He was shot down over Viet Nam, captured, tortured and thrown in the Hanoi Hilton for 7 years. If you meet hin today he is old, frail and can hardly walk. ANYONE who would aid and abet the people who did that to American servicemen in clear violation of the Geneva Convention is not a victim. I used to spend alot of time in New York City and stayed at a moderately priced French hotel called The Novotel at 52nd and Broadway. One night Hanoi Jane showed up–and they gave her an entire floor, in recognition of who she was and her past relationship with Roger Vadim. In my book that is not a victim. But if you still maintain she is a victim then perhaps we can all stipulate that we are all victims of inexorable fate, yet some of us are billionaires and some are not and that is where we might draw the line. There is a line from the Rita Hayworth biography which is a translation from a spanish proverb: take what you will from life–and pay for it.

  69. BCL…I agree. I saw Jane Fonda on a talk show recently and I didn’t know if it was her, Mary Tyler Moore, Marlo Thomas or Joan Rivers. They all look the same. Thank god for Sally Fields, she looks great, wrinkles and all.

  70. Rep. Paul Ryan 1, ObamaCare 0
    By Jennifer Rubin

    House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) held an important hearing on ObamaCare, showing just how important is the process for educating the public, and thereby setting defenders of ObamaCare back on their heels.

    As he did last night, Ryan explained the contrast between how the two parties approach health care:

    “Do we empower consumers, or do we price-control from the government? What works best? … Medicare is the biggest driver of our debt. We’re all kidding ourselves if we think the program can just go on as is, and the sooner we address this the better off everybody is — the better we can guarantee my mom, who’s been on it for a number of years, and everybody else’s mom and dad, can have the program they organized their lives around, and that future retirees have a program they actually can count on. That’s the purpose of this particular bill that I introduced, and that’s hopefully the purpose of what we’re all trying to achieve.”

    But it was Richard Foster, the chief actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, who delivered a devastating blow to the ObamaCare supporters’ claims of fiscal discipline.

    First, came Foster’s assault on the double-counting utilized in theCBO scoring:

    REP. JOHN CAMPBELL(R- Calif.): “Is it legitimate to say… that you can add a dozen years to the solvency of Medicare or that you can reduce the deficit, but it is not correct to say both simultaneously?”

    FOSTER: “Both will happen as a result of the same one set of savings, under Medicare. But it takes two sets of money to make it happen. It happens directly for the budget deficit, from the Medicare savings, and then when we need the money to extend the Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, we have a promissory note – it’s an IOU, not a worthless IOU, but it is an IOU – and Treasury has to pay that money back. But they have to get it from somewhere. That’s the missing link.”

    Then he endorsed the idea behind Roadmap for America as a superior cost-savings mechanism. He also threw cold water on those touting ObamaCare as a way to save money. The A.P. reported:

    Two of the central promises of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul law are unlikely to be fulfilled, Medicare’s independent economic expert told Congress on Wednesday.

    The landmark legislation probably won’t hold costs down, and it won’t let everybody keep their current health insurance if they like it, Chief Actuary Richard Foster told the House Budget Committee. His office is responsible for independent long-range cost estimates. . . .

    Foster was asked by Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Calif., for a simple true or false response on two of the main assertions made by supporters of the law: that it will bring down unsustainable medical costs and will let people keep their current health insurance if they like it.

    On the costs issue, “I would say false, more so than true,” Foster responded.

    And as if all that was not enough, there was this exchange:

    McCLINTOCK: “The other promise… was the promise that if you like your plan, you can keep it. True or false?”

    FOSTER: “Not true in all cases.”

    James Capretta, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, also testified and observed the full hearing. In response to my inquiry as to the main take-away, he e-mailed, “The most important thing said [by Foster] today: in so many words, moving toward defined contribution health care has more potential than price controls to bring about real efficiency gains and higher productivity in the health sector, and slow the pace of rising costs. That’s a very big deal.” And a very big blow to the credibility of ObamaCare cheerleaders

  71. I find it difficult to believe that some folks here don’t think Fonda has the right to speak up on this movie, when sexism, using women as sex objects in movies is all part of it.

    Fonda knows this all too well, don’t believe me, refresh your memory:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000404/mediaindex?refine=tt0062711

    Are there better examples that we would love to see in this movie, maybe, but every women has lived out this drama in their own lives.

    Some are heros like Hillary or Sarah, others, maybe not so much…but they are at least speaking up in a documentary, they are all in the public eye.

    I hope the movie is honest, if it is, I appreciate all of them for it, even the one I personally dislike, Katie.

  72. I saw Jane Fonda on a talk show recently and I didn’t know if it was her, Mary Tyler Moore, Marlo Thomas or Joan Rivers.
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    Better living through chemistry–Dow Industries.

  73. Jeeze folks, talk about attacks on women
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    No no no. Not women in general. THOSE women as the leftists like to say about Hillary and Sarah. In my book, it is less a matter of gender and more a matter of elitism. The elites must be rolling in the aisles knowing that they are safe, and if the American People ever get up in arms over the maldistribution of wealth in this country, they can always play the race card or even the gender card and everyone will start attacking each other when they should be attacking the elites and their privileges. I never supported Hillary because she was a woman. I supported her because she was the best qualified candidate and had an agenda that made sense to me. That said, I do support the project, and since Newsome’s wife is involved I think that Hillary will be treated fairly. I hope the same goes for Sarah.

  74. Wbboei,
    Well now I DO NOT AGREE with Fonda and her Vietnam bullshit, but I do forgive her for being a mere vessel for the media moguls to make a fortune off of and when they were thru with her she was just another vagina cast off as old amongst millions of old vaginas. Its like the show horse, or race horse…once they are past their prime their just hamburger meat for Mexico. This was the regular thought and commonplace in my day and still is today. The stupid younger generatin think they’ve all figured it out….their as dense as they come.

    While were talking about spoiled brats….lets discuss George W. Bush…a spoiled brat, yet no one maligns him for being an old man past his prime or how about we discuss Donald Trump…too damn old to be still having children with young women. How about Mr. Soros who is old as dirt married to a way younger woman. We can all talk about those little brats that were spoiled by their rich families…how about JFK, or Teddy….now tell what about little spoiled Jane Fonda???

    I don’t forgive her for Vietnam or for what she did to Hillary but I understand how she got there!

  75. You can say the same for the elitist men too, but we must always single out the woman elitist first don’t we….why is that Wbboei??? Can you answer that?

  76. Wbboei,
    Men are getting facelifts, calf augmentation, pec augmentation and everything else…so we mustn’t just malign woman who want to stay young looking a viable.

  77. I find it difficult to believe that some folks here don’t think Fonda has the right to speak up on this movie, when sexism, using women as sex objects in movies is all part of it.
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    Two good reasons why she is not qualified to speak:

    1. first, she was well paid for what she did. If she felt as strongly about it then as she claims to now, they why did she not object at that time? Why did she play the parts? Why did she keep the money those movies earned? The point is her outrage stopped where her pocketbook began.

    2. second, her attacks on Hillary. They mirror her earlier attacks on this country, which went far beyond normal political dissent. She is a practioner, therefore anything she might say on the subject would be tainted with hypocrisy.

  78. Shadowfax,
    Paul Ryan did not impress me with his speech….I am smarter than a 5th grader…I’m sorry…he was talking down to us! That’s all I heard!

  79. I don’t forgive her for Vietnam or for what she did to Hillary but I understand how she got there!
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    That is the difference.

  80. Well in Hollywood in the sixties…that is the kind of scripts young beautiful woman got….if you wanted to work you took them along with trying out the casting couch….inotherwards Wbboei, they were high paid prostitues.

    There is not difference in the what happened to my daughter whom I nurtured, kept perfect for just the right man to come along and admire, love and adore them. I watched over them to make sure nothing happened to them along their way to adulthood….what happened they fell in love with two sociopaths who were Bible thumpers and they were beaten and almost killed on several occasions….so rich or poor woman are the slaves of the world…they are now and they were then!

  81. Incidently, my favorite movie of Jane Fonda was “Cat Ballou”….loved that horse and Lee Marvin! I think I still have it somewhere in a box along with Barbarella!LOL! She was my idol until her stupidity in Vietnam! I still went to see her movies, but they were never the same. Bought all her exercise videos and did them when I was young.

  82. Paul Ryan did not impress me with his speech
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    Confloyd, he is pretty damned good. Time will tell whether he can withstand big media attacks. Cantor has already folded. To lose in a game of fisticuffs is never a good thing, but to lose to a numb nuts like David Gregory, well that takes talent.

  83. wbb

    Just because you don’t like something a woman has done, ie: plastic surgery, ideas on war or other things mentioned here, it is still attacking a woman and feeling as though her being an elitist in your book, makes her fair game.

    I don’t like Katie because she attacked Sarah and tried to make her sound stupid, that is a fact. But, she is a woman, that has been in the public eye, and therefore is a ‘role model’ to some young women. Sounds like she has gone though some stuff on image on tv too, and she will face it more in the near future as she ages.

    I am not saying it is a free ride for men, but it sure as Hell is not the same bs women have to go though. It’s a woman thing that most men will never experience and are oblivious too.

    Many attacked Hillary or Sarah because they didn’t like something they said or political position, it is no different.

    Some are worse than others, it isn’t a Dem or Rethug thing, it isn’t an elitist, it is misogyny, pure and simple.

    This movie is what we are talking about, not if these women in the movie are perfect, if we agree with them politically or economically. It is sexism, sorry but there is nowhere to hide on this issue.

  84. Wbboei,
    Not really some men are very conscious of their “chicken legs” so they get those calves which are much like breast implants and then they get their eyes done and their jaws chiseled. Oh lets not forget they all want those perfect Hollywood teeth!

    Wbboei, The root of all evil in the world in MONEY….this is what causes all the ills in society….just look at the Quakers!

  85. I was unhappy with Jane Fonda and her nasty attacks on Hillary as well as Katrina of THE NATION because they were attacking another woman especially HILLARY as if they were elitist men doing it in the vilest ways. Somehow it felt like a betrayal. Since Jane was used and treated so badly, why would she want to turn around and treat another woman like that?

    My problem with Jane about the staying young looking is NOT that she has had work done on herself…more power to her. But it somehow seems very dishonest to put our workout tapes that suggest that if you “feel the burn” hard enough and long enough you, too, could look like her. Apparently she was having little nips and tucks done and we were led to believe it was all the exercise.

    I have nothing personal against Jane and Katrina but I must say that anyone who attacks Hillary with those underhanded nasty comments whether it is a man or a woman is on my bad list quite possibly for life…and that includes you too, Karl, Barry and on and on.

  86. Shadowfax,
    I agree with you its a misogny thing…our country is better than Afganistan, but still needs improvement and until we are seen as more than sex objects its not going to get better.

    I believe its started in Hollywood and the love of money which IS the root of all evil in this world>

    Look at poor Marilyn Monroe….as far as a man to look at…look at Elvis Presley….he got a bum wrap cause he got fat and old….He’s about the only one to go thru it though that I remember. Sean Connery is still a lady killer…

  87. wbb

    Sorry, but you and some others are way off base on this attack on women.
    I don’t want to get all worked up over it, but like Confloyd, I totally disagree with you on this and on all the Rethugs you admire. I like you though.

    Good night all, I want to sleep with a clear head.

    Confloyd, I couldn’t agree more with you!

  88. Right now I’m having a disagreement with my new male friend…he loves “married with children” and I refuse to let that show be played in my house because of the blatant sexism in that show. He says they make the father out to be the asshole, but I don’t see that!

  89. Goodnight California….Goodnight Seattle…on to more discussion tomorrow! Sleep tight and don’t let the bed bugs bit.

  90. Wbboei
    Yeah Nat King Cole was great…that horse won lee Marvin an Oscar…he said the horse won it for him. He did, but I bet that horse once it was past it useless did not get to go to the old folks home for horses, he got to go to Mexico for meat! If not that he was murdered for his insurance policy, just like Secretariat was!

    You ever wonder what happened to Marilyn Monroe….my guess the CIA…just the assassination of JFK?

  91. Shadowfax
    Sorry, but you and some others are way off base on this attack on women.
    Confloyd, I couldn’t agree more with you!

    =============

    Me too. Sorry I just got here.

    Now let’s get this straight. If an old woman has wrinkles, you make fun of her. If an old woman gets rid of her wrinkles, you make fun of her.

    Yeah.

  92. Thanks admin for another great post.

    The last part of this thread has been fascinating to me. In my opinion Fonda is a hypocrite. And didn’t she lately accuse Palin of inciting violence, i.e. the shooting in Tucson. Couric is another hypocrite. So is Steinem and lots of others. I wouldn’t watch this show because of who they chose to interview. Done with those people.

    But I’m also done with Oprah, Matt Damon, the actress who starred in the Princess Diaries any many more. Won’t watch any of their movies and that goes for all of the ones who helped install that jackass in the WH. It’s a matter of principle to me. (and let’s not forget the Kennedy’s hand in this show either – done with them as well. I mean wasn’t Bill president when JFK Jr.’s plane went down and he sent the Coast Guard to look for him. Wasn’t Barry it was Bill)

    Like many others here I’m a lifelong feminist who’s been in the trenches for the past 30 years. These people I mentioned (and many more of course) engaged in a certain set of actions. Logical consequences for me is that I don’t support them any more.

    Our country is in a horrible situation because some of these people decided to swill the koolaid instead of looking at qualifications and experience and competency. And here we are…

  93. I haven’t seen the film, but a wider choice of speakers will get the point across to a wider audience.

    Now make fun of fat old women. Wide, get it? Huh?

  94. JanH re Miss Representation trailer
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    I distributed the link to some family and friends. I included a caveat to protect children/teens from exposure to it. So far have heard back from a cousin who lives in central FL. She had this to say:
    Certainly not suitable for children — and offensive to me — but I think most teens I’ve encountered would not be offended or surprised. Have you ever been in a high school or middle school parking lot? It’s shocking, to say the least, to hear the way girls talk to each other and to boys.

  95. holdthemaccountable
    January 27th, 2011 at 7:34 am
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    I imagine this documentary is going to create a lot of different reactions by the time it airs. I posted the info because I felt it was relevant and have been watching the debate on this site with interest.

    Strangely enough, I believe that there is truth on both sides of the debate.

  96. If we are talking Jane Fonda movies, there is only one that I have watched more than once and enjoyed: “Julia”

    It had her and Vanessa Redgrave (also unlikable to me) but the acting was superb. It was about Lillian Hellman. Jason Robards was also in the movie.

  97. Report gives answers to mass bird deaths in Arkansas

    January 27, 2011

    The mass deaths of thousands of red-winged blackbirds in Arkansas was caused by “blunt force trauma,” according to a new report by the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission.

    Laboratory tests were conducted on 13 of the birds that were part of the group that flew into buildings and died in a neighborhood in Beebe, Arkansas, 40 miles northeast of Little Rock.

    “The tests ruled out bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, pesticides and avicides (chemicals used to kill birds) as causes of death,” the commission said in a statement.

    These results confirmed preliminary tests that were conducted after the incident.

    The tests revealed hemorrhaging “consistent with blunt trauma,” according to the report released Wednesday. “In most instances, such traumatic injuries in wild birds are due to flying into stationary objects such as trees, houses, windows, power lines, towers, etc.”

    Why did so many birds die?

    Bird deaths puzzle Arkansas residents RELATED TOPICS
    Arkansas
    Birds
    Officials say as many as 5,000 birds died in the incident.

    This incident came several days before another mass death of animals. In that incident, 450 miles south of Beebe, some 500 red-winged blackbirds, starlings and sparrows were found dead. Also that same week, about 50 dead birds were found on a street in Sweden.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/27/arkansas.bird.mystery/index.html?hpt=T2

  98. An empire of illusion: those Kennedy poses carefully rehearsed, those big media pictures of him at the head of the table with cabinet members at on his left and right eagerly waiting to hear the word convey the unmistakable illusion that He is not merely in charge, but in command, so go back to sleep boys and girls, your country is in fine hands which crony capitalists loot everything in sight. And now we find he has not met with cabinet ministers in two years . . . all an empire of illusion.

  99. wbb

    Sorry, but you and some others are way off base on this attack on women.
    I don’t want to get all worked up over it, but like Confloyd, I totally disagree with you on this and on all the Rethugs you admire. I like you though.

    Good night all, I want to sleep with a clear head.

    Confloyd, I couldn’t agree more with you!
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    Shadow, you cast your net far too wide. It sweeps in supporters and opponents alike. If you are seeking the truth you muse differentiate between those who attack women in general, and those who support qualified women and oppose unqualified men, and take issue with those women who do the reverse. But my core thesis here is much simpler. I believe that the attacks by the left and big media on two particular women are tactical, as opposed to substantive. They would not be opposed to these women if they mouthed the party line like Fonda. Rather, it is the fact that both of those women wanted to use the power of government to preserve a middle class. That to me is the issue. And for that they cultivate this empire of illusion. Rome burns, they fiddle and NOW temporarizes–or admires his abs.

  100. Correction: I doubt that Sarah would use the power of government to preserve the middle class as a first resort. She would be inclined toward market based solutions. But I am reasonably certain that she would not succumb to the move by the elites to gut social security. I also believe that Paul Ryan would preserve social security payments, but in a different format where poiticians could not loot it in order to pay off their cronies and thereby guarantee their own re election. And before you throw out all the Republicans with the bathwater, remember they are the ones who held Bambi’s feet to the fire on earmarks, and the tea parties will hold their feet to the fire if they ever back down from what they promised. How will they know? Big media will report it in blazing neon lights. It is not as if Obama did it, in which case the word is mum.

    Winning the future? That is what big daddy Obama promised? And just how do we win the future, what with record deficits, mounting debt, systemic unemployment which does not respond to the business cycle? Simple: take a man like Jeffrey Immelt who is one of your campaign chairman and who as Chairman of General Electric has shipped 52% of his own jobs over seas, wants in on health care, nuclear reactors, and other public works projects and make him your economic advisor. And just where is Jule Stein’s benighted granddaughter on that one? Oh, that is right, she is rich. It won’t affect her.

    Winning the future? More cut and paste. Wasn’t that the title of Gingrich’s book?

  101. When you disrespect women, you disrespect and insult Hillary. Hillary’s life’s work has been against misogyny in ANY form and championing women’s rights. She would say the same thing to you herself.
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    Check out Sarah Palin’s take on Obama Speech. Priceless!

  102. I can’t believe this silly argument ‘against women’ got so out of hand. I said I didn’t think Couric and Fonda were the best spokespersons against sexism in the film above, and turndownobama assumed I disagreed with Jane Fonda’s politics and changed the whole focus of the discussion. I disagreed with the fact that Fonda reinvented herself for each husband she had to please HIM. Jane is someone who had everything going for her, looks, talent, and connections, but couldn’t seem to settle on who she was. This is not being anti woman. I have 40 years in the feminist movement and I’ve watched all these women who’ve been around for awhile. Couric is seen as a voice for women because she was made an anchor with a huge salary and caught some flack for that. She succeeded because no man ever saw her as a threat because of her bubbly personality, not because she was a strong woman. Yet neither of these women stood up for other women. Please focus your defense of women on those women who are strong and independent and catch hell for that everyday – like Hillary.

  103. An “applause line?” What the heck does reid thinks the rest of the speech was???

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    Reid to Obama: ‘Back Off’ on Banning Earmarks

    by Sara Sorcher
    Thursday, January 27, 2011 | 8:30 a.m.

    Chip Somodevilla/Getty ImagesSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
    President Obama’s vow to veto any bill containing earmarks was denounced by one of his strongest allies, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who said the president needs to “back off.”

    Obama’s tough talk drew loud applause from many Republicans during the State of the Union — with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has disagreed with the president on many contentious issues like “don’t ask, don’t tell,” the New START and others, giving a standing ovation at the line.

    But Reid dismissed the president’s crusade on earmarks as an “applause line.”

    “I think it’s absolutely wrong,” Reid said Wednesday on NBC Nightly News. “The public should understand that the president has enough power; he should back off and let us do what we do.”

    A ban on earmarks was the very first hot-button issued tackled by the new Republican-controlled House this year, and Obama’s words during his address were aimed to reassure them — and a public suspicious of earmarks — that he’s on their side. “Because the American people deserve to know that special interests aren’t larding up legislation with pet projects, both parties in Congress should know this: If a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it. I will veto it,” Obama said during his address.

    Yet Reid insisted that earmarks have already been curtailed significantly. “There was abuse, there’s no question about it,” he said, adding that now, “we have transparency… there’s no way to sneak anything in the bill.”

    “It hurts a member of Congress’ ability to help people in need — whether it’s a university, a city, struggling business of some kind,” Reid said, insisting that he knows much more about the needs within his own state of Nevada than the president. “It’s a question of hurting the people we represent. We have three separate but equal branches of government and I don’t want the executive branch messing around with my territory.”

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/budget/reid-to-obama-back-off-on-banning-earmarks-20110127

  104. Okay, for those who say that the teaparty people and Palin are all the same old same old GOP corporatists, and there is no common ground to be found whatsoever, have a gander at her facebook post today:

    Consider what his “big government greatness” really amounts to. It’s basically a corporatist agenda – it’s the collaboration between big government and the big businesses that have powerful friends in D.C. and can afford to hire big lobbyists. This collaboration works in a manner that distorts and corrupts true free market capitalism. This isn’t just old-fashioned big government liberalism; this is crony capitalism on steroids. In the interests of big business, we’re “investing” in technologies and industries that venture capitalists tell us are non-starters, but which will provide lucrative Noreturns for some corporate interests who have major investments in these areas.

    Not to be snide, but WTF??? The world is upside down when a small-govt libertarian-leaning rightie, who busted Big Oil’s chops in Alaska to get it out of bed with the state govt, is the only one with the balls to call out the corporate incest, while the “left” is busy fellating Wall Street’s dreamboat president.

    No, I do not agree with all of Palin’s uber-small govt solutions. I think there are better ways to break the pact of Corporation and State.

    But damned if she isn’t one of the few saying LOUDLY AND CLEARLY that that pact is a danger to this country, and we need to separate their asses, and fast. The world has gone crazy, and old labels no longer apply, at least not in the neat-with-no-overlap sense that they used to.

  105. Jan H
    But Reid dismissed the president’s crusade on earmarks as an “applause line.”

    “I think it’s absolutely wrong,” Reid said Wednesday on NBC Nightly News. “The public should understand that the president has enough power; he should back off and let us do what we do.”
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    This is the story I was going to post this morning but got distracted reading all the comments I missed last night. Thanks for having a source for the story because I just saw Reid being interviewed on tv and didn’t have a source. He was adamant in saying the president had enough power and I thought that was interesting.

  106. BCL,
    I agree with you! Let’s focus on the strong women! Any woman that can’t see the good Hillary has done is not on the side of feminist movement and are obstructing our move forward, but that can be said of some men too!

    Senneth, I agree and as far as hypocrites go….they don’t make them any bigger or louder than Newt Gingrich….I dispise the man/mouse.

    Women are their own worse enemy most times….they will always side with the man…its what we’ve been trained to do.

  107. More on how the system really works, and how we are getting screwed. This comment was from Red State, and I was the only one who liked it. I liked it because it is true. This is also why I like Sarah. She may never be president, but if she were I do believe she would drive the money changers from the temple.
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    julio rodriguez (se7ensnakes) wrote:

    Obama is talking to a crowd that do not understand the first thing about the functions in the economy. The USA has a Fractional Reserve Economic System. Most of the money in circulation is created by private banks extending credit. Without this credit, the economy fails as it has done so many times before. When no one borrows the volume of money contracts and the typical unemployment, bankruptcy, foreclosure scenario takes place. Wall Street operates with impunity. They sit in conference rooms discussing creative ways to fleece the masses. The Big Banks lobby for laws, and they contribute generously to political campaigns so the system is not one borne out of extensive public debate. The Economic system is set-up to benefit the financiers and not the working people. So long as the masses have no clue about the mechanics of money creation, and the mechanics of the federal debt, we are going to have an irrelevant and incessant cycle of republicans and democrats. America is on its third Bank War and this time the working people are loosing terribly. We argue about minor Conservative – Liberal issues while we become debt slaves. I have seen the possible republican candidates for the next election and I have to say America i

  108. wbb, I am not casting any net, I am not talking about being politically supportive of any woman over any man, I am talking about the movie, hopefully bringing out the truth of what it is like for a woman in this country.

    How there is a double standard in jobs, perception and catty attacks towards them all disguised as justified because they did something we don’t like.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not above all this either, I sometimes fly off the handle at some women, or some man (like Barry) and go for the throat, but I think to myself… and try to be aware of my judgement for what it is and not because of someone’s gender, race or political view.

  109. This is why Palin is such a headache to the obots, she is not afraid to state loud and clear that she thinks Obama is not who they pretend he is. And she does it over and over. You got to chuckle at her focus.

  110. Murphy at Pumapac also has a new thread about Palin’s response to THE SPEECH:

    ‘There is nothing like ridicule to puncture the mindless fog of pomp. Now, anytime a bloviator on TV or the internet tries to reference Newt Gingrich’s obama’s Winning the Future agenda millions of people will be smirking and thinking of Sarah Palin with a smile.’

  111. Here is why I like Sarah. She sees the corruption, is willing to call them on it, and if she were to become president, these people would run for the weeds. I think that is a plausible scenario, when and if the system crashes, as it will at some point. This is a very revealing comment:

    julio rodriguez (se7ensnakes) wrote:

    Obama is talking to a crowd that do not understand the first thing about the functions in the economy. The USA has a Fractional Reserve Economic System. Most of the money in circulation is created by private banks extending credit. Without this credit, the economy fails as it has done so many times before. When no one borrows the volume of money contracts and the typical unemployment, bankruptcy, foreclosure scenario takes place. Wall Street operates with impunity. They sit in conference rooms discussing creative ways to fleece the masses. The Big Banks lobby for laws, and they contribute generously to political campaigns so the system is not one borne out of extensive public debate. The Economic system is set-up to benefit the financiers and not the working people. So long as the masses have no clue about the mechanics of money creation, and the mechanics of the federal debt, we are going to have an irrelevant and incessant cycle of republicans and democrats. America is on its third Bank War and this time the working people are loosing terribly. We argue about minor Conservative – Liberal issues while we become debt slaves. I have seen the possible republican candidates for the next election and I have to say America/

  112. I need to clarify my last post, I try to be aware of when I attack someone, and pointing out my disagreement with their political views are attacks on that view, not on them because of their race or because they are a woman or a man.

    I attack Barry, not because he is half black, but because of all the corruption and lies, and…….on and on.

    I wouldn’t vote for Sarah, nor do I attack her, I disagree with her political views to a certain degree.

    I didn’t vote nor do I support and love Hillary just because she is a woman. She does make me proud as a woman and I see her as a great role model.

  113. BigCatLover,
    Sarah has true grit and she enjoys needling Obama which I have to admit I enjoy. She’s so much like Hillary (personality wise) its funny.
    Someone posted that clip of Hillary during the primary and that little slap on the arm she gave Tweety at the end….Priceless! LOL!
    Hillary works her magic in many ways, but nevertheless once this person got Hillaryized….they know they’ve been had…LOL!

  114. It’s still freaking blowing my mind that it’s a republican gone rogue who is coming out and publicly lambasting the “corporatist agenda”

    You GO, Sarah!!! LOL!

  115. Sarah Palin is witty. The WTF thing made my day. She really is bright.

    How about this for a slogan? For Sarah against Beery. Start The Future Up.

  116. Wbb, I am totally in your corner with Hanoi Jane. She is a grown woman with incredible power because of her wealth and vehicle of employment. Instead of speaking truth to power, she joins the good old boys club with zest. She did her little tank stint while my brother was in Viet Nam, and I for one will never forget the “Tokyo Rose” of our era. Shame on her. Victim my ass.

  117. Obama’s State of the Union Was Tantamount to Plagiarism

    By Alvin Felzenberg
    Posted: January 26, 2011

    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, what can be said of plagiarism? President Obama’s second State of the Union address contained enough recycled ideas and lines lifted from speeches of others to make historians wince. I suppose this is what one does when one not only has nothing new to say, but is required by custom and Constitution to come forth with a report of some kind by a certain time and day.

    Had Obama or his writers been considerate enough to have informed listeners of where some of the president’s best lines and offered-up ideas originated, the speech might be remembered for its cutting and pasting of great and not-so-great moments of the past performance of others. After quoting Robert Kennedy early on, Obama tried to have his listeners believe that everything else he said that we might remember were his or his writers’ creations. Had the president submitted the text of his second State of the Union Address in the form of a college term paper, he would have been sent forthwith to the nearest academic dean. Once again, our public affairs are such that we have one standard for presidents and another for undergraduates. Now is as good a time as any to let Obama’s listeners in on what the late Paul Harvey would have termed “the rest of the story.” [Take the poll: Was Obama’s State of the Union speech a success?]

    Early in his address, Obama said that he wanted the nation he leads to be a “light to the world.” The last president who set such a mission for the nation he led, and in those exact words, was Woodrow Wilson.

    Obama’s concept of the “American family” may well have had its origins in the first State of the State address New York Governor Mario Cuomo delivered in 1983. Cuomo proclaimed the state of New York as a “family.” He also talked about multiple partnerships, both public and private.

    In an address to the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s, Margaret Thatcher delivered what might go down as the most memorable line in Obama’s second State of the Union address. The British Prime Minister told her American audience that the United States was the “first nation to have been founded on an idea.” It took the president a few additional words to get this idea across.

    Obama’s pointed mutterings about a second “Sputnik Moment” being upon us and his recollection of how American policymakers responded to the last one with increased expenditures on infrastructure, science, technology, and education were clearly intended to evoke the spirit of Dwight D. Eisenhower. His setting of specific deadlines and goals was vintage JFK, but for the absence of any sense of challenge to his audience, list of benefits the United States would derive from them, or any semblance of a shared adventure the American people were about to embark upon. [Read Robert Schlesinger: Obama Not the First to Use ‘Sputnik Moment.’]

    There was a certain Back to the Future feel to the masterful tributes Obama paid those Ronald Reagan might have described as “ordinary heroes.” After all, it was Reagan who began the practice of inviting citizens who had done extraordinary things to sit beside the first lady in the House gallery as the president recited their achievements. It was also Reagan who reminded his listeners that the greatness of America emerged not from the hand of government, but through the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people. [Check out a roundup of political cartoons on Obama.]

    Obama received his most sustained applause when he said, “I know there isn’t a person here who would trade places with any other nation on Earth.” Leaving aside the faulty grammar (people change places with people, not with nations), the poaching from John F. Kennedy’s immortal inaugural address was obvious enough for the most historical of Obama’s listeners to notice. (“I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation.”) That Obama could utter almost identical words days after paying tribute to Kennedy on the 50th anniversary of the delivery of that famous speech and not making reference to it suggests a self-absorption rare even among presidents. [See photos of the Obamas behind the scenes.]

    Most pointedly, the low point of Obama’s speech came when he brought back government re-organization from the ash heap of failed efforts of previous presidents who sought to save money without inflicting pain on a public that had grown accustomed to government largesse. This one, like all that talk about all those green energy jobs that lay before us, had fallen out of the presidential repertoire with retirement of Jimmy Carter. Obama might have had the decency to have Carter on hand to witness the moment. He will have another chance should he, when he delivers his budget, bring back that other Carter flop from yesteryear, “zero based budgeting.” [See a slide show of 10 worst presidents.]

    Even Obama’s feigned attempt at humor had an antecedent in the remarks of a predecessor who spun better yarns than this president. Obama informed his listeners that salmon comes under the jurisdiction of one department when swimming in fresh water and under another when swimming in salt water. He rhetorically inquired what happened to the fish when “smoked.”

    Somewhere in the White House library resides a published letter Franklin Roosevelt wrote to an adviser in which he complained that some bears were the property of the Interior Department, while others belonged the National Parks System. FDR, tongue in cheek, warned of a pending custody battle over cubs that emerged from illicit unions of bears crossing departmental jurisdictions. [Read A Brief History of the State of the Union Address.]

    It would appear that the only president of note whose imprint was absent in Obama’s long awaited and much-anticipated speech was Obama. This was supposed to have been the moment when the nation found out whether he was at the core a Rooseveltian liberal of a Clintonian centrist. What it got was a cut and pasted version of great and not-so-great State of the Union and other addresses of the past.

    Sometime last year, many suggested that Obama would have an easier time getting his message across if he was less dependent on his teleprompter. This may be the year his writers are advised to throw away their books of political quotations. Then we may finally find out what the president truly believes and what he hopes to achieve in the office he so ardently sought.

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/alvin-felzenberg/2011/01/26/obamas-state-of-the-union-was-tantamount-to-plagiarism

  118. her facebook post…

    Despite the flowery rhetoric, the President doesn’t seem to understand that individuals make America great, not the federal government. American greatness lies in the courage and hard work of individual innovators and entrepreneurs. America is an exceptional nation in part because we have historically been a country that rewards and affirms individual initiative and offers people the freedom to invest and create as they see fit – not as a government bureaucrat does. Yes, government can play an appropriate role in our free market by ensuring a level playing field to encourage honest competition without picking winners and losers. But by and large, government should get out of the way. Unfortunately, under President Obama’s leadership, government growth is in our way, and his “big government greatness” will not help matters.

    Consider what his “big government greatness” really amounts to. It’s basically a corporatist agenda – it’s the collaboration between big government and the big businesses that have powerful friends in D.C. and can afford to hire big lobbyists. This collaboration works in a manner that distorts and corrupts true free market capitalism. This isn’t just old-fashioned big government liberalism; this is crony capitalism on steroids. In the interests of big business, we’re “investing” in technologies and industries that venture capitalists tell us are non-starters, but which will provide lucrative returns for some corporate interests who have major investments in these areas. In the interests of big government, we’re not reducing the size of our bloated government or cutting spending, we’re told the President will freeze it – at unsustainable, historic levels! In practice, this means that public sector employees (big government’s staunchest defenders) may not lose jobs, but millions of Americans in the private sector face lay offs because the ever-expanding government has squeezed out and crippled our economy under the weight of unsustainable debt.

    – Sarah Palin

  119. JanH
    January 27th, 2011 at 11:05 am
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    maybe blunt force trauma was the official way they died, but what caused thousands of birds to not self correct and fly into walls…that is the question.

  120. Exactly, gonzotx.

    The report gave no answers…only what did not cause the problem. It is still very strange.

    They tell us it was not disease or a virus. They tell us it is normal for this to happen? We’ve heard all kinds of reports but there is still NOT an answer for thousands of birds in rural Arkansas and Louisiana to suddenly die because they ran into objects.

    It is strange.

  121. Some of the photos of the dead birds showed them lying in the street. What could they have hit that they would fall in the middle of a street. A new airplane that is invisible? I don;t think electrical wires would catch so many and that is the only thing I can think of near a street.

  122. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, what can be said of plagiarism? President Obama’s second State of the Union address contained enough recycled ideas and lines lifted from speeches of others to make historians wince. I suppose this is what one does when one not only has nothing new to say, but is required by custom and Constitution to come forth with a report of some kind by a certain time and day.

    Had Obama or his writers been considerate enough to have informed listeners of where some of the president’s best lines and offered-up ideas originated, the speech might be remembered for its cutting and pasting of great and not-so-great moments of the past performance of others. After quoting Robert Kennedy early on, Obama tried to have his listeners believe that everything else he said that we might remember were his or his writers’ creations. Had the president submitted the text of his second State of the Union Address in the form of a college term paper, he would have been sent forthwith to the nearest academic dean. Once again, our public affairs are such that we have one standard for presidents and another for undergraduates. Now is as good a time as any to let Obama’s listeners in on what the late Paul Harvey would have termed “the rest of the story.” [Take the poll: Was Obama’s State of the Union speech a success?]

    Early in his address, Obama said that he wanted the nation he leads to be a “light to the world.” The last president who set such a mission for the nation he led, and in those exact words, was Woodrow Wilson.

    Obama’s concept of the “American family” may well have had its origins in the first State of the State address New York Governor Mario Cuomo delivered in 1983. Cuomo proclaimed the state of New York as a “family.” He also talked about multiple partnerships, both public and private.

    In a 1991 Washington, D.C. address sponsored by conservative groups, including the Heritage Foundation, Margaret Thatcher coined a phrase Obama made his own in his second State of the Union address. Thatcher told her American audience that “no other nation has been built upon an idea.” In a slightly revised form, Obama, in his second State of the Union address, all but repeated it, using additional words.

    Obama’s pointed mutterings about a second “Sputnik Moment” being upon us and his recollection of how American policymakers responded to the last one with increased expenditures on infrastructure, science, technology, and education were clearly intended to evoke the spirit of Dwight D. Eisenhower. His setting of specific deadlines and goals was vintage JFK, but for the absence of any sense of challenge to his audience, list of benefits the United States would derive from them, or any semblance of a shared adventure the American people were about to embark upon. [Read Robert Schlesinger: Obama Not the First to Use ‘Sputnik Moment.’]

    There was a certain Back to the Future feel to the masterful tributes Obama paid those Ronald Reagan might have described as “ordinary heroes.” After all, it was Reagan who began the practice of inviting citizens who had done extraordinary things to sit beside the first lady in the House gallery as the president recited their achievements. It was also Reagan who reminded his listeners that the greatness of America emerged not from the hand of government, but through the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people. [Check out a roundup of political cartoons on Obama.]

    Obama received his most sustained applause when he said, “I know there isn’t a person here who would trade places with any other nation on Earth.” Leaving aside the faulty grammar (people change places with people, not with nations), the poaching from John F. Kennedy’s immortal inaugural address was obvious enough for the most historical of Obama’s listeners to notice. (“I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation.”) That Obama could utter almost identical words days after paying tribute to Kennedy on the 50th anniversary of the delivery of that famous speech and not making reference to it suggests a self-absorption rare even among presidents. [See photos of the Obamas behind the scenes.]

    Most pointedly, the low point of Obama’s speech came when he brought back government re-organization from the ash heap of failed efforts of previous presidents who sought to save money without inflicting pain on a public that had grown accustomed to government largesse. This one, like all that talk about all those green energy jobs that lay before us, had fallen out of the presidential repertoire with retirement of Jimmy Carter. Obama might have had the decency to have Carter on hand to witness the moment. He will have another chance should he, when he delivers his budget, bring back that other Carter flop from yesteryear, “zero based budgeting.” [See a slide show of 10 worst presidents.]

    Even Obama’s feigned attempt at humor had an antecedent in the remarks of a predecessor who spun better yarns than this president. Obama informed his listeners that salmon comes under the jurisdiction of one department when swimming in fresh water and under another when swimming in salt water. He rhetorically inquired what happened to the fish when “smoked.”

    Somewhere in the White House library resides a published letter Franklin Roosevelt wrote to an adviser in which he complained that some bears were the property of the Interior Department, while others belonged the National Parks System. FDR, tongue in cheek, warned of a pending custody battle over cubs that emerged from illicit unions of bears crossing departmental jurisdictions. [Read A Brief History of the State of the Union Address.]

    It would appear that the only president of note whose imprint was absent in Obama’s long awaited and much-anticipated speech was Obama. This was supposed to have been the moment when the nation found out whether he was at the core a Rooseveltian liberal of a Clintonian centrist. What it got was a cut and pasted version of great and not-so-great State of the Union and other addresses of the past.

    Sometime last year, many suggested that Obama would have an easier time getting his message across if he was less dependent on his teleprompter. This may be the year his writers are advised to throw away their books of political quotations. Then we may finally find out what the president truly believes and what he hopes to achieve in the office he so ardently sought.

  123. Sorry,, the credits were cut off from above article

    Obama’s State of the Union Was Tantamount to Plagiarism
    By ALVIN FELZENBERG
    Posted: January 26, 2011

  124. BigCatLover
    January 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Big Cat, I don’t know why but it seems the website “Hillary Unleashed” is missing under the Hillary heading in the right hand column on PUMAPAC. If you would, could you mention the oversight to Murphy asking her to have the site added to the Hillary roster? Thanks 😉

    Here is the web address-

    http://hillaryunleashed.wordpress.com

  125. shenanigans,

    lol…I posted that article earlier. Glad to know that you thought it was important as well. 🙂

  126. I wonder if over-exposure to all the New Year’s Eve fireworks, etc… had anything to do with the birds dying.

  127. How there is a double standard in jobs, perception and catty attacks towards them all disguised as justified because they did something we don’t like
    —————————
    You may have experienced that in your lifetime and if so I am sympathetic. But right now the economic burden of this recession is hitting males without a high school education harder than females in the same group. More women are graduating from law school than men. Market factors will decide these issues. And women on other blogs have commented on how in every sitcom men are are portrayed as the dummies and women as the enlightened ones. The battle between the sexes will not go away. Their interests are both complimentary and competitive. However, more and more men I know–and women have opted for the solitary life. Plato spoke of this as a marker for the decline of civilization. The fact is that civilization is largely a female construct, whereas most men prefer freedom. And when the allure is missing many of them lose interest in perpetuating the status quo. Once a society has surpassed that point there is very little you can do to save it.

  128. julio rodriguez (se7ensnakes) wrote:

    Obama is talking to a crowd that do not understand the first thing about the functions in the economy. The USA has a Fractional Reserve Economic System. Most of the money in circulation is created by private banks extending credit. Without this credit, the economy fails as it has done so many times before. When no one borrows the volume of money contracts and the typical unemployment, bankruptcy, foreclosure scenario takes place. Wall Street operates with impunity. They sit in conference rooms discussing creative ways to fleece the masses. The Big Banks lobby for laws, and they contribute generously to political campaigns so the system is not one borne out of extensive public debate. The Economic system is set-up to benefit the financiers and not the working people. So long as the masses have no clue about the mechanics of money creation, and the mechanics of the federal debt, we are going to have an irrelevant and incessant cycle of republicans and democrats. America is on its third Bank War and this time the working people are loosing terribly. We argue about minor Conservative – Liberal issues while we become debt slaves. I have seen the possible republican candidates for the next election and I have to say America i

  129. my comments re: Fonda and Ephron went directly to the essence of what the documentary ‘missrepresentation’ is about…from the trailer it appears that certain women are being designated to speak about sexism…in her later life, for example, Fonda has taken on preventing teen pregnancy,etc…

    they deem themselves spokespeople for sexism towards women…so since they have given so much thought and action to this…they should really know better…

    and what did they do…towards Hillary (and SP)…look at the comments that came out of their mouths…personal, sexist attacks on Hillary commenting on her ‘vagina’, etc…

    …that is the HYPOCRISY…that is the defaming of another woman on gender terms…and that is the kind of behavior that has to be called out…otherwise one side always excuses themselves…it is akin to the discussion ADMIN has introduced re: if the right would only point out how the left went after Hillary, then their communication about how republican women are attacked would be put in a more encompassing perspective…

    maybe Michael Jackson hit upon it when he wrote ‘Man in the Mirror’…nothing is going to change unless people can be honest and look at themselves before they go projecting on to others…

    *****************************************************

    and speaking of spunky, strong women, whether you agree with her or not, really got to give it to SP and her ‘WTF’…so now she has managed to get “WTF’ on O’s logo all over the net…that woman is alot smarter than the left gives her credit for (or maybe that is what they fear)…she is crafty and the thing I believe she has in common with Hillary is she is fearless…

    women with courage and conviction who are fearless…now that is something to admire…

  130. I have tried to post this piece four times and it has not gone through. It is important. It is a comment on another site in response to the State of the Union, and the (real) state of the disunion:

    Obama is talking to a crowd that do not understand the first thing about the functions in the economy.

    The USA has a Fractional Reserve Economic System. Most of the money in circulation is created by private banks extending credit. Without this credit, the economy fails as it has done so many times before. When no one borrows the volume of money contracts and the typical unemployment, bankruptcy, foreclosure scenario takes place. Wall Street operates with impunity. They sit in conference rooms discussing creative ways to fleece the masses. The Big Banks lobby for laws, and they contribute generously to political campaigns so the system is not one borne out of extensive public debate.

    The Economic system is set-up to benefit the financiers and not the working people. So long as the masses have no clue about the mechanics of money creation, and the mechanics of the federal debt, we are going to have an irrelevant and incessant cycle of republicans and democrats. America is on its third Bank War and this time the working people are loosing terribly. We argue about minor Conservative – Liberal issues while we become debt slaves. I have seen the possible republican candidates for the next election and I have to say America i

  131. Shadowfax
    January 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Good answer. Thanks for posting it.. 🙂

    Tearing each other down, male or female is not what we are about. We need to rise above it all because we have bigger fish to fry. Misogyny in any form is an imsult to all the females on this board, so please make it STOP.

  132. confloyd
    January 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    Mrs. Smith
    Did you all see this?
    ________________________________

    Ridiculous- with the GPS systems in place today theres no reason why the US can’t blow them out of the sky the minute the packages cross the border.

  133. OK. One more round on Fonda. If you saw the movie California Suite, then you may recall an exchange between Fonda and Alda which is pure Neil Simon. Alda reminds her of the work she did on the Farmworkers cause. It consisted of spending $500 on a stylish pair of slacks and holding up signs. He pointed out that she would have been better off giving the $500 to the farmworkers. But of course that was never the motive. The real motive was her desire to be a celebrity and preen in front of a camera. The farm workers cause? Merely an excuse. George Clooney is the same way. Drive by shootings are fine, but he never hangs around for the rebuttal. So we see Hanoi Jane leap from anti war to fitness to farmworkers to ted turner to christianity to child obesity, to world hunger and now to Obama. Marvelous. That is campaigning. The tough part is governing and for that part she and Obama are birds of a feather. Here today gone tomorrow.

  134. Mrs.Smith,
    Well I thought the catapult was an entreprenerial spirit That Potus was talking about in his SOTU. You got give to those drug smugglers…that was a good idea…wonder how long they’ve been doing that, LOL! Probably years!

    Wbboei,
    Jane is a lost soul in search of something to make her overtly rich self happy! She’s living the life she portrayed in “California Suite”. These Hollywood types are desparately searching for meaning in their lives…so the campaigners like Obama see them as ripe for the pickens! Someone got a hold of Jane and brain washed her against Hillary….pretty easy to do when your really a sheep.

  135. Sorry, Jan H. I didn’t see it as I was reading and I even checked back before I posted. Geez…wth?? LOL

  136. I just watched the trailer all you guys were talking about…yeah Jane and Arianna were on there for some strange reason….maybe a little regret? Who know’s, but they don’t speak for me!

  137. confloyd
    January 27th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Mrs.Smith,

    Well I thought the catapult was an entreprenerial spirit That Potus was talking about in his SOTU. You got give to those drug smugglers…that was a good idea…wonder how long they’ve been doing that, LOL! Probably years!
    ____________________

    Had a great story to tell you confloyd. Checked my phone id. Just got back in..

  138. JanH @ 10:41 am: I posted the info because I felt it was relevant
    ——————–
    I too am interested in the reactions, but mostly I’m happy that there are reactions. One of these days something on this topic is going to take off and fly.
    And that particular day will be very sweet.

  139. Some of the photos of the dead birds showed them lying in the street. What could they have hit that they would fall in the middle of a street. A new airplane that is invisible?

    ======================

    A black helicopter?

  140. wbb

    I can’t be any more clear with my message, even if I could say it in Latin or Chinese.

    If the movie is good, I hope you see it and maybe you will understand what I am trying to say.

    …….moving on from that discussion.

  141. Mrs. Smith
    January 27th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    Misogyny in any form is an imsult to all the females on this board, so please make it STOP.

    =================

    Good for you!

    I’ve been keeping quiet when people riducule Pelosi or McCaskill’s appearance, but going after Mary Tyler Moore for having wrinkles or Fonda for allegedly getting plastic surgery is too much.

    Palin spends a lot of attention on her hair and makeup, and that’s okay. She’s striking a blow FOR women by showing that you can look pretty and still be smart and effective.

  142. Just a quick shout out, today is the birthday anniversary of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. WWFM (89.1) FM is playing his music round the clock (and had been all week). Oh yeah, on the web at wwfm.org. Grew up on Zeppelin and the Stone and the Grateful Dead, but as I learned the guitar and eventually classical guitar, I grew to re-appreciate classical music, to the point where it is what I primarily listen to (jazz, and rock, and everything else). And of my three favorites (Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart), Wolfie is my absolute favorite.

    Rock on, dude!

  143. Jay Carney Next White House Press Secretary: Report

    Jay Carney is expected to be named White House Press Secretary “late [Thursday] afternoon or more likely Friday,” CNN’s Ed Henry tweets.

    A source tells Henry that the job was “totally lined up” for Carney before Obama tapped Bill Daley as his new chief of staff, and that Daley proceeded to look at additional candidates, lengthening the process.

    Carney is currently Vice President Joe Biden’s communications director. He previously Washington Bureau Chief at Time magazine.

    Current press secretary Robert Gibbs announced earlier in January that he would be leaving the White House.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/jay-carney-white-house-press-secretary_n_815019.html

  144. Bill Clinton Says Wife Wants Grandchild More Than Presidency

    By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan – Jan 27, 2011

    Former U.S. President Bill Clinton said his wife Hillary Clinton, who was runner-up for the Democratic nomination in 2008, wants to be a grandmother more than she ever wanted the presidency.

    Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland today, the former president was asked what he wants to accomplish in the next decade.

    “I’d like to live, I’d like to be a grandfather. I have nothing to do with that achievement, but I would like it,” Clinton, 64, replied, laughing. “I would like to have a happy wife and she won’t be unless she’s a grandmother. It’s something she wants more than she wanted to be president.”

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, 63, has repeatedly ruled out another run for the presidency when asked about her aspirations for the next electoral cycle. The Clintons’ only child, Chelsea Clinton, 30, wed Marc Mezvinsky, 33, a hedge fund manager and son of two former members of the U.S. House of Representatives, last July.

    Clinton’s lighthearted personal comments came at the end of an hour-long discussion with WEF founder Klaus Schwab at the global gathering of economic policy makers and executives.

    The former president, who serves as the UN Special Envoy for Haiti, criticized the slow pace of rebuilding in the Caribbean nation that has been ravaged by earthquake, disease and political unrest in the last year.

    Clinton said this week’s protests in Egypt and the recent revolt in nearby Tunisia reflect a “yearning” in the Mideast and North Africa, and a deep desire among youth to become “part of a modern world that works.”

    He also said domestic politics in Israel is interfering with the Jewish state’s ability to make a peace deal with Palestinians. Clinton said a fair two-state solution would be similar to the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which offered Israel recognition and peace with its Arab neighbors in exchange for a return of Israel’s occupied territories, an independent Palestinian state and a “just settlement” for Palestinian refugees.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-27/bill-clinton-says-wife-wants-grandchild-more-than-presidency.html

  145. Gee Whiz, Bill and Hillary are sure pressuring Chelsea to procreate, LOL! That’s the second article from him wishing to be a grandfather. Well if/when they make it, it’ll probably be the end of their politics….they’ll not want to give up a second of time with the youngster. You can’t hardly blame them….they had Chelsea in a Governor’s mansion! Hopefully she’ll have more of an impact this half of the administration. I just wish she would get involved with the economy, she’s pretty much fixed the international relations….she needs to get our economy going now!

  146. Mrs. Smith,
    I’ll try to call you tomorrow.

    I feel pewny today…why I don’t know…people have been coughing and puking on me all winter and I haven’t got sick yet…but I feel awfully tired today! Oh well off to work, praise God, I have a job!

  147. JanH
    January 27th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Bill Clinton Says Wife Wants Grandchild More Than Presidency
    ____________________

    Chelsea is a special daughter. She always has done as her parents suggested she do- The last thing she did before she was married was get a degree in Health Care.

    I hope she has twins, one of each. There wouldn’t be a better Mr Mom than Bill and it will give Hillary another chance at motherhood seeing she had always been the breadwinner of the family until Bill became involved in politics.
    ____________________

    JanH:

    What does Bill mean by this statement?

    “Clinton said a fair two-state solution would be similar to the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which offered Israel recognition and peace with its Arab neighbors in exchange for a return of Israel’s occupied territories, an independent Palestinian state and a “just settlement” for Palestinian refugees.”

    Is Bill referring to Bibi?

  148. Mrs. Smith,

    I’m not sure but I think so. I have a problem with the “return of Israel’s occupied territories” part though. The Israeli people owned those territories for many years before they were pushed out. The idea that the Arabs are the rightful owners only looks at the geographics of the last century. What about prior to that?

  149. I was told today that Obama has set aside 20.2 billion to relocate Hezbollah people to this country. I told the guy who told me this, who listens to talk radio, that that is too much to believe, even in the case of Obama. He told me he will bring me the blog where he read it when I see him next week.

    In the meantime, you have this–which is why I had hoped Hillary would leave the State Department after the mid terms. There is no win in this for her, and no one can control the radical forces which have been unleashed by his timidity, mendacity and naivetee. In sum, this is scary. Pay particular attention to the last paragraph because it tells the story of the Obama foreign policy, which is based on the Michael Dell notion that nations in the same supply chain do not make war on each other. If there was no more to human nature, then being in the same supply chain, and putting those recalcitrant nations in it as well to restrain their bellicose tendencies would be the answer. But it isn’t the answer, nor is forced modernization–the issue is love of the in group and hatred of the outgroup which is the pattern of history. And that is why his approach to foreign policy is failing on all fronts. Faculty lounge meets Godzilla.
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    Obama Partners With The Muslim Brotherhood — What Could Go Wrong?
    Posted by streiff (Profile)
    Thursday, January 27th at 1:00PM EST
    11 Comments

    Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak’s son who is considered as his successor has fled to Britain along with his family, US-based Arabic website Akhbar al-Arab reported.

    […]

    The report came as violent unrest broke out in Cairo and other Egyptian cities and hundreds of thousands of people reportedly took to the streets in a Tunisia-inspired day of revolt.

    The long reign of Hosni Mubarak seems to be in its final decline and the next few weeks will probably determine to a great extent the security picture of the Middle East for a generation.

    While we should all applaud the removal of a dictator we should do so with the realization that the odds of the Obama Administration producing an outcome superior to that produced by Jimmy Carter in Iran approaches zero.

    As i’ve said many times, no historical analogy is ever exactly right but the parallels developing between the way the Carter administration betrayed the Shah of Iran are chilling.

    Yesterday, administration spokescritter, Joe Gibbs, effectively cut the legs out from under any legitimate use of force Mubarak may use to stay in power:

    Asked Wednesday whether the U.S. still supports Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs reiterated that Egypt remains “a strong ally” and stressed the importance of universal rights for the people of Egypt.

    “This isn’t about support or opposition to leaders – it’s about the support universal rights of assembly and expression. We criticize actions that restrict those values,” Gibbs told ABC News.

    Not to put too fine a point on it, there is no such thing as a universal right to assembly and expression. Even in the United States demonstrations must be orderly and lawful, when demonstrations move beyond those limits they become criminal and can be dispersed by force. Implying that demonstrations are de facto legal has the equal effect of delegitimizing any actions by the regime.

    According other reporting the Administration is prepared to increase pressure on Mubarak to “embrace democratic changes” but:

    Shadi Hamid, an expert on Islamist politics and democratic reform in the Middle East at the Brookings Institution, said the large pro-democracy protests may have broken the “psychological barrier of fear” among Egyptians.

    “The U.S. does not want to see the Egyptian regime fall any time soon,’’ Hamid said in a telephone interview. “But people who are protesting, the tens of thousands, do want to see the regime fall some time soon. They are diametrically opposed interests.”

    Mubarak knows any “democratic change” for him will more closely resemble what happened in Romania in 1989 than what happened in Prague at the same time.

    While the Carter Administration believed for reasons that have never been made clear that it could manage the accession of Ayatollah Khomeini to power, so too the Obama Administration seems to think it has found a working partner in the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Why the Administration believes cavorting with an organization that is both violent and islamist makes sense is as unclear as Carter’s man-crush on Khomeini.

    The Administration clearly feels that it is sympatico with the Muslim Brotherhood. Early in the Administration the man chosen for “muslim outreach” was heavily involved with the Muslim Brotherhood. And Egyptian media has reported that Obama has recently met with Muslim Brotherhood representatives:

    U.S. President Barack Obama met with members of Egypt’s Islamist opposition movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, earlier this year, according to a report in Thursday editions of the Egyptian daily newspaper Almasry Alyoum.

    The newspaper reported that Obama met the group’s members, who reside in the U.S. and Europe, in Washington two months ago.

    All of this gives the impression that the Administration feels as though the Muslim Brotherhood represents the forces of democratic change in Egypt and it is throwing it’s weight behind the islamist movement while simultaneously trying to guarantee a soft landing for President Mubarak.

    One doesn’t need a crystal ball to see how this movie ends. The Muslim Brotherhood is closely aligned with Hamas, another terrorist front organization, and its governing philosophy is anti-semitic and anti-democratic to its very core.

    Under less exigent conditions it would be amusing to watch the most incompetent and least qualified national security team ever try to convince itself that it is able to treat an overtly islamist organization as a partner in democratic action. This is not funny.

    One would think after two years of humiliation and abuse at the hands of every petty dictator on the face of the earth this bunch would have arrived at the logical conclusion that they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. That they would realize that their actions so far looks far more like a high school campaign for homecoming queen than the foreign policy of THE superpower. But introspection and self-awareness requires intelligence and the imbeciles mismanaging our foreign policy are about to consign 82 million people to the perpetual darkness of islamic rule and they think they are being clever.

  150. “One would think after two years of humiliation and abuse at the hands of every petty dictator on the face of the earth this bunch would have arrived at the logical conclusion that they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. That they would realize that their actions so far looks far more like a high school campaign for homecoming queen than the foreign policy of THE superpower. But introspection and self-awareness requires intelligence and the imbeciles mismanaging our foreign policy are about to consign 82 million people to the perpetual darkness of islamic rule and they think they are being clever.”

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    wbboei,

    If that is true and he has earmarked this money for Hezbollah immigration then I am not really surprised. I just have one question?

    I thought Hezbollah was a terrorist group. Who are the “people” who comprise Hezbollah? Lebanese? Iranians?

  151. I meant to address the quote above as well. We can shake our heads about the whys and wherefores, but the fact remains that just like Rasputin, there are those who could care less about what a failure he is and how stupid he is, they still idolize this king’s fool.

    And where the AA’s are concerned, skin color matters most. Superiority over the whiteys matters most.

    Young bots think he is the new Elvis Presley.

  152. Jan–I have no answer. I hope it is not true. When I know more, I will post. Until I see the proof I remain skeptical. You are right however. They are a terrorist group, I think their assets in the United States have been frozen, etc. But with Holder at the helm you have got to wonder. The reason I am skeptical is not that I trust Obama not to do something like this, but because if he did, as much as big media tried to destroy the incriminating evidence–like they got that famous journalist to recant his story that Abercombie said there was not birth certificate to be found, the Republicans and FOX would be trumpeting this act of treason across the airways. On reflection, maybe I do hope it is true, provided–and it is a big proviso, provided it can be stopped. In the meantime Larry Johnson expresses much the same message. At the very least, by raising false expectations of a peace deal, and mixing and mingling with terrorists, Obama has set the stage for a real calamity–sort of like Mr. Magoo–and all to the thunderous applause of big media who dare not tell us what is really happening in the rest of the world which might serve to tarnish the reputation of this great presidential pretender/

  153. Here is Larry Johnson. And by the way he is absolutely right about the Trotskeyite origins of the neo con disease. Another left wing cause that big business found it convenient to shackle itself to for fun and profit.
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    Man, not a good week for Israeli defense planners. On its northern border Hezbollah has taken control of the Government of Lebanon. And to the southwest? Egypt appears to be on the verge of coming apart. If that’s the case grab your bag of coal and head to Israel. You will at least be able to make a pile of diamonds. How? Shove a lump of coal in an Israelis’ backend and the heightened pucker factor will produce a diamond in short order.

    The fall of Arab tyrants around the rim of the Mediterranean started in Tunisia and is spreading like a Hollywood version of the Ebola virus. This is reminiscent of the days before the Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979 and the fall of the Shah. I remember vividly making the stupid observation at the time (I had just started a Ph.D. program at the American University) that it was okay to let the Shah of Iran be deposed. How much worse could it get?

    Well boys and girls, it can get a lot worse. Which brings me to the Carteresque response of the Obama Administration . During his State of the Union last night Obama stated:

    “The United States of America stands with the people of Tunisia and supports the democratic aspirations of all people,” Obama said.

    Obama is not the first to promote such nonsense. I have not forgotten the neo-Con dream that deposing Saddam would usher in an era of democracy and peace in the Middle East. How’s that working out? We have installed Iran as the defacto ruler of Iraq.

    Pat Lang, one of the best analysts and observers of the Middle East ever produced in America notes at his blog:

    The president implied in his speech last night that we Americans will back revolution everywhere. We have done this kind of thing before; Hungary – 1956, Cuba – at the Bay of Pigs, Czechoslovakia – 1968, The Iraqi Shia at the end of the Gulf War I could go on…. We seem to believe that “American Exceptionalism” makes us the “uber nanny” of the world. The March 14 Coalition in Lebanon fell apart under the pressure of what was and is largely US insistence on the STL process. Now the US government is calling the formation of a new parliamentaty coalition a “coup.” What kind of childish pique and nonsense is that?

    The neocon creed calls for revolution everywhere. This is a reflection of the Troskyist origins of the movement. The US ended by backing Khomeini’s revolution in Iran against the Pahlevis. Are we happy with the results of the “master stroke? The US is seeking what amounts to revolution in Iraq and Afghanistan. Are we happy with what we are creating? People comment here that the neocon influence in Washington is ended. What a joke!

    Childish. Childish. We are unfit for a world in which real revolution results in unforeseeable consequences.

    The French Revolution gave the world The Terror and then Bonaparte. Was that so wonderful? pl

    (If you are not a regular you should read Pat’s Sic Semper Tyrannis).

    Pat has it right. Instead of encouraging in public the protests we ought to keep our mouths shut tight. There is not a great reservoir of western democracy in Egypt waiting to take over. The most likely replacement to the Mubarak regime is some version of the Muslim Brothers, which is one of the spiritual foundations for Osama Bin Laden and his deputy, Dr. Zawahiri, who was born and raised and educated in Egypt.

    Want further proof that the Obama team doesn’t get it?

    Asked Wednesday whether the U.S. still supports Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs reiterated that Egypt remains “a strong ally” and stressed the importance of universal rights for the people of Egypt.

    “This isn’t about support or opposition to leaders – it’s about the support universal rights of assembly and expression. We criticize actions that restrict those values,” Gibbs told ABC News.

    Gibbs said that the White House is “still monitoring the situation” in Egypt, where Mubarak is the target of protesters opposing his authoritarian government.

    It is a good thing that Iran’s nuclear program is stalled and going nowhere fast. Israel’s immediate neighbors will provide more challenging and immediate threats. This has the potential to move quickly and in a very dangerous direction.

    It was the naive idealism of Jimmy Cater that paved the way for the fall of the Shah and the rise of the Ayatollah. What irony that we celebrated last Friday the release of the US hostages who were captured in November 1979 when the US Embassy in Tehran was overrun. President Obama and Secretary Clinton have their hands full. Stay tuned.

  154. “I thought Hezbollah was a terrorist group. Who are the “people” who comprise Hezbollah? Lebanese? Iranians?”
    ____________

    Horowitz started the rumor years ago.It was a ploy to castigate Hillary as part of a scheme with Soros to start funding terroist groups in an attempt to scuttle her propects of running in 08’/

    Too bad Horowitz didn’t rub his crystal ball and see he is walking around all wet and what he needs is a towel before he catches cold.

  155. Amen. . . . but remember there is a method to their madness, and it emanates from the multi national corporation that own big media. Follow the money . . . and then you can in good conscience disregard whatever they say. Bias, motive, interest.
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    Birthers! Truthers! Mama Grizzlies! Tea Partiers!
    By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on January 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM in 9/11, Censorship, Crime, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Death Threats, Gun Control, Huffington Post, Media Bias, Media Handling of Story, New York Times, Obama’s Thugs, Sarah Palin, Satire, Washington Post

    (Or the more offensive, homophobic term for Tea Partiers.) Crosshairs! Targets!

    The list could go on of the labels attached to groups of people or concepts by the media when they want to discount, demean, belittle, discourage discussion, demonize a group, or frame the issue how they want it to be, rather than how it is.

    We saw this just recently with pundits rushing to frame the Tucson shootings as ratcheted up Republican rhetoric – falsely, as the facts later showed – from big time sources like the NY Times (Paul Krugman), Huffington Post (Arianna herself), DailyKos, and on and on. The shooting of Rep. Giffords and the other 18 victims was immediately put in the context of Republican political rhetoric being to blame for the actions of the shooter within a few hours of the event. Now, even though this meme has been proven wrong, pundits continue to say things like, “rightly or wrongly, the issue of civility is now front and center.” Well, it is WRONGLY, but every time they mention it, they continue to perpetuate this false meme. Civility had nothing to do with it at all, but now, whenever this issue comes up, like Pavlov and his dogs, that is what we think.

    This ratchet response, ingrained in us by the media, is coming up again this week in terms of Obama’s birth certificate. A couple of articles have surfaced in which the Governor of Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie, in an attempt to dispel once and for all the allegations that Obama is not a natural born citizen, was unable to find his birth certificate. Oops. Apparently, there is a notation of Obama’s birth, but no long form has surfaced.

    Additionally, a former Hawaii elections official, Tim Adams, has sworn, under oath, that neither hospital in Honolulu has a record of Obama’s birth. He doesn’t stop there – he goes on to say he was told there was no long form, and also to stop mucking around in this issue.

    I am not getting into whether or not Obama is, or is not, a natural born citizen. That is not the point here. Check your response to what I wrote. Even bringing up this issue, no matter how or what has been discovered, is generally discounted as a crazy conspiracy theory, and that it is CRAZY to even mention it.

    And that is because that is what we have been told by the media to think (pant, pant, pany, as Pavlov’s dog would do). The mere mention of Obama’s birth certificate brings derision and scorn upon whomever has the temerity to mention it. For the first time, for as long as I can remember, a presidential candidate was not required to present this document, one routinely required for a number of less important jobs. Yet requesting this one piece of paper has created a maelstrom of gigantic proportions.

    We all know that by the mere fact of requesting this document, the requester is crazy. The media told us so. So, there.

    Just like they told us Hillary was a cold, heartless Iron Bitch.

    Just like they told us Sarah Palin was at the root of the Tucson shootings, or is a crazy “Mama Grizzly,” or that she could see Russia from her house (i.e., she’s stupid, got it? C’mon, only a MO-RON would think something like that. Never mind she never said it. Picky, picky.).

    Just like they told us Tea Partiers are a bunch of racist yahoos (someone might want to tell Representatives Tim Scott and Col. Allen West that they are racists for belonging to the Tea Party. Ahem.).

    I am sure you get the idea. The media is not reporting the news, they are shaping what they want people to believe. Even now, CNN and MSNBC continue to perpetuate this whole civility/Republican rhetoric meme for the Tucson shootings, regardless of the facts. That is not news – that is propaganda.

    We learned of the JournoListers coordinating efforts to advance Obama’s candidacy for president, keeping important stories that might impact his chances out of their respective mediums. That was behind closed doors.

    But now, media personalities are getting more blatant about it. Just recently, the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank calls out for a “Palin-Free February.” Yes, he has put a call out to his fellow commentators to not write or talk about Sarah Palin at all in the month of February.

    Now, what kind of responsible journalist, or commentator, for that matter, would even consider such an action, except to continue to shape opinion about this figure? In his article (which you can read if you really want to give him the traffic), he makes some other (predictable) snide comments about Sarah Palin. That is the meme, after all – she is to be derided, demeaned, and ridiculed at every step, dontcha know, lest anyone start to take her seriously as a potential candidate. We cannot have THAT, after all. Rather than straight reporting, or basing commentary on, oh, I don’t know, let’s say, FACTS, now we just make shit up as if the person said or did it, then attack him/her for it mercilessly until the person become a mere caricature, and should anyone else still actually like them, they are nothing but a bunch of ignorant gun-totin’ hayseeds who likely don’t have a row to hoe anyway, so who cares what they think? Stupid heads.

    And that is where our media is today. They set up these ratchet responses to labels, and dare anyone to stray from their definition or their insistence on who/what those labels represent, tearing down anyone who is foolish enough to disagree. They attack, deride, persecute until the person breaks, then respond with a, “see?? We TOLD you they were x, y, z…” They create the meme, then do everything in their power to make it true.

    So, I reckon since I mentioned the whole Obama Birth Certificate thing now, no matter what I did or did not say, I will, forever after, be labeled a Birther. So, what the hell – for good measure, the government carried out 9/11!!! They did! There is no evidence of a plane at the Pentagon! Tea Party members are racist America-haters! Sarah Palin is personally responsible for the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, and should be thrown in jail immediately!!! (Snark, snark, snark – just in case that was not abundantly clear.)

    Hey, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em, right? Wrong. We must stop this insanity with our media. When (formerly) great newspapers like the Washington Post and the New York Times become rumor-mongering rags, we are in serious trouble. Legitimate questions deserve legitimate answers, not derision. Serious investigative journalism must be restored to our media outlets, not regurgitating press releases from this or that party. Rather than allowing loud-mouthed pundits to determine the news, how about having some actual journalists (if you can still find them) to report the news, rather than craft the news? We must stop allowing them to silence us if we do not agree with their manufactured outrage and meme.

    Just a thought. But hey, I am just a Birther/Truther/Tea Partier/Mama Grizzly Wannabe/Crosshair Target-er. So what do I know?!

  156. Judge Burke. What can I possibly say. Who is she? A judge on the Illinois Supreme Court. Who is her hubby? A public supporter of Rahm’s political opponent. Why is that material? Because she is part of the judicial body who will decide the fate of Pharoah Ramadan’s motion to enjoin the Chicago Board of Elections from excluding his name of the ballot for mayor. Some shit disturbers have asked that she recuse herself. And what is Judge Burke’s response? A woman can think for herself and will not be influenced by what her husband does or thinks. . . I agree . . . but what about this?

    C. Disqualification.

    (1) A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in a proceeding
    in which the judge’s impartiality might reasonably be
    questioned, including but not limited to instances where:

    (d) the judge knows that he or she, individually or as a
    fiduciary, or the judge’s spouse, parent or child
    wherever residing, or any other member of the judge’s
    family residing in the judge’s household, has an
    economic interest in the subject matter in controversy or
    in a party to the proceeding, or has any other more than
    de minimis interest that could be substantially affected
    by the proceeding; or

    (e) the judge or the judge’s spouse, or a person within
    the third degree of relationship to either of them, or the
    spouse of such a person;

    (iii) is known by the judge to have a more than de
    minimis interest that could be substantially
    affected by the proceeding; or

  157. “Horowitz started the rumor years ago.It was a ploy to castigate Hillary as part of a scheme with Soros to start funding terroist groups in an attempt to scuttle her propects of running in 08′”

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    Thanks Mrs. Smith. I thought I was losing it for a minute.

  158. Erekat: ‘Obama has no credibility in the Middle East’

    By HERB KEINON
    01/27/2011

    US President Barack Obama has lost all credibility in the Middle East, PA negotiator Saeb Erekat told US envoy George Mitchell in October 2009, according to leaked Palestinian documents released by Al-Jazeera and the Guardian Wednesday night.

    In an apparently heated exchange with Mitchell about a settlement freeze, Erekat said he would not be able to convince the Palestinians to negotiate without a full settlement freeze.

    It’s not up to me to decide your credibility in the Middle East,” Erekat said. “He [Obama] has lost it throughout the region.

    When he got the Nobel Peace Prize, I was asked about it in the media and publicly congratulated him. I was attacked for it in the Arab media – just for congratulating like I would congratulate anyone who wins a prize… Believe me, there is no president in the Middle East who wants to help Obama as much as AM [PA President Mahmoud Abbas].”

    Mitchell argued with Erekat that the Palestinians negotiated without a full freeze in the past. “Now with the first president who wants to make an effort – he’s being penalized by you,” Mitchell said.

    To which Erekat replied, “Not me. He has [Prime Minister Binyamin] Netanyahu. He came to Cairo and said, ‘full freeze.’ We will not convert to Judaism, so if Netanyahu’s charade of two states is followed, it’s going to be one state.”

    Later in the meeting, Erekat said that “people in the Middle East are not taking Barack Obama seriously. They feared Bush, despite everything. This is important. BO [Obama] has lost it with the decision-makers, although not the street.”

    In another meeting that month, Mitchell said Obama was “completely committed to achieving the objective you want.”

    “President Obama is not like previous administrations. In US politics, there never was and there never will be a president as determined to resolve this conflict,” Mitchell said. “So you can argue over words and delay indefinitely, so you lose the most important thing – this opportunity: the presence of a US president completely committed to achieving the objective you want.”

    After Erekat warned that this was a final opportunity for a two-state solution and that the best alternative to a negotiated settlement is a binational state, Mitchell replied, “That is your decision. But the fact is that you have a president committed to this issue. All that points to the need to begin negotiations as fast as possible.”

    “We won’t have a perfect ToR [terms of reference], or perfect negotiations, or a perfect outcome. That’s life. I understand the frustration and the burden of history, but please, don’t let this opportunity slip by,” Mitchell said.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=205392

  159. CHICAGO – Illinois’ highest court put Rahm Emanuel back in the race for Chicago mayor Thursday, three days after a lower court threw the former White House chief of staff off the ballot because he had not lived in the city for a full year.

    The state Supreme Court ruled unanimously in Emanuel’s favor, saying an appeals court decision that said the candidate needed to be physically present in Chicago was “without any foundation in Illinois law.”

    “As I said from the beginning, I think the voters deserve the right to make the choice of who should be mayor,” Emanuel said shortly after getting word of the high court’s action. “I’m not quite sure emotionally where I’m at.

    “I’m relieved for the city. I’m relieved for the voters because they need the certainty that’s important for them.”

    Emanuel lived for nearly two years in Washington working for President Barack Obama. He moved back to Chicago in October, after Mayor Richard M. Daley announced he would not seek another term.

    When he learned of Thursday’s ruling, Emanuel said he immediately called his wife and took a congratulatory call from his old boss, the president.

    Political observers said the ruling resurrecting Emanuel’s candidacy would probably give him added momentum heading into the last month of the campaign.

    Don Rose, a longtime analyst of Chicago politics, said he thought the saga brought would bring Emanuel “even greater sympathy” and could lift him to victory.

    “It’s over,” Rose said. “The only open question is whether he wins it in the first round or whether there’s a runoff.”

    But the other contenders in the race did not give any ground.

    “Game on,” said Gery Chico, the city’s former school board president and one of Emanuel’s more prominent rivals. He complained that the recent “drama” surrounding Emanuel had “made this election into a circus instead of a serious debate about the future of Chicago.”

    A spokeswoman for former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun said she respected the court’s decision.

    “We will go forward, taking our message to the people of Chicago, (and) we intend to win this election,” Renee Ferguson said.

    Emanuel never stopped campaigning as the case unfolded. Within minutes of the ruling, he was at a downtown transit station shaking hands. He was scheduled to participate in televised debate later Thursday evening.

    The former White House aide has said he always intended to return to Chicago.

    In their appeal to the Supreme Court, Emanuel’s attorneys called the appellate court decision “one of the most far-reaching election law rulings” ever issued in Illinois, not only because of its effect on the mayoral race but for “the unprecedented restriction” it puts on future candidates.

    His lawyers raised several points, including that the appeals court applied a stricter definition of residency than the one used for voters. They said Illinois courts have never required candidates to be physically present in the state to seek office there.

    Monday’s surprise ruling threw the mayoral race and Emanuel’s campaign into disarray. The following day, the state Supreme Court ordered Chicago elections officials to stop printing ballots without Emanuel’s name on them.

    Chicago election officials said they had printed nearly 300,000 ballots without Emanuel’s name before they abruptly stopped.

    Emanuel had been the heavy favorite to lead the nation’s third-largest city, and he raised more money than any other candidate vying to replace Daley, who is retiring after more than two decades as mayor.

    When Emanuel’s candidacy appeared in doubt, the other main candidates in the race moved quickly to try to win over his supporters.

    The residency questions have dogged Emanuel ever since he announced his bid. He tried to move back into his house when he returned to Chicago, but the family renting it wanted $100,000 to move out early.

    The tenant, businessman Rob Halpin, later filed paperwork to run for mayor against Emanuel, only to withdraw from the race a short time later.

    The elections board and a Cook County judge had previously ruled in favor of Emanuel, a former congressman, saying he did not abandon his Chicago residency when he went to work at the White House.

    The Supreme Court took special note of Emanuel’s testimony before the election board in which he listed all the personal items he left in the house in Chicago when he moved to Washington — including his wife’s wedding dress, photographs of his children and clothes they wore as newborns, as well as items belonging to his grandfather.

    The board “determined that, in this situation, the rental did not show abandonment of the residence,” the court wrote. “This conclusion was well supported by the evidence and was not clearly erroneous.”

    More than two dozen people testified on the residency issue at an election board hearing in December. The three-day hearing got progressively stranger as attorneys gave way to Chicago residents who filed objections to the candidacy, including one man who asked Emanuel if he caused the 1993 siege at Waco, Texas.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_chicago_mayor

  160. Dead birds and black helicopter:

    For this many birds to have died from hitting a helicopter or even an airplane, the aircraft would have been damaged and may even have come down. We would have heard about that, so I ruled that out.

  161. Don’t attack me, I’m just the messenger here (LOL):

    FORT JACKSON, S.C. – First lady Michelle Obama said Thursday that the military’s push to turn recruits into health-conscious warriors could be a model for making people across the U.S. more focused on fitness and nutrition.

    Obama, who has made battling childhood obesity one of her signature causes as first lady, visited the Army’s largest training post at Fort Jackson outside Columbia to see what the Army has done, from more rigorous training drills to fat-free milk in its mess halls.

    She told Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, who has worked to overhaul both the soldiers’ diets and exercise programs, that she was fascinated by the project.

    A lack of fitness is “not just a health issue but a national security issue,” she said, and the military’s health initiatives could be a model for youngsters elsewhere.

    “A lot of young people around the country could use the same kind of support,” she said.

    Hertling gave the first lady a military-style briefing, accompanied by colorful slides beamed on three large screens hung on the walls, that detailed how the nation’s obesity problems create problems for the Army.

    Kids are spending too much time in front of TV and computer screens, not getting enough exercise and drinking too many sugary soft drinks, Hertling said. He said that makes their bones too fragile for military lifestyles.

    New soldiers are given exercises for core body strength and stamina. Obama got to see the green salads, fruit and nuts offered in one of the chow lines at the post and chatted with drill sergeants about the challenges of getting recruits into shape.

    The first lady sat with a half-dozen senior trainers, asking them how they dealt with a generation more adept at video games than sports or playground games.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110127/ap_on_re_us/us_michelle_obama_army

  162. I don’t have a problem with meme pushing for better health. I do have a problem with her deciding that this is her cause and therefore everyone must embrace it.

    This is a cause that has been around for a long time. Many before her have championed it. She should not believe that she has done something magnificent and totally innovative. And yet the media is acting as if none of us have ever heard of nutrition for ourselves, our families, and our friends and coworkers.

    If this is what she wants her future legacy to be, then I think she should forget it. What about caring about children in third world countries? What about caring about poverty in America?

    Hillary has done all that and much more.

  163. Good points all, JanH!
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    BigCatLover
    January 27th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Thanks, Big Cat.

  164. Looky here! The rethugs are salivating at canceling Social Security and the media and Obama is going to get it done…just watch…this is what Obama was hired for! GWB was hired to spend, spend spend, then Obama to get rid of SS. Hillary wouldn’t play ball and thats why she’s not Potus…he WILL get a second term…just watch!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_social_security;_ylt=AivWdXDSGi3GP5UhQs2rCnhH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTMwNTNhc2NoBGFzc2V0Ay9zL2FwL3VzX3NvY2lhbF9zZWN1cml0eQRjY29kZQNtcF9lY184XzEwBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNwRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3NvY2lhbHNlY3VyaQ–

  165. he WILL get a second term…just watch!

    No. I refuse. I’m going to close my eyes and keep them shut!

    (Geez, I really hope Hillary doesn’t make us suffer with him for another term….)

  166. Jan, I wouldn’t be surprised if she drops it. Remember, her “cause” was going to be soldiers? Then she never did anything, except visit 2-3 bases somewhere near D.C.

  167. wbb

    I can’t be any more clear with my message, even if I could say it in Latin or Chinese.

    If the movie is good, I hope you see it and maybe you will understand what I am trying to say.

    …….moving on from that discussion.
    ——————————-
    Shadow. I dont need to see it. I lived through it–in a state of anguish/ I saw the most qualified candidate in the field, a candidate who experts now concede won 24 of the 26 debates, but in the moment big media pronounced his rambling James Joyce vomit to be the victor every fucking time, and I have a list which I can provide here and now if you want of the sexist bestial comments made by Matthers inter alia–remember maybe you dont some here do I wrote a 50 page paper on the subject detailing the whole goddamned thing. One chapter is all about sexism. Yea Hillary got screwed, we got screwed but most of all the country got screwed by what happened. As a country we would not be in the debacle we are in now if Hillary were President. That does not mean she is infallible or perfect. It simlply means that she was and is orders of magnitude better than Obama and that is the only way to look at it. But our views got submerged in a tidal wave of hopium that consumed the electorate at a vulnerable moment. At the end of the day, why would anyone hate Obama? He cannot help himself. He is what he has always been a liar, a cheat and a bamboozler with no clue how to govern. I say blame the culpable parties–Imelt, Soros and the editors of big media who created this web of deception. Hardy said it best:

    As flies to wanton boys
    Are we to gods
    They kill us for their sport

  168. Confloyd: “…he WILL get a second term…just watch!”

    It feels that hopeless sometimes doesn’t it? How long can an army stay in winter quarters before they freeze to death?

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we had President Clinton and Grandma Hillary at the same time.

  169. Potus…he WILL get a second term…just watch!
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    Confloyd–take a leaf from what Jay Cost said: it depends on jobs, the deficit and health care. If the Republicans let him have a second term, they should pack up their bags and go home. They have before them an ocean full of impeachment material. If they do not use it to their own tactical advantage I shudder because the country will not tolerate a second term by this bamboozler—not for all the tea in China (now US debt) or all the wet dreams of Jeff Immelt. In a rational world he is conflicted out of being the top economic advisor. Conflict of interest–get it Obama?

  170. Confloyd if Barry destroys SS and the obots don’t retaliate with sharp pitchforks or Hillary doesn’t jump into the race, I am moving out of the country. The place will be like living in Hell.

    He will not win a second term unless the Rethugs run a crazed right winger, or no one of honor like our girl runs.

  171. Southern Born,
    I can tell you I think this was the plan all along and they knew they had to get the AA’s away from the Clinton’s to beat and the bamboozler did it. Well when he takes their SS check I wonder what they’ll say then??? It’s going to happen.
    This is why I’m losing weight….working out and getting in the best shape possible to keep working. I praise God everyday that I have this job. It’s a wonderful place to work….The people here are the salt of the earth.

  172. The folks that have jobs are going to have to take care of their families because there will be no safety net….just like a third world country and that’s what the rethugs have always wanted.

    They knew they had to get the Clinton’s out because they are the only ones who care about us commoners.

    Whoever it was that brought to my attention my own misogny against Pelosi, Claire and the rest of the Hillary haters, I want to thank you….because if we’re ever to beat misogny…it starts with you first (me)/(you)! We can’t preach against it while we all are doing it…don’t work that way!

  173. Confloyd, I kinda think you are right. Can they start giving out Pigford settlements for other reasons?

    Glad you have a job that you like and a good one. I think even those like you and those who have a good retirement feel on edge all the time.

    Can you ever think of an extended time in our lives that we’ve felt so concerned for our futures and that of our country?

    Hang in there, girl. I wish I’d lost a bunch of weight. Good for you. Getting healthy is always good.

  174. lorac
    January 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

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    Gosh I hope you are right. And I hope she stops it before she bankrupts the country even more.

  175. Whoever it was that brought to my attention my own misogny against Pelosi, Claire and the rest of the Hillary haters, I want to thank you….because if we’re ever to beat misogny…it starts with you first (me)/(you)! We can’t preach against it while we all are doing it…don’t work that way!
    ————————————
    Are you saying it is sexist to attack them because they are women. Is gender an affirmative defense? Judge Burke thinks so, evidently. But if that if the case, then why object when someone else claims it is racist to attack Obama–just because he happens to be destroying the country/

  176. Was it sexist for McCaskill to put her arm around Obama after she had thrown her support behind him and disparaged Bill Clinton– I would not let my daughters around him was what she said. Or was it sexist for Obama to remove her arm when she wrapped it around his neck? Discrimination so subtle is a fear beyond the compass of ordinary minds–Cardozo.

  177. The old Obama in new clothing

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, January 28, 2011

    The November election sent a clear message to Washington: less government, less debt, less spending. President Obama certainly heard it, but judging from his State of the Union address, he doesn’t believe a word of it. The people say they want cuts? Sure they do – in the abstract. But any party that actually dares carry them out will be punished severely. On that, Obama stakes his reelection.

    No other conclusion can be drawn from a speech that didn’t even address the debt issue until 35 minutes in. And then what did he offer? A freeze on domestic discretionary spending that he himself admitted would affect a mere one-eighth of the budget.

    Obama seemed impressed, however, that it would produce $400 billion in savings over 10 years. That’s an average of $40 billion a year. The deficit for last year alone was more than 30 times as much. And total federal spending was more than 85 times that amount. A $40 billion annual savings for a government that just racked up $3 trillion in new debt over the past two years is deeply unserious. It’s spillage, a rounding error.

    As for entitlements, which are where the real money is, Obama said practically nothing. He is happy to discuss, but if Republicans dare take anything from granny, he shall be Horatius at the bridge.

    This entire pantomime about debt reduction came after the first half of a speech devoted to, yes, new spending. One almost has to admire Obama’s defiance. His 2009 stimulus and budget-busting health-care reform are precisely what stirred the popular revolt that delivered his November shellacking. And yet he’s back for more.

    It’s as if Obama is daring the voters – and the Republicans – to prove they really want smaller government. He’s manning the barricades for Obamacare, and he’s here with yet another spending – excuse me, investment – spree. To face down those overachieving Asians, Obama wants to sink yet more monies into yet more road and bridge repair, more federally subsidized teachers – with a bit of high-speed rail tossed in for style. That will show the Chinese.

    And of course, once again, there is the magic lure of a green economy created by the brilliance of Washington experts and politicians. This is to be our “Sputnik moment,” when the fear of the foreigner spurs us to innovation and greatness of the kind that yielded NASA and the moon landing.

    Apart from the irony of this appeal being made by the very president who has just killed NASA’s manned space program, there is the fact that for three decades, since Jimmy Carter’s synfuel fantasy, Washington has poured billions of taxpayer dollars down a rat hole in vain pursuit of economically competitive renewable energy.

    This is nothing but a retread of what used to be called industrial policy – government picking winners and losers. Except that in a field that is not nearly technologically ready to match fossil fuels, we pick one loser after another – from ethanol, a $6 billion boondoggle that even Al Gore admits was a mistake, to the $41,000 Chevy Volt that only the rich can afford (with their extended Bush tax cuts, of course).

    Perhaps this is all to be expected from Democrats – the party of government – and from a president who from his very first address to Congress has boldly displayed his zeal to fundamentally transform the American social contract and place it on a “New Foundation” (an Obama slogan that never took). He’s been chastened enough by the election of 2010 to make gestures toward the center. But the State of the Union address revealed a man ideologically unbowed and undeterred. He served up an insignificant spending cut, yet another (if more modest) stimulus, and a promise to fight any Republican attempt to significantly shrink the size of government.

    Indeed, he went beyond this. He tried to cast this more-of-the-same into a call to national greatness, citing two Michigan brothers who produce solar shingles as a stirring example of rising to the Sputnik moment.

    “We do big things,” Obama declared at the end of an address that was, on the contrary, the finest example of small-ball Clintonian minimalism since the days of school uniforms and midnight basketball.

    From the moon landing to solar shingles. Is there a better example of American decline?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/27/AR2011012705928.html

  178. JanH,
    No not really, achey all over and tired, and everyone and their dog is sick…its very busy. I am glad I have a job though, so I’ll get thru it. LOL!

    SouthernBorn, I think the whole Earth is on edge, from Egypt to America….it’s bad all over and the only folks that are happy are those bankers and the mega rich. No I have never been so scared of what might happen in my lifetime….

    Wbboei,
    All I can say is the “golden rule”…one I think Mrs. Clinton lives by…I think thats how she is remaining sane after all these years of attacks…well I just decided that I wasn’t going to partake in any more misogny even if its against those I don’t politically agree with. You will notice that is how Ms. Hillary handles it. She always says “you know I think he/she is a wonderful person, but we have different political views”. I’ve heard her say this MANY times. So she is my LEADER and that’s what I’m going to try and do….I might not always be successful, but I’m going to try.

  179. If this isn’t terrifying, I don’t know what is…

    Police: Florida boy drops loaded handgun inside pre-kindergarten class

    By Greg Botelho
    January 27, 2011

    (CNN) — Florida police are trying to figure out how a 5-year-old boy came into possession of a loaded handgun that he dropped inside a pre-kindergarten class.

    A female pre-kindergarten teacher at Moseley Elementary School in Palatka was giving a music lesson Tuesday morning when she noticed the small, .22-caliber handgun fall out of the boy’s pocket, Assistant Police Chief James Griffith said. The firearm did not go off, and no one was hurt.

    But the boy, along with the gun, were promptly brought to school administrators. They alerted school security and police at 9:25 a.m., having determined that there was no immediate danger to the school, which is in Palatka in northeastern Florida.

    “The boy is both initially a suspect in this thing, but also a victim,” said Griffith. “This is very rare.”

    The boy told authorities that he found the firearm inside the vehicle that he had come to school in — one which Griffith said belonged to the youngster’s stepfather. Neither the boy or stepfather have been named, the assistant chief said, in order to protect the identity of the child, who is a minor.

    Police say they have no indication that the boy made any threats or showed the weapon to anyone during his 30 to 45 minutes in school before the incident.

    “There was nothing that transpired, as far as threats, showing the weapon off, anything like that,” Griffith said. “At this point, we are trying to determine where the child got the gun from, and if any adult was negligent in allowing him to gain access (to it).”

    The student was immediately suspended and barred from coming on school grounds pending the outcome of the investigation, while the state’s Department of Children and Families is also looking into the case.

    Putnam County Schools Superintendent Tom Townsend told CNN affiliate WJXT that the problem extends well beyond the youngster.

    “This isn’t the fault of the 5-year-old,” Townsend said. “Someone is responsible for leaving a gun where a 5-year-old can access it, and that’s a tragedy and it’s inexcusable.”

    The police investigation could take “anywhere from weeks to months,” the assistant chief said, while authorities look at evidence and conduct interviews. The boy’s youth isn’t much of a complicating factor, with Griffith saying that he “seems intelligent (and is) able to communicate well.”

    “You’re trying to verify their version of what occurred,” Griffith said of the child and others central to the case. “Do we have any witnesses to back up what they’re saying, those types of things.”

    While authorities are investigating the case as a serious matter, they’re also thankful that it did not turn out worse.

    “That’s what you always worry about, when a child gets their hand on a gun and its loaded,” Griffith said. “The chances of an accidental discharge and someone getting shot by accident — it’s not good.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/27/florida.child.gun/index.html?hpt=T2

  180. Okay, let’s see if I can apply that, Ccnfloyd.

    Gulp! Clarie McCaskill is my senator and a wonderful person, but we just have different political views. Gasp, gasp! Choke! GAG! Can someone call 911 for me!!

  181. Southern Born,
    ROTFLMAO! It’s going to be hard!!!! I know I personally love all our Claire and Nancy jokes, whatever are we going to talk about on here…of coarse..you’ll notice I did not extend that “golden rule” to Obama…it’s open season on him! LOL!

  182. JanH,
    Thanks! I think I just need some rest…I have been remodeling my own kitchen. I tore out the floor tile Tuesday…that is some back breaking work…then I don’t miss a single workout which is also exhausting. I go to work and it is crazy. I just need a rest.

    I will having a short vacation week after next…I am going to Sugarland for a couple of days…going to see a friends house! I hope to get some rest then!

  183. oh give me a break…

    americanglob.com/2011/01/27/propaganda-reagan-and-obama-on-the-cover-of-time/

    Why Obama hearts Reagan…with Reagan hugging a big grinning Obama on the cover of
    TIME mag

  184. I don’t think it is sexist to criticize a woman (or a man) – UNLESS it is BECAUSE of their gender.. because of some assumed genetic factor that the sexist person thinks all women possess…. then uses a broad (negative) brush….

    From dictionary.com

    sex·ism   /ˈsɛksɪzəm/ Show Spelled
    [sek-siz-uhm] Show IPA

    –noun
    1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
    2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person’s sex, as in restricted job opportunities; esp., such discrimination directed against women.

  185. The GOP isn’t against socialism, they just want to mix it in with their business’s so they can be on the government take too while giving less care to the people that need it the most! You betcha!

    Tweety giving Bachman a hard time…makes me like her more!

  186. 2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person’s sex

    ========================

    As in paying more attention to their hairstyle, wrinkles, voice, and clothing than to a man’s. Especially cheap insults to their appearance.

  187. two Michigan brothers who produce solar shingles

    =====================

    Good for them. The moon landing got us nothing but teflon. Solar shingles will be really useful, longterm.

  188. Southern Born,
    Now misogny doesn’t include men does it…I thought it was strictly a woman thing…its open season on the men and especially those in the News Business, LOL!

  189. Dead birds and black helicopter:

    For this many birds to have died from hitting a helicopter or even an airplane, the aircraft would have been damaged and may even have come down. We would have heard about that, so I ruled that out.

    ===========================

    Well, you know, it came down at night and it was black so no one could see it. Then all of Soros men in black capes surrounded it and wouldn’t let anyone hear about it.

  190. I bet old Tweety has “chicken legs” huh??? Wasn’t he the one always talking about Hillary’s ankles??? LOL!

  191. Ok what going on here?? Have we all gone nutz or what…Soro’s men in black capes???? Conspiracy, my favorite topic!

  192. Chicago election officials said they had printed nearly 300,000 ballots without Emanuel’s name before they abruptly stopped.

    ——————

    What bets those ballots accidentally get used and counted, then burned, after the votes are recorded, before anyone notices….

  193. Time magazine cover is horrid….I almost puked! Maybe Ronnie Raygun is the daddy, but then who’s the mamma…Oprah?

  194. Okay, let’s see if I got the story straight.

    Chicken Legs Matthew inadvertantly exposed his “legs”, it scared the crap outta the red wing blackbirds around Beebe. In their stampede to escape that terrifying sight, they flew straight into that new black Chinese stealth plane that George Soros has assured Hu would be just fine to test fly over rural Arkansas. Then the black capes appeared and camoed the whole thing and got the media to say that those silly birds fall out of the sky all the time down there, it’s normal…move along folks, nothing to see here.

  195. Ew-w-w-, Confloyd, why’d you have to go and put that vision in my head of Reagan and Oprah together just as I’m headed for bed and obviously nightmares!

  196. Reagan was a wonderful person, I just had different political views. Oprah is a wonderful person, we just have different political views.

  197. Gulp! Clarie McCaskill is my senator and a wonderful person, but we just have different political views.

    =========================

    I don’t think we have to go THAT far. 😉 She’s a dumb backstabber and … that’s enough.

  198. so obvious that O is trying to morph into Reagan to hijack the independents and bring back the moderate repubs that put him in office…

    suddenly O is all optimistic and its ‘morning in america’…also O is positioning himself to have some of that Reagan love for Reagan’s birthday (2-6) to wear off on him…

    when i think of the arguements/debates i had with so called “progressives” trying to convince them that this guy was a fraud and now he is blatantly trying to morph into Reagan it is mind blowing…

  199. Has any other president ever been so “fuzzy”, at least as seen by the pundits and the masses? It blows me away how many on the left says he’s too much of a righty, and the right says he’s so far left he’s socialist (even though his health care is a huge giveaway to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries). Personally, I doubt he has many convictions, and it seems to me that he’s done both “left” and “right” things – but each side cherry picks, and no one presents the whole picture. I admit I always just voted straight dem and never paid much attention until Hillary, but I just don’t remember anyone whom the right could call a socialist but the left could call conservative…

  200. Your right, but I think calling Pelosi….Botox Nan is definitely sexist, don’t you think? Calling Palin Carabou Barbie is too and so is calling Hillary Hildebeast! Those are things we need to stop
    —————————
    Then by all means stop doing it.

  201. OT … rotfl….

    I think something is melting, melting….

    Hawaii bill would charge $100 for Obama birth info

    HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii’s government would charge $100 for a copy of President Barack Obama’s birth records under a bill introduced in the state Legislature by five Democrats. The bill would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records unless the requester is someone with a tangible interest, such as a close family member or a court.

    The measure hasn’t been scheduled for a public hearing, a required step before it can move forward. A decision on considering the bill will be made by the House’s Democratic leadership and committee chairmen.

    The idea behind the measure is to end skepticism over Obama’s birthplace while raising a little money for a government with a projected budget deficit exceeding $800 million over the next two years.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jqC7NMHrnd8HKTZmR0uF3QL7CY0g?docId=2bcdbd1b837248abbe56195ce8b4dd55

    The Emperor has said once too often that of course he has some long clothes somewhere. Now people in Hawail are starting to believe him.

    First Abercrombie says sensibly enough, okay, let’s find the long form and show it to the judge and stop this question. Nix.

    Now the legislature says, let’s charge money for it!

  202. Confloyd: here is part of what I wrote in the summer of 2008 about this entire subject:

    6. Discrimination Based On Gender: During the 2008 Democratic Primary Big Media set out to destroy Hillary Clinton both as a candidate and as a person. The second step in their strategy was to dismiss the historic nature of her candidacy and engage in a pattern and practice of sexism against her. They conspired with the Obama campaign and DNC to do so.

    a. sexist attacks: From 2007 to early 2008 MSNBC pundit Chris Matthews launched a steady barrage of sexist attacks against presidential candidate and US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. The record is replete with examples, but in one series of tirades he called her a witch, a castrator, and a she-devil. When he finally got the vaudeville hook they assigned the role of attacking Hillary to another pundit Keith Olberman, a known degenerate. Thus, it wasn’t long before Olberman was saying naughty things like someone should take Hillary into a room and only one come out, i.e. physically beat her into quitting the race. Not to be outdone, the village idiot David Shuster accused Hillary and Bill of pimping out Chelsie. When Hillary wrote a letter to MSNBC protesting this attack on her daughter, he received a two week suspension and network staffers expressed sympathy for him. What this shows is that MSNBC has a culture of misogyny.

    b. ratification: there is no question that this pattern of sexism was known, condoned and promoted by MSNBC as a business strategy. They cannot deny knowledge of the problem because thousands of protest letters were sent to their designated flack catchers Steve Capus (Sr. Vice President, MSNBC) and Phil Griffin (Senior Vice President, NBC). I myself wrote 5 letters on the subject, one of them to the General Counsel. The National Organization for Women organized a protest against MSNBC to no particular avail. Nor can they deny this was a business strategy, because it is their job to know what is being said on their network, yet pundits continued to attack Hillary despite the public outcry. Thus, it is amazing that Griffin would deny that there was a problem with sexism at MSNBC as he did recently. Like Adolph Eichman he was merely following orders.

    c. evidence: Chris Matthews has a bad memory and so do others. As he prepares to launch a run for the Senate he seeks to rewrite history by claiming that the charges of sexism against him are overblown. Also of late, actress Susan Sarandon (idiot wind) has taken to criticizing Hillary for speaking out on the issue of sexism and how it affected the campaign. Lest we forget here is a short summary of some of Matthews’ sexist comments:

    • I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for.“ “She Devil“ • “Nurse Ratched“ • “Madame Defarge“ • “Witchy“ • “Anti-male“ • “[U]ppity“ • “She’s going to tell us what to do.“ • “Her scolding manner in terms of her public speaking“ • “[L]et’s talk about the troops …Will they take the orders?“ • [D]oesn’t she know she looks like a fraud?“• Look at those eyes. Look at the cold eyes that she’s giving him. Look at that cold look.“ • [L]ike a strip-teaser saying she’s flattered by the all the attention“• On Sen. Clinton’s endorsers: “castratos in the eunuch chorus“ • “Let me tell you how short Hillary’s leash is.“ • “Is she a convincing mom?“ • On Sen. Clinton’s laugh: “What do you make of the cackle?“ • [S]he’s clapping, like she’s Chinese. I know the Chinese clap at each other, but what is she clapping at? I mean, it’s like one of these wind-up things.“ • “[S]he was giving a campaign barn-burner speech, which is harder to give for a woman; it can grate on some men when they listen to it — fingernails on a blackboard, perhaps.“ • “Is there, out there in the country or out in the Atlantic Ocean, some gigantic monster — big, green, horny-headed, all kinds of horns coming out, big, aggressive monster of anti-Hillaryism that hasn’t shown itself: it’s based upon gender …“ • “[B]eing surrounded by women, does that make a case for commander in chief — or does it make a case against it?“• “Is she hemmed in by the fact that she’s a woman and can’t admit a mistake, or else the Republicans will say, ‘Oh, that’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind,’ or ‘another fickle woman’? Is her gender a problem in her ability to change her mind?“ • “[T]he reason she’s a U.S. senator, the reason she’s a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around.“ • “She may have gotten The Des Moines Register’s endorsement the other day, thanks to her husband’s lobbying with its female editors

    7. Conspiracy To Hijack An Election: During the 2008 Democratic Primary Big Media set out to destroy Hillary Clinton both as a candidate and as a person. The third step in their strategy was to hijack the process by stamping Hillary with a negative brand, applying a double standard, depriving her of equal time and applying intense pressure to terminate her campaign. Once again, they conspired with the Obama campaign and the DNC every step of the way to do so.

    a. negative branding: on the eve of the primary season, CNN retained strategists developed a marketing strategy to brand Hillary Clinton as someone who is “divisive”, “polarizing”, “dishonest”, “untrustworthy”, “calculating”. Then they proceeded to repeat those adjectives again and again in the same manner that “biological warfare” and “weapons of mass destruction” were pounded across the air waves in the lead-up to the Iraq War. ABC resident lightweight Jake Tapper (aka Snark) compared Hillary to “Tanya Harding” implying that she would break Obama’s knees to steal his crown. And another pundit compared her to the deranged villainess in “Fatal Attraction” who continued to pursue the hero. Terry McAuliffe observed no candidate in history has received so much disrespect from Big Media.
    b. double standard: Big Media treated Obama with great respect and deference compared to Hillary. According to the Wall Street Journal they provided generous explanations for Obama and put the best possible gloss on his serial gaffs. For example, they characterized his dramatic reversals on issues like campaign finance reform, government surveillance, withdrawal timetable as a “shift his position”, “moving to the center as every candidate does in the general election” or “expanding his horizons”. When constituents criticized him for selling them out on an issue involving radioactive leakage NBC pundit Brian Williams sought to minimize its significance by calling it as “something of a political lesson”. And when he gave us nine different stories on whether he was present at Trinity Church on those days when Reverend Wright delivered his unpatriotic and racist sermons Big Media minimized the topic (with the obvious exception of FOX). In the debates Hillary showed an encyclopedic knowledge of the issues and her answers were clear, cogent and convincing. His were not. Yet Big MSNBC and CNN pundits called the debates a draw. Since his performance was poor they sought to dilute hers.

    c. unequal time: Big Media gave far more time to Obama than they did to Hillary during the latter half of the race. This was strange because her margins of victory were far greater in important states, i.e. West Virginia (41%) and Kentucky (35%). CNN would present a brief clip on her and then break away for extensive coverage of an Obama event or speech. They would cover his speech in its entirety without interruption. When it was concluded they would never come back and finish the piece on her. MSNBC would not allow pro-Clinton pundits on their panels, whereas CNN allowed pro-Clinton pundits Carville and Begala to appear but would not permit them to advocate whereas they did allow pro-Obama pundit Donna Brazille to advocate on his behalf without limitation. The Rassmussen polling service which was believed to be for Obama stopped tracking her numbers.

    d. terminate campaign: What Mark Twain said about himself could just a easily be said about Hillary: “rumors of my untimely (campaign) death have been greatly exaggerated”. From the night she lost Iowa, Big Media began predicting the imminent demise of her campaign. By February the New York Times publishing headlines like “With Skies Darkening Hillary Soldiers On”. Meanwhile the blogs were howling at the moon that her prospects were “fading fast”. When she debated Obama in Texas, MSNBC interpreted her closing remarks about party unity as a veiled concession speech. They used phony delegate math to convince the public that it was impossible for her to win the nomination and misrepresented the role of superdelegates. When Hillary suspended her candidacy Associated Press misrepresented her status by calling her the “defeated” candidate, the “vanquished” candidate and the “losing” candidate. They failed to report that she won the popular vote, the electoral math and was therefore the most electable candidate.

    8. Quid Pro Quo: MSNBC led the attack on Hillary. They did this because they wanted Obama to be President and she stood in his way. What did they expect to get in return? The obvious answer would be access to the pinnacle of government like FOX has had with the Bush Administration these past eight years. Also, they saw him as an exciting new product that would increase their viewing audience and drive ratings. For better or worse, they tied their credibility to his. In the case of MSNBC it may well be the latter.

    But the real reason may go deeper. The parent company of MSNBC and NBC is General Electric. They are a large contributor to Obama and so are their individual employees. Why? Barack is a big supporter of nuclear energy. In fact, Illinois has more nuclear plants than any other state. Those nuclear plants use cores produced by GE. But the biggest reason why GE supports Obama, is because General Electric along with Westinghouse and three consortiums plans to build 29 nuclear plants in the near term. A company that wants to build 29 nuclear plants needs a federal loan guarantee in order to proceed because private banks regard it as too speculative and indeed the Congressional Budget Office rated the risk of default as higher than 50 percent. Nevertheless, Obama voted in favor of it. GE stands to get a lot of money if Obama becomes President.

    If this is the ultimate explanation then it points to a serious threat to our democracy. If business interests can take over the media and the government, then they can control our thinking much as a dictatorship would. This is not a case of first impression. When my dad was at University of Southern California Law School in the late 1930s there was talk about this. The Dean of Harvard Roscoe Pound published an article entitled “Corporations: The New Serfdom”. During the 1950’s President Eisenhower warned us of the perils of the so-called military-industrial complex. Today, the business interests are global and the concern is real and palpable. Ideally, there would be a wall of separation between business and government as there is with religion.

  203. Wbboei,
    Well LOL, you got me there! LOL! I will have to stop doing that….but I think its your statement…I always referred to her as Pooplosi, LOL! I also always talked about her Greygoose Vodka and just the other night I think I called her the xanex queen!

    WE GOTTA START SOMEWHERE! Gimme a break, I love making fun of these assholes just as much as every one else does…LOL!

    BTW, I read that Palin is supposed to release 350,000 documents regarding her two years of service as Governor of Alaska….WTF…we can get her papers and not Odumbo’S???? What the hell is wrong with these people anyway! Too many cheetos I guess!

  204. I don’t think we have to go THAT far. She’s a dumb backstabber and … that’s enough
    ————————–
    Claire McCaskill belongs in the love scene in the movie Deliverance–not in the senate.

  205. Wbboei,
    Claire, my favorite….there’s no words that can describe how I feel about dear Claire! She was so handsome Tuesday night in her red suit with a white skirt….what can I say!

  206. wbboei,
    That essay of your is right on target…now they are doing the same thing to Sarah….because it worked so well on Hillary!

    Why don’t you send that entire thing to SarahPac and tell her she’s next! Keep up the snarks against the “won”, and run…we’ll all vote for her and Bachman!

  207. Wbboei,
    The house just voted to cancel our $3.00 campaign fund to elect Potus….they say it will give us a break….hell they don’t need our little measly money anymore when China can hire our next President or maybe Saudi Arabia can! We’ve lost our country to GE and the rest of the corporations and your buddy Newt wants to do away with the EPA…..well you know what will happen then…we will look like Africa does now with oil washing up on our seashores.

  208. WE GOTTA START SOMEWHERE! Gimme a break, I love making fun of these assholes just as much as every one else does…LOL
    ———————-
    Against all their money humor is about the only weapon we have. I was being facetious. You are on the side of the angels. And if Nanny Poopie is a serial abuser of botox as well as the constitution, I see no reason why we should not point that out. You would think after five operations they could get it right. The other thing about Poopie is she puts her gender in play–as you can see on the cover of Ms. Magazine. When you do that you invite such shots. What we need to do is differentiate between those which are fair, unfair or just plain funny. Or we can be like Paul Krugman and blame a deranged act by a dope smoking leftist sociopath on the tea parties because Sarah has put so much electricity in the air. The problem big media has is they have done every Jack the Ripper move they can think of on Sarah and she survives. The worst offender is the New York Times who ran a poll showing Obama up and Sarah down after their withering attack on her. Those people are right out of Nazi Germany, make no mistake about that. The whole crew at NYT including young Arthur and their idiot editor who replaced Apple. Big media is at war with the American People and it is high time that the American People realized it.

  209. your buddy Newt wants to do away with the EPA
    ———————————————
    Newt writes a book called Winning The Future and Obama the kleptomaniac steals that slogan and uses it as the centerpiece of his state of the union address. This whole thing is right out of the theater of the absurd. Do these people believe we do not see what they are trying to pull off.

    You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
    We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
    But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
    An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
    An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!

  210. Wbboei,
    I agree with you about that….I heard Tweety say some ugly things about Michelle Bachman being ignorant….well if they think she ignorant and Sarah is a ditz….then if we can’t have Hillary I want them….cause they must be what is sorely needed in this country. A truthful politician who is in bed with us the American people!

  211. Claire, my favorite….there’s no words that can describe how I feel about dear Claire! She was so handsome Tuesday night in her red suit with a white skirt….what can I say!
    ———————————–
    Claire De Loon? She was married once to a lawyer. Then he died. He was a lucky lawyer–death never looked so good. Will she, and Webb, and Ben Smith, and Maria Cantwell vote to repeal Obama care? The only one I have confidence in is Cantwell. She was bold enough to support reinstatement of Glass Steegle.

  212. Tweety say some ugly things about Michelle Bachman being ignorant….well if they think she ignorant and Sarah is a ditz….then if we can’t have Hillary I want them….cause they must be what is sorely needed in this country. A truthful politician who is in bed with us the American people!
    ——————————-
    Ignorant? Not compared to him.

  213. Oh Jesus the humanity…..Confloyd this going to make your blood boil, it made so angry and cry at the same time.

    Who the fuck could do such a thing to a beautiful animal. Is there no humanity left. Sorry but I am in absolute tears reading this.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351130/Seriously-ill-foal-dragged-600-yards-car-buried-alive.html

    A seriously ill foal was dragged 600 yards behind a car before being buried alive underneath tarpaulin rather than calling out a vet.

    Weak and on the brink of death, the pony named Babe was dumped out of sight under the sheeting and weighed down by heavy stones.

    The young, severely underweight, animal was barely able to hold his head up because of dehydration.

    But instead of summoning medical help, the animal had his legs tied together and was dragged to his grave.

    So that nobody could watch the six month old animal die the uncaring pair threw a tarpaulin over his body and covered it in rocks and stones.

    Investigators were trying to track down the pair who abandoned the animal in Chertsey, Surrey, yesterday morning.

  214. Nice dictatorship that Biden says is not a dictator….I’d hate to see what a real Dictator is by Biden’s standards.

    Egyptian police breaking down door of Al Jazeera English bureau in Cairo while he continues reporting to switch of their cameras.

    Curfews implemented in cities.

    Entire internet switched off (Obama wants this power)

  215. Hearing news from middle east news reports that Syria has also banned all internet connections now too.

    Fuck them, rise up all of you, do not take this lying down.

  216. Moononpluto,
    Well I guess they didn’t have a damn gun and a bullet or heck a knife to cut its throat…OMG…that is horrible….where the hell is Peta on this one or the ASPCA? Where did this happen? Sociopath’s the world is getting more and more of them. I am always seeing dogs done in a similiar manner and most are Pit Bull’s….it makes me sick…these people have no humanity or they just plain are missing something in their chromosones.

    Its just terrible whats happening in the Middle east…just be careful Moon!!!

  217. This flu is bad stuff…the hospital is full and we are so busy! I have to confess sometimes I get tired of seeing sick people….well now I don’t have to go to confession….I feel better now..LOL!

    There is not a muscle/tendon on my body that doesn’t hurt…I wished I had waited to tear out the tile in my kitchen had I know I was going to be this busy at work!

  218. Its certainly spreading Confloyd, the middle east is going to hell in a hand basket.

    The thing is that the people I think have finally realised how much they are living under powerful rich asset stripping bastards that they finally snapped.

    When you have people like Ben Ali, Mubarak and all those other tinpot filthy rich dictators who have repressed and kept poor the people of their countries you really can see how fundamentalism happens, sometimes its all they have left.

    Like every thing else, money is probably in the root of it.

  219. Still thinking about that lame SOTU, and how it’s sinking in to the mind of the public. The verdict is: Not well. Not well at all.

    This is how it went:

    A) “the SOTU is…..Sputnik Moment! We suck and are being outpaced by China and Korea and the whole freaking world!!”

    B) Then, “something something… SALMON! HAHAHA!! something something….TRAINS!! something something…some guys made some freaking shingles with a gazillion dollars of govt money, which means…uh……something something…hey, the Chilean miner rescue was cool as fuck!….something something…..but, TRAINS!!….. teachers are good….bunnies are fuzzy….. I like puppies…..”

    A is only a good message with which to begin if you are going to follow with a substantive B. If you don’t, then A stands as pretty fucking depressing.

  220. JanH,
    I am so sorry, only seven that’s terrible. I am not familiar with that term budgie…is this a nickname or what?? Is this a dog or cat?

  221. H4T,
    LOL, that is pretty much a perfect description of the SOTU message by the nincompoop.

    BTW, I got a note from MR. Moneybags asking for 5 bucks for the DCCC….I hope he’s not going to hold his breath while I write out that check…..wait maybe I want him too!

  222. Thanks, Southern Born and Confloyd.

    A budgie is a small bird. He was fine on Wednesday, but by night he was nuzzling into my neck and wouldn’t go back to his cage. Last night I believe he was constipated, couldn’t fly very well, and I had an idea that this was going to happen.

  223. I wonder if Zbig and Soros have their hand in this…de stabilizing the MiddleEast like they did in Iran? Sure has their handprints on it…they’ve done this in other countries as well…its seems the whole world it turning upsidedown….Apocolypse or something!

  224. Global Muslim population gains will outstrip non-Muslim growth over the next 20 years

    By Michelle Boorstein
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, January 27, 2011

    The world’s Muslim population will grow at double the rate of non-Muslims over the next 20 years, according to a broad new demographic analysis that is likely to spark controversy in Europe and the United States.

    If current trends continue, the study found, the number of Muslims in the United States will more than double, from 2.6 million in 2010 to 6.2 million in 2030. The percentage of native-born Muslims in the U.S. is projected to rise from 35 percent today to 45 percent in 2030.

    The Future of the Global Muslim Population may be the first to attempt to map the Muslim population of most of the world’s countries. The analysis was conducted by two giant nonprofit groups interested in religion: the Pew Research Center and the John Templeton Foundation.

    Among its other projections:

    l Muslim populations in some parts of Europe will reach the double digits, with France and Belgium at 10.3 percent by 2030.

    l Pakistan will overtake Indonesia as the world’s most populous Muslim nation.

    l Muslim population growth and fertility rates will continue to decline.

    The analysis could fuel critics of Islam in Europe and the United States, who argue that the religion is at odds with Western values and worry that the number of Muslim extremists is on the rise. Or it could calm those fears by providing evidence that Muslim populations in the West will remain relatively tiny.

    The study – which uses a dizzying mix of public and private data sources – makes it clear that even rapid growth among Muslims will not produce dramatic demographic shifts in most parts of the world.

    Eighty-two percent of the world’s Muslims live in Asia, the Middle East and North Africa, and that number is projected to be around 79 percent in 2030.

    According to the study’s projections, Muslims make up 23.4 percent of the world’s population of 6.9 billion; in 2030, that percentage will be 26.4. Europe is home to 2.7 percent of the world’s Muslims, a percentage that is predicted to remain stable.

    “This will provide a garbage filter for hysterical claims people make about the size and growth of the Muslim population,” said Philip Jenkins, a religious history scholar known for his books on Christianity and Islam.

    Yet the report’s authors note that compiling even basic religious data from such a mix of divergent sources (about half of the 232 countries in the report ask about religion in their census data; for the other half researchers relied on existing private surveys) has its limitations. The report states in its opening pages that the projections “inevitably entails a host of uncertainties, including political ones. Changes in the political climate in the United States or European nations, for example, could dramatically affect the patterns of Muslim migration.”

    Some experts who got an advance look at the report noted a possible “us vs. them” premise – comparing a quarter of the world’s population with the other 75 percent. The analysis is based on people who identified themselves as “Muslim” and includes nothing about levels of religiosity, belief or practice.

    “Going into this project, that’s the first question I had: ‘Why are you doing this study? Are you singling out Muslims?’ ” said Amaney Jamal, a Princeton University political scientist who advised the project.

    But Jamal said she put aside those concerns and ended up viewing as “magnificent” the project’s eventual goal – mapping the world’s religious populations.

    Jamal said she and others who research Muslims have faced significant challenges since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Whatever your area of focus or conclusion, you will be labeled “part of the fear-mongering or else you are an apologist,” she said. “It’s left us in a bind. The alternative is, don’t try to do anything sophisticated.”

    John Casterline, director of the Initiative in Population Research at Ohio State University, said questions about dividing the world into Muslim and non-Muslim are inevitable. He called the framework “a crude cut” but said that didn’t diminish the analysis’s “very worthwhile” value.

    “To say that dividing the world into Muslim and non-Muslim is the most important thing is going too far. But it’s still a meaningful thing to people and to Muslims in particular. This is a very fundamental thing, people’s religious identification,” he said.

    He noted that there are places where the number of Muslims and non-Muslims has very specific political implications, including Israel, which the analysis predicts will shift from 14 percent Muslim in 1990 to 23 percent in 2030; and Nigeria, which has seen violence between its equally sized Muslim and Christian populations.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/27/AR2011012700012.html

  225. Jan H,
    You I used to have a parakeet named Aristotle…I loved that bird! He was sooo smart and he and I would play fight and he could talk…I raised him from a baby, actually right from the egg…he learned how to open his cage and one day I got home and his cage was open and he was gone…I never found him….I was sick about it for weeks.

    Birds have beautiful personalities…most people don’t realize it either. What I find most depressing is what a sweet personality cattle have….they are much sweeter and calmer than horses….why I’m not a vegetarian I don’t know??

    Sorry to hear about your bird!

  226. turndownobama
    Well, you know, it came down at night and it was black so no one could see it. Then all of Soros men in black capes surrounded it and wouldn’t let anyone hear about it.
    ***************************
    😆

  227. JanH
    I think birds can be susceptible to pneumonia and die pretty quickly. Many, many years ago I had a parakeet that I would take outside in it’s cage in the spring so it could sit in the sun. One day I was not able to take it outside and it died while I was at work the next day. Always wondered if taking it out into the sunshine prolonged it’s life. It sure seemed to enjoy the heat on it’s feathers, but I was careful not to keep it out too long or in really hot weather.

  228. HRC on now, making sense, i wish she’d just tell Mubarak to piss off though. Unfortunately asking protestors in these countries as you know to protest peacefully usually ends up in them being blackbagged or shot. So thats not really an option when you are dealing with dictators.

  229. The middle east east kicks off when we have the biggest wimp in the WH house that we ever had, just does not fill you with confidence. Thank god for HRC, however without the proper power, she wont even be enough, the wimp will sit back and let it go to shit.

  230. Remember when those in Iran rioted against tyranny and their islamic Govt?……crickets from Obama.

    Now today we have riots led by the muslim brotherhood in Egypt and Obama says the Govt should tone it down.

  231. I get the impression from that press conference HRC really wants to say more but is being restricted, she’s clearly not happy with the admin line.

  232. moononpluto
    January 28th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Hearing news from middle east news reports that Syria has also banned all internet connections now too.

    Fuck them, rise up all of you, do not take this lying down.
    ——
    Protesting against the government in these countries is on a whole different level…blood in the streets either way.

    Someone needs to ship the citizens some weapons, can’t bring a flashlight or flag to a gun fight.

  233. Monster snowstorms still spell global warming

    The weather seems to be going berserk, with more snow dumped on our beleaguered Northeastern cities in a month than in a year, paralyzing business and our lives. Records are being broken even as we speak.
    [….]
    Basically, snowstorms in this region arise from the collision of cold Arctic air from Canada moving south and bumping up against warm, moist air from the Gulf of Mexico, causing water vapor to condense and freeze and then form snowstorms, which travel up the Northeast corridor.

    Among many factors, the amount of snow dumped is largely driven by the amount of moisture in humid air and not so much the temperature, and this seems to go against common sense. (For example, if we are making ice cubes, the amount of water in the ice tray, not the temperature, determines how much ice we can make. If we crank down the temperature dial in our freezer, this simply makes the ice freeze faster but does not increase the amount of ice produced.)

    […]

    Similarly, the main consequence of global warming is not [local warming everywhere] but instead increasingly violent swings in the weather, with droughts and famine in one area occurring at the same time as flooding in another, and snowstorms in one region at the same time as hot spells in another.

    […]

    And as the Earth continues to heat, it means that there will be more moisture in the air to possibly drive more monster storms and hurricanes, simultaneously with droughts and hot spells. So we might expect more unusual, bizarre weather patterns in the future.

  234. Weekly Initial Unemployment Claims increase sharply to 454,000

    The DOL reports on weekly unemployment insurance claims: In the week ending Jan. 22, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 454,000, an increase of 51,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 403,000. The 4-week moving average was 428,750, an increase of 15,750 from the previous week’s revised average of 413,000.

    ………….

    slipped that one out on a day to bury bad news.

  235. So White House opted out of briefings, delayed briefing indefinitely.

    Interesting.

    Something’s up. Mubarak was going to speak hours ago…must have done a runner.

  236. Holy Shit

    Dozens arrested at e-organized Jeddah protest. May be parochial, but a Saudi revolution could be global game changer:

  237. So unemploment numbers are not what we would think. Companies are flush with money, and they are beginning to hire.

    The BIG questions is Where Are They Hiring. I assume we are keep track.

  238. Everytime I think were freaked here in America, I look at Greece, Egypt and all the other places and I am glad I’m here even with our yellow-bellied Dear Leader!

    I just wonder when Israel is going to act….the have a good relationship with Mubarak, don’t they??

  239. NMF,
    My brother in law is from Hamburg, Germany. He says all these American companies are hiring like crazy overseas….Americans are coming up on the short end of the stick….I guess they want what is happening in Egypt to happen here???

  240. Good sense hidden under a scary headline and lead paragraphs.

    l Muslim population growth and fertility rates will continue to decline.

    [….]

    Europe is home to 2.7 percent of the world’s Muslims, a percentage that is predicted to remain stable.

    “This will provide a garbage filter for hysterical claims people make about the size and growth of the Muslim population,” said Philip Jenkins, a religious history scholar known for his books on Christianity and Islam.

    http://www.worldjewishdaily.com/toolbar.html?4t=extlink&4u=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/27/AR2011012700012.html

  241. CNN reporter in WH pool discussing that Obama and Clinton are in 2 camps on how to respond. Obama wants it his way, Hillary is fighting her ground.

    Here’s a clue Obama…..let her get on with it. I knew there was something up with that statement earlier from Hillary. It seemed like she wanted to say more.

  242. CNN reporter claims an unnamed foreign minister of an Arab State has said that the Mubarek regime is finished and the army will rule in the interim.

    seems all over.

  243. Everytime I think were freaked here in America, I look at Greece, Egypt and all the other places and I am glad I’m here even with our yellow-bellied Dear Leader!

    I just wonder when Israel is going to act….the have a good relationship with Mubarak, don’t they??
    ___________

    Mubarak is a thug and a tyrant, nothing more. It is time that Middle Eastern citizens got to elect their own governments instead of living under world-sanctioned thugs.

  244. We sure don’t want this Muslim Brotherhood to be in charge….Mubarek is gone I think! It’s freaking scary…I bet Saudi is next….what do you all think….I don’t think this is good!

    Obama is no good…we need an overthrow here and get Hillary in there!

  245. get this…..

    PressTV and Egyptian TV is reporting on the “False Promises” of the American President Obama made in Cairo last year.

  246. Jan- sorry to hear about budgie. Sad,very sad, when you lose a friend who brought you so much joy.
    __________________________

    The Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the World. Read this story. The leader is a ‘mechanic’. I’m sure he is a front for the Thugish Fanatics behind the scenes.
    _______________

    Protesters demand Jordan’s government step down

    Spurred on by the example of the popular uprising in Tunisia, Jordanians have staged growing protests in the past week.

    AMMAN — Thousands of Jordanians calling for their government to step down marched in several cities Friday in an outpouring of anger over economic hardship and a lack of democratic reforms in the constitutional monarchy.

    Spurred on by the example of the popular uprising in Tunisia, Jordanians have staged growing protests in the past week. The opposition movements that organized Friday’s demonstrations vowed to keep up the pressure until Prime Minister Samir Rifai and his government resign.

    Wary of the outcry, particularly over rising prices, Jordan’s government has taken some steps to try to defuse the situation, including by announcing $125 million in subsidies on basic goods and fuel. The prime minister also announced a surprise pay increase for civil servants.

    Protesters scoffed at the measures.

    “They lie to the people. They reduce some things and increase others more,” said Muslim Brotherhood demonstrator Suhair Asaaf, an electrical mechanic.

    He was among more than 5,000 people demonstrating Friday in the capital, Amman, its suburb Zarqa and in the northern town of Irbid. The organizers of what was dubbed a “Day of Rage” represented a broad swath of Jordan’s opposition, including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, left-wing groups and trade unions.

    Crowds chanted: “The Jordanian people are on fire. The government is cutting its people like a saw. Down, down Rifai.”

    The opposition groups are calling for reforms to allow Jordanians to elect their prime minister and the rest of the Cabinet rather than having them appointed by King Abdullah II.

    Elections are held for Jordan’s lower house of parliament as well as municipal councils and mayors.

    Abdullah, a key US ally, ascended to the throne in 1999 vowing to transform his desert Arab kingdom into a model democracy in the Muslim world. But his reforms have been slow, as Jordan tries to limit Islamist influence.

    Hamza Mansour, the head of the Islamic Action Front, the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, Jordan’s largest opposition group, urged the king to make all branches of power independent.

    “The king should be the guide, not the executor of the country’s daily affairs,” he said during the march.

    Leftist Mohannad Safi called the government’s limited reforms “window-dressing” to try to calm the people.

    “This whole system of government must change. And we’ll continue the protests until that happens,” he said.

    You can read about the Muslim Brotherhood at the link:

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=204694

  247. Jan- sorry to hear about budgie. Sad,very sad, when you lose a friend who brought you so much joy.
    __________________________

    The Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the World. Read this story. The leader is a ‘mechanic’. I’m sure he is a front for the Thugish Fanatics behind the scenes.
    _______________

    Protesters demand Jordan’s government step down

    Spurred on by the example of the popular uprising in Tunisia, Jordanians have staged growing protests in the past week.

    AMMAN — Thousands of Jordanians calling for their government to step down marched in several cities Friday in an outpouring of anger over economic hardship and a lack of democratic reforms in the constitutional monarchy.

    Spurred on by the example of the popular uprising in Tunisia, Jordanians have staged growing protests in the past week. The opposition movements that organized Friday’s demonstrations vowed to keep up the pressure until Prime Minister Samir Rifai and his government resign.

    Wary of the outcry, particularly over rising prices, Jordan’s government has taken some steps to try to defuse the situation, including by announcing $125 million in subsidies on basic goods and fuel. The prime minister also announced a surprise pay increase for civil servants.

    Protesters scoffed at the measures.

    “They lie to the people. They reduce some things and increase others more,” said Muslim Brotherhood demonstrator Suhair Asaaf, an electrical mechanic.

    He was among more than 5,000 people demonstrating Friday in the capital, Amman, its suburb Zarqa and in the northern town of Irbid. The organizers of what was dubbed a “Day of Rage” represented a broad swath of Jordan’s opposition, including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, left-wing groups and trade unions.

    Crowds chanted: “The Jordanian people are on fire. The government is cutting its people like a saw. Down, down Rifai.”

    The opposition groups are calling for reforms to allow Jordanians to elect their prime minister and the rest of the Cabinet rather than having them appointed by King Abdullah II.

    Elections are held for Jordan’s lower house of parliament as well as municipal councils and mayors.

    Abdullah, a key US ally, ascended to the throne in 1999 vowing to transform his desert Arab kingdom into a model democracy in the Muslim world. But his reforms have been slow, as Jordan tries to limit Islamist influence.

    Hamza Mansour, the head of the Islamic Action Front, the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, Jordan’s largest opposition group, urged the king to make all branches of power independent.

    “The king should be the guide, not the executor of the country’s daily affairs,” he said during the march.

    Leftist Mohannad Safi called the government’s limited reforms “window-dressing” to try to calm the people.

    “This whole system of government must change. And we’ll continue the protests until that happens,” he said.

    You can read about the Muslim Brotherhood at the link:

    h… w…jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=204694

  248. Pretty telling: Gibbs won’t say if Obama supports Mubarak…our allies in the middle east must be watching their backs because Obama sure as shit aint got them.

    This is going to kill co-operation for decades.

  249. The Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the World. Read this story. The leader of the uprising is a ‘mechanic’. I’m sure he is a front for the Thugish Fanatics behind the scenes.
    _______________

    Protesters demand Jordan’s government step down

    Spurred on by the example of the popular uprising in Tunisia, Jordanians have staged growing protests in the past week.

    jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=204694

  250. 01/28/2011

    Obama blowing it again in the Middle East

    By Jennifer Rubin

    Jackson Diehl traces the serial missteps of the Obama administration in wrapping its arms around Hosni Mubarak. Diehl urges Obama to correct course: “In fact, U.S. support for a peaceful transition from Mubarak’s government to a new democracy could be decisive — and it is not too late to take the right side.”

    The signs are not positive that he will do so. Obama proclaimed his desire for Mubarak to allow that “people have mechanisms in order to express legitimate grievances.” But is that a democratic government? Obama is unclear.

    Even worse, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs proclaimed: “This isn’t a choice between the government and the people of Egypt. This is not about taking sides.” Are we indifferent to the outcome?

    To top it all off, Joe Biden had this exchange on PBS’s News Hour yesterday:

    JIM LEHRER: Has the time come for President Mubarak of Egypt to go, to stand aside?

    JOE BIDEN: No, I think the time has come for President Mubarak to begin to move in the direction that — to be more responsive to some of the needs of the people out there. These are — a lot of the people out there protesting are middle-class folks who are looking for a little more access and a little more opportunity. And the two things we have been saying here, Jim, is that violence isn’t appropriate and people have a right to protest. And so — and we think that — I hope Mubarak, President Mubarak, will — is going to respond to some of the legitimate concerns that are being raised.

    JIM LEHRER: You know President Mubarak.

    JOE BIDEN: I know him fairly well.

    JIM LEHRER: Have you talked to him about this?

    JOE BIDEN: I haven’t talked to him in the last three days. I — last time I — actually, I haven’t talked to him in about a month. But I speak to him fairly regularly. And I think that, you know, there’s a lot going on across that part of the continent, from Tunisia into — all the way to Pakistan, actually. And there’s — a lot of these countries are beginning to sort of take stock of where they are and what they have to do.

    JIM LEHRER: Some people are suggesting that we may be seeing the beginning of a kind of domino effect, similar to what happened after the Cold War in Eastern Europe. Poland came first, then Hungary, East Germany. We have got Tunisia, as you say, maybe Egypt, who knows. Do you smell the same thing coming?

    JOE BIDEN: No, I don’t.

    It’s hard to conceive of a worse message to convey to the Egyptian people. It seems that the administration certainly is taking sides: Mubarak’s.

    In case you thought it not possible, Biden went further:

    JIM LEHRER: The word — the word to describe the leadership of Mubarak and Egypt and also in Tunisia before was dictator. Should Mubarak be seen as a dictator?

    JOE BIDEN: Look, Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things and he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interests in the region: Middle East peace efforts, the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing the relationship with Israel. And I think that it would be — I would not refer to him as a dictator.

    A disgusted Capitol Hill staffer tells me: “You don’t need to have an advance degree from Harvard’s Kennedy School or, for that matter, even a Webster’s to know when a leader suppresses dissent and disallows free elections he may qualify as a dictator.” What else would we call a leader who rigs elections, suppresses opposition, denies freedom of speech and freedom of assembly? Our own State Department’s human rights report released last March contained this on Egypt:

    The government’s respect for human rights remained poor, and serious abuses continued in many areas. The government limited citizens’ right to change their government and continued a state of emergency that has been in place almost continuously since 1967. Security forces used unwarranted lethal force and tortured and abused prisoners and detainees, in most cases with impunity. Prison and detention center conditions were poor. Security forces arbitrarily arrested and detained individuals, in some cases for political purposes, and kept them in prolonged pretrial detention. The executive branch exercised control over and pressured the judiciary. The government’s respect for freedoms of association and religion remained poor during the year, and the government continued to restrict nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). The government partially restricted freedom of expression.

    This is another in a series of debacles in the making in the Middle East by the Obama administration. Once more, we are placing the United States on the wrong side of history. Egyptians have amassed for several days in numbers surpassing all expectations. The opportunist Mohamed ElBaradei is rushing back to get ahead of the parade. The New York Times reports:

    Mr. ElBaradei, the former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency who has sought to refashion himself as pro-democracy campaigner in his homeland, is viewed by some supporters as capable of uniting the country’s fractious opposition and offering an alternative to Mr. Mubarak’s authoritarian rule. Critics view him as an opportunist who has spent too little time in the country to take control of a movement which began without his leadership.

    But at least he understands the momentous events taking place, which is vastly more than one can say for the entirely inept Obama team.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/01/obama_blowing_it_again_in_the.html

  251. Clinton to visit Haiti on Sunday
    (AFP) – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will visit Haiti Sunday to consult with Haitian President Rene Preval and others about the disputed election, a cholera epidemic and post-quake reconstruction.

    It will be Clinton’s first visit to Haiti since she traveled there on January 16 last year, days after a 7.0 magnitude quake killed more than 220,000 people, left 1.3 million homeless, and the capital Port-au-Prince in ruins.

    She will “consult with members of civil society, political actors, Haiti’s president and international partners on the ongoing electoral situation as well as reconstruction efforts,” State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said.

    “The United States and Haiti share the mutual commitment to building Haiti anew after the devastating earthquake one year ago, and to ensure a strong future for Haiti?s people and its democracy,” Crowley said in a statement.

    He also said the chief US diplomat will visit a cholera clinic, meet Edmond Mulet, the special representative of UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, and consult with candidates in the disputed election.

    In the latest electoral twist, Preval’s hand-picked candidate Jude Celestin has refused to confirm that he was withdrawing from Haiti’s electoral race after the ruling party pulled its support for him.

    According to preliminary results from the November 28 first round poll, Celestin garnered 7,000 more votes than popular singer Michel Martelly, securing a place in a run-off against former first lady Mirlande Manigat.

    Within hours of the announcement, protests swept Haitian towns, leaving five dead and the country in crisis as opposition candidates accused Preval and the electoral commission of rigging the poll.

    A team of international monitors called in by Preval found widespread vote tampering and fraud in Celestin’s favor, and recommended he should withdraw from the race and leave the field clear for a Martelly-Manigat battle.

    The second round, originally scheduled for January 16, has been indefinitely postponed, even though Preval is due to step down in early February and hand over leadership of the poorest country in the Americas.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hoLLbkYSxqzhJjD4b5_4K3fdIftQ?docId=CNG.ad0fbca0fd67e69b8000b22f53b7ca5d.9f1

  252. Heh. Somebody ought to write a parody with what the Climate Change deniers would have said about Sputnik. “It’s a hoax, those scientists are making it up, there’s really nothing up there….”

    Right along with the Moon Landing Hoax.

  253. You gotta wonder where the SOB is all the time….they showed a pic of him meeting with his cabinet today…well that can be photochopped….just where is our little tinpot dictator?

    Gibbs is not saying shit….nothing…he so good at it!

  254. lol

    someone just nailed Gibbs

    Where’s Obama ….“why is the POTUS not standing where you’re standing now”

  255. wbboei
    January 28th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    wbboei…that was a very comprehensive and excellent account of what happened…

    and continues to happen…MSNBC gives Chris Matthews the torch and he lights the fires…Matthews is a political stalker when it comes to strong, political women he feels threatened by…you describe emphatically what he did to Hillary during the primaries…and now that she is temporarily ‘politically’ ‘out of action – or – in her place’ Matthews has moved on Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann…

    Matthews continues to use the same name calling and belittling terminoloby and you can be sure he will have a segment every show that in some way keeps his stalking alive against these women…he will continue to manufacture events in his head to go after them…if Hillary ever becomes a threat again in Matthews eyes, be assured, he will set his target on her once again…

  256. JanH,
    I wonder that too.
    THe NWO that wants to rule the world, has its handprints on this…I think I said this yesterday! This is just so weird!

    Is Egypt a nuclear power??? I don’t think so!

  257. The Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the World. Read this story. The leader of the uprising is a ‘mechanic’. I’m sure he is a front for the Thugish Fanatics behind the scenes.

    ===================

    I bet he’s your mysterious Internet pen pal that made Loughner shoot Giffords, too!

    No wonder Egypt shut down the Internet.

  258. Gibbs refers reporters to State. The President of the United States has not spoken to ANY world leaders about/during this crisis.

    What a fuckwit we have. Seriously are they joking.

  259. Jan, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your little buddy…I know how much our pets give to us every day…

    …my two have literally gotten me through the past year…I hope each day will hurt a little less…and your sadness will ease…

  260. Obama is probably hold up in some corner having an anxiety attack! He also probably telling Valerie to make sure Hillary gets no credit for fixing any part of this!

  261. #
    confloyd
    January 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Obama is probably hold up in some corner having an anxiety attack! He also probably telling Valerie to make sure Hillary gets no credit for fixing any part of this!
    _____________________

    Whats happening confloyd, Hillary and Obama are at odds over Mubarek. Hillary wants him out and BO wants him to stay. Thats why he sent Biden out for a statement.

  262. moononpluto
    January 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    CNN reporter in WH pool discussing that Obama and Clinton are in 2 camps on how to respond. Obama wants it his way, Hillary is fighting her ground.
    ————–

    Hey, O, it’s 3 AM!!! Now STFU and let the smart woman do her job. Lord, I’d rather almost anyone be in charge in a crisis rather than this prevaricating waffling fuckweasel.

  263. Hillary should walk out now and say “Obama is seriously affecting the stability of the middle east, I won’t stand by” He is obviously pushing an agenda she is not happy with.

  264. ooh ouch

    great question from British reporter

    this has going on for a week and you can’t tell us if the President is in touch with other western allies?

  265. turndownobama
    January 28th, 2011 at 1:53 am
    OT … rotfl….

    I think something is melting, melting….

    Hawaii bill would charge $100 for Obama birth info
    &&&&&&&

    Okay, so maybe that’s a roadblock for the average citizen. But say there’s at least one person (maybe even several news organizations??!!) who’d pony up.

    I just wonder what this “copy” would demonstrate…or would it be a link to the web site??

    Does anyone have any updated info on this charade?

  266. Thanks S.

    ————————

    obama is indeed holed up but not for the reasons you think. I am sure he has his teenage speechwriter working his stubby little fingers off to create a brand new 5 hour speech for his master. I bet obama is going to command television time again to show what a leader he is.

    Gibbs is drowning and obama is letting him. Hillary is doing all the 3 a.m. calls.

  267. oh and obama can’t be bothered with this trivia. He’s getting into campaign mode and nothing must stand in his way.

  268. Yes, as I mentioned last week, this would be the best time for Hillary to resign. She is standing on the right side and her resignation will show Obama for what he is… a cowardly president, playing both sides of the political spectrum.

  269. Way to go Obama….no ally will ever trust you again.

    Mostafa El Fekki on Al Jazeera “It’s clear that the US has changed its policy towards Egypt. The White House no longer believes in Mubarak “

  270. mrs. smith said:
    The Muslim Brotherhood is trying to take over the World. Read this story. The leader of the uprising is a ‘mechanic’. I’m sure he is a front for the Thugish Fanatics behind the scenes.

    ===================

    turndown said:
    I bet he’s your mysterious Internet pen pal that made Loughner shoot Giffords, too!
    No wonder Egypt shut down the Internet.

    ===================

    mrs. smith said:
    Read the article TD before you look even more like a fool.

    ===================

    turndown says:
    Latest report on Loughner said they checked his Internet history and found he was researching lethal injections he’d probably get if convicted. Still no trace of him reading Palin or other Rightwing sites.

    Your Egyptian mechanic who’s behind him must be a good hacker.

  271. speaking of sexism, misogyny..omg…

    salon.com/news/feature/2011/01/27/tracy_morgan_palin/

    welcome to the ‘new civility’ from the left…this is how low…low…these creeps will go and not bat an eye…they feel entitled to say whatever they want with no repercussions…

    …why doesn’t msnbc go after this disgusting stuff…if anyone from the other side sad something like this about MO or someone they support they would go crazy…yet because it is SP it is ok…

    I cannot say enough how much these people completely turn me off…and btw…if you look at any of the comments, especially any that post on HP, wow…what a reality check of how really stupid, ignorant and low these O supporters go…really pathetic…this is the mentality that is electing our President…

  272. Muslim Brotherhood</b

    The Muslim Brothers is a Sunni transnational movement and the largest political opposition organization in many Arab states, particularly Egypt. The world's oldest and largest Islamic political group was founded by the Egyptian schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna in 1928. The Brotherhood's stated goal is to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for … ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community … and state". Since its inception in 1928 the movement has officially opposed violent means to achieve its goals, with some exceptions such as in the Isra…

    eli-Palestinian conflict or to overthrow secular Ba'athist rule in Syria. This position has been questioned, particularly by the Egyptian government, which accused the group of a campaign of killings in Egypt after World War II. The Brotherhood has been described as both unjustly oppressed and dangerously violent. Members have been arbitrarily arrested; in Egypt the government has obstructed the party's attempts to field candidates in elections, with arrests or harassment of activists and obstruction of voting in Muslim Brotherhood strongholds. Outside of Egypt, the group's political activity has been described as evolving away from modernism and reformism towards a more traditional, "rightist conservative" stance. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood party in Kuwait opposes suffrage for women. The Brotherhood's official opposition to terror against civilians and condemnation of the 9/11 attacks is a matter of international controversy.

    Its position on violence has also caused disputes within the movement, with advocates of violence at times breaking away to form groups such as the Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (The Islamic Group) and Al Takfir Wal Hijra (Excommunication and Migration). Among the Brotherhood’s more influential members was Sayyid Qutb. Qutb was the author of one of Islamism’s most important books, Milestones, which called for the restoration of Islam by re-establishing the Sharia and by using “physical power and Jihad for abolishing the organizations and authorities of the Jahili system,” which he believed to include the entire Muslim world. While studying at university, Osama bin Laden claimed to have been influenced by the religious and political ideas of several professors with strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood including both Sayyid Qutb and his brother Muhammad Qutb.

    However, once Al Qaeda was fully organized, they denounced the Muslim Brotherhood’s reform through nonviolence and accused them of “betraying the cause of Islam and abandoning their ‘jihad’ in favour of forming political parties and supporting modern state institution”. The Brotherhood is financed by contributions from its members who are required to allocate portion of their income to the movement. Some of these contributions were from members who lived in oil-rich countries.

    wiki link

  273. Hillary, if you or your staff are reading this blog, GET YOURSELF AWAY FROM THIS TRAINWRECK OF AN ADMINISTRATION NOW.

    Don’t go the noble martyr route. Don’t stay and stay and cooperate because you love your country and think you can be the dissenting voice and bring reason. GET. OUT. Walk away.

  274. Muslim Brotherhood

    The Muslim Brothers is a Sunni transnational movement and the largest political opposition organization in many Arab states, particularly Egypt. The world’s oldest and largest Islamic political group was founded by the Egyptian schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna in 1928. The Brotherhood’s stated goal is to instill the Qur’an and Sunnah as the “sole reference point for … ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community … and state”. Since its inception in 1928 the movement has officially opposed violent means to achieve its goals, with some exceptions such as in the Isra…

    eli-Palestinian conflict or to overthrow secular Ba’athist rule in Syria. This position has been questioned, particularly by the Egyptian government, which accused the group of a campaign of killings in Egypt after World War II. The Brotherhood has been described as both unjustly oppressed and dangerously violent. Members have been arbitrarily arrested; in Egypt the government has obstructed the party’s attempts to field candidates in elections, with arrests or harassment of activists and obstruction of voting in Muslim Brotherhood strongholds. Outside of Egypt, the group’s political activity has been described as evolving away from modernism and reformism towards a more traditional, “rightist conservative” stance. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood party in Kuwait opposes suffrage for women. The Brotherhood’s official opposition to terror against civilians and condemnation of the 9/11 attacks is a matter of international controversy. Its position on violence has also caused disputes within the movement, with advocates of violence at times breaking away to form groups such as the Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (The Islamic Group) and Al Takfir Wal Hijra (Excommunication and Migration). Among the Brotherhood’s more influential members was Sayyid Qutb. Qutb was the author of one of Islamism’s most important books, Milestones, which called for the restoration of Islam by re-establishing the Sharia and by using “physical power and Jihad for abolishing the organizations and authorities of the Jahili system,” which he believed to include the entire Muslim world. While studying at university, Osama bin Laden claimed to have been influenced by the religious and political ideas of several professors with strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood including both Sayyid Qutb and his brother Muhammad Qutb. However, once Al Qaeda was fully organized, they denounced the Muslim Brotherhood’s reform through nonviolence and accused them of “betraying the cause of Islam and abandoning their ‘jihad’ in favour of forming political parties and supporting modern state institution”. The Brotherhood is financed by contributions from its members who are required to allocate portion of their income to the movement. Some of these contributions were from members who lived in oil-rich countries.

  275. WHOA! FOX has on that former CIA guy Michael Schuer who says yes sir, sir, continually.

    He just said that HILLARY is “scisso”…Can’t spell it I’m so disgusted!

  276. turndown, this is Iran redux. I was alive, I watched it all, and I remember it well.

    Yes, the shah was repressive. And no, all of the protestors who helped depose him were not fundamentalists. Many were sincere pro-democracy, pro-business, pro-modern civilization people.

    Guess which group used the revolution to seize power? The fucking woman-hating mullahs, that’s who. And immediately destroyed the other groups. I see the same dynamic playing out in Egypt.

  277. Wow, the Gibbs press briefing was an eye opener. He was sent out there to not answer any questions and not give any information, except we’re monitoring a fluid situation where things are changing fast. Only time I’ve felt a little sympathy for Gibbs working for Mr. Invisible.

  278. Try reading for comprehension turndown- unless your too busy to note the planet’s axis has changed moving the lon and lat several degrees beyond their original origins.
    ________________________

    “”They lie to the people. They reduce some things and increase others more,” said Muslim Brotherhood demonstrator/leader Suhair Asaaf, an electrical mechanic.”

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=204694

  279. How, how did we end up with such idiots……

    Vice President says unemployed should ‘hang in there’
    By Rachel Rose Hartman
    Fri Jan 28, 9:40 am ET

    Yahoo! asked Vice President Joe Biden Thursday to give some good advice for the unemployed. He provided a list of recent improvements to the economy, while expressing sympathy for those struggling to get by without a regular income.

    “So the message is ‘hang in there?'” Yahoo!’s Anna Robertson asked.

    “The message is hang in there,” he repeated.

    Republicans gained traction in last year’s election by asking “where are the jobs?” and highlighting Americans’ dissatisfaction with the economy. GOP Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin also made the jobs question as the focus of his State of the Union response this week.

    But in Thursday’s interview, Biden stressed that the recovery of the labor economy would be slow and gradual–even though the GOP has harnessed widespread impatience with that view for political gain.

    “Things are coming back,” Biden said, after noting that the unemployment rate is now dropping “minimally,” businesses are investing, banks are lending, and companies are gaining confidence.

  280. Funny, I watched the whole Gibbs song and dance on Al Jazeera live feeds long ago, not sure what is up with that? How did they get the video before Fox and other US stations? Maybe the blog updating posts is behind or I have gone into another dimension.

    I felt rather weird on the AJ feed, but I am at work and can’t watch live tv.

    Anyone have a live feed for the US besides CSPAN?

  281. Breaking News: CNN reporting that the situation has calmed down because there is no govt. No further information.

  282. Twitter : The Middle East is in chaos; has anyone checked the local D.C. golf courses for Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama?

  283. Big Cat Lover:

    If Mr Invisible reveals himself as supporting Mubarek and Hillary is seen advising the depot be gone… then the jig is up for the fraudlent leader of the Free World.

    BTW The fundamentalist Muslims are labeled LEFTIST… what a shock!

  284. #
    BigCatLover
    January 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Wow, the Gibbs press briefing was an eye opener. He was sent out there to not answer any questions and not give any information, except we’re monitoring a fluid situation where things are changing fast. Only time I’ve felt a little sympathy for Gibbs working for Mr. Invisible.
    ——
    Speaking of that, some political prof. from Egypt said that the US is in a precarious position, and maybe why Barry is afraid to say anything.

    If he supports the Egyptian president, he throws the public under the bus and their right to protest their gov. in a democracy.

    On the other hand, if he supports the public of Egypt, he throws the president/gov. under the bus it hurts relations between the counties, in terms of oil and support in the middle east. Also may look like the US wants to help overthrow the gov.

  285. CNN pundit saying Clinton and the admin is calling for the Mubarek govt to stop cracking down on the protestors and walking a fine line re: the Mubarek govt. They are replaying Clinton’s briefing today.

  286. This raw video of rioting in Egypt says it all. This is friggin nuts. Notice there are no women.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xWiBCIxjIk

    Jan, I know how sad you must be about the budgie. They have so much spirit and personality packed into such a pint-sized body. I am down to 4 parrots now, ranging from a budgie to an Amazon, and I have been devastated in the past by the death of tiny winged feathered friends.

    Pixie, the budgie is ten but she’s doing geat. The amazon has a lifespan of over 60 years and the longest recorded lifespan was 98. I know she’ll probably outlive me as she’s only 30 or so.
    The other two are also around ten but can live 30-40 years. Budgies can live as long as 15 years but it’s rare. 🙁

  287. CNN is interviewing a young American couple on their first visit to Egypt. They are holed up in a hotel in Cairo where security will not allow them to come below the 4th floor.

  288. Mrs. Smith,

    I wonder if the media and obama would let Hillary come out of this in a positive way if she chose to quit now.

    I’m also wondering if obama is trying to find a way to blame his ineptitude on her.

  289. Jan,

    I have cried and cried over the passing of birdies. Unless you have lived with one it’s impossible to understand how amazingly affectionate and loving they are. When they sit on your shoulder and preen your hair or cuddle up in the curve of your neck or strectch their heads down for a scritch they are just so charming.

    And of course, if you have only one of a species, you become their mate. They are fiercely loyal. Will you adopt another?

  290. basil,

    I don’t know. Not for a while if I do. My brother gave me Sammy as a housewarming gift…lol… The whole family fell in love with him and he did all those things you mentioned, including loving war movies, music, and applause…anything loud.

    Thank you again.

  291. #
    JanH
    January 28th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Mrs. Smith,

    I wonder if the media and obama would let Hillary come out of this in a positive way if she chose to quit now.
    _______________________

    I think the media is changing. We’ll have to wait a while longer to see if it’s mainstay will be for a Republican bent…but one thing for sure, the media is moving away from protecting Obama.
    ______________________

    I’m also wondering if obama is trying to find a way to blame his ineptitude on her.
    _________________

    They’re trying now-FOX has on that former CIA guy Michael Schuer(sp) who just said that HILLARY is “schizo”… CiA is usually a Republican operative. Remember when GHWB was Director of the CiA.

    Southern Born posted almost the same thing upthread.

  292. 3 private jets leave Cairo airport under heavy security; #Egypt parliament speaker to make major announcement – NBC

  293. Jessica Griffon on Fox is saying the situation in Egypt is the equivalent of the Berlin Wall coming down.

  294. Medical Examiner Former Pentagon official, found dead at Del. landfill on Dec. 31, died of blunt force trauma……..murdered?

  295. Mrs. Smith
    January 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    Try reading for comprehension turndown- unless your too busy to note the planet’s axis has changed moving the lon and lat several degrees beyond their original origins.
    “”They lie to the people. They reduce some things and increase others more,” said Muslim Brotherhood demonstrator/leader Suhair Asaaf, an electrical mechanic.”

    ===========

    So it is human-caused? Er, fine, whatever you say.

    /backs away slowly/

  296. Dateline Cairo: Egypt’s parliament speaker now saying that the prez Mubarek has the situation in his safe hands.

  297. “The matters are in safe hands, the safe hands of President Hosni Mubarek, and he will act.”

    and now we Comical Ali……..

  298. BBC: Egyptian Tanks Surround US, UK Embassies
    Posted by Matthew Avitabile on January 28th, 2011

    The BBC is reporting that Egyptian Army tanks have allegedly surrounded the embassies of the United States and United Kingdom. This comes after Israel evacuated its entire embassy staff via helicopter. This is coming in through their live blog, and further details appear scarce. The BBC is quoting an al-Jazeera cable:

    2125: Tanks have surrounded the US and British embassies in Cairo, Al-Jazeera reports.

    This could be a huge, huge problem. This is similar to 1979 when the Islamic rebels took the US Embassy and held hostages for 444 days.

  299. What is he on, Mubarak is delusional.

    Resigned Govt, new Govt, lol, its him they want to go, not the Govt.

    This will have them out on the streets in minutes.

  300. Protestors are now attacking the Information Ministry in Cairo. I don’t think they like what Mubarek said.

  301. Mubarak isn’t willing to give up his power. What is it with these dictators? And he is going to give them a new government so quickly?

    It better not be one with his son.

  302. So the Egyptian govt thinks the western govts are whipping up the protestors and surrounding the US and UK embassies.

  303. Just listened to a ME expert who basically was saying what some of us were saying. There is more than one group driving the protest – those who want a civil society, and the Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood. If Mubarek has a brain, he will step down and give up some power to the civil-society proponents. Because if he stonewalls, then the radicals will have more of a power vacuum to fill when it all goes to chaos.

    Orderly transition favors the sensible moderates. Outright revolution favors the Islamist radicals.

  304. #
    BigCatLover
    January 28th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    So the Egyptian govt thinks the western govts are whipping up the protestors and surrounding the US and UK embassies.
    ——-

    So Barry shuts up and the internet is disconnected for Egypt, and some how the US is whipping up protesters?????
    How, in our dreams?

    Same $hit, different day.

  305. Power vacuums are bad news – and it’s most often the most extreme and violent who step in to fill them (which is what happened in Iran.)

    There need to be some BIG concessions, pronto, to shift power and give an official recognition and governmental voice to the civil-society proponents, or this is going to hell fast.

  306. Nic Robertson of CNN is in Alexandria Egypt and he is saying the people welcomed the army into the streets and said the army will protest us. He is afraid since Mubarek called out the army, they will actually turn on the protestors if they try to force Mubarek out. He seems really worried about this.

  307. Fox is reporting that Obama still has not picked up the phone to talk to Egypt and that Hillary Clinton has made the highest level contact so far by calling her counterpart in Egypt.

  308. Why did this guy say that about Hillary….I was driving to work as this was playing out….Is he implying she can’t make up her mind what to do or what?

    Did you all see that Rand Paul wants to stop all financial aid to Israel??? Can anyone spell Apocolypse? It sure looks bad right now.

  309. Well Hillary is doing her job, she doesnt talk to Presidents thats not her protocol,thats Obama’s job, she talks to Foreign secretaries only. Now if Obama is too lazy………

  310. confloyd
    If you’re asking about Fox, they are just trying to point out that our prez is playing ‘hands off’ on this situation but HRC is on the job, as usual.

  311. ICNA Details 5-Stage Plan for Global Sharia

    From CAN:

    The annual handbook by the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), a major Muslim-American organization calls for Sharia law around the world in five stages, the Investigative Project on Terrorism has discovered.

    The handbook says Muslims need to work towards “a united Islamic state, governed by an elected khalifah in accordance with the laws of shari’ah.” It then describes a five-staged strategy towards reaching that goal. The “levels” include education of oneself; converting the family; outreach to the community; “establish an Islamic society” on the state; and then the creation of a global Islamic Caliphate.

    ICNA has been accused by some experts of being tied to an extremist group called Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan. The group is also listed in the Muslim Brotherhood’s own documents as one of its allies.

    The Investigative Project on Terrorism has previously reported on how a former president of ICNA is under investigation for possible involvement with an extremist group in Bangladesh that carried out political assassinations. The reading list for ICNA’s Young Muslims’ division also includes texts by known extremists.

    “The adoption and adaptation of capitalist, socialist, communist or other manmade systems, either in whole or in part, constitutes a denial of Islam and disbelief in Allah the Lord of the worlds,” states one book recommended by ICNA authored by Fathi Yakin
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    If I’m not mistaken, I read, Seattle has the most concentrated Islamic population in the country.

  312. Group Training Airport Screeners Tied to Muslim Brotherhood

    “As pointed out by Connie Hair at Townhall.com, a comprehensive study by the Center for Security Policy called “Sharia: The Threat to America” warns that MPAC was founded by the radical Muslim Brotherhood.

    “The founders of the Islamic Center for Southern California are Hassan Hathout and his brother Maher Hathout. The late Hassan Hathout was a senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood Movement. The two brothers Maher spent time in an Egyptian prison during the early days of the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities there, led by the Brotherhood’s founder Hassan Al Banna,” the study reports.

    The study also stated that MPAC has been instrumental in influencing the U.S. government to stop using terms like “radical Islam” that indicate a theological connection to terrorism.”

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    Which appears to be a false misrepresentation of who and what their organization truly represents.

    http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=4963

  313. Oh you guys don’t have to convince me that Hillary is doing her job….and thankgoodness we have her there…what/who could we trust that Obama would hire??? Can you imagine Condi Rice in this position right now???

  314. I read on drudge that the tanks have circled the UK/US embassies….is that correct? So are we going to have hostages, or what is happening to our people??

  315. POTUS to make statement on egypt in state dining room in next 15-20 min, we’re told

    must be interrupting his din dins, he’ll be annoyed.

  316. Obama to speak from the WH in approx 5 minutes. Now that Mubarek has spoken, I guess Obama can now too.

  317. For anyone that isn’t in front of tv, this site is really doing a good job of livestreaming…you do have to refresh when it seems to run out in about an hour.

    Seems to give a lot of new on Egypt and it protest.

    Sorry it’s AJ, but I will take what I can get here at work.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

    Pres of Egypt speaking now

  318. Wow, this is from a Brit newsite, not sure if it’s true:

    The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

    On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

    He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.

    The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.

    The disclosures, contained in previously secret US diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, show American officials pressed the Egyptian government to release other dissidents who had been detained by the police.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

  319. confloyd
    Obama said he called Mubarek and that the US is calling on the Egyptian govt to open back up the internet and social networking. No big surprises in his speech.

  320. I am at work and missed some of Barry’s yackin’ confloyd, but he seemed to hedge and keep calling for non violence and also giving the people a chance to air their grievances.

  321. The problem I see with toppling Mubarek is that there is no one designated to take his place. He has not appointed a vice president and the only one he seems to have allowed to be groomed is his son. What happens if he goes down.

  322. It was announced, shutting down the Internet fueled the violence. It’s what people do when they treasure their freedom.

  323. OMG, even Wolf Blitzer questioning Obama waiting to talk to Mubarek after Mubarek made his speech to the Egyptian people. Blitzer saying wouldn’t it have been better for Obama to have talked to him before he spoke to the people of Egypt.

  324. So he didn’t say anything more than Gibb’s? What a waste of 400,000 a year we pay this idiot to be our President…plus all those date nights and vacations for Sleeveless….

    Rand Paul wants to cut aid to Israel…lets cut BO and Sleeveless first!

  325. Egyptian Ambassador to US saying the son is still in Cairo but he does not know where Mrs. Mubarek is (CNN).

  326. They take the wives out and the children, then its bad! I guess they left the conkubines though?? Sorry I don’t know how to spell it, LOL!

  327. OMG- Protesters picking up Tear Gas cannisters from the ground seeing MADE IN THE USA… as a sign the US is working with Mubarek.

    No wonder Obama is in hiding!

  328. Pundit on fox saying yet another ally that the US has armed to the teeth is on the brink of falling and losing all our arms to someone else.

  329. Did you all see that Rand Paul wants to stop all financial aid to Israel??? Can anyone spell Apocolypse? It sure looks bad right now.

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    confloyd, you have to look at the context. This is what he said, when asked about the deep cuts in his budget plan:

    Interviewer Wolf Blitzer then asked about foreign assistance, asking if he wanted to end “all foreign aid.” Paul said yes, and Blitzer asked him about aid to Israel.

    “Well, I think what you have to do is you have to look,” Paul said. “When you send foreign aid, you actually [send] quite a bit to Israel’s enemies. Islamic nations around Israel get quite a bit of foreign aid, too.

    “You have to ask yourself, are we funding an arms race on both sides? I have a lot of sympathy and respect for Israel as a democratic nation, as a, you know, a fountain of peace and a fountain of democracy within the Middle East.”

    Blitzer pressed, “End all foreign aid including the foreign aid to Israel as well. Is that right?” he asked.

    Paul answered, “Yes.”

    This was a setup. The question was asked in context of the budget, and Paul is in favor of ending ALL foreign aid. Whether you agree with him or not (and I don’t), that’s hardly an anti-Israel position.

    Jerk Blitzer kept pressing him on it, just so that the media would have a quote and an excuse to blare headlines that basically imply: “Rand Paul is a Joooooooo-hating anti-semite who wants to abandon Israel!!!!!!!!!!”

  330. Decision to make public comments came at a 4pm WH meeting w/Biden, Clinton, Donilon, Daley and Mullen among others.

    so Obama had to be pushed into making comments…i knew it.

  331. H4T,
    What I’m saying is that Paul should not of even mentioned that…we can’t leave our allies…antisemitism is growing in this country….There’s lots of people who want us to quit helping Israel…I just know we can’t trust Obama!
    I know both Paul’s are against foreign aid and war, but that is not even right…they both are just plain weird!

  332. Moon,
    Obama is afraid of his own shadow! He is worst than Jimmy Carter.

    Have they got our embassy staff out yet, or are they going to do it!

  333. BigCatLover
    January 28th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    He did not allow any reporters questions when he was done.
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    He wouldn’t have had a clue how to answer any of them anyway.

  334. confloyd, I disagree with him about cutting all foreign aid to everyone. But he’s a libertarian, and they take a strict non-interventionsist, mind-our-own business position in all foreign affairs.

    My point was that Rand Paul did not mention Israel. He was merely talking about cutting ALL foreign aid in general. Blitzer is the one who kept bringing up Israel. Why? Why did he do that? It’s not because Blitzer is some big champion for Israel. It was to capture a “quote” so that they could run with the story – “Rand says cut all aid to Israel!!!!!!! ZOMG!!!!!” It’s so that they had an excuse to subtly paint Rand as a Jew-hater.

    Which he’s not. He’s WRONG on the foreign aid thing, but his views aren’t aimed at any particular nation.

  335. H4T,
    Yes I know what Paul stand’s for, but let me quote Hillary here…it would be nice if the skies opened up, light shown down and everyone would just love each and get along…and we would not have to spend any money on wars and such….yeah right!

    I know that BM is trying to get a stupid point across!

  336. Unrest in Egypt: President Mubarak dissolves Cabinet after night of protests
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    Many Egyptians defied a government curfew Friday night and faced stinging police tear gas as they marched for change.

    Follow live streaming video coverage of the unrest in Egypt or read full coverage updated continually by CNN reporters worldwide.

    Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of Egypt’s major cities on Friday, prompting the government to deploy the army to keep the peace for the first time since unrest began Tuesday. Protesters are demanding an end to President Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year-rule. Here are the latest developments as confirmed by CNN.

    [Updated 6:40 p.m. (0140 in Egypt)] U.S. President Barack Obama called on Egyptian authorities Friday to refrain from violence and to reverse any actions they have taken to limit access to the internet in the wake of protests there.

    Obama said he spoke to the Egyptian president after he announced plans to dissolve his government and take steps with a new cabinet to implement reforms that will revitalize the economy and create more jobs.

    “I told him he has a responsibility to give meaning to those words, to take concrete steps and actions that deliver on that promise.”

    [Updated 6:15 p.m. (0115 in Egypt)] President Mubarak’s announcement that he was going to dissolve the government Saturday did not sit well with some protesters.

    “Mubarak just blamed the government. We will continue our demonstrations until we get our full demands. We want him to leave. His time is over,” said Ahmed, a 19-year-old law student demonstrator in Central Alexandria’s Raml Square.

    “We are one of the richest Arab countries and we want to live. Let a new government form but if we don’t get what we ask for, we will go back to the streets again and again,” said Mohammed, a 20- year-old student.

    [Updated 5:45 p.m. (0045 in Egypt)] Protesters in the streets of Cairo are calling for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to leave, chanting in unison “we don’t want him.” The people in the streets represent all walks of life, from young people to families with children, CNN’s Frederik Pleitgen reports.

    [Updated 5:31 p.m. (0031 in Egypt)] Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak says he has asked the government to resign so he can appoint a new government Saturday. He gave no indication that he would step down or leave the country.

    [Updated 5:27 p.m. (0027 in Egypt)] President Hosni Mubarak said he is “on the side of the people” and vowed to take steps to guarantee the rights and freedom of Egyptians, develop job opportunities and to “stand by the poor.”

    He said early Saturday he sees a fine line “between freedom and chaos” and that he would work to secure both freedom and security in Egypt.

  337. Yeah, confloyd, that’s why I say he is wrong on his idea. Isolationism doesn’t work in today’s world. I just wanted to point out that his comment was not about Israel specifically, and Blitzer was a dick to try to make it seem so.

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