What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted?

Update: We’ve posted some of Jared Loughner’s youtubes in the comments section.

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Update: The likely shooter of Congresswoman Giffords has been identified as Jared Laughner or more likely Jared Loughner. A photograph of Loughner can be seen HERE. The photo was taken during Tucson’s Festival Of Books, where he volunteered.

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Cheap and sleazy. We confess. Cheap and sleazy. It is a cheap and sleazy ploy on our behalf. We wanted an excuse to post a certain music video and we have found one. It’s a love ballad by Jimmy Ruffin (“It is a ballad, with lead singer Jimmy Ruffin recalling the pain that befalls the brokenhearted, and their struggle to overcome their sadness so that they can find happiness in the future of their lives.”):



As I walk this land of broken dreams… I know I’ve got to find some kind of peace of mind.” Such sad lyrics….

How we weep for “the broken-hearted who had love that’s now departed“:

“The appointment of Bill Daley to the top staff job in the Obama White House has dealt the final blow to a dearly held fantasy of parts of the left: that a truly liberal president has been ill-served and misinterpreted by Rahm Emanuel and other center-right aides.

The sounds of hearts finally breaking come from key quadrants of the Democratic Party — labor, ethnic groups and the gay community — who had tried to convince themselves for two years that President Barack Obama was still the liberal crusader they had come to believe he was during the 2008 campaign; it was just that his West Wing staff wouldn’t let Obama be Obama.”

Oh how we suffer for the broken-hearted! It’s not like we didn’t try to warn them (by “them” we mean “women, gays, Jews“, etc). But fools will be fools:

“First, when progressives were disappointed, they blamed it on Rahm. Then (interim chief of staff Pete) Rouse came in and they had the same problems,” said one senior labor official. “It’s going to be the same thing with Daley, but folks don’t see the point in trashing him, because it’s going to be the same pattern [of] decisions from the top.”

There’s a sense of resignation and fatalism,” the official said.”

Oh what will they do with their broken-hearts? And Valentine’s Day is next month! Perhaps they will go on the Maury Povich Show and get DNA tests to force a shotgun wedding.

“Since Obama’s campaign for president, a debate has raged in progressive circles — as on the right — about who he really is. Elements of his biography and his style — his roots as a community organizer, his early romance with Chicago Mayor Harold Washington (an independent and a liberal), and above all his opposition to the Iraq war — made him easy to see as a man of the left, the heir of George McGovern, not Bill Clinton.

His Democratic primary rivals, led by former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, and some liberal bloggers, made the case in vain that Obama was clearly positioning himself as a conciliatory man of the center, not a hero of the left. But his core of support among left-leaning elements of the party — young people and African-Americans — cemented the perception in some circles that he was a liberal Democrat, and conservative commentators worked overtime to make the label stick.”

We don’t recall John Edwards ever leading any anti-Obama anything. John Edwards treated Barack Obama as if B.O. was Reille Hunter – a love on the down low. We recall Edwards campaign boss Joe Trippi going out to drink and cavort with Obama campaigners in Iowa. We recall Edwards repeatedly aligning himself with Barack Obama against Hillary Clinton. We recall Edwards being the attack dog for Barack Obama and accusing Hillary Clinton of representing the “status quo” because she told the truth about poor dear ol’ Barack. We recall Elizabeth Edwards saying Johnny “are you my daddy?” Edwards was the real “woman’s candidate” and creeps at NARAL agreeing with her. But Hell, that’s blood under the bridge.

What is important is that dumb black people and dumb white people chose to ignore reality and deluded themselves that Barack Obama was something he was not. This delusion was carefully crafted by Democratic Party leaders like Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry along with many others and wantonly repeated by Big Media and Big Blog Boys.

Now the dummies who were betrayed by Big Blog Boys and the leadership of organizations that did know better are all weepy and broken-hearted:

“So, Obama has now again chosen a conciliatory, centrist tack, and chosen as his top aide a leading spokesman for the center-left, a man with an affinity for business, ties to Wall Street and no known interest in liberal priorities like gay rights. And the reality is sinking in.

“There’s a recognition that the president determines his agenda,” said Neera Tanden, the chief operating officer of the Center for American Progress, and until recently, a senior advisor for health reform inside the administration.

The statement of AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka Thursday captured the sense, particularly in labor circles, that there’s no longer any point in blaming Obama’s subordinates. Many of Trumka’s constituents loathe Daley for his role shepherding NAFTA in 1993, but the muted statement smacked of resignation, not anger.”

Resignation. Sigh. It’s the end of a love affair. Tears will be shed. They must not have seen the clues. He just wasn’t that into them. And now he’s gone. They don’t even have his new cell phone number.

Some of the former lovers are now “bitter”. Perhaps “clingy”. But definitely bitter:

“Other organizations — particularly those that define themselves on conflict with the center-left — openly blasted the Daley choice.

“The announcement that William Daley, who has close ties to the Big Banks and Big Business, will now lead the White House staff is troubling and sends the wrong message to the American people,” said MoveOn chief Justin Ruben.”

The dolts at Move-On must have missed that news item that Obama missed the vote about Move-On – he was never there for them and only now they realize they have been used. It’s hard to decide who is worthy of more derision.

As contemptible as Move-On is, Big Labor is even more pathetic:

“But some labor leaders warn that Obama has alienated some workers who could be swing voters in key states in 2012.

“President Obama will need an energized and mobilized base to win in 2012 — it is not to be taken for granted,” said Steve Rosenthal, a Democratic consultant who works with labor unions, in an e-mail. The “agenda over the next two years — and what the president is seen fighting for — will be critical. “

“‘Resignation’ is probably the right word for where people are right now,” he said. “The danger is if the ‘resignation’ slips into ‘disillusionment, anger and or frustration.’”

After two years of treachery all these clods can muster is “resignation”. Eventually they plan to move-on to “disillusionment” then “anger”, then “frustration” – maybe. For now the plan is to hang by the phone and wait for him to call.

Someday these whimpering simps will learn that the best way to get over a broken heart is to find someone new.

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381 thoughts on “What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted?

  1. Just in : Rep Giffords was shot point blank in the head apparently, injuries very serious according to CNN.

    Shooter is in custody, motive as yet unknown.

  2. One Democratic source says shooter called out names of people as aiming at targets.

    Local operative on the ground says Rep. Grijalva’s staff have been put on alert as well.

  3. that the “shooter started shooting indiscriminately”, per Fox News, there was a eyewitness who said someone came and just started shooting in the crowd near the Safeway store.

  4. Reuters and Sky News Uk

    FLASH: Congresswoman Gifford dies after being shot in the head at public appearance in Tucson, Arizona

  5. Admin: the betayal of the left was evident when the Obama people regeged on their promise to give convention seats to grass roots leftists in California, and gave them instead to well heeled (not a mispelling) and their mistresses. That was a tell, but the leftists stepped aside because they were too thrilled and inspired not to. I hope they are equally inspired now that the final door has been opened and like our little amigo Jerry Rivers was heard to say Oh my God, where is he? No boys and girls, there is no Santa Claus, not princess (except for Michelle)under enchantment, and no Messiah Obama. You got had by corporate America, so it is high time you looked in the mirror and stopped lying to yourself. Will they? Not a chance. They are not serious people, they are fashionistas, and their grasp of politics and governing is at best a mile wide and six inches deep.

  6. Giffords used to be a republican per Fox, she is a pretty conservative democrat, voted against Pelosi as speaker.

    This is such sad news. She wanted to cut congress’s salary, she was a good public servant. Prayers to all her family and all who are still affected.

  7. Fox news now saying she has died, hospital says several have passed away incl. the congresswoman acc to Fox News

  8. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    This event is going to be something commonplace. I felt it strongly last night and remarked about it on the previous. This is a precurser of things to come. People have gone from the disappointment of Obama, to the dashed hopes of HELP forthcoming from a newly forming Congress. Now to a simmering rage ready to explode at politicos.

    In their mind’s eye thinking:

    “NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION” bringing with it thoughts of mass rebellion against all government officials. Patience and promises have run out…

    The piper must be paid-

  9. Mop,
    This is just horrible, she was a beautiful lady, prolly has kids. I wonder what this person looks like. I pray he is not black…this will touch off something horrid.
    My prayers to her family and all those who died with her….OMG!

  10. I’m really wondering as to the reason?

    Was this someone who just wanted a high profile killing (there is enough nutcases around), or for some political revenge or whatever?

  11. tim, maybe a mob hit…afterall she was a conservative democrat. I hope Hillary and Bill stay safe, this is freaking scary!

    They’ll dream up some other story though, we will never know the truth!

  12. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    moon – I was just thinking that, of course you should read that the lunatics at the Daily Kooks wrote about her when she voted against Pelosi 2 days ago. But they will no doubt use her as a political football, I remember at DU website, the utter vile nonsense they would write about Hillary in 2008, it was absolutely disgusting.

    I’m surprised that Steve King is a very good friend of hers. He is very conservative, but they were good friends apparently, he was speaking on Fox.

    This is just such sad news for all those who were victims of this tragedy.

  13. Oh yeah, for sure Glenn Beck causing all this hate against democrats has nothing to do with all this….it will be interesting to see what the motive is. Arizona could be a drug hit.

  14. Reuters FLASH: Congresswoman Giffords still alive, in surgery, nine other patients brought in from shooting: Hospital says.

  15. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    I just read that the idiot Alan Colmes is already blaming Sarah Palin. He needs to shut the hell up. I am so sick of this, Alan Colmes has to be one of the biggest idiots I have even seen on TV.

  16. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Agreed. Very irresponsible, but I’ve learned from how Hillary and Bill was treated in 2008 just how vile these far left people are. I had to cancel MSNBC as well as CNN.

    Huh. now the hospital representative is saying she is alive and in surgery. A local sheriff just tweeted this.

  17. tim:

    I just read that the idiot Alan Colmes is already blaming Sarah Palin. He needs to shut the hell up. I am so sick of this, Alan Colmes has to be one of the biggest idiots I have even seen on TV.
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    Colmes is a bomb thower and shit stirrer. His outrageous incindeary comments are always colossal insults and always misplaced at the wrong person.

  18. just heard she is friends with JD Hayworth as well as Steve King, wow, she must be a pretty conservative democrat, no wonder she voted against Pelosi.

    Now, Fox says she is alive and in surgery. I hope everyone who was hurt by this insanity makes it ok, praying for all who were hurt.

  19. Mrs. Smith
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    You nailed it in your post, do you remember how vile he was against Hillary in ’08? he was disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

  20. I can tell you the nutjobs I’ve taken care in the last two days have all been on a roll. Sometimes its like they all go off at the same time.

    I wonder what he was shouting? She sounded like she might of even been Presidential, she voted against Pooplosi and voted for John Lewis….well that’s weird!

    OMG, she is jewish!

  21. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/08/2011-01-08_us_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_arizona_multiple_wounded.html

    Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and six others were shot by a lone gunman Saturday morning during a scheduled public event outside a Tuscon grocery store, according to an NPR report.

    Despite earlier reports that the Congresswoman was killed, Reuters and Politico reported that she is in surgery.

    The Pima County sheriff’s office told NPR that six others at the event were killed.

    Giffords, 40, was chatting with a couple in her district when the shooter opened fire from about four feet away.

    The shooter, described as a man in his teens or early 20s, was tackled by a bystander as he ran from the scene, according to NPR.

    The gunfire erupted around 10 a.m. during the “Congress at Your Corner” event outside a Safeway store. A witness told CNN that 15 to 20 gunshots were fired during the shooting spree.

    Giffords was shot along with members of her staff, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

    The Congresswoman is known for cracking down on illegal immigration, urging deployment of the National Guard and new technology to protect the Arizona border.

    Before her election to Congress in 2006, the Arizona native served in the state legislature.

    Her husband, Capt. Mark Kelly, is a Navy pilot, a Desert Storm veteran and an astronaut.

    She was one of 20 vulnerable Democrats singled out by ex-GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for defeat in the 2010 elections.

  22. I’m tending to think, given the age of the shooter, this may well be a media glory shooter, looking for his infamy.

  23. “She was one of 20 vulnerable Democrats singled out by ex-GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for defeat in the 2010 elections.”

    Liberal media at its best, what does this have to do with anything??? I’m sure Alan Colmes is taking notes.

  24. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    I agree, I am thinking its some lunatic person, looking for infamy.

  25. Mrs. Smith
    January 8th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    You nailed it in your post, do you remember how vile he was against Hillary in ‘08? he was disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
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    Yes, Tim, I do- His remarks were always devisive bringing up the past always with a obnoxious ending to his comment.
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    Anyone know if they captured the shooter using a semi-automatic weapon?

  26. Mrs.Smith — the shooter was shot and then captured, Fox said when he started shooting, the crowd overpowered him, and then police shot him and then captured him

  27. Just heard 11 people attending the meeting with Congressman Gifford were hurt. The gunamn got off 15 to 20 rounds of ammunition…in a matter of seconds.

    The gunman was wrestled to the ground by passersby near the shooting. (white male early to mid 20s)

  28. I really hope the shooter doesn’t die because we need to find out all pertinent information from him. Of coarse, after getting all the info out of him, the electric chair is too good for him.

  29. She was known for cracking down on illegal immigration. The unrelated notion that she was targeted for electoral defeat is utterly irrelevant in this context. Any democrat in a red district is vulnerable. Likewise any republican in a blue district is vulnerable. That has always been the formula. Common decency militates against the use of this tragic incident for political purposes–absent a showing that this was a hit ordered by a drug cartel. I doubt it will show anything like that. Nevertheless big media will attempt to exploit this anyway they can. The American People need to see through it. What I suspect is that when this thing gets sorted out we will discover that it was the act of a deranged mind that was incapable of formulating criminal intent and his lawyer will plead insanity. And for those who claim this proves that we must take guns off the street, the rebuttal has to be people like this will always get guns and law abiding citizens need guns to protect themselves since law enforcement has proven itself incapable in some cases and indifferent in others. They really should leave politics out of it and focus on the personal tragedy, which is a private not a public event.
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    Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and six others were shot by a lone gunman Saturday morning during a scheduled public event outside a Tuscon grocery store, according to an NPR report.

    Despite earlier reports that the Congresswoman was killed, Reuters and Politico reported that she is in surgery.

    The Pima County sheriff’s office told NPR that six others at the event were killed.

    Giffords, 40, was chatting with a couple in her district when the shooter opened fire from about four feet away.

    The shooter, described as a man in his teens or early 20s, was tackled by a bystander as he ran from the scene, according to NPR.

    The gunfire erupted around 10 a.m. during the “Congress at Your Corner” event outside a Safeway store. A witness told CNN that 15 to 20 gunshots were fired during the shooting spree.

    Giffords was shot along with members of her staff, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

    The Congresswoman is known for cracking down on illegal immigration, urging deployment of the National Guard and new technology to protect the Arizona border.

    Before her election to Congress in 2006, the Arizona native served in the state legislature.

    Her husband, Capt. Mark Kelly, is a Navy pilot, a Desert Storm veteran and an astronaut.

    She was one of 20 vulnerable Democrats singled out by ex-GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for defeat in the 2010 elections.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/08/2011-01-08_us_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shot_in_arizona_multiple_wounded.html#ixzz1ATX2zgAH

  30. She was one of 20 vulnerable Democrats singled out by ex-GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin for defeat in the 2010 elections.

    …………………………

    She was named one of the most vulnerable by just about everyone, but hey they all love a cheap shot at Sarah Palin.

  31. Confloyd,

    reports are trickling in with more info- I imagine they are questioning witnesses to the event and have them corraled nearby before letting the go free to talk to the press.
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    Jennifer Johnson on now. She is head of the AZ Dem Committee giving background on Gifford.
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    Laterst report on status of her condition. Hospital staff: she was talking as she was rolled into surgery.. nothing further. (good sign if true.)

  32. Strange quote from Obama: “senseless, terrible act of violence”. Obama out for new conference momentarily.

  33. Eric Erickson–

    A terrible tragedy today. Rep. Giffords of Arizona was gunned down and, though early reports were that she is dead, the hospital is confirming, as of this writing, that she is alive and in surgery. 11 others were apparently shot and six others are dead.

    I spent an hour with Rep. Giffords a few months ago. She and I were sitting in Jim Bohannon’s studio with Robert Reich was on the air. She’d driven him over to the studio. We chatted for an hour. We disagreed on much. She was extremely, exceedingly nice.

    My prayers are for her and her family.

    Unfortunately, the left is using this tragedy to score political points. Rep. Giffords was on Gov. Palin’s target list for defeat this past November. The left claims Gov. Palin has blood on her hands. So does the tea party movement.

    Less than a year ago a gunman stormed into the Discovery Channel’s headquarters, taking hostages and threatening to kill them all. The left immediately accused the man of being a tea party activist.

    Unfortunately for the left, the man turned out to be an envirowacko leftist raised on Algore’s global warming garbage.

    Immediately, the left changed their tune and proclaimed that no longer could we as partisans accuse each other of causing things like this. There are just crazy people in the world and tragedies happen.

    My, my how quickly they forget.

    The truth is there is evil in this world. Evil exists where God does not and as we drive God further and further away, evil creeps in more and more. Today was not a random act of violence. It was a profound evil.

    Let’s not pretend it wasn’t. Let’s not pretend evil does not exist.

    But let’s not let the left, yet again, spin this against the tea party movement, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Sarah Palin inciting violence. That’s both a profound lie and just another, though lesser, bit of evil.

  34. per Fox, the “gunman started shooting, and then a person in the crowd shot the gunman, the crowd overpowered him, the authorities then captured him”

    I guess AZ has concealed weapons law.

  35. She was shot in the temple and it came out the front somewhere, she is responding to commands…just reported.

  36. Federal Judge John M. Roll killed in Arizona attack, NBC News reports

    Roll is a federal judge on the United States District Court for the District of Arizona. Roll was nominated by President George H.W. Bush on September 23, 1991, to a seat vacated by Alfred C. Marquez. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on November 22, 1991, and received his commission on November 25, 1991. He served as chief judge from 2006.

  37. Reported on Fox that rumors are the gunman was an Afghanistan Veteran.

    http://mainstreetradical.com/2011/01/08/az-rep-giffords-at-least-4-others-shot-by-gunman/

    Eyewitness Account

    We spoke to an eyewitness, Steven Rayle, who was on the scene at the time of the shooting and helped to hold the suspect down while waiting for police. Here’s what he said: The event was very informal: Gifford had set up a table outside the Safeway and about 20-30 people were gathered to talk to her. The gunman, who may have come from inside the Safeway, walked up and shot Gifford in the head first, “point blank”. According to Rayle, who is a former ER doctor, Gifford was able to move her hands after being shot. After shooting Gifford, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a few seconds, firing 20-30 rounds and hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than 10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead. When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee, but a member of Gifford’s staff tackled him. Rayle helped hold the gunman down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-to-20 minutes later. The EMS came about 30 minutes later. Rayle said he was “stunned” by how long it took medical help to arrive. Update 12:30: Hospital officials comment that Giffords is still holding on in Surgery and is responding to commands. Officers off the record are saying that they heard Giffords was dead at the scene (maybe revived later?) and that FBI has taken over the the investigation. The FBI is looking into an additional shooter. It is unclear if that shooter is one who would have been working with the gunman in custody or the person who shot the gunman.

  38. I had a close friend who was a senior attorney with the Airline Pilots association, worked for the State Department as a hostage negotiator and thereafter became a management lawyer with a prestigious corporate firm at 1 California Street in San Francisco which is now defunct. He was originally from Brooklyn but lived in the Berkley Hills. We worked together on some difficult negotiations with mob dominated unions at JFK airport. One afternoon, a gunman entered the lobby of that firm and created a commotion. My friend was in an adjacent conference room and he walked out into the lobby to confront the disturbance. As he approached the man pulled out a gun and began firing. He shot my friend shot dead. There were a few other victims–junior attorneys and paralegals. This was a disgruntled client who had lost his case, and he blamed them for it. These people are not political players, there are just crazy. To read more into their motives is usually just as crazy.

  39. A truly horrific act. Prays to Representative Giffords and all of the victims of this senseless act.

  40. a federal judge might have been killed as well, this is just getting worse and worse.
    Fox News is saying that this federal judge had many threats against him recently.

    This is just so sad.

  41. So a Republican judge was killed. Well, that sort of takes some of the partisan wind out of their sails, one would think. It sort of negates the Sara Palin angle to this whole thing. If he is an Afganistan veteran, then perhaps we should think about what Obama’s war is doing to the soldiers who fight there. Maybe that is the angle responsible journalists ought to be exploring. Obviously, the word responsible rules out big media. Lets see if there is anything to this story about an additional shooter. If that is true, then there would be an element of premeditation and deliberation.

  42. Nice job of reporting by NPR–they had her dead, but fortunately it now appears she is pulling through.

  43. Some of these journalists are thick as shit.

    Doctor : Giffords is out of surgery and responsive to commands.

    Journo : Is she in a coma?

    Now she’d hardly be in a coma if she was responsive to commands. Idiots.

    A 9 year old child has died. RIP little one.

  44. “So a Republican judge was killed.”

    I just looked up his bio on wikipedia, he was appointed by Bush ’41.

    oh… and now Waffles is going to speak.

  45. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved. I didn’t think obama’s comment was strange. It was a senseless and violent act.

  46. A 9 year old child has died. RIP little one.
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    That is the biggest tragedy of all . . . .

  47. God, I hope Bambi does not come out with something crass for once or try early point scoring.

    Please don’t or i will be furious as hell.

  48. Waffles is comning on to speak, better find the remote control.

    I’m more interesting in listening to the gov. of az, Brewer, as well as the hospital’s hourly assements of the victims.

  49. His name may Jared Loughner.

    Press speculating he is complete nutjob, listing favourites as Communist manifesto, Mein Kamph, anti Govt, mind control and conspiracy.

    If thats him, nothing was going to stop him.

  50. Jared Lee Laughner YouTube site–he has videos posted with commentary. They just read them on Fox News

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

    Here’s what he lists about himself

    Name:Jared Lee LoughnerChannel Views:271Joined:October 25, 2010

    Website:http://Myspace.com/fallenasleep

    About Me: My name is Jared Lee Loughner! Hometown:TucsonCountry:United StatesSchools:I attended school: Thornydale elementary,Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College.Interests:My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!

    Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*)Music:Pass me the strings!

    Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

  51. 7 Stages of Grief… just in time for 2012

    1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
    You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

    2. PAIN & GUILT-
    As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.

    You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn’t do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.

    3. ANGER & BARGAINING-
    Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the death on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.

    You may rail against fate, questioning “Why me?” You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair (“I will never drink again if you just bring him back”)

  52. One noticable thing, all his writing on Youtube and whatever are put in the past tense… I had books, I was, I did.

    everything past tense.

    They are saying, he was very liberal, very left wing and obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.

    I think some people may be issuing apologies, if this is correct.

  53. I’m just going to wait for law enforcement and the doctors to say their piece. The frenzy by news people to get in first will unconfirmed news is as bad as the 24/7 news when John F. Kennedy Jr. died.

    I have never understood what comes over the media at times like these. It’s almost vulture-like.

    jmo

  54. His favorite books:

    I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

  55. This guy had flag burning stuff and anti govt and communist manifesto….that is not right wing in anyway, thats Obama territory.

  56. More ramblings from Loughner. This is posted with a video he calls “America: Your Last Memory in a Terrorist Country”. Film shows a guy with face covered going up to an American flag posted in the desert.

    This is what he posted with the video:

    If there’s no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
    There’s no flag in the constitution.
    Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
    Burn every new and old flag that you see.
    Burn your flag!
    I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
    Watch this protest in reverse!
    Ask the local police; “What’s your illegal activity on duty?”.
    If you protest the government then there’s a new government from protesting.
    There’s not a new government from protesting.
    Thus, you aren’t protesting the government.
    There’s something important in this video: There’s no communication to anyone in this location.
    You shouldn’t be afraid of the stars.
    There’s a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there’s no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It’s with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there’s only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
    I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.
    On the other hand, welcome yourself to the desert: Maybe your ability to protest is from the brainwash of the current government structure

  57. He also posted this under the “How To: Mind Controller” video……

    If you’re editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century then the writer for every belief and religion is you.

    You’re editing of every belief and religion reaches the final century.

    Thus, the writer for every belief and religion is you.

    You control every — thought, action, and lifestyle — for the person or people as the mind controller.

    I’m able to control every belief and religion by being the mind controller

  58. I knew it, they are changing their tune…Maddow : No point speculating on motives of shooter. An hour ago, they were baying for Palin’s blood.

  59. Great post, Admin.

    I just can’t wait until the nitwits that are hanging on to the Hope coat tails of their Dear Leader, finally have a light bulb moment and realize he has used them as tools and has spent their donations for his perpetual vacations.

    All that kept empting their bank accounts to ‘elect’ him, are now realizing they were nothing more than a one night stand.

    This Geico ad pretty much sums up my sympathy for all broken hearted Obama supporters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA

  60. admin — total nutjob. I watched one of the rambling, again, sounds like a way leftist perhaps, but more like a total extreme nutjob.

  61. admin — HillBuzz has the Daily Kooks posting on Giffords, really really nasty; they removed it this afternoon, but HillBuzz had already captured all the posts, replies, thread, etc.

  62. Jesus…..it gets worse……………….Anarchist left wing crazy, apparently gay and interested to become transgendered. The guy was wacko seriously mentally disturbed i think.

    Jared Loughner
    Has worked at Child Protective Services
    Studied at Pima Community College
    Lives in Tucson, Arizona

    Education and Work
    Employers •
    Child Protective Services

    ________________________________________
    College •
    Pima Community College

    ________________________________________
    High School •
    Mountain View High School
    Class of 2006

    Basic Information
    About Jared
    Love hunting trolls and children, I want to be a woman one day…

    Most people just don’t seem to understand me, but I’m gonna prove to you all how wrong you are…

    My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college!

    Fools who don’t understand the law are bound to suffer under it!
    ________________________________________
    Sex Male
    ________________________________________
    Interested In Men

  63. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    That’s because a republican federal judge was murdered as well. Of course MSNBC is the same pretigious network had called for “Hillary to be take to a woodshed”, I am misquoting Keith Olberpervert, it was much worse, but something along those lines.

  64. Yeah that Kos dick tweeted earlier apparently “Mission Accomplished, Sarah Palin”. I hope she sues his ass off.

  65. *she, sorry meant to say in the last post.

    That Kos site is pure $hit, it was in 2008, and continues to be to this day, I will never forget what was said about Hillary and then Sarah.

  66. Huh. so this loon’s fav. book is “The Communist Manifesto.” Explains lot. I expect the media to of course not cover any of this.

  67. Jesus please do not let this guy be gay as is being inferred….you can imagine the uproar about gays in the military and guns and DADT shit hitting the fan.

  68. Well, for what it’s worth, he seems to have read classics rather than focusing on a political slant. But what slant there is, seems to be Anti-Communist.

    Anti-Communist — Animal Farm, Brave New World, We The Living

    Pro-Communist and pro-Fascist — The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf

    Classics: The Republic, and Meno.

    Modern classics (mildly leftist?) — Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp, To Kill A Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451,

    n/a — The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland,Peter Pan, Through The Looking Glass, Phantom Toll Booth, Gulliver’s Travels,

    The only clearly political book is WE THE LIVING. Orwell’s have other reasons for being classics, but the slant of the list, if any, is politically Anti-Communist. Anyone interested might read the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.

  69. 1. BACK THEN: Less than a year ago a gunman stormed into the Discovery Channel’s headquarters, taking hostages and threatening to kill them all. The left immediately accused the man of being a tea party activist. Unfortunately for the left, the man turned out to be an envirowacko leftist raised on Algore’s global warming garbage.

    Immediately, the left changed their tune and proclaimed that no longer could we as partisans accuse each other of causing things like this. There are just crazy people in the world and tragedies happen.

    2. AND NOW: I knew it, they are changing their tune…Maddow : No point speculating on motives of shooter. An hour ago, they were baying for Palin’s blood.

    3. CONCLUSION: The Big Media is so blinded by hate that they are inclined to hang the wrong person–every time. They are right out of the old Hollywood movie The Oxford Incident. They are dangerous to have around. And they never own up to their mistakes and failing judgment. Pride–the never failing vice of fools. Why then should we rely on their judgment for anything. Just remember they had her dead when she wasn’t and before they had the true facts they leaped to the wrong conclusion in order to suit their prejudices and pre existing political designs.

  70. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47252.html

    Almost immediately after the shooting of Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords some Democrats and liberals pointed fingers on Twitter and the web at the tea party movement and Sarah Palin, while Republicans and conservatives urged people not to rush to judgment or politicize the ghastly shooting before the facts were in.
    Either way, the political discourse was already taking shape solidly around whether the often-angry rhetoric of the past two years had played a role.

    Liberal blogger and Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas fired off a series of tweets rapping Palin and conservative pundits over their rhetoric.

    “Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin,” Kos tweeted soon after word of the shooting broke, a reference to the target list of congressmembers who voted in support of health care reform that the former Alaska governor and conservative icon created on the six-month anniversary of ObamaCare.

    Palin, the original Grizzly Mama, also had a famous line about how conservatives should not retrench, but instead should “reload.”

    “How dare people ‘politicize’ a political assassination!” Moulitsas said in another tweet, which came just as most news outlets were pulling back initial reports that Giffords had died, correcting them to say instead that she was badly wounded and in surgery.

    But those commenting on Palin’s Facebook page were equal parts supportive and casting blame.

    “What happened to Fire and Reload? Are your maps updated yet Mrs. Palin?” asked one commenter.

    Another said, “You just had to know it wouldn’t take those left-wing loons long to blame it on Sarah. May the Lord be with you Gabrielle. I will pray for you.”

    Kos’s words were met with pushback from conservative Andrew Breitbart, who tweeted, “For the love of God, @markos. Stop it. Don’t go there, trust me. Trust me. Trust me. You will not like the blow-back, I assure you.”

    On her Facebook page, Sarah Palin issued her own brief statement calling for “peace.”

    The New York Post quoted Giffords’ weeping father, who said, when asked if the congresswoman had enemies: “Yeah…the whole Tea Party.”

  71. When I saw who the author of the comments in Admins post exonerating Obama for breaking his promises to the left, presenting Obama as a man of the center and characterizing Daley as a respectable businessman rather than the scion of the most corrupt political machine in any supposed democracy in the western hemisphere, I thought of that old joke about a village somewhere in America that is missing its idiot. I would have assumed they were talking about Bush, but I now know they were really talking about Ben Smith. He is a complete idiot, and if you think his writing is delusional, you should see him on those rare occasions where he goes on television to express and attempts to defend his hyper partisan view. Ben the Idiot, or if you prefer Idiot Smith, the pride of Politico.

  72. I have a friend that lives not far from that intersection. You cannot get anywhere near there at this point.

    I went to CNN to listen, and unfortuantely, they brought on a democratic commentator. He immediately started to blame the other parties as there was such antaganism in the last election. To CNN credit, they stopped him and reminded him that we don’t really know the motive for this at this point. He then reminded everyone he was not a journalists, but a commentator. CNN has not rerun that segment. With what we know now, it appear inappropriate to being on a commentator who you are not sure what they are going to say. R and D are all rallying around, and condeming this isolated act.

  73. This 22 year old shooter is clearly disturbed. Looking at his videos, either his brain is altered by chemicals of some sort, or he is really mentally impaired.

    I wonder if this shooting had anything to do with PTSD?

  74. The New York Post quoted Giffords’ weeping father, who said, when asked if the congresswoman had enemies: “Yeah…the whole Tea Party.”
    ——————————————————
    I suspect she did have enemies. It comes with the territory. I suspect that people who identify themselves as tea party members were among them. That proves absolutely nothing. It does not appear that the gentleman who committed this crime is a member of the Tea Party. Therefore this is baseless innuendo.

  75. From a time not so long ago when a fairer lady was accused:
    Foster’s death was concluded to have been a suicide by inquiries/investigations conducted by the United States Park Police, the Department of Justice, the FBI, the United States Congress, Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske, and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.[3]

    After a three-year investigation, Starr concluded that Foster’s death was a suicide. CNN stated on February 28, 1997, “The Starr report refutes claims by conservative political organizations that Foster was the victim of a murder plot and coverup,” but “despite those findings, right-wing political groups have continued to allege that there was more to the death and that the president and first lady [Bill and Hillary Clinton] tried to cover it up.”[4]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Vince_Foster

  76. wbboei
    January 8th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Agreed. This whole blaming the entire Tea Party reminds me of what the far lefty loonies in the primaries did to Hillary when all she said when asked why she wanted to finish the entire primary season and used RFK as an example and how he persevered and finished his primaries for a nomination, and then of course on queue…. all of CNN, ABC, NBC, See-BS, MSNBC said Hillary was comparing Waffles to that. Hillary and Maggie Williams had to come out with a statement. It was so coordinated by the entire liberal media complex.

  77. Fox is saying he is not a veteran, he signed up for the army recruitment center, and was given a Bible, he apparently was very angry about this as well as a whole host of other items it seems based on his ramblings.

  78. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jared-lee-loughner-gabriel-giffords-suspected-shooter-identified/story?id=12572164

    The man who allegedly shot Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, ABC News has learned.

    Giffords was shot, along with several other people, including federal judge John Roll, outside a grocery store in Tucson, Ariz., where she was holding an event called Congress on Your Corner.

    On a Myspace page apparently maintained by Loughner, he said goodbye to friends and said, “Please don’t be mad at me… I cannot rest.”

    Authorities said the shooter was in custody.

    Loughner reportedly made several YouTube videos with walls of text protesting the government and ranting against low literacy rates.

    “Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner. This video is my introduction to you!” the video, uploaded Dec. 15, says. “My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don’t dream — sadly… My ambition — is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I’m conscience dreaming! Thank you!”

  79. “So the guy wasn’t a vet?”

    No, not from what is being reported, I think he was angry at the Army recruitment center for the reason I mentioned above that Fox reported and I think he wrote in his ramblings.

  80. There’s a book called Conscience Dreaming…here is what it says in the into:

    Editorial Reviews
    From Booklist
    This is more and better than just a book about how to remember and understand dreams, although it is that kind of book and as good as any such recently published. Moss covers all the expected terrain, from how to train the mind to recall its nightly narratives, through how to unravel meaning from them, to how to start and sustain a dream group.

    But his book excels because he extends its purview to include shamanic dreaming, dreams of dead loved ones, healing dreams, angels, and spirit guides. Moss explores these more esoteric matters with great skill. Taking his cue from ancient and tribal traditions that see in dreams more than a set of symbols connected to individual psychology, Moss offers evidence that in dreams we connect with the transpersonal. Thus, an angel in a dream could be the dreamer’s better self–or a real angel, come to help the dreamer through life’s challenges. Moss’ unusual approach to a perpetually intriguing subject is likely to appeal to a wide spectrum of readers. Patricia Monaghan
    Product Description
    Written by a popular leader of dream workshops and seminars, Conscious Dreaming details a unique nine-step approach to dreams, especially precognitive and clairvoyant ones, that uses contemporary dreamwork methods and techniques developed from shamanic cultures around the world.

    http://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Dreaming-Spiritual-Everyday-ebook/dp/B003FCVF7C/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2

  81. “Basically the guy was a first class fruit loop who decided to go out in a blaze of media glory.”

    That pretty much sums this up accurately.

  82. Yes, I do think Obama’s quote was strange. Senseless? Because if anything there was motive behind why Gifford was targeted. This wasn’t a random act. Random acts are called senseless. i.e. no discernable reason!

    The question is who or what pushed Loughtner into taking this drastic step?

    1.) Obama calling this a ‘senseless’ tragety was a red flag to me- (he spoke too soon)

    2.) Here are two quotes that connect Gifford and Palin, picked off of Tweeter and a Palin ad next.

    http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/08/congresswoman-gabrie.html

    @antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was “stupid & unintelligent”

    democracynow RT @felixsalmon Sarah Palin *literally* put a gun sight on @Rep_Giffords. See Palin’s map: http://bit.ly/fLwY2g about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

    Connect the dots-

  83. Yes, I do think Obama’s quote was strange. Senseless? Because if anything there was motive behind why Gifford was targeted. This wasn’t a random act. Random acts are called senseless. i.e. no discernable reason!

    The question is who or what pushed Loughtner into taking this drastic step?

    1.) Obama calling this a ’senseless’ tragety was a red flag to me- (he spoke too soon)

    2.) Here are two quotes that connect Gifford and Palin, picked off of Tweeter and a Palin ad next.

    h… w… boingboing.net/2011/01/08/congresswoman-gabrie.html

    @antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ‘07, asked her a question & he told me she was “stupid & unintelligent”

    democracynow RT @felixsalmon Sarah Palin *literally* put a gun sight on @Rep_Giffords. See Palin’s map: http://bit.ly/fLwY2g about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

    Connect the dots-

  84. How soon did Big Media pick up on the Palin/Gifford connection… within 20 min of the shooting? This eveidence is so obscure it should have taken a few days or at least a day-

    Before this slim bit of evidence profiling the shooter, my first thought before I knew any reason for the shooting, Hinckley came to mind. Hinkley was the pumped up assassin who tried to kill President Reagan. Stories abound of how Hickley was a friend of the Bushes. At the time BushI was VP to Reagan. He was eager to be president pushing his brain storm of \A New World Order. Hickley was mentaly unstable and as the story goes, Reagan was standing in the way of Bush pushing for a New Wrld Order.

    My thoughts related to Gifford and Palin? This is no coincidence for Sarah Palin’s name associated with Gifford. This is an example of triangulation. Gifford was targeted by Palin in her ad… Loughner was primed by someone for this moment as was Hinkley. The real target by a third party is Sarah Palin. Turning public support away from a potential presidential candidacy.

    This is it in a nutshell. A Chicago CiA mission.

  85. The real target by a third party is Sarah Palin. Turning public support away from a potential presidential candidacy.

    This is it in a nutshell. A Chicago CiA mission.

    ======================

    Sigh. So why didn’t the Chicago CIA plant stronger evidence of a Palin connection, while they were at it?

  86. Sigh. So why didn’t the Chicago CIA plant stronger evidence of a Palin connection, while they were at it?
    ________________

    It’s in print in my post @6:26

    apparently you didn’t see this:

    h.. w…
    boingboing.net/2011/01/08/congresswoman-gabrie.html

  87. wbboei
    January 8th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Agreed. This whole blaming the entire Tea Party reminds me of what the far lefty loonies in the primaries did to Hillary when all she said when asked why she wanted to finish the entire primary season and used RFK as an example and how he persevered and finished his primaries for a nomination, and then of course on queue…. all of CNN, ABC, NBC, See-BS, MSNBC said Hillary was comparing Waffles to that. Hillary and Maggie Williams had to come out with a statement. It was so coordinated by the entire liberal media complex.
    ———————
    Tim, it is the classic knee jerk response of the left wing elites, and their fellow travelers in big media. Some time ago, I posted a historical account of the immediate aftermath of the Kennedy assassination, wherein Jackie Bovier Kennedy, part of that same elite, far more so than her husband who remains a hero of mine, turned to a shaken Scotty Reston of the New York Times and complained damned him, why could he not have been killed by some white southern racist, instead of a dirty little commie?To which I say, Oh Lady Guenevere protected by all your money and the walls of your little Camelot, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

  88. This has nothing to do with Sarah Palin, not one iota and they should all apologise or she should sue their asses off for insinuating it, its malicious slander, they need to be very careful.

  89. Man linked to Giffords shooting called ‘very disturbed’
    ___________________

    And easily pliable when their hatred is played into, even remotely by something as simple as a flyer naming a date and a time the object of their dislike/hatred is sent to his e-mail or postal box, naming a day and a time the subject is easily accessible to the assailant.

    The fact that Palin’s name was linked to Giffords within an hour of the shooting is highly suspect. When in the due course of an investigation, a reasonable time had not elapsed in discovery of facts, facts verified for truth and accuracy and finally connected to the event. Adding insult to injury- Gifford’s husband is a member of the armed forces. How will Palin’s association with Gifford resonate with them?

  90. Daily Kos themselves had a post in the elections targetting Giffords seat with a big gun target on it asking why she has not had a liberal challenger, but they seem to be ignoring that conveniently in the liberal press.

    I just saw it about an hour ago on another blog when some one posted it, can’t flipping find it now.

  91. Majority Leader Cantor: All legislation on next week’s sked will be postponed in light of tragedy in Gabrielle Giffords’ district, “So that we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today’s tragedy.”

    …………………

    Please, Do not go about passing half assed legislation without facts please, that would be ridiculous.

  92. moononpluto
    January 8th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
    Daily Kos themselves had a post in the elections targetting Giffords seat with a big gun target on it asking why she has not had a liberal challenger, but they seem to be ignoring that conveniently in the liberal press.

    I just saw it about an hour ago on another blog when some one posted it, can’t flipping find it now.
    _________________________

    And Daily Kos is read by hundreds. Especially, Big media. But they didn’t point to them- They immediately picked on Palin’s obscure classified ad. It hasn’t been verified that the ad is hers. That she constructed it or posted it herself in the ad section of the site… It is aimed at Palin. The Republicans as well as the Dems see her as a threat to Obama’s re-election. The House is in bed with Obama and they intend to keep it that way.

  93. More Section 8 material from the far left, and their fellow travelers in big media. Apparently, they do not believe in demonizing people unless they are the ones doing it. This is an email sent to a Republican site which called for moderation on all sides in response to this strategy, until we have the facts.

    From: kristiebk@gmail.com
    Subject: In response to your posting about the blame glame and political opportunity
    Date: January 8, 2011 4:40:57 PM EST
    To: contact@redstate.com

    It’s about consequences to your actions and the words you speak.

    And the action that Red State, Sarah Palin, Rush, Glenn, those crazy ladies from Minnesota and Navada purport is to demonize those with whom they disagree. And the glee with which you’ve done it results in this senseless, violent tragedy in Arizona.

    Of course you are culpable. Every bit as if you had pulled the trigger yourself. And of course each and every one of us should point out that the fervent dislike, nee hate, that much of the Republican party espouses today fuels this very fire. The way you discourse is dangerous.

    You just don’t want to see it.

    Perhaps you might want to give gun control another thought?

    Kind regards,
    Kristie Brown Kelly

  94. td:
    Sigh. So why didn’t the Chicago CIA plant stronger evidence of a Palin connection, while they were at it?

    SMith cites:
    democracynow RT @felixsalmon Sarah Palin *literally* put a gun sight on @Rep_Giffords. See Palin’s map: http://bit.ly/fLwY2g about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

    td:
    That’s not evidence, that’s just some third party’s opinion after the fact.

    Any ‘Chicago CIA’ worthy of the name (or other Conspirators) would have got stuff into the shooter’s facebook page (and elsewhere) clearly mentioning Palin as inspiration — long in advance.

  95. turndownobama
    January 8th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Forget it td-

    Palin was not Loughlens target, Gifford was- the unknown was Palin’s posting of the classified ad using the words: target, M16, shoot, against Gifford.

    Now Palin, rather than the shooter or the victim has become the focus of the event by big media.

  96. I thought just this once obama might show some emotion when he talked about Gifford. If anything, he seemed detached and just as cold as ever.

    I doubt Hillary would have had to refer to notes when speaking.

    Did anyone else see it the same way as I did?

  97. I just logged onto the computer and saw the story on the Gifford shooting. then listened to the Sheriff’s news conference and heard him say twice that there was too much prejudice going on in Arizona. Gifford is white and so is the shooter. Is that not inflammatory language by a law enforcement pro? Am going upthread to read all your comments.

  98. “Did anyone else see it the same way as I did?’
    ___________________

    JanH,I didn’t see the whole press conf. I could hear him from another room. So, I cannot remark on his body language and demeanor.

    The fact of Cantor’s announced postponement of passing legislation is leading somewhere- we’ll have to wait and see what they have up their sleeves.

    Probably something like Congress telecommuting legislation from home until a plan is in place safeguarding Congressional members in both chambers.

  99. “Did anyone else see it the same way as I did?”

    I didn’t see it live, but I’ve seen the replay, and yes I agree with you. I thought it was very weird he kept talking about her in past tense, when it was clear the representative was alive and in surgery at the time of that presser.

    I did see Gov Brewer’s presser, she looked and sounded very sincere in her sentiments about this whole tragic event.

  100. Remember the quote attributed to CHurchill: “It is difficult to get a conviction for sodomy in a nation where half the populace believes it is impossible, while the other half is actively engaged in it.”

    If there were really a ‘Chicago CIA’ Conspiracy behind this, they would have planted clear evidence that would be credible to ordinary sane people — not just a classified ad so obscure as to be believed only by other conspiracy-minded people.

    ==============

    Smith:
    the unknown was Palin’s posting of the classified ad using the words: target, M16, shoot, against Gifford.

    td:
    Even if there were such a classified ad, it would still not be evidence against Palin. A real ‘Chicago CIA’ would have planted something much stronger — on the shooter’s own Facebook etc.

  101. well, I’m going to take a break from all of this TV and computer for a bit.
    This is a tragedy for our country. Sending prayers to all the victims of this tragedy.

  102. td:
    Even if there were such a classified ad, it would still not be evidence against Palin. A real ‘Chicago CIA’ would have planted something much stronger — on the shooter’s own Facebook etc.
    ____________________

    And your experience with the CiA?

    Oh, I forgot. You’re using Al Gore as the model for planting a movie as substantial evidence of humans responsible for Global Warming.

    Take a hike!

  103. http://fayobserver.com/articles/2011/01/08/1061749?sac=

    During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event.

    “I don’t see the connection,” between the fundraisers featuring weapons and Saturday’s shooting, said John Ellinwood, Kelly’s spokesman. “I don’t know this person, we cannot find any records that he was associated with the campaign in any way. I just don’t see the connection.

  104. BigCatLover
    January 8th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    I thought it was very strange as well.

    I don’t know if this is true, but according to this following link, it could be because he is an opponent of enforcing the AZ SB1070 law and is opposed to it. So perhaps that’s it? Not sure. If that is true, its pretty strange for an official in the position to be making statements like that.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2011/01/08/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-thread-ii/#comments

  105. Aw, real CIA veterans never tell. 😉

    Do you really not get the point? Any real conspirator who put the shooter up to it, would have put some Palin material where it looked like the shooter had put it, something very clear.

    Gore’s movie has nothing to do with the case. Gore honestly made and released it himself.

  106. The Sheriff said in his press conference that the shooter was not accepted in the army and in the interest of his privacy, I can’t discuss why. I immediately thought ‘gay’ because that is probably the last thing considered private anymore.

  107. tim
    January 8th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    That entire weaselzipper site is going in the direction I predicted it would hours ago- They cited 6,000 stories already on Google pointing to Palin as responsible and the T-Party for suggesting the tragety.

    Sad to say, this entire tragety ws created to discredit Palin and most likely the T-Party at Gifford’s expense. She is lucky to be alive the way the articles are quoting. The shooter came up behind her and shot her at point blank range. She may come out of this alright as stange as that seems and so will Sarah Palin. Her goodness and sincerity will prevail in the end.

  108. If he is gay he’s probably not a tea partier, he may even be an Obama supporter. If O knows this then his statement would have to be muted and generic.

  109. Fox reporting that the judge who died has 24 hour protection earlier from numerous threats after a ruling.

  110. Sad to say, this entire tragety ws created to discredit Palin and most likely the T-Party at Gifford’s expense.

    =================

    Created by the Saudi’s doubtless.

  111. BigCatLover
    January 8th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
    Fox reporting that the judge who died has 24 hour protection earlier from numerous threats after a ruling.
    _____________________

    What was the ruling that caused the threats? Did it say?

  112. Looking at his books list, this guy is a nerd (and his comment about the rep in 2007 from her answer that she did not seem intelligent to him) and a lefty, the kind of guy who would hang around Dailykooks and get ‘inspired’ to vote for Obama. All murderers are nutcases but we could always look for what may have pushed them over the edge. In this case it appears to me that the DailyKooks and other such deranged sites would do the job.

  113. Wolf Blitzer admitting on CNN that we do not know if he is from the crazy left or the crazy right. Even Donna Brazile is saying it is too soon to reach conclusions except we need to talk about gun laws and the heated campaign rhetoric (like Donna had no part in that). Roland Martin disagrees and says she was targeted and threatened for her politics. Nothing changes with this Obama supporter.

  114. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot

    Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Giffords was the target of a gunman whom he described as mentally unstable and possibly acting along with an accomplice. He said Giffords was among 13 people wounded in the melee that killed six people, including Arizona’s chief federal judge, a 9-year-old girl and an aide for the Democratic lawmaker. He said the rampage ended only after two people tackled the gunman.

  115. What was the ruling that caused the threats? Did it say?
    **********************
    Yes they said but I was concentrating on typing (I am a terrible typist) and missed what they said. He did get thousands of threats after the ruling.

  116. BigCatLover
    January 8th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
    ————–
    That is my first inkling.. circumstantial evidence — who got the young revved up most politically in the last two elections? which blogs went after conservative democrats who did not rubber stamp Obama?

  117. “Roland Martin disagrees and says she was targeted and threatened for her politics. ”

    I wonder why CNN even keeps this idiot on, where were his comments when Palin’s church was burned to the ground and people were still in service when the church was set ablaze?

    Frankly, I think people are sick of this nonsense, the vile kind he so frequently spews out.
    No wonder CNN’s viewership is down the toilet.

  118. pm317
    Yes the whole tea party is behind this made no sense after their big win in the election and trimphant takeover of the House. He is a nut but the political timing made no sense.

  119. Lets play this whole thing from the left side of the fairway. Assume that this guy was a right wing nut instead of what he appears to be namely a left wing nut. Assume that the thrust of all his psychobabbel that he is upset with government and wants to go down in a blaze of glory. And assume that what that what Hanoi Jane and Krugman are blathering about is true, namely that its all this animosity toward government that fuels these acts by people who are floridly delusional. Fine and dandy. But why stop the music there. Why not acknowlege that there is a legitimate basis for the anger we see today in this country. After all, experience has shown that we DO have a government which disenfrachises people and is stealing our future. When you are being steamrolled by the elites, righteous indignation is not an unwarranted response. The plea for civility is disingenous, especially when it emanates from the kind of fool who sat atop an anti aircraft gun in Hanoi with a NVA helmut and a dumb look on her face while American GIs were being tortured down the street at the Hanoi Hilton–Sam Johnson, John McCain, Admiral Stockton. She lacks the bona fides to be taken seriously on any of this. Her natural mother came from a long line of Long Island blue bloods. As a matter of fact, they had an estate with a sprawling mansion called Muttontown. It is now a Jewish golf course, I have played it and it is nothing to write home about. Her mother was estranged from her father Henry Fonda and eventually committed suicide. I would say it runs in the family.

  120. Looking at his books list, this guy is a nerd (and his comment about the rep in 2007 from her answer that she did not seem intelligent to him) and a lefty

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    See my post about his book list above. Most of his books were classics or could go either way. The only clearly political one is Rand’s WE THE LIVING, which is strongly anti-communist. (Orwell’s are considered anti-communist also.)

  121. Even if there is legitimate anger, I cannot pretend not to have noticed that — insufficiently progressive as my OLD SCHOOL LIBERAL opinion may be here — the extreme Dude Nation left is furious and frustrated with a (black) male and in response, they start shooting at (white) women.

    And who did Dude Nation and their various sycophantic handmaidens immediately start blaming for it?

    Another (white) woman: Sarah Palin. GMAFB. Fuck you all. Just fuck you all.

  122. I know from my own experience that you have strikes at times when one party or the other tries to fundamentally alter the existing balance of power. Yes, that is often when it happens. We have that sort of thing today in spades with asshole Obama. Thus the reaction–anger is both forseeable and legitimate. If you try to bottle it up with forced political correctness–which is the lefts way of saying go gently into that good night, you drive it underground and it gets worse. If that anger did not exist, things like this would still happen. If you doubt it, then read Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky.

  123. jane Fonda was always compensating for her privilege in her radical days, but many did that, she just had a bigger platform. Then, she goes and marries Ted Turner, mega millionaire and conservative. She’s a seeker of an identity. Did you hear recently that she has had plastic surgery? And she had a hip replacement from all that exercise. Sad.

  124. Yes the whole tea party is behind this made no sense after their big win in the election and trimphant takeover of the House. He is a nut but the political timing made no sense.

    ===============

    Well, Gifford was an exception to the T Party win, as she was a Dem who kept her seat. And her defeated opponent (who was T party, and said to be endorsed by Palin) did have some campaign thing using gun imagery against her.

    Too slender a factor to blame the opponent or the T Party though — and certainly not Palin. There’s no actual link shown betwen the shooter and ANY political party or politician!

  125. Here is Judge Rolls ruling that preciptated the death threats:

    “Appointed by President George H.W. Bush in 1991, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was shot and killed today when an assailant opened fire in a Safeway parking lot in Ariz., where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz. was meeting with constituents.

    Just two years ago, he was targeted with death threats — and given a security detail — “after ruling that a group of illegal immigrants could go forward with a multi-million dollar civil rights lawsuit against a state rancher”

  126. Two political assassinations in two corners of the world. Both victims are by and large good politicians. In which of these two cases, is the murderer celebrated? The answer is easy but must give you pause to think that ordinary people and even Godly people in another part of the earth are celebrating the murder and the murderer.

  127. Honestly, he’s just a nutjob.

    “Just?” They’ve been saying that whaddayagonnado garbage over the bodies of the dead women that have been piling up since the dawn of time since … well, the dawn of time. I am fucking sick of being in people’s LITERAL crosshairs because I sit down to pee, and I’m sick of watching people who also sit down to pee getting fucking slaughtered for it. I am just fucking tired of it, okay?! I’m 44 years old and will live out the rest of my life trapped on a planet where I seem to have preferentially had a big ol’ fucking target tattooed on my back without my consent! I’m just fucking TIRED OF IT!

    If the leftist Dude Nation can’t vote women out of office, they cheat us out of office. If they can’t cheat us out of office, they shoot us out of office. This cements my decision more than ever to vote only for women. If that guy is “just a nutjob” instead of a WOMANHATING nutjob for what he did, then no one had better DARE to pin the “manhating” title on ME.

    Man shoots at woman. Not a womanhater.

    Woman refuses to vote for man. Is a manhater.

    FUCK THAT SHIT SIDEWAYS.

  128. “after ruling that a group of illegal immigrants could go forward with a multi-million dollar civil rights lawsuit against a state rancher”

    And the US Marshall service identified the culprits responsible for the death threats and advised Roll not to press charges…

  129. People are trying to make it political, specific against Palin. Being on a Sarah Palin hit list (which others gave it that name)is not directing someone to kill someone, even though this Rep accused her of it.

    If they want to start an argument again, then lets go back to the 2008 primary where people were threatened with their lives, and the vote was taken from room that no one had observation of.

    If you are suggesting the other guy is responsible for this and suggesting violence, you should clean your own house first. The violence against people and their vote that went on at the 2008 Primary was criminal. However, no one acted on it.

    This young man had a problem. There are a lot of those people in this world. This was not caused by other political factions or people. This was caused by the young man.

  130. Oh my, this is so sad, the federal judge who was murdered, he was on his way to shop at that grocery store, and just happened to here when this all happened.
    ——————————
    Interesting. In that case, another theory of the left that this was an intentional political act by a tea party sympathizer who hated the judges ruling on illegal immigrants falls by the wayside. Since they are running out of ammunition, they seek a truce. Fuck the truce. They need to be exposed. It is the Oxbow Incident all over again. The herd regains its ancient and evil primacy. But what is at the bottom of all this is a profound fear by the elites that the middle class is waking up, and anyone who like Sarah or Hillary who tries to give them a voice–remember Hillary’s promise to them that they would no longer be invisible becomes for them an obsession and goes to the top of their hit parade. Big media is simply there to do their bidding. As for Krugman, it seems to me that his theories do not work, and the past two years have proven that in his case as well as Obama’s a Nobel Prize is given for political reasons as opposed to merit. I had a relative who won the Nobel Prize for literature 90 years ago, and I know what a scoundrel he was.

  131. I have been listening to Fox since I got up, non stop talking about the shooting and not one mention of Sarah Palin all day.

    Who are all of you listening to? MSNBC?

  132. wbboei
    January 8th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Oh my, this is so sad, the federal judge who was murdered, he was on his way to shop at that grocery store, and just happened to here when this all happened.

    ———–
    Fox said the judge lives in the area, knows Gabbi, and wanted to stop by and show his support.

  133. This was not caused by other political factions or people. This was caused by the young man.

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    There’s not even any real evidence of him being connected to ANY faction. Hm, same with the Dallas man who flew a small plane into an IRS office: no clear evidence of connection or affiliation sfiak.

    So maybe it’s back to the ‘loner nerd’ stereotype.

  134. I had a relative who won the Nobel Prize for literature 90 years ago, and I know what a scoundrel he was.

    ==================

    LOL!

  135. “People are trying to make it political, specific against Palin.”
    ______________

    Not so- within an hour of the shooting the media tied Palin to the tragety making this very political with unseen others standing in the shadows involved in the backstory.

  136. turndownobama 10:21 pm
    True, I think people here are reacting to the charges that Palin and the Tea Party were responsible.

  137. so NOW now wants to get involved, they made a statement about this, this is getting more and more pathetic. If I had not seen how Hillary was treated by the far left in ’08, I would not have seen believed it.
    Really NOW?! so where the heck were you when Hillary was treated that disgustingly in ’08? and now you make a statement condemning the entire right? talk about using this tragedy as a political advantage.

  138. So maybe it’s back to the ‘loner nerd’ stereotype.

    Who took aim at a woman. Loner nerd kills four women. Loner nerd rapes and murders old woman. Loner nerd chains 16 women in his basement. Loner nerd arrested on serial rape charges. Loner nerd kidnaps young girl. Loner nerd targets congressWOMAN.

    This little girlie non-loner non-nerd is thinking that the Loner Nerd Herd might have some very basic problems, and she’s sick of just clucking her tongue like a good girl and acting like she hasn’t noticed.

  139. “Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and has been mentioned as a possible Senate candidate in 2012 and a gubernatorial prospect in 2014.” (from a Yahoo news article and yes they are mentioning Palin)

    Hopefully she will fully recover and come back and be all that..

  140. Fox said the judge lives in the area, knows Gabbi, and wanted to stop by and show his support.
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    Whether he was just grocery shopping, or decided to stop by to show political support for the congresswoman does not matter really. Either way, it does not appear that he was killed because of an immigration decision, or that this is directly related to the death threats he received in the aftermath of that decision. Correlation not causation. Hence, the effort by big media to prove that he was the shooter killed him because of an immigration decision he made is goddamned a political lie. Likewise, their nefarious efforts to tie this deranged act to Palin.

  141. Don’t you just love it when no-brains like Brazille and Martin decree what is and what is not? When rumors are spoken so often they suddenly become fact? When media airtime is wasted with speculation and what not instead of the truth?

  142. Suspicious package in Gifford’s office has been opened or possibly detonated. No details yet. (Fox tv)

  143. Really NOW?! so where the heck were you when Hillary was treated that disgustingly in ‘08? and now you make a statement condemning the entire right? talk about using this tragedy as a political advantage.
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    It is worse than that. Their goal is to sabotage the country.

  144. This is what is strange-

    Someone in the crowd shot Gifford’s shooter. Where he was shot, we haven’t been told. Yet, the media has ignored posting who the person was or why he was in the crowd packing a gun!

    All the media has reported is the Sheriff suspects there was a second shooter. Was the second shooter the one who shot Judge Roll? Whats up with that?

  145. Earlier tonight the Sheriff said the shooter was not shot by someone else. But that was earlier tonight. A witness was interviewed by CNN or FOx and he said he had a gun in his pocket but did not pull it out. Welcome to the new America where wveryone is armed.

  146. More like the old America. We’ve always been born with guns. Although usually the extreme lefties are all against the second amendment, so there’s a little poser.

  147. Big Media needs to be much more circumspect in who they accuse, if for no other reason than misrepresenting the facts and blaming the wrong people as they are now doing could create copy cat behavior. The culprit in this case is not the only wakco out there who could pick up on the hatred of rolly polly roland martin and fat donna brazile who lie for a living, and make false accusations. I am not kidding, if there is a reprise they could be responsible because to the way they are broadcasting hatred and racism. I am sure I could whistle up an expert who would confirm that what they are doing is dangerous, and they need to be careful in how they present this stuff. The country is in a strange state of mind, has been since they elected Obama, and now that he has betrayed those who voted for him, it is hard to predict what might happen. Big media needs to stop promoting hysteria and speak in a calm rational voice.

  148. There are a couple of comments on NQ suggesting that the Judge may have been the true target.. and also more than one shooter.

  149. Makes you wonder if the WH and the media will be staying up all night trying to think of a way to blame Bill and Hillary along with Sarah Palin as being responsible for this horrible act in AZ.

  150. The 9-year-old who was shot dead today at the Giffords event was featured in a book “Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11.”

  151. wbb

    Either way, it does not appear that he was killed because of an immigration decision, or that this is directly related to the death threats he received in the aftermath of that decision.

    ———
    So far, on Fox, they report that the police ‘know’ that the Senator was the target.
    There may be a ‘suicide’ letter that was on the shooter, possibly explaining what he did, and thought he would die in the end. Story is the police are not releasing info they have on the case.

  152. I am not sure how much faith I would place in this sheriff. I think he has a political ax to grind. He refuses to enforce the Arizona immigration law within his country. So he is running a sanctuary in violation of state law. I read this on the comment section of another website. Hence, any attempt he makes to tie this tragedy to the tea parties, in the absence of hard proof, should be viewed as exploiting a tragedy for political gain. It does not get much lower than that for a politician. But it is de rigeur for big media.

  153. wbboei
    January 8th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    …Why not acknowlege that there is a legitimate basis for the anger we see today in this country. After all, experience has shown that we DO have a government which disenfrachises people and is stealing our future. When you are being steamrolled by the elites, righteous indignation is not an unwarranted response.

    Exactly ! EXACTLY, wish I knew how to make the type bigger.

  154. Keithy Olberpervert
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    When a dog has hydrophobia they put him to sleep, lest he bite some innocent victim and transmit rabies. When Olbersturmfurer does the same thing MSNBC gives the bombastic jackass a $7 million dollar contract for polluting the airways. Nobody in big media, not even Matthews delivers more hate speech that Olberman. If there is to be censorship, start with him. He is the kind of fool who will cause a lesser fool to do a copycat crime.

  155. The 9-year-old who was shot dead today at the Giffords event was featured in a book “Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11
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    Jesus Christ. It is enough to make a devout priest question his faith. It is enough for the rest of us to ask whether everything in this society has gone too far. Far too far. Especially when the innocent pay the price, and the guilty buy their way out of it like Saint Teddy Kennedy did.

  156. The 9-year-old who was shot dead today at the Giffords event was featured in a book “Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11
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    Jesus that one really gets to me.

  157. #
    BigCatLover
    January 8th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    jane Fonda was always compensating for her privilege in her radical days, but many did that, she just had a bigger platform. Then, she goes and marries Ted Turner, mega millionaire and conservative. She’s a seeker of an identity. Did you hear recently that she has had plastic surgery? And she had a hip replacement from all that exercise. Sad.

    A knee replaced too = left knee, right hip. I just bought her WALKOUT exercise CD and loved it, too bad, its going in the trash.

    Among the things I thought about was how, if you REALLY ARE frightened of the boogy man or vampires or burglars etc., every noise in the night is a boogy man, a vampire or a burglar. That is how some on the left struck me today they are THAT scared of Sarah Palen and the Tea Party. Kind of like every problem looks like a nail if all you have is a hammer.

    But I also agree with others here, there is more going on. Think of all the people who have died, from the Choir director in Chicago and even including the poor man in the dump. I think most of us are fighting blind, we know they want to destroy us, but we don’t have the game plan and all we can do is react. And, even if we had a someone on our side who could look to the past and to the future, see all the moves and add them up, tell us what their goal is and how we can thwart them, he/she wouldn’t be believed. That is why we need to support the Tea Party and doggedly fight for the few things we all agree on and for the rest as Hillary said so eloquently to terrorists: join in the discussion and persuade us of the merits of your ideas.

    And this week’s shiny thing was going to be “the full faith and credit of the USA”. Don’t know what it will be now.

  158. All the media has reported is the Sheriff suspects there was a second shooter. Was the second shooter the one who shot Judge Roll?

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    Inspection of the bullets can probably find whether more than one gun was used. Whether the police will tell us, is a different matter.

  159. I am not sure how much faith I would place in this sheriff. I think he has a political ax to grind. He refuses to enforce the Arizona immigration law within his country.

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    Good point. Did Gifford support that law?

  160. Egypt’s Muslims attend Coptic Christmas mass, serving as “human shields”
    Egypt’s majority Muslim population stuck to its word Thursday night [January 6]. What had been a promise of solidarity to the weary Coptic community, was honoured, when thousands of Muslims showed up at Coptic Christmas eve mass services in churches around the country and at candle light vigils held outside.

    From the well-known to the unknown, Muslims had offered their bodies as “human shields” for last night’s mass, making a pledge to collectively fight the threat of Islamic militants and towards an Egypt free from sectarian strife.

    “We either live together, or we die together,” was the sloganeering genius of Mohamed El-Sawy, a Muslim arts tycoon whose cultural centre distributed flyers at churches in Cairo Thursday night, and who has been credited with first floating the “human shield” idea.

    ====================

    Beware of those Muslim cultural centers. No telling what kind of plot they’re liable to cook up.

  161. “Big media needs to stop promoting hysteria and speak in a calm rational voice.”
    I stopped giving them my attention more than 20 years ago. Here are some bits for those who may be longing for some relative sanity.

    sane reporting:

    http (colon, slash, slash) azdemvet.com/2011/01/08/us-rep-gabrielle-giffords-shot-along-with-several-others/

    http (colon, slash, slash) (www dot) chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7372176.html

    http (colon, slash, slash) voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2011/01/gabrielle_giffords_and_her_lif.html

    local reporting:
    http (colon, slash, slash) (www dot) svherald.com/content/breaking-news/2011/01/08/giffords-critical-condition-after-shooting

    —————–

    sane comment:

    Congresswoman Giffords herself spoke eloquently about the risks of overheated, violent rhetoric in our “national discourse.” Link (video):
    http (colon, slash, slash) tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/flashback-giffords-warned-of-consequences-to-palins-target-imagery-video.php?ref=dcblt

    – – – – –

    I have to wonder if both sides; liberal and conservative need to remember that those on the other side are also patriotic Americans and not the enemy. We spend way too much time demonizing those on the other side of the issue. All we need to do is turn on Fox or MSNBC to witness these daily rituals of demonization.

    I do not know what can be done, my only hope is that the adults among the politicians and pundits say stop.

    What I fear is that this will prompt our Representatives to hide behind a wall of security further isolating them from the people who elect them. If that happens they will truly be a class more important than mere mortal citizens.

    —————–

    Amen to this (and all similar):

    “This is such sad news. She wanted to cut congress’s salary, she was a good public servant. Prayers to all her family and all who are still affected.”

    # # #

  162. The Paranoid Style in American Politics
    By Richard Hofstadter
    Written in 1964.

    [….]
    … The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms-he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point…Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated…[….]

    The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations…Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds [….]

  163. another thing from Kos in 2008 used the words “target” and “bulls eye” on the same reps including Giffords, so why are they not getting the hounding treatment.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

    “Who to primary? Well, I’d argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I’ve bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.”

    “Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district. If we can field enough serious challengers, and if we repeat the Donna Edwards and Joe Lieberman stories a few more times, well then, our elected officials might have no choice but to be more responsive. Because if we show them that their AT&T lobbyist buddies can’t save their jobs, they’ll pay more attention to those who can.”

    Well CNN, bloggers, Big Media….what say you.

  164. turndownobama
    January 9th, 2011 at 3:05 am

    The Paranoid Style in American Politics
    By Richard Hofstadter

    oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Hofstadter’s slippery sophistry. “Yes, it is very bad, but there is nothing you or I can do about it, except to learn to live with the system as it is.” He skips across his selected stones of consensus reality and people applaud his fancy steps. I have no doubt that Obama and the rats in Congress would join the applause if called upon to do so. The “intellectuals” would niggle here or there. Of course, they have more important matters to attend to; my guess is that few of them could say who Hofstadter was. He is, even if unintentionally, an apologist for their slimy immorality!

    Really, his “social-psychology history” pisses me off greatly. I’ve seen minds destroyed by that bullshit. This guy’s writings spew pollution.

    A cooler treatment of Hofstadter’s wrongness can be found below, but it’s by LaRouche and fairly heavy going.

    http://www.larouchepac.com/node/562

  165. Sophistry? What I posted is a recognizeable description (which he says is applied by both sides occasionally).

    But I suppose Hofstadter himself must be a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, etc.

  166. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100071004/the-unseemly-rush-to-blame-sarah-palin-the-tea-party-and-republicans-for-murder-in-arizona/

    The unseemly rush to blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and Republicans for murder in Arizona

    Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, by all accounts an outstanding public servant and person, is battling for her life in hospital after being shot by a 22-year-old man at close range at a “Congress On Your Corner” event in her home district. Six people are dead, including a judge and a girl of nine, and a dozen others are being treated for their wounds.

    It is, as President Barack Obama said, an “unspeakable tragedy”. It is also, as he added, “a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society”. That much we know and the President wisely did not seek to make political capital out of the carnage or jump to conclusions about the motivations of the gunman, named as Jared Loughner.

    That, of course, hasn’t stopped some on the Left clamouring to blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party or Republicans in general for what happened.

    Paul Krugman of the “New York Times” suggests darkly that Giffords was shot because she was “a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona” and “violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate” (those reponsible for such a climate being, of course, Republicans).

    TBogg of FireDogLake wades straight in and blames Sarah Palin for the shooting because of a graphic of crosshairs placed on the districts of moderate Democrats who voted for healthcare reform. Was the Palin graphic clever? No. But martial imagery is standard political fare and, as Matt Lewis points out, there’s no shortage of Democrats who’ve engaged in it (VerumSerum has found a Democratic Leadership Committee target map).

    Jane Fonda pins it on Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and the Tea Party.

    Even the local sheriff (a Democrat) has been getting in on the act. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik (a Democrat) said:

    When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

    Well, we’ll see. Personally, I’d be more reassured by a sheriff who concentrated on facts rather than over-heated, sweeping generalisations.

    So what are the facts we know so far? From what we know about Loughner, he was a deeply disturbed young man who railed about literacy rates, spoke of flag burning and creating a new currency.

    Former classmates talk of “nonsensical outbursts” and a person “on his own planet”. His favourite reading apparently included “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”. My colleague Jon Swaine has a summary here of the raving of a person who most people would judge to be a complete nutcase even if he hadn’t gone out and shot people.

    Oh, and another former classmate said he was “left wing, quite liberal”. Naturally, this doesn’t stop Jacob Heilbrunn, pontificating that the shootings are evidence of that the “radical right is becoming even more radicalised and violent”.

    Ben Smith sums up the current picture of Loughner pretty well:

    The obsession with the gold standard and the hostility to the federal government resonate with the far right, the burned American flag with the left, but the discussion of mind control and grammar sound more like mental illness than politics.

    This is highly inconvenient for certain people on the Left so they ignore it. They would much prefer the shooter to have been a white male in his 50s, the description the sheriff gave of a second person of interest (we’ll see if such a person materialises) but they’ll still try to make hay with a weirdo like Loughner.

    Giffords herself doesn’t quite fit the likely victim of an enraged Right-winger. She is a Blue Dog Democrat, a deficit hawk and voted to lift the ban on guns in DC and voted against Nancy Pelosi for Speaker. On Thursday, she took part in the reading of the Constitution in the House, reading aloud the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion, speech and peaceful assembly.

    She’s certainly not the “progressive” that Hanoi Jane tweeted about and provoked as much anger on the Left as on the Right for her political stances. Just the other day, a blogger at DailyKos said that Giffords was “dead to me” for failing to back Pelosi.

    Plenty more will emerge in the coming days about Loughner’s motivations and those of any accomplice. It seems certain that the attempted assassination was politically motivated but in exactly what way is, at this stage, very murky.

    This is a time for sombre reflection and a calming (rather than an escalation) of rhetoric. Sadly, however, some see it as another opportunity to score political points and vilify those they hate.

  167. wbboei
    January 9th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    The 9-year-old who was shot dead today at the Giffords event was featured in a book “Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11

    Jesus that one really gets to me.

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    She does, in fact, appear (baby picture) in the book.
    http (colon slash slash) books.google.com/books?id=VayUKdTuI7kC&lpg=PP1&ots=RqxbHxULgO&dq=faces%20of%20hope%209/11&pg=PA41#v=onepage&q&f=true

    Here is a more recent picture:
    http (colon slash slash) weaselzippers.us/2011/01/08/rest-in-peace-christina-taylor-greene/

    I am deeply sorry she is gone and sorry for the loss those who loved her are experiencing. Likewise for the others struck down in that moment of insanity,killing and wounding.

    I’m painfully aware also that to me incomprehensible thousands of youngsters have been bombed and otherwise killed in recent years since I graduated from high school over 45 years ago. Most of them being very special to someone.

    For what it may be worth, a letter of sympathy written some 150 years ago…

    Washington D. C.

    May 25. 1861

    My Dear Sir and Madam.

    In the untimely loss of your noble son, our affliction here is scarcely less than your own. So much of promised usefulness to one’s country, and of bright hopes for one’s self and friends, have rarely been so suddenly dashed as in his fall. In size, in years, and in youthful appearance a boy only, his power to command men was surpassingly great. This power combined with a fine intellect, an indomitable energy, and a taste altogether military, constituted in him, as seemed to me the best natural talent, in that department, I ever knew.

    And yet he was singularly modest and deferential in social intercourse. My acquaintance with him began less than two years ago; yet through the latter half of the intervening period, it was as intimate as the disparity of our ages, and my engrossing engagements would permit. To me, he appeared to have no indulgences or pastimes; and I never heard him utter a profane or an intemperate word. What was conclusive of his good heart, he never forgot his parents. The honors he labored for so laudably, and in the sad end so gallantly gave his life, he meant for them, no less than for himself.

    In the hope that it may be no intrusion upon the sacredness of your sorrow, I have ventured to address you this tribute to the memory of my young friend, and your brave and early-fallen child.

    May God give you that consolation which is beyond all earthly power.

    Sincerely your friend

    in a common affliction.

    A. Lincoln

    [From Abraham Lincoln to Ephraim and Phoebe Ellsworth [Copy in Nicolay’s Hand]. Elmer E. Ellsworth read law in Lincoln’s office, became a friend of the family and accompanied the Lincolns on their trip to Washington in 1861. A conspicuously promising and energetic young man, Ellsworth organized a New York regiment and was killed on May 24, 1861 while taking down a Confederate flag in Alexandria, Virginia. He was the first commissioned officer killed in the war and one of the North’s first heroes. Lincoln, who had become very attached to him, and grief-stricken himself, consoles Ellsworth’s parents after the latter’s death.]

    Abraham Lincoln Papers at the Library of Congress

  168. The complete detatchement and rabidness of the lunatics on DU is astounding.

    You’d be convinced, Palin put a hit out on Giffords herself by the responses over there. They really are loons.

    They have shut down anyone who dared to say this guy was left leaning.

  169. It would seem that Bush derangement syndrome has become Palin derangement syndrome.

    I’m just stunned at the sheeple buying the bullshit from the media.

    The guy was a loon, anything would set him off, sooner or later he was gonna go boom, he probably would have shot up that supermarket regardless yesterday. Once you reach that mental exploding point, nothing turns you back.

  170. Seems that I remember a certain presidential candidate saying something like

    “Get in their face!” and “They bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”

    I suppose that such violent rhetoric along with violent voter intimidation in 2008 ignored by Holder is okey dokey as long as its their own.

  171. This was the person interviewed yesterday on CNN that I posted about. Evidently he has issued a complete apology for his remarks.
    —————————-
    Arizona Daily Star cartoonist and columnist David Fitzsimmons lives near the scene of Saturday’s shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and other Tucsonans, and went there when he heard about it.

    While at the scene, he was interviewed by CNN and said he viewed the shooting as inevitable in a state with an intense gun culture and politics that are to the rabid right.

    Later in the afternoon, Fitzsimmons, who considers Giffords a friend, made this statement:

    “Today I have offended many with my emotional, partisan and inappropriate remarks, broadcast on CNN, regarding the horror of this day. As Congresswoman Giffords battles for her life let us join in prayer for her, for the dead and for the injured. Reflecting on the moment, I know my remarks would have disappointed Congresswoman Giffords, a public servant who is admired for her nonpartisan, gracious and intelligent approach to public discourse.”

    Columnists are human and have strong and immediate reactions to awful news, but those are best kept private until facts are known. As Fitzsimmons acknowledged on CNN, he wasn’t reporting and didn’t know at the time who the shooter was or his motivation.

    Both Fitz and the Star apologize.
    ———————–

    However I am seeing others make the same knee jerk reaction. They all need to stop and wait until we know the facts.

  172. moononpluto, hillbuzz made the memeorandum headline and good for them. Fuck Dailykooks.

    HillBuzz.org:
    IS DAILY KOS INVOLVED IN ARIZONA MURDERS? …
    Link Search: IceRocket, Google, and Ask
    +
    Discussion: The Atlantic Wire, zero hedge, The Gateway Pundit, Right Wing News, Doug Ross, protein wisdom, Moonbattery, Facebook, The Daily Caller, NewsReal Blog, AMERICAN DIGEST and Mediaite

  173. FWIW,
    I am becoming increasingly skeptical about the chronology and the sequence of events surrounding Gifford’s shooting.

    Why now, just as the 112 congress has been sworn in? The repub’s introducing the HCR appeal is on hold. The morning shows are full of dims like Cryburn, Wasserman-Schultz, Emanuel Cleaver,
    blaming the vitriolic atmosphere and lack of civility for the incident. Arizona is being held up as a bastion of bigotry.

    There is something that does not add up in all this (IMHO).

  174. basil9
    January 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    I think its an act of violence that happened when it happened, this sounds like a very unhinged person and there is no telling what set him off or when.

    I see the demonRats are out in full force to take full advantage of this. I turned my TV off, I am not watching any of this “blame the Tea Party/ blame Sarah Palin” nonsense.

  175. basil9, if not premeditated, the Democrats are certainly trying to take advantage of this make political hay out of it. Blogs and mainstream media go after Palin and the teapartiers, the Dems get their airtime like you indicate, repeal of HCR is on hold and may be made difficult if you discredit the Repubs and teaparty people. Everything is the teaparty fault even murder and who want to be part of it, right? It is like the commenter here who likes to cry ‘bigot’ to silence others. Like wbboei said, they are not thinking that there may be legitimate anger out there for the teaparty to sprout but they are trying to discredit the teaparty in the crudest of ways.

  176. This happened when JFK was shot: with no facts, the press and others blamed Rightwingers of Dallas. In the Times Square car bomb, someone jumped to blame some fictitious middle-aged white man who disliked Obamacare.

    Even if the shooter had pictures and literature from some politician, that still wouldn’t make the politician to blame for his insane action.

  177. We always seem to paint everyone with the same brush, and we also want to blame someone other than the person performing the act (parents, political parties, etc.) People are responsible for their actions, and we need to stop the blame game.

  178. moononpluto
    January 9th, 2011 at 7:20 am
    The complete detatchement and rabidness of the lunatics on DU is astounding.

    You’d be convinced, Palin put a hit out on Giffords herself by the responses over there. They really are loons.

    They have shut down anyone who dared to say this guy was left leaning.
    *************************
    this happened to me on another blog last night when I dared to speculate that he seemed left wing to me.

  179. Fox is holding for coverage of the shooter’s arraignment.

    New info indicates there may have been an accomplice and the shooter was a member of an anti-semitic group.

    Want to bet that won’t be mentioned by MSM?

  180. Kurtz on why Palin should not be blamed..Apparently on her map the symbol is one the surveyors use on maps and not a crosshair. How many would know the difference? I also think Palin uses a lot of ‘hunting’ language (don’t know may be to appear authentic) to sound macho that sure is going to backfire (oops) when unfortunate events like this happen.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-dont-blame-sarah-palin/

  181. From a news report:

    “In one of several YouTube videos, which featured text against a dark background”

    [[ I’ve seen that mentioned several places. I agree, light text on dark background is crazy. ]]

    “Loughner’s middle-class neighborhood — about a five-minute drive from the scene”

    [[ Seriously, that’s sufficient reason for choosing this victim at this time: a politician was close by with no security. We don’t need to look for motives in her voting record or the date. ]]

  182. From someone’s Twitter post:

    “Alleged shooter’s fave authors include Rand, Marx, Hitler, Harper Lee, Plato, Aesop, Orwell. Should be enough to confirm all biases.”

  183. moononpluto
    January 9th, 2011 at 5:13 am
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100071004/the-unseemly-rush-to-blame-sarah-palin-the-tea-party-and-republicans-for-murder-in-arizona/

    The unseemly rush to blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and Republicans for murder in Arizona
    ————————–
    Moon–when the facts come out, and they disprove the left’s contention that Sarah Palin and the Tea Parties are responsible, that a split screen version of Olberman, Matthews, Dowd and the rest of the usual suspects, and the Oxbow Incident should be produced and go viral, as this would be a way to prove to sane people how partisan evil and delusional these people really are. I expect they would laugh at the suggestion until the video came out and then they would go on the defensive. Olberman is mentally unbalanced, and he has played the role of Howard Beale in the movie Network for so long that he has become that character, and there is no chance he will stop now. The MSNBC whore have created Frankenstein here, and now it is alive.

  184. basil9, if not premeditated, the Democrats are certainly trying to take advantage of this make political hay out of it. Blogs and mainstream media go after Palin and the teapartiers, the Dems get their airtime like you indicate, repeal of HCR is on hold and may be made difficult if you discredit the Repubs and teaparty people. Everything is the teaparty fault even murder and who want to be part of it, right? It is like the commenter here who likes to cry ‘bigot’ to silence others. Like wbboei said, they are not thinking that there may be legitimate anger out there for the teaparty to sprout but they are trying to discredit the teaparty in the crudest of ways.
    —————————-
    Unless they can prove that he is a tea partier, or was acting on instructions from Sarah it does not wash. The Republicans are wise to postpone the health care debate until this thing blows over. If they proceed at this moment, it will seem cold hearted and nobody will listen. Eventually, the country will come to the realization that the left exploited the tragedy and tried to hang the wrong man. In the meantime, let it play out.

  185. Well they just said on Fox that some bone fragments was affecting the eye, so I was right it must of came out her eye socket. They say the bullet transverse the whole length of the left hemisphere…horrible!

  186. There was a famous mid century libel case by the celebrated trial lawyer Louie Nizer who was his own greatest fan. He wrote about it in a book called My Life In Court. It involved an article by Westbrook Pegler against his client Quentin Reynolds a journalist with leftist leanings. The article involved the same kind of character assassination we see by the left against Sarah. Thus in a strange twist of fate Sarah stands in the shoes of Reynolds and Pegler, the left, or Cotton Mather if you prefer stands in the shoes of the miscreant who bears false witness to the truth and tries to stampede the audience. I recall reading Nizers advice, which he of course heeded and that was when you get mud on your coat from a passing carriage, do not attempt to wipe if off immediately because if you do that it will only smear. The better course is to wait until it dries and then you can brush it off. In this case, there is some risk in waiting, because the longer the public waits to hear the other side, the more likely they are to form an adverse opinion. But if it can be shown that the proof is not there and this was in effect a witch hunt by the left, then the Oxbow Incident comes into play. And then we have got them where we want them, standing naked in the public square, their credibility forever impeached.

  187. wbboei
    January 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Agreed. I just made the mistake of turning on MSNBC, OMG, those people are completely deranged, some dem operative spewing his nonsense, and Wash Compost’s Eugene Robinson? saying Sarah’s to blame, Tea Party to blame, never mind that the dem party used the “bulleyes” target on posters against repubs, and so did many other dem. websites for many years.
    Its like the same feeding frenzy we saw against Hillary when she refused to leave the undemocratic primaries.

  188. The sensibilities of the American People have been so degraded by the unending stream of lies and twistifications of big media that the only thing that seems to capture their attention anymore is the horrific. Local news programs and papers are full of this crap, and in the current culture war it is the stock and trade of big media.

  189. Agreed. I just made the mistake of turning on MSNBC, OMG, those people are completely deranged, some dem operative spewing his nonsense, and Wash Compost’s Eugene Robinson? saying Sarah’s to blame, Tea Party to blame, never mind that the dem party used the “bulleyes” target on posters against repubs, and so did many other dem. websites for many years.
    Its like the same feeding frenzy we saw against Hillary when she refused to leave the undemocratic primaries.
    ————————–
    They are overdoing it, and they are subject to the charge of McCarthyism. The wrong facts, the wrong target and in time common sense rejects their message and them. They are Orwellian.

  190. Even TeamHillary is getting into it when they should have just stepped back and simply wished a healthy recovery to Ms. Giffords and commisserated with those who lost loved ones.

    CONGRESSWOMAN GABRIELLE GIFFORDS SHOOTING DUE TO SARAH PALIN S CARELESS RHETORIC & WEBSITE TARGETING

  191. Tim, years ago they had a series about the Shakleford Expedition to discover the south pole. He was an Englishman and he was competing against Amundsen who was Norwegian. One of my relatives was the Ice Pilot for Amundsen and he died off the coast of Peru. It was mentioned in the series but never explained and our family never knew either. Be that as it may there was a character in the ill fated English expedition who traveled all the way from Bristol to Anatarctica and when he arrived he complained about the weather. I stopped turning on MSNBC after I saw how they attacked Hillary and never went back. From what I recall of Robinson however I can say without hesitation that he is an intellectual lightweight and a slobbering parisan who reminds me a bit of a laughing hyena.

  192. Sadly hitler bio and a communist lover don’t match up. And fox news should be ashamed of themselves
    Originally Posted by Fox News
    In an effort to counter those charges, the head of the organization responded directly to Fox News’ James Rosen on Sunday. Jared Taylor called DHS’ views “scurrilous” and took especial issue with the reference to his group being “anti-ZOG.”

    “That is complete nonsense,” he said. “I have absolutely no idea what DHS is talking about. We have never used the term ‘ZOG.’ We have never thought in those terms. If this is the level of research we are getting from DHS, then Heaven help us.”

    Taylor, who earned a BA in philosophy from Yale in 1973 and a master’s degree in international economics from the prestigious Institut d’Études Politiques de Paris (“Paris Institute of Political Studies,” in English) in 1978, says he had never heard of Loughner until yesterday. Taylor says he checked his organization’s records going back twenty years and Loughner never subscribed to AmRen’s publications.

    Taylor says he also has no indication that Loughner ever attended any of AmRen’s events, all of which have been held on the East Coast.

  193. U.S. seeks Twitter info on WikiLeaks’ Assange, others

    WASHINGTON — A U.S. magistrate in Virginia has ordered Twitter to turn over to the Justice Department whatever information it has about five of its users, including WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and Army PFC Bradley Manning, the one-time Baghdad-based intelligence analyst accused of unauthorized downloading of hundreds of thousands of classified U.S. government documents.

    The subpoena was issued Dec. 14, but was unsealed Wednesday at Twitter’s request so that it could notify the persons whose records had been demanded.

    In addition to Assange and Manning, the subpoena seeks the records of Birgitta Jonsdottir, a member of Iceland’s parliament and a former volunteer for WikiLeaks, Rop Gonggrijp, a well known Dutch computer programmer whose surnname the subpoena misspelled as Gongrijp, and Jacob Appelbaum, an American WikiLeaks supporter who is not identified by name, but whose Twitter username, ioerror, is used to identify the account. Two other usernames are listed to identify the accounts sought: rop_g and birgittaj.

    Jonsdottir made public the subpoena in an interview with the British newspaper The Guardian that was posted on the paper’s website Friday. WikiLeaks and Gonggrijp confirmed the subpoeana in tweets and blog posts on Saturday.

    In addition to IP addresses and other account information, the subpoena asks Twitter for “records of any activity to and from the accounts,” including the size of files that may have been transferred to them or from them and when those transfers occurred. The subpoena requests the information beginning Nov. 1, 2009, while Manning was still working in Baghdad. He was arrested in May after WikiLeaks posted in April a video taken from a U.S. helicopter as it fired on and killed two employees of the Reuters news agency in Baghdad. Assange, Jonsdottir and Gonggrijp were listed as the producers of that WikiLeaks report, which was entitled “Collateral Murder.”

    It is not clear whether Jonsdottir and Gonggrijp were involved in WikiLeaks’ subsequent document releases, including thousands of State Department cables that WikiLeaks has been posting on its site since the end of November. Jonsdottir told The Guardian that her involvement with WikiLeaks has declined in recent months.
    snip (the final paragraph says)

    The subpoenas mark an intensification of the Justice Department’s efforts to tie WikiLeaks and Assange to Manning, who is currently jailed at the Marine Corps base at Quantico, Va., facing charges that could send him to prison, if convicted, for 52 years. Pentagon officials have said that while prosecutors believe the files Manning is accused of downloading were passed to WikiLeaks, they have yet to establish a direct link between Manning and Assange. Without that link, it may be difficult to charge Assange with a crime in connection to the ongoing publication of the documents by the website.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/08/106419/us-seeks-twitter-account-info.html

  194. Eventually, the country will come to the realization that the left exploited the tragedy and tried to hang the wrong man. In the meantime, let it play out.

    ======================

    I hope your conclusion is right. Eventually everyone accepted that it was a Communist who shot JFK (except those who still think it was the CIA or Ladybird Johnson).

    However there was solid evidence that Oswald was a Communist. So far there’s no evidence (released) that Loughner was anything at all, except a well-read nut.

    Unfortunately the witchhunters are already covering themselves from any rebuttal based on facts. They’re saying that Palin et al created a national ‘atmosphere’ that’s to blame — whether Loughner ever saw her own website or not. I expect to see some of them saying that even if evidence turns up that Loughner was allied with the Left — it would still be the Right’s ‘atmosphere’ to blame.

    Are any of them talking about gun control? That would be a logical subject. I haven’t even seen much about what kind of gun was used, or where the nut got it.

  195. The Tea Party Won In November–Winners Don’t Go On Shooting Sprees
    Eric Erickson

    This morning we pray for Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, her family, and the other victims of the heinous violence in Arizona.

    It should not be, but the media, under the guise of “a full exposition” of the evil in Arizona, is back to subtly and not so subtly pinning the blame for the attempted assassination of the Congresswoman and the related shootings on the tea party movement, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, me, you, and everyone right of center.

    Let’s be crystal clear: this is the supposedly objective news media doing this, not the openly, partisan left, though it is fueling the media witch hunt. And from what we now know, it is not just media malpractice, but a lie.

    Ironically, by perpetuating the lie — by even treating it as a legitimate topic of consideration to revisit the accusations of violence and hate the media tried to run with prior to the November election — that the right and the tea party incited this evil act, the left and media may very well incite violence against the right.

    Today, the Sunday Shows will all be from Arizona. There will, I have no doubt, be many of them wanting to know if “rhetoric” and “tea parties” and “opposition to Barack Obama” did this.

    They will also bring up, as they did yesterday, Sarah Palin putting Gabrielle Giffords on her target list for defeat with a rifle scope symbol over her district.

    Here is what will either not be brought up, or if brought up, will only be mentioned in passing.

    Markos Moulitsas of the Daily Kos, the largest left-wing community online, put Gabrielle Giffords on a target list with a bullseye. Just as Sarah Palin removed her post, Markos has removed his.

    Another Daily Kos writer, just the other day, penned a post saying Congresswoman Giffords was dead to him.

    But then there is the real culprit — the shooter himself.

    A friend of the shooter’s described the shooter as decidedly “left-wing” as recently as 2007.

    On YouTube, he flagged as a favorite video one of a person dressed as a terrorist burning the American flag. Only a lunatic or a leftist would do that.

    His favorite work was not a Glenn Beck book, but a staple of every left-wing bookshelf, the Communist Manifesto.

    In the Communist Manifesto, there are numerous, frequent calls for violence against the bourgeoisies.

    Left-wing cartoonist Ted Rall’s most recent book calls for a violent response from the left against the right.

    Barack Obama himself told left-wing activists, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

    The point of all of this is not to blame Ted Rall, Mr. Obama, Media Matters, MSNBC, any other particular person or group on the left, or the left in general. It is also not to say in any way, shape, or form that the guy is of the left. If, however, we take the evidence as presented and not as the media and left would have it presented, the shooter very clearly is not of the right.

    More precisely, the shooter is neither left-wing nor right-wing. He is crazy and evil — a word not used enough. The guy is very clearly not of the tea party movement, not a Dittohead, not led by Sarah Palin, me, or anyone else on the right.

    But the media, at least as of this morning and its accumulated coverage so far on this matter, could not care less. The media is intent on yet again exploring right-wing rhetoric and tea party hate. Left-wingers yesterday were falling all over themselves to blame everyone on the right for the horrific shooting.

    The media today, as it begins more expansive reporting, will not let the facts get in the way of making the right, yet again, responsible for violence it neither incited nor enabled. In the process, the media’s credibility will continue to shrink.

    By the way, as an exit thought, the tea party movement won in November. Winners don’t go on shooting sprees.

  196. Any time something like this happens they try and blame the “right wing.” They blamed Dr. Pierce for the OK city bombing, and then the Columbine shooting. Now they are blaming the right wing for this, even though the shooter listed among his favorite books “The Communist Manifesto,” and “To Kill A Mockingbird,” among many other books.

    They just glance over all that and look for the first the first instance to blame the right wing so they can have a reason to penalize people that the ADL and the SPLC don’t like.

  197. turndownobama
    January 9th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    Eventually, the country will come to the realization that the left exploited the tragedy and tried to hang the wrong man. In the meantime, let it play out.

    ======================

    I hope your conclusion is right.

    ———————
    You are right of course. I am just hoping that the sun will come up tomorrow, the world will continue to turn, photosenthesis will occur, the water will come out of the spout when I turn the turn the handle. Since tomorrow has not happened yet, all we have to rely on is hope. But that it better than playing chicken little.

  198. Any time something like this happens they try and blame the “right wing.” They blamed Dr. Pierce for the OK city bombing, and then the Columbine shooting. Now they are blaming the right wing for this, even though the shooter listed among his favorite books “The Communist Manifesto,” and “To Kill A Mockingbird,” among many other books.

    They just glance over all that and look for the first the first instance to blame the right wing so they can have a reason to penalize people that the ADL and the SPLC don’t like.
    ———————————–
    Yes. And it is Orwellian. They are stealing our democracy, so when people object, they issue a cattle call to their herd to quell the objection. But there is too much at stake here, and it will not work. Notice how Erickson puts the blame on big media, not just the left wing blogs. In other words, this is corporate America promoting this hysteria. Make no mistake about that, and remember how these are the same miscreants who installed Obama.

  199. Why is Obama sending the head of the FBI down to Arizona? Obama never does anything, why is he doing this?

  200. confloyd.

    He wants a second term. He wants to look like a leader. Daley is probably orchestrating his return to messiah level.

  201. wow, what an amazing 20 year old intern who probably saved the rep..

    When the shots began that morning, he saw many people lying on the ground, including a young girl. Some were bleeding. Hernandez said he moved from person to person checking pulses.

    “First the neck, then the wrist,” he said. One man was already dead. Then he saw Giffords. She had fallen and was lying contorted on the sidewalk. She was bleeding.

    Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on her forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright against him so she wouldn’t choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious, but quiet.

    Ron Barber, Giffords’ district director, was next to her. Hernandez told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber’s wounds.

    Barber told Hernandez, “Make sure you stay with Gabby. Make sure you help Gabby.”

    Hernandez used his hand to apply pressure until someone from inside Safeway brought him clean smocks from the meat department. He used them to apply pressure on the entrance wound, unaware there was an exit wound. He never let go of her.

    He stayed with Giffords until paramedics arrived. They strapped her to a board and loaded her into an ambulance. Hernandez climbed in with her. On the ride to the hospital, he held her hand. She squeezed his back.

    When they arrived at the hospital, Hernandez was soaked in blood. His family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for evidence.

    He waited at the hospital while she went into surgery. He needed to tell police what had happened. He overheard people walking by talking about how Giffords had died. He also heard this on NPR. Later, he learned she had lived.

    “I was ecstatic,” he said. “She was one of the people I’ve looked up to. Knowing she was alive and still fighting was good news. She’s definitely a fighter, whether for her own life, or standing up for people in southern Arizona.”

    The fact that Hernandez was nearby and able to react quickly probably saved Giffords’ life, said state Rep. Matt Heinz, D-Tucson, and a hospital physician. He talked to Hernandez at the hospital after the shooting.

    Eight hours after the shooting, Hernandez stood with Giffords’ friends and staff and told them what had happened. The tall, strong 20-year-old said, “Of course you’re afraid, you just kind of have to do what you can.”

    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hernandez-gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting.html#ixzz1AYwFsnM2

  202. Bigcat keep us updated I refuse to tune into msm. No tv in my apartment and I plan on keeping it like that

  203. I am just hoping that the sun will come up tomorrow, the world will continue to turn, photosenthesis will occur, the water will come out of the spout when I turn the turn the handle.

    ===================

    We can’t stop the pendulum’s current direction, but we might clear the way for it to swing back.

    Obama is sending someone down from the FBI who may not be anxious to publicize evidence that contradicts the current spin. So this may be a case for the sort of research y’all like doing.

  204. Well I agree with Eric Erickson, it’s big media and corporate america. I am sure they are going to start this gun control crap again and shut down the internet and free speech. I tell you Obama is going to utilize this crisis to the utmost for himself and BM is going to help him.

    It’s just horrid, it reminds me of the sixties! It’s not the right’s or the lefts fault, its both and BM helping it out to sell it and make money. They are exploiting this for every dollar they can, but what are we all doing…watching it….just what they want us to do!

  205. JanH: “I thought just this once obama might show some emotion when he talked about Gifford. If anything, he seemed detached and just as cold as ever.
    Did anyone else see it the same way as I did?”
    *********

    I didn’t see it (no TV), but it’s exactly what I would expect. Maybe His words were right this time, but there’s no way He can hide the fact that He just doesn’t give a fuck.

    ********

    Mrs. Smith: “The real target by a third party is Sarah Palin. Turning public support away from a potential presidential candidacy.
    This is it in a nutshell. A Chicago CiA mission.”
    ======================

    Turndown: “Sigh. So why didn’t the Chicago CIA plant stronger evidence of a Palin connection, while they were at it?”
    ***********

    If CIA covert operations had a hand in this at all, you can be sure that any mishandling was due to them. CIA made sure the guy who got caught in Dallas after the JFK shooting had been trained in the USSR and spent some time in Cuba, to divert attention from them and spark American anger against the Soviets, just like 9/11 was later staged to put the US on a war footing. If Oswald had lived, he would have spilled the beans about “covert”. So covert staged another killing.

    CIA is perfectly capable of conducting covert operations within the US, including the killing of private and public citizens, but their agenda is always a little clearer. I don’t believe for a second that it has suddenly become a left-wing organization that wants to put the onus of an association on someone from the right, or even the Tea Party. They would not have plotted to have some whack job with no political history or intentions go on a shooting spree out west.

    I can imagine Covert conjuring up an assassination attempt against ø, not necessarily successful, with the perpetrators being muslims. Their plots can always be read like a movie scenario, with clear motives by people who can be painted as villains. Not so in this case.

  206. wbboei….Are you talking about Ernest Shackleton? I am a great fan of his. The IMAX movie of his expedition is incredible.

  207. Vanity4hillary
    January 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
    Bigcat keep us updated I refuse to tune into msm. No tv in my apartment and I plan on keeping it like that
    **************************
    i didn’t hear any more big new news in the press conference. Fox news guest said he has never seen an FBI Director take control of a scene before. Stay tuned.

  208. confloyd
    January 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Why is Obama sending the head of the FBI down to Arizona? Obama never does anything, why is he doing this?
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    I’ll guarantee you the Judge was shot with a different gun, not by Gifford’s shooter.

  209. This Sheriff in Pima is revving the propaganda up. He said you could probably call any shooting a hate crime in answer to a reporter’s question. Gross generalization, I think.

  210. Just driving by; my primary thought for Mueller was to suppress info if suspect has Latino or muslim ties. Just read at Fox he belongs to white supremacy. So that’s OK. That info can be given to the public because it’s politically advantageous to potus.

  211. CIA is perfectly capable of conducting covert operations within the US, including the killing of private and public citizens, but their agenda is always a little clearer. I don’t believe for a second that it has suddenly become a left-wing organization that wants to put the onus of an association on someone from the right, or even the Tea Party. They would not have plotted to have some whack job with no political history or intentions go on a shooting spree out west.

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    To be fair, Mrs. SMith was not accusing the real CIA. She said “Chicago CIA.” She was using ‘CIA’ as a metaphor for her supposed Chicago (ie pro-Obama) conspiracy.

    Still my point and yours stand: any competent conspirators ‘creating’ this shooting just to damage Palin, would have used a shooter with real connections to Palin, or at least planted some Palin material in his home or on his website.

  212. The stupid boot licker Democrats for Øbama haven’t gone through the 5 stages of grief yet.

    As for what happened to Rep. Giffords yesterday, the only one that can be blamed for it is the deranged shooter. Also, though, one has to consider that security was not a part of the event, so there is some blame to be placed in that regard, too. I have read many rotten comments from people blaming the tea party, and Sarah Palin for the violence yesterday. It’s sick to do so. I have been to two tea parties, and in my observation, they were attended by sane, ordinary people, who were quite respectful. And as noted from other events, they did not litter like the slobs that turn out for pro-progressive causes. I am very disillusioned with progressives any more. They are out there trying to blame everyone but themselves for what is wrong in America. I find that shameful, especially when it has been noted that the murderer was a fan of some potent leftist ideology. And as far as using violence in speech, what about Øbama bringing his gun to a fight in which his oppenents have knives, or Keithie saying Hillary should be taken to the woodshed not to be seen again? The left is really deranged anymore. Black is white, and white is black with them.

    Prayers for the victims, and their loved ones from yesterday’s events.

  213. the murderer was a fan of some potent leftist ideology.

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    Rand’s WE THE LIVING is not leftist, it’s rightist. Orwell is considered anti-communist. Loughner’s other books were balanced or not political. (Mein Kampf balances Communist Manifesto.)

  214. If you want to talk conspiracy, what about someone high up in Democratic party circles planning yesterday’s assault to help Øbama? It makes it look like the wackos are gunning for Democrats. It also reinforces the Democratic party anti-gun agenda. Additionally, it gave Øbama the chance to hoodwink Americans into thinking that he cares about anyone but himself.

  215. handily written by others as to the hypocrisy coming from the media……

    President Obama: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    And “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”

    Or John Kerry who said on the Bill Maher show: “I could have gone to 1600 Pennsylvania and killed the real bird with one stone.”

    Or Howard Dean “I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for…”

    and: “This is a struggle between good and evil and we’re the good?”

    and “we need to remember that the enemy here is George Bush, not each other.”

    Or Senator Chuck Schumer who called a flight attendant a “bitch.”

    Or the Florida Democrats who ran an ad calling for the assassination of Donald Rumsfeld

    Or New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi who called for Senator Schumer to “put a bullet between the president’s eyes?”

    Or Jonathan Chait who said “I hate President George W. Bush.”

    Or singer Rickie Lee Jones who aid of President Bush “You’re an ignorant, low-class, opportunistic man, both personally and politically, who does everything for political gain and nothing for the wellbeing of the people, and you should not be in office, and the kind of fascism you’re perpetrating on our country we don’t want, and you’re out. We’re done with you. Ffffhgggmm.”

    And when asked if she would be willing to take Bush out for the benefit of democracy? “If I say that, I might get arrested when I go back. And I have to go home.” She’s thinking it out carefully. “I guess the question is, would I kill anyone? And the answer is, no. But would I feel sorry if someone killed him? No, I wouldn’t. It would depend on who killed him, I guess.”

    Or “The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn” where they superimposed the words “Snipers Wanted” over an image of Bush delivering his acceptance speech at the Republican convention.

    Or Nobel Peace Prize winner Betty Williams who said she could kill President Bush?

    Or Randi Rhodes who joked about killing the President?

    Or Reverend Wright who called Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Condoskeeza [sic] Rice.

    Or England’s Charlie Brooker who wrote: “On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod’s law dictates he’ll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr – where are you now that we need you?”

  216. Has anyone else brought up the fact that most of the victims were female. This guy has a woman problem and guess what both sides of the political spectrum has that problem.

    Blaming poor Sarah Palin for this is just crazy. Big media is trying to blame her so they don’t have to take the criticism….its their freaking fault! They hype this partisen crap to the top to make the almight dollar.

    Money is the root of all evil in this world.

  217. turndown: “I hope your conclusion is right. Eventually everyone accepted that it was a Communist who shot JFK (except those who still think it was the CIA or Ladybird Johnson).”

    **********

    Oswald was probably a communist, but that does not exclude the participation of other people in that assassination business. It doesn’t explain why Ruby killed Oswald before he could be interrogated, and subsequently held to his bullshit alibi of patriotism. ‘Communist’ doesn’t explain either why Oswald would target Kennedy. Oswald was a hired gun, and he was one of at least two gunmen.

    I’m sure your reference to Lady Bird is facetious, but postulating that CIA was involved is not far-fetched at all. Someone had to provide the motive and the organization.

  218. I hate to say this, but more than it being against the repubs or the dems…the was against women and possibly a jewish woman! This is what we should be focusing on and not on right and left.

    Ms.Smith,
    I bet your right the judge was shot with a different gun! I think its just too convenient a female blue dog was targeted and she was jewish, of coarse BM will never say anything close to this!

    I hope they find the other guy of interest or this guy starts talking! We will never hear the truth though!

  219. moon — that’s just the demonRats against the repubs, the demonRats against Hillary was much worse or at least just as worse. I think Confluence at one point was keeping all the incidents, words “just words” etc of demonRats against Hillary.

  220. I see where the Morris Dees organization sent a memo to Homeland Security which reads like a KGB memo: there is “no direct connection” between Loughner and a white nationalist group group, “but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his MySpace and YouTube account.)

    Notice that this is not fact. It is supposition and conjecture. When they say no direct connection . . . but suspicion is being directed . . . the question I have is whose suspicion, on what basis, and to a man with only a hammer every problem looks like a nail.

  221. DC police: Suspicious object near White House………

    Nah thats just a bucket of chicken Wings Michelle forgot about.

  222. Oh I know Tim, they used much worse against Hillary, so fuck them, they deserve no sympathy or mercy from us in their pettiness.

  223. Military officials: Loughner was rejected from enlisting in Army because of drug use.

    The guys was mentally unstable probably constantly stoned off his face or using psychotropic drugs.

  224. TV Reports are now saying that Loughner was trying to load a second magazine into his gun when a woman who had been shot tried to stop him. The magazine jammed and two men tackled him. This guy sounds like he targeted mostly the women in the crowd.

  225. If you want to talk conspiracy, what about someone high up in Democratic party circles planning yesterday’s assault to help Øbama? It makes it look like the wackos are gunning for Democrats.

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    Same problem. Go to all that trouble but not plant some clear obvious anti-Democrat literature in Loughner’s possession?

  226. moon — you know I think is interesting that if we had not seen what happened to Hillary and experience what was thrown at her, and from fellow demonRats no less, we may never have known just how vile the far left is, for me I know it stunned me, everyday I used to watch CNN, etc, and everyday I would see a coordinated effort to go after Hillary, her records, everything and anything. I kept donating what I could to her campaign, did everything to help her, but the coordination from the media was so intense and constant, ironically Fox News was the only outlet fair to her.

    and the thing is the dems don’t realise millions of Hillary dems remember this, and remember it well, especially when they are now doing that same nonsense to Sarah. They seem to think hillary dems especially think of themselves as democrat first and not Americans first.

  227. The media is a pack of weasels! Just close your eyes and picture Stephanopolous as a weasel with che beret on. There you have it.

  228. lol……..

    Democrats: our bullseye targets on House districts are not like Palin’s crosshair targets

    Sarah Palin’s use of crosshairs to target Democratic House incumbents is dangerous symbolism, Democrats say. But a party spokesman says it’s “a stretch” to compare Palin’s imagery to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s use of red and white bullseyes last year to target Republican incumbents.

    Broward County Democratic Chairman Mitch Ceasar played the Palin card this week when he condemned GOP congressional hopeful Allen West for urging tea partyers to make Democratic U.S. Rep. Ron Klein “scared to come out of his house.”

    Palin endorsed West last week. So Ceasar noted that the former Alaska governor and VP nominee also recently “unveiled a national political map using rifle crosshairs to mark the members of Congress across the country who supported healthcare reform.”

    Klein isn’t on Palin’s map, but, Ceasar said, “West and his mentor Sarah Palin are shamefully stoking violent language and symbolism that threatens the safety of our leaders and public officials.”

    Some in the conservative blogosphere contend there’s not much difference between Palin’s map and the Democrats’ placement of bullseyes on the districts of “targeted Republicans” who voted against the $787 billion stimulus bill.

    Said National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Andy Sere: “We’re waiting with bated breath for an acknowledgment that all their recent outrage has been manufactured for political gain. In the meantime, we’re asking Merriam-Webster to add ‘D-C-C-C’ as an alternate spelling for ‘hypocrisy.’

  229. Amren is Antisemitic? You’re allowed to criticize anyone but Jews on there! They have a strict policy of hand-off the Jews.

    I suppose Jared Loughner has also been linked to Google and Facebook, since he used those sites. Maybe DHS will go after them, too.
    Oh give it a rest

  230. Occam’s razor (or Ockham’s razor[1]), often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae, translating to law of parsimony, law of economy or law of succinctness, is a principle which generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects.[2] For instance, they must both sufficiently explain available data in the first place.
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    This is the proper response to those who have political motive to tie this tragedy to the tea parties, etc. The simplest explanation? The guy was a nut job, who dabbled equally in left wing and right wing extremist thought, but in the end the motive was personal not political. Yes, Occams Razor frees you up from the chicken little types and the Morris Dees types who imply something through innuend when they cannot prove it. This explanation relies on the fewest assumptions, and is therefore more sound than any of the drivel spewed forth by the left, and their fellow travelers in big media.

  231. If only the global media had taken to the airwaves and print media with such vehemence when the Knoxville horror was committed.

    Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom

  232. Well no wonder his Facebook account was scrubbed so damn fast. A commenter named Seymour over on NQ just posted this:

    (snip) …so yesterday morning I called my CTO at corporate in California to screen capture Laughner’s FB Page and he got it seconds before it went down. Let me see if I can attach this.

    Nope it won’t attach. I’ll have this morphed into a JPEG photograph this afternoon and post it. Let me give one quote here from his site if I may as this will certainly come out in forthcoming investigations. So here is one Jared Laughner, Tucson, AZ:

    “Fight the Right! Obama and the Progressives will overcome the tyrrany of big business and the racist Tea Party.

    BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!”

    An outright Obama supporter if this is true. I hope this jpeg gets posted soon so it can go viral. I agree with the others pointing out these attacks against FEMALES are acute and way past over the top. THAT is the serious discussion this country needs to have immediately.

  233. Shez ZK
    January 9th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
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    He must have been inspired by the Dailykooks post on the Congresswoman then. Remember how the kooks went after Blanche Lincoln?

  234. How Palin Is Responsible For Rep. Giffords Being Shot
    By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on January 9, 2011 at 11:00 AM in Barack Obama, Congress (House & Senate), Crime, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Death Threats, Media Handling of Story, Sara Palin
    Or, as I like to call it, “Palin Derangement Syndrome On Steroids.”

    No doubt, you have already heard or read that many in the media made the leap that Gov. Sarah Palin is responsible for this assassination attempt on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, one of the truly good politicians. Yes, because Gov. Palin had a map with crosshairs for those districts to target in 2010, it is all her fault.

    Never mind that the DLC had one similar, and its was up before Gov. Palin’s. Oh, no – pay no attention to that. It might momentarily impede the self-righteous, sanctimonious meme that it is all Palin’s fault. Can’t have that.

    And never mind that Jared Lee Loughner is one seriously deranged dude, who had already been visited by police several times for making death threats. Or that, according to people who know him, he is actually a leftist-leaning liberal. We all know how much THOSE people, those Lefty communist-types do whatever Palin wants them to do, right? Right. Snort.

    All of this was recently captured in a Facebook exchange I had with my Obot follower sister. It all started with me writing this “incendiary” comment. Okay, ready? It’s really provocative, so hold onto your seats:

    What a senseless, horrendous, cowardly act, this shooting of Rep. Giffords, members of her staff, a Federal District judge, and innocent bystanders. My thoughts and prayers go out to those families who lost loved ones this day, including the parents of the 9 yr old girl, and Judge John Roll. I pray for the speedy and… complete recovery of Rep. Giffords, her staff, and others fighting for their lives after this attack.
    I included a link to The Hill, “Politicians React To Shooting Of Rep. Giffords.” Perhaps that is where it started. Who knows? What I got was this exchange:

    Sister, I’ve read some of the comments on the news sites about this, including “how dare you associate Sarah Palin with this shooting!” Um… maybe because on her website, she has Gabrielle Giffords depicted in a rifle’s crosshairs? Public figures, while not personally responsible for pulling the trigger[s], need to remember to communicate responsibly.
    How many more shootings do we need to have happen before this country WAKES UP and says NO MORE?!

    Me,And the DCCC had the same kind of map before Palin did, so it surely is not Palin’s fault, nor is it a Tea Party thing, as some have tried to claim. This was a deranged 22 yr old who opened fire on a crowd for whatever his own screwed up reasons were. The BIG question is how someone so completely unbalanced was able to purchase a gun. THAT is the issue, as opposed to trying to blame Palin for this despicable act.

    Me, As I continue looking at reports on Giffords, I don’t understand why Palin is being blamed for this when Loughner was a far leftist, who claimed the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf as his two favorite books. I doubt those are two of Palin’s faves. Wasn’t it Obama who instructed his followers, “if they bring a knife, we bring a gun“? Or DailyKos who wrote, just two days ago, that Rep. Giffords was “dead to” him? So, are they to blame? No. The one to blame is Loughner himself, not anyone else but him.
    Sister, I’m on the DCCC mailing list, and I sure don’t recall seeing anything with gunsights on it, or talk about reloading.

    And yes, how someone that unstable was able to buy a gun is a very good question!

    Me, I’ll send it to you. It most definitely was. The DLC had one, too. Heck, DailyKos targeted Rep. Giffords in 2008. Again, to blame this on Palin is ridiculous – the kid was a far lefty, not exactly a Palin follower, I’d wager.

    Seems like a reasonable wager, does it not? I mean, really – from all reports, this young man was not exactly the kind to dvr “Sarah Palin’s Alaska,” or anything. Well, evidently, I am wrong:

    Sister,Hitler was as far right as they come. And it doesn’t matter what Palin’s fave books are, it’s the words coming out of her mouth and the graphics on her website. (Those were just taken down today, a little late, if you ask me.)
    …Palin is not the ONLY person spewing hatred, but in this particular case,
    she did spew hatred directly at this particular Representative.

    As did Markos at DailyKos. He targeted her back in 2008. And he’s pretty left-leaning. But I digress. I guess I should be amazed she conceded that Palin isn’t the ONLY one hate-spewing, though that continues to assert that Palin IS engaged in hateful rhetoric.

    But wait, it gets better, albeit a bit repetitive (I know, I know, I should stop banging my head against the wall):

    Me By all accounts, this young man was a far Leftist. That DailyKos targeted Giffords, even claiming she was dead to him two days before the shooting, that doesn’t figure in at all? Or Obama telling his followers, “if someone brings a knife, you should bring a gun”? Honestly, I don’t think it should – but you sure shouldn’t try and pin this one on Palin. (The DCCC had their bulls-eye one up for a long time, too – but I guess that’s different.)
    Me, As for Hitler being “far right,” he advocated a centralized government, a National Socialism (hence, “Nazism).

    And that, dear friends, got me this response from a childhood friend:

    With all respect, somehow Hitler doesn’t come to mind as someone to defend. I think a take home from all of this should be a recognition that words have power. There is far too much violence and hatred in political speech these days. It serves no good and only weakens this country.
    Defending Hitler? By defining what Nazism is?? That kind of “logical” leap defies, well, logic:

    Me, Good grief…I am not defending Hitler. Don’t know how you made that leap. My sister said he was far right, which is incorrect, in her attempt to connect Sarah Palin to this murderer who listed Hitler’s book as one of his faves, as well as the Communist Manifesto. From all reports, Loughner is a liberal, so the attempted connection to Palin defies logic. That was ALL I was saying – I was not defending Hitler in any way, shape, or form…
    So you see, ladies and gentlemen, if you try to point out that the person responsible for this heinous act is the one responsible, not Sarah Palin for some map she did MONTHS ago, you are a Hitler apologist.

    Wow.

    Thankfully, my friend just wrote back and said this:

    My apologies. It read that way. My view, whether the shooter was far left or far right in the center of apolitical, the tone of political speech here has become increasingly bellicose, hateful and intolerant. Words have power. It creates… an atmosphere in which violence can occur. So no matter which “side” uses it, it creates and contributes to conditions for violent actions. Whether it influenced this guy, I hope this serves as a wake up call for the country to step back and change the way we talk to and about each other.
    True that. Though, still, the machinations people go through to resist in any way not blaming Palin for this, which ends up with someone reading a simple definition as an apology for Hitler, is staggering. Good grief. That should tell them something, shouldn’t it? I know, stop banging my head against the wall.

    It seems that people have completely lost sight of what is most important in all of this: a US Representative had an assassination attempt against her, one she has miraculously, so far, survived. In the meantime, though, a member of her staff was murdered, along with a Federal District Judge, John Roll, and several others. I just learned this morning, the 9 year old girl, Christina Greene who died, was born on 9/11:

    [snip] A neighbor was going to the Giffords event and invited Christina along because she thought she would enjoy it, said her uncle, Greg Segalini.
    Christina had just been elected to the student council at her school. The event, held outside a Safeway supermarket north of Tucson, was an opportunity for constituents to meet Giffords and talk about any concerns they had related to the federal government.

    “The next thing you know this happened. How do you prepare for something like this. My little niece got killed-took one on the chest and she is dead,” Segalini said outside the girl’s house.

    Christina was involved in many activities, from ballet to baseball, Segalini said.

    “She was real special and real sweet,” Segalini said. (Click HERE to read the rest.)

    So sad. It is a tragic, horrible, disturbing situation, resulting in a home-grown terrorist attack on one of the People’s representatives, and innocent bystanders. That there has become this extreme level of vitriol directed at Palin, or anyone else, is a failure to look at how we treat each other, the height of the vitriol we are willing to tolerate, the amount of hatred we are willing to spew at each other from the safety of our keyboards.

    Rep. Giffords is the best type of politician. She listens to her constituents, and thinks for herself. I hope and pray for a full and speedy recovery for her, and all those who were shot during this rampage.

    And for those whose lives were lost, my deepest sympathies and condolences to their families. This should never have happened, and we cannot allow it to happen again…

    We have become so disconnected from one another, it is heartbreaking. I brought back the conversation that this should not be about Palin, but about Rep. Giffords and the others in this attack. Another friend, a retired military chaplain, wrote the following:

    In the end I think we will learn that this was simply the deranged act of a very disturbed young man. It reminds me to “love GOD (higher power) with all my heart and soul, & to love my neighbor as I love myself. On these 2 commandments hang… all the law and the prophets.”
    in many ways I think I (we) have lost love for neighbor because I (we) have wandered away from the ability to genuinely properly love myself (ourselves). Just a thought… In many ways I think fear and “terrorists of all kinds” are winning. I pray I am wrong!!!!
    …One day at a time…NAMASTE

    Amen to that.

  235. moononpluto
    January 9th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
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    Haha! Or maybe it was the headless carcass of some poor chicken left behind from some voodoo ritual that her mom praticed on her last visit to the White House.

  236. NOMOBAMA….dont forget Sarah Palin is the high priestess of the Freemasons, responsible for the eruption of Mt St Helens and faked the moon landing.

    She really is something.

  237. a few thoughts…

    Admin asks…

    Oh what will they do with their broken-hearts? And Valentine’s Day is next month!

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    what will they do? they will do as many have said here…they will pivot and blame everything on Sarah Palin…non stop…pivot to Palin…

    makes me want to ask…with all the demonization of Palin and her children…what happens if some “nutjob” takes a hit at her or one of her kids? will the left finally take a look at themselves…for the left, they can do all the name calling and demonization, but not anyone else…they are control freaks…

    …caught a segment on CNN this am between left and right and who is to blame…Rachel ? from HP blamed everything on Palin…the guy from conservative talk radio brought up examples of O calling the opposition enemies…O quoted during primaries saying “if they bring a knife, he will bring a gun…he’s from Chicago” and quoting O and MO about getting in the faces of people and shaking them…

    …of course, no mention of how O and his thugs intimidated other Dems and Hillary supporters during the primaries…that is still basically off limits and must be kept quiet…

    the left, as we know it these days, only has the ability to project…we used to take the high road…not anymore…

    *************************************

    regarding our memories of Edwards and Trippi during the primaries, I want to add that I remember Trippi during the Iown primaries telling Hillary supporters that they were going to “kick her ass”…nice! (I believe Tapper reported it)

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    regarding the 22 year old killer from Arizona…I had a dear, fair minded, bright friend when I lived in Los Angeles…she moved to Arizona…we stayed in touch…she got in with some very far left groups in Arizona…they are obsessed with mind control, chemical spraying, 911 truthers, Bildenburg, they hold extreme views on the govt, etc…and I mean obsessed…to the point of be irrational…often I thought she was beginning to lose it…she has sinced moved to Northern CA and I don’t know if she has become more rational…

    …however, if i had to guess, I would bet this kid is part of that whole element in Arizona…they are incredibly paranoid…extremely far left…I do not mean to minimize legitimate concerns about topics above but there is a point where some cross the line of sanity, especially if they are unbalanced and/or using drugs and/or alcohol…and a 22 year old with mental problems can easily be exploited…

  238. Well no wonder his Facebook account was scrubbed so damn fast. A commenter named Seymour over on NQ just posted this:

    (snip) …so yesterday morning I called my CTO at corporate in California to screen capture Laughner’s FB Page and he got it seconds before it went down. Let me see if I can attach this.

    Nope it won’t attach. I’ll have this morphed into a JPEG photograph this afternoon and post it. Let me give one quote here from his site if I may as this will certainly come out in forthcoming investigations. So here is one Jared Laughner, Tucson, AZ:

    “Fight the Right! Obama and the Progressives will overcome the tyrrany of big business and the racist Tea Party.

    BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!”

    An outright Obama supporter if this is true. I hope this jpeg gets posted soon so it can go viral. I agree with the others pointing out these attacks against FEMALES are acute and way past over the top. THAT is the serious discussion this country needs to have immediately.
    —————————–
    If Sarah is responsible for this incident, then she must have Svengali control over deranged bots as well as tea party members, and that would make her a witch. That is the position of big media now, and they are engaged in a witch hunt, no different than tail gunner Joe McCarthy. What the rest of us must remember is the false accusation they made, how they tried to promote hysteria, and above all we must not let this moment pass when they try to change to subject. If you think I paint with too broad a brush, then my response is so do they–such as the Putlitzer Prize winning laughing hyena Eugenie Robinson who never fails to make a total ass of himself and his newspaper.

  239. BigCatLover
    January 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

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    :fainting: Oh what a shock that would happen over there… NOT! 😉

  240. Aaw poor looney left will be disappointed.

    Update: NBC reports that man described earlier as a ‘person of interest’ has been identified and his involvement in shooting ruled out

  241. Every time something like this happens, and it is shown to be another leftie committing a violent act, I get just a tiny bit of satisfaction from that fact. I don’t like the violence, but when the left immediately starts blaming their opponents for the violence, only to come to find out that it was one of their own comrades, it gives me a bit of satisfaction. They are a bunch of hypocritical fools.

  242. oh, one more thing about the far left in Arizona…they also blamed Israel for everything…the friend i mentioned above was Jewish, it did not matter…

    I noticed that the blogs and reports are starting to say that this kid might have belonged to anti-semetic groups…it goes with what i was trying to say…these groups are consumed by conspiracy theories and blaming everything on Israel…and there is no discussion with them…there is no room for dialogue

  243. Occam’s razor (or Ockham’s razor[1]), often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae, translating to law of parsimony, law of economy or law of succinctness, is a principle which generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects.[2] For instance, they must both sufficiently explain available data in the first place.
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    The simplest explanation? The guy was a nut job, who dabbled equally in left wing and right wing extremist thought, but in the end the motive was personal not political.

    =====================

    Exactly. Well, depending on what you mean by personal.

    As for why Gifford, at this time? She was a celebrity holding a parking lot meeting with no security — five minutes away from Loughner’s home.

    (Ref http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot )

  244. Well no wonder his Facebook account was scrubbed so damn fast. A commenter named Seymour over on NQ just posted this:

    (snip) …so yesterday morning I called my CTO at corporate in California to screen capture Laughner’s FB Page and he got it seconds before it went down. Let me see if I can attach this.

    Nope it won’t attach. I’ll have this morphed into a JPEG photograph this afternoon and post it. Let me give one quote here from his site if I may as this will certainly come out in forthcoming investigations. So here is one Jared Laughner, Tucson, AZ:

    “Fight the Right! Obama and the Progressives will overcome the tyrrany of big business and the racist Tea Party.

    BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!”
    —————————–
    The leftist got there too late. The incriminating evidence has been preserved. The speculation can now end. This is tantamount to a confession. He may be deranged, but the best source of his motivations are his own words. And there they are in black and white. He was not a tea partier. He was a bot. And bots do not march to the drumbeat of Sarah. And tea partiers who won the November elections do not go on shooting sprees. Now we must shed light on big media who promoted this hoax for their own partisan ends. Up to this point, perhaps, some people were still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. This revelation should resolve all remaining doubts as to their corrupt partisanship, and impeach their credibility as a purveyor of truth. Just remember NBC for example is the same organization which promoted the hoax of the exploding truck a few years back–courtesy of stone phillips and jane pauley, and they got their asses sued by GM for it and settled out of court for a huge but undisclosed amount.

  245. She was a celebrity holding a parking lot meeting with no security — five minutes away from Loughner’s home.
    —————————
    Occams Razor. What is true of foreign terrorists is also true of domestic ones. The closer they are to their home base, the more likely they are to follow through on their nefarious schemes.

  246. wbboei
    January 9th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Oh my goodness, I did not know that, do you have any links. I cannot remember this incident.

  247. Wow, I am behind on the blog…but just saw that the bullet when from the back of her brain to the front. Left side on the top.

    Amazing she is still alive and was able to respond.

    Heaven help her and all the victims.

  248. Daily Kos Scrubs Website; Removes Post Calling Giffords “Dead”
    Man who attempted suicide felt betrayed by Giffords; Calls her “DEAD” two days before assassination attempt

    By John Romano

    (YBH) – Yesterday the internet was abuzz with news that Sarah Palin’s website “Take Back The 20″ included an image of gun-sights over 20 Democrat held districts that were “targets” for the 2010 election cycle. Among those districts was Gabrielle Giffords’ Arizona congressional district. That website was taken down yesterday after the shooting of Ms. Giffords and 11 others.

    It turns out that Sarah Palin wasn’t the only one scrubbing the internet of violent imagery aimed at Ms. Giffords. Left-wing media outlet the Daily Kos removed a piece entitled “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!” by someone named BoyBlue. The emphasis is the Daily Kos blogger BoyBlue’s not ours.

    According to Google’s records the post was taken down just an hour after Ms. Palin’s website was removed from the internet yesterday.

    In the post, BoyBlue rambles on about having attempted to commit suicide earlier this year, writing:

    I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me.

    Anyway, after months of physical and mental rehab, I got back into the political scene and started working for Gabby [Giffords] once again. I raised over $100,000 for her and maxed her out myself out of my severance, even though i still don’t have work and could not qualify for state aid because of my severance.

    The writer then goes on to describe his sense of betrayal over Ms. Giffords flip-flop in supporting John Lewis as minority leader in the House of Representatives:

    She wins her re-election and told me she was still a supporter of Speaker Pelosi at her victory party. We talked about how Nancy Pelosi was a successful woman and accomplished oh so much in just four years as Speaker.

    Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports (out of the one eye in can still see out of) that Giffords voted AGAINST Nancy Pelosi as our Minority Leader. Rhetorical question: I fought back from my condition and jumped in with both feet to help Gabrielle Giffords for THIS s@#$???

    Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now. I won’t lift a finger, make one phone call, nor will i EVER vote for her in the future. And why did she do this? Giffords never told me she was conservative Democrat. And her voting record is okay. Damn.

    The chilling account above was written on the Daily Kos just two days before Ms. Giffords was allegedly shot by Jared Lee Loughner yesterday.

    “Scrubbing”, or removing unflattering opinions or images, is a new phenomenon particular to the internet age. Unfortunately, for those looking to hide a prior opinion or image Google’s caching function is robust. As stated, the Daily Kos has scrubbed its website of the above piece. However, the piece is still available using Google’s cache function.

    BoyBlue has been a member of the Daily Kos since April 22, 2006. His bio is simply listed as “Raygun [Reagan] allowed a holocaust of gay people from AIDS in the 80s. F@#$ him and his “memory”.Please give to Boxer, she’s in trouble and we NEED her!!!”. He has posted 27 “diaries” or articles on the website since then.

    The Daily Kos has printed an apology of sorts by BoyBlue this morning. In his “apology” post today he stated that whomever shot Ms. Giffords will most likely be found out to be “tied to the far right and even perhaps (not saying this definitively) to the Jesse Kelly campaign or simply some of his disgruntled sour grapes supporters.” Jesse Kelly was Ms. Giffords’ opponent in last years congressional race for Arizona’s 8th congressional district. He lost to Ms. Giffords by just over 4,000 votes.

    UPDATE: A user at the Daily Kos claims that BoyBlue removed the post himself after Giffords was shot. It is impossible to tell if he or Kos removed the post. For the record YBH! does not allow writers to remove posts after they have been printed. Only the editorial team has that ability. The policy was the same when I worked for Andrew Breitbart at Big Hollywood. NOTE: We’d love some clarification from the Daily Kos on this. I have reached out to Daily Kos Publisher Markos Moulitsas for his comments.

    CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story stated in the last paragraph that all posts by BoyBlue were removed by the Daily Kos yesterday. That is not the case, only the offending post was removed. YBH! regrets the error.

  249. “Sarah Palin wasn’t the only one scrubbing”

    Not true, her spokesman gave several interviews, there was nothing to scrub.

  250. Tim, I should have added my own comments to my last post. I agree with you. The part of the post that I wanted to highlight was about the DailyKos website.

  251. Why is the media not focusing on why Gabrielle Giffords was really targeted for assassination by Jared Loughner? Look at her. Until the shooting, no one would know Gabrielle Giffords-Kelly was Jewish. I have seen both her stills and they have aired her videos on television. She does not look like, or sound like or openly act like an east coast liberal New York Jew. She looks like a fresh-faced, Midwest Gentile matron you’d find at any evangelist church. As a “blue dog” Democrat “moderate,” she was careful to straddle the issues to offer the least offense to anyone. So why did she arouse this whacko leftist’s ire? Could it be, that even with her Democrat Party affiliation, she more closely resembled a Neoconservative Republican? IMO, she’s the Democrat that RINO, John McCain, should have been … if he were more conservative!

    It is important to note that Giffords has a very cozy relationship with a lot of Arizona Republicans who even uncharacteristically endorsed her for re-election rather than actively fielding and running a candidate against her. The RINO Rule 101 in Getting Elected has always been to run a campaign to the right, but govern center-left. Well, it looks to me like Giffords won her seat in a conservative state like Arizona by employing this gambit, confusing and angering her leftist shooter.

    More attention needs to be called to his angry “she is dead to me” diatribe he posted after she “defied” Pelosi to get re-elected. Pelosi wasn’t fooled; she went out of her way to recruit “blue dog” Democrats to lure conservatives away from RINO Republicans, knowing that these Freshman Democrats could/would not buck her on anything important. But she DID fool Jared Loughner.

    IS DAILY KOS INVOLVED IN ARIZONA MURDERS? “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!” — eerie Daily Kos hit piece on Gabrielle Giffords just two days before assassination attempt; repeated use of word &#822

    Now this nonsense with Loughner reminds me of how violent and vindictive the Left is prepared to get against ANY woman they think is straying off their plantation. There was Playboy’s leftist writer, Guy Cimbalo’s rape fantasy concerning ten Conservative women he would like to rape:

    “Obama promised us the dream of post-partisanship-a cuckoo land where party affiliation and factional animosity were forgotten. Turn on cable news or open any newspaper, however, and you’ll quickly discover that the dream has yet to materialize. But there is a way to reach across the aisle without letting principles fall by the wayside. We speak, naturally, of the hate f***. We may despise everything these women represent, but goddammit they’re hot. Let the healing begin.”

    There is, of course, the lewd, leftist loud-mouthed lesbian “comedienne,” Sandra Bernard who called Sarah Palin a “goy whore” and threatened to have her gang-raped by her “black brothers” if she dared set foot in Manhattan.

    May I add that ALL the women the Left want to “discipline” in this fashion are Neoconservatives, relentlessly cheering the War on Terror and shaking their pom-poms for Israel?

    From this POV, literally raping a “treacherous whore” like Gabrielle Giffords was not an option for a homosexual like Jared Loughner, but a symbolical, metaphorical rape was. Freud would have a field day with this. The very shape of a gun barrel is phallic and the area encompassing the trigger is testicular in shape. It stands to reason that he purchased a handgun as a surrogate penis, filled it with bullets as lead semen so that he could forcibly penetrate Giffords’ “conservative Zionist” body in the misogynist fashion called for by the Loony Left.

    When Rape Fantasies Involve Conservative Women, Feminists Are Silent

    10 Hateful Anti-Woman Acts by Leftist

    Giffords, as a Jewish female “Blue Dog Conservative” Democrat was the victim of the most lunatic manifestation of the misogynist, Anti-Zionist left wing of the Democrat Party. This will NOT be honestly investigated by the press, because it does not fit their leftist agenda. Moreover, the Democrat Party, in collusion with its MSMinions, is letting no good crisis/opportunity go to waste by painting this as the work of a right-wing militia kook group:

    Breitbart.tv » Dem Pollster: Obama Needs Another Oklahoma City Bombing to Reconnect

    Predictably, the FBI and police authorities’ remedy to lawlessness is to impose more restrictions on the freedoms of the law-abiding. That means the internet must be restricted, Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage need to shut up, and the Tea Party activists “need to tone down the rhetoric.” Why are we surprised?

    Never mind that, long before there WAS talk radio and the internet, politicians were being assassinated. Thanks to our defective public education system, without Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage whispering in his ear or the internet to instruct him, today’s modern wannabe assassin will be like, totally neutralized and bureaucrats can safely continue thumbing their noses at their constituents forever and ever, amen!

  252. The presidents rhetoric Spin this lib=tards:
    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.” Seems Mr. Obama has a penchant for the “incendiary” rancor himself…

  253. Megan Kelly just interviewed the Dad (on the phone) of the little girl that was shot, he was wonderful and it was heartbreaking.

    Note in a safe of killer, claimed he was going to kill that #@#$% lady, signed. Also had letter from the Senator thanking him for attending her ‘Congress on the Corner’ in 2007.

  254. Megan Kelly is now interviewing the Sheriff again and he is constantly pushing the political rhetoric and even went so far as to say that when people try to stop efforts to make this country better like Gifford who voted for the healthcare bill (my paraphrase not a direct quote). Megan is carefully calling him out for making this so political at this point and she also pointed out that he is a Democrat. He is really politizing this.

  255. The dad of little Christina (the 9 yr old) spoke with Megyn Kelly on Fox, what a heartwrenching story, may this precious little soul rest in peace. That a tragic horrifying event. God Bless all these victims.

  256. This Sherriff has no business commenting on an ongoing legal investigation, he must stick to the legal facts and not offer any opinion, he could easily be sued or put himself in legal jeopardy in the court case by pursuing bias.

  257. BigCatLover
    January 9th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    you saw it as well? I have never ever heard of a Sheriff being this blatantly political, Senator Kyle has already called him out to stop this political postering, he is there to enforce law, and that’s it, if he wants to make laws, then he needs to win a seat in the legislature. I have never seen a Sheriff be this blatantly politically partisan.

  258. Apparently The sheriff has obtained a lawyer which probably means that he knew this person was a threat to society and failed to protect the public.

    From what i’ve read, this boy was known to the sherrif as making various threats before….why was nothing done?

  259. tim
    The Sheriff has been talking like this since his press conference yesterday afternoon. I can’t believe someone has not warned him of the possible consequences of that kind of talk from a law enforcement leader.

  260. moon — is that really true, he has now taken a lawyer? because based on what he said, this gunman has had issues with Rep. Giffords since 2007, and nothing was done?

    and aren’t there some legal consequences if keeps blabbing his political biases?

  261. tim
    January 9th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
    BigCatLover
    January 9th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    you saw it as well? I have never ever heard of a Sheriff being this blatantly political, Senator Kyle has already called him out to stop this political postering, he is there to enforce law, and that’s it, if he wants to make laws, then he needs to win a seat in the legislature. I have never seen a Sheriff be this blatantly politically partisan.
    ———————————————–
    Tim–Yesterday, I noted that this sheriff is a problem. That was before he started mouthing off this morning, trying to make political hay out of a tragedy. Here is what I said on that occasion:

    wbboei
    January 9th, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I am not sure how much faith I would place in this sheriff. I think he has a political ax to grind. He refuses to enforce the Arizona immigration law within his country. So he is running a sanctuary in violation of state law. I read this on the comment section of another website. Hence, any attempt he makes to tie this tragedy to the tea parties, in the absence of hard proof, should be viewed as exploiting a tragedy for political gain. It does not get much lower than that for a politician. But it is de rigeur for big media.

  262. Tim first thing is, if he keeps running his mouth off, he becomes a biased witness. Unusable in court. Prosecution would have a field day.

    He should not be commenting other than yes/no, i cannot comment, the local DA’s should have shut him up.

  263. nomobama
    January 9th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    There are many Jews who despise Israel. I find that sad. Are they self-hating is some way?

    ———————-

    I’m having a hard time with the above statement. I would venture to say that this is not specific to Judaism but to all races. In other words, there are probably Christians who hate the Vatican and Moslums who hate…

  264. The Ace website just did a post on this sheriff, tht title is:

    “Arizona Sheriff Says He Doesn’t Know Why Loughner Shot Giffords And Others But He’s Pretty Sure It’s Because Of Republicans ”

    That’s pretty much the impression I go listening to this man, and heck I’m not even a republican, can a Sheriff be replaced? I know they are elected, but if they so blantantly biased, then can they be replaced so that the investigation can be done fairly by someone else?

  265. Oh my goodness, this Sheriff seems pretty incompetent/irresponsible or at the very least very very biased based on his interviews he did with Keith Oblernut, yes that unhinged Keith Olbernut on MSNBC. Ace’s website has the contents of that interview, how is this man still the Sheriff?

  266. Sheriff is obviously taking orders from someone else to use this opportunity to further politics. Isn’t the investigation now federal with federal charges filed, and maybe that means he feels he can voice his own opinion, over and over and over…

  267. I condemn the attack. However, the media will want to say “Rhetoric” caused this.

    If that’s true, then we can blame the media on the epidemic of black on white crime.

    We can blame them for white self hated. And a whole host of other things.

  268. There were warning signs about Loughner it appears but no one followed up on it. These are emails from a fellow student who attended a math class with him in June:

    Jared Loughner’s behavior recorded by college classmate in e-mails
    By David A. Fahrenthold

    In early June, Lynda Sorenson, 52, had gone back to community college in Tucson in hopes of getting back on the job market. One of her classes was a basic algebra class–and one of her classmates was Jared Loughner, now identified by authorities as the man who killed six people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in a shooting rampage Saturday. Sorenson’s e-mails to friends from last summer, provided to the Washington Post, reveal her growing alarm at Loughner’s strange and disruptive
    behavior in class.

    From June 1, the first day of class:

    “One day down and nineteen to go. We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I’m not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon.”

    From June 10:

    “As for me, Thursday means the end to week two of algebra class. It seems to be going by quickly, but then I do have three weeks to go so we’ll see how I feel by then. Class isn’t dull as we have a seriously disturbed student in the class, and they are trying to figure out how to get rid of him before he does something bad, but on the other hand, until he does something bad, you can’t do anything about him. Needless to say, I sit by
    the door.”

    From June 14:

    “We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird. I sit by the door with my purse handy. If you see it on the news one night, know that I got out fast…”

    The class’s instructor, Ben McGahee, said in an interview Sunday that Loughner had been removed from class in its third or fourth week, because of repeated disruptions.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/jared-loughners-behavior-recor.html?hpid=topnews

  269. Vanity4hillary
    January 9th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    ==============

    BEtter check a lot of your assumptions. There is no evidence nor anyone else claiming that Loughner was the KOS poster who posted ‘dead to me.’

    Your other material sounds so crazy I scrolled past it.

  270. Clinton urges Gulf to keep focus on Iran sanctions

    By Lachlan Carmichael (AFP) – 2 hours ago

    ABU DHABI — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Sunday urged Arab states in the Gulf to stay focused on sanctions against Iran over its controversial nuclear programme, at the start of a regional tour.

    “We don’t want anyone to be misled by anyone’s intelligence” reports, Clinton told reporters on her plane before landing in Abu Dhabi.

    “We expect all of our partners who share that concern (over Iran)… to stay as focused as they can and to do everything within reason that will help to implement these sanctions,” she said.

    Clinton had been asked whether Gulf Arab states would be tempted to relax the pressure on Iran now that new Israeli estimates suggest Iran would take longer to acquire the capacity to build a nuclear bomb than previously feared.

    On December 29, Israel’s strategic affairs minister, Moshe Yaalon, said the Islamic republic’s nuclear programme has been beset by difficulties, leaving Tehran still about three years away from being able to build nuclear weapons.

    “The timeline is not so important as the international effort to try to ensure that whatever the timeline Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons,” Clinton said.

    “I don’t know that it gives much comfort to somebody who is in the Gulf… or is in a country that Iran has vowed to destroy that it’s a one-year timeline or a three-year timeline,” she said.

    Israel, which has the Middle East’s sole if undeclared nuclear arsenal, regards Iran as its principal threat, after repeated predictions by hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of the Jewish state’s demise.

    Along with the West, Israel suspects Iran of trying to develop atomic weapons under the guise of a civilian nuclear programme, a claim Tehran denies.

    Israel has backed US-led efforts to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapons capability through sanctions, but it has also refused to rule out military force.

    Under US pressure, the UN Security Council last June imposed a fourth round of sanctions against Iran in a bid to halt its uranium enrichment programme.

    US President Barack Obama’s administration says it believes that the sanctions are “beginning to bite” and have helped to force Iran to return to negotiations over its nuclear ambitions.

    Host Turkey said a new round of talks involving Iran and the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany will take place in Istanbul on January 21 and 22.

    A previous round between Iran and the six world powers in Geneva on December 6 and 7 ended without any sign of progress.

    In her five-day trip to the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Oman and Qatar, Clinton said she will also urge the region to cooperate more to advance democratic, economic and social reforms.

    Iraq and the stalled Palestinian-Israeli peace process will also be on the agenda as Clinton visits Abu Dhabi on Monday, the UAE commercial hub of Dubai on Tuesday, Muscat on Wednesday, and Doha on Wednesday and Thursday.

    As with the preceding administration of George W. Bush, Obama’s team is urging Sunni Arab allies in the Gulf to overcome what it sees as lingering reservations and build closer ties with the new Shiite-led Iraq.

    Obama on Tuesday congratulated Iraq after its parliament endorsed a new government led again by Shiite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, saying the move was a “significant” historic moment and represented a rejection of extremism.

    Washington sees the new government — finally formed after elections in March — as more broadly representing Iraq’s people, including the Sunni minority which dominated the country under Saddam Hussein and his predecessors.

    “I’d like to see every (Gulf) country open an embassy. I’d like to see normal relations. I’d like to see the leaders of Iraq invited and consulted,” Clinton said on the plane.

    She said she expected Iraq’s reintegration into the region to be an item on the agenda of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) when she visits Doha. The GCC is made up of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

    US officials said Kuwait, Bahrain and the UAE have posted ambassadors in Iraq, but Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia and Yemen have no diplomatic mission there.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5grUF8qcs4sDywpPWsc5Px8oaRCmA?docId=CNG.d9c15ccdbcf1859c4040f88926083f32.721

  271. Iraq and Iran top Clinton’s visit agenda

    ABU DHABI // Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, arrived in the capital late last night for a tour of the region, during which she will press Gulf allies for broader support of the new Iraqi government and discuss how to resolve the stand-off over Iran’s nuclear programme.

    The impact that UN sanctions have on the UAE, one of Iran’s largest trading partners, and how the country could better apply the sanctions would be on the agenda, state department officials said.

    “Sanctions … we understand do hit hard countries that have had economic and commercial relations with the country being sanctioned,” one senior state department official said. “These countries, in the case of the UAE, they’re right across the water. Bandar Abbas is 150 miles from Dubai.”

    The UAE has pledged to enforce UN Security Council sanctions against Iran, a fourth round of which was passed last June. But Iranian traders in the country, many of whom have lived here for decades, say that legitimate business is being throttled as a result of tougher unilateral sanctions imposed by the US.

    The US is also seeking the opinions of the UAE and neighbouring Gulf leaders on how to make talks between Iran and representatives of the UN Security Council plus Germany succeed, to “try and unknot this problem that we find ourselves in internationally with the Iranians and their nuclear ambitions”, another senior state department official said.

    Negotiations are scheduled to resume later this month in Istanbul. GCC countries often argue that the outcome of the talks impacts them directly and they should play a role in resolving the dispute.

    In the capital, Mrs Clinton is scheduled to meet Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, and Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed, the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

    Later she will visit Dubai, where she will meet Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid, the Vice President of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai. Mrs Clinton will speak at Zayed University and will also visit Masdar, the UAE’s green city initiative.

    Her visit comes at a crucial time for Iraq, which only recently formed a government that incorporated most major religious and ethnic groups in the country. It had suffered an eight-month paralysis following inconclusive elections in March of last year. The US has 50,000 non-combat troops in Iraq who are scheduled to leave by the end of the year.

    State department officials said that they hoped to elicit broader support for the new Iraqi government from leaders in the region. “It is important for the region to step up and provide them support,” one of the officials said. “It is important for Iraq, frankly, to be reintegrated back in the region.” One way, the official said, was for Gulf countries to open embassies in Iraq and to attend the Arab League summit scheduled to be held in Baghdad in March, and to issue public statements of support for the new government.

    The UAE has already established an embassy in Iraq, and Sheikh Abdullah issued a statement congratulating the new Iraqi government when it was formed.

    Ayad Allawi, the leader of Iraqiyya, the largest Sunni-backed political bloc, visited the UAE shortly after he announced that he was joining the new government in Iraq as head of a national strategic policy committee.

    Mrs Clinton will also visit Oman and Qatar. The secretary’s visit will emphasise the role that civil society has to play in the Gulf, including ways to tackle social issues like child marriage or domestic violence, promoting business development and the role of young people, who make up the majority of the region’s population, in development.

    http://www.thenational.ae/featured-content/home/middle-article-teaser/iraq-and-iran-top-clintons-visit-agenda

  272. This history in BoyBlue’s ‘dead to me’ post does not match Loughner’s history, sfaik.

    Left-wing media outlet the Daily Kos removed a piece entitled “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!” by someone named BoyBlue. The emphasis is the Daily Kos blogger BoyBlue’s not ours.
    [….]
    The Daily Kos has printed an apology of sorts by BoyBlue this morning.

    Which means that either BoyBlue’s account is still being used normally (unlikely if he were Loughner) — or that Kos is forging posts on it. Which would be illegal tampering with evidence if BoyBlue were actually implicated in the shooting; Kos has no motive to take such a risk.

    According to Google’s records the post was taken down just an hour after Ms. Palin’s website was removed from the internet yesterday.

    In the post, BoyBlue rambles on about having attempted to commit suicide earlier this year, writing:

    I am gay and had been married and my spouse left me January 15, 2010. I shot myself in the mouth in a serious suicide attempt, because of that. Barely surviving, I spent two months in the hospital and still have some paralysis. I did receive a severance from my employer, as i had been laid off in December, 2009. That may have been part of the reason my spouse left me.

  273. OMG, James Clyburn is now on Fox News. I was not paying attention until I looked up and saw him. He’s talking about security at airports, etc. I don’t know if this interview was recorded earlier. I never expected to see him on Fox.

  274. Sorry I fouled up my last post. All of it was quoted except the following, which was mine:

    Which means that either BoyBlue’s account is still being used normally (unlikely if he were Loughner) — or that Kos is forging posts on it. Which would be illegal tampering with evidence if BoyBlue were actually implicated in the shooting; Kos has no motive to take such a risk.

  275. BigCatLover
    January 9th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Gee, so surprising. not!

    I guess he has forgotten what he and the Obots like him did to Bill with the whole “fairytale” word in South Carolina.

  276. “Clyburn now defending the Sheriff in AZ and saying he has it right, words do have consequences.”

    ——————-
    er…um…with the exception of any words the dims say of course.

  277. I think Bret Bear? on Fox is a pretty good interviewer, he seems to be very calm and fair in his questioning.

  278. First the verdict, then the hanging, then the facts. If you recall the scene in the movie Dr. Zhiviagho where the doctor confronts the blood thirst left wing intellectual turned butcher Ceneral Schrelikoff in the estate room of his train from which he directs an orgy of politically inspired killing across the steppes of mother Russia. Zhivago beholds the nightmare in red and points out that village he burned was not selling supplies and munitions to the white Russians as Schtrellakoff an avowed leftist erroneousl assumed when the lit the match. His response was simple and to the point: a village was burned, a point was made. Zhivago’s reply was equally succinct: your point, their village. Blame big media.
    ——————————————————-
    The End Justifies The Means

    On Saturday, two horrific acts of evil took place in America that were both sad and infuriating:

    The first, most heinous act, occurred when six people were slaughtered (including a federal judge and a nine-year old little girl born on 9/11/01) and multiple others that were gunned down in Tuscon, AZ.

    The second atrocity occurred within minutes after the violence in Tucson, when the nation’s hardcore Leftists and mainstream media tried—and failed—to convince America that Emma Goldman killed President William McKinley. By the logic of the Left, Emma Goldman, whose vitriolic rhetoric against the government, her opposition to Christianity, and general anarchist preachings was, from hundreds of miles away, somehow responsible for the death of President McKinley as surely as if her hand was on the gun and her finger pulled the trigger.

    Flashback – 1901:

    While extending in friendly greeting his hand of fellowship, in the Temple of Music at the Pan-American Exposition, William McKinley, President of the United States, was shot down at the hands of either an Anarchist or a lunatic, a few minutes after 4 o’clock yesterday afternoon.

    [snip]

    The assassin, in a confession made to the District Attorney, court officials and the police at midnight, said that his name was Leon Czolgosz, that he was 28 years old, a blacksmith, and that he had come to Buffalo from from his home in Cleveland three days ago with the express intention of assassinating the President. He said he had been a student of Emma Goldberg, the Anarchist, had approved her doctrines and did not believe in this form of government. He described with accuracy and with seeming pride the preparations he had made to kill the President, how he had practiced in folding the handkerchief about his hand so as to conceal the revolver, and described how he had shot the President.

    Despite the fact that Leon Czolgosz—and not Emma Goldman—assassinated President McKinley, by the Left’s logic on Saturday, it was as Emma Goldman, through her anarchist preaching that killed President McKinley. According to the Left’s logic, martial law should have been declared and Emma Goldman (and all anarchists) should have been rounded up*.

    In other words, claims were made on Saturday, within minutes and before the facts had even been established, that the evil that occurred in Tuscon was directly associated with “right-wing rhetoric.” Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the whole Tea Party movement were all responsible for the actions of the gunman in Arizona.

    As Erick Erickson pointed out, ”the tea party movement won in November. Winners don’t go on shooting sprees.” The Left’s attack on Saturday, however, was not an impromptu misguided attempt to assign blame, it was nothing more and nothing less than an Alinsky-style lynching of the Right. The ends justify the means—even if those means are based on a lie. The fact that the ‘guilt by association’ argument (a well-used propaganda technique) may have even been planned or coordinated, as the facts became more clear, the Left’s rush to judgment was not only evil, it was also flat-out wrong. Facts do not matter to the Left if it fits their narrative.

    On Saturday, within minutes of the reports that Congresswoman Giffords had been shot in the head at point blank range, because she is a Democrat who was on Sarah Palin’s 2010 “Target List” for the mid-term elections, much of the Left on social media began accusing Sarah Palin and Tea Party activists of being responsible for the shooting. The Pima County Sheriff jumped into the blame game. Markos Moulitsas, founder of the far-left Daily Kos, who had (himself) listed Congresswoman Giffords on his own “Target List” for the Democratic primaries was tweeting for hours on the topic.

    The use of Sarah Palin’s target list is made even more hypocritical in view of the DLC’s use of targets on their own “target list” [via Verum Serum]:

    The Left-wing hate rhetoric even extended to Jane Fonda, who had this to say on her blog:

    But today, my heart and mind is full of the horriffic news of the shooting in Arizona of Rep Gabrielle Giffords and others by, I am sure, right wing fanatics who have been repeatedly harassing and threatening Giffords, egged on by Sarah Palin and Glen Beck and Tea Party members.

    We must stop this madness, this violent rhetoric which media exploits!!

    Before information was even in on the actual shooter, Left-wing haters were shouting from the rooftops (from their keyboards, actually) that racist “Teabaggers” were responsible for the shooting. These are just a few of the Tweets:

    The Left’s sheer hypocrisy at claiming the Right engages in vitriolic rhetoric is even more diabolical when all they have to do is look in the mirror (or listen to Barack Obama). However, one can only imagine how deeply disappointed they became when they learned that their accusations were wrong. You see, in their demented rush to heap blame on the Right, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement, the hard-core Left and their sycophantic followers in the media forgot to do something really important…check the facts.

    As in other cases, the facts don’t really matter to the vile and vitriolic Left because the ends justify the means. They were so certain that the shooter was going to turn out to be a Tea Party activist, some right-wing nut job, that their giddiness at being able to paint the brush could not contain itself long enough for the facts. [And, yes, the Leftists appeared giddy at the shooting and their ability to blame the Right at something so heinous.]

    Through the day on Saturday, as more information became known about the shooter, Jared Loughner, it turned out the killer appears to be, as are most assassins throughout history, just a plain whack-job loser. If anything, it could be made (with vitriolic rhetoric) that the killer is more aligned with the Left as his listing of Marx’s Communist Manifesto and Hitler’s Mein Kampf among his favorite books, as well as his flag-burning video are not something that any rational Lefty could associate with the beliefs of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh or most Tea Party activists.

    Claiming that a Left-wing whack job is the one who killed a little girl and five others would be stooping to the gutter-level lows of the Left though. Instead, it appears that Jared Loughner has more in common with Leon Czolgosz, the whack-job loser who shot President McKinley in 1901.

    * In 1901, Emma Goldman, was in fact arrested by police in Chicago who detained her believing she might be part of a conspiracy to kill the President. She was later released though as it became clear that she could not be blamed for the actions of a madman.

    Just as anarchist Emma Goldman could not be held responsible for the actions of a madman, for the Left to try to destroy the Tea Party movement at all costs, including assigning Jared Loughman’s actions to Sarah Palin, Beck or anyone else’s rhetoric is insidiously evil.

    Lastly, for all the hyperbole that will be heaped on by the Left over the coming days and weeks ahead about toning down the rhetoric, they need to clean out their own mouths first.

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    “I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes.” Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

    http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/01/09/the-ends-justify-the-means-the-day-emma-goldman-shot-president-mckinley/

  279. Sheriff in AZ should stick to the facts and leave his political view to himself. He talks about folks on tv and the radio ramping up the discourse and implying that it is to blame for this shooting……………not even aware that he is doing what he blames others of.

    Someone get the duct tape!

  280. I think Bret Bear? on Fox is a pretty good interviewer, he seems to be very calm and fair in his questioning.
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    He is good enough to get under Obama’s skin, which is far more than can be said for O’Reilly. When I saw the headline stating that Bill O will “grill” Obama at the Super Bowl at half time, I had vision of a tail gate party, with hot dogs, burgers and beer. That is about all you will get out of that namby pamby O’Reilly. How different from the time he interviewed Hillary. I am telling you right now that guy is a phony baloney.

  281. “Clyburn now defending the Sheriff in AZ and saying he has it right, words do have consequences.”
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    Not true. But assuming arguendo that it is true, then Obama is in pare delicto. The better point about this numbskull Clyburn is that he will not say what he is doing, he is not that honest. He is a backstabber, and a passive aggressive.

  282. turndownobama
    January 9th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    The post you responded was a copy and paste from a silly democratic blog.And everybody with sense know it is a cover up to real HATE crimes by them media. So you can read pass it if you like.

  283. Do words have consequences? In this context? How does Clyburn intend to prove that what Sarah said caused this loon to do what he did? The truth is he cannot prove anything. It just more diarrea of the mouth we have come to associate with this corrupt backstabbing racist–James mr patronage Clyburn–a total waste of protoplasm.

  284. Bill to Ban Crosshairs

    Representative Bob Brady of Pennsylvania told The Caucus he plans to introduce a bill that would ban symbols like that now-infamous campaign crosshair map.

    “You can’t threaten the president with a bullseye or a crosshair,” Mr. Brady, a Democrat, said, and his measure would make it a crime to do so to a member of Congress or federal employee, as well.

    Asked if he believed the map incited the gunman in Tucson, he replied, “I don’t know what’s in that nut’s head. I would rather be safe than sorry.”

    ………………………………

    So will that Bill only effect Republican campaigns or will Dems be free to put “snipers wanted” and “crosshairs” like they did on Bush’s head. What a fucking kneejerk reactionary joke.

  285. tim
    January 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

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    I agree with you. Brett Baer is better than most of them.

  286. Apart from being a fat slob, the Bob Brady of Pennsylvania author of that bill to ban cross hairs is not what you would call a choir boy. He is a whore, as you can readily see:

    Bob Brady: He Was Here Before You Were Born, And He’ll Be Here After You Are Dead

    Like he was born to do, Pennsylvania’s 1st congressional district Rep. Bob Brady is running unopposed today. And you know that means: It doesn’t matter that he was Abscam afterbirth. (This is Philly; it never mattered.) It doesn’t matter that when he talks about street money, it’s like he’s talking about a birthright of some kind. It doesn’t matter that Fox29 has been running an ad for months now to show how hard-hitting their news desk is supposed to be, with some shiny wonk saying, “With all due respect, sir, don’t you think you’re a little late to the game?”

    That little Fox29 Ron Burgundy ponce isn’t fit to shine Brady’s shoes, and should be swatted down for his insolence with a foot-long hot dog from Pat’s Steaks. Because here is what does matter: Bob Brady is the motherfucking game, and it doesn’t matter what you think. Because there is no Lord Of The Rings without a motherfucking gollum. There was no Mayor Nutter until Bob Brady said there was. Did you see what he did to Pia Varma? That’s what Bob Brady does. You’re not even reading this post. It’s shit you already know in your blood. You know how dogs and bees can smell fear? Bob Brady IS THE MOTHERFUCKING DOGS AND BEES. It doesn’t matter what you think. You got that? OK, good.

    Philebrity is now officially calling it that Bob Brady has won in all precincts. Now, on behalf of Bob Brady, you can go fuck yourself. That’s just the way it is. If you don’t like it, you can move to Portland.

  287. Did the right wing blame the left on reagan attempted assassination ? Uh the left are a bunch of idiots.

  288. Posted by Dan Spencer (Profile)
    Sunday, January 9th at 7:19PM EST
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    In the wake of the tragic shooting in Arizona there has been a lot of talk about the “tense political climate” and “extreme rhetoric.” Sadly, all that talk and the left’s determination to blame the right for the evil act committed by an apparently deranged young man has required that we do more than offer prayers condolences to victims and their families. Instead, we have been placed in a position from which we must push back against the left wing talking points that the shooting is the result of the right’s rhetoric.

    I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of the left wing media trying to blame the “tense political climate,” the “extreme rhetoric” and even this despicable shooting on the right. Nevertheless, there has been some “extreme rhetoric” that a reasonable person might conclude encourages violence. Consider the following examples of extreme rhetoric rounded up by theblogprof:

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” Barack Obama in July 2008
    “I want you to argue with them and get in their face!” Barack Obama, September 2008
    “Here’s the problem: It’s almost like they’ve got — they’ve got a bomb strapped to them and they’ve got their hand on the trigger. You don’t want them to blow up. But you’ve got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger.” Barack Obama on banks, March 2009
    “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Barack Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010
    “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.” Barack Obama on the private sector, June 2010
    “A Republican majority in Congress would mean ‘hand-to-hand combat’ on Capitol Hill for the next two years, threatening policies Democrats have enacted to stabilize the economy.” Barack Obama, October 6, 2010
    “We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” Barack Obama to Latinos, October 2010
    Please, can someone persuade Barack Obama to tone down his extreme rhetoric before it results in more violence?

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