Rat Bastard Racists – Where’s The Party Unity Now?

Poor inexperienced, unqualified, Barack Obama. The very people who attacked us as “racists” and stomped their feet demanding “party unity” are no longer concerned about party unity. Now those who called us “racists” are proven to be racists themselves out to destroy the golden calf they worshiped – because he is black. Rat Bastard Racists.

How much damage are these Rat Bastard Racists doing to Obama – just because of his skin color – just because he is black? If we can stop shedding tears for a few moments, let’s game out what could happen so we can fully understand the harm the Rat Bastard Racists are doing to golden calf Mess-iah Obama:

Possibility #1 – Obama’s New Deal passes: Obama is seen as a total wimp and a treacherous one as well who cannot be trusted. Obama is then a dupe of wily and strong Republicans. Result: Republicans win, Obama loses. Congressional Dimocrats and the Obama Big Boy Blogs will be proven gutless and useless once again.

Possibility #2 – Obama’s New Deal does not pass: Obama is seen as a total wimp who has lost control of his own Obama Dimocratic Party. Result: Republicans denounce Obama Dimocrats as tax raisers and pass the bill in January when they take control of the House and effective control of the Senate. Obama loses. Obama essentially becomes a Republican president because he will have more support with Republicans than with his very own Obama Dimocrats.

But the anti-Obama racists don’t care how they now trash their black president. Rat Bastard Racists.

We know that the gutless wonders at the Obama blogs and the always willing to cave Congressional Dimocrats will not succeed in their racist plots. Anyone who recalls the many “progressive” “threats” against the Obama health scam knows deep in their heart that these hypocrites do not have the cojones, do not have the ovaries, to do more than whine and make empty threats. In the end these craven clowns will cave.

In reality the only way to stop the Obama New Deal is for either Harry Reid or Nancy Pelousy to refuse to bring the bill to the floor for a vote – call it a one person filibuster:

“Fox has learned that Reps. Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Jim McDermott (D-WA) and Jay Inslee (D-WA) are crafting a letter to share with the House Democratic Caucus that would try to prevent the Speaker from bringing the tax bill to the floor.

They hope to get 60 signatures on their letter (which is still being drafted) and then force a vote in the caucus. DeFazio says he thinks that if a majority of House Democrats are against this compromise, they shouldn’t bring it to the floor.

In other words, they are seeking a majority of the majority to move this and a senior House democratic source indicates they don’t know if they have a majority of democrats, saying they haven’t whipped this yet.”

Rat Bastard Racists. They hate the black man.

Racists are everywhere these days. We have discussed racist Bill Maher recently spewing racist remarks about black people. Rat Bastard Racist. It’s not only Bill Maher. Over at the DailyKooks website a 30 year old black women denounced the Rat Bastard Racists [please note, we are editing the “N” word used to such dramatic effect in the DailyKook “diary”] in “My Last Diary At DKOS, Good Luck White Progressives“:

“I don’t have much to say. This will be quick.

If the so-called progressive community is done with Obama, than the black community will most likely be done with you. We aren’t that worried about Republicans, we have certainly dealt with worse.

Now, you can take that shit however you want, but good luck with whatever you are planning because you will need it. Especially, since you haven’t been able to sway a majority of white voters to your ’cause’ in 30 years. Without us this party is nothing. Have fun planning your primary challenge and “progressing uprising” without us. We will be by and large standing with the president. [snip]

Whether I look to my left or my right I see nothing but white people acting like this country didn’t have any damn problems until there was a n#gger in the White House. I have had it and every black person I know has had it. We are getting increasingly into a “Goddamn America” kind of mood. You want the n#gger out of the White House fine, but don’t expect us to help you replace him with your new, and no doubt white progressive hero.

It’s been a real eye-opener for this 30-year old black female. The kind my parents warned me about not long after Obama got elected. Nothing like having a black man to blame for everything is it?

Go fuck yourselves and good luck, getting a new president without us.

P.S. That last line is my answer to anybody who disagrees and wants to call me an Obot, sell-out, or not a “real” progressive, tell me I don’t speak for all blacks, etc.”

You go girl! You tell those Rat Bastard Racists where to get off. How dare anyone attack Barack! Rat Bastard Racists.

When we Hillary Clinton supporters, Black and White, were called “racists” the word stung. We knew there was genuine and justified black rage at how black people are treated by white liberals. Here at Big Pink we have written frequently about PINOs (Progressives In Name Only) who treat black people like pets.

We have written frequently that Black people made a very big political mistake by voting for the black guy who never did anything for black people over the tried and true plucky blond lady. For that we were called “racists”. So forgive the smirk on our faces as those who yelled “racists” at Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton supporters of various melanin types now scream at their golden calf.

The 30 year old black woman quotes from black liberator and all around bro John Cole:

“BTW- when the Democrats lose the black vote because of what has gone on during this administration, don’t act all surprised. I’ve warned you all of the simmering anger just below the surface in the African-American community. They’re being blamed for everything (Acorn, the housing crisis, voter fraud- hell, the day after Prop 8 failed people rushed to blame black people), they are treated to a clear double standard in Congress (Charlie Rangel humiliated for what the panel concluded were small mistakes and not designed to benefit him while DeLay is a felon and no one blinks, Vitter and Ensign and hundreds of others go unpunished. And now they are after Waters. There is a reason the CBC wants to get rid of the ethics panel.), they’re watching their party elites savage the first black President when they have been the backbone for the Democrats for decades, and they are watching a President be submitted to racist smear campaigns by folks outside the party that make any and all of the bullshit the Clintons went through look like small potatoes, and NO ONE is raising any hell in defense of the President. It’s all go along to get along. The only congressman who called the Republicans out was defeated. The rest just sit there and whisper behind the scenes about how Obama won’t tell them what he wants. All of this while the AA community is the hardest hit by recession.

You go guy!. Rat Bastard Racists.

We were called “racists” when we stated clearly that the Obama organization was a top down scam. We wrote:

There is no way Obama will allow his minions to actually grab political power and give direction to him. True, Obama set up a corral for his prancing ponies. But the organization Obama Anonymous Organizing for America is a slaughter house. OA is not a place for political wannabees to set themselves up to challenge Obama when the Hopium wears off and they discover the Doctor wants to kill the monster.

We do excuse the Hopium addled, they don’t know better. But some should know better yet still making excuses for Obama instead of accepting the obvious: Obama can’t be trusted.”

In Pocket Change we wrote:

Obama does not want a rival power center to emerge when his supporters wake up and realize they have been scammed”

We told the Obama Hopium Guzzlers that OAF (our anagram for “Organizing For America” the old “Obama for…” organization) would never empower them and we were called “racists”. Now the Rat Bastard Racists at DailyKooks say the same thing:

OFA is a top-down operation from start to finish. It wants to be as successful as DFA (which is still thumping along, six years later), but it suffers from the same problem as its founder: all speaking, no listening.

Now the Rat Bastard Racists are attacking not only the Boob but OAF as well. Read it and weep:

“Mitch Stewart from Organizing for America (BarackObama.com) just sent me an email suggesting that I should be happy about the President’s capitulation to Republicans. (The most recent one, that is…)

I think the last email I got from OFA asked us to support the President’s decision to freeze federal worker’s pay. [snip]

That’s not what I signed up for.

So I unsubscribed.

You’ll remember that I created and led the largest MyBarackObama.com group, Get FISA Right, when Obama decided to go back on his word and vote for retroactive telecom immunity. Obama ignored us, at least substantively. But I don’t think it makes sense to give up; I remain hopeful that there is a progressive bone or two somewhere inside the President.

So I’m starting another movement. We need to let him know he needs to change course if he expects a second term. The quickest and most measurable way I know that the base can speak to him is for as many people as possible to unsubscribe from the OFA list.

Rat Bastard Racists. Now they are attacking the golden calf’s organization. Shocking.

Keith Olberman is a Rat Bastard Racist too. KO called BO’s New Deal comparable to “Nazi Appeasement”.

“I will confess I won’t fight if anyone wants to draw a comparison between what you’ve done with our domestic policies of our day to what Neville Chamberlain did with the domestic policies of his,” says Olbermann. The reference is to Neville Chamberlain who, as Prime Minister of Great Britain, infamously cut a deal with Hitler (that Hitler subsequently broke to the surprise of nobody except Chamberlain) and proclaimed “peace in our time.”

Et tu, KO?

It is easy to understand why some conservatives and Republicans are opposed to Obama’s New Deal. It’s the same reason they oppose the DREAM Act and other legislation – they oppose it on principle and after all, they are the opposition party and just doing their job.

But all these Obama supporters now attacking Barack Obama after they said he was such a brilliant political chess player (recall the picture of Obama saying “Don’t worry. I got this!” these clowns love so), and after they said he was so principled and so smart and so charismatic and the “One” – clearly they must be attacking Barack Obama because they are Rat Bastard Racists.

How else can anyone explain this shocking behavior other than racism? If it is not racism than they must be admitting that they were wrong. If it is not racism that is at the root of all these attacks on Barack from his supporters then it must be something else – a something like “inexperienced, unqualified, treacherous from Day One.”

Unlike the Obama cesspool of treachery and racism, Hillary Clinton supporters are all smiles. We’re sitting back watching the Obama Circus as the tent comes crashing down and the clowns run around… screaming.

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465 thoughts on “Rat Bastard Racists – Where’s The Party Unity Now?

  1. Best line ever:

    @Admin: “We’re sitting back watching the Obama Circus as the tent comes crashing down and the clowns run around… screaming.”

  2. BAR on Obama:
    (snip)
    “…..That’s the real big picture of Obama’s brief presidency – a period of breathtaking dissolution of the Democratic Party as Obama facilitated the swallowing whole of the American state by Wall Street.

    Obama doesn’t really want folks to take the long view of his time in office. His modus operandi after every debacle is to claim to have rescued bits and pieces of the Democratic agenda from GOP savaging: a health care bill that, in total, is worse than none at all, a financial “reform” unworthy of the name. He early in his term set in motion his infernal deficit reduction commission, knowing it would attack social spending across the board, so that he could later “rescue” selected programs from extinction and claim saviorhood. Obama will claim to have “saved” extension of unemployment benefits by this week’s “compromise” with the Republican minority in the lame duck Congress when, in reality, it is Obama’s center-right modalities of governance and back-channel dealings that have allowed the GOP minority to behave like a majority.

    The overarching truth of the last two years Is that Obama has been at constant war with the New Deal and the left hemisphere of his party, acting as Wall Street’s Trojan Horse in the White House. Tuesday’s press conference starred an unrepentant, unreconstructed, center-right, corporate operative who sees his primary duty as destroying what remains of the Democrat’s progressive legacy. And the first term of the disaster is less than half over.”

  3. ““We’re sitting back watching the Obama Circus as the tent comes crashing down and the clowns run around… screaming.””

    I agree with pm 317, this is a great and true line.

    my opinion, all these lunatics like Obler-nut, tingly-matthews will worship at the alter of Obama come 2012. This will all be forgotten, as Dean said this morning on Fox and Friends, where else are they going to go?

    The tent will fall, and axel-nut and plouffe-boy will create all sorts of new tricks, etc in this new tent, and all these radical lunatics who are stomping their feet like little 2 year old (no offense meant to 2 yr olds) will sprint to that new tent and sell tickets every night on their shows for the 2012 elections.

  4. ok, my friend who is a huge orioles fan just sent me this, apparently a prominent member of that baseball team just said this:

    “(WJZ) Baltimore Orioles outfielder Luke Scott wasn’t only talking baseball at the winter meetings on Tuesday. He questioned President Barack Obama’s birthplace and claimed he did not represent the United States.

    “Obama does not represent America. Nor does he represent anything what our forefathers stood for,” Scott said in an interview with David Brown of Yahoo’s Big League Stew.

    The 32-year-old went on to say Obama has no legal documentation.

    “He was not born here. That’s my belief. I was born here,” Scott said. ”If someone accuses me of not being born here, I can go — within 10 minutes — to my filing cabinet and I can pick up my real birth certificate and I can go, ‘See? Look! Here it is. Here it is.’ The man has dodged everything. He dodges questions, he doesn’t answer anything. And why? Because he’s hiding something.””

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/12/08/os-outfielder-luke-scott/

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. … We are getting increasingly into a “Goddamn America” kind of mood. You want the n#gger out of the White House fine, but don’t expect us to help you replace him with your new, and no doubt white progressive hero.

    It’s been a real eye-opener for this 30-year old black female. The kind my parents warned me about not long after Obama got elected. Nothing like having a black man to blame for everything is it?
    **************
    99% of the vote. Definitely racist!
    ***************

    Go fuck yourselves and good luck, getting a new president without us.
    ***************

    Yes, fu^k you very much, we will!

  6. I was waiting for when the AA community would start calling these white daily kooks far lefties racists. Doesn’t sound its still happened yet.

  7. The overarching truth of the last two years Is that Obama has been at constant war with the New Deal and the left hemisphere of his party, acting as Wall Street’s Trojan Horse in the White House. Tuesday’s press conference starred an unrepentant, unreconstructed, center-right, corporate operative who sees his primary duty as destroying what remains of the Democrat’s progressive legacy.

    ================

    That’s sure what he’s done. And perhaps fancying himself as Reagan.

  8. gonzotx
    December 8th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Yes, oh it was very scathing, but no racist charges, I was just writing that I was wondering when she would start calling these santimounous “white progressive liberals” racists, and where was she when Bill and Hillary were called racists.

    I was just wondering, is all.

  9. gonzotx
    December 8th, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    Yep, but you know how it is with Obots, they can’t get things unless you directly confront them, and even then it takes them effort to understand; barely. So, that’s why I was wondering why she didn’t directly call them racists in her post.

  10. @Admin: “We’re sitting back watching the Obama Circus as the tent comes crashing down and the clowns run around… screaming.”
    **************************

    Well, I for one, am not smiling about this because if all things remain the same, he will have damaged the democratic brand for years and make it impossible for Hillary to run, even if, contrary to her recent statements, she decides to do so.

    If anyone has a comforting thought about this, I’d love to read it.

  11. Looks like the Dream act, or shall I say nightmare act for those who believe in the rule of law and protection of our borders, will pass.

    The last two years are a freaking nightmare

  12. “[…] and they are watching a President be submitted to racist smear campaigns by folks outside the party that make any and all of the bullshit the Clintons went through look like small potatoes, and NO ONE is raising any hell in defense of the President.”

    What?!!!? BO’s treatment is worse than the Clintons’ treatment by the MSM and the Repubs???? Give me a break!

    ******
    About Hillary mounting a challenge to BO in 2012…if she does do so, I think she should just go all out and run as an Indie, since the Dem brand has been so damaged by BO.

  13. This gets right to the point, doesn’t it? Obama is weak. I am so often confused by people who think Obama is some diabolical figure. He’s an empty suit and a weakling. That he got so rolled so easily by the Republicans on taxes is all the evidence one needs. Everyone in DC knows Obama is weak.

  14. As far as I can tell, the only real contribution Obama has made to this country, is to make fools of the Left. Not just fools, but total fools, whose political judgment is a joke.

    Before Obama those Leftists would pontificate from morning til night about what is wrong with America, and nobody listened. But when Obama appeared they believed they had a soul mate, a fellow traveler, in sum their version of Ronald Reagan. O bliss was it in that dawn to be alive but to be young was very heaven.

    Those leftists fancied themselves to be political sophisticates, they professed to have a special relationship with Obama, and told the world that he was the messiah who would perform miracles. Did he encourage them to believe that crap. Of course he did, that was the thrust of his campaign.

    But those leftists did not stop there. No siree. They beat the hustings for him, they text messaged for him, they blogged for him, they attended his rallies, they stumped for him, they contributed, and got their even stupider friends to defer to their superior judgment and vote for him. That was truly their moment in the sun.

    Never wish for anything too much because you may have the misfortune of getting it. Well they did–and they did. When did the Leftists finally come to the realization that he was not one of them, and that they had been used. Hard to say. But when he caved in on taxes, he left every erstwhile supporter with egg on his face and explaining to do to their friends.

    Hence, what you see now . . . . from The Shooting of Dan McGrew

    Then on a sudden the music changed, so soft that you scarce could hear;
    But you felt that your life had been looted clean of all that it once held dear;
    That someone had stolen the woman you loved; that her love was a devil’s lie;
    That your guts were gone, and the best for you was to crawl away and die.
    ‘Twas the crowning cry of a heart’s despair, and it thrilled you through and through —
    “I guess I’ll make it a spread misere,” said Dangerous Dan McGrew.

    The music almost died away . . . then it burst like a pent-up flood;
    And it seemed to say, “Repay, repay,” and my eyes were blind with blood.
    The thought came back of an ancient wrong, and it stung like a frozen lash,
    And the lust awoke to kill, to kill . . . then the music stopped with a crash,
    And the stranger turned, and his eyes they burned in a most peculiar way;

    In a buckskin shirt that was glazed with dirt he sat, and I saw him sway;
    Then his lips went in in a kind of grin, and he spoke, and his voice was calm,
    And “Boys,” says he, “you don’t know me, and none of you care a damn;
    But I want to state, and my words are straight, and I’ll bet my poke they’re true,
    That one of you is a hound of hell . . . and that one is Dan McGrew.”

    Indeed, fools to their family, fools to their friends, fools to those who voted for

  15. About Hillary mounting a challenge to BO in 2012…if she does do so, I think she should just go all out and run as an Indie, since the Dem brand has been so damaged by BO
    ———————————–
    Damaged so badly that Tim Kaine is considering a new logo for the Party of Obama: the skull and cross bones which means poison.

  16. Mrs. Smith – this is from an article you posted in the last thread, “…in the University of California system, in-state residents pay no tuition at all, while out-of-state residents pay a non-resident tuition fee that costs $22,021 per year at all University of California campuses.

    This doesn’t detract from the point of the article at all, I just wanted to mention it because California always presents itself this way. When I went to school (not here in CA), you paid tuition, and then you had to pay fees for your share of being able to use the library, gym, etc – the fees were negligible. It was the tuition that cost the bucks.

    In CA, however, they SAY they have no tuition, but really they do. They just CALL it FEES. It depends on the school, but it’s usually around $2500/semester for the fees – what you’d pay for tuition at another state school. So, IMO, it’s just a word game they play. (Although – it’s true that junior colleges don’t cost much.)

  17. Well, I for one, am not smiling about this because if all things remain the same, he will have damaged the democratic brand for years and make it impossible for Hillary to run, even if, contrary to her recent statements, she decides to do so.

    If anyone has a comforting thought about this, I’d love to read it.

    ====================

    I think if Hillary gets the nomination she’ll repair or override a lot of that damage real fast.

    There are a lot of less informed voters out there who probably won’t even remember she was Obama’s SOS, even if they ever knew it. They’ll just remember the good Clinton 90s. And listen to her new campaign: foreclosure freezes etc etc.

  18. racist smear campaigns by folks outside the party that make any and all of the bullshit the Clintons went through look like small potatoes

    ==================

    Well, at least she knows what the Clintons went through WAS bullshit.

  19. I do not see black voters deserting the democratic party en masse, under any circumstances that I can conceive of. I do think the party has lost the white middle class however, the asians. You cannot play the race card the way they did and expect to survive. I think they stand to lose the hispanics, if the Republicans put Rubio on the 2012 ticket as vice president. I think the odds are they will become a minority party. And, Obama has no successor. It is not an ideal position to be in over the next generation. Indeed, their only hope is that the Republicans screw up–big time, and the tea parties will carve them a new asshole before that happens.

  20. I hope this deal between Obama and McConnell goes down in flames in the House. It probably won/t but I hope it does. I agree with Krauthammer and disagree with Fund on that point. It will add a trillion to the deficit, extend stimulus nonsense, give insufficient tax relief to reassure markets, etc. Kill this bill . .. . It depends on an alliance between the loony Left and the small government tea party interests which makes for an unstable compound. This is a bad compromise, period. And some times a bad compromise is worse than no compromise at all. Now happens to be one of those times. Kill this bill. I dare you.

  21. Unlike the Obama cesspool of treachery and racism, Hillary Clinton supporters are all smiles. We’re sitting back watching the Obama Circus as the tent comes crashing down and the clowns run around… screaming.

    Oorah!! Admin.

    Yes, Yup and high fives.

    Popcorn and big gulps while we sit back and watch the blog boys and their MSM run in circles with their hair on fire.

    They told us to ‘get over it’, then ‘sit down and shut up’.
    How does it feel obots? Need a little sympathy for being duped?

    WE EFFIN’ TOLD YOU SO!!!!

    You got what you paid for!

  22. Admin:

    I have a catchy Title Line for you. Ready?

    “How Do You Like Me Now?”

    This line is set to music used in an ad for a tv commercial… and the perfect retort to any remaining Obot hangers on.

  23. wbboei
    December 9th, 2010 at 2:06 am

    It has nothing to do with the loony Left. What are you talking about? Face it, this is a deal between your vaunted right wing and the President. It’s a republican wet dream. Extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, a likely permanent 5 million dollar exemption for the estate tax with a lowering of the rate to 35%, a puny payroll holiday that will undermine social security, and for what? peanuts…this is NOT a plan of the so-called loony left. Indeed, they are the only ones fighting this thing. I happen to be a Lefty and Obama has not humiliated me, thank you very much. He’s not one of mine and never has been. You need to check out some other opinions besides the rightwing, unless maybe most of you are just rightwingers who liked Hillary. In case you haven’t noticed, this Obama has not embraced Clinton-era taxation, but Bush-era taxes, so what on earth does that have to do with the “loony left”? Further, the 99 weekers were left out. The UI extension is just for those who haven’t reached that cap. Hardly the plan of the loony left or frankly most clear minded economists. And do remember, the Republicans helped pass UI benefit extensions 5 times in the last two years because despite what Kruthammer may say, it’s ludicrous not to and even the right wing knows this. Finally, John Fund? Come on, if you supported Bill Clinton’s tax policy, you can not policy be listening to these jokers to decide what is an isn’t good policy. I guess this has just become a site for those to the Right of Mitch McConnell, given the way Left leaning voters are denigrated here. It’s really too bad. Hillary would never have disowned her husband’s tax policy the way Obama has. Too bad y’all don’t seem to understand that. By the way, they wealthiest Americans have been out of recession for a very long time now.

  24. tim: 10:28

    “Obama does not represent America. Nor does he represent anything what our forefathers stood for,” Scott said in an interview with David Brown of Yahoo’s Big League Stew.

    The 32-year-old went on to say Obama has no legal documentation.

    “He was not born here. That’s my belief. I was born here,” Scott said. ”If someone accuses me of not being born here, I can go — within 10 minutes — to my filing cabinet and I can pick up my real birth certificate and I can go, ‘See? Look! Here it is. Here it is.’ The man has dodged everything. He dodges questions, he doesn’t answer anything. And why? Because he’s hiding something.””
    ____________________________

    Of course, Scott is 100% right. The problems addressing the “birth certificate” issue in the courts before the Primary was- ultimately rejected by every court in which the suit was filed. One judge refused to hear the case. Another judge said the plaintiff had no legal standing to bring suit. Another Judge claiming there is nothing in the Constitution mentioning a vetting process to ascertain natural born citizenship, even though the Constitution states a candidate for the presidency must be a ‘natural born citizen.’

    There were two or three patriots filing suit at the same time. The most brilliantly put together ‘birth certificate’ suit was by Phil Berg. I read his suit before it was filed. He had several safety nets included in his suit, where if one of the elements in his complaint failed, another element rose up to take it’s place/

    All attempts to get to the bottom of the issue forcing Obama to produce the long form of his birth certificate were denied by every court. Obama’s birth records are sequestered in Hawaii.(if in fact, the document is accurate and legitimate.) A court order had been filed by his legal team with the blessing of the court, sealing the documents from public view.

    One wonders why, if Obama had nothing to hide, he would spend over a million dollars on legal fees protecting his birth certificate documents from being revealed to the public. As it turns out, Obama’s passport, his high school records, his college transcripts even his thesis had been under court seal before he declared his candidacy.

    The fact is, the Courts are as complicit in enabling the election fraud as was Obama’s campaign apparatus duping the public from the get go.

    Any of the officers of the DNC should have verified Obama’s bith status. Howard Dean was silent, eliciting
    tirades against anyone mentioning the absense of verification of Obama’s natural born status.

    Dean and the rest of the DNC committee are as responsible for allowing Obama to continue with his unverified elegibility, as are the courts participating in the cover-up.

  25. Mrs. Smith
    December 9th, 2010 at 7:11 am
    tim: 10:28

    “Obama does not represent America. Nor does he represent anything what our forefathers stood for,” Scott said in an interview with David Brown of Yahoo’s Big League Stew.

    The 32-year-old went on to say Obama has no legal documentation.

    ________________

    Who is Scott?

  26. lorac
    December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 am
    Mrs. Smith – this is from an article you posted in the last thread, “…in the University of California system, in-state residents pay no tuition at all, while out-of-state residents pay a non-resident tuition fee that costs $22,021 per year at all University of California campuses.”

    This doesn’t detract from the point of the article at all, I just wanted to mention it because California always presents itself this way. When I went to school (not here in CA), you paid tuition, and then you had to pay fees for your share of being able to use the library, gym, etc – the fees were negligible. It was the tuition that cost the bucks.
    ________________________

    lorac, thanks for the information and clarification. My eduction was as unorthodox as can be. My father was instrumental in pressing for the creation of a special school for dyslexics. It exists today in Providence, RI., known as The Hamilton Day School. Where the successful Orton/Gillingham method was implemented for addressing all the unique forms of dyslexia, specifically using the Arts seeking out student strengths for music, dance and a proficiency in creative art. My greatest strength, as well as loving all aspects of the Arts, as I do paint (as evaluated by teachers) was my ‘curiosity’.

  27. andyp:

    I was respoding to tim’s post upthread @ 10:28 pm
    __________________

    Here is a partial repost of the original addressing your question:

    “tim

    December 8th, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    ok, my friend who is a huge orioles fan just sent me this, apparently a prominent member of that baseball team just said this:

    “(WJZ) Baltimore Orioles outfielder Luke Scott wasn’t only talking baseball at the winter meetings on Tuesday. He questioned President Barack Obama’s birthplace and claimed he did not represent the United States.”

  28. ani
    December 8th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    “Well, I for one, am not smiling about this because if all things remain the same, he will have damaged the democratic brand for years and make it impossible for Hillary to run, even if, contrary to her recent statements, she decides to do so.”

    “If anyone has a comforting thought about this, I’d love to read it.”
    _________________________

    I’m not sure if my thoughts will be a comfort to you or more fuel for staking out your position. I’ll try-

    Hillary will never run as an Independent. However, during the run-up to the midterms, Bill Clinton rallied for every candidate who supported Hillary by headlining their fundraisers and endorsing them for election or re-election just as Sarah Palin did for select candidates.

    My contention is, Hillary is so well respected and loved, when and if she throws her hat into the ring or is petitioned by a ‘draft’ movement, Democrats unhappy with Obama, Republican voters sick of the constant necessity for War protecting vested Neoconic interests in Oil fields and logistics, former Democrats turned Indy in protest of the theft of the Dem nomination for Hillary and The Obama Agenda, will flock to her under the Democratic flag as quickly as bees to honey.

    I don’t believe the Democratic brand is trashed forever simply because Obama has proven he does not represent core Democratic principles and promises made during the campaign broken with impunity since his election.

    People understand fully, the issue of supporting democrats has boiled down to the ‘who’ not the ‘what’.

  29. Mrs. Smith, The democrats sold a bill of goods to a whole chunk of people who know politics, or should know politics. They convinced them that the all powerful Democratic Party would be running the country, and that the Leader was inconsequential. Any person of average intelligence will tell you, it is lonely at the top, and the President does in deed run this country with the beginning of the selection of his staff. His fiscal policy usually is a reflection of how he has lived his life (remember O made a deal with a crook to get a house he could not afford). When has he built a coalition, or worked out a compromised. In court, his former co workers said that he was missing for the negotiations. He appeared to like opening statements, and closing arguments. Of course his birth record should be easy to resolve, but we all know there is something there. Either it was faked up, or he went to school with foreign student scholarships.

    The questions is, when will someone or the nation hold both Political parties accountable for putting their party before the country. It is obvious that the media will not do it.

  30. “Well, I for one, am not smiling about this because if all things remain the same, he will have damaged the democratic brand for years and make it impossible for Hillary to run, even if, contrary to her recent statements, she decides to do so.”

    “If anyone has a comforting thought about this, I’d love to read it.”
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    Yes, he has damaged the party alright. Has he damaged it beyond repair? That depends entirely on what he decides to do. Right now he gives every indication that he will run in 2012. In that case, he will have black unconditional black supporT. With the expulsion of white working class voters by the party, they are the core of it anymore. Given a choice between a white candidate who had done tangible things for the democratic party, i.e. Hillary, and one with a Rezko history who happened to be black, by a vote of 90-10 they chose the black candidate. They will do it again. And if the gets a second term, they will have to find another black candidate in 2016 because that is what the party has become. Many of the far left will become frustrated with the party as they are now. All they are really interested in is fighting republicans, as illustrated by the fact that they have refused to condemn him for gross incompetence, and betrayal of their values. It wasn’t until he went to bed with republicans, told the left that they were “sanctimonious” for objecting, and taught them what a Rezko deal was all about that they began to see the light. But even then they gave him the benefit of the doubt, by deploring his supposed weakness. Again the left makes excuses for their own stupidity. He is not weak so much as he is corrupt, and if he was corrupt, it was a failure of character, as opposed to courage. The Hispanic belongs to the Republicans, if they play their cards right. We have discussed that strategy before. Rebuilding a party which has trashed America in a time of crisis is like trying to change the engine of a 747 in mid flight. If Hillary concludes privately that is not possible, then she may run. If not, then not. If she decides to run do not expect big media to treat her any different. They won’t. It is in their genes to hate her.

    Meanwhile, blacks will make inroads into the with the Exodus of white middle middle class voters, that plus union votes is the core of the party. Four more years of him will destroy the party at the rate he is going. There are not enough white Leftists in the party to control the game, which is why

  31. As history looks back on 2008 it becomes obvious that the real democrats–and the best Americans were the ones who voted for Hillary in the primary and McCain in the general election after the party stole the nomimation from her. They alone maintained their integrity, rejected fraud and intimidation and advocated a cure which would have saved the party, and the country. They were the only smart ones. I have had a number of Republicans tell me this, and many democrats now feel the same way, only they refuse to admit their mistake. The rest of them are stuck with defending an indefensible position and look more ridiculous by the day.

  32. A lecture from the Compromiser in Chief

    Editorial
    12/09/2010

    He really does have a little fight in him, after all. The problem for the Democrats is that President Barack Obama has saved his passionate, in-fighting persona for his fellow Democrats – the ones who’ve urged him to lead the fight against the opposition in Congress and across the nation.
    The president, after announcing a pathetic deal with Republicans that extends tax cuts for the richest Americans – thereby adding billions more to the national debt – seemed stunned that anyone in his own party might be upset at his fight-less cave-in. Out came the emotion as he railed against fellow Democrats at a press conference.

    Mr. Obama defended his Neville Chamberlainesque agreement by lecturing Democrats against becoming “sanctimonious” purists. That would be those who are demanding a change of direction from the current plummet toward a permanent American aristocracy that controls most of the wealth while the middle class and those below sink into despair.

    The emotion Mr. Obama showed on Tuesday defending his latest sell-out was, as many have pointed out, something he’s rarely shown since his 2008 campaign for president. In fact, he has saved his stubborn fighter’s countenance for those Democrats who tended to support Hillary Clinton and thought him too inexperienced to stand up to the kind of all-out assault Republicans, big business and the wealthy threw at President Bill Clinton during the 1990s.

    Those criticisms weren’t far off; he clearly has not handled the opposition with his strategy of remaining calm, aloof and vague about what he wants, and always seeking bipartisanship as if it were a powerful drug. In truth, Republicans have consistently handled him – and roughly.

    Mr. Obama also seems convinced that only “the professional left,” as a White House spokesman sneeringly referred to liberals, might be upset that he refuses to fight a fight dating from the 1960s, which he obviously and naively believes is over. These would be the ones he now calls “sanctimonious.”

    But they aren’t the only ones now seeing red. Those working class Democrats who backed Hillary Clinton and now find themselves without a party to defend them against the radical right and corporate America are equally furious with Mr. Obama – actually having deserted the Democrats in droves in the November election.

    Mr. President: That fight over what course the nation should follow is as old as the United States itself. It will never end; we will never have the brave new political world you think is out there somewhere. If you never show you are willing to fight hard for anything, the other side will never give you anything in a compromise. This is elemental in negotiating at all levels of society, right down to the family. You, Mr. President, are the one living in an abstract world, not other Democrats.

    And people like columnists Paul Krugman and E.J. Dionne, and Vermonters like Howard Dean, Peter Welch, Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders, they understand something about the importance of fighting this fight that you are just beginning to grasp, Mr. President. They certainly know there are certain lines you should not allow the opposition to cross, sir – like those tax cuts for those people at this time.

    Most Americans also understand that adding $990 billion to the national debt for dubious purposes proves that Washington still is not serious about debt and still is on track to become the next Ireland.

    Take this lemon back to the negotiating table, Mr. President, and this time try bargaining like a commander in chief.

    http://www.benningtonbanner.com/opinion/ci_16812210

  33. Barack is now on record that he is willing to negotiate with terrorists. Whether the Republican Party are hostage takers ergo terrorists is beside the point. The point is Obama will negotiate. Whats more he will afford to them all the protections of the Constitution, including the presumption of innocence and all the technicalities. And given the kind of people he is appointing to the bence—no Irving Kauffmans in his stable, believe me, they will support him. One might profitably ask why has he done this? Some say it is just more Harvard faculty lounge nonsense, which persists in error because it is arrogant elitist. But he gave us a clue in his last speech. It is all for the American People even if they are too ignorant and racist to understand and appreciate his elevated motives. Ultimately, he is wrecking the party and the country because he loves them. It is like the old viet nam expression destroying the village to save them. So when people ask why he does it, he does what he does for love.

  34. Sorry. I meant Dame Shirley Bassey rather than Eydie Gorme, but both did the same song–what I did for love, which is Barack’s latest hit. But it aint selling with the left, right or middle. The only thing we can say for sure is Rouse and is cats probably like it. Probably.

  35. “the president seems to have forgotten his own logic”

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    The Obama-GOP Deal: A Tax Hike for the Working Poor

    Dec. 9 2010
    Roberton Williams

    Ever since the 2008 presidential campaign, President Obama has argued passionately for extending the Bush-era tax cuts for all but the richest 2 percent of Americans. His reasoning: the rich have fared spectacularly well over the past quarter century—incomes of the top 1 percent tripled in real terms—while incomes grew slowly or not at all for those further down the income scale. Now, in compromising with congressional Republicans, the president seems to have forgotten his own logic and agreed to big tax cuts for the rich and tax increases for the poor.

    Why would the working poor pay more? Because the proposal would replace this year’s Making Work Pay (MWP) credit with a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent. That’s a good deal for high earners, who got nothing from MWP (thanks to an income phaseout), but a bad deal for those making $20,000 or less.

    The math works this way: The MWP credit gave as much as $400 to each single worker and up to $800 to couples. If you’re single and earned at least $6,452 (and less than $75,000) in 2010, you got $400. Married couples with earnings over $12,903 (and less than $150,000) got $800.

    But you won’t get $400 from the payroll tax cut until your earnings reach $20,000; earnings have to be twice that high to yield the $800 that MWP gave to couples. So single taxpayers who earn less than $20,000 and married couples earning less than $40,000 will pay more in taxes under the payroll tax cut than under MWP (see graph). Like everyone else, those folks will keep their Bush-era tax cuts and everything else that would continue from 2010 into 2011. But because no other provisions would cut their 2011 taxes relative to 2010, those taxpayers are unequivocally worse off under the compromise in 2011 than under the tax law we have this year.

    By contrast, the rich would get much better treatment from the swap of MWP for the payroll tax cut. If you’re single and earn more than $106,800 (the maximum earnings subject to Social Security tax in 2011), you’d pay $2,136 less in payroll taxes. Since you got nothing from MWP—it phased out for high earners—your net gain would be the full payroll tax savings. A couple in which both spouses earn more than the payroll tax cap would get double that much—$4,272.

    If Congress and the president accept the compromise in its current form, a single worker earning $10,000 will see her taxes jump by $200 from this year to next—her $200 payroll tax cut replaces her $400 MWP. And a couple earning $25,000 would lose $300 as its $800 MWP morphs into $500 in payroll tax savings. Nothing else in the compromise tax agreement compensates for those losses.

    At the top of the income distribution, the wealthy would not only keep all of their savings from the Bush-era tax cuts like everyone else but would get the additional $2,000+ in payroll tax savings ($4,000+ for a couple). And, should they happen to die during the next two years, their estates could save millions more because of the estate tax’s proposed higher exemption and lower rate.

    The president can argue that he had to compromise to protect low- and middle-income Americans from a big tax increase in 2011. But the agreement turns on its head his repeated argument that we need to give more to the poor and ask more of the wealthy. No wonder Democrats in Congress are mad.

    http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2010/12/09/the-obama-gop-deal-a-tax-hike-for-the-working-poor/

  36. Good morning all: Be back soon. Had a death in my family.My wonderful 61 year old son died of heart failure and have been distracted for now.Life must go on.At my age I have experienced and understood that our Lord doles out each day one at a time and only He can make the recall.

    ABM90 See you soon

    Public Schedule for December 9, 2010

    Public Schedule
    Washington, DC

    December 9, 2010

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    SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    9:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Chief Israeli Negotiator Yitzhak Molho, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    10:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the Assistant Secretaries of the Regional Bureaus, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    10:30 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Save the Children Board Chair Anne Mulcahy, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

    11:00 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Albanian Foreign Minister Edmond Haxhinasto, at the Department of State.
    (CAMERA SPRAY PRECEDING BILATERAL MEETING)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 10:30 a.m. in the 23rd Street Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 10:45 a.m. in the 23rd Street Lobby.

    1:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Nigerian Foreign Minister Henry Odein Ajumogobia, at the Department of State.
    (JOINT PRESS AVAILABILITY FOLLOWING BILATERAL MEETING AT APPROXIMATELY 1:35 P.M.)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 1:00 p.m. in the 23rd Street Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 1:20 p.m. in the 23rd Street Lobby.

    3:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton delivers remarks at the 2010 Fulbright Foreign Language Teaching Assistant (FLTA) Mid-Year Conference, at the Department of State.
    (OPEN PRESS COVERAGE FOR REMARKS IN DEAN ACHESON AUDITORIUM)
    Pre-set time for video cameras: 2:15 p.m. in the 23rd Street Lobby.
    Final access time for journalists and still photographers: 2:45 p.m. in the 23rd Street Lobby.
    For more information, click here.

    5:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the Department of State’s Employee Affinity Groups, at the Department of State.
    (CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)

  37. “So when people ask why he does it, he does what he does for love.”

    ——————
    Love of himself for sure.

  38. I think this says it all…

    Most Americans Say They’re Worse Off Under Obama, Poll Shows

    December 09, 2010,

    Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) — More than 50 percent of Americans say they are worse off now than they were two years ago when President Barack Obama took office, and two-thirds believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.

    The survey, conducted Dec. 4-7, finds that 51 percent of respondents think their situation has deteriorated, compared with 35 percent who say they’re doing better. The balance isn’t sure. Americans have grown more downbeat about the country’s future in just the last couple of months, the poll shows. The pessimism cuts across political parties and age groups, and is common to both sexes.

    The negative sentiment may cast a pall over the holiday shopping season, according to the poll. A plurality of those surveyed — 46 percent — expects to spend less this year than last; only 12 percent anticipate spending more. Holiday sales rose by just under a half percent last year after falling by almost 4 percent in 2008.

    “It’s definitely different this year than it’s been,” says poll respondent Larry Deyo, a 38-year-old father of two in Marlton, New Jersey. “I can’t really do too much with spending.” He says he lost his job at a kitchen and bath design center when the company closed, and he’s now working at a Home Depot Inc. store with a “significant decrease” in pay.

    It was President Ronald Reagan who popularized the question, “Are you better off or worse off than you were four years ago” in his 1980 campaign against Jimmy Carter.

    Past Presidents

    Obama’s numbers in the poll, given the context of an economy that is struggling to recover from the longest recession since the Great Depression and the experience of past presidents, aren’t so bad.

    As Reagan approached the end of his second year in office, his numbers were more negative than Obama’s in this survey. In an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken in Oct. 1982, 61 percent of Americans said things were worse and 33 percent said they had improved. Reagan won re-election in a landslide in 1984. In the final months of George W. Bush’s presidency, as the financial crisis intensified, Americans said by a 2-to-1 margin that their financial situation had deteriorated, compared with a year earlier.

    Americans in the poll also oppose Republican lawmakers’ calls to extend tax cuts for upper-income Americans beyond the end of 2010. Obama reluctantly agreed to a two-year extension of those cuts as part of a compromise package that also retained breaks for the middle class.

    Sixty-six percent say the nation is headed in the wrong direction. That’s up from 62 percent who felt that way in an October poll and is the worst reading since the Bloomberg National Poll began in September 2009.

    Unemployment Is Top Issue

    Unemployment and jobs are the most important issue facing the country now, the poll finds. Fifty percent of those surveyed identified joblessness as their top concern, twice the number who chose the federal budget deficit and government spending.

    Members of Obama’s Democratic Party are about evenly split on the question of whether they are doing better than two years ago. Republicans and political independents are more downbeat. More than 60 percent of Republicans say they’re doing worse under Obama. Just over 50 percent of political independents feel that way, compared with a third who say their situation has improved.

    Obama, 49, inherited an economy in deep crisis. While it has started to recover — showing 3.2 percent growth over the past year — unemployment has remained high. Joblessness rose to a seven-month high of 9.8 percent in November, significantly above the 7.4 percent rate that prevailed in December 2008, the month before Obama was inaugurated.

    Stock Market Gains

    The stock market has performed much better. The Standard and Poor’s 500 Index has risen more than 50 percent since Obama was sworn in Jan. 20, 2009.

    “After looking at all the politicians and all the policies, they’re not geared toward Americans. They’re geared toward the corporations,” says Ken Cmar, a 45-year-old poll respondent residing in Crystal River, Florida.

    He says his business aligning wheels on vehicles has shrunk as trucking companies and municipalities with bus fleets have cut back. “It’s that trickle-down economic thing and I’m at the wrong end,” Cmar says.

    By age group, only the young — those under 35, a core constituency for Obama in his presidential bid — consider themselves better off than they were two years ago.

    ‘Naivete of Youth’

    The young often show a greater “sense that things are getting better for them than we see for older respondents,” says J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm that conducted the nationwide survey. “Maybe that is the sweet naivete of youth or, more likely, they are building their careers and things are, in fact, getting better for them.”

    While Democrats and political independents agree that unemployment is the top issue, Republicans are about evenly split between jobs and the budget deficit, which totaled $1.29 trillion in the fiscal year ended Sept. 30.

    “The deficit is outrageous,” says poll respondent Lisa Brandel, a 36-year-old free-lance writer in Bellefontaine, Ohio. “But the root of the problem is that we need more jobs. If we get better employment, more people will be paying taxes and the deficit will go down.”

    On the tax cuts, the survey conducted before, during and after the negotiations between the White House and congressional Republicans this week, shows that only a third of Americans support keeping the lower rates for the highest earners.

    Tax Cuts

    Another third say they want only the tax cuts for the middle class to be extended, while more than a fourth say all the tax cuts should be allowed to expire Dec. 31, as scheduled.

    The agreement Obama announced Dec. 6 would temporarily sustain the tax reductions for all income levels. The president said the compromise was needed to break a deadlock with Republicans who vowed to block tax cuts for middle-income Americans if those for individuals earning more than $200,000 and couples earning more than $250,000 weren’t extended, too.

    The Bloomberg National survey of 1,000 U.S. adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12-09/most-americans-say-they-re-worse-off-under-obama-poll-shows.html

  39. ABM90
    December 9th, 2010 at 10:25 am

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    I am so very sorry for your loss.

    Take care of yourself, my friend.

  40. NewMexicoFan
    December 9th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Yes, NMF, I understand and agree with what you have said. Obama has not only duped loyal democrat voters but he had burned and forsaken Congressional democrats, discarding the candidates who were low in the polls at the midterms and desperate for financial support assisting their campaigns.. Obama threw them under the bus.

    Pelosi is the perfect example. She was under the impression there was a steadfast alliance between Obama and herself. After she being the key component needed to clinch the dem nomination for him. Her assumption was a valid one..(as in obligating Obama himself to her indefinitely) Then she performed the impossible for Obama again- Pelosi was the lightening rod for getting Obama’s HCR package legislated into law . The level of difficulty Hillary understands.

    Obama thought nothing of throwing HER under the bus because he knew Pelosi had used up all her political capital convincing dems wavering on supporting HCR it was the right thing for them to do. Which as we know has had a detrimental effect on all democrats.

    Consequently, Obama knew Pelosi could no longer be of any value to him and disposable as kleenex. He threw her under the bus.
    ___________________

    “The questions is, when will someone or the nation hold both Political parties accountable for putting their party before the country. It is obvious that the media will not do it.”
    ______________________

    NewMexicoFan, Hillary can and willl go one better if she becomes a candidate. Obama has unknowingly given Hillary a simple easily understood plank for her platform. A plank she can ram him with every minute of the day. With specific examples of his treachery. Namely, Obama has put himself and his agenda before, People, Party, Country and the Constitution. She can rip him a new one labeling him un-American and a danger to the country, if she decides to run.

    There is no one else on either side of the aisle that has Hillary’s clout, in spite of being a Democrat, She can easily campaign on expanding FDR’s New Deal. During FDR’s tenure as president, he created Social Security and Medicare as pillars of the American way of life supporting and caring for people in their aging years, providing a safety net for their medical assistance. Coincidentally enough, those two pillars of the People’s America are in the cross-hairs for substantial reductions of payouts by Republicans and Obama..

    As Obama’s political alliances moves further to the Right, Hillary can campaign on core democratic values. The meaningful values of “People and Country first”. Values we have seen can no longer be taken for granted.

  41. ABM90 I has got to be difficult to lose your son during this time of year. My condolences to you and your family.

  42. They were talking about that case against Edward, using campaign money to payoff his mistress on Good Morning America. So it looks like there might be a possibility that he could face some legal actions. I am wondering if they could put him in jail for this? Not that he does not deserve it, but I feel that his older daughter and two younger children have been through so much. I guess time will tell.

  43. ABM90
    December 9th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    ABM90- There is no greater loss than losing one’s child. You have my sincerest condolences on your loss.

  44. uh oh..”Defying President Obama, House Democrats vote not to bring up tax deal he negotiated with GOP in its current form. ” CNN breaking news..

    Oh boy! They will make him cry and throw another fit (of anger, frustration, disappointment, dejection).

  45. The House is now in recess after being in session almost 24 hours a day recently. Looking for more details on this vote not to bring up the tax cut deal in current form (source: c-span)

  46. Senate Punts on DREAM act
    The Senate on Thursday punted on a DREAM Act vote after Democrats failed to advance a version that passed the House Wednesday night.

    Senate Democrats hope to vote on the House-passed legislation before the lame-duck session ends this month.

    “We still hope to consider it before we leave,” a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told Fox News.

    Earlier, Reid tried to shelve a procedural vote on the legislation that would carve out a path to legalization for hundreds of thousands of foreign-born youngsters brought to this country illegally because he said it would be more appropriate to take up the version that cleared the House.

    But Republicans refused to let him to do that. So Reid had the Senate vote on killing a motion to start debate on the bill.

    Democrats always faced an uphill climb to muster the 60 votes needed to advance the legislation over opposition by most Republicans and a handful of their own members.

    The House passed the legislation Wednesday night after Democratic leaders painstakingly lined up the votes to push it through.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/09/senate-punts-dream-act-vote-house-passes-different-version/

  47. MJ

    Face it, this is a deal between your vaunted right wing and the President. It’s a republican wet dream.

    —–
    No freain’ kidding!
    After all, what would we expect from a Rove, Brazillenut, Soros, Nasty tool?

    The guy is made out of silly putty, he is nothing more than a shape shifter.

    BSS Barry the Shape Shifter

  48. Maybe I am delusional, but I agree with you 100% Mrs. Smith –

    My contention is, Hillary is so well respected and loved, when and if she throws her hat into the ring or is petitioned by a ‘draft’ movement, Democrats unhappy with Obama, Republican voters sick of the constant necessity for War protecting vested Neoconic interests in Oil fields and logistics, former Democrats turned Indy in protest of the theft of the Dem nomination for Hillary and The Obama Agenda, will flock to her under the Democratic flag as quickly as bees to honey.

    I don’t believe the Democratic brand is trashed forever simply because Obama has proven he does not represent core Democratic principles and promises made during the campaign broken with impunity since his election.

    People understand fully, the issue of supporting democrats has boiled down to the ‘who’ not the ‘what’.

  49. As far as the Democratic brand being trashed forever – people have a short memory, look at the comeback the Republicans made in the last election. IMO, the less party blind allegiance, the better. People will be looking for an althernative to the repubs after they’ve been in control for awhile.

  50. WASHINGTON – House Democrats voted Thursday to reject President Barack Obama’s tax deal with Republicans in its current form, but it was unclear how significantly the package might need to be changed.

    By voice vote in a closed caucus meeting, Democrats passed a resolution saying the tax package should not come to the House floor for consideration as written, even though no formal House bill has been drafted. Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., introduced the resolution.

    Said Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas: “If it’s take it or leave it, we’ll leave it.”

    Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., said “it’s a pretty clear message. We don’t like the bill.”

    The vote will at least temporarily stall what had seemed to be a grudging Democratic movement toward the tax package. Before the caucus vote took place, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Obama’s tax compromise embodies “the objective we need to reach” even though Democrats dislike several components.

    “We’re going to have an increase in taxes on working Americans … if we continue to have gridlock,” Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, said on MSNBC.

    But the the voice vote in the caucus was quite lopsided. Rep. Shelley Berkley of Nevada told reporters afterward that “one person voted against it. That would be me.”

    Asked what happens next, Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the No. 3 person in the Democratic leadership, said, “I don’t know. Well wait and see.”

    Speaking earlier Thursday at a White House event promoting American exports, Obama said the vote will determine whether the economy “moves forward or backward.”

    The president again pressed Congress to pass the agreement, saying it has the potential to create millions of jobs. He said if it fails, Americans would see smaller paychecks and fewer jobs.

    But Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., said “the jury is still out” on the measure’s enactment because many Democrats are furious over an estate tax provision.

    -snip
    Some Democrats have reluctantly embraced the tax package, which would let rich and poor Americans keep Bush-era tax cuts that were scheduled to expire this month. Even so, 54 House Democrats wrote a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying they’re opposing the deal.

    Led by Rep. Peter Welch of Vermont, they said they were against “acceding to Republican demands to extend the Bush tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.”

    “We’re paying a king’s ransom,” Welch said in an interview. “We didn’t need to and couldn’t afford to.”

    The 54 Democrats, by themselves, would not be enough to block the package in the House, depending on how much support it gets from Republicans.

    -snip
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tax_cuts

  51. I do not see black voters deserting the democratic party en masse, under any circumstances that I can conceive of.

    =================

    What about becoming so conflicted sioned they stay home? Except for those like the 32 year old black woman quoted, who will be mad enough to keep supporting ‘the black president’?

  52. Sigh…

    WASHINGTON – House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer says Democrats have no choice but to fall in line behind the tax cut compromise that President Barack Obama negotiated with congressional Republicans.

    Hoyer tells MSNBC in an interview that continuing to fight the deal because it includes cuts for the wealthy would be to put the middle-class and lower tax bracket people at risk and also jeopardize the jobless who badly need unemployment benefits.

    The Maryland Democrat said Democrats have enough votes in the House to again pass a measure without tax breaks for the rich, including the estate tax relief, but that there’s a solid wall of 41 Republicans in the Senate who would block it there. He said, “We don’t want to put the nonwealthy in our country at such risk.”

  53. Agreed, SHV. Thanks, turndown.

    Ha! I am so happy his awful bill was rejected by his own Party. For now, anyway. 🙂

  54. BigCatLover
    December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
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    For feck sake Hoyer, don’t use us as your patsies. It’s plenty worth the risk.

  55. More than 50 percent of Americans say they are worse off now than they were two years ago when President Barack Obama took office, and two-thirds believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.

    The survey, conducted Dec. 4-7, finds that 51 percent of respondents think their situation has deteriorated, compared with 35 percent who say they’re doing better. (Are these the BO/MO friends that were cut a deal?)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-09/most-americans-say-they-re-worse-off-under-obama-poll-shows.html

    ——-

    WTF?

    Only 50% think they are worse off now. Is it just us working class stiffs that are worried we will get laid off?

    Yea, I guess all the wealthy that want to keep their Bush/Obama tax breaks are still doing pretty well.

  56. AMB,

    I’m sorry for your loss.You were blessed with your son’s life all these years;trust in God and you’ll be just fine! God bless your heart!Come back soon.

  57. ABM90, I’m so sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and all who loved your son.

  58. Ha! I am so happy his awful bill was rejected by his own Party. For now, anyway..
    ********
    If the past is any indication, this is just more street theater by our one party system. Reminds me of all of the feigned angst over the Health Care sham or financial reform or..or…or

    The Obama “Information Ministry” has been busy faxing talking points to the State Media outlets. All have been using the same talking point to push the Great Obama Tax Compromise. I was in a store yesterday and CNN was pushing the “Great One’. The best line was that the Obama Tax bill “Fixed” the Estate Tax problem. Jeebus.. now I know how the Russians felt living in the Soviet Union and reading Pravda.

  59. Yeah, but anything effort by the Democrats to humiliate this incompetent sits well with me. At some point, they’ll walk away from him as they did with Carter. I just hopes it is before this abomination passes.

  60. Mrs. Smith
    December 9th, 2010 at 7:51 am
    andyp:

    I was respoding to tim’s post upthread @ 10:28 pm
    __________________

    Thank you very much.

  61. She can easily campaign on expanding FDR’s New Deal. During FDR’s tenure as president, he created Social Security and Medicare as pillars of the American way of life supporting and caring for people in their aging years, providing a safety net for their medical assistance. Coincidentally enough, those two pillars of the People’s America are in the cross-hairs for substantial reductions of payouts by Republicans and Obama..

    =========================

    Yes! Tho I think, rather than painting Obama as villain, she would be more likely to paint Obama as weak, inexperienced, not knowing the ‘levers of power’, more of a MLK than a LBJ, able to be ‘rolled by the GOP’ etc. “We’ve had the MLK, now let’s have the LBJ.”

  62. As far as the Democratic brand being trashed forever – people have a short memory, look at the comeback the Republicans made in the last election. IMO, the less party blind allegiance, the better. People will be looking for an althernative to the repubs after they’ve been in control for awhile.

    ====================

    Yes. Every decade or half decade or so, we hear this about some party being dead, a ‘permanent GOP majority’, a permanent Dem majority, etc etc. Then an election swings the other way. There may be something to ‘anti-incumbent fever’, ‘throw them all out’ — whoever is in power.

    I’m bothered by the long GOP run of Reagan/Bush then BushII with only Bill in the middle. So maybe there was a need for ACORN to clean out the Katherine Harris machine. Now with both sides of the local voting officials on watch, maybe we’ll get some honest vote counting.

  63. “What about becoming so conflicted sioned they stay home? Except for those like the 32 year old black woman quoted, who will be mad enough to keep supporting ‘the black president’?”

    Then it’s nothing but a numbers game. Women and white blue-collar folks outnumber them. Period. This is what that stupid party got for playing the race card so obviously. Now, let them get through that minefield without blowing more than three limbs off if they can. Fuck them.

  64. Now, in compromising with congressional Republicans, the president seems to have forgotten his own logic and agreed to big tax cuts for the rich and tax increases for the poor.

    Why would the working poor pay more? Because the proposal would replace this year’s Making Work Pay (MWP) credit with a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent. That’s a good deal for high earners, who got nothing from MWP (thanks to an income phaseout), but a bad deal for those making $20,000 or less. [….]

    If Congress and the president accept the compromise in its current form, a single worker earning $10,000 will see her taxes jump by $200 from this year to next—her $200 payroll tax cut replaces her $400 MWP. And a couple earning $25,000 would lose $300 as its $800 MWP morphs into $500 in payroll tax savings. Nothing else in the compromise tax agreement compensates for those losses.

    http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2010/12/09/the-obama-gop-deal-a-tax-hike-for-the-working-poor/

    =======================

    Very important points.

  65. mj
    December 9th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Yeah, but anything effort by the Democrats to humiliate this incompetent sits well with me.

    YEAH!

    At some point, they’ll walk away from him as they did with Carter.

    WELL, the problem with that is that the challenger lost in August and the party lost in November.

  66. Yeah, I think this fight that the democrats waged was more than theatre this time. I think they know they better stand up and fight for us whether they win or not and it will be rewarded.

    You know all we need is a strong leader who can unite the party….our party once united is bigger than the republicans and they know it. These tax breaks are not going to turn the economy around as the republicans are suggesting…its going to add to the deficit…when all these folks figure this out….the repulicans will be out again…we just have to have the right leader in there this time. Hillary 2012′!

  67. Let’s call ’em “The Kos Kuts”

    I just received a spam email from the “campaign director” of the Daily Kos. They want to mount a campaign to support Bernie Sanders’ potential filibuster of the Great Obama Tax Cave-in.

    With the Daily Kos community voting 3-1 in opposition to the deal, we need to show our support for the progressive members of Congress who are not caving. Give them that support now by signing our petition, and sending words of encouragement.

    By all means, let’s support the Congressfolk who oppose Obama on this — but for crying out loud, don’t let the Daily Freakin’ Kos take credit.

    More than any other single internet entity, Daily Kos is responsible for creating the Obama cult. Everyone knows that Markos Moulitsas’ wildly popular forum functioned as an extension of the Obama campaign, continually publishing smears and distortions and Fox-like attacks directed against any perceived foe of the splendiferous Mister O.

    In a sense, Moulitsas bears as much responsibility as Obama does for the deal to keep those millionaire tax cuts in place. Headline writers refer to those cuts as “Bush cuts. Maybe we should call them “Kos Kuts.”

    Cannonfire

  68. Riverdaughter

    It is becoming more clear to me that if the Republicans are allowed to botch the country into third world status, it will be because Whole Foods Nation progressives just can’t get their heads out of their asses. They would rather let the country die, die, die! before they let some “Blue dog” {{snort!}}, war hawk, triangulating, DLC loving, New Democrat like Hillary Clinton inflict her steely resolve and competence on Washington DC.

    So, if we all end up poor and yoked to our billionaire masters of the universe, don’t blame it on Republicans. Blame it on the self described “creative class” Democrats who want to replace Barack Obama with candidates who are not capable of winning or running the White House. Yeah, that oughta learn them lousy Republicans. Take that.

  69. mj
    December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    This gets right to the point, doesn’t it? Obama is weak. I am so often confused by people who think Obama is some diabolical figure.

    YOU’RE RIGHT. THE DIABOLICAL MUSLIM WHO WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA IS RIDICULOUS.

    He’s an empty suit and a weakling. That he got so rolled so easily by the Republicans on taxes is all the evidence one needs.

    ====================

    HERE I’m not so sure. If he were just weak, he’d break sometimes toward the right, sometimes toward the left who brung him. Sfaik his behavior in ACTION throughout his career has been consistently favorable toward his money or establishment donors.

    The weakness theory assumes he’s got some leftist intentions he’s failing to live up to. Another theory is dishonesty: ie he’s alwasy been a Daley/corporate tool in leftist clothing.

    Of course the truth could be somewhere in between: where do you draw the line between deceiving your base and self-deception?

    Btw the exception to my theory is his ban on Gulf drilling. Unless driving the deep rigs to South AMerica is what some of his corporate backers do want. They’re not confined the US. ‘The corporations’ isn’t a monolith either.

  70. turndownobama
    December 9th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    —-

    Oh, I don’t think he has any principles to live up to. I still say he’s weak. He said he tried drawing many lines in the sand with this tax deal, which implies he didn’t stick to even one line. He’s not weak with Democrats because he thinks they work for him…LOL. Just the republicans.

  71. The End of Social Security

    President Obama and the Republicans will say that the payroll tax holiday is all about stimulating the economy. But don’t be fooled. According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities,extending the Making Work Pay Tax Credit, is a much better, more targeted stimulus. See “Payroll Tax Holiday a Poor Stimulus Idea,” available at this link.

    And the Making Work Pay Tax Credit poses no threat to Social Security. The innocent-sounding payroll tax holiday, on the other hand, will lead inexorably to killing Social Security. Let me explain:

    http://my.firedoglake.com/nancyaltman/2010/12/07/the-end-of-social-security/

  72. Riverdaughter

    It is becoming more clear to me that if the Republicans are allowed to botch the country into third world status, it will be because Whole Foods Nation progressives just can’t get their heads out of their asses.

    =====================

    This WHole Food Progressive has been a Clintonista since 1992, thank you.

  73. Geez, I’m in a bad mood today….someone sent me an email to remind me to save for my retirement. Well you just can’t do that to someone who hasn’t had their cup of coffee yet. LOL!

    So my answer was…so would you think the stock market is good for investment??? Seen the Dow Jones lately?…how about savings accounts in your bank…Seen how many banks have went down lately?….how about I just stuff some 100. bills in my mattress…Seen how the dollar may not survive….I can’t afford Gold, but the speculators could break that easily….so to top it all off I said his President and the republicans want to drop the FDIC, so there will be no insurance on all that money you’ve saved if your bank fails….why the hell worry about something we can’t change. That’s where I am at right now!

    Tell me if I’m wrong!

  74. Sounds like the UK students are attacking the Prince’s car with Camilla in it…like I said these rich jerks feeding off the middle class and poor is going to spark a universal revolution. It’s just a matter of time…the idiots have now put the power at least for two years in the very same folks who got us where we are today!

  75. Now we know why they built the “beast” for Obama…they knew there was going to be civil unrest! Things are about to get worse!

  76. So this tax compromise gives the rich what they want free and clear — and throws bones to the poor that the poor will have to pay for: losing their MWP tax credit now (see Forbes above) and losing Soc Sec benefits in future.

    That said, I’m not sure the deficit is worth worrying about any more.

  77. Wow! This reminds me of the 60’s! Of coarse it was all about Vietnam then…now its about the economy and screwing of the middle class worldwide.

  78. Charlie Crist Wins Pardon For Jim Morrison

    Now this is really weird…
    Jim Morrison has been dead how long, and will he appreciate this pardon now?

    I loved the Doors, but this is really so darn strange…

  79. Senate procedural vote on “don’t ask” repeal fails, 57-40. Collins voted yes, Bennet and Manchin voted no

    Murkowski said she was in support of repeal, then voted NO, sounds like she had her ear bended.

  80. “Yes! Tho I think, rather than painting Obama as villain, she would be more likely to paint Obama as weak, inexperienced, not knowing the ‘levers of power’, more of a MLK than a LBJ, able to be ‘rolled by the GOP’ etc. “We’ve had the MLK, now let’s have the LBJ.”
    ____________________________

    You weren’t listening because you supported another candidate. Hillary ALWAYS painted Obama as weak, too inexperienced and unprepared for this presidency. As proof of her statement, she pointed to his voting record as a state senator, as well as his voting present 100X as a US Senator.

  81. turndown-

    Hillary never compared Obama to MLK. Obama is an elitist gangster from Chicago wheeling and dealing to own you and every asset in your name.

  82. It seems to me that the real problem here is that neither party represents working people. Nobody seems to be doing that now. We have two establishment parties, vs political extremists. Today we have the looney left. During the Bush years we had the looney right. The looney left and the looney right have much in common. Both want to take decisions away from the American People. Oh there is symmetry here all right, but it is the wrong kind.

  83. If the past is any indication, this is just more street theater by our one party system. Reminds me of all of the feigned angst over the Health Care sham or financial reform or..or…or

    The Obama “Information Ministry” has been busy faxing talking points to the State Media outlets. All have been using the same talking point to push the Great Obama Tax Compromise. I was in a store yesterday and CNN was pushing the “Great One’. The best line was that the Obama Tax bill “Fixed” the Estate Tax problem. Jeebus.. now I know how the Russians felt living in the Soviet Union and reading Pravda.
    ——————————-
    Do you think this has traction. I do not. Not with anyone I am talking to. My mother is in the hospital. They have been giving her strong doses of pain killer for a broken hip. The effect was compounded by de hydration. When she came to last night she asked me what is going on in the world. I told her Obama is having a little difficulty selling his Republican package to the leftists. Her question to me was–do you mean to tell me he is still around? I told her oh very much so. It is only when there is a real crisis that he is goes AWOL.

  84. Shadowfax
    December 9th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    OBAMA’S CONSCIENCE

    New ad by the Obots against their dear leader
    ________________________

    Funny how the Obots are so incensed their dear leader backpedaled on everything he promised them.

    I went over to DU wondering about the climate there. The tide has definitely turned. The scales have fallen from the eyes of the majority. Except for one, too proud to admit she was WRONG- Still holding on for a miracle, Obama will solve all our problems turning lemons into lemonade. She refuses to admit she backed the wrong horse in the race. A mind like that is a dangerous thing-

  85. It seems to me that the real problem here is that neither party represents working people.

    Extremists on either end of the spectrum fight over control of the majority, and steal every penny they can while trying to make them work harder, for less money and with less benefits.

    ~~> That’s why God invented pitchforks. <~~

  86. Mrs. S

    …too proud to admit she was WRONG- Still holding on for a miracle, Obama will solve all our problems turning lemons into lemonade Kool-aid.

  87. Looks like Dem House members are reading Big Pink’s site…

    Profanity, Anger Spill Over in House Democratic Caucus Meeting

    The frustration with President Barack Obama over his tax cut compromise was palpable and even profane at Thursday’s House Democratic Caucus meeting.

    One unidentified lawmaker went so far as to mutter “fuck the president” while Rep. Shelley Berkley was defending the package the president negotiated with Republicans. Berkley confirmed the incident, although she declined to name the specific lawmaker.

    “It wasn’t loud,” the Nevada Democrat said. “It was just expressing frustration from a very frustrated Member.”

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.) was also overheard saying that “we can’t trust him” not to cave to Republicans and extend the tax cuts again in two years, according to a Democratic source.

    The anger aimed at the bill was widespread. As Democrats moved to block the bill from coming up on the floor, chants of “Just say no!” could be heard by reporters outside the room.

  88. Shadowfax
    I heard the same thing on Fox News but considering the source, I was reluctant to believe it. Where did you get the story?

  89. Shadowfax
    December 9th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    Mrs. S

    …too proud to admit she was WRONG- Still holding on for a miracle, Obama will solve all our problems turning lemons into lemonade Kool-aid.
    _________________

    haha- exactly right!

  90. If they have not figured out that Obama would sell their grandmothers for a nickel by now, they never will, the man uses, abuses and then tosses away, have they not worked this out yet.

  91. Clinton meets Israeli pointman on Mideast deadlock

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met here Thursday with Israel’s chief peace negotiator Yitzhak Molcho to see how to break the deadlock in the Middle East peace talks, her spokesman said.

    Clinton sought to get “a perspective on the Israeli side of how to move forward, and the secretary and Mr. Molcho also engaged in substantive issues,” her spokesman Philip Crowley said without elaborating.

    Their meeting lasted “for more than an hour” while US envoy George Mitchell, who is due to return to the region next week, and other Middle East experts also met with Molcho, Crowley said.

    Meanwhile, the Palestinian chief negotiator, Saeb Erakat, was due to arrive for talks with the US State Department’s Middle East team later Thursday and for talks with Clinton on Friday, he added.

    When asked if the Israeli and Palestinian teams could meet together here under US auspices, Crowley replied: “I’m not anticipating that there would be a three-sided meeting in Washington.”

    Crowley said Clinton had spoken twice over the telephone on Wednesday with Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.

    The calls were “to follow up on other meetings that President Abbas had had in the region and to encourage President Abbas to dispatch Saeb Erekat here for follow-on discussions, and President Abbas agreed,” he said.

    Crowley said Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad was also heading to Washington where he was expected to meet Clinton ahead of a forum at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy.

    The chief US diplomat was due to give a speech at the forum on a new strategy for advancing the peace process.

    Direct Palestinian-Israeli peace talks, only launched here in September, were thrown into disarray on Tuesday when Washington suspended its demand for Israel to renew a freeze on Jewish settlement building in the West Bank.

    Crowley said Wednesday that Washington still considered settlements in occupied Palestinian land to be illegal but would now seek means other than a settlement freeze to restart peace talks.

    The Palestinians have refused to return to peace talks without a new settlement freeze. They want it not only on the West Bank, but also in east Jerusalem, which they claim as the capital of a future state.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hoJ5QigIvG-3JfritxqlfcJzTH0w?docId=CNG.9aed0bb42e6143acab5dd7633a8f7fc7.5b1

  92. My thanks to all of my friends here on big pink for your many comforting condolences.You make my
    lonely hours easier.

    ABM92

  93. If they have not figured out that Obama would sell their grandmothers for a nickel by now, they never will, the man uses, abuses and then tosses away, have they not worked this out yet
    *********
    I think that was a major attraction for the corporate backers of Obama. At each stage of his life, he covered his tracks and started anew. During the primary, how many people came forward and said Barry was a great kid in HI or at college, or Law School? The two who spoke up and called “bullshit” were ignored. Barry Obama, a blank slate for a ghost writer to fabricate two autobiographies of a person who never existed. I now think that the whole stonewalling on the BC is not because there is a problem but because allowing one string to be pulled would have exposed the whole fraud.

  94. “we can’t trust him”

    They should have figured that out before they got on their knees. Fuckers. They robbed this country of the chance to have one of its best and most effective presidents, and condemned this place and those that live in it to a shitload more pain and suffering all for this fucking ambulatory turd in the WH. They fucked every American alive and a lot of people in other countries clear up the ass — SCREW THEM. I hope they all go down in flames, just like the working people I know have done because the economy is still in the toilet.

  95. moononpluto
    December 9th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Glad you are back- I missed the morning read with news you’ve found and posted. Welcome home-

  96. The looney left and the looney right have much in common.

    wbboei, they have more than you think in common, including the ability to forgive any murderous destruction of their duties as president if they mouth the right meaningless catchphrases and playact the way Our Kind playacts.

    The Right Wing: Bush should be allowed to start illegal wars because he’s a good Christian.

    The Left Wing: Obama should be allowed to demolish social security … oh, and keep illegal wars going … because he has an organic garden.

    I seriously remember that stupid photo of W with the Thanksgiving turkey and thinking, “Who in their right mind could be STUPID ENOUGH to fall for this bullshit?!” I said so to my erstwhile left-wing friends, and they did it up real good: “Yah, yah! Like omigawd, those right wingurz are like sooooo stoopit!

    Then, I saw them all get swoony for Barky and his shoulder brush-off, and the posters, etc. And like yah, they were so stoopit. Fucking disgusted me. That respect was lost, and it ain’t coming back.

  97. JanH

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton

    ——-
    Since you double posted the above title, I will up the anti:

    ** Madam President Hillary Rodham Clinton

    ** Madam President Hillary Rodham Clinton

    ** Madam President Hillary Rodham Clinton

  98. Shadowfax
    Thanks for the link to the Rollcall story. It’s so inflammatory that I wanted a second source.

  99. BigCat, yea, I have read about the drama on other news links but some left this part out…possibly to protect his skinny a$$.

  100. Mrs. Smith
    December 9th, 2010 at 4:28 pm

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    CLINTON: I would point to the fact that Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality. The power of that dream became real in people’s lives because we had a president who said, “We are going to do it,” and actually got it accomplished. [emphasis added]
    Kornblut and Bacon excluded Clinton’s reference to Kennedy despite reporting later in the article that “Clinton defended her remark about King” — during a January 13 appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press — where “[s]he said she was responding to a speech [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] made comparing himself to both John F. Kennedy and to King”:

    Clinton defended her remark about King, made the day before the New Hampshire primary, in a sometimes contentious appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday morning. She said she was responding to a speech Obama made comparing himself to both John F. Kennedy and to King, and she elaborated on her view of King’s role as a change agent.

    “Dr. King had been on the front lines. He had been leading a movement,” Clinton said. “But Dr. King understood, which is why he made it very clear, that there has to be a coming to terms of our country politically in order to make the changes that would last for generations beyond the iconic, extraordinary speeches that he gave. That’s why he campaigned for Lyndon Johnson in 1964. That’s why he was there when those great pieces of legislation were passed. Does he deserve the lion’s share of the credit for moving our country and moving our political process? Yes, he does. But he also had partners who were in the political system.”

  101. Damn it, Bill is meeting with Obama tomorrow. He can’t help Obama with this asful tax bill. It’s his own legacy at stake here. What gives?

  102. Hillary ALWAYS painted Obama as weak, too inexperienced and unprepared for this presidency.

    ================

    True.

    See my blog beginning in 2007:
    1950democrat.livejournal.com

    (Of course I’ve never supported any other candidate against her.)

  103. Damn it, Bill is meeting with Obama tomorrow. He can’t help Obama with this asful tax bill. It’s his own legacy at stake here. What gives?

    ==================

    I don’t think Bill’s legacy is that fragile. It’s built on years of solid achievement, not on some comment that most people won’t know about or remember.

  104. Damn it, Bill is meeting with Obama tomorrow. He can’t help Obama with this asful tax bill. It’s his own legacy at stake here. What gives?

    ==================

    I don’t think Bill’s legacy is that fragile. It’s built on years of solid achievement, not on some comment that most people won’t know about or remember.

  105. turndownobama
    December 9th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    —-

    I don’t know what you are talking about. I am referring specifically to Clinton-era tax policy and Obama’s walking away from plans to restore it.

  106. Damn it, Bill is meeting with Obama tomorrow. He can’t help Obama with this asful tax bill. It’s his own legacy at stake here. What gives?
    ********
    Why not..Obama is self-destructing at the predicted two year point in his first and only term. Bill and by inference the “Clintons” can be seen a good party supporters and not kicking the failed President. I am sure that Bill is laughing his a** off (very privately)at the POS that had his stooges call him a r*cist.

  107. mj
    December 9th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    Damn it, Bill is meeting with Obama tomorrow. He can’t help Obama with this asful tax bill. It’s his own legacy at stake here. What gives?
    ****************************
    Bill Clinton has been summoned I’m sure by BO for support. When you’re summoned by a President, you go especially when it’s your party. I’ll wait to see how he handles his support.

  108. Oh Big Cat, I am sure you are right. But I just hate the thought of Bill being anywhere near this disaster. But you are right.

  109. I wonder if Pres. Clinton is more amused or exhausted/annoyed at constantly being asked to rescue Obama.

    At this point, I guess it’s more of the latter…..

  110. It keeps Bill’s profile high while giving him an inside view of what is going on in the WH game plan. Annoying, but useful.

  111. turndown, here is the response you posted regarding the strategy Hillary will use.

    “Yes! Tho I think, rather than painting Obama as villain, she would be more likely to paint Obama as weak, inexperienced, not knowing the ‘levers of power’, more of a MLK than a LBJ, able to be ‘rolled by the GOP’ etc. “We’ve had the MLK, now let’s have the LBJ.”
    ________________________

    Here is my response to your above post:

    “You weren’t listening because you supported another candidate. Hillary ALWAYS painted Obama as weak, too inexperienced and unprepared for this presidency. As proof of her statement, she pointed to his voting record as a state senator, as well as his voting present 100X as a US Senator.”
    ________________________

    You posted this BS cut and paste diatribe,

    @ turndownobama
    December 9th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    that has nothing whatsoever to do backing your original statement below:

    Yes! Tho I think, rather than painting Obama as villain, she would be more likely to paint Obama as weak, inexperienced, not knowing the ‘levers of power’, more of a MLK than a LBJ, able to be ‘rolled by the GOP’ etc. “We’ve had the MLK, now let’s have the LBJ.”
    __________________________

    You post a story that has nothing to do with your original response predicting how Hillary will no longer compare Obama to MLK…

    Hillary NEVER compared Obama to MLK. It is your confusion comparing a later flap about the Civil Rights movement where Obama tried comparing his life with that of MLK and crediting MLK with the Civil Rights movement… and Hillary set the record straight. It was the Johnson/King partnership that made the signing of Civil Rights possibele.

  112. (Of course I’ve never supported any other candidate against her.)
    _______________________

    You pride yourself on being a Lefty. The Left has NEVER supported Hillary. They support Obama, which may soon change to who knows who they will support next.

  113. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/nyregion/10health.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=print

    Republicans Block U.S. Health Aid for 9/11 Workers

    WASHINGTON — Republican senators blocked Democratic legislation on Thursday that sought to provide medical care to rescue workers and others who became ill as a result of breathing in toxic fumes, dust and smoke at the site of the World Trade Center attack in 2001.

    The 9/11 health bill, a version of which was approved by the House in September, was among several initiatives that Senate Democrats had hoped to approve before the close of the 111th Congress. Supporters believe this was their last real opportunity to have the bill passed.

    The action by the Senate created huge uncertainty over the bill’s future. Its proponents were working on Thursday to salvage the legislation, with one possibility being to have it inserted into a large tax-cut bill that Republicans and Democrats are trying to pass before Congress ends its current session.

    Such a move seemed unlikely, since it might complicate passage of the tax package, which includes a provision that President Obama sought in return for backing the continuation of tax cuts for all income levels that Republicans wanted: an extension of unemployment benefits.

    In a vote largely along party lines, the Senate rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the 9/11 health bill and to bring it to a vote; 60 yes votes were needed, but the move received 57, with 42 votes against.

    Republicans have been raising concerns about how to pay for the $7.4 billion measure, while Democrats, led by Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand of New York, have argued that there was a moral obligation to assist those who put their lives at risk during rescue and cleanup operations at ground zero.

    The bill is formally known as the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, named after a New York police detective who participated in the rescue efforts at ground zero. He later developed breathing complications that were common to first responders at the site, and he died in January 2006. The cause of his death became a source of debate after the city’s medical examiner concluded that it was not directly related to the attacks.

    After the vote, Representative Carolyn B. Maloney of New York, a chief sponsor of the bill in the House, argued that Democrats should include the 9/11 health bill in the larger tax-cut legislation and, in the process, dare Republicans to oppose it in that context.

    As the day wore on, it appeared increasingly unlikely that the Senate would include a provision providing health care for ground zero workers in any tax package it brought to the floor, according to senior Capitol Hill officials. But supporters of the 9/11 legislation said there was a possibility they could persuade Democratic leaders in the House to include it in any tax-cut plan that the chamber approved and win Senate approval during negotiations over differences in measures passed by the two chambers.

    The Senate action was a blow to sponsors of the bill, who mobilized a network of allies across the political spectrum to lobby on its behalf, including the New York City police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. Ms. Gillibrand, the chief sponsor in the Senate, even reached out to former President George W. Bush. But her aides say Mr. Bush did not respond to her entreaties.

    In a statement, the mayor chastised Senate Republicans for their “wrongheaded political strategy” and called on them to allow a floor vote on the bill. “The attacks of 9/11 were attacks on America,” he said, “and we have a collective responsibility to care for the heroes, from all 50 states, who answered the call of duty, saved lives and helped our nation recover.”

    The bill calls for providing $3.2 billion over the next eight years to monitor and treat injuries stemming from exposure to toxic dust and debris at ground zero. New York City would pay 10 percent of those health costs.

    The bill would also set aside $4.2 billion to reopen the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund to provide payments for job and economic losses.

    In addition, the bill includes a provision that would allow money from the Victim Compensation Fund to be paid to any eligible claimant who receives a payment under the settlement of lawsuits that 10,000 rescue and cleanup workers recently reached with the city.

    Now, those who receive a settlement from the city are limited in how much compensation they can get from the fund, according to the bill’s sponsors.

    There are nearly 60,000 people enrolled in health monitoring and treatment programs related to the 9/11 attacks, according to the sponsors of the bill. The federal government provides the bulk of the money for those programs.

    If the bill is not adopted by the current Congress, its supporters will have start over again next year. With Republicans set to take control of the House, passing the bill in that chamber will be extremely difficult, the bill’s supporters say. That is a large part of the reason backers of the measure were pleading with Senate leaders to get it passed by this Congress.

  114. Mrs. Smith
    December 9th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Huh? I’m the Left, and I never supported anyone but Hillary. Where on earth do you get that from? Frankly, alot of what you say sounds pretty Lefty to me.

  115. If the bill is not adopted by the current Congress, its supporters will have start over again next year. With Republicans set to take control of the House, passing the bill in that chamber will be extremely difficult, the bill’s supporters say. That is a large part of the reason backers of the measure were pleading with Senate leaders to get it passed by this Congress.
    ***************

    And the Dem’s were so concerned about the 9/11 responders health concerns that in their rush to give them healthcare, they forgot to put in the “fraudcare” bill they rammed down our throats. Yes, it is all the Republicans fault.

    Something stinks here me thinkit!

  116. mj
    December 9th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    What in the world leads you to believe I agree with all your posts? The Left’s citadel is located at Democratic Underground. Admin knows who I am. I changed to another moniker here because of the tumult with DU when I was excommnicated for being a Hillary supporter.

    Could be you may not be a Leftist after all; you just think you are.

  117. I just rented a pay per view movie-

    I’m having just too much fun here and hate leaving.

    I will be back later- 😆

  118. Sounds like the left calling the left, ‘left’ here. 😆
    There’s the new left, the old left, the moderate left and the crazy far left. Confusing isn’t it?

  119. Well the street theater over the tax bill will continue but it will pass before Jan 1. The House Dems will put on a second act show, then kiss up with sociopath-in-chief and screw the working class.

    “WASHINGTON – The White House and key lawmakers cleared the way Thursday night for swift Senate action to avert a Jan. 1 spike in income taxes for nearly all Americans, agreeing to extend breaks for ethanol and other forms of alternative energy as part of the deal.’

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tax_cuts

    And now they are going to throw more money down the rat hole of the Ethanol scam.

  120. Mrs. Smith
    December 9th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Who are you to decide who the Left is, or where the Left goes online? Sorry but you are wrong. And, I never said you agreed with all my posts. I said several of YOUR post sure sound Left to me. The Left isn’t defined by who supports Obama. That’s crazy. And, most people who use the term “the Left” are rightwingers, and they don’t make any distinction between Democrats who support Obama or Democrats who support Hillary. We are all “the Left” to them. Finally, you are not the only one who got run off a so-called progressive blog for supporting Hillary. That still doesn’t make those people “the Left”. Turndown has always said they were a Hillary supporter, so clearly your contention that “the Left” NEVER supported Hillary is inaccurate.

  121. This goes to the question of whether the Democratic Party will survive. I think it is an open question, and will comment on it after posting this article.

    The Race

    Posted by Dan McLaughlin (Profile)
    Thursday, December 9th at 9:20PM EST
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    The problem with hiring a guy because of his race is, it gets very hard if you have to fire him.

    Barack Obama is likely to face a primary challenge in 2012, but the question of the day is whether it will be some minor fringe-like protest candidate like Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel or a more serious challenger like Howard Dean or Russ Feingold. Jamelle Bouie, an African-American* columnist for the liberal magazine The American Prospect, says what other Democrats may be thinking but afraid to vocalize: Obama’s race is the biggest obstacle to a serious primary challenge to the president in 2012 because black voters would look at such a challenge through the lens of race. The Politico flags the issue:

    That’s in large part because Obama enjoys overwhelming and unwavering support among African-Americans, a pillar of the Democratic coalition.

    An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found that 90 percent of blacks approved of Obama’s performance while just 6 percent said they disapproved.

    “You just start out with the fact of the matter that in a Democratic primary the African-American vote is enormous, and so unless you could somehow split that one group away from him – which I doubt anybody can do – you can’t possibly even put a dent in his candidacy,” said longtime Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, Dean’s top strategist in 2004 and a leader in the insurgent wing of the party.

    That 90% figure is far out of step with every other demographic (even those that remain comparatively loyal to Obama) and far more extreme than opposition to Obama in any group. And it’s consistent with the level of support he got not only against John McCain but Hillary Clinton as well; the Clintons had long had deep and broad support among African-American voters (remember when Bill was christened “the first black president”?), and Hillary and Obama were running on fairly similar platforms, yet Obama won 90 or more percent of the black vote in just about every primary. There is no possible way to explain such a dramatic voting pattern other than racial solidarity: voting for Obama because he was black.

    Bouie goes further than Trippi and argues that because of that racial loyalty, black voters would not only stick with Obama in the primary but then abandon the Democratic Party if it turned against Obama over his performance in office, perhaps even if the primary challenge was unsuccessful:

    [A] challenge would destroy the Democratic Party in national elections…it would drive a huge wedge between African Americans and the party at large. Blacks have been loyal supporters of every Democratic president since Johnson, even when that support was undeserved (see: Bill Clinton). Moreover, like the vast majority of voters, African Americans aren’t engaged with the policy disputes that drive (elite) progressive disillusionment with the president….To them, a primary challenge looks less like principled objection, and more like an attack from white liberals, who could put up with worse from white presidents, but won’t hesitate to turn their backs on the first black one.

    Black anger over a primary would quickly end their loyalty to the Democratic Party, and doom the party in national elections for as long as they stay at arms length.

    This is a pretty dim view of what motivates African-American voters, who after all have voted in massive numbers for liberal candidates for the past several decades, at least theoretically because they supported those candidates’ positions on the issues of the day and their qualifications for office (talk for ten minutes with your average Tea Partier – of any color – and you may find that Bouie’s view of most voters as not being interested in issues is an overgeneralization). While you get threats like this now and then from all sorts of groups, the fact is that nobody seriously worries about a reaction like this from other voting blocs – Mormon voters didn’t abandon the GOP when Mitt Romney lost the primaries, evangelical Christians didn’t become less Republican over the defeat of Harriet Miers (to name two examples where overwrought commentators threatened such things). Southern evangelicals did leave the Democratic party in large numbers after supporting Jimmy Carter in 1976, but more because they were disappointed in the performance of Carter and other Democrats in office than because he was challenged by Ted Kennedy, and I’m pretty sure nobody in Ted’s camp worried that such voters would be alienated by his challenge.

    Are black voters different in that regard? I don’t know, although I suspect Bouie is at least right that if Obama actually lost the primary, African-American turnout would probably be low enough in the fall to utterly doom any challenger. Here in New York, I recall a similar dynamic after Al Sharpton’s loss in a racially divisive Senate primary in 1992 helped doom the winner, Robert Abrams, and Mark Green faced a similar fate after defeating Fernando Ferrer in the 2001 Democratic primary for New York City Mayor.

    But I suspect that enough leading Democrats share Bouie’s broader fears that they will hesitate to support the kind of challenge to Obama that was mounted against Carter in 1980 and against Lyndon Johnson in 1968, as well as (in the pre-primary days) Harry Truman in 1948. No matter what Obama does, the Democrats will be afraid that trying to fire him is even worse.

    * – I mention Bouie’s race only because in this instance it’s relevant to his perspective on this particular topic.

  122. gonzotx
    December 9th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    BigCatLover
    December 9th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I am a centrist and dam proud of it!
    ************************
    Now I have to list all the forms of centrist. There’s moderates, independents, right leaning lefties, left leaning righties (in theory only, I’ve never really met one) and just plain whishy washy people (so I’ve heard centrists called on some blogs). I’m an independent whose leaned left all my life, but since the newbie left (Obama supporters) are called left, I guess I’m centrist now too. 😆

  123. wbboei
    December 9th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    The vocal AAs will definately object loud and long, but the question is how do the quiet, reflective AAs feel about this. If they can’t find work or are losing their house, are they open to a compromise for the future. Of course, if Obama moves on to something else of his own choice, how much hard feelings would remain. Some, of course, but how muxh is the question.

  124. BigCatLover

    Sounds like the left calling the left, ‘left’ here. 😆
    There’s the new left, the old left, the moderate left and the crazy far left. Confusing isn’t it?
    ———-
    I was having the same conversation in my head, thinking of what to say and then drifted down and read this post of yours 😆

    Most of us fall somewhere on the left of Rethugs, but what we used to think of ourselves, we no longer feel comfortable with since the O’donkey’s took over. I was a liberal, leaned to the center on fiscal issues…now I think of myself as a centrist, but then someone that is much further to the right than I, calls them self a centrist makes me want to run to the left. I am dizzy.

    The only thing I know is that I am a Clinton Democrat, and that’s it.

  125. If the above writer and the one cited by admin are correct, then the blacks will resist any attempt to challenge Obama for the 2012 nomination, even as he becomes more toxic to the rest of America for the general election. That means he will run again and he will lose in the general election. When he does lose there may be riots, as Doug Wilder and Jesse Jackson III predicted for Denver in 2008 which will further alienate the party from the mainstream. And because Obama has no coattails, and the non black candidates will be discouraged from running they will lose again in 2016. This is the pattern we see in most big cities where there is a large black demographic. Race trumps agenda or qualifications. This is how a national party implodes. We still need a credible party capable of challenging establishment republicans. Time will tell who that will be.

  126. This race business if the third rail of national politics. You cannot build a party around that. If you try you will get electrocuted. That was the mistake the Obamacats made. It is a serious one.

  127. wbboei

    This race business if the third rail of national politics. You cannot build a party around that. If you try you will get electrocuted. That was the mistake the Obamacats made. It is a serious one.
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    They pulled the race card out so many times that it has turned into the ‘Joker’ card.

    Most folks have become desensitized over it. If someone calls me a racist now, I just start laughing and call them an Obot!

  128. wbboei
    December 9th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
    The vocal AAs will definately object loud and long, but the question is how do the quiet, reflective AAs feel about this. If they can’t find work or are losing their house, are they open to a compromise for the future. Of course, if Obama moves on to something else of his own choice, how much hard feelings would remain. Some, of course, but how muxh is the question.
    ————————————-
    That is an excellent question.

    There is a famous scene in the John Ford classic movie She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, where a great Lakota Souix chief tries to talk common sense to young braves who are bent on making war. He points our that many young men will be killed on both sides, and says over and over it is no good. He gets shouted down by the loud voices who want war. It seems to me that that is the principle which applies in that case.

    I wish I could tell you that desperation helps people see that something is not working, and make rational decisions, more often that not it is the opposite. When hard times hit human beings revert to tribalism and scapegoating. That is the tragedy of history.

  129. wbboei is right, this would be a serious worry for the dem party. However, the force of the attacks even big Obama apologists are mounting now seems to indicate that they have seen a way around this. For example, Eliot Spitzer on Parker/Spitzer on CNN who has always made major excuses for everything Obama does, changed his tune big time the last two nights and said tonight that Obama is now weak, too weak to recover from this. Others are saying similar things.

  130. Keep hoping that I’ll read some where someone turning waffles hostage metaphor upon him. The dims have held women, gays, hispanics and blacks hostage with the implied fear of what the Repubs would do. I now blame every vote I cast pre-2008 on Stockholm syndrome.

    As far as identification and right vs left. Today I see the left as a cesspool populated by the likes of oberman, behar, rhodes, maher and that nasty thing griffin. For the most part they are entertainers but the media and the powers that be do nothing to extinguish the fire they incite and in fact give them a platform to do it. Fiscally I have always been a bit of a centrist and find myself applauding the Mexican billionaire who has basically said STFU about the promise to give pledge. He said 50 trillion has been donated and you do a lot more good by creating jobs.

    Tried to read Atlas Shrugged 20 years ago and couldn’t get into it but now I hear it calling my name.

  131. Most folks have become desensitized over it. If someone calls me a racist now, I just start laughing and call them an Obot!
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    When we make common currency out of vitues we wear the gold off them–Nietzsche. The same is true of vices. Not for nothing has it been said that false charges of racism are the last bastion of scoundrels.

  132. Chris Matthews Insists ‘Hardball Is Absolutely Nonpartisan’
    By Tim Graham | December 09, 2010 | 14:43

    Patrick Gavin at Politico captured revelations from a Thursday interview Chris Matthews granted at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in DC. On his show: “Obviously, I think I’m the best. But each one of the other people think they’re the best, too….I think I’m the best, generally….There’s no doubt about it, in fact, but other people have different views….’Hardball’ is absolutely nonpartisan.”

    How then, does Matthews explain his Thrill Up My Leg reputation? Is he a journalist? He says yes: “Absolutely. I have to deal with facts every night. I have to cover the news every night.” Does he really believe people watching his show buy that he’s running a fact-based nonpartisan seminar?

    But to Matthews, The Washington Post has now devolved into a “neocon” paper. He reads the Washington Examiner first, then Politico, and “Then I look at the [Washington] Post, which is not what it used to be. Each year it’s less than what it used to be before….It’s so neocon I can hardly read it….I read the New York Times….You gotta read some other newspapers before you read the Times, you have to work your way up to it…. The [Wall Street] Journal, once in a while, not often.”

    He also dismissed The Washington Post’s Style section: “I used to love the Style section. … What a joke it is. … It’s about this ridiculous show business news that is totally boring.”

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2010/12/09/chris-matthews-insists-hardball-absolutely-nonpartisan#ixzz17g8V1lvj

  133. From ACE…FILE UNDER HELL HAS FROZEN OVER. It really is the end of the world…
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    Ha: “Gays” Seeking Asylum From Islamic Countries Must Now Face The Indignity of… A Peter-Meter Test

    It actually makes sense. Since “I’m gay” is treated as high-preference statement for those seeking Visas to Europe from Islamic countries, it becomes the sort of thing that anyone’s going to say, whether gay or not.

    But it’s also invasive. But how would you know? You can’t just take someone’s word on it, when “I’m gay” is being elevated to magic words conferring almost-automatic entry.

    So…

    If you think a TSA grope is bad, gay men seeking asylum in the Czech Republic are forced to drop their pants and get hooked up to a penile plethysmograph to find out just how gay they are. After the “peter meter” device is attached to their penises, they are subjected to all kinds of pornography to see what happens to their junk. This test then determines if they can seek asylum.
    The European Union’s main human rights agency, the Fundamental Rights Agency, denounced the procedure. BBC reports, “The case first came to light after a German court refused to deport an Iranian asylum seeker to the Czech Republic, saying as a homosexual he would be subjected to the test.” Apparently, your religious views about viewing pornography are ignored. And it’s OK, sez Czech officials, because they only do it to asylum seekers who identify as gay.

  134. This why we have Gov Moonbeam
    **************

    Berkeley City Council Decides It Hasn’t Gotten Any Attention In A Year; Sets Out To Fix That
    —Ace

    Emo drama whores.

    Message: Please pay attention to us. We’re important.

    The Berkeley City Council will consider a resolution that would declare the Army private suspected of leaking classified information to WikiLeaks a hero and call for his release.

    Bob Meola, who authored the resolution, tells the San Francisco Chronicle that Manning is a patriot who deserves a medal.

  135. gonzotx
    December 9th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
    Chris Matthews Insists ‘Hardball Is Absolutely Nonpartisan’

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    There’s none so blind as those who will not see

  136. “That was the mistake the Obamacats made. It is a serious one.”

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    Aided and abetted to this very day by a feckless and shrunken media.

  137. Jesus the man can’t help himself. i am liking me some Merkel!
    *********

    Barry at the Gate. He’s not wanted.

    ANGIE MERKEL: “NEIN!”

    By Mark Kilmer

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel does not want Obama to speak at the Brandenburg Gate.
    Earlier, I had whined, as is my recurrent wont, about Barack Obama’s strangely arrogant desire to speak at Berlin’s Brandenburg Gate when he visits Europe later this year. That Gate, when it was metaphorically closed, was the scene of one of the modern world’s historic speeches, when Ronald Reagan challenged Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev to open the gate and to “tear down this wall!” Now, Barry wants to invite the requisite Reagan-comparisons by talking HopeChangeHope at a place where the world’s reality changed. What a lightweight!
    Well, this is apparently getting some bad air in Germany these days.
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said she opposes the idea, referring to the highly symbolic landmark as an “inappropriate” setting for a speech linked to a domestic American political campaign.

  138. A Peter-Meter Test
    *********
    Several research studies have been done using the “Peter-Meter”. Volunteers are given a pre-study survey to determine attitudes toward “gays”. Then they exposed to gay “p0rn” while attached to the plethysmograph. The most “homophobic” tend to be the most responsive to gay porn. A psychologist would call such behavior a “reaction formation.”

  139. black voters would not only stick with Obama in the primary but then abandon the Democratic Party if it turned against Obama over his performance in office, perhaps even if the primary challenge was unsuccessful:

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    Huh? The writer thinks the blacks he’s talking about would vote against Obama in Nov 2012 (or even stay home) just because someone unsuccessfully challenged him in Aug 2012?

    Imo that group would be more likely to come out and support him in Nov, as a kick at the challengers.

    Anyway, that writer has little credibility, as he said Bill Clinton didn’t deserve black support in the past.

  140. It keeps Bill’s profile high while giving him an inside view of what is going on in the WH game plan. Annoying, but useful.

    =================

    I’m not sure whether Bill would WANT a high profile next to Obamatax. He might want to make some improvements in it, as well as see what’s going on, though.

  141. The last few seconds in that video is hilarious.

    The only way Obama gets denied the second term is if he voluntarily decides to not run (may be some skeletons mysteriously come out of the closet?!) or Republicans find a candidate that is guaranteed to win and the Dems put pressure on Obama to not run (maybe by releasing a few leaks worse than wikileaks). There won’t be a primary in the regular sense of the word. Imagine though if this was a parliamentary system there would be a ‘no confidence’ motion right about now and the party could have nominated Hillary. This tradition of not challenging a sitting president even after a full first term is pretty lame. The party does not respect the voters enough to afford them the democratic principles in their true form. Quite pathetic.

  142. Good for Merkel. But her statement against Barry at the Gate was published in Redstate at 10:38am on Jul. 11, 2008

    Do you think he wants to go back, or something? 😉

  143. How about, a Lefty is anyone who says they are?

    If anyone wants a more objective measure, here’s a quiz that might be a starting point, thogh of course we needn’t agree with where the writer put the midpoint.

    http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

    I scored well toward the left border, and a little down into anti-authoritarian space, which seemed about right. I usually describe myself as “Way left of Obama, and somewhat left of the Clintons and even of Gore.”

  144. Admin…you are amazing…thanks for finding that Jeanne Moos clip…too much…hope everyone gets to ‘enjoy’it…you always come through…

  145. As predicted. More proof that the left is completely useless. They wail, nash their teeth and talk tough about no tax cuts for the wealthy. But cross their palm with thirty pieces of silver and they become compliant dolts. This is why the left cannot be counted upon to help save America. Their support is for sale to the highest bidder. Principle means nothing.
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    Peace in our time: Obama, House Dems strike bargain on tax cuts deal?
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    Does this mean … no impeachment? Because I’ve got to tell you, after this morning’s unpleasantness, my expectations were sky high.

    The AP’s vague on the precise terms — and cost — of the bargain, but it sounds like that righteous liberal rage over the new estate tax rate magically dissipated after it was sprinkled with a few ethanol subsidies. Let’s call this “The Cornhusker Kickback — part two”:

    The White House and key lawmakers cleared the way Thursday night for swift Senate action to avert a Jan. 1 spike in income taxes for nearly all Americans, agreeing to extend breaks for ethanol and other forms of alternative energy as part of the deal.

    Tax provisions aimed at increasing production of hybrid automobiles, biodiesel fuel, energy-efficient homes, coal and energy-efficient household appliances would be extended through the end of 2011 under the bill.

    Debate on the expanded measure began almost immediately. While there is no precise timetable for passage, a test vote was set for Monday afternoon that appears likely to demonstrate overwhelmingly support for the legislation, which supporters say would help accelerate a sluggish recovery from recession…

    Among the energy tax provisions added was an extension of the current 45-cent per gallon subsidy for ethanol, at a cost to the Treasury estimated at nearly $5 billion. The issue is of particular interest to lawmakers from Midwestern states with grain crops.

    That’s the news this evening. Here was the scene this morning, when our proud progressive House caucus was dug in and ready to fightfightfight for principle and justice and mass wealth confiscation:

    “We have tremendous concerns about what was given away by the White House to Mitch McConnell and the Senate,” DeFazio said after emerging from the meeting in the Capitol basement. McConnell and Vice President Joe Biden were key players in the final round of talks to reach the $900 billion agreement.

    At one point during the meeting, a chant of “Just say no!” could be heard coming from the closed-door meeting of the Democratic Caucus. Then Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) led the group in a round of “No we can’t.”

    Then Obama threw an energy bribe at them and they started chanting “Yes we can” again. What a gang of cheap losers. Here’s Tapper’s already dated report on ABC from a few hours ago citing sources who say they’re dealing with the five stages of grief over the deal. How easily grief is overcome when you get to wipe your eyes with thousand-dollar bills.

  146. The only way Obama gets denied the second term is if he voluntarily decides to not run (may be some skeletons mysteriously come out of the closet?!) or Republicans find a candidate that is guaranteed to win and the Dems put pressure on Obama to not run (maybe by releasing a few leaks worse than wikileaks). There won’t be a primary in the regular sense of the word. Imagine though if this was a parliamentary system there would be a ‘no confidence’ motion right about now and the party could have nominated Hillary. This tradition of not challenging a sitting president even after a full first term is pretty lame. The party does not respect the voters enough to afford them the democratic principles in their true form. Quite pathetic.
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    By run, you mean run for the nomination I assume. Because he would get slaughtered in the general election. The likely state of the economy will kill him politically, to say nothing of the cardinal mistakes he is bound to make between now and then. He is very bad news for the country in general and blacks in particular.

  147. Damn it, Bill is meeting with Obama tomorrow. He can’t help Obama with this asful tax bill. It’s his own legacy at stake here. What gives?
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    All of us have struggled with this at one time or another. This morning, upon hearing the news of the latest rescue session, these thoughts came to mind:
    It might be fun to know if Obie is as arrogant at his tutoring sessions as he is in the rest of his life. Hope we can find that out some day.
    In the serious vein, this reminds me of a friend talking about the loser her daughter was about to marry. She and her husband concluded that their daughter would need lots of help … and prepared to be there for her.
    ***
    Must say Obie’s failures do not stop his agenda: Obama Weighs Multi-Year Effort to Overhaul Tax Code
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/10/obama-weighs-multi-year-effort-overhaul-tax-code/
    Just like Bush; has to ‘fix’ everything.
    ***
    And finally, it appears that the price of continuing at the WH includes the nation-wide appearance of being Christian. The family all looking Chrismassy last night, red scarves and everything. MO singing, perhaps a Christmas carol???? Obie last night:

    “Tonight, we celebrate a story that is as beautiful as it is simple. The story of a child born far from home to parents guided only by faith, but who would ultimately spread a message that has endured for more than 2,000 years -– that no matter who we are or where we are from, we are each called to love one another as brother and sister. While this story may be a Christian one, its lesson is universal. It speaks to the hope we share as a people. And it represents a tradition that we celebrate as a country –- a tradition that has cometo represent more than any one holiday or religion, but a season of brotherhood and generosity to our fellow citizens.”
    h t t p://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-national-christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony

    How will he explain this to the muslim communities?????
    The many faces of Obama.

  148. Tuition Student Protesters attack car containing Prince Charles

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40588201/ns/world_news-europe/

    LONDON — Angry protesters in London have attacked a car containing Prince Charles, the heir to the British throne, and his wife Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.

    The couple were heading to a theater for a charity variety performance Thursday when their Rolls Royce crossed paths with a volatile gang of demonstrators who attacked the vehicle with fists, boots and bottles — and chanted “Off with their heads!”

    An Associated Press photographer saw demonstrators kick the car in Regent Street, in the heart of London’s shopping district. Protesters cracked a window and hit the vehicle with paint, the BBC reported. The car then drove off.

    The prince’s office had no immediate comment.

    Protesters had earlier clashed with police outside British parliament in central London as the government approved plans to increase fees paid by university students despite a rebellion by members of the coalition government.

    The lower house of parliament approved the plan by a majority of 21 votes, indicating that several members of the ruling Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition had failed to back it.

    The students wanted the government to reverse course. They marched through central London, banging drums, waving placards and chanting “education is not for sale,” as weeks of nationwide protests reached a crescendo.

  149. POTUS on Nobel Peace Prize: “Liu Xiaobo is far more deserving of this award than I was.”

    No shit, got a real Sherlock Holmes on our hands here.

  150. Moon – the problem with Obama’s statement is

    1) Once again he has to insert HIMSELF into another persons honor
    2) He assumes he was deserving at all

    Once again, he proves himself to be an asshole.

  151. Obama has drawn his line in the sand, and will not move until he moves. Biden delivered the bad news and key members of the Obama coalition went ballistic–can’t trust him, fuck him, felicitous words to that effect. For now at least, House Democrats are not buying it.

    The Obama coalition in the House wants more pork for their corporations, which will bury the American People. Meanwhile, establishment Republicans are gloating like morons because they think they have won a debating point about supply side economics.

    The Speaker will either Obama OR defy the law makers she represents. I hope it is the former. I hope the 52 democrats in the House who oppose this deal hold the line. And I hope the true conservatives vote against establishment republicans for the same reason. This will effect a permanent separation between Obama and his coalition.

    The best scenario is for this deal to go down, and be resurrected in the second week in January when the leverage shifts to the Republicans. At that point a better deal can be negotiated. The best part of this is all the establishment figures from both political parties are in a no win position, and I like it that way. That is the only hope for the American People.

  152. wbboei
    December 10th, 2010 at 2:16 am
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    By run I mean the GE. If he won’t voluntarily go away, there will be no meaningful primary to get him out of the race as far as the party is concerned. He may lose in the GE but the Dims will risk it.

  153. By run I mean the GE. If he won’t voluntarily go away, there will be no meaningful primary to get him out of the race as far as the party is concerned. He may lose in the GE but the Dims will risk it.
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    This is about control of the democratic party by the blacks. That was the underlying message of 2008. So you are right about that part. But I do not think for one minute that he stands a chance in the general election. His only real ally when the left abandons him will be the Republicans. And they have their own eyes on the presidency. Their plans do not include him. I think he is fucked in the general election. Most of the people I talk to agree. However, it will be made to look like it is a horse race. Of course it is always possible the Republicans will screw it up. The establishment Republicans are the other part of the problem. They tell me that the tea party movement will dissipate and it will continue to be a duopoly in Washington. Forgive me if I am skeptical. But the one thing I can say for sure. If the economy is like it is now, he is toast. The American People will not tolerate failure, even at the risk of being called racists.

  154. I agree the GE will be tough and the Repubs are already salivating at the prospect of a win. If Dems want to win it is not with Obama. They will have to figure out how to make him not run.

  155. K have not had the guts to buy Nail Ferguisons book The Ascent of Money. That will change, because it is the single best explanation of where we are now and where we are heading that I have seen.

  156. I agree the GE will be tough and the Repubs are already salivating at the prospect of a win. If Dems want to win it is not with Obama. They will have to figure out how to make him not run.
    ——————————
    Right. But who’s to do it, if not Hillary. The issue would be his birth certificate, or something like that. The lure for this asshole to run again will be his supporters who want four more years feeding at the public trough to whisper something in his ear about needing to burnish his legacy. But it is a dead end for the party. As I say, the American People will not tolerate failure, and if deserves a Nobel Prize for anything it is for that–failure.

  157. I don’t have a problem with Bill Clinton meeting with obama again and again. He is doing this for one person only: Hillary Clinton.

    No one can say he isn’t supportive. They can try, but it won’t work.

  158. From Audacity to Animosity
    No president has alienated his base the way Obama has.
    By PEGGY NOONAN

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    We have not in our lifetimes seen a president in this position. He spent his first year losing the center, which elected him, and his second losing his base, which is supposed to provide his troops. There isn’t much left to lose! Which may explain Tuesday’s press conference.

    President Obama was supposed to be announcing an important compromise, as he put it, on tax policy. Normally a president, having agreed with the opposition on something big, would go through certain expected motions. He would laud the specific virtues of the plan, show graciousness toward the negotiators on the other side—graciousness implies that you won—and refer respectfully to potential critics as people who’ll surely come around once they are fully exposed to the deep merits of the plan.

    Instead Mr. Obama said, essentially, that he hates the deal he just agreed to, hates the people he made the deal with, and hates even more the people who’ll criticize it. His statement was startling in the breadth of its animosity. Republicans are “hostage takers” who worship a “holy grail” of “tax cuts for the wealthy.” “That seems to be their central economic doctrine.”

    As for the left, they ignore his accomplishments and are always looking for “weakness and compromise.” They are “sanctimonious,” “purist,” and just want to “feel good about” themselves. In a difficult world, they cling to their “ideal positions” and constant charges of “betrayals.”

    Those not of the left might view all this as straight talk, and much needed. But if you were of the left it would only deepen your anger and sharpen your response. Which it did. “Gettysburg,” “sellout,” “disaster.”

    Editorial Board Member Steve Moore on the tax deal.

    The president must have thought that distancing himself from left and right would make him more attractive to the center. But you get credit for going to the center only if you say the centrist position you’ve just embraced is right. If you suggest, as the president did, that the seemingly moderate plan you agreed to is awful and you’ll try to rescind it in two years, you won’t leave the center thinking, “He’s our guy!” You’ll leave them thinking, “Note to self: Remove Obama in two years.”

    In politics, the angry person is generally understood to be the loser, which is why politicians on TV always try not to seem angry. And politics is always, at the end of the day, a game of addition, not subtraction.

    Mr. Obama’s problem is not only with the left of his party. Democratic professionals, people who do the work of politics day by day, don’t see him as a bad man or a sellout, but they scratch their heads over him and privately grouse. They don’t understand a Democratic president who, in the midst of a great recession, in our modern welfare state, doesn’t know how to win support! The other night Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor, Ed Rendell, was on “Hardball” sounding reasonable on the subject of Mr. Obama, but I thought his eyes, his visage, his professionally pleasant face were screaming: Those crazy birthers are wrong, he’s not from another country—he’s from another galaxy! He doesn’t do politics like any normal person!

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    The left has been honestly disappointed in Mr. Obama. He did not come through as they think he should have in myriad ways—the public option, closing Guantanamo, war, now the tax plan. But—and this makes it all more complicated and fascinating—the left does not say Mr. Obama has been revealed to be at heart a conservative, or a Republican. Most of them know he is one of them—his worldview is more of less theirs, his assumptions are theirs. Does anyone doubt he would have included a public option in health care if he thought he could have? He judged that he couldn’t. He didn’t have the numbers in the Senate. It isn’t an argument about philosophy or ideology. It’s only an argument about what’s practical and possible.

    Some on the left argue that if only the president had talked more, and more passionately, if he’d worked it harder, he could have brought the country to support leftist programs. But why do they think this? The general public has seen the president out there for two years talking and promoting a generally leftist direction. Voters demonstrated in elections through 2009 and ’10 that a generally leftist direction is not what they want.

    All of this—the disenchantment of the left, the confusion of the party’s professionals—has led to increased talk of a primary challenger to Mr. Obama in 2012.

    And here too the president’s position would be without parallel.

    When Pat Buchanan challenged an incumbent president in his party’s presidential primary in 1992, he was going at George H.W. Bush from the right. Mr. Bush’s base wasn’t the right, it was the party’s center. His support came from people who said not “I am a conservative,” but “I am a Republican.” Mr. Bush wasn’t challenged from his base.

    When Ted Kennedy challenged a sitting president of his party in 1980, he was going at Jimmy Carter from the left. But Mr. Carter’s base wasn’t the left, it was more or less in the party’s center.

    When Ronald Reagan challenged a sitting president of his party in 1976, he was going at Gerald Ford from the right. Like Mr. Bush, Ford’s base wasn’t the right, it was the party’s establishment. Eugene McCarthy in 1968 the same—he challenged Lyndon Johnson from the left, while Johnson’s base within the party was the establishment.

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    Modern presidents are never challenged from their base, always by the people who didn’t love them going in. You’re not supposed to get a serious primary challenge from the people who loved you. But that’s the talk of what may happen with Mr. Obama.

    The Democratic Party is stuck. Their problem is not, as some have said, that they don’t have anyone of sufficient stature to challenge the president. Russ Feingold and Howard Dean have said they aren’t interested, but a challenger can always be found, or can emerge. If anything marks this political age, it’s that anyone can emerge.

    The Democrats’ problem is that most of them know that the person who would emerge, who would challenge Mr. Obama from the left, would never, could never, win the 2012 general election. He’d lose badly and take the party with him. Democratic professionals know the mood of the country. Challenging Mr. Obama from the left would mean definitely losing the presidency, as opposed to probably losing the presidency.

    There is only one Democrat who could possibly challenge Mr. Obama for the nomination successfully and win the general election, and that is Hillary Clinton. Who insists she doesn’t want to.

    What are the Democrats to do? If you are stuck with a president, you try to survive either with him or, individually, in spite of him. Some Democrats will try to bring him back. How? Who knows. But that will be a great Democratic drama of 2011: Saving Obama.

    The White House itself still probably thinks the Republicans can save him, by overstepping, by alienating moderates. But so far, on domestic matters, they’re looking pretty calm and sober. They didn’t crow at the tax compromise, for instance, even though they knew the left is correct: It wasn’t a compromise, it was a bow. To reality, but a bow nonetheless.

  159. gonzotx
    December 8th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
    … We are getting increasingly into a “Goddamn America” kind of mood.
    &&&&&&&

    The AA blogger who quit Daily KOS in disgust with the lefties shows that many (not all) AAs are reflexively protective of “their president”. Not based on the content of his character, but because of the color of his skin.

    They might say, “A white president wouldn’t get this kind of treatment.” Bullshit. Every president gets criticized. G. W. Bush was villified. Clinton endured much harsh criticism.

    Obama has been spared most of the criticism during his “grace period”; but after proving his ineptitude and hubris, the free pass is coming to an end.

    For the AA citizens, is there any criticism that can be levelled at Obama that is NOT considered racist????

    Don’t you know that the job of POTUS is widely regarded as the most prestigious, most demanding, and most open to analysis / criticism, in the world???

  160. I have never thought the term “Ugly American” was a fair one. There are “ugly” people in all countries who are loud, abnoxious, racist, whatever. Doesn’t mean we need to fingerpoint.

    I make the exception with Barack Hussein Obama. If ever there was an “ugly” anything, it is this fool on the hill.

    Paul McCartney – Fool On The Hill Live

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hlw_9ldThs

  161. The AA blogger who quit Daily KOS in disgust with the lefties shows that many (not all) AAs are reflexively protective of “their president”. Not based on the content of his character, but because of the color of his skin.
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    African Americans have done a great deal to make this country a success, from the military, to entertainment, to sports and to legitimate scholarship. But all that gets lost in the shuffle when the victim-ologists move in. Yes, slavery was an institution, and a bloody war was fought in this country to end it. They acknowledge that but then they go on to talk about the vestiges of slavery. Two civil rights acts and multiple executive orders were enacted to deal with that. Instead of reflecting on what has been accomplished these race baiters–like loveable Al Sharpton, and his guilt ridden white counterparts go on blaming America, revelling in this grievance and preventing young people from moving beyond it. These people are the real racists, and they are ugly. They go out of their way to attack african americans who try to point their people in a more hopeful direction. Watch what happens when Colonel West enters the black caucus and has to deal with scumbags like Jim Clyburn. If the country accedes to their views, then we will never move past these issues as a country.

    All the great things which African Americans have done to make this country a success get lost in the single meme of slavery and reparations. Through much of my life I have watched these race baiters with

  162. Secretary of State Clinton celebrates Human Rights Day

    9 December 2010

    WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday recalled international activists defending civil societies during this year’s Human Rights Day.

    Clinton recalled Eleanor Roosevelt’s words when she presented the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to the UN General Assembly, proclaiming that “we stand today at the threshold of a great event, both in the life of the United Nations and in the life of mankind.”

    On December 10, 1948, the world moved to recognize and protect the equal and inalienable rights of all people, inspiring individuals around the globe to claim the rights that are common heritage for Americans, Clinton stated.

    “I witness small and large acts of courage every day in every part of the world. Liu Xiaobo, this year’s Nobel Peace Prize winner, helped author Charter ’08 calling for peaceful political reform in China and lost his freedom for the cause,” the Secretary of State said. “On this Human Rights Day, I reiterate our call for his immediate release.”

    Clinton went on to make not of the group Damas de Blanco, which has faced harassment and intimidation while advocating for the release of political prisoners, focusing international attention on Cuba’s poor human rights record.

    She also spoke about Magodonga Mahlangu and her organization, Women of Zimbabwe Arise, which suffer arrests and abuse as they continue working to empower women to mobilize and take non-violent action against injustice.

    “Citizen heroes from all walks of life draw strength and hope from the promise that every country in the world has made in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,” Clinton added.

    The work of these activists to “reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person,” and their courage to persist is a testament to all that is good in the human spirit, she underlined.

    “Sixty-two years after Eleanor Roosevelt laid out those clear, inviolate principles, we again stand upon a threshold as the need to support and defend civil society has taken on renewed urgency.”

    “A vibrant civil society is an essential component of free nations, yet many governments continue to employ intimidation, questionable legal practices, restrictions, detention, and willful ignorance to silence the voices of those who defend human rights,” Clinton stated, adding that the U.S. is committed to promoting and defending civil society around the world.

    http://channel6newsonline.com/2010/12/secretary-of-state-clinton-celebrates-human-rights-day/

  163. Clinton’s Peace Process Push

    Rebecca N. White | December 10, 2010

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is putting all of her diplomatic skills to use trying to break the stalemate over the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. Yesterday the secretary met with Isaac Molho, Israel’s chief negotiator. Molho sat down with Clinton for an hour and also spoke with special envoy George Mitchell for three hours. State Department spokesman PJ Crowley was vague about what went on during the meeting. He said Clinton was “getting a perspective on the Israeli side of how to move forward” and that the two also touched on “substantive issues.”

    Today, Clinton will meet with the other side. The Palestinians’ chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad. Twice this week the secretary of state spoke on the phone with Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas to try to get the Palestinians to Washington. She is also scheduled to meet with Israel’s defense minister, Ehud Barak, today. The two-day push will be wrapped up this evening with Clinton’s speech at the Saban Center that is expected to touch on the administration’s ideas on how to move forward.

    Of course the peace process isn’t the only issue on Clinton’s plate. The secretary of state will head to Quebec on Monday for talks with the foreign ministers of Canada and Mexico. The meeting, according to Crowley, will be key to identifying the countries’ “trilateral priorities,” including in the areas of economics, regional security and climate change.

    Meanwhile, Joseph Yun, the deputy assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, visited recently released democratic leader Aung San Suu Kyi in Myanmar today. Suu Kyi was released from house arrest in mid-November after having been imprisoned by the country’s military rulers. The U.S. diplomat reportedly had a “very productive” meeting with Suu Kyi, and the two discussed economic sanctions imposed on the country among other issues.

    Yesterday, Attorney General Eric Holder announced at a news conference with Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano that the Justice Department is looking into cyberattacks allegedly launched by supporters of WikiLeaks against companies like Mastercard. The company blocked the whistleblower organization from using its network after WikiLeaks released cables at the end of November.

    And Secretary of Defense Robert Gates told reporters today that he is “not surprised” about the Senate’s vote on Thursday to block a bill that would have repealed the military’s don’t ask, don’t tell policy that prevents gay troops from serving openly in the military. The repeal was included as part of a larger defense spending bill.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/clintons-peace-process-push-4549

  164. War breaking out between Dems

    Schumer vs Obama….Obama aint listening…again.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46223.html

    But Obama, according to people briefed on the hourlong one-on-one meeting, was cool and noncommittal, especially when Schumer pitched his pet plan to extend the cuts to families making up to $1 million per year — a move designed to corner Republicans into defending millionaires and billionaires.

    The president was considerably more blunt when Schumer and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) made another trip to the White House a week later, suggesting he simply wasn’t interested in an extended battle with an uncertain result.

    Schumer was irked, according to people he’s spoken to subsequently, deeply disappointed and convinced Obama had missed a major opportunity. The White House, in turn, was incensed when it learned Schumer planned to push forward with votes — ultimately unsuccessful — on alternative Democratic proposals.

    “The bottom line is that he had a short-term partisan strategy for point scoring that would have been really costly in the long run and for which people would be properly angry,” said a top administration official. “He’s a smart guy. This wasn’t a smart or practical strategy.”

    Since then, the relationship between Schumer and Obama, arguably the Democratic Party’s two most influential message strategists, has become so strained both sides are working to patch things up for fear their differences could hinder Democrats in the face of a strengthened and determined GOP opposition.

    Publicly, Obama and his staff have played nice with Schumer and predicted that Democratic opposition to the controversial bipartisan tax cut deal will soon dissipate when leaders realize the president negotiated the best possible deal given his weak hand.

    “My sense is there are going to be discussions between both House and Senate leadership about all the final elements of the package,” Obama told NPR on Thursday. “Here’s what I’m confident about: that nobody — Democrat or Republican — wants to see people’s paychecks smaller on Jan. 1 because Congress didn’t act.”

    But privately, White House officials, who have long viewed Schumer as a talented but essentially self-promotional operator with no abiding loyalty to Obama, think he was pursuing an irresponsible partisan fight that would delay the tax cuts and the extension of unemployment benefits for months. And Obama himself warned Schumer that the millionaire strategy could sink the stock market.

  165. moononpluto
    December 10th, 2010 at 11:25 am
    War breaking out between Dems

    Schumer vs Obama….Obama aint listening…again.

    So Schumer, the Hillary shover at the convention, goes firmly under Obama’s bus.

  166. Revelation 17:1-2 tells us, “Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’” Revelation 17:5 goes on to say, “And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Who is this “whore of Babylon”?

    Why . . . Chuck Schumer of course, i.e. “But privately, White House officials, who have long viewed Schumer as a talented but essentially self-promotional operator with no abiding loyalty to Obama, think he was pursuing an irresponsible partisan fight that would delay the tax cuts and the extension of unemployment benefits for months. And Obama himself warned Schumer that the millionaire strategy could sink the stock market.”

  167. A history lesson from NotYourSweetie’s site in today’s DUdies:

    Reminding how Clinton handled identical situation ( as I hear “Obama is as bad as Clinton”)

    How Clinton handled Republican blackmail – he used it to destroy Gingrich
    This is exactly what happened when Gingrich and company tried to blackmail Clinton into all sorts of crazy shit, saying they’d shut down government if he didn’t give in. Clinton knew most Americans agreed with him, and he strode onto the TV and said “Those fuckers are trying to force me to do stuff that most Americans don’t want, and so they’re shutting down the government. I don’t want to shut down the government, but I’m not going to put up with blackmail.”

    The Republicans were in flames in days, and Gingrich eventually got the boot. From Wikipedia:

    The Republicans blamed Clinton for the shutdown, and Clinton blamed the Republicans. Public opinion favored the president; Clinton’s approval rating rose to the highest it had been since his election. The Republicans’ support was further diminished two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it “the mistake of his life”.

    DeLay writes in his book No Retreat, No Surrender:
    “He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One… Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same.”

    Gingrich’s complaint resulted in the perception that he was acting in a petty, egotistical manner, and Clinton defended the seating arrangement as a courtesy to Gingrich, the back of the plane being closer to his pickup car. Later, the polls suggested that the event badly damaged Gingrich politically.

    The shutdown also influenced the 1996 presidential election. Bob Dole, the Senate Majority Leader, was running for president in 1996. Because of his need to campaign, Dole wanted to solve the budget crisis in January 1996 despite the willingness of other Republicans to continue the shutdown unless their demands were met. It also has been cited as a role in Clinton’s successful re-election in 1996.
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/dudies-for-december-7-10/

  168. Deja vu:
    Michele Bachman now on Fox tv calling for a ‘simple up and down vote’ on the tax cuts. Why does that sound familar?

  169. awwww…I bet bambi needs a hug…

    White House mum on Obama, Clinton agenda on Friday

    Friday, December 10, 2010

    WASHINGTON — The White House is saying little about the agenda of the meeting Friday between President Barack Obama and one of the few people alive to have held his job, former President Bill Clinton.

    The two leaders will meet Friday afternoon in the Oval Office. No media access will be provided.

    Press secretary Robert Gibbs says Obama is reluctant to discuss details of his talks with Clinton, even with Obama’s own White House advisers. Gibbs says Obama wants to keep such presidential conversations “appropriately private.”

    The spokesman said only that the two men would discuss a range of domestic and foreign matters.

    Obama is having to adjust his tactics to deal with an ascendant Republican Party, just as Clinton had to do in the middle of his own first term.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121003243.html

  170. moon,

    Fox agrees with you…

    December 10, 2010

    Obama Honors Nobel Winner with Statement About Himself…

    the White House released a statement from President Obama on the awarding of the prize to Liu in absentia. And this is how Obama’s statement began:

    “One year ago, I was humbled to receive the Nobel Peace Prize — an award that speaks to our highest aspirations, and that has been claimed by giants of history and courageous advocates who have sacrificed for freedom and justice.”

    Critics have often said of Obama that “it’s all about him,” that he has a tendency to reference himself no matter what subject he is discussing. Could he do any more to prove them right? But just to show that he is, in fact, humble, the president followed his opening sentence with this:

    “Mr. Liu Xiaobo is far more deserving of this award than I was.”

    http://nation.foxnews.com/nobel-peace-prize/2010/12/10/obama-honors-nobel-winner-statement-about-himself

  171. “For the AA citizens, is there any criticism that can be levelled at Obama that is NOT considered racist????”

    Well, they’re also feeling defensive as all hell. They backed this jackass, and he was and is a radioactive catastrophe, for the black community as well as for everyone else. But they backed him. They bought the bullshit, and now that he is a disaster, they have to either admit that they chose him for the wrong reasons, or argue that his disastitude is all the white man’s fault. And the more obvious it becomes that they backed a darker-than-usual white man who couldn’t give a shit for the country or for the black community, the louder they scream to cover it up.

    They backed this bastard without looking at the fine print. They got the hoodwink, and the okie doke, and all the rest of that horseshit that Obama used to manipulate them by playing on their fears and the suffering they put up with. He took all of that stuff and spat on it, played it like it was a joke — he hurt them, and the realization that one of their own fucked them up the ass worse than anyone else ever could is too much to confront. Easier to say it’s whitey’s fault. When that woman said it’s whitey’s fault that Obama failed, what she was doing was blaming white people for her gullibility in believing him.

    The damage that man did to the black community and black self-identity by using it so cynically is going to percolate through the future for decades, possibly longer. He destroyed the black political community. He did more damage to it than any Republican ever could. He was the fireship. And they backed him, they bought him, they stabbed two of their most loyal and effective political allies in the back for him. That’s too much for them to admit. I have more sympathy for them than I have for the gentry whites who have considered black people a politically correct social accessory for decades … but even then, my sympathy is not endless.

  172. Janis–
    They backed this bastard without looking at the fine print. They got the hoodwink, and the okie doke, and all the rest of that horseshit that Obama used to manipulate them by playing on their fears and the suffering they put up with. He took all of that stuff and spat on it, played it like it was a joke — he hurt them, and the realization that one of their own fucked them up the ass worse than anyone else ever could is too much to confront. Easier to say it’s whitey’s fault. When that woman said it’s whitey’s fault that Obama failed, what she was doing was blaming white people for her gullibility in believing him.

    The damage that man did to the black community and black self-identity by using it so cynically is going to percolate through the future for decades, possibly longer. He destroyed the black political community. He did more damage to it than any Republican ever could. He was the fireship. And they backed him, they bought him, they stabbed two of their most loyal and effective political allies in the back for him. That’s too much for them to admit. I have more sympathy for them than I have for the gentry whites who have considered black people a politically correct social accessory for decades … but even then, my sympathy is not endless.

    —————
    I agree with you, and have been saying the same thing since the primary. Baracko is going to do more harm to the AA population than any other instance in recent history.

    They wanted so badly to have someone exceptional to be proud of, and many hoped he would tip the scales for them in society. We all knew he cheated and thug-ed in the primary so we were expecting his Chicago mob scams to come home to roost.

    The AA’s were are dreamy, and hopeful beyond imagination, the obots were all slapping themselves on the back for helping the half black guy with no experience or wisdom.

    As easily as they cast their votes on the pipe dream, their realization of being used as tools will cause them to react like their world has come apart at the seams.

    All Obots that are raging with their hair on fire will start to question the media if they are still protecting his image.

    Things will get much worse for Barry, most of the Kool-aid mainliners are still in denial and when they finally recover from rehab, all Hell will break lose.

    The stench of rotten tomatoes stuck to the White House fence will fill the air near Pennsylvania Ave.

  173. Confloyd
    I wonder what’s up with the Insider now too, since Nasty got her day job back and is now pist at Barry again over the tax gift to the mega rich.

    I want to see the Nixon cameras rolling in the Oval office, with MO, BO and Nasty having a real Fight Club moment on the rug.

  174. Shadowfax,
    I wish that insider would come up with some info. I did go to Cannonfire and he’s back up and saying he has a connection between Abramhoff and Obama. He is going to do a article on it soon. If he can make that distinction and the Lamestream Media would do their jobs….maybe Obama will be history….as in Nixon.

    I was reading a comment about LBJ and how Humphrey lost when he was DNC nominee, but we all know Robert Kennnedy would have won had he not been assasinated. I believe Hillary could win and beat the republicans in 2012′ if she would just run.

  175. ” … the obots were all slapping themselves on the back for helping the half black guy with no experience or wisdom.”

    I think the white Obots were slapping themselves on the back not for helping the black “man” (funny how it’s always “man,” isn’t it? They didn’t get this frothed up over Carole Moseley Braun or Shirley Chisolm, did they?) nearly so much as for scoring political points against their equally white country club friends. It’s just a competition between gentry white people a lot of times. They don’t actually CARE about black people, they just use them as bats to hit their gentry neighbors with. It’s like that old saying that when two men fight over a woman, it’s the fight they want, not the woman. Same thing here. When two gentry white progressives spar with one another over who’s less racist, they’ve got their eyes on one another, not on their unlucky black gamepiece. Black people HAD to know that. I’ve had that sort of token horseshit happen to me a lot as a woman, and I can sniff it out in a heartbeat. They’ve got to be just as savvy as picking it up.

    But they went with it because they knew deep down that someone who was actually BLACK would never have a chance, that this darker-than-usual white man was as good as they were going to get, so they might as well go with it. And it bit them on the ass, hard. Like I said, my sympathy does not extend to being called a n*gger-hater by some aggrieved black idiot, but I still have more sympathy for them than I have for the gentry white gated-community progressives who only voted for Barky because he was the kind of black guy they liked — the white kind.

    Preaching to the choir …

  176. Jesus, mary and Joseph, Sanders is still rambling on

    Aide says Sanders’ filibuster, now in its fifth hour, crashed the Senate server, more than 12,000 people

    He’s still going at it.

  177. Ironically, it is the Congressional Black Caucus that came out today against Obama’s tax plan. I don’t think this one woman is representative of the entire african american community. I wouldn’t expect them to come out with pitchforks, but whereas Bill Clinton made african americans a priority, Obama has done jack squat for them, and I would not be at all surprised if the numbers who show up at the polls are much lower than ’08.

  178. Drudge under fire. Not enough Clinton hate make his headlines?
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    Copyright troll Righthaven sues for control of Drudge Report domain

    News aggregation impresario Matt Drudge is being sued for copyright infringement for reproducing a copyrighted photo along with a link to a story about airport security on the Las Vegas Review-Journal website.

    The plaintiff in the case is Righthaven, a company that’s earned a reputation this year as a world-class copyright troll. Righthaven has sued nearly 200 parties this year alone. Righthaven has typically gone after those who post news excerpts of its partners, such as the Las Vegas Review-Journal, but pledged to be more discretionary after being handed a defeat in court by a judge who recently ruled that one of its targets had “fair use” to its work.

    Instead, Righthaven announced it had teamed up with the nation’s second-biggest news chain, owners of the Denver Post among others, and has now filed a lawsuit that arguably takes the mass-suer to a whole new level with its biggest target yet.

    In the new lawsuit, Righthaven asks a judge to “lock the Drudge Report Domain and transfer control of the Drudge Report Domain to Righthaven.”

    Why?

    According to the complaint filed yesterday in Nevada District Court, the Drudge Report website is alleged to have posted a photo first found in the Denver Post showing a TSA agent giving a pat-down at an airport.

    News aggregation impresario Matt Drudge is being sued for copyright infringement for reproducing a copyrighted photo along with a link to a story about airport security on the Las Vegas Review-Journal website.

    The plaintiff in the case is Righthaven, a company that’s earned a reputation this year as a world-class copyright troll. Righthaven has sued nearly 200 parties this year alone. Righthaven has typically gone after those who post news excerpts of its partners, such as the Las Vegas Review-Journal, but pledged to be more discretionary after being handed a defeat in court by a judge who recently ruled that one of its targets had “fair use” to its work.

    Instead, Righthaven announced it had teamed up with the nation’s second-biggest news chain, owners of the Denver Post among others, and has now filed a lawsuit that arguably takes the mass-suer to a whole new level with its biggest target yet.

    In the new lawsuit, Righthaven asks a judge to “lock the Drudge Report Domain and transfer control of the Drudge Report Domain to Righthaven.”

    Why?

    According to the complaint filed yesterday in Nevada District Court, the Drudge Report website is alleged to have posted a photo first found in the Denver Post showing a TSA agent giving a pat-down at an airport.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/copyright-troll-righthaven-sues-for-control-of-drudge-report-domain.ars

  179. Good for Sanders. This deal must die and we can’t expect the Obama-lovers to do it. John Kerry and Menedaez for instance are already in full support.

  180. BigCatLover
    December 10th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Exactly. He absolutely destroyed Gingrich. For all the fig leaf rhetoric, Clinton went after him like a prize fighter.

  181. White House mum on Obama, Clinton agenda on Friday

    WASHINGTON – The White House is saying little about the agenda of the meeting Friday between President Barack Obama and one of the few people alive to have held his job, former President Bill Clinton.

    The two leaders will meet Friday afternoon in the Oval Office. No media access will be provided.

    Press secretary Robert Gibbs says Obama is reluctant to discuss details of his talks with Clinton, even with Obama’s own White House advisers. Gibbs says Obama wants to keep such presidential conversations “appropriately private.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101210/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_clinton_2

    The fly on the wall reported that in the ongoing meeting, Barry broke down in tears, the Big Dawg tossed the Kleenex box to him, that accidentally beaned Barry on the head. While blowing his snotty nose, Barry said he was sorry for stealing the primary from Hillary and he was sick of his job in the Oval Office. He wants to quit and let Hillary have the job.

    When the fly was threatened by being caught in Barry’s hand, he abandoned the room but glancing back saw a twinkle in Bill’s eye and a tiny smile forming on the corner of his lips.

  182. mj, The black female commentor that spewed so much hate, could very well have been MO or her Mom…afterall Mrs. Robinson called into some show on the talk line defending Obama. I can’t remember what talk show this was though.

    Glad some dem’s have found their spines.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall at the WH with Obama and Bill talking, LOL!

  183. It looks like Israel has done the world a huge favor. It has infected Iran’s nulear site with a virus infecting it’s computers which is rendering it’s nuclear capabilities nil. (at least that is the gist of this article.)
    ___________________________

    Stuxnet Virus Driving Iranian Nuclear Program Right Into the Ground

    Iran’s nuclear program is still in chaos despite its leaders’ adamant claim that they have contained the computer worm that attacked their facilities, cybersecurity experts in the United States and Europe say.

    The American and European experts say their security websites, which deal with the computer worm known as Stuxnet, continue to be swamped with traffic from Tehran and other places in the Islamic Republic, an indication that the worm continues to infect the computers at Iran’s two nuclear sites.

    The Stuxnet worm, named after initials found in its code, is the most sophisticated cyberweapon ever created. Examination of the worm shows it was a cybermissile designed to penetrate advanced security systems. It was equipped with a warhead that targeted and took over the controls of the centrifuge systems at Iran’s uranium processing center in Natanz, and it had a second warhead that targeted the massive turbine at the nuclear reactor in Bashehr. Stuxnet was designed to take over the control systems and evade detection, and it apparently was very successful.

    Last week President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, after months of denials, admitted that the worm had penetrated Iran’s nuclear sites, but he said it was detected and controlled.

    The second part of that claim, experts say, doesn’t ring true. Eric Byres, a computer expert who has studied the worm, said his site was hit with a surge in traffic from Iran, meaning that efforts to get the two nuclear plants to function normally have failed.

    The web traffic, he says, shows Iran still hasn’t come to grips with the complexity of the malware that appears to be still infecting the systems at both Bashehr and Natanz. “The effort has been stunning,” Byres said.

    “Two years ago American users on my site outnumbered Iranians by 100 to 1. Today we are close to a majority of Iranian users.” He said that while there may be some individual computer owners from Iran looking for information about the virus, it was unlikely that they were responsible for the vast majority of the inquiries because the worm targeted only the two nuclear sites and did no damage to the thousands of other computers it infiltrated.

    Read the article in it’s entirety here:

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2010/12/stuxnet-virus-driving-iranian-nuclear.html

  184. “I would not be at all surprised if the numbers who show up at the polls are much lower than ‘08.”

    Same … but they will probably not come out at the polls even for stuff that’s good for their community. They have been just so damn demoralized. It’s fucking criminal what that big-eared bastard has done to the black community. They have put up with way too much to get snowed by that manipulative, egotistical shithead in the end. 🙁 Who’s still on his side in the black community, anyway? That jackass thug in the Halloween costume with the billy club — who the hell was he, Fuzzy Shamwow Something? The one who loves killing white babies more than properly raising black ones? That’s his core demographic now?

  185. “This could be the first time we see a senator drop dead on the senate floor, if Sanders keeps going.”

    Depending on which ones drops, that might not be a bad thing.

  186. reminiscent of James Stewart in one of my favorite scenes…

    Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939) – James Stewart

  187. If it is true that Stuxnet is successful in grounding the Iranian Nuclear sites, this is the way to stop the rogue regimes in acquiring nuclear weapons.

  188. JanH
    December 10th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    Mrs. Smith
    December 10th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    —————
    So sad…not.
    _____________________

    I posted that article for you, Jan.

    It is a brilliant strategy. If you read on- The Israelis realize air strikes and conventional warfare would create overwhelming collateral damage.

    Brilliant answer to the rouge dictatorship, just brilliant.

  189. This could be the first time we see a senator drop dead on the senate floor, if Sanders keeps going
    ********
    He has a long way to go to beat Strom Thurmond’s time of 24 hours 18 minutes.

  190. democrat1
    December 10th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    If it is true that Stuxnet is successful in grounding the Iranian Nuclear sites, this is the way to stop the rogue regimes in acquiring nuclear weapons.
    ____________________

    The virus infecting Iranian computers is highly sophisticated, capable of programming surgical strikes on targeted areas without harming other computers or damaging existential software for managing the nuclear site. Einstein would be proud. (As well as … Bill Gates.)

  191. Obama making a big mistake here, it looks like he has to use Clinton for everything, Obama cannot handle his own battles. It looks like a kid asking Daddy to get him out of jail……again.

  192. Thanks, Big Cat for posting the link- I’ve been out for most of the day. I ck’d moon’s link but Sanders had just yielded the floor.

    viewing now-

  193. moononpluto
    December 10th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    Obama making a big mistake here, it looks like he has to use Clinton for everything, Obama cannot handle his own battles. It looks like a kid asking Daddy to get him out of jail……again.
    _________________

    Also, think of it this way- If BO’s strategy fails- he will blame Bill for advising him.. double edge sword when you’re dealing with a rat.

  194. Anyone would think Bill Clinton was still President watching this.

    Obama just minces off. Seriously, he is an ass.

    Seriously Clinton makes him look like a little kid.

    BC is enjoying the hell out of his, its a schooling on “this is how its done, laddy”

  195. moononpluto
    December 10th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
    Obama making a big mistake here, it looks like he has to use Clinton for everything, Obama cannot handle his own battles. It looks like a kid asking Daddy to get him out of jail……again.
    _________________

    Also, think of it this way- If BO’s strategy fails- he will blame Bill for advising him.. double edge sword when you’re dealing with a rat.

    ………………………….

    He cant get away with that, its Obama’s and his alone, Bill is not the President now, and damn do we wish he still was.

  196. Quotes from the net

    “Rather than continue to stand on the sidelines and listen to the bill clinton show, the president leaves the briefing room”….in other words made to look inadequate.

    “Absolutely amazing….the current president handing over his podium to the former president” is Obama weak or what.

    “After this, Bill Clinton is going to go sit in the Oval Office, “just until Obama gets back.”

    “President Clinton comforts an anxious nation”….an adult in charge at last.

    “OK, am I in the past or is this an alternate reality where Clinton is in his fifth term” hahaha we so wish.

    …………………………….

    Obama looking weaker and weaker by the day.

  197. It’s obvious that this is Obama’s baby and Bill was brought in at the last moment to try to save his butt. No one will blame Bill although some may be upset that he did the press conference. He loves to talk about this stuff and he began very low keyed with no big gushing endorsement of BO’s handiwork.

  198. jim geraghty

    Watching Bill Clinton upstage Obama, you realize, “boy, he never did stop thinkin’ about tomorrow.”

  199. I am so happy to have taken a vacation day off today, and to see the Big Dawg take over and give a news conference and Barry left the stage.

    Oh I love the Big Dawg, what a President.

  200. #
    BigCatLover
    December 10th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Mrs. Smith
    Bernie Sanders is still filibustering on c-span2 while Bill shines on the economy on c-span.
    _____________________

    You’re right! I must have caught the wrong video.

    Bill answering Q&A off the top of his head gives Hillary more gravitas aside from the neophyte reading off a teleprompter or stumbling so badly over words, you want to hand him a crutch.

  201. I love that Bill stated right up front he is against wealthy folks like him getting a tax cut.

    Did I say, I love Bill Clinton!!!

    For a moment, I felt like the world was okay.
    Now back to reality…ugh. We are stuck with the Fraud.

    Bill also said said he didn’t want to make MO mad… 😆 😆

    Barry wants to think of himself as the President, but he looked like the fool standing next to Bill…

  202. CNN is going on and on about how long Bill Clinton talked and said that Obama may have been telling Bill to wrap it up when he left the room. Bunch of Obama spinners!

  203. God, now Gloria Bolger is saying Bill Clinton doesn’t know when to leave the stage on CNN. $%#**&& CNN, they are clueless. They don’t seem to know how weak this makes Obama look.

  204. BigCat

    Bunch of Obama spinners!

    Yea, I was thinking the same thing, but they sure have big smiles on their faces while talking about Bill.

    I had to jump off of Fox onto CNN for THE FREAKIN’ FIRST TIME SINCE 2008 BECAUSE FOX CUT OFF BILL’S CONFERENCE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT!!

  205. Sanders till filibustering in the Senate. What a glorious day. Gives you hope that govt can still function.

  206. Shadowfax
    Fox went right to Beck’s show at 5 pm with no post mortem of Bill’s press conference. Bill’s too good for them, I’m sure. Shut up CNN!

  207. Yes Big Cat, I knew the day was going to come for me when I would no longer just be able to listen to Fox…

    Today was that glorious day. 😉

  208. c-span is currently showing the debate in the British House of Commons over the university tuition increase, if you’re interested. The debate happened yesterday.

  209. Interestingly, Labour party is well represented in the House of Commons, but the Conservative side is pretty sparse.

  210. CNN is so unbelievably pathetic. If Obama was worried about Bill talking too much, why have both of them appear before the press at all?

  211. I wonder what Bill Clinton negotiated from Obama in return for doing the save the tax cut bill news conference. Hmmm, let me think about this.

  212. #
    BigCatLover
    December 10th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    c-span is currently showing the debate in the British House of Commons over the university tuition increase, if you’re interested. The debate happened yesterday.
    _______________________

    The focus of the news was the violence of student protest. It really was volent with good reason. UK tripling university tuition costs shutting out the middle class.

  213. Mrs. Smith
    Yes, I know. I listen to the Prime Minister’s questions every week and the Labour Party has been hammering David Cameron hard about these increases and other cuts. I guess Cameron lost some votes in his party when they voted on the tuition increase yesterday, but still had enough votes to pass it.

  214. Ooh, just caught this one from our favorite Kook:

    ” … they are treated to a clear double standard in Congress (Charlie Rangel humiliated for what the panel concluded were small mistakes and not designed to benefit him while DeLay is a felon and no one blinks … ”

    I wonder if she and Cole ever asked themselves why Rangel was being singled out.

    “It’s because he’s a BLACK MAN!”

    No dears. It’s because he was a black Hillary supporter. How many black Hillary supporters did she and Cole attack and undermine during the primary? How much did she hate them?

    Black pro-Hillary Charlie Rangel is being treated exactly the same as those two — I have zero doubt of this — treated the black pro-Hillary people they knew. He’s being thrown to the wolves. Two years ago, both of those idiots would have been cheering at the sight of Uncle Tom Rangel getting what was coming to him. Now, they’re outraged-by-Gawd over it and laying it at the feet of white racism. Can you stand it?

  215. Good one on Drudge.

    Photo of Bill giving the press conference, and the tail end of Barry leaving the stage, with this caption: President Obama Clinton

  216. Drudge is on a tear… “Righthaven” wanting to takeover his web domain…

    Must be an Obama troll beating up on Drudge..

    Good for US and Hillary.

  217. The presser brings to mind an old saying my grandfather had: “If you can’t hang with the Big Dawg(s), get off the porch.”

    I think we just saw BO get off the porch.

  218. OkieAtty
    Do you think BO has any idea how pathetic he looked or does he always think someone will prop him up when he needs it, then he can ride back in and take over?

  219. love it!! got an email from Bill today asking for $$ for Hillary’s campaign debt, he definitely deserves a couple of bucks for kicking O’s ass today.

  220. BigCat,

    I think BO thought he was looking presidential at first, but then saw what a real leader, a real speaker, a real man with a real brain could do without a teleprompter and realized he had lost control so he patted him on the back and used his body language to indicate he was in charge. Bad thing is Big Dawg ignored him, emasculated him and then went on to answer substantive questions without the need of spoonfed soundbytes.

    BO thinks of himself as an idea guy and everyone else is a minion to direct. Only thing is he is bereft of ideas. He never had an original one during the campaign. Edwards and Hilary always released their policy reports before him and then he’d get his advisers to co-opt it and the media to spin it as he did it first.

    What a fucking moron. Bush may have seemed big hat, no cattle to many of us during his eight years, but we were mistaken. BO is the one who with the big hat and no cattle.

  221. Anyone else think the reporters in the room got woodies today? It’s been so long since they could ask a real question and get a straight answer…..this is the verbal equivalent of Viagra for those guys. 😆

  222. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/10/obama_ditches_tax_cut_presser_after_bill_clinton_takes_control.html
    —————————
    The defining moment of his glorious presidency: How dare you question me? Fuck me? Fuck me?? Well fuck you!!! I won. I am the president. This is my presser. I can leave when I want. Bill Clinton is stealing my thunder. I will not stand for it. I am keeping my wife waiting. The Christmas party cannot start without us. You are in good hands–because I am president and I say you are in good hands. Color me gone. Vewwy vewwwy presidential. Four more years!!!

  223. OkieAtty
    I think the look on the reporters faces when they asked him questions said it all. The look was impressed and excited, I thought.

  224. CNN just slipped up and called Clinton president. Corrected to former…

    HA! Even they can’t keep it straight spinning for the POS-in-chief.

  225. This is unbelievable! Obama leaves a Press conference during one of the most important tax debates, and leaves a former President to finish answering his Questions?

    WTF?

    I’ve heard of Substitute Teachers, but Substitute Presidents? This is unreal!

    Obama just put the training wheels back on his Presidency infront of the whole world. He isn’t just an empty suit, he is completely empty.

    Who’s Next??? Jimmy Carter being President while Obama jets off on his all expenses paid Hawaiian Christmas Vacation?

    I am totally shocked by this. Just when you thought Obama couldn’t diminish the Presidency any further, he pulls this crap.

    I wish President Clinton would have spoke some truth about Obama while he was up there. What a class act he is by finishing Obama’s JOB FOR HIM.

  226. Woodies? More like Bon-a-parts Retreat. Coo coo ca cho Michelle Robinson, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you–woo woo woo . . .

  227. That BC presser was too bizarre! Vudeo is at RCP.

    Former President Bill Clinton gave a statement after his meeting with President Obama about his tax compromise with the Republicans.



    However, after his statement, Clinton began to call on and take questions from the press with Obama at his side. Obama leaves promptly after a few moments and said he had to see Michelle, as he was keeping her “waiting.”



    “I don’t want to make her mad, please go,” Clinton told Obama.

  228. Bill taking over the podium so the unpresident could party was an unforgettabe Kodak moment for Hillary.

    That little excerpt will be played over and over again when she runs. Obama deserting the People and the “Party”.

  229. “I don’t want to make her mad, please go,” Clinton told Obama.

    LOL…please go. Yes, Obama, please go.

    I wish BC hadn’t endorsed this POS though.

  230. Dylan Ratigan (never my fav but this is a good observation) on the BC presser.

    Here’s what I saw. I saw a current President who has never looked less interested in doing his job. I also saw a former President who never lost interest in doing that job. Obama’s demeanor and body language suggested that he’d rather be anywhere but where he was, and then he followed through and actually bolted for the door. Clinton’s demeanor was that of a passionate wonk trying to sell a policy he actually cared about, that he thought would be good for the country. It didn’t matter that it wasn’t even his own policy that he was selling.

    I saw a President who, for a few minutes a least, ceded his job to his predecessor. He’d failed to sell his own policy, so he needed and got some rescue from Clinton.

  231. The one thing that stands out is that he said was that Obama was more concerned about keeping his wife waiting and attending the party rather than taking a presser with BC on an important issue, Obama just pissed off to a party, seriously the man is one big joke.

  232. oh, boy what a fucking mistake it was bringing Bill Clinton there!! Thanks basil for the video.. Hope we get to see the full video. Did you see how BC started in that video — ‘whatever advice I gave him..’ And the way Obama left, ROFL!

  233. Now this is hilarious, what was that about full on black support.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia_elections_news/2010/12/09/black-county-commissioner-switches-parties-joins-gop/

    Updated: Two black Democrats bolt party for GOP

    Two African-American Democrats on Thursday announced that they were joining the Republican Party.

    Hall County Commissioner Ashley Bell and former state executive committee member Andre Walker said the Democratic Party had grown too liberal and they are finding a new home with the Republicans.

    The state GOP touted Bell as the first black elected official in modern times in Georgia to leave the Democrats for the GOP. But that distinction belongs to former state Sen. Roy Allen of Savannah, who joined the Republican Party in 1994.

    Bell was introduced as a Republican at a news conference Thursday at party headquarters.

    “My district is pretty Republican as it is,” Bell told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “My wife and I have been thinking about this for six months.”

    He said they are both conservative “and the Democratic Party has been our home. The party had conservatives and liberals both in the party. [But] this election showed us the liberal wing of the Democratic Party is very, very strong. If your’e a conservative, it became more difficult to be in the Democratic Party.”

  234. This presser was Couric’s top story. Called it historic, or something similar and gave it some good time. Now the nation has seen Obie quickly introduce BC, plus acknowledge the economic success during his terms, then the handover, followed a bit later by an interruption to explain that the iconic FLOTUS was being kept waiting, then his shameless departure. What a gd fool. Gibbs kept stating ‘last question’ and BC kept on taking them. Afterward, calls were made to congressional offices asking if BC had helped the cause. Funny, though, each office contacted replied that their guy had missed the presser because he/she was traveling.

  235. Think I might have the courage to watch PBS’s Washington Week with Gwen EyeFull tonight. I ceased that decade-long habit early in 2008.

  236. holdthemaccountable
    The first rule of lying is to get your stories straight. This day has been amazing. Bernie Sanders still filibustering – 9 hours and counting.

  237. “I don’t want to make her mad, please go,” Clinton told Obama.

    Translation: “You better go, I don’t want Michelle to rip my arms and legs out of their sockets and wear my face as a mask.”

  238. O.M.G!

    I just watched the first ten minutes of the entire presser that bigcatlover posted and I could not believe it!

    Squat relinquishes the podium after a scant minute or so, BC takes over, Squat interrupts (or tries to) around the 7 minute mark, BC waves him off and keeps talking and around the ten minute mark when BC is asked about the conversation between himself and Squat the disjointed one takes that opportunity to exit stage left.

    So for almost ten minutes Squat publicly yielded control to the former prez! I just wish someone could find a clip that shows Squat during that time. The camera is focused on BC (as it should be).

  239. Ohhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! :Stamping foot:

    And the arrogant obnoxious asinine way Squat saunters into the briefing room saying “Hello guys. It’s been a slow news day so I thought I’d bring the other guy in.”

    The friggin’ NERVE of him calling the former prez ‘just the other guy.’
    I. Can. Not. Tolerate. Two. More. Years. of this. IMBECILE!

  240. basil9
    CNN just showed a clip where you could see both Obama and BC. More when they come back from commercial.

  241. I walk in my house and the TV is on. My world just changed from black and white to a beautiful full and rich technicolor. Bill Clinton standing at the WH press room podium. I couldn’t believe my eyes, it was just….so….dreamy.

    Please, do not disturb!

  242. basil9
    the mini clip I saw had BO smiling benignly with his hands behind his back. He so obviously does not know how bad this looks to the country and the media.

  243. I wouldn’t put it past CNN to have looked high and low for a clip that showed Obama too, so Bill isn’t the only one on camera.

  244. Not what you mean, basil9, but drudge has a funny picture up: Clinton talking, and all you see of Obie is his back as he departs!

  245. Holdthem, I can’t stop loading No Quarter because they have that picture up. It’s so beautiful on so many levels. First level is that Bill just looks so awesome standing there while Barky oozes off. Second level is that Bill KNEW that’s how it would look and did it for that reason. That picture at the top is like Christmas, Hannukah, and New Year’s all rolled into ONE! *hair toss*

    Sorry. *clears throat*

    Seriously, that picture is sex, chocolate, and Steve Perry poured right down your throat with a kahlua chaser.

  246. Hillary’s work load just got heavier, Richard Holbrooke is in ICU he collapsed today they’re reporting a blood clot, which leads me to either stroke or PE.

  247. RCP has a slightly different take on Obie’s departure, but the damage is done 😉
    Video – Obama Ditches Tax Cut Presser After Bill Clinton Takes Control
    Former President Bill Clinton gave a statement after his meeting with President Obama about his tax compromise with the Republicans.


    However, after his statement, Clinton began to call on and take questions from the press with Obama at his side. Obama leaves promptly after a few moments and said he had to see Michelle, as he was keeping her “waiting.”


    “I don’t want to make her mad, please go,” Clinton told Obama.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/10/obama_ditches_tax_cut_presser_after_bill_clinton_takes_control.html

  248. I’ve been roaming the web and what is truly bizarre is why did Squat CALL for a press conference and then disappear ten minutes into it? Was this prearranged? Was BC pissed? There’s something really weird about this.

    Not that I don’t adore seeing BC back on the throne, even if it’s only for half an hour, but there’s gotta be something behind this.

    Any theories?

  249. Thanks holdthemaccountable and bigcat.

    It feels like something monumental just happened but I’m not sure what it is.

  250. Hillary’s work load just got heavier, Richard Holbrooke is in ICU he collapsed today they’re reporting a blood clot, which leads me to either stroke or PE.
    ——————————-
    Oh shit. He is a good man.

  251. I wonder if he didn’t call Bill C in thinking that it would make him look like he had Bill at his beck and call … and when Clinton starting being his James-T.-Kirk-I’m-Awesome-In-Your-Face self, Barky sensed the change in atmosphere in the room and just ditched in petulance.

    There are other explanations, and he may well have planned his retreat ahead of time (no clue why, though), but the “hey they like him well I’m leaving then!” scenario is a highly likely one.

  252. Yes, Basil, I have a theory. A deal was stuck between Bill and thatguywhopretendstobepresident today.

    Regarding stepping aside for a Hillary run. The Democratic party is imploding. NO one will rally around this boob.

  253. This presser was Couric’s top story. Called it historic, or something similar and gave it some good time. Now the nation has seen Obie quickly introduce BC, plus acknowledge the economic success during his terms, then the handover, followed a bit later by an interruption to explain that the iconic FLOTUS was being kept waiting, then his shameless departure. What a gd fool. Gibbs kept stating ‘last question’ and BC kept on taking them. Afterward, calls were made to congressional offices asking if BC had helped the cause. Funny, though, each office contacted replied that their guy had missed the presser because he/she was traveling.
    ——————
    Obama is a fine master of ceremonies. His forte is introducing people, and making grandiose statements.

    Perhaps what we are seeing here is the establishment of a regency.

    Bill’s private advice to Obama: whatever you do, do not take off the training wheels.

  254. Naah, don’t bother with Glee. Go to YouTube and search on “Journey Too Late” for a perfect song for this particular occasion. Heh heh heh …

  255. jtjames
    December 10th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    i’m thinking Mechelle kicked his ass anyway for leaving Bill in charge!
    —————————–
    Like Lou Groza used to kick 50 yard field goals for the old Cleveland Browns–right through the goal posts. If he is hitting the high c’s at the Christmas Party tonight every sentient being will know why. Not a good week. TGIF sayeth the Messiah.

  256. The Tax Compromise Must Die Now
    Erickson

    House Democrats have rejected the Senate’s negotiated tax compromise. In a rowdy meeting in which one Democratic Congressman said loudly “F— the President,” the House Democrats turned Nancy Reagan and just said no.

    Barney Frank still thinks it would pass, most likely with House Republicans.

    But the deal must now die. It must now be opposed by Republicans. Released now in print, the legislation is loaded up with budget busting pork of ridiculously absurd levels. The attachments to the compromise represent everything wrong with Washington. Many of them mirror the same porkulus spending in TARP.

    The GOP must now say no. GO TO THE REDSTATE ACTION CENTER RIGHT NOW and call your Senator.

    The legislation contains a huge amount of pork, some in the form of tax extenders that only the most coin-operated of conservatives can really defend. It even has ethanol subsidies. Put it to you this way — with the logic of those vocally calling for support of these earmarks, if the Democrats gave a tax credit for abortion, you’d have these same conservative groups defending them. No, that is not an exaggeration.

    The tax compromise already busted the budget with the unemployment extension. Ultimately, all the Republicans were getting anyway was keeping current income tax rates.

    They now need to walk away from the table. Call now.

    NOTE: Senator Mitch McConnell’s office is now doing a full court press saying that the tax breaks for particular companies are not “earmarks.” Friends, an earmark is not necessarily spending money, but is a line item put into legislation or a committee report without full congressional review typically from one member of Congress on behalf of a lobbyist or donor to benefit the lobbyist’s client or the donor. How the hell is a line item related to Starkist Tuna in American Samoa carved out just for them not an earmark for one of the major employers in Nancy Pelosi’s congressional district?

  257. Apparently, one tweet that came out of this was the following from Michael Goldfarb:

    Finally, America has a black President again.

    Yeeeeeeeeee-OOOOOWCH!!!!!!!!!!

  258. Great one, Janis…

    I was thinking of these lines from a Rolling Stones song…

    Hey, you, get off of my cloud
    Don’t hang around ’cause two’s a crowd on my cloud, baby

  259. jtjames
    December 10th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    ______________

    the graphics are from an episode of 24/Keiffer Sutherland.

  260. Bon Jovi’s new song is making a statement-

    Wonder how Bruce feels after the barf fest he put on
    at the Inauguration .. 😆

  261. Always great to see Prez Clinton . G-d bless Hillary and Bill who never stop working to help this country/world.

  262. CNN trying to say that Bill talked too much and outstayed his welcome?

    Well it sure seemed to me that the media was lapping it up and couldn’t wait to ask him more questions.

  263. Hillary Clinton signals failure of direct talks on Mideast peace

    By Glenn Kessler
    Washington Post Friday, December 10, 2010

    The Obama administration will continue to try to negotiate the outlines of an eventual peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians through indirect talks, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday evening, implicitly acknowledging that the direct talks launched with fanfare just three months ago had failed.

    The new plan essentially abandons several elements of the administration’s approach since it took office. Clinton made clear the United States still disapproves of Jewish settlement expansion in Palestinian areas but will no longer demand a freeze. The push for immediate direct talks between Israeli and Palestinian leaders – a central focus for months – is also largely gone.

    Instead, according to Clinton’s remarks prepared for delivery before a dinner sponsored by the Saban Forum, the administration will press the parties to agree on the elements of a peace deal, but without at first talking to each other. She also pledged the administration would privately offer its own proposals to resolve problems when the parties fall short.

    “We will work to narrow the gaps, asking tough questions and expecting substantive answers,” Clinton said to a crowd that included many veterans of past failed diplomatic efforts, including Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Israeli opposition leader Tzipi Livni and Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad. “And, in the context of our private conversations with the parties, we will offer our own ideas and bridging proposals when appropriate.”

    Clinton said that “by doing this, the parties can rebuild trust, demonstrate their seriousness, and hopefully find enough common ground on which to eventually relaunch direct negotiations and achieve a framework agreement.”

    Clinton’s lengthy speech repeated much familiar rhetoric, but did offer some clues to the administration’s emerging approach. In one pointed phrase, she said, “The Palestinian leaders must be able to show their people that the occupation will be over.” She called for agreement “on a single line drawn on a map that divides Israel from Palestine.”

    Clinton’s language seemed designed to rebut Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s insistence that his country should be able to maintain a residual presence in some Palestinian areas, such as the Jordan Valley.

    But on other issues, such as whether Palestinian refugees have any right to return to their homes in Israel, Clinton was extremely vague. She called it “a difficult and emotional issue, but there must be a just and permanent solution that meets the needs of both sides.” Israeli leaders have said no Palestinians should be able to return – they would offer possibly some compensation – while Palestinian officials have always held out the dream of eventual return.

    “They are doing what might have been wise much earlier – that is making indirect talks ‘substantive two-way conversations,’ about real things rather than just a fallback,” said Daniel Levy, a former Israeli peace negotiator now at the New America Foundation.

    Levy noted that Netanyahu had opposed this approach, saying that he would tip his hand only in direct talks. “I would argue back-to-back talks, if the U.S. throws its weight around a bit, are more likely to advance the ball than direct bilateral negotiations,” Levy added.

    President Obama has made achieving an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement a central focus of his administration, appointing a special envoy on his second day in office. Yet the effort has been fraught with difficulties from the start.

    The president immediately got into a highly public spat with Netanyahu over the continued expansion of Israeli settlements. Whereas recent administrations had largely paid lip service to objecting to settlements, Obama, Clinton and other senior officials demanded a full freeze. This in turn emboldened Palestinian officials to say they would not agree to direct talks until settlement-building had halted.

    Ultimately, Netanyahu agreed to a partial, 10-month settlement mortatorium, with administration officials hoping that it would be extended if the talks made progress. But the freeze – which Clinton had called “unpredented” – was not good enough for the Palestinians. They refused to agree to direct talks until the moratorium was nearly ended.

    Though the administration launched talks in September at the White House, they ended just weeks later when the freeze expired. The Palestinians refused to come to the table, and Netanyahu said he could not extend the freeze without toppling his government.

    In her speech, Clinton called settlements “an issue that must be dealt with by the parties along with the other final status issues.” She noted that “like every American administration for decades, we do not accept the legitimacy of continued settlement activity.” But clearly such opposition in the future would be muted and in private, and not the central focus, as in the last 23 months.

    Still, Clinton’s reframing of Washington’s effort suggested that Obama has not given up on his belief that solving the Israeli-Palestinian issues is in the U.S. national interest.

    “Continuing conflict also strengthens the hand of extremists and rejectionists across the region, while sapping the support of those open to coexistence and cooperation,” she said. “Radicalization of the region’s young people and growing support for violent ideologies undermine the stability and prosperity of the Middle East.”

    “I know that improvements in security and growing prosperity have convinced some that this conflict can be waited out or largely ignored,” she said. “This view is wrong and it is dangerous,” noting that long-term population trends endanger the vision of a “Jewish and democratic state” while the evolving “technology of war” means no Israeli family will be safe from militant rockets.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121006901.html

  264. Thank you Hillary…

    Clinton to tell Saban Forum: Palestinian appeal to UN unacceptable

    12.10.10

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected to tell the Saban Forum Friday that the US continues to be committed to a two-state solution and to spur the talks, but it is up to the sides to resolve tensions.

    Clinton is also expected to say that the only solution will come from direct talks, and that the Palestinians’ plan to appeal to the UN for a unilateral declaration of statehood is unacceptable.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3997315,00.html

  265. shenanigans
    December 10th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    I walk in my house and the TV is on. My world just changed from black and white to a beautiful full and rich technicolor. Bill Clinton standing at the WH press room podium. I couldn’t believe my eyes, it was just….so….dreamy.

    Please, do not disturb!
    ———–

    It was a moment of sunshine for me too.
    While it was going on, I felt like I was waking up from a nightmare.

    ………bummer, now it is back to the putz as Prez.

  266. Unfortunately JanH, Hillary made a deal with Israel which Obama would not put in writing. Obama has no credibility and has enabled Iran and it’s proxies (now including many S. American countries) to become evenmore emboldened. Iran will not only have nuclear weapons, they will have missiles aimed at US cities located in Venezuela.

  267. jbstonesfan,

    Yes. But I am still glad that Hillary is an honest broker here.

    Obama is an idiot when it comes to foreign relations.

  268. Obama showed tonight that he couldn’t think fast on his feet. He lost control of the situation and he didn’t even know it. All he had to do was say “Thank you, Bill. Thank you all.” and lead Bill off th epdoium. How difficult is that? Or, if he wanted Bill to do the presser and take credit for himself, he should have stayed on and led the Q/A in a creative way as a participant, even though answers were to be given by Bill.

    Anyway, Hillary is in town. He is going to get lucky tonight. Lucky bastard. 🙂

  269. ecoast

    Obama showed tonight that he couldn’t think fast on his feet. He lost control of the situation and he didn’t even know it. All he had to do was say “Thank you, Bill. Thank you all.” and lead Bill off th epdoium. How difficult is that? Or, if he wanted Bill to do the presser and take credit for himself, he should have stayed on and led the Q/A in a creative way as a participant, even though answers were to be given by Bill.

    ~~~> But Berry is so clueless he didn’t think that being the President, and being in real trouble with his own party and everyone else…that saying MO was waiting for him………hen pecked bastard……….and a party was his real business to attend. What an idiot!!!!!

    Anyway, Hillary is in town. He is going to get lucky tonight.

    Our little lady and her true love are both lucky to have each other.
    What a pair!!

  270. Janis
    December 10th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Apparently, one tweet that came out of this was the following from Michael Goldfarb:

    Finally, America has a black President again.

    Yeeeeeeeeee-OOOOOWCH!!!!!!!!!!

    =====================================

    Oh, Yeeeeee-HAHHHHHHHH!

  271. Wow, that Clinton presser was amazing.

    First, just the sight of a President who isn’t nauseating. After 10 years of George W. Obama, I felt like Edward G. Robinson in Soylent Green recalling the days when there was green grass and flowers on earth and the air didn’t stink like poison.

    Second, the dazzling global expertise. When I listen to Hillary and Bill, I learn things. Obama sounds like any hack pundit on bsnbc with his ‘talking points.’ And Bill has credibility as the only President in history who ever solved the deficit. It was a huge relief to hear Bill speak to the spending levels. That 30 minutes made me feel a lot better about our country’s future.

    After Clinton laid it out, the paparazzi started in with that Daily Krackhouse ‘angry left’ stuff and now it sounds childish — this is what they talk about when they don’t know what they are talking about.

  272. Here is a complete transcript

    The White House
    Office of the Press Secretary
    For Immediate Release
    December 10, 2010
    Remarks by President Obama and Former President Clinton
    James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
    Starts with Obama’s first words… goes to Clinton’s “Thank You” at end.
    Also the video is watchable and downloadable here too. (I think a different camera than the C-Span one linked above, but not sure.)

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/10/remarks-president-obama-and-former-president-clinton

  273. “After 10 years of George W. Obama, I felt like Edward G. Robinson in Soylent Green recalling the days when there was green grass and flowers on earth and the air didn’t stink like poison.”

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    *runs flailing my arms and screaming*

    You just made the skin on the back of my neck crinkle up with that image.

  274. Watching Clinton selling Obama’s tax plan now. When can you remember a sitting president relying on a past president to give a White House press conference to sell a domestic policy? Is Obama that incompetent? Why doesn’t he just let Bill run the country?

    NoQuarter

  275. (Hillary hater) Dick Morris: It’s not triangulation, it’s flight

    Given today’s blogospheric debate on “triangulation,” and whether President Obama is now practicing it, I figured I should ask the original strategist of triangulation, Dick Morris, for his view.

    Morris emails that in his view, Obama’s not triangulating:

    Clinton never embraced policies he opposed. He supported welfare reform, the balanced budget, anticrime measures like guaranteed sentences. His agreements with the GOP were all designed to achieve what he wanted as part of his agenda.

    Obama is embracing centrist positions he opposes (no tax hike on the wealthy) as a result of not being able to make his positions work in the Senate. There is a big difference between moving to the center and fleeing to the center.

  276. More political quotes on Billfest yesterday

    KevinMadden : Agreed. It was if Obama said “Here, you take the actual job of being president for today. I’m gonna go cut some ribbons.”

    “Maybe Clinton flashback presser was to make us forget about terrible Obama implosion presser.”

    “Chances Maureen Dowd doesn’t write on Obama/WJC presser? I think close to zero.”

    “what year is it? GOP retakes House. DADT controversy. Major DC museum pulls a controversial art piece. Clinton at WH podium.”

    “Can’t we have Obama as some waving figurehead and just leave Bill and Hillary running the country. I could sell that after this today”

  277. Best one today i saw was

    “So who is in charge, Pres Obama or Pres Clinton because it just looks like Obama no longer is in charge of the WH, the Party or the country”

  278. wbb’s comment above forced me to lookup regency (I have a lot to learn). Found this: the office, jurisdiction, or control of a regent or body of regents exercising the ruling power during the minority, absence, or disability of a sovereign.
    —————-
    PBS Washington Week EyeFull fully protected His Supreme Highness by explaining Clinton’s presence merely as ‘returning to his old stomping ground.’ Then showed video only of Clinton endorsing Obie’s tax plan.
    ABC clip this morning is similar amputation of situation; called presser the tag-team approach. Local TV station has a call-in line. I’ve suggested that its reporters view the cspan tape, then report on that.

  279. Really BAD visual! Other web sites are calling it “outsourcing the presidency.”

    Well i can think of no-one better to outsource it to, can Barry just leave for Chicago now.

  280. At first glance this seemed funny, even hilarious, but when you think about it, it is frightening. The President of the United States, upstaged by Bill Clinton, just took his ball and went home. What should we make of that? What if it were Putin, Ahmadinejad, or Kim Jong Il in the room?

  281. Here is a good read. Caveat: it omits Obie’s premature departure.

    Bill’s Back: Clinton commands stage at White House
    …The former president came before surprised reporters to let it be known that he endorsed the tax deal that Obama cut with the Republican Party, even though many Democrats were raising a fuss about it.
    That was the news. But it wasn’t the story…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2010/12/obamas-side-clinton-backs-tax-deal

    No doubt there is much more discussion to come. mop just above: ditto

  282. What should we make of that? What if it were Putin, Ahmadinejad, or Kim Jong Il in the room?
    ———————

    Didn’t that happen with Russia already? the first ever meeting obama had with them (he didn’t take Hillary with him). They were so surprised that they got everything they wanted..

  283. Nobody told him what to do, and he could not figure it out on his own. Nearly 3 years in, he’s still not ready. He’ll never be ready
    because admin and so many others here are correct. He is a puppet.

  284. That picture is pretty good on so many levels. Comments on Althouse is pretty damning for Obama (these guys are not particularly friendly toward BC). Remember this Jon Stewart interview with BC when he just says in awe ‘why don’t I hear this from them? I got car keys from them’, referring to Tim Caine’s visit the previous night where he gave Stewart car keys.

    http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/09/17/jon-stewarts-extended-interview-with-president-bill-clinton/

    If you read NYT, it says this was an unscripted moment. Obama thought he was smart to get BC to sell his plan but boy, he didn’t think about the optics.

    Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama turned up suddenly after meeting privately together for almost 90 minutes in the Oval Office. With no warning to Mr. Obama’s aides, the two men wandered through the nearly deserted West Wing — most staff members were at a holiday party — and tried to get into the briefing room but found the door locked. Only after they finally encountered Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, were arrangements made to turn on the lights and microphone and assemble the press corps.

  285. Nice comment on the Press conference by JOHN W Smart

    The President and that guy from Chicago.
    Posted on December 10, 2010 by JWS

    Obama, possibly the biggest asshole to ever occupy the White House, walked out of the President’s news conference today to “attend Christmas parties” Really, do the math on this stunt. Obama needs Clinton. Clinton was his only out. Clinton comes in, saves his tired, lazy ass…or tries to….Obama walks out.

    http://johnwsmart.wordpress.com/

  286. I’m recalling a deja vue moment. Happened soon after 9/11. BC was on a sidewalk near ground zero when a reporter happened upon him and began an interview. The fallout from that was Karen Hughes lambasting Bill for ‘making Bush look bad.’ Will not be amazed if Bill receives another comeuppance, be it public or private.
    If this happens, it will provide another equivalence of Obie to GWB.
    And sadly, it will be another reminder that intelligence in this country is not an admired quality. That’s one big reason our schools are producing such pitiful graduates. By my own observations over the years, it is the intelligent students, the do-gooders, who receive the most bullying. Fortunately bullying in school is currently receiving national attention.
    I’m of the opinion that the bullying of legitimate citizen voters by the elected elite and their media cohorts deserves similar national attention.

  287. Update:

    Julian Assange supporters plan protests worldwide

    The Guardian

    Detention of WikiLeaks founder is the focus of demonstrations today as speculation grows over legal move by US authorities

    Protests will be held around the world today against the detention of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

    Demonstrations are planned in the capitals of Spain, the Netherlands, Colombia, Argentina, Mexico and Peru to demand Assange’s release, the re-establishment of WikiLeaks domain name and the restoration of Visa and Mastercard credit services to allow supporters to donate money to the whistleblowing site.

    A statement on the Spanish-language website Free WikiLeaks said: “We seek the liberation of Julian Assange in United Kingdom territory.” The website called on protesters to gather at 6pm (17.00 GMT) in Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Seville and three other Spanish cities.

    It also calls for “the re-establishment of the WikiLeaks (wikileaks.org) internet domain,” and the restoration of Visa and MasterCard credit card services to enable the “freedom to move money” because no one has “proved Assange’s guilt”, nor charged WikiLeaks with any crime.

    Assange is in Wandsworth prison in south London after being refused bail on Tuesday. Sweden is seeking his extradition over allegations of sexual assault.

    His lawyers said yesterday they are preparing for a possible indictment by the US authorities.

    Jennifer Robinson said her team had heard from “several different US lawyers rumours that an indictment was on its way or had happened already, but we don’t know”.

    According to some reports, Washington is seeking to prosecute Assange under the 1917 act, which was used unsuccessfully to try to gag the New York Times when it published the Pentagon Papers in the 1970s. However, despite escalating rhetoric over the past fortnight, no charges have yet been lodged, and government sources say they are unaware any such move is being prepared.

    Robinson said Assange’s team did not believe the US had grounds to prosecute him but understood that Washington was “looking closely at other charges, such as computer charges, so we have one eye on it”.

    Earlier this week, the US attorney general, Eric Holder, said the US had been put at risk by the flood of confidential diplomatic documents released by WikiLeaks and he authorised a criminal investigation.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/11/protests-ag

  288. Admin: please embed this video. (funny)

    Is Obama sending us a subliminal message? JFK said: “we are [all] hostages to fate”. In this case, Obama got what he wished for, The Presidency.

    A message he has repeated over and over again until one wonders is this a cry for HELP? Obama feels overwhelmed. MO is not sympathetic to his stress and his new gray hair. Seeing the untold hours her husband is spending burning the midnight oil thinking his way out of the serious dilemma Americans have found themselves in.

    Is Obama projecting his own feelings with his new favorite word- HOSTAGE?

  289. I love this international view…

    Saturday, December 11, 2010

    Barack Obama is no Bill Clinton despite Clinton’s support

    The sight of Bill Clinton propping up Barack Obama in his hour of need ,as he did at their joint White House conference, is a striking one.

    Clinton is clearly gambling that Obama’s latest move to do a deal with Republicans will pay of in the long run, as his decision to work with Republicans paid off with his second term.

    But what ultimately delivered for Clinton was the over-reaching of his opponents, specifically Newt Gingrich who decided he could shut down the government and get away with it.

    Clinton won a famous victory and secured his place in history as a result.

    What Obama is doing now, however, is very different.

    He appears unable or afraid to take on Republicans at a key moment like Clinton did.

    He had the public on his side on the tax cuts extension with only 26 per cent supporting the Republican version but chose to concede.

    His capitulation also gives credence to the idea that Obama has no intention of standing behind any policy that Republicans can filibuster.

    Thus, Dream Act, Don’t Ask Don’t tell, tax cuts for wealthy all either get stymied or put on the long finger.

    The difference between Clinton and Obama is not that both choose to work with Republicans but that Clinton picked his moment to fight with them and defeat them.

    Obama has given no indication he has the same steel in his resolve.

    http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/people_and_politics/barackk-obama-is-no-bill-clinton-despite-clintons-support-111717694.html

  290. The truth is Obama’s spine is made of snow…..melts under the slightest bit of heat.

    He makes Richard Simmons look like a gladiator.

  291. JanH
    December 11th, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Stevie Wonder & Bill CLinton 2010 San Francisco
    ________________

    Yup, early gladhanding with AAs solidifying the Black vote for Hillary when she runs. Bill is his usual brilliant self networking the demographic he intends to call on when the time is right.

  292. …have not read everyone’s comments yet but looking forward to it later today

    just noticed this…

    huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/10/bill-clinton-popular-obama-ally_n_795247.html

    Bill Clinton’s Popularity

    WASHINGTON — A focus group of suburban Philadelphia voters convened Monday night by Democratic pollster Peter Hart praised former President Bill Clinton as a “paragon of greatness,” as Hart later described it. Friday afternoon, Clinton met with President Barack Obama and then spoke to reporters, offering his support for the tax deal Obama recently reached with Republican congressional leaders.

    Coincidence? Perhaps, but either way, the White House has good reason to tout Clinton’s high-profile advice given the popularity of the former president, evident in both Hart’s focus groups and in more rigorous national-media opinion polls.

    Consider the results from three relatively recent national surveys which show the former president enjoying much stronger personal ratings than the current one. As the chart below shows, Obama’s favorable ratings in recent months have been 9 to 15 points lower than Clinton’s on surveys conducted by AP, CNN and Gallup (data via Polling Report).

    see charts

    Bill Clinton’s ratings, as measured by Gallup and CNN/ORC, have also risen steadily since his final year in office, although they dipped significantly during the 2008 campaign between Obama and Hillary Clinton. Still, the former president’s favorable rating is now as high or higher than at any time over the past ten years.

    Focus groups are not “scientific,” representative samples of larger populations, but in this case, Hart’s group does provide a few clues to the basis of Bill Clinton’s rising popularity, a combination of nostalgia for the better economic times of the late 1990s and an appreciation of the former president’s communication skills and “common-man connection.” The two-hour discussion among a dozen voters from the Philadelphia suburbs was sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg Public Policy Center and made available to reporters via streaming video.

    About halfway through the discussion, Hart asked the participants for one-word assessments of various public figures. The words offered for Bill Clinton were “smart,” “savvy,” “intelligent,” “statesman” and “brilliant but flawed.” One participant responded by asking, “Can we have him back?”

    At that point, Hart asked the participants to stand up if they wanted to have Clinton back. Eight stood, including two Republicans. Here are four of their comments — the first and last are from Republicans:

    I think the country was running well when he was here and I think everybody liked him

    I think it was good times, I think he was a good compromiser. He could sway the people and he could sway the government and he got a lot of things done.

    Because I thought he was a great president. He did a lot for the country.

    I think he was probably one of the best presidents we ever had, and he was extremely efficient and even looking back now, I think, in the eyes of many people, he’s actually become more respected over time.

    Unlike the political commentariat in Washington, not a single participant offered the word “triangulation” in reference to Clinton, but several did praise his willingness to compromise. “He really understood how to get things accomplished in the time he was in,” said one, “so [his] idea would get passed in the compromise version that would work for that period of time.”

    Hart then pushed harder. Would they object to replacing Obama with Clinton? The group’s enthusiasm was sharply diminished. “I’d like to add Clinton,” said one of the women, to much apparent agreement.

    Notably, when Hart later asked the participants which U.S. president Obama reminded them of, not a single participant offered Clinton’s name. Why not?

    “He doesn’t have that common-man connection yet,” one of the women responded.

    “How many agree?” Hart asked. Six hands went up.

    As I wrote earlier in the week, there is always a risk in reading too much into a single focus group involving just a dozen people. But these comments help explain why nearly a third of Americans now rate former President Clinton favorably, and why the Obama administration wants to “add Clinton” as a high-profile supporter and informal advisor.

    one of the comments…

    Last Night watching President Bill CLINTON master the Podium made me feel PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN AGAIN! Bill Clinton makes feel like everything is going to be OK—-Why cant he run again? since it supposed to be no more than 2 consecutiv­e terms—-w­hich it wouldnt be…..

    *****************************************

    we all know it here, but the democratic party really set its path on self destruction when they pushed Hillary out of the race…to think of what she could have accomplished…and with Bill by her side for feedback…what a costly and sad missed opportunity at such at critical time for our country…

    Obama tried to have that above it all, snooty, sneer on his face standing next to Bill, but he looked like no more than an assistant to Bill when he walked away ” to go to a Christmas Party”…so what’s new…another party calling…leave Bill to do the work and clean up his mess…

  293. I am now convinced Obama is not going to run, no Potus in their right mind would give fodder like we saw yesterday to an opponent. He is no way, no how going to run! I just hope Hillary will!

  294. Another Hillary was right entry, this one by Jonah Goldberg

    …[Obama in Nevada debate said] a president’s core role shouldn’t be organizational but inspirational: “It involves having a vision for where the country needs to go . . . and then being able to mobilize and inspire the American people to get behind that agenda for change.” Pshaw, responded Hillary Clinton, the president is really a “chief executive officer” who must be “able to manage and run the bureaucracy.” … The debate played itself out by proxy in liberal magazines and in snippets of speeches and short outbursts on the stump, with most liberals siding with Obama over Clinton. Some even suggested she was a racist — or at least race-baiting — for daring to suggest that all he offered was the ability to give a good speech… [ present day Obama this week stated] the Democrats are being foolishly purist, as we saw Thursday when House Democrats voted to reject the tax compromise. But denouncing purists and accepting that significant swaths of America aren’t going to be persuaded by your rhetoric is an admission that the Obama vision of the presidency either doesn’t work or that Obama isn’t up to the job of making it work. Indeed, even on health-care reform, his signature accomplishment, Obama failed to mobilize and inspire the American people to his side. He got that passed with LBJ-like legislative skullduggery and sleight of hand, not “yes we can!” rhetoric. Meanwhile, yesterday’s co-presidential press conference was almost a “No I can’t moment.” Admitting you’re wrong is part of growing up, and growing up can be painful. At least it certainly looked painful watching it on TV. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/hillary_was_right_OGzLCPAu9MCxbqtz6xQW3J

  295. holdthemaccountable
    December 11th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Another Hillary was right entry, this one by Jonah Goldberg

    …[Obama in Nevada debate said] a president’s core role shouldn’t be organizational but inspirational: “It involves having a vision for where the country needs to go . . . and then being able to mobilize and inspire the American people to get behind that agenda for change.” Pshaw, responded Hillary Clinton, the president is really a “chief executive officer” who must be “able to manage and run the bureaucracy.” …

    ——————-
    I am looking for that video but youtube brings up a different Las Vegas debate. My mental picture on that question is that they were all sitting down and the moderator was Russert but that is not video I get in this search. help?

  296. Per State Dept, doctors completed surgery on Holbrooke “to repair a tear in his aorta. He is in critical condition.

    More serious than they let on then.

  297. Admi: great title: “Racist Bastards–Where’s The Party Unity Now?”. For a lazy journalist, or one who simply does not have the time to read what has become both a tome on this history of this campaign and a siren song warning of dangers ahead a simple review of the titles of you several hundred posts over the past three years tell the story in haec verba, and how whatever they may say now to exonerate themselves from the consequences of their ignorance, incompetence and yes treason, the gatekeepers whom Richard Coen falsely portrays as the servants of democracy, and the keepers of the truth, are not at all what they pretend to be, and whatever excuse or defense they may conjure up at this point, THEY WERE WARNED. I happened to pick up an excellent book by Judge Posener who is probably the greatest legal thinker of this generation, who sits as an appellate judge on the Seventh Circuit and who developed an entire legal school of thought based on his first book nearly forty years ago called An Exonomic Analysis of the Law. In mid 2009 he wrote a book analyzing our current malaise and insists on calling it what it is–a depression. And, I thought of you when he said Cassandras do not often get a fair hearing when the issue their warnings, and therein lies the tragedy of history which is synomomous with the name Barack Huessein Obama–the man that never was. A work of pure fiction, written by the likes of Bill Ayers and George Soros. Beck may be a loon on certain things, but when it comes to Soros–spooky dude as he calls him. he is spot on. And eventually, probably when it is too late, people will realize that as well. You insights are timely however, and over the course of the next two years, they are likely to gain traction.

  298. this is uncanny on iowahawk’s part, check the date, 11/2008:

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/11/obama-names-bill-clinton-to-president-post.html

    Obama Names Bill Clinton to Presidential Post

    WASHINGTON DC – Ending weeks of speculation and rumors, President-Elect Barack Obama today named Bill Clinton to join his incoming administration as President of the United States, where he will head the federal government’s executive branch.

    “I am pleased that Bill Clinton has agreed to come out of retirement to head up this crucial post in my administration,” said Obama. “He brings a lifetime of previous executive experience as Governor of Arkansas and President of the United States, and has worked closely with most of the members of my Cabinet.”

    Clinton said he was “excited and honored” by the appointment, and would work “day and night” to defeat all the key policy objectives proposed by Mr. Obama during the campaign.

  299. Eight people stood up to question “Do you want Bill Clintn back?” — out of a focus group of 12 !!!!!
    ————————-
    Enough to defeat an elite media filibuster.

  300. The difference between Clinton and Obama is not that both choose to work with Republicans but that Clinton picked his moment to fight with them and defeat them.
    ——————————-
    It is the difference between a fighter and a shadow boxer. He is so bad he had to turn his back and leave the press conference. That was a terrible visual–for anyone supporting him.

  301. “outsourcing the presidency.”
    —————————-
    Well put. Somebody has got to do the job. Right? Frankly, I was worried he would pick his little buddy in Venezuela, but fortunately, as well as unfortunately, Hugo already has a presidential job.

  302. moononpluto
    December 11th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
    Per State Dept, doctors completed surgery on Holbrooke “to repair a tear in his aorta. He is in critical condition.

    More serious than they let on then.
    ___________________

    Yes, that condition killed John Ritter.

  303. Ah, here’s the problem with electric cars:

    TATA has an electric car with an expected $10,000 price tag:

    200km range on a single charge. Affordable.

    They give their mpwhatever in kilometers.

  304. I get the feeling from political journo’s tweeting that Holbrooke is not going to make it, they are reverting to the whole “he has been joined by his family” line.

  305. OH MY! He is lucky to be alive…had he not been where he was, he probably wouldn’t have. I did not read the story, but he must of looked pretty pale for a few minutes before he collapsed. Wow, that always worries me, about high blood pressure.

  306. If this walk out was pre planned and intentional, then it is even worse. It lends credence to the narrative that Obama is aloof, detached and retreats when he is pressed. In essence, he is a coward. Also, it has him standing beside a competent president which draws the inevitable comparison which up til now he has fought against that Clinton was a successful president, comparison he cannot win. At one point he understood that when he claimed the difference between 1994 and now on health care is “you have got ME”, whereas now he yield the podium to the man who was president in 1994. Let us not mince words here. Obama and his butboys can claim this was an act of noblesse oblige and confidence all they wants, but the glaring truth is it was an act of political stupidity bordering on self immolation. And if he does not understand that now, much less in the moment, then on top of everything else he is an idiot. There is no counterargument he can make on that point that passes the red face test.

  307. Does anyone still have that link or story about the FDIC we covered about a week ago. I’ve been trying to find it.

  308. If he would abandon the podium in the middle of a critical press conference, is it too much to hope that he will walk away from the nomination in 2012? In that case, the party would be in trouble because Hillary has said she is not running. Perhaps they could run Dennis, and he could pick a Martian for vice president. If this is what happens, I rather suspect there will be pressure on Hillary to reconsider. That is a no lose position for her to be in. Is she said yes, she would have support, even from some members of his coalition. Is she said no who could blame her.

  309. A disappointed Democrat? You betI’m a natural party loyalist, but I’m beginning to think Obama has as much contempt for us as the Republicans do for him

    Clancy Sigal guardian.co.uk,
    Saturday 11 December 2010

    In every cry of every man,
    In every infant’s cry of fear,
    In every voice, in every ban,
    The mind-forged manacles I hear.

    – William Blake, Songs of Experience

    I never get invited to the good parties. George Soros, the former currency trader and angel of liberal causes, is currently throwing a private whingding called the “Democracy Alliance”, hoping to persuade his fellow hyper-billionaires to throw their money anywhere but at the failed presidency of Barack Obama. David Brock, described as a “media mogul”, is also raising a mountain of cash from wealthy Democratic donors to hit the airwaves, I guess to invent a sort of leftish Fox News, or a new and improved Air America (please heaven, no).

    Good luck, fellas.

    I wasn’t asked to the Soros and Brock affairs because the invitations read “rich only”, and I’m ashamed I failed to make the cut. In the new oligarchy that controls both parties, we loyal peons – Obama’s so-called base – are unpersons, like movie zombies, except when, every two or four years, they summon us – again, like zombies – to man phone banks and knock on doors, which I did for Obama in 2008.

    Money roars its commands and we obey. In 2008, total election spending reached more than $5bn. By 2012, it will probably hit $7-10bn, if not more – enough to pay the annual salaries of 250,000 teachers.

    Alas, I won’t get a penny of it. The real-life “Don Drapers”, ad merchants and consultants and advisers, will.

    My brain knows this. But in the blood-stirring heat of elections, my gut contradicts what I know to be true, that the Democratic party, especially at the top, is a terminally corrupt institution and has outlived its time. In the recent midterms, I walked into my local polling booth and robotically punched holes marked Democratic party down the line, even for candidates I knew nothing about, like judges and county assessors, as long as they had “Dem” next to their names.

    What possessed me? In the privacy of the voting booth, suddenly I was taken over by liberal vampires hissing, “Be afraid … be very afraid … John Boehner and Sarah Palin will get you, ha ha ha.” Ka-chung, ka-chung went my voting hand, detached from my intellect.

    As a New Deal baby, I was a “yellow dog Democrat”, supporting anyone who was not a Republican. “Yellow dog” is a tradition that goes back almost to the civil war when diehard southerners screamed they’d rather vote for a “yaller dog” than Lincoln’s anti-slavery Republicans. On occasions when I voted “third party” – Prohibition, Libertarian, Nader, Socialist Labor, Vegetarian – it took strong willpower to jerk my hand back from punching the Democratic line.

    Historically, Democrats have a better heart than Republicans, we all know that. Against all evidence, we feel the party is on our side. Sometimes, it is. Example: last month Joe Biden’s wife, a teacher, persuaded her husband to pressure Obama to put up $2bn for community colleges. The effort was disorganised and lacked commitment … a “small” thing … but thank heaven for it.

    But it’s those other small things, or an accumulation of them, that brings me to my senses. It began with Obama’s speeches, which, even during the euphoric 2008 campaign, struck me as canned blah. One forgives platform rhetoric. But the man seemed incapable of talking plainly and to the point. Circumlocution and hesitation – “thoughtfulness”, it was called – was his style. Hmmm. Then, on his assuming the presidency, came the serially broken promises.

    Yet, often it’s the small stuff that sticks in the mind – the PR “optics”, a jargon word for how a situation looks to the public eye. They’re so revealing, like George Bush in Air Force One floating over the drowning residents in Katrina-struck New Orleans, as if he hadn’t a care in the world. And Obama’s optics? How about those absurd photo-ops of him kneeling to sternly inspect oil goo on a Louisiana beach after the BP disaster? Calculated to show his concern, they only revealed a George Bush-like detachment, perhaps to cover up the lies he and his administration told about the disaster’s true impact. Or his preaching at Americans to please, please go and be tourists in the oil-spoiled southern states – when he and his family promptly chose to holiday at clean Martha’s Vineyard. Or Michelle’s “Marie Antoinette” luxury visit to Spain and her campaign to exhort Americans to lose weight, while a record number (one in eight, or over 40 million) are on food stamps.

    Obama’s “failure to communicate” communicates all too starkly where his, and his party’s, priorities are. Which are, to keep the losing war going (now, at least, till 2014), while ferociously hunting down whistleblowers like WikiLeaks. So much for transparency.

    Obama’s tone deafness is less a character flaw than a seriously thought-out policy decision – to be blunt – to screw us. Our president is “out of touch” because he is so in touch with his economic captors, the Three Stooges for Wall Street, Geithner, Summers and Bernanke, who helped create our economic mess, and to his madly optimistic generals.

    “But what’s the alternative? Where shall we go?” ask my anguished liberal friends, their mind-forged manacles still welded to a Democratic party in its sunset days. We continue to deny the obvious, that we do not count. Rahm Emanuel was clearly speaking for the president when he called us liberal activists “fucking retards”. Obama has as much contempt for us as the Republicans do for him.

    Where shall we turn? Not to another party (yet), or a Man or Woman on a White Horse alternative candidate (yet). But maybe, let’s turn a glance at our own American history with a renewed respect for those marvelous losers, Teddy Roosevelt, Gene Debs, William Jennings Bryan and Upton Sinclair, whose failed campaigns lay long-term groundwork for progressive victories. But let’s start with William Blake’s poetry.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/10/barack-obama-us-politics

  310. What I said long ago was that Obama would be a puppet pulled by too many strings in too many different directions.

    Boy,was I over-optomistic.

  311. confloyd
    December 11th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Does anyone still have that link or story about the FDIC we covered about a week ago. I’ve been trying to find it.
    ================================
    This?
    h t t p : // dailybail.com/home/william-black-calls-on-fdic-to-seize-bank-of-america.html

    (This my 2nd try. 1st one just seemed to disappear when I clicked submit.)

  312. The President of the United States, upstaged by Bill Clinton, just took his ball and went home. What should we make of that? What if it were Putin, Ahmadinejad, or Kim Jong Il in the room?

    =================

    They’d have been upstaged by Bill, too.

  313. confloyd, that Wm Black link was posted in the following comment, if it helps…

    w w w . hillaryis44.org/2010/12/01/hillary-clinton-resign-cyber-war-against-hillary-clinton/#comment-316362

  314. Confloyd, 2010/12/01/hillary-clinton-resign-cyber-war-against-hillary-clinton/#comment-316362
    put the 44.org slash before that and go to the comment which had the Wm Black link.

  315. On occasions when I voted “third party” – Prohibition, Libertarian, Nader,

    ================

    Great results from that, Columnist Clancy. I bet you voted against Hillary in the Dem primary in 2008, too.

    Throw out the human wonks, get an olympian fake instead.

  316. ohanson,
    That link doesn’t work, it says misspelled. I am looking for the link that says that there will be no more FDIC. Someone wants to stop having the govt. insure the money in the banks.

  317. The difference between Clinton and Obama is not that both choose to work with Republicans but that Clinton picked his moment to fight with them and defeat them.

    ================

    Clinton is a smart man (or listened to Hillary) and came up with solutions that WORKED. They ‘fixed the GOP’s problems using the Dem tools’ (ie HELPING poor people with education etc, so they could get off welfare).

  318. At this point, it is hard to know what wonderful things Barack will accomplish in his second term in the White House– or more likley Joliette.

  319. Great results from that, Columnist Clancy. I bet you voted against Hillary in the Dem primary in 2008, too.

    Throw out the human wonks, get an olympian fake instead.

    ————————-
    No doubt about him. The tell is the bullshit, and the refusal to acknowledge Hillary as the mutually prominent alternative to Messiah Obama. If he was a tory, or republican, he would mention her for sure.

  320. Clinton is a smart man
    —————————-
    Smartest man in history, since we now know he can get Barack to AGREE to turn the podium over to him in the middle of a critical press conference, walk off the stage, mutter something about not keeping his wife waiting, and show his back to audience. Oh Barack, Barack, Barack that was a command performance.

  321. Our next successful leader will have to have answers for the problem described below.

    19 Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Will Blow Your Mind:

    The United States is rapidly becoming the very first “post-industrial”
    nation on the globe. All great economic empires eventually become fat and
    lazy and squander the great wealth that their forefathers have left them,
    but the pace at which America is accomplishing this is absolutely amazing.
    It was America that was at the forefront of the industrial revolution. It
    was America that showed the world how to mass produce everything from
    automobiles to televisions to airplanes. It was the great American
    manufacturing base that crushed Germany and Japan in World War II.

    But now we are witnessing the deindustrialization of America . Tens of
    thousands of factories have left the United States in the past decade
    alone. Millions upon millions of manufacturing jobs have been lost in the
    same time period. The United States has become a nation that consumes
    everything in sight and yet produces increasingly little. Do you know what
    our biggest export is today? Waste paper. Yes, trash is the number one
    thing that we ship out to the rest of the world as we voraciously blow our
    money on whatever the rest of the world wants to sell to us. The United
    States has become bloated and spoiled and our economy is now just a shadow
    of what it once was. Once upon a time America could literally out produce
    the rest of the world combined. Today that is no longer true, but
    Americans sure do consume more than anyone else in the world. If the
    deindustrialization of America continues at this current pace, what possible
    kind of a future are we going to be leaving to our children?

    Any great nation throughout history has been great at making things. So if
    the United States continues to allow its manufacturing base to erode at a
    staggering pace how in the world can the U.S. continue to consider itself to
    be a great nation? We have created the biggest debt bubble in the history
    of the world in an effort to maintain a very high standard of living, but
    the current state of affairs is not anywhere close to sustainable. Every
    single month America goes into more debt and every single month America
    gets poorer.

    So what happens when the debt bubble pops?

    The following 19 facts of the deindustrialization America are shocking….

    #1 The United States has lost approximately 42,400 factories since 2001.
    About 75 percent of those factories employed over 500 people when they were
    still in operation.

    #2 Dell Inc., one of America ‘s largest manufacturers of computers, has
    announced plans to dramatically expand its operations in China with an
    investment of over $100 billion over the next decade.

    #3 Dell has announced that it will be closing its last large U.S.
    manufacturing facility in Winston-Salem , North Carolina in November.
    Approximately 900 jobs will be lost.

    #4 In 2008, 1.2 billion cell phones were sold worldwide. So how many of
    them were manufactured inside the United States ? Zero.

    #5 According to a new study conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, if
    the U.S. trade deficit with China continues to increase at its current rate,
    the U.S. economy will lose over half a million jobs this year alone.

    #6 As of the end of July, the U.S. trade deficit with China had risen 18
    percent compared to the same time period a year ago.

    #7 The United States has lost a total of about 5.5 million manufacturing
    jobs since October 2000.

    #8 According to Tax Notes, between 1999 and 2008 employment at the foreign
    affiliates of U.S. parent companies increased an astounding 30 percent to
    10.1 million. During that exact same time period, U.S. employment at
    American multinational corporations declined 8 percent to 21.1 million.

    #9 In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of U.S. economic output.
    In 2008, it represented 11.5 percent.

    #10 Ford Motor Company recently announced the closure of a factory that
    produces the Ford Ranger in St. Paul , Minnesota . Approximately 750 good
    paying middle class jobs are going to be lost because making Ford Rangers in
    Minnesota does not fit in with Ford’s new “global” manufacturing strategy.

    #11 As of the end of 2009, less than 12 million Americans worked in
    manufacturing. The last time less than 12 million Americans were employed
    in manufacturing was in 1941.

    #12 In the United States today, consumption accounts for 70 percent of GDP.
    Of this 70 percent, over half is spent on services.

    #13 The United States has lost a whopping 32 percent of its manufacturing
    jobs since the year 2000.

    #14 In 2001, the United States ranked fourth in the world in per capita
    broadband Internet use. Today it ranks 15th.

    #15 Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is actually lower
    in 2010 than it was in 1975.

    #16 Printed circuit boards are used in tens of thousands of different
    products. Asia now produces 84 percent of them worldwide.

    #17 The United States spends approximately $3.90 on Chinese goods for every
    $1 that the Chinese spend on goods from the United States .

    #18 One prominent economist is projecting that the Chinese economy will be
    three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.

    #19 The U.S. Census Bureau says that 43.6 million Americans are now living
    in poverty and according to them that is the highest number of poor
    Americans in the 51 years that records have been kept.

    How many tens of thousands more factories do we need to lose before we do
    something about it? How many millions more Americans are going to become
    unemployed before we admit we have a very, very serious problem on our hands?

    How many more trillions of dollars are going to leave the country before we
    realize that we are losing wealth at a pace that is killing our economy?

    How many once great manufacturing cities are going to become rotting war
    zones like Detroit before we understand that we are committing national
    economic suicide?

    The deindustrialization of America is a national crisis and should be a
    top concern for every man, woman and child in the country. But sadly,
    most Americans do not have any idea what is going on around them or care.

    America is in deep, deep trouble. It is time to wake up.

  322. confloyd
    December 11th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    confloyd- that was Bank of America dropping their insured deposit insurance by the FDIC.

  323. #
    confloyd
    December 11th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    ohanson,
    That link doesn’t work, it says misspelled. I am looking for the link that says that there will be no more FDIC. Someone wants to stop having the govt. insure the money in the banks.
    ==================================

    Confloyd, below, I have copied and pasted what I hope is the comment and link you are looking for.

    —–

    pm317
    November 29th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
    Confloyd, this is for you (didn’t understand your comment on the last thread):
    http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/changes.html

  324. JanH-

    If not for that little blurb I posted to you yesterday about the Mossad neutralizing Iran’s nuclear power plant for making WMDs via the Stuxnet worm; we’d still be holding our breath.

    Not a peep mentioned on US news about this development.

  325. The more I think about it, the more I think it wasn’t planned — not Barky’s departure, anyway. Look at how he was smirking at first.

    He thought that it would make it look as if Bill Clinton were at his beck and call. He thought that he could play this one his own way, and it would make it look as if HE were the one in charge and Clinton was his lackey.

    The problem is that putting Bill Clinton in a room full of reporters and a podium is like putting Wayne Gretzky in uniform and handing him a stick and a puck. He can’t FAIL to transform himself into (as I said above) James T. Kirk and be just the most goddamned awesome guy in the room.

    So Barky thought this would make HIM look like he was snapping his fingers and Clinton was doing his bidding … but when Clinton took the podium, and the entire atmosphere in the room shifted, Barky just stomped off in a huff. Clinton could hardly insist he stay — that would have looked worse. So he stayed there and answered the questions instead of leaving the podium empty. Barky’s petulance was not Clinton’s doing.

    I honestly suspect that this was how it played out. Barky thought, “I got this one in the bag,” and that morphed into, “Hey! Wait a minute, they LIKE him! Well, I’m leaving then!” and Clinton just picked up the ball that was dropped and ran with it. He could hardly do otherwise. I suspect a phone call to Hillary afterwards when he said, “Honey, I am not making this up … he left the room.

    “He had to leave?”

    “No, he just left. Seriously, I am not kidding.”

    “He just LEFT?!

    “In a huff! Seriously!”

  326. Here is te signifcance of Banks dropping their FDIC insurance for insured deposits up to $250,000, as Chase and Citi Bank already have:

    “The Real Problem

    By dropping out of the program, the bank are now less subject to regulations on how they can invest their money. The banks can invest in the depositor’s funds in any kind of company, secure or not, or any kind of security, secure or not.

    Deregulation of how the banks could “invest” is what took down the Savings and Loan industry in the early 1990′s, according to Wikipedia. Savings and Loans gained a wide range of new investment powers with the passage of the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act and the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act.

    A number of states also passed legislation that similarly increased investment options. These introduced new risks and speculative opportunities which were difficult to administer. In many instances management lacked the ability or experience to evaluate them, or to administer large volumes of nonresidential construction loans.”

    http://www.creditinfocenter.com/wordpress/2010/01/05/bank-dropping-out-of-fdic-programs-more-significant-than-you-realize-2/

  327. pm17 @ 12:05
    ————–
    I expect you also have checked the link where Goldberg’s text refers to Nevada, but debate pictured with the article is identified as Candidates Clinton and Obama debating in Cleveland, Feb. 26, 2008.
    Sorry I did not catch the contradiction.

  328. Janis
    December 11th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    —————————–
    I agree with you. It looked spontaneous to me as well. If you are the president, you may turn the podium over to an ex president, but you do not walk out of the room. You stay in the room, and when he is done speaking, you reclaim the podium. He did the opposite. Knowing his petulant nature I agree it was not pre-planned.

  329. It’s possible that Bill Clinton told Obama ‘Okay I’ll make a public statement supporting the tax cut measure to the WH reporters, but you have to be in the press briefing room with me’, knowing he would be criticized if he appeared by himself. Once Obama had made his appearance, Bill felt right at home.

  330. Don’t you all read the comments, 😉 It was unplanned. NYT says so, from my comment up thread:

    If you read NYT, it says this was an unscripted moment. Obama thought he was smart to get BC to sell his plan but boy, he didn’t think about the optics.

    Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama turned up suddenly after meeting privately together for almost 90 minutes in the Oval Office. With no warning to Mr. Obama’s aides, the two men wandered through the nearly deserted West Wing — most staff members were at a holiday party — and tried to get into the briefing room but found the door locked. Only after they finally encountered Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, were arrangements made to turn on the lights and microphone and assemble the press corps.

  331. JanH
    December 10th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
    CNN trying to say that Bill talked too much and outstayed his welcome?

    Well it sure seemed to me that the media was lapping it up and couldn’t wait to ask him more questions.
    ***************
    rat bastards.

    ********

    Carol,

    The great corporatist industrialists left America, the American people did not leave. Unless we the people make it uncomfortable for them to ship their jobs to low paying countries it will not stop. If they want to make their products outside the country and then ship them back for consumption, we need to tax the hell out of them till it becomes more profitable to make them here.

    I don’t need 30 pairs of shoes and I would be willing to turn back the clock on the insane material consumerism of this country.

  332. gonzotx
    December 11th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    The next president is going to have to address the issue….if the unemployed are to find jobs. The other issue is our poor educational system relative to other industrialzed nations. The country that develops the technology….planes, cars, phones etc. will own the world. That is what made the US great.

  333. If you read NYT, it says this was an unscripted moment. Obama thought he was smart to get BC to sell his plan but boy, he didn’t think about the optics.

    Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama turned up suddenly after meeting privately together for almost 90 minutes in the Oval Office. With no warning to Mr. Obama’s aides, the two men wandered through the nearly deserted West Wing — most staff members were at a holiday party — and tried to get into the briefing room but found the door locked. Only after they finally encountered Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, were arrangements made to turn on the lights and microphone and assemble the press corps.
    —————————-
    This proves the press conference was unplanned–at least by his staff, who were busy imbibing at Christmas Parties. It does not prove, however, that the little maneuver which is the subject of controversy, namely Obama’s exit stage left with back turned to the audience was likewise unplanned. I think it was unplanned, but that is merely an inference. I infer that he did it because he is petulant and cannot stand to be upstaged by Bill–which is exactly what happened when he surrendered the podium. Others however could infer that he is stupid enough to have agreed with Bill to do it that way, when he and Bill met in the Oval Office, prior thereto. They might argue that left to his own devices, Obama is a dummy, and there is no indication that Axelrod present when the planning occurred to advise him how stupid this would be. In that case, he would have told Obama that turning your back to your audience is generally perceived as an insult. On the other hand, he might have assumed that inasmuch as Obama is a citizen of the world, who thrilled half a million Germans in a Colosseum and 80 thousand Oregonians on the Banks of the Willamette would know that. If he was determined to leave then would also have advised him to keep his face to the audience and moon walked backwards, waving at everyone as he left. Whoever is right this much is certain: The messiah is slipping.

  334. It does not prove, however, that the little maneuver which is the subject of controversy, namely Obama’s exit stage left with back turned to the audience was likewise unplanned.
    ————-

    Oh, yeah. My theory is that Obama thought that BC would just make a short comment and take one or two questions (which actually Obama says in the beginning as he enters the room). Then listening to BC give that extemporaneous statement and perhaps looking at the press’ reaction, he thought he should just leave because he realized by that time, it was out of his hands, he had lost control. Just visualize what would have happened if he had stayed, he standing there quietly while BC answered the questions pulling numbers and stats out of thin air. BC knew this and gave us that memorable line — ‘I don’t want her to get mad, please go!’ Come on.. this charlatan cheated, stole, lied to deny the nomination of his wife’s. You think BC would be kind to this guy? I am glad he is not. Did you hear him say ‘I flew overnight for this meeting’, LOL..

  335. Clear eyed analysis of a Trotsky-ite:

    What lies behind the liberals’ lamentations over Obama?
    By Barry Grey
    11 December 2010

    “President Barack Obama’s groveling before the Republicans and his lurch to the right, highlighted by his deal to extend tax cuts for the rich, have evoked a new outpouring of hand-wringing commentary by his supporters on the liberal left.

    Reading the various articles, one does not know which is more repugnant, their stupidity or their cynicism.

    The general theme of these commentaries—amidst the pleading, scolding and whelps of despair—is that Obama must reclaim his “core values” and start fighting the Republican right. It is summed up by Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, who writes: “At this point, the strategy is to shame [Obama] into fighting.”
    (snip)
    Vanden Heuvel objects to Obama’s leaning toward the notion that “we should impose austerity now, instead of working to get the economy going.
    (snip)
    Absurdly inflating Obama’s stature, she declares: “This president has a historic mandate. Just as Abraham Lincoln had to lead the nation from slavery and Franklin Roosevelt from the Depression, this president must lead the nation from the calamitous failures of three decades of conservative dominance.”

    This, she continues, “is the necessary function of a progressive president… If he shirks it, [Obama] risks a failed presidency.”

    This, of course, assumes that we should all devoutly wish for a “successful” Obama presidency. Reading such nonsense, one is struck by just how conservative and conventional these ladies and gentlemen are. And how intellectually impoverished!
    (snip)
    In the end, they brand Obama a progressive on the grounds that he is Democrat and an African-American. Here on full display is the political bankruptcy of the rejection of social class as the basic criterion in politics and its replacement by race and other forms of personal identity.
    (snip)
    What really upsets them about the crass manner in which Obama prostrates himself before the Republicans and Wall Street is how thoroughly it exposes their own role in promoting him and aiding the marketing campaign that was used to get him elected. They are terrified that their political dog and pony show built around Obama has so quickly and ignominiously collapsed.

    This only makes them wedded all the more firmly to Obama. They twist and turn and engage in all manner of sophistry and outright lying to try and convince the people that, despite everything, Obama can be made to “fight” and act on his “progressive” inclinations.

    etc…etc…etc..

  336. Just visualize what would have happened if he had stayed, he standing there quietly while BC answered the questions pulling numbers and stats out of thin air.

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    Yeah. Some reporter might have directed a question to Obama. Not having any answers nor even following the conversation, he had to skedaddle.

  337. OK, here is more for the inquiring minds on what happened:

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/the-surprise-trip-to-the-briefing-room/

    The leader of the free world and the ex-leader wandered a deserted hallway, past the offices of the senior advisers, only to discover the door to the press corps briefing room locked.

    Had it not been, Mr. Obama and Mr. Clinton might have discovered only a few reporters milling about or catching a few minutes of sleep. Instead, they turned around and found a junior staffer sitting outside of the office of Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary.

    “Do you know how to open up the briefing room?” Mr. Obama asked the staffer, Katie Hogan.

    “Yeah,” Mr. Clinton said, “can you help us unlock it?”

    Hearing that, Mr. Gibbs walked out.

    “I said, ‘what are you guys up to?’” Mr. Gibbs recalled later. “President Obama said, ‘we’re looking for some reporters.’”

    “What have you guys got on your mind,” Mr. Gibbs –- always cautious — countered.

    The two presidents told Mr. Gibbs that they had been talking about the controversial tax compromise that Mr. Obama had reached with Republicans and wanted Mr. Clinton to make a few remarks.

    “I said, ‘can you guys give me about five minutes,’” Mr. Gibbs recalled telling them.

    Ms. Hogan made a quick announcement over the West Wing public address system, urging reporters to come to the briefing room “right now!”

    Mr. Gibbs hustled down to the briefing room, where the microphone at the podium was not even turned on. Reporters scrambled to their seats as the networks quickly flipped on the switches to go live.

    At one point, some reporters asked how long Mr. Gibbs thought it would be until the hastily called press conference started.

    “How long?” Mr. Gibbs said. “They’re just on the other side of that door!”

    Mr. Gibbs said he did not know which of the two men initiated the idea to come to the press room. But one thing he did know, he said: “Only a locked door slowed the whole process down.”

  338. I ma trying to imagine Gibbsy pulling Obama aside and whispering that this may not be a good idea.. but too late. ROFL

  339. I tend to see it as you do, pm317. I read an article which said that during their 90-minute meeting, Bill offered to make public his support for the deal. It sounds like they were just going to talk with whatever few reporters were hanging out in the press room. But when they needed assistance getting in, Axelrod made it a big shindig.

    I think BO agreed to it, because it seemed like it would be a quick thing, Bill voicing support, and then after it became a bigger deal, he accepted that maybe Bill would answer a few questions – but questions about his support for the deal. It morphed into a lot more, and BO looked very small.

    He did have to go to some holiday show at his kids’ school, but I don’t know if the timing was truly an issue. And Bill had to fly in to be in town anyway, because he and Hillary were doing some public appearance that night – but perhaps he had to fly in earlier on the red eye in order to make the more recently arranged teaching session with The Fraud.

    I think on some level BO realized he was being shown up, simply by virtue of Bill’s abilities, and I also think he just wasn’t interested in spending his time standing there, (1) because he wasn’t the center of attention, oh, so boring, and (2) he really isn’t interested in all these “details” (he wants to issue an order from on high for the clock to tick, but he is too superior to have any interest in understanding how the clock works).

    Walking away like that would have looked bad for a president held in high esteem, but it was even worse – it was incredibly poor judgment for a president who is already roundly criticized as preferring partying and basketball/golf over doing his job, or even LEARNING how to do his job. He really is a fool.

  340. Clear eyed analysis of a Trotsky-ite: (the faux progressive elitists) twist and turn and engage in all manner of sophistry and outright lying to try and convince the people that, despite everything, Obama can be made to “fight” and act on his “progressive” inclinations.
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    I respect these people. They deal in hard cold truth. What I cannot respect are the designer leftists, who want to have their cake and eat it too. They will not admit he is not what they thought he was. The issue is not courage, it is character. Trust fund baby Vanden Heuvel is a perfect example of what is morbid on the left.

  341. turndown: Yeah. Some reporter might have directed a question to Obama. Not having any answers nor even following the conversation, he had to skedaddle.

    Excellent point.

  342. I think on some level BO realized he was being shown up, simply by virtue of Bill’s abilities,
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    Yep, Bill was being Bill. I don’t think it is that Obama is not interested. He is incapable, period. His memory and retention are bad, he is not competitive by any means, his IQ is much lower than Clinton’s — add to all this the negative emotions he harbors. I bet his EQ is pretty low too.

  343. The immaturity of the left is on full display now. They act like children who just found out there is no Santa Claus. They told themselves he was a progressive–against the weight of the evidence. They screamed racist at anyone who dared to differ, or to point out that progressives do not typically have a god father like Tony Rezko. And what do they do now, when he behaves different that they expected? They tell themselves they can shame him into becoming something he is not. They are children.

  344. Mr. Gibbs hustled down to the briefing room, where the microphone at the podium was not even turned on. Reporters scrambled to their seats as the networks quickly flipped on the switches to go live.

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    And there was no time to put something on Obama’s teleprompter. So of course Obama had to get out of there fast.

  345. The republicans have lost the next round. I can see it now. The hard left in the House are playing a game of chicken with Obama and the Republicans. Obama wants to be loved–so he will fold. The Republicans do not want a megapoltical event like the shutdown of government in 1994–so they will fold. This is Sun tsu stuff.

    If the Republicans are smart they will hold Obama’s feet to the fire and tell him we had a deal, and we are not going to make any further concessions. If Obama was smart, he would say I will call their bluff, and then I will work with you after January 20, and give you a 5 year tax freeze. If they are not smart, they will alienate the American People. In that case, 2012 will be a realignment election, as many now believe it will be.

  346. What really upsets them (the faux progressives) about the crass manner in which Obama prostrates himself before the Republicans and Wall Street is how thoroughly it exposes their own role in promoting him and aiding the marketing campaign that was used to get him elected. They are terrified that their political dog and pony show built around Obama has so quickly and ignominiously collapsed
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    Brilliant

  347. I respect these people. They deal in hard cold truth. What I cannot respect are the designer leftists,
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    forgot to post the link:
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/left-d11.shtml

    Mr. Grey call bullshit on some of the worst “designer leftists”: Frank Rich, David Corn, Michael Lerner, Eleanor Clift, etc.

    Mr. Grey is a good observer of the today’s political nonsense but his socio-economic perspectives and rhetoric, derived from the “class struggles” of the 19th and early 20th centuries don’t give any answers to the problems of the 21st.

  348. oops to many links for the spam..repost

    I respect these people. They deal in hard cold truth. What I cannot respect are the designer leftists,
    ************
    forgot to post the link:
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/left-d11.shtml

    Mr. Grey call bullshit on some of the worst “designer leftists”: Frank Rich, David Corn, Michael Lerner, Eleanor Clift, etc.

    Mr. Grey is a good observer of the today’s political nonsense but his socio-economic perspectives and rhetoric, derived from the “class struggles” of the 19th and early 20th centuries don’t give any answers to the problems of the 21st.

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