Hillary Clinton Resign? – Cyber War Against Hillary Clinton

Update: Conservative website HotAir has been on the job on this resignation craziness. Tonight another good article – some excerpts from “Hillary Don’t Go”:

“As the S-o-S, we all knew Hillary’s job was to ask questions. Now, we know the sorts of questions she’s asked. Which is why some think she must go. [snip]

Mr. Shafer is right that the leak is embarrassing, but he’s wrong about Secretary Clinton: Dismissing her is one of the worst things the President could do right now.

The secretaries of state of every other country in the world would ask, or should be asking, the same sorts of questions and seeking out the same sorts of information as Hillary if they were taking their jobs seriously…. [snip]

Domestic political reaction aside, it is extraordinarily short-sighted to set a precedent whereby leaks of honest and relevant intelligence gathering communiques by the secretary of state would get the S-o-S booted. 1.) It’s disruptive to American interests and organizational continuity, 2.) it rewards bad actors by punishing vigilant work, and 3.) it doesn’t really soothe any of the grumbling that may result among our international friends, foes, and frienemies (think of a family reunion, where everybody pretty much knows where they stand relative to one another, with or without each other’s private conversations about each other fully known.) The notion that the diplomatic community is honestly shocked-shocked! that the US doesn’t mince words about its intelligence gathering operation in private is naive. Our international peers do, or would do, the same kind of intelligence work as we’ve done if given the means and opportunity. And the Obama Administration is right to continue backing her. That Clinton is actively involved in seeking out and monitoring the states of minds of friends and foes alike means she’s doing her job. She shouldn’t be punished for it.

And not only is Hillary her job for the American people properly; it sounds like her department is not coming off too shabbily, either. [snip]

Stick around, Hill. We may disagree on the particulars, but where it matters, it looks like you’re doing your job as we’d have you do it.

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Okay, we’ll bite. In our comments section there has been discussion about this because after last night it was pretty much unavoidable. Once Julian Assange called for Hillary Clinton to resign, and Matt Drudge plastered that call on his own front page, the topic has been bubbling. Was this latest WikiLeaks megaLeak an attempt to destroy the plucky blond lady?

Regular readers know we have been outlining the secret war of attacks by Barack Obama on Hillary Clinton (see, Barack Obama At War With Hillary Clinton (And Thank You Andrew Breitbart), and Mark Halperin’s Book – Harry Reid’s Negro Macaca, Barack Obama’s War On Hillary Clinton, Part I, and Mark Halperin’s Book – Harry Reid’s Negro Macaca, Barack Obama’s War On Hillary Clinton, Part II, and Mark Halperin’s Book – Harry Reid’s Negro Macaca, Barack Obama’s War On Hillary Clinton, Part III, and Obama At War With Hillary Clinton And General McChrystal (The New Shinseki), as well as open warfare in Going… Going… Gone) which has been up to now ignored or not seen by most. We resisted as much as we could to adding the latest WikiLeaks sturm und drange to our “war on Hillary” oeuvre but we’re weak and now we’ve bitten on the bait like a silver carp in a Mayberry lake.

We’re conflicted about all this because we would like Hillary to get as far away as possible from Barack Obama and we would not exactly mind a resignation. But in this Hall of Mirrors world of Mad Magazine style spy vs. spy there are a lot of angles and smoke and… mirrors. Yes, we’d like Hillary to get as far away as possible from Barack Obama but we scratch our heads and ask “Hasn’t she already distanced herself as much as the circumference of the globe will allow?

Yup, it’s a Mad Magazine spy vs. spy world we are in. We want Hillary to resign, but not because Julian Assange and his ghouls want it nor their reasons for it. Hillary has once again demonstrated her resolve and duty to the country and defended the national interests so in a way perhaps this is a good reason to get out and call attention to her steadfastness in defense of country.

But then we turn and run smack into a mirror covered by smoke and wonder if it’s a good idea for Hillary to get out under fire? We turn around and walk into another mirror and wonder “yeah, if she gets out now it will send Michelle into a sleeve yanking frenzy and fear will permeate the dark and dirty OAF (that’s our descriptive anagram for OFA) caves.”

It’s a spy vs. spy world.



We’re not alone in head scratching about this entire WikiLeaks weirdness. At the DailyMail a conservative voice also thinks that Hillary is the target and it is because she threatens Obama’s reelection.

The Wikileaks scandal is not that it was leaked but it is a blatant attempt to eliminate Hillary Clinton as a threat to Barack Obama’s re-election.

That is the only conclusion that I can reach upon reading this from Time magazine:

Hillary Clinton, Julian Assange said, “should resign.” Speaking over Skype from an undisclosed location on Tuesday, the WikiLeaks founder was replying to a question by TIME managing editor Richard Stengel over the diplomatic-cable dump that Assange’s organization loosed on the world this past weekend. Stengel had said the U.S. Secretary of State was looking like “the fall guy” in the ensuing controversy, and had asked whether her firing or resignation was an outcome that Assange wanted. “I don’t think it would make much of a difference either way,” Assange said. “But she should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up. Yes, she should resign over that.

His target was Hillary Clinton.

This is a political assassination that deserves inquiry by the Republican House come January. Forget getting Julian Assange on publishing the leaks. Find out who leaked.

We know why.

By the way, who the hell is some Aussie punk to undermine our democracy?

Also, he is a hypocrite, of course, telling Time: “We’re a source-protection organization, so the last thing we would do is discuss possible sources. However, we do know that… the FBI, State Department and U.S. Army CID [Criminal Investigation Command] has been going around Boston visiting a number of people there.”

Boston? What possible leaker lives in Boston? Surely no Harvard man would be involved in this? A Yalie, maybe. A Columbia denizen in a heartbeat. But never a Harvard man!

As to Assange’s horror of spy vs. spy at the U.N., we have posted a serious rejoinder (via JournoLister Marc Ambinder), as well as a tongue in cheek reference to the many cultural touchstones which sully the U.N. with espionage. North By Northwest anyone?



Everyone is getting into the spy vs. spy aspects of this potential hit on Hillary Clinton. There is this comment at the Surber site:

“Interesting hypothesis Don, but if HRC resigns in a “noble” gesture of accepting responsibility and falls on her sword to protect her boss, she’ll end up looking better than Obama AND be free to run against him in a primary without looking disloyal.

Especially when the media jumps on her bandwagon and spins the narrative her way.

Frankly, the revelation that she’s playing dirty hardball behind the scenes may help her reputation more than hurt it.”

But there is this other comment reflecting the other mirror across from the mirror:

“I don’t think Assange specifically targeted HRC with these leaks, but I do think Obama supporters in the media are doing everything they can to gin up a controversy in order to boost sales while taking advantage of the fake diplomatic “crisis” they are creating to put a stake through any possible HRC challenge to Obama’s re-election bid in 2012. In Time’s interview of Assange, the controversial spin about HRC needing to resign starts with the news rag’s managing editor, Richard Stengel. He’s the one who threw out the loaded question about HRC, and for no good reason when you think about it. What does it matter whether Assange thinks HRC should resign? Why was the question even asked? It is not news; whether HRC should resign is an editorial matter for Time to take a position on. Why Time feels the need to target HRC is beyond me. She has already denied any interest in running against Obama in 2012. Does Time think she is lying? She wouldn’t do that, would she?”

Big Media targeting Hillary on behalf of Obama – Heavens to Betsy, Heavens to Murgatroid, even! It’s a Mad Magazine world as 90,000 Time magazine readers (probably a majority of Time writers too) want Assange named Time Man Of The Year! And there is this mirror on mirror on mirror spy vs. spy comment which made us laugh:

“Since I don’t have enough information to ‘follow the money’ to make sense of this I asked myself who this benefits, and that led me to Barky at first (weakens Hillary as primary opponent) and then to Hillary herself for the reasons you imply. I can’t decide, though, if she’d be capable of playing a game that deep….

A self-confessed Hillary Hater at another website throws 2 cents into the pile:

“I’m betting we will see more of this coming up in the months ahead from the Obama faithful in an attempt to drive her out of office and ruin her chances of running against Obama in 2012 or a run in 2016.

I just don’t see her being forced out of anything tho. She won’t resign, that would be an acknowledgment of guilt. Personally, I can’t stand her but I don’t see anything wrong with her conduct. Of course we spy on other countries and their diplomats. This is a shock? I would have been disappointed to find that we weren’t doing this kind of intelligence work. If these ObamaBots are trying to make the utterly ignorant argument that other countries aren’t doing the same exact thing then they are incredibly naive.”

At McGuires “JustOneMinute” there is more speculation, dollops of Hillary Hate, and some cute mockery:

“Shafer completely sidesteps the only issue that is important to Hillary – how would her resignation affect Operation Enduring Viability for her 2016 (or 2012!) Presidential run? Hillary would love to jump in a lifeboat and abandon the SS Titanic Barack, but she can’t leave as a failure and under a cloud. Unless she and Barack can engineer a face-sacing success that can be pointed to as the capstone of her foreign policy efforts (supplanting her heroism in Bosnia!), she has to stick around.

TO STATE THE OBVIOUS: Obama can’t fire her. But maybe Eric Holder could indict her? Would he offer her a civilian trial in NYC?”

A comment from an admitted Hillary Hater makes us wonder if everyone believes this WikiLeaks megaleak is an Obama “hit” on Hillary:

“I read Shafer’s piece/hit job on Hillary. I’m no fan of Hillary–I have a better opinion of pond scum. But I thought that Shafer was doing Obama’s work here–shove her out as a failure etc. What Shafer and the rest of the Obamabots should really be afraid of however is the oppo research that Hillary’s team is doing on Obama. She doesn’t give a flying fig for credit card data on UN officials–but if it is possible to dig up some dirt on The Won, her team will have it. Heckfire I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama’s college and law school transcripts were in Hillary’s desk drawer today.”

We wish that Hillary indeed did have that treasure trove of Obama information. But as anyone who has followed Big Media protection, JournoLister protection of Barack Obama, knows – nuclear secrets and the national safety are not as well protected as data which documents Barack Obama’s life.

Hey Julian! How about a WikiLeaks on all the missing Obama records? Now that is real spy vs. spy, Mad magazine territory.

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164 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton Resign? – Cyber War Against Hillary Clinton

  1. Obama, OAF, and the Obama DNC continue to party build – for the Republicans:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/12/01/republicans-now-outnumber-democrats-rasmussen/

    I’m certain that as soon as media pollsters such as those who produce polls for Newsweek, the Washington Post and ABC, CBS, and NBC and the Wall Street Journal get this news, they will insist on samples that show a slight Republican edge among registered voters … right? Right? Anyone? Bueller?

    In November, 36.0% of American Adults identified themselves as Republicans; 34.7% considered themselves Democrats, and 29.3% were not affiliated with either major party. That’s the largest number of Republicans since February 2005 and the first time ever that Rasmussen Reports polling has found more people identifying as Republicans than Democrats. …

    In November 2008, following the presidential election, Democrats held a 7.6 percentage point advantage over the GOP. That means Republicans have picked up a net of approximately nine points over the past two years. That is a somewhat larger gain compared to the Democratic gains from the reelection of President Bush in 2004 to the Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006. However, it is similar to the gains recorded by Democrats during the four-year period from Election 2004 to Election 2008.

    In each of the recent election cycles, the victorious party has gained in net partisan identification over the course of the election year.

  2. I do not have faith that the Repub party will investigate much of anything. Two sides to the same coin.

    We have just begun to throw some of the bums out. This process, if successful, will be a long and winding one with lots of potholes.

    We need term limits, a new American Party, beholding to the American people. These two are done, put a fork in them.

  3. Every time Hillary shines, the msm tell her to quit. She makes Bambi look bad just by excelling at what she does.

  4. ( R) Senator Colburn just came out of a meeting and was on Fox, looks like Social Security is going to be messed with. Poor man, said if they didn’t do anything, our grandchildren will pay. Now where did we hear this before?

    This is going to get ugly. Yet we continue to give trillions to Europe to help bail them out, again… Oh, the ‘ugly’ American, giving up it’s own retirement for the sake of the French to retire in bliss at 60 with what, 85% of their wages. Where is Jewesey? Oh yes, in France.

  5. repost

    gonzotx
    December 1st, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    moononpluto
    December 1st, 2010 at 3:22 pm
    gonzotx, would not surprise me if since 2000, they took Gore out and Bush was another Yes man, Bush had 2 dodgy elections, thats no coincidence, then the shenannigans of 2008, none of it is coincidence.

    Which is why i have very little faith in 2012.
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    I think way before 2000…
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    ” I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ”

    Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US president 1801-1809
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    “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country…corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.”

    President Abraham Lincoln
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    and now “TOO BIG TO FAIL”

    A Brief History of Corporations

    by Joel Bleifuss

    In These Times magazine, February 1998

    Corporations can’t cast a ballot, but they do vote with their wallets. In the 1995-96 election cycle, corporations and corporate PACs contributed $147 million to candidates running for federal office. The United States is one of the few democracies where such donations are legal. The Supreme Court affirmed the right of corporations to pay for electoral campaigns in the 1978 case First National Bank v. Bellotti. Writing for the majority, Justice Lewis Powell explained that giving cash to influence the outcome of an election “is the type of speech indispensable to decision making in a democracy, and this is no less true because the speech comes from a corporation rather than an individual.”

    Indeed, under the prevailing interpretation of the Constitution, corporations have the same rights as individuals. This was not always the case: American corporations gained these protections in the 19th century, when the Supreme Court, in a series of rulings, defined the relationship between business and the state. Those rulings shielded companies from government regulation and thus allowed the corporation to become the dominant form of economic organization. [In] the 21st century, the combined gross revenues of the 200 largest corporations exceed the GDP of all but the nine richest nations. In this context, it is important to know how corporations came to hold such sway over our everyday lives, and what can be done about it.

    The first corporations appeared in 17th-century Europe, during capitalism’s infancy. At the time, the government chartered all corporations-that is, it gave them a specific public mission in exchange for the formal right to exist. The United States was settled by one such corporation, the Massachusetts Bay Company, which King Charles I chartered in 1628 in order to colonize the New World. The practice of chartering companies was a crucial part of the mercantile economic system practiced by the epoch’s great powers-Holland, Spain and England. By allowing investors to pool their capital, the monarch made it possible for companies to launch ventures that would have been beyond the means of one person. And in exchange for the charter, companies expanded their government’s wealth and power by creating colonies that served both as sources of raw materials and as markets for exported goods.

    But in the 18th century, the Enlightenment challenged this model of economic organization by putting forward the idea that people need not be subjects in feudal structures but could act as individuals. American revolutionaries, inspired by radical notions of “unalienable rights” to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” fought for independence not only from the Crown, but from the corporate bodies it had chartered. The Boston Tea Party, for example, was a protest against the British East India Company’s monopoly of Eastern trade. Another critic was Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations was published in the same year as the Declaration of Independence. Influenced by John Calvin, Smith believed that human resourcefulness and industry were earthly signs of God’s favor, and thus that wealth obtained in a market economy was an expression of “natural justice.” Smith, however, did not think that corporations were a natural part of this order. Arguing that large business associations limit competition, he wrote, “The pretense that corporations are necessary to the better government of the trade is without foundation.”

    In the infancy of the republic, Americans gave little thought to corporations. In 1787, fewer than 40 corporations operated in the United States. By 1800, that number had grown to 334. Like the British corporations before them, these companies were typically chartered by the state to perform specific public functions, such as digging canals, building bridges, constructing turnpikes or providing financial services. In return for this public service, the state granted corporations permanence, limited liability and the right to own property.

    American manufacturers began to form corporations only when trade with Europe was shut down by President Thomas Jefferson’s embargo of France and Britain from 1807 to 1809 and by the War of 1812. In order to supply the domestic market with the manufactured goods that had previously come from England, Americans formed new companies to amass the capital needed to build factories. The rise of these associations-created not to fulfill a public mission, but to create private wealth-led to a legal dilemma: How would these new forms of business enterprise be treated under the law?

    That task fell to the Supreme Court, then under the leadership of John Marshall, a staunch federalist from Virginia. The Marshall Court (1801-1835) created a national market by striking down trade barriers between the states. It also set precedent for later pro-business interpretations of the Constitution by invoking the Constitution’s “obligation of contracts” clause (Article 1, Section 10), which states that “no state shall … pass any … Iaw imparing the obligation of contracts.” For example, in Fletcher v. Peck (1810), the Supreme Court refused to allow the Georgia legislature to right a wrong committed by a previ- \) ous heavily corrupt legislature, because to do so would entail voiding contracts that had been made in good faith. Not all justices agreed that business reigned supreme. Chief Justice Roger Taney, an Andrew Jackson appointee who served from 1836 to~ 1864, tried to ameliorate the Marshall Court’s rulings on the sanctity of contracts. In Charles River Bridge v. the Proprietors of the Warren Bridge (1837), he wrote for the majority, “The continued existence of a government would be of no great value, if by implications and presumptions, it was disarmed of the powers necessary to accomplish the ends of its creation; and the functions it was designed to perform, transferred to the hands of privileged corporations.”

    In the 1880s and 1890s, the Supreme Court allowed state courts to apply the Marshall Court’s principles on a larger scale. At the time, states with strong Populist movements were passing laws to regulate corporations and the robber barons who owned them. But the courts, using Marshall’s interpretation of the inviolability of contracts, struck down numerous attempts to regulate the workplace and protect collective bargaining.

    The hand of capital was further strengthened by an unlikely legal sword: the 14th Amendment, which states that “no state shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law.” The amendment was adopted during Reconstruction to protect recently emancipated slaves in a hostile South. But in the landmark case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad (1886), the Court, invoking the 14th Amendment, defined corporations as “persons” and ruled that California could not tax corporations differently than individuals. It followed that, as legal “persons,” corporations had First Amendment rights as well.

    Using this definition of corporations as persons, the Court proceeded to strike down a whole range of state regulations. In 1938, Justice Hugo Black noted that in the 50 years after Santa Clara, “less than one-half of I percent [of Supreme Court rulings that invoked the 14th Amendment] invoked it in protection of the Negro race, and more than 50 percent asked that its benefits be extended to corporations.”

    More at link

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporations/KnowEnemy_ITT.html

  6. Great post Admin – I don’t see all the spy drama on Hillary as anything realistic, just more media games to try and find dirt on our girl.

    …She doesn’t give a flying fig for credit card data on UN officials–but if it is possible to dig up some dirt on The Won, her team will have it. Heckfire I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama’s college and law school transcripts were in Hillary’s desk drawer today.”

    Well she has more than that on Barry, and we all know it. She has proof of the caucus fraud and I am sure she has more…

    Are the little boys and girls in MSM trying to defend or reinvent their BoyKing, before he becomes the Lame Fat Duck?

  7. Wikileaks is issuing a statement of defiance tonight.

    Wikileaks : WikiLeaks is the first global Samizdat movement. The truth will surface even in the face of total annihilation.

    Also tonight The Independent: Scotland Yard knows the whereabouts of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in the UK.

  8. I have a different theory of why this cyber war has been launced on HRC – Obama is trying to force her to change places with Biden so he has a prayer of winning in 2012. Stay strong Oh Sec of State!

  9. Go vote on the Lou Dobbs site. Hillary is down to 55% in favor of her staying SOS.

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    (Nothing personal against you Gonzotx), but I refuse to be part of the media hype on if Hillary should resign, coming from a radical criminal declaring his own self worth.

    This is all bullshit!

  10. Jill Dougherty reports in wake of leaks, Clintons State Dept has reached out to 186 countries, including nearly 100 personal calls by Secretary Clinton.

    and yet they still throw shit at her like monkeys in the zoo……………….

  11. the first global Samizdat movement

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    Does the name ‘Smizdat’ have a real meaning or did I miss the memo?

  12. Moon
    …Clintons State Dept has reached out to 186 countries, including nearly 100 personal calls by Secretary Clinton.

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    How many calls did Barry make???

    ………….Anyone? Bueller?

  13. Who the fuck did we bailout, it wasnt America…………..cant post the FT article as its behind a paywall.

    BOMBSHELL: European banks took big slice of Fed aid

    Foreign banks were among the biggest beneficiaries of the $3,300bn in emergency credit provided by the Federal Reserve during the crisis, according to new data on the extraordinary efforts of the US authorities to save the global financial system.

    The revelation of the scale of overseas lenders’ borrowing underlines the global nature of the turmoil and the crucial role of the Fed as the lender of last resort for the world’s banking sector.

    However, news that banks such as Barclays of the UK, Switzerland’s UBS and Dexia of Belgium borrowed billions of dollars at favourable terms from the US government may further anger critics already enraged about the Fed’s bail-out of Wall Street.

    After being ordered by Congress to lift the secrecy on the crisis-time aid, the Fed published the details on Wednesday of more than 21,000 transactions with banks from 2007 to 2010.

  14. admin
    December 1st, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Conservative Don Surber at the Daily Mail thinks the WikiLeaks target is Hillary Clinton because she threatens Obama:
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    It is beginning to dawn on many, commenters and bloggers alike that Hillary was the target of this leak because she poses a threat to Obama in 2012. Can you imagine the implications if people fully realize that Obama or his cronies put foreign policy matters at risk for some political shenanigans on a purported rival? My sense is that they thought just dumping this would start a cry for her resignation. But that didn’t happen. Friends and foes alike came to her defense which is why there was that big headline from that wikileaks guy saying she should resign. That has backfired as well with everyone saying who is he to tell us what to do. Obama leaking his own admin confidences and secrets.. now that should get people’s attention.
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    agreed, admin- it’s got nothing to with problems, hammers and nails like some think. It is all about Hillary- if they can embarrasses her enough to take the shine off her stellar record and send her packing with her tail between her legs, then they’ve gotten rid of a looming problem.

    She has never said she advanced the memo to “spy” on anyone. Newt Gingrich tried to make her ‘own it’ by saying she is patriotic. My take is this it was an existing policy left over from the Bush admin- and handed out in a boilerplate brief as standard policy. She never gave it a second thought and never saw the memo before it was forwarded to foreign policy employees.

  15. 3rd wtf moment of today

    U.S. ready to back bigger EU stability fund-official (US Taxpayers to Bail Out Europe)

    The United States would be ready to support the extension of the European Financial Stability Facility via an extra commitment of money from the International Monetary Fund, a U.S. official told Reuters on Wednesday.

    “There are a lot of people talking about that. I think the European Commission has talked about that,” said the U.S. official, commenting on enlarging the European stability fund. “It is up to the Europeans. We will certainly support using the IMF in these circumstances.”

    “There are obviously some severe market problems,” said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRU01118320101201

  16. The article has been updated with this:

    Update: Conservative website HotAir has been on the job on this resignation craziness. Tonight another good article – some excerpts from “Hillary Don’t Go”:

    “As the S-o-S, we all knew Hillary’s job was to ask questions. Now, we know the sorts of questions she’s asked. Which is why some think she must go. [snip]

    Mr. Shafer is right that the leak is embarrassing, but he’s wrong about Secretary Clinton: Dismissing her is one of the worst things the President could do right now.

    The secretaries of state of every other country in the world would ask, or should be asking, the same sorts of questions and seeking out the same sorts of information as Hillary if they were taking their jobs seriously…. [snip]

    Domestic political reaction aside, it is extraordinarily short-sighted to set a precedent whereby leaks of honest and relevant intelligence gathering communiques by the secretary of state would get the S-o-S booted. 1.) It’s disruptive to American interests and organizational continuity, 2.) it rewards bad actors by punishing vigilant work, and 3.) it doesn’t really soothe any of the grumbling that may result among our international friends, foes, and frienemies (think of a family reunion, where everybody pretty much knows where they stand relative to one another, with or without each other’s private conversations about each other fully known.) The notion that the diplomatic community is honestly shocked-shocked! that the US doesn’t mince words about its intelligence gathering operation in private is naive. Our international peers do, or would do, the same kind of intelligence work as we’ve done if given the means and opportunity. And the Obama Administration is right to continue backing her. That Clinton is actively involved in seeking out and monitoring the states of minds of friends and foes alike means she’s doing her job. She shouldn’t be punished for it.

    And not only is Hillary her job for the American people properly; it sounds like her department is not coming off too shabbily, either. [snip]

    Stick around, Hill. We may disagree on the particulars, but where it matters, it looks like you’re doing your job as we’d have you do it.

  17. laughing my head off, someone had a sense of humor.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334706/Iran-outrage-Satellite-image-shows-Star-David-Tehran-airport-HQ-roof.html

    It could be one of the most outrageous pranks in history, or simply just a trick of the light.

    But a satellite image of the Iran Air headquarters in Tehran has sparked fury in the Iranian government after the image of the Star of David appeared to have been painted on the roof.

    Unamused government officials have called for the symbol to be removed as speculation increased that it may have been in place since before the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

  18. One other thing to look at is that this has allowed obama to regroup from the mid-term dump by taking him off the front page and putting Hillary in the hot seat.

  19. Janh…yeah i said this last night, i was wondering that if Wikileaks really wanted to cause trouble why not dump it just before midterms, it would have caused chaos. The timing is bizarre.

  20. Shadowfax
    December 1st, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    … right? Right? Anyone? Bueller?
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    Love Ferris Bueller… 😆

  21. …. and the score goes up another notch, clap-clap, cha, cha, cha!
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    Lame Duck Obama Still Clinging to Obamacare

    The progressive fracturing of President Obama’s credibility in the midterm election results was caused primarily by the grim economy and also by the widespread fear of Obamacare — the rationing of our health care through government invasion of the doctor-patient relationship. This will be fully implemented by boards and commissions whose members have never seen those patients whose treatment is primarily government-funded — and often mandated.

    If the Republican leadership of the House is unable to enact a veto-proof repeal of the core of Obamacare within the next two years — and if he is re-elected in 2012 — here is what awaits many of us, in addition to already rising insurance premiums and more businesses no longer sharing payment of their employee’s health care.

    At increasing risk is not just the elderly deemed by this government to have already lived enough years to justify expensive continued treatment.

    Cato Institute health expert Michael Tanner explains how the survival of Obamacare can affect your survival, and mine, by deciding who “ultimately gets to make decisions about your life, about whether you’re going to buy insurance or what kind of insurance you’re going to buy (or be compelled by government to buy) what benefits it’s going to have, what doctor you’re going to see, what treatment that doctor’s going to prescribe for you, what hospital you’re going to go to, and how you’re going to pay for it?”

    In all of American history, this is the first time the national government will have the power to decide, in many cases, and a range of ages, how many of us will be permitted to go on living. Who will decide?

    I expect that few of us, like many members of Congress, have actually read this law based on the Senate bill (2,409 pages) and the 153-page reconciliation package.

    Moreover, I doubt that even many of Obama’s citizen critics, including independent voters, know what was hidden beforehand in Obama’s 2009 stimulus bill that includes the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (later superseded by the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute).

    After being conceived in part by former Democratic senator Tom Daschle — who was to head Health and Human Services until his income-tax problems ushered him out of the federal government — Obamacare’s unelected council sets the operating framework for Obamacare’s health rationing.

    Composed of 15 members appointed by the president, the Coordinating Council — along with the stimulus bill’s additional National Coordinator for Health Information Technology (some of which may be ruled as too costly) — will review your doctor’s diagnosis of the treatment for your condition with regard to the cost of government funds involved in that treatment.

    There are, in addition, hordes of bureaucrats also involved in deciding your future on this Earth. As described by the firmly nonpolitical Congressional Research Service (Wall Street Journal, “Obamacare, for some,” October 29), there is “a currently unknowable number of new boards, commissions and offices” in this “bureaucratic apparatus.”

    Adds this report: “it is currently impossible to know how much influence they will ultimately have” on who will live or die (sorry, I meant “expire”), thereby helping the government cut its deficit.

    Wait a minute!

    How come the Obama administration — which, according to that irritating Constitution, works for we, the people who put it into office — will not name these new boards and commissions, their members, and, specifically, the powers each has over our futures?

    Will the new Republican leadership of the House, and its sizable minority membership in the Senate — demand this vital information be provided to us? Isn’t it up to us to insist they do this?

    There is so much more we need to know. Ardently defending Obamacare in the November 4 New York Times (“To save money, save the Health Care Act”), here is Peter Orszag (director of White House Office of Management and Budget, 2009-2010 and “distinguished visiting fellow” at the Council on Foreign Relations.”) This is something I didn’t know, and maybe neither did you. He writes:

    “Perhaps most important, the legislation creates an Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of independent medical experts who will look for more ways to improve Medicare’s cost-effectiveness (with regard to your health care). Under the law, any policy that the board issues takes effect unless legislation to block it is passed by Congress and signed by the president.” That looks like the only way to block it. But even if the president vetoes this blocking legislation, the Board’s rules still apply.

    Can you believe this: There is no judicial review!

    But what if Barack Obama is re-elected in 2012 and the Democrats take over the House and Senate — voting, as before, in lockstep with the president on Obamacare, therefore killing any opposition legislation to what this Independent Advisory Board has decided, and what all those other boards and commissions conclude your life is worth, whatever your own doctor wants to do for, and with you, personally?

    Would this still be America? Is it now?

    The president, after the “shellacking” (his word) he took in the midterm elections, said he would negotiate with the Republicans to “tweak” Obamacare but would not “re-litigate” arguments over its fundamentals (New York Times, October 4).

    And at a press conference, Obama said of what he regards as his signature achievement, “I say to myself, ‘this is the right thing to do.'”

    Mr. President, in the midterms, a majority of millions of Americans told you exactly the opposite. And even some Democratic candidates ran away from Obamacare. So, as you stand shellacked but unyielding, will the new Republican House majority agree with the majority of the people and begin to strongly bring our health care back to each of us and our own doctors?

    Whether we are Republicans or Democrats, this is a question we surely ought to ask each individual in the new House majority, since some of our very lives may depend on the answer. Start now and keep on the case.

    It’s your case.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12549

  22. 6 minute video report on what we, worldwide, are being forced to bail out. Entertaining as well as factual.

    h…w…larouchepac.com/node/16693

    Shown in court that B of A and other mortgage-backed securities are not backed by anything because… wait for it… B of A kept the notes and did not transfer them to the trustees for the investors who bought the note. Judge ruled that foreclosures therefore impossible.

    Sir Alan Greenspan’s proposed remedy for this sad situation is interesting and entertaining.

  23. Mrs. Smith
    December 1st, 2010 at 7:10 pm
    JanH-

    HAPPY HANUKKAH tonight!

    ———————–

    awwwww Mrs. Smith. Thank you very much.

  24. Clinton won’t be forced out over WikiLeaks, White House says

    By LEE-ANNE GOODMAN The Canadian Press
    Wed, Dec 1 –

    WASHINGTON — The White House is all but scoffing at suggestions U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should resign in the wake of the latest WikiLeaks crisis, with President Barack Obama again signalling his strong support of the woman who was once his fiercest political foe.

    Robert Gibbs, White House press secretary, branded WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s call for Clinton’s resignation as “ridiculous and absurd,” adding Obama is pleased with Clinton’s work.

    “The president has great confidence in and admires the work that Secretary Clinton has done to further our interests in the world,” he told CNN on Wednesday.

    Earlier this week, Assange told Time magazine from an undisclosed location that Clinton should resign if it’s revealed she ordered U.S. diplomats to spy on UN officials, a violation of international agreements.

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has also called for her to step down, while a blogger on Slate.com agreed Clinton must take the fall.

    “There is no way that the new WikiLeaks leaks don’t leave Hillary Clinton holding the smoking gun,” Jack Shafer wrote. “The time for her departure may come next week or next month, but sooner or later, the weakened and humiliated secretary of state will have to pay.”

    The Clinton controversy is centred on requests from her office for DNA and biometric data on foreign officials, revealed in leaked classified cables made public last weekend by WikiLeaks. But State Department officials have said the secret instructions to gather the sensitive personal information originated from the U.S. intelligence community, and did not constitute a command to spy.

    One longtime diplomat in D.C. said there’s nothing surprising about Clinton’s directive and the fact that United Nations officials were among those being watched. Clinton’s predecessor, Condoleezza Rice, issued a similar order.

    “It’s something most governments do, because the UN is famously crawling with spies,” the diplomat said.

    Stephen Hess, a longtime Washington-based politico who has spent years examining how governments deal with leaks, agreed.

    “This is diplomacy at work; this is how people operate in diplomatic circles, and to pretend otherwise is naive,” said Hess, now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution after a political career spent working for presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon among them.

    The most striking thing about this week’s crisis, Hess added, is not the often gossipy details disclosed in the diplomatic cables. Rather, he said, it’s how Clinton has once again proven herself to be an astute secretary of state.

    “She said something on Monday that should go down in the anthology of the best things ever said by U.S. secretaries of state, and that was when she recounted how she’d spoken to her foreign counterparts and one of them had told her: ‘Don’t worry about it, you should see what we say about you,”’ Hess said with a laugh.

    With that one quip, Hess said, Clinton masterfully put the crisis in perspective and did it with self-deprecating humour.

    “She’s done everything perfectly this week, and with that one line, she crystallized the issue _ this is what governments do and diplomats do, all over the world, not just in the United States,” he said.

    Clinton is on an overseas tour in Central Asia this week that has morphed into a mission to smooth ruffled diplomatic feathers. And rather than sheepishly stepping onto the world stage in the continuing heat of the WikiLeaks scandal, Hess added, she’s doing damage control with aplomb.

    Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, for example, was reportedly wounded by descriptions of him by U.S. diplomats as feckless, vain and a hard partier, despite a career long plagued by scandal, including a viral YouTube video that showed him simulating intercourse with an unsuspecting female police officer as he headed to his limousine.

    But instead of an eye-rolling from Clinton, Berlusconi got the full-on charm offensive on Wednesday in Kazakhstan.

    “We have no better friend, we have no one who supports the American policies as consistently as Prime Minister Berlusconi has,” Clinton said as the Italian leader beamed by her side.

    “The United States, Republican and Democratic administrations alike, know that they can count on the prime minister to support the policies and values that Italy and the United States share in common.”

    Clinton also reassured America’s allies that the WikiLeaks release will not complicate U.S. diplomacy efforts, but added she’s open to addressing any concerns.

    “I anticipate that there will be a lot of questions that people have every right and reason to ask, and we stand ready to discuss them at any time with our counterparts around the world,” she said.

    Hess called it vintage Clinton: out on the front lines and handling the crisis with typical poise. It’s a skill that was perhaps well-honed after eight years dealing with the seamier scandals that engulfed the presidency of her husband, former president Bill Clinton.

    “She is a woman of great energy and certainly a very smart person, and let’s face it, she dealt with a lot as first lady,” Hess said.

    “And right out of the White House, you look at how she responded to being a senator for New York _ she wasn’t a show horse, she was a workhorse, and that wasn’t expected of her. She’s poured the same energy into her job as secretary of state. She has easily been one of Obama’s most brilliant appointments, and calls for her resignation are just silly.”

    http://thechronicleherald.ca/World/9018868.html

  25. While bambi soaks in a hot tub and meme buys more bling…

    —————-

    U.S. diplomat: ‘Grueling’ effort to patch up international ties

    From Jill Dougherty, CNN Foreign Affairs Correspondent
    December 1, 2010

    Senior official: “This has been a rough week for American diplomacy”

    State Department officials have reached out to 186 governments

    Official: Clinton in a “grueling” effort to contain damage from leaked diplomatic cables
    Washington (CNN) — A senior State Department official conceded Wednesday that, “This was a rough week for American diplomacy.”

    The official, speaking with reporters in a conference call, said the WikiLeaks disclosures of State Department diplomatic cables “have done substantial damage.”

    “We’ll probably never have a neat scorecard to show you with meetings not granted, confidences not shared, cooperation that’s hedged or denied,” he said, “and it is going to take time and hard work to rebuild trust…we’ve got a tough road ahead of us and a lot of rebuilding to do.”

    The official described what he called a “grueling” effort by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to contain damage from the leaks. Clinton, he said, has made several dozen calls to world leaders “to express our deep regret and underscore steps we’ve taken to ensure confidentiality and underscore important diplomatic work before us.”

    State Department officials in Washington and at embassies around the world, he said, have reached out to a total of 186 governments to reinforce Clinton’s message, adding “to virtually everyone who takes our calls.”

    The secretary, currently traveling in Central Asia, is attending two conferences during the trip, meeting with world leaders. The senior official said the effort is “grueling at best, but there is no more effective way of demonstrating our commitment to diplomacy than actually doing it.”

    Clinton, he claims, “is uniquely positioned” for the task: “She has the political skill to navigate what are inevitably tough conversations, the credibility to address foreign audiences, the resolve to do the really hard work of dealing with this head-on and the political experience, I think, to connect with foreign leaders on these leaks in a way that others can’t.”

    The State Department, along with other agencies of the U.S. government, he explained, is taking steps to control access to classified information, trying to find the proper balance between the “need to know” and the “need to share.”

    “When you look at a reality like the fact that an Army private serving in a unit in Iraq can have access to confidential cables coming from embassies in Latin America or Russia or other parts of the world,” he said, “that really don’t have any bearing on the very important work at hand in Iraq … I think we have to take a very careful look at what kinds of measures we need to take to fix that balance.”

    Procedures already in place at the State Department before the leaks were known “have been vindicated,” he said, “including our long-standing policy of preventing employees from downloading materials from classified terminals except in very carefully controlled circumstances.”

    The official also defended the department against charges that a directive issued from the Secretary’s office to diplomats to collect information on foreign diplomats working at the United Nations blurred the line between diplomacy and espionage. The directive was contained in a leaked cable.

    “The fact is we do not ask our officers to perform duties outside of accepted diplomatic practice,” he said. “The State Department often conveys requests on behalf of the entire inter-agency community. These kinds of wish-lists are aimed at entire missions overseas which include typically a number of government agencies. For diplomats the laundry lists are informational. They are not instructions.”

    But the official also explained that the department, as a part of its review of its practices in the walk of the WikiLeaks revelations, is re-thinking this. “We’re obviously taking a careful look at how those kinds of requests are conveyed and handled.”

    “We’ve got a tough road ahead of us and a lot of rebuilding to do,” the official said. The leaks are going to complicate U.S. diplomacy and international cooperation for a long time after the headlines fade.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/01/state.department.wikileaks/

  26. Our freakin’ country can’t pass the ERA, but lookie here…….

    House Speaker-to-be John Boehner is planning to install the first-ever women’s restroom next to the floor of the House of Representatives.

    – Don’t even tell me, “Baby steps”.

  27. Shadowfax
    December 1st, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    Good to see you BigCatLover!
    *************************
    Thanks Shadowfax. I’ve been lurking since 2008 and loving this site, so I finally decided to jump in.

  28. admin,

    I’ve never heard that song before. Thank you for posting it. 🙂

    And Happy Hanukah to all my Jewish friends here.

  29. I’m really not sure what to think of this from Lame Cherry, chew on this awhile:
    ———–
    The Interesting Ulsterman

    This is a short post as it is one which leads one to deduct that the blogger Ulsterman is of interest to the elites, because of two happenings I experienced.

    On attempting to post on his site, I noted that certain people with facts such as one person noting Tim Geithner and Obama’s connected past, the poster had to post 4 times and each time it posted.
    The reason this mattered is when I attempted to post, I kept getting an error message. Apparently someone, the same some one’s who just hacked into Wikileaks banning it from European and American eyes in this Obama regime, has tagged certain systems and is barring them from posting information on Ulsterman’s White House Insider reports.

    The second odd thing was a blog I posted, utilizing a quote from Ulsterman, which literally disappeared from the blog. Now this was most interesting as the quote literally changed the black color of the font to white, hiding it in plain site.
    That is an impossibility, due to the codex html blah blah blah, which I will not go into details, but there is one set of html for one color and one set for another color, and fonts do not just change on a live blog feed or any other feed, unless someone else is changing them.

    For this reason, Ulsterman appears not to be a work of fiction as he is accused of in creating the White House Insider in his mind. There are some interesting folks watching what he is accomplishing and those folks are tapping at least this blog (as if I need more alphabet agencies asking me out for dates in illegally messing with this blog non stop).

    That type of residual evidence points to a most interesting preoccupation with the cartels in what Ulsterman is revealing. Thee only reason there would be this kind of dividing the forces and disrupting certain communications, is the Obama regime does not want the bloggers combing, readers visiting other sites learning more information so all the pieces start fitting together, and this major scandal which Deep Tutu, Rham Emanuel is working out with Ulsterman, is something which is going to prove exactly what I stated from the beginning……….

    Uncle David when you allow to be installed a foreigner like Obama, his crimes have threads which will come pulling back into the very heart of the cartels.

    See what Ulsterman and Rham Emanuel do not state about the MSM protecting Obama is not so much to protect the MSM being idiots in installing Obama, but the cartels which control the media, know as the Obama crimes become public, more threads will keep being pulled that will go into Chicago price fixing, New York shearing of stocks, European embezzlement of trillions of US Dollars and the entire international contraband of the narco Islamocommunist terror network.

    The signs of what is happening with Ulsterman and his quotes being white outed here, point to some intrepidation by the cartels that when Obama comes down……..it is going to point too many fingers at their international crimes against Americans.

    nuff said

  30. JanH, that song is one we have been searching for, for a long time now. We cannot find the original version which is the only Hanukkah song to hit the top 40 on the Billboard charts (it’s possible that the Adam Sandler Hanukkah Song also made the top 100 but that is of fairly recent vintage). The version we posted is by The Belmonts of Dion fame. We thought the Belmonts were Italian, but maybe we are wrong or they felt the spirit. 🙂

    We’ll keep hunting for the original version which is a really bouncy tune. We now have the composer’s name so our search might eventually garner success. BTW, George David Weiss also wrote “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” and “What a Wonderful World”.

  31. This is mind-boggling.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334400/Female-staff-Norway-ordered-wear-red-bracelets-period.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    A boss in Norway has ordered all female staff to wear red bracelets during their periods – to explain why they are using the toilet more often.

    The astonishing demand was revealed in report by a workers’ union into ‘tyrannical’ toilet rules in Norwegian companies.

    The study claimed businesses were becoming obsessed with lost productivity due to employees spending too much time answering the call of nature.

    It found 66 per cent of managers made staff ask them for an electronic key card to gain access to the toilets so they could monitor breaks.

    Toilets in one in three companies were placed under video-surveillance, while other firms made staff sign a toilet ‘visitors book’, the report by the Parat union said.

    It added: ‘But the most extreme action was taken by one manager who made women having their period wear a red bracelet to justify more frequent trips to the loo.

    ‘Women quite justifiably feel humiliated by being tagged in this way, so that all their colleagues are aware of this intimate detail of their private life.’

    The report, which did not name the firm imposing red bracelets on female staff, has now been passed on to Norway’s chief comsuner ombudsman Bjorn Erik Thon.

    He said: ‘These are extreme cases of workplace monitoring, but they are real.

    ‘Toilet Codes relating to mentrual cycles are clear violations of privacy and is very insulting to the people concerned.

    ‘I hope and believe that this is not representative of the Norwegian working life in general.

    ‘We receive many complaints about monitopring in the workplace, which is becoming a growing problem as it is so often being used for something other than what it was originally intended for.

    ‘We will be carrying out a full review of the rules surrounding employment and privacy over the coming year.’

  32. I would make you a small wager that this scandal in general and the way Obama failed to handle it properly will mark the end of Obama and not Hillary. Big media senses this and that is why they are in a state of frenzy. They hoped for a quick kill and they are not getting it. Notice how their reactions are confused and all over the board. Their strategy is failing, and their power over the political system is on the ebb. They are witnessing their dream of an 8 year co-presidency dying before their eyes, their scandals being exposed and the imminent prospect of being frozen out of power by whoever succeeds their Christ figure–whether that is Hillary or a Republican. Two months from now this will be obvious. For now what we hear is all voices in distraction, except for a few Republicans who get it–like Morrisey, Gingrich etc. Let the congressional investigations begin, and let the rabid hounds of hell in big media die choking on their own vomit–starting with Shafer/

  33. People need to understand something about Morris. He is not a true conservative. He is not a true Republican. He is a RINO. And the worst kind of opportunist this side of Obama.

  34. When will these embarrassing dolts learn?

    “Obama simply cannot be trusted. Obama cannot be trusted on any issue. Obama cannot be trusted by his friends. Obama cannot be trusted by his enemies. Obama cannot be trusted.”

  35. ” I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ”

    Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US president 1801-1809
    ***********

    “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country…corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.”

    President Abraham Lincoln
    ******************

    ===========================

    True wisdom here but it would be more credible if cites were included to prove these people were really the source. A lot of stuff gets credited to famous people incorrectly.

  36. Sfail. Dobbs is misquoting Assange. Assange said “IF” Hillary were guilty.

    =================

    Lou Dobbs has a poll question on his radio show today – WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Resign’ because of her diplomatic actions discovered in the cables released by Wikileaks. Should she?

    62% say NO

  37. Salazar: Offshore oil drilling ban to be maintained in key areas
    By Juliet Eilperin
    Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced Wednesday afternoon that the Obama administration will not allow offshore oil drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico or off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as part of the next five-year drilling plan, reversing two key policy changes President Obama announced in late March.

    President Obama talks about endorsing expansion of offshore drilling. (Footage via http://www.whitehouse.gov/The Washington Post)”We are adjusting our strategy in areas where there are no active leases,” Salazar told reporters in a phone call, adding that the administration has decided “not expand to new areas at this time” and instead “focus and expand our critical resources on areas that are currently active” when it comes to oil and gas drilling.

    =========================

    Thank God he’s doing something right. Though probably for bad reasons.

  38. if they he wanted to do maximum political damage to the US, surely Assange would have dropped this right before the midterms, it would have caused chaos.

    ===================

    Maybe US Congressional races are not the top priority of everyone else in the world. Or maybe the Global Yellow Peril Leftist Conspiracy didn’t want the GOP to do better at the midterms.

  39. A boss in Norway has ordered all female staff to wear red bracelets during their periods

    ———
    Unfreakinbelievable!!!!

    If Norwegian women don’t revolt, they may as well wear a burqua to work.

    I would grab one of those airhorns, and blast it every time one of the men fart or reajust their coconuts.

    Disgusting!!!

  40. I really think some of the docs in the wikileaks dump must be planted. It’s classic counter-espionage tactics; if you have a known mole/leak, give them disinformation wrapped in non-important real information.

    ===================

    Or maybe the Wikileaks people doctored the documents — or made them up in the first place. Why expect thieves to be honest?

  41. Latest on Lou Dobbs’ Poll: when big media attacks the clintons the american people rally to their defense. Twas ever thus.

    Today’s Poll Question
    Results
    Question: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Resign’ because of her diplomatic actions discovered in the cables released by Wikileaks. Should she?

    Answer Percent
    Yes
    30%

    No
    70%

  42. Or maybe the Wikileaks people doctored the documents — or made them up in the first place. Why expect thieves to be honest?

    ————
    Very good point turndown.

  43. If this is a Hillary political assination sabotage, then the scandal most definitely is has Obama deliberately sacrificed national security for political gains and should be impeached.

    ========================

    His own foot as collateral damage?

    How about, plain old Murpy’s Law plus some laziness?

  44. Julian Assange calling for Clinton to quit.

    “She should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up,” Assange told Time magazine Tuesday via Skype.

    ===============

    Note what he REALLY said. “IF IT CAN BE SHOWN THAT SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE.”

  45. Clinton to Meet South Korea, Japan Ministers on Korea

    By Flavia Krause-Jackson – Dec 1, 2010

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will host talks in Washington next week with foreign ministers from South Korea and Japan on tensions with North Korea.

    North Korea on Nov. 23 shelled a South Korean fishing community and military base, killing four people including two civilian construction workers.

    On Dec. 6, Clinton, South Korean Foreign Minister Kim Sung Hwan and Japanese Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara will “discuss the recent developments on the Korean peninsula and their impact on regional security,” the State Department announced today.

    China, which isn’t taking part in the three-way meeting, renewed calls for calm and restraint on the Korean peninsula as a U.S. aircraft carrier patrolled the Yellow Sea with the South Korean navy, and a top North Korean official, Choe Thae Bok, met in Beijing with a member of China’s legislature.

    In Washington, Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, called on China to “step up” pressure on North Korea to end attacks on the South and curb its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

    On Nov. 28, China proposed that “emergency” talks to address the increasing tensions on the Korean peninsula be held early next month in Beijing. They would involve China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, North Korea and the U.S.. The group met several times to discuss North Korea’s nuclear program until negotiations came to a halt after the government in Pyongyang launched a rocket in April 2009.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-01/clinton-to-meet-south-korea-japan-ministers-on-korea-update1-.html

  46. Obama’s EPA has now begun the process for regulating carbon dioxide emissions (CO2) under the Clean Air Act. Note that CO2 is not a pollutant, but a natural substance in the environment essential to all human life on the planet.

    ==========================

    So is water. But too much of it in the wrong place is — too much.

  47. Interpol has put Assange on its most-wanted list after Sweden issued an arrest warrant against him as part of a drawn-out rape probe involving allegations Assange has denied.

    =================

    Who is the alleged victim? Paula Jones?

  48. I read a while back, Ted Turner regretted selling CNN.

    ================

    He sure sold it at a bad time — just in time to affect teh 2000 campaign. Under Turner, it was a decent source of news. Then the GOP bought it.

  49. Wikileaks: Ireland prevented US weapon transfers to Israel

    By JPOST.COM STAFF
    12/02/2010

    The Irish Department of Foreign Affairs forbade US military transits to Israel to pass through Shannon Airport during the Second Lebanon War.

    The Irish government attempted to limit American weapons transfers to Israel after the Second Lebanon War, according to a document released by Wikileaks.

    A diplomatic cable sent from the US embassy in Ireland reveals that “the Irish Government has informally begun to place constraints on US military transits” at Shannon Airport.

    After the Second Lebanon War, the Irish government tried to prevent weapons from reaching Israel through Shannon Airport. The Irish Department of Transport required that any military equipment passing through the country required “prior notification” and “exemption waivers.”

    “The Transport Department notice followed upon the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) oral but definitive decision during the Lebanon conflict to forbid US military transits carrying munitions to Israel,” the document reads, “a policy that the DFA did not convey to [the US embassy] before informing the media.”

    The cable explains that this policy is due to the fact that “segments of the Irish public see the airport as a symbol of Irish complicity in perceived US wrongdoing in the Middle East.”

    James C. Kenny, the American ambassador to Ireland at the time, wrote that Irish officials were warned that the US would use other airports, causing a loss of tens of millions of dollars for the Irish economy, if the policy would continue.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=197626

  50. William Black Calls On FDIC To Seize Bank Of America »

    Foreclose on the Fraudsters, Part 1: Put Bank of America in Receivership

    The lenders, officers, and professional that directed, participated in, and profited from the fraudulent loans and securities should be prevented from causing further damage to the victims of their frauds, through fraudulent foreclosures.

    The banks that are foreclosing on fraudulently originated mortgages frequently cannot produce legitimate documents… Now, only fraud will let them take the homes. Many of the required documents do not exist, and those that do exist would provide proof of the fraud that was involved in loan origination, securitization, and marketing. This in turn would allow investors to force the banks to buy-back the fraudulent securities. In other words, to keep the investors at bay the foreclosing banks must manufacture fake documents…. Foreclosure fraud is the only thing standing between the banks and Armageddon.

    ■The fraudulent CEOs looted with impunity, were left in power, and were granted their fondest wish when Congress, at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce, Chairman Bernanke, and the bankers’ trade associations, successfully extorted the professional Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) to turn the accounting rules into a farce.

    ■The FASB’s new rules allowed the banks (and the Fed, which has taken over a trillion dollars in toxic mortgages as wholly inadequate collateral) to refuse to recognize hundreds of billions of dollars of losses. This accounting scam produces enormous fictional “income” and “capital” at the banks. The fictional income produces real bonuses to the CEOs that make them even wealthier. The fictional bank capital allows the regulators to evade their statutory duties under the Prompt Corrective Action (PCA) law to close the insolvent and failing banks.

    ■The inflated asset values allow the Fed and the administration to ignore the Fed’s massive loss exposure and allow Treasury to spread propaganda claiming that TARP resolved all the problems — at virtually no cost.

    Donovan claims that we have held the elite frauds accountable — but we have done the opposite. We have made the CEOs of the largest financial firms — typically already among the 500 wealthiest Americans — even wealthier. We have rewarded fraud, incompetence, and venality by our most powerful elites.

    If the government does not hold the fraudulent CEOs responsible, who is supposed to stop the epidemic of elite financial fraud? Obama’s answer is the fraudulent CEOs themselves, at a time of their choosing. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Bank of America chose to purchase Countrywide at a point when it — and its senior leaders — were infamous. Bank of America made some of these Countrywide leaders its senior leaders. Yet, Bank of America is not treated as a criminal entity. President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, Donovan, and Barr cannot even bring themselves to use the “f” word — fraud. They substitute euphemisms designed to trivialize elite criminality. The administration officials do not call for Bank of America to be the subject of a criminal investigation. They do not demand that Fannie, Freddie, Ambac, the FHFA, and Pimco file criminal referrals about Countrywide’s frauds. They do not demand that Fannie, Freddie, and the Fed refuse to purchase or take as collateral any mortgage instrument from Bank of America. No one at the Harvard Club in New York moves to kick Bank of America’s officers out of their club! The financial media treats Bank of America as if it were a legitimate bank rather than a “vector” spreading the mortgage fraud epidemic throughout much of the Western world.

    Appointing a receiver for an SDI will be a major undertaking for the FDIC, but it is also well within its capabilities. Contrary to the scare mongering about “nationalizing” banks, receivers are used to returning failed banks to private ownership. Receiverships are managed by experienced bankers with records of competence and integrity rather than the dread “bureaucrats.” We appointed roughly a thousand receivers during the S&L and banking crises of the 1980s and early 1990s under Presidents Reagan and Bush.

    Here is how it works. A receiver is appointed on Friday. The bank opens for business as normal (from the bank’s customers’ perspective) on Monday. The checks clear, the ATMs work, and the branches all open. The receiver’s managers direct the business operations, find the true facts about the bank’s operations, senior managers, and financial condition, recognize the real losses, and make the appropriate referrals to the FBI and the SEC so that the frauds can be investigated and prosecuted.

    The receiver is also a well-proven device for splitting up banks that are too large and incoherent by selling units of the business to different bidders who most value the operations.

    http://dailybail.com/home/william-black-calls-on-fdic-to-seize-bank-of-america.html

  51. Of course Hillary should resign for saying she invented the internet!

    Except that Hillary didn’t really DO what she’s accused of. Her name is on ALL the cables that come out because it’s on the letterhead, dummy. She had nothing to do with this. It came from higher up (to State, Dept of Agriculture, etc etc). Some flunky in State rubberstamped it and her name was on the rubberstamp.

    BFD.

  52. turndownobama
    December 1st, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Of course Hillary should resign for saying she invented the internet!

    Except that Hillary didn’t really DO what she’s accused of. Her name is on ALL the cables that come out because it’s on the letterhead, dummy. She had nothing to do with this. It came from higher up (to State, Dept of Agriculture, etc etc). Some flunky in State rubberstamped it and her name was on the rubberstamp.

    BFD.

    PS. It’s not a mosque and it’s not at GZ either.

  53. Bank of America (cont)

    (All of this information got little or no play from the media. BoA’s potential insolvency was kept shoved under the rug before the mid-terms)

    as of Oct 22, 2010

    “After a quick review of its procedures, Bank of America this week announced that it will resume its foreclosures in 23 lucky states next Monday. While the evidence is overwhelming that the entire foreclosure process is riddled with fraud, President Obama refuses to support a national moratorium. Indeed, his spokesmen on the issue told reporters three key things.

    A government review of botched foreclosure paperwork so far has found that the problems do not pose a “systemic” threat to the financial system, a top Obama administration official said Wednesday.

    Yes, that’s right. HUD reviewed the “paperwork” problem to see whether it threatened the banks — not the homeowners who were the victims of foreclosure fraud. But it got worse, for the second point was how the government would respond to the epidemic of foreclosure fraud.

    The Justice Department is leading an investigation of possible crimes involving mortgage fraud.

    That language was carefully chosen to sound reassuring. But the fact is that despite our pleas the FBI has continued its “partnership” with the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA). The MBA is the trade association of the “perps.” It created a ridiculous on its face definition of “mortgage fraud.” Under that definition the lenders — who led the mortgage frauds — are the victims. The FBI still parrots this long discredited “definition.” That is one of the primary reasons why — in complete contrast to prior financial crises — the Justice Department has not convicted a single senior officer of the large nonprime lenders who directed, committed, and profited enormously from the frauds.

    Note that the Justice Department is not investigating foreclosure fraud. HUD Secretary Donovan’s statement shows why:

    “We will not tolerate business as usual in the mortgage market,” he said. “Where there have been mistakes made or errors, we will hold those entities, those institutions, accountable to stop those processes, review them and fix them as quickly as possible.”

    Note the language: “mistakes”, “errors”, “processes” (following the initial use of “paperwork”). No mention of “fraud”, “felony”, “criminal investigations”, or “prosecutions” for the tens of thousands of felonies that representatives of the entities foreclosing on homes have admitted that they committed. Note that Donovan does not even demand that the felons remedy the harm caused by their past fraudulent foreclosures. Donovan wants them to “fix” “processes” — not repair the harm their frauds caused to their victims.

    The fraudulent CEOs looted with impunity, were left in power, and were granted their fondest wish when Congress, at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce, Chairman Bernanke, and the bankers’ trade associations, successfully extorted the professional Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) to turn the accounting rules into a farce. The FASB’s new rules allowed the banks (and the Fed, which has taken over a trillion dollars in toxic mortgages as wholly inadequate collateral) to refuse to recognize hundreds of billions of dollars of losses. This accounting scam produces enormous fictional “income” and “capital” at the banks. The fictional income produces real bonuses to the CEOs that make them even wealthier. The fictional bank capital allows the regulators to evade their statutory duties under the Prompt Corrective Action (PCA) law to close the insolvent and failing banks.

    The inflated asset values allow the Fed and the administration to ignore the Fed’s massive loss exposure and allow Treasury to spread propaganda claiming that TARP resolved all the problems — at virtually no cost. Donovan claims that we have held the elite frauds accountable — but we have done the opposite. We have made the CEOs of the largest financial firms — typically already among the 500 wealthiest Americans — even wealthier. We have rewarded fraud, incompetence, and venality by our most powerful elites.

    If the government does not hold the fraudulent CEOs responsible, who is supposed to stop the epidemic of elite financial fraud? The Obama administration’s answer is the fraudulent CEOs themselves, at a time of their choosing. You can’t make this stuff up.

    But ultimately resolving the problems is not the government’s responsibility, said Michael Barr, assistant Treasury secretary for financial institutions.

    “Fundamentally, this is up to the banks and the servicers to fix,” he said. “They can fix it as fast as they feel like.”

    So who is Michael Barr and why is saying things on behalf of the Obama administration that make it appear to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of the fraudulent lenders and servicers? He’s a Robert Rubin protégé and he’s the senior Treasury official for banking policy.

    We have a different policy view. We believe that only the government can stop fraud from growing to catastrophic levels and that among the government’s highest responsibilities is to provide the regulatory “cops on the beat” with the competence, resources, courage, and integrity to take on our most elite frauds. We believe that anything less is a travesty that causes tens of millions of Americans to be defrauded and poses a grave threat to our economy and democracy.

  54. My take is this it was an existing policy left over from the Bush admin- and handed out in a boilerplate brief as standard policy. She never gave it a second thought and never saw the memo before it was forwarded to foreign policy employees.

    ==========================

    Apparently so, according to a Mark Ambinder(sp?) article on a previous thread.

  55. I hadn’t read Mark Ambinder’s article turndown-

    When the leak first broke on the morning news, Condi Rice was mentioned as the possible source of the State Dept’s guidelines with their foreign policy employees. The way the news was stated, it was SOP for the previous Republican administration. The fact that Gingrich confirmed in the video posted here, he had hoped Hillary supported the policy- as most Republicans seem to agree and support the procedure as part of the job. It seemed evident to me, the guidelines had been operational in previous years and was not a departure or anything new conceived by Hillary as Condi Rice’s successor.

  56. Mrs. Smith
    December 2nd, 2010 at 12:28 am

    I hadn’t read Mark Ambinder’s article turndown-

    ====================

    Worth looking it up. It had a lot of detail about the request, the procedure at State, what State (not Hillary) added, etc. I don’t recall it mentioning Condi Rice but I might have missed that. Iirc it did say the same request went to many Departments, including Agriculture(!)

  57. “I don’t recall it mentioning Condi Rice but I might have missed that. Iirc it did say the same request went to many Departments, including Agriculture.”
    ______________________

    You didn’t miss it- Condi Rice was just the first draft of the media attempting to explain the natural assumption of State Dept policy. When Obama stood back from offering a statement in the state dept’s defense and specifically for Hillary, the media, on cue dissipated Condi Rice into the ether never to be seen again- (there were associations between Condi and Hillary made in print in the Independent)

    I caught the Obama’s administration’s little morning scheme. A live interview between Viera and Gibbs at 7am on the Today show. You can catch the metamorphosis of Gibbs to Gates between 7:20 am to 9:29am to 11:30 where not Gibbs but Gates was reported by 11:30 in the WP to had made the statement regarding Hillary’s rendezvous with wikileaks by noontime. (I’ve recorded the progression is in this thread beginning at 7:21 this morning.) The interview and the reportage by 11:20 was nothing like the original live interview between Viera and Gibbs in the morning.

  58. The emerging trend indicates a 3 to 1 advantage for Hillary over the bots and jurnolisters . . .

    Today’s Poll Question
    Results
    Question: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Resign’ because of her diplomatic actions discovered in the cables released by Wikileaks. Should she?

    Answer Percent
    Yes
    28%

    No
    72%

  59. Some ideas here that we’ve seen in other contexts.

    (No, I’m NOT defending A/W or taking sides, just curious.)

    zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/julian-assange-and-the-computer-conspiracy-%E2%80%9Cto-destroy-this-invisible-government%E2%80%9D/

    A (partial?) listing of documents:
    h t t p : / / mirror.wikileaks.info/

  60. Allegedly from the platform Theodore Roosevelt’s Progressive Party adopted when he ran for the presidency in 1912:

    “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”

  61. Admin: Your article was soooo funny…I laughed and laughed…couldn’t comment because I was at work, but that was one great article. Spy vs. Spy LOL!

  62. If I worked in Norway and was told to wear a red bracelet when I was menustrating…I would organize every woman in the place to wear a red bracelet every freaking day…just to freak them out….those bastards….so that is where my ex-boss went to work??? LOL!

    The older I get the more I find men irritating…no doubt it was a male boss! I have also decided that you have to be young in order to put up with their freaking egos, LOL!

  63. http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/daskrapital/2010/11/30/the-definition-of-money-is-a-bit-different-in-swampland%E2%80%A6/

    Here’s what Obama had to say:
    “Today I’m proposing a two-year pay freeze for all civilian federal workers. This would save $2 billion over the rest of this fiscal year and $28 billion in cumulative savings over the next five years.”
    Two BILLION dollars…I wonder how much you would have to raise taxes on the wealthiest one percent to raise two BILLION DOLLARS over the course of the fiscal year? Crap, this can’t be right…
    A whole 0.072 percentage points!*
    [….]
    *Tax only billionaires and centimillionaires, and you could do it with an extra 0.275% in taxes at most.

  64. I think we will look back on the wikileak business is a win for Hillary. When a major republican comes out and says she should be praised for protecting the American People and there should be more people in the Obama Administration who care more about protecting the American People than being liked it becomes obvious that this is a victory for Hillary. Ouch! That one is aimed at the Messiah himself . . . Coward in chief. And Newt was saying what millions of Americans are thinking right now. And what of the nayesayers? Same assholes who tried to destroy her on the campaign trail. Those people have no honor.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2010/12/01/gingrich-wikileaks-founder-enemy-combatant

  65. Today I’m proposing a two-year pay freeze for all civilian federal workers. This would save $2 billion over the rest of this fiscal year and $28 billion in cumulative savings over the next five years.”
    ———————–
    To hell with you Bambi and your phony numbers. We saw this kind of crap in the health care debate. Figures don’t lie, but liars figure. Right Bambi? If you are serious about cutting the deficit–which is three times what it was under Bush, then prove it and unhire the 185,000 Federal employees you have hired in the past two years? Otherwise stop pretending you are something you are not, you fraud.

  66. Allegedly from the platform Theodore Roosevelt’s Progressive Party adopted when he ran for the presidency in 1912:

    “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”
    ————————-
    Ill fares the land
    To hastening ills aprey
    Where wealth accumulates
    And men decay— a slogan of the Bull Moose Party quoted by Learned Hand, Chief Judge, Second Circuit Court of Appeals who was a Teddy Roosevelt supporter in his youth.

  67. The Federal Employees will take the salary cut as long as the Wealthy take an equal salary cut in their wages. In other words if the inflation factor means the FE lose a 6% increase in Pay, (lets face it, they can project this stuff), then the Wealthy should have a tax of 6% laid on them. It has already been proven that the wealthy don’t need ths extra money for investment. They have money coming out their ears.

    Reducing the federal workforce would be justified if those were actually new jobs. However, many of those jobs were pulled in from Contractors. We went to a create contractor job phase in the last 10 years, which resulted in our paying out more money for these jobs. You have to pay the contractor OH that the federal government already has in place to provide. In addition, if you are not paying the FE overhead in the personnel area, you are paying it in the Contract management area. So pulling in these employees saves you the overhead you are paying the contractor. However, those in charge 10 years ago would not listen to logic. Now, however they are pulling those jobs back in. I am not saying don’t cut that workforce. You need to see why that job was created, and make sure they don’t slip that job back to the contractor.

  68. Just to make sure you understand what I am saying: All of us should not have the tax reduction, wealthy or middle class. I however would take it one step further. I don’t want any of their filthy hands on the money. I will pay that tax, as long as that money goes straight to debt reduction. The congressional and Presidential types will otherwise try to use the $ for pet projects. I will sacrifice, if they put every dime toward debt reduction.

  69. As far as the Federal employees go, we need to make sure that what we are cutting is really a cost reduction, and not have it result in a cost increase in another area.

  70. What outrages me is the fraud by the prisoners in our system who are filing false or fraudulant tax returns. They make sure you and I file returns, but they don’t have time to make sure that the prisoners are not filing false returns. Saw this on news last night.

    So as usual, we go after the law abiding citizen, but we don’t care about the frauds. I would think this could be easily fixed, and that money returned to the treasury.

    I guess they would deny money to too many of their friends.

  71. Some interesting stuff here as pertains to the current Middle East and to Christianity.
    To thiose here who celbrate this holidday….Happy Chanukah!

    Chanukah 2010 Guide for the Perplexed

    Yoram Ettinger, “Second Thought: US-Israel Initiative”
    December 1, 2010

    1. George Washington first learned of Chanukkah while at Valley Forge,

    Pennsylvania, 1778: “Perhaps we are not as lost as our enemies would have us believe. I rejoice in the Maccabees’ success, though it is long past…It pleases me to think that miracles still happen.”

    2. “In God We Trust” was inspired, also, by the Maccabees’ battle cry, which adopted Moses’ battle cry against the builders of the Golden Calf. A literal translation of Moses’ battle cry is “Whoever trusts G-D; join me!”

    3. The Maccabees’ sacrifice and political-incorrectness inspired Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death” and New Hampshire’s “Live Free or Die.” The Maccabees followed in the footsteps of Abraham, Phineas the High Priest, Joshua & Calev, King David and Elijah the Prophet, who walked against the grain, in defiance of the establishment and conventional wisdom.

    4. Inspiration to Benjamin Franklin’s “Rebellion against Tyrants is obedience to God.” The Maccabees were a tiny minority of “rebels” – condemned by the “loyalists/pragmatists” – rising against an oppressive super-power. They were condemned by the Jewish establishment as “enemies of peace” and “extremists.” They prevailed due to their principle-driven, determined and can-do state-of-mind and adherence to roots and long-term vision against any odds. They demonstrated the victory of the few over the many, right over wrong, moral over immoral, truth over lies, faith over cynicism and opportunism. The Maccabees became a role-model for the US’ Founding Fathers, including Paul Revere (who was referred to as a “modern day Maccabee”) and the organizers of the Boston Tea Party. They realized that no free lunches were available for freedom-seeking nations.

    5. “Chanukah has a special significance in Montana these days. In Billings in 1993, vandals broke windows in homes that were displaying menorahs. In a response organized by local church leaders, more than 10,000 of the city’s residents and shopkeepers put make-shift menorahs in their own windows, to protect the city’s three dozen or so Jewish families. The vandalism stopped” (New York Times, Dec. 4, 2009, Eric Stern, senior counselor to Gov. Brian Schweitzer).

    6. Historical context

    Alexander The Great – who held Judaism in high esteem and whose Egyptian heir, Ptolemy II, translated the Torah to Greek – died in 323BCE following 12 glorious years. Consequently, the Greek Empire disintegrated into five, and thirty years later into three, kingdoms: Macedonia, Syria and Egypt. The Land of Israel was militarily contested by Syria and Egypt. In 198BCE, Israel was conquered by the Syrian kingdom. In 175BCE, a new king assumed power in Syria, Antiochus (IV) Epiphanies, who viewed the Jews as pro-Egyptians and held Judaism with contempt. In 169BC, upon his return to Syria from a war against Egypt, he devastated Jerusalem, massacred the Jews, forbade the practice of Judaism (including the Sabbath, circumcision, etc.) and desecrated Jerusalem and the Temple. The 167BCE-launched rebellion against the Syrian (Seleucid) kingdom featured the Hasmonean (Maccabee) family: Mattityahu, a priest from the town of Modi’in, and his five sons, Yochanan, Yehuda, Shimon, Yonatan and Elazar. The heroic (and tactically creative) battles conducted by the Maccabees, were consistent with the reputation of Jews as superb warriors, who were hired frequently as mercenaries by Egypt, Syria, Rome and other global and regional powers.

    7. The Hasmonean dynasty

    *Mattityahu son of Yochanan, the priest-led rebellion – 166/7BCE

    *Yehuda the Maccabee, son of Mattityahu – 166-161BCE

    *Yonatan the Maccabee, son of Mattityahu – 161-143BCE

    *Shimon the Maccabee, son of Mattityahu – 143-135BCE

    *Yochanan Hyrcanus son of Shimon – 135-104BCE

    *Mattityahu Antigonus – 40-37BCE

    8. Key geographic Maccabee sites are located in Judea and Samaria: Mitzpah

    (also Samuel’s burial site), Beit El mountains (Judah’s first headquarters), Beit Horon (Judah’s victory over Seron), Hadashah (Judah’s victory over Nicanor), Beit Zur (Judah’s victory over Lysias), Ma’aleh Levona (Judah’s victory over Apolonius), Adora’yim (a Maccabees’ fortress), Elazar & Beit Zachariya (Judah’s first defeat), Ba’al Hatzor (Judah defeated and killed), the Judean Desert, etc. Jerusalem (beyond the “1949 Lines”) was the Capital of the Maccabees. Are the descendants of the Maccabees “occupiers” in the cradle of their own history??? Is Chanukah a holiday of “occupation,” or is it a holiday which highlights Jewish moral-high-ground in their historical land?!

    9. The legacy of Shimon the Maccabee. He succeeded Judah and Yonatan the Maccabees, while responding to an ultimatum by the Syrian emperor, Antiochus (Book of Maccabees A, Chapter 15, verse 33): “We have not occupied a foreign land; We have not ruled a foreign land; We have liberated the land of our forefathers from foreign occupation.” Thus, he responded to a super-power’s ultimatum to end “occupation” of Jaffa, Jerusalem, Gezer, Ekron and Gaza.

    10. Chanukah’s uniqueness. Chanukah is the only Jewish holiday which commemorates a Land-of-Israel national liberation struggle, unlike Passover (Exodus from Egypt), Sukkot/Tabernacles & Shavouot/Pentecost (on the way from Egypt to the Land of Israel), Purim (deliverance of Jews in Persia), etc. Chanukah is the longest Jewish holiday (8 days) with the most intense level of Light (8 consecutive nights of candle lighting).

    11. The origin of the name – Chanukah – is also education-oriented.

    According to the first book of Maccabees, Yehuda (who succeeded Mattityahu) ordered the Jewish People to observe an eight day holiday on the 25th day of the month of Kislev, 165BCE, in order to commemorate the inauguration (Chanukah, חנוכה, in Hebrew) of the holy altar and the Temple, following Syrian desecration. A key feature of Chanukah is education of the family (Chinuch, חינוך, in Hebrew). The Hebrew word, Chanukah, consists of two words, Chanu, חנו, (they rested/stationed) and Kah, כה, (25 in Hebrew), which refers to the fact that the Maccabees re-consecrated the Temple on the 25th day of the month of Kislev (purging it from the idolatries installed by the Syrians/Seleucids). Some have suggested that the celebration of Christmas on December 25th and the celebration of the New Year 8 days later (January 1) have their origin in the 25th day of Kislev (which always “accompanies” December) and the 8 days of Chanukah as well as the 8 days of circumcision.

    12. Holiday of light and remembrance. The first day of Chanukah is on the

    25th day of Kislev, the month of miracles (e.g. Noah’s Rainbow appeared in Kislev). The first and last Hebrew letters of Kislev – וכ – equal (in Jewish numerology) 26, which the total sum of the Hebrew spelling of Jehovah. Moses completed the construction of the Holy Ark on the 25th day of Kislev, as was the date of the laying the foundation of the Second Temple by Nehemaya. The 25th (Hebrew) word in Genesis is Light (OR, אור, in Hebrew).

    A Jewish metaphor for the Torah is light. The 25th stop of the People of Israel – on their way from Egypt to the Promised Land – was Hashmona (same root as Hasmoneans in Hebrew). Chanukah commemorates the victory of Light (Maccabees) over Darkness and Remembrance over Forgetfulness (the Hebrew spelling of darkness – חשכה – employs the same letters as forgetfulness – שכחה).

    13. The origin of the name, Maccabee (מכבי or מקבי). Yehuda’s middle name was Maccabee, derived possibly from the Hebrew word Makevet (מקבת), Power Hammer), which described Yehuda’s tenacious and decisive fighting capabilities. It may have derived from the Hebrew verb Cabeh (כבה, to extinguish), which described the fate of Yehuda’s adversaries. Another source of the name suggests that Maccabee, מכבי, is the Hebrew acronym of “Who could resemble you among Gods, Jehovah” (“Mi Camokha Ba’elim Adonai” מי כמוך באלים י’).

    14. Eight days of Chanukah represent divine capabilities and optimism. The ancient Temple Menorah consisted of seven branches, which commemorated the seven days of creation. The Chanukah Menorah has eight branches, reflecting the additional level of divine capabilities over and beyond human expectations: The victory of the few over the many and the lasting of one-day supply of oil for eight days. Some have suggested that the eight-day celebration was designed to make up for the holiday of Tabernacles, which could not be celebrated by the Maccabees due to their war of liberation. The shape of the digit 8 represents infinity: No end to divine capabilities to enhance human fortunes, as evidenced by the survival of the Jewish People against all odds. The root of the Hebrew word for 8 (Shmoneh, שמונה) is “oil” (Shemen, שמנ), which is also the root of “Hasmonean” (Hashmonayim, חשמונאים).

    15. Chanukah-Purim-Passover. The heroes of Passover and Purim had no choice but to defy their enemies. The Maccabees turned down the option of physical peace in return for spiritual assimilation. They refused to sellout the cradle of Jewish history. They were willing to pay any price for adherence to their roots, values and heritage.

    Chanukah symbolizes the victory of monotheism over paganism, conviction over convenience and opportunism/cynicism (sometime presented as “realism” or “pragmatism”), compassion over egotism, self-control and restraint over temptation and promiscuity, endurance over vacillation.

    .

  72. Looks like Money talked in the World Cup….Russia gets 2018 and Qatar?????????? in 2022. Fucking Hilarious, how much do you think they paid?

  73. White House scrambles to show it’s on point at fixing security leaks

    By the CNN Wire Staff
    December 1, 2010 (CNN) — The White House tapped a career counterterrorism official Wednesday to oversee government-wide efforts to fix security gaps in light of the WikiLeaks publication of classified documents.

    The appointment of Russell Travers as senior adviser for information access and security policy, along with other actions detailed in a “fact sheet” released by the White House press office, weren’t enough to satisfy the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, who said he doesn’t “sense an urgency” to close the security gaps.

    Travers has been deputy director of the National Counter-Terrorism Center since 2003 and spent the rest of his 30-plus-year career working for such intelligence agencies as the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency.

    In the new position, Travers’ tasks will include advising the president’s national security staff of recommendations, actions and other measures related to WikiLeaks’ ability to obtain government documents. He is also to study how such information is handled at high levels and develop options for any technological or policy changes necessary to prevent further leaks.

    Additionally, the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board has been directed to parse the administration’s processes for dealing with classified information, with an eye toward its effectiveness at protecting such information while balancing the need to share information with the need to secure it.

    The Office of Management and Budget has directed all agencies and departments that handle classified information to conduct extensive reviews of their procedures and policies.

    The secretaries of state and defense, Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates, respectively, have commissioned reviews of security procedures in their departments, the White House statement says. And the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is also working across the government to assist in security reviews.

    But Rep. Pete Hoekstra slammed the administration Wednesday, saying the government is not moving fast enough.

    “I still don’t sense an urgency to fix the problem,” said Hoekstra, R-Michigan.

    Hoekstra spoke to reporters after attending a high-level meeting to discuss the government computer security breach exposed by WikiLeaks.

    “I think that there are still other government databases out there that are out there that have similar types of materials that may be vulnerable to penetration … that can be downloaded by employees or by other individuals or organizations in a way that would damage American interests,” he said.

    Since this weekend, WikiLeaks has published hundreds of classified U.S. diplomatic messages, known as “cables,” and the organization says it plans to publish up to a quarter-million more.

    Members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence met behind closed doors with intelligence officials from the State Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to discuss ways to improve security.

    Hoekstra told CNN that the meeting included some frank discussion from Republicans and Democrats but said he felt that the State Department representatives were more interested in “damage control” than in getting the problem fixed.

    “It was frightening,” Hoekstra said, describing them as “arrogant.”

    Hoekstra said the White House actions are “seven to eight months late,” given that the administration had learned about the leaks in May, and he said they are not enough.

    “They’re saying that people could die because of these leaks; now, seven months later, they’re doing something about it? That doesn’t give me a great degree of confidence,” he said.

    “This is a massive government-wide problem,” he said.

    Hoekstra, who has served Michigan’s 2nd Congressional District in the House since 1993, chose not to run for re-election in 2010, instead running for governor. He lost the Republican primary to Rick Snyder, who eventually won the general election.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/01/wikileaks.us.response/

  74. NewMexicoFan,
    Its all hogwash that the rethugs call for smaller govt. to save money on the deficit….the real reason is so that can contract all this work out, thus saving money….its BS. If you dig deep enough some senator or congressman or someone high up in the govt. owns the damn company and is soaking the taxpayer for the money instead of giving a few people a good govt. job.

    They have been soaking the American public so long that people just don’t realize how they are doing it….they are nothing but glorified theives and con artists. Just like this BlackWater paid military….how is that saving us money? It doesn’t, but I can guarantee you that a bunch of Senators/Congressman or their friends owns interest in Blackwater!

  75. The Republicans are no better than the Democrats- This morning Mitch McConnell announced they are going along with the Dems on extending the Tax Cuts for the rich-

    ALL of them should burn in Hell- ALL fat cat millionaires, their money made because of their political affiliations. If anyone thinks they will go against Obama with investigations and indictments, I’ve got a bridge to sell ya!

  76. We need gallons and gallons of clorox to clean the filth out of Washington! I also think that if they keep cutting the middle class there is going to be a revolt….people are fed and are getting more informed because of the internet! We all know the media is nothing but a state sponsored mouthpiece, just like the old “Tokyo Rose”.

  77. Mrs. Smith,
    The only thing the rethugs will go after is Hillary, they’ll investigate the hell out of her.

    I guess by now everyone has realized the American taxpayers have bailed out foreign govts. and foreign banks….but the bastards can’t approve more unemployment for the people who lost their jobs because the govt. saw fit to give those jobs to China or India and here lately some have gone to the Phillipines. I don’t know why a software engineer wouldn’t want to go to work for McDonalds…do you???

    I would like to fire some of our legislature, cut their unemployment benefits and make them take a job at McDonalds…I think I’d just love that…how about you all?

  78. #

    #
    Mrs. Smith
    December 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    —–
    Going along with the Dems???? That’s rich. Do you listen to the Republicans? They have said for months they would block every single piece of Dem legislation in lame duck if the Dems refuse to extend the Bush tax cuts for the richest Americans. The Dems are going along with the Republicans, which does not exonerate them, but lets get our facts straight here. Chuck Schumer has now sided with the Repubs and only wants to increase taxes on people who make incomes of 1 million or more a year(that leaves out a whole lot of millionaires). And, what do the Republicans say? Not good enough.

    Here’s Lamar Alexander, Republican Senator from TENN:
    [Democrats want to] raise taxes on just a small number of people, most of whom live on Wall Street in New York.

    Do you get that? He’s chastising Democrats for wanting to raise taxes on that poor small lot from Manhattan. Republicans are not going to be your heros. They could care a less about the average American.

    And, WBBOEI, as I have said all along, Obama is a conservative. It would be ridiculous to fire almost 200k federal employees in this economy and not even Republicans have suggested that. Indeed, Obama has stolen their thunder by cruelly imposing this raise freeze(which with the cost of federal benefits going up 7% this year actually amounts to a pay cut). He also stole their thunder when he asked for a federal spending freeze. He’s pissing on his base at every turn and appeasing the Republicans in the process. Just wait until he signs on to that extension of the Bush tax cuts.

  79. confloyd
    December 2nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Again, who is blocking the extension of those unemployment benefits? The Republicans have said no extension without the Bush tax cuts. Now, I say the Dems need to step up, bend the rules, and get those unemployment extensions passed, so they have a hand in this, but it is the Republicans who are blocking the extension(and they won’t. They don’t really care the way Democrats did in the past). Republicans are not a friend of the working stiff. Never have been, never will be.

    And, for those like Scott Brown who say, unemployment insurance is a “disincentive” for finding work, I would just love for him to meet my uncle, life long Republican, super hardworker, farmer and factory man, who loses his benefits this week.

  80. Well, not much here this time…looks like ulsterman and the insider get into an argument. It is interesting how Nasty was able to remain in the WH….BLACKMAIL! People just can’t get that!

    …How was Reverend Wright not a big story? The media was all over it. No they weren’t. Not nearly as much as they should have been – any other candidate, they would have been. That’s not news right there – you know that, right. C’mon, admit it, the media should have destroyed Obama’s campaign right there. We all thought they would. We should have been done. The campaign was over – should have been over. It wasn’t though. Hell, they turned that whole fiasco into a -expletive- positive for Obama! It was unbelievable! We had media people rushing in to help out, to define the issue as a “learning experience”! Now just think on that one for a second – a learning experience? What we learned was that our candidate had been sitting in a Chicago church for 20 odd years listening to a man scream out against the United States. I’m sorry, but that candidate should never recover from that – but this one did.

    Read more in Opinions
    « Gay Sex Encounter Strangler JailedJulian Assange on Interpol Wanted List »That’s old news though…like most of what you are telling me. Oh really? Did you know about the McCain the Campaign thing?

    No. So there you go. Once the media proved how willing it was – how far it would go, to protect candidate Obama, what do you think it’s willing to do to protect President Obama?

    That sounds more like a statement than a question…Yeah, I guess it is. Look, I’m just trying to paint the picture here for everyone – the media already knows there’s a –expletive- storm coming at this White House, right? They see it as their job to provide cover. Make sure none of that –expletive- gets on the president’s shirt, right? Our job was to push this thing out there so they had no choice but to report on it. But then…

    But then Pelosi held on. You were wrong – she stayed on. Yeah, I was –expletive- wrong. But we ain’t talking about that today. We ain’t going there right now. Time to step away and see what happens.

    Not good enough. What?

    No…I want some answers on that. How could you have been so wrong? You told me over and over again that Pelosi was out. She’s not out. She’s still heading up the Democratic Party in the House. That seems to be a significant error on your part. Do you think? You got no idea how much of an error that is!

    But I want some more clarification on that – how were you so wrong? I told you, we are not going there today. Don’t bother askin’ because I ain’t answering. Go back to the questions we agreed to.

    Not yet. Give me an answer here. You owe me that. How were you so wrong on Pelosi? You want to say it – so just say it. I don’t want to say it. Don’t tell me what I want. We didn’t agree to this. You want this to be over? Keep on this road and we are done. Done-Done-Done.

    What are you afraid of? Everything. A White House is a pretty tough enemy, eh? You do understand that, right? Pelosi was a key – some of us thought she was the key…

    Some? As in a group of you? Move along. The next question. I want to talk about the media. That’s what we agreed to.

    No, enough about that right now. You said “some of us” thought Pelosi was the key. How many of you are involved in this? With all due respect, -Expletive- Off! Time to go. We are not getting anywhere with this. You are getting way too…aggressive with this stuff. You just don’t seem to appreciate what is really at stake here. Time to go.

    Why was Pelosi the key? You said that. So did somebody else. They agreed with you.

    What?

    I spoke with someone, and they agreed with you. Bullsh-t. You didn’t talk to anybody. Don’t shine me – don’t talk me over like that. Get the –expletive- out. I’m serious – I’m done here. This is over and done. No more. Time to go. Time – to – go…

    Just hold up, ok? Fine, no more questions about “us” or “them”, but…can you just tell me a bit about why Pelosi was a key to all of this – I assume you mean the scandal, right? My God – what is the deal here? Why are you – what are you doing with this?

    Truth. What?

    I want the truth – just a bit of it. You know way more than you are telling me. You can’t always leave me in the dark here, with a little pen light trying to figure out what you’re really trying to say. That’s what it’s like talking to you – these little hints that leave me more confused than when we started. Oh shut the –expletive- up with that. Just – that’s enough. Now you’re playing the sympathy card with me? Pelosi. Why you so hard for Pelosi? Just let it go for now.

    Tell me why Pelosi is the key. I was told she was the key – let’s see if your stories are the same. Who – did you really talk with somebody else about this? Who was it?

    You first…Why was Pelosi a key to the scandal? She wasn’t. There – no drop it. I made the whole thing up. Pelosi had nothing to do with nothing. Is that what you were told?

    No – far from it. So you tell me. You tell me then. You got the answers – you tell me!

    Why was Pelosi the key? (Slams hand on desk) Ok – ok…here it is. Now I don’t know the details – I wasn’t lying to you. I don’t know what exactly happened with this, but I got some ideas. So don’t take any of this for the gospel kid – ‘cause I don’t know for sure.

    Go ahead – let’s hear it… Look, Pelosi was GONE. She was out of there. I heard that from people who don’t make a habit out of being wrong. And she was gonna scorch the –expletive- earth on her way out, leave it all there for the taking, but be far removed from it all when it hit the fan. That was what we all thought – what we KNEW, was going to happen.

    Except it didn’t happen. No it did not. It sure as hell did not – and that sent us all scrambling. You don’t realize just how spooked we were. Pelosi was to be gone – as in quitting Congress, and then she was right back in. She was emailing her caucus demanding their support. Even then we thought she would be forced out – the White House had been telling House Democrats she had to go – she was hurting the party, the cause, whatever. The White House, Pelosi – they hated each other. It was brutal the feelings between them two. And then the White House did a 180 – pulled back and said let her stay. That was in the 11th hour. We were all caught flat footed by it. And she stays on – she gets the votes. She stays on as Minority Leader.

    So what happened? Why did the White House change course – why keep Pelosi? I don’t know. I really don’t. Our sources in Congress, anyone close enough to know…they ain’t talking. I mean nobody is saying anything. NOBODY. You know what that means?

    No – what? It means that whatever deal was made, it was big. It’s got people spooked. It means that something was offered to Pelosi, enough for her to stop with whatever thing she had over the White House. And I just don’t believe it was her being able to stay on as Minority Leader – that doesn’t seem enough. No, it was something else, had to be something else, but I just don’t know what that is. None of us do. And not knowing something like that puts everyone on edge.

    So this scandal you were talking about – is it not going to come out? Is the White House safe? I don’t know – and that’s the truth. I – Don’t – Know. That’s what’s got us all so-so, so tight. What I do know is this – said it before. You got it before…there are figures in the media who are aware of what is coming, part of what is coming anyways, and they are sitting on the story. Cramming it back under the damn cushion.

    Why? Why would they just sit on it? Is it more than just protecting Obama? Yes, no – maybe? I just don’t have that kind of detail on this. We got information that people know about something. The DOJ, then back to Chicago. That is what I’ve always told you…that was the truth. That is what we got – that is what we know. But something is going on out there – people are shutting this thing down. Why – where that directive is coming from…we don’t know. It doesn’t seem t be – the White House is not the only one…

    Soros? What? Who?

    Soros? Could the Soros organization be shutting this thing down? (shakes head) Too much Fox News for you…Soros? C’mon now…don’t drive the truck right off the conspiracy cliff again.

    So you’re saying it couldn’t be Soros? His money, his organization, his influence…he doesn’t have that kind of power over the media, the White House, the Democratic Party? No…Soros, his people – I know some…The Soros thing is way overblown. I don’t believe he’s pulling on the strings on this – that’s just bird –expletive- crazy talk. Right? C’mon now…

    So it’s not possible? Soros couldn’t bury a news story? Soros couldn’t pay off people to keep quiet? Or threaten them? Threaten you? (Laughs) Whoa – I never met the guy! I don’t know what he or they…Is he capable of that stuff? Maybe…Hell if I know.

    You started to say you know some of the Soros people. Who do you know? Ok, stop right there. Move it along now – no more on this. Get the Soros –expletive- out of your head. Don’t bring it up around me – don’t make it a part of this because…it’s as silly as the birther –expletive-.

    But you admitted the birther topic – you said you understand how people could want to question that. How Obama has spent time and money hiding something…so does that mean you could understand people wanting to know if Soros is the one trying to kill the scandal – hiding it from the public? Isn’t that – couldn’t that be a real possibility? I’m not gonna answer that.

    Are you afraid? You should be…

    Of what? Next question – no, how about this stops? This stops. Right now. I don’t wanna be responsible…

    For what? For you – just…This is done. No more. You don’t know what you are doing here with this thing. And you’re taking us way off track here – this is not what we agreed to talk about. If you want me to keep talking to you – this has got to stop. I mean it kid – no more of this.

    (Long Pause)

    So you wanted to say – you wanted to talk about how the media might not be able to protect Obama this time – the scandal…the DOJ, and back to Chicago right? What? – Yeah, yeah, well…the – if the Republicans, Issa, if they really go after this thing, they might just be able to break it open. Depends on how much has been buried away – destroyed. And there will be Republicans who try and help kill this as well – you know that, right? There are Republicans who don’t want to – who support the White House. That’s not anything new to you, right?

    That’s politics. Right – something like that. Politics…well, maybe a bit more to it than that, but that’s it – some of it…there will be Republicans who will try and kill this story too. Look, if this thing doesn’t see the light of day, it’s not my party to blame – it means your Republicans lost their nerve, got bought off – something along those lines. But if I see it going bad – watch for…there will be someone else to push this thing out there. I’m not counting on Issa – don’t trust that entirely, so there are other options with this thing – we got some options.

    Ok – I want to ask you about the Clintons – but I want to also end this with you telling the story about the First Lady – the one you told me about a while back but didn’t want printed. Do you remember that? Sure – but why? What does that have to do with any of this?

    I think it goes to the character of the White House – how they view the country, or at least certain people in the country…(interrupts) I didn’t want that printed for a reason – it doesn’t serve a purpose in any of this. I don’t see the need to share that story…

    Tell the story. What did you hear Michelle Obama say? It’s important…Don’t you tell me what is important in this – don’t you…I said no. That story doesn’t mean –expletive- in all of this. Not a damn thing.

    It is important…it gives us a reference of how this White House sees the country. That IS important. Share the story – I want you to say it. No.

    You don’t care for the First Lady, do you? No – no, what I mean…that is not an issue here. Nobody cares about that –expletive-. What has gotten into you? Who have you…

    Is the First Lady racist? So you think she’s racist? Describe what you heard – what you saw. Oh my god…

    Is Michelle Obama racist? Say it. Is she? You said it before. Say it now. Is the First Lady racist?

    YES! Ok – she is a-a-a…she is – she is what you say she is. You know what I told you. I don’t need to tell you again.

    Yes you do – and you are going to say it again. It needs to be part of this – people need to know. I’m printing that story. Say it – say the First Lady is a racist.

    Let me make this clear – I am gonna talk about the Clintons in 2012. I am gonna talk about who the Democrats don’t wanna see get the nomination for the Republicans in 2012 – that is what we agreed to talk about, right? I told you that story in private – it’s not meant to be published along with this stuff we are talking about here.

    We will talk about the Clintons, we will talk about that other stuff – and then you are going to share that story. You are going to explain – you are going to share what you saw and heard. You just said you think the First Lady is racist. I want you to explain why – I want you to share that story. You WILL share that story…

    PART THREE COMING SOON

  81. The only other thing would be is that Obama really is a democrat and a very liberal one, but he’s being blackmailed…hmmm, hmmmm! Just a thought, we know he was placed in office, so how many people have the real information on that placement??? Pelosi might since she has managed to keep her job!

    I’m just thinking out loud here folks!

  82. confloyd
    December 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    The only other thing would be is that Obama really is a democrat and a very liberal one, but he’s being blackmailed…hmmm, hmmmm!
    ——

    Come on, are you kidding me????? He’s exactly who he is. He has no core principles. He appeases Republicans at every turn. And he loathes his base.

  83. mj-

    Re-read my post at 12:19

    Thursday, December 2, 2010

    Repeat: Boehner,McConnell Slam Hse Dems For Thurs Tax Cut Vote

    By John Shaw

    WASHINGTON (MNI) – House Republican Leader John Boehner and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell Wednesday blasted House Democrats for scheduling a vote Thursday on a bill that renews the middle class portion of the Bush era tax cuts.

    At a briefing with several newly elected Republican governors, Boehner and McConnell said they are perplexed and displeased with the House vote that is set for Thursday.

    “It does undercut the bipartisan negotiations on extending the Bush era tax cuts,” Boehner said.

    He accused Democrats of “playing games” by scheduling a House vote Thursday on a bill to extend the Bush era tax cuts only for those individuals making $200,000 or less and couples making $250,000 or less.

    “It’s not going anywhere,” McConnell said, adding there is an agreement between the White House and GOP leaders on extending ALL OF THE BUSH ERA TAX CUTS!.

    The only issue, McConnell said, is “just how long that extension will be.”

    Earlier in the day, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said the House will go forward with a vote Thursday on a tax cut package that includes extending the Bush era tax cuts for the middle class.

    Hoyer said that he believes it’s important for the House to vote on a plan that extends the Bush tax cuts for individuals making up to $200,000 and couples earning up to $250,000 and includes AMT relief and other items.

    Hoyer said that this vote “should not undermine” the negotiations that have just begun between Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, White House budget director Jack Lew and four congressional negotiators.

    Hoyer said the House vote is not designed to put Republicans in a “difficult place” but to express the views of the Democratic majority that controls the House for the rest of this year.

    http://imarketnews.com/node/23297

  84. Mrs. Smith what you said was “This morning Mitch McConnell announced they are going along with the Dems on extending the Tax Cuts for the rich-“. My point stands. They are not “going along with the Dems”. It’s their plan.

  85. “He accused Democrats of “playing games” by scheduling a House vote Thursday on a bill to extend the Bush era tax cuts only for those individuals making $200,000 or less and couples making $250,000 or less.”
    _______________________________

    The Dems are blowing smoke in your face blocking your vision mj- If the WH has already agreed to extend the Tax cuts thats the way it will go down.

  86. mj, I agree, he really is a republican….where’d you all think he got the money to run against Hillary??? The rethugs gave it to him. It seems the rethugs are just covered with money to burn, since they commmonly sell out the avg. American and have done it for years….all in the of Capitalism, LOL!

  87. Mrs. Smith
    December 2nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Duh. But Republicans have been arguing for extending all of the Bush tax cuts for two years now. Surely you know this. I just said Obama is a conservative, as I have always said. But this is not a case of the Republicans going along with the Democrats. Come on. Please. They have always maintained they want those cuts extended and would fight any effort to stop them from expiring, as they have done. Look at what they said to Chuck Schumer’s approach(an approach I vehemently oppose). They said that isn’t enough. Tax cuts for every single millionaire or nothing!

  88. confloyd
    December 2nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    It came from the wealthiest people in the world. And, yes, essentially he and the Repugs stand together ready to take whatever they can from us so long as they keep the super rich happy.

  89. What I don’t get is that now Nasty is all of the sudden becoming a mouthpiece for the democrats and calling out the bullshit they are passing….who’d of thought she’d do that when she helped Obama get all the other crap thru when they had the majority….something stinks about Pelosi!

  90. mj….can we say COMBINE….the Chicago way! THey are all in it together…I think this is what the insider was pertaining to…but Ulsterman was just argueing and not letting him just cough out what he wanted to say….I believe the key to all this crap…is who paid the media off and I don’t think it was Soros….probably the Saudi’s.

  91. confloyd
    December 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Pelosi passed a ton of things that Democrats agreed to for years, that then languished in the Senate. If I had to guess, I’d bet she regrets backing the wrong horse.

  92. Mop, I thought we were thru with the Kennedy’s! Hillary hasn’t left the State house yet, so why are they already putting in jawface in her place so soon?

  93. mj-

    surely you are not that nieve and believe every single thing coming out of a Dems mouth? They took good care of us with the HCR Bill, didn’t they? They said, we will be happy with it after they’ve read it! hahaha- another joke on Americans.

    The Dems are playing a game just as McConnell said- It’s called a “ruse”- pretending they are for the working man… hahahahahaha! get it-

    *ruse* (ruːz)
    —n
    an action intended to mislead, deceive, or trick; a stratagem.

  94. mj, That’s my guess too….I was quiet surprised she has finally started doing the right thing….there might be hope for her still! She swallowed the kool-aid hard and now she knows Obama sucks. I can forgive her if she starts acting like a democrat and quit messing with Hillary.

  95. Mrs. Smith
    December 2nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    —-

    And so what game is McConnell playing? As I have said countless times, he and his cohorts have said and done everything they can to extend all of the Bush tax cuts. It’s not a secret. It’s well known fact.

  96. Pelosi only does what she wants to cover her own ass, she’s pull the plug on her childrens life support machine if she could squeeze some mileage out of it.

  97. I posted a video I think on the last thread that basically had a set of four house members talking and not realizing the mic was still on….what they were saying was….its all fixed…the lame duck…is already set up…inotherwards…a RUSE!

    We need to start handing out academy awards for these shows they put on C-span under the name of Legislative Sessions.

  98. mj
    December 2nd, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Pelosi passed a ton of things that Democrats agreed to for years, that then languished in the Senate. If I had to guess, I’d bet she regrets backing the wrong horse.

    ===============

    I tend to agree. Well, she passed a lot of things with LABELS that sounded like things the Dems had been working on, eg UHC.

    I do remember her standing up against Obama unsuccessfully when he first got in and started cutting womens benefits out of the stimulus, neutering Lily Ledbetter, etc.

    Thanks for good sense in general!

  99. Speaking of Mitch freaking McConnell, he was the one all last year that kept trying to place Hillary in the Supreme Court…inotherwards….he wants to get her somewhere to keep her quiet…so it could of been just as easy for the rethugs to of planted Wikileaks story.

    I find it so hard to believe that the crap on Hillary was one of the first things to come out of the leaks….Assauge has a quarter of million tidbits of information…yet the second or third tidbit was about Hillary! How in the world did they pick that out of the quarter of millions documents and THEN….the paid for media blew it up right on key….its all soooo convenient.

    The key to Obama’s downfall is the media…I’d bet on it!

  100. mj-

    McConnell is not playing a game. He is telling you straight. McConnell accused the Dems of playing games- showboating, they are for people making under $200,000, when we know, Obama has already agreed to extend the Bush Tax cuts including the rich, after agreeing with GOP leaders.

    What my gripe is … We do not have a legitimate opposition party. The working man does not have legitimate congressional representation in Congress.

    They are ALL corrupt from the top down.

  101. Turndown, I didn’t support the health bill at all, however the House bill was certainly better. But she passed over 100 bills of things Dems have long agreed on like DADT repeal, and cap and trade(yeah, i know for what ever reason, lots of people here have turned on cap and trade, but it is a longstanding Dem idea supported to the utmost by Hillary Clinton). Reid let virtually every bill she passed die.

  102. Mop,
    You know how corrupt our government really is….well you don’t make it to Speaker of the House without bending over a few times for the right people….if you know what I mean!

    That’s why Boehner was crying…he was missing his turn in the barrel!

  103. Mrs. Smith
    December 2nd, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    I don’t think all Democrats feel that way. Indeed, these same Democrats under Hillary would have happily let those cuts expire. But that doesn’t excuse the Republicans who have put these tax cuts for the wealthy as their most important priority.

  104. The COMBINE has patiently waited for 22 months to get in this position…..so now the f_____ing of the middle class/poor begins. It was all set up since 2007….they knew Hillary would be hard to beat and she is not into bending over for ANYONE! They know she is a true American and they hate her and Bill for it. Thankgoodness, they both are made of Kryptonite!

  105. mj,
    That’s true…that is all the freaking republicans ever talk about….tax cuts…while our bridges are falling down, we have 22% unemployment, our standing in the world has gone to crap….all I hear tax, tax and more tax.

  106. mop-

    from your article:

    “[Deval]Patrick also has the power to appoint Kennedy should the state’s senior senator, John Kerry, ever step down. Kerry has been positioning himself to serve as secretary of state if Hillary Rodham Clinton resigns.”
    __________________

    So, Kerry is still the slime he has always been… counting the days he becomes SOS and planning to install Vicky Kennedy in his seat when and if Hillary resigns…

    Well he didn’t make all those plans since the day before yesterday when Assange as well as the smarmy journalistas called for Hillary’s resignation.

    I noticed Assange was reading the message from a teleprompter/cue card in his video calling for Hillary’s resignation. Actually, the wording he used was written by a professional, an attorney. They were not the words of an altruistic, passionate man on a crusade for transparency exposing classified information to the masses.

  107. I think they all need to have “tax cuts” tatooed on their foreheads! Make it in red, so it stands for the blood the middle class will shed for them to get them.

    Sometimes I think about us poor/middleclass mothers who give their sons/daughter for wars the uber rich start to make more money for themselves and all the while they take our children, they say we are not entitled to any entitlements even though we pay for them…all they talk about is the “free market”….well its free for them…not so free for us!

  108. mj,
    Thats why I loved Admin’s article…who’s got the most goods on the other one…I bet that’s how it really is…spy vs. spy.

    Politics is a true “blood sport”!

  109. I’m sorry folks, but my true “liberal” is coming out today! I’ll try to tamp it down a bit…just in case we get a conservative poster coming on…LOL!

  110. I don’t normally post from huff & puff, but here goes…

    Pat Choate.Economist and Author
    December 1, 2010

    In Praise of Hillary Clinton

    Ironically, the Obama Administration and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in particular are the primary beneficiaries of Wikileaks’ release of 250,000 US diplomatic cables. Certainly, this was not Wikileaks intention but that is the effect.

    The cables reveal a State Department operating near top form and clearly in the best interests of the American people. Leaders in Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Mid-East nations, we learned, have repeatedly urged the U.S. to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. Apparently, those countries failed to learn one of the major lessons of the Iraq war, namely that starting a war is easy, but stopping one can be a long, deadly and costly process.

    Secretary Clinton clearly understands that those urging war will not be doing the fighting, paying and dying. Instead, she has created alliances that are pressuring Iran through various means. Interestingly, even as she negotiates, someone has been sabotaging Iran’s centrifuges and killing its senior nuclear arms makers.

    We also learned that although Turkish leaders seem to hate the Israelis, the U.S. has forged a working relationship with the two nations.

    Quietly but successfully, our diplomats have been removing prisoners from the Guantanamo Bay military prison and placing them in countries that will not automatically imprison or kill them.

    As the cables also reveal, U.S. relations with Europe have been vastly improved since the end of the Bush Administration. Who would have imagined five years ago that France would have a charismatic leader who was not only an admirer of the United States, but who even vacations here with his famous wife?

    Under Secretary Clinton’s leadership, China is now involved in efforts to control the unpredictable government of North Korea. In the most recent crisis, the bombing of a South Korean island, China took the initiative in calling for a six-power conference.

    Diplomacy is about politics and politics is ultimately about understanding other cultures and people. From these cables, we get a sense that our diplomatic personnel are very good at that and understand the countries where they are stationed. I particularly loved the comments about how a big, blond Ukrainian “nurse” always accompanies Libya’s leader. Who could have guessed that he was in such bad health?

    While some of the cables contain a subtle maliciousness when describing some foreign leaders, the cattiness is nothing compared to what happens in U.S. elections and on our cable news shows. Who could have imagined that so many foreign leaders are so delicate and sensitive?

    There is much about U.S. foreign policy and its implementation to despise, and I do. But the point is that the leaked cables reveal a corps of diplomats operating sensibly and most often in the best interests of our country. It reveals a Secretary of State who is working hard, effectively, and who is in control of U.S. foreign policy and the State Department, something no one could say about her immediate predecessors.

    Indeed, if Mrs. Clinton performs as well in the next two years as she has in the prior two, she will be the most effective Secretary of State of our era.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pat-choate/in-praise-of-mrs-clinton_b_790787.html

  111. Yep. Bambi will help Biden but Hillary is on her own.

    The following article is quite snide, but if anyone is interested in purchasing, I am posting it.

    ——————
    Hillary Clinton, Trying to Retire Campaign Debt, Sells DVD of Speeches

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton — still saddled with debt from her 2008 presidential campaign — may have that perfect holiday gift for you: a $50 DVD of the speeches she and former President Bill Clinton delivered at the Democratic National Convention in Denver (where Barack Obama accepted the nomination she had coveted).

    And if you really want to make it special: For a contribution of $250 or more, you can get a DVD autographed by Hillary herself.

    In an e-mail sent out on Thursday, the sales pitch for the DVD used one of Clinton’s memorable lines from her Denver speech: “You never gave in. You never gave up. And together, we made history.”

    “Do you remember Hillary’s speech at the Democratic National Convention?” it continued. “It was an historic moment, one that made all of us proud. If you missed the first opportunity to buy a DVD of her speech, you are in luck. We have a few of our special edition 2008 National Democratic Convention DVDs left, and we want to share them with you.”

    According to the Sept. 15 Clinton presidential campaign filing with the Federal Election Commission, her outstanding debt is $479,010 to the firm Penn, Schoen Berland, founded by Clinton’s onetime main consultant, Mark Penn. Penn was sidelined a bit near the end of the campaign. The debt is listed as consulting, polling and mailing expenses.

    After losing the sometimes bitter primary race, Clinton asked for help from Obama’s fundraising machine to retire her debt. The Obama crew did help a little, but not enough, in eyes of the Clinton folks. But as president, Obama did name Clinton secretary of state.

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/02/hillary-clinton-trying-to-retire-campaign-debt-selling-dvd-of/

  112. MOP,
    All this pomp and circumstance, while they are cutting unemployment benefits just before Christmas on millions of Americans….doesn’t seem like the economy has affected the WH or the VP house, huh?
    Their all rich…why don’t they give up their salaries for a year…that should help the deficit plenty! How about NO TRIPS for a while, no dinner parties, no concerts with McCartney! Ya think that might help a little? What do they want to cut the 400 a week for the people who lost their jobs from the uber rich outsourcing their jobs.

  113. confloyd
    December 2nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    I think they all need to have “tax cuts” tatooed on their foreheads!
    __________________________

    When their mailers come asking for donations, send it back with a note; “if you had given us a tax break, we may have considered it. You didn’t, we won’t.”

  114. JanH,
    What a great article from HuffPo….boy have they changed!

    I feel bad about Hillary’s debt…you’d think the asshole would give her the money. That speech is not one of my favorites, but I think I’ll send her some money soon though!

  115. Gotta go to work…I’m so thankful for this job….I’m so thankful for this job! LOL! I really am, but I wish I could get the paycheck without going….well the govt. does, right?

  116. the leaked cables reveal a corps of diplomats operating sensibly and most often in the best interests of our country. It reveals a Secretary of State who is working hard, effectively, and who is in control of U.S. foreign policy and the State Department, something no one could say about her immediate predecessors.

    Indeed, if Mrs. Clinton performs as well in the next two years as she has in the prior two, she will be the most effective Secretary of State of our era.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pat-choate/in-praise-of-mrs-clinton_b_790787.html

    ========================

    Very sensible! As with the ‘climategate’ emails, a massive amount of correspondence brings forth only a mouse that must be re-labeled to make it a negative. (In this case, Hillary’s name on a letterhead forwarding a Bush era boilerplate memo that went to all Departments (Agriculture, etc) ).

    Hm. I’m reminded of $50 million dollars and much wordage that found only a blowjob.

  117. turndownobama
    December 1st, 2010 at 11:23 pm
    Interpol has put Assange on its most-wanted list after Sweden issued an arrest warrant against him as part of a drawn-out rape probe involving allegations Assange has denied.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&

    Isn’t he a person of good character???

    Heh, heh.

    nytimes.com/2010/12/02/world/europe/02assange.html

    Interpol Called for Arrest of WikiLeaks Founder
    ====================

    By JOHN F. BURNS and ALAN COWELL
    Published: December 1, 2010

    LONDON — For nearly two weeks, Interpol has been circulating a broad international call for the arrest of Julian Assange, the founder of the WikiLeaks whistle-blowing organization, to face questioning about alleged sex crimes, Interpol said on its Web site on Wednesday.

    Also on Wednesday, WikiLeaks accused Amazon.com of ending an agreement to host its Web site. Amazon hosts the sites of many companies and organizations as part of its Amazon Web Services program.

    In a statement issued from its headquarters in the French city of Lyon, Interpol, the international police agency, said that it had issued its call on Nov. 20, two days after Swedish prosecutors won court approval for a warrant that Interpol could circulate, and that it had only now received Sweden’s authorization to make its action public.

    The whereabouts of Mr. Assange, 39, is unknown, but the sequence suggested that if he had wanted to flee Britain, his last known location, without being arrested, he might have had to do so within 48 hours of the Swedish court ruling.

    The developments came as several newspapers, including The New York Times, published confidential documents obtained by WikiLeaks and made available from a mass of some 250,000 diplomatic cables from the State Department, including communications concerning American policy toward Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and many other countries.

    In a message posted on Twitter, WikiLeaks said its servers at Amazon had been “ousted,” adding that its money would now be spent “to employ people in Europe.”

    An hour and a half later, WikiLeaks continued the attack, saying, “If Amazon are so uncomfortable with the first amendment, they should get out of the business of selling books.” WikiLeaks then posted a link to its donations page, with an appeal to “Keep WikiLeaks strong.”

    Amazon did not immediately respond to requests for comment about any business relationship with WikiLeaks.

    Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, an independent of Connecticut, said Amazon had stopped hosting the WikiLeaks site on Wednesday after being contacted by the staff of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Staff members had asked Amazon to explain its business relationship with WikiLeaks, which Senator Lieberman, the committee’s chairman, had criticized for publishing sensitive government documents.

    “I wish that Amazon had taken this action earlier, based on WikiLeaks’s previous publication of classified material,” Senator Lieberman said in a statement. “The company’s decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material.”

    Senator Lieberman called on any other company that is hosting WikiLeaks’s Web site to stop immediately, saying that its “illegal, outrageous, and reckless acts have compromised our national security and put lives at risk around the world.”

    “No responsible company — whether American or foreign — should assist WikiLeaks in its efforts to disseminate these stolen materials,” he said. “I will be asking Amazon about the extent of its relationship with WikiLeaks and what it and other Web service providers will do in the future to ensure that their services are not used to distribute stolen, classified information.”

    The Swedish prosecutor’s office said almost two weeks ago that a court in Stockholm had approved its request for the arrest of Mr. Assange to face questioning on suspicion of “rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion” — charges that he has strongly denied and that WikiLeaks has dismissed as “dirty tricks” meant to punish him for his organization’s work. Appeals by Mr. Assange to suspend the warrant have been unsuccessful.

    The accusations were first made against Mr. Assange after he traveled to Sweden in mid-August and had brief relationships with two Swedish women.

    According to accounts they gave to the police and friends, each had consensual sexual encounters with Mr. Assange that became nonconsensual. Mr. Assange has portrayed the relationships as consensual and questioned the veracity of the women’s accounts.

    A spokesman for Scotland Yard said the force had received “no intelligence” that Mr. Assange, an Australian, was still in London, and that while the Interpol alert did not compel the British police to hunt for him, “if that intelligence comes in, or we have reason to believe that a person who has a Red Notice out on them is in a certain location, we will find them and extradite them as per the international rules.”

    Unconfirmed reports on Wednesday, attributed to WikiLeaks associates, said Mr. Assange was staying out of sight outside London. The cellphones of two close associates of Mr. Assange seemed to be switched off, with recorded messages saying their owners were outside Britain.

    A Web report by the British newspaper The Guardian, which has developed close ties with Mr. Assange in the months that The Guardian, The Times and other publications have been preparing articles based on the documents obtained by WikiLeaks, said Tuesday that Mr. Assange was “in a secret location somewhere outside London with fellow hackers and WikiLeaks enthusiasts.”

  118. I’m not following this Wikileaks thing very closely, but if these State ‘cables’ that are said to reflect on Hillary are the ‘third’ thing that the US press has publicized, that does not mean it is the third ‘leak’ that Wikileaks has posted. Apparently they have been posting a lot of things from other countries that our media has ignored.

  119. rgb44hrc
    December 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    =============

    Yeah, right on cue. Right along there with Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick.

    I already posted a quote from Assange’s lawyer and a more detail Yahoo story on this.

  120. OBAMA LIKE *RUNNING* FOR PRESIDENT…BUT DOES HE LIKE DOING THE JOB???

    Ummmm, no.

    That would entail “work”, and “effort”. He really hasn’t had much use for those in the past, and he is acclimating very well, is he?

    In this piece, Obama is referred to as “arguably one of the smartest American presidents to sit in the Oval office” (yes, I could argue against THAT one) and “policy-wonk-in-chief” (puh-lease, the man doesn’t care to know about the contents on the bills he advocates and signs; he’s no Bill or Hillary or Al).

    Still, quotes like this are on the mark:

    “Is it possible that Barack Obama could choose to become a one-term president? That he might have found the strain on his body, his personal life and his self-image is just not worth the pain? That he doesn’t love the job that much?”

    “Watching the body language of the president and hearing the weariness in his voice, one can’t help but think he is tired, frustrated and becoming a bit disengaged. He seems to be a man who is not especially happy in his job.”

    One commenter takes a nice swipe at the author’s kid glove treatment of Zerobama:

    This article was a waste of space with a misleading title. It was mainly a defense of Obama. The writer is a public relations/advertising flack; i.e. a hired gun propagandist. It would be nice to know if he has been hired to prop up Obama’s image. If so, that should have been made clear up front.

    thehill.com/opinion/columnists/ben-goddard/131503-maybe-no-encore-in-2012

    Maybe no encore in 2012
    =======================

    By Ben Goddard
    12/01/10 06:13 PM ET

    Years ago as a young political media consultant I would spend hours in the dark space behind the one-way glass of focus-group facilities furiously writing down what everyone said. At the end of the night I’d have pages of contradictory and often confusing quotes from the “real people” on the other side of the glass. One night a pollster with far more experience than I had told me to “listen to the music, not the words.” I took that advice and soon discovered that I had far fewer scribbles on legal pads, no writer’s cramps and a much better understanding of what voters were actually thinking at the end of the night.

    Since the closing days of the midterm elections I’ve been heeding that good advice while watching a president and a White House still trying to get their bearings after the “shellacking” taken by the president and his party. Barack Obama is saying all the right words — talking about increased cooperation with Republicans and a consensus approach to developing policy, and even skirting the edges of apologizing for his contribution to the divisive partisan atmosphere that has pervaded Washington the past two years.

    Those are the words. The music — it seems a little different. Watching the body language of the president and hearing the weariness in his voice, one can’t help but think he is tired, frustrated and becoming a bit disengaged. He seems to be a man who is not especially happy in his job — someone frustrated with the inability of the media, leaders of his own party and especially the voters to comprehend what he has accomplished in two very difficult years.

    Yes, we are in tough economic times, and there are still far too many Americans who don’t have jobs. But, from the West Wing, it must seem like the nation has, at a minimum, averted economic disaster. Yes, the banks were bailed out and the wealthy were protected — but so were thousands of jobs at GM and Chrysler, and one of America’s oldest companies is back on its feet, making profits and winning investor and consumer confidence back.

    Healthcare reform, a challenge that has frustrated presidents for half a century, is finally accomplished. No, everyone didn’t get what he or she wanted, but, in a democracy, who ever does? Sure, “ObamaCare” became a prime target in the off-year congressional elections, but Republican threats of a repeal are unlikely to succeed if for no other reason than that President Obama still wields a veto pen. As with other sweeping social reforms in American history, it is likely that opinions on this president’s health plan will improve among voters over the years ahead and history will give Obama and the Democrats good marks for eventually doing something about our healthcare crisis, even though it is likely to be changed and tweaked and probably weakened in this Congress or the next.

    As for the economy generally — there is no doubt the unemployment rate is too high and will likely remain so for at least half a dozen years. America still carries too much debt. The global economy is seriously troubled and the danger of economic collapse continues to threaten European nations where taxes are too high, benefits too generous and revenues too far behind expenditures. But there are good signs. Thanksgiving retail sales were strong and people look to be willing to spend money this holiday season. Hiring is finally creeping up. Economists are looking more optimistic — although voters don’t pay much attention to the views of experts many see as having a hand in the financial mess we’re still struggling through.

    So if you were arguably one of the smartest American presidents to sit in the Oval office, you too might be a little frustrated by your job reviews. “Just what is it about progress you people don’t understand?” might be your reaction. Or “Just let me do my job!” you might grouse after another day of critics snapping at your heels. A man who likes being policy-wonk-in-chief more than playing glad-handing politician might begin to wonder if it were all worth it.

    Listening to the music, I find myself wondering if we’re hearing a swan song — if the next two years are about scoring a foreign policy victory or two and then exiting. Is it possible that Barack Obama could choose to become a one-term president? That he might have found the strain on his body, his personal life and his self-image is just not worth the pain? That he doesn’t love the job that much? The president and his staff are saying the right words — but the tune is just a little off. We’ll just have to see if the only one who can end this performance decides one show is enough.

  121. confloyd-

    “I feel bad about Hillary’s debt”
    ______________________

    Don’t feel too bad- Did you see who it is waiting to get paid? Mark (oh, I could have been working for the president of Columbia)Penn…

  122. Our Congress-critters can’t BAIL US OUT- But, taxpayers are expected to BAIL-OUT EUROPE!
    ___________________________________

    U.S. ready to back bigger EU stability fund-official (US Taxpayers to Bail Out Europe)

    Wed Dec 1, 2010

    BRUSSELS Dec 1 (Reuters) – The United States would be ready to support the extension of the European Financial Stability Facility via an extra commitment of money from the International Monetary Fund, a U.S. official told Reuters on Wednesday.

    “There are a lot of people talking about that. I think the European Commission has talked about that,” said the U.S. official, commenting on enlarging the European stability fund. “It is up to the Europeans. We will certainly support using the IMF in these circumstances.”

    “There are obviously some severe market problems,” said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. “In May, it was Greece. This is Ireland and Portugal. If there is contagion that’s a huge problem for the global economy.”

    While reluctant to dictate to Europe how it should address the unfolding debt crisis, the U.S. government is growing increasingly concerned about the global fallout of Europe’s debt crisis. A U.S. Treasury envoy has been sent to Europe for talks.

    The IMF, whose biggest single shareholder is the United States, has now contributed 250 billion euros or one third of the EFSF financial rescue mechanism.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRU01118320101201

  123. Mrs. Smith,
    That’s what I’m talking about, the repubs and the dems have no problem giving our money to overseas banks, but can’t approve 400 a week for those out of work americans….There are lots of 60 year olds that have college degrees that are out of work…you know they paid there taxes, but now they are being asked to be a WalMart greeter or work for McDonald’s. THe thing that bothers me the most is that these blue bloods in Washington who have stole the American people blind…could care less! It’s call capitalism….

  124. confloyd
    December 2nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Well said, confloyd-

    The former Middle Class will be labeled the
    (new) Working Poor. Because that is where this is
    all going.

  125. Obama’s real job from his real corporate backers was to block Hillary and to block any sincere Dems from getting anything done. He’s doing fine at that. It includes prestending to be sad. Throw the fight, and look like a loser while you’re doign it.

  126. Wikileaks gives kind of a retraction. They blamed Hillary and it was’nt, it was the CIA. They need to apologize.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables-cia-united-nations

    WikiLeaks cables: CIA drew up UN spying wishlist for diplomats (it was not Hillary) They correct themselves in a roundabout way.

    The Guardian has learned that the intelligence shopping list is drawn up annually by the manager of Humint (human intelligence), a post created by the Bush administration in 2005 in a push to better co-ordinate intelligence after 9/11.

    The manager of Humint sets out priorities for the coming year and sends them to the state department. The actual form of words used in the diplomatic cables is written by the state department, based on the CIA’s list of priorities.

    The cables are tailored for each embassy, such as the US mission to the UN.

    The list of priorities, though co-ordinated by the manager of Humanint, is drawn up with input from all US intelligence agencies, including intelligence analysts at the state department.

  127. moononpluto
    December 2nd, 2010

    Emmm… too bad for old ‘flip-flop’- mothball the Secretary of State position indefinately. Cancel Vicky Kennedy’s senate aspirations…

    No, Hillary- Kerry can’t see you thumbing your nose at him- but we can- 😆

  128. es-cia-united-nations

    WikiLeaks cables: CIA drew up UN spying wishlist for diplomats (it was not Hillary) They correct themselves in a roundabout way.

    The Guardian has learned that the intelligence shopping list is drawn up annually by the manager of Humint (human intelligence), a post created by the Bush administration in 2005 in a push to better co-ordinate intelligence after 9/11.

    The manager of Humint sets out priorities for the coming year and sends them to the state department. The actual form of words used in the diplomatic cables is written by the state department, based on the CIA’s list of priorities.

    ======================

    Yep. Fits with Ambinder’s article on a previous thread.

    But the soundbyte accusation agains tHillary will go on and on, supported by obscure out of context details … like the soundbyte accusation against the climate change scientists, even after the original accusation was debunked.

  129. “How about a WikiLeaks on all the missing Obama records?”

    Not through WikiLeaks. But they are coming. Sooner than you think.

    And they will reveal as much about Hopium Workers as the Hopium Dealer himself.

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