The Age Of Fake In Full Bloom

Is everything fake now? Is anything really “real” anymore? Oh yeah, there’s real death and real rocketry and real danger in the Korean Peninsula produced by a Fake leader in North Korea and a naive flim-flam man in Washington, D.C.. But what about in America? Is anything real in America? Or rather is there no sphere of life left untouched by fakery in post-Obama America?

Since the moment we named the post-Obama apocalypse “The Age Of Fake” the label rings truer with every passing day. From the mundane to the significant we are in the Obama Age Of Fake. Let’s start with the mundane.

Dancing With The Stars

We view “reality shows” and televised “contests” and “professional wrestling” with the same disdain as soiled diapers – we know they are there but we want nothing to do with them. It is with a degree of self-loathing that we violate our intent never to discuss the Bristol Palin appearances on a show called “Dancing With The Stars“. But the situation with that show has become such an example of FAKE that we feel compelled to comment.

This past weekend the hysteria over this fake dancing show reached such a high level of discussion and hypocrisy that it is impossible to ignore any longer. We do know that many people enjoy these “reality”, “contest”, “wrestling” shows. We have no problem with anyone enjoying entertainments we find substandard. But in order to enjoy these fake “reality/contests/wrestling” shows the viewer must indulge in the “willing suspension of disbelief”

All the TV shows that bill themselves as “reality” shows or contests or “professional wrestling” are carefully choreographed entertainments in which the manipulations by producers create the entertainment. The “voting” by the public for these shows as well as the “judges” are all props in the hands of wily producers designed to hook the viewer one way or the other.

Imagine our paralysis when we read repeated articles by Obama supporters outraged by Bristol Palin’s appearance on the dance contest. It was as if we had been hit with the Cruciatus Curse.

The very websites and people who implored votes for celebrity Obama, the very same people who declared Obama the best choice in the 2008 primaries because he was a “media darling”, the very same people who promoted a candidate without any experience or ability in his field of competition – are now upset because a celebrity candidate without any dance experience is getting votes based on the popularity of her mom.

“Brandy got robbed” wailed these hypocrites. Somehow the reason (hint: viewers) escapes these dolts. Bristol Palin got invited to participate in the show because she brought what the producers wanted: eyeballs. These shows are designed to attract viewers not to promote “the best” or “talent”.

The moaning and groaning by the hypocrites is sure to continue until the current “competition” ends. It will do no good to complain about a “politicized” dance show contest while an unqualified, inexperienced, celebrity sits in the Oval Office. It’s little wonder that so many are saying “Vote Palin” to “Make An Obot Cry“.

TSA Fake Security

Dr. Ben Franklin saidThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” In the case of the TSA comedy reality shows at many airports around the country the security is utterly FAKE.

Little girls and little boys searched as if they are prison inmates (the boy in the video below had already undergone a metal detector). Adult women groped like Arnold Schwarzenegger dates. Adult men learning what it is like to be adult women.



It’s fake security in a land that is increasingly less “the land of the free and the home of the brave.” What is needed is selective profiling of the Tim McVeigh’s, the Islamic Jihadists, the lonely nuts, and the just plain nuts.

The Fake News

It is simply too late for Big Media to now write articles about the Obama Dimocrats, the white working class and the Cult of Obama. Elenor Clift is simply too late with too little. Her latest on the Cult Of Obama and the damage done is simply too too late. It’s too fake because it is so late:

“Democrats got the lowest share of the white vote in this midterm election than in any congressional election since World War II, losing key races in Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Michigan, and every contested election in Ohio, which spells trouble for President Obama’s reelection. No Democrat can win the White House without these Midwestern swing states, and they are all decimated by job losses that Obama has offered no road map to recover. [snip]

Part of Obama’s problem is that there’s too much hero worship around him, and that translates into a reluctance to fault him for anything, except maybe that he didn’t make a good enough case for all the wonderful things he’s done. [snip]

In his post-election press conference, Obama said there must be easier ways to learn the hard lessons of politics than getting the shellacking he and the Democrats got. There are, and if his aides weren’t so in love with him and wrapped up in the idea of him as a transformational president, they might have seen this coming. Obama’s problems with white working-class voters surfaced during the primaries, when he lost West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio to Hillary, and those problems could prove lethal in 2012 not only for Obama but for the five Democratic senators who are up for reelection in the Midwest and the Rust Belt.

Obama is an undefined figure to much of the country, and to his fellow Democrats. Though he’s portrayed as a liberal, it’s not clear what he’ll fight for, and he keeps that deliberately vague, perhaps hoping to deliver on the post-partisan promise his election represented.

It’s too late. It’s FAKE. All this phony baloney “analysis” in 2010 about what was obvious in 2007. It’s fake “cover your ass” analysis from phonies who either did not know and therefore should not be listened to or did know and kept quiet.

Fake On Fake On Fake

We started with the mundane, dance contests on TV. We end with Fake meetings and Fake denials. The New York Times which propagandized for the Fake in Washington published yesterday about more fakery:

“A man leading the Taliban side of peace talks with the Afghan government was an impersonator, an Afghan close to the negotiations said Tuesday, an embarrassing revelation for Afghan officials who have promoted reconciliation efforts as the best chance for ending the war.

Quickly moving to do damage control, President Hamid Karzai dismissed the reports as “propaganda,” saying neither he nor any other members of his government had ever met with a man named Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour — one of highest ranking members of the Taliban council leading the insurgency.

The report about the impostor first appeared in The New York Times and the Washington Post.

An Afghan familiar with the reconciliation efforts, speaking confirmed that a delegate claiming to be Mansour “was a fraud.” He spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to jeopardize his contacts with both sides.”

Oh, and they paid Mansour to attend the meetings as well as flew the fake on NATO aircraft.

Book Mansour on Dancing With The Stars. Team him up with Obama. They can dance and get all the applause they desire. Then the Obama enablers can vote for the fakes. We won’t watch.

We want the Obama reality show canceled. We’ve had enough of fakes.

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218 thoughts on “The Age Of Fake In Full Bloom

  1. I am waiting for Bristol Palin to win DWTS and then watch with glee the heads of idiots like Sally Quinn explode. For a nice take down of that idiot and her WAPO article read Althouse. In the WAPO article Quinn admits to voting on all her 6 phone lines and her cell but wails against the little people who use multiple email addresses to vote. The stupid person that she is, she does not know what she she does not know. She is disgusting.

  2. Admin: I’ll have to read your post later as its time to go to work…looks interesting.

    I just have to mention that Fox just said Bambino was awoken at 3:45 am to discuss the Korean problem…..Gee whiz…that was a scary thought…this could be why we’ve heard nothing from the WH until 12 hrs later.

  3. http://pumapac.org/2010/11/22/make-an-obot-cry/

    . It’s just too damn fun not to take advantage of the hysterical and absurd apoplexy exhibited by Obots over anything Palin. “She has no talent!!! It’s rigged!!” they all cry and whine. Waah waah waah, Jackasses. When you morons pulled the same trick on the rest of the goddamned country and blindly supported an inexperienced, no-talent empty suit you didn’t help him win a meaningless little trophy . . .

  4. The Buerkle win gives the GOP a gain of six House seats from New York, the most of any state. (Ohio and Penn. both had 5)

  5. It’s fake security in a land that is increasingly less “the land of the free and the home of the brave.” What is needed is selective profiling of the Tim McVeigh’s, the Islamic Jihadists, the lonely nuts, and the just plain nuts.

    We want the Obama reality show canceled. We’ve had enough of fakes.

    High fives Admin! *****

    Great post.

  6. jeswezey
    November 23rd, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    I think you need to re-read your posts before you fling the usual arrows. They will default, in time, their socialist programs for all. They are running out of money and jobs. That whole middle eastern immigration thing did not work out so well. And yes, it is money that makes the world go round and when one group does most of the making, and the other all the sharing, bound to fail.

  7. Oh look actual adults round the table at last

    Big White House meeting at 4pm on North Korea — includes Secretary of State Clinton, Def Sec Gates, Adm Mullen, more than dozen others

  8. I heard congress was except from the fondling…too bad. I think all those plastics in her face would set off the alarm. I would pay to see that.
    *******************

    Nancy Pelosi to fly commercial

    As minority leader, Nancy Pelosi will no longer use military planes. |
    By JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 11/23/10 10:16 AM EST Updated: 11/23/10 1:03 PM EST

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will give up more than just the majority in the next Congress — she’ll be stripped of her right to use military aircraft.

    Since becoming speaker in 2007, Pelosi has used Air Force jets for flights back to her San Francisco district. But once she becomes minority leader, Pelosi will be flying commercial, just like her congressional colleagues and most voters, her office told Politics Daily.

    Only the speaker is afforded the right to use the military aircraft, Pelosi’s office told POLITICO.
    “Wow, POLITICO. New low,” said Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill, adding, “this is not news to anyone.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45525.html#ixzz168jFAikg

  9. The very websites and people who implored votes for celebrity Obama, the very same people who declared Obama the best choice in the 2008 primaries because he was a “media darling”, the very same people who promoted a candidate without any experience or ability in his field of competition – are now upset because a celebrity candidate without any dance experience is getting votes based on the popularity of her mom.
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    Politics aside, these left wing bloggers and big media types who look at him and demand to know over over and over again if Hillary will run, and try in their own pathetic way to trash Sarah Palin when reason and common sense should tell them their ire and cheap shots only make her stronger–like FDR said I do not care what they say about me just spell the name right, and in her these goddamn fools validate everything she says with the way they attack her and all the do in the process is make themselves the kind of condescending elitists who ordinary people hold in complete and utter contempt. Southerby keeps telling them this but the refuse to leeeesin. Why? Because they are disfunctional neurotics who know they are losing.

  10. Obama, 10/08: We can handle North Korea with “aggressive, sustained, and direct bilateral and multilateral diplomacy.”

    fast forward 11/23, oh look South Koreas on fire, hows that working out for us Barky.

  11. MOp, They said they Adm. Mullen woke Bambino up this morning at 3:45 am…lets hope they had Hillary and Gates on speaker phone. The thought of that pile of crap handling NK is downright frightening.

    Glad to hear that I won’t be paying for Nasty’s jet fuel anymore…I wonder if she also lost her rights to the GreyGoose Vodka too??? I am sick of paying for that too!

  12. This is funny, the guy renting Rahms house in Chicago is refusing to move out early and has filed to run for Mayor using that address meaning Rahm cannot use that address as his residence.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/what-to-watch-for/the-ins-and-outs-of-the-rahm-e.html?wprss=thefix

    As far as physical presence goes, Emanuel lived in Washington from 2009 until last month, when he moved back to Chicago to kick off his mayoral bid. He has owned a four-bedroom home on Chicago’s North Side since 1998, but — as has been well-documented by the Chicago press – he has been renting the home since 2009 to a tenant who refused to end his lease early and let Emanuel move back into the house. (As it happens, the tenant, Rob Halpin, has also jumped into the mayor’s race; he submitted 20,000 signatures on nominating petitions Monday.) Emanuel, meanwhile, is now living in a condo on the city’s west side.

  13. gonzotx: “They will default, in time, their socialist programs for all.”

    Well that’s the ideological content of your nonsense. I explained the retirement situation, akin but not identical to that of Social Security in the states. Am I to conclude that you’re against Social Security? Because it’s “for all”?

    As for the other “socialist programs”, you can bet your ass they’re not going to default. The health care system is going just fine. Sorry if it’s “for all”, and not just for the healthy few.

    “They are running out of money and jobs.”

    No, they’re not. Granted, the retirement system will be facing a dire situation in a few years if nothing is done about it now. One of the solutions to the retirement squeeze is to ween off pay-as-you-go and create funds that will create the jobs of the future plus interest for retirement. That’s long to explain, but it is one approach that is being looked into now.

    “That whole middle eastern immigration thing did not work out so well.”

    Where do you get that idea?

    “And yes, it is money that makes the world go round and when one group does most of the making, and the other all the sharing, bound to fail.”

    Well, that is indeed the basic problem with pay-as-you-go retirement and it is also the reason why the French (and the whole EU) are looking for and finding solutions.

    But no need to worry for the US: (1) There is a reserve fund; (2) Payments are not generous and COLAs have been curtailed; (3) Life expectancy is falling, especially thanks to health care for the few. Wonderful.

  14. I can see it now, Woke Bambi up, wanna bet Adm Mullen called Hillary first, then Bambi and then Bambi told him to go away, he was tired and call Hillary and then Adm Mullen said, “You think i didnt already”

  15. Confloyd, she’ll be knocking up moonshine in her poor little minority leaders office now. She’s that cheap.

  16. I just heard from someone that Sarah Palin attacks Hillary Clinton in her new book. Does anyone know anything about this? I guess it was on the Today Show this morning, trying to see if I can find a link.

  17. Obama’s idea of foreign policy . . . . . he is a fucking idiot . . . there is no other word to describe him. Except maybe traitor. Yes, that works too.

    The Obama administration has a message for the world. The message is something along these lines: The United States is very bad, but Barack Obama is very good. He seeks to redeem America from its evil. Eye on the UN has compiled the disgusting video below of the United States abasing itself before some of the most reprehensible regimes in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuB9UeQJVwM&feature=player_embedded#!

  18. I just heard from someone that Sarah Palin attacks Hillary Clinton in her new book. Does anyone know anything about this? I guess it was on the Today Show this morning, trying to see if I can find a link.
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    The Today Show? Consider the source.

  19. Here is the link: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/40332937#40332937

    Palin makes some remark about Hillary’s “bra-burning militancy” and then goes after Hillary about the “baking cookies” remark from 1992. 🙄 The Today show could be doing out of context quoting, I guess I may have to make a trip to the bookstore to see for myself, but from what we so far, not a good move by Palin, imo. I hope she is not tacking too hard to the right now in order to increase her appeal to her base.

  20. Moon

    I can see it now, Woke Bambi up, wanna bet Adm Mullen called Hillary first, then Bambi and then Bambi told him to go away, he was tired and call Hillary and then Adm Mullen said, “You think i didnt already”

    ———
    I can just see Hillary, up at the crack of dawn, marching down the hallway to wake Barry up…banging on the door, telling him he missed the 3 AM call and to get his skinny ass up out of bed and come to the meeting downstairs.

  21. Recount ordered for MN-Gov race…

    The Associated Press reports that Minnesota’s canvassing board is ordering a recount in the state’s closely contested gubernatorial race between Mark Dayton (D) and Tom Emmer (R).

    Certified vote counts show Dayton with a less than 9,000-vote lead, which is within the half point margin needed to force a recount under state law. The recount will start Monday and finish by mid-December; the new governor is to take office on Jan. 3.

  22. Shadowfax, you really can just see it can’t you, I bet you Bambi slept in and let minions deal with it. I can’t see him getting out of bed for anything less than Larry Sinclair.

  23. Fifth Dimension

    First, consider that the link is on msnbc and came from Good Morning America.

    I will give the benefit of the doubt to Sarah unless she really attacks Hillary.

    I don’t think she would do it, but if she did………I would turn on Sarah in a New York minute.

    ———-
    How perfect of the misogynists, to get women to fight over their two best candidates so the men can push some idiot into the general election.

  24. Even as he returns from Kokomo, Indiana, where he talked about the economy and domestic issues, President Obama and the White House continue their behind-the-scenes focus on North Korea’s attack on South Korea.

    President Obama is still expected to phone South Korean President Lee Myung-bak upon returning to the White House.

    Meanwhile, in the White House Situation Room at this hour, officials are gathering to discuss the rogue regime.

    These include:

    * National Security Adviser Tom Donilon;
    * Vice President Biden’s National Security Adviser Tony Blinken;
    * Secretary of State Hillary Clinton;
    * Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg;
    * Secretary of Defense Robert Gates;
    * Deputy Secretary of Defense Michele Flournoy;
    * US Ambassador to the United Nations Dr. Susan Rice (via secure video teleconference);
    * Director of National Intelligence James Clapper;
    * Deputy CIA Director Michael Morell;
    * Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen;
    * Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. James Cartwright;
    * Adm. Willard, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command (via secure video teleconference);
    * Gen. Sharp, Commander U.S. Forces Korea (via secure video teleconference);
    * Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security John Brennan;
    * Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough;
    * Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communication Ben Rhodes;
    * National Security Staff Senior Director for Asian Affairs Jeff Bader;
    * Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel to the President Mary DeRosa;
    * Director for Asian Affairs Daniel Russel; and
    * Senior White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Counterterrorism and Arms Control Gary Samore.

    Bambi couldnt as usual be assed to attend, he was too busy campaigning again.

  25. Moon
    I bet you Bambi slept in and let minions deal with it. I can’t see him getting out of bed for anything less than Larry Sinclair.

    ——
    Or maybe the cook, or his body man? 😉

  26. moononpluto
    November 23rd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
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    Doesn’t that raise questions about the sudden announcement of Daly not running and Rahm leaving the WH to run for it and such? May be he thought he could bribe the renter to get out.

  27. Bambi couldnt as usual be assed to attend, he was too busy campaigning again.

    ———-
    All those people dealing with the crisis and Barry is MIA.
    Too bad Airforce One doesn’t have a phone. 😡

  28. It’s unsustainable. The proof is yet to come…

    You start out giving your hat, then you give your coat, then your shirt, then your skin and finally your soul.
    Charles de Gaulle

    THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 01, 2007

    The Real Cost of the French Social System

    My last post inspired me to do some research. I was curious to see exactly how much tax the French minimum wage employee pays, on average, and how much the employer has to set aside from his revenue to employ one person at the cheapest possible rate.

    I found that the situation is worse than I thought. I had written that the employee and the employer paid each about $400 in taxes, out of a total employee gross salary of $1,856. I was wrong. The employee pays around $400, but the employer pays $730, that is to say between them, they pay $1,132.45, out of a total gross salary of $1,856.

    This sounds impossible; but remember that the employer pays over and above the gross salary amount declared to the employee. Therefore, the employer must set aside $2,589.70 in order to give the employee $1,458. The total taxes paid to the government represent 44% of this total sum set aside, and the employee gets only 56%.

    Here is a list of the charges that the employee and employer must pay, in different proportions:

    Health Insurance
    Old Age Insurance
    Family Pension (all families get a sum per child, only paid by employer)
    Workman’s Comp (only the employer pays)
    Solidarity Contribution (kind of a general tax to help pay back the social services deficit; only employer pays)
    Housing Assistance (FNAL, employer pays)
    Unemployment
    Cessation of Activity Insurance (AGS, employer pays to insure payment of an indemnity to employees forced out of work)
    Supplemental Old Age Insurance
    Another Supplemental Old Age Insurance (AGFF)
    General Social Contribution (CSG, another general social services tax, paid only by the employee)

    (Source.)

    This does not include personal income taxes, which for a minimum wage employee would be minimal.

    On the other side of the equation, you must keep in mind that this employee receives medical care at extremely reasonable prices (e.g. $20 per visit, no charge for hospitalization), retirement benefits at about age 65 (some government employees get it sooner), unemployment benefits that are extremely generous–or a pension if the person cannot find work after a year or so (the RMI), disability compensation, housing allowance according to family situation and salary considerations, a pension for each of up to three children until they reach 18, a pension for unwed mothers (and there are many unmarried couples, given this incentive), free state education including university (room and board not included), a workweek presently limited to 35 hours plus occasional overtime, five weeks required vacation (even if they are on unemployment), state-paid job training and reorientation assistance, a guaranteed job contract that prevents the employer from letting the employee go without generous compensation, and other benefits that I forget.

    This all sounds great for the employee, doesn’t it? The only problem is that the reality of work conditions (sometimes very tough), the level of taxes, the employer limitations, the very competitive black market, plus the cost of this huge government structure where 25 percent of the citizenry are employed, create for job competition where there are 100 applicants for every single offer, if not many more. Unemployment continues to bobble above 8%. The French economy is struggling. It’s a wonder they’re still a viable nation.

    [Thanks to gftforex.com for the chart comparing US and French unemployment figures. Click on it for a larger version.]

    And I haven’t even mentioned the monopolistic strength of the five official French unions, the other taxes like the 70 percent gas tax and the 19.6 percent sales tax on everything, the penalizing taxes upon the wealthy that chase them from the country, the proportionately more heavy taxation of those earning more than the minimum wage, the dangers of trying to outwit the government inspectors while milking the system, and the social unrest that these collective pressures create. It is perhaps this last that is the most precarious.

    There are reforms in the air; but watch your calendars for mid-November. There are also reactionary strikes in the works that should make for good television. It’s not easy to take candy this good from such strong babies.

  29. Aside from the boomer effect, there is the fact the life expectancy is on the rise, unlike in the US, so the retired population is growing too large for the active population to support

    ===============

    The — false — argument over here is that the US life expectancy has already risen so much that SS is in trouble. False. The life expectancy starting from retirement age is about the same; what’s changed is infant mortality. So there will be more young people coming along, if anything.

  30. “How perfect of the misogynists, to get women to fight over their two best candidates so the men can push some idiot into the general election.”

    I’m at the point where I just don’t care anymore. They HAD the perfect candidate who just happened to be a woman. They shredded her for being a woman.

    So I will no longer care about how perfect someone is — clearly, the powers that run this place and the deluded progressives around us don’t want ANY woman, no matter how perfect for the job. So fuck `em. They could have had Athena, and instead they’ll get Kali. My heart bleeds.

    If ANY woman runs in 2012, I vote for her.

  31. “I don’t feel bad for Bristol or Brandy. You join a reality show, you know what you are getting into.”

    Including death threats?

  32. Palin show ratings plummet

    By James Hibberd
    November 23, 2010

    LOS ANGELES – After setting a ratings record last week on U.S. cable network TLC, Sarah Palin’s reality show plummeted for its second episode.

    “Sarah Palin’s Alaska” fell 40% on Sunday night to 3 million viewers.

    Not many were in the key adult demo either. Only 885,000 viewers were ages 18-49, dropping 44% from last week.

    In fact, the median age of the show is 57 — that’s 15 years older than TLC’s average.

    TLC expected a ratings drop coming off the high-flying premiere; executives realized some of their numbers were driven by sheer curiosity rather than eagerness to see an Alaska-based travelogue reality show. Competition from “Sunday Night Football” and the “American Music Awards” may have impacted the numbers as well.

    “We are very happy with the ongoing strength of ‘Sarah Palin’s Alaska,’ and it continues to drive big ratings gains for TLC,” said a network spokesperson.

    http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/tv/2010/11/23/16283001.html

  33. janis,

    I don’t approve of death threats for anyone but I am sure the protection for these participants will be appropriate.

  34. What is Rep. And narrow winner Bill Owens (D-NY) up to.when he says he.may back Boehner for speaker?

    Party switch?

  35. Death threats over a dance program, you have to be crazy. Yet at the convention, not one HRC supporter walked out and took to the streets to protect our democracy.

    There is truely something wrong about that. We care more about a dumb dance program than our democracy.

  36. JanH
    November 23rd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
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    Usually you have very reasonable comments, but this is not one of them, and neither is your follow-up answer. Threats of any kind are wrong. Why should this type of behavior be expected? Answer: because it has been tolerated to some extent.

  37. Even as he returns from Kokomo, Indiana, where he talked about the economy and domestic issues, President Obama and the White House continue their behind-the-scenes focus on North Korea’s attack on South Korea.

    President Obama is still expected to phone South Korean President Lee Myung-bak upon returning to the White House.
    —————————–
    This is like being on the golf course when a terrorist attacks. It is called being out of position. And if he waits until he gets back to call the president of south Korea, then he lacks a sense of urgency. His answer to everything is to convene a committee.

  38. Bristol, who week after week has received low scores and patronizing dismissals from the professional judges on “Dancing with the Stars” only to be rescued by populist masses voting at home.

    =========================

    That’s reassuring. I figured the bots would organize to vote her down.

  39. gonzotx
    November 23rd, 2010 at 4:59 pm
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    Since the government employs fully 25% of the population, it is not unreasonable to believe that the government already has automatic support from most of them out of concern for their livelihoods. They are feeding at the public trough, and depend on government largesse. I don’t believe that fiscal responsibility can be obtained when a full 1/4 of the working population ( or is it as written that 25% of the TOTAL population regardless of age?) works for the government in one way or the other. Balanced budgets? Yeah, right.

  40. Putting my Maria Von Trapp dress on………………

    How do you solve a problem like Korea?

    You let Hillary get on with it, Keep Dumbo and the Harpie Hippo as far away as possible.

  41. Tonight will be the first time that I will use the phone to vote for Bristol Palin. In fact, I will use to phones, and then three or four email adresses to vote for her. I would like to see her make it to the top just for the heck of it.

  42. Well, I just realized that my chance to vote was last night, not tonight. I missed it!!!!!!!

    I assume that there is one more show yet, so I hope I get the chance to vote for Bristol one more time anyway. I’ve only voted twice this season.

  43. gonzotx: “The Real Cost of the French Social System”

    Yup, all that’s true (except the assertion of 25% of the population working for the government – it’s 20% and declining, but that’s still very high) and I would even say it’s underestimated. I was self-employed, so the employee’s and employer’s share were both paid out of the same bank account. My accountant told me that all mandatory expenses (what we would call “tax” here in the US) came to between 69% and 72% of my income, let’s say 70%.

    Yet living on 30% of my income, I was able to live better than my parents, brother, or cousins, and also put away a sizable nest egg. Plus, I had access to all the services mentioned in your article. The only injustice was that I had to contribute to unemployment benefits while, being self-employed, I would never qualify for any of those benefits even during periods of real unemployment such as the year following 9/11.

    Aside from this minor injustice, which has been reversed since, I emphatically state that any expenditure is sustainable as long as you want what you’re paying for and get it: the French want their social system and the system delivers, so the system is sustainable.

    The retirement system is facing a demographic dilemma that was already foreseeable a generation ago as concerned the baby boomers, but since there was no short-term problem, the series of governments (including, yes, the socialist governments) did nothing about it. Now there is the further problem of rising life expectancy, so the problem has become much more imminent. To underscore this, Sarkozy says that half of today’s high school children will live to be 100.

    The only solution Fillon is trying to put across is to raise the retirement age. At the European level, other solutions are being proposed that will eventually take people off the pay-as-you-go systems and get them into individual accounts, like 401Ks.

    Anyway, as I said before, this is not an issue that will bring down Sarkozy. Fillon, the Prime Minister who is handling this issue, is very popular despite the visible turmoil. The polls that I cited predicting a Socialist victory in 2012 date from May 2010, that is, before Sarkozy took up the retirement issue.

  44. “I don’t approve of death threats for anyone but”

    — she knew what she was getting into when she started dancing!

    Please. She asked for it. She wanted it. She knew what was going to happen. She knew it going in. Same old same old …

  45. “Yet at the convention, not one HRC supporter walked out and took to the streets to protect our democracy.”

    I recall that there were protests — cordoned off far from the actual convention, without a single camera to record them. If the media doesn’t turn its cyclops eye on something, it might as well never have happened.

  46. “the French want their social system and the system delivers, so the system is sustainable.”

    If you don’t have the money to sustain it, then things must change out of necessity regardless of “wants”. It has been reported the the French health care system operates in the red by billions of dollars year after year. That is not sustainable, even if arguably, the majority in France want that type of system.

  47. nomobama: “Since the government employs fully 25% of the population…”

    Just a note: As I said to gonzotx, the figure is not 25% but 20% of the working population, and Sarkozy is trimming that down. The biggest segment of these “functionaries” are teachers at all levels, from pre-K to university. After that comes the police. Coincidentally, it is internationally recognized that the French have one of the best educational systems in the world, and one of the best police too.

    There are also “assimilated functionaries” who work in services that are considered to be public services even though the organizations are private. The first that comes to mind here is the RATP, which is the Paris metro service. The RATP is not a government agency and their workers are not government workers but, like functionaries, they have low pay but job security. The RATP has long had a deserved reputation for offering a very good, comprehensive and efficient service.

  48. Petraeus: U.S. Skeptical ‘All Along’ About Fake Taliban Negotiator
    —————————
    And how skeptical were they–all along? Skeptical enough to not pay him a huge sum of money?

  49. How do you solve a problem like Korea?

    You let Hillary get on with it, Keep Dumbo and the Harpie Hippo as far away as possible.

    ——————-
    Yes. That would be a viable strategy.

  50. Obama Outlines Moral, Philosophical Justifications For Turkey Pardon
    —————————————
    Obama will plead his case in earnest on behalf of all turkeys, the grandest turkey of them all–Obama himself. Then the United Nations can vote on it–since he loves them so much and is so greatful for their input on how to improve our democracy.

  51. In the interest of fairness, I took the opportunity during my lunch break to quickly scan Sarah Palin’s new book for what she says about Hillary Clinton.

    She mentions Hillary first in relation to Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown. Palin brings up the comment Quayle had made about Murphy Brown’s ‘lifestyle choices’, that being having a baby on TV on her own. Quayle was skewered for this remark, and Palin mentions that Hillary Clinton took this opportunity to call Quayle “typical of “an Administration out of touch with America.” Palin then goes on to say in the chapter that Quayle was somehow vindicated years later for his remarks.

    She then again mentions Hillary in a later chapter on traditional family values and the role of the family in women’s lives. Quoting here for the sake of full disclosure:

    Today’s self-proclaimed feminists have (more than once) accused me of not being a “real woman” because I don’t share their leftist views. (The same sort of insults are hurled at black conservatives like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell who don’t view themselves primarily as victims of racism.) But it’s actually the liberal women’s groups that have little in common with the majority of American women. Most women love their families and cherish motherhood. But all too often leaders of the modern feminist movement seem disdainful of traditional family life and the joys and fulfillment we find in motherhood.

    Remember Hillary Clinton’s famous rant, when her husband was running for president, that she wasn’t, in her words, “some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette?” Hillary is someone I like and admire personally in many ways, but she came across then as someone frozen in an attitude of 1960s-era bra-burning militancy. She told us in no uncertain terms that she “could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas” but preferred to pursue a serious career. Well, Hillary (many of us wanted to say at the time), some of us like to baked cookies. Some of us also think we can do that and still have successful careers. And most of us don’t think we have run down stay-at-home moms in order to make ourselves feel good about our choices.

    The women’s groups and mainstream media have greeted the rise of conservative mama grizzlies in much the same way they treated the vice-presidential campaign in 2008…[snip]

    I’ll give Palin credit for trying to temper her remarks by saying she admires Hillary (although I’m beginning to wonder if the right wing in general is just doing phony lip service in their praise for Hillary), but I’m still not seeing how Palin can legitimately characterize Hillary’s remarks as somehow being “disdainful of traditional family life.” IMO, Palin could have selected any number of different targets than Hillary Clinton if she wanted to go after ‘left-wing feminists.’

  52. nomobama: “… It has been reported the the French health care system operates in the red by billions of dollars year after year….”

    You already said this last week, and I told you it was untrue. You insist on believing anything that will support your preconceived notion that the French system is bad, because it is a system and you’d rather have no system.

    I explained that the system operates at no profit by law, so that any increase in costs results in an immediate red line. This was a chronic problem 20 years ago, but even then the cost overshoots were not in the billions.

    The response to this chronic deficit was to reduce overhead and streamline the system, mainly by computerizing it, doing away with paperwork and excess employees. For about 10 years now, people have a “Carte Vitale” smart card that they take to the doctor’s, the to the med lab or to the drugstore, present the card with their prescription and the whole transaction is taken care of through the internet.

    In the meantime, the health system has expanded to cover more things, like babysitting with certified babysitters, thus creating some jobs for young people.

    So the system has gained in transparency and efficiency, the deficits are a thing of the past, coverage is enhanced and jobs are being created. There is no one in France, left or right, rich or poor, who would exchange that for the free-for-all robber baron system we have here.

  53. NewMexicoFan

    Death threats over a dance program, you have to be crazy. Yet at the convention, not one HRC supporter walked out and took to the streets to protect our democracy.

    ———
    You couldn’t be more wrong about Hillary supporters walking out of Denver.

    Also, many of her delegate supporters were working hard behind the scenes to change the drama, but you weren’t there to see it.

    I was there, I was among the huge group that stayed in cramped quarters, couldn’t afford to go to Denver in the first place, but protested and talked to every delegate that would listen to us, and when Hillary was brought in ‘chains’ to the mike to concede, cried our eyes out. We walked around Denver, like zomies with our hearts cut out…guts dragging on the freakin’ ground…and changed our flights to be out of Denver while the Fraud spoke to the Obot masses. We were ready to punch anyone in the face that even breathed his name to us.
    Had two very dangerous evens, but will stay mum about that…

    Don’t tell me Hillary supporters were not fighting for her.

    Damn it, that pisses me off!!!!!

  54. Janis
    November 23rd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    ____________

    Janis, I can see where you are coming from in terms of the whole “Vote for ANY woman” idea, and I know there are many organizations out there now such as the New Agenda putting forth this same idea, but personally, I don’t think that is the right tact. I was willing to cut women candidates on the right some slack, but after not one single female Republican voted for the Paycheck Fairness Act, I began to think why should we show them any fealty?? Moreover, should we really now vote for any hypothetical woman candidate who let’s say, happens to be Rick Santorum but just in a dress? I don’t think so.

    The whole “vote for any woman” argument is one with serious flaws imo, and to be honest, it’s almost borderline BOT thinking. To vote for a woman just because she is a woman is basically no different than when nearly all black Americans voted for Obama just because he is black.

    We see what a mess that kind of monolithic voting brought….so it might be a good idea not to do the same.

  55. If I hear mama grizzlies one more time, I will scream. I am getting a little tired of Palin’s antics. I also dislike what she says about Hillary in her book, quoted above. She if anything benefited from Hillary’s generation and their struggle with baking cookies and all. She and her ilk forget that. Her TLC show is a joke. No wonder the viewership is collapsing. Who wants to listen to a nasal whiny brat trying to climb rocks for half an hour?

  56. Here is the link: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/40332937#40332937

    Palin makes some remark about Hillary’s “bra-burning militancy” and then goes after Hillary about the “baking cookies” remark from 1992. The Today show could be doing out of context quoting, I guess I may have to make a trip to the bookstore to see for myself, but from what we so far, not a good move by Palin, imo. I hope she is not tacking too hard to the right now in order to increase her appeal to her base.
    ——————————
    I agree with you. But as you say I would like to see the book. Peewee Herman Laurer et al are not above taking things out of context.

  57. Shadowfax: A tear-jerker story. My heart goes out to you. I would have done no differently had I been a delegate. But at the same time, I would have recorded as much of it as possible for posterity. You should try to remember as much as possible of what happened, along with the reactions of those around you, and get it into book form some day – some day when the real story of 2008 be told, warts and all.

  58. Did anybody see or hear about this FDIC report? Surprisingly (or predictably) they had not released it prior to the elections even though they were expected to if it was any other bank. But you know it is the Broadway bank, of Obama’s crony Giannoulias’.

    Last week the FDIC released a summary report on the failure of Broadway Bank. The cost to taxpayers to bail out the bank’s deposits was nearly $400 million dollars. Nearly $30 million dollars had been loaned to organized crime figures in recent years.

    Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/the-ulsterman-report-broadway-barry-obama/#ixzz169jXRMiH

  59. pm317: “She if anything benefited from Hillary’s generation and their struggle with baking cookies and all.”

    Yes, I think Palin is just pandering to the crowd of women who felt put off by Hillary’s remark or found it condescending. I think it’s their fault for taking it that way. What else was Hillary to say? She is that kind of woman. She was a good mother, which matters, but she was also a crackerjack lawyer, corporate officer, law professor, organizer, and political advisor to her husband, who would never have married her if he thought she was just going to stay home, bake cookies and serve tea. So she was a good wife, too, considering the man she married. Do these women, or Sarah Palin, think she should not have been all these things? She had the “god-given” potential to be much more than they, and she lived up to it.

  60. “Don’t tell me Hillary supporters were not fighting for her.”

    ——————-
    Shadowfax,

    You have my total respect for the hard work you and others did for Hillary’s campaign.

    I have one question for you. If she does run again, will you be there by her side?

  61. jeswezey
    November 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    =============================

    I think I can come up with some articles that indicate that the French health care system operates in the red. Can you come up with something that shows otherwise?

  62. And please define what an “immediate red line” is. I agree that increasing efficiencies can negate the effects of increases in other areas, but there comes a point in which you can’t squeeze any more juice out of something.

  63. Sarah Palin is just giving back what she gets. It’s not an untruth to write that many feminists have despised those women who do not support their self-appointed status of the “speakers for all women”. Although I think that the comments made about Hillary way back when were below the belt, I am not suprised that a conservative female has taken an opportunity to send that type of mudslinging back in the opposite direction. Sarah should have aimed her ammo at a valid target, though. In this case, Hillary’s comments were twisted to mean something that I believe she did not intend.

  64. Since when do we believe what MSNBC says about anybody, particularly Hillary or Palin or especially one about the other?

    That’s probably just as accurate as ‘Alaska from my house’ etc etc.

  65. JanH
    November 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    “Don’t tell me Hillary supporters were not fighting for her.”

    ——————-
    Shadowfax,

    You have my total respect for the hard work you and others did for Hillary’s campaign.

    I have one question for you. If she does run again, will you be there by her side?
    ————

    You have no idea. I will stand by Hillary and fight for her until they shove me in a coffin. I wish I was in a position to be one of her delegates, they couldn’t have shut me up, paid me off, nor threatened me enough to keep me from voting on the floor for her, nor would I have kept it from ALL the major news stations.

    I was still a little innocent at that point, although I knew about all the fraud.

    Second time around, Hillary’s army will be more prepared but will our girl ever run again………that is the real question.

    ———–
    jeswezey

    I will never forget what happened, nor will the people I saw in Denver.
    The folks that really need to speak up and make it public, are the delegates……

    There story needs to be really told.

    Some of our protesting is in video form and has been on the internet.

  66. Taking the liberty to repeat (since some are too lazy to figure out what we are talking about..
    —————–

    Fifth Dimension
    November 23rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    In the interest of fairness, I took the opportunity during my lunch break to quickly scan Sarah Palin’s new book for what she says about Hillary Clinton.

    She mentions Hillary first in relation to Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown. Palin brings up the comment Quayle had made about Murphy Brown’s ‘lifestyle choices’, that being having a baby on TV on her own. Quayle was skewered for this remark, and Palin mentions that Hillary Clinton took this opportunity to call Quayle “typical of “an Administration out of touch with America.” Palin then goes on to say in the chapter that Quayle was somehow vindicated years later for his remarks.

    She then again mentions Hillary in a later chapter on traditional family values and the role of the family in women’s lives. Quoting here for the sake of full disclosure:

    Today’s self-proclaimed feminists have (more than once) accused me of not being a “real woman” because I don’t share their leftist views. (The same sort of insults are hurled at black conservatives like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell who don’t view themselves primarily as victims of racism.) But it’s actually the liberal women’s groups that have little in common with the majority of American women. Most women love their families and cherish motherhood. But all too often leaders of the modern feminist movement seem disdainful of traditional family life and the joys and fulfillment we find in motherhood.

    Remember Hillary Clinton’s famous rant, when her husband was running for president, that she wasn’t, in her words, “some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette?” Hillary is someone I like and admire personally in many ways, but she came across then as someone frozen in an attitude of 1960s-era bra-burning militancy. She told us in no uncertain terms that she “could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas” but preferred to pursue a serious career. Well, Hillary (many of us wanted to say at the time), some of us like to baked cookies. Some of us also think we can do that and still have successful careers. And most of us don’t think we have run down stay-at-home moms in order to make ourselves feel good about our choices.

    The women’s groups and mainstream media have greeted the rise of conservative mama grizzlies in much the same way they treated the vice-presidential campaign in 2008…[snip]

  67. Fifth,

    Thanks from bringing the facts.

    Palin says this while standing on the shoulders of Hillary’s pantsuit. :-/

  68. pm317

    Thanks for posting that info from Sarah’s book.

    Well, I don’t like Sarah to say anything negative about Hillary, so I won’t forget she said that…packed away in my memory for the future.

    It wasn’t a horrible dig, but sounded to me like she is fighting to be the feminist of the Right, and try to come off like she is somehow equal with Hillary.

    Sorry Sarah, I have defended you against misogyny, but you are not even close to being in Hillary’s league of experience, nor do you represent what I believe in for all women. You don’t need to pick apart Hillary’s comments to make yourself seem like the better woman.

  69. nomobama, it is a recurring theme with the current 20-30 year-olds that Hillary’s generation are too militant about being feminists, blah, blah.. I see it in my own nieces. One of them was telling only yesterday that there were opportunities in India if we (my generation) had looked hard enough. I had to school her about what it was like in mid 80s India. I will be surprised if she accomplishes half of what I have.

    Palin’s is repeating a similar meme of we can do it all. Good for them, let them do it all but somebody should remind her that she quit being governor and her eldest daughter had an accidental pregnancy (yep, I will chalk some of it up to irresponsible parentage). Similar ideas floated around during the primary 2008 — a way to diminish what Hillary and her generation did in addition to saying woman but not this woman. They deluded themselves into thinking they had multiple choice.

  70. turndown

    Palin says this while standing on the shoulders of Hillary’s pantsuit. :-/

    ———
    Yup, she sure does.

  71. pm317
    November 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    nomobama, it is a recurring theme with the current 20-30 year-olds that Hillary’s generation are too militant about being feminists, blah, blah..

    ————–
    No freakin’ kidding. That’s why I don’t give a ratsass if the Rethugs destroy Rove, and send them back to square one. We fought for women’s rights, the kids take it for granted…and just expect it to always be there. It’s time for them to step up and carry the flag for awhile. We won’t be around forever to fight their battles.

    Sarah had better watch her step speaking against Hillary…….it is already starting to make me think less of her.

  72. “The average American has regular contact with the federal government at three points – the IRS, the post office and the TSA. Start with that fact if you are formulating a unified field theory to explain the public’s current political mood.”

    – George Will

  73. Personally, I would not be too tough on Palin. That was a common reaction at the time, and many Hillary supporters including my mother said it. It rankled people from that generation, many of whom did stay home and bake cookies. And, there was also evidence that Hillary said those words on purpose to take some of the heat off Bill. You may think that manipulative but I call it politics.

    Also there is the generational factor: One of the leading lights of our town died a year or so ago. She was born in 1919 and married into one of the leading families, whose name is synomous with Alaska Steamship Company, the multi million dollar annual charitable event Poncho, the Seattle Opera, one of the largest seafood companies in Alaska prior to World War II, buildings in Seattle and the like etc. you get the picture. According to her obituary she was in every way the quintessial cultured elegant and caring members of our community. But that was all the further women could go in those days, unless they sat on Boards of Directors. World War II took them out of the homes and into the factories and the aftermath of world war II put them back in the homes and on the mommie track. That changed in the 1970s and today it is no longer the constraint it once was except when it comes to the office of president.

    As you know I canvassed in a number of states for Hillary. Yes, I did encounter some opposition from conservative women–like the husband and wife team I saw in Indiana who looked like the painting American Gothic and gave me dagger looks when I approached them. I encountered many republican women who told me that they would vote for Hillary.

    Frankly, my impression was that more of the opposition to Hillary came far more from college educated liberal women, and polling data proved it. I asked a West Virginia legislator as we stood at a bridge with the rain pouring down on election days as people went to the polls why do these liberal women not support Hillary when it is clearly in their interest to do so. She said because they are like a bunch of high school kids who resent the top girl, and look for ways to back shoot. I thought of Maurine Dodd (MODO), the maligant dwarf (Mitchell) and screech owl (Clift) , and told her you know you may have something there.

  74. Dine in style to aid poor
    Nov 24, 2010

    Ever dream of dining with a president?

    According to People magazine, beginning this Monday on eBay, the former president of the US, Bill Clinton, is auctioning a private dinner with himself to the highest bidder and three friends.

    The dinner will be held at the Clinton Presidential Centre in Arkansas. Proceeds will benefit the Clinton Foundation.

    “I’m looking forward to showing the auction winner some of my favourite exhibits and enjoying dinner with them overlooking the Arkansas River,” Clinton told People. “But, more importantly, I look forward to the impact the winning bid will have on the work my foundation does around the world.”

    The opening bid is $25000, and bidding will continue until noon on December 2. “The [former] president is one of most popular political figures in the world,” says Amanda Miller, eBay spokesman.

    “We anticipate that his charity auction will draw bidders from around the globe.”

    The dinner will include a four-course meal at the restaurant at the Clinton Presidential Centre.

    The date of the dinner will be determined after the auction.

    A tour of the centre will be included. The money raised through the auction will support the foundation’s efforts to end poverty in the US and around the world, to fight childhood obesity and to provide HIV/Aids medicines at more affordable prices to those who need them.

    For more information, visit ebay.com/Clintonfoundation.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/article780296.ece/Dine-in-style-to-aid-poor

  75. Shadowfax,

    I am completely turned off by Palin. I wrote posts for NQ supporting and defending her as a woman politician two years ago but I also gave her a chance to grow and get serious but she has not moved an inch in her discourse, logic and policy from when she started. Listen carefully to what she says — there is nothing there. I can’t say I am disappointed.

  76. Barbara Bush: “You Can’t Dislike Bill Clinton”

    by Frances Martel
    November 22nd, 2010

    It seems no one is immune to former president Bill Clinton’s Southern charm– even the couple who lost the White House to him. In today’s special Larry King exclusive with George H.W. and Barbara Bush, both the former President and First Lady heaped praise upon the Clinton clan, thankful for the easy transition of power and the “really good personal relationship” that developed between the families.

    King asked the couple about their thoughts on Chelsea Clinton’s wedding, which they did not attend and were happy not to. “Jenna [Bush]’s wedding had no politicians,” Barbara Bush explained, “and I think that’s what Bill did, and Hillary.” She added that she understood how difficult it must have been for them to keep the wedding that way.

    The former First Lady then went on to confess how much she liked President Clinton: “it took me a little while, I confess, but you can’t dislike Bill Clinton. He’s very likable. And he was so good to George… he would let George have the bed. I have a feeling Bill wishes he had a father like George, truthfully.” George Bush corroborated her story, lauding Clinton’s “extraordinarily kind” disposition towards him and their warm friendship.

    First Barbara Bush casually hints she’d rather see Sarah Palin out of the political picture, and now she’s praising Bill Clinton? Is there something the former First Lady would like to tell us about her post-presidential political views?

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/barbara-bush-you-cant-dislike-bill-clinton/

  77. First Barbara Bush casually hints she’d rather see Sarah Palin out of the political picture, and now she’s praising Bill Clinton? Is there something the former First Lady would like to tell us about her post-presidential political views?
    _______________________

    Sure, they’re lining up with the winner. They’ve been out of the WH for 2.5 yrs. and feel like lepers kept outside of the garden gate.

  78. pm317, I don’t disagree with you. Not that I am saying that you have done this yourself, but I think that it is wrong discount female conservative viewpoints with regards to feminism.

  79. Here you go with one article from 2008 about the French health care system being in debt. Now, I know that I can find more because I have read similar articles in the past. Who am I supposed to believe. Several articles that say similar things about the French health care system, or you jeswesey? I know that you lived there, and have some knowledge about their system, but I can’t discount what I have read on this.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92419273

    France, like all countries, faces rising costs for health care. In a country that’s so generous, it’s even harder to get those expenses under control.

    Last year, the national health system ran nearly $9 billion in debt. Although it is a smaller deficit than in previous years, it forced the government of President Nicolas Sarkozy to start charging patients more for some drugs, ambulance costs and other services. Debates over cost-cutting have become an expected part of the national dialogue on health care.

  80. By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on November 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM in Current Affairs, Democrats, Republicans, South Carolina
    Recently my local paper, the Post and Courier, had an article by Yvonne Wenger about incoming SC governor, Nikki Haley. The title pretty much sums it up, Former S.C. Governors Offer Haley A Few Tips On What’s Important.

    I was really struck by this. The former governors, both Republican and Democrat, chimed in to tell her what she should expect as governor, but also gave her some suggestions for what she should do while serving the state:

    [snip] Members of South Carolina’s exclusive governors club — an unlikely fellowship united by their shared past — tell Haley she should remember who her friends were in the beginning, they will be the ones there in the end; invite the security detail to Christmas dinner; pray every day for wisdom and courage; and get ready to be the best salesperson this state has ever seen. {snip}
    Outgoing Gov. Mark Sanford, a Republican who was an early mentor for Haley, advised her to stay loyal to the ideas that propelled her to run in the first place. He urged her to never forget the promises she made to the voters along the campaign trail. And, he said, she should find time to nurture her friendships and her soul.

    “Don’t lose touch with those who were your friends before this newest chapter of life, because they will be the ones who are there after,” Sanford said. [snip]

    Given what happened with Governor Sanford, he ought to know about the friends issue (you may recall he had/has an affair with an Argentine woman, though he also brought Boeing to the state, no small feat.). Sounds like good advice.

    But he wasn’t the only one:

    [snip] Former Gov. Jim Hodges, the last Democrat to serve as governor, said on a personal front, Haley should make sure her staff schedules enough time for her to be a mother and a wife. A governor’s job is all-consuming and she needs to carve out the time for family, Hodges said.
    Professionally, Hodges said Haley can never take her eyes off job creation.

    “First, she needs to focus on picking a strong commerce secretary, because having a single-minded focus on job creation is critically important for her to be successful,” Hodges said.

    Hodges said Haley’s first year in office will set the trajectory for the other three in her term. Legislators will be most willing to work with her that first year, and she should take advantage of the fresh relationship to accomplish her agenda, he said. “It becomes harder after that.”

  81. nomobama: “I think I can come up with some articles that indicate that the French health care system operates in the red.”

    Of course you can. You can Google anything you want and get a million hits in 1/10th of a second. Make sure you get something from MSNBC or some other reliable journolistic source like WaPo, LA & NY Times, things by people you can really count on to prove the point you want to prove.

    Try Googling this: “French people person want to exchange stinky French health care system for great American health care system”. Let me know what you find.

    “Can you come up with something that shows otherwise?”

    I’ve just come up with a pretty long post based on long experience. I can expound further if you want, but apparently you don’t want that because I’m not proving your point for you.

    “And please define what an “immediate red line” is.”

    I mean if you have receipts of $1 billion for 1982 operations but then suddenly you discover AIDS, or there is an outbreak of flu or nurses salaries go up, then your 1983 operations are going to cost $1.1 billion and you’re in the red for $100 million.

    The reason for the red was that it is practically impossible to run an insurance operation with no reserves. “Zero profit” means no reserves.

    “I agree that increasing efficiencies can negate the effects of increases in other areas, but there comes a point in which you can’t squeeze any more juice out of something.”

    Yes. However, increasing efficiencies have made it possible to keep health system costs at 10% of GDP (remember it’s 18% in the US) while staying out of the red because, as the GDP rises, so do the health system receipts. Thus, the current balance is permanent.

  82. nomobama: “Who am I supposed to believe. Several articles that say similar things about the French health care system, or you jeswesey?”

    Me or a journalist? Take me.

    I’ve been paying into the system for almost 40 years (yes, still now) and know very well what it offers and what it costs.

    I say “still now” – since my brother just got married again, I’ll be going back to France this week to give him an extended honeymoon and a free room in the basement. All my clients are in Europe and I always spend the better part of the year there.

    But I’ll still chime in here at H44 to give you any unwanted news.

  83. And, there was also evidence that Hillary said those words on purpose to take some of the heat off Bill. You may think that manipulative but I call it politics.

    =================

    Yes, both those quotes were in defense toward the end of some pretty vicious stuff said by others. She didn’t just insult cookie makers out of the blue sky. She was responding to men who criticized her. And the Tammy Wynette quote was defending Bill against Gennifer Flowers iirc. Hillary wasn’t talking about her whole lifestyle but about her particular statements in defense of Bill.

  84. I just saw the beginning of Dancing with the Stars. I can’t believe how catty ABC is and the derogatory build up to to night. Since I won’t watch it, if anyone here is, please give me the number to vote for Bristol.

  85. I’d be interested in knowing how much money illegal immigration costs the French health care system as opposed to the American health care system. Any idea? I am guessing that the American system is taxed much more by this than the French system, and that might explain the the higher health care costs relative to GDP for the US when compared to a country like France.

  86. JanH: “Is there something the former First Lady would like to tell us about her post-presidential political views?”

    I don’t think it has anything to do with political views. It’s a matter of personality. Bill said he liked most of the people he met in politics, and Bush Sr & Jr are among those he likes. They like him back.

    Also, Dubya and Laura said in in 2007 that Hillary would make a good president, or that he wouldn’t mind passing over the reigns to her or something like that. It wasn’t agreement with her politics but a healthy respect for her, maybe he appreciated her sense of humor.

    Maybe Barbara doesn’t like Palin for personal reasons. Palin doesn’t strike me as someone I would like either, personally. She doesn’t seem to strike up a rapport with people.

  87. gonzotx
    November 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 pm
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    You made the mistake that I did. I thought that there was one more week of Dancing With The Stars, but tonight is it. Last night was the last of public voting for your prefence. Tonight is the finale with a winner being chosen where the calls made last night are figured into the judge’s votes from last night’s performances and tonight’s performances.

  88. JanH
    November 23rd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
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    I know it’s for charity, but opening bid of 25,000 is a bit high. Absolutely no one of middle class distinction will be be attending.

  89. Barbra Bush is a creep. She doesn’t like any successful female politician. I will never forget her calling Geraldine Ferraro a bitch.

    I guess it takes one to know one ( not that I think Geraldine is one )

  90. gonzotx
    November 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    ==========================

    The finale is done in the way that it is to show that the judge’s opinions have a little more weight than the audience preferences. Even though I know that Bristol is not as good of a dancer as the other two, I still would like to see her win, especially since she has definitely shown some improvement, and she has never been a performer before. The other two are entertainers, with Jennifer obviously having the advantage since she stared in the Dirty Dancing movie, so she has had the training.

  91. I like Palin, but she does have a communication problem. I was just watching Greta and Palin doesn’t have a lot of verbal nuances and seems a little too uptight. Acting lessons. I really believe they would benefit her. I actually took them for 4 years and besides it being a blast, it taught me cadence, delivery and really allowed me to be comfortable in public speaking

    Listen, when you have had to play an alien reptile in an impromptu exercise, anything else is easy.

  92. Yeah, I take note of what the admin wrote tonight. This show is something that I find entertaining, but I do have to wonder how much the producer’s of the show have to say about who wins. Do they have any say, even if the audience votes don’t go the way they would want them to go?

  93. jeswezy-

    With the Bushes, it’s ALL political!

    You have to think how long Bush Sr has been welcome at the WH- (hint: since befre Reagan) If Romey or Palin got in.. they have nothing in common with either of them. If Obama wins a secnd term… Bsr.. will never realize the opportunity he would have had with the Clintons.

    One more thing, you can’t analyze what they say… you have to know what they mean-

  94. Sarah Palin in politics is somewhat like Bristol in Dancing With The Stars. They are both learning as they go, but in my opinion, they are quick studies for the most part.

  95. One of the things that I like about Sarah is her non-stuffy persona. I don’t mind her talk because I find it refreshing when compared to the normal bs that you hear from most politicians. As time progresses, in would like to see her display more statesman-like behavior.

  96. I agree to an extent. She has proven she is a do’er, She has to “grow” and focus on proving she can be a wonk.

  97. phew, one more Palin drama is over. This family does drain us all trying to defend them against the liberal crazies. I liked how Bristol carried herself during the show.

  98. Do they have any say, even if the audience votes don’t go the way they would want them to?
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    Are you asking if there are any fixed votes? LOL.

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    Doesn’t Palin come in last every week? Do they have a vote again, the bottom two? I never watch this crap.

  99. nomobama: “I’d be interested in knowing how much money illegal immigration costs the French health care system as opposed to the American health care system.”

    I have no idea how much illegal immigration costs the American health system. Something tells me it doesn’t cost anything at all… the illegal might get charity care, in which case the care wouldn’t show up on the charts; or the illegal might be able to pay, out of pocket or through insurance, in which case it would show up in the health care segment of GDP whereas the illegal’s source of revenue, which is not declared, does not show up in GDP, and in this case it would increase the share of health costs in total GDP. However, this latter case would be rare, IMO, and there are surely no statistics for it anyway because when he pays his hospital bill or insurance premium, he is not declared an “illegal immigrant”.

    On the French side, there is a lot of immigration in France (2nd in the world after the US) and there is a big debate going on about immigration policy (some think it’s a problem, others think it’s a boon), but (i) there is no “illegal” immigration per se because the police have a total lockdown on ID papers and can ask for ID whenever they want, and (ii) you don’t just walk into the country and benefit from its health care system. You have to pay into the system for 3 months before you get any benefits, and to pay into the system you have to show you have an income, and therefore the authorization papers to work in France. Then the health insurance payments are withheld from your pay slip.

    So, in a word, the incidence of non-existent illegal immigration on health care costs in France is flat zero.

    “I am guessing that the American system is taxed much more by this than the French system, and that might explain the the higher health care costs relative to GDP for the US when compared to a country like France.”

    Well, if the American system is taxed at all by illegal immigration, then it is definitely taxed more than the French system. I mean, anything is more than nothing.

    Maybe I don’t understand what you mean by illegal immigration taxing the American health care system. As I said, I don’t think there’s any way to get a statistical handle on the question.

  100. This is only the 2nd time I’ve watched DWTS. Call me crazy, but Bristol looks like she’s getting chunky…

    When clips were played when she first entered the competition she looked way thinner. Do you gain weight when you practice dancing 3-6 hrs a day for 3 months?

  101. “Bristol looks like she’s getting chunky…”

    Maybe it’s the bomb she’s wearing in her underwear? Needs a pat-down!

  102. No, I noticed it too.. she has put on weight. Maybe she binges on fatty foods to drown her misery. I wish these Palin children were protected better from the media glare. But there is no explanation for the crazy liberal media and the Obots who go after them.

  103. I like Palin. I find her plain speak refreshing. If it came down to her versus waffles she’d get my vote. And I get a kick out of her non-traditional manipulation of the lame stream media. Baba Wawa commented on her being on an entertainment show as the mother of a contestant. whoopi had to remind her that she is not holding public office or running for anything right now. Yet she thought it was okay to have bambi on?
    I’d love to see someone rise up from the Repubs who is a moderate but thus far I see nothing but same old same old.
    Her tweets and facebook postings garner attention that the media won’t give her and then they have to respond to them.
    I wondered why she backed her daughter going on a reality show, but gotta say it was a pretty smart move. Ten weeks of endless coverage.
    And she LOVES her country, first and foremost I think that she be a qualification to hold the highest office in the land.
    That being said I’d bust my butt if HRC threw her hat in the ring.

  104. What I mean is that I’ve read how illegals are some of those who clog American hospital emergency rooms looking for treatment. As for charity cases, that thought annoys me because there are plenty of American citizens that are in need. The money to treat illegals comes from somewhere, and in effect, it affects those American citizens who also might need some help. Why should American citizens have to compete with illegal immigrants?

  105. jeswezey
    November 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 pm
    nomobama: “I’d be interested in knowing how much money illegal immigration costs the French health care system as opposed to the American health care system.”

    I have no idea how much illegal immigration costs the American health system. Something tells me it doesn’t cost anything at all… the illegal might get charity care, in which case the care wouldn’t show up on the charts
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    You have been away too long jeswezey
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    Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
    State’s “cheap labor” costs average household $1,183 a year
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    Vliet: Illegal immigration health care costs affect you
    By Elizabeth Lee Vliet

    Story Published: Jul 2, 2010

    The national spotlight is on Arizona for doing what the federal government and previous governor refused to do regarding an invasion of illegal aliens bankrupting our state. At an August 2009 health care town hall in Phoenix, legislators said that more than half of Arizona’s $4 billion budget deficit was the result of paying for three areas of services to illegal immigrants: education, health care and incarceration.

    What does illegal immigration have to do with your costs and your access to medical care when you need it?

    Estimates are that 20 – 40 percent of uncompensated (free) medical services are provided to people in the United States illegally. The actual number may be much higher. Shockingly, hospitals and clinics don’t ask about citizenship.

    In both Tucson and Dallas where I have practiced medicine, hospitals are struggling under massive costs of uncompensated medical services for uninsured people who, by federal law, cannot be turned away for lack of insurance or ability to pay.

    How much does this uncompensated care actually cost taxpayers? The incredible answer: no one knows. We only have estimates of the costs to taxpayers to treat illegal immigrants because hospitals and public health clinics do not ask for proof of citizenship before providing care.

    What are the consequences to taxpaying citizens? Increased cost and reduced access to trauma care. Tucson has lost all but one Level I Trauma Center to serve all of southern Arizona, in large part due to massive, unsustainable losses from uncompensated care. Auto accidents involving overloaded vans of illegal aliens happen regularly in southern Arizona. Injured are flown by air ambulance to University Medical Center’s Trauma Center and treated with state-of-the-art care, all at taxpayer expense.

    Uncompensated medical services for illegal immigrants mean higher premiums for all of us due to cost-shifting among all third-party payers. To cover the deficits from “free” medical services it provides, the administration at University Physicians Health System is analyzing how much to increase employee health insurance premiums as of July 1.

    Hospitals in Tucson and Dallas also provide uncompensated maternity services to pregnant women here illegally. Their babies then become U.S. citizens entitled to all of the services available for low-income American families – food stamps, WIC, immunizations, office visits, medications, etc. This drives up costs to all of us: higher premiums for private insurance companies, and higher taxes for government insurance like Arizona’s Medicaid.

    Professional estimates are that over half of the pregnant women served at Parkland Hospital in Dallas are in this country illegally. With more than 16,000 deliveries a year, Parkland is one of the nation’s busiest maternity prenatal clinics for low-income women to receive free prenatal care, nutrition, medication, birthing classes, child care classes, and free supplies (formula, diapers, bottles, car seats). Taxpayers pay the bills.

    How many of these women are legal citizens and how many are not? No one knows. No one asks about citizenship.

    It is significant that the four states with the highest number of uninsured patients are the southern border states that also have the highest burden of illegal immigrants: California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

    The bottom line is that working, taxpaying, legal citizens are bearing the brunt of the failure of our government officials to document citizenship before providing medical services.

    How long before your medical care is delayed or denied because our health systems have collapsed from deficits due to uncompensated medical care?

    Arizona’s massive deficit, greatly increased by health care services for illegals, is the canary in the mine, warning of a potential explosion that may collapse the system for all.

  106. Speaking of chunky, what about Christina Aguilera? There was a big uproar about Britney Spears a couple of years ago about her changing body. I looked at Christina tonight and thought that she looked like she might be pregnant again. Will there be all this talk about her tomorrow? Christina wore outfits tonight that tried to hide her midsection, but it didn’t work very well. I really could care less. Although I like her voice, I don’t like her choice of music that she sings, so I am not a fan.

  107. nomobama
    Every hospital has in place a means by which the uninsured(illegal or not) can get medical treatment. If you show up at the emergency room and do not have coverage and earn 10 an hour you get treatment and then you get a huge bill. If an individual is unable to pay they must contact the hospital. It is quite a bit of work but a three thousand dollar bill can become 500 spread out over three years. It is difficult to navigate the system as I think most hospitals would rather claim a 3000 loss than collect 500 over years.

  108. Hmmm. Wouldn’t want to reward bad behavior. At least not someone else’s.
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    White House Official: China Needs to Do More, US-South Korea Joint Military Exercises Possible in Coming Days
    November 23, 2010 6:31 PM

    A White House official tells ABC News that the U.S. is going to spend a great deal of effort trying to get China to take a more “robust” stand against North Korea’s actions.

    “We need to send a strong signal to the Chinese that they need to stand up to North Korea,” the official says, adding that Russia’s statement condemning this attack was much stronger than after the North Koreans sank the ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772) in March 2010.

    “There’s a greater degree of alarm in the international community,” the official said, though China needs to be worked on.

    There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

    One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support.

    This will likely be discussed when the president talks to South Korean President Lee this evening at 9:30 pm EST.

    President Obama spent 20 minutes in the Situation Room late afternoon, discussing North Korea with top national security advisers.

    The Obama administration is “not looking to escalate” this situation, the official said. “We don’t see this as North Korea wanting to go to war.”

    One step you may not see that has happened in the past is “rushing into six party talks,” the official said, trying to get North Korea back at the table with other superpowers. “We see that as rewarding bad behavior.”

    -Jake Tapper

  109. gonzotx
    November 23rd, 2010 at 11:31 pm
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    Thanks for the information. It is a reasonable conclusion that a large illegal immigration population would tax a country’s health care system. How many of these people can afford their own medical treatment? After all, if many of these people are taking the most lowly of jobs here in this country, they definitely are not raking in the money to pay for their medical needs. I was surprised about jeswesey’s comment about illegal immigrant’s impact on our health care system. I kind of shook my head since I took his comment as meaning that they have a negligible effect on our system.

  110. henry
    November 23rd, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    You can claim only so many loss’es and then you have to cut wages, cut staff and finally close. That’s whats happening to the American health care.

    I work for a catholic hospital that does an inordinate amount of “charity” cases and the strain on the staff is palpable. Because over 40% of the cases are uninsured or under-insured we suffered large cuts in staffing. It is beyond belief the stress the staff are under.

  111. nomobama

    I kind of shook my head since I took his comment as meaning that they have a negligible effect on our system.
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    Too much of that expensive French wine I conjecture.

  112. I found this on ACE…A tribute to Bristol ” Elaine” dance from Seinfeld..funny

    .com/watch?v=DY_DF2Af3LM&feature=player_embedde

  113. Fifth Dimension – the theory can’t be judged until their are far greater numbers of women in office. A few republican women voting against it doesn’t mean the hypothesis should be discarded. The whole point of there being large numbers of women, is that then the women may feel free to work across the aisle with each other, rather than taking their lead from the males in their respective party. And the only way to get to large numbers of women is to start voting them in….

    And, no, I’m not trying to say anyone should have to vote for anyone they very strongly object to. I’m just trying to explain that the idea can’t be judged until the conditions are met, which won’t happen until women start voting for women.

  114. gonzotx
    I stand corrected. I was thinking back a few years before the non-profit billion dollar hospitals/universities gamed the whole system. There is not one charity hospital in the city of Pittsburgh and St Vincent’s closed in NYC.
    But an individual who can not pay can still have the bill(emergency room including surgery) significantly reduced by dealing with the hospital but it is work.

  115. I thought of Maurine Dodd (MODO), the maligant dwarf (Mitchell) and screech owl (Clift) ….
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    Must be getting late, I read that as “Murine” Dodd. That may be more fitting, however, since “murine” refers to the genus of animals that include the common household rats and mice.

  116. Palin makes some remark about Hillary’s “bra-burning militancy” and then goes after Hillary about the “baking cookies” remark from 1992

    I think Palin is not understanding because she isn’t putting Hillary’s statements and reactions in the context of the time they happened. While the good ole boys’ club still exists and Sarah has had to deal with it, it’s nothing like what it used to be when Hillary was “coming up”. When Hillary was starting out, women were still fighting to be fairly allowed to work outside the home, and then to move upwards from there. Now, years later, there are women who are fighting for acceptance as stay at home moms (those who can afford it, anyway lol).

    So, it’s almost like Palin is judging Hillary’s statements in today’s context – women want the right to be stay at home moms, and here’s Hillary making fun of people baking cookies and staying home. Well, that certainly isn’t an accurate way to interpret Hillary’s comments. I think there are a lot of feminist things about Sarah, but I suspect she’s not really well versed on the history of the women’s movement, or on the changing expectations of women….

  117. Admin

    I just watched the Turkey pardon video. I really cracked up over the “6” Hour meeting between the fraud and repubs over the Turkey pardon, the look on Mitch McConnell’s face was priceless ‘Oh my God, just do what ever” Priceless…

  118. O’Reilly is seldom right but never in doubt. Here he happens to be right:

    The big political issue is that President Obama faces yet another situation that is making Americans angry. Tick them off: civilian trials for Al Qaeda killers, the Ground Zero mosque, slow work on the oil spill, unemployment not improving. It’s one thing after another for the president.

    So there’s no question that trust in Mr. Obama’s ability to run the country is eroding — and quickly. Some of that is the president’s fault, but some of it is not. However, he must face the facts his administration is not a success at this point.

    I spent a ton of time researching Barack Obama for my book “Pinheads and Patriots,” and I learned a very important thing: The president is not a nimble man. He does not react quickly to urgent situations. He’s more of a college professor type mulling things over.

    In the age of 24/7 news, much of it hysterical, that approach is not going to cut it. Most Americans don’t like what’s happening in the country and many of them are blaming the president.

  119. pm317
    November 23rd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
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    Really? I never thought of them getting paid, but I guess I should have realized that they must be reimbursed for their time. I assume Bristol, being that she came in third, probably made at least 100k for her efforts.

  120. Must be getting late, I read that as “Murine” Dodd. That may be more fitting, however, since “murine” refers to the genus of animals that include the common household rats and mice.
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    touche.

  121. murine” refers to the genus of animals that include the common household rats and mice.
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    I take offense. My daughter has a pet rat, Carlita, she is lovely and very affectionate. You may be thinking of the
    Western Pygmy Rattlesnake (Sistrurus miliarius streckeri)

  122. gonzotx
    November 23rd, 2010 at 11:56 pm
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    I laughed at 1:45, but felt really bad for the lady at 1:52 in this video.

  123. Just found this on the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel page. Interesting in the light of the pro-union environment in the WH. Bottom line is always the paycheck.
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    Briggs union workers start anti-dues petition

    11:05 p.m. | In what has become an increasingly difficult environment for organized labor, some union workers at Briggs & Stratton Corp. now are circulating petitions asking for the right to avoid paying union dues.

  124. nomobama-gonzotx: Thanks for the info –

    “Estimates are that 20 – 40 percent of uncompensated (free) medical services are provided to people in the United States illegally. The actual number may be much higher. Shockingly, hospitals and clinics don’t ask about citizenship.”

    However, this is exactly what I answered to nomobama’s question of effect on GDP: “uncompensated (free) medical services” don’t enter the GDP as a “cost”, so the 20-40% “estimate” does not generate a statistical handle, especially since, as I said, the hospital doesn’t ask about citizenship whether the person pays or not. So even if the illegal does pay, and thereby up the health care share of GDP, you still don’t know if he’s an illegal alien. No statistics.

    nomobama’s question was also to relate this to similar costs in France, which I explained were zero. They are zero because the immigration situation is and has been under control for a long time, as has the health care situation. You just don’t find people hanging around emergency rooms asking for a handout. Your citizenship doesn’t matter, all that matters is that you’ve paid into the system.

    And if you haven’t paid into the system, like me when I first arrived in France, then the doctor actually has considerable leeway in the care he provides and the price he asks, because he’ll pocket the money without declaring it but won’t charge more than he thinks you can pay. I had two such experiences – a herniated disk and a broken foot – before I was inducted into the system. It was all pretty reasonable.

    The difference between the French and American systems is a matter of scope, but more than anything else it is a matter of control. The situation is out of control in California, according to the article, and is probably just as bad in other states. It is not just immigration that is out of control, but the health care system too. And it is a matter of scope – with wild immigration and wild growth in health care costs, we’re in a jungle situation. Health care costs are skyrocketing while as much as 40% of health care is dispensed free of charge in California! Crazy!

    I think the starting point is to get a handle on immigration, and the best way to do that is to do what is done everywhere else in the world – require ID. That would call for a constitutional amendment, and it wouldn’t be the end of the problem, but I think it’s a necessary beginning.

  125. Did you notice all the overweight TSA agents? I say this only because of the recent article that came out in support of the TSA in which the TSA agents were c/o all the smelly overweight people they have to touch.

  126. Every hospital has in place a means by which the uninsured(illegal or not) can get medical treatment.

    I believe it’s a federal law. That is, if they come in through the emergency room. That’s how people get treatment in the ER even for colds.

    If they were to call for an appointment with one of the disciplines with no insurance, though, they’d be turned away. That same person, though (needing chemo, for ex) would be provided that assistance once they went to the ER.

    So, I believe the federal law was meant to apply to emergency situations, since it is in place in the ER, but in everyday reality, anyone who shows up at the ER will get helped, even for a cold.

    And it IS a big drain on hospital resources. They even have to employ a whole office of workers whose job it is to try to get the pt.’s application for CMS or Medi-cal started, something the pt. could have done on their own in the community. But again, the hospital spends its own funds. But – the pt. has to follow through and turn in supporting documentation, which they often don’t, so the next time they come to the hospital, the hospital has to spend money paying those same workers to start their application again. And everytime the pt. doesn’t follow through to try to get even that minimal insurance, the hospital has to eat the bill.

    They’ll send bills, sure. But they often don’t get paid. And do you have any idea how many homeless and/or alcoholic/drug addicted people are frequent fliers at hospitals? For detox, for treatment of the organs that are now failing from substance use?

  127. However, this is exactly what I answered to nomobama’s question of effect on GDP: “uncompensated (free) medical services” don’t enter the GDP as a “cost”, “
    ************

    they do for the business that is doling it out.
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    At least our AA youth are only unemployed at a rate of 25%.
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    France
    Despite an outcry about the urban riots, some racially diverse estates in Clichy-sous-Bois still face over 40% unemployment for the under-25s.

    How will they support the aging French with all their entitlements with 40% unemployment in some areas?

    Forced pregnancies of the viable chic French women I presume

  128. jeswezey
    November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 am
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    Finally, agreement with you about something, and that’s immigration. We need to get a handle on it quickly. I am not sure about the national ID, though.

  129. They’ll send bills, sure. But they often don’t get paid. And do you have any idea how many homeless and/or alcoholic/drug addicted people are frequent fliers at hospitals? For detox, for treatment of the organs that are now failing from substance use?
    ***************

    Trust me, I work detox, it is through the roof. The ones I really get a kick out of are the ones that bluntly tell me they are there for documentation in order to get disability.

    And oh yes they will. This week I had a 24 year old that was as healthy as a horse and his father called me and told me he would be up on the unit at noon so he could get copies of the chart to take them to the lawyers office.

    Everyone runs a scam. they get the money, buy the booze +/drugs, get kicked out of the sober houses and surprise, back agai, all o our dime.

  130. jeswezey
    November 23rd, 2010 at 2:14 pm
    wbboei: “… The elites are working to meld our economy into the European Union…”
    Where did you get this idea? I have just the opposite impression. The Germans got burned when the sub-prime bubble burst because they were making a bundle off it. But since then, they’ve cleaned up their financial sector and are building up ties with the Chinese, who are buying up Euros and weening themselves off the dollar. How do you fit this in? Or do you have other data?
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    1. Lestor Thurow , former Dean of MIT, does a good job of explaining the advantage of building larger trading blocks to achieve economies of scale, captive consumers, etc in the book Head to Head, which was written in the late 1980’s. At that time the goal was to match the market power of Japan whereas today the issue is China. The Assistant Dean of MIT Bob McKersey gave me a copy of it and it is excellent. http://www.paperbackswap.com/Head-Coming-Economic-Lester-Thurow/book/0688111505/

    2. Richard Rosencrace, Adjunct Professor of Government at Kennedy School of Government, and more importantly, the Head of the US-China project, makes the case in the May-June 2010 issue of Foreign Affairs Magazine entitled “Bigger Is Better: The Case for A Trans-Atlantic Global Union”. http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/66225/richard-rosecrance/bigger-is-better.

    3. The American and EU banking interests today are interconnected. This is why taxpayer money was used to bail out German Banks. Obviously, they have different tactical objectives, and major exporters like Germany are unalterably opposed to quantitative easing by the Fed. Furthermore, they may disagree that the US dollar should remain the world reserve currency because it allows us to export our inflation to the world. However, the momentum is still in the direction of consolidation. Rockefeller and the Rothchildes will see to that. China is the common enemy.

  131. The strongest connection of course is the Anglo British one. But Wolfe of the Swiss Bank (UBC), a Soros lieutenant was deeply involved in financing and planning the Obama campaign. He played golf and road in the same golf cart with him at the Kennedy funeral. Soros–a Rothschilde man has been in to see Obama four times at the White House.

  132. 4. Finally, there is a lot of work being done to harmonize US laws with European ones in the financial area. I remember reading a book on this but the title escapes me.

  133. Sorry, this is the Elaine dance video…

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    God, that is a classic. One of my favorite moments of Seinfeld. Had to rewind several times.

    Bristol was very shy and tried really hard. I give her a lot of credit for trying.

  134. I heard that overall, civilian trials of accused terrorists were getting more convictions and/or longer sentences than military tribunals.

  135. “I heard that overall, civilian trials of accused terrorists were getting more convictions and/or longer sentences than military tribunals.”

    That’s what Hillary said. May just be true!

  136. Posted by Lori Ziganto (Profile)
    Tuesday, November 23rd at 9:30PM EST

    These days, the biased leftist slant of the media is more apparent than it has ever been. They are spinning madly, increasingly frantic with fear of those super scary Tea Partiers and oh-so-terrifying conservatives. And when you add Sarah Palin and race-based identity politics into the mix, it becomes a perfect storm of unabashed — and unbalanced — leftist water carrying.

    The Washington Post’s Richard Cohen is the latest to exhibit just how unglued the Left and the media, being concentric circles on a Venn diagram, natch, have become. Newsbusters points out that in the article titled “Attack on Michelle Obama shows Palin’s ignorance of history,” Cohen comes to the inane, and typically leftist, conclusion that Sarah Palin “could not be the president of black America nor of Hispanic America.” Um. Sure, I’m no swanky-pants Washington Post columnist, nor do I even have the vast experience of a community organizer from which to draw, but I’m fairly certain that the presidency isn’t segregated.

    Can’t let pesky facts stand in the way of a hit piece, though, can he? How does Cohen form his brilliant – and sure-fire entre into a good cocktail party this weekend – hypothesis? Because Sarah Palin dares to mention the following in her new book:

    In her new book, she reportedly takes Michelle Obama to task for her supposedly infamous remark from the 2008 campaign: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” […]

    Huh. Again, I’m no expert, but it seems to me that Michelle Obama actually did say that. So, by “taking her to task,” he of course means smearing with, you know, the truth. Oh, that wing-nutty Palin! Telling the truth and all. That’s so reactionary and old school! I suppose they don’t like that whole “Truth to Power” thing turned around on them. The book snippet to which he refers is as follows:

    Certainly his wife expressed this view when she said during the 2008 campaign that she had never felt proud of her country until her husband started winning elections. In retrospect, I guess this shouldn’t surprise us, since both of them spent almost two decades in the pews of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church listening to his rants against America and white people.

    Cohen isn’t alone in his delusions. The Huffington Post called that passage “racially charged.” Why? Because the Left, in their stompy foot temper tantrums, are letting their true colors show. And they are racist ones. It is the Left who only sees color. It is the Left who paints people into identity politics laden boxes only, in order to further their own end. They use people as a means to that end, with no regard to the harm it causes. This is evidenced further by Cohen, who after predictably bringing up slavery, went on to grossly say this:

    Sarah Palin teases that she might run for president. But she is unqualified – not just in the (let me count the) usual ways, but because she does not know the country. She could not be the president of black America nor of Hispanic America. She knows more about grizzlies than she does about African Americans – and she clearly has more interest in the former than the latter. Did she once just pick up the phone and ask Michelle Obama what she meant by her remark? Did she ask about her background? What it was like at Princeton? What it was like for her parents or her grandparents? I can offer a hint. If they were driving to Washington, they slowed down and stopped where the sign said “colored” – and the irritated Palins of the time angrily hit the horn and went on their way.

    Not only vile, but wrong. It is the Left who are still enslaving. They require people, particularly women and minorities, to walk and think in lockstep. It is people like Barbara Boxer, not Sarah Palin, who have no interest in African-Americans and what they think. Barbara Boxer doesn’t even realize that people have minds of their own. In a new version of the odious “y’all look alike’ bigotry, Barbara Boxer holds the disgusting belief that all people in the Left’s little boxed up identity groups must all think the same way. All “you people” think the same, you see. It was Harry Reid, not Sarah Palin, who condescending sneered “I don’t know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican.”

    The Smarter Than Us ™ Left, including their media lackeys, doesn’t believe in Post-Racial anything. In fact, quite the opposite: Their bread and butter is identity politics. In order to maintain power, they absolutely must put everyone in victim boxes and attempt to pit people against one and another. This worked to great effect in the past, with the media’s complicity. It’s far past time we put an end to it. While I expect the vitriol and animus spewed at Sarah Palin to get even worse, unbelievable as that is, the media’s cover has been blown. The media has been, and will continue to be, exposed due in part to the hateful and delusional rantings of the likes of Richard Cohen.

    To be fair, Richard Cohen, you are right in one regard. Sarah Palin couldn’t be president of black America. Because that isn’t, you know, a country. Contrary to your desires, and to John Edwards’ ridiculous Two Americas spiel, we are one nation. You, sir, are the one who is ignorant of history. First grade history, no less.

    We don’t have segregated presidencies. Nor should we. The very idea is racist in and of itself. What we do have are presidents of the United States of Ameri

  137. I heard that overall, civilian trials of accused terrorists were getting more convictions and/or longer sentences than military tribunals.”

    That’s what Hillary said. May just be true!
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    You cannot generalize that way, unless the cases themselves are identical.

  138. wbboei:

    1) The 1980s text has a lot of dust on it and was written in a context where the US was officially hostile to the coalescence of Europe. Gotta discount it as any official policy.

    2) This is a US source that probably shows the realization that the US does really need to ally with Europe. But this is Foreign Affairs, an objective and respectable source, but one that does not necessarily reflect international relations as they are actually developing. Also, it doesn’t express the European viewpoint. I still think the Europeans are growing more and more suspicious of any good that can be got, economically, out of the US – at this point in time, anyway.

    3) Here, you are actually developing my argument, only to say that Rockefeller and Rothchild will see to it that it doesn’t happen. Rockefeller and Rothchild are Anglo-American, as are most of the other big names in finance. The Germans are rich enough not to need their money. From the Germans’ viewpoint, the big Anglo-American financiers can go right ahead and invest in Germany or in China – it’s no skin off their nose and they will not be beholden to them. No one is going to make Merkel get down on her knees for Rothchild cash.

    4) “There is a lot of work being done to harmonize US laws with European ones in the financial area.” That’s a damned good thing for the US, but it doesn’t mean the Europeans are going to let the wolf into the sheep fold anytime soon.

    The Europeans got burned in 2008-09, but weathered it pretty well, and are now buckling down and getting ready for a double-dip recession, which they intend to weather just as well as the first blow despite the dire situations in Greece, Spain and Ireland. They’re not afraid to stand up against the Fed’s actions and the overall strategy is to withdraw from relations with the US. They’re also not afraid of going on to the Euro as the reserve currency, which is already happening. So I think any notions Rockefeller, Rothschild or Soros may have about passing the buck over the ocean can be shelved.

  139. lorac
    November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    I think Palin is not understanding because she isn’t putting Hillary’s statements and reactions in the context of the time they happened. While the good ole boys’ club still exists and Sarah has had to deal with it, it’s nothing like what it used to be when Hillary was “coming up”. When Hillary was starting out, women were still fighting to be fairly allowed to work outside the home, and then to move upwards from there. Now, years later, there are women who are fighting for acceptance as stay at home moms (those who can afford it, anyway lol).

    So, it’s almost like Palin is judging Hillary’s statements in today’s context – women want the right to be stay at home moms, and here’s Hillary making fun of people baking cookies and staying home. Well, that certainly isn’t an accurate way to interpret Hillary’s comments. I think there are a lot of feminist things about Sarah, but I suspect she’s not really well versed on the history of the women’s movement, or on the changing expectations of women….

    There’s no misunderstanding at all. This is Sarah Palin cynically misrepresenting what Hillary said. If Sarah respected her, you’d think she’d give her the benefit of the doubt, and at least look for the context of Hillary’s statement.

    And to lump Hillary with people who are, “disdainful of traditional family life and the joys and fulfillment we find in motherhood”?! Despicable.

    President Kennedy’s 1960 Houston speech on religion receives similar treatment in her book.

    Can wait for the next time this idiot “whines” about “Gotcha journalism” again…..

  140. ————————————–

    There’s no misunderstanding at all. This is Sarah Palin cynically misrepresenting what Hillary said. If Sarah respected her, you’d think she’d give her the benefit of the doubt, and at least look for the context of Hillary’s statement.

    And to lump Hillary with people who are, “disdainful of traditional family life and the joys and fulfillment we find in motherhood”?! Despicable.

    President Kennedy’s 1960 Houston speech on religion receives similar treatment in her book.

    Can wait for the next time this idiot “whines” about “Gotcha journalism” again…..

  141. “I think there are a lot of feminist things about Sarah,…”

    The most feminist thing, I think, is that she’s in it for herself. She’s not in it to get Todd elected president, which is what Hillary was doing in 1992, working for Bill. So this swipe at Hillary’s “disdain” for the stay-at-home mom is hypocritical at best.

    Palin wants to stand on Hillary’s shoulders, but she is only walking in her footsteps, ie behind Hillary, and in her shadow. She’s starting to look more like Ø all the time – it’s all about her and her place in the sun. Who really cares what she thinks about JFK’s speech or Hillary’s statements or actions? It’s all just a publicity stunt to get some attention for herself.

  142. As I said earlier- Palin has to grow and develop a platform. At this point in time, If she doesn’t grow demonstrating an understanding of the diveristy that is America, she will be relegated to the dustbin of history. She also has to be careful of overexposure. The reality series, her book, a Fox contributor may just be enough for now. Her daughter has become a controversial figure using much of Palin’s political capital over tv minutia. She needs to show true grit and focus on Obama with fact after fact of the true misery he has rained down on Americans outlining his broken promises contrasted with available solutions.

  143. Republicans are gearing up for Social Security Reform. Isn’t it strange, not a word about repayment for the billions borrowed from the SS piggy bank over the years. The only source of revenue laying waste to the taxpayer the politicians are eyeing from the land of diminishing returns. Beware of reforms- always think: Who benefits?
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    From Retirement Ethic To Work Ethic
    Longevity is a key factor in the fiscal outlook for Social Security and the other old-age entitlement, Medicare. It determines how many beneficiaries there will be at a particular eligibility age. It also tells us how many workers will be supporting those beneficiaries.

    The trend since World War II has been toward more retirees supported by relatively fewer workers — and not just because families are betting smaller. People also are spending a shorter stretch of their lives in the work force.

    Ryan, in his “Roadmap for America,” notes that the average retirement age fell from 69.7 in 1945 to 63.6 in 2007. The average number of years spent working has probably decreased even more than that, because far more Americans go to college now and delay entry into the work force.

    One could say that America’s old work ethic is being gradually replaced by a retirement ethic, in which the point of working is to get it over with as soon as possible. It’s a pleasant way to live, and we can see why so many aspire to it. But someone has to pay the bills, and only a handful of people win the lottery or inherit big estates. Most wealth still comes from work, and less work means less wealth all around — before retirement and after.

    So raising the retirement age would not just solve a specific fiscal problem, the solvency of Social Security. It also would push back against a trend that, if left unchecked, could produce a vast leisure class supported by dwindling ranks of overburdened workers.

    The American people can figure this out. That’s why we believe they are ready for serious talk about reform.

    Longevity is a key factor in the fiscal outlook for Social Security and the other old-age entitlement, Medicare. It determines how many beneficiaries there will be at a particular eligibility age. It also tells us how many workers will be supporting those beneficiaries.

    The trend since World War II has been toward more retirees supported by relatively fewer workers — and not just because families are betting smaller. People also are spending a shorter stretch of their lives in the work force.

    Ryan, in his “Roadmap for America,” notes that the average retirement age fell from 69.7 in 1945 to 63.6 in 2007. The average number of years spent working has probably decreased even more than that, because far more Americans go to college now and delay entry into the work force.

    One could say that America’s old work ethic is being gradually replaced by a retirement ethic, in which the point of working is to get it over with as soon as possible. It’s a pleasant way to live, and we can see why so many aspire to it. But someone has to pay the bills, and only a handful of people win the lottery or inherit big estates. Most wealth still comes from work, and less work means less wealth all around — before retirement and after.

    So raising the retirement age would not just solve a specific fiscal problem, the solvency of Social Security. It also would push back against a trend that, if left unchecked, could produce a vast leisure class supported by dwindling ranks of overburdened workers.

    The American people can figure this out. That’s why we believe they are ready for serious talk about reform.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/554721/201011231900/From-Retirement-Ethic-To-Work-Ethic.htm
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    Yes, we have figured it out. With the ignored job losses over the last few years, liquidity seems to be Congresses problem. They cannot borrow any more money from SS without disrupting the system causing empirical short falls. So it seems they must once again beg for cuts to the system at taxpayer expense without providing a cautery for restoration of the SS treasury at a later date to stem the bleeding.

  144. “Palin wants to stand on Hillary’s shoulders, but she is only walking in her footsteps, ie behind Hillary, and in her shadow. She’s starting to look more like Ø all the time – it’s all about her and her place in the sun. Who really cares what she thinks about JFK’s speech or Hillary’s statements or actions? It’s all just a publicity stunt to get some attention for herself.”

    ——————–

    Woah! Another time we are in agreement. 🙂

  145. FWIW: Palin is supporting Miller. By and large in the end, Sarah is “good” for Hillary. She draws the Hillary unlikeables who will follow her if she throws her support to Hillary if she runs. Otherwise she can always recant and reinterpret her statement. I don’t think Palin has commited so much of a Capital sin as she has opened herself up to a network unavailable to Hillary just yet.
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    Alaska candidate sues over Senate election results

    ANCHORAGE (Reuters) – Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller filed suit in Alaska state court Monday challenging the election victory of incumbent Senator Lisa Murkowski and effectively halting certification of results.

    Miller’s 21-page lawsuit closely tracks an earlier complaint filed in federal court challenging write-in votes for Murkowski in the Nov. 2 election.

    A member of one of the state’s most powerful political families and a senator since 2002, Republican Murkowski had to campaign to get voters to write her name on the ballot after Miller, backed by the Tea Party movement and former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, defeated her in Alaska’s Republican primary in August.

    Miller, who stunned experts by beating Murkowski, claims that elections officials violated state law by interpreting write-in ballots as votes for Murkowski despite spelling and handwriting mistakes.

    Murkowski’s camp swiftly issued a written statement saying she would file a challenge of her own.

    “In order to ensure the intent of voters is fully honored and that every Alaskan’s vote is protected, the Murkowski campaign will be intervening in Mr. Miller’s baseless litigation,” Murkowski campaign manager Kevin Sweeney said in the statement.

    With Murkowski having trumped Miller by more than 10,000 votes, or 4.5 percent of the total cast, state officials have said they hoped to certify the election by Nov. 29.

    Miller has contested 8,159 of those votes and claims that even some of the votes that were written incorrectly for Murkowski may be fraudulent.

    The result of the last undecided race of the Nov. 2 congressional elections does not alter the makeup of the Senate, where Republicans picked up six seats but the Democrats retained their majority.

    Miller is trying to raise money to continue his court battle to overturn the election results.

    Senator Jim DeMint, the South Carolina Republican and Tea Party leader, is seeking donations through his Senate Conservatives Fund. DeMint’s website reported it has raised $152,200 to date for the “Joe Miller Recount Fund.”
    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Alaska+candidate+sues+over+Senate+election+results/3868852/story.html#ixzz16Cps0fTh

  146. Obama tightening the screws as we type-
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    It’s Official – The FCC Will Vote to Take Over the Internet in December

    by Seton Motley

    Just this past Friday, we warned you that a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) December Internet power grab was probably coming.

    Well, we now know that it is – and it may be even worse than we thought.

    http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/11/23/its-official-the-fcc-will-vote-to-take-over-the-internet-in-december/

  147. Death threats over a dance program, you have to be crazy. Yet at the convention, not one HRC supporter walked out and took to the streets to protect our democracy.

    There is truely something wrong about that. We care more about a dumb dance program than our democracy.
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    SORRY, Shadowfox, What I meant to say was not ONE HILLARY DELEGATE WALKED OUT. I knew there were supporters there buried by the media, but what the media could not have buried would have been the walk out of HILLARY DELEGATES. I also know there are Delegates that read this blog. But a Walk out by a Delegate or Delagates would have been noticed. Correct me if I am wrong, which I know you will do, but if enough walked out, they would have stopped the convention.

    It was obvious in the election of DELEGATES here that they wanted Tried and True (regular Democrats that they knew)as HRC Delegates, not Grass Roots people. Why? because they knew they would not walk out, but would fold in. They knew had they elected ME, I would have been screaming in the Convention Mikes, and leading the group, because I had not developed long term loyalties to the group (in NM we are calling it pay to play, awarding contract or jobs to people who should not get them at high profits and pay), my job did not depend on them, and I they knew I would be strong enought to walk out, and who knows might even take people with me that could not be ignored.

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE LIKE SHADOW, Whom I knew went to Denver at their own expense, camped out, and did their best to try to make that convention a Democratic Process. I am sorry I was mis-understood.

    The only Delegate I saw Protest was that Women Lawyer, Is it McAlred, or something like that, who wore a Gag, and as I remember that was shown by the media. They would have stopped that convention had they walked out.

  148. NMF:

    The Arkansas and Ohio delegations were to stage a walk-out in Denver in support of Hillary. For some unknown reason, a good friend of Bill and Hillary’s, the AK Chairman of the Dem Party, Bill Gwatney shot dead and another long time friend, Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones died suddenly under suspicious circumstances. (CiA blk ops?) Therefore, Hillary’s plans stood neutralized several weeks before the nomination. Time for regrouping for more support before Denver not an option.

    After all, two Hillary loyalists found dead within weeks of each other surly does stir the mind as an example of what happens to anyone preventing the ‘one’ from following through on the nomination. We’ll never know for sure, if these two heroes were the examples if anyone else had ideas of fighting for Hillary.

    I remember first hand accounts of pumas on the ground the night of the nomination. It was a scary scene. Thugs everywhere intimidating supporters who dared to dissent. Bots were told NO violence. As it would reflect badly on the ‘one’ as he coyly appeared surprised and exhilarated at the prospect of his popularity trumping Hillary in full view of Americans glued to their tvees.

  149. When McCain brought Palin on the scene and I heard her the first few times say ‘good old boys network’ in her speeches, I gushed on Anglachel that a mother of 5 and a governor and married to almost a house husband could actually spell progress (even though she was a Republican) for women and how much of a slap that would be for the Dims to have rejected Hillary. Palin never rose to the occasion and still has not. But she has sex appeal and says things others won’t which gives her the populist appeal.

  150. Mrs. Smith
    November 24th, 2010 at 9:44 am
    NMF:

    The Arkansas and Ohio delegations were to stage a walk-out in Denver in support of Hillary. For some unknown reason, a good friend of Bill and Hillary’s, the AK Chairman of the Dem Party, Bill Gwatney shot dead and another long time friend, Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones died suddenly under suspicious circumstances. (CiA blk ops?) Therefore, Hillary’s plans stood neutralized several weeks before the nomination. Time for regrouping for more support before Denver not an option.

    After all, two Hillary loyalists found dead within weeks of each other surly does stir the mind as an example of what happens to anyone preventing the ‘one’ from following through on the nomination. We’ll never know for sure, if these two heroes were the examples if anyone else had ideas of fighting for Hillary.

    I remember first hand accounts of pumas on the ground the night of the nomination. It was a scary scene. Thugs everywhere intimidating supporters who dared to dissent. Bots were told NO violence. As it would reflect badly on the ‘one’ as he coyly appeared surprised and exhilarated at the prospect of his popularity trumping Hillary in full view of Americans glued to their tvees.

    —–
    Stephanie Tubbs Jones died of a brain aneuryism.

  151. 1) The 1980s text has a lot of dust on it and was written in a context where the US was officially hostile to the coalescence of Europe. Gotta discount it as any official policy.
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    Question: I mentioned that book as a primer on the economics of trading blocks. Have you read it? The book I mean? If you haven’t you really should. The laws of Isaac Newton are old as well. But Newton’s second law-i.e. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction remains holy writ among mathematicians and physicists. We are dealing here with the laws of economics. You may prefer to call them theories. But many of them carry the weight of law among economists, and they have become the basis for policy decisions here and around the world. Therefore, we proceed on the assumption that they are as fixed and immutable as the second law.

    You are correct that at the time Thurow wrote the book, he saw greater Europe as a competitor rather than an ally. But as you can see from the second article–Bigger Is Better: The Case for a Transatlantic Union the thinking has changed in response to new economic realities–primarily the rise of China. The counterpoint to this is Germany. As a nation state, they are loathe to take on the debt of the United States, after previously rescued the moribund economy of East Germany, and being on the hook for the sick men of Europe, i.e. Greece, Italy, Spain and now perhaps Ireland. Furthermore, they have forged energy and other alliance with Putin. Therefore, any effort to achieve a Trans Atlantic Union at the moment would fail. But there are larger forces at work. One is the economies of scale.

    The other factor is the rise of China. Today China is supporting the euro. But that can easily change. One of the factors motivating China is need for foreign markets until such time as their own domestic market has been fully developed. Once that happens, they are truly in the drivers seat because at that point they can invest or divest at will and control countries without firing a shot. Ten centuries ago Jengis Khan found his way across Europe with the finest light cavalry in the world, and he stopped at the Rhine. The Germans were terrified but they raised an army to meet him. For reasons no one today can tell us, Khan turned around and went home, and the Germans felt a brush with death which they have never forgotten. Having worked for a German company, briefly, who was forever telling us that we were now part of the Holy Roman Empire, I know that history is central to their thinking. The same goes for China today.

    The article itself did not just show up on the pages of that esteemed publication by accident. There was malice aforethought behind it. It represents a strand of thinking on the Council of Foreign Relations, and the editor who is an extension of the council put it out there for to test the water in the intellectual community. Just look at the cover of this the latest issue of the Economist and you will get some idea as to why.

    If you want a more current discussion on the subject, I recommend The Principles of Macroeconomics by Manikaw. It is the current text book today at many universities. He points out that a country that wants free trade can do so either unilaterally as Britain did in the 19th century, or it can do so through alliances. If it does not dominate the world stage like Britain did, then alliances like NAFTA and a transatlantic union are indicated. It gets back to the principles discussed by Thurow. As Manikaw says however: the advantage of the unilateral approach is it can reduce trade restrictions at home as well as abroad. But IF negotiations fail, they can result in more restricted trade.

  152. Dems still determined to stick it to us during the holiday season … just like last year. It has become a tradition, I suppose.
    Editorial: Union payback
    Harry Reid rewards Labor by pushing a public safety bargaining bill that would be ruinous to local communities
    The Detroit News
    Having survived a near-death experience on Election Day thanks largely to massive donations from labor unions, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is paying back his benefactors. The Democrat from Nevada says that during Congress’ lame duck session he will try to once again force through a measure giving police and fire unions the upper hand in dealing with local communities. Reid will seek a cloture vote on the Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act, which despite its name has little to do with cooperation. Rather, the bill would be a federal clone of Michigan’s disastrous Public Act 312, which is blamed with ruining the finances of scores of communities, including Detroit, and pushing many to the brink of bankruptcy snip The bill would make it easier for police and firefighters to organize labor unions and force all officers to join, even in right-to-work states. That’s a brazen usurpation of state authority, and very likely unconstitutional….
    http://detnews.com/article/20101124/OPINION01/11240315/1008/opinion01/Editorial–Union-payback

  153. The Council of Foreign Relations is an estimable body. One of the founders was George Kennan who was one of Roosevelt’s four wise men, and a first rate thinker. But whenever I get too . . . worshipful and deferential toward that esteemed organization based on the past presence of people like Kennan and his ilk, someone reminds me the Joe Klein of Newsweek, a certifiable idiot apparently has a seat–why I will never know. It calls to mind something our first Ambassador to the Soviet Union said to Kennan about these grandiose world leaders. He said George, whenever I start to get too impressed with these (tin gods), I remember that they are 90% water. It the case of Joe Klein that is demonstrably true, and it is all on the brain.

  154. “Stephanie Tubbs Jones died of a brain aneuryism.”
    ______________________

    We hope- (said tongue in cheek) STJ was perfectly fine that morning leaving her staff and office with the days todo list. Generally, there are symptoms, i.e. a severe headache or unrecognizable pain in the head somewhere. She exhibited none of these symptoms at her office. On the contrary she was looking forward to her day’s work. Within minutes of driving a brief distance from her office, she was found dead slumped over the wheel of her car.

    Coincidence? I don’t believe in fatal coincidences.

  155. New Mexico Fan,
    That’s exactly what they did here in Texas…you got elected if you were thought to be a yellow dog union member. In fact, at the delegate election I attended here at my county election for state delegates that was my election speech. I said (which was sneaky) ” I was the daughter of two AFL-CIO union member yellow dog democrats that had walked many pickett lines while I was growing up” I was elected! Of coarse, I couldn’t get off work at the last minute and my alt. had to go in my place, but I made sure she was TRUE Hillary supporter.

  156. Things Senators should never do in public #102 Read porn on a plane

    Mr. Smut Goes to Washington

    http://detnews.com/article/20101124/MIVIEW/101124004/Mr.-Smut-goes-to-Washington

    While November’s election brought a tsunami of change to Michigan policies, some incumbents are untouchable. So untouchable, apparently, that they openly read girlie magazines on their trips to and from Washington, DC. Detroit Congressman John Conyers was caught on film in a late July flight this year perusing a Playboy magazine on a trip from Detroit to Washington.

    The video and pictures – first posted by ex-Detroit News reporter and New York Times Pulitzer Prize winner Charlie LeDuff on his Facebook page – were taken by an anonymous passenger seated two seats from Conyers (see video here). Conyers – in his aisle seat – is shown flipping though pages showing two nude gal pals in the August issue of Playboy. And he also apparently reads Hefner’s product for the articles. The pages he lingers on appear to feature an article entitled “La Chatte” by Maureen Gibbon, on article exploring lesbian sex.

    Of course, Mr. Conyers is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, so it is entirely possible he is preparing for a committee hearing on the legal definition of pornography. Or perhaps he is studying new TSA pat-down procedures for female passengers.

    Whatever the case, the congressman doesn’t seem bashful about sharing the magazine with nearby passengers and passing stewardesses. After all, Conyers is not a bashful man. He once used staff as baby sitters and chauffeurs for his children. And this children attended Cranbrook private school at a time when the congressman opposed giving his own constituents the choice of more charter schools.

    Obviously, this is a politician who is not easily embarrassed.

  157. Commentary

    Divergent views on strategy to optimize party

    Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi

    By Patricio Navia
    For the Herald

    The two most powerful women in the Democratic Party represent two divergent views on what strategy will optimize the party’s chances to stay in the White House after 2012. Nancy Pelosi is pushing to move the party to the left while Hillary Clinton embodies a more pragmatic approach to better represent moderate voters.

    In a time of high partisanship, only those loyal to the most sacred beliefs of the Democratic Party can lead the regrouping after the midterm election defeat. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and outgoing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi can claim pure democratic DNA. Their personal history and political career is defined by partisan principles. They both have very high negatives among Republicans. Just like Republican presidential hopeful Sarah Palin, Clinton and Pelosi generate as much resistance among political opponents as support among sympathizers.

    Yet, Clinton and Pelosi have more differences than similarities. Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, born on October 26, 1947, represents the centrist wing of the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi, born on March 26, 1940, positions herself on the left. Hillary entered politics in Arkansas in 1974, together with her husband Bill Clinton, who unsuccessfully ran for Congress a year after they completed their law degree. Nancy Pelosi was born when her father Thomas D’Alessandro served in Congress. She grew up in Washington and Baltimore, where her father later served as mayor.

    Pelosi made a political career in San Francisco, one of the most liberal cities in the United States. She has served in Congress since 1987. During the Clinton years (1993-2001), Pelosi worked her way up the leadership of her party. Under the Bush administration, Pelosi emerged as a vocal opponent of tax breaks and restrictions on civil liberties. She became the House minority whip in 2002 and the House minority leader in 2003. When democrats gained control of the House in 2006, she became the first woman to be the Speaker of the House, second in the line of presidential succession after the vice-president.

    Clinton built a career in her husband’s shadow in Arkansas, a conservative state. After having supported her husband’s career all the way to the White House, Clinton started her own political career when she was elected senator from New York in 2000. She struggled to hold moderate positions during the Bush administration, infuriating liberals — including Pelosi — for her support to the war in Iraq. In 2004, she decided against running for the democratic presidential nomination in part because of George W. Bush’s popularity, but also because she lacked support within the dominant leftwing party base. In 2008, she secured the support of many Democratic governors and elected leaders but failed to win the nomination when the inexperienced senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, won over the support of the left-leaning base. After winning the election, Obama asked Clinton to be his secretary of state. Since taking office, Clinton has showed a remarkable discipline and built strong bipartisan support for the administration foreign policy agenda.

    After the 2010 midterm elections, Pelosi came under fire from centrist voices within her party. Democrats lost 63 seats and now will hold 190 seats in the 435-member House of Representatives. Disregarding calls to step down, Pelosi successfully ran to be the House minority leader. She announced that her intention will be to block the Republican majority agenda. In short, Pelosi believes the Democratic Party lost the midterm election because it did not deliver on the liberal promises made during the campaign. For her, the party needs to move left to attract a disenchanted electorate.

    Clinton, whose position prevented her from playing an active role in the campaign, has also emerged as a key actor as democrats seek to regroup. News leaks and off-the-record remarks have fueled the rumour that Clinton will replace Joe Biden as the vice-presidential candidate in Obama’s re-election bid on the expectation that she might run for the presidency in 2016 — she will be 69 then. Others have even suggested that she ought to replace Obama as the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. Although she has high negatives among Republican sympathizers, she is well regarded as a consensus builder and moderate leader among independents. Her strong credentials on defence, anti-terrorism and her political experience are valuable assets in a party criticized for having a president who has failed to materialize the message of change into a reality of economic recovery.

    In the next few months, as Democrats outline their strategy for the next year and the 2012 election, Pelosi and Clinton will embody the two divergent views that divide the Democratic Party. Though they both share strong anti-Republican positions, Clinton embodies a moderate and pragmatic approach to politics while Pelosi will seek to rebuild the party on its liberal leftwing base. The decision President Obama needs to make inevitably will bring victory for one of these women and the sounding defeat of the other. Washington does not seem big enough for these two powerful leaders to survive as the Democratic Party regroups after the 2010 midterm election defeat.

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/52077

  158. Group Wants Hillary Clinton for President in 2012
    By Paul Bedard

    November 24, 2010

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says she done with running for president, but her fans aren’t giving up so fast. A Facebook group called Hillary Clinton for 2012!! is organizing a meeting in Washington to talk about plans to coax her into the race. “Right now,” says organizer and publicist Will Bower, “we are simply aiming to keep HRC’s strongest supporters united for if and when that day comes when Hillary either challenges in 2012 and/or makes a run in 2016. And, of course, to rally as many people as possible to strongly encourage and petition her to do so— preferably the 2012 option.

    http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/11/24/group-wants-hillary-clinton-for-president-in-2012.html

  159. Clinton and the Nuclear Scientist

    Rebecca N. White | November 24, 2010

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with Dr. Siegfried Hecker of Stanford University yesterday about North Korea. The nuclear expert was one of a few scientists invited to Yongbyon to take a peek at North Korea’s new uranium-enrichment facility. Hecker’s first reaction when he visited on November 12 was, “Oh my God, they actually did what they said they were going to do.” The North Koreans took pains to point out that the settings on the machines inside the facilities were set for low-enriched fuel, not the highly enriched uranium necessary for making weapons. And they wanted nuclear scientists to see it firsthand and then tell the world about it. Acting Deputy State Department spokesman Mark Toner wouldn’t reveal exactly what Hecker told Clinton, but he said “she was obviously briefed on the details of his visit to North Korea.” Clinton had a regular meeting yesterday with National Security Adviser Tom Donilon and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates that touched on North Korea, and the secretary of state was expected to make “calls to some of her counterparts in the region.”

    In Beijing, U.S. envoy Stephen Bosworth reiterated that Washington is “firmly committed to the defense of the Republic of Korea and to the maintenance of peace and stability in northeast Asia.” According to Toner, Bosworth met with Chinese Special Representative on Korean Peninsular Affairs Wu Dawei among others.

    Yesterday, General David Petraeus, commander of forces in Afghanistan, said that alliance forces are employing an “anaconda strategy” on the Taliban. The goal is to “squeeze the life” out of the militants. He also said that Pakistan has recognized “the need for more operations in North Waziristan,” the base from which insurgents are mounting attacks on NATO troops across the border in Afghanistan. According to the general, the Pakistani security forces have already launched some “very impressive counterinsurgency operations.” But as impressive as they may be, there is more to be done.

    http://nationalinterest.org/node/4475

  160. Mrs. Smith,
    It was definitely unusual that she had no symtoms before she had that aneurysm. You would at least felt nauseated because the vessel had to be swelling before hand…I think! I thought the whole death of both of those Hillary supporters were highly suspect.

    Arkansas went red after that and their delegates went 100% for BO. I thought that was also shocking.

  161. #
    JanH
    November 24th, 2010 at 8:13 am

    “Palin wants to stand on Hillary’s shoulders, but she is only walking in her footsteps, ie behind Hillary, and in her shadow. She’s starting to look more like Ø all the time – it’s all about her and her place in the sun. Who really cares what she thinks about JFK’s speech or Hillary’s statements or actions? It’s all just a publicity stunt to get some attention for herself.”

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    Woah! Another time we are in agreement. 🙂

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    I make the third in agreement and also agree with Kingsgrove on the timeline of events.

  162. JanH 11:50am,
    That was some kind of article…it is clearly saying there will be a fight for power of the party between Pelosi and Hillary. Hmmm, hmmm! I not sure I agree with this! It would be more accurate if it were told as Pelosi/Obama against Hillary, then I think it would be true. Of coarse the news media would never tell the truth.

    I am glad Hillary is meeting with all these people about NK while the idiot is going on TV and campaigning again!

  163. Mop, That’s terrible! Conyers is awful…I hate porn and all its by products! It is a slap in the face to womanhood. I will never condone any part of it. It’s disgusting!

  164. NewMexicoFan

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    SORRY, Shadowfox

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    Thanks for that NewMexicoFan

    I honestly don’t know much about how they pick delegates, seems as though you have to come from some level of the political machine, yes, so there is ‘control’ by the party big wigs (DNC).
    Before 2008, maybe this was okay, and the DNC/Barry took advantage of Hillary with it.
    I did hear that days before the convention, in Denver, delegates were trying to reach eachother. Many told me this. That they did not have email addresses or phone numbers of all Hillary’s delegates and besides word of mouth, asked the DNC and they refused to give out this info. There were some meetings of delegates to try and organize, to support Hillary, and seeing that delegate with the gag over her mouth was one of the things that came out of it.
    Delegates were threatened, yet many did not give up.
    I also heard that the Calif delegates had to be in Sacramento for some important vote, knowing this, Nasty moved the time to vote on the floor of the convention up so those delegates could not fly there in time. I heard many were scrambling to fly their in time when the voting time was changed.

    Nasty played a big part in this corruption, this is what I was told.

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