Almost Completely Naked: Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Part III

Today we discuss the most naked political player of all as he hurls insult after insult at Barack Obama. Snark all you want about “naked” and “Bill Clinton” put together you Clinton haters and Obama Hopium Guzzlers – but Bill is as popular as ever and as powerful as ever and as confounding a thriving survivor as ever.

We previously discussed Naked Sarah Palin and Naked Hillary Clinton and today we laugh at how brutally Bill Clinton attacks Barack Obama. Quick, what is the most repeated argument Bill Clinton makes as he campaigns for candidates around the nation? The answer is a disguised attack on Barack Obama and one David Axelrod does not appreciate.

This morning Fox & Friends produced a segment about how David Axelrod does not like Bill Clinton’s Big Argument as he campaigns around the nation. As Bill Clinton travels the nation making a naked series of attacks against Barack Obama most Big Media outlets either miss or dress up Bill Clinton’s remarks. For instance, the dumb New York Times published a story last week stupidly called “Bill Clinton Stumps For Obama“. The story included Bill Clinton’s most repeated argument this campaign season:

“Bill Clinton Stumps for Obama [snip]

Even though Mr. Clinton insisted on Monday that he was only “peripherally and fleetingly” back in politics, he has been headlining rallies and fund-raisers across the country to buck up the depressed party faithful.

“They shouldn’t take this lying down,” Mr. Clinton said during a meeting with reporters and editors of The New York Times on Monday.

Blaming Republican policies for digging the deep hole the economy is in, he said the Democrats needed to plead with voters for more time to turn things around.

“I think we ought to say, ‘Look, don’t go back to the shovel brigade — give us two more years; if you don’t feel better you can throw us all out.’ ”

Um…, what quadrennial event occurs in two more years, in 2012? Why, surprise, surprise, surprise, it’s the presidential elections. Bill Clinton is saying that if things don’t get better in two years – sufficiently better that voters “don’t feel better” – then throw Barack out. Idiots at the New York Times apparently do not get the consequences of the argument Bill Clinton has crafted. These are writers who must not understand that “The Emperor’s New Clothes” is not just about clothes. Not the brightest at the New York Times these days, well educated no doubt, but dumb as a bag of bricks.

The introductory passage in the article is even worse. Who can write sentences such as these and not expect to be labeled gullible or stupid, or both: “He was against him before he was for him.” “…Bill Clinton was often at angry odds with the man who ultimately defeated his wife.” “…Mr. Clinton is stumping hard to help his onetime foe — and has emerged as one of the most important defenders of President Obama’s Congressional majorities.” These idiots apparently do not understand that every single time Bill Clinton speaks it demonstrates how sorely unqualified and lacking Barack Obama is.

Does it occur to the dolts that effectively saying ‘throw Barack Obama out in 2012’ is not “stumping hard to help his onetime foe.” In addition when Bill Clinton adds “And I think they can” to his main point “I hope they can avoid calamity” this does not mean that Bill Clinton thinks Obama Dimocrats will avoid calamity. Bill Clinton understands the difference between HOPE and actual performance.

The dolts at the New York Times might not understand what Bill Clinton is up to, but as Fox & Friends took notice of today, David Axelrod recognizes a threat when he sees one:

“(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: I’d like to see him say, “We couldn’t get out of this $3 trillion hole in 21 months. Give us two more years. Don’t go back to the policies that dug the hole. But if we don’t do better” — this is the last thing — “if we don’t do better, you can vote against us all, and I’ll be on the ballot, too. Vote against us all if it’s not better.”

(END VIDEO CLIP)

AMANPOUR: So is that good political advice, vote against us all? Is that what President Obama will take, that advice? Will you say that to people?

AXELROD: Well, President Clinton is a — is a great politician, and I’m not in any way going to quarrel with him. I think people in 2012 will vote on this. I don’t think they need an invitation to do so.

Axelrod knows what Bill Clinton is getting at even if the dolts at the New York Times are too oblivious. Bill Clinton is everywhere with the message of a clean-up in 2012. But more importantly, every time Bill Clinton appears (he’s been campaigning or will campaign in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Georgia, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, California, Meet The Press, On the Record, and The Daily Show With Jon Stewart) Americans see what a real president looks like and compare him to the boob currently golfing and partying with his sleeveless wife.

And talk about absolutely NAKED. Here’s Bill Clinton discussing why he is speaking and making so many campaign appearances (note to dolts at New York Times, it’s about Hillary Clinton not to “help his onetime foe” Barack Obama):

“Mr. Clinton said he began making appearances only because Mrs. Clinton, in her current position, is forbidden from politicking. “So there was nobody besides me to honor the people that supported her,” he said.”

David Budowsky of The Hill makes a strong case for the abilities of Bill Clinton. Budowsky compares Bill Clinton to Babe Ruth “stepping to the plate”. Budowsky believes Bill Clinton can save the elections if he goes “full force”:

“As the 2010 campaign snarls to a close, Bill Clinton is the only living former president Americans identify with better times, economic optimism and prosperity.[snip]

The game-changing power of Bill Clinton in 2010 is that the last prosperous economy most voters remember was during the Clinton presidency.[snip]

With dozens of races too close to call, keep your eye on William Jefferson Clinton.”

Bill Clinton cannot save Obama Dimocrats and he himself knows that better than anyone. Bill Clinton is campaigning but he knows most of the candidates are politically dead and buried already and the most he can do is clear the path for a return to the party of FDR and a candidate in 2012 who is “ready on Day 1”. That party is not the Obama Dimocratic Party and that candidate is not Barack Obama.

Bill Clinton has been almost completely NAKED when he says things such as this:

“Bill Clinton largely steered clear of politics during the conference, but said at one point he wished more world leaders made their decisions based on facts.

“Do you know how many political and economic decisions are made in this world by people who don’t know what in the living daylights they are talking about?” Clinton said.”

Anyone think Barack Obama did not see this as a naked slap at himself? Anyone doubt that Michelle Obama yanked the sleeves of innocent passersby when she heard that?

Toby Harnden, puts a sinister veneer to the entire exercise, but at least he is aware that Bill Clinton is no fan of Barack Obama:

“What does Bill Clinton really think about ‘articulate and attractive’ Barack Obama?

Although Bill Clinton had the occasional intemperate outburst during the 2008 primary campaign, it is generally wise to assume that nothing he and his wife say is accidental. They weight their words carefully, often with a view to their own long-term political interests.

Ever since her 2008 disappointment, I’ve always thought that Hillary Clinton would run for president again in 2016 and, this far out, would stand a very good chance of winning. Given the way President Barack Obama’s performing, a 2012 primary challenge is not inconceivable.

So it was interesting to see Bill Clinton on two Sunday talk shows making fairly positive noises about the Tea Party – in stark contrast to the White House and Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill, who can’t stop themselves chortling about how stupid and bigoted they think members of the movement they are.

But what caught my ear was this from Bill Clinton on NBC: “The question is, what are the specifics? What really matters is what we’re going to do. And right now they’ve elected a lot of people who are articulate and attractive.” Read the full transcript here.

Ostensibly, he was referring to Tea Party victors in Republican primaries, such as Joe Miller and Christine O’Donnell. But the concept of “articulate and attractive” but lacking in policy heft was exactly the Clintonian critique of Obama in 2008 – a critique, it has to be said, which looks ever more accurate as time goes on.

While many Hillary supporters wish Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton would not do anything which in any way could be construed as support for Barack Obama the fact of the matter is that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton know that someone is going to have to pick up the pieces of the Obama disaster and put together a viable opposition party in the mold of FDR. This adds another layer of understanding to Bill Clinton’s remarks that voters elect Democrats to fix things when they get messed up.

In addition, imagine the contempt Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton would engender among the very voters they will have to some day unite to clean up the Obama mess if they had pulled a Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, Joe Lieberman, Mike Castle type stunt to stay in power.

More from Harnden:

“So, to paraphrase Bill, right now we need leaders of substance who are not just pretty faces with fine words. Sounds to me like code for “We need Hillary not Obama” and the Clintons are already putting down a marker for another White House run.

During the 2008 primary campaigns we often heard the argument that “it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush”, add Barack Obama’s mess to the Clinton clean up the mess equation.

While we’re at examining what exactly it is that Bill Clinton is saying these days let’s discuss this much ballyhooed ‘failed prediction’ on health care:

“Former president Bill Clinton, a champion of healthcare reform, admitted on Sunday that he made the wrong prediction about the popularity of President Obama’s healthcare bill.

Initially, Clinton had predicted that the polls in favor of Democrats would be boosted as soon as the legislation was signed into law. Instead, Clinton said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” his prediction was wrong for two reasons.

“First of all, the benefits of the bill are spread out of three or four years. It takes a long time to implement. And secondly, there has been an enormous and highly effective attack on it,” he said.[snip]

“I think he was shocked at the intensity of the Republican opposition,” Clinton said.”

Only a naive dope would have been shocked at the intensity of Republican opposition and all during the 2008 primaries Hillary Clinton said that Obama thought celestial choirs would sing after the elections. So why was there shock and awe at the united Republican front?

What was the context in which Bill Clinton advocated for a genuine health care reform plan at the Nutroots Nation conclave of Obama Hopium Guzzlers? The New York Times reported this on August 14, 2009:

“He complimented President Obama’s town-hall meeting in New Hampshire earlier in the week, saying he hit the right message. (He oddly noted, though, that “one good day in New Hampshire does not a campaign make,” which, while he was referring to Mr. Obama’s town-hall, also holds resonance from his wife’s primary win in that state that restored her confidence after her loss in Iowa to Mr. Obama.) [snip]

He counseled them to debate the best parts, toss out the ones no one could agree on and forget the bad. But stay, he urged, in the lane to get it done.

At that point, Mr. Clinton began a point-by-point revisit of the 1993-94 health care battles, contending that the insurance companies were now rewriting that history.”

What actually happened was Barack Obama made deals in secret with Big PhaRma and tossed out the good and kept the bad. As Bill Clinton was speaking to the Nutroots the full story of Obama’s secret deals were just coming to light. It was that very week that the full story of the Obama deals were beginning to emerge and they were ugly (read our take on August 11, 2009 HERE).

By the time Obama’s health scam passed in 2010, not August 2009, not even Bill Clinton could perfume the Obama stink called “health insurance reform”. When Bill Clinton made his prediction it was before Chris Christie won in New Jersey, before Bob McDonnell won in Virginia and well before Scott Brown became the senator from Massachusetts. It was after the Scott Brown victory that Obama threw whatever good there was remaining in the health scam, betrayed pro-choice men and women, and made every horrible deal in order to impose the horror of his health scam.

We were not the only ones at the time that wondered “Bill Clinton is no dope and he usually lowers expectations, not heightens them. Now, why would Bill do the contrary in this case?”

And recall the rumors that Bill Clinton was “volcanic” against the Tea Party movement and would become the spearhead of an attack on the Tea Party movement? Turns out that was another false rumor:

“Former President Bill Clinton is advising Democrats to pay attention to the grass-roots tea party movement and to talk openly about fiscal concerns ahead of November’s midterm elections.

“There are a lot of real people in this tea party movement that are saying something everyone should hear — which is, ‘Seems like everyone but average Americans are doing all right here. The people that caused the financial crisis are all back in great shape,’” Clinton said in a joint interview with Yahoo and the Huffington Post released over the weekend.”

Is Bill Clinton traveling around the country to benefit Barack Obama or to prepare for the necessary clean-up that must follow the November elections? Bill Clinton is no dope.

“All things being equal, Clinton said, he would prefer to stay out of the debate.

“I’m not in politics anymore, I really don’t want to do it,” said Clinton, though he does keep a robust schedule of fundraisers and appearances for Democrats, especially those who supported Hillary Clinton for president in 2008. “But because I had a good record on budgets, the size of government and the deficits — the things that the independents are concerned about, the things that the Republicans are attacking the president about — I seem to be in a relatively unique position that people at least listen to my arguments. I literally have no idea if I can turn any votes.”

Despite his claims to be a reluctant warrior, Clinton spoke with exuberance as he described what he would say if he were Obama. [snip]

From there he would turn to what in recent days he has made a regular riff, delivered as though he was Obama making the case for Democrats: “All I’m asking you for is two more years. You get a chance to fire us all in two more years, but don’t throw us out and embrace the policies that got us in trouble. Give us two years…See if what we’re doing is working, and you can throw us out.”

As noted above, we doubt Obama will take that advice. Obama does not do accountability.

“Pressed by a reporter on whether Democrats are being too quick to turn away from the lessons of the 1990s, when Clinton survived Republican efforts to evict him from office by reclaiming the loyalties of independent swing voters, the former president clearly agreed. [snip]

A POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground Poll released last week backs up Clinton’s assessment about voter enthusiasm and independent voters. [snip]

If Democrats do get routed in November, Clinton said, Obama’s own reelection prospects might improve, though this is hardly the path he would prefer to a second term. Based on his own experience amid similar circumstances in 1994, Clinton said his advice to Obama would be “to keep his chin up. You’ve still got to show up for work every day. And he’s got to give people hope. So he can’t get down. Or, if he does, he can’t show it. And he’s got to realize that, in the end, it’s not about him. It’s about the American people, and they’re hurting, and they hire us to fix things.”

“…they hire us to fix things.” Unfortunately Bill Clinton’s analysis and advice will fall on big deaf ears – Obama thinks “it’s about him.” Someone has to be hired after Obama to “fix things”.

Obama thinks “to know me is to love me” so all must be right with the world because I am on every TV show imaginable. But voters are rightly angry and Bill Clinton says “respect that anger”.



Treat the American people with respect, says Bill, “don’t play games”. Now, why would Bill have to say such things if Obama is respectful and not playing games?



Over at the fever pitch Obama Hopium den we call DailyKooks, there is no respect for the “racists” that are not happy with Barack Obama. Indeed, at DailyKooks, the “exhausted” Velma Hart was disrespected and attacked:

“It’s been 20 months and the magician Velma Hart voted for still didn’t fix her dilemma: Buying a new car or keeping her kids in a private school. But at least she got her 15 minutes, going from network to network, explaining her tremendous disappointment by president Obama’s non-whimsical answer.

I’ll give it to CNBC and the rest of the corporate media – This was a good one: Let’s take a middle class and pretty well off black lady, and make her the face of disappointed Obama voters. Not someone who’s really in bad shape, not someone who’s unemployed, not someone who lost their home, and of course she must be black – And she is exhausted because he didn’t snap his finger and reversed a decade of destruction, and then he didn’t give her the entertaining answer she was looking for.

I try not to doubt Miss Hart anxiety – over not being able to buy a new car while living in a two income household and putting two kids through private school – but she’s been shamelessly and cynically manipulated here, and gave the media exactly what they were looking for. Rupert Murdoch probably could not believe his lucky stars: A chance to spread the face of a black woman with the huge headline “BETRAYED” on the cover of the New York Post.”

There’s no respect for the “bitter” from the Obama acolytes. Bill Clinton is giving good advice when he can but he knows Obama and his supporters will not take that necessary advice. So Bill Clinton is not deluded enough to think the approaching “calamity” for Obama Dimocrats will be avoided.

Bill Clinton reads the polls and sees the anecdotal evidence as it piles up:

“Loyalties shift in vote-rich suburbs[snip]

Politically, Reunion was meant also to be part of the perfect congressional district, one drawn up after the 2000 Census to be an absolutely 50-50 suburban swing district. There would be no better place in America to judge the mood of the electorate.

Today, the mood in many of the houses along Reunion’s curving sidewalks is one of disappointment.

I’ve never been more disenchanted,” said Donna Mastrangelo, 48, who moved here from Arizona in 2005. She supported Barack Obama in 2008 but now thinks the president overreached. Sitting on a park bench on a balmy afternoon, she turned to her husband, Louis, and said: “We can be swayed any which way at this point. . . . I don’t want anyone to assume my vote anymore. I want them to work for it.

In 2008, 59 percent of the voters in Colorado’s 7th District were swayed by Obama’s promise of a government that works for the middle class. That year they reelected their Democratic congressman, Ed Perlmutter, for a second term. The swing district had swung – from Republican in its early years, to Democratic.

After four years of Democratic control in Washington, however, many independents here who voted for Obama now voice varying degrees of disapproval for the president and his party. They say they are frustrated by his inability to forge bipartisan compromise. They say Obama and the Democrats pursued an agenda that was too liberal and have not done enough to shore up the economy.

Sentiments like this can be overheard all around Reunion, and in outer-ring suburban neighborhoods across the country.

Bill Clinton is no dope. He sees the “Midwestern Meltdown” Obama Dimocrats face. Bill Clinton is well aware that even in “safe” districts in the Southwest Obama Dimocrats are about to be swept out. Whether because of ethnic warfare or mocking those in the border states and elsewhere who are concerned about illegal immigration the voters are being disrespected and Bill Clinton knows he cannot reverse the consequences no matter how much he campaigns.

Bill Clinton is no dope. With his naked eye he can see to 2012 when the present occupant will be thrown out and that salvation lies in a new presidential nominee:

“A significant majority of voters are considering voting against President Barack Obama in the 2012 election, expressing sour views of his new health care law and deep skepticism about his ability to create jobs and grow the sluggish economy, according to the latest POLITICO / George Washington University Battleground Poll.

Only 38 percent of respondents said Obama deserves to be reelected, even though a majority of voters hold a favorable view of him on a personal level. Forty-four percent said they will vote to oust him, and 13 percent said they will consider voting for someone else.

It’s Obama’s policies that are hurting him right now. By a 13-point margin, voters are down on the health care law. In an especially troubling sign, more than half of self-identified independents — 54 percent — have an unfavorable opinion of the law, compared with just 38 percent who have a favorable opinion.”

Bill Clinton knows someone is going to have to pick up the pieces after the Obama disaster. Americans won’t feel better in 2012 and they will continue to throw the bums out as health care prices continue to escalate instead of the cost curve having been “bent” downwards as promised.

The after Obama clean up crew is either going to be a Republican, or someone who has stayed from away from Barack Obama and is the only credible candidate the Democrats have left to run. Bill Clinton is making it nakedly clear what the problem is and what will have to be done about the problem.

The problem is Barack Obama. And that is a naked fact no Emperor clothes can cover.

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276 thoughts on “Almost Completely Naked: Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Part III

  1. Connecticut poll:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/connecticut/election_2010_connecticut_senate

    Democrat Richard Blumenthal now holds just a five-point lead over Republican Linda McMahon in Connecticut’s race for the U.S. Senate.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state finds Blumenthal with 50% support and McMahon with 45% when leaners are included. One percent (1%) favor some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

  2. The vacationing MoonOnPluto would enjoy this bit of news from New York:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/maggiehaberman/0910/Lazio_out_officially_but_not_backing_Paladino_.html?showall

    Rick Lazio just said he’s stepping aside from the Conservative Party line, adding he doesn’t want to be the reason that Andrew Cuomo wins if the race is close.

    But he also would not back Carl Paladino, who is widely expected to get the Conservative Party nomination once Lazio is nominated for a judgeship to remove him from the line.

    He said he thought after the primary he had the “ability to create a viable campaign,” but has changed his mind.

  3. This is one prolific, well written and thought out blog. I don’t know how long it takes you to come up with what you write, and to link everything in the manner that you do, but it must take a lot of time. It’s appreciated.

  4. I always feel so much smarter after I read these posts.

    😀

    However,I also sometimes wonder if, despite the absolutely brilliant analysis of the subtext behind BC and HRC’s words, people are smart enough to distionguish between the literal and actual meanings of their messages.

    I confess I’m not (until I read analysis here).

    My point is, I consider myself of at least average intelligence and I would bet my first impressions of many of BC’s comments is similar to those who don’t read inspired blog posts by admin.

    I guess then the question is, who is BC’s targeted audience? Is that what you’re getting at, admin?

    nomobama,

    I’m glad you got to view the Islam clip on the other thread. it si sso simple yet so effective. i haven’t had time to watch any of the clips you posted, yet.

  5. Can we chalk up one more to the Clinton Karma effect?

    Jesse Jackson Jr. seems to be in deep doo-doo.

    Seeing him booted would be sweet.

  6. basil,

    If you have about a half hours worth of time, watch the Mark Steyn video. It is very good, and I didn’t even know who he was before I watched it. In other words, I didn’t have the faintest idea what Mark was going to say, or promote within the video.

  7. Basil9, most political communication is formulaic. If a candidate is not going to run they say “I will not run.” If a candidate is going to run they say “I will run”. If they say anything else, the circumstances determine whether they intend to run or not.

    If Bill Clinton thinks someone will win election he says “so and so will win.” If Bill Clinton modifies it by saying “this is a great candidate”, “we should elect this person”, “I think this candidate is a great choice” then the nuance has to be studied.

    When Hillary says “by law I am out of politics” that does not mean “I am out of politics”. When candidates leave office because they are about to lose or there is a scandal brewing they say “I want to spend time with my family.” [BTW, one of the reasons why Sarah Palin’s resignation announcement was considered a jumbled mess was because she could not come right out and say “I’m looking to see if I can run for president.”]

    These are all formulaic statements. Bill Clinton is fun to listen to because he says shocking things and it flies over most people’s heads – except for the group he wants to communicate that particular message to. That is why Bill Clinton is a great communicator. Bill can explain things very clearly when he wants to. Bill can also leave a thousand loopholes in his sentences as well. Republicans and Obama Dimocrats say that is “slick Willy” but that is jealousy that they cannot communicate so effectively.

    Obama’s communication style is to smother his intent with flowery words and “inspirational” verbiage but he cannot deliver multiple messages to multiple audiences simultaneously. That “blank slate” approach eventually only wins you enemies.

    We’ve always said every major Bill Clinton speech is at least four separate speeches to four separate groups. With Bill a speech is like an archeological dig.

  8. President Clinton is very sagely picking the most dynamic and feasible aspects of the Tea Party movement to incorporate into a new and improved Democratic Party for the post Obama wreckage. Fiscal discipline, listening to the electorate instead of talking down or outright spitting on them, economic opportunity and fairness, etc are the beginning of a new platform. This could be the Tea Party of the middle and left and I think of them (and me) as Jacksonians.

  9. Fascinating. Thanks very much for the tutorial. So are you saying BC is aiming his real message to the dim leadership? To the dimn party? But what good is that, especially with Pelosi and Reid still in charge? Or is he aiming these messages to those who survive the November bloodbath? Is he expecting most of those who go down will be Obama supporters? Do you think BC knows who will and won’t survive?

    Nomobama,

    I love Mark Steyn and have heard him speak many times. I bet I have heard most of what’s on that clip but if I have a chance I will definitely check it out.

  10. Masterful analysis. It ties many loose ends together. Big media cannot move past the 2008 election, and for that reason they misread the tea leave and forces which are shaping 2012. Or, they read them for what they are, but believe they can distort reality to the point that people actually believe them. Big media has zero interest in reporting the truth. Their game–their entire game is to CONTROL the public mind, the public debate and ultimately the election process. Once you understand their narrative, you know exactly how they will report or not report things. As far a Obama is concerned, the term I would use for people like him is verbally adept, but being verbally adept is not the same thing as wise, nor does it connote sound judgment. In many ways, it is the lowest of political skills, and in a time of unprecedented problems and challenges it is an unstable compound with a very short half life. Ultimately, it becomes the subject of jokes and disrespect for Obama and for this country.

  11. A fun example of Bill’s tactics is his latest defense of Kerry. The defense of Kerry brought more attention to Kerry’s remarks than they received before. Kerry of course wants to replace Hillary at the State Department (after stabbing her in the back in 2008). What kind of diplomat would Kerry make when he bungles so badly? Clinton’s “defense” is no defense at all. What Clinton is actually saying is “Kerry disrespected the voters”:

    http://bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1284522&position=0

    Former President Bill Clinton tossed a political life preserver to John F. Kerry last night in Boston, defending the Bay State senior senator after his tone deaf voters-don’t-get-it comments but asserting that Democrats need to do a better job selling themselves to a riled up electorate.

    I don’t think that Sen. Kerry meant to disrespect the voters,” the Democratic Party’s 64-year-old rock star told the Herald in an exclusive interview, after a Bay State rescue mission for U.S. Rep. Barney Frank and treasurer candidate Steve Grossman.

    “What I think is that the voters are justifiably angry about the position this country is in. That happens to be partly our fault. We have to take responsibility to get our message out there.”

    On Friday, Kerry knocked voters as clueless for not paying close enough attention to national issues and being too easily swayed by catchy slogans.

    What Bill said is that Kerry did not mean to disrespect the voters but that indeed he did disrespect the voters. Bill’s “life preserver” to Kerry was filled with cement.

  12. During the Viet Nam War Red China called the United States a paper tiger. The United States under Barack Hussein Obama is better described as the paper pussy cat. His word is not trusted, his ultimatums carry no weight, all he really is is a windbag, or to use the polite expression verbally adept.

  13. Admin:, Thanks for another inciteful and interesting post. I was just hearing about the politico poll seconds before I read it on your post.

    I can’t believe he’s down to 38%. I wonder if that the lowest of any 2 yr. Potus??

    Incidently, I couldn’t wait to read this one as the other two were so interesting.

    Bill is just so smart!

  14. And now, for something completely different (maybe they have the birth certificate): 🙂

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/23/aliens-monitoring-nukes-worry-ex-air-force-officers/

    Captain Robert Salas was on duty in Montana in 1967 when a UFO shut down the nuclear missiles on his base. And he’s hardly the only one to make such a claim.

    On Monday, six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about similar events at the National Press Club, all centering around unidentified flying objects and nuclear missiles. They plan to urge the government to publicly confirm the incidents, stating that they were ordered never to discuss the events.

    “We’re talking about unidentified flying objects, as simple as that,” Salas told FoxNews.com. “They’re often known as UFOs, you could call them that,” he added. Salas, a former U.S. Air Force nuclear missile launch officer, will host the event along with researcher Robert Hastings, author of “UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites.

    According to the pair, witness testimony from more than 120 former or retired military personnel points to an ongoing and alarming intervention by unidentified aerial objects at nuclear weapons sites, as recently as 2003. In some cases, several nuclear missiles simultaneously and inexplicably malfunctioned while a disc-shaped object silently hovered nearby.

    “I was on duty when an object came over and hovered directly over the site,” Salas said, regarding the March 16, 1967, event at Malmstrom AFB in Montana. “The missiles shut down, 10 Minuteman missiles. And the same thing happened at another site a week later,” he said.

    Are they evidence of unknown military action from a foreign country, or are these extraterrestrial visitors? Salas thinks the answer is clear — and finds it curious that they’re so interested in our nuclear arsenal.

    “There’s a strong interest [in our missiles] by these objects, wherever they come from. I personally think they’re not from planet Earth.”

    Another participant, retired Col. Charles Halt, observed a disc-shaped object directing beams of light down into the RAF Bentwaters airbase in England and heard on the radio that they landed in the nuclear weapons storage area. Both men claim the Air Force warned them never to disclose details of the events.

    “The U.S. Air Force is lying about the national security implications of unidentified aerial objects at nuclear bases and we can prove it,” Salas said. Col. Halt adds, “I believe that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted — both then and now — to subvert the significance of what occurred at RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation.”

    The group plans to distribute declassified U.S. government documents at the event that they claim will substantiate the reality of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites extending back to 1948. The press conference will also address present-day concerns about the abuse of government secrecy as well as the ongoing threat of nuclear weapons.

    “This is only the tip of the iceberg, these stories,” Salas told FoxNews.com.

    Pictures at link.

    Please take Obama with you when you leave extra-T friends. 🙂

  15. A new corollary to an old axiom: never defend an indefensible position . . . UNLESS your goal is to call attention to that position and make the proponent of that position look foolish for ever advocating it in the first place. This is how Anthony mocked Brutus. Funny that these educated fools in big media fail or refuse to pick up on it.

    Brutus is an honorable man definition

    A statement made several times in a speech by Mark Antony in the play Julius Caesar, by William Shakespeare. The speech is Antony’s funeral oration over Caesar, whom Brutus has helped kill. “Brutus is an honorable man” is ironic, as Antony is attempting to portray Brutus as ungrateful and treacherous. He succeeds in turning the Roman people against Brutus and the other assassins.

  16. These goddamn elitists. They just cannot help themselves. It just comes out of their mouth at the most inopportune times. They feel so superior to the rest of us based on their inherited wealth or in John’s case, the wealth of his wife’s former husband. Take that away and where would they be?

    Oliver Stone is another example of this. His father was a big time Wall Street type, he grew up in that gilded environment, left Yale twice, landed on his feet in Hollywood, and has gone on the make movies and statements that could only come from an elitist with those sorts of delusions. He has an anti semitic cast to him. His latest comment compared the tea parties to the KKK of the 1920s where 100,000 in white sheets (he gestures as he says this) marched on Washington. In his twisted mind there is no difference between those who support segregation, and those who simply exercise their right to petition the government to control out of control spending. They are both middle class. I do not know what you do with people like Stone or Kerry who think so little of their fellow Americans but ignore them.

  17. Has anyone seen the pic of Hillary today on Still4Hillary. Her new long hair has been styled.

    It will make her look younger….I can see 2012′ from my front porch!

  18. JanH, DId you hear the “state dept” has come out with a statement about the settlements??

    It did not have Hillary’s name on it, it says the “the state dept”. Something is fishy here.

    Hillary also doesn’t have appointments today, hmm, hmmm!

  19. admin: LOL! Yep they can take their illegal alien Potus with them next time they come. Heck, we could even strap him to one of the nuc sites so they can’t miss him..

    I’ve got it, Obama is really E.T.

  20. Governing is not about flowery prose. It is about getting things done. It is not about celebrity. It is about working with people so at the end of the process they say “we did it ourselves”. That statement we did it ourselves–as opposed to Obama did it, comes from a Chinese philosopher in the Warring States period, 4th century BC. If you want a contemporart example, take Carl Hayden who went back to the territorial days of old Arizona. I have eaten in his adobe house which has been turned into a restaurant in south scottsdale. It is understated, but it has the appearance and the air of permanence to it. It is cool on a hot summer day, and it will be there 100 years from now. It was alot like Carl himself according to people who knew him. He was a quiet pipe smoker who was always in the center of things, and delivered may projects for his own state and for the western united states during the post World War II period. He was the dyametric opposite of a man like Obama-who is all hat and no cattle.

  21. dont know why they just dont label this as a hate crime they seem so fond of using but instead it needs a new law?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ali-threats-20100927,0,2267434.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+latimes/news/opinion/commentary+(L.A.+Times+-+Commentary)

    It’s time to fight back against death threats by Islamic extremists
    A federal law is needed to cover threats against free-speech rights. Across media and geographies, Islamic extremists are increasingly using intimidation to stifle free expression.

    By Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Daniel Huff
    September 27, 2010

    Earlier this year, after Comedy Central altered an episode of “South Park” that had prompted threats because of the way it depicted Islam’s prophet Muhammad, Seattle cartoonist Molly Norris proposed an “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day.” The idea was, as she put it, to stand up for the 1st Amendment and “water down the pool of targets” for extremists.

    The proposal got Norris targeted for assassination by radical Yemeni American cleric Anwar Awlaki, who has been linked to the attempted Christmas Day bombing of a Northwest Airlines flight and also to several of the 9/11 hijackers. This month, after warnings from the FBI, Norris went into hiding. The Seattle Weekly said that Norris was “moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity.”

    It’s time for free-speech advocates to take a page from the abortion rights movement’s playbook. In the 1990s, abortion providers faced the same sort of intimidation tactics and did not succumb. Instead, they lobbied for a federal law making it a crime to threaten people exercising reproductive rights and permitting victims to sue for damages. The Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, or FACE, passed in 1994 by solid bipartisan margins. A similar act is needed to cover threats against free-speech rights.

    A federal law would do two things. First, it would deter violent tactics, by focusing national attention on the problem and invoking the formidable enforcement apparatus of the federal government. Second, its civil damages provision would empower victims of intimidation to act as private attorneys general to defend their rights.

    Such an act is overdue. Across media and geographies, Islamic extremists are increasingly using intimidation to stifle free expression.

    In 2004, Theo van Gogh was butchered on an Amsterdam street in broad daylight for his film criticizing Islam’s treatment of women. By 2006, it was reported that “dozens of people” across Europe were “in hiding or under police protection because of threats from Muslim extremists.”

    Some targets, including the coauthor of this Op-Ed, fled to the United States, where it seemed safer — and so it is, for now. However, the stark truth is the United States was never immune and the situation is deteriorating.

  22. Gurrrrrrraight post Admin!!

    “Mr. Clinton said he began making appearances only because Mrs. Clinton, in her current position, is forbidden from politicking. “So there was nobody besides me to honor the people that supported her,” he said.”

    ——-

    I think Bill and Hillary’s job will become easier after the heads of congress are propped on poles outside the WhiteHouse on Nov 3rd.

    They can rest from campaigning for awhile, Hillary may quit her SoS job and work with Bill…some R.& R. and hopefully call in her army to see if she will run in 2012.

    I betcha, if Hillary decides to run in 2012, she will only do it if the Democratic big wigs are on their knees begging her to run.

  23. confloyd
    September 27th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Has anyone seen the pic of Hillary today on Still4Hillary.

    I can see 2012′ from my front porch!

    ———-
    You betcha!!

  24. September 27, 2010 11:23 AM

    38 Percent Think Obama Deserves Re-Election, Poll Says

    The majority of Americans disapprove of President Obama’s performance in office and would considering voting to replace him in 2012, according to a new Politico/George Washington University Battleground Poll.

    The poll, which sampled 1,000 registered “likely” voters between September 19-22, indicated that only 38 percent of Americans think Mr. Obama deserves re-election, while 44 percent said they planned to vote for someone else and 13 percent said they were considering that option.

    While the majority of voters approved of Mr. Obama on a personal level, Americans indicated a deep dissatisfaction with his success in economic recovery and job creation. Forty-nine percent of those surveyed said they thought congressional Republicans would do a better job than Mr. Obama at turning the economy around, and 51 percent thought Republicans would be better at creating jobs. Forty-one percent said they thought Mr. Obama would do a better job with the economy, and 40 percent thought he would more effectively create jobs.

    In general, most Americans viewed Mr. Obama’s performance so far unfavorably. Forty-five of the 51 percent of Americans who said they disapproved of the job he has done so far as president said they felt strongly about their disapproval. Forty-six percent of Americans approved of Mr. Obama’s job performance, and 35 percent of those supporters approved strongly.

    While positive opinion of the Tea Party Movement was dominant, with 43 percent of voters viewing the movement favorably and 35 percent viewing it unfavorably, the majority of those polled indicated they would probably vote for Mr. Obama over prominent Tea Party politician Sarah Palin if the two were opponents in the 2012 presidential elections.

    Forty-five percent said they would “definitely” vote for Mr. Obama in such a match-up, while another six percent said they would either “probably” vote for him or were leaning toward it. Thirty-two percent said they would “definitely” vote for Palin, and 10 percent said they “probably” would or leaned that way.

    Additionally, 81 percent of respondents said they relied on cable as a source of political information – and Fox News was a clear favorite among them, with 42 percent of voters relying mainly on the station for election-related news. Thirty percent said they got their information mainly from CNN, and 12 percent from MSNBC.

    Along those lines, 38 percent said they thought Fox’s Glenn Beck had a positive impact on American political debate (compared to the 32 percent who thought he had a negative impact), while 55 percent said they had never heard of MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20017691-503544.html

  25. In case you guys haven’t noticed, Hillary also has lost a little more weight. Not that she was overweight, but she either working out or losing weight..one or the other.

    I can see 2012’from my front porch!

  26. confloyd,

    Israel refused to continue the moratorium on building. The U.S. put huge pressure on them to change their minds and yet they stood firm.

    I’m not sure what to think of the statement.

    Go Israel!

  27. The Seattle Weekly said that Norris was “moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity.”
    ———————————
    It is funny in a way. The editors of the Seattle Weekly and its sister publication The Stranger were huge Obama supporters during the primary and probably still are. I and a couple other Hillary supporters gave an interview to one of their newly minted space cadet reporters after Hillary suspended her campaign. At that point we were hopeful she would challenge Obama at the convention, whereas all their editor was interested in was whether the Hillary supporters would gang up on their manchild and hand Washington to McCain. Their article was sophmoric and excluded 90% of what they said. The generational divide was never deeper. They were also the ones who published to names and addresses of people who had McCain signs in their front yards and encouraged vandalism and harassment. Maybe now they have found someone they hate more than Hillary or Obama supporters. If I see them again which is highly unlikely I must remember to ask whether this little episode has any effect on their presumed support for the ground zero mosque.

  28. admin and shadowfax,

    Mr. Clinton said he began making appearances only because Mrs. Clinton, in her current position, is forbidden from politicking. “So there was nobody besides me to honor the people that supported her,” he said
    ————————————

    I believe that statement about “honoring her supporters”, was part of her speech at the DNC in 2008′. So they know we’ve not been honored! We were told to sit down and shutup. He is going to regret that soon!

  29. JanH, I think they put words in Hillary’s mouth or at least try to…it was released by the State Dept. and not Hillary personally.

    You are right I am glad Netanyaho held his own….those Palestinians could have made peace years ago…they don’t want to make peace…never did…all they want to annilate the Jews.

  30. JanH-by making the settlements the cornerstone of his foreign policy in the middle east , Obama made a critical and irreprable mistake never made by an American President. Yes, as a general policy, America opposed the expansion of the settlemenet,s but never raised the bar as Obama did so as to give the PALS an excuse to bail on so called peace negotiations the minute Israel began any construction, including natural growth , in the settlements.

  31. confloyd
    September 27th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
    admin and shadowfax,

    Mr. Clinton said he began making appearances only because Mrs. Clinton, in her current position, is forbidden from politicking. “So there was nobody besides me to honor the people that supported her,” he said
    ————————————

    I believe that statement about “honoring her supporters”, was part of her speech at the DNC in 2008′. So they know we’ve not been honored! We were told to sit down and shutup. He is going to regret that soon!
    _____________________

    Right on, confloyd. Right-on!

  32. If the rest of the world wants Israel to extend the settlement freeze, then maybe they should be just as vocal in demanding that the Arabs recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

  33. jbstonesfan
    September 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
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    Didn’t he also try to make it a PRE-CONDITION of negotiation. That was Abbas position at one point, but it seems to me that Obama was pushing that position as well. If Israel accepted that pre-condition, then they would be making in effect a unilateral concession up front. Notwithstanding the fact that nothing is final until everything is final, a tenative agreement on that issue, supported by nothing in return, would put Israel on the defensive posture for the rest of those negotiations. If Abbas wants to stop the expansion of settlements then what exactly is he prepared to offer in return? That is the question, or so it seems to me. If he is prepared to recognize Israel, which he probably is not, but if he is then that is an offer worth considering.

  34. JBStonesFan, you’re just “bitter” and don’t understand the genius of Barack in the Golden Age. You see, so great is Obama’s charisma that Obama made his will known and he expected Israel would bow to him as if he were a Roman emperor. Of course Obama knew Israel would recognize his majesty and therefore he made the demand that no mere president ever dared make to Israel because the suspicion was great in foreign policy circles that Israel would say “go jump in a Dead Sea” if ever such a demand was made.

    No doubt Netanyahu’s refusal to bow and scrape, like Obama does to potentates, is an oversight. Netanyahu does not realize his refusal is a great insult to Barack Obama. You thinking that the centerpiece policy is a huge, huge mistake has always been true but you misunderestimate the glory that is Barack. Once Netanyahu takes off his sun glasses he will hear celestial choirs and see the golden glow emanating from Barack The One. Then Netanyahu will do whatever Barack The One wishes even if it destroys Israel. Netanyahu will then apologize for ever, accidentally, causing so much turmoil and trouble to the Great One.

    All other players in the region will likewise do as BTO desires and peace will rule.

    You just don’t understand how brilliant and geniusical BTO is. If you try you can hear the celestial choirs singing, but you have to really really try.

  35. Another excellent backhanded insult to Obama by Bill was one of this comments on Face the Nation last week (in the video below at 0:29 seconds).

    It was in the context of the Tea Partiers, but look at the statement to see the subtle attack (quoting for those who can’t access the video):

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/09/19/bill_clinton_gop_house_would_help_obama_reelection.html

    Clinton: The second thing that bothers me is that it’s hard to know where they stand on the specific issues. Do they want to repeal the financial oversight bill? Do they want to repeal, rather than reform, the Health Care thing?

    Now why would Bill imply that Obama’s signature “accomplishment” needs reform??? ROFL

  36. I think long hair is easier for her to keep up on the road. You can put it back into that french twise easily. She is on the road all the time.

  37. admin
    September 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    JBStonesFan, you’re just “bitter” and don’t understand the genius of Barack in the Golden Age.

    ——-

    Yes we are just a tad bitter that the False One has told us to sit down and shut up, donate and vote for his sorry ass.
    Our golden pitchforks are sharpened, he is going to have a lot of golf time on his hands but no money to pay for membership for the next two years.

    Let the games begin!!!

    Get the packers and movers ready, DC is going to have a lot of business for them soon. It’s our way of helping out the economy.

  38. This would give me pleasure if the Rethugs win……

    Dem Whip: GOP majority will issue birther subpoenas

    House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) warned Republicans will investigate President Obama’s birthplace if they take over Congress.

    Clyburn, the third-ranking Democrat in the House, said Republicans will grind the government to a halt by issuing subpoenas against the Obama administration over a number of issues if they take power. He predicted that “gridlock” in Congress would “define” Obama’s first term if Republicans win the House, but expressed confidence his party would prevail.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/121059-rep-clyburn-gop-majority-will-issue-birther-subpoenas-against-ob

    ———
    What a drama this would be, if they finally get the real birth certificate from God knows where outside the US, he get’s impeached, Biden takes over, appoints Hillary as VP, then Biden wants to leave and hands the Presidency to Hillary.

    Nasty would have a cow.

  39. admin
    September 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    ————————

    um…um…admin? Would you mind sending that wonderful post to obama’s personal email? Pretty please? 🙂

  40. “They always like you better when you’re gone.”

    I’ll like Obama better when he’s gone, that’s for damn sure.

  41. In addition, imagine the contempt Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton would engender among the very voters they will have to some day unite to clean up the Obama mess if they had pulled a Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, Joe Lieberman, Mike Castle type stunt to stay in power.

    I disagree. The difference is that Hillary actually won and had more votes. She WAS more popular ….she was not the loser.

  42. “and of course she must be black … ”

    You see that? They are jealous because it’s not a disappointed professional leftist getting all the press and respect. Daily Kos sees black people as Communist cannon fodder, nothing else.

    “She is exhausted because … he didn’t give her the entertaining answer she was looking for.”

    Like Obama’s entertaining answer on negotiating with Iran without preconditions in the Youtube debate, which thrilled the Nutroots?

  43. BOO! HOO! HOO! Hannity with Monica Crowley and a black Republican lady are carrying on about how poor, poor conservative women are picked on, trashed and horrible things are said about them. They played a clip of Bill Clinton at a fund raiser?? where he said someting about Christine O’Donnell and witchcraft and the woman who was head of the World Wresting Org or some such. Oh, that VILE Bill Clinton and who does he think he is! They were moaning about how this would never happen to liberal or Democratic women.

    No female candidates have EVER been trashed like conservative women! Boo! Hoo! HOO!

    Yes, indeed! Now I’m convinced that they need to get Sean Hannity tested. I think he must have early onset of dementia. Surely no sane person would be such a hyprocrite or so STUPID that he’d think we’d forget what he has said and done for years and years in as many hateful ways as possible to Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, too. So sad…it must be dementia. Hopefully FOX News will get poor Sean some help.

  44. Southern Born
    September 27th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    BOO! HOO! HOO! Hannity with Monica Crowley and a black Republican lady are carrying on about how poor, poor conservative women are picked on, trashed and horrible things are said about them. They played a clip of Bill Clinton at a fund raiser?? where he said someting about Christine O’Donnell and witchcraft and the woman who was head of the World Wresting Org or some such. Oh, that VILE Bill Clinton and who does he think he is! They were moaning about how this would never happen to liberal or Democratic women.

    No female candidates have EVER been trashed like conservative women! Boo! Hoo! HOO!

    Yes, indeed! Now I’m convinced that they need to get Sean Hannity tested. I think he must have early onset of dementia. Surely no sane person would be such a hyprocrite or so STUPID that he’d think we’d forget what he has said and done for years and years in as many hateful ways as possible to Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, too.

    —————-
    YES!!

    I was listening to the same bs on Hannity and got so angry, I would have punched him in the kisser if I could.
    I don’t know how much longer I can watch Hannity……….even on Greta, Rush is talking crap about Hillary only getting a full job in a law firm because of Bill.

    These bs talking Rethugs can’t be trusted to tell the truth any more than the Obamacrats.

    Idiots, liars and bs talkers.

  45. Netanyahu, Clinton hold new talks on settlement freeze

    (AFP) – 3 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton again Monday, after talks a day earlier, to discuss the controversial end of a partial settlement freeze.

    The State Department confirmed the phone call, which it said built the pair’s discussions a day earlier as a 10-month moratorium on new Jewish building in the West Bank ended.

    The expiration of the freeze has thrown recently restarted peace talks into jeopardy, with Israel declining to renew the ban and the Palestinians threatening to walk out of negotiations if building resumes.

    State Department spokesman Philip Crowley declined to detail what Netanyahu and Clinton discussed, but said the talks were “very significant, very detailed, very direct.”

    “The prime minister understands what our policies are, we understand his ongoing political difficulties,” Crowley said.

    “We believe he’s sincerely interested in the process, recognizes its importance.”

    Earlier Monday, Crowley said the United States was “disappointed” by the end of the settlement freeze, which Washington had urged Israel to extend.

    But Crowley said the United States remains “focused on our long term objectives.”

    “One way or the other the parties have to find a way to continue direct negotiations,” he said.

    US Middle East envoy George Mitchell is scheduled to hold talks with both sides this week during a trip to the region.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jnOuqML5RSfA7eXBIGmmT9dbVGaw?docId=CNG.cd0ab416a2c7901c0abb23f392c5057d.f91

  46. Hillary Clinton 2012: Because Women Make Better Leaders During a Crisis

    Diane Ellis

    A few months ago, as you’ll recall, Rob hypothesized that Hillary Clinton will announce her intention to challenge Obama for the Democrat Party’s nomination in 2012 sometime next summer. As supporting data points for his conjecture, Rob pointed to polls that showed Hillary Clinton’s approval rating at 10 to 15 points above President Obama’s.

    Since then, not only has the gap in approval ratings continued to widen — Clinton now polls at 66 percent approval, while Obama has fallen to the low 40 percent range — but the country seems to have fallen deeper into crisis, rendering null the promises of hope and change. Which is great news for Hillary. The Wall Street Journal reports on a new study in the British Journal of Social Psychology:

    Times of crises change what people look for in a leader. And men don’t fit the bill. A new study explores a phenomenon called the “glass cliff,” in which female leadership becomes more desirable during times of uncertainty. Previous research has found that when women attain leadership positions, they are more likely to be asked to take over organizations in crisis.

    Researchers gave test groups information about fictitious companies, some of which were in crises. They found that women were more likely to be selected than men if the company was struggling. The reason seemed to be that stereotypically female characteristics were suddenly valued when everything went to pot: interpersonal qualities such as being “intuitive” or “aware of the feelings of others.”

    Women are perceived as being better leaders during times of crisis. And we certainly have plenty of examples of women making great leaders during crises.

    Consider that data point #3 in support of Rob’s speculation.

    http://ricochet.com/conversations/Hillary-Clinton-2012-Because-Women-Make-Better-Leaders-During-a-Crisis

  47. Another vestige of the Islamization of American. It’s about treating them as a “special class citizen”.

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    Disney, Muslim worker agree on scarf substitute

    Mon Sep 27, 6:18 pm ET
    ANAHEIM, Calif. – Disney is allowing a Muslim employee at its Southern California park to wear a specially designed headscarf after initially objecting to her religious head covering.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations said Monday that 22-year-old Noor Abdallah was told she couldn’t wear the hijab while working as a vacation planner at a Disneyland Resort Esplanade ticket booth. She declined to take another job away from the public.

    Disneyland spokeswoman Suzi Brown says the park worked with Abdallah to design a covering to match her costume and meet her religious needs. She’s been wearing a blue scarf topped with a beret since early this month.

    Brown says the case is separate from that of another Muslim Disney worker who refused to accept a costume headpiece and filed a federal discrimination complaint.

  48. Bill Clinton to visit Derry and Dublin

    FORMER US president Bill Clinton is to visit Ireland tomorrow for engagements in Derry and Dublin.

    He will be accompanied by Declan Kelly, the US economic envoy to Northern Ireland, who is spearheading plans for next month’s US/NI economic conference in Washington, which Hillary Clinton is hosting.

    Mr Clinton is due to deliver a lecture at the Magee College campus of the University of Ulster in Derry tomorrow which former SDLP leader and Nobel Laureate John Hume is also scheduled to attend.

    It is expected that while in Derry he will also meet the First Minister Peter Robinson and the Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness.

    Mr Clinton is expected to refer to the peace process, to the Washington investment conference and to Derry winning the UK City of Culture 2013 award.

    Mr Clinton will travel south to Dublin in the evening where he will address the Clinton Institute of American Studies in UCD.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0928/1224279828669.html

  49. Obviously, Hillary was treated indecently during her run for the presidency, plus many other times in her political life. But, I have to agree with the idea that conservative women are more likely to get that type of treatment from others, usually from those with opposing views, especially liberal females. So when I hear someone lament that conservative females are treated that way, I am very receptive to that, while understanding that there are other females who are not conservative in viewpoint who have also experienced the same type of treatment. So, I will cut the conservatives, especially the conservative females who complain about the unseemly treatment, some slack because in my opinion, they are the ones who are usually on the receiving end of it.

  50. Shadowfax, I heard Rush say that Hillary didn’t get to be a partner until Bill became governor, just as Michelle didn’t get her big raise until Barack was Senator. Could any two women be any different than Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama. Leave it to scum like Rush to try to put them on the same level.

    I’d like to see almost all news on TV have a real housecleaning…FOX (O’Reilly, Hannity and other), all on MSNBC, and CNN along with network news.

    I’m so sick of Bambi and HIS Dimocrats and all they stands for. But I’m equally sick of the partisan Republicans…ALL OF THEM!

  51. Obama may be wishing he could run for Chicago mayor? More money and more power, more up his alley, right? In the current job if he worked hard, he would have more of everything but he is too lazy and incompetent that he does not know how to leverage his position, like Carter didn’t know how to use it to his advantage once he left.

  52. I forgot to add something to my last comment.

    At least the conservatives are sticking up for each other. Why were so many liberals, and others, so quick to bombard Hillary with their vile misogyny? I see a respect gap for females that seems to correlate with political ideology.

  53. The liberal females were most unkind and very non supportive of Hillary in the last campaign. I can remember THE NATION and an article quoting liberal females about Hillary and it was vile and nasty.

  54. Southern Born
    September 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
    Shadowfax, I heard Rush say that Hillary didn’t get to be a partner until Bill became governor, just as Michelle didn’t get her big raise until Barack was Senator.
    ——————————————————————-

    Well, if it was true, why get upset about it, unless you are taking what he said as some type of slight against her (which it probably was)? It happens all of the time. It doesn’t mean that Hillary is not a capable, or knowledgeable person. Many people don’t obtain success until a door is opened for them. It appears that political pals, and spouses, are helpful for advancement.

  55. For the past 18 years, Rush has had a serious history of trashing Hillary in any way he can. I cut him no slack on anything he says about her.

  56. JanH
    September 27th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
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    Hillary’s hair looks good that way, much better than the hairclip style she was shown with recently.

  57. I don’t listen to Rush, but if that is how Hillary’s career began to blossom, you can’t dispute what he said, only what his intentions were for talking about it in the first place. Yes, it was more than likely a dig at Hillary, but did she, or did she not become a partner only after Bill became governor? I hate to point this out, but most people who are neutral would look at her promotion as some type of favor, regardless of if she actually deserved the promotion or not. The same could be said if it was Hillary who had become governor, and all of a sudden Bill became a partner.

  58. I don’t know at what age Hillary became a partner in the law firm. She and Bill were very young when he became gov.

  59. This Nial Ferguson is one of the best thinkers of our generation. He is a Harvard Professor of History and Economics but happily he graduated from a far superior institution–Oxford
    ——————————————

    1. Listen to what he says about the Obama Administration.

    Ferguson: Obama, Fed Pushing Economy into Disaster
    Monday, 19 Jul 2010 09:45 AM Article Font Size
    By: Dan Weil

    The Obama administration and the Federal Reserve are making a mess out of the economy now, says Harvard historian Niall Ferguson.

    A U.S. fiscal disaster is imminent, unless things change soon, he said.

    “Monetary policy is where things are going most badly wrong,” he told Yahoo’s TechTicker.

    The Fed made a mistake in stopping its quantitative easing program, which added liquidity to the financial system by expanding the central bank’s balance sheet.

    “The big issue is the monetary contraction going on in the U.S. since the Fed stopped its quantitative easing,” Ferguson said.

    “Compared with last year, I’m much more concerned about deflation now,” he said. Consumer prices dipped 0.2 percent in May.

    Ferguson’s worried about the budget deficit too.

    “How long can the U.S. go on borrowing on the scale it currently is — deficits on the order of 10 percent of GDP and more than $1 trillion year after year.”

    The Obama administration forecasts a deficit of $1.6 trillion for this year.

    “Somebody in Washington needs to come up with a credible plan to put the U.S. back on road to fiscal stability,” Ferguson said.

    Higher taxes on business aren’t the answer, he says. Rather the focus should be on cutting waste in the public sector, such as pensions.

    In contrast to Ferguson, Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman favors more fiscal stimulus.

    “We really are at a stage where we should have a kitchen-sink strategy. We should be throwing everything we can get at this,” he told Bloomberg.

    © Moneynews. All rights reserved.
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    2. Now listen to what he says about the future

    First, we will be attacked by what he calls “bond vigilantes”–which will be George Soros and his ilk. Ultimately, we will have to decide between inflation, or default on unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare. That is the discussion that the political class wants to have with the American People AFTER November. This was the speech he gave to the Hollywood elites in Aspen which cause Robert Redford to shit his pants–if you recall.

    In an interview with Bloomberg TV’s Erik Shatzker, Niall Ferguson picks up where Reinhart and Rogoff leave off. The historian discusses the bond vigilantes, “Bond vigilantes are a bit like the people short selling investment banks a couple of years ago. You start with Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, you don’t get to Goldman Sachs until quite late in the game. In a way the sovereign debtors of the western world are pretty much in that position today. And we are working down the list, starting with Greece, moving on to Spain and Portugal, the UK dodged the bullet by implementing some preemptive measures. Sooner or later the bond vigilantes will get to the US, I don’t think it will be this year, but in the absence of any political will to address this problem, this is simply an inevitability.” As to why it is inevitable, Ferguson observes the case of the UK which was the only one to manage to grow its way out of massive debt load: “Britain after 1815 had two big advantages, it had the only the industrial revolution at that point that was going on in the word and had the world’s biggest empire. I don’t see anyone in that happy position today.” The outlook: “Is it going to be inflation or is it going to be default. Right now there is no sign of inflation. We have monetary contraction at an alarming rate, and zero inflation in terms of core CPI, so the option of inflating this debt away doesn’t seem to be there right now. What you are left with is therefore default. And I think it is a fair bet that US will default at least on the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare at some point in the foreseeable future. What the Greeks discovered you are fine until you are not fine with the bond market and if you have a non-credible fiscal strategy of borrowing a $1 tillion a year for the rest of time, never ever again running a balanced budget, at some point the markets are going to get spooked, and I think that point is nearer than Paul Krugman believes. Nothing would spook the markets more than for Paul Krugman’s advice to be accepted by the Obama administration. That might well be the trigger.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/niall-ferguson-if-obama-administration-listens-paul-krugman-it-would-lead-imminent-debt-cris

  60. Of course Obama understands all this stuff. He told us he is an economist. Perhaps that is why he has been able to shave strokes off his handicap with his graphite shafted pencil qua eraser. Clueless Obama. Hope change yikes.

  61. The Seattle Weekly said that Norris was “moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity.”

    ===============

    Has any support turned up for this story other than the editor of Seattle Weekly?

    Last I heard, it boiled down to “Editor said Norris said FBI said” The only actual fact was that her column was missing. Remember she pulled a big publicity stunt earlier.

    It’s hard to take this editor’s unsupported statement seriously because
    1. of the paper’s history of flakyness
    2. he doesn’t sound very concerned about this purported danger to Norris. If she were really trying to disappear, telling the world to look for her under a new identity wouldn’t be very helpful.

  62. Yes, he is here tonight. We were selected as the site of his 3rd town hall tomorrow morning. Did not look like there were a whole lot of people at the airport.

    The only politician there was Richardson (Judas). Biden is due in on Thursday, I think. Both of the politicians are interfering with the Balloon Festival which starts on Friday. Why? When they are here they will not let anyone fly to include balloons. The small businessperson (Rainbow Balloons), will lose the income from 50 rides tomorrow at probably $100 each, and the same might be true on Friday with Biden. This only happens once a year, you would think they could have delayed this a little for the small businessperson’s sake.

    The Dem running for Gov, was not to be seen at the airport.

    Yes, Bill is due in shortly (Oct). But we are excited about him. He is headed north to speak to the Hispanic voters.

  63. If the Seattle Weekly story turns out to be true, that’s more evidence of the need for projects like Cordoba House to help the moderate Muslims like Rauf hold the line against teh alleged threat-makers.

  64. Rebecca Traister: Yes, though it came from different angles, obviously. But sure, as far as the obsession over, for example, her large clothing budget without much thought that if you’re a woman on the campaign trial you require a different kind of aesthetic maintenance, that we have different expectation about how women look in the clothes and makeup than we do for men.

    ===================

    Not HER budget. The RNC went and bought a lot of clothes they wanted her to wear. Most of them she never unpacked. Her OWN budget for clothes was very small; she mostly shopped consignment shops.

    Obama said he wore 5 suits he already had. Expensive suits.

  65. I don’t listen to Rush, but if that is how Hillary’s career began to blossom, you can’t dispute what he said,
    *******
    That is not how her career began to blossom….she was on the career fast track before she moved to AR

  66. SHV, Your right, her friend who accompanied her to Ark. kept trying to talk her out of going there because she was already so far ahead of the average 22 year old. As a matter of fact she was one of the people investigating Nixon. She has been in politics since the 6th grade.
    Rush don’t know his butt from a hole in the ground. Spewing hate as usual.

    I finished Palin’s book. I really enjoyed except the part where she says the democrats made Newt’s life horrible and they went after him with bogus lawsuits….if they did…they did it after he went after Bill during his 8 years in office. She went on and on in the book about poor little Newt.

    My guess the rethugs are going to run Newt and Sarah. I think this is what is going to happen.
    Obama is no match for Newt’s ability on the debate podium. Now say for instance if Obama select’s Hillary for VP…she will make mincemeat out of Sarah on the debate podium. It won’t be pretty.

    Hope Sarah takes some classes first before trying to debate Hillary.

    Now a debate with Hillary against Newt…now there would be a match up….real dem against are real rethug…Hillary will still win if the moderator isn’t Rush or Shawn Hannity.

  67. Krugman is a waste of time. His favorite sound is the sound of his own voice promulgating US economics. You can learn more by seeing Stone’s movie, Wall Street: ‘money never sleeps’ than searching for meaning in Krugman’s convoluted prognostications.

    This article is a good read for future interests watching how the players react to a genuine solution for the world’s deficits and curing monetary instability.
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    French President Sarkozy Demands Financial Transaction Tax on Banks

    Webster G. Tarpley
    September 22, 2010

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy has spoken the magic words: “Tax the banks,” and this is the big news from the opening day of this year’s UN General Assembly plenary session in New York. For reasons which have much to do with internal French political struggles, Sarkozy has thus placed the central question of the age on the international agenda: Who will pay the costs of the world economic depression?

    Will it be the bankers, speculators, derivatives mongers, asset strippers, and hedge fund hyenas who have created the current depression through the bubble economy of the last decades? Or, as the Tea Party demand, will the cost of the depression be taken out of the hide of average working people around the globe under the banner of “free-market” swindles once again?

    The financial transaction tax is the key to making the bankers pay for their own crimes. (Here-Here!)

    “We have no right to shelter behind the economic crisis as supposed grounds for doing less,” said Sarkozy, who noted that government budgets are everywhere under tremendous pressure. “Finance has globalized, so why should we not ask finance to participate in stabilizing the world by taking a tax on each financial transaction?” (actually, a very good question!)

    “I want to tell you of my conviction that while all developed countries are in deficit, we must find new sources of financing for the struggle against poverty, for education and for the ending of the planet’s big pandemics.”

    1.) Sarkozy stressed that he intends to campaign for the bank tax when France assumes the presidency is head of the Group of 20 and Group of Eight countries for a year, starting in November. That will keep the Tobin tax in the public eye over the next 14 months, at minimum.

    What Sarkozy has thus proposed under the name of financial transaction tax is none other than the Tobin tax, the Wall Street sales tax, the securities transfer tax, or Robin Hood tax, which I (Tarpley) have long advocated. As Sarkozy specified, the financial transaction tax, like a sales tax, would take a small percentage of financial turnover and use the proceeds for purposes of world economic development. Naturally, the really critical questions are how big this percentage will be, who will collect it, and how it will be used. Now that Sarkozy has broached the issue before the court of world public opinion, all of these questions are very much up for debate. Sarkozy himself probably imagines the financial transaction tax as flowing into the coffers of the International Monetary Fund, where it would not be used primarily to fight world poverty, but rather to help pay off the debts of Third World countries which are beyond insolvency. Such an outcome must be opposed at all costs.

    And such an outcome is far from being automatic. Now that Sarkozy has placed the question on the table, it is imperative to mobilize with all available energy and make this a far broader and deeper issue and the wily French president could ever imagine. Persons of good will must do everything possible to take control of this issue and use it to shift the world balance of political forces against finance capital and in favor of working people.

    The best current estimate of the contending forces on this question would list France, Germany, Brazil, Norway, Austria, and a number of other states as supporters of a Tobin tax, with opposition coming from the usual suspects — the United States, Great Britain, and Canada, joined by China. How embarrassing for the Chinese to be seen in public in such bad company! Unless China is planning to join the English-Speaking Union, they urgently need to revise their position.

    1% Financial Transfer Tax Means $10 Trillion for Development Based on Forex Alone

    Concerning the potential impact of a financial transfer tax on world economic development, we can start by noting the report published by the Wall Street Journal on September 1 that the Bank for International Settlements now estimates the total turnover of foreign exchange and currency markets worldwide at about $4 trillion per day.

    2.) Using the usual estimate of 250 business days in a calendar year, this means that the total turnover of world foreign exchange in currency markets is in the neighborhood of $1,000 trillion or $1 quadrillion per year. A modest but serious financial transaction tax of 1%, a penny on each dollar, could thus initially yield $10 trillion in revenue, assuming that speculation remained at its original level, which is admittedly not the most likely scenario.

    On the other hand, this same Wall Street Journal points other flows of speculative money reach need to be taxed for the general welfare. These include US stock trading, which in April 2010 averaged about $134 billion per day, or $33.5 trillion per year. Turnover on the United States Treasury securities market averaged $456 billion per day in April, which comes out to about $114 trillion per year. To these should be added the total turnover in exchange-traded derivatives like futures, options, and indices, plus the massive issuance of over-the-counter derivatives such as credit default swaps, collateralized debt obligations, structured investment vehicles, and the like. Generally, the budget deficits of world governments at all levels are closely correlated with the fact that, under financial globalization, speculative interests pay virtually no sales tax, and generally manage to escape corporate income tax as well. They are like the French nobility of the ancient régime before 1789, insisting on their unique privilege of immunity from most taxation.

    excellent example below:

    For purposes of illustration, we can use the figure of $10 trillion of increased revenue, which looms large in comparison with the current French foreign aid budget of €10 billion, which is robust enough to make France the world’s second-largest donor in this department. Much attention has been given in recent months to the tragic floods of the Indus River Valley in Pakistan. The Indus obviously requires development along the lines of the highly successful Tennessee Valley Authority built by the New Deal in the United States, with dams for flood control, hydroelectric power, irrigation, and the eradication of malaria. Give the Indus the TVA treatment, and the threat of new floods is largely neutralized. That might cost $1 trillion, but this would represent a permanent increase in the capital stock of Pakistan, and a permanent increase in the productivity of labor. It is well-known that TVA treatment is also required for the Ganges-Brahmaputra River system, as well as for the Nile, the Congo, the Amazon, the Rio de la Plata, the Mekong, the McKenzie River in Canada, and other underdeveloped river systems. For $10 trillion, all of these could be tackled, perhaps with money left over for the Bering Strait Bridge Tunnel, the Straits of Gibraltar Bridge Tunnel, and the Italy-Sicily-Tunisia connection. Carrying out these development projects would create hundreds of millions of new productive jobs at union pay scales in the EU, the US, and Japan, putting an end to the current world economic depression. This approach obviously goes far beyond anything that Sarkozy has in mind, but it happens to represent what is urgently needed for the future of humanity on this planet.

    Nobody needs to be told that Sarkozy always has ulterior motives. He wants to run for reelection in 2012, but he is deeply unpopular and faces a revolt from inside the French administrative bureaucracy, including opposition from the domestic and foreign intelligence agencies. He will be challenged from the center-right by neo-Gaullist Dominique de Villepin, and from the center-left by Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the current boss of the International Monetary Fund. Because of Strauss-Kahn’s current job, he is likely to be tasked by London and Wall Street with opposing the financial transactions tax. If Strauss-Kahn acts as the valet of London and Wall Street on the Tobin tax, that will weaken him as a French candidate.

    Sarkozy took care to couch his appeal in terms of the needs of Africa, where France currently has more client states and economic interests than any other permanent member of the UN Security Council. One million African children per year die of malaria, Sarkozy pointed out, and estimated that 30 African children would die from malaria alone during the eight or nine minutes it took him to complete his speech in the UN General Assembly. Sub-Saharan Africa is in fact the poorest region of the world, meaning that Sarkozy’s political motivation happens to coincide with the exigencies of objective reality.

    The demand for a financial transfer tax will also bring Sarkozy into conflict with Obama, who as a loyal Wall Street puppet is certain to reject the idea that bankers and financiers ought to pay their fair share. Sarkozy has been sniping at Obama in various forms for some time, and may have concluded that being seen in a public dispute with the feckless tenant of the White House is good politics among French voters. (with Mooshell in WH Hell!) 🙄

    It is also interesting to note that the only European measures of any importance against the exorbitant power of bankers and financiers have come in recent years from center-right politicians. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaüble banned naked credit default swaps on Euroland bonds and naked short sales of German stocks back in May; at that time Sarkozy was AWOL. Now Sarkozy has re-launched the Tobin tax. By contrast, socialist politicians like Zapatero of Spain, Papandreou of Greece, Socrates of Portugal, and Sigurðardóttir of Iceland have all functioned as obedient slaves of the international bankers.

    Interest in a Wall Street sales tax has been growing in the United States for some time. The concept is supported in a general way by the AFL-CIO, which has however failed to give the issue any prominence in an educational way, mainly to avoid embarrassing Obama. A Tobin tax has been endorsed by a group of House Democrats around Congressman DeFazio of Oregon. Green party candidates from Laura Wells in California to Howie Hawkins in New York State are also calling for a Wall Street sales tax. Ralph Nader has recently contributed an interesting article in Counterpunch, in which he points out that New York state already has a Tobin tax capable of yielding between $15 and $20 billion per year for that cash-strapped state, but that corrupt politicians have actually refunded the money to the speculators year after year since 1978, something which is obviously blatantly illegal and a huge political scandal.

    3.) Among economists, Robert Kuttner of the American Prospect is also a Tobin tax supporter.

    In the coming lame-duck session of November and December, the two financier parties are likely to attempt an assault on Social Security, starting from the genocidal prescriptions of the Simpson-Bowles austerity commission. They will demand in effect that the Social Security cash flow be fed into the voracious jaws of the Wall Street speculators. The only way to fight this attempt effectively is to be able to offer an alternative source of the substantial revenue needed to neutralize the budget crisis of local, state, and federal government in the United States. More than any other single measure, the Tobin tax or Wall Street sales tax is that alternative source.

    So yes, Sarkozy has an agenda. But it would be total knavery to refuse to engage in the struggle to tax Wall Street by pleading one’s own supposed purity, while muttering darkly about the nefarious UN, globalization, the iniquity of foreigners, and the invincibility of the New World Order. We may not have many more chances of this magnitude, so it is time to get busy.
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    I have to recommend Webster G. Tarpley to Hillary’s Team should she successfully navigate the hidden landmines of a campaign (with all our help of course) and be seated in the Oval office in 2012. Tarpley is in DC. A well published world historian endowed with a unique combination of encyclopedic eco-foreign affairs knowledge and a (multi-lingual) world class economic strategist. Besides Bill and Hillary, he is most definitely the smartest man in the room who also remains unbought by the elites.

  68. Mrs. Smith
    I had just read all that on Webster’s site…he really seems to know what he’s talking about.

    I hope you go to that site I posted about Clyburn….Obama has paid him off and jbjd has the paper to prove it.

  69. confloyd
    September 28th, 2010 at 3:14 am

    Mrs. Smith

    I had just read all that on Webster’s site…he really seems to know what he’s talking about.
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    He’s one of the few who are the ‘real deal’. His credentials in wiki are awesome.
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    I watched a little of the fish fry video… from 07′?

  70. confloyd
    September 28th, 2010 at 3:12 am

    I just found out another movie is being made of Obama’s ineligibilty and it was originated from disgruntled Hillary supporters…WOW!
    _____________________

    Wait- First, I’m going to pour me a Soco manhattan, otherwise I’ll never sleep tonight. Then I’ll read about it. 🙂

  71. Yeah, I hope it gets out soon. I remember it from right after the primary and now its a whole movie…I can’t wait to see it.

  72. Clyburn is dirty and Obama is paying him off. Well I knew that Obama must be paying big bucks to keep himself in the position he is in.
    Soros is selling stock to raise money, SLeeveless is going to Spain to get suitcases filled with cash from King Abdullah…something is definitely up. I pray its a bloodbath Nov. 4th.

    I also hear Boehner and one of the young guns is fighting…I think the Rino’s want to leave Obama in….just my personal opinion though.

  73. Obama Team Still Looking to Fill Crowd for University of Wisconsin Rally
    The president is headed to Madison as part of a series of rallies in swing states leading up to the election. But where he drew a crowd of 17,000 at the University of Wisconsin in 2008 during the presidential race, crowds are expected to be significantly smaller this time around — so much so that the president’s campaign team, Organizing for America, is sending out RSVP requests for Tuesday’s rally, featuring musician Ben Harper… But while the administration recognizes Obama won big on the backs of college students in 2008, it has more than a ways to go to make up for the traditionally lazy voting demographic in a year when he’s not on the ballot and his policies are looking like liabilities to the water-bearers who carried them… Working on shoring up the student vote, the president held a conference call with college students on Monday, in which he promoted lending and tuition assistance programs, talked up programs to help students finish the degree programs they started and touted the health care law’s provision that allows unemployed adult children to stay on their parents’ health care until age 26… Earning the cooperation of more than 200 college campuses, the president’s rally will be simulcast around the country. But where he is not, his legions may not follow. Holding their breath to draw any crowds at similar rallies are administration luminaries, including U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, who will be at North Carolina Central University; Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, who is hosting an event at University of Maryland College Park; and Labor Department Secretary Hilda Solis, who will be at California State-Los Angeles. Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine is appearing at the University of Delaware while Vice President Biden will go to Penn State.
    h t t p://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,601564,00.html?test=latestnews

    What’s missing from this coverage is a statement about Russ Feingold. TV coverage I saw a day or so ago, said Russ would not attend this college event, but would appear later with Sleeveless.

  74. Our Girls agenda:

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Tuesday Appointments
    September 28, 2010
    tags: Hillary Clinton, Diplomacy, State Department, Secretary of State, Daily Appointment Scheduleby stacyx
    .

    SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

    9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton holds a bilateral meeting with Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony, at the Department of State.

    3:00 p.m. Secretaries Clinton, Gates and Geithner, Administrator Shah and MCC CEO Yohannes participate in a roundtable discussion on the Administration’s new Global Development Policy at the annual U.S. Global Leadership Coalition Conference
    To watch live, visit http://www.state.gov.

    4:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and National Secuirty Advisor General Jim Jones, at the White House.

    5:15 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a meeting at the White House.

    DRAFT HILLARY IMPEACH THE LEECH These are our goals to restore our dignity and our place in world leadership.

    BY ABM92 24/7

  75. What caught my eye in the Wall Street speech in the article below was Bambi’s substitution of the word “extremist” for Muslim terrorists. As in people in London etc were MURDERED BY EXTREMISTS–NOT MUSLIM TERRORISTS heaven forbid. There is of course a political correct purpose here–not to offend Muslim who feel they are being discriminated against just because their religion harbors people who favor genocide as a way to defend their faith, people who take very literally what the Prophet said when he was asked what his message was to non-believers was, i.e. prepare to die. Most people, even the dummies who voted for Obama get that part. Whether they agree with it or not is a separate question.

    The more interesting question however is this: of all the words that Bambi could have used to substitute for the words Muslim terrorists, why did he choose the word extremist? Having studied this demagogue for three years now, the answer is obvious to me–and probably not to the ignorant fools who voted for him. In fact, many of those ignorant fools may actually agree with this second purpose. And, not surprisingly, it is Orwellian in cast.

    He wants to use this word for domestic purposes as well. It is after all a tool for political control. Balderdash! Oh really? Well hear me out. We have seen that term before have we not? It was used by big media to initially to describe McVeigh and more broadly to define people who oppose the federal government. More recently, big media and Obama have used that same word–extremist to define the Tea Party movement. They have looked for any scintilla of evidence which would allow them to repeat it. Finding none, they were even willing to invent scenarios which allow them to perpetrate this false moral equivalency, and to discourage anyone from opposing Obama. The danger here is obvious. The word terrorist is defined by violence in general and/or the commission of a violent act, whereas the word extremist casts a much broader net. It covers words and thoughts as well. And the word is elastic in the sense that it can be stretched to cover virtually any situation, and vilify any group of people. That is the real game Bambi is playing here.

    The article I refer to is posted in the next section.

  76. Obama’s Anti American View
    Larry Johnson
    No Quarter

    If you were waiting for proof that Obama favors an anti-America, global view of reality, his speech to the UN General Assembly should settle the matter.

    Let’s start with Obama’s inept handling of the Declaration of Independence preamble before an Hispanic Conference and his perfect (and confident) recitation of the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Remember, at both events, Barack was reading from a teleprompter. Presumably he had approved the speech he would give in each event. Yet he struggled (and failed) to accurately quote the Declaration of Independence but was smooth and flawless with the UN document.

    So why does Barack leave out the key phrase, “ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR” and perfectly quote the UN document? (See Barack: King of the Morons for his Declaration of Independence faux pas.)

    Here’s a quote from his speech on Thursday:

    One of the first actions of this General Assembly was to adopt a Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. That Declaration begins by stating that, “recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice, and peace in the world.”

    Find it strange that he easily handles the UN document but stumbles with our nation’s founding declaration?

    How about elections? Barack stated a new U.S. policy:

    It’s time for every member state to open its elections to international monitors and increase the U.N. Democracy Fund. It’s time to reinvigorate U.N. peacekeeping, so that missions have the resources necessary to succeed, and so atrocities like sexual violence are prevented and justice is enforced — because neither dignity nor democracy can thrive without basic security.

    Got that? He wants Iranians and Venezuelans and Cubans to monitor elections in this country. How do I know? They are member states and international monitors are selected from member states. What the hell is wrong with this guy? I have a suggestion–let’s put monitors in Chicago to ensure the fair citizens of the Windy City get a fair shake. Yep, we can’t trust our own officials. We need folks from outside to come in and show us how to run a proper election.

    Then the most unbelievable comparison–Obama equates Wall Street with Al Qaeda (it is subtle, but the comparison is made):

    Outside the doors of this hall, the blocks and neighborhoods of this great city tell the story of a difficult decade. Nine years ago, the destruction of the World Trade Center signaled a threat that respected no boundary of dignity or decency. Two years ago this month, a financial crisis on Wall Street devastated American families on Main Street. These separate challenges have affected people around the globe. Men and women and children have been murdered by extremists from Casablanca to London; from Jalalabad to Jakarta. The global economy suffered an enormous blow during the financial crisis, crippling markets and deferring the dreams of millions on every continent. Underneath these challenges to our security and prosperity lie deeper fears: that ancient hatreds and religious divides are once again ascendant; that a world which has grown more interconnected has somehow slipped beyond our control.

    Barack does not write this tripe. That’s why he has speechwriters. But damn it, he’s supposed to read and understand what he is saying. Whoops. My bad. He understands exactly what he is saying. That’s what is so troubling.

  77. What caught my eye in the Wall Street speech in the article below was Bambi’s substitution of the word “extremist” for Muslim terrorists. As in people in London etc were MURDERED BY EXTREMISTS–NOT MUSLIM TERRORISTS heaven forbid. There is of course a political correct purpose here–not to offend Muslim who feel they are being discriminated against just because their religion harbors people

    ————-

    Good point about ‘extremists.’ It should be ‘terrorists’. However,specifiying ‘Muslim terrorists’ is unfair. That is like saying ‘Catholic pedophiles’ instead of ‘pedophphiles.’

  78. Obama has the same problem Hitler had in defending fortress Europe. He conquered the continent, but when he had to defend it against a counter attack, he found that even with a general like Rommel he could not do it because he had to defend everywhere at the same time, and there were simply not enough troops to do it. In Obama’s case, he lacks both troops on the ground and money. When hope and change turned to disillusionment and despair, when the words Bush did it no longer resonate politically, this was bound to happen. And according to this article it is happening now.
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    Which Candidate Will You Abandon?
    to firewall Connecticut?
    Moe Lane

    Propelled by Connecticut likely voters who say they are “angry” with government, former wrestling executive Linda McMahon, the Republican U.S. Senate candidate, is closing in on Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, the Democrat, and now trails just 49 – 46 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

    This compares to a 51 – 45 percent Blumenthal lead in a September 14 likely voter survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll, conducted by live interviewers.

    Personally, if I were still a Democrat I would recommend Kentucky and Missouri – actually, if I were still a Democrat I would recommend Nevada, but Reid’s still too powerful in his caucus to make that feasible. Of the other Republican-held Senate seats, New Hampshire’s probably not been dedicated enough money anyway, everybody knows that Ohio’s a lost cause, and the Democrats don’t dare dump Meek in Florida at this point. This is not the year for Democratic gains. Which is fine by me: the Democrats do not deserve gains.

    One last note: isn’t it just hysterical that it’s the Democratic party that needs to make hard financial choices in the homestretch? This is why I stopped looking at the cash-on-hand totals; it became irrelevant once it became clear that the Republicans would have enough money to fight on the battlefields of our choosing and that the Democrats wouldn’t have enough money to defend everywhere simultaneously.

    Linda McMahon for Senate.

    Moe Lane (Crosspost)

  79. wbb 8:49 Also decidedly unAmerican was this which is old news, never well-understood, and now forgotten:
    In a report to the United Nations’ human rights commissioner, the U.S. included its legal challenge to the [Arizona immigration] law on a list of ways the federal government is protecting human rights.

  80. OBAMA NOW BLAMING DEMOCRATIC VOTERS FOR THEIR APATHY:

    This guy has obviously not heard of this invention called “the mirror”.

    yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_interview

    By BEN FELLER, AP White House Correspondent Ben Feller, Ap White House Correspondent – 2 hrs 50 mins ago
    WASHINGTON – Admonishing his own party, President Barack Obama says it would be “inexcusable” and “irresponsible” for unenthusiastic Democratic voters to sit out the midterm elections, warning that the consequences could be a squandered agenda for years.

    “People need to shake off this lethargy. People need to buck up,” Obama told Rolling Stone in an interview to be published Friday. The president told Democrats that making change happen is hard and “if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren’t serious in the first place.”

    The midterm elections are in five weeks and polling shows that Republicans, out of power at the White House and on Capitol Hill, have a much more excited base of supporters than Democrats. Obama, campaigning this week in four states, is in a sprint to restore the voter passion that helped him win office.

    Yet in his attempt to light a fire under supporters, Obama comes across as fired up himself about how many backers fail to acknowledge the progress he sees. He said the glass-half-empty view among many progressive voters can be a debilitating force that distracts them from the real worry: Republicans.

    The GOP is poised to win seats in the House, if not control of the chamber, and gain ground in the Senate, too.

    “It is inexcusable for any Democrat or progressive right now to stand on the sidelines in this midterm election,” Obama said.

    The president has been telling Democrats to “wake up” and recognize that he and the Democratic-run Congress have delivered on promises, from a new health care law to tougher rules for Wall Street to more aid for college students. Obama wants disenchanted supporters to see that Republican wins in November would undermine the ability of Democrats to get the unfinished business done, from climate change legislation to allowing gays to serve openly in the military.

    What emerges in the magazine story is a stern, lecturing tone from Obama.

    It comes mainly at the end of the interview. Obama had wrapped the lengthy Q-and-A session, according to the magazine, but then returned unprompted to make one more impassioned point and unleash on the enthusiasm gap. He portrayed a clear choice between an administration that despite some warts has helped advance its agenda, and a Republican Party that would offer disastrous policies for the economy and civil liberties.

    “The idea that we’ve got a lack of enthusiasm in the Democratic base, that people are sitting on their hands complaining, is just irresponsible,” he said in the interview. He said Democrats should be thinking about what’s at stake this election “if they want to move forward over the next two years or six years or 10 years.”

    The Rolling Stone interview was conducted Sept. 17. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the story, titled “Obama Fights Back.”

    Obama expresses plenty of disappointment over how Republicans made a tactical decision from the start to oppose him, but also offers some “grudging admiration” for its political effectiveness in keeping the GOP united. He said the resulting slog between Republicans and himself — legislative delays and political fighting reminiscent of the Washington he ran against — has worsened public skepticism of government and eroded the feeling of hope that surrounded his election.

    The president said he keeps a checklist of his campaign promises and that he has met, by his account, about 70 percent of them.

    As for the rest: “Well, that’s what the next two years is for, or maybe the next six.”

    Obama would need to win re-election in 2012 for that latter timeframe to occur.

  81. The question I have asked myself half a million times is why did the elites select Obama. In the broadest sense, it was all about what was best for the elites. Hitherto many of us have focused on how his presidency would benefit them economically. It is like that line in the Godfather where Hymie Roth and Michel Corleone are sitting together at a hotel in Havana and Roth whispers we now have a government we can control. Clearly, that was part of the motive, and if you compare the Soros Agenda to the Obama agenda it is hard to deny it. But there is also a subtler reason why the elites supported Obama, which has not been talked about. Since the 1980s it has been obvious that this cycle of economic history would lapse when the baby boomers retired, and a game of musical chairs would ensue. This was foreseeable then, and if it was foreseeable then it was foreseen. You may recall it was even talked about at that Brownstone in Manhattan that evening in 1987. Knowing that there would be a great reckoning based on demographics and the retirement programs would have to be addressed, the natural reaction of the middle class to the potential take aways would be severe and class warfare could easily ensue, either on the political level or even in the streets. So by their calculation, choosing a black president would allow them to re cast the reaction of the middle class to being dispossessed of what government had promised them, as racism against a black man. I think that may be one of the motivations here, and big media is a tool of those same elite interests. This decision was very damaging to society, and it plays on the ignorance of all races, but it is what the elites were willing to do to survive in the manner to which they were accustomed even if everything else goes to hell. Then again, I could be wrong.

  82. Of course, the above quotes come from the president giving yet another interview to an infotainment medium, Rolling Stone. Yet he rarely gives press conferences, and when he does, he does more rope-a-dope the Ali.

    When are you going on The View again, Mr. Resident?

  83. he certainty cant afford another disaster like the last town hall he spoke at.
    his supporters came in all clingy and drunk on the koolaid of bitterness 😉

  84. sirmrks

    Now he’s doing these “backyard talks”. Trying (unsuccessfully) to “feel their pain”.

    Those days of filling up stadiums and feeding his ego seem like a million years ago.

  85. RATS JUMPING THE SHIP

    Last week Lawrence Summers.

    Soon is Rahm Emanuel.

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/rahm-emanuel-leave-white-house/story?id=11740794

    Rahm Emanuel Likely to Leave White House This Week
    ==============
    Final Decision Not Yet Made, White House Chief of Staff All but Certain to Explore Campaign for Mayor of Chicago

    Although no final decision has been made because of family considerations, ABC News has learned that White House officials are preparing for Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel to announce on Friday — as Congress adjourns for recess — that he is leaving his post to explore a run for mayor of Chicago.

    White House officials expect that President Obama will also name an interim chief of staff, perhaps senior adviser Pete Rouse, at the announcement.

    Sources close to Emanuel cautioned that he has yet to pull that last trigger on the decision.

    Emanuel’s likely departure is not a surprise; his mayoral aspirations are well known.

    Longtime Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley’s announcement earlier this month that he would not seek reelection created the opportunity that Emanuel has long been seeking.

    The former Chicagoan has never been coy about his desire to head the proverbial City With Shoulders.

    “One day I would like to run for mayor of the city of Chicago. … That’s always been an aspiration of mine, even when I was in the House of Representatives,” Emanuel said in April to Bloomberg’s Charlie Rose. With Daley’s announced exit, ambitious Chicago Democrats quickly began angling to replace him, creating pressure for Emanuel to make a decision on his White House position soon, even coming from the president himself.

    “I think that Rahm will have to make a decision quickly, because running for mayor of Chicago is a serious enterprise,” President Obama said Monday on NBC’s “Today Show.” “He hasn’t told me yet. But as soon as he does, I’m sure that we’ll announce it.”

    The president has been clear that Emanuel has his blessing when the job opened, aides calling it an “unbelievably attractive opportunity” for anyone that the president would support.

    [snip] (three more pages)

  86. Øbama’s telling Democrats that they need to “buck up” and support Democrats according to an article on Yahoo! news… buck up so he can f*ck up.

  87. The New York Times has a big article on the front page above the fold about Murkoswki–the beadie eyed Republican turncoat who epitomizes all that is wrong with our political system from her avid support of big oil (Ms. B.P. as she is known) to neopotism (her father was senator before her, and ran unsuccessfully for governor). It notes that she is doing the very thing I encouraged Miller to do a couple weeks ago which was to get with the Native Groups, this from a writer named Yardly who has probably never set foot in Alaska before, unless he was one of the seventeen or so investigative which the New York Times sent up to Alaska during the general election to try to dig up dirt on Palin. Now, suddenly, Murkowski has become the darling of the New York Times, who reports that while she is a dark horse candidate, no write in for the Senate has won since Strom Thurmond in 1954 I will take their word for that, she is adjudged by unnamed republican insiders whose names shall go nameless that she has a good chance of winning. This kind of thing is transparent. The New York Times want to drive a silver stake thorough the heart of a great American Sarah Palin and if they can help this whore for special interests who they never wrote a good word about before then they have served their agenda, which is to serve the elites and discount the views of the middle class.

  88. nomobama
    September 27th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    The republican animosity at Hillary goes way back to Nixon’s impeachment hearings. Aside from that when two smart people get together who knows who influenced whom in each others career. Nobody can deny that she was extremely intelligent and had a work ethic and determination to excel from even before she met Bill Clinton. That is the evidence we have to go by. She would have gone places even without Bill Clinton in her life. This is also about women’s development and progress issue. We have to stop acknowledging the stereotype that women are who they are because of the men in their lives. Especially if the man is a politician, the woman’s life does not (need not) stop and they have to take turns to run for high office.

  89. abcnews.go.com/Politics/rahm-emanuel-leave-white-house/story?id=11740794
    The former Chicagoan has never been coy about his desire to head the proverbial City With Shoulders.
    ——————————
    This is a corrupt guy who would bite your nuts off in a shower. Yet they say he has never been coy? Coy? An unbelievably attractive opportunity? To do what? Abandon a sinking ship–like Axelgrease will be doing as well. By now everybody knows the truth about this malignant little son of a bitch. The people in congress hate his guts. Why this worshipful tone. It was written by they White Hose, or someone from ABC who hopes to work there.

  90. The republican animosity at Hillary goes way back to Nixon’s impeachment hearings
    ——————————–
    And maybe even further back than that, like to her valedictorian speech at Wellesley. The impeachment piece is interesting for a number of reasons. From what I can tell, her interpretations of the law, which were disputed by others were not simply hers but were shared by her two supervisors, and by her law school professor at Yale. These people were from the Kennedy Justice Department. I do not give great weight to these objections, they do seem partisan. However, I do recall how the Obama campaign fed them to big media during the primary in support of their allegation that she was polarizing whereas Obama was not, to which I say what a difference eighteen months makes. As far as her partisanship was concerned, Nixon acknowledged Hillary’s value when he said I wish I had had you on my side. That was a classy remark.

  91. RUH-ROH

    Even popular competent incumbent Dems can’t hold leads.

    realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/wv/west_virginia_senate_special_election_raese_vs_manchin-1673.html

    9/28/10 — After sporting a significant lead in the early polling, Gov. Manchin’s lead has dwindled away. He now trails Raese in two polls.

    Manchin’s problem is that voters like the way he’s performing as Governor, but don’t want to give another vote in the Senate for the Obama Administration. Unfortunately for him, there’s a way for voters to do just that — by voting for Raese. This is increasingly reminiscent of Kerry/Weld in Massachusetts — voters liked Weld and didn’t really like Kerry, but decided to keep Weld as Governor and send Kerry back to Washington.

    ———-Race Preview———

    Like Kentucky, West Virginia is technically part of the 13 original colonies by way of its initial attachment to Virginia. Unlike Kentucky though, which was separated from Virginia after the first Congress, it took West Virginia until 1863 to achieve independent status. When the Civil War arrived, West Virginians no longer needed the consent of the mother state to break off, and so 55 counties formed the state of Kanawha — named after the Kanawha River — a month later it was renamed “West Virginia,” and was subsequently admitted to the Union.

    The state initially leaned toward the Republican Party, but during the Great Depression, the arrival of the United Mine Workers caused a re-alignment in the state. Since then, it has elected almost exclusively Democrats to the Senate and Congress, although it has moved toward Republicans at the presidential level.

    Robert Byrd, who entered Congress during the first Eisenhower Administration, died earlier this year. Although West Virginia law seemingly declared that the election to replace Byrd would not be held until November of 2012, the West Virginia Legislature moved that election up to 2010. Democrats nominated Governor Joe Manchin, a popular social conservative who fits the state well. Republicans turned to businessman John Raese, who narrowly lost a race to then-Governor Jay Rockefeller in 1984 before losing to Byrd by over 30 points in 2006. Raese’s strategy will be to spend freely and run hard against the Obama administration, trying to portray Manchin as another vote for the Obama agenda.

  92. As far as her partisanship was concerned, Nixon acknowledged Hillary’s value when he said I wish I had had you on my side. That was a classy remark.
    —————–
    curious, when did he say that?

  93. May I just ask why the White House didn’t vet this group at the beginning?
    ————————

    Jewish group falls from favor at White House

    Revelation about funding sources prompts distancing from J Street

    The White House appears to be distancing itself from the liberal advocacy group J Street that it once embraced as its envoy to the U.S. Jewish community after disclosures that nearly half the group’s funding for 2008 came from a single Hong Kong donor.

    White House spokesman Thomas Vietor declined to comment when asked on Monday if the White House would continue its past practice of inviting J Street’s leaders to take part in conference calls with senior White House officials and to other White House events, and whether senior Obama administration officials would take part in future J Street conferences.

    Retired Marine Corps Gen. James L. Jones, President Obama’s national security adviser, was the keynote speaker at J Street’s inaugural convention in 2009. At the convention, he said: “You can be sure this administration will be represented at all future conferences.”

    Jeremy Ben Ami, J Street’s executive director, once described his organization as Mr. Obama’s “blocking back” in Congress and a progressive alternative to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

    Reaction to J Street’s funding sources intensified in recent days after The Washington Times reported on Friday that the group received $750,000 from Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros and his family. The Times obtained copies of J Street’s federal tax documents that also disclosed how nearly half of J Street’s revenue from July 2008 to June 2009 – a total of $811,697 – came from a single donor in Happy Valley, Hong Kong, named Consolacion Esdicul.

    J Street’s Mr. Ben Ami said that Ms. Esdicul gave the money to J Street in multiple wire transfers at the behest of William Benter, a Pittsburgh-based philanthropist and the CEO of Acusis, a medical-services company.

    In an interview Monday, Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican and House minority whip, said: “The White House needs to disassociate itself from J Street, denounce J Street and cut off all ties.”

    Mr. Cantor, the only Jewish Republican in the House, added that “I am hopeful this revelation will now cause people to begin to ignore what they say. They are not reflecting the mainstream position of the pro-Israel community in America, nor do I think they help benefit the U.S.-Israel relationship.”

    “I don’t know anything about George Soros’ funding or this Connie woman, but I do know J Street is an organization that has effectively lobbied on the Hill for peace in the Middle East, for Israel, the Palestinian people and the United States of America and that is win, win, win,” countered Rep. Steve Cohen, Tennessee Democrat and a J Street supporter.

    One issue dogging J Street in the Jewish community is its support from Mr. Soros, who has given billions of dollars to political causes he supports since the mid-1980s. Mr. Soros, through the Open Society Institute, supported a number of former Soviet satellite states and provinces in the transition from dictatorship to democracy. He has also been a key funding source for liberal causes in the United States, giving large donations to Moveon.org, among others.

    In a 2007 article in the New York Review of Books, Mr. Soros urged the Democratic Party to free itself from the influence of AIPAC and said that Howard Dean did not win his party’s nomination in 2004 because he was not sufficiently pro-Israel.

    Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, said Monday that The Times story was important because it exposed how Mr. Soros was funding J Street despite previous denials from the group.

    Mr. Ben Ami has not said he lied. He did, however, state in a note to supporters on Sunday: “I accept responsibility personally for being less than clear about Mr. Soros’ support once he did become a donor.”

    Mr. Hoenlein said “this is further evidence of the duplicity that they have manifested all along, portraying themselves as something they are not, and engaging in attacks against others when they should have been taking care of their own house.”

    “I certainly think it was wrong that they did not talk about Soros from the beginning,” said Rabbi Steve Gutow, president of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs.

    “I don’t think this is the end of J Street, though. From my experience, they have been very helpful. When the divestment campaign was in full swing at Berkeley, J Street weighed in effectively in opposition to the effort to get the university to divest from Israel,” he said.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/27/jewish-group-falls-from-favor-at-white-house/print/

  94. He just never learns…

    Sep 28, 2010

    Obama calls Fox News’ point of view ‘destructive’ to the country

    President Barack Obama has given an extensive interview to Rolling Stone, in which he touches on a number of topics.

    This quote jumped out at us:

    The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition. It is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It’s a point of view that I disagree with. It’s a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it’s been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it’s that Fox is very successful.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/obama-calls-fox-news-point-of-view-destructive-to-the-country/1

  95. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition. It is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It’s a point of view that I disagree with. It’s a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it’s been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it’s that Fox is very successful.
    ——————————
    Far more dangerous to a vibrant middle class sir, is a press that is nothing more than a lap dog for a corrupt administration, a press that trades access for objectivity, a press that lacks the will and capacity to speak truth to power. That is the problem sir. Not the press that challenges you, like FOX, but the obedient, compliant, oily, unctuous Uriah Heap press corps that say how high when you say jump, like NBC ABC and CNN sir. I omit MSNBC sir because they are not a news organization.

  96. curious, when did he say that?
    ——————————
    It was shortly after he resigned, and they saw each other face to face. I think it was just a brief encounter as opposed to a meeting. I remember it because I used it to push back against the bots. As I have said before, if you want to know how formidable a political leader is, don’t ask their family, don’t ask their friends and for god sake don’t ask the press. Ask their adversaries. In sum, Nixon’s statement proves what a remarkable individual she was even then.

  97. JanH,
    I not looking forward to the pampering that Obama gets from all these magazines, TV stations and Hollywood either.

    If you read some of the things I posted this morning you realize just how many tenacles Obama has in all this businesses. He is really a crook and that’s why everyone is scared of him.

  98. The Soros connection to J Street may have something to do with it. As I recall he and his family have contributed $250 K of their own money. That alone is a tidy sum. But it is more important in another sense. Consider the analogy of the Lloyds of London. In that institution, the participating members pledge their entire wealth as security for a claim. In other words, they cannot limit their liability, as we do in this country. If a risk goes bad, they can lose everything they own. For that reason, they have come to rely on the judgment of certain people, whom they deem to be the experts in the field. That is particularly true with vessel insurance. Thus, when a London broker seeks to insure that kind of risk he goes to the one of these lead underwriters, who take a portion of the risk. Once that happens, others conclude it is a good risk and they sign on. That is what is happening here. In other words, it is not just the 250 K but all the additional contributions which will occur because Soros has signed on. This was a secret as far as the public was concerned but to insiders it was a well known fact, I am sure.

  99. PM speaks with Clinton and Sarkozy

    09.28.10

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke on the phone with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and French President Nicolas Sarkozy. He told the two, “I hope the good talks with (Palestinian President Mahmoud) Abbas will continue. I believe whole-heartedly that it is within our power to reach an agreement within a year and to change the history of the Middle East.”

    The prime minister accepted Sarkozy’s invitation to come to Paris next month to meet with Abbas.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3961639,00.html

  100. Shadowfax, I agree, he’s toast. I just wish we wouldn’t have to put with him for another two years. I am really depending on the rethugs to dig up enough dirt (there’s plenty) to impeach him.

    THe rethugs thought they could dig up stuff on Bill C., so they had to make it up, but this guy is so dirty it is going to be a smorgasborg for them.

  101. Did we ever get to look at the Annenberg papers?? That has all went down the tubes. 148 mil. gone and no one knows where its at. Obama and Ayers at the helm.

  102. admin
    September 27th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    On Friday, Kerry knocked voters as clueless for not paying close enough attention to national issues and being too easily swayed by catchy slogans.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Weren’t there lots of clueless voters in 2008 who (ahem) helped nominate, and then elect, Zerobama, because they were swayed by catchy slogans?

    Weren’t there lots of clued-in voters in 2008 who were wary of the junior 1/3 term senator with the paper-thin resume? You betcha.

    Aren’t there are lot of very well informed voters (informed on healthcare, the economy, US military involvement, govt. intrusion) right now? Either those who have opposed Obama from the git-go, or those who have “grown disillusioned”?

  103. Cohen is not that bright, but he has some of this right:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/09/28/2010-09-28_a_strikeout_on_settlements_why_president_obamas_diplomacy_is_failing.html

    The arena of the administration’s incompetence is the issue of West Bank settlements. This is something of a misnomer since while some of the settlements are recklessly deep into the West Bank – Ariel (above), for instance – others are indistinguishable parts of Jerusalem. They are all, under international law, illegal. But some, regardless of legality, are going to stay. Even in the Middle East, common sense can play a role. The Jerusalem-area settlements are not going to be abandoned by Israel.

    The settlements issue is complicated but not unsolvable. Settlements are how Zionists settled Israel – and the Israel that mattered most to some nationalists and Orthodox Jews is not that Miami manque on the coast, Tel Aviv, but the West Bank areas of Judea and Samaria, the heart of biblical Israel.

    As for the average Palestinian, settlements are a poke in the eye. The construction of each one means yet another piece of his land has gone over to the enemy and cannot be a part of a Palestinian state. It is an in-your-face reminder of impotency, of the inability to control life or fate – and of a baleful history that has seen nothing but defeat.

    Given the highly emotional nature of the settlement issue, it made no sense for the administration – actually, President Obama himself – to promote an absolute moratorium on construction as the prerequisite for peace talks. The government of Benjamin Netanyahu complied, under extreme pressure, but only to a 10-month moratorium. For Netanyahu, this in itself was a major concession. He heads a right-wing coalition that takes settlements very seriously. Netanyahu had a choice: accede to Obama’s terms and have his government collapse, or end the moratorium. On Sunday, with the 10 months being up, he chose the latter. We will see if the end of the moratorium means the end of peace talks. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has not yet ended negotiations. He’s going to confer with his fellow Arab leaders. Obama ought to also confer with someone who knows the region.

    Trouble is, many experts have told him that his emphasis on settlements was the wrong way to go. As late as last week, it was clear that Netanyahu would not ask his cabinet to extend the settlement freeze. Yet not only did the White House reject this warning, the President repeated his call for a freeze. “Our position on this issue is well-known,” he told the UN General Assembly. “We believe that the moratorium should be extended.” Well, it wasn’t.

    From the start, the President has taken a hard line against settlements, refusing to distinguish between an apartment in Jerusalem and a hilltop encampment in the West Bank. He seems not to understand their importance to some Jews. Certain right-wing Israelis have reacted with the same lack of empathy. One settlement leader, Gershon Mesika, called Obama by his middle name, Hussein – a juvenile attempt at insult.

    The Obama approach to the Israeli-Palestinian problem has been counterproductive. Either the Palestinians have to back down from their insistence that all settlements be frozen in place or Netanyahu has to back down from his pledge that any moratorium would be temporary. Either Abbas or Netanyahu has to lose credibility, and neither man can afford to.

    Obama, too, has to husband his credibility. He foolishly demanded something Israel could not yet give.

  104. JanH, Yes I do too and Sarkozy is helping I think, don’t you??

    Obama lost the kids when the price of tuition rose very high…

  105. Interesting about women and check out the only little photo, a woman in a hat with a Hillary button on it….

    White Women Dump the Dems

    [snip]

    I hate to be a (Democratic) party pooper, but here’s the next piece of bad news. Guess who’s not coming out to vote? White women.

    The enthusiasm among all women is down, but Gallup shows that white women are the least enthusiastic of all the major demographic groups.

    Pundits, including most recently Politico, are baffled by the distaff disaffection: “But polls offer few answers to why women haven’t responded to the economic downturn and the rise of the conservative grassroots by bringing the kind of energy to Democratic campaigns that they did in 2008 and that conservative men are exhibiting this year.”

    Exclusive data prepared at The Daily Beast’s request sheds some light.

    [snip]

    Asked to interpret the data, Gallup’s Frank Newport said that “men are more likely to be Republican than women are, and Republicans in general are more enthused than Democrats this year.”

    Remember the PUMAs, whose motto was Party Unity My Ass? They were the supposedly angry white women (the horror) so pissed off by Hillary Clinton’s defeat they were going elect John McCain? The PUMAs were sort of lost in the pixie dust storm of the Obama election. I wonder if we declared them an endangered species too soon? There were glimpses that all might not be well with white women in the exit polls even then.

    Turnout was up in 2008, but white women as a percentage of the electorate shrank a couple of points. The percentage of white men stayed the same, and nonwhites, both men and women, voted in larger percentages in 2008 than 2004. White women vote Republican, just like white men do, but they did give Obama the benefit of the traditional gender gap, supporting him more than the white men did. They didn’t like him nearly as well as they had liked Al Gore, though.

    In her indispensable new book about women and the 2008 election, Big Girls Don’t Cry, Rebecca Traister outed me as having a WWHD (What Would Hillary Do) bracelet, which I take out when the White House agrees to exclude women’s abortions from the new high-risk health-care pools or when Michelle Obama takes her Givenchy outfits to the Costa Brava for a little mid-recession respite from gardening. So I cannot help thinking that there are a lot of other women who responsibly voted for the Democrat hoping for the best but who were not firmly attached to the whole undertaking.

    Gail Sheehy: Obama’s Fire Sale Well, who needs white women anyway? They haven’t broken Democratic in years. A big piece of the “gender gap” for the Democrats is because the category “women voters” is more nonwhite than the men are, and nonwhites vote heavily Democratic. So the gender gap is partly a race/gender gap. The rest of the gender gap is due to white men’s robust fealty to the Republican Party. Although white women do not vote Republican in such large numbers as men do, in 2008 Barack Obama would have won the popular vote, even if the white women had voted exactly the same as their white male counterparts. He held his losses with the pale males to 41 percent, and the huge majorities among nonwhite voters did the rest.

    [snip]

    But the Democrats have never made a concerted effort to solve their minority status by ginning up the female vote.

    Regardless of Traister’s sunny subtitle—”The Election That Changed Everything for American Women”—the Democratic primary of 2007-8 may not have helped matters. If you read no other part of Traister’s book, read the chapter, The Boys on the Bus, about the shit liberal women had to listen to from their friends and boyfriends—the heretical nature of Hillary Clinton’s primary campaign and their implication in allowing their gender agenda to interfere with the world-altering candidacy of the man who was “the bomb.”
    As soon as Traister sent out an inquiry about bad behavior, her email inbox filled to capacity. Even the Obama supporters in her female cohort began “calling me out of earshot of their Obama-loving boyfriends,” to complain bitterly about the sexism of their significant others, to say nothing of the “hours” the women who even veered to neutral “spent… defending Clinton.” I was interested at the number of female reviewers who worried that Traister’s book would cause them to experience post-traumatic stress disorder and flash back to those gender-conflicted months.

    Like Traister’s friend sneaking away from her boyfriend to phone, women really don’t want all those boyfriends and friends and commenters reenacting the opening scene in Saving Private Ryan with herself as the first one off the landing craft. Again. So, like real pumas, the women who waited to see are just tiptoeing away, catlike, from the battle.

    Why are women less enthusiastic than men? It’s not that women don’t give as much thought to the election as men do; Gallup’s figures on this score for men and women are about the same for previous midterm years.

    Indeed, the Democrats still have a last-ditch chance to attract the crucial margin of white female voters. Since women poll as more concerned with childrens’ issues than men do, the recent activation of health care for children would be a good start. And Newport, the Gallup editor, says that all the disaffection with the Democrats among white women doesn’t necessarily mean a boon for the GOP. “We don’t see a change in the generic ballot,” he says. “That is, women aren’t suddenly moving toward Republican candidates. Our latest numbers show women 11 points in the Democrats’ favor and men 11 points in the Republicans’ favor. Republicans haven’t brought women into their camp.”

    But time flies. The white women didn’t boycott the election of 2008 as some hyperventilating commentators predicted. But if the Gallup polls are right, the Democrats may get a chance to see what it’s like to run for office when women are staying home.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-27/democrats-losing-support-of-white-women-gallup-poll-data/2/

  106. pm317
    September 28th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    &&&&&

    pm317’s link to Peter Daou’s piece contains a few juicy quotes:

    “Obama has set himself above the Constitution, as an American Barrack The Terrible, with the power to detain us indefinitely, torture us, and assassinate us at his will. Obama is not like Bush, he is far worse: he is a tyrant and a threat to the American people.”

    Daou: “Hyperbolic, yes. Over the top, yes. One comment on a blog, yes. But, combined with other similar remarks, as sure a sign as any of the rage brewing under the surface — and not just among rightwing haters.

    UPDATE: I want to emphasize a point I’ve made in previous posts that it’s the merging of left-right opinion that is so damaging to Obama. In other words, Obama could sustain relentless attacks from the right, it’s what everyone expects, but when the left joins in, the bottom drops out. That’s why opinion-shapers in the liberal blogosphere exert inordinate influence over Obama’s fortunes. And from the growing alarm at the White House, it’s clear they know it.

  107. Well the rethugs are at it again…go look on Drudge and see the new pic of HIllary…I won’t post that crap here.

  108. From FireDogLake, an unflattering appraisal of Zerobama:

    news.firedoglake.com/2010/09/28/has-the-white-house-lost-their-minds/

    Has the White House Lost Their Minds?
    ==================================

    By: David Dayen
    Tuesday September 28, 2010 8:42 am

    Have you ever seen an athlete stay in the game for too long (no intentional resemblance to any quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings) because they cannot imagine a world without the adulation and cheering? That’s about the only analogy I can make to the persistent carping inside the White House, now a definitive strategy and part of the President’s stump speech, telling the liberal base to “stop whining,” “get over it,” “wake up” and “get in gear.” Blue Texan has an more complete list, and contrasts it with messages that would work on him.

    Before revealing the latest in this genre, I would just add that I’ve never seen a politician run an election with the message “Don’t be stupid, quit your bitching and vote for me.” This goes orders of magnitude beyond “Here are the stakes, my opponent would vote against everything you care about. That at least has a certain time-tested quality. That would make the election a choice and not a referendum. But “vote for me, you simpletons”? There’s a reason that strategy has never been employed: because it’s so insane to think that open berating would inspire a voter to action.

    Here’s President Obama talking to Rolling Stone. Let me set the scene here: the President just completed a long interview with Jann Wenner. He left the room. Then a minute later, concerned that the hippie may be left standing, he comes back in the room to deliver the knockout punch.

    Obama: “One closing remark that I want to make: It is inexcusable for any Democrat or progressive right now to stand on the sidelines in this midterm election. There may be complaints about us not having gotten certain things done, not fast enough, making certain legislative compromises. But right now, we’ve got a choice between a Republican Party that has moved to the right of George Bush and is looking to lock in the same policies that got us into these disasters in the first place, versus an administration that, with some admitted warts, has been the most successful administration in a generation in moving progressive agendas forward.

    The idea that we’ve got a lack of enthusiasm in the Democratic base, that people are sitting on their hands complaining, is just irresponsible.

    Everybody out there has to be thinking about what’s at stake in this election and if they want to move forward over the next two years or six years or 10 years on key issues like climate change, key issues like how we restore a sense of equity and optimism to middle-class families who have seen their incomes decline by five percent over the last decade. If we want the kind of country that respects civil rights and civil liberties, we’d better fight in this election. And right now, we are getting outspent eight to one by these 527s that the Roberts court says can spend with impunity without disclosing where their money’s coming from. In every single one of these congressional districts, you are seeing these independent organizations outspend political parties and the candidates by, as I said, factors of four to one, five to one, eight to one, 10 to one.

    We have to get folks off the sidelines. People need to shake off this lethargy, people need to buck up. Bringing about change is hard — that’s what I said during the campaign. It has been hard, and we’ve got some lumps to show for it. But if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren’t serious in the first place.

    If you’re serious, now’s exactly the time that people have to step up.”
    &&&&&&&& end Obama quote &&&&&&&&

    Where to begin? First: civil liberties? You want to go there? Seriously?

    Second: the President is confusing a couple things. He thinks that people who don’t necessarily get enthusiastic over his brand of politics are “taking their ball and going home.” Well, no, maybe they just don’t think he can accomplish any of the goals they hold dear. Maybe they think he’s actively in the way of those goals.

    Actually, nobody thinks any one thing. I’m not going to make the same mistake of the President in painting the whole base with the same broad brush. I just continue to marvel at the chutzpah of someone saying that inappropriate fealty to him equals something inexcusable or irresponsible. Really, dude? That’s your strategy? There are ways to lay out the stakes of an election in very stark terms – part of which Obama does here – without this tone of “I can’t stand you, now go vote for me.”

    I think you’re seeing two years’ worth of friction spill out right before an election. Either that, or the White House has possession of some polling saying that browbeating works. One or the other.

    UPDATE: An only slightly more measured critique, and defense by the President of his accomplishments, appears earlier in the article, here (scroll down to the third question).

    UPDATE II: I think you should read this piece as the wind-up to his comment about civil liberties:

    Obama: “When people start being concerned about, “You haven’t closed Guantánamo yet,” I say, listen, that’s something I wanted to get done by now, and I haven’t gotten done because of recalcitrance from the other side. Frankly, it’s an easy issue to demagogue. But what I have been able to do is to ban torture. I have been able to make sure that our intelligence agencies and our military operate under a core set of principles and rules that are true to our traditions of due process. People will say, “I don’t know — you’ve got your Justice Department out there that’s still using the state-secrets doctrine to defend against some of these previous actions.” Well, I gave very specific instructions to the Department of Justice. What I’ve said is that we are not going to use a shroud of secrecy to excuse illegal behavior on our part. On the other hand, there are occasions where I’ve got to protect operatives in the field, their sources and their methods, because if those were revealed in open court, they could be subject to very great danger. There are going to be circumstances in which, yes, I can’t have every operation that we’re engaged in to deal with a very real terrorist threat published in Rolling Stone.”

    He seems to be making a distinction between the kind of blocking of inquiry of the Bush Administration’s actions that we saw in Jeppsen, and the ways in which state secrets gets used going forward. “We are not going to use a shroud of secrecy to excuse illegal behavior on our part.” I mean, there’s no way to verify that, right? If you seek to make an entire assassination program secret, who exactly knows what the behavior is being shielded? It comes down to a matter of trust, and civil libertarians really shouldn’t stand for that, because they ought to have a healthy skepticism, not just of the current occupant of the office, but its future residents. We don’t want to give the ability to kill American citizens without due process to a President who says he’s using it for good, because the next President may not adhere to such niceties.

  109. confloyd
    September 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Well the rethugs are at it again…go look on Drudge and see the new pic of HIllary…I won’t post that crap here.

    ———-
    Aholes at Drudge!!! I sent them a message to take that photo down.

    Just a little reminder that with all the good guy spin on Fox, the Rethugs are still the selfish creeps we thought they were before. We can use them as tools to take down Obama and clean up the Dem party, but sorry, I will never fall for their bs any more than I fell for it with BarryBoy.

  110. The Boys on the Bus, about the shit liberal women had to listen to from their friends and boyfriends—
    **********************
    There were a lot of so called Lib women on that bus too. But in the end they are nothing short of insecure traitors. The worst of the worst. The very reason the ERA did not pass, and Hillary was not elected. These back stabbers…
    O’jays…back stabbers please..

  111. That Drudge picture of Hillary is not a photoshop but a regular Reuters pic as seen through a camera viewfinder. Weird.

  112. “Given the highly emotional nature of the settlement issue, it made no sense for the administration – actually, President Obama himself – to promote an absolute moratorium on construction as the prerequisite for peace talks.”

    ————-

    Except for his love of anything Arab as well as his advisors hate for Israel.

  113. Shadowfax, I’m with you…I am going to use the rethugs to take down the Fraud….after that I will be voting for the dems again. I hope they rid the party of the jew haters too. I will not vote for those folks either.

    Apparently according to Soros, Dean lost the nomination in 04′ because of his stance on Aipac.

  114. Shut up and sit down Barack Obama. We won’t vote for your failed polities and we are working hard to get you out of office. You can’t steal and election and have our respect, vote nor support!!!

    Go to Hell Baracko!!!!!

  115. It just makes me sick how they keep picking on Hillary, my God she’s working her ass off trying to starve off the dictators and keeping of out of Nuclear annilation. It just pisses me off!

  116. Everyone is saying if the rethugs don’t two the line when they get in…out they go too. Well if the rethugs sit on their hands and don’t go after Obama, out they go!

  117. Look her what I found…looks like the beginnings of the “journolisters” and who is/was behind the start of them. From firstliberties.
    George Soros and Howard Dean Conspire With Media
    October 24, 2006

    By James L. Hirsen, J.D., Ph.D.
    contributor to Newsmax.com

    ABC’s Web site, The Note, recently confirmed what many Americans have long suspected: The mainstream media coordinate their coverage with leaders from the Left.

    In a revealing report, The Note detailed a series of startling admissions, the first being that “the Old Media” are “giddy with excitement over the prospect of the Bush-Cheney-Rove-Mehlman machine losing” but also “filled with guilt over complicity in an Iraq war it wants ended.”

    With broad grins and breathless patter, the mainstreamers telegraph their glee despite the fact that the Old Media find themselves on life support, as exemplified by NBC’s recent maneuvers to consolidate its cable and broadcast news divisions and slash its staff.

    Still, the Old Media remain mesmerized as they gaze at their own images. The Note described them as “flush with anticipation over two years of anti-Bush leaks from a gavel-wielding Henry Waxman, and substantially more interested in revelations about congressional pages than in trying to tell voters the truth about whether or not the economy is strong and getting stronger.”

    While they artificially stretched the Foley case from days to weeks of coverage, they gave short shrift to the remarkable stories of moderate inflation, robust growth, shrinking deficit, strong productivity, low unemployment, tame inflation, manageable interest rates and record-breaking stock markets.

    Largely ignored as well was Senator Harry Reid’s concealment of a $1.1 million land deal, which yielded the Democrat minority leader some tidy profits.

    More importantly, ABC’s site exposed exactly whom the Jurassic journalists have been seeking approval from, and it is not just their editors. The Note explained that the Old Media “can barely contain itself on its secret morning conference calls with Howard Dean and George Soros.”

    Conference calls? It appears as though a morning check-in with Soros and Dean has been a routine occurrence. On the particular occasion in question, the accord apparently spread even further.

    This means that from now until Election Day the public is likely to see more segments from the Old Media designed to divide conservative Christians (like the numerous book-hawking appearances by David Kuo sharing his tale of woe), additional polls that over-sample Democrats (like the recent NBC-WSJ poll that surveyed Democrats at 43 percent and Republicans at 37 percent) and, of course, more treacherous leaks.

    The Note’s “it was agreed” description of the cunning conference call suggested that a bargain between participating parties had been struck.

    Guess the Faustian Old Media hate the Grand Old Party so much they are willing to sell their journalistic souls to regain power

  118. basil9
    September 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
    confloyd,

    I don’t mind that pic at all. It’s strange but I like it. It makes her look very powerful.
    &&&&&&&&&

    It is a hellacool picture: DO NOT MESS WIT DIS LADY.

  119. Dean kicks the donkey in the coconuts….

    This week, Ari Berman of the Nation released his book “Herding Donkeys” that documents the growth of the modern Democratic Party from the nadir of the 2004 election through the triumph of 2008. The majority of the book looks at the efforts by former DNC Chairman Howard Dean to build a national network that could immunize the party from becoming either marginalized or regionalized. But the epilogue charts out how the style of Obama’s governance drained the type of voter enthusiasm that, Dean acknowledges, was critical in those efforts.

    “The White House began to believe that they could mobilize their supporters without hearing what their supporters really wanted in terms of specific change,” Dean is quoted as saying. “The principal problem with OFA is the same one the president’s having. You can’t dictate to your base what’s going to happen. It’s got to be a two-way deal, and it hasn’t been.”

    Addressing a telling moment in the health care debate, when White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (a frequent Dean critic) called out progressive activists for running ads against conservative Democrats, Berman asked the former DNC Chair for his reaction.
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    “I’m not looking to pick another fight with Rahm Emanuel, but the contempt with which he held the progressive wing of the party was devastating and incredibly demoralizing,” Dean said. “That’s basically saying to your own people — you got us here, now FU.”

    Dean did not immediately return a request for comment about the most recent round of Obama-Biden statements.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/dean-called-rahms-contemp_1_n_741942.html

  120. YAHOO: OBAMA SCOLDING DEM VOTERS

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_interview

    Yeah, but it’s not that they are “apathetic”, as Obama contends. It’s that those who believed he’d work for their causes have two years of proof of why they should vote to undermine Obama, or at least sit at home this November.

    So he’s been fighting the right wing, he blew off the indies and the center, and now the Lefties are bitter.

    Who’s left?

  121. So he’s been fighting the right wing, he blew off the indies and the center, and now the Lefties are bitter.

    Who’s left?

    ——
    Just MO and Joe.

  122. It’s sleeve yanking time again:

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/28/wsjnbc-poll-president-clinton-gets-top-rating/

    One of the most popular politicians in the country right now isn’t even running in this election year. Former President Bill Clinton had by far the highest positive rating when Americans were asked in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll to rate their feelings on political figures.

    Fully 55% of respondents had positive feelings about Clinton, compared with 23% with negative feelings. That’s up from a low in March 2001, just after he left office, of 34% positive and 52% negative.

    Clinton’s Democratic Party hopes that popularity rubs off on its candidates this year. He has been hitting the campaign trail, with stops in Connecticut, Massachusetts and Maine last weekend and events next month in New Mexico and California.

    Another politician making waves this season—while not running herself—is Sarah Palin. Although she has changed the shape of some campaigns with her endorsements, the poll finds one thing that hasn’t changed much is the public’s view of the former Republican vice presidential nominee.

    In the most recent poll, 30% said they had positive feelings about Palin, and 48% negative. That’s little changed from December 2008—the month after she and Sen. John McCain of Arizona lost the presidential vote—when 35% had positive feelings, and 45% negative.

  123. Obama is touting increasing the dependent’s age on HCR to 26 years and this is supposed to make the young people feel good how? Because, oh, they are such losers, right?

  124. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/28/wsjnbc-poll-president-clinton-gets-top-rating/

    One of the most popular politicians in the country right now isn’t even running in this election year. Former President Bill Clinton had by far the highest positive rating when Americans were asked in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll to rate their feelings on political figures.

    Fully 55% of respondents had positive feelings about Clinton, compared with 23% with negative feelings. That’s up from a low in March 2001, just after he left office, of 34% positive and 52% negative.

    ————————-

    Must not have asked about Hillary, because last I heard she was polling in the high 60s. And didn’t Bill leave office at 67% and keep that till recently?

    Or am I thinking of Job Approva, and is that so different?

  125. Bill Clinton on JFK:

    [ The day of JFK’s assassination was ] etched into my generation’s collective
    consciousness, an enduring reminder of dashed
    hopes and our own responsibility to revive them.

    Three decades later, when I moved into the White House, I used the same desk President Kennedy did
    in the Oval Office, made from the timbers of an old,
    well-named ship, the USS Resolute.

    When I created AmeriCorps in 1993, I signed the bill
    with the same pen he had used to establish the
    Peace Corps. It gave me great comfort to have these
    items around, vivid reminders of another young
    president who believed we could build a better,
    more just, more peaceful future for America and for
    the world.

    =====================

    And not a word about Obama. Woo-hoo!

  126. Sorry, must just say the following would be interesting news to the Protestants and Catholics of Ireland:

    [[ The following comment was made by Abdulrahman al-Rashed, the general manager of al-Arabiya Television, wrote a column in Asharq al-Awsat headlined, “The Painful Truth: All The World’s Terrorists Are Muslims!” ]]

  127. SHV,

    Sorry I’ve been offline and can’t find your recent posts. I remember from a while back some discussion (elsewhere?) about the rare earths/magnet issue. One possibly valid point was claimed, that oil is the only source that yields enough quick profit to make it worth digging; wind, solar etc take too long to amortize the set0up costs.

    Of course the obvious qusetion is how would costs compare if the oil industry were forced to pay the costs of pollution (oil spills and respiratory damage) instead of those being pushed off onto others.

  128. turndownobama
    September 28th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
    =======================================

    Ok turndownobama. I’ll bite.

    I’ll raise your Northern Ireland one Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, The Sudan, Chad, Chechnya (Russia), Daghestan (Russia), Iran, Ingushetia (Russia), Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria, Algeria, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Tajikistan, India, Kashmir (Indian and Pakistani), China, and Uzbekistan. There’s more, but those are the one’s that I can think of from the top of my head. Muslim predominant areas all. No need to pick out Ireland since they have been on the road to peace for a few years already. The difference between Ireland and the countries that I mentioned is that the conflict in Ireland is Christian against Christian, while the conflicts in the other areas are either Muslim against non-Muslim, and or Muslim against Muslim. Much of the fighting is directed against non-Muslims. I understand that there are reasons for some of this fighting that pertain to obtaining independence for the Russian provinces, but the other conflicts exist in established countries, not provinces.

  129. pm317
    September 28th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    ======================================

    He’s touting this, but I am wondering if a parent’s insurance costs decrease after grown children are removed from their policies. I haven’t ever had to deal with that situation, so is this going to cost the parents more money in premiums because there are more people on their health insurance policies?

  130. rgb44hrc
    September 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
    •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

    Who’s left? The morons.

  131. “… how would costs compare if the oil industry were forced to pay the costs of pollution (oil spills and respiratory damage)?”

    You can get a particular oil company to foot the bill for a spill, but any taxation for things like respiratory damage or global warming, such as by cap-and-trade, would just be passed along to the end customer. So in the end, it’s up to the customer to decidee that an electric car, for example, is simply cheaper or cleaner.

    You say that “oil is the only source that yields enough quick profit to make it worth digging”, but you don’t have to dig at all for wind or solar energy! I’m convinced that the only reason clean energy is not on the rise in the US is because of habit, or for “cultural” reasons if you wish. People are used to gas-guzzlers, utilities are used to using coal- or gas- or oil-fired power plants. We just don’t want to make the changeover. When you see small, private utilities in Denmark, England and Canada investing in wind farms while the US is the world’s 4th largest wind market, you see what I mean.

  132. Further to what I said about gas-guzzlers, I would point out that GM, Chrysler and especially Ford have sold cars in Europe and Japan, but those cars are not the huge gas-guzzlers that Americans want. They are thrifty compacts with the latest in Euro-Japanese technology. GM, Chrysler and Ford don’t sell those same cars in the US because US “tastes” are different.

  133. pm317
    September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 am
    =======================================

    Believe me, I am not denying what you or anyone else wrote in response to what I wrote about Hillary’s promotion. She very well may have earned it, but the perception of why it happened could lead some people to believe that it was given to her for some kind of gain on her employer’s part. It’s the same way that I look at Michelle obama’s raise. Many would look at that as a gift because her spouse was in the Senate, and it might influence some of his decisions in a positive way for them. It’s perception. It doesn’t mean it was true, but many will believe it so.

  134. JanH
    September 28th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    ======================================

    I have nothing against turndownobama, but I do have something against Islam. I won’t deny that. I believe in freedom of religion, but I will stand against Islam when I believe that the religion as a whole is deceptive in its relationship with non-Muslims.

  135. Hi Hillfriends…am working long hours on a draining job…but i am still here…and want to say that it is great to come home to a post like this…

    …great job and comments…

  136. Sadly Jan H, most of our fellow Jews still give cover to Obama/democrats and will do so again. I am embarrassed by organizations like J Street and representatives like Cohen and my former representative Wexler. For 46 years, I too, was a lemming following the party line, but for the last 2 years I have witnessed the democratic party become the anti-American/Israeli party.

  137. nomobama
    September 28th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
    JanH
    September 28th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    ======================================

    I have nothing against turndownobama, but I do have something against Islam. I won’t deny that. I believe in freedom of religion, but I will stand against Islam when I believe that the religion as a whole is deceptive in its relationship with non-Muslims.

    —————-

    My comment to you wasn’t a bash at turndown. It was a simple acknowledgement that I thought your response was appropriate.

  138. “I’m not looking to pick another fight with Rahm Emanuel, but the contempt with which he held the progressive wing of the party was devastating and incredibly demoralizing,” Dean said. “That’s basically saying to your own people — you got us here, now FU.”
    ———————
    On second thought, maybe Rahm wasn’t all that bad.

  139. “but for the last 2 years I have witnessed the democratic party become the anti-American/Israeli party.”

    ——————–
    And the damage might go so deep that it will be years before Israel ever trusts the U.S. again.

  140. Re non-petroleum energy, most consumers (individual or business) don’t have a real choice. It shouldn’t be between small cars and ‘gas-guzzlers’ but between small clean cars and large clean cars (if you can afford the larger size).

    For most, the problem is at the infrastructure level. Not enough big investment in making clenaer choices available.

    An as SHV said, lack of a good enough grid.

  141. It just makes me sick how they keep picking on Hillary, my God she’s working her ass off trying to starve off the dictators and keeping of out of Nuclear annilation. It just pisses me off!
    ————————–
    I used to worry about it too Connie. But then I remembered something FDR said: I don’t care what they say about me. Just spell the name right. What they fail to realize when they attack her is they are keeping her name on peoples minds. And where politicians are concerned that is never a bad thing. A bad thing for a politician is being ignored.

  142. Damn! Koolaid is still alive and well in Madison, that is. Althouse has posts of Obama hoodwinking the young again. Feingold jumped on the bandwagon at the last minute looks like.

  143. Weasely, Bob Woodward, said in an interview about his latest book that he does not think that Barack Obama takes Hillary Clinton’s advise at all…he listens to Leon Panetta and others but not Hillary.

    Maybe that is a good thing. According to Woodward, in interviews with BO, the policies are BO’s alone. That’s a relief. It’s Obama’s fault then for all the mistakes and bowing to terrorist among other things.

    Woodward said that after interviews and talking with BO, the POTUS said that Woodward knew more than he knew about national security matters, etc. NOW THAT”S SCARY1

  144. Woodward said that after interviews and talking with BO, the POTUS said that Woodward knew more than he knew about national security matters, etc. NOW THAT”S SCARY1

    ————–

    Well, Wordward’s got more exprience.

  145. nomobama
    September 28th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
    pm317
    September 28th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
    ======================================

    He’s touting this, but I am wondering if a parent’s insurance costs decrease after grown children are removed from their policies. I haven’t ever had to deal with that situation, so is this going to cost the parents more money in premiums because there are more people on their health insurance policies?

    It depends on the policy. We had one that offered, single, couple or family at three different prices. Then they eliminated the couple option and only had single and the more expensive family. Our insurance options seem to be more limited each year as the insurers try to force people into more expnsive plans than they need. They also took out lower cost drug options leaving only one expensive choice. Be sure that without a not for profit public option the insurance companies will find a way to make their $$$.

  146. One thing that continues to surprise me is that polls keep saying that people still like obama even thought they don’t like his policies, governance, etc.

    He has always talked down to people and chastised people ….shaking his finger….I find him repulsive and very unlikable. I am truly surprised that so many people think he is a nice guy but just inept. How do they not see the evil?

  147. Exactly, Carol. Makes you wonder WHO they are polling and how they are asking the question.

    Many of the people around here have gone from disagreeing with Obama’s policies to seriously disliking he and his wife personally and not believing anything he says. Most say that they just flip the chanel on TV when he is on. Some of these people voted for him and were big kool aide drinkers last year.

  148. Some in a FL Frank Lunz Focus Group are saying that “it” is Nancy’s fault..Bush’s fault…that BO hasn’t had enough time. They are making a bunch of excuses for him and they are obviously still loving them some BO. One black lady was so riled up she was slapping her hands when another lady nailed BO on his policies.

    Maybe these are the ones being polled about BO’s personal popularity.

  149. Some in a FL Frank Lunz Focus Group are saying that “it” is Nancy’s fault..Bush’s fault…that BO hasn’t had enough time. They are making a bunch of excuses for him and they are obviously still loving them some BO. One black lady was so riled up she was slapping her hands when another lady nailed BO on his policies.

    Maybe these are the ones being polled about BO’s personal popularity.
    —————————————————-
    That is not what the scientific polls say. Lunz straw polls have always produced false positives for Bambi. I cannot recall a time when they did not. Luntz is a puetz.

  150. Makes you wonder WHO they are polling and how they are asking the question.

    ————–

    Also some poll is getting odd results on Hillary and Bill, showing them below what other polls show. Some sort of ‘positive feelings’ vs ‘job approval’?

  151. It is always the wrong question. Who cares if he is likable? My dog is likable. Doesn’t mean he should be president. When it comes to people like Luntz always remember you are getting played. The right question is based on his policies would they vote for him against a generic Republican candidate. The answer to that question for republicans and two out of three independents is no–according to the most reliable polling data we have. The other thing to remember is the media wants to create a horse race.

  152. Weasely, Bob Woodward, said in an interview about his latest book that he does not think that Barack Obama takes Hillary Clinton’s advise at all…he listens to Leon Panetta and others but not Hillary.
    ———————————
    A very good thing. And something to throw back at the republicans when they try to tie her to his failed policies on Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan, etc.

  153. Damn! Koolaid is still alive and well in Madison, that is.
    ——————————————————-
    Not this time.

  154. Keep in mind when you receive casualty reports that they are never accurate, and the other side has even bigger problems. Not the least of which is they must not only campaign, but they must governing. See below. And when it comes to governing they seen as arrogant on one level, ineffective on another. What happens to the young kids when they talk to recent graduates who cannot find a job? What happens when they read liberal bloggers like the ones Peter Daou refers to? Is it really the same as 2008? No way. You will see more phony polls before this thing is over, but the only one that matters is the one that will take place five weeks from now on November 2. The Patrick Murphy story below reminds me of the D.W. Griffith silent movie classic Orphans In The Storm.
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    The Last Ditch
    John Batchelor
    No Quarter

    POTUS is said to be disconsolate and strangely uninspiring in meetings with confidants, allies, strangers, well-wishers, even the usual uninformed and fervent boosters.

    The White House operation is said to be hollowed-out, half-hearted, defensive first and second and third, reflexive at any event; in sum, overwhelmed by the poll plunge, the desertions, the screaming from the doomed members of Congress.

    See the profile of the blame-shifter-in-chief David Axelrod in the TNR for a glimpse at the man they all blame, and who then blames them.

    There are Democratic congressman who look ashen on the floor of the House, such as Patrick Murphy, PA-8, who is stunned and despairing to learn he is 13 points down and cut off from the money.

    The Democratic Senate is “sauve qui peut.” The White House waits for the surrender terms from the GOP. Evacuation barges alongside the Oval Office.

    The last ditch is in Chicago, where Mayor Rahm Emanuel will provide 15-inch Rodmans and legions of Union Label ground troops to hold off the marauders of the right.

    And this is all the good news.

  155. O had his backyard meeting. Looks like the Rep and LTG did put in a quick appearence. Only 30 people in a back yard. He misprononced our LTG last name. He really does fumble without the Tellie.

    However, on the news they indicated he probably would not be of much help politically as he was 41% Strongly disapprove vs 29 Strongly approved.

    Wish I could go to see Bill. However, We know he is going to help. The Reps are spending a lot of money here on negative advertising. The Dems I am supporting here were HRC supporters. Diane Denish took it all the way to the Convention, and even fought for HRC with lawyers at our State Convention.

  156. Poll Results
    Thank you for voting.
    What do you think the Obama administration’s handling of the Middle East?

    The administration is doing solid work in the region, and is pushing the peace process forward. 2%

    The administration has embraced the wrong policy, and is letting valuable time slip by. 96%

    Not sure. 2%
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    A Strike Out On Settlements
    Or, Why Obama Policy is Failing
    Richard Cohen

    Every so often, the sayings of Casey Stengel come to mind. The longtime manager of the New York Yankees, accustomed to a Prussian professionalism, moved over to the astonishingly hapless New York Mets in 1962 and, surveying his new team, uttered an exasperated question: “Can’t anybody here play this game?” What applied to those Mets applies now to the Obama administration. In the Middle East, it’s no hits and plenty of errors.

    The arena of the administration’s incompetence is the issue of West Bank settlements. This is something of a misnomer since while some of the settlements are recklessly deep into the West Bank – Ariel (above), for instance – others are indistinguishable parts of Jerusalem. They are all, under international law, illegal. But some, regardless of legality, are going to stay. Even in the Middle East, common sense can play a role. The Jerusalem-area settlements are not going to be abandoned by Israel.

    The settlements issue is complicated but not unsolvable. Settlements are how Zionists settled Israel – and the Israel that mattered most to some nationalists and Orthodox Jews is not that Miami manque on the coast, Tel Aviv, but the West Bank areas of Judea and Samaria, the heart of biblical Israel.

    As for the average Palestinian, settlements are a poke in the eye. The construction of each one means yet another piece of his land has gone over to the enemy and cannot be a part of a Palestinian state. It is an in-your-face reminder of impotency, of the inability to control life or fate – and of a baleful history that has seen nothing but defeat.

    Given the highly emotional nature of the settlement issue, it made no sense for the administration – actually, President Obama himself – to promote an absolute moratorium on construction as the prerequisite for peace talks. The government of Benjamin Netanyahu complied, under extreme pressure, but only to a 10-month moratorium. For Netanyahu, this in itself was a major concession. He heads a right-wing coalition that takes settlements very seriously. Netanyahu had a choice: accede to Obama’s terms and have his government collapse, or end the moratorium. On Sunday, with the 10 months being up, he chose the latter. We will see if the end of the moratorium means the end of peace talks. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has not yet ended negotiations. He’s going to confer with his fellow Arab leaders. Obama ought to also confer with someone who knows the region.

    Trouble is, many experts have told him that his emphasis on settlements was the wrong way to go. As late as last week, it was clear that Netanyahu would not ask his cabinet to extend the settlement freeze. Yet not only did the White House reject this warning, the President repeated his call for a freeze. “Our position on this issue is well-known,” he told the UN General Assembly. “We believe that the moratorium should be extended.” Well, it wasn’t.

    From the start, the President has taken a hard line against settlements, refusing to distinguish between an apartment in Jerusalem and a hilltop encampment in the West Bank. He seems not to understand their importance to some Jews. Certain right-wing Israelis have reacted with the same lack of empathy. One settlement leader, Gershon Mesika, called Obama by his middle name, Hussein – a juvenile attempt at insult.

    The Obama approach to the Israeli-Palestinian problem has been counterproductive. Either the Palestinians have to back down from their insistence that all settlements be frozen in place or Netanyahu has to back down from his pledge that any moratorium would be temporary. Either Abbas or Netanyahu has to lose credibility, and neither man can afford to.

    Obama, too, has to husband his credibility. He foolishly demanded something Israel could not yet give. It was bad diplomacy, recalling neither Metternich nor Kissinger but the Ol’ Perfessor and his question about the inept Mets. The answer, so far, is no.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/09/28/2010-09-28_a_strikeout_on_settlements_why_president_obamas_diplomacy_is_failing.html#ixzz10tW0eDzX

  157. On the LTGs wall there was a big fight going on about O, and whether he had delivered or not. It shows that the Dems are hugely divided amoung themselves. There was the SOS of he has only been in 2 years, what did we expect him to do, and the counter he has hardly really delivered on anything. The immigration issue seemed hot button also. I think it really shows the Dems are in a quandry.

  158. Oh boy, if you all haven’t read Lamecherry today, you should. He is going after Karl Rove and has some wonderful tidbits of information. Now I know I wasn’t crazy when I said Rove helped Obama in the office he now sits in. He is also trying to make sure Obama keeps it….so what does Obama have on Rove???

  159. I can only hope Maxine Waters does herself a favor, saves herself and points a finger at the corrupt Barney Frank and the wreckage of FannieMae and FreddieMac.
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    Republican ethics panel members demand Rangel, Waters hearings before Nov. 2.

    All five Republican members of the House Ethics Committee demanded Tuesday that Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) face ethics hearings ahead of November’s midterm elections.

    The letter, sent to Ethics Committee Chairwoman Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), said setting a date before the elections was “in the best interest of transparency and fairness to the American people.”

    Reps. Joe Bonner (R-Ala.), Michael Conaway (R-Tex.), Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), Gregg Harper (R-Miss.) and Michael McCaul (R-Tex.) signed the letter charging that Lofgren has avoided setting a trial date for both cases.

    “The Chairwoman has repeatedly refused to set either the Rangel or Waters trial before the November election,” the letter read. “While we regret that the Committee has not worked together in a bipartisan fashion to ensure the transparent and fair resolution of these matters to date, we look forward to working with the Chairwoman in a bipartisan manner to accomplish this,” the letter continued.

    There has been consternation among Ethics Committee members as they have repeatedly failed to come to an agreement as to when the trials should be held, Fox News Channel reported. There has been speculation that a trial schedule would be released but members could not settle on a time line.

    Democrats dismissed the Republican attempt to set a date as a “political move.”

    “This is a load of garbage,” a Democratic aide familiar with the ethics charges told Fox. “There was no consultation with us. We’ve been trying for two days to get them to agree on a hearing. This is strictly a political move without merit. Instead, they go running for the nearest reporter.”

    Both Rangel and Waters declined to accept potential punishment that ethics investigators wanted to mete out back in July. Instead, the duo opted for separate trials in an effort to clear their names.

    Rangel faces 13 charges, which include using House stationery to solicit funds for the Charles B. Rangel Center at City College of New York, failing to disclose $600,000 in personal assets, using a rent-stabilized apartment for campaign activities and failing to pay taxes on income from a vacation property in the Dominican Republic.

    The Ethics Committee accuses Waters of using her position to help a bank secure federal assistance when it was struggling. Her husband holds stock in the bank and once was a member of the bank’s board.

    Both Rangel and Waters deny the charges against them. Read more:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/republican_ethics_panel_members_QpnLECccfXxKJ4JMGrZ5TN#ixzz10uiSBf00

  160. The Dems I am supporting here were HRC supporters. Diane Denish took it all the way to the Convention, and even fought for HRC with lawyers at our State Convention.

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    Right. That sends the right message, and puts a strong Hillary supporter in place for the next convention season.

  161. Damn! Koolaid is still alive and well in Madison, that is.
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    Not this time.

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    Someone local was complaining abotu Obama screwing up traffic there with motorcade, changing his mind and closing more streets, etc. Said they could get a crowd there with anything.

  162. Rangel faces 13 charges, which include using House stationery to solicit funds for the Charles B. Rangel Center at City College of New York, failing to disclose $600,000 in personal assets, using a rent-stabilized apartment for campaign activities and failing to pay taxes on income from a vacation property in the Dominican Republic.

    The Ethics Committee accuses Waters of using her position to help a bank secure federal assistance when it was struggling. Her husband holds stock in the bank and once was a member of the bank’s board.

    ====================

    Oh, big enormous deal, all of them!

  163. Southern Born
    September 28th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
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    Another quick smiley can be created by pressing the Alt key and then the number 1 in sequence. The one thing I seem to have noticed is that you have to choose the number 1 from the number’s keypad, not from the numbers that run along the top of your keyboard.

  164. JanH
    September 28th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
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    Ooooh, I never thought my comment to you would be taken that way. That particular comment was about me, not you. I was commenting on myself only in that my negative comments about Islam did not apply to turndownobama personally. I don’t know if he/she is a Muslim, a Christian, an agnostic, an atheist, a whatever. I wanted to indicate that my anti-Islam are purely anti-Islam, not anti-turndownobama’s right to express her opinions on that subject.

  165. I see Saturday Night Live started their season with a skit on Christine O’Donnell. Is this their Tina Fey-ish attempt to get people to believe that Christine is now an unabashed masturbator? Personally, I thought the skit was really stupid. I am also wondering how long it will take before people start saying the Christine ran a dog fighting operation like Michael Vick. You know, the “reality based” people, that is.

  166. Additionally, the scions of the formerly great, and honest American media are reporting that Sarah Palin was booed on Monday night’s dancing with the stars. They are really scraping the bottom on of the barrel with that false story, Sarah and her daughter Piper’s supposed “expressions” and all.

    Story:

    Dancing With The Stars addressed reports that Sarah Palin was booed on Monday night’s show during yesterday’s live episode.

    The speculation began after boos were heard while co-host Brooke Burke interviewed Jennifer Grey and Derek Hough backstage after their performance. The camera then panned to the audience to reveal co-host Tom Bergeron sitting next to Palin.

    A representative for ABC later insisted that the boos had been because of the score that the judges awarded Grey and Hough, while Bergeron gave the same explanation to Jimmy Kimmel Live.

    On last night’s episode, Burke addressed the reports while speaking to Grey and Hough backstage again. “There was a little bit of controversy in the ballroom last night,” she told them. “When you got your scores from the judges everyone was booing. Now, the press reported that they were booing for Sarah Palin, but I have a clip to show you. It was never intended to air so it is raw and unedited but it will show us what actually happened.”

    The clip showed the judges delivering their scores of eight each as the audience booed their decision. “They are booing an eight!” remarked Bruno Tonioli, while Carrie Ann Inaba said: “[An eight] is good… They are yelling at us!” Bergeron could then be heard introducing Palin in the background as the boos were replaced by applause.

    “It’s flattering, that’s an awesome response if anything, to get booed for getting a lower score than they wanted. We were very happy with it,” said Hough. Grey added: “I’m thrilled with eights!”

    Bergeron then joked that Palin had been “surprised” by the controversy because she had been booing the judges as well.
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    Video from Monday night’s show:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vjnheT1pmE&feature=player_embedded

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    Nasty people make comments about Palin being a “whore”. The real whores are the scumbags who promote lies about Sarah. This non-story about the booing is an example of that. Lying scumbag media.

  167. “but I do have something against Islam”

    Me too, nomobama. If you recall from that great 8 minute video clip, Islam is a political ideology. It cannot tolerate any other ideology to exist. The Koran says that any discrepenceis between earlier and later texts are to be superceded by the latter. Those are invaribly violent, extreme and intent with establishing Islam worldwide at ANY cost.

    And I haven’t even gotten to the part about women’s treatment under Islam. For something MAINSTREAM, check the recent ABC report (much to their chagrin) no doubt) about the stoning of a woman in Pakistan. Must have really sent a reverse tingle down their leg to report that.

  168. Even Jimmy Kimmel, who I usually like, was pushing the same old “crazy Sarah” bullcr@p about her in his monologue, while making fun of Bristol’s choice of music and relating that to the birth of her son. Although violent, I did chuckle at the point in the video where Palin aimed her ire at Len, but the message there, too, is that Sarah is not just any old nutcase, but a nutcase with a gun.

  169. I agree, basil9. It seems to be a political movement in the guise of a religion, and an anti-democratic movement as well.

  170. Carol
    September 29th, 2010 at 12:05 am
    One thing that continues to surprise me is that polls keep saying that people still like obama even thought they don’t like his policies, governance, etc.

    This is some variation of the Bradley or Wilder effect which is when polled voters will say they will vote for a black candidate running against a white candidate but in effect do the opposite. Polling error, racism, etc are said to be problems but political correctness and fear of being accused of bigotry is a main driver. The internal polling must be terrifying because most experienced pols know how to factor in the Bradley effect. Obamas personal popularity is a Bradley effect. His policy polling is the real deal and it is really bad. The race baiting in 2008, Tea Party scapegoating, and the swimming pool mosque is driving the Bradley effect ever higher. I think Obama’s pollsters and hacks like Axelrod are very familiar with this and perhaps see the browbeating of the Democratic voters as the last refuge in countering the slide as Dems are always seen as more politically correct. It worked in 2008 to force Dem voters who were opposed to Obama in the primaries enough to get him elected, but it is a one shot deal like a nuclear option. He is like Barney Fife and he has already used his bullet.

  171. Mormaer
    September 29th, 2010 at 8:42 am
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    When I read that Øbama was castigating Democrats as a means of getting their support for Democratic candidates in November, I thought it a very strange way of doing so. People who are sick of the fraud, Democrats in particular, don’t need to be lectured about why they have the feelings that they do. I imagine that his little comments will create a larger backlash against in come election day as sane Democrats give him a big FU.

  172. nomobama
    September 29th, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Agreed. They actually did this in 2008 to Democrats with the race card, misogyny, elitism, classism, regionalism, etc. And Obama and minions have done it consistently. They are merely ramping it up as the polling is getting worse. It is a classic bullying tactic and that is all Obama is at heart is a mental case bully. They have done it to the Tea Party since day one and it has not worked. It won’t work this year either. He will try to bully a Republican congress and that will be catastrophic. I think he will pull the ultimate bully stunt and quit and run away all the while calling names. He will say you don’t love me enough so I am leaving. You are stupid you don’t know how good you have it, etc. The voters wave goodbye.

  173. One of the most popular politicians in the country right now isn’t even running in this election year. Former President Bill Clinton had by far the highest positive rating when Americans were asked in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll to rate their feelings on political figures.

    Fully 55% of respondents had positive feelings about Clinton, compared with 23% with negative feelings. That’s up from a low in March 2001, just after he left office, of 34% positive and 52% negative.
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    THATS BULL. When Bill left office, the American public still loved him, 60% SUPPORTED HIM, thats what kept the fools from effectively impeaching him.

  174. Woodward says Bambino does not listen to Hillary on matters of foreign policy even though she is Secretary of State. What does that say to you about his capacity for leadership? What does that say to you about the big media myth that he is Lincolnesque, in the sense that he formed a team of rivals, to get the best ideas for governing the country? Once again, it leaves big media up shit creek without a paddle. So how will they lie their way out of this one?

  175. THATS BULL. When Bill left office, the American public still loved him, 60% SUPPORTED HIM, thats what kept the fools from effectively impeaching him.
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    That is my recollection as well, and maybe even in the 70% range of support.

  176. Obama fires up supporters at University of Wisconsin-Madison rally

    By CLAY BARBOUR, MARY SPICUZZA and DEBORAH ZIFF 29, 2010 5:30 am |

    President Barack Obama enters the stage area for a rally at Library Mall, Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2010. Mike DeVries – The Capital Times
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    Live blog: President Obama visits the University of Wisconsin-Madison
    President Barack Obama served as the closing act Tuesday for a rock-n-roll, fire-up-the-troops extravaganza on the UW-Madison campus — a giant rally meant to recapture the excitement of the campaign trail and bridge the so-called “enthusiasm gap” among younger, Democratic voters.
    Obama took the stage at Library Mall to a raucous crowd, following a performance by musician Ben Harper and a series of speeches by the state’s major Democratic candidates. From the outset, the president made it clear why he was in Madison, and on campus, at this moment.
    “The biggest mistake we can make right now is to let disappointment lead to apathy,” Obama said. “I am promising you Wisconsin, change is going to come. You got to stick with me. You can’t lose hope.”
    Recent polls have shown that while Democrats remain as popular — or as unpopular — as Republicans nationwide, the GOP has nearly a 2-to-1 lead in the number of likely voters. That math could equal record losses at the polls Nov. 2 if the tide is not turned in the next five weeks.
    In a statement after the rally, Republican Party of Wisconsin chairman Reince Priebus said the problems of the country are deeper than any speech can solve.
    “While Democrats all across the country might have been watching the speech and deciding whether or not to get fired up, Republicans and independents all across our state have been energized to make a real change for months now,” Priebus said.
    According to UW-Madison Police, more than 26,500 people showed up for the rally, making it Obama’s largest since the campaign. Most packed into the mall on what turned into a crisp fall night, standing shoulder-to-shoulder from Memorial Library to Park Street, while others spilled up Bascom Hill.
    They held signs that read “Moving America Forward,” while every so often someone would yell out, “Obama, we love you.”
    Emily Lawless, a UW-Madison junior from Lakeville, Minn., waited in line five and a half hours for the chance to see the president live.
    “You’re not going to remember your accounting class when you’re 40, but you’ll definitely remember this,” she said.
    Enthusiastic, but will they vote?
    But the thrill of seeing the president doesn’t necessarily translate into supporting Democratic candidates during a midterm election. Even Lawless admitted she would likely not vote. “It’s too much work with the absentee ballot,” she said.
    Most experts agree the Democratic drop-off has come from the liberal, typically younger, wing of the party, which seems disillusioned with the leaders those voters helped put into office.
    Obama, perhaps more than any other national politician in recent memory, benefitted from his connection to younger voters. And while the president has racked up an impressive number of legislative accomplishments, many feel he has stopped short on several of his promises.
    Some feel the party caved to GOP pressure and delivered watered-down versions of both health care and Wall Street reform. And they believe Obama and the party has failed to keep its promises on repealing “Don’t Ask, Dont Tell,” ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and enacting effective immigration reform.
    “The enthusiasm gap is real,” said Rodd Freitag, UW-Eau Claire political science professor. “I think younger voters may be experiencing the frustrations of seeing our political system at work, of not getting everything you want immediately. The euphoria has gone away.”
    Risk to Democrats real
    The national sentiment has reached Wisconsin, where Democrats are fighting to hold onto control of the governor’s office, a U.S. Senate seat, several congressional seats, and both houses of the state Legislature in this fall’s midterm elections.
    Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold, an 18-year veteran with a reputation for independence, is also struggling to overcome the state’s dissatisfaction with Washington.
    Three of the four most recent polls show him trailing Oshkosh businessman Ron Johnson by large margins, the biggest a double-digit lead for the Republican nominee and political newcomer.
    The senator was originally scheduled to be in Washington Tuesday but announced his arrival at the rally via Twitter less than an hour before kickoff.
    Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett lags in polls behind Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, the Republican candidate, in the race for governor.
    Barrett introduced the president Tuesday. He revved the crowd up by addressing the issue that brought Obama to Madison.
    “So (Republicans are) betting you’re not going to vote,” he said. “They’re betting you’re going to stay home. That’s what they’re betting on, that people will forget who drove us to the edge of a depression.”
    Nation in ‘deep hole’
    Wisconsin is clearly important to Obama. He has become a regular visitor to the state this year, with stops in Racine, Menomonee Falls and Milwaukee.
    His appearance at UW-Madison is one of four major rallies planned leading up to the Nov. 2 election, including events in Philadelphia on Oct 10, Ohio on Oct. 17, and Las Vegas on Oct. 22.
    During his fiery 40-minute speech, the president made it clear he understood that some people feel he is moving too slowly, but he preached patience.
    “The hole we are climbing out of is a deep one,” he said. “Now is not the time to give up.”
    Dana Brinkmann, 28, attended the rally. Like many young voters, she hadn’t given much thought to the midterms. But following Obama’s speech, she changed her mind.
    “It’s funny how moved I am,” she said. “I’m absolutely going to vote, and if I didn’t come here, I wouldn’t.”
    Freitag said it’s not too late for the president to turn the Democrats’ momentum around.
    “I think he is uniquely qualified to generate that kind of enthusiasm,” he said. “It won’t turn the midterm into a rousing endorsement of the Democratic Party, but he can turn a few races.”

  177. The great unanswered question is whether enough people in this country can see past their noses far enough to realize that party affiliation aside, racial identification aside, white guilt aside, the ignorance of youth aside, big media lies aside, and the efforts by the elites to manipulate and ultimately control democracy as Cronkite observed DO ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE ENOUGH WISDOM AND FORESIGHT TO RECOGNIZE THAT OBAMA IS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE FUTURE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL AND TO THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES IN PARTICULAR? This not an intellectual question at all. It is a gut check, and at some point, a matter of political and emotional maturity. For some of them it is like the hooker who falls in love with her john even though he exploits her in the worst of ways. As a matter of fact, that is a pretty good description of ratboy Chuck Todd, only it gives the world oldest profession a bad name.

  178. At this point, many children crusaders are there on campus, how many of them vote, how gullible and easily seduced are they, how many understand that if he has broken prior promises he will break new ones as well, how many campuses can the fraud visit and in terms of the total outcome, what difference does this really make? Not much. 2008 is ancient history much as the NYT would like to pretend otherwise. Besides, the information you hear elsewhere in the country all suggests that the youth vote has seen the elephant and is underwhelmed as Sammy Goldwin used to say. What I would say is the evidence presented by NYT is highly selective hype (these are the same people who combed through tea party crowds of 10,000 people looking for one individual they could call a racist). I would also say that this is a desperate attempt by the newspaper that put Obama in the oval office to save his presidency. By now most people see them for what they are or ignore them altogether. They are simply not relevant to the average voter, ergo what they say is a matter of little consequence. Such efforts are in vain, but there will be more of them, increasingly desperate. They are about as effective as pissing in the ocean.

  179. My point is they cannot turn the national debate as they once did. There is too much contrary evidence in the record, and too much pain in the country. Their narrative is simply not believable any more. When they say he needs more time, tell that to the people who are out of work, and tell that to people who in all other parts of their lives are guided by real time. No, this suggestion cuts against the tide of modern culture. Time is not an alibi–not when they go into the voting booth. Generally, when you hear someone say he needs more time, you are listening to someone who cannot admit they made a mistake in trusting him, or someone who believes in the tooth fairy.

  180. Good Morning America announced this morning that the Independents, including tea party are over 1/3 of the voting population.

    Interesting news for both political parties.

  181. Good Morning America announced this morning that the Independents, including tea party are over 1/3 of the voting population
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    yes we are and yes we will vote out the fools in Nov

  182. Snakes
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    Senate Republicans Give Middle Finger To Tea Party Movement

    Eric Erickson
    Red State Blog

    Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)
    Wednesday, September 29th at 11:03AM EDT
    3 Comments
    It is a story that superficially is about Jim DeMint.

    He beat up his Senate Republican colleagues in an email the other day for what they did. Lisa Murkowski left the party to run as a write-in candidate against Joe Miller in Alaska after he beat her in the GOP primary.

    Murkowski’s chief selling point is that she is the ranking Republican on the Energy and Commerce Committee. The Senate GOP could have stripped her of that position, but chose to keep her there.

    This has given Murkowski a new attack against Miller, i.e. even the Senate GOP expects her to come back.

    DeMint took exception to that.

    National Review has done yeoman’s work getting Senators on record about how they voted. What they are finding is that pretty much every Republican Senator supports Murkowski.

    Republican Senators are now attacking Jim DeMint for siding with the tea party movement.

    “I would take issue with that,” said South Dakota Sen. John Thune, No. 4 in the GOP hierarchy. He said DeMint’s statements are “overstating what happened. I think the Republican leadership is very much doing everything they can to help the Republican nominee in Alaska.”
    Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) called DeMint’s pitch a “mistaken idea,” saying there “isn’t one sitting Republican in the Senate that isn’t supporting Joe Miller.”

    Bond, an appropriator who has sparred with DeMint, said the South Carolina senator’s characterization was “totally inaccurate” and noted that Republican senators are raising money for Miller this week during his Washington fundraising rounds.

    Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, the GOP conference chairman, said simply that DeMint’s fundraising e-mail “speaks for itself.” But he expressed concerns about the fact that DeMint publicly aired material from a closed-door meeting.

    “Our strong tradition in the Republican Conference is to have a free and open exchange and to keep that among ourselves,” Alexander said. “I’m always disappointed when some member of our conference decides not to follow that tradition. It makes it hard for us to be a team.”

    These keepers of the status quo do not get it. They have sent a strong signal that what Lisa Murkowski did was perfectly acceptable. They do not care about Joe Miller. They can say they are supporting him, but it’s like supporting a nation at war through hand claps instead of action.

    “I know from experience that trying to work within the system for 12 years has not yielded results —and our country is worse off [than] where it was when I got here,” DeMint said Tuesday. “The party is not going to mind what I do as long as I’m not effective.”

    We need to stand up for Joe Miller and we need to stand up for Jim DeMint. The Senate Republicans have lost their way.

  183. Overnight Open Thread
    —Maetenloch

    Evening all M&Ms.

    Christian Proselytizing Near Muslims Legal in Michigan

    For now. If you’ve got the money and time to defend yourself in court.

    And not if the Mayor of Dearborn has his way:
    “It’s really about a hatred of Muslims,” [Dearborn Mayor Jack] O’Reilly said. “That is what the whole heart of this is. … Their idea is that there is no place for Muslims in America. They fail to understand the Constitution.”
    Umm the Constitution – I don’t think it means what he thinks it means.
    The fact that they got arrested and had to go to trial for quietly handing out religious fliers seems like a pretty obvious violation of 3 of the 4 clauses of the First Amendment. Plus the police also seem to believe you also don’t have the right to video them arresting someone for handing out religious fliers. So the whole episode is disturbingly un-Constitutional in several ways.

    And here’s video of the incident:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA&feature=player_embedded

    So how did Islam, a religion followed by less than 2% of the US population, manage to become a de facto state religion?

  184. wbboei, regardless of whether one likes or agrees with Miller or DeMint on oolicy issues, this whole AK senate thing stinks to high heaven.

    The republican VOTERS in Alaska had their primary, and chose who THEY wanted. For the GOP now to try to undermine that choice behind the scenes by letting Murkowski keep her power is arrogant, elitist, and a spit in the face of representative govt. I don’t care if the R primary voters had chosen a candidate that I personally thought was batsh*t crazy and the looniest of loons – doesn’t matter. It is still THEIR CHOICE, and the party poobahs ought to respect that.

    People on both sides of the aisle are getting angrier and angrier with BOTH parties and the media treating us like know-nothing rubes who ought to STFU and vote how they tell us to. People are at the point where they will vote for their ditzy hairdresser or their none-too-bright grocery checkout clerk before they will give these assholes, R or D, any more power.

  185. HillaryforTexas
    September 29th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
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    It also makes one think they have a “plan” to win back the nomination for her or at least give it to the defacto DEM if she can siphon off enough votes. slimy. as Bill says, politics is not for the faint of heart.

    Time to put the War paint on!

  186. The republican VOTERS in Alaska had their primary, and chose who THEY wanted. For the GOP now to try to undermine that choice behind the scenes by letting Murkowski keep her power is arrogant, elitist, and a spit in the face of representative govt. I don’t care if the R primary voters had chosen a candidate that I personally thought was batsh*t crazy and the looniest of loons – doesn’t matter. It is still THEIR CHOICE, and the party poobahs ought to respect that.
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    I agree. The clash of interests here is between those who favor democracy and those who favor oligarchy. The oligarcharists now control both parties. At some point this battle becomes so fundamental that policy differences which the oligarchs use to divided those who favor democracy seem trivial by comparison. As I have said before, I am not optimistic that the Republican establishment is capable of seizing the opportunity that left wing elites have handed to them, and persuading the public that they are capable of governing in accordance with the constitution. A perfect example of this is Lindsey Graham whom from what I can tell has no values, and no discernible commitment to the American People, which is surprising in once sense given his biography. Then you get the older ones–the geriatric ones like Hatch–he is just another Teddy Kennedy. And the rising ones like Thune, who co sponsored a bill I once wrote (which went absolutely nowhere) even he seems to go along to get along with the establishment. I do agree however with what Tony Blankley said and that is if the parties do not get out in front of this sumanmi they will be swept out to sea with it, because the public has had enough and will blame the status quo for the next chapter.

  187. During the silent movie era, Lon Chaney Sr. was known as The Man of A Million Disguises. In the age of mass media, and mass manipulation worth of Goebbels, Obama is The Man of A Million Excuses, and none of them is so repellent that it does not find strong support in the anals of Big Media. First its Bush, then the Republicans, then FOX news, then the Tea Parties, then democrats who do not relish the idea of having their funds cut off and finally the American People. The only lawful remedy for this it impeachment, and failing that, holding him fully accountable for what he has destroyed and a resounding no to any talk of a second term.
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    Blaming The Voters
    Wall Street Journal

    Democrats seeking to boost voter turnout this fall are beginning to sound like the late comedian Chris Farley’s portrayal of a “motivational speaker” on Saturday Night Live. Farley’s character sought to inspire young people by announcing that they wouldn’t amount to “jack squat” and would someday be “living in a van down by the river.”

    WSJ/NBC Poll – Tea Party Gains Steam
    9:41
    The tea-party movement has emerged as a potent force in American politics and the center of gravity within the GOP, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC poll finds. Jerry Seib discusses. Also, with higher car fuel-efficiency standards coming soon, Joe White discusses why we all might be driving Fiestas.

    Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, who prefers sailing vessels to vans by the river, recently tried out the Farley method. Said Mr. Kerry, “We have an electorate that doesn’t always pay that much attention to what’s going on so people are influenced by a simple slogan rather than the facts or the truth or what’s happening.” Bay State voters are surely thrilled to be represented by a man so respectful of their concerns.

    This week President Obama chimed in with another uplifting message about the American electorate. Mr. Obama told Rolling Stone that the tea party movement is financed and directed by “powerful, special-interest lobbies.” But this doesn’t mean that tea party groups are composed entirely of corporate puppets. Mr. Obama graciously implied that a small subset of the movement is simply motivated by bigotry.

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    Associated Press
    President Barack Obama, accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden

    The President said “there are probably some aspects of the Tea Party that are a little darker, that have to do with anti-immigrant sentiment or are troubled by what I represent as the President.” The tea party is now supported by a third of the country in some polls.

    Perhaps advocates for smaller government shouldn’t take Mr. Obama’s comments personally. In the new Democratic attacks on the voting public, not even Democrats are spared. Vice President Joe Biden recently urged the party’s base to “stop whining” and “buck up,” a message echoed by Mr. Obama in his Rolling Stone interview. The President demanded that his supporters “shake off this lethargy,” warning that it would be “inexcusable” for liberals to stay home on Election Day.

    Mr. Obama added that “if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren’t serious in the first place.” Making the case for left-wing voters to show up in November, Mr. Obama told Rolling Stone that he is presiding over “the most successful administration in a generation in moving progressive agendas forward.”

    We’d agree, but his problem is that most Americans don’t like that agenda and millions of voters in both parties wanted him to oversee an economic expansion instead. Blaming the voters is not unheard of among politicians, but usually they wait until after an election.

  188. Let’s see, as I remember I don’t think Obama had a 100% voting record. We discussed this during the Primary I think.

  189. Well if obama doesn’t listen to Hillary they I say good on him.

    LOL…all of the mistakes are owned by him. His botched Middle East peace process/foreign affair stupidity can all be blamed on the idiot.

  190. Clinton to visit PNG

    The US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected to visit Papua New Guinea later this year.

    The US Embassy in Port Moresby has confirmed Secretary Clinton is expected to visit PNG in November.

    However, the embassy has not disclosed her itinerary but says her visit will follow an official state visit to Australia.

    It will be the second visit of a senior US administration official following the last visit by a secretary of State in 1988, when Madeline Albright stopped over for just a few hours in Port Moresby.

    http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201009/3025526.htm?desktop

  191. I stand up for DeMint and Miller and O’Donnell and Rubio! And anyone who has an R by their name who does not, will get the working end of a baseball bat in my voting booth.
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    I come here today with a heavy heart. Does anyone here agree with what is about to happen on Oct 2nd in DC, or support the organizations that are participtaing in this rally? I know I do not. Please help me to understand what ‘progressives’ stand for if it is not for this.

    I watched Glenn Beck’s last show and as hard as I have worked to stop the fundamental transformation of our once great nation into something that does not resemble a republic, I can not believe what is about to happen this weekend. I checked it out for myself and what Beck says is true. Absolutely. True. The 10/20/2010 gathering is being put on by a coalition that includes groups hell bent on taking down our country and replacing capitalism with socialism/social justice/marxism/communism. Beck put on a black board the groups that are particiipating. Along with the usual suspects of big unions and like minded groups are Marxist and Communist organizations. Beck said he would post the info on several of the websites as requested. One of the participatant groups is the YCL which is the Young Communist League. I went to their website. Here is what is posted for public consumption:

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    When Glenn Beck turned out an estimated 87,000 (white) people to his “I have a nightmare” hate-a-palooza on the anniversary of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King’s historic “I have a dream” speech he should have known that the masses would not allow it to go unanswered. That same day the One Nation Working Together rally was announced.
    One Nation Working Together is a coalition of hundreds of progressive organizations including labor unions and peace and justice organizations from around the country most notably including the AFL-CIO and the NAACP who have put millions of dollars into providing transportation and assistance to get the word out.
    The One Nation website states it’s goals for the event “We march for a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. We march for jobs, justice, and education. We march for an economy that works for all. We march for a nation in which each person who wants to work can find a job that pays enough to support a family.

    We march to create a million new jobs right away, because the national values that got us out of the Great Depression will get us out of the Great Recession.

    We march to build a world-class public education system, from pre-school to community college and beyond – because our nation must start unleashing the greatness of every child today.

    We march to end racial profiling and re-segregation– from Arizona to Atlanta. We march to defend the Voting Rights Act and the 14th Amendment. We march to advance human rights, civil rights, equal protection, and dignity for all.

    We march to fix the broken immigration system – because no child should live in fear that her parents will be deported.

    We march to ensure every worker has a voice at work. We march for green jobs and safe workplaces, so no worker will have to choose between her livelihood and her life.

    We march for a clean environment, so no child is ever forced to decide between drinking the water or breathing the air and staying healthy.

    We march to move our nation beyond this moment when a handful of Senators can block urgently needed progress – skewing our national budget towards tax cuts for the wealthy, unjustified military spending and prisons.

    We march for peace abroad and job creation at home. We march for energy independence, public safety, and public transportation because the nation we want to build most is our own.”
    The Young Communist League will also be in full force with comrades traveling from the four corners of our country in solidarity.
    For more info on the event and how you can participate…

    see: One Nation Working Together

  192. Obama lets another big company take their work to CHina. So did the rethugs….WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!

    Wed Sep 29, 9:01 am ET
    NEW YORK (AFP) – Caterpillar, the world’s largest manufacturer of construction equipment, will build a factory in China to produce mini hydraulic excavators, the company said in a statement.

    Construction will begin in Wujiang, near Shanghai, at the end of 2010 and the facility should be ready in 2012 to begin production of mini excavators of less than eight tons, the company said Tuesday.

    Caterpillar did not say how much the project will cost.

    It is part of a long-term plan for investments in China that will make Caterpillar one of the leading manufacturers of construction equipment in the country.

    “China is the world’s largest market for excavators in the below eight ton class, and the development of this new facility will better position Caterpillar to provide our customers in China with solutions that will help them succeed,” said Mary Bell, a Caterpillar vice president.

    Caterpillar already has a factory in Xuzhou, which is also near Shanghai.

    The company, which is headquartered in Peoria, Illinois, had sales and revenue of 32.4 billion dollars in 2009.

  193. CAN DEMS LOSE CT. SENATE SEAT?

    dailycaller.com/2010/09/29/tightening-connecticut-race-weakens-democrats-final-firewall-between-them-and-loss-of-senate/

    Tightening Connecticut race weakens Democrats’ final firewall between them and loss of Senate
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    By Jon Ward – The Daily Caller
    09/29/2010

    The news Tuesday that the Connecticut Senate race is edging close to a dead heat was bad news for Democrats looking at the national map.

    Not only is Republican Linda McMahon’s self-funded steamroller of a campaign going to require national Democrats

    to divert money into the race at a time when they are already stretched thin, but Connecticut could be the state that moves the GOP to 10 pickups and control of the Senate.

    Democrats tried Tuesday to push back against the idea that Connecticut was moving to a tossup, pointing to an internal poll from Monday showing Democrat Richard Blumenthal up 12 points over Republican Linda McMahon. But the reality of the aggregate polling is that former WWE CEO McMahon has steadily narrowed the gap with a barrage of ads, and shows no signs of easing off her stated goal of spending up to $50 million of her own money.

    That is a huge boon for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which can focus its resources on other strategic states in a mad dash over the final month before Election Day. The NRSC and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee both have roughly $24 million in their war chests to spend in the last 30 days.

    The likelihood of a GOP Senate takeover seems a bit less likely than it did a few weeks ago, when Beltway speculation abounded. But as of now, the Nutmeg State looks like the most vulnerable of the five races that make up the Democrats final firewall: California, Connecticut, Delaware, New York and Washington.

    New York remains the outlier of the five, still only a fantasy in a race where Republican Joe DioGuardi is badly outgunned in finances by incumbent Democrat Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s $12 million war chest. But recent polling has shown that race tightening, and Gillibrand’s lead in the Real Clear Politics Average has been cut from 20 points less than two weeks ago to 10 points.

    Democratic incumbents Barbara Boxer in California and Patty Murray in Washington have been the brights spots of late for a national party beginning to assume the fetal position. Both have begun to put some distance between themselves and their Republican challengers in the last two weeks, and are about five or six points ahead on average.

    Boxer, in particular, has done so well that national Democrats have argued that the NRSC’s withdrawal of a $1.9 million ad buy for the last week before the Nov. 2 election was a sign that the GOP wants to move the money to other races and is giving up on their candidate, former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina. Republicans say they merely wanted to give Fiorina flexibility to spend the money around the state and not just in one city.

    But a Democratic ad buyer who has watched the race closely said the GOP’s buy in late July locked in about 1200 points – or a guarantee of roughly 12 ad views per person in the target range – over that last week. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee made a similar ad buy at the same time over the summer.

    However, rates have gone up since then, the Democrat said, and so giving up the buy means that a repurchase by the GOP would cost more for the same amount of air time or would buy fewer points with the same $1.9 million amount.

    It’s possible that Republicans have decided their money would be better spent in a race like West Virginia, which has quickly become very close, with the bet being that their chances are better there and that Fiorina can afford to spend some more of her own fortune in California if she deems it a worthy investment. A Fiorina spokeswoman did not respond to an e-mail Tuesday evening.

    But NRSC spokesman Brian Walsh said nothing has changed in the GOP’s commitment to California.

    “The NRSC has committed a minimum of two million dollars to Carly Fiorina because we are confident she will beat Barbara Boxer in November,” Walsh said.

    Walsh said that the DSCC has “cut loose” their candidates in Ohio, New Hampshire, Louisiana, Indiana, Arkansas and Florida after bragging for months of their viability, and that, in contrast, “our candidates have the full support of the NRSC and we are committed to helping them win.”

    Then there is Delaware, where some observers have speculated that Tea Party favorite Christine O’Donnell could pull close and ride grassroots fervor to another unlikely victory. But polling so far has not borne that out – and so for now the First State is firmly in the Democratic column.

    But a Republican sweep of the six Democratic-held seats where races are too close to call, and one win in any of the five firewall races, would likely net a Republican majority in the Senate.

    The three states virtually guaranteed to flip from blue to red are Arkansas, Indiana and North Dakota. Then there is the second tier of neck and neck races, where Republicans have a slight edge in five out of six: Colorado, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and West Virginia.

    In Nevada, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the Democrat, has scraped and fought to stay barely ahead of Republican Sharron Angle, in a race that is about whose negatives will be higher.

    Winning all of the tight races may be the GOP’s biggest challenge in getting to 10, their magic number. But even if they don’t get to 10, the fact that such a prospect is a real possibility shows the breathtaking change in the political landscape over the last two years.

    “We could see Republican gains of seven or eight seats, but they could be as high as nine or 10,” wrote the National Journal’s Charlie Cook on Tuesday.

    “Historically, it’s very unusual to see the House flip but not the Senate,” he said. “There is some history for the Senate changing hands and the House staying the same. But when the House goes, the Senate seems to follow.”

    Democrats hope that in addition to keeping their firewall intact, they can win some combination of Illinois, Colorado and West Virginia, and maybe even steal Missouri
    or Kentucky from the Republican column.

  194. This email from businessman in Ohio is not intended to be a defense of Bush, but an indictment of Obama:
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    This is from a friend who, before retirement, was the President of the State Banking System of Ohio. This is a great lesson to understand as we enter the fall elections. Politicians on both sides have a way of making things sound good, and even though true, are very misleading. Progressives are killing this country, and we need to change course, but let’s make sure we are dealing with a full deck. Don’t believe everything you hear. Check it out before making up your mind. We will be deciding this country’s financial future…………. The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough,….. a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.

    Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

    For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets..

    And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:

    If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.

    In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th. There is no way this will be widely publicized. Unless each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference.

  195. ShortTermer, the Democratic Party has been infested with people and groups who actually are socialists and communists. And they have used the boogeyman of screaming “McCARTHYISM!!!” at anyone who dared to point out that fact to keep any criticism at bay. The other faction in the party is just the establishment corporatists, who want what’s best for the financiers, and screw the little guy.

    The Democratic Party used to be the party that wanted was was best for the common man within the confines of, and proudly adhering to our constitutional republic form of government. That is the party that I supported for so many years. It died in 2008.

    I want no part of these loons who want to “fundamentally transform” our country, or turn us into another Europe, or even Soviet Russia. Europe is lovely, nice place to visit, but it is NOT America. I don’t want to be them, I want to be America. I have no desire for the USA to become just another cog in the big wheel of global collectivism. Screw that. America is exceptional, and unique. I will NOT give up being the most free, most prosperous country in the world in pursuit of a completely illusory “social justice”.

    I may disagree with more conservative Americans in just how much of a safety net we need, and the extent of how much govt can help without becoming overwhelming and oppressive. But for all the gaps between me and my conservative friends, those gaps are NOTHING compared to the CHASM between me and the communists and socialists. I reject their world view – utterly and completely.

  196. Obama Crosses Credibility Threshold
    Bob Eberley

    It’s only human nature. When people face trouble, they try to talk their way out of it. When a mistake has been made, people try to explain what happened. When there is confusion, people try to clarify the situation through rhetoric. Normally communicating is good. It helps clear the air. But, for those who like to talk and talk and talk and talk, there is a risk. It’s what I call the credibility threshold. It’s that point at which a politician has “cried wolf” one too many times, and his or her constituents have stopped listening. Barack Obama has now crossed the credibility threshold, and the more he speaks, the more he helps his opponents.

    When Obama wanted to jam a nearly trillion dollar “stimulus” bill down the throats of Americans, the American people recoiled. They didn’t want it. So he made speeches and went on television. Talk, talk, talk. Because the Democrats had the numbers, they passed the bill. Of course, the economy is still in the toilet because left-wing economic policies don’t work, but Obama has continued to talk about his plan.

    On health care, the American public was united in its opposition, yet Obama kept talking. Talk, talk, talk, but no listening. The Democrats passed the bill, and like expected, we are learning that costs will be higher, people will be forced to change plans, and the government will have more control than ever. What has Obama done about this? More talking.

    And then there’s taxes. Faced with high unemployment, Obama wants to raise taxes on those people who actually are in a position to hire other people. Obama would prefer the government to do the hiring. The American people do not want taxes raised on any one, yet he is just talking and talking.

    It is over the course of the last couple of months that Obama has crossed the credibility threshold. His plans aren’t working. The American people are frustrated, and even some Democrats in Washington are running for cover. Obama has reached the point where not only are his speeches ineffective, but they have turned him into a caricature himself. Now, when he talks about “hope and change,” the American people hear, “I want higher taxes, more debt, and more government control.”

    As noted in a story on FoxNews.com, Obama was in Wisconsin on Tuesday trying to rally for the states Democrat candidates. Democrat Sen. Russ Feingold had talked about skipping the appearance with Obama, citing the work that still needed to be done in Washington. Feingold is in the battle of his life for his Senate seat, and an appearance with Obama is not really what he’s looking for.

    In the latest Rasmussen Reports poll, 41% of respondents strongly disapprove of the job Obama is doing. Only 29% strongly approve.

    New polling shows that the president is playing a big role in the West Virginia Senate race. Democratic Governor Joe Manchin enjoys sky high Job Approval ratings but the race has moved to the Toss-Up category in the Rasmussen Reports Election 2010 Balance of Power summary. Manchin’s positives are matched by negative perceptions of the president in that state. The Connecticut Senate race is also getting closer.
    Even so-called “journalists” are trying to rally the Democrat base, knowing full well that Obama has done a miserable job of doing it. Just listen to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews who says that the “bad guys are gaining” in reference to Republicans

    Republicans continue to lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot poll, most voters want Obama’s health care legislation repealed, and Democrats are no longer walking in lock-step with Obama. Democrats are looking for cover from the perfect storm.

    The more Obama speaks, the less effective he becomes. In his rally in Wisconsin, Obama said, “We can’t let this country fall backwards because the rest of us didn’t care enough to fight.” Hmmmm…. can’t fall backwards? It seems to me like Obama is asking Americans to “stay the course.” That rhetoric didn’t work before, and it’s not going to work now. Americans want real change, and as long as Obama keeps talking, they will be reminded of the policies he has put into place: policies that the American people didn’t want. Policies that don’t work and are not in line with the American way. Obama has crossed the credibility threshold. So… keep talking and campaigning for Democrats. When you do, they have a funny knack for losing.

  197. turndown, gonzotx, wbboei, you are all correct that Bill Clinton had very high approval ratings when he left office. The standard polling had him at 66% the week of Jan 10 – Jan 14, 2001.

    Also, the Wall Street Journal’s website itself has Bill Clinton’s end of office approval ratings in the 60’s, as can be seen at the following link.

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

    Perhaps it might be in the best interest then of the WSJ to fact check their articles; it’s kind of hard to take such reporting with merit, when you contradict even your own selves.

  198. Obama lets another big company take their work to CHina. So did the rethugs….WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!
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    The economic prospects for the “bottom” 80% is grim, IMO. If there are answers to bankrupting of the American middle-class, they aren’t simple and are likely more like the “New Deal” of trying things to see what works. Politicians and the American public have been conditioned to the “hide the bad news” and provide simple answers that I have no idea where we go from here. As far as I can tell, all of the energy, economic, infrastructure, etc., issues are being kicked down the road for the next gen to worry about. The teens and twenty somethings of today are looking ahead to a really grim future.

    “US Census Bureau figures
    2009 income gap in the US highest on record
    By David Walsh
    29 September 2010

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    “Some of the figures, for particular states and regions, are simply staggering. Michigan residents experienced a 6.2 percent decrease in median income in the course of one year, from 2008 to 2009, while Illinois has suffered a 24 percent increase in poverty in the past decade. More than 36 percent of Detroit’s population officially lives in poverty.

    Overall, the 2009 American Community Survey reveals that median household income fell in the US nearly 3 percent between 2008 and 2009, from $51,726 to $50,221. This was the second consecutive year in which household incomes dropped. Median income declined in 34 states, and increased only in sparsely populated North Dakota.

    “Thirty-one states saw increases in both the number and percentage of people in poverty between 2008 and 2009,” reported the Census Bureau in a press release. “No state had a statistically significant decline in either the number in poverty or the poverty rate.”

    National median income is down 4 percent from its peak when the recession officially began in December 2007. Last year alone, noted the Washington Post, accounted for $1,500 of that average loss.”
    (snip)
    The proportion of Americans living in extreme poverty, defined as half the derisory official poverty line, or $10,977 for a family of four, rose from 5.7 percent in 2008 to 6.3 percent last year, an 11 percent increase in the number of people living in dire circumstances in one year. The 2009 figure was the highest level since the US government began tracking the very poor in 1975. To the everlasting shame of the American political establishment, the District of Columbia, home to the US government, has the highest proportion of residents living in extreme poverty of any state or district, 10.7 percent.

    The top 20 percent of the population, those making more than $100,000 a year, took in nearly 50 percent of all income generated in the US in 2009, while the 44 million people living below the poverty line received only 3.4 percent. “That ratio of 14.5-to-1 was an increase from 13.6 in 2008 and nearly double a low of 7.69 in 1968” (AP).

    The top 5 percent of the US population in terms of income, those making $180,000 or more, added slightly to their annual incomes last year…..
    (snip)

    etc…etc…etc

  199. HillaryforTexas
    September 29th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Awesome! Very, very well said.

    Those of you that keep pining for the old days and claiming that you’re going to keep voting Demonrat in select areas, whether because they supported Hillary or because they are just good people, please think twice, or three times, or even four times if necessary. I know it’s been said a thousand times on these pages but the slow, steady drum beat must continue. The Party has been so overrun by despots that only a complete cleansing will allow us to restore balance to our political system. Sure, the R’s will get Tim Kaine’s keys again, but that is the only way to clean the slate and allow a new crop of D’s back into the Party.

  200. Confloyd, thank you. I did read the rant at LameCherry. Whoooaaaa! That was some rant.
    Thank you HillaryforTexas for responding. As for the rally in DC on Oct 2nd. My grandson has a litany of teachers from both sides of his famiy going back for generations. I talked with my daughter today (who is out of town)and she is very upset that NEA, the National Teachers’ Association, has provided money for huge grants to pay for attendance for teachers and staff to attend the rally. I just can not see any sane person aligning themselves with communists and marxists to achieve a goal, any goal.

  201. rgb44hrc
    September 29th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
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    rgb: I think the case for a Republican takeover of the senate has been overstated. From the beginning, I have believed they will pick up only six seats. That is not enough. The House on the other hand will switch. But after that happens, they will all swear their allegiance once again to Obama. They will not jump overboard until he plows the ship of state into an iceberg by mid 2011. When that happens, I hope the American People are smart enough to connect the dots, and extract their vengeance on the guilty parties. These things happen slowly but build in intensity over the course of time. This is an economic meltdown of the country, and it was preventable if the right policies had been instituted. The good news is there will come a point where Obama bears the full brunt of it.

  202. The vengeance I refer to is to first drive these people out of office. That is a given. And then, I would hope someone would take the time to connect the dots so everyone understands why each of these people are culpable. The Obama crowd has got to go. But so do the establishment Republicans. Together they have squandered the last best opportunity for this country,

  203. confloyd
    September 29th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Obama lets another big company take their work to CHina. So did the rethugs….WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!

    Wed Sep 29, 9:01 am ET
    NEW YORK (AFP) – Caterpillar, the world’s largest manufacturer of construction equipment, will build a factory in China to produce mini hydraulic excavators, the company said in a statement.
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    One could easily argue that they are doing the same thing Toyota did and that is building factories in the home market they want to sell into, to build customer loyalty, avoid transportation costs etc.

    But that is a specious argument.

    Rather, what we have here is the prototypical example of how Obama operates. Act I; Obama makes grand speeches about job security when Caterpillar opens a factory. Job builder Obama his shills call him. Second, Obama invites the President of Caterpillar to be on his Council of Economic Advisors, along with Imelt–the rest are union people like the corrupt Andy Stern and academicians to help him formulate economic policies which will serve the interests of our nation. Act III: Obama lets his friend, political supporter and economic advisor turn right around and ship all these jobs to China. Act IV; is still being written.

  204. If you read this blog on a regular basis you may notice that there are a lot of posts by Larry Johnson, the blog owner. The other writers have not been very productive. Usually, us contributing writers fill the posts, but lately we may have have been uninspired.

    In 2008 NQ ranked higher than Britney/Lindsay hot sheets because the writers were excited/exciting and the readers were energetic with their comments.

    Today you are watching the Obama administration doing exactly what many writers here predicted they would do – mess up. And many of you are just walking away from the discussion because you are tired.

    Well. Crap.

    We are less than energetic about “going after them” because we knew it was coming, and we are deflated. We hoped that our predictions would not come true. We all, though we thought we were right, hoped we were wrong. Shame on us for being such hopeful fools.

    Playwright Neal Simon once said that the only thing worse than a hopless romantic is a hopeful one.

    What, now, do we do?

    This may sound like a broken record record broke broken record.

    Vote. Even if you do not know about the opponent, vote against the person in office now. You have the character of a citizen manager of this great country and a chance now to shake things up. Do it! Just get out and vote.

    Get active. What makes the Tea Party work? What makes the Environmental Movement work? What makes any wish-it-would-happen work? You do.

    Read, listen, share and find a group that sounds a little bit like you and GET INVOLVED. Find out where they meet and drop in. Don’t be like an Obama trolling turd and just sit at your computer. Go out – I mean outside of your house – and engage people. If you hit it off that is great. If you don’t – then you only wasted one evening. Go do it.

    Share your views.

    Your beliefs are important. If something, that your government is doing, is not sitting right with you and you know it makes you feel uncomfortable, then say something. Say it to your friends, kids, parents, spouses and the readers here. Don’t just do it on the Internet.

    Get your buttocks off of the couch, walk down the street, and make a difference.

    West Virginia just had a special primary to replace Robert Byrd for the US Senate. The turnout was 12%. The winner got around 60,000 votes, out of one million voters. We could wake up tomorrow and find ourselves, by us not showing up to vote, run by a Daniel Ortega, Hezbollah or Allah with a new world order. If 100% of the Ayers voters show up and only 12% of ours come out to vote then we could find ourselves under idiot rule forever. I am serious. If any of you think that staying at home on election day is an option, just wait until the energetic minority takes over your country and your home.

    Oh.. wait. It happened in 2008. Only the loonies showed up to vote and the rest of our friends were going to the car wash that day.

    It is your choice. Be active or ..
    This message has been brought to you by the Committee that thinks that you are not insignificant.

    Who gave you the right, 2008, to take over my country? This is a sprint. On November 2, 2010 I will pass you. In the year twenty twelve I will leave you in the dust. Join me, folks.

    Get Naked. Go vocal.

    This is your country.

    Run it.

    ps. I don’t want to see you with your clothes off. I just want to see you turned on, and turning on other people to go out and vote.

  205. wbboei
    September 29th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
    If you read this blog on a regular basis you may notice that there are a lot of posts by Larry Johnson, the blog owner. The other writers have not been very productive. Usually, us contributing writers fill the posts, but lately we may have have been uninspired.

    wbboei —

    As one of the regular writers at NQ, part of the reason I have not been writing as much is an illness in the family. Another is finishing the book I was working on re the campaign and its aftermath — I have done so and it is now being considered by several NY literary agencies — keep your fingers crossed please!!

    Beyond that, you do have a point that is is exhausting to have to keep writing “I told you so” in one form or another…

  206. wbboei @ This is your country. Run it.
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    Yes. I find two compelling reasons to vote ‘out with the incombents regardless of party’ and ‘in with the new.’ For both parties, doing so will fracture cozy DC alliances. For the Democrats, who all remained silent as Obama was time after time endorsed by numerous SuperDelegates, and then nominated by all, and to this very day, not one of them has ever admitted to the treason, vote them all out – as many as possible. 18 million+ votes were negated by that heinous act, and my votes this time will reflect the fact as well as the travesty of incestuous alliances in both parties.

    Now on to another heinous travesty, the fact that Maj. Nidal Hasan, having been charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 30 – some counts of attempted premeditate murder, still keeps the rank and uniform. Additionally, the permanent stain of our President admonishing “Don’t rush to judgment” upon hearing of the massacre. And now this tragedy which, as you will read, is being interpreted as having no connection to the Hasan case. Just horrible, horrible, horrible:

    (CNN) — Four soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas died over the week. In all four cases, it appears the soldiers, all decorated veterans from the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, took their own lives, according to Christopher Haug, a Fort Hood spokesman. If confirmed as suicides, it would be on top of 14 other suicides on the base this year. Base officials called a news conference for Wednesday afternoon to discuss the problem of suicides at the huge base in central Texas … It’s yet more violence for Fort Hood, which was the site of the worst shooting on an American military base in decades. On November 5 of last year, a gunman opened fire in a building on the post, killing 12 people and injuring dozens of others. Maj. Nidal Hasan, an Army psychiatrist was shot and paralyzed by police who responded to the incident and is facing murder charges in the case.

    Grimsley doesn’t see a link between the the suicides and the shooting last year. “I don’t draw a correlation, it’s clearly in our respective psyches and will be for life. But so are all of the other things that have gone on here.”

    The first testimony in Hasan’s pre-trial hearing is set to start in two snip

    h t t p://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/29/texas.fort.hood.deaths/index.html

  207. wbboei –

    As one of the regular writers at NQ, part of the reason I have not been writing as much is an illness in the family. Another is finishing the book I was working on re the campaign and its aftermath — I have done so and it is now being considered by several NY literary agencies — keep your fingers crossed please!!

    Beyond that, you do have a point that is is exhausting to have to keep writing “I told you so” in one form or another…
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    Ani–your work is brilliant. I was simply posting what another blogger at No Quarter said. I thought it copied on what was posted but evidently not. It was Eastan McNeill. I do not share his criticism of the writers at that site–but I very much agree with his admonition that all of us need to do more than blog–and that includes me. I talk to people alot, but the people I talk to most of the time agree with me, which means I am preaching to the choir. Not much value in that. The more we can expand our horizons and talk to people who are beginning to see the light only now the better. I have had several invitations to join the local tea party but have not done so yet, and that is inexcusable. So in a strange way I was attacking myself. But certainly not you. The work you have been doing is terrific, and I am sorry about having an illness in the family. I can relate because I am dealing with the same issues myself and have been for over six months.

  208. wbboei — thank you for your kind words to me and understanding.

    And yes, we can all be doing more. As to Eastan or anyone offering criticism to anyone else — there is an old saying… “Keep the focus on yourself.”

  209. Yes. I find two compelling reasons to vote ‘out with the incombents regardless of party’ and ‘in with the new.’ For both parties, doing so will fracture cozy DC alliances. For the Democrats, who all remained silent as Obama was time after time endorsed by numerous SuperDelegates, and then nominated by all, and to this very day, not one of them has ever admitted to the treason, vote them all out – as many as possible. 18 million+ votes were negated by that heinous act, and my votes this time will reflect the fact as well as the travesty of incestuous alliances in both parties.
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    Very well put. As you say, we must Hold Them Accountable. If we don’t nobody will, because Big Media has fallen on its sword.

  210. From the Roman General who defeated Hannibal, whom Liddel Hart called a greater than Napoleon, this quote with applies down through the centuries to us as Hillary supporters and Americans, as we watch our adversaries maneuver:

    I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.
    Scipio Africanus

    I’m never less at leisure than when at leisure, or less alone than when alone.
    Scipio Africanus

  211. turndown, gonzotx, wbboei, you are all correct that Bill Clinton had very high approval ratings when he left office. The standard polling had him at 66% the week of Jan 10 – Jan 14, 2001.

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    I’m sure those high 60s for Bill were ‘job approval.’ I remember whenever a new Starr page got leaked, Bill’s job approval went up. ;-))))))

    So I’m pretty sure the recent lower numbers are somethinhg other than ‘job approval’ — some woo woo personality contest thing.

  212. Somewhere, someone put together a list of 2010 Congressional Candidates and whether they endorsed Clinton or Obama in the 2008 primaries. Thought some might be interested in knowing whose up for election this year, and where they were in 2008.

    2008 Obama supporters/endorsers up for election this year:
    Arizona CD-5 Harry Mitchell
    Arizona CD-8 Gabrielle Giffords
    Calif. CD-11 Jerry McNerney
    Colorado CD-3 John Salazar
    Florida CD-22 Ron Klein
    Georgia CD-2 Sanford Bishop
    Illinois CD-14 Bill Foster
    Indiana CD-2 Joe Donnelly
    Indiana CD-9 Baron Hill
    Kentucky CD-3 John Yarmuth
    Kentucky CD-6 Ben Chandler
    N Dakota CD-AL Earl Pomeroy
    Ohio CD-18 Zack Space
    Penn CD-4 Jason Altmire
    Penn CD-8 Patrick Murphy
    S Carol. CD-5 John Spratt
    Texas CD-17 Chet Edwards
    Virginia CD-9 Rick Boucher
    Washington CD-2 Rick Larsen
    W. VA CD-3 Nick Rahall
    Wisconsin CD-8 Steve Kagen

    The same for Hillary Supporters.

    2008 Hillary Supporters/Endorsers
    California CD-47 Loretta Sanchez
    Iowa CD-3 Leonard Boswell
    Missouri CD-4 Ike Skelton
    N Carolina CD-11 Heath Shuler
    New York CD-1 Tim Bishop
    New York CD-19 John Hall
    New York CD-24 Michael Arcuri
    Penn CD-11 Paul Kanjorski
    Texas CD-23 Ciro Rodriguez

  213. “As one of the regular writers at NQ, part of the reason I have not been writing as much is an illness in the family. Another is finishing the book I was working on re the campaign and its aftermath — I have done so and it is now being considered by several NY literary agencies — keep your fingers crossed please!!”

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    ani,

    I so sorry to hear about your family troubles. I hope things take a turn for the better.

    Congrats on finishing your book. It’s wonderful to know that there are at least a few authors out there that are writing the truth. I hope it gets picked up soon.

  214. semi-personal. I don’t need to BE gay or a Tea Party person or Muslim or whatever — to defend them against unfair attacks.

  215. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.
    Scipio Africanus

    With respect, I doubt very seriously that Scipio Africanus used any such words.

    Or that Einstein ever made any such remark as that attributed to him about ‘the definition of insanity.’

  216. Clinton to travel to Serbia and Kosovo next month

    WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday she would travel next month to Serbia and Kosovo, which two years ago gained its independence from Serbia, for talks with their leaders.

    “The United States welcomes the European Union?s efforts to help Serbia and Kosovo resolve the practical issues between them,” Clinton said at a press conference with EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.

    Clinton said she and Ashton discussed how to “enhance our cooperation not only at this level but on the ground,” with the chief US diplomat saying she will be in the region in about ten days.

    “I am very much looking forward to my visit to both Belgrade and Pristina and the opportunity not only to speak with leaders, but also with citizens,” Clinton said.

    “Because it’s important that we keep the goal of that future in the minds of both Serbs and Kosovars, because there are difficult issues that they will have to resolve,” Clinton said.

    “The European Union and the United States stand ready to assist and facilitate, to support and cajole that the parties do reach these agreements with each other,” she said.

    Kosovo is due to resume talks with Serbia, which has never formally accepted the independence of its former province.

    Kosovo declared its independence in 2008 and, despite Serbia’s fierce opposition, is recognized by 70 countries including the United States and the majority of European Union members.

    Pristina was given a boost in July when the United Nation’s highest court, the International Court of Justice, ruled that Kosovo’s declaration of independence did not violate international law.

    Earlier this month Belgrade agreed to hold EU-facilitated talks with Pristina to try to pave the way for both to join the European Union.

    Serbia’s President Boris Tadic told the UN General Assembly at the weekend that the talks would start “soon” but no date has been set.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iTB8ZFb3XfzDDVBtQUd7e8BhmJww?docId=CNG.4daaf11c7ddd763d80932d78a88c5277.6e1

  217. Rolling Stone celebrity Matt Taibi has written a piece on the Tea Parties It is typical of his work. The research is sloppy, his analysis lacks any depth and it confirms his own biased viewpoint. Years ago, he wrote a column on the Mafia, which falsely accused a friend of mine based on poor research and superficial analysis. I rather suspect that Matt is no stranger to controlled substances. One thing is certain however: Matt Taibi is a light weight who cannot see the forest for the trees. And that is a fact.

    The following is excerpt is particularly important:

    ““Few in the GOP establishment would agree with Taibi’s claim that the TEA PARTY movement has been ‘deployed’ to their advantage by groups like FreedomWorks. Rather, it’s been a HOSTILE TAKE OVER RESISTED BY THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT at every step,” (snip)“This GENUINE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT is the PEOPLE REASSERTING THEMSELVES against the members of BOTH parties who make up the ARROGANT POLITICAL CLASS that has ABUSED ITS POWERS for too long… something the once-upon-a-time anti-establishment Rolling Stone may have sided with, rather than defending the powers that be.” (EMPHASIS ADDED). (Note: in this light, think again about Murkowski, Rove, et. al.).
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    Matt Taibbi On The Tea Parties
    By Ben Domenchi

    If sophistication is the ability to understand different kinds of people and grapple with different ideas, Matt Taibbi’s latest Tea Party bashing piece in Rolling Stone can best be read as an expose of the provincial unsophistication of Taibbi, his editors, and any readers who take his article seriously. Taibbi’s piece is a slovenly mess of leftist tropes, with his usual lazy approach to basic facts. This is a shame. The story of the Tea Party era, in the hands of a more competent writer, is incredibly interesting, breaking all sorts of rules of politics, changing our understanding of base and establishment relationships, and marking a possible turning point in the history of American political movements — but Taibbi is so committed to his predetermined plot, he blatantly ignores –- or in some cases abuses –- the truth along the way.

    Taibbi blasts away at the Tea Partiers as stupid evil people manipulated by smart evil people — as a bunch of crazy redneck idjits created by Ron Paul, who then got co-opted by even more despicable corporate interests. His narrative is that the “Tea Party’s political outrage is being appropriated, with thanks, by the Goldmans and BPs of the world,” and the subtitle of his piece is “How corporate interests and Republican insiders built the Tea Party monster.” Of course he’s right about this, when you look at the facts. We’ve all seen how the Republican establishment and their corporate allies, with their savvy and secretive organizations, were able to manipulate the Tea Party movement into supporting candidates like Bob Bennett, Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist, Trey Grayson, Jane Norton, and Lisa Murkowski. The evidence is everywhere! Right? Right. And never mind that Taibbi happens to pick as his examples two corporations — BP and Goldman Sachs — known for their conspicuous donations to the Democratic Party (by hefty margins).

    Taibbi mentions the Koch brothers in passing (no conspiratorial piece about Tea Party funding goes without this, though like any good water-carrier, Taibbi leaves out their inconvenient donations to the Democrats). But he saves particular bile for FreedomWorks, the Dick Armey-led group which has been a major policy source for Tea Partiers.

    Here’s where it just gets silly. Taibbi writes that FreedomWorks was “conspicuously silent during George Bush’s gargantuan spending” — uh, did someone never learn how to use Google? FreedomWorks has long been known as an organization guided by libertarian principles and an emphasis on small government. Any schoolchild with access to Google can see an immense paper trail of FreedomWorks opposing big government approaches under Bush, Clinton, Bush, and even Reagan. FreedomWorks was one of the most vocal opponents of Bush’s spending initiatives from the right, including Medicare Part D and the TARP Wall Street bailout (which other less principled outfits supported). If Taibbi is revealing anything here, it’s that he himself was never much interested in critiques of big government until he was compelled by party loyalty to try to discredit them.

    This type of inaccurate reporting goes beyond laziness — it’s so wrong, and so easily correctable, that I can’t think it is explained by a series of unintentional mistakes. It’s just a blatant lie, one the fact-checkers let stand.

    I recognize that Taibbi was a tabloid journalist in Russia covering sports and gossip in the early 1990s while FreedomWorks was protesting HillaryCare at every speech where Clinton promoted her plan, but saying that anti-big government activists “only took to the streets when a black Democrat president launched an emergency stimulus program” is just flat-out wrong. Any honest Capitol Hill staffer will tell you that the real pushback started in September 2008, when the yet-unnamed Tea Partiers let fly against the Bush-Pelosi-Reid bailout, and exploded in the late summer town halls of the following year, primarily in response to the President’s health care bill. Yet somehow Taibbi credits this movement to Ron Paul + secretive Republican manipulators + those Jewish bankers he’s always yammering about? (And a hint to Taibbi: if your conspiracy theory involves the Paul family collaborating with Goldman Sachs, that tinfoil’s screwed on too tight).

    There were precious few benefits to come out of the recent financial crisis, but one of them has to be the acceptance of Taibbi’s public descent into raving insanity. His reputation is as a once-interesting writer ruined by his increasingly partisan ideology — better than never being interesting at all, of course, but it’s never a good thing when more than one person compares your path to Paul Krugman. So few people who cover Wall Street or understand the economy take Taibbi seriously after his mumbling articles for Rolling Stone and the now defunct True/Slant, which contained buckets of paranoid meanderings and often bizarre inaccuracies about the beat he claimed to own. He seems far more petty and vindictive now, perhaps just because Rolling Stone’s editors seem uninterested in cutting it out.

    It’s a small factor, but there’s something else here too. Taibbi became an exclusive magazine property after True/Slant was purchased by Steve Forbes’ publishing company, thereby ending his popular blog at the site — Taibbi doesn’t disclose this fact, but in a classic measure of his dry wit, he does brand Forbes a “billionaire turd.” No comment from Forbes, who was probably jetskiing across Lake Franzibald.

    This piece is just clumsy. It’s not clever, it’s not new, it’s not even interesting, and it gets more facts wrong than it has pages. It’s Taibbi’s agenda tarted up as a piece of journalism and trotted out to please those seeking eager dirty talk about the Tea Party, as if he hopes they’ll ignore the smeared makeup and track lines.

    Maybe Taibbi is just tired of covering a movement months after he pronounced it “Perverted and Irrelevant.” Maybe he’s tired of getting owned by Dana Loesch on CNN. Or maybe his head hankie is tied too tight.

    I asked Max Pappas at FreedomWorks to weigh in on this, and he offered this response:

    “Few in the GOP establishment would agree with his claim that the tea party movement has been ‘deployed’ to their advantage by groups like FreedomWorks. Rather, it’s been a hostile takeover resisted by the GOP establishment at every step,” Pappas said. “This genuine grassroots movement is the people reasserting themselves against the members of both parties who make up the arrogant political class that has abused its powers for too long… something the once-upon-a-time anti-establishment Rolling Stone may have sided with, rather than defending the powers that be.”

    Apt, considering that Taibbi’s piece comes on the heels of Jann Wenner’s slobber-drenched interview with President Obama. As the saying goes, politics sooner or later makes a fool out of everyone. “Once you wanted revolution/now you’re the institution/how’s it feel to be the man.”

  218. With respect, I doubt very seriously that Scipio Africanus used any such words.
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    Well then why don’t you find out where he is buried, dig him up, and ask him. That is the only way to satisfy those doubts.

  219. With respect, I doubt very seriously that Scipio Africanus used any such words.
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    Well then why don’t you find out where he is buried, dig him up, and ask him. That is the only way to satisfy those doubts.
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    Well, some kind of a cited source, in a reputable classics edition, would go a long way — if the person presenting the assertion would care to support it.

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