A Koran Bar-B-Que And A Mosque Of Doom In The Age Of Fake

As on target as we have been with our early and repeated warnings that “Barack Obama is the Third Bush Term” and that “Obama cannot be trusted” – we have been especially correct in labeling this period of history polluted by Barack Obama as The Age Of Fake.

Any doubt we are in the Age of Fake was dispelled when the hitherto gold standard of sacrifice, hard work, and achievement – the Nobel Peace Prize – was awarded to Barack Obama. At the time we wrote “the Nobel Peace Prize turned itself into a piece of bling-bling junk“. Barack Obama acolytes cheered for their god and sensible people yelled “Fake!”

This September, Time magazine published “How Barack Obama Became Mr. Unpopular.” Some Obama acolytes confessed to the fakeness of the entire Obama enterprise:

In more confiding moments, aides admit that the peak of Obama’s popularity may have been inflated, a fleeting result of elation at the prospect of change and national pride in electing the first African-American President. As one White House aide puts it, “It was sort of fake.”

Which brings us to the ninth year anniversary of the killing of thousands of Americans at the World Trade Center by Muslim adherents, the Mosque of Doom, and the Koran book burning.

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As contrived and fake as Barack Obama is and has been, the Obama Dimocratic Left is even worse. At least Barack Obama lied and schemed to advance himself. The current Obama Dimocratic Left is a fake contrivance which betrays the principles they espouse.

Exhibit A for contemptible fake is Jeralyn Merritt of a Left Talking website. This repulsive creature was a lawyer for Oklahoma City mass murderer Timothy McVeigh who recalls Timmy as a sweet kid. This repulsive hypocrite and fake is a member of the defense bar and a civil libertarian who moans and whines about the Patriot Act but when push comes to shove all her alleged principles go out the window.

What was the reaction of this repulsive hypocrite to the Koran book burning? Merritt demanded the government of the United States crush the book burner with trumped up charges, fakes arrests, and suppression of First Amendment free speech rights. Repulsive hypocrite Jeralyn Merritt alleged non-existent crimes and bizarre fantasies/allegations of book thefts:

The Dove World Outreach Center sounds like a cult and a hate group.

Destruction, Damage, or Vandalism of Property can be a hate crime.[snip]

Where is the Terry Jones and his flock getting the Qurans he plans on burning? He’s not going to find them in the garbage as abandoned property. Unless he purchases them, they don’t belong to him or his church. Can they be charged with hate crimes for destroying them?

Also, the church recently lost part of its tax exempt status for running a for-profit business on its property. Does it owe back taxes? Is there a willful failure to pay or file?”

Citing hate crime legislation, the repulsive hypocrite called for government intervention to suppress free speech. ‘Find anything to imprison him’ yelled the defense bar hypocrite. This is a “cult and a hate group” screamed the alleged civil libertarian ‘so suppress it with the full power of government intervention’.

In an update, the repulsive hypocrite civil libertarian wrote:

“The Dove Center has been denied a permit to build a bonfire. It says it will proceed anyway. Can’t they be arrested? Too bad it’s not considered arson, then they could be denied bond. The damage they are causing is serious. In Afghanistan, they believe the entire U.S. is behind this:[snip]

There are calls for death to Obama and the U.S.[snip]

I do not think this is free speech. It’s intended to provoke, and capable of provoking, a violent response with resulting injury or death. Terry Jones is not a Christian, he’s a hate-monger, a radical and a charlatan. I hope people stop imbuing him with a sense of legitimacy by referring to his group as a church. It’s a radical, fundamental sect and there’s nothing Christian about it.”

This repulsive zealot, hate-monger, charlatan, radical, and crackpot, we refer to Jeralyn Merritt, is wrong. The Koran burning is exactly the type of speech protected by the First Amendment. It is indeed meant to make a strong statement, repulsive to some but cheered by many others, and its is and should be fully protected under the United States Constitution.

The repulsive defense bar hypocrite and fake civil libertarian was not happy when Barack Obama followed Mayor Mike Bloomberg and admitted the Koran book burning is legally protected free speech. Merritt demanded suppression of free speech by any means necessary:

“If Obama believes Jones’ acts will serve as a recruiting tool for al Qaida, why doesn’t he have him charged with conspiring or attempting to to provide material support to terrorists? Or attempt or conspiracy to violate 18 USC Section 2383, Rebellion and Insurrection? [snip]

Maybe Obama should have Jones arrested on one of these charges and ask for detention, and then dismiss the case and release him on 9/12? [snip]

Or for a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2387: Activities affecting armed forces generally? Or 18 U.S.C. § 2388: Activities affecting armed forces during war? Here are the possibilities under Chapter 115, Treason, Sedition and Subversive Activities to choose from.

An attempt occurs when one takes a substantial step toward the commission of the crime. Acquiring the Qurans could be a substantial step. Since he’s agreed with others to commit an act likely to be harmful to the armed services or assist al Qaida in recruiting, acquiring the Qurans could be an overt act.”

Behold the Democratic Left at work! Behold a fake civil libertarian. We truly are in the Age of Fake. “Acquiring the Qurans” is a criminal overt act to this defense bar hypocrite. The logic of this stupid fake is astonishing. This repulsive hypocrite is in full agreement with non-defense bar, not-a-civil-libertarian Pat Buchanan:

“Would stopping Jones and confiscating the Qurans violate Jones’ First Amendment rights? Perhaps. And perhaps not. But if Eric Holder cannot find a charge against Davis, or an inherent power of a war president to prevent actions imminently damaging to the war effort, Obama should find some Justice Department attorneys who can.

Let the ACLU make the case that interfering with Davis’ bonfire violates his First Amendment rights. Let a U.S. court decide whether Obama has the power to take a decision previous wartime presidents would have taken without hesitation.”

Pat Buchanan does not pretend to be a civil libertarian. Buchanan is not a fake on this issue. The Left Talkers are the fakes. We’ve written about these Left Talker fakes before who tarred Sarah Palin with guilt by association and lurid bits of Hausfrau gossip.

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IN DEFENSE OF THE KORAN BOOK BURNING

Jeralyn Merritt might not understand that the First Amendment protects book burning. But book burning is a a right Americans have and which Americans should appreciate. Perhaps if Merritt thought of a book as the American flag, she could appreciate, if not outright applaud and cheer, the First Amendment protection afforded political speech.

What is the problem with book burning? Obviously if books are burned in order to preserve life (such as in a freezing cold cabin in which there is no other fuel) few sensible people will complain (unless it is a first edition Audubon or like text, then there indeed might be a dispute). What should be found objectionable is book burning by a coercive and powerful entity with the aim to suppress ideas or intimidate.

If some radio “personality” shock jock type scheduled book burnings of any paperback or hardcover with Fabio on the cover many would find it amusing. Many would laugh and only avid Fabio enthusiasts would complain. Book burnings of Fabio books would not be taken seriously. Anti-Fabio book burnings would be seen as more camp than anything else, not coercive force by the state or a powerful entity designed to suppress ideas or intimidate.

The first thought for many when considering book burning is horrible Nazi bonfires of books. The Nazi era book burnings were intended to intimidate (groups such as helpless Jews), suppress ideas and competing ideologies, and were carried out by the full force of the Nazi Party and its Brown Shirt troops, or by the Reich government with all the coercive monopoly power of the state.

The proposed Koran book burnings slated for today “International Koran Book Burning Day”, is not comparable to Nazi era book burnings. These Koran book burnings are not coercive, are not meant to intimidate, and are certainly not state sponsored. Indeed, as Hillary Clinton has said, most Americans view the scheduled burnings as “disgraceful”.

What determines the level of outrage about the Koran burning, is ones view of Islam. For some Islam is a religion of peace practiced by sweet innocents who cower in fear of massive intimidating forces of hate (think Anne Frank in the attic).

For others Islam is a murderous political force bent on world domination and backed by powerful financial forces. For these Islam must be confronted, not appeased.

Our view is that a large portion, if not most Muslims, are regular people from around the world who want to live their lives in peace and find comfort in their belief system. That some of these people find their belief system superior to other belief systems and harbor a degree of contempt for other religions and belief systems would neither shock nor bother us. Why join a religion or a cult if you do not feel a bit superior and have a sense of contempt for competitors? As long as you don’t act on the prejudices, indulge fantasies as you please.

However we also do understand that there is a smaller but much more powerful component of Islam that is not merely prejudiced against competing belief systems. They seek to express their prejudices with suppression and intimidation. And they have the means and wherewithal to carry out their threats.

The lovely novels of Sir Walter Scott with the noble Saladin and the wise Muslims much more tolerant that the Crusaders in Palestine are a cherished childhood memory. In today’s world, Islam is to a very determined minority of Muslims a pretext for cultural and political war.

It is not the wise Sultan Saladin that animates modern Islam. Modern Islam might be viewed by the Jeralyn Merritt’s as a peace loving religion, but in many cases that is simply not the case. How you view Muslims – as a helpless Anne Frank cowering from fear, or – as the Nazi troops hunting for the innocents hiding in the attic will determine you views on the Mosque of Doom as well as Koran book burnings and the political dynamics of the world today.

It is not the wise Sultan Saladin that animates modern Islam. It is oftentimes, state sponsors of terrorism and at the heart of the worse impulses of Islam today is Wahhabism:

“For more than two centuries, Wahhabism has been Saudi Arabia’s dominant faith. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don’t practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism’s rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism’s explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Islamabad to Culver City, California.”

As that PBS Frontline broadcast noted, Wahhabism is the dominant faith in Saudi Arabia. With vast wealth Wahhabism has been transplanted around the world. It is indeed, contrary to what Barack Obama says, a religion that destroyed the World Trade Center and murdered thousands of Americans of all religions. From PBS:

“If you go to school in Saudi Arabia, what do you learn about people who are not followers of Wahhabi, of the prophet?

The religious curriculum in Saudi Arabia teaches you that people are basically two sides: Salafis [Wahhabis], who are the winners, the chosen ones, who will go to heaven, and the rest. The rest are Muslims and Christians and Jews and others.

It is not only Christians and Jews who are targets, other Muslims are targets too. That is a key point which should be understood by those on both sides of the current divide.

More from PBS:

“They are either kafirs, who are deniers of God, or mushrak, putting gods next to God, or enervators, that’s the lightest one. The enervators of religion who are they call the Sunni Muslims who … for instance, celebrate Prophet Mohammed’s birthday, and do some stuff that is not accepted by Salafis.

And all of these people are not accepted by Salafi as Muslims. As I said, “claimant to Islam.” And all of these people are supposed to be hated, to be persecuted, even killed. And we have several clergy — not one Salafi clergy — who have said that against the Shi’a and against the other Muslims. And they have done it in Algeria, in Afghanistan. This is the same ideology. They just have the same opportunity. They did it in Algeria and Afghanistan, and now New York. …

What do you mean, it reached New York?

Well, when it was a local problem, the American media did not really care much about it. But until September 11, you saw how this faith of hate, I call it, did to all of us, to New Yorkers and to the rest of the world, honestly. …

But the Saudi government has condemned what happened on September 11….

… Yes, Prince Nayif condemned bin Laden, and other princes… Prince Turki condemned bin Laden. They did not condemn that message. They condemned bin Laden. … Bin Laden learned this in Saudi Arabia. He didn’t learn it in the moon. That message that Bin Laden received, it still is taught in Saudi Arabia. And if bin Laden dies, and this policy or curriculum stays, we will have other bin Ladens.

Can you show me an example of what the [religious teaching is in the schools?

Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it’s not true, as a Muslim:

The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, ‘Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.’ Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that.” This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia.

In middle schools…

In middle schools, yes. Official middle schools. This is a book printed by Saudi government Ministry of Education.”

This is the face of political Islam which is what Americans rightly are suspicious of. In the PBS special we are told by “an anthropologist specializing in Saudi society”:

“Probably there would be a relation between an interpretation of Islam that lacks tolerance, and is a more narrow vision of the world. But particularly the problem is about the political systems that promote this type of interpretation of religion. This gives people the excuse, the platform, to go ahead and express themselves in Islamic language to suit their purpose of political ends.”

It is this political Islam which is a threat. It is a threat which has coercive state power. It is a threat which intimidates with the aim to suppress, conquer, and dominate. It is a threat which actually is a threat because it has the means to carry out its aims and goals.

The pastor who proved to be a publicity genius by declaring “International Burn The Koran Day” has no such coercive power, no wealth, no means or opportunity to carry out anything like a threat. With his Hulk Hogan handlebar mustache there is a clownish aspect to the entire enterprise.

The Hulk Hogan pastor is a publicity genius (by the way, he apparently hates Jews too) and now he will be imitated by many others. But neither he nor they have the power to do this:

“After defeating their rivals in Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah movement, Muslim extremists are focusing their attacks on Christians in Gaza City. Christians in Gaza City have issued an appeal to the international community and a plea for protection against the increased attacks by Muslim extremists.

Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza’s Latin church, told the AP that Muslims have ransacked, burned and looted a school and convent that are part of the Gaza Strip’s small Romany Catholic community. He told the AP that crosses were broken, damage was done to a statue of Jesus, and at the Rosary Sister School and nearby convent, prayer books were burned. [snip]

Father Musalam additionally told The Jerusalem Post that the Muslim gunmen used rocket-propeled grenades (RPGs) to blow through the doors of the church and school, before burning Bibles and destroying every cross they could get their hands on.

Catholic Online reports that the heads of Christian churches in the Holy Land have urged both sides to put aside their weapons, noting that the infighting diverted international attention from the national goal of Palestinian independence.

Imagine that – Fatah Palestinian Muslims burn Bibles and attack Christians and the response of the Christian churches is a plea to stop this behavior because it might hurt “Palestinian independence”. No wonder so many Americans get upset and oppose the Mosque of Doom at ground zero – because they see this as another in a long line of appeasements. Over the years there have been many Muslim attacks on other Americans but no suppression of Muslims – yet it is Americans who are accused as a political tactic of being intolerant. Does anyone remember Kosovo and who saved the Muslims there?

If your perception of the Muslim community in America and the world as frightened kittens shivering in a cold rain then your world view will demand that you shout for building of the Mosque of Doom and reject the “appeasement” label. You will have to ignore that it is this same “reconciliation” Mosque of Doom which has broken nine years of peace, of few, if any, expressions of hostility towards Muslims in America. The same Mosque of Doom that has “an army of cops” in New York City streets today to block fighting from the gesture of “reconciliation” of Imam Rauf.

If you see the American Muslim community, thus far prospering in thousands of mosques across the land in every part of the country, as doe-eyed victims of evil Christian suppression then you invoke Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson, Mitt Romney, Franklin Graham, and the rest of the right wing. But this is a fake invocation because all of these people have condemned the Koran book burning. Sarah Palin spoke wisely and without a hint of fake:

“Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.

Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?”

That Golden Rule Palin cites, for those who invoke Glenn Beck and Nazis, is “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. And an argument can be made that a corollary to that rule, though at first blush it appears contradictory, is “an eye for an eye“.

Those who whine and wish to protect ‘oppressed Muslims in America’ should not be so hasty to attack other religions when their priests go astray with young children or in other matters. It reeks of a fake, hypocritical complaint. It is also laughable how many atheists find themselves talking about respect for “sacred” texts. Fake. Fake outrage.

We did not participate in “Draw Mohammed Day”. We explained why that day. We additionally noted that Muslims are protected from insults and jokes but that Jews and Christians, and Krishna and Buddha may be mocked with impunity.

We do not think books should be burned as a political statement. As we wrote then, “we believe the religious beliefs of people should be respected and not mocked.” But our tolerance is tested when it comes to organizations such as the Westboro Baptist Church. We certainly do not find our lungs filled with the air of respect for the Westboro Baptist Church. We can only marvel in advance at the atheists and Left Talkers and other who will undoubtedly show as much respect and tolerance for Westboro as they display towards the “sacred” Koran. Of course hypocrites like Merritt will demand respect for Islam but label as “hate-mongers” those she disagrees with.

While our tolerance and respect for organizations such as Westboro, the Hulk Hogan pastor and his flock, and Muslims like Rauf is extremely limited, we do fully respect their invocation of Constitutional protection. The majestic cloak of the U.S. Constitution should not be restricted to those Jeralyn Merritt chooses to bless.

We’ve had a lot of fake since the clown prince of fake faked his way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. The Imam of the Mosque of Doom says he wants to build the Mosque of Doom for “reconciliation. But when his “offering” is rejected defenders of the Mosque of Doom say it is not really a Mosque, it is a “community center”. But then the fake reconciliation Imam declares if his Mosque of Doom is rejected, as with the Danish cartoon crisis – “They will attack”.

Today even the burning of the Koran is a fake. Barack Obama fakes his way through a Pentagon speech and blames a “sorry band of men” not the organized attack by Muslim men who have declared war on us, whether we accept that war as reality or not.

Nine years ago today, in an almost cinematic fake beauty of a day, reality asserted itself. There was no fake. The Dimocratic Left fakes might have forgotten what happened nine years ago today.


Perhaps some need to be reminded of what happened and that it was not Christian and Jews who murdered in lower Manhattan and in Washington D.C. and in a field in Pennsylvania.
Perhaps some need to be forced to witness, forced to look at, what reality is – before the Obama Age of Fake.



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349 thoughts on “A Koran Bar-B-Que And A Mosque Of Doom In The Age Of Fake

  1. I get the feeling that Obama’s speech today is not going to help his polling one little bit, in fact it may piss them off even more.

  2. This might be a dumb question
    but would the passage of an era amendment essentially deny any and all chance of sharia law?

  3. upwithpalin
    has not posted for over any hour. Break time? Or is it to hard to figure out how to post under different names

  4. moononpluto
    Bambi or the people behind bambi have an army of individuals who are paid to do nothing but yell racism or islamophobia on sites that represented even a hint of no bambi. Sorry for them they have been exhausted.

  5. admin,

    I have never been one to shy from admitting my mistakes. I posted the clip on Kristallnacht last night because book burning does have a very deep meaning for me. As well, the burning of the U.S. and Israeli flags as well as the Christian bible and the Torah have always upset me.

    Since last night, I have read posting here and your article above, as well as done some research on my own. The Koran may just be the exception to the rule for me.

    Brilliant article, admin. Thank you.

  6. JanH, there are so few instances of book burning that it is understandable that the Nazi era conflagrations are the first to come to mind even if there is little resemblance between the two other than books are being burned. It’s like equating a backyard “get rid of the trash in the basement” burning of old books and other trash with Nazi book burning rallies.

    The second most famous example of of that type of burnings were anti-Beatles era burnings of recordings by various radio disc jockeys. Other than that there really aren’t many iconic images of book burning that come to mind. There is the scene from the Jake Gyllenhaal film The Day After Tomorrow with books burned as heating material in the New York public library but other than that not much else.

    Our point is that book burning is well within the First Amendment and it is infuriating that someone who identifies as a “progressive” member of the defense bar sought any legal or illegal pretense to suppress the free speech rights of the Koran book burner. She is someone who if the government tried to prevent a flag burning would yell “fascism” or something similar.

  7. If We Don’t Build It, They Will Kill You?

    http://blogs.forbes.com/claudiarosett/2010/09/10/if-we-dont-build-it-they-will-kill-you/?boxes=opinionschannellatest

    As for the message Rauf’s words might impart to the many Americans who oppose his project, his warning doesn’t sound like bridge-building. It sounds like blackmail.

    ……..

    Instead of warning Americans to toe his line or brace for something “very, very, very dangerous,” Rauf could quite as easily have devoted his air time to backing down and issuing a public call for tolerance from that same Muslim world.

  8. Reconciliation:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/man_burns_koran_pages_near_ground_8s6OKcRfcnZ0Ztz9y07ZoL

    Thousands of rowdy protestors with dueling agendas converged on Lower Manhattan today, using the spotlight of 9/11 as a showcase for the Ground Zero mosque debate.

    No arrests have been reported as of mid-afternoon.

    Those who claimed to be in favor of freedom of speech and freedom of religion initially appeared to outnumber those who came to decry the building the proposed mosque on Park Place, about two blocks north of the World Trade Center site.

    Scores of people rallied in favor of the mosque, with a crowd 15 to 20 deep listening to speakers including former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark before marching from City Hall to the Federal Building on Worth Street in an orderly fashion, with a heavy police presence on hand.

    They were noisy, but not violent.

    Beating drums and ringing bells, the crowd chanted: “Bigots go home.”

    The demonstrators also carried signs reading: “Tea Party Bigots funded by Corporate $” and “Our Grief is No excuse for bigotry and racism.”

    Nearby, several hundred anti-mosque protestors conducted their own rally, angrily confronting a New Jersey man who tried to argue with those in the crowd who held signs reading: “No Obama’s mosque.”

    “Obama has been a Christian his entire life,” Matthew Paternoster, 25, of Freehold, said. “I came here to show my support for freedom of religion. If you don’t like it, change the Constitution.”

    About 25-30 people really didn’t like it — or him.

    “Would you build a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor?” one asked. Others jeered and shouted.

    “That would be different,” Paternoster retorted, adding that Islam “is a religion of peace. Imam Rauf is a very moderate Muslim.”

    In another earlier display, a solitary, wild card protestor walked up to the intersection of Murray and Church streets and started tearing out the pages of a green Koran he was holding, eventually burning a few of the pages.

    The man said nothing as he was escorted to safety by the police and left the scene via the Path Train. He later told The Post his protest was about freedom of speech.

    “People have the right to build that mosque,” the bizarrely calm man said, refusing to identify himself. “They own that property. I wanted to show that I have the right to free speech. Rights are a two way street.”

    The fiery political statement recalled the condemnations of Florida Pastor Terry Jones, who for days said he planned to burn the Koran on 9/11 but today recanted that.

    Earlier in the day, a firefighter, in full uniform, was livid, getting into a shouting match with pro-mosque demonstrators.

    “They are giving them a platform on the same block I’m being excluded from walking down the street in an FDNY uniform,” he said, refusing to give his name.

    A retired firefighter lieutenant from Brooklyn’s Engine 226 angrily flipped the bird to a pro-mosque demonstrator wearing a Mao cap. He was there on 9/11, in the North Tower, he said.

    “I don’t care if they build a mosque, but I don’t want to hear their Islamic prayers wafting over the grave site,” he fumed.

    Some of the would-be protesters mistakenly fell for stereotypes. On Church Street, Kamal, a dark-skinned Muslim born in Guyana and now living in Queens, drew jeers and cat-calls for his clothing: an all-white long robe and white skull cap.

    “Islam is a religion of hate,” screamed one woman at him.

    “Shut up!” barked others.

    Yet Kamal’s message is anti-Muslim.

    “The Koran is not a holy book,” he said, carrying a copy of the American constitution. “Muhammad was not a prophet.”

    The irony wasn’t lost on some anti-mosque people who responded to cat-callers that Kamal was on their side.

    Then there was pony-tailed man in his 60s, sporting a shirt that exhorted: “Let’s all come together and unite.”

    Yet his sign carried a decidedly anti-mosque message: “Christ turned the other cheek; Muhammad Never Did; He Beheaded Instead.”

    A group of young Mennonite girls were gathered around singing Christian songs, outfitted in 19th century long dresses and bonnets. Yet they insisted their business was strictly spiritual — and business.

    Annette Mast, 18, of Beloit, Wis., traveled with group of people based in Russell, Mass., and demurred that she has no opinion on the Ground Zero mosque — “I don’t know enough about it to say one way or the other.”

    She said showing up near the protest site was a good way to “sing about Jesus and pass out some CDs.”

  9. Can’t wait for Obama to step into this one. This should clue a few Jews as to how to vote:

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/10/los-angeles-launches-nations-first-israel-divestment-campaign/

    On Wednesday, September 8th, at a noon press conference in Los Angeles in front of the Israeli Consulate, the California Israel Divestment Campaign, a culturally diverse group of compassionate Americans announced the launch of California ballot initiative 10-0020 to require public employee systems to divest from certain business activities in Israel. In its first official announcement, the California Israel Divestment Campaign (IDC) delivered the following explanation:

    “Although California has adopted policies requiring divestment from Sudan, Iran and other nations, this is the first ballot measure in the nation aimed at changing Israeli policies through divestment by State agencies. It directs California’s large public employee and teacher pension funds to be consistent with their responsible investing policies and to divest from companies that violate the human rights of Palestinians.

    The description provided by the office of the Attorney General when it approved the measure for circulation says that the initiative “prohibits state retirement funds from investing in companies engaged in certain business activities in Israel.”

    According to Chris Yatooma, the official proponent of the initiative, “Our government has done nothing to end Israel’s brutal occupation and violation of internationally recognized human rights, UN Resolutions and the Geneva Conventions.” In fact, as campaign organizer Yael Korin, notes, “our tax dollars now help fund these violations of human rights to the tune of more than $3 billion a year in grants, adding up to a staggering $106 billion over the past five decades.”

    “California retirement funds have their own disturbing record,” said local campaign organizer Sherna Gluck, a member of the Public Employee Retirement System (PERS). “Our public retirement systems have more than $1.5 billion invested in at least eight companies that provide war materials and services used in violation of internationally recognized human rights, including support for the illegal Israeli settlements and the “Separation Wall.”

    For over four decades, since the 1967 Six Day War, propagandized as a victorious miracle on par with David v. Goliath, Americans have ingested a distorted media diet of Israelis portrayed as victims and Palestinians portrayed as villains. But with the launch of domestic and international outlets for independent journalism and new media, the truth is now accessible. More and more Americans have come to realize that Israelis are the oppressors and Palestinians are the oppressed. In addition, more and more Americans are learning that the relationship between the United States and Israel is not really in America’s best interests – a previously untenable concept.

  10. admin: Outstanding article…I enjoyed the whole thought provoking essay…Thankyou!

    shorttermer: I had never seen that video before yesterday…it was an beautiful tribute.

  11. admin: 5:54
    The more you give the more they want…this is just sickening…here we come right wingers. I am for the first time in my entire life embarrassed that I was ever a liberal.

  12. I just wonder who America has been borrowing money from? Perhaps we are wrong it was the Chinese….maybe it was Saudi??? I just hate being threaten by this Rauf.

  13. EPIC FAILURE

    US poverty on track to post record gain in 2009 (the Obama economy)

    WASHINGTON – The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama’s watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.

    Census figures for 2009 — the recession-ravaged first year of the Democrat’s presidency — are to be released in the coming week, and demographers expect grim findings.

    It’s unfortunate timing for Obama and his party just seven weeks before important elections when control of Congress is at stake. The anticipated poverty rate increase — from 13.2 percent to about 15 percent — would be another blow to Democrats struggling to persuade voters to keep them in power.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_bi_ge/us_poverty_in_america

    …..hopeless change.

  14. It is hardly surprising that Ramsey Clark would show up for this lovefest. He was Attorney General in the Johnson Administration, and his father before him sat on the Supreme Court and could never seem to get his opinions straight. Harry Truman appointed Tom and when he was asked about it he opined: “Tom Clark is a nice guy–but he is a stupid son of a bitch”. Well that stupid son of a bitch gave the commencement speech at my graduation, and the best thing I can say about it was it was unintelligible. If it had been intelligible I am sure that whatever he said would have pissed me off. But compared to his bleeding heart son, who he said was his inspiration, Tom was Mensa material.

    Tom Sowell reminds draws and interesting comparison between Ramsey Clark and Neville Chamberlain. As Ramsey famously opined healthy rational people will not injure others. It is the failure of society that causes crime and criminals are simply the victim of circumstances. Nearly a century earlier, Neville Chamberlain expounded the same theory and blamed war on subjective factors as fears, suspicions and misunderstandings, and therefore put great weight on personal contacts as a way of minimizing those factors.

    Chamberlain, like Obama, set himself up as an arbiter of adversaries. He espoused a theory of “impartiality and keeping a balance between the two sides”. He referred to Japans invasion of China (including the rape of Nanking) as “this unhappy conflict” and when the Nazis invaded the Sudetenland he condemned “extremists on both side”. He was and is Obama’s spiritual godfather and lacked the ability to differentiate good from evil or the courage to deal with it. As a result adversaries took advantage of him until they were finally stopped 20 million deaths later.

  15. just saw this on another blog ……………ROFLMAO…satire.

    DATELINE; Lausanne, Switzerland; Friday, September 10, 2010:

    The IOC ruled that American Olympic skier Lindsey Vonn has had to forfeit her Olympic Gold

    The International Olympic Committee announced today that it has taken back the gold medal previously awarded to American skier Lindsey Vonn and given it to U.S. President Barack Obama (who gladly accepts any award).

    Olympic officials said Obama deserved the medal more than Vonn because no one has ever gone downhill faster than he has.

  16. Tim, thank you for the comment on that last thread. Diwali (or Deepavali as we southerners call it) is indeed a festival of lights. It is like the 4th of July here but every residence can do their own small scale fireworks in their yards and on the street. People are generally careful that there are no fires. It is on Nov 5th this year (they follow the lunar calendar, so these festivals occur on different days year to year.) In fact I was born on that festival day. 🙂 Today’s festival was another biggie — it was the elephant God’s (Ganesha) birthday. Indians have innumerable Gods and Goddesses there, so no one God trumps another or no such thing as my God is better than your God, just take all the Gods with you so you’re well covered. Diversity is built into their DNA and as one commenter on another blog put it, you can’t be angry or upset all the time about your everyday neighbors for being different and that includes Muslim neighbors. America more than Europe is like that and will get better if everybody (including all the new immigrants of different religions) takes the secular aspect of the constitution seriously.

  17. shorttermer,

    That is a beautiful tribute to the victims of 9 11. And the fact that the company did not want to benefit from it makes it even more special.

  18. pm317
    September 11th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Yes. As I mentioned my wife and I had Indian American neighbors for many years. After they moved, we keep in touch and consider them our friends. And yes, they are Hindus indeed. In fact, they were telling me their kids when they were in India went to a catholic school. From what I have learned from them about Hinduism, it is a very very tolerant religion and very inclusive of christianity, even though the Lords are different, the foundations of morality are the same.
    These people are some of the most patriotic Americans I know.

    I am always amazed to find how grateful and proud naturalized Americans are.

    I did ask them about this Ground Zero Victory Mosque and they are absolutely against this nonsense. They think its an absolute insult to everyone who was killed and their families that still suffer today.
    LOL, when I asked them about this, they first reply was, you don’t see any temples wanting to be built there, do you?

    They used to be dems, but now they have left the party, they came here from India in the 70’s, at that time [I did not know this], India was socialized, and they came here to allow their kids to have a better future. It still stuns me, they uprooted everything just to start over here, their kids [I saw them grow up] were so disciplined to do well in school, no excuses.

    anyways, yes, I love Diwali, I was first hesitant to go because I am not hindu, and then my friends were so nice, they told me the history of diwali, and how to fight against evil is a common cause across all religions.

    I loved the food!! my wife as well, my favorite was a fried pastry filled with potatoes and peas and there was this dark brown sauce with it. It was absolutely delicious.

  19. Neville Chamberlain,

    Just hearing this man’s name makes me furious. His actions could have stopped the war from even beginning. So many lives could have been saved.

  20. ABM92,

    Instead of changing a name, what used to work is to log off and then open a whole new account with the new name.

    Bless you!

  21. Another defining moment for our beloved big media brought to you by Hot Air:

    Media outside pastor’s home finally snaps: “You’re just using us! We should all leave!”

    In case you need another reason to hope he cancels tomorrow’s bonfire, here’s one more. If it happens, the news next week will be dominated by atrocities committed by barbarians; if it doesn’t happen, the news next week will be dominated by dopey navel-gazing media reflections on how gullible they’ve all been, which we’ll spend days gleefully mocking. The choice is clear.

    I’m not kidding when I tell you that, in four-plus years of blogging here, this is one of the most comically pathetic stories I’ve posted. To set the stage, the church said earlier today that they wanted a promise from Feisal Rauf within two hours that the Ground Zero mosque would be moved. The two hours came and went with no promise, and then the church spokesmen came out and announced … nothing. They didn’t know their next move yet.

    And it was then, my friends, that our tired, bedraggled, drama-starved press finally lost it.

    “Are you just toying with us to get attention?” asked a sweaty woman in a suit, crouching near the hot grass to keep out of the shot of multiple cameras over her head…

    “Why did you give this two-hour window?” came a shout from another side of the scrum.

    “So will you say you’re going to burn a Koran anytime you want press coverage?” snapped a reporter with a German accent…

    “You’re just using us! We should all leave!” someone yelled from deep in the media pack.

    Silence – for a moment. “Yeah! Let’s all leave!”

    Jones’s response: “Fine, we’re not press hungry, go!”

    But no one moved, until Jones turned and shuffled back to the church.

    They can’t quit now, baby, not when this story’s building to … something. It’d be like walking out of the circus before they bring out the bearded lady. All we know for sure at the moment: Nothing’s going to happen tomorrow. Oh, and we also know, according to Jones’s own daughter, that he “needs help.” So there you go. You’re now up to speed on The Biggest Story In The World.

    In case you’re wondering what next week’s hysterical clusterfark will be, the AP has a sneak preview — and it involves atheists. Let the battle lines be drawn. Exit question: Which network has done the least to hype this moronic story over the past week? Guess.

  22. The Indians are definitely a loving people and I hope you all remember during the primary, Hillary was made fun of by the Obama Muslim mob about her Indian connections. I forget what they called it. Now as we learn how close Obama is to the Muslims we can see why Hillary was made fun of. Muslims and Indians have been fighting like forever. Pakistan vs. India. There is a world of difference between the two nations.

  23. Confloyd,

    Where are you? Here’s something I think you might find interesting. 😉

    In Muslim culture it is not permissible to wear a wedding ring under any circumstances.

  24. Yay!, Moononpluto..

    Tim, lot of Indians, top notch doctors and engineers came to America in the 60s – 80s in search of (intellectual) opportunity. They were looking for mental challenge and not necessarily livelihood and subsistence, because most of these people were very well educated and came from upper middle class families. We came in the late 80s in search of opportunity for me, as a woman to do bigger and better things (not that I have done much of that, :)). Most of us have assimilated well here but we generally have one foot here and one foot there. I am in my 40s and I recently met an older couple in their 70s in a doctor’s office. It was a joy to see them. The woman spoke chaste English and seemed well adjusted to this place through her attire and demeanor. They came to this country in the 50s, he armed with a PhD and starting work at NIH.

  25. confloyd,

    People shouldn’t blame the current mainstream Catholics for what the church did or said in the past, or what some extremist Catholics may do now — or find gotchas in their documents and try to condemn the whole ‘Catholic religion.’ We should consider today’s moderate ‘silent majority’ — in Catholicism and Islam and all other religions.

  26. PM317, i did the whole wedding thing earlier this year, i love it, puts western weddings to shame. The protocol and preciseness is fabulous and we had a blast.

    We are thinking seriously of moving to India soon.

  27. I’ve been watching the images and stories of 9-11 all day, and also Admins great post and videos of Sept. 11th. I live on the West Coast, but I am thrown back into the sorrow I felt 9 years ago.

    May those that suffered, died and their families find peace. We are with you in spirit.

    RIP

  28. I’m only 2000 miles from NY. Are you sure that’s far enough away from ‘Ground Zero’?

    —–

    Answer:YES.

    =================

    Glad to hear you draw the line somewhere. What about Kansas?

    What’s the minimum distance that would satisfy your faction?

  29. Here’s a possible fact buried in the snarky wording of the Forbes article:

    “On Thursday, real estate magnate Donald Trump offered to buy out the Burlington site, in cash, for 25% above what Rauf’s developers paid, provided they build their mosque at least five blocks from Ground Zero”

    So — is five blocks enough? Really?

  30. A man ripped pages from a Koran and lit them aflame at a protest near the proposed site of a community center and mosque near Ground Zero on Saturday.

    “If they can burn American flags, I can burn the Koran,” shouted the unidentified man. “America should never be afraid to give their opinion.”

    The man was led away by police but did not appear to be arrested.

    The display – apparently prompted by Florida Pastor Terry Jones’ plan to burn the holy books – occurred as families who lost loved ones during the attacks commemorated the ninth anniversary at Ground Zero.

    Hours earlier, Jones told NBC’s “Today” that he would not burn Korans and instead wanted to meet with the imam from Park51.

    Official demonstrations – sponsored by the Tea Party Patriots and Stop Islamization of America – were slated to start following the Ground Zero ceremony. But protestors on both sides of the controversy arrived mid-morning.

    Many held American flags and signs reading “Honor the Fallen. Honor Our Freedoms.”

    “Muslim and democracy are irreconcilable,” said Lance Corey, 61, a retired history teacher from the Bronx. “I have a problem with fundamentalists.”

    “Muhammad is very intolerant. There’s a dark side to Islam. I cannot tolerate intolerance,” he said.

    Counter protestors also filled the streets near Ground Zero to stand up for the Park51 project.

    “This is our country too. We are as much a victim as everyone else,” said Mosad Almontaser, 55, of Brooklyn Heights. The school teacher said he moved to the U.S. 40 years ago from Yemen.

    “It’s very hurtful that a couple of nuts ruined how people see us. We have nothing to do with 9/11,” he said.

    In Kabul, more than 10,000 Afghans set fire to tires in the streets and shouted “Death to America” for a second day in a row, also prompted by Jones’ calls to burn the Islamic holy book.
    ———————–
    you should read the comments…its horrid…what they say about us white Christians/whites/Americans

  31. turndown, I really wasn’t going to answer your last comment, but it really isn’t any of your business if I’ve not gone to church. BTW, the reason I can’t go to Mass anymore is because it causes me to miss my mother as we went together and even though she passed almost 6 years ago, it is still a raw emotion for me. My Mom was a very dedicated Catholic as well as a dedicated yellow dog democrat….I just wonder what she would be saying today….

  32. basil9, That’s interesting about the ring…seems like he’s reverting back to Islam to me doesn’t or at the very least obey in laws during Ramadan, what do you think??If you watch him closely you can see alot.

  33. btw, where the hell are Gillibrand or Schumer? I didn’t see them anywhere. I cannot believe I used to respect both these losers at one point!

  34. “You’re just using us! We should all leave!” someone yelled from deep in the media pack.

    Silence – for a moment. “Yeah! Let’s all leave!”

    Jones’s response: “Fine, we’re not press hungry, go!”

    But no one moved, until Jones turned and shuffled back to the church.

    They can’t quit now, baby, not when this story’s building to … something.
    ——————————-
    Is there any difference between our beloved big media and a pack of hyenas? No. In that case, it would appear that Reverend Jones is simply the divine instrument which God used to prove to big media what they really are. Amen.

  35. tim
    if I am not mistaken paypal has no minimum for transactions.
    I was prepared to do lots of volunteer work for Toomey this week but it looks like I am only facing about an hour. the night is early.

  36. Hillary’s right hand woman, Huma Abedin, is a muslim who married a jew. I really don’t think Hillary shares this narrow view of muslims. Not. At. All.

  37. Confloyd, so happy you are embarrassed to have ever been a liberal. I hope when the next Republican president is giving permanent tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans, privatizing the federal government, and phasing out your Medicare and Social Security, you’ll become embarrassed to have embraced such an incompetent, corrupt, know nothing Party that impeached Bill Clinton, but I’m not holding my breath.

  38. Sometime in 1999, a construction electrician received a new work assignment from his union. The man, Sinclair Hejazi Abdus-Salaam, was told to report to 2 World Trade Center, the southern of the twin towers.

    In the union locker room on the 51st floor, Mr. Abdus-Salaam went through a construction worker’s version of due diligence. In the case of an emergency in the building, he asked his foreman and crew, where was he supposed to reassemble? The answer was the corner of Broadway and Vesey.

    Over the next few days, noticing some fellow Muslims on the job, Mr. Abdus-Salaam voiced an equally essential question: “So where do you pray at?” And so he learned about the Muslim prayer room on the 17th floor of the south tower.

    He went there regularly in the months to come, first doing the ablution known as wudu in a washroom fitted for cleansing hands, face and feet, and then facing toward Mecca to intone the salat prayer.

    On any given day, Mr. Abdus-Salaam’s companions in the prayer room might include financial analysts, carpenters, receptionists, secretaries and ironworkers. There were American natives, immigrants who had earned citizenship, visitors conducting international business — the whole Muslim spectrum of nationality and race.

    Leaping down the stairs on Sept. 11, 2001, when he had been installing ceiling speakers for a reinsurance company on the 49th floor, Mr. Abdus-Salaam had a brief, panicked thought. He didn’t see any of the Muslims he recognized from the prayer room. Where were they? Had they managed to evacuate?

    He staggered out to the gathering place at Broadway and Vesey. From that corner, he watched the south tower collapse, to be followed soon by the north one. Somewhere in the smoking, burning mountain of rubble lay whatever remained of the prayer room, and also of some of the Muslims who had used it.

    Given the vitriolic opposition now to the proposal to build a Muslim community center two blocks from ground zero, one might say something else has been destroyed: the realization that Muslim people and the Muslim religion were part of the life of the World Trade Center.

    Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim center dishonors the victims of the Islamic extremists who flew two jets into the towers. Yet not only were Muslims peacefully worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi Yousef, their religious observance generated no opposition

    “We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone interview from Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a foothold there. You’d walk into the elevator in the morning and say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and five more guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ”

    One of those men in suits could have been Zafar Sareshwala, a financial executive for the Parsoli Corporation, who went to the prayer room while on business trips from his London office. He was introduced to it, he recently recalled, by a Manhattan investment banker who happened to be Jewish.

    “It was so freeing and so calm,” Mr. Sareshwala, 47, said in a phone conversation from Mumbai, where he is now based. “It had the feel of a real mosque. And the best part is that you are in the epicenter of capitalism — New York City, the World Trade Center — and you had this island of spiritualism. I don’t think you could have that combination anywhere in the world.”

    How, when and by whom the prayer room was begun remains unclear. Interviews this week with historians and building executives of the trade center came up empty. Many of the Port Authority’s leasing records were destroyed in the towers’ collapse. The imams of several Manhattan mosques whose members sometimes went to the prayer room knew nothing of its origins.

    Yet the room’s existence is etched in the memories of participants like Mr. Abdus-Salaam and Mr. Sareshwala. Prof. John L. Esposito of Georgetown University, an expert in Islamic studies, briefly mentions the prayer room in his recent book “The Future of Islam.”

    Moreover, the prayer room was not the only example of Muslim religious practice in or near the trade center. About three dozen Muslim staff members of Windows on the World, the restaurant atop the north tower, used a stairwell between the 106th and 107th floors for their daily prayers.

    Without enough time to walk to the closest mosque — Masjid Manhattan on Warren Street, about four blocks away — the waiters, chefs, banquet managers and others would lay a tablecloth atop the concrete landing in the stairwell and flatten cardboard boxes from food deliveries to serve as prayer mats.

    During Ramadan, the Muslim employees brought their favorite foods from home, and at the end of the daylight fast shared their iftar meal in the restaurant’s employee cafeteria.

    “Iftar was my best memory,” said Sekou Siby, 45, a chef originally from the Ivory Coast. “It was really special.”

    Such memories have been overtaken, though, by others. Mr. Siby’s cousin and roommate, a chef named Abdoul-Karim Traoré, died at Windows on the World on Sept. 11, as did at least one other Muslim staff member, a banquet server named Shabir Ahmed from Bangladesh.

    Fekkak Mamdouh, an immigrant from Morocco who was head waiter, attended a worship service just weeks after the attacks that honored the estimated 60 Muslims who died. Far from being viewed as objectionable, the service was conducted with formal support from city, state and federal authorities, who arranged for buses to transport imams and mourners to Warren Street.

    There, within sight of the ruins, they chanted salat al-Ghaib, the funeral prayer when there is not an intact corpse.

    “It is a shame, shame, shame,” Mr. Mamdouh, 49, said of the Park51 dispute. “Sometimes I wake up and think, this is not what I came to America for. I came here to build this country together. People are using this issue for their own agenda. It’s designed to keep the hate going.”

  39. Yeah, we need a contstitutional amendment to bar changing our laws to sharia law, because obviously that’s where we are headed. We ought to just round up all the muslims, burn their Korans, and put them in interment camps, even the American muslims. What right do they have to practice their faith, be offended when people burn their religious books, or build community centers? They are practically nonhuman. There awful. They are the worst. They are not anything like real people. And, this isn’s hyperbole. It’s just a fact. They are witches.

  40. mj, whether you like it or not Obama is most certainly going to let the republicans mess with Social Security, taxes and the whole lot. As a matter of fact I don’t like either party…they both work for the same folks.

  41. mj, I guess you missed the part where said there are many nice muslims and that I’ve worked with some. Huma is definitely one of them, but isn’t she half Indian???

  42. mj, BTW, I’m Catholic and my religion is constantly being criticized for things it did in the 1500’s for heaven’s sake.

  43. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Oh, I see. If a muslim is half Indian, then maybe they are ok. Is that the 50% rule? But muslims with no Indian heritage are scum. And, as Jan said, even half-Indian Huma’s Koran, is probably the one religious tome worth burning.

  44. mj, OK, we will see who Obama really is after the republicans take over in November…will he fight them or will he give them everything they want??? Will the Liberals still glorify this man or will they speak against him.
    I don’t particularly like the way some liberals treat the Jews…that is my main gripe…and of coarse this appeasement to the muslims overseas…not the American ones that love this country as much as I do. There really is a difference.

  45. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Gee, I though Catholics were being criticized for what a number of their preists did recently. Is it just the 1500’s, now?

  46. No one is advocating burning anything, what we are trying to say its their constitutional right to do so and men and women have given their life for that right. The muslims or anyone else should not stop that to appease anyone.

  47. mj, are you telling me that your Imam’s are perfect in the eyes of God/Allah?? Are you telling me that protestant ministers are perfect in the eyes of the Lord??? There are just as many pedifiles in every religion, but the Catholic church is the ones that gets sued over it and it makes national news.

  48. Priests, Imams, Ministers….are all just plain men…the sin as much as you or I do…I don’t see them any other way.

  49. Gee, I though Catholics were being criticized for what a number of their preists did recently.
    *******
    Such as:

    ‘No Belgian church escaped sex abuse’, finds investigation
    Child sex abuse by clergy or church workers has taken place in every Roman Catholic congregation in Belgium, according to an independent commission investigating paedophilia allegations.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/7994705/No-Belgian-church-escaped-sex-abuse-finds-investigation.html

  50. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    I don’t particularly like the way most of the world treats the jews. I don’t like the way the Right acts as though they are invested in Israel for the sake of the jewish people, when they are fair weather friends indeed, believing that jews are protecting Irael for the end of days when they will either see the light and convert or parish. I don’t like the way much of Europe, occassionally even government officials, have often displayed open antisemitism. The jews are the most persecuted people in history.

    I don’t think that’s an excuse for endorsing other elements of bigotry.

  51. Gee, I though Catholics were being criticized for what a number of their preists did recently.
    *******
    Such as:

    ‘No Belgian church escaped sex abuse’, finds investigation
    Child sex abuse by clergy or church workers has taken place in every Roman Catholic congregation in Belgium, according to an independent commission investigating paedophilia allegations.
    ___________________

    Is this necessary? Can’t you carry on a conversation without attacking people. We don’t need you to define the good and the bad of our church for us. We can discern right and wrong without your nonsense.

  52. turndownobama I tried your method of registering a new name and it was rejected as invalid.I am just keeping up with life as I experience it.Thanks.

  53. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Yeah, and??? It’s other peoples constitutional right to voice their opnion that it shouldn;t be done. That’s free speech too. Contrary to admin, Jaryln doesn’t speak for the Left. She’s one hypocritical person. I saw many posts by many liberals, saying yes, this is disheartening, but it is his constitutional right.

  54. andyp
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:59 pm ‘

    Then don’t read my comments. I don’t feel what some Catholic preists have done to children, means all Catholics are pedophiles. That’s my point.

  55. mj, You are right, the right is lying about being for the Jews, some are, but the country is being turned against the Jews in favor of money…they see money in the Arab street and they are turning.

    The hatred of the Jews is on both sides of the Political spectrum. I was taught to respect the Jews as a child. Here in Texas, there weren’t any Muslims that I knew nor my parents so they were never discussed. The knowledge I have of Muslims came on Sept. 11th and the little that I learned for working with and for them.

    I do know we can’t appease the fundamentalists and expect to get anywhere and the Muslims here in this country that love this country should realize that.
    Its not a matter of not wanting the Mosque here for the good America loving Muslims, its the way the fundamentalist will assume it will mean and it won’t bring peace!

  56. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Of course not. That’s the point. You shouldn’t paint all muslims(even those with no Indian heritage) with the same broadbrush.

  57. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    But what you are suggesting is acting in such a way to assure mulsim extremist don’t think they have won. I think that is living from a position of fear. I agree with your position on the jewish people.

  58. mj, I don’t see how you say that is living in a position of fear.
    I read your long post about the muslims working in the trade center and some even prayed in the stairwell, my point is you can pray anywhere. If its going to upset people who lost loved ones, why would you want it there…that is my point.
    If you really follow what Jesus teaches, you wouldn’t want to bring that grief upon your fellow citizen. You would turn your cheek and move it down the road where it can be blessed by God…

  59. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    You can not please all the people all the time. Muslims lost loved ones on 9/11 too, as pointed out by the article.

  60. I don’t feel what some Catholic preists have done to children…
    *********
    Ready access to children attracts pedophiles no mater what the vocation….the crime is the cover up, the knowing transfer of the pedophiles from parish to parish etc. That is what will buy those people a ticket to hell. I have had enough exposure to abused children to have utter contempt for the perpetrators and their enablers. In the US, the southern Baptist may have a worse record.

    http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

  61. SHV,
    You are exactly right…I have to admit the latest revelations are horrible…all I can say in defense of my church is that the devil is alive and well and prowls this earth like a mighty beast.
    I haven’t been keeping up with it because I am not a practicing Catholic at this point, but as we march closer to the end, more and more we will see churches being taken over by these sorts of abominations.
    I know I work in the emergency room and have seen horrid things done to children and for that matter women too, anyone that weak and defenseless.

  62. mj, There is such a thing as public safety…sometimes you have to offend a few for the overall safety of millions. I am sorry for the muslims that died also and of coarse its not their fault, but you have to think of the overall safety of the population.

    I know an Arab Dr….a very kind man who took care of my Mom while she was dying. He flies back and for to Lebonnon twice a month to see his wife and children. Not too long ago he was detained for several hours at Bush intercontinental airport mainly because he’s a young male arab. He isn’t a muslim, he a Christian…he was very late to work and you know he never complained….not once he came in and started taking care of his patients. He knew America now has to be careful not only to protect the Christians, Jews, Athiests, Agnostics, but the Muslim too. Had we been deligent before 9/11 those Muslim’s that died wouldn’t of. How would we be assured that a fundamentalist Imam wouldn’t come in after a few years?? Did we know this teacher at Columbia was preaching hate before 9/11…NO…we had no way of knowing.

  63. Admin: it is truly remarkable how accurate your assessment of Obama has been. It is almost uncanny. From the very beginning, you understood the personality we are dealing with, and have been able to predict with certainty what he would do every step of the way. You have done the homework on him, but there is also an element of intuition at works. It is as if he is forced by the law of attraction to follow your script, or else you know him better than he knows himself. There are people in the research section of the CIA who are pretty good at this sort of thing. If they are good–and I mean really good then they can get inside the head of an enemy leader and predict as you do what his likely moves will be. These people are great patriots, but their contributions are appreciated only by the few. But even these intelligence experts do not have the batting average that you do which is why I say you are remarkable. It is a pleasure to read your posts, and I hope for the sake of our country the movers and shakers do as well.

  64. American Muslims I guess can’t see that we have uncovered radicalized Imam’s right here in this country preaching hate. If we really want this Cordova House as a testament to time that Christians and Muslims worked together in peace and love…why not appease the people who lost the most lives in 9-11?
    BTW, I know there passages in the Bible about the Cordova house / time…could you give the chapter and verse, I can’t remember what someone said where it was?

  65. mj,

    You are angry at me for my comment about burning the Koran and that is perfectly understandable.

    I am talking about the incendiary contents of the book that call for the death of others. I am not lumping all Moslems together. I have a number of good friends who are peaceful Moslems and I respect them for it.

    And you are right about Hillary although I can’t speak for her. Then again, she probably separates the good apples from the bad.

    In other words, all races have extremists among them. Nothing is all black and white. But the Koran is something separate.

  66. Jan, I appreciate your comments. I do think we can seperate the good apples from the bad. That’s why I don’t believe in the broad brush approach.

  67. Mrs Smith

    MSNBC is replaying the actual footage taken when the attach happened in the same time frame 9 yrs ago..
    ——————
    turndownobama says:
    September 11th, 2010 at 10:23 am

    I suppose MSNBC has the legal right to replay these inflammatory tapes, but I question their wisdom in doing so.
    ………………………..
    moononpluto says:
    September 11th, 2010 at 10:45 am

    WTF…thats history as it happened, what is your problem. Why the hell should they not show them?
    ________________________

    Thanks, moononpluto for answering turndown’s ill thought out response to my post exactly the way I would have had I been around today.
    ____________________________
    confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Mrs. Smith,
    I agree, no mosque!
    _____________________________________

    confloyd,

    I have the feeling if these yahoos go ahead and attempt construction of a mosque at GZ, it will be leveled before it reaches the 2nd story every time they try building it.
    ________________________________

    crazy horse

    September 11th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Turndownobama……Showing footage is inflammatory?? To who exactly?? This is history. This happened. I recently watched ‘The Pacific’. It had lots of live footage. Did I hate the Japanese after watching this series? No, and I don’t hate Muslims because of 9/11. However, I will never forget.
    __________________

    Thankfully, some of us get it… If you had a chance to listen to the rebroadcast as it happened, live, in real time as the events were unfolding… you were witnessing history in the making. The complete innocence of the people calling in to nbc with their reportage never expecting this was an actual terrorist attack. Never thinking of the peril lying in wait as the towers hadn’t collapsed yet.. about to bring the full force of terror to the people running to the towers offering their assistance in any way possible. I was unable to watch anymore of the NBC’s original tapes. Pending obligations needed me elsewhere. Thanks all for expressing my thoughts at the time of my writing. Couldn’t have said it any better…

    Oh, and for the record- I also loved the little dog that wouldn’t take a treat from Obama.. I think from here on in… I’m going to call him by his Muslim name… Hussein. He needs to take ownership of his Muslim heritage. Never mind masquerading as a Christian. There’s nothing Christian about “Hussein”, NOTHING!.

  68. Wbboei, as we have mentioned tangentially several times over the years, we saw Obama up close in 2004 at the Four Seasons Hotel during the Democratic convention. It did not take long to size him up as he is very transparent. His desperate longing looks (before and after the speech) at the very wealthy, the extremely powerful, and well known celebrities is something we can’t forget. His dismissal of people who were not recognizable as wealthy or celebrities also left an strong impression. We saw how he interacted with people.

    In 2004 when Obama gave his “electrifying speech” at the convention we thought he was nuts. We excused the crowd reaction of cheers because after all it was a convention and cheerleading is to be expected. But in conversations while Obama was speechifying – let us say we were not impressed and those in our group were shocked at how “shit*y” his speech was. Still we gave him the benefit of the doubt over the years.

    We knew he was up to no good by the people he hired early on. Still we gave him the benefit of the doubt. Even during early 2007 we hoped we were wrong, but all the evidence pointed in another direction. Once we stopped fighting the evidence and accepted what our gut and brains were telling us it became very easy to know what he was about and what he was up to. That’s why on the website we immediately hit on the areas of concern to us which have proved to be exactly where his weaknesses have been more fully exposed.

    We’ve learned to follow the evidence and not to doubt what the “gut” says. If the brain and the “gut” are fighting each other in assessing someone – go with the gut. If what you wish differs from what the evidence shows you, go with the evidence. It’s wise to be aware of the dangers of “pride” and “prejudice” but gut instincts should be respected.

  69. mj,

    I think the difference is when people denegrate my religion, I don’t take it personally, whereas muslim’s do. I can separate myself as a person from my religion because religion is not what I believe in…I believe in God…not the church. I know as a believer that the church will be attacked by the devil so I don’t put my trust in the religion, I put it in the promises of God. I think that is the problem with muslims…their religion is them, its like they have no outside personality but religion. Maybe some don’t, but the ones overseas in Afganistan do and its maybe their economics, as our American Idol Potus says about the middle class. When the jobs dried up they clinged to their religion, God and guns. I guess that is what the Muslims overseas do??

  70. ‘Inflammatory’ does not mean ‘fictitious’. An upsetting true picture is all the more inflammatory.

    in·flam·ma·to·ry   [in-flam-uh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    tending to arouse anger, hostility, passion, etc.: inflammatory speeches.

    Origin:
    1725–35; < L inflammāt ( us ) ( see inflammation) + -ory1

    —Synonyms
    1. fiery, incendiary, provocative.

  71. Admin: Here again that was some more useful info about Obama. I did not know you were sizing him up even in 04′. WOW! I am so glad to get to hear/read your points of view.

  72. Why don’t the American Muslim call out the bad apples more??? If they are doing it, the media sure isn’t telling us about it.

  73. mj said:
    I don’t see the safety concern.

    turndown says:
    Perhaps Confloyd thinks this is a danger:

    “How would we be assured that a fundamentalist Imam wouldn’t come in after a few years?? Did we know this teacher at Columbia was preaching hate before 9/11…NO…we had no way of knowing.”

    However, actually we would have quite a good way of knowing what was being preached at a 15-story community center open to the public. And moving the 15-story building (hey, how far is enough?) wouldn’t change that, would it?

  74. I am talking about the incendiary contents of the book that call for the death of others.

    ===============

    I know that most Jews and most Christians ignore the incendiary contents of the ‘Old Testament’ — just as most Muslims ignore the bad parts of the Koran.

  75. Jan H,
    Have you ever read the book, Peace by Piece?? Its about what children of the halocost went thru and it is a true story of how on young Jewish boy who was just a baby and was delivered at one of the concentration camps…it will bring tears to your eyes. A horrible story if I’ve ever read one. This young jew was brought up thinking he was German and just after the war was won and the hell he went thru because people thought he was a German. He was over 50 years old before he found out he was Jewish.

  76. turndown, The Old Testament has past when Jesus came. the Old Testament is considered just a historical part of the Bible. Christians are to go by the New Testament.

  77. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Nope. It’s open to the public. That was the entire point of the community center. They have an entire floor devoted to meditation fo people of any faith.

  78. basil,

    How long does it take you to walk a city block in Manhattan? Simple qustion. Is 1 minute about right?

    I never walked much there. Of course it would be faster by the boarded up Burlington Coat Factory, than by the strip joint and betting parlors.

  79. I know what inflammatory means turndown. I felt great sorrow today. I don’t want to burn a koran or kill a muslim. You just don’t get it, do you?

  80. Oh sure, we do! We actually use the Old Testament to see the whole plan God has in store for us, which you might miss if you only read the New Testament.
    What I meant was that we are to live by the New Testament, inotherwards, we don’t sacrifice lambs for our sins anymore because Jesus was crucified for our sins, that’s why they call him the “the Lamb of God”. We don’t go by the old eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth anymore.
    That’s what is meant by that.

  81. mj
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:09 am

    turndownobama
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Lol…I get the feeling Siberia would be too close for some people.

    ==============

    That’s the wierd thing. All these people saying ‘move it’, ‘not so close’ — and the only figure I’ve seen is attributed to Trump: “five blocks from WTC”.

    I expect that if they agree on a new location 5 blocks away, the same critics would jump up and say it’s still “Near Ground Zero” or redefine ‘Ground Zero’ to cover that location too. For many of the anti’s, I don’t think the actual distance means anything — it’s just an excuse to bash ‘Islam.’

    I’d like to see Rauf say “Okay, we’ll move it as soon as ALL of you agree in writing as to where you will allow us to have it.” I bet the anti’s would still be arguing among themselves by the time the Port Authority ever gets anything built in the real ‘Ground Zero.’

  82. mj,
    Actually I was listening to a Fareek Zacharia on CNN the other day and he had what I will call a modern Muslim and a fundamental Muslim on. I thought the conversations were interesting in that the modern actually called out some of the passages in the Koran not relevent in this day and age.
    We Christians did that many moons ago…so there’s an awaking coming to the Muslims and I think that might be here in America that happens. What do you think??

  83. Turndown, You know American Indians don’t let people built on their burial grounds, by would we want to let them build there. I think they shouldn’t build the towers back either…I think it should be a burial ground much like the Oklahoma site.

  84. Christians are to go by the New Testament.

    ==============

    That’s how most Christians ignore the violent commands. I’m sure most Jews have a good way to ignore them also — as most Muslims ignore the violent things in the Koran.

  85. The mosque issue is a New York issue and I think the relatives of the loved ones that were killed should be the only ones to vote whether they have it or not…that way money and politics aren’t in the decision.

  86. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    Well, as far as I know, this is still a free country and private property is still private property, thus no one has a vote.

  87. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:27 am

    For the love of God, it is NOT at ground zero. It’s NEAR ground zero. Along with the pussycat lounge.

  88. mj, yes it is, Jesus came in peace. That is actually part of the Catholic Mass. New Testament got away from all that violence. Still it existed though but we’ve evolved.

  89. mj, Why do you suppose there is so much disinformation out there about the mosque?? I did not know it was going to be open to the public for the exception of women, right???

  90. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Look, obviously, there are some huge enternal problems in the muslim world, in the middle east and Africa. And, in the US muslims have yet to fully assimilate. But assuming the worst of even an Imama the State Department has sent abroad to have such a dialouge doesn’t make sense to me at all. But, you know, not all Christians are on the same page in this country either. For example, Seventh day adventist and evangelicals take every word of the bible literally, and many sects of both think Catholics and other Christians involved in what they deem “organized religion” are cults. So we christians are not always on the same page, and we have extremists amongst us.

  91. Still catching up! O/T stuff:

    Some things we cannot change- Like wbb has 3 extra hours everyday because he is a west coaster and I am on the east coast. I would love having 3 xtra hrs everyday…:roll:

    Speaking of wbb- amid the chaos and pandemonium happening this week, a belated Happy Birthday… sorry for the delay- 🙁

    Congrats, moononpluto. You are still a newlywed… Indian women are beautiful. They love and look beautiful wearing vibrant colors in their native dress. Best wishes for a long and happy marriage.

  92. mj, hey, your preaching to choir here. I remember Waco, Jim Jones and the rest of the nuts…

    Like I said if you base your belief in a religion, your suseptible to the evil one and he exits in all religions…even the muslim religion. We aren’t going to change that fact no matter where this mosque finally gets built…but its a matter of the feelings of those that lost loved ones, not my feelings but theirs.

    I blame the news media for blowing this out of proportion and our timid-in-chief for not standing up and telling everyone to shut the hell up. I have never seen a President so totally balless as this one. Heck, he probably sleeps with a night light on!

  93. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    I see nothing on the Park51 website to suggest women will be excluded. Indeed, they plan to include chilcare services, which suggests they will not exclude women.

  94. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Yes, the media jumped on a non-issue, as did the President. But, this guy has an actual mosque 12 blocks from the trade center site. I don’t see any reason he can’t build a community center 2 1/2 blocks from it. I don’t think it is insensitive to anyone.

  95. Mrs. Smith,
    I will be 60 in eleven days….yuk and I feel every single hour of those sixty tonight….I managed to get a headache…where have you been?

  96. I personally think they’ve done this to keep the multitudes mad and irritable and ready to riot…the political establishment has something up their sleeves or they would not be feeding the fires like they are!

    Goodnight all, I just got off!

  97. I have been doing the rounds on many blogs where people in the middle comment. It will be a bloodbath for the Dems this November. There is a silent majority watching all the coldhearted liberal fuckers and it won’t be pretty come November.

  98. Thank you admin. I have been thinking about the connection between the “followers of Wahhabi”, the Saudi royal family and the uniquely American notion of “I want my piece of the pie”.

    It is in the Saudi’s interest to teach the thousands of peasants in Saudi Arabia to hate Americans, lest they start to demand their piece of the pie (especially if they got wind of Alaska where oil revenues are shared with all citizens). In the end the peasants over there aren’t much different then our obamabots: whipped to a frenzy paid journolisters or bribed imams, they more closely resemble a school of minnows then thinking people.

    On 9/11, after I watched the first tower come down, I tried to hold the second tower up with force of mind. When it fell my heart broke and I thought “they did it” and walked away. The mosque of doom has me standing right there again. Will I end up hanging my head and saying “they did it” or will we win this one?

  99. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:52 am

    I personally think they’ve done this to keep the multitudes mad and irritable and ready to riot…the political establishment has something up their sleeves or they would not be feeding the fires like they are!

    I AGREE. ONE THING THEY’RE HIDING FROM THE 911 FAMILIES IS THAT A BILL TO HELP THE SURVIVING FIREFIGHTERS WAS VOTED DOWN IN CONGRESS IN AUGUST.

    confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:30 am

    The mosque issue is a New York issue and I think the relatives of the loved ones that were killed should be the only ones to vote whether they have it or not…that way money and politics aren’t in the decision.

    AS MJ SAID, THEY OWN THE LAND AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL APPROVED IT, SO NO VOTE IS NEEDED. HOWEVER WE COULD LISTEN TO THE MANHATTAN RESIDENTS — THEY FAVORED THE PROJECT, ONLY C. 31% BEING OPPOSED.

  100. pm317 You’re right. This lifetime democrat will be voting R this November. When they stick it to you it’s in the front not the back.

  101. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090904735_pf.html

    While President Obama has recently declared America’s combat role in Iraq over, he glossed over the likelihood that tens of thousands of U.S. troops will have to remain there, possibly for several years to come, because Iraq lacks the military capability to protect itself against external (read: Iranian) aggression. The ultimate irony is that Hussein, to keep his neighbors in check, allowed them and the rest of the world to believe that he might have weapons of mass destruction. He thereby brought about his own destruction, as well as the need now for U.S. forces to fill the void that he and his menacing presence once provided.

    As for the 100,000 U.S. troops in or headed for Afghanistan, many of them will be there for years to come, too — not because of America’s commitment to a functioning democracy there; even less because of what would happen to Afghan girls and women if the Taliban were to regain control. The reason is nuclear weapons. Pakistan has an arsenal of 60 to 100 nuclear warheads. Were any of those to fall into the hands of al-Qaeda’s fundamentalist allies in Pakistan, there is no telling what the consequences might be.

    Again, this dilemma is partly of our own making. America’s war on terrorism is widely perceived throughout Pakistan as a war on Islam.

  102. turndown,
    Of coarse its our fault those fanatics knocked our buildings….oh my….how could it be their fault….they are blameless in this whole thing. Of coarse they could blame the Jews which I understand they now say it was an inside job and the Jews were the ones knocking those buildings down.

    mj,
    You said this Iman has a mosque 12 blocks from Ground Zero…my question is why does he need another one?

    In that article you posted why did the Muslim think it was so grand to be able to pray in a mosque in the heart of financial district in New York….did he mean he was actually praying in the belly of the beast when he said that???

  103. turndown….Us fanatical Christians want the 9-11 families to vote on the mosque…I could care less about the neighborhood.

  104. “It was so freeing and so calm,” Mr. Sareshwala, 47, said in a phone conversation from Mumbai, where he is now based. “It had the feel of a real mosque. And the best part is that you are in the epicenter of capitalism — New York City, the World Trade Center — and you had this island of spiritualism. I don’t think you could have that combination anywhere in the world.
    ——————————-

    That sounds like the “belly of the beast” to me kind of statement!

  105. Has there been an objective poll of the 911 families? Last I heard, some supported the community center and some were against it.

    Imo polls need to distinguish people who really personally hate the idea — from people who personally don’t care or would favor it, but want to consider the feelings of those others who do hate it.

  106. This supposed community center/mosque is going to have a pool in it….muslims aren’t going to let woman and men swim together are they??? I did see a muslim’s women’s bathsuit the other day….WOW! It was something! If I was a muslim woman, in the summer I’d stay home in the air conditioning…all those black clothes in the heat….I bet they get some pretty bad rashes?? I also would try to stay skinny, being fat, wearing all that black in the summer…I’d say they had some rashes that would be pretty painful.

  107. confloyd,

    Here is a picture of Daisy Kahn, Rauf’s wife. She does not wear heavy black or a scarf. She wears a comfortable loose dress that is not unusual.

    Her project is to ‘modernize’ Islam for the US, by getting other women to stop wearing scarfs etc.

    I think they plan two pools, one for men and one for women, with ordinary US swim-wear.

    http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-JL257_mosque_Q_20100802200136.jpg

    Serious point: Daisy does not wear burqa or veil/headscarf. Her point is to modernize Islam — to adapt “a new vision of Islam that is culturally American.” That is what she means by ‘advancement of Islam’ — modernization of Islam.

  108. confloyd,

    Don’t pay any attention to mj. She/he knows two Muslims, so she’s an authority on Islam. Or maybe I’m being too much like her/him in that I might be confusing opinion with fact or vice versa.

    Funny how she has a shit fit if something negative is said about Islam, but she jumped at the chance to attack your Catholic faith. She also had to throw that dig in at fundamentalist because she is a beacon of tolerance.

  109. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 2:17 am
    =======================================

    I don’t remember where I read the following, but a Muslim commented on the mosques already located in the vicinity of the WTC grounds, and he/she mentioned that they are sparsely attended.

  110. Obama’s electoral coalition is crumbling (voters find him “disappointing)

    Nearly two years ago, the political world could only marvel at the breadth of voter support for Barack Obama.

    The new president had won over voters once thought to have abandoned his party for good. He’d found new reservoirs of support among groups many thought were tapped out.

    He energized a coalition — made up of blacks, women, Latinos, young voters and large numbers of suburbanites — that some believed would keep Democrats in power for years to come.

    A scant 20 months later, the Obama coalition is frayed and frazzled.

    A majority of those who voted for Obama still approve of the job he is doing. But that number is eroding.

    Surprisingly, support for the president among Latinos, young people and women has dropped as much as it has among groups that were considered less likely to stick with the president, such as white males, according to an analysis by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

    Support among suburbanites has dropped dramatically too, surveys show, while African American voters remain Obama’s most loyal constituency and his fiercest defenders.

    [Snip]

    … dozens of interviews with Obama voters across five swing areas show that the warning signals are blinking for the president’s party.

    Obama voters evince little interest in the midterm election. When they express goodwill toward the president, it rarely extends to his allies in Congress. Many do not consider themselves Democrats.

    Pew’s survey experts routinely ask respondents to characterize the president in a single word. In their most recent poll, conducted this summer, more respondents than ever answered with the word “disappointing.”

    snip

    And some suggested they were simply hoodwinked by a smooth-talking politician.

    “What I’ve come to the realization is that the president was an absolutely fantastic campaigner. He was a perfect preacher-slash-minister-slash-professor,” said Peter Gallo, a concert promoter in Raleigh, N.C. “He doesn’t have the skill to legislate, to build coalitions. He does not have the skill to bring people in and say, ‘Come on and let’s get this done.'”

    Gallo’s words — in various ways — were echoed in Fairfax County, Va., outside Washington; in northern Nevada; in greater Philadelphia; in the suburbs of Ohio; and in a college town in southern Virginia.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-coalition-20100912,0,599112,full.story

    …………………….

    The cookie is crumbling like its been dunked in hot coffee.

  111. Admin’s article was excellent, as if he/she was in my head, writing my own thoughts, but in a manner much better than I could do myself. The admin hit every point on this issue, and I think I agreed with every single one of them.

  112. Blatant lies lies lies from Obama…they knew damn well but chose to lie, they kept saying costs would come down……..this ought to be good for another 10 to 20 ouse seats down the crapper.

    Obama: We knew health costs would go up

    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/118079-obama-we-knew-health-costs-would-go-up

    President Obama on Friday defended the Democrats’ healthcare law, saying the enormous expansion of insurance coverage made an increase in healthcare spending inevitable.

    “As a consequence of us getting 30 million additional people healthcare, at the margins that’s going to increase our costs – we knew that,” the president told reporters during a White House press conference.

    “We didn’t think that we were going to cover 30 million people for free.”

  113. moononpluto
    September 12th, 2010 at 3:39 am
    ••••••••••••••

    This “single word” for me would not be “disappointment”, but “failure”.

  114. crazy horse
    September 12th, 2010 at 1:53 am
    ==============================

    Me, too, crazy horse! I don’t even feel bad about it. I’m for total destruction. I want every last stinking Demonrat to lose, even if the handful of good ones lose, too. As the Demonrats supporters of Obama are taking it on the chin for his failures, these other Democrats will have to take it on the chin for the good of America. I have nothing against them, but it needs to happen.

  115. I read this on Hillbuzz this morning. Has anyone heard of this or read this book? Could it be that Islam is trying to undermine America? Betcha it’s true…

    Thomas Hooker Says:

    September 11, 2010 at 8:35 pm
    Today I heard someone recommend the book “Muslim Mafia.” Here is a portion of the promotion:

    quote
    This is what “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America” by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry delivers.

    It has all the elements of a top-flight mystery novel, but the situations and conversations are absolutely real. The book’s frightening allegations are well supported by more than twelve thousand pages of confidential, internal CAIR documents secretly extracted during an unprecedented undercover operation.

    This trail of information reveals the insidious and well-funded efforts of the seditious Muslim Brotherhood under the nonprofit guise of CAIR to fully support the international jihad against the United States, with the goal of transforming American society from within. They hope to accomplish this through terrorist activities, fraud, and infiltration of our political and intelligence systems, which these documents clearly reveal.
    unquote

  116. ‘She is someone who if the government tried to prevent a flag burning would yell “fascism” or something similar.’

    We came very close to a Constitutional Amendment to ban flag burning. Harry Reid voted for the ban. So did Dianne Feinstein. The ban failed in the Senate by I think a single vote short of supermajority for amendments. Amazingly, that one vote against the flag burning ban came from Bob Bennett, conservative from Utah who bucked the Amendment sponsor Orrin Hatch.

    To cover himself against a conservative backlash, Bennett supported a statute with a limited ban (no flag burning on govt property or as an act of intimidation). Hillary backed Bennett up on the flag burning statute, knowing that if Bennett lost his seat, the full constitutional ban would pass.

    The freaks on Daily Kos went beserk, screaming ‘Hillary supports a flag-burning ban!’, oblivious to how close the Senate came to amending the Constitution, ignoring reality that they owed their precious right to burn the American flag to a Utah Republican who Hillary was trying to protect. As we know, Bennett was eventually driven out of the Senate.

    That was an early sign I saw that these left talk types were just a bunch of lying freaks detached from reality. This Jeralyn weirdo doesn’t realize she’s making the case for profiling Muslims. The only way to legally distinguish Koran-burning from flag-burning (or a Nazi parade thru a Jewish neighborhood) is to show that Muslims are more prone to violent reactions. She wants that in a Supreme Court precedent?

    This Imam also doesn’t get it. By playing the terror card to get his stupid Mosque, he deepens and spreads hatred of Muslims. This moron is going to end up getting his people interned.

  117. Is Obama trying to lose the election as he hands opponents another bat to beat him with

    Obama backs off strict crime policy

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42004.html

    For years, it was one of the GOP’s most potent political epithets – labeling a Democrat “soft on crime.”

    But the Obama White House has taken the first steps in decades to move away from a strict lock-‘em-up mentality on crime – easing sentences for crack cocaine possession, launching a top-to-bottom review of sentencing policies and even sounding open to reviewing guidelines that call for lengthy prison terms for people convicted of child pornography offenses.

  118. I’d better record my prediction before it happens. Some sort of compromise that will let both sides declare victory (excuse the expression).

    Trump supports what Frum said: a white elephant piece/s of real estate that will end up sold to the highest bidder. Which in this case may be some of the anti-“mosque” people who decide to put their money where their mouth is and buy the property out from under Rauf. Then I supose they will fall apart arguing about how to use it. Another strip joint, that being fine in ‘hallowed ground’?

    I hope Rauf will get some sympathy donations for not-too-far-away plus maybe Paterson’s land offer. And a lot of sympathy statements to make it look less like a persecution.

  119. moononpluto
    September 12th, 2010 at 4:31 am

    In fairness to Obumbles (and please note, I am ABSOLUTELY NOT A FAN), I have to give him credit for this one. Sentencing guidelines for drug offenders are some of the most injust practices of this judicial system. A top to bottom review, ESPECIALLY of the sentencing guidelines governing drug usage related crimes, is long overdue.

    That said, knowing Obumbles, there is something behind this. There is no way of knowing what since, as the article stated, this was signed in secret and no questions were asked or statements made (YAAY transparency!!).

    So until I know what is IN the bill, I’m going to give the pres the benefit of the doubt…..

  120. turndownobama
    September 12th, 2010 at 3:49 am
    http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre67f4vy-us-usa-mosque/

    NEW YORK, Aug. 18, 2010 — Muslims in lower Manhattan who have prayed in a crowded basement or in the streets say they are not looking for confrontation with opponents of a new mosque. They simply need the space.
    _______________

    I’m sure there is plenty of space a few blocks away. No one questions their right to build, just their lack of sensitivity to those who still mourn the victims of 9/11.

  121. admin
    September 11th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
    Wbboei, as we have mentioned tangentially several times over the years, we saw Obama up close in 2004 at the Four Seasons Hotel during the Democratic convention. It did not take long to size him up as he is very transparent.

    I think your comment and observations is the crux of Obama and why everything has gone to hell so fast. He is a climber and a conman. The Democratic elite thought, most were absolutely convinced, they had a unbeatable front man that they could control. His earliest backers were from places where politics is blood sport like Chicago, Boston, and Wall Street. Coming from the halls of the Ivy League and the south side of Chicago, they thought they had a dirty pol who could be bought and cheaply. But they could not kill off Hillary easily. They had to reach into their bag of sh!t earlier, more often, and deeper just to drag his butt over the finish line. They had to spend more money, hype him incessantly in the press, and put the hammer down on any dissent. The repercussions are still playing out.

    The cost to get this marginal candidate elected to do their bidding was to split the party. They had to continue using thug tactics to get “his” landmark legislation, which the public did not want, shoved though Congress which further infuriated a party that was pissed off with his nomination. They wanted a candidate without a history so they would not have to explain it. But in doing so they got someone they really knew little about. And that includes he and his wife’s obsession with the trappings of wealth, their puzzling religious outbursts, and the dawning realization that neither of them is particularly bright irregardless of how much education they have.

    The Democratic elite bought a pig in a poke. Now they have to eat it because the rest of us won’t.

  122. This election seems to me to be a clean out of the grease trap. If the Democratic party does not clean out the promoters, enablers, and cowards who knuckled under to this crew, it is going to be a minority party for a long time. It will take more than one election cycle because they control who can run unopposed, who gets financing, etc. Pelosi and Reid need to go away. If they want to sit in Congress with no leadership role that is fine. But they are the face of a imploding party. The party committee hacks need to find other employment. Propaganda media need to find new careers writing fiction as they have already proven they can make stuff up on cue. The entire Obama phenomenon should result in the professional death of party leaders, elites, and elected officials who bought into the sham. They have proven that they are stupid or corrupt and knew what was going on and were OK with it. Those are the only two reasons for going along. Both indicate they have no business being in the leadership of a country in trouble.

  123. Mormaer
    September 12th, 2010 at 7:44 am
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    Precisely. You have summarized the situation in two short paragraphs better than I ever could.

  124. Grease ball Axelrod is on MEET THE PRESS. David Gregory sets up the questions so Axelrod can hit them and get his points across. You know it really is Bush’s fault and who would want to go back to those horrible times! According to Ax that’s the choice in the upcoming election…moving forward with Obama or going backward with the Republicans and Bush policies. Gregory and Axelrod “play” well together … guess it helps to be one the same team.

    Rudy G. is on MTP also.

  125. Mormaer
    September 12th, 2010 at 8:13 am
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    The party needs to be turned around alright. Probably the biggest factor is where the blacks decide to go. Conventional wisdom has it that they will stand by Obama come hell or high water. No chance they will look at what he is doing and say it is not in our interest to continue backing this fraud. So they will stand by him even as the rest of the country turns against him because he is incompetent, self serving and plays the race card from the bottom of the deck.

    I was at the Western Conference of Teamsters Convention in 1981 as a guest. My host was a wonderful guy who was former all American football player at the University of Washington, a Teamster leader and one of the best friends you could ever have. The President of the union who died before they could send him to reform school stood at the podium and delivered a fiery sermon that made no sense, but got the rank and file stirred up and stomping their feet.

    My friend turned to me and said “you would think that in an organization of our size we could come up with better leaders”. And that would have been true but for the fact that the leaders were not chosen by the rank and file but by the mafia families, at least in those days. The attitude of the rank and file however was he may be a son of a bitch but he is our son of a bitch and he will get us better contracts with employers so who cares. That attitude was particularly in evidence in the Teamster local at JFK.

    How does that relate to blacks in the Democratic Party? First of all, there have got to be a lot of them who have grave doubts about whether in the end Obama will do them more harm than good. This is what some of us had in mind when we said if we are to have our first black president let us at least be sure he is the right black president, meaning one who will do the country proud. In addition, they have to be uncomfortable now as they see one member of the CBC after another get caught with their hand in the cookie jar (or ice box as the case may be).

    Second, that there are such leaders in the black population I have no doubt. Take Tom Sowell for example, who happens to be my favorite intellectual, and a great guy. The man is brilliant and he sees clearly the danger in Obama. There are many more. Blacks are the backbone of our military, and increasingly the officer corp. These are men and women who have are focused on results, and have no tolerance for bullshit. They are the ones doing alot of the fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely they see the problem as clearly as we do, and probably even more so.

    Third, the question then is why do so many of them stand by him when he has failed to deliver for them, unless they happened to be his cronies. Yes, there is the historical factor, and the notion that it is a milestone. But beyond that, it gets back to our dearly beloved big media, and whom they choose to treat as the official spokesman for the black community. Given a choice between a responsible religious leader like Reverend Calvin Butts (who supported Hillary as I recall), and a four flusher like Reverend Al Sharpton, who does big media choose to be the spokesman for the black community? Dirty Al who made his bones in the sordid Tawana Brawley hoax where he engaged in the lowest form of race baiting. In the words of my friend there are better black leaders, but the media throw this asshole in our face.

    In sum, I think I agree with you that it will take time to win back the Democratic Party, if it can even be done. In the short term, meaning the next twenty years, the only hope is Hillary Clinton in 2012. Despite the way Obama blacks disparaged her and Bill and called them every vile name in the book, the Clintons have the proven ability to deliver for the black community, whereas with Obama they will get thrown under the bus. The recent announcement that the poverty level is rising to historic levels merely confirms what I am saying.

    For an old conservative like me it seems strange to say it but this is not a game of race but a game of class. Hell, if Fidel can admit that communism does not work then I suppose I can say tha there is such a thing as class warfare as Marx taught us. It is alive and well in big media. And that is why, in the words of Tom Sowell we should not listen to them.

  126. wbboei
    September 12th, 2010 at 8:26 am
    Precisely. You have summarized the situation in two short paragraphs better than I ever could.

    Thank you most kindly. Like Admin, I think my earliest observations and gut feelings about Obama were that he was mostly puffery, obnoxious, rude and egocentric. And lazy. Really, really lazy. I think that has been a driving factor in his life. He wants to slide though so to speak and when he cannot he gets angry (perhaps he was told as a child that he was lazy?). I think he was sliding through the Senate (remember he did not have a single hearing in the subcommittee chairmanship he was given). He prefers to schmooze and party. I have known several people who had expensive, exclusive, and selective professional educations (attorneys, physicians, a PhD chemist, service academy officers) who got out of it quickly, and almost to a person it was because they were simply lazy and these professions require very hard work. I think this may be one of the reasons he does not want his records released. He has simply done the minimum to get by from school, to being an attorney/community organizer, state rep to US Senator. With his education and some hard work he could have been a wealthy lawyer and then run for office. But he just keeps leaving jobs/positions before his laziness and screwing off catches up with him. He has always failed upward. It has now caught up with him and his excuses sound juvenile. This why employers check references and prior employers when hiring. The US electorate was not allowed to do so with Obama and it is turning out badly. Again people feel cheated.

  127. No matter whether the contoversey over the mosque is derved or not…I believe it is…..at this point the mosque must be moved and the opposition must prevail.

    At this point it is imperative to make the statement that American sensitivity to the huge American tragedy that happened on 9/11 trumps any individual groups’ desires.

    Personally, I would have liked to see the entire site as a memorial park…..a cemetary….but there was just too much $ at stake in Manhattan for that to happen I guess.

    Maybe you had to actually see the horror to feel this way….I don’t know…I can’t speak for others….only myself.

  128. Grease ball Axelrod is on MEET THE PRESS. David Gregory sets up the questions so Axelrod can hit them and get his points across. You know it really is Bush’s fault and who would want to go back to those horrible times! According to Ax that’s the choice in the upcoming election…moving forward with Obama or going backward with the Republicans and Bush policies. Gregory and Axelrod “play” well together … guess it helps to be one the same team.

    Rudy G. is on MTP also.
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    I am not watching but I do hope he calls the mad monk Gregory on this. He should kid him about it and say something like this. I feel like I am back in a court room. You treat grease as your witness and lead him along in direct examination with softball questions. But you treat me as an adverse witness and ask hostile questions. Some people may wonder why that is. But not me. You know where your bread is buttered–and so do I.

  129. So voting repub is going to make everything better?
    =============
    No, but it will put a crimp in the Obama agenda.

  130. Clinton seeks meeting with Lieberman after he cancels US trip

    Published: 09.12.10

    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman canceled his participation in a conference of democratic countries that will be held this week in the US. At the behest of the US administration, Lieberman will meet with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her visit to Israel.

    Lieberman’s office reported that he canceled his US trip “because of the negotiations with the Palestinians.” However, Foreign Ministry officials confirmed that he changed his plans because of Clinton’s request to meet in Israel.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3952680,00.html

  131. Carol
    September 12th, 2010 at 9:47 am
    No matter whether the contoversey over the mosque is derved or not…I believe it is…..at this point the mosque must be moved and the opposition must prevail.

    At this point it is imperative to make the statement that American sensitivity to the huge American tragedy that happened on 9/11 trumps any individual groups’ desires.

    Personally, I would have liked to see the entire site as a memorial park…..a cemetary….but there was just too much $ at stake in Manhattan for that to happen I guess.

    Maybe you had to actually see the horror to feel this way….I don’t know…I can’t speak for others….only myself.
    ________________

    I do think there should be one exception. The church that already existed on Ground Zero should be rebuilt. That group lost out big time.

  132. So voting repub is going to make everything better?

    Just wondering.
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    No. The best we can hope for now is to stop the bleeding. Over the longer term it depends on how effective the Tea Party is in reorienting the Republican Party, so ordinary people have a voice. But the larger issue is the inability of this economy to produce a sufficient number of jobs for structural reasons. And the more they tax and the more we borrow the worse for all concerned. We are locked in a vicious cycle with an idiot at the helm named Obama.

    Did you see where Bambi is replacing Rohmer with Goosbee–the left wing economist from the University of Chicago, who made a secret trip to Canada during the primary to reassure their government that Obama was lying when he said he would do what Hillary promised and re examine NAFTA to make sure it is working for middle class Americans. If you look at the man, you can see there is something in a name. He is young, pale as a ghost and he looks like a ghoul.

  133. Southern Born
    September 12th, 2010 at 10:02 am
    AndyP, we certainly hear very little about that Greek Church.
    ________________

    I think the powers that be believe that if it isn’t talked about, the issue will go away.

  134. This is why I like spiegel:

    “But what all (the politically correct elites in Germany who deplore anyone who deigns to question the merits of the Muslim religion) fail to see is that you cannot cast away the the anger of people who are sick and tired — after putting a long and arduous process of Enlightenment behind them — of being confronted with pre-Enlightenment elements that are returning to the center of our society. They are sick of being cursed or laughed at when they offer assistance with integration. And they are tired about reading about Islamist associations that have one degree of separation from terrorism, of honor killings, of death threats against cartoonists and filmmakers. They are horrified that “you Christian” has now become an insult on some school playgrounds. And they are angry that Western leaders are now being forced to fight for a woman in an Islamic country because she has been accused of adultery and is being threatened with stoning. Strangely enough, a good number of our fellow Turkish citizens are more outraged by Sarrazin’s book than they are about those things.”

    In your wildest dreams can you imagine NBC or CNN confronting our own elites in this manner and calling them to task for dismissing a public reaction which is rooted in history, economics, religion, philosophy etc. like this article does to the German bunde. Our big media does not speak for the American People.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716648,00.html

  135. wbboei
    September 12th, 2010 at 9:28 am
    In sum, I think I agree with you that it will take time to win back the Democratic Party, if it can even be done. In the short term, meaning the next twenty years, the only hope is Hillary Clinton in 2012. Despite the way Obama blacks disparaged her and Bill and called them every vile name in the book, the Clintons have the proven ability to deliver for the black community, whereas with Obama they will get thrown under the bus. The recent announcement that the poverty level is rising to historic levels merely confirms what I am saying.

    The Clinton’s ability to deliver for everyone, not just the black community, is what helping drive the polls downward and making open revolt in the Dem party more and more likely. Most blacks that I know also know that when times are good for everyone times are good for blacks. When times are bad for everyone times are worse for blacks. Part of the continuing defense of Obama by the constituencies who are still in his corner, is the fear that they will be essentially blacklisted by the Clintons. By behaving so abominably towards Bill and Hill, they set themselves up for it. But I think Hill and Bill will not punish entire groups. That is not their nature but individual miscreants will feel a lot of heat. Once groups understand this and acknowledge that their leadership screwed them, it will come full circle. The most horrifying statistic that I have come across recently is that in 2007 43% lived paycheck to paycheck. In 2008 it was 49% and in 2009 it hit 61%. This is beyond unacceptable and if the Dems do not understand this they will Nov 3rd. Jobs and economic security are the basis of the Dem party. If they do not catch on and switch gears in 2011 and 2012 they are the new Whigs and something else will take their place. The current leadership will try to hang on for power and money but it is evaporating into the ether, and Obama double crossing Congressmen with election financing and promises is probably the last straw. Politics is like evolution and they have to evolve or die out. Obama and Obamaism is like the some accident of nature that just didn’t work out.

  136. JanH…….I hope so. Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer are not options for me. So yes, I am voting for Fiorina and Whitman. Come 2012, unless Hillary Clinton is on the ticket I will vote R. The democratic party is taking this country down the rabbit hole. Voting R is the only way to put the brakes.

  137. so the Ground Zero Victory Mosque is just a community center, really?

    Well, the local YMCA I used to go to, there sure as hell weren’t seperate swimming pools. And that was a local community center. So this is now Shariah law will now be foisted upon the American people. Will gays be banned from using those swimming pools? or will there be a separate swimming pool for them as well?

  138. More from that Spiegel article in case you did not look at the link above:

    Simply Don’t Get It

    Debates about identity and cultural dominance are ubiquitous in an increasingly globalized world — in the United States just as in the United Kingdom, France, the Netherlands or Denmark. Such a debate doesn’t exclude cosmopolitanism in the slightest. It merely represents an insistence on maintaining traditions and values. Religion is one of them and it is not something that people will let go of lightly.

    These are the passages of Sarrazin’s book that I find most interesting. Those which melancholically reflect that Germans are not only demographically working towards their own demise, but also that they are bidding farewell to their cultural and educational background. Whoever calls that racist simply doesn’t get it.

    But ever since the Sarrazin case, it is clear that intimidation from the politically correct thought police of the media and the threats they issue of casting people out of society no longer work. By now the public has a highly developed instinct for fairness.

    The support Sarrazin has received demonstrates this. The Germans are learning. Maybe, one day, the country’s newsrooms will catch up with where British colleagues have long been — a place where debates can be conducted without blinders or language controls.

  139. So women get a seperate but “equal” facilities, men get a separate but “equal” facilities
    and of course Gays most likely won’t even be allowed to swim or enter at all.

    gee, now where have I seen and heard that before???

  140. Now, for a little Peace and Tranquility that the country is in safe hands IF intelligence and empathy having a plan take the wheel over from the failed state.

    As a side note- the Immigration problem we suppose is all about the Hispanic illegals, it really is about keeping the floodgates open for the Muslims entering the country. Has anyone ever heard of a Muslim strip search? I didn’t think so. Most likely the reason for the X-Ray machines?
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    Clinton Speech Offers Policy Overview

    By MARK LANDLER
    Published: September 8, 2010

    WASHINGTON — It was not quite as lofty as Madeleine K. Albright’s description of the United States as the world’s “indispensable nation,” but Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton came close to channeling her predecessor on Wednesday in declaring a “new American moment.”

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington on Wednesday.

    In a speech meant to showcase the successes of the Obama administration’s foreign policy, Mrs. Clinton emphatically reasserted the primacy of American power in a dangerous world. Whether it is American aid after the floods in Pakistan or American brokering of the recently revived Middle East peace negotiations, she said, “The world is counting on us.”

    “After years of war and uncertainty,” she said, “people are wondering what the future holds, at home and abroad. So let me say it clearly: The United States can, must, and will lead in this new century.”

    In an era of engagement and multilateralism, Mrs. Clinton’s speech at the Council on Foreign Relations was almost a throwback — an unalloyed statement of American might. It seemed intended to send a bracing message during a tough election season in the United States, with President Obama battling economic problems at home. But it also sent a strong message about Mrs. Clinton herself.

    Fourteen months ago, she stood before the same audience, her arm in a sling with a broken elbow, and spoke about the need for the United States to develop a “new mind-set about how America will use its power” — one based on partners and persuasion, rather than raw force.

    Today, as Mrs. Clinton prepares to plunge into Middle East peacemaking, the talk of partnerships and persuasion is still there, but her emphasis was far more on the need for American leadership. She even dipped her toe into domestic politics, if only to argue that the swelling federal debt, and the bitter debate about it on Capitol Hill, threatened America’s standing abroad.

    “It undermines our capacity to act in our own interests and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable,” she said, “It also sends a message of weakness internationally.”

    In the category of foreign policy achievements, Mrs. Clinton said the administration had put American relations with Russia on a new footing, deepened its dialogue with China and India, and masterminded a global response to Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

    On several of these, however, it may be premature to claim victory. Mrs. Clinton said, for example, that the United States had prodded the United Nations into passing its most robust sanctions ever against Iran, and that the Iranian government was starting to feel the heat.

    “Through classic shoe-leather diplomacy,” she said, “we’ve built a broad consensus that will welcome Iran back into the community of nations if it meets its obligations, and will likewise hold Iran accountable if it continues its defiance.”

    But two newly ambitious players, Brazil and Turkey, voted against the Security Council resolution, displeased that Washington brushed aside their effort to broker a diplomatic solution. It is also unclear how much sanctions have slowed Iran’s enrichment of uranium for nuclear fuel.

    Similarly, Mrs. Clinton said the United States had re-engaged with Asia and with the alphabet soup of economic and political organizations in that region. But none of that has prevented relations between the United States and China from fraying over exchange rates, North Korea and military issues.

    Success in foreign policy process, in other words, has not always translated into success in foreign policy substance.

    Given the sweeping nature of her remarks, Mrs. Clinton said surprisingly little about Afghanistan, where the United States is trying to extricate itself from a nine-year war, or about North Korea, where it is nervously watching Kim Jong-il’s apparent effort to turn power over to one of his sons.

    One indisputable success is Russia, where, as she noted, the White House signed an arms treaty that now goes to the Senate for ratification. Calling for a “détente” with Republicans on foreign policy, she said, some things “should just be beyond any kind of election or partisan calculation.”

    Mrs. Clinton also drew attention to Sudan, an often-overlooked foreign policy problem, saying that a referendum next January, in which southern Sudan is expected to vote to break away from the north, is a “ticking time bomb of enormous consequence.” The United States, she said, was trying to get both sides to confront the potential dangers.

    In another eye-catching statement, Mrs. Clinton compared Mexico’s rampant drug trafficking to an insurgency and said the drug cartels threatened to turn the country into Colombia 20 years ago, “where the narco-traffickers control certain parts of the country.”

    The last time Mrs. Clinton spoke to the Council on Foreign Relations, she was battling a perception that she had been marginalized. This time, the council’s president, Richard N. Haass, ribbed her over persistent Washington chatter that she may one day swap jobs with Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to bolster Mr. Obama’s chances of re-election (she smiled and ever so slightly shook her head).

    Next week, Mrs. Clinton will travel to Egypt and Israel to take part in the next round of talks between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas. Both leaders, she conceded, faced steep domestic hurdles to making a deal.

    Still, Mrs. Clinton said, prognosticators who write off the negotiations as an inevitable failure are wrong “because both sides and both leaders recognize there may not ever be another chance.”
    ___________________________

    At least these are Hillary’s own thoughts and plans. She is not advised by political tabloid journalists spouting their latest epiphany for selling pulp.

  141. Hillary hater John Bolton is thinking of throwing his hat in the ring.He must be delusional and has been denied his Beggin Strips and biscuits.Folks give him is dog-tags and free enrollment into the nearest kennel club and a seat beside Fido the wizzard of odd.
    Can anyone come up with ssome bumper stickers?

    “Draft Hillary” and impeach the leech’

    By ABM92

  142. Part of the continuing defense of Obama by the constituencies who are still in his corner, is the fear that they will be essentially blacklisted by the Clintons.
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    If that is the concern then they need to be reminded that when Bill was in trouble he turned to the black community for support. That was the moment of truth and it should be reassuring to those who fear reprisal. The truth is Hillary would be their strongest ally, whereas Obama is throwing them under the bus. The older members of the black community understand that I am sure. The younger ones are the problem. But again it is not a racial issue. The young whites suffer from the same delusion about Mr. Obama. I live near a university and the parking lots are still full of Obama bumper stickers. The most interesting thing however is the way Barack has done is gotten the leftists to betray their core values. His efforts on that front have been masterful on the one hand and downright funny on the other. He has left them twisting in the wind and they don’t even know it. They are such passionate arrogant in your face type of people, that I can only say bravo at least for that. And they know they cannot say no because that would be racist and politically incorrect.

  143. Over the past 3 years I have read two articles that give deep insight into Obama. The first was an article in the Times of Asia (Feb 2008), which talked to the influence of his anthropologist mother and other women in his life. The thesis was that she gave him his dissociation from society – treating it as a subject to be studied not lived.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

    The second is even more powerful. I found it this AM from a writer who traces Obama’s obsession with his father. The thesis is that his father was deeply in the anticolonialist mindset at the close of the British empire and that Obama is living out the dreams of a 1950’s Luo tribesman.

    I grew up in the UK in the anticolonialist period and the decades of angst and guilt that were poured on the UK. An attitude in the intelligentsia that even tried to pin Vietnam on us. So perhaps this is why this article rings true. For an American, however, the essence of late-20th century anticolonialism is that the US is the new colonial power (economically predatory and culturally invasive) and must itself be reduced.

    The final paragraph say it all:

    “Colonialism today is a dead issue. No one cares about it except the man in the White House. He is the last anticolonial. Emerging market economies such as China, India, Chile and Indonesia have solved the problem of backwardness; they are exploiting their labor advantage and growing much faster than the U.S. If America is going to remain on top, we have to compete in an increasingly tough environment.

    But instead of readying us for the challenge, our President is trapped in his father’s time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation’s agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father’s dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost.

    Dinesh D’Souza, the president of the King’s College in New York City, is the author of the forthcoming book The Roots of Obama’s Rage (Regnery Publishing).”

    To me this is a ‘must read’.

    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem_print.html

  144. 48% Give Obama Poor Marks on The Economy …..no surprise there.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/september_2010/48_give_obama_poor_marks_on_the_economy

    This past week, President Obama made a highly-publicized push on the economic front, including a proposed $50 billion jobs plan, tax credits for small businesses and a press conference to promote it all. But 48% of voters still say the president is doing a poor job when it comes to handling the economy, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

    Thirty-six percent (36%) rate the president’s performance on the economic front as good or excellent.

    These findings, taken early in the week, show little change in voter perceptions since early November of last year.

    But the latest results mark a drastic change from just after Obama’s inauguration. In late January 2009, 53% of voters gave the president positive ratings on his handling of the economy, while only 19% gave him poor marks.

    In late July, for the first time since Obama took office, voters see his policies as equally to blame with those of President George W. Bush for the country’s current economic problems.

    Not surprisingly, 62% of Democrats say the president is doing a good or excellent job when it comes to the economy. Seventy-eight percent (78%) of Republicans and 69% of voters not affiliated with either party disagree and say Obama’s performance in this area is poor.

  145. turndown,

    I don’t want to get into a verbal war with you…lol… But the only time I can see the eye for and eye aspect being enacted is when Israel is defending itself from Hizbollah and Hamas bombings, etc…

    What exactly did the U.S. do to Bin Laden et al that caused them to retaliate with the 9 11 tragedies?

  146. Gee Whiz, I feel like I’ve been beaten about the head and shoulders by a mosque….I had a huge headache last night after being slapped around on here last night, but I enjoyed spouting my Catholism to the haters, LOL!

  147. Omg! Not John Bolton….he is really hard on the eyes!

    I also agree with Admin’s discussion about Obama’s real personality. I just would like to add what Hillary said about the bum early on.

    She said, “If he won like he did he would be and illegimate candidate”. That is exactly what he was. He was an illegitimate candidate who won illegally, built on a campaign of lies, illegal money, given by crooks, liars and folks from the underworld and foreign countries. His whole persona was fake, straight out of Hollywood. So the deduction is that when you personally are a lie from who/where you were born, where you went to school, where you worked and what you did most of your life and your adminstration is based on lies…you can’t make a lasting Presidency. Lies have a way of catching up with you very fast and you have to keep on lying to cover the lies of the past and that’s why you need a teleprompter for press conferences and you can’t speak off the cuff because you might accidently tell the truth and open up a bigger can of worms…???

  148. Personally, I would have liked to see the entire site as a memorial park…..a cemetary….but there was just too much $ at stake in Manhattan for that to happen I guess.

    ===========================

    Which site? The actual ‘Ground Zero’ which is administered by the Port Authority? Or the surrounding 2-block band (or 5 or 7-block band which Trump wants) where the Burlington Coat Factory is? Where should the strip joints and betting parlors go if that Burlington area is made a ‘memorial park’?

    What’s NYC’s policy on gerrymandering?

  149. ABM92, Actually I am thinking about running for Congress…where else can you get a job with an expense account for all the GreyGoose Vodka you can drink…fly around in your own personal jet…have your aide’s sneak in all the weed you could possibly smoke and to top it off (as if that wasn’t enough) there’s a bath house there and all the communal sex a person could ever want? Now that’s a great job! Oh my, I almost forgot…and a retirement we peasants could only dream about and hey, if you spend a little too much one year…you can pass a law and give yourself a raise….WHAT’s NOT TO LIKE???

  150. I’m sure there is plenty of space a few blocks away.

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    How many blocks would satisfy you?

  151. JanH,

    Maybe an attribution got mixed up. You seem to be disagreeing with something I didn’t say.

    Sort it out by email? 1950democrat at gmail

  152. But the only time I can see the eye for and eye aspect being enacted is when Israel is defending itself..
    **********
    As an aside, “eye for an eye…” has become a saying that is associated with the idea of vengeance when, in fact, the meaning is just the opposite. When mentioned in the Torah it means that justice should be proportionate. 2500 years or so ago the idea of proportionate justice was a radical concept. Today, some religions could use the same enlightened ideas of the Jews 2 1/2 millenia ago.

  153. tim,
    Yeah, what’s wrong with them using the WMCA??? If we allow for separate but equal facilities, pretty soon we’ll be called out for Apartied as our lovely Jimmy Carter did to Israel….separate but equal always worked!

  154. My prediction seems to have got lost in the aether. I still predict a compromise where everyone gets to declare victory. Trump or someone buys out the Burlington property, some other property becomes affordable (Paterson’s or by donations). The new location is described as ‘not near GZ’ and the people who believe Burlington is near GZ fall for the new description (or get bored).

    Well, that’s a best case. Anyway as Frum said a while back, the Burlington real estate deal looks like falling apart. What will last, digital forever, is all these crazy things that are being said against Muslims or ‘Islam.’ So imo it’s important to speak out against this crazy slander of that whole religion and whole ethic group — and ad hominem attacks on a good moderate like Rauf.

  155. SHV
    September 12th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    But the only time I can see the eye for and eye aspect being enacted is when Israel is defending itself..
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    As an aside, “eye for an eye…” has become a saying that is associated with the idea of vengeance when, in fact, the meaning is just the opposite. When mentioned in the Torah it means that justice should be proportionate. 2500 years or so ago the idea of proportionate justice was a radical concept.

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    Very good point. The previous customs (non-Jewish?) were something like, “When someone pokes your eye, you kill all their family.”

  156. Imam Rauf is not a moderate muslim, not by any stretch of the imagination.

    A moderate muslim, one who defends America and the US Constitution is someone like Dr. Jaffari (sp?) the head of the American Muslims for Democracy. A navy vet and a muslim, this is a one patriotic AMERICAN, who happens to be muslim, and I for one am very proud to have him as a fellow citizen in this great country of ours.

  157. If we don’t read a comment, does it exist? 😉

    On happier topics, MoononPuto, looks like it was a grand wedding and I presume north Indian style since you have mentioned Delhi. Some more Indian trivia for you which you can verify with your partner. North Indians generally experience life more boisterously than the South Indians — they dance, they sing, and generally are more outgoing and fun loving. South Indians are generally more reserved. I went through two of my niece’s weddings in the last two years, both south Indian. They ranged from 1-2 day, 2 extravagant meals plus an large extended family meal — we are talking about anywhere from 300-1000 people at a meal. My own wedding 24 years ago was very simple because I was idealistic and I did not want my dad to waste money on my wedding (yes, bride’s dad picks up the tab for everything).

  158. Another patriotic American, who happens to be muslim, is the head of the organization for the Freedom of Iranian Women.

    She wrote a spectacular piece on why she,an American who is muslim, is against the the Ground Zero Mosque, her piece, asked Puke-o-si to investigate her as well since she opposed the Ground Zero Mosque.

    I wish I saved the link, it was truely a spectacular and brillantly written article.

  159. wbboei
    September 12th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    I would think that the Dem party elite have the most to fear from Hillary. They cheated, lied, libeled, slandered and decided who the nominee was going to be. It was not going to be her even if she won it. I see them in major ass covering mode at present saying silly things to the media and anyone else that will listen that the election is still winnable but anonymously turning against Obama and his incompetents. Voters are not the Clintons’ enemy, but much of the Democratic elite are. When fund-raising dries up and elections are lost the power goes out the window. There will be a leadership vacuum in the party after the election, and it will be almost impossible for the Obama crowd to recover it. That’s why many are leaving now. It was too late for most of Congress to bow out as they were already on the ballot so they have to take their lumps. Nancy is not going to be the minority leader and neither is Reid. When a party is this wrong they have to own up to it or go away.

  160. The Turkish Referendum was today and 58% voted yes. The islamists are taking over and dismantling the country bit by bit.

    They are going to try and criminalise adultery again.

    The Govt now has full control over the independent judiciary and can now turn into the islamists wing.

    Suddenly that Indian option is looking far more attractive.

  161. I would think that the Dem party elite have the most to fear from Hillary. They cheated, lied, libeled, slandered and decided who the nominee was going to be. It was not going to be her even if she won it. I see them in major ass covering mode at present saying silly things to the media and anyone else that will listen that the election is still winnable but anonymously turning against Obama and his incompetents. Voters are not the Clintons’ enemy, but much of the Democratic elite are. When fund-raising dries up and elections are lost the power goes out the window. There will be a leadership vacuum in the party after the election, and it will be almost impossible for the Obama crowd to recover it. That’s why many are leaving now. It was too late for most of Congress to bow out as they were already on the ballot so they have to take their lumps. Nancy is not going to be the minority leader and neither is Reid. When a party is this wrong they have to own up to it or go away.
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    Yes. Certainly judas goats like Brazil who plot the demise of party leaders with the likes of Karl Rove, ethically challenged people who feel blood is thicker than water when it comes to public money like good old Jim Clyburn and certain members of the CBC who are guilty of the same ethical lapses, and lily white race baiters like Kaine and Van Hollen have no legitimate place in the Party or in positions of national leadership of ANYTHING. At least that is the way I see it. The key to this thing however still lies with the money men. If they see the public rejecting Obama en masse, and as he continues to fail in the essential task of governance, and as more of his socio-pathology manifests itself they may be forced to treat him like a dog and say no mas. Only then can the rehabilitation start. The other thing these fuckers need to understand is if they do not want a revolution in this country that pulls them down off the wall like Humpty Dumpty they had best not let any candidate they select corrupt the electoral process through intimidation of voters and rigging voting machines. If you want to see everything go to hell they try that shit again in 2012 with 25% of the population out of work. So if that is any part of what Plouffe and Soros have in mind, caveat emptor baby.

  162. If the Republicans have a brain in their head (I sometimes wonder about that) they need to make sure that the illegals who are in this country do not vote. They must find a reliable way to verify citizenship before they are allowed to pull the lever or sign the ballot. We must assume that there are people who will give them false identifications, so there needs to be hard proof. In a sense that is what this battle in Arizona is about. Obama wants to prevent any verification of citizenship so he can trick the system in 2012. On the odds, this is part of Plouffe’s plan, and Soros too with his secretary of state project which is aimed at putting reliable party hack in a position where they can reject challenges to voter eligibilty. That is another way these traitors will try to disenfranchise the American People. We cannot allow that to happen.

  163. wbboei,

    . If you want to see everything go to hell they try that shit again in 2012 with 25% of the population out of work. So if that is any part of what Plouffe and Soros have in mind, caveat emptor baby.
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    EXACTLY!!!! NO MORE DARN CHEATING!!! THE REAL WINNER WINS or there will be a massive revolt!

  164. We’ve had two illegitimate candidates in a row make to the Oval Office. Fortunately Bush becaus of 9-11 at least kept us safe, but this POS can even control his own half of the party. The ball-less ONE is a LOSER!

  165. pm317

    North Indians and south indians are like night and day. One likes spicy food, the other prefers bland less spicy.

    The north indians are party people, they like a drink and a laugh.

  166. Someone asked about the Greek Orthodox church (which really WAS in ‘Ground Zero’). Here’s an update.

    Because it really was in GZ, they have to get permission from the Port Authority to rebuild and are disagreeing over the details.

    [[ Peter Drakoulias, an executive member of the church board [….] says the church is a piece of a complicated puzzle, adding, “two different states and the city of New York make up the Port Authority. We’ve been through three governors and four directors of the Port Authority, so I just think that there’s been a lot of cooks in the kitchen, if you will, and hopefully it will get sorted out.” http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/10/that-other-worship-space-at-ground-zero-2/ ]]

    The Cordoba project does not have these problems because it is NOT in ‘Ground Zero’. So the Port Authority is not involved.

  167. I hope when the Arizona case gets to the Supreme Court the responsible members of that tribunal recognize the hidden agenda Obama is pursuing, and come up with some guidelines which are both effective and enforceable to protect the country and at the same time the electoral process. Such guidelines would have the salutary effect of taking the heat off local officials who try to protect the integrity of the vote, in the face Obama hordes who go apeshit, scream racist and do their intimidation routine. Seeing is believing, and we have seen them operate this way before.

  168. My iconic book-burning reference is found in Cervantes’ DON QUIJOTE:

    “The original version of Don Quixote was printed in 1605, which is significant for the book-burning scene of this story. For centuries the Catholic Church had dominated all aspects of education and learning; the only educated citizens of society were the priests, and they would have been educated in the monasteries of Europe from an early age. [….]

    Reformers such as Martin Luther in the early 16th century began using the printing press to promote their ideas, and to challenge the authority of the papacy and Catholic doctrine. These reform movements, which spread across Germany into Switzerland and eventually to England and France via smuggled bibles and other material printed by the thousands, posed an enormous threat to the Church. [….]

    This loss of control and the fear felt by the ecclesiastical leaders of Europe is reflected in the book-burning event by the Church in Don Quixote. The Church feared the flow of information and new ideas that did not mesh with their own doctrine, and the Church wanted to limit this flow of information as much as possible.”

    http://www.suite101.com/content/don-quixote-and-medieval-society-a123228

  169. I wish the hell we had a hide post option in here.

    By the way, i am seeing a lot of new names recently in here, do we know anything about them?

  170. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Excellent, confloyd- thanks for posting the pics from Betty Jean Kling.

    Just goes to show you Americans, even those totally opposed to violence, will fight for our country, fight for what is rightfully ours and the Freedom and Liberty established for this country by our forefathers. Muslims seem to forget we battled the British for our freedom and aren’t about to give it up to a foreign religion or a foreign power just because they (who have been serially brainwashed) say so… buckle up interloping usurpers, Americans will not allow you to rollover them.

  171. Canaan, thanks for the history reminder on the flag burning amendment.

    http://www.hillaryis44.org/2010/09/11/a-koran-bar-b-que-and-a-mosque-of-doom-in-the-age-of-fake/#comment-304443

    The flag burning amendment, like other compromises such as DADT and DOMA, blocked much more drastic action at a time when the right wing of the population was ascendant. A good general knows when to attack, when to retreat, when to feint. As Hillary put it, you have to know when to seek common ground and when to stand your ground.

  172. I misspelled the gentleman’s name who is the American, a muslim, who is constantly speaking out against shariah law , below is the site for the organizations he runs, he is always attending Tea Parties etc warning against the infliration of Shariah law in America and how the Ground Zero Mosque is steps towards that way.

    http://aifdemocracy.org/

    Dr. Jasser, a patriotic American first, who happens to be a muslim.

  173. Mormaer
    September 12th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    I would think that the Dem party elite have the most to fear from Hillary.
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    I don’t think the word ‘fear’ is the proper explanatory word for what will be Hillary’s demeanor towards them. No one knows better than they do what they have done getting the nomination for Obama. I would think a cold hard look will be enough to send them packing (my word for the look is a ‘fish eyed stare’) and if they attempt to challenge her decision, all she has to say is: “are you sure you want to go there?” After 2yrs of covering their asses their hypocritical charade on the pretense of based on hollow friendships has long been over. Their eyes will be on the door with the bleary eyed hope they will be able to find gainful employment in the workplace in the near future.

  174. There is a blog called Islam Watch created by former Muslims. These people are not hindered by being current Muslims, and therefore, I trust their writings more than what some American Muslim doctor, cabbie, or neighbor says when it comes to Islam and its goals throughout the world. Here is an article in its entirety from that site. Of course, one doesn’t have to agree with them, but I value their perspective because they have lived Islam, and they have decided to warn the world about it. I believe that one discounts what these people have to say at their own peril. I also believe that Rauf’s family history is important, and should not be disregarded. There are links within this article that you can read if you visit the website from which I borrowed it at http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=535:imam-feisal-abdul-raufs-taqiyyah-extraordinaire&catid=73:brahmachari&Itemid=58

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    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s Taqiyyah Extraordinaire
    Sunday, 05 September 2010 04:36 Dr. Radhasyam Brahmachari Ground Zero Mosque Imam’s repertoire of lies and deception — all for the sake of Islam….

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    Who is Imam Abdul Rauf: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is an Arab-American imam and an author. He has been Imam of Masjid al-Farah, a New York City mosque, for 25 years. Recently, the U.S. State Department has appointed him an ambassador to the Arab world.

    He has written three books on Islam and its place in contemporary Western society, and has founded two non-profit organizations, whose collective mission is to enhance the discourse on Islam in society. Starting in the spring semester of 2009, he has been an Associate Professor of Islamic Studies at St. Joseph’s College’s Brooklyn Campus in Brooklyn, New York. Abdul Rauf has, thus, emerged as a leader in the American Muslim community through his work as a bridge builder between American society, the American Muslim community and the wider Muslim World.

    Though he claims that he is an activist for improvement in relations between the Muslim World and the West, his hidden Islamic agenda, like all pious Muslims, is to increase Muslim population in the US, establish the Sharia Law, and finally to turn the U.S.A. into an Islamic Country, a dar-ul-Islam.

    In 1997, Abdul Rauf founded the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), a civil society organization aimed at promoting positive engagement between American society and American Muslims. The organization is now headed by his wife, Daisy Khan. In 2003, Abdul Rauf founded the Cordoba Initiative, another registered nonprofit organization with offices in New York and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. As the CEO of the Cordoba Initiative, Abdul Rauf coordinates projects that emphasize on the bonds that connect the Muslim World and the West.

    As said above, behind all such sweet words and apparently innocent efforts, there lurks his ultimate goal as a Muslim – How to turn America into an Islamic state and that too in the quickest possible time. Every American must believe that they can even trust a poisonous snake, but not a pious Muslim like Imam Feisal, who pretends to be a friend of Christian Americans. The all-knowing and all-powerful Allah has permitted Muslims to lie as necessary and do any mischief to deceive non-Muslim kafirs for the benefit of Islam. Perhaps many non-Muslims now-a-days know that the all-merciful Allah has put merit for such cheating of the kafirs, called taqiyyah. So, it is no surprise that Imam Feisal would employ taqiyyah to fool the kafirs of U.S.A. and hence to obtain Allah’s blessings.

    Taqiyyah by Abdul Rauf

    While speaking at his mosque in New York in 2004, Imam Feisal said: “The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in the World War II, who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets.”

    It is not difficult to understand that what Feisal Abdul said about the Quran was blatant lies; in verses of the Koran, Allah instructs Muslims to kill innocent infidels. In a video clip “Slaughtering innocent non-Muslims is justified in Islam”, a Muslim cleric explains why Allah has permitted them to kill innocent non-Muslims and how Prophet Muhammad, following Allah’s guidance, massacred the Jews of Beni Koraiza of Medina. Another video shows interview with a suicide bomber. When he is asked – “Why you kill innocent non-Muslims, even children by blowing you up?” he replied, “No non-Muslim, including their children are innocents. They are guilty of refusing Allah and his Prophet Muhammad and hence they are fit to be killed.”

    In a “60 Minutes” interview shortly after the September 11 attacks, Imam Rauf said: “Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam” , adding: “I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” When the interviewer asked Rauf how he considered the U.S. an accessory, the Imam replied: “Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.”

    During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Imam Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department’s designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said: “I’m not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question… I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy.”

    In December 2009, Imam Feisal announced plans to build the Cordoba House, a giant 13-story community center, including a mosque that would accommodate 1,000 – 2,000 Muslims in prayer, two blocks away from the Ground Zero, winning non-binding support from the local Community Board, as well as some elected officials, but also attracting protests from some families of the 9/11 victims, politicians, civil society organizations, academics and others. The Imam’s wife, Daisy Khan, who is the executive director of ASMA, speaking at a public hearing in Lower Manhattan on May 25, 2010, was widely quoted as having said that building a community center two blocks from Ground Zero was “no big deal”. The building of the mosque and community center, as well as the initiative itself, was criticized even by some Muslims, such as Sufi mysticist Suleiman Schwartz, who said that a building built by Rauf barely two blocks from the Ground Zero, is inconsistent with Sufi philosophy of simplicity of faith and sensitivity towards others.

    On another occasion, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said that jihad warfare was started by the West and can only be ended by the West. But in fact, the doctrine of violent jihad is an essential part of the Koran; hence it an Islamic tradition and has been in force since the birth of Islam. So, his comment forces one to believe the Imam is either a lunatic or is ignorant of Islam. The Koran says that jihad is the best way to worship Allah and jihad for a single day is equivalent to a thousand day’s prayer. From these examples, one can estimate the kind of lies Muslims like Imam Feisal would resort to in the interest of Islam for deceiving the nonbeliever kafirs.

    One of Imam Feisal’s book is: What’s Right with Islam: a New Vision for Muslims and the West (HarperCollins, 2004). In it, he suggests that the “American Constitution and system of governance uphold the core principles of Islamic law” (i.e. sharia). And he thus concludes that the “American political structure is sharia-compliant.” In December 2007, Rauf promoted What’s Right with Islam at a Malaysia gathering of Hizb ut Tahrir, which seeks to impose sharia globally.

    In July 2010, journalist Andrew McCarthy reported that this book was originally published in Malaysia under a different title: A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of America Post-9/11.[i] This original title of the book obviates the motive and contents of the book. More astonishingly, a special, non-commercial edition of the book was reproduced, with the Imam’s cooperation, by the Islamic Society of North America and the International Institute of Islamic Thought. Both these organizations are American tentacles of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Brigitte Gabriel on Abdul Rauf

    While talking to Fox News, Brigitte Gabriel said: “Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has said publicly that September 11 attack was not perpetrated by the Muslims. He said publicly on CNN that Osama bin-Laden was made in the United States… So, what type of teaching will be done in the mosque if it gets built? We shall have to understand the lineage of Feisal Rauf. His father came out of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), the oldest terrorist organization in the world. He was in MB with the aim and al-Jawahiri, the second man in Al Qaeda. He was kicked out of Egypt and sent to Kuwait where Abdul Rauf was born and the father came to USA and set up an Islamic Center in 1965 in New York City, funded by 49 Islamic countries… They are using our laws and our open-mindedness against us.”

    Debate between Tim Brown and the Imam

    In a television debate, titled “Leader of Ground Zero Mosque Refuses to Disclose the Source of Funding”, between 9/11 fire-fighter Tim Brown and Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, on the proposed 13-storey mosque at the Ground Zero, Brown asked the Imam: “Why it is so close to the terrorist attack site?” The Imam replied: “Because we want the whole world to know that the Muslims condemn the 9/11. We have been condemning 9/11 in the loudest possible terms and since then we want to make sure that the message is heard loud and clear. Terrorism and extremism does not distinguish men of different faiths and ethnic communities…”

    Tim Brown then said that he has talked with the affected families and they are not happy with the project. And according to their version: “A Trojan Horse is being pushed into the most sacred ground, the Ground Zero. We have so many of our family members and friends died.” Tim Brown continued: “I appreciate the Imam what is he saying. I have a question for him – Where from the millions and millions of dollars in cash come from?” …Another question: Although he says that the Muslim community has come up strongly against radical Islamism and terrorism (but we failed to notice that).

    In his reply, the Imam said, “Well, we have several thousand people, more than a thousand people are Muslims work in the financial district; they are among the supporters. I have worked with the FBI, in fact, after 9/11. I was invited to lecture to all fronts of FBI agents, on how we the Muslims and Muslim leaders can participate with the law enforcing agencies to ensure that this kind of debate may happen, and what is called as extremism coming from our community does not happen.”

    Tim Brown asked again: “Where from the 3.8 million dollars come?” The Imam replied: “It comes from our community. We have members, who are very successful members of this community: The American community, the financial community.”

    Let’s stop for a while to assess what the Imam wants to say. Firstly, the reader should recall that what President Obama had said in his Cairo speech were blackest lies and Imam Feisal was an author of it. So it’s easy to understand that what type of a liar he is. Now let us see how he adds more lies and deception to his repertoire in above debate. He told Tim Brown that “We have been condemning 9/11 in the loudest possible terms”, which contradicts his previous statements that September 11 attack was not perpetrated by the Muslims. He said publicly on CNN that Osama bin-Laden was made in the United States. Yet, all 19 people connected to the 9/11 attacks were Muslims, mostly from Saudi Arabia. Moreover, in contrast to Imam’s claim, nobody ever heard Muslims condemning the 9/11 attack loudly. Instead, the world witnessed rejoicing and celebration on streets of the Muslim world. The Middle East was flooded by the joyous dances on the streets. In Palestine and in many other Islamic countries, Muslims took out procession to celebrate the day holding placards that read “Death to America”.

    Instead of condemning the 9/11 attacks loud and clear, it has been a cause for celebration and a source of inspiration for Muslims. For example, on the streets of Europe, such as in the U.K., we witness Muslims shouting slogans: “Magnificent 19” referring to the 9/11 perpetrators, “May Osama bin-Laden bomb you”, “Nuke, Nuke USA” etc.

    Muslim Leaders’ Taqiyyah in India

    “The Darul Uloom Deoband is an Islamic school propagating Sunni Islam in India. It is located at Deoband, a town in Uttar Pradesh, India. It was founded in 1866 by several prominent Islamic scholars (ulema), headed by Maulana Muhammad Qasim Nanautawi. The other prominent founding scholars were Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi and Haji Syed Abid Hussain. The institution is highly respected across the India, as well as in other parts of the Indian subcontinent.”

    Seven years after the 9/11 attacks, reported TNN on January 1, 2008, for the first time ever the Darul-Uloom Deoband issued a fatwa against terrorism, stating that Islam had come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. The fatwa, signed by Darul-Uloom’s grand mufti Habibur Rehman, asserted that “Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form”.

    Citing the “sinister campaign” to malign “Islamic faith.. by linking terrorism with Islam and distorting the meanings of Quranic Verses and Prophet’s traditions”, Mahmood Asad Madani, leader of Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind, had wanted Deoband to spell out the stand of Islam on world peace.

    The fatwa, issued at a huge gathering of Muslims, attending the Anti-Terrorism and Global Peace Conference in Delhi, went on to say: “It is proved from clear guidelines provided in the Holy Quran that allegations of terrorism against a religion which preaches and guarantees world peace is nothing but a lie. The religion of Islam has come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. Allah knows the best.”

    “Killing of innocent people is not compatible with Islam. The biggest challenge faced by us today is terrorism (which) threatens to strike at the very root of the secular structure of our society besides causing irreparable loss,” stated Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind leader Madani, an MP.

    Usman, the deputy rector of Deoband Jamiat, said that many people, especially in the West, were carrying out a propaganda that terrorism was synonymous with jehad. He said that while terrorism is destructive, jehad is constructive. “Terrorism is the gravest crime as held by the Quran and Islam. We are not prepared to tolerate terrorism in any form and we are ready to cooperate with all responsible people,” he said.

    Inclusion of caveats like “unjust” and “innocent” etc. made fatwa falling short of unequivocal condemnation of terrorism. Even then, any observer of Islam with nominal knowledge of its scripture and history would know that every statement in the above fatwa on the peculiarities of Islam is outright false, Taqiyyah — exactly opposite to what Islam stands for, to what the Quran preaches and to what Prophet Muhammad had practiced. Such fatwas by Muslim leaders, trying to assert that Islam means peace and those who are engaged in terrorist and other subversive acts, are not true Muslims and they ate doing this by transgressing the laws of Islam etc. are simply desperate and calculated efforts to cover for the horrendous acts Muslims have been committing all over the world, including in India. In reality, the word “terrorism” in English is equivalent to “jihad” in Arabic, and this jihad is the most important (military) component of Islam.

    And, while announcement of fatwa received lukewarm response from the large exclusively male-Muslim gathering, they cheered most lustily when the speakers attacked the U.S. When Usman came down heavily on “the dual policy of America”, the massive crowd cheered him up heartily. “Whenever Christian and American interests are hurt in any part of the world, they take prompt action to set things right even at the cost of human lives. They maintain silence though when Muslims are the victims,” he said, in condemnation of the U.S. support for Israel.

    The real purpose behind the Deoband’s issuance of the said Fatwa is that many terrorist organizations are closely connected to the Darul ulum Deoband idealogy and inspiration. Hence, Deoband has lately been under intense focus, because many of the terrorist groups — from Taliban to Jaish and Harkat — are widely perceived to be Deobandi in orientation

  175. Imam Rauf IS NOT A MODERATE! The man wants to promote Shariah in America. He is not to be trusted!

    While talking to Fox News, Brigitte Gabriel said: “Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has said publicly that September 11 attack was not perpetrated by the Muslims. He said publicly on CNN that Osama bin-Laden was made in the United States… So, what type of teaching will be done in the mosque if it gets built? We shall have to understand the lineage of Feisal Rauf. His father came out of the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), the oldest terrorist organization in the world. He was in MB with the aim and al-Jawahiri, the second man in Al Qaeda. He was kicked out of Egypt and sent to Kuwait where Abdul Rauf was born and the father came to USA and set up an Islamic Center in 1965 in New York City, funded by 49 Islamic countries… They are using our laws and our open-mindedness against us.”

  176. The following is the “About Us” page for the Islam Watch website. They encourage people to write on their website using pen names because of the danger of writing anything against Islam.

    Who are we?

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    We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all. Most of us took a prolong period of time to study, evaluate, and contemplate on, this religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim from backgrounds. The core of Islam—that is, the Qur’an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred for the unbelievers, unbelievably intolerant toward them and extremely cruel and merciless to Muslims, who dare to deviate from its doctrine.

    We also realized that Islam is beyond alteration, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals and its cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation. Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore, discarded Islam from our lives so that we can be free to enjoy a normal, pleasant and humane life in complete harmony with all peoples on earth, irrespective of their religion, race or creed.

    Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie, most of us have left Islam silently because of the fear for our lives. As Islamic terrorism and violence overwhelms the world, particularly in the post-9/11 years, we felt that it’s a responsibility upon us to make world’s 1.4 billion Muslims aware of the falsity of their religion and its cruel nature so that they can make informed choice and leave Islam to live with love, respect and harmony with rest of humanity.

    We also felt it incumbent upon us to make the non-Muslim world aware of the reality of Islam and take timely precautionary measures against this religion of terror, hate and mayhem. We tell the world that the ongoing terrorism, unleashed by Islamic militants, is not an aberration from the so-called ‘peaceful religion of Islam’; instead, it is the real Islam preached and practiced by its founder, Prophet Muhammad. A thorough study of the Qur’an and prophetic tradition (Hadith, Sunnah) makes it clear.

    We, therefore, have launched this website to expose the “real Islam”—the Islam that is determined to replace the modern civilization with the 7th-century Arab Bedouin barbarism, peddled as the true Islamic Civilization. Let the world watch Islam through http://www.islam-watch.org and be warned.

    ‘Islam Watch’ is founded by a few Muslim apostates. Hailing mainly from South Asia, some of us left Islam after the 9/11; others have been apostates since prior to that. We aim to establish that Islam is false. We feel that it needs to be emasculated, marginalized or eliminated altogether, if the Muslim world wants to come out of its current backwardness and quagmire, characterized by poverty, corruption, illiteracy, violence, misrule and tyranny, in which they have been thrown in due to Islamic indoctrination.

    To learn more about why some of us have left Islam, please read these testimonies:

    1.My Journey to Freedom – M. A. Khan

    2.Why I left Islam – Ali Sina

    3.Making of an Unbeliever – Abul Kasem

    Visit our Leaving Islam page for more testimonies.

    Founders & members:

    M. A. Khan (USA, Editor)
    Abul Kasem (Australia)
    Dr. Ali Sina (USA)
    M. A. Hussain (Australia)
    Sher Khan (USA)
    Syed Kamran Mirza (USA)
    Mumin Salih (UK)

    Our Challenge

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    We challenge Muslims to debate on these assertions.

    We assert that Islam is not a religion of peace but is founded on war, violence, terrorism, hate and injustice.
    We affirm that Islam is a false religion.
    We conclude that Islam is responsible for rampant corruption, widespread misrule, implausible tyranny, mindless terrorism, unrelenting violence and pervasive social injustice in the Muslim world

    Our Mission (Why This Site)

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    Our ultimate aim is to guide Muslims out of the fold of Islam. We also expect that critical voice against Islam will render it somewhat benign.

    We plan to achieve our goals in the following manners:

    1.We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever.

    2.We will establish that Islam is false, that it is not revealed by any God, but was created by Prophet Muhammad himself to fulfill his greed, ego and ambition.

    3.We will prove that Islam has nothing to do with peace; instead, it is a dangerous cult founded through violence, terror, plunder and extreme injustice by its founder, Muhammad.

    4.We will prove that Islam is incompatible with the modern world. Islamic precepts stand in contravention to the concept of democracy, tolerance, human rights and gender equality and hence is dangerous for modern civilization.

    5.We will demonstrate that Islamic terrorism, as witnessed today, is sanctioned by Islam. Terrorists did not hijack Islam; instead, Islam itself has hijacked some otherwise good human beings and turned them into machines for terror, murder and destruction.

    6.We will also awaken the non-Muslim world, especially the West, about the short-term and long-term dangers Islam to their good and benevolent society.

    7.As nontheistic humanists, we strongly affirm that human life should be guided by human conscience, wisdom and judgment based on the Golden Rules. This is an ever-changing, dynamic, process; as people gain new experience, scientific knowledge and insights into the workings of the world and human life, our ethical wisdom would change. Opposed to religious doctrines, no particular set of rules or values should be considered absolute and universal. We propagate that ‘Live your own life and let other live theirs, as long as they don’t harm and cause nuisance to others’.

    8.”Islam Watch” will be dominated by ex-Muslim and moderate Muslim writers. We will make some room for non-Muslim authors to help us gauge how the non-Muslim world grasps the truth about Islam.

    9.To create a critical mass of critics of Islam from Muslim backgrounds, one of our missions will be to create new writers, critical of Islam, from amongst Muslims. We will put maximum effort in nurturing these nascent talents. To this end, we will urge Muslim writers to pen their critical thoughts on Islam, regardless of how good they are, and we will try to accommodate them in our website.

    10.Although “Islam Watch” has been launched by ex-Muslims coming mainly from South Asia, we aim to connect to Muslim apostates and critics from all corners of the world. We encourage them from all parts of the world to voice their opinions through “Islam Watch”.

    11.”Islam Watch” will publish a comprehensive daily news concerning Islam from all corners of the world so as to keep our readers updated with the state of affairs of Islam worldwide. This, we hope, will transform “Islam Watch” into a unique hub for readers interested in the truth and reality of Islam from all corners of the world.

    12.We will publish a select number of Op-Ed/Articles of non-Muslim authors of strongly secular conviction. Selection of articles by non-Muslim authors would be solely at discretion of the editors.

    Publishing Guidelines

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    We will follow the following guidelines in order to maintain the focus of our website as well as to maintain a decent atmosphere. We are be open to any criticism or modifications of these guidelines and will accommodate views which are fair, reasonable and which enhances our efforts to achieve our goals.

    1.Though ‘Islam Watch’ will be mainly for critical discussions of all aspects of Islam—politics, terrorism and falsity of its foundation etc.; as a nontheistic platform, we might accept general criticisms of other religions.

    2.We will accept general philosophical discussions that debunk the futility or falsity of all religions, including Islam.

    3.Generally, we will not publish articles that preach or glorify Islam or any other religions. The only reason we may publish them is to prove the vacuity of such commentary.

    4.We will post a comprehensive daily coverage of Islam-related news and commentaries from the media. Although such items will be mainly chosen by the editors, readers may forward news and commentary which they feel might be suitable for our website.

    5.Original articles written by our members will be given preference. Their postings will be according to our aims and objectives. As nurturing of emerging writers is one of our cardinal aims, we will encourage these budding writers to forward their articles.

    6.We will allow contributors to write under real or fictitious names. We encourage contributors to write under pennames because of the danger associated with the critiquing of Islam.

    7.Posting of any write-up will be purely at the discretion of the editors.

  177. You’re welcome, tim.

    It’s bothersome to read the comments from Islamic apologists, especially since they would not get the same treatment from Islamists if the shoe was on the other foot. It’s fine to promote religious freedom, but it’s not right to vociferously criticize Christianity, or Judaism, while blanketing Islam with the warmness of smug revisionism.

    Reading the comments about the strip joints, for lack of a better word, that are currently located in the vicinity of the World Trade Center site, and then implying that because of them, a mosque should be welcome in the same area is disingenuous. Symbolism is a big part of the negative reaction to the victory mosque. Certainly, strip joints are arguably a symbol of moral decay. The mosque would also be a symbol for world Islam, a symbol of spiritual decay, and military weakness in America being addressed by Muslim superiority, and strength. Neither symbol is good as far as I am concerned, but one symbol is much more damaging to the non-Islamic world. To equate both symbols as if they are of the same importance beyond that particular area of the city of New York is stretching it.

  178. confloyd
    September 11th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
    Jan H,
    Have you ever read the book, Peace by Piece??

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    Sorry I missed this earlier. I haven’t read this title but many like it. I will definitely check it out.

  179. OMG, too funny. What’s wrong with a muslim community center, especially one open to the public? Y’all realize the YMCA is the young men’s CHRISTIAN Association, right? You’ve heard of a JCC, no?

  180. #
    JanH
    September 12th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    So voting repub is going to make everything better?

    Just wondering.
    ____________________________

    Republicans are not the answer to our problems. They burned us once. They won’t be given the chance to do it again. Sure we will replace some of our delinquent Democrats with Repubs and in the end and the Republicans may gain a majority perhaps temporarily in both Houses. However, it may take a few election cycles and a few more Primaries to assemble enough Clinton Democrats more in the way of our liking.

    Certainly our intention will be not allowing ourselves to be victimized by either party. Our mission will be to purge, purge, purge until we have the right political mix of Republicans and Democrats that will work together for the common good. I believe we can achieve that goal within the wide open window during the next 4 to 8 years.

    Will it happen within the next 10 yrs? I believe it will because it has to if we are ever to retrieve our way of life from 20-30 years ago. Never before in modern times has an electorate faced so many life threatening challenges. Not since the turn of the 20th century when they faced economic crashes, joblessness, homelessness and starvation. We are facing all the trials and tribulations our ancestors faced at the turn of the twentieth century with the addition of ongoing Wars in two countries. It all boils down to management and stewardship of the country and the lessons learned from the mistakes made over the last two years.

    There are many revolutionary lessons to be learned here. We’ve paid a heavy price because of people who put their pride and nuanced behavior in front of common sense and what was the best bet for success and in the best interest for everyone and the entire country. Experience is key to running this country and the most qualified for the job was always in front of our eyes and that is Hillary Clinton. It’s surprising that anyone would even want the job for all the headaches it brings with the territory. She does and the reason why, I will will be eternally grateful to her for straightening out the mess Hussein has gotten this country in..
    ____________________________

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    tim
    September 12th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Mrs. Smith
    September 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    good point.

    _____________

    Thanks, Tim. I’ve been enjoying reading your posts and meant to comment on the informative information you’ve posted. Sorry for being so tardy… 🙂

  181. “It’s fine to promote religious freedom, but it’s not right to vociferously criticize Christianity, or Judaism, while blanketing Islam with the warmness of smug revisionism.”

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    nomobama,

    Well said. And yet the media and obama have joined the chorus to criticize Jews and Christians and to throw bouquets at those who follow the Koran.

  182. JanH
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    When I said evangelicals pay strict and close attention ot Leviticus, it had nothing to do with the US government. I don’t understand your point.

  183. Israel push demand for recognition as ‘Jewish state’

    JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday reiterated his demand for the Palestinians to recognise Israel as a Jewish state, in remarks ahead of a second round of US-backed peace talks.

    The demand, which has been repeatedly rejected by the Palestinians, could further complicate the newly relaunched negotiations which go into a second round in Egypt on Tuesday with the participation of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    “Just as we are asked to recognise the Palestinian national state… we also demand and expect the Palestinians to recognise a Jewish state,” Netanyahu said at the start of a weekly cabinet meeting.

    “This is the true foundation of peace,” he added.

    The two sides relaunched direct talks on September 2 after months of US pressure but remain deeply divided on the core issues of the conflict as well as the expiration of an Israeli settlement moratorium later this month.

    Israel Hayom, a newspaper considered close to Netanyahu, said he wanted to first discuss security arrangements and the issue of recognition before addressing final borders.

    “The prime minister has demanded a discussion about the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state as proof of the seriousness of the Palestinians’ intentions to put an end to the conflict,” it said Sunday.

    Israel’s other main newspapers carried similar reports, all citing sources close to the talks. An Israeli government spokesman would not immediately comment on the reports.

    The Palestinians refuse to recognise Israel as a Jewish state because they fear it would endanger their claim to a right of return for refugees who fled or were driven out of what is now Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and their descendants. Their fate has been a core dispute in previous peace talks.

    The Palestinians also note that 20 percent of Israel’s citizens are Muslim and Christian Arabs.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hWKGfUXIsCDFTI3ALFghw_Pq7w1Q

  184. Too funny…

    ————-

    All the president’s emails

    In a unique experiment in democratic transparency, Barack Obama – a BlackBerry owner, and the first American president to use email while in office – has agreed to copy G2 in on his otherwise highly confidential electronic communications. Each week, we present a selection from recent days:

    As seen by Tim Dowling guardian.co.uk, Sunday 12 September 2010

    To: Hillary Clinton Subject: Re: Plan C

    Sorry about Plan B, but I think it’s impolitic for the President of the United States to phone a raving mad, pig-ignorant Florida preacher to ask him not to burn 200 Qur’ans, especially if the guy then goes ahead and does it anyway. So, Plan C: if you think you can arrange for a Blackhawk to fly over and dump water all over the bonfire, fine. Do we need legal justification, or can it just be a fun federal prank? B.

    To: Fidel Castro Subject: Fw: “Fidel Castro Wants To Be Friends On Facebook”

    Sir: First you criticize Ahmadinejad, then you admit communism doesn’t work, and now this. It feels like the beginning of a beautiful friendship!

    Seriously, though, the Facebook page is just some PR thing my campaign people started. I haven’t looked at it in months. Let’s keep our new dialogue quiet until after the midterm elections. In the meantime, I’ll get Chrysler to send you 20,000 new SUVs as a humanitarian thing. Nobody here can afford them anyway. Warmly, Barack.

    To: Rahm Emanuel Subject: Re: So Daley is stepping down . . .

    Yes, Rahm, I think you’d make a great mayor of Chicago. I’ll hate to lose you, but it’s a tremendous opportunity, so I’m OK with you resigning after the elections, if that’s what you decide. One question: any chance of you resigning before the elections? I just think appointing someone really cool to your job might help us out at the polls. Any suggestions? No pressure, honestly. B.

    To: VPOTUS Subject: Re: Plan C

    Hey Joe, in answer to your question about whether it’s disrespectful to get 200 copies of the Qur’an wet, I can only say I HAVE NO FRIGGING IDEA BECAUSE I’M NOT A MUSLIM. Why are you even asking me? Anyway, last I heard – fingers crossed – the whole thing had been called off. I hope Hillary remembered to cancel that helicopter. Barack

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/12/all-the-presidents-emails

  185. Howard Fineman quoted Norman Ornstein in his “pre-mortem” today on the November elections. It sounds like the “pre-mortem” we repeatedly made starting in 2007:

    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/12/fineman-what-went-wrong-for-obama-and-the-dems.html

    Take health-care reform. Ten years hence, perhaps, it will be seen as the signal achievement of the Obama years. But for now, it’s an unpopular law that took a divisive year to enact, that liberals and conservatives loathe, that is full of bureaucratic and fiscal IEDs, and that drained attention from dealing with the economy. If you disagree, look at Obama’s speech last week in Cleveland. In 47 minutes, he mentioned health care for about 25 seconds.

    Obama misread the clock. Obama was warned before the election that Republicans would try to slow-walk his every nominee, but he never figured out a way around the problem. The administration was slow to staff up, which hampered everything, especially the impact of the stimulus. “Shovel ready” projects identified in the spring of 2009 are often still “unshoveled” because officials aren’t in place to approve them, says Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute. “The fact is,” he says, “Obama never really ran anything, even legislatively.” Neither has his closest adviser, message guru David Axelrod.

  186. admin
    September 12th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    “The fact is,” he says, “Obama never really ran anything, even legislatively.” Neither has his closest adviser, message guru David Axelrod.

    Oh my gosh…that sounds like an argument for experience. Who could have predicted? 🙂

  187. admin
    September 12th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Wow. There people are so amazingly dumb. And they wonder why no one trusts a word they say or publish anymore.

    Mr. Waffles said he is qualified to be president because he is running for president. So, writing a resume for a job makes you qualified for that job not what’s on that thin resume, but the fact that you are writing a resume for a job makes you qualified for that job.

    what a jerk!

  188. “Take health-care reform. Ten years hence, perhaps, it will be seen as the signal achievement of the Obama years. ”

    It will well be repealed by then. It will be seen as a disgusting piece of legislation signed by an immature inexperinced “man”. People will point to him and laugh, children will point to him and do a Simpsons-like “HA HA”.

  189. Jeralyn Merritt will be happy with this news:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html?hp

    It was late one afternoon in January when a squad of plainclothes police officers arrived at the headquarters of a prominent environmental group here. They brushed past the staff with barely a word and instead set upon the computers before carting them away. Taken were files that chronicled a generation’s worth of efforts to protect the Siberian wilderness.

    The group, Baikal Environmental Wave, was organizing protests against Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin’s decision to reopen a paper factory that had polluted nearby Lake Baikal, a natural wonder that by some estimates holds 20 percent of the world’s fresh water.

    Instead, the group fell victim to one of the authorities’ newest tactics for quelling dissent: confiscating computers under the pretext of searching for pirated Microsoft software.

    Across Russia, the security services have carried out dozens of similar raids against outspoken advocacy groups or opposition newspapers in recent years. Security officials say the inquiries reflect their concern about software piracy, which is rampant in Russia. Yet they rarely if ever carry out raids against advocacy groups or news organizations that back the government.

    As the ploy grows common, the authorities are receiving key assistance from an unexpected partner: Microsoft itself. In politically tinged inquiries across Russia, lawyers retained by Microsoft have staunchly backed the police.

  190. Maybe ‘scores of people’ doesn’t mean what the NY Post thinks it means?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/man_burns_koran_pages_near_ground_8s6OKcRfcnZ0Ztz9y07ZoL

    Thousands of rowdy protestors with dueling agendas
    [….]
    Those who claimed to be in favor of freedom of speech and freedom of religion initially appeared to outnumber those who came to decry the building the proposed mosque
    [….]
    Scores of people rallied in favor of the mosque, with a crowd 15 to 20 deep
    [….]
    Nearby, several hundred anti-mosque protestors conducted their own rally

  191. The California initiative to divest Israeli investment is very similar to what is happening in many European countries. By divesting , they are attempting to bring Israel to her knees financially , and ultimately, have a world wide embargo against her. This would result in Israel not being able to purchase items for her secuirty, and essentially, would assure her destruction.

  192. September 10, 2010 by Marist Poll

    The 9/11 health bill will go back to Congress this month.

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    Thank God we get another chance to do something REAL for the 911 firefighters!

    No wonder Gingrich and other GOPs who voted down the bill in August, have stirred up this phoney ‘mosque’ issue to take the 911 families’ minds off what’s really important: health care for the firefighters who have health problems from their 911 exposure.

  193. wbboei
    September 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    …The key to this thing however still lies with the money men. If they see the public rejecting Obama en masse, and as he continues to fail in the essential task of governance, and as more of his socio-pathology manifests itself they may be forced to treat him like a dog and say no mas.

    These people do not back losers. Screw ups are not tolerated very long and Obama has had six months of extreme screw ups. The spin, propaganda, and ad money is not going to bring it back. The money has already shifted sides and is going to Repubs. The DNC and House/Senate election committees are cutting people off and threatening them. Obama is hoarding cash because he doesn’t like to share and he knows he may not get anymore since the tide has turned against him. He is probably going to need a defense committee for attorney fees also. I expect some groveling phone calls have gone out to the Clintons with many more to come. The fact is that the party nor the Clintons can afford to have these types of people around them. They are basically anti democratic scum. And they need to get used to being told this.

  194. Mrs. Smith
    September 12th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    I think Obama party apparatchiks are terrified of this election. Their side won the battle but lost the war. Their lives will go downhill with loss of prestige, income, do-nothing commissions, challenges and symposiums, consulting, and media think tank gigs. Lobbying will be it and they are regarded as lepers. They are learning that turning the US into Chicago Il is not going to happen. The sinecures are slipping away.

  195. September 12, 2010

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich calls Obama a Con Man

    President Obama came into office with a promise to change how Washington works. It’s hasn’t worked out well so far, and many supporters of the president who helped to catapult him into office are frustrated, at least according to various polls.

    During a nationally televised press conference on Friday, Mr. Obama was asked if he had changed Washington. He responded first with some of his administration’s accomplishments, but then blamed the lack of a more cooperative spirit in Washington on the dire economic situation he inherited and the Republicans.

    “Now, if you’re asking why haven’t I been able to create a greater spirit of cooperation in Washington, I think that’s fair. I’m as frustrated as anybody by it. I think part of it has to do with the fact that when we came into office, we came in under very tough economic circumstances, and I think that some of the Republican leaders made a decision, we’re going to sit on the sidelines and let the Democrats try to solve it. And so we got a lot of resistance very early.”

    Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who may have presidential aspirations, is apparently really frustrated with the president. The respected politician has taken criticism to a new level of insult, describing Mr. Obama as a “con” man who is “authentically dishonest.”

    Speaking to the National Review Online, Gingrich said, “This is a person who is fundamentally out of touch with how the world works, who happened to have played a wonderful con, as a result of which he is now president.”

    “I think he worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating — none of which was true. In the Alinksy [Ed. note: Saul Alinksy, an American community organizer] tradition, he was being the person he needed to be in order to achieve the position he needed to achieve . . . He was authentically dishonest,” he continued.

    On Fox News Sunday, the former speaker criticized the president’s economic policy by merely saying, “The thing that the president doesn’t understand and the thing that Keynesian economics get wrong is real simple. Do you want people to have enough money to invest to create jobs? If they have a surplus of income so they can create jobs, that’s somehow bad and the president wants to take away the income. That means he’s leaving them with no money to create jobs.”

    Gingrich’s more inflammatory comments on Mr. Obama’s character were in response to an article in Forbes by Dinesh D’Souza, contending that the president channels the “anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr.” and “is trapped in his father’s time machine.”

    D’Souza concluded, “Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation’s agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son.”

    D’Souza can make his argument that Mr. Obama is an anticolonialist trapped in his father’s time machine, and people can debate it. But claiming that Mr. Obama scammed or conned his way into office or is conducting the affairs of state under false pretenses rather than with some unfulfilled promises is a stretch, even for the Obama skeptics and potential competitors.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20016164-503544.html

  196. “But claiming that Mr. Obama scammed or conned his way into office or is conducting the affairs of state under false pretenses rather than with some unfulfilled promises is a stretch, even for the Obama skeptics and potential competitors. ”

    Nah, I wouldn’t say that. I would say millions of Americans feel this way, they didn’t know who the man was, except the lies the LSM fed them in 2008 (and since then), and if anyone wanted to ask, or pry or vet, they were a RACIST.

    Its a good thing there’s a BS in c-BS.

  197. Christians Stabbed, Beaten With Plank Near Indonesia’s Capital

    Published September 12, 2010

    BEKASI, Indonesia – BEKASI, Indonesia (AP) — Assailants stabbed a Christian worshipper in the stomach and pounded a minister in the head with a wooden plank as they headed to morning prayers Sunday outside Indonesia’s capital.

    Neither of the injuries appeared to be life-threatening.

    No one claimed responsibility for the attacks. But suspicion immediately fell on Islamic hard-liners who have repeatedly warned members of the Batak Christian Protestant Church against worshipping on a field housing their now-shuttered church.

    In recent months, they have thrown shoes and water bottles at the church members, interrupted sermons with chants of “Infidels!” and “Leave Now!” and dumped piles of feces on the land.

  198. I think part of it has to do with the fact that when we came into office, we came in under very tough economic circumstances, and I think that some of the Republican leaders made a decision, we’re going to sit on the sidelines and let the Democrats try to solve it.

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    NO, President Fraud, you came into office as an illegal and illegitimate candidate that has no traceable heritage because you blocked all that the first night of your adminstration. Now you wonder WHY we don’t trust you and you can’t get anything done….Gee, I wonder WHY??

  199. Ooh cant wait,

    Breitbart to release ‘interesting’ audio of Capitol Hill politician

    Known for releasing sensational viral videos, multi-media web mogul Andrew Breitart is preparing to post “interesting” audio of a member of Congress this week. I spoke to Mr. Breitbart following his speech at FreedomWorks 9/12 rally on Sunday afternoon.

    “You’re going to hear interesting audio that’s going to come out this week, and it involves a certain member of Congress leaving a voicemail one should never leave asking for money of a person who could she help and vice versa,” said Mr. Breitbart.“She is a known quantity and a respected person who has been granted a lot of respect and I think knowing people here, it is going to be very surprising that she would be behaving this way.”

    Mr. Breitbart is only giving out so much information about the identity of the member of Congress right now, but he cites House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s famous quote about running the “most ethical and honest Congress in history.”

    Mr. Breitbart sees this piece of audio as a last gasp effort for Democrats who are facing tough re-election odds this year.

    “It is my belief that the desperation for November has caused certain people who usually don’t have to make phone calls to lobbyists are now making phone calls to lobbyists and asking for donations, and it very interesting to hear those conversations taped on voicemail,” he said.

    Stay tuned…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/sep/12/breitbart-release-interesting-audio-capitol-hill-p/

    ………………….

    lay your bets now. Mines on Nan having too many vodkas and phone stalking.

  200. basil 9, We rednecks in the South will get the blame for those Christians being beaten…the (bought and paid for) Big Media didn’t have anything to do with it!

    If the Fraud wanted to stop the chaos around the Koran burning and the Mosque uproar he would urge the press to show restraint….obviously they are all on his payroll!

  201. Oh that Grey Goose Vodka makes for loose lips when you’ve knocked a few too many back….gee I can’t wait!!! Paybacks are______!

  202. confloyd,

    I am beyond disgusted that what was meant to be a day of mourning and remembrance for the victims, the heroes and the families of 911 instead got co-opted by muslims.

    Bin Laden must be laughing his butt off. I think it is a disgrace. I’m just glad it’s over. Hopefully, by the time the ten year anniversary roles around the WTC memorial will be finished, the mosque mania will be an unpleasant and distant memory and Pelosi, Reid and the other dim backstabbers will be out of a job.

  203. I just heard Palin say she would not announce her run for the WH at the big event that she and Beck did in Alaska today….but she would do it on the Bob and Markey show if she was going to…hmmm, hmmm,….my guess she running and has already told the show she’d announce there! Did I not see a non-announcement like that before????

    OK HILLARY THE BALL WILL BE YOUR COURT SOOOONNNNN!

  204. Well, did he just get back from vacation and now its party time….does he do any work??? Hillary is off making peace in the middle east while this bozo parties and vacations…of coarse, the Grey Goose Queen will also be attending! YUK!
    ————————————
    Big party week for the Obamas
    By Christina Wilkie – 09/12/10 05:57 PM ET

    President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama have a packed social schedule this week, with two major galas and a reception for college athletes.

    On Monday evening, the President will welcome collegiate star athletes to the White House for a reception at 5:45 p.m. The annual event, first held by former President George W. Bush, recognizes outstanding student athletes in more than a dozen sports, including field-hockey, lacrosse, and volleyball. Neither of Obama’s alma maters, Columbia University and Harvard University, made the grade.

    On Wednesday the First Couple will don black tie for the annual Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute gala, one of the more entertaining political galas of the Washington fall season. A number of entertainers are being honored with awards, including Eva Longoria Parker, five-time Grammy winner Arturo Sandoval, and musician Sheila E. Also participating in the festivities will be Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    Hopefully the Obamas get some rest Thursday or Friday, because they will be back in formalwear on Saturday night for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s (CBCF) annual Phoenix Awards dinner. The dinner will mark the culmiantion of the foundation’s 40th Annual Legislative Conference.

    Honorees at the dinner will include New Jersey State Assembly Speaker Sheila Y. Oliver, actor and humanitarian Harry Belafonte, journalist Simeon Booker, and renowned choreographer Judith Jamison.

    Washingtonians will recall that White House party-crashers Tareq and Michaele Salahi allegedly snuck into the CBCF dinner in 2009. Expect security to be extra tight this time around.

    The Washington social season unofficially begins Saturday night with the Washington National Opera’s season opening gala, and ends in early December with the Kennedy Center Honors.

  205. confloyd
    September 12th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Absolutely disgusting. They both are disgusting. I don’t ever remember the Clintons or the Bushes partying this much.

    20 million unemployed, and the jerk and his mrs.jerk are out partying like nothing else.

  206. moononpluto
    September 12th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
    Ooh cant wait,
    Breitbart to release ‘interesting’ audio of Capitol Hill politician

    Obama won’t share the DNC’s money so they are having to cold call for bucks. Can’t they just have some more fund raisers in LA and shut down all the freeways at rush hour?

  207. Geraldo is uncovering a republican plot to run green party candidates to split the democratic vote….cheating…oh how I love it! They did it last election and it work so well they are doing it again in Arizona! WOW! I wonder when the voters are going to get pist enough to fire them all!

  208. “Sunday Sacrilege: Respect is not the same as obedience”
    (snip)
    “Islam has been particularly petty and overly sensitive to these slights, and seem to be even more narrow and provincial than other religions in lacking any awareness of the fact that the majority of the people on the planet do not hold their beliefs in any great reverence, and that they don’t get to respond by demanding that we treat their superstitions as sacred. Their leadership seems to have decided that rather than recognizing their own minority status and appreciating (perhaps, dare I say it, empathizing with people who hold very different beliefs) that they have to tolerate the existence of the infidel, they’ve increased their demand to enforce Muslim piety on non-Muslims.

    Following the uproar over the threatened burning of the Quran by a small Florida church, a leading international Islamic body said Thursday that the United Nations should outlaw “all forms of offense against religions.”

    “It is a blot on humanity that such discriminatory attack against Islam and Islamic holy sites is continuing in the absence of deterrent legal measures, local and international.”

    No one gets to accuse me of privilege when I defend others’ right to practice their faith, while these intolerant thugs for Allah want to criminalize any criticisms of their beliefs and practices. This is about intolerance and lack of empathy — but the offenders are the goons who want to force people in distant lands to respect their peculiar beliefs.

    I’m not joking when I say they want to criminalize free speech.

    In Iran, senior Shi’ite cleric Grand Ayatollah Saafi Golpayegani said Jones should be arrested immediately and his church permanently shut down.

    Imagine that.

    I’ve seen enough videos of Middle Eastern protesters setting American flags on fire that I do have to wonder…how would they feel if we informed those countries that people who disrespect the United States ought to be arrested and their demonstrations shut down by force? The people Jones has offended feel no compunction about offending other Americans right back — and that’s OK. It is not a crime to offend others, and in fact, it’s pretty much a natural consequence of having diverse cultures.”
    (snip)

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/sunday_sacrilege_respect_is_no.php

  209. I just saw an interview (part of it) of Carla Bruni Sarkozy on the Sundance channel. Wow! I am impressed. She can sing and sing well (and I am a sucker for french music anyway). But most importantly the one character that came through in the interview was humility along with authenticity. the interviewer asked if she woke up everyday thinking how good her life is. She said, yes she felt lucky. But lucky to be healthy, having love, money and to some extent choices, because you need those to enjoy anything else and ended by saying most people don’t have choices. The answer was not at all contrived and sounded like just thinking aloud and on the fly. Simply refreshing.
    Let me see if I can find a video of it. Here is one, not the same interview where she just sang it with a Guitar, ….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNeksVryUcQ

  210. Big party week for the Obamas
    By Christina Wilkie – 09/12/10 05:57 PM ET

    President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama have a packed social schedule this week, with two major galas and a reception for college athletes.

    On Monday evening, the President will welcome collegiate star athletes to the White House for a reception at 5:45 p.m. The annual event, first held by former President George W. Bush, recognizes outstanding student athletes in more than a dozen sports, including field-hockey, lacrosse, and volleyball. Neither of Obama’s alma maters, Columbia University and Harvard University, made the grade.

    On Wednesday the First Couple will don black tie for the annual Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute gala, one of the more entertaining political galas of the Washington fall season. A number of entertainers are being honored with awards, including Eva Longoria Parker, five-time Grammy winner Arturo Sandoval, and musician Sheila E. Also participating in the festivities will be Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    Hopefully the Obamas get some rest Thursday or Friday, because they will be back in formalwear on Saturday night for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s (CBCF) annual Phoenix Awards dinner. The dinner will mark the culmiantion of the foundation’s 40th Annual Legislative Conference.

    Honorees at the dinner will include New Jersey State Assembly Speaker Sheila Y. Oliver, actor and humanitarian Harry Belafonte, journalist Simeon Booker, and renowned choreographer Judith Jamison.

    Washingtonians will recall that White House party-crashers Tareq and Michaele Salahi allegedly snuck into the CBCF dinner in 2009. Expect security to be extra tight this time around.

    The Washington social season unofficially begins Saturday night with the Washington National Opera’s season opening gala, and ends in early December with the Kennedy Center Honors.
    _______________

    I hope they party hearty and get it out of their systems. Hopefully, soon they will have to pay their own way as they will have just one term in the White House.

  211. NYT:

    “On Friday night, about 2,000 supporters of the [Cordoba] project gathered for a vigil near the site, saying they wanted to avoid entangling the mosque controversy and the Sept. 11 observance, according to The Associated Press.”

  212. Carol: “at this point the mosque must be moved and the opposition must prevail… it is imperative to make the statement that American sensitivity to the huge American tragedy that happened on 9/11 trumps any individual groups’ desires.
    Maybe you had to actually see the horror to feel this way….I don’t know…I can’t speak for others….only myself.”
    *************

    In other words, you think the “fight” should end by having the other guy give in.

    Your concession that “Maybe you had to actually see the horror to feel this way” prompts me to make the following remarks concerning people who saw the horror…

    I previously listed 9/11 participants that I know personally, ie

    – 3 college friends who worked at the WTC but were unharmed (1 by running down the stairs)

    – my brother who was a 1st responder

    but I forgot to add a girl of 15 attending Stuyvesant high school 3 blocks from the WTC, evacuated on foot in the smoke and dust after the 2nd building had collapsed. She suffered PTSD for years; but in September 2004, she wrote a brilliant, clear-headed paper on 9/11 for her college newspaper, showing that she had come to terms with the event.

    Unfortunately, I was unable to keep a copy of that paper, because I think it would have been pertinent to this ongoing rant that is essentially centering around “we” (= red-blooded American non-muslims) and “they” (= ‘radical’ or ‘moderate’ muslims at home or abroad), thus feeding a warlike frenzy amongst us, who don’t know much about any of this religious stuff, and not much about 9/11 either.

    In this paper, this clear-headed young woman did not mention ‘muslim’, “christian”, “jewish”, “radical” or “moderate” even once. She did, however, make a reference to the Bible, which astonished her mother (whom I was dating at the time), who had brought the girl up as an atheist. Her Biblical reference was to the walls of Jericho tumbling down, and the awe that Jericho’s inhabitants must have felt before the mysterious power of the Almighty.

    She was aided in her thinking by the mystery that exists still, surrounding 9/11, a mystery that the 9/11 Commission had tried to cover up as best it could with its white paper:

    I was in Paris on 9/11 and watched TV coverage (in bars) of the event for 5 days running. As I am a son of a mechanical engineer, I have a “feel” for mechanics and physics: the freefall collapse of the towers didn’t seem real to me. I asked people around me what they thought of this, and they just shrugged off the question.

    I wanted to call one of my cousins, who is a mechanical engineer and architect who had worked with Yamasaki on designing the WTC, the PATH station, and Battery Park; but I had to wait a week while all the transatlantic connections were cut or overloaded. When I finally reached him, I asked right out, “How did it happen?” and his response was “It’s impossible. It could only be a controlled demolition. And don’t forget WT7 – it collapsed without prior damage.” (That was the first I had heard of WT7).

    My cousin later got in touch with and helped organize the families of victims, and was part and parcel of the team who wanted questions answered about 9/11. There were many, many other questions to be raised in addition to the freefall collapse of the three towers.
    But this “9/11 Truth movement” has been trashed ever since they pressured Congress into setting up the 9/11 Commission. In that Commission, their questions were never asked, no less answered. One thing is certain to me, though: When you look at all the evidence, and the cover-up effort, 9/11 was the doing of more than a couple of crazies, muslim or not.

    It was this knowledge of the 9/11 “mystery” that helped the young woman through her PTSD and into a clear world where we don’t have to get all excited about the beliefs of this or that religion, and make believe that it was all the doing of crazy muslims.

  213. Middle East peace talks set to resume

    Clinton to meet Binyamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas in Egypt for talks amid tensions over settlements

    Monday 13 September 2010

    Middle East peace talks resume this week under the guidance of Hillary Clinton, amid growing tensions between all the parties over Jewish settlements on the West Bank.

    Clinton says this round of talks may be the last chance for peace between Israelis and Palestinians. The secretary of state and George Mitchell, the US special envoy to the region, will visit Egypt’s Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh for talks tomorrow with the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, and the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas.

    They are scheduled to move to Jerusalem for a second day of talks on Wednesday, and it is likely that Barack Obama will resume negotiations with Abbas and Netanyahu in New York next week at the UN general assembly.

    The Palestinians have warned that a renewal of Israeli construction would spell the end of the talks, which resumed recently after a 20-month hiatus. But Netanyahu said yesterday that the current building restrictions, which are due to expire in two weeks, would not remain in place, although there will still be some limits on construction.

    Netanyahu told the Tony Blair, the Middle East envoy for the quartet of the US, UN, EU and Russia, that a total freeze in construction “will not happen”. Israel will not build “tens of thousands of housing units that are in the pipeline, but we will not freeze the lives of the residents”, he said.

    Israeli leaders have refused to meet five senior European foreign ministers, including the British foreign secretary, William Hague, in Jerusalem this week, reportedly over fears they would add to pressure to extend the freeze.

    Obama said on Friday that he had urged Netanyahu to extend the partial moratorium as long as talks were making progress. He also said he had told Abbas that if he showed he was serious about negotiating, it would give Netanyahu room for manoeuvre on the settlement issue. Abbas knew “the window for creating a Palestinian state is closing”, Obama said.

    Clinton’s task, Obama said, was to get the Israeli and Palestinian leaders to “start thinking about how can they help the other succeed, as opposed to how do they figure out a way for the other to fail.”

    Clinton said there was a “certain momentum” for talks after an initial round in Washington on 2 September, which marked the first direct Israeli-Palestinian talks for nearly two years.

    At the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton was asked why those who saw little chance of reaching a settlement within Obama’s one-year deadline were wrong. “I think they’re wrong because I think that both sides and both leaders recognise that there may not ever be another chance,” she replied.

    The “last chance” notion is partly based on the knowledge that Abbas is on borrowed time politically. His electoral mandate expired in 2009 and he fears a Hamas takeover of the West Bank, which is supposed to make up the bulk of an independent Palestinian state.

    Time is a motivating factor for the Israelis, too. Some Israelis believe the longer that Israel occupies the West Bank and its growing Arab population, the more Israel’s future as a Jewish state is imperiled.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/13/middle-east-clinton-peace-talks

  214. lay your bets now. Mines on Nan having too many vodkas and phone stalking.
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    1. a well known member of congress–meaning the individual is a house hold name

    2. who has been granted repect—meaning has not necessarily earned it

    3. she–female

    4. phone calls to lobbyists–is it identity of the lobbyist or the content of her speech that is surprising?

    5. to save democrats–meaning she is a dimocrat

    I agree with you. Pelosi fits all 5 criteria. Plus it is no stretch to conclude that at this point she is desperate enough to go trolling for money and saying things she might not want the public to hear. Happily, campaign season has barely started. In the end, she will lose her position as speaker and the power base that goes along with it. She will become an object of ridicule and she will get back in spades the kind of treatment she dished out to the opposing party. In an age of populist anger no politician other than Obama so epitomizes what Cicero called the arrogance of officialdom. And no politician ever failed as badly as she did the sage advice be nice to the people on the way up because you will meet them again on the way down–Nannie Poopie. She will be the fall guy of this election in my opinion. Bad times ahead for nannie poopie. If we are lucky she will receive the same treatment as McCarthy following his fall from grace, and will drink herself into stupor as he did. In my opinion, she has done more harm to the country, and this will be evident as more details of the bill and her thug tactics begin to emerge.

  215. How can you be loyal to a political party that is not loyal to you? It takes a masochist to do that. And while there may be masochists in this world, I find it hard to believe that many of them are professional politicians. They tend to go the other way. In which case, this triage business is the kiss of death. It will beget party disloyalty and the bad blood which come out in spades after the November tsunami hits, and the post mortems begin.

  216. This is what is wrong with American media (liberal). Here is Walters interviewing Carla Bruni and it is all about gotcha questions. The other interview (can’t get a video of) I saw was so much more intellectual and it showcased Bruni the human being/the individual and more importantly she had something worthwhile to say in that..But you have to give it to Bruni for taking on Walters. I detest the way people like Walters have been elevated in life.

  217. Good morning all:Busy day for me but I continue to keep our Girl in my mind and these thoughts 24/7.

    “DRAFT HILLARY” “IMPEACH the LEECH”

    The Wizard of Odd must be stopped

    by ABM92

  218. pm317….I enjoyed the video. Barbara Wawa certainly came off as rather stuffy. Is being a “feme fatale” a bad thing? Not in my book. Made me like Bruni all the more.

  219. Well isn’t this just lovely. Bambi wants to arm another country that is determined to destroy Israel.

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    White House Prepares to Advise Congress on Saudi Weapons Deal, WSJ Says

    By Chris Peterson – Sep 12, 2010

    President Barack Obama’s administration is close to formally notifying Congress of a $60 billion arms deal for Saudi Arabia, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unidentified officials.

    The package includes selling 84 new F-15 fighters, upgrading a further 70, and the provision of 178 helicopters, including Apache gunships; defense contractors estimate the deal will support 75,000 jobs, the newspaper said.

    Talks are continuing between Saudi and U.S. officials over the possible sale of naval and missile defense equipment that could mean a further tens of billions of dollars, the WSJ reported.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-13/white-house-prepares-to-advise-congress-on-saudi-weapons-deal-wsj-says.html

  220. This is what is wrong with American media (liberal).
    ————————————————–
    You mean the attack interview? If that were all . . .

    But sticking with that topic, there is no doubt that NBC and CNN has an enemy’s list. The criteria they use in politics to select their targets (and their mascots) are well understood–white male republican politically incorrect for starters. But it can be women as well, if they attack the elites or their mascots. We saw this with Hillary and Sarah. And there are no depths to which someone like Walters will not descend. Scum of the earth.

    In the non-political world, this also takes place. You saw it clearly with Kathy Lee Gifford, and years ago in an attack interview Walters did on opera diva Anna Moffo. Ironically, Moffo later married the son of General Sarnoff who founded NBC–the network Walters works for. And I have to believe that General Sarnoff was thinking of he was thinking of someone like Walters if not Walters herself when he said competition brings out the best in products and the worst in people. Where she is concerned, Harry Reasoner was right for the wrong reasons.

    If you are interested in the tactics big media uses to select targets, launch witch hunts and destroy reputations. And they do it with the same perverse delight that little boys pull the wings off flies, I commend to your attention a book called Nail ‘Em by Eric Dezenhall who makes a good living defending the victims of media attacks of people like Babawawa.

  221. President Barack Obama’s administration is close to formally notifying Congress of a $60 billion arms deal for Saudi Arabia, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unidentified officials.
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    A down payment of his delusional 2012 campaign—or the quid pro quo for the laundered money they contributed to his 2008 campaign, or perhaps just a token of his appreciation for the letter they wrote and help they gave him getting into Harvard years ago. He is after all a politician who stays bought, but only for the highest bidder.

  222. New Poll Shows Obama Ratings Down As Mosque Controversy Lingers

    Benny Martinez Monday, September 13, 2010

    A new poll released Monday showed that the ongoing debate regarding Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s proposed mosque and cultural center two blocks from New York City’s Ground Zero is skewing the public’s opinion of President Barack Obama and how he has handled the situation.

    Nine years after the September 11 attacks, public sentiment towards Islam remains relatively low with only 38 percent of voters having favorable opinions of Islam, the poll found. Fifty percent of voters, however, perceive mainstream Islam as a peaceful religion, rather than an ideology which encourages violence to non-Muslims.

    Although the Quinnipiac University National Poll found that 70 percent of Americans believe that the Muslim group has the right to continue with building the Mosque, 63 percent of voters say it’s wrong to do so.

    Controversy over the Mosque’s construction stirred up radical opposition among some Americans. Florida Pastor Terry Jones threatened to assemble a Quran burning rally during this weekend’s 9/11 anniversary, ultimately canceling it after receiving warnings from the White House and Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan.

    The controversy has taken its toll on the public’s perception of President Barack Obama and how he has handled the mosque situation in New York. After publicly defending the mosque’s construction in last week’s press conference, the new poll shows American voters disapprove 44-31 percent of the way Obama is handling the situation.

    “The proposed mosque near Ground Zero are taking a toll on President Barack Obama’s standing with American voters,” assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute Peter Brown said. “The fact that so many Americans think the President does not share their values might worry the White House.”

    http://www.talkradionews.com/news/2010/9/13/new-poll-shows-obama-ratings-down-as-mosque-controversy-ling.html

  223. JanH
    “Well isn’t this just lovely. Bambi wants to arm another country that is determined to destroy Israel.”

    “White House Prepares to Advise Congress on Saudi Weapons Deal, WSJ Says”

    Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US and supplies Israel with oil by direct pipeline. The Israelis are good friends with them and have never been threatened by the Saudis, who never took part in the alliances against Israel. This is the main reason that Osama Bin Laden wants to overthrow the Saudi monarchy.

  224. “skewing the public’s opinion of President Barack Obama and how he has handled the situation”

    “poll shows American voters disapprove 44-31 percent of the way Obama is handling the situation”

    That is precisely the whole problem with this mosque deal – not the mosque itself, but the way o waded into the debate and can’t seem to find a way out. No leadership abilities.

  225. Tim, you mentioned Russert the other day. We are told that we should say only good things of the dead and so I shall. I cannot speak for others but I found him to be repulsive to look at, hard to listen to and a real buffoon. There was nothing graceful about the man–he was a grinder all the way, his voice modulation was terrible, he was always referring to his notes and he had an obnoxious habit of misquoting the evidence in his faux cross examination of the chosen targets. In addition, he was an Obama lover, a bitter partisan and a coward to boot. De mortimus nil nisi bonum perhaps? I just did. The whole truth would be worse.

  226. “The fact that so many Americans think the President does not share their values might worry the White House.”
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    And who pray tell gave them that impression?

  227. “Who are we?
    We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all.”

    Now that’s food for thought… Islam is not a religion! They must have really thought about it a lot to come up with a statement like that!

    Then we get, à propos these people:

    nomobama:
    “These people are not hindered by being current Muslims, and therefore, I trust their writings more than what some American Muslim doctor, cabbie, or neighbor says when it comes to Islam and its goals throughout the world.”

    That’s right, lend credence to people who have thought so much about the subject that they think Islam isn’t a religion. Really, I’d rather listen to a Muslim doctor, cabbie or neighbor, especially if they are willing to give their names and cite their backgrounds, rather than some anonymous bunch of discontents. I suspect that the only reason you prefer to listen to these apostates is that you are as ignorant as they are and they feed your own prejudices.

  228. jeswezey
    September 13th, 2010 at 11:07 am
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    Except that Saudi Arabia does not have diplomatic relations with Israel. It might be friendly with the U.S. but it also participates, very strongly, in an active economic boycott of Israel.

    As well, is Saundi Arabia not the biggest backer of Hamas?

  229. Lol, WH making excuses now, hilarious, they are having a laugh now.

    White House: Biden’s ‘Summer of Recovery’ Meant Construction, Not Jobs

    Vice President Biden wasn’t talking about jobs when called this the “summer of recovery.” He was talking about construction projects.

    That’s the explanation top White House economic adviser Austan Goolsbee gave when asked about the more than 280,000 jobs lost over the past three months.

    “The vice president was talking about the summer of recovery in reference to the Recovery Act, that you would see the creation of a series of infrastructure and other projects ramping up over the summer,” Goolsbee said on “Fox News Sunday.” “And you did see that.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/13/white-house-bidens-summer-recovery-meant-construction-jobs/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

  230. That is precisely the whole problem with this mosque deal – not the mosque itself, but the way o waded into the debate and can’t seem to find a way out. No leadership abilities
    —————————————————
    It is so much the pattern. Act 1: an emerging crises. Act II: Obama is pressed to take a position and so he does–a goofy one which he later regrets. Act III: blow back which results in decision-making paralysis, Act IV: once the danger passes Obama delivers the obligatory grand inspiring speech which amounts to nothing more than Why Can’t We All Just Get Along?

    We have seen this vaudeville skit once too often. As Shakespeare said: nothing will come of nothing.

  231. JanH
    “Israel pushes demand for recognition as ‘Jewish state’

    JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday reiterated his demand for the Palestinians to recognise Israel as a Jewish state, in remarks ahead of a second round of US-backed peace talks.

    The demand, which has been repeatedly rejected by the Palestinians, could further complicate the newly relaunched negotiations which go into a second round in Egypt on Tuesday with the participation of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    Just as we are asked to recognise the Palestinian national state… we also demand and expect the Palestinians to recognise a Jewish state,” Netanyahu said at the start of a weekly cabinet meeting.

    “This is the true foundation of peace,” he added.”

    ***********

    Abbas and Netanyahu are likely to be stuck on this for a long time. Fatah is ready to recognize Israel, but not as a Jewish state. Likud, which is Netanyahu’s political formation, wants the Jewish state, and dreams of establishing it from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.

    The Jewish state is an apartheid state. The one-third of the Israeli population that is not Jewish are second-class citizens. Many Jews in Israel are fully aware of this and would be happy to see it change, but not Likud.

  232. White House: Biden’s ‘Summer of Recovery’ Meant Construction, Not Jobs
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    Well now. There is a rock solid position for you. Thank you for setting the record straight for us. Some of us were under the mistaken impression that because the unemployment rate has risen sharply since you took office, and the poverty level has risen as well since you took office, that when you said recovery you meant jobs. Obviously, that is not your priority.

  233. wbboei:

    “White House: Biden’s ‘Summer of Recovery’ Meant Construction, Not Jobs
    ——————————–
    Well now. There is a rock solid position for you.”

    And now that we’re patching up the country’s construction, o wants $50 billion more for more construction, but won’t call it a “stimulus” because the $787 billion that preceded it didn’t stimulate anything. It’s once again insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

  234. “The Jewish state is an apartheid state.”

    With the angry and negative connotations that comes with the term “apartheid,” I will never accept that label for Israel. To draw a comparison between South Africa’s treatment of non-whites during the apartheid era and Israel’s treatment of its Arab citizens is ridiculous. Do not Arab Israelis enjoy full citizen’s rights? Are there not more than 10 Arabs serving in the Knesset? Aren’t they given free educational opportunities and unlike their neighbors do not Muslim women living in Israel receive the same and also get to vote? And when it comes to health issues, do not Arabs and Israelis share the same hospitals?

    I’m sure I read somewhere that the Arabs have their own freedom of press as well. When I visited there, road signs were bilingual. And friends of mine told me that their grand-daughter was required to learn Arabic in school.

    Every country struggles with racial prejudice, but to put Israel on the same playing field as South Africa just boggles the mind. It is another propaganda ploy by those who are determined to hate Israel no matter what.

  235. White House: Biden’s ‘Summer of Recovery’ Meant Construction, Not Jobs.
    **********

    Biden Aril 23, 2010

    “Some time in the next couple of months we’re going to be creating between 250,000 jobs a month and 500,000 jobs a month,” Biden said at a fundraiser today in Pittsburgh.

    Next month, Biden predicted, the nation’s employers will add between 100,000 to 200,000 jobs to their payrolls.”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/04/vice-president-biden-predicts-massive-job-growth-in-coming-months.html

  236. A few weeks ago Obama offered Muslims a role is space exploration. Suppose that Barack and Dinner Jacket have that liason he has been lusting for since the campaign and take a joy ride to mars. They could serenade each other just like Andy Williams and Peggy Lee did in this clip, and our least favorite Martian Goul–sbee could be their chaperone. And NBC and CNN could report yet another milestone in this historic presidency–muslims hin space. Better than a mosque at ground zero.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BC_zFbnn2s&feature=related

  237. SHV
    September 13th, 2010 at 11:52 am
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    Perfect impeachment material. Biden has prior inconsistent statements up the ying yang–second on to the Liar In Chief.

  238. Not ganging up on you Tim but Russert was an evil pawn happy to be of service to the powers that be. I considered it a blessing when his life was taken n June 14, 2008. Russert was riding high celebrating Hillary’s withdrawal from the race. It resonated with me as if there was Divine Intervention helping us by slapping down Russert hard after Hillary withdrew from the race on June 7, 2008.

  239. “It’s the economy stupid” and the political choices for the American People are “Scylla or Charybdis”

    These data are a year old:

    “One in seven Americans now living in poverty”

    “Census figures for 2009, to be released Thursday, are expected to show that the poverty rate soared last year to nearly 15 percent. One out of every seven Americans is now living below the official poverty level, the highest proportion since the 1960s. One in five American children is living in poverty”
    (snip)

    That rate would indicate that some 45 million people were living below the official poverty line in 2009. The official poverty level, an annual income of $22,000 for a family of four, grossly understates the income required for a decent life. The real number of people living in actual economic distress is much higher, probably over 100 million.
    (snip)

    The impact of the economic slump on the thinking of working people was indicated in a survey by the Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University, released September 1, which found that nearly three-quarters of all workers had either lost a job or had a relative or close friend who had lost a job. Among the unemployed workers, 86 percent had cut back their family’s spending, 63 percent had spent down retirement saving accounts, and 60 percent had been forced to borrow money from family or friends…
    (snip)

    Asked whom they trusted to manage the economy, only 23 percent chose President Obama and even fewer, 19 percent, chose his Republican opponents in Congress. Nearly half, 45 percent, trusted neither.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/pove-s13.shtml

  240. Obama’s approach to job creation can be summed up in two words: Potemkin Village. Potemkin villages or Potyomkin villages (Russian: Потёмкинские деревни) is an idiom based on a historical myth. According to the myth, there were fake settlements purportedly erected at the direction of Russian minister Grigory Potyomkin to fool Empress Catherine II during her visit to Crimea in 1787. According to this story, Potyomkin, who led the Crimean military campaign, had hollow facades of villages constructed along the desolate banks of the Dnieper River in order to impress the monarch and her travel party with the value of her new conquests, thus enhancing his standing in the empress’ eyes.

  241. public sentiment towards Islam remains relatively low with only 38 percent of voters having favorable opinions of Islam, the poll found. Fifty percent of voters, however, perceive mainstream Islam as a peaceful religion, rather than an ideology which encourages violence to non-Muslims.

    ===================

    Fifty percent is still pretty low, but at least some people are making the distincion.

  242. JanH-

    Love reading your sound rebuttals in an interesting conversation debating both sides of the Israel/Palestine situation. You have made some very solid good points, especially the apartheid comparison. That really prompted me to post this…

    I noticed jeswezy does like to push buttons and exaggerate what IS- The primary reason I stopped responding to the cat calls. Save your strength and don’t let her get to you…

  243. turndownobama
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    I’m sure there is plenty of space a few blocks away.

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    How many blocks would satisfy you?
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    a block in the middle east would be fine

  244. against [Christians] worshipping on a field housing their now-shuttered church.

    In recent months, they have thrown shoes and water bottles at the church members, interrupted sermons with chants of “Infidels!” and “Leave Now!” and dumped piles of feces on the land.

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    Maybe they didn’t want their hallowed ground insulted by the “same” people who have been bombing Muslim countries for the last 9 years.

  245. gonzotx
    September 13th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    turndownobama
    September 12th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    I’m sure there is plenty of space a few blocks away.

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    How many blocks would satisfy you?
    *******************
    a block in the middle east would be fine

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    That’s what I expected! I’ve seen that answer before. Finding a new location in Manhattan would not help: the same people would continue the same attacks.

    Trump is the only one who has named a distance (5 or 7 blocks, reports vary).

  246. JanH: “Do not Arab Israelis enjoy full citizen’s rights?”

    Voting rights, yes. Aside from that, they are not part of Israeli society.

    “Are there not more than 10 Arabs serving in the Knesset?”

    No, there are 4 in the Ta’al party.

    “Aren’t they given free educational opportunities”

    No.

    “and unlike their neighbors do not Muslim women living in Israel receive the same and also get to vote?”

    Yes, Arab women in Israel can vote.

    “And when it comes to health issues, do not Arabs and Israelis share the same hospitals?”

    No schools or hospitals in Arab ghettos.

    “I’m sure I read somewhere that the Arabs have their own freedom of press as well.”

    Yes.

    “When I visited there, road signs were bilingual. And friends of mine told me that their grand-daughter was required to learn Arabic in school.”

    Arabic being the second language in the country, it’s like Canada where French is required. Hebrew, though, is not required of the Arabs, who don’t have any schools anyway.

    “Every country struggles with racial prejudice, but to put Israel on the same playing field as South Africa just boggles the mind.”

    The main difference is that the ruling whites in South Africa were in the minority and refused the right of vote to the majority. The whites were afraid that, given the chance, the blacks would push them out “into the sea,” which is pretty much what happened in Rhodesia.

    “It is another propaganda ploy by those who are determined to hate Israel no matter what.”

    Well, I’m certainly not determined to hate Israel, nor the Palestinians. I’m just recognizing a state of affairs. And what I was saying was that Abbas’ Fatah is recognizes Israel, but not “the Jewish state”. I’m telling you why.

    You could have pointed out a two “privileges” for the Arabs: (1) They pay no taxes; (2) They do not (ie are not allowed to) serve in the military. These are the earmarks of second-class citizenry. Can you imagine, in the US for example, people not being exempted from taxation because of their ethnic background? Or people being excluded from military service because of their ethnic background? That would be racism, pure and simple.

  247. wbboei

    It is fascinating that a figure so powerful should live in such a time warp. It also explains in part the way people gave him a pass in the campaign. Anticolonialism is not something that Americans would recognize easily seeing its fellow-travelers socialism and communism instead. I say fellow travelers because they are distinguishable from anticolonialism and need not necessarily accompany it (Hong Kong). The one is a victim logic that paralyzes development and the other supports central control by a (typically corrupt) power elite that fills the vacuum left by the colonial government.

    Moreover, (I suspect) the American self-image as a nation rejects the colonialist idea seeing America as a force for good (as did the British in their time) and its (late-20th century) economic dominance as simply a commercial issue. Yet the victim meme requires that there is a oppressor and as the inheritor of the top spot the US fits the bill like a glove.

    It also explains his lack feeling for America as to embrace the one (anticolonalism) precludes the other.

  248. Mrs. Smith:
    “JanH- Love reading your sound rebuttals in an interesting conversation debating both sides of the Israel/Palestine situation. You have made some very solid good points, especially the apartheid comparison…

    I noticed jeswezy does like to push buttons and exaggerate what IS- The primary reason I stopped responding to the cat calls. Save your strength and don’t let her get to you…”

    Well, Mrs. Smith, JanH and I have been having this “interesting conversation” for several months, but you seem not to want to get involved with it aside from picking sides. I don’t know what you mean by “pushing buttons” but rest assured there is no exaggeration in my assertion that “the Jewish state” is by nature racist. The Arabs are treated differently than the Jews and are not part of Israeli society, as I detailed just above. Neither side does business with the other.

  249. Mop, Perhaps this is why the “sleeveless ONE”, entertained the Saudi’s in Spain. She could easily have gotten a huge payola back in her suitcases. The first Ladies baggage isn’t inspected you know. Payola for the arms…right in Reagan’s footsteps, alright!

  250. “Are there not more than 10 Arabs serving in the Knesset?”

    No, there are 4 in the Ta’al party.

    ————-
    You are right. I was taking my figure from a few years back. The fact remains that there have been upwards of ten representatives at different times.

    And whether I agree with you or not, I always respect your point of view.

  251. Is Bambi this thin skinned, i could well believe it.

    British Teen Banned From U.S. for Life After Sending Obscene E-Mail to Obama (well calling Bambi a prick)

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/13/british-teen-banned-life-sending-obscene-e-mail-obama/?test=latestnews

    A British teenager who sent an e-mail to the White House calling President Obama a “pr*ck” was banned from the U.S. for life, The Sun reported Monday.

    The FBI asked local cops to tell college student Luke Angel, 17, that his drunken insult was “unacceptable.”

    Angel claims he fired off a single e-mail criticizing the U.S. government after seeing a television program about the 9/11 attacks.

    He said, “I don’t remember exactly what I wrote as I was drunk. But I think I called Barack Obama a pr*ck. It was silly — the sort of thing you do when you’re a teenager and have had a few.”

    Angel, of Bedford, in central England, said it was “a bit extreme” for the FBI to act.

    “The police came and took my picture and told me I was banned from America forever. I don’t really care but my parents aren’t very happy,” he said.

    A Bedford Police spokesman confirmed they had spoken to Angel about the e-mail. Officers will take no criminal action.

    Joanne Ferreira, of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, said there are about 60 reasons a person can be barred from visiting America.

    She said, “We are prohibited from discussing specific cases.”

  252. turndownobama
    September 13th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
    public sentiment towards Islam remains relatively low with only 38 percent of voters having favorable opinions of Islam, the poll found. Fifty percent of voters, however, perceive mainstream Islam as a peaceful religion, rather than an ideology which encourages violence to non-Muslims.

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    Fifty percent is still pretty low, but at least some people are making the distincion.

    They are making a distinction based on ignorance.

  253. Kay
    September 13th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
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    Very perceptive on your part and on the part of the writer Dinesh D’Souza. Frankly, this piece of the puzzle did not occur to me. Perhaps if I had read his book as Henry inquired it would have. Then again maybe not. But it sure does make sense. And the more this explanation gains currency, the more likely that the elites will cut him loose and cast him adrift.

    I will say it again for the hundredth time. The people who gave this warped man such power are ultimately to blame. That includes big media, the leadership of the DNC and the man who left a young girl to die in a cold winter river while he swam safely to shore and went forward with his life as if nothing happened. I hope St. Peter cannot be bribed. He deserves to go in the other direction. Also, the majority of the public is comatose to have elected Obama in the first place. It is an American Tragedy. We could have had Hillary.

  254. Kay–I have emailed that article to several people. It needs to go viral now before the elections, so people know what they are supporting when they vote for dims. There are so many other things this theory explains beyond what the author discusses, including but not limited to his instinctive refusal to salute the flag, wear the flag pin, and his need to create the Obama seal and put that cretan logo on the tail of his plane plus that citizen of the world blather. I guess that is obvious.

  255. Moon, If he banned that teen from the USA for that, you know he has all of our IP address being watched, LOL!

    He doesn’t have a thing to worry about from me, I can’t bring myself to hurt a fly…but I do however call him obscene names quiet routinely, LOL!

    He needs to grow up/man up or something, he’s acting like the class tattle-tale!

  256. wbboei, I wish you would read jbjd’s “a coup through and through,1-3. I would like to file against the Texas chairman Boyd Richey to the Texas Bar Association, but I would need help writing it.

  257. pm317 – If you want a good interview of Carla Bruni, showing her thoughtful “intellectual” side, there is a YouTube “Carla Bruni Sarkozy Interview Libération” video that is a little dated and it’s also in French; but even if you don’t understand French you can watch and “feel” her think. She’s utterly oblivious to the show biz aspect of the video, a little like Bobby Kennedy.

  258. Is this turning into a Carla Bruni fansite? 🙂

    We know Michelle hates her, or at least has scowled at her – so we like Carla too. 🙂

  259. moononpluto
    September 11th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    EPIC FAILURE

    US poverty on track to post record gain in 2009 (the Obama economy)

    WASHINGTON – The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama’s watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.
    &&&&&

    Wait, wait, that headline must be WRONG!!!

    Obama was “swept into office” because unlike McCain, he would care about the little guy, narrow the wealth gap, create jobs, and make sure no one was left behind….

    Oh shoot, never mind.

  260. Oh yeah!

    I just pulled up the map of 2206 Central Avenue and I remember the area well. just south of 495, the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel, it was a nasty place when i was teaching blocks away at Nicholas Copernicus School.

    The Star Ledger has all the details. They have some good reporters. I know many of them.

    Slumlord. What s surprise. And evidently Mr. and Mrs. Daisy live in the much nicer North Bergen area.

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